[00:34] <c2tarun> bug 710347 this package is not in archives I uploaded it on revu http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/schedio can anyone please take a look.
[00:44] <micahg> c2tarun: I'll try to take a look later this week
[00:46] <c2tarun> micahg: thanks :) I have to go now, looking forward to your comments, thanks :)
[05:51] <AnAnt> Hello
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <AnAnt> hello
[07:06] <dholbach> hi AnAnt
[08:00] <jmarsden> It looks as though freedesktop.org moved the standards DTD files from www.freedsktop.org/standards/ to standards.freedesktop.org/ and does not redirect.  This breaks validation of menu files (eg /etc/xdg/menus/lxde-applications.menu from package lxmenu-data).  Should new .menu files reflect the new DTD location?  Should existing ones be updated?
[08:01] <dholbach> apachelogger, Rhonda: seid ihr auch bei den Linuxwochen in Wien im Mai?
[08:01] <dholbach> hallo toabctl
[08:02] <toabctl> hey dholbach
[08:09] <Rhonda> dholbach: Like all the years before, it's done on my birthday, and I repeatedly told them that it's quite unlikely that I am in Vienna during that time.  I'm not sure if my SO planed something for this year, so it might actually be possible, but I just don't know.
[08:09] <dholbach> Rhonda, no worries
[08:10] <Rhonda> They always wanted me to do LPI exams, that's why they were so bitter about me not being able to be around.  But it's not like I haven't (repeatedly) told them about that timing issue, and yet they do it each year again at exactly the same weekend, and ask me again wether I could do the exams. %-/
[08:10] <dholbach> Rhonda, I hope it'll work out next time then
[08:12] <Rhonda> In the case there is nothing planed (though, we are moving in march/april and might be busy with unpacking and stuff), I might be around for a nice chat at least.
[08:13] <Rhonda> Are you going to give a talk or such?
[08:13] <dholbach> yes, I'm planning to
[08:13] <dholbach> it's in the week before UDS
[08:13] <dholbach> so it makes a lot of sense to stop by on the way from Berlin and also visit a few friends in Austria
[08:15] <Rhonda> Where is UDS this time?
[08:15] <dholbach> Budapest
[08:15] <dholbach> just around the corner :)
[08:15] <Rhonda> Ouch.
[08:16] <dholbach> ?
[08:16] <Rhonda> I so much would like to attend at some point, and actually this might be potential the closest one to go.  I fear it won't be possible with my private situation currently. :(
[08:17] <dholbach> let's see how things pan out
[08:17] <dholbach> there's still quite a bit of time until May 9-13
[10:08] <mok0> I need some detailed information on where app icons should be placed, in what sizes, etc
[10:09] <mok0> ... and how to deal with Tango! theme icons
[10:28] <mok0> Hm, what's wrong with this build-dep:
[10:28] <mok0>  swig (>= 1.36),
[10:28] <mok0> it fails even though swig has had that version since karmic
[10:29] <Rhonda> What's the complete error output?
[10:29] <Rhonda> And the complete Build-Depends line?
[10:29] <mok0> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7), autotools-dev, automake, libtool,
[10:29] <mok0>  quilt, libmmdb-dev (>=1.23), libclipper-dev, libgpp4-dev, libssm-dev
[10:29] <mok0>  (>=1.1), libgsl0-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libgtk2.0-dev,
[10:29] <Rhonda> Please use a paste site.
[10:30] <mok0> Rhonda: yep. sorry
[10:30] <mok0> http://pastebin.com/PtvGJ0bH
[10:32] <mok0> rhonda, err message is http://pastebin.com/bR49DXi0
[10:34] <Rhonda> Doesn't look like the complete build log to me, unfortunately?
[10:34] <mok0> Rhonda, you want that? I cut out the relevant line
[10:35] <mok0> http://pastebin.com/DwdDmSx7
[10:35] <Rhonda> It might be that there is more relevant that you consider as such. :)
[10:35] <mok0> (I need to figure out how to make pastebinit use paste.ubuntu.com)
[10:37] <Rhonda> um, debhelper 8.0.0ubuntu2? Where is that from? In maverick I see 8.0.0ubuntu1, in natty 8.1.0ubuntu1?
[10:37] <mok0> Rhonda: lucid
[10:37] <Rhonda> negative, lucid has 7.4.15ubuntu1
[10:38] <mok0> Rhonda: I doubt that is important. I added "(>= 1.36)" after swig and it stopped working
[10:38] <akheron> lucid has swig 1.3.40-2ubuntu1
[10:38] <Rhonda> You seem to have a strange chroot setup there. What's the sources.list in your chroot?
[10:38] <akheron> 1.3.40 is way less than 1.36
[10:39] <mok0> akheron: I know, which is why I find it strange
[10:39] <Rhonda> Well, it might be a hint that your chroot has an issue.
[10:39] <mok0> Rhonda: hang on lemme log on to it
[10:39] <akheron> mok0: err, you have swig 1.3.40, you require 1.36
[10:39] <akheron> 1.3.40 < 1.36
[10:39] <Rhonda> mok0: If you log in try to apt-get install swig and see what you get there.
[10:40] <mok0> akheron: ah
[10:40] <mok0> akheron: thank you
[10:40] <mok0> akheron: typo
[10:40] <akheron> :)
[10:40] <akheron> you meant 1.3.6?
[10:40] <Rhonda> ouch, right. 1.36 is higher than what we even have in natty. I'm blind.
[10:40] <mok0> akheron: I mean 1.3.36
[10:41] <Rhonda> But having debhelper 8.0.0 in a lucid build environment is still strange.
[10:41] <mok0> Rhonda: ok, let me check that out
[10:41] <akheron> Rhonda: it's in backports right?
[10:41] <Rhonda> Please make sure to have your lucid build environment clean. :)
[10:42] <akheron> I myself usually use backports at least when packaing my on stuff for older releases
[10:42] <Rhonda> akheron: Yes, but backports should only be used when really needed in build environments, thus pulled in by dependencies, not fixed installed there.
[10:42] <mok0> I don't think I'm using that
[10:42] <mok0> backports
[10:42] <akheron> Rhonda: debhelper is not installed ina clean build environment
[10:42] <akheron> not any version
[10:42] <Rhonda> That 8.0.0ubuntu2 has to come from somewhere :)
[10:42] <Rhonda> akheron: It is in mok0's.
[10:43] <mok0> rhonda, debhelper is 7.4.15ubuntu1
[10:43] <akheron> debhelper: missing
[10:43] <Rhonda> Erm, right.
[10:43] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debhelper/+publishinghistory
[10:43] <Rhonda> But I still wonder why lucid would pull in 8.0.0ubuntu2, that looks pretty strange,
[10:44] <akheron> true, it's not in backports afaics
[10:44] <mok0> Rhonda: it doesn't pull in 8.0 afaics
[10:46] <Rhonda> Then at least the output is confusing and misleading. :)
[10:47] <mok0> Rhonda: Grepping for that line in my stored build logs, it seems it asks for 8.0.0 once in a while
[10:47] <mok0> Rhonda: also in the maverick builds I've done
[10:51] <mok0> Anyways, my swig depends now works \o/
[10:55] <mok0> Ah, .pastebinit.xml allows you to customize the pastebin site
[10:56] <mok0> That information really ought to be documented in the man page
[11:00] <mok0> Hm. Except it doesn
[11:00] <mok0> t work
[11:07] <mok0> Looks like it's been fixed, but still not in lucid : Bug: 312456
[11:57] <apachelogger> dholbach: maybe
[11:58]  * apachelogger did not really think about it yet ^^
[12:11] <dholbach> apachelogger, ok
[12:19] <Rhonda> In general, whoever stumbles by in Vienna feel free to bug me and I'll see wether we can meet.
[16:45] <dholbach> who could imagine running a session about some aspect of Debian/Ubuntu packaging? we still have some open slots left for UDW
[16:45] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[16:51] <dholbach> any suggestions?
[16:52] <ari-tczew> dholbach: nope
[17:02] <dholbach> menesis, how's schooltool coming along?
[17:04] <menesis> dholbach: we have a schooltool sprint this week
[17:05] <dholbach> aha! excellent!
[17:05] <menesis> dholbach: there are some issues that are not solved yet so the main "schooltool" package is not ready.
[17:05] <dholbach> menesis, ah ok - there was also something with zope.html that bundled something else - is that resolved?
[17:05] <dholbach> I think I mailed you about it back then
[17:05] <menesis> but maybe I can upload the other packages in their current state just to get them uploaded, even if they are not installable
[17:06] <dholbach> what's missing?
[17:06] <menesis> dholbach: I was trying to solve more issues with zope.html (upstream) but not very successful
[17:06] <menesis> sorry I haven't replied
[17:06] <dholbach> don't worry
[17:06] <highvoltage> hey menesis
[17:06] <dholbach> if upstream can't solve it and it can be done in the packaging we can still just do it there
[17:06] <dholbach> hey highvoltage
[17:07] <highvoltage> and dholbach :)
[17:07] <menesis> "schooltool" is missing. schooltool.gradebook and others depend on it
[17:07] <menesis> I am worried already because time is running out and I have not finished my work..
[17:08] <dholbach> we still made a lot of progress in terms of zope packages :)
[17:08] <dholbach> but if there's anything highvoltage and I can do, let us know
[17:08] <menesis> dholbach: but with zope.html I would like to leave it as is and solve the versioned directories later
[17:08] <dholbach> can you reply to that mail again, so I have it in my inbox and won't forget?
[17:08] <highvoltage> menesis: how bad is it? would there be something uploadable in a month from now?
[17:08] <dholbach> might be a few days until I get to it
[17:09] <highvoltage> getting a FFE just for schooltool at that stage would probably not be a big deal
[17:09] <menesis> I would like help with upstart, but first I need to get schooltool into archive with the old init.d scripts
[17:09] <dholbach> that shouldn't be a blocker
[17:09] <dholbach> there's loads of stuff still using old-style initscripts
[17:10] <menesis> yes I don't consider it a blocker
[17:13] <menesis> highvoltage: I hope to be able to upload schooltool in two weeks
[17:13] <menesis> we are in a sprint now, merging branches to upstream, then I make a release and a new package
[17:14] <dholbach> great
[17:14] <menesis> one thing is I left out 3 zope packages because they are needed only for backwards compat with existing schooltool databases.
[17:14] <highvoltage> menesis: ah good! that still even beats feature freeze then
[17:15] <menesis> but I haven't done the work and testing to make sure they are really not needed
[17:15] <menesis> maybe I can upload those 3 packages even though I expect them to be removed soon?
[17:16] <dholbach> hey blueyed
[17:16] <blueyed> Hi dholbach
[17:31] <gondoi> is there a preferred way of modifying the debian/changelog, or do I just modify it directly?
[17:31] <dholbach> gondoi, try 'dch' (in the devscripts package)
[17:31] <gondoi> cool, thanks dholbach
[17:31] <dholbach> 'dch -i' to add an empty changelog entry and bump the revision up one
[17:32] <gondoi> lol.. yeah, it's right there in the instructions I'm following.. overlooked that step
[17:32] <gondoi> sorry
[18:34] <Riddell> could someone explain (again) the difference between ~ubuntu-dev and ~motu? I can never remember which is which.  can this guy https://launchpad.net/~sylvestre confirm this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scilab/+bug/714562
[18:36] <micahg> Riddell: ubuntu-dev is anyone with upload rights I believe, MOTU is universe upload rights
[18:36] <Riddell> so how does he get upload rights?
