[00:33] <Guest84115> I asked questions earlier today, and received some suggestions, but have not been able to resolve the problem.  When I installed Ubuntu 14.04 on my desk top computer running Windows XP, I thoght I divided the hard drive between XP and Ubuntu, 60% Ubuntu, 40% XP.  The HD has 250GB HD and 1GB RAM.  After installing Ubuntu, I have not been able to access the XP partition.  When the boot menu comes up with the four choices and I click
[00:35] <Guest84115> message reads, " a disk read error occurred:  Press ctl-alt-delete to restart".
[00:43] <Guest84115> A helpful person on this site suggested I go to Start/run/CMD to fix the master boot record, and typed a link for me to follow.  The problem is I cannot access Windows XP to attempt a fix of the mbr.  Before going to this site I thought I should uninstall Ubuntu, then go to XP to access the files I want to transfer to my laptop computer, then find a way to uninstall XP, then reinstall Ubuntu.  The reply I received to this comment
[00:45] <Guest84115> partition, because I cannot uninstall it.  I do not know the procedure for deleting Ubuntu.  Is there anyone who can help me resolve these problems.  I have no programmer experience, and no formal courses in computer software.
[00:57] <SaveMe> hello! So my apt-get seems to be messsed up after a(n assumedly botched) updating job. Should I just redownload Xubuntu?
[00:58] <SaveMe> yeaaaah I've just answered my own question.
[00:58] <SaveMe> Have a nice day folks.
[01:06] <Guest84115> pencilandpaper:  If you are still on the web site, do you have any information that can help resolve the problem I described?
[01:09] <pencilandpaper> Guest84115: sorry i didnt see your issue, what is your issue again?
[01:13] <Guest84115> I have files I would like to take from the original operating system, MS Windows XP, and transfer them to another computer.  I cannot find a way to access that original OS since I installed the Ubuntu 14.04 operating system.    There's also file:////usr/share/xubuntu-docs/es/
[21:09] <Unit193> Is cups running now?
[21:09] <Lopulus> in terminal, yes
[21:09] <Lopulus> look at this: http://i.imgur.com/JBQ9nDM.png
[21:10] <Lopulus> that is my problem
[21:14] <Lopulus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11504895/ holstein
[21:18] <Lopulus> Unit193,
[21:30] <Lopulus> holstein,
[21:30] <Lopulus> GridNet,
[21:31] <knome> Lopulus, please, no need to ping random people
[21:31] <Lopulus> ok, sorry
[21:33] <xubuntu90o> posso avere un aiuto per una pennetta wireless dlink 131 non riconosciuta su xubuntu?
[21:35] <Unit193> !it | xubuntu90o
[21:36] <xubuntu90o> grazie


[00:20] <darkxst> robert_ancell, hey, if you have a chance could you take a look at my latest g-s-d/g-c-c MP's that should unblock gnome-desktop transition
[00:47] <robert_ancell> darkxst, I reviewed all the ones I saw - which ones are outstanding?
[00:48] <darkxst> robert_ancell, I filed 2 this morning
[00:48] <robert_ancell> darkxst, got the links?
[00:48] <darkxst> https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/utopic/gnome-settings-daemon/lp1372346-nodatetime/+merge/236639
[00:48] <darkxst> https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/utopic/gnome-control-center/lp1372346-noautotz
[00:57] <darkxst> robert_ancell, also bug 1376069, you missed that when you patched it for unity-control-center?
[00:57] <robert_ancell> ah, good catch
[01:43] <robert_ancell> darkxst, so, does the datetime plugin build now?
[02:01] <darkxst> robert_ancell, no, I disabled it from building
[02:04] <darkxst> it was new code, so couldnt just revert it back to geoclue
[02:04] <darkxst> its only really used for the automatic timezone stuff anyway (atleast in 3.12)
[04:39] <pitti> Good morning
[06:19] <pitti> darkxst, Laney: hmm, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/3.12.2-1ubuntu1 is stuck on depwait on geoclue-2.0
[06:19] <pitti> that's in universe
[07:10] <willcooke> morning all
[07:20] <larsu> hi willcooke!
[07:20] <willcooke> o/
[07:29] <pitti> hey willcooke, hey larsu
[07:29] <pitti> oh, is didrocks already on holidays in Japan?
[07:29] <willcooke> pitti, yup
[07:30] <willcooke> oh, pitti - I was talking with jpds about this yesterday:  https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=33461
[07:31] <willcooke> pitti, are you going to be in DC?  Can we have a chat about it?
[07:31] <pitti> willcooke: yes and yes :)
[07:35] <darkxst> pitti, hey
[07:35] <larsu> hi pitti :)
[07:35] <darkxst> fix for that is in unapproved
[07:36] <willcooke> thx pitti
[07:36] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:36] <willcooke> hey seb128
[07:36] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-rtm/ FYI :)
[07:37] <seb128> pitti, thanks, Laney pointed that out yesterday
[07:41] <darkxst> pitti or seb128, can you bump g-s-d and g-c-c from unapproved?
[07:41] <seb128> bump?
[07:41] <pitti> darkxst: oh nice, thanks for fixing the geoclue issue
[07:42] <pitti> darkxst: so supposedly in V we want to drop geoclue and promote geoclue-2.0?
[07:43] <pitti> darkxst: formally I'm not allowed to accept the packages, but these are quite obvious, I'll do it
[07:44] <darkxst> pitti, that would be nice, but geoclue-2.0 drops the plugins and perhaps a few other bits.
[07:46] <seb128> pitti, you can wait some 15min for Laney to be on otherwise
[07:47] <darkxst> gnome-shell-pomodoro also need a no change rebuild
[07:48] <pitti> darkxst: for libgnome-desktop?
[07:49] <darkxst> pitti, yes
[07:49] <darkxst> its a gnome-shell extensions, but it actually has  a program that links against libgnome-desktop as well
[07:49] <pitti> darkxst: according to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt quite a few more
[07:49] <pitti> like mailnag
[07:51] <pitti> darkxst: anyway, I'll upload these two
[07:51] <darkxst> pitti, mailnag is a python script
[07:51] <darkxst> ?
[07:52] <darkxst> quite a few of the things are blocked by g-s-d/u-s-d not being installable though
[07:52] <pitti> oh hmm, then it's uninstallable because of something else in between
[07:52] <pitti> yeah, let's wait for these two then
[07:53] <pitti> (pomodoro still building locally)
[07:53] <darkxst> Also I don't know why cinnamon deps on gnome-settings-daemon, when it has its own cinnamon-settings-daemon
[07:58] <seb128> they don't?
[07:59] <seb128> or likely a bug
[08:00] <darkxst> seb128, cinnamon package has a build-dep on gnome-settings-daemon
[08:00] <seb128> it might need the schemas for something?
[08:03] <Laney> hallo
[08:03] <larsu> hi Laney!
[08:03] <darkxst> seb128, its actually a binary-dep gnome-settings-daemon (>= <IP_ADDRESS>), so they would not even get the schemas
[08:04] <darkxst> probably just left over from old packaging
[08:04] <seb128> remember, that package comes from Debian which doesn't split the schemas
[08:04] <darkxst> hey Laney
[08:04] <Laney> hey larsu ;-)
[08:04] <seb128> Laney, good morning, how are you?
[08:05] <Laney> gsd sure would get the schemas transitively, or else that would be pretty broken
[08:05] <Laney> seb128: good, although we didn't do very well at the pub quiz yesterday >:(
[08:05] <Laney> you?
[08:06] <Laney> darkxst: thanks for the fixes
[08:07] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:27] <darkxst> Laney, np
[08:31] <Laney> erm
[09:12] <Laney> looks like gnome-desktop3 just went in
[09:12] <seb128> nice
[09:12] <willcooke> \o/
[09:14] <larsu> neat
[09:39] <darkxst> great! thanks for the help pushing it through ;)
[09:49] <darkxst> Laney, pitti, seb128 ^
[09:49] <Laney> yw, thanks for the work too
[09:49] <Laney> enjoy the shiny(ish)
[09:50] <pitti> darkxst: thanks for your work!
[10:33] <Laney> Someone remind me how key grabbing is supposed to work for media keys in u-s-d?
[10:34] <Laney> I'm trying to debug my non-working keys and I see that we don't start the legacy keygrabber there
[10:34] <Laney> if I make it start then the keys work
[10:35] <Laney> I don't know why it worked before because this code path was the same in trusty
[10:44] <Laney> oh
[10:44] <Laney> it moved to Unity didn't it
[10:46] <darkxst> Laney, yes Unity grew its on keygrabber, however I though the legacy keygrabber was being kept in u-s-d?
[10:47] <Laney> not for Ubuntu sessions
[10:47] <darkxst> no for 'legacy' sessions like flashback
[10:47] <Laney> indeed
[10:48] <Laney> but my problem is in a unity session
[10:48] <Laney> so not the legacy code
[10:48] <darkxst> Laney, oh, no idea then, I thought you run some non-unity DE?
[10:48] <Laney> different machine
[10:48] <Laney> desktop is unity
[10:49] <Laney> darkxst: is it u-s-d -> WM keygrabber over dbus?
[10:51] <Laney> looks like it
[10:52] <darkxst> Laney, I am not sure how unity does it, but in GNOME, I think its the other way around
[10:54] <Laney> there's methods on org.gnome.Shell on the session bus to grab and ungrab
[11:03] <darkxst> Laney, yes, but I think the WM takes the grab before g-s-d knows about it
[11:05] <darkxst> though its been a while since I looked at that code
[11:08] <pitti> Sweetsha1k: "Jenkins Fixed - utopic-adt-libreoffice 301" -- wohoo!!
[11:08] <pitti> first time ever
[11:09] <pitti> (in utopic)
[11:09] <Laney> bad news, now you have to keep it passing :p
[11:10] <pitti> good news, now we automatically hold back new uploads that break LO!
[11:10] <pitti> Laney: *tsk*, you have a *lot* to learn about selling stuff :)
[11:11] <Sweetsha1k> pitti: \o/
[11:11] <Laney> :)
[11:11] <Laney> Trevinho: yo, how can I get unity to print out its LOG_DEBUG messages?
[11:12] <Sweetshark> the bad news are only half as bad once you take into account the good news.
[11:14] <Sweetshark> and hey: enabling mergedlibs completely b0rked LibreOffice base, but autopkgtests completed just fine still :/
[11:15] <Sweetshark> hohum, although this solves only half the problem as I assume its easier to make LibreOffice FTBFS with an update, than to break the deployed binaries.
[11:16] <Sweetshark> but yeah, good stuff.
[12:01] <Laney> aaaaaaaaaha
[12:02] <Laney> u-c-c bug, looking like
[12:02] <seb128> the keybinding one?
[12:03] <Laney> ya
[12:03] <seb128> it writes a buggy config?
[12:03] <Laney> possibly
[12:04] <seb128> it works if you use g-c-c?
[12:04] <seb128> or how did you get to the conclusion that it's u-c-c?
[12:05] <Laney> I can fix it up in gsettings to work
[12:17] <Laney> but...
[12:17] <Laney> gcc writes the same thing
[12:17]  * Laney checks if shell works
[12:18] <seb128> could be the compiz/unity parser being overstrict on the syntax?
[12:18] <seb128> what's the difference between the non working and your hand fixed version?
[12:50] <Trevinho> Laney: UNITY_LOG_SEVERITY="<root>error;unity.your.component=debug"
[12:50] <Trevinho> Laney: or just set everything to debug, but it's probably a mess with that
[12:50] <Trevinho> so better to set a proper filter
[13:55] <Laney> darkxst: I think you want to take https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit?h=gnome-3-12&id=db497a2ecfccc8ad9284353826f32fc75ca78ecd into shell
[13:55] <Laney> media keys are broken now because you have the gsd half
[13:59] <dgadomski> hello everyone
[14:00] <dgadomski> Trevinho: regarding bug 1125442: what is the policy for adding config options? can I just add it to metadata/core.xml.in or should I do it via ubuntu-specific patch in debian/patches?
