[01:24] <robertj> ooh avahi shiny
[01:24] <syndicate> if you wanted to write an applet in Gnome, would you use libpanel-applet2?
[01:49] <mdke> mdke, new wiki is awesome
[01:50] <tseng> tseng, i agree
[01:50] <mdke> damn
[01:50] <mdke> good point
[01:50] <mdke> mdz, ^^
[02:08] <som> hrmm, ppp_mppe_mppc isn't getting probed in by pptpd...
[02:09] <robertj> is that the intended functionality?
[02:12] <robertj> ppp-compress-18 is aliased to ppp_mppe but ppp_mppe_mppc is needed for pptpd to play nice with OS X & Windows machines
[02:38] <tseng> puc looks stupid with 3 of me
[03:02] <schweeb> tseng: I agree, less tseng, more jdub
[03:03] <tseng> schweeb: dude jdub blogs are all like gnomegnomegnomegnomebadgerbadgerbadger
[03:04] <schweeb> hehe
[03:04] <schweeb> and tseng blogs are all omgmonomonomonoiambrandonhalemonomono
[03:05] <tseng> yes
[03:05] <tseng> infinately cooler
[03:05] <schweeb> well, they would be
[03:05] <schweeb> if you could frigging spell infinitely
[03:06] <tseng> gosh
[03:08] <jdub> MORE X!
[03:19] <mdz> jdub: EVERYONE GETS A PIECE
[03:19] <mdz> tear off a hunk and start chewing
[03:41] <mdke> mdz, how are you liking the new wiki?
[03:41] <mdke> we are loving it
[03:41] <mdke> TM
[03:42] <mdke> some teething problems but it'll get there
[03:59] <mdz> mdke: I much prefer moin; I'm glad that the transition seems to have gone well
[04:00] <mdke> :)
[04:00] <mdke> its working better too: speed and caching
[04:00] <mdke> makes such a difference
[04:01] <mdke> henrik will be sending a mail detailed any outstanding issues
[04:01] <mdke> mdz, one to note right now is that subscriptions have not been carried over, dunno if you use that
[04:02] <mdke> its not a biggie, given that diffs and RecentChanges are so much better
[04:02] <mdz> mdke: yeah, I was subscribed to the whole wiki as a substitute for RecentChanges
[04:02] <mdke> *grins*
[04:02] <mdke> me too
[04:02] <mdz> so now I'm only resubscribing to a few pages
[04:03] <mdke> cool
[04:16] <jdub> mdz: enjoying reading the ltsp changelogs ;)
[04:29] <mdz> jdub: it's now at a point where if you want to play with it, the only manual portion of the setup is dhcpd.conf
[04:29] <mdz> everything else just works
[04:34] <jdub> mdz: yikes
[04:34] <jdub> mdz: is there a setup guide?
[04:41] <jdub> i love seeing tell-tale signs of ubuntu in project screenshots
[04:41] <jdub> http://www.ndesk.org/nbind/
[05:00] <bob2> the GIGANTIC date div on planet is a little surprising
[05:00] <jbailey> jdub: The theme on the window?
[05:23] <Burgundavia> jdub, thoughts? (who should this person talk to?) http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42465
[05:34] <jdub> Burgundavia: technically extremely difficult
[05:34] <jdub> and requires lots of integration
[05:35] <jdub> hard integration
[05:35] <jdub> totally non-breezy
[05:36] <Burgundavia> ok
[06:05] <Lathiat> We're all screwed now
[06:07] <|QuaD-> who maintains gaim?
[06:08] <Jimbob> Maintainer: Robert McQueen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:08] <Jimbob> "apt-cache show gaim"
[06:08] <|QuaD-> Jimbob: i was referring to for ubuntu
[06:09] <|QuaD-> seems that si the debian maintainer
[06:09] <jdub> |QuaD-: look at the changelog :)
[06:09] <|QuaD-> jdub: how?
[06:09] <Jimbob> /usr/share/doc/gaim/changelog.Debian.gz -- Martin Pitt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:10] <|QuaD-> oh :)
[06:10] <|QuaD-> he isn't areound :(
[06:10] <|QuaD-> i was wondering if he would include a cool new plugin
[06:10] <|QuaD-> actually not new
[06:11] <|QuaD-> http://gaim-assistant.tulg.org/
[06:16] <bob2> jdub: blog it!
[06:24] <srbaker> i don't suppoase anyone has made dvd images for ubuntu?
[06:24] <srbaker> all i have are blank dvds
[06:24] <srbaker> for hoary.  i'd rather not put breezy on my system yet
[06:24] <Lathiat> srbaker: There are hoary dvd images
[06:25] <srbaker> Lathiat, i can't find them.  can you point me in the right direction?
[06:26] <Lathiat> http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[06:27] <srbaker> aha
[06:27] <srbaker> the install/live ddvd
[06:27] <srbaker> got it
[06:27] <fabbione> morning
[06:27] <srbaker> it says bittorrent onliy
[06:31] <Lathiat> So bittorrent it :)
[06:31] <Lathiat> Now this discussion should really be in #ubuntu
[06:31] <Lathiat> this channel is for development discussion
[07:16] <AndyFitz> xorg broken ?
[07:16] <AndyFitz> meh .. too late  upgraded :-P
[08:22] <mdz> jdub: setup guide:
[08:23] <mdz> jdub: 1. install ltsp-server-standalone (or ltsp-server + the pieces you need), 2. configure dhcpd.conf to netboot pxelinux, 3. ltsp-build-client, 4. boot thin client(s)
[08:28] <mdz> I just need to publish an example for #2 and it should be trivial
[08:40] <hunger> Is xkb hosed again?
[08:42] <Amaranth> hunger: Oh dear, people are going to be pissed.
[08:43] <hunger> Amaranth: Might be me skrewing up my keyboard...
[08:43] <Amaranth> oh
[08:43] <hunger> Win-key is gone missing again here... maybe it is just my system.
[08:43] <Amaranth> well, it's 1:34am and i need to get up early tomorrow, goodnight all
[08:53] <Q-FUNK> say... when exactly did the wiki move from ubuntulinux.org to ubuntu.com ?
[08:56] <Q-FUNK> pretty silly now, because I hadn't logged in in a while and forgot which username I had & all.  Galeon used to remember it, but obviously won't if the domain is different.
[09:09] <desrt> is it appropriate to report stupid little bugs against breezy?
[09:10] <desrt> (specifically, libxfixes3 is required by a whole whack of stuff, but not formally depended on by anything)
[09:11] <desrt> is that worth opening?
[09:11] <fabbione> desrt: a direct dependency is not always required.
[09:11] <fabbione> is this whack of stuff linked with libxfixes?
[09:11] <desrt> fabbione; ya
[09:11] <fabbione> or it is an indirect depends
[09:12] <desrt> like gnome-*
[09:12] <desrt> essentially, i can apt-get install gnome-panel without xfixes being installed
[09:12] <fabbione> desrt: if it is linked, than it should have been added to the Depends: at build time
[09:12] <desrt> in breezy right now
[09:13] <fabbione> desrt: gnome-panel is not linked to libxfixes
[09:13] <fabbione> that's ok
[09:13] <fabbione> it doesn't need a Depends:
[09:14] <desrt> ...
[09:14] <fabbione> ldd /usr/bin/gnome-panel | grep fix
[09:14] <fabbione> fabbione@gordian:~$
[09:14] <desrt> desrt@moonpix:~$ ldd /usr/bin/gnome-panel | grep fix
[09:14] <desrt>         libXfixes.so.3 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXfixes.so.3 (0xb7548000)
[09:14] <desrt> heh.  weird.
[09:14] <fabbione> hmm what version of gnome-panel ?
[09:14] <desrt> 463a5659fe2ef97774f2067295dabcf3  /usr/bin/gnome-panel
[09:15] <fabbione> let me see if i am one version behind
[09:15] <desrt> it could easily be that this machine is seriously messed up right now
[09:15] <fabbione> nah i am checkign... gimme a sec
[09:15] <desrt> it's gone from hoary to breezy back to hoary and i just brought it to breezy again :)
[09:16] <fabbione> 463a5659fe2ef97774f2067295dabcf3  /usr/bin/gnome-panel
[09:16] <fabbione> 463a5659fe2ef97774f2067295dabcf3  /usr/bin/gnome-panel
[09:16] <fabbione> ops
[09:16] <fabbione> sorry
[09:17] <desrt> fun.
[09:17] <fabbione> ldd /usr/bin/gnome-panel | grep fix
[09:17] <fabbione> no results
[09:17] <desrt> i'm just gonna un/reinstall X
[09:17] <desrt> thanks for the comparison :)
[09:17] <fabbione> no problem
[09:17] <ivoks> heh
[09:18] <ivoks> no fix here too
[09:18] <desrt> another one, though: ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on ubuntu-base and i think it should :P
[09:25] <ivoks> hm... keyboard still not working right in X :(
[10:38] <Kamion> lamont: the approach in #314368 looks totally sensible for breezy
[10:38] <Kamion> lamont: we don't need the modutils udebs in Ubuntu, but I can't remember whether anything in Debian uses them
[11:09] <Keybuk> hmm, I _still_ can't login from gdm
[11:34] <bob2> tseng: muine doesn't run no more
[11:53] <Keybuk> so is breezy X working for anyone at the moment?
[11:56] <thom> works for me
[11:57] <Keybuk> hmm
[11:57] <Keybuk> you can login from gdm, and startx on the console?
[11:57] <Keybuk> startx gives me /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory
[11:58] <thom> i could yesterday, yeah
[11:59] <Lathiat> works for me and i have the latest
[11:59] <Lathiat> Keybuk: make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed?
[11:59] <Keybuk> Lathiat: it is
[12:01] <Keybuk> hmm, what makes that symlink
[12:01] <Keybuk> it looks like daniels moved it to /etc/X11/X
[12:01] <Keybuk> and xinitrc hasn't caught up
[12:02] <Keybuk> Lathiat: what does /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc contain on your box?
[12:02] <Lathiat> root@ubuntu:~ # cat /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[12:02] <Lathiat> #!/bin/sh
[12:02] <Lathiat> exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp
[12:02] <Keybuk> do you have a /usr/bin/X11/X ?
[12:03] <Lathiat> nope
[12:03] <Lathiat> butit still works
[12:03] <Keybuk> startx works?  or just gdm?
[12:04] <doko> the only thing I get is a popup dialog complaining about xkb
[12:04] <doko> everything else seems to work
[12:04] <Keybuk> hmm
[12:04] <Keybuk> now it appears that Xorg isn't setuid root
[12:05] <sivang> yo all
[12:06] <Keybuk> changing that file and making Xorg setuid root lets me startx
[12:06] <Keybuk> but gdm still won't login -- I get a session chooser widget thing that does nothing
[12:09] <Keybuk> right, so if I explicitly select "GNOME" I can login
[12:10] <Keybuk> but the "Default Session" thing isn't GNOME
[12:10] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:11] <Keybuk> weirdness
[12:13] <opi> Hi guys
[12:13] <opi> (host lists.ubuntu.com[<IP_ADDRESS>]  said: 421 Unexpected failure)
[12:14] <opi> is there anything wrong with ubuntu.com mail server?
