[01:07] <mup> Bug #1505460 opened: Image consistency with containers can be broken <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505460>
[01:10] <mup> Bug #1505460 changed: Image consistency with containers can be broken <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505460>
[01:13] <mup> Bug #1505460 opened: Image consistency with containers can be broken <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505460>
[01:16] <mup> Bug #1505460 changed: Image consistency with containers can be broken <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505460>
[01:19] <mup> Bug #1505460 opened: Image consistency with containers can be broken <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505460>
[03:42] <davecheney> Get:1 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ trusty-updates/main linux-image-3.19.0-30-generic arm64 3.19.0-30.34~14.04.1 [51.2 MB]
[03:42] <davecheney> 16% [1 linux-image-3.19.0-30-generic 10.0 MB/51.2 MB 20%]    56.8 kB/s 15min 1s^Z
[03:42] <davecheney> wheee
[03:42] <davecheney> cloud scale
[05:23] <mup> Bug #1505504 opened: error when destroying current environment in a multi-environment scenario <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505504>
[05:32] <mup> Bug #1505504 changed: error when destroying current environment in a multi-environment scenario <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505504>
[05:47] <mup> Bug #1505504 opened: error when destroying current environment in a multi-environment scenario <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505504>
[06:57] <rogpeppe> mgz: it looks like reviewboard has stopped adding the "Review request" comment to github PR titles
[06:57] <rogpeppe> mgz: (i just had to add one manually to https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3485 and the two before it haven't been labeled)
[08:07] <mgz> rogpeppe: yeah, I broke eric the other day, will fix now and poke him again later to sort out
[08:08]  * rogpeppe hopes eric can be fixed
[09:01] <dooferlad> voidspace: hangout time
[09:04] <dooferlad> jam: hangout?
[09:36] <voidspace> frobware: I've turned it into a PR so it can be reviewed, but  I won't land it until we've confirmed it actually fixes the bug!
[09:36] <voidspace> frobware: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3489
[09:36] <voidspace> frobware: bootstrapping against 1.9 now
[09:38] <voidspace> bug updated as well
[09:38] <frobware> voidspace, thanks - bbiab (rebooting)...
[10:01] <voidspace> frobware: hmmm... two failed bootstraps
[10:01] <voidspace> frobware: failing with 2015-10-13 10:00:33 WARNING juju.replicaset replicaset.go:98 Initiate: fetching replication status failed: cannot get replica set status: can't get local.system.replset config from self or any seed (EMPTYCONFIG)
[10:02] <voidspace> frobware: switched to 1.25 and trying to see if it fails in the same way
[10:02] <frobware> voidspace, worked first time for me - using your branch
[10:02] <voidspace> odd :-)
[10:02] <voidspace> it could just be dumb luck
[10:02] <frobware> voidspace, the times I see this I force a really clean build...
[10:03] <voidspace> frobware: that's certainly not the failure I would expect
[10:03] <voidspace> frobware: after I've tried vanilla 1.25 I'll rebuild and do a clean attempt
[10:03] <voidspace> I would expect everything after the ifdown/ifup to fail
[10:08] <voidspace> frobware: yeah, vanilla 1.25 fails much harder
[10:08] <voidspace> frobware: so I'll call that a win ;-)
[10:08] <voidspace> (fails earlier)
[10:08] <frobware> voidspace, still going through the motions with multiple NICs
[10:09] <voidspace> frobware: kk
[10:09] <voidspace> in the meantime
[10:10] <voidspace> dooferlad: TheMue: fancy a review? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2882/
[10:28] <voidspace> frobware: ah, a godeps made some changes, maybe that was it
[10:28] <voidspace> trying yet again
[10:29] <frobware> voidspace, pretty sure that's why/when I see the replicaset issue.
[10:29] <frobware> voidspace, posted a few comments and still doing some manual testing.
[10:31] <voidspace> frobware: thanks
[10:31] <voidspace> frobware: we can't create unit tests for machines with multiple nics  I don't think
[10:31] <voidspace> frobware: as the tests really just do text manipulation
[10:32] <frobware> voidspace, I was thinking more of the case where we have multiple entries in the expected input/output tests.
[10:33] <voidspace> frobware: we use the primary interface as found from the "ip route list exact 0/0" command
[10:33] <frobware> voidspace, so maybe I misread the test - let me take another look
[10:35] <voidspace> frobware: nice improvement in those bash functions though
[10:35] <voidspace> pushing now
[10:49] <voidspace> frobware:can I drop that issue?
[10:52] <frobware> voidspace, line 219 in environ_test.go - can we not simulate in there that there might be multiple NICs?
[10:53] <voidspace> frobware: that's the script we generate - which is the same for multiple nics
[10:53] <voidspace> frobware: we don't simulate the machine at all
[10:53] <voidspace> that script has to *work* on machines with multiple nics - but is itself unchanged
[10:53] <frobware> voidspace, that's just expected output though
[10:53] <voidspace> that's the script itself
[10:53] <voidspace> the output of generating the script
[10:54] <frobware> voidspace, to me that's just test input/output, no?
[10:54] <voidspace> frobware: well yes
[10:55] <voidspace> frobware: but that input / output will be the same on a machine with multiple nics
[10:55] <voidspace> we do not simulate the machine
[10:55] <frobware> voidspace, so does it make sense to have a test that has multiple ethN entries?
[10:55] <voidspace> we only generate the script and check the generated output matches what we expect
[10:55] <voidspace> frobware: the script will never have multiple ethN entries
[10:56] <voidspace> *running* the script on a machine with multiple nics will do something
[10:56] <voidspace> but the unit tests never run that part of the code
[10:57] <voidspace> frobware: see how that script doesn't mention ethN at all - but sets and uses $PRIMARY_IFACE
[10:57] <voidspace> frobware: or are you talking about networkStaticInitial versus networkStaticFinal
[10:57] <frobware> voidspace, sure, but the stuff I thought we were talking about was just text matching/replacement
[10:58] <voidspace> frobware: and adding extra ethN entries in the canned /etc/network/interfaces ?
[10:58] <voidspace> frobware: well it is
[10:58] <frobware> voidspace, exactly
[10:58] <voidspace> ah
[10:58] <voidspace> frobware: I can add an extra entry and we can test it is left untouched
[10:58] <voidspace> some value in that I guess
[10:58] <frobware> voidspace, agreed
[10:59] <voidspace> I'll add an extra test
[10:59] <frobware> voidspace, I think there should be two: 1 with eth0, 1 with eth...ethN.
[10:59] <voidspace> frobware: well I'll add one extra with an eth1
[11:00] <voidspace> frobware: if eth1 is untouched then adding ...ethN adds no extra value
[11:00] <voidspace> we just want to test that "not the primary interface" is left intact
[11:05] <voidspace> frobware: sorry for the misunderstanding :-)
[11:06] <mup> Bug #1505617 opened: juju backup intermittent failure <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505617>
[11:09] <mup> Bug #1505617 changed: juju backup intermittent failure <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505617>
[11:10] <voidspace> frobware: additional test pushed
[11:12] <mup> Bug #1505617 opened: juju backup intermittent failure <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505617>
[11:15] <frobware_> voidspace, thanks
[11:19] <frobware_> voidspace, mgz: do we have an easy or existing mechanism to build a ppa for a proposed fix like this?
[11:26] <voidspace> frobware_: I don't know, I don't think deploying a ppa is "simple"
[11:26] <frobware_> voidspace, heh, no. I've always used fpm when I wanted to do this.
[11:27] <voidspace> frobware_: are you using trusty or vivid?
[11:27] <voidspace> frobware_: on trusty I can bootstrap but then get the replset failure - reliably it seems
[11:27] <frobware_> voidspace, trusty
[11:27] <voidspace> frobware_: I'm trying changing the images to see if that helps
[11:27] <voidspace> probably a different mongo package
[11:28] <voidspace> but if it works for you it shouldn't be that
[11:28] <frobware_> voidspace, to rebuild I use: alias rebuild-juju='[ -f $PWD/juju/api.go ] && { set -e; nukegopkg; make clean; godeps -u dependencies.tsv; make install; }'
[11:29] <mgz> frobware_: people ask for ppas, but generally that's not actually useful for juju
[11:29] <mgz> we're better off giving them some built binaries
[11:29] <voidspace> mgz: frobware_ : in this case it's Mark Shuttleworth asking for a ppa...
[11:29] <mgz> yeah, well that's always a fun conversation
[11:29] <voidspace> oh no its not
 frobware: additional test pushed
 Bug #
[11:30] <mgz> voidspace: you killed him
[11:30] <voidspace> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1494476
[11:30] <mup> Bug #1494476: MAAS provider with MAAS 1.9 - /etc/network/interfaces "auto eth0" gets removed and bridge is not setup <addressability> <lxc> <maas-provider>
 <juju-core:Triaged by mfoord> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged by mfoord> <juju-core 1.25:In Progress by mfoord> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1494476>
[11:30] <voidspace> it's andreserl asking
[11:30] <voidspace> prebuild binaries should be enough
[11:31] <mgz> yup.
