[10:00] <ddaa> MEETING STARTS
[10:00] <thumper> here :-)
[10:00] <ddaa> == Agenda ==
[10:00] <ddaa> Next meeting Monday 18 December, 09:00-09:45 UTC.
[10:00] <ddaa>  * roll call
[10:00] <ddaa>  * production status
[10:00] <ddaa>  * status reports
[10:00] <ddaa> == Roll call ==
[10:00] <ddaa> No apology.
[10:00] <ddaa> lifeless: ping
[10:00] <ddaa> jamesh: ping
[10:00] <thumper> lifeless is on leave
[10:00] <ddaa> SteveA: ping
[10:00] <jamesh> pong
[10:00] <ddaa> right
[10:01] <thumper> good turnout tonight
[10:01] <spiv> Hello.
[10:02] <thumper> hi
[10:02] <ddaa> spiv: welcome
[10:02] <ddaa> so, lifeless on vac
[10:02] <spiv> Shouldn't this be on the internal irc server?
[10:02] <ddaa> poolie late
[10:02] <ddaa> hu?
[10:02] <ddaa> I guess it would make more sense
[10:02] <thumper> spiv: it has always been on the public one before, but I don't mind
[10:02] <jamesh> spiv: it is notionally public.
[10:03] <ddaa> yeah
[10:03] <spiv> jamesh: oh, ok, I assumed otherwise.
[10:03] <jamesh> spiv: the #launchpad-meeting channel did not move
[10:03] <spiv> In that case, carry on!
[10:03] <thumper> anything secret squirrel and we can go sideways
[10:03] <ddaa> == Production status ==
[10:03] <ddaa> New rollouts or production problems.
[10:03] <ddaa> That I know, at least.
[10:04] <ddaa> Unless anybody has something to report here
[10:04] <thumper> not from me
[10:04] <ddaa> like, e.g. the deployment of the supermirror-smart-server :)
[10:04] <ddaa> I'll carry on
[10:04] <ddaa> == Status reports ==
[10:04] <ddaa>  * everybody: read https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/code-review
[10:04] <ddaa> Did everybody read this spec?
[10:04] <thumper> readit
[10:05] <spiv> No, I haven't yet.
[10:05] <thumper> I've decided to grab some of the issues hilighted in it
[10:06] <ddaa> spiv: jamesh: please make sure to read this, it's quite important for the near future of the launchpad-bazaar stuff
[10:06] <jamesh> I looked over it a bit last week.
[10:06] <thumper> bugs 58889, 71303 and 73975
[10:06] <ddaa>  * spiv: supermirror-smart-server.
[10:06] <ddaa>  * ddaa, _thumper_: look at spec-branches.
[10:06] <ddaa> I did not look at the spec-branch work.
[10:06] <thumper> ddaa: note name change
[10:06] <jamesh> I wonder if we need a search capability for branch listing
[10:06] <jamesh> in addition to status filtering
[10:07] <ddaa> thumper: name change?
[10:07] <thumper> jamesh: searching on what?
[10:07] <thumper> ddaa: from _thumper_
[10:07] <jamesh> thumper: branch names and descriptions
[10:07] <ddaa> jamesh: that would certainly be good
[10:07] <thumper> sounds like a plan
[10:07] <ddaa> but not right now
[10:07] <thumper> braindump it
[10:07] <thumper> even without a wiki page, just to catch the idea
[10:08] <ddaa> jamesh: want to look at thumper's work on branch filtering and post a braindump to the ML on how to add fti search?
[10:08] <spiv> No news from me, as I was at a conference last week, but https://launchpad.canonical.com/SupermirrorSmartServerPlan now exists (as requested at a previous meeting)
[10:08] <thumper> jamesh: if you don't I will, more karma to me
[10:09] <jamesh> ddaa: okay.  I had a very brief look at the branch already.  I'll have a more detailed look.
[10:09] <thumper> ddaa: jamesh has commented already...
[10:09] <ddaa> I just suggested having a look so the branch searching thing could be thought out in this context.
[10:09] <jamesh> I was more commenting on issues that had already been brought up
[10:10] <ddaa> spiv: are you going to have time to focus on it this  week?
[10:10] <thumper> oh, ok
[10:10] <ddaa>  * ddaa: pyrex.
[10:10] <spiv> ddaa: yes, I think so.
[10:10] <ddaa> Got a quick review from spiv, did not have the time to take any action. Actually, did not have the time to act on any review this week.
[10:11] <ddaa> spiv: looking forward to having some good news to tell in the next launchpad meeting :)
[10:11] <spiv> ddaa: me too! :)
[10:11] <ddaa> at least, some more details in the SupermirrorSmartServerPlan, it's a bit sketchy now
[10:12] <ddaa> but better if it's more concrete stuff like "wsgi integration tested at spiv's", you see what I mean :)
[10:12] <ddaa>  * ddaa: progress on motu code-review
[10:12] <ddaa>  * poolie: bzr-lp features.
[10:12] <ddaa>  * jamesh: branch browsing, can help?
[10:13] <jamesh> ddaa: still finishing off the bug import stuff.  Can probably help later on this week.
[10:13] <ddaa> on motu code-review, commented on the spec, did not get a lot of feedback. Grilled dholbach to get his requirement on branch filtering. Then thumper started implementing it.
[10:13] <thumper> :)
[10:14] <ddaa> Also had a round of feedback on the email notification side with thumper. Will try to push the spec forward this week.
[10:14] <ddaa> jamesh: I'd like if you could tell me when you get started, and if you need anything.
[10:14] <ddaa> Not that I think you're going to need anything, but it's nice to propose :)
[10:15] <ddaa> poolie is not here today, so no bzr-lp update
[10:15] <jamesh> I should talk with poolie about what he thinks it should look like.
[10:15] <thumper> jamesh: the emails?
[10:16] <ddaa> the branch browser, I think
[10:16] <jamesh> thumper: branch browser
[10:16] <ddaa> jamesh: I think we agreed on "just webserve"
[10:16] <thumper> ddaa, jamesh: initially, adding features as we want them if they are not there
[10:16] <ddaa> as a stopgap, we could even run it on the bare id-based filesystem and keep it private
[10:17] <ddaa> then add the mapping to the virtual filesystem
[10:17] <jamesh> ddaa: last meeting he mentioned having a talk about it this week
[10:17] <thumper> ddaa: also suggested by poolie, he is very much in favour of just getting something up quick
[10:17] <jamesh> which is why I mentioned it.
[10:17] <SteveA> hi
[10:17] <ddaa> jamesh: I think we're all in agreement on this. Get something up quick even if it's ugly.
[10:17] <thumper> although if ugly, keep private
[10:18] <thumper> initially
[10:18] <thumper> remember "pretty is a feature"
[10:18] <ddaa> I think, if it's got the virtual filesystem, it would be pretty enough for the public.
[10:18] <ddaa> If people want prettier, they would be welcome to hack webserve.
[10:19] <ddaa> not having a _working_ web UI to showcase is bad for bzr
[10:19] <ddaa> and geoffredo's site is unusably slow
[10:20] <ddaa> So, that finishes the agenda.
[10:20] <ddaa> == Any other business? ==
[10:20] <ddaa> SteveA: hello, you're late
[10:20] <thumper> SteveA: getting access to vostok for me
[10:20] <thumper> can we swing that?
[10:21] <ddaa> I might not be able to work all day. The heating is off in my appt building, and my fingers are getting cold numb.
[10:21] <SteveA> yes
[10:21] <SteveA> I just read the scrollback
[10:21] <SteveA> ddaa: is there a warm internet cafe near you?
[10:21] <ddaa> not that I know
[10:21] <SteveA> or a shop that sells portable heaters?
[10:21] <thumper> ddaa: why is the heating off?
[10:22] <ddaa> thumper: no idea
[10:22] <ddaa> should be back today though
[10:22] <thumper> ddaa: not even Starbucks?
[10:22] <ddaa> thumper: this is Paris, there are like 3 starbucks in the entire town.
[10:22] <thumper> ddaa: give it time
[10:22] <jamesh> there are zero starbucks in Perth
[10:23] <SteveA> http://www.world66.com/europe/france/paris/cybercafes
[10:23] <SteveA> spiv: have you found out anything that would update the supermirror SS plan?
[10:25] <spiv> SteveA: not yet.
[10:25] <SteveA> spiv: finding out whether apache has the hook you need sounds like it needs a small experiment
[10:25] <SteveA> so describe the experiment and its result in the wiki page
[10:26] <SteveA> (I wouldn't expect the docs to say this explicitly, and I've found apache docs a bit patchy in describing the interaction of different directives)
[10:26] <spiv> Yeah, I expect it to involve a hour or two of mucking about.
[10:27] <ddaa> SteveA: re portable heaters, my appt is too small and crowded to get yet another piece of equipment
[10:28] <ddaa> SteveA: you read the mail about "software you can get using bzr"?
[10:28] <thumper> I was wondering about the title
[10:28] <thumper> isn't it more about bazaar activity?
[10:28] <thumper> showing what is recent? or explicitly targetting "software you can get with bzr"?
[10:29] <SteveA> ddaa: no
[10:29] <ddaa> it's a feature request from sabfdl
[10:29] <SteveA> ddaa: what's the subject of the email?
[10:29] <SteveA> I spoke with mark about this on the phone at the end of last week
[10:29] <SteveA> he specifically wants a page listing product names
[10:29] <ddaa> Subject: Braindump: Software you can get using bzr
[10:30] <thumper> SteveA: ok
[10:30] <SteveA> ddaa: I don't have that email
[10:30] <ddaa> Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 21:10:35 +0100
[10:30] <thumper> launchpad list
[10:32] <SteveA> for reasons unknown, I don't have it, and I don't recall having seen it
[10:32] <thumper> SteveA: forwarded to you now
[10:33] <SteveA> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/launchpad/2006-December/012603.html
[10:33] <SteveA> ta
[10:33] <SteveA> ddaa: ok, reading it
[10:34] <SteveA> Importd does not currently set Productseries.datelastsynced, so we do
[10:34] <SteveA> not know when was the last successful import. This can be fixed quickly
[10:34] <SteveA> by a small patch to importd. But this would be a good opportunity to do
[10:34] <SteveA> more work, and start separating the status reporting from the job runner.
[10:34] <SteveA>
[10:34] <SteveA> this kind of thing worries me
[10:34] <SteveA> I'll try to explain why
[10:34] <jamesh> ddaa: weird.  I didn't get that email either
[10:35] <SteveA> you're appear to be saying "I could make this quick and simple fix, but I won't because I'm worried if I do that, I'll feel less need to do the larger refactoring"
[10:35] <ddaa> meaning I can hack it in less than an afternoon (tests included), but I'd prefer to start tackling the larger job of separating the job runner (now buildbot) from the status reporting to go incrementally in the directory of improtd-ng. The Plan is to have job-runner -> job-reporter -> cscvs.
[10:36] <SteveA> ddaa: as far as I can see from reading your mail, that's the only feature we're missing to make the page Mark asked for work
[10:36] <SteveA> is that correct?
[10:36] <ddaa> no
[10:36] <ddaa> "If the last sync was successful, but was not mirrored yet, we do not know how old is the currently published code."
[10:37] <SteveA> ok
[10:37] <SteveA> so that too
[10:37] <thumper> I don't understand what the distinction is between "last sync" and "mirrored"
[10:37] <SteveA> so, making the import system actually use one field we already have in the database
[10:37] <thumper> can you enlighten me?
[10:37] <ddaa> given those two, yes, we can do the page Mark asked for
[10:37] <SteveA> and adding a new field, and making the import system do that
[10:38] <SteveA> ddaa: how long do you think doing both those things would take?
[10:38] <jamesh> thumper: sync == code converted from CVS/Subversion to Bazaar
[10:38] <spiv> thumper: syncs don't happen directly on the mirror, there's an intermediate holding place.
[10:38] <ddaa> thumper: importd published stuff to an internal http server, then the branch puller puts this data in the published location
[10:38] <jamesh> thumper: mirror == code mirrored to http://bazaar.launchpad.net
[10:38] <thumper> ok, ta
[10:39] <ddaa> SteveA: All included (coding, review, deployment) it should be about 8 hours of work for me
[10:39] <SteveA> ok
[10:39] <ddaa> then there the db patch issue, but it should be cherrypickable
[10:40] <SteveA> and how long do you think "tackling the larger job of separating the job runner from the status reporting to go incrementally in the directory of improtd-ng"
[10:40] <SteveA> will take?