[14:00] <Trevinho> dgadomski: hi
[14:01] <Trevinho> dgadomski: no, just change the files... No patches needed
[14:02] <dgadomski> Trevinho: tks, I will make a merge request after testing this a bit
[14:02] <Laney> darkxst: oh, lolz, you already revert that
[14:04] <Trevinho> dgadomski: nice
[14:59] <Laney> okay now I'm inside compiz ...
[15:06] <seb128> Laney, nice!
[15:06] <Laney> NO
[15:16] <Trevinho> :)
[15:17] <seb128> Laney, I wonder if we should restore the gtk line wrapping hack before release, we said we might if there was still issues and we still have some
[15:17] <seb128> larsu, ^
[15:17] <larsu> do we still have issues?
[15:18] <seb128> we do
[15:18] <larsu> you mean the label < 640px thing, right?
[15:18] <larsu> seb128: a lot?
[15:18] <seb128> yes
[15:18] <seb128> not sure "a lot" I can see at least 3 cases regularly on my desktop with my limited use of UIs
[15:18] <seb128> 1-
[15:19] <Laney> can we patch them?
[15:19] <seb128> 1. go in nautilus in a folder with image, select a bunch, do right click -> properties
[15:19] <seb128> 2. gedit, open a new instance type something, open a tab, type something, try to close gedit
[15:19] <seb128> 3. the polkit dialogs
[15:20] <seb128> e.g trying to unlock the user settings panel
[15:20] <larsu> I'm guessing most of these will be fixed upstream already
[15:20] <larsu> so it doesn't make much sense for us to pull in all those patches
[15:20] <larsu> I sy let's put the gtk hack in and remove it right at the start of next cycle
[15:21] <seb128> Laney, we always can, but I assume that since it didn't happen until now it's not going to be done by magical way before freeze
[15:21]  * larsu prefers happy users in stable releases, and this is something we can easily spot
[15:21] <seb128> larsu, +1
[15:21] <Laney> who said magical?
[15:21] <Laney> but what evs, I don't mind
[15:21] <seb128> well, it didn't happen in a whole cycle, why would that change now?
[15:21] <larsu> I don't mind == +1, right?
[15:22] <Laney> ?!?!?!?!
[15:22] <larsu> :P
[15:22] <Laney> because we might decide to do the work?
[15:22] <seb128> if that was annoying people enough for them to do the work that would have happened
[15:22] <Laney> and I don't understand why having a fix upstream means we would be less likely to have a fix
[15:22] <seb128> I fixed a bunch
[15:22] <Laney> these arguments are weird to me
[15:23] <seb128> but it's just not high priority enough to spend day on those
[15:23] <seb128> days
[15:23] <seb128> Laney, well, my argument is that clearly it's not an itch people are wanting the scratch
[15:23] <seb128> so sure I could start assigning bugs and we can force some action to happen
[15:24] <seb128> but I don't think it's high enough importance to do that
[15:24] <larsu> Laney: we've fixed quite a few of those upstream. It's just that there are a lot of them (I hadn't seen any of the ones seb pointed to)
[15:24] <seb128> so I suggest we do the easy thing and put the workaround back and let people focus on their work
[15:24] <seb128> larsu, can you confirm those I described?
[15:26] <larsu> seb128: all except (3), because I don't know how to summon one of those
[15:26] <Laney> pkexec ls
[15:26] <seb128> larsu, as I wrote, go to settings->user and click "unlock"
[15:26] <larsu> seb128: yes.
[15:26] <seb128> k
[15:26] <larsu> I'm fine with fixing those before release, but I'm afraid there might be more of them
[15:28] <seb128> yeah, that was my issue as well
[15:28] <seb128> we clearly have such bugs
[15:28] <seb128> like I just listed a few ones that annoyed me
[15:28] <seb128> but I'm sure there are more
[15:28] <seb128> and since we didn't have action on those it's clearly something we didn't actively look at resolving
[15:31] <seb128> ok, another one
[15:31] <Laney> Actually I would support doing it before release if we actually fix ones we find
[15:32] <seb128> - software-properties, do a change, close it, the dialog to tell you to refresh the apt database
[15:32] <Laney> Refusing to fix easily resolvable bugs makes me kind of sad
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, I can't justify fixing those being higher priority that e.g touch rtm work
[15:32] <seb128> but if we have people who have nothing to do that is higher priority and want to do that, sure
[15:33] <larsu> seb128: let's start by making bugs to track that we need to do this?
[15:33] <larsu> that's better than just adding the workround
[15:33] <seb128> you want me to open bugs about each case and tag them?
[15:35] <seb128> Laney, well, it's not "refusing to fix bugs", it's just that adding back the hack to gtk doesn't create any issue and bring us to the same user visible state with less work
[15:35] <seb128> we are going to get those fixes over time with updates and sync from Debian
[15:35] <seb128> then we can drop the workaround and we overall spend less time on the issue to get at the same result
[15:36] <seb128> being proactive in backporting individual fixes to utopic doesn't give us any advantage
[16:51]  * willcooke going for some food
[18:12]  * willcooke -> EOD - g'night
[21:08] <robert_ancell> mterry, Do you happen to know what might be being updated for a user every 300s on the phone? bug 1376357
[21:10] <willcooke> qengho, still about?
[21:10] <qengho> willcooke: yep1
[21:10] <qengho> Only 1700 here.
[21:11] <willcooke> I know you like to start at like 0400 :)
[21:11] <qengho> Some days. Not today.
[21:11] <qengho> What's up?
[21:11] <willcooke> could you do me a favour and check and reply to my email before EOD
[21:11] <willcooke> I need your blessing before tomorrow my time
[21:12] <willcooke> sure it's already on your list, but just want to make sure that tomorrow is smooth :)
[21:13] <willcooke> also want to make sure you can access the gdoc
[21:13] <qengho> willcooke: looks good to me.
[21:13] <willcooke> qengho, sweet!  thanks man!
[21:13]  * willcooke goes back to work on more important things
[21:13] <willcooke> http://www.harbourbrewing.com/product/-india-pale-ale.php
[21:19] <willcooke> g'night


[09:08] <nigelb> tsimpson: ping
[09:08] <tsimpson> nigelb: hey
[09:09] <nigelb> Hey, bot devel want to talk about stuff at UDW?
[09:09] <nigelb> Probably a nice way to present the tasks that the IRC needs help on and teach a bit about supybot and how plugins are written :)
[09:11] <tsimpson> umm, I guess I could do that
[09:11] <nigelb> \o/
[09:11] <nigelb> tsimpson: pick a slot and give me a title :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[09:11] <tsimpson> "public speaking" is not one of my strong points, but...
[09:11] <nigelb> public IRC-ing might....
[09:12] <tsimpson> same difference in my twisted little mind ;)
[09:12] <nigelb> hehe
[09:14] <nigelb> tsimpson: what do you want to title the session as? 'IRC bots and you' ? ;)
[09:15] <tsimpson> heh, I'm not sure
[09:15] <tsimpson> "IRC bots and why I hate them" ;)
[09:15] <nigelb> Aha!
[09:16] <nigelb> tsimpson: which day and time combination you want to do it?
[09:17] <tsimpson> I'm thinking maybe the free slot on the 2nd
[09:17] <tsimpson> and maybe just "IRC bots development" as the name
[09:18] <nigelb> lol
[09:18] <nigelb> keep it creative that's fine :p
[09:18] <tsimpson> well it is developer week :)
[09:19] <nigelb> hehe
[09:23] <topyli> tsimpson: 'irc bots: the end of the world as we know it'
[09:26] <nigelb> lol
[09:26] <nigelb> topyli++
[09:27] <avelldiroll> "How I Learned to Stop Worrying on IRC and Love the Bot"
[09:27] <nigelb> "Confessions of an IRC bot"
[09:27] <DJones> "Skynet - The beginning"
[09:28] <nigelb> DJones: that one wins ;)
[09:28] <tsimpson> "How supybot killed my mind"
[09:28] <nigelb> oooh
[09:28] <nigelb> I'm going witht aht one
[09:36] <jussi> Supybot: The devil in disguise
[14:31] <rokyronnie> hi there
[14:35] <DJones> Hi rokyronnie
[14:36] <rokyronnie> can you help me with something ? :D
[14:37] <serfus> rokyronnie, if it's ubuntu support you are looking for, you better try at #ubuntu
[14:37] <DJones> It'll depend what it is, ask anyway, if people can't help, you should get pointed in teh right direction anyway
[14:38] <rokyronnie> yes, it's ubuntu, all I want to know, is how can I add 2 NTFS partitions to be automatcly mounted at start up
[14:38] <serfus> rokyronnie, ask that question in #ubuntu
[14:38] <rokyronnie> ok, thank you very much :)
[14:38] <serfus> np :)
[14:39] <rokyronnie> omg, there are a lot of peoples :D, thx
[14:40] <serfus> rokyronnie, yes there is, you can try at #ubuntu-beginners as well, it's less crowded but less chances that someone will answer you
[14:58] <m4v> tsimpson: hahaha
[16:05] <hobgoblin> is there anyone in here can remove ubuntu cloaks?
[16:07] <Pici> hobgoblin: Generally for removal you don't need a Group Contact's permission.
[16:08] <hobgoblin> how do you do it then? go to #freenode and get an unaffiliated one?
[16:08] <Pici> Yep.
[16:08] <Pici> Any particular reason though?
[16:09] <hobgoblin> I'm removing all ubuntu things from my life ...
[16:09] <hobgoblin> thanks Pici
[16:09] <gpc> why so?
[16:09] <hobgoblin> because I want to
[16:09] <Pici> er, okay.
[16:09] <gpc> That is fine.
[16:09] <gpc> Don't need to be a tool about it
[16:40] <nigelb> Pici: ping
[16:40] <Pici> nigelb: Whats up?
[16:41] <nigelb> PM? :)
[16:41] <Pici> nigelb: sure, anytime.
[22:55] <Flannel> well, "Kolab" is a server that supports that, and other groupware type things, but those are the useful ones!
[22:55]  * rww moves Flannel right about five windows
[22:55] <Flannel> rww: Or to the right one!
[22:57] <DiamondTap> how do you handle member suicides?
[22:57] <DiamondTap> do you keep quiet about it?
[22:58] <rww> DiamondTap: That's offtopic for this channel.


[04:10] <Baybal> fd
[08:06] <tmzt> can somebody tell me what the dropped patches to xorg-xserver are, specifially 111_armel-drv-fallbacks.patch, are
[08:22] <hrw> hi people
[08:26] <robclark> gm hrw
[08:29] <Baybal> hi
[08:30] <lag> Morning
[08:30] <Baybal> evening
[08:49] <tmzt> ok, found it, it seems to be related to dove
[08:49] <JamesWstubbs> Hello
[08:51] <JamesWstubbs> Looking for some advice if that's ok, basically I'm using a Karmic rootfs and need to update xorg to it's latest version. I've tried adding Debian squeeze repo's and installing xorg, but I had too many dependency errors, I'd fix one and be presented with another. Anyone got any ideas of how to update xorg to the latest version on Ubuntu 9.10 on armv6?
[08:52] <lag> Sounds more like a Ubuntu issue, rather than an Arm specific one
[08:52] <JamesWstubbs> It's arm specific because I can't upgrade to lucid.
[08:52] <JamesWstubbs> Also I can imagine I'll be dealing with arm repo'
[08:52] <JamesWstubbs> s
[08:53] <lag> ogra: --^
[08:53] <ogra> there is no easy solution
[08:53] <JamesWstubbs> Lucid requires armv7 I'm using armv6
[08:53] <tmzt> lag: backports for armv6vfp don't exist for current packages
[08:53] <tmzt> I've had this same issue and have found no solution
[08:53] <JamesWstubbs> It being hard won't be a problem, I've been working on with this for a while already
[08:54] <ogra> either recompile the debian packages or recompile the lucid packages and pray that you can get all deps and build-deps right
[08:54] <lag> Or upgrade to a supported board?