[11:36] <rogpeppe> mgz, anyone else: reviews much appreciated for this PR which fixes a critical issue: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2878/diff/#
[11:38] <mgz> rogpeppe: I'll +1, looked at it yesterday
[11:38] <rogpeppe> mgz: it's changed quite a bit since then
[11:38] <rogpeppe> mgz: yesterday's didn't actually fix the problem
[11:39] <rogpeppe> mgz: because we actually need to be able to log in
[11:39] <rogpeppe> mgz: and the Login method i had fetched the environment config, which failed
[11:39] <rogpeppe> mgz: so i've refactored things so agent login can be done without doing that
[11:39] <mgz> ;_;
[11:40] <rogpeppe> mgz: (which incidentally did simplify things a bit which was nice)
[11:48] <mup> Bug #1505648 opened: meter-status worker spins if charm doesn't have meter-status-changed hook <logging> <manifold> <uniter> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505648>
[12:05] <voidspace> frobware: shall I land this branch
[12:06] <frobware> voidspace, I was just about try / validate on 1.8
[12:06] <frobware> voidspace, give me 30 mins. OK?
[12:19] <voidspace> frobware: sure
[12:26] <frobware> voidspace, I ran into the replicaset issue too
[12:33] <mattyw> mgz, ping?
[12:44] <voidspace> frobware: 1.8 or 1.9?
[12:44] <voidspace> or both :-(
[12:46] <frobware> voidspace, 1.8. third time lucky?? now
[12:46] <voidspace> frobware: did you work out how to get ssh access?
[12:46] <frobware> voidspace, backdoor access?
[12:46] <voidspace> yeah
[12:46] <frobware> voidspace, nope :)
[12:46] <voidspace> I'll try hacking cloud init config and ssh into the machine after a failed bootstrap
[12:46] <voidspace> the machine is still running
[12:46] <voidspace> frobware: I'm going to have lunch first
[12:47] <frobware> voidspace, me too. though the patch seems fine for the combos I have tried on 1.8 and 1.9
[12:47] <voidspace> frobware: if it works sometimes that implies a timing issue
[12:47] <voidspace> yeah, odd :-/
[12:47] <frobware> voidspace, and I tried 1.9 way more
[12:47] <voidspace> annoying
[13:00] <perrito666> belated good morning all
[13:26] <mgz> mattyw: hey, what's up?
[13:27] <mattyw> mgz, hey hey - sorry you can ignore me
[13:27] <mattyw> mgz, I found some docs I could read instead of pestering others :)
[13:27] <mgz> :)
[14:00] <mup> Bug #1505617 changed: juju backup intermittent failure <backup-restore> <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505617>
[14:30] <mgz> bogdanteleaga: wotcha, you around? need to bother you about centos testing
[14:32] <mgz> ericsnow: also poké, when you have a mo, to talk about reviewboard github persm
[14:32] <ericsnow> mgz: k (OTP)
[14:41] <rogpeppe> mgz: did you forget to publish your review of http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2878/ ?
[14:47] <mgz> rogpeppe: yeah, need to finish that
[14:47] <rogpeppe> mgz: thanks
[14:50] <mgz> rogpeppe: okay, the thing I am hung up on, and why I didn't finish looking through the code yesterday,
[14:51] <mgz> is one we've started the server, what's to stop something connecting before all the upgrades have actually happened
[14:51] <mgz> the ordering around this hurts my head
[14:54] <rogpeppe> mgz: the machine agent has logic in it to stop that
[14:54] <rogpeppe> mgz: and i agree, it's a pain to reason about and should really be fixed at a more fundamental level
[14:55] <rogpeppe> mgz: but this at least works around the issue for now and is no worse than what we had before
[14:55] <rogpeppe> mgz: i think that probably mongo schema upgrades should be treated entirely separately from the other upgrades
[14:56] <rogpeppe> mgz: but that's too big a change for me to do right now (and it's not really my responsibility to fix old juju tech debt tbh)
[14:56] <mgz> rogpeppe: I agree this is better, will plus one and give in to the fact I don't comprehend all of cmd/jujud/agent/
[15:00] <rogpeppe> mgz: y'know, looking at the code, i'm no longer convinced that it does
[15:01] <mgz> ehehe ;_;
[15:03] <rogpeppe> mgz: but again, it's no different to how it was before
[15:04] <mgz> rogpeppe: you have reviews.
[15:04] <rogpeppe> mgz: ta!
[15:18] <voidspace> frobware: this is the /etc/network/interfaces I have
[15:18] <voidspace> juju-dev
[15:18] <voidspace> * gberginc has quit (Quit: -sigh-)
[15:18] <voidspace> frobware: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12773634/
[15:18] <voidspace> a bit weird
[15:18] <voidspace> ah
[15:18] <voidspace> auto eth0:1
[15:19] <voidspace> has been replaced with "auto juju-br0:1"
[15:19] <voidspace> funnily enough it occured to me that the sed we were using would clobber interface names where the primary interface was *part* of another interface
[15:19] <voidspace> dammit
[15:19] <voidspace> ok, easy enough to fix and test I think
[15:20] <mattyw> mgz, here's my yaml migration pr http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2883/
[15:26] <voidspace> dooferlad: ping
[15:27] <mgz> mattyw: thanks!
[15:27] <mgz> mattyw: anything particularly fun?
[15:28] <mattyw> mgz, there was one place where yaml setters and getters were changed and I think that reduced line count
[15:28] <mattyw> mgz, and also there was some validation that just wan't needed anymore
[15:29] <mattyw> mgz, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3490/files#diff-992668ccf77c55eabded974107a15a3bL94
[15:30] <frobware> voidspace, how did you get it into that state?
[15:30] <mgz> mattyw: is it worth wrapping errors from marshal funcs, or will we get enough context anyway?
[15:30] <voidspace> frobware: that's after a fresh bootstrap
[15:30] <voidspace> frobware: for some reason it has an "auto eth0:1" in it initially
[15:30] <frobware> voidspace, I did not run into that case
[15:31] <voidspace> frobware: were you able to ssh in?
[15:31] <frobware> voidspace, this through adding additional NICs via MAAS?
[15:31] <voidspace> frobware: that's ssh'ing into the failed bootstrap node
[15:31] <frobware> voidspace, ah. without your change?
[15:31] <voidspace> frobware: the sed code (pre-existing I might add) badly mangles "ssh eth0:1" into "auto juju-br0:1"
[15:31] <voidspace> frobware: no, that's with my change
[15:32] <mattyw> mgz, I think we get enough context - but opinions may vary
[15:32] <voidspace> frobware: so I can fix that problem and see if it fixes the replicaset issue
[15:32] <frobware> voidspace, I never saw that generated with multiple NICs.
[15:32] <voidspace> just bootstrapping now to see if I've fixed it
[15:32] <mattyw> mgz, for example for long sequences or maps you don't get much feedback
[15:32] <voidspace> frobware: even when bootstrap failed?
[15:32] <mattyw> mgz, but in the cases I've changed you're likely to know what was input anyway
[15:32] <frobware> voidspace, the only time I saw bootstrap fail (on 1.9) was when I was not running your branch
[15:33] <frobware> voidspace, btw - I'm currently running 1.25 in a bootstrap/destroy loop and have not seen the replicaset failure.
[15:34] <voidspace> frobware: with my fix in place I still have an eth0:1, but it isn't mangled by sed
[15:34] <voidspace> so maybe it will work this time
[15:34] <voidspace> bootstrap still in progress
[15:34] <frobware> voidspace, it's not clear to me how you got :1 added
[15:35] <voidspace> frobware: that's the *initial* /etc/network/interfaces that cloud init modifies
[15:35] <voidspace> so it comes from maas
[15:35] <frobware> voidspace, have not seen that.
[15:35] <voidspace> it has a different address!
[15:35] <voidspace> the machine has two addresses
[15:35] <frobware> voidspace, two addresses, 1 NIC?
[15:35] <voidspace> yep
[15:36] <frobware> voidspace, aha. Thought you were getting this on 2 NICs- confused.
[15:36] <voidspace> I have no idea why it is there
[15:36] <voidspace> but it is, and juju is no longer mangling it
[15:37] <voidspace> frobware: so the fix is good I think
[15:37] <voidspace> frobware: I'll push shortly with an extra test
[15:37] <voidspace> well, if the bootstrap works that is...
[15:37] <voidspace> nope, same problem
[15:37] <voidspace> so I think this additional interface in /etc/network/interfaces must be the problem
[15:38] <voidspace> I wonder if bootstrapping to a different node, not screwed up, would help
[15:38] <voidspace> I've acquired that node to force maas to pick a different one for bootstrap
[15:38] <voidspace> trying again
[15:39] <frobware> voidspace, and the new node has an alias too?
[15:39] <voidspace> frobware: don't know - will see shortly
[15:39] <frobware> voidspace, I just added one to my node... previously I was only concentrating on two NICs.
[15:39] <voidspace> frobware: as far as I can *see* the alias (if that's what it is) isn't defined in virt-manager
[15:40] <voidspace> no idea where it came from
[15:40] <frobware> voidspace, I added the alias in the MAAS screen
[15:40] <frobware> voidspace, so I see eth0 and eth0:1 each with their own addrs
[15:40] <voidspace> ah, ok - looking at the node in maas
[15:40] <voidspace> ah yes, it's there
[15:41] <voidspace> frobware: the other nodes don't have aliases
[15:41] <voidspace> so that's the problem
[15:41] <frobware> voidspace, but it is a legitimate combo.