[18:37] <iulian> Riddell: Maybe he has limited upload privileges.
[18:37] <micahg> Riddell: PPU
[18:37] <iulian> Riddell: Per package uploader.
[18:37] <micahg> Riddell: he has upload rights for that package, you can use edit-acl.py to check
[18:38] <micahg> er, edit_acl.py
[18:43] <Riddell> that works, thanks
[18:44] <maco> micahg: universe & multiverse
[18:45] <geser> yes, sylvestre has PPU rights for the packages he maintains in Debian and scilab is one of it
[18:46] <geser> it would be really nice to have a web view for PPU instead of only the LP API
[18:59] <devkorcvince> hello any one who wants to be my mentor hehehehe... where can i learn the fastest on contributing?
[19:01] <devkorcvince> ooops wrong channel need to go to #ubuntu-classroom
[19:50] <blueyed> micahg: where does edit_acl.py come from? Is is available to everyone?
[19:51] <micahg> blueyed: lp:ubuntu-archive-tools
[19:59] <blueyed> thanks, micahg. I have no use case currently, but this may become handy.
[20:00] <micahg> blueyed: it's good for those with packageset upload rights and don't remember if something is in a packageset or not
[20:01] <blueyed> There's still no distinction about sponsorship teams (motu vs core-dev) in Launchpad, is it? Like all request for sponsorship get into the same queue?!
[20:03] <geser> blueyed: there was in the past but got merged into ~ubuntu-sponsors lately
[20:03] <maco> blueyed: they used to be split, but with archive reorg that became silly
[20:04] <maco> because core-dev arent the only people who can upload to main. PPU, ubuntu-desktop-dev, kubuntu-dev, xubuntu-dev... they can too
[20:04] <blueyed> That's what I mean, yes. But now it's difficult to see for a MOTU what he can sponsor, isn't it?
[20:04] <maco> anything unseeded can be done by a motu
[20:04] <blueyed> I see. And can you see what's seeded in LP easily, preferably from the sponsor queue?
[20:05] <maco> im trying to locate the sponsor queue right now
[20:05] <maco> i dont have my bookmarks at work
[20:05] <micahg> maco: not true, there is some unseeded stuff in main
[20:05] <maco> micahg: thats not how its supposed to work :(
[20:06] <maco> but this silly wiki page i found from google stupidly links to lp instead of the sponsor queue when it says sponsor queue
[20:06] <micahg> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[20:06] <maco> thank  you!
[20:06] <micahg> sponsorship page still lists universe/main distinctions
[20:06] <maco> micahg: motu's domain was supposed to have been redefined to "the long tail of everything not seeded", according to discussions at uds...hmm....dallas, i believe
[20:07] <micahg> maco: yes, but that won't happen most likely until the archvie reorg is done
[20:07] <maco> micahg: oh that mustve been recently added back. the "origin" is all that was there before
[20:07] <maco> i thought archive reorg WAS done
[20:07] <maco> PPUs are in place, packagesets are in place...what else is needed?
[20:07] <micahg> maco: no, a few more cycles
[20:07] <micahg> at least :)
[20:09] <micahg> maco: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveReorganisation
[20:11] <blueyed> I was more thinking about getting the differences from the "Bugs" page of the ubuntu-sponsors LP page.
[20:51] <RainCT> Any idea on why valac doesn't get installed in pbuilder?
[20:52] <RainCT> (pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: valac (>= 0.9.4~) but it is not going to be installed.)
[20:53] <gondoi> I have created a branch patch for SRU in bzr and submitted for merging...
[20:54] <gondoi> now what am I missing:
[20:54] <gondoi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/munin/+bug/699967
[20:54] <gondoi> just trying to cover my bases
[20:54] <geser> RainCT: natty?
[20:54] <gondoi> maverick
[20:54] <gondoi> sru
[20:54] <RainCT> geser: Debian unstable, actually
[20:55] <geser> then no, I know only that natty has vala 0.10 and 0.12 which causes some problems
[20:56] <geser> RainCT: what happens when you try to install all build-depends with apt-get in your pbuilder? (you might need to add valac and perhaps other packages to the command line to see the real problem)
[21:00] <RainCT> geser: It took 0.8.1-2
[21:02] <geser> checking on PTS you need experimental if you want a newer valac
[21:06] <RainCT> geser: Oh, right. How could I miss that? :P
[21:06] <RainCT> geser: Thanks
[21:08] <sebner> geser: would you mind helping fixing flightgear ftbfs? You are tehh expert :) Evidently a linking issue but I couldn't really solve it myself. http://pastebin.com/VHvQmEDk
[21:47] <grunthus> cyphermox: Just about to start with synaptic bug per your email
[21:48] <cyphermox> ah, cool
[21:48] <grunthus> cyphermox: Hello, I should say first!
[21:48] <grunthus> do I bzr branch as first step?
[21:49] <cyphermox> yeah, I'd say bzr branch lp:synaptic
[21:50] <grunthus> OK, I still have the directories lying around from when I generated the debdiff. Presumably it would be just as easy to dump all that. The edits were simple with sed.
[21:51] <cyphermox> right, if you did the changes directly in file from previously, you probably can just copy the files over
[21:51] <cyphermox> just double check after that you only have the changes you really wanted (bzr diff)
[21:52] <cyphermox> if I remember your diff right you could also just use that with patch -p1 <yourdiff
[21:54] <grunthus> OK, got a slight hitch here with ssh key.
[21:55] <grunthus> I need to copy it on to the VM where I'm running Natty.
[21:55] <cyphermox> ah
[21:56] <cyphermox> grunthus, well, honestly, it's really up to if you want to champion your changes all the way, because I could also apply them for you in a branch here and request a merge, if it's easier for you :)
[21:57] <grunthus> I would quite like to give bzr a go first. If I get stuck, then fair enough, you could apply them.
[21:58] <grunthus> Would I be right in saying that bazaar is "on the up"?
[21:58] <cyphermox> grunthus, you mean in popularity? I would have no idea
[21:59] <cyphermox> grunthus, also don't hesitate to ask others for help -- for instance, I'm just about done my work day and have a dinner planned, but I would be back in a few hours
[22:00] <grunthus> Sure. I will. Bon appetite. Perhaps see you later, although bed in this time zone is in 2 hrs!
[22:01] <grunthus> I'll drop you an email with my progress.
[22:02] <cyphermox> cool, we can certainly continue this over email
[22:07] <lfaraone> If overriding CFLAGS (to, say, "-O2 -wall") causes a program to break, upstream is doing it wrong, right?
[22:22] <geser> sebner: the solution seems to be to move "-lsgio" after "-lOpenThreads"
[22:22] <geser> but I didn't look how to get it into the Makefile, just tested it on the command line inside my pbuilder
[22:25] <grunthus> Right, perhaps someone else can advise on cyphermox's suggestion to use patch -p1<debdiff ?
[22:26] <grunthus> Presumably to apply my debdiff to the bzr checked out branch,
[22:26] <grunthus> I would cd to the bzr checked out directory, then run the above patch with full path to the debdiff...
[22:27] <grunthus> This relates to bug 706271
[22:30] <sebner> geser: wow, great. that helps a lot, I'll look into it how to do that in the makefile! :)
[22:30]  * sebner hugs geser
[22:35] <grunthus> Hmm. Patch failed, generated a pile of rejects.
[22:46] <ari-tczew> geser: around?
[22:50] <blueyed> gondoi: I am not sure, but shouldn't you nominate the bug for Maverick, too?
[22:51] <blueyed> gondoi: apart from that, the branch/patch looks good, but I cannot ACK/sponsor it.
[22:54] <ari-tczew> blueyed: if it's bzr branch, set status as Approved
[22:55] <ari-tczew> as motu member you can support patches for main
[22:55] <blueyed> ari-tczew: but it's a SRU.
[22:56] <blueyed> ari-tczew: not even nominated (which I could do at least, yes)
[22:57] <ari-tczew> blueyed: it doesn't matter, if you're sure that debdiff/branch is correct with SRU policy, set as Approved commenting like "Looks good, please core-dev for upload"
[22:57] <ari-tczew> it works something like patch pilot
[22:59] <blueyed> ari-tczew: I've nominated it for Maverick now, but cannot even accept the nomination. How should I set it to confirmed now?
[22:59] <lfaraone> ari-tczew: people shouldn't review for ~ubuntu-dev unless they are able to upload the package in question.
[22:59] <blueyed> ari-tczew: bug 699967
[23:01] <ari-tczew> lfaraone: I know that you're not so much involved in sponsorship last time, so I'd like to say you that we've figured out that MOTU can support sponsors-queue in cleaning up by reviewing patches
[23:01] <ari-tczew> I have reviewed a lot of patches in main and there were not any troubles. Just helpful to keep sponsors queue small.
[23:02] <micahg> lfaraone: from what I can tell, a MOTU can approve, but teh core-dev uploader should still spot-check
[23:02] <micahg> that should be core-dev or uploader
[23:02] <lfaraone> ah, okay.
[23:03] <ari-tczew> blueyed: bzr branch linked to bug is for SRU?
[23:03] <ari-tczew> if so, it's wrong
[23:03] <ari-tczew> there is no maverick-proposed in d/changelog
[23:03] <geser> ari-tczew: yes
[23:04] <ari-tczew> geser: I'll ask pm you ;)
[23:05] <ari-tczew> blueyed: branch says about +upstream_bug_952.patch but node/lib/Munin/Node/Server.pm has been patched directly
[23:05] <blueyed> ari-tczew: yes, the changelog is wrong. it's meant to be maverick-proposed. @gondoi: <--
[23:05] <ari-tczew> blueyed: please describe all issues in comment into branch setting status as Needs-fixing
[23:05] <blueyed> ari-tczew: you're right. quite borked. I leave feedback as a comment, yes.
[23:05] <ari-tczew> ;-
[23:05] <ari-tczew> ;-)
[23:07] <grunthus> Hi, I need a little assistance following on from earlier with cyphermox. I have edited changes to my bzr branch, and updated changelog.
[23:08] <grunthus> According to documentation, I think I now have to either commit the changes or build source package?
[23:09] <grunthus> (bug 706271)
[23:09] <ari-tczew> blueyed: please don't forget about suggesting DEP3 tags in the patch
[23:10] <gondoi> blueyed: sorry man, this is my first patch to the ubuntu community :-(
[23:10] <blueyed> gondoi: no problem! really.
[23:10] <blueyed> gondoi: just do not give up learning :)
[23:10] <gondoi> the nomination is what I couldn't figure out earlier.. thought I just needed to say that in a comment
[23:10] <gondoi> I don't see a button
[23:11] <blueyed> gondoi: please note that you look into DEP3 tags for your patch, although that should hopefully be provided in the patch I committed for Natty already.. :)
[23:12] <blueyed> gondoi: the button is "Nominate for series".. third one in the row starting with "Also affects project"
[23:16] <gondoi> blueyed: I don't have that button :-( I guess I don't have the right privs
[23:16] <blueyed> gondoi: maybe. you are not a member of bugcontrol then even, are you?
[23:16] <gondoi> well, I thought I was, but perhaps not
[23:16] <blueyed> does not matter then currently. Can you fix your branch?
[23:17] <gondoi> well, i'll have to figure out how...
[23:17] <gondoi> :-(
[23:17] <gondoi> i'll look into the dep3 thing
[23:17] <micahg> blueyed: yeah, that was a recent change, I think only bug supervisors can nominate now
[23:17] <blueyed> gondoi: ^^
[23:17] <gondoi> :-D
[23:17] <micahg> bdmurray: am I right about this? ^^
[23:18] <blueyed> gondoi: dep3 is not important.. as said, I should have either provided it in the natty patch, or if not, it would not make sense to have it in the maverick fix/branch only.
