[00:27] <bim> my bluetooth applet has disappeared.
[00:31] <NoiseBO1> What to do when adding a module to the blacklist does NOT prevent it from loading at boot time?
[00:46] <neur1> how can i turn off conky thru the term?
[00:46] <TheSheep> neur1: maybe kill it?
[00:48] <neur1> what would be the line, i tried kill conky
[00:50] <seisen> you can always use top with root priveleges and kill it that way
[00:50] <somerville32> kilall conky
[00:51] <evil_tech> is there a linux equivalent to WinAudit or Belarc Advisor?
[00:51] <somerville32> I have no idea
[00:51] <TheSheep> evil_tech: don't assume we knowanything about windows
[00:51] <neur1> killall conky
[00:52] <neur1> thanks!
[00:52] <evil_tech> they are programs that pull serial numbers, manufacturer and general specs off the hardware in your machine
[00:52] <evil_tech> i really dont want to tear this Vaio apart just to get serial numbers off the board and hard disks
[00:53] <TheSheep> evil_tech: try lshw
[00:55] <evil_tech> has anyone told you you rock Sheep?
[00:55] <evil_tech> thanks
[00:55] <seisen> http://hardinfo.berlios.de/HomePage
[01:10] <evil_tech> well the hardinfo thing is cool but it crashes. i like command line stuff better.
[01:19] <burner> somerville32: you ever get contacted by the eeeXubuntu guy?
[01:19] <burner> i got an email saying he would
[01:19] <burner> middle of finals and he's a student... yadda yadda yadda
[01:20] <somerville32> burner, Yea, he is in #xubuntu-devel right now :P
[01:28] <burner> sweet
[02:13] <rizenine> Question, I have Xubuntu installed, and it looks good, but when I install the nvidia drivers everything gets big.
[02:13] <rizenine> What is causing this?
[02:13] <rizenine> I have it set to the correct resolution.
[02:17] <rizenine> I see the default depth is 16 for nv driver and 24 for the nvidia. Not sure that matters.
[02:18] <rizenine> The glx mod is loaded, but that looks like the only difference.
[03:19] <neur1> do you use firestarter? how and what do i add policies . . .
[03:50] <baron327> hello
[04:06] <Vash63> Trying to find a really simple, small Linux version that will run well on a 1Ghz Celeron with 128MB of RAM... xubuntu graphical installer keeps locking up.
[04:06] <Vash63> At least X does, the kernel seems to still be going but I can't even ctrl-alt-f2 or anything to get out, it spins up the CD but the screen never changes.
[04:13] <burner> anyone know how to get gedit to open/save ftp files?  i already added ftp to the available vfs points in gconf-editor
[04:13] <burner> I have libgnomevfs2-bin
[04:13] <burner> but i still can't file, open, and type an ftp;// location
[04:52] <gerro> hey can someone tell me what program is pulled up when you run applications > settings > login window
[04:53] <gerro> I seem to have deleted that entry from menu :(
[04:56] <octoberdan> What's the command to bring up a printer manager?
[04:56] <octoberdan> Is there one for xubuntu?
[05:01] <gerro> octoberdan: umm applications> settings> printing
[05:01] <gerro> do you mean like a systray icon?
[05:02] <burner> gerro: gdmsetup
[05:03] <octoberdan> I meant more a wizard for adding printers, if there is one or one I could install
[05:03] <octoberdan> and the command that would start it
[05:03] <octoberdan> sudo apt-get install gnome-cups-manager && gnome-cups-manager
[05:03] <octoberdan> Problem solved, thank you
[05:04] <octoberdan> Ha! Printer was already installed
[05:07] <octoberdan> Now to find where cups-pdf saves..
[05:16] <neur1> what's a good iso burner?
[05:28] <burner> brasero
[05:28] <burner> octoberdan: ~/PDF
[05:57] <greenman1itch> Hello. I have an Atheros wifi card and upon booting Ubuntu for the first time it displayed my network but it won't connect to it
[05:57] <greenman1itch> there are no error messages
[09:11] <gerro> how do you update a bios???
[09:12] <gerro> !bios
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bios - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <gerro> been stuck on this issue for some time :(
[09:13] <gerro> most just don't get it a floppy or its image or any hint of a floppy is too small and obsolete to do anything with new bios?
[09:14] <gerro> anyway some new feature got thrown into 7.10 recently and I need the newer bios update "prevents random power offs" just like all the windows users do now too
[09:19] <gerro> nvm I'm using this flash drive perhaps I can get something working like that
[09:29] <Zombie> I honestly don't know./
[09:44] <gerro> Zombie: no prob I found my usb stick so I'll do it that way
[09:44] <Zombie> Anyone familiar with lockup issues under Ubuntu Gutsy if LDAP is enabled in nsswitch?
[10:55] <Hattori> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=642887 anybody know why that happen?
[15:00] <nvm57> Hi, this might be pretty stupid question, but anyway, xubuntu is free for persons, but is it also free for companies? Or does it need license?
[15:00] <vinze> nvm57, yes, free of charge for everyone
[15:01] <nvm57> so there isn't any smallprind anywhere? : )
[15:01] <nvm57> *smallprint
[15:01] <vinze> Nope :)
[15:01] <nvm57> thank you : )
[15:01] <vinze> Well, technically, if you were going to make your own versions there are things to keep in mind, but not for using it ;-)
[15:02] <thegeeker> There is small print if you modify it and redistribute it commercially I believe
[15:02] <thegeeker> Usual GPL stuff
[15:02] <nvm57> oki
[15:02] <vinze> thegeeker, yeah, and then you have to keep *all* the different licenses in mind, blabla...
[15:59] <peterpan_> i am using kubuntu. i cant setup my tv tuner. alpha tv tuner. i went to linuxtv.com and installled the dvb . i used kdetv and mythtv. i cant make it work. any help?
[15:59] <vinze> peterpan_, see #kubuntu
[16:00] <peterpan_> k
[16:02] <peterpan_> - iam new. i just know i have alpha tv tuner card.
[16:03] <vinze> peterpan_, yeah well, if you use Kubuntu then #kubuntu is probably the best place to ask, and perhaps #kdetv and #mythtv exist too
[16:03] <vinze> peterpan_, there's also the Mythbuntu distribution
[16:04] <peterpan_> k
[16:04] <peterpan_> mythbuntu.. whats that
[16:05] <vinze> peterpan_, http://www.mythbuntu.org/
[16:05] <vinze> An Ubuntu derivative with MythTV
[16:06] <peterpan_> thx
[16:08] <peterpan_> ic
[16:11] <bart1105> good day!
[16:12] <vinze> Hey bart1105
[16:12] <bart1105> hey vinze
[16:13] <bart1105> i have a little, problem, i can play dvds on my laptop running xubuntu gutsy, using vlc but i can't seem to play vcds?
[16:16] <vinze> bart1105, VLC's wiki says it can play them, but includes special instructions, have you followed those? http://wiki.videolan.org/VCD
[16:17] <bart1105> not yet. its beem more than a week with no net connection for me.. i'll check it. thanks
[16:17] <vinze> bart1105, it says "you can play a VCD in VLC by selecting Open Disc from the File menu, and selecting the VCD option. "
[16:18] <bart1105> i did that and it won't play
[16:18] <vinze> bart1105, and from a terminal window: "vlc vcd:///dev/dvd"
[16:18] <bart1105> i'll try the terminal..
[16:20] <vinze> Gotta go, good luck
[16:21] <bart1105> ok thanx
[16:41] <digweed> hello
[16:41] <digweed> anyone ???
[16:42] <digweed> IS ANYONE ONLINE ??????
[16:43] <digweed> hello ???
[16:44] <digweed> i need some help with my video card driver
[16:44] <digweed> is anyone online ????
[16:44] <digweed> alguien conectado ?
[17:59] <peterpan_> how to use my tv card (alpha tv tuner card) ? http://pastebin.ca/822256
[18:29] <evil_tech> whats a good torrent program for Xubuntu
[18:30] <zoredache> if you can live with the command line, then bittornado is nice
[18:31] <evil_tech> i like command line. is the man page on it pretty informative?
[18:32] <zoredache> the manpage is pretty informative...
[18:32] <seisen> deluge isn't bad either
[18:33] <zoredache> usually I make a directory /var/torrents, and then run 'btlaunchmanycurses.bittornado --max_upload_rate 100 /var/torrents' inside screen
[18:33] <zoredache> all I have to do is save the .torrent files in /var/torrents, and remove them from that folder when things are done
[18:33] <evil_tech> nice
[18:34] <evil_tech> downloading bittornado and deluge now. think ill play with them both and see which one i like better
[18:38] <scotta316> I've tried them both and ended up going back to using utorrent under wine.
[18:38] <zoredache> downloading?   bittornado is avialable in apt...
[18:43] <scotta316> evil_tech: I've tried them both and went back to using utorrent under wine.
[18:48] <evil_tech> i like azureus but its a mem hog
[18:49] <evil_tech> deluge seems to be working fine for so far
[19:19] <Piratero> hello
[19:19] <evil_tech> hi
[19:49] <Piratero> i compiled the kernel and now the cpu usage is at 100% no matter what
[19:49] <Piratero> ha
[19:49] <Piratero> it boots up faster, but seems to run slower
[19:50] <zoredache> well you broke something... now you have to figure out what
[19:50] <Piratero> yep
[19:50] <zoredache> did you compile it the debian way?
[19:50] <Piratero> well, i'll just make some subtle changes here and there
[19:50] <zoredache> make-kpkg
[19:50] <Piratero> yeah
[19:51] <Piratero> i ran dpkg, etc
[19:51] <zoredache> did you stick with the source from the repository, or go from something new off kernel.org?
[19:52] <Piratero> i got 2.6.23 from kernel.org
[19:52] <Piratero> and copied the .config file from /boot
[19:52] <zoredache> I suspect if it was me, I would have used the same configuration file and made a kernel and tested before I made changes
[19:52] <zoredache> right now you don't know if your problem is the changes you made, or the new kernel
[19:53] <Piratero> yeah
[19:53] <Piratero> well, i'm recompiling the kernel now
[19:53] <zoredache> the latest kernel doesn't tend to be particuarly stable in my experience...
[19:54] <Piratero> yeah
[19:54] <Piratero> i should then just downgrade
[19:54] <Piratero> last time i've used linux (freebsd user for two years now)
[19:54] <Piratero> the kernel tar ball was only 18mb
[19:55] <Piratero> its crazy how it's 43 now
[19:55] <zoredache> I guess.  It doesn't suprise me though, it contains the drivers for almost everything under the sun
[19:56] <Piratero> yep
[20:01] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:03] <evil_tech> hi
[20:04] <Ben_Cs> is it only me, or in xubuntu 7.10 after i insert the password into the feed, when the updater requests so, it takes lots of time for the comp to get back to the updater window? and when i open certain programs, i see for a split of a second snow on the window of the app? didn't have all this on prevous version of xubuntu
[20:04] <Ben_Cs> (lots of time = several seconds. way too much)
[20:05] <somerville32> :S
[20:08] <Ben_Cs> no one had such problems?
[20:08] <evil_tech> used to but it seems to have gone away
[20:10] <Ben_Cs> another wierd thing is that eclipse didn't work properly. it seemed as if it was installed without access permisions to needed locations. after i reinstalled xubuntu, this problem went away. seems xubuntu 7.10 is still buggy
[20:16] <Ben_Cs> with all that said, it's pitty because i like xfce the most of all desktops. kde comes close in my liking, but still xfce is no. 1 for me.
[20:19] <evil_tech> what is a good cd ripper for xubuntu?
[20:20] <zoredache> you want an iso or are you trying to extra audio files?
[20:20] <zoredache> if you are just looking to get an iso, then use dd
[20:21] <zoredache> dd if=/dev/scd0 of=new.iso
[20:21] <evil_tech> no just wanna copy my music to the hdd as .flac
[20:23] <zoredache> I don't rip my music on my linux box, so I can't help you... :|
[20:24] <evil_tech> think i'll just install a bunch from the repos and try em out
[20:25] <thegeeker> Ben_Cs: download the latest eclipse from eclipse.org and run it in your home dir. the version in the repos is broken
[20:29] <Ben_Cs> thegeeker: yeh i saw it's broken, did just that. but later on for some reason after re-installing xubuntu, it seems to work alright. still, make i can't figure out why built in make dont work.
