[06:09] <alkisg> Good morning
[06:48] <highvoltage> good morning alkisg
[13:00] <ace_suares> morning all
[13:24] <alkisg> Good morning ace_suares
[13:24] <highvoltage> morning ace_suares
[13:24] <alkisg> Hey highvoltage
[13:24] <highvoltage> hey alkisg!
[13:25] <highvoltage> I missed the meeting on Friday, sorry about that
[13:25] <alkisg> Fun, we answered 24 minutes after ace_suares said good morning, but on the exact second :)
[13:25] <highvoltage> heh :)
[13:25] <ace_suares> and on the exact same day and year! Aaaaaaaamzing!
[13:25] <ace_suares> Aaaaaaamazing!
[13:26] <highvoltage> yes what's the chances of that.
[13:26] <alkisg> No big deal about the meeting... ace said he'd restructure the whole wiki and we said ok :)
[13:26] <ace_suares> one in something!
[13:26] <ace_suares> he basically yes, and flint announced sugar ppa and sbalneav said sabayon and the docs are coming along.
[14:42] <nubae> highvoltage: I missed it too :-/
[14:42] <nubae> funny how we tried to organise it and we miss it, heh
[14:43] <highvoltage> nubae: sheesh, yes! I guess it happens sometimes
[15:23]  * mhall119|work is reading stgraber's interview in full circle magazine
[18:30] <LaserJock> anybody about?
[18:30] <andv> hello LaserJock
[18:30] <andv> :)
[18:31]  * LaserJock is trying some funky web irc client
[18:31] <andv> xD
[18:32] <andv> LaserJock, how edubuntu developing is going?
[18:33] <mhall119|work> LaserJock is back!
[18:33] <LaserJock> well, sorta
[18:34] <LaserJock> I don't have internet at home yet
[18:34] <LaserJock> so I'm using a Windows computer at work at the moment
[18:34] <highvoltage> LaserJock!
[18:34] <LaserJock> just got in last night after a 1 week/ 3,500 mile drive
[18:34] <highvoltage> how are you/
[18:34] <LaserJock> tired!
[18:35] <LaserJock> but my wife, pets, and "stuff" is in Massachusetts now
[18:36] <highvoltage> did the lights all go down in massachusetts?
[18:36] <LaserJock> highvoltage: don't think so
[18:36] <highvoltage> (sorry stupid bee-gees joke)
[18:37] <Lns> wb LaserJock !
[18:37] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I have a commit to the edubuntu,karmic seed bzr branch
[18:37] <LaserJock> highvoltage: but no way to upload it
[18:37] <highvoltage> LaserJock: stgraber can do that right?
[18:37] <highvoltage> stgraber: are you around/
[18:37] <alkisg> Hey LaserJock! You'
[18:37] <alkisg> ve been missed :)
[18:38] <LaserJock> btw, my PhD got officially posted so \o/
[18:38] <mhall119|work> LaserJock: you need irssi and a remote server for chatting during work hours
[18:39] <LaserJock> mhall119|work: I don't think I'll get to do that
[18:39] <LaserJock> the Air Force is a bit picky about the computers
[18:39] <mhall119|work> yet you're using a web-based IRC client
[18:39]  * nubae congratulates LaserJock
[18:40] <LaserJock> mhall119|work: on an "unsecure" network. I think they block a lot of ports, including ssh I think
[18:40] <mhall119|work> LaserJock: alright then, get an Android phone
[18:41] <mhall119|work> or do they make you work in a faraday cage?
[18:42] <LaserJock> heh
[18:42] <LaserJock> no
[18:42] <nubae> yeah my work blocks everything except port 80, people come up with enthusiastic creative ways to get around it though
[18:42] <LaserJock> well
[18:42] <LaserJock> the idea really is that at work I should be working :-)
[18:42] <mhall119|work> what?
[18:42] <LaserJock> my hours aren't bad so I hope to work and work and play at home
[18:43] <LaserJock> it's weird having a real job after 11 years of uni
[18:43] <nubae> LaserJock: what are u doing as work exactly?
[18:44] <LaserJock> nubae: if I told you ... I'd have to kill you
[18:44] <LaserJock> :-)
[18:44] <mhall119|work> well okay, but it had better be good
[18:44] <LaserJock> the basic thing is that I'm looking at plasmas
[18:44] <nubae> plasmas?
[18:44] <LaserJock> I create plasmas in a vacumn chamber with a strong laser
[18:44] <mhall119|work> weapon or propulsion?
[18:44]  * nubae doesnt even know what that is :-)
[18:44] <mhall119|work> nubae: lose electrons
[18:45] <LaserJock> mhall119|work: detection of both basically
[18:45]  * nubae visualises something Star Trekkie
[18:45] <LaserJock> heh
[18:45] <mhall119|work> nubae: it's far less interesting than that
[18:45] <nubae> eject the plasma, she's gonna blow
[18:45] <mhall119|work> visualize fire
[18:45] <nubae> :-)
[18:45] <LaserJock> basically you focus the laser beam down until it blows everything apart
[18:46] <mhall119|work> hey, that's always fun
[18:46] <LaserJock> and then I look to see how the atoms reform
[18:46] <LaserJock> into interesting molecules
[18:46] <nubae> well that does sound interesting the way u describe actually...
[18:46] <LaserJock> anyway, it's Defense space stuff
[18:47] <nubae> oh... against aliens... or illegal aliens?
[18:47] <nubae> (grin)
[18:47] <mhall119|work> mexicans is freakin lasers?
[18:47] <LaserJock> I think the "threat" is more across the ocean to the east
[18:48] <LaserJock> I mean, west
[18:48] <mhall119|work> Texas?
[18:48] <mhall119|work> oh, west
[18:48]  * LaserJock is tired
[18:48] <mhall119|work> oh, right, Texas?
[18:48] <mhall119|work> I mean, I know they're secessionist and love their guns, but I don't really think we need lasers to deal with them
[18:48]  * mhall119|work is in Florida
[18:48] <ogra> so yu moved east to help defending your country against a thread from the west ?
[18:49] <mhall119|work> ogra: maybe he knows something we don't?
[18:49] <LaserJock> ogra: something like that ;-)
[18:49] <ogra> hi btw
[18:49] <nubae> iy might turn out to be effective though... could have some mind altering contingent
[18:49] <mhall119|work> nubae: powerful lasers will definitely alter someone's mind
[18:49] <LaserJock> ogra: hi
[18:49] <ogra> good to see you back
[18:49] <mhall119|work> it'll alter it right into a steaming pool of mush
[18:50] <LaserJock> ogra: sorta, my brain is fried
[18:50] <ogra> yeah, understandable
[18:50] <LaserJock> I drove for ~ 15hr/day for 4 days
[18:50] <mhall119|work> case in point
[18:50] <nubae> heh... careful with those lasers ;-)
[18:50] <ogra> i heard that
[18:50] <ogra> so where are you based now ? boston ?
[18:50] <mhall119|work> LaserJock: are you saying the Air Force couldn't figure out a faster way of traveling?
[18:50] <LaserJock> well, outside of boston
[18:51] <ogra> cool
[18:51] <LaserJock> ogra: actually, I work about 1 mile from Lexington
[18:51] <ogra> we can meet up if i'm in the lexington office
[18:51] <nubae> Boston is nice... I lived there for 3 years
[18:51] <LaserJock> mhall119|work: well, I don't officially work for the Air Force. I'm sure the cool people get better ways :-)
[18:52] <LaserJock> so I moved from Reno, NV to Boston but work for a company in Utah :-)
[18:52] <nubae> heh
[18:52] <LaserJock> the paperwork has been overwhelming
[18:52] <ogra> LaserJock, you are not by chance at that small lex. airforce base where mark uses to land ?
[18:52] <LaserJock> ogra: probably
[18:52] <nubae> u'll start using the term 'wicked' soon enough ;-)
[18:52] <ogra> funny :)
[18:53] <LaserJock> nubae: hehe, I've heard it a few times already
[18:53] <nubae> and u'll have to paaak the caaah in the yaaahd
[18:53] <Lns> LOL nubae
[18:53] <LaserJock> I really hope I don't sound like that when I'm done
[18:53] <ogra> nubae, in boaastn ?
[18:54]  * Lns greets all btw
[18:56] <nubae> The Aquarium there is pretty nice... though its probably nothing compared to places in California or Florida
[18:57]  * ogra has seen the sydney Aquarium ... havent seen a better one yet
[18:58] <LaserJock> I'm still just trying to find the grocery store, etc.
[18:58] <LaserJock> but I bought a GPS unit for the car, which really helps
[18:58]  * nubae loves Aquariums... must be about the most soothing experience known, right up there along side meditation
[19:03]  * Lns didn't know nubae was into meditation too :)
[19:27]  * mhall119|work is into seditation
[19:31] <Lns> kind of related, though maybe a bit more dangerous in the long term ;)
[19:47] <ogra> highvoltage, LaserJock, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-August/011286.html some packaging training ;)


[12:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected openssl [source] (jammy-proposed) [3.0.2-0ubuntu1.7]
[14:29] <mitya57> Please reject ubuntu-unity-backgrounds from kinetic New queue, I will upload new version with fixed copyright file.
[14:58] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, yes it was me
[14:58] <LocutusOfBorg> btw put haskell-hoogle on big_packages on armhf can help?
[14:59] <LocutusOfBorg> I blame armhf slowliness :/
[15:22] <rs2009> vorlon: could you reject ubuntu-unity-backgrounds from the upload queue for kinetic?
[16:02] <vorlon> rs2009, mitya57: done, but there's no requirement that this be done before you reupload
[16:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected ubuntu-unity-backgrounds [source] (kinetic-proposed) [22.10-0ubuntu1]
[16:13] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: unless you think hoogle's maintainer scripts are going to work better when the VM has more memory, I don't see big_packages helping
[16:22] <mitya57> vorlon: I was going to re-use the same version number. Or I can upload it without rejection?
[16:23] <mitya57> Uploaded, btw.
[16:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ubuntu-unity-backgrounds (kinetic-proposed/primary) [22.10-0ubuntu1]
[16:26] <rs2009> thanks mitya57 :)
[16:35] <rs2009> did anyone take a look at the failing ISO builds btw
[16:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> I believe the failing ISO builds are universal.
[16:43] <rs2009> Eickmeyer[m]: yep, they do seem to be present in all the flavor builds as well as the main ubuntu build, but not in the server ISO build
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> so CLOSE to universal. :)
[16:45] <rs2009> yep, pretty close to universal lol
[17:00] <rs2009> Eickmeyer[m], vorlon, sil2100, seb128: I figured out the issue.
[17:00] <rs2009> 1. the new systemd-resolved package needs to be installed for Ubuntu and its flavors after the split (this was already known)
[17:00] <rs2009> 2. dnsmasq gets installed during the first 'apt install' run, and automatically starts before systemd-resolved is set up if systemd-resolved is added using `add_package install systemd-resolved`. dnsmasq needs to be killed after the first 'apt install' invocation and systemd-resolved needs to be run manually after killing dnsmasq
[17:03] <rs2009> I'll create an MR for these changes (I tested this, and doing this results in DNS resolution working again, thus resulting in a successful build)
[17:05] <rs2009> an even better better solution would be to run `apt install systemd-resolved` in the chroot (in lb_chroot_layered) before the 'install' packages are installed in the chroot (as dnsmasq is one of them)
[17:05] <rs2009> s/better better/better/g
[17:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> rs2009: Good find! I'm not sure if sil_2100 and _vorlon were already on to your findings, but it's a holiday weekend in the US (which affects vorlon_ in particular) so I don't know if that will get resolved before Monday or Tuesday.
[17:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ugh... element and its markdown...
[17:07] <rs2009> well, md doesn't work in most IRC clients :)
[17:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right, I was trying to avoid pinging Steve.
[17:08] <rs2009> they didn't get pinged on IRC
[17:08] <rs2009> (as markdown doesn't work here)
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> Ah, I see.
[17:08] <rs2009> I'll just create an MR for now and wait for someone who has rights to approve it
[17:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Not a bad idea.
[18:09] <vorlon> mitya57: yes, it's allowed to have two packages with the same version number in the queue; once one is accepted the other cannot be
[18:10] <vorlon> rs2009: failing ISO builds were caused by a bad systemd in the kinetic containers being used.  Needs a new container image to be built and published with the systemd that was published to the release pocket yesterday before this is fixed.
