[12:11] <willem> Can somebody explain me why mplayer isn't in the 'universe'?
[12:11] <locomorto> try multiverse
[12:12] <snowblink> cheers locomorto & Daehlie
[12:12] <willem> No really...
[12:12] <light_punch2> does ubuntu use rpm?
[12:12] <Daehlie> no
[12:12] <locomorto> yes and no
[12:12] <jure> light_punch2 ubuntu is debian based
[12:12] <willem> Do you mean support or use?
[12:12] <Daehlie> .deb
[12:12] <billyoc> but mostly no.  :)
[12:12] <Daehlie> you COULD use rpm, but there is no reason to
[12:13] <locomorto> you can use alien to convert to .deb files (like this alien <package>.rpm
[12:13] <light_punch2> thx
[12:13] <willem> i dont understand why mplayer isnt in ports
[12:13] <jure> light_punch2 it's better to use apt-get
[12:13] <gordonjcp> Seveas: nope, black screen
[12:13] <locomorto> except things like Nero Linux arn't in apt-get
[12:14] <willem> and mplayer!
[12:14] <Hmmmm> Daehlie, i just got my amd64bit box. u think i can install the hoary RC and then upgrade?
[12:14] <willem> mplayer is god, buddha and allah
[12:14] <Insom> hi all
[12:14] <Daehlie> i have heard bad things about hoary on amd64, but you should be able to install it and upgrade as normal
[12:14] <locomorto> hey
[12:15] <yahalom> can someone help me with changing file permission? i'm trying to install a new thunderbird dictionary and it keeps saying access denied.
[12:15] <Daehlie> and by bad things i just mean disputes over how to handle the 64 bit arch, not serious issues
[12:15] <jure> locomorto, what is nero linux?
[12:15] <whiskers> well i heard that you are not allowed to use Nero Linux unless you purchased a retail copy of Nero
[12:15] <snowblink> yahalom, man chmod
[12:15] <locomorto> its Nero, for Linux, made by Nero. you need a copy of Nero Linux reloaded to get it though
[12:15] <jure> ah locomorto, you have cdrecord why do you need nero linux?
[12:15] <whiskers> so at least we have gnome-baker working to burn dvd's but it really needs a verify option
[12:16] <yahalom> snowblink, so i lets say "sudo chmod +x <filename> ?
[12:16] <ali_> hi hi :)
[12:16] <locomorto> im just saying its there, and some people like it
[12:16] <whiskers> there is k3b and gnome-baker for now...but gnome-baker really needs a verify
[12:16] <snowblink> yahalom, that will give you execute permission on the file.
[12:16] <ali_> whiskers> Is gnome-baker out ?
[12:16] <ali_> I could not apt-get install it personnally
[12:16] <whiskers> yes i have 0.3 burning dvd's now
[12:16] <whiskers> on hoary
[12:16] <snowblink> yahalom, you may need write permission
[12:17] <yahalom> snowblink, i want all permissions, read write execute
[12:17] <whiskers> but there is no verify option
[12:17] <locomorto> to change permission: sudo nautilus, then navigate to the thunderbids directores and right click properties and change the permissions
[12:17] <yahalom> snowblink, yeah exactly, so how do i do that
[12:17] <gordonjcp> Seveas: any more thoughts?
[12:17] <snowblink> yahalom, chmod +w filename
[12:17] <yahalom> locomorto, thanx. snowblink, thanx.
[12:17] <ali_> ok thanks whiskers, i'm trying to apt-get it
[12:17] <Hmmmm> anyone here tried hoary on a 64 bit amd?
[12:18] <mjr> Hmmmm, yes
[12:18] <yahalom> snowblink, so +r is read obviously?
[12:18] <snowblink> yahalom, yup
[12:18] <mjr> works mostly nicely (eg. hibernating didn't for me, though it worked on my x86 laptop nicely)
[12:18] <jure> yahalom try typing "man chmod"
[12:19] <gordonjcp> Oh well
[12:19] <yahalom> jure, will do
[12:19] <gordonjcp> Thanks for all the help, people
[12:19] <ali_> whiskers> impossible to find gnome-baker, it doesn't seem to be in my repositories, although I have all the hoary repositories (main, restricted, universe, and multiverse)
[12:19] <whiskers> i have nero that came with my equipment but i don't think it qualifies for Nero Linux
[12:19] <whiskers> i think you have to have puchased the professional version
[12:19] <ali_> I'm searching for Gnomebaker, whiskers
[12:20] <locomorto> no you need Nero Reloaded, and it cant be a OEM edition
[12:20] <ali_> not NeroLinux, or maybe you were not talking to me
[12:20] <whiskers> ali_, just go get it from Luke and compile it
[12:20] <gordonjcp> Ubuntu is a great distro, but it just doesn't seem to support my TNT2
[12:20] <Kaiser_essen> gordonjcp or isa ;)
[12:20] <ali_> whiskers> Isn't there a debian package, just for curiosity ??
[12:20] <gordonjcp> Kaiser_essen: ?
[12:20] <Kaiser_essen> without tweaking
[12:20] <locomorto> ali_ its not in any of them
[12:21] <locomorto> ali are you on hoary?
[12:21] <ali_> too sad locomorto
[12:21] <ali_> yes, I am
[12:21] <locomorto> wait 1 sec
[12:21] <whiskers> ali_, yes i think there is a debian package
[12:21] <ali_> however, it isn't on the repositories whiskers
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> gordonjcp: its great, but theres some things it doesnt support properly
[12:21] <whiskers> ali_, so what...just google and go get it
[12:22] <ali_> I'm gonna do it whiskers
[12:22] <gordonjcp> Seveas: pm
[12:22] <ali_> I just wanted to know why Ubuntu didn't get it on its repositories...
[12:22] <locomorto> ali_ add this to /etc/apt/sources.list (while su): deb http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/hoary/gnomebaker/releases/i386/ ./
[12:22] <gordonjcp> Kamping_Kaiser: I don't know why, it works perfectly in Slackware
[12:23] <ali_> thanks locomorto
[12:23] <locomorto> np
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> isa is there, just have to install after. its a bit silly
[12:25] <ali_> Oh, you found your link in the Ubuntu Wiki locomorto :)
[12:25] <ali_> Am I wrong ? :)
[12:25] <locomorto> no, the www.ubuntuguide.org forums
[12:25] <ali_> I found it there, interesting page : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeBaker
[12:27] <Hmmmm> mjr, would you recommend that i download and install hoary RC on my new amd 64 and then upgrade to final?
[12:27] <Hmmmm> based on your experience that is
[12:27] <whiskers> well i have not run hoary long enough to see if it will hold up
[12:28] <whiskers> so far only a few days
[12:28] <mjr> Hmmmm, well, I haven't tried a hoary install, I upgraded my warty - but the RC seems to be good.
[12:28] <Hmmmm> ok
[12:28] <Hmmmm> coz im dying to get uuntu onto my new box
[12:28] <whiskers> Hmmmm, well i tell you....ubuntu is the easiest linux i have ever seen
[12:28] <ali_> mjr> I tried both methods, and I think the result is different when you install than when you upgrade
[12:29] <whiskers> it is extremely easy to install and use...but less flexible than gentoo
[12:29] <ali_> whiskers> hmm.. and Mandrake ? (even if I hate it)
[12:29] <Hmmmm> whiskers, i just wish i could find some good repositories
[12:29] <Hmmmm> then it would all be too easy
[12:30] <whiskers> Hmmmm, who cares about repositories...just get the basics up...and you can go get source for just about anything and compile whatever you want
[12:30] <ali_> locomorto> I tried to resolve http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/hoary/gnomebaker/releases/i386/ with my browser and it returns me a timeout error...
[12:30] <Hmmmm> whiskers, if i wanted source, if just go to gentoo ...
[12:31] <ali_> Hmmmm> Or use Synaptic, a great program to manage your packages
[12:31] <whiskers> Hmmmm, no...gentoo is much much more difficult to use
[12:31] <whiskers> Hmmmm, it takes months to get it installed correctly
[12:31] <whiskers> Hmmmm, hoary only takes about 30 minutes
[12:32] <Hmmmm> ya thats is true
[12:32] <kev0r> :D
[12:32] <locomorto> make sure you have it in the file as "deb http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/hoary/gnomebaker/releases/i386/ ./" without the quotes
[12:32] <Hmmmm> but would you happen to know some good repositories?
[12:32] <kev0r> ok, ubuntu NEEDS IceWm :)
[12:32] <kev0r> almost no internal mem used
[12:32] <kev0r> (l)
[12:32] <Hmmmm> coz iv put a lot of people onubuntu
[12:32] <siimo> Hmmmm, main universe and multiverse? :P
[12:32] <Hmmmm> btw can i download an entire repository and add it is as local one?
[12:33] <locomorto> not a good idea
[12:33] <siimo> Hmmmm, its HUGE maybe 100GB or even bigger
[12:33] <locomorto> you would get alot of diffrent files for version that you dotn need
[12:33] <Hmmmm> ouch!
[12:33] <ali_> locomorto> I didn't try to use apt, I tried to resolve the "address" from my browser
[12:33] <locomorto> and it would not be upto date
[12:33] <ali_> this one : http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/hoary/gnomebaker/releases/i386/
[12:33] <siimo> that is if you include universe
[12:33] <lunitik> siimo: not that big... maybe for all three repo's...
[12:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> kev0r. apt
[12:33] <Hmmmm> but can i burn the stuff iv downloaded from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:33] <kev0r> i'm running aMule, gaim, matlab 'n shit
[12:33] <siimo> lunitik, i believe these source there too on the repos ?
[12:34] <lunitik> siimo: Sid is about 35 gigs right now...
[12:34] <kev0r> 110 mb ram :)
[12:34] <kev0r> used
[12:34] <locomorto> try it using apt
[12:34] <Hmmmm> onto a CD and give it to someone else to add it is a repository?
[12:34] <siimo> ok i over estimated it a bit
[12:34] <ali_> do you think apt will work while the address cannot be resolved ?
[12:34] <ali_> whatever, I try...
[12:35] <cheal> "What happens with the version number in 2100?" -> haha :)
[12:35] <siimo> ali_, try replacing archive.ubuntu.com with <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:35] <Hmmmm> how can i add a local folder as a repository in sources.list?
[12:35] <siimo> cheal, ... ill be dead long before then , i dont care!
[12:35] <ali_> siimo> I can resolve archive.ubuntu.com, it just doesn't have the gnome baker package
[12:36] <ali_> or is <IP_ADDRESS> a new repository ?
[12:36] <fsapo> Hmmmm, i think u can just add a CDROM
[12:36] <siimo> ali_, no its not
[12:36] <ICU> Hmmmm, my sources.list: http://home.1cu.de/~icu/ubuntu/sources.list
[12:36] <ali_> so I don't need it, but thanks however
[12:36] <ali_> locomorto> I can't resolve it by apt-get too.... :(
[12:36] <Hmmmm> ICU thanksa ton dude
[12:36] <locomorto> odd
[12:36] <ali_> deb http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/hoary/gnomebaker/releases/i386/ ./
[12:37] <ali_> 99% [Connexion  people.debian.org (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[12:37] <jiyuu0> ali_, i'm having the same prob
[12:37] <ali_> it stays here, at this point of connexion... and doesn't evolve
[12:37] <ICU> ali: same here ... timouts on people.debian.org
[12:37] <ali_> ok jiyuu0 :)
[12:37] <siimo> ali_, i cant connect to people.debian.org currentlym seems down
[12:37] <locomorto> try it agian tomorrow (i would give you my .deb file, but i cleaned the apt-get cache)
[12:37] <ali_> so am I, ICU and jiyuu0 :)
[12:37] <jiyuu0> ali_, download it manually then install
[12:37] <ali_> no problem locomorto, it was just for test, i still have k3b
[12:38] <ali_> I can't, jiyuu0, the address where the packages are makes a timeout error too
[12:38] <ali_> I'll try another site
[12:38] <ali_> or from the source code on Luke's site
[12:38] <ali_> Let's get compiling :)
[12:41] <jiyuu0> ali_, y not try download from direct link
[12:41] <jiyuu0> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeBaker
[12:41] <ali_> I already tried this, jiyuu0  :)
[12:41] <ali_> try to click on the Ubuntu link, it will make you a timeout
[12:41] <ali_> But there is not any problem about compiling, I'm not chained to debian packages :)
[12:43] <jiyuu0> ali_, have u tried backport?
[12:43] <jiyuu0> seems down also
[12:43] <ali_> backport ?
[12:43] <ali_> I'm already on hoary :)
[12:43] <jiyuu0> hoary's backport
[12:44] <jiyuu0> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:44] <jiyuu0> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:44] <ali_> But hoary is the last version, it's a backport from what exactly ?
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are the backports for?
[12:44] <ali_> The new version after the RC release ??
[12:45] <jiyuu0> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:45] <Jefis> How to get developers packeges, i mean, sources, and so on?
[12:48] <ali_> I've read this and I still do not understand jiyuu0
[12:48] <ali_> If I am on Hoary, the last version, from where are these backported packages coming ?
[12:48] <KarlosII> :>
[12:48] <ali_> A Debian SId distro ?
[12:49] <snowblink> ali_, what are you trying to install?
[12:49] <ali_> I can understand some Hoary packages are backported for Warty which is the precedent release, but for Hoary which is the last one ..?
[12:50] <waxhead> anyone know why when you install the 686 kernel, the 686 modules aren't a dependancy?
[12:50] <ali_> snowblink > The installation is not a problem, I just try to understand the backport concept for hoary
[12:50] <Deft> waxhead, you mean the restricted modules?
[12:50] <waxhead> Deft, hmmm likely.. since it's the madwifi and fglrx modules...
[12:51] <Deft> waxhead, the linux-686 package should depend on the main kernel package and the extras
[12:51] <Deft> which doesn't exist... that is odd
[12:51] <snowblink> ali_, I would guess hoary backports would be coming from the development work happening for hoary+1
[12:52] <ali_> hoary+1 ?
[12:52] <waxhead> Deft, ok.. I picked the 686 kernel, but no dependacies were listed
[12:52] <ali_> Is it the new version Ubuntu devs are working on ?
[12:53] <snowblink> ali_, the release after hoary
[12:53] <waxhead> going to reboot to see if I can tell if the 686 kernel is faster than the 386 version.. :)
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck
[12:53] <Deft> waxhead, you need the linux-restricted-modules-686 package; I don't know why there is no dependency package to install it at the moment
[12:54] <Deft> waxhead, there really should be a linux-686, to match linux-k7 etc, but it seems to be awol
[12:54] <corza> Just wondering, is there a Linux Magazine in Australia?
[12:54] <ali_> thanks snowblink, I didn't know they were already workin' on
[12:57] <borup> should the new fast boot/init scripts be default in hoary, or do I need to install a new package
[12:58] <jc-denton> where can i submit a bug for ubuntu?
[12:59] <snowblink> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:59] <Seveas> jc-denton, bugzilla for packages in main, malone for universe
[12:59] <jc-denton> no reportbug?
[12:59] <jc-denton> what is malone?
[12:59] <whiskers> hey how come there is no Freemat in synaptic for people who cannot afford matlab
[12:59] <queuetue> I have a server-only (custom) ubuntu install.  Does anyone know how I change the size of the console font?
[01:00] <yahalom> anyone here switched from debian to ubuntu?
[01:01] <Deft> yahalom, I did, when warty was released
[01:01] <jc-denton> in aterm there seems to be no support for umlauts
[01:01] <Deft> whiskers, how about gnu octave?
[01:01] <jc-denton> in the debian version of aterm it just worked
[01:01] <snowblink> queuetue, not answering your question, but how are you finding Ubuntu as a server?
[01:01] <yahalom> Deft, would u recommend ubuntu over debian?
[01:02] <waxhead> yahalom, yep
[01:02] <Deft> yahalom, if you want to use your comp as a gnome desktop, definitely
[01:02] <whiskers> Deft, i will have to look into that one...but first we have to get Freemat working to go with gimpshop
[01:02] <yahalom> waxhead, y?
[01:02] <waxhead> yahalom, basically it sit's on debian anyway.. just "nicer" as a desktop
[01:02] <yahalom> Deft, only reason?
[01:02] <waxhead> yahalom, all the benefit of debian, with a desktop focus that seems to just work
[01:03] <waxhead> yike.. that's a bit salesy.... :(
[01:03] <yahalom> waxhead, so ubuntu is basically a nice debian?
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> sort of
[01:03] <waxhead> yahalom, yeah... I'd say so...
[01:03] <Deft> yahalom, well, if you don't want gnome (or kde now), there is probably not a lot of point in uprooting yourself
[01:04] <yahalom> Deft, i have ubuntu, just was curious about debian, someone tried to persuade me
[01:04] <waxhead> I use debian on my servers.. running stable.. but ubuntu rocks my world on my laptop
[01:04] <yahalom> Deft, would u recommend ubuntu for a business?
