[01:46] <oops> clear
[01:49] <oops> my wired connection is unmanaged , manged option has set to true in NetworkManged.conf
[01:54] <Bashing-om> ooowhat is the renderer in the /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml file ?
[01:54] <Bashing-om> oops: ^
[01:56] <oops> Bashing-on: the 01-network-manager-all.yaml file always has error ,and i can't use "netplan apply" successfully, i has deleted it
[01:58] <oops> Bashing-on: if it relate to that file, can i create a empty 01-network-manager-all.yaml file? or are there any methods to auto-generate it ?
[01:59] <Bashing-om> oops: That file " # Let NetworkManager manage all devices on this system" - without it you will have to set up some alternate - Not in my field of experience there :(
[02:00] <oops> Bashing-om: the netplan 's yaml file is too hard to let work well although it's only several rows
[02:01] <oops> Bashing-om: could you give me a example, then i copy it under my netplan directory
[02:02] <Bashing-om> oops: I can pastebin the file I have, sure.
[02:06] <Bashing-om> oops: https://termbin.com/xypi - yaml file - spaces and tabs must be exact so take care.
[02:09] <Bashing-om> oops: Is this a desktop machine whare you can use systemd-networkd for networking ? as a thought.
[02:14] <oops> Bashing-om: systemd seems for server render, NetworkManger is for desktop , you post file is too simple, it's better to have a yaml file which include several options , if  i have need to add attribute , then i can modify it directly ,
[02:15] <Bashing-om> oops: see: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan .
[02:17] <oops> Bashing-om: ok, thanks,
[02:19] <Bashing-om> oops: :D
[02:21] <b0nn> Hi all, I'm trying to install python 3.8 on hirsute, but someone has deleted it from the available packages
[02:21] <b0nn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hirsute/amd64/python3.8
[02:22] <Bashing-om> !info python3 hirsute
[02:23] <Bashing-om> b0nn: ^^
[02:23] <b0nn> Yeah, for reasons I need 3.8
[02:23] <oerheks> no downgrade possible, and if you want it, build it yourself. and fix the problems after that.
[02:24] <oerheks> or make a VM with focal fossa 20.04 LTS
[02:25] <b0nn> that's an idea
[02:25] <b0nn> or a container
[03:02] <triteraflops> So, is python still python2 in ubuntu?
[03:03] <Bashing-om> !info python3 hirsute | triteraflops
[03:04] <triteraflops> well, of coutse there is a python3 package. I mean which python does /usr/bin/python point to these days?
[03:06] <Bashing-om> triteraflops: "sysop@2004x-c:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/python" >> ls: cannot access '/usr/bin/python': No such file or directory .
[03:06] <triteraflops> woah, wasn't expecting that...
[03:07] <triteraflops> Is that just because you don't have python2 installed?
[03:07] <oerheks> to /usr/bin/python3 i guess.. there is a python-is-python2 package, not recommended
[03:08] <Bashing-om> triteraflops: "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 11  2020 /usr/bin/python3 -> python3.8".
[03:20] <triteraflops> well the link from python3 to python3.8 is pretty normal
[03:20] <triteraflops> wow, so no /usr/bin/python. Aren't a lot of scripts going to fail?
[03:21] <triteraflops> unless there's a python somewhere else in the path...
[03:22] <triteraflops> I'd look myself, but there isn't a fast way to do it. I use archlinux.
[03:22] <triteraflops> I'd have to set up a virtual machine or something.
[03:23] <triteraflops> I was just wondering what to expect if somebody tries to run my python scripts on ubuntu
[03:23] <kushal> triteraflops, many upstream packages are now Python3 only, as there will be no updates in Python2 from the Python core developers.
[03:26] <Bashing-om> triteraflops: My bash scripts # Force specific Python version >> PYTHON="python3" .
[03:28] <triteraflops> It's also a thing in android development. A lot of the scripts assume there's /some/ kind of python in your path that is just called "python"
[03:37] <Bashing-om> triteraflops: ^^ That is as far as my needs/thinking has gone for python :(
[03:53] <triteraflops> Well, still, it's good to know. Portable scripts 100% cannot rely on the existence of a python that is just called "python".
[04:29] <oerheks> android development.. python2 .. serious?
[04:32] <Guest95> how big is the extracted iso as i am tring to duel boot win 11 and ubuntu and i do not have a external storage  medium
[04:33] <oerheks> the 'extracted' iso is as big as the iso
[04:33] <oerheks> booting such iso needs grub to be installed already
[04:34] <Guest95> ok so how big is it in MBs
[04:34] <oerheks> look at https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ ?
[04:34] <oerheks> too many iso;s
[04:39] <triteraflops> oerheks: yeah lol
[04:39] <triteraflops> oerheks: but this notion may be outdated. That's actually what I'm testing right now.
[04:41] <triteraflops> oerheks: see, for instance, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Android#Building_the_code
[04:42] <triteraflops> oerheks: er actually see here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Android#Setting_up_the_build_environment
[04:42] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/androidsdk
[04:44] <triteraflops> oerheks: Oh, not developing for android. Developing android.
[05:27] <thyriaen> howdy, friends - after installing an icon theme (newaita) into ~/.icons and chosing it with gnome-tweaks previews of pictures in the default file explorer no longer work
[08:30] <BurnOS> hello
[08:30] <BurnOS> sorry I couldn't msg though freenode so I changed the server
[08:31] <BurnOS> so is there anyway to make custom Ubuntu distro
[08:34] <BurnOS> hello
[08:36] <sixwheeledbeast> Depends what you mean, do you just want your own build or are you planning on setting up and shipping distros to people.
[08:38] <BurnOS> so is there any documentation on it sixwheeledbeast
[08:39] <TJ-> BurnOS: what do you mean by 'custom Ubuntu distro' ? A customised installer (customising packages/configs) for internal use?
[08:39] <BurnOS> yes
[08:43] <BurnOS> I want to make my own distribution with many functions and more utilities
[08:47] <sixwheeledbeast> Maybe start with LFS. https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[08:48] <BurnOS> ok
[10:17] <brandoneliza> I had used "modprobe -r wacom" to remove the wacom module now even if I compile from source and reinstall for the current kernel "lsmod|grep wacom" shows nothing even after restart
[10:18] <brandoneliza> I don't know these commands very well and I think I goofed up somewhere there are no compile errors.
[10:24] <brandoneliza> hmm managed to solve the issue.
[10:27] <tuxick> heh, lfs would be a bit of a challenge nowadays
[10:27] <tuxick> done that looong ago
[10:42] <victor_> hello
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> welcome victor_
[10:42] <victor_> thanks :-)
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you today victor_
[10:44] <victor_> i need some help on ubuntu 18.04 heh , i have Dell Latitude 7420 laptop , i installed 18.04 on it , but there is a problem with the built in display driver , it`s Unknown for some reason , and cant find a decent solution for it over the web/forums
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> victor_: can you pastebin sudo lshw -C video please
[10:45] <victor_> over here or private msg?
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> here in the channel please, so other volunteers can also think along with your issue victor_
[10:45] <victor_>  *-display UNCLAIMED
[10:45] <victor_>        description: VGA compatible controller
[10:45] <victor_>        product: Intel Corporation
[10:45] <victor_>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[10:45] <victor_>        physical id: 2
[10:45] <victor_>        bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> !paste | victor_
[10:47] <victor_> !pastebinit
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> victor_: unclaimed means driver didnt pickup for some reason, can you pastebin dmesg too please
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> !dmesg | victor_
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> lets stay here victor_ in public
[10:52] <victor_> yeah ok , im trying to understand how to use this pstebin command :-)
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> its explained in the factoid above victor_
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit
[10:58] <victor_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WR6bbsswX3/
[10:58] <victor_> hold on , ill do the dmesg
[11:00] <victor_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YxPTP4Z66W/
[11:00] <victor_> there ya go
[11:00] <victor_> 10x
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> victor_: could you try to disable secureboot and see if your issue persists?
