[08:57] <InstallingUbuntu> seems to almost be working
[08:58] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, any erros now?
[08:58] <InstallingUbuntu> not yet
[08:58] <glitchd> Vysty, lspci | grep vga
[08:58] <ducasse> Vysty: 'lspci', see what VGA compatible controller says
[08:58] <glitchd> Vysty, lspci | grep VGA
[08:59] <Vysty> Intel Corp Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core PRocessor
[08:59] <glitchd> Vysty, was there another one under that one?
[08:59] <Vysty> My audio device.
[09:00] <glitchd> Vysty, pm me the entire output of lspci
[09:00] <Vysty> Can't. I'm on my laptop while I figure this crap out on my desktop.
[09:00] <glitchd> Vysty, thats fine
[09:00] <Vysty> I can termbin it if you remind me how to use the command.
[09:00] <glitchd> lol i dont know how to use it
[09:01] <glitchd> just right click my name and open dialog window and paste the output to me
[09:02] <Vysty> I can't paste the output.
 | nc termbin.com 9999   # netcat
[09:02] <Netek>  /j ##nginx
[09:02] <Vysty> It's on a different computer.
[09:02] <kLOs> ls -la | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:02] <Netek> bleh
[09:02] <Vysty> MonkeyDust: Thank you.
[09:02] <Vysty> glitchd: http://termbin.com/ua21
[09:02] <kLOs> didnt know termbin. thats awesome
[09:03] <glitchd> Vysty, oh you were very right about the video card
[09:04] <Vysty> Installing Gnome-Shell... do I want gdm3 or lightdm as my display manager?
[09:04] <glitchd> sry i didnt comprehend you were on a sperate laptop
[09:04] <glitchd> lightdm
[09:04] <Vysty> What's the difference?
[09:04] <glitchd> not really sure, but i use lightdm, its like the default i think
[09:05] <Vysty> I selected it.
[09:05] <Vysty> lightdm, that is
[09:06] <MonkeyDust> Vysty  FYI http://askubuntu.com/questions/58528/whats-the-difference-between-gdm-and-lightdm#58549
[09:06] <Vysty> MonkeyDust: Thankya sir.
[09:07] <Vysty> How do I exit a console?
[09:07] <MonkeyDust> Vysty  ctrl-d
[09:07] <glitchd> MonkeyDust, thx!
[09:07] <Vysty> MonkeyDust: How do I go back to the login screen from a console?
[09:08] <glitchd> killall lightdm
[09:08] <glitchd> sudo*
[09:09] <ducasse> Vysty: ctrl+alt+f7
[09:10] <glitchd> why did i say killall lightdm...
[09:10] <MonkeyDust> or ctrl-alt arrow left, if you're in TTY1
[09:10] <Vysty> Woa. This new Gnome is weird as hell.
[09:10] <glitchd> MonkeyDust, i just tried that, it did not work..
[09:11] <MonkeyDust> alt-arrow left, rather
[09:11] <glitchd> MonkeyDust, that did work=)
[09:11] <glitchd> MonkeyDust, didnt knwo that one, thx
[09:11] <Vysty> Any way to get older versions of Gnome up and working?
[09:12] <glitchd> Vysty, why?
[09:12] <Vysty> Wondering if I'm going to get used to this new Gnome.
[09:12] <glitchd> i think to get used to it you have to use it for more than 15 minutes..
[09:13] <MonkeyDust> yes, getting used to something is a matter of time
[09:14] <karelyn> alguien habla español?
[09:15] <MonkeyDust> !es
[09:21] <ducasse> Vysty: you could try mate, it's essentially gnome 2. although i'm sure someone here will know how to fix unity.
[09:25] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[09:26] <InstallingUbuntu> Install GRUB bootloader on a hard disk
[09:26] <InstallingUbuntu> yes/no
[09:26] <glitchd> holy god..
[09:26] <glitchd> yes.
[09:26] <InstallingUbuntu> k
[09:27] <InstallingUbuntu> Finishing the installation
[09:27] <InstallingUbuntu> Installation complete
[09:28] <l9> now the really hard part comes
[09:28] <l9> installing software
[09:28] <InstallingUbuntu> holy mother of god please work
[09:29] <chovy_> how would i install ubuntu on a laptop with no ports?
[09:29] <InstallingUbuntu> black screen...
[09:29] <l9> InstallingUbuntu: then you did something wrong start over
[09:29] <l9> chovy_: ??? what do you mean
[09:29] <InstallingUbuntu> god please let my suffering end
[09:30] <l9> InstallingUbuntu: if you cant handle a simple install of Ubuntu please consider this can you actually use Ubuntu?
[09:31] <l9> and installing it should be a breeze
[09:31] <chovy_> no need to be rude
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> have you been here the past 3 hours?
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> The hardware is old
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> the graphics are nonexistant
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> newer versions of ubuntu are just not compatible
[09:31] <InstallingUbuntu> its the most complicated trial-and-error process possible
[09:33] <InstallingUbuntu> I boot up and it goes to grub
[09:33] <InstallingUbuntu> but it seems like its frozen
[09:35] <glitchd> just keep waiting
[09:35] <glitchd> chovy_, who was rude to you?
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> I can't boot into Ubuntu w/o hitting enter
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> and its not responding to the keyboard
[09:36] <glitchd> uhh...what?
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> I already tried switching ports
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> Its at the grub select screen
[09:36] <glitchd> did u select the correct keyboard layout?
[09:36] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[09:37] <glitchd> are u sure?
[09:37] <InstallingUbuntu> it was working before
[09:37] <InstallingUbuntu> YES
[09:37] <glitchd> then completely power down the pc and try again
[09:37] <InstallingUbuntu> what do
[09:37] <InstallingUbuntu> did that
[09:38] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: is this a desktop?
[09:38] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[09:38] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: make sure 'legacy support for usb' is enabled in the bios
[09:38] <jack> test
[09:38] <jack> it worked
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> just enabled it
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> it worked
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> you glorious person
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> thank you
[09:39] <ducasse> :)
[09:39] <InstallingUbuntu> im so frigging tired
[09:40] <glitchd> i bet
[09:40] <glitchd> youve had quite the "nixventure" today
[09:40] <InstallingUbuntu> yep
[09:40] <InstallingUbuntu> Not sure if its loading
[09:40] <glitchd> i hope it works out well when your wife gets it back
[09:41] <InstallingUbuntu> at this point if I dont get a desktop I'm done
[09:41] <InstallingUbuntu> and guess what
[09:41] <glitchd> desktop
[09:41] <InstallingUbuntu> screens still black
[09:41] <ducasse> !nomodeset
[09:41] <InstallingUbuntu> lets try
[09:42] <InstallingUbuntu> im at grub
[09:42] <glitchd> it relatively to edit grub and add nomodeset
[09:42] <glitchd> press e
[09:42] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[09:42] <fun> Which apps to see movies from phone
[09:42] <InstallingUbuntu> stuff is here
[09:43] <InstallingUbuntu> setparams 'Ubuntu, with Linux'...
[09:43] <glitchd> press e on the line that boots your os
[09:43] <InstallingUbuntu> I did
[09:43] <InstallingUbuntu> now theres code
[09:43] <InstallingUbuntu> or sometihn
[09:44] <glitchd> now find GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
[09:44] <InstallingUbuntu> I dont see it
[09:44] <ducasse> the line starts with the word linux
[09:46] <InstallingUbuntu> linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-32generic root=UUID= ...
[09:46] <InstallingUbuntu> there's no GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
[09:47] <InstallingUbuntu> what do
[09:47] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: ignore the GRUB... stuff, just add the word nomodeset to the end of that line
[09:48] <InstallingUbuntu> the end looks like: quiet splash $vt_handoff nomodset
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> I added nomodset
[09:49] <glitchd> yep
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[09:49] <akik> nomodeset
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> F10 to boot?
[09:49] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: ok, then press f10 to boot
[09:49] <akik> you're missing one e
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> e?
[09:49] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, nomodeset
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> modeset
[09:49] <glitchd> not nomodset
[09:49] <InstallingUbuntu> got it
[09:50] <InstallingUbuntu> hit f10
[09:50] <glitchd> and pray.
[09:50] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[09:50] <Jonii> Hey, if I have window hidden somehow, is there a trick to make it visible again?
[09:50] <InstallingUbuntu> I got a splash screen
[09:50] <InstallingUbuntu> Ubuntu 12.04
[09:50] <Jonii> Like, Unity launcher shows window exists, but clicking launcher icon does nothing. It's outside my both screens
[09:50] <MonkeyDust> Jonii  alt-tab, or alt-esc
[09:50] <glitchd> Jonii, hidden?
[09:51] <Jonii> Yeah, like, it's probably outside both my screens
[09:51] <InstallingUbuntu> I think its stuck
[09:51] <Jonii> Or it's just not showing up
[09:52] <InstallingUbuntu> how long should I wait before we guess that its frozen?
[09:52] <Jonii> I can still interact with the window but can't really see it... With terminal windows, clicking F11 maximizes it, so you can use that to get it back
[09:52] <Jonii> But some other windows can't really figure out how to get them back to me :p
[09:53] <glitchd> Jonii, cant you just close it and reopen it? it should spawn in the middle of your screen then
[09:53] <Jonii> glitchd:
[09:54] <Jonii> yes. But sometimes the lost windows have unsaved stuff so I don't want to close them
[09:54] <Jonii> So I'd want a way to get these lost windows back in case this happens when I can't afford to restart things
[09:55] <glitchd> Jonii, well i know that holding alt and clicking on the window lets you drag it, maybe that could help
[09:56] <glitchd> Jonii, or maybe set a shortcut to cascade the windows
[09:56] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, anything yet?..
[09:56] <Jonii> that sounds something that could help
[09:57] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: no response yet?
[09:57] <InstallingUbuntu> froze
[09:58] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: what was on screen?
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> tried restarting and adding nomodeset before the $
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> Ubuntu 12.04 splash screen
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> frozen
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> kind of like right now
[09:58] <glitchd> before?
[09:58] <InstallingUbuntu> before and now
[09:59] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: you can try removing 'quiet splash' when you add nomodeset, that will give you boot messages so you can see what happens
[09:59] <glitchd> no, i mean you put nomodeset before the $ sign?
[09:59] <InstallingUbuntu> before it was after $vt_handoff
[09:59] <InstallingUbuntu> now I tried before
[10:00] <InstallingUbuntu> I'll try removing quiet splash
[10:00] <ducasse> also add nomodeset
[10:00] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, read this http://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[10:00] <InstallingUbuntu> ok
[10:00] <glitchd> Jonii, anything?
[10:01] <Jonii> It's... Well, it's working poorly. But it's working
[10:01] <InstallingUbuntu> Starting to load fallback graphics devices [fail]
[10:02] <glitchd> well that better than not working, i suppose
[10:02] <InstallingUbuntu> everything else shows [OK]
[10:02] <glitchd> Jonii, how are windows being positioned of screen?
[10:02] <glitchd> off screen*
[10:03] <Jonii> glitchd: not really sure
[10:03] <glitchd> Jonii, did this just suddenly start to happen?
[10:03] <Jonii> I tweaked monitor settings so I had multiple windows disappear as a result of that
[10:04] <Jonii> But it's intermittent thing that keeps happening every now and then in my experience
[10:04] <InstallingUbuntu> What do I do from here
[10:04] <glitchd> Jonii, reset the display config then
[10:04] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: nothing more happened? did it stop after some message?
[10:04] <InstallingUbuntu> yeah
[10:05] <glitchd> installing find the drivers section and see if you can install a working driver i guess
[10:05] <InstallingUbuntu> Starting load fallback graphics devices [fail]
[10:05] <glitchd> im guessing he got to the desktop?
[10:05] <InstallingUbuntu> No
[10:05] <glitchd> dear lord..
[10:05] <InstallingUbuntu> How do I get to the drivers section
[10:05] <InstallingUbuntu> I cant even get to the desktop
[10:05] <glitchd> InstallingUbuntu, i said that thinking you had gotten to the desktop finally
[10:05] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: seriously, get some sleep. my best suggestions now will take some time.
[10:05] <szafa> get windows
[10:05] <szafa> xDDD
[10:06] <InstallingUbuntu> szafa my longest boi ever
[10:06] <glitchd> szafa, no funny, kinda rude actually
[10:06] <szafa> sry guys
[10:06] <InstallingUbuntu> I'll be back tomorrow
[10:06] <InstallingUbuntu> maybe
[10:06] <glitchd> hope you survive
[10:07] <glitchd> say it was a glitch in an update and it borked the system=)
[10:08]  * glitchd evil smile
[10:13] <mike__> to whom can I speak if I can't connect to Ubuntu forums?
[10:16] <wyseguy> can someone help with desktop crashing after enabling intel-multicode driver?
[10:16] <jatt> mike__: can you access this: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2230004
[10:17] <jatt> mike__: or email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:17] <mike__> jatt: yes, I just can't log in
[10:22] <ducasse> mike__: there should be a contacts page on the forums
[10:33] <Guest86497> Hi, I just installed Handrake as snap package, but can't get access to my DVD drive, anyone has the solution???
[10:34] <pseudonymous> Guest86497: No. But it sounds like a permissions problem. Oftentimes regular users can't access hardware peripherals.  Also, why dont you just install handbrake via the regular software repos ?
[10:35] <Guest86497> Because I have issue with mp4 format, can select it, only mkv
[10:36] <bazhang> Guest86497, have you asked in #snappy yet
[10:36] <bazhang> !info handbrake
[10:37] <pseudonymous> Guest86497: I'm not an ubuntu expert, so take this as conjecture. BUT, sounds like you just haven't gotten the relevant packages for mp4 encoding installed ? Most package systems have hard requirements (which are pulled in when a package is installed) and recommended lists of packages not needed but which would enhance the experience
[10:37] <Guest86497> thx @ubottu
[10:48] <Lodiz> anyone using xorg 1.19?
[10:50] <ikonia> does it ship with ubuntu by default ?
[10:50] <craiggirl> World Defeated The Wrong Enemy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm34sj65MkA QUOTE: "Hitler went from being the devil to me, to my fucking hero, in less than a year. His speech in the beginning moves me to tears, and I now know why he was so loved."
[10:51] <MrCucumber> HEY GEEKS!
[10:51] <ikonia> worst intro ever
[10:51] <ikonia> normal people will say "hello"
[10:51] <MrCucumber> well *fellow* geeks
[10:51] <MrCucumber> well im a little abnormal then!
[10:51] <ikonia> it's not a badge of honour
[10:51] <wyseguy> can someone help with desktop crashing after enabling intel-multicode driver?
[10:51] <ikonia> just say "hello"
[10:51] <ikonia> there is no need for anything else
[10:51] <pseudonymous> ikonia: I think the whole Hitler was loved thing was a worse intro, but maybe that's just me :P
[10:51] <ikonia> pseudonymous: and they are gone
[11:22] <tosate> Hi there my launcher shows no icons anymore. The command 'unity  --reset-icons' is not working. Any suggestions?
[11:30] <MonkeyDust> tosate  is this useful http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-reset-unity-launcher-icons-or.html
[11:30] <parapan> hi all; I am running an ubuntu 16.04 LTS server edition on a machine with only 1 HDD (sda); I want to make a full back-up - image of the system and after that an easy restore; what do you recommend ?
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> !backup | parapan
[11:32] <thushi> Hell all, I have Nvidia GeForce Gt 540 on my laptop, Drivers are installed... Now in the additional drivers setting, Do I need to select Nvidia as well as the default intel one?
[11:32] <MonkeyDust> parapan  if you have no extra/external drive, and your HDD is large enough, you can make a backup partition
[11:32] <thushi> Or just Nvidia is enough ?
[11:33] <postrecito> *
[11:35] <gwozt> hey people
[11:36] <tosate> MonkeyDust no it's not, unfortunately.
[11:36] <olmari> thushi: well generally you can't select but one at one time... with most recent nvidias and "optimus" systems you can either install bumblebee or just install nvidia binaries and then you can choose in nvidia settings which one to use (not as robust as automatic system in windows but something)
[11:37] <thushi> olmari, I have a list of drivers installed in "Additional Drivers" for Nvidia... So , I am not sure which one to go with.