[01:05] <yahalom> Deft, and servers?
[01:05] <maddler> who could give me a couple hints for mkinitrd?
[01:06] <gordonjcp> is it possible that the Riva TNT2 just isn't supported by *something* in Ubuntu?
[01:06] <yahalom> anyone know how i can update my thunderbird to 1.0.2?
[01:07] <maddler> yahalom: apt-get or synaptic
[01:07] <queuetue> snowblink, the install is only 3 hours old, but I've been using hoary as a development server/workstation for  afew weeks, and it's great.
[01:07] <Deft> yahalom, business probably but no experience, never tried for a serious server
[01:08] <yahalom> maddler, how would i update it through apt-get, i have 1.0.1
[01:08] <yahalom> Deft, thanx man
[01:08] <snowblink> queuetue, thanks. Am going to setup a rails server and was going to use Hoary
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> thunderbird or firefox?
[01:08] <yahalom> thunderbird
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont think the latest thunderbird is ready for ubuntu yet
[01:09] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, risky?
[01:09] <queuetue> snowblink, (IMHO), rails is clever for the first 1-2 hours of development, but then leaves you flat.  You may walso want to give webware/sqlobject a shot.
[01:09] <queuetue> not that you asked.
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom, no you just have to do it from source
[01:09] <snowblink> queuetue, heh - I'm a ruby nut. That's why I took this job!
[01:10] <queuetue> Best of luck to you, then. :)
[01:10] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, if it will be available soon then i'll wait, if not i'll do it from source. is it going to be updated soon?
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i expect so, but i cant promice. im not in those circles.
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.0 i s what i have atm. its fine for me
[01:12] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, i'm just having serious dictionary probs
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh. what dictionary?
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> not that i can help
[01:13] <yahalom> english_us
[01:13] <hhartz> can somebody point me to an URL on how to use the Live CD?
[01:13] <yahalom> it wont let me install it, always saying access denied
[01:13] <yahalom> i have all priviliges on it
[01:13] <hhartz> I'm supposed to be able to use an USB stick to have my home folder on right?
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hhartz. put it in.
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i think yes
[01:17] <pcj600> en1 know how to get smb on ubuntu
[01:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get
[01:18] <Deft> pcj600, just need to install the samba packages
[01:18] <Deft> pcj600, assuming you want to set up as a server that is, nautilus will connect to smb shares anyway
[01:19] <pcj600> i can find it with sinaptic
[01:19] <pcj600> cant
[01:20] <Deft> it's just called "samba", a search should show it...
[01:20] <pcj600> nope i tryed
[01:21] <whiskers> how do i uninstall audacity since it does not work here
[01:21] <Deft> pcj600, using hoary?
[01:21] <pcj600> sinaptic
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> smbclient
[01:21] <crimsun> whiskers: how does it not work?
[01:21] <whiskers> crimsun, it says it cannot initialize the i/o layer...but then comes up without audio
[01:22] <whiskers> crimsun, so maybe it was compiled wrong or something
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> pcj600
[01:22] <whiskers> crimsun, so i would like to uninstall it...and go get the source and try that
[01:22] <crimsun> whiskers: did you pkill esd before you started audacity?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> pcj600
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install samba samba-common smbclient
[01:22] <crimsun> whiskers: afaik, it works fine under Hoary
[01:22] <whiskers> crimsun, i never had to do that on gentoo
[01:23] <whiskers> crimsun, i will try
[01:23] <crimsun> whiskers: gentoo probably doesn't use esd by default...
[01:23] <whiskers> crimsun, yes i used esd
[01:23] <crimsun> whiskers: was it set to release the sound device?
[01:24] <yahalom> anyone switched from fedora to ubuntu?
[01:24] <whiskers> crimsun, ok pkill esd fixed the problem
[01:24] <whiskers> crimsun, but why
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom sort of. havent used fedora since 1
[01:24] <pcj600> cvs build-essential bison flex-old libasound2-dev x-window-system-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg62-dev libfreetype6-dev libxrender-dev libttf2 libttf-dev libsdl1.2-dev libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-gfx1.2-dev msttcorefonts libfontconfig1-dev
[01:24] <crimsun> whiskers: because by default, esd isn't set to release the device
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> been using doze in the mean time
[01:25] <CarlK> what is "dist-upgrade" ?
[01:25] <whiskers> crimsun, ok..how do i change that
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> dist upgrade
[01:25] <crimsun> whiskers: you could modify /etc/esound/esd.conf
[01:25] <whiskers> crimsun, ok let me take a look
[01:25] <CarlK> I  have no dist
[01:25] <Petrov> hello, i have a question: can I install ubuntu on hd of 1.2 GB ??
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> distribution
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> carlk dist-upgrade == upgrade OS
[01:26] <Deft> CarlK, dist-upgrade upgrades packages even when it involves installing/uninstalling others, it's used for major changes to the distribition
[01:26] <CarlK> trying to do: "and run a dist-upgrade (or 'Smart Upgrade') " -
[01:27] <Petrov> can I install ubuntu on hd of 1.2 GB ??
[01:27] <siimo> Petrov, yes but not everything
[01:27] <whiskers> crimsun, do you know the gentoo defualt options for esd to release when another app needs it
[01:27] <whiskers> needs dsp
[01:27] <crimsun> whiskers: no idea, but it might be on gentoo's cvsweb
[01:28] <whiskers> crimsun, ok i will have to dig around
[01:28] <whiskers> crimsun, but thanks.
[01:28] <Petrov> siimo :  only the instal cd?
[01:28] <siimo> Petrov, depends what you need
[01:28] <CarlK> is there a apt-get command version of smart-update?
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[01:28] <jc-denton> i have a question
[01:28] <siimo> Petrov, probably stay away from kde/gnome if you need a desktop
[01:29] <jc-denton> i installed both, ubuntu's aterm and that one from debian sarge
[01:29] <Petrov> simmo : on a computer of 32 ram and 166 Mhz?
[01:29] <jc-denton> umlauts dont work on it
[01:29] <jc-denton> but on uxterm they work
[01:29] <jc-denton> also in gnome-terminal
[01:29] <waxhead> re
[01:29] <jc-denton> why can this be?
[01:29] <berkes> ive  got a hardwarequestion, not so very ubuntu-specific, though
[01:29] <waxhead> 686 kernel to boot too!
[01:30] <CarlK> Petrov - m instal used 1.4G, and I think about .2 is something like cached .deb files that can be removed, but you won't be too happy
[01:30] <berkes> sudo ifconfig gives me a mac address of 00:00 etc (only zero) for eth0
[01:30] <berkes> anyone any idea where i can change/reset that?
[01:30] <CarlK> Petrov - you should do a "server" install (300Meg) and then apt-get just what you want
[01:31] <Petrov> ok thx
[01:31] <snowblink> Petrov, my official warty CD set says 350MB minimal, 1.8GB standard
[01:32] <waxhead> berkes, is you nic recognised?
[01:32] <CarlK> I installed on a P1-266, 96mb - it "works"
[01:32] <Petrov> snowblink: thx
[01:33] <berkes> waxhead: i am noob, how would i know that?
[01:33] <berkes> waxhead: o, wait, you mean my irc nic?
[01:35] <borup> berkes: that would be nick not nic
[01:35] <berkes> yea, thought so :)
[01:35] <Deft> has anyone tried a cd based upgrade with a hoary test cd?
[01:36] <Deft> nic = Network Interface Card
[01:38] <borup> shouldn't the hoary init script be a lot faster?
[01:39] <Petrov> i have the install cd and how I can choose for minimal?
[01:39] <borup> my labtop seems to be booting even slower that before the upgrade
[01:39] <deFrysk> Petrov, check the options when booting the cd
[01:40] <CarlK> trying to test Daniel
[01:40] <CarlK>  1.0.7174 nvidia package, but it isn't showing up in synaptic - is there an apt-get way of doing this?
[01:40] <martin> SERVER irc.linuxfromscratch.org
[01:40] <Petrov> defrysk, ok
[01:40] <Petrov> thx
[01:40] <Deft> CarlK, nvidia-glx in hoary is that version I think
[01:41] <Deft> CarlK, no, I was wrong
[01:41] <CarlK> wait.. found it (used 'search')...
[01:43] <CarlK> still not sure about the dist-upgrade (or 'Smart Upgrade') thing
[01:45] <elcu> could someone help me with ati driver install?
[01:46] <ali_> elcu> do you know the ati driver specific name ?
[01:47] <andrek> when i'm to build kernel sources, where is the place called "workin directory".. ? i'm not quite following here..
[01:47] <elcu> i think i found a solution.  thanks anyway.
[01:48] <whiskers> well i just that just about covers the hardware basics here....so i just have to wait to see how stable this is going to be over time
[01:48] <ruffian> Hi, i am trying to run a server. But i think the firewall is stopping everyone outside from accessing it
[01:48] <ruffian> how do i open a port?
[01:50] <deFrysk> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050404#1 isnt that nice :)
[01:51] <CarlK> what does it take to get apt to use a proxy? (squid is setup, just need to tell apt to use it)
[01:54] <whiskers> i think that article is overly pessimistic on autopackage....it may become quite useful in the future
[01:55] <whiskers> theoretically it will allow removal and insertion of packages
[01:55] <meng> kinda stinks when gaim never really releases .debs of the latest versions
[01:56] <meng> is there a way to have autopackage with ubuntu?
[01:56] <deFrysk> whiskers, its just yet another packaging system
[01:56] <whiskers> meng, there probably is but it may take a different set of repositories
[01:56] <deFrysk> yaps
[01:57] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> should I just use the flgrx files found in synaptic or get the ones from ati.com for my ati card ?
[01:57] <queuetue> svnadmin help
[01:57] <meng> go for the ati ones
[01:57] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> is it easier to install ?
[01:57] <whiskers> deFrysk, yes it is but can synaptic remove packages or do you have to use the old rm -rf
[01:58] <deFrysk> autopakaged pack can be removed with autopackage
[01:59] <whiskers> deFrysk, yes that is what i thought
[01:59] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> meng is it easy to install the ati ones ? I just switched over from suse 9.2
[01:59] <meng> now, i think apt isn't enough these days
[01:59] <im_ka> hi
[01:59] <whiskers> there is one thing that i feel needs to be worked on by ubuntu devs and that is subfs
[02:00] <meng> i never had sucessfully installed the drivers
[02:00] <im_ka> how's the hoary rc? my laptop just got fixed and i don't know if i wanna wait til the end of the week
[02:00] <meng> once, my whole x just went down hard
[02:00] <deFrysk> whiskers, ask in #ubuntu-motu
[02:00] <whiskers> deFrysk, ok thanks for the advice
[02:01] <meng> is there a channel for ubuntu and ati cards?
[02:03] <Daehlie> anybody know how to change the text size of subtitles in vlc, the blood text takes up half the picture and gets badly truncated on long lines
[02:03] <ali_> meng> if you have a question about ubuntu and ati, just ask it there
[02:03] <huhe> i dont mean to be inappropriate or anything but something untcontrollable is happening there is a party in my pants
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> who knows where the SSH server config file is kept?
[02:04] <Seveas> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[02:04] <im_ka> Kamping_Kaiser probably in /etc
[02:05] <garrut> Kamping_Kaiser: did you even look before asking that?
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks seveas
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. for a long time. in man ssh and man sshconfig
[02:06] <LarsG> any suggestions on why I haven't got any sound on flash anims?
[02:06] <huhe> garrut he go the answer to his question do you insist that people not assist other people but look up everything themselves ?  i dont think you'd have the sheer volume of people on freenode if people didn't help each other
[02:06] <Seveas> Kamping_Kaiser, all config files are kept in /etc
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[02:06] <huhe> btw, man pages are the hardest to interpret being made for programmers
[02:07] <meng> anyone here knows a good multimedia plugin for hoary
[02:07] <waxhead> not to mention, actually finding the right man page (command)
[02:07] <meng> i can't seem to get VLC or mozplugger to work
[02:07] <waxhead> but apropos tries to help there..
[02:08] <whiskers> LarsG, well i had gnuflash working on gentoo but i don't bother with that stuff anymore
[02:08] <waxhead> does anyone have a /dev/video ?
[02:08] <huhe> i spent $600 on a education.  LPI certification.  after what experience i have had here i am going to retire my dedicated linux box which i can't get rid of with awesome specs
[02:08] <whiskers> LarsG, i don't use the web very much except google and slashdot and they don't require gnuflash
[02:08] <ruffian> Is there a way to search if a process is running?
[02:08] <Seveas> ruffian, try ps
[02:09] <Seveas> ps -A | grep processname
[02:09] <ruffian> Seveas: Yes i know, ps ...ps aux
[02:09] <waxhead> ps aux | grep -i processname
[02:09] <LarsG> whiskers, thanks.. but there are also some videos without sound, and a dev. language I use.. (BlitzMax)
[02:09] <nydust> what do this mean Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/compiere/Compiere
[02:09] <ruffian> Ah ok, thank you
[02:09] <Seveas> nydust, that you dont have the Compiere class
[02:09] <CarlK> ps -C processname
[02:09] <waxhead> nydust, you don't have the required class in your class path
[02:10] <Insom> .......
[02:10] <waxhead> Seveas, do you have /dev/video or /dev/video0?
[02:11] <Seveas> nope
[02:11] <ruffian> Is it possible to reboot/restart a process?
[02:11] <Seveas> i do have video1394 though
[02:11] <Seveas> firewire thing
[02:11] <waxhead> ruffian, yeah...
[02:11] <ruffian> waxhead: command?
[02:11] <Seveas> ruffian, you can kill it with kill
[02:11] <waxhead> /etc/init.d/(progam name) restart
[02:11] <Seveas> waxhead, that's just for services...
[02:11] <ruffian> Seveas: yea i can do that, but just wondering if i can restarting
[02:12] <waxhead> Seveas, true... bad assumption
[02:12] <Seveas> cause normal programs don't have initscripts :)
[02:12] <libben> why is xchat in todays updates? its the same version that is allready installed..... so anyone?
[02:12] <ckiewiet> hi all
[02:12] <ruffian> ok
[02:12] <ckiewiet> I am currently on Ubuntu 4.10, warty
[02:12] <waxhead> ruffian, it depends on what you are expecting it to do.. if it's to re-read a config then -HUP works
[02:12] <ckiewiet> is there a way to update to 5.04
[02:12] <ckiewiet> via apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:12] <ckiewiet> or something?
[02:12] <waxhead> Seveas, yeah, that's what I have here
[02:12] <Seveas> libben,  xchat (2.4.1-0.1ubuntu4) hoary; urgency=low
[02:12] <Seveas>  .
[02:12] <Seveas>    * debian/patches/37_input_method_tab.patch:
[02:12] <Seveas>      - patch from the CVS to fix an issue with the input method on tab switches
[02:12] <Seveas>        (Hoary: #8514).
[02:13] <waxhead> I'm needing of a /dev/video for the v4l to work so I can at least try playing iwth my webcam
[02:13] <venkman> so
[02:13] <Seveas> so there is a patch to xchat :)
[02:13] <venkman> how well does ubuntu work on laptops
[02:13] <Seveas> venkman, very well
[02:13] <seb128> Seveas: is that an issue with that patch ?
[02:13] <Seveas> (i'm an a laptop right now)
[02:13] <waxhead> venkman, tops!  I'm running it on my Dell 9100
[02:13] <LarsG> I'm running hoary on my laptop..
[02:13] <LarsG> IBM Thinkpad T42
[02:13] <Seveas> seb128, no, libben was wondering why xchat was in the updates
[02:13] <venkman> do those that maintain packages for ubuntu maintain a group of them or just a single package or how does that work
[02:13] <waxhead> I'm on hoary now.. lots of updates.. but I had warty working fine.. even the ATI card
[02:14] <venkman> yea, i'm running on hoary on my desktop
[02:14] <Seveas> waxhead, ati works finer with hoary :)
[02:14] <venkman> but i had to do some fixage to one of the packages.
[02:14] <waxhead> venkman, you click on system them admin, and then synaptic... and it's tops..
[02:14] <ruffian> I will brb
[02:14] <venkman> waxhead, that's not what i mean.
[02:14] <venkman> waxhead, i wanted to know who maintains the nvidia-glx package.
[02:14] <waxhead> Seveas, works well enough for me... killing a friend of mine who's using mandrake...
[02:15] <waxhead> venkman, check the details in synaptic
[02:15] <whiskers> i still don't know if i prefer win98 or linux since win98 is already paid for.
[02:15] <Seveas> venkman, try apt-cache show nvidia-glx
[02:15] <Seveas> it's Daniel Stone btw
[02:15] <huhe> after mandrake ubuntu was my last resort
[02:15] <waxhead> isn't venkman the javascript debugger?