[10:40] <ddaa> not sure... double it at least
[10:40] <SteveA> double what?
[10:40] <ddaa> 8 more hours
[10:41] <ddaa> it's hard to say, it's not complicated work, but it's a bit of new infrastructure, so there's the usual overhead
[10:41] <ddaa> new script, new test cases, etc.
[10:41] <SteveA> ok
[10:41] <SteveA> here's my frustration with what you wrote
[10:42] <ddaa> 3 mins to go
[10:42] <SteveA> you wrote that email in response to a request to write a particular feature
[10:42] <SteveA> and, for very tenuous reasons, you're trying to combine writing that feature
[10:42] <SteveA> which has a clear bounds
[10:42] <SteveA> with doing some more open-ended refactoring
[10:42] <ddaa> sure, I do not have a clear reason for this
[10:43] <SteveA> then WHY did you do it?
[10:43] <ddaa> to annoy you? :)
[10:43] <ddaa> well, because I'm just trying to push this refactoring any way I can
[10:43] <SteveA> ever heard the phrase "career limiting move" ?
[10:43] <ddaa> frustrated of not getting around to doing it
[10:43] <SteveA> we're in a distributed company
[10:43] <SteveA> communication has an overhead
[10:44] <SteveA> and a larger overhead than in an "all in one office" company
[10:44] <SteveA> and I don't like it when you make communication muddy to further a separate agenda than I've asked you about
[10:44] <SteveA> please think upon this
[10:45] <SteveA> next time, for example, send me a separate email saying how important you think the refactoring is
[10:45] <SteveA> but keep the other email to the point
[10:45] <ddaa> I think you know this issue. I understand it's not smart doing it.
[10:45] <SteveA> so: stop doing it immedately
[10:45] <SteveA> that's all.
[10:46] <ddaa> Anything else you are unhappy about the recent communication spec work I've been doing recently?
[10:46] <SteveA> non
[10:46] <SteveA> other than that, the email you wrote about this "bzr products listed on a page" is clear
[10:46] <ddaa> I've been doing a lot of it, so it feels a bit frustrating that the only feedback I get from you is about this single sentence.
[10:46] <SteveA> I didn't see that email until today
[10:46] <ddaa> Oh yes other business:
[10:47] <ddaa> cscvs has been released, in case people did not notice
[10:47] <SteveA> cool.  that must feel good, as you've been wanting to do that for a while
[10:47] <ddaa> the stuff is still lacking some code from hct, I plan to clean that up soon (it's part of the larger "remove dep on pybaz" problem)
[10:47] <ddaa> and the cmd line is still quite broken
[10:48] <ddaa> so for the time being I want the release to be low-key
[10:48] <ddaa> if people express an interest in the code, direct them to it
[10:48] <jamesh> ddaa: where was the release announced?
[10:48] <ddaa> It was not announced.
[10:48] <thumper> not surprising that it passed me by then...
[10:48] <ddaa> I want to wait until we have ironed out some process to get the code in
[10:48] <ddaa> I mean code contribution
[10:49] <ddaa> and until the most blatant breakage in the cmd line is fixed
[10:49] <ddaa> then we can announce it
[10:49] <jamesh> would it be worth asking the marketing guys for input on a release announcement?
[10:49] <ddaa> I expliticitly want this release to stay discreet for now
[10:49] <ddaa> the tool sucks as a standalone conversion tool as it is
[10:49] <thumper> perhaps time it with the 1.0 bzr release?
[10:49] <ddaa> there is a low, but steady, demand for access to this code
[10:50] <ddaa> I already notified sivang, and he'll talk to janimo about it
[10:50] <jamesh> okay.  It wouldn't hurt to see if they have any suggestions for the announcement before hand.
[10:51] <ddaa> so, when we have a patch submission process, and when the most blatant brokeness is fixed, we can announce it. ATM it's just "a dump of broken corporate code"
[10:51] <ddaa> so, feel free to tell people about it, but I'd rather avoid publicity
[10:52] <ddaa> the product on launchpad is launchpad-cscvs by the way
[10:53] <SteveA> ok
[10:53] <ddaa> BTW, meeting closed
[10:53] <thumper> yay, sleep
[10:53] <ddaa> SteveA: I did more than just this email in the past couple of weeks
[10:53] <SteveA> spiv: I'd like to get some pings from you during the week about progress looking into the smartserver + supermirror
[10:54] <ddaa> specs about deleted branches, email notification, requirements on branch status filtering
[10:54] <SteveA> spiv: because I'm interested in seeing how it will come out
[10:54] <spiv> SteveA: sure.
[10:54] <SteveA> thanks
[10:54] <ddaa> actually, I spent pretty much all my time doing help-text, cscvs release, and spec/guidance work.
[10:55] <SteveA> after the infrastructure for this "page of products"
[10:55] <SteveA> what would you like to do next?
[10:55] <ddaa> after?
[10:57] <ddaa> continue spec work around launcphad-bazaar, clear out backlog of review replies, spend a little time fixing cscvs, spend a little time improving bzr-svn, and finish the pyrex work.
[10:58] <ddaa> also, keep spending about one hour a day on small UI improvements to launchpad (currently, spent on help-text)
[10:59] <SteveA> I'd like to have a call with you later so we can talk over the relative priorities of these things
[11:00] <SteveA> also, Kiko and I will be introducing a new concept into Launchpad work, starting for each team within Launchpad as soon as the 1.0 work for that team in complete
[11:00] <SteveA> that is, Fridays will be "work on whatever Launchpad stuff you think needs it" days
[11:00] <ddaa> mh
[11:01] <ddaa> too bad there's only one friday a week :)
[11:01] <SteveA> we're going to start planning Launchpad work based on four day weeks of scheduled work
[11:01] <SteveA> for completing specs etc.
[11:02] <SteveA> and on Fridays, you get to set the priorities and activities for that day
[11:02] <SteveA> formal announcement on Thursday
[11:02] <ddaa> sounds like a good idea
[11:02] <ddaa> so we can get to do all those important things that we never get around to
[11:04] <ddaa> workrave in 2 mins
[12:04] <lifeless> http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/notes/svnsync.txt
[12:07] <spiv> lifeless: dude, enjoy your holiday! :)
[12:08] <spiv> What are you doing in a work channel? :)
[12:13] <ddaa> " Q: How does svnsync deal with parts of the master repository that I'm not    authorized to read? "
[12:13] <ddaa> mh, that's another cscvs bug in the waiting
[04:11] <carlos> hi
[04:11] <kiko> good morning guys
[04:11] <kiko> how are you
[04:11] <danilos> I am fine, thanks
[04:11] <carlos> fine too, thanks
[04:11] <carlos> and you?
[04:12] <kiko> pretty good
[04:12] <kiko> so
[04:12] <kiko> carlos, what happened last monday?
[04:13] <carlos> I sent TranslationReview review answer and the modification to allow anonymous browsing was implemented and sent to you
[04:13] <carlos> for review
[04:13] <kiko> I saw that
[04:13] <kiko> but you had said that you would get everything reviewed and landed by monday
[04:13] <kiko> and you said that in fact you were going to come back in the afternoon
[04:13] <kiko> so danilo and I waited for you
[04:14] <carlos> hmm
[04:14] <carlos> I was, but I didn't connect...
[04:14] <carlos> was I supposed to connect to IRC?
[04:14] <kiko> you were supposed to at least tell us the status of your work by end of day monday
[04:14] <carlos> sorry, I was not aware of that...
[04:14] <kiko> huh?
[04:15] <kiko> you said very explicitly that you would be back, and we had spoken on friday about us ensuring that we got things done by monday
[04:15] <carlos> I said that I will work and handle the merge, but I was not thinking on connecting to IRC, sorry...
[04:15] <carlos> I sent you a brief report, with copy to danilo
[04:15] <kiko> but the merge wasn't done either, was it?
[04:15] <carlos> with the diff I sent to yoiu
[04:16] <carlos> you
[04:16] <carlos> no, because the review required more work
[04:16] <kiko> and you didn't tell us that either
[04:16] <kiko> so... hard for us to understand what's going on in valencia.
[04:17] <kiko> I would like that to sort of thing to be solved
[04:17] <carlos> ok, sorry about that. I was not as communicative as I should be...
[04:18] <kiko> so how are things this week
[04:18] <kiko> what's snagged on review?
[04:19] <carlos> kiko: about IRC connection, I usually don't connect when I'm supposed to be on vacations, to be focus on the thing that needs to be done, even on vacations. I will try to connect at least to #canonical next time
[04:19] <danilos> you've got my weekly reports, and the last thing I did last week was fighting with zipfile module
[04:20] <danilos> basically, I've done the exports, need to test them thoroughoutly, and add a test (as discussed on Friday)
[04:20] <kiko> carlos, I don't care. if you say you will merge something and then disappear, I will get upset.
[04:20] <kiko> so yes, I expect better communication, and this isn't the first time.
[04:20] <carlos> about the review: I think the review from Salgado should come today and then merged, about TranslationReview, I need to move pagetests from using database code to use BeautifulSoup. I had a meeting today with Bjorn about it, he helped me to figure the best way to check translation form in that way
[04:21] <kiko> carlos, hmmm. I see. what will beautifulsoup help there?
[04:21] <kiko> ah, you are querying for results?
[04:21] <kiko> and bjorn wants you to test the page output?
[04:21] <carlos> kiko: the fact that active translations are not inside a textarea or input fields, we cannot query them from pagetests, it's just plain html text
[04:22] <carlos> well, I test the content, but based on what we have in the database
[04:22] <kiko> right, you'd need to parse with BS indeed
[04:22] <kiko> yeah, yeah.
[04:22] <carlos> right
[04:22] <kiko> how hard is that change?
[04:22] <carlos> seems much more easy than I expected
[04:22] <carlos> iterating over html tags
[04:22] <kiko> okay, good news
[04:22] <kiko> will you get it done by tomorrrow?
[04:23] <carlos> yes
[04:23] <carlos> I hope to get the final review from Bjorn today too
[04:23] <kiko> ok.
[04:23] <carlos> but the only remaining issue I think there will be is the BeautifulSoup chnage
[04:23] <kiko> ok, good news
[04:24] <kiko> danilos, did you get over the zipfile issue?
[04:24] <danilos> kiko: well, worked around it as I initially planned: recreated new zipfile in memory instead of trying to modify existing one
[04:25] <kiko> right.
[04:25] <kiko> that's the better plan I think too
[04:25] <danilos> at the moment, I'm trying to get export to work properly
[04:25] <kiko> danilos, what's stuck there?
[04:25] <danilos> well, my code is simply not getting called when I run the export cronscript
[04:26] <danilos> so, I probably missed something, and need to look into it better
[04:26] <danilos> the thing is that regular po export is using a caching mechanism, which I am not at the moment
[04:26] <danilos> so, there's probably something missing there
[04:26] <carlos> danilos: forget about caching at this time
[04:27] <carlos> it should work without caching support
[04:27] <danilos> carlos: right
[04:28] <danilos> basically, this was the last thing I did on Friday, and haven't had a chance to look at it properly
[04:28] <danilos> the thing is that all the classes are there, but it simply finishes really quickly without exporting anything
[04:28] <kiko> danilos, add some tracing code
[04:28] <kiko> to see what its doing
[04:28] <kiko> or pdb it
[04:28] <danilos> kiko: right, I'll do that
[04:29] <kiko> danilos, how's it gone today?
[04:29] <danilos> kiko: my plan was to actually find out where it's getting first (using some tracing code), and see where is it failing
[04:29] <kiko> right, that's pretty sane to me.
[04:29] <danilos> oh, I've started really late today, so I've got like 6 more hours of work
[04:29] <danilos> basically, haven't done much
[04:30] <danilos> but this is the main thing for the rest of the day, anyway
[04:30] <kiko> okay
[04:30] <danilos> so, I'll let you know how it goes, and will ping you and others on #launchpad-code if I get stuck
[04:30] <kiko> carlos, what else came up in your review with carlos?
[04:30] <kiko> yeah, danilos, please do -- I'm at your service
[04:30] <carlos> ?
[04:30] <kiko> err
[04:30] <kiko> with bjorn
[04:31] <kiko> my left wrist hurts today, fucks me over
[04:31] <danilos> kiko, talk with kiko about it :P
[04:31] <carlos> well
[04:31] <carlos> most of the changes were related with tests
[04:31] <carlos> and the way to document it
[04:33] <kiko> carlos, was he happy with the general design?
