[12:32] <cosmic_> CU @ ALL
[04:00] <Driverx> I'm a mythtv noob and don't understand why when I choose 'watch tv' I get a message that the system was unable to connect to the backend.  The backemd.log shows nothing wrong (that I can see)
[04:01] <Driverx> issuing /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start doesn't improve the situation
[04:02] <Hugolp> Driverx:  the backend and the frontend is in the same machine?
[04:05] <Driverx> yes they are
[04:06] <Hugolp> are you sure the bakend is running?
[04:06] <Hugolp> can you pastebin what the backend log sais?
[04:06] <Driverx> When I issue the command to start it I get a message that it's running
[04:06] <Driverx> pastebin? I'm new to IRC too
[04:06] <Hugolp> it doesnt mean it has to stop later
[04:08] <Hugolp> Driverx:  paste the last sentences of the backend log in here and give me the web addres http://pastebin.ca/
[04:08] <Driverx> I'll have to log in to IRC from a machine near the Mythbox - which isn't running at the moment. Back in a few
[04:13] <Driverx> The machine had been shut down for 1/2 an hour - it started, and when I chose 'watch tv' it started tv!!
[04:13] <Hugolp> ok then
[04:13] <Driverx> I can probably re-create the behavior if I were to re-boot right now
[04:13] <Hugolp> if you have any problem again well be here
[04:14] <Driverx> I am having trouble with the hauppauge remote... it was working yesterday
[04:14] <Hugolp> I dont use remote. Cant help you with that
[04:14] <Driverx> ok
[04:14] <Hugolp> but I know the remote of the hauppage wintv-nova-t-500 still doesnt work under linux
[04:15] <Hugolp> Driverx:  you may find some help in #mythtv-users in this server
[04:15] <Driverx> thanks I'll try there
[09:06] <mocha> hello
[09:06] <mocha> does anyone know if the Twinhan 1022 works with Ubuntu and MythTV?


[15:59] <arosales> hello
[15:59] <arosales> Ubuntu Server meeting about to kick off
[16:00] <jgrimm> o/
[16:00] <kickinz1> o/
[16:00] <cpaelzer> o/
[16:01] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr 12 16:01:11 2016 UTC.  The chair is arosales. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:01] <arosales> hello hello o/
[16:01] <arosales> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <arosales> jgrimm understand timeline/process around serverguide
[16:02] <arosales> jgrimm: was that resolved per "Not bound by StringFreeze, see mailing list and wiki for how to help"
[16:02] <jgrimm> arosales,  talked to docs folks. updates can be made at anytime since online
[16:02] <smoser> o/
[16:02] <jgrimm> yes, that's resolved. i was absent last week, but posted my responses in the wiki
[16:02] <arosales> jgrimm: it also looks like the following was resolved, "jgrimm find owner for vsftpd test failures:"  -- caribou volunteered
[16:03] <arosales> those look like the actions from the previous meeting
[16:03] <caribou> arosales: yes, working on it atm
[16:03] <arosales> caribou: thanks
[16:03] <jgrimm> thanks
[16:03] <arosales> #topic Xenial Development
[16:03] <arosales> release right around the corner
[16:03] <jgrimm> indeed
[16:03] <arosales> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[16:04] <arosales> Final freeze this week
[16:04] <arosales> release next week
[16:04] <arosales> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:04] <arosales> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:04] <arosales> 41 bugs for ubuntu server .  . .
[16:05] <arosales> 7 high without a fix commit
[16:05] <arosales> perhaps we touch those here?
[16:05] <arosales> #link http://launchpad.net/bugs/1508874
[16:06] <jgrimm> nova-lxd
[16:06] <arosales> that is nova-lxd
[16:06] <arosales> zul: were you taking a look at that one?
[16:06] <hallyn> i think that is obselete
[16:06] <hallyn> lxd 2.0 does proper load balancing
[16:06] <hallyn> obsolete even
[16:07] <arosales> oh, hallyn could you comment and perhaps resolve that bug then?
[16:07] <hallyn> sure
[16:07] <arosales> hallyn: thanks
[16:07] <arosales> jamespage: fyi, I think you opened that one ^
[16:07] <arosales> #link http://launchpad.net/bugs/1248054
[16:07] <jamespage> arosales, oh that was fixed ages abot
[16:08] <arosales> fix released in dlm for 1248054
[16:08] <arosales> was that needed in xenial?
[16:08] <arosales> or trusty?
[16:08] <caribou> yeah, I uploaded that one
[16:09] <arosales> caribou: looks like tasks are still open for xenial and trusty, correct?
[16:09] <caribou> arosales: I don't see a task for xenial
[16:09] <caribou> arosales: only wily & trusty
[16:09] <arosales> jamespage: ack re nova-lxd hallyn may be marking it as resolved
[16:09] <arosales> caribou: sorry, yes -- just trusty wily as you said
[16:11] <arosales> caribou: so any action needed there, or progressing as needed?
[16:11] <arosales> #link http://launchpad.net/bugs/1313550
[16:11] <caribou> arosales: I'll revisit this one
[16:11] <caribou> arosales: the dlm one, sorry
[16:12] <arosales> maas, tar, curtain still needed no trusty for 1313550 (ping issue with normal user)
[16:12] <arosales> caribou: thanks
[16:13] <hallyn> (fixed up the lxc 'affects' for that one)
[16:13] <arosales> hallyn: thanks
[16:14]  * arosales doesn't seen roaksoax for maas
[16:14] <arosales> smoser: are you the right person for curtain?
[16:14] <arosales> jgrimm: ^
[16:14] <jgrimm> arosales, yes.. smoser is curtin
[16:15] <arosales> jgrimm: for the ping issue action needed for trusty: curtain, and tar
[16:15] <jgrimm> arosales, ack
[16:15]  * arosales will follow up with roaksox for maas
[16:15] <arosales> jgrimm: thanks
[16:15] <arosales> #link http://launchpad.net/bugs/1398999
[16:15] <smoser> arosales, curtin is fixed on that bug. prbably in trusty.
[16:15] <smoser> i can check.
[16:16] <arosales> smoser: thanks, if you can update the bug that would be great
[16:16] <smoser> yeah, and its marked as such :)
[16:17] <arosales> smoser: thanks
[16:18] <arosales> nova bug here
[16:18] <teward> o/ (late)
[16:19] <arosales> jamespage: ^
[16:19] <arosales> #link http://launchpad.net/bugs/1445616
[16:19] <jamespage> crmsh pending sru team ack
[16:19] <jamespage> that nova bug should be resolved for mitaka
[16:19] <arosales> jamespage: thanks
[16:20] <arosales> #link http://launchpad.net/bugs/1455818
[16:20] <cpaelzer> also on that nova bug we can probably set all the vivid references to Won't Fix
[16:20] <arosales> the mysql bug not fix relesed in wiley
[16:20] <arosales> jgrimm: ^ fyi
[16:20] <jgrimm> yep, not a priority but will probaby SRU
[16:21] <jgrimm> fixed in xenial
[16:21] <arosales> jgrimm: tghanks
[16:21] <rbasak> Yeah the fix is trivial, it just needs SRU processing time etc.
[16:21] <arosales> *thanks
[16:21] <arosales> #link http://launchpad.net/bugs/1521438
[16:21] <rbasak> It's also fairly edge case-y - won't trigger during normal production server use.
[16:21] <arosales> jamespage: I'll catch up with the icey and cholcombe on that one
[16:22] <arosales> rbasak: thanks
[16:22] <arosales> and those are the high bugs without fixes
[16:22] <arosales> I suspect the focus is on xenial atm
[16:22] <arosales> moving to next item
[16:22] <arosales> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:23] <arosales> caribou: any items?
[16:23] <caribou> trying to finalize fix for vsftpd
[16:23] <caribou> nothing other than that
[16:23] <arosales> caribou: ok thanks
[16:23] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:24]  * arosales doesn't see matsubara
[16:24] <arosales> moving on
[16:24] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:24] <smb> Right now I would not be aware of any kernel issues.  If there are some I missed please ping.
[16:24] <arosales> smb:  thanks for the update, if folks find any I would also encourage a bug
[16:24] <arosales> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:25] <arosales> any CFPs folks want to bring up?
[16:25] <arosales> . . .
[16:26] <arosales> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:26] <arosales> Any events folks want to bring up?
[16:27] <arosales> . . .
[16:28] <arosales> #topic Open Discussion
[16:28] <arosales> Any other items ?
[16:28] <arosales> . . .
[16:28] <jgrimm> teward, anything on nginx?
[16:31] <arosales> sounds like no updates on nginx
[16:31] <arosales> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:32] <arosales> NEXT MEETING: Tuesday 2016-04-19 at 1600 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:32] <arosales> hallyn: your up next
[16:32] <arosales> thanks all!
[16:32] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr 12 16:32:32 2016 UTC.
[16:32] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-04-12-16.01.moin.txt
[16:32] <rbasak> Thanks arosales!
[16:32] <teward> jgrimm: sorry, network issues
[16:33] <teward> jgrimm: 1.9.14 landed last week, thanks to infinity.  nothing 'more' yet
[16:33] <hallyn> arosales: yup :)
[16:33] <teward> but i'm eyeing finalfreeze
[16:33] <teward> thanks arosales
[16:33] <hallyn> thx
[16:33] <teward> sorry about E: No Updates, internet issues @ my location
[19:43] <ahoneybun> wxl, is there a LoCo meeting today?


[12:19] <GoHabsGo> hi people, im getting this bug with Edgy Final on an HP tc4400 tablet PC http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-40604.html   , is it resolved ?
[10:00] <jimbob> can anyone help. usb mouse stopps working after a few min on my laptop. touchpad still works
[12:10] <yelo3> hello!
[03:17] <mpittle> Whats the battery monitor for ubuntu (gnome) called?
[07:20] <professor> I am having lots of trouble getting wireless to work on my laptop.  I am running dapper and I have a broadcom internal wireless card
[07:22] <CrazyDoode> !bcm43xx
[07:22] <CrazyDoode> lol.. i guess not.. haha.. hang on.
[07:23] <CrazyDoode> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[07:24] <CrazyDoode> imho, don't use ndiswrapper. If you've installed it.. be sure to follow the instructions to uninstall it.
