[03:31] <mattt> *yawn*
[03:31] <mattt> up for heathrow run
[04:06] <Jora> Hello.
[05:20] <mattt> Jora: yoez
[08:07] <hoover> good morning
[08:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:23] <mattt> morning morning
[09:07] <MooDoo> Rewatched the story of Lugradio last night, wonder how much it would take to persuade popey et al to do Ubuntu UK live :)
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> UKradio Live
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> well there's oggcamp
[09:28] <MooDoo> yeah i'm guessing that's going to be it isn't it :)
[09:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:53] <Knightwise> morning everyone
[09:53] <brobostigon> morning Knightwise
[09:54] <Knightwise> hey brobostigon  how are you today
[09:54] <MooDoo> morning morning
[09:54] <brobostigon> Knightwise: on the tired side, but ok. and you?
[09:54] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:57] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon
[09:58] <brobostigon> MooDoo:  on the tired side, but ok. and you?
[09:58] <MooDoo> brobostigon: at work, thinking of doing something opensource related, don't know what though
[10:01] <brobostigon> MooDoo: hmm, i am sure youi will find something. i am about to do a webkit build for haiku, managed to wpa2 working inside haiku yesterday, with a new wpa_supplicant build.
[10:01] <MooDoo> sounds cool.
[10:03] <brobostigon> will likely fail, but worth trying,
[10:10] <directhex> LDAP address books are totally broken in ubuntu 12.04
[10:10] <directhex> i'd recommend not upgrading, if you need that functionality in evo
[10:26] <directhex> huh, possibly fixed by eds in precise-proposed
[10:29] <directhex> which makes no sense - the precise-proposed change does not affect address book, only calendar
[11:36]  * penguin42 drops a pin
[11:37] <MooDoo> oi i'm sleeping
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> WHAT?
[12:00] <jacobw> ldap address books are broken by design
[12:01] <jacobw> carddav is much better
[12:01] <jacobw> thunderbird doesn't support carddav :(
[12:02] <directhex> thunderbird is a basic mail client, with some toy addins to pretend it isn't
[12:02] <directhex> i'm not deploying it in my company
[12:02] <jacobw> what isn't a basic mail client?
[12:03] <brobostigon> mutt ?
[12:10] <directhex> evo is in the "office" section of thegnome 2 menu, not "internet" :p
[12:17] <jacobw> are these not the same thing now?
[12:17] <directhex> heh
[12:27] <jjavaholic> #ubuntu
[12:28] <MooDoo> jjavaholic: you missed of the /join? ;)
[12:33] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:35] <AlanBell> morning
[12:35] <AlanBell> uds starts today
[12:36] <bigcalm> On what should be a day off
[12:36] <AlanBell> yeah, I miss a bank holiday
[12:36] <bigcalm> Do you give yourself bank holidays normally?
[12:42] <bigcalm> I say it should be a day off, yet here I am in the office :(
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: don't you also sleep there? :)
[12:50] <penguin42> AlanBell: Don't you just nominate another convenient day to replace it?
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> he's at uds.. doesn't that count? :)
[12:52] <penguin42> hmm that's neat - on my desktop I clicked on a link to an android app and it shows 'This app is compatible with your Orange ZTE Blade'
[12:53] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: sometimes I wonder. Last night I was coding on the laptop in the sitting room until 1.45am. Hayley had long since gone to bed
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yay on-line android market :)
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> or "play" as it's called now?
[12:55] <bigcalm> I was surprised that it took so long to get a decent web interface
[12:55] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It's a pity - I liked the old play photo story viewer
[12:56] <bigcalm> Grrrr
[12:57] <bigcalm> Still geting crontab emails from logrotate
[12:57] <bigcalm> Not a happy chappy
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> disk full?
[12:58] <bigcalm> Newp
[13:00] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/973483/
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> post-rotate script
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> like.. restarting mysqld?
[13:07]  * bigcalm shrugs
[13:07] <bigcalm> It's whatever got installed :)
[13:09] <christel> gordonjcp: thank you <3
[13:13]  * bigcalm hugs christel silly
[13:13] <bigcalm> Well, sillier
[13:15] <MooDoo> christel, hello my love <3
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> ctrl+shift+u 2665 <space>
[13:25] <bigcalm> Oh, that's fund :)
[13:25] <bigcalm> -d
[13:26] <penguin42> hmm, now how long will it take us to learn Unicode?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Timer starts.. NOW
[13:31] <penguin42> bah, the fonts don't seem to have the clock face characters
[13:31] <penguin42> (01f551-67)
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> that's because it's (a) unicode 6 and (b) screen eats Unicode 6 chars
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> (also the emoticons)
[13:33] <penguin42> there are different version of Unicode?
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> Unicode gets upgrades every few years
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> new characters, with associated rules ("is it a letter?" info, sort order, etc.)
[13:35] <penguin42> other than sort order, which I can understand, what rules does something that just has to enter the characters need to know about?
[13:40] <cliftonts> Hi everyone. Can anyone help me with a problem installing wine?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> What's the problem?
[13:41] <cliftonts> I'm running precise and whatever version I try to install it drags wine1.4 down with it.
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> sounds good
[13:42] <cliftonts> The only version that works for me is wine1.2 though
[13:42] <directhex> cliftonts, what version do you want?
[13:42] <cliftonts> sudo apt-get install wine1.2
[13:42] <cliftonts> The following extra packages will be installed:
[13:42] <cliftonts>   wine-gecko1.4 wine1.4 wine1.4-common wine1.4-i386
[13:42] <directhex> cliftonts, wine 1.2 is not in precise at all - the wine1.2 package is a metapackage which depends on wine 1.4
[13:42] <penguin42> I think the 1.2 is just a dummy
[13:43] <cliftonts> Ok, so how does one play pokerstars on Precise?
[13:43] <directhex>    wine1.2 | 1.4-0ubuntu4 | precise/universe | amd64, i386
[13:44] <penguin42> haha
[13:44] <penguin42> cliftonts: So, what happens when you try it under 1.4 ?
[13:44] <cliftonts> wine1.2 is the only version of wine that works. 1.3 crashes every 3 minutes like clockwork and 1.4 or 1.5 won't allow it to connect to the remote server
[13:45] <directhex> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=2899 ?
[13:45] <penguin42> cliftonts: You can grab the wine1.2 packages out of the repositories manually if you need to - not sure if they'll actually work on PP
[13:46] <penguin42> directhex: 1.4 seems to be noticably missing
[13:46] <cliftonts> I wonder what's changed to make it not work
[13:46] <penguin42> they'll have been lots of changes
[13:46] <directhex> penguin42, it's just down to what useful bug reports end users have filed. gaps mean people don't bother filing reports
[13:47] <cliftonts> The natural assumption is that things should work better in later versions. I can assure you poker clients don't
[13:48] <penguin42> cliftonts: Well they should, but programmers are human, so bugs happen
[13:48] <cliftonts> Naturally. How do I go about reporting these effects to the right people?
[13:49] <penguin42> cliftonts: In a terminal, run    ubuntu-bug wine1.4    and see what happens, assuming you have a launchpad account
[13:50] <cliftonts> I'll have to do that later, it's not installed right now and I'm only on a 3g dongle with limited data. Thanks for that one though.
[13:52] <cliftonts> Thanks guys. I'm off to shout at the poker client. It won't do any good but it may make me feel better!
[13:58] <Nafallo> Ng: when are you planning to release Terminator for Windows 7?
[14:08] <bigcalm> Can you have a split view in terminals? That is, 2 sessions in one view? I have 2 tabs but would like to see the content at the same time
[14:10] <penguin42> bigcalm: You can in konsole
[14:11] <bigcalm> Pendulum: not about to run kde :)
[14:12] <Pendulum> bigcalm: tab fail :P
[14:12]  * penguin42 swings back and hits bigcalm
[14:12] <bigcalm> Pendulum: my statement still stands, even if it wasn't meant to be directed back at you ;)
[14:13]  * bigcalm hugs Pendulum
[14:13]  * Pendulum hugs bigcalm
[14:13] <bigcalm> People complain about BigRedS and me. Yet we're not the only 3 letter similar nicks in here :P
[14:14] <bigcalm> penguin42: no offence, but I like that Pendulum is the 1st for my pen<tab> auto-complete ;)
[14:14] <penguin42> hmph
[14:15] <bigcalm> Pendulum: how's UDS?
[14:15] <Pendulum> bigcalm: not quite started yet. And I was exhausted so last night was an early night
[14:16] <bigcalm> h
[14:16] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:20] <bigcalm> Wah, netbeans has stopped responding
[14:20] <bigcalm> Time to play minecraft then
[14:52] <SuperEngineer> a'noon folkies
[14:53] <MooDoo> hullo
[14:56] <SuperEngineer> o/ MooDoo
[15:14] <SuperEngineer> Q/  I'm using Feh [a cli image viewer] to replicate the old "Pictures Folder" screensaver. [using feh -rzZFYD7 /home/[me]/Pictures]
[15:14] <SuperEngineer> ...anyway to set a cron job to start it automatically after x amount of time of idle kbd/mouse?
[15:21] <penguin42> isn't teasier just to install xscreensaver?
