[00:39] <bradm> is there a list of variables we can use in a maas preseed somewhere?  I know we're using $OUTPUT_FSTAB, basically I want the equivalent for the path to where its mounted.
[00:46] <bradm> ah, or I could just use a curtin in-target command in the preseed, that may have to do it
[09:09] <caribou> Hi, is there a known issue with maas 1.5 that would keep my enlisted VM to get commissionned ?
[09:10] <caribou> tftp kicks in correctly the first time, then when I try to commission the VM, virsh starts it but the second TFTP never gets through
[09:12] <caribou> btw, the maas server DO get the TFTP req but maas never acts on it
[09:16] <jtv> caribou: doesn't ring a bell for me.  :/
[09:17] <caribou> jtv: k, thanks. I'll try with maas 1.7
[09:17] <jtv> So the TFTP client on the virtual node never gets the file it tries to download?
[09:17] <caribou> jtv: right
[09:17] <jtv> And "the second TFTP" is the second file it requests on its commissioning boot?  Or do you just mean the second boot?
[09:17] <caribou> jtv: I looked at all the logs in /var/log/maas & didn't see anything obvious
[09:18] <caribou> jtv: no, that's when I hit "commissionning" in the MAAS UI
[09:18] <caribou> jtv: the virsh start works fine & the VM comes to life, but the TFTP request never completes
[09:18] <jtv> It should make several TFTP requests, that's why I'd like to make sure I understand.
[09:19] <caribou> jtv: I don't want to waste your time on this; let see what I get from maas 1.7
[09:19] <jtv> OK.
[09:22] <caribou> jtv: the maas 1.7 is in the cloud-archive:tools PPA right ?
[09:23] <jtv> I don't know about the cloud-archive PPA; we use the ones on https://launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers ourselves.
[09:24] <caribou> jtv: well, cloud-archive is not supported on trusty anyway
[09:24] <caribou> ok I'll look there
[11:36] <rvba> allenap: could you please have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/fix-power-query/+merge/235442 ?
[11:43] <gmb> rvba, allenap: Can one of you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/prob-mscm-power-params-testcase/+merge/235444 for me?
[11:45] <rvba> gmb: approved (but I think you need to update the test, see my comment inline.)
[11:45] <gmb> rvba: Noted; good point. Thanks.
[12:46] <allenap> rvba: Sorry, I was away.
[13:17] <gmb> allenap: Did you get chance to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/add-poweraction-registry/ at all?
[13:19] <allenap> gmb: A little. Do you want to talk about it?
[13:20] <allenap> gmb: I can do an in-progress review if you want?
[13:24] <gmb> allenap: An in-progress review would be great, thanks.
[13:24] <gmb> (Just catching up on emails 'n stuff)
[13:24] <gmb> allenap: I'll be happy to talk properly later on, though.
[13:26] <allenap> gmb: Okeydoke.
[13:50] <rvba> Hi roaksoax, I'm testing the daily PPA and it seems we have a permission problem with the new maas-proxy service: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8403372/
[13:58] <caribou> j/9
[14:13] <rvba> allenap: you available for a review?
[14:13] <rvba> allenap: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/fix-power-query-error/+merge/235462
[14:30] <allenap> rvba: On it.
[14:30] <rvba> Ta
[16:13] <rvba> gmb: Oh, and since I know you're a Javascript (recovering) addict: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/check-power-state/+merge/235470
[16:24] <gmb> rvba: Thanks (!)
[16:24] <gmb> :)


[00:23] <chrisccoulson> i'd best get all my last minute uploads done before the weekend ;)
[00:27]  * micahg is planning on upload stuff sat night and sunday (although nothing for main ATM)
[00:27]  * micahg needs to look at gecko-mediaplayer
[00:29] <chrisccoulson> oh, what do you need to do for that?
[15:23] <c2tarun> why is it that new version firefox is not in maverick and just in natty?
[15:24] <c2tarun> hi vish :) seeing you after a long time. hope you remember me. :P
[17:01] <vish> c2tarun: hey
[17:01] <c2tarun> vish: hi :)
[17:02] <vish> c2tarun: do you get the new version on gnome on Maverick? its the same way with FF ;)
[17:02] <vish> *of gnome
[17:02] <c2tarun> vish: actually I switched to kubuntu :( its seems cool :) plus I am also trying to get kubuntu membership
[17:03] <vish> c2tarun: cool!
[17:03] <vish> err.. kool!
[17:04] <c2tarun> vish: yup :P :)
[21:48] <BUGabundo> evening
[23:44]  * BUGabundo slaps who ever made the migration scripts for ff 4.2
[23:46] <BUGabundo> drwx------ 1 bugabundo bugabundo 136 2011-03-19 21:13 firefox/
[23:46] <BUGabundo> drwx------ 1 bugabundo bugabundo  90 2011-03-19 21:14 firefox-4.0/
[23:46] <BUGabundo> drwxrwxrwx 1 bugabundo bugabundo  60 2010-08-28 19:26 firefox-old/
[23:46] <BUGabundo> drwx------ 1 bugabundo bugabundo 136 2011-03-19 21:13 firefox-trunk/
[23:46] <BUGabundo> I'm lost among all this versions
[23:46] <BUGabundo> and can't start my regular profile on ff 4.2
[23:48] <BUGabundo> it seems 4.2 is a migration of an old 3.6 ?!
[23:58]  * BUGabundo migrates the *correct* profile


[08:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:28] <MooDoo> morning
[09:37]  * popey disappears while he fixes his network.
[18:01] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see you tomorrow! :)


[23:33] <sam\> i am looking for a good linux server distro, or should i just go with good old ubuntu server?
[23:33] <filgy> rickoParak: you would think it is better being written specifically for linux.. but who knows.. it doesn't sound like an ubuntu issue though so much as a wireless issue in general
[23:33] <dare> ubuntu server!
[23:34] <sam\> looks like its that then :p
[23:34] <sam\> i was thinking about trying freebsd :/
[23:34] <dare> i've run it for the past year
[23:34] <dare> and still runs fast and stable
[23:34] <sam\> what you mainly use it for m8?
[23:34] <dare> just a little slow now logging into ssh
[23:34] <dare> web server, samba, irc services
[23:35] <sam\> i want to setup samba, so i could see my hard drives on ubuntu server i already have
[23:35] <sam\> on this mac :/
[23:35] <sam\> but i gave up after a few hours eh
[23:35] <Ose_> what permission do I need to grant myself to view files/folders currentøy 'unreadable'?
[23:35] <HighLordObsi> fudge
[23:35] <Acs> dare you have an irc server in your ubuntu server?
[23:35] <Pinon> i need help with firefox at ubuntu. it no longer work properly, web sites reports i use an out-dated version of Internett Explorer
[23:35] <rickoParak> filgy:  but i'm using ubuntu, and i'm asking that if i install linux-backport-module help to solve this problem.... :)
[23:35] <sam\> znc is nice
[23:36] <VCoolio> donnybrasco: drag and drop the .tar.gz in the appearance window?
[23:37] <CradLeRcker> can anyone help verfiy if ive reinstalled wine properly?
[23:37] <CradLeRcker> i just want to know what version i have but the about tab doesnt display that
[23:37] <rickoParak> filgy: what do you think?
[23:37] <donnybrasco> vcoolio: thanks!!
[23:37] <trism> CradLeRcker: wine --version
[23:38] <CradLeRcker> thanks
[23:38] <ejv> sam\: gentoo
[23:39] <filgy> rickoParak: i dunno... did it work fine for you with a previous version of ubuntu?