[08:54] <ogra> right
[08:54] <JamesWstubbs> What if I don't need all of xorg, I only actually need xserver-xorg-input-synaptic to be upgraded
[08:55] <JamesWstubbs> lag: It's for the iPhone, I can't upgrade for another year :)
[08:55]  * lag <- Is impressed :)
[08:55] <ogra> well, try to rebuild xserver-xorg-input-synaptic from the lucid source package, though i would assume there are versioned dependencies you need to backport as well
[08:56] <ogra> are you 100% sure the synaptics driver will work on the iphone HW ?
[08:56] <ogra> did you try something like tslib ?
[08:58] <JamesWstubbs> ogra: It's interesting, someone called ikex created a debian port but never released, from the few notes he left his xorg worked out of the box with the touchscreen. After checking my xorg logs I see that the touchscreen hardware is loaded, it then tries to load the synaptics module, but then reports it can't find a suported touchpad, I checked the squeeze armel repo and it uses 1.2.2 where as Ubuntu karmic repo uses 1.1.2, I'm making the assumption m
[08:58] <JamesWstubbs> ogra: I've tried tslib, lib-ts, evtouch and mutouch
[08:58] <JamesWstubbs> Will xorg.conf's written by hand
[08:58] <JamesWstubbs> I've had no luck.
[08:58] <JamesWstubbs> With*
[09:00] <JamesWstubbs> Also, did you write rootstock ogra, if so I'd like to credit you when I release.
[09:01] <ogra> i wrote it, rsalveti is maintining it now
[09:02] <JamesWstubbs> Thanks, I've written his name down
[09:18] <JamesWstubbs> lag: I don
[09:18] <JamesWstubbs> 't want to spam this channel, you might be interested in this, ixproject.org
[09:18] <lag> JamesWstubbs: I've seen it
[09:18] <JamesWstubbs> Ah
[09:18] <lag> JamesWstubbs: We've spoken before
[09:19] <JamesWstubbs> Sorry, probably hasn't been progress since :)
[09:19] <JamesWstubbs> I'm going, going to try compile from source, see what that does.
[09:24]  * XorA still wishes ubuntu was multi arch on arm
[09:25] <ogra> we'll be muli omap at least at some point :)
[09:25] <hrw> XorA: multiarch...
[09:25]  * XorA has some nice armv5te hardware
[09:25] <ogra> use linaro on that :)
[09:26] <XorA> hehe
[10:03] <hrw> XorA: multiarch is not about armv5/6/7/4 etc
[10:03] <hrw> from what I understood
[10:07] <ukleinek> there are two similar problems on ARM.  One is using different generations in a single image (like armv5 vs. armv6)
[10:08] <ukleinek> the other is about compiling omap and imx in a single image
[10:08] <ogra> shudder
[10:08] <XorA> hehe
[10:09]  * XorA would just love to be able to standardise on one distro
[10:09] <ogra> linaro is working on that
[10:09] <ogra> might take some years though
[10:10] <ogra> NCommander, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/1.142/+build/1886888 bump please
[10:56] <ogra> robclark, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624082 and bug 569273
[10:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 569273 in indicator-application (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 6 other projects) "memory leak in gnome-power-manager on lucid (affects: 39) (dups: 1) (heat: 237)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569273
[10:56] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 624082 in gnome-power-manager "GPM memory leak on amd64" [Major,Resolved: notabug]
[11:26] <ogra> NCommander, chroot probs, i gave back livecd-rootfs, can you bump https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/1.142/+build/1886888 gain ?
[11:26] <ogra> *again
[11:44] <rsalveti> robclark: just fbset -i should show you more information
[11:44] <rsalveti> robclark: just install the fbset package
[12:05] <rsalveti> dyfet: fuseext2 -o ro,direct_io
[12:05] <dyfet> ah...
[13:21] <lool> ogra, NCommander: ping
[13:21] <NCommander> lool: contentless pong detected.
[13:21] <lool> ogra, NCommander: I'd like to requeue packages which didn't build due to qt4-x11 being broken
[13:21] <lool> NCommander: Eh I was still typing!
[13:21] <NCommander> lool: already started doing so
[13:22] <lool> NCommander: So you're taking care of it?
[13:22] <NCommander> lool: I'm waiting for qtwebkit-source to finish building so I can start retrying the KDE stack
[13:22] <armin76> NCommander: ping
[13:22] <NCommander> lool: yup
[13:22] <NCommander> armin76: yet another contentless ping detected
[13:22] <armin76> NCommander: ping!
[13:22] <NCommander> YACPD :-P
[13:22] <armin76> unping :P
[13:22] <lool> NCommander: how many FTBFSing packages are involved with qt4-x11 in your estimates?
[13:22] <NCommander> lool: a lot :-/
[13:23] <NCommander> ~10-15 in main, and a bunch more in universe
[13:23] <armin76> lool: hows qt-x11 broken?
[13:23] <NCommander> armin76: compiler ICEs, thus resolved
[13:23] <lool> armin76: gcc-4.4 was borken and couldn't build qt4-x11 anymore
[13:23] <lool> NCommander: Sounds like a good win to have the qt4-x11 stack on armel!
[13:24] <armin76> lool: have bug no?
[13:24] <NCommander> lool: I still need to unbreak kdebindings since upstream broke my code
[13:27] <lool> armin76: maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.4/+bug/603602
[13:27] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 603602 in gcc-4.4 (Ubuntu) "ICE building qt4-x11 on armel (affects: 1) (heat: 529)" [High,Confirmed]
[13:27] <lool> Yes that's the one
[13:30] <lool> NCommander: Hmm apparently you filed a duplicate
[13:30] <XorA> NCommander: your who I think you are right, across the table from me?
[13:38] <rsalveti> mpoirier_: http://rsalveti.net/tmp/beagleboard.tar.bz2
[13:38] <rsalveti> mpoirier_: have fun and let me know if you find the issue
[13:38] <mpoirier_> rsalveti: cool thanks.
[13:39] <rsalveti> np
[13:44] <rsalveti> dyfet: I'd suggest you to do some testing on the fuseext2 stuff while creating the documentation for it
[13:44] <rsalveti> dyfet: what you can do is to get some rootfs like and mount it, try to read from it (creating tarballs), checking the size of the tarball
[13:45] <dyfet> I did at the time...but not on very large file sets
[13:45] <rsalveti> also, try to write something, edit a config file, something that a normal user would do
[13:45] <rsalveti> and see if it works
[13:45] <rsalveti> dyfet: yep, stressing it would be a good thing to do
[13:45] <dyfet> I will try what you did to stress it, yes...
[13:46] <rsalveti> nice
[14:40] <GrueMaster> http://www.asylum.com/2010/07/22/its-the-worlds-strongest-most-expensive-beer-inside-a-squi/
[15:17] <ogra> NCommander, and another bump please, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-ti-omap4/<IP_ADDRESS>2.3/+build/1887035
[16:18] <lag> ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/468042/


[02:32] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: https://gist.github.com/buggtb/6cfa67a2ae9c0c97321cae86ca73da6c whats the current work around for that?
[02:36] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: that looks remis of an old version of the api-lb
[02:36] <magicaltrout> yeah i updated it
[02:36] <magicaltrout> that has indeed gone
[02:37] <magicaltrout> instead i get Error from server: error dialing backend: dial tcp: lookup k8s-workers-1 on <IP_ADDRESS>:53: no such host
[02:38] <lazyPower> that looks like the dns pod is dead
[02:38] <lazyPower> this is a fun suite of errors
[02:39] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: are you getting both errors, or one successively after the other? or has the error changed?
[02:39] <magicaltrout> it changed now to just the above
[02:39] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: kubectl get svc --all-namespaces  --- is that the VIP of your DNS service?
[02:49] <magicaltrout> my own in house dns lazyPower ?
[02:49] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: kubernetes runs a kubedns pod in the kube-system namespace that provides cluster level dns
[02:49] <magicaltrout> ah
[02:49] <lazyPower> port 53 is the dns port, i presume it was querying kube-dns, or it may be trying to resolve the hostname for k8s-workers-1. Depends entirely on where the error is being emitted from
[02:52] <magicaltrout> i dunno where that ip address subnet comes from lazyPower
[02:52] <magicaltrout> its on openstack and some public ip's are in <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[02:53] <magicaltrout> so I guess there is probably some 10.105 ip addresses as well
[02:53] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: thats not promising... there is a VIP range declared by kubernetes when you deploy it as cluster-cidr. it defaults to a /16
[02:53] <lazyPower> its quite possible that address range is what was picked for the vip of those services.
[06:50] <fengxia41103> Hi Juju, I need to create a CentOS node. What's the quickest way?
[06:51] <fengxia41103> I have tried MAAS and using add-machine to add a CentOS, failed at "no tools found"
[07:20] <kjackal> Good morning Juju world!
[08:39] <jujulearn> anyone with openstack-base experience?
[08:39] <erik_lonroth_> Hmm. When I'm running "juju status", the command is not returning but gets stuck in a blocking state. I've recently changed the IP address of the server so I guess this might have something to do with it? How can I debug this?
[08:40] <jujulearn> How long was the wait
[08:41] <erik_lonroth_> its still blocking
[08:41] <erik_lonroth_> about 3-4 minutes how
[08:41] <erik_lonroth_> now*
[08:43] <jujulearn> are u able to see some output with juju show-machine 0
[08:43] <erik_lonroth_> I think I'll reboot. I've changed the network so I think perhaps lxc/lxd even has something to do with it.
[08:44] <jujulearn> the above command will tell you if you lxd have any issues.
[08:44] <erik_lonroth_> OK, I'll try once the machine comes back up in a few
[08:47] <erik_lonroth_> https://pastebin.com/Cv20bZRN
[08:47] <erik_lonroth_> It seems its still messed up
[08:47] <erik_lonroth_> Oh, no
[08:47] <erik_lonroth_> Now it started to work again. I think I might have been to fast
[08:48] <jujulearn> good
[08:48] <jujulearn> are u using openstack-base?
[08:49] <erik_lonroth_> No I don't think so. I'm not sure what it is.
[08:51] <erik_lonroth_> Is there any way for juju to update the ipaddresses listed in the "juju status" command. I've changed the ipv6 address scheme and even though the machines has picked up the new IPv6, "juju status" still shows the wrong ipv6 address.
[08:53] <jujulearn> whats the output of juju subnets
[08:57] <erik_lonroth_> "No subnets to display"
[09:25] <erik_lonroth_> I filed a bug for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1691977
[09:25] <mup> Bug #1691977: ipv6 addresses not updated after changed ipv6 subnet <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1691977>
[09:36] <dakj__> jamespage: hi james....have a look here https://paste.ubuntu.com/24603858/
[09:37] <jamespage> dakj__: well that looks much better
[09:38] <jamespage> what did you change?
[09:56] <dakj__> jamespage: my desire now?  It's to "kill" a my colleague :-), when I saw he wrong to make the port channel between IBM host (Esx) and the Cisco switch my face is became red, fortunately it's a lab and not in production... so anyway now I want to remake also the deploy of landscape. But why the ceph-osd/21, /22 and 23 are in blocked....
[09:57] <jamespage> dakj__: osd-devices configuration is incorrect
[09:57] <jamespage> dakj__: what's the block device name for the second disk in each of those servers?
[09:57] <dakj__> jamespage: just a second check that
[10:00] <dakj__> jamespage: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24603952/ while on juju guy it's /dev/vdb
[10:00] <jamespage> dakj__: juju config ceph-osd osd-devices=/dev/sdb
[10:02] <dakj__> jamespage: https://pasteboard.co/86NyS1g5U.png
[10:03] <jamespage> well change that to /dev/sdb
[10:03] <jamespage> cli or gui does the same thing
[10:12] <dakj__>  jamespage: do I must to remake all deploy or it's only necessary to change that via gui and save, and it goes in unlock automatically?
[10:13] <jamespage> dakj__: it should take effect without redeployment
[10:13] <jamespage> 'config-changed' hook will fire, detect the configured disk on each unit and bootstrap it into the ceph cluster
[10:13] <dakj__> jamespage: I try that immediately
[10:16] <dakj__> jamespage: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24604142/
[10:17] <jamespage> dakj__: so it sounds like my hypothesis "this smells like a network problem"  was right?
