[15:16] <johnny77> Who is in charge of the themes for the wiki that I can change in my preferences?
[15:49] <head_victim> johnny77: depends on what you mean by "change my preferences"
[15:50] <head_victim> Is there a problem with the change my preference window or are you requesting a feature be added to the page or?
[15:52] <johnny77> In user preferences there is a drop down list to change the theme. I was wondering if I could get the files for one of the themes.
[15:53] <head_victim> johnny77: does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates help at all? I t has a section on wiki themes
[15:54] <johnny77> let me look, I didn't know about that. n
[15:54] <head_victim> johnny77: no worries mate :)
[16:03] <johnny77> head_victim: That looks like what I want, but I can't get it to work. I've setup a desktop MoinMoin wiki so that I can edit it then paste it into the Community Wiki to avoid excessive saves.
[16:05] <head_victim> johnny77: ah I just use a text editor for that sorry
[16:05] <head_victim> It's sad but I know most of the syntax off the top of my head so that's not really an issue
[16:06] <johnny77> And just starting, I don't know the syntax or what it will look like.
[16:06] <head_victim> Another option is to copy pages to be subpages of your own personal wiki page and have a little sandbox there (which I have done in the past, I'm not sure if this is best practice though)
[16:07] <head_victim> For example my wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris and if I'm working on a samba page for example I might copy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Example/Samba/Page to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris/SambaPageSandbox until I'm happy with it
[16:09] <johnny77> thank you for that idea. I might do it that way.
[16:10] <head_victim> It just means you still have to be connected to the internet, you can't do it "offline" that way but yeah, any combination of the 2 approaches might be useful if you need offline editing
[16:13] <johnny77> head_victim: it's not so much as needing offline editing, but just I'm looking at rewriting a whole page. I just wanted to save on the saves that I sent out.
[16:13] <head_victim> johnny77: fair call, I'd go with the copying one then if that works. I also use the preview button HEAPS


[09:11] <froud> amu: were you aware that there already was a knetwork-conf user manual? http://webcvs.kde.org/kdereview/doc/knetworkconf/
[09:11] <froud> amu: but it seems that even the KDE documentation manager Lauri, did not know about it
[09:12] <froud> amu: seems also that somebody has started with kynaptic. mvo and mitario should be intrested in that
[09:26] <froud> Riddell: r you awake
[10:56] <Beineri> Kubuntu defaults/desktop and KDE packages are unnecessary geared into each other
[10:58] <Beineri> eg kdegraphics (it's not called kubuntu-kdegraphics!) should install the complete kdegraphics module - not more (gwenview) and not less (kview).
[10:58] <Beineri> kdegraphics is a meta-package for people who want a pure KDE imo
[10:59] <Beineri> so kdegraphics chould be changed and removed as dependency from kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop should depend directly on gwenview and the parts of kdegraphics it needs (kpdf, ksnapshot, ...)
[11:01] <Kamion> FWIW that just involves changing the kubuntu-hoary desktop seed; the kubuntu-desktop metapackage is entirely autogenerated
[11:01] <Kamion> Beineri: no it wouldn't
[11:01] <Kamion> main is more than base+desktop; you can put kdegraphics in supported or whatever just fine
[11:02] <Beineri> Kamion: even when some parts of the KDE kdegraphics module/tarball would be only available in universe?
[11:02] <Kamion> er, if you put kdegraphics in supported then all of kdegraphics would be eligible for promotion to main
[11:03] <Kamion> if you didn't, then they wouldn't be (at least not for that reason alone)
[11:04] <Kamion> the seeds are a list of what we want to support in various categories. If the Kubuntu guys don't want to support all of kdegraphics, then indeed they shouldn't put kdegraphics in a seed
[11:05] <Kamion> but that doesn't necessarily follow from making the desktop seed more specific :)
[11:07] <Kamion> I'm not sure "people who want a pure KDE" is a viable goal though; anybody who goes for a specific distribution is to some extent buying into what that distribution does, and for example the Kubuntu guys may well be applying patches not all of which would be considered "pure KDE" by everyone
[11:07] <Kamion> (I've no idea if they are or not, but patch-application is a standard example here)
[11:14] <Beineri> replace "pure KDE" with "all of KDE" maybe for better understanding
[11:14] <Kamion> nod
[11:14] <Kamion> anyway I guess you want replies from the Kubuntu guys, I'm just giving the general seed-handling perspective :)
[11:16] <Beineri> Kamion: sure, just dumping my thoughts here for them :-)
[11:17] <Kamion> (I maintain germinate, so that's what I tend to think of first)
[11:18] <Beineri> atm it's at least inconsistent: eg gwenview is dep of kdegraphics and not in desktop seed, while eg konversation is not dep of kdenetwork and in desktop seed
[11:33] <Beineri> btw, in Distrowatch.com's "Page Hit Ranking" for "Last 1 Month" "Kbuntu" is on rank #29 today ;-)
[11:34] <Beineri> with 150 Hits per Day (over last month)
[11:43] <Beineri> btw2, the last news entry on http://konserve.sourceforge.net/ is a year old
[03:52] <dannya> hey riddell - what do you think to mxcl's suggestion to use the colour scheme to tint the images in the about pages?
[03:53] <Riddell> dannya: if someone can make it work then go ahead
[03:53] <dannya> hehe
[03:53] <dannya> I think that it could also be extended to any other use of images in kde, potentially...
[03:53] <dannya> eg. sidebar images...
[03:56] <Riddell> it is the case with kmenu side image
[03:56] <dannya> yep
[03:56] <dannya> well, you know wizard sidebar images?...
[03:57] <Riddell> right
[04:48] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/stats.html
[04:53] <Beineri> 52.5% Windows users ;-)
[04:56] <Riddell> yep :)
[04:56] <Riddell> 14 BeOS users is impressive
[04:57] <Qerub> that's eugenia :)
[08:14] <Beineri> Riddell: did you read my earlier thoughts today here?
[08:15] <Riddell> Beineri: about meta packages?
[08:16] <Beineri> Riddell: yes
[08:16] <Riddell> Beineri: I want to do that properly post-hoary but at the moment playing with meta packages is the quickest way to do it since changing the seeds means going through other people
[08:16] <Riddell> but I do plan to tidy it up
[08:17] <Beineri> ah :-|
[08:22] <mdz> Riddell: what's the issue?
[08:24] <Beineri> mdz: scroll back 10 hours :-)
[08:25] <mdz> yes, I think much of that stuff should move into the seeds
[08:26] <mdz> Riddell: moving things from universe to main means going through other people in any case; it's a manual process
[08:26] <mdz> the way it currently works is that you upload packages with changed dependencies, elmo notices them and emails me asking if it's ok to move the packages, I ask you whether you did it intentionally and whether the result is OK, and then confirm to elmo that the changes can be carried out
[08:27] <mdz> it would be much better for you to go through me or amu or Kamion and ask for a seed change directly
[08:30] <Kamion> and it would result in a much more explicit list of what we want to support, which post-hoary will probably be important for deprecation cycles and such
[09:16] <apokryphos> The knetworkconf package not work? Installed, but no excecutable
[09:23] <Qerub> apokryphos: check your kde control center..
[09:28] <apokryphos> Qerub: oh, so I see. Thanks. :)
[09:30] <apokryphos> Anyone any idea on the libkcal2 package? It's ruining possibility for installation of kde-devel


[09:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:06] <kingrayray> letalis: yeah, but it really isn't necessary, the benefits were barely noticable for me
[09:06] <kingrayray> not to mention updating was an overnight process, opposed to 10 mins here
[09:07] <kingrayray> and whenever there was a new glibc, you had to rebuild everything
[09:07] <kingrayray> compiling KDE takes like two days on my box. no fun
[09:10] <lee__> ell
[09:10] <lee__> hello
[09:10] <lee__> how do i edit the second hdd that has the same program in it?
[09:11] <lee__> hi icarus
[09:11] <icarus901> helo
[09:12] <lee__> whats the  comad for editing the heart of a config..is emac?
[09:12] <lee__> or waht?
[09:12] <lee__> or can you edit such a thing?
[09:12] <lee__> on a secondary hdd?
[09:12] <Col-Panic> letalis: Maybe when I have my QuadCore...
[09:12] <kingrayray> lee__: what do you mean by "heart of a config" ?
[09:13] <lee__> I backed up some the x11.org file and I need now to replace taht file on my other hdd..ehh all I get is a black screen
[09:13] <enyc> hrrm there is a problem in gutsy for me... can no longer use "ogg123" from vorbis-tools!
[09:13] <Skelet0n> my wireless in gusty will not work
[09:13] <Skelet0n> ???
[09:13] <Skelet0n> !gusty
[09:13] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[09:14] <Skelet0n> !guTsy
[09:14] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[09:14] <lee__> well i have gutsy that gave me plain screen lol on an ide hdd and all the goodies on my sata
[09:14] <kingrayray> you can copy the goodies back if you want
[09:15] <lee__> thatys waht i am trying to do lol..but firt i need it to at least boot lol
[09:15] <enyc> right... in gutsy I can use neither mpg321 or ogg123 (which use libao)... but I can use  Mikmod and Playmidi  okay... and the ubuntu login sounds are okay!
[09:15] <lee__> i need to edit the xorg conf
[09:16] <kingrayray> lee__: try to use nano from a terminal
[09:16] <enyc> I have snd_ (also) drivers loaded okay no problem.. but something about gutsy is creating errors when using libao programs!!!! help ;-)
[09:16] <kingrayray> like, nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:16] <lee__> bur it saying permision denied when i use the terminal..so am wondering.. is it an e-mc preference?
[09:16] <boris__> what does "nano" command mean ?
[09:16] <kingrayray> lee__: no
[09:16] <kingrayray> boris__: nano is a command line text editor.
[09:16] <enyc> boris__:  a text editor
[09:16] <lee__> ok
[09:17] <kingrayray> lee__: try with sudo
[09:17] <kingrayray> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:17] <lee__> eh ok... whats the file extensions?
[09:17] <lee__> oh ty...
[09:17] <boris__> ok
[09:17] <kingrayray> and if you didnt know, the ^ symbol before all the commands at the bottom means the ctrl key
[09:17] <lee__> eh in this case its on a second hdd
[09:18] <boris__> kingray : same as gedit just it is command line ?
[09:18] <kingrayray> boris__: basically
[09:18] <boris__> ok ty
[09:18] <boris__> i prefer gedit vastly
[09:18] <mc44> lee__: what are you trying to do? copy a config file from another hard disk to your current install?
[09:19] <kingrayray> boris__: when you don't have X running you can't use gedit :)
[09:19] <boris__> dam
[09:19] <lee__> no visa versa....well trying to coppy the back up i made befor i chasnged everyhting lol
[09:19] <lee__> i have it stored on a card
[09:19] <enyc> *** I would appreciate if somebody with gutsy and working sound *test* using ogg123 or mpg321 on a .ogg/.mp3 file for me -- I need to know if this is a generic gutsy problem or more-specific-to-me ...
[09:19] <mc44> lee__: a card?
[09:19] <lee__> eh i am using my back up
[09:20] <kingrayray> enyc: one moment i will test mine
[09:20] <lee__> I took the the x.org and alias files and saved them
[09:20] <enyc> kingrayray: thankyou... you may need to install "vorbis-tools" and "mpg321" packages
[09:20] <kingrayray> enyc: i am :P
[09:21] <lee__> incase of oopses like this, but now I need a refresher on how to get into the the files to edit them..if you can edit them on a hdd that is, I mounted the second hd
[09:21] <boris__> gutsy is scheduled to be released on 18th october right ?