[15:41] <voidspace> frobware: well, it is
[15:41] <voidspace> frobware: but it's an existing problem
[15:41] <voidspace> let's fix the reported bug
[15:41] <voidspace> and file a new one for the alias
[15:41] <voidspace> as the current bug is urgent
[15:42] <frobware> voidspace, fair enough
[15:42] <frobware> voidspace, but I think we would have to get the new bug fix into 1.25 as well
[15:42] <voidspace> that would depend on priority of that bug :-)
[15:43] <voidspace> I also don't immediately know the right fix
[15:43] <voidspace> I think we would probably need to add bridge_ports to all aliases too
[15:43] <voidspace> frobware: I'll leave the fix to not *mangle* aliases in
[15:43] <voidspace> as it's more correct
[15:43] <voidspace> so I'll write the extra test
[15:44] <voidspace> but that scenario still doesn't work
[15:44] <voidspace> I assume because the alias isn't routable and mongo is picking that address
[15:44] <frobware> voidspace, agreed to not mangling aliases
[15:44] <voidspace> cool
[15:48] <voidspace> frobware: bootstrap just worked
[15:48] <voidspace> so that was it
[15:49] <frobware> voidspace, if it's obvious I'm inclined to make sure it works with aliases too
[15:54] <voidspace> frobware: it's not obvious to me
[15:54] <voidspace> frobware: but it's *probably* not hard
[15:54] <voidspace> let's land this and I can work on it alongside
[15:54] <frobware> voidspace, ack
[15:55] <frobware> voidspace, whilst testing your bits I may have made some progress with addressable containers and macvlan...
[15:55] <voidspace> frobware: latest version pushed
[15:55] <voidspace> frobware: cool
[15:55] <voidspace> frobware: if you fancy a quick look over and giving me a ShipIt I'll land it
[15:56] <frobware> voidspace, looking and trying now...
[15:56] <voidspace> and then I'll do back/forward ports
[15:56] <voidspace> although dimitern said he has a simpler fix for 1.24
[15:56] <voidspace> not sure what that is
[15:57] <frobware> voidspace, heh - the node I'm using is entitled 'elegant-belief'. :)
[15:57] <frobware> voidspace, I think the simper fix is just 2 invocations of sed. one to replace, one to insert the bridge bits.
[15:58] <voidspace> ah, ok
[15:59] <voidspace> maas node names are lovely
[15:59] <voidspace> I'm on imaginative-hose
[15:59] <mattyw> I wonder which meaning of hose they had in mind
[16:00] <voidspace> heh
[16:00] <voidspace> all of them
[16:07] <frobware> voidspace, I wonder whether as debug we should $(cat /e/n/i) before and after our mods. At least the former may show up before we nuke any access...
[16:08] <voidspace> frobware: to the client?
[16:09] <frobware> voidspace, wherever debug goes
[16:09] <voidspace> frobware: I don't think there is any debug output from cloud init
[16:09] <voidspace> frobware: we could save a copy before mangling it
[16:09] <frobware> voidspace, but this is juju doing this bit
[16:10] <voidspace> frobware: this is cloud init
[16:10] <voidspace> frobware: this is a bash script we send to the machine using cloud init
[16:10] <frobware> voidspace, oh. I though juju did this in place
[16:10] <voidspace> no, that's why we have to use bash
[16:10] <voidspace> it's not the juju executable doing this
[16:11] <voidspace> it's bash code executed as part of machine setup
[16:11] <frobware> voidspace, so it could still be logged.
[16:12] <voidspace> frobware: using syslog?
[16:12] <voidspace> it's before there's a juju log file
[16:12] <frobware> voidspace, cloud-init can log stuff too
[16:13] <voidspace> ok
[16:13] <frobware> voidspace, just to be clear - your latest change is not alias aware, correct?
[16:13] <voidspace> frobware: it has changes to not mangle aliases
[16:13] <voidspace> but it doesn't work with aliases
[16:13] <voidspace> so basically correct, yes
[16:14] <frobware> voidspace, so no bootstrap possible with aliases (eth0:1)?
[16:14] <voidspace> frobware: that's correct, but it's also correct with trunk
[16:14] <voidspace> the new code is marginally better
[16:14] <voidspace> as trunk code will mangle aliases
[16:15] <frobware> voidspace, because it does bootstrap OK for me with aliases
[16:15] <voidspace> frobware: no replicaset issue?
[16:15] <frobware> voidspace, nope. here with aliases: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12773981/
[16:15] <voidspace> frobware: deleting the alias solved the replicaset problem for me
[16:16] <voidspace> frobware: using my branch?
[16:16] <voidspace> frobware: right, I guet that output - but bootstrap fails
[16:16] <voidspace> it maybe intermittent
[16:16] <voidspace> it probably depends which address of the two that mongo reports first
[16:16] <frobware> voidspace, 7a13a40365df2aa5f13572955783a8ac60fb0dd6 Don't mangle aliases
[16:17] <voidspace> frobware: cool
[16:17] <voidspace> frobware: I'll add an alias and try again
[16:17] <voidspace> frobware: in the meantime, care to give me a ShipIt?
[16:19] <voidspace> right, bootstrap in progress
[16:24] <frobware> voidspace, I added one more alias and it no longer bootstraps for me.
[16:24] <voidspace> heh
[16:26] <voidspace> frobware: really we would want mongo to use the primary interface not the alias
[16:26] <voidspace> so I wonder if that's the real problem here
[16:27] <frobware> voidspace, so the script output ends up in /var/lib/juju/nonce.txt - so we could add the cat before/after to see what we did...
[16:27] <frobware> voidspace, correction in /var/log/cloud-init-output.log
[16:27] <voidspace> ah, right
[16:27] <voidspace> we don't need after, as that's what's in /e/n/i anyway
[16:27] <voidspace> just before
[16:28] <voidspace> why the $(cat ...) ?
[16:28] <voidspace> why not just "cat ..."
[16:29] <frobware> voidspace, the $(...) was just be delimiting in the written prose...
[16:29] <voidspace> ah :-)
[16:30] <frobware> voidspace, the after is a sanity check if the cloud-init is logged to a console and e/n/i is borked. there's then a chance we could see why.
[16:31] <voidspace> ok...
[16:34] <frobware> voidspace, so your most recent change does handle the alias -- or so it seems to me.
[16:35] <voidspace> frobware: ok, that's good
[16:35] <voidspace> frobware: we can topic it in tomorrow's standup
[16:38] <frobware> voidspace, added a shipit - do you plan to post any binaries?
[16:39] <voidspace> frobware: I can create some I guess
[16:39] <voidspace> wonder where they should go
[16:40] <frobware> voidspace, http://people.canonical.com/~voidspace
[16:41] <voidspace> frobware: ah
[16:41] <voidspace> never used that...
[16:41] <voidspace> I'll look into it
[16:42] <voidspace> heh, 404
[16:42] <frobware> voidspace, nor me. I just saw dimiter publish some stuff there the other day... not sure I can login atm.
[16:42] <frobware> voidspace, I think you first need to create public_html
[16:42] <voidspace> right
[16:42] <voidspace> I'll look into it in a bit - some exercise first
[16:42] <voidspace> I've set my branch to land on 1.25
[16:42] <mgz> voidspace: you can (with vpn or chinstrap) scp to lillypilly.canonical.com:~/public_html
[16:43] <mgz> though it likes scri
[16:43] <voidspace> mgz: thanks
[16:43] <mgz> ..screwing up file persm so you have to ssh in to make apache like it anywa
[16:43] <voidspace> heh, right
[16:46] <natefinch> ericsnow: anything I can do to help?
[16:47] <ericsnow> natefinch: I don't think so
[16:47] <ericsnow> natefinch: you could look through the TODOs in that PR
[16:47] <natefinch> ericsnow: the LXD PR?
[16:48] <frobware> voidspace, you still there?
[16:48] <frobware> voidspace, this worked for me: ssh -i ~/.ssh/id_launchpad_rsa people.canonical.com
[16:48] <ericsnow> natefinch: yeah, that would help, but I was thinking of the list-payloads one (which probably doesn't actually have many TODOs)
[16:49] <voidspace> frobware: cool, thanks
[16:49] <frobware> voidspace, you'll need to be on the VPN
[16:49] <natefinch> ericsnow: sure, I can look at that one. Probably have a better base of knowledge for it anyway.
[16:50] <voidspace> frobware: bootstrap with an alias just worked for me too
[16:50] <frobware> voidspace, it seems a nice by product of the \s* sed/grep match
[16:51] <voidspace> yeah
[16:51] <voidspace> not mangling things is generally good...
[16:51] <frobware> s/nice/natural <shrug>
[16:51] <voidspace> :)
[16:52] <frobware> voidspace, we're just waiting for that to merge in 1.25, correct?
[16:52] <voidspace> yep
[16:52] <voidspace> then porting to master
[16:52] <frobware> voidspace, if so could you update the bug report so at least everybody knows current status. thx.
[16:52] <voidspace> and maybe 1.24 depending on if dimiter prefers his fix
[16:52] <voidspace> yep
[16:54] <voidspace> frobware: updated, really going now
[16:54] <frobware> voidspace, me too. thanks!