[23:39] <rickoParak> hi, i'm having trouble with my wlan card, it has poor connectivity, and sometime it hardly detect the ap. the chip is atheros ar928x, using madwifi ath9x. will installing linux-backport-modules help?
[23:40] <spO> files in my root directory are encrypted? what handles that?
[23:40] <dretchswatter> rickoParak, are you sure that it's your OS and not the card?
[23:40] <filgy> rickoParak: if there is a new version of the driver in the backports then i would give it a try
[23:41] <rickoParak> filgy: ok, i'll try, wish me luck :)
[23:41] <filgy> rickoParak: otherwise i doubt it will make a difference
[23:42] <animesoup> can anyone help me out as to getting java/flash workin in Opera :P
[23:42] <rickoParak> dretchswatter: no, nothing wrong with the OS, i guess. i'm sure it's the driver
[23:42] <zip> animesoup, re-load them both....flash first
[23:43] <animesoup> driver zip?
[23:43] <arajabat> Hi! Im having problems installing a Ubuntu from a SD card. I can install and I can enter using the live version, but it dont boot when installed. I think that the Linux get confused with the sd card. What can I do
[23:43] <windwhinny> animesoup: apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[23:43] <zip> http://www.sun.com , and adobe.com
[23:43] <animesoup> gotcha'
[23:43] <zip> get the deb file for flash.....
[23:43] <filgy> rickoParak: try the backport if it has a newer driver... if that doesn't work and the wifi card works fine in windows then i would try ndiswrapper if possible
[23:43] <animesoup> thanks
[23:43] <hagisbasheruk> anyone know of a onscreen keyboard package for a tablet pc as i just stuck ubuntu jaunty on RM Tablet PC
[23:43] <zip> 8.04....its fine...v10
[23:44] <dretchswatter> rickoParak, okay, just making sure, if the driver doesn't work out, I;ve always used tinfoil and a smal bowl to make a makeshift dish to get much better recetion
[23:44] <dretchswatter> hagisbasheruk, I think there's a setting in ubuntu under accesibility
[23:44] <windwhinny> arajabat: where did you installed in? the SD card?
[23:44] <rickoParak> filgy: ok, i'll do that... thanks
[23:45] <hagisbasheruk> okay dretchswatter i'll look
[23:45] <arajabat> windwhinny: no, in the HD, using all the HD
[23:45] <filgy> rickoParak: np
[23:46] <spO> are files in my root directory encrypted?
[23:46] <windwhinny> arajabat, did you set the BOIS to boot from HD?
[23:46] <arajabat> windwhinny: yes
[23:46] <windwhinny> arajabat, and then? what happend?
[23:46] <audigy5x> my first time in here...is there a chat channel for backtrack
[23:47] <arajabat> windwhinny: It start to open, I can see the Ubuntu logo, but just get dark the screen and nothing happens anymore
[23:47] <dretchswatter> arajabat, You'll probably need to either update your bios or use a setting in the bios to set your harddrive as the main MD
[23:47] <rickoParak> dretchswatter: yeah, sounds like a good idea... but i haven't got to assemble one... some other time i think... thanks man... :)
[23:47] <dretchswatter> arajabat, Also, try booting up w/o the SD card in
[23:47] <arajabat> dretchswatter: my notebook is very new, I think is the opposite, the ubuntu dont have drivers to my notebook
[23:48] <dretchswatter> arajabat, I doubt that, is it a net book?
[23:48] <animesoup> err
[23:48] <arajabat> acer 3810tz
[23:48] <animesoup> zip mind if I PM you
[23:48] <windwhinny> arajabat, you can try ALT+F1 ,see what happend with the system ,and google it
[23:49] <arajabat> alt f1 doesnt work in the boot
[23:49] <animesoup> How do you get flash specifically working for Opera 9.64?
[23:49] <animesoup> It works for firefox
[23:49] <audigy5x> sure does
[23:49] <windwhinny> arajabat, CTRL+ALT+F1
[23:49] <arajabat> windwhinny: Yes, do not work
[23:50] <windwhinny> arajabat, ....
[23:50] <arajabat> and If I do it now starte to flash
[23:50] <dretchswatter> arajabat, try booting up w/o the SD card in
[23:51] <Fr0stify> fack
[23:51] <arajabat> dretchswatter: what means w/o
[23:51] <windwhinny> arajabat，opera will search the plugins dir of firefox
[23:51] <dretchswatter> arajabat, with out, sorry for the lingo
[23:51] <CradLeRcker> I have a problem with steam and wine. When i open steam in wine it fails to open properly and crashes. I havnt updated to the latest version of wine, but thats because when i was in the latest version, i couldnt play team fortress 2.
[23:51] <corrupt_glxgears> hello =) my issue is just what it says, glxgears and any other OpenGL displays corrupt gfx on the old pc. direct rendering=yes
[23:51] <arajabat> ok, thank you I will try again
[23:52] <dretchswatter> CradLeRcker, Try going into wine settings and setting it to a "full desktop display" or soemthing similar so that there is a fake windows desktop, that may fix it
[23:53] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. steam and wine work here.. but i dont play any games with it..
[23:54] <Dr_Willis> steam is a little flakey in ways with wine however.
[23:54] <seanthegeek> I've done a fresh quick install of LTSP but TFTP says file can not be found. can someone help?
[23:54] <MikeChelen> Dr_Willis, hl2 and css play alright
[23:54] <zip> dretchswatter, he could set up a virtual display in VM....on another desktop couldnt he?
[23:55] <dretchswatter> zip he could, but I know nothing about that
[23:55] <Jkessler> Can someone recommend a good Wireless-n draft 2.0 pci card for Ubuntu 9.04 that works out of the box?
[23:55] <Dr_Willis> MikeChelen:  i dont play the games much any more. : I do know that Port Royal2 dont work with wine/steam for me.
[23:55] <dretchswatter> zip, so I won't suggest something I don't know about
[23:55] <corrupt_glxgears> I am loving how far Linux has come on my other pc's gfx card
[23:55] <corrupt_glxgears> can run ffxi with it
[23:55] <zip> dretchswatter, then I dont either :)
[23:56] <zip> i do........but not enough to walk someone through it...
[23:56] <Kingsy101> has anyone had it where they have had ubuntu 8.10 installed and it works fine. and as soon as they install 9.04, (upgrade, and re-start) it comes up with an error on boot? a long trace?
[23:57] <Kingsy101> it seems as tho ubuntu 9.04 isnt compatible with my system or something.. which is just crazy
[23:57] <corrupt_glxgears> 9.04 works fine in all cases for me...but they are all clean installs =( Came back to Ubuntu from another distro
[23:57] <zip> syntax...u know a guy named shdowboxn.....from unet
[23:58] <syntax> i never heard of him
[23:58] <Dr_Willis> Kingsy101:  it may be safer to do a 'clean install' of 9.04 not a upgrade
[23:58] <Kingsy101> yea you see I tried to install 9.04 from a clean install but it came up with the same trace
[23:58] <MikeChelen> Dr_Willis, thats too bad, there is a list of some games that work at http://appdb.winehq.org
[23:58] <roadfish> is there a Python package that will manipulate/split animated gifs?
