[01:07] <ryanakca> what's the difference between libqt4-core-kdecopy and libqt4-core ?
[01:18] <jdong> ryanakca: IANAKD but one's specifically for KDe4 to build against, while the latter is for everything else
[01:20] <ryanakca> jdong: kk, thanks
[01:29] <toma> IANAKD?
[01:29] <jdong> not a KDE developer?
[01:29] <toma> ah
[01:31] <toma> IAAKD you are right, it contains some patches from kde for qt, some of which will be released in a next qt release, for the next alpha kde4  kde will depend on it, because of qt network problems for example.
[01:32] <toma> not only from kde but also from the trolls.
[01:33] <jdong> cool
[01:40] <Riddell> nixternal: http://www.nixternal.com/pkg/kdocs-edgy/ is empty
[01:41] <Riddell> nixternal: feist looks good though
[02:06] <nixternal> heh, I thought I uploaded the edgy :) will do now
[02:09] <Riddell> thanks nixternal
[02:09] <nixternal> should be up in about 10+ minutes
[02:09] <nixternal> no problem
[02:10] <nixternal> I am going to get a gutsy docs package complete in the next couple of days as well, that way there it will be all "Gutsy" so people aren't filing bugs saying "Feisty"
[02:16] <nixternal> Riddell: I got to drink an irn-bru today, definitely an acquired taste
[02:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: now that I think of it... the possibilities are endless for that notify script... you could have it process auth.log for invalid logins, monitor system ressources, etc, All from a remote desktop
[02:18] <nixternal> yup
[02:18] <nixternal> hopefully the dude on kde-apps will merge his split windows in with yakuake, so that I will be able to have quad terms in one yakuake window
[02:19] <ryanakca> cool
[02:19] <nixternal> since i changed the ports on my server, my ssh ports, nobody tries dictionary attacks anymore
[02:21] <ryanakca> nixternal: A couple of years ago... on the Fedora or Debian or Ubuntu (or any other distro I had been using), there had been to a link to HOWTO for a Transparent, borderless, scrollbarless, terminal, glued to your background... in KDE
[02:21] <ryanakca> any idea where I could find it?
[02:21] <nixternal> Riddell: the edgy packages is there now
[02:21] <ryanakca> it would be nice for irssi and screen...
[02:28] <nixternal> I use yakuake for irssi
[02:29] <nixternal> time to go work on my c++ project
[02:29] <nixternal> back later
[02:29] <crimsun> he's back in the clutches of Vista.
[02:29] <ryanakca> see yeah
[02:29] <ryanakca> lol
[02:31] <Tm_T> ryanakca: for terminal blended to background, how about Eterm? ;)
[02:31] <ryanakca> Tm_T: yeah.   When I was trying to kill my gutsy chroot, I just rm -rf'ed it.  Well, my home directory was mounted in the chroot.  OOPS.
[03:17] <crimsun> as in bind-mount?  Ouch.
[03:17] <manchicken> Yeah.
[03:17] <manchicken> As in bind-mount.
[03:18] <crimsun> yeah, that's the #1 caveat that's stated in most good chroot how-tos.
[03:18] <manchicken> Lucky for me, while I'm not smart enough not to delete my home directory, I was wise enough to have daily backups.
[03:18] <crimsun> :)
[03:18] <manchicken> I'm still cleaning up the backups.
[03:19] <manchicken> That was not pretty.
[03:19] <manchicken> I was also smart enough to make my pop3 settings leave messages on servers for 48 hours.
[03:20] <manchicken> I just can't believe I did that.
[03:20] <manchicken> heh
[03:20] <ryanakca> manchicken: sounds fun ;)
[03:20] <manchicken> manchicken: Heaps.
[02:50] <Riddell> marseillai_: revu'ed mplayerthumbs, a couple of comments
[02:50] <Riddell> someone else has revu'ed ftp daemon
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell
[02:55] <Riddell> it is?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i must have missed ettiquite 225, involving how you should interrupt a boss who's speaking to a customer, or other person, to announce your presence.  and how you should not go and start the evening's work without this interruption
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[02:57] <_marseillais_> Riddell, for ftpmonitor i've make change and repair what need to be repair (i think it's good now) and a motu is currently looking at it and for mplayerthumb i'll look at it right now and make changes this evening or tomorrow!
[02:57] <_marseillais_> and thanks for your revu
[02:59] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Wrong course.  Is-sucks-to-work-for-the-man 101: Course lecture Rule 1: The boss is always right no matter what - Rule 2: If the boss is wrong, see rule 1.