[02:15] <waxhead> huhe, ubuntu rocks my world!!!
[02:15] <nydust> Seveas, what is a Class?
[02:15] <venkman> waxhead, or the ghosstbuster
[02:16] <whiskers> if i had not bought win98....linux would be the clear choice...but once a cost is sunk...i really wonder if it makes any difference because win98 is quite fast
[02:16] <venkman> peter venkman
[02:16] <venkman> waxhead, don't cross the streams.
[02:16] <waxhead> nydust, not done much java?
[02:16] <huhe> i'm just a little disappointed with the group of people drinking beer and obsessing about bogomips
[02:16] <Seveas> nydust, in the case of your error: a piece of the java program
[02:16] <whiskers> and nearly everything runs on win98 or linux
[02:16] <nydust> waxhead,  no i just install apps and use the, i am not a programer
[02:16] <venkman> waxhead, basically, the nvidia-glx package doesn't create the symlink necessary to link to the correct libGL.so
[02:17] <waxhead> whiskers, horses for courses... I have xp as the dual boot on my laptop.. it never gets booted. but its' there when the wife needs it
[02:17] <waxhead> nydust, simply put, your app is looking for an external "library" and it's not there
[02:17] <whiskers> waxhead, well i saw xp on someone elses computer and i cannot stand it
[02:17] <venkman> waxhead, i figured this out when glxinfo wasn't resolving some symbols and then when i did ldd on it.
[02:17] <whiskers> i can't stand winme, 2k or xp
[02:17] <venkman> furthermore, my box was unexplicitely locking up completely
[02:18] <tyreth> Hi, I've installed cups but I can't see my printer in the kde list of printers.  Is there a way to install extra drivers?
[02:18] <venkman> and i was giong 10fps in wolf3d with a geforce ti 4600
[02:18] <venkman> i wanted to vomit.
[02:18] <whiskers> they have the system restore stuff that gets in everythings way
[02:18] <nydust> hmm
[02:18] <venkman> tyreth, kde has a control panel you can add printers with.
[02:18] <SiRrUs> hello guys
[02:18] <whiskers> also win98 seems to be the fastest booting of them all
[02:19] <meng> DOS is even faster
[02:19] <waxhead> 8777 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1755.400 FPS
[02:19] <waxhead> 8785 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1757.000 FPS
[02:19] <waxhead> 8748 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1749.600 FPS
[02:19] <tyreth> venkman, I know that - the printer model isn't in there.
[02:19] <tyreth> venkman, There are a lot of canon printers, but not the i470d
[02:19] <venkman> tyreth, did you install the foomatic?
[02:19] <tyreth> No
[02:19] <venkman> waxhead, what card?
[02:19] <tyreth> venkman, which foomatic package(s) should I install?
[02:20] <whiskers> just try getting a virus on me or 2k or xp and watch it propogate all over that system restore stuff
[02:20] <venkman> tyreth, i can't remember
[02:20] <waxhead> venkman, ati radeon 9600
[02:20] <whiskers> forget it
[02:20] <ruffian> Hello, i am trying to run a server...and allow remote access to it. But i think the firewall is rejecting the connections
[02:20] <venkman> tyreth, you might want to check the database
[02:20] <venkman> waxhead, hmm is that supposed to be faster or slower than ti4600, i'm no 3d expert
[02:20] <tyreth> venkman, the foomatic database?
[02:20] <CarlK> ruffian - there is no firewall
[02:21] <CarlK> venkman - there also is no sshd
[02:21] <venkman> http://www.linuxprinting.org/
[02:21] <CarlK> venkman?
[02:21] <tyreth> ta
[02:21] <waxhead> venkman, dunno.. it's fast enough for me.. :)
[02:21] <ruffian> Carlk: I thought there is a firewall built into kernel?
[02:21] <venkman> CarlK, you can enable ssh
[02:21] <huhe> some odd phenonema is happening to me.  everytime i enter a car i hear a horn.
[02:21] <CarlK> ruffian - you need to apt-get install openssh-server
[02:21] <venkman> waxhead, i don't even play games :P i got it free.
[02:22] <ruffian> Carlk: Then why would it reject connection? Basicly i am testing out an ircd
[02:22] <venkman> waxhead, my friend used to be one of the top 10 in the usa for quake 3
[02:22] <waxhead> venkman, hahaha.. I got it with the laptop... of course I had to pay for it...
[02:22] <venkman> haha
[02:22] <venkman> yea
[02:22] <ruffian> Carlk: Do i need to open a port?
[02:22] <venkman> he won the cad
[02:22] <venkman> card
[02:22] <venkman> ruffian, there's no firewalls built into ubuntu unless you load firestarter
[02:22] <waxhead> venkman,  the idea was that'd I'd play a game.. V8 supercars.. of course it hasn't been installed
[02:22] <venkman> or learn to use iptables
[02:22] <waxhead> fireHOL
[02:22] <venkman> waxhead, hah, what games are there for linux these days?
[02:23] <ruffian> ok
[02:23] <CarlK> ruffian - I am guessing your ircd istn't "up"
[02:23] <waxhead> I installed it, but haven't taken a look at it yet
[02:23] <waxhead> bzflag
[02:23] <SandBender> have any of you tried compiling a new kernel for ubuntu?
[02:23] <venkman> waxhead, any good?
[02:23] <waxhead> SandBender, nah... there's generally one that does the job already packaged
[02:23] <ruffian> CarlK; I have configured the ircd.conf...and it's running in the background fine. I can connect through <IP_ADDRESS> , but not an ip
[02:23] <waxhead> venkman, yeah it's a bit of a hoot...
[02:24] <venkman> hmm
[02:24] <SiRrUs> ruffian which ircd you running
[02:24] <venkman> waxhead, i'll go try it out in like... 3 weeks
[02:24] <waxhead> Linux roo 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Fri Apr 1 16:48:32 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:24] <venkman> waxhead, i plan to graduate school
[02:24] <venkman> YAY me ;)
[02:24] <ruffian> SiRrUs: ircd-hybrid
[02:24] <waxhead> venkman,  oh right...
[02:24] <waxhead> prolly best idea, since it's a real time waster!
[02:24] <ruffian> SiRrUs: It did the same thing, when i tired other ircd...e.g Bahamut
[02:25] <waxhead> I installed it the other night and lost the whole evening.. it was 1am before I knew it...
[02:25] <ruffian> It's always refusing connection
[02:25] <SiRrUs> ruffian did you get Bahamut to work
[02:25] <ruffian> SiRrUs: No i get the same error message: Connection failed. Error: Connection refused
[02:25] <venkman> waxhead, haha, dude, i've been up for 24 hours in a row for a few days a week now
[02:26] <venkman> waxhead, i have a thesis due tonight at 8pm
[02:26] <ruffian> It's refusing connection for some reason
[02:26] <waxhead> venkman, not a good thing to do...
[02:26] <SandBender> dang, yah it works great except it freezes at a random time if I am useing my wlan card
[02:26] <venkman> waxhead, dude, i know... my weight... is horrible.
[02:26] <SiRrUs> ruffian I am running Ultimate it seems to work ok
[02:26] <venkman> waxhead, and i'm not sharp
[02:26] <tyreth> venkman, now that I installed somemore foomatic packages (some were installed already) I can see no printers available.
[02:26] <waxhead> venkman, well, you're doing the right thing to get it finished then... :)
[02:26] <venkman> tyreth, it appears your printer isn't listed as supported yet.
[02:26] <venkman> http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Canon
[02:26] <SandBender> I serched around and it looks like I need to either turn of atpi or increase the kernal cache to 16k
[02:26] <ruffian> SiRrUs: You didn't have to configure anything apart from the .conf file?
[02:27] <tyreth> venkman, No, there's *no* printer drivers there.  Nothing.  For any make or model.
[02:27] <venkman> tyreth, restart cups
[02:27] <tyreth> Tried that
[02:27] <tyreth> Restarted computer, even :)
[02:27] <venkman> tyreth, /etc/init.d/cups restart
[02:27] <venkman> crap
[02:27] <venkman> get support on ubuntu forums :P
[02:27] <SiRrUs> ruffian sure the ircd.conf the ircd ini
[02:27] <tyreth> If I try to connect to cups (http://localhost:631) no username or password works.  even if I give root a password
[02:28] <SiRrUs> services
[02:28] <tyreth> How can I connect to the cups interface properly?
[02:28] <SandBender> so I compiled a new kernel with a 16k patch, it compiles fine but then when I try to boot from it it says kernel panic, vfs error unable to load file system, I checked and the grub load is pointing to the right place...not sure what the prob is
[02:28] <venkman> waxhead, after this i hope to be ready for some good ole open-source contributions... i was contributing to tar earlier this year.
[02:28] <waxhead> venkman, cool... me I just procrastinate
[02:28] <ruffian> SiRrUS: sure the ircd.conf the ircd ini? What do you mean?
[02:28] <venkman> tyreth, take a look at /etc/cups.conf or wherever it is
[02:28] <venkman> waxhead, :)
[02:29] <venkman> tyreth, i wonder if ubuntu keeps backups like debian, lemme check
[02:29] <ruffian> SiRrUS: The ports are opened and binded to the ip
[02:29] <waxhead> venkman, I'm a highlevel language person though, not a fan of languages where you have to do so much "ground" work...
[02:30] <SiRrUs> ruffian you asked me if I had to configure anything apart from the conf file. I said sure  the ircd conf  the ircd.ini  the services conf
[02:30] <venkman> tyreth, if it edited yor cupsd.conf file then you can restore it by copying over it from /var/backup
[02:30] <Sav> Anyone know why BlueFish cant save files over 380 rows correctly?
[02:30] <venkman> tyreth, then uninstall those foomatic
[02:30] <venkman> waxhead, you like java?
[02:30] <venkman> <3 java
[02:30] <ruffian> SiRrUs: Ok. I don't think there is a .ini file, but i will check
[02:30] <venkman> i did most of my programming in java, php and c++
[02:31] <waxhead> venkman, ummm not really... perl :)
[02:31] <venkman> mmm perl
[02:31] <venkman> i refuse to learn it,but i should
[02:31] <venkman> the syntax used to scare me, then php was like lube
[02:31] <venkman> and then bash scripts were the last straw
[02:31] <kbrooks> venkman, learn it.
[02:32] <venkman> yea, but i'm so used to c, pl/sql, etc
[02:32] <waxhead> venkman, haha.. bash scripts.. you do it because you have to, otherwise it's perl  :)
[02:32] <venkman> waxhead, man, bash syntax is horrid
[02:32] <kbrooks> venkman, well, i can help you.
[02:32] <kbrooks> can i pm ya, venkman
[02:32] <venkman> kbrooks, :) not this week, but maybe another time
[02:33] <venkman> i could write a quick web-app or something in it and probably know enough to be dangerous
[02:33] <waxhead> venkman, php is ok....
[02:33] <waxhead> venkman, php?
[02:33] <venkman> waxhead, perl
[02:33] <venkman> waxhead, php is just sooo easy
[02:33] <Seveas> perl is icky
[02:33] <ali_> python too can be used :)
[02:33] <whiskers> i am surprised how wd did a fairly good job of getting usb2.0 support in win98
[02:33] <Seveas> python is sooo much cleanr than perl
[02:34] <ali_> oh yeah
[02:34] <venkman> what about ruby?
[02:34] <ali_> and soooo soooo sooo much cleaner than C, for app programming
[02:34] <Seveas> ruby is nice too
[02:34] <waxhead> venkman, true I guess.. but I'm not a fan of php's ldap, perls ldap module just rocks... I struggle with java's ldap syntax too...
[02:35] <waxhead> Seveas, I haven't looked at python, but hten I'm not a fan of  a language that forces tabbing in syntax...
[02:35] <ali_> waxhead> Use PEAR packages if LDAP package doesn't convince you
[02:35] <Seveas> waxhead, no tabbing, just spaces
[02:35] <whiskers> but anyway i guess people will use whatever they like
[02:35] <ali_> so you're not fan of tidiness and organization, waxhead
[02:35] <Seveas> waxhead, and that is one of the reasons python is so much cleaner :
[02:35] <Seveas> :)
[02:35] <venkman> waxhead, ahh, i never have done anything with ldap except configure mail server stuff
[02:35] <waxhead> Seveas, sure.. but still
[02:35] <nydust> how do i mount a cue file?
[02:35] <Seveas> you should indent your code anyway...
[02:35] <nydust> or extract it?
[02:35] <Seveas> if you don't => bad programmer
[02:35] <waxhead> ali_, hahaha... I'm waiting for the line noise comment next...
[02:36] <ali_> I agree with Seveas
[02:36] <ali_> waxhead> You are not obliged to be impolite
[02:36] <venkman> tyreth, hey, you MIGHT find a ppd for that printer somewhere if you look for it.... like decompressing the manufacturers drivers and look for it, or possible on a web site found through google
[02:36] <Sav> Is it possible to "mount" ftp server to a folder so i can open its files in eg, a texteditor?
[02:36] <ali_> I just give my opinion as a 4 years old programmer
[02:36] <Seveas> Sav, look at LUFS, or use nautilus for that :)
[02:37] <Seveas> ali_, 4 years isn't that much as programmer :)
[02:37] <waxhead> Seveas, I do, always have. but I'm fond of the bracing for blocks of code
[02:37] <venkman> tyreth, http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/canon-list/2003q4/001251.html
[02:37] <Sav> Seveas, with nautilus i cant open/save files?
[02:37] <ali_> when u are 18, yes, Seveas ;)
[02:37] <Seveas> waxhead, bracing is nice too
[02:37] <ali_> And anyway, I don't say it is much, I just say... it is.
[02:37] <venkman> ali_, :) i've been at it for a long ass time ;)
[02:37] <ali_> I prefer tabs to bracing
[02:37] <waxhead> ali_, 4 years old huh?  I'm impressed with the fine motor skills :)
[02:38] <ali_> ok
[02:38] <ali_> So I think I'd better leave now
[02:38] <venkman> i like bracing
[02:38] <ali_> goodbye.
[02:38] <venkman> bye bye ali
[02:38] <waxhead> bracing makes it easy in IDE's... actually, I must try the syntax highlighting for python....
[02:38] <waxhead> hahaha... soft...
[02:38] <venkman> soft?
[02:38] <Seveas> IDE?
[02:38] <Seveas> vim is an excellent IDE :)
[02:38] <Seveas> :!make
[02:39] <Seveas> :)
[02:39] <venkman> Seveas, emacs is better if you use gdb
[02:39] <waxhead> ali_, left iwth little provocation...
[02:39] <Seveas> emacs, yegh
[02:39] <venkman> but i hate emacs
[02:39] <waxhead> emacs is a nightmare...
[02:39] <Seveas> gdb, more yegh
[02:39] <waxhead> mind you when you watch someone who knows it.. amaizing!
[02:39] <Seveas> waxhead, same goes for vim :)
[02:39] <venkman> mmm vim
[02:39] <waxhead> Seveas, yeah.. I'm ok in vim...
[02:40] <venkman> there's all kinds of shortcuts in vim
[02:40] <waxhead> Seveas, so much to learn still
[02:40] <venkman> Seveas, you use :split?
[02:40] <Seveas> venkman, extensively :)
[02:40] <Seveas> :sp is shorter :)
[02:40] <waxhead> venkman, and that's the big thing.. get round to learning them...
[02:40] <venkman> waxhead, oh yea, there's a crapton to learn
[02:40] <Seveas> waxhead: google for vimbook-OPL
[02:40] <Seveas> and read the Vim Book :)
[02:41] <Sav> Seveas, i only getting read-only with nautilus, any ideas how to get read/write? (yes i have the permissions on the ftp-account)
[02:42] <Seveas> Sav, hmm, seems like nautilus doesn't support it then, sorry
[02:42] <venkman> Sav, gFTP for you
[02:42] <venkman> Sav, or command line ftp
[02:42] <venkman> or if your 1337, telnet
[02:42] <Seveas> venkman, he wants to EDIT the files
[02:42] <venkman> oh
[02:42] <Sav> php programming
[02:42] <Seveas> WITHOUT explicitly storing them locally
[02:43] <venkman> hmm
[02:43] <venkman> that's why ssh exists
[02:43] <Seveas> that's how I make php's on my server
[02:44] <Sav> ill rather not. im used to "HomeSite" in windows, iv used bluefish until now. isent there any other texteditor with ftp support?
[02:45] <Seveas> Sav, no idea actually, but look at LUFS for mounting ftp sites
[02:45] <venkman> Sav, i believe that your program stores temporary versions of the files locally and uploads them after save or modification
[02:45] <Seveas> venkman, sure it does
[02:45] <Seveas> but the point is that it's transparent
[02:46] <venkman> use webdav?