[09:21] <lee__> yeah
[09:21] <enyc> boris__: yes 2007/10/18 is plan
[09:21] <kingrayray> i'm using a SBLive! 5.1
[09:21] <enyc> err in ALSA
[09:22] <kingrayray> enyc: i get an error from mpg3221
[09:22] <enyc> kingrayray: im not sure this is the problem tho.. im getting error about mcop dir... same problem with ogg123 and mpg321
[09:22] <mc44> lee__: so which file do you want to edit? your current xorg conf? or a backup?
[09:22] <lee__> the current
[09:22] <mrtimdog> Hi, anyone know of a gnome applet that'll control pulseaudios' volume?
[09:22] <riotkittie> it works for me. mpg321
[09:22] <Col-Panic> Just out of curiosity... what does the installer run cups for?
[09:22] <mc44> lee__: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:22] <lee__> on the second hdd
[09:22] <kingrayray> can't create mcop directory
[09:22] <kingrayray> weird
[09:22] <lee__> ok
[09:22] <mc44> lee__: well thats not your current one then :)
[09:22] <enyc> kingrayray: same error dere
[09:22] <kingrayray> also weird because its trying to make a link in ~/.kde
[09:23] <kingrayray> i didnt know mpg321 had anything to do with kde
[09:23] <enyc> kingrayray: i havent yet found the bugzilla report... but I want to get it sorted for gutsy!!!!!!!!!
[09:23] <lee__> well here it goes lol
[09:23] <enyc> kingrayray: it doesnt look good
[09:23] <riotkittie> are using kde too, enyc?
[09:23] <riotkittie> you
[09:23] <enyc> riotkittie: no, no kde
[09:23] <mc44> lee__: no that will edit the xorg on your *current* partition
[09:24] <lee__> eh thats not waht i want lol...
[09:24] <enyc> also.. ogg123 and mpg321 do not appear to be linked to any kde libs
[09:24] <lee__> i ws about to get the file string befor doing nano
[09:24] <enyc> however... MAYBE libao is trying to use the ARTSD sound which is a kde thing
[09:24] <mc44> lee__: do you know what your second hd is mounted as? sda2 for example
[09:24] <kingrayray> enyc: that might make sense
[09:25] <enyc> mpg321 and ogg123 use libao for audio
[09:25] <kingrayray> in /etc/libao.conf mine just says alsa09
[09:25] <lee__> its mounted as a disk drive just a sec
[09:25] <enyc> kingrayray: I would like to get this sorted for gutsy.. hrrm
[09:25] <enyc> kingrayray: hrrm same here... actually I purged libao and reinstalled with ubuntu-desktop etc... that is the 'normal' setting
[09:25] <lee__> eh just a reg disk
[09:25] <lee__> its a sata
[09:26] <mc44> lee__: ok, run "df"
[09:26] <mc44> lee__: it should appear as /dev/sda?
[09:26] <lee__> ah ok in the run files or in sudo?
[09:26] <mc44> lee__: what?
[09:27] <enyc> kingrayray: lixao.so.2 is being linked to that in the libao driver
[09:27] <enyc> kingrayray: look in /usr/lib/ao/plugins-2/
[09:27] <lee__> wre do i give cmmand to run df?
[09:27] <mc44> lee__: you're at a command line prompt right now, right?
[09:27] <lee__> yeah
[09:27] <kingrayray> enyc: but its using libalsa09
[09:27] <mc44> lee__: then just do df then enter
[09:27] <kingrayray> so it should be fine
[09:27] <lee__> ok
[09:28] <enyc> kingrayray: yes... and changing   /etc/libao.conf to "pulse" FIXES the problem for me
[09:28] <kingrayray> what the hell is pulse
[09:28] <kingrayray> lol
[09:28] <lee__> yeah its listed as an sda lol
[09:28] <enyc> kingrayray: newer audio driver and multiplexer
[09:28] <kingrayray> oh
[09:28] <kingrayray> well pow we fixed it
[09:28] <enyc> kingrayray: supports ESD compatibiliity
[09:28] <lee__> oh wait
[09:28] <lee__> its listed as /dev/sdb1
[09:28] <mc44> lee__: ok that makes sense :)
[09:29] <mc44> lee__: where did you back up the file?
[09:30] <lee__> and then there are he following /dev/sdf1 and /dev/sde1
[09:30] <mc44> lee__: how many HDs do you have? :)
[09:30] <lee__> some reason it has multi partions lol
[09:30] <mc44> multi partitions should be sdb2 sdb3 etc
[09:30] <lee__> the sata wound up getting th oem lol i hit the button
[09:31] <mc44> ...?
[09:31] <lee__> but the drivers effected the main system
[09:31] <lee__> ok that file i backed up is on my memory stick
[09:32] <lee__> oh ok those 2 that i gave you are my media stics lol
[09:32] <lee__> crosses his eyes
[09:32] <mc44> so it's on one of those?
[09:33] <lee__> at any rate lol
[09:33] <enyc> kingrayray: "alsa" works too
[09:33] <lee__> i found the drive
[09:34] <gesker> savvas: I'm still stuck on my sound issue -- could you offer any more advice
[09:34] <kingrayray> enyc: should probably file a bug
[09:35] <enyc> kingrayray: I think I shall install 1 more gutsy and reproduce the problem
[09:35] <enyc> kingrayray: I going out bouncing nome (trampoline!)
[09:36] <savvas> gesker: er.. sound testing didn't work?
[09:36] <new2ub> I need a list of supported printers and I know there was a website with it...just can't find it again lol anyone know where that is?
[09:36] <lee__> yeah
[09:36] <enyc> kingrayray: \o/ -R- /O\   \o/ -R- /O\
[09:36] <enyc> kingrayray: boing boing boing ... talk later ;-)
[09:36] <lee__> ok i got nothing but a big fat whit screen lol
[09:36] <kingrayray> lol, bye enyc
[09:36] <riotkittie> new2ub: linuxprinting.org ?
[09:37] <new2ub> riotkittie, thanks :)
[09:37] <riotkittie> yw  :)
[09:37] <gesker> Anyone have any luck getting sound on Gutsy with an Audigy LS
[09:37] <lee__> and it says new buffer
[09:37] <lee__> mc44 all igots is awhite screen lol
[09:38] <mc44> lee__: er... where?
[09:38] <lee__> in the terminal
[09:38] <mc44> lee__: what command did you use>?
[09:38] <savvas> gesker: i'm not sure, but try this: sudo apt-get install ld10k1 liblo10k1-0
[09:39] <lee__>  [ "/dev/sda1" is a device file ]
[09:39] <lee__> the nano
[09:39] <mc44> lee__: yes nano is an editor...
[09:39] <savvas> gesker: then do: asoundconf list
[09:39] <mc44> lee__: press ctrl x
[09:39] <lee__> its saying stuff like next page ect
[09:39] <lee__> ok
[09:40] <mc44> lee__: what are you trying to do
[09:40] <lee__> ahhh bnetter lol
[09:40] <gesker> savvas: doing it now
[09:41] <gesker> apt-getSavvass: asoundconf list returns CA0106
[09:41] <savvas> gesker: um.. do you have a tv tuner card?
[09:41] <kingrayray> http://kingrayray.wallooza.org/Screenshot.png I <3 Ubuntu :D
[09:41] <gesker> savvas: an audigy ls card
[09:41] <lee__> ok in the right file give me a few minutes
[09:41] <savvas> gesker: so no tv tuner cards?
[09:42] <gesker> savvas: no sir
[09:42] <savvas> gesker: try this: cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:42] <new2ub> riotkittie, looks like I might need to go spend some money on a better printer here lol.....mine's not supported :(
[09:43] <savvas> new2ub: you should make that nick new2u, it rhymes ;)
[09:43] <gesker> savvas:  0 [CA0106         ] : CA0106 - CA0106
[09:43] <gesker>                       X-Fi Extreme Audio [SB0790]  at 0x6000 irq 19
[09:43] <new2ub> probably but I thought it fit since I"m brand new to the linux world
[09:44] <lee__> ok how do i select all?
[09:44] <mc44> lee__: select all what?
[09:46] <gesker> savvas: I'm running the 64bit version of ubuntu
[09:46] <savvas> gesker: try this: cat /etc/modules | grep -i "snd"
[09:47] <lee__> oh nevr mind.. i found it "clear all
[09:47] <gesker> savvas: nothing gets returned
[09:47] <savvas> gesker: gksu gedit /etc/modules
[09:47] <lee__> man this is like the c64 language
[09:47] <savvas> gesker: add a line with this: snd-ca0106
[09:47] <lee__> ok
[09:47] <savvas> gesker: then press enter for an empty line, save and exit gedit
[09:48] <savvas> gesker: reboot your machine
[09:48] <savvas> let's hope that fixes it
[09:48] <lee__> well Lets see if it worked lol
[09:48] <Stevethepirate> Hi.. getting this error.. http://rafb.net/p/XcOfG651.html when trying to mplayer a movie..
[09:48] <Stevethepirate> video comes out, no audio..
[09:48] <gesker> savvas: rebooting now, back in a second
[09:48] <Stevethepirate> no audio in amarok as well.
[09:49] <lee__> ok well the worse that can happen is it wont boot..or...Ill  have smoke coming from the machine lol
[09:49] <lee__> be back in a few either on the the main drive or ym back up drive lol
[09:50] <mc44> :(
[09:51] <emet> how do you make compiz fusion use a cube
[09:51] <emet> ?
[09:51] <emet> I have a plane
[09:51] <emet> 2 sided
[09:51] <Stevethepirate> wtf
[09:51] <emet> besides that compiz fusion pwns
[09:51] <emet> expo pwns
[09:51] <mc44> emet: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:52] <emet> I have it I don't see any option for it
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> emet: its in general
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> "horizontal desktop size"
[09:52] <emet> is there any way to make package name completion work in aliases
[09:52] <emet> nosrednaekim, ok
[09:53] <mc44> emet: and turn the Desktop Cube plugin on if it isn
[09:53] <mc44> *t
[09:53] <nosrednaekim> emet: ailiases?
[09:54] <emet> yeah I use aliases for package management
[09:54] <emet> alias ins="sudo apt-get install"
[09:54] <emet> so like I wanna type ins abi<TAB> to install abiword
[09:55] <savvas> gesker: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base
[09:55] <gesker> savvas: At first there was no sound then I unchecked iec958 and boom , music!
[09:56] <savvas> unchecked iec958? :P
[09:56] <gesker> Yes, and now I have sound. Was unchecking iec958 bad?
[09:58] <lee__> eh well its confirmed it was way sicker then I thaught
[09:58] <emet> works like a charm thank you nosrednaekim and mc44
[09:58] <lee__> it needs a reformat
[09:58] <nosrednaekim> NP
[09:58] <lee__> it did more then break lol
[09:58] <lee__> it died
[09:59] <emet> god expo is hot
[09:59] <lee__> ok question how doe we reformat a HDd? lol
[09:59] <lee__> with out having to use the disk?