[15:21] <penguin42> ^teasier^it easier
[15:22] <cocoa117> can you do soft link to the user's home directory? so it can be located elsewhere then default /home?
[15:23] <cocoa117> i keep getting permission issue when login
[15:24] <bigcalm> When adding a user, you can have the home directory be something other than in /home
[15:24] <bigcalm> -m I think
[15:24] <bigcalm> Or -d
[15:25] <cocoa117> bigcalm, en, it's too late for that
[15:25] <cocoa117> i guess i have to manually modify the /etc/passwd file?
[15:26] <bigcalm> cocoa117: usermod -d /path/to/new/homedir/ username
[15:27] <cocoa117> bigcalm, sure, i just realised it is one option
[15:38] <Ng> Nafallo: I think we should wait for WIndows 8 and make it a Metro app!
[15:40] <Nafallo> Ng: well, I need it yesterday. putty is just killing me :-P
[15:42] <Ng> Nafallo: you'd better get hacking then :)
[15:42] <Ng> it might work in some kind of cygwin stack
[15:42] <Ng> if you can get python and gnome-terminal running therein, you should be good
[15:42] <Nafallo> meh... bother.
[15:42] <Nafallo> I'll just wait for Terminator Salvation...
[15:43] <directhex> gnome stuff tends to be a bit squiffy on windows. lots of daemons are expected. gnome-session-gorilla and dbus and so on
[15:43] <Nafallo> guerilla
[15:53]  * penguin42 thought Gnome was based on monkeys
[16:06] <AlanBell> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/ live stream from UDS
[16:10] <MooDoo> cheers AlanBell
[16:11] <penguin42> that's actually impressively good quality
[16:13] <AlanBell> it is jono's introduction for 15 minutes or so then he will hand over to Mark Shuttleworth
[16:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:17] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yay you made it safetly :)
[16:18] <czajkowski> yup
[16:18] <czajkowski> all good :)
[16:18] <bigcalm> Would be nice if the block would disappear if there was nothing to show in it
[16:19] <czajkowski> no slides
[16:19] <AlanBell> there will be slides in a bit I think, they switched to sabdfl.pdf or something a sec ago
[16:21] <bigcalm> This is amazingly good quality
[16:21] <AlanBell> slide now?
[16:21] <AlanBell> orange pangloin
[16:21] <bigcalm> Aye
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: sorry - I was away looking at AskUbuntu
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: I didn't go down the xsc route in case it fouled up unity
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> [there's also the statement : Canonical provides critical updates for Automatic screensaver for X until October 2013.
[16:25] <unconference> I notice that there are some issues with the nvidia drivers in 12.04
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> which is a clue [to me] it may be bad in 12.04 - anybody know for sure if ok or not?
[16:26] <unconference> I had to uninstall nvidia-current to be able to see anything coherent
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> ...all I want is my photos as a screensaver, nothing else
[16:26] <bigcalm> Is that popey in the front row?
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: the bald patch on the left (stage right) you mean? :)
[16:27]  * MartijnVdS runs
[16:28] <popey> bigcalm: no, i am at the back with AlanBell
[16:29] <bigcalm> popey: ah, hiding with your laptops :D
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> watchin the vid... oh no... he said "empoer people" - what next - thinking "outside the box"?
[16:30] <popey> hah
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> *empower
[16:30]  * penguin42 assumes popey and alanbell are playing buzzword bingo
[16:30] <popey> hah
[16:30] <AlanBell> :)
[16:30] <unconference> computers empowering people these days is a novel concept
[16:31] <ali1234> true
[16:31] <unconference> much of the trend seems to be in the opposite direction
[16:31] <ali1234> well it depends how you define "empowering"
[16:32] <unconference> true
[16:32] <ali1234> i mean apple certainly empowered a lot of shovelware developers
[16:32] <ali1234> so really it depends how you define "people"
[16:33] <unconference> shovelware?
[16:33] <ali1234> you probably know it by the marketing term, "apps"
[16:34] <unconference> ah yes
[16:35] <unconference> Centralized app stores are convenient, but they also give the mediator a lot of power
[16:36] <ali1234> it's not about the store as such
[16:36] <ali1234> except that everyone measure the appstore by the number of apps
[16:36] <unconference> which is silly
[16:36] <ali1234> which means the owners just encourage everyone to make hundreds of identical games etc
[16:37] <ali1234> so everything about every app store is abut how easy it is to develop, how easy the apis are, how easy to upload etc
[16:38] <ali1234> but usually they are only easy if you are building trivial shovelware ie a rss feed disguised as an app
[16:38] <ali1234> hmm what's this?
[16:38] <ali1234> oh way to put a huge caption box over... whatever that is
[16:39] <ali1234> crowd does not sound like they are up for it
[16:40] <AlanBell> it is a box \o/ woot
[16:40] <bigcalm> Sounds like he's reading a marketing script
[16:41] <AlanBell> looks like a crate of raspberry pis
[16:41] <ali1234> this is the most boring surprise ever
[16:42] <penguin42> oh, the calxeda stuff
[16:42] <bigcalm> Why do people in America applaud to anything and everything?
[16:42] <gordonjcp> cheerleader mentality
[16:43] <bigcalm> Is the goatse logo on the board behind Mark?
[16:43]  * AlanBell gets leotard and pompops out
[16:43] <AlanBell> pompoms
[16:43] <AlanBell> pompoms
[16:43] <bigcalm> Awesome!
[16:44] <AlanBell> gah, lag
[16:44] <penguin42> you'd hope they would hold a cloud summit somewhere weater
[16:45] <SuperEngineer_> woops - lost t'internet then - I blame the conference vid ;)
[16:45] <bigcalm> czajkowski: have you been cringing each time Mark says Awesome?
[16:46] <bigcalm> The HUD is not innovative :(
[16:46] <unconference> It's a little innovative
[16:47] <unconference> I would like to see some natural language parsing in the HUD also
[16:47] <AlanBell> ooh, that is quite interesting
[16:47] <czajkowski> bigcalm: you're such a grump today
[16:47] <czajkowski> bigcalm: it's a bank holiday get off irc and go for a walk and fresh air
[16:47] <ali1234> that's the stupidest thing i've ever seen
[16:47] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I was working to 1.45am last night and most of this afternoon so far
[16:48] <AlanBell> that new hud is going to be even less accessible than the current hud
[16:48] <bigcalm> I want to, but this code isn't going to write itself
[16:48] <SuperEngineer_> ooo - gimp 2.8 - that's awesome
[16:48] <ali1234> is the idea to put everything in the top left corner of the screen and then just leave the other 3/4 blank or what?
[16:48] <bigcalm> There goes the stream again
[16:48] <penguin42> the video player has an odd behaviour; if the stream drops and I hit play it restarts where it previously started at
[16:48] <bigcalm> popey is that legend
[16:50] <ali1234> unity it probably the most cluttered desktop i have ever seen
[16:50] <ali1234> well, the top left corner of it is
[16:50] <unconference> The top left is busy
[16:52] <SuperEngineer_> ali1234: you need to throw a can a can of Carlsberg at the monitor...
[16:53] <SuperEngineer_> then it'll probably be the best ;)
[16:53] <SuperEngineer_> [the best clutered...]
[16:53] <ali1234> AW
[16:53] <ali1234> what's he saying?
[16:54] <popey> he's talking about dell xps
[16:54] <popey> dell have a project to bring devops back to 'pc' from osx
[16:54] <popey> where 'pc' is a swishy looking laptop running Ubuntu
[16:57] <bigcalm> What it in a case or box? It looked very large
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[16:57] <bigcalm> Are all the think pad owners now sad that they don't have the same machine as Mark?
[16:57] <directhex> a cray x5m
[16:57] <SuperEngineer_> bbs - switchin back to broadbad [BT couldn't cope with stream - had to use 3G]
[17:25] <czajkowski> gord: ping
[17:26] <brobostigon> !info vlc unstable
[17:43] <ali1234> why is this thing specifically targeted at developers?
[17:43] <ali1234> i mean... what about it makes it good for developers?
[18:14] <AlanBell> UDS you mean?
[18:16] <ali1234> no... project sputnik
[18:17] <ali1234> you know the more i think about that "future hud" image the more stupid it seems
[18:17] <ali1234> how are we supposed to operate those sliders and knobs with the keyboard?
[18:18] <AlanBell> yeah, indeed
[18:18] <AlanBell> which means accessibility is broken again
[18:18] <ali1234> the whole argument for unity so far has been "keyboard fast mouse slow" and "i hate having to take my hands off the keyboard"
[18:18] <ali1234> but if you use a tool like gimp you hate having to take your hands off the mouse
[18:18] <ali1234> and so you probably hate unity and especially the hud
[18:19] <popey> but you're gonna take your hands off the kb to use those tools anyway without hud
[18:19] <ali1234> exactly
[18:19] <popey> so it makes no difference
[18:19] <popey> its just bubbling up the ui to the hud
[18:19] <ali1234> if you are doing GRAPHICAL work you probably are not using the keyboard *at all*
[18:19] <popey> i dont agree with that
[18:19] <ali1234> so this whole "having t move from keyboard to mouse" argument does not apply at all
[18:19] <popey> having watched someone use photoshop for 4 hours yesterday
[18:19] <popey> one hand on the mouse (actually a wacom tablet) and one hand on the keyboard
[18:20] <ali1234> so were they slowly typing "z - o - o - m" with their left hand?