[23:58] <zip> different syntax then
[23:58] <windwhinny> Kingsy101,you can try suse or fedora, not only ubuntu
[23:58] <Kingsy101> Dr_Willis - I did, it either hung before the installation or came up with the same trace
[23:58] <seanthegeek> Kingsy101: i had this issue with a laptop
[23:58] <corrupt_glxgears> did you try safe gfx mode? solved my friend's issue
[23:59] <Kingsy101> seanthegeek - what did you do?
[23:59] <seanthegeek> Kingsy101 i  think its the kernel, i cant use any newer distros
[23:59] <Kingsy101> corrupt_glxgears - what do you mean? always use safe graphics mode? all of the time?
[23:59] <Kingsy101> seanthegeek - so you are suck with 8.10 ?
[23:59] <seanthegeek> i stuck with 8.10
[23:59] <Kingsy101> man o man that sucks


[00:01] <Unit193> xkill makes me feel better (But then I have to open it again...)
[00:02] <Unit193> So I'm going to have to download a bunch of files I don't want just to get the ones I do.... Great!
[00:17] <paultag> canthus13: goddamn right
[00:17] <paultag> canthus13: they effing rocked
[00:18] <paultag> 2700 drinks
[00:19] <paultag> in like 3 hours
[00:19] <paultag> BRB
[00:20]  * Cheri703 is back home now...
[00:23] <Cheri703> Unit193: I'm going to be going to OLF
[00:23] <Cheri703> one way or another
[00:23] <Cheri703> so you can probably carpool (if you are ok with being there whatever hours I am
[00:23] <Cheri703> )
[00:24] <Unit193> Would you go up every day?
[00:24] <Cheri703> probably
[00:25] <Cheri703> o.O for some reason my desktop is black and white...like everything...
[00:25] <Cheri703> to the googles!
[00:27] <Cheri703> cable was knocked loose :)
[00:33] <canthus13> Heh.
[00:41] <skrappjaw_> I cant remember who it was that asked about blackberry and syncing music but Banshee works fine for my 8330.
[00:42] <Cheri703> hehe http://theoatmeal.com/comics/rapture
[00:44] <canthus13> Cheri703: Heh.
[00:49] <dmcglone1> happy friday all
[00:50] <dmcglone1> The clocks ticking, I just wanna say I love you all and I'll see everybody in "Ubuntu heaven" ;-)
[00:52] <canthus13> dmcglone1: if you go, I'm looting your place.
[00:53] <Unit193> Why wait?
[00:53] <dmcglone1> good luck finding it after I burn it down
[00:53] <dmcglone1> Unit193: he'll wait out of courtesy.. LOL
[00:53] <canthus13> Unit193: Guess I shouldn't, now that he's threatening to burn it down.
[00:55] <dmcglone1> canthus13: I already planned on doing that, I want to go to heaven Debt Free
[00:55] <dmcglone1> LOL
[00:57] <dmcglone1> anyone watch pawn shop wars?
[00:57] <canthus13> no.
[00:58]  * canthus13 watches pawnstars.
[00:59] <dmcglone1> canthus13: thats it
[00:59] <dmcglone1> may bad
[01:03] <Unit193> http://www.motifake.com/index.php?start=134922
[01:03] <Unit193> canthus13: http://www.motifake.com/index.php?start=134753
[01:05] <canthus13> heh.
[01:07] <Unit193> You were the one that didn't like her, correct?
[01:07] <canthus13> yup.
[01:07] <Cheri703> Unit193: the ONE?
[01:07] <Cheri703> more like "you were one of the<PHONE_NUMBER>398 people who didn't like her, right?"
[01:07] <Unit193> Doesn't she have 2 songs?
[01:08]  * Cheri703 neither knows nor cares
[01:08] <Unit193> That number is too high...
[01:09] <canthus13> 2.3 trillion people?
[01:09] <Cheri703> *shrug* I dunno
[01:09] <dmcglone1> When the End of the World Arrives, How Will the Media Report It?
[01:09]  * Cheri703 doesn't care
[01:09] <dmcglone1> USA Today: WE'RE DEAD
[01:09] <dmcglone1> Microsoft Systems Journal: APPLE LOSES MARKET SHARE
[01:09] <dmcglone1> Victoria's Secret Catalog: OUR FINAL SALE
[01:10] <dmcglone1> Sports Illustrated: GAME OVER
[01:10] <dmcglone1> Rolling Stone: THE GRATEFUL DEAD REUNION TOUR
[01:15] <dmcglone1> http://www.the-joke-box.com/detailed/980.html
[02:33] <ronnoc> NASA: The Final Countdown
[02:33] <ronnoc> Hi all!
[02:38] <Cheri703> o/
[02:39] <Unit193> Not too fond of today...
[02:40] <Cheri703> oh?
[02:41] <ronnoc> Hey Cheri703, Unit193
[02:41]  * Cheri703 is catching up on chuck episodes
[02:43]  * ronnoc was playing Minecraft for the last hour or so
[02:43]  * Unit193 has never opened Minecraft
[02:43] <ronnoc> Don't...it's too addictive
[02:44]  * canthus13 full of blah. :/
[02:44] <canthus13> and, of course, blargh.
[02:44] <canthus13> Unit193: It's boooooring.
[02:47] <ronnoc> canthus13: Have you played it in multi-player? Or watched any Youtube tutorials on it? Or listened to The Shaft podcast? If yes, then you can have your opinion :p
[02:47] <canthus13> ronnoc: It's boring.
[02:48] <canthus13> ronnoc: I've messed with it, watched videos, tried to get into it... It just bores me to tears.
[02:48]  * canthus13 would rather count files in /proc.
[02:48] <Unit193> Grrrr....
[02:49] <ronnoc> hahaha
[02:50]  * Cheri703 wants nerdy female friends :(
[02:50] <canthus13> Cheri703: Heh. my wife is semi-nerdy.
[02:50] <ronnoc> to each their own, right? I was just talking to Fab from Linux Outlaws. He's hopelessly addicted.
[02:50] <ronnoc> Cheri703: Lots of nerdy women play Minecraft :)
[02:50] <Cheri703> I got to hang out with awesome people at UDS and now back home, my friends look at me alternately like I'm speaking in tongues or like I'm a wizard :/
[02:50] <Cheri703> meh @ minecraft
[02:50] <Cheri703> I poked at it once or twice and went *shrug* meh
[02:51] <Cheri703> canthus13: send her to mansfield to hang out with me
[02:51] <Cheri703> nerdy friends in general would be ok, like hanging out with people
[02:51] <ronnoc> Cheri703: it's like realizing that you love Linux. It's an epiphany that just has to happen :)
[02:51] <ronnoc> but I know what you mean - felt that way after a week in SD for Camp KDE :/
[02:52] <canthus13> South Dakota?
[02:52] <canthus13> Or San Diego...
[02:52] <ronnoc> San Diego...sorry for my laziness
[02:52] <canthus13> and shouldn't that be 'Kamp KDE'?
[02:52] <Cheri703> we don't have much of a social life :/  only one couple we're really friends with :/ need more friends in general, but particularly nerdy folks :)
[02:52] <ronnoc> I don't like using all the "K" thnigs
[02:52] <canthus13> ronnoc: that's part of the reason I hate KDE.
[02:53] <ronnoc> hate? lol ouch
[02:53] <ronnoc> Cheri703: I hear ya. It's touch being from this geographjical area sometimes
[02:53] <ronnoc> *tough
[02:53] <canthus13> ronnoc: It feels awkward, the defaults aren't exactly sane...
[02:54] <Unit193> canthus13: Did Gangsta show up in #ubuntu ?
[02:54] <canthus13> Unit193: Who?
