[09:50] <daftykins> heh i had to buy a CompactFlash card today for the dentists, as their new steriliser machine dumps logs to the things
[09:50] <daftykins> just paid £35 for a 32GB in a local shop
[09:56] <zxmpi> ouch, saw a cp/m group advertising a new mini sd card add on for cpm machines to replace cf card adapter as cf fades away and is harder to find
[09:57] <daftykins> mmm i was amazed i found one, should have gotten another really as i have a PATA adapter i could have used in the Pentium III i have here
[09:57] <daftykins> the one i refurb'd whilst life was a bit quieter :D
[09:59] <daftykins> this full format is taking forever
[10:00] <daftykins> i was a bit thrown when the nurse walked up to me at first, as she said it needed a SIM card
[10:00] <daftykins> just who does it want to phone!?
[10:16]  * zxmpi wonders where i left the spare 1mb ssd card for my psion :-)
[10:17] <daftykins> nice it failed after 100%
[10:18] <zxmpi> formatting the cf card?
[10:20] <daftykins> yep
[10:20] <zxmpi> i wonder if it's too big for the device it's in
[10:21] <zxmpi> or try formatting it in an old camera maybe
[10:21] <daftykins> well i'm doing it from my desktop and have tried multiple partition sizes already
[10:21] <daftykins> yeah i don't own one
[10:21] <daftykins> at least not anymore
[10:24] <zxmpi> might be the stereliser has a format option
[10:24] <daftykins> failed, which is why i came home
[10:24] <zxmpi> which now makes me think it's the card
[10:27] <daftykins> reseat wins the day! it's a pretty ancient reader
[10:27] <zxmpi> that helps too \o/
[10:27] <daftykins> built into my 14 year old monitors
[10:28] <zxmpi> pffffft, my monitor has a scart connector :-P
[10:28] <daftykins> sounds like a TV in disguise
[10:28] <zxmpi> it is
[10:29] <zxmpi> also from a dentists office. it started life as part of a mouth examining camera system
[10:30] <daftykins> coincidence :D
[10:30] <daftykins> ok i halved the partition to 16GB as i don't like my chances, let's see if it works
[10:30] <daftykins> once again - love having a client 100m away, convenience++
[10:31] <zxmpi> come the day you can send a drone to have a look at the customers problem :-)
[13:12] <daftykins> :D
[13:12] <daftykins> just got chatting to the owner of the opticians one street away who are ordering my new lenses too, now he wants my card :o
[13:13] <zxmpi> how many different business cards do you have? :-P
[13:13] <daftykins> got to at least colour them differently ;)
[13:13] <zxmpi> tech support/attitude adjuster/body removal... :-P
[13:14] <daftykins> ooh yes many a rolled up rug needs moving of late here on the island
[13:14] <daftykins> and i know just the guy!
[13:14] <zxmpi> bonus points when you do it on your bike as you worry about your carbon footprint :-D
[13:15] <daftykins> i need a trailer after all, then the cat is on duty to look cute and distract people
[13:16] <zxmpi> need a nice dutch cargo bike for the big jobs
[13:16] <daftykins> i think i've seen one or two, take up the full width of the cycle lanes
[13:17] <zxmpi> loads of them around here. all types, leccy and manual
[13:18] <zxmpi> seems that a common one is to ditch the second car for an electric cargo bike for shopping/daily runner leaving the car for long jaunts and multiple passengers
[13:19] <daftykins> sounds like a good combo
[13:19] <zxmpi> gives you both options for when price of petrol is now dropping while leccy is climbing
[17:21] <daftykins> https://i.redd.it/fne4zonb6qp91.jpg
[17:21] <daftykins> SFW
[21:17] <davef> I'm stealing that
[22:21] <daftykins> :D
[22:21] <daftykins> please do


[00:20] <shauno> I just found the most amazing gizmo.  "RooTooth" adds bluetooth to the roomba.  I think I just found my christmas present
[00:21] <daftykins> what can you then do to the Roomba via bluetooth?
[00:22] <shauno> start/stop it would be the most obvious, but you can take complete control of it over serial
[00:23] <shauno> they already have a serial port that allows this.  this just plugs into the serial port and makes that available, so you're not following it around with a cable
[00:23] <daftykins> :D
[05:30]  * MartijnVdS doesn't see much newness in Trusty yet.. ;)
[07:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:30] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[07:30] <MooDoo> how's it going knightwise ?
[07:40] <knightwise> doing fine , working from home today
[07:40] <MooDoo> nice
[07:40] <knightwise> that means I get to play with office365 and still work on my ubuntu machine
[07:42] <MooDoo> nice, why office365 ?
[07:44] <knightwise> Thats what we use at work
[07:44] <MooDoo> cool
[07:45] <knightwise> and it works great in a browser (currently using Chrome on Ubuntu
[07:46] <MooDoo> awesome, never tried it, normally I use google docs
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> Previous work used Office365, but only for email
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> it SUCKED
[07:50] <knightwise> Office 2013 is a drag , but the web interface of 365 is better then outlook web access
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> it's still buggy though, and quite "heavy" compared to, say, gmail
[07:54] <knightwise> That is true. But if it enables you to use your 'own device" when you are not at work , I kinda lov it
[07:54] <knightwise> just for that
[07:55] <knightwise> mind you , i'm not a serious excel user or anything
[08:00]  * dwatkins signs-up for AlanBell's Ubuntu RPi project
[08:04] <MooDoo> I'm sure he'll appreciate that
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> More pi for everyone 8-)
[08:07] <diplo> Morning all
[08:07] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:08] <diplo> How're we all this morning, tis Friday!
[08:08] <MooDoo> diplo: yippee
[08:08] <diplo> Missing Xmas work do, not sure if I'm happy or glad about that!
[08:08] <MooDoo> diplo: mines next week
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> diplo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5nfV3S7sqI
[08:09] <diplo> never really seen anything to do with this Rebecca Black
[08:09] <diplo> I think i switched off when the internet went mad :)
[08:09] <MooDoo> It'll go mad today with the death of nelson mandela
[08:10] <diplo> I did last night, switched normal telly off and went on the media centre
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> yesterday, I cancelled my TV subscription
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> so I'll be stuck with freesat channels and some FTA DVB-T channels :)
[08:18] <diplo> I've debated that a lot recently MartijnVdS, but it keeps the kids quiet so can't decide
[08:21] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: still need a license though
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: not in the Netherlands :)
[08:24] <knightwise> grrr
[08:25] <knightwise> banshee seems to be unable to import simple standard playlist files
[08:27] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: :p
[09:00] <foobarry_> knightwise: i#m compelled to use o365 for work,  never used the actual office bits besides email, does it work like google docs?
[09:03] <diplo> Anyone know how to embed a video from youtube ( downloaded in multiple formats ) into an impress doc ?
[09:11] <knightwise> foobarry_: yeah it does
[09:11] <foobarry_> knightwise: can't find it on mine :(
[09:16] <foobarry_> knightwise: do they also request admin access when you try to use activesync?
[09:16] <foobarry_> i've gone from having a good email service on my phone to having to remove email because i won't allow my company remote wipe functionality on my personal device
[09:17] <foobarry_> 99% of devices in use are personal
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Miners' Day! :)
[09:42] <MooDoo> JamesTait: morning
[09:42] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[09:42] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[09:44] <czajkowski> aloha :)
[09:44] <czajkowski> how are we all
[09:45] <MooDoo> fine and dandy thanks
[09:50] <foobarry> how can i report a bug with a crash file? ubuntu-bug <crash file name> opens the crash window, but click continue does not submit it to LP
[09:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:52] <bashrc> g'day
[09:52] <foobarry> oh.. bug 994921
[09:56] <ali1234> foobarry: it does
[09:56] <ali1234> you just have to fiddle
[09:59] <foobarry> i had to edit a conf file :(
[09:59] <foobarry> i think it sends a message that bugs won't get fixed...
[09:59] <popey> what crashed?
[10:00] <SuperMatt> morning guys
[10:00] <MooDoo> mornign SuperMatt
[10:00] <SuperMatt> today I should hear back about a job at rackspace \o/
[10:00] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: you did an interview for rackspace?
[10:00] <foobarry> popey: brasero
[10:00] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: yup! yesterday :)
[10:01] <popey> at teh end of burning?
[10:01] <foobarry> nope
[10:01] <foobarry> just clicking on tracks popey
[10:01] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: wow fingers crossed, want to work there myself on day :D
[10:01] <SuperMatt> I'll let you know what it's like ;)
[10:01] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: if you get it :)
[10:01] <popey> SuperMatt: how are the helpouts going?
[10:02] <SuperMatt> I mean, it could be totally dull or whatever, with their pool tables and xbox ones and stuff
[10:02] <SuperMatt> popey: I've been too busy to do them >.<
[10:02] <SuperMatt> literally, the next 5 nights I'm out dancing
[10:02] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I've watched videos I know all about what it's like to be a racker :D
[10:02] <foobarry> i'm told its a dupe of an expired bug 438300
[10:02] <SuperMatt> and I've got house hunting interspersed in that
[10:03] <SuperMatt> oh, and hitting the gym to train for a 10K
[10:04] <foobarry> although my bug is from 12.04 and this bug is from 9.10
[10:05] <popey> see if it's known upstream?
[10:05] <popey> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=brasero
[10:09] <foobarry> doesn't seem to be
[10:11] <popey> might be worth filing one
[10:11] <popey> at least write up how it's reproducible
[10:21] <bigcalm> ctrl+alt+<arrow keys> are my best friends. So much so, that I have Windows doing it as well.
[10:23]  * AlanBell just ordered 35 32GB SD cards
[10:24] <MooDoo> AlanBell: anyone would think you've got a cluster to build.
[10:25] <bigcalm> What's the tar argument to preserve permissions?
[10:25] <MooDoo> bigcalm: p?
[10:26] <bigcalm> MooDoo: sounds likely, ta
[10:36] <foobarry> i got banned from another freenode channel soon after asking why ops hadn't banned a persistent troll that had caused channel splits :-|
[10:36] <MooDoo> foobarry: have you spoken to free node staff about it?
[10:36] <foobarry> probably for the best if they aren't going to ban the troll
[10:37] <foobarry> tbh if he is persistent, using /ignore isn't sufficient because everyone else gets sucked in four hours
[10:37] <foobarry> i'm prob better off not in there..
[10:39] <foobarry> MooDoo: its not  worth it
[10:41]  * foobarry wonders if its possible to get RSI through using a mouse. i have persistent tendon type pain in middle right finger when i try to grip things
[10:41] <diplo> Yep definitely
[10:44] <foobarry> only just noticed i've had it for about 6 months
[10:48] <diplo> Try changing the way you work helps
[10:48] <foobarry> i think my hand is on the mouse most of day
[10:48] <MooDoo> hi all, apart from bug testing any point in updating to the new LTS yet?