[18:17] <vorlon> jbicha: hat's going on with bug #1988230? having a glib2.0 in -proposed that introduces new symbols and blocks migration of other packages post-FF is not cool
[18:17] <vorlon> *what's
[18:18] <vorlon> jbicha: (it blocks the ghc transition due to termonad)
[18:19] <vorlon> (much more than termonad, really)
[18:36] <rs2009> vorlon: would be great if you could take a look at the new ubuntu-unity-backgrounds package and approve it
[18:37] <rs2009> (no lintian errors/warnings this time btw)
[18:39] <rs2009> vorlon: hmm, that's weird (I got the ISO to build successfully after doing what I mentioned above without any issues, and was actually going to submit an MP)
[19:10] <mitya57> vorlon: thanks for explanation, I learned something new
[19:29] <jbicha> seb128 is handling modemmanager. Marco is working on some other glib issues
[23:30] <vorlon> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pandoc/<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1/+build/24282524 \o/
[23:32] <vorlon> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gitit/<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-2/+build/24308583 /o\
[23:37] <vorlon> so pandoc build "Succeeded" for armhf but is empty :P
[23:52] <Eickmeyer> Task failed successfully.


[00:12] <maps|wrk> grmph
[00:26] <maps|wrk> everyone gone to sleep?
[00:26] <maps|wrk> :)
[00:36] <maps|wrk> anyone looked at http://goodnightlamp.com/ ?
[00:41] <shauno> I don't get it
[00:41] <maps|wrk> im not sure i do really
[00:41] <maps|wrk> it seems a bit pointless to me?
[00:42] <maps|wrk> Good Night Lamp is a physical social network. It allows you to keep in touch with people all over the world. When you buy Good Night Lamp it comes as a set of two lamps: a Big Lamp and a Little Lamp. When you turn on your Big Lamp, the Little Lamp turns on too. You can send your Little Lamp to your friend or family member anywhere in the world. There is no lengthy setup and no internet connection needed.
[00:42] <maps|wrk> uses the phone network and when  i turn my big light on the small liht also come on..great whats the point of that?
[00:43] <maps|wrk> * The Good Night Lamp Lightning service is free for five years. pah they expect people to pay after? O_o
[00:44] <shauno> sounds reasonable enough
[00:45] <shauno> I mean, you'd be crazy to promise lifetime support when you're selling stuff that's so pointless you're not going to be in business next week
[00:46] <maps|wrk> yea
[00:46] <maps|wrk> but the actual concept? i dont see the need for it
[06:13] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:25] <mapps> morning MooDoo mate
[06:25] <MooDoo> how's it going mapps
[06:42] <mapps> not bad mate...u?
[06:42] <mapps> was just watching black gold:) always find theres stuff on between 6-8am i like watching
[07:56] <dwatkins> is that a TV channel, mapps?
[07:56] <mapps> its the show about drilling for oil..us show shown on ITV2/3 atn like 6/7am
[07:57] <mapps> just watched the following finale ;D
[07:57] <dwatkins> aha interesting
[07:57] <dwatkins> are there prizes? do they eject people from the house^W rig if they're naughty?
[07:58] <DJones> mapps: Has Bobby Ewing got out of the shower yet
[07:58] <mapps> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1239472/
[07:59] <mapps> i dont think so dwatkins
[07:59] <mapps> its just kinda interesting imo
[07:59] <dwatkins> yeah, I'm just kidding
[07:59] <mapps> you seen it? its decent enough
[07:59] <diplo> Morning all
[07:59] <mapps> morning diplo
[08:00] <mapps> the finale of the following was good too
[08:00] <dwatkins> no, I did enjoy Ice Road Truckers, though.
[08:00] <mapps> ah yea thats kinda cool
[08:01] <bashrc> morning
[08:02] <mapps> morning bashrc
[08:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:05] <mapps> sleep time for me now
[08:05] <mapps> think im the only one that works nights here heh
[08:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: You asked: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2014/04/how-to-install-a-squid-dansguardian-content-filter-on-ubuntu-server/
[08:22] <popey> yay
[08:35] <smittix> Morning all
[08:36] <MooDoo> howdy smittix
[08:36] <smittix> :D
[09:24] <brobostigon> [A
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:27] <dwatkins> hey brobostigon
[09:28] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[09:28] <andylockran> howdy all
[09:29] <brobostigon> morning andylockran
[09:29] <bashrc> morning
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning bashrc
[09:58] <BigRedS> does setting xdebug.profiler_enable to 0 effectively turn xdebug off (so I can rule that out as why everything's going slowly)?
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:59] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:59] <BigRedS> oh, and good morning everyone! :)
[10:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: Ow's Life up norff
[10:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: aye not bad lad
[10:23] <jussi> got a good laugh out of this... http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article/sorrynotsorry
[11:12] <ali1234> what browser is "browser"?
[11:12] <brobostigon> any of dozens of possibilities. :)
[11:13] <ali1234> it doesn't work properly anyway
[11:13] <brobostigon> which one?
[11:13] <ali1234> ubuntu browser
[11:14] <brobostigon> firefox, chromium, etc. ?
[11:14] <ali1234> no
[11:14] <ali1234> ubuntu web browser
[11:15] <ali1234> the web browser made by ubuntu
[11:15] <MooDoo> ali1234: there isn't such as thing
[11:15] <ali1234> popey: tell them ^
[11:15] <popey> Yup.
[11:15] <popey> oxide
[11:16] <ali1234> it doesn't appear to support javascript
[11:16] <popey> example site?
[11:16] <ali1234> dev.drumoff.tv click on the blue video thumbnails
[11:16]  * MooDoo shuts up, you're referring to mobile aren't you
[11:16] <popey> no, desktop
[11:16] <MooDoo> oh
[11:16] <ali1234> it's available on desktop too
[11:16] <popey> webbrowser-app html5test.com
[11:16] <popey> seems to show quite a bit of support
[11:17] <ali1234> it still have the mobile UI though, which makes it incredibly difficult to use, but hey, early days
[11:17] <jussi> waiiit.... what?
[11:17] <jussi> ubuntu wants to become google?
[11:17] <ali1234> also it isn't correctly preserving aspect ratio on divs
[11:17] <popey> ali1234: what doesn't work?
[11:17] <popey> (I mean, specifically on your site)
[11:17] <popey> I am seeing the nice pictures scrolling, cat!
[11:17] <ali1234> popey: click the blue video thumbnails - the videos don't play. it doesn't even load up
[11:17] <ali1234> compare the site on ... well pretty much anything else
[11:18] <popey> plays here
[11:18]  * popey watches someone drum
[11:18] <popey> mohawk!
[11:18] <ali1234> also if you horizontally resize the window, notice that the thumbnails aspect ratio isn't preserved
[11:18] <ali1234> oh yeah mohawk guy... well, why doesn't it work here?
[11:18] <popey> some do, some dont
[11:18] <popey> you're missing codecs
[11:18] <ali1234> hmm
[11:18] <popey> oxideqt-codecs-extra
[11:19] <popey> install that
[11:19] <ali1234> the horizontal resize/aspect ratio thing applies to the whole page... that's really weird
[11:19] <ali1234> well, it can't be codecs... the div doesn't even get replaced with the iframe
[11:20] <ali1234> in the jquery code, when you click a video, it gets the parent element of "Choose a video." and does .html('<iframe>...') on it
[11:20] <ali1234> that event isn't even firing here
[11:20] <ali1234> and yeah the resize thing is because it's resizing a bitmap while it rerenders the page properly
[11:21] <ali1234> still doesn't work with the codecs
[11:23] <popey> odd, works here.
[11:23] <ali1234> though the javascript must be running, because the thumbnail rows work okay
[11:23] <ali1234> can i get a debug console?
[11:23] <ali1234> object inspector?
[11:23] <popey> --inspector
[11:23] <popey>   --inspector        run a remote inspector on port 9221
[11:23] <ali1234> what's the command called?
[11:23] <popey>  webbrowser-app --inspector dev.drumoff.tv
[11:24] <popey> should do it?
[11:24] <popey> never used it myself..
[11:24] <ali1234> are you rnning a bleeding edge version or something?
[11:24]  * popey points at chrisccoulson
[11:24] <popey> trusty
[11:24] <ali1234> because i've only got whatever demo is in trusty
[11:24] <diplo> Anyone use php curl here ?
[11:24] <popey>   Installed: 0.23+14.04.20140416-0ubuntu1
[11:25] <diplo> On my local dev my code downloads images I'm trying to get fine, on my VPS it downloads as a 404 file, exactly the same code
[11:27] <ali1234> jsbin.com doesn't work at all for me
[11:27] <selinuxium> Hi all, anyone here had any experience with Spiceworks?
[11:54] <popey> Ooh, thunder
[12:05] <DJones> ...thunder...thunder...thundercats...hoooo
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> DJones: oh man I used to watch that :)
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> a *LOT*
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> back in the 80s?
[12:06] <diplo> heh, my kids are in to it in a big way now
[12:06] <diplo> And 80's sounds about right
[12:07] <DJones> Yeah, same here, it nice to relax to as a student
[12:08] <davmor2> DJones: see I see popey type thunder and I hear this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3SBzmDxGk
[12:09] <davmor2> curses youtube for ruining his childhood cartoon connection :)
[12:11] <DJones> I had either thundercats or "bolt and lightning, very, very frightening"
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> galileo?
[12:12] <DJones> Yep
[12:12] <davmor2> Figaro
[12:13] <MooDoo> da da da da da da da da da dadadada :)
[12:23] <DJones> Heh https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/486694_467187566724623_2128209998_n.png
[12:47] <MooDoo> DJones: oh that's fab :)
[12:48] <DJones> Made me smile anyway
[12:48] <MooDoo> me too I've shared it on FB
[12:50] <DJones> Wonder how long it'll be till McDonalds, Starbucks & Burger King try to get it taken down
[13:14] <ali1234> DJones: http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/31/de/e5/31dee50261eabeeb7fd0721308fb5a2d.jpg
[13:14] <ali1234> top left is relevant, the others are amusing too
[13:14] <DJones> Top left isscary
[14:56] <foobarry> if i am configuring calendars for the evlution data server, do i need evolution app too?
[14:56] <foobarry> i want to configure calendar apps that alelgedly support eds
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> no e-d-s is separate
[15:02] <popey> nope
[15:02] <popey> i dont have evolution installed and i use eds
[15:02] <popey> (we use it on the phone too)
[15:03] <foobarry> how does one config eds?
[15:04] <awilkins> I've just ignored eds since I've never found a way to integrate it with Thunderbird / Lightning / Google Calendar
[15:04] <popey> i only know the answer for ubuntu
[15:04] <awilkins> Is there a Calendar lens?
[15:05] <foobarry> popey: what's the answer for ubuntu pls?
[15:05] <foobarry> would be a start
[15:05] <popey> cog -> online accounts
[15:17] <foobarry> !info evolution-ews
[15:22] <foobarry> not in 12.04 :(
[15:38] <aquarius> popey, ping: what would you want to see in a syncthing indicator?
[15:39] <popey> aquarius: is it running, is there an update (shush about packaging), any transfers pending, whether every other machine is in sync or not
[15:40] <aquarius> OK, cool.
[15:41] <aquarius> I'll look at the updates stuff
[15:42] <popey> aquarius: buttons to pause/restart sync would be handy
[15:42] <popey> dunno if syncthing has an api to pause/restart sync
[15:44] <diplo> I couldn't get syncthing to work last time I tried
[15:44]  * diplo sets as a TODO for tomorrow
[15:45] <popey> updated mine to 0.8.2 today
[15:45] <aquarius> afaict you can't pause and restart from the web gui
[15:45] <aquarius> so there's no API
[15:45] <aquarius> the feature may not even exist
[15:45] <aquarius> you can of course entirely stop syncthing
[15:45] <aquarius> but how you do that is massively system-dependent
[15:46] <aquarius> on my machine you'd do "stop syncthing" but on yours probably not :P
[15:47] <diplo> https://github.com/calmh/syncthing - That the right one ?
[15:47] <popey> yes
[15:47] <diplo> Great thanks
[15:48] <popey> i love it ☻
[15:48] <diplo> I really like the look of it but couldn't get it to run between my machines
[15:48] <diplo> Would like to also do windows machines that I had an issue with
[15:53] <diplo> Do you just use it locally popey ?
