[00:00] <micahg> I had a mess after I imported my bookmarks from Delicious
[00:00] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[00:00] <billybigrigger> no, it just copy's on top of the new profile's bookmarks, with no regards to duplicate entries
[00:01] <micahg> yes, that's true
[00:05] <billybigrigger> k thanks for the help
[00:05] <micahg> no problem
[00:05] <micahg> billybigrigger: there might be an addon that dealss with duplicate bookmarks
[00:06] <micahg> but it's not supported afaik
[00:06] <micahg> *supported by us
[00:07]  * BUGabundo hears about addons and hides
[00:07] <BUGabundo> micahg: you mean supported *by* mozilla!
[00:07] <micahg> BUGabundo: by either
[00:14] <fta> asac, http://mces.blogspot.com/2009/06/if-you-see-keith-packard-say-hello.html
[00:23] <BUGabundo> fta: LOL
[00:23] <BUGabundo> " 	       	      Missing in Action?"
[00:23] <BUGabundo> Last I heard Keith was going with Chuck Norris - beating the sun on the  beach unconscious.
[00:23] <BUGabundo> ahaahahahahahahhaahahahah
[00:36] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=10665
[00:36] <fta> grrr, the bot should parse those urls and display title like for other bts
[00:37] <BUGabundo> fta: so does that mean we are getting a lots of changes for fontconfig ?
[00:38] <fta> no, that we are *missing* a lot of changes
[00:38] <fta> that are in fedora 11 apparently
[00:39] <BUGabundo> but since that guy now can submit to debian
[00:39] <BUGabundo> we will get them by sinc
[00:47] <fta> who knows
[00:47] <fta> what is needed is a new upstream tarball, not yet another DD
[01:03] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 120885392 2009-06-16 01:52 chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090615r18450.orig.tar.gz
[01:03] <fta> yeah!
[01:03] <fta> 120 MB, from >400 MB a week ago
[01:21] <asac_> good night
[01:22] <BUGabundo> hey asa
[01:22] <BUGabundo> *asac
[01:23] <fta> apparently, someone wants to repackage chromium "better"
[01:23] <fta> interesting
[01:26] <BUGabundo> ahah
[01:26] <BUGabundo> fta: Who?
[01:27] <fta> http://identi.ca/mtrausch
[01:28] <BUGabundo> well @pedrogfrancisco seems to be an opensuse user
[01:29] <BUGabundo> is that guy *only* talking to you ?
[01:29] <fta> not him, http://identi.ca/fta
[01:30] <fta> this thing is not designed to follow a discussion
[01:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:31] <BUGabundo> of course not
[01:31] <BUGabundo> its called µblog. not Chat
[01:31] <fta> but you really seems to be using it as a chat. remember i told you several times?
[01:31] <fta> -s
[01:32] <BUGabundo> well if ppl ask questions, I reply
[01:32] <BUGabundo> just like I do here! and even with the same length :)
[01:32] <BUGabundo> fta: smile a bit Right Brain v Left Brain http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22556281-661,00.html
[01:42]  * BUGabundo cd ~/caminha
[01:44] <fta> ...
[03:31] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[03:31] <billybigrigger> i had to start a new profile earlier today and now i can't open torrent
[03:31] <micahg> sure
[03:31] <billybigrigger> torrents
[03:31] <billybigrigger> now i looked in my preferences, applications, and see nothing for BitTorrent seed file, or .torrent
[03:31] <billybigrigger> how do i add one?
[03:32] <micahg> add the addon again
[03:32] <micahg> you can probably find the torrent in your old profile in ~/.mozilla/firefox-3.0
[03:32] <micahg> sorry
[03:32] <micahg> just firefox
[03:33] <billybigrigger> eh?
[03:33] <billybigrigger> add the addon?
[03:33] <micahg> addons.mozilla.org
[03:33] <billybigrigger> i never added an addon
[03:33] <micahg> oh
[03:34] <billybigrigger> its trying to open with Transmission, i want it to open with deluge
[03:34] <micahg> ah
[03:34] <billybigrigger> but i can't find .torrent in the Prefs/Applications
[03:34] <micahg> I think it's called TORRENT file
[03:35] <billybigrigger> either way, its not there
[03:36] <micahg> when you click on the torrent, it should ask you what it should do with it
[03:36] <micahg> choose your app
[03:36] <micahg> and tell it to save your preference
[03:36] <billybigrigger> ya deluge doesn't show up
[03:36] <micahg> ok
[03:36] <micahg> browse to /usr/bin/deluge
[03:36] <billybigrigger> everything was working fine until i changed my profile
[03:36] <billybigrigger> i know where deluge is located
[03:37] <micahg> ok
[03:37] <micahg> so click browse
[03:37] <micahg> and choose your app
[06:33] <micahg> New bugs in FF3 up to 700 :(
[07:39] <micahg> ping asac
[07:41] <micahg> possible regression in karmic?
[07:41] <micahg> bug 387088 and bug 387286
[07:41] <micahg> both crashing with Flash on Karmic with 3.0.11
[10:48] <asac> so doing nss update
[10:49] <BUGabundo> guud day
[10:50] <BUGabundo> asac: is dnsmasq supported and does it work with NM ?
[10:50] <asac> hi
[10:50] <BUGabundo> one user reporting it makes it very easy to use that to _share_ connections
[10:50] <BUGabundo> something I think NM should do
[10:51] <BUGabundo> both wind and mac make it just with just a few clicks
[10:52] <asac> BUGabundo: NM supports connection sharing
[10:52] <asac> install dnsmasq-base for that
[10:52] <asac> but do not install dnsmasq full
[10:52] <asac> which causes issues with resolvconf
[10:52] <asac> (also dont install resolvconf)
[10:56] <BUGabundo> just dnsmasq-base ?