[02:54] <Unit193> canthus13: Gangsta
[02:54]  * canthus13 hasn't paid much attention to #ubuntu in days...
[02:55] <Unit193> He called !ops and !staff in #lubuntu and #xubuntu (Only worked in #xubuntu where he got banned)
[02:55] <Cheri703> I'm good at superficial chatting with people, but I find it difficult to make close friends :/ and we don't exactly get out much these days, so it's hard to meet people
[02:55] <ronnoc> Cheri703: I'll help you, as loco council member, to get more nerdy women! ... that might not have sounded right, but hey
[02:55] <Cheri703> hehe
[02:56] <canthus13> ronnoc: ...I think she was wishing for it to rain men the other day...
[02:56] <canthus13> then again, nothing wrong with equal-opportunity. :)
[02:56] <ronnoc> I'm not going there.... :p
[02:56] <canthus13> Heh.
[02:56] <ronnoc> though after another glass of wine I might
[02:57]  * canthus13 wonders what to listen to.... :/
[02:58] <Cheri703> listen to your wife!
[02:58] <ronnoc> canthus13: Well you don't like KDE or Minecraft...the last thing I'd do is recommend music to you! lol
[02:58] <ronnoc> and what she said
[02:59] <dmcglone1> Cheri703: that sounds sexist ;-)
[02:59] <Cheri703> nah, it's just generally good advice, for anyone
[02:59] <Cheri703> happy wife, happy life
[02:59] <Cheri703> :D
[02:59] <canthus13> Cheri703: Heh. She's buried in her laptop.
[02:59] <Cheri703> just in general, not just right now :)
[02:59]  * canthus13 puts on Metallica, Papa Roach.
[02:59] <ronnoc> canthus13: Metallica \m/
[02:59] <Cheri703> meh @ metallica
[03:00]  * Cheri703 is meh'ing a lot tonight
[03:00] <ronnoc> Metallica <--- usually not "wife approved" lol
[03:00] <canthus13> Heh.
[03:00] <ronnoc> at least my ex didn't like them
[03:00] <dmcglone1> Metallica runs deep in this household
[03:00] <Cheri703> the first date husband and I had was Warped Tour 2005 :)
[03:01] <dmcglone1> even my kids jam to Metallica
[03:01] <canthus13> Old school metallica... Master of Puppets.
[03:01] <ronnoc> and all my friend's wives, moms, cousins, aunts, etc
[03:01] <dmcglone1> thats right canthus13
[03:01] <ronnoc> Cheri703: Smile :)
[03:01] <Cheri703> I invited him :)
[03:02]  * dmcglone1 has seen Metallica 8 times
[03:02] <canthus13> I haven't seen them since they toured with Guns 'n' Roses in the 80's.
[03:02]  * dmcglone1 has to take a piss
[03:02] <Cheri703> get a bottle
[03:02] <ronnoc> lol
[03:02] <dmcglone1> LOL
[03:02] <ronnoc> wth
[03:02] <ronnoc> :D
[03:03] <ronnoc> Cheri703: <-- apparently moonlights as a Mexican truck driver
[03:04] <canthus13> Heh.
[03:04]  * dmcglone1 sighs
[03:04]  * Cheri703 was in drumline in high school, about 4 girls, 30+ guys...
[03:04] <dmcglone1> That was a good movie. Drumline that is
[03:04] <Cheri703> so that type of stuff doesn't phase me
[03:05]  * ronnoc thinks drummers must be urinary-challenged individuals
[03:05] <canthus13> Cheri703: I had several friends with the Phantom Regiment.
[03:05] <Cheri703> no, they were just gross boys :)
[03:05] <Cheri703> that's cool
[03:05] <dmcglone1> ronnoc they did a lot of beating in their days ;-)
[03:05]  * canthus13 played sax, couldn't march drum corps. :(
[03:06] <ronnoc> lol. didn't we all, my friend
[03:06] <dmcglone1> when I was younger I had to march in a baton and drum corp.
[03:07] <dmcglone1> both my sisters twirled baton
[03:07] <dmcglone1> ronnoc: Yup.. LMAO
[03:07] <dmcglone1> my extra curricular activities revolved around my sisters :-/
[03:08] <ronnoc> Cheri703: what's the Phantom Regiment?
[03:08] <Cheri703> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Phantom_Regiment
[03:08]  * dmcglone1 is going to get midnight snack of cereal :-)
[03:08] <Cheri703> DCI is awesome
[03:08] <Cheri703> canthus13: have you ever watched Blast?
[03:09] <canthus13> Nope.
[03:10] <canthus13> dmcglone1: ...That sounds really awful.
[03:10] <dmcglone1> what my childhood torture or the cereal?
[03:10] <dmcglone1> LOL
[03:10] <Cheri703> canthus13: basically drum/bugle corps on stage: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Blast!_%28musical%29
[03:10]  * Cheri703 has a dvd of it
[03:11] <canthus13> Cheri703: Ah. Cool.
[03:11] <ronnoc> Cheri703: Thx for the link. That's pretty cool.
[03:11] <Cheri703> it's pretty sweet
[03:11]  * Cheri703 saw it live
[03:12] <dmcglone1> I've seen some pretty amazing drummers
[03:12] <dmcglone1> I once seen a drummer with no arms
[03:12] <dmcglone1> and he rocked them drums
[03:12] <dmcglone1> no arms from the elbow down
[03:15] <dmcglone1> Dang, this room and go from screamin' to silence in .1 second, it's gotta be a record
[03:15] <canthus13> dmcglone1: It's all you, man...
[03:16] <dmcglone1> Ah shux I kinda figured :-/
[03:16]  * Cheri703 is kinda out of it all of a sudden
[03:16] <Cheri703> I cleaned up my living room today!
[03:16] <Cheri703> and did a bunch of other stuff
[03:16] <Cheri703> today was a busy/productive day
[03:16] <dmcglone1> Cheri703: are you sure you were ever "in it"? ;-)
[03:16]  * canthus13 needs to clean.
[03:17] <Cheri703> have to transfer vhs to computer this weekend (several home movie tapes from a client), also redo a spreadsheet for another client
[03:17] <canthus13> ...but that means dragging myself off the couch.
[03:17] <dmcglone1> I don't need to clean, thats what I got a wife for ;-)
[03:17] <Cheri703> canthus13: I just did a little bit at a time and took lots of breaks :)
[03:17] <canthus13> Cheri703: I can't work like that.. Once I start, I don't stop 'til I'm done.
[03:17] <Cheri703> dmcglone1: ------____------
[03:17] <Cheri703> I do sometimes
[03:17] <Cheri703> it varies
[03:18] <dmcglone1> canthus13: I am the same way
[03:18] <dmcglone1> if it takes me all night, I'll work at it till it's completly done
[03:18] <dmcglone1> but there are drawbacks to that type of behavior
[03:19] <dmcglone1> if your building a house, Um well after a while you start cutting corners, and the finish product is a lopsided house
[03:20] <canthus13> Heh.
[03:20] <canthus13> You live in a crooked house?
[03:21] <dmcglone1> depends on which person your referring to.. HAHA
[03:22] <Unit193> Bloody, idiotic computers....
[03:22] <dmcglone1> Huh? when did computers aquire blood?
[03:22] <ronnoc> heh
[03:23] <Unit193> RDP does NOT work in Ubuntu correctly....
[03:24]  * Unit193 just opened a few (100?) emails....
