[00:03] <Monotoko> julian_c, what would 775 be in umask form?
[00:04] <julian_c> 002
[00:04] <Monotoko> thanks!
[00:04] <julian_c> That would make directories 775, and files 664.
[00:05] <Monotoko> hmm... '-U <umask for files>:<umask for dirs>'
[00:05] <julian_c> Just saw that pure-ftpd does different masks for files and directories.
[00:05] <Monotoko> aye just seen :P
[00:05] <julian_c> So it would be '-U 133:022'
[00:06] <julian_c> Oops... 113:002
[00:07] <Monotoko> excellent! That will mean both my apache user and the virtual user can create and modify files and directries, yes?
[00:08] <julian_c> Correct.
[00:09] <Monotoko> thank you julian_c, you've been an amazing help :)
[00:09] <julian_c> You're welcome.
[00:10] <julian_c> You're setting up both virtual users and regular system users?
[00:11] <Monotoko> I think I'm going to go with just virtual unless a user requests a system user account... I'm going to shut off access to regular users
[00:11] <Monotoko> just feels a bit more secure that way
[00:11] <Monotoko> and means I don't need to keep adding apache to groups
[00:12] <julian_c> Hopefully, all of this will work just fine with virtual users.
[00:13] <Monotoko> well, my virtual users use UID & GID 2010... they are all under the "ftpuser" system account
[00:14] <Monotoko> so it should be fine
[00:20] <Monotoko> julian_c, sorry to bother you again... but any ideas how to run it with command-line options if I start it using "/etc/init.d/pure-ftp-mysql start"
[00:22] <ermo> How do I interpret the Ubuntu kernel versions? And what do I do if I'd like to get the latest patches to the 3.0 kernel (i.e. 3.0.9) but with the ubuntu patchset/configuration?
[00:22] <julian_c> I'd look in the /etc/default directory for a config file that deals with pure-ftpd.
[00:24] <Monotoko> there's an option for standalone or initd.... I've changed it to standalone, how do I start it?
[00:24] <ermo> nevermind, asking in #ubuntu-kernel instead :)
[00:25] <julian_c> init.d or xinet.d?
[00:28] <julian_c> Ah... found it. Yes... definitely go standalone. The init script will start up on its own upon (re)boot.
[00:29] <Monotoko> julian_c, hmmm... standalone is making it do this: root@dragon:/etc/default# /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql start
[00:29] <Monotoko> Starting ftp server: Running: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-mysql -l mysql:/etc/pure-ftpd/db/mysql.conf -l pam -u 1000 -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -E -A -j -8 UTF-8 -B
[00:29] <Monotoko> how do I change what it's running?
[00:29] <Monotoko> so I can add my umask?
[00:30] <Monotoko> there doesn't seem to be anything in /etc/default apart from one file to do with it, pure-ftpd-common with a few options in it
[00:36] <julian_c> You should also have a '/etc/pure-ftpd/conf' directory.
[00:36] <Monotoko> I do... but there's loads of files in here that just have "yes" or "no" in them
[00:38] <julian_c> If it's not already in that directory, create the file '/etc/pre-ftpd/conf/Umask' with the contents "133 022".
[00:38] <julian_c> Then, restart the service. The init script should source the new file, along with the other files in that directory.
[00:39] <Monotoko> julian_c, it worked! :D
[00:40] <julian_c> Glad to see that.
[00:40] <Monotoko> thank you ^^ for future ref... where did you find that info?
[00:40] <julian_c> I went to packages.ubuntu.com to figure out where all the config files were. Other than that, a bit of Googling.
[00:44] <julian_c> I recommend the following search term in Google: "/etc/pure-ftpd/conf" umask
[00:45] <julian_c> One of the results at the top is a good HOWTO for Debian/Ubuntu that shows more config examples.
[00:47] <Monotoko> julian_c, thank you.. I'm surprised there isn't one place with them all on o.o
[00:50] <Monotoko> good night all!
[00:50] <julian_c> Bye.
[01:19] <kklimonda> hmm, should chsh and chfn work with ldap?
[01:21] <julian_c> kklimonda: I'd look for LDAP-aware versions of those applications.
[01:22] <julian_c> (if they exist)
[01:23] <kklimonda> heh, at least I'm not going to waste another hour wondering what's wrong with my setup that it doesn't work ;)
[01:25] <julian_c> Perhaps look at the "libuser" package...
[01:56] <ceej> hey, can anyone help me with https://gist.github.com/1a816ceba7b040e3549c
[02:05] <CarlFK> how do I set good ol 80x25 mode?
[02:06] <CarlFK> and see the grub menu
[02:22] <kklimonda> ceej: the message is rather self explanatory. You have probably had mysql 5.5+ installed and now trying to do a de facto downgrade to 5.1 - if that's really what you want to do you have to remove mentioned files and try again.
[02:24] <ceej> kklimonda: I tried removing /var/lib/mysql/debian-*.flag with no luck
[02:25] <kklimonda> ceej: what does ls /var/lib/mysql/debian-*.flag say?
[02:25] <kklimonda> CarlFK: you can get grub menu by editing /etc/default/grub
[02:26] <CarlFK> kklimonda: i have lost track of how many times I have edited it, and then sudo grub-mkconfig && sudo reboot
[02:26] <CarlFK> and yet no menu.
[02:26] <CarlFK> GRUB_TERMINAL=console lies.
[02:28] <kklimonda> it should be enough to comment out GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and leave GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
[02:29] <kklimonda> as for getting old console - maybe some module loads and sets up a framebuffer? but really, if it's not slow then why bother getting back in time ;)
[02:30] <CarlFK> once it boots, I get a blank screen. hit alt-f1 to get tty1.  but it is in some small font that is hard to read
[02:32] <kklimonda> try booting with nomodeset
[02:33] <CarlFK> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset" ?
[02:34] <kklimonda> I'd just edit entry directly in grub and boot it
[02:34] <kklimonda> and if it works add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[02:36] <kklimonda> on the other hand adding it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX would also change recovery entry so it may be a better place
[02:36] <CarlFK> well, getting it to work is a good first step
[02:36] <CarlFK> I have been doing: sudo grub-mkconfig && sudo reboot
[02:37] <CarlFK> but looking at /etc/default/grub I am wondering if my edits are having any effect
[02:38] <kklimonda> I always use update-grub
[02:39] <kklimonda> but grub-mkconfig seems to source /etc/default/grub so it should also work
[02:40] <CarlFK> someting doesn't
[02:40] <kklimonda> (which makes sense given that update-grub is just a thin wrapper over grub-mkconfig)
[02:40] <Dulcin> Is anyone familiar with the sender id framework? I keep getting temperror results from hotmail, while it does pass in other checks. I've registered my spf record with microsoft over a week ago as well and still the same error.