[07:26] <CrazyDoode> when using fwcutter (which works great on my el-cheepo dell btw!) i found it easier to ... haaha.. i guess he'll never know.


[01:49] <tsimonq2> do we get LXQt upstream from Debian, or directly from the project?
[01:58] <ianorlin> tsimonq2: used to be upstream but we are moving to bring in the debian sources
[01:58] <ianorlin> so we can import that
[02:00] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: so if I contribute to LXQt in Debian, it will help Lubuntu?
[03:06] <ianorlin> yeah but getting stuff into debian is easier said than done
[15:10] <flexiondotorg> phillw, Kamilion, wxl - Yo
[15:10] <phillw> hiyas flexiondotorg
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> I've got a slow in UOS 15.11 to talk about "Ubuntu Pi Flavour Maker" (working title).
[15:11] <Kamilion> yar?
[15:11] <Kamilion> cool!
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> ^^^
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> So, I've tweak the build scripts slightly over the weekend,
[15:12] <flexiondotorg> I guess we're in this together now ;-)
[15:12] <flexiondotorg> You up for some more acceptance testing?
[15:28] <phillw> flexiondotorg: well, Julien expressed some surprise at the news all over the place of lubuntu having a pi2 image.....
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> Techinically Lubuntu doesn't have a Pi 2 image.
[15:29] <phillw> We got our fingers burned with ac100 - That is major outlet of my rant that caused me and ubuntu councils etc. to part company.
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> I'm waiting on you guys to let me know if it is up to scratch first :-)
[15:29] <phillw> indeed we do not! it is a community re-spin
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> ac100?
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> If you agree it is something you can support, then you can take it from there.
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> I'm just trying to help botstrap this and use it is education material.
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> *bootstrp
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> Ugh.
[15:33] <flexiondotorg> Really need that busted hand fixing.
[15:35] <phillw> it was an arm system, that team asked us to allow lubuntu to be on it, as it was small foot print for the max size of sim. They then abandoned it, i marked it as "not for release" some one on release team over-rode that, it broke some ones computer and I went ape about them over-riding the release manager. They said it was lubuntu's fault ..... And, I then blew a gasket and they got both barrels, no holds barred... And, then I left.
[15:35] <phillw> but, Pi2, I'm happier with :)
[15:38] <phillw> My Pi2 arrives at the works today, I will get it tomorrow evening.
[15:49] <phillw> flexiondotorg: with wxl and avid Pi2 person, and me also enthusiastic... It will get nice press and support from us. Do not forget, there are some wise heads at http://linuxpadawan.net/ where I think you would make a great contribution as a master and maybe link to educational areas for kids or simply       set up a Pi2 area on that area which is distro agnostic.
[20:08] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: ok, because I was offered to help over in #debian-next
[20:08] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: so ima help :)


[08:23] <xu-help70w> Buenos días , alguien que hable español ?
[08:24] <xu-help70w> Tengo un problema para bloquear fondo de escritorio en Xubuntu , estoy usando xfconf-query
[08:24] <xu-help70w> para ver si me podéis echar una mano
[08:27] <xu-help70w> Nadie ?
[08:46] <i12laroa> Hi , Someone knows how to block the wallpaper in Xubuntu ?
[08:46] <i12laroa> I tried with the commando xfconf-query
[08:47] <i12laroa> When i put the command in the terminal , it works . However , if I write the same command inside a script , it doesn´t work
[08:47] <i12laroa> I tried to put in cron too but it doesnt work
[08:47] <i12laroa> Anyone can help me ?
[09:33] <dayman> Hey all just a quick question! I have xubuntu installed, and want to get rid of x-windows. But when I use apt to remove xfce, it wants to install a load of ubuntu desktop packages instead. I assume there's some 'desktop' metapackage I need to remove, but which is it?
[09:41] <dayman> Update: it was just the notification daemon that was required
[09:42] <dayman> And when I tried to remove that, it wanted to install another one, which of course brought with it an entire other desktop
[10:24] <pikapika> Does xubuntu 21.04 have wayland?
[11:43] <murphy61> ndisgtk para xubuntu 20.04?
[12:25] <Maik> pikapika: i thought we talked about it before, only Ubuntu has wayland by default, the other desktop flavors still use Xorg because they aren't ready yet to work with wayland
[12:26] <pikapika> Ok
[12:26] <pmjdebruijn> also starting a live-cd in a VM to verify this, is easy enough
[17:10] <pikapika> pmjdebruijn, what were you testing?
[20:53] <garotosopa> Hi. I once used bluetooth to copy a file to my phone and since then I'm getting a root password prompt when I log in, related to rfkill. How can I get rid of this prompt and enable bluetooth for good? I've tried adding myself to sudoers to run rfkill with nopasswd, but it didn't help. Any suggestion?


[01:27] <akgraner> holstein, internalkernel et all
[01:27] <akgraner> can we come up with a standard welcome message for new team members this week?
[01:27] <akgraner> I'll start one in the morning and share the googledoc - please add what all you would have like to have know when you joined the team
[02:16] <jeffrash> Raygun, are you still using your OG Droid?
[02:23] <holstein> akgraner: sure
[02:24] <holstein> im thinking 'welcome to the team, now get to work!' :)
[11:32] <akgraner> holstein, :-) NIce
[13:24] <akgraner> oh we've started an ubuntu-leadership team....for anyone interested in joining


[06:53] <ara> good morning all!
[09:10] <dholbach> hola
[09:11] <ara> hey
[09:11] <dholbach> ara: do you know if somebody else noticed that too?
[09:11] <ara> dholbach, jockey?
[09:12] <dholbach> jockey and the "I found a CD with software" dialogue
[09:12] <dholbach> during an ubiquity install
[09:12] <ara> jockey yes (I am looking for the bug report)
[09:12]  * dholbach hugs ara
[09:12] <ara> the dialogue... first time I heard that one
[09:13] <dholbach> ara: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/Bildschirmfoto-QEMU.png
[09:14] <ara> dholbach, what does that dialog mean?
[09:14] <ara> :)
[09:15] <dholbach> the one in the front is jockey
[09:15] <dholbach> the one behind it is the "I found a CD with software packages, do you want to start synaptic" one
[09:15] <ara> dholbach, I know, I was asking about what jockey says
[09:16] <dholbach> ah, sorry
[09:16] <dholbach> "this system does not use any proprietary drivers"
[09:18] <ara> dholbach, then that's fine
[09:18] <ara> dholbach, can you try one thing, please?
[09:19] <dholbach> ara: sure
[09:19] <ara> dholbach, can you try to select install directly from the boot menu (instead of live cd) and see if it reproduces?
[09:19] <dholbach> sure
[09:24] <dholbach> ara: no, not reproducable, it's installing now
[09:25] <ara> dholbach, OK, I will investigate then, thanks. casper might be confused :)
[09:26] <dholbach> ara: shall I just file a bug on casper about it?
[09:26] <ara> dholbach, sure, go ahead
[09:26] <dholbach> a bug on jockey about looking VERY boring when there's no proprietary drivers would probably be in order too :)
[09:27] <ara> dholbach, hehehe, indeed
[09:27] <dholbach> alrightie
[09:27]  * dholbach hugs ara
[09:27]  * ara hugs dholbach!
[09:27] <dholbach> ara: I'll make you cry today then
[09:35] <dholbach> oh, "We are not testing at the moment"
[09:37] <ara> dholbach, that's for milestone testing :)
[09:37] <ara> can you post here the bug numbers, please?
[09:38] <dholbach> bug 520868
[09:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 520868 in casper (Ubuntu) "jockey and update-manager start in live session (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520868
[09:40] <dholbach> bug 520871
[09:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 520871 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey looks rather emtpy and weird if no proprietary drivers are used (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520871
[10:41] <davmor2> morning everybody
[10:47] <ara> morning davmor2
[13:33] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3
[13:34] <cr3> davmor2: hey dude
[13:36]  * ara -> lunch
[18:42] <nagappan> davmor2, ping
[18:42] <nagappan> davmor2, seems this bug haven't fixed
[18:42] <nagappan> davmor2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/519505
[18:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519505 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Pressing Enter or using sudo command with NVidia driver hangs / reboots the system (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[18:47] <davmor2> nagappan: :( wounder.  I'll try another install it may of been a fluke.
[19:09] <nagappan> davmor2, sure
[19:09] <nagappan> davmor2, thanks for your support :)


[02:30] <arooni-mobile> hey folks;  im on an ubuntu 14.04 laptop and id like a bitter vnc viewer than vinagre.  when i connect to my mac mini that has two 1920x1080 displays i am either too far zoomed in or out.  i'd like to view only one display at a time via vnc.  how can i do this?
[10:34] <devster31> on a live server I should only install new updates if they're security upgrades?
[11:46] <coreycb> jamespage, beisner: hello, 1:2.2+dfsg-5expubuntu9.7~cloud5 is ready for promotion to kilo-proposed when you have a moment
[13:13] <jamespage> coreycb, ok got it
[13:14] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks.  AMZ_ ^
[13:15] <coreycb> AMZ_, it'll need some time to build and publish binaries then qemu will be available to test in kilo-proposed
[13:15] <AMZ_> jamespage: coreycb: thanks! i'll keep an eye on it
[13:16] <jamespage> done
[13:24] <coreycb> jamespage, we're going to leave paramiko at >= 1.16.0 for b1.  there were missing directories in the released tarball that d/watch points at.  the maintainer said he'll be updating to 2.0.0 soon so we can pick it up in b2.
[13:25] <coreycb> ddellav and I were chatting with him
[13:26] <jamespage> coreycb, ok
[13:26] <ddellav> coreycb jamespage though his latest email says he's almost done with updating it
[13:27] <coreycb> ddellav, hmm. ok.
[13:29] <coreycb> ddellav, alright well nova and cinder are just about ready to upload so I think I'll just upload with >= 1.16.0 and we can bump d/control afterward for b2.