[02:59] <Riddell> ScottK: were you doing the spec about opensync working everywhere?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hah
[02:59] <ScottK> Riddell: No.  Not me.
[03:00] <_marseillais_> Riddell, i'll take a look for the conflict with libarts1-xine... but tell me if i'm wrong but mplayerthumb can be in main and include in official release and bring support for thumbnailing in kubuntu and konqueror. No?
[03:00] <Riddell> marseillai_: no, it depends on mplayer
[03:00] <Riddell> marseillai_: the conflict isn't a major issue, it's just nice not to have it if possible
[03:01] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i was aware fo that.  that applies to the big boss.
[03:02] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Rule 3: Every boss thinks he's the big boss.
[03:02] <_marseillais_> i'll take a look for conflict but if i remind well libarts1-xine and mplayerthumbs try to install the same file
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ScottK: heh.  this one routinely makes errors, (all people must be given 3 hour shifts minimum, not 1.5 hours, there should be enough registers out for all the staff you have rostered to work), and just plain illegal stuff that she tries to impose.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> so "just obeying" her is something i'm not going to do, in every circumstance :P
[03:03] <Hobbsee> but still, she's leaving.  woo!
[03:03] <Hobbsee> just when...
[03:05] <ScottK> Being bossed is unpleasant.  Being the boss is unpleasant.  Just get out as soon as you can....
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:06] <ScottK> IMHO of course.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> actually, i've had some bosses that *seriously rocked*
[03:16] <crimsun> not unlike being bossed by users.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> true
[03:33] <manchicken> I don't mind working for other folks, but I'm really digging my working from home lifestyle.
[03:39] <manchicken> I'm asking around the GNU services directory to see if anybody would fix that kernel bug with HP lappies not suspending properly.
[03:40] <crimsun> I _think_ that has already been narrowed
[03:40] <crimsun> let me dig in my overflowing inbox
[03:40] <manchicken> Still doesn't work for my laptop.
[03:40] <manchicken> That makes me a sad panda.
[03:40] <crimsun> even with that acpi changeset reverted?
[03:40] <manchicken> It worked fine under Edgy.
[03:41] <manchicken> Is that in the latest feisty updates?
[03:41] <crimsun> no
[03:41] <crimsun> sec, my inbox is about 690k messages, and I'm on a 56kbps dialup
[03:42] <manchicken> Righto.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> poor crimsun
[03:43] <manchicken> Have you all ever looked at the FSF services directory?
[03:44] <manchicken> They have the author off GNU Fortran on there, several others  as well.
[03:44] <manchicken> Very neat stuff.
[03:45] <crimsun> hmm, I guess it's not the same bug
[03:46] <crimsun> this one (#80893) deals with audio
[03:46] <crimsun> sorry
[03:46] <crimsun> (inaudible audio upon resume from suspend-to-disk)
[03:48] <manchicken> Not a problem.
[03:48] <manchicken> Gosh, get my hopes up and dash them will ya ;)
[03:48] <manchicken> Naw, these are known bugs: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5884
[03:48] <ubotu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 5884 in Power-Battery "compaq 2110us/hp nx9005 will not resume from suspend to ram" [Normal,Assigned]
[03:48] <manchicken> Wrong version though...
[03:49] <manchicken> Nevermind, I'll find some pertinent bugs.
[03:50] <manchicken> Interesting.  This isn't an outstanding bug on the kernel folks' bug tracker...
[03:55] <manchicken> crimsun: This looks like it may be the issue... http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7780
[03:55] <ubotu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 7780 in Power-Sleep-Wake "System hangs when suspending to RAM - SATA" [High,New]
[03:55] <manchicken> But that's about SATA...
[03:55] <manchicken> I didn't even think it could be a disk controller issue... I suppose it could be a number of things, eh?
[04:08] <manchicken> hmm... lspci doesn't list an SATA controller.
[04:08] <manchicken> It lists a dual channel IDE controller.
[04:08] <manchicken> I thought lappies were all on SATA these days.
[04:12] <manchicken> I'm gonna blacklist driverloader and see if that's the issue.
[04:30] <manchicken_> crimsun: I found the problem.  It seems to be with linuxant's driverloader module.
[04:31] <crimsun> manchicken_: ok
[04:31] <manchicken_> Since that's proprietary horsecrap, I'll bother their support folks for a fix.
[06:22] <bddebian> Heya
[06:31] <nixternal> boo
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Is Linspire based on Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[07:10] <yuriy> afaik it uses kde if that's what you mean
[07:11] <ScottK> Neither yet in the released versions.