[02:40] <CarlFK> update-grub got me my 80x25 linux console back
[02:41] <Dulcin> i've googled my ass off, but can only find people with similar problems and no solutions
[02:42] <CarlFK> and now I have a grub menu
[02:42] <CarlFK> and it beeped too.
[06:15] <Zanzacar> I want to allow a user to read the apache logs and the only way I know how is to log in as root which isnt right
[06:17] <qman__> two options
[06:17] <qman__> one, set apache to log to a file the user can read for the sites desired
[06:17] <qman__> two, set up sudoers to allow that user to sudo for just that command
[06:19] <Zanzacar> thats what I have been doing is sudo ./scritp etc etc etc but that give read write access which isnt good since its I am not a great programmer and could mess things up
[06:22] <Zanzacar> There is a group called apache how can I tell what it has access it?
[06:23] <qman__> apache runs as www-data, however that's a bad plan as www-data has access to all the files apache does
[06:23] <qman__> you don't grant general sudo permission for everything, you narrow it to the specific command
[06:23] <qman__> i.e., create a script which does exactly what you want the user to do, then grant the user sudo permission only to run that script
[06:27] <Zanzacar> I guess that works, I just thought that it wouldnt be good to all the script to read and write instead of ust read.
[06:28] <Zanzacar> the script is in python and I open the files as read only so I guess it isnt that harmful
[06:29] <qman__> you make it so the user does not have the ability to write to the script
[06:29] <qman__> then, the user can run the script as root, and it will always do what you expect
[06:30] <qman__> there are other ways to do it, but this is the simplest as it does not require modifying any of the existing things
[06:30] <qman__> it just adds a new script, and adds a new permission
[06:32] <Zanzacar> so how do I do that? change chmod of the script? or just run it with sudo?
[06:33] <qman__> just change the permissions on the script so the user in question only has read and execute, not write
[06:33] <qman__> and then give that user permission to run that script as root in sudoers
[06:34] <Zanzacar> gotcha that makes since
[06:34] <Zanzacar> cool that is the way I have it setup already :)
[06:37] <qman__> from there, the only real vector of attack would be exploiting your script into running arbitrary code
[06:37] <qman__> but as long as you keep it fairly simple that should not be an issue
[06:37] <Zanzacar> well I am the only one how has a login, and all it does is data mine information for the access logs
[06:39] <Zanzacar> its for www.engineeringmaps.com and if you search for something I can see what your IP is, the date, and the search value
[07:05] <tjaalton> kklimonda: hey, I can do it on monday. is it only a rebuild that's needed or a new upstream version?
[07:42] <jehoshua02> I'm creating my first self-signed cert. How is the passphrase associated with the key pair used for?
[07:43] <jehoshua02> Does it have to be provided for every https connection?
[07:47] <jehoshua02> No, once when starting the service.
[08:06] <CppIsWeird> i just plugged in an SSD drive into my server box. i see the drive displayed during boot, however, fdisk -l does not list the disk.
[08:57] <EMKO> does ubuntu have mysql 5.5?
[09:19] <RoyK> EMKO: no, but there might be packages out there somewhere
[09:21] <RoyK> EMKO: dunno if 5.5 is scheduled for precise - file a bug...
[09:21] <RoyK> !bug
[09:24] <RoyK> EMKO: seems there's  talk about it already in bug #690925
[09:25] <EMKO> oh
[09:26] <EMKO> so when it comes out it will be for 12.04 ?
[09:26] <RoyK> looks like it
[09:27] <RoyK> what's so new and shiny in 5.5, btw?
[09:27] <EMKO> i dont know but im using it for some time on windows
[09:27]  * RoyK tends to stick to postgresql unless he really has to use toys like mysql for production
[09:28] <EMKO> i think 5.5 has been out since 2010
[09:34] <RoyK> yeah, saw that, but what's new in it?
[09:35] <RoyK> scales better, it seems
[09:35] <RoyK> I'd still use psql over mysql any day if I could choose...
[09:43] <RoyK> but then, systems like wordpress that are tied head and tail to mysql are ugly and can't be easily supported with anything else...
[09:44] <RoyK> whoever hardcodes anything to a particular DBMS these days must be either very lazy, must like that particular DBMS very much, or be outright stupid.....
[09:45] <EMKO> i think im just gona use 5.1 untill ubuntu gets 5.5 hopefully it will be easy to upgrade
[09:48] <EMKO> so if its for 12.04 only will i have to reinstall ubuntu or can i upgrade 11.10 to 12.04 from 11.10
[09:56] <RoyK> just do-release-upgrade
[09:56] <RoyK> EMKO: also, if it's a server you're installing, I'd recommend using the latest LTS release, 10.04
[09:56] <RoyK> things are far better tested there than in 11.10
[09:56] <EMKO> oh
[09:56] <RoyK> and 10.04 will upgrade to 12.04 directly when the latter is released (since that'll be an LTS as well)
[09:57] <RoyK> I only use LTS releases for servers - for good reason
[09:58] <EMKO> so 11.10 will update to 12.04 with that command when its out? i realy dont want to reinstall it took me a lot of time to figure out how to install and configure stuff
[09:58] <RoyK> you won't have to reinstall
[09:59] <EMKO> hows that? i can go from 11.10 to 10.04
[09:59] <RoyK> and if you're already on 11.10 and have spent some time tuning the system, just use it on that release
[09:59] <RoyK> you can't downgrade
[09:59] <EMKO> oh ok then i will wait for 12.04 upgrade to that and stick with it untill next LTS
[10:01] <RoyK> EMKO: by default, upgrading to an LTS will set Prompt=lts in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, so after upgrading to 12.04LTS a do-release-upgrade won't do much unless you change prompt to 'normal'
[10:02] <EMKO> promt=lts make it only upgrade to lts?
[10:02] <RoyK> yes
[10:03] <RoyK> so once on 12.04, and prompt=lts, it won't do a release upgrade until 14.04 comes around
[10:03] <EMKO> well then i will stay with that so i only upgrade to lts
[10:03] <RoyK> yes
[10:03] <RoyK> lts is fairly safe
[11:10] <dassouki> upgrading my distro from 10.4 to 11.4 is a bit of a challenge, after I did the apt-get update, do-release-upgrade, most packages were downloaded and installed. The install claims it was successful except for a few packages that it couldn't install
[11:10] <dassouki> when I do cat /etc/release it still says i'm on 10.4 and i can't apt-get anything although i tried autoremove -f install and autoclean but it seems to be stuck on two othree packages
[11:11] <dassouki> slapd, libgdal (gis library), and python-apt
[11:37] <RoyK> dassouki: remove the packages and reinstall them
[11:38] <RoyK> dassouki: your distro will be on 10.10 after the initial do-release-upgrade, and you'll need to re-run it to get to 11.04 and then again to get to 11.10
[11:56] <dassouki> ok
[11:57] <dassouki> RoyK: everytime I try to uninstall any of the packages it lists 20 or so packages to be removed and some of htem are core
[12:16] <RoyK> ouch
[12:16] <RoyK> dassouki: can you pastebin the output from "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[12:17] <RoyK> or "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:19] <dassouki> RoyK: http://pastebin.com/Da1NUpdT
[12:23] <RoyK> and apt-get install -f ?
