[11:16] <JackyAlcine> http://askubuntu.com/questions/21707/what-are-the-accessibility-problems-of-qt
[14:38] <nigelb> hrm, charlie-tca is awake ;)
[14:47] <charlie-tca> well, almost, anyway
[14:53] <nigelb> My inbox says you're awake :p
[14:55] <charlie-tca> ooops
[14:56] <charlie-tca> might have found a bug or two needs work
[15:09] <nigelb> hehe
[15:09] <nigelb> I'm subscribed to accesibility bugs list
[15:09] <nigelb> so when you start working, I get mails :)
[15:19] <charlie-tca> yeah, and I might have found one to work ;-)
[15:19] <nigelb> hehe :D
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Still trying to get through all the old bugs. Should be done in a week or so, though
[15:20] <nigelb> w00t
[15:20] <charlie-tca> been a busy month, 200+ bugs to triage
[15:21] <nigelb> I noticed
[15:21] <nigelb> I get the mails :)
[15:21] <charlie-tca> sorry
[15:21] <nigelb> nah
[15:22] <charlie-tca> didn't mean to flood anyone
[15:22] <nigelb> I subscribed to them out of my free will :)
[15:22] <nigelb> and I have filters
[15:22] <nigelb> so, its absolutely not a problem
[15:22] <nigelb> I'm so glad someone's working on them
[15:35] <charlie-tca> I just have issues with really old bugs that no one wants to touch
[17:31] <hajour> ok i have to eat but i have a idea. for accessibility in classes. for to learn also from the sites .we can start in english thought. but what about vid. s with the lessons by example a program language  but then it is spoken .a recording with picture with it to see it also .so image with only program on it no very much lines with explain. to add on the pages where the lessons are on
[17:32] <hajour> charlie-tca, , Pendulum , AlanBell  ^
[17:33] <hajour> i read later back the responses .
[17:33] <hajour> i have to eat till later


[15:59] <slyon> o/
[15:59] <bdmurray> o/
[16:00] <jawn-smith> o/
[16:00] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[16:00] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[16:00]  * bdmurray shuffles names like cards
[16:00] <bdmurray> ogayot xypron jawn-smith vorlon schopin waveform alexghiti sil2100 enr0n juliank mwhudson ginggs doko dbungert slyon bdmurray
[16:00] <ogayot> * subiquity:
[16:00] <xypron> Still in call
[16:01] <ogayot>   * consolidated API for UA contract token
[16:01] <ogayot>   * still troubleshooting issues with overlays for third-party drivers
[16:01] <ogayot> * whoopsie / apport:
[16:01] <ogayot>   * manual tests run in no-UI & UI mode
[16:01] <ogayot>   * regression when running whoopsie in path-based activation mode only
[16:01] <ogayot>   * working on another prototype with timer-based + path-based activation
[16:01] <ogayot> * merge of python-testtools
[16:01] <ogayot> * fix of mosquitto autopkgtest
[16:01] <ogayot> (done)
[16:01] <bdmurray> since xypron is still in a call lets move to the next person
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * ubuntu-image:
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * Created https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11355
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * Work done locally with full coverage for the ubuntu-image side of this
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * Testing these changes on lots of architectures
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * icu transition:
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * aegisub: has been removed from the archive
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * gspell: unrelated to icu. filed LP: #
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * icu-ext: fix-uploaded
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * libcolumbus: is unrelated to icu 70, but I uploaded a fix anyway. RISC-V still FTBFS
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * libsimpleini: just needed a rebuild
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * golang 1.18 transition:
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * golang 1.18 does not play nicely with lto. New version of golang 1.18 uploaded to my ppa
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * Once it has been published I will start no change rebuilds in my ppa
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * Assisting security team with golang-modules
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * LP: #1960083 include dirname in busybox to allow encrypted rootfs to boot again
[16:02] <jawn-smith> * Proposed migration: ansible vs python3.10
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * submitted bug against dh-python for not cleaning broken symlinks
[16:02] <jawn-smith>     * Thanks ginggs for helping identify that the behavior should be fixed in ansible instead and moving the bug
[16:02] <jawn-smith> [done]
[16:02] <xypron> Package cd-boot-images-riscv64 in preparation of installer images LP: #1960216
[16:02] <xypron> Analyzed autopkgtest problems of package keras. Opted for deletion LP: #1959918
[16:02] <xypron> Fix autopkgtests of package aiocoap: LP: #1959315
[16:02] <xypron> Start packaging jh17xx-tools for recovering VisionFive board
[16:02] <xypron> <done />
[16:03] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[16:04] <vorlon>  * processing Debian package removals, which led to
[16:04] <vorlon>   * reviewing our mlocate delta and porting it to plocate so that we can do the m/p-locate transition Debian has already done
[16:04] <vorlon>   * needs an MIR for this new codebase, if someone is in need of MIR experience
[16:04] <vorlon>  * spending some time on TB issues
[16:04] <vorlon>  * working on NBS cleanups; removed php8.0 from release finally
[16:04] <vorlon>  * doing interviews this week
[16:04] <vorlon> (done)
[16:04] <bdmurray> schopin:
[16:05] <schopin> * rustc: worked on rustc 1.58.1 for the MIR, with multitude of smaller items in there
[16:05] <schopin> * distro: worked on several packages for the Python 3.10 migration
[16:05] <schopin> (done)
[16:06] <bdmurray> waveform:
[16:06] <waveform> * Investigated pi-bluetooth issue on UC18, UC20, and UC22 on CM4, 4B
[16:06] <waveform> * .. unable to replicate on 4B
[16:06] <waveform> * .. replicated on CM4 under UC20 and UC18; fixed on UC20, left UC18 as CM4 isn't supported there
[16:06] <waveform> * Finished tentative fix for debhelper restart issue (LP: #1959054)
[16:06] <waveform> * Incorporated fix for ^^ into debhelper merge (LP: #1960248)
[16:06] <waveform> * .. fix needs sponsorship, but also serious testing for any affected packages
[16:06] <waveform> * .. would also be good to grep the archive for any packages using --no-restart-{after,on}-upgrade in d/rules (how?)
[16:06] <waveform> * Merged extra interface changes to pi-gadget
[16:06] <waveform> * Cherry-picked Pi Zero 2, and interface changes across UC20 & 22 branches (for both supported archs)
[16:06] <waveform> * Merged a few outstanding PRs on pi-gadget (including better build docs \o/)
[16:06] <waveform> * Worked on updated "classic" and "desktop" branches of pi-gadget (sorry, still not *quite* done!)
[16:06] <waveform> * Verification of linux-firmware-raspi{,2} SRUs
[16:06] <waveform> * Analyzed memory usage of "bare+idle" server system (non-essential RSS hogs in desc. order: snapd=21-32MB, multipathd=16-17MB, unattended-upgrades-shutdown=12-16MB, fwupd=15MB, networkd-dispatcher=12-15MB)
[16:06] <waveform> * Pi meetings
[16:06] <waveform> (done)
[16:06] <alexghiti> PlusOne maintenance
[16:06] <alexghiti> Pytest fixed uploaded by ginggs
[16:06] <alexghiti> Pytest-mpi fixed by tox upload by ginggs
[16:06] <alexghiti> Pytest-skip-markers fixed by pyfakefs update (https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/packages/python-pyfakefs/-/merge_requests/1)
[16:06] <alexghiti> Python-ml-collection fixed uploaded by ginggs
[16:06] <alexghiti> Q2cli: upstream fix not enough  https://github.com/qiime2/q2cli/pull/260
[16:06] <alexghiti> Shasta 0.8.0-1 always failed because of lack on memory in VM
[16:06] <alexghiti> Typer fixed by pytest-sugar https://github.com/Teemu/pytest-sugar/pull/231
[16:06] <alexghiti> Pytest-sugar to upload
[16:06] <alexghiti> Unicycler fixed by spades update
[16:06] <alexghiti> Spades update ongoing
[16:06] <alexghiti> Toil may not support python 3.10 (https://github.com/DataBiosphere/toil/pull/3967)
[16:06] <alexghiti> Python-pip  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1004149
[16:06] <alexghiti> Libapache2-mod-python ongoing
[16:06] <alexghiti> Python-dugong ongoing
[16:06] <alexghiti> (done)
[16:07] <bdmurray> I'm not sure sil2100 is going to make it
[16:07] <bdmurray> enr0n:
[16:07] <enr0n> * MR merged for LP #1947581.
[16:07] <enr0n> * Working on MR for LP #1959458.