[02:46] <Seveas> venkman, maybe his server doesn't support it
[02:46] <venkman> ohhh
[02:46] <venkman> he can use mozilla composer!
[02:48] <jono> anyone got a problem with USB mass storage devices being set to read only in hoary?
[02:48] <Albacker> jono
[02:48] <Albacker> I cant even get into it
[02:48] <venkman> jono, lemme check ..
[02:48] <Albacker> even thought I used to enter it.
[02:48] <Albacker> get into __ enter it !
[02:48] <Seveas> jono, does it have an NTFS file system?
[02:48] <jono> no, its vfat - an iriver
[02:49] <jono> I try to create a folder and no luck
[02:49] <Albacker> I used to mount /dev/sda4 now I do :
[02:49] <Albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni # mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda
[02:49] <Albacker> mount: special device /dev/sda4 does not exist
[02:49] <venkman> jono, ok try this.
[02:49] <ubuntoid> xchat update
[02:49] <venkman> jono, System->Admin->User&Groups
[02:49] <venkman> jono, select your username
[02:49] <venkman> jono, Advanced Tab
[02:50] <venkman> jono, click the boxes that apply
[02:50] <venkman> hit ok
[02:50] <jono> ok
[02:50] <Sav> Seveas, /usr/lib/lufs/liblufs-ftp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, unsupported file system: ftp
[02:50] <venkman> jono, i would then logout and back in and try again.
[02:50] <venkman> jono, that was supposed to say "user privs" tab
[02:50] <jono> okm will
[02:51] <jono> try
[02:51] <jono> thanks
[02:52] <nydust> do any one know where i can get the cdemu build for ubuntu?
[02:53] <venkman> what does gnome use to detect devices to put on the desktop
[02:53] <Seveas> pmount
[02:54] <venkman> hmm
[02:54] <venkman> my ipod gets automounted, but never reaches the desktop as a volume
[02:54] <ckiewiet> hey o
[02:54] <venkman> and
[02:54] <ckiewiet> *+`''
[02:54] <venkman> it opens the ipod directory immediatly
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> gnome-volume-manager
[02:54] <ckiewiet> how come I can't use some of the keys on my keyboard
[02:54] <ckiewiet> and: how can I update to 5.04 when I'm on 4.10?
[02:55] <venkman> da_bon_bon, it's already running
[02:55] <nydust> ckiewiet, look here www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:55] <ckiewiet> hohoho
[02:55] <ckiewiet> okay
[02:56] <ciocanel> Hello, I upgraded to hoary and my usb mouse doesn't work, can enyone give me a hint?
[02:56] <ckiewiet> ciocanel, how did you upgrade to hoary
[02:57] <ckiewiet> did you upgrade from warty?
[02:57] <nydust> ckiewiet, yeah,
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> damn! cant find my chemistry book! any hypnotist here who can hlp me, plz :) ! :@ :(
[02:57] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, in yoor bookcase
[02:57] <Seveas> under your bed
[02:57] <Seveas> on yur desk
[02:57] <venkman> da_bon_bon, no, take my adderall, or don't cause it might kill you
[02:57] <Seveas> in your bag
[02:57] <ciocanel> ckiewiet: I edited my sources.list
[02:57] <ckiewiet> oh, what did you add?
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: nah/no/nono ! :(
[02:57] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, /dev/null?
[02:57] <nydust> ckiewiet, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: i wish not! :(
[02:57] <ckiewiet> nydust, the ubuntuguide doesn't show anything about how to update from warty to upgrade
[02:57] <ckiewiet> oh...
[02:57] <waxhead> ckiewiet, change your sources.lst file to hoary and apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:58] <ciocanel> ckiewiet: I replaced warty with hoary
[02:58] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, where did you last use it?
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: on my desk! :( bout a month ago :((
[02:58] <nydust> ckiewiet, look at the link.
[02:58] <nydust> do any here use cdemu?
[02:59] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, behind/under your desk?
[02:59] <Seveas> under the shitload of crap on your desk?
[02:59] <nydust> were can i get the kernel source? for ubuntu 2.6.10?
[02:59] <venkman> nydust, synaptic will have it for you
[02:59] <Seveas> nydust, apt-get source linux-image-your version
[02:59] <ckiewiet> wtf... its like HUGE
[03:00] <venkman> ckiewiet, most women don't complain
[03:00] <ckiewiet> venkman, lol.
[03:00] <ckiewiet> talking about the stuff that dist-upgrade downloads
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: nah
[03:00] <ckiewiet> the package list is 4 MB in size
[03:00] <ckiewiet> and stuff :/
[03:00] <venkman> ckiewiet, from warty to hoary/
[03:00] <venkman> ?
[03:00] <ckiewiet> yes
[03:00] <venkman> ahh
[03:00] <venkman> i imagine it is rather large
[03:01] <ckiewiet> why is it so big ? =(
[03:01] <ckiewiet> 34 seconds remaining o
[03:01] <venkman> ckiewiet, what was it like when you went from windows sp1 to sp2?
[03:01] <da_bon_bon> Seveas: and if i dont get the book, i am screwed coz i have a test tomoro !
[03:02] <ckiewiet> venkman, i never used windows
[03:02] <ckiewiet> so I have no idea :o
[03:02] <venkman> ckiewiet, ever?
[03:02] <ckiewiet> i used win2k once
[03:02] <Seveas> da_bon_bon, keep searching then :)
[03:02] <ckiewiet> for 4 month or so heh
[03:02] <BBB> mako, ping
[03:03] <ckiewiet> k its done
[03:03] <ckiewiet> how do I know if it worked?
[03:03] <ciocanel> How can I insert my usb mouse module in 2.6.10 kernel?
[03:03] <lunitik> ciocanel: it should just load...
[03:03] <ckiewiet> venkman, how do I know if the update worked heh
[03:03] <ciocanel> lunitik: it's not loaded.
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> can someone please help me with this FF problem ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/7i9ogz30.html
[03:04] <venkman> ckiewiet, i went from... apple 2, to dos 3.x, then mac os, then back to windows, then linux, then windows, then linux then windows ...
[03:04] <venkman> ckiewiet, restart
[03:04] <Deft> ciocanel, there is no specific module needed
[03:04] <ciocanel> Deft: yes, but my mouse doesn't work. :-(
[03:05] <ckiewiet> venkman, oic.
[03:05] <ckiewiet> brb =)
[03:05] <Deft> ciocanel, have you tried plugging it back in? or running lsusb?
[03:05] <ciocanel> Deft: lsusb gives me nothing.
[03:06] <Deft> ciocanel, how about "lsmod | grep usb"?
[03:06] <Sp4rKy> hi
[03:06] <ciocanel> Deft: nothing
[03:07] <Deft> ciocanel, that is very strange... you could try "sudo modprobe usbhid" to force it to load
[03:07] <Sp4rKy> what do you think about hoary?
[03:07] <claint> it
[03:07] <Deft> Sp4rKy, it's a huge improvment
[03:07] <claint> it's fine.
[03:07] <ciocanel> Deft: it's not working
[03:08] <Deft> ciocanel, any message? either in the terminal or from dmesg?
[03:08] <kain> mm.. ubuntu gnome doesn't mount automatically cdroms anymore. this since I reinstalled current version of hoary, before, using the preview release it works, any ideas?
[03:08] <ciocanel> Deft: dmesg gives me something, but the mouse is not working
[03:08] <llpamies> Hi !
[03:09] <Deft> ciocanel, is anything about usb mentioned?
[03:09] <llpamies> the dir /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build is provided for any package or sould be created by hand ?
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> why does ubuntu still use .10 kernel ? why not switch over to .11.6 ?!
[03:10] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: our kernels are more .11.x than .10
[03:10] <ciocanel> Deft: yes, usbcore: register new driver...
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: meaning ?!
[03:10] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: and some patches are from -bk, even newer than .11
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: then why not name them that way ? :P
[03:10] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: take a look at the changelog for linux-source-2.6.10
[03:11] <Deft> ciocanel, does anything new appear in dmesg after plugging in the mouse?
[03:11] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: i am not on ubuntu ATM, can u point me to a link ?
[03:11] <Sp4rKy> ciocanel, you can contact seb128 on #ubuntu-fr, he had helped somebody how have a problem with his usb key
[03:11] <ciocanel> Deft: no.
[03:12] <crimsun> da_bon_bon: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10/linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-33/changelog
[03:12] <ciocanel> Sp4rKy: I'll try that.
[03:12] <seb128> Sp4rKy: they are soeaking about an usb mouse
[03:12] <seb128> speaking even
[03:12] <llpamies> The dir /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build is provided for any package or should be created by hand ?
[03:12] <llpamies> I need it for compile a driver !
[03:12] <llpamies> it is a link to /usr/src/linux
[03:13] <Deft> llpamies, do you have the kernel source?
[03:13] <Rene_S> Good Morning
[03:13] <Sp4rKy> llpamies you must install  kernel-source
[03:13] <slask3n> hi =) anyone here knows how to run dualscreen on a nvidia card?
[03:13] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thnks
[03:13] <Sp4rKy> it's 3 pm !
[03:13] <fridge> slask3n, yep
[03:13] <Deft> slask3n, the nvidia documentation explains how
[03:13] <slask3n> where can i find this?
[03:14] <ckiewiet> yo.
[03:14] <slask3n> i installed nvidia from apt-get
[03:14] <ckiewiet> venkman, it didn't work
[03:14] <ckiewiet> this bitch of apt-get is trying to be clever with me :(
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol good morning rene_S?
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> mon, april 4, 22:44
[03:15] <Rene_S> Its 9:15 am here
[03:15] <Deft> slask3n, zless /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/examples/XF86Config.sample.gz might help...
[03:15] <slask3n> mon, april 4, 15:15
[03:15] <Sp4rKy> mon, april 4, 15:20 !
[03:15] <ckiewiet> mon april 4, 3:15 pm
[03:15] <Rene_S> 09:15 AM Monday, April 04 2005
[03:15] <ckiewiet> TBVH.
[03:15] <slask3n> no... 15:15! :p
[03:15] <ckiewiet> my time is the correct one.
[03:15] <Sp4rKy> ok
[03:15] <ckiewiet> and now: does anyone have an explaination for this shit?
[03:16] <claint> why-oh-why : are you a phb?
[03:16] <claint> wrong room
[03:16] <slask3n> Deft: thanks ill look into it :)
[03:16] <Rene_S> Look its a magic trick I am talking to you from your past ....
[03:16] <ckiewiet> oh my god - if only Einstein could see this.
[03:16] <Deft> doesn't everyone run ntpdate at boot? how can people be 5 minutes off?
[03:16] <ckiewiet> it's a miracle - it's unbelievable
[03:16] <ckiewiet> but still: my system is acting clever on me
[03:17] <ckiewiet> it says that it updated successfully
[03:17] <Rene_S> Deft, time isnt accurate. nor linear.
[03:17] <ckiewiet> but it still says Ubuntu Linux 4.10 'Warty Warthdog'
[03:17] <ckiewiet> on boot
[03:17] <Deft> Rene_S, how fast are you moving right now?!
[03:17] <slask3n> Deft: but I dont use Xfree86 :s i use X.org...
[03:17] <Sp4rKy> ntpdate send me an error
[03:17] <Rene_S> Deft, not very, had a long night
[03:17] <ckiewiet> Sp4rKy, then your time is: ER:RO
[03:18] <ckiewiet> I am so FUNNY today.
[03:18] <ckiewiet> yow.
[03:18] <Deft> slask3n, should be the same config, search down to TwinView
[03:18] <slask3n> ok:)
[03:18] <claint> master-sama
[03:18] <claint> dang it
[03:19] <Sp4rKy> in 5 mn, i'll have the hoary installed !
[03:19] <claint> i keep writing in the wrong rrom
[03:20] <slask3n> Deft: where is my settingsfile located?
[03:20] <Deft> slask3n, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:20] <slask3n> thnx again :)
[03:21] <ckiewiet> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[03:21] <ckiewiet> thats the first line in my sources list
[03:21] <Sp4rKy> yes, and ??
[03:21] <ckiewiet> is that a-ok?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[03:21] <Sp4rKy> hi
[03:21] <ckiewiet> and thats the rest:
[03:21] <ckiewiet> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:21] <ckiewiet> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:21] <ckiewiet> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:21] <ckiewiet> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi sp4rky
[03:21] <ckiewiet> is that also ok, when I want to update to hoary?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:21] <Sp4rKy> yes
[03:22] <ckiewiet> then why did it not update to hoary? :)
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> you could include update to
[03:22] <Sp4rKy> apt-get update
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> run that
[03:22] <Sp4rKy> apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:22] <ckiewiet> yes I did that.
[03:22] <Sp4rKy> or use synaptic
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> update first?
[03:22] <Sp4rKy> have you any error message ?
[03:23] <ckiewiet> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 23 not upgraded.
[03:23] <Sp4rKy> i'd started the upgrade an hour ago and it's ok
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are the 23 not upgraded?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> 3 are your kernel...
[03:23] <ckiewiet> are you sure you want me to post them here?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> OH!!
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you going through GUI?
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> kill it and then go through CLI
[03:23] <ckiewiet> neg
[03:24] <nydust> how can i compile a kernel module to my eksisting kernal? I dont have the source
[03:24] <ckiewiet> I am doing that through a terminal Kamping_Kaiser
[03:24] <Sp4rKy> all your lines are uncommented
[03:24] <Sp4rKy> ?
[03:24] <ckiewiet> oui.
[03:24] <andi__> got a question: does warcraft 3 run much better with wine than with cedega?
[03:24] <ckiewiet> wait, do you mean I should disable X before running apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:25] <andi__> i tested it on my pc, and with cedega i cant play it (nearly any fps) and wine works fine
[03:25] <ckiewiet> or is it fine when I do it through the terminal
[03:25] <Sp4rKy> personally, i run it with x
[03:25] <Sp4rKy> and synaptic
[03:26] <ckiewiet> it sucks big wienies :(
[03:26] <Florob> ckiewit: well, my gnome crashed a bit when i upgraded, but it is supposed to work after rebooting
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> not for dist upgrade synaptics not good
[03:26] <krism> to work after rebooting
 not for dist upgrade synapticsto work after rebooting
[03:26] <krism> sorry, accidental clickage
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[03:27] <ckiewiet> LOL
[03:27] <ckiewiet> i didn't change anything - I swear.
[03:27] <ckiewiet> and after a re-run of
[03:27] <ckiewiet> apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:27] <zooko> greetings, people of #ubuntu!
[03:27] <ckiewiet> it says that it has to download another 250 MB
[03:27] <ckiewiet> lol.
[03:28] <ckiewiet> for real: what the FUCK?
[03:28] <Sp4rKy> hoary has about 200MB of package
[03:28] <ckiewiet> k, then I think its like - a-ok
[03:29] <ckiewiet> because the first time I ran apt-get dist-upgrade it downloaded 32 MB
[03:29] <Byakhee> hi
[03:29] <ckiewiet> hi.
[03:29] <ckiewiet> why is my nick so strange after all
[03:29] <venkman> man
[03:29] <venkman> i love usb
[03:29] <knubbze> my realname as ircnick - that's an odd idea somehow heh
[03:30] <Florob> knubbze: well, may depend on where you are from
[03:31] <Sp4rKy> ckiewiet, it's good now ?
[03:31] <Montagh> anyone know how much a celeron 500mhz motherboard is worth?
[03:32] <jiyuu0> can pppoeconf take input of username+password for adsl connection?
[03:32] <waxhead> 50 cent
[03:32] <jiyuu0> or do i have to use rp-pppoe
[03:32] <meng> enough to purchase food for 2 days
[03:32] <billyoc> for your parakeet
[03:32] <Deft> Montagh, I have a celeron 300 and motherboard sitting on my TV... can't think anyone would want it...
[03:33] <Florob> meng: you don't eat a lot do you
[03:33] <knubbze> Florob, what do you mean?
[03:33] <Montagh> hehe im on an old p233
[03:33] <knubbze> I'm from the Netherlands, living in Germany due to work reasons at the moment though
[03:33] <knubbze> what has that to do with my IRC nick lol
[03:34] <Florob> knubbze: well I actually managed to think that was your real name for two seconds, I guess I know to many strage names
[03:34] <Sp4rKy> im on a dell inspiron &&(
[03:34] <Montagh> im 2 lazy to buy a new pc
[03:35] <Sp4rKy> dell inspiron 1150 sorry
[03:36] <Byakhee> quelqu un a test gnomad2 ???
[03:36] <knubbze> Florob, nah, my realname is Christian J. Kiewiet
[03:36] <knubbze> and the nick I had before was ckiewiet
[03:36] <knubbze> heh
[03:36] <Byakhee> oups... somebody ever used gnomad2 ?
[03:37] <YankDownUnder> Anyone tell me how to get my ubuntu box to boot to runlevel 3 instead of 5?
