[04:11] <Ditiris> Can anyone tell me a little bit about the best way to do DMA transfers in Linux?  I have a couple of general questions for a project.  I'm just looking for a push in the right direction.
[04:12] <ion_> dd if=foo of=bar
[04:12] <ion_> Please read the topic.
[04:12] <Ditiris> sorry ; ;
[04:39] <OpenSorce> LaserJock, you awake my friend?
[04:39] <LaserJock> OpenSorce: barely :-)
[04:39] <OpenSorce> LaserJock, hehe.....just wanted to let you know that a certain afore mentioned article will not be published
[04:40] <LaserJock> OpenSorce: ok, thanks for letting us know
[04:41] <OpenSorce> also I'll be personally gathering data on the wifi hardware of the 6 machines we discussed and filing bug reports personally for each
[04:41] <LaserJock> thank you very much for the effort
[04:41] <LaserJock> it's a very odd problem
[04:41] <LaserJock> many thousands of people have installed or upgraded to Ubuntu 7.10 without problems like that
[04:42] <LaserJock> but if there *is* something we can do then we will surely look into it
[04:42] <LaserJock> and you suggestion of looking at what Mandriva was doing to solve or get around the problem is a good one
[04:42] <OpenSorce> Our IT guy believes that it's an issue that can be resolved with ndiswrapper.....I'm going to test that theory....and I have a feeling that most of the machines (office desktops) are using Broadcom chipsets
[04:43] <LaserJock> that could very well be
[04:44] <OpenSorce> anyway....just wanted to let you guys know :-)
[04:44] <LaserJock> thanks for the update
[04:45] <OpenSorce> with the whole "new user" aspect out of the way.....let me tell you that Ubuntu is awsome.....you guys have done great work
[04:48] <LaserJock> the devs appreciate that
[04:48] <LaserJock> it can be quite stressful at times
[04:49] <LaserJock> we try to be as much of a "new user" distro as we can, but there are lots of practical/philosophical limitations
[04:49] <OpenSorce> I can only imagine.....I'm going to try rebuilding my own distro on Ubuntu instead of what I am using now and see how that works out
[04:50] <OpenSorce> well.....I for one don't believe it's fair to compare free distros to non-free ones
[04:50] <LaserJock> well, yes and no
[04:50] <LaserJock> I think it's ok
[04:50] <LaserJock> as long as you can document things well
[04:51] <OpenSorce> on my own box I have slackware and without a single scrap of non-free code on it.....I even do without full gfx support because Nvidia doesn't make free drivers
[04:51] <LaserJock> giving new users information they can use sometimes is much better than hiding the "nasty details"
[04:51] <LaserJock> for instance, with your review I think it's legitamite to talk about wifi problems
[04:52] <LaserJock> but I think it must be done with a "some people may find problems with certain wifi cards"
[04:52] <LaserJock> rather than "don't us Kubuntu if you have wifi"
[04:52] <LaserJock> *use
[04:52] <OpenSorce> well, the way it's been redone, we'll review distros that pass the basics but not the ones that don't....
[04:53] <LaserJock> and I think educating people on the "why" of why Ubuntu doesn't play mp3s by default, etc. can be helpful for new users
[04:53] <OpenSorce> We won't even mention them as far as new users go......and another journalist will be heading up the "not so newb" reviews in which case I am sure the *buntu flavors will do well
[04:54] <LaserJock> it's not always about shielding people, but about giving them enough information for them to be able to decide, without overwhelming them with technical details
[04:54] <LaserJock> well, I hope Ubuntu will make it to the "good for newbs" list soon enough
[04:55] <LaserJock> I really think it's quite good for newbs
[04:55] <LaserJock> we've made a lot of strides
[04:55] <OpenSorce> LaserJock, without a doubt
[04:56] <OpenSorce> LaserJock, I'll be trying every release of Kubuntu that comes out.....and if they ever decide Gnome is ok for new people Ubuntu as well
[04:56] <LaserJock> that's realy strange that Gnome isn't considered
[04:57] <LaserJock> I think there's some really fishy ideas about what is "new user" friendly
[04:57] <jdong> they're picking KDE over GNOME for user friendliness?
[04:57] <OpenSorce> LaserJock, it's based on some tests that were done last year.....new people who were used to Windows chose KDE over Gnome
[04:57] <jdong> well familiarity -- yes
[04:57] <jdong> KDE's configuration is more of a clone of Windows
[04:58] <jdong> nothing says you can't configure GNOME the same way
[04:58] <OpenSorce> jdong, exactly
[04:58] <OpenSorce> jdong, we deal with "out of the box" configurations mostly
[04:59] <LaserJock> but it seems like you've narrowed yourselves quit a bit
[04:59] <LaserJock> many new users will love Gnome as well
[04:59] <jdong> I find most people figure out GNOME pretty quickly
[04:59] <jdong> sure there's a bit of startle at first because menus are at the top and so on
[04:59] <jdong> but after that, IMO Gnome is easier for learning new tasks.
[04:59] <jdong> perpetuation the "Linux is EXACTLY like windows" stereotype in the UI front is a bad idea
[04:59] <jdong> it'll end very soon, and users won't be happy.
[05:00] <jdong> (i.e. try to go install something)
[05:00] <LaserJock> OpenSorce: anyway, I don't want to take youre time more
[05:00] <LaserJock> I gotta get to bed
[05:01] <LaserJock> OpenSorce: thanks for update and for getting the feedback to our bug tracker
[05:01] <OpenSorce> LaserJock, and I don't want to be a "troll" :-)
[05:01] <LaserJock> thanks
[05:01] <OpenSorce> LaserJock, always nice talking o you
[05:01] <LaserJock> likewise
[06:01] <ubuntu-j> I have noticed a package that's out of date, in apt, and I'm a afraid it will get neglected. Is this the proper place to bring that up?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> which package?
[06:02] <ubuntu-j> libtheora
[06:02] <ubuntu-j> The current package in apt is Alpha 07
[06:02] <ubuntu-j> the current actual release
[06:02] <ubuntu-j> is Beta 2
[06:03] <ubuntu-j> I see a launchpad page for the package, but no maintainer.
[06:03] <ubuntu-j> assigned to it.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[06:04] <Hobbsee> it came up way after feature freeze
[06:04] <Hobbsee> !timebasedreleases
[06:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[06:04] <Hobbsee> see ^
[06:04] <ubuntu-j> Right
[06:04] <Hobbsee> and by the time it was there, it was far too late to retest everything with it.
[06:04] <ubuntu-j> Can it be released into apt now that 7.10 is generally available, as an update?
[06:04] <Fujitsu> Very, very unlikely.
[06:05] <Fujitsu> It breaks ABI, doesn't it?
[06:05] <ubuntu-j> Why is that?
[06:05] <RAOF> It *might* go into backports, but probably not.
[06:05] <ubuntu-j> Ok, why not backports?
[06:05] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-j: no.  you didnt read teh link, did you?
[06:05] <Fujitsu> ubuntu-j: Backporting libraries is generally a Bad Idea.
[06:07] <ubuntu-j> Ok
[06:07] <ubuntu-j> I've read both pages
[06:08] <ubuntu-j> So, what you're saying is, because it's a library (and therefore used by many programs) it's a bad idea to release it now, because of an unknowable amount of impact on other programs (known and unknown) that might be affected by it?
[06:08] <persia> ubuntu-j: Exactly.
[06:09] <ubuntu-j> So, suck it up and wait for 8.04 for Theora Beta2 (or whatever the current release at that time)?
[06:09] <RAOF> Pretty much.  Is there anything terribly interesting in beta2 over alpha 7?
[06:09] <persia> ubuntu-j: Well, perhaps "The next release (8.04) will contain a newer version, and all software compiled and tested against that version"
[06:10] <ubuntu-j> Yes, significant performance gains. At least, that's what I've been given to understand. Also a few programs require >alpha-7
[06:10] <ubuntu-j> * correction: >alpha-07.
[06:11] <ubuntu-j> If I build it myself, and it (semi-miraculously) compiles without error, am I asking for trouble compiling it myself?
[06:12] <RAOF> No, not really.
[06:12] <ubuntu-j> ok
[06:12] <RAOF> Unless you install it in system-wide.  Then you may or may not break every program that uses libtheora
[06:13] <ubuntu-j> if I do a... ./configure && make install
[06:13] <ubuntu-j> is that going system wide?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-j: if you compile it yourself, you'll have to recopile everything else that depends on it
[06:13] <Hobbsee> yes.
[06:13] <persia> ubuntu-j: Depends where make install installs it.
[06:13] <ubuntu-j> nuts
[06:13] <Hobbsee> persia: true, but in standard config...
[06:13] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-j: this is why it didnt get upgraded.
[06:14] <ubuntu-j> the "snow-ball effect"
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-j: because, of course, you'd have to test each program that it works with the new vesrion, and fix anything that doesnt :)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> exactly
[06:14] <RAOF> That'll stick it in /usr/local generally.  What you probably want is ./configure --prefix=/home/username/local or something.
[06:14] <ubuntu-j> ok
[06:14] <ion_> I prefer ~/.local, doesn’t clutter the directory listing. :-)
[06:15] <RAOF> ion_: Not a bad idea.
[06:15] <ion_> I have ~/.local/bin in my $PATH, for example.
[06:15] <RAOF> And ~/.local/lib in your ld.conf ?
[06:15] <ubuntu-j> Alright guys. Thanks for the explanation.
[06:15] <ion_> Nope, i haven’t had a need to install libraries to my ~
[06:16] <ubuntu-j> I do have a question about another package though.
[06:16] <ubuntu-j> Has anybody had success porting Novel iFolder to Ubuntu?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> ahhh, now i think popey was looking into that 6 months ago
[06:17] <ubuntu-j> I've tried 10-ways to Sunday to get import (via alien) the .rpm, and compiling brakes the thing.
[06:17] <RAOF> From memory that's got a non-free server, right?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> but, i have no idea how far he got
[06:17] <ubuntu-j> I'ts free
[06:17] <ubuntu-j> now
[06:17] <ubuntu-j> it was at one time non-free
[06:17] <ubuntu-j> this has changed in the past ~6-months
[06:17] <RAOF> ubuntu-j: The whole stack, or just the client?