[11:04] <victor_> yup , hold on
[11:06] <webchat53> I'm interested in what I need to do in UEFI (BIOS) before installing ubuntu. The configuration is Lenovo IdeaPad UltraSlim 3 Intel Core i5 1135G7 2.40GHz 12GB 512GB SSD FreeDOS 15.6 "IPS Full HD Intel Iris Xe Graphics? Which is the recommended version of ubuntu 20.04TLS or ubuntu 21.04 thanks
[11:22] <tuxick> hah, installer on 21 is no better
[11:22] <tuxick> after creating logical volumes myself it's stuck in "ubi-partman crashed"
[11:23] <tuxick> can't close this eithe
[11:23] <EriC^^> webchat53: 20.04 is better imho, you wont have to upgrade for a while
[11:27] <tuxick> it has a cute splash screen though
[11:28] <victor_> lotus , its disabled now... but still display driver is unknown
[11:32] <victor_> is there anything else maybe on your mind that could help? :-)
[11:36] <victor_> somebody? anybody? hehe :-)
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:39] <donofrio> victor_, just lurk someone will reply when they can (irc is sometimes hours or days)
[11:45] <webchat53> EriC^^: thanks, that's what I thought, the only thing that bothers me is that everything needs to be done in UEFI (BIOS) before installation. Intel i5 11gen supports ubuntu, are there any problems with SSD?
[11:47] <EriC^^> webchat53: ssd shouldn't be a problem, uefi isnt a big deal, if you run into any problems you can ask around in the channel, should be fixable
[11:47] <webchat53> thanks
[11:47] <victor_> thanks donofrio
[11:47] <EriC^^> no problem
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> victor_: sorry i was afk, i found this in your dmesg: drm] Your graphics device 9a49 is not properly supported by the driver in this
[11:50] <lotuspsychje>                kernel version. To force driver probe anyway, use i915.force_probe=9a49
[11:50] <lotuspsychje>                module parameter or CONFIG_DRM_I915_FORCE_PROBE=9a49 configuration option,
[11:50] <lotuspsychje>                or (recommended) check for kernel updates.
[11:51] <avrdude> I've just installed ubuntu server 20.04 on my rpi4, and when i log into the user ubuntu, the home-folder is empty.. is that normal?
[11:52] <waveform> avrdude, yes -- you won't see Pictures / Downloads / etc. -- those are only the default on desktop images
[11:53] <waveform> (there should be some "hidden" dotfiles, .bashrc and the like though, copied from /etc/skel)
[11:54] <avrdude> True, the hidden files are there.. ok, I'll make my own folders then, thanks!
[12:10] <victor_> thanks lotus
[12:25] <tuxick> how can i915 driver be a problem?
[12:25] <tuxick> unless trying to use it on wrong hardware :)
[12:26] <tuxick> avrdude: what are you expecting to find there?
[12:27] <tuxick> pff, managed to install 21 using a sane lvm layout
[12:28] <tuxick> had to drag it into this century kicking and screaming
[12:29] <Mekaneck> tuxick: if you just want to chat move over to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[12:32] <victor_> lotus , i tried to update kernel to the latest version 5.6.17  with ukuu , and the problem remains , still unknow display
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> victor_: try that kernel parameter your dmesg reccomends; use i915.force_probe=9a49
[13:03] <victor_> lotus , im sorry im alittle bit newbie in linux , how do i change the parameter? ill be glade if you can give me some instruction on private msg (sorry for bothering)
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> !kernelparm | victor_
[13:13] <Sven_vB> Hi! Using Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS focal, how can I get libc6 (>= 2.32) and libx11-xcb1 (>= 2:1.6.12)? I seem to need those for waterfox: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/005eefe0
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> !info libx11-xcb1 focal
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> Sven_vB: !pinning or !backports perhaps?
[13:18] <Sven_vB> apt says "Version of libx11-xcb1:amd64 on system is 2:1.6.9-2ubuntu1.2." so it agrees with ubottu
[13:18] <Sven_vB> oh, sorry, now I get it
[13:18] <Sven_vB> !backports
[13:38] <Sven_vB> !info libx11-xcb1 focal-backports
[13:38] <Sven_vB> !info libc6 focal-backports
[13:39] <Sven_vB> it seems I already have backports in my apt sources. do the bot replies mean it's expected to not make a difference to have them?
[13:40] <Sven_vB> !pinning
[13:51] <victor_> lotus , thank you very much , it worked like a charm!!!!!!
[13:51] <victor_> u rock
[14:34] <larkfisherman> Hey guys, how can I configure bluetoothd on Ubuntu 18.04 to accept all bluetooth connections without requiring PIN entry?
[14:34] <larkfisherman> or at least without requiring PIN entry on the server side
[14:35] <webchat40> Hi everyone, today I had an update which I was installing and my laptop freezed due to other processes I was working on, so I force shutdown my system. Next thing I see that I et a black screen with blinking underscore. So I tried running my tty and I did a update, upgrade and a dpkg --configure
[14:36] <webchat40> The system now shows me to my logic screen(gui) but I get "Sorry that didn't work" kinda error
[14:36] <leftyfb> larkfisherman: you don't, that's not how BT pairing works. If the BT device requires a pin, you cannot configure your device to just ignore it.
[14:36] <webchat40> Any help would be helpful. Thanks :)
[14:38] <BluesKaj> dpkg --configure -a ?
[14:40] <webchat40> Right BluesKaj
[14:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:40] <webchat40> Sorry for skipping it
[14:41] <webchat40> There were two libraries that were configured wrong: linux headers
[14:41] <webchat40> and the other I can't recall
[14:42] <webchat40> Also I tried changing my root password from the recovery mode
[14:43] <larkfisherman> leftyfb: Oh well. Can I at least set up a predefined PIN, or is it hardcoded to generate a new one for every connection?
[14:44] <leftyfb> larkfisherman: If a BT device requires a pin, you cannot configure your device to just ignore it. Once you pair to the device using the pin it requests, then you shouldn't be asked for the pin anymore because you should be paired at that point
[14:44] <BeneditoSalvador> i'm having an issue with the snap version of kdenlive, the rendering process doesn't start, it justs shows 'waiting'
[15:21] <webchat40> webchat40
[15:21] <webchat40> 20:05:41
[15:21] <webchat40> Hi everyone, today I had an update which I was installing and my laptop freezed due to other processes I was working on, so I force shutdown my system. Next thing I see that I et a black screen with blinking underscore. So I tried running my tty and I did a update, upgrade and a dpkg --configure > Also I'm able to log in my tty but not in the gui
[15:21] <webchat40> login screen
[15:25] <ioria> webchat40, are you logged in tty as normal  user  or something else ?
[15:27] <webchat40> ioria like a normal user, I assume with the same name as that of my login id
[15:28] <ioria> webchat40,  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:44] <webchat40> ioria: Sorry to make you wait, but it's taking longer than usual
[15:44] <ioria> ok
[15:44] <webchat40> like the progress is around 61% now
[15:45] <webchat40> Out of curiosity, what do you think could be the reason?
[15:45] <ioria> webchat40,  the reason of what ?