[23:18] <blueyed> gondoi: just use the patch instead of patching inline. Feel free to query me, if you have any more detailed questions about this.
[23:18] <gondoi> blueyed: sorry then, i'm not sure on what I am fixing
[23:18] <gondoi> oh
[23:19] <gondoi> so provide the debdiff?
[23:19] <blueyed> gondoi: you need to only fix the changelog (add "-proposed" and use the patch instead of editing it inline)
[23:19] <blueyed> gondoi: no, edit your branch, then add another commit.
[23:20] <gondoi> well, I did use the patch on the src
[23:20] <gondoi> i'll add the -proposed
[23:21] <bdmurray> micahg: yes bug supervisors can nominate for release maybe uploaders too
[23:21] <blueyed> gondoi: yes, that was wrong.. go to your checkout of lp:~bkbox/ubuntu/maverick/munin/fix-for-699967, add 1) the -proposed and 2) revert the change to node/lib/Munin/Node/Server.pm and add the debian/patches/upstream_bug_952.patch file from the natty source instead.
[23:21] <micahg> bdmurray: all uploaders are implicit members of bug control
[23:21] <blueyed> gondoi: then commit after each change and push it.
[23:21] <micahg> bdmurray: if it's only bug control now, we should probably update the SRU docs
[23:22] <blueyed> micahg: gondoi is not an uploader and not bug supervisor. Shouldn't anybody be allowed to nominate?
[23:23] <micahg> blueyed: I think that changed recently in that we had people randomly nominating creating a lot of noise
[23:29] <cjwatson> it was certainly a real issue
[23:29] <cjwatson> the nomination queue was basically entirely unusable
[23:30] <sebner> geser: hmm, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/63828404/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.flightgear_2.0.0-3ubuntu11_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:30] <ari-tczew> sebner: show your makefile
[23:30] <ari-tczew> (LIBS)
[23:31] <sebner> ari-tczew: http://paste.ubuntu.com/564736/
[23:32] <geser> sebner: I don't fully understand the needed order, but I had only success when I only moved the mentioned "-lsgio" and left the other at there place
[23:33] <ari-tczew> sebner: LIBS = @LIBS@
[23:33] <ari-tczew> where are links changed?
[23:33] <sebner> geser: did you put it at the end or right behind -lOpenThreads?
[23:33] <geser> perhaps it's an error in -lOpenThreads that it didn't link with all needed libraries (didn't check yet)
[23:33] <geser> sebner: after the -lOpenThreads
[23:34] <sebner> ari-tczew: configure evidently
[23:34] <sebner> geser: Ok, I didn't try that
[23:34] <ari-tczew> sebner: which line?
[23:37] <sebner> ari-tczew: various ones but I found the -OpenThreads part, will try that now


[00:16] <k1l> hoverboard: so how can you explain the coincident you always joining the channel when "someone" is messing with some bots in #ubuntu ?
[00:59] <hoverboard> k1l, are you serious?
[01:00] <hoverboard> ikonia, k1l, I cannot, please lift the ban
[01:45] <akiva-thinkpad> Question: is Daftykins a mod? He just sent me a rather abusive message on irc.
[01:49] <akiva-thinkpad> mmmm it appears not.
[02:00] <akiva-thinkpad> ignore that; it was a misunderstanding
[13:04] <hoverboard> hello ikonia
[13:11] <ikonia> hello
[13:12] <ikonia> hoverboard: sorry was just on the phone
[13:47] <hoverboard> ikonia, no worries
[13:48] <hoverboard> so what's the problem here? k1l mentioned something about you guys thinking I'm linked to bots?
[14:04] <hoverboard> l=<
[14:05] <hoverboard> To any op active: I'm not running any bots, please remove the ban, thanks.
[23:38]  * genii sips his coffee and ponders the TRS-80 CoCo2
[23:40] <valorie> trs-80!
[23:40] <valorie> there is a name out of the prehistoric past....
[23:43] <genii> valorie: A user in #ubuntu had some issue where the TRS-80 emulator needs the device name to be fd0 :)
[23:44] <valorie> wow, a trs-80 emulator
[23:44] <valorie> who knew
[23:45] <genii> I guess they need to get their old files off it.
[23:46] <valorie> woah


[09:25] <NoWhereMan> sorry for the ot, I have to clean up a compaq laptop using its master cd... do you know if those cds reset also the partition table?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> NoWhereMan: yes, they will destroy any data on the system, usually
[09:27] <NoWhereMan> Burgundavia, I mean if I have 4 partitions, two of which are with linux, can you say if it is going to merge them back with the first, as it was at the beginning?
[09:28] <Burgundavia> those cds wipe the entire drive and reimage it
[09:29] <NoWhereMan> thank you
[09:30] <Burgundavia> what do you need todo?
[09:37] <NoWhereMan> restore a compaq pc to its original state
[09:37] <NoWhereMan> to give it away
[10:49] <NoWhereMan> would you install at this time edgy on a new laptop? i mean.... anyway it's going out on october... i can't wait all this time to install linux :D
[10:49] <Fujitsu> NoWhereMan, things are liable to break, so don't install it if you need to use the laptop and can't stand breakage.
[10:51] <NoWhereMan> Fujitsu, I remember I installed dapper on its last months of testing and I didn't find any harm. Is it edgy so "edgy"? :p
[10:52] <Fujitsu> NoWhereMan, breakage is fairly rare at the moment, although some major things do occasionally break. If you were OK testing Dapper, it shouldn't be too different with Edgy.
[10:52] <Fujitsu> Although big things like OpenOffice.org saving are broken at the moment.
[10:52] <NoWhereMan> O.o
[10:52] <Treenaks> Fujitsu: sounds like some shareware I know :)
[10:52] <NoWhereMan> eve OOo
[10:52] <Fujitsu> Treenaks, ?
[10:52] <NoWhereMan> *even
[10:53] <Treenaks> Fujitsu: In the old days, one of the ways shareware used to ensure you'd pay was by being crippled... like unable to use the 'Save' function
[10:53] <Fujitsu> True.
[10:56] <NoWhereMan> is it tcl/tk8.5 in edgy? i guess no
[10:57] <Fujitsu> There's no tcl8.5 in Edgy, no.
[10:58] <NoWhereMan> ok, i'll have to compile again :p
[10:58] <NoWhereMan> how did they break "save" in OOo ??? :D
[10:59] <Fujitsu> NoWhereMan, dbus had an ABI change, so it crashes when displaying the save dialog... When the next upload/build occurs, it'll be fixed.
[11:00] <NoWhereMan> oh! i see now
[11:01] <NoWhereMan> well I'd wait at least for this to fix... or I'll have to d/l OOo twice...
[09:43] <offmesssage> can anyone help with a dapper netboot problem?
[09:44] <offmesssage> my screen blacks out after downloading all the packages
[09:44] <offmesssage> i've found a few other people reporting it, but no solution
[09:44] <offmesssage> i was wondering if anyone here knew what i might be able to do to get round it?
[09:46] <Nailor_> Weird
[09:59] <simira> offmesssage: try on
[09:59] <simira> #ubuntu
[09:59] <simira> this is not a support-channel, as topic says
[09:59] <offmesssage> oops
[09:59] <offmesssage> sorry :)
[09:59] <offmesssage> will do
[10:06] <rizo> anyone have their suspend to disk stop working after doing a clean install of knot-2? was working fine in dapper :(
[10:29] <rizo> well at least suspend to mem works now :o


[00:25] <asac> kenvandine_wk: can you please subscribe motu-release, and attach the patches we have now to the two bugs and set bug status to New?
[08:12] <pitti> bryce: reverting entire mesa in a SRU sounds very unlikely to me, since it has a high potential for breaking other systems
[08:13] <pitti> bryce: (like systems configured for UXA)
[08:13] <bryce> pitti: we may not need to -- we've had a bit of a brainstorm on #ubuntu-x tonight
[08:13] <pitti> bryce: ah, nice; just reading backscroll from the meeting
[08:14] <bryce> pitti: but I will point out that UXA is definitely not a supported option yet
[08:14] <bryce> or at least, it's not one I am ready to support yet, myself
[08:15] <pitti> bryce: today I thought about converting your troubleshooting guide to a more end user related document "What can you do on intel driver problems", e. g. collect some workarounds
[08:15] <pitti> which we could link from the release notes
[08:15] <bryce> that's a good idea
[08:17] <pitti> bryce: I'll mail you for review when I'm done
[08:18] <bryce> thanks
[08:30] <seb128> mvo: <DBO>	i just came here to say that there are redundant plugins enabled in compiz, and they are causing us to waste CPU resources when we do window fades
[08:30] <seb128> mvo: ^ that's from yesterday
[08:30] <seb128> I think he said he would open a bug
[08:33] <davmor2> mvo: updates seem to be working okay now :)
[08:34] <mvo> thanks seb128 and davmor2
[09:31] <tseliot> seb128: what does Gnome do with DPI (in Jaunty)?
[09:32] <seb128> tseliot: 96 dpi forced
[09:32] <seb128> by default forced, you can change the value in the appearance capplet
[09:32] <tseliot> seb128: with a gconf key in libgnome?
[09:32] <seb128> yes
[09:32] <tseliot> ok, thanks
[09:33] <seb128> you're welcome
[09:33] <seb128> why do you ask? do you have any issue due to that?
[09:38] <asac> hmm ... i experienced issues shutting down my system (using fusa) ... told me that other users are logged in. known bug?
[09:50] <tseliot> seb128: no, I don't but the OEM team needs some customisations
[09:51] <seb128> tseliot: ok, easier way is to unset the key then, but be careful the xrand capplet might still force a 96dpi value when loading configs
[09:51] <seb128> asac: ck-list-sessions?
[09:51] <tseliot> seb128: how come?
[09:51] <seb128> asac: the ck-pam-something might open a ck session for cron job, there is a bug open about that
[09:52] <seb128> tseliot: bug? I know they use to force 96dpi in hardy when the capplet landed rather than reading the key, I didn't try recently though
[09:54] <tseliot> seb128: any hints as to where I should look at to force DPI as they used to do in Hardy? libgnome?
[09:54] <seb128> tseliot: changing the gconf key will change the default value, ie what gnome-settings-daemon apply
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> asac - bug 287715
[09:59] <asac> chrisccoulson: cool.
[09:59] <seb128> tseliot:
[09:59] <seb128> gnome-rr-config.c:     * dpi 96.
[09:59] <seb128> gnome-rr-config.c:    width_mm = (width / 96.0) * 25.4 + 0.5;
[09:59] <seb128> gnome-rr-config.c:    height_mm = (height / 96.0) * 25.4 + 0.5;
[10:00] <seb128> tseliot: that's the revelant xrandr capplet code I think
[10:00] <tseliot> seb128: great, thanks, this what I was looking for :-)
[10:51] <Keybuk> seb128: didn't the gnome keyring issue get fixed yet?
[10:55] <seb128> Keybuk: which one?
[10:56] <Keybuk> seb128: I have no gnome keyring
[10:56] <Keybuk> System -> Preferences -> Encryption and Keyrings
[10:56] <Keybuk> "A supported PGP passphrase caching agent is not running"
[10:57] <seb128> the gpg agent is seahorse
[10:57] <seb128> do you have seahorse-plugins installed?