[07:13] <DaSkreech> I know
[07:14] <DaSkreech> but it insists it's based on Ubuntu
[07:14] <ScottK> OK.  Just making sure.
[07:14] <DaSkreech> yuriy: that really doesn't make a difference if all they are using is ubuntu-base then building their own KDE
[07:44] <mhb> so many folks keep thinking that Kubuntu/Ubuntu has brought nothing new for the FLOSS community as a whole... is there any article or web page about it that I can point them to?
[07:47] <DaSkreech> Point to a google search for try out linux ubuntu
[07:48] <DaSkreech> Tell them that's the number of new people it brought to the community :-D
[08:13] <mhb> DaSkreech: sure, but there's more that that, I believe
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Guidance?
[08:14] <mhb> DaSkreech: guidance as in the Python frontend collection? It's not much used outside Kubuntu, AFAIK.
[08:15] <DaSkreech> Well it's in the KDE Kollective
[08:15] <mhb> DaSkreech: but I don't want to argue, just wondered if there's a list
[08:15] <DaSkreech> System settings as well AFAIK
[08:16] <DaSkreech> And no I don't know of a list
[08:20] <_StefanS_> heeeloo
[08:40] <marseillai> i got a question! i would like to pass an argument to configure with cdbs. i've try :DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS += --libdir="${prefix}/lib/ftpmonitor" ; DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS +=--libdir=$$prefix/lib/ftpmonitor and none of them work ...
[08:40] <marseillai> any idea ?
[08:41] <_StefanS_> export it
[08:41] <marseillai> _StefanS_: ??
[08:42] <_StefanS_> VAR1=test && export VAR1
[08:42] <_StefanS_> marseillai: where are you trying to set the variables ?
[08:42] <_StefanS_> marseillai: in the shell?
[08:43] <marseillai> no
[08:43] <marseillai> in a CDBS package
[08:43] <marseillai> sorry
[08:43] <marseillai> i forgot to say that
[08:44] <_StefanS_> uhm..
[08:44] <_StefanS_> sorry, try #debian or something
[08:44] <nixternal> DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --libdir="${prefix}/lib/ftpmonitor"
[08:44] <nixternal> try that one at all?
[08:45] <marseillai> nop
[08:45] <marseillai> but i don't think it's the problem
[08:45] <nixternal> I just looked at a couple of my packages and all of the extra flags tend to look like that
[08:46] <nixternal> your includes are good?
[08:46] <marseillai> because the lib is locate in /lib instead of /usr/lib
[08:47] <marseillai> let's try again
[08:59] <marseillai> nixternal: using DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --libdir="${prefix}/lib/ftpmonitor" my lib is in : /lib/ftpmonitor/
[09:17] <manchicken> So are restricted modules now default install for feisty?
[09:18] <ScottK> Install yes, activated no.
[09:19] <manchicken> That's unfortunate.  If we do the GNUbuntu thing like I've heard word of, I wonder if it'll be just as easy to switch to that as it is to switch to Kubuntu from Ubuntu...
[09:19] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Need your opinion
[09:19] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I have a lot of those :)
[09:19] <DaSkreech> Oh I don't need those :)
[09:19] <DaSkreech> They are used :)
[09:19] <manchicken> Nice.
[09:20] <DaSkreech> have you seen the Free Ubuntu for Gutsy?
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Do you think that's raining on Gnubuntu's parade ?
[09:20] <manchicken> Naw.  I haven't.
[09:20] <manchicken> I'm running a Free install of Kubuntu right now though.
[09:21] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I'm very excited about Free Ubuntu for Gutsy though.
[09:21] <manchicken> DaSkreech: As long as it comes in a KDE flavour I'll be happy.
[09:21] <DaSkreech> And it's not conflicting with Gnewsense in your head?
[09:21] <manchicken> Personally, I think we should just have Ubuntu-free and Kubuntu-free.
[09:22] <manchicken> DaSkreech: gNewSense seems like a project conceived in self-righteous indignation.  I'm leery of such things.
[09:22] <DaSkreech> Well...
[09:23] <manchicken> DaSkreech: It was a "we're mad at X Y and Z for doing something we don't like, so we're going to prove we're better by doing this..." or so it seems to me.
[09:23] <DaSkreech> I'm more thinking about naolith pitching it and getting no help and after it's released and there is interest there is now suddenly a Ubuntu project doing the same thing
[09:23] <manchicken> I don't care whether I'm better than someone or not.  I just want an environment where I get freedom.