[16:07] <enr0n> * nanolyse vs python3-defaults (with bdmurray)
[16:07] <enr0n>   - Was failing due to minimap2 issue (LP #1960028)
[16:07] <enr0n>   - minimap2 in -proposed removed
[16:07] <enr0n>   - nanolyse autopkgtest succeeds with python3.10 and previous minimap2 version
[16:07] <enr0n> * Administrative stuff
[16:07] <enr0n> (done)
[16:08] <bdmurray> juliank:
[16:08] <juliank> * grub2 upstream work
[16:08] <juliank> * reviewed grub2 riscv patchset
[16:08] <juliank> * proposed-migration djangorestframework
[16:08] <juliank> * reviewed shim submissions from:
[16:08] <juliank>   - Isoo (https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/202)
[16:08] <juliank>   - OS ALT (accepted, https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/205)
[16:08] <juliank>   - Microsoft CBL-Mariner (accepted with caveats, https://github.com/rhboot/shim-review/issues/223)
[16:08] <juliank> * apt merges review
[16:08] <juliank> * lots of silly autopkgtest-cloud work to make amd64/i386 become more stable
[16:08] <juliank>   - Retry stderr printing if we received EAGAIN :(
[16:08] <juliank>   - Move /tmp/autopkgtest-run-wrapper to /var/tmp from /tmp, as the latter is deleted by systemd-tmpfiles which might run after we create the file
[16:08] <juliank>   - use nova reboot to reboot in addition to reboot in the VM, to workaround broken network after reboot
[16:08] <juliank>   - poked IS to restart OVS in lgw01
[16:08] <juliank>   - set ConnectionAttempts=20 in auxverb to work around flaky networking
[16:08] <juliank>   - limit our lcy01 workers to 20 (from 28) as IS instituted a limit there
[16:08] <juliank>   - limit our code to only boot one new VM every 30 seconds (per cloud)
[16:08] <juliank> (done)
[16:09] <bdmurray> ginggs:
[16:09] <ginggs> * Working on FTBFS and autopkgtest regressions in Python 3.10-as-default transition
[16:09] <ginggs> * FTBFS reports
[16:09] <ginggs> * Sponsored some uploads; tox, pytest and python-ml-collections
[16:09] <ginggs> (done)
[16:09] <doko> - started the icu transistion
[16:09] <doko> - going on with the perl transition
[16:09] <doko> - currently handicapped by failing builds without logs. LP team is aware of this
[16:09] <doko> - package removals related to icu and perl
[16:09] <doko> (done)
[16:09] <dbungert> * +1: bobcat vs icmake - send partial fix upstream (debbug 1004986), upstream
[16:09] <dbungert> can reproduce core problem (endianness issue)
[16:09] <dbungert> * python3.10 vs oz: collections -> collections.abc, LP: #1960273
[16:09] <dbungert> * subiquity - update storage/v2 to require a gap object for partition creation,
[16:09] <dbungert> will be used later to control where on disk partitions are created
[16:09] <dbungert> * subiquity - pick up partial branches from mwhudson on partition editing
[16:09] <dbungert> * subiquity - fix issue where sensitive information could be logged to log
[16:09] <dbungert> files, and tighten permissions on files that subiquity writes
[16:09] <dbungert> (done)
[16:09] <slyon> - take-home test review
[16:09] <slyon> - MIR: improve protobuf-c packaging, to make it ready for main, LP: #1956617
[16:09] <slyon> - merged sudo (still having issues on autopkgtest.u.c, working locally)
[16:09] <slyon> - systemd SRU for OEM team (Impish + prep-work for Focal), LP: #1955997
[16:09] <slyon> [16:09] <slyon> - more release planning & initial testing
[16:09] <slyon> - merged SmartNIC work https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/253 \o/
[16:09] <slyon> - reviewed & merged https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/259
[16:09] <slyon> - some discussions around OVS+GRE tunnel offloading
[16:09] <slyon> - experiemnts around netplan vs NetworkManager vs udev vs networkd allow-
[16:09] <slyon>   and denylist integration, LP: #1951653
[16:09] <slyon> (done)
[16:10] <bdmurray> review of and merging of the fix for LP: #1947581
[16:10] <bdmurray> searched for duplicates of the above bug too
[16:10] <bdmurray> reported bug regarding /boot partition sizing LP: #1959971
[16:10] <bdmurray> uploaded partman-auto for Focal with changes for the above
[16:10] <bdmurray> modified ubuntu-release-upgrader fallback initrd size estimate
[16:10] <bdmurray> merged, uploaded software-properties MP regarding ppa.launchpadcontent.net
[16:10] <bdmurray> pinged IS regarding firewall rule change for the above
[16:10] <bdmurray> updated mirrors, demotions etc for ubuntu-release-upgrader for Jammy
[16:10] <bdmurray> investigation into germinate with -updates (LP: #1921862)
[16:10] <bdmurray> submitted removal request for lupin (LP: #1960457)
[16:10] <bdmurray> no change rebuild of minimap2 for python3.10
[16:10] <bdmurray> reran nanolyse tests for the above
[16:10] <bdmurray> uploaded python-apt, ubuntu-release-upgrader for 20.04.4
[16:10] <bdmurray> met with ogayot regarding whoopsie and apport-noui
[16:10] <bdmurray> sru-reviews and releases
[16:10] <bdmurray> preparing for and conducting interviews
[16:10] <bdmurray> mentoring
[16:10] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:10] <bdmurray> any questions on status?
[16:12] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:12] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:12] <vorlon> wrong #topic?
[16:13] <bdmurray> yes
[16:13] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[16:13] <bdmurray> bug 1960263
[16:14] <bdmurray> Is anybody looking at this with the the python3.10 transition?
[16:14] <bdmurray> It doesn't sound like it so lets just card it
[16:15] <ginggs> I was not aware of it, it did build recently on  2022-01-10
[16:15] <bdmurray> bug 1958720 is tagged server-todo so let's see if they get it done
[16:16] <bdmurray> bug 1960089
[16:16] <doko> there is no python-is-python2 in jammy anymore
[16:16] <bdmurray> doko: Can you comment on the bug?
[16:17] <bdmurray> As I understand it some users are installing multiple flavors of kernels (e.g. oem and stock) and /boot partition size calculation only provides room for one flavor of kernel.
[16:17] <bdmurray> And when someone's /boot partition becomes full it is a rather difficult situation to recover from.
[16:18] <bdmurray> vorlon: Do you have an opinion here?
[16:18] <vorlon> I could also write chunks of /dev/random to /boot and run it out of space but I don't think that's something we should be taking into consideration when sizing /boot at install time
[16:19] <vorlon> I do not think a user having two kernel metapackages installed in parallel is a supported use case
[16:19] <bdmurray> How will users know that though? It seems like an easy mistake to make.
[16:19] <schopin> Perhaps we could warn the user when installing a new kernel metapackage?
[16:20] <vorlon> how are these users coming up with the idea to manually install a different kernel metapackage than the one selected for them by the installer?
[16:20] <vorlon> you don't get there from the gui
[16:20] <vorlon> is someone giving bad advice on the Internet telling them to run apt?
[16:21] <dbungert> the user on that bug is making the case that they have users intentionally using 2 or 3 kernels
[16:21] <vorlon> schopin: the UX for being able to pop such a warning makes that difficult
[16:21] <juliank> you get two kernel flavors if you upgrade from oem, fwiw, but I'm not sure how this ends up in terms of kernel count
[16:21] <vorlon> dbungert: well, I think it's clearly intentional, I just don't think it's sensible
[16:21] <bdmurray> Ubuntu Studio users seem to switch between the lowlatency and generic kernel
[16:22] <juliank> Their calculation is off in any case
[16:22] <vorlon> bdmurray: anyway my view is that there needs to be a broader design discussion here, perhaps on ubuntu-devel, not buried in a bug report
[16:22] <juliank> as we keep 3 kernels, and our calculation is to allocate space for 2*3 kernels (and initrds)
[16:22] <dbungert> vorlon: I'm inclined to agree but with my installer hat on it's hard to know how to respond to this
[16:22] <bdmurray> Yeah, I'd use our calculation but just adjust it for 2 kernel flavors if appropriate
[16:22] <juliank> historically
[16:23] <vorlon> juliank: AIUI you end up with two kernel metapackages but one is supposed to be a dummy pointing to the other, and any resulting increase in installed kernels is a bug
[16:23] <juliank> it should be
[16:23] <schopin> can flavours hook into the installer at this stage?
[16:23] <bdmurray> Okay, I'll suggest they bring it up on the ubuntu-devel mailing list.
[16:24] <juliank> Please point to the old bug with the calculation we did
[16:24] <juliank> :)
[16:24] <juliank> Well cyphermox did I think
[16:24] <vorlon> the most recent calculations in u-r-u are mine working with bdmurray, AFAIK
[16:24] <bdmurray> I did in our irc chat about it
[16:24] <juliank> also we do have a card to reevaluate size of /boot already, no?
[16:25] <bdmurray> juliank: yes, its assigned to me and I upload partman-auto for focal. I'm waiting on impression for compression decsisions
[16:25] <juliank> ok
[16:25] <bdmurray> s/impression/jammy/
[16:25] <bdmurray> okay so bug 1959362
[16:26] <bdmurray> Let's ask seb if they are working on it
[16:26] <bdmurray> bug 1960255
[16:26] <vorlon> - Setup a password for Secure Boot MOK enrollment
[16:26] <vorlon> sorry, that's on the ubiquity bug
[16:26] <juliank> u-r-u that's a no-brainer
[16:26] <vorlon> does that mean ubiquity failed to get the signed nvidia drivers for them?
[16:27] <bdmurray> Yes, there has been similar work done with u-r-u so let's target and card that.
[16:27] <vorlon> (but yes, desktop can have it for now)
[16:27] <juliank> the nvidia issue happens occassionally I think
[16:27] <vorlon> :|
[16:27] <juliank> I've seen other bugs about that in the past weeks, I think they're working on those
[16:28] <bdmurray> bug 1959759
[16:29] <bdmurray> that has ubuntu-archive subscribed to it, is that enough?
[16:29] <vorlon> that's in the ubuntu-archive team queue, I don't think it belongs in the rls-jj-incoming escalation path
[16:29] <bdmurray> okay
[16:31] <bdmurray> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ii-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[16:31] <bdmurray> bug 1959085
[16:33] <bdmurray> let's add a zfsutils task and let the kernel team look at it
[16:34] <vorlon> added
[16:34] <bdmurray> the rls-ff-incoming list just has the /boot size bug
[16:34] <bdmurray> so that's it from bugs
[16:34] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:34] <vorlon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:34] <vorlon> 126 packages needing attention, 14 packages not yet considered late
[16:34] <vorlon> looks quite dire
[16:35] <vorlon> the first couple are ruby-defaults, --> server team
[16:35] <vorlon> python-click is the mailman3 issue, which is with mwhudson and unblocked now (we will remove mailman3 as Debian has)
[16:35] <bdmurray> Is there / does there need to be a bug opened for that?
[16:35] <vorlon> python3-defaults is looking much better, with only a short list of blockers; are these all assigned out or otherwise in progress?
[16:35] <vorlon> bdmurray: we will need a removal bug with ubuntu-archive subscribed
[16:36] <bdmurray> No, we did not assign everything out
[16:36] <vorlon> so I have barbican assigned to me and I think I would like to pass it on to someone else
[16:36] <doko> it's now clarified that we want to remove mailman3
[16:36] <vorlon> LP: #1959626
[16:36] <slyon> I can take that
[16:36] <alexghiti> Regarding python3-default: I am taking a look at all the packages after pytest
[16:36] <bdmurray> the mosquitto ones will just need retrying with python3-defaults
[16:36] <vorlon> slyon: thanks
[16:37] <vorlon> when apache2 is restarted with libpython3.10 loaded, the wsgi requests hang with no useful logs
[16:37] <vorlon> so someone more conversant with wsgi should look at it
[16:37] <vorlon> I'll have a look at faiss since it's ppc64el
[16:38] <vorlon> alexghiti: are you still working on libapache2-mod-python?  looks like you were assigned to it last week
[16:38] <alexghiti> vorlon: Yes, apache2 segfault and I struggle to understand why
[16:38] <alexghiti> I want to update the package to see if it helps
[16:38] <vorlon> ok
[16:39] <vorlon> then it sounds like the remaining blockers are handled
[16:39] <vorlon> then we have a series of packages waiting for python3 and/or ruby...
[16:39] <ginggs> LP: #1960088 is tagged server-todo
[16:40] <alexghiti> Ahah thanks, same segfault as mine
[16:41] <vorlon> media-types has a python3.9 autopkgtest regression on ppc64el, I'll look at this it's probably a false positive (and ultimately ignorable because python3.9)
[16:41] <vorlon> opensbi, I heard some back chatter about this - alexghiti are you working on this?
[16:41] <alexghiti> Yes, I'll do that next week
[16:41] <vorlon> thanks
[16:42] <vorlon> linux-firmware-raspi, is this blocked by bluez-firmware or something else?
[16:44] <vorlon> "unsatisfiable dependency" so I assume it's related and already handled, moving on
[16:44] <vorlon> and then we start getting into autopkgtest waits (libwww-perl)
[16:44] <vorlon> initramfs-tools vs klibc warrants someone looking at it
[16:45] <vorlon> ogayot: could you look at initramfs-tools/klibc?