[18:20] <ali1234> or were they just using the zoom tool with the mouse?
[18:20] <popey> they were using keyboard shortcuts
[18:20] <SuperEngineer> question re accesibilty - is it easier to use the mouase or the keyboard - if answer is mouse - a serious rethink is needed
[18:20] <ali1234> (pointing device)
[18:21] <ali1234> the hud has nothing at all to do with keyboard shortcuts
[18:21] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: everything needs to be keyboard navigable and focussable
[18:21] <AlanBell> like the shortcut overlay isn't
[18:22] <SuperEngineer> ....someone is beginning to understand my point
[18:29] <ali1234> AlanBell has been pushing for accessibility for as long as i can remember :)
[18:29] <ali1234> which admittedly is not very long
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> way forward [for some] = voice intrface.  say "hud", say "clear history" - oooh - would be nice
[18:32] <SuperEngineer> ...also way forward for when feeling lazz ;)
[18:32] <SuperEngineer> *lazy
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> anyway [warning, "too much info" time coming up...] me go have bath - see youz all later
[18:36] <penguin42> "hud - terminal, rm -rf /  enter"
[18:40] <SuperEngineer>  "hud - terminal, rm -rfi /  enter / fall asleep"
[19:33] <zleap> hi
[19:34] <popey> hello zleap
[19:34] <zleap> hello
[19:35] <zleap> are is lubuntu still an official release
[19:36] <zleap> ok how do i get ubuntu to tell me how much ram I have
[19:37] <DJones> zleap: cat /proc/meminfo Look at the top line MemTotal
[19:38] <zleap> i got it, system info in settings too
[19:38] <DJones> Or less typing "free"
[19:38] <zleap>  1802684 kB
[19:39] <zleap> so that is 1.8 gb,  i know I have 2gb in total so i guess the missing memory is somewhere
[19:40] <popey> 20:35:04 < zleap> are is lubuntu still an official release
[19:40] <popey> yes
[19:40] <DJones> Looks right, what graphics card do you have? If its got shared memory, that would explain the difference
[19:40] <zleap> yeah
[19:40] <zleap> i think it has
[19:40] <zleap> i am looking at lubuntu  as a option
[19:41] <ali1234> no
[19:41] <ali1234> system info claims i have 15.7GB
[19:41] <ali1234> GiB
[19:41] <zleap> there seems to be discrepencies somewhere
[19:41] <zleap> GIB = GB i think, i never know where to use caps and when not to these days
[19:42] <ali1234> yeah
[19:42] <ali1234> it's doing free -m and then dividing it by 1024
[19:42] <ali1234> which gives 15.673
[19:43] <zleap> ah
[19:43] <ali1234> but free -m uses megabytes and not mebibytes
[19:43] <ali1234> i will report a bug
[19:43] <zleap> what is mebibytes
[19:43] <ali1234> unless someone else knows better what is going on
[19:43] <ali1234> mebibytes = 1000000 bytes
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> zleap: powers-of-2 megabytes
[19:43] <zleap> ah
[19:43] <ali1234> er
[19:43] <ali1234> megabytes = 1000000 bytes
[19:43] <ali1234> mebibytes is "the other one"
[19:44] <zleap> 1024
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> 1024*1024
[19:44] <zleap> 1024 = 1kb
[19:44] <zleap> 1mb= 1024*1024
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> 1kib
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> 1mib
[19:44] <ali1234> hmm wait, even weirder
[19:44] <zleap> so is this to make it easy for non computer users, thinking 1024 as 1000
[19:45] <ali1234> free -b / 1024^3 = 15.674
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> zleap: "Hard disk" MBs = 10000000
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> zleap: "Memory" MBs = 1024 * 1024
[19:45] <ali1234> so free in fact is not using megabytes like it says it is
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> zleap: "Memory" = MiB
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> zleap: HD = MB
[19:47] <ali1234> so both free and sysinfo are using powers of 2
[19:47] <zleap> ok according to the side of my computer i have 2gb ram
[19:47] <ali1234> so where did the other 300mb go?
[19:47] <zleap> free -g shows Mem:             1          1          0          0          0          0
[19:48] <zleap> total 1
[19:48] <zleap> i will check in the bios
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> zleap: there's dmidecode (on PC)
[19:48] <zleap> ok
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> zleap: that will usually list the memory modules
[19:49] <ali1234> because free always rounds down
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> well "things" get used
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> like the first MB is "Special"
[19:49] <ali1234> kernel uses 300mb these days?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> depends on the kernel
[19:50] <ali1234> i didn't think ubuntu kernel was that bloated...
[19:50] <zleap> that command is useful
[19:50] <zleap> now why can't sysinfo just display the output from that
[19:53] <directhex> mibibytes!
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> directhex: mebibytes
[19:53] <directhex> moobybites!
[19:53] <directhex> kibinibbles.
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Egg McMooby Muffin?
[19:55] <DJones> Tribbles ?
[19:56] <SuperEngineer> [free -g lies,  free on its own has a more honest description, free nelson mandela returns "done"]
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[19:57] <ali1234> the only one that actually maches what the man pages says is free -b
[20:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Come to OggCamp 12 - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/05/07/come-to-oggcamp-12/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=come-to-oggcamp-12
[20:07] <MooDoo> hello all
[20:09] <zleap> anyway that dmidecode command is great
[21:29] <Azelphur> suddenly, canonicalproductsprint everywhere
[21:31] <bigcalm> Guess why :)
[21:31] <MooDoo> :)
[21:31] <Azelphur> because your sprinting towards products? :D
[21:32] <gord> actually not seen any uk loco people here yet
[21:32]  * Azelphur has no idea what's going on
[21:33] <ali1234> UDS
[21:34] <Azelphur> o.O
[21:41] <czajkowski> gord: where are you
[22:18] <czajkowski> I found a gord :)
[22:18] <directhex> hax!
[22:19] <czajkowski> I gave him tea bags and bickies and showed him my issue with hud
[22:19] <czajkowski> I wasn't going mad!
[22:21] <directhex> have you found Laney yet?
[22:25] <czajkowski> yup had breakfast with him
[22:26] <popey> i saw him walking around with an ubuntu user magazine
[22:29] <daftykins> are you all out and about at an event?
[22:38] <ali1234> daftykins: UDS!
[22:38] <daftykins> ah that time again
[22:42] <czajkowski> daftykins: yeah 6 months comes around fast
[22:42] <czajkowski> I can see aquarius popey gord and Pendulum all from here
[22:45] <daftykins> :D
[22:57] <directhex> Oracle v. Google jury returns partial verdict, favoring Oracle
[22:57] <directhex> A unanimous jury found that Google infringed on Oracle's Java, but failed to say whether Google had made "fair use" of the material. Google called for a mistrial.
[22:59] <daftykins> strange biz
[23:01] <directhex> somewhere in googleplex, someone checks out xobotos from git and scratches his chin...
[23:02] <ali1234> what happens if oracle buys msft?
[23:08] <ali1234> also, can xobotos rebuild existing android apps?
[23:08] <ali1234> i'm not really clear on what it actually does
[23:28] <directhex> ali1234, it's a proof of concept port of all android's java sources to c#, using a massively improved foss tool, in order to show off mono's jitter versus dalvik's jitter
[23:28] <ali1234> so pretty much useless for google then?
[23:29] <ali1234> also if it automatically converts the java to mono, doesn't it also infringe on oracle's... whatever
[23:30] <directhex> ali1234, it's academically interesting, given google originally considered using c# instead of java
[23:30] <directhex> ali1234, it doesn't implement any of oracle's APIs, it specifically rewrites existing source to no longer use the APIs. which are apparently copyrightable
[23:31] <ali1234> only the implementation is copyrightable?
[23:31] <ali1234> or rather, only the act of implementation infringes?
[23:32] <directhex> i don't think the court has defined things that far yet
[23:32] <ali1234> if it makes the code run, it could be considered an implementation
[23:32] <directhex> top - 00:32:33 up  1:12,  1 user,  load average: 19.65, 15.34, 11.88
[23:32] <directhex> WAT
[23:32] <ali1234> but i guess if it is only used once, maybe not
[23:33] <ali1234> but then that's always been my problem with both mono and java: you need a huge amount of code to make anything run
[23:33] <ucstaa> i was just reading groklaw, she says that has not yet been decided
[23:33] <ucstaa> the jury said you could, but the judge said that question wasn't part of their remit to decide
[23:38] <directhex> power cycled, keeping an eye on load...
[23:48] <directhex> it's going crazy again
[23:54] <directhex> /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs


[06:21] <mtf8> hi
[06:23] <mtf8> does Ubuntu Studio Controls use cpufrequtils?
[06:24] <mtf8> cuz I had that service configured and running before USC came into the world via the 18.10 upgrade
[08:05] <Jessedavid4> Hey if anyone can assist me. I seem to have run into an issue when downloading. After downloading Unetbootin, I try to open it an it keeps asking me to choose an application to open with... I don't understand why. But It's not a zip and I have no idea how to open it otherwise.