[12:25] <dassouki> the same excpet it has failed for correcting dependencies and this E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[12:26] <RoyK> what about dpkg --configure -a ?
[12:30]  * RoyK bbl
[12:43] <dassouki> RoyK: ok ping me when you're back
[12:54] <jehoshua02> I have two domain names pointing at my public ip address, but my server is serving the same thing for both of them.
[12:55] <jehoshua02> I'd like only the specific domain names configured to be served and the rest given a 404 or something, but I am lost as to how to do it.
[12:57] <dassouki> jehoshua02: have you looked at LAMP tutorials or apache or nginx tutorials?
[12:58] <jehoshua02> I've must have been googling the wrong stuff.
[13:00] <kklimonda> dassouki: you either have a mess in your sources.list, or overzealous pinning rules
[13:02] <kklimonda> dassouki: for example you somehow ended up with part of openldap from precise (2.4.25-3ubuntu3 is a precise version)
[13:03] <kklimonda> but the rest is still from lucid
[13:03] <jehoshua02> Every where I look, I don't find anything about this particular issue.
[13:06] <jehoshua02> I'd like the default vhost to just 404 error or something but I can't find what I'm looking for.
[13:11] <RoyK> dassouki: I realy don't know - sorry...
[14:07] <dassouki> RoyK: thanks!
[14:08] <dassouki> kklimonda: I see that. I'll probably look at this on Tuesday then.
[14:11] <virusuy> howdy
[14:13] <RoyK> ehlo
[14:18] <patdk-lap> heh
[14:41] <CarlFK> carl@g2a:~$ sudo mcelog ; mcelog: warning: 16 bytes ignored in each record ;mcelog: consider an update
[14:41] <CarlFK> what's that mean?  (me goes to the google now...
[14:48] <CarlFK> swell, the only relevant hit is just someone else getting the same message:  http://pastebin.com/kSNgvc6c
[14:48] <CarlFK> everyone else gets  mcelog: warning:<PHONE_NUMBER>3709551600 bytes ignored in each record
[14:55] <RoyK> lol
[14:56] <jMCg> That's quite a lot of bytes.
[14:57] <jMCg> 15 peta bytes?
[14:57] <RoyK> jMCg: or 16 exabytes...
[15:00] <RoyK> (16*1024^6)-16 to be precise :þ
[15:06] <dassouki> 9is there a tool to automatically clean my sources.list ?
[15:06] <CarlFK> undocumented feature: mcelog --version; mcelog 1.0pre
[15:06] <CarlFK> dassouki: how clean? :)
[15:06] <dassouki> Javex clean
[15:08] <CarlFK> # slcomp.py - sources.list compactor; # reads in /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.d/* files; # consolidates redundancies,
[15:08] <CarlFK> like that?
[15:11] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.de/ACEc0/  slcomp.py - sources.list compactor
[15:48] <dassouki> CarlFK: thanks it was more that to remove old repos from old distros and drop the ones thta don't exist no more
[15:49] <CarlFK> echo "# clean!" > /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[15:50] <CarlFK> huh, looks like I get errors at 299.988026 after boot  http://dpaste.de/EJuE4/
[15:50] <CarlFK> +/- something probably based on .. quoting from man mcelog:
[15:51] <CarlFK>  Possible  causes can be cosmic radiation, instable power supplies, cooling        problems, broken hardware, or bad luck.
[15:52] <CarlFK> should add "CERN experiments"  to the list
[17:33] <aaronbieber> Can someone help me out… Evidently karmic koala's sources are no longer on the archive site, and I'd like to upgrade, but since I can't download any packages I'm not sure how to get the update package…?
[17:34] <aaronbieber> I'm on 9.10 and totally missed the news that supported ended in April, suddenly all of my automatic updates are throwing 404s because the karmic directory is gone from archive.ubuntu.com.
[17:35] <aaronbieber> I popped in here because most of the online docs are for the desktop version and use the X11 programs, but this is a server, I have SSH access only.
[17:36] <jMCg> O_o
[17:36] <jMCg> aaronbieber: update.. what, exactly?
[17:36] <aaronbieber> I mean I could go ahead and upgrade to the latest distribution if karmic packages will no longer be released.
[17:36] <CarlFK> aaronbieber: there is no supported path from there..
[17:36] <aaronbieber> So I'm screwed :(
[17:37] <CarlFK> aaronbieber: make a 2nd backup, wipe the drive, install OS, restore data, muck with configs.
[17:37] <Myrtti> of course could try to get old-releases, upgrade to lucid
[17:37] <Myrtti> with caveats
[17:38] <aaronbieber> Ugghhh. It's mostly a straightforward LAMP stack and I would expect that stuff to be OK but I have some wacky stuff floating around in there. Probably best to start from scratch.
[17:38] <CarlFK> yep
[17:39] <aaronbieber> Thanks!
[17:58] <tarvid> want to load 11.10-server-i386 by usb stick
[17:58] <tarvid> usb-creator-gtk created an empty file system
[17:58] <tarvid> trying to run again but I can't get rid of the 2.0GB parition
[18:02] <CarlFK> tarvid: I think you can just dd the .iso onto the stick
[18:03] <tarvid> that is not what http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download says
[18:03] <tarvid> But I like it
[18:04] <tarvid> Even though it lacks safeguards
[18:04] <CarlFK> "You will need to create a CD or USB stick to install Ubuntu"
[18:05] <CarlFK> what's a CD made out of...
[18:08] <tarvid> maxell 2GB stick now seems hosed - reports 2mb
[18:10] <CarlFK> tarvid: don't worry abuot that, see if it boots
[18:18] <CarlFK> ddns fun...  20 12:02:02 g2a dhcpd: Unable to add forward map from pc8.private to <IP_ADDRESS>: timed out
[18:18] <CarlFK> timed out?
[18:21] <tarvid> doesn't boot, gparted does not see the volume
[18:21] <CarlFK> paste the dd command
[18:22] <tarvid> tarvid@geewiz:~/Desktop$ sudo dd if=ubuntu-11.10-server-i386.iso of=/dev/sfc
[18:22] <tarvid> ah that's not righjt
[18:22] <CarlFK> sf?