[15:53] <popey> i use it between 3 machines at home
[15:53] <popey> i haven't yet exposed it to the outside
[15:54] <diplo> ah right, probably what I want to do.. but I'll try between this machine and a VM for a start I guess
[15:56]  * peng42phone waits for the bus back from Alton towers
[15:57] <Laney> man
[15:57] <Laney> aren't rainbow just a great band
[15:57]  * Laney inches closer to becoming his dad
[15:58] <peng42phone> Who?
[15:58] <Laney> rainbow
[15:59] <peng42phone> Never heard of them
[15:59] <Laney> i recommend changing that fact
[15:59] <bashrc> what genre?
[16:00] <Laney> i suspect you'd probably call them classic rock nowadays
[16:01] <peng42phone> A.t. was pretty much empty, walk on to most stuff (especially as single rider) and the weather has been great
[16:01] <peng42phone> Laney: what year where they big?
[16:03] <Laney> second half of the 70s to the 80s
[16:04] <peng42phone> Hmm, I do know a lot of the softer 70s stuff and more common stuff
[16:04] <Laney> you probably know since you've been gone
[16:06] <peng42phone> And anyway when people say rainbow I think zipper and bungle
[16:06] <peng42phone> Y
[16:07] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pz32na7dtmsk65k/IMG_20140429_170456.jpg
[16:07] <daftykins> glad these aren't for me
[16:07] <Laney> srsly
[16:08] <Laney> can't you get third party ones :(
[16:08] <daftykins> you can if you don't want them to last
[16:08] <ali1234> popey: i rewrote all my jquery and it works now in webbrowser-app... weird
[16:08] <daftykins> far too much cheap knock off stuff going on for lightning, if you check out amazon the reviews are not great
[16:09] <aquarius> popey, wanna try the indicator? It doesn't talk to actual syncthing yet because calmh hasn't written the events API, but you can experiment with it and send fake events
[16:10] <ali1234> i notice that webbrowser-app follows the same none-standard behaviour of safari and chrome, where it won't autoplay html5 video unless the user clicks the player once
[16:10] <Laney> webbrowser-app handily triggers a nouveau bug which locks up my machine
[16:11] <ali1234> this "feature" would be fine if there was a way to do feature detection on it, but there isn't :(
[16:11] <ali1234> the only way to detect it is to try to autoplay a video, wait 5 seconds, and then test if the video is hanging
[16:11] <peng42phone> Ali1234: hmm that sounds a reasonable feature frankly
[16:11] <ali1234> or do browser sniffing. both ways really suck
[16:12] <ali1234> yeah it's reasonable. it's only a feature on mobile devices
[16:12] <ali1234> so iphone and android
[16:12] <aquarius> that's not non-standard.
[16:12] <popey> aquarius: sure, in an hour, on a call.
[16:12] <ali1234> show me where it is documented how to tell whether a webbrowser will do this or not then
[16:13] <daftykins> auto video playback should be banned
[16:13] <aquarius> that you can't tell whether it's doing it or not does not mean that you're not allowed to do it. :)
[16:13] <peng42phone> Ali1234: I think I'd like it on desktop as well
[16:13] <aquarius> the standard actively encourages browser vendors to require user interaction
[16:13] <ali1234> you can disable autoplay on deskop too
[16:13] <aquarius> I agree that it's annoying that you can't tell whether it's happened!
[16:13] <aquarius> although...
[16:13] <ali1234> but the way it is implemented also prevent any site that wants to have a play button that is outside the video window
[16:14] <aquarius> can't you just check one second after the page loads whether the video is in playing state?
[16:14] <ali1234> and rather than say, just doing nothing, if you call playVideoById() on one of the non-standard implementations, it hangs the player on a black screen
[16:14] <ali1234> aquarius: no, because i am not trying to autoplay a video
[16:15] <ali1234> i am trying to implement a playlist, remember?
[16:15] <ali1234> the only problem for me is that 1. i need an annoying workaround in the code just for this case and 2. the user has to click twice instead of once before they can watch a video
[16:16] <aquarius> you could make the "play" button *be* the video element, and then just move it when they click on it ;)
[16:16] <ali1234> user has to click the playlist item for the video, and then click the play button in the video window. but only on mobile devices
[16:16] <bashrc> is there any way of showing bank holidays on the calendar, as in KDE?
[16:16] <ali1234> aquarius: no, impossible, because i am using youtube embeds
[16:16] <aquarius> ah
[16:21] <aquarius> popey, nw, let me know when
[16:42] <popey> aquarius: yo, around
[16:44] <aquarius> popey, git clone https://github.com/stuartlangridge/syncthing-ubuntu-indicator.git
[16:45] <aquarius> popey, edit syncthing-ubuntu-indicator.py line 58 and set it to wherever your syncthing is
[16:45] <aquarius> popey, run "python testserver.py" in a terminal
[16:45] <aquarius> popey, run "python syncthing-ubuntu-indicator.py" in another terminal
[16:46] <aquarius> then you can generate events in the testserver.py terminal by pressing keys 1-5
[16:46]  * peng42phone passes a sign 'Beware! Bikers'  I wonder if that's aims are 2 or 4 wheeled readers
[16:47] <popey> i see a cloud
[16:48] <aquarius> good. If you hit 3 in the testserver window, which is a "PULL_START" event (a file has started syncing down to this computer), the cloud should indicate that syncing is going on
[16:48] <aquarius> and there is information in the menu that syncing is going on
[16:48] <popey> the cloud does, it's grey though so hard to see
[16:49] <aquarius> hitting 4 in the testserver window will send a "PULL_COMPLETE" event (that file has now successfully synced to this machine), and the cloud should stop indicating that syncing is happening
[16:49] <popey> yup, that all works
[16:49] <aquarius> grey? shouldn't be; the cloud is white
[16:49] <aquarius> screenshot?
[16:50] <aquarius> basically, you've seen what it does, now -- the question is, what else should it show, and how? and does it need all the info that it currently displays?
[16:50] <popey> https://imgur.com/PS8ZUnA
[16:50] <popey> dropbox sync thing tells you which specific file is being synced which is nice to know
[16:51] <popey> "Oh, it's doing that giant file"
[16:51] <popey> "Oh, why is it syncing that, i thought I'd deleted it"
[16:51] <popey> etc
[16:51] <aquarius> ah, that's a good idea, yeah, I can do that
[16:51] <aquarius> wtf?
[16:51] <aquarius> ah.
[16:51] <popey> dropbox also has a recently changed files thing
[16:52] <aquarius> I used the same icon names as the sync menu
[16:52] <aquarius> I bet it's using the sync menu icons for you, not mine (which are very similar)
[16:52] <aquarius> I'll fix that
[16:52] <aquarius> and I'll show currently syncing files
[16:52] <popey> cool, thanks!
[16:52] <aquarius> and recent files (perhaps in a submenu)
[16:53] <shauno> 'recently changed' is ftw, that's the most common reason I use the dropbox icon rather than the folder
[16:53] <popey> its not stopping when i CTRL+C
[16:53]  * popey kills
[16:54]  * popey wanders off for a bit
[17:04] <popey> aquarius: also, notifications
[17:05] <popey> e.g. I see "17:14:45: Connection to Desktop closed: ping timeout" in the web UI
[17:05] <popey> that would do as a notification
[17:05] <popey> maybe
[17:36] <aquarius> popey, most of that stuff now fixed
[17:36] <popey> ooh
[17:36] <aquarius> popey, ^C works; you should get my icons now; recently synced and currently syncing
[17:36] <aquarius> I'm not sure about notifications
[17:37] <aquarius> it's really really irritating to get a zillion notifications...
[17:37] <aquarius> popey, update with "git pull", I think
[17:38] <popey> still grey
[17:38] <aquarius> rly?
[17:39] <popey> and ctrl+c still fails to kill it
[17:39] <aquarius> does "grep client-idle syncthing-ubuntu-indicator.py" show any lines?
[17:39] <aquarius> ok, I don't think you've got the newest version :)
[17:39] <aquarius> try "git pull origin master"
[17:39] <popey> oh, hang on
[17:39] <aquarius> man, I hate git :)
[17:40] <popey> pull failed because I edited it
[17:40] <aquarius> ah
[17:40] <aquarius> yeah
[17:40] <aquarius> you could edit it back
[17:40] <popey> nvm
[17:40] <popey> delete, re-clone
[17:40] <aquarius> or "git fetch" or "git merge" perhaps
[17:41] <aquarius> but just bin it and reclone is prolly easier ;)
[17:41] <popey> too much effort
[17:41] <popey> new ugly icon ☻
[17:42] <mapps> evening folks
[17:42] <aquarius> popey, ha!
[17:42] <aquarius> popey, bust out inkscape and do better ;)
[17:42] <popey> ☻
[17:44] <aquarius> popey, the rest should work though
[17:49] <popey> yup
[17:50] <aquarius> good. Anything else you think it should do, or that it does do that you think that it does not need?
[17:50] <aquarius> (note: it also will tell you about updates, if there are any)
[17:54] <aquarius> annoyingly, it needs a config window, I think
[17:54] <aquarius> unless reading syncthing's own config file is kosher
[18:06] <popey> aquarius: a link to the support disqus site?
[18:08] <aquarius> I think that reading syncthing's config file is kosher, so I'm gonna do that.
[18:08] <aquarius> No config windows for me; that's rubbish
[18:08] <aquarius> it makes the indicator feel like a separate app rather than part of syncthing.
[18:34] <TheProphet[S]> Hi all, trying to connect to wife from console, but dhclient hangs on dhcpdiscover
[18:34] <TheProphet[S]> To WiFi sorry
[18:35] <daftykins> lol
[18:35] <TheProphet[S]> I'm using wpa supplicant and the wext driver
[18:35] <daftykins> i was going to say, that protocol hasn't been refined yet
[18:35] <daftykins> does static addressing work?
[18:36] <neuro> GOOD EVENING PEOPLE, IT IS I, THE NEURO
[18:36] <daftykins> oh crikey not you!
[18:36] <daftykins> :D
[18:36] <ali1234> popey: git reset --hard HEAD && git clean -d -f
[18:37] <neuro> daftykins: YES, TIS I
[18:37] <daftykins> *gasp*
[18:38] <davmor2> neuro: seeing that statement now makes me wonder if it is actually you, or just an elaborate double bluff :)
[18:38] <neuro> TIS NOT AN ELABORATE BLUFF
[18:38] <neuro> LOOK AT MY USE OF CAPITALS
[18:38] <daftykins> ooh my, drama and intrigue in #ubuntu-uk
[18:38] <TheProphet[S]> Daftykins not sure about static addressing
[18:39] <daftykins> give it a try?
[18:39] <davmor2> neuro: but I haven't seen you use one yet I mean no LONDON, EDINBURGH nothing
[18:39] <daftykins> TheProphet[S]: though often no DHCP communications suggests a bad driver, or failed wireless key auth
[18:40] <neuro> London? Edinburgh?
[18:40] <neuro> I am in neither of these places
[18:41] <davmor2> neuro: no but they are CAPITALS :P
[18:42] <neuro> jpc
[18:42] <TheProphet[S]> I guess "network is unreachable" is not a good message to get when trying to ping
[18:42] <neuro> nope
[18:42] <daftykins> ^
[18:43] <TheProphet[S]> Maybe the syntax is wrong, but I followed how to on Ubuntu forum
[18:44] <mapps> hm
[18:44] <mapps> 9eps behind on hannibal serie 2
[18:46] <daftykins> TheProphet[S]: sometimes routers/APs in mixed-mode WPA1 and 2 can trip things up
[18:47] <TheProphet[S]> I'm probably doing something wrong
[18:49] <TheProphet[S]> I start with ifconfig wlan0 up
[18:51] <TheProphet[S]> Then wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[18:52] <TheProphet[S]> The conf file contains network={
[18:52] <TheProphet[S]> ssid="abcd"
[18:52] <TheProphet[S]> psk="pass"
[18:52] <TheProphet[S]> }
[18:53] <daftykins> !paste
[18:53] <daftykins> hopefully you have a space there "-c /etc/wpa_su..."
[18:54] <TheProphet[S]> I'm actually typing it sorry, I'm using my phone to chat because of no connection on PC
[18:54] <TheProphet[S]> There's no space on man pages between -c and path to file
[18:55] <daftykins> that seems odd
[18:56] <TheProphet[S]> I think wpa_supplicant works with no spaces, same goes for the driver wext option -D which becomes -Dwext
[18:58] <TheProphet[S]> Problem could be that when I start wpa_supplicant as stated above the daemon starts successfully but I get an Invalid Argument error twice
[18:58] <daftykins> yeah that's definitely not good
[18:58] <daftykins> your interface definitely is wlan0 then and not eth1 or something odd?