[12:14] <Keybuk> brb, now I have something graphical
[12:14] <opi> or where should I report that :-)
[12:15] <opi> (host lists.ubuntu.com[<IP_ADDRESS>]  said: 452 Space shortage)
[12:16] <opi> hmmm
[12:18] <sabdfl> opi: oops. that's an old box of mine and it's out of disk space
[12:18] <sabdfl> thanks for the heads up
[12:18] <opi> sabdfl: no problem
[12:18] <sabdfl> i'll try fix it, maybe elmo has a plan to move those lists to a newer canonical box
[12:18] <opi> sabdfl: I just rushed to raport, because it's like that since 2h or so
[12:19] <dholbach> hi
[12:21] <opi> OK, my work is done here. I'm moving back to work :P
[12:23] <tseng> bob2: youd have to be more specific
[12:24] <bob2> tseng: when I start it, ot does nothing, and venetually comes up with a "time out" error
[12:24] <bob2> tseng: even after nuking ~/.gnome2/muine/
[12:24] <tseng> dpkg -l muine* | grep ii
[12:24] <tseng> ?
[12:25] <bob2> tseng: 0.8.2-5ubuntu2
[12:25] <tseng> actually
[12:25] <tseng> things are going to get alot more broken
[12:26] <bob2> this is hoary
[12:26] <tseng> uh
[12:26] <tseng> WFMAEE
[12:26] <tseng> (and everyone else?)
[12:26] <bob2> yeah, and used to work for me
[12:27] <tseng> ive never heard of muine "timing out"
[12:27] <tseng> is it timing out to dbus?
[12:28] <Keybuk> ok... so I can get X to start
[12:28] <Keybuk> but none of the bucky-bits work on the keyboard
[12:28] <bob2> Unhandled Exception: DBus.DBusException: No reply within specified time
[12:28] <bob2> in <0x00167> DBus.Message:SendWithReplyAndBlock ()
[12:28] <bob2> in <0x000c6> Muine.DBusLib.Player.Proxy:SetWindowVisible (bool)
[12:28] <bob2> in <0x00112> Muine.Global:Main (string[] )
[12:28] <bob2> tseng: right
[12:28] <tseng> there you go
[12:28] <tseng> fix your dbus
[12:28] <tseng> :)
[12:29] <bob2> hrm
[12:29] <bob2> same error, even after restarting the dbus daemon
[12:29] <bob2> I'll bitch at daniel when he lands
[12:30] <Keybuk> is there anything daniels didn't break before he left? :)
[12:30] <tseng> restarting system dbus daemon, or user dbus?
[12:30] <tseng> not the same thing
[12:30] <bob2> system
[12:30] <tseng> can you start a new session (after insuring there are no left overs from this one)?
[12:30] <tseng> gnome session i mean
[12:31] <bob2> ah, user
[12:31] <bob2> = restart gnome?
[12:32] <bob2> or in addition to the existing one?
[12:32] <tseng> i dont know how to do it by hand
[12:33] <hunger> Wha! The keyboard guessing game in the installer is fun;-)
[12:33] <tseng> buh we are going to have to --force-overwrite the new mono debs
[12:33] <dholbach> brb
[12:33] <tseng> since upstream pulled a fast one on me last release
[12:35] <dholbach> hrm
[12:35] <tseng> wb
[12:35] <dholbach> none of the comments to the xkb bugs was helpful
[12:35] <Keybuk> dholbach: bug#s?
[12:35] <hunger> dholbach: So there is a new xkb bug?
[12:36] <dholbach> Keybuk: 11909 and 11931 iirc
[12:36] <hunger> dholbach: I am seeing it (at least my win key is no longer recognized). How can I help?
[12:36] <Keybuk> and 10695 and 10939? ;)
[12:36] <tseng> ok kids, DO NOT install this mono
[12:36] <tseng> its a bootstrap
[12:37] <dholbach> hunger: fix "(EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap" for me :)
[12:37] <hunger> dholbach: I am definitly only missing the win key...
[12:37] <dholbach> writing latex without backslash and curly braces is ... not funny
[12:37] <Keybuk> I'm missing Compose too
[12:37] <Keybuk> And AltGr
[12:37] <dholbach> (not to mention writing C or C++ code)
[12:37] <hunger> dholbach: Now that you mention those: AltGr is missing too.
[12:38] <hunger> dholbach: Yes, I got the same error in Xorg.log.
[12:38] <mdke> everyone has it i think
[12:38] <dholbach> perhaps i should just grab a pen and some pieces of paper and take a train to the nearest lake and write some pages there
[12:38] <hunger> Feels good to not be alone after all;-)
[12:38] <tseng> dput should actualyl show some stuff about the upload
[12:39] <tseng> speed, progress
[12:39] <dholbach> tseng: how about some ascii movie, if the upload takes a bit longer? ;-)
[12:39] <tseng> yes
[12:39] <hunger> I wonder how my completly custom keyboard mapping managed to turn from xkb into pre-xkb?
[12:39] <sivang> Hmm does anybody know if gibraltar is non free? looks that way judging by their downloads section
[12:50] <mdke> smurfix, ping?
[12:51] <Keybuk> kids ... don't strace X
[12:51] <mdke> *laughs*
[12:52] <dholbach> Keybuk: i thought about it too :)
[12:52] <thom> Keybuk: yeah, it has interesting side effects, like hanging your system
[12:52] <Keybuk> it didn't hang ... it's just went v  e  r  y      s  l  o  w  l  y
[12:52] <dholbach> (but thought the better of it)
[12:52] <thom> ah, it hangs my laptop every time
[12:52] <thom> but that just might be the awfulness of the i810 driver
[12:53] <Keybuk> well, a lot of stuff is trying to access /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/...
[12:53] <Keybuk> which daniels appears to have helpfully ommitted the symlink for
[12:53] <Keybuk> and /usr/lib/X11/XKeysymDB
[12:54] <Keybuk> (now /usr/share/X11/XkeysymDB)
[12:54] <hunger> Keybuk: That does not change anything:-(
[12:54] <dholbach> i tried to symlink XKeysymDB but that doesnt seem to be enough
[12:55] <Keybuk> hunger: did you do _both_ ?
[12:55] <hunger> Keybuk: I did the last time the keyboard was broken.
[12:56] <__keybuk> well, it's fixed vt-switching
[12:56] <__keybuk> I got an X and GNOME differ dialog -- and selected GNOME
[12:57] <__keybuk> yay, and I have Win, AltGr and Compose now
[12:57] <thom> what the christ does "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error" mean
[12:57] <dholbach> __keybuk: what should /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/ point to?
[12:57] <tseng> perhaps the script is -x?
[12:57] <mjg59> Is postinst an executable script?
[12:58] <hunger> __keybuk: So symlinking helps this time round?
[12:58] <thom> mjg59: yes
[12:58] <thom> tseng: no
[12:58] <Keybuk> w00t
[12:58] <Keybuk> \o/
[12:58] <Keybuk> no dialogs this time
[12:58] <Keybuk> syndicate scott% xprop -root | grep XKB
[12:58] <Keybuk> _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "gb", "", ""
[12:58] <Keybuk> _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "gb", "", "compose:rctl"
[12:58] <thom>  "sudo /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst configure" works fine
[12:58] <Keybuk> hunger: it looks like you need both symlinks
[12:59] <Keybuk> mjg59: script can't be -x, dpkg would've refused to build the deb
[12:59] <thom> there's nothing useful in dpkg.log
[12:59] <Keybuk> thom: ?
[01:00] <thom> Keybuk: trying to figure out why dpkg is crying about my postinst
[01:00] <Keybuk> thom: what's the error?
[01:00] <thom> < thom> what the christ does "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error" mean
[01:01] <Keybuk>        ENOEXEC
[01:01] <Keybuk>               An executable is not in a recognised format, is  for  the  wrong
[01:01] <Keybuk>               architecture,  or has some other format error that means it can
[01:01] <Keybuk>               not be executed.
[01:01] <thom> ah, heh. found it. missing !.
[01:01] <Keybuk> ;)
[01:02] <Keybuk> yah, is generally bad shabang
[01:03] <thom> besides that, looks like new NM is hot to trot
[01:03] <Keybuk> how usable is it at the moment?
[01:04] <thom> the one i'm just about to upload works great for me
[01:04] <Keybuk> cool, I shall test
[01:05] <thom> the one in breezy is known not to work, so don't bother for the next hour or so :-)
[01:05] <HiddenWolf> omg, I've never seen it so active here on a saturday. :)
[01:07] <Keybuk> thom: yeah, I tried that one
[01:08] <Keybuk> I'm trying to ween myself off NIH
[01:09] <thom> Keybuk: heh
[01:09] <thom> Uploading via ftp network-manager_0.4.1+cvs20050618-1_source.changes: done.
[01:09] <thom> Successfully uploaded packages.
[01:20] <mdke> jdub, around?
[01:20] <dholbach> Keybuk: thank you :)))
[01:22] <mdke> we are having some issues with the -doc mailing lists, is anyone else receiving list mail?
[01:23] <bob2> lists.ubuntu.com is temporarily screwed
[01:24] <mdke> right
[01:24] <mdke> ok
[01:53] <Keybuk> who broke xscreensaver?
[01:56] <pef> hello
[01:56] <pef> can someone explains me why oss is not completely deleted (for alsa) from ubuntu ?
[01:59] <bob2> because not everything does alsa
[02:00] <pef> bob2: have you examples (apps ?)
[02:01] <bob2> no idea
[02:04] <dholbach> see you later
[02:06] <smurfix> mdke:
[02:06] <mdke> *grins*
[02:07] <mdke> smurfix, did you add #ubuntu-it-meeting to LoCoBot?
[02:08] <smurfix> it's there now
[02:08] <mdke> bingo
[02:08] <mdke> thanks :D
[02:09] <smurfix> I forgot to re-add it after freenode annoyed me with a "you're on too many channels" message
[02:09] <mdke> idiots
[02:09] <mdke> smurfix, so is there a way to get on more channels you think?
[02:09] <smurfix> I don't know, I'll have to ask them; at the moment there's a locobt and a locobot2 *shrug*
[02:10] <mdke> ok
[02:10] <mdke> well thanks v much for doing that
[02:10] <mdke> its a cool service
[02:11] <smurfix> np
[03:02] <ogra> Keybuk, whats broken in xscreensaver ?
[03:16] <Keybuk> ogra: it has the old-fashioned jwzware password dialog
[03:16] <Keybuk> and not the Ubuntu one
[03:17] <ogra> Keybuk, http://www.grawert.net/xss_mockup.png
[03:17] <ogra> Keybuk, it has a new login button, and jwz changed all xpm funcition names internally.... so i hav to rewrite the whole stuff :-/
[03:18] <Keybuk> right
[03:18] <Keybuk> is there any particular reason we don't make it look _exactly_ like the gdm greeter?