[20:30] <thegeeker> they probably didn;t worry about it since the repo version is old and the one from eclipse.org works so well
[20:33] <Ben_Cs> ok
[20:33] <Ben_Cs> will check the one from their site again
[20:34] <Ben_Cs> BTW, how do i make my panel real cool? like glossy/with background picture, etc?
[20:36] <thegeeker> Ben_Cs, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3517612&postcount=396
[20:37] <thegeeker> !customize-panel is http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3517612&postcount=396
[20:37] <thegeeker> hm
[20:38] <Ben_Cs> but nothing like i seen in kde?
[20:39] <Ben_Cs> been thinking that best pannel designs came from xfce
[20:39] <thegeeker> I think you can do almost anything in GTK, but there are not a lot of built-in customizations. Tyhe point of xubuntu is to stay light and fast, not to run a bunch of eye-candy
[20:40] <thegeeker> !customize-panel
[20:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about customize-panel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:40]  * thegeeker grumbles
[20:40] <Ben_Cs> i see. but still eye candy should be easy to do, right?
[20:41] <thegeeker> I don't about easy, but it is possible
[20:41] <thegeeker> You can see some examples in that link that will give you an idea about how easy it is to customize
[20:43] <march> n8
[20:45] <Ben_Cs> what i like about xfce is the organization. kde handles things nicely in gui, but if u want to go editing files, it's harder to find your arms and legs there than in xfce. don't you agree? and xfce has a very nice gui aswell
[20:45] <thegeeker> !xubuntu-custom-panel is You can find a few tips about customizing your Xubuntu panels at the following link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3517612&postcount=396
[20:46] <thegeeker> stupid bot
[20:46] <vinze> Can we add our own entries?
[20:46] <vinze> !xubuntu-custom-panel
[20:46] <thegeeker> It keeps telling me it is not intelligent
[20:46]  * vinze sees
[20:46] <thegeeker> what good is an infobot you can;t add info to?
[20:46] <vinze> Ben_Cs, what I like about Xfce is its speed :)
[20:46] <vinze> thegeeker, well perhaps you can but we just don't know how to? :)
[20:47] <thegeeker> Ben_Cs, I like XFCE's lack of meaningless eye candy and fluff
[20:47] <vinze> thegeeker, and the ability to add it yourself if you *do* like that ;-)
[20:47] <thegeeker> vinze, I was following the instructions at the ubotu wiki page
[20:48] <Ben_Cs> thegeeker: yeh, kde has too much anymation indeed.
[20:48] <Ben_Cs> well, gotta go. thanks for the links.
[20:48] <Ben_Cs> see ya all
[20:48] <vinze> Bye
[20:48] <vinze> thegeeker, where's that page?
[20:49] <thegeeker> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[20:49] <vinze> thegeeker, thanks
[21:42] <nicolah> just to try I flagged "save session" for the next login, after a reboot I lost all my settings. weird uh ? is there a way to recover them ?
[21:42] <nicolah> I cant' Understand what happened
[22:29] <thyrax> anyone have mediatomb or ushare installed on their system?
[22:29] <thyrax> I need a dlna server for ps3 and xbox360
[22:31] <thyrax> oh well off to experiment
[22:38] <march> Goodnight!
[22:42] <Piratero> the xbox 360 can run *nix?
[22:47] <thruxton> Piratero: yep
[22:47] <Piratero> nice
[22:47] <thruxton> Piratero: ive heard of people installing linux on a 360 and co-locating it :)
[22:47] <Piratero> are there any consequences?
[22:47] <Piratero> like they can no longer go on live?
[22:47] <thruxton> I'm not sure
[23:22] <foxray> hi all, i'm trying to upgrade my old hard drive to a bigger 320gb drive, any ideas? gparted?
[23:23] <foxray> oh its the xubuntu root drive
[23:25] <Piratero> wow
[23:25] <Piratero> i've been compiling the linux kernel since 11am
[23:25] <Piratero> it's 15:25
[23:27] <seisen> you have a very slow computer don't you Piratero
[23:28] <Piratero> i don't, my cousin does
[23:28] <Piratero> 700mhz
[23:28] <Piratero> i'm on freebsd, 2.7ghz
[23:28] <cGc> hey i'm installing xubuntu through VMware... do i select ubuntu under the OS menu, or Other Linux 2.6.x kernel?
[23:29] <cGc> i was under the impression that xubuntu is ubuntu, just toned down
[23:31] <cGc> also, what kernel version does the latest xubuntu use? i'm downloading it right now, so it will be the most recent
[23:31] <zoredache> cGc: it doesn't matter
[23:31] <zoredache> other linux or ubuntu both result in a identical vmware config
[23:32] <cGc> okay
[23:32] <cGc> you know if core2 duo and 2gb of ram will run that pretty well with vista hosting the xubuntu VM
[23:32] <zoredache> and the kernel on an up-to-date xubuntu 7.10 is 2.6.22-14-generic
[23:33] <zoredache> I didn't know that Vista could run anything well...  But that might good...
[23:34] <cGc> yeah you are right about that, i dual boot with ubuntu and vista and want to be able to have a quick access to linux when i'm running vista so i figured xubuntu would be a good candidate
[23:34] <cGc> (for the VM)
[23:35] <wers> on xfce, there's something different with gnome apps like rhythmbox and tomboy notes. the buttons on the top lost their descriptions
[23:35] <wers> also, in the case of tomboy notes, pressing alt+t does not go the the "text properties" menu anymore
[23:35] <wers> any ideas?
[23:37] <cGc> i'm not familiar with xfce, this will be my first time using it so i'm no help!


[03:45] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:10] <guiverc> :)   a UF query had me just discover pulseeffects  :)
[05:45] <ducasse> good morning
[10:48] <Deano59> good.. morning... :D
[10:49] <joelcrump> morning Deano59
[10:49] <Deano59> is it dinner time yet?
[10:49] <joelcrump> it's before 7 am here
[10:52] <Deano59> oh, it's nearly noon here.
[11:01] <Deano59> with the help of Cubic, I setup my own Ubuntu .ISO and removed apps I didn't want and installed stuff I did want. it's awesome! you should try it out. :D
[11:03] <joelcrump> sounds cool
[11:07] <Deano59> it's really good and you can customise it the way you want to.
[11:14] <joelcrump> if i were concerned with storage it might be worthwhile, but i haven't had any problems with that
[18:38] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[18:38] <joelcrump> hi marcoagpinto
[18:38] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:38] <marcoagpinto> I have compiled my first Unity project!
[18:39] <marcoagpinto> :)
[18:39] <joelcrump> cool
[18:39] <marcoagpinto> now I am on section 3 of the course
[18:39] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[18:39] <marcoagpinto> ~30 hours left
[18:39] <marcoagpinto> :(
[18:39] <marcoagpinto> 30 minutes per day will take me two months
[18:45] <daftykins> i look forward to your cola hunting game
[18:47] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: >:)
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... daftykins: a few days ago I wrote that I needed to research for information about Bernoulli... I still haven't done it
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> :(
[18:48] <daftykins> tut tut!
[18:48] <marcoagpinto> tomorrow I will do it
[18:50] <marcoagpinto> basically I will read a whole Wikipedia document and try to see what is missing in my chapter
[18:50] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:09] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... I have DreamLab installed on my mobile phone... it helps finding the cure for COVID and others by making calculations
[19:09] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:09] <marcoagpinto> it downloads, processes and uploads the data to the researchers
[19:14] <daftykins> that'd be a colossal waste on a smartphone
[19:14] <marcoagpinto> why?
[19:15] <marcoagpinto> if millions of people use it, it will help the researchers
[19:15] <marcoagpinto> of course it overheats the phone :(
[19:20] <daftykins> and will reduce its' lifespan due to cooking the battery
[19:20] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh
[19:20] <daftykins> yeah i was doing the same thing with folding@home on the desktop, with capable hardware
[19:21] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: What? It reduces the lifespan of the smartphone?
[19:21] <marcoagpinto> :(((((((((((
[19:21] <daftykins> nothing wrong with the cause, plenty wrong with running it on a toaster and killing your own gear quicker :)
[19:22] <joelcrump> yeah i wouldn't want to do that with my phone
[19:23] <marcoagpinto> my old phone!!!!
[19:23] <marcoagpinto> it cost me near 200 EUR three or so years ago
[19:23] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[19:24] <joelcrump> my phone is only about five months old, even with the bargain i got on it it was still $550
[19:24] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhh
[19:24] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:24] <joelcrump> it's my favorite toy
[19:24] <marcoagpinto> mine was on sale too... the real price was some 300 EUR
[19:24] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:25] <joelcrump> cool
[19:31] <marcoagpinto> https://i.imgur.com/4pqZerf.png <- 300+ calculations done
[19:31] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:32] <daftykins> imagine how many'd be done on a real machine
[19:33] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: yes, but it would take the speed of it?
[19:33] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:33] <daftykins> no idea what you mean there
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> I mean: wouldn't it make the computer slow?
[19:34] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:34] <daftykins> when i ran folding@home i could run it on my graphics card alone, or on the CPU alone, or both at once - and as it's a high spec box i could still do everything i wanted and not notice any slowdown
[19:35] <daftykins> not hard to pause the process if you need to do something that needs a few more beans from time to time
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
[19:35] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:36] <marcoagpinto> I wonder if there is a computer version of the app
[19:36] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:36] <daftykins> folding@home is most likely a much better project to be backing
[19:37] <marcoagpinto> :p
[19:37] <daftykins> made by Vodafone D:
[19:38] <marcoagpinto> months ago I went to the site of folding@home and they only had a 32-bit version for Windows?
[19:38] <marcoagpinto> :)
[19:38] <marcoagpinto> I believe I complained in the forum?
[19:38] <daftykins> the client downloads execution cores which run the actual tasks, so you just showed them you don't know what you're talking about
[19:39] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


 looks like libinput needs to be rebuilt for libwacom10, else build depends of qt and other things are now uninstallable
 e.g. vlc
 Ummmm. wrong channel
 may as well post the info though as it impacts Qt... ;)
 /# apt-get install qtbase5-dev
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree... Done
 Reading state information... Done
 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
 or been moved out of Incoming.
 The following information may help to resolve the situation:
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libwacom2 : Depends: libwacom-common (= 1.12-1) but 2.0.0-1 is to be installed
 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
 I created https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt/qtwayland/-/merge_requests/5.
 But I can't test-build because libinput is broken in Debian too. (re @RikMills: @mitya57 https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/s8etjq/the_patches_required_for_wayland_and_nvidia_to/)
 awesome. thanks!
[15:32] <fvogt> mitya57: If you take the frame callback threading patch, you have to backport the various pending mutex fixes from upstream as well
[15:32] <fvogt> Otherwise you get hangs
[15:33] <mitya57> fvogt: So KDE's branch is broken?
[15:44] <fvogt> mitya57: Yep
[15:44] <fvogt> (As is upstream)
[15:46] <mitya57> Maybe you can create a merge request upstream adding the missing patches?
[15:48] <fvogt> If you mean for the qtwayland fork, it's a bit early for that, they're not even reviewed upstream
[15:48] <fvogt> https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtwayland/+/393273, https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtwayland/+/393828/1 and https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt/qtwayland/+/393826/1
[15:48] <mitya57> Ok. I will remove the frame callback threading patch for now.
[15:48] <mitya57> Thank you for the information!
[15:51] <mitya57> fvogt: Is it this one? "Move the wayland socket polling to a separate event thread"
[15:51] <fvogt> Yep
[15:57] <mitya57> Removed in https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team/qt/qtwayland/-/commit/69d1657b99f5f648. Thanks again.