[18:23] <tarvid> tarvid@geewiz:~/Desktop$ sudo dd if=ubuntu-11.10-server-i386.iso of=/dev/sdc
[18:23] <tarvid> dd: writing to `/dev/sdc': No space left on device
[18:23] <tarvid> 4097+0 records in
[18:23] <tarvid> 4096+0 records out
[18:23] <tarvid> 2097152 bytes (2.1 MB) copied, 1.53778 s, 1.4 MB/s
[18:23] <tarvid> the usb stick is not looking good
[18:23] <CarlFK> weird.
[18:23] <tarvid> yes
[18:23] <CarlFK> just a sec.. google time...
[18:27] <dsirijus> how come 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' doesn't ask me which locales do i want to add/remove? the fancy cli dialogs?
[18:33] <CarlFK> tarvid: try cat instead of dd - http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/Debian_USB_install_from_hybrid_iso/
[18:36] <CarlFK> tarvid: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-11-10-Will-Be-Distributed-As-Hybrid-CD-USB-images-206765.shtml
[18:36] <CarlFK> so it should work
[18:38] <tarvid> root@geewiz:/home/tarvid/Desktop# cat ubuntu-11.10-server-i386.iso >/dev/sdc
[18:38] <tarvid> cat: write error: No space left on device
[18:38] <Daviey> eek, sorry for the spam
[18:38] <tarvid> I think the USB stick is now hosed
[18:40] <CarlFK> tarvid: sudo -s
[18:41] <CarlFK> tarvid: or figure out how to use sudo and redirection.. which makes me edgy. so I just become root.  don't tell anyone
[18:41] <tarvid> tarvid@geewiz:~/Desktop$ sudo -s cat ubuntu-11.10-server-i386.iso > /dev/sdc
[18:41] <tarvid> bash: /dev/sdc: Permission denied
[18:41] <CarlFK> tarvid: you can write whatever bytes you want to memory, it won't break the memory.
[18:42] <CarlFK> no...  just suto -s
[18:42] <CarlFK> er, sudo -s
[18:42] <CarlFK> and you shoun't be doing anything sudo that you get from IRC without looking into what it dose :)
[18:42] <tarvid> cat: write error: No space left on device
[18:43] <dsirijus> hey, where is console-data?
[18:43] <dsirijus> no package found, reports apt-get
[18:44] <CarlFK> apt-cache policy console-data; 2:1.10-9 0         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/universe i386 Packages
[18:45] <dsirijus> CarlFK: ?
[18:45] <CarlFK> that's where it is?
[18:45] <qman__> CarlFK, tarvid: cat ubuntu-11.10-server-i386.iso | sudo tee /dev/sdc
[18:46] <tarvid> won't that dump 712MB of gibberish to the screen
[18:46] <qman__> no, that is functionally the same as using >
[18:46] <qman__> that's just how you do it with sudo, instead of using a root terminal
[18:46] <lifeless> no its not
[18:47] <lifeless>        tee - read from standard input and write to standard output and files
[18:47] <lifeless> ...
[18:47] <lifeless>        Copy standard input to each FILE, and also to standard output.
[18:47] <CarlFK> fight fight!
[18:47] <lifeless> cat ubuntu-11.10-server-i386.iso | sudo dd of=/dev/sdc bs=65536
[18:47] <dsirijus> CarlFK: i found it here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/console-data
[18:47] <dsirijus> and i use 64 bit system
[18:47] <dsirijus> and i don't have a clue how to get it if it doesn't come up with apt-get install
[18:48] <tarvid> the problem is the geometry is now hosed
[18:48] <qman__> fdisk
[18:49] <tarvid> fdisk -i /dev/sdc never returns
[18:49] <dsirijus> i'm basically having problem with putty on win 7 not displaying some characters properly on remote ubuntu 11.04 server
[18:49] <qman__> if it's being difficult, zero then fdisk
[18:49] <qman__> if that doesn't work, the hardware's probably bad
[18:49] <dsirijus> so, i just presume console-data will help me
[18:49] <CarlFK> I don't think there is a need for fdisk
[18:49] <tarvid> -i no longer works in fdisk
[18:49] <qman__> I don't know what -i does
[18:49] <CarlFK> much like not needing to fdisk a blank cd
[18:50] <tarvid> how do I get/set the geometry?
[18:50] <qman__> sdc is a CD device?
[18:50] <tarvid> maxell USB stick
[18:51] <qman__> flash drives (can) have partitions just like hard drives
[18:51] <qman__> and fdisk should work normally, but according to the manual, -i is not an fdisk option
[18:51] <tarvid> fdisk will let me set the geometry, now I have to guess what a 2GB stick should look like
[18:51] <CarlFK> qman__: and you can clone 2 drives without using fdisk on the target
[18:51] <qman__> so I don't know what you are trying to use it to do
[18:52] <tarvid> trying to recover from usb-creator-gtk destroying the geometry in my usb memory stick
[18:52] <CarlFK> the goal is to get the first byte of ubuntu-11.10-server-i386.iso written to the first byte of the usb stick.. repeat...
[18:53] <CarlFK> have you given up trying to boot from the usb stick?
[18:53] <tarvid> the usb stick is basically unwriteable beyond 2MB
[18:54] <qman__> Disk /dev/sdc: 2003 MB,<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[18:54] <qman__> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 243 cylinders
[18:54] <qman__> that's a 2GB flash drive I have
[18:55] <tarvid> I'll try it
[18:55] <qman__> since geometry is largely for compatibility reasons anymore, setting yours the same should work
[18:55] <CarlFK> qman__: why bother setting it?
[18:56] <qman__> if the geometry is wrong, weird things can happen
[18:56] <qman__> my point is, almost all new drives have the same geometry settings
[18:56] <qman__> because they're not actually relevant on a hardware level
[18:57] <qman__> but when set wrong, you can get miscommunication and some strange results
[18:57] <CarlFK> huh
[18:58] <CarlFK> im still skeptical it is relevant to this problem
[18:58] <qman__> odds are the flash drive is toasted
[18:58] <qman__> but it's worth a try
[18:59] <tarvid> I'm going to exchange it
[18:59] <tarvid> This is silly
[18:59] <qman__> I recently ran into geometry issues when I set up my file server, some of the drives had wrong geometry and so the available space was wrong
[19:00] <tarvid> q
[19:06] <EMKO> what does failed length mean in ab
[19:09] <tarvid> back with a fresh sticdk showing Public and mac and xp directories
[19:09] <tarvid> how should I try writing ubuntu to this stick
[19:10] <dsirijus> ok, i've isolated my problem to following - i cannot input foreign characters in putty but i can paste them in...