[16:45] <ogayot> sure
[16:45] <vorlon> xypron: could you look at pillow?
[16:46] <xypron> ok
[16:46] <vorlon> glibc, I'm not sure the status of these, I'll skip over them for now
[16:47] <vorlon> oh, python3.9/ppc64el also blocking glibc, that's fun; I'll certainly look at that one
[16:47] <vorlon> systemd autopkgtest blocking linux-meta-aws, jawn-smith can you look?
[16:47] <jawn-smith> sure
[16:48] <vorlon> cross-toolchain-base: schopin?
[16:48] <schopin> ack
[16:48] <vorlon> cdebconf: waveform?
[16:48] <waveform> vorlon, ack
[16:48] <vorlon> busybox vs. casper: sil2100 ?
[16:49] <dbungert> casper issue is a known problem, I suggest retest
[16:49] <vorlon> gdbm: enr0n?
[16:49] <sil2100> vorlon: ACK o/
[16:49] <enr0n> can do
[16:49] <sil2100> ...or just a re-test then
[16:49] <vorlon> and then there are piles of perl stuff I'm not going to dig into
[16:49] <vorlon> sorry I didn't find enough to assign one to everyone
[16:50] <vorlon> but if you didn't get one feel free to dive in and grab something else to look at :)
[16:50] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[16:50] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[16:50] <bdmurray> I believe Monday is a US holiday
[16:50] <slyon> I'll be off tomorrow
[16:50] <mclemenceau> isn't it next Monday?
[16:51] <doko> fix  zeek, zzuf ftbfs please
[16:51] <jawn-smith> It's the day after the super bowl, which should be a holiday :)
[16:51] <bdmurray> Oh, I'm off by one
[16:51] <bdmurray> Okay, if there is nothing else.
[16:51] <bdmurray> Thanks everybody.
[16:52] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[16:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:52:00 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-02-10-16.00.moin.txt
[16:52] <schopin> o/
[16:52] <slyon> o/
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: For clarification, it's not Ubuntu Studio. It's Kubuntu Focus (OEM laptop) users.
[17:32] <Eickmeyer> Hence the OEM kernel being a factor.
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: Additionally, it's mostly due to a bug in PackageKit (which KDE Discover uses as a backend) which causes packages that were originally marked as auto to be marked as manual when upgrading.
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> Doesn't have much to do with having more than one kernel flavor installed, though that can be a factor.
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> The problem is there's no safety net when the /boot directory overfills.
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> *sigh* this should be in #ubuntu-devel.
[17:53] <bdmurray> Eickmeyer: Having the discussion on the ubuntu-devel mailing list would be best as this seems like an involved conversation
[18:26] <vorlon> making /boot bigger does not solve the problem of there not being a safety net when the /boot directory overfills.
[18:26] <vorlon> and yes, ubuntu-devel please
[20:00] <mwhudson> bdmurray, vorlon: tada https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman-hyperkitty/+bug/1960547
[20:00] <bdmurray> mwhudson: thanks


[04:27] <CyberFingers> I am not able to update "sudo apt update|more
[04:27] <CyberFingers> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[04:27] <CyberFingers> Err:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease
[04:27] <CyberFingers>   Cannot initiate the connection to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:67c:1560:8001::11). - co
[04:27] <CyberFingers> nnect (101: Network is unreachable)"
[06:11] <cpaelzer> good morning
[07:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[13:53] <coreycb> jamespage: sahid: I'm working through promotions to -updates across the cloud archives for anything that's verified
[13:55] <sahid> coreycb: ack, can i help on anything?
[13:56] <coreycb> sahid: I think at the moment we're ok, thanks. got a lot of things verified last week and just need to get them released.
[13:57] <sahid> ack, i'm trying to fix packages that are failling autopkgtest so
[14:11] <jamespage> coreycb: awesome thanks
[14:14] <coreycb> sahid: thanks, good idea. if you come across networkx, I have that covered. I'm working on fixing up the component mismatches for that but also hitting other issues with it.
[15:53] <shubjero> coreycb: Are you aware of these deprecation warnings for train cinder on 18.04? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Svw5CsZpsM/
[15:55] <shubjero> coreycb: I guess they are more of OpenStack's problem and not Ubuntu. The one about policy enforcement is annoying though because I don't even use a cinder policy file and just rely on the built in "sane defaults".. which maybe are deprecated and causing this warning too?
[15:55] <coreycb> shubjero: hi, I don't think I've seen those. yes that would be my next question is whether they are an upstream issue or limited to our package code.
[15:55] <coreycb> shubjero: we try to use upstream config by default as much as possible whether that be the static copy from usptream source or a generated copy based on how upstream generates (ie. tox.ini)
[15:56] <coreycb> shubjero: right and policy is in code mostly now
[15:57] <shubjero> coreycb: Yeah, it looks like I probably have to ignore these warnings for now and drop them from my ELK stack as its fairly frequent and clutters the logs
[16:00] <coreycb> shubjero: it'd be worth getting a bug opened upstream if it looks it's not yet fixed in master and there isn't already a bug open. unless your deployment tooling is possibly laying down any policy config.
[16:03] <shubjero> coreycb: yeah ill look at upstream
[16:03] <shubjero> coreycb: thanks
[18:19] <vlm> how could i make sure i actually write to a disk mounted at mount point rather than the mount point itself in root disk or how does it work? I could do a conditional in my script and grep output of mount command is there another way though??
[18:24] <lordcirth> vlm, what does this script do, and how will it be run?
[18:25] <lordcirth> vlm, an easier way might be to touch a flag file inside the mount, and check for its existence. Alternatively, if this will be run as a systemd service, you can have systemd check
[18:27] <vlm> lordcirth: ohh you mean like create a lock file of some sort?That ive done before didnt remember ,thats actually good enough for thanks!
[18:27] <lordcirth> vlm, you could lock it as well, but simply "if this file is here, then it's mounted, because this is only on the mount" works
[18:28] <vlm> lordcirth: ive done that before thats just whats needed then i just exit script if its not present
[18:31] <sdeziel> vlm: you might want to use "mountpoint" to test if the dir is a mountpoint or not
[18:32] <vlm> sdeziel: thats another good suggestion aswell thanks,always these usefull commands laying around always forget about or dont discover
[21:03] <fluvvel> Q: if I clone a partition with hard links, am I going to have any issues on the new drive?
[21:03] <fluvvel> I've been trying to rsync -avrH the contents and I'm 4 days into a 1.4TB copy, its killing me
[21:23] <sweb> i i forward all syslog to services is all logs of my system will be captured ?
[21:23] <sweb> is there any thing else to capture ?
[21:25] <sdeziel> fluvvel: you should have no issue with the new drive but yeah, rsync can take a while (newer rsync versions (3+) are better)
[21:26] <sdeziel> fluvvel: are you rsync'ing a BackupPC pool or a rsnapshot partition?
[22:28] <sarnold> sweb: some things may be logged only to the systemd journal; other applications will log to their own files without using any other logging framework. auditd logs aren't included in syslog either.


[21:27] <jordilopezamat> thanks guys! ummhh... i'll try form another USB connectar, just in case is fried...
[21:27] <jordilopezamat> sure... i'll take BIOS boot priority in account!
[21:28] <MrJerome> TJ: So I updated the BIOS but I'm still getting the delay. I did notice that during the delay the hard-drive access indicator light stays solidly lit.
[21:28] <PatrickDickey> jordilopezamat: http://askubuntu.com/questions/204021/a-disk-read-error-occurred-on-windows-after-installing-ubuntu-12-10
[21:28] <PatrickDickey> Granted you're on 12.04, but the problem is the same.
[21:29] <TJ-> jordilopezamat: another tip for you... sometimes this can be caused by vibration or bangs causing the data or power connections to the hard drive to become slightly dislodged... if you're brave, open it up to get to the hard disk and ensure the connetions are firmly in
[21:29] <phiscribe> ugg i rememer that nastiness in 12.04 with drives spinning
[21:30] <jordilopezamat> thanks PatrickDickey i was reading that one...
[21:30] <PatrickDickey> jordilopezamat: You can install/run Boot-Repair from the Live CD also.
[21:30] <jordilopezamat> Damned... now LiveUSB just booted! :- ) phiscribe you were right ...
[21:30] <TJ-> jordilopezamat: Another related issue can be memory modules being dislodged... so check them. I opened a laptop recently to find the SO-DIMM locking arms had sprung loose and the modules were 30 degrees from normal... and still working too!
[21:31] <jordilopezamat> USB connector was fried :-/
[21:31] <jordilopezamat> thanks...
[21:31] <jordilopezamat> thanks
[21:31] <jhutchins> re-seating memory has cured many a balky PC.
[21:31] <TJ-> MrJerome: Have you tried switching the BIOS modes of the disk controller between/from AHCI/IDE/RAID ?
[21:31] <phiscribe> that or underpowered. if you have lots attached it might not have enough power for all the devices. maybe get a powered usb hub to add some juice
[21:32] <jordilopezamat> yep phiscribe... ok, recovering the breath now...
[21:32]  * PatrickDickey thinks that if the system was working properly before Ubuntu was installed, it most likely is just a boot issue--not necessarily a hardware issue. Although that CAN (and does) happen also.
[21:32] <jordilopezamat> ... i'll run a disk check from LiveUSB ... i think
[21:33] <MrJerome> TJ: I'
[21:33] <MrJerome> TJ: I'll try now
[21:33] <TJ-> PatrickDickey: I've had so many weird issues like that I have a mantra now "Check the cables/connections FIRST - stoopid!"
[21:33] <jordilopezamat> PatrickDickey i completely agree with your diagnosis
[21:34] <jordilopezamat> could it be that MBR got screwed or something like?
[21:34] <YOURBESTFRIEND> is the ubuntu software center using gtk or qt?
[21:34] <kostkon> gtk
[21:34] <TJ-> jordilopezamat: If the BIOS can't find the MBR then yes
[21:35] <PatrickDickey> jordilopezamat: If the hardware checks don't solve the issue, then yes that could be the problem. So, I'd check the hardware like TJ- and the others recommended, and then try BootRepair or something similar to fix GRUB.
[21:35] <PatrickDickey> jordilopezamat: Here's the information on Boot Repair (since our lovely ubottu doesn't have it) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:36] <jordilopezamat> mmh... and (now) running form LiveUSB, gparted is showing the partitions properly...
[21:36] <jordilopezamat> any recommended test from ?
[21:36] <jordilopezamat> ok, i'll use boot repair...
[21:36] <TJ-> jordilopezamat: The BIOS reads sector 0 of a drive, and then looks for the magic 0x55AA as the last 2 bytes... then it executes the code from offset 0. That error occurs when it can't find the magic bytes or boot sector
[21:37] <jordilopezamat> sure TJ-
[21:37] <TJ-> jordilopezamat: I'd be doing "sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | hexdump -C | less" and checking the boot sector looks good.