[15:58] <mitya57> But it is exactly the patch which was referenced by Reddit post linked by @RikMills :-(
[15:59] <fvogt> Yep
[15:59] <fvogt> For proper nvidia gbm support you'd need several unreviewed patches
[15:59] <mitya57> I will better wait.
 seems so :/


[12:39] <dilinger> are there plans for dapper switching to a newer kernel, or will it stick w/ 2.6.15?
[12:48] <ivoks> it will stay with 2.6.15, of course
[12:49] <ivoks> welcome to enterprise :)
[12:50] <dilinger> heh
[12:50] <dilinger> ok, just curious
[12:50] <dilinger> i noticed a rejected request to backport 2.6.17 for dapper-backports
[12:52] <ivoks> time to go to bed
[12:52] <ivoks> bye all
[12:52] <porkpie3> hi ....I have been working with ivoks from ubuntu-server and he has recommended I talk to you guys.  I am trying to install ubuntu 6.0.6 tls on a dell 1950 which is using the PERC 5/i raid controller but we are having issues
[12:54] <porkpie3> Can anyone help with this issue .... unbuntu partitoiner is seeing 3 drives instead of 1 logical drive ...
[12:58] <porkpie3> Ok what is the best way to get some help here  ....can I post the syslog and dmesg so where .....I want to use ubuntu but it seems to have a problem with the Dell 1950
[01:03] <porkpie3> Guy's this is kernel development ....
[01:10] <gnomefreak> dilinger: ubuntu doesnt backport kernels too big of a change and can render things usless or unstable at best
[01:10] <gnomefreak> porkpie3: this is not a support channel
[01:22] <zul> i think dilinger knows that
[03:50] <mjg59> ilmari: I believe the tablet bit of it to be wrong
[03:51] <mjg59> Independent confirmation would be good
[03:52] <ilmari> the plain X41 bit is definitely right. I don't know anyone with the tablet version
[03:52] <ilmari> doesn't anyone on the laptop testing team have one?
[03:53] <mjg59> Nope
[03:53] <mjg59> I know someone who does, though. I'll try to get it checked.
[03:53] <mjg59> Is it still a problem with edgy?
[03:53] <mjg59> The driver has changed quite a lot there
[03:54] <ilmari> yes
[03:54] <ilmari> just tested
[03:54] <mjg59> Right
[03:54] <infinity> zul_: Around?
[03:54] <mjg59> I need to sleep now, but I'll check later
[03:57] <ilmari> great
[09:23] <porkpie> Hi ....I am trying to build a Dell 1950 with a PERC 5/i raid controller but the kernel seems to be detecting the scsi drives be the raid controller.  This is causing problems when installing the base system as I see 3 drives instead of the 1 logical drive.  I have been testing with ivoks on the ubuntu-server channel and he has suggested I talk to you guys.
[09:29] <porkpie> here is the link to the syslog http://pastebin.com/799176
[09:32] <porkpie> link to dmesg_log http://pastebin.com/799179   Any help would really be appreciated
[09:32] <porkpie> brb
[10:41] <AnAnt> why does edgy use UUID=XXXXX instead of /dev/XdY# in menu.lst & fstab ?
[10:42] <tonfa> so that it's stable
[10:42] <AnAnt> stable ?
[10:42] <tonfa> and doesn't change if you plug another drive
[10:42] <tonfa> or if you use the libata driver for example
[10:43] <tonfa> with the libata driver ide devices change from /dev/hdX to /dev/sdX
[10:43] <tonfa> but I think they won't be used in edgy
[10:44] <tonfa> but might in edgy+[12]
[10:44] <AnAnt> ic
[10:45] <tonfa> I hope they do the same for network devices names
[10:45] <tonfa> persistant names are good :)
[10:45] <ajmitch> we alreayd have /etc/iftab for that
[10:45] <AnAnt> but that's hard to maintain
[10:46] <tonfa> ajmitch: why don't you use udev ?
[10:46] <ajmitch> tonfa: I do
[10:46] <tonfa> /etc/iftab uses udev for renaming ?
[10:46] <ajmitch> see /etc/udev/rules.d/25-iftab.rules
[10:47] <ajmitch> which is a bit OT for this channel :)
[10:47] <tonfa> yup, sorry
[10:48] <AnAnt> ajmitch: but that UUID thing is really wierd if one wants to change configuration
[10:49] <ajmitch> you just need to know how to get the UUID of a filesystem then
[10:50] <AnAnt> k
[10:51] <tonfa> Use dumpe2fs(8) to display a journal devices volume label   and   UUID.
[10:51] <ajmitch> or /sbin/vol_id <device>
[10:53] <AnAnt> ajmitch: thank
[10:53] <AnAnt> s
[11:29] <porkpie> Hi
[11:30] <porkpie> Hi ....I am trying to build a Dell 1950 with a PERC 5/i raid controller but the kernel seems to be detecting the scsi drives be the raid controller.  This is causing problems when installing the base system as I see 3 drives instead of the 1 logical drive.  I have been testing with ivoks on the ubuntu-server channel and he has suggested I talk to you guys.
[11:30] <porkpie> link to dmesg_log http://pastebin.com/799179   Any help would really be appreciated
[11:30] <porkpie> here is the link to the syslog http://pastebin.com/799176
[12:06] <tfheen> BenC: remember the kernel freeze in two days.
[12:23] <porkpie> tfheen:I have a kernel issue  ....can you help ??
[12:24] <tfheen> porkpie: probably not, I'm not a kernel hacker
[12:25] <porkpie> OK
[12:25] <porkpie> I need to find a fix for the Dell 1950 PERC 5/i problem
[12:45] <lfittl> BenC: ping
[01:32] <zul> somone pinged me?
[01:34] <BenC> lfittl: pong
[01:35] <lfittl> BenC: could you take a look at bug #63054 and bug #63553?
[01:37] <BenC> porkpie: Which version of ubuntu are you trying?
[01:40] <porkpie> BenC:version <IP_ADDRESS> LTS amd64
[01:41] <BenC> lfittl: I can do he sdhci patch easily. The sleep problem is going to require someone with the ability to use git-bisect to rebuild hte kernel a bunch of times to find the commit that started the problem
[01:42] <BenC> porkpie: Known issues, fixed in Edgy
[01:42] <BenC> will be backported to dapper, but don't expect it soon
[01:42] <lfittl> BenC: ok, will try to work together with the person who has the sleep problem to find the commit, would be great if you could merge the sdhci patch
[01:43] <porkpie> BenC:can I download Edgy ?
[01:44] <BenC> porkpie: You can download the Beta CD's
[01:44] <porkpie> BenC ...are they iso
[01:44] <porkpie> where from
[01:46] <BenC> porkpie: http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/
[01:48] <porkpie> BenC:thanks ...I will feedback on issues I find
[01:55] <porkpie> BenC:is there a list of fixes for edgy
[01:57] <porkpie> BenC:does it fix the network card issue as well ?
[02:08] <tfheen> BenC: re 63085; I think you meant to file it against initramfs-tools adding jmicron to the list of ide modules, didn't you?
[02:28] <BenC> tfheen: No, initramfs tool does the job on my computer
[02:29] <BenC> tfheen: I don't think initramfs tools creates the initrd on the livecd
[02:29] <BenC> tfheen: After install, everything works fine
[02:29] <tfheen> BenC: trust me, initramfs-tools creates the initramfs on the livecd.
[02:30] <BenC> tfheen: Then it isn't doing the same thing as it does on a normal system
[02:30] <BenC> tfheen: Are you sure there aren't special scripts in the casper build that tell initramfs tools what drivers to include?
[02:30] <tfheen> BenC: yes, it is, but on your system it probably sees that you have it loaded and therefore includes it.
[02:30] <tfheen> BenC: there are a couple of modules added, but none removed, no.
[02:31] <BenC> tfheen: Re-assign as you think is required
[02:31] <tfheen> look at auto_add_modules in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions
[02:31] <BenC> my first through, given the circumstances was that it was casper, but if you're sure it's initramfs-tools, please re-assign there
[02:32] <tfheen> casper adds unionfs, squashfs, loop, vfat, ext3, nls_cp437, nls_utf8, nls_iso8859-1, sr_mod, ide-cd, sbp2, ohci1394 and the net modules
[02:32] <tfheen> none other
[02:41] <porkpie> BenC:the beta iso install is not working :(  I can't create a user ..it doesn't allow you to type the name ????
[02:41] <porkpie> BenC:I know this is not the right place to ask these question but I am desperate to get this server built
[02:42] <BenC> porkpie: Use the alternate install CD then
[02:42] <BenC> instead of the livecd version
[02:43] <porkpie> OK  ..I don't want to install the desktop though
[02:43] <mjg59> #/win goto #assassins
[02:43] <mjg59> Grgh.
[02:43] <BenC> porkpie: Then use the server install
[02:44] <BenC> mjg59: you've been outted...I knew you were undercover for some foreign goverment
[02:44] <porkpie> BenC:I am
[02:44] <BenC> porkpie: As in #ubuntu, maybe there's a workaround
[02:44] <BenC> porkpie: You can try an edgy daily ISO to see if it's fixed, cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:44] <porkpie> OK cool
[02:45] <porkpie> thanks
[03:03] <porkpie> BenC:one more question ...where can I find a list of the fixes ??
[03:25] <BenC> porkpie: /usr/share/doc/linux-source-2.6.17/changelog.Debian.gz
[03:43] <porkpie1> BenC:edgy hangs after install when trying to load kernel :(
[03:54] <BenC> porkpie1: Start it without "splash quiet" options, and give it a few minutes to be sure it isn't just slow
[04:09] <porkpie1> BenC: how do i do that
[04:09] <porkpie1> I am used to FreeBSD  ...bit  stuck with ubuntu
[04:11] <tonfa> esc to have the grub menu
[04:11] <tonfa> and then go to the entry
[04:12] <tonfa> type 'c' to edit the line
[04:12] <tonfa> enter when you are finished
[04:12] <tonfa> hum that's 'e' to edit the line
[04:12] <tonfa> ('c' is a cmd line prompt)
[04:12] <tonfa> and at the end 'b' to boot
[04:12] <porkpie1> BenC:Ah ...OK ..I have an error now ALERT! /dev/sad1 doesn't exist. Dropping to a shell ! BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu) Built-in shell (ash)
[04:13] <porkpie1> '/bin/sh:can't access tty; job contol turned off'
[04:13] <porkpie1> I am at the (initramfs)
[04:15] <porkpie1> tonfa:any ideas
[04:15] <tonfa> shouldn't it be /dev/sda1 ?
[04:15] <tonfa> (or did you mistype it)
[04:16] <porkpie1> tonfa:thats how I feel :)
[04:16] <porkpie1> yeah it's a typo sorry
[04:16] <tonfa> :)
[04:16] <tonfa> maybe ls /dev can help
[04:17] <porkpie1> I have been trying to build this server for 5 days solid no
[04:17] <tonfa> (to see what devices are there)
[04:17] <tonfa> dmesg might be helpful too
[04:17] <zul> sweet i got invited
[04:18] <porkpie1> I can't find the | to do a more
[04:20] <porkpie1> I can't find a dmeag
[04:20] <porkpie1> dmesg
[04:46] <mhb> hello, have you modified the skge driver in the Edgy default kernel?
[04:46] <mhb> it is not working correctly with the current Edgy kernel (send_packet: Message too long) although it works fine in Dapper
[05:29] <lamont> zul: wth is xen-source packaged as a native package?
[05:30] <zul> umm...because i probably made a mistake
[05:30] <lamont> zul: sigh
[05:30] <lamont> mind you, fixing it requires a new upstream version number, so that you can have an orig.tar.gz to upload
[05:31] <zul> so like <IP_ADDRESS> or something like that
[05:31] <lamont> xen-source-2.6.17_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz for example
[05:31] <lamont> with a version in debina/changelog of <IP_ADDRESS>-1
[05:32] <lamont> s/na/an/
[05:32] <lamont> what it really means is that when you packaged 2.6.17-1, you didn't have a .orig.tar.gz in the parent directory
[05:33] <zul> crappers...ill try to fix that thanks


[17:39] <Myrtti> the irony of what GB said in -uk is in such thick slices I'm choking a bit
[17:40] <Tm_T> great britain said of united kingdom?