[19:11] <tarvid> or do I just run the Ubuntu Startup Disk Creator program again
[19:15] <dsirijus> anyone here actually using putty to administer server from windows?
[19:18] <tarvid> only when I absolutely have to
[19:18] <EMKO> whats wrong with putty
[19:19] <tarvid> when I have to run windows I do it in a VM with Virtualbox
[19:19] <tarvid> Putty is just as wonderful as Windows
[19:21] <tarvid> But I have to admit Unity makes XP look good
[19:23] <tarvid> in which package do I report the Startup Disk Creator Bug?
[19:24] <tarvid> Ah, I'll bet I lost the Authenticate window the first time
[19:26] <tarvid> And I'll let the Upgrade volume detected window hang
[19:28] <qman__> I've used the startup disk creator several times with success
[19:30] <jelly-home> dsirijus: I'd suggest using UTF-8 translation on putty, and using some utf8 locale on the remote machine.  "locale -a" will give a list of currently enabled locales.
[19:30] <dsirijus> jelly-home: i'm using en-US.UTF-8 locale on server, and UTF-8 translation on putty
[19:31] <jelly-home> dsirijus: ok, and does locale -a show something like "en_US.utf8" ?
[19:31] <dsirijus> jelly-home: yes
[19:31] <jelly-home> dsirijus: then en_US.UTF-8 (note the third character is an underscore) ought to work
[19:32] <dsirijus> jelly-home: i guess it doesn't :(
[19:32] <jelly-home> dsirijus: how exactly does it fail?
[19:33] <dsirijus> i cannot input ćčđ, and can žš
[19:33] <dsirijus> and i can paste in any
[19:34] <jelly-home> dsirijus: interesting choice of characters.  There is a #ubuntu-hr channel as well.
[19:34] <EMKO> what else is there for windows other then putty?
[19:35] <tarvid> it is downhill from putty
[19:35] <EMKO> oh
[19:35] <dsirijus> should i jump to #ubuntu-hr then?
[19:35] <tarvid> I like jelly-home's suggestion on URF-8
[19:35] <tarvid> UTF
[19:35] <jelly-home> dsirijus: if it's easier for you to explain the issue in your native language, sure ;-)
[19:36] <dsirijus> jelly-home: how come you know for croatian chars?
[19:36] <jelly-home> dsirijus: /whois jelly-home
[19:36] <EMKO> im croatian
[19:36] <dsirijus> great then :)
[19:37] <dsirijus> i had Dželalija as my high-school physics teacher
[19:37] <dsirijus> she was awesome
[19:37] <jelly-home> EMKO: well you could join the local channel then, too, if you wished
[19:37] <dsirijus> ok, i'm moving to -hr then
[19:37] <EMKO> naa more people here
[19:38] <jelly-home> dsirijus: is there usage of screen involved as well?
[19:38] <dsirijus> no, but is planned
[20:05] <jelly-home> EMKO: you can be in more than one channel at the same time.  A novel approach!
[20:28] <three18ti> how do I reset an orchestra login?  I reset the cobbler login, but when I try to login through http://example.com/cobbler_web with my newly reset username/password it returns me to the login screen.
[20:30] <three18ti> this is a fresh install, so if I have to reinstall the meta-package I can...  but it seems like there should be a way to add/remove/modify user logins...
[20:32] <tarvid> Thanks CarlFK and everybody, the install is complete, have a hunch the grub install authorization message got lost in the desktop and the erase in startup disk creator hammeded the USB stick
[20:51] <RidDrib> Hello
[20:51] <RoyK> .... . .-.. .-.. ---
[20:52]  * jelly-home pipes RoyK to morse -d
[22:26] <three18ti> anyone using orchestra?
[22:37] <DanaG> Say, what happened to the "ASPEED" video driver in oneiric?
[22:38] <DanaG> It seems to be missing, or at least isn't a package.
[22:44] <lifeless> hallyn: hiya... another lxc glitch - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/892892
[23:34] <DanaG> hmm, installed lightdm, but no gnome or anything...
[23:36] <DanaG> !find xsessions
[23:37] <DanaG> hmm, that link doesn't work.
[23:38] <DanaG> !find /xsessions/
[23:39] <DanaG> !find /usr/share/xsessions


[03:09] <darkxst> anjuta does not like saucy too much ;(
[05:36] <Ponch0> Hello is anyone here?
[05:42] <ricotz> darkxst, hi
[05:42] <darkxst> hi
[05:42] <ricotz> thanks for uploading all the updates :)
[05:43] <darkxst> np :)
[05:43] <ricotz> although the gtksourceview3 packages needs an update and can be synced from debian, but it introduces a soname bump
[05:43] <darkxst> ricotz, I know, thats why I left it
[05:43] <ricotz> so it needs a real transition
[05:44] <ricotz> i think i will upload a modified package of the current one to loosen up the internal dep
[05:44] <ricotz> and upload 3.8.1 to staging
[05:46] <ricotz> darkxst, dont be afraid to use urgency=medium ;)
[05:46] <darkxst> ricotz, a lot of the updates are so minor, there really is no urgency
[05:47] <ricotz> right, but the leave the ppa in a broken state for some time ;)
[05:48] <darkxst> really? even when they don't break dependencies?
[05:49] <ricotz> darkxst, i mean if the amd64 is built and the i386 not, currently anjuta creates this problem
[05:50] <ricotz> caused by the inner dep on the common package
[05:50] <ricotz> which i am about to remove in the gtksourceview3 package
[05:50] <ricotz> to make a smoother transition possible
[05:50] <darkxst> anjuta is stuffed on saucy anyway
[05:51] <darkxst> I thought I did anjuta as medium though, oops
[05:52] <darkxst> there must be some db change or something, breaking it on saucy (symbol-db-engine fails to load properly, causing a segfault)
[05:53] <ricotz> i see, havent run it yet
[05:54] <darkxst> happens with 3.7.90 as well as 3.8.2, and building under saucy didnt help either
[06:02] <ricotz> darkxst, so you can't even start anjuta?
[06:03] <darkxst> nope, you can get a bit further with 'anjuta --no-session' but then it crashes when you create a project
[06:03] <ricotz> darkxst, seems to run fine here
[06:04] <ricotz> 3.7.90 raring build on saucy that is
[06:04] <darkxst> strange
[06:05] <darkxst> I get "libanjuta-symbol-db:ERROR:symbol-db-query.c:892:sdb_query_set_property: assertion failed: (priv->dbe_project != NULL)"
[06:13] <darkxst> ricotz, anyway if you rebuild anjuta, add this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/5673187/ (fixes compile error on saucy)
[06:19] <ricotz> darkxst, i see
[06:21] <ricotz> darkxst, i havent planned to upload to the saucy package yet
[06:21] <ricotz> darkxst, might be better to do a whole binary copy of the raring pockets first to avoid trouble
[06:22] <ricotz> darkxst, did you thought about/looked into backporting some systemd bits from saucy?