[04:33] <carlos> and also, I did a mistake and with the hurry to deliver the first review, I forgot to review the diff and notice that I miss that I added some kind of documentation that Bjorn told me to change later in the review
[04:33] <carlos> but that's already solved (or should, I still need his reply)
[04:33] <kiko> okay.
[04:33] <carlos> the only complain about the design was related with a behaviour I did on javascript
[04:34] <kiko> carlos, danilos: what's the  plan for tomorrow?
[04:34] <kiko> carlos, what JS? the copy stuff?
[04:34] <danilos> well, I'd rather talk about tommorow later in the day: I want to see how will these things go today first
[04:34] <carlos> no, the way to handle the 'New suggestion' flag
[04:34] <carlos> and when you can type in new info to the textarea
[04:34] <danilos> if I manage to get out of it today, it's up for review tommorow
[04:35] <carlos> I just followed his advice and implemented it the same way Malone handles it
[04:35] <danilos> but that's an "if" (no ETA ;)
[04:35] <kiko> danilos, okay. it sounds like you will still lack tests though, after this.
[04:35] <kiko> carlos, to auto-select the radiobutton?
[04:35] <danilos> right, but we've already discussed how I am going to do them
[04:36] <carlos> kiko: checkbuttons
[04:36] <danilos> and I'll test such programmed result using local copy of firefox
[04:36] <carlos> kiko: lack tests?
[04:36] <carlos> kiko: I don't think so
[04:36] <carlos> last review was just a review to improve current tests
[04:36] <kiko> danilos, okay, but likely your reviewer will want tests that are more unit-like
[04:36] <danilos> carlos: that was about me
[04:36] <carlos> no code changes (other than renames)
[04:36] <carlos> oh
[04:36] <danilos> kiko: ah, so you think more of doctests vs. pagetests, or?
[04:37] <kiko> carlos, okay. do you need help with the BS changes?
[04:37] <carlos> ok ;-)
[04:37] <kiko> danilos, well, you'll need doctests for API you add/modify
[04:37] <danilos> kiko: or simply that I should test the new classes I've added as well?
[04:37] <kiko> pagetests for pages you change
[04:37] <danilos> kiko: right, and that's best done with doctests, right?
[04:37] <kiko> and for a complex process like an export
[04:37] <carlos> kiko: not yet, Bjorn already told me a bunch of hints on that. but I will work on it tomorrow morning
[04:37] <kiko> carlos, okay.
[04:37] <danilos> right, I haven't done those either
[04:37] <kiko> I'm not sure yet what should be used -- what is used currently to test exports, carlos?
[04:38] <kiko> danilos, usually it's best to test as you go to avoid the big delay
[04:38] <danilos> pagetests mostly
[04:38] <kiko> hmmmm
[04:38] <kiko> danilos, can you get in a phone call with SteveA to see what's the best strategy for testing the actual export process?
[04:38] <carlos> for exports?
[04:38] <kiko> SteveA, ping?
[04:38] <carlos> doctest
[04:38] <kiko> yeah
[04:38] <carlos> poexport*
[04:38] <carlos> poexport*.txt
[04:38] <SteveA> kiko: hi
[04:38] <danilos> kiko: sure
[04:38] <carlos> mainly
[04:38] <kiko> SteveA, can you?
[04:38] <SteveA> can I?
[04:39] <kiko> yes.
[04:39] <SteveA> probably.  can I what?
[04:39] <danilos> SteveA: <kiko> danilos, can you get in a phone call with SteveA to see what's the best strategy for testing the actual export process?
[04:39] <kiko> SteveA, well, to start off, look up 5 lines or so.
[04:39] <SteveA> sure.  after I've had some lunch today is okay.
[04:39] <SteveA> or tomorrow.
[04:39] <SteveA> your choice
[04:39] <kiko> today'd be good
[04:39] <kiko> better even
[04:40] <danilos> SteveA: just give me the time, and I'll ping you when it comes
[04:40] <SteveA> so, that's fine.  I need to go food shopping, as the cupboard is bare
[04:40] <SteveA> and I have a mouse living under my fridge
[04:40] <SteveA> I assembled an elaborate trap
[04:40] <kiko> man perl is so scary
[04:40] <SteveA> danilos: will you be around in 2 hrs or so?
[04:41] <carlos> SteveA: ;-)
[04:41] <danilos> SteveA: if you've got a mouse there, then that's not exactly empty fridge :)
[04:41] <kiko> it's starving
[04:41] <danilos> SteveA: yeah, I'll stick around for a while
[04:41] <kiko> just like SteveA
[04:41] <SteveA> kiko: it ate all my food!
[04:41] <carlos> kiko, danilos: I want to raise another thing
[04:42] <SteveA> danilos: so, ping me in about 2 hrs.  I should have finished shopping and lunch by then.
[04:42] <danilos> SteveA: sure, I will
[04:42] <carlos> kiko, danilos: Are we done with other issues?
[04:42] <kiko> carlos, yes -- ping bjorn to see if he can expedite your review. we should chat again tomorrow morning
[04:43] <carlos> Festy translation opening
[04:43] <carlos> kiko: ok
[04:43] <danilos> carlos: right, you mentioned that
[04:43] <kiko> yeah, I read about that
[04:43] <carlos> kiko, danilos: From my point of view, we could schedule it to be done right now.
[04:43] <carlos> but
[04:43] <carlos> I would like to do a small change in the process, to save resources
[04:43] <kiko> carlos, it will be high-impact, won't it?
[04:43] <carlos> kiko: yes
[04:44] <kiko> hmmmm
[04:44] <danilos> what worries me is opening it for translation, yet having a lot of entries in the import queue
[04:44] <carlos> 3-4 hours
[04:44] <carlos> danilos: the opening will clean the queue a bit
[04:44] <kiko> carlos, clean, not make worse? how?
[04:44] <carlos> kiko, danilos: I would like to filter from the copy any template that is disabled in Edgy
[04:45] <carlos> that's every Debian template or documentation that is not being used as part of language packs
[04:45] <danilos> carlos: modifying copy-translations stuff?
[04:45] <carlos> we disabled them a month ago, and it makes no sense to propagate them with every new distro release
[04:45] <danilos> kiko: it would clean it up by automatically approving those that can be automatically approved
[04:46] <danilos> but  we would have other entries which would then really need manual handling right away (or pretty soon)
[04:46] <kiko> danilos, why isn't that happening now? do we have feisty packages already pending?
[04:46] <carlos> danilos: yes, but just filtering on POTemplate.iscurrent
[04:46] <carlos> kiko: yes, we get feisty translations in the queue as soon as the first package is uploaded into the buildd
[04:46] <danilos> kiko: well, because 'opening distrorelease for translation' is basically also copying all the potemplates and pofiles from earlier release first
[04:47] <danilos> kiko: they cannot get imported until we've got a place to import them to
[04:47] <carlos> oh, right, kiko, sorry, I didn't see that question...
[04:47] <carlos> danilos: thanks for handling it
[04:48] <danilos> basically I don't have a strong opinion on the matter of opening feisty for translation
[04:48] <kiko> carlos, I see
[04:48] <carlos> kiko: my proposal, do that change as part of my 1-2 hours slot (and get used to those fast implementations again)
[04:48] <kiko> I see
[04:49] <carlos> and schedule that with Stuart for later this week or beginning of next week
[04:49] <danilos> but facts: it will require 3-4h db downtime, translators/packagers (pitti) will appreciate it
[04:49] <carlos> and users
[04:49] <carlos> Feisty lacks any translation for main packages
[04:49] <kiko> that's a good plan. can it be done with the DB open?
[04:50] <carlos> open to what?
[04:50] <carlos> without shutting down launchpad?
[04:50] <kiko> yeah.
[04:50] <carlos> no, it cannot
[04:50] <carlos> at least it cannot as we are used to
[04:50] <carlos> but
[04:50] <carlos> perhaps we could do something like what we talked to do the DB schema change
[04:50] <carlos> use a copy of Person table
[04:51] <kiko> hmmm.
[04:51] <carlos> and disable accounts merging
[04:51] <carlos> and Rosetta, of course
[04:51] <kiko> yeah, there's that idea.
[04:52] <carlos> kiko: I will talk with Stuart tomorrow about the options we have for this, and will report to you a summary of the conversation
[04:52] <kiko> carlos, can you spec out the basics of how that would work as a result of that call? can be a one-page email that we comment and goes into a spec.
[04:52] <kiko> carlos, see if stub likes the idea, too.
[04:52] <carlos> ok
[04:52] <kiko> cool.
[04:52] <kiko> okay, let me grab some food
[04:52] <kiko-fud> see you in an hour
[04:52] <carlos> kiko-fud: I'm leaving in 30 minutes or so
[04:53] <carlos> other than asking Bjorn and Salgado for my reviews, is there anything else you need from me today?
[04:53] <kiko-fud> carlos, okay.
[04:53] <kiko-fud> no, that's fine.
[04:53] <kiko-fud> see you tomorrow
[04:53] <carlos> ok, thanks for the meeting
[04:53] <carlos> kiko-fud: btw, you owe me a review! ;-)
[04:54] <carlos> danilos: and you? do you need a hand with firefox exports?
[04:55] <danilos> carlos: not right now, I'll work on that, and ping you in an hour if I still have the same problem
[04:55] <carlos> well, I will not be around in one hour ;-)
[04:55] <carlos> so please, send me an email if that's the case
[04:56] <danilos> carlos: sure
[04:56] <carlos> thanks
[04:58] <kiko-fud> carlos, yeah, will do.
[04:58] <carlos> kiko-fud: thanks
[06:24] <SteveA> danilos: hi
[06:24] <danilos> hi SteveA
[06:24] <SteveA> danilos: skype?
[06:24] <danilos> SteveA: so, I am wondering about the best way to test export stuff
[06:25] <danilos> hum, I don't have skype installed
[06:25] <SteveA> ok
[06:25] <SteveA> phone number?
[06:25] <danilos> I've only got ekiga
[06:25] <SteveA> or sip number
[06:25] <danilos> let me check my SIP number
[06:26] <danilos> it should be 7402
[06:27] <danilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:28] <SteveA> do you hear me?
[06:28] <danilos> I can
[06:28] <danilos> can you hear me?
[06:28] <SteveA> are you speaking?
[06:28] <SteveA> hmm, guess not
[06:28] <danilos> yeah, guess not
[06:28] <SteveA><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:28] <SteveA> try me on that
[06:29] <danilos> ok
[06:29] <danilos> you seem to be refusing calls
[06:29] <danilos> or at least that's what ekiga says for me
[06:30] <SteveA> hmm
[06:30] <SteveA> ok, give me a POTS number
[06:30] <SteveA> oh, wait
[06:30] <SteveA> try one more thing...
[06:30] <danilos> +381112103941
[06:30] <SteveA><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:30] <danilos> sure
[06:31] <danilos> doesn't work for me
[06:31] <SteveA> ok
[06:31] <SteveA> I'll call you phone
[06:31] <danilos> ok
[06:49] <SteveA> export.xpi
[06:49] <SteveA> export.xpi
[06:49] <SteveA> oops
[06:49] <SteveA> try again
[06:49] <SteveA> export.xpi
[06:49] <SteveA> |
[06:49] <SteveA> +
[06:49] <danilos> chrome/export.jar
[06:49] <danilos> install.rdf
[06:50] <SteveA>
[06:50] <SteveA> inside export.jar
[06:50] <danilos> browser/browser.dtd
[06:50] <danilos> browser/browser.properties
[06:50] <danilos> ...
[06:50] <danilos> <!ENTITY blah "blah">
[06:52] <danilos> ./browser/help/firefox_welcome.xhtml
[06:52] <danilos> ./browser/help/download_manager.xhtml
[06:52] <danilos> ./browser/help/platformStrings.dtd
[06:52] <danilos> ./browser/help/tabbed_browsing.xhtml
[06:52] <danilos> ./browser/help/glossary.xhtml
[06:52] <danilos> ./browser/browser.dtd
[06:52] <danilos> ./browser/pageInfo.dtd
[06:52] <danilos> .