[15:46] <webchat40> That I cannot login in my system, from the login page
[15:46] <ioria> webchat40,  a broken7uncomplete  update (maybe)
[15:47] <webchat40> it's around 99% and I see a line: dpkg: error processing package linux-headers-5.4.0-77 (--configure)
[15:47] <webchat40> Ohh^
[15:48] <webchat40> Actually this the first time I'm facing this kind of an issue
[15:48] <ioria> webchat40,  let it finisces
[15:48] <ioria> finishes
[15:48] <webchat40> Yeah sure
[15:48] <ioria> webchat40,  what's your actual kernel ? uname -r
[15:49] <webchat40> should I run in another tty?
[15:49] <ioria> yes
[15:50] <webchat40> ioria: 5.8.0-63-generic
[15:51] <ioria> webchat40,  cat /etc/issue
[15:51] <webchat40> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS \n \1
[15:52] <ioria> ok
[15:52] <webchat40> errors were encountered while processing :
[15:52] <webchat40> linux-headers-5.4.0-77
[15:52] <webchat40> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:53] <ioria> webchat40,  dpkg -l | grep linux-headers  | nc termbin.com 9999     (you'll get an url, paste it here please)
[15:53] <webchat40> ^This was returned for the command: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:53] <ioria> yeah i know
[15:53] <ioria> webchat40,  dpkg -l | grep linux-headers  | nc termbin.com 9999     (you'll get an url, paste it here please)
[15:54] <webchat40> https://termbin.com/8y98
[15:55] <ioria> webchat40,  sudo apt purge linux-headers-5.4.0-77
[15:56] <webchat40> processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[15:57] <webchat40> ^ ioria
[15:57] <ioria> webchat40,  can you paste the output ?
[15:57] <webchat40> sure
[15:58] <leftyfb> webchat40: sudo apt purge linux-headers-5.4.0-77 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:58] <leftyfb> my guess is /boot is out of space
[15:58] <webchat40> yeah I caught that up :)
[15:58] <webchat40> quite useful
[15:58] <webchat40> termbin command
[15:58] <webchat40> https://termbin.com/52x91
[15:59] <webchat40> https://termbin.com/52x9l
[15:59] <webchat40> wait a min
[15:59] <webchat40> I used use a -y flag
[15:59] <ioria> webchat40,  we want the error ....
[15:59] <webchat40> https://termbin.com/iuul
[16:00] <ioria> webchat40,  sudo dpkg -P --force-all linux-headers-5.4.0-77
[16:00] <webchat40> Is it okay? ioria
[16:00] <webchat40> ok
[16:00] <ioria> yes
[16:00] <ioria> webchat40,  sudo dpkg -P --force-all linux-headers-5.4.0-77
[16:04] <webchat40> ioria: https://share.riseup.net/#KWOep4w4WXbYRktozQf9mA
[16:05] <leftyfb> I would try reinstalling it then removing it
[16:05] <webchat40> I ran the command first, so couldn't get the paste link
[16:05] <leftyfb> webchat40: sudo apt install --reinstall linux-headers-5.4.0-77 && sudo apt purge linux-headers-5.4.0-77
[16:05] <thyriaen> howdy - my internal soundcard+headphones stopped "working" : in the sound menu the device is there but no speakers are when hitting the test feature - no sound comes out of the headphone : the only exception is totem - running 21.04 - my onboard sound works, headphones work on a different machine
[16:06] <ioria> webchat40, ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-headers-5.4.0-77*   | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:06] <thyriaen> strangely my headphones don't work with onboard sound
[16:06] <webchat40> leftyfb: But don't you think it's already been removed?
[16:07] <webchat40> ok ioria
[16:07] <leftyfb> webchat40: I think it's been half-removed which is the problem
[16:08] <webchat40> ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-headers-5.4.0-77*   | nc termbin.com 9999 > No such file or directory
[16:08] <ioria> webchat40, ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-headers*   | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:08] <webchat40> leftyfb: actually I couldn't find .. && sudo apt purge linux-headers-5.4.0-77
[16:09] <ioria> webchat40, ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-headers*   | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:09] <webchat40> ioria: https://termbin.com/sdd8
[16:10] <ioria> webchat40,  sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq linux-headers-5.4.0-77
[16:10] <jbo> Hi there - I'm having trouble booting my laptop. Grub appears, and the initrd gets me to the cryptsetup splash screen, but it stalls at "waiting for device with UUID=...". Booting a liveUSB, there is no block device for my SSD, and dmesg has errors from the ext4 driver. In the UEFI/BIOS, I can see the SSD. It's an NVME SSD. I don't understand how it's ok booting from it to get to the initrd/cryptsetup phase,
[16:11] <jbo> but that it's broken-enough that linux won't show it as a block device. Any advice?
[16:13] <webchat40> ioria: dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove  linux-headers-5.4.0-77 which isn't installed
[16:13] <ioria> webchat40,  againsudo apt full-upgrade
[16:14] <ioria> webchat40,  again sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:15] <webchat40> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:15] <ioria> webchat40,  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:15] <webchat40> nothing displayed
[16:15] <ioria> webchat40,  dpkg -l | grep linux-headers  | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:16] <webchat40> https://termbin.com/dcim
[16:17] <ioria> webchat40,  sudo autoremove --purge
[16:17] <ioria> webchat40,  sudo apt autoremove --purge
[16:18] <leftyfb> ioria: am I missing something? Looks like it's fixed now. Maybe --reinstall the latest kernel just to be sure
[16:18] <ioria> leftyfb, let's see
[16:18] <webchat40> The command was successfully executed
[16:19] <webchat40> rather without any errors
[16:19] <ioria> leftyfb, try a reboot and login as your user
[16:19] <leftyfb> webchat40: ^
[16:19] <webchat40> ok
[16:20] <thyriaen> can someone please assist me with my sound issue - or recommend a linux/sound channel for me ?
[16:22] <leftyfb> !pateince | thyriaen
[16:22] <leftyfb> !patience | thyriaen
[16:23] <thyriaen> leftyfb, thanks <3
[16:24] <webchat40> ioria: nope it isn't logging in
[16:24] <ioria> webchat40, log in tty
[16:25] <ioria> webchat40,  and run  sudo systemctl restart gdm
[16:25] <webchat40> ok
[16:27] <webchat40> It again started from the blank black screen and then in the login screen
[16:27] <webchat40> But still wasn't able to login
[16:28] <ioria> webchat40,  were you using X11 or wayland ?
[16:29] <webchat40> I've no idea what these are
[16:29] <ioria> webchat40,  are you using nvidia ?
[16:29] <webchat40> no
[16:30] <ioria> webchat40,  dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:31] <webchat40> https://termbin.com/xt8l4
[16:31] <ioria> webchat40,  do you get an error when the gui login fails ?
[16:32] <webchat40> "Sorry that didn't work. Please try again."
[16:33] <webchat40> This displays below the password input box
[16:35] <ioria> webchat40,  let's create a new user    'sudo adduser test'
[16:35] <webchat40> I had already done it before
[16:36] <webchat40> before as in before this
[16:36] <ioria> and ?
[16:36] <webchat40> Still it didn't work
[16:36] <webchat40> But I didn't make it after following your approach
[16:36] <webchat40> So should I still make it?
[16:36] <ioria> webchat40,  yes, then you just remove it     'sudo adduser test'
[16:37] <webchat40> ioria hooray I'm in
[16:37] <ioria> webchat40,  really ?
[16:38] <webchat40> I was using numerical password this whole type
[16:38] <webchat40> I don't know I just tried radom aphanumeric keys and it worked
[16:38] <ioria> webchat40,  what you mean exactly ?