[17:40] <Tm_T> go Scotland go \o/
[18:28] <AlanBell> Myrtti: yup, that was ironic
[18:38] <DJones> Myrtti: Having spoken to ops in other channels, I must admit that I'm surprise he hasn't had more network wide bans before
[18:43] <DJones> I've had compaints about his 'other' nicks previously on the ground of racism
[18:57] <DJones> And +b for GentileBen in -uk
[19:28] <zyga> hi, how can I change my cloak?
[19:28] <zyga> I have a linaro cloak and I'm considering reverting to my ubuntu/member cloak instead
[19:29] <TheLordOfTime> have someone on the council approve the ubuntu cloak and have staffers apply it?
[19:33] <Unit193> zyga: Got a link to your LP page?
[20:57] <zyga> Unit193: https://launchpad.net/~zkrynicki
[20:58] <k1l> zyga: looks good to me. we just need some IRCC member to confirm and then a staffer to set the cloak. just hang by
[21:03] <zyga> k1l: thanks
[21:13] <Pici> niko: Do you have a moment to grant an ubuntu/member/zyga cloak to zyga here?
[21:14] <niko> sure
[21:15] <niko> zyga: congrats :) Pici done
[21:15] <Pici> woo
[21:59] <zyga> thanks


[19:08] <wrst> chris4585: hello
[19:12] <chris4585> morning wrst
[19:13] <wrst> chris4585: afternoon... checking out the ubuntu tablet stuff
[19:13] <chris4585> neat, I heard about it
[19:16] <wrst> i must say it looks interesting
[19:16] <wrst> wish i had a nexus device
[19:16] <wrst> i woudl try it out
[19:22] <chris4585> I guess I would, I'm not really a tablet person
[19:23] <chris4585> haven't really seen it yet though
[19:47] <wrst> it looks nice chris4585, but i'm a borderline tablet person
[19:48] <chris4585> well.. if I can install native linux apps then I'd be sold
[19:48] <wrst> chris4585: that's what has me interested in it
[19:48] <wrst> i see skype on their app list
[19:49] <chris4585> if I can install quodlibet I'd be happy
[19:49] <wrst> so makes me wonder if its a compatibility layerish kind of thing or maybe skype was compiled to run on arm
[19:49] <chris4585> oh probably
[19:52] <chris4585> in a video mark says "we have rich native applications"
[19:52] <chris4585> so I only assume yes
[19:56] <chris4585> alright he said it clearly, that makes it an easy decision for myself..
[19:59] <chris4585> I just wonder what the battery is like
[20:34] <wrst> chris4585: I really don't care as bad as that sounds :)
[20:34] <wrst> i want it
[20:37] <chris4585> lol how does that sound bad?
[20:37] <chris4585> oh, gotcha
[20:38] <chris4585> well, I'd buy a nice android tablet, but I'd much rather have the capabilities to run native linux apps on tablets any day over poopie apps
[20:45] <wrst> yep me too chris4585, but android has some nice apps, but having the same apps on whatever device is very appealing
[20:45] <wrst> and they seem to adapt unity pretty nicely, its not just the desktop version on a touch device
[20:45] <wrst> but that would be a bit of an issue the native desktop apps aren't made for touch devices
[20:46] <wrst> but put ubuntu on a tablet and 10 days someone will have the google play store and its apps working on it :)
[20:47] <chris4585> doesn't really bother me too much tbh about desktop apps
[21:02] <wrst> doesn't bother me terribly but I would understand that lots of users wouldn't
[21:03] <wrst> oh i played with a surface finally at staples over the weekend
[21:08] <chris4585> nice, I've played with it too, its kind of nice, but I don't care about the whole windows eco system
[22:01] <wrst> yeah chris4585 my thoughts
[22:01] <wrst> i think the hardware is pretty good
[22:01] <wrst> the software is just so-so at best
[22:02] <wrst> but its also pretty much a 1.0 device
[22:16] <chris4585> yeah
[23:59] <wrst> but its microsoft so yeah they will mess it up they seem to be everyone's whipping boy now


[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[09:21] <dpm> morning popey, when you're around, could you try to install this click package and show me a screenshot? http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.weather_1.0.201_all.click
[09:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Love Your Pet Day! :-D
[09:24] <dpm> m-b-o, morning, thanks for approving the branch! Do you have any ideas about the known issues listed there? -> https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-weather-app/fix-nexus7/+merge/207325 The footer position and the crasher are the ones that I consider blockers
[09:25] <m-b-o> dpm: this footer stuff with twc only happens on n7, not on desktop, right?
[09:26] <dpm> m-b-o, exactly, I cannot see it happening on desktop, not sure what's going on on the n7. I'm tempted to make the footer full width to work around it rather than play with GUs
[09:27] <m-b-o> dmp: regadring the missing H temperature: when it's late in the day, TWC has no real H temperture left to show. this happens oly in the second half of the day
[09:28] <dpm> m-b-o, ah, good to know, thanks
[09:29] <popey> dpm: morning, what device?
[09:29] <m-b-o> dpm: "ScrollingArea.qml:61: Error: Cannot assign [undefined] to int" is unrelated to the device
[09:29] <popey> I only have n4 and n7 now
[09:30] <dpm> popey, sorry, I meant a n7
[09:30] <m-b-o> dpm: that occurrs when something's wrong with line 58 in th efile
[09:31] <dpm> m-b-o, yeah,
[09:32] <dpm> it seems that there wasn't any pressure data either?
[09:32] <dpm> but it shouldn't cause a crash I thought
[09:32] <m-b-o> yes, perahos it's related to switching the data rpovider in  a specific way
[09:33] <m-b-o> perhaps it's related to switching the data provider in a specific way
[09:33] <popey> dpm: I need to re-flash my n7, so will take a little while as it's dead
[09:33] <dpm> popey, no worries, thanks
[09:35] <dpm> m-b-o, yes, I thought that as well, but they said they'd wiped out the database before testing. Let's see if popey's testing can shed some more light on this. Would you agree to make the footer full width rather than digging up why it's shorter on the N7? I've just made the change on a local branch and full width looks ok
[09:40] <m-b-o> dpm: of course! I pesonally like the wide twc footer! Is the footer okay when switched back to owm ?
[09:46] <dpm> m-b-o, after switching to full width, the OWM footer looks ok on the desktop, not sure what it'll look like on the device. Here are a couple of screenshots:
[09:46] <dpm> - TWC, full width: http://ubuntuone.com/5OLTa6rRQ1MpaSMfNxzYIM
[09:46] <dpm> - OWM, full width: http://ubuntuone.com/0ulO5fkQb5466kWvbDt8M3
[09:47] <dpm> The OWM one looks a bit strange with the empty space under the forecast view on the right, but I think it's ok
[09:48] <m-b-o> dpm: yes! But that corner is difiicult to make nice...
[09:49] <dpm> m-b-o, I think for now it's absolutely fine. But just for the record, what makes it difficult to make nice?
[09:50] <m-b-o> dpm:the different footers of TWC and OWM (one with white bar, the other only with icon) we need to have two ways handling the footer. which makes positioning the navigation harder
[09:51] <m-b-o> dpm: would be easier if both footers would be aligned in their design
[09:51] <dpm> m-b-o, ok, gotcha. We can deal with it with a more in-depth tablet redesign after MWC. I think for now I'll submit a MP with the full width TWC footer
[09:53] <m-b-o> dpm: waiting to review! :)
[09:59] <dpm> m-b-o, there you go :) -> https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-weather-app/full-width-footer/+merge/207383
[10:00] <nik90> Good morning folks
[10:00] <dpm> hey nik90
[10:00] <nik90> hi dpm
[10:05] <dpm> popey, what's the status of removing the sidestage hint for Music and Shorts (and perhaps Terminal and File Manager, although I'm not sure we'll be demoing them)?
[10:06] <dpm> m-b-o, thanks for the review! Can you top-approve if you're happy with it?
[10:06] <popey> bug 1281236 dpm
[10:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1281236 in Ubuntu Calendar App "App appears in sidestage in landscape mode on Nexus 10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1281236
[10:06] <m-b-o> dpm: :)
[10:06] <dpm> ah, yeah, and Calendar
[10:14] <nik90> dpm: I just got an update to image #194 with the new clock app :)
[10:15] <dpm> nik90, what!!? Nice, I didn't know myself that when landing it in the store it'd make it directly in the image. So did you get it without explicitly updating the app in the store?
[10:16] <nik90> dpm: yeah..on running update, it started updating to image 194...after installing and restarting I saw the new clock app icon and the new stuff
[10:17] <nik90> dpm: but yes it wasn't explicity updating the clock app
[10:18] <dpm> cool, I'll update in a bit, it takes a bit longer for me with dual boot
[10:18] <nik90> ok
[10:20]  * popey finally re-flashes n7
[10:20] <popey> dpm: i had to give mine away to someone in te office, so I just got another n7 which is still on android.. flashing now
[10:20] <dpm> popey, that's not the way to go, you should be _stealing_ instead of giving away :)
[10:21] <popey> hah
[10:23] <nik90> +1
[10:42] <dpm> popey, or someone else, could you review the 3 branches in this bug? They're pretty trivial, it's the same fix we applied yesterday to clock and weather to install the icon in the click package
[10:42] <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1282500
[10:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1282500 in Ubuntu RSS Feed Reader App "Cmake file does not add the icon in the click package" [High,In progress]
[11:01] <nik90> dpm: how do you install the click package you mentioned yin your MP?
[11:01] <nik90> s/yin/in
[11:05] <dpm> nik90, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6964813/
[11:10] <nerochiaro> just joinned
[11:13] <nik90> dpm: reviewed all 3
[11:13] <dpm> \o/
[11:13] <aquarius_phone> popey, ping
[11:14] <popey> \o/
[11:28] <dpm> popey, how's the flashing going, have you had the chance to test the weather click?
[11:28] <dpm> nik90, updated https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/fixes-1282500/+merge/207400 - would you mind having another look?
[11:28] <popey> not yet.. nearly done
[11:29] <nik90> dpm: sure
[11:32] <dpm> nik90, and on https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-rssreader-app/fixes-1282500/+merge/207401 - the icon is in the code already. These MPs were to fix the icon installation, the icons should have been pushed already in other MPs (except for calendar, where the icon refresh MP failed)
[11:32] <dpm> I'm looking at the music app error now
[11:33] <popey> dpm: it works, but having trouble with the n7 image
[11:33] <nik90> dpm: ah okay...btw when I do pkill unity8, how long am I supposed to wait for unity8 to restart?
[11:33] <dpm> nik90, it should start after a few seconds. Once you see the welcome screen you should be good to go
[11:34] <dpm> popey, what trouble?
[11:34] <popey> yes, the n7 image I'm using still has sidestage issues
[11:34] <popey> lemme get a photo of weather
[11:36] <nik90> dpm: calendar MP didnt work...calendar icon is now missing
[11:36] <nik90> in the dash
[11:38] <dpm> nik90, hm, it's in the click package, not sure what could have gone wrong...
[11:40] <m-b-o> dpm popey updatting my n7 12 to r194, where can I find the .click package?
[11:42] <nik90> dpm: rss-reader icon worked! I see it in the dash
[11:42] <dpm> m-b-o, 1) Click package without footer fix: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.weather_1.0.201_all.click
[11:42] <dpm> m-b-o 2) Click package with footer fix: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.weather_1.0.202_all.click
[11:42] <dpm> nik90, nice :)
[11:43] <dpm> nik90, I see a fix required in Music's cmake file, but I can't understand why Calendar's icon doesn't work :/
[11:43] <nik90> dpm: let me try to compare calendar and rssreader folder structure and compare their cmake files
[11:44] <dpm> cool, thanks
[11:47] <dpm> nik90, on https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/music-app/fixes-1282500/+merge/207399/comments/486610 - in which step did you get this error?