[10:49] <SuperMatt> not yet, because you really won't get the long term support until it's actually out :P
[10:49] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: i meant for new features etc smarty pants :D
[10:49] <SuperMatt> I normally like to jump on a +1, but right now I'm not sure I'm going to
[10:50] <SuperMatt> when I hear of a killer feature, I might
[10:50] <SuperMatt> so far, there hasn't been much on OMG about trusty
[10:51] <foobarry> they are taling about image updates
[10:51] <foobarry> mainly for mobile devices i guess, unsure if desktop is affected
[10:52] <SuperMatt> not for mobile stuff
[10:52] <SuperMatt> but I'm sure there will be some very key changes
[10:53] <SuperMatt> for anyone upgrading between LTSes, the biggest thing to look out for is that apache has a number of gotchas
[10:54] <SuperMatt> for instance, if you have any virtual hosts files that don't end in .conf, the vhost won't be loaded
[10:54] <SuperMatt> trufax
[10:54] <SuperMatt> not sure if I should raise a bug against that though
[10:54] <SuperMatt> is it a bug in apache, or a bug in the upgrade process?
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:58] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:59] <bigcalm> davmor2: have you made sure you're not working next Wednesday evening?
[10:59] <SuperMatt> g'ning!
[11:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yeah more important have you :P
[11:00] <bigcalm> :P
[11:01] <bigcalm> My and my wife will be there :)
[11:01] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:01] <MooDoo> bigcalm: davmor2 you guys having a party?
[11:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: Wolveslug xmas bashg
[11:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning good sir
[11:02] <MooDoo> nice
[11:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: my and my wife hey nice ;)
[11:02] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:02] <bigcalm> I could say Hayley, but I still like saying wife ;)
[11:03] <MooDoo> bigcalm: ewww you recently married?
[11:03] <bigcalm> o.O
[11:03] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i'm teasing chap
[11:03] <MooDoo> :)
[11:03] <bigcalm> Haven't I been spamming here with that for long enough?
[11:03] <bigcalm> :P
[11:16] <daftykins> woohoo the boiler guy just came to look at my gas boiler
[11:16] <daftykins> with any luck, the 1 hour of work should be all that's needed to get it running sensibly again
[11:16] <MooDoo> yay
[11:16] <bigcalm> Yay warmth
[11:17] <daftykins> ah well it was heating fine
[11:17] <daftykins> but the thing was losing pressure all the time, seems it was the expansion unit thing
[11:17] <daftykins> expansion vessel rather
[11:17] <daftykins> quick bicycle pump up of that and we may be back to normal :O
[11:19] <arsen> hihi
[11:20] <daftykins> morning sir
[11:20] <arsen> that it is! just.
[11:20] <arsen> waiting for my Wagamanas Breakfast
[11:20] <arsen> as inevitabtly my lunch will be delivered before 12, annoyingly :(
[11:20] <daftykins> i thought the brand was Wagamama? though i'm unfamiliar with them
[11:21] <arsen> it probably is. :d
[11:21] <daftykins> heh you get delivered lunch? :D
[11:21] <arsen> Wagas not encroached the island yet then?
[11:21] <arsen> yeah, Fridays.
[11:21] <daftykins> you name it, we've not got it
[11:21] <daftykins> although two of our big supermarkets are now Waitrose
[11:22] <daftykins> aaaand we have two Costa coffee shops in town now
[11:22] <arsen> How very Middle Class. :D
[11:22] <daftykins> one is 20 seconds from my door, the other is about 90 seconds :>
[11:22] <daftykins> yeah i still shop mostly at the co-op though
[11:22] <daftykins> which carries the produce of English co-ops but is separate, as we have share numbers and get little 4p stamps with every £1 spent!
[11:23] <arsen> hah cool. my parents pretty much live off Co-Op and Waitrose.
[11:23] <daftykins> they still up Notts way or did they move somewhere?
[11:24] <daftykins> i remember you said they were downsizing, many moons ago
[11:24] <arsen> nope, still in the middle of nowhere.
[11:24] <daftykins> hehehe
[11:24] <arsen> they moved to this huge house split into 'apartments', that are bigger than the average house
[11:24] <daftykins> :D
[11:24] <arsen> never a fan, felt like a bad hotel or an old people's home - so last year they just finished building a house. Much better now imo.
[11:25] <daftykins> hahaha nice
[11:25] <arsen> Eco-house, sustainable/passive heat storage etc, all very clever.
[11:25] <daftykins> O_O
[11:25] <daftykins> that'd be nice
[11:25] <daftykins> if this fix today isn't permanent on my boiler, i may have to consider dropping £1,500-2,000 on a new boiler D:
[11:26] <daftykins> oops repetition.
[11:26] <arsen> that sucks - boilers are .. :( though i think the latest generation ones are all very efficient and cosy.
[11:27] <daftykins> yeah they seem to be all on about these fancy condensing ones now
[11:27] <daftykins> my parents even have a wireless controller/thermostat for theirs O_O
[11:27] <arsen> i dont know if there's any govt grant scheme to encourage boiler upgrades
[11:27] <DJones> daftykins: I had a similar problem because of problem with the expansion, radiators worked fine, but couldn't get hot water, ended up getting a new boiler
[11:27] <daftykins> although were it me, i'd love to get some kind of home automation on the go
[11:27] <daftykins> DJones: that's pretty weird!
[11:27] <arsen> you all sold up in the portsmouth house yeah?
[11:28] <daftykins> arsen: yep i was over that time in late 2011/early 2012 fixing things up - then i think it sold around April
[11:28] <daftykins> then i kicked around back in Guernsey at my parents again - before finding a local place :)
[11:28] <DJones> daftykins: Yeah, it was something to do with a sensor that was supposed to touch the bladder/expansion & wasn't doing it for the hot water
[11:29] <daftykins> DJones: ah - more economical to replace rather than repair was it?
[11:29] <daftykins> that's what this guy is saying for mine, as apparently the whole unit has to come off the wall to replace the expansion vessel D:
[11:30] <DJones> Pretty much, old boiler was 10 years old & could have spent a couple of hundred on the repair because of obsolete parts for something else to go at any point, ended up getting my cousin to fit a new one for just over £1100
[11:30] <dvrr> hiiiii
[11:31] <DJones> Must say the remote is quite handy
[11:31] <arsen> need a ubuntu boiler.
[11:31] <daftykins> mmm same here, got a pretty old Vokera Linea 24 that the guy reckons is between 10 and 15
[11:33] <daftykins> arsen: been having fun and games upgrading the clients' Macbook Pro (mid 2010) to OS X 10.9
[11:33] <dvrr> MooDoo: haiiiii
[11:33] <MooDoo> dvrr: :D
[11:33] <daftykins> after which it can no longer use her time machine NAS
[11:34] <DJones> daftykins: We had a few quotes of around £1,500-£1,750 with remote control & a couple of radiator valves from local fitters, but as its my cousins trade, him & his mate did it in a couple of hours
[11:34] <arsen> I don't dislike OSX, the only thing i ever got annoyed by was the lack of encouragement to non-techys to close apps, so my gf ends up with every app under the sun running 24/7 and it slows down to a halt.
[11:35] <daftykins> DJones: nice :D i have mates in other trades but not gas reg'd plumbers sadly!
[11:35] <arsen> as predicted, my Wagas has arrived. lol.
[11:35] <daftykins> arsen: lol every time i need to restart my clients iMac she has about 10 word docs, 5 draft emails, a couple of powerpoint presentations and Outlook open >_<
[11:36] <arsen> exactly!
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> ex-windows users mostly, probably
[11:36] <daftykins> i just save everything to the desktop so she knows where it is ;x
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> who expect "I closed it so it's gone"
[11:36] <daftykins> nah Windows would be more obvious that something's still running
[11:37] <daftykins> you could close off docs but still have an indicator light beneath the dock icon for a prog
[11:37] <daftykins> (with OS X)
[11:37] <daftykins> but in this case it's docs too, all open just 'minimised'
[11:37] <dvrr> openvpn  windows 7 client   connection  i recived this problem  please resolve  open this url  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6529339/
[11:39] <daftykins> dvrr: "this problem" = ?
[11:39] <dvrr> yes
[11:39] <dvrr> Initialization Sequence Completed With Errors
[11:39] <daftykins> hmm looks fun
[11:40] <dvrr> i connected  in linux  client
[11:41] <SuperMatt> err mer gerd, waiting for this call from rackspace is just the worst
[11:41] <dvrr> daftykins: windows client i faced  this problem Initialization Sequence Completed With Errors  openvpn  but    linux client working
[11:42] <daftykins> dvrr: try disabling the Windows Firewall on the Windows client as a test
[11:43] <daftykins> SuperMatt: twiddling your thumbs watching the phone? :(
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Don't forget to brush up on your American language skills!
[11:43] <dvrr> yes  i disabled  window firewall  all same problem recived
[11:43] <diplo> What role have you applied for SuperMatt ?
[11:44] <foobarry> dvrr: is this for home or work?
[11:44] <MooDoo> diplo: some tech job at rackspace.....
[11:45] <SuperMatt> diplo: you don't apply for a role, you apply for the company and they put you where they think you'll do best
[11:45] <dvrr> work
[11:46] <diplo> Oh right, sounds my sort of place :)
[11:46] <SuperMatt> daftykins: pretty much so. It's so nerveracking
[11:46] <dvrr> foobarry: from fast 1 week i faced this problem  please
[11:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: did they say they will contact you today?
[11:46] <SuperMatt> today or monday
[11:46] <SuperMatt> which means I'm potentially in for an entire week of pain
[11:47] <SuperMatt> *weekend
[11:47] <MooDoo> ah just forget it, if they phone it will be a suprise
[11:47] <SuperMatt> it's hard to forget when it's bloomin rackspace!
[11:49] <foobarry> dvrr: not to be rude but i suggest you take it to your sysadmins at work who setup the vpn
[11:52] <dvrr> me only
[11:52] <dvrr> cerated openvpn
[12:08] <foobarry> i received an amazon delivery with correct address but the billing details were someone completely differnt :S
[12:08] <shauno> merry christmas foobarry
[12:09] <foobarry> lol
[12:09] <foobarry> it was something we ordered
[12:09] <foobarry> but if they put the wrong slip in mine, i wonder if all the packages got out of sync
[12:09] <foobarry> and 100s have that prob
[12:13] <daftykins> dvrr: even if you set it up, if you're at work - you are unlikely to be allowed to connect out without authorisation
[12:13] <daftykins> foobarry: that sounds nasty :S
[12:17] <daftykins> foobarry: did it have name, address and last 4 digits of their card?
[12:18] <foobarry> daftykins: invoice number, billing address, shipping address as some lady in leicester
[12:19] <foobarry> on christmas day i will mostly be sorting 10,000 hama beads into separate colours
[12:19] <daftykins> O_O
[12:19] <daftykins> foobarry: making necklaces?
[12:19] <foobarry> no, 8 bit mario and angry birds
[12:19] <daftykins> 8D
[12:20] <foobarry> my son hates the darth vader on angry birds, finds it scary, and then says daddy can we make the black robot from angry birds star wars?
[12:20] <foobarry> nutter
[12:20] <foobarry> we have mario, yoshi, and angry birds characters done so far
[12:22] <daftykins> :)
[12:22] <daftykins> maybe he wants a form of it he can attack
[12:23] <popey> foobarry: i had a similar issue one christmas when we got a box addressed to us, with someone elses presents in
[12:23] <daftykins> i made a space invader from small mosaic tiles off ebay
[12:23] <daftykins> popey: erk!