[06:17] <ubuntu-j> The whole stack
[06:17] <ubuntu-j> There was some framework
[06:17] <ubuntu-j> being non-free
[06:17] <RAOF> Oh, possibly cool.
[06:17] <ubuntu-j> issue
[06:18] <ubuntu-j> Would you like the URI which indicates the license changeover?
[06:18] <RAOF> Not particularly.  I've got a large bunch of other things to do than package something I'm unlikely to use :)
[06:18] <ubuntu-j> ok, well, at least you're honest
[06:19] <RAOF> Someone probably will, or you can yourself ):
[06:19] <ubuntu-j> I've tried
[06:19] <RAOF> If you're interested enough to try packaging it, #ubuntu-motu will help :)
[06:19] <ubuntu-j> I ended up cursing into a paper bag (so to speak)
[06:19] <ubuntu-j> Ok
[06:19] <ubuntu-j> umm...
[06:20] <RAOF> !packagingguide | ubuntu-j
[06:20] <ubotu> ubuntu-j: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[06:20] <ubuntu-j> I don't understand C/C++ much will this be an insurmountable problem?
[06:20] <ubuntu-j> Or, will I end up learning more C than I wanted to know in the process?
[06:20] <RAOF> No, not at all.  You don't need to be able to program at all.
[06:21] <RAOF> You'll learn a bit of makefile syntax, but that's about it.
[06:21] <RAOF> And probably a bit of shell scripting, but no C at all (unless you want to, of course)
[06:21] <ubuntu-j> Alright
[06:22] <ubuntu-j> And when it spits out some arcane error I don't understand... and I RTFM and still don't understand, I hop on the list and they help me?
[06:22] <RAOF> Yup.  Absolutely.
[06:24] <ubuntu-j> Ok, now I created a launchpad account some time ago for this purpose (and to talk to the server guys, because I used to deploy a lot of Samba File Servers / PDC's) but no one has passed a package (specifically iFolder) to me to even try to package. What do I do?
[06:25] <ubuntu-j> Note: I have read the MOTU documentation, it's been a while though.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> file a needs-packaging bug, assign it to yourself.
[06:25] <ubuntu-j> It has a bug (of that type)
[06:26] <ubuntu-j> and some people have tried, but real life has gotten in the way, and they dropped it again.
[06:26] <ubuntu-j> Can I still assign it to myself?
[06:26] <RAOF> Yup
[06:26] <ubuntu-j> Ok
[06:27] <ubuntu-j> well
[06:27] <ubuntu-j> Thanks guys
[06:27] <ubuntu-j> When is feature freeze for 8.04?
[06:28] <persia> ubuntu-j: Early February.
[06:35] <ubuntu-j> ok thanks
[07:07] <mekius> bryce: Hey, we are having issues with the openchrome 2D driver and the unichrome 3D driver.  Seems to cause a kernel panic as the whole machine locks.  Also, there is an experimental version of the openchrome drivers that support some of the newer cards.  I tested the latest copy of the unichrome 3D driver from their git and didn't get a kernel panic.  Any possibility the packages involved could be updated to support more hardware?
[09:26] <pwnguin> pop quiz: what time is it in CST?
[09:31] <gnomefreak> @now cts
[09:32] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: where are you? msg ubotu now wher eyou are at
[09:32] <pwnguin> im in kansas
[09:32] <pwnguin> cst/cdt
[09:33] <gnomefreak> @now kansas
[09:33] <gnomefreak> damn bot
[09:33] <pwnguin> thats not really the point though
[09:34] <pwnguin> something decided to fall back an hour
[09:34] <pwnguin> 5 days ahead of schedule
[09:34] <gnomefreak> http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/timezones.html pwnguin will help you
[09:34] <gnomefreak> pwnguin: this isnt the channel for this either
[09:35] <ompaul> @now dublin
[09:35] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Dublin: October 29 2007, 09:35:07 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day
[09:35] <ompaul> @now texas
[09:35] <pwnguin> @now chicago
[09:35] <ubotu> Current time in America/Chicago: October 29 2007, 04:35:16 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 1 day
[09:35] <ompaul> ahh now there ya go
[09:36] <thom> pwnguin: TZ=America/Chicago date is your friend; but this really isn't the right place unless you think your timezone maps are wrong
[09:40] <pwnguin> /etc/timezone says america/chicago, but gnome and date report CDT
[10:01] <cyberix> Are there any Windows applications being packaged for Ubuntu?
[10:02] <persia> cyberix: That effort is waiting on bug #130032
[10:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130032 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Wine-doors" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130032
[10:08] <cyberix> Well I was actually thinking more in terms of integrating with Ubuntu.
[10:08] <cyberix> i.e. creating deb-packages
[10:09] <cyberix> Wine-doors is for making currently existing Windows packages to work in Ubuntu, right?
[10:10] <persia> cyberix: Do you mean packaging applications that currently are windows only for source-level distribution in Ubuntu?
[10:11] <cyberix> Yes, but of course including non-free stuff for multiverse.
[10:12] <cyberix> Maybe packaging, say game "Progress Quest" for multiverse.
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Attempting to compile them with winelib, or mingw and wine?
[10:12] <cyberix> Attempting to depend on wine and include a launcher in the package.
[10:12] <persia> cyberix: If the source compiles and runs, and is licensed so that it may be distributed, I'd suggest following the standard packaging process.  If you need special hooks (as those mentioned by Fujitsu), I'd wait for wine-doors.
[10:12] <cyberix> "wine progressquest.exe"
[10:13] <cyberix> I was just wondering, if wine work out of the box
[10:13] <Fujitsu> I'm not exactly sure how system-wide Wine apps would work...
[10:13] <Fujitsu> It's not designed to operate like that.
[10:14] <cyberix> Because, if the user doesn't even want to install wine, then I really can't expect her to configure it, right?
[10:14]  * persia thought wine-doors was an attempt to address that
[10:14] <Fujitsu> Easy installation is for Wine-Doors, yep.
[10:15] <cyberix> I don't actually see how it would be better in this case.
[10:15] <cyberix> Except that people who know they are looking for Windows software might try to use it first.
[10:16] <cyberix> I do think Wine-doors makes a lot of sense, but it is completely different from packaging Windows software for Ubuntu.
[10:17] <Fujitsu> How?
[10:17] <Fujitsu> Wine-Doors is packaging Windows applications in a distribution-neutral manner, which is probably a better idea, particularly given the complexity of the infrastructure and lack of a Debian policy on the matter.
[10:18] <cyberix> Yes.
[10:18] <cyberix> But not everything is complex.
[10:19] <Fujitsu> I don't see the purpose of duplication - Wine apps don't interact with the rest of the system, there's no FHS, etc.
[10:19] <cyberix> And Ubuntu users might like the Ubuntu way more than a distribution neutral non-integrated manner.
[10:20] <cyberix> There used to be atleast one Nintendo Entertainment System game packaged for Debian
[10:20] <cyberix> But the packaging was lacking application icon and shell script to run the game by typing its name to a console.
[10:21] <cyberix> The kind of stuff you would normally expect.
[10:21] <cyberix> apt-cache show efp
[10:21] <Fujitsu> !info efp
[10:21] <ubotu> efp: Escape from Pong NES game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4-2 (gutsy), package size 8 kB, installed size 112 kB
[10:22] <cyberix> But then again there are multiple nes emulators.
[10:22] <persia> cyberix: More interestingly, Escape from Pong is free :)
[10:22] <cyberix> But there is only one wine
[10:23] <cyberix> So this won't be a problem for Windows stuff
[10:23] <cyberix> persia: :-)
[10:23] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[10:24] <cyberix> Even binaries include the source code, if you write them by hand. ;-)
[10:26] <ion_> It would be kind of funny to have proper package management for Windows® software with repositories and dependencies and FHS before Windows® has it. :-)
[10:26] <Fujitsu> cyberix: Windows applications have a complex filesystem structure, traditionally kept in ~/.wine... The permissions over various system directories might also be rather restrictive. I'm really not sure how a system-wide Wine prefix would work.
[10:27] <cyberix> Running the startup script would create symlink to users "drive c"?
[10:27] <cyberix> startup script of the specfic application
[10:27] <cyberix> I'm currently talking about a very simple piece of Windows software
[10:28] <cyberix> with only one exe-file and nothing else
[10:28] <cyberix> Doesn't make sense to take giant steps towards a deadly pit. :-)
[11:32] <gaspa> doko: hi. do you know if someone is merging ltrace package? are you working on that?
[11:58] <cyberix> Is there something like MOTU for Multiverse?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> motu does universe adn multiverse
[12:00] <cyberix> ok
[12:00] <cyberix> thanks
[12:08] <mr_pouit> superm1: did you receive my mail about xubuntu or did it get lost?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> (he's at breakfast)
[12:10] <mr_pouit> mmh, ok ^^
[12:58] <pitti> Good morning
[12:59] <Hobbsee> pitti!
[13:00]  * pitti hugs Hobbsee
[13:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[13:00]  * Hobbsee hugs pitti back
[13:01]  * nixternal group hugs everyone awake
[13:01]  * Fujitsu snores.
[13:01] <pitti> nixternal: that would be a lot -- everyone is just assembling in the main room
[13:01] <nixternal> hrmm, stage dive + hug
[13:05] <pitti> StevenK: texlive-bin bumped
[13:11] <Riddell> is there a UDS channel?
[13:11]  * ogra_cmpc was wondering that as well
[13:11]  * soren hugs StevenK for fixing texlive-bin
[13:12] <zul> Riddell: #uds-boston
[13:12] <Riddell> so that's where everyone is hiding
[13:12] <ogra_cmpc> zul: thanks
[13:12] <zul> ogra_cmpc: no probs
[14:05] <slangasek> anyone in platform roundtable can tell me how to get to the gobby resource Arne mentioned?
[14:05] <slangasek> ArneGoetje: ^^?
[14:09] <siretart> gobby.ubuntu.com?
[14:15] <mdomsch> bryce, ping
[14:17] <Keybuk> err, need a Python expert
[14:18] <Keybuk> if I have a UTC datetime, how do I get a local time ?
[14:18] <crimsun_> time.localtime() ?