[09:24] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I think that's largely reactionary.  Ubuntu is catching a lot of community flack for bundling non-free drivers (as they should) and they're trying to quiet the criticism it seems.
[09:24] <ScottK> manchicken: IIRC, restricted was always installed.  It's just easier to get to now.
[09:24] <DaSkreech> So nearly freespire linspire ?
[09:25] <manchicken> It would be so easy for Ubuntu to have "Ubuntu" and then "Ubuntu with non-free drivers"
[09:25] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Those projects care nothing of freedom.  "Freespire" is focused on free as in beer, not as in speech.
[09:25] <ScottK> DaSkreech: freespire is talking about freedom like beer, not freedom.
[09:25] <DaSkreech> Two ISOs?
[09:25] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Precisely.
[09:25] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Yeah i know but it's still reactionary
[09:26] <marseillai> Riddell: for mplayerthumb i have to keep the conflicts with libarts1-xine ....
[09:26] <DaSkreech> More to save face than being practical
[09:26] <manchicken> DaSkreech: That way the default Ubuntu would have no non-free bundling, but there would be a non-free bundle for those who want it.
[09:26] <DaSkreech> manchicken: But two ISOs?
[09:26] <manchicken> DaSkreech: Yeah.
[09:26] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[09:26] <manchicken> DaSkreech: That would shut everybody up I think.
[09:27] <DaSkreech> I like the way they are doing it better
[09:27] <manchicken> I think that's the only way to shut it up.
[09:27] <manchicken> I don't even think gnubuntu will quiet the criticism.
[09:27] <DaSkreech> manchicken: you underestimate the voice of people who like the balance
[09:27] <manchicken> DaSkreech: You either are free, or you are not free.  There is no balance to be found.
[09:28] <ScottK> There are some who will never be happy until Ubuntu ships only 100% free.  They want "freedom" by restricting other people's choices.
[09:28] <DaSkreech> manchicken: You miss my point :)
[09:28] <DaSkreech> emonkey-f: Hi
[09:28] <Riddell> marseillai: ok
[09:28] <manchicken> ScottK: If I had a choice of ISOs (one with and one without non-free drivers) then it would be a choice.
[09:29] <marseillai> i upload it soon
[09:29] <manchicken> ScottK: As it stands now, it isn't a choice.
[09:29] <ScottK> manchicken: Sure.  If no non-free code runs on your system, does it really matter so much it takes up disk space?
[09:29] <manchicken> ScottK: Yes.
[09:29] <ScottK> manchicken: But why are you upset now, Ubuntu has always been that way.
[09:29] <ScottK> OK.
[09:29] <manchicken> ScottK: I'm not.
[09:30] <ScottK> Or so I'm told anyway...
[09:30] <manchicken> ScottK: I'm just unhappy with it.
[09:30] <manchicken> And I've always been unhappy with it.
[09:30] <ScottK> Fair enough.
[09:30] <manchicken> For me, it's easy enough to just purge linux-restricted-modules.
[09:30] <ScottK> Well it looks like sabdfl is trying to do the right thing for Gutsy to give another choice.
[09:30] <manchicken> But as it stands right now the critics are right.
[09:30] <manchicken> Another choice would be good.
[09:31] <DaSkreech> manchicken: you want to change the marketing though
[09:31] <manchicken> I think having "-free" (e.g. Kubuntu-free) would be better than GNUbuntu.
[09:31] <manchicken> DaSkreech: How does marketing enter into this?
[09:31] <DaSkreech> It's being called GNUbuntu?
[09:32] <DaSkreech> You said you wanted Ubuntu and Ubuntu-non free
[09:32] <manchicken> DaSkreech: According to a mailing list post I saw from Shuttleworth.
[09:32] <ScottK> Yes, but it's a chicken/egg problem.  Linux can't get enough market share unless it "Just works" on lots of hardware and no one goes out of their way to support free drivers without market share.  How do you get started.  It's a hard problem.
[09:32] <Riddell> it's not gnubuntu, that's just a codename
[09:32] <DaSkreech> Where Ubuntu has always been non-free
[09:32] <manchicken> DaSkreech: I would like to see free be the default, and non-free be the outlier, but I'll take what I can get.
[09:32] <DaSkreech> so it would make more sense to have a Ubuntu-free
[09:32] <manchicken> ScottK: This I understand.
[09:32] <manchicken> ScottK: Which is why it's a discomfort for me, not an outrage :)
[09:32] <ScottK> OK.  I can understand that.
[09:33] <manchicken> ScottK: But for those of us who do want a completely free ISO, it'd be nice to have one.