[10:18] <jamespage> dakj__: btw I'd highly recommend you move to using juju 2.1.2
[10:18] <dakj__> jamespage: I'm so happy :-) :-) thanks a lot for your support next steps landscape, and install ubuntu with lxd on IBM system x3650 M4
[10:18] <jamespage> dakj__: can I ask a favour in return - can you put together some basic docs on how you deployed the bundle on vSphere?
[10:19] <dakj__> jamespage: you had right.....I could believe when I see the port channel wronged
[10:19] <jamespage> could be a google doc or a github gist
[10:19] <dakj__> jamespage: sure, explain how do I make that
[10:19] <jamespage> +10
[10:19] <jamespage> please
[10:20] <jamespage> dakj__: I'd also be interested to see if you can actually start instances with kvm nested inside esx
[10:20]  * jamespage does not currently have access to a vsphere cluster
[10:27] <dakj__> jamespage:  do you know the credentials to make the login in openstack?
[10:28] <jamespage> dakj__: all in the README for the bundle
[10:32] <dakj__> jamespage: are you sure? because on README I don't find any about that
[10:36] <jamespage> dakj__: ah its in the novarc
[10:36] <jamespage> https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v5/openstack-base/archive/novarc
[10:36] <jamespage> dakj__: admin/openstack
[11:04] <dakj__> jamespage: https://pasteboard.co/87R6JDR7O.png
[11:05] <jamespage> dakj__: I'm guessing you did not change the admin-password option in the bundle?
[11:35] <dakj__> jamespage: no I didn't it :-( Where can I see that? And where do I must make it....
[11:37] <jamespage> dakj__: no that username and password shoudl work ok - can you check things from the CLI please? The README has lots on cli usage
[11:44] <dakj__> Jamespage: is it fine this link https://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/cli-manage-projects-users-and-roles.html?
[11:46] <dakj__> jamespage: if I change the value in admin-password in Keystone could it work?
[13:04] <dakj__> jamespage: I'm remaking the deploy of that, the password has to set in keystone? Because there is already present "open stack" https://pasteboard.co/89TVK2USz.png
[13:04] <jamespage> dakj__: yes that's what I'm saying - the default username and password is admin/openstack
[13:05] <jamespage> dakj__: I don't know why that's not working in the dashboard - if you look at the README in the bundle, it shows you some basic cli usage for openstack - please check that first
[13:05] <dakj__> jamespage: last time after the deploy it was None....
[13:06] <jamespage> what was none?
[13:06] <dakj__> jamespage: sorry, the value in Admin-password was "None"
[13:07] <jamespage> not sure why - that value comes directly from the bundle you used
[13:08] <dakj__> jamespage: now I've changed that and run the deploy again, after that I'll check it.
[13:09] <dakj__> Jamespage: waiting that, the issue with HAproxy is not changed (https://askubuntu.com/questions/906763/haproxy-reverseproxy-relation-changed-for-landscape-serverwebsite) do you know something about that?
[13:10] <jamespage> dakj__: sorry - I'd have to defer to someone who knows the landscape charms
[13:20] <dakj__> jamespage: ok, I've to thanks you for all your time dedicated to me and my lab :-).  At moment this issue can wait!!!!!!
[13:25] <erik_lonroth_> Anyway I can remove a model where I still have machines left in the list which are no longer within lxc/lxd ? I removed then forcefully to start over with the model, but now I can get rid of the model at all. Tried: "juju remove-machine 1 --force" without luck...
[13:26] <erik_lonroth_> I did "lxc delete <machine>" previously, hence the machines are no longer available.
[13:26] <erik_lonroth_> ... but I want to get rid of the model from juju
[13:31] <rick_h> erik_lonroth_: hmm, not sure about that one. We have a way to kill the controllers but just a model that's been tampered with behind the scenes I'm not sure.
[13:31] <rick_h> erik_lonroth_: migth have to hit the juju list and see what the devs think (though they're mostly out for the weekend at this point)
[13:32] <erik_lonroth_> ok thanx
[13:44] <dakj__> jamespage: now it's prefect. We need to change that before to make the deploy https://pasteboard.co/8aAkNISbV.png
[13:46] <jamespage> dakj__: correct - you can't change it afterwards (at the moment at least)
[13:48] <jujulearn_> Any compatibility issues maas 2.1.5 and juju-2.1.2 ?
[13:54] <dakj__> jujulearn: I'm using that, MAAS version 2.1.5 and JUJU version 2.1.2-xenial-amd64 and at moment any issue...
[13:57] <dakj__> jamespage: ok let me organise about that documentation and I'll give you that soon. Now I can only say thanks a lot for your support. Next steps are to solve the issue with landscape and replace esx with ubuntu lxd on that IBM host.
[13:59] <dakj__> jamespage: let's keep in touch here
[13:59] <dakj__> let's keep in touch
[13:59] <dakj__> let's keep in touch
[14:02] <dakj__> jamespage: but is there a way to organise in juju gui the location of applications? https://pasteboard.co/8aTf5bV5Z.png
[14:03] <rick_h> dakj__: if you move them it should update their locations as annotations in the juju db and remember them next time
[14:10] <dakj__> rick_h: ok thanks I thought that in automatic juju makes that.
[14:11] <dakj__> rick_h: have you had any experiences with the deploy of landscape dense-Maas?
[14:15] <rick_h> dakj__: sorry, nothing I can add to the askubuntu question
[14:15] <dakj__> rick_h: thanks, I've already done that, but never answer.
[14:16] <dakj__> rick_h: the issue is with HAproxy and the post is that https://askubuntu.com/questions/906763/haproxy-reverseproxy-relation-changed-for-landscape-serverwebsite
[14:16] <rick_h> dakj__: I'll see if I can ping someone to look at it
[14:18] <dakj__> rick_h: thanks a lot. It'd be a great favour. Because I looking for any post or fix about that or someone that to deploy the bundle.
[16:33] <Zic> hmm, I have a strange bug with Juju GUI (used locally, without JAAS), it keeps trying to open the authentification page of Ubuntu One to log me in, but I don't need it since I'm running it fully on baremetal / auto-hosted Juju
[16:33] <Zic> is this normal?
[16:35] <hatch> Hi Zic  I understand you're having an issue trying to log in to the GUI
[16:36] <hatch> when you open the GUI, you're visiting the link form the `juju gui` command output?
[16:37] <Zic> nop, I can correctly log into the juju GUI, actually I am already seeing the GUI, but randomly, when I click to configure unit, it tries to open a popup window with Ubuntu One authentification
[16:37] <Zic> I think it's useful for JAAS
[16:37] <Zic> but not for a local/private Juju
[16:37] <Zic> I just close the auth window to Ubuntu One and continue to use Juju GUI normally after, but sometime it re-open...
[16:38] <hatch> ohh interesting
[16:38] <hatch> Zic can you check the GUI version by hitting Shift+?
[16:38] <hatch> it'll be in the bottom left of that window
[16:39] <Zic> the requested action from ubuntu One account is " Juju Charms API log in with Ubuntu One "
[16:39] <hatch> are you using private charms from the charmstore?
[16:39] <Zic> nop, just canonical-kubernetes
[16:40] <Zic> Shift+ does not do anything :(
[16:40] <Zic> oh, oops, Shift+?, sorry, I'm trying again
[16:40] <Zic> 2.6.0
[16:41] <hatch> alright thanks, I'mjust trying to narrow it down
[16:41] <hatch> one more question, is this on MAAS?
[16:42] <Zic> nop, manual provisionning
[16:42] <hatch> ok sorry one more :)
[16:42] <hatch> does ithappen at a usual interval?
[16:42] <Zic> (as we have our own MaaS-like that is not connected to Juju but to all of our internal tools :/ I will gladly embrace MaaS otherway)
[16:43] <hatch> sure, no problem
[16:43] <Zic> hatch: it seems that it happens when I do this path for example : click on easyrsa charm, Units, scale, then "back, back back" and sometime it open up at this stage
[16:44] <Zic> ah better than this example
[16:44] <Zic> this one is always reproductible:
[16:44] <Zic> click on kube-api-loadbalancer
[16:45] <Zic> (to configure it)
[16:45] <Zic> it always open Ubuntu One popup
[16:46] <hatch> thanks a lot Zic we'll look into this
[16:48] <Zic> a totally different question/problem: can I deploy and old revision of charms (or a charm-bundle, if it deploys old charms with it) through the Juju GUI?
[16:48] <Zic> maybe I'm wrong but I saw this option on old Juju GUI version
[16:49] <Zic> I don't find it in the 2.6.0 :s
[16:49] <Zic> (I need to deploy an old CDK bundle to test the upgrade)
[16:49] <Zic> the one with .deb/1.5.3 of Kubernetes
[16:49] <Zic> cc @ lazyPower
[16:49] <hatch> Zic here is the issue I created to track this https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/issues/2922
[16:50] <Zic> thanks a lot hatch
[16:50] <hatch> Zic you can get to old versions of a bundle by specifying it in the url https://jujucharms.com/canonical-kubernetes/37
[16:50] <hatch> the last version
[16:50] <hatch> for example
[16:51] <Zic> does a old charm-bundle deployed its old-charm with it?
[16:51] <Zic> (it seems logic actually but... just to be sure)
[16:52] <hatch> Zic depends on the bundle - if the bundle defines the expicit version then yes
[16:52] <hatch> if it doesn't then it'll deploy the latest
[16:52] <Zic> it's about canonical-kubernetes
[16:52] <hatch> Zic you can also download the bundle.yaml then modify it and import it into the GUI to deploy
[16:52] <Zic> hmm, it's a good idea
[16:53] <Zic> I will export through the old GUI of my production cluster the bundle.yaml
[16:53] <Zic> and then load it into the new Juju with Import
[16:53] <hatch> yep you can definitely do that
[16:53] <hatch> Zic would you be able to check one more thing around this login popup bug?
[16:54] <Zic> yup
[16:54] <hatch> after opening the browser console ctrl+alt+i and switching to the Network tab, perform the action which causes the popup to open
[16:54] <hatch> and then paste the output into that github issue
[16:55] <hatch> seeing the network requests will help us narrow down the issue
[17:00] <Zic> hatch: do you want a screenshot or an export ?
[17:00] <Zic> because I can't see any option ton export as text :(
[17:01] <hatch> Zic screenshot should be fine, thanks a lot!
[17:03] <Zic> hatch: added
[17:04] <hatch> ahah!
[17:04] <hatch> thanks Zic we'll get this resolved
[17:04] <Zic> (for info, it's not really https://localhost:8080/, it's an SSH tunneling to the Juju GUI pointing to juju:17070 :)
[17:04] <hatch> yeah that's fine, I can actually see the problem already :)
[17:05] <hatch> we'll try and get this fix into the next release
[17:05] <Zic> thanks :)
[18:47] <hetfield> hi all, i have issues with ceph deployed with juju
[18:48] <hetfield> when i try to issue any rbd/rados command it asks for key as it's not in default patch, when i pass the proper key it gives me auth failures
[18:49] <hetfield> but it's very strange as openstack plat works, it happens when i log in a unit and issue commands as root
[19:45] <hetfield> no one?
[19:52] <zeestrat> hetfield: You checked in #openstack-charms ?
[19:53] <hetfield> no :)


[02:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:46] <marcoagpinto> Olá!!!
[06:32] <ducasse> hi folks, happy easter!
[12:48] <FamiliarAlien> Hello, for the last two days I have been trying to intentionally segfault / panic my kernel. Is anyone here somewhat familiar with how drivers in linux work?
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> wich kernel on wich ubuntu release FamiliarAlien
[12:51] <FamiliarAlien> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS with kernel sources at 5.4.0
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> that would be a valid question to post in #ubuntu FamiliarAlien
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> well not the discussing drivers part
[12:53] <ravage> intentionally segfaulting your kernel does not sound like a valid support querstion either
[12:53] <FamiliarAlien> I should describe what I actually want to achieve. I want to modify a kernel driver (preferably as a module) in such a way that it segfault when used.