[10:56] <BUGabundo> nice!
[10:56] <asac> yes
[10:57] <BUGabundo> why didn't you ever tell me that??
[10:57] <BUGabundo> I've mention this several times now
[10:58] <asac> really?
[10:59] <BUGabundo> yes
[10:59] <asac> i always knew that dnsmasq-base allows you to share connections
[10:59] <BUGabundo> been asking it ever since I got a 3G dongle
[10:59] <BUGabundo> spent HOURs around that
[10:59] <asac> hmm. guess its miscommunication ;)
[10:59] <BUGabundo> to the point of using Windows to share it :(
[10:59] <asac> BUGabundo: network-manager package even Recommends dnsmasq-base
[10:59] <asac> so if you just apt-ge tinstall network-manager you would get it
[11:00] <asac> (same for fresh from CD installs)
[11:00] <BUGabundo> humm same install since hardy alpha
[11:01] <BUGabundo> with all metapackages installed, afaik
[11:01] <BUGabundo> how do I share?
[11:01] <asac> yeah. at some point plain apt-get upgrade deselected recommends. so maybe thats why
[11:01] <BUGabundo> maybe its user error not package missing
[11:02] <asac> BUGabundo: create a wired connection and set it to "Shared to other computers"
[11:02] <asac> in ipv4settings
[11:02] <asac> play a bit around. it just worked for me last time i tested ;)
[11:02] <BUGabundo> DUH!
[11:03] <BUGabundo> that's it?
[11:03] <BUGabundo> ok user error
[11:03] <asac> heh. let me know
[11:03] <BUGabundo> I always though that meant hadoc or something
[11:03] <BUGabundo> like pc to pc simple connection
[11:03] <asac> for wifi you probably need adhoc or something. for wired you dont
[11:03] <BUGabundo> guess something got lost in translation
[11:04] <BUGabundo> I'll try to think on a better wording for it
[11:05] <BUGabundo> asac: thanks
[11:05] <BUGabundo> bbl
[11:06] <asac> i think even the english wording isnt good
[14:27] <fta2> asac, i've been able to shrink the chromium tarball down to 120 MB, i won't be able to go further than that i'm afraid.
[14:28] <fta2> two weeks ago, it went up to 375 MB
[14:28] <asac> fta2: last size was 190
[14:28] <asac> hmm
[14:28] <asac> so it went down from 380 to 190 then up to 375 and now 120 ;)
[14:28] <fta2> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chromium-tarball.png
[14:28] <asac> at least there is a trend ;)
[14:29] <asac> thats odd. was the other size you showed me (was about 190) an experiment?
[14:29] <asac> or did i just dream about it ;)
[14:29] <fta2> yep 190 was ~2 weeks ago, 1st experiment
[14:30] <fta2> well, 2rd
[14:30] <fta2> 2nd
[14:30] <fta2> now, the 3rd is at 120 MB but it's reaching a limit
[14:32] <fta2> 563 MB unpacked
[14:32] <asac> thats quite good. but did you manage to eliminate any new third party stuff?
[14:32] <asac> or just remove binary blobs spreaded in the tree?
[14:33] <fta2> 253 MB of 3rd party, incl 100 MB of icu38 (patched) and 83 MB of webkit
[14:34] <fta2> and some more 3rd party in chrome/ (107 MB), mostly hunspell (105 MB)
[14:35] <asac> fta2: yes, what i wondered about is if you gt rid of any additional third_party to get to 120MB;)
[14:36] <asac> i mean a complete third_party tree
[14:36] <fta2> 103 MB of patched dictionaries. not sure if they are shipped, and how
[14:36] <asac> so hunspell uses system-hunspell now?
[14:36] <fta2> no
[14:36] <asac> or just dictionaries gone?
[14:36] <asac> ok
[14:36] <asac> still good
[14:36] <fta2> nope either, it's still there
[14:37] <fta2> i dropped other stuff, mostly webkit stuff
[14:37] <fta2> and ref build tests
[14:41] <fta2> well, i guess you can read the commit logs: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-browser.head
[16:10] <asac> damn nss build crashed
[16:22] <ripps> fta2: ping
[16:38] <fta2> ripps, yes?
[16:38] <ripps> fta2: I keep getting an error when I run daily.sh mpd, and update-pkg --fix doesn't fix it.
[16:38] <ripps> http://pastebin.com/f79154974
[16:40] <fta2> ripps, did you manually touch mpd.head.ppa.jaunty ?
[16:40] <fta2> go there and bzr diff it
[16:40] <ripps> fta2: no
[16:41] <fta2> maybe you interrupted the script while it was working in that branch
[16:41] <fta2> bzr revert should fix it
[16:41] <ripps> http://pastebin.com/f1b826489
[16:42] <ripps> The weird thing is that this shouldn't be here, I already updated mpd two days ago and it was fine. There hasn't been any upstream changes since then
[16:46] <fta2> well, that diff is obviously from the bot so for some reason, it hasn't been committed. just revert, and restart, should be fine
[16:47] <fta2> hm, but it probably means the karmic branch is already committed.. bad.
[16:47] <ripps> fta2: feature request: have some way for the ppabot to know if the script was interrupted and didn't finish properly, and then give it some way to automatically clean up. Maybe something like a lock file that is created and then deleted upon completion
[16:49] <fta2> i plan to improve the error reporting somehow.. and maybe revert incomplete tasks, and die less.