[10:57] <Keybuk> yes
[10:57] <Keybuk> seahorse-plugins	2.26.1-0ubuntu1
[10:58] <seb128> Keybuk: let me try something
[10:59] <Keybuk> I have a ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent-info-quest file
[10:59] <seb128> Keybuk: do you have gnupg-agent installed?
[10:59] <Keybuk> that contains GPG_AGENT_INFO=/tmp/gpg-*/S.gpg-agent:*
[10:59] <seb128> if you do uninstall it and restart your session
[11:00] <Keybuk> ah, yes, I do have gpg-agent installed
[11:00] <seb128> it hijacks seahorse
[11:00] <Ampelbein> seb128, Keybuk bug 183514
[11:00] <Keybuk> it's a recommend of gnupg
[11:03] <Keybuk> seb128: should that Recommends be demoted to a Suggests?
[11:04] <seb128> Keybuk: I'm not sure, it might be useful in non GNOME cases, maybe ask on #ubuntu-devel for opinions
[11:04] <huats> hello everyone !
[11:04] <huats> hi seb128
[11:04] <seb128> perhaps it could be a gnupg-agent | seahorse or something so it doesn't get installed in default ubuntu
[11:04] <seb128> lut huats
[11:05]  * Tm_T have noticed that seahorse is happily destroying all gpg settings
[11:07] <Tm_T> and that is while I don't use seahorse at all, just have it installed (:
[11:08] <seb128> you should be using it if you have it installed ;-)
[11:09] <Tm_T> seb128: well, that would mean I have to recreate all my gpg settings and keys and...
[11:09] <Tm_T> I don't see any reason why I should use it, though, so I keep holding it away from my systems
[11:09] <seb128> I don't use gpg enough to have an opinion
[11:10] <seb128> I'm just signing emails and packages to upload
[11:10] <seb128> and I didn't have to reconfigure anything
[11:10] <Tm_T> same here, mostly, but also svn
[11:10] <Tm_T> and ssh
[11:10] <seb128> seahorse found my gpp key automagically and acts as a gpg agent correctly
[11:10] <Tm_T> actually ssh (and svn with it)
[11:10] <seb128> dunno why you think you would have to reconfigure your gpg configuration
[11:11] <seb128> ssh is managed by gnome-keyring not seahorse
[11:11] <Tm_T> seb128: seahorse had all empty
[11:11] <seb128> and there again it uses the system config
[11:11] <Tm_T> seb128: I don't use gnome (:)
[11:11] <seb128> you don't have to configure anything, it just lists available keys automatically
[11:11] <Tm_T> seb128: but it didn't do that
[11:12] <seb128> you should have opened a bug then describing the issue
[11:12] <Tm_T> all what it did, was emptied my .gnupg/ dir
[11:12] <seb128> it deleted your private key?!
[11:12] <Tm_T> seb128: yes, all of it
[11:12] <seb128> weird
[11:12] <Tm_T> indeed
[11:12] <seb128> first time I read about a such issue
[11:12] <seb128> and most of the distro team is using it
[11:12] <seb128> there is no reason it would delete any key
[11:13] <seb128> I guess it's something else on your install but your blamed it on seahorse
[11:13] <Tm_T> seb128: also I had many times issues with gnome stuff forcing themselves to be autolaunched in my KDE sessions after install
[11:13] <seb128> autostart is a freedesktop spec
[11:13] <seb128> those are not GNOME specific
[11:13] <Tm_T> seb128: I know, but forcing to autolaunch metacity...
[11:13] <seb128> nothing force anything
[11:14] <seb128> again if you have a specific issue you should open a bug
[11:14] <seb128> some desktops might need an NotShowIn=KDE
[11:14] <seb128> but we don't use KDE so we will not notice
[11:14] <Tm_T> aye, I have to see if it reoccurs
[11:14] <seb128> if you don't open a bug you get what you deserve
[11:14] <Tm_T> as I have broken hardware now so cannot really try to find and report bugs
[11:15] <seb128> ok, so you will keep getting GNOME things started on your KDE session
[11:16] <Tm_T> did yes, until I manually cleaned that stuff from those autorun dirs
[11:16] <Tm_T> these funny and weird issues occured ~6 months ago I think
[11:17] <Tm_T> I assume that I had installed some -default-settings type package that did something unexpected back then
[11:18] <Tm_T> ok, baby woke, will harrass you later (;)
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> downgrading packages is not really supported is it?
[11:44] <jpds> !downgrade
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> i was referring about downgrading individual packages, but i think that is not really supported by the package manager anyway
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> the only reason i ask is becuase someone opened a bug against brasero because it failed to downgrade from 0.9.1 to 0.8.2. It fails because the package was split between these 2 versions, and there are no conflicts/replaces to handle the downgrade
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> i was just wondering whether to close it
[11:48] <seb128> yes, close it as invalid, downgrade are not supposed to be working
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> thanks seb128 - done
[12:17] <pochu> seb128: thanks for libproxy sponsorship
[14:24] <Laney> is 2.26.1 finished?
[14:27] <seb128> Laney: sort of, jaunty is frozen so any other update will have to be a sru after jaunty stable next week
[14:27] <Laney> frozen for rc?
[14:28] <seb128> Laney: yes, and between rc and stable we will get only selected bug fixes not new versions
[14:28] <didrocks> seb128: as it's not in the repos yet, I will make people work on gnome-terminal for tomorrow's lesson :)
[14:28] <Laney> got it
[14:29] <Laney> didrocks: And the prize is getting it uploaded? :)
[14:29] <didrocks> Laney: hum, well, I already prepared it, so, no :p
[14:29] <Laney> :(
[14:29] <seb128> didrocks: k
[14:30] <didrocks> Laney: but it's a good candidate: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/361053
[14:30] <didrocks> you have b-d bumps
[14:30] <didrocks> not applying patches
[14:30] <didrocks> and autotool use :)
[14:31] <didrocks> so, I hope people can learn some stuff from this :-)
[14:31] <Laney> all in 15 mins? :O
[14:50] <didrocks> Laney: I think the 15 minutes goal is just a dream :)
[15:29] <superm1> mvo, ping. i was talking to seb128 about a zenity focus bug yesterday, and he advised I speak with you about it. bug 272083
[15:29] <superm1> we (mythbuntu) didn't catch it recently late due to xfwm4 not doing focus right until recently, so we were attributing the "new" focus problem to xfwm4
[15:35] <mvo> superm1: hello. give me a minute, I check it out when I'm finished with my current task
[15:36] <superm1> mvo, hi, sure, please treat the ping as asynchronous, i didn't mean to detract you from something else :)
[15:37] <mvo> superm1: thanks :) np
[18:06]  * kenvandine_wk heads out for lunch... bbiab
[18:37] <rickspencer3> vuntz: hi!
[18:37] <rickspencer3> :)
[18:40] <vuntz> rickspencer3: doh, you spotted me :-)
[18:40] <rickspencer3> lol
[18:55] <l0ser140> somebody knows something about this: i was synchronized evolution using webDAV, I have a login<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but evolution cut off all after @. remains only "user"? need help)
[18:59] <dobey> l0ser140: #ubuntu would be a better place to ask... this isn't a support channel
[19:00] <l0ser140> but what it deals with? xD
[19:01] <dobey> this is a development channel
[19:01] <l0ser140> ok, thx)
[19:39] <rickspencer3> bryce: so far Option "EXAOptimizeMigration" "off" seems to be working well
[19:50] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: is that the 2d performance tweak?
[19:54] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: it's a suggested option to replace MigrationHeuristic "greedy"
[19:55] <kenvandine_wk> ah
[19:55] <rickspencer3> if you have intel graphics and aren't too happy with the perf, you could test it out
[19:55] <kenvandine_wk> i am very happy with the performance with UXA :)
[19:56] <rickspencer3> UXA is not crashy for you?
[19:56] <kenvandine_wk> rock solid
[19:56] <kenvandine_wk> without it... it sucks..
[19:56] <rickspencer3> In any case, it would probably help out to test EXA
[19:56] <kenvandine_wk> i will
[19:57] <rickspencer3> a comparison would help
[19:57] <kenvandine_wk> after i finish a few install tests... can't kill X with these VMs running
[19:57] <rickspencer3-afk> heh
[20:06] <bryce> rickspencer3-afk: \o/
[20:09] <rickspencer3-afk> bryce: in general, it seems that compiz "slows down" as I use the computer
[20:09] <rickspencer3-afk> so I'll let you know in a  few hours
[20:09] <bryce> ok
[20:09] <rickspencer3-afk> cover flow is my "test case" :)
[20:09] <bryce> I've also asked slangasek to re-test, since he's the one that saw the flaw with greedy
[20:10] <bryce> btw, I have a very strong lead on the freeze issue now too (testing it presently...)
[20:10] <rickspencer3-afk> !
[20:11] <bryce> heh, unfortunately, with latest updates now networkmanager is losing its mind
[20:17] <kenvandine_wk> i need to kill pidgin for a bit.. taking up way to much ram :)
[20:49] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3-afk: did you test UNR on your netbook?
[20:57] <chrisccoulson> i'm noticing some really odd nautilus behaviour here :/
[21:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson: which one?
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128. if i have nautilus in icon view, and then zoom in at greater than 100%, i see a lot of white space in the right hand-side of the window, causing the horizontal scroll bar to appear
[21:17] <seb128> which scrollbar?
[21:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson: similar to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460044
[21:17] <seb128> ?
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> the horizontal one at the bottom of the window. it seems to appear for no reason
[21:18] <seb128> look at the first screenshot
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> that's quite possibly related, but in this case, nautilus shows the scrollbar
[21:19] <seb128> are you sure there is not a colum on the left which is not on screen?
[21:20] <seb128> I get a scrollbar here but I also get a column not on screen
[21:20] <seb128> but that's buggy indeed, you have lot of spacing on the right which is not useful
[21:21] <chrisccoulson> there doesn't appear to be any other columns. is there anywhere decent i can upload a screenshot too? it might be easier for me to explain that way
[21:21] <chrisccoulson> this seems to have only started in the last day or so
[21:21] <seb128> try downgrading gtk maybe and see if that's still an issue
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i'll try that shortly
[21:22] <seb128> or nautilus
[21:22] <seb128> "* Fix icon view RTL layout in compact view" is in the new version
[21:22] <seb128> which means layout changes, could have some side effects
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - the behaviour breaks between nautilus 2.26.1 and 2.26.2
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> doesn't seem to be gtk related
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> i'll open a bug report on the bugzilla
[21:29] <seb128> right, what I wrote just before
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it seems like that
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[21:29] <pitti> good night everyone
[21:30] <seb128> 'night pitti
[21:30] <chrisccoulson> good night pitti
[21:30] <kenvandine_wk> night!
[21:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson: you can try undoing the most recent change on http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/nautilus/trunk/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c
[21:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson: when you have a bug open give me the number I will try to ping alex about it tomorrow
[21:33] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i'll do that
[21:33] <seb128> in fact there is several recent commits
[21:33] <chrisccoulson> i'll try and narrow it down this evening if i get the chance
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - gnome bug 579086 for the nautilus issue
[21:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson: thanks
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> i'll try and spend some time isolating the commit that broke it shortly, but i need to get my stuff ready for work first
[21:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson: no hurry, you might want to wait tomorrow to see if alex see the issue directly or need extra infos
[21:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't mind doing that
[22:14] <rickspencer3> kenvandine: I run UNR, but I use desktop mode
[22:17] <james_w> chrisccoulson: "Low" for that policykit-gnome bug seems almost generous :-)
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> we need a "very low" ;)
[22:18] <chrisccoulson> i just had a look at some other policykit-gnome bugs
[22:18] <chrisccoulson> one of them is actually a common gnome-panel bug that keeps confusing people
[22:18] <kenvandine> rickspencer3: unr RC won't install on my classmate, but the beta is fine
[22:18]  * kenvandine filed a bug
[22:18] <rickspencer3> hmm
[22:19] <james_w> chrisccoulson: is that the one that I was triaging the other day?