[06:54] <SteveA> foozilla project
[06:54] <SteveA> translated in this format
[06:54] <SteveA> with a simple us english xpi
[06:55] <SteveA> only a few strings
[06:55] <SteveA> translate into spanish
[06:58] <SteveA>  canonical/launchpad/scripts/rosetta/ftests/foozilla-sampledata
[06:58] <SteveA> in there have the expanded .xpi file
[06:59] <SteveA> and parallel to it
[06:59] <SteveA> the expended contents of the .jar file
[06:59] <SteveA> the .xpi file would have no .jar file
[07:00] <SteveA> the hard part is coming up with decent sample data
[07:00] <SteveA> 1. create foozilla product in sample data
[07:00] <SteveA>   sql
[07:00] <SteveA> 2. create rest of sample data to go along with it
[07:01] <SteveA> 3. create its en-us xpi file
[07:03] <SteveA> store the xpi file as files in a directory on the filesystem
[07:03] <SteveA> check this into RF
[07:03] <SteveA> don't check in an actual .xpi or .jar file
[07:03] <SteveA> as this will be unfriendly to developers
[07:04] <SteveA> to check diff of exported file
[07:04] <SteveA> 1. you have a list of the files that should have just come from us-en xpi
[07:04] <SteveA>   so, copy these files (only) from the us-en into a temporary place that is what you compare to
[07:05] <SteveA> 2. copy the rest of the files to compare to from foozilla-sampledata
[07:05] <SteveA> 3. diff your export (unzipped) against the temporary place using diff -r
[07:05] <SteveA> this means you don't store two copies of your en-us.xpi data
[07:06] <SteveA> and instead you just keep a list of what files are supposed to be duplicated from the en-us file into your output file
[07:06] <SteveA> and use diff -r to do the comparison -- keep the comparison as simple as possible!
[07:06] <SteveA> the two important tasks for the test are:
[07:07] <SteveA>  1. create the temp directory that is what you should have in the export, made up of some things from en-us
[07:07] <SteveA>    and some things from your foozilla-sampledata
[07:07] <SteveA> 2. create another temp directory that is the exported file, unzipped (twice)
[07:07] <SteveA> 3. compare these two using diff -r


[15:59]  * BugeyeD in seattle at the moment.
[15:59] <BugeyeD> got in late last night, drove right by the micro$oft campus. had an incredible urge to pull over and defecate.
[15:59] <holstein> BugeyeD: lol
[15:59] <BugeyeD> it's BEAUTIFUL out here.
[16:00] <BugeyeD> mountaintops poking out from a blanket of cloud cover made the flight pretty awesome too


[02:36] <hasan> Hello and greetings everyone
[02:37] <hasan> Got a question about compatibility, by any chance anybody using, have used or seen meerkat installed on a thinkpad x200 tablet?
[06:28] <RedKing> hello
[14:56] <ara> good morning!
[15:01] <davmor2> lo ara
[15:03] <ara> hey davmor2
[20:57] <CensoredBiscuit> Hello all.
[21:07] <fader_> CensoredBiscuit: Howdy
[21:08] <CensoredBiscuit> hey fader_  stay tuned on the mailing list, I'm sending the 'I'm invading' message
[21:08] <fader_> :)
[21:16] <CensoredBiscuit> and you've been invaded
[21:36] <CensoredBiscuit> preping my laptop for the upgrade


[07:25] <jamespage> ybaumy: stable and development charms are pretty much the same right now as we just released new stable versions
[07:26] <jamespage> ybaumy: interested in how you get on with vmware - that should work ok but there are some gotchas with using LXD containers on vmware machines re networking
[11:35] <ybaumy> jamespage: i must say i gave up already on vmware deployment.
[11:35] <ybaumy> jamespage: i dont know how to fix the install hook errors with KVM im getting
[11:36] <ybaumy> jamespage: nothing really seems to work out of the box. even the conjure-up openstack lxd way has errors since the networking isnt working
[11:37] <ybaumy> jamespage: maybe i try suse cloud 7 ... ubuntu is too much fixing involed
[11:37] <ybaumy> jamespage: im not a dev. just a system engineer with the task to evaluate openstack deployments
[11:39] <ybaumy> jamespage: i like ubuntu but i would like to favor it but right now i cannot seem to get it working without support. i cant tell my management to first invest in support and then i might get it working. i need a working sample before we move forward with the decision which linux flavor we use.
[11:52] <Zic> lazyPower: hi, I just checked my mailbox and saw that the PR for multi-master tokens was closed, do this mean that it's coming to the charmstore very soon? :D
[11:57] <jamespage> ybaumy: the charms default to using KVM for virt; you'll need to set virt-type=qemu on the nova-compute charm
[11:58] <jamespage> ybaumy: with regards to the conjure-up openstack problems you're having you should be getting networking OK
[11:58] <jamespage> ybaumy: what spec of machine are you trying and all-in-one on
[11:58] <jamespage> ?
[11:59] <jamespage> ybaumy: its a way to start to understand juju/charms/openstack, but for a real POC you'll want to be using MAAS, rather than LXD
[11:59] <jamespage> the LXD deployment is limited to a single machine
[12:00] <jamespage> (qemu comment was in the context of using VMware)
[12:01] <jamespage> if you want reference for the underlying bundles etc that conjure-up uses
[12:05] <ybaumy> jamespage: will get back to this after football. im off
[12:23] <jamespage> ybaumy: https://github.com/openstack-charmers/openstack-on-lxd and https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/
[12:23] <jamespage> are pretty much what conjure-up deploys (first on LXD, the second on MAAS)
[15:47] <ybaumy> jamespage: well i will try maas then. i have setup a server already to deploy VM's in vsphere.
[15:48] <ybaumy> jamespage: thanks for the links and the tip with the qemu
[15:50] <ybaumy> jamespage: the thing is that in maas no commissioning doesnt work anymore. i havent changed a thing :D its like everyhing is a mess. maybe the daily image that got synced has a bug. fails with mbr magic error when trying to boot the second time
[15:50] <ybaumy> jamespage: but as soon as this is fixed i will try again :D


[21:49] <bencc> can I have two upstart jobs in the same ubuntu package?
[22:13] <soren> Sure.
[22:13] <soren> (Not really an upstart question, though)
[22:14] <bencc> soren: how?
[22:14] <soren> bencc: Can we take this in #ubuntu-motu, please? It's not really relevant for this channel.


[09:20] <popey> how do i file bugs against http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/gitlab (the page, not the charm)...
[09:21] <popey> "This charm provides gitlab from http://http://gitlab.org. " (note the url)
[09:24] <danilos> popey, it seems the problem is in the charm README.md: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/gitlab/trunk/view/head:/README.md
[13:21] <AskUbuntu> How to use juju with a VPS host? | http://askubuntu.com/q/282393
[13:39] <marcoceppi> popey: Hey, I pinged you in the AU chat rooms, but I it would probably be easier just to relay the info here. Could you move the "Edit solved" portion of this question to it's own answer? http://askubuntu.com/questions/281530/running-juju-on-a-local-server
[13:45] <popey> marcoceppi: done
[13:45] <marcoceppi> popey: thanks!
[13:46] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/q/282393 could probably be done with the same method
[13:46] <popey> I'll bulk the answer up later with snippets from my config
[13:52] <marcoceppi> popey: awesome, I'm actually going to give it a go here in a bit. WRT other question, it appears his VPS host might not support LXC on it but it'd be worth double checking
[13:52] <popey> yeah, i might test on my vps, but the problem will be for me, getting more IP addresses
[13:52] <marcoceppi> ah, yeah
[19:03] <b1tbkt> with maas/juju how do you make juju aware of a new node once declared in maas?
[20:38] <bkerensa_> \o/ charm school
[20:39] <marcoceppi> o/


[10:56] <pmatulis> morning
[11:14] <ahoneybun> p/
[14:31]  * pmatulis saw venus, jupiter, and mars all bunched up this morning


[14:15] <kkeithley> How do I get someone to fix the latest ceph-15 builds in groovy and hirsute. This bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+bug/1901323
[14:15] <mup> Bug #1901323: libcephfs-dev is missing ceph_ll_client.h header file <ceph (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1901323>


[01:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-seeds] lubuntu-lugito pushed 1 new commit to bionic: https://git.io/vxDg4
[01:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-seeds/bionic a48ea3d Simon Quigley: Revert "Comment out zram-config because encrypted LVM doesn't want to work, LP: #1759732."...
[03:17] <Kamilion> incidentally, I had a lot of problems with zram on my images. One of the first things I dumped. How's beta looking?
[03:17] <tsimonq2> Beta's had some trouble with the desktop ISO but is otherwise looking good.
[03:18] <Kamilion> I should expect an ISO tonight?
 Same
[03:18] <tsimonq2> Probably tomorrow or Friday.
 *glares at @tsimonq2*
[03:18] <tsimonq2> XD
[03:18] <Kamilion> Cool. Good to hear. I was getting scared shitless I wouldn't be able to get my package tree in order before the official day of release
[03:18] <tsimonq2> hehe
[03:19] <Kamilion> i did some work against a daily that should have been last months's beta1
[03:19] <Kamilion> so things are mostly already in order
[03:19] <Kamilion> I'm kinda pissed qupzilla is gone though
[03:20] <Kamilion> Falkon now wants phonon and I don't want it to install phonon and all the media library crap along with it
[03:26] <Kamilion> nothin' y'all can do about it though
[03:26] <Kamilion> nor would I want to stand in the path of progress
[03:27] <tsimonq2> Qupzilla was superseded by Falkon.
[03:27] <tsimonq2> And, because the Debian maintainer doesn't want to budge, only Qupzilla is in Debian.
[03:27] <tsimonq2> So, if you can find a solution for Falkon, I'll be happy to evaluate it.
[03:27] <Kamilion> Qupzilla changed names to Falkon and joined KDE
[03:27] <Kamilion> so there's no solution.
[03:27] <Kamilion> the author's doing what he wants to do.
[03:27] <Kamilion> i can just as easily install phonon with no backend
[03:27] <tsimonq2> Then, there you go.
[03:28] <Kamilion> it's just an annoyance to have some random audio processing library thrown on for no good reason at all
[03:28] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:28] <tsimonq2> I dunno what to say, man.
[03:28] <Kamilion> qupzilla worked just fine with all the internal QTWebkit stuff
[03:28] <Kamilion> html5 video still worked just fine
[03:28] <Kamilion> even after I stripped 300MB worth of libs and apps out of lubuntu
[03:29] <Kamilion> not even av52 was left
[03:29] <Kamilion> incidentally, I've been noticing some annoyances with CUPS
[03:29] <Kamilion> I can't seem to get rid of all the useless printer drivers
[03:29] <Kamilion> all I want is PDF
[03:29] <Kamilion> and it keeps demanding i have hplip and foomatic around
[03:30] <Kamilion> any idea who I might be able to talk to on that issue?
[03:30] <tsimonq2> File a bug I think.
[03:30] <Kamilion> not gonna file a bug until I talk to someone about it
[03:30] <Kamilion> no sense wasting a LP# for something that won't get done
[03:30] <tsimonq2> I can bring it up.
[03:31] <Kamilion> i just need to know whom to speak to, to verify if it's even something that is reasonable to do.
[03:31] <Kamilion> so far as I can tell, everything works fine in 16.04
[03:31] <Kamilion> but time marches ever forward
[03:31] <tsimonq2> I'd try #ubuntu-desktop
[03:32] <Kamilion> k, good bet. Thanks.
[03:32] <tsimonq2> np
[04:04] <lyn||orian> gah my desktop having hardware problems is not good and now I have an incomplete bug about it
 @lyn||orian, Which one?
 I had a crazy bug triaging session tonight.
[04:57] <lyn||orian> bug 1436509
[14:36] <lubot3> Jyoti was added by: Jyoti
[17:43] <lyn||orian> tsimonq2 well there are always alternates although there is the translation bug that nio reported
 Yeah
 Wait what?
[17:45] <lyn||orian> bug 1754646
[19:08] <lyn||orian> tsimonq2, ping me when respins are done
 @lyn||orian, Ok
[19:22] <wxl> @tsimonq2: nice to see the ubiquity bug finally getting some attention on -release
[19:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: Because I put my foot down and screamed loudly. :P
[19:23] <wxl> well good on ya
[19:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: Encrypted LVM installs should be good now too.