[16:49] <ripps> :)
[16:49] <fta2> the problem is that the script dies for good reasons, most of the time, needing the admin attention
[16:50] <micahg1> ping asac
[17:12] <asac> micahg1: ola
[17:15] <micahg1> hi
[17:15] <micahg1> did you get my message this morning?
[17:18] <asac> micahg1: yes, let me check the bugs
[17:18] <asac> micahg1: unlikely. both look like libflashplayer is involed.
[17:18] <asac> micahg: can you reproduce the bwin crash?
[17:19] <micahg> Not on 3.5, let me test on 3.0.11
[17:19] <micahg> also, I don't have karmic
[17:20] <micahg> asac: Site no longer is up
[17:20] <asac> micahg: bwin.de is not up?
[17:20] <asac> thats a major betting site ;)
[17:21] <micahg> ah, I see
[17:21] <asac> ok unless we hear about regression from jaunty thats probably ok
[17:21] <micahg> I can';t follow the users link
[17:21] <asac> could also be driver related
[17:21] <micahg> but if I go to it without https it's ok
[17:21] <asac> ask them for the upgrade logs so we can see if drivers got updated too at the same time
[17:21] <asac> if thats the case i would either close bug or push that to driver packages
[17:21] <asac> micahg: https://www.bwin.de/
[17:21] <asac> that works for me
[17:22] <micahg> it seems to work fine
[17:22] <micahg> in jaunty
[17:22] <micahg> asac: can I just ask for apt-cache policy and the nvidia drivers?
[17:22] <micahg> or do you want to see all the logs?
[17:24] <asac> micahg: i think its /var/log/apt/term.log
[17:25] <micahg> asac: one user is using a live ced
[17:25] <micahg> cd
[18:03] <asac> micahg: is that user using livecd using nvidia or other proprietary driver
[18:10] <micahg> asac: no
[18:10] <Ro9u3oR> anyone think they can help me with syncing my google calendar with tbird
[18:11] <micahg> Ro9u3oR: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4631
[18:19] <Ro9u3oR> what would be a example of the location of my google calendar
[18:36] <asac> Ro9u3oR: i think in google calendars options there are urls
[18:36] <asac> Ro9u3oR: usually if you use lighting extnesion it allows you just to specify the username etc.?
[18:37] <asac> isnt that right?
[19:56] <bdmurray> asac: Have you had a chance to look at bug 384120?
[20:08] <asac> bdmurray: checking
[21:19] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[21:22] <micahg> ls
[21:22] <micahg> oops
[21:23] <BUGabundo> micahg: lol
[21:24] <micahg> brb, need to reboot to test a fix for my png problem
[21:39] <micahg> ping asac
[21:52] <asac> micahg: hey
[21:52] <micahg> hi
[21:52] <micahg> so that png bugs seems to be fixed
[21:52] <micahg> I was wondering, do I add the fglrx package and mark fix released?
[21:53] <micahg> and mark FF3.5 invalid?
[21:53] <micahg> or just change ff3.5 to fglrx
[21:54] <asac> micahg: thats a matter of preference. ususually change to fglrx and fix release there. if those bugs are reported frequently keep the firefox target with invalid, so users get the dupe suggestion when filing a bug.
[21:54] <fta> asac, fyi, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxPackaging
[21:55] <asac> but both ways are valid
[21:55] <micahg> ok, I'll do the first and if we get dups, I'll do the second :)(
[22:33] <fta> asac, uh? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28003459/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-lpia.firefox-3.5_3.5~hg20090615r25976%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:33] <fta> new gtk/glib?
[22:49] <micahg> ping bdrung
[22:50] <bdrung> micahg: pong
[22:51] <micahg> thanks for catching that adblock plus thing
[22:51] <micahg> crashing is never proper behaviour
[22:52] <micahg> can I just move the adblock plus issues to that package with the new status?
[22:52] <micahg> I'm not familiar with the addon
[22:53] <micahg> I thought it was simiilar to noscript
[22:53] <bdrung> it only blocks advertisment
[22:53] <micahg> ah, ok
[22:53] <bdrung> so you will not see some pictures or popins.
[22:54] <bdrung> micahg: i assume that the bug is fixed the the karmic package, so the status should be fix released instead of invalid, if the bug reporter does not respond
[22:54] <micahg> do you mind if I just move the issues there for you to triage?
[22:55] <micahg> Should I change it now?
[22:55] <bdrung> incomplete would fit best
[22:56] <bdrung> so it depends on his answers
[22:56] <bdrung> either it is fixed or it has to be triaged
[22:57] <micahg> ok, I updated thatstatus
[23:07] <bdrung> thx
[23:08] <micahg> I think I"ll stick with what I know :)
[23:12] <asac> fta: is the GTK_PATH workaround for < karmic ?
[23:13] <fta> all i guess
[23:14] <fta> glad you're reading the diffs ;)
[23:18] <asac> fta: all i guess? your ia32libs modules link should have fixed this iirc
[23:19] <asac> fta: anyway. what i dont get are build failures for dailies as it seems
[23:19] <asac> at least you fix diverged patches without seeing any build failur ;)
[23:19] <fta> i do receive emails for build failures
[23:20] <fta> both ucd and umd
[23:20] <fta> asac, i'm not using my new ia32-libs, you said it was bad for flash or something
[23:21] <asac> fta: oh right. but its not because of modules
[23:21] <asac> its something else
[23:21] <asac> i thought it maybe was a bad general archive state when the snapshot was done
[23:22] <fta> alpha 2
[23:31] <asac> too bad that ia32 now ends up on our plate somehow
[23:32] <micahg> does it have to do with nspluginwrapper?
[23:35] <asac> more or less yes. flashplugin
[23:37] <micahg> It'll be nice when that's gone
[23:38] <asac> yeah
[23:38] <fta> asac, did you just get the ftbfs for chromium ucd3?