[11:38] <thushi> olmari, I have NVIDIA binary driver(version 367.57) (proprietarly,tested)
[11:38] <thushi> olmari, NVIDIA legacy binary (V 304.132) (proprietary)
[11:38] <thushi> olmari, NVIDIA binary dirver (Version 340.98) (Proprietary)
[11:39] <thushi> olmari, Using X.Org Xserver - Nouveau display driver (open source)
[11:39] <MonkeyDust> thushi  next time, use a !pastebin
[11:40] <thushi> olmari, What is the link for pastebin?
[11:40] <thushi> MonkeyDust, Sorry, Can you please give me the link for pastebin?
[11:40] <MonkeyDust> thushi  http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:40] <thushi> MonkeyDust, I want to send a screen shot also, Is there anything available for that?
[11:41] <clarkk> hi Jordan_U:  are you still around?
[11:41] <MonkeyDust> thushi  imgur.com
[11:41] <olmari> thushi: usually newest and/or tested one, it just gives you options it knows to works with your hardware
[11:42] <thushi> olmari, Ok If i select Nvidia propreitary tested one, then shall i deselect the intel one?
[11:47] <thushi> olmari, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23577608/ I have pasted the list of options available in my system. Can you please look into that once?
[11:47] <thushi> olmari, I am not sure which one to select now :/
[11:49] <Wotac> i tried to install extra fonts but the PPA didn't fully work, now i have packages that are depending on something i don't have instead of ubuntu defaults, how can i change them back? apt-get -f install didn't work
[11:49] <Wotac> "libfontconfig1 : Depends: fontconfig-config (= 2.12.1-0-0ubuntu3-bohoomil-ultimate-ppa20160423) but 2.11.94-0ubuntu2 is installed"
[11:54] <thushi> olmari, Attached the screen shot also http://imgur.com/a/xFuGN
[11:54] <thushi> olmari, If i select the Proprietary,tested one i am getting a blank screen. also I am not able to switch to any other tty
[12:25] <FManTropyx> damned PM spam
[12:27] <bekks> FManTropyx: Identify to services and run "/mode FManTropyx +R" to inhibit queries from unidentified users.
[12:27] <FManTropyx> I got PMs from about 40 random accounts
[12:28] <nubcake> ich versuche gerade ubuntu 15.04 und 16.04 in die default datei vom tftp einzutragen, allerdings scheint das beispiel nicht zur 64bit version zu passen. "kernel /ubuntu15.04-desktop-amd64/amd64/linux" existiert in der verzeichnisstruktur von ubuntu 15.04 desktop amd64 so garnicht.
[12:28] <akik> !de | nubcake
[12:29] <nubcake> oh sorry, wrong channel.. i thought i tabbed to ubuntu-de
[12:29] <Rohit_> how to add wla0
[12:31] <Rohit_> Hello
[12:32] <clarkk> I've struggled for half a day on this. I need to run a script when a user logs out of lightdm on Ubuntu 16.04 shuts, and also when the user shuts down.  This is my attempt so far, but it doesn't work. Can anyone help me, please?  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/22fcfe47249d3f53cc95cce0131645e3
[12:32] <clarkk> * ignore "shuts"
[12:34] <blackflow> clarkk: obvious things first, is the script marked executable?
[12:34] <ikonia> clarkk: what part is not working ?
[12:39] <OerHeks> wild guess, use /full/path/to/testing-logoff-script2
[12:47] <clarkk> blackflow: yes it's executable
[12:47] <clarkk> ikonia: it's not running on log off (or shutdown)
[12:48] <clarkk> OerHeks: ok, I'll try that. I need to log off / restart. I'll be back in 10 mins
[12:53] <pidof> anyone help me
[12:53] <pidof> how to install ms office in ubuntu ?
[13:00] <Wulf> Hello.
[13:01] <TheNavigat> I have a problem with my Skylalke Intel graphics, identical to this http://askubuntu.com/questions/761312/ubuntu-16-04-skylake-not-able-to-shutdown-and-restart
[13:01] <TheNavigat> s/Skylalke/Skylake
[13:01] <ViRuS007> hello
[13:02] <TheNavigat> Apparently using nVidia fixes the problem but that consumes too much battery too fast
[13:02] <Wulf> I installed a kernel package manually (apt-get install ...) and now set it to automatically installed with apt-mark auto. Why does apt-get autormove not see it?
[13:02] <TheNavigat> Can anyone please help me with a fix for the Intel graphics problem, apart from just switching to nVidia?
[13:03] <bekks> Wulf: are you currently using that kernel?
[13:03] <Wulf> bekks: no
[13:03] <boddy> hello
[13:03] <bekks> Wulf: So why dont you just uninstall it then?
[13:03] <Wulf> bekks: I want to understand why it's not working
[13:04] <boddy> can i please ask for help i would like to patch a file in linux but ican't any of the online tutorials i found
[13:04] <bekks> boddy: why file do you want to patch, and why?
[13:05] <TheNavigat> Does anyone know what's the name of the package responsible for the Intel Graphics, for example? Maybe I can try installing the latest thing
[13:08] <ViRuS007> what is best lib for crypt ruby source code ?
[13:08] <ikonia> best is an impossible statement
[13:08] <ikonia> I'd suggest talking to the ruby developers and explaining your requirements to them
[13:09] <ViRuS007> thanks :)
[13:11] <TheNavigat> Should I ask again or something? :/
[13:11] <TheNavigat> Or provide more details?
[13:13] <gwozt> hey guys i downloaded the latest disc image
[13:14] <blackflow> TheNavigat: there's nothing to install, the intel graphics driver is part of the kernel.
[13:14] <gwozt> and i was wondering how can i burn it to a usb
[13:14] <MonkeyDust> gwozt  of what?
[13:14] <ikonia> !install | gwozt
[13:14] <bekks> gwozt: you dont burn anything to USB, except you want to destroy your USB with fire.
[13:14] <gwozt> well, the problem is not that actually
[13:15] <ikonia> then what is the problem
[13:15] <ikonia> you asked "how do I burn" then got told the answer now you say "thats not the problem"
[13:15] <gwozt> ive been trying to install arch then i was screwed then i thought ok then lets install ubuntu since it is easier
[13:15] <gwozt> then i erased the disc
[13:15] <ikonia> gwozt: why don't you tell us the actual problem
[13:16] <TheNavigat> blackflow: So xserver-xorg-video-intel is irrelevant?
[13:16] <TheNavigat> Should I try a newer kernel?
[13:16] <ikonia> why ?
[13:16] <ikonia> why are you talking about changing kernels ???
[13:16] <TheNavigat> ikonia: I have a problem with my Intel Graphics
[13:16] <ikonia> ok - so focus on that
[13:16] <ikonia> not random changes
[13:16] <TheNavigat> Skylake fails to shutdown, sleep, or logout
[13:17] <gwozt> then i started doing all these weirdass stuff to get my usb working cuz it couldn't be seen by the laptop
[13:17] <TheNavigat> And there's no fix whatsoever available anywhere
[13:17] <clarkk> blackflow: ikonia OerHeks - it didn't work. I've simplified the code slightly  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98
[13:17] <ikonia> TheNavigat: ok, so why would you change kernels
[13:17] <bekks> TheNavigat: I dont think thats a skylake issue.
[13:17] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Because the new kernels /might/ have a fixx
[13:17] <gwozt> ikonia,  just one question actually can i install ubuntu using startup disc?
[13:17] <ikonia> TheNavigat: so may standing on your head
[13:17] <TheNavigat> bekks: What do you think, then? It seems to happen only for Skylake Graphics
[13:17] <ikonia> TheNavigat: you don't just swap random things out, more so when it's likley to make your machine unsuported
[13:18] <blackflow> TheNavigat: that package does not contain the actual driver, but Xorg's modules for the driver
[13:18] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Not really, and it's not random. Please hear me out
[13:18] <ikonia> gwozt: "startup disc" ??
[13:18] <ikonia> TheNavigat: it is random
[13:18] <bekks> TheNavigat: So you changed graphics adapter in your some other Intel chipset, and tested it?
[13:18] <gwozt> i used startup disc creator
[13:18] <gwozt> to burn the iso to usb
[13:18] <ikonia> gwozt: read the link ubottu gave you and it gives you all the options and walks them through with you
[13:18] <TheNavigat> bekks: I use the exact same OS on another computer with a different Intel Graphics version and it works
[13:19] <TheNavigat> And the only case where this occurs is if people use Skylake
[13:19] <bekks> TheNavigat: and a totally different chipset, etc.
[13:19] <MonkeyDust> gwozt  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[13:19] <TheNavigat> bekks: Well, the only common thing between me and the guy who posted the thing on Ask Ubuntu is the graphics
[13:19] <TheNavigat> I'm using a different laptop
[13:19] <TheNavigat> A different brand, in fact
[13:19] <TheNavigat> and I have the exact same problem
[13:19] <TheNavigat> The only common thing is the Skylake Graphics
[13:20] <clarkk> I need to run a script when a user logs out of lightdm on Ubuntu 16.04, and also when the user shuts down.  This is my attempt so far, but it doesn't run. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98
[13:21] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Okay, hear me out, please. Doesn't the kernel contain the intel graphics drivers?
[13:21] <TheNavigat> My thought was to basically update the drivers
[13:21] <TheNavigat> That's all :)
[13:21] <ikonia> TheNavigat: it contaings part of it
[13:22] <TheNavigat> Well, and then I should update xserver-xorg-video-intel, correct?
[13:22] <ikonia> TheNavigat: the display services is made up of various things as is the power managment
[13:22] <ikonia> TheNavigat: what component is the fault with ?
[13:22] <TheNavigat> The graphics driver
[13:22] <ikonia> TheNavigat: are %100 sure
[13:22] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Pretty much, yes
[13:22] <TheNavigat> Switching to nVidia fixes everything
[13:22] <bekks> TheNavigat: So you have an error message stating that?
[13:23] <blackflow> TheNavigat: the intel driver is part of the kernel, there's nothing do update/upgrade separately. There is, however, the "intel-microcode" package that might in theory fix such a bug in an updated version.
[13:23] <ikonia> TheNavigat: how did you work that out ?
[13:23] <ioria> clarkk, on 14.04 i sue this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM#Adding_System_Hooks
[13:23] <ioria> *use
[13:23] <TheNavigat> bekks: Unfortunately Ubuntu crashes before it gets a chance to print anything useful to the log, as far as I can understand. I might have missed something, too
[13:23] <blackflow> TheNavigat: to be precise, it doesn't "fix" anything, it just removes the cause of the problem by using different hardware :)
[13:24] <TheNavigat> blackflow: I'm confused. I have no idea what to do TBH. I just want to fix this...
[13:24] <TheNavigat> Yes, this is crappy because I don't have definitive log
[13:24] <TheNavigat> logs*
[13:24] <TheNavigat> I don't even know which package is causing the problem
[13:24] <TheNavigat> What I do know is that Ubuntu 16.04 worked before the updates, and that *some* package broke everything when I updated it
[13:24] <TheNavigat> Which one? I have absolutely no idea
[13:24] <ikonia> TheNavigat: so you've gone from being certain - to "don't know" in the space of 90 seconds
[13:24] <bekks> TheNavigat: So having no clue and no logs - why are you sure its the graphics driver's fault?
[13:25] <ikonia> TheNavigat: I suggest stopping what you're doing, and working with someone who can help you debug to actually debug it to the right component
[13:25] <ikonia> rather than just swapping random things out
[13:25] <blackflow> TheNavigat: personally, I don't think there's a fix except to patiently wait until one of the updates to the kernel and/or microcode fixes it. Note that skylake is very much new. Bugs will be aplenty. I've had issues with intel even on "older" models like broadwell, on 16.04, random freezes. Using nvidia instead.
[13:25] <TheNavigat> ikonia: Can you please give me a break? It's not like I'm destroying the world. I'm just asking for help
[13:25] <ikonia> TheNavigat: and I'm advising you
[13:26] <TheNavigat> ikonia: I'm aware, I'm a FOSS dev and I know what you're talking about
[13:26] <ikonia> TheNavigat: if you want I can let you blindly get on with breaking your system
[13:26] <ikonia> TheNavigat: nonsense
[13:26] <TheNavigat> But it's not like I have anything to deal with
[13:26] <TheNavigat> FFS...
[13:26] <ikonia> TheNavigat: if you knew what you where talking about you wouldn't be blindly swapping out packages
[13:26] <ikonia> and getting upset when people guide you
[13:26] <OerHeks> "<TheNavigat> Apparently using nVidia fixes the problem but that consumes too much battery too fast"
[13:27] <TheNavigat> blackflow: I guess... Thanks for the help :)
[13:27] <blackflow> ikonia: if you google for the log entry TheNavigat posted, you'd find out it's a problem with the intel driver
[13:27] <OerHeks> that makes me wonder, there is a switch in your systemsettings
[13:27] <TheNavigat> OerHeks: I'm not following
[13:27] <ikonia> blackflow: I've seen a reference to it, I also see a reference to the APM for certain makes using that chipset
[13:28] <TheNavigat> ikonia: I really know what you're talking about and I'm aware of how messed up this might seem to someone who's more experienced in Linux and such than I am, but I'm not hiding anything. If I could possibly obtain any logs, I would've used them
[13:28] <ikonia> TheNavigat: I don't think you're hiding anything at all
[13:28] <clarkk> ioria: that's what I'm using, isn't it?
[13:28] <TheNavigat> Either I'm not knowledgeable enough to obtain such logs, or they're hidden too well
[13:29] <TheNavigat> I built my hypothesis based on others reporting the exact same problem produced on different laptops with different chipsets and different structure
[13:29] <TheNavigat> With the only common thing being the Skylake graphics
[13:29] <TheNavigat> So yes, if you please, I kind of know what I
[13:29] <TheNavigat> what I'm doing *
[13:29] <bekks> And the same broken APM. :P
[13:29] <TheNavigat> At least relative to others having the same problem
[13:30] <TheNavigat> I'm not mad but it doesn't feel nice when instead of getting actual advice one would just keep being raided with personal attacks and stuff like "You don't even know what you're doing"
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:31] <TheNavigat> There's a hundred ways to phrase "nonsense" without being rude, you know :)
[13:31] <OerHeks> TheNavigat,  you didn't install the nvidia drivers?
[13:31] <TheNavigat> OverHeks: I did, yep
[13:31] <TheNavigat> I have nVidia settings here, that's how I switch
[13:31] <TheNavigat> And that's the only way it works
[13:31] <TheNavigat> One thing though is, it worked earlier
[13:31] <OerHeks> TheNavigat, then you would have an app in systemsettings, prime?
[13:31] <TheNavigat> I just did an upgrade and everything broke
[13:31] <TheNavigat> OverHeks: ope
[13:31] <TheNavigat> Nope *
[13:32] <TheNavigat> There's the NVIDIA X Server Settings, though
[13:32] <TheNavigat> Prime isn't in System Settings, nope
[13:33] <TheNavigat> blackflow: Is there anything on Ubuntu's bug tracking platform I can follow?
[13:33] <OerHeks> TheNavigat, correct, something like this http://i.stack.imgur.com/YZRF0.png
[13:33] <TheNavigat> I forgot its name, unfortunately :(
[13:33] <TheNavigat> I'd like to be able to follow the problem and progress on it
[13:33] <TheNavigat> OverHeks: Yep, I have that :D
[13:39] <Fare> Hi. Can someone with a working cryptroot setup tell me what they what in /etc/initramfs-tools/ ? I can't get it to include /sbin/cryptsetup in the initramfs
[13:58] <vlt> Fare: Two options. Prepend every update-initramfs command with CRYPTSETUP=y or put a valid line to /etc/crypttab.
[13:59] <vlt> Fare: It used to work without that in older versions but both Ubuntu and Debian seem to need that now.
[14:03] <jerald> Anyone know if it's possible to get virtualbox working with secure boot?
[14:03] <jerald> I'm on xubuntu btw
[14:23] <matias> hi, I'm new :)
[14:25] <mag009> wc/
[14:25] <mag009> wc/
[14:27] <clarkk> I need to run a script when a user logs out of lightdm on Ubuntu 16.04, and also when the user shuts down.  This is my attempt so far, but it doesn't run. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98   Can anyone help, please?