[14:19] <crimsun_> err, s/time.//
[14:19] <Fujitsu> Keybuk: I think the correct way is to give up, concluding that Python's datetime manipulation is really lacking :(
[14:19] <Keybuk> heh
[14:22] <lifeless> jcastro: Znarl
[14:27] <mdomsch> Keybuk, tz.fromutc()
[14:27] <Keybuk> mdomsch: I can't work out how to actually specify the timezone
[14:28] <lifeless> Keybuk: python ?
[14:29] <slangasek> presumably tz.fromutc() gives you an object with a second method that lets you specify the timezone?
[14:33] <Keybuk> slangasek: but it only accepts a class that nothing appears to implement
[14:34] <lifeless> Keybuk: time.tzname is te current timezone
[14:34] <lifeless> Keybuk: what are you trying to do ?
[14:36] <slangasek> lifeless: munge the datestamps he got exported from LP, I think :)
[14:37] <zul> ?win 14
[14:45] <Keybuk> lifeless: it's blank
[14:46] <Keybuk> and current timezone isn't useful
[14:46] <lifeless> Keybuk: where are you?  Já segui vários posts de helps ubuntu mas chegando à parte de compilar o OpenChrome perco-me completamente e não consigo compilar... Alguém me pode ajudar?
[15:11] <Hobbsee> dib_: and in english?
[15:11] <ompaul> !pt
[15:11] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[15:13] <dib_>
[15:13] <dib_> Someone had to install some drivers to plate via chrome9 HC IGP? It is that I am beginning in ubuntu and I am not able for the board to operate. We follow several posts, helps ubuntu but getting to the part of compiling the OpenChrome miss me completely and not compile ... Someone can help me?
[15:15] <dib_> my english is bad:-)
[16:10] <mr_pouit> superm1: did you receive my mail about xubuntu or did it get lost? (or didn't have the time to respond, or whatever...)
[16:11] <superm1> mr_pouit, my gmail filters got really messed up with me switching to gmail+imap, so its probably in there but it thinks that i read it - but i didn't
[16:11] <superm1> let me hunt through
[16:11] <superm1> mr_pouit, are you here at UDS right now?
[16:13] <mr_pouit> superm1: no :(
[16:13] <superm1> o :(.
[16:14] <mr_pouit> iirc the subject is "Re: Getting started for hardy"
[16:14] <superm1> mr_pouit, oh just found it.  I'll look into xfmedia-remote-plugin and xfce4-sensors-plugin today
[16:16] <mr_pouit> superm1: ok, thanks :) (I have already merged some packages, gpocentek too)
[16:17] <chriss_croozer> hello
[16:18] <superm1> mr_pouit, xfmedia-remote isn't in debian or ubuntu right now, so you were meaning to get it in NEW via universe i'm assuming right?
[16:18] <chriss_croozer> hello?
[16:19] <chriss_croozer> can anybody tell me where i can submit kernel patches for ubuntu kernel
[16:19] <mr_pouit> superm1: yes
[16:20] <superm1> chriss_croozer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the mailing list you can bring them up on, or attach them to a bug typically.  you can find the kernel guys in #ubuntu-kernel as well, but mind you UDS is going on right now
[16:21] <mr_pouit> superm1: there is also this plugin: http://goodies.xfce.org/releases/xfce4-smartpm-plugin/, but I'm not sure about smart package manager (is it used by many people in ubuntu?)
[16:21] <superm1> mr_pouit, okay i'll see what i can do.
[16:22] <superm1> mr_pouit, are there any needs-packaging bugs that are outstanding on these for me to close up during this too that you know of offhand?
[16:22] <chriss_croozer> thanks for info
[16:22] <mr_pouit> last time I checked, no
[16:29] <superm1> mr_pouit, do you guys have an area you like to keep packaging in bzr?
[16:29] <superm1> like a ~xubuntu-devel team against an xubuntu project?
[16:34] <mr_pouit> superm1: until now, no. But we can start using bzr
[16:34] <superm1> mr_pouit, i'll push it to a motu team branch then for now
[16:34] <superm1> since it will live in universe for now
[16:35] <mr_pouit> superm1: I can add you to the xubuntu-team if you prefer
[16:35] <superm1> mr_pouit, yeah i guess that won't hurt
[16:39] <mr_pouit> superm1: this should be ok
[17:41] <superm1> mr_pouit, you here?
[17:41] <superm1> you want to give a quick once over, so i can push it out?
[17:44] <mr_pouit> superm1: yes
[17:45] <mr_pouit> superm1: I looked at the bzr trunk, is it up-to-date?
[17:45] <superm1> mr_pouit, it should be
[17:46] <mr_pouit> superm1: for the debian/rules, we usually use "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/xfce.mk" only ;)
[17:47] <superm1> mr_pouit, oh that probably would have made life easier....
[17:47] <superm1> haha
[18:11] <LaserJock> is there a participation page for UDS?
[18:12] <LaserJock> I can't find any info on VoIP or gobby
[18:12] <LaserJock> doh
[18:12] <mc44> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Boston/Participate
[18:12] <LaserJock> I just guessed
[18:12] <LaserJock> that should really be linked from the main page
[18:30] <so1> hi
[18:31] <so1> i probably found a usability problem in gnome-appearance-properties ...
[18:31] <so1> i just wanted to discuss it before filing it
[18:31] <so1> but the whole #gnome channel is silent ...
[18:31] <so1> so i came here ...
[18:31] <azeem> try #gnome on gimpnet
[18:32] <so1> yes, did that
[18:35] <so1> i just had a hard time to debug a font problem
[18:35] <so1> somebody came to me and complained, that "strong" hinting was more blurry than "light"
[18:35] <so1> after a while i figured out, that the font didn't had bytecode embedded ...
[18:36] <so1> and my question now is:
[18:36] <so1> why is the option "strong" not deactivated, when the font doesn't offer bytecode?
[18:36] <so1> because without bytceode: strong = off
[18:36] <so1> and that is _really_ confusing
[18:36] <Burgundavia> jcastro: ping
[18:43] <jcastro> Burgundavia: yo
[18:44] <Burgundavia> jcastro: where is ryan?
[18:45] <jcastro> Burgundavia: next to me, we're in luscomb
[18:45] <Burgundavia> luscomb?
[18:45] <Burgundavia> rocking, inbound
[18:46] <LaserJock> jcastro: hola
[19:16] <soren> Remind me again why we're using linux-libc-dev when building iptables?
[19:18] <fabbione> soren: kernel headers
[19:18] <fabbione> sync iptables stuff with kernel and luserland
[19:28] <soren_> fabbione: ...but iptables doesn't depend on any particular kernel version, and we don't even require our users to be using an ubuntu supplied kernel..
[19:28] <fabbione> soren_: BZZZZZZT
[19:28] <fabbione> soren_: some iptables features builds only if kernel > version foo
[19:29] <fabbione> that's because feature is simply not available before
[19:29] <fabbione> and you need includes for that
[19:29] <fabbione> soren_: if you are merging iptables.. then i have been there.. done that.. you need that
[19:30]  * fabbione does a Jedi's mind trick to soren_ to convince him
[19:33] <IntuitiveNipple> soren: Quick question for you. I've just added some debdiffs to bug #156085 in kvm/qemu. I noticed you've applied the last few patches. Do you know who is responsible for bringing the kvm package up-to-date. Ubuntu is currently on kvm-28 whereas latest is kvm-48.
[19:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156085 in qemu "Could not open /proc/bus/usb/devices" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156085
[19:34] <slangasek> lamont: why do bsdmainutils and bsdutils conflict in unstable?
[19:34] <lamont> it's not conflict...
[19:34] <lamont> it's apt
[19:35] <wasabi> cool. latest hal is screwed up
[19:35] <lamont> slangasek: you looking at build logs, then?
[19:36] <IntuitiveNipple> soren__: I'm guessing you lost connection and missed my question?
[19:36] <slangasek> lamont: um... I looked at the build logs, and from there I tracked down the package contents and see that they do have a conflict. :)
[19:37] <slangasek> lamont: because bsdmainutils only conflicts with bsdutils (<< 1:2.13-2)
[19:37] <slangasek> and there's newer bsdutils
[19:38] <slangasek> which still include the files that are the subject of the conflict
[19:41] <lamont> slangasek: WHAT!. gah!
[19:41]  * lamont goes to fix0r things then
[19:42] <slangasek> ok :)
[19:50] <superm1> mr_pouit, i also packaged up xfce4-smartpm-plugin if you can ask it
[19:52] <soren> fabbione: Sorry, the network here and my wireless nic are not friends.
[19:52] <lamont> slangasek: ah... that's because I kept col et al
[19:52] <lamont> so...  do I replace: bsdmainutils again, or do I give back col*
[19:52] <lamont> ?
[19:52] <lamont> UTF support seemed to be the biggest diff there.
[19:52] <fabbione> soren: see /msg
[19:53] <soren> fabbione: Oh, I got all your messages. My responses seem to have been lost.
[19:53] <slangasek> lamont: I don't care, just let me get felix built :-)
[19:53] <soren> fabbione: As I was trying to say, I realise that the build needs the right headers to be there, but iptables doesn't "Depends: linux-image (>= foo)" anyway.
[19:54] <soren> fabbione: ...so you don't know if it'll work at runtime anyway.
[19:54] <soren> fabbione: ...and we don't even require our users to be running our kernels.
[19:54] <IntuitiveNipple> soren: I'm guessing you lost connection and missed my question too?
[19:54] <soren> fabbione: So, the stuff that might build is completely independent of what will work at runtime.
[19:55] <soren> IntuitiveNipple: Nono, I saw it. I just couldn't respond, apparantly.
[19:55] <fabbione> soren: you don't care about runtime... you care that it builds all the userland modules that match our kernel. we don't support custom kernels anyway
[19:55] <IntuitiveNipple> soren: Ahhh, ok... is there a quick answer? :)
[19:55] <lamont> slangasek: currently, bsdutils "Replaces: bsdmainutils"
[19:55] <lamont> so do I just need a new upload?