[23:38] <asac> karmic+1
[23:38] <asac> fta: no.. i aint get any ftbfs anymore. thats what i was trying to tell ;)
[23:38] <asac> (just my own ppa uploads)
[23:38] <fta> even umd?
[23:38] <asac> maybe launchpad was changed/fixed and now doesnt send to full team
[23:38]  * asac gets new mail
[23:38] <fta> thought you did get those earlier
[23:39] <asac> yes, i did
[23:39] <asac> i also got build failures in ubuntu-mozilla-daily
[23:39] <asac> not anymore
[23:39] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28005308/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-lpia.chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090616r18494-0ubuntu1~ucd3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:39] <asac> unless there wasnt a build failure for a week or so
[23:39] <fta> got some almost everyday :(
[23:39] <fta> the 2 xul mostly
[23:40] <asac> pfft. everything is busted because of gtk ;)
[23:40]  * asac wonders if this is something worth waking seb up for ;)
[23:42] <asac> fta: gtk 2 is fixed btw
[23:42] <asac> didnt see that seb already uploaded a new one
[23:43] <asac> so wait for ubuntu2
[23:44] <asac> so i guess nothing to do today anymore. will probably take ~1h before gtk is available on builders ;)
[23:46] <fta> sleep 3600 && python trigger_a_rebuild_using_lp_api.py
[23:47] <asac> nice ;)
[23:51] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/2.17.2-0ubuntu2/+build/1080522
[23:51] <fta> asac, not that nice, i don't have that trigger_a_rebuild_using_lp_api.py ;)
[23:51] <asac> fta: yeah. still needs two publisher runs i would think
[23:51] <asac> at least to get on amd64
[23:51] <asac> does lp api already have a retry function?
[23:52] <fta> not sure what "Binaries awaiting acceptance" means
[23:52] <asac> fta: that measnt that its waiting for publishing or even pre-publishing
[23:52] <asac> i think amd64 would wait for binary all packages from i386 in such a state
[23:53] <asac> but then i might think that soyuz is smarter than it is ;)
[23:53] <fta> http://blog.launchpad.net/code/git-branch-imports-now-in-public-beta
[23:54] <fta> well, not new but new to me
[23:56] <asac> i want hg ;)
[23:56] <asac> also wont start moving to git imports until i feel that its stable ;)


[00:34] <forces> hi!!!!!!
[03:37] <Brandon1> Hello
[03:54] <Brandon1> Anyone got a minute for a problem I encountered after using wubi installer?
[04:51] <Tom_1223> How do I create/renew ath0? I've got eeexubuntu and after a reboot, iwconfig shows only eth0 and lo, no ath0 or other wireless capable devices.
[04:56] <Tom_1223> How do I create/renew ath0? I've got eeexubuntu and after a reboot, iwconfig shows only eth0 and lo, no ath0 or other wireless capable devices.
[04:58] <RandyboY> No need to repeat tat fast. If someone knows, they will answer you.
[04:58] <RandyboY> s/tat/that
[04:58] <Tom_1223> Sorry, info gave message 'need to register', figured the first one didn't go through. So I registered and repeated to be sure.. whoops.
[06:17] <ball> Happy new year
[07:22] <The-Kernel> Is there a good program that will display hard drive activity?
[07:55] <pteague> is there a way to get more than just the cosmos, floating feet, & pictures folder screensavers for xfce?
[07:57] <ball> pteage: flickr ftw ;-)
[07:59] <pteague> i had a friend ask... not sure what she's wanting... will the xscreensavers show up in the applications -> settings -> settings manager -> screensaver list?
[13:33] <Chommik> hello
[13:35] <Chommik> where can i find system requirements for ubuntu/xubuntu?
[13:35] <Chommik> i don't know which system choose for old computer
[13:41] <bad-wire> what sort of comp[uter do you have?
[15:06] <slow-motion> hi
[15:19] <FactTech> Question: I upgraded to intrepid, and now xscreensaver doesn't want to work. I've been poking at it for a couple of days, and I think xscreensaver is working OK, but it's getting bad information from xrandr telling it all screens are disconnected. This is not true; obviously I'm using one.
[15:20] <FactTech> How can I get xrandr to tell the truth?
[15:25] <FactTech> The display I'm using is definitely VGA-0 -- if I log in on a remote terminal, I can deactivate and reactivate it.
[15:25] <FactTech> However, xrandr reports the VGA-0 display as disconnected
[17:02] <Robin_Rowe> Installing xubuntu on ibook. CDROM boots and launches installer. Says it can't detect and mount CDROM. Dmesg says hdb is Toshiba SD-R2002. How do I get installer to see it?
[18:00] <wobbiebobbie> hi peps is there a way to play dvd in xubuntu ( how to link)
[20:42] <kbmaniac> Hi all, trying out xubuntu but having trouble with listen. Can anyone point to any URL that I can add as a web radio feed, I am having zero luck so far and am unsure if its me being dumb or a system issue ?