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> I installed a new machine last week, and it ended up with "p1p1" and "p3p1" instead of eth0 and eth1
[19:04] <TheProphet[S]> Yes it is wlan0
[19:05] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: heh, funky drivers?
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> apparently these names are "less confusing"?
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biosdevname/+bug/1293633
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-August/035670.html
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> it's because it's a server install
[19:10] <daftykins> hrmm
[19:16] <diddledan> morning
[19:16] <daftykins> howdy
[19:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[19:21] <daftykins> a wild czajkowski o/
[19:21] <diddledan> in the wild, too
[19:21] <czajkowski> nope actually in the UK and working
[19:22] <czajkowski> although boggling at gmail
[19:22] <czajkowski> webmail shows 88 in inbox
[19:22] <czajkowski> desktop client shows 112
[19:22] <czajkowski> no idea why the difference
[19:25] <daftykins> my Nexus 4 tells me i have '1 unread' when the inbox is at 0
[19:25] <daftykins> drives me mad but if you go through pages and pages not one appears unread XD
[19:25] <daftykins> could it be threading?
[19:26] <czajkowski> hmm possibly
[19:26] <czajkowski> trying to get to 0 before Friday
[19:26] <daftykins> *mission impossible theme*
[19:29] <diddledan> htf have I got 16.85million emails in my gmail account?!
[19:29] <diddledan> (apple's mail.app is still syncing after setting it up yesterday)
[19:29] <daftykins> O_O
[19:30] <daftykins> mail clients are so 2000's
[19:30] <czajkowski> I do love thunderbird
[19:30] <czajkowski> nothing has come close to replacing it
[19:30] <diddledan> yeah, but I like to pgp
[19:32] <daftykins> ugh i have a client with thunderbird, its' settings for accounts and storage just became far too confused
[19:32] <daftykins> they're too tight to let me have them all standardised with google apps
[19:32] <daftykins> mainly 'cause their current mail host keeps forgetting to charge them for anything, so their current fee = £0
[19:37] <penguin42> it's embarrassing when you realise a supplier has never asked you to pay for something
[19:38] <daftykins> :D
[19:38] <czajkowski> hah #78 take that
[19:38] <daftykins> a clients web hoster had a unique approach to finally asking for some money
[19:38] <daftykins> pulling the website with no warning
[19:38] <daftykins> \o/
[19:38] <penguin42> nasty
[19:39] <penguin42> daftykins: I've seen it where an electricity company only asked us to pay for 1 of 6 meters in a company I worked for - it took us a year or two to convince them we should be paying, and we were running a few 100A off it
[19:39] <daftykins> lol
[19:40] <daftykins> classic
[19:41] <penguin42> daftykins: It was after I went to look about adding more capacity and went to track down the details that I had to go look at the bill, and came to the conclusion we hadn't been paying for about 5 years
[19:42] <daftykins> that is some impressive stuff
[19:42] <penguin42> anyone got any idea what  http://imagebin.org/308206   text is - it's overlayed (with a load of other computery text) on 'The Smiler's funky displays
[19:44] <daftykins> hmm certainly getting nothing from Google from a guess of 'callPanelDivFreqInput'
[19:44] <aquarius> popey, syncthing indicator now reads your config file to know where syncthing is, so no more editing needed for you
[19:45] <popey> aquarius: sweet!
[19:45] <popey> thanks for working on that
[19:46] <aquarius> nw
[19:46] <aquarius> makes sense
[19:46] <aquarius> I'm the one who customised his syncthing port, after all :P
[19:49] <ali1234> penguin42: it's the log from some mobile phone
[19:49] <ali1234> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4EzzENTDmFgJ:home.educities.edu.tw/fushiyun2000/gameconsole_jxd_jxd_200_hardware_uart.htm+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=ubuntu
[19:50] <penguin42> ali1234: Since that says 'game console' and the other thing I found said playstation maybe it's more game dev?
[19:50] <ali1234> http://www.tripleoxygen.net/files/cybergame/log/minicom.cap1
[19:51] <ali1234> it's from some chinese fake-iphone thing that doesn't know if it's a phone or a games console
[19:52] <penguin42> oh weird, mention of eCos as well
[20:03] <aquarius> popey, something to think about: it's rare that you'd open the menu without a reason, which means that you are likely not to see that there's an update to syncthing
[20:04] <aquarius> popey, this suggests that there should be an icon for "there's an update available". So, two questions: what does it look like, and more importantly what happens if there's an update available *and* a file is syncing?
[20:04] <aquarius> perhaps some sort of "download arrow" overlay? but it's a pretty small icon to show that sort of thing
[20:05] <popey> it should change colour

[20:06] <directhex> um...
[20:06] <directhex> rip off sparkleshare? a down arrow overlay for downloading, an exclamation mark for "look at me"
[20:06] <directhex> (plus corresponding up arrow)
[20:06] <aquarius> to what? there's no standard highlight colour, I can't think of any particular colour which means "there are updates", symbolic icons are monochrome, and I'm already worried about what it looks like with the radiance theme :)
[20:06] <popey> blue
[20:06] <popey> messaging menu
[20:07] <aquarius> directhex, what happens if it needs looking at *and* it's downloading?
[20:07] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu/
[20:07] <aquarius> I already have circle arrows for "stuff is syncing" and an exclamation point (plus red icon) for "there is an error"
[20:07] <popey> arrow in it, and blue
[20:07] <aquarius> popey, ya, but that's calling for attention. Is "there's an update" worthy of calling for attention?
[20:07] <popey> yes
[20:08] <popey> rarely enough
[20:08] <ali1234> why aren't updates handled by the normal package manager?
[20:08] <popey> they could be if it was packaged
[20:08] <aquarius> ali1234, because nobody's packaged it yet
[20:08] <ali1234> seems like the answer is obvious then
[20:08] <aquarius> sure thing. Let me know when you've packaged it. :)
[20:09] <ali1234> i don't even use it. why would i package it?
[20:09] <ali1234> i don't even know what it is :)
[20:09] <aquarius> you said the answer was obvious; I assumed you meant that it was clear that you should package it ;)
[20:09] <aquarius> you can't have meant it was obvious that *I* should package it; I know nothing about debian packaging. :)
[20:10] <ali1234> no, i mean the answer is you shouldn't worry about it
[20:10] <popey> I'm inclined to agree. you shouldn't have to
[20:10] <popey> that way lies windows nagware
[20:10] <aquarius> the reason knowing about updates is important is that it's still moving really fast, and if you upgrade one node it breaks all the others :P
[20:10] <ali1234> when there are updates it should pop up a fullscreen modal dialog saying "please package this application"
[20:10]  * aquarius laughs!
[20:11] <aquarius> I don't understand why you're not on the design team. I think they're missing an important voice. :)
[20:11] <directhex> no no no, you're going about it all wrong
[20:11] <directhex> it should not report that it has updates
[20:11] <directhex> the standalone updater app, with its own tray icon, has that job
[20:11] <aquarius> so, two suggestions so far: go blue (popey), overlay some sort of icon (directhex)
[20:11] <directhex> this also works around your "how to show update AND sync icon" dilema
[20:12] <ali1234> yes, bring back the update notifier tray icon
[20:12] <directhex> the updater app can show a modal dialogue on boot!
[20:12] <ali1234> removing it was stupid, now i have to deal with that weird popup thing stealing focus all the time
[20:12] <ali1234> of course this won't help if it isn't packaged, but there you go
[20:13] <popey> "all the time"
[20:13] <popey> I never see it
[20:13] <directhex> the updater app can also helpfully install a browser toolbar on every update, unless you tick the hidden tickbox
[20:13] <ali1234> it pops up multiple times every day
[20:13] <ali1234> it pops up after every time i do "sudo apt-get update"
[20:14] <diddledan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVwAodrjZMY lol @ the bot
[20:14] <ali1234> and then it pops up again when "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" finishes, to tell me to reboot
[20:14] <ali1234> and if i just close it, it pops up again after about 8 hours
[20:15] <ali1234> also all of my indicators are broken - whenever i try to use them i get dbus permission errors, ever since i installed ubuntu-sdk
[20:17] <ali1234> gnome-15 is also broken
[20:18] <ali1234> looks like installing ubuntu-desktop^ and ubuntu-sdk turned my system into a locked-down mobile-style thing where i can't touch anything or it crashes
[20:24] <ali1234> i think placekitten has banned me :)
[20:25] <penguin42> oh dear, ff29 is rolling out to trusty - and changing the whole layout to users during a normal upgrade
[20:25] <ali1234> nah, it's barely different
[20:25] <ali1234> the biggest difference is the fugly tabs
[20:25] <penguin42> ali1234: The hidden menu bar is the problem
[20:25] <ali1234> it's not hidden tho
[20:25] <penguin42> well, it certainly changed
[20:26] <penguin42> ali1234: I bet that'll fox a lot of non-technical users
[20:26] <aquarius> menu bar isn't hidden; the global menu is still just as it was before, according to chrisccoulson
[20:26] <penguin42> aquarius: Bzzt - not here
[20:26] <ali1234> yes, or if you use a real desktop, you get a real menu bar just as before
[20:26] <ali1234> you have the unremovable hamburger thing as well
[20:26] <penguin42> ok, on Kubuntu it changed
[20:26] <aquarius> ah. I don't know about Kubuntu.
[20:26] <ali1234> works fine on xfce
[20:27] <penguin42> It's easy enough to find the preferences thing and reenable display of menubar, but it's going to fox non-techies
[20:27] <ali1234> non-techies should not be using KDE
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> i suspect these non-techies (ie, the other 400 million firefox users) probably won't care about the menubar when the functionality they use is accessible via the main menu panel
[20:27] <penguin42> chrisccoulson: They'll need showing where it is
[20:28] <aquarius> it's going to fox non-techies who are running Ubuntu and have installed an alternative desktop, yep. Why aren't Kubuntu distro-patching it, then? Ubuntu are, in order that it fits in with their desktop.
[20:28] <penguin42> aquarius: Because it's not their fault - it's Firefox's/packagers for changing the default like that
[20:28] <ali1234> xfce certainly haven't patched it and it has a menu bar by default - or at least if you upgrade your profile
[20:28]  * penguin42 doesn't know this is only KDE - I'm just saying what I just hit as the upgrade hit here
[20:29] <aquarius> chrisccoulson, I am mildly disappointed that we need to distro patch it and FF upstream aren't doing that -- I bet they are for Mac, for example.
[20:29] <ali1234> i have even disabled all the ubuntu extensions
[20:29] <ali1234> maybe if you have never ever toggled the menu bar on/off it will hide it by default
[20:30] <chrisccoulson> aquarius, there's a bug open, but I just don't have time to drive our patch through their review process atm. somebody is more than welcome to pick that up (and mozilla are open to having that functionality included)
[20:30] <aquarius> chrisccoulson, ah, they're happy to take it? Then fair play, and I apologise for doubting; if it's just going to take time to have that happen, that's cool with me
[20:30] <penguin42> It's going to be a PITA for people with non-tech relatives/or labs full of stuff
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> penguin42, it's nobodies fault. the UX design of firefox doesn't include a menubar, because it doesn't really need one. the only reason unity (and mac) have one is because there's a global menubar that isn't part of the app
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> seriously, 400 million users are not going to be complaining that they no longer have a menubar that they didn't previously need to use anyway
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> you're in a very small minority

[20:32] <aquarius> man, it really isn't. It works on at least two major Ubuntu desktops without change; Firefox shows you a nice upgrade thing; it's now the same as Chrome; and saying "the menu is now here" is really not hard. My dad adapted to the window buttons being on the other side in seconds, he really did, despite everyone saying that naive users would now abandon their computers for abaci because of it
[20:34] <ali1234> neither is saying "right click on the new menu thing and tick menu bar"
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i suspect it's not going to be a problem. chrome doesn't have a menubar, and I don't think IE11 does either (i could be wrong there)
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> the small number of people who want to reenable it in firefox will be able to figure out how to
[20:36] <ali1234> chrome is really horrible for webdev :/
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> in fact, the firefox menubar has been disabled on non-linux platforms since firefox 4 anyway
[20:37] <chrisccoulson> IIRC, they used the firefox button on the left-hand side instead
[20:37] <ali1234> yeah. you could enable that in ff28 by hiding the menu bar, but now that's gone unless you use classic theme restorer
[20:43] <penguin42> chrisccoulson: My concern here isn't the lack/presence of it - my concern is just the change
[20:50] <penguin42> curious, I've been out all day and the number of from-internet surewall warnings has been much lower than previous days, but it seems to have started going back up after I got in and started browsing - I wonder if I'm blocking something useful or it's just something spots an active IP somehow
[20:52] <diddledan> it's the NSA have spotted you're at home - they were attacking your phone while you were out
[20:53] <diddledan> :-p
[20:53] <diddledan> sorry, been watching snowden
[20:53] <penguin42> yess....