[14:30] <MonkeyDust> clarkk  if you don't get an answer here, try and ask in #bash
[14:31] <xan> hi, have problem to install nvidia driver
[14:31] <xan> need help
[14:31] <xan> my desktop has only nvidia video card
[14:32] <xan> using open works
[14:32] <xan> but when i install closed doesent boot
[14:32] <xan> freeze before start GDM
[14:33] <avenger_q> xan: my cock is so frekin hard for terminal!
[14:33] <avenger_q> xan: my cock is so frekin hard for terminal!
[14:34] <BluesKaj> avenger_q, stop that
[14:34] <avenger_q> Blueskaj: why?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> this is a family chat
[14:35] <avenger_q> every time i run sudo-apt-get hard cock it returns an error
[14:36] <BluesKaj> !ops
[14:36] <tutux[m]> try aptitude
[14:36] <BluesKaj> or attitiude
[14:36] <avenger_q> aptitude for my penis is bad
[14:36] <BluesKaj> friggin 13 yr old minds
[14:37] <tutux[m]> aptitude -f install
[14:37] <BluesKaj> thanks, DJones
[14:37] <DJones> BluesKaj: no probs
[14:41] <sruli1> i need some help with lsof, i am trying to test what is the right command to see which process is busy with a mount, i am copying a large file to the mount, when i try to unmount i get the device busy error, but "lsof +D /path/to/mount" returns empty, what paramaters do i need in the lsof command to get the result?
[14:44] <clarkk> MonkeyDust: thanks, but why do you believe it's a bash issue?
[14:47] <MonkeyDust> clarkk  because of this line and i assumed it's a bash syntax issue ... "#!/bin/bash"
[14:48] <clarkk> ok, thanks MonkeyDust. I've posted there, but I'm hoping someone here will have some more ideas
[14:50] <clarkk> restarting. Be back in 10 mins
[14:58] <linux_user> How do I request that an Ubuntu package be updated in the repo?
[15:00] <Joel12345> What can I do against squeezed packets (softnet ~ 6200 events/s)
[15:00] <zykotick9> linux_user: file a wishlist bug...  check was debian unstable is using...  what package is it?
[15:00] <OerHeks> linux_user, depends what, high impact bug, or just a new feature .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#When
[15:01] <MonkeyDust> launchpad comes to my mind
[15:01] <zykotick9> s/check was/check what/
[15:11] <emr> Hello how can i install ubuntu server on hp proliant ml110 gen9 server?
[15:11] <EriC^^> !install | emr
[15:12] <emr> EriC^^, actually i perfectly installed but its not booting
[15:12] <MonkeyDust> emr  start from the beginning, what brings you here
[15:12] <EriC^^> emr: what happens when you boot it
[15:13] <emr> there is ilo thing on hp server
[15:13] <MonkeyDust> emr  'ilo thing'?
[15:13] <EriC^^> ilo?
[15:14] <emr> iLO4 which i dont familiar with also raid configuration
[15:14] <emr> however i dont want to use this features simply i want to install ubuntu server and
[15:15] <emr> boot it thats all
[15:16] <MonkeyDust> ILO is Integrated Lights Out, is what I read here
[15:17] <anouar_ben_othma> hello
[15:25] <linux_user> the package is ansible and they are adding features and fixing bugs like crazy
[15:25] <linux_user> there are a number of bugs fixed between <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>_1
[15:26] <linux_user> is there a faq on filling a wishlist bug?
[15:27] <linux_user> I do not run Debian I run Ubuntu so I have made no checks of Debian
[15:27] <OerHeks> ansible advises their ppa http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/intro_installation.html#latest-releases-via-apt-ubuntu , xenial and yakety is @ <IP_ADDRESS>-1ppa~yakkety
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> linux_user  start here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu/Wishlist
[15:28] <OerHeks> even trusty & precise .. https://launchpad.net/~ansible/+archive/ubuntu/ansible
[15:29] <binBlob> Some packages have the suffix dfsg1, what does it mean?
[15:29] <linux_user> MonkeyDust: is there some way to add my request to that page you are saying? I see no such capability to do so
[15:30] <OerHeks> Debian Free Software Guidelines
[15:31] <binBlob> OerHeks: thanks
[15:32] <linux_user> MonkeyDust: ok, logging in first
[15:42] <juanete> Hi there... still trying to get how to know where the spam in a server is. Does anyone can help how to know or identify in the queue where the spam is coming from? Which domain? thanks
[15:43] <Joel12345> What can I do against squeezed packets (softnet ~ 6200 events/s)
[15:44] <linux_user> OerHeks: those instructions do not work! I followed what ansible website says and I got no upgrade
[15:44] <linux_user> still with <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:45] <MonkeyDust> !info ansible
[15:45] <linux_user> $ sudo apt-get install software-properties-common
[15:45] <linux_user> $ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ansible/ansible
[15:45] <linux_user> $ sudo apt-get update
[15:45] <linux_user> $ sudo apt-get install ansible
[15:45] <linux_user> got the same version I have now
[15:45] <linux_user> broken!
[15:46] <DanielStroeter> Hey guys, I want to shrink a LVM2 partition. I managed to shrink the logical volumes. Now i have a gap between two logical volumes. I want to move the physical extends to the end of the partition, in order to shrink the partition with gparted
[15:46] <linux_user> Oh, that is for 16.10!
[15:46] <DanielStroeter> Do you guys know how to move the free segments to the end of the partition?
[15:46] <linux_user> I am running 16.04
[15:47] <linux_user> I will work on doing the upgrade to 16.10 then
[15:47] <linux_user> I have 16.10 in a VM, let me see what version I have on there
[15:47] <OerHeks> xenial is also on <IP_ADDRESS>-1ppa~xenial
[15:47] <OerHeks> odd
[15:48] <linux_user> I was hoping to get the latest ansible via apt-get on 16.04
[15:49] <SchrodingersScat> !latest | linux_user
[15:50] <RedBone> dread
[15:50] <linux_user> SchrodingersScat: Thanks...I forgot 16.04 is lts and if I go to 16.10 I'll have newer packages, will do that this week. I was meaning too anyway
[15:50] <RedBone> 1908 but no one is alive
[15:51] <linux_user> <IP_ADDRESS> is on 16.10, you are right!
[15:51] <ekesh> how can i join an irc channel ?
[15:51] <SchrodingersScat> ekesh: /join #nameofchannel
[15:52] <SchrodingersScat> RedBone: +-.5
[15:52] <ekesh> thanks
[15:59] <skinux> If I purge Apache and then reinstall it, will it have out-of-box settings too?
[15:59] <Netek> skinux thats the idea, it removes all aspect of Apache from the machine including configuration files
[16:05] <DanielStroeter> Nevermind, i id the trick with pvmove and moved the oartition next to the other. Thereby the free pe emerged at the end.
[16:05] <DanielStroeter> Have a nice day!
[16:12] <Howser> how do you get to group chat?
[16:13] <ViciousLooRoll> best cheap 2-in-1 laptop for ubuntu?
[16:14] <misha1> Hello. Im using lubuntu on a netbook with a few keys broken. How can I remap three keys without using xmodmap
[16:14] <af1> welcome Shentino
[16:14] <af1> dont know misha
[16:14] <af1> :/
[16:15] <OerHeks> misha1, xmodmap would be the tool to do that
[16:15] <OerHeks> so i wonder, why not xmodmap?
[16:15] <skinux> Wow. I just purged and reinstalled Apache, it's still redirecting too many times
[16:18] <MAmine> Hello, Is there a way to use KDE's "input method" instead of the default ubuntu's because it works correctly. the ubuntu's turns off the numlock each time I switch the layout (its a known bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1247668 )
[16:19] <misha1> OerHeks: there has been a bug that causes Xorg run at 100% CPU and make the system unresponsive for 5 minutes if there is a .Xmodmap file is present or a xmodmap loaded.
[16:20] <misha1> tried it already
[16:24] <OerHeks> so you have 'few keys broken' .. what bugreport exactly?
[16:25] <InstallingUbuntu> Hey, I was on yesterday trying to fix my Ubuntu installation. Can anyone help?
[16:27] <juanete> does anydoy knows how to close all instances running for port 25?
[16:27] <juanete> It looks like the server is sending spam
[16:27] <juanete> I've close it and with
[16:27] <juanete> watch 'netstat -na | grep :25'
[16:27] <juanete> Still having problems
[16:30] <vlt> juanete: You could DROP any connection to a port 25 with iptables. Then have a look at what is left ;-)
[16:33] <MAmine> \leave
[16:33] <juanete> vlt: thnks!
[16:41] <dbb> hi all - what process at Canonical decides which python updates are shipped in "required" system updates
[16:41] <dbb> I have a project in Python 2.7x and I do NOT want the environment destabilized with daily security things
[16:42] <dbb> I will write a letter on paper to that effect too
[16:42] <dbb> 16.04
[16:42] <juanete> Does this means that the server is used spamming? https://i.imgur.com/q3iWrGy.png
[16:42] <BluesKaj> dbb, ask in #ubuntu-dev, you'll probly get a quicker answer there
[16:43] <dbb> thx
[16:43] <BluesKaj> dbb, sorry #ubuntu-devel
[16:43] <juanete> this mail fight is hard...
[16:43] <wiggmpk> Does anyone have a solution for Facebook Messenger via Empathy? I have tried adding the haze extension here https://openrepos.net/content/nodevel/facebook-messenger-account without success
[16:44] <juanete> I'm readung hours and hours though internet regarding the spam and I can't find how to know where the spam is getting through inside the domains in the server...
[16:46] <ioria> juanete, maybe this helps http://serverfault.com/questions/23385/huge-amount-of-time-wait-connections-says-netstat
[16:47] <juanete> ioria: checking... thnks
[16:48] <Joel12345> What can I do against squeezed packets (softnet ~ 6200 events/s)
[16:49] <juanete> ioria: the easy question is. In the image I've sent (thnks for taking a look) the IP addresses and then the :25 is the port, correct?
[16:49] <juanete> I mean, all of those instances are 25 port?
[16:49] <ioria> yep
[16:49] <ioria> smtp
[16:49] <juanete> how could this be if I have it close?
[16:49] <ioria> you close 25, when you kill postfix or others
[16:50] <juanete> how is the better way for sending info from forms in wordpress or prestashop using postfix or others? Alll of them uses 25 port?
[16:51] <ioria> postfix will use 25 or the the 465 or 587 (i guess)
[16:52] <ioria> juanete, 465  is the 'ssl version' = secure  of 25
[16:52] <warscar> hi
[16:52] <warscar> I'm new to linux
[16:53] <warscar> what we use xchat for?
[16:53] <InstallingUbuntu> irc chat
[16:53] <szafa> its irc program xD
[16:53] <warscar> irc meaning
[16:53] <warscar> :)
[16:53] <szafa> internet relay chat
[16:53] <warscar> oh okay
[16:54] <Biscuit-> Internet relay chat
[16:54] <warscar> so, we chat about tech here
[16:54] <Biscuit-> What you're on right now
[16:54] <warscar> or like, about linux
[16:54] <Biscuit-> The are many channels
[16:54] <warscar> well, backbox
[16:54] <warscar> 4.6
[16:54] <Biscuit-> There's a Linux channel too
[16:54] <szafa> ##linux
[16:54] <Joel12345> What can I do against squeezed packets (softnet ~ 6200 events/s)
[16:54] <Biscuit-> You could look it up and join it :)
[16:55] <warscar> so right now im on ubuntu server
[16:55] <juanete> ioria: I think I have to stop it and open it again when I'm ready.
[16:55] <juanete> Any easy way to stop postfix temporaly?
[16:56] <warscar> see you guys. Thanks. <3
[16:59] <ioria> juanete,  sudo service postfix stop
[17:01] <InstallingUbuntu> I finally got Ubuntu installed on my old machine, but whenever I try to boot up, I get a black screen. I set the boot option to nomodeset and removed quiet splash, now I'm getting this: "Starting to load fallback graphics devices [fail]"
[17:02] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, what ubuntu ?
[17:02] <InstallingUbuntu> 12.04
[17:03] <InstallingUbuntu> the only one we found compatible with my old machine
[17:03] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, which is ?
[17:03] <InstallingUbuntu> Ubuntu 12.04
[17:04] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, which is your machine ?
[17:04] <InstallingUbuntu> oh
[17:04] <InstallingUbuntu> An old custom pc I bought years ago
[17:04] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, ok, cpu,ram video card ?
[17:05] <InstallingUbuntu> not sure what cpu, 2gb ram, had the page for my video card open a while ago, let me look
[17:05] <juanete> ioria: thnks a lot
[17:06] <ioria> juanete,  no prob
[17:06] <InstallingUbuntu> ASRock P4I65GV - motherboard - micro ATX - Socket 478 - i865GV
[17:06] <InstallingUbuntu> Graphics: Intel Extreme Graphics 2
[17:06] <ioria> amd
[17:07] <ioria> no, sorry
[17:07] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, pentium 4 ?
[17:07] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[17:07] <juanete> ioria: Having lot's of SMTP instance. https://i.imgur.com/cBVXnAY.png
[17:08] <ioria> juanete,  have you stopped your smtp ?
[17:08] <InstallingUbuntu> back in 1 min
[17:09] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, i'd use lubuntu, for starter
[17:10] <juanete> ioria: I guess so...
[17:10] <juanete> Let me check how to be sure I did
[17:10] <ioria> juanete,  maybe it's ot postfix, but exim, or another
[17:10] <ioria> *not
[17:10] <abhishek> I am new to ubuntu. Why does ubuntu have much older kernel than the current one?
[17:11] <ducasse> !latest | abhishek
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> !newest | abhishek here's why
[17:11] <MonkeyDust> ducasse  was faster
[17:12] <juanete> Look /var/log# telnet localhost 25 Trying <IP_ADDRESS>... Trying ::1... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[17:12] <ioria> juanete,  sudo lsof -i :25
[17:12] <Guest60872> gentleman, i'm upgrading from django 1.5 to 1.6, willing to finaly upgrade with everything tested to 1.10. the first problem i'v encountered was with the manager.py itself. to solve that i'v copied the template manager.py from the django folder. didn't worked the first try, it didn't found settings.py, so i'v changed os.environ.setdefault("DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE", "{{ project_name }}.settings") to os.environ.setdefault("DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE", "settings")
[17:12] <Guest60872> and it started! but it doesn't find my projects modules. all my structure is like import "projectrootfolder"."module"."models, for example. it doesn't find thanks to the first "projectfolder" is not found
[17:13] <Apachez> where in compizconfig do I set the settings for how marking things on the desktop is performed? Like if the rectangle should have a solid color or a dotted line?
[17:13] <DebianTUX> is there a standard way to solve this problem? or will i need to change every import from my application to remove the root project folder import?
[17:13] <DebianTUX> ops, sorry, wrong channel
[17:13] <abhishek> when you backport a kernel. One backports all commits right? Not just the security ones.
[17:13] <juanete> ioria: Look!!! https://i.imgur.com/LC3rIk8.png
[17:13] <juanete> Exim
[17:14] <ioria> juanete,  stop exim, then
[17:15] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm back
[17:16] <InstallingUbuntu> ioria someone told me if ubuntu won't work neither will lubunti
[17:16] <InstallingUbuntu> lubuntu*
[17:16] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  i don't agree
[17:17] <juanete> ioria: weird it looks like exim isn't in my sytem... therefore... why I have that messages in the trace you told me?
[17:17] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, but why 12.04 ? pentium 4 intel graphics and 2 giga are good for 14.04 or even 16.10 ?
[17:18] <InstallingUbuntu> ioria I tried 16.10 but I would always get a black screen or frozen splash screen
[17:18] <InstallingUbuntu> I've made some progress with 12.04
[17:19] <ioria> juanete,  exim is running  , i guess, otherwise the output of the cmd whould have been blank
[17:19] <EriC^^> InstallingUbuntu: did you try nomodeset?
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm on it right now
[17:19] <EriC^^> wait you get a screen with the live usb?
[17:19] <EriC^^> "try ubuntu"
[17:19] <EriC^^> oh
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> I already installed Ubuntu
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> completely
[17:19] <InstallingUbuntu> from live usb
[17:19] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  are you in  console  ?
[17:19] <EriC^^> yeah i mean it works in the live one right?