[09:33] <ScottK> Sure.
[09:33] <manchicken> ScottK: If I really thought Ubuntu was such a terrible thing, do you think I'd contribute or attend UDS? :P
[09:33] <ScottK> manchicken: Of course not.
[09:34] <ScottK> Ask nixternal about people who used to be in the military.  They tend to try and understand with a sharp stick.
[09:34] <manchicken> ScottK: I do think they're easy enough to purge.  Much of this is just my frustration with asshats who like to think they're better than everybody else.
[09:34] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Is it long and pointy ?
[09:35] <ScottK> No.  That's somebody else entirely.
[09:35] <DaSkreech> It is?
[09:35] <ScottK> More like blunt, solid, and applied with great vigor.
[09:35] <DaSkreech> I blame nixternal! :)
[09:35] <manchicken> ScottK: I think the big point that folks keep missing is that it's not Ubuntu's fault that the drivers are non-free, and it's not Ubuntu's fault that the user bought the hardware.  It's only Ubuntu's fault that they're trying to package a system that just works.
[09:35] <manchicken> ScottK: How much vigor?
[09:35] <ScottK> manchicken: Agree 100%
[09:36] <DaSkreech> They should beat with vim!
[09:36] <ScottK> Whatever it takes to get the job done.
[09:36] <ScottK> Mission is first priority.
[09:36] <DaSkreech> Bug 1
[09:36] <DaSkreech> #1
[09:37] <marseillai> is it a BIG problem for a package if is install a lib in /usr/lib even if he is alone to use it ?
[09:47] <Riddell> marseillai: it's not a problem at all
[09:47] <marseillai> arf
[09:47] <marseillai> since two days i try to solve it
[09:48] <marseillai> so if it's not a problem : ftpmonitor is upload to revu too ! :)
[10:18] <ryanakca> hmm... is there a Qt port of gdebi? or an Adept equivalent?
[10:19] <Riddell> ryanakca: no, mhb is working on one
[10:19] <ryanakca> (for setting up, when you download a .deb in firefox or konqueror)
[10:19] <Riddell> although konqueror has the primitive right click menu item
[10:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: ah, kk. C++ I presume?
[10:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: even on webpages?
[10:20] <Riddell> ryanakca: no, it's python
[10:20] <Riddell> is gdebi
[10:20] <ryanakca> Weeee!
[10:20] <Riddell> right click menu thing is a bash script
[10:21] <Riddell> don't think it'll appear for web pages
[10:21] <ryanakca> Ah. thanks
[10:21] <ryanakca> ah, google summer of code. I guess he's on his own then?
[10:22] <Riddell> yes
[10:22] <ryanakca> kk
[10:22] <Riddell> he has a branch in launchpad's gdebi product
[10:22] <ryanakca> Thanks
[10:49] <sb73542> hello, is anyone aware of progress being made in fixing some major kde guidance / kcontrol bugs in kubuntu 7.04?
[10:50] <sb73542> i've filed several major showstopper bugs against kde system settings tools, and they're not being triaged or anything
[10:53] <DaSkreech> sb73542: showstopper?
[10:53] <sb73542> i think so anyway
[10:53] <sb73542> totally non functional, breaks other stuff
[10:54] <mhb> sb73542: in Launchpad or in bugs.kde.org?
[10:55] <sb73542> laucnhpad
[10:55] <mhb> sb73542: point us to them, please
[10:55] <sb73542> sure,
[10:55] <sb73542> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109820
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109820 in kde-guidance "Kubuntu 7.04 "Disk & Filesystems" always crashes" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:55] <sb73542> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/110686
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110686 in kde-systemsettings ""System setting->Monitor&Diplay->Power saving" totally breaks KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:55] <sb73542> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/58321
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58321 in kde-systemsettings "Cannot switch layout by pressing Alt+Shift" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[10:56] <sb73542> this one is less critical but nontheless annoying: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/109821
[10:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109821 in cupsys "Unable to connect to WinXP printer share, works in MDV" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:56] <mhb> sb73542: the first one is an evil one indeed, I hate that too
[10:56] <sb73542> known then?  on all systems or just some video cards?
[10:57] <mhb> the first Disks&Filesystems one
[10:57] <sb73542> sorry, that would be the disks and filesystems bug, duh
[10:57] <sb73542> did the Disks and Filesystems bug exist in Kubuntu 6.10?  regression or has it always been like that?
[10:58] <mhb> no, it's a regression
[10:59] <mhb> Edgy worked fine, AFAIK
[10:59] <sb73542> ah, too bad.  is it possible to downgrade to the Edgy version of the tool?