[03:37] <zooko> Does anyone know how to flash a BIOS upgrade with no floppy and no DOS/Windows partition?
[03:37] <Kirsch> zooko: what motherboard?
[03:37] <Kirsch> AMI/Award?
[03:37] <Florob> knubbze: well, i thing I figured that much... well you know you're not supposed to tell your real name on IRC channels, it's bad for your karma, nicht oder?
[03:37] <zooko> asus k8v se
[03:37] <Deft> YankDownUnder, it shouldn't default to 5, although they are mostly the same
[03:38] <zooko> I'm a little unclear -- there is an ASUS BIOS version displayed, as well as an AMIBIOS version displayed.
[03:38] <zooko> Maybe this is ASUS's repackaging of AMI bios ?
[03:38] <Kirsch> zooko: you should check your OEM's site, they usually have instructions how to do it directly from the bios.
[03:38] <YankDownUnder> Deft: I want to boot to console mode instead of GUI/GDM....
[03:38] <Deft> YankDownUnder, ah, debian doesn't do that
[03:38] <knubbze> Florob, ah, this is the official channel of a linux distribution
[03:38] <knubbze> i seriously doubt
[03:38] <lunitik> YankDownUnder: Ubuntu uses runlevel 2 ... 2-5 are exactly the same enless you manually change them...
[03:38] <knubbze> any twisted minds are in here
[03:38] <knubbze> :)
[03:38] <zooko> Kirsch: thanks!  But an OEM is one who builds your computer for you, right?  So I have none.  So I'll read more on the ASUS site.
[03:39] <lunitik> YankDownUnder: you'd edit /etc/inittab though if you really have to  :/
[03:39] <zooko> The reason I'm doing this is that I bought a new 120 GB seagate IDE drive, and it won't go into UDMA5 mode, only UDMA2.
[03:39] <zooko> I thought a BIOS update wouldn't hurt...
[03:39] <zooko> (famous last words?)
[03:39] <berkes> this is sooo odd. php cannot find mysql (mysql_connect() not found errors) bu phpmyadmin runs without problems
[03:39] <kain> zooko, maybe you can try with hdparm?
[03:39] <berkes> ny idea how that can be?
[03:39] <YankDownUnder> lunitik: Just want to get it to console login....
[03:40] <Deft> YankDownUnder, "chmod -x /etc/rc2.d/gdm"?
[03:40] <lunitik> YankDownUnder: then turn off GDM in rc2  :/
[03:40] <Kirsch> zooko: Asus is your OEM ("Original" Equipment Manufactuer)
[03:40] <zooko> I tried with hdparm, it reported that it had set it into UDMA5, but then hdparm or hdparm -i reported that it was currently in UDMA2.
[03:40] <zooko> So then I looked in BIOS and BIOS said that this harddrive can do only up to UDMA2.
[03:40] <zooko> Kirsch: thanks.
[03:40] <lunitik> YankDownUnder: rcconf is probably my favorate tool to do that... apt-get install rcconf
[03:40] <berkes> phpinfo() tells me that the ubuntu PHP package was built wot the config opiotn  '--without-mysql'
[03:41] <Deft> berkes, php cgi or php apache module?
[03:41] <berkes> why would that  be?
[03:41] <berkes> apache module
[03:41] <berkes> afaik
[03:41] <berkes> but i installed phpmyadmin with apt, never done that before.
[03:42] <berkes> so mebby it installed its own php with that?
[03:42] <Deft> worth checking...
[03:43] <Dreamer3> ok, i've been talking about how memory usage keeps leaking on my system till gradually it's unusalbe and i have to reboot... well, all i did was leave it on last night and i swear it went from like 20% memory used to like 75% overnight
[03:43] <Dreamer3> it's not like i have a ton of non-stock stuff running overnight
[03:43] <zooko> Hm.  Maybe it is a cabling issue.  I'm using a cable marked "CD ROM".  I figured CD ROM and IDE hard drive cables were the same..
[03:44] <Dreamer3> zooko: once upon a time :)
[03:44] <zooko> Dreamer3: Okay, I'll go scrounging for a legit IDE cable.  But I still wish to flash my BIOS.
[03:44] <zooko> Dreamer3: how are you measuring the memory usage?
[03:44] <Dreamer3> zooko: free
[03:44] <knubbze> can I ask something completely not Computer related here?
[03:45] <zooko> Dreamer3: I think memory can be "used" in various ways by the kernel so that it doesn't appear in the free pool but it is still available if you need it.
[03:45] <krism> Dreamer3 : RAM can get sucked up by hard disk cache, even if the system isn't "doing" anything.. it will be freed when the system needs it.
[03:45] <zooko> So I think maybe looking at the memory usage stats can be misleading.
[03:45] <krism> yeah, what zooko said.
[03:46] <zooko> However, if you actually experience instability, then obviously something's not right.
[03:46] <Dreamer3> krism: i'm not talking about that
[03:46] <krism> Dreamer3 : then what are you talking about?
[03:46] <lunitik> Dreamer3: having things in memory already beats the hell out of loading it all the time... wouldn't you agree?
[03:46] <Dreamer3> -/+ buffers/cache:     391388     124924
[03:46] <Dreamer3> that first number
[03:46] <Dreamer3> 391388 in use, after subtracting out the cache/buffers
[03:46] <krism> stop looking at that number.
[03:46] <lunitik> Dreamer3: free -m
[03:47] <Dreamer3> lunitik: that just puts it in megabyes... it's 382mb in use...
[03:47] <Dreamer3> last night it was like maybe 150-200mb
[03:47] <Dreamer3> again, we're not couting cache and normal things here
[03:47] <Dreamer3> and if i quit X, that won't go down substantiall
[03:47] <Sp4rKy> bye
[03:47] <Dreamer3> it just goes up over time until the system is unusable
[03:47] <lunitik> Used: 468        Free: 146  *shrug* ... kinda wish it was using more... wouldn't have to wait on so much  :/
[03:48] <Dreamer3> lunitik: i don't mind it using memory, but there is a real problem here
[03:48] <andi__> when will the final version of hoary be out?
[03:48] <lunitik> this month...
[03:48] <zooko> Say, does Ubuntu Hoary with kernel 2.6.10 do SATA on Athlon64 ?
[03:48] <zooko> I could go buy a SATA drive...
[03:49] <zooko> Dreamer3: what are the symptoms of the real problem?  kernel crash?
[03:49] <Dreamer3> hold on i'm going to quit X and see if memory usage goes down
[03:49] <andi__> im using both with prerelease of it
[03:49] <Dreamer3> brb
[03:49] <Dreamer3> zooko: brb
[03:49] <blahrus> zooko: yes all depends on the chipset though
[03:49] <lunitik> Dreamer3: of course it will
[03:49] <earthen> I've lost my tool bar on top and bottom when i started this morning can someone tell me what is wrong or what i need to reinstall
[03:49] <lunitik> X won't be in memory anymore  :/
[03:49] <Dreamer3> lunitik: we'll see
[03:49] <zooko> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-May/msg08187.html
[03:50] <krism> i hate when people ask questions but are unwilling to listen to the ANSWER.
[03:50] <zooko> ^-- geez this is scary
[03:50] <krism> rawr
[03:50] <Sp4rKy> with right click on an existant toolbar, you can't recreate ?
[03:50] <zooko> somebody with same motherboard as me attempted to flash bios and ended up unable to boot from any device even cd rom or floppy...
[03:50] <Dreamer3> ok
[03:50] <earthen> there are no tool bar at all
[03:50] <earthen> they are just gone
[03:51] <Dreamer3> 327mb in X, 221mb outside of X... and before I started X after a fresh reboot 40mb was in use... (again, I'm NOT couting caching, buffers, or normal operation)
[03:51] <blahrus> zooko: thats for fedora core 2
[03:51] <zooko> blahrus: so I should be looking at the South Bridge chipset ? VT8237  I'll google for that and SATA...
[03:51] <Dreamer3> so, where did 180mb of memory go is what i ask?
[03:51] <lunitik> earthen: pkill gnome-panel && gnome panel &
[03:51] <krism> Dreamer3 : you are not looking at the numbers properly.
[03:51] <blahrus> zooko: you just need to double check what sata control your board is using
[03:51] <earthen> i'll try thanks
[03:52] <blahrus> zooko: just put in the cd and boot it, and see if ubuntu find your sata drives
[03:52] <zooko> sata_via version 1.1
[03:52] <zooko> sata_via(0000:00:0f.0): routed to hard irq line 4
[03:52] <zooko> ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE800 ctl 0xE402 bmdma 0xD400 irq 20
[03:52] <Dreamer3> krism: i am, i'm not stupid i've been doing this for years
[03:52] <lunitik> earthen: pkill gnome-panel && gnome-panel &
[03:52] <zooko> blahrus: well, I would like to determine if it is likely to work before I go buy a sata drive.  :-)
[03:52] <lunitik> earthen: my bad... forgot dash... you prolly could have figured that out though  :P
[03:53] <blahrus> zooko: what chipset? nfoce, via, sys, realtek, intel?
[03:53] <zooko> Dreamer3: so what goes wrong with your system if you leave it on a long time.
[03:53] <lunitik> Dreamer3: are you getting a real performance hit?
[03:53] <Dreamer3> krism: gradually (over a few days) memory usages get higher and higher and then intrudes into swap and the system becuase unusalbe (so, it doesn't lock up or oops... just swapping gets to be too much... and i have to reboot)
[03:53] <zooko> blahrus: It's a Via chipset.  VT8237
[03:53] <Dreamer3> lunitik: YES
[03:53] <Dreamer3> lunitik: all my memory disappears and the system starts swapping everything
[03:53] <zooko> Dreamer3: you can measure swapping by observing some numbers -- I forget which ones, describing how many pages had to be swapped.
[03:54] <lunitik> 06:54:18 up 6 days, 11:55,  2 users,  load average: 2.16, 2.12, 2.09
[03:54] <lunitik> No issue here... then I do have a lot more RAM...
[03:54] <earthen> well i'm pretty new at this really
[03:54] <zooko> Very likely there is an application responsible for the swapping.
[03:54] <zooko> You could wait until it starts swapping, then exit or kill apps one by one.
[03:54] <zooko> Also, of course, you could use top or ps to find out how much memory each app is using...
[03:54] <Dreamer3> lunitik: i have 512mb
[03:55] <Dreamer3> zooko: i exit X, and all that memory is still in use
[03:55] <NeoCicak> hello...
[03:55] <lunitik> Dreamer3: 640 here...
[03:55] <NeoCicak> got a problem with GPG while doing apt-get update....
[03:55] <Dreamer3> zooko: if i stay up another few days and exit X 400mb will be in use... i can KILL all apps (i mean everything) and still have 400mb in use
[03:55] <saw27> Dreamer3: have you checked (with ps) that all the x applications are fully exiting when you quit X? E.g. no firefox stubs lying around still?
[03:55] <zooko> Dreamer3: the "amount of memory in use", as reported by tools like free is misleading.
[03:55] <NeoCicak> it says that md5sum failed..
[03:55] <NeoCicak> what should i do?
[03:55] <earthen> lunitik: what do I do after i pkill it
[03:55] <yogui> hi
[03:56] <Dreamer3> zooko: not if you read it correctly
[03:56] <lunitik> earthen: it should respawn... did you type exactly what I said?
[03:56] <blahrus> zooko: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-amd64/2004-Jun/0010.html
[03:56] <earthen> yes
[03:56] <blahrus> zooko: you like like your alright
[03:56] <zooko> I suggest you use the following numbers to diagnose: 1. amount of memory resident and total virtual memory, both reported by top, 2. amount of swap going on.
[03:56] <Dreamer3> zooko: and swapping and system behavior confirms my observations... memory is leaking somewhere badly
[03:56] <yogui> i've a problem woth my dns, when i ping www.google.com i ve a unkown host message
[03:56] <yogui> why ?
[03:56] <lunitik> earthen: and its not respawning?
[03:56] <earthen> no
[03:56] <lunitik> earthen: bah... you did the 'gnome-panel &' part?
[03:56] <Insom> hi yall
[03:56] <earthen> I typed pkill gnome-panel
[03:56] <Dreamer3> zooko: top doesn't show anything using much memory
[03:57] <Insom> how do i update my ubuntu kernel module?
[03:57] <Dreamer3> zooko: like i said, i can kill everything (only a few things still in TOP) and still have 400mb in use
[03:57] <zooko> Dreamer3: perhaps you know better than I -- I've never figured out how to measure the memory that's actually allocated by apps vs. that which is just being used as cache by the kernel...
[03:57] <lunitik> earthen: thats not _exactly what I said... I said 'pkill gnome-panel && gnome-panel &'
[03:57] <zooko> Dreamer3: Hm.
[03:57] <Dreamer3> zooko: free tells you
[03:57] <earthen> O
[03:57] <zooko> What's your total system RAM?
[03:57] <Dreamer3> zooko: "buffers" and "cache" in exacltly what it says
[03:57] <lunitik> zooko: he already said 512
[03:57] <Dreamer3> "user -/+ buffers/cache" is actual memory in use not couting the buffers and cache
[03:57] <pippo> if i write the uri: preferences:/// in nautilus i have a error message..the string is unknown.....how i can solve the problem?
[03:58] <krawek> Hi, I have this problem: ndefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion', what's wrong?
[03:58] <Dreamer3> zooko: this happened in warty too, but it was over like 40-60 days...
[03:58] <Dreamer3> zooko: so not a big deal
[03:58] <Dreamer3> zooko: i mean annoying, but not critical
[03:58] <zooko> Dreamer3: you know how to sort by memory usage in top:?
[03:58] <albeiro> hello. what do you think about ubuntu ppc support ?
[03:58] <Dreamer3> zooko: M
[03:59] <albeiro> is it working at all / very well ?
[03:59] <Dreamer3> i'll keep getting updates and hope it's fixed when hoary releases, but i'm worried
[03:59] <earthen> lunitik: i still get nothing
[04:00] <Dreamer3> seems the updates are still coming fast and furious for a system to be released in a few days :)
[04:00] <NeoCicak> hello.. i got a problem with GPG while doing apt-get update....it says that md5sum mismatch..it also said to run apt-get update again... i did it, the problem still persist..what should i do?
[04:00] <earthen> i get [1]  4949
[04:00] <Sp4rKy> do you know a good server manager as cpanel/whm but free
[04:01] <Dreamer3> OH MY... this new system is 225/250+ fps in glxgears with NO acceleration... vs 400 on my laptop with acceleration
[04:01] <chillywilly> why does nautilus now behave like I am clicking everything with the middle mouse button and closing the parent window?
[04:01] <krawek> Hi, I have this problem: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion', what's wrong?
[04:02] <Dreamer3> i'm scared to think how fast it'll be with the real nvidia driver :)
[04:02] <chillywilly> it's not as "spatial" as it used to be ;)
[04:02] <Dreamer3> and it just has a crappy vanta card
[04:02] <dwa_> Dreamer3 ...
[04:02] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: it's still spatial
[04:02] <Dreamer3> dwa_: yes?
[04:02] <dwa_> Dreamer3 : nm
[04:02] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: but it just closes the previously open window... hold down shift to keep it
[04:02] <chillywilly> yea but I want the old be havior
[04:02] <Sp4rKy> and for my manager ?
[04:02] <chillywilly> why did they change the behavior?
[04:02] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: i don't know if you can get the old behavior... google... may be something in the "registry"
[04:03] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: i like the new behavior better... no 15 windows to get somewhere :)
[04:03] <lunitik> chillywilly: cuz the guy paying for Ubuntu development likes it that way...
[04:03] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: but it's still spatial
[04:03] <chillywilly> I don't
[04:03] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: it's gnome 2.10, not ubuntu
[04:03] <Dreamer3> (as far as i can determing from the release notes)
[04:03] <lunitik> Dreamer3: no its not
[04:03] <Dreamer3> lunitik: oh, realy?
[04:04] <Dreamer3> lunitik: interesting
[04:04] <lunitik> Dreamer3: like I said, its something Mark likes...
[04:04] <lunitik> Dreamer3: says so in the related bug report...
[04:04] <earthen> lunitik: that command didn't work for me. :( any other suggestions?
[04:04] <Dreamer3> lunitik: url?
[04:04] <lunitik> Dreamer3: idk... I'm not going to look for it... search for it...
[04:04] <chillywilly> the shift trick does not work
[04:04] <Dreamer3> lunitik: ok :)
[04:04] <lunitik> earthen: no... that should have brought it back...
[04:05] <earthen> even rebooting doesn't help
[04:05] <NeoCicak> is there any runlevel editor in ubuntu's gnome?
[04:07] <yogui> i've a problem with dns
[04:07] <paulproteus> yogui: Want some working DNS servers?
[04:07] <paulproteus> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:07] <maddler> yogui: which prob?