[12:23] <popey> we complained and they told us to keep them
[12:23] <popey> and they sent ours
[12:24] <daftykins> nothing of any great value then? :(
[12:26] <foobarry> wow
[12:26] <ali1234> foobarry: maybe the other person ordered the exact same thing?
[12:26] <foobarry> the address label was correct though
[12:26] <foobarry> they did order the same thing
[12:27] <foobarry> to: address on the front is OK, but inside label not OK
[12:33] <directhex> foobarry, hama seems an odd choice for vector characters like angry birds
[12:34] <directhex> no anti-aliasing with beads ;)
[12:36] <foobarry> just following orders...  :)
[12:39] <directhex> "no, son, angry birds sucks. let's do classic 16 bit characters like bubsy and plok and rolo the elephant!"
[12:39] <ali1234> hehehe
[12:40] <directhex> i only actually own one of those 3 games
[12:42] <foobarry> http://ubuntuone.com/6FxeaC1FFwyCCckBU7eDV3
[12:42] <foobarry> directhex:  ^^
[12:43] <directhex> u1. might take a few hours to load
[12:43] <ali1234> heh
[12:43] <foobarry> :(
[12:43] <ali1234> someone should make a 3d version of hama beads
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: can't you do layers?
[12:43] <foobarry> lok for hama tardis
[12:44] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: i dunno, but it can't be easy
[12:44] <foobarry> http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/317/c/9/hama_bead_tardis_by_lwordish-d5kwczc.jpg
[12:44] <ali1234> i'm imagining like lego then you bake it
[12:44] <foobarry> that involves layers and glue i think
[12:45] <ali1234> er... aren't you supposed to iron it to the holes close up?
[12:45] <foobarry> i do
[12:45] <foobarry> they didn't
[12:45] <foobarry> because i suspect they just glued them :P
[12:46] <foobarry> wow is u1 down or seomthing?
[12:46] <foobarry> super slow
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Glue
[12:47] <foobarry> holes in the space/time fabric
[12:50] <ali1234> imagine someone archaeologist digging this stuff up in 1000 years
[12:52] <directhex> foobarry, the craftsmanship is fine, but artistically i don't approve of using vector characters for pixel art :p
[12:53] <foobarry> time team 3000: "this was the work of a master craftsman"
[12:54] <ali1234> "the primitive people of 2000 worshipped a god known a 'murry-o'"
[12:54] <foobarry> directhex: we must all make sacrifices and compromise for our kids sometimes
[12:55] <foobarry> like watching baby jake
[12:57] <directhex> magic baby see
[12:57] <directhex> magic baby do
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> magic baby doo-doo
[12:58] <directhex> deezy deezy doo
[12:58] <directhex> there are worse shows than baby jake.
[12:59] <foobarry> yes, i draw a line at those
[12:59] <foobarry> worst one at the moment is one called the wiggles
[12:59] <MooDoo> baby jake is ace, we also watch peppa pig, in the night garden,
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> Parappa the Rapper?
[12:59] <MooDoo> foobarry: wiggles is ace :D dorothy the dinosaur :)
[12:59] <foobarry> abney and teal is the best
[13:00] <foobarry> MooDoo: my son chnaged his name to dorothy for a few days
[13:00] <MooDoo> lol
[13:00] <foobarry> i told him it was a girl dinosaurs name
[13:00] <foobarry> so he changed to grommit
[13:00] <foobarry> and didn't speak for the day
[13:01] <MooDoo> lol
[13:02] <MooDoo> swashbuckle is another good one my 5 year old loves that
[13:05] <bigcalm> Who has pinched my SGS3's ear buds?
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it wasn't me
[13:07] <bigcalm> Hummmm ¬,¬
[13:08] <directhex> i think dirt girl world is probably the worst show on cbeebies
[13:08] <directhex> and so is mike the knight
[13:08] <MooDoo> love them both lol
[13:08] <MooDoo> nina and the neurons is ace too :D
[13:08] <arsen> why are you watching dirt girl world directhex ? :D
[13:08] <directhex> MooDoo, nina <3
[13:09] <MooDoo> directhex: she's mine
[13:09] <arsen> speaking of cartoons, havent watched any modern toss for ages.
[13:09] <directhex> arsen, because it's on tv?
[13:09] <arsen> oh you're at home? :D
[13:09] <directhex> MooDoo, nope. i called shotgun on all adult females with pigtails. it's the law.
[13:09] <MooDoo> directhex: pah! no fair...
[13:09] <directhex> arsen, it's on on sunday mornings, as it happens
[13:09] <directhex> MooDoo, see also josie jump from balamory
[13:10] <MooDoo> directhex: what about rebecca from lets play
[13:10] <directhex> an expert in role-play...
[13:11] <directhex> although i've only laid claim to her at specific times, e.g. when sid was playing a cowboy.
[13:12] <directhex> perversions aside, i reckon the best shows on cbeebies are sarah & duck, abney & teal, and tinga tinga tales
[13:12] <MooDoo> what's sad is that yu carry on watching them when you've put your kids to bed ;)
[13:13] <directhex> nope, because cbeebies ends at 7pm, and nathan goes to bed at 7:20
[13:13] <MooDoo> ah my lad goes at 7:30 but he'll play minecraft till then
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> directhex: so he gets 20 minutes of BBC Three? ;)
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> "Sun, Sex & Suspicious Parents"
[13:14] <MooDoo> that's an aweful show
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: most of BBC3 is
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> except for the Doctor Who and Sherlock reruns ;)
[13:15] <MooDoo> :D
[13:15] <MooDoo> sherlock o/
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: apparently, new episodes start January 1st!
[13:15] <directhex> MooDoo, 18 month old. bad at minecraft. enjoys super hexagon though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBFgsFeZCgU
[13:16] <directhex> MartijnVdS, 7pm means bathtime. then book then bed. no bbc3
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Also, bbc3, not really age-appropriate for 18 months I guess
[13:16] <arsen> didn't know you had a youngen, directhex :)
[13:17] <directhex> protip for new parents: babies don't like lullabies, they like progressive house. buy your toddler some deadmau5 today!
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> directhex: not old-school techno!?
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> ls
[13:19] <directhex> MartijnVdS, anything as long as it's not dubstep, really
[13:19] <directhex> see also https://twitter.com/EpicGames/status/225033092098818049
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> directhex: my mother used to turn on the vacuum cleaner to make me sleep
[13:19] <directhex> MartijnVdS, that's an old one
[13:19] <directhex> same reason, of course
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Epic Games? Did they drop the "Mega"?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> oh.. they did. in 1999
[13:20] <directhex> for younger yoof, plug your smartphone into the wall and run http://www.ipnossoft.com/project/relax-melodies/
[13:20] <directhex> recommended white noise app.
[13:20] <foobarry> we watch bagpuss, button moon and  postman pat/bob/abney mostly
[13:23] <directhex> abney & teal feels french to me. dunno why. it's made in stratford
[13:24] <directhex> same company as teletubbies, brum, pob, rosie & jim, ITNG
[13:33] <arsen> brum! rosie and jim!
[13:33] <arsen> <3 childhood.
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> "Ow my childhood!"
[13:45] <Adriannom> how do i change the seconds hand on the system clock?
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: change it to what?
[13:45] <MooDoo> you have to do the whole lot it's easier
[13:46] <Adriannom> sure, but how do i change it so that i have control over the seconds
[13:46] <MooDoo> you just set it something like this date -s "2 OCT 2006 18:00:00"
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: if you install the "ntp" package, it's synchronized to reference clocks all over the world
[13:46] <MooDoo> for exampple
[13:46] <Adriannom> nice one, cheers :)
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> you should never need to set the clock yourself
[13:46] <Adriannom> MartijnVdS, nah i need to manually sync with something
[13:46] <MooDoo> ^^^^ what MartijnVdS said :)
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: ah, you're in the TARDIS then?
[13:47] <Adriannom> lol
[13:47] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: you know it's bigger on the inside?
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: that's what.. never mind.
[13:47] <MooDoo> lol
[13:47] <bashrc> yep, ntp is super
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> One of the things i want to do with my Pi
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> figure out NTP Reference clocks/GPS stuff :)
[13:48] <Adriannom> i'm calculating stuff from hand histories from pokerstars, and the only way i can figure out to work it is to sync my time with theirs. it's a bit flakey actually, wish there was a better way
[13:49] <Adriannom> thought you meant time travel then
[13:49] <Adriannom> dunno if the pi is powerful enough
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: people have done it, using the serial port pins and a GPS from a place like adafruit
[13:52] <Adriannom> time travel?
[13:52] <Adriannom> awesome
[13:52] <Adriannom> link?
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: no, GPS stuff 8-)
[13:52] <Adriannom> ;)
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html
[13:53] <Adriannom> got two pis running xbmc. i need something similar but more powerful as a kitchen pc though :)
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: Intel NUC
[13:53] <Adriannom> thanks, i'll look
[13:55] <Adriannom> nice low power consumption, looks pretty good
[13:55] <Adriannom> have you got one MartijnVdS ?
[13:56] <ali1234> seriously tho, why d you need to sync your clock with theirs?
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: I have one in use as a "2 video streams an a refreshing TODO list" screen
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: it's like an ultrabook in a different form factor
[13:57] <daftykins> omg my shower is now so powerful the force of the spray makes it swing upward XD
[13:57] <Adriannom> ali1234, because i need to calculate when the big blind goes up in a sng so i can calculate my relative stack size accurately with a script. i just can't do the maths quick enough in my head for turbo tourneys :o
[13:58] <ali1234> oh so you are calculating based on the current game in progress? fair enough then
[13:58] <Adriannom> yeah
[13:58] <daftykins> there was another board that seems to have more beans than the r-pi and isn't far off price wise
[13:58] <ali1234> beagle bone?
[13:58] <daftykins> nah
[13:59] <ali1234> well it fits the description
[13:59] <daftykins> one was the cubieboard i think which even has a SATA port, but i was really thinking of yet another
[13:59] <Adriannom> MartijnVdS, how do you mean? is it running x and a brower?
[13:59] <Adriannom> *browser
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: it's running X, 2 VLCs and a browser with some customizations, yes
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: but it's way overpowered for what I'm doing with it :)
[14:00] <Adriannom> how's the multi tabs / flash performance?
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: It's an Intel CPU/GPU, so it's fine. Especially if you get the i5 or i7 one
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: you'll have to find an affordable mSATA SSD though, and for wifi a mini-pcie wifi card
[14:01] <daftykins> are you talking about NUCs still?
[14:01] <Adriannom> don't need wifi, and i could run the os off usb/sd
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I am
[14:02] <daftykins> i've read that the haswell NUCs still have major issues with XBMC, fwiw
[14:02] <daftykins> read/been told
[14:02] <Adriannom> nice to see a gigabit card in there
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: sure, but an usb thing sticking out of it looks ugly :)
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: and a 30GB mSATA SSD is only a few £
[14:04] <directhex> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002Z9RYSA/
[14:04] <Adriannom> lol
[14:17] <foobarry> what dpi should i scan a 6x4 photo at for good repro?