[16:38] <leftyfb> huh?
[16:38] <webchat40> like I was using 123456 as my passwd before
[16:39] <webchat40> but I wasn't able to login
[16:39] <webchat40> I just setup my password as qwerty
[16:39] <webchat40> and it works
[16:39] <ioria> ok
[16:39] <webchat40> idk if that qualifies as an answer
[16:39] <webchat40> but it is kinda absurd
[16:40] <webchat40> I'll just try changing my password to alphanumeric ones
[16:40] <webchat40> to check if what I'm saying is correct or not
[16:40] <ioria> webchat40, ok
[16:40] <ioria> brb in a few
[16:40] <webchat40> yeah sure and thanks too :)
[16:42] <webchat40> indeed that works, weird
[16:43] <webchat40> because I was able to login in tty
[16:43] <webchat40> and for the gui screen I was still able to see the numbers using the unhide thing
[16:45] <JayDoubleu> What's the script with M1 devices, anyone knows if it's possible to run Linux on it without virtualization?
[16:48] <leftyfb> JayDoubleu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQvbPw3IjA
[16:49] <leftyfb> JayDoubleu: that said, it's not officially supported by Ubuntu just yet
[16:52] <ioria> webchat40, so can you access your main user ?
[16:52] <webchat40> Yes
[16:52] <ioria> ok, very good
[16:52] <webchat40> But still couldn't find the issue
[16:53] <ioria> password issue i guess
[16:53] <webchat40> From the steps you performed, it looked to me like a kernel issue?
[16:53] <ioria> that was another story
[16:54] <webchat40> Password issue, let's say from all places where I set my passwd, I couldn't see them
[16:54] <webchat40> but still it was correctly configured in the tty
[16:54] <webchat40> and not the gui version
[16:55] <webchat40> Kinda weird and embarrassing
[16:55] <webchat40> Thanks for your time tho :D
[16:55] <webchat40> and leftyfb you too
[17:24] <weedmic> i swapped out the gpu in my kids computer to the standard 1050ti (only their computer was something else, maybe a 210gx - don't remember), anyway, in driver management today i noticed it isnot using the same nvidia driver as the rest of the computers v460.  it is working, but some games have digital movement.  how do i tell the computer to use 1050ti drivers instead of what ever was left on it?
[17:27] <weedmic> soz - closed wrong window
[17:32] <weedmic> what do i type in to get "software & updates" at the konsole?
[17:35] <ioria> software-properties-gtk
[17:36] <nedbat> I have an ansible installation that is trying to install mysql-client 5.7.34-1ubuntu18.04.  That package no longer exists, so I have to change it to 5.7.35-1ubuntu18.04.  1) why are packages removed? That seems needlessly disruptive. 2) is there a syntax I can use like 5.7.*-1ubuntu18.04 so that I don't have to manually update the number?
[17:37] <leftyfb> nedbat: "state: latest" ?
[17:37] <weedmic> ty
[17:37] <leftyfb> nedbat: any reason you need to specify an exact version of the package?
[17:38] <nedbat> leftyfb: so I would use name=mysql-client, and state=latest ?
[17:39] <nedbat> leftyfb: i need it to be 5.7, not 8.0
[17:39] <weedmic> how can i tell if a driver was put in "held" to prevent it from being upgraded?  synaptic?
[17:41] <leftyfb> nedbat: telling ansible to install mysql-client on ubuntu 18.04 will install version 5.7.34-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> which is the latest version of that package. There is no 8. version available in ubuntu 18.04
[17:41] <alzgh> I'm on Ubuntu focal. How can I find out which package installed/installs a specific command/tool? Say `ip` or `route`?
[17:42] <nedbat> leftyfb: I'm installing on 20.04
[17:43] <leftyfb> nedbat: in that case, only version 8.0.25-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is available and supported on ubuntu 20.04
[17:43] <nedbat> leftyfb: installing 5.7.35-1ubuntu18.04 works fine.
[17:44] <leftyfb> nedbat: looks like you probably have 18.04 repo's added to your 20.04 install or manually downloaded the 18.04 packages and installed that way. Either way, that's not supported
[17:45] <weedmic> bbl - ty anyway
[17:45] <leftyfb> nedbat: or added a 3rd party repo or PPA
[17:45] <leftyfb> alzgh: I use apt-file
[17:46] <nedbat> leftyfb: yes, we've added other PPAs. I'll set aside the question of whether it is supported or not for now.  What syntax could I use in ansible so that I don't have to change this version manually when the package is removed?
[17:47] <leftyfb> nedbat: I would suggest giving your PPA a higher priority, that way "latest" should always install from your PPA
[17:50] <nedbat> leftyfb: thanks.  When I use "apt-cache policy mysql-client" I see three versions listed. Are those in priority order?
[17:51] <leftyfb> nedbat: yes, the "500" you see at the beginning of them is the priority
[17:52] <nedbat> leftyfb: thanks. my web dev senses were kicking in, and the "500" to me looked like error status codes :)
[17:57] <nedbat> leftyfb: is there a way to set the priority other than editing a text file?
[17:58] <leftyfb> nedbat: I don't know. What's wrong with configuring apt to prefer the version from your repo if that is what you're looking to do?
[17:59] <nedbat> leftyfb: i'm an apt newb so I'm sure I'm missing better solutions, and I'm working in a large ansible codebase, so I'm outside my comfort zone in a few ways.
[18:00] <leftyfb> nedbat: creating a config file for pinning your PPA is probably the best way to accomplish your goal
[18:00] <leftyfb> nedbat: create a template or write out a file or block or whatever way you prefer
[18:00] <nedbat> leftyfb: sorry for the continuing questions, but what config file would that be?
[18:01] <leftyfb> nedbat: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/02/set-package-ppa-apt-repository-priority-ubuntu/
[18:02] <nedbat> leftyfb: thanks
[18:44] <udevd> latest upgrade of nvidia drivers (libnvidia-common-460:amd64 (460.80-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> to 460.91.03-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) and related packages) likely broke my setup, rendering some games inoperable. How can I revert the change? apt can't find the old version, and googling it does not help.
[18:48] <ramblebamble> udevd, not eveh apt-madison finding it?
[18:48] <branon> I've got issues with mouse cursor on 21.04, performance is fine but then I start moving the mouse and the entire desktop tanks
[18:48] <branon> Things stutter and the mouse lags across this screen
[18:49] <branon> This only happens after some uptime, and goes away if I reboot
[18:49] <branon> I'm using AMD hardware (FX GPU, Radeon RX GPU)
[18:49] <sarnold> udevd: you can find all the packages via the launchpad page for the source package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-460
[18:51] <sarnold> udevd: though I think -460 was new in focal this update, so you might need to look for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-450 or whatever version you had installed previously
[18:52] <udevd> sarnold: ramblebamble: thanks, I will took into this. /var/log/apt/history.log suggests it was a regular upgrade (from -460 to newer -460)
[18:55] <ramblebamble> udevd, you should be able to query for ALL versions of a package using madison
[18:55] <ramblebamble> apt-cache madison <packagename>
[18:55] <udevd> yeah, I'm trying to find out what madison is since it's the first time I'm hearing about it :P
[18:56] <ramblebamble> and then apt-get  install <package>=version
[18:56] <udevd> ramblebamble: … and this query returns only mirrors of 460.91.03-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[18:57] <udevd> (so the supposedly offending version)
[18:58] <sarnold> old versions are removed from the archives when they're no longer referred to by the lists
[18:58] <sarnold> which is why I gave you the link to launchpad, so you can download them by hand from there
[18:58] <ramblebamble> I only run ubuntu on the server and do not have a graphicscard there so I would need to have a hunch
[18:59] <ramblebamble> maybe the mirror only provides the latest version_
[18:59] <ramblebamble> also consider marking the package as hold so next time you will not have that problem
[18:59] <ramblebamble> apt-mark hold <package>
[18:59] <udevd> sarnold: thanks, but there is only the newer version there for 20.04: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-460
[19:00] <ramblebamble> that is the nice thing about ubuntu, you can update packaes independently
[19:00] <sarnold> udevd: check the "View full publishing history" link on the upper right hand side
[19:00] <udevd> oh, right!