[06:25] <darkxst> ricotz, hmm no I havent.
[09:00] <phako> any chance of getting evince 3.8.2 soon?
[09:02] <phako> 3.7.92 has a rather annoying search focus bug
[10:33] <ricotz> phako, will be there soon
[10:33] <phako> good :)
[11:17] <ricotz> darkxst, btw, mutter should be sync with debian and use libmutter0b
[13:42] <darkxst> ricotz, sure can do that, although debian has some build deps that arent updated, should they be fixed first?
[13:42] <darkxst> (cogl, clutter)
[13:59] <ricotz> darkxst, yeah, i guess it would be nice to have them fixed in debian first, but it isnt pressing -- just saying it should be done with the saucy upload and push it gnome3-raring too
[14:05] <darkxst> ricotz, ok, will work something out, have to go now though
[14:05] <ricotz> darkxst, don't worry
[14:52] <mau> hi I have a question.
[14:59] <mau> I have a question.
[15:01] <mau> im using USB flashdrive to install ubuntu gnome along windows 7. Im stuck at the partitioning, help. how to partition?
[15:01] <Basil1x> Hullo.  Fresh install.  Been having sound issues with normal distro, so decided to try this one.  So far it seems to be working.
[15:01] <tyrog> Hi, what are the bugs currently present in gnome 3 staging ppa packages? the major ones. thanks
[15:01] <bersace_nss> mau: backup your windows, shrink it, and put Ubuntu in it
[15:01] <bersace_nss> mau this should be proposed automatically by the installer
[15:02] <mau> yeah it should be automatic but its not.
[15:02] <Allyoutoo> Hello, is there a know bug that skype has problems with pulseaudio on Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 64bits? I encountered this problem and I solved it by installingia32-libs-multiarch package
[15:03] <mau> after clicking install along windows, partitioning is the next one.
[15:03] <tyrog> are there still problems with gnome control center 3.8?
[15:04] <mau> it said that adjust the divider....
[15:04] <jbicha> tyrog: see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-gnome-3-8
[15:04] <mau> please help me. I wanna install ubuntu gnome today. :\
[15:05] <Basil1x> There should be an option to just delete linux partitions and reinstall.  I've had to do that several times, and doing it manually is a bit too much of a faff.
[15:06] <Basil1x> OK.  Sound just went.  Is there a way to fix this issue, or must I continue using Windows?
[15:08] <tyrog> jbicha: So gnome3 staging is not recommend currently?
[15:09] <Basil1x> 13.04 Toshiba L755 8GB/1TB i5 Bluetooth USB dongle and nothing else.  Sound works for a bit after reboot, then fails.  ALSA claims there's nothing wrong.  Is there a fix/is this a known issue?
[15:11] <Basil1x> Sound under W7 is fine, so I don't think the sound card itself is at fault.
[15:18] <Allyoutoo> Basil1x: so what programs have problem with sound? or all? 32bits or 64bits?
[15:19] <Basil1x> All.  It's the 64bit distro.
[15:19] <mau> hi im back! i cant install ubuntu gnome. stuck after install along windows. It needs allocated...divider something and hangs up.
[15:20] <Allyoutoo> mau: does the installer get stuck?
[15:20] <Basil1x> ALSA insists there is sound, but after a bit there is none.
[15:21] <Allyoutoo> Basil1x: so its a problem with pulseaudio i think
[15:21] <Basil1x> Lovely.  Is there a way to check/fix pulseaudio?
[15:21] <mau> Allyoutoo: it hangs when it needs allocated.....divider....
[15:21] <Allyoutoo> Basil1x:  try entering first "pulseaudio -k" and then "pulseaudio --start" it should restart your pulseaudio
[15:22] <mau> Allyoutoo: im using USB flash drive and linux live USB creator.
[15:22] <Allyoutoo> mau: you should check that the iso you downloaded is complete and doesn't contain errors, there might also be a menu item to check the installation image on the boot time (can't remember well).
[15:24] <mau> Allyoutoo: how to check? linux live USB creator said its integrity was checked and recognized as ubuntu 13.04
[15:25] <Allyoutoo> mau:  not sure how to check md5 on windows, you can probably find something with google to do that, also reflashing the iso to usb can help
[15:26] <Allyoutoo> I've even had problems where i had to change the whole usb stick for iso to install properly on it
[15:26] <Basil1x> No joy.  The commands seemed to work, but still no sound
[15:26] <Allyoutoo> Basil1x: if you open the sound control from pulseaudio what do you see? (listed audio devices etc?)
[15:27] <mau> Allyoutoo: whats reflashing? I downloaded the iso here.
[15:28] <Allyoutoo> mau: to run the linux usb maker again to put the iso on the usb
[15:28] <Basil1x> The control panel reports only: Speakers - Built-In Audio
[15:28] <mau> Allyoutoo: yes I did that already.
[15:29] <Allyoutoo> Basil1x: and you got only speakers (no headsets, audiocard etc?)
[15:29] <Basil1x> speakers and a microphone... both built in.
[15:29] <Basil1x> The mic still works, btw
[15:30] <Allyoutoo> hum
[15:30] <Basil1x> At least, the meter moves when I shout at it. :)
[15:30] <Allyoutoo> just to make sure, you have put the sound volume up? and made sure its not on "mute"
[15:30] <Basil1x> I have.
[15:31] <Allyoutoo> hum well, i'm afraid i have no idea what is wrong :S
[15:31] <Allyoutoo> what program you have the problem in?
[15:31] <Basil1x> Just fyi:  Kubuntu once reported that the sound device had 'disappeared'
[15:32] <Basil1x> All programmes are affected.  Videos, FireFawkes, the main system's alert sounds... all are gone.
[15:32] <Allyoutoo> hum and they work right after boot?
[15:33] <Basil1x> This is a completely fresh install.  all I've done is run the updater.  Yes, they do.
[15:33] <Allyoutoo> can you pastebin the output of dmesg?
[15:34] <Basil1x> Lemme see... sec
[15:39] <Basil1x> http://pastebin.com/EKVV6tW1  <--- output of DMESG
[15:46] <Basil1x> Backup laptop was once Primary laptop, but the sound failure forced me to buy a new Primary laptop.  Poor thing has sat, gathering dust, ever since. :(
[15:49] <Basil1x> I'd like to use it for more than the occasional email check when my main laptop is busy.