[19:23] <tsimonq2> ;)
[19:23] <wxl> you the man
[19:23] <wxl> bbl pong calls
[19:23] <tsimonq2> o/
[20:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-seeds] lubuntu-lugito pushed 1 new commit to bionic: https://git.io/vxSOK
[20:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-seeds/bionic 4bc6b3a Adam Conrad: Seed samba-common-bin explicitly to live-share, as a missed recommends of cifs-utils
[21:03] <shark1> I found the following issue in Lubuntu 18.04 beta2: after I logged into my wi-fi network then logged out of the live-usb session then logged back in to the live-usb session two wi-fi network applets appeared on the lxpanel. I did not a bug that addressed this issue and I assume there lxpanel setting issue. Any comments would be helpful.
 @shark1, Hum. Mind running `ubuntu-bug network-manager-gnome`?
[21:07] <shark1> lubut3: done
 Got a link?
[21:12] <shark1> lubot3:no
[21:52] <krytarik> LP #1761606 on that, and we've also got LP #1685502 in Xubuntu.
[21:52] <tsimonq2> Dup time.
[21:53] <krytarik> Yeah, but please in the right direction. :P
[21:53] <tsimonq2> Heh.
[21:53] <tsimonq2> krytarik: This ain't an Xfce panel bug.
[21:54] <krytarik> Yes, that's what I'm saying. :)
[21:54] <tsimonq2> So, sec...
[21:54] <krytarik> Until now, we thought it was though.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> There we go.
[21:55] <tsimonq2> krytarik: Maybe someone can voluntell the Ayatana people to figure this out. :P
[22:09] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic Beta 2] has been updated (20180405)
[22:09] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic Beta 2] has been updated (20180405)
[22:14] <tsimonq2> lyn||orian: ^^^^^^
[22:46] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Bionic Beta 2] has been marked as ready
[22:46] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Bionic Beta 2] has been marked as ready
[23:13] <lynorian> tsimonq2, I will after I eat something
[23:13] <tsimonq2> lynorian: OK.
[23:14] <lubot3> <Jacob Kim> Good to see iso getting ready
 @tsimonq2 how are the 18.04 images going?
[23:19] <tsimonq2> They're coming along.
[23:20] <tsimonq2> Just having some bumps in the road.
 @tsimonq2 got it
 @tsimonq2 btw, trying to join the dev channel using riot, what is the room id? #lubuntu-devel isnt working
 @coolpolygons, #lubuntu:disroot.org
[23:27] <coolpolygons[m]> Thx man
[23:28] <tsimonq2> np :)
[23:38] <coolpolygons[m]> Is the irc a more favorable way of communicating than telegram, or does it not matter
[23:44] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [lubuntu-seeds] lubuntu-lugito pushed 1 new commit to bionic: https://git.io/vxSV6
[23:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- lubuntu-seeds/bionic 2516455 Simon Quigley: Make sure the slideshow is installed...


[02:48] <highvoltage> hola
[02:48] <highvoltage> (I don't understand spanish though)
[02:49] <stgraber> hallo
[14:04] <highvoltage> alk<tab>
[15:36] <highvoltage> hey alkisg
[15:36] <alkisg> high highvoltage :)
[15:37] <highvoltage> alkisg: we still have an iTalc slide on http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/precise/edubuntu-ubiquity-slideshow/
[15:38] <highvoltage> alkisg: would you be able to come up with some new text we can put in there for epoptes?
[15:38] <alkisg> highvoltage: well at first glance we can keep the existing message there, epoptes can do all the stuff italc does
[15:38] <alkisg> But if we need something more ... hm...
[15:39] <highvoltage> heh, ok. I'll just rename it and replace the screenshot
[15:42] <alkisg> Some features that epoptes has, that italc doesn't... dynamic client detection, ltsp integration, ...most stuff actually works (e.g. not even logout worked in italc/linux), execute custom commands on the clients, and some minor features like broadcasting in a window or sound muting
[15:45]  * highvoltage adds that
[16:08] <highvoltage> Installation de udev...
[16:08] <highvoltage> Mise à jour du serveur virtuel...
[16:08] <highvoltage> ERREUR: L'exécution du script '/etc/vsmanage/models/base/all/post.d/05upgrade.sh' a échoué (retour d'un code de sortie différent de zéro).
[16:08] <highvoltage> Voir /var/log/vsmanage/vsmanage.log pour plus de détails.
[16:08] <highvoltage> (sorry, totally wrong channel)
[16:13] <alkisg> stgraber: can we move ./ltsp-trunk/server/scripts/debian/policy-rc.d.ltsp to ltsp-client, and dpkg-divert it on ltsp-client.postinst, and also symlink it to /etc/grub.d/00-avoid-grub-update?
[16:15] <stgraber> alkisg: not sure I follow, policy-rc.d should only be done from ltsp-build-client as otherwise, installing ltsp-client on a non-LTSP machine will prevent all init scripts from starting (I know it's not possible yet, but it's the long term goal still)
[16:16] <alkisg> stgraber: once use case is to be able to build clients on regular machines but still be able to transfer them to the server and maintain them with chroot afterwards
[16:16] <alkisg> That policy wrapper doesn't do harm on regular machines
[16:16] <alkisg> (otherwise ltsp clients wouldn't even boot)
[16:16]  * stgraber needs to read the script
[16:17] <alkisg> stgraber: in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/936810 I have a list of things to do, most of them are packaging tasks
[16:17] <stgraber> right, it checks the environment
[16:17] <alkisg> I can send a debdiff + test them. I don't think we can do it in sync with vagrantc as we're too diverted with debian on that
[16:17] <stgraber> dpkg-divert is generally considered evil, so the least we have to do it, the better really
[16:17] <alkisg> So when we're done he can check the diff + sync what he wants
[16:18] <alkisg> Indeed, we only do it for the chroot maintainance
[16:18] <alkisg> We don't need it for maintaining or booting ltsp in regular machines
[16:18] <alkisg> And I think it's documented that for chroots that's the appropriate method
[16:18] <stgraber> I'd prefer we ship a separate file as /etc/grub.d/00-avoid-grub-update that exits "1" instead of "101" and tells the user why it's exitting
[16:19] <alkisg> Yes, that'd be better
[16:19] <stgraber> can't we make ltsp-chroot write and remove the policy-rc.d file instead?
[16:19] <alkisg> ...sure why not!
[16:19] <stgraber> I think it'd make sense to move that kind of chroot maintenance stuff to ltsp-chroot and maybe have ltsp-build-client call ltsp-chroot
[16:21] <alkisg> In the same sense, ltsp-chroot can also install the grub-update diversion
[16:23] <alkisg> Do you want us to go through the packaging stuff together whenever you have time? Would you like me to prepare a .debdiff instead?
[16:26] <stgraber> indeed grub should be done by ltsp-chroot too (writting and removing the file)
[16:26] <stgraber> for the packaging, it'd be great if you could commit your changes by small chunks to a branch of ubuntu:ltsp, then send a merge proposal
[16:26] <stgraber> that way I can see the different commits and it's much easier to review
[16:26] <alkisg> Sure, will do the same for ltspfs too
[16:27] <alkisg> (if it's a different packaging, haven't looked)
[16:27] <stgraber> ltspfs is maintained directly in Debian, so ideally, send your changes to vagrant
[16:27] <stgraber> and if we need them in Ubuntu 12.04, we'll need to do some paperwork ;)
[16:28] <alkisg> Nah for ltspfs it's just a small bugfix :D
[16:28] <alkisg> For ltsp, yes I think we'll need it :)
[16:29] <alkisg> Ah stgraber can I upload a new version of epoptes with modified UI, no additional features?
[16:29] <alkisg> UI freeze is tomorrow, right?
[16:29] <alkisg> Or do I need to get it to debian first, and sync later? (which will get me past uif...)
[16:30] <stgraber> alkisg: upload it as <version>-0ubuntu1 to Ubuntu directly, then have vagrant upload <version>-1 and sync it to Ubuntu
[16:30] <alkisg> Thanks!
[16:30] <stgraber> that way we have the new UI before UI freeze and then we're back in sync with Debian
[16:35] <highvoltage> alkisg: I updated the slide for epoptes on http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/precise/edubuntu-ubiquity-slideshow/ - let me know if I should change anything further
[17:52] <stgraber> highvoltage: the Edubuntu grey looks a bit weird on the blue background, did you try in white instead?
[18:02] <highvoltage> I could do that
[21:22] <alkisg> stgraber: bit of help? epoptes/trunk$ debuild -S -sa
[21:22] <alkisg> ...dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ../epoptes_0.4.3.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}
[21:23] <stgraber> well, you're obviously missing a .orig.tar.gz tarball ;)
[21:23] <alkisg> :) some magic to tell debuild to create one?
[21:24] <stgraber> not really, it's not debuild's job
[21:24] <stgraber> let me have a look at the branch, I'm not familiar with epoptes' trunk
[21:25] <stgraber> oh, you have a debian directory in your trunk, interesting ...
[21:25] <alkisg> It's easier for maintainance...
[21:26] <alkisg> I also had a native package at first but vagrantc changed it
[21:26] <alkisg> Let me push the changelog btw
[21:26] <stgraber> yeah, and it looks like vagrant has been repacking your tarball too
[21:26] <alkisg> OK, pushed, that's what I want to upload
[21:27] <stgraber> so in theory:
[21:27] <alkisg> So, am I supposed to manually generated a tar.gz before running debuild?!
[21:27] <stgraber> - bzr export ../epoptes-0.4.3
[21:27] <stgraber> - cd ../epoptes-0.4.3
[21:27] <stgraber> - rm -Rf debian/
[21:27] <stgraber> - cd ..
[21:27] <stgraber> - tar -zcf epoptes_0.4.3.orig.tar.gz epoptes-0.4.3/
[21:27] <stgraber> - cp -R trunk/debian epoptes-0.4.3/
[21:27] <stgraber> - cd epoptes-0.4.3/
[21:27] <stgraber> - debuild -S -sa
[21:28] <alkisg> Gotcha, thanks, trying...
[21:28] <stgraber> that should give you: epoptes_0.4.3.orig.tar.gz (without debian/) + epoptes_0.4.3-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz (with only debian/)
[21:28] <stgraber> put them somewhere before you upload so I can make sure it's indeed clean and vagrant won't have an heart attack when seeing them ;)
[21:31] <alkisg> stgraber: epoptes_0.4.3.orig.tar.gz contains an epoptes-0.4.3 folder, while epoptes_0.4.3-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz contains debian/ without any parent folders, is this ok?
[21:31] <alkisg> (other than that all seem fine, uploading...)
[21:31] <alkisg> (to an ftp dir... :))
[21:32] <alkisg> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alkisg/tmp/epoptes/
[21:35] <stgraber> yep
[21:35] <stgraber> looking now
[21:36] <stgraber> yep, looks all good
[21:36] <alkisg> Many thanks! :)
[21:37] <alkisg> Uploaded, /me crosses fingers...


[06:07] <Laibsch> I'd appreciate if somebody who is familiar with the maintainer scripts had a look at bug 881806 to help with triage
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[09:55] <Laney> morning
[09:55] <Laney> dholbach: you might be interested in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-motu-bof
[09:55] <dholbach> ah, yes!
[09:58] <Laney> :-)
[16:52] <Laney> tumbleweed: components are now in udd
[16:53] <Laney> sql to get the historical data right welcomed
[16:53] <tumbleweed> \o/
[16:55]  * Laney braves the gym for the first time this year
[18:35]  * Laney returns, dead
[21:02] <tumbleweed> bdrung: I think once bug 878499 is nailed, we can do another u-d-t upload
[21:03] <tumbleweed> Laney: I made syncpackage in trunk ignore CURRENT blacklisting, and added a --fakesync option instead of --no-lp --force
[21:04] <Laney> nice nice
[21:04] <Laney> comment printing too?
[21:04] <tumbleweed> yeah, it always prints the comments now
[21:04] <Laney> good stuff
[21:04] <tumbleweed> it's also a little more pedantic about fakesyncing
[21:05] <tumbleweed> it won't fakesync with --no-lp. And will complaid if it doesn't need to fakesync and you told it to
[21:08] <tumbleweed> that also means one can't force a blacklist override any more (when not fakesyncing). Do we think we need that?
[21:11] <micahg> tumbleweed: I think that's probably good, the blacklist should be removed if not needed anymore (assuming this is the ubuntu-archive blacklist list)
[21:12] <tumbleweed> it checks both that and lp
[21:12]  * micahg doesn't know about the LP blacklist
[21:13] <tumbleweed> +localpackagediffs has one
[21:22] <bdrung> tumbleweed: do you have time to look at bug 878499?