[19:55]  * lamont grumbles
[19:56] <slangasek> lamont: oh, right... um, then I guess I just need to kick elmo about getting the new package installed in the sparc chroot
[19:56] <slangasek> lamont: in that case I don't see any need for a new upload
[19:57] <soren> fabbione: Right. What I intend to to is to put the headers files into the iptables source package so that we get all the extensions built. Whether they'll work at runtime we don't know anyway (since the user might be running an older kernel or a custom one).
[19:57] <lamont> slangasek: if it was already installed, and then bsdmainutils upload happened, and then bsdutils was upgraded, then I think we get where we are
[19:57] <soren> IntuitiveNipple: I'll look in a minute.
[19:57] <fabbione> soren: no, that's wrong
[19:57] <soren> fabbione: ...about supporting custom kernels, mjg59 told me we do support that.
[19:57] <soren> fabbione: why?
[19:57] <lamont> slangasek: where you at?
[19:57] <fabbione> soren: eh? who said that?
[19:57] <soren> fabbione: mjg59.
[19:58] <slangasek> lamont: currently, or in three minutes?
[19:58] <lamont> heh.
[19:58] <fabbione> soren: because you want to know a kernel change will break your set of features
[19:58] <lamont> in 3-5 min
[19:58]  * lamont will be in linux-source-changes
[19:58] <lamont> s/linux/kernel/
[19:59] <fabbione> soren: anyway.. do what you think is right. just make sure to be able to collect all the broken pieces in the next merge
[19:59] <slangasek> lamont: I'm headed to Hunsaker C
[19:59] <lamont> slangasek: I'll go ahead and upload a new bsdutils that doesn't deliver col*, and then hijack all of bsdmainutils in 2.14
[19:59] <soren> fabbione: *g*
[20:00] <StevenK> lamont: You're actually here?
[20:01] <fabbione> soren: just FYI in the past, using the proper kernel headers did uncover some bugs...
[20:01] <lamont> since sunday evening
[20:04] <soren> fabbione: Well, so has the current approach :)
[20:14] <so1> hi
[20:14] <so1> does someone know if it's possible to install ubuntu on an asus eee?
[20:14] <so1> and if yes, would it be intelligent to do so?
[20:14] <so1> basically i want to know if the machine is locked up or not ...
[20:37] <pitti> Riddell: did you see the last comment in the SRU bug 155032?
[20:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155032 in kdesudo "kdesu ownership change" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155032
[20:38] <Riddell> pitti: last comment doesn't look very interesting
[20:39] <pitti> Riddell: sorry, I mean the guy who says that the -proposed update doesn't work, but the PPA one does
[20:39] <pitti> Riddell: comment 26
[20:44] <Riddell> pitti: hmm, yes
[20:44] <Riddell> pitti: I'll look into it
[20:50] <pitti> Riddell: thanks; I just wanted to make sure that you are aware of it, since it seems to be quite a critical bug
[21:21] <warp10> pitti: Hi! may I call you in query?
[21:25]  * cyberix is lacking the brain power to parse version numberin chapter of the packaging guide.
[21:25] <cyberix> First the example shows...
[21:25] <cyberix> hello (2.1.1-1) dapper; urgency=low
[21:25] <LaserJock> cyberix: please ask in #ubuntu-motu
[21:25] <cyberix> Ok
[21:28] <KristianL> hmm, I need wnck python bindings ...
[21:30] <pitti> warp10: sure
[22:28] <lamont> cjwatson_: you around?
[22:28] <lamont> someone is looking for you...
[22:39] <lonnie> Using the 7.10 live CD I move windows files to an external hard drive with a ntfs partion. After installing Ubuntu 7.10, I looked for the files on the external hard drive and NONE WERE THERE!
[22:39] <lonnie> I remember when I unmounted the external hard drive, it asked if I wanted empty trash and I said yes.
[22:39] <lonnie> Anyone know why these file wouldn't show?
[22:40] <lonnie> Only the files that the Ubuntu Live CD moved to the external hard drive are missing.
[22:41] <lonnie> ls -a
[22:41] <lonnie> any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
[22:42] <LaserJock> StevenK: gimme a ping when you're around
[22:42] <StevenK> LaserJock: Hrm?
[23:19] <warsocket> could someone tell me what im missing when "gcc -m32 program.c" gives me a /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.3/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc  If i try to compile on Ubuntu gutsy (64-bits)
[23:55] <Kopfgeldjaeger> n8
[23:58] <mdomsch> bryce, ping


[04:21] <Kilos> morning peeps
[04:24] <Kilos> ai! this wiki thing
[04:45] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_
[04:45] <Tonberry_> hi
[05:30] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[05:30] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[05:30] <Jacques_Stry> So we had a bit of a storm last night
[05:30] <Jacques_Stry> DSL at home off again :)
[05:31] <Kilos> ya us 2 but only 2mm rain
[05:31] <Kilos> eish
[05:31] <Kilos> weve had 3 days of storms, inetpro  had no power most of saterday
[05:32] <Jacques_Stry> Good thing i put everything on my IPFire server - switching everything over to wireless was 30 sec
[05:32] <Kilos> no dsl is better than no power at all
[05:32] <Jacques_Stry> true
[05:33] <Kilos> so he loafed all saterday and sunday, now its time to rev him
[05:33] <Jacques_Stry> hehe he's gonna come online with an ai! again
[05:33] <Kilos> rofl
[05:34] <Kilos> either that or he just lurks then comes on and says some of us have work as well
[05:35] <Jacques_Stry> jaja
[05:44] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[05:44] <barrydk> More almal
[05:48] <Jacques_Stry> more
[05:54] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:54] <Kilos> hi mazal
[05:56] <Jacques_Stry> morning
[06:09] <Kilos> oi wat breek hy nou weer
[06:14] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[06:16] <Jacques_Stry> Morning Padroni
[06:17] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[06:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:17] <Padroni> Hi Kilos
[06:17] <Padroni> Hi Jacques_Stry
[06:17] <Padroni> how are you ?
[06:17] <Kilos> good ty and you
[06:18] <Padroni> been at work 17 minutes, done a spammer and a phishing site
[06:18] <Padroni> it must be Monday today...
[06:18] <Jacques_Stry> Hehe, good thanks
[06:37] <magespawn> good morning
[06:38] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:39] <Padroni> hi magespawn
[06:39] <Padroni> how are you?
[06:41] <Kilos> ohi magespawn
[06:46] <Jacques_Stry> 1 month to go 15.04 release
[06:48] <Kilos> sigh
[06:52] <magespawn> hi Padroni good and you/
[06:52] <magespawn> ?
[06:59] <magespawn> i am looking at proxy servers, squid seems to be quite comprehensive, any thoughts people?
[07:03] <Padroni> proxy for?
[07:03] <Padroni> vpn purposes?
[07:03] <Padroni> or caching?
[07:04] <magespawn> caching and usage control
[07:08] <inetpro> dankie Kilos
[07:08] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[07:13] <Squirm> morning
[07:13] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:20] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:38] <Jacques_Stry> I would very much propose squid. Most firewall dist etc. use it
[07:39] <Jacques_Stry> what is the environment you want it for?
[07:42] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[07:43] <Padroni> We use Untangle for Firewall / VPN purposes
[07:43] <Padroni> all I can say is it works.
[07:43] <Padroni>  as to how good vs Squid, I can't say
[07:43] <Jacques_Stry> same here - haven't really tested untangle
[07:45] <Jacques_Stry> but if you want bandwidth monitoring per user then go for untangle - squid not really meant for that
[07:47] <Jacques_Stry> Problem is untangle is expensive
[07:48] <magespawn> thanks Jacques_Stry, i think i will use squid for now, and also set up something like cacti
[07:52] <magespawn> thanks Padroni
[07:53] <magespawn> Jacques_Stry: the company has various internet connections, all running on the same capped account, i am looking to reduce, monitor and control the usage
[07:56] <Jacques_Stry> A combination of squid and cacti should work then. Just gonna be quite the config :)
[08:04] <Jacques_Stry> I see IPFire has a Cacti addon available - so then you have squid, webblocker etc. already configured
[08:04] <Jacques_Stry> magespawn: http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/addons/cacti/start
[08:07] <magellanic> look into ipcop maybe as well, it is an all-in-one distro for that type of thing
[08:07] <Jacques_Stry> lol same thing about - ipfire is based on ipcop
[08:08] <magellanic> ah :)
[08:08] <magellanic> one thing I haven't seen in ipcop, is bandiwdth shaping tools, but maybe I haven't looked enough
[08:09] <Jacques_Stry> ipfire you can but you have to do it via QOS rules
[08:28] <magespawn> i am not too concerned about shaping, just need to monitor, to see who is using what, at the moment
[08:38] <barrydk> magespawn: I use a clearos server for the same thing
[08:41] <magespawn> thanks barrydk i'll take a look
[08:41] <Padroni> clearos is pretty
[08:41] <Padroni> I had that on one of my eeebox pc's once
[08:41] <Padroni> oh wait
[08:42] <Padroni> I am thinking of something else
[08:42] <Padroni> oh wait - yes
[08:42] <Padroni> it IS clearos, hehe
[08:42] <Padroni> I like their site - it's pretty
[08:42] <magespawn> barrydk: are you using the community or professional/
[08:43] <barrydk> community,
[08:43] <Jacques_Stry> haven't used but yes their site is pretty *sparkles* :)
[08:43] <magespawn> lol
[08:44] <barrydk> It is verry stable
[08:44] <Jacques_Stry> i'll load it up on a VM tonight and check it out
[08:46] <barrydk> For a dum oak like me it is very user friendly to setup and it does what i want
[09:01] <Padroni> jaaaaaak
[09:01] <Padroni> kyk
[09:01] <Padroni> jou
[09:01] <Padroni> pvt
[09:01] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[09:06] <magespawn> thanks for the input, chat later all
[10:19] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry
[10:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:13] <jacques_> ic connection dropped while I was gone
[11:14] <Kilos> lol
[11:24] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez
[11:25] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[11:25] <Kilos> lol whats broken
[11:25] <arnaudmez> nothing
[11:25] <Kilos> hows things by you arnaudmez
[11:26] <Kilos> you getting too good now man
[11:26] <arnaudmez> except I'm fighting to get my exchange account to work on evolution
[11:27] <Kilos> you need to explaint hat to me
[11:27] <Kilos> i have evo on my pc
[11:29] <arnaudmez> Okay
[11:29] <arnaudmez> I've setup my personal Laptop with Mint 17 and everything works like a charm
[11:29] <Kilos> ok
[11:30] <arnaudmez> but left I need to setup my company mailbox which sits on an exchange server
[11:30] <arnaudmez> all was added (mapi, etc... ) but still it's not working like expected
[11:31] <arnaudmez> in fact it's not working
[11:31] <Kilos> oh you having probs pointing evo to the server
[11:31] <Kilos> wbb
[11:32] <arnaudmez> Yebo
[11:32] <Kilos> ok back
[11:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:34] <Kilos> is the server not blocking it?