[17:30] <OvenWerk1> mtf8: yes, but -controls does not use it as meant to be used... because it doesn't work.
[17:32] <OvenWerk1> mtf8: also, if using -controls, please get the update from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/autobuild
[17:32] <OvenWerk1> As that fixes an issue with the CPU governor
[18:04] <studio-user181> hi
[23:18] <studio-user832> hello
[23:18] <studio-user832> testing


[04:17] <brisbaneubuntu> hey there is anyone near redlands bay that could please put desktop iso onto a usb for me?


[19:03] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Rolando Blanco: [HowTo] Install Passbolt in ubuntu 22.04 (easy way) @ https://rolando.iblanco.us/howto-install-passbolt-in-ubuntu-22-04-easy-way/
[22:08] <guiverc> I just saw https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-May/000290.html  (18.04 eoss), can start massaging it for fridge in maybe an hour
[22:59] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=9856&preview=true
[23:01] <guiverc> I've removed the ref. to 'Originally Posted by Steve Langasek', on 19.10 i left that bit in, 21.10 I removed (looks better without it I think) ... I'm thinking of adding it to final line..
[23:05] <guiverc> added ^ to final line... tags used are only News & Planet (for xenial this warning of EOSS was all we got.. if it's all we get I could always add an EOL tag at ~end of month)


[02:18] <ubotu> misfit_toy called the ops in #ubuntu-effects
[02:59] <bobstro> you guys do realize that some channels consider it rude NOT to announce aways, right?
[03:00] <Pumpernickel> And?
[03:00] <bobstro> well it's tough to configure a client to know the diff.
[03:00] <Pumpernickel> That's what human perception is for.
[03:01] <bobstro> now i think i'm seeing what the complaints are about ubuntu being a bit uptight.
[03:03] <Pumpernickel> It's a function on environment.  Check #ubuntu on a busy day, and then you may see why away announcements are discouraged.
[03:03] <Pumpernickel> s/on/of/
[03:04] <bobstro> i understand that ongoing are, but once on start leave, esp. as i said when i've been yapped at for the OPPOSITE is a bit uhmm..... controlling, no?
[03:05] <Pumpernickel> Exactly.
[03:05] <bobstro> so much for the ol' guidelines, eh?
[03:05] <Pumpernickel> Those are the guidelines.
[03:07] <bobstro> does your attitude reflect an official ubuntu stance, or is this just a personal control thing?
[03:07] <bobstro> your group certainly has the rep.
[03:09] <Pumpernickel> If it were personal, I would be the only one bringing this up.
[03:12] <TheSheep> bobstro: spamming busy channels with additional automated messages is certainly not allowed, and you don't need to do much thinking to know why
[03:13] <bobstro> i can turn that off, but the clients don't allow it per-server.
[03:13] <TheSheep> bobstro: use two clients :)
[03:13] <bobstro> and i see message everytime anyone joins or leaves already (unless i turn that off).
[03:13] <bobstro> good god, y'all. i come in and generally help more than i ask. this is a bit much.
[03:14] <TheSheep> bobstro: I'm sorry to hear it's such a great problem for you
[03:15] <bobstro> it's not for me. it's for you apparently.
[03:18] <bobstro> so how do i configure my client to not announce that i'm coming in or disconnecting?
[03:19] <TheSheep> bobstro: disable that script or read the manual for it, we have no idea what client and what script you're using
[03:19] <bobstro> i'm not talking about the away.
[03:19] <bobstro> i know what that is. like i said, that was response to being told to do so elsewhere. it's the other apparently offensive notifications i'm referring to.
[03:20] <bobstro> the ones the server apparently issues whenever someone comes in or leaves. i see scads of those.
[03:20] <TheSheep> bobstro: read about the /ignore command
[03:21] <bobstro> erm. how do i keep from so badly annoying everybody ELSE. i'm not having a problem with it.
[03:21] <LjL> bobstro, you do realize
[03:22] <TheSheep> bobstro: the server join/part messages are not annoying, as they are standard and can be easily filtered
[03:22] <LjL> that you, like, put yourself away and then back a total of 5 times, IIRC, and in one instance you actually changed from bobstro-away to bobstro-away-away?
[03:22] <LjL> anyway, clients have an /away command that's understood by the IRC server.
[03:22] <Ikawe> to be tested?
[03:22] <bobstro> LjL:  yes, a client hung.
[03:22] <LjL> people who /whois you will see that you're away (and a reason)
[03:22] <bobstro> and i re-set it.
[03:22] <LjL> people who don't /whois you but have a decent recent client will see your nick marked as away anyway.
[03:23] <LjL> so, since the IRC protocol *comes* with this feature, there is no need to roll your own.
[03:23] <bobstro> it also announces my entry and departure outside of my control.
[03:23] <LjL> especially when you're in a channel with 1200 people, where if everyone thought as you do ("how can one away message hurt anybody?"), we'd be spammed uncontrollably.
[03:24] <bobstro> i'm doing a /nick. i can't control what the other clients do!
[03:25] <bobstro> i'm saying the nick change isn't an announcement.
[03:26] <jrib> Ikawe: tested for?
[03:26] <LjL> i honestly don't care how you define "announcement"
[03:26] <LjL> !away
[03:26] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines and !nickspam
[03:26] <LjL> that's what the factoid says
[03:26] <jrib> Ikawe: dcc exploit?
[03:28] <bobstro> christ, this is silly. i'll probably annoy more people by trying to turn it off.
[03:29] <Ikawe> jrib: so I am told.
[03:30] <jrib> Ikawe: join me in #jrib
[03:30] <TheSheep> bobstro: you will not achieve anything arguing
[03:30] <bobstro> well, i'm turning that off and trying something.
[03:33] <bobstro> hopefully my joining hasn't offended.
[03:33] <LjL> bobstro: by the way, some people have scripts (or something) that work like this: if you privmsg them, or mention their nickname, you get a (private, of course) notice saying they're away. only on the first message, that is.
[03:34] <jrib> Ikawe: ok, you should be able to join #ubuntu again.  Thanks for your patience
[03:34] <bobstro> LjL:  i'm all for that, just trying to live within confines of different rules at different places (and frankly, trying to understand why some blatantly racist remarks are tolerated, and stuff like this gets me a ban.)
[03:34] <Ikawe> jrib: thank you
[03:34] <ubotu> r0bby called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:35] <bobstro> hah, the timing is ironic.
[03:35] <LjL> quite so
[03:36] <bobstro> :)
[03:36] <LjL> jrib, i'm going to bed, you take care of it? i leave +r on?
[03:37] <jrib> LjL: sure, how long do you usually leave it on for?
[03:37] <LjL> jrib: normally, i leave it on until just about 5 seconds before the next attack.
[03:37] <jrib> heh
[03:38] <nalioth> klining all those IPs as we speak
[03:38] <nalioth> can someone -m ? my client is waaaaay lagged
[03:38] <LjL> no seriously, usually just 3 minutes or so, but it depends
[03:38] <nalioth> i'll watch the +r situation
[03:38] <LjL> yeah, it also depends on nalioth saying or not saying things like these :)
[03:38] <LjL> oh there's +m?
[03:38] <bobstro> i've fixed the dircproxy setup. you're still blocking me?
[03:38] <LjL> bobstro: no
[03:39] <bobstro> ah, said i couldn't send.
[03:39] <LjL> bobstro: that was unrelated, it was due to the channel being moderated
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> I take it I just missed some bot attacks?
[04:00] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: what a coincidence
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> Aww, evil?  But I just got back from church of all places!
[04:01] <Madpilot> nalioth, notice that he doesn't say which deity this church of his pays attention to :P
[04:01] <SportChick> nalioth: don't believe him - he really orchestrated them ;)
[04:01] <nalioth> SportChick: i know it, that's why i'm giving him 'the look'   :P
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: heh - just plain ol' (or should I say Ole) Lutherans
[04:03] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, the famous Lutheran church of St. Spambot of the Attack Bots, right?
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: uh, sure.
[04:04] <nalioth> going -r
[04:04] <jrib> any #kubuntu op around, when you get a minute please unban Ikawe from #kubuntu (I tested him and removed his ban in #ubuntu)
[04:07] <nalioth> jrib: join #kubuntu please
[04:07] <jrib> nalioth: why don't we want bulk processing when kicking in -unregged?
[04:07] <nalioth> jrib: see -unregged
[04:07] <jrib> ah, ok
[06:57] <Madpilot> mass outbreak of stupidity...
[07:04] <HKJGN_> hey, i feel unfairly treated by mod Madpilot in Ubuntu-offtopic, i was thrown out of the server even after i said i would follow the rules, regardless to my accusations of them, and was repeatedly insulted by the mod. bieng called a child and asked to grow up, i believe he/she misunderstood my intentions, but overreacted in banning me even after i was over the arguement
[07:05] <HKJGN_> i've come to the IRC here for help on several occasions since i started using ubuntu, its not as if im just some troll, and i felt as though i was bieng treated very rudely
[07:42] <Myrtti> HKJGN_: you were warned, several times, on two channels, by different people, and told to adjust your language. When joining #ubuntu-channels, you're expected to have read the rules, and obey them. Usually people do understand the warnings and do what's necessary instead of bluntly breaking them just for fun.