[16:15] <Basil1x> Could it be the fault of the firmware update?  perhaps something happened Windows can deal with that *nix can't?  Perhaps this is on purpose.
[16:33] <Basil1x> Hullo?
[16:39] <Basil1x> Why does this happen regardless which distro I use?  The sound fails, and when we get to exactly this point in the debugging, my helper disappears.
[16:39] <Basil1x> NVM...  Trying another distro.
[20:22] <dev__> I'm writing a bash script to launch a gnome-terminal and run 3 scripts on login but any -e param causes a "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal" error in gnome-terminal
[20:22] <dev__> Thoughts?


[04:34] <linocisco> hi all
[04:34] <linocisco> hi all
[04:34] <linocisco> http://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,10254.msg42643.html#msg42643
[04:35] <linocisco> i want to know how to share my office LAN network in main office to all remote offices
[05:14] <Gallomimia> linocisco: i should think that a single vpn "server" running in your main office with a 10.45.x ip and tunneling out  network packets on behalf of each branch office should work. the trick is getting the server to connect each of those networks via a vpn, and having all the routing tables work properly. routing always tripped me up with vpns and that's why i can't figure them out. so who knows if this will work or not.
[05:18] <roaksoax> spurkis: ping
[05:18] <roaksoax> ups
[05:18] <roaksoax> wrong person
[05:18] <roaksoax> SpamapS: ping
[05:19] <linocisco> Gallomimia, thanks for your tips. but I still dont get it how to configure though you told me idea. I also need step by step guide. I m a newbie
[05:20] <Gallomimia> linocisco: i would love to hear if you figure this stuff out. i need to know these things too. let me know via email at gmail
[05:21] <linocisco> Gallomimia, I am now just thinking to install ubuntu on a system unit with two network cards. one will be 10.45.x.x ip and the other will be 172.21.x.x. just routing server.
[05:22] <linocisco> Gallomimia, it that be ok?
[05:23] <Gallomimia> i think it should be possible with just one network card, but that might make configuration and routing tables easier
[05:23] <Gallomimia> i am a bumbling idiot when it comes to network setups like that. but i really want to learn
[05:24] <Gallomimia> do please let me know how it goes. i will sleep soon hopefully. also i didn't see the attachment you have on the forums. (there's no link to get it?)
[05:34] <ViBoS> hi
[05:37] <ViBoS> I have install moblock and torrentflux then i have open the port with ufw but i still can't join the peer :(
[05:38] <SpamapS> roaksoax: pong, wassup?
[05:38] <spurkis> random pings is th worst
[05:39] <ViBoS> Anyone wants to see my iptables in pv ?
[05:41] <SpamapS> linocisco: so all you really need to do is make your VPN server's default gateway the other side of the tunnel that is created, and add a route to your usual gateway for the tunnel's real internet endpoint.
[05:42] <roaksoax> SpampS da
[05:42] <roaksoax> we were wondering whether
[05:42] <SpamapS> you could ever be as awesome as me? Sorry no, I'm one of a kind
[05:42] <SpamapS> ;)
[05:42] <roaksoax> juju was upload to archives or not (the latest)
[05:42] <SpamapS> <-- poor self image
[05:42] <SpamapS> roaksoax: in fact, it was!
[05:43] <SpamapS> but it FTBFS .. lets see
[05:43] <roaksoax> k thanks
[05:43] <SpamapS> some test failed
[05:43] <linocisco> SpamapS, can you see my attachment?
[05:43] <SpamapS> retrying.. I think that is one of the ones that occasionally fails
[05:44] <SpamapS> should be identical packages between the PPA and precise
[05:44]  * SpamapS debdiffs
[05:47] <linocisco> SpamapS, I dont really quite understand what you mean. I am now gonna have lunch sooon. will let me talk to you after that.
[05:50] <SpamapS> roaksoax: built. should be in the archive within the hour
[05:50] <SpamapS> linocisco: I will need to go to sleep soon
[06:35] <linocisco> SpamapS, hi sleeping?
[06:52] <linocisco> http://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,10254.msg42643.html#msg42643
[06:52] <linocisco> i want to know how to share my office LAN network in main office to all remote offices
[07:07] <greppy> linocisco: openvpn should be able to do that, the howtos on their website should cover setup.
[07:08] <linocisco> greppy, do I need to check on openvpn website or ubuntu website? All I want to know is to how many phyisical server and how many network cards on each and what packages should be installed first
[07:09] <greppy> linocisco: http://openvpn.net/
[07:10] <greppy> linocisco: and you only "need" a single network connection in each system.
[07:11] <linocisco> greppy, to route between 10.45.x.x network and 172.x.x.x network in main office. should not I need a server with two NICs in main office?
[07:31] <_ruben> heh, bugger .. was wonder why the upgrade on my local repo mirror was taking so long, seems it's downloading from archive.ubuntu.com instead of localhost :p
[07:35] <_ruben> bah .. Exception during pm.DoInstall():  E:Could not perform immediate configuration on 'perl-modules'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[08:03] <Unkn0wn> Is someone up in here?
[08:04] <smw> no
[08:05] <linocisco> http://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,10254.msg42643.html#msg42643
[08:05] <linocisco> how can I share main office network to each remote offices?
[08:13] <Unkn0wn> smw: Bind9 is perfectly resolving all my subdomains, except the hostname (www.domain.com works, domain.com not)
[08:17] <twb> Unkn0wn: what is your domain?
[08:17] <Unkn0wn> twb: figured it out allready!
[08:17] <Unkn0wn> Needed to have mydomain.com IN A <IP>
[08:17] <twb> Missing an @ IN A in your zonefile?
[08:22] <Unkn0wn> twb: that was it
[08:22] <RoyK> anyone here knowledgeable with gddrescue? This looks rather slow, even for a drive attached on USB http://paste.ubuntu.com/936584/
[08:47] <Unkn0wn> twb: can you check this config file for me?
[08:48] <Unkn0wn> twb: http://pastebin.com/M2zLnUix
[08:48] <Unkn0wn> named.conf.local:20: unknown option 'zone'
[08:48] <Unkn0wn> named.conf.local:56: unexpected token near end of file
[08:48] <Unkn0wn> Whatever is wrong, it is driving me nuts.
[08:48] <Unkn0wn> It looks fine to me.
[08:49] <twb> Sorry I am not familiar with named conf format
[08:49] <twb> But you are missing a closing brace on line 13
[08:49] <twb> Indeed on most of those
[08:51] <twb> I don't know why you bother to lock down AXFR, though, it is just security-through-obscurity.