[09:59] <kingrayray> lee__: that's probably not a great idea if it is the system you are currently working in
[10:00] <lee__> oh
[10:00] <lee__> well I dcd the hdd
[10:00] <lee__> OOH wait that waht cause my issue
[10:00] <lee__> I removed the ata, hdd and my computer locked up
[10:01] <kingrayray> you unplugged a drive when the power was on?
[10:01] <lee__> after reinserting it..did I trigger a prtoection of some kind?
[10:02] <lee__> Does linuxe have an anti tampering code in it so you can't take the hdd out of one machine and place it in the ext?
[10:02] <kingrayray> lee__: no, lol
[10:02] <lee__> hmm
[10:02] <kingrayray> but your boot loader may very well get confused by doing that
[10:02] <savvas> gesker: what's iec958?
[10:02] <lee__> OH great... I hope I aint losing the drive
[10:02] <kingrayray> no it'll be fine
[10:02] <kingrayray> lol
[10:02] <savvas> gesker: I mean I don't know where you unchecked it or what that is :)
[10:02] <kingrayray> if you put it back teh way it was it should boot
[10:02] <lee__> its starting to feel like hard ware failure
[10:03] <lee__> hmm
[10:03] <lee__> I killed the power then then  unplugged and hit power to ground the system
[10:03] <lee__> I do that everything
[10:03] <kingrayray> yea
[10:03] <kingrayray> what happens when you try to boot
[10:03] <kingrayray> details are helpful
[10:04] <gesker> I double clicked on the mute icon in the uppper right hand corner. Volume control opened and there was a "Switches" tab and the check box for iec985
[10:05] <sbucatino_> -..- double monitor.... wtf doesnt work
[10:05] <lee__> erg the contacts are dirty taht is for sure
[10:05] <lee__> ill clean em up maybe that is the issue
[10:06] <lee__> then Ill reload
[10:07] <savvas> gesker: ah ok, we should note that :p
[10:08] <gesker> savvas: thanks for your help. it is very much appreciated. Now I'll start playing with my mic :)
[10:09] <MisterN> !rc
[10:09] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[10:09] <savvas> gesker: go, spread, tell your kids about freedom :p
[10:10] <gesker> savvas: This machine just happens to be my now office desktop. I've been (secretly sometimes) replacing one windows server at a time in my company
[10:11] <gesker> savvaas: no one complains about up time!
[10:16] <baastrup> hey, im missing the borders when i turn compiz on, my card is from nvidia
[10:17] <savvas> gesker: haha, let's hope no one does complain :P
[10:19] <TheInfinity> hello
[10:19] <b08y> hello
[10:20] <TheInfinity> why does the xorg packages have the version number 1:7.2-5ubuntu13 although it is xorg 7.3?
[10:21] <nosrednaekim> its not.
[10:21] <TheInfinity> somehow a mixture of xorg 7.2 and xorg 7.3?
[10:22] <TheInfinity> because nv drivers are from 7.3 ...
[10:22] <hit> should there be now some updates available since RC is out?
[10:22] <TheInfinity> try out? ;)
[10:23] <hit> didn't see any, but i'm having problems with my ubuntu right now tho
[10:24] <riotkittie> all i got was a kernel update. and modules.
[10:24] <jkimball4> Is there a place where I can find a changelog for updates?
[10:24] <IndyGunFreak> how can i make my menu come up when I right click my desktop?
[10:24] <IndyGunFreak> my applications menu, that is
[10:24] <hit> kernel update was in the morning i quess and that was about 12 hours ago
[10:25] <atiredmachine> AH! I'm running the 64-bit version of Gusty and today the system updates did something that make Firefox freeze every time a website has flash.  I'm suspecting the nspluginwrapper update.
[10:26] <atiredmachine> Is there anything I can do?
[10:27] <hit> just got an update for nonfree flash :P
[10:27] <gesker> savvas: Thanks you again for all your help; Ill mkae an effort pay it forward and try to help the next guy
[10:28] <hit> lets see if that gets my flash sound back
[10:29] <hit> but no
[10:42] <atiredmachine> nevermind, figured it out!
[10:42] <atiredmachine> ha
[10:46] <Alex_Gaynor> Anyone have any ideas why my samba share stopped working when I upgraded to gutsy gibbon, I can see the share, I just can't authenticate
[10:46] <Alex_Gaynor> I have run net use /d * in windows to clear the connections cache, to no avail
[10:48] <|neon|> having a problem using ff on ubuntu java is installed and about:plugins shows that is enable, when i try to access like yahoo games ff completely freezes when opening/joining a table to playq.xc
[10:48] <Alex_Gaynor> FYI it is ubuntu server
[10:50] <jussi01> Alex_Gaynor: sounds like a bug. Assuming its reproducable, I would say file one
[10:50] <jussi01> !bug | Alex_Gaynor
[10:50] <ubotu> Alex_Gaynor: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:51] <Alex_Gaynor> I would assume so, my smb.conf looks the same, it should just work out of the box right?
[10:51] <jussi01> |neon|: have you give it sometime??
[10:51] <jussi01> Alex_Gaynor: afaik, yes
[10:51] <Jordan_U_Gutsy> Is it a bug that firefox, after a first boot never using sudo or gksudo, was able to install flashplugin-nonfree without asking for a password?
[10:53] <vinboy> is the RC out yet?
[10:53] <surfer9> okay
[10:54] <stefg> !rc
[10:54] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[10:54] <IndyGunFreak> !awm
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <IndyGunFreak> !avant
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avant - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <Alex_Gaynor> jussi|no2: Is this likely to be the same error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/147330
[10:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147330 in ubuntu "Samba stopped working when uppgrading to Gutsy" [Undecided,New]
[10:55] <surfer9> hello everybody. i've got a big problem : i forced the 7.10 installation. now when the gdm is lauched, i should get the login menu but instead i get the mouse cursor showing a busy clock and it's flickering between 0'20 and 0'30 (i mean it's not going 'round like it should) and there's no login menu at all. i'm stuck
[10:55] <IndyGunFreak> anyone familiar with avant, or know where i can go to ask a questino?
[10:55] <gnomefreak> surfer9: you need to save your $home partition (backup) and reinstall 7.04
[10:55] <gnomefreak> it is the only SAFE way
[10:55] <surfer9> how should I do ?
[10:56] <Alex_Gaynor> ubotu: I'm looking at that, that seems to be a samba mount as oppose to a server, is that likely to be the same problem?
[10:57] <surfer9> when i installed it i did the default behavior. thus did it make a $home partition ?
[10:57] <surfer9> (installed the whole ubuntu OS)
[10:57] <gnomefreak> surfer9: if you have anything you want to save save it to cd dvd or usbstick and pop 7.04 cd in and install than move the files/folders back to $home or whereever they are from
[10:57] <gnomefreak> brb need to rethink this patch
[10:57] <IndyGunFreak> surfer9: i'd love tos ee an install w/o a home..lol
[10:58] <Alex_Gaynor> Oh frick ubotu is a bot, I thought it was a person for a second
[10:58] <andersin> ah, isn't ubotu a bot?
[10:58] <Alex_Gaynor> yeah
[10:58] <andersin> would be cool, if it could actually reply though =)
[10:59] <surfer9> only geeks laugh to people who say they don't have a home partition :) :) . i'm not saying i don't have a hompe directory. i'm saying i don't have a home *partition*. to be precise i'm saying i don't know wheter it's a partition or not.
[11:00] <riotkittie> i laugh at people who dont have a home partition. i dont have a home partition. i laugh at myself, as well
[11:01] <surfer9> i'm sorry to ask that like a nOOb but how to know if i do have a home partition or not ?
[11:01] <riotkittie> surfer9:  i doubt it, but open a term and type mount
[11:02] <bascule> surfer9: cat /etc/fstab and see if there is an entry for /home
[11:02] <riotkittie> i think the defualt install lobs it all on /
[11:02] <branstrom> I've been using deskbar-applet
[11:02] <branstrom> But would like to search only with tracker sometimes
[11:02] <branstrom> What's the best way to do that?
[11:03] <branstrom> I mean a dedicated search interface for tracker
[11:03] <branstrom> nm
[11:03] <surfer9> seems to have 3 things : one partition ext3, one swap, one "0" for the /dev/cdrom
[11:03] <surfer9> bad eh ?
[11:03] <branstrom> tracker-search-tool did the job
[11:04] <branstrom> (although the "Search:" label looks bad out on the left side, no margin
[11:04] <Alex_Gaynor>  Bug submitted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/151694
[11:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151694 in samba "Samba share stops working after upgrade to gutsy" [Undecided,New]
[11:04] <bascule> surfer9: looks like you have no /home partition then
[11:04] <riotkittie> not "omg end of the worrrrrld!@#$!" bad. but not "easy peasy" good.
[11:04] <branstrom> Alex_Gaynor: I got that too :/
[11:05] <surfer9> sh*t*
[11:05] <Alex_Gaynor> branstrom: Glad to hear I'm not alone
[11:05] <surfer9> okay tomorrow i'll take my USB harddrive
[11:05] <surfer9> how to mount it ?
[11:05] <branstrom> Had security = share before the upgrade
[11:05] <surfer9> (i mean by hand)
[11:05] <branstrom> So I could share with Windows boxes.
[11:05] <surfer9> (i mean via a shell)
[11:06] <riotkittie> sudo mount /path/to/the/usb/drive /path/to/mount/point
[11:07] <surfer9> thanks a lot, but how do i guess the /path/to/the/usb/drive ?
[11:08] <enyc> kingrayray: right... finished bouncing
[11:08] <surfer9> (this is my last question before going to bed 23:00 i'm knackered)
[11:08] <riotkittie> try sdb ... if not  sdb, hda
[11:08] <hetauma> !grub
[11:08] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:09] <riotkittie> most likely sdb.   /dev/sdb1
[11:09] <enyc> kingrayray:  bouncie bouncie!  front drop ,-o-,  seat drop R_   bouing  boingc...   are you there?
[11:09] <enyc> kingrayray: we were looking at libao gutsy
[11:09] <kingrayray> enyc: sup
[11:09] <surfer9> so : [sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /externalhd]  should work ?
[11:10] <surfer9> (kind of, i'll adapt)
[11:10] <riotkittie> yea.
[11:10] <enyc> kingrayray: sup1381 and sup2311 were the only sup-codes i ever had (diamond modems)
[11:10] <kingrayray> enyc: lol
[11:10] <riotkittie> you may need to specify a type. -t vfat or -t ntfs  if its a win FS
[11:11] <enyc> kingrayray: /me trying to record  gutsy daily cd alternate i386 image on old plexwriter drive.... looking for CD caddy....
[11:11] <stoffer_> anyone succeeded installing the nvidia drivers in gutsy ? Every time I enable the restricted nvidia driver and reboot, bulletProof X says screen r card not recognized
[11:12] <surfer9> tkx a lot everybody have a good night
[11:12] <andersin> stoffer_: works hereafter an upgrade from feisty
[11:14] <enyc> riotkittie: btw... that uses ntfs  not ntfs-3g ... is that what you intended?
[11:14] <stoffer_> andersin: well, I can't get it to work properly. Had it working once when only restarting gdm, but a complete reboot overwrites the xorg.conf
[11:15] <riotkittie> enyc: yes
[11:15] <andersin> stoffer_: well, I use the KDE flavor, have you tried to just start X?
[11:16] <riotkittie> enyc: at least i think. :o
[11:16] <stoffer_> andersin: actually no, think that would work ?