[07:43] <Myrtti> I'm not an op on the channels where you've been banned, but having read the backlog, I really cannot offer you any consolation
[07:47] <HKJGN_> meh, w/e, this place is totalitarian, i guess theres no arguement i can make to bias, sorry to take up your time
[07:48] <Myrtti> I hope I wasn't too harsh on him
[07:49] <Madpilot> hardly. he's already heard exactly the same thing from two of us...
[07:50] <Tm_T> aww
[07:50] <Madpilot> I was just waiting for him to call us all "Nazis" - I guess 'totalitarian" is going to have to do
[07:51] <Madpilot> Tm_T, I'd agree with you, but then I'd have to kickban myself, which is always awkward... :P
[07:56] <Tm_T> neuropsyc-something ->
[08:04] <Myrtti> NOT HIM AGAIN
[08:05] <Myrtti> arrghhhhh ruben
[08:05] <Myrtti> I'm off to office
[08:05] <Myrtti> -->
[08:05] <Madpilot> Myrtti, we all need fans :P
[09:19] <Hobbsee> anything broke yet?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: ?
[09:19] <Myrtti> hum?
[09:21] <Hobbsee> with a lot of us being away
[09:21] <Myrtti> I made a mistake by talking to him
[09:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:21] <Myrtti> not that I've seen
[09:22] <Myrtti> besides foul language here and there
[09:23] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[09:23] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[09:23] <Hobbsee> oy, Seveas
[09:24] <Seveas> Myrtti, fowl language, not foul language :)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> ahh, good
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Seveas: is it worth op'ing people while we're all not here, for #ubuntu?
[09:24] <Myrtti> Seveas: I've had troubles lately writing english as I hear it
[09:24] <Seveas> Myrtti, it's an inside joke, sorry
[09:25] <Seveas> 'foul language' is perfect english
[09:25] <Myrtti> Seveas: :-) but I'm still annoyed with my recent problems with English spelling.
[09:25] <Myrtti> anyway
[09:26] <Seveas> hey elkbuntu
[09:27] <Seveas> the pool is cold today >:)
[09:27] <elkbuntu> hiiii
[09:27] <Myrtti> I've actually noticed that channels that somehow are related to events and conferences, tend to have some troubles with functioning while those events
[09:27] <Myrtti> same thing with !assembly on IRCnet
[09:28] <Hobbsee> !assembly
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about assembly - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <Hobbsee> oh
[09:28] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: yeah, true - most arent there
[09:28] <Myrtti> ops are in the buildcrew or systemcrew and when the discussion gets busy before the event, the ops are building the event
[09:35] <Hobbsee> damned Seveas
[09:36] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: http://www.assembly.org
[09:36] <Hobbsee> fun
[09:40] <Seveas> Hobbsee, so who should we add as temp ops?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Seveas: hmmm.  who wants it?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> for oen
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: might do it
[09:41] <Seveas> nice typo
[09:41] <Hobbsee> yes.
[09:41] <Seveas> oen is dutch for fool
[09:41] <nixternal> yes
[09:41] <Hobbsee> hah!
[09:41] <Myrtti> mmmm :-)
[09:41] <Hobbsee> yes, well, we already knew that you are a fool, Seveas
[09:41] <Seveas> nixternal, Myrtti: feel like taking on #ubuntu?
[09:41] <Madpilot> volunteer temp ops, fools, same thing
[09:41] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: *exactly*
[09:41] <Seveas> you shush
[09:41] <Madpilot> :P
[09:41] <nixternal> whats up?
[09:41] <Seveas> we've got to get thm to do it, then you can call them fool
[09:42] <Myrtti> /me shivers...
[09:42] <Seveas> nixternal, we need extra ops in #ubuntu while we're all busy at UDS
[09:42] <Madpilot> actually, scratch the 'volunteer temp' part of that :)
[09:42] <Seveas> fancy some trolling?
[09:42] <Myrtti> mmmmmm sure.
[09:42] <Hobbsee> no, no, *you're* the fool, Seveas
[09:42] <Hobbsee> Seveas: mmm...trolls
[09:42] <nixternal> Seveas: I have been an op in #ubuntu for a few weeks now :)
[09:42] <Seveas> Hobbsee, !
[09:42] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ?
[09:42] <nixternal> haha
[09:42] <Seveas> nixternal, good, the trolls are all yours then :)
[09:42] <Seveas> bon apetit
[09:42] <nixternal> hahah thanks!
[09:43] <Seveas> I'll add Myrtti as well
[09:43] <nixternal> Seveas: get me a bottle of Ponche Rum while you are there
[09:43] <nixternal> it doesn't matter, I can never react as fast as ljl anyways
[09:43] <Seveas> I put the tear in voluntear ;) (Yes I know that's not right :p)
[09:43] <Seveas> nixternal, ljl sleeps sometimes
[09:43] <nixternal> hahahaha
[09:43] <nixternal> Seveas: yes, but I bet his finger is on the trigger at all times
[09:44] <Seveas> sleepkicking instead of slepwalking :)
[09:44] <Myrtti> just add me to the !ops thingie, I've got gazillion windows open
[09:44] <nixternal> haha yes
[09:44] <Seveas> !ops
[09:44] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Burgundavia, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal or mneptok
[09:44] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops
[09:44] <Burgundavia> Seveas: ?
[09:44] <Seveas> !no ops =~ s/ or mneptok/, Myrtti or mneptok/
[09:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about ops =~ s/ or mneptok/, myrtti or mneptok yet, Seveas
[09:44] <Seveas> !ops =~ s/ or mneptok/, Myrtti or mneptok/
[09:44] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[09:44] <PriceChild> @lart Seveas
[09:44] <PriceChild> arrrgh
[09:44] <Seveas> hi PriceChild and Burgundavia :)
[09:45] <Madpilot> PriceChild, you really didn't think the mad Dutchman's own bot would lart him, did you?
[09:45] <PriceChild> Madpilot: i know, i forgot
[09:45] <Myrtti> so where am I an op now?
[09:46] <Myrtti> and you prolly have op howto someplace?
[09:46] <Myrtti> I've been an op in #ubuntu-fi for a long time, but there's been no need to use that right
[09:46] <Madpilot> Myrtti, get xchat + the chanserv.py script, then /cs kb away
[09:47] <Myrtti> xchat :-<
[09:47] <Myrtti> do I really have to?
[09:47] <Myrtti> irssi <3
[09:48] <Madpilot> given the number of irssi victi^W^Wfans around, there've got to be decent op scripts for it
[09:48] <Seveas> nalioth has one
[09:48] <Seveas> and you're op in #ubuntu
[09:48] <Seveas> Madpilot, why aren't you at UDS?  Although I don't chase ducks while drunk like Burgundavia does.
[09:49] <Burgundavia> wait wait
[09:50] <PriceChild> ducks!
[09:50] <Madpilot> Oh, did I actually type that? Didn't mean to, really. <halo>
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: i thought that was jono?
[09:50] <Seveas> jono loves ducks, corey chases them. jono chases corey
[09:50] <Madpilot> Hobbsee, he's been chasing jono while drunk?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: no, jono's been attempting to climb orange trees while drunk.
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ok, this is getting very non PG
[09:51] <Seveas> PG?
[09:51] <Seveas> Poultry Grooming?
[09:52] <Madpilot> Pretty Gooselike?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i dont want to know about you and poultry grooming..
[09:52] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I eat poultry :)
[09:52] <Hobbsee> only eat it?
[09:52] <Seveas> preferably when dead & cooked
[09:53] <Hobbsee> raw's much better
[09:53] <Seveas> if you fancy some salmonella
[09:53] <Myrtti> nalioth: ping
[09:54] <Seveas> he's probably asleep
[09:54] <Seveas> given that it's around ridiculous-o-clock where he lives
[09:54] <Myrtti> I just wanted to get my message in his awaylog
[09:54] <Myrtti> :-)
[09:56] <PriceChild> argh he got me again :(
[10:08] <Myrtti> arrhhh
[10:09] <Myrtti> /me goes to read the freenode help
[10:10] <Myrtti> Madpilot: /quote remove should be good, yes?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: why, what's happening?
[10:10] <PriceChild> pokage
[10:10] <Madpilot>  /quote I don't know - /remove is a useful alternative to /kick
[10:11] <PriceChild> *poke-age ? - meh you get the idea :)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: /quote remove, yes
[10:11] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ahh
[10:11] <Hobbsee> i'm not in there
[10:12] <Myrtti> /alias kubu /quote remove
[10:12] <Myrtti> :-)
[10:20] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, aftertaf said: !tovid is simple and powerful DVD authoring software - http://tovid.wikia.com/
[10:52] <Madpilot> G'night, all. Stay away from the ducks, Corey.