[20:44] <vinnl> kbmaniac, http://www.di.fm/mp3/vocaltrance.pls
[20:44] <Shaba1> "problems with listen" what do you mean
[20:44] <Shaba1> not that I can help I am an linux newbie myself
[20:44] <vinnl> Note that the first field is the title and the second the URL, which isn't that clear
[20:44] <vinnl> Shaba1, Listen is the name of the music player in the newest version of Xubuntu :)
[20:46] <kbmaniac> cool :) http://www.di.fm/mp3/vocaltrance.pls works
[20:46] <vinnl> Yay :)
[20:47] <kbmaniac> thanks. I am about to build a new multi core system, unsure of KDE4, cant get on with gnome & am trying out xubuntu
[20:47] <vinnl> And, do you like it? :)
[20:48] <Shaba1> what is a .pls file
[20:48] <Shaba1> I am on windows right now btw
[20:48] <vinnl> I believe it's an audio stream, i.e. somewhere music is played and everybody who opens the .pls file listens to it at the same time
[20:50] <kbmaniac> well ... yes :) I tried it a couple (?) of years ago and it was a no, but its really moved on since then. Its clean and efficient. I am a software developer and thinking about what I want a desktop to do
[20:50] <kbmaniac> xubuntu ticks all the boxes
[20:50] <vinnl> ^.^
[20:55] <vinnl> Anyway, I'm off, happy new year everybody :)
[20:55] <kbmaniac> happy new year :) !!!!!
[21:39] <Shaba1> is there a .pls player for windows
[21:39] <Shaba1> ?
[22:09] <zerothis> Assultcube froze my mouse pointer, is there a way to refresh my pointer without rebooting or restarting X?
[22:11] <crimsun> zerothis: not likely
[23:19] <birkoff> Can anyone link me the tweaking guide for the eeepc + xubuntu ?
[23:19] <birkoff> !eeepc


[07:17] <chilicuil> hi, I've just requested to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~chilicuil/ubuntu/trusty/wicd/fix-1132529/+merge/197998 who fixes bug #1132529, I'm unsure however if I should suscribe a team or something, currently only the 'Ubuntu branches' has been suscribed (automatically)
[07:23] <Unit193> chilicuil: I was looking at that earlier this week, all you'd need is lexists.  It's be fixed in upstream bzr to actually work with resolvconf though, so didn't touch it.
[07:26] <chilicuil> Unit193: lexists?, I reviewed upstream code and didn't see anything who could suggest it was fixed, did you test it?
[07:28] <Unit193> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wicd-devel/wicd/experimental/view/head:/wicd/wicd-daemon.py#L1791  But no, I didn't try it.
[07:31] <chilicuil> Unit193: the thing is that even when it exist, os.path.exists will return false when that link exist but is broken, https://bugs.launchpad.net/wicd/+bug/1193856
[07:32] <Unit193> Yes, I know: http://docs.python.org/2/library/os.path.html#os.path.lexists
[07:33] <Unit193> chilicuil: Thanks for taking a look and fixing. :)
[07:33] <dholbach> good morning
[07:33] <Unit193> Howdy.
[07:33] <chilicuil> Unit193: i just took tommy work and formalize it =)
[07:34] <Unit193> The upstream code as it is now seems to check if it's a link, and create a new link as a backup rather than moving, thus breaking, the old link.
[08:34] <dholbach> gaspa, warp10_: do you think we can find somebody in the Italian translations community to have a look at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/? there are like 300 unreviewed, but translated strings :)
[08:36] <warp10_> dholbach: let me check with Gwaihir and the translation team, maybe they want to take care of it
[08:36] <dholbach> warp10, that'd be awesome - like... a lot of the work is already done
[08:37] <dholbach> warp10, and once we get up to 70% translations, we can package it as well
[08:37] <warp10> dholbach: indeed
[08:38] <Noskcaj> Can someone try and merge dahdi-linux? It's a long way off debian
[08:38] <dholbach> warp10, almost 40% is done - I just checked :)
[09:34] <warp10> dholbach: I pinged the FCM translation team as well. Its leader is mapreri, a prospective MOTU who's doing great things in Ubuntu Development: feel free to blackmail him until he applies to the DMB
[09:34] <dholbach> warp10, awesome!
[09:34] <dholbach> :)
[20:13] <Noskcaj> cjwatson, Mind if i merge elilo? It's not had an ubuntu upload since O-series
[21:33] <ricotz> debfx, hi :), maybe you like to grab those vbox packages for trusty https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/virtualization/+packages
[22:20] <debfx> ricotz: another debian developer is working on updating the vbox package to 4.3, he'll probably upload it to debian shortly.


[12:46]  * sagaci wonders if firefox will die with 450 tabs opened at once
[13:20] <head_victim> sagaci: nice, how is the land of swap going ;)
[13:21] <head_victim> On a side note, apparently I fail at bind and webservers
[13:21] <sagaci> using 2GB ram
[13:25] <sagaci> actually not too bad, didn't want to force it but I just got rid of tab by tab at a time
[13:52] <head_victim> I'm having all sorts of dramas with this repository.
[13:53] <head_victim> No idea what happened but the mirror got out of sync that I was syncing to and I'd left the --delete flag in.
[13:53] <head_victim> 40gb lost later :P


[02:34] <IrcsomeBot3> <Azam Fadil-lillah> Nicee
[09:20] <IrcsomeBot3> Emilio Bono was added by: Emilio Bono
[10:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:52] <IrcsomeBot3> <Azam Fadil-lillah> 😅😅 at noon now.. … In my pleace
[10:52] <IrcsomeBot3> <Azam Fadil-lillah> 😅 at noon now
[10:56] <syddel> Good morning, BluesKaj
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hi syddel
[10:58] <syddel> A T460s running Kubuntu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpeicB5J4I8
[11:00] <IrcsomeBot3> <Azam Fadil-lillah> @syddel, Nice
[11:01] <syddel> I always buy secondhand ThinkPads (T or X series) to run Linux. I find they're very Linux friendly (and I do need teraflops of processing power).
[11:02] <syddel> You can also pick them up for peanuts.
[11:06] <BluesKaj> too late my Lenovo G500 bit the dust a while back so i just oredered a Dell 5580
[11:10] <syddel> BluesKaj: I've never had a "G series" Lenovo. I always stick to the T or X models.