[14:19] <foobarry> i suspect they have been scanned themselves so will go for 600 dpi
[14:28] <davmor2> foobarry: The dpi only matters with what you are doing with it, if you intend to edit it and play about with it then higher is better, if it is to post online the lower is fine :)
[14:29] <foobarry> davmor2: its a b/w photo to print 6x4 copies of
[14:30] <davmor2> foobarry: 600 should be fine then, if you find it's missing detail on the first print rescan at a high rate
[14:31] <foobarry> ta
[14:31] <foobarry> now to learn colourisation :S
[15:46] <bigcalm> Are the nvidia binary drivers usable with 13.10 yet? I dare not install them because it means an OS reinstall when the system gets trashed
[15:48] <SuperMatt> I've never had to reinstall after a messed up binary install
[15:48] <SuperMatt> but why not use the nvidia drivers in the repos?
[15:48] <bigcalm> I did. They stopped the machine from booting
[15:49] <bigcalm> I might try at the weekend with a fresh install on a spare HDD
[15:54] <SuperMatt> if they stopped the machine from booting, I don't think you'll have much luck with the nvidia binaries
[15:55] <bigcalm> Eh?
[15:56] <bigcalm> The additional drivers available without having to use a PPA gave me trouble
[15:56] <SuperMatt> well, there's not really much different between what's in the repo, and what you get from the nvidia binaries
[16:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: all you have to do is boot into safe mode and do sudo apt-get purge nvidia-version_number and the binary is removed and you are back to the default nouveau driver
[16:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: in doing so I then ended up with error boxes upon logging into unity
[16:03] <bigcalm> Like the ones I showed you on my laptop
[16:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: you'll get them anyway :P
[16:03] <daftykins> the sunlight over Sark looked good just now
[16:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/v8zm7503ipadgd9/IMG_20131206_154404.jpg
[16:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: nope, not seen any yet on this install
[16:30] <DJones> Hmmh, have to laugh at this http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/125647-teen-buys-450-xbox-one-on-ebay-and-only-receives-photo-of-console
[16:32] <DJones> Even worse, a 19 year old buying an xbox for his 4 year old kid......so that would make him 15 when the kid was born, take off 9 months, could almost be 14 getting his partner pregnant
[16:35] <SuperMatt> I'm sickened more that society has failed him, more than anything.
[16:36] <SuperMatt> no doubt the root of the issue is that he probably had nothing better to be doing at the time
[16:36] <SuperMatt> which is what all my friends who lost their virginity at an early age said
[16:36] <SuperMatt> some of them though had the sense to make sure they didn't get pregnant
[16:42] <bashrc> I don't really take a strong view on the topic of at what age people should become parents
[16:43] <bashrc> it seems to me that there is never really a "right time" to have offspring
[16:44] <daftykins> financial stability can be for their benefit though
[16:45] <daftykins> as well as maturity
[16:46] <bashrc> its always possible to find reasons not to have children - too young, too old, to poor, too busy, etc
[17:12] <foobarry> if the kid had an xbox at 14, would he have got the girl pregnant?
[17:12] <foobarry> probably unrelated
[17:12] <daftykins> XD
[17:13] <foobarry> certain estranged family member sold his for a pittance to pay off frivilous debts
[17:13] <daftykins> debts at a young age?
[17:13] <foobarry> drug related most likely
[17:14] <foobarry> "debt"= owes mates 50 quid
[17:16] <foobarry> mummy and child are curled up under blanket watching snowman and snowdog
[17:16] <daftykins> ^_^ how old's your little one?
[17:16] <foobarry> makes me wish my chrimstas holidays had started
[17:16] <foobarry> 3, nearly 4
[17:16] <foobarry> got a v little on etoo at 8 months
[17:16] <daftykins> ooh :)
[17:17] <foobarry> 3yr old is arguing whether they are going to south or north pole
[17:19] <daftykins> i have no idea - what age is it they tend to start talking?
[17:19] <foobarry> 9 months is MAMA
[17:19] <foobarry> between 2-3 years they start sentences
[17:20] <daftykins> wowzer
[17:20] <foobarry> at 3-4 they say words like condensation, wonderful, astounding in regular use
[17:20] <foobarry> but still get past tense wrong a bit
[17:20] <foobarry> i bringed , i singed ,
[17:21] <daftykins> :)
[17:21] <JamesTait> Instead of I brought and I sought. :-P
[17:22] <JamesTait> Hm, maybe I brung and I sung?
[17:22] <daftykins> i think my jaw would drop to the floor upon hearing a 3 year old with a polysyllabic vocabulary
[17:22] <foobarry> kids can remember it all though
[17:22] <daftykins> possibly start imagining they're a child genius
[17:22] <JamesTait> They have brains like sponges.
[17:22] <foobarry> most 3yr olds can probably memorise a dinosaur encyclopaedia
[17:23] <JamesTait> My jaw frequently drops to the floor with the things my boys come out with.
[17:23] <daftykins> it would probably pay to have a good choice of material on hand to educate them with by feeding that sponge with a good variety :D
[17:23] <daftykins> JamesTait: any examples? :)
[17:23] <JamesTait> You think they're not listening, then they say something astounding and I wonder where the heck it came from.
[17:25] <foobarry> i had a convo about where water goes when you flush it
[17:26] <foobarry> hadto explain the sewage system
[17:26] <JamesTait> I remember the one time my then-6-year-old son navigated the way to a park he'd last been to when he was 3.  He tried initially to tell me which park he meant (he called it "Micky's park" - it was the park that backed onto the garden of one of my wife's clients, Vicky), but when I didn't know where he meant, he told me how to drive there.
[17:26] <foobarry> and show him the water treatment works 3 miles away
[17:26] <daftykins> JamesTait: O_O
[17:26] <foobarry> i regularly ask my son to direct me, he has his mums sense of direction
[17:26] <daftykins> i never watched wher were were driving as a kid
[17:26] <daftykins> *where we were
[17:26] <JamesTait> I had him in the front passenger seat, in his car seat, and he told me when to turn and everything.
[17:26] <daftykins> weird SSH lark going on today
[17:27] <daftykins> lol
[17:27] <daftykins> that sounds like something from a comedy D:
[17:28] <foobarry> think i've mention that my son has memorised all the books of the bible, in order
[17:28] <foobarry> i had to memorise it so I didn't lose respect
[17:28] <daftykins> hehe
[17:29] <JamesTait> The other night, I forget what we were doing, one of us made reference to "the three dots" - and he said "you mean the ellipsis".  I don't think I knew what that was called until I got to University! :-P
[17:29] <foobarry> lol
[17:29] <foobarry> i learned that when postfix was truncating email sent with an ellipsis
[17:30] <daftykins> O_O
[17:30] <foobarry> at 30 something
[17:30] <daftykins> JamesTait: that sounds like an effective school ;)
[17:32] <JamesTait> There are countless other examples - some where he's come out with stuff he's picked up at school, but others where I've asked, "Where did you learn that?" and he says, "You told me!" and it just reminds me to keep explaining things, even if it seems like he's not interested or not listening.
[17:33] <foobarry> i keep testing my son for aspergers
[17:33] <foobarry> subtley
[17:33] <foobarry> not sure if all kids are the same or not
[17:33] <JamesTait> I'm saying "he" because both examples I've given were from the same son, but the younger one is the same.  In fact, he's probably even more impressive with some of the things he comes out with.
[17:35] <JamesTait> Who was it who said we're all different, but we're all the same, or something similar?
[17:41] <daftykins> that drunk fella down the pub? ;)
[17:42] <foobarry> has anyone colourised a b/w photo before?
[17:44] <foobarry> not sure whether to fix contrast issues and cleanup before or after colourising
[19:09] <ali1234> foobarry: what software are you using
[19:10] <ali1234> you should use an adjustment layer for the contrast, then you're not doing it before or after, but both
[19:18] <foobarry> ali1234: gimp
[19:19] <ali1234> oh
[19:19] <ali1234> well, god luck with that
[19:19] <foobarry> there's blemishes etc on it too
[19:19] <ali1234> you have almost no non-destructive editing capability
[19:19] <foobarry> i'm following this http://tutorialgeek.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/use-gimp-to-create-color-photos-from.html
[19:21] <ali1234> yeah, "make a copy of layers so you can go back"
[19:22] <ali1234> this is why gimp sucks
[19:23] <foobarry> i'll manage
[19:25] <foobarry> bit unsure about colour of caucasaian skin
[20:07] <daftykins> wow Microsoft really did it with Windows 8
[20:08] <daftykins> even dumping the key inside the EFI with Linux gets rejected for trying to obtain a 'Windows 8' (non-Pro) ISO
[20:08] <daftykins> "This product key cannot be used to install a retail version of Windows 8"
[20:20] <ali1234> well it can't...
[20:20] <daftykins> yeah thanks ali1234
[20:21] <daftykins> very helpful :P
[20:21] <ali1234> get the OEM ISO, assuming they still exist
[20:21] <daftykins> yeah i tried changing the ei.cfg on a Pro ISO to start, didn't realise you can't do that
[20:22] <daftykins> so i'm having to use other channels to obtain an 8.1 Core edition ISO
[20:22] <ali1234> directhex probably knows how to do it
[20:22] <daftykins> i'll get there :)
[20:22] <daftykins> it's just worse than ever
[20:23] <ali1234> btw, it's been this way since windows 7
[20:23] <ali1234> probably XP
[20:23] <directhex> 7 was laid back about keys and isos
[20:24] <directhex> you could download from publically available urls
[20:24] <ali1234> yeah, but you still had to have the right one for whatever was in your bios
[20:25] <daftykins> no it hasn't been like this with 7
[20:25] <daftykins> 7 is COMPLETELY different
[20:26] <daftykins> no there weren't keys in the BIOS for 7 IME
[20:26] <ali1234> well, there was for XP
[20:26] <daftykins> maybe i just didn't see any EFI'd 7's though
[20:26] <daftykins> no XP was easy too
[20:26] <ali1234> 7 does not support EFI
[20:26] <daftykins> VL, Home and Pro ISOs
[20:26] <daftykins> appropriate key = sorted
[20:26] <daftykins> yes it does support EFI
[20:26] <ali1234> oh yeah. it doesn't support secure boot
[20:27] <ali1234> anyway, all dell machines sold in the past 10 years have the real key in the bios. the key on the label won't work with a retail ISO
[20:28] <directhex> 7 supports efi.
[20:28] <directhex> windows vista x64 sp1 onwards do.
[20:28] <ali1234> (and nor will the one from the bios if you dump it)
[20:28] <daftykins> also not true i'm afraid, i reinstaled my clients new Dell systems with the key on their COA stickers
[20:28] <daftykins> *reinstalled
[20:28] <directhex> also windows for itanium totally supports efi :D
[20:29] <ali1234> and then 2 months later they suddenly got "this copy of windows is not genuine"
[20:30] <ali1234> either that or you didn't use a retail install cd, you used the dell one which automatically picked up the real key from the bios
[20:30] <daftykins> it was a vanilla win7 ISO from digital river
[20:30] <directhex> MSDM tables are supported in Vista onwards too
[20:31] <directhex> and SLIC
[20:32] <daftykins> in fact i think i was doing a win8 downgrade
[20:34] <ali1234> i guess 7 ws more relaxed then
[20:35] <ali1234> that didn't work with XP, i have a dell machine right here where it doesn't work
[20:36] <daftykins> XP really depended on what media you had
[20:36] <daftykins> volume license, Pro or Home
[20:36] <daftykins> it didn't care across service packs either
[20:41] <directhex> xp was a very different beast to 7, as far as how lenient it was over media goes


[00:02] <deactivated> i'm trying to debug an apparent scheduler problem with 2.6.32-33-generic. the symptoms: CFS exec_clock has stopped updating. exec_clock on CPU 0 is approx. 1000x larger than the uptime. /proc/[pid]/stat/utime has stopped updating. /proc/[pid]/sched/sum_exec_runtime is zero. has anyone seen something like this?