[03:19] <Keybuk> they see that for logging in, and for switching users, so it makes some sense to me that they'd see it for unlocking screen too
[03:19] <torkel> ogra: looks really nice. Two things I miss though. A clock and for how long it has been locked
[03:20] <ogra> torkel, nope, new concept ;)
[03:20] <ogra> (how long it has been locked was never included)
[03:20] <torkel> ogra: I know, and I have missed it all these years :-)
[03:21] <ogra> torkel, the next version should just reset the timeout on every keystroke, so it closes only if there is really no input for some while
[03:23] <ogra> Keybuk, because we have found nobody to do it.... vunz wants to do it, butnot in breezy time
[03:24] <ogra> Keybuk, so currently we fall back on my old dialog...with modifications
[03:24] <Keybuk> still better than jwzware :)
[03:24] <ogra> yes...
[03:25] <torkel> Keybuk: everything is better than jwzware :-)
[03:25] <ogra> jdub's blogentry about freescreensave made me think about it... we probably should do it :)
[03:25] <Keybuk> jwz has the UI instinct of an octopus
[03:25] <ogra> hehe
[03:25] <ogra> and weird ideas of copyrights
[03:26] <ogra>    change the logo that xscreensaver displays on the splash screen and
[03:26] <ogra>    password dialog, please don't.  The logo is xscreensaver's identity.
[03:26] <ogra>    You wouldn't alter the name or copyright notice on a program that
[03:26] <ogra>    you didn't write; please don't alter its logo either.
[03:26] <ogra>  */
[03:27] <ogra> a comment from jwz
[03:35] <Lathiat> ogra: heh
[03:37] <thom> right, please test newest network-manager, please
[03:38] <thom> well, when it gets to the archive
[03:38] <doko> pittiping
[03:38] <doko> pitti: ping
[03:38] <doko> :)
[03:38] <ska-fan> no route to host
[03:42] <ogra> thom, do you have a version that builds now ?
[03:42] <ogra> (last upload failed)
[03:42] <ogra> chown -R bind:bind debian/network-manager/var/lib/NetworkManager
[03:42] <ogra> 1526	chown: `bind:bind': invalid user
[03:50] <thom> ogra: yes, 2 is already uploaded and built on all arches
[03:50] <ogra> ah, ok
[03:51] <ogra> i didnt see it on -changes
[03:51] <thom> ah
[03:51] <thom> yeah; it's in the archive and downloadable now
[03:52] <ogra> btw, it doesnt work with my pcmcia card to well....
[03:52] <thom> try the new one, please. and then file a bug :-)
[03:53] <ogra> its a common problem.... that lies rather on the HAL level....since that card doesnt support network scanning and HAL doesnt even recognize it as wlan
[03:53] <lamont> wooo hooo... xpaint forkbomb-of-xorg-death
[04:05] <thom> ogra: ah
[04:10] <ogra> hmpf
[04:12] <Keybuk> thom: so, I installed network-manager, now what? ;)
[04:12] <Keybuk> ah, it's still an icon?
[04:14] <Keybuk> thom: it thinks my signal is half of what it is
[04:14] <Keybuk> and now it thinks it's 8% not 80% :p
[04:16] <robertj> heya ogra, from what I understand, pptpd won't accept windows or mac clients with the default set of module aliases
[04:16] <Treenaks> Keybuk: wow, you can connect to your network with n-m ?
[04:16] <robertj> has this been discussed before?
[04:16] <Keybuk> Treenaks: yeah, and my neighbour's :p
[04:16] <Treenaks> Keybuk: wow..
[04:17] <Treenaks> Keybuk: I can't connect to any networks
[04:17] <robertj> without ppp_mppe_mppc it's very unhappy, but apparently ppp-compress-18 is aliased to plain old ppp_mppe
[04:18] <Treenaks> robertj: ppp?!
[04:18] <tseng> have you filed a bug assigned to kernel team?
[04:18] <Treenaks> robertj: what does my WEP-encrypted wifi network have to do with ppp?
[04:18] <robertj> Treenaks: it doesn't different question
[04:19] <Treenaks> robertj: ah ok :) nm then
[04:19] <robertj> Treenaks: This is needed to get pptpd to play nicely
[04:20] <robertj> tseng: is that for me?
[04:21] <tseng> robertj: yes
[04:21] <tseng> christ me, NM actually did something
[04:21] <robertj> tseng: well its probably a policy question
[04:21] <robertj> because it seems that that compression implementation is patented
[04:21] <tseng> well if you file a bug or post to a mailing list instead of asking on irc at odd times
[04:21] <tseng> you are more likely to hear about policy or whatever the reasoning is
[04:22] <robertj> I just wanted to check here before bothering the list
[04:23] <tseng> well it sounds like you have a valid question, please pose it somewhere less volatile
[04:23] <tseng> things on irc are lost instantly if the right person isnt watching
[04:23] <robertj> yeah, I will
[04:23] <tseng> thanks :)
[04:24] <robertj> I'm actually going to wait and talk to a fellow in pptp when he signs on that will know if there is a way to disable this compression and still talk to microsoft clients
[04:24] <robertj> because if so, that seems like the only viable thing to do
[04:30] <robertj> btw, I finally got avahi compiled, whee.
[04:32] <tseng> thom: it actually kind of sort of works sometimes
[04:32] <tseng> thom: congrats
[05:15] <pitti> Hi
[05:16] <LinuxJones> hello pitti
[05:32] <dhonn> is there a way to make a gnome panel not "always on top"?
[05:32] <mdke> dhonn, if you ask in #ubuntu, they should be able to help
[05:33] <dhonn> it needs to be developed
[05:33] <mdke> oh, sorry misunderstood ya
[05:33] <mdke> you don't like the properties "autohide" thing?
[05:34] <dhonn> theres a bug where transparent panels dont show whats underneath them.  you just see the bg image and not underlapping windows under them
[05:34] <mdke> is that a bug?
[05:35] <mdke> or just lack of real transparency
[05:35] <dhonn> both
[05:35] <dhonn> lol
[05:39] <mdke> well i don't know much about it, but I can't see real transparency being implemented in gnome-panel for a while
[05:40] <mdke> you can get it with xcompmgr and transcod tho
[05:40] <mdke> argh
[05:40] <mdke> transset
[05:44] <thom> tseng: *giggle*
[05:46] <|QuaD-> pitti: you around?
[05:46] <pitti> |QuaD-: yes
[05:46] <|QuaD-> pitti: you package gaim right?
[05:46] <pitti> no, that's seb128
[05:46] <|QuaD-> oh ok
[05:46] <pitti> |QuaD-: I do the security updates, though
[05:47] <|QuaD-> pitti: i was wondering if it would be possible to have a plugin included, but i gotta talk to seb :)
[05:47] <pitti> yes, that'd be better
[05:47] <|QuaD-> pitti: thanks
[05:47] <pitti> no problem :-)
[05:52] <mdke> mako, around perchance?
[06:07] <sivang> pitti: yellow :-) 'sup?
[06:07] <pitti> sivang: just returned from a nice 50 km biking tour, I feel great :-) and you? (and what about yellow?)
[06:13] <mdke> has anyone any news about the mailing lists?
[06:15] <zul> they're down?
[06:16] <mdke> i haven't had any mail for 14 hours
[06:16] <mdke> since about 2 am UTC
[06:18] <bob2> some are down
[06:19] <bob2> only the ones on rince
[06:20] <mdke> ah right
[06:20] <mdke> bob2, is there an ETA for getting them back up?
[06:20] <mdke> i guess its a weekend...
[06:21] <bob2> I have no idea
[06:21] <bob2> go play in the park or something ;p
[06:22] <mdke> *grins*
[06:22] <mdke> i'm english
[06:22] <bob2> ah
[06:22] <mdke> i can't go outside because it will be too hot or too cold
[06:22] <mdke> depending
[06:22] <bob2> you could go drink tea and whinge about the weather instead, then ;p
[06:22] <bob2> haha
[06:31] <sivang> pitti: ah , had lost a debian router this weekend but other then that, nothing special ;-)
[06:32] <sivang> pitti: yellow is like hello, from some stupid joke I heaed
[06:36] <pitti> Hi sabdfl
[06:41] <doko> pitti: unstable builds postgresql-8.0-pljava-gcj, but not breezy?
[06:42] <pitti> doko: that's not my package, but Peter Eisentraut's... it isn't in breezy yet?
[06:44] <pitti> it could be NEW
[06:44] <doko> ahh, ok. we'll break libgcj6 compatibility with the next upload
[06:45] <wasabi> huh what's this
[06:46] <wasabi> Hi Jerry,
[06:46] <wasabi> I saw some of your posts on the Ubuntu mailing list and thought you might be interested in taking a look at a book proposal we have and
[06:46] <wasabi> doing a quick review. Does that sound like something you'd like to do?
[06:46] <wasabi> heh. I don't remember ever posting anything remotely intelligent to either Ubuntu list.
[06:47] <sabdfl> hey all
[06:58] <two-face> Hi
[06:59] <two-face> I'd like to know if Ubuntu is going to follow Debian if the latter decides to remove all GFDL docs
[07:00] <doko> wasabi: we need to remove the java-gcj-compat dependency from the lib*-java packages. we don't want to have the compilers installed for a runtime dependency
[07:01] <two-face> hi doko
[07:02] <doko> two-face: no
[07:03] <two-face> doko, so packages will have to be forked?
[07:04] <siretart> is it possible that a source package creates binary packages in different sections?
[07:04] <two-face> siretart, yes
[07:12] <two-face> doko, i'm asking since i comaintain emacs, so i'd like things done in common as much as possible
[07:14] <doko> two-face: are you debian maintainer?
[07:14] <hughsie> Anyone want to ask questions about GNOME Power Manager? I'm the main dev.
[07:15] <two-face> doko, yep
[07:15] <wasabi> doko, true.
[07:15] <wasabi> Those should depend on java-runtime I believe.
[07:16] <doko> wasabi: yes, with a real alternative, so better: gij | java1-runtime. I think java-runtime is deprecated
[07:16] <wasabi> Oh? I thought it was the other way around.
[07:17] <doko> two-face: please read mako's mail to debian-private
[07:17] <doko> wasabi: no
[07:17] <two-face> doko, i know about it. I'm just anticipating
[07:23] <asase> can we use breezy?I mean dist-upgrade to breezy? or only some packages? es xorg working ok?
[07:23] <asase> thanks
[07:24] <hughsie> I got an email about this http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/gnome/gnome-power today.
[07:24] <zul> hey pitti
[07:24] <hughsie> And knowing little about ubuntu I'm asking you guys what the plan is!
[07:24] <pitti> Hi zul
[07:25] <doko> two-face: the source has to be modified, so we might not build from the same source. I'd replace the texinfo docs then with dummy docs, so that the build and install process works and only needs to be adapted for the removal of the docs. but if you ship a separate -doc package as well, we might just import that one and relabel it from non-free to main.