[22:19] <rickspencer3> kenvandine: I haven't installed it since alpha 5
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> about the "Set System Time" button doing nothing?
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> that's a confusing gnome-panel issue
[22:20] <james_w> chrisccoulson: yeah, right at the end I found those bugs and realised it was probably that, but Mike didn't confirm
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> it seems most likely the same bug, so I just marked it as a duplicate
[22:21] <seb128> the "set" button should probably be next to the combo and not close the dialog
[22:21] <seb128> combo -> spin buttons
[22:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - that might make more sense
[22:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - the current situation is a bit inconsistent. If I open time-admin, I need to be in the admin group to set the time. But any user can do it via the panel. It seems that the policy is different for the 2 separate actions
[22:25] <seb128> would not be a surprise since they are 2 different softwares
[22:26] <james_w> yeah, there's a bug on gnome-panel saying it should be one of "auth_admin*"
[22:27] <seb128> that could make sense
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> is there any easy way of working out what symbols i'm missing in gdb?
[23:03] <seb128> use apport-retrace if that's a crash? ;-)
[23:04] <seb128> or look at the address and the process mapping to see what library matches it
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> apport's not possible here. it's an abort i'm trying to debug. i'll have a look at the addresses and process mapping though
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm actually trying to debug a g_critical message in file-roller. I'm running it with G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals to make it abort so I can see where it comes from. is that the best way of doing that?
[23:08] <seb128> yes


[04:27] <pleia2> ended up with a completely derailing headache this afternoon (seriously not cool!), publishing now
[04:28] <pleia2> (then I think I take more advil and go back to bed)
[04:30] <Unit193> Man, that's no fun.  Know what caused?
[04:32] <pleia2> not a clue, but the headache actually affected my vision too - that's new!
[04:35] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue274
[04:36] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: hope you get better by tomorrow
[04:36] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: thank you :)
[04:47] <pleia2> alright, that's all done
[04:47] <pleia2> night all
[18:59] <pleia2> akgraner: oops, I replied directly to john
[18:59] <pleia2> he was actually on the summary writers list, but changed his email address on me ;)
[19:00] <akgraner> ahh
[19:00] <akgraner> pleia2, oops
[19:00] <akgraner> that's why I cc you now too
[19:00] <akgraner> :-)
[19:04] <pleia2> yeah, I should have Cc:ed you, sorry about that :)


[19:59] <ubuntu_user> well, what I want is a desktop install that is fully automated, then I have an ansible script that adds everything else. I want to make a CD that does a fully automated install of desktop.
[20:00] <ubuntu_user> basically, desktop with all the questions answered and the addition of openssh-server, ansible, and some python modules
[20:00] <gogeta> ubuntu_user: well the closes i know would be remastersys
[20:00] <gogeta> ubuntu_user: make you own iso with the apps you whant
[20:00] <ubuntu_user> ok
[20:00] <ubuntu_user> I can read on that too
[20:01] <gogeta> ubuntu_user: but its not automated
[20:04] <doug16k> what is spl_system_task and why are there 64 processes of it running on my system? apt-file doesn't say which package it is from. something to do with zfs?
[20:05] <gogeta> doug16k: htop will give you somee detail
[20:07] <tomreyn> a web search for "spl_system_task" indicates relation to zfs, yes
[20:07] <gogeta> doug16k: i got 98 task running on my machine
[20:07] <doug16k> of that?
[20:08] <doug16k> of [spl_system_task]?
[20:08] <gogeta> doug16k: i dont use zfs so
[20:09] <doug16k> ok thanks
[20:09] <gogeta> doug16k: alot of them are probly sitting idel or something
[20:09] <gogeta> doug16k: unless youe seeing alot of cpu usage
[20:12] <doug16k> ah, modprobe -r zfs did remove them. thanks again
[20:12] <doug16k> I installed zfs a while back for some reason and never used it, so I'm cleaning it out
[20:14] <tomreyn> spl would be the "Solaris Porting Layer"
[20:14] <gogeta> doug16k:  that will only be tempary make shure you remove it
[20:22] <zamba> how reboot-safe is upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04?
[20:23] <zamba> i'm considering doing it remote
[20:24] <zamba> without any console
[20:29] <oerheks> zamba, "reboot-safe" .. you should restart at some point.
[20:30] <zamba> oerheks: meaning: will it come back up again
[20:32] <oerheks> it would be a test, not sure your ssh service survives upgrade
[20:37] <pijama_boy> Hey guys, anyone knows how to change the right click on dock bar application behavior in gnome?
[20:38] <gogeta> pijama_boy: ill tell you for 1 million dollers mwhahaha mehaha
[20:38] <gogeta> mwhaha
[20:38] <Dbugger> Is it normal that I cant still upgrade to 18.04?
[20:39] <Kamilion> Dbugger: yes, do-release-upgrade is enabled for LTS to LTS at 18.04.1, the point release in june/julyish
[20:39] <gogeta> Dbugger: yes
[20:39] <Dbugger> But I am in 17.10
[20:39] <Dbugger> shouldnt that be available immediately?
[20:40] <Kamilion> as far as i know, you get it when the LTS does.
[20:40] <Kamilion> upgrades are more complex than clean installs.
[20:40] <gogeta> pijama_boy: https://askubuntu.com/questions/966576/customizing-tray-taskbar-date-display-in-ubuntu-17-10
[20:40] <gogeta> should be the same for 18.04
[20:41] <Dbugger> oh well, then I guess I will still need a few weeks to install it... shame
[20:41] <Kamilion> Dbugger: i just did a fresh install, copied over /home/kamilion and reinstalled the packages I like. Wasn't much of an effort.
[20:42] <Kamilion> but all i rely on is the basic desktop, filemanager, text editor, and web browser.
[20:43] <gogeta> Dbugger: i meanif you have a steam libary or something you can copy it to another drive
[20:43] <gogeta> you know something that would take a long time to redownload
[20:43] <pijama_boy> Did an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 and it mostly worked
[20:43] <Kamilion> well, sorta. I installed 16.04 on btrfs, so I just moved /@ to /@old and let the installer create a new /@ without touching /@home
[20:43] <MoPac> So I'm trying to get a live persistent USB working. I made it with a FAT32 partition containing all the files from the Kubuntu 18.04 .iso and a second ext4 called casper-rw. On boot, though, I get an error and a drop to initramfs. It's "failed to mount /cow on /root: invalid argument, overlay mount failed"
[20:44] <gogeta> yea
[20:44] <MoPac> any suggestions?
[20:44] <MoPac> (oh, I also edited the grub entry to add "persistent" after "quiet splash". It worked as a non-persistent USB before I did that)
[20:46] <Kamilion> MoPac: I've goofed off a lot with casper, but I've never gotten persistance to work right. *shrug*
[20:47] <Kamilion> i think it expects some skeleton stuff inside casper-rw for the overlay to work, but i'm not sure.
[20:47] <Kamilion> eventually, I just gave up and wrote my own casper scripts to restore the small bits of state I needed
[20:48] <Kamilion> but I don't think any of that code's as well tested as it used to be
[20:48] <pijama_boy> are these gnome shell extensions super heavy on sys resources?
[20:49] <Kamilion> dunno, I prefer lubuntu
[20:49] <djk> does anyone use ukuu to stay current with kernel releases?
[20:49] <gogeta> pijama_boy: left to the at5 camp a wile ago
[20:50] <gogeta> qt5
[20:50] <Kamilion> djk: no, but I use unattended-updates, which will get new kernels. Won't reboot into them automatically tho
[20:50] <kostkon> pijama_boy, i guess it follows the law of the more you add the heavier it becomes in some degree
[20:52] <pijama_boy> kostkon, looks like a slippery slope
[20:52] <popeycore> djk: no, and i wouldn't recommend it
[20:54] <djk> It was working great until the 4.16.4 release.
[20:55] <danrik> can i remove top bar in ubuntu? how do I make it more of a gnome lookish?
[21:00] <riotz> whois danrik
[21:00] <riotz> ups
[21:11] <brainwash> djk: check https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu/issues
[21:16] <djk> brainwash: thank you that is the kind of info I was looking for. Have to look deeper in a bit.
[21:17] <Guest1542> How to do a quick chmod on disk called Naamloos 1 folder heaven to give me rights to read, write and execute again to everything in that folder? Just migrated from osx to ubuntu, thank you very much
[21:18] <Ben64> Guest1542: what's a 'quick chmod' ?
[21:18] <Guest1542> Ben64, would be nice if I can have read/write access again :)
[21:19] <Ben64> ok, use chmod then? you already seem to know the command you need
[21:19] <Guest1542> yeah, but not the right flags, over the whole disk/folder
[21:20] <Ben64> whats the output of 'ls -ld /path/to/the/directory'
[21:21] <Guest1542> brb, Iĺl check it out
[21:21] <danrik> is there a way to change wallpaper wihotu dragging things into pictures? really annoying
[21:21] <Guest1542> oh, btw, would be called different hehe
[21:21] <Guest1542> +path forgot that just now
[21:25] <en1gma> i think i might have made a big mistake. i have a laptop with ubuntu 16.04 32bit Desktop and i think i just forced an upgrade to 18.04 64bit desktop
[21:26] <en1gma> problem is there is no 64bit 18.04 but i used the -d switch and i see it upgrading alot of i386 bionic packages
[21:27] <compdoc> you'll know soon, i guess
[21:27] <en1gma> i used this command 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' on ubuntu 16.04 32bit desktop (i386)
[21:27] <en1gma> shiat
[21:28] <compdoc> is the desktop 64 bit?
[21:28] <compdoc> the cpu
[21:28] <oerheks> -d development,.. so you wonder why you get i386 updates
[21:28] <Ben64> en1gma: i think you'd be fine
[21:30] <en1gma> but dont forget there is NO release for 18.04 in i386
[21:30] <en1gma> didnt it get dropped?
[21:30] <en1gma> yea
[21:30] <en1gma> why is it doing i386
[21:35] <leftyfb> no
[21:35] <Apachez> is there a way to "whitelist" applications that takes longer time to load (such as hl2_linux when using steam) so you wont have to see that nag screen from gnome/ubuntu 17.10 and upwards that the application is not responding (while in fact it is responding, its busy loading the content)?
[21:35] <leftyfb> en1gma: It should work. There is no iso/installer for i386 but the packages exit
[21:36] <Apachez> whitelist as in "way at least 180 seconds and not just 2 seconds to nag about "not responding""
[21:36] <leftyfb> en1gma: "This change is just affecting the ubuntu-server i386 release while there will continue to be the x86 32-bit mini ISO image, Debian Installer image, and the i386 package archive will continue to exist. So for those running Ubuntu Server x86_64 you can still install i386 packages if needed, but the official Ubuntu Server image on the x86 front will be just x86_64. "
[21:37] <en1gma> ahh
[21:37] <leftyfb> It should still work
[21:38] <en1gma> ok its still upgrading. i keep running back and fourth between rooms and checking
[21:38] <en1gma> if it does reboot into 18.04 i386 desktop is there a good cleanup command i can use to get rid of that 16.04 install?