[13:25] <bmoez_> what version of kernel will be used in ubuntu 12.04 ?
[14:36] <popey> bmoez_: 3.2
[14:42] <bmoez_> popey: i'm testing ubuntu 12.04 and it's with linux 3.2.0.* versions, but, linux 3.2.6 is more better (and stable) and installig it from unofficial packages may cause some problems. why it will not be used?
[14:43] <bmoez_> ubuntu 12.04 is lts
[14:43] <popey> We test a specific kernel version but do backport stuff from newer kernels if that's useful/appropriate


[00:15] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: thanks for dropping by, we added twitter, G+ and a more active blog this cycle, but my brain managed to completely forget to ask for contributors on the forums (in spite of all the work we've done together this cycle!)
[00:16] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: we saw the tweets, ubuntu +1 will help
[00:16]  * pleia2 nods
[00:17] <pleia2> I should think through some kind of "tell all these resources about our stuff" document so I don't lose track
[00:17] <pleia2> blog, twitter, G+, xubuntu-devel, forums +1..
[00:17] <GridCube> pleia2, we could like make a checklist :P
[00:18] <pleia2> GridCube: yeah
[00:18] <pleia2> I did that for the loco teams I was part of, muy helpful
[00:19] <GridCube> lol muy
[00:19] <pleia2> :)
[08:21] <knome> pleia2, what do you think of getting https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-website deleted and https://launchpad.net/xubuntu-website-wordpress renamed to that
[08:22] <knome> pleia2, currently, we are getting all the bugs reported against the old product
[08:22] <knome> pleia2, the old product has pretty much nothing important, and if we for some reason want to save the code, we can just register a new series in the new website product and push it there
[08:32] <knome> pleia2, also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/XubuntuOld
[14:08] <leo-unglaub> hi
[14:08] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: in the current 12.04 is the icon for the clipman tool mission
[14:08] <leo-unglaub> just so you know
[15:50] <pleia2> knome: maybe start out by putting a note on xubuntu-website saying it's the wrong one? I fear I've been using xubuntu-website too, and should be telling people to use xubuntu-website-wordpress
[15:52] <astraljava> Hmm... anyone else experiencing increasing CPU hogging of Xorg when operating a laptop on battery power?
[16:02] <astraljava> ...and it seems all other processes are bogged down simultaneously.
[16:02] <astraljava> Wonder if there's something weird with the power management.
[16:54] <meerkats> will there be a xubuntu 12.04 64 bits in a motnh time? If I choose xubuntu, will I still be able to use libreoffice?
[17:11] <astraljava> meerkats: Yes of course. Please use #[x]ubuntu+1 for support questions on devel releases.
[17:24] <meerkats> i was looking for that channel astraljava
[17:24] <meerkats> astraljava, its empty
[17:24] <meerkats> z/join #[x]ubuntu+1
[17:25] <astraljava> meerkats: Either #ubuntu+1, or #xubuntu+1, sorry for being brief (and overly technical).
[17:25] <meerkats> no worries
[17:26]  * astraljava is a tad busy at the moment...
[17:26] <astraljava> What with the beta-2 release verifications and all.
[17:26] <meerkats> z/join #xubuntu+1 empty too
[17:26] <astraljava> Hmmm... I thought we had that channel. Well, then there's #ubuntu+1 for sure.
[17:40] <knome> pleia2, well, it's not a problem to move the bugs (it's not a huge load we get), but i was thinking if we actually need xubuntu-website at all.
[17:43] <meerkats> dont you need it for noobds like me?
[17:43] <meerkats> Ill have to download the .iso from there
[17:43] <meerkats> i guess
[17:44] <knome> #xubuntu+1 would not have that much traffic so no reason to have one
[17:45] <knome> pleia2, when you are back online, could you ping me?
[17:45] <meerkats> hehe, yes
[17:45] <meerkats> but thats a channel, not a website
[17:45] <knome> yes
[17:45] <pleia2> knome: am back, but first day back to work after a week of being out, I'll be slow to respond
[17:46] <knome> pleia2, mmh. will you have any faster-response time? :)
[17:46] <astraljava> argh... times like these, I really, really, absolutely detest and loath computers.
[17:47] <knome> pleia2, first of all, could you go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/XubuntuOld ?
[17:47] <knome> pleia2, those are pages that i didn't want to delete right away
[17:47] <knome> pleia2, there isn't anything important, but i want to make sure you don't think there is something to save for archival purposes
[17:48] <knome> pleia2, i've also updated http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[17:48] <knome> pleia2, as well as the marketing subpage there
[17:51] <pleia2> aw, no more pretty pictures on contribute page!
[17:52] <knome> hah
[17:52] <pleia2> thanks, I'll have a closer look this evening
[17:52] <knome> mrrh :)
[17:52] <knome> well, i'm planning to eventually add some pictures back to the contribute page
[17:52] <pleia2> :)
[17:52] <knome> but as less obtrusive versions
[17:52] <pleia2> yeah
[17:52] <pleia2> I want a testing logo, with a mouse doing tests
[17:52] <knome> hah
[17:52] <knome> will you draw one? :P
[17:53] <pleia2> lol
[17:53]  * knome will fix the headers so we can use <h1> in blog posts
[17:54] <astraljava> Yay!
[18:55] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Hi
[18:55] <knome> hello
[19:11] <pleia2> knome: our release post draft lists the updates twice, shall we chop off the ones at the end of the post?
[19:24] <knome> pleia2, yes, if that's what it does. must be some kind of pasting error or sth
[20:33] <nonau> Has beta 2 officially been released?  I'm looking forward to taking it for a spin later.
[20:34] <pleia2> not yet
[20:34] <nonau> Irregardless, congrats to the developers for their hard work.
[20:42] <knome> nonau, thanks
[20:43] <knome> pleia2, will you have any block of time today to really get into the wiki/website stuff?
[20:43] <knome> pleia2, if yes, would that possibly be in the next few hours?
[20:44] <pleia2> knome: not until tonight my time :( I have work for another 3 hours, then a dr appt
[20:45] <knome> pleia2, awwh :(
[20:49] <baizon> will install beta 2 tomorrow :)
[20:52]  * astraljava is still behind on some mandatory test cases, life is a tricky thing, it happens...
[21:05] <knome> pleia2, beta2 announcement up
[21:07] <pleia2> :D
[21:07]  * pleia2 working on fridge post for regular ubuntu
[21:08] <pleia2> just in time for my lunch break, thanks skaet :D
[21:08] <knome> pleia2, psst, she's lurking in this channel too ;)
[21:08] <skaet> :)
[21:09] <pleia2> good timing
[21:09] <knome> well, i was working on the website, so yeah...
[21:12] <astraljava> Well, didn't quite make them all in time, but I assume overall the beta-2 images received enough testing, even if the last round didn't have them all done.
[21:12] <knome> well, skaet didn't even poke us this time, like with beta1 :))
[21:13] <astraljava> Heheh. :)
[21:13] <skaet> :)
[21:23] <pleia2> knome: want me to do twitter?
[21:24] <knome> pleia2, ah, i forgot that. please go ahead if you have some free time :)
[21:24] <pleia2> k
[21:24] <pleia2> (doing g+ now, so might as well :))
[21:25] <knome> great
[21:27] <pleia2> oh, I need to update our planet mouse
[21:27] <knome> heh
[21:27] <knome> true
[21:27] <pleia2> which to use for http://planet.ubuntu.com/heads/xubuntu.png
[21:27] <pleia2> small?
[21:28] <knome> what's the size it appears?
[21:28] <pleia2> 100x100, so the larger one
[21:28] <knome> right, yeah, small
[21:28] <pleia2> oh small
[21:28] <knome> no
[21:28] <knome> hehe
[21:28] <pleia2> :)
[21:28] <knome> http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[21:28] <pleia2> ah, it shrinks it
[21:28] <knome> it doesn't appear as big as the uploaded file
[21:28] <knome> yup
[21:28] <pleia2> 56x56
[21:29] <astraljava> Thanks to everyone who helped testing the beta-2 images!
[21:29] <knome> pleia2, yup, small. whenever the picmark part is 64px or less, it's small
[21:30]  * pleia2 nods
[21:30] <pleia2> thanks
[21:30] <knome> pleia2, that means about 80px if you are using the whole logo
[21:30] <knome> (in height)
[21:30] <knome> np
[21:30] <knome> that's documented in the marketing resources -page too :)
[21:30] <pleia2> yeah I just forgot
[21:31] <knome> hihi
[22:00] <knome> pleia2, ?
[22:03] <pleia2> hm?
[22:03] <knome> pleia2, do you know the exact details why the xubuntu-testers LP team is moderated?
[22:03] <pleia2> knome: not a clue
[22:04] <knome> i understand that people are required to add their testing machines in the wiki
[22:04] <pleia2> that may be the only reason
[22:04] <knome> but looking at the wiki page and comparing it to the testers team... that doesn't really match
[22:04] <pleia2> yeah :\
[22:04] <pleia2> planet has our new logo now
[22:05] <knome> thanks
[22:05] <knome> hahah
[22:05] <knome> hmm
[22:05] <knome> LP says:
[22:06] <knome> please add yourself in the wiki, then apply
[22:06] <knome> wiki says:
[22:06] <knome> please join the team, then add yourself in the wiki
[22:06] <knome> confusing??
[22:06] <pleia2> nice
[22:06] <knome> should the team be more inclusive, or exclusive?
[22:06] <knome> i mean, the options are:
[22:06] <knome> ADD THE DAMN INFORMATION (and you will get approved)
[22:06] <knome> or
[22:07] <knome> we don't actually care if you add the information, just join
[22:51] <knome> uh oh! http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ reviewed and almost completely rewritten
[22:54] <ochosi> gah
[22:55] <astraljava> knome: I'll be reading it through with thought later, my brain is fried for a couple of tens of hours right now. :)
[22:56] <knome> astraljava, heh:)
[22:57] <Pandarific> beta 2 manual install so far so good
[22:57] <knome> fried with alcohol?
[22:57]  * knome shakes head
[22:58] <astraljava> No, just had a glass of wine at Jussi's last night.
[22:59] <astraljava> These other new... personal life things.
[22:59] <knome> damn, that must've been poisonous at least
[22:59] <astraljava> Oh, it was rather good, in fact. Santa Helena, from Chile.
[22:59] <knome> still, i don't know anything about wine
[23:00] <astraljava> Well then all I can say is it's certainly much less poisonous than your Ron Zacapa. :)
[23:01]  * knome doubts that
[23:01] <knome> ron zacapa is what is keeping as fit as i am!!!
[23:01] <knome> +me
[23:01]  * astraljava rolls eyes, and swallows the few select words about to fall off from his mouth...
[23:01] <knome> forget the few typos caused by it, otherwise i'm healthy as a young gazelle!
[23:03] <astraljava> You know, I'm pretty sure there are handicapped young gazelles out there. Not for long, but still, at any given time.