[17:20] <InstallingUbuntu> ioria I can get to the recovery console
[17:20] <EriC^^> InstallingUbuntu: install the drivers it was using in the live usb, i think that'd work
[17:20] <EriC^^> InstallingUbuntu: which vga?
[17:20] <EriC^^> lspci -k | grep -A2 VGA
[17:20] <InstallingUbuntu> Intel Extreme Graphics 2
[17:20] <InstallingUbuntu> oh
[17:20] <InstallingUbuntu> 1 sec
[17:21] <InstallingUbuntu> Starting to load fallback graphics devices [fail] <this is the error I get after I removed quiet splash, by the way
[17:22] <ioria> on recovery, you'll get false positives :þ
[17:22] <InstallingUbuntu> that's not from recovery
[17:22] <InstallingUbuntu> I edited the grep launch options
[17:22] <InstallingUbuntu> removed quiet splash, added nomodeset
[17:23] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  grub, you mean
[17:23] <juanete> ioria: I really appreciatte your help it's time to investigate with those details. EVenthough I didn't install exim and exim isn't in the system, and no exim logs either in /var/log, so it's really weird. Will investigate why I'm having such a SMTP 25 port running with TIME_WAIT.
[17:23] <InstallingUbuntu> grub, sorry
[17:23] <juanete> ioria: Thank you
[17:23] <ioria> juanete,  ok
[17:23] <InstallingUbuntu> ok, I have recovery shell open
[17:24] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  post the output of the command EriC^^ posted
[17:24] <InstallingUbuntu> Just did it
[17:25] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  the full output
[17:25] <InstallingUbuntu> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[17:26] <InstallingUbuntu> Subsystem:ASRock Incorperation device 2572
[17:26] <InstallingUbuntu> Kernel modules: intelfb, i915
[17:26] <InstallingUbuntu> thats it
[17:26] <InstallingUbuntu> back in 1 min
[17:26] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  are you sure you're using nomodeset ?
[17:29] <us12354> hi guys, how can i mount encrypted hd, thanks, i-m in live with ubuntu 16.04
[17:29] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm back
[17:29] <InstallingUbuntu> yes, I'm using nomodeset
[17:30] <InstallingUbuntu> 100% sure
[17:31] <InstallingUbuntu> If I don't use nomodeset and just try to boot regularly I get a black screen
[17:31] <vlt> us12354: If it’s LUKS encrypted you should be able to just plug it in and your system will ask you for the passphrase and then mount it. Without a desktop environment you use `cryptsetup luksOpen` to open and then mount to mount it.
[17:31] <ducasse> us12354: http://askubuntu.com/questions/63594/mount-encrypted-volumes-from-command-line#63598
[17:32] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  bynow, are you on Recovery, or logged in via console ?
[17:33] <InstallingUbuntu> Recovery
[17:33] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, try to boot again and login via console (ctrl+alt+fX)
[17:34] <InstallingUbuntu> fx?
[17:34] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, F1 (or F2)
[17:34] <olmari> with LUKS might need to install, was it, cryptsetup if it is not installed, but generally like vlt said... if it is true- or veracrypt, then you need to install mentioned program... generally same for any obscure crypting program
[17:34] <olmari> no idea about windows encrypted stuff in linux
[17:35] <InstallingUbuntu> I rebooted, I'm at the grub screen. Pressing ctrl+alt+f1/2 does nothing
[17:35] <InstallingUbuntu> Should I go to recovery and try it?
[17:36] <xan> hi, i have problem with nvidia driver and GDM. need help
[17:36] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, not at the grub screen, let it run .... wait a bit, then open a console
[17:37] <InstallingUbuntu> If I choose just to start ubuntu 12.04 (not recovery) It won't respond to any keystrokes
[17:37] <xan> desktop pc with only geforce 750TI, with pervious version of ubuntu works perfectly. but with 16.10 when i install nvidia driver GDM doesent start. if i use XDM work fine
[17:37] <xan> need help pls
[17:38] <misha1> OerHeks: yes, a few physical keys are broken, like the uestion mark. Do you have any useful information for me
[17:38] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, ok, so in grub, edit the kernel boot line and  add   ' text ' (without quote) after nomodeset
[17:38] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, so, you'll have a 'text boot'
[17:38] <InstallingUbuntu> so, > nomodeset text
[17:38] <ioria> yup
[17:39] <xan> help me
[17:39] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, F10 then
[17:40] <InstallingUbuntu> booting...
[17:40] <puffinz> xan, have you tried uninstalling gdm and reinstalling it?
[17:40] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, you should end up in console
[17:40] <xan> puffinz i try to reformat
[17:40] <puffinz> xan, no need to do a full install
[17:40] <xan> reinstall it should works?
[17:41] <InstallingUbuntu> ioria It seems to be stuck
[17:41] <puffinz> just "sudo apt-get remove gdm" "sudo apt-get install gdm"
[17:41] <xan> puffinz i already reformat to do a try
[17:41] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, wait a bit ....
[17:41] <misha1> Hello. Im using lubuntu on a netbook with a few physical keys broken. How can I remap three keys in lubuntu
[17:41] <xan> try reinstall gdm now
[17:41] <InstallingUbuntu> fsck from util-linux 2.20.1
[17:42] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, what you had on that pc before ?
[17:42] <InstallingUbuntu> Windows 7 Ultimate
[17:42] <InstallingUbuntu> Overwrote it when I installed Ubuntu
[17:42] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, the hd is ok ?
[17:43] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm pretty sure, yeah
[17:43] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, still stuck ?
[17:43] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[17:43] <clarkk> spent another day on this lightdm "run script on log out" problem. See my code  https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98   It seems that the script is run with id=root, but with the USER and HOME variables set to the current user. When it creates files, the files are owned by id. Is there any way to properly change the user to the current user. Even using sudo -Hnu myuser /usr/local/bin/testing-logoff-script2, the log
[17:44] <InstallingUbuntu> it got as far as last time, but without the "Starting to load fallback graphics devices [fail]"
[17:44] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  try to   ctrl+alt+f2
[17:44] <InstallingUbuntu> nothing happens
[17:44] <ducasse> misha1: if you can't use xmodmap you will have to use xkbcomp.
[17:45] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  have you tried resume from the Recovery menu ?
[17:45] <nullsign> Test
[17:45] <InstallingUbuntu> yes, it gives me a different problem
[17:46] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  which is ?
[17:47] <InstallingUbuntu> stuck on * Starting CUPS printing/spooling server     [OK]
[17:47] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  if it's a fresh install, and you can't open a console , i'd say 'bad media or bad iso'
[17:48] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  how did you do the usb ?
[17:48] <ducasse> InstallingUbuntu: it failed to write properly the first time around, didn't it?
[17:48] <InstallingUbuntu> I started with rufus, after that didn't work I went to UNetbootin, and after that didn't work I went back to rufus
[17:48] <InstallingUbuntu> Yeah, so I installed it from scratch
[17:49] <InstallingUbuntu> 2 different usbs and a new iso
[17:49] <InstallingUbuntu> first iso downloaded from ubuntus servers
[17:49] <InstallingUbuntu> 2nd iso from ubuntu torrent
[17:49] <xan> puffinz done but not works
[17:49] <xan> puffinz lightDM and xdm works. gdm not
[17:49] <InstallingUbuntu> I think the install is good, its just my graphics
[17:50] <InstallingUbuntu> or something along the lines
[17:50] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, it's intel, right ?
[17:50] <InstallingUbuntu> what part?
[17:50] <InstallingUbuntu> cpu?
[17:50] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, the graphics
[17:51] <InstallingUbuntu> yes
[17:51] <xan> lightDM and xdm works. GDM not
[17:51] <InstallingUbuntu> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[17:52] <InstallingUbuntu> this is from the command earlier^
[17:52] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, grep "model"  /proc/cpuinfo
[17:52] <howarth> Filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1647184
[17:53] <howarth> Ubuntu really needs to add those two Fedora 24 installer features
[17:53] <howarth> I was shocked to find that Fedora 24 could install a bootable installation of x86_64 Fedora on a EFI-32 MacBook Pro 2,1
[17:53] <InstallingUbuntu> Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.0Ghz
[17:54] <howarth> They are using the trick described in http://askubuntu.com/questions/563401/efi-boot-ubuntu-14-04-on-a-mac-without-refind automatically in anaconda
[17:54] <xan> puffinz any idea?
[17:54] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, you can boot to recovery, enable networking, and try to update-upgrade-dist-upgrade
[17:55] <howarth> The EFI-32 business I am guessing is due to their use of a failback.efi file but I am certain
[17:55] <InstallingUbuntu> recovery>network?
[17:55] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu, yes,   but for me, i'd download lubuntu 14.04
[17:55] <howarth> That in particular would be useful to non-Mac users as many PC owners may be stuck with EFI-32 firmware as well
[17:56] <InstallingUbuntu> It gets stuck on modem-manager
[17:56] <eelstrebor> i've been trying to install 16.04.1 on a 1TB HDD but it keeps telling me i have a lagacy system on the drive and tells me i need to force the uefi install even though i wiped the drive before starting
[17:56] <InstallingUbuntu> there's a list of stuff
[17:57] <InstallingUbuntu> still stuck...
[17:57] <eelstrebor> not to mention that the install locks up when i click on continue
[17:57] <InstallingUbuntu> is there any way I can set up the network and do this from the recovery command line?
[17:57] <anddam> hello, I just installed a 16.10 and then package samba, upon trying to enable the service I get
[17:57] <anddam> update-rc.d: error: samba Default-Start contains no runlevels, aborting.
[17:58] <anddam> in fact I can see that     lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   9 set 18 12:26 /lib/systemd/system/samba.service -> /dev/null    and that seems a bit odd
[17:58] <anddam> any hint about that?
[17:58] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  you can't enable networking ?
[17:59] <InstallingUbuntu> no
[17:59] <InstallingUbuntu> It gets stuck
[17:59] <InstallingUbuntu> I have to go through the command line
[17:59] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  cabled connection ?
[18:00] <InstallingUbuntu> wireless
[18:00] <InstallingUbuntu> Don't have cables where I am currently
[18:00] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  a laptop ?
[18:00] <InstallingUbuntu> its a desktop
[18:01] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  yes, with wpasupplicant,  and ifconfig you can set up it manually ... but it's a pain
[18:07] <ocean> hello
[18:07] <haricot> Hi, after much research, I am still unable run a a custom script of mine. Really, it is a file that simply runs a few commands. I have tried multiple areas of my system: init.d, rc.local, and  crontab. None of these methods have worked for me. And of course, I can run my script manually, and it works fine. It also works under startup applications in gnome, but I do not mainly use gnome, I use i3. I really appreciate any help given.
[18:08] <ducasse> haricot: what exactly does it do?
[18:09] <haricot> ducasse: what does my script do?
[18:09] <ducasse> haricot: yes
[18:09] <zykotick9> haricot: exec_always in .i3/config perhaps?
[18:10] <haricot> zykotick9: I was thinking of trying that too, but haven't. Im fighting with my OCD aboutgetting it to work in /etc/init.d
[18:10] <ducasse> haricot: or ~/.xsessionrc, so it runs independent of environment.
[18:10] <haricot> ducasse: the script maps ctrl to my space bar
[18:10] <InstallingUbuntu> Is there a way I could connect my tower to my laptop with an ethernet cord and piggyback off the wifi?
[18:10] <ducasse> haricot: with setxkbmap?
[18:10] <haricot> ducasse: no, xmodmap and xcape
[18:11] <InstallingUbuntu> And no. the ethernet cord is not long enough to reach the router
[18:11] <ducasse> haricot: then it will need access to an x server, so put it in ~/.xsessionrc. an init script will not work.
[18:12] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  maybe easier, boot the livecd, and chroot
[18:12] <haricot> ducasse: thanks, ill give it a go. Why does it need an x server?
[18:12] <haricot> ducasse: because i3 is used?
[18:13] <ducasse> haricot: because of the 'x' in 'xmodmap'. it's an x tool.
[18:13] <haricot> duh...
[18:13] <haricot> hahaha
[18:13] <haricot> ducasse: thanks for that.
[18:13] <ducasse> haricot: np.
[18:13] <InstallingUbuntu> chroot?
[18:15] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  yes, you mount your root partition, mount the critical fs, chroot and upgrade your installed system from there...
[18:16] <InstallingUbuntu> grub doesn't seem to recognize the usb
[18:17] <ioria> InstallingUbuntu,  bios recognizes the usb, not grub ...
[18:17] <InstallingUbuntu> I'm taking a break, I'll be back in a bit
[18:17] <InstallingUbuntu> i know, bios doesnt either
[18:27] <slavanap> Hello. I get these error messages when copying disk to iso with brasero. What does they mean? Am I have a bad CD or this is driver issue? http://hastebin.com/xocuqaboqa.sql
[18:29] <ducasse> slavanap: looks like bad disk or bad drive
[18:29] <ilhami> hey!
[18:29] <ducasse> slavanap: i'd guess disc if others work fine.
[18:30] <slavanap> ducasse, well I don't know if other would work. Brasero stuck on 99% when copying. Will try others soon.
[18:32] <slavanap> ducasse, now trying `sudo dd if=/dev/sr0 of=Disk.iso status=progress` if that make any difference...
[18:33] <ikonia> or /win 4
[18:33] <ikonia> oops, sorry
[18:33] <slavanap> ducasse, dd finished well..... brasero bug?
[18:34] <ocean_> hello guys
[18:34] <ducasse> slavanap: hard to say
[18:34] <JamesTc> I have a ssl question, but #openssl seems rather quiet, so i was wondering if it would be okay to ask it here ?
[18:35] <ikonia> JamesTc: probably not
[18:35] <ikonia> JamesTc: if it's something to do with openssl #openssl is the right place, if it's to do with ubuntus SSL build, here is fine
[18:36] <slavanap> I wonder how AudioCD is mounted. dd if=/dev/sr0 returns error.
[18:36] <zykotick9> slavanap: audio cds aren't mounted
[18:37] <slavanap> zykotick9, how to dd them then?
[18:37] <zykotick9> slavanap: ? not something i've tried to do...
[18:38] <slavanap> zykotick9, looks like copying .wav files is the only option
[18:38] <slavanap> *from AudioCD
[18:39] <MonkeyDust> slavanap  havent followed... you can also copy audio files from cd, with the 'jack' command
[18:39] <ducasse> slavanap: you don't mount something you intend to read/write with dd
[18:39] <MonkeyDust> slavanap  jack -k lets you keep the files in .wav format
[18:39] <slavanap> ducasse, whatever, AudioCD can't be read via /dev/sr0 not /dev/cdrom
[18:39] <slavanap> *nor
[18:40] <JamesTc> ikonia: Its properly more of a generic ssl question to be honest.      If i generate a ssl csr file on ubuntu, register it online as a wildcard certificate with "lets say" rapidssl.  Will i be able to use this certificate with both my ubuntu servers, windows iis servers and so on?    (rapidssl has a few guides on how to generate for diferent services like apache/ iis mac server and so on.    I would hate to end up spending 800ish usd o
[18:40] <JamesTc> being broken
[18:40] <ikonia> JamesTc: "yes" but for the record thats nothing to do with this channel, as you rightly suggested
[18:41] <slavanap> MonkeyDust, trying jack -k now. Will report if it's similar just copying files via File Manager.
[18:41] <JamesTc> ikonia:   Thanks for helping out despite my request falling short of the channels topic.    It will put my heart at ease.
[18:47] <ibispi> hi
[18:48] <ibispi> i want to download ubuntu for my desktop computer, which version should i download? What's ubuntu kylin?
[18:49] <EriC^^> ibispi: 16.04
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> ibispi  kylin is ubuntu for chinese customers
[18:49] <EriC^^> ibispi: ubuntu kylin is a chinese version
[18:49] <evhTap> Hey
[18:49] <ibispi> ah
[18:49] <evhTap> Just download the latest LTS
[18:49] <ibispi> ok
[18:49] <evhTap> I believe it's 16.04
[18:49] <ibispi> hmm
[18:50] <ibispi> that's the latest version for ubuntu "long term support"
[18:50] <evhTap> Yup
[18:50] <ibispi> ok
[18:50] <evhTap> LTS
[18:50] <ibispi> yea
[18:50] <evhTap> That means that all apps released in the next five years will support it
[18:51] <evhTap> 5 years later, they'll release the next LTS
[18:51] <evhTap> 18.04
[18:51] <xan_IT> hi guys i have problem with nvidia driver and GDM
[18:51] <tgm4883> evhTap: uh, not all apps released in the next 5 years will support 16.04
[18:51] <slavanap> MonkeyDust, well `jack -k` doesn't add any comments to file, while copying through file manager adds `gvfs-cdda using libcdio 0.83 x86_64-pc-linux-gnu` as a comment to .wav file.