[07:25] <two-face> doko, alright thanks
[08:22] <Treenaks> muine-dbus, muine-plugin* need NEW love
[08:22] <Treenaks> I think
[08:23] <asase> ?
[08:25] <Treenaks> asase: well, the muine-plugin packages are being built..
[08:25] <Treenaks> asase: but they're not in Packages
[08:25] <asase> cool for all those want to get running plugins :)
[08:26] <asase> I always have to build muine to use some plugins
[08:26] <asase> :)
[08:26] <asase> good idea :)
[08:27] <Treenaks> asase: exactly :)
[08:42] <srbaker> sigh
[08:43] <srbaker> what a fucking waste of time.  i tell someone "hi, i've added these features to your software and want to prepare a patch" and he says "no.  i won't accept it even though everyone's crying for it"
[09:20] <mdke> can someone please hack into the mailing lists server and do a reboot
[09:21] <mjg59> Why is my apt-get update complaining that the .gz files aren't bzip2ed?
[09:23] <mjg59> Looks like some sort of content-type issue - it works fine if I use ftp instead
[09:29] <Keybuk> srbaker: it's his software, maybe he doesn't watch that feature?
[09:29] <Keybuk> uh, want that feature
[09:29] <Keybuk> see Havoc Pennington's excellent essays on this issue
[09:30] <Keybuk> metacity "workspace support" and "windows above the panel" support, passim.
[09:31] <wasabi> What sort of security issues are presented by having suid root applications connected to the X server?
[09:31] <wasabi> Curious.
[09:31] <Keybuk> wasabi: other applications can poke stuff into them
[09:31] <Keybuk> you can send keypresses, etc.
[09:31] <Keybuk> so a non-root app can influence a root app
[09:31] <wasabi> When you say poke do you seriously mean "alter memory used by the program" in a way as to take control of it?
[09:32] <wasabi> OR just do simple interactions with it.
[09:32] <Keybuk> no, but (e.g.) if you ran a setuid gnome-terminal -- any other app could run anything as root by sending the shell commands to it
[09:32] <Keybuk> there's also shared memory between the X server and the application that _may_ be exploitable
[09:32] <Keybuk> not to mention shared resources
[09:33] <Keybuk> the general advice is to only connect to the X server as the user, and use a separate setuid sibling process to do the root stuff with IPC between them
[09:33] <Keybuk> ie. a setuid program that forks, and drops privileges from one side
[09:33] <wasabi> Is that how gnome-system-tools work?
[09:33] <Keybuk> yes
[09:33] <wasabi> And Synaptic? :)
[09:34] <Keybuk> and even things like gnome-su
[09:34] <wasabi> Synaptic ignores my theme setting... which worries me.
[09:34] <Keybuk> synaptic, not sure
[09:34] <Keybuk> if it's ignoring theme settings, that's a hint of a different user
[09:35] <Keybuk> actually, don't know if that's how gst works
[09:35] <Keybuk> but then I really don't like gst
[09:36] <wasabi> yeah g-s-t ignores themes too
[09:36] <wasabi> looks like it's just wrapped in gksu
[09:46] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[09:47] <robitaille> good morning in mailing-list-less Ubuntu-land
[09:47] <tseng> hi jdub
[09:48] <tseng> robitaille: blamewaugh.com
[09:48] <tseng> robitaille: register now.
[09:48] <mdke> morning jdub
[09:48] <tseng> its right next to blamestoner.com
[09:49] <robitaille> it's so quiet today... I actually caught up on all my e-mails.
[09:49] <jdub> robitaille: what's happening?
[09:49] <jdub> you're getting errors from the listserv, or did elmo start moving them?
[09:50] <mdke> just no mail coming through for some lists
[09:50] <mdke> if they are being moved, that would explain it
[09:53] <Treenaks> jdub: BOFH-style? :)
[09:54] <jdub> no
[09:54] <jdub> i don't know half the people who use this machine
[09:54] <jdub> so i have to be extremely careful
[09:54] <jdub> and unBOFH
[09:54] <Treenaks> hm, good point
[09:56] <Keybuk> aren't we supposed to have our own mailserver by now? ;p
[09:57] <robitaille> jdub,  according to the ubuntu-devel logs from a few hours ago, sabdfl knows about it...something about a disk full for the listserver computer
[09:58] <jdub> yeah
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> does sabdfl mean anything specific to him? cant figure it out
[09:59] <Keybuk> Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life
[09:59] <tseng> or south african
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[09:59] <tseng> if you like acronym overloading
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> no if SA was south-african it will prolly be the next several presidents..
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> funny nickname its cool
[10:00] <jdub> elmo: ping
[10:00] <mjg59> Hm. hal-device-manager is giving me "bus instance has no attribute get_service"
[10:01] <mjg59> And networkmanager isn't finding any devices, which I assume is connected
[10:01] <robitaille> jdub,  was the listserver move planned for soon?
[10:01] <jdub> robitaille: very soon, hopefully last week, but elmo and i had a hard time syncing up :)
[10:04] <tseng> ah 2.6.12
[10:04] <tseng> about time
[10:04] <mjg59> Anyone here on Breezy?
[10:04] <mjg59> If so, does your hal-device-manager contain anything other than the acpi devices?
[10:04] <mjg59> (assuming gnome-power is installed)
[10:05] <Keybuk> still have devices in hal
[10:06] <mjg59> Keybuk: Have you restarted dbus?
[10:06] <Keybuk> no
[10:06] <mjg59> Can you do that and retry?
[10:07] <mjg59> Grah
[10:09] <jdub> hrm, prefs ui is a bit bong
[10:09] <jdub> haha
[10:10] <mjg59> jdub: for gnome-power?
[10:10] <mjg59> Yeah
[10:10] <mjg59> There's various bits that need to be stripped out
[10:10] <jdub> and has so much more stuff when gnome-power-manager is actually running ;)
[10:10] <jdub> and mine displays two batteries
[10:10] <mjg59> Do you have two batteries?
[10:11] <jdub> i *can* have two batterie
[10:11] <jdub> s
[10:11] <jdub> and proc/hal says stuff about both
[10:11] <jdub> hrm
[10:12] <jdub> $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state
[10:12] <jdub> present:                 yes
[10:12] <jdub> capacity state:          ok
[10:12] <jdub> charging state:          charged
[10:12] <jdub> present rate:            0 mA
[10:12] <jdub> remaining capacity:      1348 mAh
[10:12] <jdub> present voltage:         16614 mV
[10:12] <jdub>
[10:12] <jdub> $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT2/state
[10:12] <jdub> present:                 yes
[10:12] <jdub> capacity state:          ok
[10:12] <jdub> charging state:          charged
[10:12] <jdub> present rate:            unknown
[10:12] <jdub> remaining capacity:      unknown
[10:12] <jdub> present voltage:         unknown
[10:12] <jdub>
[10:12] <jdub> bong
[10:13] <nbm> I'd be happy with one working battery monitor.
[10:14] <jdub> mjg59: dude, what's the userlinux status?
[10:14] <mjg59> The userlinux status is that Bruce Perens needs to get a life
[10:15] <mjg59> More seriously, Bruce has been pissing about with the LMI and there's no sign of a release
[10:15] <tseng> he does it for love, you have to give him credit. and who wouldnt love their aunt tilly?
[10:15] <mjg59> I don't want Bruce's love
[10:15] <mjg59> It's deviant
[10:16] <tseng> (his take on average users + linux is hilarity)
[10:16] <tseng> he should meet Tim from UDU and get a dose of clue
[10:17] <mjg59> Aunt Tillie was ESR rather than Bruce
[10:17] <Keybuk> mjg59: well, restarting dbus crashed the computer
[10:17] <mjg59> Keybuk: Cool!
[10:17] <tseng> oh damn i got my oss-luminaries-as-buzzwords mixed
[10:17] <Keybuk> and on reboot, network-manager fucked up (shock)
[10:18] <Keybuk> but hal-device-manager had devices int
[10:18] <Keybuk> in it
[10:18] <jdub> n-m is a bit patns
[10:19] <mjg59> It's a bit pants, but it's TEH FUTAR
[10:19] <robertj> mlg59: what's the LMI?
[10:19] <mjg59> Linux Mark Institute
[10:19] <mjg59> The people who are supposed to deal with handing out Linux trademark licenses
[10:19] <robertj> ohhhh
[10:20] <robertj> hehe, you think thats sad? I spent an hour today mocking up changes for a the Connect to Server dialog that I don't have the skills to implement :(
[10:22] <robertj> (I also found out Gazpacho will crash if attempting to save to a directory it doesn't have enough permissions to acccess)
[10:23] <jdub> mjg59: he reckoned they were ok with it
[10:23] <jdub> mjg59: more likely his new job doesn't give him time to work on it :)
[10:24] <mjg59> Argh I need a new keyboard
[10:24] <robertj> mjg59: if you don't mind ergonomics I recommend the MS Naturals'
[10:24] <robertj> they are pretty cheap and are... well, ergonomic
[10:24] <mjg59> robertj: Yeah, but it won't fit my laptop terribly well...
[10:25] <robertj> mjg59: oh, that's a bummer
[10:25] <mjg59> I broke the left shift key, which is a bit pants
[10:25] <robertj> I'm about to sell my old laptop, so I may buy a new one soon
[10:25] <mjg59> Someone's ebaying a French one, though, so that's a possibility
[10:26] <robertj> is it possible to get the iso images of the hp ubuntu cds?
[10:27] <robertj> are they anything special or will they just be standard Breezy images?
[10:27] <HiddenWolf> HP as in Hewlett Packard?
[10:27] <robertj> yeah
[10:28] <HiddenWolf> They're shipping ubuntu?
[10:28] <robertj> err, vaguely
[10:28] <Keybuk> in a wishy-washy kind of way
[10:28] <robertj> from what I understand, if your in eastern europe, africa, or the middle east you can request they send you a cd
[10:28] <Keybuk> they'll ship you Ubuntu for certain laptops if you ask
[10:28] <Keybuk> and live in the right place
[10:29] <robertj> but are they standard cds?
[10:29] <tseng> it was mentitoned something about extra drivers
[10:29] <tseng> in the paraphrased press releases
[10:29] <sivang> Shipping ubuntu as part of their desktop OS ?
[10:29] <tseng> i mean... technical news sites
[10:29] <sivang> or for laptops?
[10:29] <robertj> sivang: laptops
[10:30] <sivang> robertj: woooo cool
[10:30] <Keybuk> 6xxx series
[10:30] <sivang> When is this scheduled?
[10:32] <mjg59> It's lightly modified
[10:32] <robertj> mjg59: will we be able to get isos if we get ahold of a matching laptop?
[10:32] <mjg59> robertj: I'm not sure, I'm afraid
[10:33] <mjg59> It's all GPLed, so there's certainly nothing stopping you getting a copy off someone who already has a copy
[10:33] <robertj> so no non-free drivers then
[10:38] <lamont__> mjg59: are all the tweaks for the nc6000 et al in breezy then?