[12:11] <GazzaK> meh
[02:34] <nalioth> Myrtti: pong
[02:37] <Myrtti> would you happen to have the irssi script for operators in freenode
[02:38] <Myrtti> I'm just about to get annoyed
[02:39] <Myrtti> My wifi connection is too crappy for me to endure
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:46] <nalioth> Myrtti: i do. let me find it
[02:47] <nalioth> Myrtti: http://pastebin.ca/475406
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hi nalioth
[02:57] <Myrtti> nalioth: thanks
[02:57] <Myrtti> I'll see if it works
[02:59] <nalioth> oh it works.  <EG>
[03:01] <Myrtti> didn't actually
[03:01] <Myrtti> but I wgetted it from http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/auto_bleh.pl_  and now it works
[03:06] <nalioth> well, you have to chmod +x it
[03:07] <nalioth> and the one i offer was rewritten by seveas to work with Ubuntu (something about the terminal type in Ubuntu muxes up the standard version)
[03:08] <Myrtti> nalioth: hmm, but the copyright info has remained the same? ;-)
[03:08] <Myrtti> tsktsk
[03:08] <nalioth> Myrtti: talk to seveas
[03:08] <Myrtti> I'll have a look at it later
[03:08] <Myrtti> home -->
[04:13] <Pici> !omgamaranth
[04:13] <ubotu> Amaranth: Get back to work!
[07:05] <ubotu> In ubotu, Pici said: crontab is <alias> cron
[07:31] <ubotu> Ix0s called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:33] <SportChick> w 100
[07:33] <SportChick> oops, sorry
[07:53] <ubotu> Ali_ix called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:52] <ubotu> chemist109 called the ops in #kubuntu
[09:07] <Tm_T> hmh
[09:07] <Tm_T> BAH!
[09:29] <crdlb> !autostart-#ubuntu-effects
[09:29] <ubotu> You could edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom to start Xgl by default each time or could make a session file for it so you can choose X or Xgl by each login(the latter is often preferred). https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl#head-0322ac34c5a296667173383199f6f0d908245f08
[09:29] <crdlb> if someone isn't busy, could they move that to autostart-xgl or something?
[09:30] <crdlb> because it really isn't relevant anymore and the regular !autostart would be more useful
[11:52] <ubotu> chemist109 called the ops in #ubuntu


[00:03] <qengho> Not sure where to report a HTTP 500.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[00:03] <pleia2> qengho: try loading it again, it's a huge wiki not built on software for huge wikis so it times out sometimes (works fine for me)
[00:04] <pleia2> Canonical knows about the problem, they've added more aggressive caching and things, but it still happens here and there
[00:04] <qengho> pleia2: thanks. Third request was the charm.


[10:36] <Odd_Bloke> Hello all; I'm trying to add servicegroup support to the ubuntu-repository-charm, using the latest charm-helpers.
[10:37] <Odd_Bloke> I've added the config option and set it (for a new deployment), but none of the services show up in Nagios as having a servicegroup.
[10:40] <Odd_Bloke> Is there some configuration I need to do in Nagios?
[10:41] <Odd_Bloke> Here are some (potentially) relevant bits of config on the hosts: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11689441/
[10:49] <jamespage> lukasa, around? I have a query re use of etcd on the neutron-api charm charms for Calico
[10:51] <lukasa> jamespage: Howdy
[10:51] <lukasa> Shoot
[10:52] <jamespage> lukasa, just working through the current set of proposed changes
[10:52] <jamespage> lukasa, and I note the introduction of etcd into the neutron-api charm
[10:52] <lukasa> Yup
[10:52] <jamespage> lukasa, is that used by Calico to maintain state?
[10:52] <lukasa> It is indeed
[10:53] <jamespage> I'm trying to understand how it needs to scale - clouds may need to scale the neutron-api service quite big
[10:53] <jamespage> does that make sense for the etcd bits?
[10:53] <lukasa> Yes. =)
[10:53] <lukasa> So, etcd will scale separately from the neutron-api side
[10:54] <jamespage> lukasa, right now it will match the number of neutron-api units
[10:54] <lukasa> Ohhh, I see
[10:54] <lukasa> No, it won't, not quite. =)
[10:54] <lukasa> neutron-api installs etcd on each node, but configures that etcd instance as a proxy
[10:54] <jamespage> lukasa, we also have quite a strong etcd charm coming out of the cloudfoundry work
[10:54] <jamespage> https://jujucharms.com/u/kubernetes/etcd/trusty/2
[10:54] <lukasa> jamespage: Yeah, I'm aware, I have a roadmap item to migrate to that. =D
[10:55] <lukasa> But the etcd proxy instances don't count towards the cluster size
[10:55] <lukasa> They're basically just fancy HTTP proxies
[10:56] <jamespage> lukasa, what are they proxying to?
[10:56] <lukasa> The core etcd install, which is covered by the etcd relation I added
[10:57] <jamespage> lukasa, ah - sorry the use or 'peer' in the interface name confused me for a moment there
[10:57] <lukasa> Yeah, sorry
[10:57] <lukasa> From an etcd configuration perspective they count as peers
[10:57] <lukasa> But they don't participate in raft
[10:58] <jamespage> lukasa, so these don't fit into the relations provided by https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/~kubernetes/trusty/etcd-2/archive/metadata.yaml ?
[10:59] <jamespage> i.e. its not etcd (client interface)
[10:59] <lukasa> I'm not sure yet
[10:59] <lukasa> I've had a bit of a chat with Whit and Charles, but I haven't sat down and examined that charm in depth yet
[11:00] <lukasa> And that charm may need an enhancement to work for us (though it may not, they're playing with it for calico-docker)
[11:00] <jamespage> lukasa, ack - OK - I understand enough to review for now
[11:00] <lukasa> Awesome. =) Feel free to ask more questions whenever if you need
[11:12] <jamespage> lukasa, I'm making the assumption I'm going to see etcd proxy use in the neutron-calico charm as well right?
[11:13] <lukasa> jamespage: Correct =)
[11:13] <jamespage> lukasa, do you have a charm-helpers mp pending as well?
[11:13] <lukasa> Already merged, I think
[11:14] <jamespage> lukasa, checking now
[11:14] <jamespage> lukasa, this one - https://code.launchpad.net/~cory-benfield/charm-helpers/trunk/+merge/257260
[11:16] <jamespage> lukasa, fyi gnuoy and I where talking about plugins/neutron-api yesterday a bit; we're going to come up with a suboridnate approach which makes the code separation in the charms between core neutron-api and plugin a bit clearer
[11:16] <lukasa> jamespage: That's the one
[11:16] <jamespage> lukasa, you don;'t need to rework anything, but we'll probably do a tech-debt run through at some point in the future to move all plugins to that model
[11:16] <lukasa> jamespage: Sure thing
[11:16] <lukasa> I'll be around, drop me an email when you do and I'll do my best to help out
[11:16] <jamespage> lukasa, thanks
[11:17] <jamespage> lukasa, well come up with a base template and stuff as well
[11:17] <jamespage> make the whole process easier for all to consume
[11:17] <lukasa> \o/
[11:34] <jamespage> lukasa, do you have a nice bundle to deploy this?
[11:36] <jamespage> lukasa, looking at the peer relation on the neutron-calico charm - if related to bird, is the data passed on that relation superceeded
[11:36] <jamespage> lukasa, peer relations get noisy at scale
[11:37] <jamespage> lukasa, read the code and answered my own question
[11:42] <jamespage> lukasa, sent you a MP for a slight nicer way of parsing calico-origin in the install hook
[11:43] <jamespage> lukasa, I think you could also answer the feedback on the NEW charm bug by making install and config-changed to exactly the same thing
[11:43] <jamespage> or maybe no-opping install althogether
[11:43] <jamespage> the service bringup will do install -> config-changed anyway
[11:45] <jamespage> lukasa, remind me again about that bird bug in trusty?
[11:46] <jamespage> lukasa, shutting up - funny how you raised it and everything :-)
[11:46] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/bird/+bug/1342173
[11:46] <mup> Bug #1342173: BIRD 1.4.0-1 fails to start on Ubuntu 14.04 <trusty> <bird (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <bird (Ubuntu Precise):Confirmed> <bird (Ubuntu Trusty):Confirmed> <bird (Ubuntu Utopic):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1342173>
[12:04] <jamespage> lukasa, I'll get that into the SRU queue today - however its probably OK to use the upstream PPA as well, as the maintainer is the same person as in debian
[12:14] <jamespage> lukasa, fixes in the queue - that bug report will be updated once accepted
[12:32] <lukasa> jamespage: Sorry, was at lunch =)
[12:38] <lazyPower> jamespage: we have an etcd charm that supports large scale already :)
[12:39] <lazyPower> https://jujucharms.com/u/kubernetes/etcd/trusty/2 - i'd be interested in any feedbak you have here.
[12:40] <lazyPower> looks like we need to cut a new release however - https://github.com/whitmo/etcd-charm  v0.0.3 is the latest, and supports bintar deployments + private network bootstrap (vs using etcd to bootstrap etcd)
[13:06] <jamespage> lazyPower, indeed we do - can we adapt it for lukasa's requirements for etcd proxies on local units, related to a clustered, core etcd deployment.