[21:49] <czajkowski>  whooo #36
[21:49] <czajkowski> may have to call it a night!
[21:53] <diddledan> o_O
[22:16] <maps|wrk> hai
[22:45] <diddledan> ello maps|wrk
[22:51] <maps|wrk> hey diddledan
[22:51] <maps|wrk> up to much?
[22:53] <diddledan> right at this second I'm reading that harry split with his g/f (prince harry)
[22:53] <diddledan> other than that nowt
[23:03] <maps|wrk> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b042m637/My_Brother_the_Terrorist/
[23:03] <maps|wrk> watching that atm
[23:31] <maps|wrk> pah barmy women, her son gets convicted of terrorist activities, trying to make bombs all that lot and she says he 'deserves' anothger chance
[23:31] <maps|wrk> pff
[23:32] <shauno> I'm glad there was no such thing when I was a kid.  because a lot of what I called "being a kid" would probably be called domestic terrorism these days
[23:33] <maps|wrk> heh
[23:34] <maps|wrk> this guy was in his 20s and buying chemicals trying to make bombsa
[23:34] <maps|wrk> think his mum struggles to understand tyhe meaning of the word 'deserves'
[23:54] <diddledan> I've just got to the bit
[23:54] <diddledan> "he spent all his time online" <-- that's me
[23:54] <maps|wrk> yea and how he played games..yea because thats likely the cause
[23:55] <maps|wrk> il scour iplayer see if theres anything else i fancy watching :)
[23:57] <maps|wrk> hmm madagascar on there..not seen that


[01:18] <mick_laptop> danilos: you in?
[01:18] <wgrant> mick_laptop: Unlikely at this hour.
[01:19] <mick_laptop> ah ok
[05:03] <jmarsden> What is the expected delay time when requesting an import of code into LP/bzr from git?  Minutes?  Hours?  Days?
[05:06] <wgrant> jmarsden: Your two should start within a few minutes. I'm not sure how big they are.
[05:06] <jmarsden> Smallish.  Thanks!
[05:06] <wgrant> jmarsden: There's a bit more load than usual at the moment, due to some fixes last week that mean more are working, so there's a bit of catching up to do.
[05:17] <wgrant> jmarsden: It may be a little while longer than I thought. There's still a backlog of around 200 imports (but it was 3k a couple of days ago, so it's just about caught up)
[05:17] <jmarsden> wgrant: Ah, OK :)  Sounds like I should find something else to do for a while :)
[05:18] <wgrant> jmarsden: The actual import should take less than a minute.
[05:19] <jmarsden> wgrant: So... 200 minutes to go before I get my turn, maybe?
[05:20] <wgrant> jmarsden: Not quite. One is running now.
[05:20] <jmarsden> Hmmm, looks like it just did something to one of them :)
[05:20] <wgrant> Although it's on an old slow machine :(
[05:20] <wgrant> Oh, and one's done already.
[05:20] <wgrant> And indeed took 40s.
[05:20] <wgrant> And the other is just finishing up.
[05:21] <jmarsden> Great.  I
[05:21] <StevenK> So the answer is "Minutes"
[05:21] <jmarsden> I'm hoping to make daily build packages for these so we get more testers of the code before an upstream source code release.
[05:23] <wgrant> jmarsden: Great! That's the purpose of daily builds :)
[05:24] <jmarsden> I would have tried this sooner, but I only realized the git-to-bzr import thing is what I needed today; I created a recipe before, but for a project where the sources were already in LP bzr...
[09:41] <Laney> is the syncSource method still not turned on?
[09:42] <Laney> (for the likes of me)
[09:48] <wgrant> Laney: For the Ubuntu primary archive? No.
[09:48] <wgrant> Laney: Copying into there is a much more difficult ordeal that PPA copying, due to overrides and announcements and queues and permissions. But it's just being finished up now.
[09:49] <bigjools> it's being done for derivatives syncing first
[09:55] <geser> I've read "derivatives" several times already but still have no idea what whose are in this context. "forks" of Ubuntu?
[10:10] <jmarsden> geser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives
[10:13] <Laney> wgrant: Yeah, OK. I just looked at the devel API docs and saw it there — prompted by the localpackagediffs enablement. Maybe it's been there for ages.
[10:14] <wgrant> Laney: It's been there since 2008. It's used between PPAs and by the security team.
[10:14] <Laney> fair
[10:14] <wgrant> Laney: That page will have a sync button soon.
[10:14] <Laney> I saw the sync button on the dogfood version :-)
[10:14] <wgrant> Well, it does already, but it's not enabled yet. Announcements/permissions/overrides/timeouts aren't quite sorted yet.
[10:46] <bigjools> jmarsden: that is not a derivative in the same sense.  We're talking derivatives like Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian.
[11:20] <persia> bigjools: Many of the things listed on that page fall into that category (e.g. Fluxbuntu, Nexenta, Mint, Mepis).
[11:21] <bigjools> persia: ?
[11:22]  * persia fails at timestamps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives vs. LP derivatives.  The ones I listed *could* be LP derivatives, if that was present in the past (at least Nexenta would surely have been so)
[11:23] <bigjools> ok
[11:24] <persia> Sorry: it all would have made more sense had I posted 30 minutes earlier.
[11:31] <henninge> maxb: Hi!
[11:31] <maxb> Hi henninge
[11:31] <henninge> maxb: I have a question about https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/161575
[11:32] <henninge> maxb: The project he mentions seems to be gone. Do you know if anybody took already action?
[11:32] <maxb> afk ~15mins rightnow, will look after
[11:32] <henninge> maxb: ok, thanks
[11:32] <geser> bigjools: are there any LP derivatives currently?
[11:33] <bigjools> geser: Ubuntu!
[11:33] <wgrant> henninge: pantheon-desktop, not panthon-desktop
[11:33] <henninge> ah, theses little things
[11:33] <henninge> thanks wgrant
[11:37] <geser> bigjools: if Ubuntu is a LP derivative how does this match that LP derivates get syncSource sooner that the Ubuntu main archive? where did I misunderstood something?
[11:38] <bigjools> geser: syncSource is nothing to do with derivatives
[11:38] <bigjools> we've added a way of syncing between derivatives
[11:38] <bigjools> at some point I will make syncSource also use that way so that people can push PPA packages into the Ubuntu queue.
[11:39] <geser> ah
[11:39] <wgrant> (if the current syncSource backend still exists in 12 months I will be rather sad)
[11:40] <bigjools> geser: the upshot, though, is that the actual package copy will get done asynchronously
[11:40] <henninge> maxb: nm, it's solved
[11:40] <bigjools> right now the call returns when the synchronous copy is finished
[11:41] <bigjools> so it's a bit of a change for clients to deal with
[11:42] <wgrant> bigjools: We should probably leave the synchronous API there -- it can be changed to fire off a job and then await completion.
[11:42] <wgrant> Assuming we have a message queue...
[11:42] <bigjools> wgrant: no no no
[11:42] <bigjools> that will hold webapp threads open
[11:43] <bigjools> it needs some thought if you want that kind of api
[11:43] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:43] <wgrant> But we have to be careful if we are going to break stuff :)
[11:43] <bigjools> sometimes you gotta break some eggs
[11:57] <maxb> bigjools: making syncSource asynchronous WILL break lots of API scripts
[11:58] <maxb> So, please don't :-)
[11:58] <bigjools> maxb: exactly.  But at the same time when people whinge at me for it timing out, this is the solution :)
[11:59] <maxb> People wanting to copy 1 source from one PPA to another PPA feels like a pretty common operation, and having success/failure notification is important
[12:00] <bigjools> yes
[12:00] <bigjools> it's why I've not enabled any of it yet
[12:01] <maxb> henninge-lunch: Re "If you want to get rid of it, please turn it over (i.e. change the owner) to registry." - he won't be able to see the project any more, since it is deactivated
[12:01] <henninge-lunch> maxb: oh, I forgot about that
[12:28] <Quintasan> maxb: ping
[12:28] <maxb> pong
[12:28] <Quintasan> maxb: https://code.launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/telepathy-kde/debian-telepathy-kde-accounts-kcm
[12:28] <Quintasan> Any idea what's wrong with that?
[12:39] <maxb> Quintasan: Leading space on the URL :-)  Fixed.
[12:39] <Quintasan> maxb: :O Thanks!
[12:48] <RAOF> Hm.  I've just got an odd rejection email from launchpad claiming I uploaded mesa/7.10.3-0ubuntu1 to the “guido-iodice-kernel-and-driver” PPA.  I'm quite certain I did not.
[12:49] <bigjools> StevenK:
[12:49] <bigjools> ^^ oops
[12:49] <bigjools> RAOF: someone else reported that bug the other day
[12:49] <wgrant> RAOF: Are you mentioned in changed-by?
[12:50] <RAOF> I uploaded the package to oneiric?
[12:51] <RAOF> Might this be triggered by someone trying to copy that package to their natty PPA?
[12:51] <RAOF> Full email is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/627920
[12:51] <bigjools> yeah probably
[12:51] <wgrant> RAOF: Ah, that's a build.
[12:51] <wgrant> RAOF: Someone copied without binaries, then quickly deleted it while the build was still going.
[12:52] <bigjools> this is the bug that steve fixed I think?
[12:52] <wgrant> This is indeed a StevenK bug.
[12:52] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  Should have noticed the _i386.changes.
[12:52] <bigjools> or a new one?
[12:52] <wgrant> bigjools: This was introduced by the refactor.
[12:52] <wgrant> bigjools: It's meant to result in a failedtoupload build.
[12:52] <wgrant> Instead an email was sent about the upload...
[12:52] <bigjools> yep - but he fixed something to do with BFN the other day
[12:52] <wgrant> Not sure why.
[12:53] <Quintasan> maxb: bzr dailydeb still does not work with source format 3.0 quitl?
[12:53] <wgrant> He fixed something about empty recipient lists.
[12:53] <wgrant> Or was there something else?
[12:53] <bigjools> ah that was it
[12:53] <wgrant> RAOF: Could you file a bug?
[12:54] <maxb> Quintasan: I'm unaware of anything significant changing in that recently - you want to talk to james_w if you want a forecast of what will happen in the future regarding that
[12:54] <Quintasan> Oh, I see
[12:54] <maxb> New enough versions may, however, force the format to 3.0 (native) if doing so would avoid a build failure
[12:55]  * Quintasan doesnt like taking upstream work and branching it just to change source format to native
[12:56] <maxb> Quintasan: Actually, it must just work now, because we're not maintaining any of that sort of branch for the bzr daily ppa
[12:58] <adeuring> henninge: ^^^
[13:01] <henninge> adeuring: Thanks
[13:08] <wgrant> Daviey: Hi.
[13:08] <Daviey> wgrant: Hello!
[13:09] <wgrant> Daviey: "The current autogenerated diff per source package doesn't cut it for merges, as it includes the Debian changes.  I want to view just what the merge delta was."
[13:09] <wgrant> Daviey: +localpackagediffs provides diffs from base->debian and base->ubuntu. Is that not sufficient?
[13:09] <Daviey> wgrant: where base is current archive package?
[13:10] <wgrant> Daviey: No, the last common ancestor.
[13:10] <wgrant> eg. assuming we have 1.2-3ubuntu1 in Ubuntu and 1.2-4 in Debian, it will diff between 1.2-3 and each of those.
[13:10] <wgrant> So you can see the changes that were made by each distro.
[13:13] <Daviey> wgrant: Hmm, let me have another poke.
[13:14] <Daviey> wgrant: I think that is exactly what i want :)
[13:14] <Daviey> just waiting for the diffs to generate.