[12:54] <FamiliarAlien> If this does not fit here I am sorry. The channel was described as non-support discussion.
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> here's the discuss channel, we can talk about ubuntu
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> any reason why you want to trigger a segfault FamiliarAlien ?
[13:07] <FamiliarAlien> lotuspsychje  Yes. I wrote a programm that spawns VMs to do some work in an isolated environment. I want to simulate some kind of kernel bug
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> to test what exactly?
[13:10] <FamiliarAlien> How my software behaves when one of the VMs crash.
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> that shounds like a reverse way of thinking
[21:43] <Jeremy31> Is the login to wiki.ubuntu.com still broken?
[21:51] <oerheks> somthing happened for 2 minutes.. https://status.canonical.com/ and https://status.snapcraft.io/
[21:51] <oerheks> Jeremy31
[21:55] <Jeremy31> I guess it still isn't working as Bashing-om hasn't updated UWN
[22:08] <tomreyn> he posted about it in #canonical-sysadmin, but this may actually be more of a https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider topic


[00:57] <Roey> hi
[00:57] <Roey> for some reason, my TV no longer shows up under nviida-settings... anyone have a similar issue?
[01:55] <austin6598> is there a X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay= alternative for KDE?
[07:59] <regedit_> hello where can i find/recover lost notes from the "Stcky Notes" desktop widget?
[08:09] <regedit_> found it in /home/regedit/.local/share/plasma_notes/
[08:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:04] <sick_rimmit> BluesKaj: Hiya
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Hi sick_rimmit
[11:05]  * sick_rimmit waves
[11:05] <sick_rimmit> How are you doing today ?
[11:05] <lordievader> Hey sick_rimmit
[11:07] <BluesKaj> I'm fine sick_rimmit , how about you ?
[11:12] <sick_rimmit> lordievader: Hello my friend
[11:12] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[11:12] <sick_rimmit> I am good today, happy I finished the Kubuntu Podcast editing yesterday..
[11:13] <sick_rimmit> I think we've made a good start
[11:13] <sick_rimmit> :-)
[11:13] <sick_rimmit> Sprint Planning day at work today, so Bug Triage, and lots of admin ;-(
[12:43] <txeriff> hi all
[12:43] <txeriff> can some1 help me with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2283487
[12:43] <txeriff> its about ralink and kubuntu
[13:00] <JunkHunk> hello I am trying to dual boot windows10 kubuntu14.04 the computer has two hdd and there is no cd/dvd so I tried to install windows10 from a bootable usb drive I tried two programs to get this bootable drive: unetbootin and winboot both made valids bootable installers with the iso
[13:00] <JunkHunk> kubuntu is installed in one of the hdd
[13:01] <JunkHunk> and I had a cracked windows 7 system on the other
[13:01] <JunkHunk> both were working but I wanted to get rid of the cracked windows 7 and install the windows 10 insider instead...so
[13:01] <JunkHunk> I deleted it all from the partition table
[13:02] <JunkHunk> both the win7 partition and the filesystem one
[13:02] <JunkHunk> and now the installer is unable to create or find a valid partition :-(
[13:03] <JunkHunk> *I deleted only windows hdd
[13:03] <JunkHunk> kubuntu still working even grub
[13:03] <lordievader> JunkHunk: There are two drives? (Marked sda and sdb?)
[13:03] <JunkHunk> yes
[13:03] <JunkHunk> two drives
[13:03] <JunkHunk> one for kubuntu the other for windows
[13:04] <JunkHunk> I only deleted windows drive
[13:04] <lordievader> JunkHunk: Could you run 'sudo parted /dev/sdX print' where X is a and b. And pastebin the output?
[13:04] <JunkHunk> but that drive had also a tiny 100 mb filesystem partition which I think was needed
[13:05] <lordievader> That is the Windows system partition.
[13:06] <lordievader> Never really knew what it did.
[13:06] <JunkHunk> indeed I was given the option to keep the old windows7 and install windows 10 but I really wanted to get rid of windows 7 so...I deleted it...
[13:06] <JunkHunk> the installer said it would keep it in a folder called old_windows
[13:06] <JunkHunk> but I decided to quit and delete partitions
[13:06] <JunkHunk> my bad
[13:06] <JunkHunk> now it doesnt even detect it
[13:07] <lordievader> Err, so you deleted the Windows10 partition?
[13:07] <JunkHunk> no no
[13:07] <JunkHunk> hehe
[13:07] <JunkHunk> I had a win7
[13:08] <JunkHunk> but it was downloaded from the internet...and cracked
[13:08] <JunkHunk> I didnt want to keep it
[13:08] <lordievader> Did you upgrade the Windows 7 to Windows 10?
[13:08] <JunkHunk> no that was the given option
[13:08] <JunkHunk> I didnt follow
[13:09] <JunkHunk> I deleted the win7 partition and formated it
[13:09] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, reformat the former windows partition to NTFS , then make sure it's first HDD in the BIOS  boot sequence
[13:10] <JunkHunk> okay
[13:10] <JunkHunk> and then usb boot?
[13:11] <JunkHunk> with the installer?
[13:11] <JunkHunk> how to list partitions?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> usb first then the ntfs hdd
[13:12] <JunkHunk> GNU Parted 2.3
[13:12] <JunkHunk> Usando /dev/sdb1
[13:12] <JunkHunk> ¡Bienvenido/a a GNU Parted! Teclee «help» para ver la lista de órdenes.
[13:12] <JunkHunk>                                                                          (parted)
[13:13] <JunkHunk> that is what I get when sudo parted /dev/sdb1
[13:14] <JunkHunk> I ll try putting it the first in the bios seq
[13:14] <JunkHunk> it is already formated I did with console in the installer options
[13:14] <BluesKaj> boot sequence in bios/uefi
[13:27] <JunkHunk> it says there is a media driver needed
[13:27] <JunkHunk> but I dont believe it
[13:27] <JunkHunk> I think it is because I am trying to install from usb drive
[13:28] <JunkHunk> it says media driver and that it could be dvd, usb or hhdd...
[13:29] <hateball> !windows
[13:29] <JunkHunk> thanks
[13:43] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, have you done this ? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/windows-usb-dvd-download-tool
[14:00] <BluesKaj> hey regedit
[14:15] <regedit> heya BluesKaj
[15:05] <skomorokh> Is there a privacy settings or similar dialog in kubuntu?
[15:05] <skomorokh> My computer is connecting to daisy.ubuntu.com and I didn't tell it to.
[15:07] <ShalokShalom> You mean your firefox ?
[15:07] <skomorokh> Apparently it's a program called "whoopsie"
[15:07] <skomorokh> Jun 22 10:49:59 quite whoopsie[961]: [10:49:59] Cannot reach: https://daisy.ubuntu.com
[15:10] <skomorokh> That's some sort of error reporting thing.
[15:10] <skomorokh> Which was easy enough to google.
[15:10] <skomorokh> But I'm looking for a settings panel or list someplace that includes everything like this.
[15:11] <skomorokh> I'd rather not have to pore over pcaps and audit the whole system---I do vaguely trust canonical so I'd be fine if there was just a place that listed these things, figured there might be a control panel for it?
[16:01] <Walex2> skomorokh: good luck :-)
[16:02] <Walex2> skomorokh: in 2016 Ubuntu is probably going to switch the desktop released to be the same as the Ubuntu Phone, with apps, apps store, and app permission profiles.
[16:04] <skomorokh> Walex2: That'd be neat... with a polished version of that sort of a system I could whitelist the few apps that I actually want to allow network access.
[16:12] <eXistenZe> good afternoon
[16:12] <Walex2> skomorokh: you can sort of do that now with AppArmor+iptables.
[16:13] <skomorokh> Walex2: super fiddly tho
[16:17] <Nexus7> Coming from Fedora KDE spin with KDE 4.x to Kubuntu with Plasma 5 -> was surprised to find taskbar icons do not scale well - bug?
[16:38] <eXistenZe> why is dropbox for linux developed for ubuntu and nautilus?
[16:44] <BluesKaj> eXistenZe, check this out, http://www.nixternal.com/kde-and-dropbox/
[16:56] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Last time I tried it Dropbox worked fine under KDE.
[18:44] <eXistenZe> nops
[18:45] <eXistenZe> the only thing that works is the srvice itself and cli lordievader BluesKaj_
[18:45] <eXistenZe> no task icon and no gui whatsoever
[18:45] <BluesKaj_> eXistenZe, yes the icon doesn't work in plasma 5
[18:46] <eXistenZe> file update/changes notifications are major important to me
[18:46] <BluesKaj_> I just bookmarked it for now until these issues are fixed
[18:52] <eXistenZe> what source are you using BluesKaj_ ? Ubuntu fedora debian or other source?
[18:52] <eXistenZe> x64 or x86?
[18:53] <BluesKaj_> eXistenZe, are you referring to dropbox ?
[18:53] <eXistenZe> yes
[18:53] <BluesKaj_> source/\
[18:53] <BluesKaj_> ?
[18:54] <eXistenZe> did you compile it yourself? Or used a .deb?
[18:57] <BluesKaj_> it's a tar.gz file that I extracted thenadded the dropboxd file from ~/.dropbox-dist to startup in system settings
[18:57] <lordievader> I don't think Dropbox will fix their icon issue anytime soon.
[18:57] <eXistenZe> whick tar.gz?
[18:58] <lordievader> eXistenZe: Source is platform independent
[19:01] <BluesKaj_> eXistenZe, https://www.dropboxforum.com/hc/communities/public/questions/203347335-Stable-Build-3-4-4
[19:20] <igor__> Hi, how can I disabled integrated graphics card?
[19:20] <ShalokShalom> remove the driver ?
[19:21] <BluesKaj_> igor__, did you install a pci graphics card ?
[19:21] <ShalokShalom> for which sense ?
[19:21] <igor__> I have HP pavillion notebook with 2 graphics card, and it's reboot with overheating
[19:22] <ShalokShalom> because of the interal gfx ?
[19:22] <ShalokShalom> sensors ?
[19:22] <ShalokShalom> just type sensors in your konsole
[19:22] <igor__> 70-90 degrees
[19:24] <igor__> I tried vgaswitcheroo, but there isn't this file
[19:24] <lordievader> igor__: Is it full of dust?
[19:24] <BluesKaj_> igor__, you have a hybrid gpu setup, intel and nvidia graphics ?
[19:25] <igor__> Yes, intel and nvidia
[19:26] <igor__> With Windows it works normal
[19:26] <BluesKaj_> igor__, install nvidia-prime, depending on your OS that might solve your problem
[19:26] <ShalokShalom> igor__: 70-90 degress on which chip please ?
[19:26] <ShalokShalom> BluesKaj_: we are here in kubuntu ;)
[19:27] <ShalokShalom> igor__: please post the output of sensors on pastebin.com
[19:27] <BluesKaj_> ShalokShalom, depends on which kubuntu
[19:27] <ShalokShalom> igor__: and send us the link then :)
[19:32] <Igor2_> http://pastebin.com/T2JXcusy
[19:34] <Igor2_> I tried install nvidia prime, but "nvidia-prime is already the newest version."
[19:34] <BluesKaj_> Igor2_, which kubuntu version are you running?
[19:35] <Igor2_> 14.04
[19:35] <BluesKaj_> ok, and you haven't upgraded to plsama 5 yet ?
[19:36] <BluesKaj_> er plasma 5
[19:38] <Igor2_> I don't now, I typed "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[19:39] <Igor2_> 0 upgraded
[19:41] <BluesKaj_> Igor2_, stay with what you have (plasma 4) because 5 is very difficult to run hybrid graphics even with nvidia-prime...you need to run a different command than apt-get update anyway for plasma5
[19:42] <BluesKaj_> but as recommended , clean your laptop, a dudt buildup could be creating the high temps
[19:42] <BluesKaj_> dust buildup
[19:43] <Igor2_> Ok
[19:43] <BluesKaj_> Igor2_, refer to your laptop users guide/manual for instructions
[19:44] <ShalokShalom> igor__: do you life with animals ?