[11:01] <mhb> sb73542: not sure.
[11:01] <mhb> sb73542: I'll try to play with it for a while
[11:01] <manchicken> Does XP work with IPP printers?
[11:01] <sb73542> yes
[11:02] <manchicken> Is there any reason why you couldn't run the printer on cups and set the printer up with IPP inXP?
[11:02] <manchicken> (I know that doesn't solve the problem, but windows shares are flaky at best it seems)
[11:02] <sb73542> yes... i suppose.  i was just thinking from a new user's perspective IPP is pretty confusing
[11:02] <manchicken> And printer sharing isn't?
[11:02] <sb73542> true true.
[11:03] <DaSkreech> yo
[11:03] <manchicken> IPP is magnitudes easier than windows sharing.
[11:03] <sb73542> i like to be able to browse for the system, not look up ip addresses
[11:03] <sb73542> ipp doesnt work with hostnames, right?
[11:03] <manchicken> Sure it does.
[11:03] <manchicken> It just takes an HTTP address.
[11:04] <manchicken> I think you can scan with IPP as well.
[11:04] <manchicken> I know in KDE you can anyway.
[11:04] <sb73542> oh really?
[11:04] <manchicken> Yup.
[11:04] <manchicken> CUPS is just a great way to do printing.
[11:04] <manchicken> Just make sure you do hostname:631 :)
[11:05] <sb73542> hmmm, I'll give it a try
[11:06] <manchicken> I set it up in my internal network.
[11:06] <sb73542> connected to a WinXP machine?
[11:06] <manchicken> I just told windows to look at an IPP printer at http://bob:631 something.
[11:07] <manchicken> Well, the printer is connected to a Kubuntu machine, and the Vista machine uses it through that.
[11:08] <sb73542> i'm not trying to be pushy or rude, but I was wondering is there a chance that these bugs might get fixed within a few months?  I need to decide on a stable Linux system to get a few things done that I can only do in Linux, and I really like Kubuntu except for these killer bugs.
[11:11] <yuriy> bug 109820 is a dupe
[11:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109820 in kde-guidance "Kubuntu 7.04 "Disk & Filesystems" always crashes" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109820
[11:12] <sb73542> of which?
[11:13] <yuriy> sb73542: will search
[11:13] <yuriy> 58321 doesn't sound as critical as you say
[11:14] <sb73542> it is if one uses > 1 keyboard layout
[11:14] <yuriy> there is an icon, so the feature is still usable
[11:15] <mhb> sb73542: the one I spoke about should be fixed soon enough
[11:15] <sb73542> cool.
[11:16] <sb73542> and did you see Bug 110686 ?  It's definitely critical because it totally destroys KDE until the ~/.kde is deleted
[11:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110686 in kde-systemsettings ""System setting->Monitor&Diplay->Power saving" totally breaks KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110686
[11:25] <sb73542> alrighty, gotta go.  thanks for your help!
[11:57] <giangy> 'evening
[11:58] <marseillai> i've got to kde package to revu : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4976 ftpmonitor allready one agree and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4973 mplayerthumbs on wich i've make all changes ask
[12:00] <Riddell> hi elcuco__
[12:03] <ScottK> marseillai: I usually poke once and then wait 6-8 hours before I poke again.
[12:07] <marseillai> oki


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[09:58] <acheronuk> yofel: seems to have the potential for fixing the issue adding PPAs on KCI: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:58] <acheronuk> fingers crossed, anyway
[10:12] <yofel> sounds possible, fingers crossed indeed
[11:07] <BionicMac> Hello. Can someone point me to where/how to file a bug on kubuntu (18.04 daily build iso from 4-1-2018) r? I'd like to help the community out.
[11:09] <acheronuk> hi. what is the bug?
[11:12] <BionicMac> Switching from X to Wayland changed the display resolution making my kde plasma workspaces totally unnusable. I switched back to X and all was well.
[11:13] <BionicMac> I switched by the normal dm mechanism where logging in you can choose.
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:15] <acheronuk> BionicMac: unusable how?
[11:16] <acheronuk> BionicMac: search bugs.kde.org to see if your issue is already reported there would be the 1st step
[11:17] <BionicMac> It reset my display resolution making some of my windows that open automatically too large. the entire display was off. too big. Some windows/apps did not even open. All this was set and perfect in X. Wayland would not restore my kde to my ipen apps , placement etc.
[11:17] <BionicMac> acheronuk: Ok thanks.