[13:15] <wgrant> The cron job is not quite optimally fast yet.
[13:15] <Daviey> hmm.. seems to require request per package to generate the diff, no?
[13:15] <StevenK> Yes, it does.
[13:15] <StevenK> The diffs can be quite large
[13:16] <Daviey> understood.
[13:16] <Daviey> So will it be possible for me to say, generate a diff for a Lucid merge that happend?
[13:18] <Daviey> As in, is it a oneiric and future thing.. or retrospective aswell?
[13:18] <Daviey> and posible to view delta from the common base of various uploads, rather then just current archive?
[13:18] <Daviey> Also, can i have a moon on a stick please? :)
[13:19] <Daviey> Honestly tho, I am really rather impressed with what has been done so far.
[13:19] <Daviey> Eventually, i'll be deprecated with a script.
[14:53] <Daviey> ScottK: Do you realise your discussion on ubuntu-devel regaridng the new diff feature sound awfully like, "This is shit, don't bother"?
[14:54] <Daviey> I hope/suspect that isn't the intention, but I did get that taste from it.
[14:55] <ScottK> Daviey: From the perspective of a MoM replacement it's currently completely inadequate and that's immediately obvious to the most casual observer.  I don't think the focus of the work was to replace MoM, so this isn't surprising.
[14:55] <ScottK> So I'd say 'it doesn't do this thing it wasn't meant to do' was what I was getting across.
[14:56] <ScottK> The problem isn't the page, but the email suggesting that would be a good place to leave comments about pending merges.
[14:56] <ScottK> If it's desirable for LP to replace MoM in some way then I think it's good to have a discussion about what the requirements are.
[14:57] <Daviey> ScottK: it's clearly work in process, and a first cut.
[14:57] <ScottK> That discussion needs to be more than "ScottK files bugs."
[14:57] <Daviey> ScottK: agreed, but leaving a taste of "why bother, it's useless" is not exactly motivating.
[14:57] <bigjools> :/
[14:58] <Daviey> ScottK: I agree a discussion is useful, but i don't feel you did that.
[14:58] <ScottK> If there was a 'why bother' in my reply it was why should I bother to file bugs about what it doesn't do that MoM does since it's pretty obvious.
[14:58] <Daviey> I also agree that filing bugs is not necessarily the correct solution to have a generic discussion tho.
[14:58] <Daviey> ScottK: then why not just not enter the discussion?
[14:59] <Daviey> This conversation feels like Deja vu.
[14:59] <ScottK> I'm not aware there is one.  The only response from anyone on the LP team was that I should file bugs.
[15:00] <bigjools> the intention was to make something useful for OEMs and Linaro
[15:00] <ScottK> When I tested this feature at UDS the context was about providing tools to allow people to drive their own syncs.  Being a MoM replacement wasn't discussed, IIRC.
[15:01] <ScottK> bigjools: Right, so I think it's not at all surprising it doesn't do something it wasn't meant to do.
[15:01] <bigjools> there's clearly a lot of work to do to replace MoM
[15:01] <spiv> Daviey: If the suggestion/implication from the start of the thread to leave comments on that page rather than on MoM was misguided or premature in ScottK's view, then it seems reasonable for him to say so.
[15:01] <bigjools> but I intend to supersede MoM at some point
[15:02] <ScottK> OK.  Then I think we ought to have a requirements discussion about that for some future (I assume) LEP.
[15:02] <bigjools> yup
[15:02] <Daviey> spiv: Well yes. I agree with that.. but he didn't question IF it was supposed to be a MoM replacement or not?  So surely that goal was not achieved.
[15:03] <Daviey> All i am trying to suggest is, that i felt demotivating reading that mail - and i'm not even a LP developer :)
[15:03] <spiv> Daviey: well, not demotivating valuable contributors like ScottK is important too :)
[15:04] <spiv> Daviey: I see what you mean, although my reading of those posts was less harsh than yours I think.
[15:04] <Daviey> spiv: ok, great - if i see WIP that is incomplete.. i'll let you know that it is crap.  Please can we have dak back please?
[15:05] <ScottK> Daviey: I think you're over-reacting.
[15:05] <ScottK> It's a start.
[15:05] <ScottK> Once the sync button is there it'll be a REALLY useful start for Ubuntu.
[15:28] <bigjools> ScottK: who can moderate my messages to ubuntu-devel?
[15:29] <ScottK> I'm not sure who all can, but cjwatson is one that I know can do it.
[15:29] <bigjools> ok thanks
[15:29] <ScottK> you're welcome.
[15:29] <Daviey> i can.
[15:30] <bigjools> ah ok thanks
[15:30] <apw> anyone know if you can have more than one "Release URL Pattern" for a project?  for the kernel -rcN's are dropped in a differnt place to main releases and i'd like to include both
[15:30] <Daviey> bigjools: approved
[15:30] <bigjools> Daviey: permanently? :)
[15:30] <bigjools> I might have to reply a few times
[15:31] <Daviey> bigjools: Sorry, i can't do that :(
[15:32] <bigjools> oh well
[15:32] <bigjools> Daviey: so how much of the diff stuff on your email to -devel is relevant after the earlier conversation on here?
[15:33] <nigelb> bigjools: cjwatson has the power to do that :)
[15:33] <bigjools> ah
[15:33]  * nigelb has been approved before
[15:34] <bigjools> Daviey: packagesets are done BTW, just waiting for a rollout
[15:34] <Daviey> bigjools: Being able to have historic diff data is useful.. might be out of scope?
[15:34] <Daviey> nigelb: bigjools was asking about blanket whitelisting
[15:35] <nigelb> Daviey: yes, that's what I meant.
[15:35] <bigjools> Daviey: historic debdiff or version diffs?
[15:35] <nigelb> Daviey: I've been blanket whitelisted I believe.
[15:35] <Daviey> oh.
[15:35] <nigelb> This was when I did have to mail devel frequently.
[15:36] <nigelb> But then, I sent a few mails and then got whitelisted
[16:53] <persia> What's the difference between an "ignored" package and a "non-ignored" package on the distroseries derivations page?
[17:57] <tumbleweed> any way to link bugs to specifications via the API? Looks like the UI way isn't AJAX, and $spec.bugs_collection is read-only according to the API docs
[18:00] <SudoKing> k so i meant to delete my signature w/ key from ubuntu code of conduct so I could sign it again w/ a new key and clicked deactivate... i don't seem to be able to sign it again
[18:02] <SudoKing> I think I figured it out :)
[19:25] <abentley> tumbleweed: I don't think there's a way at the moment.
[19:26] <tumbleweed> abentley: thanks for confirming that


[15:27] <jeronimo> hmmz I tried 3.2 , failed to startup the services. In 3.1 I can no longer provision my old servers. They are stuck in the rebooting phase while they already have been rebooted
[15:29] <jeronimo> it used to work fine :/


[00:42] <episteme> exit
[00:49] <metbsd> how do i use vnc to view a remote display?
[00:53] <oerheks> what have you found sofar, metbsd ?
[00:57] <metbsd> so far, no success
[01:49] <zenn> hello guys just a small issue
[01:49] <zenn> my script stopped working in the startup
[01:49] <zenn> https://github.com/hexvalid/Linux-CapsLock-Delay-Fixer
[01:51] <zenn> There is a delay while switching to lowercase... That problem occurs in every Linux-based operating system since years and it is still not fixed. I've tried different desktop computers, laptops, netbooks. Still same.
[01:51] <zenn> really appreciate if someone fix this issue.
[01:52] <oerheks> did you file a bugreport, or add yourself to an existing ubuntu bugreport, not github?
[01:53] <zenn> well mostly it goes unignore
[01:53] <zenn> ignore*
[01:53] <zenn> the issue is with xorgserver
[01:56] <oerheks> assumptions, as you cannot show your bugreport.
[01:58] <zenn> okay this is odd my script isnt working anymore
[01:59] <zenn> it does not startup automaticaly
[02:42] <Geo> Hi, my new laptop w/ 20.04 on it freezes after it suspends- relevant syslog is at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/htjQVDyVqY/ if anyone has ideas on a cause
[02:42] <Geo> and part b) I can't figure out how to disable 'suspend'
[02:42] <Geo> Under the 'power' settings, 'automatic suspend' is turned off for 'plugged in'
[03:08] <Zilenc3> Hey I have a computer which has VGA and DVI output. Xubuntu detects both. The TV saw the DVI signal on BIOS splash screen, but even though its recognized in "Display" and is seemingly active, there's no signal to the second display (TV).
[03:13] <Zilenc3> Scratch that - Old PC didn't have 120Hz output available.
[03:32] <zenn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1918224
[03:32] <zenn> filed an report for the issue
[03:32] <zenn> it is annoying and hopes someone look into it
[03:33] <Bashing-om> zenn: :D 1st step ^ done .
[03:34] <zenn> it wont be fixed trust me
[03:34] <zenn> I'm talking about a bug has been around since 2009
[03:34] <eelstrebor> i have 2 computers with 20.04 - one has ping in the /usr/bin directory and the other has it in the /bin directory - why?
[03:34] <zenn> it has been 10 years and expect it to be fixed now
[03:36] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: was either of those computers upgraded from 18.04 or a previous version?
[03:39] <zenn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1376903
[03:39] <zenn> read this
[03:42] <leftyfb> zenn: the bug has been reported. There's nothing left to do here now. The Ubuntu devs don't typically hang around here. They certainly don't fix bugs because someone complained about them here. All you can do now is wait.
[03:43] <zenn> well yeah sadly I know they dont
[03:43] <zenn> it is painful to wait for 10 years and the bug isnt fixed at all
[03:44] <leftyfb> zenn: good luck
[03:44] <zenn> sure.
[03:45] <eelstrebor> leftyfb, one was an upgrade from 18.04, the other a fresh install
[03:46] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: that is probably why
[03:46] <eelstrebor> ok
[04:10] <Rockwood> no help
[04:10] <Rockwood> rockwood@cyberia:~$ ls -l /var/www/criminalimpulse
[04:10] <Rockwood> total 927
[04:10] <Rockwood> drwxrwx--- 1 root vboxsf      0 Sep 23 18:57 app
[04:10] <Rockwood> again similar result
[04:10] <Rockwood> after restart
[04:11] <Rockwood> any solution
[04:12] <Rockwood> of my problem
[04:17] <Rockwood> vboxsf:x:998:rockwood,www-data <--- in  /etc/group
[04:18] <Rockwood> everything looks fine
[04:19] <Rockwood> but why its not
[04:23] <Kraus> Did something change with LUKS between 20.04 and 20.10? Installing Ubuntu Studio 20.10 (using KDE Plasma), the recommending to encrypt /boot ... afaik that was never a thing before.
[04:24] <Kraus> Granted, it's a welcome change. Just confusing the hell out of me.
[04:27] <Rockwood> Kraus, me??
[04:27] <Kraus> Beg your pardon?
[04:44] <guiverc> ubuntu studio use calamares in 20.10; used ubiquity in 20.04 & before  (installers)
[05:09] <isapgswell> what the default opencl in a multigpu scenario?
[05:09] <isapgswell> intel + nvidia
[05:14] <arunkumar413> Hi All
[05:27] <ASDX> am getting following error when trying to configure 'apt' (to install some packages with the "packages:" stanza) with a pretty basic autoinstall (network is up and running on the install). are there any requirements for the apt sources to resolve?:     W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/InRelease  Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[05:27] <arunkumar413> which display server is going to be the default in ubuntu?
[05:30] <arunkumar413> @ASDX, did you  try sudo apt-get update?
[05:31] <ASDX> arunkumar413: this is part of an automated autoinstall build so hoping to get it working in that
[05:34] <arunkumar413> @ASDX, how are you configuring the apt?
[05:36] <ASDX> pretty much the same as used in https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-reference
[05:41] <arunkumar413> Can you  share the apt part of the json schema?
[05:43] <arunkumar413> ASDX, try with geoip false https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-reference#apt
[05:43] <ASDX> arunkumar413: sure. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X453zHVYCS/ will try with false
[07:11] <isapgswell> hi
[07:11] <isapgswell> is that possible to loopback: LOCAL, UNKNOWN and PARANOID
[07:12] <isapgswell> like ( /etc/hosts ) : <IP_ADDRESS> LOCAL <IP_ADDRESS> UNKNOWN
[07:13] <isapgswell> <IP_ADDRESS> PARANOID
[07:46] <HoLyDea7h> Hey guys can xubuntu with xfce 4.16 be repaired from live usb ?