[19:00] <sarnold> udevd: or "The Focal Fossa" link in the middle of the page, that'll be easier to go through :)
[19:01] <sarnold> udevd: sorry, I rarely use the per-series one, but it'd be easier to find the one you want in that list, hehe
[19:12] <Roey> Hello. I'm trying to reset my bluetooth with "sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop", and it just hangs there with the message "Stopping bluetooth (via systemctl): bluetooth.service".  What's going on here, how do I make it work??
[19:12] <ramblebamble> Roey, what does "journalectl -r" tell you?
[19:14] <genii> You might want sudo systemctl restart bluetooth.service   ...instead
[19:15] <goddard> i heard wayland is default in 21.04 but i am on 21.04 and i dont see the ability to change to wayland
[19:15] <goddard> or x for that matter
[19:15] <ramblebamble> goddard, where are you looking and have you installed the other display server?
[19:16] <goddard> ramblebamble: i dont know i just did a fresh install of 21.04 like a month ago
[19:16] <goddard> i thought it was going to be default
[19:16] <goddard> i have to install it?
[19:17] <Roey> ramblebamble: hey there,
[19:17] <leftyfb> goddard: in a terminal on the machine, run: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[19:17] <goddard> its x11
[19:17] <goddard> i saw it in gnome settings
[19:17] <Roey> ramblebamble: https://pastebin.com/VJVnYciD
[19:17] <goddard> but your command says that as well
[19:19] <ramblebamble> goddard look for wayland, if found install it log out and log in, in your log-in screen the option to choose a display-server should become available
[19:19] <goddard> looks like in my 61-gdm.rules it is disabled?
[19:19] <goddard> # disable Wayland when using the proprietary nvidia driver
[19:19] <goddard> DRIVER=="nvidia", RUN+="/usr/libexec/gdm-disable-wayland"
[19:20] <ramblebamble> goddard. outta curiosity, what are this .rule-files?
[19:20] <goddard> ramblebamble: logging out doesn't work for me because i have nvidia drivers once the signal goes out i never get it back
[19:20] <goddard> i was hoping wayland would solve it
[19:21] <goddard> /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules
[19:21] <srv> even im running ubuntu on windows subsystem for linux this is a ubuntu problem
[19:21] <udevd> sarnold: hmmm… installing whatever was in nvidia-graphics-drivers-460_460.80.orig-amd64.tar.gz from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-460/460.80-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> didn't help, in fact the screen went completely blank (and typing xrandr --auto blindly didn't help)
[19:21] <srv> ERROR: File not found '/run/cloud-init/instance-data.json'. Provide a path to instance data json file using --instance-data
[19:21] <srv> dpkg: error processing package ubuntu-advantage-tools (--configure):
[19:21] <srv>  installed ubuntu-advantage-tools package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1
[19:21] <srv> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:21] <srv>  ubuntu-advantage-tools
[19:21] <ramblebamble> ahh thx I will look into those, s.th new to learn thx goddard
[19:22] <goddard> np
[19:22] <udevd> thankfully uninstalling it restored it to the previous (usable, but with games not working) state
[19:22] <ramblebamble> Roey, looks to me that there are multiple bluetooth processes running and not propperly shutting down that could be any number of reasons
[19:23] <ramblebamble> start by looing(as root) for the process "ps -aux|grep bluetoo" when the service is stopped, look for the PID file(once the service is stopped) should find references in "systemctl cat bluetoothd"
[19:23] <ramblebamble> delete it if found on disk
[19:23] <ramblebamble> if the service is not running that is
[19:24] <sarnold> udevd: hmm .. I'm a bit worried that you mentioned that tar.gz .. what exactly did you do?
[19:24] <udevd> I'm a little confused though, since nvidia-graphics-drivers-460 is not even searchable from apt, the original updates which (likely) broke my setup were several discrete nvidia packages (libnvidia-common-460 and libxnvctrl0)
[19:25] <udevd> sarnold: simple, I downloaded it, unpacked and there was NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-460.80.run inside
[19:25] <udevd> and naturally I went and ran it
[19:25] <udevd> it was an installer of nvidia drivers
[19:25]  * ramblebamble 's next machine will be amd,
[19:25] <sarnold> udevd: uhoh :( hhmmm...
[19:27] <udevd> well, let's try nouveau :P
[19:28] <sarnold> udevd: so.. there's a *bunch* of different binary packages built by that source package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-460/460.80-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>/+build/21578448  -- for each of the ones that you've got installed, download the corresponding ...-460.80-...20.04.2 package, store them all in one directory; then when you've downloaded them all, you should be able to do sudo apt
[19:28] <sarnold> install ./libnvidia... ./libnvidia-common... ./nvidia-kernelc-common...  etc as needed
[19:29] <udevd> sarnold: will try it :)
[19:30] <goddard> no still no wayland session in gdm
[19:32] <leftyfb> srv: are you using cloud-init?
[19:32] <lantech19446> if i'm setting up a cronjob to run every monday do I have to do */1 I had it setup just with a 1 and the time but it didn't run
[19:32] <leftyfb> lantech19446: you should use a systemd timer instead of cron
[19:33] <lantech19446> are they easier to setup? I couldn't find much of a guide on how to do  it
[19:33] <ramblebamble> goddard what do you use for login?gdm3?
[19:33] <leftyfb> lantech19446: https://opensource.com/article/20/7/systemd-timers
[19:33] <leftyfb> lantech19446: 3rd result on google for "systemd timer"
[19:34] <ramblebamble> it also strikes me as odd that there is a rule for disabling wayland. all I read about wayland is that it is going to be default
[19:34] <lantech19446> i think i may have already looked at this but i'll look again in a minute the computer i'm reinstalling is just finishing up on WDS
[19:34] <ramblebamble> goddard, what package does that rule belong do?
[19:35] <ramblebamble> also see here https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-enable-disable-wayland-on-ubuntu-20-04-desktop
[19:44] <esquizo> hola
[19:45] <branon> ah, wayland was not default prior to 21.04
[19:45] <branon> my intermittent and elusive performance issues may be related to that
[19:46] <branon> never seen them on 20.10
[19:46] <branon> fwiw the switch to wayland was pretty damn smooth
[19:46] <branon> i did not even notice!
[19:47] <branon> some weird stuff happened like my screenshot keybind using slop/maim broke
[19:47] <branon> and i couldn't share screen with MS Teams
[19:47] <branon> but i didn't realize the entire display server had been swapped out
[19:49] <ramblebamble> branon, you were able to use MS TEAMS?  I wasn't able to get it up and running smoothly, could join and type but no listening talking filming or viewing, what did you do?