[04:07] <paulproteus> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:07] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: maybe it's ctrl... someone yesterday was sharing keystrokes, i haven't used them
[04:08] <yogui> when i ping www.google.com i've an error
[04:08] <yogui> not host found
[04:08] <Dreamer3> anyone with GNOME, NFS and hoary?
[04:08] <yogui> but when i ping th IP it's workig
[04:08] <paulproteus> yogui: Do you use DHCP or a static IP?
[04:09] <yogui> paulproteus : a static ip
[04:09] <libben> I want to install IglooFTP it has TLS encryption. but i cant find any deb file for it... any pointers on installing from a tarball ?
[04:09] <paulproteus> yogui: Then put those two DNS servers I told you about into your /etc/resolv.conf file.
[04:09] <paulproteus> In this format:
[04:09] <paulproteus> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:09] <paulproteus> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:09] <chillywilly> they're always changing behavior in nautilus...makes me want to kick them in the head :)
[04:09] <yogui> paulproteus : i try this
[04:10] <lunitik> chillywilly: it is not gnomes fault this time though...
[04:10] <chillywilly> lunitik: who's fault is it then?
[04:10] <lunitik> chillywilly: besides... just go to Applications > System Tools > File Browser and you get the old look (single window navigation..)
[04:10] <lunitik> chillywilly: I already told you, this time, its Mark Shuttleworth's fault.
[04:11] <chillywilly> bah
[04:11] <lunitik> chillywilly: ie, its not changed at all in mainstream gnome...
[04:12] <lunitik> chillywilly: all they did is change the gconf setting though... not hard to change back.
[04:12] <seb128> feel free to comment about the nautilus changes on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8516
[04:12] <nmsa> 1 or .. the port is blocked
[04:12] <chillywilly> lunitik: well I figured that but I don't know what key it is
[04:13] <lunitik> chillywilly: see what seb128 just said... that bug also notes how to change it back...
[04:13] <yogui> paulproteus : thank you very much
[04:13] <chillywilly> I just did
[04:13] <lunitik> seb128: thank you  :)
[04:13] <yogui> paulproteus : it's working
[04:14] <Sp4rKy> please, an answer for my server manager :(
[04:14] <chillywilly> seems like I am not the only one who is cranky about the change :)
[04:15] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: well, it makes sense to me, and as long as you can change it back :) it's cool
[04:15] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: sorry it didn't work out for you though :)
[04:16] <chillywilly> I think they should've left well enough alone
[04:16] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: i'm interesting to know that there is a gconf key to set the current behavior...
[04:17] <slask3n> i am setting up my TV as a secondary screen and got the resolution and horizontal refresh rate, but i dont have the vertical refresh rate... what should i set it to? or do i need it at all?
[04:17] <Dreamer3> becaues 2.6 was different than 2.8 and now it's different again in 2.10 (3 different ways)
[04:17] <Dreamer3> 2.6 one window, 2.8 spatial - multi windows, 2.10 spatial - one window
[04:17] <zooko> http://www.linuxsa.org.au/pipermail/linuxsa/2004-November/075117.html
[04:17] <Dreamer3> 2.6 might = 2.4/2.6 i'm not sure when they added spatial
[04:18] <zooko> ^-- how to flash bios with no DOS or Windows or floppy
[04:18] <zooko> Hm.  However, it requires a CD ROM, which I also don't have.
[04:18] <zooko> I think I'll go buy a CD/DVD reader.
[04:18] <slask3n> i am setting up my TV as a secondary screen and got the resolution and horizontal refresh rate, but i dont have the vertical refresh rate... what should i set it to? or do i need it at all?
[04:19] <chillywilly> Dreamer3: right now I am just enjoying the ranting on the bug tracker :)
[04:19] <chillywilly> I'll get to fixing this shit eventually
[04:19] <Chameleon22> hi all
[04:19] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: ah... if i had X open i'd click the link
[04:20] <topyli> zooko: you probably want to have either cd or floppy to boot from on any machine, makes life easier :)
[04:20] <CarlK> zooko - I bet I could do it via netboot and... netdiskboot (or something that lets you use a floppy image for the boot file)
[04:20] <Florob> Dreamer3: 2.10 is still spatial multi windows just not in ubuntu
[04:21] <Dreamer3> Florob: ah :)
[04:21] <Dreamer3> Florob: well, so ubuntu is the only one with that gconf key?
[04:21] <zooko> Yeah, I think it's time to buy a CD/DVD for this machine...
[04:21] <Chameleon22> is it me or is ubuntu lacking packages like pgadmin, k3b, kde, etc
[04:21] <Chameleon22> ?
[04:21] <Florob> Dreamer3: exactly
[04:21] <Dreamer3> Florob: cool
[04:22] <earthen> lunitik: thanks for the help I got it to work by reinstalling it
[04:22] <Florob> Dreamer3: not quite I like the new behavior better, too, but I don't like the way they got it. Having browser mode as default or something would have been better
[04:23] <Chameleon22> guys?
[04:24] <Florob> Chameleon22: it's you
[04:24] <Chameleon22> Florob, well i did apt-cache search k3b for example and saw nothing
[04:25] <kain> kain@striker:~$ sudo apt-cache search k3b | wc -l
[04:25] <kain> 4
[04:25] <Chameleon22> Florob, could you paste me (in pm)  your sources list?
[04:25] <kain> mh
[04:26] <Chameleon22> how do i check what version of ubuntu i am using?
[04:26] <kain> Chameleon22, cat /etc/issue
[04:27] <keyhack> What command do I type to configure my wireless?
[04:27] <deFrysk> and outdated versions , cat /etc/tissue
[04:27] <Florob> Chameleon22: no, because I'm right now evil (I run windows), but I'm quite sure they are in the repository (you may want to look at kubuntu BTW)
[04:27] <Chameleon22> kain this is what i am running: Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" is it same for you or you are on newer version or ?
[04:27] <kain> Chameleon22, I'm running most recent hoary
[04:27] <kain> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog"
[04:27] <Chameleon22> kain, maybe that could be it
[04:28] <chillywilly> bleh, I have to agree with all the nay-sayers on the BTS :) I really have nothing to add to their comments...oh well I suppose because Mark *pays* for Ubuntu we are at his mercy
[04:28] <Chameleon22> Florob, there is a kde distro of ubuntu? why cant i just download it?
[04:28] <Chameleon22> kain, so howcome i cant see k3b when i apt-cache
[04:28] <claint> Chameleon22 : have you selected  all the repositories?
[04:28] <kain> Chameleon22, maybe because you don't have in sources.list right repositories, I really don't know how it is on warty
[04:29] <Chameleon22> kain, claint, well i have what CD came with so if anyone want to paste me their list i would appreciate it
[04:29] <kain> Chameleon22, ok, but they are for hoary, not warty
[04:30] <kain> anyway if you want I could paste lines in query
[04:30] <Chameleon22> kain, how can i alter them for warty?
[04:30] <claint> Chameleon22 : just uncomment the one's in your list, or better use synaptic and select the other sources.
[04:30] <kain> Chameleon22, for official repositories you can just change "warty" word to "hoary"
[04:30] <kain> but beware, you will upgrade to hoary
[04:31] <kain> or if you want to keep them for warty
[04:31] <kain> change just hoary to warty, that's easy
[04:31] <kain> but I've some repository that do hoary packages only
[04:31] <Chameleon22> kain, hold on
[04:32] <kain> you can find some backports, packages from hoary converted to warty, but that's dangerous
[04:32] <da_bon_bon> hey, recently, i am gettin a lot of errors like "png unsigned integer out of range" like when trying to open kbounce & btdownloadgui.py ... any pointers, please ??
[04:32] <chillywilly> not so nice that the bug is marked "resolved" and resolution is "notabug"
[04:34] <Chameleon22> kain, think i just solved my problem, uncommented stuff in sources list and running update now, will see what happens. By the way whats the ETA on new stable ubuntu release?
[04:34] <lunitik> chillywilly: if you read his side... it really does make sense... although I think they should have just changed the button order (left to close parent go to child, middle for just opening parent)
[04:34] <kain> Chameleon22, 8th april
[04:34] <chillywilly> I don't agree with his view at all
[04:34] <Chameleon22> uhh so me will be doing dist upgrade then ay
[04:35] <chillywilly> in fact I am mostly disturbed by this change so late in the game
[04:35] <kain> Chameleon22, yes, bu sure to read the guidelines on ubuntu wiki for the upgrade path
[04:35] <Chameleon22> kain, ye uncommenting it solved it
[04:35] <kain> nice
[04:35] <chillywilly> plus I don't even see instructions there for turning it off either
[04:35] <lunitik> chillywilly: then you can't have used it that much... I've had (I counted, just cuz it was a mess) 26 windows open at one time... I certainly didn't need them all...
[04:35] <chillywilly> myabe I am blind?
[04:35] <lunitik> 2 at most!
[04:35] <Chameleon22> kain, definately... i am a debian geek so yeah, just moved desktop to ubuntu to check it out, so far very lean
[04:36] <chillywilly> then you use middle click
[04:36] <lunitik> chillywilly: imo... most common usage should be the left click action...
[04:37] <lunitik> chillywilly: most common usage for most is to browse... not to copy files...
[04:37] <claint> what are guys talking about, the opening of new windows when you go in a directory or something?
[04:38] <lunitik> though, ever since I counted those windows... I have stuck to browser mode... just cleaner  :/
[04:38] <slask3n> i am setting up my TV as a secondary screen and got the resolution and horizontal refresh rate, but i dont have the vertical refresh rate... what should i set it to? or do i need it at all?
[04:38] <lunitik> claint: kinda... the change away from that.
[04:38] <chillywilly> lunitik: well I prefer to use a gui to reraange or clean up my files not necessarily to browse to a given document...for those purposes I usually havs links on my desktop
[04:38] <claint> ah, i just noticed it.
[04:39] <chillywilly> cause I want to get there in a hurry
[04:39] <claint> i am a bit too cli to notice i gues.
[04:39] <lunitik> chillywilly: still... you won't need 20+ windows... maybe up to like 4 or so depending on how much rearranging  :/
[04:39] <chillywilly> and I also usually don't nest my files too deeply...and if I have to go into the system and traverse a long path then I would normally use a terminal
[04:39] <claint> it actually looks like it opens a new window and then kills the old one.
[04:40] <lunitik> claint: correct... hence discussion...
[04:40] <libben> http://ekstam.sytes.net/bilder/Roligt/hitlermelon.gif ;P
[04:41] <slask3n> i am setting up my TV as a secondary screen and got the resolution and horizontal refresh rate, but i dont have the vertical refresh rate... what should i set it to? or do i need it at all?
[04:41] <estebandido> happy monday!
[04:42] <estebandido> so... i'm trying to install hoary on a g5... has anyone pulled this off?
[04:42] <LordGrunt> hello
[04:42] <estebandido> my problem is that it won't boot from the CD
[04:43] <estebandido> i checked the md5
[04:43] <lunitik> estebandido: you are holding down C or whatever?
[04:43] <estebandido> yes
[04:44] <forcer> Morning! I'm about to install Ubuntu on a box for a friend who does not know GNU/Linux at all. I use Debian myself, and never used Ubuntu before. How much did change in comparison to Debian? Will I find my way around so I can help him if that is needed? :-]
[04:44] <estebandido> i also tried the option trick
[04:44] <lunitik> forcer: yes
[04:44] <estebandido> the computer simply doesn't recognize the CD as bootable
[04:44] <slask3n> i am setting up my TV as a secondary screen and got the resolution and horizontal refresh rate, but i dont have the vertical refresh rate... what should i set it to? or do i need it at all?
[04:45] <claint> forcer: it doesn't use the debian repositories though, something to keep in mind.
[04:45] <LordGrunt> my problem: both konqueror and kcontrol hangs up my system in very ugly way, they freeze display and keyboard. it seems that they run at very high priority cause at very beggining of app start i can hit CAPS_LOCK for example and it lights after ten or more seconds. but rest of system is unusable after that. help?
[04:45] <Florob> estebandido: good we don't have to ask you if you unpacked it with winrar :)
[04:45] <estebandido> lol
[04:45] <a_L_e_X> Do u know if the Hoary-Realease is available in a german magazine
[04:45] <estebandido> nope, gunzip
[04:45] <a_L_e_X> ?
[04:45] <forcer> claint: Ok. So I better keep my fingers off of the sources.list ;-)
[04:45] <forcer> lunitik: Thanks.
[04:46] <claint> forcer: not really. it has all the ubuntu's list, but some of them are commented, which you can remove the comments and gett all the ubuntu repos activated that way.
[04:47] <a_L_e_X> Does teh Hoary-Live-CD boot Kernel 2.6 ?
[04:47] <lunitik> forcer: just enable universe and multiverse for him... use testing where applicable etc...
[04:47] <estebandido> is there some file that sits at the top level of the CD? i thought i remembered one from the i386 version, but i don't see it on the mac version
[04:47] <slask3n> is there noone who knows how to set up xorg to use a tv as a secondary screen??
[04:48] <lunitik> slask3n: doesn't look like it... although I don't think you need a virt refresh... depends on type of TV I guess though...
[04:48] <LordGrunt> hmm, forgive me the spamming then but ill ask my question every like 10-20 minutes, maybe it will reach someone able to help.
[04:48] <LordGrunt> my problem: both konqueror and kcontrol hangs up my system in very ugly way, they freeze display and keyboard. it seems that they run at very high priority cause at very beggining of app start i can hit CAPS_LOCK for example and it lights after ten or more seconds. but rest of system is unusable after that. help?
[04:49] <forcer> claint, lunitik: Thanks :-)
[04:49] <lunitik> LordGrunt: #ubuntu is primarily gnome... asking here is pointless... ask in #kde or #kubuntu or something
[04:49] <slask3n> lunitik, its a old philips.. i had to call philips help center to get the refresh rate and max resolution, and she never heard about vertical refresh rate... but should i just skip the vertical refressh rate line in xorg config?
[04:49] <uggwar> LordGrunt, what gfx card do u have?
[04:49] <deFrysk> LordGrunt, #kubuntu = specilized in kde-ubuntu
[04:50] <lunitik> slask3n: comment it out for that monitor... see if it works...
[04:50] <Chameleon22> deFrysk, why not just apt get kde
[04:50] <LordGrunt> i c. omw to kubuntu then ;)
[04:50] <Chameleon22> LordGrunt, i am currently just doing apt-get ... kde
[04:50] <lunitik> Chameleon22: because people are working on it and Ubuntu?
[04:50] <Chameleon22> lunitik, meh
[04:51] <Florob> estebandido: err... you weren't serious about gunzip were you? anyway i386 does have 3 file at the top level: md5sum.txt ubuntu README.diskdefines
[04:51] <Florob> But those shouldn't be relevant for booting.
[04:51] <lunitik> Chameleon22: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ... :/
[04:51] <deFrysk> Chameleon22, apt-get kbuntu-desktop to get the correct packages
[04:51] <Chameleon22> lunitik, EH :|
[04:51] <deFrysk> *kubuntu-desktop
[04:51] <Chameleon22> oh crap
[04:52] <deFrysk> and what lunitik said :s
[04:52] <estebandido> Florob: i don't even remember at this point. the important thing is the md5 checks out
[04:52] <estebandido> Florob: and yes, i see those files
[04:53] <estebandido> Florob: maybe i burned it wrong... are you supposed to burn the .iso file itsef, or open it up and burn the contents?
[04:53] <Chameleon22> lunitik, doesnt look like apt sees kubuntu-desktop
[04:53] <lunitik> Chameleon22: gah... its new for warty  :/
[04:54] <deFrysk> estebandido, burn image/iso not copy
[04:54] <Jefis> Where is development packages?
[04:54] <lunitik> Chameleon22: gah... its new for hoary :/
[04:54] <lunitik> Jefis: in hoary.
[04:54] <Chameleon22> lunitik, bah back to kde then
[04:54] <Jefis> all the sources i mean
[04:54] <estebandido> ah... that must be the problem
[04:54] <estebandido> thanks
[04:54] <Jefis> lunitik: no there aren't
[04:54] <lunitik> Chameleon22: you really don't want to 'apt-get install kde'  :/
[04:54] <lunitik> Jefis: yes, there really are.
[04:54] <lunitik> Jefis: apt-get source foo
[04:55] <deFrysk> apt-get remove kde sounds better to me :/
[04:55] <lunitik> deFrysk: you want to resind that comment before I explain removal of meta-packages to you?  :P
[04:55] <Chameleon22> well i cant get kubuntu-desktop so kde is next best thing
[04:55] <Florob> estebandido: you are supposed to burn the file itself (this is the reason you shouldn't extract it with winrar), but you shouldn't burn it as in copy the .iso file to the cd. you should burn it as image file.
[04:55] <yogui> which is the command to export the dipslay ?