[10:42] <mjg59> lamont__: Not entirely
[10:42] <lamont__> ok
[10:43] <ogra> mjg59, we'll have a new upstream version of gnome-power next week, richard huges just mailed me very sweet screenshots
[10:43] <mjg59> Cool
[10:44] <ogra> the hibernate and sleep commands are now set in gconf keys, so we just have to modify these for pmi and thats it :)
[10:44] <mjg59> Cool
[10:44] <sivang> ogra: cool, 'sup?
[10:44] <mjg59> ogra: Any idea why I might only be getting ACPI devices in hal-device-manager?
[10:45] <ogra> mjg59, nope... i have no apm machine around....
[10:45] <mjg59> Mm? This is with ACPI
[10:45] <mjg59> If I run hal-device-manager, I /only/ get the ACPI devices
[10:45] <mjg59> No PCI ones
[10:45] <ogra> oh
[10:45] <ogra> mine looks ok
[10:47] <mjg59> I'm upgrading to current Breezy now, I'll see if it's still doing it
[10:53] <jdub> why would wget get a 403 attempting to get a page on the ubuntu wiki?
[10:53] <jdub> ie:
[10:53] <jdub> wget -O- "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide?action=raw"
[10:54] <jdub> it's not like you have to be logged in
[10:54] <mdke> dunno
[10:54] <mdke> permissions?
[10:54] <mdke> they will probably be able to tell ya in #moin
[10:54] <mdke> they are good
[10:55] <jdub> we're molesting it in unpredictableish ways
[10:55] <schweeb> jdub: not loading for me either
[10:55] <mdke> jdub, molesting?
[10:55] <jdub> schweeb: with wget? but works for browser?
[10:56] <schweeb> on, not in browser... either that or it's extremely slow
[10:56] <schweeb> s/on/no/
[10:56] <jdub> oh
[10:56] <mdke> i get it in browser
[10:56] <schweeb> man, I love this new laptop
[10:56] <schweeb> gotta upgrade to breezy now
[10:56] <jdub> your laptop must be slow ;)
[10:57] <schweeb> h4n
[10:57] <schweeb> it's an IBM X41 ;)
[10:57] <mdke> jdub, honest, try #moin
[10:58] <jdub> i'll talk to them when i'm happy it's not us
[10:58] <mdke> jdub, even if its us, they might be able to tell you
[10:58] <mdke> but fair enough
[10:58] <schweeb> ah, works fine for me now
[10:58] <schweeb> for some reason the SSL cert stuff didn't get focus
[10:59] <schweeb> I get 403 with wget as well...
[10:59] <schweeb> bleh
[11:00] <schweeb> you have access to the apache logs, jdub?
[11:00] <schweeb> (I realize they'll be HUGE)
[11:01] <jdub> nup
[11:01] <schweeb> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/2011
[11:02] <schweeb> that's what I get with --debug
[11:02] <schweeb> nothing real useful
[11:02] <schweeb> could it be a user agent thing? or a cookie thing?
[11:02] <sivang> hmm, seb128 already went to sleep?
[11:03] <jdub> schweeb: either would make me cross ;)
[11:03] <mdke> same happens on the moin base wiki
[11:03] <schweeb> jdub: indeed
[11:03] <mdke> wget -O- "http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/RecentChanges?action=raw"
[11:03] <schweeb> I'm guessing a user agent thing
[11:03] <schweeb> lemme get a user agent string to test
[11:04] <jdub> pity i can't do ssl with nc (which is what i was using before https)
[11:04] <jdub> maybe moin kills wget
[11:04] <mdke> wget -O- "http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpContents?action=raw"
[11:04] <mdke> ditto
[11:04] <jdub> jesus
[11:04] <jdub> wget -O- -U "me" "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide?action=raw"
[11:05] <jdub> ^ fine
[11:05] <schweeb> yep, user agent
[11:05] <schweeb> worked with IE6's user agent for me
[11:05] <schweeb> that's wonderful.
[11:05] <mdke> :)
[11:05] <jdub> so much bong
[11:11] <Keybuk> I thought you liked the bong?
[11:11] <lsuactiafner> omg this is funny  CTCP PING reply from lsuactiafner: 793.311 seconds
[11:52] <tseng> mjg59: it stomps on ipw2200 also
[11:52] <mjg59> It's your fucking birthday
[11:52] <mjg59> tseng: Should only happen in 2.6.12
[11:53] <tseng> but, i think that one explodes by itself
[11:53] <tseng> yeah probably a less annoying bug here
[11:53] <tseng> it occassionally just gives up the ghost or jumps in and out
[11:54] <mjg59> Oh man now X is broken
[11:57] <mjg59> So, what's the story with making X work today?
[12:00] <jdub> mjg59: what kind of b0rk do you have?
[12:00] <jdub> current X seems fine
[12:00] <mjg59> No fonts
[12:01] <mjg59> Ah, missing symlink from /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc


[15:32] <sil2100> Hello everyone!
[15:33] <sil2100> I seem to have a strange problem with launchpadlib
[15:33] <sil2100> Not sure what could be the reason...
[15:34] <sil2100> My script querries two archives constantly, one PPA and one ubuntu archive - everything looks fine up to a point where suddenly when doing getLatestSourcePublication() I get an error in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/launchpadlib/launchpad.py
[15:34] <sil2100> Sorry for the paste:
[15:35] <sil2100> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/launchpadlib/launchpad.py", line 125, in _bad_oauth_token
[15:35] <sil2100>     (content.startswith("Expired token")
[15:35] <sil2100> TypeError: startswith first arg must be bytes or a tuple of bytes, not str
[15:35] <sil2100> I do a lot of getLatestSourcePublication(), getPublishedBinaries() and such
[15:35] <cjwatson> Can you pastebin your entire script?  And are you running it interactively on your normal system, or is it running in cron on a server somewhere?
[15:36] <cjwatson> Oh, and also this is probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1471894
[15:36] <mup> Bug #1471894: _bad_oauth_token crashes on python3 (str vs bytes) <launchpadlib :New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471894>
[15:36] <sil2100> It's running on my machine, let me pastebinit
[15:36] <sil2100> Oh, looks promising
[15:37] <cjwatson> Either drop back to Python 2 or apply the patch in the MP attached to that bug
[15:37] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks!
[15:37] <sil2100> Let me try that
[15:38] <sil2100> cjwatson: could we get that SRUed to earlier releases?
[15:38] <sil2100> Or maybe it did, maybe it's just not in vivid
[15:40] <cjwatson> It hasn't been released upstream yet ...
[15:41] <cjwatson> I can at least attempt to sort *that* bit out
[15:43] <sil2100> Anyway, thanks a lot, I didn't know if it was something broken on my script or elsewhere, as I never had this error before
[15:43] <sil2100> Even though I'm always using python3
[15:44] <sil2100> cjwatson: ok, now I can see the real error... so when trying to do this:
[15:45] <sil2100> b = archive.getPublishedBinaries(binary_name='ca-certificates', version='20141019ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>', exact_match=True)
[15:45] <sil2100> b[0].build.getLatestSourcePublication()
[15:45] <sil2100> I get a 401 - unauthorized
[15:45] <sil2100> I just want to get the source package of a published binary - how can I be unauthorized?
[15:49] <cjwatson> sil2100: so, that's a bit awkward - the build was actually off in the security PPA, and you're unauthorized because you can't see the source package publishing history *there*
[15:50] <cjwatson> sil2100: can you file a bug about this?  there are a couple of different plausible solutions and I want to consult with wgrant when he reappears
[15:51] <sil2100> cjwatson: sure, will do, in the meantime I'll probably just skip this package once that happens, not much I can do right now ;)
[15:54] <cjwatson> Yeah, I can't think of an easy satisfactory workaround there
[15:57] <sil2100> Anyway, thanks for clearing this up


[08:16] <DJones> Morning all
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:27] <DJones> There's life in the channel :)
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> Life? Don't talk to be about life... ;)
[08:55] <andylockran> happy christmas day 4 :D
[09:29] <DJones> NIce story, shows what you can do when you put your mind to it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16306742
[09:39] <gordboy> i wonder if his app is open source, but cutting the wheat from the chaff could be good for a lot of sites
[09:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> gordboy: adblock :)
[10:07] <gordboy> MartijnVdS: yeah for sure. altho i think you know i mean original content
[10:16] <gordonjcp> does 12.04 still use Thunderbird for the mail client?
[10:17] <czajkowski> hope so
[10:17]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders out-loud if AlanBell is around today...
[10:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hope everyone had a great Christmas? I did.
[10:17] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah pretty good
[10:17] <gordonjcp> czajkowski: is there a way to make it less broken?
[10:18] <gordonjcp> actually reading mail without it scattering it across two dozen tabs would be a good start
[10:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> gordonjcp: Probably join #ubuntu-mozillateam and talk to the peeps in there like chriscoulson
[10:19] <czajkowski> gordonjcp: it's not broken at all
[10:19] <czajkowski> gordonjcp: perhaps wait till the 3rd
[10:19] <czajkowski> most are on holidays
[10:19] <czajkowski> :)
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> gordonjcp: Go to Preferences, Advanced, Reading & Display and click the box you prefer under "Open messages in:" perhaps?
[10:24] <swat_> hi all
[10:35] <daubers> morning
[10:38] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: meh, there's more to it than that
[10:38] <gordonjcp> it's just too confusing
[10:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> what is gordonjcp?
[10:39] <gordonjcp> thunderbird
[10:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - I feel the same way about Evo ;-)
[10:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> But been using TB since v2 I think.
[10:40] <gordonjcp> TB2 was great
[10:41] <gordonjcp> evolution is just as bad
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> gmail \o/
[11:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:18] <AlanBell> hi TheOpenSourcerer
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah ha - morning AlanBell
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have a good Christmas?
[11:24] <AlanBell> it was indeed surprisingly tolerable
[11:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[11:29] <popey> Morning slackers
[11:29]  * popey considers lunch
[11:35] <popey> \o/ meatballs
[13:29] <ujjain> "Thou has awoken me" < is this correct English?
[13:30] <AlanBell> it is rather old English
[13:31] <AlanBell> and you might say "thou hast awoken me"
[13:31] <ujjain> right, good, that is the point.
[13:31] <ujjain> ah, thanks :0
[13:31] <AlanBell> or in a more modern way, "shut up, I am trying to sleep!"
[13:31] <ujjain> XD
[13:45] <penguin42> or just Uggghh?!
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> Aren't those shoes?
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> or boots
[13:48] <penguin42> maybe, but it's also approximately the sound I make when awoken
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> You sound like boots when you wake up... Hmm..
[13:49]  * penguin42 finds it better just to stay in bed
[13:50]  * MartijnVdS doesn't really have problems getting out of bed.