[11:48] <nik90> dpm: right at click-buddy --dir .
[11:48] <dpm> ok, thanks, fixing it.
[11:48] <popey> dpm: m-b-o http://imgur.com/WjPEtMU,XutOQ6o
[11:49] <dpm> popey, ok, perfect, thanks! Could you now test http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.weather_1.0.202_all.click - this should fix the footer issue and should be the final weather package (final last words :)
[11:50] <popey> k
[11:52] <nik90> dpm: I am unable the error in the calendar cmake file. I am going to try installing it again to make sure
[11:52] <nik90> s/unable the error/unable to identify the error
[11:55] <dpm> nik90, ok, thanks a lot. I've also fixed https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/music-app/fixes-1282500/+merge/207399 and the package should now build. If you could have another look at it, that'd be great
[11:55] <popey> dpm: not quite http://imgur.com/4a8bXJk,h3mrXJM
[11:55] <nik90> dpm: on it
[11:56] <dpm> popey, that's fine, we cannot easily fix the OWM footer without more intrusive changes. Does the OWM footer look full-width on the N7?
[11:57] <m-b-o> dpm popey what's the command to install the click package on the device?
[11:57] <popey> dpm: see other image
[11:57] <popey> (there's two)
[11:57] <dpm> m-b-o, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6964813/ - btw, are you testing on a N7 (2013) ?
[11:57] <m-b-o> nope 2012
[11:58] <m-b-o> without mir
[11:58] <dpm> popey, ah, bummer :(
[11:59] <dpm> m-b-o, I think on your N7 it will look different than on popey's N7 (2013) because of the different resolution
[12:00] <dpm> popey, ok, so the footer needs fixing. Can you click on the 2 current weather boxes and they do the animation to show 4 boxes? I.e. does that still work as on the phone?
[12:00] <nik90> dpm: music app also works :)
[12:01] <popey> dpm: yes, but it's cramped
[12:01] <dpm> nik90, cool, only calendar to go, then?
[12:01] <nik90> dpm: yup
[12:01] <m-b-o> dpm popey no landscape
[12:01] <nik90> dpm: on installing calendar again, it still didnt work :(
[12:02] <dpm> nik90, what do you see, an empty icon in the applications scope?
[12:02] <nik90> dpm: yes..like the clock app icon yesterday
[12:02] <popey> m-b-o: it might be possible to make the old n7 go landscape
[12:03] <popey> m-b-o: compare (on device) /etc/ubuntu-touch-session.d/grouper.conf with flo.conf
[12:03] <popey> NATIVE_ORIENTATION=landscape
[12:03] <m-b-o> popey: okay
[12:03] <dpm> popey, would you mind sending another screenshot of the 4 boxes where you mean it looks cramped?
[12:04] <popey> hang on
[12:04] <popey> m-b-o: actually stick those in ~/.bashrc
[12:04] <popey> /etc/ubuntu-touch-session.d/grouper.conf will be readonly
[12:05] <popey> dpm: some of this may be because my device has the default setting to 21 gu
[12:05] <popey> which is wrong for flo, it should be (IMO) 17
[12:06] <dpm> popey, yes, I tend to agree with you after having seen the screenshots. Who do we need to ping to fix this?
[12:06] <m-b-o> popey: they are already in .bashrc? I hsoudl use GRID UNIT_PX from grouper.conf or flo.conf?
[12:06] <popey> http://imgur.com/j7V0XR3
[12:07] <popey> m-b-o: you can fiddle with those values, but I'm not sure it will make a lot of difference
[12:07] <dpm> popey, thanks for the screenshot, that doesn't look good at all :/
[12:16] <dpm> m-b-o, so I see two issues blocking the convergence landing: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6965104/ - would you have any ideas on how to fix or work around them?
[12:18] <m-b-o> dpm: don't know. is it a problem or on n7?
[12:18] <m-b-o> a problem on the app or on n7
[12:22] <m-b-o> dpm: if there's a general problem with the values on the n7, it doubt, you can easily work aorund, since it's borken
[12:26] <m-b-o> dpm: in WeatherTemperatureCCOmponent you should use the n7 treshhold too!
[12:27] <m-b-o> dpm: there's distinction viewMode
[12:27] <dpm> aha
[12:28] <dpm> let me have a look
[12:30] <m-b-o> dpm: or setting viewMode in CurrentWeather accordingly
[12:30] <dpm> nik90, I can see the new calendar icon after killing Unity 8 -> http://imgur.com/wHmynwZ
[12:30] <nik90> dpm: hmm..I rebooted after every click install
[12:31] <dpm> nik90, yeah, that should definitely have restarted unity :)
[12:32] <nik90> :)
[12:33] <nik90> ahayzen: if you have a minute do you mind testing https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/fixes-1282500/+merge/207400
[12:33] <dpm> nik90, can you see the icon listed if you do an adb shell and then ls /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.calendar/current ?
[12:33] <nik90> dpm: trying now
[12:33] <ahayzen> nik90, just reflashing the device then i'll test :)
[12:34] <nik90> dpm: I see the icon in that folder
[12:35] <dpm> nik90, can you try removing the battery and inserting it again as a hardcore reboot?
[12:35] <dpm> (just kidding :)
[12:35] <nik90> hehe
[12:35] <nik90> either way I have no idea of how to remove the battery in the LG N4
[12:43] <dpm> m-b-o, I think viewMode is already set up correctly to 0 (phone) for the N7, I can't find a way to tweak that, other than adding a special viewMode for the N7 with dedicated gu sizes, which might be a bit of a hack
[12:43] <m-b-o> I have a possible solution for the veetcial center on n7
[12:46] <dpm> m-b-o, cool. However, I'm more worried about the box sizes and the footer, I see those as being the blockers
[12:46] <m-b-o> dpm: can you give me treshold for height, too?
[12:47] <popey> dpm: i think we need clairty from unity people on exactly what size we expect the ui to be
[12:47] <dpm> m-b-o, for the N7 (2013) that'd be 57.14 GU height, I'd take the threshold to be 58-60 to be on the safe side
[12:50] <dpm> popey, indeed, I just don't know who the best person to ask is for this one
[12:50] <popey> Kaleo & Juoni discussed it yesterday, don't know what the decision was
[12:51] <Kaleo> popey, we did not discuss it yesterday :)
[12:51] <Kaleo> popey, you discussed with jounih :)
[12:51] <popey> heh
[12:51] <Kaleo> popey, could not reach jounih from here
[12:51] <popey> ok.
[12:52] <Kaleo> popey, do you see him btw?
[12:52] <popey> can you/he make a decision?
[12:52] <Kaleo> popey, he can
[12:52] <popey> i am not in the office
[12:52] <Kaleo> popey, but I cannot
[12:52] <Kaleo> popey, I'll find him
[12:53] <m-b-o> dpm: on n4 height is > 58?
[12:56] <popey> dpm: anything else need testing on n7
[12:56] <popey> ?
[12:57] <m-b-o> dpm https://code.launchpad.net/~martin-borho/ubuntu-weather-app/n7-tweaks perhaps a possible fix for the shapes, when there's a small height
[12:57] <dpm> popey, not really, weather is the most pressing one. We need to upload Music, Shorts and Calendar to the store to ensure they don't open in sidestage
[12:57] <ahayzen> nik90, calendar patch appears to show the new icon for me
[13:00] <nik90> ahayzen: thnx for the confirmation
[13:00] <nik90> dpm: ^^
[13:00] <ahayzen> nik90, commented on the merge :)
[13:01] <dpm> ahayzen, cool, could you top-approve if it works for you?
[13:01] <dpm> thanks nik90
[13:01] <dpm> m-b-o, here are the sizes: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6965282/
[13:01] <ahayzen> dpm, i can't, don't have permission to tht
[13:02] <dpm> popey, can you test this branch on the N7? Otherwise I can send you a click package -> https://code.launchpad.net/~martin-borho/ubuntu-weather-app/n7-tweaks
[13:02] <popey> yeah
[13:03] <m-b-o> popey: one second please
[13:03] <popey> standing by
[13:03] <m-b-o> jave another tweak
[13:03] <popey> kk
[13:03] <ahayzen> dpm, need someone in the 'calendar developers' to top approve
[13:03] <popey> I'll get coffee
[13:04] <m-b-o> popey: pushed
[13:04] <popey> k
[13:04] <dpm> thanks m-b-o
[13:04] <popey> is that key okay in that branch?
[13:05] <dpm> popey, you should add the key to key.js
[13:05] <popey> its in the branch
[13:05] <m-b-o> nope
[13:05] <m-b-o> key misses
[13:05] <m-b-o> ouch
[13:06] <m-b-o> key inside
[13:06] <m-b-o> ...
[13:06] <m-b-o> popey I'll remove it, slipped in... sorry
[13:07] <popey> np
[13:07] <popey> it happens ☻
[13:08] <popey> m-b-o: what version are you running on the nexus 7 2012? Is that trusty?
[13:09] <m-b-o> popey r194
[13:09] <m-b-o> popey but no luck with getting intp landscape
[13:10] <m-b-o> poepy pushed clean key.js..
[13:10] <dpm> m-b-o, with that branch on the N4, I get a flicker in the animation when displaying the 4 extra data boxes. It seems it's repositioning them vertically after the animation has finished
[13:13] <popey> i see that too
[13:13] <popey> its like the moving ones overshoot slightly
[13:15] <m-b-o> dpm popey is there no way anymore to start the app on dvice from qtcreator?
[13:16] <dpm> m-b-o, do a 'wget http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/ubuntu-weather-app.desktop' to put a dummy .desktop file on the branch's directory
[13:16] <dpm> m-b-o, that should get Ctrl+F12 running again
[13:16] <m-b-o> thanks
[13:16] <popey> really, we can't just run from qtc?
[13:17] <popey> m-b-o: dpm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGQjYJRJh8
[13:17] <dpm> popey, that's that thread about cmake breakage on the core apps mailing list. I suggest until we have a fix we just commit dummy .desktop files to all apps, otherwise it's a big pain
[13:18] <dpm> the size looks now great on the device, it's just the flicker
[13:18] <dpm> or jitter, rather
[13:18] <m-b-o> dpm: I know where to screw
[13:18] <dpm> rock on
[13:21] <m-b-o> dpm doesn't work with only addin gthe desktop file :(
[13:21] <dpm> m-b-o, oh, it works for me, and it worked for neokore last night. What's the error you're getting?
[13:22] <m-b-o>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  [14:21:05] sed: can't read /home/phablet/dev_tmp/ubuntu-weather-app/conditional-weather/ubuntu-weather-app.desktop: No such file or directory
[13:22] <m-b-o> damn
[13:22] <m-b-o> in the wrong branch
[13:22] <dpm> ah, ok
[13:23] <popey> heh
[13:24] <m-b-o> dpm popey having only portait on the n7, it's even more broken
[13:26] <dpm> bummer :(
[13:34] <dpm> fginther, could we trigger a click package build for Music?
[13:34] <m-b-o> dpm popey sorry, I think there's a bug in n7, so trying to work around will disimprove the things on the other devixves
[13:34] <m-b-o> devices
[13:37] <dpm> ok, m-b-o, thanks a lot for all the effort, you guys have been awesome. Let's leave it at here, then. We'll upload the click package with the TWC backend to the store, and then we'll assess if we can use the convergent revision and show only on N10
[13:43] <m-b-o> dpm ok. I'm sorry, but I guess we shold have had more time to get it bullet proofed
[13:43] <dpm> m-b-o, no need to be sorry when you guys have been above the call of duty! I wasn't expecting the troubles on the N7, I thought grid units would just work...
[13:46] <m-b-o> dpm: ok. I think we have to refactor the whole shapes thing in the next time
[14:09] <fginther`> dpm, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/music-app-click/146/
[14:11] <dpm> fginther`, perfect, thanks. Next, can I request rssreader and weather builds?
[14:45] <fginther`> dpm, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/weather-app-click/116/
[14:45] <fginther`> dpm, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/rssreader-app-click/101/
[14:46] <dpm> awesome, thanks fginther`
[15:53] <popey> dholbach: beuno click reviewers tools are crashing for me
[15:53] <beuno> popey, traceback?