[13:30] <ddellav> coreycb: ok sounds like a plan
[13:35] <coreycb> ddellav, looks like monascaclient needs an MIR (for heat)
[13:36] <ddellav> coreycb: ok, I'll add that to my todo list
[13:36] <coreycb> ddellav, ok thanks
[13:36] <coreycb> ddellav, this can be a good reference to understand why something is stuck in proposed: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[14:03] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: nova and cinder uploaded
[14:42] <nixnothing> morning
[14:48] <jamespage> ddellav, coreycb: dealing with python-babel being stuck in proposed - openerp6.1 need a fixup
[14:51] <coreycb> jamespage, ok need a hand with that?
[14:51] <jamespage> coreycb, nah is just using old pkg names
[14:52] <coreycb> jamespage, ok
[14:52] <jamespage> coreycb, btw I did a bit of a re-jib on the ubuntu theme in the dashboaard
[14:53] <jamespage> if i've got it right, its always installed, and is end-user selectable
[14:53] <jamespage> its the default all the time unless someone changes their mind of reconfigures things
[14:56] <coreycb> jamespage, awesome I'll take a look.  selectable in local_settings.py?
[14:58] <jamespage> coreycb, yes
[14:58] <jamespage> DEFAULT_THEME
[14:59] <coreycb> jamespage, ok. cool, looks like the changes also limit the static assets compression to once per install too.
[14:59] <jamespage> coreycb, yes - thus avoiding that trigger thing I was talking about
[15:00] <coreycb> jamespage, great
[15:00] <coreycb> jamespage, I'd like your opinion on bug 1574144 when you have a sec
[15:02] <jamespage> coreycb, hmm I wonder
[15:02] <jamespage> coreycb, might be related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/horizon/+bug/1584040
[15:04] <coreycb> jamespage, hmm not sure.  basically it's a result of installing openstack-dashboard when apache2 is already installed but apache2 is not running at install time.
[15:05] <coreycb> jamespage, then openstack-dashboard.postinst fails here if apache2 is down:  apache2_invoke enconf $CONF || exit $?
[15:06] <jamespage> coreycb, hmm
[16:24] <nacc> sdeziel: would you be able to help me verify if LP: #1457957 is the same underlying issue as the puppet bug you're working?
[16:25] <nacc> sdeziel: on cursory reading so far, it seems like it must be :)
[16:27] <sdeziel> nacc: yes, looks like the same thing to me. Let me try to reproduce in a Vivid container
[16:27] <nacc> sdeziel: thanks!
[16:28] <nacc> sdeziel: it might need a trusty -> vivid upgrade (so you had upstart at some point), but not sure
[16:45] <rbasak> magicalChicken: please can I have a progress update from you on bug 869017, bug 1394403 and 1511222? No progress is an acceptable report.
[16:49] <coreycb> jamespage, ddellav: new oslo.messaging uploaded.  I failed to merge the ubuntu delta on my last upload.  should be fixed now.
[16:51] <magicalChicken> rbasak: Hey, I have not made any progress on the bugs yet, sorry about that. I got sidetracked with curtin work. I see the patch for 1511222 and I can get that patched into the apache package this afternoon
[16:51] <magicalChicken> As for 1394403 I was not able to reproduce the bug after the original patch that was uploaded was applied using the method provided in the comments. I'll try again with the method from the original report though
[16:52] <magicalChicken> For the kbd bug I am kind of at a loss as to how to deal with that, aside from setting consoleblank=0 in the default grub configuration, but modifying boot seems a bit overkill for a minor bug
[16:54] <sdeziel> nacc: so the Vivid issue really looks the same as the Xenial/Yakkety one
[16:55] <nacc> sdeziel: great, thanks! can you put a comment in and mark it as a dupe? I trust your judgment in this regard. And we're not going to be fixing vivid anyways, so it makes sense to indicate it is fixed in xenial, at least
[16:56] <nacc> (once it is)
[16:56] <sdeziel> nacc: but the problem is not fixed in Xenial yet
[16:57] <nacc> sdeziel: yes, hence the parenthetical caveat
[16:57] <nacc> sdeziel: the bug is the same, we'll fix it in one place (bug)
[16:58] <sdeziel> nacc: ah, sorry
[16:58] <nacc> sdeziel: np, i was being overly verbose -- i agree with your assessment, if you could put a comment in and indicate it's a duplicate of the other bug, that'd be great (or i can later today)
[16:59] <sdeziel> in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet/+bug/1495853, paelzer mentioned: "There is a known issue in case upstart is installed - not 100% a dup, that is tracked in bug 1457957"
[17:00] <Odd_Bloke> jackdpeterson: o/
[17:00] <sdeziel> I'll dig deeper as apparently Debian now always use the "service" wrapper and it seems to work for them
[17:00] <Odd_Bloke> jackdpeterson: What version of Vagrant are you using?
[17:00] <jackdpeterson> Latest (1.8.1, virtual box also at latest)
[17:01] <Odd_Bloke> jackdpeterson: On Ubuntu, or...?
[17:01] <jackdpeterson> Actually, on Mac OS-X  ... but my colleagues could reproduce this issue across host OS's
[17:02] <nacc> sdeziel: ah ok, thanks
[17:03] <Odd_Bloke> jackdpeterson: I've updated that bug with what I'm seeing.
[17:04] <jackdpeterson> Glad you could reproduce the issue :-)
[17:04] <Odd_Bloke> jackdpeterson: Umm, I don't think I am reproducing the issue there; the box works fine for me.
[17:04] <jackdpeterson> hmm, let me give it a shot on one of my ubuntu boxes to see if I can reproduce here in my strange alternate reality
[17:05] <Odd_Bloke> jackdpeterson: Sure; I'm heading out now (I'm UK-based), but if you update the bug and ping me again tomorrow then we can keep working through it. :)
[17:05] <jackdpeterson> Sure thing
[17:06] <Odd_Bloke> jackdpeterson: (One thought: I have a pretty hefty machine so my boot might be happening before some timeout causes a failure to reported?)
[17:06] <Odd_Bloke> Anyway, now I'm gone.
[17:07] <jackdpeterson> Ah, well the other part of this is that it *should* be using the vagrant user and not ubuntu as the user to be consistent with that target environment.
[17:27] <voot> Anyone have experience with FreeRADIUS? I'm writing some unlang, and my %{Group} variable expansion is returning an empty list, even when "id <username>" returns a full list of group membership
[17:31] <genii> voot: Now to wait until someone knowledgable on the subject responds :)
[17:31]  * genii makes more coffee
[17:43] <etropes> hi there
[17:43] <jelly> or ask in #freeradius
[17:47] <cpaelzer> sdeziel: nacc: I just thought them to be related at least - that is why I just put it in as a note
[17:48] <cpaelzer> nacc: sdeziel: I lack some of your contect - did I accidentially misclassify something there?
[17:49] <nacc> cpaelzer: no, i think you're good
[17:49] <cpaelzer> nacc: ok, thanks
[18:04] <coreycb> ddellav, need any uploads sponsored?
[18:04] <ddellav> coreycb did you do the neutron-* packages? i dont remember seeing confirmation on those
[18:05] <coreycb> ddellav, nope, I saw your name by them
[18:05] <coreycb> ddellav, I sponsored an upload for neutron-fwaas
[18:05] <ddellav> coreycb ok lbaas and vpnaas are done too, let me post the links
[18:15] <coreycb> ddellav, ok working on lbaas, let me know when vpnaas is ready
[18:17] <ddellav> coreycb ok, pushing it now but launchpad seems to be really slow
[18:17] <ddellav> either that or my connection is bad
[18:17] <coreycb> ddellav, it might be, there was an outage today
[18:18] <ddellav> yea, i know IRC was down for awhile
[18:18] <ddellav> didnt know that spread to launchpad
[18:18] <coreycb> ddellav, lp seems ok for me now
[18:18] <ddellav> coreycb lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/neutron-vpnaas ready for review. I couldn't build due to mock
[18:19] <coreycb> ddellav, we decided not to bump mock for b1
[18:19] <ddellav> coreycb oh i thought that was only paramiko
[18:19] <ddellav> i'll drop it back down and rebuild
[18:19] <coreycb> ddellav, k thanks
[18:20] <coreycb> ddellav, neutron-lbaas pushed/uploaded
[18:22] <ddellav> coreycb rebuilding vpnaas and manila after dropping mock back down to 1.2
[18:22] <coreycb> ddellav, sounds good
[18:22] <ddellav> coreycb oh i gotta do designate too, i'll get that cooking as well
[18:22] <coreycb> ddellav, ok
[18:32] <coreycb> ddellav, next time around for the *aas we should bump python-neutron to the current yakkety level
[18:33] <ddellav> coreycb ok noted
[19:01] <ddellav> coreycb lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/manila lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/designate lp:~ddellav/ubuntu/+source/neutron-vpnaas ready for review
[19:06] <coreycb> ddellav, taking a look, they build ok?
[19:06] <ddellav> coreycb yep, all green
[19:06] <coreycb> ddellav, greaT
[19:21] <coreycb> ddellav, ok all are pushed/uploaded
[19:22] <ddellav> coreycb ok great, thanks
[19:23] <coreycb> ddellav, yep np.  now on to ensuring nothing is stuck in proposed and we'll get everything backported to the Newton UCA, then test.
[20:34] <EmilienM> coreycb: did you update neutron packaging in Mitaka/Xenial?
[20:34] <EmilienM> tempest fails to run now :(
[20:34] <EmilienM> http://logs.openstack.org/98/326698/1/check/gate-puppet-openstack-integration-3-scenario001-tempest-ubuntu-xenial/bc5b5c2/console.html#_2016-06-07_19_37_25_274
[20:38] <coreycb> EmilienM, we did a stable release for neutron but none for neutron-*aas
[20:38] <coreycb> EmilienM, is neutron-fwaas installed?
[20:38] <EmilienM> yes
[20:39] <EmilienM> coreycb: do you run tempest in your CI?
[20:39] <EmilienM> you might have seen the same thing maybe
[20:39] <coreycb> EmilienM, we run tempest smoke tests before we release
[20:40] <EmilienM> coreycb: do you deploy fwaas ?
[20:41] <coreycb> EmilienM, mind giving me a sec while I look into this?