[21:38] <phiscribe> be warey of repair the mbr. im not sure what that does in a ubuntu setting. in a windows setting it means destory grub, make windows and windows only boot.
[21:38] <phiscribe> it might not be the same thing in the bootrepair tool
[21:38] <TJ-> jordilopezamat: This is what it should look like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6747100/
[21:38] <phiscribe> i like supergrub boot disk to repair weirdness
[21:39] <phiscribe> but thats just me
[21:39] <YOURBESTFRIEND> is the ubuntu software center using gtk or qt?
[21:39] <jordilopezamat> never tried supergrub boot disk... yet!
[21:39] <jordilopezamat> let's go with boor-repair for now...
[21:40] <MrJerome> TJ: Same problem in compatibility mode vs ahci
[21:40] <TJ-> MrJerome: Have you tried researching the make/model of the SSD for this kind of thing?
[21:41] <hitsujiTMO> YOURBESTFRIEND: that question was answered already. gtk
[21:41] <TJ-> MrJerome: After all, I've only seen this reported with the W700 by people using SSDs
[21:41] <Brian666> Have you guys seen how bad ubuntu can become
[21:41] <Brian666> when you swap a new video card?
[21:41] <Brian666> The dection process in Ubuntu is horrid
[21:42] <MrJerome> TJ: I'll see what I can find. I might have to try a different hard drive.
[21:42]  * PatrickDickey wonders if there's a channel specifically for GRUB/GRUB2.
[21:42] <TJ-> MrJerome: That would be a good way to test the SSD theory
[21:42] <YOURBESTFRIEND> hitsujiTMO: ah, sorry
[21:42] <urda> question: I'm running McMyAdmin on one of my linodes, it has zombie processes (1-3) at times, should this be of concern? (I think not, but just asking)
[21:42] <PatrickDickey> Brian666: Which card did you swap and which card did you go to? And which version of Ubuntu?
[21:43] <Brian666> It was awhile back
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> YOURBESTFRIEND: you can see for yourself aswell by looking at the dependencies: apt-cache show software-center | grep Depends
[21:43] <Brian666> i formatted ubuntu
[21:43] <TJ-> PatrickDickey: Yes; #grub strangely!
[21:43] <Brian666> after it could not fix my problems
[21:43] <PatrickDickey> LOL I thought it would be that obvious TJ- Thanks. :)
[21:43] <TJ-> Brian666: formatting applies to file-systems not operating systems!
[21:45] <PatrickDickey> Brian666: My question to you then is this: If it was a while back, have you given a thought to trying again? They may have fixed the bug or whatever that caused your issue.
[21:45]  * PatrickDickey thinks Brian666 meant to say he wiped Ubuntu and went to another operating system.
[21:47] <LadyFrHll> I have two problems here.  I am trying to boot with a Ubuntu Live USB 13.10 64 bit.  I see the ubuntu below on the screen for a second then a flashing cursor on top then the monitor just blinks after a few seconds.  I have passed the "nomodeset" to the kernel prior to boot and I get to the desktop but if I install it for some reason grub does not get installed to the hard drive.  I have an Ivy Bridge Z77 Gigabyte motherboard with
[21:48] <LadyFrHll> Alos with Amd 6800 graphics card and the Motherboard has Thunderbolt which I don't care about getting working anyhow
[21:48] <TJ-> MrJerome: You might find some clue in the Service and Troubleshooting guide: https://cdn.cnetcontent.com/9b/4a/9b4ad36f-ee04-4bd9-b202-0d93c59829ab.pdf
[21:49] <Ademan> LadyFrHll: dang that sounds like a pretty specific bug, maybe someone in here knows, but I'd strongly recommend posting on the ubuntu forums also, so that more people can see it
[21:49] <MrJerome> TJ: Thanks, I'll take a look
[21:50] <TJ-> MrJerome: according to page 9 the BIOS contains "HDD diagnostic program"
[21:50] <LadyFrHll> Ok I can do that.  When I hit F12 to choose to disk to boot from I see both EFI and the Kingston FLash drive itself.  Why is there an EFI parttion on the USB flash?  My motherboard has an EFI bios
[21:50] <LadyFrHll> Will Live install correctly with nomodeset?
[21:50] <MrJerome> TJ: Yes, I saw that in the BIOS. I'll give that a shot it will take about 2 hours.
[21:51] <TJ-> LadyFrHll: The USB doesn't have a UEFI partition ... the BIOS just offers BIOS and UEFI boot options for any removable device... the same for DVDs
[21:51] <jhutchins> !efi
[21:52] <LadyFrHll> I see because I can boot the USB from either or the EFI or tthe kingston which is why I was confused
[21:52] <jhutchins> LadyFrHll: Yes, live will install just fine with nomodeset - you can do an installation entirely in text mode if you need to - but the system may not be smart enough to pick up that parameter when it completes the install - you may have to add it manually.
[21:52] <hitsujiTMO> LadyFrHll: UEFI can boot fat32/fat16/fat12. If it sees one of these partitions it will give you the option to boot in uefi mode, or if not it will boot in legacy mode
[21:52] <TJ-> LadyFrHll: however, that doesn't mean the USB device doesn't have a GPT layout or an EFI system partition - it might have!
[21:53] <jhutchins> TJ-: Except it doesn't.
[21:53] <LadyFrHll> How can I rid of the EFI or UEFI from the USB  just in case
[21:53] <LadyFrHll> I did partition it
[21:53] <LadyFrHll> from a mac as Fat
[21:53] <jhutchins> LadyFrHll: I wouldn't worry about that.
[21:54] <jhutchins> LadyFrHll: If you wrote the installer image to the drive correctly - which you did as the installer appears to run ok - then it wrote the partition table and filesystem along with it and over-wrote your partition.
[21:54] <LadyFrHll> jhutchins, add the grub manually?
[21:55] <jhutchins> LadyFrHll: I haven't practiced this - haven't put linux on EFI in several years now - but the guide above should have the details you need.
[21:55] <oxima23> Hi everyone this is my first time here. Please point me somewhere else if my question is misplaced in this chat: In my first shell script I want to extract the version number from a list of filenames. All files have got the same number at this specific place in their name.
[21:55] <lolcat> Do I really have to use an old ubuntu to get drivers to work?
[21:55] <LadyFrHll> I ok I actually made the partition on the drive myself I wanted boot / home and swap
[21:55] <TJ-> jhutchins: 13.10 liveISO doesn't have EFI? Did it get introduced only for 14.04 then?
[21:56] <LadyFrHll> could that be the problem?
[21:56] <Spec> oxima23: #bash might help better.
[21:56] <jhutchins> LadyFrHll: THis should be all you need to do to fix it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[21:56] <LadyFrHll> ok thanks
[21:56] <jhutchins> TJ-: They work with EFI - I installed Linux on EFI back in ~2008 without any problems from grub or installers.
[21:57] <vaskozl_> ok I fucked up my xkb folder to the point where no keys are working
[21:57] <jhutchins> TJ-: What's she's seeing in the boot menu are the options for the local hard drive (EFI) and the USB  (and whatever else is bootable).
[21:57] <vaskozl_> could someone upload the default one?
[21:57] <vaskozl_> pls!
[21:57] <oxima23> Spec: Thx, I will try it there.
[21:57] <LadyFrHll> I was able to do one successful install onto the hard drive but every install since is failing with the grub
[21:57] <TJ-> jhutchins: thought so... the live ISOs contain an EFI boot partition in the Eltorito boot image catalog
[21:57] <LadyFrHll> such a weird situation
[21:57] <jhutchins> vaskozl_: Lesson learned?
[21:58] <vaskozl_> jhutchins: I think so :D
[21:58] <vaskozl_> jhutchins: back up everything
[21:58] <Spec> vaskozl_: plzed to keep it family friendly
[21:58] <jhutchins> vaskozl_: What's the path?
[21:58] <vaskozl_> /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/
[21:58] <vaskozl_> i typed it by hand
[21:59] <LadyFrHll> SO is my black screen issue other than grub a Graphics card issue?
[21:59] <vaskozl_> but I think that's it
[21:59] <LadyFrHll> the USB flash bots up fine on another ivy bridge system with a Nvidia card 740
[21:59] <jhutchins> vaskozl_: What about just reinstalling xfce4-xkb-plugin ?
[22:00] <vaskozl_> jhutchins: isn't that just the button that allows you to switch the layout without running setxkbmap?
[22:00] <Jeeves_Moss> how do I specify what zone files to transfer for what view to subs?  When I try to do a transfer to a sub, I get the zone files for the internal view, and not the the external view populated for BOTH view files.
[22:00] <vaskozl_> for xfce4-panel?
[22:00] <jhutchins> LadyFrHll: Exactly.
[22:01] <vaskozl_> jhutchins: can you upload one for me?
[22:01] <LadyFrHll> So weird I am thinking maybe the AMD 6800 might have a problem to not sure
[22:01] <LadyFrHll> It is supported though
[22:01] <jhutchins> vaskozl_: No, sorry, that's xkb-data you need.
[22:02] <jhutchins> LadyFrHll: CPUs rarely have problems - the manufactureres provide code to the kernel team directly.
[22:02] <vaskozl_> jhutchins: you are positive?
[22:02] <vaskozl_> so purge and the apt-get?
[22:02] <LadyFrHll> Then def. something goin on with the AMD 6800 graphics card
[22:04] <jeroth> Question:I am on Ubuntu 12.04 and want to upgrade to 13.10. How do I do that when update-manager -d says 14.04?
[22:04] <attrapereves> Hi, I am having trouble with my bootable USB key. I am able to boot, but nothing ever comes up on the screen after the Ubuntu splash screen. I am able to access a terminal.
[22:05] <vaskozl_> jhutchins: thing is - there are 1gb of stuffs that depend on this package
[22:05] <vaskozl_> it wants to remove them all when I apt-get purge
[22:07] <jeroth> vaskozl_: have you tried a "apt-get autoremove"?
[22:07] <vaskozl_> jeroth: it want's to unninstall have of the stuff on my computer
[22:07] <vaskozl_> I DON'T want to do that
[22:08] <vaskozl_> if someone would just be kind enough to upload the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols folder
[22:08] <vaskozl_> I would be so glad
[22:08] <kostkon> !find /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols
[22:09] <vaskozl_> it's a folder
[22:09] <vaskozl_> kostkon: yes I know
[22:09] <kostkon> vaskozl_, reinstall those two packages
[22:09] <Anton__> I'm trying to use openvpn with command line on ubuntu 12.04 solusVM. The problem is that when I try to open my ovpn file with openvpn I get this error: unable to redirect default gateway -- Cannot read default gateway from system
[22:09] <vaskozl_> but the xkb-data has is dependent by half of x and all my drivers
[22:09] <vaskozl_> I wouldn't wan't to remove it
[22:10] <kostkon> vaskozl_, reinsatll, not purge and install again
[22:10] <kostkon> vaskozl_, apt-get install xkb-data --reinstall
[22:10] <jeroth> vaskozl, apt-get install --reinstall xkb-data
[22:11] <vaskozl_> jeroth: oh I c
[22:11] <vaskozl_> you so smart
[22:11] <Anton__> I'm trying to use openvpn with command line on ubuntu 12.04 solusVM. The problem is that when I try to open my ovpn file with openvpn I get this error: unable to redirect default gateway -- Cannot read default gateway from system. Please halp
[22:11] <jeroth> vaskozl_: Ha, not so much.