[03:24] <dmcglone1> Unit193: it works over here
[03:25] <dmcglone1> I use it to keep tabs on what my kids are doing on the computer in the other room :-)
[03:25] <Unit193> dmcglone1: .... RDP?
[03:25] <dmcglone1> yeah, I use it with Remote Desktop
[03:26] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Are they using Windows? Does it kick them off when you connect? No? You're not using RDP...
[03:26] <dmcglone1> Unit193: my bad, I'm using vNC
[03:26] <Unit193> VNC works better...
[03:27] <dmcglone1> ditch RDP and use VNC
[03:27]  * Unit193 is just a little ticked today...
[03:28] <dmcglone1> drink a beer Unit193
[03:28] <dmcglone1> :-)
[03:28]  * dmcglone1 throws Unit193 a samual adams
[03:31] <ronnoc> good choice. Yuengling here  tonight
[03:33]  * Unit193 doesn't like beer, trades for Jack Daniel's
[03:33] <dmcglone1> domestic beer rocks
[03:33] <dmcglone1> I like Jim Beam better than Jack
[03:34] <dmcglone1> My next best is straight Vodka
[03:34] <Unit193> I don't really have Whiskey
[03:34] <Cheri703> Unit193 is too young
[03:35] <Unit193> Cheri703: Not if you're with a parent
[03:35] <Unit193> +at home
[03:35] <Cheri703> unless ohio has laws I don't know about, then...technically still not supposed to have it
[03:35] <dmcglone1> how old are you Unit193?
[03:36] <Unit193> PM
[03:36] <dmcglone1> Correct Cheri70in3. if an adult including parents gives a minor alcohol it's contributing to a minor
[03:37] <ronnoc> unless they live in Holland
[03:37] <ronnoc> and maybe Manatoba
[03:37]  * Cheri703 doesn't drink...not too young, just don't wanna :)
[03:38] <canthus13> Heh. In texas, you can drink under 21, if your spouse is over 21.
[03:39] <ronnoc> does she have to be with you?
[03:39] <canthus13> yes.
[03:40] <dmcglone1> Cheri703: I don't drink much at all either
[03:40] <dmcglone1> every once in a blue moon, I have one
[03:40]  * canthus13 has had 4 beers and some champagne in the last year...
[03:40] <canthus13> God... we're boring.
[03:41] <dmcglone1> canthus13: nah just smart :-)
[03:41] <dmcglone1> I grew up with an alcoholic step dad, I will not become one
[03:41] <dmcglone1> :-)
[03:42] <dmcglone1> and thats my vow to my family
[03:42] <dmcglone1> LOL
[03:42] <dmcglone1> Ahhhh piss on that, lets drink
[03:42] <canthus13> dmcglone1: Totally awesome.
[03:42] <dmcglone1> LOL
[03:42] <canthus13> ...meant the not becoming an alcoholic part.
[03:42] <dmcglone1> thats true
[03:43]  * canthus13 never could get the hang of drinking every weekend.  Hangovers aren't worth it. :/
[03:43] <dmcglone1> heh, I've never had a hangover
[03:43] <ronnoc> dmcglone1: I'm causually doing my part here
[03:43] <dmcglone1> and I've drank firewater till I passed out and got up at 4 am the next day feeling like a million bucks
[03:44] <dmcglone1> I could have run a marathon that day
[03:44] <dmcglone1> I passed out in my back yard and my neighbors who by the way I only knew for about 3 months had to put me in bed!
[03:45] <dmcglone1> That will never never happen again... LOL
[03:45] <Unit193> I used to fall asleep (not drunk) everywhere...
[03:45] <Unit193> Under the table, on the steps you can just about name a location...
[03:45]  * canthus13 used to do that too.
[03:46]  * canthus13 once fell asleep standing up on fire watch in boot camp...
[03:46] <dmcglone1> I'm the total opposite Unit193, I can't sleep anywhere but in my bed
[03:46] <canthus13> Nothing like waking up to your RDC screaming in your face.
[03:46] <dmcglone1> dang canthus13 stading>
[03:46] <Unit193> I can't now...
[03:47] <dmcglone1> I have never in my life even taken a nap
[03:47] <dmcglone1> when I try, my mind just wonders, although my body seems to be a sleep
[03:49] <Cheri703> rawr
[03:49] <dmcglone1> I remember trying to sleep in school and hated the slobber.  I never slobbered.
[03:54] <dmcglone1> Ah you can admit it, remember tomorrow is the last day of our life :-/
[03:56]  * jgould wanders in
[03:57] <Unit193> jgould: Do you slobber when you sleep?
[03:57] <Cheri703> hola jgould
[03:57] <Unit193> ^^ that's a better welcome...
[03:57] <jgould> Umm...   LOL
[04:00] <Cheri703> headphones!
[04:00] <dmcglone1> quiet that is
[04:00] <Cheri703> I got soft motorcycle headphones and put them into an eye mask, so light and sound are blocked
[04:01] <dmcglone1> Cheri703: I'm deaf. I can't sleep with my hearing aid on... LOL
[04:01] <Cheri703> true, you can't hear ANYTHING without it?
[04:01] <dmcglone1> No
[04:01] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[04:02] <Cheri703> maybe something that would vibrate lightly, create a buzzing feeling in your head, to distract?
[04:02] <dmcglone1> Nothing zilch unless an really loud siren is put next to my ear
[04:02] <Cheri703> k
[04:02] <dmcglone1> I've never tried that
[04:02] <Unit193> dmcglone1: That can be very handy
[04:02] <dmcglone1> LOL Unit193
[04:03] <Unit193> It really could...
[04:03] <dmcglone1> When I take off my hearing aid, which it's off right now, I'm in my own world
[04:04] <dmcglone1> the siren or vibrations Unit193?
[04:04]  * jgould goes through the pile of stuff that a coworker left for him
[04:05] <Unit193> Being deaf...
[04:05] <dmcglone1> True
[04:05] <dmcglone1> I've never used it in a handy way though
[04:06] <Unit193> I still wouldn't want it, but it could come in handy... (My sister needs it...)
[04:06] <dmcglone1> but it is nice being able to sleep through storms and such
[04:06] <Unit193> I can do that! "Go get me my brick!"
[04:06]  * canthus13 hands Unit193 an iPhone.
[04:07] <dmcglone1> LOL canthus13
[04:07] <dmcglone1> good one
[04:07] <Unit193> I'll take an iPhone!
[04:08] <dmcglone1> I also do like my option to turn the volume down
[04:08] <dmcglone1> LOL
[04:08] <dmcglone1> My Mom says I've got the best of both worlds
[04:12]  * jgould hands canthus13 an origional iPhone
[04:20] <dmcglone1> Ok, I'm out. night all
[04:28] <canthus13> BAH!
[04:28]  * canthus13 is soooooooo confused...
[04:28] <jgould> Me to
[04:28] <Unit193> Quit the LSD then...
[04:28] <Cheri703> ?
[04:29] <jgould> I have no clue
[04:30] <canthus13> I'm trying to get backtrack 5 to install on an SD card. Bactrack 4 installed fine on it... now I get a boot> prompt... unless I plug in my USB drive with the unebootin install of backtrack 5.  then the unetbootin menu comes up, but boots off the sd card.  If I boot just the USB without the SD card in the drive, it can't find a boot sector on the USB drive.
[04:30] <jgould> Ow.  I just ran my knee into my desk
[04:30] <canthus13> jgould: Watch out.  there's a desk there.