[18:52] <slavanap> MonkeyDust, Thanks for info about jack
[18:52] <evhTap> Really?
[18:52] <ioria> slavanap, you need to rip and convert songs ?
[18:53] <slavanap> ioria, rip. I've already did that 2 ways :D
[18:53] <tgm4883> evhTap: yea, I'm not even sure where you got that information
[18:53] <slavanap> ioria, jack -k or copying via filemanader.
[18:53] <evhTap> Wow I may have gotten false information
[18:53] <evhTap> Thanks for correcting me
[18:53] <ioria> slavanap, i use sound-juicer and set preferences to mp3
[18:53] <evhTap> And sorry to the newbie for misleading him
[18:54] <ibispi> o;
[18:54] <tgm4883> evhTap: in fact, that's actually one of the biggest knocks, that it doesn't get updated apps for lots of things
[18:54] <slavanap> ioria, fyi, jack -k additionally converts to .ogg
[18:54] <ioria> slavanap, sound-juicer  too
[18:54] <ibispi> i should still download that version, right?
[18:54] <tgm4883> ibispi: yes you should
[18:55] <ibispi> k
[18:55] <ibispi> thx guys
[18:55] <HelloWorld123> I have a user folder that is syncronized in /home/user and /export/user ... what topic should I be asking about to find out why that /export mirror exists and if its safe to delete it, etc.
[18:55] <slavanap> ioria, yeah. They both (soundjuicer & jack) uses same lib CD Cdparanoia
[18:55] <ioria> yep, but it's slow :(
[18:56] <slavanap> ioria, File Manager uses libcdio to copy as .wav files.
[18:56] <ioria> slavanap, .wav are huge !
[18:56] <xan_IT> lightDM and XDM works but GDM not with nvdia driver. help me pls
[18:57] <slavanap> ioria, I prefer lossless. wav -> flac. And things done.
[18:57] <ioria> slavanap, yeah
[18:57] <slavanap> ioria, :D
[18:57] <claude_> Salut toutes et tous
[18:58] <zykotick9> slavanap: <sidenote> if you have a lot of cds to rip, i'd suggest "abcde" it's a command line ripper/encoder, but YMMV.  good luck.
[19:00] <slavanap> zykotick9, thanks for the info. I don't have that much CDs. :)
[19:01] <HelloWorld123> I have a user folder that is syncronized in /home/user and /export/user ... what topic should I be asking about to find out why that /export mirror exists and if its safe to delete it, etc.
[19:01] <claude_> Hello
[19:07] <yenclgj5nlw> Hi all! I had a kubuntu 16.04 which installation had failed at installing grub (may be middle of process). I had installed grub manually and rebooted into system. Surprizingly it worked, but som issues are. From the visible ones I can mention installer in the menu. Then I upgraded the packages, rebooted and tried release upgrade to 16.10 using do-release-upgrade -m desktop, it said that storage consumption will be increased by ~100
[19:07] <yenclgj5nlw> …ad failed: there were lots of errors in process including python scripts crashes because of type casting errors and hanged on some openssl package. So I killed it manually (first depkg, second yakkety). Then I tried again but it said it is already upgraded. Then I tried apt update and apt upgrade. It said about lots of conflicts. Then I messed a bit with aptitude and forcely installed a package it adviced me to upgrade (iputils-
[19:07] <yenclgj5nlw> …t occupied storage will be increased by ~700 mib. During its installation it installed lot of packages including icons, fonts ,kernel, etc and even several times writed grub into mbr.  Then I apt upgrade -f, it said that occupied storage will be increased by ~700 mib again. Should I done right? Or what should I do to correct?
[19:08] <yenclgj5nlw> *Have I done right?
[19:09] <[twisti]> i have a problem with a remote server not coming back up. i suspect it might be checking the HDDs for damage - its responding to pings, but not to ssh. is HDD checking something that happens between those two phases ?
[19:10] <ice9> with nvidia FXAA enabled, i still get too much aliasing in the game, any idea?
[19:10] <ikonia> no
[19:10] <ikonia> thats normally the first thing it does, check the file system
[19:10] <[twisti]> before bringing up the network interface ?
[19:10] <ikonia> if it's on the network the file system checks have passed
[19:10] <[twisti]> ok
[19:10] <[twisti]> then i wonder wtf its doing, i hate not being able to see
[19:10] <ikonia> don't swear please, there is no need
[19:10] <[twisti]> if i boot into a rescue disc, is there any way to check whats going wrong with the boot ?
[19:11] <ikonia> [twisti]: view the logs
[19:11] <ikonia> don't know how you'll use the rescue disk though as it won't be on the network
[19:11] <Jordan_U> yenclgj5nlw: Sounds like it might be best to just install 16.10 from scratch.
[19:11] <[twisti]> im not really a linux guy, which logs would contain relevant information ?
[19:11] <ikonia> [twisti]: the syslog would be a start
[19:12] <[twisti]> our provider (hetzner) has a remote control interface that allows booting a system off a rescue disc, with the hdds mounted
[19:12] <[twisti]> so unless the boot issues are hardware related, that should work
[19:13] <[twisti]> its running LTS 12, so i wouldnt be totally opposed to just not fixing it in lieu of a new 16.10 LTS
[19:13] <ikonia> 16.10 is not lts
[19:14] <[twisti]> oh, weird
[19:14] <ikonia> not really
[19:14] <yenclgj5nlw> JordanU, I can't: my bios doesn't see my flash drive if there is syslinux (or what ubuntu uses) on it. I tried kexec, but either I do wrong or it is unkexecable.
[19:14] <[twisti]> i thought the odd year releases always made it to LTS
[19:14] <ikonia> 16.04 is
[19:14] <[twisti]> ah, my bad, i thought you were saying there was no 2016 LTS
[19:15] <[twisti]> you were objecting to the .10
[19:15] <ducasse> [twisti]: lts releases are made every two years
[19:16] <yenclgj5nlw> One more question. I need gpu OpenCL and I have AMD pre-GCN videocard. How can I get it?
[19:16] <mango_> I've installed ubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu Server 14.04 but I don't see a GUI, am I missing a step?
[19:17] <ioria> mango_, sudo service lightdm start (or restart)
[19:17] <mango_> unrecognised servoce
[19:18] <mango_> service
[19:18] <ioria> mango_,  dpkg -l | grep lightdm
[19:18] <slavanap> ikonia, quick question related to LTSes. If I develop an app and it works in 16.04 LTS, is it guaranteed that it work in any 16.*/17.* before next LTS releases?
[19:19] <slavanap> *before next LTS release
[19:19] <mango_> @ioria - I'm installing now
[19:19] <ioria> mango_,  weird
[19:19] <mango_> @ioria - is lightdm meant to be available by default?
[19:20] <ioria> mango_,  a sec, please
[19:20] <slavanap> mango_, in Ubuntu - yes.
[19:20] <ioria> mango_,  yep
[19:20] <mango_> ioria: this is a large package, still going
[19:20] <slavanap> in Ubuntu Desktop
[19:20] <ioria> mango_,  something wrong
[19:21] <mango_> nothing wrong, installing on a VM, taking a while to install lightdm
[19:21] <ioria> mango_,  let's see
[19:23] <mango_> ioria: ok the GUI is setup
[19:23] <mango_> but the password is not recognised
[19:23] <ioria> mango_,  ls -al ~/.Xauthority
[19:23] <mango_> the guest account doesn't log me in either
[19:23] <CSGSJay> Hi guys, some scary news https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5ggl7c/the_intel_management_engine_me_theres_a_separate/
[19:24] <ioria> mango_,  ls -al ~/.Xauthority    and cat ~/.xsession-errors
[19:24] <mango_> ioria: can't seem to get to a command line prompt
[19:25] <ioria> mango_,   ctrl+alt+f1
[19:25] <yenclgj5nlw> CSGSJay, good morning.
[19:26] <CSGSJay> yenclgj5nlw: Good morning lad
[19:26] <mango_> ioria: no such file .X..
[19:27] <mango_> ioria: wait
[19:27] <yenclgj5nlw> CSGSJay, though it is in  Russian, but must read. Use gtranslate https://xakep.ru/2011/12/26/58104/
[19:29] <mango_> ioria: no .Xauthority file
[19:29] <slavanap> CSGSJay, that's why Intel invented microcode patches that nobody can review or audit either.
[19:30] <ioria> mango_,  cat ~/.xsession-errors   ?
[19:30] <yoshimitsu> hi, i deleted /usr/share/mime/mime.cache
[19:30] <yoshimitsu> is that bad?
[19:31] <yoshimitsu> do i need it? can it regenerate itself?
[19:31] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: why? You shouldn't be manually managing files outside of your home directory
[19:32] <yoshimitsu> well clamav complaimed about it
[19:32] <tgm4883> ah, the use of AV strikes again
[19:33] <yoshimitsu> tgm4883: can i regenerate it somewhow?
[19:33] <szafatron> what is the best video editor available on ubuntu?
[19:33] <zykotick9> szafatron: what is the best colour available in crayons?
[19:33] <mango_> ioria: I'm just going to suck it up for now
[19:33] <EriC^^> szafatron: openshot is ok
[19:33] <mango_> ioria: start being hardcore with the cmd line
[19:33] <EriC^^> zykotick9: rainbow obviously
[19:34] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: do you have 	gnome-commander-data installed?
[19:34] <mango_> ioria: thanks for your efforts Time isn't on my side.
[19:34] <ioria> mango_, sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[19:34] <ioria> mango_, ha, ok
[19:34] <[twisti]> i have managed to boot into my recovery, and before i do anything else, i would like to rerun grub - i deleted some old boot images the other day and i figure maybe i made a typo and deleted something i didnt mean to. can someone point me to the right direction of rerunning grub now that i have /boot mounted to /mnt/a ? ive never before ran grub manually and dont want it to mess up because of
[19:34] <[twisti]> the changed paths
[19:34] <yoshimitsu> tgm4883: installing nw
[19:34] <yoshimitsu> *now
[19:34] <zykotick9> EriC^^: "rainbow" isn't even in colour, it's made up of a number of colours.  ;)
[19:35] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: did you not already have it installed?
[19:35] <EriC^^> zykotick9: no. way. :p
[19:35] <yoshimitsu> tgm4883: no
[19:35] <yoshimitsu> installed now
[19:35] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: hmm, interesting
[19:35] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: which version of ubuntu is this?
[19:35] <yoshimitsu> 16.04
[19:36] <yoshimitsu> anyway to get it back?
[19:36] <yoshimitsu> or make a new one?
[19:36] <EriC^^> [twisti]: i suggest to chroot and reinstall the grub packages
[19:36] <yoshimitsu> mimme.cache that is
[19:37] <ducasse> yoshimitsu: try update-mime-database
[19:37] <mango_> ioria: ha - thanks
[19:37] <ioria> mango_,  no prob
[19:37] <yoshimitsu> k
[19:37] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: yea that's the command
[19:38] <tgm4883> yoshimitsu: you dont need that other package installed, I asked if you already had it installed, not to install it
[19:38] <yoshimitsu> oh
[19:38] <yoshimitsu> shit
[19:39] <yoshimitsu> tgm4883: it hasn't regenerated mime.cache
[19:40] <yoshimitsu> i did update-mime-database
[19:40] <yoshimitsu> wait i didn't do the proper thing
[19:40] <yoshimitsu> hmm
[19:41] <ducasse> yoshimitsu: try 'update-mime-database /usr/share/mime', according to the manpage
[19:41] <yoshimitsu> ty
[19:42] <Chazb123[m]> Hello
[19:42] <yoshimitsu> ty, very much, later
[19:47] <chaene_> hi. I have a strange problem when displaying images that I took with my canon power shot digital camera. Many programs (gwenview, firefox, chrome, gimp) display the colors wrong slightly too bright not colorful enough, however other programs (digikam, geeqie) display them correctly. I tried to google already but had no luck yet.
[19:47] <bekks> chaene_: Which file format do you use?
[19:47] <Jordan_U> chaene_: It's probably that some apps support color profiles while others do not.
[19:48] <chaene_> one thing which I  noticed when opening them with geeqie is that they are briefly displayed with the wrong colors and then they change.  so I assume that it is some color profile issue.
[19:48] <ElinKattunge> Get out of here!
[19:48] <chaene_> bekks: this are JPEGS generated by a canon powershot compact camera.
[19:48] <Chazb123[m]> Hello
[19:49] <sahi> does everything in /etc/init run on startup or is there a config that sets which ones run?
[19:49] <Chazb123[m]> That's gonna be mine someday
[19:49] <Chazb123[m]> https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/sIobxMZkAPrKrwCoTZMCZMnS - ima_425c665.jpeg (1545KB)
[19:49] <ElinKattunge> sahi: systemctl disable <server>
[19:49] <ElinKattunge> *<service>
[19:49] <chaene_> Jordan_U: I have a similar hunch but I have a hard time to believe that for example gimp would not support this
[19:49] <sahi> ElinKattunge: systemctl: command not found
[19:49] <ElinKattunge> ..
[19:50] <Chazb123[m]> Do push notifications work on this
[19:50] <ElinKattunge> update-init.rc
[19:50] <Jordan_U> Chazb123[m]: This channel is for Ubuntu support only.
[19:50] <Chazb123[m]> Sorry
[19:50] <Chazb123[m]> I'll leave
[19:50] <insidious> Anyone know the reason i can't detect my wifi driver on fresh install "Dell Latitude E6230"
[19:50] <ElinKattunge> sahi: Try update-rc.init
[19:50] <ElinKattunge> I meant... update-rc.d
[19:51] <tgm4883> sahi: what version of Ubuntu
[19:51] <bekks> chaene_: jpegs do not contain any valuable metadata information like raw images. So its basically up to the applications used in how to display the jpeg image data.
[19:51] <[twisti]> i have an existing linux system on a partition, and i would like to install a fresh ubuntu to the pc, but i would prefer keeping the old files intact, that way i wont have to upload all the various backups. is it possible/sensible to just sort of move the entire hdds contents to /oldlinux and install the new one, or will that lead to problems ? im not planning on using the old one, i just want
[19:51] <[twisti]> the files around for easier restoration
[19:51] <ElinKattunge> I thought all modern versions of Ubuntu used systemd...
[19:51] <sahi> how can I tell if I'm using systemd or not?
[19:51] <chaene_> bekks, Jordon_U: I also checked with exiftool there is no embedded color profile but it is specified in the exif that it is sRGB
[19:51] <tgm4883> ElinKattunge: nope
[19:51] <ElinKattunge> sahi: Report to me uname -a
[19:52] <ElinKattunge> Also check LSB info
[19:52] <rory> sahi: if you dont have systemctl you're not using systemd. what version of ubuntu (check "cat /etc/issue.net")
[19:52] <tgm4883> sahi: do 'lsb_release -r'
[19:52] <tgm4883> uh, too many cooks
[19:52] <glitchd> so i think i just deleted the partition that had grub on it, how can i verify if grub is still working without rebooting?
[19:52] <sahi> I think systemctl broke because I have startup errors
[19:52] <insidious> Anyone know the reason i can't detect my wifi driver on fresh install "Dell Latitude E6230"
[19:52] <bekks> chaene_: exif data is irrelevant for jpeg images. exif data is just stored in the jpeg header, but it isnt used for displaying images.
[19:52] <sahi> "systemd-udevd[2259]: failed to execute '/bin/systemctl' '/bin/systemctl stop --no-block nvidia-persistenced': No such file or directory"
[19:53] <rory> oh what
[19:53] <rory> sahi: can you tell us what ubuntu version you have installed?
[19:53] <ElinKattunge> rory: /etc/issue.net is not the way to check which distro one is running
[19:53] <ElinKattunge> I myself take use of issue,net heavily on my servers
[19:53] <tgm4883> sahi: do 'lsb_release -r'
[19:53] <rory> whatever just tell us the version lol
[19:53] <reisio> frealz
[19:54] <insidious> I just need s simple soultion to my problem. lol
[19:54] <ElinKattunge> Getting wifi to work is never a simple solution...