[22:12] <vaskozl_> jeroth: I LOVE YOU!
[22:12] <vaskozl_> jeroth: my keyboard works!
[22:12] <jeroth> vaskozl_:I love you too. Haha
[22:15] <Atomix26> yo?
[22:16] <Atomix26> Hello!
[22:18] <jhutchins> vaskozl_: Remove it with dpkg - no dependencies.  Re-install it with aptitude -f install.
[22:18] <jhutchins> Thanks to jeroth, wherever he went.  I forget which pkg mgrs have reinstall.
[22:20] <sudormrf> hey guys!  any recommendations for a mail server with a decent web mail ui?
[22:20] <jhutchins> sudormrf: That's two different things.
[22:20] <jhutchins> sudormrf: squirrelmail is pretty good and works with most MTAs.
[22:21] <sudormrf> jhutchins, it is.  let's start with decent mail server
[22:21] <jhutchins> sudormrf: You need an IMAP server.
[22:21] <sudormrf> jhutchins, I will look at squirrel mail
[22:21] <jhutchins> sudormrf: Isn't the default exim4?  Or is it postfix now?
[22:21] <sudormrf> jhutchins, I don't know, that is why I am asking :).
[22:21] <Euclidis> I want manager some routers. Should I configure a server?
[22:21] <jhutchins> sudormrf: Use dovecot, not cyrus.
[22:22] <sudormrf> jhutchins, these are mail server names?
[22:22] <jhutchins> sudormrf: I've used postfix, exim, and sendmail, and really couldn't recommend one above another.  Use whatever Ubutnu's default in your release is, it makes configuration easy.
[22:22] <sudormrf> jhutchins, ok.
[22:23] <jhutchins> sudormrf: This one does postfix: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[22:24] <jhutchins> sudormrf: This one says exim4 is the 12.04 default: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/mail-setup.html
[22:24] <sudormrf> jhutchins, that is the page I was looking at and the one I was considering.  it suggests squirrelmail and openwebmail for web mail pages, but they don't look very appealing (visually).  know of any other web mail things with really nice UI's?
[22:25] <jhutchins> sudormrf: I use squirrelmail.  It works, and it has some flexibility in appearance.
[22:25] <sudormrf> jhutchins, thanks!  I will look in to it some more.
[22:26] <Atomix26> Hey guys, so I used a boot repairer, and it did something weird...
[22:26] <Atomix26> like, it put my /boot/efi on an external disk.
[22:27] <Atomix26> Kinda scared of what will happen when I disconnect the drive...
[22:28] <Al___> Hello.
[22:28] <jhutchins> Atomix26: It probably won't boot any better than before you ran it.
[22:28] <Atomix26> no, actually, now it actually boots
[22:29] <Atomix26> like, booting into ubuntu now works, just /boot/efi references this external hard drive I have
[22:29] <Al___> So... I've installed some new NVIDIA drivers on Ubuntu 13.04.  Now a problem.  My computer won't boot.  In fact,  ctrl+alt+f1 won't work either.  I *do* have access to grub.  Help?
[22:30] <jhutchins> Al___: add nomodeset or boot to rescue mode?
[22:30] <Gallomimia> Atomix26: maybe try running boot repairer with the external disconnected? i don't know
[22:30] <Al___> jhutchins:  How do I boot to rescue mode?
[22:31] <TJ-> Al___: What happened most likely is the initrd.img file was not built properly ... do you have it configured to use a separate partition for the /boot/ file-system?
[22:31] <Anton__> I need help with configuring openvpn to work with ubuntu 12.04 solusVM VPS, when I open my .ovpn file and authenticate myself it says "unable to redirect gateway" - http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/801/op77.png
[22:31] <Al___> TJ-:  I have no idea how to check that.
[22:32] <jhutchins> !rescue
[22:32] <jhutchins> Hm.
[22:32] <TJ-> Anton__: See https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/ticket/324
[22:33] <jhutchins> Al___: I think you hold down shift (if you don't see a grub menu), then you should be able to select rescue mode.
[22:33] <TJ-> Al___: If you can get to the grub boot menu you will be able to boot to an older kernel (which *hopefully* will start)
[22:33] <Atomix26> hmm...
[22:34] <ice9> how to know which peripherals has DMA?
[22:36] <TJ-> ice9: "lspci -vv | grep -B4 BusMaster+"
[22:36] <Al___> jhutchins:  When I boot from my hard drive (which contains ubuntu), I am left with a black screen and a blinking cursor in the upper left corner.
[22:37] <Al___> jhutchins:  ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't do anything from here.
[22:37] <Anton__> TJ-_ so openvpn wont work on my VPS?
[22:38] <ice9> TJ-: so BusMaster is the DMA ability?
[22:38] <hitsujiTMO> Al___:  "I've installed some new NVIDIA drivers on Ubuntu 13.04" - what new drivers exactly and how did you install it? or was it simply just an update?
[22:40] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  I installed one set of NVIDIA drivers by downloading them directly from the NVIDIA website.  With some effort, they installed.  I wanted to be able to write CUDA programs so I tried to install CUDA...
[22:40] <cipherboy> Okay, is anyone available to help with a squashfs problem? When I try mounting it, I get the standard (mount: wrong fs type, etc...). The first time, dmesg simply told me "squashfs: version 4.0 (2009/01/31) Phillip Loughe" and nothing else. The other times, it was silent. unsquashfs -l reports read_uids_guids: failed to read id index table / FATAL ERROR: failed to uid/gid table
[22:41] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Unfortunately, I hit a wrong button and had it install a second set of NVIDIA drivers in addition to the first set.  This is, I think, the source of all my issues.
[22:42] <Al___> Now I'm having trouble trying to get Ubuntu to boot.
[22:42] <hitsujiTMO> !text | Al___ have a loot here. this option will get you to a cli
[22:44] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: you should try to stick with the repo drivers even for CUDA. afaik everything you needs should be there
[22:45] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Thanks.  :)  Once I recover my system, I'll remember that.
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: What way do you have your monitor connected at the moment? is it to the nvidia card or to another gpu?
[22:47] <Al___> ubottu:  Ok, so I have the GNU GRUB version 2.00 menu.  I see "Ubuntu", "Advanced options for Ubuntu", "System Setup".  I can also push "c" to enter the grub command line.
[22:48] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  It's connected to the nvidia card.
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: use 'e' to edit the the default grub entry and add text after quiet splash
[22:49] <k1l> !away | Thorium220
[22:50] <nearst> lol :)
[22:50] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: Unfortunately I'm not familiar with CUDA but I would assume it would be best to use an alternative gpu for xorg and dedicate the gfx card to cuda. Maybe someone here who does have experience can chime in and help describe how to best set it up
[22:50] <Al___> linux /boot/vmlinux-3.8.0-33-generic root=UUID=22509abc-a535-4b88-be71-89757ebc3d8 ro  quiet splash\ $vt_handoff
[22:51] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: change that to linux /boot/vmlinux-3.8.0-33-generic root=UUID=22509abc-a535-4b88-be71-89757ebc3d8 ro  quiet splash text $vt_handoff
[22:51] <T4b> I hear that there is a lot of hard disk access. Which command would I use to find out which program does this?
[22:52] <bekks> T4b: iotop
[22:52] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Ok.  Done.
[22:53] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Now, reboot?
[22:53] <Viking667> how do I make window sizes show up when I resize a window? (Gnome 3 Shell, on Saucy)
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: f10 to boot with that option
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: that change will only work for that session.
[22:55] <vawet> hi guys
[22:55] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:   Great!  I now have a commandline login screen.
[22:55] <vawet> i need some help on my ubuntu dhcp server
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is your xserver log, should give you an idea of where to start looking for the cause of the issue. Nvidia fails tend to be an issue with the kernel module from what I see the most, so the output of: dmesg       might show any module issues
[22:57] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Well, this is embarrassing.  I have forgotten my login name.
[22:59] <nearst> Al___, try service lightdm restart ?
[22:59] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: ahh, lol. you could try rebooting to recovery mode from grub. and: ls /home      to see what your username is. then reboot and try the 'text' kernel option again
[22:59] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Actually... I got it.
[23:00] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  I'm looking at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file right now.
[23:01] <nearst> or .xsession-errors
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: do you have net access at cli?
[23:02] <T4b> bekks: Thanks. So it's something called jbd2/sde2-8 / "Journaling Block Device" , which doesn't help much. sde2 is my primary hard disk. Anyone an idea what this could be?
[23:02] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  You know, I've never actually tried to access the net from cli.  (Other than using curl)
[23:02] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  I should have access to the net.
[23:02] <bekks> T4b: Thats the kernel process thats responsible for the journal of the filesystem on sde2
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: that will generate a url that you can copy here where we can also look at the log for you
[23:04] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  I'm thinking I should name my firstborn after you.
[23:04] <T4b> bekks: I guessed something like this, I meant to ask: Why does it do so much with this journal all of a sudden? Is there something which prompted this?
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: lol
[23:06] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6747499
[23:06] <bekks> T4b: the io cache in your RAM just gets written down to the disk. Which filesystem do you use?
[23:06] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: so line 121 of that log shows: Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module
[23:07] <T4b> bekks: ext4
[23:07] <Viking667> so. If I'm resizing a window, how do I get a little display of how large it is in pixels? (Gnome Shell, Saucy)
[23:07] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: so now look at whats happening with the module: run: dmesg | pastebinit
[23:07] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: this will generate another url
[23:08] <bekks> T4b: It will automatically stop once "everything is done".
[23:08] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6747510/
[23:08] <nearst> Al___, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[23:10] <FireStorms> Is there any migration tools for Ubuntu for gathering your important files together to move them to a different system?
[23:10] <Al___> nearst:  Done.
[23:10] <TJ-> Al___:  you've got mixed nvidia kernel module versions
[23:10] <T4b> bekks: How big is that io cache? Depends on RAM size? Must be pretty big to cause more than 20 minutes of continuous writes when it's written to disk.
[23:10] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: so, your dmesg show it has loaded the 304 module: NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module  304.88  Wed Mar 27 14:26:46 PDT 2013                           but your xorg driver is running 331:  NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  331.20  Wed Oct 30 17:16:53 PDT 2013                  so indeed 2 different drivers
[23:10] <TJ-> Al___: kernel has  304.88;   Xorg sees NVIDIA GLX Module  331.20
[23:11] <Al___> TJ-:  From here, I think I can purge the drivers and be ok.  Right?
[23:11] <Al___> TJ-:  purge the nvidia drivers... that is.