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> Too bad work doesn't like me having a post-lunch nap ;)
[14:30] <ujjain> AlanBell: Thanks, I used 'Thou hast' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUG-0UoF774. Just some issues with the synchronisation.
[14:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> DevNullSmtp is a very handy tool to have for testing stuff. Just saying.
[15:00] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: what would it be used for?
[15:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> catching smtp traffic
[15:00] <andylockran> Ok
[15:00] <andylockran> piping it to logs?
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a smtp server emulator.
[15:01] <AlanBell> yeah, it is great
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you want to run a cron job that might spam hundreds of users - and you want to test that the emails are getting sent. Send to this
[15:25] <ali1234> what makes directories called /tmp/rcszUKaC5 etc?
[15:25] <ali1234> they all start with rcs
[15:25] <ali1234> then random letters
[15:25] <ali1234> and owned by apache
[15:25] <AlanBell> I don't have any if that helps
[15:25] <ali1234> this is fedora
[15:26] <ali1234> webserver
[15:26] <mgdm> ali1234: PHP sessions?
[15:26] <ali1234> PHP sessions is quite likely
[15:26] <ali1234> now, why doesn't it clean them up?
[15:27] <gordboy> isn't it rcs ci co stuff ?
[15:27] <ali1234> maybe?
[15:27] <ali1234> they are all empty afaict
[15:27] <ali1234> but there's like 20000 of them
[15:28] <gordboy> ali1234: who owns them ?
[15:28] <ali1234> apache
[15:28] <gordboy> dunno then
[15:29] <ali1234> php sessions are supposed to be session_*
[15:29] <mgdm> ali1234: actually, your sessions are more likely to be in /var/lib/php5 - those might be Apache scoreboard files
[15:30] <mgdm> or some such
[15:30] <ali1234> yes
[15:30] <gordboy> ali1234: what about fuser -v or lsof on them to get processes
[15:30] <ali1234> lsof is "command not found" - silly fedora
[15:31] <mgdm> it might be in /sbin or /usr/sbin, which is not normally in your PATH
[15:31] <ali1234> actually i think this is centos
[15:31] <mgdm> silly Fedora/CentOS etc
[15:32] <ali1234> ah, so it is
[15:32] <ali1234> nothing has any of those files open :(
[15:32] <ali1234> (directories)
[15:33] <gordboy> got ctimes/mtimes for them ? stat
[15:33] <ali1234> they are spread out over the past 3 months
[15:33] <ali1234> so probably since last reboot
[15:33] <ali1234> hmm no, they go back further than that
[15:38] <gordboy> well unless you run out of inodes, if they are empty and unused, they should be harmless
[15:39] <gordboy> next time you reboot, go into single user mode and zap them ...
[15:51] <andylockran> hey guys - anyone else running a samba server on lucid.  Seeing a memory leak in committed memory, and not sure how to diagnose/report
[15:52] <andylockran> http://imagebin.org/190685
[15:52] <andylockran> the end of the red block is where I restarted samba
[15:53] <andylockran> http://imagebin.org/190687
[15:54] <ali1234> try to figure out what causes the leak
[15:54] <ali1234> how long was it running for?
[15:54] <ali1234> you'll need to run samba in valgrind and then do whatever it is that causes the leak a lot
[15:54] <ali1234> but valgrind makes everything really really slow
[15:55] <ali1234> so it is very helpful if you have some idea what causes it and how quickly it happens
[15:59] <andylockran> ali1234: tends to be over a few months :)
[16:00] <gordboy> it does look a bit nasty, admittedly. lots of swap
[16:01] <gordboy> you might want to update your packages, cos long uptime means long bug fix latency
[16:08] <andylockran> the system packages are all up to date, albeit no kernel update for ~100 days
[16:08] <andylockran> apt-get update; aptitude full-upgrade
[16:11] <gordboy> regular 2.6.32 kernel ? there have been many updates over the life of lucid. 2.6.32-37 just now. maybe have a look at the changelogs on the ubuntu packages site
[16:15] <andylockran> 2.6.32-32-server at the moment
[16:15] <andylockran> I'm aware we're circa .36 now
[16:36] <Flashtek> life ?
[16:50] <penguin42> where?
[16:56] <Flashtek> -------->
[17:19] <penguin42> It must be easter; Tesco have creme eggs out
[17:21] <zleap> already.  typical eh
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[17:24] <zleap> at this rate by the time easter is over they will be getting ready for christmas by May
[18:07] <daubers> Evening
[18:08] <zleap> hi
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> ]o
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> \o too
[18:47] <brobostigon> o/
[18:50]  * MartijnVdS listens to the radio
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Last week of the year - Top 2000 best songs (as voted by listeners)
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> http://top2011.radio2.nl/lijst/
[18:54] <penguin42> weird list; 1st Beatles one is awy down
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Welcome to the Netherlands ;)
[18:54] <mgdm> FFS, The Beatles weren't the be-all and end-all :-)
[18:55] <mgdm> lots of good/better stuff has been done before and since
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> They had too many songs, so people don't know which one to choose, so they're in the list lots of times, but not the highest :)
[18:55] <mgdm> I don't get the fixation on them; particularly not the way Apple announced that their back catalogue was on iTunes
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: Marketing genius
[18:56] <AlanBell> mgdm: that was interesting because of the apple trademark apart from anything else
[18:56] <zleap> penguin42, interesting out of the beatles traks that quite a few of those were george harrison songs
[18:56] <mgdm> AlanBell: well, yes
[18:56] <AlanBell> although, that said, a lot of people interested in that news probably were not interested in the tradmark history
[18:56] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: "The day you'll remember for the rest of your life", or whatever the phrasing was - 'meh'
[18:56] <shauno> I think a lot of that noise was basically a victory dance after them holding out for so long
[19:07] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: If your not busy, I got a very interesting reply from my host about the loss issues, was wondering if you could help me understand it a bit better :p
[19:33] <popey> We went to new york some years back, we were standing in a queue, and when someone nearby heard we were english the first thing she said was 'oh, we love the beatles'
[19:33] <popey> *sigh*
[19:34] <mgdm> :(
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> every American (and lots of Brits) seem to assume that in the Netherlands everyone smokes pot 24/7
[19:35] <mgdm> when it's only 23/7?
[19:35] <mgdm> :P
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: 8-)
[19:35] <DJones> Hang on, how can you compare the american idea of an "English" accent with the Beatles scouse accents :)
[19:40] <penguin42> DJones: Americans know all the English accents; from the baddies in the films
[19:41] <Azelphur> popey: amazingly for someone that plays online with loads of people I don't get too much attention for the heavy british accent I have, haha
[19:41] <Azelphur> popey: I did once have a group of about 5 south african women swooning over it once, demanding I kept talking so they could hear my accent, haha
[19:42] <DJones> penguin42: My point exactly, I don't think I've ever heard anybody speak like a "Brit" does in an a US made film
[19:43] <penguin42> DJones: Yeh; although I was on a train going through Huyton outside Liverpool the other week, and it was easily the deapest accent I can remember hearing; and I live in North Manc and hear lots of Bury/Lancashire accents
[19:58] <DJones> penguin42: I find Bolton/Rochdale accents are very strong
[19:59] <DJones> Whereabouts in North M/cr are you, I'm not that far away in Runcorn
[20:03] <penguin42> DJones: Somewhere between Bury and Manc
[20:03] <DJones> penguin42: Right
[20:04] <DJones> We've (work anyway) have an office around there - Prestwich
[20:05] <penguin42> where?
[20:06] <DJones> Sorry, was getting confused then, the office I was thinking of is in Prestbury, not Prestwich
[20:07] <DJones> Thats what happens after one day in work, my memory goes
[20:07] <penguin42> haha
[21:48] <daubers> Evening
[21:48] <zleap> evening
[21:49] <daubers> hopefully tomorrow I'll have an mqtt based bloggy post to post :D
[21:49] <daubers> if I can get quickly to play ball anyway
[21:52] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: I can give it a go, if it's not too late
[21:52] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/December%202011/minecraft.html
[21:52] <Azelphur> I'm pretty much considering up and ditching now, it seems quite bad that they are suspending people over such tiny attacks
[21:59] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: is this for your hosting?
[21:59] <Azelphur> yes
[21:59] <gordonjcp> tbh I don't know enough about the issue
[21:59] <gordonjcp> if they're getting packeted to hell and back then I can see that it would upset their fabric
[22:00] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: look at the graph, they suspended a server over a 100mbit/sec (peak) attack
[22:01] <gordonjcp> well, if they hadn't then would the server owner have ended up with excess bandwidth charges?
[22:02] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: perhaps, but I doubt it, the default/lowest plan is 10TB/mo
[22:02] <Azelphur> plus, can't the attack just be blocked upstream, before it hits the server?
[22:03] <gordonjcp> not easily
[22:03] <Azelphur> true not easily, I mean I could understand taking it down, implementing a block for the attack and bringing it back up again
[22:04] <Azelphur> but from what they are saying (And what I've confirmed in future mails) they just seem to suspend people over it
[22:04] <Azelphur> and that 100mbit attack disrupted everything connected to the switch, so someone else got attacked, my server suffered
[22:06] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: I don't work for a hosting company, but you could probably find other people who do
[22:06] <gordonjcp> and if you're not happy with your current host, then go somewhere else
[22:06] <gordonjcp> I like Bitfolk, as do many others in here
[22:06] <gordonjcp> Bytemark too
[22:07] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: thought you did, what's the thing in your signature? just a host you use? :)
[22:07] <Azelphur> I have to be in (or around) NYC really
[22:10] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: signature?
[22:10] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: your forum signature on webhostingtalk
[22:10] <gordonjcp> o_O
[22:10] <gordonjcp> link?
[22:11] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=7872324#post7872324
[22:11]  * gordonjcp does not recall ever posting there
[22:11] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: haha, Is it just someone with an extremely similar name?
[22:11] <Azelphur> 4th post
[22:11] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: o_O
[22:12] <gordonjcp> must be
[22:12] <mgdm> that's a gordonrp, not a gordonjcp
[22:12] <Azelphur> haha, that's a fun coincidence
[22:12] <mgdm> and he's in the US :-)
[22:12] <Azelphur> yea, I just noticed the difference, didn't notice it first time
[22:12] <Azelphur> fun
[22:12] <gordonjcp> right, sod it, hot shower, large whisky and lots of moisturiser
[22:52] <zleap> http://oilrush-game.com/  << looks cool
[22:53] <Azelphur> zleap: indeed
[23:04] <zleap> nice they also release a linux version


[12:22] <mhall119> james_w: approved your unsubscribe branch
[12:39] <james_w> thanks
[13:50] <james_w> is there something we need to do to fix things for users that get logged in as <lp-id>2
[14:20] <mhall119> james_w: that change is already in trunk, waiting for deployment
[14:21] <james_w> ah, ok
[14:21] <james_w> cool
[14:21] <mhall119> we'll need to run manage.py update_openids after the deployment
[14:22] <mhall119> do we have a staging environment for summit yet?