[16:54] <natefinch> ericsnow: I don't really see any super important todos that need to get done for that code.  Mostly just nice-to-haves and/or open questions.
[16:55] <ericsnow> natefinch: k
[16:55] <natefinch> (that code = payloads list)
[16:55] <ericsnow> natefinch: perhaps catalog what tests are missing?
[16:55] <natefinch> ericsnow: good idea
[17:04] <natefinch> ericsnow: I started doing the list as another review of the code, but would it be more useful in textual form?  So we could put it in a card and anyone could work on it/
[17:12] <ericsnow> natefinch: sgtm
[17:37] <katco> ericsnow: wwitzel3: time to start again
[20:35] <ericsnow> wwitzel3: FYI, my list-payloads patch works now
[20:47] <thumper> dooferlad: ping
[21:14] <cherylj> Hey davechen1y, are you actively working on bug 1465317
[21:15] <mup> Bug #1465317: Wily osx win: panic: osVersion reported an error: Could not determine series <osx> <packaging> <wily> <windows> <juju-core:In Progress by dave-cheney> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <juju-release-tools:Fix Released by sinzui> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465317>
[21:22] <thumper> cherylj: what's the concern with http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2868/
[21:23] <cherylj> thumper: look at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2854/
[21:23] <thumper> looking there now actually
[21:23]  * thumper thinks
[21:24] <wwitzel3> ericsnow: awesome, will check it out now
[21:50] <mattyw> thumper, while we happen to be in the same place (irc) at the same time (now) have you seen rog' email on juju-dev about the user names local domain stuff, and do you have any problem with it?
[21:50] <thumper> no, not seen it yet
[21:50] <thumper> so no comment
[21:52] <mattyw> thumper, ok, I figured that might be the case, just wanted to check
[21:52] <mattyw> thumper, it's no particularly urgent
[22:11]  * thumper headdesks
[22:12] <thumper> two hours at work and it has started already
[22:12] <thumper> FFS
[22:12] <mgz> no, no, the poor desk
[22:13] <mgz> mattyw: reviewed your branch earlier btw
[22:13] <mattyw> mgz, I saw, thanks very much
[22:13] <mattyw> mgz, I'm saving the work until tomrrow
[22:13] <mattyw> mgz, something to look forward to
[22:14] <mgz> :D
[22:14] <thumper> cherylj: you were right to be concerned about the flslock changes
[22:14]  * thumper brings up a juju/utils branch
[22:15] <mgz> thumper: my argument was we just want to do what bzr used to, which is `kill -0 pid`
[22:15] <mgz> which approximately works everywhere
[22:15] <thumper> what is that?
[22:16] <mgz> just check if the pid in the lock is alive
[22:16] <mgz> no fancy stuff
[22:17] <thumper> kill works on windows?
[22:17] <thumper> I do agree, no fancy stuff
[22:17] <mgz> there's a very similar equivalent with TerminateProcess
[22:17] <thumper> surely there is a way to get Go to tell us about a pid
[22:18] <thumper> implicit breaking of a lock is bad IMO
[22:18] <thumper> there are better ways
[22:19] <mgz> I agree just using a better lock primative would be better regardless
[22:22] <thumper> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15204162/check-if-a-process-exists-in-go-way
[22:22] <thumper> mgz: this does what you said the Go way
[22:23] <mgz> thumper: looks like we'd actually want x/sys/unix Kill
[22:23] <thumper> no, because windows
[22:24] <mgz> I have doubts process.Signal does the right thing on windows
[22:24] <thumper> I'll write a test and check :-)
[22:46]  * thumper goes to walk the dog to clear thinking
[23:15] <wallyworld> perrito666: anastasiamac: running a bit late
[23:15] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: k. ping when ready :D
[23:15] <perrito666> wallyworld: ack
[23:21] <davechen1y> is anyone on call reviewer today ?
[23:21] <perrito666> davechen1y: I still am
[23:21] <perrito666> at least in my tz
[23:22]  * perrito666 shifted his day a bit to the right
[23:22] <davechen1y> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2881/
[23:22] <davechen1y> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2880/
[23:22] <davechen1y> if you have time please
[23:22] <perrito666> davechen1y: syre
[23:22] <perrito666> sure
[23:26] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: here now


[07:21] <somebody> how can i make ubuntu do something stupid?
[07:24] <elfy> ?
[07:33] <somebody> yeah.. something stupid!
[07:34] <somebody> never mind.. i am going to occupy my bed! :) good night
[16:26] <AlanBell> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/content/video
[22:01] <zykotick9> i think PPA might "really" stand for "Providing Problems Always" ;)  default packages ftw


[00:37] <z1l0g> hola
[00:37] <z1l0g> Anyone here still using Lucid?
[00:40] <tgm4883> I do in some places
[00:40] <tgm4883> on my mythtv backend and my server
[00:42] <z1l0g> ah okay.  I just ran system update and apparently it uninstalled openoffice.
[00:43] <z1l0g> and it doesn't seem to want me to re-install it :/
[00:43] <tgm4883> z1l0g, did it install libreoffice?
[00:43] <z1l0g> you're probably not having this issue on your servers ;)
[00:44] <tgm4883> z1l0g, I don't have that on my servers
[00:44] <z1l0g> no, didn't install LibreOffice.
[00:44] <tgm4883> hmm
[00:44] <tgm4883> sec
[00:45] <z1l0g> it's odd since ubuntu states that it was going to provide critical updates to OOo until april 2013
[00:45] <tgm4883> do you have any PPA's installed?
[00:45] <z1l0g> yes, there are PPAs for Libreoffice and Firefox
[00:46] <tgm4883> well, why are you trying to install openoffice if you have the libreoffice PPA?
[00:47] <z1l0g> er, well there's a "Firefox Stable Channel Packages" entry in the Software Center panel
[00:47] <tgm4883> ok, so what happens if you try to install openoffice?
[00:48] <z1l0g> I think I may have added that in preparation but never tried to install LibreOffice
[00:48] <tgm4883> honestly, I'd just install libreoffice rather than figure out why openoffice won't install
[00:49] <z1l0g> I get a "Package dependencies cannot be resolved" error
[00:50] <z1l0g> yeah, for me it doesn't matter. I support others who are actively using OOo though and I'm getting questions as to why it's suddenly missing
[00:50] <tgm4883> z1l0g, don't do a partial upgrade
[00:50] <tgm4883> then it won't be missing
[00:51] <tgm4883> but if you want to troubleshoot it, try installing it from the command line and see what it can't resolve
[00:51] <z1l0g> oh, maybe that's what happened.  I saw something about "Partial upgrade" pop up
[00:51] <tgm4883> yea, don't do partial upgrades unless you're absolutely sure you know what you're doing
[00:52] <z1l0g> tried using apt-get install and it will mention various depencancies that are needed and _won't_ be installed...
[00:52] <tgm4883> z1l0g, pastebin the output
[00:52] <z1l0g> heh, well it sure wasn't presented as a "this can ferk up your system" option :/
[00:53] <z1l0g> no doubt there's gonna be a bunch more posts come Monday
[00:53] <z1l0g> jus a sec
[00:54] <tgm4883> z1l0g, honestly, it was probably caused by your PPA's
[00:55] <z1l0g>  http://pastebin.com/xQY9fnh2
[00:55] <z1l0g> so, do I uninstall the LibreOffice PPA?
[00:58] <tgm4883> z1l0g, hmm, looks like it should be fine
[00:58] <tgm4883> have you done an 'apt-get update'?
[00:58] <z1l0g> yes
[00:59] <z1l0g> I'm fine with removing the LibreOffice PPA, just not sure how
[01:00] <tgm4883> apt-add-repository -r <ppaname>
[01:01] <z1l0g> okay, thanks.  I'll try that to see if it fixes things
[01:10] <z1l0g> okay, removed it from the synaptic package manager and clicked Reload.  apt-get install openoffice.org still fails; even trying to install the base pkg fails
[01:10] <z1l0g> oh, ran apt-get update too
[01:11] <z1l0g> guess there's no "revert to previous state' in ubuntu eh?
[01:16] <z1l0g> is there a way to rebuild the "installed pkgs" DB?  It seems to think it's installed still but all the OOo binaries are missing
[01:18]  * z1l0g guesses he has asked too many questions ;)
[01:18] <z1l0g> maybe I drag this thing sown to tomorrow's PLUG clinic
[01:19] <z1l0g> thanks
[07:14] <bkerensa> Hello All
[07:14] <bkerensa> :D
[07:16] <bkerensa> slangasek: What are your thoughts on having a bootable debian usb stick with storage for purposes of debian package building?
[08:39] <goddard> hiya
[21:18] <c_smith_> hello
[21:23] <c_smith__> c_smith_tmp
[21:23] <c_smith__> oops\
[21:23] <c_smith__> bkerensa: are you available?
[21:31] <c_smith__> okay, here's to hoping that my connetion stays stable for a while.
[21:32] <c_smith__> bkerensa: may I get you to look at a post I'm working on on my blog?
[21:33] <c_smith__> I've got what I want to get out done.
[21:37] <c_smith_> hmmmm, seems bkerensa isn't here.
[21:45] <c_smith> anyone here?
[21:45] <c_smith> finally figured out how to get chatzilla to work with the znc server.