[21:22] <tumbleweed> oh, and the documentatino bug, just filed
[21:23] <tumbleweed> yeah I might have some time this evening
[21:25]  * bdrung needs sleep.


[01:02] <snap-l> party
[02:52] <jcastro_> tigers are getting wasted
[06:59] <rick_h_> morning
[06:59] <rick_h_> damn lost irc overnight doh
[12:37] <rick_h_> party party
[12:38] <brousch> who let the farty?
[13:11] <snap-l> Huh, apparently I lost connection to all of my IRC
[13:11] <snap-l> efnet and geekshed too
[13:11] <snap-l> and Marcel Gagne's IRC
[16:24] <krondor> hey now, what is this ringo nonsense... just when I thought the answer to CLI js was node.js :|
[17:02] <jcastro_> rick_h_, new circuit is in!
[17:02] <jcastro_> I now have 45 amps in that room
[17:02] <jcastro_> they say if I need more than that I should consider thinking my life goals, hahah
[17:18] <jrwren> hahaha
[17:18] <jrwren> do you have an openstack system in your office?
[17:21] <snap-l> jcastro_: That's funny. :)
[17:25] <brousch> Crap, video is dying again
[17:27] <brousch> At least it only takes 30 seconds to reboot
[18:46] <snap-l> I wish these in-ear headphones weren't shit
[18:46] <snap-l> got some JVC marshmallow headphones, and they sound like I'm in a tunnel
[18:46] <snap-l> Compared with my Koss Portapros, which sound amazing.
[18:47] <snap-l> Or at least have some dynamic range
[19:06] <jcastro_> snap-l: ok, in the weird o meter
[19:06] <jcastro_> Glen Drover is joining Geoff Tate's Queensryche
[19:06] <jcastro_> not the other queensryche, lol
[19:22] <snap-l> jcastro_: Yeah, I read that
[19:22] <snap-l> Geoff Tate has graduated to Major Asshole, as far as I can tell
[19:23] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Tate
[19:25] <snap-l> The band I liked dissolved in 1997
[19:26] <snap-l> ACtually, Promised Land was the last album I really liked
[19:26] <snap-l> Hear in the Now Frontier was not that good
[19:26] <snap-l> Haven't heard anything since that has convinced me otherwise
[19:28] <jcastro_> I liked Hear in the Now
[19:28] <jcastro_> but it was clearly the end
[19:30] <snap-l> It's sad, frankly.
[19:34] <snap-l> I think the band really lost their rudder when DeGarmo left.
[19:34] <snap-l> and allowing your family to help run your band is always a bad sign
[19:34] <snap-l> It killed the Beatles, and it's killed Queensryche, no matter if they did band-mitosis
[19:38] <jcastro_> indeed
[19:38] <jcastro_> he was awesome
[19:38] <jcastro_> he was their best songwriter anyway
[19:57] <nullspace> jcastro_: why do you need 45 amps again?
[19:58] <nullspace> snap-l: my etymonics are in-ear and are pretty freaking awesome
[20:01] <jcastro_> I needed 20
[20:01] <jcastro_> but the room had 15
[20:01] <jcastro_> now I have both
[20:02] <nullspace> that woudl be 35 amps
[20:02] <jcastro_> oh lol
[20:02] <jcastro_> yes, yes it would
[20:02] <jrwren> lol
[20:03] <nullspace> what's pulling 20 amps? got a table saw?
[20:04] <jcastro_> no, all my computers
[20:04] <nullspace> ha
[20:04] <jrwren> i think he has an openstack
[20:05] <nullspace> or just a ton of hp mini servers
[20:05] <jcastro_> just one hp mini
[20:05] <jcastro_> but the i7 machine is like 9 amps on its own
[20:06] <nullspace> +1kw PSUs
[20:06] <krondor> all those crts with matrix screensavers do not come cheap :P
[20:20] <jrwren> lol
[20:20] <jrwren> moar GPU for moar triangles!
[20:43] <rick_h_> jcastro_: awesome on the wiring upgrade
[20:43] <rick_h_> working out better for you?
[20:44] <rick_h_> jcastro_: ah cool, so you did for sure only have 15A
[20:44] <rick_h_> that's what it sounded like, glad it worked out


[02:50] <Vialas> how are you all?
[02:50] <Vialas> wondering if i can have some support re Raspberry Pi and Cloud 9 IDE
[03:12] <Vialas> hello Dr_Who
[06:23] <Vialas> hello, can someone help me out with Cloud 9 IDE
[09:52] <Vialas> anyone help me?
[12:12] <rbasak> !anyone | Vialas
[12:12] <ubot2`> Vialas: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.
[12:12] <rbasak> Vialas: note that the Raspberry Pi isn't supported by Ubuntu, since it's ARMv6 and Ubuntu is built for ARMv7.
[12:15] <ogra_> this is why we have this informative thing called /topic in this channel ;)


[00:11] <bjsnider> i don't think xfce is really new at all
[00:12] <penguin42> erm no; it's a perfectly reasonable phrase though - as in red is the new black
[00:13] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., it's what we use now that gnome is broken by design :p
[00:13] <bjsnider> gnome is not broken by design
[00:14] <penguin42> lets not get back into the argument please?!
[00:14] <bjsnider> there is no argument
[00:15] <bazhang> getting offtopic here
[01:05] <winut> any idea on how to get gnome-keyring to load on login? using kubuntu 11.10 thanks
[01:05] <winut> using evolution mail atm and that requires gnome keyring, as its not programmed to use kwallet
[01:06] <winut> evolution still prompts for the password, albeit just 1 with gnome-keyring installed. however, would be better to open without password. any ideas? thanks
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> I always set a blank keyring password, easier times
[01:09] <winut> does that work? on kubuntu 11.10 and evolution 3?
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> ive not used evolution but if there is a blank password then you will never be bothered for the password
[01:10] <winut> i think this maybe a new feature of evolution 3
[01:11] <winut> I haven't had a chance to test it in ubuntu as the desktop crashed too much
[01:12] <winut> oneiric
[02:18] <IdleOne> !notunity | bonjohnjovi
[02:19] <bonjohnjovi> IdleOne, the thing is, apt-get install gnome-shell tells me no installation candidate available
[02:20] <IdleOne> try apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[02:20] <bonjohnjovi> already done the update part
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> doing it again.
[02:21] <IdleOne> hmm, you have the universe repo enabled
[02:21] <IdleOne> ?
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> don't know, isn't it enabled by default?
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> can't even install synaptic either
[02:21] <IdleOne> should be yes
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> it doesn't seem to be enabled
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> i'm on the livecd
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> lemme check sources.list
[02:21] <IdleOne> what does lsb_release -a give you
[02:22] <IdleOne> oh, you are running live cd, yeah might be disabled there, can't imagine why though
[02:22] <bonjohnjovi> ubuntu oneiric (development)
[02:22] <bonjohnjovi> i just want to test stability before i dive in.
[02:22] <IdleOne> very wise
[02:22] <bonjohnjovi> yea, universe is not available
[02:23] <IdleOne> I dive in head firsty before checking if the pool has water
[02:23] <IdleOne> first*
[02:23] <bonjohnjovi> lol
[02:23] <bonjohnjovi> i'm looking for something stable, so i gotta check first :)
[02:23] <bonjohnjovi> trusting that beta is good enough
[02:23] <bonjohnjovi> and only gets better
[02:24] <IdleOne> well oneiric is still beta and stable enough'ish
[02:24] <bonjohnjovi> yea, i jumped to fedora 6 months ago, but want to get back to ubuntu
[02:24] <bonjohnjovi> it feels way better.
[02:24] <bonjohnjovi> and i can't wait for the stable release
[02:25] <bonjohnjovi> package installing now.
[02:26] <bonjohnjovi> its funny how the livecd is almost faster than an install because everything runs off RAM
[02:34] <bullgard4> bonjohnjovi: Using a Ubuntu live CD will not make "everything" run off RAM.
[02:34] <bonjohnjovi> bullgard4, i know, that
[02:34] <bonjohnjovi> that's why i said *almost*
[02:34] <bonjohnjovi> package installs are certainly faster.
[02:35] <bonjohnjovi> except when waiting to read libs from the cdrom.
[02:36] <bonjohnjovi> right. upgrade done.
[02:36] <bonjohnjovi> time to switch sessions.
[02:37] <bonjohnjovi> ok. now in g-shell
[02:53] <bonjohnjovi> is it possible to make gnome-shell the default?
[02:55] <jbicha> bonjohnjovi: generally, whatever session you opened last is pre-selected
[02:56] <bonjohnjovi> ok. doesn't seem to act like that on the livecd though.
[02:56] <bonjohnjovi> thanks.
[02:56] <bonjohnjovi> laters.
[03:43] <bullgard4_> IdleOne: <ubottu>: "To use GNOME Shell on Oneiric, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool". For GNOME Fallback mode, which is similar to GNOME 2, install "gnome-panel". Both packages will place a new entry in the Sessions dropdown on the login window." What are the names of these entries?
[03:43] <rww> No idea, try it and see >.>
[03:44] <rww> Internet says "GNOME" and "GNOME Classic", respectively.
[03:48] <bullgard4_> rww: I have tried and looked at it before I posted here. I cannot establish the association of the 3 entries "GNOME", "GNOME Classic" and "GNOME Classic (No Effects)" with ubottu's mentioning of 2 packages.
[03:48] <rww> bullgard4_: GNOME is Shell, GNOME Classic is GNOME Fallback with Compiz, GNOME Classic is GNOME Fallback with Metacity
[03:49] <rww> erm, GNOME Classic (no effects) is GNOME Fallback with Metacity
[03:49] <bullgard4_> rww: Thank you for explaining.
[04:28] <zhiwei> hi,all. My Desktop Icon has some errors, who can tell me the reason?
[04:45] <tjoy> I used to have an i386 alternate-install CD for oneiric, where can I download it again?
[04:45] <tjoy> n/m found one
[04:45] <tjoy> http://mirrors.easynews.com/linux/ubuntu-releases//oneiric/ if anyone else needs it
[06:11] <xgt001> why is apt-get downloading all the package data again and again,...in natty and early it , to download something like 12 mb at first and upon further updating it downloaded only the changed packages.. but oneiric beta1 is downloading everything all over agian
[06:14] <tsimpson> xgt001: because you're on a development release and things change often
[06:15] <xgt001> tsimpson: ok so will the apt keep downloading all the  package info all over again unless it becomes a release?
[06:15] <tsimpson> no, apt still only downloads the packages that have changed
[06:15] <tsimpson> it just so happens that everything changes a lot during development
[06:18] <xgt001> tsimpson: not exactly... here i tried twice and it downloaded 22 mb every time despite packages havent changed....is it a bug that i should report?
[06:18] <tsimpson> how do you know packages haven't changed? are they the same version?
[06:19] <sjanssen> in Ubuntu 11.04, I used Nautilus strictly for the automounter, I don't run a desktop environment.  I used "nautilus -n --no-desktop", and this worked properly: no icons on the desktop, no nautilus window, and automounting worked
[06:19] <xgt001> tsimpson: yes... they are the same
[06:19] <sjanssen> in 11.10, "nautilus -n --no-desktop" outputs "Initializing nautilus-gdu extension", pauses for 5 seconds, then prints "Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension"
[06:20] <sjanssen> what's up with that?  Is it part of Ubuntu-specific desktop integration stuff?  I don't want to go bugging the Gnome people if it's Ubuntu-specific
[06:20] <tsimpson> xgt001: then you probably should report a bug, but I don't see how apt would download exactly the same packages more than once
[06:21] <xgt001> tsimpson: not exactly the packages... i mean the  package lists ... that is when we do apt-get update
[06:21] <tsimpson> xgt001: well the package lists change often
[06:22] <tsimpson> new packages, new versions, new descriptions, new translations, removed packages etc
[06:23] <xgt001> btw how to install i386 apps in amd64 in 11.10... i heard there is better support for i386 apps in 11.10 now for amd64
[06:23] <tsimpson> I don't know, I run 386
[06:25] <xgt001> ok folks, i want to triple boot oneiric, maverick and win7, currently i have win7 and oneiric installed in seperate partitions.. i have seperate / and /home partitions, along with a seperate swap... should i resize home partition to install maverick?