[23:11] <bekks> T4b: free -m shows your RAM usage. And why is it vital wether your harddisks has some I/O while you dont experience IO wait events?
[23:11] <TJ-> Al___: Let hitsujiTMO continue to assist you; I was just pointing that out in case it was misssed
[23:12] <Atomix26> Not a inquiry, but that moment when you don't have to manually re-import your music playlist.
[23:12] <T4b> bekks: The noise is annoying me. :-) It's not really critical.
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: my advise would be to remove the 331 driver first.
[23:13] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Let's see if I can track down that command...
[23:13] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  I'm seeing ---   sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current
[23:14] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: that will be for the 304. check the nvidia driver you downloaded for the command to uninstall that driver
[23:15] <TJ-> Al___:  "dpkg-query -l 'nvidia*' | grep '^ii'  "
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual lists the command as: sudo sh NVIDIA* --uninstall      but that doesn't seem correct to me
[23:16] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  The 331 driver looks like it was from:  NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.20.run
[23:16] <freshmint> hey since some time my rhythmbox fails to update my podcast feeds and it also does not accept adding a new feed
[23:16] <freshmint> is this a known bug
[23:17] <cipherboy> Any tips on recovering a squashfs archive? unsquashfs returns "failed to read id index table" when trying to extract it or view contents;  however, according to the -s flag, there is a valid superblock that can be read.
[23:17] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: try: sudo NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.20.run --uninstall
[23:18] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Yep.  It worked.
[23:18] <phiscribe> cipherboy what media is the archive on?
[23:19] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  The graphical user interface for my operating system should be ok now, right?
[23:19] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: not yet
[23:19] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Again, thanks for this.  :)
[23:20] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  It's great to have access to my OS again.  Even if it's just from the command line.
[23:21] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: lets see what nvidia packages you have installed from repo: dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia | pastebinit
[23:21] <cipherboy> I have tested this with a few different archives, some are fine, some aren't... I tried copying the smaller to my local hard drive and it still failed, so I am guessing media isn't an issue. Device is a DNS-323 SMB mount.
[23:21] <interdpth> Is it possible to uninstall NTFS support?
[23:21] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6747553/
[23:23] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: sudo apt-get purge nvidia-304 nvidia-304-updates nvidia-current nvidia-settings-304 nvidia-settings-304-updates && sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[23:24] <Gambit--> if I install the libssl1.0.0-dbg package, how do I get the libssl1.0.0 source that corresponds to those debug symbols?
[23:25] <phiscribe> cipherboy do you have access to another machine with a earlier kernel
[23:25] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Ok, it's running.
[23:25] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Ok, it's done.
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: whats the output of: ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:26] <cipherboy> phiscribe: I have tested it on two systems, both with the 13.10, but one is 3.11 the other is 3.8. I could see if an older laptop still works and try that, but the files were created by one of the machines, and are squashfs4.0 images.
[23:27] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  It exists.  It shows that it was last updated on Nov 14.
[23:27] <phiscribe> new kerneles i think are more rigorous in their intergrity checks. maybe if you go back far enough you can get something out of it
[23:28] <phiscribe> other than that i dunno
[23:28] <cipherboy> Hm, okay, thanks.
[23:29] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1332 Nov 14 01:21 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: ok, this was configured for the nvidia driver and at the moment is not required, so you can disable it by renaming it: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
[23:30] <phiscribe> maybe like as far back as 2.6
[23:30] <phiscribe> virtual machine maybe
[23:30] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Done.
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: at this point you should be ok on the nouveau driver so try an reboot now and see if it loads the xserver. If it doesn't reboot again and use the text kernel option again
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: after that then you can start deciding on what nvidia driver you want to use for cuda
[23:35] <charlie_sanders> anyone using a joystick with steam ?  I'm using steel series 3gc, the jstest  works fine I see input, but I dont know how to tell steam to use the joystick
[23:35] <charlie_sanders> joystick, thats a funny word
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: is you xserver running?
[23:37] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Well.  I'm getting a password now, and the background for my operating system.
[23:37] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Entering my passwd.
[23:37] <k1l> !away > Thorium220
[23:38] <trism> Gambit--: apt-get source libssl1.0.0-dbg; should get you the right one
[23:38] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Now I can see my background and all my folders.
[23:38] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  But I don't have access to the command panel.
[23:39] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: command panel?
[23:39] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: you mean the launcher?
[23:39] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  For this old version of ubuntu that I am speaking to you from; I believe that it would be  'xfwm4'
[23:40] <xilence> hey guys
[23:40] <Viking667> eh? xfvwm4?
[23:40] <xilence> could I get some help?
[23:40] <Viking667> wow. That is old.
[23:40] <Viking667> xilence: yeah, just ask the question. No doubt someone may have an idea.
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: ok: hit: ctrl + alt + t
[23:40] <xilence> Well I have a few problems but I'll go in order of urgency:
[23:41] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Terminal is up.
[23:41] <xilence> AMD video drivers, I need them. My PC is maxing out and theres black space at the right side of my monitor. It's at 1024 768 whereas it should be at 1280 x 1024
[23:41] <xilence> my GPU is an AMD Radeon HD 4870
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: ok. pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:41] <xilence> I've tried fixing this problem on elementaryOS and Linux Mint, both resulted in failure. :/
[23:41] <xilence> I moved to Ubuntu in hopes that the simplicity and mainstream(ness) would fix this, but it's still present.
[23:41] <zacarias> Can anyone help solving a problem on a Macbook running Ubuntu 12.04.3 (DreamStudio), in which no sound comes out from the headphones nor external loudspeakers? I tried to change things in Alsa Mixer and Sound settings, but with no luck. It does mute the bilt-in speakers and it recognizes the phones (in the sound settings), but no sound comes out from.
[23:42] <lordinvader> Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.04, 64 bit, and a recent update/partial upgrade rendered a lot of i386 packages useless - any idea why? I'm hesitant to remove them since I use the proprietary AMD driver that breaks every time I make some major change to my system.
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: maybe nouveau is still blacklisted. we'll see what driver has been loaded
[23:42] <lordinvader> Full list here - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6747638/
[23:43] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6747649/
[23:43] <thurstylark> can anyone tell me why irssi in screen doesn't render the same way as on its own?
[23:44] <coventry`> Any suggestions for why a program would run fine from the CL, but fall over without logging anything when run under supervisor?
[23:44] <TJ-> coventry`: Different environments
[23:44] <bekks> coventry`: Which program in detail?
[23:45] <coventry`> storm, the distributed computation system. https://github.com/nathanmarz/storm/wiki/Setting-up-a-Storm-cluster
[23:45] <xilence> Anyone?
[23:45] <coventry`> I will pull out the env vars and compare.
[23:46] <bekks> coventry`: Look at the processor features exposed, too.
[23:46] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: ok, so you're on vesa so mostelikely nouveau is still blacklisted. let's see if there's a blacklist for it: ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/ | pastebinit
[23:47] <coventry`> Ah, looks like it might be a problem with java env vars.
[23:48] <Quetza> Is there a recommended way to use newer versions of software for 12.04.3? I'm using some external libraries and would like to use the most recent versions, but the packages in apt-get are all 2 years old. Is there an Ubuntu-standard way of dealing with this?
[23:49] <k1l> Quetza: use a PPA
[23:51] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6747668/
[23:52] <coventry`> bekks: BTW, what do you mean by processor features?
[23:52] <Quetza> k1|: how do I find the right PPA for the packages I want? (I'm coming from FreeBSD so this is completely unfamiliar to me)
[23:52] <k1l> Quetza: search on launchpad.net that is where the PPAs are managed (beside other stuff like bugs etc)
[23:53] <Viking667> whoops, sorry. I'm back.
[23:53] <TJ-> Quetza: There is a -backports archive that will contains some updated packages. PPA = Personal Package Archive, is where unofficial packages by countless devs and others are built and served from
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: nothing significant there, try: cat /etc/modprobe.d/* | grep nouveau
[23:53] <Viking667> xilence: you still here?
[23:53] <k1l> !ppa | Quetza
[23:54] <Viking667> so, what shows up in a Terminal when you run xrandr?
[23:54] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: any response from that command?
[23:54] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  nouveau is blacklisted
[23:54] <Viking667> lol.
[23:54] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  blacklist nouveau
[23:55] <Quetza> thank you. So are these PPA's trust-able? Or should I be building from source?
[23:55] <xilence> Viking667
[23:55] <xilence> I'm still here, still need your help too lol
[23:56] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: given the date the entry is probably in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf                      edit that with: sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf                                  and remove the blacklist or comment it out
[23:56] <demophobia> Is ubuntu-restricted-extras properly called a 'package'? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[23:56] <Viking667> xilence: so. What shows up when you type "xrandr" into a terminal?
[23:56] <xilence> 1024 768 and below
[23:57] <sgz86> how do you disable unity?
[23:57] <xilence> it should be up to 1280 1024
[23:57] <k1l> sgz86: install a different desktop enviroment
[23:57] <hitsujiTMO> demophobia: yes. its a 'meta-package' but its a package none the less
[23:58] <demophobia> Why is it called a 'meta' package?
[23:58] <k1l> demophobia: it just links to other packages
[23:58] <hitsujiTMO> demophobia: its doesn't actually install anything itself. its dependencies and recommends actually install the files
[23:58] <demophobia> oh, okay. thank you.
[23:59] <Al___> hitsujiTMO:  Ok, I commented out the 'blacklist nouveau' directive.
[23:59] <demophobia> do you mean 'it checks dependencies'?
[23:59] <hitsujiTMO> Al___: reboot
[23:59] <demophobia> erm
[23:59] <demophobia> no, your grammar is clear ... i guess i don't know what 'dependencies' and 'recommends' are.
[23:59] <k1l> demophobia: no, checking depencies does apt or dpjg
[23:59] <k1l> *dpkg


[19:13] <Mooncairn> Nautilus depends upon tracker.
[19:13] <Mooncairn> It's locking up on me constantly because tracker is currently broken on my system.
[19:20]  * Mooncairn is crossing fingers and hoping that a full reset of the tracker db fixes things.
[20:37] <cmaloney> hoping that works


[02:49] <SergioMeneses> buenas...
[16:53] <zul> hi
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> o/
[16:58] <kirkland> o/
[16:59] <smb>  /o\
[16:59] <JFo>  /o/ \o\ /o/
[16:59] <JFo> :)
[17:00] <smb> JFo, Just in case this will be the server team meeting I believe. ;)
[17:00] <JFo> yeah
[17:00]  * JFo lurks
[17:01] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: do not suffer the lazy and tardy.. I suggest that you begin! :)
[17:01] <RoAkSoAx> #startmeeting
[17:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is RoAkSoAx.
[17:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:01] <jamespage> o/
[17:02] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[17:02] <RoAkSoAx> First of:
[17:02] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey to submit UDS-O topic for translations and docs
[17:02] <RoAkSoAx> what's the status
[17:02] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: ?