[04:55] <deFrysk> hehe lunitik
[04:56] <lunitik> deFrysk: best way to remove kde is 'apt-get remove --purge kdelibs' ... even that doesn't catch everything though  :/
[04:56] <Jefis> lunitik: you mean in hoary cd is all sources?
[04:56] <lunitik> Jefis: no
[04:56] <chillywilly> ok, if add the following boolean key w/ the gconf editor and set it to True you can turn the ubuntu "spatial" crap off: /apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial...guess I overlooked it
[04:56] <Chameleon22> lunitik, so true ... but nothing is as hard to yank out as gnome imho
[04:56] <lunitik> Jefis: else I would have said "look on the cd'...
[04:56] <deFrysk> lunitik, apt-get remove qt blah should do the trick
[04:56] <estebandido> Florob: how do i burn an image in mac os 10.3?
[04:56] <Jefis> so what you mean in hoary?
[04:57] <deFrysk> estebandido, medium to rare
[04:57] <Jefis> apt-get source * doesn't work, i need glibc-devel,x-devel,kde-devel :)
[04:57] <Florob> estebandido: don't ask me i have not yet saved up for a mac :) Try to google for it.
[04:57] <lunitik> Chameleon22: apt-get remove --purge libgtk2.0-1 (or whatever)  ;)
[04:57] <estebandido> i'll get right on that
[04:57] <estebandido> thanks
[04:57] <Chameleon22> lunitik, still doesnt kill all of it
[04:57] <forcer> Hm. Does the ubuntu 4.10 boot CD include parted in the installation process?
[04:58] <lunitik> forcer: in the installation process? uhh... no... the installer has a partitioner though...
[04:58] <CarlK> I installed hoary a few days ago, box has a 3com 3c905 pci nic, I can netboot from it and run memtest, so it, the wire, the dhcp server and all are working, but when I boot into hoary, the only trace of it is in lspci - ifconfig eth0 says ".... Device not found"
[04:59] <CarlK> I didn't see anything about it in dmesg, but may have missed it
[04:59] <forcer> lunitik: We'd need parted, since we need to resize a partition. Should I do that from a different boot CD first?
[04:59] <lunitik> forcer: probably...
[05:00] <forcer> Ok.
[05:04] <claint> hmmm, ubuntu's vim doesn
[05:04] <claint> t do color by default? syntax highlighting i mean
[05:04] <Jefis> can anyone tell me how to get X sources?
[05:04] <crimsun> Jefis: apt-get install libx11-dev
[05:04] <Jefis> right
[05:05] <yogui> why i have a gtk-warning when i try to lauch gedit on a distant system ?
[05:05] <crimsun> Jefis: or if you want it all, apt-get source libx11-dev
[05:05] <petemc> claint: its not very hard to turn on syntax highlighting in vim
[05:05] <crimsun> claint: :syn on
[05:05] <claint> in my .vimrc now
[05:05] <Jefis> crimsun: doesn't work
[05:05] <claint> already
[05:06] <crimsun> Jefis: what doesn't?
[05:06] <Jefis> root@localhost:/home/jefis # apt-get install libx11-dev
[05:06] <Jefis> Reading package lists... Done
[05:06] <Jefis> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:06] <Jefis> Package libx11-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:06] <Jefis> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:06] <Jefis> is only available from another source
[05:06] <Jefis> E: Package libx11-dev has no installation candidate
[05:06] <crimsun> Jefis: are you on Warty?
[05:06] <Jefis> no
[05:06] <Jefis> hoary :)
[05:06] <crimsun> Jefis: then uncomment main
[05:06] <yogui>  why i have a gtk-warning when i try to lauch gedit on a distant system ?
[05:06] <Jefis> main?
[05:06] <crimsun> Jefis: your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:07] <Jefis> right
[05:07] <Jefis> :)
[05:08] <Jefis> now it "works" but shows more errors :)
[05:08] <Jefis> http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb <-- how to run this app from konsole?:)
[05:11] <dazed> whats the command to restart samba?
[05:13] <dazed> Jefis: to run a deb package ur goin to have to use mc to explore it or unpack it from term
[05:14] <crimsun> dazed: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[05:14] <dazed> thanks crimsun
[05:14] <crimsun> np
[05:15] <tandy> does anyone know if i can fix these filenames automatically when copying from fat 32 to linux
[05:15] <Jefis> i think kynaptic is downloading me something, there is default location he stores it?
[05:15] <tandy> I get these file names with all these slashes
[05:15] <dazed> god i hate samba...my comp shows up on windows network but no comps show up when viewing on nix
[05:16] <yogui>  why i have a gtk-warning when i try to lauch gedit on a distant system ?
[05:17] <Jefis> where all the .debs binarys are saved on my system, what is location?
[05:17] <sig> yogui: because your trying to launch a gui program through a terminal
[05:18] <yogui> sig : yes but there a command to di this
[05:18] <sig> which command are you using?
[05:18] <sig> yogui: news to me
[05:18] <kent> yogui, have you done it via ssh -X or something?
[05:18] <yogui> sog : i try export DISPLAY
[05:18] <sig> yogui: that won't work
[05:19] <yogui> sig : yes i try ssh -X too
[05:19] <petemc> Jefis: updatedb && locate .deb , probably /var/cache/apt/archives/
[05:19] <kent> yogui, some gnome applications displays warnings when started.   Try to load it manually from a local computer in a terminal and see if you get the same warnings.
[05:20] <Xappe> Jefis, /var/cache/apt/archives I believe
[05:20] <yogui> kent : my local computer don't have X installed
[05:20] <tandy> does anyoen know how i can correct these filenames when reading a fat partition
[05:20] <tandy> these long filenames in windows show up with all these slashes in linux
[05:21] <kent> yogui, if you run it with ssh -X on a computer with X installed and running, then the program should atleast start.   But. as i read it, your problem was that you got warnings, not errors; that is, the program still starts and works.  ?
[05:21] <tritium> tandy, it's due to spaces, most likely.  On the command line, you can enclose the filenames in quotes.
[05:21] <yogui> kent : no
[05:21] <libben>  Decompress the archive "tar xvfz filename", then "cd" in the newly created directory and type "Install" .
[05:21] <yogui> the prgoram don't start
[05:21] <tandy> tritium, yeah i thought maybe there was somehtign icould set to strip them out
[05:22] <yogui> kent : i don't see it
[05:22] <yogui> kent : the program looks running but i don't see it
[05:22] <fruggle> hi why dont I get security updates for the firefox browser although its in the main component? Firefox 0.93 (warty) is still vulnerable even after upgrading the system!
[05:22] <CarlK> Anyone know the x.org.conf switch to show the nvidia splash screen?
[05:23] <tritium> tandy, if you wanted to strip them out, you could use sed, for example.
[05:23] <mako> BBB
[05:23] <tandy> tritium, yeah iwas kind of trying to avoid writing ascript
[05:23] <tritium> CarlK, can't remember, but it's in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[05:23] <CarlK> thanks
[05:23] <tritium> tandy, sorry, I can't think of an easy way without scripting it...
[05:24] <fsapo> tandy, if it were in php haha stripslashes :) but i dont know how to do it in shell... maybe a perl script would be simple to write
[05:24] <yogui> kent :  why i have a gtk-warning when i try to lauch gedit on a distant system ?
[05:24] <tandy> tandy, hehe yeah thanks anyway
[05:24] <tandy> oops
[05:24] <fsapo> tandy, or even a shell script :P
[05:24] <yogui> kent : sorry
[05:24] <tandy> thast for u tritium
[05:24] <yogui> kent : bad key
[05:24] <tritium> tandy, :)
[05:24] <tandy> guessi ahve to stop using these crazy nameso n my windowsm ahcine
[05:24] <tandy> lol
[05:24] <yogui> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
[05:24] <yogui> Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display
[05:25] <yogui> thats what i see
[05:25] <fruggle> and there are no Ubuntu security notices about firefox at all
[05:25] <fsapo> tandy, yes.. using spaces and  sux :D
[05:25] <fsapo> fruggle, here FF updated to 1.0 automaticaly
[05:26] <tandy> ls
[05:26] <tandy> that would be the wrong window
[05:26] <fruggle> fsapo: warty?
[05:26] <fsapo> fruggle, yes
[05:26] <kent> yogui, I usually run it with ssh -X, and I dont change anything with $DISPLAY.  That works for me. If you have changed $display. perhaps you need to logout/login or something?  ssh -X should be enough.
[05:27] <fruggle> fsapo: i thought ff 1.0 is just part of hoary ...
[05:28] <yogui> kent : same error whoth logout
[05:28] <fsapo> fruggle, it is.. but i had 4.10 and the made a dist-upgrade
[05:28] <fsapo> then*
[05:29] <fsapo> lol i need a better processor =/ it take ages to bzip or compile stuff :(
[05:29] <kent> yogui, did you say you had no X on the local computer? The one your sitting at? becaus, you do need that. I meen, the program cant just turn up on your terminal..
[05:29] <fruggle> fsabo: ah ok ;)
[05:29] <yogui> kent : on my local system i have X but not on the distant
[05:30] <fruggle> the thing is <they> say all packages from main component are supported but firefox is not.
[05:31] <fruggle> not in warty release
[05:31] <kent> yogui, Im not an expert, but I dont think you need it to be running on the distant computer. Since ssh -X exports settings to use your local X instead of the distant.
[05:32] <yogui> kent : ok it's strange ..
[05:32] <pavka> hi all
[05:32] <fsapo> pavka, hi there
[05:33] <fsapo> fruggle, O.o
[05:33] <fruggle> i thought there would be a backport or something ... but its not.
[05:34] <kbrooks> fruggle, what's up?
[05:34] <kbrooks> what  is wrong exactly
[05:34] <Jefis> fruggle: use opera :)
[05:34] <kbrooks> Jefis, please.
[05:35] <Jefis> from my side opera is real better that firefox
[05:35] <Xappe> but it's non-free
[05:35] <Jefis> a little banner and that's all
[05:35] <St0n3-C0l> Is there something like 'gdesklets' for KDE ?? Take a look at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=576
[05:36] <fruggle> kbrooks: im running warty ... I thought all packages from main component will be supported but firefox is still vulnerable (v.0.93)
[05:36] <kbrooks> fruggle, well, let me explain
[05:36] <kbrooks> fruggle, warty is frozen. in a full freeze.
[05:36] <kbrooks> nothing can be modified
[05:37] <kbrooks> abs nothing in main
[05:38] <Florob> Jefis: you now they were taling abou free as in freedom not as in free bear
[05:38] <fsapo> anybody here uses cedega? just installed here.. i want to try it out wit something :D
[05:38] <kbrooks> fruggle, that means that *YOU* yourself have to provide new packages
[05:38] <kbrooks> fruggle, the new release, hoary, is frozen. too.
[05:38] <kbrooks> fruggle, but.....
[05:39] <kbrooks> fruggle, all ubuntu releases are snapshots of the sid debian tree
[05:39] <Sp4rKy> Somebody could help me with hoary ?
[05:39] <kbrooks> (right, everyone?)
[05:39] <Amaranth> kbrooks: err, no
[05:40] <kbrooks> well, correct me
[05:40] <Amaranth> fruggle: The version will always be 0.9.3 in warty but they backport security fixes.
[05:40] <pavka> can somebody help me with install zope on hoary?
[05:40] <fruggle> kbrooks: but there are security updates ... e.g ubuntu security notices. They patch telnet and gaim but not firefox?
[05:41] <Amaranth> kbrooks: Well, seeing how sid doesn't have GNOME 2.10 or X.Org....
[05:41] <kbrooks> Amaranth, it will be always be 0.9.3 because warty is frozen
[05:41] <Amaranth> kbrooks: + security fixes
[05:41] <Amaranth> frozen doesn't mean you're never get updates, it just means you won't get new versions
[05:41] <fruggle> Amaranth: try firewalking e.g
[05:42] <Amaranth> firewalking?
[05:42] <fruggle> Amaranth: sorry firescrolling ;) http://www.mikx.de/firescrolling/
[05:43] <Amaranth> fruggle: If it requires 1.0 you're SOL unless you get a backport.
[05:43] <fruggle> Amaranth: or maybe this one http://secunia.com/multiple_browsers_window_injection_vulnerability_test/
[05:43] <Amaranth> oh, you're talking about security problems
[05:43] <Amaranth> fruggle: are they fixed in 1.0.2?
[05:43] <kbrooks> i am on firefox v1.0.2 on ubuntu hoary
[05:43] <john6000> how long does it take for your free ubuntu cd to get to you?
[05:44] <Nekohayo> 4-6 weeks?
[05:44] <john6000> :o
[05:44] <Nekohayo> maybe more
[05:44] <deFrysk> john6000, warty took me about 4 weeks
[05:44] <fruggle> Kbrooks: im on firefox 1.0.2 too because warty`s 0.9.3 is vulnerable
[05:44] <john6000> ok
[05:44] <Nekohayo> same here, ~1.5months.. by the time I was using hoary
[05:44] <Nekohayo> :)
[05:44] <john6000> hoary?
[05:44] <yogui> i've a big probelme with ssh -X !!!!
[05:44] <deFrysk> Nekohayo, yup
[05:44] <fruggle> Amaranth: yes they are fixed in 1.02
[05:44] <deFrysk> :D
[05:45] <Amaranth> fruggle: File a bug report then.
[05:45] <Nekohayo> john6000, Hoary Hedgehog is the current unstable release
[05:45] <john6000> im using kybuntu preview till by cd comes
[05:45] <john6000> oh
[05:45] <Amaranth> fruggle: warty will never get 1.0.2 but it should be security fixes
[05:45] <Nekohayo> that's the one you ordered I think
[05:45] <fsapo> anybody can help me with cedega? it says its installed but how do i run it? cvscedega isnt working in shell =/
[05:45] <Nekohayo> will be released somewhere in april, don't remember exactly
[05:45] <john6000> ok
[05:45] <Amaranth> Nekohayo: friday
[05:46] <Nekohayo> fsapo, did you try simply "cedega" ?
[05:46] <Syberius> Ok, im planning a migration from winXP to Ubuntu (have sampled and I like) but I was just wondering what support Ubuntu has for Logitech keyboards with media keys (i like my music) and I have a few other questions as well.
[05:46] <deFrysk> fruggle, security fix means they are also fixed in unbuntu-firefox whaterverversion
[05:46] <jpla> hola
[05:46] <kbrooks> Nekohayo, hoary is in no way unstable
[05:46] <john6000> isnt gnome standard in ubantu?
[05:46] <jpla> bona tarda
[05:46] <Nekohayo> kbrooks, it WAS unstable
[05:46] <Nekohayo> but I mean it is considered unstable.. or candidate if you prefer
[05:46] <Nekohayo> it's stable as hell for me :)
[05:46] <deFrysk> unstable for lack of a better word
[05:47] <Amaranth> fruggle: security fixes are code taken from 1.0.2 (just for the security fix) and put into the ubuntu version of 0.9.3
[05:47] <yfir> kbrooks: 'unstable' is a somewhat technical term among linux users.
[05:47] <deFrysk> unstable=not properly tested (yet)
[05:47] <john6000> does unstable mean security holes or crashy?
[05:47] <Amaranth> unstable means it changes
[05:47] <Nekohayo> except that I'm a little scared of upgrading nvidia-glx to 7167... thoughts about this? are there segfaults like there used to?
[05:47] <john6000> oj
[05:47] <john6000> oh*
[05:47] <Amaranth> stable means it doesn't change
[05:47] <Amaranth> thus warty is stable, it doesn't get new things
[05:47] <firstknight> HI, is there any software in Linux like this: http://sector7g.wurzel6.de/pdfcreator/index_en.htm .... I mean... the visual printer not the pdf creator it self
[05:47] <john6000> does samba come as standard with ubuntu?
[05:47] <deFrysk> stable means released version
[05:48] <Nekohayo> unstable means you get to try everything before less adventurous people ;) at the expense of risking your life XD
[05:48] <blahrus> john6000: no you need to install it
[05:48] <Amaranth> deFrysk: For some things, sure. Not in Debian terminology though.
[05:48] <john6000> :(
[05:48] <Nekohayo> that's easy with synaptic
[05:48] <Nekohayo> smb, smbfs, smb clients and all..
[05:48] <blahrus> john6000: sudo apt-get install samba smbfs
[05:48] <Nekohayo> however I'm too dumb to get any samba on any distro to work properly :)
[05:48] <fruggle> Amaranth: yes but there is also no ubuntu security notice about firefox at all
[05:48] <john6000> im new to debian i was using slackware i thought i might give ubuntu a try (when my cd comes)
[05:48] <mdke> does evolution have a function for binging or notifying in some way when there is new mail?
[05:49] <fruggle> Amaranth: so they dont fix it
[05:49] <Amaranth> fruggle: File a bug report.