[14:26] <james_w> not yet
[14:26] <james_w> just the ec2 instance you were running
[14:27] <mhall119> ok


[00:00] <broder> i thought the jam was usually in berkeley somewhere and the release party was at thirsty bear
[00:02] <greg-g> yeah, I assume for the jams you actually get some stuff done, thus, thirsty bear isn't the primary place, but the fun after party
[00:03] <broder> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyGlobalJam
[00:03] <greg-g> huh, you had it at a restuarant
[00:03] <MarkDude> Oh yes, jams are for workin'
[00:03] <greg-g> Michigan did ours at a co-working type place we could take over
[00:04] <MarkDude> Release party is about beer
[00:04] <greg-g> (not really a co-working place, but a company that has that kind of a feel)
[00:09] <pleia2> greg-g: we've done several at berkeleylug, which meets at a pizzeria with wifi
[00:09] <pleia2> the noisebridge hackerspace is also an option (we did the lucid installfest there)
[00:10] <pleia2> I'm sure someone better connected could get us into one of the 54545435 startups in SOMA on a weekend, but that's not me :)
[00:12] <broder> hmm...you make a compelling point
[00:12] <broder> i can ask around
[00:13] <greg-g> maybe WMF?
[00:13] <greg-g> I can ask them
[00:13] <greg-g> (they're ubuntu server users)
[00:15] <bkerensa> Monkeybrains
[00:15] <bkerensa> http://monkeybrains.net/
[00:15] <bkerensa> they have a nice space and might host you guys if you asked idk though
[00:15] <bkerensa> Rudy is their chief monkey
[00:16] <greg-g> bkerensa: can you make an introduction?
[00:16] <bkerensa> I could e-mail Rudy and ask sure :) Its been years since I have seen him but he is a cool guy and they have a big space
[00:17] <greg-g> cool
[00:18] <bkerensa> greg-g: I have dispatched a e-mail to the Monkeys :)
[00:18] <pleia2> WMF would be awesome too, they have a nice space (I went to a CiviCRM meetup there one)
[00:19] <bkerensa> they support a lot of local stuff.... In fact they provide connectivity for the EFF
[00:19] <bkerensa> :)
[00:19] <pleia2> plus they're like 600ft from me
[00:19] <jledbetter> WMF would be. Not sure of convenience to a train but they are wicked awesome.
[00:19] <greg-g> pleia2: yeah, thought that would please you :)
[00:19] <pleia2> jledbetter: it's on the same block as the roastery (for tonight!)
[00:19] <greg-g> jledbetter: WMF is close to BART
[00:19] <bkerensa> WMF?
[00:19] <bkerensa> :D
[00:19] <pleia2> bkerensa: wikimedia
[00:19] <greg-g> Wikimedia Foundation
[00:20] <bkerensa> oh I had no idea they had a office in downtown sf :)
[00:20] <pleia2> yeah, on new montgomery st
[00:20] <bkerensa> makes sense :)
[00:21] <greg-g> bkerensa: I'm trying to get MonkeyBrains as my house's ISP, we're a hop out of sight (we need a bridge at some point, so I need to find another interested house between us and an active node)
[00:22] <bkerensa> heh
[00:22] <jledbetter> pleia2: Feeling blah so not sure if I'm making tonight. But good to know :)
[00:22] <pleia2> jledbetter: ok, next time! :)
[00:22] <jledbetter> Is there usually just one jam for the area?
[00:22] <bkerensa> I remember when Monkeybrains opened as a ISP in SF.... I thought Rudy and Co were crazy for walking away from their Dot Com jobs
[00:22] <bkerensa> :D
[00:22] <pleia2> jledbetter: sometimes jono will host one in the east bay, Walnut Creek
[00:23] <jledbetter> pleia2: Ah, gotcha.
[00:23] <kdub__> move out of ann arbor, eh greg-g ?
[00:23] <pleia2> but he does it on Fridays :(
[00:23] <pleia2> (it's work for him, so makes sense)
[00:23] <bkerensa> Rudy wants to do Microtrenching in SF so he can laydown Fiber all across the city but I think the City is denying him
[00:23] <greg-g> kdub__: heya!
[00:23] <greg-g> yep, I'm in Bernal
[00:24] <greg-g> kdub__: where are you?
[00:24] <kdub__> san diego
[00:24] <bkerensa> greg-g: Bernal heights is fun
[00:24] <bkerensa> :D
[00:24] <greg-g> kdub__: oh huh, what are you doing there?
[00:24] <kdub__> just working, avoiding winter
[00:24] <pleia2> avoiding_winter++
[00:25] <kdub__> android work right now
[00:26] <greg-g> kdub__: :)
[00:26] <greg-g> cool, anything public?
[00:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: Oh you guys have winter? :P
[00:27] <bkerensa> Its 42 outside right now and thats warm :(
[00:27] <kdub__> greg-g: unfortunately no, moving towards changing that though
[00:28] <greg-g> kdub__: awesome :)
[00:28] <pleia2> bkerensa: no winter here (winter in philly)
[00:29] <pleia2> it's 62F and sunny beautiful here today
[00:29] <pleia2> 33F and snowing in philly right now
[00:31] <pleia2> aww, next week is my 2 year anniversary in california :)
[00:32]  * bkerensa mumbles about the sunny weather in california
[00:32] <MarkDude> i like penguins
[00:32] <pleia2> bkerensa: https://plus.google.com/u/1/116904638361799818523/posts/HFhwTVbW9xK
[00:33] <pleia2> just in case you wanted to mumble summore :)
[00:34] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:34] <bkerensa> MarkDude: You are a penguin
[00:34] <jledbetter> rabble rabble rabble
[00:42] <philipballew> SD ubuntu hour and invite sent out.
[00:43] <pleia2> \o/
[00:43] <bkerensa> heh apparently google is going to start offering to pay $5 to buy your browsing data
[00:43] <bkerensa> :D
[00:43] <bkerensa> http://www.google.com/landing/screenwisepanel/
[00:44] <philipballew> pleia2, good luck tonight. I will be there next month though.
[00:44] <pleia2> thanks :)
[00:45] <philipballew> I know its hard to get them set up and you hope you can have them work out. So luck is always needed
[00:46] <pleia2> doing them with debian dinners always helps with attendance
[00:52] <philipballew> Thats a plus. the debian users in so cal are pretty boring and never do anything
[00:52] <pleia2> you have to lure them out with chinese food
[00:53] <pleia2> they are naturally shy creatures, and easily spooked
[00:55] <bkerensa> greg-g: The Monkeys have responded - "We've moved out of the SOMA space for now and are in a much smaller office. . We might be able to fit a couple people between boxes though... Honestly, we've got a 600sqft office these days. However, we may be moving here in the next few months to something much larger again. If we do, we probably could do this for you guys.
[00:55] <bkerensa> "
[02:09] <pleia2> hehe, there are two recruiters here
[02:10] <akk> That's cool, recruiters clueful enough to go to a meeting like that.
[02:10] <akk> Also that recruiters are interested in ubuntu/debian people.
[02:10] <pleia2> yeah :)
[05:19] <broder> ah, that's what they were - i didn't actually catch it
[07:00]  * MarkDude may not have been paying attention, but, when was the bots name changed from Eureka?
[19:28] <nhaines> Well, ubucon.org is renewed for another year.
[19:57] <MarkDude> nhaines, you do great work for Ubuntu and FOSS in general.
[19:57]  * MarkDude wanted to thank you for your awesome efforts
[19:57] <MarkDude> :)
[19:59] <nhaines> MarkDude: thanks.
[20:10] <nhaines> Does anyone have any idea how a Lenovo Ideapad G570 runs with Ubuntu?
[21:15] <nhaines> There's an SSID here called "pretty fly for a wifi" which always makes me smirk.


[02:00] <micahg> OvenWerk1: FYI, one change per commit makes for much easier reviewing
[02:06] <micahg> OvenWerk1: does anything in -menu still need xdg-utils?
[04:16] <Mish> um Len?
[04:16] <Mish> I mean OvenWerk1
[04:16] <Mish> I have a little problem here
[04:17] <Mish> I need a little help with the menus
[05:48] <Mish> OvenWerk1: Sorry for quitting but I had to log out of my session for applying the changes. I have solved the problem by editing the xfce-applications.menu file
[05:50] <Mish> Had to search a bit, but I learned something new today :)
[07:11] <Noskcaj> Just so you guys are aware of it, Testdrive doesn't support studio anymore due to issue with the install size
[07:19] <Noskcaj> If someone is willing to help fix this (on the testdrive end), let me know and i'll help you get started
[07:45] <astraljava> Noskcaj: There's a size check? O.o
[07:54] <smartboyhw> astraljava, Noskcaj what size check!?!?!?
[08:02] <astraljava> smartboyhw: It was a question from my part, I am not sure there is, but if install size indeed is a deciding factor, then sounds like something is keeping track of it.
[08:03] <astraljava> Noskcaj: I have a (mostly) free weekend, if I manage to finish my work project quickly, I could have a look at the code.
[08:20] <smartboyhw> astraljava, is it?
[08:20] <smartboyhw> We are a DVD install already
[08:21] <smartboyhw> I don't think disk size is the deciding factor for us at least
[08:21] <smartboyhw> Well, if you want all that software, disk space must be comprimized
[08:21] <smartboyhw> We aren't Lubuntu (who strangely aims for CD-sized ISOs)
[08:22] <cub> I like smaller iso's but sure, fitting all the applications might be difficult
[08:28] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, astraljava, cub: Testdrive doesn't make a big enough virtual disk to install studio to, the "other size button is broken too. so edubuntu and studio won't install
[08:29] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, If you get the virtual disk changes done i assume it would be simple to copy them across to get RAM allocation fixed too
[08:38] <astraljava> smartboyhw: I don't think the conversation was ever about the ISO size, but the install size.
[08:38] <astraljava> Nobody's interested in making ISO size smaller, that was deemed futile long ago. :)
[08:49] <smartboyhw> We can't help either with install size
[08:50] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I think we should rather work on making 10GB drives available on Testdrive instead
[08:50] <smartboyhw> or 16GB
[08:52] <astraljava> smartboyhw: That's what he's referring to with virtual disk changes. Should be trivial, but I'm interested more in finding out why the "other size" button doesn't work.
[09:08] <smartboyhw> astraljava, me too
[09:09] <smartboyhw> I do wonder how many people use Testdrive to test Studio:P
[09:21] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw,  i would, if i could
[09:22] <Noskcaj> neither of the "other" dialogue boxes worked, so they were disabled. this was ~2 years ago.
[09:22] <Noskcaj> i vote for a 16GB and maybe a 32 and 64
[09:39] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, probably NOT 64GB.
[09:39] <smartboyhw> 16 and 32 should be OK
[10:12] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, just a suggestion
[10:13] <cub> Mish, did you do the icons in Inkscape?
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, 16 and 32
[10:13] <Mish> cub: Yes I do
[10:13] <smartboyhw> I don't think 64 is needed when you are just testing an ISO
[10:14] <Mish> cub: Do you need them?