[13:06] <lazyPower> jamespage: im thinking so. I have already started talking to lukasa and crew about it :)
[13:06] <lukasa> \o/
[13:06] <lazyPower> we have pending work to address first, but that was next
[13:06] <jamespage> lazyPower, so i gather
[13:07] <jamespage> lazyPower, awesome - I was having a general run through the charmset inc the openstack charms today
[13:07] <lazyPower> jamespage: i'll try to refrain from jumpin in a convo before i've had my coffee moving forward, i realized about 10 minutes later, there was a whole heap more to that conversation.
[13:07] <jamespage> lazyPower, its all looking pretty close - if we could close on the etcd stuff, then there are only niggles to land
[13:08] <lazyPower> lukasa: what were we pending? just adding the client relation bits and running a test right?
[13:11] <lukasa> lazyPower: Yeah, and me finding time to do that
[13:11] <lukasa> Currently swamped coordinating about 5 or 6 different things at once. ;)
[13:11] <lazyPower> no pressure :D
[13:11] <lukasa> Sometime this week or early next I hope
[13:12] <lazyPower> ack, if you want some support from our side feel free to tap me in lukasa
[13:13] <lazyPower> i'm pretty fmiliar with what our etcd charm is doing since i ran with the upgrades to 0.2.x
[13:14] <lukasa> Yeah, will do. =) I just blew up an attempted deployment to Kilo, but I think I just got the config wrong ;)
[13:14] <lukasa> So I'll see how this goes
[13:21] <Odd_Bloke> Can anyone help me with a Nagios servicegroups question: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11690101/ ?
[13:21] <Odd_Bloke> (Trying again now East Coast people might be around :)
[14:34] <jamespage> beisner, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/ubuntu-openstack-ci/neutron-gateway-rename/+merge/261630
[15:31] <mbruzek> marcoceppi: did you have an image generator for bundles?
[15:31] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: svg.juju.solutions
[15:52] <Odd_Bloke> Anyone around to give me pointers on a nagios_servicegroups problem I'm seeing?
[15:52] <Odd_Bloke> See http://paste.ubuntu.com/11690101/ for details.
[16:01] <beisner> jamespage, thanks, merged.  i'll follow up on that by updating amulet tests as i think they may call the old name as well.
[17:14] <beisner> jamespage, gnuoy - also, i'll work up an MP to update neutron name in the mojo specs.
[17:33] <cholcombe> lazyPower, so leader election in juju.  I get that by calling is-leader right?
[17:34] <lazyPower> cholcombe: corret, thats a predicate to determine who is the leader of the service group
[17:34] <cholcombe> are there docs on that?  i'm having trouble finding them
[17:34] <lazyPower> iirc they only exist in the devel doc release notes
[17:34] <cholcombe> ok
[17:34] <lazyPower> it hasnt been officially docuemented/included - and its subject to being reworked.
[17:34] <lazyPower> last i heard they were going to rework the leader-election bits sometime this or next cycle.
[17:34] <cholcombe> i'm on 1.23.3 juju
[17:35] <cholcombe> i'm going to give it a try and see what it returns
[17:35] <Bialogs> Does anyone here have experience with the Cinder charm? I'm getting the following error: losetup: Could not find any loop device. Maybe this kernel does not know about the loop device? (If so, recompile or `modprobe loop'.)
[17:35] <lazyPower> cholcombe: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/reference-release-notes
[17:35] <lazyPower> search "is-leader"
[17:35] <cholcombe> sweet
[17:35] <cholcombe> yeah i saw it
[17:36] <cholcombe> i see we have new hooks also. i need to take this into account
[17:36] <lazyPower> Bialogs: that sounds somewhat familar... did you provide the cinder charm a block device?
[17:37] <lazyPower> Bialogs: i beleive thats also covered in the charm readme if you havent taken a look yet - https://jujucharms.com/cinder/trusty/23
[17:38] <Bialogs> Yes I did but I'm not certain that I did that correctly, in my config file: block-device: /var/lib/cinder-sdb.img|10G
[17:38] <lazyPower> beisner: tap tap :)
[17:39] <beisner> lazyPower, who's there?
[17:39] <lazyPower> beisner: any known issues with cinder and loopback storage? the config provided by Bialogs looks correct to me according to the config option.
[17:39] <Bialogs> lazyPower: I should also mention that I'm trying to do this in LXC
[17:39] <lazyPower> oooooooooooooo
[17:40] <lazyPower> i bet its an apparmor issue
[17:40] <beisner> lazyPower, loopback storage is a testing/experimental feature;  i'd add that i've not tried to use it inside lxc.
[17:40] <lazyPower> but we'll see what the wizard has to say
[17:40] <lazyPower> beisner is my lifeline into the openstack wizards circle :)
[17:40] <Bialogs> lazyPower: On the host I can't see the kernel module either though
[17:40] <lazyPower> i'm willing to bet thats the issue
[17:40] <lazyPower> apparmor is preventing you from loading the loopback kernel module
[17:41] <lazyPower> i've run into so many weird edge cases with apparmor being very strict about what you're allowed to do in lxc
[17:41] <cholcombe> lazyPower: is-leader rocks :)
[17:41] <Bialogs> modprobe loop doesn't return anything either
[17:41] <Bialogs> apparmor will prevent that on the host machine too?
[17:41] <lazyPower> not on the host, no
[17:41] <lazyPower> only in the lxc client iirc
[17:42] <Bialogs> Ya so that's strange
[17:42] <lazyPower> you have to whitelist modules in apparmor to get them to load in lxc
[17:42] <lazyPower> if thats the issue that is
[17:42] <lazyPower> mind you i'm making a guess at this, without having evidence thats the problem
[17:44] <Bialogs> I'm going to try and get it loaded on the host first
[17:44] <beisner> lazyPower, sounds reasonable to at least look at apparmor.
[17:44] <ennoble> hi, I'm trying to manually provision a node and I get an error, "ERROR error checking if provisioned: subprocess encountered error code 1" is there any debugging I can turn on to further diagnose the problem?
[17:44] <Bialogs> Assuming I don't get this working what's the alternative to loopback Cinder
[17:45] <beisner> Bialogs, please do let us know if you see issues with that outside a container.
[17:45] <lazyPower> ennoble: can you do 'juju retry-provisioning' with --verbose?
[17:45] <lazyPower> er -v
[17:48] <ennoble> lazyPower: when I try that with the machine name I get "error invalid machine", without it "error: no machine specified." The machine isn't listed in juju status in any state after the failure
[17:48] <ennoble> lazyPower: is there a way to get verbose output from add-machine? -v doesn't seem to do anything
[17:51] <lazyPower> ennoble: you can tail the machine log on your bootstrap node, but that wont give you much output during the provisioning process unfortunately
[17:51] <lazyPower> i'm trying to think if there's a debug method on that to spit out more data like bootstrap --debug -v
[17:51] <mgz_> lazyPower: `juju help logging`
[17:52] <mgz_> turn up the verbosity, then look at the machine log
[17:52] <lazyPower> oh yeah i sent a Pr to the docs about this
[17:52] <lazyPower> mgz_: *hattip*
[17:54] <Destreyf> marcoceppi: Did you have any issues with your Hyper Visor not showing up in the stack?
[17:57] <ennoble> mgz_: I tried that, the help, isn't quite right in 1.23.3 (looks like you need juju set-environment logging-config="juju=TRACE;unit=TRACE"
[17:57] <ennoble> lazyPower: funny enough it worked after setting logging even though I've tried it many times previously... not sure how to debug that more
[17:57] <lazyPower> ennoble: that is indeed odd
[17:58] <lazyPower> perhaps a transient networking error?
[17:58] <ennoble> lazyPower: Possibly, although i've had an ssh session open to the machine the whole time as well.
[17:59] <ennoble> lazyPower: thanks for the input. If it happens again maybe I'll see a pattern
[17:59] <lazyPower> np ennoble, cheers :)
[18:02] <cholcombe> is is-leader does some strange things :).  when my leader-elected hook was called the normal juju context stuff that I gather didn't work
[18:03] <lazyPower> cholcombe: might be worth following up in #juju-dev to see why certain things arent available in leader context
[18:03] <cholcombe> ok
[18:03] <cholcombe> is that on freenode also?
[18:03] <lazyPower> yep
[18:05] <ennoble> lazyPower: Actually my bad, I was wrong, I spelled the node name incorrectly and the machine created didn't exist when I retried. I'm back to the issue.
[18:07] <ennoble> lazyPower: I set logging-config to juju=TRACE;unit=TRACE where is the logging done? I don't see anything on the orchestration node
[18:09] <lazyPower> with the logging set to trace, it will show up on your workstation when you run 'juju debug-log'
[18:09] <lazyPower> but its going to be a firehose of info, so be prepared
[18:12] <ennoble> lazyPower: while I see pings and such from other instances, nothing about the machine I'm trying to add seems to show up
[18:15] <lazyPower> thats weird
[18:15] <lazyPower> you should at the very least be getting something from the action, and anything post cloud-init
[18:20] <Bialogs> lazyPower: Hey, I have some more information. The hook that Juju is running executes a losetup -f command which fails because it can't find the loop module. When I modprobe from the container I get the following error: modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:556 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.13.0-53-generic/modules.dep.bin
[18:21] <Bialogs> lazyPower: does that point more to app armor?