[08:24] <Peter_Bilt> what compiler uses ubuntu kernl?
[08:25] <rww> Peter_Bilt: GCC
[08:26] <Peter_Bilt> lol
[08:27] <Peter_Bilt>  know its gcc but the version used to compile
[08:27] <rww> should have said that, then :P
[08:27] <rww> cat /proc/version
[08:31] <Peter_Bilt> its 4.6.1 ok
[08:32] <Peter_Bilt> i got strange errors
[09:23] <rohdef> after I upgraded grub forgot about one of my Windows partitions, and now I can only access the recovery partition, and not the one with the working windows on
[09:23] <rohdef> how can I reconfigure grub, so I  once again get access to my working windows
[09:43] <justinas> Good morning!
[09:43] <justinas> Synaptic autentification dialog does not get the focus in Oneiric.
[09:43] <justinas> In fact, I managed to type in my password in an entirely different application when Synaptic started.
[09:43] <justinas> It really gets irksome.
[09:47] <justinas> I suppose the expected behaviour is that the Synapic authentification dialog blocks all the input to any other application while it runs.
[10:02] <Peter_Bilt> there is no xorg.conf
[10:20] <Peter_Bilt> i got a new pc with dandy birds, and a fatality motherboard from asrock z68 something 3, i cant see a xorg.conf
[10:29] <iceroot> how to remove "ubuntu-desktop" complete on 11.10? is there something else then "sudo apt-get remove --purge" and put there every package from ubuntu-desktop?
[10:56] <bullgard4>  [seahorse] Passwords and Encrption Keys > tab "Passwords" > entry "Name=Passwords:default": What does mean here »default« (in contrast to »login«)?
[10:56] <bullgard4> iceroot: I'm afraid not.
[10:58] <bullgard4> Peter_Bilt: There is no xorg.conf by default.
[11:01] <bullgard4> justinas: With me, Synaptic autentification dialog does get the focus in Oneiric. --  File an error report in Launchpad.
[11:01] <bullgard4> +h
[11:07] <Peter_Bilt> bulldarg, so how should i make my hdmi2 work?
[11:09] <macer1> Peter_Bilt, what problem do you have?
[11:14] <justinas> bullgard4: I am using Gnome classic mode, not that unity crap.
[11:15] <justinas> Probably that's the problem.
[11:16] <bullgard4> justinas: Even in this case you should report this error to Launchpad.
[11:17] <tjoy> how can i force apt to prefer one repository over another even if the software is older?
[11:17] <tjoy> for the same package
[11:18] <iceroot> bullgard4: ok thank you
[11:24] <bullgard4> Peter_Bilt: You can create your own xorg.conf if it does not exist. I only said that xorg.conf does not exist any longer by default.
[11:27] <rigved> is thunderbird able to sync contacts from ubuntu one?
[11:36] <justinas> bullgard4: I would gladly do that if Launchpad did not require me to register there!
[11:36] <justinas> And I'd sooner change then distribution than register in some site.
[11:36] <justinas> s/then/the/g
[11:39] <rigved> in thunderbird, i cannot find a way to sync my ubuntu one contacts. in the ubuntu one control panel, i can see "Enable evolution-couchdb plugin". but i'm using thunderbird, not evolution. so how do i sync my ubuntu one contacts with thunderbird? can anyone help?
[11:42] <macer1> rigved, maybe it is not implemented
[11:43] <rigved> macer1: i was just now googling for this. it seems that there an extension, but it is still experimental.
[11:44] <rigved> in thunderbird, i can create a new network-based calendar, but it is not the same as contacts-sync, afaik.
[11:46] <rigved> sorry, my mistake. calendar and contacts are two different things!
[11:46] <BluesKaj> hey all
[11:55] <Peter_Bilt> i am sadly i can't see my fanrpm
[12:07] <alkisg> I'm running `apport-bug linux` in Oneiric beta 1 live CD, and it tells me that it cannot report the bug because it's not a genuine Ubuntu package...???
[12:10] <winut> Howdy BluesKaj! any luck with muon yet?
[12:11] <rigved> alkisg: there is no package called linux. do you want to collect information against the linux kernel?
[12:12] <alkisg> rigved: yes, and the apport-bug manpage states that "linux" is special-cased just for that
[12:12] <alkisg>        As a special case, to report a bug against the Linux kernel, you do not need to use the full package name (such as linux-image-2.6.28-4-generic); you can just use
[12:12] <alkisg>            apport-bug linux
[12:12] <jtaylor> are you using the stock linux kernel?
[12:13] <alkisg> The one that comes with the oneiric beta live cd
[12:13] <alkisg> So I guess yes, not the vanilla one, but the stock ubuntu one
[12:14] <alkisg> It might have been superseeded in the archives since beta1 was released (3.0.0-9)
[12:14] <rigved> alkisg: what happens when you try to use apport against the full package name? use uname -r to get the version number.
[12:15] <alkisg> rigved: exactly the same error message is displayed
[12:16] <alkisg> (apport-bug linux-image-3.0.0-9-generic)
[12:19] <rigved> alkisg: i just now tried the command: apport-bug linux; and it worked. maybe the fact that you are using a LiveCD (no actual installed package) is causing the problem, but not sure about this.
[12:20] <alkisg> Thank you rigved
[12:57] <BluesKaj> no updates today ?
[13:16] <penguin42> BluesKaj: There are  apile waiting here
[13:19] <BluesKaj> penguin42, how long since you updated ?
[13:20] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I did an update yesterday, actually on <--- machine it said no updates, but I hit check and it found some, so I think they probably landed in the last hour or so
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ok , I just had one , os-prober ...was afraid I acquired the same problem of seeming blocked updates/upgrades that some others have encountered
[13:24] <ernstp> Anyone elses Firefox crashing all the time?
[13:24] <ernstp> Even in safe-mode
[13:25]  * penguin42 mostly uses chrome, but firefox seems ok for the 1 or 2 pages I use it for
[13:32] <ernstp> crashes on gmail for example
[13:32] <BluesKaj> whoa , pc just crashed
[13:33] <BluesKaj> as if i hit actrl+al+delete
[13:33] <penguin42> not good
[13:33] <BluesKaj> ernstp, altho FF seems ok here
[13:34] <ernstp> Signature	libgobject-2.0.so.0.2990.0@0x11caa
[13:35] <ernstp> on the crashes
[13:35] <ernstp> so maybe not firefox related..
[13:36] <BluesKaj> I didn't have FF running at the time
[13:52] <winut> any idea why phonon backend vlc wont work with amarok on kubuntu 11.10? thanks (causes it to crash immediately)
[13:54] <Peter_Bilt> i want my fancontrol back
[13:54] <Peter_Bilt> i cant' see rpm
[13:55] <winut> did you lose this feature in a kernel update?
[13:55] <Peter_Bilt> no
[13:55] <winut> what is your os?
[13:55] <Peter_Bilt> 10.10
[13:55] <Peter_Bilt> and i got a asrock fatality
[13:55] <winut> when/how did you lose it?
[13:55] <Peter_Bilt> on toilet
[13:56] <winut> if you lose it on the toilet, that fine as its in private! lol
[13:57] <Peter_Bilt> no clue
[13:57] <Peter_Bilt> i think its a sensors issue
[13:57] <Peter_Bilt> let me check lm-sensors version
[13:57] <Peter_Bilt> sensors version 3.3.0 with libsensors version 3.3.0
[13:58] <winut> so you've had it working before on 10.10?
[14:09] <Peter_Bilt> those module init tools aren't working on z68
[14:19] <nperry> Where are auto-start application list kept now?
[14:28] <TheBuntu> Does Nvidia drivers work yet in 11.10
[14:29] <ernstp> nperry, the utility menu in the top right corner has startup applications
[14:29] <blostoks1> guys i just installed ubuntu+1, and i was wondering how i could disable compiz
[14:30] <blostoks1> sorry closed my connection
[14:31] <blostoks1> anybody any idea
[14:32] <TheBuntu> if i dident want compiz i would unstall it
[14:32] <nperry> ernstp: I might be being blind, cant see it
[14:32] <nperry> oh now i can
[14:32] <nperry> I was being blind
[14:33] <TheBuntu> In 11.10 does Nvidia work yet
[14:33] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, nvidia-current driver is working fine here
[14:34] <TheBuntu> was just woundering sence in alpha it dident
[14:34] <BluesKaj> which nvidia card , TheBuntu ?
[14:35] <blostoks1> guys how do i disable compiz
[14:35] <TheBuntu> 8400GS
[14:36] <charlie-tca> compiz is required by unity desktop. Disabling it means it can't run the Ubuntu session
[14:36] <IdleOne> blostoks1: Unity requires compiz to run
[14:36] <IdleOne> blostoks1: what is your end goal?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> heh TheBuntu that's the same card I have , have you installed the recommended driver in admin>additional drivers?
[14:37] <blostoks1> well i am installing ubuntu on this old eeepc 901 for my seven year old son, but its a bit slow IdleOne so i was wondering if i could disale it
[14:38] <IdleOne> blostoks1: hmm perhaps try Lubuntu if it has low specs
[14:38] <blostoks1> besides that i get an error when i start ubuntu, that some programs has experienced some problem
[14:38] <TheBuntu> BluesKaj: still on 11.04.. thats why i was asking if nvidia worked yet befor i upgraded
[14:38] <blostoks1> is that a known problem IdleOne
[14:39] <IdleOne> blostoks1: that is expected with a beta version
[14:39] <blostoks1> lol, oke
[14:39] <IdleOne> errors are expected I mean
[14:39] <blostoks1> yeah i know,
[14:39] <blostoks1> last question how doi i add programs to the left sidebar
[14:40] <IdleOne> run the app and then right click on the icon > keep in launcher
[14:41] <blostoks1> kee and in the same way i could remove apps i suppose
[14:41] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, I'm not on unity or any other gnome desktops ,, i run KDE and i don't need compiz , so your situation will be differnt altho with the 8400gs , you shouldn't have any problems
[14:42] <TheBuntu> BluesKaj: im kde as well
[14:43] <blostoks1> thanks IdleOne :) btw is the ubuntu software center already working
[14:43] <blostoks1> because i tried to install vlc through it but it did not install
[14:45] <thoeger> Hi folks, still have the problem that I seem to only get a Unity2D session no matter what entry I chooese in LightDM and same thing in GDM. Any suggestions as to how I can troubleshoot?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, then you should be fine , look in the kmenu>apps>settings>additional drivers for the recommended driver , the 280.13 is also recommended on 11,04
[14:47] <TheBuntu> i know that.... im upgradeing to 11.10 right now..... i was just checking to to if the driver worked yet.... sence it dident in 11.10 alpha stage
[14:48] <TheBuntu> 270 is 11.04
[14:49] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, 280.13  is also quite stable on 11.10 , tho you may need to use nomodeset in /etc/default/grub "quiet splash "
[14:49] <IdleOne> blostoks1: no clue. I never use it.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, I'm runniung 280 on my other kubuntu pc with 11.04 ...it has a 7600gt graphics
[14:51] <TheBuntu> oh ok..... i installed 11.04 yesterday and it gave me 270
[14:53] <BluesKaj> that's fine TheBuntu , if it runs ok no need to upgrade .
[14:57] <don-i> hey i got some 11.10 problems
[14:57] <blostoks1> like what don-i
[14:57] <don-i> i upgrade from 11.04 and it worked, but it was slow and sluggish, i think i broke it before i even upgraded by installing gnome 3
[14:58] <don-i> so i did a clean install and everything was good (meaning no errors during the install process)
[14:58] <don-i> now ubuntu wont boot
[14:58] <blostoks1> yeah that is a problem
[14:58] <macer1> don-i, uefi? bios?