[19:49] <branon> just installed it from the microsoft repo
[19:49] <branon> well, I had it installed on 20.10
[19:50] <branon> and it was carried over, the only thing that broke was screenshare which i suspect has to do with the switch to wayland as default
[19:50] <branon> but i only tried it once
[19:50] <branon> everything else just werkz
[19:50] <ramblebamble> k thx
[19:50] <ramblebamble> another thing that might break is copying in the cli
[19:51] <ramblebamble> X uses xclip
[19:51] <ramblebamble> which miiiiight not work on wayland, but they have a CLI replacement
[19:52] <branon> screenshot keybind uses xclip, haven't noticed issues with that yet
[19:54] <branon> oh, wait, I also did have issues with copy/paste to/from RDP using freerdp/remmina
[19:55] <branon> hah, this is all starting to make sense now, upgrading remmina fixed that one
[19:58] <ramblebamble> branon, :D my next question would have been if xclip was mad an alias or if the screenshot keybinding isn't in fact using the wayland-version now
[19:59] <branon> true, xclip doesn't seem to be a symlink or script though, it's an executable
[19:59] <branon> and the keybind points to my own script so that's also a no
[20:00] <branon> but maybe xclip itself was patched downstream?
[20:00] <branon> otherwise yeah how could it be working
[20:04] <ramblebamble> branon, it might still be in working order if you run wayland over X
[20:04] <ramblebamble> there is some funky configuration to allow X-applications to work a little while longer if memory serves me right
[20:07] <sarnold> I think the funky thing is to let you run X over wayland
[20:08] <ramblebamble> yeah one way or another s.th. is possible in that direction :)
[20:11] <udevd> sarnold: well, I did manage to revert the changes, but it didn't help. I will try -470, -450 and nouveaux. Thanks for help anyway!
[20:11] <sarnold> udevd: dang :/ I had hopes for that :(
[20:11] <sarnold> udevd: good luck :)
[20:12] <udevd> yeah it is strange, other changes were rather unrelated (+ there was kernel upgrade, but using the old one doesn't change anything)
[20:13] <branon> branon@vishera:~$ echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[20:13] <branon> wayland
[20:13] <branon> ramblebamble: is this wayland or X-over-wayland?
[20:13] <branon> err, wayland-over-X?
[20:14] <branon> it's whatever 21.04's default is, anyway
[20:14] <ramblebamble> branon wayland-over-X
[20:14] <ramblebamble> but you can also start wayland from within X
[20:14] <ramblebamble> but wayland-over-x was the thing I was thinking of
[20:16] <branon> it's not just wayland?
[20:16] <branon> like, ubuntu's default wayland session is using XWayland?
[20:16] <branon> or what is it exactly
[20:17] <ramblebamble> I am not on Wayland ATM so I dunno, just because sway is not support NVIDIA and i3 and awesome do not support wayland
[20:19] <branon> ah, yeah https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland#XWayland
[20:19] <branon> this is why xclip works, must be
[20:20] <glumanda> hey there
[20:21] <ramblebamble> branon, yep my thinking and now let's call XIBIT, and we show him that they put a display server in a display server so we can render while we render
[20:21]  * ramblebamble laughs
[20:21] <branon> seems like it
[20:22] <branon> so wayland is wayland for the applications that support wayland
[20:22] <branon> but xwayland is used for X11 apps
[20:22] <branon> wonder how that integrates together in one display seamlessly like it does for the user
[20:23] <ramblebamble> I don't know the details, or anything about that, but a) it works and b) doesn't surprise me thinking of that aspect you just mentioned, just think of a compositor, rendering one window over another with transparent effect
[20:25] <ramblebamble> so, that solves my confusion, I know ignorat approach
[20:25] <ramblebamble> GTG till next time


[09:56] <mgedmin> welp https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744278
[09:56] <mgedmin> according to that bug (which was fixed in g-s-d 3.16.2), turning backlight down to 0 shouldn't turn off my lcd
[09:56] <mgedmin> it does
[09:56] <mgedmin> I'm on g-s-d 3.18.2
[09:57] <darkxst> mgedmin, its clamps to 1%, some screens require a bit more to stay visible apparently
[09:58] <mgedmin> apparently :/
[09:59] <darkxst> so long as it comes back on when you increase the brightness. its not a huge issue ?
[09:59]  * mgedmin has a thinkpad x220 (4291-WJF) with intel video ([8086:0126] (rev 09))
[10:00] <mgedmin> no, it's not a huge issue for me
[13:01] <LinDol> hi all


[06:05] <nacc> slangasek: xnox: what would be the right way for me to esnure i have the most recnet ubuntu and debian keyrings in git-ubuntu (for gpg verifying the archive files current and historical)?
[06:05] <nacc> dpb1: --^ fyi reimport on hold until i resolve that
[06:21] <nacc> slangasek: xnox: to be clear, in a snap, so 'run bionic' isn't an answer (yet)
[06:44] <rbalint> mvo: imo -updates should be enabled in u-u for Ubuntu as well
[06:50] <rbalint> mvo: otherwise updates from -security may fail to install or may be stuck due to missing dependencies
[06:51] <rbalint> mvo: filed the PR, it may even fix Travis check
[07:08] <rbalint> mvo: u-u changes are in limbo, i'm trying to fix travis checks
[07:08] <rbalint> mvo: you can wait with the review till i update changelog again
[07:13] <mvo> rbalint: hm, I remember this, iirc we allow dependencies now even from non whitelisted sources, no?
[07:13] <mvo> rbalint: for exactly this reason
[07:13]  * mvo needs to step out for a little bit
[07:15] <rbalint> mvo: you seem to be right, the config file is a bit misleading
[07:24] <mvo> rbalint: yeah, interessting error in travis, maybe apt.apt_pkg.config.set("Debug::pkgProblemResolver","1") will help
[07:24] <mvo> rbalint: also "debug::pkgDepcache::marker","1" - not sure if we automatically add this with --debug
[07:24] <mvo> rbalint: maybe we should :)
[07:26] <rbalint> mvo: python3 (python-apt) is also crashing in https://travis-ci.org/mvo5/unattended-upgrades/builds/347636065
[07:26] <rbalint> juliank: ^
[07:26] <rbalint> (python-apt is just a suspect)
[07:30] <rbalint> mvo: for today i planned only tagging 1.0 and happily uploading it to Debian & Ubuntu, but that escalated quickly :-)
[07:38] <mvo> rbalint: heh, yeah, the joy of software development :/
[07:39] <slangasek> nacc: not sure I understand the question; the ubuntu-keyring package is authoritative
[07:39] <slangasek> nacc: so you probably need to be pulling it into your snap?
[08:59] <rbalint> mvo: ok, now i finalized u-u's changelog, too
[09:04] <mvo> rbalint: cool, did you figure out the travis error?
[09:07] <rbalint> i found several ones :-\
[09:08] <rbalint> mvo: it is hopeless to gate the PRs with an upgrade test running on crashing python/dependencies + with 3rd-party packages
[09:08] <rbalint> u-u correctly fails on apt resolver error in the best case
[09:09] <rbalint> the python-apt crash is already tracked: LP: #1737441
[09:11] <mvo> rbalint: agreed if the test case includes 3rd part packages, I though it was a vanilla ubuntu
[09:26] <rbalint> mvo: one more little change, please check the PR and it it is good i'm prepping the release
[09:46] <mvo> rbalint: sure, let me look.
[10:20] <mvo> rbalint: looks great now, is it ready to be merged? if so I am happy to press the button
[10:22] <rbalint> ready! :-)
[10:23]  * mvo hugs rbalint
[10:25] <rbalint> mvo: hugs mvo :-)
[10:25]  * rbalint hugs mvo :-)
[13:29] <tkamppeter> Hi, I need sponsoring for an upload of brlaser before the FF today. It is the new version 4: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brlaser/+bug/1752579
[13:57] <ahasenack> sil2100: hi there,
[13:57] <ahasenack> sil2100: about #1717040, xenial doesn't have the updated zstd package yet
[13:57] <ahasenack> sil2100: just wondering if you missed it, or if you really just wanted to work on the artful update?