[11:16] <enyc> riotkittie: its just ... usinc ntfs driver is basically readonly
[11:16] <enyc> riotkittie: whereas ntfs-3g supports writing
[11:17] <andersin> stoffer_: not sure, but if you do a reboot without starting gdm and it works, it narrows down the problem
[11:17] <riotkittie> enyc: my fstab is loading /dev/whatever-i-have-xp-on  ntfs and i can write to it no prob
[11:17] <stoffer_> andersin: actually not sure how to do that
[11:17] <eduardo_silva> hi guys, there's a problem when ubuntu try to mount the storage device from my digital camera, I got a lot of I/O error in dmesg
[11:17] <enyc> riotkittie: hrrm maybe something has changed for feisty
[11:17] <enyc> riotkittie: hrrm maybe something has changed for gutsy even
[11:18] <andersin> stoffer_: so then you drop back to console?
[11:18] <eduardo_silva> eduardo_silva, I can mount the memory card with another special device without problems, is possible to mount it too in windows
[11:18] <riotkittie> enyc: i think ntfs r/w's enabled in the kernel. but i am clueless. so. <shuts up>
[11:19] <enyc> riotkittie: well... the thing is...  NTFS kernel driver supports only very limited writing funciotns (not resizing files) ...
[11:19] <enyc> riotkittie: old 2.4 kernel had an unsafe NTFS write i ithkn
[11:20] <stoffer_> andersin: yep, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, can't remember whether it was startx or gdm start that actually made it work, will just test
[11:22] <riotkittie> ah :|
[11:22] <enyc> riotkittie: its not important ;-)
[11:22] <andersin> stoffer_: use ALT+CTRL+F1 to get to a console, setup the xorg.conf, load the nvidia module and then run X
[11:22] <riotkittie> enyc: yeah, but now i'm curious :P
[11:23] <riotkittie> ntfs-3g is installed, so i suppose it is that, after all
[11:23] <andersin> stoffer_: just run /usr/bin/X
[11:23] <stoffer_> andersin: ok, how do I load the nvidia driver using console ?
[11:23] <andersin> modprobe nvidia
[11:24] <stoffer_> andersin: nice, thanks, I'll just try
[11:26] <USMarine> anyone having icons being displayed out of the tray in kde?
[11:26] <andersin> no, seems fine
[11:26] <ScottAS> Hello All.
[11:40] <Marfi> hey hey! after an update, network manager applet doesn't show up in the running tasks. how do i go about bringing it back?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> Marfi: you mean the icon near the clock on upper panel in gnome?
[11:44] <Marfi> gnomefreak, yup. =)
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Marfi: right click panel and add it back ;)
[11:44] <Marfi> gnomefreak, its not that one. it comes under the running tasks
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Marfi: notification area or whatever its called
[11:44] <gnomefreak> Marfi: oh
[11:45] <gnomefreak> Marfi: what updates?
[11:45] <gnomefreak> i only got X and flash update in last ~18 hours
[11:46] <Marfi> gnomefreak, this happened about a week ago, don't recall the update
[11:47] <gnomefreak> Marfi: than its very hard to track down why it isnt there so we can figure out how to add it back you didnt happen to file a bug like you should do when testing?
[11:48] <Marfi> gnomefreak, nope. =( you wouldn't happen to know the name of the applet, so i can try to start it manually?
[11:48] <Crozar> my laptop handles 60 hertz refresh rate but on screen resoloution its on 50 =/ :??
[11:48] <gnomefreak> Marfi: not exactly sure what one you are talking about.
[11:48] <gnomefreak> Crozar: file a bug report
[11:49] <Crozar> cmon its not a bug
[11:49] <Crozar> this is known issue
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Crozar: the X devels dont hang out in here
[11:49] <Crozar> but does this mean ubuntu is using 50 refresh rate?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Crozar: not known to me
[11:49] <Crozar> L:(
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Crozar: its the way X detected your monitor specs
[11:49] <Crozar> i want to know whats my current refresh rate give me a terminal command for direct system proof
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Crozar: only way to fix is fix it in xorg.conf or wait for X devels to fix it
[11:50] <Crozar> ok
[11:50] <pookey> if you try to blink at 50hz, see if the screen looks black, that's the best way to test
[11:50] <Crozar> then il fix in xorg
[11:50] <stoffer_> hi all
[11:50] <Crozar> its black
[11:50] <Crozar> pookey: some opened files get black screen
[11:50] <Leonekl> any one have any idea on how to get concurrency=shell working in gutsy
[11:50] <Leonekl> ?
[11:51] <mase> can someone try to VNC to me?
[11:51] <mase> i need to know if im connectable
[11:52] <andersin> stoffer_: any luck?
[11:52] <stoffer_> I can start X with my nvidia driver installed but not gdm
[11:52] <mase> does anyone have a VNC viewer?
[11:52] <Leonekl> mase try and connect to urself
[11:53] <mase> Leonekl,  its a port problem
[11:53] <Leonekl> using ur own true IP address
[11:53] <stoffer_> andersin: I think at least, have not yet tried a reboot
[11:53] <Leonekl> aha
[11:53] <andersin> stoffer_: well unfortunately, I have no expertise in gdm
[11:53] <Leonekl> ive had issues myself with that thing
[11:53] <Leonekl> firewalls usually
[11:54] <Leonekl> yo mase
[11:54] <mase> yesss
[11:54] <Leonekl> pm me
[11:54] <mase> k
[11:54] <Leonekl> ill try and help ya
[11:54] <Crozar> ok please help m,e
[11:54] <stoffer_> andersin: np, thanks for your help
[11:55] <Crozar> gnomefreak: is ttheyr a way to set a refresh rate on a LOCK?
[11:55] <Crozar> through xorg
[11:55] <gnomefreak> !fixres | Crozar
[11:55] <ubotu> Crozar: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:57] <Leonekl> mase cant pm me/?
[11:57] <mase> Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[11:57] <mase> lol
[11:57] <Leonekl> haha
[11:57] <fhClient> Hi.  I have 2 identical HP computers, maybe 6 months old (Athlon 64 3400 I believe) and both have issues connecting to the Internet through a browser.  I can ping just fine, but there's an unpredictable delay of 2-10 seconds or longer before and while loading pages, where progress simply stops.  I had this problem on Fedora Core 6 but not Fedora 7, and now on Gutsy, both server and desktop, same exact problem.  Running a Br
[11:57] <fhClient> oadcom onboard NIC on both identical PCs.  Any ideas on how to troubleshoot and fix?
[11:57] <mase> well i figured it out works anyways
[11:57] <mase> thanks anyways
[11:57] <Leonekl> hehe
[11:58] <winge-d_angel> is it possible at all to track a floating ubuntu? much like you do when using gentoo?
[11:58] <mase> adios
[11:58] <Seeker`> fhClient: have you tried wget?
[11:58] <milestone777> I got a question maybe someone can help me out with. I'm running ubuntu through VMWare and when I try to go into volume preferences it says there is no gstreamer plugin, and when I checked out the devices it says unknown on everything to do with the pc speaker. Anyone got any ideas?
[11:58] <fhClient> Seeker: Trying now.
[12:00] <winge-d_angel> is it possible at all to track a floating ubuntu? much like you do when using gentoo? i.e. download new packages as they are released by the dev team (testing of course)
[12:01] <jmg> winge-d_angel: update-manager does that
[12:01] <fhClient> Seeker: I ran: `wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/3/3dchess/3dchess_0.8.1.orig.tar.gz` with no trouble.  ~2s to resolve ftp.de.debian.org, then instantaneous download of 46kb
[12:02] <Seeker`> fhClient: so it does'nt sound like a networking problem
[12:02] <winge-d_angel> jmg, not if you are running feisty fawn? unless i don't know something about update-manager...
[12:02] <TokenBad> I am trying to install drivers for the radeon 9250 and everytime I try to install the drivers...get this.  ./ati-installer.sh: 97: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[12:02] <TokenBad> anyone help?
[12:02] <fhClient> Seeker`: I tend to agree.  I don't know enough to troubleshoot what might be happening in the background to cause this.
[12:02] <savvas> winge-d_angel: what do you need? to be a beta tester?
[12:02] <jmg> winge-d_angel: update-manager -d
[12:03] <winge-d_angel> savvas, id like to be, yes
[12:03] <Seeker`> fhClient: any other browers you can check with?
[12:03] <savvas> winge-d_angel: what jmg said, if you want to try the gutsy release
[12:03] <winge-d_angel> savvas, id like to try and emulate what i did with gentoo, i.e. run a floating distro (not critical, so it can be unstable) where i dont ever do major upgrades but small increments
[12:04] <fhClient> Seeker`: Same problem with Epiphany as with Firefox.
[12:04] <savvas> winge-d_angel: then you'd like to try debian unstable/testing :P
[12:04] <jmg> winge-d_angel: you'll find that between now and final, it will move really fast. and final is only 7 days away
[12:04] <Seeker`> fhClient: :S no idea then
[12:04] <winge-d_angel> jmg, so can i always just call update-manager -d and that'l get 'testing' packages?
[12:04] <fhClient> Seeker`: nor do I :-/.  But what would you say if it were specific to Firefox?
[12:04] <winge-d_angel> savvas, hmm, i should look into that
[12:05] <Seeker`> fhClient: i still probably wouldn't  have any idea, but at least you would know what the problem was
[12:05] <winge-d_angel> savvas, any idea how unstable debian testing is?
[12:06] <savvas> does anyone else have this file: /etc/debian_version ?
[12:06] <jmg> winge-d_angel: -d enables the button to upgrade to the development version
[12:06] <cliffstah> hey guys :-)
[12:06] <kRush> savvas, yes
[12:06] <fhClient> Seeker`: yeah.  Would you by any chance be able to point me to a channel where I might get more help?
[12:06] <cliffstah> is it safe to update compiz* yet or are people still having problems with it?
[12:06] <savvas> kRush: does it say lenny/sid ?
[12:06] <winge-d_angel> jmg, and from then onwards ill stay on the development version, moving with the devs? (thats what i wanted)
[12:06] <kRush> os[simon@knatterkiste, Linux 2.6.22-14-generic i686]
[12:06] <kRush> ups
[12:07] <kRush> savvas, yes, it does
[12:07] <savvas> kRush: ok thanks
[12:07] <savvas> that file shouldn't exist :\
[12:08] <Seeker`> fhClient: sorry, agian, no idea - ask here, see if anyone else will respond?
[12:08] <cliffstah> im scared of updating in case I lose my desktop xD
[12:08] <fhClient> Seeker`: All right, thanks.  :)
[12:08] <savvas> winge-d_angel: -d won't give you the beta packages, only if there is a new release, you might want to read here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
[12:08] <filthpig> hi, how is the support for prism chipset in gutsy?
[12:08] <spasticteapot> Anyone know how to enable USB autosuspend?
[12:09] <savvas> cliffstah: then don't
[12:09] <cliffstah> savvas: my question wasn't whether I should update or not
[12:09] <cliffstah> it was whether people are still having problems with the latest compiz update :-)
[12:09] <savvas> cliffstah: mine wasn't an answer, you're afraid to upgrade, then don't :)
[12:10] <savvas> what kind of problems?
[12:10] <cliffstah> Im only afraid if people are still having problems with it :P
[12:10] <cliffstah> crashing, losing window decorations etc.