[14:58] <don-i> i can get to grub, and if wait for the grub timeout, it chooses the default option, the screen goes black and i just have a flashing cursor
[14:58] <blostoks1> well i am a archlinux user myself, only installing ubuntu for my son
[14:59] <blostoks1> but it feels slow a sluggy on this old eeepc 901
[14:59] <blostoks1> but i like it very much i must say
[14:59] <don-i> if i manually choose the option in grub, it spits out stuff on a black screen and stops there
[14:59] <don-i> i just wanted gnome 3
[14:59] <don-i> lol
[14:59] <don-i> i hated unity
[14:59] <don-i> i know they are similar
[14:59] <don-i> but gnome 3 has a better feel to it
[14:59] <macer1> unity is better in oneiric, btw
[15:00] <don-i> lol
[15:00] <don-i> well...id like to get into ubuntu first..really at this point anything would be good
[15:00] <don-i> when i go into recovery, same thing, spits out some stuff on a black screen and hangs there
[15:01] <blostoks1> yeah, well for me the compiz is a problem on this old system
[15:01] <blostoks1> for example i started ubuntu software center, and now it wont close and does not work
[15:02] <don-i> guess its still pretty beta
[15:02] <don-i> lol
[15:03] <penguin42> yofel_: On your kubuntu install is the shutdown button still there on 'leave'? It's gone for me - just shows sleep and hibernate on the bottom half of the menu
[15:03] <blostoks1> does kununtu allso has ubuntu software center
[15:04] <penguin42> it seems to have a Muon software centre instead
[15:07] <don-i> oh ok got it
[15:07] <don-i> had to add to my grub file acpi=off
[15:10] <blostoks1> kee thanks penguin42
[15:16] <thoeger> So, when I try to do "compiz --replace" in a terminal, I get the following output: "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0". - three times.
[15:20] <penguin42> thoeger: Ah, you have a graphics driver problem
[15:27] <yofel_> penguin42: still there, but not updated in 2 days (got home from vacation yesterday)
[15:31] <penguin42> yofel: Thanks
[15:37] <penguin42> reported it as bug 853294
[15:56] <chris123> greets
[15:57] <chris123> Somehow the file extension association system got broken in my install of 11.10 Every time I try to open a file in the file manger it launches VLC player. Where do I reset the file extensions and associated programs. Many thanks
[16:01] <glebihan> chris123, deleting ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list should fix this, you may have to log out and back in for changes to take effect
[16:02] <chris123> OK let me give that a try...logging out would be a good thing...:)
[16:08] <winut_> chris, had the same problem! lol
[16:10] <winut_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=936044
[16:11] <winut_> oh, he's not back yet! doh
[16:11] <chris123> Thanks guys that did the trick
[16:12] <chris123> much appreciated....nice work on 11.10 ..:)
[16:12] <chris123> ciao
[16:23] <Peter_Bilt> arkanoid the revenge of doh!
[17:00] <Peter_Bilt> re there any proprietary drivers for sandy?
[17:02] <Peter_Bilt> someone wrote the sandy bridge need  30 percent more power on oneric compared to natty
[17:16] <james296> has anyone else here noticed under System Settings there are 2 Ubuntu One apps in there?
[17:18] <james296> anyone?
[17:18] <macer1> yes
[17:18] <macer1> a bug
[17:19] <james296> why is that? Is there any way to remove the other?
[17:19] <macer1> i was looking to fix this, but i don't know where to look
[17:19] <james296> has it already been noted?
[17:19] <jbicha> yes, bug 838778
[17:20] <james296> also, is there a way to stick with Firefox 6 stable on here instead of Firefox 7?
[17:20] <james296> easily?
[17:20] <macer1> firefox 7 is here because it will be stable before releasing 11.10 ;)
[17:21] <james296> will it really? damn that will be quick
[17:21] <jbicha> james296: downgrades aren't really supported
[17:21] <jbicha> james296: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
[17:22] <james296> it looks like theres a fix in that link you posted to me jbicha
[17:22] <jbicha> Firefox 6 will have known security vulnerabilities by next week so it's not a good idea just for that
[17:22] <jbicha> yes, the Ubuntu One issue will be fixed whenever they get around to pushing the update
[17:23] <james296> I dont know how to apply the fix though
[17:23] <jbicha> I wouldn't worry about it, it will definitely be fixed before release
[17:24] <james296> but I want it fixed now, lol
[17:24] <james296> also, is it a bug that you cant view view purchased apps in the software center?
[17:25] <james296> the reason why I wanted to go back to Firefox 6 is because I hate that stupid feedback button being in the way
[17:26] <james296> nevermind
[17:26] <james296> removed it
[17:26] <james296> lol
[17:38] <gabspeck> hello everyone
[17:38] <gabspeck> yesterday i set up an external monitor for use with my laptop
[17:38] <gabspeck> after restarting, whenever i plug my external monitor, both the laptop display and the external monitor get no image!
[17:39] <penguin42> sounds like a display driver bug - what video hardware do you have?
[17:41] <gabspeck> it's an nvidia
[17:41] <gabspeck> i'm currently using the nouveau driver
[17:42] <gabspeck> until yesterday it worked... i plugged the external display and went to the 'displays' settings applet, and configured it to disable the laptop's display and set the external device as the main monitor
[18:13] <synackfin> does anyone else have trouble booting 11.10 server ?
[18:14] <synackfin> it gets to init-bottom, then after a long while it spams hundreds of "mknod: permission-denied filesystem is read-only" errors, and since /dev is broken, it just hangs after that point
[18:14] <synackfin> I'm runing 11.10 server on a raid+lvm setup
[18:15] <synackfin> it seems as if there's a missing 'mount -o rw /' somewhere
[18:15] <ikonia> synackfin: what type of raid
[18:16] <synackfin> raid1 on classic <2TB msdos partitions
[18:16] <ikonia> hardware raid, motherboard raid, or software raid ?
[18:16] <synackfin> software raid, mdadm
[18:16] <ikonia> synackfin: ok, so my advice is to strip it back with 3 painful, but reasonable tests
[18:17] <ikonia> synackfin: 1.)install on 1 disk, no lvm
[18:17] <ikonia> synackfin: 2.) install on 2 disks mdadm mirrored, but no lvm
[18:17] <ikonia> see if any of those trigger it
[18:17] <ikonia> 3.) install on 1 disk no mirror, with lvm
[18:17] <ikonia> then we can work forward
[18:19] <synackfin> ikonia: the "hard" part of lvm+raid is done since grub was able to boot the kernel, and the initramfs does see my partitions if I do mount -t udev devfs /dev
[18:19] <synackfin> so it seems that raid+lvm initialized fine and passed through grub+kernel+early stage of initramfs
[18:22] <synackfin> is there a way to capture the errors?  The hundreds of "mknod: permission denied - filesystem is readonly" errors erase the more 'useful' errors printing to the monitor
[18:22] <synackfin> the output doesn't seem buffered; pgup / shft-pgup don't let me scroll up
[18:23] <synackfin> also the display is set to 640x480, which means I can only see 40 lines of text
[18:25] <synackfin> also, I was trying the nightly build;  I'm going to retry using beta1 to see if that helps
[18:32] <synackfin> ikonia: oh, and the installer ought to check if there's enough free space for grub before doing the entire install.  The installer errored out at the -very- last stage (installing grub) because I didn't reserve 8MB of free space preceding the first partition
[18:33] <synackfin> I redid the partitions and it succeeded once I left room for grub
[18:42] <bullgard4> penguin42: Launchpad bug #852469
[18:42] <synackfin> ikonia: 1) fine,  2+3) permission denied errors
[18:46] <synackfin> is there any way to step-through the initramfs line by line?
[18:46] <synackfin> I want to see exactly what it's executing and the warnings/errors each line produces
[18:47] <synackfin> it issues a lot of mount/mknod/chroot commands and I want to sanity check them
[18:47] <ikonia>  synackfin very interesting
[18:47] <ikonia> synackfin: I don't see it as an init ram fs error
[18:47] <ikonia> synackfin: what happens if you boot into the recovery shell
[18:48] <synackfin> ikonia: isn't it an initramfs error if '/' remains readonly ?
[18:48] <ikonia> I don't believe so at this time,
[18:49] <synackfin> ikonia: at the very least, initramfs should error if it's unable to remount '/' as rw
[18:49] <synackfin> ikonia: otherwise it just goes on to generate hundreds of other errors
[18:49] <ikonia> I don't believe initramfs is a problem
[18:49] <penguin42> synackfin: You say / is ro - but otherwise started up ok?
[18:50] <synackfin> penguin42: no, the mknod failed on /dev and so mingetty can't get a /dev/pts/tty and a host of other issues due to /dev/ being mostly empty
[18:51] <penguin42> synackfin: Any idea what the very first error you see is ?
[18:51] <synackfin> penguin42: that's what I'm trying to figure out;  the hundreds of mknod permission denied errors scrolled away anything useful
[18:52] <synackfin> penguin42: if I can step through the initramfs I can at least see what the 1st error is
[18:52] <penguin42> synackfin: I'd boot off a rescue cd/thumb and fsck the rootfs
[18:52] <synackfin> penguin42: the rootfs is fine; I can chroot from a livecd and it works nicely
[18:53] <penguin42> synackfin: Huh, weird
[18:53] <synackfin> penguin42: chroot'ing into oneiric avoids oneiric's initramfs
[18:54] <penguin42> synackfin: Yeh, it's just that reasons for staying ro are a bit weird, normally things like a corrupt fs will cause the kernel to switch it to ro
[18:54] <synackfin> penguin42: I can manually make it rw by doing mount -t udev devfs /dev && mount -o rw /
[18:55] <penguin42> synackfin: Anything in dmesg ?
[18:55] <synackfin> penguin42: I'll check soon.. trying beta1 (was doing nightly build)
[18:57] <synackfin> penguin42: but ideally, I'd like it to drop me a shell on the 1st error instead of continuing
[18:58] <synackfin> penguin42: that would both let me see exactly what the root cause is, and be able to intervene
[19:00] <penguin42> nod
[19:00] <synackfin> penguin42: I'm just puzzled because I'm able to manually remount '/' as rw
[19:01] <synackfin> penguin42: do you know of any "step-through" option?
[19:01] <penguin42> nod, you could try doing the mknod
[19:01] <penguin42> anyway, got to go
[19:01] <synackfin> penguin42: instead of mknod, I just did `mount -t udev devtmpfs /dev` and that had everything I needed
[19:02] <synackfin> penguin42: it could be that initramfs for some reason forgot to mount /dev and all those mknod permission denied errors were due to that
[19:04] <synackfin> unless /dev is mounted, any mknod attempt would operate on the root partition '/', and that would result in all the permission-denied errors since it problem remounts '/' as rw much later
[19:04] <synackfin> it probably* remounts
[19:10] <synackfin> it might be the parallel-init that oneiric does
[19:22] <mongy> -offtopic
[19:22] <mongy> oops
[19:52] <vooze> hey guys, whats the default font in ubuntu with gnome shell?
[19:52] <vooze> you can see in in gnome-tweak-tool under Fonts
[20:28] <vooze> Sorry for quit before, did anything answer?
[20:28] <vooze> hey guys, whats the default font in ubuntu with gnome shell? you can see in gnome-tweak-tool
[21:50] <FernandoMiguel> brOas
[22:10] <utusan> how can I make the lower-right corner or any corner act like the upper-left corner in gnome-shell? kinda hard when you have a large screen :)
[22:11] <utusan> or is there a short-cut key?
[22:13] <tomodachi> utusan: if you have a multi touch touchpad (on a laptop it's all four fingers)
[22:13] <utusan> on a desktop?
[22:14] <utusan> tomodachi, ^^
[22:56] <Chotaz> Hello everyone
[22:57] <Chotaz> Is the Oneiric Beta 1 stable for everyday computing needs?
[23:17] <funkyHat> ugh. apt is totally failing to resolve dependencies for upgrding to oneiric (after update-manager failed to do it too and dropped out without reverting)
[23:21] <hacked_kernel> GDM crashes, i'm using KDM only,  and also I can't start Unity 3D or Gnome-Shell, they all crashes
[23:21] <hacked_kernel> I installed Ubuntu-desktop and gnome-shell on kubuntu
[23:28] <hacked_kernel> any ideas?
[23:28] <synackfin> there's something wrong with the order of the scripts in initramfs -- it isn't properly creating /dev prior to mounting / as rw (causing the remount of / as rw to fail on LVM)
[23:40] <synackfin> also, in recovery mode, "remount / as rw and mount all other filesystems" is hanging
[23:40] <synackfin> what commands does it run?
[23:46] <synackfin> it appears that /var/mapper/* is not properly being initialized
[23:46] <synackfin> has anyone else tried booting with LVM?
[23:48] <necreo> banshee still freezes my system when launching it
[23:48] <necreo> anyone else? any fix?
[23:52] <necreo> even moving ~/.config/banshee-1, thus resetting the configuration does nothing
[23:52] <necreo> still freezes up here
[23:52] <necreo> does this happen to anyone else