[11:35] <Kilos> firewall or something
[11:39] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[11:40] <jacques_> arnaudmez: Well I have never attempted this myself but if Evo fails you could try the ExQuilla addon for thunderbird. https://exquilla.zendesk.com/home
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[11:43] <arnaudmez> thunderbird you said, i thought that blue bird was shooted months ago
[11:43] <Kilos> thunderbird i a mail client
[11:43] <Kilos> is
[11:44] <Kilos> like evolution
[11:44] <arnaudmez> I know that bird carying mails bro
[11:44] <arnaudmez> I prefer to walk on Evo
[11:44] <Kilos> lol
[11:44] <Kilos> me too
[11:45] <arnaudmez> I think i've got an answer here, my mint uses Evo 3.10 and it looks like Evo-ews or Evo-mapi 3.10 doesn't fully support Exchange functions
[11:45] <Kilos> aha
[11:47] <jacques_> Evo works well for me but that interface is just SIESA! to me
[12:20] <inetpro> not only is the evo interface yuck it is even bloated as well... or was, when I used it last
[12:21] <inetpro> the blue bird keeps flying despite a lack of development resources at Mozilla
[12:21] <Kilos> sigh
[12:21] <Kilos> evo is lekker
[12:22] <Kilos> peeps say kde is bloated but that dont stop you using it
[12:32] <inetpro> evo is a hog
[12:32] <inetpro> kde performs top notch all the time
[12:32] <Kilos> hee hee you havent tried it in a long time
[12:33] <inetpro> and thunderbird on top of kde allows me to stay productive as ever
[12:33] <Kilos> try first then comment again
[12:33] <Kilos> i give up
[12:33] <Kilos> again
[12:34] <inetpro> eish!
[12:35] <inetpro> and evo reminds me of novell, yuck!
[12:38] <Kilos> inetpro  fixit
[12:38] <inetpro> fix what?
[12:38] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[12:39] <Kilos> i dunno if it a space or carriage return or what makes that prob
[12:39] <Kilos> we been there before
[12:39] <Kilos> wont you please add a few empty lines
[12:40] <Kilos> his lp id is jan-verslank
[12:40] <Kilos> asseblief boetie
[12:41] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[12:42] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[12:56] <Kilos> that is a daunting exercise for many and worse for me, but with empty lines ill manage im sure
[13:04] <inetpro> ai!
[13:04] <Kilos> hee hee
[13:10] <inetpro> Kilos: why is it so difficult to add '|| ' in front of a line?
[13:15] <Kilos> ai!
[13:15] <Kilos> i thought i did
[13:15] <Kilos> sorry sir
[13:16] <Kilos> i even had his join date in head at the time, now thats gone too
[13:16] <Kilos> grrr
[13:17] <Kilos> well at least now you have a sense of being needed
[13:31] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[13:31] <kulelu88> hello
[13:31] <Kilos> and smile
[13:31] <smile> hi :D
[13:53] <Kilos> inetpro  ty very much
[13:54] <inetpro> uh, what did I break?
[13:54] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[13:54]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[13:54] <Kilos> you fixed it man
[13:54] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[13:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[13:55] <inetpro> Kilos: did you get more rain last night
[13:55] <inetpro> ?
[13:55] <Kilos> 2mm
[13:55] <Kilos> total so far 11mm
[13:55] <inetpro> so you didn't get much this weekend?
[13:55] <Kilos> you got 18mm the first day
[13:55] <Kilos> nope
[13:55] <inetpro> 18 + 10
[13:55] <Kilos> 4+5
[13:56]  * inetpro very glad we got that
[13:56] <inetpro> was extremely dry already
[13:56] <Kilos> ya even the little helped some here
[13:56] <Kilos> very bad
[13:57] <Kilos> worst one still coming
[13:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[14:03] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[14:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:20] <kulelu88> electricity prices going up
[15:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:44] <Kilos> if i didnt as yet ohi superfly  this is it
[17:11] <Mopkop> Hello...
[17:22] <Kilos> hello Mopkop
[17:22] <Kilos> hows moppie tonigh
[17:22] <Kilos> t
[17:23] <Mopkop> Baie om voor dankbaar te wees! And you?
[17:24] <Kilos> ook net so dankie, miskien meer as jy even
[17:24] <Kilos> ek is gereboot sodat ek julle almal kon leer ken
[17:25] <Mopkop> Ek verstaan nie?
[17:26] <Kilos> man ek was dooi en weer terug gestuur
[17:26] <Kilos> thats why ek so dom is
[17:27] <Mopkop> Ek dink ek verstaan...
[17:27] <Kilos> hehe
[17:27] <Mopkop> Wel ek is bly oom is met ons.
[17:27] <Kilos> dankie seun
[17:27] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit met jou project
[17:27] <Kilos> taak ding
[17:28] <Mopkop> Ugh, stadig.  I always get these Ideas when I'm supposed to be working. Why not build a site locally using Joomla or Wordpress, then wget the entire site to get the static html pages. And then just FTP the output to the server? This way you can make very fast sites using Wordpress or Joomla.
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <Mopkop> I just tried it with a Joomla site I built and it works perfectly :)
[18:06] <Kilos> you already know the answer to that
[18:07] <Mopkop> Kilos: No, I don't?
[18:07] <Kilos> you are supposed to be doing a project
[18:07] <Kilos> the answer is to build it with bzr and nikola
[18:07] <Mopkop> O yes, back to crises intervention....
[18:08] <Mopkop> Yes I know for the Ubuntu sites.  Back to assignment...
[18:11] <Kilos> lol good boy
[18:21] <kulelu88> wordpress is 2004
[18:26] <kulelu88> but pays the bills :P
[18:28] <Kilos> i went there to look at something else but had to register before it let me in and now the onlu way i can get in is from the link in the email they sent me
[18:28] <Kilos> now im not interested anymore
[18:28] <Kilos> wb Jacques_StrY
[18:28] <Jacques_StrY> Hi
[18:39] <inetpro> Mopkop: https://etherpad.net/p/Ubuntu_Africa
[18:39] <inetpro> good evening
[18:39] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:42] <Kilos> wow inetpro  you just typed just start typing and he?
[18:42] <Kilos> how did i see that
[18:43] <Kilos> is that in pm?
[18:43] <superfly> ohi
[18:44] <Kilos> lol
[18:44] <Mopkop> Hello superfly!
[18:44] <Mopkop> Kilos: It's in the broweser on Etherpad.
[18:44] <Mopkop> browser
[18:45] <Kilos> no man i read that
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: you on KDE?
[18:45] <Kilos> oh you mean there is a chat thing too?
[18:45] <Kilos> yes superfly
[18:45] <Kilos> for a year now
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: do you have a little icon of a pair of scissors in your system tray? (where all your notifications are)
[18:46] <Kilos> yes
[18:46] <superfly> Kilos: right-click on it, and click "Configure"
[18:47] <superfly> under "clipboard history size", type in "2048"
[18:47] <superfly> Then, click on "Shortcuts" on the left
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: we've used this before
[18:47] <captine> evening all...
[18:47] <superfly> then click on "Open Klipper at Mouse Position"
[18:47] <captine> anyone got a good tool to connect to ms sql servers from ubuntu... or to DB2 databases?
[18:48] <Kilos> i cant
[18:48] <superfly> Kilos: ?
[18:48] <captine> ms sql driver for odbc and linux is for redhat specifically....
[18:48] <Kilos> in configure klipboard history size in cant type in there
[18:49] <Kilos> it goes t 2010
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: that'll do
[18:49] <superfly> captine: I last worked with MS over 10 years ago. Sorry
[18:50] <Mopkop> captine, maybe there is a jdbc for mssql?
[18:50] <Kilos> it to 2048 by up arrow
[18:50] <superfly> Kilos: great
[18:50] <superfly> Kilos: now, click on "Shortcuts" on the left
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: then click on "Open Klipper at Mouse Position"
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: then click on "Custom"
[18:51] <superfly> Then click on the button
[18:51] <captine> Mopkop, looking at squirrel sql
[18:51] <captine> superfly, you fortunate
[18:51] <superfly> then press, Ctrl+Shift+V
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: then click OK
[18:52] <Kilos> what happened
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: did you do all of that?
[18:52] <Jacques_StrY> captine: from what I remember you still use the red hat one just a bit of a more complicated install
[18:52] <Jacques_StrY> http://codesynthesis.com/~boris/blog/2011/12/02/microsoft-sql-server-odbc-driver-linux/
[18:52] <Kilos>  Ctrl+Shift+V didnt show any action
[18:53] <superfly> Kilos: did you try to type or, or did you press those keys?
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> captine: it's a old blog post but should still work
[18:53] <Kilos> just pressed those keys
[18:53] <Kilos> then ticked ok
[18:53] <superfly> Kilos: OK, press Ctrl+Shift+V now
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> captine: more up to date - http://onefinepub.com/2014/03/installing-unixodbc-2-3-2-higher-ubuntu-12-04-lts/
[18:53] <superfly> Kilos: Just anywhere
[18:54] <Kilos> nothing
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: ai. did you follow my steps properly?
[18:54] <Kilos> sjoe i think so
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: you saw the list of shortcuts, right?
[18:54] <Kilos> yes
[18:54] <superfly> and you clicked on "Open Klipper..." right?
[18:54] <Kilos> and ticked custom
[18:55] <superfly> Kilos: you missed a step
[18:55] <superfly> >> and you clicked on "Open Klipper..." right?