[10:14] <cub> Mish, do you have any good links or pointers on Inkscape? I would like to get myself up to speed on how to use Inkscape during my vacation
[10:14] <Mish> the source SVGs I mean
[10:14] <cub> Well, yeah it could be helpful to look at and dabble around to learn
[10:15] <cub> I suppose I could get them from Launchpad?
[10:16] <Mish> I mostly learned Inkscape by myself
[10:16] <Mish> but microugly's guide is really good for starting
[10:16] <Mish> let me find a link
[10:17] <Mish> http://www.microugly.com/inkscape-quickguide/
[10:17] <cub> cool thanks!
[10:18] <Mish> The preview box of the source SVGs contains the finished product but all around it on the drawing board are preliminary designs and temporary assets
[10:18] <Mish> which looks like a mess
[10:24] <cub> :)
[10:24] <Mish> I"ll upload the svgs to my branch in a moment
[10:24] <cub> I have a dream of creating a Solarized theme and icons for my xfce laptops. We'll see if I ever get the time to actually do it.
[10:25] <Mish> Solarized is a big project. But that'd be really cool
[10:25] <cub> yeah, I got hooked after changing my terminal, vim and xchat to solarized
[10:26] <cub> there is one for KDE
[10:32] <Mish> cub: Here's the link  --  https://code.launchpad.net/~mishrashubham2007/+junk/UbuntuStudio
[11:04] <cub> thanks
[11:05] <Mish> NP. The svgs in an src directory
[14:11] <OvenWerk1> micahg: just on my way out... I thought I had done one change per commit, but I may have slipped, sorry. I think I can remove xdg-utils and will. I'll leave a note when I have done so.
[14:28] <micahg> OvenWerk1: I see one big thing here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-menu/revision/58
[14:29] <micahg> OvenWerk1: good job on fixing the warnings though, I didn't know about Link before in .desktop files
[18:17] <madeinkobaia> Hi fellows : )
[18:18] <DarkEra> hey mate
[18:21] <madeinkobaia> Hi DarkEra, what's up ?
[18:22] <DarkEra> not much to be honest, except being busy at home fixing and freshing up the rooms :)
[18:23] <DarkEra> another thing is that my laptop broke/died. I'm on my old netbook at the moment
[18:29] <madeinkobaia> So he died of old age, a natural ending, no worries except in case of data loss.
[18:31] <DarkEra> the problem is that i can't get myself a new machine soon or let the laptop get fixed. That's what bothers me
[18:48] <madeinkobaia> Ops sorry I didn't read well your previous post, its your new one who have died...and you're using the oldest right now. Well thats tricky indeed. By my side I get some old pc on stock too, in case of problem.
[18:50] <DarkEra> the laptop that died  was 5 years old now, so development can't continue for now
[18:53] <madeinkobaia> Yeah, glorious time we live now, we planned obsolescence as leading point, etc. You just have to be lucky :(
[18:55] <madeinkobaia> I know that built by yourself your own pc works better. When you buy an all made one, they are often more problems.
[18:57] <DarkEra> true
[18:59] <madeinkobaia> I always built by my self my pc, and except in case when I shoot them with feet ;p I keep them working. The actual I using for internet have 10 years. And works more or less fine. Well is outdated but, fortunately I run Debian on it, so, what else :)
[19:05] <madeinkobaia> Bbl, see you :)
[21:10] <OvenWerk1> micahg: Ah, I see what you mean, I lumped all the linian fixes together, I should have split them up. I will rememeber next time...


[04:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...I don't suppose I could rely on you to update xfce4-panel-profiles and then I just sponsor?
[10:40] <Unit193> Hrm, not really fond of Greybird in the new xfce4-notifyd bubbles, font is too shaded...


 @kc2bez did you talk about lubuntu already? I've heard like 30minutes from the mint snap post.
 Yes. We started the show with that. We are in the second hour with more general discussion.
 @lynorian this might be helpful with the creation of snap of manual: https://ubuntu.com/blog/fabrica-your-self-hosted-snap-factory
 @kc2bez [Yes. We started the show with that. We are in the second hour with more general …], Looking at it now, I've heard this gimp issue when copy/pasting. Maybe is qlipper?
 I haven't tested it myself. It might be though.
 Worth a test for sure.
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[05:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/631/
 @kc2bez [Worth a test for sure.], On the updated, our does a "apt dist-upgrade", gtk one does only "apt upgrade" that might be the issue
[18:48] <tsimonq2> $ ./copy-package -y --from ubuntu --from-suite groovy --to ppa:lubuntu-ci/ubuntu/custom-prod-packages --to-suite focal lintian
[18:48] <tsimonq2> Copy candidates:
[18:49] <tsimonq2>         lintian 2.80.0 in groovy
[18:49] <tsimonq2> Candidate copy target: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/~lubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/custom-prod-packages
[18:49] <tsimonq2> 1 copy requested.
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[18:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/632/
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[19:15] <tsimonq2> @RikMills: All of the CI hardcodes are now gone.
[19:15] <kc2bez> tsimonq2: In https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-tooling/browse/master/ci/jobgenerator.py$229 should that be server.create_view
[19:15] <kc2bez> ?
[19:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/633/
[19:16] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: How do you mean?
[19:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] merger_libfm-qt FAILURE: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/merger_libfm-qt/542/
[19:16] <kc2bez> nvm
[19:16] <tsimonq2> Okay. :)
[19:16] <kc2bez> I am just not familiar with the jenkins api
 @RikMills [<reply to image>], And, the config files are now more flexible.
[19:17] <tsimonq2> kc2bez: It's all good. There is no documentation. At all.
[19:17] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/pycontribs/jenkinsapi/tree/master/jenkinsapi
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[19:21] <tsimonq2> Nightly started, manually launching node-2.
[19:22] <tsimonq2> We're going to see some transient lag.
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[19:23] <tsimonq2> Ouchhhhhhh.
[19:23] <tsimonq2> Well.
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[19:24] <tsimonq2> Oh, I thought I saw merger jobs failing.
[19:24] <tsimonq2> I'll wait until the transient lag has been lifted.
[19:24] <tsimonq2> That's probably why it's so bad.
[19:25] <kc2bez> looks like the merger job went ok for libfm
[19:25] <tsimonq2> Right, but I'm really confused why it otherwise FUBAR'ed
[19:25] <tsimonq2> I'm getting 504s trying to access it so unless teward feels the need to kick it really really hard, I'll give it a few.
[19:25] <kc2bez> I got a timeout so I am not sure
[19:25] <tsimonq2> Yeah.
[19:26] <tsimonq2> I am seeing a bunch of PPA builds being kicked off so it's not all failures.
[19:26] <teward> 504 is bad mmhmm
[19:26] <teward> @tsimonq2: learn to use tickets ;)
[19:26] <teward> I’ll look
[19:27] <teward> Lemme get coffeeplz
[19:27] <tsimonq2> teward: I don't have the time to go through that learning curve because IRC/Telegram/Email pings seem to be equally effective. :P
 heh
 *hard-reboots the VM*
[19:29] <tsimonq2> We're going to see backports jobs failing all over the place since it's going through the initial bootstrap.
[19:29] <tsimonq2> I know I
[19:30] <tsimonq2> 've been using the word a lot, but consider them fairly transient.
[19:33] <tsimonq2> @teward001: I didn't know it takes 5 mins to reboot a VM lol.
[19:33]  * tsimonq2 fires shots at teward for Reasons
[19:34] <tsimonq2> Also, I want my $10.
[19:34] <tsimonq2> :P
[19:34] <tsimonq2> I won that bet fair and square.
 well
 jenkins didn't start
 so i powered it off
 and then powered it on 'cold'
 and now it's coming up
 when a reboot doesn't fix it you have to hard fix it
[19:40] <kc2bez> Just get a bigger hammer.
[19:41] <tsimonq2> Looks fun.
[19:44] <tsimonq2>   https://github.com/lxqt/qps/releases/download/2.1.0/qps-2.1.0.tar.xz failed: 429 too many requests
[19:44] <tsimonq2> Well, that's a new one.
[19:44] <kc2bez> oops
 lol
 you made too many requests to Github from CI, Simon
 bad simon
[19:45] <tsimonq2> Yeah, that's cool.
[19:45]  * tsimonq2 yawns and does something productive
[19:47] <tsimonq2> I added Backports to Jenkins.
[19:48] <tsimonq2> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/Building-from-source#generalbuild-order is the build order if anyone wants to manually prod.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> In a few I'll be AFK for the night.
[19:51] <kc2bez> Thanks for poking that along.
[19:51] <tsimonq2> Of course.
[19:54] <tsimonq2> One thing I'd like opinions on generally: what should we do about version numbers and testing Backports before they're uploaded to the PPA?
[19:55] <tsimonq2> I believe Kubuntu typically has CI builds separate from Backports/Backports Staging
[19:55] <tsimonq2> I'm not against doing that, but we'd have to make it clear that CI builds will always supersede Backports + Backports Staging builds.
[19:58] <tsimonq2> https://notes.lubuntu.me/RY1AE0UYTRWkTkrfT5w4yg# <-- starting an announcement for testing.
[20:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] focal_stable_lxqt-openssh-askpass just succeeded after failing: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/focal_stable_lxqt-openssh-askpass/298/
[20:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T167: Backport 0.15 to 20.04 LTS via Backports PPA] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T167
[20:21] <tsimonq2> @lynorian: Hey, could you please add info on adding PPAs to the manual? And perhaps something about Backports. https://notes.lubuntu.me/RY1AE0UYTRWkTkrfT5w4yg# has the draft announcement with more info.
[20:24] <tsimonq2> HAHAHAHA, nice. No notifications if a job has never passed.
[20:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIMETADATAfa9f24661c0f: Add the Qt 6 job. Completely WIP.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATAfa9f24661c0f
[20:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIMETADATAcbaa9026ae20: Enable the Qt 6 job.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATAcbaa9026ae20
[20:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Lubuntu CI] jobgenerator ABORTED: https://ci.lubuntu.me/job/jobgenerator/634/
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[20:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIMETADATAb20110ff6b37: Make it unstable.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATAb20110ff6b37
 heh i like that message - "Make it unstable" xD
[20:40] <tsimonq2> hahahahaha
[20:40] <tsimonq2> Nah, I'll play with Qt 6 builds later.
[20:40] <tsimonq2> My end goal is to get us some Qt 6 packaging and then build LXQt using it.
[20:40] <tsimonq2> So we can have it ported and ready to go for the first Qt 6 release.
 makes sense
[20:43] <tsimonq2> I know it's a hell of a mission, fwiw.
[20:43] <tsimonq2> It's going to be far from easy,
 remind me, 20.04 came out with LXQt right?
[21:47] <kc2bez> @teward001 yes
 that's what i thougth
 there's a *chance* when I switch to 20.04 I switch to Lubuntu with LXQt
 because it's pretty :)