[20:42] <EmilienM> coreycb: sure
[20:47] <Belldandu> Guys There have been NUMEROUS bug reports for this same issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfixadmin/+bug/1321955 that have been confirmed OVER and OVER again for the last 2 years about postfixadmin removing mariadb even though its a dropin replacement for mysql
[20:47] <Belldandu> Its getting rediculous at this point]
[20:48] <Belldandu> the fix is as simple as adding mariadb as another alternate dependency aside from mysql and postgressql
[20:48] <Belldandu> and yet
[20:48] <Belldandu> IT HASNT been done
[20:49] <Belldandu> whats worse is
[20:49] <Belldandu> it hasnt been done through SEVERAL ubuntu releases
[20:49] <tgm4883> Belldandu: please don't use enter as punctuation
[20:50] <Belldandu> how has no one caught and fixed this by now with so many confirmed bug reports?
[20:52] <Belldandu> I actually murdered my own mariadb installation a few minutes ago because i completely forgot about this crap.
[20:52] <Belldandu> I fixed it but its annoying because i now have to install postfixadmin from source (which was the main reason i didnt do it before)
[20:54] <rattking> I suppose if you are building from source you could add that dep to the package and build it from the src deb
[20:54] <tgm4883> Belldandu: and in the process, you could submit a patch
[20:56] <Belldandu> im about to do that because im tired of seeing it like that
[20:57] <tgm4883> Belldandu: good, I look forward to seeing that patch
[21:04] <coreycb> EmilienM, I'm not sure what the problem is.  did this ever work on mitaka?
[21:04] <EmilienM> coreycb: yes, like 1 hour ago it worked
[21:04] <coreycb> EmilienM, hmm, ok.  for the neutron packages, we've just released the stable version of neutron 8.1.0.
[21:04] <coreycb> EmilienM, xenial or trusty?
[21:05] <EmilienM> coreycb: xenial
[21:05] <EmilienM> I haven't tested trusty but let me kick off a CI test
[21:06] <EmilienM> let's see if Ubuntu Trusty jobs fail too now https://review.openstack.org/326727
[21:07] <coreycb> EmilienM, neutron 8.1.0 was released to xenial-updates on 5/30/2016 so it can't be that then if it started an hour ago
[21:08] <EmilienM> we pin Tempest since Friday
[21:08] <EmilienM> maybe something between, idk
[21:12] <coreycb> EmilienM, btw it may not be related but mixing pip and apt packages is not a recipe for success, unless the pip packages are isolated in a virtualenv
[21:14] <bulldawgden> Is Zoneminder the best solution for security camera recording?
[21:15] <bulldawgden> For Linux of course
[21:26] <K4k> What's the Ubuntu equivalent of `chkconfig --list`?
[21:27] <K4k> I know adding and removing services is update-rc.d but it doesn't look like it can just list the services and their run levels?
[21:29] <sarnold> K4k: service --status-all is a good start if you're on an ubuntu with upstart
[21:30] <sarnold> K4k: if you want to see what's been disabled, probably "grep manual /etc/init/*" is a decent start point.
[21:30] <K4k> `ls /etc/rc3.d` got me enough to go on. Unfortunately, `service --status-all` just shows if the services are running or not currently.
[21:31] <K4k> `chkconfig --list` shows you each service and if it's on or off for each run level
[22:03] <EmilienM> coreycb: our stable/mitaka CI that pin tempest on latest stable tag is not failing so I suspect something merged in Tempest recently and the upgrade of Neutron broke something
[22:37] <Belldandu> well
[22:37] <Belldandu> i made the patch
[22:37] <Belldandu> but
[22:37] <Belldandu> every time i goto build it complains about fuzz
[22:38] <Belldandu> even tried copying the patch out deleting the entire dir and redownloading it and then copying the patch back in and adding it to series
[22:38] <Belldandu> still complains
[22:40] <sarnold> Belldandu: are you trying to patch the contents of the debian/ directory in a quilt patch?
[22:40] <Belldandu> yeah
[22:41] <nacc> that's not what quilt patches are for
[22:41] <nacc> quilt patches are for source modifications
[22:41] <sarnold> aha :) that won't work -- just modify the debian/ directory's contents directly
[22:42] <Belldandu> fun
[22:43] <nacc> Belldandu: and given that trusty was in sync with  debian, isn't it really a debian bug? has it been fixed upstream (debian?) or the most recent versions in yakkety?
[22:44] <Belldandu> let me see what debian says
[22:46] <Belldandu> cause so far i've only run into this issue on ubuntu
[22:47] <nacc> Belldandu: what removes mariadb? it cna't be doing it silently, so users are saying yes and not paying attention?
[22:47] <Belldandu> yeah
[22:47] <Belldandu> postfixadmin does
[22:48] <Belldandu> it says that either mysql or postgressql is required
[22:48] <Belldandu> if mariadb is installed it installs mysql
[22:48] <Belldandu> which you cant go back to mysql from mariadb
[22:48] <nacc> Belldandu: and why is it removing mariadb? I don't see a conflicts for mysql-client or postgresql-client
[22:49] <Belldandu> because mariadb-client/mysql-server must be listed as an alternate dependency for mysql-client/mysql-server
[22:50] <nacc> Belldandu: -server is a recommends, not a depends
[22:50] <Belldandu> mariadb-server/mysql-server
[22:50] <Belldandu> yeah ik
[22:50] <Belldandu> sec
[22:50] <Belldandu> i typed it out wrong
[22:50] <Belldandu> because mariadb-client must be listed as an alternate dependency for mysql-client
[22:50] <Belldandu> there
[22:51] <nacc> but there's no 'postfix-mariadb'
[22:51] <nacc> so what would the alternative be for that?
[22:51] <nacc> is there a courier-authlib-mariadb?
[22:51] <Belldandu> thats what postfix-mysql is for. Mariadb is a dropin replacement for mysql
[22:51] <Belldandu> everything mysql is integrated in mariadb
[22:51] <Belldandu> mariadb just has more features
[22:52] <nacc> it would seem like mariadb should be doing some sort of provides: for mysql if that were true?
[22:52] <Belldandu> so there is no need for a postfix-mariadb unless you plan to use the extra features in postfix
[22:53] <nacc> i think i recall rbasak telling me something about this
[22:53] <Belldandu> as far as i know mariadb does a replaces on mysql when its installed
[22:53] <nacc> ah it provides
[22:53] <nacc> virtual-mysql-client
[22:53] <tarpman> possibly postfixadmin wants its Depends: mysql-client changed to virtual-mysql-client? that would be a debian bug too, and I don't see an existing one
[22:53] <nacc> so i think that's your fix
[22:54] <nacc> tarpman: jinx!
[22:54] <tarpman> too slow >_<
[22:54] <Belldandu> xD
[22:54] <nacc> Belldandu: simple, straightforward fix, i think ...
[22:54] <Belldandu> yeah
[22:54] <nacc> Belldandu: but yeah, should go to Debian and get sync'd down
[22:55] <nacc> Belldandu: note there is also virtual-mysql-server
[22:56] <nacc> Belldandu: also present in trusty (both virtual packages)
[22:56] <Belldandu> hmm
[22:56] <nacc> Belldandu: but we'd need to get it fixed in yakkety first, then backported per SRU policy
[22:56] <nacc> presuming this qualifies (which it seems like it might)
[22:57] <Belldandu> also
[22:57] <Belldandu> virtual-mysql-client
[22:58] <Belldandu> oh derp
[22:58] <Belldandu> i read that late
[22:58] <Belldandu> xD
[22:58] <tarpman> oh, there is a bug. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778794
[22:58] <Belldandu> yeah im not sure why i havent seen that till now
[22:59] <tarpman> the postgres dep looks wrong too, there doesn't seem to be a package called postgresql-server, rather postgres...
[22:59] <Belldandu> yeah
[22:59] <tarpman> *postgresql
[22:59] <Belldandu> i remember there being a bug report about that too
[22:59] <Belldandu> something about the dependency being old
[22:59] <Belldandu> for postgres
[23:01] <Belldandu> supposedly there is an upstream package that contains the fix already in debian
[23:01] <tarpman> ah yeah. fixed in 2.3.7-1, which is in wily
[23:01] <tarpman> so that would be an SRU candidate already
[23:03] <Belldandu> virtual-mysql-client/server is in yakkety all the way back to precise
[23:04] <Belldandu> although in precise mariadb doesnt exist
[23:09] <lamont> nacc: postfix-mysql Depends: libmysqldb${number}, it doesn't care about clients
[23:09] <Belldandu> yeah
[23:09] <lamont> so unless the library is abi-compatible, you'll want to request a postfix-mariadb.  patches welcome, of course.
[23:11] <lamont> if there's interest, please do file the bug though, with or without the patch
[23:11] <lamont> and no, I don't care if you file it against debian or ubuntu
[23:12] <Belldandu> MariaDB is a fork of the MySQL database project that provides a drop-in replacement for MySQL. It preserves API/ABI compatibility with MySQL and adds some new features.
[23:12] <Belldandu> so yes its abi compatible
[23:13] <lamont> abi compatible to the extent of having the same library filename?
[23:13] <lamont> api-compatible I believe.
[23:13] <lamont> abi is work
[23:13] <nacc> lamont: ack, i was just looking at the packaging without too much knowledge ad figured we'd want the alternatives to be correct for all cases
[23:13] <nacc> *and
[23:13] <lamont> hrm...
[23:14] <Belldandu> mariadb was forked made by some of the original mysql developers
[23:14] <lamont> actually... if you grab the latest postfix, and install postfix-mysql and then smash /etc/postfix/dynamicmaps.cf to point to the mariadb library, does it even work?
[23:14] <lamont> forked usually means abi differences, even if api remains the same
[23:15] <Belldandu> sure there are some differences however they maintained compatiblity for both api and abi with mysql
[23:15] <lamont> Belldandu: I'd recommend going the postfix-mariadb route
[23:15] <lamont> and, knowing the maintainer like I do, I'm sure he'd agree. :D
[23:16] <Belldandu> there is no postfix-mariadb though
[23:16] <lamont> that would be why I said to file a bug if you want it to exist.