[07:46] <HoLyDea7h> my system is so broken
[07:52] <HoLyDea7h> anyone?
[07:53] <ThinkT510> broken how?
[07:59] <summonner> https://blog.softexpert.com/en/how-to-describe-problem/
[08:11] <cbreak> you could reinstall everything from the usb stick
[08:12] <ThinkT510> probably best knowing what the issue is before suggesting a complete reinstall
[08:35] <guiverc> HoLyDea7h, you can do an 'unclean' install; something-else; use existing partitions wihtout format & it'll erase system directories, install new system, then attempt to add back additional packages you had added to your system (if available from Ubuntu repos); but if issue is a broken user config (in $HOME or user directory) the issue will remain.. back to ThinkT510's comment
[09:38] <Xatenev_> hello
[09:38] <Xatenev_> does anyone have a clue how to debug random full pc freezes?
[09:38] <remhaze> Hi
[09:39] <remhaze> Something should caracteristic this freeze.
[09:39] <remhaze> Mine was caused by my processor, the baytrail processor have random freeze which need to reboot eh computer
[09:40] <remhaze> Didi you do something before it freeze. Your computer is old ?
[09:41] <Xatenev_> nope, my pc is quite good
[09:41] <Xatenev_> and it doesn't happen on windows ( i have dual boot )
[09:41] <Xatenev_> at some days, my pc is running fine for ~6 hours, sometimes it crashes twice in 2 hours
[09:41] <Xatenev_> and I kinda do the same thing every day, start the same programs, do the same stuff etc
[09:42] <Xatenev_> the only thing that helps then is shutting the pc down via the button on the pc
[09:42] <Xatenev_> REISUB has no effect, too
[09:44] <summonner> first thing is to check the logs/dmesg and diagnose those messages
[09:44] <remhaze> Can we have your specs ? Processor, ram
[09:45] <summonner> if your system locks up, it's likely there's a memory fault, it's the most common issue. boot from a CD/DVD and run memtest86
[09:47] <Xatenev_> ok thx I will try it later with memtest
[10:24] <isapgswell> anyone knows why run with dedicated graphics stopped working ubuntu 20.04
[10:24] <isapgswell> nvidia ondemad profile
[10:47] <ajox> hey @ all, i am building an raid 0 array with just 2 (identical) 1TB HDDs. The goal is to increase write and readingspeed. The usage will be as data partition. I directly created an xfs filesystem on the new raid device (no more partitions). Chunk size of the raid is 64kb. Than i read a bit about mountoptions and other tunables. These raid0, xfs, Desktop tuning.. articles are mostly old and than i heared, that xfs is optimized for per
[10:47] <ajox> ance out of the box. So iam not sure if my setup is good. This was my fs creation cmd: "mkfs.xfs -b size=4096 -d sunit=128,swidth=256 -L Daten /dev/md/Daten" and this is my fstab line: "UUID=056500ac-3ee1-4f4f-9cbb-25a3298a45c9  /daten  xfs    sunit=128,swidth=256,x-gvfs-show,inode64  0  0"
[10:47] <ajox> The Data patition is running fine but iam not sure if this is a good setup because when i benchmark the drives single i get about 80mb/sec. and if i benchmark the raid i get less (about 70MB/sec.) so i think about recreating the raid and xfs filesystem without sunit, swidth an so on. What do you think?=
[10:50] <emilsp> Does systemd-resolved do any connectivity checks when applying config over DBus? I had a weird hang on 20.10 where my DBus RPC timed out.
[11:57] <jimmyb> Heyo, I've got 20.04.2 installed and it keeps giving me an NMI message, but I can't for the life of me figure out what's causing it/where it's coming from. I've been Googling to no avail. The message I get is -- "Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 21 on CPU 0". I've tried resetting my RAID card, removing RAM, but no luck. Oddly enough, I tried
[11:57] <jimmyb> putting the SSD I previously had in the system back in, booted from it, no NMI message lol I tried to see any differences but didn't see any. Any ideas or tips on where to go next would be very much appreciated. Also, for what it's worth, it says the issue is at bus 0 device 5 function 0 which is "00:05.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation Xeon
[11:57] <jimmyb> E5/Core i7 Address Map, VTd_Misc, System Management (rev 07)".
[11:59] <summonner> jimmyb, can you pastebin your dmesg?
[11:59] <jimmyb> Sure thing, one sec summonner
[12:00] <jimmyb> Ugh, umm, is there a way to get the full dmesg? Right now, it's just a lot of network info
[12:01] <jimmyb> Ah wait. I think I got it.
[12:02] <jimmyb> summonner: https://ghostbin.linuxbox.ninja/paste/cwu59
[12:09] <summonner> jimmyb where do you see that message? which log?
[12:11] <jimmyb> summonner: It comes up in console, but also syslog -- https://ghostbin.linuxbox.ninja/paste/gkx27
[12:11] <jimmyb> It'll show the login prompt at console and about 5-10 seconds later it shows the NMI message
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:12] <summonner> jimmyb, from what I can determine, it was solved in an earlier version of the kernel, just trying to find the solution from back then
[12:13] <jimmyb> It started around February 23 I believe.
[12:13] <jimmyb> I could have sworn the old SSD/install was using the same kernel, but I could be wrong.
[12:14] <summonner> jimmyb, you've got nmi_watchdog=0  already in your kernel boot string, you should also add   nohpet
[12:14] <jimmyb> Yeah, I had tried setting nmi_watchdog=0 but it did nothing, something else was enabling it.
[12:14] <jimmyb> So I removed it
[12:14] <summonner> By disable the NMI watchdog and the high precision event timer (HPET) it should stop the message
[12:15] <summonner> update grub, reboot etcetera etcetera
[12:15] <jimmyb> Let me try again.
[12:19] <razan> hello
[12:20] <razan> i have an issue with bluetooth keyboard
[12:20] <razan> my system is crypted with lvm
[12:20] <razan> but the bluetooth module doesn't load at lvm crypt level
[12:20] <razan> do you have an idea please ?
[12:20] <razan> thx
[12:21] <jimmyb> Yeah, no such luck (also forgot my IRC client was hosted on this box 😝) -- https://ghostbin.linuxbox.ninja/paste/ocv7u
[12:21] <MonkeyDust> !enter | razan
[12:21] <razan> ubottu: ok, do you want me to rewrite ?
[12:27] <jimmyb> It's just so odd the other ssd with 20.04.2 works fine and doesn't throw an nmi error
[12:27] <jimmyb> Unless if it's the SSD...
[12:29] <summonner> jimmyb, the other choice is like this:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/915868/nmi-watchdog-bug-soft-lockup  to disable all the messages
[12:32] <jimmyb> That's not specific to just Nvidia though?
[12:36] <summonner> NMI means non-markable interrupt, devices communicate via interrupts
[12:37] <summonner> if that doesn't suppress the messages, you might need to post on stack overflow/ubuntu and wait for a solution
[12:38] <jimmyb> Fair enough. Appreciate the help :)
[12:55] <jhave> Hi
[12:56] <jhave> I try to setup a new LVM but its new for me
[12:57] <jhave> This is my setup
[12:57] <jhave> | / | /var | /usr | /home  |
[12:57] <jhave>  --------------------------
[12:57] <jhave> |       LVM Volume         |
[12:57] <jhave>  --------------------------
[12:57] <jhave> |       RAID Volume        |
[12:59] <jhave> I try to setup a new LVM but its new for me
[12:59] <summonner> jhave, please read the topic
[12:59] <jhave> Sorry for respost im not sure about its end here
[13:00] <jhave> I have read it :)
[13:00] <jhave> https://gist.github.com/jhaveDK/865f902d414b5cc5f2e36164ae6e9948
[13:00] <jhave> But my LVM look like this
[13:00] <jhave> But its possbile to add a disk more to the raid without a reinstall ?
[13:14] <raffaem2> my software-center hangs whenever I search for a software
[13:14] <raffaem2> I have the flatpak extension enabled
[13:21] <tomreyn> jhave: are oyu still looking for help there?
[13:50] <questi> any lightweight GUI text editor that is in an ubuntu rep?
[13:51] <leftyfb> questi: gedit?
[13:52] <questi> anything else?
[13:53] <arunkumar413> ASDX, is the issue resolved?
[13:53] <leftyfb> questi: probably. You can search the software store. You've given no criteria that gedit doesn't fit
[13:57] <questi> gedit is too slow
[13:57] <questi> it gets stuck
[14:01] <leftyfb> questi: feel free to open "Ubuntu Software" and type "text editor" or "text editor light" into the search and try out the results to find one that fits your personal requirements
[14:04] <pycode2> hello
[14:04] <pycode2> does anyone know a good chrome extension to record microphone?
[14:05] <pycode2> i would like to send voice messages using a web app
[14:05] <pycode2> but i need to record them because the webapp does not support recording
[14:17] <leftyfb> pycode2: maybe ask in a chrome channel? We only support Ubuntu here
[14:18] <pycode2> ok sorry leftyfb
[14:36] <goddard> ok everyone so i got the 3090s working but when i switch to the 5.8 hwe kernel i have no wifi or bluetooth
[14:36] <goddard> now i am back on my 5.4 kernel and bluetooth and wifi work but my video card doesn't
[14:39] <goddard> any ideas?
[14:40] <oerheks1> some want to ask you what wifi/bt chip/driver ..
[14:40] <oerheks1> why to share such info ..
[14:42] <tomreyn> because goddard won'T be able to get help without providing info on which hardware (chipset) and drivers they are using.
[14:43] <tomreyn> lspci -knn    and    lsusb    commands can provide most of this information.
[14:45] <goddard> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8YkpQxxTWt/
[14:47] <goddard> looks like intel
[14:47] <goddard> Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275
[14:48] <oerheks1> maybe some hybernate issue with windows
[14:48] <oerheks1> don't hybernate
[14:49] <oerheks1> or maybe some fast boot.. don't fast boot
[14:50] <goddard> yeah i disabled that yesterday
[14:50] <goddard> after talked to you guys to solve this issue
[14:58] <leftyfb> goddard: what version of ubuntu?
[14:58] <leftyfb> :/
[15:28] <goddard> ok
[15:28] <goddard> back
[15:28] <goddard> tried to get kernel 5.11 to see if it fixed the issue
[15:28] <goddard> but nope
[15:28] <goddard> wifi/bluetooth still don't work
[15:29] <goddard> looks like i am stuck on windows for awhile
[15:44] <goddard> its been a long time since i have had wifi/bluetooth issues on linux
[15:44] <goddard> at least in ubuntu
[15:52] <leftyfb> goddard: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:54] <leftyfb> goddard: I think you're running 20.04, please install linux-generic-hwe-20.04. Reboot and check for issues
[15:58] <oerheks1> leftyfb, i got that far with him yesterday
[15:58] <oerheks1> to load the 455 or up driver for nvidia, weird thing is now intel does not work
[15:59] <leftyfb> oerheks1: my guess is with the 5.8 kernel he's not installing the kernel modules with it. I'm pretty sure the hwe meta package will pull those in
[15:59] <oerheks1> yes.
[16:23] <oerheks> sudo snap install pinball --beta
[16:29] <runelind_q> https://pastebin.com/D8VksfRh I added in the static route and did a netplan apply but ip route s doesn't show the route
[16:29] <runelind_q> I can ping the destination
[16:36] <oerheks> maybe you missed dhcp4: no ?
[16:37] <oerheks> or false..
[16:39] <goddard> leftyfb: thanks, that was the recommendation I got from last night.  I did it and ran into the wifi/bluetooth issue.  I then tried using github/mainline project which basically just installs the mainline kernel of your choosing for you and it still didn't solve the issue.  So maybe something unrelated to kernel drivers?  I don't know.  I don't really have experience here.
[16:40] <tomreyn> "dhcp4: no" and "dhcp6: no" should work, but i think it's also the default, isn't it?
[16:40] <leftyfb> goddard: I would go back to the hwe kernel and lets confirm if the kernel modules package is installed. Can you hardwire it so it's online when the wifi is down?
[16:41] <tomreyn> https://netplan.io/reference/#common-properties-for-all-device-types says dhcp is off by default
[16:42] <runelind_q> yeah, the static vlan interface works fine
[16:42] <runelind_q> and adding it via ip route command works fine.