[19:44] <Igor2_> No. With Windows it works fine, I  installed Kubuntu few hours ago
[19:45] <ShalokShalom> igor__: hnn, all your chips seems to be hot
[19:45] <ShalokShalom> if it works with windows, there is no reason to clean it
[19:46] <ShalokShalom> igor__: how young is the notebook ?
[19:46] <Igor2_> 4 years
[19:47] <ShalokShalom> ok
[19:47] <ShalokShalom> you already boot another distribution ?
[19:48] <ShalokShalom> in the most bad case, this is related to acpi
[19:48] <ShalokShalom> i have a notebook, which goes up to 60 degrees in idle, for this issue
[19:48] <Igor2_> One year ago I installed Ubuntu, it worked normal
[19:49] <ShalokShalom> ok, fine :D
[19:49] <ShalokShalom> thats good
[19:49] <ShalokShalom> so maybe a regression
[19:49] <ShalokShalom> which version ?
[19:49] <Igor2_> ubuntu?
[19:52] <Igor2_> Hmm, maybe I need to install Ubuntu and then kde?
[19:53] <ShalokShalom> no
[19:53] <ShalokShalom> yes, which version of ubuntu ?
[19:54] <Igor2_> 12
[20:02] <ShalokShalom> igor__: sorry igor, i was busy. i would recommend to boot another distro in live mode (happens it in live mode as well ?) and check it, if its a regression or something else
[20:08] <ShalokShalom> igor__: if you like the KDE stack: http://diestelkind.de/matthias/
[20:08] <ShalokShalom> check the md5
[20:12] <ShalokShalom> if you want to deactivate the nvidea chip: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics#acpi_call
[20:12] <ShalokShalom> you can also test to remove the intel gfx driver :)
[20:13] <ShalokShalom> it will start with VESA then, who knows what cause the trouble
[20:24] <Igor2_> Ok, I will try
[20:28] <Igor2_> Thanks
[20:31] <eXistenZe> dropbox and wmsystemtray are going to kill me
[21:38] <fulvioabrahao> hello
[21:40] <fulvioabrahao> anybody here?
[21:41] <ahoneybun> hey fulvioabrahao
[21:41] <fulvioabrahao> hi
[21:41] <fulvioabrahao> it is my first time using irc
[21:41] <ahoneybun> nice! welcome
[21:42] <fulvioabrahao> thanks
[21:44] <ahoneybun> fulvioabrahao: got a problem?
[22:05] <irctc137> anyone know of a good gui based backup/restore filesystem program?


[15:49] <tuga3d> hi all, not all packages appear in the software store app (ex. gimp-gmic), and i've installed some snap packages (very cool) but they dont appear when i search to launch.
[15:49] <tuga3d> how can i force gnome shell to rescan the system for packages?


[15:49] <k1l_> Hi IRCC, could you please change the access list in #ubuntu-gnome to match the freenode staff account that is meant to be? i was told that "freenode-staff" is not correct and a staffer refused to help removing a troll: (damien__ in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/31/%23ubuntu-gnome.html)
[16:17] <Fuchs> correct is *!*@/freenode/staff/*
[16:17] <Fuchs> freenode-staff is a pseudo account and something else that should be considered to be fixed


[00:18] <Blubberbop> Where are all the kubuntu updates?? for all the previous releases, in the weeks following the release, I would receive loads of updates.. after 3 weeks of horror with 15.04 I have received upgrades 3 times.. the last two were 3 libraries from some obscure package that I didn;'t recognize, and then google chrome..  15.04 has so far been a horror release, bugwise.. Where are the updates that makes this a usable system?
[01:39] <Bomber> Note-to-self: when upgrading linux apps/environment, always check if people belive it's stable enough
[01:39] <Bomber> T_T
[02:11] <dkm_> Hello - I'm in dire need of technical assistance installing kubuntu. Anybody think they might want to tackle this one before I start posting the specifics of the issue? It's possibly a fairly lengthy investigation, so - ya know... :P
[02:43] <Grokling> Hi - I've got two nvidia video cards, four screens and a whole lot of wasted time. Then I installed kubuntu, and all four of my screens came to life. Well done to whoever set that up - no other distro I've tried has managed to pull that trick off out of the box..
[02:44] <Grokling> I have an issue now though, that I have no visible mouse cursor/pointer. It works, I just can't see it.
[04:59] <Grokling> Can anyone help me with an invisible mouse pointer? I've tried changing the cursor theme, but it didn't help. The mouse works, just there's no pointer, so it's a lot of guessing..
[06:07] <jdfantastic> Hi ya! Is the right place to ask questions regarding problems with Kubuntu?
[06:09] <jdfantastic> Eh, got some serious lag here... Can I ask a Kubuntu related question?
[06:11] <hyper_ch> jdfantastic: didn't you just do that?=
[06:11] <Graf_Westerholt> !ask | jdfantastic
[06:17] <jdfantastic> I'm running 15.04, and am having problem completing an update.  It seems that I am getting stuck at various stages  while trying to download some fonts. I have a screen posted at http://imgur.com/SvG5oj3 with the window that prompts for the update, and the resultant terminal window that invariably fails, though at different stages of progress each time. Unfortunately, each time I try to rerun the update, it starts fresh from the beginning.  I was
[06:17] <jdfantastic> wondering if there was a way to accomplish this update from the terminal, so at least I could download some of these  fonts/files/packages, and once successful, move onto downloading/installing the next set.  If that's not clear, I'll be happy to try an rephrase.
[06:22] <Silmarilion> Hey guys the apt is stuck while updating flash plugin: flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_20150512.1.orig.tar.gz
[06:23] <hyper_ch> what is the flash plugin still needed for?
[06:23] <hyper_ch> jdfantastic: try again, as you can see there was a hash sum mismatch
[06:23] <jdfantastic> I was worried someone would say that :P
[06:24] <Silmarilion> don't really know.. But today an update come up
[06:25] <jdfantastic> Time to get back to work- thanks for taking a look!
[06:25] <hyper_ch> Silmarilion: run from the cli:   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:25] <Silmarilion> thats when it got stuck
[06:25] <Silmarilion> doing the upgrade..
[06:26] <hyper_ch> then pastebin more than just that one line
[06:28] <Silmarilion> So here it is: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7e89e4242113e6878538
[06:29] <Silmarilion> I had to do reconfigure because muon update manager got stuck so I had to kill the process.
[06:32] <Silmarilion> And if I try to remove the package the installation of the same begins and gots stuck, probably  because the previous wasn't finished
[06:33] <hyper_ch> this still isn't the whole output
[06:35] <Silmarilion> thats the whole output from the termina
[06:40] <hyper_ch> sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer
[06:41] <Silmarilion> yea I made it..
[06:42] <hyper_ch> ?
[06:44] <Silmarilion> I did some stuff, which remove the package and whole bunch of things :D now I am afraid to do a restart :D
[06:46] <hyper_ch> pastebin the output
[08:56] <ShishKabab> Sometimes my cursor starts jumping and clicking around randomly on Kubuntu 15.04 and it is not relating to typing since it also happens while just using the trackpad.
[08:57] <ShishKabab> When I disable and re enable the trackpad it stops for a while, which leads me to think that this could be a software problem instead of a hardware problem. How could I find out the root of the problem?
[09:10] <fuygawkes> Hey guys, I got a quick one. I upgraded to 15.04 and it seems that I cannot add any "app shortcuts" on my panel, since KDE no longer gives me an option to add one there. Is this a general case or is it just me? Thanx :)
[10:06] <Grokling> Can anyone help me with an invisible mouse pointer? I've tried changing the cursor theme, but it didn't help. The mouse works, just there's no pointer, so it's a lot of guessing..
[10:07] <Grokling> 15.04, two NVIDIA GT218s, Nouveau driver.
[10:51] <fuygawkes> @Grokling have you tried the nvidia drivers?
[10:58] <Grokling> fuygawkes, yes, but then xrandr doesn't play - it only picks up one GPU, which means I need to use xinerama, and that breaks things.
[11:01] <fuygawkes> :/
[11:02] <fuygawkes> After many glitches I have stumbled upon I guess that plasma 5 is not yet ready
[11:03] <Grokling> It's only a mouse cursor..  sooo close to just working. To make matters worse, the first time I installed kubuntu, I had a mouse cursor and everything..  then I had to go and try the NVIDIA drivers, and that was the end of that!
[11:04] <fuygawkes> for what is worth, I tried both nouveau and nvidia drivers and everything (kinda) worked, but I have only one gpu
[11:06] <Grokling> I was really excited when both GPUs and all four screens worked straight out of the box. That has NEVER happened for me before.
[11:06] <fuygawkes> Have you posted on the forums?
[11:06] <Grokling> I just tried disabling mouse acceleration via xorg.conf.d, and that somehow prevented the desktop loading at all (threw me back to the login screen)
[11:07] <Grokling> fuygawkes, no, which one do you recommend?
[11:07] <Grokling> I have an otherwise fully functioning system.
[11:07] <fuygawkes> at first I would post in kubuntuforums
[11:09] <fuygawkes> if it is kde related, it's a good place to start
[11:09] <fuygawkes> also, this happens with every cursor theme you have tried??
[11:10] <Grokling> yes - I tried changing themes, and it didn't make any difference.
[11:15] <fuygawkes> have you tried booting with upstart instead of systemd?
[11:16] <fuygawkes> i don't know if that would make a difference, i'm just shooting in the dark
[11:16] <fuygawkes> but it might be that systemd calls for processes in a different way that upstart does, so maybe..
[11:18] <fuygawkes> I'm facing a problem myself so if anyone can answer this it'd be nice
[11:18] <fuygawkes> I cannot seem to pin applications on my panel. Is this a default in plasma 5 or is it just me?
[11:19] <yope> Hi all, I just upgraded to vivid and noticed our beloved kdm is no more...
[11:20] <yope> Is there any alternative that works well with LDAP setups with massive amounts of users?
[11:20] <yope> SDDM doen't seem quite up to the task :-(
[11:27] <Grokling> fuygawkes, I didn't know you could choose upstart.. I'll post on the forum and see what comes of that.
[11:32] <fuygawkes> Grokling I don't know if a fresh install jas both, but you can install it and use it interchangeably
[11:54] <cyber> hi
[12:37] <freakdaddy> Has anyone got dropbox to work with 15.04?  I've tried the version from Muon and the dropbox website.  When I run dropboxd I get the message... !! (Qt:Fatal) Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x50401) with this library (version 0x50302)  Aborted (core dumped)   Any help is appreciated!
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:05] <rosco_y> I'm trying to copy a directory branch from one partition to another, and I don't have permission to copy some of it (my own work).  I tried chmod 777 -R <folder>, but I'm still having trouble.  How do I fix this?
[13:05] <rosco_y> This is on my home pc
[13:06] <rosco_y> I'm booted to the 15.04 cd, wanting to overwrite my 14.04 with the new os
[13:06] <rosco_y> Does anyone disagree that it's somehow "cleaner" to overwrite with a new install, than it is to upgrade?
[13:07] <rosco_y> I suppose I could upgrade, and if I don't like that, then install new--I'd get to the same place.
[13:08] <rosco_y> That's what I'll do.  I think I won't lose my data files that way.
[13:08] <rosco_y> Thanks rosco_y, It's great talking to myself!
[13:08] <rosco_y> see you around!
[13:11] <BluesKaj> robotdevil, overwrting is not the proper method to install an OS, and yo're skipping version so you''ll surely have a broken system if you can even fnish
[13:12] <BluesKaj> oops sorry robotdevil, wrong nick
[14:37] <ephedra> how to disable that stupid popup telling me that flash needs to be installed (kubuntu 15.04)?
[15:08] <yahyaa> does anyone know how to set individual widgets for individual desktops???