[18:55] <Kilos> no
[18:56] <Kilos> where is open klipper
[18:56] <superfly> in the list of shortcuts
[18:57] <Kilos> in custom the button is on none
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: http://pbrd.co/1C5gfyv
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: then click on it
[18:57] <Kilos> it shows input
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: and then press Ctrl+Shift+V
[18:58] <superfly> Kilos: it will ask you if you want to Reassign the shortcut, and you click "Yes"
[18:58] <Kilos> ooo i saw funny stuffs now
[18:59] <superfly> what did you see?
[18:59] <Kilos> white squares with lots black stuffs in them
[19:00] <Kilos> oi now in browser is also configure klipper
[19:00] <superfly> Kilos: yes, that's mine. Did you make your screen look like mine?
[19:01] <Kilos> browser icon show pasteboard
[19:01] <Kilos> let me compare them
[19:01] <superfly> Kilos: yes, because I used pasteboard to upload the screenshot of MY configuration so that you can see what yours is supposed to look like
[19:02] <Kilos> ya looks same
[19:03] <superfly> GreaT
[19:03] <superfly> Kilos: now, if you press Ctrl+Shift+V a menu will open up
[19:03] <Kilos> yay now it asked to reasitgn
[19:03] <superfly> great
[19:04] <superfly> click OK to save it
[19:04] <Kilos> done
[19:06] <Kilos> cool ty superfly
[19:06] <superfly> Kilos: go select a few things, click "Ctrl+C" and then after doing that a few times, press Ctrl+Shift+V
[19:06] <Mopkop> Hay guys, still having problem with nikola.
[19:06] <Mopkop> This is what is looks like on my computer: http://pbrd.co/1C5hqhv
[19:06] <superfly> Mopkop: which version of Nikola
[19:06] <captine> hi all.  anyone hear bout this?  https://documentfreedom.org/
[19:07] <Mopkop> Nikola v7.3.1
[19:07] <Kilos> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14369/change-or-reset-windows-password-from-a-ubuntu-live-cd/
[19:07] <Kilos> haha
[19:07] <superfly> Mopkop: and you ran "nikola build" and then "nikola serve" ?
[19:08] <Mopkop> superfly: Yes.
[19:09] <superfly> Mopkop: works for me. try deleting your "cache" and "output" directories
[19:09] <Mopkop> If I go to the live site and copy-paste the JavaScript in the footer into the footer in my local site and create the corresponding script in the assets folder. It works perfectly.
[19:09] <inetpro> captine: yes, DFD has been ongoing for a few years already
[19:09] <Mopkop> Let met try that...
[19:09] <superfly> Mopkop: also, did you do a "bzr up" in trunk?
[19:09] <inetpro> captine: but I forgot about it to be honest
[19:10] <Mopkop> is it the same as bzr update? then yes.
[19:11] <superfly> yeah, just shorthand
[19:11] <Mopkop> Nope, still the same problem :(
[19:11] <captine> inetpro, cool.  I sent to our IT team... held back on comments about open standards.... big microsoft lovers... :)
[19:13] <inetpro> captine: remember to mention it in our meeting tomorrow
[19:13] <superfly> Mopkop: open up the dev console, refresh, and tell me if you see any errors
[19:13] <inetpro> in fact maybe even get a few people to talk about it before the meeting already and tell us in the meeting what you guys are planning :-)
[19:14] <superfly> Mopkop: bzr revno definitely says "2" ?
[19:14] <Kilos> and add it to the agenda maybe
[19:15] <Mopkop> superfly: What is the dev console?  Yes it says 2.
[19:16] <superfly> Mopkop: right-click on the page and click on "Inspect Element (Q)"
[19:16] <Mopkop> O, that...
[19:16] <Kilos> oh superfly  doesnt he have to be in the dev group?
[19:16] <superfly> Kilos: dis iets anders
[19:16] <Kilos> o ok
[19:16] <Mopkop> superfly: Nope, all clear.
[19:17] <Mopkop> And all the buttons there are selected, CSS JS Net and so on.
[19:17] <Mopkop> This is the source: http://bin.snyman.info/cjcwr
[19:17] <captine> Kilos, that link uses 9.10.  you think it is still applicable for newer Windows versions?
[19:17] <superfly> Mopkop: my guess is that you actually have a security setting that is True where mine is False, but I can't remember the name of that setting, so I can't go and disable it in my browser. Which is why it works for me
[19:18] <Kilos> let me go see captine
[19:19] <Kilos> you talking about the frredom day link?
[19:19] <Kilos> freedom
[19:19] <superfly> Mopkop: weird, that's not right.
[19:19] <Mopkop> superfly: Yes, this line is missing: <script src="/assets/js/all-nocdn.js"></script>
[19:20] <Mopkop> If I add it and the all-nocdn.js file it works.
[19:20] <superfly> Mopkop: it's not just that. you have 3 files, where I have one
[19:21] <superfly> Mopkop: what's the output of "cat themes/ubuntuafrica/bundles" ?
[19:21] <Mopkop> Yes, I noticed that too. It is like that in the raw Nikola code, not just in the output. Which is why I thought bzr is not getting the right code.
[19:21] <Mopkop> Let me see...
[19:22] <Mopkop> assets/css/all-nocdn.css=bootstrap.css,bootstrap-theme.css,rst.css,code.css,colorbox.css,theme.css,custom.css
[19:22] <Mopkop> assets/css/all.css=rst.css,code.css,colorbox.css,theme.css,custom.css
[19:22] <Mopkop> assets/js/all-nocdn.js=jquery.min.js,bootstrap.min.js,jquery.colorbox-min.js,theme.js
[19:22] <Mopkop> assets/js/all.js=jquery.colorbox-min.js,theme.js
[19:22] <superfly> Mopkop: ai. no pastie!
[19:22] <superfly> Mopkop: that's why we have paste bins
[19:22] <Mopkop> Sorry...
[19:22] <superfly> OK, that's right
[19:22] <superfly> so it looks like your CDN setting is wrong
[19:23] <Mopkop> Where do I change it?
[19:23] <superfly> Mopkop: ahaaaa, I think I know what the problem is
[19:24] <Mopkop> Yes?
[19:24] <superfly> Mopkop: sudo apt-get install python-webassets
[19:24] <captine> Kilos, i was referring to you resetting windows password link
[19:24] <Mopkop> I tried to pip that last night, but let me try apt-get
[19:24] <Kilos> oh captine  i did it with 14.04
[19:24] <superfly> Mopkop: don't pip unless you *have* to
[19:24] <Kilos> worked kiff
[19:25] <Mopkop> python-webassets is already the newest version
[19:25] <Mopkop> Let met try to reinstall
[19:27] <Mopkop> Nope, still the same problem :(
[19:27] <superfly> Mopkop: last line of defense, find the "USE_BUNDLES" setting in conf.py, uncomment it and set it to True (with a capital T)
[19:28] <Mopkop> Ok...
[19:28] <superfly> in my version of Nikola, it defaults to True
[19:28] <superfly> it might have changed
[19:28] <superfly> Mopkop: oh, do you have the Python 2 or 3 version of Nikola running?
[19:29] <superfly> try installing python3-webassets
[19:29] <Mopkop> superfly: not sure. I use that pyenv thing.
[19:29] <Mopkop> Maaz nikola
[19:29] <Maaz> http://bin.snyman.info/npcn4
[19:29] <captine> weird.  Skype on Linux works at home, but didnt connect at work... thought skype got thru any firewall... lol.  esp considering it works on Windows at the office.
[19:29] <superfly> pyenv or virtualenv?
[19:29] <inetpro> $ python --version
[19:29] <inetpro> Python 2.7.6
[19:29] <captine> Kilos, and which Windows version? xp, 7, 8?
[19:30] <Kilos> 7
[19:30] <Mopkop> pyenv
[19:30] <Mopkop> Python 2.7.6
[19:30] <superfly> inetpro: negatory
[19:30] <superfly> inetpro: Nikola comes in both 2 and 3 flavours, just running that command does not tell you which version of Python Nikola is using
[19:32] <inetpro> superfly: I don't have Python 3 installed
[19:32] <inetpro> just saying mine workd with Python 2.7.6
[19:32] <inetpro> works as well
[19:34] <Mopkop> This is the code in base.tmpl
[19:34] <Mopkop> http://bin.snyman.info/gczsk
[19:35] <smile> bye :)
[19:35] <smile> good night! :D
[19:35] <Kilos> night smile
[19:35] <Mopkop> Night Night smile!
[19:35] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:38] <superfly> Mopkop: that's right
[19:39] <Kilos> superfly  how come i saw your klipper thing and didnt have to go to the link?
[19:39] <superfly> Kilos: because you don't remember clicking on the link
[19:39] <Mopkop> Hmm, then it must be a compile error in Nikola
[19:39] <Kilos> oh
[19:40] <Mopkop> Let' see...
[19:41] <inetpro> Mopkop, superfly: I know what it is
[19:41] <Mopkop> Yes?
[19:41] <superfly> inetpro: wat is dit?
[19:41] <inetpro> I updated my pyenv and plugins/pyenv-virtualenv/
[19:42] <inetpro> now also getting the same problem
[19:42] <Mopkop> Ah.
[19:42] <inetpro> did a 'git pull' on each of them
[19:42] <inetpro> not sure which one breaks it
[19:43] <superfly> nou ja, you want to use some dudes untested piece of code
[19:43] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <superfly> You see why I say, "just stick with  virtualenv"?
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: where's the sjambok?
[19:44] <inetpro> and where's stickyboy?
[19:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:45] <Kilos> he has gone to the states for 2 weeks i think
[19:45] <Mopkop> So I just pip virtualenv?
[19:45] <superfly> no, sudo apt-get install virtualenv
[19:45] <Kilos> remind me to rev him when he gets back
[19:46] <superfly> then "virtualenv --system-site-packages ~/virtualenv"
[19:46] <superfly> then "~/virtualenv/bin/pip install nikola"
[19:46] <Mopkop> E: Unable to locate package virtualenv
[19:46] <Mopkop> Do I need a ppa?
[19:46] <superfly> no, sudo apt-get install python-virtualenv
[19:46] <superfly> my mistake, sorry, trying to do 3 things at once here
[19:47] <Mopkop> Oh, I already have it. Lol
[19:50] <Jacques_StrY> night all
[19:50] <Mopkop> Night Jacques_StrY!