[21:38] <leftyfb> but seriously, I have machines that are 12 years old that are 64bit
[21:38] <brainwash> Apachez: https://askubuntu.com/questions/412917/how-to-increase-waiting-time-for-non-responding-programs
[21:39] <en1gma> i know. i keep telling the person to get rid of that humk of junk but they wont do it. it overheats all the time because it needs a new fan
[21:39] <leftyfb> en1gma: If the upgrade completes, there will be no 16.04 install
[21:39] <en1gma> ok cool
[21:39] <danrik> is there a nice gui tool for mounting ssh & samba shares?
[21:40] <en1gma> leftyfb so the only way to install 18.04 i386 desktop is to install ubuntu 16.04 i386 desktop then do the 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' command?
[21:40] <leftyfb> danrik: in nautilus, type: smb://server/share or sshfs://user@server:/path/to/folder  ... the latter you might need to install sshfs
[21:41] <Mr_Pan> en1gma, yes  -d
[21:41] <FernandoABBA> i just downloaded linux 18
[21:41] <FernandoABBA> what should i do first?
[21:41] <dax> en1gma: or use the mini ISO or server ISO, yes
[21:41] <Guest1542> Ben64, thanks for your help so far, will try again tomorrow
[21:41] <leftyfb> en1gma: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[21:42] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: what is "linux 18"?
[21:42] <en1gma> ahhh yea that probably the best way to do it.
[21:42] <FernandoABBA> leftyfb the new linux
[21:42] <FernandoABBA> it came out this week!
[21:42] <danrik> leftyfb, yeah I can do that, but I was thinking to mount on boot or somehthing similar
[21:42] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: I think the linux kernel is up to version 4.16 stable
[21:43] <FernandoABBA> no i have linux 18.04 now
[21:43] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: lets assume you're referring to Ubuntu version 18.04 (there is no version 18).
[21:43] <danrik> leftyfb, I know how to do this via nautilus - but then mountpoint on FS is not known
[21:43] <FernandoABBA> i thought ubuntu was linux
[21:43] <FernandoABBA> what is ubuntu then
[21:43] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: Ubuntu is a linux distribtion that uses the linux kernel
[21:43] <FernandoABBA> so it is linux 18?
[21:43] <leftyfb> no
[21:44] <leftyfb> it's Ubuntu 18.04
[21:44] <danrik> leftyfb,ive been using /etc/fstab - but the limitation is whenever network changes and share is no longer available it doesnt try to reconnect
[21:44] <FernandoABBA> i dont get it
[21:44] <leftyfb> the Linux kernel is up to version 4.16 stable
[21:44] <leftyfb> danrik: sudo mount -a
[21:44] <FernandoABBA> how is ubuntu at version 18
[21:44] <FernandoABBA> but linux is version 4
[21:44] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: what can we help you with?
[21:44] <FernandoABBA> that makes no sense
[21:44] <teward> FernandoABBA: this is a discussion to be had elsewhere.  What's your actual question?
[21:44] <oerheks> year (20)18
[21:44] <lapaga> FernandoABBA, it is 18.04 not 18
[21:45] <oerheks> https://www.bing.com/search?q=things+to+do+after+install+18.04
[21:45] <FernandoABBA> what should i do on linux 18 now that i am on it instead of windows?
[21:45] <leftyfb> oerheks: oh god
[21:45] <leftyfb> why? :)
[21:46] <FernandoABBA> nice bing
[21:46] <FernandoABBA> its stupid that all the defaults in linux is google
[21:46] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: please stop referring to it as "linux 18". There's no such thing and is completely wrong. You are running Ubuntu 18.04
[21:46] <FernandoABBA> im not ruining anything
[21:46] <kasa_> Hi
[21:47] <erio> hey
[21:47] <erio> is it possible to have installed libsdl2-dev in an amd64 system
[21:47] <erio> for both amd64 and i386
[21:47] <erio> ?
[21:48] <erio> or should I use a vm to build something for libsdl2-dev:i386 ?
[21:48] <erio> I am on Ubuntu 16.04
[21:48] <FernandoABBA> this is telling me i can link my android phone to ubuntu
[21:48] <FernandoABBA> but does it work if i dont use android
[21:49] <Kamilion> no
[21:49] <Kamilion> at least, not the android linking part.
[21:50] <FernandoABBA> i have a windows 8 phone
[21:50] <FernandoABBA> its a nokia
[21:50] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: what do you need help with?
[21:50] <FernandoABBA> what can i do to unleash the true power of linux 18
[21:51] <brainwash> erio: bug 1536081
[21:51] <FernandoABBA> right now its about a 3000 but i want it to be over 9000
[21:51] <leftyfb> !op | FernandoABBA regular troll
[21:51] <Kamilion> FernandoABBA: maybe apt install steam-installer ?
[21:51] <brainwash> erio: also https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=895518
[21:53] <FernandoABBA> steam!
[21:53] <Kamilion> FernandoABBA: ubuntu versions are derived by year.month. 18.04 is april 2018's release. The userspace version is independant of the version of the linux kernel included with the gnu userspace.
[21:53] <Kamilion> Ubuntu's based on top of debian, and there's like 30k packages. the kernel's just another package in the pool, with it's own versioning.
[21:54] <Kamilion> knowing a package's name is generally the magic key to unleashing the true power of a distro.
[21:56] <Kamilion> As for an anecdote, the reason linux's version is currently 4.x is because linus torvalds got tired of counting past 20 so 3.20 went to 4.0
[21:56] <Kamilion> Why? Because he only has ten toes and ten fingers.
[21:56] <pr3c0g> ..really ?
[21:56] <FernandoABBA> why isnt windows based on linux then?
[21:57] <Kamilion> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10
[21:57] <mast> Because facism
[21:57] <FernandoABBA> wouldnt it be easier for them if they did that?
[21:57] <leftyfb> !offtopic | FernandoABBA
[21:57] <Kamilion> because you can install the userspace on the windows kernel now.
[21:58] <Kamilion> it's still ubuntu. It's just not linux.
[21:59] <leftyfb> Kamilion: please stop
[21:59] <Kamilion> Awww. But I give such plausable answers!
[22:00] <FernandoABBA> plausable how? is that not true?
[22:00] <oerheks> !ubuwin
[22:00] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: this discussion is offtopic.
[22:00] <oerheks> *hips*
[22:01] <FernandoABBA> why would you do that?
[22:01] <Kamilion> the truth is the most plausable answer of all.
[22:01] <Kamilion> But I shall digress, as asked.
[22:02] <pr3c0g> actually I'm curious. why is ubuntu the default distro for aws machines ?
[22:02] <Kamilion> handshakes and launchpad's existance.
[22:02] <Kamilion> mmmmmmm, ppas.
[22:02] <Apachez> brainwash: tnx
[22:03] <pr3c0g> i see
[22:03] <FernandoABBA> is gender a choice?
[22:03] <Kamilion> pr3c0g: the launchpad PPA system is one of the easiest and most conveniant ways to not only publish packages, but to build them in a secure environment.
[22:03] <Apachez> brainwash: seems bad that this value cannot be configured without recompiling gnome
[22:04] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: please troll elsewhere
[22:04] <FernandoABBA> i meant that for a different channel leftyfb
[22:05] <pr3c0g> and launchpad is from canonical right ?
[22:05] <pr3c0g> but other distros don't use it ?
[22:05] <Kamilion> For various degrees of security; at least. There's a relatively high degree of isolation though, so in practice, it's about as trustworthy as you're gonna get.
[22:05] <Kamilion> Well, it's not that other distros don't use it -- arch pulls a few things from launchpad's BZR repos from time to time
[22:05] <Kamilion> like byobu
[22:06] <Kamilion> and yes, it's from canonical. It's the frontend to the buildfarm.
[22:06] <FernandoABBA> when i installed ubuntu it asked me to use osmething that lets me snapshot and stuff easier
[22:06] <FernandoABBA> can i make a snapshot of my hard drive then?
[22:07] <Kamilion> There's a number of tools that can perform that task, FernandoABBA. I'd recommend gnome-disk-tools, dc3dd, or gparted.
[22:07] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[22:07] <FernandoABBA> hi kasa_
[22:07] <kasa_> Hi
[22:08] <brainwash> Apachez: I guess so
[22:08] <Kamilion> gnome-disk-tools has a menu entry "Create Partition Image" on a selected partition, and "Create Disk Image" from the hamburger menu if a disk is selected.
[22:09] <FernandoABBA> i cant right click anymore because of linux 18 which is annoying
[22:09] <pr3c0g> ahah hamburger menu. sorry can't help but laugh at that term
[22:10] <Kamilion> me too. *sigh*
[22:10] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: please troll elsewhere
[22:10] <FernandoABBA> leftyfb i cant right click though
[22:10] <leftyfb> FernandoABBA: type: /part
[22:10] <FernandoABBA>  /part
[22:10] <FernandoABBA> i dont get it
[22:10] <hggdh> FernandoABBA: please stop
[22:10] <kasa_> pr3c0g: I heard that term very often, seems to be very common
[22:11] <FernandoABBA> why cant i right click though?
[22:11] <pr3c0g> kasa_: still funny though
[22:11] <Kamilion> https://www.iconfinder.com/icons/454844/file_hamburger_menu_list_menu_icon  The 'three bars' icon
[22:11] <kasa_> Because right clicking is a feature restricted to non-trolls
[22:11] <FernandoABBA> it is me trying to right click using two fingers on my laptop touchpad
[22:11] <FernandoABBA> it was working now it stopped
[22:12] <hggdh> because you do no seem interested in anything. You have asked a few questions, and never provided enough data
[22:12] <kasa_> pr3c0g: Yes
[22:12] <Draconiator> uhhh...
[22:12] <Draconiator> double click an icon and the progran starts.  Basic computer knowledge.
[22:13] <Kamilion> wait, does that mean I'm a problem if I provide an overabundance of data?
[22:13] <kasa_> Kamilion: ?
[22:13] <FernandoABBA> i am confused
[22:13] <hggdh> grep <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:14] <Kamilion> sorry, i may be in my mid 30s but I can't help feed the trolls sometimes
[22:14] <kasa_> Nice ^
[22:14] <Kamilion> I'll just go back to my $ prompt now
[22:15] <pr3c0g> hggdh: what are you doing lol
[22:15] <kasa_> In which Country are you guys?
[22:16] <Kamilion> hggdh: nice, I think you scared him off by calling his IP address in public.
[22:16] <leftyfb> !support | kasa_
[22:16] <Kamilion> (he was a webchat user anyway, so it wasn't exactly private)
[22:16] <pr3c0g> I'm from Portugal
[22:16] <kasa_> leftyfb: does this already count as offtopic?
[22:16] <SuperLag> I have an Intel NUC where I've installed 18.04 - it works great. I'd like to know how best to clone this setup to a VM on another machine. Is that doable?
[22:17] <riotz> uhm, what happened to the calculator in 18.04? it doesnt appear in the start menu somehow
[22:17] <leftyfb> kasa_: do you have a support question?
[22:17] <Kamilion> SuperLag: Do you have gnome-disk-tools installed?
[22:18] <kasa_> leftyfb: To be honest I have a few of them but I don’t have my computer available at the moment so asking them would be useless
[22:18] <Kamilion> SuperLag: if so, "Create Disk Image" from the hamburger menu with your disk selected, and a fileselector will pop up. You'll need a device bigger than the one you're copying.