[12:10] <savvas> the top/bottom panel disappearing bug?
[12:10] <savvas> oh
[12:10] <savvas> oh... :s
[12:10] <cliffstah> I stll have *1004, latest is *1006
[12:10] <savvas> well mine works
[12:10] <fhClient> I'm having an issue with delays during page loads in multiple browsers on two systems with identical hardware, one running 7.10 server and one running 7.10 desktop.  wget and ping don't exhibit this behavior, however.  Might anyone here be able to suggest further troubleshooting steps?
[12:10] <cliffstah> and you have 1006?
[12:10] <winge-d_angel> savvas, basically I want to be able to run a bleeding edge system, but since i love apt so much and hate gentoo too much id like it to be debian/ubuntu based...
[12:11] <savvas> compiz: Installed: 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1
[12:11] <cliffstah> 1008.. xD
[12:11] <cliffstah> methinks my update manager doth lie
[12:11] <savvas> cliffstah: apt-cache policy compiz
[12:11] <savvas> !paste | cliffstah
[12:11] <ubotu> cliffstah: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:11] <cliffstah> I know what pastebin is :-)
[12:12] <cliffstah> not a total numpty :P
[12:12] <savvas> winge-d_angel: the herds/test phases before a stable release is what ubuntu has, I don't know if there's anything else
[12:12] <kRush> fhClient, define delays
[12:12] <cliffstah> ok there we go
[12:12] <macogw> cliffstah: not crashing anymore, occasionally (once every couple days) losing window decorations
[12:12] <cliffstah> I told the update manager to reload
[12:12] <cliffstah> it got it this time
[12:12] <cliffstah> macogw: hey :-) and ah.. cool, that I can deal with :-)
[12:12] <winge-d_angel> savvas, thanks, ill look into those and debian testing for now
[12:13] <savvas> cliffstah: ok update, upgrade and alt-f2 and type this: compiz --replace &
[12:13] <macogw> cliffstah: if you install the fusion-icon (git or my ppa) you can have the thing like in beryl where you click "reload window manager"
[12:13] <cliffstah> I'll just login/logout, there are more updates than just compiz
[12:13] <cliffstah> I have fusion-icon too :-)
[12:13] <cliffstah> can't live without that at the moment
[12:13] <savvas> aw
[12:13] <cliffstah> I switch to metacity to play games
[12:14] <savvas> then give it a hard reboot :P
[12:14] <fhClient> kRush: When I try to load a page, a delay of 2-10 seconds or more occurs where there is no network activity.  Eventually the page may load, or it may not.  Sometimes the page also stops loading for a while.
[12:14] <savvas> cliffstah: I play games perfectly with compiz on
[12:14] <alex_mayorga> hi, can someone help me get out of 800*600
[12:14] <cliffstah> I get lag every 5-10 seconds with compiz running
[12:14] <cliffstah> without, its perfect
[12:14] <savvas> weird
[12:14] <kRush> fhClient, connection type? what dns servers do you use?
[12:14] <macogw> alex_mayorga: system > admin > screens & graphics
[12:15] <alex_mayorga> I have a nvidia geforce4 go 440 on my laptop and it went south on the last updates
[12:15] <cliffstah> lol compiz is so stupidly cool
[12:15] <alex_mayorga> macogw, I've tried both nv and nvidia driver and none would work :(
[12:15] <cliffstah> I have random window transitions, it makes chuckle every time one of them folds up into a paper plane and flies away
[12:16] <macogw> alex_mayorga: did you enable the restricted drivers?
[12:16] <fhClient> kRush: 300KB/sec DSL through SBC/AT&T.  DNS: How do I check?
[12:16] <macogw> cliffstah: yeah i have popups set to fly away as an airplane and normal ones burn
[12:16] <macogw> its fun
[12:16] <cliffstah> lol nice
[12:16] <cliffstah> yeah
[12:16] <marcelo> hello, this is the chanel of gusty gibon?
[12:17] <cliffstah> if im bored I'll actually sit and open/close a few terminals, easily pleased me
[12:17] <alex_mayorga> macogw, yes, they're supposedly "in use" right now, but the laptop is using the vesa driver in reality
[12:17] <fhClient> kRush: dnsdomainname returns hsd1.ca.comcast.net
[12:17] <macogw> alex_mayorga: perhaps the screens & graphics has options depending on *which* nvidia driver you need?
[12:17] <macogw> marcelo: yes
[12:17] <marcelo> ok
[12:17] <macogw> marcelo: see the topic?
[12:18] <marcelo> mm who speak spanish?
[12:18] <filthpig> hi, how is the support for prism chipsets in gutsy? I know ralink is finally working better
[12:18] <marcelo> need the repositories of gusty
[12:18] <marcelo> the original repositories
[12:18] <savvas> fhClient: are you using a bittorrent application?
[12:18] <cliffstah> no idea filthpig, soz
[12:18] <alex_mayorga> macogw, on 2.6.22-13 I was using nvidia if I'm not mistaken
[12:18] <fhClient> savvas: nope.  absolutely nothing open except browsers, gnome-terminal and irc chat
[12:18] <alex_mayorga> !nvidia
[12:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:19] <marcelo> you can send a copy of the original repositories of gusty? macogw
[12:19] <hetauma_> !rc
[12:19] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[12:19] <darkzero> any chances gutsy will update compiz-fusion
[12:19] <macogw> marcelo: what do you mean "original repositories"?  thatd just be feisty's.  it's just updates of that
[12:19] <fhClient> savvas kRush: I also do NOT have problems with other computers connecting to the server via Samba.
[12:19] <savvas> fhClient: try this (it might disconnect you): sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart && sudo avahi-daemon restart
[12:19] <macogw> darkzero: yes we're using 0.6.0 i think
[12:19] <cliffstah> darkzero: what do you mean?
[12:19] <cliffstah> oh.
[12:20] <cliffstah> yeah, what he said :-)
[12:20] <macogw> darkzero: so if you're using something older on feisty, itll be updated
[12:20] <kRush> fhClient, do a dig some.url|grep ms and dig some.url in aaaa|grep ms post here
[12:20] <macogw> cliffstah: she
[12:20] <fhClient> savvas: restarting would have the same effect, right?
[12:20] <cliffstah> sorry, she
[12:20] <cliffstah> my mistake :-)
[12:20] <savvas> fhClient: well... no idea :)
[12:20] <macogw> np
[12:21] <TokenBad> I am trying to install drivers for the radeon 9250 and everytime I try to install the drivers...get this.  ./ati-installer.sh: 97: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[12:21] <TokenBad> anyone help?
[12:21] <darkzero> I meant the latest compiz-fusion plugin and other updates git from compiz-fusion.org
[12:21] <macogw> TokenBad: that card doesnt use fglrx
[12:21] <macogw> TokenBad: it just uses the open source "ati" driver
[12:21] <fhClient> savvas: cuz here's the thing: i'm running two computers with identical hardware, with the same problem on both.  one is restarting right now.
[12:21] <TokenBad> macogw, ok...so I should install what drivers?
[12:21] <fhClient> kRush: fhserver@fileserver:~$ dig cnn.com | grep ms
[12:21] <fhClient> ;; Query time: 28 msec
[12:21] <fhClient> fhserver@fileserver:~$ dig cnn.com in aaaa|grep ms
[12:22] <TokenBad> and there will be no 3d accell with it?
[12:22] <darkzero> as I head from compiz-fusion is closing to stable release
[12:22] <aaroncampbell> I installed the Kubuntu Gutsy beta, and I can't seem to add any more programs with "add programs" ...none are available.  Also, it shows no updates available for anything via adept, but not until after it gets stuck at 26-27% for quite some time
[12:22] <ohsoferrety> Has anyone else had weird problems with Firefox freezing the computer?
[12:22] <macogw> TokenBad: you dont need to install any.  they're preinstalled because they're open source.  just choose the "ati" ones in system > admin > screens & graphics.  and yes, they have 3D acceleration
[12:22] <macogw> ohsoferrety: yes
[12:22] <ohsoferrety> macogw: Same as what happens to me (weird white screen)?
[12:22] <macogw> ohsoferrety: i posted "top" output on here yesterday. 97% CPU on a 1.6ghz core duo and 180mb ram
[12:22] <kRush> fhClient, no output on the last one?
[12:22] <savvas> fhClient: I'm just suggesting stuff, it doesn't mean they'll work, mine gets fixed with the above commands
[12:23] <TokenBad> macogw, ok thanks
[12:23] <fhClient> kRush: correct.
[12:23] <macogw> ohsoferrety: oh. no.  all white screen usually means you tried to use compiz on two users at once
[12:23] <fhClient> savvas: ok.  :)  ill try that ont he other comp so I don't get disconnected.  let me verify again that it's having the same problem.
[12:23] <macogw> aaroncampbell: sudo apt-get update ?
[12:23] <ohsoferrety> macogw: This is with compiz disabled.
[12:23] <macogw> ohsoferrety: weird
[12:23] <alex_mayorga> macogw, seems like there at least three bugs related bug# 137828, bug# 139544 and bug# 146706
[12:24] <macogw> oh damn
[12:24] <ohsoferrety> macogw: I can run Firefox with compiz disabled and it might freeze, but if I have compiz on it'll white-screen-freeze if I load firefox.
[12:24] <macogw> you have to put the # by the numbers instead of the word
[12:24] <kRush> fhClient, in firefox enter about:config set network.dns.disableIPv6 to true
[12:24] <macogw> bug #137828, bug #139544 and bug #146706
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137828 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Dell Latitude nVidia card not handled correctly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137828
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139544 in restricted-manager "Restricted Manager pushes wrong driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139544
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[12:24] <macogw> ah there we go
[12:25] <fhClient> kRush: you are a GENIUS!  its perfect!  :)
[12:25] <darkzero> ,  found a way to used xswerver-xgl 7.2 in gutsy
[12:25] <darkzero> hehe
[12:25] <macogw> ohsoferrety: well no, not my bug. i have intel graphics and my firefox (gp) has extraordinary system resource usage after 5 or 6 hours of running
[12:25] <kRush> fhClient, no prob =)
[12:25] <fhClient> savvas kRush thank you for your help!
[12:26] <ohsoferrety> macogw: Ah, I haven't had that problem yet.
[12:26] <aaroncampbell> macogw: when I do that, I see a bunch of errors about not being able to connect to security.ubuntu.com:80
[12:26] <darkzero> I probably be doing more tweaking
[12:26] <macogw> aaroncampbell: do you have a proxy?
[12:26] <aaroncampbell> No
[12:26] <macogw> are the repos down?
[12:26] <ohsoferrety> macogw: I think my issue is with the nvidia-glx-new drivers. However, I upgrade those from nvidia-glx after having an issue with switching to GNOME form tty1.
[12:26] <ohsoferrety> ***from
[12:27] <ohsoferrety> macogw: Are you using MIT's repos?
[12:27] <cliffstah> . o O ( radiohead's new album is quite brilliant )
[12:27] <thelaser> Only dvds of the rc?
[12:27] <macogw> ohsoferrety: sorry i use intel graphics *shrug*
[12:27] <macogw> ohsoferrety: no, us
[12:27] <jmg> cliffstah: dethklok > radiohead.
[12:27] <alex_mayorga> macogw, I don't think so I can update just fine
[12:27] <cliffstah> shush
[12:27] <cliffstah> heathen
[12:27] <aaroncampbell> macogw: people would have noticed...I've had the same problem after 3 installs over the last week
[12:27] <ohsoferrety> Anyone know anything about nvidia drivers?