[11:39] <acheronuk> BionicMac: I just added this to make things clear: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/Beta2/Kubuntu#Plasma_Wayland_session_-_Not_supported
[11:39] <acheronuk> but feedback and bugs to make it better are great
[11:45] <BionicMac> acheronuk: That is perfect.  Nice that users are warned of this. =)      I am going to be testing beta2 iso images. I have partition devoted to Kubuntu and Vanilla Ubuntu (Both Running Bionic Daily builds). I use these dedicated partitions to run and test installation and initial configuration.
[11:46] <BionicMac> I'm basically already testing but just now been made aware of the qatracker and I am reading up on the proper testing procedures.
[11:46] <acheronuk> great. thanks for testing. it really helps! :)
[11:46] <BionicMac> acheronuk: My pleasure.
[11:47] <BionicMac> And it isunique that I am running on iMac hardware so that area gets proper testing also.
[11:48] <acheronuk> Yeah, we struggle to get testing on some of the less usual things
[11:48] <BionicMac> So far it is working out most excellent. Both Ubuntu-vanilla-running gnome & Kubuntu are doing very well on this hardware.
[11:51] <BionicMac> Sound has been a headache, however, this is a kernel module option &  alsa/pulse configuration. In other words... any and all Linux distros have the ssame issues with this chipset. I am documenting the steps so I can post this in documentation. All the way from preparing the install to post-installation config.
[11:54] <BionicMac> I installed Arch, Antergos & Mint just to confirm what I thought... Same issue with the sound chip. However, the sound is now 100% working.
[11:55] <acheronuk> excellent
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[15:29] <AlexZion> I everyone, testing kubuntu 18.04 32 bit I cannot open any app of libreoffice, I can open the main libreoffice but when I try to open any app on it it will open and creash immediatelly
[15:30] <AlexZion> and I don't know how to find usefull info to report the problem
[15:32] <AlexZion> someone can "drive" me to get some usefull info about the problem ?
[16:10] <blaze> AlexZion: try to run any app directly, i.e. libreoffice --writer
[17:26] <AlexZion> hi blaze, I'm back ..., I already tried but i get the same and without any output on the konsole
[17:31] <blaze> AlexZion: try to run with different backend, remove libreoffice-kde and then install libreoffice-gtk3 package
[17:47] <AlexZion> blaze I removed libreoffice-kde and install libreoffice-gtk, but I get the same problem and no output, now I'm trying to purge entirely libreoffice and  install again
[17:52] <blaze> AlexZion: please open a bug report on launchpad with more technical details like software version, debug session logs etc
[17:56] <AlexZion> blaze, the problem still remain after the new installation, for the report I don't have any debug session logs
[17:58] <AlexZion> may be I need to install some extra package to get some debug log ?
[18:00] <blaze> you need gdb, and to run libreoffice binary with gdb
[18:00] <blaze> AlexZion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[18:02] <blaze> AlexZion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
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[21:39] <AlexZion> Hi guys, I have some  problem with apport, it doesn't works to report a libreoffice crash
[21:40] <tsimonq2> AlexZion: What's the error?
[21:41] <AlexZion> libreoffice doesn't even starts on kubuntu 18.04 32bit
[21:41] <tsimonq2> Right, but what does Apport say?
[21:42] <AlexZion> absolutelly nothing, apport doesn't care at all about libreoffice :D
[21:42] <tsimonq2> Try running `ubuntu-bug libreoffice` from the terminal.
[21:50] <AlexZion> tsimonq2: , it worked, thanks
[21:50] <tsimonq2> AlexZion: No problem, got a bug number? :)
[21:52] <AlexZion> tsimonq2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1760998
[21:53] <tsimonq2> AlexZion: Try running `apport-collect 1760998` so logs can be there.
[22:03] <valorie> I always advise ubuntu-bug packagename in the cli because LP is def. not user friendly unless you know precisely what you are doing
[22:04] <valorie> ok, got ktorrent working, so I know my ISO files came through the loss of that ssd
[22:04] <AlexZion> tsimonq2: done ;)
[22:05] <valorie> they were on the only HD on the laptop which is DATA and a windows install which I found out doesn't work .... it won't detect the wifi
[23:04] <mparillo> I see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/388/builds is up now. Any expectation of a quick re-spin, or are these our images for a couple of days?
[23:04] <valorie> hmmm, I might have a permissions problem on that data drive -- what's the command I need to do that
[23:04] <valorie> it is up, yeah
[23:05] <valorie> haven't caught up with #ubuntu-release to see if there are issues mparillo
[23:06] <valorie> lost my main SSD last night and have been scrambling to work around that
[23:09] <mparillo> I skimmed #ubuntu-release, and I did not see anything, but maybe I missed some nuance.