[22:18] <hggdh> kasa_: then, please, do not contribute to the noise
[22:18] <SuperLag> Kamilion: I see "gnome-disk-utility", but not the name you mention.
[22:18] <Deckon> hello
[22:18] <Kamilion> eh, they change package names *sigh*
[22:18] <Kamilion> lemme double check
[22:19] <SuperLag> Kamilion: that looks to be the one
[22:19] <Deckon> some fix for the mysql isue in ubuntu 18.04?
[22:19] <Kamilion> yes, gnome-disk-utility it is, now.
[22:19] <SuperLag> I see the hamburger menu, and the option you mentioned.
[22:19] <SuperLag> bummer I can't compress it. :D
[22:19] <Kamilion> SuperLag: http://puu.sh/AcV47/2b3d588098.png
[22:19] <Kamilion> oh, okay, you found it. Good.
[22:20] <Kamilion> the option just under it will let you put the disk image back on a device for your next system.
[22:20] <Kamilion> make sure you pick the right disk first before restoring, I've shot myself in the foot at least twice.
[22:21] <Kamilion> you can also inspect an image by using the selected radiobutton icon menu
[22:22] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/AcV95/637af188bf.png
[22:22] <SuperLag> Kamilion: If I can just get the cert figured out for $CUSTOMER_VPN, then I could use this machine full-time. That would make me oh so happy.
[22:22] <Kamilion> which is the image that is seen on the right side, /dev/loop1
[22:23] <Kamilion> with a partition or empty space highlighted on the right side, you can also individually dump and restore partitions.
[22:23] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/AcVaG/190784585b.png
[22:23] <Kamilion> it's at the bottom of the checkmark menu.
[22:23] <en1gma> leftyfb it booted fine. yay
[22:24] <Kamilion> SuperLag: I'd also recommend booting the ISO first before doing it -- so your partition is safely unmounted and has been flagged as such during a clean shutdown.
[22:25] <Kamilion> i routinely clone 24GB SSDs like this myself.
[22:25] <Kamilion> it's so nice when the right tools are built in to the OS and other than having to call menus by weird names, I can just explain it normally
[22:26] <Kamilion> Good luck, poke me if you require any further assistance with your disk image task.
[22:26] <kasa_> I installed Ubuntu 18.04 in german and now changed the language to English. After booting, the login screen is german, but when I log in and log out again, it’s English. Is there a way to have it be english every time?
[22:26] <SuperLag> Kamilion: definitely. I appreciate the info.
[22:27] <SuperLag> I see /dev/loop* mounted a bunch of snaps?
[22:28] <Kamilion> nope, i used the 'attach disk image' option from the selected radiobutton menu, as shown in the screenshot.
[22:30] <Kamilion> Snaps aren't much different in practice though. On the up side, 18.04's use of snaps increased the number of loopback mount points from 32 to more than I've been able to count. Probably at least 500.
[22:30] <kasa_> Nobody?
[22:30] <SuperLag> I haven't read up on snaps, so I don't know what the big idea is.
[22:31] <Kamilion> overlayfs attached squashfs files.
[22:31] <Kamilion> interesting idea, quirky result. But that's just my opinion.
[22:31] <waterlooABBA> i should get some sleep but Kamilion you seem like a person with a beautiful soul and you are the sweet dream that lights up someones day
[22:32] <Kamilion> sorry, my soul is covered in graffiti and punk rock lyrics.
[22:32] <tomreyn> kasa_: mkae sure this is set to the english locale you want: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[22:33] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether this is going to fix the issue, though
[22:33] <kasa_> tomreyn: I will try that tomorrow
[22:33] <kasa_> I changed the language in the preferences menu
[22:33] <kasa_> But the login screen doesn’t care
[22:33] <tomreyn> i think the login screen takes the system locale
[22:34] <tomreyn> not that of your user, since you're not logged in
[22:34] <kasa_> I didn’t really customize my install yet so reinstalling in English wouldn’t be too hard
[22:34] <kasa_> tomreyn: that makes sense
[22:35] <oerheks> isn't there an option to apply a language systemwide?
[22:35] <kasa_> tomreyn: thanks!
[22:35] <kasa_> oerheks: I didn’t see one
[22:35] <transhuman> hi! looking for the cirrus driver for artful, is there no longer any? Its what KVM virtual machines look for?
[22:35] <jmgb4> Hey fellas, is there a way to completely remove java 11 from ubuntu? I just want to test some things quick then come back. It seems "update-alternatives --config java" then selecting 8 doesnt _actually_ change the java version to 8....
[22:36] <transhuman> jmgb4 is it openjdk or is it oracle
[22:37] <jmgb4> transhuman, openjdk according to update-alternatives
[22:37] <transhuman> what version of Ubuntu
[22:37] <jmgb4> 18
[22:38] <transhuman> sudo apt-get remove --purge openjdk-11-jdk
[22:38] <jmgb4> Did that
[22:38] <jmgb4> didnt seem to do the trick
[22:39] <transhuman> how about just apt remove opnejdk-11-jdk
[22:39] <tomreyn> or: sudo apt --purge remove openjdk-11\*
[22:40] <jmgb4> There we go
[22:40] <transhuman> tomreyn, thanks for that
[22:40] <jmgb4> Yeah thanks
[22:41] <transhuman> you wouldnt know about the cirrus driver would you?
[22:41] <transhuman> for 17.10
[22:42] <Draconiator> "Running module version sanity check"....uhhhh Linux developers are funny.
[22:43] <tomreyn> transhuman: not really, what makes you think it doesn't work?
[22:46] <tomreyn> transhuman: also try replacing 'cirrus' by just 'vga'
[22:48] <ian5v> hi all! trying to compile some kernel code but getting "/include/linux/kernel.h:6:10: fatal error: stdarg.h: No such file or directory". i've googled it some, manually symlinked stdarg.h to /usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-20-generic/include/, but no luck.
[22:49] <ian5v> that just trips on the next include, "asm/linkage.h"
[22:49] <ian5v> this is 18.04 (i've compiled this driver on 16.04 successfully before)
[22:50] <ian5v> any guesses?
[22:50] <Draconiator> hmmm... 16.04 uses a different desktop I think.
[22:52] <ian5v> pretty sure i need to symlink some directory
[22:52] <Jordan_U> ian5v: Code made for a 16.04 kernel is almost guaranteed not to build for an 18.04 kernel, your includes are the least of your problems there. What driver are you trying to compile? What hardware are you trying to get to work?
[22:53] <ian5v> Jordan_U: https://github.com/djpohly/piuio an IO board for an ITG cabinet
[22:54] <transhuman> tomreyn, sorry to take so long to reply , their is no cirrus package in the repository
[22:54] <transhuman> there*
[22:55] <Draconiator> Do0es the Ubuntu team take codename suggestions?  I wanna see "Wild Wampa" heh.
[22:56] <Kamilion> transhuman: shouldn't you be using qxl now?
[22:57] <Kamilion> xserver-xorg-video-qxl
[22:57] <Kamilion> "or other SPICE-compatible KVM/Qemu emulator"
[22:57] <mattfly> hi
[22:57] <mattfly>  im on ubuntu 18.04 LTS and proceed as said here> https://askubuntu.com/questions/6769/hibernate-and-resume-from-a-swap-file and tried other ways too but I am unable to hibernate
[22:57] <mattfly> s2disk gets stuck on snapshooting system
[22:58] <transhuman> Kamilion I can try that it was just what was recommended on KVM's website (its probably outdated as usual)
[22:59] <Jordan_U> I'm looking for a good alarm program to run a school bell system. Needs to be able to handle more than 20 "alarms" (whenever the school bell should ring) per day and have a separate schedule for Monday-Thursday and Friday. Needs to be configurable by less technical users (or else I would just use mplayer + systemd timers).
[23:00] <ian5v> bailing on 18.04 and opting for 16.04 instead, works fine for our use case.
[23:03] <tomreyn> transhuman: hmm yes i think Kamilion is right about using spice and qxl nowadays.
[23:03] <transhuman> ok, I just wish they would update the docs
[23:03] <Draconiator> Figured out why this hard drive is slow...8MB buffer cache.  heh.
[23:05] <Kamilion> transhuman: wish they'd update the xen docs too
[23:05] <Kamilion> transhuman: everybody's container crazy these days
[23:05] <tomreyn> transhuman: i guess the 'docs' are the virsh 'reference implementation' (and its defaults). ;-) and then there is https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/SPICE
[23:06] <Kamilion> fedora 15's pretty old. wow.
[23:06] <tomreyn> actually, that's: "Date of latest edit	10:24, 26 December 2015"
[23:06] <Kamilion> (what those docs reference)
[23:07] <mattfly> how can i debug s2disk:
[23:07] <mattfly> ?]
[23:08] <ryn1x> Does anyone know the level of compatibility of 18.04 with a late 2016 13" MBP no touch bar?
[23:09] <Kamilion> transhuman: most recent data I'm seeing is https://askubuntu.com/questions/994449/ubuntu-16-04-kvm-qxl-guest-cant-change-resolution
[23:09] <tomreyn> $ curl -sI https://www.spice-space.org/spice-user-manual.html | grep ^Last
[23:09] <tomreyn> Last-Modified: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 12:43:17 GMT
[23:09] <transhuman> thanks Kamilion
[23:09] <transhuman> changed it to qxl and will try and get that working
[23:10] <Kamilion> "In the KVM host, I changed the Video from "QXL" --> "VGA" (worked after this)"
[23:10] <Kamilion> I think qxl might be the default now when you ask for "VGA"
[23:10] <transhuman> slim hangs showing desktop, gdm shows black screen and lightdm shows a black screen, looks like after a couple days it starts working
[23:10] <transhuman> starts working with slim only
[23:11] <Kamilion> huh. At this point, now that x2goserver is in bionic's repos, I've just been using that instead of the x2go ppa on 16.04.
[23:12] <compdoc> x2go is great
[23:12] <compdoc> works on 18 too
[23:12] <Kamilion> i use the x2go client which SSHs in itself to the VM's IP
[23:12] <compdoc> having issues?
[23:12] <Kamilion> transhuman's having issues with cirrus/qxl/vga on kvm
[23:13] <transhuman> having issues trying to get the desktop to launch
[23:14] <transhuman> doesnt matter which I choose
[23:14] <transhuman> this started with a run out of space, did a lot of crap to get everything else running just cant get xwindows to run
[23:14] <compdoc> I recently tested 18.04 in kvm, and had to change the default VNC port number cuz it made my screen seem to freeze
[23:15] <transhuman> not using vnc using spice I think compdoc but thanks for the hint
[23:16] <compdoc> yeah, never had much luck with spice. is that good to use now?
[23:16] <transhuman> never tried it compdoc
[23:16] <mattfly> was anyone here able to hibernate on ubuntu 18.04 lts?
[23:16] <transhuman> just thats what I have installed
[23:16] <transhuman> anyways trying to get the native desktop running
[23:18] <compdoc> oh
[23:18] <compdoc> I cold only get the new gnome destop to work with x2go when the console was logged in
[23:18] <compdoc> I have to use the Mate desktop
[23:19] <compdoc> *could
[23:24] <transhuman> going to do something radical and upgrade it to the next version, I kinds give up after two weeks
[23:24] <transhuman> something is holding it up but no errors
[23:26] <Deckon> hello
[23:28] <arktvrvs> hi
[23:29] <Deckon> hi, someone knows how to connet with mysql in ubuntu 18.04 without sudo?