[23:16] <Belldandu> even how to forge gives "installation guides" saying to use postfix-mysql with mariadb
[23:16] <sarnold> lamont :)
[23:17] <Belldandu> Now we can install Postfix, Dovecot, MariaDB (as MySQL replacement), rkhunter, and binutils with a single command:
[23:17] <lamont> the abi that postfix is compiled against for xenial says that the name of the library shall be "libmysqlclient.so.20".  IOW, no, it's not fully ABI compatible at the library level.
[23:17] <Belldandu> apt-get install postfix postfix-mysql postfix-doc mariadb-client mariadb-server openssl getmail4 rkhunter binutils dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d dovecot-mysql dovecot-sieve sudo
[23:18] <Belldandu> postfix works completely fine with mariadb
[23:18] <Belldandu> its only postfixadmin thats causing issues
[23:18] <Belldandu> and postfixadmin is strictly php
[23:18] <lamont> that would be a second reason I've never looked at postfixadmin
[23:18] <sarnold> yikes, rkhunter? didn't that have a nice user->root exploit in it?
[23:19] <sarnold> or was that the one that thought upstart was a rootkit?
[23:19] <sarnold> maybe it's both. heh.
[23:19] <lamont> sarnold: I've found that "php" and "root vul" tend to come in the same package, 99% of the time.
[23:19] <sarnold> lamont: pretty good indicator isn't it? :)
[23:20] <Belldandu> so as far as postfixadmin goes there should be no need for postfix-mariadb since postfix works fine with postfix-mysql and mariadb-client/server
[23:20] <lamont> tbf, mostly because the original example code was totally clueless in that regard (what security??? what's that?) and people keep copying it without getting the memo about it being braindead
[23:20] <Belldandu> i actually have an email service with postfix/dovecot/postfix-mysql/mariadb
[23:20] <Belldandu> and its running completely fine xD
[23:21] <lamont> Belldandu: so what you're telling me is that mariadb hijacks^Wreplaces mysql below the library layer?
[23:21] <Belldandu> yeah
[23:21] <Belldandu> its a complete replacement
[23:21] <lamont> then the postfix depends are completely correct, and there is no need for postfix-mariadb
[23:21] <Belldandu> yeah
[23:21] <lamont> so why are we having this conversation? :D
[23:22] <Belldandu> because postfixadmin is being a dork and uninstalling mariadb because its not a alternate dependency for mysql
[23:22] <Belldandu> hence why people suggested it depend on virtual-mysql-client instead of mysql-client
[23:23] <lamont> all of this has nothing to do with the postfix package, which (properly, you tell me) depends on libmysqlclient20
[23:24] <Belldandu> yeah
[23:24]  * lamont goes back to the day-job
[23:24] <Belldandu> we have been complaining about postfixadmin
[23:24] <Belldandu> not postfix
[23:24] <Belldandu> postfixadmin is a php layer over top of postfix
[23:24] <Belldandu> it doesnt come with postfix
[23:24] <Belldandu> its a seperate package
[23:25] <lamont> and will always remain such. :D
[23:25] <Belldandu> yeah
[23:25] <Belldandu> but with postfixadmin removing mariadb when postfix doesnt. It makes installing it from the repo pointless
[23:26] <Belldandu> postfixadmin basically breaks any postfix install thats using mariadb
[23:26] <Belldandu> not to mention anything else using mariadb. simply by installing it
[23:27] <Belldandu> the problem in itself is the postfixadmin dependencies
[23:30] <nacc> Belldandu: i think we get that now, and we know the fix (and there is already a debian bug), right? and it's fixed in the upstream 2.3.8?
[23:30] <Belldandu> is 2.3.8 Xenial?
[23:31] <Belldandu> if so then i'll be upgrading later
[23:35] <nacc> Belldandu: not even in debian yet
[23:35] <nacc> afaict
[23:47] <Belldandu> o.O
[23:48] <tarpman> huh
[23:49] <tarpman> nacc: postfixadmin's mysql-client dependency is not yet fixed in unstable, no. but it's a packaging question afaict, not an upstream one...
[23:50] <tarpman> s/mysql-client dependency/mysql-{client,server} dependencies/


[00:19] <DCPom> i have two partitions of x/ubuntu, how can i choose which one is default?
[00:30] <zoredache> what do you mean, default?
[00:30] <zoredache> how are you switching between them right now?
[01:43] <gometz> i'm having a problem... my task bar disappeared & i don't know how it happened or how to get it back
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> gometz: try alt+f2 and run xfce4-panel
[01:44] <gometz> i'm guessing that should go into the start scripts?
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> did that get your panels back?
[01:44] <gometz> yes it did, ty :)
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> i think something got messed up with your sessions file...
[01:48]  * ball still doesn't really understand sessions.
[01:49] <gometz> probably like a browser session <.<
[01:49] <ball> Browser sessions don't persist across reboots though.
[01:51] <ball> hello DCPom
[01:51] <DCPom> heya ball
[01:57] <ecksii> Howdy
[01:57] <DCPom> hey
[01:57] <ecksii> Anyone have experience with Xubuntu 8.04 and the Asus Eee?
[01:59] <DCPom> !help
[02:01] <ecksii> !eee no network
[02:01] <ecksii> !eee no eth0
[02:02] <ecksii> !eee eth0
[02:02] <gometz> any idea what package chkconfig might be in?
[02:02] <Odd-rationale> !botabuse
[02:02] <Odd-rationale> :P
[02:02] <ecksii> no
[02:02] <ecksii> np
[02:21] <ecksii> I'm having trouble getting wired networking going on an Asus eee with Xubuntu 8.04
[02:22] <ecksii> (The bot's not helping)
[02:48] <ecksii> Looks like xubuntu and the eee are not meant to work together.
[04:30] <xn00b> Hi all
[04:33] <xn00b> Can anybody direct me to some good tuts for setting up networking in xubuntu?
[04:45] <dakun> anyone here?
[04:46] <xn00b> They do suggest patience in here, im waiting too :-)
[04:46] <dakun> oh, i wasnt being impatient, i was just trying to stur responses
[04:46] <xn00b> ok
[04:47] <dakun> umm, for xubuntu 8.10, will it have xfce 4.6.x on it?
[04:47] <xn00b> mission accomplished :-)
[04:47] <dakun> yup
[04:47] <xn00b> do you happen to know of tutorials for getting one's network up and running in xubuntu?
[04:48] <xn00b> it's not native in the Thunar file manager
[04:49] <dakun> umm, if you use samba you can just use the samba, i use smbmount and point it to ~/../share and mount the shared folders from the other computers to those folders. the only drawback i see is that when the other computer isnt connected it laggs the file manager
[04:50] <dakun> i havent figured out how the whole permissions thing work with passworded accounts
[04:50] <xn00b> aha, ok.. thanks for the tip anyway
[04:50] <dakun> np
[04:50] <dakun> umm, for xubuntu 8.10, will it have xfce 4.6.x on it?
[04:51] <xn00b> i cannot answer that question unfortunatly
[04:51] <dakun> damn
[04:51] <dakun> its kinda the only reason i want to update to intrepid
[04:51] <xn00b> ok, I'm a complete newbie
[04:52] <dakun> all the package updates will work for hardy for another year after so i dont want to waste another disc
[04:52] <xn00b> just went from ubuntu --> to xubuntu
[04:52] <dakun> ah
[04:52] <dakun> well im gonna stop using e17 for a while, wait for them to ad some stuff and then check it out again
[04:54] <dakun> i like xubuntu
[04:54] <dakun> less extra stuff that i dont use, granted that there is still stuff like that in there
[04:54] <xn00b> me to, it's much faster on the laptop Im using
[04:55] <xn00b> but a major con with the lack of browsing ones network
[04:55] <dakun> yup, xfce 4.6 is supposed to be even faster
[04:55] <dakun> ues samba
[04:55] <dakun> use'
[04:55] <xn00b> like, for music, video etc
[04:55] <dakun> oh
[04:55] <dakun> just use the bookmark side bar
[04:55] <xn00b> ok, the "server"  have is a Synology NAS
[04:55] <dakun> what?
[04:56] <xn00b> it's does not run Samba
[04:56] <xn00b> but I think it runs windows type of shares.
[04:56] <dakun> oh, your running a xubuntu server, not desktop
[04:56] <dakun> right?
[04:57] <xn00b> no, I'm writing from a xubuntu laptop right now.. and want to gain access to my NAS (synology)
[04:57] <xn00b> on the network
[04:58] <dakun> i have no idea what a NAS synology is
[04:58] <eirehac1> network-attached storage
[04:58] <xn00b> sorry,   NAS (network area storage)   Synology is the brand
[04:58] <xn00b> attached yes
[04:58] <dakun> i see
[04:59] <eirehac1> xn00b: do you have NFS enabled
[05:00] <dakun> have you enabled nfs settings
[05:00] <dakun> agh
[05:00] <dakun> beat me too it
[05:00] <eirehac1> haha sorry bout that, ill be quiet. :/ heh
[05:00] <xn00b> oh, probably now :-)
[05:00] <dakun> its ok, the more help the better
[05:00] <dakun> http://www.synology.com/enu/support/releaseNote/NFS_note.pdf
[05:00] <xn00b> excellect.. thanks
[05:00] <dakun> np
[05:01] <eirehac1> haha good point
[05:01] <dakun> http://www.synology.at/enu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=6642&p=31518
[05:01] <xn00b> I'm trying to get my linux chops together
[05:01] <xn00b> thanks dakun
[05:01] <dakun> np
[05:01] <xn00b> nfs vs. smb   who's the winner?
[05:02] <dakun> idk if that leads to it working but it might point in the right direction
[05:02] <dakun> idk
[05:02] <mconway88> nfs! :D
[05:02] <dakun> nfs...
[05:02] <xn00b> ok mconway88 , is it because it is more transparent?
[05:02] <mconway88> http://www.freeporndumpster.com/images/0841283/whaletail0023.jpg
[05:03] <xn00b> small networks it should be ok i guess.  but larger ones with  security stuff then?...
[05:06] <dakun> personas addon for firefox
[05:06] <dakun> pretty cool
[05:06] <xn00b> what is it?
[05:06] <dakun> its a sorta themeing plugin only its kinda simplified but its still experimental
[05:07] <dakun> its still in the mozilla labs
[05:07] <xn00b> ok
[05:10] <dakun> agh, i cant do anything with gim
[05:10] <dakun> gimp'
[05:11] <XFCEntral> yeahh as much as i like the fact its free over Photoshop, it can be a bit difficult
[05:11] <dakun> a bit?