[15:54] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6966104/
[15:54] <popey> I pull from bzr
[15:55] <popey> so i guess it's because something has been split out and requires being installed in some python path?
[15:56] <beuno> not sure, sounds like something dholbach would break
[15:57] <dholbach> beuno, popey: looks like my fix in r148/r149 didn't entirely fix the issue
[15:58] <dholbach> popey, it should have no impact on the functionality, although I agree we should fix it
[15:58] <dholbach> popey, it basically explodes while cleaning up after the tests are run
[15:58] <popey> ah
[15:58] <dholbach> I'm going to need some help fixing this
[15:58] <dholbach> and I won't have time until next week I think
[15:59] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools/+bug/1282652
[15:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1282652 in Canonical Click Reviewers tools "TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not callable" [Undecided,New]
[15:59] <dholbach> thanks popey
[15:59] <popey> np
[17:24] <nik90> dpm: isn't there anybody with privileges to top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-calendar-app/fixes-1282500/+merge/207400 ?
[17:29] <dpm> nik90, yes, I didn't top-approve because it's blocked on an eds bug that's making the tests fail
[18:13] <renato_> balloons, ping
[18:14] <renato_> dpm, hi, I am trying to reproduce this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1282129
[18:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1282129 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "Clock and calendar tests fail with static void QOrganizerEDSEngine::itemsAsyncListed(ECalComponent*, time_t, time_t, FetchRequestData*) " [High,Triaged]
[18:16] <balloons> renato_: :-) sure, I think the new clock has been pushed to the store
[18:17] <balloons> it should be in new images, and if you update click apps, you should also get it
[18:17] <renato_> nik90, lets talk here
[18:17] <nik90> renato_: ok
[18:17] <renato_> nik90, as I am saying , the problem is that
[18:17] <nik90> balloons: yes the clock app has been updated
[18:18] <renato_> nik90, balloons, in the clock the alarm api  does not filter the events and ask for a undefined date interval
[18:18] <renato_> this cause a lot of events to be returned
[18:18] <renato_> imagine a daily recurrence event
[18:18] <renato_> without a date interval will be infinite
[18:18] <nik90> renato_: yes I have noticed that the console output is a lot during the process
[18:19] <renato_> what I can do until the guys fix the alarm api is return a limited number of events
[18:19] <renato_> for example only the 100 first event
[18:19] <popey> beuno: i am trying to download an app to review but it won't let me
[18:19] <nik90> renato_: hmm that might make sense
[18:20] <renato_> but this can cause some problem problems, since I do not have any start date
[18:20] <renato_> since when I will return events?
[18:21] <nik90> renato_: why cant you take the start date as today
[18:21] <renato_> another option is if the developer does not specify any date I will return only the main events  without the recurrence ones
[18:22] <nik90> renato_: then the clock app won't list recurrent alarms
[18:22] <renato_> but I am not  sure if the alarm will works correct in this way
[18:22] <renato_> nik90, yes
[18:22] <nik90> renato_: that's a serious regression then
[18:22] <renato_> nik90, is not a regression, is a new functionality that the app was not ready for that :D
[18:23] <nik90> lol
[18:24] <nik90> renato_: Isn't it possible to revert the offending patch in EDS until we get a fix in the alarms API?
[18:26] <renato_> nik90, without this patch the recurrence events will not work on calendar
[18:26] <balloons> renato_: I'm not so sure calendar works well with the change.. it too seemed to have trouble in tests, but I focused more on clock
[18:27] <nik90> renato_: caught you :P .. so it is a trade of clock app vs calendar app
[18:28] <renato_> balloons, let me try the calendar autopilot tests here
[18:30] <renato_> balloons, yes there is no test for recurrence all tests works, but as I told you my calendar is empty, the error should happen after add a recurrence event
[18:30] <renato_> nik90, you can disable the alarms this should make you app works
[18:30] <balloons> renato_: are you saying calendar is missing a test for this? if so, let's file a bug and get one added
[18:31] <balloons> getting tests is (almost) as simple as saking
[18:31] <renato_> since the alarms does not works with the previous version of eds plugin
[18:31] <renato_> balloons, yes I need a test that reproduce the bug
[18:32] <balloons> renato_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+filebug. I think you understand it best to file, I'll have a look after
[18:32] <renato_> balloons, is the calendar crashing in your device or desktop?
[18:33] <balloons> renato_: I'm away @ a sprint, so I'm a bit hampered.. That said, when I first investigated this it worked for me on my desktop
[18:34] <renato_> yeah it depends how many recurrence events do you have
[18:35] <balloons> yea, likely I saw it running ok on the images too because this condition wasn't met
[18:35] <nik90> renato_: disabled recurring alarms or the entire alarms feature?
[18:36] <renato_> nik90, the alarms is not working correct? there is not indicator integrations right now
[18:36] <renato_> you can create but you can not use that
[18:36] <balloons> so what's the best way to move forward? Reverting is not a simple task, so I assume it's not really an option. Which means we need a fix, and we should talk about workarounds until it lands?
[18:37] <nik90> renato_: charles MP to provide indicator integration is ready. We are just waiting on it to be pushed to the archive
[18:37] <nik90> renato_: this would be a bad time to revert alarms when the indicator support is ready
[18:37] <renato_> nik90, where is that? did you test it?
[18:38] <nik90> renato_: https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1233176/+merge/190009
[18:38] <nik90> renato_: actually it has already beeen merged into trunk
[18:39] <renato_> nik90, this is good, but I am not sure the alarm api is ready for that :D
[18:40] <nik90> renato_: ignore my last 2 statements...I swear I saw his most recent branch which has been reviewed and ready to go
[18:40] <nik90> renato_: I even saw a screenshot of the notification on the device
[18:40] <balloons> nik90 dreams vividly
[18:41] <nik90> renato_, balloons: Here you go https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/alarms/+merge/204420
[18:41] <renato_> nik90, balloons, ok quick solution, limit the number of events returned by eds when no date interval is passed
[18:41] <dpm> ahayzen, around?
[18:42] <renato_> this is a workaround, in my opinion the eds should not return any event if the date interval is invalid
[18:43] <renato_> but since both apps are not using a date interval, we should keep that for a while
[18:43] <nik90> renato_: okay
[18:43] <nik90> renato_: we just need this quick hack for the MWC
[18:43] <renato_> nik90, how to test if this works?
[18:43] <renato_> I am not able to reproduce the bug
[18:43] <renato_> are you?
[18:43] <balloons> ^^ we need a test to reproduce
[18:44] <nik90> renato_: we can handle this post MWC properly
[18:44] <nik90> renato_: test what? the notifications?
[18:44] <renato_> nik90, the current bug
[18:44] <nik90> renato_: I cannot test it since I am on 13.10
[18:44] <renato_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtorganizer5-eds/+bug/1282129
[18:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1282129 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "Clock and calendar tests fail with static void QOrganizerEDSEngine::itemsAsyncListed(ECalComponent*, time_t, time_t, FetchRequestData*) " [High,Triaged]
[18:45] <nik90> renato_: installing the latest EDS package causes unmet dependencies for me
[19:29] <renato_> nik90, balloons , could you guys test this? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/limit-number-of-events/+merge/207542
[19:30] <renato_> this will return only events for the current year
[19:35] <balloons> renato_: I'll have a look
[19:36] <balloons> so i think we simply need a build of qtorganizer5 with this change; we'll install and run
[19:37] <renato_> balloons, yes
[19:37] <balloons> clock/calendar tests in theory should run
[19:37] <renato_> balloons, jenkins will build for you
[19:37] <balloons> yep, I'll await :-)
[19:48] <popey> nice one renato_
[20:03] <fginther> dpm, are you all done with builds for the day?
[20:06] <dpm> fginther, we're trying to fix weather for the N7, but we're not making much progress, so we might not be at a point to release a package. Then there's music, which has an issue with its cmake (needs to include the grilo plugin, which it doesn't) and creates a .click that does not work. So depending on how these two go, we might well be done with builds for the day, unfortunately :(
[20:06] <fginther> dpm, ack, I wanted to make sure I didn't miss any requests
[20:07] <dpm> fginther, thanks for the follow up, you didn't, so far we got all the builds we requested, which is great
[20:33] <szymon_w> Hello! I've been playing around with QtMultimedia 5.0 and all works nice when running on desktop but when I try my app on device I can not reverse or rewind. function seek(position) not working on device. here is example code: https://code.launchpad.net/~majster-pl/+junk/audio-bug-example  if anyone can help me with this that would be cool :)
[20:34] <szymon_w> I have to add that it all works well for Video on device... position can be changed and it all works, but its not the case in Audio component.
[21:40] <balloons> renato_: jenkins doesn't like your mp.. ping if you get a binary
[22:25] <renato_> balloons, we have the debian, https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/qtorganizer5-eds/limit-number-of-events/+merge/207542
[23:08] <balloons> renato_: testing things now on my device
[23:22] <balloons> renato_: for clock, the issue of failing tests remains
[23:23] <balloons> the output looks the same, I will confirm I'm not crazy
[23:23] <balloons> renato_: I'm running ubuntu_clock_app.tests.test_alarm.TestAlarm.test_delete_alarm_must_delete_from_alarm_list


[05:46] <johnorjias> Hello all :-) I am just wondering if anyone has instructions for enabling the ttyO1-O5 serial ports on the BBB in snappy
[05:47] <dbrouwer> Hi John, I was about to sk the same question!
[05:47] <johnorjias> haha hello doug :-)
[05:48] <johnorjias> I think everyone is sitting idle at the moment I will keep an eye out for if anyone gets on and response to this
[07:19] <zyga> goooood morning :)
[09:11] <ysionneau> morning!
[09:12] <ysionneau> what should I do to propose a patch for snapcraft? open a ticket on launchpad and append a patch? or open a pull request with my patch on GitHub ?
[09:12] <ysionneau> or both
[09:18] <dholbach> ysionneau, https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md :)
[09:19] <ysionneau> thx!
[09:22] <ysionneau> I need to submit the "contributor license agreement"
[09:22] <ysionneau> "Please add the Canonical Project Manager or contact" < who is it?
[09:22] <ysionneau> -it+he
[09:22] <ysionneau> or she
[09:29] <ogra_> mvo, mind if i add "XB-Task: ubuntu-core" to the initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core package in the PPA ? seesm we end up without initrd in the rootfs if thats not there (breaking everyones custom kernel builds)
[09:33] <mvo> ogra_: please do
[09:33] <mvo> ogra_: all the packages from the weekend will hopefully get uploaded to xenial proper today
[09:33] <ogra_> i have a check for that in livecd-rootfs trunk already
[09:33] <mvo> ogra_: but please add it
[09:34] <ogra_> mvo, and sorry for the clashes on the weekend ... i only got aware you were tinkering too very late :)
[09:35] <davidcalle> zyga: hi, do you know when multiple plugs support is going to land? Right now, when I'm trying to use multiple ones (eg. home + network + something), I get "youtube-dl_2016.03.27_amd64.snap failed to install: only a single plug is supported, 3 found"
[09:38] <davidcalle> jdstrand: ^
[09:42] <mvo> ogra_: no worries
[09:43] <dpm> ysionneau, I think the best person to add would be Jamie Bennet
[09:43] <mvo> ogra_: I have some changes  pending locally that I need to commit proper but commiting must be done in sync with the new snappy upload so its all a bit circular
[09:44] <ogra_> well, after all edge is allowed to break :)
[09:44] <ogra_> mvo, i was wondering what we'll do with all the universe packages
[09:44] <ogra_> there is still a good bunch
[09:47] <ysionneau> ok dpm thanks
[09:50] <mvo> ogra_: uh, thats bad, I thought it all got promoted, I was not looking closely :/
[09:50] <ogra_> watchdog, libnss-extrausers, ubuntu-fan, ubuntu-core-libs, tpm-tools, opencryptoki, libopencryptoki0, libtpm-unseal1, ubuntu-core-config
[09:50] <ogra_> that is what i see coming from universe in the image build logs
[09:56] <mvo> ogra_: oh, ok. those are all for the image itself. ok
[10:00] <zyga> davidcalle: it's already supported now but stay tuned :)
[10:01] <zyga> davidcalle: I'm getting connect/disconnect to do something for real
[10:01] <davidcalle> zyga: supported as in "landed"? See my error above
[10:01] <zyga> davidcalle: and I also need to get auto-connect to work (for things as landed)
[10:01] <zyga> davidcalle: it's landed and released last night but wasn't useful yet
[10:02] <zyga> davidcalle: we need one more release
[10:02] <ogra_> mvo, well, libnss-extrausers, ubuntu-core-libs and ubuntu-core-config are pretty essential i think ... not sure about the others though
[10:02] <zyga> davidcalle: if your image is older than a few hours it needs to be rebuilt
[10:02] <ogra_> mvo, writing a mail
[10:02] <mvo> ta
[10:02] <zyga> davidcalle: but note that before the next release it's all broken anyway
[10:02] <zyga> davidcalle: and your snap won't get any permissions
[10:05] <davidcalle> zyga, ok, do you ~know when is this next landing planned?