[21:47] <c_smith> seems kinda dead here.
[21:47]  * c_smith better go.
[23:56] <goddard> when is the next meeting?


[07:52] <acheronuk> ricktimmis[m]: in riot, can search the freenode channels in the gui. dunno about other guis
[08:16] <ricktimmis[m]> Morning acheronuk  thanks, good tip. I think it's pretty good, I like it so far
[08:16] <ricktimmis[m]> Going to install it on my phone later
[08:17] <ricktimmis[m]> Currently it's on my tablet
[08:17] <ricktimmis[m]> I want to try to use it for the next kafe
[08:17] <acheronuk> at the moment I use IRC through a PC which is nearly always on, and have a KDE BNC, so it's just interesting backup for me
[08:18] <acheronuk> still cool though
[08:18] <ricktimmis[m]> See I move around allot during the day, home, w work, mobile etch...
[08:27] <acheronuk> yeah, if telegram did not do enough, I might need to for that. at the moment TG is on the core stuff I want
[08:28] <acheronuk> the rest of IRC is too much noise when not at the PC
[17:37] <mparillo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases shows 17.04 EOL in January. Do we consider it 2018-01-01, 2018-01-31, or 2018-01-13 (the nine-month anniversary)?
[17:38] <wxl> judging by past releases, um, january sometime XD
[17:38] <wxl> actually maybe doing a little date math might reveal the answer
[17:43] <wxl> yeah can't figure it out with e.g. yakkety
[17:43] <wxl> +wxl@standard-desktop:~$ date -d "October 13 2016 +9 months"
[17:43] <wxl> Thu Jul 13 00:00:00 PDT 2017
[17:43] <wxl> +wxl@standard-desktop:~$ date -d "October 13 2016 +270 days"
[17:43] <wxl> Mon Jul 10 00:00:00 PDT 2017
[17:43] <wxl> neither of those are the 20th
[17:44] <wxl> that also follows for wily
[17:44] <wxl> i think it's basically like "when we get to it"
[17:44] <mparillo> Great idea. Libre Office says it is not an exact number of days either: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26279574/
[17:47] <wxl> which is why i used months instead of days but obviously that doesn't work out and given that the 13th doesn't become the 13th, i guess that's fairly obvious
[17:48] <wxl> if you want a definitive answer as to the factors leading to the decision and the announcement thereof, i'd suggest contacting the release team. infinity or slangasek should know
[17:53] <mparillo> No worries. It was a quiet day, and I guess I won't delete my 17.04 VM for a couple of weeks yet.
[17:54] <wxl> :)
[21:38] <valorie> btw if I didn't mention it before; I'll be leaving in an hour or so for our cabin in the mountains for the new year's party annual event -- be back Monday sometimes
[21:38] <valorie> -s
[21:39] <valorie> matrix on this chan might work, and telegram sorta works sometimes
[21:39] <valorie> happy new year, everyone@
[21:39] <acheronuk> valorie: ok. have a lovely new year
[21:40] <valorie> would be lovely to have each of you up there with us celebrating!
[21:40] <acheronuk> it would. sounds fantastic
[21:40] <valorie> it is amazing
[21:41] <valorie> right outside Mt Rainier Nat. Park
[21:41] <valorie> my parents and 3 other families built it from the 50s on
[21:42] <valorie> used to be quite raucous and full of drunks
[21:42] <valorie> these days full of families and much less drinking and more board games
[21:42] <valorie> playing in the snow is the constant
[21:44] <acheronuk> sounds great!
[21:44] <acheronuk> perfect for this time of year
[21:44] <acheronuk> or any really
[21:45] <valorie> yes
 Happy new year valorie :)
[21:45] <valorie> I like it in good weather and bad
 Before you go valorie, I'm thinking of going to SELF
[21:45] <valorie> thanks simon! same to you, and drive safely!
 So I'll probably apply for funding soon
[21:45] <valorie> ooooo
[21:45] <valorie> nice
[21:46] <valorie> tsimonq2: where are you staying during lfnw?
 @valorie, I will, thanks :)
[21:46] <valorie> I forgot to ask
 @valorie, Same hotel at last year but with @Schyken, he already reserved the room
 I got him to agree to drive up from Tucson!
[21:47] <valorie> oh cool
[21:47] <valorie> wow
[21:47] <valorie> that's at least 2 days drive!
[21:47] <valorie> although I'd late a week, and enjoy it
[21:47] <valorie> he might not have the time
 We'll have to see how long it takes :)
 But yeah for SELF I don't know where I'll he staying yet
 I'm talking to @Kernellinux (my boss at Altispeed) to see what his plans are
[21:48] <valorie> awesome
 @ahoneybun if you're going to SELF 2018, wanna roomshare?
 Mm if I'm going
 Alright
 Like I said, I wanna apply for funding within the next week or two so I have a good chance of getting it
 Speaking of LFNW valorie I've had more and more weird cravings lately for your cold brewed coffee
 Next time I'll put some sugar in in but I did enjoy it
[21:58] <valorie> it is lovely
[21:59] <valorie> lately with a bit of eggnog, but that will be long gone when you arrive
 Oooh
 Too bad I have to miss out on it :(
[22:04] <valorie> well, the coffee will be there, just not the eggnog
[22:04] <valorie> ok, gonna go pack for the weekend
[22:04] <valorie> talk to you all next year
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Have fun!


[23:38] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +151 cases (now 1.6 million), +6 deaths (now 27918), +13569 tests (now 10.6 million) since a day ago


[00:18] <salley> does this chat not work well with proton ?
[00:19] <rbox> huh?
[00:19] <salley> protonvpn
[00:20] <salley> seems like most ip are blocked
[00:20] <rbox> libera might block it from abuse
[00:20] <salley> ic ok
[00:26] <salley> I quit nvidia , and am now using an old radeon card, why does ubuntu run light years better with an old radeon card compared to nvidia / thanks.
[00:27] <salley> no comparison
[00:28] <rbox> what do you mean "run better"
[00:28] <salley> it runs circles around nvidia, its only a business machine too.
[00:30] <rbox> still not saying anything useful...
[00:30] <salley> ok, ask me what should be looked for regarding my statement.
[00:30] <rbox> [05:28:23 PM] <rbox> what do you mean "run better"
[00:31] <salley> 10x faster with no slow down lockups and or funky errors on boot.
[00:31] <rbox> wgats faster, what driver were you using
[00:32] <salley> idk, it came with it and searching drivers gives nothing , havent looked at synaptic yet tho to see.
[00:33] <salley> its a 5470 card, i think
[00:33] <salley> Turks PRO [Radeon HD 6570/7570/8550 / R5 230]
[00:34] <rbox> the nvidia...
[00:34] <salley> no bottle necks with a 8 core intel
[00:34] <salley> oh
[00:35] <salley> well, regardless of what i use nivdia  specifically the 1650, it slows down, gives errors, and locks up, no matter the driver
[00:35] <salley> i even tried an old 710 and its the same
[00:36] <rbox> what do you mena "no matter the driver"
[00:36] <salley> this radeon card blows the doors off of anything nvidia ive tried.
[00:37] <salley> i tried 535/470
[00:37] <rbox> i dont know waht 535/470 is
[00:37] <salley> wow
[00:37] <salley> ok
[00:37] <salley> so, what should we look for
[00:38] <salley> ic lol
[00:38] <salley> dun dun dun
[00:39] <salley> im blond, but not THAT blond.
[00:41] <salley> rbox
[00:43] <salley> how can ubuntu tackle these problems
[00:43] <rbox> huh?
[00:44] <salley> rbox  why does nvidia not work
[00:44] <rbox> what driver...
[00:44] <salley> 535
[00:45] <rbox> waht is 535
[00:45] <rbox> thats a number
[00:45] <salley> it is the number of said driver for nvidia.
[00:46] <rbox> what driver
[00:46] <salley> driver number 535
[00:47] <salley> nvidia driver number 535
[00:48] <salley> rbox  how many qubits are available
[00:50] <salley> rbox  what driver are we to suggest.
[00:51] <salley> rbox gone lol
[00:52] <salley> merry christmas rbox
[04:29] <salley> lol
[04:30] <kotgc> How to move an AppImage file to a permanent location and create a desktop icon? This guide is wrong https://askubuntu.com/questions/1328196/how-can-i-create-desktop-entry-for-an-appimage
[04:31] <kotgc> Step 3 is not a directory, so I've moved the AppImage to /usr/bin.
[04:31] <kotgc> Step 4 is not a directory also?
[04:32] <salley> im giving up computers - back im 01- when we started abba computers in ocala fl - I knew in my gut - we were dead meat - im now giving up technology.
[04:32] <salley> phuch you
[04:32] <kotgc> salley, this is tech support, not chat.
[04:33] <salley> im now done
[04:33] <salley> john 8:44
[04:33] <kotgc> moderator kick salley
[04:33] <salley> these are the days people
[04:34] <salley> I had dreams back in 1983
[04:34] <salley> you were warned
[04:34] <salley> my last post is -- john 3;16 KJV
[04:35] <salley> OUT
[05:27] <Arun> Hello
[07:17] <spinningCat> there is a wireless connection i could connect but now i cannot connet that network. What cna i do to solve problem?