[15:09] <yahyaa> for kubuntu 15.04
[15:52] <vankata> Hello i install clean kubuntu 15.04 but when type credentials for login. nothing happens. Status bar for loading load on 2/3 and freeze
[16:49] <mkanyicy> hi guys, im using kubuntu 15.04 and im very impressed by it, but now i rebooted today and the desktop is pitch black, there is no panel nothing
[16:50] <mkanyicy> i can launch windows via ALT+F2 but the desktop is just pitch black
[16:57] <mparillo_> I have heard two suggestions. If you have used sudo instead of kdesudo to launch graphical programs, you may need to change some ownerships. Second, I have heard clearing your cache (without plasma up).
[17:10] <BluesKaj> mparillo, the answeryou heard to your first is correct afaik
[18:05] <mac^^^> I am thinking of switching from fedora to kbuntu. F22 beta with plasma 5 has a lot of kde related bugs such as not saving session data (say I make a lot of config changes on the desktop) logout/login and my changes are not there! Does kubuntu plasma 5 have this same issue?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> mac^^^, suggest you install plasma 5.3 , it's available for Kubuntu 15.04 in a ppa
[18:09] <BluesKaj> if it's not available for fedora
[18:09] <mac^^^> BluesKaj: i was finding a lot of "minor" bugs such as "track mouse" not working, things along that nature .... also I was having issues with perl-tk not being to change font size whereas I COULD do it on prior plasma 5
[18:12] <BluesKaj> each OS has it's quirks when it comes to plsama 5 ...I had a few with plasma 5.2 , but a lot of them disappeared after installing plasma 5.3 on kubuntu
[18:14] <mac^^^> does kunbuntu with 5.3 show the mouse cursor changing to arrows when placed on edge of window? it did for me in prior plasma 5 but not with plasma 5.3 in fedora 22
[18:16] <BluesKaj> mac^^^, yes
[18:18] <mac^^^> what about changes to sessions being saved? that was extremely frustrating losing all your settings you had carfully made simply because you logged out (or rebooted for that matter)
[18:19] <BluesKaj> mac^^^, not sure, I don't normally save sessions
[18:20] <mac^^^> BluesKaj: maybe i'm using wrong terminology ..... what I mean was I login, change to "folder view", click Ok, it goes to "folder view", logout, login and it is NOT in "folder view" (i.e. my changes were not saved) .... is that called "session" I should start using correct terms
[18:23] <BluesKaj> mac^^^, sorry i don't use folderview, but I can say that if I leave a session with open applications they do relaunch after a reboot
[18:24] <mac^^^> BluesKaj:  ok, say you moved a desktop icon (shortcut?) on your desktop from where it was to where you wanted it ..... would it be in its NEW location after a reboot or logout/login?
[18:24] <mac^^^> thats what I'm getting at
[18:26] <BluesKaj> mac^^^,yes
[18:29] <mac^^^> you are making me think kbuntu has done a better job at putting in plasma 5 than fedora 22
[18:31] <BluesKaj> mac^^^, maybe ..It's hard to know, i haven't tried fedora in a while and I don't know of anyone who's run both with plasma 5
[18:41]  * keithzg still has PTSD from RPM-hell, thus avoids Fedora like the plague :P
[18:42] <mac^^^> keithzg: yum was supposed to solve the rpm hell problem
[18:42] <mac^^^> they use dnf now instead of yum in fedora 22
[18:44] <keithzg> mac^^^: I remember the problems being *with* Yum. I'd run "yum update" and there'd be, say, three packages which had cyclical dependencies on eachother but each were currently at too low of a version for the newer versions that each of their respective newer versions relied on, and somehow Yum couldn't work this out...
[18:44] <keithzg> That was when I retreated back to debian-based distros :P
[18:45] <mac^^^> only reason I use fedora is because my employer used redhat enterprise
[18:45] <keithzg> I've had some *seriously* messed up systems (I forget whether it was entirely my own fault or not, but accidentally uninstalled glibc back in Warty Warthog!) but it's always been easily fixable.
[18:46] <keithzg> Yeah, fair enough. Luckily most of the servers I've inherited at my work have been Ubuntu, so deb-based is mostly teh law of the land, with the exception of a CentOS server for mail and a . . . well, the router is best not spoken of.
[18:47] <keithzg> I've tried desperately to replace it but somehow it was set up in such a way that everything in the office relies on it in arcane, black-magic ways that I find nearly impossible to untangle, and my predecessor's notes were basically "¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
[18:48] <BluesKaj> i like the new apt install/remove etc commands, showing a progress bar of sorts in the cli
[18:50] <keithzg> Oooh, I didn't notice that yet (at work I'm sticking to the LTS), that made it into 15.04 I take it?
[18:51] <mparillo> The new apt with the progess bar was in 14.10 for sure.
[18:51]  * keithzg feels extremely oblivious now
[18:55] <DarthFrog> One of the things I most dislike about Kubuntu 15.04 is that I can no longer attach windows together as tabs.  I loved that feature in earlier versions of Plasma.
[18:57] <rattking> DarthFrog: I asked about that in #kde yesterday and someone told me that plasma 5 still supports it but the new window decorations do not
[18:58] <DarthFrog> rattking: Thaniks.  Can we dispose of the new window decorations, do you know?
[18:58] <rattking> I didnt get an answer if thats coming or not
[18:58] <rattking> yeah you can change it
[18:59] <DarthFrog> Oh good.  I don't give a rat's nether regions about theming.
[19:00] <rattking> dang I dont see the option in plastik either
[19:00] <DarthFrog> Neither do I.
[19:00] <mac^^^> I do 90% of my work in konsole (and browser and email and irc)
[19:00] <DarthFrog> For konsole, I use yakuake.
[19:01] <rattking> konsole is my fav. terminal emulator by far
[19:01] <mac^^^> i make use of profiles in konsole
[19:01] <DarthFrog> Yakuake is a drop-down version of konsole.  Hit F12 and there's your konsole.
[19:02] <rattking> yeah I dont like when it disappears :)
[19:02] <mac^^^> DarthFrog: i have script which use xdotool to put my konsoles where I want them  on the screen, which monitor and which virtual desk
[19:03] <rattking> awesome I am going to look into that
[19:16] <keithzg> rattking: Drat, that's not supported by the new decorations? Any word then on whether it will be and just hasn't been implemented yet, or?
[19:16]  * keithzg uses that all the time at work; guess that's another reason to stay on the LTS for production systems for now...
[19:18] <DarthFrog> keithzg: I've just installed some other window decorations and the option for attaching as a tab isn't there.
[19:18] <kolp> anyone know what happened to screensaver settings in 15.04???
[19:20] <keithzg> DarthFrog: I think even the older themes might still be using the new method of drawing decorations? I'm very sketchy on the technical details, gotta admit. Just asked in #kde if reimplementing this is in the cards.
[19:20] <DarthFrog> rattking:  In System Settings/Window Behaviour, there's a "Window Tabbing" config.  But it's useless.
[19:21] <DarthFrog> keithzg: A consumation, devoutly to be wished.
[19:22] <keithzg> mac^^^: Yeah, I can't imagine living without Yakuake. Probably tied with my browser as my most-used application.
[19:58] <soapbox3000> hello there
[19:59] <soapbox3000> i need some assistance with enabling SSH on kubuntu 15.04
[20:00] <soapbox3000> anyone?
[20:29] <BlaXpirit> hello.
[20:30] <BlaXpirit> I upgraded my kubuntu 15.04 system using  ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:30] <BlaXpirit> kwin_x11  crashes shortly after plasma panels show
[20:31] <BlaXpirit> this is after a reinstall
[20:31] <BlaXpirit> I think I may have upgraded without backports  on the previous installation, with the same result
[21:31] <Guest43064> ciao
[21:31] <Guest43064> !list
[23:05] <wldcordeiro_> How can I combine partitions on a drive in KDE? I have a drive that I used to have split 50/50 for linux and windows but I reformat the windows side to ext4 but I want it to be combined with the linux partition.
[23:35] <bprompt> wldcordeiro_:    run the kde partition manager, delete the windows partition, it'd be left as "free space", then resize the linux partition


[00:56] <felco> I have this weird problem when trying to open a new tab: https://snipboard.io/GUPgmz.jpg - I click the + but it actually clicks the hexchat icon and the chat comes up
[00:57] <felco> I guess it would activate any other icon in the same area of the system tray icons
[00:58] <UndrWater> is the browser maximized?
[00:58] <felco> And I can tell now when it is going to fail, because it is like there is a hidden something above the + tab button, so it doesnt highlight the button
[00:58] <felco> Yes, it is
[00:59] <UndrWater> what if you hover the pointer the same number of pixels below the '+'
[00:59] <UndrWater> then click.
[00:59] <felco> yes, i have to hover until I 'find' the button to click
[00:59] <felco> if not, the system tray get clicked
[01:01] <UndrWater> i have similar issue (not ubuntu) and am reading it's related to compositor. can you turn off compositor and see if that works?
[01:01] <felco> yes
[01:02] <felco> can you tell me how?
[01:02] <UndrWater> what desktop environment?
[01:02] <felco> gnome
[01:02] <felco> x11
[01:03] <UndrWater> apparently, gnome does not allow the compositor to be turned off.
[01:04] <UndrWater> do you happen to have another DE installed?
[01:04] <felco> no.. not on this machine
[01:05] <UndrWater> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1509981/gnome-mouse-pointer-misaligned-offset-between-visble-cursor-location-and-actual
[01:06] <UndrWater> not sure if that's related to your issue
[01:08] <oerheks> simply drag the window away, as it is 50% over the panel, then panel is ruling
[01:11] <UndrWater> oerheks: would the panel push the pointer's click action area away from the visible cursor?
[01:11] <oerheks> yes, unless it is more than 50% over the panel, i guess
[01:12] <z1z1> \quit
[01:12] <oerheks> solution would be some sort of smart alignment, so the panel never drops onto another panel control
[01:12] <oerheks> android does that
[01:13] <UndrWater> that might be the issue. i have a similar one that is completely not that
[01:14] <felco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH6PUsnfMkk
[01:14] <felco> here a little screencast of it happening
[01:17] <UndrWater> yeah, that look different than my issue, but i feel i'm not seeing the whole story with the cropping.
[01:24] <felco> like what?
[01:25] <felco> this happen even without a window in the background
[01:25] <UndrWater> it looks like one of the windows is coming into the picture, but i'm not sure if it was  random click bringing it up...
[01:26] <masber> hi, I have ubuntu 23.10 and the clock is not getting updated while traveling to another timezone
[01:26] <masber> I checked the settings and it should change the time automatically, also location services is enabled and I have access to internet through wifi
[01:26] <masber> so I don
[01:26] <masber> I don
[01:26] <masber> I don't understand what the issue may be?
[01:26] <masber> any hints?
[01:42] <felco> UndrWater yes, it is the hexchat window that comes up, all clicks there goes into the hexchat icon in the system tray
[01:42] <felco> also, you can notice that the icon tooltip shows up
[01:56] <mandle> @masber check privacy settings maybe? This might help... https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/privacy-location.html
[01:58] <felco> huh that is annoying... changing the primary display created a 'ghost system tray'
[02:01] <masber> yeah I have location services apps allowed to access location data
[02:02] <mandle> check the logs? grep time or errors may help
[02:03] <oerheks> maybe it is the bios time bugging
[02:08] <mandle> I was trying to set ntp up last night, and was having issues...systemd-timesyncd.service was where I stopped last night... doesn't know ntp,maybe depreceated or something, haven't finished troubleshooting.  give me a bit, i'll update in a bit
[02:09] <felco> disabling the system tray extension solves the issue
[03:02] <mandle> @masber run timedatectl status you should see System clock synchronized: yes
[03:02] <mandle>               NTP service: active
[03:02] <mandle>  if not, sudo nano /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf scroll to the bottom, uncomment "NTP=" and add a ntp server NTP=ca.pool.ntp.org that's me up in canada. sudo systemctl restart systemd-timesyncd.service, then check with timedatectl status. and if that doesn't work, I have no idea.
[03:03] <mandle> you may need to apt install systemd-timesyncd
[03:04] <Macer> saw something where it sounds like you can't install debs?
[03:04] <Macer> is that just with the ui?