[23:03] <knome> hehe
[23:03] <knome> are you calling me handicapped now??
[23:04] <astraljava> I don't know what gave you that idea.
[23:04] <astraljava> *blink* *blink*
[23:04] <knome> i might be not the most fit gazelle in the fields, but i'm not handicapped either.
[23:04] <knome> i'm rum capped.
[23:05]  * astraljava reaches over to cap knome's rum bottle
[23:05] <knome> it IS capped
[23:05] <knome> do you think i'd leave it uncapped? it'd attract all kind of flying buzzers and eventually, lose all the alc. vol % !!
[23:05] <astraljava> Whee! A Bruins game is about to start.
[23:06] <knome> haha
[23:06] <astraljava> Flying buzzers like astraljavas and the like?
[23:06] <knome> conga-rats
[23:06] <knome> mm, probably.
[23:06] <knome> especially those you find sleeping on the couch in the morning
[23:07] <astraljava> It only happened once (so far)!
[23:08] <knome> heh
[23:08]  * knome is happy he kept the rum bottle capped, though
[23:09] <astraljava> Yeah, it's just sane practice.


[00:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sway (impish-proposed/universe) [1.5.1-2 => 1.5.1-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[00:55] <JustALawnGnome7> Hey all, I just installed Ubuntu 21.10 on both my home laptop and desktop. Has anybody else running Ubuntu 21.10 noticed that "Show Applications" (generally referred to as the START button) isn't clickable when their cursor is positioned on the bottom left-most pixel on their screen?
[02:03] <vorlon> JustALawnGnome7: not reproducible for me, I think you should file a bug on gnome-shell
[02:39] <bdmurray> vorlon: There is a bug about it
[02:40] <vorlon> ok
[02:42] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1942702
[07:44] <toabctl> jchittum, vorlon I'll handle dockerhub impish images now.
[10:47] <jamespage> sil2100: let me know how you want to handle the zero-day SRU for OVN
[10:47] <jamespage> I've not uploaded it yet
[11:06] <juliank> isn't it a 1-day SRU now /s
[11:06] <tjaalton> impish isn't open for sru's yet, it seems
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected gnome-connections [riscv64] (impish-proposed) [41.0-1]
[11:51] <sil2100> We're working on archive opening right now
[11:52] <sil2100> jamespage: hey! GUess you can upload it to the impish queue, we'll try to take it in later
[12:04] <jamespage> sil2100: thanks
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ovn (impish-proposed/main) [21.09.0~git20210922.6549e5842-0ubuntu1 => 21.09.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[12:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: 7807 entries have been added or removed
[12:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: base-files (jammy-proposed/main) [11.1ubuntu5 => 12ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[12:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debootstrap (jammy-proposed/main) [1.0.124 => 1.0.124ubuntu1] (desktop-core)
[12:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: distro-info-data (jammy-proposed/main) [0.51ubuntu1 => 0.51ubuntu2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[12:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lasi (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.1.0-2ubuntu2 => 1.1.0-2ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debootstrap (focal-proposed/main) [1.0.118ubuntu1.4 => 1.0.118ubuntu1.5] (core)
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debootstrap (impish-proposed/main) [1.0.124 => 1.0.124ubuntu0.1] (desktop-core)
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debootstrap (hirsute-proposed/main) [1.0.123ubuntu6 => 1.0.123ubuntu6.1] (desktop-core)
[12:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debootstrap (bionic-proposed/main) [1.0.95ubuntu0.9 => 1.0.95ubuntu0.10] (core)
[12:39] <jamespage> sil2100: uploaded and ready for your review
[12:41] <coreycb> sil2100: thanks sil2100! that's got a major fix for openstack xena deployments.
[12:49] <tumbleweed> aha, I see a name
[12:51] <sil2100> jamespage, coreycb: thanks o/
[12:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: distro-info-data (bionic-proposed/main) [0.37ubuntu0.12 => 0.37ubuntu0.13] (core)
[12:51] <sil2100> Okay, distro-info-data and debootstrap uploaded across the board, waiting for when we can accept jammy uploads
[12:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: distro-info-data (focal-proposed/main) [0.43ubuntu1.8 => 0.43ubuntu1.9] (core, i386-whitelist)
[12:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: distro-info-data (impish-proposed/main) [0.51ubuntu1 => 0.51ubuntu1.1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: distro-info-data (hirsute-proposed/main) [0.46ubuntu4.2 => 0.46ubuntu4.3] (core, i386-whitelist)
[12:54] <tumbleweed> thanks sil2100, I'll apply that in Debian
[12:56] <coreycb> sil2100: by any chance could we get sahara-plugin-spark accepted into impish-updates? it's still in proposed because it needed it's build re-triggered really late in the cycle.
[12:58] <coreycb> doko_: I noticed a few packages that are still in impish-proposed that were rebuilt with zstd compression. they've crept into the cloud archive so I'm wondering if the plan is to get them into impish-updates. They are python-psutuil, python-cryptography, and python-msgpack.
[13:01] <sil2100> coreycb: by principle we do not plan on getting the no-change rebuilds into impish-updates without any solid reason, since there's a lot of those packages and updating them doesn't fit SRU policy (+ we'd generate a LOT of traffic for users for no reason)
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: distro-info-data (bionic-proposed/main) [0.37ubuntu0.12 => 0.37ubuntu0.13] (core)
[13:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: distro-info-data (focal-proposed/main) [0.43ubuntu1.8 => 0.43ubuntu1.9] (core, i386-whitelist)
[13:02] <sil2100> But we'll be leaving them in impish-proposed for now and discuss what do to maybe somewhen next week, as I'd like to hear the opinion of other SRU members
[13:02] <sil2100> coreycb: if those make sense to get into -updates for some reason, I guess it's negotiable
[13:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gsmlib (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.10+20120414.gita5e5ae9a-0.3ubuntu1 => 1.10+20120414.gita5e5ae9a-0.5] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:05] <sil2100> vorlon, bdmurray: hey, do you know why ubuntu.csv differs between bionic,focal and hirsute,impish?
[13:06] <sil2100> The dates are a bit different for many of the old series in focal and below
[13:06] <sil2100> apw: ^ do you know by any chance?
[13:06] <coreycb> sil2100: ok thanks. I don't know much on the back story to argue one way or the other. I just noticed the cloud archive was out of sync.
[13:10] <sil2100> coreycb: can you bring that up with vorlon once he's around?
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: docker.io (jammy-proposed/universe) [20.10.7-0ubuntu5 => 20.10.7-0ubuntu6] (no packageset)
[13:11] <coreycb> sil2100: sounds good
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cdbs (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.4.163ubuntu1 => 0.4.163ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist)
[13:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: checkinstall (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.6.2+git20170426.d24a630-2ubuntu1 => 1.6.2+git20170426.d24a630-2ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[13:36] <sil2100> jchittum: hey!
[13:36] <jchittum> sil2100 : hello
[13:37] <sil2100> jchittum: ...we will need the CPC team's services for the new release opening, I think cjwatson will reach out to you on MM re: that
[13:37] <jchittum> yep, i see it. We will also need `distro-info` updated for jammy to get our builds going
[13:38] <sil2100> jchittum: I think for now what cjwatson recommended is just getting updated impish ones
[13:39] <orndorffgrant> Thanks vorlon - I'm taking a look at your question on  LP: #1942929. That nesting could definitely be simpler - I need to double check why we put the extra checks as well as if the "deb-systemd-helper disable" will work (the enable was on purpose and we tried to explain in the comment above it). After I finish double-checking/testing I'll respond there with more detail.
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted base-files [source] (jammy-proposed) [12ubuntu1]
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted distro-info-data [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.51ubuntu2]
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debootstrap [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.0.124ubuntu1]
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: knot (jammy-proposed/universe) [3.0.5-1ubuntu1 => 3.0.5-1ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[13:41] <sil2100> I'll double check all the SRUs for those and accept them as well, with an intent to fast-track
[13:42] <jchittum> sil2100 : we'll get a buildd up soon and get it all bootstrapping
[13:44] <slyon> sil2100: We probably can/should drop "glm" and "calligra" from the impish queue, and I'll reupload those FTBFS fixes into jammy
[14:01] <LocutusOfBorg> jammy? :D
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python3-defaults (jammy-proposed/main) [3.9.4-1build1 => 3.9.4-1ubuntu2] (core, i386-whitelist)
[14:18] <sil2100> slyon: o/
[14:18] <sil2100> jchittum: thanks!
[14:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debootstrap [source] (impish-proposed) [1.0.124ubuntu0.1]
[14:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debootstrap [source] (hirsute-proposed) [1.0.123ubuntu6.1]
[14:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debootstrap [source] (focal-proposed) [1.0.118ubuntu1.5]
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debootstrap [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.95ubuntu0.10]
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libloki (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.1.7-3ubuntu2 => 0.1.7-3ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted distro-info-data [source] (impish-proposed) [0.51ubuntu1.1]
[14:59] <jchittum> sil2100: delivered the latest buildd to bootstrap jammy
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted distro-info-data [source] (hirsute-proposed) [0.46ubuntu4.3]
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected distro-info-data [source] (focal-proposed) [0.43ubuntu1.9]
[15:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected distro-info-data [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.37ubuntu0.13]
[15:04] <sil2100> jchittum: \o/ thanks!
[15:04] <sil2100> cjwatson: ^
[15:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted distro-info-data [source] (focal-proposed) [0.43ubuntu1.9]
[15:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted distro-info-data [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.37ubuntu0.13]
[15:07] <cjwatson> ack
[15:09] <sil2100> Verifying the d-i-d uploads, will release them today still
[15:14] <cjwatson> jammy base images updated, at least nominally
[15:14] <cjwatson> Would be good to run some kind of all-architectures test build through to see if they work at all
[15:14] <cjwatson> sil2100: ^ if you have anything handy
[15:14] <cjwatson> Though actually I can just use a PPA, never mind
[15:21] <cjwatson> Well, dunno about riscv64 or about the LXD base images, but everything else seems happy
[15:21] <cjwatson> So I think I'm done with my opening tasks, other than flipping the series status to development when y'all are happy to do that
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-mate-artwork (jammy-proposed/universe) [21.10.0 => 22.04.0] (ubuntu-mate)
[15:27] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks!
[15:27] <sil2100> I'd leave that to vorlon
[15:27] <sil2100> Since I'm juggling a few tasks now and then I'd like to crash finally
[15:33] <jchittum> CPC will have our builds opened up probably on Tuesday/Wednesday ~ ish.
[15:41] <sil2100> jchittum: thanks!
[15:41] <sil2100> Okay, early releasing distro-info-data
[15:41] <jchittum> sil2100 : TY!
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pytest (jammy-proposed/universe) [6.0.2-2ubuntu1 => 6.2.5-1ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu)
[16:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r-base (jammy-proposed/universe) [4.0.4-1build1 => 4.1.1-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r-bioc-biocgenerics (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.36.0-1 => 0.38.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[16:19] <vorlon> ginggs: ^^ using r-base as the test of the new LP base images
[16:19] <vorlon> so if there are any build failures, let me know :)
[16:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-base [sync] (jammy-proposed) [4.1.1-2]
[16:22] <vorlon> sil2100, laney, cjwatson: so I'm at the point in the opening checklist that says "copy the pending syncs which we didn't want to accept from previous-proposed UNAPPROVED"... but I'm unaware of any command that lets me copy from the queue, as opposed to downloading and reuploading?