[13:58] <ahasenack> bug #1717040
[13:58] <ahasenack> thanks ubottu
[13:58] <sil2100> ahasenack: hey! I didn't want to publish it as we're still in .4 freeze, and from what I know it's seeded in the ubuntustudio flavour
[13:59] <ahasenack> ah
[13:59] <ahasenack> sil2100: so what do we do now, wait for .4 to be out, then publish it? Is there a trigger so we don't forget?
[14:00] <sil2100> ahasenack: well, it's marked as ready so the SRU members see it as ready, and once we're done with .4 it'll just get published like any other marked SRU
[14:00] <ahasenack> ah, ok. The std comment that was added hinted that it would not be looked at anymore
[14:00] <ahasenack> but that might be about the artful task then
[14:02] <sil2100> Yes :)
[14:04] <ahasenack> ok, thanks
[16:06] <nacc> slangasek: you can't pull from not the version you're building on without lots of hacks
[16:06] <nacc> slangasek: and the xenial debian-archive-keyring package (apparnetly) does not have latest Debian keyrings
[16:07] <nacc> I'm checking now
[16:07] <nacc> slangasek: yeah, that's the problem, i think
[16:08] <nacc> (possibly true for the ubuntu keyring too, but perhaps it hasn't changed enough to be noticed)
[16:28] <nacc> slangasek: i can rephrase my question if that will make it clearer :)
[16:30] <xnox> nacc, what are you verifying? and how did you get those files?
[16:32] <nacc> xnox: https://git.launchpad.net/usd-importer/commit/?id=48249b21607fdfbb80af9d53e8d0b1375d8778c1 -- basically, we are using the archive to determine what files are in which components in releases so that we can phase correctly.
[16:32] <nacc> xnox: those files need to be verified using the archive keys
[16:32] <xnox> nacc, specifically which files / and signatures.
[16:32] <xnox> nacc, sorry =) i don't want to read source code....
[16:33] <xnox> nacc, are you trying to verify signatures of .dsc? cause we do not ship keyrings to verify that.
[16:33] <nacc> xnox: Release files
[16:33] <nacc> xnox: no
[16:33] <nacc> xnox: we implicitly trust LP to give us good data
[16:36] <xnox> nacc, so ubuntu-keyring should have all the keys in /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg and /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-removed-keys.gpg
[16:36] <xnox> for all the releases / archives.
[16:36] <nacc> xnox: even on xenial?
[16:36] <xnox> nacc, yes.
[16:36] <nacc> xnox: ok, i can leave that as-is; what about the debian keys?
[16:36] <xnox> nacc, debian-keyring too... but they rotate keys too often. I guess we could SRU debian-keyring to update keys there.
[16:37] <nacc> xnox: yeah, i'm seeing it fail right now for something in debian (i can figure out which in a moment)
[16:41] <nacc> xnox: so ... while the SRU will take ~ 7 days; what should I do in the meanwhile? I can't generally wait on that delay (we get gpg failures)
[16:42] <xnox> nacc, you can download and install newer debian-keyring on the machine you need at.....
[16:42] <nacc> xnox: from ... ?
[16:42] <xnox> nacc, or you can be a normal person, and use chroots to get the right keyrings.
[16:42] <nacc> xnox: you want me to use chroots in a snap?
[16:42] <xnox> nacc, if you don't know how to install debian-keyring package from a different release?
[16:43] <nacc> xnox: snaps don't make it easy
[16:43] <xnox> nacc, it's in the archive....
[16:43] <nacc> xnox: so i'd need to manually download a fixed URL
[16:43] <xnox> nacc, this is #ubuntu-devel; i guess you need #snapcraft?! </troll>
[16:43] <nacc> xnox: :)
[16:43] <nacc> xnox: the typical answer for snaps is 'build it yourself'
[16:43] <nacc> i don't know that i can for a native package
[16:43] <xnox> O_o
[16:44] <nacc> well, i mean i can, i meant i'm not sure i should
[16:44] <xnox> nacc, it's just a file.... you can grab them from commit in your git repo.... no?!
[16:44] <nacc> xnox: and even so, i'm not sure where the 'source' is ... i found debian-keyring on salsa; is ubuntu-keyring on LP?
[16:44] <nacc> xnox: a file i have to keep up to date all the time?
[16:44] <xnox> nacc, you should use $ pull-lp-source debian-keyring
[16:44] <xnox> nacc, you said you can't wait for sru
[16:45] <xnox> nacc, please contact somebody else, there is nothing that requires foundations involvement here.
[16:45] <nacc> xnox: i am just asking for suggestions
[16:45] <nacc> xnox: if you don't want to help, please don't.
[16:47] <slangasek> nacc: so perhaps this should be an SRU of the keyring package?
[16:47] <ddstreet> nacc is pull-lp-source failing, or code in usd-importer?
[16:48] <nacc> slangasek: i think that would solve it this time; but i am not sure it solves it long-term
[16:48] <nacc> ddstreet: context?
[16:48] <ddstreet> nacc i don't have context for your discussion ^
[16:48] <nacc> ddstreet: oh it's about git-ubuntu trying to verify archive files with gpg
[16:48] <ddstreet> ok so it's not using pull- then
[16:48] <ddstreet> directly trying to verify sig
[16:48] <nacc> ddstreet: right, this is for the Release file itself
[16:48] <nacc> ddstreet: not for source packages
[16:49] <ddstreet> ah ok cool
[16:49] <slangasek> nacc: surely it's an issue for the keyring packages in a stable release to not have up-to-date info about the archives
[16:49] <nacc> slangasek: oh yes, i agree
[16:49] <slangasek> nacc: and ISTM that your concern is derivative of this
[16:49] <nacc> slangasek: i guess i meant we probably need to do that at all times
[16:49] <nacc> slangasek: so it's both do it now, and commit to doing it in the future :)
[16:49] <slangasek> yeah
[16:50] <ddstreet> nacc how far back are you importing from? stopping at precise or going farther than that?
[16:50] <nacc> ddstreet: as far back as LP goes
[16:50] <nacc> ddstreet: inclusive of debian
[16:51] <ddstreet> sweet, that'll be a big old git repo for each pkg :)
[16:51] <nacc> ddstreet: yeah :)
[16:53] <nacc> slangasek: i can file a bug
[16:55] <nacc> meanwhile have to go figure out this regression in snapcraft :
[16:59] <nacc> slangasek: LP: #1752656 i'll fix the tasks in a bit
[17:00] <ddstreet> nacc i noticed some older packages used keys that were no longer in newer releases, but were in older releases...is that what you're addressing in ^
[17:01] <nacc> ddstreet: which key do you mean? the uploader's? or the archive key?
[17:01] <ddstreet> uploader's
[17:01] <nacc> ddstreet: the old keys are in the 'old' keyrings, usually
[17:01] <ddstreet> sorry, nm - you're talking about the archive key
[17:01] <nacc> ddstreet: we don't store uploader's keys in any of the keyrings afaict
[17:01] <nacc> ddstreet: yeah
[17:01] <ddstreet> yep sorry :)
[17:01] <ddstreet> different keys, nm me :)
[17:01] <nacc> np, it's easy to mix them up
[17:31] <nacc> ddstreet: did you try using ubuntu-archive-removed-keys.gpg ?