[05:11] <XFCEntral> haha may be an understatement yes
[05:11] <dakun> i havnt used it for hardly anything but a screenshot or 2
[05:12] <xn00b> I had that dilemma too..  PS is what i've worked with for years
[05:12] <XFCEntral> yeah my girlfriend likes it but i find it wastes space
[05:12] <dakun> ide rather go and download the .net and use pdn
[05:12] <xn00b> its too expensive
[05:12] <dakun> ?
[05:13] <dakun> the .net framework? expensive? did ms start charging for dowloads?
[05:13] <xn00b> no, Photoshop
[05:14] <dakun> oh
[05:14] <dakun> i like inkscape best though
[05:19] <dakun> • There is no need for users to have separate home directories on every network machine. Home directories could be set up on the NFS server and made available throughout the network.
[05:19] <dakun> oh yeah, thats definitly better then smb
[05:22] <xn00b> I'm going to split,  thanks for the help
[05:22] <dakun> np
[05:22] <dakun> cya
[05:41] <DCPom> !ftp
[05:41] <DCPom> should i install nautilus on xubuntu to connect to an FTP server?
[06:33] <JinKazama> DCPom , u can connect with ftp server from the command line
[08:34] <ciapsadm> Hi, everybody
[08:35] <ciapsadm> I have a problem with Xubuntu,
[08:36] <ciapsadm> Not detect GPS
[08:37] <ciapsadm> I put the USB cable and I shoved in my GPS and nothing appears to Xubuntu to install or configure
[08:39] <ciapsadm> Led to the GPS on, but the computer does not detect anything
[08:39] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: what program are you using to read from the gps?
[08:41] <ciapsadm> Not program
[08:42] <ciapsadm> I do not use GPS program in Xubuntu
[08:42] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: then what do you need gps for?
[08:44] <ciapsadm> I want to get some music on it, as are the card in it
[08:44] <XFCEntral> do you have a card reader?
[08:45] <ciapsadm> Not
[08:46] <XFCEntral> maybe your GPS will let you manage the music and photos on your card on the computer, but that was probably meant for Windows, or Win and Mac. :(
[08:46] <ciapsadm> How do you detect Xubuntu I connect the GPS to the computer?
[08:46] <XFCEntral> which company made your GPS unit?
[08:48] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: you can try 'lsusb' in terminal and see if it's listed
[08:48] <ciapsadm> Company is G P S
[08:48] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: also dmesg may show you some messages related to it
[08:51] <ciapsadm> XFCEntral: The problem as not windoze not go
[08:53] <ciapsadm> TheSheep: I wrote in terminal lsusb not give me anything appears
[08:54] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: then it doesn't even detect the device
[08:54] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: is it on?
[08:54] <ciapsadm> TheSheep: Look what I appear: http://www.pastebin.ca/1230012
[09:06] <tape> moro
[09:16] <Waltman15> I have a question.. Im hoping someone can answer.
[09:17] <Waltman15> Is anyone here at the moment?
[09:18] <TheSheep> !ask
[09:18] <Waltman15> Im sorry.. I was wondering if it is considered legal for me to distribute CDs with Xubuntu and Ubuntu burned on to them for the price I payed for the CD?
[09:21] <TheSheep> Waltman15: it depends on the licences of the software contined on the cd, but most of it is either GPL or BSD licence, and they permit it
[09:22] <TheSheep> Waltman15: actually, they permit you to charge any amount of money for it
[09:22] <TheSheep> Waltman15: note that I'm not a lawyer though
[09:22] <Waltman15> So if I do sell these CDs i should be in the clear legally?
[09:24] <tape> How I do this
[09:25] <Waltman15> I have to go to bed. Thanks TheSheep! I appreciate the elp!
[09:25] <Waltman15> help*
[09:46] <ciapsadm_> TheSheep
[09:47] <ciapsadm_> I managed to follow, but do not have access to the disk (card)
[09:52] <TheSheep> ciapsadm_: I don't know, maybe try googling for the model name of your device and 'ubuntu' or 'linux'
[09:54] <ciapsadm_> But I managed to follow;)
[09:54] <ciapsadm_> Just do not know why I can not change anything on the card, I do not have access
[10:24] <slow-motion> hi
[10:25] <ciapsadm_> Hi
[10:27] <jarnos> Would Skipstone be nice lightweight browser?
[10:30] <jarnos> Anybody tried midbrowser? It works in 8.10.
[10:30] <jarnos> " a mobile web browser based on Firefox"
[10:35] <jarnos> netsurf is yet another lightweight web browser; no javascript, though. People with old computers might like to know about these.
[10:56] <MadBrozzeR> Hi. Does anyone know how to make Wine understand ru_RU.UTF-8?
[10:57] <MadBrozzeR> Is there someone alive?..
[13:08] <DarkLimit> Hi guys, I installed Xubuntu and when I installed the updates  it refuses to load and takes me to a busybox screen why is that?
[13:08] <knome> DarkLimit, check that xfce session is selected at gdm login
[13:09] <DarkLimit> is this before I update it?
[13:10] <knome> DarkLimit, you do get a graphical login screen after updates?
[13:10] <DarkLimit> no none at all.....
[13:10] <DarkLimit> just a buysbox screen and nothign happens
[13:10] <DarkLimit> just sits there...
[13:11] <knome> you probably mean that it is on command line interface?
[13:11] <DarkLimit> you got it
[13:12] <DarkLimit> won't even le t em get to the logon screen
[13:12] <DarkLimit> me
[13:12] <knome> not even the CLI one?
[13:12] <DarkLimit> what you mean CLI? sorry new to this
[13:13] <knome> command line interface = cli
[13:14] <DarkLimit> it's a dos screen if thats what you mean
[13:15] <knome> yes.
[13:15] <DarkLimit> yes
[13:15] <knome> but do you get cli login?
[13:17] <DarkLimit> all it shows is the version of ubuntu and it sits at infanate command line if I spelled that correctly..
[13:18] <knome> does it say "machine-name login:" ?
[13:18] <DarkLimit> no
[13:18] <knome> ok, do you have any output on tty1 (press ctrl+alt+f1)
[13:21] <DarkLimit> I can't check I uninstalled it and am re-doing it
[13:21] <DarkLimit> and
[13:21] <knome> DarkLimit, ok, good luck with the installation this time. i hope all goes well
[13:21] <DarkLimit> but all went wrong after I did the update... I just won't update it
[13:22] <knome> yeah, and we might never get the bug fixed/problem solved...
[13:22] <knome> anyway, i will go and eat now. ->
[13:24] <DarkLimit> thanks alot
[14:22] <vidd> Odd-rationale, can you come to #xubuntu-offtopic ? i have a question about lxde in ubuntu
[15:00] <gulzar> Hi, where could i find acer-acpi and acerwificontroller packages?
[15:01] <vidd> gulzar, your running an acer computer?
[15:01] <gulzar> vidd, yes.
[15:02] <gulzar> Actually both, acer and a toshiba. Both having the same wifi problem.
[15:02] <vidd> acer-acpi is now bundled with linux kernel since 2.6.25 or 2.6.24 for Ubuntu
[15:02] <gulzar> As both have the same cards.
[15:03] <vidd> so...
[15:03] <vidd> what does lspci say the wifi card is?
[15:03] <gulzar> Linux gulzar-laptop 2.6.22-15-generic #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 18:39:13 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[15:03] <vidd> update your kernel =]
[15:04] <vidd> anyway....
[15:04] <vidd> about the wifi card
[15:04] <gulzar> Im on 7.10 and i have already done an upgrade.
[15:04] <gulzar> I think i have the lastest of the repository.
[15:04] <gulzar> yes
[15:05] <vidd> what does lspci say the card is?
[15:05] <gulzar> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5006EG 802.11 b/g Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[15:06] <vidd> ic...
[15:06] <vidd> you should simply upgrade your kernel...reboot, and enjoy the card....
[15:07] <vidd> is aceracpi in your synaptic?
[15:08] <gulzar> There is no package by acer*
[15:08] <gulzar> vidd, So that means i got to compile it bu hand :(
[15:08] <vidd> no
[15:09]  * gulzar checks the repo
[15:09] <vidd> let me find the deb....
[15:09] <gulzar> thanks.
[15:11] <vidd> gulzar, of course, if you just upgraded to hardy (8.04.1) you would get it automatically
[15:12] <gulzar> Oh, i dont want to upgrade the distro :(
[15:13] <gulzar> vidd, I would be happy to install the deb.
[15:14] <vidd> gulzar, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/base/ is where you find the deb's for the various kernel images
[15:15] <vidd> make sure you get all the dependencies
[15:15] <vidd> and make a back-up of your stuff before you proceed
[15:15] <gulzar> So i should not worry about that being hardy?
[15:16] <vidd> just need to upgrade
[15:17] <vidd> should be ok
[15:18] <gulzar> Thanks :)
[15:18] <gulzar> vidd, Ill look into it.
[15:51] <Odd-rationale> vidd: hey there! i just woke up... :P pm me if you wish...
[15:55] <tzolkin> Hi~~ can xubuntu install evolution?
[15:55] <TheSheep> yes
[15:57] <tzolkin> i download one, it's tar.bz2, and i don't know how to install it.
[16:01] <TheSheep> tzolkin: go to system->synaptic, search for evolution, install it
[16:01] <TheSheep> tzolkin: you don't have to download anything yourself
[16:02] <tzolkin> Ah... that's great, thank you =)
[16:47] <ciapsadm> How do I install my video card?
[16:47] <vidd> ciapsadm, which video card you got?
[16:48] <TheSheep> ciapsadm: you power off your computer, open its case, find the right slot for your card, insert it, close the case, power on the computer
[16:48] <vidd> TheSheep, i think ciapsadm means "the drivers"
[16:48] <Grey_Loki> Don't forget to connect a monitor if you want to see what you're doing
[16:49]  * Grey_Loki whistles
[16:49] <TheSheep> vidd: ah, yeah, you will need a screwdriver for that
[16:50] <vidd> ciapsadm, what video card you have?