[16:27] <cjwatson> vorlon: I think you are correct
[16:27] <vorlon> ok
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glm [source] (impish-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+ds-1ubuntu1]
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted util-linux [source] (impish-proposed) [2.36.1-8ubuntu2]
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted geonkick [source] (impish-proposed) [2.8.0-0ubuntu2]
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zfs-linux [source] (impish-proposed) [2.0.6-1ubuntu2.1]
[16:44] <vorlon> calligra (1:3.2.1+dfsg-2ubuntu9) devel; urgency=medium
[16:44] <vorlon> slyon: ^^ nice try, but devel was still pointed to the wrong place ;)
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected calligra [source] (impish-proposed) [1:3.2.1+dfsg-2ubuntu9]
[16:47] <slyon> vorlon: heh, yeah. I realized that afterwards. I guess it should be rejected/dropped from the impish queue (as well as glm) and I'll upload both ftbfs fixes into the now existing jammy queue
[16:48] <vorlon> slyon: I already accepted glm, it's suitable for a fix-in-proposed SRU at least
[16:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glm (jammy-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS>+ds-1 => <IP_ADDRESS>+ds-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calligra (jammy-proposed/universe) [1:3.2.1+dfsg-2ubuntu8 => 1:3.2.1+dfsg-2ubuntu9] (kubuntu)
[16:50] <slyon> Ack, thanks. That's fine. I already prepared the sru template for glm
[16:52] <ginggs> vorlon: thanks, r-base has already built everywhere except still building on riscv64
[16:53] <vorlon> \o/
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected sway [source] (impish-proposed) [1.5.1-2ubuntu1]
[16:56] <vorlon> hmm the queue doesn't show me who synced a package from experimental to an SRU queue
[16:56]  * vorlon holsters the trout
[17:03] <rbasak> vorlon: bug 1898861 is what you want I think.
[17:04] <vorlon> :)
[17:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rmatrix (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.3-2+really1.3-2-0ubuntu1 => 1.3-4-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdebi (jammy-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>+nmu5ubuntu1 => <IP_ADDRESS>+nmu6] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[18:03] <orndorffgrant> vorlon: finally got a response up to your questions on LP: #1942929 - thanks again for looking. Sorry in advance for the long reply, just trying to be thorough :)
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vte2.91 (jammy-proposed/main) [0.64.2-1ubuntu1 => 0.64.2-3] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[18:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons-ng (jammy-proposed/main) [20-0ubuntu3 => 23-1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[18:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: util-linux (jammy-proposed/main) [2.36.1-8ubuntu1 => 2.36.1-8ubuntu2] (core, i386-whitelist) (sync)
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: geonkick (jammy-proposed/universe) [2.8.0-0ubuntu1 => 2.8.0-0ubuntu2] (ubuntustudio) (sync)
[18:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (jammy-proposed/main) [2.0.6-1ubuntu2 => 2.0.6-1ubuntu2.1] (core, kernel-dkms) (sync)
[19:01] <baldrick> Help: VNC server on 21.04. Sharing turned on via GNOME but no love when tryng to connect to it
[19:01] <baldrick> Client just times out
[19:02] <baldrick> port scan on 5900 shows filtered but not open
[19:03] <sarnold> you'll probably have better luck in #ubuntu
[19:03] <kanashiro> vorlon, since you accepted the new docker dependency in bionic could you please also accept the other packages? docker.io, containerd and runc
[19:03] <baldrick> cheers sarnold
[19:04] <vorlon> kanashiro: unsure that I'll get to it today, currently focused on jammy archive opening
[19:25] <doko> vorlon, sil2100 proposed to copy the base-files, distro-info-data and debootstrap to the release pocket, such that we have valid info in the release pocket
[19:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python3-defaults [source] (jammy-proposed) [3.9.4-1ubuntu2]
[19:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-github-containers-image (hirsute-proposed/universe) [5.10.3-1ubuntu1 => 5.10.3-1ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[19:36] <vorlon> doko: what is impacted by not having this?
[19:36] <vorlon> the less I have to do manually bypassing proposed-migration, the happier I am
[19:37] <doko> can you join the hangout?
[19:39] <juliank> copying distro-info-data to release pocket is super useful
[19:39] <juliank> a lot of autopkgtests need the right one and will just fail
[19:46] <vorlon> juliank: shouldn't be any autopgktests running yet though?  although based on chat I just had with doko, we should probably figure out how as part of archive opening to also copy forward autopkgtest results for packages that move from impish-proposed to jammy-proposed
[19:46] <juliank> right
[19:46] <juliank> we copy the latest result for each package, that should usually be for the one in proposed?
[19:46] <vorlon> (in fact, if we figure that part out, it might make sense to also do the bulk copy to jammy-proposed before turning proposed-migration back on)
[19:47] <vorlon> don't we only copy the last successful result?
[19:47] <vorlon> ... which might be ok
[19:47] <vorlon> i.e. we'll retry failed tests but not successful ones
[19:47] <juliank> ah yes
[19:48] <vorlon> anyway, if we do the bulk package copy before turning on proposed-migration, maybe we have nice statistics that don't reset at the release boundary
[19:48] <juliank> i think that's ok
[19:49] <juliank> we are at libq in seeding the swift database fwiw
[19:49] <juliank> I think the lib* are big, as will be rust-*?
[19:50] <juliank> so I don't know how long it's still going to take
[19:50]  * vorlon nods
[19:51] <juliank> I realize I could have added a count() column and displayed a progress bar, though
[19:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted geonkick [sync] (jammy-proposed) [2.8.0-0ubuntu2]
[19:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-bioc-biocgenerics [sync] (jammy-proposed) [0.38.0-1]
[19:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zfs-linux [sync] (jammy-proposed) [2.0.6-1ubuntu2.1]
[19:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glm [sync] (jammy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+ds-1ubuntu1]
[19:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted util-linux [sync] (jammy-proposed) [2.36.1-8ubuntu2]
[20:13] <vorlon> trying something different w/ the opening of proposed-migration, copying data/impish and data/impish-proposed to data/jammy{,-proposed} so that state doesn't completely reset
[20:48] <webchat16> Hi, do you know where I can report problem with booting after 21.04 => 21.10 upgrade, I had to run 'repair broken packages' to be able to boot successfully?
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected displaycal [source] (impish-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+flatpak]
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus [sync] (impish-proposed) [27-4]
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected gnome-connections [source] (impish-proposed) [41~rc-1~build1]
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected mozillavpn [sync] (impish-proposed) [2.1.0-1]
[20:52] <juliank> bad webchat user
[20:52] <juliank> waited only 90s
[20:52]  * juliank sad
[21:34] <vorlon> apw, bdmurray, RAOF, rbasak, stgraber, tjaalton: impish-proposed has been cleaned up, everything left is a presumed SRU
[22:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pytest [source] (jammy-proposed) [6.2.5-1ubuntu1]


[17:45] <c0fe> how can I give ownership to a directory to all users in a specific group?
[17:48] <Ussat> chown it
[18:03] <c0fe> Ussat: chown :GroupA /var/www ?
[18:03] <c0fe> like that?
[18:04] <Ussat> man chown
[18:06] <c0fe> i know about that but wasn't helpful
[18:09] <TJ-> c0fe: use ACLs
[18:09] <c0fe> TJ-: this is on a LXD container
[18:13] <c0fe> TJ-: last time i tried it, i was getting a bunch of errors and seems like you can get it to run if you hack it together
[18:13] <teward> c0fe: LXD containers use ACLs and the concept of ACLs inside their containers
[18:14] <c0fe> teward: really? is there a guide?
[18:14] <teward> refer to Any Given "How To" on Linux permissions
[18:25] <c0fe> teward: i have tried it for another use but it just errored out
[18:33] <c0fe> i created multiple users, added them all to one group called "usersharegrp" but I am getting permission denied when accessing a share: https://dpaste.com/H4H95YYRU
[18:33] <c0fe> is there something wrong with my samba config?
[18:37] <c0fe> what am i doing wrong?
[18:44] <c0fe> teward: for acl does that need to be installed apt-get install acl ?
[19:00] <xibalba> i can't decide if i should use the builtin tiumesync service and point it at my Chrony/NTP host, or just setup Chrony on the system, and use my Chrony/NTP server as the upstream for time sync
[19:06] <teward> c0fe: yes you need to install `acl` for extended ACL systems
[19:06] <teward> but not for base chowns
[19:06] <teward> you DO need to make sure your user is in the right group and logout/login again
[19:06] <sdeziel> xibalba: I've found that for systems that are always on (servers), systemd-timesyncd was OK but for laptops that are sometimes suspended, it starts drifting (maybe my RTC is shitty?) enough to break my TOTP authentication. The laptop situation has been fixed by switching to chrony ;)
[19:07] <xibalba> thanks, these will be servers. builtin timesyncd seems perfectly sufficient. i think i'll go with the builtin and point it to my chrony box
[19:09] <c0fe> teward: what do you mean in the right group?
[19:11] <Ussat> for example if you chown root:group1 make sure the user is in group1
[19:13] <teward> ^ this
[19:14] <teward> what Ussat said (sorry i'm in meetings)
[19:14] <xibalba> lol see?! meetings are useless =p
[19:15] <Ussat> xibalba, if you would like to convince my Director of said, feel free :)
[19:19] <c0fe> Ussat: so if i want usera and userb to have access to folder1 I need to make they are both in the same group?
[19:19] <Ussat> yes
[19:20] <c0fe> i was under the impression ACL was better because it avoids this, then what does ACL have over regular chown?
[19:24] <noregret> https://bpa.st/5HADM - any idea why this service is exiting? nothing helpful in the logs
[19:24] <Ussat> ACL's are much more granular, yes
[19:24] <Ussat> and yes, ACL's avoid that, BUT ask yourself how granular do you need to go ? ACL's are generally not as strait forward
[19:25] <Ussat> Wether you use ACL or chown depends on a few things, and not having access to your system I have no idea what is best for you
[19:27] <c0fe> how much more granular can they get Ussat? I thought it was a way to avoid making sure users share a group
[19:27] <Ussat> thats one uyse, yes
[19:27] <Ussat> and this is IMHO not the place for a teatsie on ACL's, but very granular
[19:32] <c0fe> my setup isn't very complicated
[19:32] <c0fe> acl would be nice if i can avoid making sure everyone is in the same group
[19:33] <sarnold> noregret: you'll have to find where that service logs and see if it emitted anything
[19:34] <sarnold> noregret: also check the config file for that service and see if it's been instructed to not listen on any networks/ports/sockets etc
[19:36] <c0fe> teward: can you clarify on acl please?
[19:36] <sdeziel> noregret: /var/log/php7.4-fpm.log maybe?
[19:36] <c0fe> because i am not sure why you said users have to share the same group
[19:36] <Ussat> c0fe, ACL's are more difficult to manage
[19:37] <noregret> sdeziel: yeah, it exists, but empty
[19:37] <teward> c0fe: the users being in the same group has nothing to do with ACLs
[19:38] <teward> it has to do with UNIX permissions
[19:38] <teward> i'm in a meeting i can't elaborate but Ussat can :P
[19:39] <Ussat> Meeting here also, but honestly is there a specific reeason NOT to have then in the same group ?