[12:27] <macogw> aaroncampbell: weirddd...messed up dns?
[12:27] <macogw> thelaser: where?? ive been trying to find a torrent to see
[12:28] <macogw> *seed
[12:28] <Demize> ohsoferrety: I do: They don't seem to work. :(
[12:28] <alex_mayorga> ohsoferrety, did your video went south after latest updates?
[12:28] <ohsoferrety> Not quite.
[12:28] <thelaser> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/rc/
[12:28] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[12:28] <darkzero> I'm sure envy video install driver will be update soon for those who want to install their video card the easy way
[12:28] <aaroncampbell> I can open conqueror, and get to http://security.ubuntu.com no problem...I get a directory listing with one link... an ubuntu dir
[12:28] <alex_mayorga> ohsoferrety, what card you've got?
[12:28] <thelaser> I don't see any cd images, unless yesterday's daily *is* the RC.
[12:29] <contrast83> Anyone aware of a fix for the "no backlight on laptops" bug?
[12:29] <ohsoferrety> alex_mayorga: NVIDIA GeForce 6100 (onboard)
[12:29] <Demize> ohsoferrety: Which card? Sound or video?
[12:29] <macogw> darkzero: restricted driver isnt easy?
[12:29] <ohsoferrety> Demize: Video.
[12:29] <alex_mayorga> ohsoferrety, I'm stuck at the vesa driver with a GeForce4 440 Go
[12:29] <Demize> Mine works, but I don't know if mine is Nvidia or not.
[12:29] <ohsoferrety> alex_mayorga: That sucks.
[12:29] <spasticteapot> I think that GNOME is on the fritz.
[12:29] <alex_mayorga> macogw, any pointers on my case?
it easy but for those who want the latest driver
[12:30] <spasticteapot> I just downloaded the latest updates, rebooted, and it told me the GNOME settings daemon is not working.
[12:30] <contrast83> Or alternately, does the "no backlight" bug only occur with a certain kernel?
[12:30] <ohsoferrety> Basically, my issue is that my screen randomly freezes when using Firefox without compiz, and will freeze right away if I load Firefox with compiz on.
[12:30] <hjmills> hey, any estimated date for integration of evolution 2.14?
[12:30] <alex_mayorga> spasticteapot, happen to me also
[12:30] <Demize> Anyone know how to get my HDA NVIDIA/Symatel card working? From what I've, but I have Gusty now. seen on the forms it won't
[12:30] <spasticteapot> Why is nothing zarking working with Ubuntu?
[12:30] <macogw> alex_mayorga: nope
[12:30] <alex_mayorga> spasticteapot, do an aptitude update/dist-upgrade and reboot, helped on my case
[12:30] <spasticteapot> The release date is what, Wednesday?
[12:31] <delight> thelaser: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/
[12:31] <macogw> darkzero: umm...i wasnt aware "sudo ./nvidia-installer.sh" was difficult
[12:31] <darkzero> thundersday
[12:31] <aaroncampbell> macogw: I also noticed that it tried to check the CDROM...I put the beta CD back in, and the available packages skyrockets from 960 to 23113 packages
[12:31] <darkzero> ooops
[12:31] <macogw> spasticteapot: thursday
[12:31] <alex_mayorga> =(
[12:31] <darkzero> I meant thursday
[12:31] <cliffstah> restart time, wish me luck :P
[12:31] <Demize> Good luck!
[12:31] <macogw> aaroncampbell: remove the cd rom from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:31] <alex_mayorga> cliffstah, good luck
[12:32] <cliffstah> lol thanks :-)
lol, any its depend on how people install their driver
[12:32] <alex_mayorga> macogw, where should I go, devel?
[12:32] <alex_mayorga> is there a restricted drivers channel of sorts?
[12:32] <thelaser> delight: ah, thanks muchly.
[12:33] <darkzero> <  need to get myself a macbook soon
[12:33] <Demize> Can anyone help me?
[12:33] <macogw> alex_mayorga: this is about it..just ask now and then and an nvidia user may pop up
[12:33] <darkzero> Demize with what?
[12:34] <darkzero> <  ati user
[12:35] <spasticteapot> darkzero: Nvidia for great win!
[12:35] <hjmills> will evolution 2.14 make it into gutsy?
[12:35] <spasticteapot> :P
[12:35] <USMarine> < nvidia
[12:35] <cliffstah> perfect :-)
[12:35] <Demize> I have the HDA Nvidia / Sigmatel STAC9200 Audio card. It won't work, nobody on the forums has any info. I was wondering if anyone here could help.
[12:36] <Demize> I'm also on Gusty, so that might work.
yeah I notice and I might switch with my new pc next year
[12:36] <alex_mayorga> anyone knows how to install "the special legacy NVIDIA GPU driver releases." ??
[12:36] <macogw> <-- intel. it never breaks.
[12:36] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, yes
[12:36] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, please save the day :)
[12:37] <darkzero> anyone else love breaking their system beise me
[12:37] <darkzero> lol
[12:37] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[12:37] <aaroncampbell> macogw: I did, and I'll try it again without the CD after the current update (about 350M to download)
[12:37] <mrj> we wouldn't use gutsy if we didn't like breaking systems
[12:37] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, let me try that
[12:37] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, anything else afterwards?
[12:37] <darkzero> lol
[12:38] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, possibly edit the xorg.conf but afaik thats pretty much it. the xorg might be done in a post-inst script hopefully
[12:38] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, what driver should I pick from then on, nv?
[12:38] <pvandewyngaerde> can i make an encrypted partition, and make my PC only start if my  USB stick , with the encryption key is in ?
[12:39] <darkzero> I'm curious, what the max memory everyone install on their system for performance
[12:39] <alex_mayorga> darkzero, as much as you can
[12:39] <alex_mayorga> I have only 128 MB here and it goes fine
I know but I want to know what they have now
[12:40] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, no, nvidia for the official, binary, 3d driver. nv is just the open source driver with no 3d support
[12:40] <macogw> alex_mayorga: nv = open source driver. no 3d
[12:40] <alex_mayorga> hjmills, OK, let me try that, thanks in advance
[12:40] <macogw> oh
[12:40] <macogw> what he said
[12:40] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, there is also another driver which i cant remember the name of which is open source and does do 3d but thats in dev stll
[12:40] <hjmills> alex_mayorga, good luck,
[12:40] <hjmills> night all
[12:41] <macogw> darkzero: i have 1GB, my mom has 768MB, and my dad's linux box (he doesn't use it, siblings do) has 192MB (that's running Debian though)
i see, thanks
[12:42] <cmp5> anyone know why evince 2.20.0 on gutsy would show only a blank window when opening pdfs?
[12:42] <darkzero> be surprising if someone here is using 8gb of memory
[12:43] <gnomefreak> macogw: not possible atm i think 3gig mem is max i know its less than 8gig without hacking it)
[12:44] <macogw> gnomefreak: er....why are you tellling me that?
[12:44] <macogw> its more like 3.2G really
[12:44] <macogw> you can get >4G with 64bit
[12:44] <macogw> i mean, if you have 4G on 32bit, it only sees like 3.2G
[12:44] <gnomefreak> macogw: sorry it was for darkzero
[12:44] <macogw> because a few of the registers get ignored
[12:44] <macogw> or used for something else
[12:45] <darkzero> gnomefreak, that respone to me
[12:45] <macogw> at least, ive read that's the eason
[12:45] <darkzero> lol
[12:45] <Moduliz0r> I can't wait for the official release :D
[12:45] <gnomefreak> Moduliz0r: what do you expect the final release to have that it doesnt have now?
[12:46] <kRush> less bugs =p
[12:46] <Moduliz0r> gnomefreak: Yeah
[12:46] <Moduliz0r> i have 2 Desktop bits in Places
[12:46] <Moduliz0r> it did have a load of doubles
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Moduliz0r: yep
[12:46] <Moduliz0r> but I'll be happier to know I'm running an official release when I can
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> :D 5 days or so
[12:47] <USMarine> i'm running an oficial release
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> :O
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> of 7.10?
[12:47] <USMarine> it's just no the final yet
[12:47] <darkzero> what missing in gutsy repository is libxine-extracodecs
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> haha
[12:47] <Moduliz0r> Ok then I mean the final
[12:48] <Moduliz0r> you IRC guys are so picky
[12:48] <USMarine> ye, i am with girls indeed
[12:48] <darkzero> why are we picky?
[12:48] <darkzero> lol
[12:48] <Moduliz0r> just picking out the little mistakes of a newbie
[12:48] <Moduliz0r> ^_^
[12:49] <USMarine> well, i don't know if you're a newbie
[12:49] <USMarine> it doesn't say that in your nick
[12:49] <kRush> will .23 kernel make it into gutsy?
[12:49] <USMarine> it doesn't say im a newbie either in my nick
[12:49] <crdlb> kRush, no
[12:49] <USMarine> kRush: yes, maybe not in time of the first release
[12:49] <Moduliz0r[Newbie> now it does
[12:49] <darkzero> < still a new but getting to pro soon
[12:49] <jojo4u> ... well the release candidate is on cdimage/release.ubuntu now. but no reference on the main page or devel-announce or the wiki. is this intentional? just wondering.
[12:49] <darkzero> hehehe
[12:49] <crdlb> kRush, 22 was chosen months ago
[12:50] <kRush> ok thx
[12:50] <crdlb> it's *way* too late to switch kernel release
[12:50] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> meh, ubuntu works already
[12:50] <darkzero> once I learn all there is aout linux, I might be exspire to be a programmer myself
[12:50] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> isn't that the main thing?
[12:51] <darkzero> Anyway, I'm off now
[12:51] <darkzero> later all
[12:52] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> Loller.
[12:52] <ChaosParser> USMarine: What was that supposed to mean?
[12:53] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> Is Compiz Fusion included in the beta release of 7.10?
[12:53] <riotkittie> Moduliz0r|Newbie: yes
[12:53] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> ok cool
[12:53] <ohsoferrety> THIS is what happens. My PC just locked up again ironically on nvidia's own website: http://ferretton.mine.nu/strangeness.jpg
[12:53] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> i need to restart but i have 300odd updates to do first
[12:53] <USMarine> ChaosParser: ?
[12:53] <USMarine> Moduliz0r|Newbie: yes
[12:55] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> do the nvidia restricted drivers enable  TV-out?
[12:55] <USMarine> didn' try it yet
[12:55] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> OK
[12:55] <USMarine> but think so
[12:55] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> Cool
[12:55] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> Well it doesn't matter much anyway, I don't have a HDTV and my card only outputs HDTV i think
[12:55] <Eminence> (gusty beta) my xorg.conf is configured to use the 'nv' driver, but a lsmod reports that 'nvidia' is loaded.  any idea what's up with this?
[12:56] <savvas> ohsoferrety: maybe a flash problem
[12:56] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> SMB support is awesome :)
[12:56] <ohsoferrety> savvas: This never happened before
[12:57] <USMarine> Eminence: sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite -d 24
[12:57] <savvas> ohsoferrety: uname -r
[12:57] <savvas> ohsoferrety: actually: uname -a
[12:57] <ohsoferrety> savvas: Linux ferret 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Wed Oct 10 06:00:47 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:58] <savvas> ok I'll be quiet now
[12:58] <savvas> :P
[12:58] <Eminence> USMarine, ok.  that seems to have changed my xorg.conf to use the 'nvidia' driver instead
[12:58] <USMarine> Eminence: no shit
[12:58] <Moduliz0r|Newbie> haha
[12:59] <ohsoferrety> savvas: Lol, what do you mean?