[07:20] <mIk3_08> Merry Christmas everyone.
[07:25] <xmas-rednosed> Merry Christmas mIk3_08 :)
[07:48] <kotgc> mIk3_08, happy pagan solstice.
[08:05] <casa> hola
[08:12] <Fallon> https://porn.jules-aubert.info/humble_bundle
[08:12] <Fallon> https://porn.jules-aubert.info/the_manga_guides
[08:56] <croraf_> Why is this always obsolete :( https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html
[08:57] <croraf_> Where to find up-to-date mainline kernel mapping
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> !mainline | croraf_
[08:59] <croraf_> It points to the same list of kernels, which is out of date
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> did you find the https://kernel.ubuntu.com/mainline/?C=N;O=D link?
[09:06] <croraf_> Not sure what is that
[09:07] <croraf_> I mean, my point still holds, that the above mapping list is always out of date
[09:12] <dunamis> Hi guys, I need some help. I installed Ubuntu Studio on a MicroSSD and the installation went fine. Except that having installed grub on the same partition there is no way and I find the grub prompt at startup... after some research I realized that it really can't find the MicroSSD from UEFI.
[09:12] <dunamis> Doing exit reboot on Windows 11
[09:13] <dunamis> Doing exit reboot on Windows 11
[09:14] <EriC^^> dunamis: you also have another ubuntu installation on the pc? or just the ubuntu you installed and windows 11?
[09:14] <dunamis> just this one
[09:15] <dunamis> windows 11 and ubuntu studio on MicroSSD
[09:15] <EriC^^> ok when you get the grub prompt is it grub> or grub rescue> ?
[09:15] <dunamis> only grub
[09:15] <EriC^^> can you boot it and be here at the same time?
[09:16] <dunamis> mmm... maybe from my smartphone
[09:17] <EriC^^> you can head to https://web.libera.chat/ and get on irc from there
[09:18] <dunamis> ok, I'm lookin for it
[09:18] <EriC^^> ok
[09:19] <dunamis2> Ok I reboot my pc
[09:22] <dunamis2> Ok here I am on grub prompt
[09:22] <EriC^^> dunamis2: ok type "ls /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[09:24] <dunamis2> Invalid file name
[09:24] <dunamis2> Actually I can't find a grub directory
[09:26] <EriC^^> ok
[09:26] <EriC^^> type "ls -l"
[09:27] <EriC^^> is there a ext* filesystem there in the list?
[09:28] <dunamis2> No
[09:28] <EriC^^> did it give a list of partitions?
[09:29] <dunamis2> Yes
[09:29] <dunamis2> No ext4 filesystem
[09:29] <EriC^^> you need to find which one has ubuntu, "ls (hd0,gpt1)/" for example and when you see /boot /root /etc /usr blabla then that's the one
[09:30] <EriC^^> give them a go til it shows the main directories
[09:30] <EriC^^> ubuntu isnt encrypted right?
[09:33] <dunamis2> Yes but I can't find it from this prompt. Only on (hd0,gpt1) I find a grub.cfg inside /EFI/Ubuntu pointing one the UUID of the MicroSSD but I can see it only from the live
[09:33] <dunamis2> Encrypted!
[09:33] <dunamis2> ?
[09:33] <dunamis2> I can't remember very well
[09:33] <dunamis2> Mmm
[09:34] <dunamis2> Maybe I have to reinstall it
[09:34] <forex> n3wb3
[09:35] <dunamis2> And be sure it isn't encrypted
[09:35] <forex> what is the best channel, newbe in the block
[09:35] <forex> ?
[09:35] <dunamis2> From Dolphin in the Live I can see the partition of Ubuntu Studio
[09:36] <dunamis2> inside the MicroSSD device
[09:38] <EriC^^> dunamis2: ok try to reinstall
[09:39] <EriC^^> during the installation choose 'something else' and manually partition instead of 'reinstall' in case the installer messes up and installs to windows 11 by mistake
[09:39] <EriC^^> dunamis2: ^
[09:40] <dunamis2> I have a boot-repair log... https://pastebin.com/u9NjvveK
[09:40] <EriC^^> checking..
[09:40] <dunamis2> Can you understand it?
[09:41] <EriC^^> dunamis2: does grub see the microssd when you do "ls -l" ?
[09:41] <EriC^^> from the log it seems that grub is also installed in the windows 11 drive
[09:42] <dunamis2> No
[09:42] <EriC^^> aha
[09:42] <EriC^^> that's the problem then
[09:42] <dunamis2> What?
[09:43] <EriC^^> grub cant see the microssd
[09:43] <dunamis2> Yes it seems it
[09:43] <EriC^^> does the bios see it? does it show up in "f9" when you boot the pc?
[09:43] <EriC^^> (im assuming you have hp pc)
[09:44] <dunamis2> Yes an omen HP laptop
[09:44] <EriC^^> after the pc starts try pressing f9 to get the run time boot menu
[09:45] <dunamis2> It see 2 boot loader
[09:46] <dunamis2> The first one is Ubuntu
[09:46] <dunamis2> The second one is windows
[09:46] <EriC^^> any disks?
[09:46] <EriC^^> those are the uefi entries i guess
[09:47] <dunamis2> Yes
[09:47] <EriC^^> does it show the microsd?
[09:48] <EriC^^> some guy online says that he fixed it by installing grub and /boot to the internal disk and that way he boots ubuntu on the microsd
[09:48] <EriC^^> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1104910/grub-wont-find-ubuntu-after-sd-card-installation-on-a-uefi-compute-stick
[09:49] <dunamis2> No. If I choose the first one I get the grub prompt
[09:49] <dunamis2> Ok
[09:49] <EriC^^> aha
[09:50] <dunamis2> Do I need to do it with grub-install from the live?
[09:50] <EriC^^> you could do it from there yeah
[09:50] <EriC^^> but you need to create a small partition on the windows disk
[09:51] <dunamis2> I don't use Linux since about 3 years
[09:51] <EriC^^> type 'sudo parted -ls' to see the disk info once the live boots
[09:51] <dunamis2> Mmm
[09:51] <dunamis2> Ok
[09:52] <EriC^^> "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" it should give a link back, paste it here to share
[09:53] <dunamis2> Ok I'll join from the live
[09:53] <EriC^^> ok
[10:01] <dunamis> Here I am
[10:02]  * xmas-rednosed stretches elastic_dog
[10:02] <EriC^> dunamis: let me know once you've booted and shared the link
[10:08] <dunamis> Can you repeat the last comand_
[10:08] <dunamis> I have problems with the keyboard layout
[10:08] <dunamis> I m italian
[10:11] <dunamis> I have to copy the comand due the keyboard layout
[10:11] <dunamis> could you reapet it
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> dunamis: <EriC^^> "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" it should give a link back, paste it here to share
[10:13] <dunamis> thanks
[10:14] <dunamis> https://termbin.com/m2u0
[10:16] <EriC^> dunamis: earlier when you tried "ls -l" in grub there was no hdX,msdos... right? all hdX,gpt ?
[10:16] <dunamis> yes
[10:17] <dunamis> right
[10:17] <EriC^> ok
[10:18] <EriC^> do you need the recovery stuff on the windows11 disk?
[10:19] <EriC^> cause you need like 1gb or so of free space there to create a /boot partition
[10:19] <dunamis> mmm.. I woud not touch the data inside
[10:20] <dunamis> is it possible a resize of the partition_
[10:20] <EriC^> the data wouldnt be touched, but you'd lose some of the diagnostic/recovery stuff of the laptop i guess
[10:21] <EriC^> nvme0n1p4 and nvme0n1p5 could be used, they give around 1-2gb
[10:21] <EriC^> it doesnt look like there's a recovery partition in the laptop, everything's on nvme0n1p3
[10:22] <EriC^> but those are 2 hidden,diagnostic partitions
[10:22] <dunamis> may be he hp recovery sysrtem has also hardware diagnostic tools...
[10:22] <dunamis> I would not touch it
[10:24] <EriC^> gotcha
[10:25] <dunamis> it seems it-s better to install ubuntu on another disk, microSSD give a lot of problems
[10:25] <EriC^> yeah, or another usb also
[10:26] <dunamis> yes
[10:26] <EriC^> could you type "sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p1 /mnt"
[10:27] <dunamis> yes
[10:27] <EriC^> then "cat /mnt/efi/ubuntu/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:27] <dunamis> ok
[10:28] <EriC^> i'm curious i remembered that you got a grub> not grub rescue> it's kind of odd because you should have gotten a grub rescue>
[10:28] <dunamis> https://termbin.com/3po0
[10:28] <dunamis> Yes, I have only grub
[10:29] <dunamis> I get only grub on boot
[10:30] <EriC^> yup that's bit odd
[10:31] <dunamis> I guess it
[10:31] <EriC^> cause when the efi file grub loads, it uses that file above to load its other stuff, if it cant you get a grub rescue>
[10:31] <dunamis> strange beahviour
[10:32] <EriC^> yeah
[10:32] <EriC^> could you boot the 'ubuntu' os last time just to check it out? we can investigate what it's using as the prefix variable
[10:33] <dunamis> ok,
[10:35] <EriC^> dunamis2: try in grub> "echo $prefix"
[10:35] <dunamis2> Ok
[10:36] <dunamis2> (hd0,gpt1)/boot/grub
[10:36] <EriC^> ok
[10:37] <EriC^> is the the live usb still plugged in?