[16:50] <ciapsadm> vidd: Via
[16:51] <knome> viae omnes romam ducunt.
[16:51] <vidd> ciapsadm, go to their website and follow the instructions
[16:52] <vidd> if its the same kinds i have, the drivers are not built into the kernal
[16:52] <vidd> but i usually get by with the vesa driver that is built in to the kernel
[16:54] <ciapsadm> Exactly what should I do?
[16:54] <vidd> go to via's web site
[16:54] <vidd> locate your card
[16:54] <ciapsadm> OK
[16:55] <vidd> follow the instructions on the site
[16:55] <DarkJesus> Hello
[16:55] <vidd> hello DarkJesus
[16:55] <knome> o.ó
[16:55] <DarkJesus> Erm
[16:56] <DarkJesus> What is the username and password for the live cd?
[16:56] <vidd> ubuntu and black (i beleive)
[16:56] <vidd> verify username by opening /home
[16:56] <ciapsadm> How do you see in Xubuntu what I love video
[16:58] <vidd> ciapsadm, huh???
[16:59] <ciapsadm> We came up here: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=2&OSID=45
[17:00] <vidd> ok
[17:01] <vidd> click the "integrated graphics" link
[17:01] <vidd> since you want the driver for your integrated graphics card
[17:02] <vidd> DarkJesus, password is "blank" (as in there is no password)
[17:03] <charlie-tca> DarkJesus: oth, there is a 10 second timer that will count down and then it
[17:03] <charlie-tca> will log in automatically, if you wait
[17:17] <ciapsadm> I gave there on the graphic
[17:17] <vidd> ciapsadm, is this a new board?
[17:18] <ciapsadm> Yes
[17:18] <ciapsadm> Here: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=2&OSID=45&CatID=3220
[17:18] <vidd> then look at the box it came in, and find the graphics card
[17:19] <vidd> OR run lspci in terminal and get the info there
[17:21] <vidd> pastebin your lspci if you want (http://pastebin.com)
[17:25] <ciapsadm> vidd: http://www.pastebin.ca/1230288
[17:26] <vidd> ciapsadm, line 25 tells you EXACTLY which driver you need to download from the site
[17:26] <ciapsadm> I need to link
[17:27] <vidd> no...you need to THINK
[17:27] <ciapsadm> Can not find
[17:27] <vidd> you gave ME the link to the page already
[17:28] <vidd> im not going to drive out to your house to int=stall it for you
[17:32] <Demios> i have question that is not xubuntu related, I just got a new laptop and it lists two hdd partitions. I'm certain there is not two hdds in here, how do I tell if it is one hdd that is partitioned?
[17:33] <vidd> Demios, does it have a "recovery" feature in windows?
[17:33] <Demios> yes
[17:34] <vidd> then the larger partition is the main hard drive, and the smaller partition is the "recovery" partition....one hard drive
[17:34] <Demios> the second hdd is empty
[17:35] <vidd> does the "recovery" thing in windows work?
[17:39] <vidd> Demios, are you saying that in windows explorer it shows 2 partitions? or in linux?
[17:52] <DCPom> can i use a 10.0.X.X local IP or do i have to use 192.168.X.X
[17:52] <vidd> DCPom, sure you can
[17:53] <DCPom> is it the same X.X because i couldn't find a 10.0.X.X in ifconfid
[17:53] <DCPom> ifconfig*
[17:53] <vidd> does your router have dhcp enabled?
[17:54] <DCPom> :\ i don't know...
[17:55] <vidd> do you know your router's IP address?
[17:55] <DCPom> yes
[17:56] <vidd> what is it
[17:56] <vidd> ?
[17:56] <DCPom> the local is <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:57] <vidd> so you are going to set up static IP on this machine?
[17:57] <vidd> and hard-wired or wifi?
[17:57] <DCPom> yes and wifi
[17:57] <DCPom> well
[17:57] <DCPom> actually half and half
[17:58] <DCPom> because my *nix is connected via ethernet to a wireless ibook
[17:58] <vidd> so the ibook is the router
[17:58] <vidd> do you have it configured as such?
[17:59] <DCPom> i have it forwarding ethernet, so yes (i think)
[18:00] <vidd> what is its ip address?
[18:00] <vidd> for the nic card
[18:01] <DCPom> i don't understand the question, what do you mean nic card?
[18:01] <vidd> DCPom, normal configuration for internet sharing is in via lan, share via wifi
[18:02] <vidd> so what is the ip address of the ibook's lan card
[18:02] <DCPom> ah <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:02] <vidd> so your *nix needs to have its gateway set as <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:03] <DCPom> how do i set that?
[18:04] <jannott> Hey.  Kernel just says cannot configure camera and so endlessli
[18:09] <vidd> DCPom, this might help: http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugbasicnet.html
[18:10] <DCPom> thank you
[18:48] <kushalsejwal> I tried to boot my pc from my LiveUSB pen drive with Xubuntu 8.04 by using usb creater0.1.9. It booted but then I was not able to see GUI mode but it stared some command line which was "busy box v1.1.3 ...... build in shell..... initramfs ..." Pls help?
[18:49] <kushalsejwal> can anybody help me :(
[18:50] <vidd> kushalsejwal, can that system boot from normal livecd?
[18:50] <kushalsejwal> I havent burned the .iso yet I tried
[18:51] <vidd> how much ram?
[18:51] <kushalsejwal> vidd: xubuntu-8.04.1-desktop-i386 is what I downloaded from xubuntu site I hope its the correct live CD one
[18:53] <kushalsejwal> 512
[18:53] <vidd> if your system meets the minimal requirements, and is intel processor or AMD32 processor...should be the right image
[18:53] <kushalsejwal> vidd: I have ATI graphic card is that what creating the problem
[18:53] <vidd> quite possible
[18:53]  * vidd never uses the live cd....
[18:53] <kushalsejwal> yeah mine is 32 bit so I installed the i386 which is I gues st the right one
[18:54] <vidd> its always more trouble thenm its worth
[18:54] <kushalsejwal> I do use live CD often but I thought to try Xubuntu this time I have always use only Ubuntu or kubuntu live CDs
[18:54] <vidd> do either of those run on that system?
[18:55] <kushalsejwal> yeah they do
[18:55] <vidd> then the issue is most likely the pendrive image isnt working correctly
[18:55] <vidd> a proper live cd burn should be fine
[18:56] <kushalsejwal> vidd: actually I wanted to check it before wasting a CD that was the primary reason I tried it on pendrive but I guess I have to use a Cd for this
[18:58] <vidd> then make a testbox
[18:58] <vidd> set up qemu
[18:59] <vidd> then install the iso onto the qemu
[18:59] <kushalsejwal> qemu? testbox?
[18:59] <vidd> if it fails, the image is bad
[18:59] <vidd> !qemu
[19:00] <vidd> it will let you create a sort-off virtual machine on that system
[19:00] <kushalsejwal> okay so is it like virtual box/
[19:00] <kushalsejwal> ?
[19:00] <vidd> you mount the iso as the cdrom for the qemu environment and install
[19:00] <vidd> yes
[19:01] <kushalsejwal> okay I got it I would try it that way
[19:01] <kushalsejwal> so vidd you use xubuntu?
[19:01] <vidd> yes
[19:01] <kushalsejwal> how is it? as compared to ubuntu
[19:01] <vidd> i prefer to install from the mini iso
[19:01] <vidd> i prefer it
[19:02] <vidd> the mini iso is < 10 MB
[19:02] <vidd> only has the stuff get your network up and running....
[19:03] <kushalsejwal> oh minimal installtion I heard about it but dont konw what exactly it is would google about it
[19:03] <vidd> and you can install any and all *buntu's with the one disk
[19:03] <vidd> no...not minimal install
[19:03] <vidd> net install
[19:03] <kushalsejwal> ok through internet
[19:04] <kushalsejwal> like we install packages thru it
[19:04] <kushalsejwal> right
[19:04] <vidd> yep
[19:04] <kushalsejwal> never tried it but sounds cool ;)
[19:04] <vidd> and you can install xubuntu from it, cli-only from it, ubuntu from it, etc
[19:04] <kushalsejwal> ok
[19:05] <vidd> so which version you want? 7.04, 7.10, 8.04, 8.10?
[19:06] <vidd> they even have dapper
[19:06] <vidd> =]
[19:07] <vidd> kushalsejwal, which version?
[19:07] <vidd> so i can post the link
[19:07] <kushalsejwal> I want 8.10
[19:08] <vidd> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[19:08] <vidd> the file is "mini.iso
[19:08] <vidd> 9.9MB
[19:09] <kushalsejwal> okay
[19:09] <kushalsejwal> so just boot the pc from this and everything is done
[19:09] <kushalsejwal> right
[19:10] <vidd> no...it will start an installer program
[19:11] <Odd-rationale> the mini.iso downloadas all the packages from the internet
[19:11] <vidd> you configure it the way you want, all the packages get downloaded off the internet rather then from the disk
[19:11] <Odd-rationale> so if you have slow internet connection, it might take a while... :P
[19:12] <kushalsejwal> okay I understud thanks buddy :)
[19:12] <Odd-rationale> the alternative cd can do a cli install as well...
[19:12] <kushalsejwal> cli?
[19:12] <Odd-rationale> command line interface
[19:13] <kushalsejwal> Odd-rationale: I got cli with the desktop Live CD as well :(
[19:13] <kushalsejwal>  Odd-rationale: I tried to boot my pc from my LiveUSB pen drive with Xubuntu 8.04 by using usb creater0.1.9. It booted but then I was not able to see GUI mode but it stared some command line which was "busy box v1.1.3 ...... build in shell..... initramfs ..." Pls help?
[19:14] <vidd> kushalsejwal, that was a failed boot....not an install
[19:14] <Odd-rationale> busybox is different than a command line install of ubuntu...
[19:17] <kushalsejwal> thanks for all the help. See you later. Bye
[19:25] <[ifrog]> Hey, vid
[19:26] <[ifrog]> vidd,
[19:26] <[ifrog]> vidd, Around?
[19:26] <vidd> [ifrog], yeah...im here
[19:27] <[ifrog]> vidd, I installed 2.6.24 and it does not work.
[19:28] <vidd> did you reboot afterwords?