 No Kubuntu issues.
 Lubuntu has multiple problems...
 We should consider patching our Qt with https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/224684/. It fixes a really severe bug that makes Plasma unusable for people who use an image slideshow for their wallpaper. Take a look at the dupe list and number of CCs on that bug...
 @nggraham, Is it in 5.9.5?
 it's targeted for 5.11; isn't 5.9.x basically frozen at this point?
 5.9 is high priority updates now
 at least that's what a Qt guy told me the last time I asked something like that
 But I can cherry pick it
 muchas gracias
 De nada
 need an LP bug or anything?
 It'd be preferred.
 coming right up
 @nggraham Do you think this should ship in the final beta?
 Or can it wait?
[23:14] <valorie> interesting, I think I experienced that bug
 it would be nice if our beta testing users users could test this in the beta
[23:14] <valorie> but I've not set up a desktop display for bionic yet
 but it's not the end of the world if it wait until the final release
 Ok
 what should I file the bug against? "Qt" seems to be locked or something
 @nggraham, qtdeclarative-opensource-src
 Assign it to me please.
 ah of course, how obvious! 😄
 @nggraham, Heh :)
[23:16] <valorie> I've done two successful upgrades to Bionic but have obv. done no other testing yet
[23:16] <valorie> about to zsync the beta2 images but need to fix my data dir first
[23:20] <mparillo> Since Beta1, the only BB ISO I tested was acheronuk special spin for no double WiFi password queries.
[23:20] <mparillo> zsyncing now, but really slow.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1761016
 I can't assign it to you; I guess you'll have to claim it
 Ack
 .
[23:25] <valorie> so I chowned the whole data folder, but it's still read-only
[23:26] <valorie> what do I need to do to make that writeable?
 If your SSD is done for, you can't.
[23:26] <valorie> this is on the HD
[23:26] <valorie> computer doesn't see the SSD any more
[23:26] <valorie> she is dead, Jim
 What's the perms on the HDD?
 chmod -R u+w path/to/folder
[23:26] <valorie> dunno?
[23:27] <valorie> perfect
[23:27] <valorie> no sudo needed?
 try it without and see
[23:28] <valorie> still says, for instance: chmod: changing permissions of '/media/valorietest/Data/Videos/Nodame Cantabile/[Froth-Bite]Nodame_Cantabile_-_23[6F0AC9FE].mp4': Read-only file system
 ah, the whole disk itself is mounted read-only
 can't help more now, sorry; getting off a bus and then going to spend a few hours with my family
[23:30] <valorie> oh good lord I wonder why
[23:31] <valorie> this is not useful!
[23:31] <valorie> thanks, nggraham
[23:43] <BionicMac> valorie: How is that data recovery coming along? Were you able to mount it rw ? Are you tring to mount it and use the disk or strictly recover data?
[23:43] <mparillo> Tested the live ISO in a VM. Note that the Show Desktop widget looks like breeze light, but the desktop itself is breeze dark.
[23:48] <valorie> BionicMac: I dunno how to mount it rw
[23:48] <valorie> the reading online makes that sound very complicated
[23:49] <valorie> if I don't fix it in the next 10 mins or so it will be time for dinner and I have a meeting tonight
[23:49] <valorie> this is why I really wanted the beta2 ISOs to drop last night!
[23:51] <BionicMac> Is it mounted now? If so, do these commands to find out a littlle about the disk before we remount it please: run 'mount' and look for the parition it should  give you some output like so:  /dev/sda6 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)     <-- Do you know the partition already? like /dev/sda1 for instance?
[23:55] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ttVzYYg23H/
[23:55] <valorie> I don't know the partitions
[23:55] <valorie> esp. since the ssd died
[23:56] <BionicMac> valorie: Looks like this is the partition you are trying to work with: /dev/sdb1 on /media/valorietest/Data type fuseblk (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[23:56] <valorie> yes
[23:57] <valorie> but I don't know what much of that means beyond that /media/valorietest/Data is it
[23:58] <BionicMac> You are trying to access  /media/valorietest/Data correct?
[23:59] <valorie> yes
[23:59] <BionicMac> ok hold on
[23:59] <BionicMac> please


[01:05] <Scary_Guy> Oh, I don't pay attention half the time.  Figures they would restrict that, too.
[01:05] <Scary_Guy> Or maybe you mentioned it and I just forgot.  At least the weather is nice I hope.