[10:37] <dunamis2> No
[10:37] <EriC^> try "ls" it only shows hd0 ?
[10:38] <EriC^> it has gpt5 ? it's the main windows disk?
[10:38] <dunamis2> proc memdisk and only various hd0 gpt
[10:39] <EriC^> aha i guess it's the windows disk then
[10:39] <dunamis2> I don't know it
[10:39] <EriC^> try "ls (hd0,gpt1)/boot" does it return anything?
[10:40] <dunamis2> Not found
[10:43] <EriC^> i see
[10:43] <EriC^> anything happen if you type "normal" ?
[10:44] <dunamis2> No
[10:44] <EriC^> "insmod normal" then "normal" ?
[10:44] <dunamis2> Nothing
[10:44] <EriC^> i guess it cant see the microsd and then defaults to using the efi partition, odd it doesnt say grub rescue> but nothing is there it seems
[10:45] <dunamis2> Yes
[10:45] <dunamis2> I guess it too
[10:45] <EriC^> you could make ubuntu on another usb or disk i guess and be good, if you really are keen on putting it on the microsd i just thought of using efi partition as /boot and keeping it fat32 it should work but the space is so low it would be a pita
[10:45] <dunamis2> Too bad
[10:46] <EriC^> yeah
[10:47] <dunamis2> What if I choose to reset the UEFI boot? How to delete this grub prompt?
[10:51] <EriC^> 1 sec
[10:51] <dunamis2> However thanks for the help
[10:52] <EriC^> dunamis2: to delete it you have to boot the live usb and type 'sudo efibootmgr -v'
[10:53] <dunamis2> Ok 👍
[10:53] <EriC^> then get the number of the entry on the left
[10:53] <dunamis2> Thanks f
[10:53] <EriC^> and type sudo efibootmgr -B -b 0001
[10:53] <EriC^> or whatever number it is
[10:54] <EriC^> no problem
[10:54] <dunamis2> Mmm ok I'll do it later
[11:16] <enr> interstellar
[12:11] <tomreyn> croraf_: $ curl -si https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html | grep ^Last-Modified:        reports    "Last-Modified: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 10:45:06 GMT". you can see the same at the directory index at https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/ - there's no guarantees that any files or reports or statistics stored on people.canonical.com will regularly and consistently be updated. assuming oteherwise is just wrong. if you have
[12:11] <tomreyn> a question about this specific file, try #ubuntu-kernel
[12:11] <tomreyn> (i see you did)
[12:12] <beh>  Hello,   anyone able to help me diagnose a problem with NetworkManager in noble?     (iwlist scanning shows network interface working;   NetworkManager says "wifi unavailable" and so I can't connect via wifi)
[12:12] <beh> nmtui does not show the wifi interface (wlp4s0) in the devices list when I try to activate a connection...  How can I make it aware of that interface?
[12:13] <tomreyn> !noble | hi beh, please note
[13:39] <amadu> Hello?
[13:42] <tomreyn> hi amadu
[13:43] <tomreyn> do oyu have an ubuntu support question? then just ask, and someone will respond, sooner or later, if they think they know a good answer.
[13:49] <xix3r> Hello guys
[13:49] <xix3r> anybody?
[13:50] <xix3r> whatsupp
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> !ask | xix3r
[13:50] <xix3r> !patience
[13:50] <xix3r> suggest a good clock for i3 except conky
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> xix3r: you can try #ubuntu-discuss for that if you like
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> xix3r: we usualy focus on ubuntu issues in this support channel
[13:51] <xix3r> join #ubuntu-discuss
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> xix3r: /join #ubuntu-discuss
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:25] <leftyfb> hi BluesKaj
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Merry Christmas leftyfb :-)
[14:27] <jailbreak> It's not Christmas yet tho...
[14:28] <leftyfb> depends on where you live in the world
[14:28] <BluesKaj> well I'm scandinavian and we celebrate the eve as much as the next day
[14:29] <BluesKaj> altho I'm actually a Canadian citizen
[14:34] <amadu> that's interesting
[14:36] <pavlos> many have dual citizenship
[14:44] <Mandem0110> Merry Christmas 🎁⛄
[14:55] <cicero> hello
[14:56] <jatt> hi see the following entry in the dmesg output:
[14:56] <jatt> [So Dez 24 15:17:38 2023] com.github.john[66815]: segfault at d4 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>5484a7 sp 00007fff09cb1e70 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2406.32[727469283000+38f000] likely on CPU 1 (core 1, socket 0)
[14:57] <jatt> looks suspicious, but not sure why it happens, I don't have that password cracking software installed
[14:58] <leftyfb> jatt: wipe the machine completely, install ubuntu from scratch, change all your passwords everywhere and then restore from backup
[15:03] <jatt> I see, it might be still to be a false positive, I use the foliate package from the ubuntu archives and that one crashed today, I see the use a very similar namespace as the error: https://github.com/johnfactotum/foliate/issues/785
[15:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 785 in johnfactotum/foliate "Segfault on application launch" [Closed]
[15:04] <jatt> so it might be is not truly an attack but just that the foliate application crashed
[15:10] <devzx> hello
[15:10] <devzx> anybody tyerw
[15:11] <Mandem0110> !ask | devzx
[15:18] <tomreyn> leftyfb  / jatt: this would seem like a rather drastic measure with this little information. i would not recommend this at this point.
[15:20] <p0indexter> merry xmas to the devs of a great OS ty !
[15:41] <jatt-> tomreyn: I agree, I investigated further and I think it's a false positive
[15:41] <jatt-> no need to wipe out anything without conclusive evidence
[16:01] <sem> my hardware volume up and down buttons have never worked and I'm trying to troubleshoot finally. This is ubuntu studio 23.10
[16:02] <sem> is there a terminal command that reacts when you press a key so I can verify the hardware itself first
[16:04] <ioria> sem, xev (if you use Xorg)
[16:05] <sem> ioria, hey ioria! Thanks! It looks like that is working for most keys, but it doesn't react to the volume keys, or any of the special "function" keys like brightness...
[16:06] <ioria> sem, no i don't think that will work with Fn keys
[16:08] <sem> wait it is working for some of them, like it works for "microphone off" (which gives keycode 248)
[16:08] <ioria> sem, but it should work for the volum key
[16:08] <sem> it doesn't react to the volume key
[16:08] <sem> so what does this mean -- that xorg doesn't recognize it, or that the hardware is broken
[16:10] <ioria> sem, xev is not reacting, or the volume does not change ?
[16:10] <ioria> or both ?
[16:11] <sem> I have to clarify: The buttons that don't do anything are hardware buttons on the right side of the laptop/tablet. When pressed, they don't change the volume OR react in xev
[16:12] <sem> On my keyboard, F1-F3 keys also double as mute, volume down, and volume up, and those work when pressed, but don't react in xev
[16:12] <ioria> sem, xmodmap -pke | grep -i volum
[16:14] <sem> ok
[16:14] <sem> keycode 122 = XF86AudioLowerVolume NoSymbol XF86AudioLowerVolume
[16:14] <sem> keycode 123 = XF86AudioRaiseVolume NoSymbol XF86AudioRaiseVolume
[16:18] <sem> So if I understand correctly, Xorg is supposed to recognize two keys for volume up/down. Is it possible to find out which keys correspond to 122 and 123? Or is it safe to assume that refers to the hardware vol up/down
[16:18] <ioria> sem, usually they are the mediakeys
[16:24] <sem> so if I understand correctly, when I press them, I should see 122, 123 showing up in xev
[16:25] <sem> if they are not showing up, does that mean my hardware is not supported by ubuntu? If that is the case, can I report it somewhere
[16:27] <sem> i am suspecting I might have to do something with thinkpad_acpi
[16:32] <sem> acpi_listen also shows now output when the mediakeys (vol up/down) are pressed
[16:33] <ioria> sem, are we talking about mediakeys or some sort of hw switch ?
[16:36] <sem> I am not sure what media keys means. My keyboard Function Keys F1-F3 double as mute, vol down, and vol up. They work, show up in acpi_listen, but not in xev. The hardware keys on the side of my laptop don't currently do anything. What are the "mediakeys" ?
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[16:39] <jeremy31> ioria: disconnect
[16:41] <sem> what happened?
[16:42] <ioria> sorry about that, wrong paste
[16:42] <ioria> sem, try to reboot with 'acpi_osi=' kernel parameter
[16:44] <sem> ok
[16:53] <sem> ok ioria I've booted up with acpi_osi= but I don't notice any changes
[16:54] <sem> If I understand correctly that boot param instructs the kernel to not report anything special to acpi? What does it do
[16:55] <ioria> sem, are you using Gnome  ? if so that is controlled by the gsd-media-keys daemon
[16:56] <sem> yes i believe i am in gnome
[16:57] <ioria> sem, open 'Settings' > Keyboard and type 'volume'
[16:58] <sem> I'm there; I don't see any helpful looking settings though. I have input sources, input source switching, special character entry, and keyboard shortcuts
[16:58] <ioria> sem, type 'volume'
[16:59] <sem> I did. It took me to that page
[16:59] <ioria> sem, how are the shortcuts set ?