[19:54] <reisio> insidious: what's the device?
[19:54] <bekks> insidious: Which wifi chipset are you using?
[19:54] <reisio> ElinKattunge: sure it is
[19:54] <reisio> bekks: I win I win
[19:54] <insidious> Anyone know the reason i can't detect my wifi driver on fresh install "Dell Latitude E6230"
[19:54] <bekks> reisio: :D
[19:55] <clarkk> lightdm runs the session-cleanup-script with root id, but with USER AND HOME set as the current user. I've tried to set it to   session-cleanup-script=sudo -Hnu "$USER" /path/to/myscript, but it still runs as user. Can anyone explain why, and a possible workaround?  Thanks
[19:55] <ElinKattunge> reisio: For me, and you, maybe!
[19:55] <ElinKattunge> But it is not hard to run into problems with a specific NIC
[19:55] <reisio> ElinKattunge: it's almost always simple, it's just that the rare occasions it isn't suck a lot
[19:55] <insidious> Do i need to update
[19:55] <insidious> after install
[19:55] <insidious> for it get wifi working?
[19:55] <bekks> insidious: You need to answer our questions.
[19:55] <marshall> need a hand recovering an encrypted directory on an old partition using ecryptfs.
[19:56] <ElinKattunge> No, just install the firmware
[19:56] <insidious> bekks?
[19:56] <rory> insidious: Are you able to connect with a cable, and open the Drivers tab of the update program?
[19:56] <ElinKattunge> then check dmesg | grep <module>
[19:56] <bekks> insidious: Two people already asked you which chipset you are using.
[19:56] <ElinKattunge> You can get the loaded module from lspci, or if it's a USB adaptor then from lsusb
[19:56] <reisio> marshall: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/ecryptfs.html
[19:56] <Jordan_U> marshall: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/introducing-ecryptfs-recover-private.html
[19:56] <ElinKattunge> Don't forget to specify verbose flags
[19:56] <insidious> its hard to read with the scroll here sorry
[19:56] <marshall> I've been through many of the steps before, but the computer was rebooted before I could extract the files I needed, and I lost the location of the file we created with ecryptfs
[19:57] <reisio> insidious: sudo lspci | grep -i net
[19:57] <insidious> im not on the os yet
[19:57] <marshall> Thanks, guys. I'll bookmark those links and check them out. Cheers!
[19:57] <insidious> Its broadcom
[19:58] <reisio> insidious: get on the OS, then we can do something
[19:58] <insidious> okay
[19:58] <ElinKattunge> insidious: If it's an modern Intel chipset then lspci/lsusb | grep e1000
[19:58] <insidious> i just didnt didnt want to install it
[19:58] <insidious> if i couldnt get wifi on it
[19:58] <insidious> but ill install and hardwire and then come back it will be easier prob to help me
[19:58] <insidious> brb
[20:00] <ducasse> insidious: you don't need to install, just boot the live image
[20:01] <ElinKattunge> reisio: lspci | grep -i net seems like a better solution :)
[20:01] <reisio> ElinKattunge: better solution than what?
[20:01] <ElinKattunge> The one I provided
[20:01] <ElinKattunge> to insidious
[20:03] <clarkk> lightdm runs the session-cleanup-script with an id of root, but with USER and HOME vars set as the current user. I've tried to set it to  session-cleanup-script=sudo -Hnu "$USER" /path/to/myscript, but it still runs as root. Can anyone explain why, and a possible workaround?  Thanks
[20:04] <reisio> clarkk: explain what you're trying to accomplish first
[20:04] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: Have you tried su -c "<command>" <user>
[20:04] <ElinKattunge> ?
[20:04] <ElinKattunge> That might help you
[20:05] <clarkk> reisio: this is my code so far   https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e1a9a7d0a61409073831c7c728d04b98 (before it was changed to the sudo command)
[20:06] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: You using a multiseat setup of sorts?
[20:06] <reisio> ElinKattunge: oh :)
[20:06] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: yes, I've tried it with su -c
[20:06] <reisio> clarkk: that doesn't tell me what you're trying to accomplish
[20:06] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: no, I'm not using multiseat
[20:07] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: Usually if a script requires another user other than root, su is used
[20:07] <ElinKattunge> not sudo
[20:07] <clarkk> reisio: I nee the file it creates to be owned by the current user
[20:07] <ElinKattunge> Plus, the root user can use su without being prompted for password.
[20:07] <reisio> clarkk: that doesn't tell me what you're trying to accomplish overall
[20:08] <glitchd> ducasse, how can i verify grub is still working without rebooting?
[20:08] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: chown <user>:<group> <file>
[20:08] <clarkk> reisio: this simple script does not work as I need it to. If I could get it to work, I'd be much farther forward
[20:08] <ElinKattunge> Also, please specify manpage
[20:08] <reisio> clarkk: that doesn't tell me what you're trying to accomplish overall
[20:09] <glitchd> reisio, , how can i verify grub is still working without rebooting?
[20:09] <clarkk> reisio: I just want to get this to work. This is what I want overall
[20:09] <ioria> clarkk, what does the script do  ?
[20:09] <ElinKattunge> glitchd: You are writing grub files yourself, that's bad!
[20:09] <reisio> clarkk: nice talking with you
[20:09] <glitchd> ElinKattunge, lol no im not
[20:09] <clarkk> ioria: it just echos a string to a log file
[20:10] <reisio> glitchd: what is it you're afraid has changed?
[20:10] <ioria> clarkk, ok, and what's the problem ?
[20:10] <zykotick9> glitchd: fyi, to see what grub setting you are currently booted with "cat /proc/cmdline"
[20:10] <clarkk> ioria: I need it to be created and owned by the current user, not a privilaged user
[20:10] <EriC^^> clarkk: basically you want every time you log in to log that you logged in?
[20:11] <glitchd> reisio, i had another linux distro installed on a seperate hard drive and i just formatted that hard drive, and i think that grub was installed on there, so im trying to verify that its still installed and working before i reboot.
[20:11] <ikonia> if you have deleted a partition that contained grub why are you checking it's "still working" surely it will be broken as you've just deleted it
[20:11] <reisio> glitchd: oh okay
[20:11] <zykotick9> glitchd: ahhh
[20:11] <clarkk> EriC^^: no, I want every time I log out to log a string
[20:11] <ioria> clarkk,  the log file it's owned by who ?
[20:11] <reisio> glitchd: you can just go through this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[20:11] <clarkk> ioria: it gets created and owned by root, rather than the current user
[20:11] <ElinKattunge> glitchd: dpkg -l | grep grub
[20:11] <zykotick9> glitchd: reinstall grub from the one you WANT to be working!
[20:12] <zykotick9> glitchd: whatever grub you installed most recently will be in the MBR
[20:12] <glitchd> i tried boot-repair, but it never gets past searching partitions
[20:12] <ikonia> don't use that
[20:12] <reisio> grub is unfortunately a fairly complex system with lots of separate configs and installations that all have to be correctly configured against one another
[20:12] <ikonia> manually apply grub from the distro you want to the mbr
[20:12] <reisio> so just go through the steps
[20:12] <EriC^^> clarkk: what's the overall functionality behind it? the meaning?
[20:12] <glitchd> ikonia, alrighty then
[20:12] <ioria> clarkk,  in the script you call to write to the log , add chown  $USER:$USER
[20:12] <reisio> glitchd: yes, use the link I gave you
[20:12] <EriC^^> maybe there's another way somebody knows how to get it done
[20:13] <glitchd> reisio, mmk thank you
[20:13] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: ioria, so what you are saying is that this is expected behaviour?  Can you explain why su -c doesn't work in this case?
[20:14] <EriC^^> clarkk: must be the way it parses the string
[20:14] <ElinKattunge> You are wanting to re-own the file after another user has created the log, I suggest you use chown
[20:14] <EriC^^> clarkk: try dropping the privileges in the script itself
[20:14] <ElinKattunge> Allow the user to do it's business, and finish it off with chown
[20:14] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: yes, and thank you for that solution. I will try it, but why is it working this way?
[20:15] <ioria> clarkk,  lightdm is managed by root
[20:15] <ElinKattunge> or you could use chmod if you would really still like the current user to own the script, chmod allows you to change the perms ever soo slightly
[20:15] <ioria> clarkk,  not by the user
[20:15] <clarkk> ioria: yes, but why can't root successfully use su?
[20:15] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: lightdm is run as root
[20:15] <ioria> clarkk,  no need to use su
[20:15] <ElinKattunge> So that is what you wanted to do...
[20:15] <EriC^^> clarkk: must be the way it parses the string
[20:16] <ElinKattunge> To be honest, whatever it is your are doing, it sounds hackish
[20:17] <clarkk> ok, thanks for your help. I'll use chown
[20:17] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: Why are you relying on lightdm to record a log?
[20:17] <ElinKattunge> in such manner?
[20:17] <ikonia> seems the worst possible "logging" tool
[20:17] <ElinKattunge> Why not rely on a more sane choice such as a login cli tool?
[20:17] <ElinKattunge> lastlog already does the job
[20:18] <ElinKattunge> and you can use who and lastlog commands to get an output of whose logged into your system, whether they are active and when they last logged in.
[20:18] <clarkk> I need to umount some encfs filesystems, and log the output to confirm they were unmounted (to the same log file as was used when they were mounted by the user)
[20:19] <ikonia> log what output ?
[20:19] <EriC^^> clarkk: i dont think you can unmount them with root if the user mounted them
[20:19] <ikonia> sort of defaults the object of userspace,
[20:19] <ikonia> you can technically do it, but you'd have to go inside that users session
[20:19] <clarkk> "unmounted /path/to/encfs/fs1"
[20:19] <clarkk> EriC^^: correct, kind of
[20:20] <reisio> you're not the guy who was asking about ecryptfs?
[20:20] <clarkk> no
[20:21] <reisio> fusermount -u should work
[20:21] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: NEVER chown any files which are shipped with the lightdm package!!!
[20:21] <ElinKattunge> Only the files, you've created!
[20:21] <ikonia> reisio: don't you have to be "that" user for that to work ?
[20:21] <EriC^^> yeah i stand corrected
[20:21] <reisio> fusermount -u mnt/path && pass || fail
[20:21] <ElinKattunge> You are at risk of breaking lightdm
[20:21] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: I wasn't thinking of doing that
[20:21] <ikonia> clarkk: this sounds like a bad solution to a problem to be honest
[20:21] <reisio> ikonia: by default, for sure
[20:22] <ikonia> clarkk: what is the actual key thing you're trying to achieve  (remove all the fluff from the solution)
[20:22] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: In all honestly, you should just grep the lastlog on regular intervals
[20:22] <ElinKattunge> You could have crontab generate custom logs for you
[20:22] <EriC^^> clarkk: is it a security measure?
[20:22] <ElinKattunge> But I wouldn't recommend using lightdm to log a users activity
[20:23] <EriC^^> what if the screen just locks, does the encfs stay mounted?
[20:23] <clarkk> EriC^^: logging out of the filesystems when the user logs off?  Yes
[20:23] <clarkk> EriC^^: it stays mounted when the screen locks
[20:23] <ioria> clarkk, so you umount the encrypt fs manually ?
[20:24] <EriC^^> maybe some inactivity timer
[20:24] <clarkk> ioria: I'm trying to automate umounting the filesystem when the user logs off or shuts down
[20:24] <ikonia> clarkk: wouldn't that automatically happen with autofs
[20:24] <ElinKattunge> That sounds redudant...
[20:24] <ioria> clarkk, i think already happens
[20:24] <clarkk> no, they stay mounted
[20:24] <ikonia> when the session closes it will close the usermounts
[20:25] <ikonia> clarkk: how are they being mounted exactly
[20:25] <ElinKattunge> When a system is powered down properly, the filesystems are safely umounted
[20:25] <ikonia> maybe thats the problem
[20:25] <ioria> clarkk,  are you sure
[20:26] <ElinKattunge> ioria, ikonia, Hi hi again! :)
[20:26] <EriC^^> when the pc shuts down they're gone i'd think
[20:27] <ElinKattunge> ioria, ikonia, I quit my day job to work for Ubuntu support (just kiddin)
[20:27] <EriC^^> or else they'd get corrupted
[20:27] <ikonia> if it's a userspace mount and the session ends (user logs out) that mount will be removed
[20:27] <ioria> ElinKattunge, that's good
[20:27] <ikonia> hence why I'm interested in how they are being mounted
[20:27] <reisio> there aren't really rules, only defaults
[20:28] <ElinKattunge> ioria: Thing is... it gotta be bullshit cause I don't even work!
[20:28] <clarkk> they are mounted using   encfs -S "$src-mnt-point" "$dst-mnt-point" <<< "$password"
[20:28] <ikonia> ElinKattunge: please don't swear
[20:28] <ioria> ElinKattunge,  from removable devices ?
[20:28] <ioria> sorry
[20:28] <ikonia> clarkk: so that user is manually mounting them in their own userspace session
[20:28] <EriC^^> the password is in cleartext?
[20:28] <EriC^^> *facepalm*
[20:28] <ikonia> clarkk: so when the session shutsdown that should be removed
[20:29] <ioria> clarkk,   from removable devices ?
[20:29] <clarkk> ikonia: correct, well, they are mounted automatically using ubuntu's startup apps
[20:29] <ioria> ahhahaahah
[20:29] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: Use proper password handling next time
[20:29] <clarkk> ikonia: yes
[20:29] <ikonia> clarkk: ok - but they are still userspace
[20:29] <ElinKattunge> that's hilarious
[20:29] <reisio> it's not hilarious, it's just non-ideal
[20:29] <EriC^^> it's pretty hilarious
[20:29] <ElinKattunge> To me, I am laughing right now
[20:29] <ioria> clarkk,   from Startup apps ?
[20:29] <reisio> nah, you still get encrypted files
[20:30] <clarkk> yes, ioria
[20:30] <EriC^^> i'm imagining a huge vault that's secured with a girl diary's lock or something
[20:30] <EriC^^> same idea
[20:30] <ioria> clarkk,   not sure it's a good idea
[20:30] <reisio> well, most encryption is that way, even if your passwords aren't in plain text
[20:30] <clarkk> EriC^^: yeah, just like your ssh private keys
[20:30] <ElinKattunge> reisio: You get your encrypted files already, but what about the eavesdropper who cracked your WPA2 security
[20:30] <RNeville> I have a non booting HD in my computer , AMD Quad Core, Ubuntu 14.04, and it shows up using a long numerical designation , and not as hd1 or hd2
[20:30] <EriC^^> clarkk: i password protect them
[20:31] <reisio> ElinKattunge: if you're susceptible to eavesdroppers (and everyone is), then you're always susceptible to being cracked
[20:31] <RNeville> I also get error messages saying, drive is not mounted
[20:31] <ioria> clarkk,   you may mount from cli, or in fstab
[20:31] <reisio> ElinKattunge: do you make it easier for them, yes
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: it looks like you can deal with this just via pam
[20:31] <ElinKattunge> reisio: Yes, everyone is, but I atleast take precaution and put a security practice first
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: looks like you're approaching it from the wrong view point
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: just found an example of it
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EncFS
[20:31] <EriC^^> clarkk: how does it actually help, in case of theft they can still get the files
[20:31] <ikonia> clarkk: note the warning "Warning: Note that automatic unmount will process even when there is another session. eg.: logout on VC can unmount encfs mounted by GDM session that is still active"
[20:32] <RNeville> I think this non booting drive is causing problems using Lightworks (NLE), any help appreciated
[20:32] <ikonia> clarkk: that sounds like exactly what you want
[20:32] <reisio> security is always about compromising valuable time vs minimal returns :p
[20:32] <Gallomimia> i myself can't seem to get my grub to unlock the FDE i have without going into recovery mode.
[20:32] <ElinKattunge> reisio: Not when you work with business infrastructure like I do and it is crucial that no data what so ever gets leaked!
[20:32] <reisio> the jump from a session password login to actually having an encrypted FS is an enormous gain, but almost every additional level of security after that is minimal
[20:32] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: the files stored on the encfs are themselves encrypted, by proprietry encryption
[20:32] <reisio> still, if you have time :D
[20:33] <EriC^^> Gallomimia: did you add the proper line to /etc/default/grub?