[11:11] <syddel> Here's a T460 running Kubuntu 17.10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNwfl4eB6M
[11:11] <BluesKaj> it's unfortunate because the G500 was a well performing laptop
[11:13] <BluesKaj> very linux friendly etc
[11:14] <syddel> I have an X260. I've dropped it, spilt coffee on it, accidentally slept on top of it (etc). It just keeps going.
[13:30] <syddel> Hello everyone :)
[13:45] <BluesKaj> wb
[13:57] <syddel> Switched over to irssi - just trying to get used to the commands/key combos.
[14:01] <syddel> BluesKaj: Do you use Kubuntu?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> yes, this channel is for kubuntu support
[14:27] <BluesKaj> syddel,^
[15:19] <syddel> I really enjoy the "blur" effect that can applied to Konsole. I hope this trickles down to 18.04 soon.
[15:21] <syddel> I have 18.04 on my work machine, but use 18.10 on my personal laptop.
[20:57] <oodsway> looking for help with a login issue
[20:58] <oodsway> after reboot, keyboard and mouse freeze if I don't login promptly
[21:04] <Roey{-> hi
[21:04] <Roey{-> why don't I hear osund??
[21:05] <Roey{-> sound*
[21:05] <Roey{-> through the standard device anyway
[21:05] <Roey{-> I don't see the device listed.
[21:05] <Roey{-> in pavucontrol I mean.
[21:50] <Roey{-> hello all
[21:50] <Roey{-> anyone here?
 did you try alsamixer?
 might be muted there
[21:52] <Roey{-> Hello all, I'm trying to figure out why I don't see my sound device after I upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 -> 18.10.  I don't see it with the command "pavucontrol" at all (there are no audio devices in the "Output Devices" tab aside from some port on my monitor)!
 @Roey{-> Hello all, I'm trying to figure out why I don't see my sound device after I upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 -, The followintg audio packages are installed on my system.  Ensure yours matches.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CWk9Wk8s2f/
[23:42] <Roey{-> hmm
 quick command to check:  apt list *audio* | grep installed
[23:48] <Roey{-> ok
[23:49] <Roey{-> DarinMiller: I hand-checked each package and verified that they are installed.
 Does your system tray contain an audio icon?
[23:50] <Roey{-> ahhh thank you!!! one moment lemme put my stuff up
[23:50] <Roey{-> DarinMiller: https://pastebin.com/DhUGy1be
[23:51] <Roey{-> so I see the volume icon
[23:52] <Roey{-> and when I prss it, it shows "Audio Volume", with two tabs, Ddevices and Applicatoins.  Under Devices it lists "HDMI/DisplayPort3" (meaning the video card) and "Microphone".
 And if you right click on it, select Configure Audio Volume, what do you see on the Audio Volume -> Advanced tab?
[23:56] <Roey{-> DarinMiller: I see QuickCam and HDA NVidia
[23:57] <Roey{-> DarinMiller: but nothing about my integrated sound card
 On the Advance tab, try changing the Built-in-Audio Profile ot Analog Stereo Duplex


[13:32] <hiperbolt> Hello Ubuntu Community :)
[13:56] <rserit> hello everybody
[14:45] <dholbach> hey hey hey
[14:47] <rserit> hey hey
[14:57] <Guest88946> Will ubuntu be available for oneplus one
[14:58] <dholbach> we are going to start in a few mins :)
[14:58] <sortofbuddhist> :)
[14:59] <dholbach> if you ask questions, make sure you prefix them with QUESTION:
[14:59] <dholbach> so we can more easily pick them up
[14:59] <dholbach> ie: QUESTION: What's a Mycroft?
[14:59] <dholbach> :-)
[14:59] <dpm> hi everyone!
[14:59] <dpm> o/
[15:00] <clobrano> hi
[15:00] <dpm> hey :)
[15:00] <Guest88946> Hi
[15:00] <clobrano> dholbach, is an open source AI :)
[15:00] <Bujang> Testtt
[15:00] <mhall119> hello everyone
[15:00] <dholbach> clobrano, well, I needed a question to demonstrate :)
[15:00] <pavakpaul> mycroft: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aiforeveryone/mycroft-an-open-source-artificial-intelligence-for
[15:00] <Guest88946> Question ; will Ubuntu be available for oneplus one
[15:00] <willcooke> hi all, excited to hear from Ryan today
[15:01] <clobrano> dholbach, sorry, I missed the first part of your message :D
[15:01] <dholbach> no worries :)
[15:02] <pavakpaul> Guest88946 , yes if anyone ports it.
[15:02] <amp> Hi guys. I have a question that I always forgot to ask.
[15:02] <mhall119> amp: ask it now then
[15:02] <amp> Now I have written it down and hopefully you will answer it.
[15:02] <dholbach> just make sure you prefix your questions with QUESTION:
[15:02] <amp> QUESTION recently we saw a video showing legacy X11 applications running on Mir/Unity8. Are these apps running in the same isolated/secure fashion as native SDK apps do? I mean, can I be sure that a proprietary legacy app that I'm running on the next-gen Ubuntu cannot see any of my other files/open apps/sensitive system data? How much is changed security-wise between old Ubuntu and future Ubuntu FOR LEGACY APPS?
[15:03] <willcooke> dpm, we're live
[15:04] <pavakpaul_> @ microft team, congratulations on reaching your goal. I am very happy :)
[15:04] <dpm> \o/
[15:05] <dholbach> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aiforeveryone/mycroft-an-open-source-artificial-intelligence-for for those of you who are new to Mycroft and what they're doing :)
[15:05] <theBest> QUESTION: If the mycroft team wont reach the first stretch goal, will you implement the desktop interface for Ubuntu anyway at some point?