[16:45] <ELFrederich> Hi, I'm trying to set a shortcut for something like CTRL+Right Click.  Under keyboard shortcuts I can't seem to get the mouse click to register.  Is there somewhere else I can make such a shortcut?
[17:03] <goddard> leftyfb: yeah ill be able to do that after work
[17:06] <fluiD> Is there any way to get a list of everything that runs in the background and tries to connect to things over the internet so I can remove them all?
[17:07] <fluiD> I found unattended-upgrades and popularity-contest but I'm sure there are others.
[17:07] <fluiD> Something tells me the number of updates available when I log in via SSH.
[18:56] <arooni> i know this isnt a channel for brave users; but does anyone here use brave AND have syncing working to and from ubuntu?  it seems like i can't add my ubuntu brave browser to an existing sync chain
[18:57] <oerheks> brave as snap?
[18:59] <oerheks> softwarecenter > installed > brave > permissions
[18:59] <arooni> that's a great question;  i'm not sure where i have it installed from
[18:59] <arooni> apprently its not installed as a snap
[19:00] <arooni> oerheks:would you recommend the sanp version?
[19:00] <oerheks> i got it from snapcraft, it gives a huge list of permissions
[19:00] <oerheks> https://imgur.com/gallery/y1RXHSH
[19:00] <arooni> are you having any problems syncing on your snappy version?
[19:01] <oerheks> not tried, just installed to lookfor those permissions
[19:01] <arooni> i tried the software center thing and its not loading permissions there
[19:01] <arooni> ill try uninstalling and reinstalling as snap
[19:02] <arooni> is there an advantage to snap packages versus apt-get ones?
[19:02] <oerheks> you find more latest and beta builds
[19:03] <arooni> would you say they're updated more often?
[19:03] <oerheks> and updates are done, which is an argument for others not to use snap
[19:03] <oerheks> done independantly by first start of the day, IIRC
[19:04] <oerheks> oh, permissions is in systemsettings > applications too
[19:05] <arooni> good things to thinka bout
[19:06] <arooni> are config settings stored somewhere else?  it didnt seem to pull from .config/BraveSoftware
[19:06] <oerheks> no, in the snap folder
[19:07] <oerheks> oh, i see nothing there
[19:08] <arooni> where is the snap folder
[19:08] <oerheks> ~/snap
[19:08] <oerheks> visible
[19:10] <arooni> at least syncing seems to be working so thats a huge step forward
[19:11] <arooni> thanks to your suggestion!  ;).  so do i have to update snaps via some script or does it happen automatically?
[19:11] <arooni> i remember before i had one partition for / that my / partition kept filling up due to snaps keeping multiple versions
[19:11] <oerheks> automatic when you first run the snap, and after regular updates there is a snap -refresh
[19:12] <oerheks> yes, snap keeps a previous version, up to 3 iirc
[19:13] <arooni> and theres not a way to disable that
[19:13] <arooni> the 3 versions thing
[19:13] <arooni> oh so everytime you run the snap it looks for an update?  thats interesting
[19:14] <oerheks> https://superuser.com/a/1361201
[19:14] <oerheks> sudo snap set system refresh.retain=2
[19:15] <oerheks> or go wild with 1 :-D
[19:15] <oerheks> i go wild with 2, 2 doggies to walk, brb
[19:18]  * arooni is living dangerously with only 2 snappies at a time
[19:21] <arooni> so bookmarks seem to sync just fine; but can't seem to get extensions from my mac mini syncing
[19:34] <metbsd> i have big lag when i connect to external monitor
[19:34] <metbsd> when i use external only
[19:35] <metbsd> anyone know why
[19:36] <EriC^^> metbsd: what does 'sudo ubuntu-driver devices' give?
[19:37] <metbsd> command not found
[19:37] <metbsd> it's xubuntu
[19:37] <EriC^^> metbsd: my bad
[19:38] <EriC^^> metbsd: what does 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices' give?
[19:38] <EriC^^> !paste | metbsd
[19:39] <metbsd> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Z2xjZjNKrd/
[19:41] <EriC^^> metbsd: what does 'lshw -c video; dpkg -l | grep nvidia' give?
[19:42] <metbsd> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/QPKG7bdKXJ/
[19:47] <EriC^^> metbsd: try to connect only the external monitor right now
[19:47] <EriC^^> then type 'xrandr --auto' and see if it stops the lag
[19:48] <metbsd> already connected
[19:48] <EriC^^> just to be clear it only lags when the laptop display is disabled right?
[19:49] <metbsd> only lag when laptop display is disabled
[19:49] <metbsd> if mirror, nolag
[19:49] <EriC^^> i see
[19:50] <metbsd> if extend, also no lag
[19:52] <EriC^^> ok, try to disable the laptop display so it lags and try 'xrandr --auto' in a terminal
[20:21] <metbsd> EriC^^, when i do that. it becomes mirror again
[20:26] <metbsd> is there a way to fix this
[20:27] <EriC^^> installing the nvidia recommended driver might fix it
[20:27] <EriC^^> nvidia-driver-460
[20:28] <metbsd> but i don't need that
[20:28] <metbsd> i don't play games
[20:28] <oerheks> vnc gives a lag anyway
[20:28] <metbsd> just watch some video
[20:28] <metbsd> it's not vnc
[20:29] <EriC^^> i wonder if just changing the resolution would also work, might be worth trying 'xrandr -q' with the laptop display on and off and see if there's some difference for the external monitor's resolution, maybe choosing the other works if they're different
[20:31] <leftyfb> metbsd: install the proper video drivers for your chipset. You have a complaint related to video, install the proper drivers. Whether you play video games or not is irrelevant
[20:32] <metbsd> there's no way to fix it
[20:32] <metbsd> ?
[20:32] <raffaem2> when I open a new application, the focus doesn't switch to it
[20:32] <raffaem2> how to fix?
[20:33] <EriC^^> raffaem2: maybe it's some window manager setting, did you try the guest account or creating a fresh user to test?
[20:33] <EriC^^> metbsd: try 'xrandr -q' with the display on, and again with it off and pastebin the results, in case it helps
[20:33] <metbsd> EriC^^, if i install that nv driver, will i be able to use two cards in the same time?
[20:34] <metbsd> like app 1 use intel, app2 use nv
[20:34] <oerheks> raffaem2, normally it is the other way, new app stealing focus.
[20:34] <metbsd> not all intel or all nv
[20:35] <EriC^^> metbsd: i've no idea, i'd imagine so though
[20:35] <EriC^^> i think nvidia-prime is what handles that? you do have it currently installed
[20:37] <metbsd> that's right i have nvidia-prime
[20:39] <leftyfb> metbsd: install the proper drivers
[20:39] <metbsd> this driver is improper?
[20:39] <leftyfb> metbsd: which driver did you install?
[20:39] <oerheks> movies with nouveau ..
[20:40] <metbsd> i didn't install any dirver
[20:40] <oerheks> 30 frams maybe
[20:40] <metbsd> ubuntu installation did
[20:40] <leftyfb> metbsd: ok, then install the proper nvidia driver
[20:40] <metbsd> iso installer
[20:40] <raffaem2> EriC^^: oerheks: I found it
[20:40] <leftyfb> !nvidia | metbsd
[20:40] <raffaem2> GNOME Tweaks -> Windows -> Center New Windows
[20:41] <oerheks> raffaem2, does that affeect focus too?
[20:41] <metbsd> but after install that, do i still get a chance to run different apps on different cards? or switch everything
[20:42] <leftyfb> metbsd: no idea. That is a completely different issue. One that will not be solved in your current state
[20:44] <EriC^^> metbsd: you could always uninstall the driver if it doesn't suit you
[20:44] <metbsd> any difference between nvidia driver and nvidia driver server?
[20:45] <EriC^^> i'd go with the recommended one, at least to try to resolve the monitor issue afaik
[20:45] <oerheks> 'nvidia driver and nvidia driver server' where do you read that?
[20:45] <EriC^^> maybe the nvidia one is for server installs *shrug*
[20:45] <EriC^^> *nvidia server
[20:46] <metbsd> apt search nvidia-driver gives me that
[20:46] <EriC^^> oerheks: it's in the list here https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Z2xjZjNKrd/
[20:49] <oerheks> oh, -server is a subset of the driver package without some possible vendor/cloud support. https://askubuntu.com/a/1267511
[20:49] <oerheks> just use the driver tool, not apt
[20:50] <metbsd> now my 2nd monitor is gone
[20:50] <metbsd> installed driver
[20:50] <metbsd> i removed nouveu too
[20:50] <metbsd> as the wiki told me to
[20:50] <oerheks> reboot might do some good
[20:51] <EriC^^> +1
[20:51] <metbsd> did
[20:52] <EriC^^> what does 'lshw -c video | nc termbin.com 9999' give as a link?
[20:53] <metbsd> i choose the middle option, prime
[20:53] <metbsd> same thing happen
[20:53] <metbsd> and this is official nvidia-driver
[20:53] <metbsd> and this is official nvidia-driver
[20:53] <metbsd> 460
[20:54] <metbsd> nvidia on demand
[20:55] <metbsd> ok nvidia-setting crashed
[20:55] <metbsd> just sent the crash to ubuntu
[21:01] <metbsd> ok tried 3 modes, intel: no external monitor at all
[21:02] <metbsd> prime: 2nd monitor laggy
[21:02] <metbsd> performance: no more lag
[21:02] <Foxfir3> how do i run snap programs? they are not showing up in KDE
[21:02] <metbsd> but laptop gets hot easily
[21:03] <tomreyn> Foxfir3: assuming this is kubuntu, desktop specific support is available in #kubuntu
[21:04] <Foxfir3> tomreyn: its debian. but asked here since snap is a cannonical thing
[21:04] <tomreyn> Foxfir3: there's #snapcraft, we don't spport debian nor snaps on debian here
[21:04] <Foxfir3> tomreyn: thanks :)
[21:05] <sarnold> Foxfir3: if you haven't restarted since installing snap, try that
[21:18] <metbsd> i'm gonna try arch based manjaro
[21:18] <metbsd> see if i get any luck
[21:19] <metbsd> it's just a windows replacement laptop
[21:19] <metbsd> not for server task
[22:17] <s_> whoa, does ubuntu send search data to amazon?
[22:18] <billybigrigger> anyone here familiar with fiber channel?
[22:19] <sarnold> s_: a few years ago, the unity desktop did indeed have a pluggable search thing that could search amazon if you asked it to
[22:19] <billybigrigger> i know it's mostly used to connect to a SAN, but is there a way I can do direct from one machine to another? ie, i have 2x HP 8Gbps FC HBA's connected over mm om3 LC-LC both on port 0
[22:19] <billybigrigger> can i do direct host to host connection over fiber channel?
[22:21] <tag> Something seems to be swapping my escape and super keys and I'm having a hell of a time figuring out what --- it appears to happen at a regular interval
[22:22] <s_> sarnold: ahh, yes ok this is old news then. apparently maybe it was defaulted to yes at some point
[22:22] <tag> Sorry, my *alt* and *super* keys
[22:22] <tag> it just started happening out of the blue today
[22:23] <sarnold> s_: yeah, if you hit meta+s it'd search EVERYTHING and meta+f would search files, meta+a would search applications, etc .. or something like that. I never used them because they weren't super-useful, I can't recall the key combos
[22:27] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: you might be better off asking in #networking
[22:27] <billybigrigger> leftyfb i just did thanks :P
[22:27] <billybigrigger> that channel is dead AF :P
[22:28] <billybigrigger> but i threw it out there, thanks
[22:29] <puzzle_55> hi
[22:38] <metbsd> manjaro has this problem too
[23:36] <harovali1> hi, I'm trying to start a user program from systemd. What I did was: sudo systemctl --force edit vbox-conector.service,  and in the editor write what is described here https://tanzolab.it/systemd, changing the names to fit my "vbox-conector" service. Then did systemctl daemon-reload . But when tryin to do systemctl enable vbox-conector, or enable vbox-conector.service, it errors "Failed to enable unit: Unit file vbox-conect
[23:36] <harovali1> s not exist."  I wonder what I'm missing !   Nay help is really welcome
[23:38] <oerheks>  vbox-conector.service or  vbox-connector.service ? typo
[23:41] <harovali1> oerheks: I hope it were just this type, but i'ts not since the typo is also in the sudo systemctl --force edit vbox-conector.service
[23:42] <harovali1> it errors with one n or 2