[05:49] <blahrus> Nekohayo: there are so many gui's for it now
[05:49] <Nekohayo> mdke, yes
[05:49] <deFrysk> Amaranth, in debian unstable means 'still picking my nose'
[05:49] <mdke> Nekohayo, do you know how to find it?
[05:49] <Amaranth> *groan*
[05:49] <Nekohayo> I'm using a sound to notify me :) a kde sound actually.. lol
[05:49] <Nekohayo> somewhere in the prefs
[05:49] <fsapo> Nekohayo, it cant find cedegar or cvscedega =/
[05:49] <Nekohayo> wait I'll take a look
[05:49] <nmsa> can I ask if you know a IM server for linux that can do voice (maybe video too), like yahoo or MSN ? I want to use it in intranet
[05:49] <mdke> Nekohayo, will look
[05:49] <kbrooks> ping.
[05:50] <Nekohayo> mdke, first go take a look into each email account, theres a "receiving options" or something to enable checking every x minutes
[05:50] <john6000> skype?
[05:50] <Amaranth> nmsa: You mean something like gnomemeeting? :)
[05:50] <john6000> nmsa:spype try that
[05:50] <kbrooks> "All tests successful, 2 tests skipped.
[05:50] <kbrooks> Files=173, Tests=3835, 843 wallclock secs (768.91 cusr +  9.15 csys = 778.06 CPU)
[05:50] <kbrooks> "
[05:50] <john6000> skype i meant
[05:50] <kbrooks> er
[05:50] <Nekohayo> mdke, and the sound bell is in "mail preferences" (a main category)
[05:51] <kbrooks> wrong chan
[05:51] <Sp4rKy> please, i would to know where i can configure my "sleep time" with hoary
[05:51] <kbrooks> sorry
[05:51] <nmsa> digits:Amaranth: yes, but more like gaim ...
[05:51] <Amaranth> nmsa: Then you probably want skype, although it isn't just local.
[05:51] <nmsa> john6000: can I use it in intranet ?
[05:51] <Nekohayo> anyone using the latest nvidia-glx? (the 7167)? I don't know why, apt-get holds it back
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know about this gnome-not-logging-out problem?
[05:51] <nmsa> Amaranth: I just want it for intranet
[05:51] <deFrysk> Nekohayo, its not available un hoary
[05:51] <Amaranth> nmsa: You can pretend it's just running in an intranet but it'll need internet access.
[05:52] <Nekohayo> deFrysk, I TELL you it is!
[05:52] <deFrysk> Nekohayo, i see
[05:52] <Amaranth> nmsa: Then the only choice I know of is gnomemeeting.
[05:52] <Nekohayo> deFrysk, don't know why (it wasn't supposed to), but the package is right there in the repository
[05:52] <john6000> that sounds good
[05:52] <john6000> gnome meeting
[05:52] <phoenixp3k> Hello! Need some help... (again)
[05:53] <Jefis> why kynaptic isn't downloading new packeges?
[05:53] <nmsa> Amaranth: as IM servaer we can use jabber, jabberd ... but no voice ... :(
[05:53] <deFrysk> Nekohayo, yes it is ..
[05:53] <deFrysk> I see it
[05:53] <phoenixp3k> How do I mount a Floppy Drive
[05:53] <Nekohayo> that made me wonder if they decided to change their policy on this (and the same night, nvidia released a 7174 driver line)
[05:53] <Nekohayo> deFrysk, could you take a look, just to make sure I'm not the only one seeing that package?
[05:53] <Nekohayo> ok thanks
[05:53] <john6000> can you use rpms in ubantu
[05:53] <Amaranth> nmsa: sorry, I don't know of anything else
[05:54] <fsapo> john6000, yes.. you can converte them to .deb packages with alien
[05:54] <Amaranth> john6000: Sure, but don't do it for anything besides proprietary apps that only come with RPMs.
[05:54] <no0tic> a good configuration program to configure firewall? not firestarter, something more powerful
[05:54] <Nekohayo> ideas why ~6 packages (including the nvidia-glx) won't apt-get upgrade?
[05:54] <nmsa> Amaranth: 'thnx
[05:54] <Ingo^> Hey
[05:54] <john6000> proprietary ?
[05:54] <Amaranth> Nekohayo: did you dist-upgrade?
[05:54] <fsapo> john6000,  just type alien package.rpm and then dpkg -i package.deb :)
[05:54] <Nekohayo> nope
[05:54] <john6000> is crossover office proprietary ?
[05:54] <Amaranth> john6000: closed source
[05:54] <Amaranth> john6000: yeah
[05:55] <john6000> :)
[05:55] <Nekohayo> I'll go and give it a try, thanks Amaranth
[05:55] <deFrysk> Nekohayo, nvidi-kernel is still old version btw
[05:55] <phoenixp3k> is that a working command line? sudo mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[05:55] <Amaranth> john6000: I meant don't use it for things like libraries or mono or anything like that, ubuntu and whatever distro the RPM is for don't do things the same way.
[05:56] <Ingo^> I have an AMD Athlon 2500, do i get the i386 or AMD64? live or install?
[05:56] <Nekohayo> deFrysk, then it should be safer to.. not upgrade anything yet, I guess
[05:56] <deFrysk> Nekohayo, better wait yes
[05:56] <john6000> ok
[05:56] <john6000> i386
[05:56] <thoreauputic> phoenixp3k: try vfat instead of msdos
[05:56] <monteiro> when the ubuntu hoary final version is out ?
[05:56] <Nekohayo> friday
[05:57] <Ingo^> thx
[05:57] <ACID|net> hey all
[05:57] <john6000> and install (for HDD install) or live (for live cd)
[05:57] <fruggle> Amaranth: BUGZILLA :Warty is a difficult issue, though. The proposed patch is huuuge and does not apply at all to 0.9.3 (Thom already tried in vain for hours). Thus I have no idea how this could be fixed in Warty.
[05:57] <Ingo^> and i make it a bootable?
[05:57] <john6000> ?
[05:58] <Amaranth> fruggle: Then you'll have to use a backport, I guess.
[05:58] <ACID|net> i was just wondering if there was anything i could do to help with ubuntu?
[05:58] <fruggle> Amaranth: yes Im already running ff 1.02 ;) however this sucks
[05:58] <phoenixp3k> it's not working...
[05:58] <phin> hmmmm
[05:59] <phin> i cant get sound to work
[05:59] <ACID|net> i aint a great programmer but i could be once i actually start to do some proper code (Comp sci course doesn't help much)......but i just want to help the project a bit
[05:59] <phin> anyone got a few moments?
[05:59] <monteiro> Nekohayo : tks :)
[05:59] <phoenixp3k> thoreauputic, I think it does access my floppy
[05:59] <petemc> ACID|net: there are pages on the ubuntu site about what you can do to help
[05:59] <Amaranth> fruggle: canonical needs to hire a mozilla.org hacker :)
[05:59] <phoenixp3k> thoreauputic, I mean doesn't
[05:59] <thoreauputic> phoenixp3k: do you have an /etc/fstab entry for your floppy?
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you play wmv in ubuntu?
[06:00] <Nekohayo> Kamping_Kaiser, the easiest way would be to replace totem-gstreamer by totem-xine
[06:00] <deFrysk> Kamping_Kaiser, with mplayer and xine
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok. thanks
[06:01] <phoenixp3k> thoreauputic, there is an fstab file...
[06:01] <deFrysk> Kamping_Kaiser, make sure to get w32codecs
[06:01] <phoenixp3k> thoreauputic, floppy isn't there. It's not in media either
[06:01] <fsapo> Kamping_Kaiser, i ll find a shell script for you.. it makes everything
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> where frwom defrysk
[06:01] <fsapo> Kamping_Kaiser, just let me search in my bookmarks hehe
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) ta
[06:02] <deFrysk> marillat repo
[06:02] <thoreauputic> phoenixp3k: you should have a line like this;
[06:02] <thoreauputic> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  vfat    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[06:02] <phoenixp3k> thoreauputic, nope...
[06:02] <phoenixp3k> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[06:02] <phoenixp3k> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[06:02] <phoenixp3k> /dev/hdb1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:02] <phoenixp3k> /dev/hdb5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[06:02] <phoenixp3k> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[06:02] <phoenixp3k> /dev/hda1       /media/windows    vfat    umask=000       0       0
[06:02] <phoenixp3k> *sorry for the extensive lines people
[06:02] <thoreauputic> phoenixp3k: umm...well put it there
[06:03] <deFrysk> Kamping_Kaiser,  read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:03] <thoreauputic> phoenixp3k: sudo gedit /etc/fstab ; add the line I pasted
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[06:03] <kent> what could be the problem if ssh -X into a remote computer wont set the $DISPLAY correctly? Its not set at all :(  I thought ssh -X was supposed to do that?
[06:04] <fsapo> Kamping_Kaiser, enjoy :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646&highlight=script+users+codecs
[06:04] <phoenixp3k> thoreauputic, there, do I have to create a floppy0 folder ?
[06:05] <phoenixp3k> mount: mount point /media/floppy0 does not exist
[06:05] <thoreauputic> kent: X forwarding need to be turned on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[06:05] <nmsa> kent: my ssh session is not exporting the DISPLAY
[06:05] <thoreauputic> phoenixp3k: yes, create a /media/floppy0
[06:06] <phoenixp3k> mkdir right?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> phoenixp3k: right
[06:06] <Sp4rKy> bye
[06:07] <Bartl> hi all
[06:07] <phoenixp3k> thoreauputic, it's working! Thanks
[06:07] <yahalom> i desperately need help with my ntp
[06:07] <yahalom> anyone? nobody has been able to help me
[06:07] <thoreauputic> phoenixp3k: you're welcome
[06:08] <warty> question: does kubuntu also update kde packages is found defected
[06:08] <Bartl> any leads if and how good ubuntu works on an acer 662lci travelmate?
[06:08] <nmsa> I am doing a ssh session to my mdk box, where I reload a screen session, I do export DISPLAY to my current ubuntu box. I can't run konqueror : cannot connect to X server
[06:08] <warty> try reboot
[06:09] <kent> nmsa, and you have tried "ssh -X"?
[06:10] <nmsa> kent: no, just ssh
[06:10] <nmsa> let me see :)
[06:11] <nmsa> kent: works for you?
[06:11] <SapoDriLo> hi. I have a problem with xemacs21-gnome-nomule. Using UTF-8 when I press the accent key + a it appears this:
[06:12] <libben> if i installed a program from a tarball... i only typed sudo ./install and it installed it... it was a ./Uninstall command also... but ive removed the install folder... do i need to download the tarball again to be able to uninstall it?
[06:12] <nmsa> kent: I have this after the ssh -X: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth: (stdin):1:  bad display name "unix:10.0" in "remove" command
[06:12] <kent> nmsa, ssh -X always work for me.
[06:13] <nmsa> kent: u don't have to export DISPLAY ?
[06:13] <richard42> hi everyone -- if you wanted to run a groupware server for evolution clients, what server software would you run?
[06:13] <kent> nmsa, ssh -X will export it automatic.  Thats the point with -X  ;)
[06:14] <thoreauputic> you don't have to export display for ssh -X - but you *do* need to enable X forwarding
[06:14] <nmsa> kent: what are those errors of mine, then?
 kent: X forwarding need to be turned on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> it is by default i thing
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> *think
[06:15] <kent> thoreauputic, If one wants to run a program from a remote computer, and that remote computer has no X running,  is that possible? I meen, will the program run remotly and connect to the local X?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> in ubuntu i think yes, in mandrake or other distros I don't know
[06:16] <thoreauputic> kent: I don't think X needs to be running on the other machine, but I may be wrong
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant connect to debian.org
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does i think
[06:17] <CarlK> kent - that will work, if you have all the right settings ;)
[06:17] <kent> thoreauputic, some one just tried to run a program from my computer using ssh -X from his computer. I know I can run programs from my computer that way, since I do it when I visit my parents (they have a Fedora comp). So, I dont understand why that person could not run a program remotly from my computer :( I have it all configured?  Both me and that person run Ubuntu :(
[06:18] <casualtie> I realized ubuntu are using a local mysql server for storing information or something... Would it be unwise to use this server on my local webserver, or should I compile a seperate mysql server?
[06:19] <will> anyone have any good resources for setting up a ssh tunnel for VNC?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you connect with ssh kent?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> without the x involvement?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> kent: don't know, frankly
[06:19] <CarlK> A): you, keyboard, screen, X, ssh client - B) sshd, xapp (like x-chat) - on B X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config,  on A) xhosts+ (to allow conections from other boxes) and I think ssh needs a paramter, like -x
[06:19] <will> oh and is open office 2 packeged as a deb yet?
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes will.
[06:20] <will> Kamping_Kaiser: where abouts?
[06:20] <nmsa> thoreauputic: my remote box has: X11Forwarding yes
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> it comes up in synaptic will, not sure what you need exactly
[06:20] <CarlK> kent - sounds like you need the "xhost +" step
[06:21] <nmsa> still I can't run a remote app
[06:21] <fsapo> damn this cedega isnt working :( and if i got an error would be better than just not running and not showing errors =/
[06:21] <CarlK> nmsa - sounds like you need the "xhost +" step too ;)
[06:21] <kent> CarlK, already tried that one. Both on my computer and his.  Its probably the other person who has done some mistake or something..  For me everything works as it should :)
[06:22] <nmsa> CarlK: can I paste something on msg ?
[06:22] <nmsa> my 4 error lines?
[06:23] <pirx> does anyone know how to connect to a wireless network in ubuntu? the card works, and kwifimanager finds the network (i use gnome tho)
[06:24] <Dreamer3> ok, what's the most appropriate way to stop GDM from loading at startup?
[06:24] <nmsa> my sssh -X says: wrong authentication
[06:25] <Dreamer3> i'm thinking of just deleting /etc/init.d/gdm since i could get it back later be reinstalling gdb
[06:25] <Dreamer3> gdm
[06:25] <Dreamer3> any thoughts?
[06:25] <phin> update-rc.d gdm remove
[06:25] <Dreamer3> can the entries in the runlevel folders be renamed instead of deleted?
[06:25] <phin> dreamer do that
[06:25] <YankDownUnder> Dreamer3: I've been trying to get an answer for basically the same question
[06:25] <resiak> Dreamer3: Yes.
[06:25] <phin> sudo update-rc.d gdm remove
[06:25] <phin> thats the proper way todo it
[06:25] <Dreamer3> phin: ok, and if i want them back?
[06:26] <phin> dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[06:26] <phin> should redo it
[06:26] <Dreamer3> phin: hmmm... makes sense... or reinstalling gdm should still do it, right?
[06:26] <phin> yep
[06:26] <Dreamer3> phin: they aren't park of the package per se, so that must be part of the setup or tear down scripts
[06:27] <will> what do i need to tunnel VNC ubuntu - windows?
[06:27] <Dreamer3> YankDownUnder: take that approach
[06:27] <phin> freenx is nice
[06:27] <Dreamer3> YankDownUnder: though you eithe rhave to -f force it or remove /etc/init.d/gdm first
[06:27] <tritium> Dreamer3, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start confrms phin's advice, and that dpkg-reconfigure will let you set it up again later.
[06:27] <libben> Can u run KASABLANCA on Gnome?
[06:28] <phin> i wouldnt manually remove it
[06:28] <phin> sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[06:28] <phin> that'll work
[06:28] <nmsa> phin: how/where did you find the update-rc.d ?
[06:28] <Dreamer3> phin: *shrugs*
[06:28] <Dreamer3> phin: i know how to get it back, so i'm not worried :)
[06:28] <phin> huh?
[06:28] <Dreamer3> phin: though -f might have been betteer :)
[06:28] <phin> ive been using debian for years, its a debian script
[06:28] <nmsa> i c
[06:29] <YankDownUnder> Dreamer3: Seems to have worked - now if I can get XFce to work properly I'll be done....
[06:29] <Dreamer3> YankDownUnder: are you on hoary?
[06:29] <phin> whats wrong with xfce?
[06:29] <YankDownUnder> Dreamer3: Ya....
[06:30] <YankDownUnder> phin: Graphical installer craps out
[06:30] <Dreamer3> tritium: someone was working on ubuntuized xfce packages for the hoary release
[06:30] <phin> weird
[06:30] <phin> worked fine for me :(
[06:30] <phin> you have build-essential and all the requirements met?
[06:30] <Dreamer3> YankDownUnder: are you not installing it from the repositories?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> crimsun has uploaded xfce4 for hoary
[06:30] <YankDownUnder> phin: Apparently....
[06:30] <thoreauputic> 4.2
[06:30] <tritium> Dreamer3, yep.
[06:31] <thoreauputic> you can apt-get xfce 4.2 for hoary now
[06:31] <thoreauputic> he announced it on the mailing list
[06:31] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Hrm....going to give that a shot