[17:02] <Daviey> I've spoken to David P about it... he seems excited, and will certianlly attend
[17:03] <Daviey> So it's essentially done, it will happen - just not drafted
[17:03] <Daviey> Mark as done
[17:03] <Daviey> sorry for being brief - otp.
[17:03] <RoAkSoAx> alrighty!
[17:03] <RoAkSoAx> let's move on then
[17:03] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage to helpout with verification of euca-dhcp bug
[17:04] <zul> i think thats been done
[17:04] <robbiew> o.
[17:04] <robbiew> o/
[17:04] <jamespage> Verified - yes - by me - no - required - no - so mark as DONE
[17:04] <robbiew> sorry..late
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: awesome!
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage to discover process/location for fixing ubuntu server documentation
[17:04] <jamespage> OK - so docs here are now up-to-date : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Documentor resources
[17:05] <jamespage> We where not far off TBH - loads of stuff on the documentation team wiki pages as well
[17:05] <smoser> o/'
[17:05] <RoAkSoAx> any further action to be taken?
[17:06] <jamespage> not from my perspective
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> alrighty then. Let's move on then
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Natty Development
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Development
[17:06] <RoAkSoAx> robbiew: ^^
[17:07] <robbiew> so...I'd like to propose Daviey take this section over ;)
[17:07] <SpamapS> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server.html
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server.html
[17:07] <SpamapS> still a few items remaining
[17:07]  * Daviey is off the phone
[17:07] <robbiew> I can cut and paste links...as above ;)
[17:07] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: go for it :)
[17:07] <robbiew> in terms of development...I'm more interested in Bugs now anyway
[17:08] <Daviey> Sorry, somewhat unprepared.
[17:08] <robbiew> any remaining work items should be universe related or non-code
[17:08] <robbiew> Daviey: no worries...I'm always that way :P
[17:08] <Daviey> I think mainly, people need to make sure the blueprints are updated.
[17:08] <SpamapS> Daviey: do we still have an auto-generated report from the server-n* tags ?
[17:09] <Daviey> SpamapS, Yes
[17:09] <Daviey> That is what i've mainly been tracking this week tbh.. it's more uselful at this stage for specific bug tracking,than WI.
[17:09] <Daviey> IMO
[17:09] <SpamapS> awesome. ;)
[17:09] <Daviey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=server-nrs
[17:09] <SpamapS> WI is almost done anyway, so yeah bugs are where its at. :)
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> awesome then
[17:10] <RoAkSoAx> anyone has anything to add?
[17:10] <SpamapS> Should show milestoned bugs as purple on the WI tracker. ;)
[17:11] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, ok to move on...
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> alright, I guess there's nothing else,
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[17:11] <Daviey> but make sure WI's are up to date :)
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Team Events
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> any event coming up?
[17:11] <SpamapS> TOMORROW I'm speaking at the MySQL User's Conference about Drizzle in Natty
[17:11] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: \o/
[17:11] <SpamapS> Santa Clara, CA .. be there, or be square.
[17:12] <zul> ill be there...just not this week
[17:12] <jamespage> Good luck SpamapS - is it due to be video cast?
[17:12] <SpamapS> jamespage: not likely, its a massive event.
[17:12] <Daviey> SpamapS, Looking forward to reading your blog post about it :)
[17:12] <SpamapS> jamespage: and it will be at 3:15pm UTC -0700 ..
[17:12] <RoAkSoAx> maybe would be a good thing to video tape all the events/talks on which ubuntu server member participate, to share them with the community
[17:13] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, Thanks for volunteering to be the team camera man.
[17:13] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: no worries if I can travel lol :)
[17:13] <zul> you stole my soull..
[17:13] <RoAkSoAx> anyway, let's move on
[17:13] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[17:13] <RoAkSoAx> hggdh: you are up
[17:13] <Daviey> hey hggdh o/
[17:13] <hggdh> yo
[17:13]  * SpamapS just finished downloading the latest iso's
[17:14] <hggdh> going thru euca now
[17:14] <SpamapS> its ISO testing time yes?
[17:14] <Daviey> SpamapS, cautionary
[17:14] <hggdh> initial ISO tests via jenkins are all done, with success except for ec2 -- will discuss with jamespage
[17:15] <Daviey> The current posted ISO will be deprecated later today, so not too much investment... But sniffing is useful.
[17:15] <jamespage> hggdh - they have not been run yet.
[17:15] <hggdh> jamespage: they _were_ running this morning (mine morning)
[17:15] <Daviey> hggdh / jamespage: Is there any news on email failures of failed jenkins tests?
[17:15] <hggdh> Daviey: no, yet to look at it
[17:16] <Daviey> ok, thanks
[17:16] <jamespage> hggdh: that was some adhoc testing to determine whether we where still getting network failures on startup - looked OK
[17:16] <hggdh> I think it would be more productive to discuss jenkins usage on UDS -- where we would like it to go
[17:16] <hggdh> instead of just ad-hoc additions
[17:16] <hggdh> jamespage: roger, thanks
[17:17] <jamespage> hggdh: agree
[17:17] <RoAkSoAx> alright, I guess a session will be held at UDS
[17:17] <RoAkSoAx> anything else to add?
[17:17] <hggdh> ..
[17:17] <hggdh> :-)
[17:17] <RoAkSoAx> moving one then
[17:17] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[17:17] <Daviey> one mo
[17:18] <smb> evening
[17:18] <Daviey> hggdh, are you going to drive a blueprint on that?
[17:18] <Daviey> (sorry smb)
[17:18]  * smb waits
[17:18] <hggdh> Daviey: I can. Under QA, you mind?
[17:19] <Daviey> hggdh, that sounds like a good place!
[17:19] <Daviey> Thanks
[17:19] <Daviey> smb, Hi o/
[17:19] <smb> I am good to go? :)
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> smb: the floor is yours now :)
[17:19] <smb> Ok, I try to leave as qquickly
[17:20] <smb> Basically main task is still going on lucid-ec2 patches
[17:20] <smb> now at 16 new and 35 changed of the 147 to go
[17:20] <Daviey> smb, Do you have the bug numbers handy?
[17:20] <smb> That has not yet a bug number
[17:20] <Daviey> Are they tagged?
[17:21] <smb> I will need to create one of "bring our patchset up to date with the one we were taking our  patches from"
[17:21] <zul> smb: may god have mercy on your soul
[17:21] <Daviey> smb, sounds good to me... We appreciate this :)
[17:22] <smb> I had been booting somewhere in the middle on ec2 and it surprisingly worked
[17:22] <SpamapS> Have we run automated ec2 tests since bug 731878 was fixed?
[17:22] <smb> But ok, atm it does not compile again
[17:23] <smb> SpamapS, Hm, I don't know
[17:23] <jamespage> SpamapS: yes - I was unable to run in all regions but I did not see any instances failing to startup - http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/natty-ec2/job/natty_server_ec2_adhoc/5/
[17:24] <smb> In the spare time I only looked over bug 751253
[17:25] <smb> But really that sounds a bit like maybe xen version or actually a lot of traffic as that machine had 500GB going out in 5 days
[17:25] <SpamapS> jamespage: will keep fingers crossed that it was indeed this kernel bug. :)
[17:25] <jamespage> SpamapS: me to!
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> alright, anything else to add?
[17:26] <smb> I would not have more if there are no questions
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> anyone with questions?
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> I guess not. Moving on:
[17:26] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[17:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> I believe it is time for us to consider removing this topic from the agenda
[17:27] <SpamapS> Well
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: have you been in recent contact with sommer?
[17:27] <SpamapS> I'd like to see the contact person changed.
[17:27] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: sounds like you are volunteering :)
[17:27] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: no, but I haven't tried much. Adam has moved on for now. :-/
[17:28] <SpamapS> I would love to do it, but I doubt I'd be very effective at actually getting things done.
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> I guess that for now we can remove the item from the agenda till we have a replacement to cover this topic
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> any objections?
[17:29] <RoAkSoAx> I'll take that as a yes to remove it from the agenda then
[17:29] <RoAkSoAx> ok, so moving on
[17:30] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[17:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[17:30] <kim0> Howdy everyone o/ .. Got a quick announcement to make
[17:30] <kim0> I will be running a weekly community IRC meeting for the Ensemble team. This will be run in #ubuntu-cloud starting tomorrow at 6pm-UTC, it will be merged with the older community meeting. Everyone attending this meeting is a good candidate to attend tomorrow's
[17:30] <kim0> That meeting will provide a high level overview of development in the Ensemble world since last meeting/week
[17:30] <kim0> I'm writing an announcement on http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ right now, which I'll mirror on planet, and everyone is encouraged to spread/tweet...etc
[17:30] <kim0> That's all for me
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> awesome!
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> anyone else with questions/suggestions/or anything?
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> let's move on then
[17:31] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[17:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[17:31] <SpamapS> Oh hah I missed that.
[17:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: anyone else throwing a Natty Release Party?
[17:32]  * SpamapS would like to thank Time Warner's extreme lag for that wrong/window
[17:32] <kim0> hehe
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: throught FL yes... miami... uhmmm it is hard enough to get an Ubuntu hour
[17:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: here's one we're having in Austin: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/04/austins-natty-release-party.html
[17:33] <zul> ill be doing my customary release party thing...sleeping
[17:33] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: unfortunately, not even my Univerty's LUG is that much involved in events
[17:33] <kirkland> zul: heh
[17:33] <kirkland> zul: don't get toooo excited now
[17:34] <RoAkSoAx> ok so anyone else attending/organizing a release party?
[17:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: apparently not :-)
[17:34] <RoAkSoAx> or is everybody gonna party with zul in their dreams?
[17:35] <zul> that sounds bad
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> heheh
[17:35]  * RoAkSoAx blames it to the language barrier
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> :P
[17:35] <kirkland> well, I'm going to drink a beer in celebration of Natty, and one more in looking forward to Oneiric
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: +1. I might do it alone but at least I'll have a beer
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> anyways.
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> let's end the meeting
[17:36] <RoAkSoAx> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time Tuesday, April 19th 2011 16:00 UTC
[17:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time Tuesday, April 19th 2011 16:00 UTC
[17:36] <RoAkSoAx> see you all next week same time/place
[17:36] <RoAkSoAx> #endmeeting
[17:36] <kirkland> \o
[17:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:36.
[17:59] <JFo> o/
[17:59] <apw> o/
[17:59] <herton> o/
[17:59] <sconklin> \o
[17:59] <jjohansen> \o
[17:59] <sforshee> o/
[18:00] <bjf> #startmeeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf.