[03:04] <rbox> yes
[03:05] <Macer> ah ok
[03:05] <Macer> i don't think snaps are a bad idea but i find that a lot of them have quirky things that don't work.. like not having an icon for the app or not being able to access smb shares (i don't think there is an option in ubuntu to even allow it under apps in settings)
[03:05] <Macer> only external media which i guess smb is not considered
[03:22] <lubuntu> hello
[03:35] <bobdobbs> how list all physical drives?
[03:35] <mybalzitch> lsblk ?
[03:36] <bobdobbs> `lsblk | grep -v loop` seems to do it
[03:44] <Jim`> Is it "normal" to have to install "xsane" to get GIMP to use your printer to scan ?
[03:45] <jiqiren> Jim`: yes
[03:46] <oerheks> no, libsane1 uses simplescan as frontend, AFAIK
[03:46] <oerheks> !info xsane
[03:46] <oerheks> optional
[03:46] <Jim`> oerheks: I had to install hplib or whatever and the printer worked to print
[03:46] <Jim`> but GIMP wasn't picking it up as a scanner device
[03:47] <Macer> ah ok. seems like gvfs crams the network shares in /run/user/uid/gvfs which i guess snap doesn't have access to even when allowing external media
[03:47] <Macer> that should probably be something added to snap to allow
[03:48] <oerheks> gimp as snap?
[03:48] <Macer> maybe i'll test out the libreoffice snap again to see if it can access it. seems like vlc is working although using 'open' sends you to the snap dir and not the home dir
[03:48] <Macer> nor are network shares listed
[05:19] <wwsmurf> I just installed vimtutor, and it's not working (Ubuntu noble). I don't see the tutorial's text. I installed vim-runtime.
[05:24] <wwsmurf> I see text flashing before my eyes, but no tutorial.
[05:28] <wwsmurf> okay . . .
[05:28] <wwsmurf> got it working.
[06:13] <Diagon> Why am I getting "no release found" when I try to do-release-upgrade from 23.10?
[06:16] <Diagon> Oops - I see.  They're not available "immediately": https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NobleUpgrades
[06:52] <shinjuku> Hi!
[06:53] <shinjuku> I can't install Ubuntu 24.04 on GA-B75M-D2V (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-B75M-D2V-rev-10) i gеt it  https://pasteboard.co/qg6ZnmCTO698.png what could it be and why
[06:58] <zaggynl> shinjuku: sounds like Ubuntu isn't detecting your disk for some reason
[06:58] <zaggynl> I do need to test 24.04 actually
[07:02] <shinjuku> zaggynl, this is weird... i have one SSD Sata SmartBuy 256 Gb for a system and two SATA Toshiba 320Gb for backups on this GA-B75M-D2V, and Ubuntu 22.04 is worked now
[07:02] <shinjuku> 2xHitachi, soory
[07:04] <zaggynl> as 24.04 is still very very new, I suspect a bug
[07:08] <shinjuku> zaggynl: just i not use any RAID or NVme on this system. Okay
[07:19] <SkyWay> i'm having a script in my home folder.. called `send.py`, that i need to run every 5 minutes.. so in crontab i entered `*/5 * * * * /usr/bin/python3 send.py` but that doesn't get executed. if i run manually the script via command line like `python3 send.py` everything is ok .. any ideeas why crontab ignores that?
[07:26] <webchat2> 1 package can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see it.
[07:26] <webchat2> Reading package lists... Done
[07:26] <webchat2> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:26] <webchat2> Reading state information... Done
[07:26] <webchat2> Calculating upgrade... Done
[07:26] <webchat2> The following upgrades have been deferred due to phasing:
[07:26] <webchat2>   distro-info-data
[07:26] <webchat2> How to solve this error?
[07:27] <SkyWay> `sudo apt install -f` ?
[07:28] <toddc> !phasedupdated | webchat2
[07:28] <toddc> Since Ubuntu 21.04, APT may hold back some updates on some systems while they are being phased in. This is called "phased updates". See  https://ubottu.com/y/phased and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhasedUpdates for more info.
[07:31] <webchat2> Okay, will just ignore it
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: there is a bug report out there for kernel 6.8 on gigabyte mobo
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: bug #2060709
[08:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2060709 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel 6.8 and Gigabyte F2A88XM-D3H mainboard do not collaborate" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060709
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> see if this is you?
[08:56] <shankuo> exit
[08:57] <zaggynl> huh, good find, so it _is_ appearing to be an ubuntu bug
[09:06] <computer> hello
[11:39] <lenovo> hi
[11:39] <lenovo> do you know how to join linuxmint help chat ?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> !mint
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> lenovo: also see their official website, more ways of support are listed there
[11:40] <lenovo> thank you very much loty
[11:40] <lenovo> lotuspsychje, thank you verymuch
[11:40] <lenovo> very much
[11:41] <lenovo> good day
[12:58] <donofrio> what would cause this, when I try to update I get "release file for http://archive..... is not valid yet (invalid for another 5h 59min 27s). Updates for this reporisty will not be applied?"
[12:59] <ravage> probably a wrong time/timezone on your side
[13:00] <donofrio> yah it thinks it is sunday, bah
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:19] <Fabss> HI
[13:20] <Fabss> whats up
[13:25] <Jim`> What do people usually use to scan with ?
[13:25] <Jim`> the software ^
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> !info simple-scan | Jim`
[13:39] <jhutchins> Jim`: What are you scanning for/with?
[13:47] <Fossil> Okay am I an idiot? Running 22.04.4 LTS. do-release-upgrade -d says nothing avail. I change the Prompt from LTS to Normal. Run do-release-upgrade -d and get "Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release." So I run it again with -d and it wants to upgrade to 23.10 first, without directly going to 24.04
[13:47] <Fossil> I guess I need to wait for the first point release right
[13:47] <ravage> Upgrades are not enabled at the moment
[13:47] <ravage> Not even from 23.10
[13:48] <ravage> And official upgrades from 22.04 will be available after 24.04.1
[13:48] <Fossil> Noted. Just wanted to test one upgrade before doing the rest in August. Guess I will wait
[13:52] <Jim`> jhutchins: HP Deskjet
[13:52] <Jim`> jhutchins: I had to install "xsane" for GIMP to detect it?
[13:53] <Jim`> jhutchins: I was wondering if there was something else to do after installing hplip so that I don't have to use GIMP and xsane or whatever
[13:53] <Jim`> jhutchins: HP Deskjet 2640 *
[13:53] <Jim`> Once you install the HP software it runs fine as a printer, but not a copier, etc
[14:29] <shinjuku> Hey! What about bug #2060709? i was offline
[14:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2060709 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel 6.8 and Gigabyte F2A88XM-D3H mainboard do not collaborate" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060709
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: i recall this bug with a kernel 6.8 combo with gigabyte mobo, just look at the description, to see if its your case
[14:32] <fanny123>  hi, my kubuntu 22.04LTS stopped working i believe dns or smthing similar. i saw a bind9 update, could it be the cause?
[14:32] <fanny123>  1:9.18.18-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>   i have this version. what do you recommend install previous version? is it something known? i've lost internet a few days ago
[14:33] <shinjuku> I just don't see options for installing to disk. Like here in the screenshot https://pasteboard.co/qg6ZnmCTO698.png I’ll take a look now
[14:33] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje:
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: an idea could be creating a 22.04 install usb, and compare it to see if your disks get recognized there
[14:36] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje:  Ubuntu 22.04 installs and works flawlessly on this PC
[14:37] <shinjuku> with 24.04 problem only
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: ok, so its maybe the bug, or the work in progress of the new 24.04 installer
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: but a clean install 24.04 with a full disk install, should work
[14:38] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: okay, I'll try today
[14:57] <fanny123> hello
[14:58] <delsol_laptop> Greetings
[14:59] <fanny123> delsol_laptop >  hi, my kubuntu 22.04LTS stopped working i believe dns or smthing similar. i saw a bind9 update, could it be the cause?
[14:59] <fanny123>  1:9.18.18-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>   i have this version. what do you recommend install previous version? is it something known? i've lost internet a few days ago
[14:59] <delsol_laptop> no idea.
[15:00] <CosmicDJ> fanny123: bind9 is a full blown DNS server that's not in use by default unless you install/configure it by yourself
[15:01] <fanny123> CosmicDJ ok thanks didnt know that, should be other thing then
[15:01] <fanny123> how can i  know if a recent update in last few days can break internet conf?
[15:02] <CosmicDJ> fanny123: forums would be full of complains? packages would have been rolled back?
[15:20] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: the problem remained with the only blank disk without EFI in the system https://pasteboard.co/MSokDXWqwQsg.png https://pasteboard.co/KYbDrjIqZ1vo.png
[15:20] <NeilRG> Should I manually update distro-info-data?
[15:20] <NeilRG> distro-info-data/noble-updates 0.60ubuntu0.1 all [upgradable from: 0.60]
[16:22] <ELFrederich> I'm trying to install 24.04 server and it's stuck on some "curtin cuthooks" just spinning forever with "installing missing packages".  On first install this didn't happen, then I deleted the VM and on 2 subsequent installs it's hanging there.
[16:23] <ELFrederich> any ideas what to do there?
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: please report your bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-provision and attach your /var/log/installer logs to it please
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> ELFrederich: same for you, see if you can catch the logs inside /var/log/installer
[17:04] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: yes, already done. i sent a report with screenshots
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: whats your bug ID please?
[17:07] <shinjuku>  lotuspsychje: #2064893 block probing crashed with RuntimeError
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> bug #2064893
[17:08] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: #2064935 https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2064935
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> error not found
[17:09] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/2064935 not found?
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> This page does not exist, or you may not have permission to see it.
[17:10] <shinjuku>  lotuspsychje: maybe this is only available to developers. I see my bug in my profile
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: ah, you filed the bug from inside the installer crash?
[17:12] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: yes :)
[17:12] <korobey> hello
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> shinjuku: ok thanks for filing your bug, follow the advice of the developers on your bug ID now
[17:16] <shinjuku> lotuspsychje: Thank you! I will do so. but for now I’ll go back to 22.04 probably
[18:11] <dust> where is the 24.04 iso which is smaller than 4,7gb?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> dust: there's a xubuntu minimal iso if you like
[18:13] <dust> lotuspsychje, i mean the standard ubuntu... there was a legacy version which was smaller than 4,7gb
[19:54] <test924> I heard there are problems with upgrading to 24.04. Is it advised to wait?
[19:55] <oerheks> wait for the 24.04.1 point release, upgrade path is not released yet.
[19:56] <bprompt> test924: dunno, but I'll be getting it in July or august, when the .1 version comes out
[19:56] <oerheks> we do not recommend to use the -d development option, but if you do, prepare an usb with a fresh 24.04 iso first
[19:56] <test924> thanks
[19:58] <test924> I see that 23.10 is end of standard support some time in july and 24.04.1 is scheduled for release in august. Does that mean that 23.10 has a period of no support and no upgrade path?
[20:00] <oerheks> 23.10 + 9 months, so indeed around july/august
[20:01] <oerheks> for 24.04 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649
[21:37] <mobius> I installed a package with snap (snap install k9s) and it gets put in /snap/k9s/155/bin and doesn't get linked from /snap/bin. Is this a snap package problem? Or why would it do this? System is Ubuntu/PopOS 20.04 snap 2.62
[21:58] <pycurious> Is 24.04LTS something I should wait on? or can i start using it? Especially with nvidia drivers.
[21:59] <pycurious> If I run an incus vm that runs 22.04lts but the base os is 24.04LTS - does the nvidia driver work for a gpu pass through from the main OS to the VM? For containers, it seems I have to match the baseOS=guestOS for nvidia. Is that the case for VM as well? Thanks.
[22:01] <SuperLag> I'm trying to set needrestart.conf to only restart services interactively. https://gist.github.com/akulbe/64ffcf50af4dead586c6581651ee722e <- I thought uncommenting and setting line 38 to 'i' was all I needed to do, but it's still not working. I'm not clear on how this works.
[22:37] <Bashing-om> SuperLag: Recent changes - see: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/needrestart-changes-in-ubuntu-24-04-service-restarts/44671 ,
[22:46] <SuperLag> Bashing-om: thank you