[17:31] <nacc> ddstreet: RE: LP: #1700846
[17:32] <ddstreet> nacc i haven't, no
[17:32] <nacc> ddstreet: that probably would fix it for you
[17:32] <nacc> ddstreet: that's what git-ubuntu is ahving to do, use both old and new keyrings, since we don't which will work
[17:33] <ddstreet> cool i'll try it, but as pull-*-source can be used by anyone it still probably needs to default to continue if there's no pub key...i can update the warning msg tho
[17:33] <nacc> ddstreet: ack
[17:34] <ddstreet> would be great if my ubuntu-dev-tools changes could get merged one of these days...been waiting for quite a long time now, i think people are getting tired of me bugging them to review it
[17:34] <ddstreet> anyway
[18:27] <ddstreet> nacc sorry for another q about git-ubuntu; any plan for it to handle source/changes of snaps?  for example, 'git ubuntu clone git-ubuntu' does not work :(
[18:28] <ddstreet> in fact i'm not entirely sure how snap sources/changes are tracked/available...
[18:28] <nacc> ddstreet: not possible, afaik
[18:28] <ddstreet> pull-snap-source maybe...
[18:28] <nacc> ddstreet: and no :)
[18:28] <ddstreet> :)
[18:28] <nacc> ddstreet: i believe this is something the snap team is working on (reproducible snaps, getting source for snaps)
[18:28] <nacc> but i have no intention of importing them
[18:29] <ddstreet> ack
[18:29] <nacc> usually, they are already in an external git repository
[18:29] <nacc> so the benefit is lower, i'd think
[18:29] <ddstreet> yeah, and IIUC not all snaps even make source public
[18:30] <nacc> nor should they, depending, i guess
[18:30] <nacc> ddstreet: we are only concerned with 'the archive' in git-ubuntu
[18:31] <nacc> ddstreet: technically, snaps are not ubuntu specific :)
[18:31] <ddstreet> true, right
[18:31] <ddstreet> good point :)
[18:34] <nacc> ddstreet: feels like it should be a snapcraft or snap subcommand (I guess)
[19:19] <xevious> Is there an archive of previous Bionic packages? It seems like a change in mysql-server-5.7's postinst script broke my image building script.
[19:20] <nacc> xevious: you can download them from the archive
[19:21] <nacc> err from LP
[19:21] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/5.7.21-1ubuntu1/+build/14311288
[19:21] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/5.7.20-1ubuntu1/+build/13855476
[19:28] <bdmurray> xevious: Its not asking for a password for the mysql user anymore
[19:29] <bdmurray> bug 1752215
[19:30] <xevious> The error I'm getting is "Error: Unable to shut down server with process id 2796"
[19:30] <bdmurray> Okay, maybe its not that issue then. ;-)
[19:31] <nacc> powersj: --^ you may want to subscribe to that
[19:31] <nacc> rbasak: as well
[19:32] <powersj> nacc: thx
[19:45] <wxl> does anyone have any idea where the upstream code of debian-installer is? i can't find it on salsa.debian.org
[19:49] <sladen> wxl: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Git  suggests it is still at  https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/d-i/
[19:50] <wxl> thanks sladen. the project in launchpad was pointing to anonscm but a different location, and it was failing, so i figrued it SHOULD have been on salsa, but i guess everything hasn't been moved over.
[20:05] <nacc> xevious: i got to those links via the publishing history of mysql-5.7 fwiw
[20:06] <xevious> nacc: Yeah, thanks for pointing that out. I'm trimming my image creation process down to the bare minimum steps to reproduce the issue I'm seeing.
[20:06] <nacc> xevious: np
[20:15] <xevious> bdmurray: I created a bug about the issue I'm seeing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bug/1752705
[20:24] <xevious> bdmurray: Does anything look wrong in those steps to reproduce?
[20:24] <nacc> xevious: have you tried running the postinst manually (possibly with -x ) ?
[20:24] <xevious> That'll be my first step after I get back from meeting with my dad for coffee/tea.
[20:25] <nacc> xevious: ack
[20:25] <xevious> I'll be back in a half hour or 45.
[20:50] <sunweaver> nacc: gosa has been uploaded to Debian unstable today. gosa 2.7.4+reloaded3-2 is your friend.
[20:50] <sunweaver> Can you make sure it lands in Ubuntu bionic?
[20:50] <nacc> sunweaver: yep
[20:51] <sunweaver> nacc: thx!!!
[20:51] <nacc> sunweaver: thank you!
[20:51] <sunweaver> welcome!
[20:51] <sunweaver> was a pressing issue on the Debian side, too.
[20:52] <nacc> sunweaver: yep
[21:03] <nacc> sunweaver: LP: #1752713 I'll sync once Launchpad can see it
[21:42] <xevious> Clearly, I meant a half hour *plus* 45.
[21:42] <roadmr> microsoft minutes, I guess
[22:05] <flooood> hey folks! i tried to modify hid.ko (hid-core.c), i therefore inserted some printk's and replaced the module
[22:05] <flooood> but the messages never appear on dmesg
[22:05] <flooood> dbus[607]: [system] Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="error", sender=":1.1" (uid=0 pid=613 comm="/lib/systemd/systemd-logind ") interface="(unset)" member="(unset)" error name="org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod" ...
[22:05] <nacc> flooood: i think you want #ubuntu
[22:05] <flooood> is what i get
[22:06] <nacc> flooood: although not really ontopic there either :)
[22:06] <flooood> are you sure? i think ubuntu-devel fits best, isn't it? since i try to debug some strange behaviour in ubuntu
[22:07] <xevious> nacc: I logged into the container after the failed install, added `set -x` to mysql-server-5.7.postinst, and ran `dpkg --configure -a` and it ran the configure script successfully. I'm testing dropping a postinst with `set -x` in it and setting its immutable bit before installing the package.
[22:07] <xevious> I'm not sure how dpkg will react to that.
[22:08] <nacc> flooood: this is for development *of* ubuntu
[22:14] <xevious> Well, as I suspected, dpkg didn't like being unable to unpack the package.
[22:16] <nacc> xevious: :)
[22:16] <nacc> xevious: is it possible the postinst always works when run twice?
[22:16] <nacc> (as opposed to being related to set +x ) ?
[22:16] <xevious> That's what I expect. I'll confirm now.
[22:17] <flooood> hm, i would expect that debugging *of* ubuntu *is* development of ubuntu, but okay...
[22:18] <nacc> flooood: you're debugging some module you modified, right?
[22:19] <flooood> nope, i modified it TO debug it
[22:19] <flooood> my modification is "insert printk's"
[22:19] <nacc> flooood: i don't see how dbus is relevant to printk
[22:19] <nacc> flooood: those go into the kernel log buffer
[22:20] <flooood> me too, but that's the only message i get in the moment when i would expect the kernel message - anyhow, have to reboot. c ya
[22:20] <nacc> flooood: also, how did you 'replace themodule'
[22:21] <nacc> flooood: i'm really fairly sure this is the wrong channel, in any case
[22:54] <flooood> okay, spooky... i deleted hid.ko from /lib/modules/..., rebooted and it  _still_ gets loaded, according to modules.builtin, it is _not_ builtin
[22:55] <flooood> according to modinfo "there is no such ..."
[22:55] <nacc> flooood: still wrong channel, it's in the initrd almost certainly
[22:55] <nacc> flooood: you need to rebuild the initrd if you want different modules
[22:56] <flooood> nacc: where is the right channel then, #ubuntu-debug?