[12:59] <savvas> skipping non-regular file "ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso"
[12:59] <savvas> skipping non-regular file "ubuntu-7.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso"
[12:59] <savvas> hm..
[12:59] <savvas> rsync doesn't work anymore?
[12:59] <USMarine> Eminence: you need to restart the Xserver to update
[12:59] <Moduliz0r> is .iso an open format?
[12:59] <savvas> Moduliz0r: well.. I think so, mkisofs uses it
[12:59] <Moduliz0r> well it's mighty popular
[01:00] <Moduliz0r> so i hope it is :|
[01:00] <thelaser> savvas: you need -L
[01:00] <thelaser> to follow the link
[01:00] <MisterN> .iso is just the file system used on CDs
[01:00] <MisterN> be it open or not
[01:00] <Eminence> so here's another question. why does 'nvidia-settings' report that i'm not using the NVIDIA X driver (whereas as far as i can tell, i am)
[01:01] <savvas> thelaser: cheers :)
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> have you restarted the X Server?
[01:01] <USMarine> Eminence: you didn't restart the Xserver
[01:01] <Eminence> yes, i did
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> again?
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> did you have to re-login?
[01:01] <Eminence> i even get the fancy nvidia splash graphic
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> hmm
[01:01] <Eminence> yes, i logged out, and ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:01] <Moduliz0r> didn't it used to be Shift+Backspace? that was annoying
[01:02] <riotkittie> nice. gparted is playing hide and seek.
[01:02] <Moduliz0r> gparted is a life saver
[01:02] <Moduliz0r> ./eLife Saver
[01:02] <riotkittie> argh.
[01:03] <USMarine> Eminence: try restarting though i'm not sure if it will do any difference since that's quite odd
[01:03] <savvas> riotkittie: gksu gparted :p
[01:03] <Eminence> i have also tried running the driver installer from nvidia's website, with no luck (that is, nvidia-settings still reports that i'm not using an nvidia driver)
[01:03] <Moduliz0r> gparted is on the live cd but i'm not sure if I can find it on an installed system
[01:03] <riotkittie> savvas: i may be clueless, but i'm not /that/ far gone :P
[01:04] <Moduliz0r> might have to install it
[01:04] <Moduliz0r> :|
[01:04] <savvas> riotkittie: you said it was hiding.. I thought I might give it a hand to reveal itself :p
[01:04] <Moduliz0r> it seems to have gone away
[01:04] <riotkittie> i had it running, and it closed itself when i deactivated one of my /swaps
[01:04] <Eminence> USMarine, i've tried restarting before.  (doing so again to be sure) but i have a feeling that it won't make any difference either
[01:04] <savvas> Moduliz0r: it's packed for the live cd, but not for the installation
[01:05] <Moduliz0r> savvas: Thought so
[01:05] <savvas> s/for/in
[01:05] <TFrog> i'm curious as to how stable gutsy gibon beta is and if the ATI proprietary drivers work without issue
[01:05] <kristjan_> what happened with kdm? why do I have to "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart" in order to see changes made to kdmtheme?
[01:05] <savvas> TFrog: the release candidate is out
[01:06] <USMarine> TFrog: i have some issues
[01:06] <TFrog> ty savvas. i'll have to update and download an image for backup purposes
[01:06] <jburris> the ATI drivers are working for me, but the effects won't enable
[01:06] <riotkittie> ah ha. turning /swap on has the same effect. i've never seen gparted do this. then again, i usually use the gparted live CD
[01:06] <TFrog> what issues USMarine?
[01:06] <Eminence> also, unrelated i think, but i'll mention it anyway:  during shutdown, it appears to hang at 'Stopping network connection manager NetworkManager'  and 2 minutes later: 'run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager existed with return code 2'
[01:06] <USMarine> sometimes my icons don't open in tray
[01:06] <USMarine> and open like normal windows
[01:06] <TFrog> ah. could be a video issue
[01:07] <Eminence> anybody happen to know if is this a known issue?
[01:07] <TFrog> my only other question is how well does ndiswrapper work in the new release. i had issues with fiesty. turned out to be the driver itself
[01:08] <USMarine> all my hardware works with native drivers
[01:08] <riotkittie>  segmentation fault. ah ha.
[01:08] <Moduliz0r> driver support in ubuntu is pretty good
[01:08] <TFrog> USMarine, i hate the native driver for broadcom. it's just another windows hack as i see it
[01:08] <riotkittie> i have the native driver for ralink :(
[01:08] <TFrog> sorry Moduliz0r, i'm a KDE fan myself
[01:09] <USMarine> mine is an Aethos
[01:09] <Moduliz0r> :P
[01:09] <TFrog> i could only wish i had Atheros in this Compaq laptop
[01:09] <USMarine> kde ftw
[01:09] <Eminence> i've had some issues with the native broadcom driver, too.  seems my card will refuse to talk to some access points
[01:09] <Moduliz0r> me ftw!
[01:09] <USMarine> since Acer didn't release 64bit drivers
[01:09] <USMarine> i switched to linux
[01:10] <savvas> oh god no, no more ftw, you wow maniacs are all over irc! :p
[01:10] <Moduliz0r> Sony lacks for 64bit drivers and any Linux drivers
[01:10] <Moduliz0r> they can rot in hell
[01:10] <savvas> no offense btw :)
[01:10] <Danaman5> If I have the gutsy beta, do I need to do anything special to upgrade to the Gutsy RC?
[01:10] <USMarine> yeah, wait
[01:10] <riotkittie> ftw ftl
[01:10] <TFrog> i won't run the 64 bit till there is enough true 64 bit software for it
[01:10] <Moduliz0r> wow maniacs?  I know ralink is finally working better.. I'm specifically wondering about a ZyXEL/ZyAIR B-120
[01:13] <Stevethepirate> savvas: my sound is phail though
[01:13] <Danaman5> ChaosParser: Ok, maybe it already updated me, it just didn't call it an RC upgrade.  Thanks
[01:13] <MisterN> Moduliz0r: users who don't like rootkits don't exist either... for sony
[01:13] <Stevethepirate> /dev/dsp does not exist
[01:13] <riotkittie> finally working better? hee. hee. hee. <dies>
[01:13] <Moduliz0r> true
[01:13] <USMarine> Stevethepirate: at least i have net, can't say the same about most pirates
[01:13] <savvas> Stevethepirate: cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:14] <ChaosParser> Moduliz0r: If you're using linux, why do you care about the software from a company in bed with Microsoft?
[01:14] <riotkittie> well wait. my ralink doesnt freeze my system in gutsy. that was a step up :P
[01:14] <Stevethepirate> savvas: nothing there
[01:14] <Moduliz0r> Heh, the "Most users, I think don't know what a rootkit is..." quote :P
[01:14] <Stevethepirate> /proc/asound doesn't exist
[01:14] <Moduliz0r> I used to use XP x64 about 20 minutes ago
[01:14] <ChaosParser> Danaman5: You are using Gutsy, right?
[01:14] <Moduliz0r> so I do care
[01:14] <savvas> Stevethepirate: lspci and paste it somewhere, like http://pastebin.ca
[01:14] <ChaosParser> Moduliz0r: Oh, you're a brand-n00b.
[01:14] <slasher> yo
[01:14] <ChaosParser> Welcome.
[01:14] <Danaman5> ChaosParser: Yes, I am
[01:14] <Moduliz0r> I've used ubuntu before
[01:14] <ohsoferrety> !pastebin
[01:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:15] <Moduliz0r> but i changed graphics card and couldn't be bothered to change configs
[01:15] <savvas> Stevethepirate: also include this: sudo lshw
[01:15] <filthpig> riotkittie: there you go ;)
[01:15] <savvas> ohsoferrety: i prefer the canadians :P
[01:15] <savvas> lol
[01:16] <filthpig> Also my Linksys WUSB54GC (rt73) went from not working (with WEP enabled) in feisty to working in gutsy.. Although it dies randomly and requires unplugging and replugging
[01:16] <ohsoferrety> hahaha
[01:16] <savvas> we have a copy-cat among us!
[01:16] <RootKitty> :O
[01:16] <RootKitty> mine is RootKitty
[01:16] <RootKitty> not Riotkittie
[01:16] <savvas> so?
[01:16] <RootKitty> :|
[01:16] <savvas> you're still a copy-cat :p
[01:16] <filthpig> hey it's been a long day, cut me some slack :p
[01:16] <RootKitty> i copied sony?
[01:16] <Stevethepirate> http://pastebin.ca/733618 @ savvas
[01:16] <filthpig> not slackware, though
[01:17] <savvas> let's see
[01:17] <alex_mayorga> anyone that might help me get out of 800*600 video?
[01:17] <savvas> Stevethepirate: you haven't posted a bug about it have you?
[01:17] <Stevethepirate> No.
[01:17] <RootKitty> tbh I'd have thought this nick would be registered
[01:17] <riotkittie> i bet i look better in a dress.
[01:17] <riotkittie> then again, maybe not. D:
[01:17] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Video card?
[01:18] <filthpig> there are very few kitties in the linuxing world :p
[01:18] <savvas> #
[01:18] <savvas> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[01:18] <RootKitty> i look better bundled on a Sony Music CD
[01:18] <savvas> it should work :\
[01:18] <Stevethepirate> savvas: if only.
[01:18] <Stevethepirate> I'm asking another dude in #alsa
[01:18] <RootKitty> I also look better when caught changing CD drivers
[01:18] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser,  nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]  [10de:0174]  (rev a3) according to lspci -nn
[01:19] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Does it show as installed in the restricted driver manager?
[01:19] <USMarine> alex_mayorga: how big is your monitor?
[01:19] <alex_mayorga> USMarine, 26"
[01:19] <RootKitty> i'm stuck in some weird box resolution
[01:19] <RootKitty> but i haven't restarted since i installed the restricted drivers
[01:19] <Stevethepirate> savvas: gutsy's been okay.
[01:19] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: Just edit your xorg.  sudo gedit etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:19] <Stevethepirate> with the exception of my video problems..
[01:20] <ChaosParser> alex_mayorga: throw the desired resolution in front of all the others, everywhere a resolution is listed.
[01:20] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, it shows ans in use and has a checkbox that is checked and a green check
[01:20] <ChaosParser> Gutsy is a godsend.
[01:20] <ChaosParser> It's easier to install than windows now.
[01:20] <Stevethepirate> Luls
[01:20] <Moduliz0r> Gutsy is cool
[01:20] <savvas> Stevethepirate: laptop?
[01:20] <Stevethepirate> desktop
[01:20] <ChaosParser> Stevethepirate: whats your problem?
[01:20] <filthpig> there is one bug in the ubuntu installer that annoys me though
[01:20] <alex_mayorga> ChaosParser, let me try that


[16:15] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley, how are you?
[16:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey! I'm well, yourself?
[16:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: how was UDS?
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, cold ;)
[16:42] <m_conley> sounds about right.