[18:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:00] <bjf> ##
[18:00] <bjf> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[18:00] <bjf> ##
[18:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[18:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[18:00] <bjf> # Meeting Etiquette
[18:00] <bjf> #
[18:00] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:00] <bjf> #       'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized)
[18:00] <bjf> #
[18:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo)
[18:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics (JFo)
[18:00] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (10 bugs, 8 Blueprints)
[18:00] <JFo> [18:00] <JFo>  * 4 linux kernel bugs (up 2)
[18:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap4 bugs (no change)
[18:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap4 bug (no change)
[18:00] <JFo> [18:00] <JFo>  * 32 linux kernel bugs (up 5)
[18:00] <JFo>  * 1 linux-ti-omap4 bugs (changed to package omap4)
[18:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap4 bug (changed to package omap4)
[18:00] <JFo> [18:00] <JFo>  * 6 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints)
[18:00] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo>  * 6 Linux Bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo> changed to only reflect linux package bugs
[18:01] <JFo>  * 15 Linux Bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo>  * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]]
[18:01] <JFo>  * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]]
[18:01] <JFo> ..
[18:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[18:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[18:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[18:01] <JFo> * nothing to report today
[18:01] <JFo> ..
[18:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara)
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara)
[18:01] <apw> o/
[18:01] <apw> The natty kernel is now at v2.6.38-8.42 (v<IP_ADDRESS> based) [thank you Leann], following the upstream stable branch.  Following some uploads for compiler changes we are now frozen for the natty-beta-2 release.  We are also going to be in Kernel Freeze by the itime we come out of beta freeze.  This implies that from now on we will only take high priority bugs before release.  It also implies we now need full SRU acks for all changes.
[18:01] <apw> ..
[18:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf)
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf)
[18:02] <sconklin> ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || All kernels in this cycle are awaiting signoff by certification and QA, and are then ready to be published.
[18:02] <sconklin> ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || The Lucid kernel was respun after verification to add a single patch that resolves a regression. This single
[18:02] <sconklin> || patch was cherry-picked from the set of upstream stable patches which are currently queued for the next
[18:02] <sconklin> || Lucid update, and therefore does not requrie verification.
[18:02] <sconklin> ||
[18:02] <sconklin> ..
[18:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[18:02] <sconklin> || Package                                    || Upd/Sec              || Proposed             ||  TiP || Verified ||
[18:02] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || dapper   linux-source-2.6.15               || 2.6.15-57.94         || 2.6.15-57.95         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:02] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || karmic   linux-ec2                         || 2.6.31-308.28        || 2.6.31-308.29        ||    1 ||        1 ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.31-23.74         || 2.6.31-23.75         ||    1 ||        1 ||
[18:02] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || lucid    linux-ec2                         || 2.6.32-314.27        || 2.6.32-315.28        ||    5 ||        5 ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || ---      linux-ports-meta                  || <IP_ADDRESS>.23         || <IP_ADDRESS>.23         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick  || <IP_ADDRESS>.36         || <IP_ADDRESS>.37         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || ---      linux-lts-backport-maverick       || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1  || 2.6.35-28.50~lucid1  ||   13 ||       13 ||
[18:02] <sconklin> || ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.32    || 2.6.32-30.29         || 2.6.32-31.31         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:03] <sconklin> || ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.34.4               || 1.34.7               ||    1 ||        1 ||
[18:03] <sconklin> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.32-30.59         || 2.6.32-31.61         ||    5 ||        5 ||
[18:03] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta                        || <IP_ADDRESS>.36         || <IP_ADDRESS>.37         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:03] <sconklin> || ---      linux-meta-ec2                    || <IP_ADDRESS>4.15        || <IP_ADDRESS>5.16        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:03] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[18:03] <sconklin> || maverick linux-backports-modules-2.6.35    || 2.6.35-28.19         || 2.6.35-28.20         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[18:03] <sconklin> || ---      linux-ti-omap4                    || 2.6.35-903.21        || 2.6.35-903.22        ||    1 ||        1 ||
[18:03] <sconklin> || ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.38.5               || 1.38.6               ||    2 ||        1 ||
[18:03] <sconklin> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.35-28.49         || 2.6.35-28.50         ||    7 ||        7 ||
[18:03] <sconklin> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[18:03] <sconklin> ..
[18:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:03] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[18:03] <JFo>  655 Natty Bugs (up 81)
[18:03] <JFo>  1255 Maverick Bugs (up 3)
[18:03] <JFo>  1064 Lucid Bugs (up 3)
[18:03] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:03] <JFo> [18:03] <JFo>   * 47 maverick bugs (up 1)
[18:03] <JFo>   * 77 lucid bugs (no change)
[18:03] <JFo>   * 6 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:03] <JFo>   * 0 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:03] <JFo> [18:03] <JFo>   * 335 natty bugs (up 48)
[18:03] <JFo>   * 249 maverick bugs (up 3)
[18:03] <JFo>   * 223 lucid bugs (up 1)
[18:03] <JFo>   * 38 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo> [18:04] <JFo>   * 17 natty bugs (up 2)
[18:04] <JFo>   * 1 maverick bugs (up 1)
[18:04] <JFo>   * 0 lucid bugs (no change)
[18:04] <JFo>   * 0 karmic bug (no change)
[18:04] <JFo> ..
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:04] <JFo> nothing to report
[18:04] <JFo> ..
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)
[18:04] <JFo> nothing to report
[18:04] <JFo> ..
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[18:04] <bjf> thanks everyone
[18:04] <bjf> #endmeeting
[18:04] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:04.
[18:04] <JFo> thanks bjf that is a record
[18:04] <JFo> :)
[18:05] <sconklin> a new record!
[18:05] <sconklin> Thanks
[18:05] <apw> speedy indeed :)
[18:05] <ppisati> a new record :)
[18:07] <smb> There has been a meeting? :-P
[19:07]  * wendar waves
[19:07] <wendar> Who's here for the ARB meeting?
[19:07]  * stgraber waves
[19:08]  * wendar pinging others
[19:10] <wendar> we may not have enough people for voting, but we can at least do status updates
[19:12] <wendar> #startmeeting
[19:12] <wendar> [TOPIC] Review action items
[19:12] <wendar> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda
[19:12] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:12. The chair is wendar.
[19:12] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review action items
[19:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda
[19:14] <wendar> stgraber: I don't know of any progress on the actions from last meeting, do you?
[19:14] <stgraber> nope, there wasn't anything on the mailing-list, so I guess it's safe to carry them all over to the next meeting
[19:15] <wendar> carried over
[19:15] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review
[19:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review
[19:15] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board
[19:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board
[19:16] <wendar> no changes on existing proposals
[19:16] <stgraber> hmm, not sure why suspended-sentence is still listed on the wiki, it's been on extras.u.c for a while now
[19:17] <stgraber> pytask still hasn't moved a bit (waiting for new version)
[19:17] <wendar> good point, I'll remove suspended-sentence
[19:17] <wendar> there's an update proposal for the news app
[19:17] <stgraber> we have a new version of news that needs reviewing. I can take it as I did a quick review of the previous version
[19:17] <stgraber> do, you were faster :)
[19:18] <stgraber> *doh
[19:18] <wendar> :)
[19:19] <stgraber> I assigned the news update to me and will review the change soon. Shouldn't be too hard at least, the packaging should already be good
[19:20] <stgraber> so this one should be ready for approval + upload at our next meeting
[19:21] <wendar> excellent
[19:21] <wendar> I think that's it for proposal review
[19:22] <wendar> [TOPIC] Chair for next meeting
[19:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chair for next meeting
[19:22] <wendar> strgraber: do you want to chair next time?
[19:22] <wendar> or, should we skip it, since it's release week?
[19:22] <stgraber> I'd be tempted to skip it as it's release week and we'll all be busy with other stuff
[19:23] <stgraber> would be cool if we could have quorum for our next meeting
[19:24] <wendar> our next meeting after release week is at UDS
[19:24] <stgraber> I'm probably going to ask for other ARB members to go vote for the news update directly in the bug report once it's in good shape
[19:24] <wendar> so, hopefully we can do it face-to-face
[19:24] <wendar> that's a good idea
[19:25] <wendar> we should talk at UDS about making ticket sign-offs the primary voting strategy
[19:25] <stgraber> yep, meeting at UDS would be good. Not sure how much of ARB is going to be in Budapest, but probably more than we currently have in this meeting anyway :)
[19:25] <wendar> you, me, mvo, and hopefully ajmitch
[19:25] <wendar> IIRC, fagan couldn't make it
[19:26] <wendar> I'll update the agenda to note UDS as the next meeting
[19:28] <wendar> sounds like a wrap
[19:28] <stgraber> indeed
[19:28] <wendar> #endmeeting
[19:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:28.
[19:28] <wendar> thanks, stgraber!
[19:29] <stgraber> thanks
[20:11] <mvo> wendar: I'm happy to attend a meeting at UDS
[20:11] <mvo> (I know I'm later :/)


[16:20] <LjL> hi. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java used to be a pretty long page, admittedly a bit confusing, which however did list in detail several alternatives that were available for running Java code, describing their freeness, etc. now it's little more than a stub, with "please don't edit, being merged with the server guide". is the old content intended to be placed anywhere at all? what's the rationale behind integrating JRE information (which is something
[16:20] <LjL> people use daily on desktops) into the *server* guide?
[21:12] <Justin10ec> Hello.. I want to get involved with the Documentation Team. I have a few questions, though.
[21:13] <Justin10ec> As part of the documentation team, what exactly would I help with? Would it consist of correcting grammar/spelling errors, rewording to make better sense, etc?
[21:20] <Atamira> yes it would
[21:20] <Atamira> theres a wiki page to help you start
[21:20] <Atamira> let me see if i can find it for you
[21:20] <Justin10ec> Atamira, Do I just jump in?
[21:21] <Atamira> yep..you can..oh and join the mailing list
[21:21] <Justin10ec> Atamira, I've found the wiki page.
[21:21] <Justin10ec> Atamira, I just did :)
[21:21] <Atamira> oh good..welcome to the team
[21:21] <Atamira> if you ahve any queries, you might be lucky to get someone in here..
[21:22] <Atamira> so send them to the mailing list
[21:23] <Justin10ec> Atamira, Alright. Thanks for your help. May I ask, how long have you helped with the documentation?
[21:24] <Atamira> since they started
[21:24] <Atamira> tho i had to stop when i moved countries, and i just didnt get back into it
[21:24] <Atamira> i only moderate the mailing list now
[21:25] <Justin10ec> Atamira, That's awesome.
[21:25] <Justin10ec> Atamira, I've wanted to help with Ubuntu for a long time now :b
[21:25] <Atamira> well you're here now
[21:25] <Atamira> thats all thta matters
[21:26] <Justin10ec> I'm reading the Grammar page now. I think I'm going to make my mother read it. She's pretty bad with Grammar.
[21:27] <Atamira> heh
[21:27] <Atamira> its all good
[21:28] <Atamira> i gotta goto work
[21:28] <Atamira> have a good day


[12:49] <ColonelPanic001> https://i.imgur.com/boKUxbA.png
[12:56] <ColonelPanic001> if anyone uses screen and would like to solve a mystery
[22:40] <jrwren> whoa! how did you do that?
[23:08] <cmaloney> I think that's why it's a mystery