[19:51] <Mopkop> So how do I use virtualenv?
[19:51] <superfly> [21:46:16] <superfly> then "virtualenv --system-site-packages ~/virtualenv"
[19:51] <superfly> [21:46:30] <superfly> then "~/virtualenv/bin/pip install nikola"
[19:52] <Mopkop> and then nikola will work? So I don't need to activate anyting?
[19:52] <Mopkop> But now I get Nikola version 6.2.1
[19:53] <superfly> ~/virtualenv/bin/pip install --upgrade nikola
[19:55] <Mopkop> Upgrading....
[19:59] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:00]  * inetpro deleted ~/.pyenv/versions/Nikola/ and started a fresh pyenv virtualenv Nikola
[20:00] <inetpro> I see the image now
[20:01] <inetpro> so I'm not convinced any more... maybe I just missed something else
[20:02] <inetpro> following my instructions at https://trello.com/c/hRfmh5Kd works fine
[20:02] <Mopkop> Now I get a bunch of errors when I build :(
[20:02] <inetpro> but superfly I hear what you say about trusting other people's code
[20:03] <Mopkop> inetpro: I tried following it to the letter, but I get errors when I try to pip install webassets
[20:03] <inetpro> Mopkop: what errors?
[20:04] <inetpro> pastebin it
[20:04] <inetpro> I might have left out another dependancy
[20:04] <Mopkop> O wait sudo....
[20:05] <Mopkop> :(
[20:05] <inetpro> uh?
[20:06] <Mopkop> A lot of these: warning: no previously-included files matching 'out.css' found under directory 'examples'
[20:06] <superfly> Mopkop: no! don't sudo pip!
[20:06] <Mopkop> Oops...
[20:07] <superfly> sudo pip forces pip to install external packages into your system python, where your package manager has no idea what's going on
[20:07] <superfly> sudo pip is bad
[20:07] <superfly> you need to use the pip from inside your virtualenv
[20:07] <Mopkop> Ah, maybe that's how I broke it in the first place....
[20:07] <superfly> and in this case you don't even need to do that
[20:07] <inetpro> ai!
[20:07] <superfly> because you already installed webassets via your package manager
[20:08] <superfly> ~/virtualenv/bin/pip
[20:08] <superfly> no sudo
[20:10] <Mopkop> Requirement already up-to-date
[20:10] <Mopkop> Does virtualenv also have an activate command like pyenv?
[20:15] <superfly> pyenv is just a (bad) wrapper around virtualenv
[20:16] <Mopkop> But I don't get how to run nikola from virtualenv?
[20:18] <superfly> ~/virtualenv/bin/nikola
[20:19] <Mopkop> ah, was looking at that...
[20:19] <Mopkop> How do you set an alias again?
[20:19] <superfly> Python? ~/virtualenv/bin/python
[20:19] <superfly> ln -s <source> <target>
[20:20] <Mopkop> Yay it works now!
[20:21] <Mopkop> Thank you superfly and inetpro. I know  you are very busy.
[20:28] <Mopkop> Ok good night all. And thank you for all the help!
[20:32] <kulelu88> you don't need virtualenv anymore with docker
[20:34] <inetpro> kulelu88: maybe you need to help us with docker a bit
[20:34] <inetpro> but not now
[20:37] <superfly> kulelu88: with something small like nikola for building a site, docker is overkill
[20:38] <kulelu88> no problem inetpro . I am working on a docker-workflow. I am so far setup with ubuntu + python. Next I'm building basic onion layers like django, flask, etc.
[20:38] <kulelu88> superfly: true, but Docker keeps the base system clean. Having many extra libs on your base install is unnecessary
[20:38] <inetpro> superfly: but docker is supposed to simplify things
[20:39] <superfly> inetpro: when you're running servers, sure
[20:39] <superfly> kulelu88: two packages is hardly "many extra"
[20:40] <kulelu88> superfly: are there any ubuntu-level libs required?
[20:41] <superfly> kulelu88: for nikola? only python-virtualenv and python-webassets - the rest goes into the virtualenv
[20:41] <kulelu88> so nothing below? Like a C package, etc.
[20:41] <superfly> no
[20:42] <superfly> at least, not as far as I know.
[20:42] <kulelu88> yeah then docker isn't necessary
[20:42] <kulelu88> although still useful if many of you are using Nikola for the same site
[20:42] <superfly> yeah, I don't do the "C-extensions in your virtualenv" thing
[20:42] <inetpro> ideally this pyenv thingamajig should be packaged and easier to use for newbies
[20:43] <kulelu88> superfly: I don't think virtualenv allows for that
[20:43] <superfly> inetpro: from my perspective, pyenv only makes things more complicated
[20:43] <kulelu88> it only isolates py stuff
[20:43] <superfly> kulelu88: it does, as long as you have the build tools available
[20:44] <superfly> kulelu88: apparently you can pip install mod_wsgi
[20:44] <superfly> kulelu88: it just puts it all in your virtualenv instead of in your system
[20:44] <superfly> anyway, bed time for me
[20:45] <superfly> got all my AngularJS tests passing
[20:45] <inetpro> superfly: true, it does more than what we really need
[20:45] <superfly> \o/
[20:45] <kulelu88> wow, I didn't know this
[20:45] <kulelu88> tc superfly
[20:46] <superfly> night all! have fun storming the castle!
[20:46] <inetpro> yep, sleep is needed
[20:46] <inetpro> good night superfly
[21:26] <Kilos> sjoe i fell asleep
[21:26] <Kilos> night all sleep tight


[00:21] <CIA-9> cdebconf: cjwatson * r1428 ubuntu/debian/changelog: No-change rebuild against directfb 1.2.
[00:23] <CIA-9> cdebconf: cjwatson * r1429 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.141ubuntu2


[19:13] <bumboks> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server on an MD raid but the devices in the "Create software RAID (MD) disk" list is blank. Any ideas?
[19:13] <bumboks> I've tried both the 20.04 and 21.04 isos
[19:19] <rfm> bumboks, maybe the disks already have a superblock on them from a previous attempt?
[19:20] <bumboks> maybe. How would I fix that?
[19:43] <rfm> bumboks, with mdadm --zero-superblock
[20:09] <bumboks> @rfm okay I tried that, and wipefs too, but I still can't see any devices in there?
[21:52] <Walex2> bumboks: which devices do you expect to be there?


[03:38] <nunyab_> Hello, does anyone know of a fix for the logon loop issue?
[03:44] <hggdh> what logon loop issue?
[04:15] <micahg> bdmurray: latest lp extension is awesome
[04:38] <bdmurray> micahg: thanks!
[04:39] <micahg> bdmurray: if I think of some other keywords I'll let you know
[07:16] <micahg1> bdmurray: greasemonkey shouldn't do its thing on the +edit page :)
[07:18] <micahg> bdmurray: it actually seems like it interferes with the LP AJAX stuff
[09:05] <Kermiac> Hi ppl. Anyone around I can ask about a problem I'm having with "Compiled LPGM Scripts"?
[09:06] <jmarsden> Kermiac: Unless your issue is related to bug triage, ask in #ubuntu not here.
[09:06] <Kermiac> ok, sorry mate
[09:09] <persia> OR file a bug, and we may be able to help triage it.
[09:10] <persia> The point being that this isn't a support channel.
[09:12] <Kermiac> Thanks persia. Well, I do use it to help automate some of the tasks for bug triage... but I also understand the point jmarsden made that this isn't a support channel. I was just wondering if anyone in here uses it.  i've filed a "question" https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-gm-scripts/+question/96514
[09:14] <persia> Kermiac: That looks like a bug either in launchpad or the LP_Karma_Sufix scripts.
[09:14] <persia> Dunno if LP_Karma_Suffix scripts have a bug tracker, but if they do, filing there would serve you best.
[09:16] <Kermiac> thanks for having a look persia. Yeah, I filed the question against their PPA. Now that someone else thinks it looks like a bug I'll go ahead & link a bug report to the question too. Thanks for the advice
[09:16] <persia> Well, the trick is figuring out where to put the bug.
[09:17] <persia> Last I knew, there wasn't a way to link a bug to a PPA, and we tend not to like bugs against PPAs filed against Ubuntu.
[09:18] <Kermiac> I installed it from their PPA, but the scripts are also on Launchpad
[09:18] <Kermiac> https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-gm-scripts
[09:20] <persia> That's a project!  File a bug there.
[09:20] <persia> And if you're lucky, somewhere on that project page it will explain how to contact the devs, and where to ask for support (I doubt #ubuntu is right for this case)
[09:20] <Kermiac> yeah, that's what I was going to do. Thanks again persia :)
[13:48] <LimCore> guys.. what is up with kgpg.. seriously
[13:48] <LimCore> like 5 crashes in 5 minutes, what ever I do
[13:52] <jpds> LimCore: Well, find out what's crashing it with debug/strace/...
[13:55] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/472530
[13:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 472530 in kdeutils "KGpg (kgpg), signal: Segmentation fault" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:55] <LimCore> gpg crashes all the time for me and other reporters. Set priority perhaps?
[13:55] <LimCore> * kgpg
[15:01] <bddebian> Boo
[15:19] <thekorn> bddebian, what would I do without you, your daily "boo" tells me when it's time to go home ;)
[15:21] <bddebian> Heh :)
[16:05] <bdrung> seb128: can you have a look at bug #504153 and #503789 (you uploaded the lastest gtkmm2.4 package)?
[16:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 504153 in libkml "Please sync libkml 1.1.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504153
[16:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503789 in gbgoffice "Please sync gbgoffice 1.4-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503789
[16:06] <seb128> bdrung, I just update the thing, code is come from upstream though
[16:08] <bdrung> seb128: do you think that this is an upstream bug or do the packages need an update to be compatible to the new version?
[16:09] <seb128> bdrung, seems rather an upstream bug
[16:09] <seb128> I've pinged the upstream maintainer on IRC
[16:09] <seb128> waiting for a reply now
[16:10] <bdrung> thanks. what's the name of their irc channel?