[16:42] <m_conley> :)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> other than that, it wasn't too bad
[16:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I have a bit of a conundrum on my hands - was wondering if I could get a consultation from you
[16:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797547
[16:43] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 797547 in Widget: Gtk "After clearing Downloads Panel list, panel pops up way to the left of the Downloads toggle button." [Normal,Reopened]
[16:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: do you have any idea what might be going on there?
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> i'll take a look when i get a few moments. i've spent the last couple of days with my head buried in widget code :)
[16:44] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: cool, thanks
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, oh, just lookint at your screenshot reminded me - this is what my download panel looks like: http://ubuntuone.com/1NOpciykc4WAz2wBMEHsZ7 ;)
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> (i've got patches to improve the arrow panel styling, and make a fallback work on screens without compositing)
[16:50] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: coolbeans. :)
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> i need to report a bug and get those reviewed :)


[08:31] <sakrecoer[bpist]> FOSS positivity of the day: https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity
[08:31] <sakrecoer[bpist]> look at all the contributors <3
[08:36] <Visual69[m]> Do you feel fine with the fact GitHub is owned by Microsoft?
[08:39] <sakrecoer[bpist]> no. but i feel fine that there's an active fork and that it's attracting contribution
[08:40] <Visual69[m]> Sure and sorry for question a bit out of topic
[08:42] <sakrecoer[bpist]> no worries! :) after 35 years on internet, i tend to mostly see the good intentions in most questions and the people asking them.
[08:42] <sakrecoer[bpist]>  * no worries! :) after 25 years on internet, i tend to mostly see the good intentions in most questions and the people asking them.
[08:43] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 25... not 35! hehe :p
[08:43] <Visual69[m]> Well, here on computer  keyboards since 1983
[08:46] <sakrecoer[bpist]> boom! i'm 5 years behind on that. I'm still a useless dev though :) anyways! we should it to the Café if we continue go down memory lane!
[08:53] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Visual69 for reference: #ubuntu-studio-offtopic:matrix.org
[09:22] <Visual69[m]> 👍


[05:25] <thatsk> anyone is here
[05:25] <thatsk> to answer
[05:25] <thatsk> some question
[05:36] <thatsk> ?
[15:07] <Srijan32> Hello Everyone, I am trying to do an auto install using cloud-init version 22.4.2-0ubuntu0~22.04.1
[15:07] <Srijan32> Here is my user-data.
[15:07] <Srijan32>   late-commands:
[15:07] <Srijan32>     - curtin in-target -- wget https://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.18/Python-2.7.18.tgz
[15:07] <Srijan32>     - curtin in-target -- tar -zxvf Python-2.7.18.tgz
[15:07] <Srijan32>     - curtin in-target -- pwd
[15:07] <Srijan32>     - curtin in-target -- cd /target/Python-2.7.18
[15:07] <Srijan32>     - curtin in-target -- ./configure && make && checkinstall
[15:07] <Srijan32> When I try to boot the system, it gives me the following error:
[15:07] <Srijan32> chroot; failed to run command 'cd': No such file or directory
[15:09] <dbungert> the directory you changed to under target doesn't mean you are in the python directory for the configure step.  Those are seperate shells.
[15:09] <dbungert> for intricate scripting you may find it more convenient to make a secondary script, then download and run that
[15:12] <Srijan32> Thank you Dbungert, will try creating this on a separate script
[15:16] <Srijan32> When I get into the shell, I see the filesystem and also I see the /target directory. I also see the Python-2.7.18 drectory there, just cannot cd into it
[17:15] <Guest8539> Hi folks
[17:17] <meena> who are all these impatient people?
[17:21] <Guest8539> We configure our machines using cloud-init in two phases/steps. Using user-data for the machine, let's say it's on AWS, we pass in the initial configuration. This cloud-init configuration, after running all the tasks, downloads another configuration and now we need to run the second configuration on the machine.
[17:21] <Guest8539> We were doing something like this at the end of the first configuration thinking that this is all that we need. But it seems like this still runs the first configuration?
[17:21] <Guest8539> ```
[17:21] <Guest8539> cloud-init clean
[17:21] <Guest8539> cloud-init --file /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/my-custom.cfg init
[17:21] <Guest8539> ```
[17:22] <Guest8539> > But it seems like this still runs the first configuration?
[17:22] <Guest8539> I mean it does execute the configuration at `/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/my-custom.cfg` but it also re-runs the first configuration.
[17:28] <blackboxsw> Guest8539: so, cloud-init clean means that cloud-init will treat the 2nd launch as a clean new system and re-run everything it sees from the discovered datasource (Ec2 IMDS @  http://<IP_ADDRESS>) plus overrides in your new config in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/my-custom.cfg
[17:30] <blackboxsw> cloud-init is generally  intended to run once in most cases (with the exception of opting in to network hotplug). What kind of use-case (cloud-config changes) are you trying to apply on the 2nd boot?
[17:30] <Guest8539> Thanks for the reply, what if instead of running `cloud-init clean`, I just delete `/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg` and then run `cloud-init --file /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/my-custom.cfg init`?
[17:34] <Guest8539> > What kind of use-case (cloud-config changes) are you trying to apply on the 2nd boot?
[17:34] <Guest8539> We have some sensitive configurations that we don't inject using the user data. We download them using a single-use token at the end of the first run and then would like to just run that configuration. It serves us some other use cases as well like overcoming userdata limitations from some cloud providers end.
[17:35] <blackboxsw> Guest8539: I think we need to back up to understand what supplemental config you are looking for.. there are ways you could inject an executable /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-boot/yourscript.sh that will get run on next boot even when cloud-init doesn't redetect that it needs to perform a full setup.
[17:36] <blackboxsw> hrm. trying to think this through.
[17:36] <jchittum> Guest8539: I'm guessing that this second cloud-init run is a manual step? that a human is logging in, inputting a token, etc? and you don't even want the token being transmitted in the original cloud-init?
[17:37] <Srijan15> Need help running the following using curtin
[17:37] <Srijan15>     - curtin in-target -- wget https://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.18/Python-2.7.18.tgz
[17:37] <Srijan15>     - curtin in-target -- tar -zxvf Python-2.7.18.tgz
[17:37] <Srijan15>     - curtin in-target -- sh -c cd /target/Python-2.7.18
[17:37] <Srijan15>     - curtin in-target -- pwd
[17:37] <Srijan15>     - curtin in-target -- sh -c ./configure && sh -c make && sh -c checkinstall
[17:37] <Srijan15> These doesnt seem to work, getting the error message no such file or directory. However, when I boot I am able to see Python-2.7.18 under the target directory
[17:39] <Guest8539> Sorry for causing a bit of confusion. I only want to run all the configurations on the first boot. To simplify what I want to achieve; cloud-init picks userdata and executes it. In the end, using a script, we want to switch to another cloud-config and execute it.
[17:42] <falcojr> Guest8539: Cloud-init really isn't intended to do that. You can clean and then change (or override) the various *_modules lists in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg to decide what to run, but that's going to be fragile in the long term
[17:42] <blackboxsw> Srijan15: I think that's probably best placed question for the #curtin channel because it is not cloud-init ... but dbungert responded to you earlier with the solution there "the directory you changed to under target doesn't mean you are in the python directory for the configure step.  Those are separate shells.
[17:42] <blackboxsw> 08:09 for intricate scripting you may find it more convenient to make a secondary script, then download and run that"
[17:47] <blackboxsw> what dbungert pointed out was your separate `in-target` lines mean a completely different shell, thereforce any cd you are performing is lost on your next curtin in-target invocation you'd either need to do it all on one line in the single curtin in-target call, or wget some script you are hosting from elsewhere.
[17:48] <Srijan15> Let me try putting them all in a single line using && and check
[17:49] <Guest8539> > Cloud-init really isn't intended to do that
[17:49] <Guest8539> Basically, it's a legacy software that we want to fix. We have long moved away from this dual configuration thing.
[17:50] <Guest8539> As an example, I'm not sure if it's okay to post code snippets here:
[17:50] <Guest8539> ```
[17:50] <Guest8539> #cloud-config
[17:50] <Guest8539> write_files:
[17:50] <Guest8539> - path: '/opt/bin/firstrun.sh'
[17:50] <Guest8539>   content: |-
[17:50] <Guest8539>     #!/bin/bash
[17:50] <Guest8539>     yum install -y curl jq
[17:50] <Guest8539>     echo "#cloud-config\nssh_pwauth: false" > /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/my-custom.cfg
[17:51] <Guest8539>     cloud-init clean
[17:51] <Guest8539>     cloud-init --file /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/my-custom.cfg init
[17:51] <Guest8539> - path: '/etc/systemd/system/firstrun.service'
[17:51] <Guest8539>   content: |-
[17:51] <Guest8539>     [Service]
[17:51] <Guest8539>     Type=oneshot
[17:51] <Guest8539>     RemainAfterExit=true
[17:51] <Guest8539>     ExecStart=/opt/bin/firstrun
[17:51] <Guest8539> runcmd:
[17:51] <falcojr> Guest8539: In IRC, please use a pastebin service
[17:52] <blackboxsw> Guest8539: per falcojr's message, the fragility comes from a permanently customized my-custom.cfg  will only allow certain subset of modules. If someone migrates or clones that VM in EC2 (or other datasources) the IMDS will change the instance-id that the IMDS gives in metadata. It tells cloud-init will try to re-run all modules to create new users/setup new host SSH keys etc.. But, my-custom.cfg will only permit running a subset.
[17:52] <blackboxsw> So your images will not fully realize any config changes requested by the datasource IMDS.
[17:52] <Guest8539> Here is the pastebin https://pastebin.pl/view/3411eb9e
[17:54] <Guest8539> blackboxsw I'm fine with that but is it possbile to do this? Like just run the custom configuration and not the actual configuration from userdata? I think with `cloud-init clean` it's not possible since in that case cloud-config will be re-fetched from the userdata as well.
[18:00] <blackboxsw> Guest8539: generally running `cloud-init init` outside of the normal boot process is a very fragile because it's only one of the bootstages applicable to initial system setup which need to be run in order https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/explanation/boot.html#boot-stages
[18:01] <blackboxsw> trying to invoke that while within cloud-init's inital boot in the runcmd is designed to burn you with many potential cornercases
[18:05] <blackboxsw> Guest8539: so that I understand: it seems like you can't take a completely clean base cloudimage and provide your custom user-data via write_files with whatever additional user-data. Are instead taking a legacy VM that was launched at one point with #cloud-config userdata and trying to additionally modify it to run some suppplemental configuration?
[18:07] <Guest8539> Yes that is one use case that we have unfortunately
[18:23] <blackboxsw> Guest8539: so somehow you are getting into the system, writing a file that emits a script, and trying to run that script across system reboot right?
[18:26] <blackboxsw> Guest8539: since you are in the system, you could just add your script to /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-boot  and either run `sudo cloud-init single --name scripts-per-boot` or reboot the node and it'll perform supplemental config.  You'd have to ensure that /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-boot/yourscript.sh is chmod 755  and also idempotent. But, that avoids the cloud-init clean mess from within cloud-init boot stages
[18:27] <falcojr> looks like it's a separate cloud-config though, not just a script
[18:31] <blackboxsw> get's dicey, could run `sudo cloud-init single --name runcmd --frequency always` but yeah it's not ideal.I was just reading the abbreviated cloud-config written and it seems to be just something could be contained in a one-off script. not really needing cloud-config in general. But, I realize the paste was probably redacted