[20:33] <Gallomimia> ehm. probably not.
[20:33] <EriC^^> the one with =y
[20:33] <ElinKattunge> clarkk: But you scripted your password in clear text
[20:33] <reisio> clarkk: sounds redundant
[20:33] <Gallomimia> it worked before i updated something something
[20:33] <ElinKattunge> It doesn't matter if your data is encrypted, your password is not.
[20:34] <EriC^^> weakest link kind of stuff
[20:34] <EriC^^> if the pc gets stolen, somebody could bypass your login easily and all your files would be there unencrypted
[20:34] <Gallomimia> i think they made some kind of movie about why proprietary encryption doens't work that well
[20:35] <Gallomimia> something to do with a crypto called "enigma"
[20:35] <ElinKattunge> EriC^^: Agreed, which is what I was tryna explain to him but he doesn't listen
[20:35] <EriC^^> clarkk: i think ioria was hinting at something nice
[20:35] <clarkk> it doesn't matter. You don't know what I'm protecting it from!
[20:35] <EriC^^> removable drive that has a script and password maybe
[20:36] <EriC^^> you plug it in, files get decrypted
[20:36] <ikonia> clarkk: I'd try to approach this via pam
[20:36] <ikonia> clarkk: I think you'll get better results from that, and an easier logging approach too for confirmation
[20:36] <clarkk> I'm not trying to protect it from someone who steals my pc
[20:36] <reisio> there are only two things encryption protects from, and only one of those things is it affective against :p
[20:36] <reisio> but it's worth doing for that one
[20:37] <EriC^^> clarkk: it's hard to imagine how it would be useful
[20:37] <ElinKattunge> Eat drops
[20:37] <ElinKattunge> *Ear
[20:38] <ElinKattunge> Agreed
[20:38] <ElinKattunge> you got encrypted files
[20:38] <TomyWork> a while ago a nice person named nacc wanted to help me get my dell integrated bluetooth (usb id 413c:8143) working with ubuntu 14.04 (linux-lts-xenial kernel). it boiled down to the kernel module "btusb" not recognizing the device due to it not being listed in some array in the source code
[20:38] <ElinKattunge> but you neglect to use common sense when handling your passwds
[20:38] <reisio> TomyWork: neat
[20:39] <clarkk> I'm feeling that you're pretty judgemental, ElinKattunge.   Sigh, I suppose I'll explain...
[20:39] <ElinKattunge> which automatically breaks the encryption
[20:39] <ikonia> clarkk: please don't
[20:39] <ikonia> clarkk: you have your answers
[20:39] <ElinKattunge> I am tryna tell you that what you are doing is completely unsafe
[20:39] <ElinKattunge> It is up to you what you do
[20:40] <reisio> clarkk: a single layer of encryption, virtually regardless of how you provide your password, will protect against the stolen PC scenario
[20:40] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: I am well aware of the risks here
[20:40] <ElinKattunge> I don't even care what you do, but I was just tryna tell you of the risk
[20:40] <ElinKattunge> okay
[20:40] <TomyWork> nacc made a patch, but it failed to build on launchpad multiple times, and i kinda lost contact. i have since managed to build it myself, booted into the kernel, modprobe'd btusb, but "bt-adapter -l" is still not listing it
[20:40] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: but you don't know what I'm trying to do, but you've already ridiculed me for it
[20:40] <ElinKattunge> But, you see? I don't just simply know who understands what around here
[20:40] <reisio> people who are actually interested in your data won't be defeated, so really the basest level of encryption will make almost everyone else not bother trying to defeat it
[20:40] <TomyWork> what else can i try to trigger device discovery or get some logs or something like that?
[20:40] <reisio> moreover, people who actually want your data would be smarter to take it without letting you know they have :p
[20:41] <clarkk> reisio: well said, and I completely
[20:41] <TomyWork> dmesg isnt very verbose. it just says "[  491.496718] usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb" when i load the module
[20:41] <EriC^^> reisio: unless he's very unlucky and the guy knows linux, does a init=/bin/bash and changes his login pass and then he has all the files
[20:41] <reisio> anybody with the access to steal your computer also doesn't need to defeat your encryption, only your authentication
[20:41] <EriC^^> that's what though? how many people actually use linux
[20:41] <reisio> EriC^^: that is always something that can happen, with any type of encryption
[20:42] <reisio> physical access is everything
[20:42] <EriC^^> reisio: not if he's decrypting it on login
[20:42] <clarkk> I'm using 1Password and storing it on a encfs filesystem on dropbox. Encfs already is very vulnerable on dropbox, due to the fact that dropbox has version history. 1Password already has its own encryption. I am just using encfs just to make it more of a pain in the ass if someone wants my passwords
[20:42] <reisio> if you have access to where someone authenticates, you have everything
[20:42] <reisio> EriC^^: yes, always
[20:42] <EriC^^> reisio: if he manually enters the pass then they wouldnt get the data in cleartext if they login
[20:43] <EriC^^> if they login, then the data is there
[20:43] <TomyWork> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1382490 that's the bug report and this is the fix nacc created: https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/lp1382490
[20:43] <EriC^^> if they use a live usb then it's a matter of noticing that he automounts it
[20:43] <reisio> encryption protecting data on an FS that has been taken works almost all the time; encryption protecting data on an FS an attacker has physical access to, that the user will ever return to, _can_ always be defeated
[20:43] <EriC^^> and then using the cleartext password to decrypt it
[20:44] <HPW> hello
[20:44] <EriC^^> reisio: yeah that's true
[20:44] <reisio> EriC^^: anyway, you're describing someone who simultaneously knows encryption is defeatable and cares about clarkk's data, which will never be the case :p
[20:44] <reisio> HPW: heyo
[20:44] <clarkk> EriC^^: again, I'm not trying to protect my files against someone with physical access to my machine
[20:45] <EriC^^> reisio: sure it will, i find a laptop, i'm an a*** i take it to my friend who uses kali linux like a kool hax0r, he recently learned how to get into init=/bin/bash , and he has all the data now
[20:46] <reisio> EriC^^: no :) I'll tell you why
[20:46] <reisio> it's not that storing a password in plaintext isn't stupid, it is of course
[20:47] <billy__> hello
[20:47] <reisio> it's because people with half a brain who know how to defeat authentication systems don't waste time stealing laptops :p
[20:47] <EriC^^> reisio: well yeah that is usually the case
[20:47] <reisio> even if they wanted the data, it would be silly to steal the laptop & let everyone know you might have it
[20:47] <billy__> geaks conversation !
[20:47] <EriC^^> reisio: though if you think about it, there are the teenagers
[20:48] <reisio> 99% of the time what encryption protects you against is: 1) the rare drug addict who tries looking at your files for 30 seconds before he sells your computer for $5's worht of drugs, and 2) government officials, who frequently are disallowed to legally defeat your authentication, instead having to rely on judicial coercion to get you to give up your password
[20:48] <reisio> s/worht/worth/
[20:49] <reisio> and those are both worth using encryption over, for sure :)
[20:49] <reisio> but the returns of security layers added on top of that are going to be quite rare
[20:50] <ElinKattunge> Encryption is redundant in this case
[20:50] <EriC^^> yeah, i still think it's pretty stupid
[20:50] <ElinKattunge> The only good reason for encryption is to prevent others from decyphering it
[20:51] <EriC^^> cause it's basically just the login, exactly^
[20:51] <ioria> clarkk, headache , right ? :þ
[20:51] <ElinKattunge> With a plain text password, it violates the purpose of encryption
[20:51] <reisio> thinking doesn't really factor into it, plain text passes are stupid :)
[20:51] <reisio> but lots of timesavers are stupid
[20:51] <reisio> you get out what you put in
[20:51] <EriC^^> it really isn't doing much, if they can login, then they have his data, if they can't then they don't, in which case it didnt matter to use encryption anyways
[20:52] <TomyWork> "instead having to rely on judicial coercion to get you to give up your password" - which, afaik, is illegal under us case law
[20:52] <ElinKattunge> If you are gonna encrypt your data, then you also need to encrypt your credentials otherwise you've just transmitted them in pure crystal visibility
[20:52] <TomyWork> or at least it was a few years ago
[20:52] <EriC^^> it helps a little, still if the data matters, then do it right
[20:52] <EriC^^> otherwise then dont encrypt at all
[20:53] <clarkk> it is just some protection from someone who gets into my dropbox account, so they can't just brute force my main 1password password. It's a deterrent, nothing more
[20:55] <clarkk> ElinKattunge: you apparently don't understand how encfs works, if you think the credentials are transmitted anywhere
[20:56] <TomyWork> clarkk so you're using an encrypting file system on top of dropbox?
[20:57] <clarkk> TomyWork: yes
[20:57] <EriC^^> why dont you use keepass ?
[20:57] <EriC^^> if that's what you meant
[20:57] <TomyWork> clarkk and does it retransmit files in their entirety if you change the first bit?
[20:57] <EriC^^> i feel like i'm pretty off on this one, haha
[20:57] <TomyWork> or worse, even?
[20:59] <clarkk> TomyWork: I don't think keepass supported all my platforms when I was looking for a pw solution
[20:59] <TomyWork> clarkk, EriC^^ mentioned keepass
[21:00] <clarkk> TomyWork: I'd have to look in to it, but at this point I don't have the time, and I'm happy with 1password
[21:00] <EriC^^> /unalias EriC^^
[21:01] <EriC^^> TomyWork: should be fine now :D
[21:01] <clarkk> TomyWork: ok, but how is that relevant?
[21:01] <TomyWork> clarkk i was saying EriC^^ mentioned keepass, not me
[21:02] <TomyWork> you were highlighting the wrong person
[21:02] <clarkk> haha
[21:02] <clarkk> ok, apologies, EriC^^. Thanks for pointing that out :)
[21:02] <wyseguy> installed intel-microcode and rebooted, it started to crash the DE and says its currently runningin fallback mode. Anyone have any ideas?
[21:02] <EriC^^> clarkk: no worries :)
[21:02] <Vysty> On Ubuntu 16.04 with the newest Gnome Shell, how do I adjust my number of Workspaces?
[21:03] <TomyWork> clarkk, but since we are on the topic, keepass supports multi-factor authentication, for example with a key file and a password.
[21:03] <TomyWork> so basically you can dump the kdbx into your dropbox and backup the key file locally
[21:04] <clarkk> sounds good
[21:04] <TomyWork> your family cant get into it cause you still have the password
[21:04] <TomyWork> dropbox cant bruteforce it cause they dont have your key file
[21:05] <TomyWork> and bruteforcing a strong key, good luck :)
[21:05] <reisio> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EncFS#Mount_at_login_using_pam_encfs anyway
[21:05] <RNeville> what is command to open a graphics program having root privlege: gksudo ?
[21:06] <EriC^^> RNeville: yeah
[21:06] <TomyWork> Vysty having never seen that shell, have you tried right-clicking the workspace switcher? that's how it used to work on kde
[21:06] <TomyWork> cant give you any advice beyond that
[21:06] <clarkk> TomyWork: sounds very good. Does keypass store any other information, like notes and the like?
[21:06] <TomyWork> clarkk comments, urls, even files
[21:07] <clarkk> I'll have to give it a go, when I have more time
[21:07] <TomyWork> but please dont backup your key file inside the database
[21:08] <reisio> if you're going to be authenticating normally anyway (DM login), then just use the arch wiki approach I linked
[21:08] <andy_____> who here whatch mr robot?
[21:08] <RNeville> thx EriC^^
[21:08] <clarkk> or send my password for it to ElinKattunge by email? (just preempting what ElinKattunge may warn me against) ;)
[21:08] <EriC^^> RNeville: np
[21:08] <TomyWork> clarkk as long as you dont also send him the key file :D
[21:09] <clarkk> hehe, ok, I'll try not to do that :D
[21:09] <reisio> andy_____: everyone
[21:09] <TomyWork> andy_____ try #ubuntu-social
[21:09] <reisio> it has the best unrealistic "hacking" available
[21:09] <TomyWork> (i think that was the name)
[21:10] <TomyWork> it was #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:10] <TomyWork> andy_____ try #ubuntu-offtopic. That's the channel for stuff not related to ubuntu
[21:11] <TomyWork> anyway
[21:11] <TomyWork> see ya
[21:11] <ElinKattunge> bazhang: :)
[21:12] <ElinKattunge> TomyWork: I will be sure to have many offtopic chats before the day I die!!!
[21:12] <TomyWork> Q'Plah!
[21:15] <ElinKattunge> Nou
[21:19] <superguest> Hi
[21:19] <EriC^^> hi
[21:19] <tmuwa> hi
[21:21] <superguest> I want to verify some information I got here about the Ubuntu software package versioning scheme.
[21:21] <superguest> Take GCC 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.2, for example.
 superguest: 0ubuntu indicates the corresponding upstream has not been release by Debian
[21:23] <superguest> yet, "<nacc> (The last) 1 indicates it's the first such ubuntu patch to the debian release"
[21:23] <superguest> oops.  I take a different example I came across
[21:23] <superguest> *Let's*
[21:26] <superguest> lol right when I need to find the right example to illustrate my question, I can't find it.
[21:26] <superguest> alright, I'll just ask it
[21:26] <superguest> is it safe to say when we have  "0ubuntuX"
[21:27] <superguest> that 'X' will not be 1?
[21:29] <Jordan_U> superguest: No.
[21:29] <superguest> again, I am basing that from "<nacc> superguest: 0ubuntu indicates the corresponding upstream has not been release by Debian"
[21:29] <superguest> and "<nacc> (The last) 1 indicates it's the first such ubuntu patch to the debian release"
[21:29] <clarkk> thank you for finding that page, ikonia. I tried the cryptkeeper system tray applet. It seems to work well, although I'm not sure where it stores the passwords. Thanks also to reisio, EriC^^, and ElinKattunge. Much appreciated
[21:32] <superguest> Hi Jordan_U! (I think we've met in #grub).  Yea.. just want to familiarize myself with the package versioning scheme.
[21:38] <lapion> As soon as I enable ipv4 in a networkmanager profile at next reboot a new default profile is created with ipv4 disabled..
[21:38] <lapion>  only way to enable ipv4 is to select a manually configured profile and activate t.
[21:50] <lurklord> Test
[21:51] <lurklord> Is there a guide on how to blacklist radeon so I can use the amdgpu driver? Help please.
[21:52] <ObrienDave> ther should be some kind of control panel to select which program you want to run on either GPU
[21:52] <reisio> lurklord: yes there is
[21:52] <lurklord> reisio: I would like to see it.
[21:54] <reisio> lurklord: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/4rs95z/disabling_the_radeon_driver_and_using_amdgpu/
[21:54] <vaindil> I'm running a process as www-data with supervisor and am trying to lock down a file to only www-data. The process is in fact running as www-data, I verified that. The process keeps getting access denied, however. Permissions on the file and directory are www-data:root 400.  -_- Sorry.
[21:59] <DexterF> setting up an intel baytrail box for a medi center. video acceleration does work (libva based) but has some tearing and scaling artifacts. intel devs suggest config thing since an older sandy brdige in comparison is fine. question: there's quite a list of libva packages and I wonder which of those might be better.
[22:00] <DexterF> I ran a standard install, but there's 8 diffeent libva-driver-abi-0.xy , then libva-drm1, -egl1, glx-1, tpi1 and whatnot
[22:03] <DexterF> egl seems to be for ES GL rather, so android and other embedded, but should I prefer glx or drm over libva-x11?
[22:05] <kidkid> hi
[22:05] <kidkid> There is couple of problems after installing ubuntu
[22:05] <kidkid> Is it right place? Who can I talk with?
[22:06] <kidkid> There is couple of problems after installing ubuntu. With who can I talk with?
[22:06] <ObrienDave> kidkid, just ask
[22:06] <kidkid> ObrienDave: are you  supporter?
[22:07] <ObrienDave> most everyone here is in one way or another
[22:07] <reisio> speak
[22:07] <ObrienDave> !ask
[22:07] <kidkid> 1. How to add windows to grub? 2. my fn+f5 is not working. (flight mode)
[22:08] <ObrienDave> kidkid, in terminal, sudo update-grub
[22:09] <ObrienDave> that should detect windows and add it to the GRUB menu
[22:10] <Fare> Does anyone understand cryptsetup + lvm?