[04:30] <jgould> I noticed.  It attacked me
[04:31] <jgould> I'd like to file a report
[04:34] <Cheri703> rawr again
[04:35] <jgould> RAWR!
[04:36] <Cheri703> indeed
[04:36] <Cheri703> I'm watching the first episode of a (so far) crappy crime drama show
[04:36] <Unit193> 503 on the ubuntu ohio site
[04:36] <Cheri703> I'll give it til the end and decide if I'll keep watching the rest of the season
[04:37] <Unit193> The first episode can be the worst
[04:37] <Cheri703> true
[04:39] <jgould> :|  I have no idea what happened to my copy of BadgeMaker
[04:43] <Cheri703> I was randomly reminded of this video, it's hilarious, but turn down volume a bit :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWZRGZInJkw
[04:45] <jgould> Oh my god... They still have a picture of the Z on the corporate website
[04:49] <jgould> http://schoolportraits.lifetouch.com/uploadedImages/photo_experience.jpg
[04:49] <Cheri703> o.O
[04:50] <jgould> That beige thing weighed in at 35 pounds...
[04:51] <jgould> but you really couldn't take one out unless you took the door off of it
[04:52] <jgould> Used that thing up until the end of 2007
[05:44] <Unit193> Cheri703: Do you remember when you sold that laptop?
[05:45] <Cheri703> yes
[05:45] <Cheri703> NO REFUNDS! ;)
[05:45] <canthus13> looks like we didn't make the cut... none of us got rapturfied.
[05:45] <Unit193> I was just asking when (Project thing)
[05:46] <Cheri703> oh, ok
[05:46] <Cheri703> uhm...
[05:46] <Cheri703> I thought you meant it like, "hey, remember that time..."
[05:46] <Cheri703> probably jan/feb? or so?
[05:47] <Unit193> He needs to buy another power cord...
[05:47] <Cheri703> oh?
[05:51] <Unit193> Was I supposed to answer?
[05:55] <Cheri703> why does he need a new cord?
[05:58] <TheErk> Greetings programs!
[05:59] <Cheri703> hi
[06:06] <TheErk> How the heck are you
[06:08] <Cheri703> doing alright
[06:21] <TheErk> 90 minutes and i'm still waiting to be raptured
[06:22] <canthus13> TheErk: It's still 38 minutes out.
[06:23] <canthus13> 6pm NZ time isn't 'til 2am EST.
[06:23] <TheErk> Are they going by NZ time?
[06:23] <canthus13> Anyway.. I'm off to bed.   What if you are one of the ones left behind?
[06:32] <TheErk> Because God couldn't have made a better person.. and humble.
[08:15] <Unit193> Well... I have an early (8am) morning tomorrow, have a good night!
[08:28] <jgould> hmm...  I seem to have lost two finger scrolling even though it's turned on...
[08:41] <jgould> A reboot fixed it... (what doesn't a reboot fix
[16:17] <canthus13> blargh.
[16:25] <Cheri703> mmhm
[16:55]  * Cheri703 followed a link to an ikea product earlier and is now in a " :( :( want furniture / new nice things" mood :/
[16:55] <Cheri703> after browsing the site for a while
[16:56] <Cheri703> and seeing all kinds of things we could use
[19:10] <Cheri703> :D http://thedailywh.at/2011/05/21/having-fun-with-fundies-of-the-day/
[23:27] <Cheri703> finally rendering my gnucash screencast thing
[23:29] <jgould> So, did anyone disappear?
[23:30]  * Cheri703 certainly didn't
[23:39] <jgould> I didn't either
[23:57]  * canthus13 did.
[23:57] <canthus13> freaking overtime. :/


[00:10] <aquarius> if I have a path to a .desktop file, what's the best way of launching that program from a python app? Do I have to open it and parse it for the Exec key myself?
[00:11] <ajmitch> aquarius: you could possibly use python-xdg to parse the .desktop file, I don't know if it'd be worth it though
[00:13] <jo-erlend> well... "Parse"? :) for line in open("/path/to/desktop.file"): if line.startswith("Exec="): subprocess.check_call([line[5:]])
[00:13] <aquarius> heh.
[00:13] <aquarius> not if, for example, the exec line specifies a parameter
[00:13] <aquarius> or if it's broken over two lines
[00:13] <ajmitch> which would need the % arguments stripped off :)
[00:13] <aquarius> etc, etc, etc :)
[00:14] <aquarius> this is why I was hoping someone else had already done the hard work ;)
[00:15] <jo-erlend> aquarius, add shell=True and it'll work with parameters. But what do you mean broken over two lines? Is that legal in .desktop-files?
[00:15] <aquarius> jo-erlend, yeah, I am pretty sure there's a line-break thing
[00:15] <aquarius> am looking at pyxdg
[00:15] <jo-erlend> oh. I didn't know that.
[00:15] <aquarius> gio.AppInfo is the way to launch it, I think
[00:15] <ajmitch> python-xdg has a DesktopEntry class with a getExec() method, probably the closest you'll get :)
[00:16] <aquarius> but I still need to load the individual details with pyxdg to pass them to gio. Bah
[00:16] <aquarius> wish gio.AppInfo had a load_desktop_file method.
[00:16] <ajmitch> it used to be that you could just call 'xdg-open blah.desktop' & it'd run it
[00:24] <jo-erlend> btw... I've forgotten how to get outputs of commands as lines when running subprocess. Anyone?
[01:01] <aquarius> jo-erlend, http://docs.python.org/library/subprocess.html#replacing-bin-sh-shell-backquote
[08:20] <dpm> morning
[08:39] <jo-erlend> morning. :)
[09:32] <jml> hi


 Shoulda been resized w/preview or something.
[20:03] <thorwil> sure. but it is good we have it in LARGE :)
[20:03] <ckontros> Sure sure.
[20:10] <thorwil> gotta love what Hydrogen left in my terminal: (E) PatternEditorInstrumentList	dropEvent move instrument:Cowbell
[20:10] <ckontros> hahahahahah Awesome. :)
[21:49] <mrmcq2u> kwwii there seems to be someone on ubuntu forums already creating a gtk theme to fit in with xsplash
[21:53] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: w00t, link?
[21:53] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: although I am pretty clost to finished with my version
[21:54] <kwwii> ...hehe, maybe theirs is better :D
[21:54] <mrmcq2u> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1268950&page=7
[21:54] <mrmcq2u> near the end
[21:55] <kwwii> good to see that the forums are as crazy as ever ;)
[21:55] <mrmcq2u> I know :D
[21:56] <kwwii> well, I do like the top (dark) part but it does not fit with the current design
[21:56] <kwwii> everything is dark in the new gdm
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> think of it this way, the people complaining there are the same people who complained on the art mailing list which was not that many compared to the entire community
[21:56] <kwwii>  ;)
[21:56] <kwwii> right
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> oooooh
[21:56] <kwwii> I understand the forum and don't take anything said there personally
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> can I try it out
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> secretly :D
[21:56] <kwwii> although they can be somewhat personal in their comments at times
[21:56] <mrmcq2u> lolz
[21:57] <SiDi> kwwii: some people in the forums dont notice devs ever hear about what they say
[21:57] <kwwii> but hey, it is a forum...we ask people to say whatever they want there
[21:57] <SiDi> so they just crystalize all their disappointment or frustation on the devs
[21:57] <mrmcq2u> kwwii - I got a warning on the forums for freaking out at people complaining about developers
[21:57] <kwwii> and to be honest, only ubuntu fans post things there...it is not a forum for newbies
[21:57] <kwwii> lol
[21:57] <SiDi> and some have a bad wording too. I did myself hurt other devs due to bad wording in the past
[21:57] <kwwii> SiDi: trust me, I understand
[21:58] <knome> hurting is easy
[21:58] <kwwii> I have had people tell me that everything I do is shit, etc
[21:58] <kwwii> no worries, it is somewhat too seperated from reality that I really listen to what they say :D
[21:58] <mrmcq2u> like most forums
[21:58] <knome> kwwii, even that is better than doing things wonderfully (or so most of the people say) but get ignored by the person who decides on things :P
[21:59] <kwwii> I wanted to make a screenshot of the new gdm
[21:59] <kwwii> but the new themeing cannot even be applied to gdm
[21:59] <kwwii> :p
[21:59] <SiDi> hey btw, will there be a new metacity / gtk theme in karmic for gnome ?