[10:06] <zyga> davidcalle: when we get new things to work
[10:06] <zyga> very soon
[12:14] <ogra_> mvo, u-d-f fails with that latest snappy changes ...
[12:15] <ogra_> bind mount failed for /tmp/diskimage643961727/writable/system-data/var/lib/snappy to /tmp/diskimage643961727/system/var/lib/snappy with: exit status 32 mount: mount point /tmp/diskimage643961727/system/var/lib/snappy does not exist
[12:16] <mvo> ogra_: are you using the edge channel? i.e. what is your u-d-f commandline?
[12:17] <mvo> ogra_: are you using u-d-f from my people.c.c page?
[12:17] <sergiusens> kyrofa, hey, care to start reviewing https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/434
[12:18] <sergiusens> examples tests fail as new infra was deployed, fgimenez is on it fwiw :-)
[12:21] <ogra_> mvo, well, the same one i use since starting to use all-snaps ... from your people.u.c page, yes
[12:21] <ogra_> mvo, oh
[12:22] <ogra_> i didnt notice the update ... ignore me :)
[12:25] <ogra_> mvo, works fine, sorry for the noise :)
[12:26] <mvo> ogra_: thanks and no worries
[12:27] <mvo> ogra_: its hard to keep track of non-pkgs :/ but soon we fix all this
[12:27] <ogra_> yeah, we still have 10 days
[12:27] <ogra_> :P
[12:28] <ogra_> -
[12:28] <ogra_> oops
[12:28] <mvo> ogra_: *cough*
[12:28] <mvo> ogra_: wasn't this the 16.06 release ? to honor 6.06?
[12:29] <ogra_> lol
[12:34] <fgimenez> sergiusens, it should be fixed now http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/github-snapcraft-examples-tests-cloud/545/console
[12:34] <sergiusens> ty
[12:45] <ogra_> hmm, unsquashfs doesnt work on pipes :(
[12:46]  * ogra_ would like to pull the initrd.img out of the os snap without having to completely download it
[12:47] <ogra_> but piping a wget stream seems to not work :(
[13:04] <johnorjias> Hello all :-) I am just wondering if anyone has instructions for enabling the ttyO1-O5 serial ports on the BBB in snappy?
[13:15] <oparoz> Hello, how do we know which OS binaries we can use in a snap? I've had startup scripts fail because I wanted to use hostnamectl or sed -i and got denied by apparmor
[13:16] <oparoz> I mean, I can call these just fine from the snap, but somehow I can't use them in a startupscript, so it takes a bit of trial and error to figure out what is allowed
[13:16] <ysionneau> If anyone want to try doing snaps cross compilation, you can give this a try : https://github.com/fallen/snapcraft/tree/dev-alchemy-branch
[13:17] <ysionneau> using this build system : https://github.com/parrot-developers/alchemy
[13:21] <oparoz> ysionneau: Is there a bit more instructions on how to set it up?
[13:22] <davidcalle> ogra_: how do you disable snappy auto-reboot on Xenial? Althgouh, it's very useful, when my desktop reboots unexpectedly, I know it's any-hour-past-ten :P
[13:22] <ysionneau> oparoz: I should post an example :)
[13:22] <ogra_> davidcalle, using snappy config ubuntu-core (i forgot the exact syntax, Chipaca` always knew it from teh top of his head though)
[13:23] <oparoz> ysionneau: Yes, please. Per example I'm using an amd64 VM and I'd like to target arm, so I guess I must be able to define the targets somewhere, etc.
[13:27] <davidcalle> ogra, can you get/set options from the cli or do I need to provide a new conf file?
[13:27] <ogra_> you can pipe it somehow, thats the bit i was referring to for Chipaca`
[13:27] <davidcalle> Ok, thanks :)
[13:28] <davidcalle> ogra_: Chipaca` found it  "echo 'config: {ubuntu-core: {autoupdate: off}}' | sudo snappy config ubuntu-core -"
[13:29] <ogra_> cool
[13:48] <ysionneau> oparoz: https://github.com/fallen/hello_snappy_alchemy
[13:52] <ysionneau> that's very early and beta stuff (the alchemy plugin, not the alchemy build system) but it does work for my uses for now
[13:53] <ysionneau> + it's a bit hacky
[14:00] <oparoz> Thanks for that ysionneau. Regarding snapcraft, do we need more than the alchemy plugin?
[14:21] <ogra_> reading canonical-snapdragon-linux_0.snap/vmlinuz
[14:21] <ogra_> 24026624 bytes read in 6534 ms (3.5 MiB/s)
[14:21] <ogra_> reading canonical-snapdragon-linux_0.snap/dtbs/apq8016-sbc.dtb
[14:21] <ogra_> mvo, ^^^ thats doesnt look correct ... where is the version gone ?
[14:23] <ogra_> + snapcraft snap snap
[14:23] <ogra_> Snapping canonical-snapdragon-linux_4.4.0-1009+20160411.11-57_arm64.snap
[14:23] <ogra_> Parallel mksquashfs: Using 4 processors
[14:23] <sergiusens> ysionneau, where is the alchemy plugin? :-)
[14:23] <ogra_> the snap seems to have been built ok though
[14:24] <sergiusens> ysionneau, fwiw, cross compiling is super easy, the problem we have from a snapcraft point of view are `stage-packages` and `build-packages`
[14:25] <ogra_> wow, "snap list" on the dragonboard takes nearly 30sec to tell me about the 3 packages
[14:25] <ogra_> ah, subsequent runs are slightly faster
[14:26] <ogra_> (still a lot slower than snappy list was)
[14:27] <zyga> ogra_: looks like socket activation
[14:27] <ogra_> did that get tested on all arches ?
[14:27] <ogra_> (i would suspect armhf to actually be a lot slower than arm64 here )
[14:28] <zyga> ogra_: it was always socket activated
[14:28] <ogra_> snappy list did use sockets ?
[14:28] <zyga> snappy list is gone, snap list uses sockets
[14:28] <ogra_> i thought the reply came directly from the snappy binary
[14:28] <ogra_> zyga, well, snap list is there since today
[14:29] <ogra_> and is definitely lots slower than snappy list was ... in the first incarnation at least
[14:29] <zyga> ogra_: no, it was there for a while, but now snappy list is not there
[14:29] <ogra_> zyga, it wasnt there until michael landed it on the weekend
[14:30] <zyga> ogra_: well, in any way, snap list was in the source for months
[14:30] <ogra_> i dont care about the source :P
[14:30] <zyga> ogra_: snappy list was taking global lock; snap list should be faster down the line
[14:30] <zyga> well, sorry :)
[14:30] <ogra_> it is definitely an odd user experience if you knew snappy list before though
[14:31] <zyga> (snap list won't read the FS soon)
[14:31] <ogra_> (it should at least print something that tells you the initial run can take ages
[14:31] <ogra_> )
[14:31] <zyga> currently it still does
[14:31] <zyga> ages?
[14:31] <zyga> each snap command should print that?
[14:31] <ogra_> 30sec to 1min ... i didnt actually stopwatch it
[14:31] <zyga> I think that's not reasonable, we'll just get it faster
[14:31] <zyga> what did you test this on?
[14:32] <ogra_> dragonboard
[14:32] <zyga> I run on pi2 all the time and it's a few seconds at most
[14:32] <ogra_> i.e. the fastest arm arch we have
[14:32] <zyga> wow, measure your card, maybe it's the cause
[14:32] <ogra_> i use the same cards everywhere ... 48MB/s throughput
[14:32] <ogra_> this is with todays image ... i.e. the first one that has all bits in place
[14:33] <zyga> odd, I will give it a try with the next image tomorrow
[14:33] <zyga> not everything is in place yet
[14:40] <daker> hi guys snapcraft questions :
[14:40] <daker> 1- how can i tell snapcraft to not pull git submodules ?
[14:41] <daker> 2- snapcraft snap don't produce a .snap, any ideas why ?
[14:41] <daker> doesn't*
[14:42] <zyga> daker: try just "snapcraft" for 2
[14:42] <daker> zyga: (y) thanks!
[14:43] <daker> for 1) i saw that it is harcoded
[14:43] <zyga> daker: patch snapcraft; no other way
[14:48] <ysionneau> sergiusens: https://github.com/fallen/snapcraft/tree/dev-alchemy-branch in the plugins directory :)
[14:49] <ysionneau> 16:00 < oparoz> Thanks for that ysionneau. Regarding snapcraft, do we need more than the alchemy plugin? < what do you mean?
[14:49] <netphreak> Hi, guys!
[14:49] <ysionneau> 16:24 < sergiusens> ysionneau, fwiw, cross compiling is super easy, the problem we have from a snapcraft point of view are `stage-packages` and `build-packages` < last time I asked the only way to cross compile was to use qemu-user with a debootstrap of arm userspace?
[14:49] <ysionneau> did the situation evolve ?
[14:50] <netphreak> Is it possible to to setup the snappy jdk plugin to pull in a jdk for a specific architecture not the same as the build machine?
[14:51] <sergiusens> ysionneau, that's not cross compile (qemu-user), that is native compile in an emulated environment :-P
[14:51] <ysionneau> yeah :p
[14:51] <ysionneau> sure
[14:51] <ysionneau> when you say "cross compiling is super easy" does it mean it is now possible to do it?
[14:53] <sergiusens> ysionneau, only for the kernel; I haven't solved `stage` and `build` packages as I mentioned
[14:53] <netphreak> ?
[14:54] <sergiusens> netphreak, not as it is right now
[14:55] <daker> sergiusens: any idea what would be the appropriate keyword for the git recurse-submodules ?
[14:55] <netphreak> :/
[14:55] <netphreak> makes idk and java a bit more complex to handle.. /
[14:55] <netphreak> jdk
[14:56] <netphreak> is it something that is on the todo list?
[14:58] <netphreak> or is there somewhere i can pull down a precompiled jdk for Xenial from for armhf i can use?
[14:58] <netphreak> ffrom snap
[15:04] <dbrouwer> Are there instructions for enabling the ttyO1-O5 serial ports on the BBB in snappy?
[15:32] <daker> Hi guys again store questions: what does Snap name stand for ? and which Series should i target ?
[15:33] <zyga> daker: snap name == just a name
[15:37] <daker> i didn't it's says invalide name :D maybe it should be lowercase ?
[15:37] <daker> i did*
[15:38] <daker> beuno: can you help please ?
[15:38] <beuno> daker, sorry, what's the context here?
[15:38] <beuno> what are you tryi ng to do?
[15:39] <beuno> snap name is indeed the name of the snappy package
[15:39] <beuno> it'll be what people type in the command line, so yes, lowercase and no special characters
[15:39] <daker> so "MicroPython" is an invalid name ?