[16:59] <sem> Ok, I clicked "keyboard shortcuts" and typed volume there.
[16:59] <sem> All three are "disabled"
[16:59] <sem> but if I try to change it and press the hardware key, nothing happens
[17:00] <sem> i suspect they are being controlled by the thinkpad-acpi kernel module somehow
[17:01] <ioria> sem, i see; set one of them
[17:03] <sem> ioria, I'm not sure what you mean? I do not know how to use thinkpad-acpi so I am doing some research
[17:04] <ioria> sem, i mean, set a shortcut for the 'volume down' or 'up', so if you cannot use the Fn or the hw key you can still set the volume
[17:04] <sem> ok i will test it out like that
[17:05] <sem> ioria, alright I've verified that it will accept a new shortcut (ctrl shift alt =)
[17:06] <ioria> sem, ok
[17:06] <sem> this new shortcut works as expected, and the function volume key also still works
[17:18] <sem> according to this thread, I might just need to upgrade the bios https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-Tablets/Weird-volume-button-issue-on-X12-Detachable/m-p/5193244?page=3
[17:20] <sem> Knowing this, I'll have to take a break because I'll have to reinstall windows to update the bios, and I'm not ready to install windows
[17:32] <tomreyn> sem: you probably don't need to install windows to install a bios update. bioses can often load a bios update from a fat formatted usb stick and in some cases you can even upgrade it from ubuntu using fwupdmgr
[17:34] <sem> I've been looking on the LVFS database and it doesn't look like my device is supported (thinkpad X12 detachable gen 1)
[17:34] <sem> but I will try the USB method later. Thanks!
[17:39] <tomreyn> r1gur19w.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'R1GET58W' (bootable)
[17:39] <sem> ioria, is it safe to keep using the system with acpi_osi= or should I reboot? I still don't understand really what it did
[17:43] <tomreyn> https://workaround.org/article/updating-the-bios-on-lenovo-laptops-from-linux-using-a-usb-flash-stick/ should work with this one
[17:43] <sem> sweet, reading it now
[17:49] <baldpope> decided to start here, as I don't think ubuntu-server is appropriate (Though i'm on the fence) = having trouble with apt update on 22.04 complaining about bad signatures for (as example) security.ubuntu.com
[17:50] <baldpope> https://pastebin.com/A5NAbXaq
[17:51] <baldpope> or the dpaste preference https://dpaste.com/H7ZAN7XV4
[18:20] <tomreyn> baldpope: try editing your apt repositories to use httpS URLs.
[18:42] <devrim_> selam
[18:57] <SmirnoffVodka> ubuntu was my first linux
[18:57] <SmirnoffVodka> good learner distro
[18:57] <SmirnoffVodka> or at least used to be
[19:02] <pavlos> baldpope: verify ... https://termbin.com/qre50
[19:16] <pavlos> baldpope: sudo apt clean; sudo apt update
[19:17] <Smashcat> Just tried my annual test install of Linux on spare old gaming PC to see if the desktop has improved. Installed Ubuntu, booted ok. Updated, just black screen LOL! Reinstalling Windows. We'll see if it's working next year :)
[19:28] <solsTiCe_> hi. I get no ui/window showing up when I run element-desktop (the snap version). any idea what is wrong? and how to fix that?
[19:29] <solsTiCe_> using wayland
[22:38] <imi> is there a snapd update log that I can examine?
[22:44] <AngryTom> How can I show all running apps on Unity like on Gnome or Mission Control on macOS?


[01:05] <skaet> have started populating the ISO tester now.
[01:05] <skaet> ubuntu desktop, alternate 20111007 posted
[01:05] <skaet> wubi posted
[01:05] <skaet> kubuntu alternate 20111007 posted
[01:06] <skaet> xubuntu alternate 20111007 posted
[01:56] <skaet> kubuntu desktop 20111007 posted
[02:01] <skaet> lubuntu alternate 20111007 posted
[02:01] <skaet> ubuntu-studio 20111007 posted
[02:13] <skaet> xubuntu desktop 20111007 posted
[02:13] <skaet> mythbuntu desktop 20111007 posted
[03:40] <skaet> ubuntu server 20111007 posted ( with known 'xen-linux-system' has no installation candidate)
[03:46] <skaet> lubuntu desktop 20111007 posted
[03:47] <skaet> ubuntu dvd 20111007 posted
[03:47] <skaet> kubuntu dvd 20111007 posted
[04:30] <skaet> edubuntu dvd 20111007 posted
[08:35] <danfrincu> hello, anyone has knowledge of running automated unit tests with mago?
[08:36] <danfrincu> I'm running into an NameError: name 'skip' is not defined when running ./bin/mago -a gcalctool
[08:36] <danfrincu> any pointers or where to look next would be appreciated
[09:49] <danfrincu> issue was due to -a
[09:49] <danfrincu> removed it and test worked
[12:05] <aendruk> Is this where I can get help with the System Testing utility?
[12:09] <ara> aendruk, what kind of help do you need?
[12:11] <aendruk> The utility doesn't appear to be able to make any kind of network connection. The HTTP connection test fails, and it's unable to submit my test report to Launchpad.
[12:16] <ara> aendruk, are you connected with wireless or ethernet?
[12:18] <aendruk> I'm on a wireless connection. The utility is on the step named "wireless/wireless_connection", and when I click "Test Again" it displays the message "HTTP connection: Failed".
[12:18] <ara> aendruk, and while doing that test, do you have connection to the internet? can you browse the web
[12:19] <ara> aendruk, I need to step out now for about half an hour, I will get back to you
[12:19] <ara> brendand might be able to help as well
[12:19] <aendruk> Alright, thanks for your help.
[12:21] <brendand> aundrek - can you try going into /usr/share/checkbox/scripts and running './network_check'
[12:23] <aendruk> That displays "HTTP connection: Success".
[12:26] <brendand> aendruk - can you try deleting ~/.cache/checkbox and running System Testing again?
[12:32] <aendruk> That didn't seem to affect it. I still get "Failed" within the utility and "Success" when running the script.
[12:33] <brendand> aendruk - you don't have any kind of firewall setup do you?
[12:52] <aendruk> I do have UFW enabled, but there are no blocked connections in its log. Wireshark detects HTTP connections to <IP_ADDRESS> when I run the script, and only DNS lookups for my local IP address when I click the Test Again button.
[12:56] <brendand> aendruk - the only difference there might be between running the script in System Testing an running it on its own is the name of the process it came from, i guess
[12:57] <brendand> aendruk - is wireshark telling you what process the requests are coming from?
[12:57] <aendruk> It doesn't capture that kind of information.
[13:07] <brendand> aendruk - what about networking/internet? that uses a different script. does it pass?
[13:13] <aendruk> That passes.
[13:17] <brendand> aendruk - ok. but that's just pinging the gateway (probably your router)
[13:17]  * brendand scratches head
[13:18] <brendand> aendruk - if it's possible/safe can you take UFW down and try again?
[13:19] <aendruk> I did try that, and it still didn't help.
[13:20] <brendand> aendruk - ok. thanks
[13:22] <aendruk> I've got to take off for a few minutes, but I'll keep working on this when I get back. Now that I know a little more about how the test is being run this is the kind of problem I should be able to figure out on my own.
[13:23] <aendruk> Thanks for your help.
[13:27] <brendand> aendruk - no problem
[16:12] <nagappan> cr3, jibel, anybody noticing this ? I upgrade yesterday my Ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10, my X is not coming up and so the networking as well, currently I changed the /etc/network/interfaces to have eth0 entry and updating the package
[16:21] <nagappan> I think, my packages weren't upgraded properly due to ruby package conflict
[16:21] <nagappan> I had ruby 1.8 and 1.9.1
[16:21] <nagappan> now after removing it, more packages are being upgraded
[16:36] <nagappan> it keeps waiting for my network to come up
[16:36] <nagappan> waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration
[17:24] <nagappan> my Ubuntu 11.10 is completely unusable :-( I need my X :-D
[17:24] <nagappan> I have NVidia driver installed
[17:24] <nagappan> it pops up with the NVidia logo
[17:24] <nagappan> and everything blank after that
[17:24]  * nagappan checking Xorg.0.log
[17:27] <nagappan> my Xorg.0.log looks okay, http://pastebin.com/06NxYvZm
[17:30] <nagappan> If I remove my xorg.conf, I get nv module not found
[17:30] <nagappan> I copied xorg.conf from previous installation
[17:30] <nagappan> as the upgrade doesn't have any such file
[17:38] <nagappan> when I login through console, I always get 'System restart required', even though I rebooted the system more than 5 times now !
[18:42] <nagappan> unable to connect system bus: Failed to connect to socket...
[19:03] <skaet> jibel,  posted ubuntu daily-live with compiz/lightdm fix.  (20111007.1)
[19:48] <skaet> ubuntu, kubuntu arm pre-installed images posted
[19:56] <jibel> skaet, ack, syncing
[19:57] <skaet> jibel,  alternate should be available shortly, DVD started.
[20:06] <skaet> ubuntu alternate 20111007.1 posted
[20:47] <skaet> jibel, ubuntu dvd 20111007.1 posted
[21:28] <skaet> jibel wubi 20111007.1 posted