[19:40] <Ussat> https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/linux-access-control-lists
[19:40] <Ussat> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man5/acl.5.html
[19:40] <Ussat> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/setfacl.1.html
[19:41] <Ussat> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/getfacl.1.html
[19:41] <Ussat> There
[19:41] <sdeziel> noregret: you have php 7.4 which would indicate Ubuntu 20.04 but the status output you shared doesn't match what I'd expect
[19:41] <Ussat> ACL's are very powerfull but also complicated
[19:41] <sdeziel> noregret: are you using a PPA or something like that to get PHP?
[19:42] <noregret> sdeziel: yes, a 3rd party repo
[19:42] <noregret> i'm still on 18.04
[19:44] <c0fe> Ussat: i have a few different users and having to coordinate the same group will mean I have to create a bunch of different groups for different use cases
[19:44] <Ussat> Then I suggest you learn ACL
[19:44] <Ussat> start reading
[19:44] <Ussat> its nothing that anyone will be able to explain over IRC
[19:46] <Ussat> you do realise that users can be in multiple groups ?
[19:46] <c0fe> i guess i am bit unsure why teward said that users need to be in the same group when using acl
[19:46] <Ussat> I dont believe he did
[19:47] <teward> i didn't
[19:47] <teward> i said you need users in the same group when NOT using acl
[19:48] <teward> and just using straight UNIX permissions
[19:49] <sdeziel> noregret: you'll need to check how php-fpm is configured then as it differs from what I'm used to work with :/
[19:50] <noregret> sdeziel: well, all was working fine until I updated earlier and php8.0 got installed from that repo. All versions are in /etc/php/phpxx/
[19:50] <c0fe> ah ok, my bad, sorry teward...i need more coffee
[19:53] <noregret> /etc/php/xx/ *
[19:54] <noregret> and /etc/php/7.4/fpm/pool.d/www.conf looks fine to me
[19:59] <teward> using ACL i can have a separate set of groups 'admins' 'users' 'idiots' etc. and give THOSE groups special acl rights independent of groups that are on the chown
[19:59] <sdeziel> noregret: it's a long shot but those fpm typically want to listen to unix sockets or TCP sockets. Maybe another fpm instance started before has bounded the same socket that php7.4-fpm wanted to listen to?
[19:59] <teward> but if you're working from the fact of pure UNIX permissions then group owner needs to be in the groups that the user is in for straight chown to work
[19:59] <teward> c0fe:  ^
[19:59] <teward> if you go the ACL routes it gets more complex
[20:00] <c0fe> teward: i have setup a group with nginx included in it but getting permission denied
[20:01] <teward> you'd have to share specifics
[20:04] <c0fe> teward: I got 3 users, Bobsmb, Jillsmb and nginx that all need to have read, write, execute access to /var/www/data. I have all three users created and all are part of smbsharegrp and i have the following samba config: https://dpaste.com/36WUC7LDP
[20:09] <noregret> sdeziel: nope, nothing is running
[20:09] <noregret> i'll try to remove php8 and try again
[20:10] <c0fe> teward: i am checking the logs but see nothing in there
[20:11] <teward> you are talking about what APPEARS to be separate issues,
[20:11] <teward> nginx runs only as `www-data` in a default config unless you altered it
[20:11] <teward> your *users* should never be in `www-data`
[20:12] <teward> at which point you'd have to do ACLs if you have *multiple* users who need to edit www-data group accessible files
[20:12] <teward> you *don't* want to alter that unless you *really* know what you're doing
[20:12] <teward> and 99% of people don't ;)
[20:12] <teward> with regards to your nginx web data what do I care about smbsharegrp in this case?
[20:13] <teward> because it has nothing to do with *nginx* unless you've altered your /var/www/data perms to be a nonstandard group like smbsharegrp and not www-data
[20:14] <c0fe> teward: nginx that is installed from their own repo uses "nginx" as the user and group
[20:14] <teward> ERR:ThirdPartyRepository ERR:NotSupportedByUbuntu ERR:WeirdConfigurationsFromUpstream
[20:14] <c0fe> so what is going on is that I am using nextcloud but since webdav is broken i am going to substitute in smb
[20:14] <teward> i'm in the middle of somehting I can't dedicate any cycles right now here...
[20:14] <c0fe> i can remove nginx from that group
[20:15] <c0fe> i just still need to make sure it can write into it
[20:16] <teward> Ussat: are you able to help ^ diagnose their permissions issues?
[20:16] <teward> They've got a complex setup here that at this point I think will need ACLs to really work with non-Samba directories at this point
[20:16] <teward> ERR: Busy With ${PAYING_JOB}
[20:25] <Ussat> I am not at the moment, I have meetings rest of the day with vendors, sorry
[23:19] <xibalba> i'm having a dumb problem i'm just not seeing, trying to load `named` and get open: /etc/bind/named.conf: permission denied but my permissions are root:bind and 660
[23:20] <sarnold> namei -l /etc/bind/named.conf may help you spot something
[23:20] <sarnold> also check dmesg or auditd logs, perhaps your process has an apparmor profile that is preventing the access
[23:20] <xibalba> ty will check both
[23:21] <xibalba> darn apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="/usr/sbin/named
[23:22] <xibalba> good idea, thanks. i had another box i've been deploying against with my ansible playbook, tried myplaybook on a fresh box and got this error. guess i need to account for apparmor in my playbook now
[23:22] <sarnold> what is named trying to create?
[23:23] <xibalba> looks like /etc/bind/named.run , maybe i just fix up the permissions there.
[23:23] <xibalba> apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="/usr/sbin/named" name="/etc/bind/named.run" pid=207990 comm="named" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[23:27] <pcfreak30> Hello, I am having an issue suddenly where the network service hangs on 18.04.  When i go to recovery, i see the recovery-menu try to run networking.service but its not there, and I can see systemd-networkd + netplan seem to be used. I can use the network on a live cd. What should I be looking at?
[23:29] <sarnold> xibalba: named.run ? that's a funny file... it feels a bit like maybe something that ought to live in /run or /var instead?
[23:29] <xibalba> yeh and apparmor's profile for named shows the same
[23:30] <xibalba> i'm going to just nuke that box and rerun my playbook on a fresh one
[23:30] <sarnold> are you building named from source?
[23:30] <sarnold> maybe you just need a new ./configure --thingy to tell it where to store the file
[23:32] <xibalba> na, i'm not that crazy. though maybe i ought to be, i'm getting bind9 from apt
[23:32] <xibalba> i stopped building from source when i stopped using *bsd =p
[23:38] <sarnold> hrm; does your bind config specify where to put that file?
[23:39] <xibalba> no it should be all defaults. i bet i did something goofy to that box before, thats why i'm blasting it away. uploading my 20.04 gold images to the esxi box now then going to rerun that playbook
[23:39] <xibalba> i ran that playbook against 2 other ubuntu 20.04 hosts thus far and it worked fine
[23:40] <xibalba> hey do you know if there is there a way for me to alias an IP to a host, but make sure that IP is not used for any outbound connection instantiated by the host?
[23:40] <xibalba> i.e,. i have a host w/an any casted IP, I dont want it to use it's any cast IP to fetch updates via apt update
[23:41] <xibalba> i might have to move the anycast ip to loopback
[23:43] <sarnold> hmm, I don't know anything off the top of my head, no
[23:44] <xibalba> score, figured it out
[23:45] <xibalba> ip route change default via $YOUR_CURRENT_DEFAULT_GW src $THE_IP_YOU_WANT_TO_SRC_FROM
[23:47] <sarnold> nice
[23:59] <xibalba> alright! fresh box, ran my playbook and BIND + ExaBGP are online announcing a /32, neato burrito


[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <Noskcaj> Debian has release a fix for bug 892774, i'll make the sync bug now
[08:24] <Noskcaj>  bug 1237828
[23:24] <philsf> hello, I published code for two projects in lp, but in my innocence I used (bzr) tags to identify release versions. what is the best practice to track those in lp? do I need to branch at each version?


[19:54] <stgraber> highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[19:54] <stgraber> highvoltage: not sure if Kate poked you yet
[19:55] <stgraber> highvoltage: they want it up to date by EOD today
[19:59] <highvoltage> stgraber: come get your image
[20:03] <stgraber> highvoltage: do we want to point to the beta2 blog post from the announcement ?
[20:04] <highvoltage> stgraber: I just turned over to my screen session on chopin and noticed that that amd64 image is still syncing, so you have yesterday's image.
[20:04] <stgraber> highvoltage: doh :)
[20:04] <stgraber> highvoltage: when will you have the new one ?
[20:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: it's at 73% now, and going slowly
[20:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: rsync estimates 2:04:53, but it should of course finish faster
[20:05] <stgraber> highvoltage: we really need 100Mb/s at the office :)
[21:16] <stgraber> highvoltage: can you add "Make ltsp live dialogs translatable" to our oneiric todolist
[21:19] <highvoltage> added
[21:20] <highvoltage> well, ltsp-live needs a gui part rewrite anyway :)


[00:01] <pleia2> ok, errands complete, now to finish packing!
[00:03] <nhaines> Yup, I'm on break.  Might eat dinner and then it's back to writing!
[00:03] <pleia2> nice
[00:26] <philballew> pleia2, Wil you be doing a Ubuntu hour next week?
[00:26] <philballew> or the week after?
[19:26] <pleia2> philballew: the week after (I updated the wiki a few weeks ago when I created the event in LTP)
[19:26] <pleia2> jan 15th
[21:40] <philballew> pleia2, perfect!
[21:41] <philballew> nhaines, I got an email from a person in Orange county looking for an Ubuntu help/hour or a team leader there. Can I forward it to you?
[21:42] <pleia2> philballew: he sent it to all admins, I sent him to richard
[21:43]  * pleia2 forwards over the reply
[21:43] <pleia2> I though I included you and grant on it, but my brain is not so good today :)
[21:43] <pleia2> thought too
[21:43] <pleia2> see?
[21:44] <philballew> pleia2, Interesting that he did not just cc, but whatever! I see it from you now.
[21:44] <pleia2> philballew: see the footer of the email :)
[21:44] <philballew> pleia2, I see now. :)
[21:44] <philballew> pleia2, So what is it like being upside down all the time now?
[21:45]  * philballew hopes she got the joke...
[21:45] <pleia2> well, so far I am mostly just suffering from lack of sleep
[21:45] <pleia2> it's 10:45AM on Sunday here, so not so far off from home, except a whole day
[21:46] <pleia2> Perth is another few timezones over though, so I'm sure I'll be feeling it once I leave New Zealand :)
[21:46] <philballew> ah, interesting.  Bon Iver makes a song about Perth.
[21:46]  * philballew may have just outed himself as someone who listens to strange music.
[21:47] <philballew> have fun with Linux though pleia2
[21:47] <pleia2> always do!
[22:10] <rww> pleia2: which bit of NZ?
[22:18] <pleia2> rww: Auckland airport ;)
[22:18] <pleia2> 8.5 hour layover
[22:18] <rww> aww, wrong island :s
[22:19] <pleia2> only a bit more than 2 hours to go before boarding!