[15:05] <PC_Ubunty_Guy> This is pretty cool to see everyone in this Hangout.
[15:06] <ndg> QUESTION Can the mobile layout in Unity8 double as a big picture mode for large displays and TVs?
[15:06] <dpm> wow, lots of good questions from the start today, keep them coming!
[15:07] <dholbach> QUESTION: Why did you pick Ubuntu and Snappy Ubuntu Core as a basis?
[15:07] <pavakpaul_> because Ubuntu is the best ;)
[15:07] <justCarakas> QUESTION do you think that implementing mycroft in ubuntu will give the same privacy response as cortana on Windows 10
[15:08] <ptidav38090> hello ubuntu on air
[15:09] <justCarakas> QUESTION will the voice to text conversion also be open source ?
[15:09] <dholbach> we're queuing up the questions, keep them coming!
[15:10] <ptidav38090> when mycroft is on the space?
[15:11] <dholbach> if you ask questions, make sure you prefix them with QUESTION:
[15:11] <pavakpaul_> QUESTION: Will be the Mycroft speech to text part installed on the device locally or on the cloud? I'd love to have it locally for privacy.
[15:11] <dholbach> ptidav38090, what do you mean by "on the space"?
[15:11] <SEV__07> speaking about open source personal assistents I would suggest to check out Sirius
[15:11] <SEV__07> http://sirius.clarity-lab.org/
[15:11] <nops> hi every
[15:11] <ptidav38090> some robots are in
[15:13] <PC_Ubunty_Guy> :-)
[15:13] <dpm> we'll come to answering the questions soon, Ryan is currently sharing some exciting news right now :)
[15:16] <dholbach> QUESTION: How many folks are working on Mycroft?
[15:16] <ptidav38090> i'm really excited to real ia experience to know all without speak
[15:16] <mhall119> keep asking questions, we're going to get through the mycroft related ones first, but we will answer non-mycroft questions too
[15:17] <mhall119> that link again: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aiforeveryone/mycroft-an-open-source-artificial-intelligence-for/comments
[15:18] <pavakpaul_> yup, I backed, a tiny amount BTW ;)
[15:19] <dholbach> QUESTION: How long have you been planning and scheming Mycroft already?
[15:19] <mhall119> Ryan's blog post about using Snappy: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/09/04/snappy-ubuntu-mycroft-love/
[15:19] <dpm> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/09/04/snappy-ubuntu-mycroft-love/
[15:19] <amp> In case you filter questions with QUESTION: (with the colon), I ask my question (w/o colon) again:
[15:19] <amp> QUESTION: recently we saw a video showing legacy X11 applications running on Mir/Unity8. Are these apps running in the same isolated/secure fashion as native SDK apps do? I mean, can I be sure that a proprietary legacy app that I'm running on the next-gen Ubuntu cannot see any of my other files/open apps/sensitive system data? How much is changed security-wise between old Ubuntu and future Ubuntu FOR LEGACY APPS?
[15:20] <mhall119> amp: we've got yours :)
[15:20] <LeFromage> hi all
[15:20] <dpm> hi LeFromage
[15:21] <pavakpaul_> hahahaha
[15:21] <dpm> amp, we've got yourquestion on the list already, thanks! But we thought we'd start the Mycroft-related questions first today. We'll be answering yours soon too!
[15:21] <SEV__07> come on there is no more such thing as privacy
[15:22] <SEV__07> You can't be sure what is happening on the server side
[15:22] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Any chance we could see mycroft support on the Ubuntu Phone?
[15:22] <rserit> No answer :/
[15:22] <dholbach> rserit, mh?
[15:22] <returntrip> QUESTION: I joined late. Will Ryan showcase Mycroft today?
[15:22] <thagabe> That sounds very appealing
[15:22] <ptidav38090> i find snappy on software library is chilling
[15:22] <pavakpaul_> @Knightmare , yes, there will be
[15:22] <thagabe> That's why i supported this project
[15:23] <Knightmare> awesome
[15:23] <rserit> That is good news.
[15:24] <thagabe> quick question what is the difference btw the $100 pledge and the $130?
[15:24] <Knightmare> QUESTION: How far does the mycroft team plan to go with feature parity when compared against google and microsofts offerings?
[15:24] <ptidav38090> if it's open on unity windows i download it
[15:25] <theBest> QUESTION: How much is canonical involved in mycroft? Do you work together?
[15:25] <ycdmdj> I would like opensource service that will use my data to get better. That is OK. It is not necessary to store everything and just learn from it I thing.
[15:25] <davidcalle> QUESTION: Will people be able to provide "snaps" to enhance Mycroft, eg. YouTube data provider, if yes, which language would be supported?
[15:25] <rserit> I wonder too <theBest>
[15:25] <thagabe> Open source everything
[15:26] <iBobX> Hi
[15:26] <ptidav38090> ia is work together without help
[15:26] <davidcalle> (YouTube is a bad example since it's already planned, but you get the idea :) )
[15:26] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Is there any planned collaboration between the mycroft and sirius teams? (http://sirius.clarity-lab.org/)
[15:27] <returntrip> QUESTION: WIll you have an Android companion app? Will you also sell the "extendable" backplate as an option in case I want to upgrade my basic unit to an extendable unit?