[21:59] <kwwii> TheMuso (luke) is going to hack gdm to allow it to accept a gtk and metacity theme from a gconf key
[22:00] <SiDi> (why not set a theme for the 'gdm' user ? doesnt it work ?)
[22:00] <kwwii> knome: true, to some extent
[22:00] <mrmcq2u> I think forums should be replaced with a more social network approach with aggregation of blog posts instead of forum threads, that way the things people say would be more attached to themselves as an individual so they would be less likely to act like a jerk
[22:00] <kwwii> SiDi: no, it only takes the gnome-session default settings currently
[22:00] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: probably true
[22:00] <dashua> I finally got a login sound on GDM
[22:00] <kwwii> ouch, turn it off
[22:00] <kwwii> I get it *really* loud every morning
[22:01] <dashua> Ha yeah
[22:01] <kwwii> because I forget to turn my sound down the night before
[22:01] <kwwii> I bet my neighbors think that is the sound of my alarm
[22:01] <SiDi> lol
[22:01] <mrmcq2u> kwwii I hate when that happens in the college library
[22:01] <kwwii> boom-ba-doompa--doompa-da
[22:01] <kwwii> lol
[22:02] <mrmcq2u> the ubuntu startup sound is fairly daunting when I forget to switch it off and everyone looks at me :D
[22:02] <kwwii> you should see my sound setup on this machine ;)
[22:02] <SiDi> i hate hearing windows login or microsoft live messenger sounds in the library
[22:02] <SiDi> that freaks me out
[22:02] <kwwii> we had a guy who wanted to work on it
[22:02] <kwwii> he was amazing
[22:02] <kwwii> a real proffesional
[22:02] <mrmcq2u> that was the last release right?
[22:02] <knome> heh
[22:02] <kwwii> but we pissed that away in the changing of leads, bosses, teams, etc
[22:03] <knome> >__<
[22:03] <knome> of course..
[22:03] <kwwii> let me find a link...he did some amazing shit
[22:03] <knome> "amazing shit"
[22:03] <knome> hmm
[22:03] <knome> interesting concept
[22:03] <mrmcq2u> oooh link :D
[22:03] <kwwii> one day I got an email from him saying he wanted to make a new sound theme for ubuntu
[22:03] <mrmcq2u> why dont you use it?
[22:04] <mrmcq2u> was it the one that mark said sounded too much like windows?
[22:04] <kwwii> http://diegostocco.com/
[22:05] <kwwii> http://www.vimeo.com/user647380
[22:05] <kwwii> no, that was a different one
[22:05] <knome> heh
[22:06] <kwwii> the first stuff (and only stuff in the end) he sent was pretty wild, very different
[22:06] <kwwii> he did the stapler music for ubuntu originally
[22:06] <mrmcq2u> is there a direct link to the music?
[22:06] <kwwii> but it was considered too dark
[22:06] <mrmcq2u> or is the music in the intro of his site the one?
[22:06] <kwwii> no, not to the theme because it never was anything more than an email in my inbox
[22:07] <kwwii> http://www.vimeo.com/5583313 for instance...haven't heard that one yet
[22:08] <mrmcq2u> so his work will not be in a future version?
[22:09] <kwwii> boah, the tree stuff is killer
[22:09] <kwwii> I wish
[22:09] <kwwii> but I bet he is upset that we blew him off
[22:09] <knome> kwwii, too bad to hear that.
[22:09] <kwwii> you should see the things he has done...it is amazing
[22:10] <kwwii> no doubt
[22:10] <knome> there is a lot wrong in the ubuntu byrocracy, definitely.
[22:10] <mrmcq2u> If you apologize and explain what the issues were before I am sure he would understand
[22:11] <mrmcq2u> would there be anything holding his contribution back now?
[22:11] <kwwii> the burning piano stuff is cool too
[22:11] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: yeah, maybe I should send him an email
[22:11] <knome> kwwii, have to check those once i get home ;)
[22:11] <kwwii> or flowers :p
[22:11] <knome> kwwii, and chocolate
[22:11] <knome> kwwii, and a bottle of whiskey
[22:11] <knome> kwwii, (me too)
[22:11] <kwwii> good idea :p
[22:12] <kwwii> not you though :D
[22:12] <knome> BAH!
[22:12] <mrmcq2u> lol
[22:12] <mrmcq2u> kwwii - so the new gtk theme you are working on is not working with gdm yet?
[22:12] <kwwii> I just bought a box of nifty absolut bottles in studded leather...cost too much to send it though
[22:13] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: no other theme works with gdm currently
[22:13] <kwwii> it can do them, but it doesn't have a mechanism to set it
[22:13] <kwwii> gdm is now a normal x-session
[22:13] <kwwii> and the panel at the bottom is a normal panel
[22:14] <kwwii> we had plans to change the interface but there is no dev/tem left to do it
[22:15] <mrmcq2u> Well I presume the plans to change the interface your are referring to is that clutter mockup macslow has?
[22:16] <mrmcq2u> which requires work to be done to the greeter right
[22:17]  * mrmcq2u bookmarked the diegostocco site as there is some high quality stuff on it
[22:19] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: no, there are other mockups which we intended to make reality
[22:19] <kwwii> I think they are on the wiki
[22:19] <mrmcq2u> ah
[22:19] <sanderqd> hey, i was wondering whether there are still plans for client-side window decoration in ubuntu. saw a gtk+ branch implementing it, and heard some months ago it might be in 9.10
[22:19] <mrmcq2u> but it doesnt support transparency and whatnot
[22:19] <kwwii> we decided not to turn compiz on at that point, no matter what
[22:20] <kwwii> I think because it would take longer to load
[22:20] <mrmcq2u> I think client side windows are already in aren't they
[22:20] <kwwii> but theoretically at least, you could do transparency in gdm if you wanted to and had the right card/driver
[22:20] <mrmcq2u> kwii - mutter might be better in karmic+1
[22:20] <mrmcq2u> kwii - kwwii
[22:20] <kwwii> ahhh, read back further!