[22:11] <Fare> I can't manage to tell ubuntu how to boot into my existing setup
[22:11] <reisio> I doubt anyone does
[22:12] <kidkid> ty
[22:13] <kidkid> how do i display window when pressing num lock, all fn keys
[22:13] <kidkid> how do i fix function/fn keys?
[22:16] <kidkid> what i am asking is not usual?
[22:20] <ObrienDave> kidkid, you're fine. probably no body has an answer for you
[22:20] <ObrienDave> !patience
[22:20] <kidkid> ty
[22:20] <kidkid> i think i have problem with my left touchpad
[22:21] <kidkid> but this is not problem
[22:22] <kidkid> I like when I reducing the volume sound but when you switch to flight mode you don't know if it really works on windows when i do fn+f5 key i see window and it changed to flight mode. also fn+f9 should open settings I believe.
[22:22] <kidkid> fn+f11 is on screen keyboard.
[22:23] <kidkid> I would like to know if I can help to fix this problem...
[22:28] <ninjapold> Hey, could someone point me in the right direction on Block Device management in Ubuntu 16.04 (presumably there's a SystemD way of handling connecting new block devices)
[22:30] <ninjapold> I'm having issues attaching Amazon EBS block devices to my Ubuntu 16.04 instance and I want to understand how disk attaching works in Ubuntu. It looks like AWS is saying it's a kernel/operating system issue rather than a VM/Xen issue.
[22:31] <ObrienDave> if you using a VM, ask in the channel for that VM system
[22:32] <ninjapold> It's Amazon Web Services
[22:33] <Ben64> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ebs-using-volumes.html
[22:33] <ninjapold> Whatever VM system they use. Some kind of Xen systen I think.
[22:33] <puffinz> Can't wait to get back on the road again
[22:34] <ninjapold> Ben64, I've read that already, nothing helpful unfortunately :(
[22:34] <Ben64> ninjapold: what do you mean, it's a step by step on how to use it
[22:34] <reisio> puffinz: why's that
[22:34] <puffinz> a tom jones song
[22:35] <ninjapold> Ben64, yeah but it gets stuck before it attaches to the instance.
[22:35] <tekeli-li> How to force reload of the file ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf for the current desktop session?
[22:36] <Ben64> ninjapold: then you're doing it wrong, or it's amazon's fault
[22:36] <Bray90820> Am I right that by default auto remove keeps 3 kernels?
[22:36] <reisio> tekeli-li: you can always do the mean way: stop the lxdesktop (or whatever) process/es & restart them
[22:37] <ninjapold> Ben64, not necessarily, if you read this, http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/device_naming.html, it explains how the kernel will try to rename the devices depending on how you ask Amazon/Xen to attach it.
[22:38] <ninjapold> So I'm just wondering if it is trying to do some renaming, fails (clashing with already mounted device or something else) and then refuses to mount the device.
[22:38] <tekeli-li> reisio, How would that be better than relogging?
[22:38] <ninjapold> Problem is, I can't find any event in syslog, dmesg or otherwise.
[22:38] <Ben64> yep, so either you're doing it wrong, or it's amazon's fault
[22:39] <reisio> tekeli-li: well it wouldn't require relogging
[22:39] <reisio> that can be better in many situations, and irrelevant in some
[22:39] <tekeli-li> reisio, I'll wait for my next restart. Thanks
[22:40] <ninjapold> Ben64, no reading material on how block devices are handled in 16.04?
[22:40] <Ben64> it's connected, and it works, the end
[22:40] <ObrienDave> Bray90820, current plus the last one
[22:41] <ninjapold> Ben64, well, according to the page you linked, the kernel can/will rename the block device when you attach it. Is there at least some documentation around what it will rename and what it renames it to?
[22:41] <Bray90820> ObrienDave: Well when I ran it it didn't remove la bunch of old kernels so I had to purge them manually
[22:41] <Ben64> it chooses the next available name
[22:41] <Ben64> but it isn't being connected so again, either you're doing it wrong, or amazon is messing up
[22:42] <ObrienDave> Bray90820, depends on how old they are. if you keep them current, it will be more automatic
[22:43] <ninjapold> Ben64, you can specify the device name in AWS and it seemingly renames it to an equivalent name when it gets attached and the kernel takes over, so it's not just the next available name.
[22:43] <CSGSJay> Are any of you guys aware of this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5ggl7c/the_intel_management_engine_me_theres_a_separate/
[22:44] <reisio> it has '/bitcoin/' in its path, so probably not, as I don't waste my time with such nonsense
[22:45] <Bray90820> ObrienDave: Well I was booted to 4.4.0-51 and it had kernels as far back as 4.4.0-31
[22:45] <ninjapold> Ben64, also I am not issuing the attach command manually, it's handled by Kubernetes which specifies a specific device name in the AWS API which is why it doesn't just pick the next name, it is expecting the kernel to accept the device name AWS passes to it.
[22:47] <Ben64> ninjapold: so give it a different name to test your hypothesis
[22:48] <CSGSJay> reisio: it was just posted there, but it;s pretty important
[22:48] <CSGSJay> :p
[22:48] <reisio> it's hard to imagine something being important and related to bitcoin, you're saying it's unrelated to it?
[22:49] <CSGSJay> Yea it's unrelated
[22:49] <CSGSJay> It affects all of us
[22:50] <ObrienDave> CSGSJay, it's NOT an Ubuntu issue. move along
[22:50] <CSGSJay> It affects any OS
[22:50] <Bray90820> ObrienDave: Is what I am experiencing normal there were like 5 or 6 different kernels from 4.4.0-31 to 4.4.0-51
[22:50] <ObrienDave> Bray90820, yes, pretty normal
[22:51] <Bray90820> Why didn't auto emove remove them?
[22:52] <Bray90820> *Autoremove
[22:52] <ObrienDave> too far back in the release. iirc
[22:52] <reisio> CSGSJay: how does it affect us?
[22:52] <ObrienDave> no feeding trolls ;P
[22:52] <CSGSJay> YOur processor is equipped with a backdoor
[22:52] <CSGSJay> that's how it affects you :p
[22:53] <reisio> CSGSJay: backdoor to what
[22:53] <CSGSJay> The Intel Management Engine (ME): There's a "separate chip that no one is allowed to audit or examine" in your Intel computer, "exposing every recent Intel system to the worst rootkits imaginable", with "a TCP/IP server on your network interface" that can "bypass any firewall running on your system"
[22:53] <Bray90820> ObrienDave: So it was to old for autoremove to detect them?
[22:53] <reisio> pretty sure anybody with physical access can examine whatever they please
[22:53] <CSGSJay> Same for AMD, ARM
[22:54] <reisio> CSGSJay: what do I care if a chip bypasses a firewall on my system?
[22:54] <ObrienDave> Bray90820, basically. not really sure how that works
[22:54] <Bray90820> Alright
[22:54] <CSGSJay> reisio: If you don't care about privacy it's totally fine
[22:54] <CSGSJay> Move along :p
[22:54] <reisio> CSGSJay: I care about actual threats, not merely posited ones
[22:55] <reisio> a day doesn't go by when someone doesn't yell about how they imagine something that isn't an issue is
[22:55] <CSGSJay> k
[22:55] <reisio> I'd be genuinely interested in an explanation as to how it actually directly would affect an end user
[22:55] <CSGSJay> If the chinese reverse engineer it, we're doomed
[22:56] <CSGSJay> it will give them remote access to our computers
[22:56] <reisio> how would it do that?
[22:56] <CSGSJay> If I knew i'd tell you
[22:57] <bekks> CSGSJay: So you're not concerned about HPE ILO, Dell iDRAC, IBM IMM, et al? :P
[22:57] <bekks> And besides that: how is it related to Ubuntu? :)
[22:57] <CSGSJay> I don't know
[22:58] <reisio> bookmarked, anyway
[22:59] <CSGSJay> you can apparently neutralize it  http://hardenedlinux.org/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html
[23:00] <ninjapold> Ben64, yeah I tried adding a disk with a different name before and it works. This time I'm leaving it untouched until I get a reply from AWS. Thanks for your help.
[23:01] <reisio> not sure it's really much worse than proprietary firmware ever has been
[23:02] <reisio> which is not to say that proprietary firmware hasn't always been very bad :p
[23:02] <nomic> why won't keyboard map from x2x client -> server  with virtualbox running windows 7 .. keyboard won't work
[23:03] <nomic> diff keys
[23:03] <nomic> mapped
[23:03] <nomic> f is e
[23:03] <nomic> a few keys
[23:03] <nomic> rite i've got to find keyboard
[23:06] <tom_ubun2> Hello alle
[23:06] <tom_ubun2> Can I install lxde next to xorg?
[23:07] <tom_ubun2> In the style of switching at the login screen that is...
[23:07] <jiffe> so I'm trying to install ubuntu 14.04 desktop and this machine has a few lvm partitions it looks like and the installer doesn't seem to want to let me delete those
[23:09] <jiffe> suppose I can go to the live session and remove from there
[23:09] <tom_ubun2> jiffe, Gparted may give you the partition editing you want
[23:10] <ALFA> salve
[23:10] <ALFA>  federica 14 anni
[23:10] <tom_ubun2> jiffe, I'm pretty sure it's on the live cd
[23:11] <arrenlex> I am trying to post on ubuntu forums. I went to the thread creation screen and typed up all my text, but when clicking 'preview post', it just says: You don't have permission to access /newthread.php on this server. Anyone seen this?
[23:15] <jiffe> gparted won't let me delete it either :\
[23:15] <bekks> jiffe: gparted shows one of them as swap, does it?
[23:17] <jiffe> it showed 3 partitions, 2 it let me delete, the 3rd it does not
[23:17] <bekks> jiffe: gparted shows one of them as swap, does it?
[23:17] <jiffe> it did, I was able to delete that
[23:18] <bekks> So can you create a screenshot of what you actually see now?
[23:18] <tepuy> hi
[23:19] <tepuy> solo inglies?
[23:19] <hggdh> tepuy: solo
[23:20] <tepuy> asi parece
[23:20]  * Fare uses qemu mounting /dev/sda read-only to test his attempts at configure dual-booting into ubuntu
[23:20] <tepuy> nadie en español
[23:21] <kidkid> http://askubuntu.com/questions/7205/battery-indicator-is-stuck-on-estimating
[23:21] <kidkid> since 2010 :(
[23:22] <jiffe> bekks: http://nsab.us/public/20161204_171930.jpg
[23:23] <kidkid> Fare: qemu website is dead??????
[23:23] <bekks> jiffe: you need to click "deactivate".
[23:23] <jiffe> I've done that
[23:23] <bekks> jiffe: And?
[23:24] <jiffe> that was one of the first things I did
[23:24] <jiffe> that doesn't change anything
[23:24] <bekks> jiffe: So open a terminal and remove the LV, VG and PV prior continuing your install.
[23:25] <Fare> kidkid: it says firewalled, to me
[23:25] <Fare> I'll go Hillary and blame russian hackers
[23:26] <jiffe> bekks: that doesn't seem to work either, it complains about thin provisioning and asks me to repair
[23:26] <bekks> jiffe: Can you pastebin/screenshot the exact commands you are using and the exact error messages you get?
[23:27] <kidkid> יצצ
[23:27] <kidkid> lol
[23:28] <kidkid> Fare: can ping qemu.org and i get response from qemu.osuosl.org
[23:29] <kidkid> curl: (7) Failed to connect to qemu.org port 80: Connection refused
[23:29] <kidkid> kkk
[23:29] <jiffe> bekks: http://nsab.us/public/screen2.png
[23:30] <bekks> jiffe: And you did what it tells you to do?
[23:30] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: Yeah, the forum has some issues . See/report here -> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2331266 .
[23:31] <kidkid> so let me know guys if anyone can fix fn keys: I have lenovo laptop and does fn keys not work: fn+f11(keyboard logo), fn+f10(search logo), fn+f9(settings logo)
[23:31] <jiffe> thin_dump is not available
[23:31] <jiffe> I'm about ready to just cat /dev/zero to /dev/sda
[23:32] <kidkid> jiffe: send it to /dev/null
[23:33] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: That thread looks like it's from July?
[23:33] <kidkid> Am I the only one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/629258
[23:34] <kidkid> Welcome carlos
[23:34] <carlos_> hola
[23:34] <Blakes5> Hey everyone. I'm looking for a way to have a directory that is encrypted that I can throw stuff into and take out of without having the whole file system encrypted. I've tried encfs and I'm getting a whopping 1MB/s out of a USB drive capable of at least 20MB/s and I'm not going above 20% CPU utilization.
[23:35] <kidkid> Welcome tuxedo connection_lost
[23:35] <kidkid> xD
[23:36] <tuxedo> hello
[23:36] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: Contunuing condition .. moderators and IS keep pounding away on the problems .
[23:36] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: So no one has been able to post anything for six months? Or is it intermittent? (I tried 3 times)
[23:36] <tuxedo> google nexus 7 2nd edition
[23:37] <tuxedo> can I put ubuntu touch on it?
[23:37] <Blakes5> anyone know anything abotu encfs?
[23:37] <Fare> so... does anyone understand crypttab, cryptsetup, cryptroot, lvm?
[23:37] <FJB-Guy> any help on debugging a c file like plan optimizer with gdb?
[23:37] <Blakes5> Fare - a little bit
[23:37] <stan_man_can> Anyone know when ubuntu is going to get an up to date version of certbot/letsencrypt?
[23:38] <ObrienDave> Blakes5, look into VersaCrypt
[23:38] <ikonia> FJB-Guy: try #gcc and ##c++ channel
[23:38] <bekks> jiffe: Which directories did you check for thin_dump?
[23:38] <Blakes5> ObrienDave - have you used encfs?
[23:38] <ObrienDave> no
[23:38] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: It is intermittent in "some" postings .. If ya check " find all my posts " ya may see that you have posted . - we have discovered a few work-a-rounds when we are struck .
[23:39] <Blakes5> ObrienDave - it's easy enough to use....performance is horrible though.
[23:39] <Blakes5> ObrienDave - so Veracrypt is the successor of Truecrypt.....man that was a nice program to use.
[23:40] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: I clicked 'latest posts' and it says 'vBulletin Message Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.'
[23:42] <Fare> Blakes5, I have an existing cryptsetup + lvm configuration from NixOS, with a partition in my lvm reserved for Ubuntu. Ubuntu works fine in chroot, but trying to convince it to build a proper initramfs is... challenging
[23:43] <kidkid> guys.. I don't have manual grub.. see: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/yakkety/en/man8/grub.8.html but Fare No manual entry for grub
[23:43] <kidkid> sorry Fare for pinging no idea why I did that!
[23:44] <kidkid> I wanted to say that on my ubuntu I don't have that manual page. Hope it clears now!!
[23:44] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: From 'quick links' -> 'find all my post ' ?
[23:44] <Fare> kidkid, I have no problem with grub, but I have trouble with initramfs
[23:44] <Blakes5> Fare - when I said a little I wasn't being humble :) Sorry. I've run into a few problems that I've had to solve but nothing like what you're running into.
[23:44] <Fare> Blakes5, what is your cryptroot setup?
[23:44] <Fare> do you have a /etc/crypttab ?
[23:45] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: yes
[23:45] <ObrienDave> Blakes5, that's why I suggested it :)
[23:46] <Blakes5> Fare - I'm not booting anything from encrypted drives presently.
[23:46] <Fare> oh, ok
[23:47] <Fare> is anyone here using cryptroot?
[23:47] <kidkid> not me sir
[23:47] <kidkid> i can google for you x) just ask
[23:47] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: Join #ubuntuforums and discuss the issue there . The forum issue is really not on topic for this channel :)
[23:47]  * Fare goes hunting for debian documentation, in the hopes it is similar in this respect...
[23:47] <arrenlex> Bashing-om: Didn't know that existed. Thanks! :)
[23:47] <Bashing-om> arrenlex: see ya there :)
[23:48] <kidkid> man
[23:48] <kidkid> i could help fjb-guy
[23:48] <kidkid> Welcome chipk
[23:49] <chipk> hello
[23:49] <kidkid> Welcome astarus237
[23:58] <jayjo> is it possible to switch a window placement to a second monitor after the application is launched?