[19:28] <[ifrog]> vidd, actually i listened and upgrade to hardy which came with that kernel.
[19:28] <[ifrog]> Rebooted twice.
[19:29] <[ifrog]> vidd, How do you know if that kernel really supports the hardware, is there is list somewhere?
[19:29] <vidd> now that you are on the current release you should have an easier time getting that card to work
[19:30] <[ifrog]> vidd, how is that?
[19:30] <[ifrog]> I though you said the kernel supports it by default.
[19:31] <vidd> i assumed you had instructions for getting the card to work and you needed acer-acpi to get it to work
[19:31] <vidd> acer-acpi is fully integrated into the kernel
[19:31] <[ifrog]> I read online that with acer packages it works.
[19:32] <vidd> what other acer packages are needed?
[19:32] <[ifrog]> But i still cant find that package in the hardy
[19:34] <vidd> [ifrog], http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=624959
[19:34] <vidd> turn on the restricted driver
[19:34] <[ifrog]> its on.
[19:35] <vidd> so the driver is listed as active in the restricted drivers app?
[19:35] <[ifrog]> yes, its ticked there.
[19:35] <[ifrog]> it actually did it automatically.
[19:35] <vidd> then its installed
[19:35] <[ifrog]> as i installed from the dvd.
[19:36] <[ifrog]> well iwconfig and the tray icon does not show it.
[19:36] <vidd> whats the problem then?
[19:36] <[ifrog]> the device is not created at all.
[19:36] <vidd> pastebin ifconfig for me
[19:37] <[ifrog]> ah, got to switch the internet to it, As i got only one lan cable here..
[19:37] <[ifrog]> just a sec..
[19:55] <caram3l0> hello, i'm having some problems. i was working ok on my xubuntu, then i needed to restart, when i did that, it booted again and with no internet, it is not even recognizing any wireless near. when i use the xubuntu live cd it stays ok.
[19:58] <ciapsadm> Where can I find a site with the laptop?
[19:58] <caram3l0> if i try going on my network service it doesnt even show that i have wireless connection
[20:30] <ciapsadm> How do you see someone on the web with Pidgin?
[20:40] <Odd-rationale> ciapsadm: pidgin does not yet have video support...
[20:40] <Odd-rationale> try ekiga
[20:40] <Odd-rationale> !info ekiga
[20:57] <spadewarrior> hi. does anyone know how to change the default directory on catfish?
[20:59] <MalfermitaKodo> Hi
[21:01]  * MalfermitaKodo needs some help troubleshooting a sound problem. I had it working out of the box, did some optimizations, I found in the ubuntu wiki for the Acer Aspire and now it does not work anymore... well, works like a buerocrat: you get no output even though everything seems to be fine
[21:07] <Ben_Cs> hello
[21:09] <vidd> hello Ben_Cs
[21:09] <Ben_Cs> xubuntu comes with Transmission preinstalled.  Any ideas why?
[21:09] <Grey_Loki> Ben_Cs, perhaps a port forwarding issue?
[21:09] <Grey_Loki> Have you tried it with the same torrent?
[21:09] <Ben_Cs> Grey_Loki: same port same torrent
[21:09] <Grey_Loki> MalfermitaKodo, obvious things first - while you were tweaking, you didn't accidentally turn down the sound either on your laptop, or within linux anywhere?
[21:10] <vidd> what is the comand to install via apt-get to auto-include recommends?
[21:12] <MalfermitaKodo> Grey_Loki: I didn't... I checked alsamixer... and, well, I did reboot to use different kernelparameters, in case this is relevant
[21:12] <Grey_Loki> MalfermitaKodo, it could be - have you tried rebooting again and not giving the kernel parameters?
[21:13] <MalfermitaKodo> not yet... will do now
[21:25] <MalfermitaKodo> reee
[21:25] <Grey_Loki> Working?
[21:25] <MalfermitaKodo> hmmm elevator=noop should but interfere with sound but apparently does
[21:25] <MalfermitaKodo> yeah
[21:26] <Grey_Loki> That gives you something to google with, at least - I don't know anything about acer laptops, and I only know a little about linux in general
[21:34] <Linuxica> hi
[21:36] <vidd> hello Linuxica
[21:37] <Linuxica> I want to delete some files from a pendrive, using thunar, but I can't.
[21:37] <Linuxica> where I can configure that?
[21:37] <vidd> in terminal, type "sudo thunar"
[21:38] <vidd> then you have god-rights to thunar
[21:38] <vidd> you can delete anything, anywhere, without a safety net
[21:38] <vidd> (use with caution!)
[21:39] <Linuxica> I usually delete them from the terminal , con "rm"
[21:39] <Linuxica> but i'd like to delete as user
[21:39] <vidd> then chown the pen drive to the user
[21:40] <Linuxica> any time I use the pendrive?
[21:41] <vidd> yes
[21:41] <Linuxica> sorry, you're very kind but i'd like to control the pendrive as my hard disk
[21:41] <Linuxica> do you know how I can?
[21:41] <vidd> anything you write on it from that user is chowned to that user automatically
[21:42] <vidd> since the data was written elsewhere, it is chowned to a user that this computer doesnt know
[21:42] <Linuxica> yes bit it is owned by root group
[21:42] <vidd> right
[21:42] <Linuxica> I delete the files then the files are there again!!
[21:43] <vidd> because root owns everything not owned by another group
[21:43] <vidd> what file structure is the pendrive using?
[21:43] <Linuxica> fat I suppose
[21:43] <Linuxica> fat 32 or 16
[21:44] <vidd> yeah....windows
[21:44] <Linuxica> but I added a hd with ext3 and it's the same
[21:44] <vidd> you need to sudo rm [file]
[21:45] <vidd> the user cannot remove a file that they dont have permission to
[21:45] <Linuxica> No, I can delete as user from terminal
[21:45] <Linuxica> rm file
[21:45] <vidd> you JUST said, the file returned
[21:45] <Linuxica> but I can't from thunar
[21:45] <Linuxica> I can from terminal, I can't from thunar
[21:46] <Linuxica> I'm confused...
[21:46] <vidd> so am i
[21:47] <Linuxica> I don't understan very well the new fstab I used debian before.
[21:47] <vidd> if the user can remove the file in terminal, then shift+del (bypassing the trash can) should work in thunar as well
[21:48] <Linuxica> another thing, the trash in the pendrive is a hidden archive
[21:49] <Linuxica> It happens with every usb unit.
[21:49] <vidd> yeah....wich would indicate issues if you dont hold the [shift] key when you delete
[21:49] <Linuxica> de camera, de pendrive, and my ide new HD
[21:51] <Linuxica> ops... the camera.. the... sorry I'm not speak english very well
[21:51] <Linuxica> great!!
[21:51] <vidd> i knew what ya meant
[21:51] <Linuxica> shift + del works!!!
[21:52] <vidd> yes
[21:52] <Linuxica> thank you!!!!
[21:52] <Linuxica> :D
[21:52] <vidd> rm in terminal does not put stuff in trash
[21:52] <Linuxica> i know
[21:52] <vidd> trash is hidden archive so thunar cant use it
[21:52] <Linuxica> but the pendrive was fulll
[21:53] <vidd> shift-del works the same as rm in terminal
[21:53] <vidd> dont matter
[21:53] <Linuxica> I didn't knew
[21:53] <Linuxica> you're very knd to help me
[21:53] <vidd> the pendrive could have only 3kb used....
[21:53] <vidd> thunar still cannot use hidden trash archive
[21:55] <Linuxica> I like xubuntu very much
[21:56] <vidd> good to hear
[21:56] <Linuxica> I've tried another "linux systems" and by now xubuntu it's the best one
[21:56] <Linuxica> form me, ofcourse
[21:56] <Linuxica> :)
[21:57] <ciapsadm> How do subtritrarea to see more?
[21:58] <ciapsadm> In VLC
[22:01] <Linuxica> thanks for the help vidd , bye!!
[22:08] <owen1> how to make fnc+f7 (video out) work on vaio?
[22:11] <vidd> owen1, one moment
[22:13] <vidd> xrandr
[22:17] <owen1> vidd: are u talking to me (xrandr)
[22:18] <vidd> owen1, yes
[22:18] <owen1> vidd: what about xrandr? i run it and it shows me my resolution.
[22:19] <vidd> install it and the bios option works
[22:19] <owen1> vidd: i just ran it so i assume it's already installed.
[22:20] <owen1> vidd: what bios options? will i be able to do video out by changing somthing in the bios?
[22:20] <vidd> FN+[something] is a bios-enabled function
[22:21] <owen1> vidd: how do i get to the bios? rebbot and 'f8' while rebooting?
[22:21] <vidd> xrandr lets linux pass those commands to the bios so the bios does what it needs to
[22:21] <owen1> vidd: ok. i have xrandr. what is my next step?
[22:22] <vidd> use the fn+ functions
[22:22] <vidd> they should work
[22:23] <owen1> vidd: please elaborate...what is my next step? run xrandr or rebbot and going to bios?
[22:24] <vidd> there is no next step
[22:24] <vidd> as long as xrandr is installed, they keys should work
[22:25] <owen1> vidd: the brightness works (fn+f5/fn+f6) but when i connect external tv and hit fn+f7 i don't see anything on the tv.
[22:26] <vidd> is the tv set to recieve?
[22:27] <owen1> vidd: as soon as i connect my desktop to the tv, i can see the desktop on the tv. so i assume the problem is not the tv.
[22:27] <vidd> then your bios must need to enable that feature
[22:28] <vidd> well...i have to go home now
[22:28] <owen1> vidd: ok. thanks!
[22:28] <vidd> i should be back on tommorrow
[22:28] <owen1> vidd: np. thanks a lot.
[22:43] <owen1> i can't find anything in the bios..i tried 'LCD Screen Expansion' but it didn't help
[23:10] <dasChaos23> Hello everyone....
[23:11] <dasChaos23> Does anyone know of a nice graphical remote client, ideally between windows and xubuntu?
[23:12] <dasChaos23> Basically I would love to set up a xbox server, which can be accessed by Window, Mac and Linux machines (ideally)
[23:14] <owen1> how to convert ntfs or fat into ex3 (external usb drive)?