[18:22] <lazyPower> Bialogs: does the command work after you sudo depmod?
[18:24] <bbaqar> Has anyone done a complete kilo openstack HA deployment?
[18:25] <Bialogs> lazyPower: I did a depmod on the host before I ran this command -- any difference in LXC?
[18:26] <lazyPower> Bialogs: if it made no difference, i would point at apparmor, if it works its ounds like the module.bin was missing the module you needed
[18:26] <lazyPower> you should be getting an error in syslog (i think) about the apparmor denial
[18:26] <lazyPower> if its apparmor
[18:26] <Bialogs> lazyPower: lol depmod fails in the container
[18:26] <lazyPower> ok, yeah
[18:27] <lazyPower> its more than likely the apparmor profile for lxc then, which is unfortunate.
[18:27] <lazyPower> that gets fiddly
[18:28] <Bialogs> The app armor profile is on the host machine, correct?
[18:28] <lazyPower> correct
[18:38] <cholcombe> lazyPower: i think my leader stuff works now :)
[18:38] <Bialogs> lazyPower: don't really see anything that says denied, just a lot of status messages
[18:38] <cholcombe> i'm not seeing a crap ton of duplicate unit messages now
[18:38] <lazyPower> cholcombe: awesome!
[18:38] <cholcombe> :)
[18:38] <lazyPower> Bialogs: :(
[18:38] <Bialogs> Every smile has a frown
[18:38] <lazyPower> Bialogs: thats the pitts, i'm not sure what to recommend if its not giving you a big red shiny signal
[18:39] <lazyPower> Bialogs: what i can however s uggest is emailing the juju list with the issue
[18:39] <lazyPower> someone thats not around now (primarily the UK openstack team) should be able to lend a hand with whats going wrong if theyve encountered this before, otherwise they will point you to file a bug
[18:40] <lazyPower> Bialogs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- or alternatively you can open a bug first and ping the list with the bug, which may be the better route to go, to raise visibility and get some bug-heat on it.
[18:41] <Bialogs> I'm going to see if I can poke around the app armor config first
[18:41] <Bialogs> Then I'll email the list or post the bug
[18:41] <Bialogs> Thanks!
[18:47] <lazyPower> sorry i wasnt more help Bialogs :( good luck
[19:34] <Bialogs> So this is strange
[19:35] <Bialogs> Tried it again and It's not failing at that part, just can't communicate with RabbitMQ
[19:48] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: sweet blog post!
[19:48] <mbruzek> thanks marcoceppi
[19:49] <mbruzek> http://bruzer.net/2015/06/10/deploy-a-kubernetes-development-cluster-with-juju/
[20:01] <tvansteenburgh> great write-up mbruzek, just read it myself
[20:02] <mbruzek> thanks tim
[20:02] <tvansteenburgh> nice work on kubes lazyPower, mbruzek, and whit; cool stuff!
[20:26] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: do you recall if unitdata is available in charmhelpers render_template?  and if so, does this feel right in a .j2 template? hostname = {{ unitdata.kv['relations.ready']['my-charm'].values()[0]['private-address'] }}
[20:33] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: Do you mean in the bigdata branch, or in trunk?
[20:35] <kwmonroe> either cory_fu, but i got it.. i'm using any_ready_unit instead of relations.ready now.  please disregard :)
[20:35] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: It is available in the templates in the big data branch, yes, but I'd recommend you use {{ any_ready_unit('my-charm')['private-address'] }} instead
[20:35] <kwmonroe> duh
[20:35] <cory_fu> :)
[20:44] <lazyPower> thanks tvansteenburgh :)
[21:46] <Bialogs> lazyPower: I submitted that bug - ended up getting another error eventually...Still super confused. Thanks for your help
[22:59] <Destreyf> guys, i'm running into a weird issue
[22:59] <Destreyf> when i deploy a machine using the manual method
[22:59] <Destreyf> my 2nd machine never starts up the virbr0
[23:00] <Destreyf> and then i get connction timeouts


[00:57] <waykool99> haven't used IRC in over 10 years. does old AOL usernames/passwords still work for Logging in?
[01:03] <waykool99> by chance, any ubuntu studio devs here?
[14:58] <InsertUsername> Does anyone know where the AMD Graphics Driver keeps its config file?
[15:02] <InsertUsername> Does anyone know where the AMD Graphics Driver keeps its config file?
[15:04] <InsertUsername> I'm trying to find the amd driver config file so I can change the resolution in it and stop it from bluescreening
[19:21] <InsertUser> How can I run Ubuntu Studio in low resolution ode?
[19:21] <InsertUser> mode*
[19:26] <wiak> put VGA in boot?
[19:26] <wiak> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Common_Kernel_Options
[19:27] <wiak> http://nwgat.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/amd-catalyst-on-linux-howto-black-screen-fix/
[19:27] <wiak> :P
[19:27] <InsertUser> thanks... I'll have a look
[19:28] <InsertUser> and thanks for the amd link just what I was looking for
[19:28] <wiak> amd uses xorg, soo the config file is the current xorg config file
[19:28] <wiak> it should be around /etc/xorg
[19:29] <InsertUser> also when you do Ctrl+Alt+F1 how do you exit the terminal when you're done?
[19:29] <wiak> /etc/X11/xorg.conf is more corret
[19:29] <wiak> i think thats F9 or something
[19:29] <wiak> or just reboot *
[19:29] <InsertUser> ok
[19:30] <InsertUser> nope it's none of the Function Keys
[19:33] <InsertUser> ok...
[19:33] <InsertUser> I did that
[19:33] <InsertUser> but I want my drivers D:
[19:33] <InsertUser> If I install my driver, is there a way to configure ut before I reboot?
[19:35] <InsertUser> wait I'll join on y Ubuntu Studio coputer
[19:36] <InsertUser_> Ok...
[19:36] <InsertUser_> Do I actually need my AMD graphics drivers?
[21:05] <InsertUser> Hi, Is there any way I can install the AMD Catalyst Driver without it messing up my resolution?
[21:07] <InsertUser> Is this the wrong place to ask?
[21:12] <wilee-nilee> no is this a propietary?
[21:13] <wilee-nilee> InsertUser: this is ubuntu studio?
[21:13] <InsertUser> ? yeh
[21:13] <InsertUser> yes it is for ubuntu studio
[21:14] <InsertUser> I'm running on ubuntu studio and every time I install the driver my resolution gets messed up
[21:18] <sporkeee> !xrandr


[13:09] <psusi> could a release manager target bug #1772374 for bionic?
[18:12] <psusi> bdmurray: I'm trying to write a bugpattern and even when I revert to the unmodified bugpatterns.xml file and run ./test-local, it crashes saying: line 275, in download assert m, 'bug description must contain standard apport format data'
[18:14] <psusi> ohh, does it not like the fact that the bug I'm trying to dupe against wasn't itself filed by apport?
[18:17] <bdmurray> probably, it'll skip the bug, as a candidate, if it was not reported by apport
[18:17] <psusi> ohh, wait... I get it... test-local doesn't want the master bug number, it wants a single bug number to check if it matches a pattern
[18:18] <bdmurray> Yes, that's true.
[18:39] <psusi> ok, I got a pattern, search-bugs over the last 5 days finds a dozen dupes, no false positives... woot
[18:39] <psusi> so now I just commit and push?
[18:40] <bdmurray> Did you manually mark those duplicates or use -C to have the tool mark them as dupes?
[18:51] <psusi> bdmurray: not marked anything yet...
[18:51] <psusi> is it that if I commit and push the pattern, it will take care of new bugs, but existing ones I just need to let search-bugs -C handle those?
[18:53] <bdmurray> psusi: that's correct, I believe its covered in the README
[18:53] <psusi> ok... I guess I'll run that and push the commit then...
[18:59] <bdmurray> I'd be happy to have look at the pattern if you'd like
[19:00] <psusi> ok... the bzr push seemed to hang anyhow...
[19:01] <psusi> bdmurray: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YJNMpfPc7m/
[19:02] <psusi> bdmurray: I tried also adding Package: ubiquity but that didn't work for some reason
[19:04] <bdmurray> psusi: Hmm, that's weird. Anyway it looks fine to me.
[19:05] <psusi> ok... search found and marked another 30 something from the last 45 days that I haven't manually triaged yet... pushing now
[19:05] <psusi> wait, what is bugpattern_written.py?
[19:06] <bdmurray> it just changes tags on the master bug
[19:06] <psusi> to what end?
[19:07] <psusi> should I run that?
[19:07] <bdmurray> iirc there was an idea to tag bugs bugpattern-needed, or maybe apport does that, and bugpattern_written.py just flips the tag to bugpattern-written.
[19:08] <psusi> I've seen that... does anything actually use those tags?
[19:10] <bdmurray> As I said apport does
[19:13] <psusi> what's it do with bugpattern-written?
[19:16] <bdmurray> apport tags bugpattern-needed, bugpattern_written.py is a bzr plugin as mentioned in it
[19:33] <psusi> ohh, I see... someone tags a bug as bugpattern-needed and when someone actually writes the pattern, that marks it as done... since I just wrote the pattern without being prompted with a -needed tag, I don't need to run it