[22:21] <kwwii> we started work on that, both client side decorations and client side window
[22:21] <kwwii> that is two different things
[22:21] <mrmcq2u> yeah, cimi did some good work on that end
[22:21] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: hopefully ;)
[22:21] <kwwii> we do have code for it all, but we are not using any of it
[22:21] <kwwii> in karmic
[22:22] <kwwii> we did the one, and upstream did the other
[22:22] <mrmcq2u> hmmm.. is it part of gtk now or still a hack
[22:22] <sanderqd> you did the csd? i think csw are merged into gtk+ right now
[22:23] <mrmcq2u> I think cdw are in
[22:23] <mrmcq2u> cdw - csw
[22:24] <mrmcq2u> they got rid of the broken nvidia artifacts I had on windows :D
[22:25] <mrmcq2u> so my broken nvidia card can be used on one of my machines :D
[22:25] <mrmcq2u> ubuntu 1 windows 0
[22:25] <mrmcq2u> lol
[22:25] <kwwii> sanderqd: we started it, but had some serious problems with firefox in the testing
[22:26] <kwwii> and then other things came up which we had to work on
[22:26] <sanderqd> ah, right, and firefox would probably not be the only app facing issues
[22:26] <kwwii> cody russell really is a genious :)
[22:26] <kwwii> yeah, I think OOo was another one
[22:26] <kwwii> gnome apps worked fine
[22:26] <mrmcq2u> ew OOo :D
[22:26] <mrmcq2u> I hate its ui
[22:26] <kwwii> but then there was the question of what to do with kde apps, etc
[22:27] <sanderqd> still it would be cool to have for at least some apps (maybe by adding a separate compiler flag), and have the rest use metacity's decoration
[22:27] <kwwii> sanderqd: that is exactly what I said (from the beginning on, because I knew there would be problems with some apps)
[22:27] <kwwii> I suggested doing all the multimedia apps that way
[22:27] <mrmcq2u> shouldnt the few apps that have problems patch themselves
[22:28] <kwwii> as a group, they would be the best ones to implement this on first
[22:28] <kwwii> mrmcq2u: lol, that would be the ideal, yes....but not reality
[22:28] <kwwii> firefox doesn't change because ubuntu wants to do something new
[22:29] <mrmcq2u> so firefox should hold it back?
[22:30] <mrmcq2u> hmmmm .. tricky
[22:30] <mrmcq2u> so mozilla dont have a good relationship upstream
[22:30] <mrmcq2u> Im sure csw/csd will be in other distros other than ubuntu
[22:31] <kwwii> mozilla doesn't really care about linux in general
[22:31] <sanderqd> kwwii: so csd is currently still under consideration? i like the idea a lot, it works out really well on mac and in google chrome
[22:31] <kwwii> we are not large enough, user-base-wise to make a difference
[22:32] <kwwii> the fact that they botched the gtk implementation should explain that
[22:32] <mrmcq2u> isnt moblin using csw + csd
[22:32] <kwwii> sanderqd: because it is shortly before beta, I would say that for karmic it is dead but we will be working on +1 in a few weeks
[22:33] <sanderqd> great :-)
[23:05] <SiDi_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Karmic
[23:05] <SiDi_> thoughts ? :P
[23:09] <ckontros> Albatross reminds me of Studio's layout. ;)
[23:16] <kwwii> nice
[23:16] <kwwii> a step up for xubuntu
[23:17] <kwwii> I agree with ckontros though being more like something beautifull can only be a good thing ;)
[23:19] <SiDi_> :)
[23:29] <kwwii> night all
[23:30] <kwwii> back to london tomorrow...won't be back online until monday morning
[23:30] <kwwii> have fun, be good, play well with each other
[23:31] <knome> kwwii, i'm not going to play with these guys! they suck!
[23:31] <knome> ;)
[23:32] <kwwii> :p
[23:34] <knome> hehe, good night :)


[17:46] <Keybuk> void foo() {
[17:46] <Keybuk>     nih_local char *foo;
[17:46] <Keybuk>     foo = nih_strdup (NULL, foo);
[17:46] <Keybuk> }
[17:46] <Keybuk> \o/
[17:46]  * Keybuk is a genius
[17:46] <Keybuk> that pointer will be automatically freed when the function returns ;)
[19:20] <ion_> keybuk: Ooh. How does it work? Using some gcc extension, i presume.
[19:21] <Keybuk> ion_: yup ;)
[19:22] <Keybuk> only works because of the new allocator, of course
[19:22] <Keybuk> the great thing is, that this works:
[19:22] <Keybuk> void foo() {
[19:22] <Keybuk>      nih_local char *foo;
[19:22] <Keybuk>      foo = nih_strdup (NULL, foo);
[19:22] <Keybuk>      pass_to_some_func (foo);
[19:22] <Keybuk> }
[19:22] <Keybuk> if pass_to_some_func() references foo, it won't be freed :-)
[19:22] <ion_> Neat
[19:23] <Keybuk> but if it doesn't, foo is freed ;-)
[19:23] <ion_> Heh, if i type “? libnih” to the address bar, Firefox opens http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Leibniz
[19:25] <ion_> libnih’s trunk doesn’t seem to contain nih_local. What is it defined as?
[19:29] <Keybuk> I haven't pushed it yet
[19:30] <Keybuk> uses __attribute__((cleanup))
[19:30] <Keybuk> which calls a function and passes a pointer to the variable when it goes out of scope
[19:31] <ion_> Alright
[19:33] <Keybuk> I thought about just having something like
[19:33] <Keybuk>   nih_local_context ctx;
[19:33] <Keybuk> where you'd pass that in instead of NULL for the given block
[19:33] <Keybuk> but decided that "nih_local type *var;" was nicer ;)
[19:33] <ion_> Yeah
[19:35] <sadmac> Keybuk: what else is on the list of nih improvements?
[19:36] <Keybuk> d-bus properties
[19:36] <Keybuk> signal handling, etc.
[19:36] <Keybuk> better main loop
[19:37] <sadmac> Keybuk: do you have asynchronous method calls for dbus? That'd help for some initctl stuff
[19:37] <Keybuk> that's on the todo list
[19:38] <sadmac> is there enough on launchpad for me to pitch in?
[19:40] <Keybuk> for the d-bus stuff?
[19:40] <Keybuk> it hasn't changed in months
[19:40] <Keybuk> and I believe I suggested it as something for you to do months ago, and gave you notes ;-)
[19:41] <sadmac> Keybuk: I assume the new memory management would want to be underneath all of it though.
[19:42] <Keybuk> I don't think the D-Bus functions use anything that has changed
[19:42] <Keybuk> only functions that call nih_alloc_reparent are affected
[19:42] <Keybuk> otherwise the API is entirely compatible
[20:50] <keesj> is nih used for other projects?
[20:55] <sadmac> keesj: no, and its really not set up to be right now
[20:55] <sadmac> it operates more as a code patch than an actual library
[20:56] <sadmac> we only barely get away with that because upstart is the only consumer
[20:56] <sadmac> (and its due to change soon)
[20:59] <ion_> My idlemeter uses libnih. :-P
[21:00] <Keybuk> my train set controller uses libnih too ;)
[21:00] <Keybuk> it wasn't even originally written for upstart (which is why upstart uses less than half of it)
[21:00] <Keybuk> it was originally written for dpkg2 ;-)
[21:01] <Keybuk> keesj: if you treat it as a library that changes API on a whim, it's quite usable
[21:01] <Keybuk> ie. don't bzr update libnih in your tree unless you've read the coming changes
[21:01] <keesj> in the old days it was lib.
[21:01] <sadmac> Keybuk: but right now nobody else other than us and the trains are using it, right?
[21:01] <keesj> I see.
[21:02] <keesj> tha's why the compiling upstart from bzr is so stangely not compiling nih but only configuring...
[21:02] <sadmac> oh, and ion_
[21:04] <sadmac> Keybuk: so my thoughts on not waiting for dbus reply is to simply not wait if the user NULLs out the out arguments.
[21:04] <Keybuk> my thought was just to use the async function and NULL the callback ;)
[21:05] <sadmac> that works too.