[15:39] <daker> ah ok
[15:40] <zyga> daker: yep, micro-python or micropython will work
[15:40] <daker> beuno: because the indicator on the right is green with "MicroPython"
[15:40] <daker> and the helptext doesn't mention lowercase at all
[15:41] <beuno> daker, I'll get that fixed, thank you
[15:41] <beuno> beowulf, ^
[15:42] <daker> beuno: thanks!
[15:44] <qengho> You Ubuntu guys should sell some crash-reporting service for snaps.
[15:44] <daker> zyga: one last question: i see people uploading different arch, what arch should i build againt
[15:45] <zyga> daker: what do you want to target?
[15:45] <beowulf> daker: beuno: thanks, will fix
[15:45] <beuno> daker, as many as you can?  :)
[15:46] <qengho> daker: Why not all of them?
[15:46] <beuno> I think amd64 and armhf will get you the vast majority though
[15:47] <daker> beowulf: thanks! just avoid the confusion :D maybe also add a text under the input explaining what snap name means
[15:47] <qengho> (and PowerPC users try to weep some more from their dessicated tear ducts.)
[15:47] <beowulf> daker: good idea, thanks
[15:49] <daker> beuno: and how it will served via the store ? like someone on an rpi trying snapp install mysnapname and i only have an amd64 snapp on the the store
[15:50] <beuno> daker, they won't see snaps for architectures that aren't their own
[15:51] <beuno> thanks beowulf
[15:52] <daker> beuno: i mean how does the store knows the arch, is it via the snap name ex : "forbar_version_i386.snap"
[15:53] <beuno> daker, no, it ignores the name. It parses it out of the snap.yaml
[15:54] <daker> beuno: ah i see
[16:27] <jkridner> hi sergiusens
[16:27] <sergiusens> hi
[16:27] <sergiusens> jkridner, and you have kyrofa
[16:27] <kyrofa> jkridner, hey there
[16:27] <jkridner> thanks sergiusens and kyrofa
[16:29] <ysionneau> sergiusens: with which python package did you test your commit? the debian package (python-magic)? or the pip one?
[16:30] <ysionneau> it's just a matter of being consistent, I don't care which one you chose
[16:30] <sergiusens> ysionneau, the debian one
[16:30] <ysionneau> allright, then let's just commit with this one
[16:31] <ysionneau> it's ok for you if I change the pip line ?
[16:31] <ysionneau> (the one in .travis.yml)
[16:56] <netphreak> hi, guys!
[17:02] <zyga> hi
[17:08] <netphreak> Is there anyway i can pull down a architecture specific java jdk (not using the jdk/maven plugin)?
[17:10] <zyga> I don't know, sorry
[17:11] <netphreak> problem is jdk/maven plugins download an jdk matching the build machine's architecture :/
[17:14] <zyga> netphreak: I don't know if cross compiling is supported yet
[17:15] <netphreak> well, i suppose the jdk is exist in allready compiled state -ready to be pulled in?
[17:16] <zyga> netphreak: I think there are some requests for cross architecture snapcraft but you'd have to check that yourself
[17:16] <zyga> (even if bits are already built snapcraft would need to understand that you are targetting a different arch)
[17:47] <dbrouwer> Can someone give me some guidance? How do I enable  the ttyO1-O5 serial ports on the BBB in snappy?
[17:48] <zyga> dbrouwer: I don't think you can do that yet, you'd have to create a snap that listens on those ports and you'd have to pass the hardware to that snap
[17:48] <zyga> dbrouwer: come back in two weeks
[17:49] <zyga> dbrouwer: then it should be doable
[17:49] <dbrouwer> All right. Thanks! That at least gives me some hope!
[19:48] <oparoz> Is there a snap package builder status page to know when to avoid requesting builds?
[19:49] <oparoz> Maybe that's a question for #launchpad...
[19:58] <qengho> oparoz: what would make you avoid it?
[20:01] <daker> anybody know what's does : Unexpected output from click-review.
[20:01] <daker> stand for ...
[20:01] <oparoz> qengho: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1569023
[20:02] <oparoz> qengho: If the dashboard shows lots of builds failing, there is no point in overloading the system. It doesn't seem to be the case here though
[20:05] <qengho> daker: hrm. I'd check  https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/  . It could be the package verifier had a complaint, but the client you are running didn't understand it. (That would be a bug, but not your problem.)
[20:05] <daker> qengho: that's the automated review
[20:05] <qengho> daker: I assumed you just uploaded a package, that is?
[20:06] <daker> yes .snap
[20:06] <qengho> Sweet! daker, check the automatic review.
[20:07] <daker> the automated review says : Unexpected output from click-review. :D
[20:07] <daker> and the package is refused
[20:08] <qengho> Whoa.
[20:08] <daker> hi beuno sorry the noise, can you pleas help ?
[20:08] <daker> for*
[20:10] <beuno> daker, hi
[20:10] <daker> beuno: https://i.imgur.com/0WWnKzx.png
[20:11] <beuno> daker, it seems to think it's a click and not a snap
[20:11] <beuno> daker, did you upload it to Ubuntu Core?
[20:11] <beuno> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/?format=snap
[20:11] <daker> beuno: yes
[20:12] <daker> https://i.imgur.com/906B4bw.png
[20:12]  * beuno looks
[20:13] <daker> id: 4841
[20:13] <daker> beuno: https://i.imgur.com/Iixkk7h.png
[20:16] <beuno> the review tools aren't happy:
[20:16] <beuno> beuno@beuno-desktop:~/canonical/click-reviewers-tools$ python3 bin/click-review ~/Downloads/micropython.daker_1.7_i386.snap
[20:16] <beuno> ERROR: could not find required 'hooks' in manifest:
[20:16] <beuno> {'architecture': ['i386'],
[20:16] <beuno>  'description': 'MicroPython is a lean and efficient Python implementation for '
[20:16] <beuno>                 'microcontrollers and constrained systems.',
[20:17] <beuno>  'framework': 'ubuntu-core-15.04-dev1',
[20:17] <beuno>  'icon': 'meta/icon.png',
[20:17] <beuno>  'installed-size': '481',
[20:17] <beuno>  'maintainer': 'Adnane Belmadiaf<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:17] <beuno>  'name': 'micropython',
[20:17] <beuno>  'title': 'A lean and efficient Python implementation for microcontrollers.',
[20:17] <beuno>  'version': '1.7'}
[20:17] <beuno> daker, how did you build it?
[20:17] <daker> yes that's i saw :D
[20:17] <daker> snapcraft snap
[20:17] <daker> then snapcraft
[20:18] <daker> $ snapcraft -v
[20:18] <daker> snapcraft (1.1.0).
[20:19] <oparoz> 1.1.0 ? :-O
[20:19] <daker> from the ppa :D
[20:19] <oparoz> Ah :D
[20:20] <daker> on 14.04
[20:24] <beuno> so, at this point, I'm not sure
[20:24] <beuno> I'm missing the people who know snapcraft and the reviewers tools today!
[20:25] <beuno> daker, I'll chase this up for you tomorrow with jdstrand
[20:25] <daker> beuno: thanks, i'll give it another try
[20:36] <daker> beuno: do you want to me fil a bug ? just in case you forgot
[20:36] <beuno> daker, sure, that'd be useful to track
[20:52] <stgraber> jdstrand: lxd 2.0 final sent to the snappy store
[20:59] <stgraber> beuno: thanks!
[20:59] <beuno> :)
[20:59] <daker> beuno: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1569041
[21:19] <kyrofa> daker, I don't think snapcraft ever included hooks in the manifest. Note also that you're using 2.x yaml on a 1.x snapcraft
[21:20] <daker> kyrofa: oh! really
[21:20] <kyrofa> daker, you need to be using this: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/blob/1.x/docs/snapcraft-syntax.md
[21:20] <kyrofa> daker, specifically referring to your use of `apps` instead of `binaries`
[21:21] <daker> i see
[21:22] <daker> kyrofa: what's the recommended version ? 2.x ?
[21:22] <kyrofa> daker, it depends on what your target-- are you wanting to ship snaps targeting 15.04 or 16.04 Snappy ubuntu core?
[21:22] <daker> 15.04
[21:23] <kyrofa> daker, then you're made the right choice. Note however that 15.04 will reach end-of-life soon
[21:23] <kyrofa> Man I can't type today. you've*
[21:23] <daker> :)
[21:24] <kyrofa> daker, basically, Snapcraft 1.x targets pre-xenial, Snapcraft 2.x post-xenial
[21:24] <daker> i see
[21:53] <daker> kyrofa: anyidea if this is correct https://paste.ubuntu.com/15768257/ ?
[21:53] <daker> this result in No such file or directory: '/home/daker/Work/micropython-snappy/snap/bin/micropython'
[21:59] <daker> the binary is in /home/daker/Work/micropython-snappy/snap/usr/local/bin/
[22:06] <kyrofa> daker, yeah that looks correct. Do any parts place the `micropython` executable in bin/
[22:06] <kyrofa> ?
[22:06] <kyrofa> Ah
[22:06] <kyrofa> daker, well then, not correct-- use /usr/local/bin/
[22:06] <kyrofa> Rather, usr/local/bin/
[22:07] <kyrofa> (I can't remember if that's automatically added to the path)
[22:07] <kyrofa> You can try just specifying micropython on its own, see if it is
[22:07] <daker> yes testing
[22:09] <daker> click-review crashed :D
[22:10] <daker> kyrofa: can you please check if the syntax is correct https://paste.ubuntu.com/15768597/ ?
[22:29] <daker> Yay it works :D
[22:30] <daker> beuno: found the issue
[22:30] <daker> well actually kyrofa did
[23:11] <kyrofa> daker, very good :)
[23:12] <daker> kyrofa: and the snap is waiting for review :D
[23:12] <daker> thanks!
[23:12] <kyrofa> daker, no problem. Is that snapcraft bug invalid, then?
[23:17] <daker> kyrofa: yes fixed
[23:25] <Swami_> hi
[23:25] <kyrofa> Hey Swami_, welcome
[23:25] <Swami_> Hi Kyrofa,
[23:26] <Swami_> just wanted to check if this is the irc channel for #snappy?
[23:26] <Swami_> from ubuntu core team
[23:26] <kyrofa> Swami_, it is indeed!
[23:26] <Swami_> thanks, this is my first time here.
[23:26] <Swami_> never used irc before.
[23:27] <kyrofa> Swami_, we're here for questions, though I'll warn you that most people are typically here a bit earlier in the day
[23:28] <Swami_> has anyone tried porting from source (custom kernel) to create their own ubuntu snappy image for a generic amd64 device, just as a first step?
[23:29] <Swami_> I was going through the mail digest for the past year and going through. Is there a list or some kind of writeup if someone has as there are not much info. available in snappy developer website for bringing up a custom kernel.
[23:29] <Swami_> Thanks Kyrofa.
[23:29] <kyrofa> Swami_, the kernel snaps are pretty new
[23:30] <kyrofa> Swami_, but yeah, you should be able to use the kbuild/kernel plugins in Snapcraft to build your kernel snap, then use ubuntu-device-flash to generate an image configured with it
[23:31] <kyrofa> Swami_, thing is, this only applies to xenial, which isn't released yet so it's still changing
[23:31] <kyrofa> Swami_, feel free to play with it, but keep that in mind
[23:32] <Swami_> I was reading through that I need some Apparmor changes, if I wanted to use my custom kernel. say for eg., I downloaded the kernel source from kernel.org and is it possible to use this kernel source to build for snappy's kernel image?
[23:33] <Swami_> sure, got it. I am not there yet. still new to snappy. haven't explored latest releases yet.
[23:34] <kyrofa> Swami_, I'd say it depends on the version
[23:34] <kyrofa> Swami_, I'm afraid I'm also not familiar with how much apparmor has been upstreamed
[23:35] <Swami_> I see. Is there a link which I can refer to build a custom kernel for my own engineering snappy image. Rather than picking the device tar ball from ubuntu server and then just using ubuntu-device-flash for just creating the image using the device tar file.
[23:37] <kyrofa> Swami_, perhaps this will be helpful: http://blog.sergiusens.org/posts/Snapcrafting-a-kernel/