[23:32] <leftyfb> Deckon: what have you tried and what error messages did you get (pastebin)
[23:32] <Draconiator> How do I stop Linux from messing with the system clock?  Every time I switch OSes it confuses me lol
[23:34] <kostkon> !utc
[23:34] <kostkon> nope
[23:34] <Deckon> leftyfb, i have this error and tried that solution https://www.nuevecincosiete.com/solucion-mysql-error-1045-access-denied-for-user-rootlocalhost/177
[23:35] <crimson_king> Draconiator, you could set Windows' clock to UTC through a registry change. There are tutorials online for that
[23:36] <crimson_king> Draconiator, for example, this one: http://kb.norsetech.net/set-windows-clock-to-utc-time/
[23:36] <Deckon> leftyfb, but that breaks the mysql autentication
[23:39] <craigbass76> Strange question folks... I've got a Plantronics headset. It works fine, but Linux isn't officially supported. Any idea of a command I can run that might give me any clue as to the status of the headset? On/off, battery life? I thought maybe someone else here had run into this.
[23:40] <medfly> Hi. I have two machines on my local network. one's ubuntu, one isn't linux. they can't ping each other(but they can ping the outer world). it's just setup with defaults - regular wireless, pick a network.
[23:40] <tomreyn> Deckon: if you say following this spanish language(?) tutorial breaks mysql authentication for root@localhost then this implies that it worked previously?
[23:40] <medfly> I am inclined to blame ubuntu because the non-linux machine had no such problems pinging local network devices
[23:40] <craigbass76> medfly: you can't ping the linux rig?
[23:40] <medfly> but I don't know omy way around network routings tuff.
[23:41] <medfly> yeah, and the linux ring can't ping the other machine too.
[23:41] <bigMouthCommie> i have a funny partition scheme that was causing some problems due to / becoming full. to remedy this, i cp'd the contents of /usr (my biggest root dir by far) to another, much larger partition, and mounted it to /usr. however, i'd like to remove the old /usr dir from the / partition. how do i do that?
[23:41] <pavlos> medfly: are they in the same subnet?
[23:41] <medfly> they are, <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:41] <pavlos> and their mask, the usual <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:42] <craigbass76> medfly: Well, I don't know that Windows responds to pings anyway by default, but that's weird the linux one won't answer. Is iptables (firewalld maybe what it's called now) running?
[23:42] <chamaeleon`> bigMouthCommie, don't remove /usr because have system binary files
[23:42] <bigMouthCommie> chamaeleon`: i already cp'd the contents to another part and mounted it to /usr
[23:43] <pavlos> medfly: can you post route -n from the linux box
[23:43] <chamaeleon`> move, don't copy
[23:43] <medfly> the other machine is running netbsd
[23:43] <tomreyn> bigMouthCommie: how did you copy /usr ?
[23:43] <bigMouthCommie> i used mc
[23:43] <chamaeleon`> cp -R /
[23:43] <chamaeleon`> cp -R /usr ? :D
[23:43] <ryn1x> Just downloaded 18.04 LTS... looks like Ubuntu still doesn't have great scaling support for hidpi monitors. Am I missing something? I love ubuntu, but can't see switching from macos as my main driver yet... I am too used to high resolution monitors and laptop screens.
[23:43] <bigMouthCommie> with the preserve attributes option clicked
[23:43] <Deckon> tomreyn, sorry for that..in 17.10 mysql works great, in a fresh 18.04 mysql dont work
[23:43] <medfly> here is route -n https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WPBgJkmpR3/
[23:43] <Deckon> well, it works but with sudo
[23:44] <bigMouthCommie> i can't umount /usr b/c its in use now obviously. can i delete the dir from the other partiton tho?
[23:44] <medfly> ryn1x: i'm using a 4K monitor. seems fine, though I guess people want fractional scaling
[23:44] <leftyfb> medfly: Can the linux machine ping the gateway (<IP_ADDRESS>)?
[23:44] <medfly> I am just making everything 300% bigger.
[23:44] <medfly> leftyfb: Yes.
[23:44] <chamaeleon`> you can't umount /usr if you don't mount it in first place
[23:45] <pavlos> medfly: can linux ping the gateway (.138)
[23:45] <tomreyn> bigMouthCommie: hmm, maybe this worked, but if it didnt copy it properly you risk breaking the installation. to remove the old /usr you'd need to mount the / file system from a separate linux installation and then recursivery delete /usr, then re-create /usr with the same ownership and permissions.
[23:45] <chamaeleon`> you can umount the partition that was mounted
[23:45] <leftyfb> medfly: Ok, so the linux machine can ping the gateway but not any other device on your network?
[23:45] <medfly> well, I have only one device right now... maybe I can get a third for convenienice somewhere
[23:45] <chamaeleon`> tell me what do you wan\
[23:45] <pavlos> medfly: sry, leftyfb is helping
[23:45] <leftyfb> medfly: don't have a cellphone you can connect to wifi?
[23:45] <medfly> No, sorry (my phone's wifi is broken :()
[23:45] <bigMouthCommie> i was hoping to fix it without a reboot: the penalty in idlerpg will be quite high for me
[23:46] <medfly> It's all right if it doesn't work. I wondered if it's something obvious about the route
[23:46] <leftyfb> medfly: Is the linux machine on the exact same network? Wireless? Wired? NAT'd? A VM? Container? Or bare metal?
[23:46] <medfly> Everything is wireless! and it's NAT. and it's connecting to some ISP router.
[23:47] <leftyfb> medfly: is it NAT'd only behind your router to the rest of the internet or NAT'd behind a gateway to the rest of your local network?
[23:47] <chamaeleon`> bigMouthCommie, df -h http://paste.debian.net/
[23:48] <medfly> leNAT'd only behind the router to the rest of the world
[23:49] <chamaeleon`>  /nick chamaeleon
[23:49] <leftyfb> bigMouthCommie: you can bind mount your drive to another directory, say /mnt and then cd to /mnt/usr. That should be the old stuff you can delete
[23:49] <medfly> ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: No route to host
[23:50] <pavlos> medfly: you dont have openssh-server
[23:50] <bigMouthCommie> leftyfb: what you mean bind mount?
[23:50] <pavlos> medfly: wrong!
[23:50] <pavlos> medfly: my mistake
[23:50] <medfly> no worries
[23:50] <leftyfb> bigMouthCommie: actually, no bind mount But, if your / is on sda1, then mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[23:51] <Deckon> Its a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/serverguide/+bug/1752215
[23:51] <chamaeleon> bigMouthCommie, paste df -h to take it from beginning
[23:51] <ryn1x> medfly: yeah... up to 4k looks ok on a full size-monitor, but fractional scaling is almost a must for modern laptops.
[23:51] <chamaeleon> http://paste.debian.net/ @ it's easy
[23:52] <medfly> ryn1x: You might like https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/09/enable-fractional-scaling-gnome-linux
[23:52] <bigMouthCommie> HOLY SMOKES IT WORKED leftyfb
[23:53] <medfly> Hmm, it claims it works but I see no change. weird.
[23:54] <chamaeleon>  if it work don
[23:54] <medfly> Oh. needs wayland, then.
[23:54] <chamaeleon> ask
[23:56] <ryn1x> medfly: Thanks for the link. Seems strange that this isn't available in 18.04 since the switch to xorg. A step backward for the newest release... I think laptops with high resolution screens are becoming more and more the norm nowadays too.
[23:56] <bigMouthCommie> chamaeleon: the solution from leftyfb worked
[23:56] <bigMouthCommie> thank you all
[23:59] <Deckon> Solution for the mysql isue in ubuntu 18.04
[23:59] <Deckon> https://whs-dot-hk.github.io/ubuntu-18.04/install-mysql.html


[00:01] <KingParrot> meetings about what?
[00:02] <nacc> KingParrot: ... like for Ubuntu development teams, etc. Not a support channel.
[00:02] <KingParrot> Is this a freemason Pharoah worship meeting?
[00:02] <nacc> KingParrot: alright, you're a troll, have a nice day.
[00:03] <KingParrot> I am currently in an other ubuntu chat that is sorta dead.
[00:03] <nacc> KingParrot: you were told where to go for support.
[00:09] <KingParrot> makes the ubuntu smile when it cryies


[04:00] <holstein> astraljava: you want me to send the reminder email and all that?
[04:51] <astraljava> holstein: No, thanks, I can do that in a couple of hours, just gotta fish for the template in the archives. :)
[04:52] <holstein> astraljava: thanks
[04:52] <holstein> let me know if i can do anything pre or post meeting :)
[05:36] <astraljava> holstein: If you have time, could you check the desktop seed, and give us your input on the apps selection?
[05:37] <astraljava> holstein: Find it here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.oneiric
[12:40] <holstein> astraljava: i just do 'browse code' right?
[12:40]  * holstein looking
[12:51] <astraljava> holstein: I forget whether you can do that in LP, if not, just branch it out.
[12:51] <holstein> hehe... ill google that and see if i can figure out what it means ;)
[12:52] <astraljava> :) There are actually instructions on how to do that on the page. All you need to do is install bzr before that.
[13:11] <holstein> lol
[13:12] <holstein> this is about the help level i have come to expect
[13:12] <holstein> i click 'answers' and https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds
[13:12] <holstein> anyways... i'll RTFM later and see if i can look at that
[13:13] <holstein> i installed bzr, and i installed that before for some reason
[13:14] <astraljava> That's just because no-one set up the answers app for ubuntu-seeds.
[13:15] <astraljava> holstein: All you need to do is `sudo aptitude install bzr`, and then `bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.oneiric`. That latter command is actually on the page of ubuntustudio.oneiric, but yeah. You kinda need to know this stuff. :)
[13:15] <astraljava> Ahh... sorry, didn't read it all.
[13:23] <holstein> astraljava: so... im getting it
[13:23] <holstein> those just come in to whatever directory im cd'd into?
[13:24] <astraljava> holstein: Yes, and it should name the new directory by the branch name (ie. ubuntustudio.oneiric)
[13:24] <holstein> found it :)
[13:24] <astraljava> The file that we're mostly interested in is desktop, but feel free to poke around on the other stuff as well, you might have some cool ideas.
[13:25]  * holstein is -1 on bluetooth
[13:25] <astraljava> But we're probably not gonna make any huge changes, considering we're nearing beta now, so we've not got much time to experiment.
[13:25] <holstein> of course, we should see what size it is
[13:26] <holstein> its not like we can ever fit on a CD
[13:26] <astraljava> Well... people have bluetooth mice and keys. I bet it's something we might be interested in keeping.
[13:26] <astraljava> True.
[13:28] <holstein> if its small-ish, and doesnt run in the background by default, why not
[13:29] <holstein> i can see folks coming in "my mouse used to work, you guys suck"
[13:29] <holstein> ;)
[13:29] <astraljava> I kinda think it's purpose is to run in the background by default, cause people will wonder why they can't connect their peripherals, if it's not.
[13:29] <astraljava> Yeah. :D
[13:29] <holstein> i pretty much agree with what we were loosely talking about before
[13:30] <holstein> keeping the overall experience similar
[13:30] <holstein> and chaning the DE
[13:30] <holstein> *then* we can change some bigger stuff in the next cycle
[13:30] <holstein> so its not a whole bunch of change all at once
[13:30] <holstein> astraljava: within reason
[13:31] <holstein> if we didnt have BT, lets not have it
[13:31] <holstein> of course, theres the argument that we should mirror the main ubuntu-desktop config
[13:31] <holstein> who knows
[13:31] <holstein> you cant please everyone...
[13:44] <astraljava> Oh I know, but I will certainly try, still. :D