[16:13] <fujimitsu> limcore mentioned some kgpg segfault issue earlier. just installed kgpg myself and it fails to start at all, even from terminal, it throws me back at prompt with no errors..
[16:37] <jcastro> hggdh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream/Contacts
[16:37] <jcastro> hggdh: I've been changing the tone to be not so strict-sounding
[16:47] <hggdh> jcastro: looking
[17:01] <hggdh> jcastro: may I add/change?
[17:03] <jcastro> hggdh: feel free!
[17:30] <hggdh> jcastro, changes saved
[17:31] <hggdh> jcastro: the most important (for me) was changing the tone on the first sentence
[17:52] <jcastro> hggdh: those changes are much better, thank you
[19:14] <cyan-spam> hi all. has anyone gotten a chance to look at the FindRightPackage improvements i mailed out a week or so ago?
[19:45] <Flare183> cyan-spam: Link?
[19:46] <cyan-spam> flare183: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2009-December/001719.html
[19:47]  * Flare183 reads it
[19:48] <Flare183> cyan-spam: I see what your saying about the Wiki Page.
[19:55] <cyan-spam> flare183: mhm. what do you think about my changes? do they help? do they target the right group of readers?
[19:55] <Flare183> hmmm
[19:56] <Flare183> cyan-spam: Think it does target the correct group of readers. I like the changes, but I also think you might want a second opinion too. Because like, I'm only one person so yeah.
[19:57] <cyan-spam> flare183: yeah. thank you :)
[19:57] <Flare183> cyan-spam: Your welcome :)
[20:00] <hggdh> cyan-spam: looking, and sorry for the delay
[20:08] <hggdh> cyan-spam: on the example for xprop -- you say " the slash is important", should be "the backslash ..."
[20:08] <cyan-spam> hggdh: ok. thank you for checking it out!
[20:08] <hggdh> cyan-spam: still going through it
[20:09] <hggdh> but I like it very much
[20:09] <cyan-spam> sweet
[20:11] <hggdh> on " finding the right package -- you might want to add in ' apt-file': " apt-file search picasa.exe", for example. apt-file works for all packages, even if not installed (and dpkg -S only works for installed packages)
[20:11] <cyan-spam> hggdh: hey, i didn't even know about that command. thanks!
[20:11] <hggdh> sudo apt-get install apt-file
[20:11] <cyan-spam> ah ok
[20:12] <hggdh> charlie-tca: around? what is the name for the display manager on xubuntu?
[20:13] <cyan-spam> hggdh: it uses gdm
[20:13] <hggdh> ah, thanks, I have all three installed, but under gdm, so I was not sure
[20:15] <hggdh> cyan-spam: marvelous, thank you very much. Please put it in place
[20:15] <cyan-spam> hggdh: will do, thanks so much for checking it out
[20:24] <hggdh> cyan-spam: are you interested if following coreutils bugs?
[20:25] <cyan-spam> hggdh: possibly, if you need help there. i do work on the command line enough
[20:27] <charlie-tca> hggdh: yeah, I am here. I had to grab food
[20:34] <hggdh> charlie-tca: cyan-spam already answered, thank you
[20:34] <charlie-tca> no problem
[20:34] <hggdh> cyan-spam: all help is welcome ;-)
[20:35] <hggdh> and I have been sorta busy lately, and there are some 80 bugs on coreutils to go through
[20:35] <cyan-spam> hm ok
[20:35] <cyan-spam> i assume this is in response to my mentor request?
[20:35] <charlie-tca> Please, as these pages get re-written, let's not forget the dirivatives. So much is being centered on Ubuntu only again
[20:36] <cyan-spam> charlie-tca: are there any glaring places i ignored derivatives?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> Haven't looked that over good yet. more and more, I see references to "in gnome" or "in ubuntu" and it leaves out kubuntu and xubuntu mythbuntu
[20:38] <charlie-tca> I'm trying to read it now
[20:38] <cyan-spam> charlie-tca: ok. i was about to submit... want me to wait?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> No, go ahead. We can add later if we need to.
[20:38] <cyan-spam> ok
[20:39] <charlie-tca> I think you waited long enough already... ;-(
[20:39] <cyan-spam> hehe
[20:39] <cyan-spam> i think this /page/ has waited long enough
[20:39] <hggdh> cyan-spam: yes, it can be in response ;-)
[20:40] <charlie-tca> yeah, that sounds right.
[20:40] <charlie-tca> hggdh: I am trying to get back up to par on bugs. Then I will take on mentee's.
[20:40] <cyan-spam> hggdh: haha, ok. i mentioned on my wiki page that i've been going through bugs without a package in my free time lately. it doesn't seem too many people have been working on that.
[20:41] <hggdh> charlie-tca: great news (cuz this means you are doing better)!
[20:41] <charlie-tca> This is true, too
[20:41] <hggdh> cyan-spam: OK. Would you like me as your mentor?
[20:41] <cyan-spam> hggdh: if you have time! i know you are involved in a lot
[20:43] <hggdh> cyan-spam: OK, I will accept you & mark the wiki accordingly
[20:43] <yofel> cyan-spam: heh, I look through no-package bugs too, now if that bug count would actually start decreasing...
[20:44] <cyan-spam> yofel: seriously. it's never-ending!
[20:44] <charlie-tca> cyan-spam: the parts about "Launch System - Preferences"; Xubuntu doesn't have that at all; I don't think kubuntu does either
[20:44] <cyan-spam> hggdh: sweet, thanks!
[20:44] <yofel> I'm looking though the older ones right now, there are a lot from the karmic testing phase that weren't looked at at all
[20:44] <charlie-tca> that whole paragraph applies to gnome desktop environment only
[20:45] <cyan-spam> charlie-tca: the "application without a menu" part? you're right.
[20:45] <charlie-tca> The first section under Determining the Executable Path
[20:46] <cyan-spam> after all, what /is/ the policy for derivatives? which derivatives are we supposed to include?
[20:46] <cyan-spam> i tried to stick with ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu since those are listed as "officially supported" on ubuntu.com
[20:46] <cyan-spam> though that section is obviously missing kubuntu.
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Official recognized derivatives stick to the wiki pages as much as possible
[20:47] <cyan-spam> so all wiki pages should support ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu studio, mythbuntu? (i know there's overlap)
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, Netmix, and I think Mythbuntu/mythtv now
[20:48] <cyan-spam> netmix forgot that one too
[20:48] <cyan-spam> that's quite a list...
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Yeah, and we all have to change how it works, just to make it worse
[20:48] <yofel> cyan-spam: the menu-editor in kde is launched with: right click the application launcher -> Menu Editor
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu has no menu-editor
[20:49] <cyan-spam> yofel: if you'd like to add instructions for kubuntu that would be awesome. i don't have kde installed
[20:49] <charlie-tca> That's why I said we will add/change it as needed. The main thing is get something usable out there
[20:49] <yofel> cyan-spam: might do that over the weekend, but it would be nice if your page could be uploaded first so I have a clean page to work with
[20:50] <yofel> cyan-spam: exactly
[20:50] <yofel> charlie-tca: ^^^
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I'll go through this weekend too
[20:50] <cyan-spam> charlie-tca: ok
[20:50] <cyan-spam> yofel: i've submitted it already
[20:50] <cyan-spam> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Great job on it, by the way
[20:51] <cyan-spam> charlie-tca: thank you :)
[20:51] <charlie-tca> We like usable pages
[20:51] <cyan-spam> haha me too.
[20:52] <cyan-spam> i hated telling bug reporters to look at that page when i could barely use it myself!
[20:55] <cyan-spam> hggdh: so what are the next steps?
[20:56] <hggdh> cyan-spam: you can pretty much keep on doing what you are doing now -- and, of course, you can ask any questions you want to, to myself or anybody else here.
[20:56] <hggdh> cyan-spam: meanwhile, I will be checking your bug work from now on :-)
[21:13] <cyan-spam> hggdh: ok, sounds good. i'll have to behave then ;)
[21:13] <cyan-spam> signing off for now
[21:13] <cyan-spam> see yall
[21:25] <yofel> bdmurray: again about the lp-scripts. The file that needs to be updated with a newer kernel response is http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/greasemonkey/bugsquad-replies.xml . I have no idea who has to do that and you're the only one I know I can ask ^^
[21:25] <bdmurray> yofel: please pastebin or e-mail me what you think the response should be and I'll look at changing it
[21:27] <yofel> bdmurray: all I want is it to use the response from the wiki. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Debugging%20Kernel%20General The one it uses right now is the old one.
[21:28] <hggdh> yofel: would you be willing to try bug 264313 fwith a coreutils from GIT?
[21:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 264313 in coreutils "ls --color hangs for directories linked from network " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264313
[21:29] <yofel> hggdh: sure
[21:29] <hggdh> (I mean, git clone git://git.gnu.org/coreutils, and go from there ;-)
[21:29] <yofel> though thinking a bit more about the issue I guess this is ls trying to find out if the link is broken or not and NFS hanging itself up to not lose data
[21:29] <hggdh> or I could start packaging it
[21:30] <hggdh> but only happens with --color, right?
[21:30] <bdmurray> yofel: okay, got it
[21:31] <yofel> hggdh: yes, but only --color actually cares if a link is broken or not (different color)
[21:31] <hggdh> ah, yes
[21:31]  * hggdh does not have any remote fs to test on
[21:31] <yofel> I'll test git now anyway
[21:32] <hggdh> yofel: you will also need automake 1.11.1, Lucid carries 1.11
[21:32] <hggdh> so... git clone git://git.gnu.org/automake
[21:33] <hggdh> upstream is going now to 8.3, and we are still at 7.4...
[23:48] <xteejx> hi all
[23:49] <xteejx> bug 228302, marked it as metabug - high chance of more dupes, but doesn't seem to be anyone taking a look at it, its prob a kernel bug
[23:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 228302 in baltix "[KARMIC] No DMA nor 32bits IO support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/228302
[23:57] <micahg> xteejx: you might want to poke the kernel team
[23:57] <micahg> since it's triaged already
[23:57] <xteejx> micahg: Hi!! and irc you mean?#
[23:57] <micahg> xteejx: yep, in #ubuntu-kernel
[23:58] <xteejx> micahg: kool will do that if anyones awake and not snowed in!!