[15:28] <ptidav38090> QUESTION: who is a man he speak of ia is dangerous
[15:29] <Knightmare> QUESTION: What measures have been taken to prevent a nation state or run of the mill script kiddie owning this service and mining data? (Yes I know the paranoia is tangible :D )
[15:29] <thagabe> Hey there is a hackathon coming up in CAL maybe mycroft could provide apis or reps to make people want to make a project with mycroft
[15:29] <thagabe> ^ oct 9 to the 11th
[15:29] <ptidav38090> stephen hawking
[15:29] <willcooke>  QUESTION:  How will Mycroft fund the server backends etc?  Will there be a subscription model?
[15:29] <willcooke> (I'm lagging a bit here, maybe this has already been answered)
[15:30] <ptidav38090> QUESTION: you know stephen hawking?
[15:30] <clobrano> QUESTION: current available AIs miss of interaction abilities (e.g. ask for clarification), they just take input once and try and do the best action. Have you planned to implement some kind of interaction in multiple steps?
[15:30] <theBest> QUESTION: How will a ubuntu store look/work with all the snapy apps in it for different devices like phone, desktop, mycroft, robots, fridges...
[15:30] <thagabe> Remember the US gov can send you a request to query to release everything to them
[15:31] <ptidav38090> very interesting subject
[15:33] <ycdmdj> clobrano, yes there is some interaction in Cortana. example: I think set alarm
[15:33] <TFujiwara> QUESTION: Will be an API o repositories avariable for the public (for making hackathons or making a project based on mycroft)?
[15:33] <clobrano> ycdmdj, Oh, nice, I've actually never tried cortana
[15:34] <ptidav38090> me too clobrano it use bing
[15:34] <thagabe> TFujiwara: i think the kickstarter said they would have open api
[15:34] <clobrano> but still, the problem in understanding the input could be avoided using multiple step interaction
[15:35] <clobrano> also, is something *expected* from the user point of view, more than just repeating the same command multiple times
[15:35] <ptidav38090> i prefer use my finger to tape on google
[15:35] <ptidav38090> or click on soft
[15:36] <kei> what special about mycroft
[15:36] <ptidav38090> QUESTION: up kei
[15:37] <iBobX> Sorry the question. Is this technology being developed in what? C? Is it based on ANNs, Will it learn with time?
[15:37] <dholbach> if you want your question to be asked, make sure you prefix it with QUESTION:, so we can more easily pick them up
[15:38] <ptidav38090> snappy is beta for me
[15:38] <ptidav38090> is not for mister worldwide
[15:39] <iBobX> QUESTION: Is this technology being developed in what? C? Is it based on ANNs, Will it learn with time?
[15:40] <ptidav38090> iBobX: i'm very happy to learn with time of mycroft
[15:41] <ptidav38090> with mycroft
[15:41] <ThunderSquid> QUESTION: (Non-Mycroft) Are rotatable scopes being worked on?
[15:42] <ptidav38090> iBobX: QUESTION up iBobX learn is important
[15:46] <thagabe> How does microft connect to iot's?
[15:46] <thagabe> also why myroft and not jarvis?
[15:46] <dholbach> if you want your question to be asked, make sure you prefix it with QUESTION:, so we can more easily pick them up
[15:46] <thagabe> ok
[15:47] <ptidav38090> ia is a baby was born of nothing
[15:47] <thagabe> QUESTION: How does Mycroft communicate with Chromecast, computer, etc?
[15:47] <SEV__07> dude mycroft because they created it this way and they put the name, but i'm sure you can change the initiating command by jarvis
[15:48] <SEV__07> may be they inspired them selves from Mycroft Holmes, the brother of Sherlock Holmes
[15:48] <returntrip> QUESTION: Will Mycroft interface with SONOS speakers?
[15:49] <dragonbite> I love that drone conecpt (even better, the coffee one!) :)
[15:49] <thagabe> SEV__07: Ah makes sense now
[15:50] <thagabe> jb poppey?
[15:52] <ptidav38090> it's really interesting to mycroft make end of world
[15:53] <mhall119> \o/ PythoN!
[15:53] <dholbach> woohoo - python! :)
[15:54] <ycdmdj> thumbs up
[15:54] <ubugnu> yay!
[15:54] <davidcalle> \o/
[15:55] <ptidav38090> maybe is a little word in python
[15:56] <iBobX> ptidav38090: Yeah, it seems like an asistent with voice recognition but with fixed pre-programmed uses, not an AI with learning capabilities, maybe I am mistaken, that's why my question...
[15:56] <dpm> http://sirius.clarity-lab.org
[15:56] <ptidav38090> iBobX: i know
[15:59] <iBobX> mycroft.ai.what?
[15:59] <ptidav38090> iBobX: i want too
[15:59] <ubugnu> https://mycroft.ai/blog/?
[15:59] <iBobX> thanks
[16:00] <ptidav38090> thanks ubugnu
[16:01] <iBobX> ptidav38090: Me too, I'd love to have a virtual assistent who learn from my and my stuff, but lives on my machine (not in the cloud)...
[16:02] <iBobX> I mean, me and my stuff :)
[16:02] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone for your questions!
[16:02] <iBobX> Let's see...
[16:02] <mhall119> less than 2 days left in the Mycroft campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aiforeveryone/mycroft-an-open-source-artificial-intelligence-for/
[16:03] <iBobX> I'd love to know if it will be an AI that can learn with time...
[16:03] <mhall119> http://mhall119.com/2015/09/share-a-link-win-a-mycroft/
[16:03] <iBobX> I'd love to know if it will be an AI that can learn with time (from us), before go to kickstarter and bake the project...
[16:03] <thagabe> if you can open up the $130 again that would be nice
[16:06] <iBobX> Bye
[16:06] <ptidav38090> bye
[16:06] <davidcalle> Thanks all!
[16:06] <dholbach> :)
[16:16] <ptidav38090> is not french