[08:52] <twb> Here is an example in nsd.conf format: http://paste.debian.net/163782/
[08:54] <RoyK> Unkn0wn: you're missing end brackets
[08:54] <RoyK> zone "blah.tld" { conf; conf; }
[08:54] <RoyK> zone "blah.tld" { conf; conf; }'
[08:54] <RoyK> zone "blah.tld" { conf; conf; };
[08:54] <RoyK> sorry
[08:54] <RoyK> last one
[08:54] <Unkn0wn> That did it!
[08:54] <RoyK> ;)
[09:01] <railsraider_> anyone knows if i can remove completely net filter nf_conntrack  on a dedicated HAproxy?
[09:02] <huats_> Hi !
[09:03] <RoyK> ho!
[09:03] <RoyK> railsraider: rmmod?
[09:04] <railsraider> RoyK: yes i know how to remove it , my question is do i need it?
[09:04] <huats_> I am wondering on oneiric there was file named /etc/kvm/utils/kvm and it seems gone on precise, any reason ? (I am just curious)
[09:04] <Error404NotFound> Does this make sense: Multiple Disks, LVM, XFS, GlusterFS to export them to client. This way when we need to increase space, we stop GFS, add more disks, increase lv, resize xfs and start gfs back.
[09:13] <cornfeed> good morning, any one around?
[09:13] <RoyK> railsraider: probably not
[09:14] <cornfeed> I am having the most curious problem....I have been locked out of the only account on the system
[09:14] <RoyK> hi all. when plugging in a drive, kernel tells me '[596815.800238] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off' <-- is there a way to tell the kernel I want that device to be read only?
[09:15] <cornfeed> I beleive that is a physical setting
[09:15] <cornfeed> you just need to mount it with the option "ro"
[09:29] <RoyK> the daily wtf - just opened this USB disk to find the SATA disk inside, and finds it's a, what, USB disk?!? USB connector soldered on the controller
[10:22] <hlan> RoyK: common Chinese scam
[10:24] <greppy> RoyK: have a pic?
[10:24] <hlan> RoyK: if you're referring to this: http://blog.jitbit.com/2011/04/chinese-magic-drive.html
[10:25] <hlan> I love the heavy metal thingies they added so the drives get a plausible weight
[10:41] <koolhead17> hlan, interesting :P
[10:41] <koolhead17> i remember buying similar 8 GB usb drive which originally had only 2GB space
[11:04] <RoyK> greppy, hlan: http://karlsbakk.net/bilder/WD10TMVW/
[11:06] <hlan> RoyK: ah that was not what I thought you talked about
[11:07] <hlan> looks weird to have a usb exit directly on the controller card..
[11:08] <RoyK> hlan: my thoughts exactly
[11:53] <Unkn0wn> apache: sh: id: command not found
[11:53] <Unkn0wn> what could be causing this?
[12:12] <cornfeed> I am having an impossible time logging into my new server
[13:27] <dackyshawn> i have ubuntu currently set up acting as my router at home... all my DHCP clients receive IPs from this ubuntu server.  The server has two nics, one for WAN and one for LAN... I want to sign up for a VPN service. I've been scoping out Mullvad, and it seems pretty decent and provides and openvpn config... My question is:  How can I route all my client PCs over the tunnel so that every computer is "hidden".  I dont want to i
[13:27] <dackyshawn> it is ubuntu server btw
[13:28] <dackyshawn> i assume it's possible but dont even know where to start :-(
[13:36] <resno> dackyshawn: you set up mullvad on each machine
[13:36] <resno> if the server doesnt do it, you set it machine up to use it
[13:39] <dackyshawn> i was trying to avoid having the client on each machine
[13:39] <dackyshawn> i've seen it done before where people route everything over the tunnel
[13:39] <dackyshawn> also mullvad has a limit to how many machines can connect to their tunnel at once
[13:41] <resno> well, if the server does it, you can
[13:42] <resno> i dont know any other way
[13:42] <resno> each client, or the server
[13:48] <dkn> don't you just have to make the vpn connection the default gateway instead of the WAN?
[13:52] <gary_poster> hallyn, did I see you say somewhere that you had a pyunit test suite for lxc waiting in the wings?  If so, should we try to fit the lxc-ip work into that?
[13:54] <hallyn> gary_poster: I'm on holiday today, and leaving soon, but yup, it's at lp:~serge-hallyn/+junk/lxc-test, look at lxctest.py (ignore the lxc-test.sh which is the original bash version)
[13:54] <gary_poster> cool thanks hallyn.  have a great holiday
[13:54] <hallyn> thanks o
[13:54] <resno> dkn: wouldnt that require setting the server up to handle it?
[13:55] <hallyn> heh, guess my client script filters out \
[13:55] <gary_poster> heh
[14:00] <dkn> either way ya,
[14:05] <dkn> http://blog.peter-b.org/2010/12/16/link-two-private-networks-using-a-vpn-on-ubuntu-linux-machines-each-behind-nat/
[14:19] <Unkn0wn> I have suphp configured.
[14:19] <Unkn0wn> Now when I try to make a mysql-connection, www-data is used instead of the specified username
[15:30] <cornfeed> anyone around feel like tackling an odd problem with me? I just need some people to toss ideas around with. I am an avid linux user and I am trying to setup my first ubuntu server. I have set up numerous centos, arch, and gentoo servers, but this one has me stumped
[15:37] <rbasak> !ask | cornfeed
[17:05] <blendedbychris> hey all
[17:08] <blendedbychris> is there a decent way to install newer versions of software like haproxy from a repo
[17:09] <blendedbychris> https://launchpad.net/~mojocode/+archive/ppa
[17:46] <hlan> anyone know of a good command line tool to stress test HTTP?
[17:51] <Pici> hlan: httperf?
[17:53] <hlan> Pici: thanks, I found "siege" though, gonna test it as well
[19:01] <sveinse> Hi, I'm admining a Natty server which we use for build server. The build is running a chrooted system installation. However, one of these scripts run mount against a loopback. Which fails on the server (loop: can't delete device /dev/loop0: No such device or address). This seems to work on Natty desktop, so I am wondering if this could be a server restriction. Anyone with knowledge of this?
[19:06] <kirkland> utlemming: ping
[19:06] <utlemming> kirkland: howdy
[19:06] <kirkland> utlemming: howdy!
[19:15] <Unkn0wn> My dovecot is suffering from a strange issue
[19:15] <Unkn0wn> It says unknown section type
[19:16] <jbicha> hallyn: any ideas why qemu-kvm-spice doesn't seem to be available for install on i386?
[19:17] <jbicha> or why there are no debs in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qemu-kvm-spice/
[19:22] <jbicha> oh that's obsolete, it's now qemu-linaro and I see that binary is only built for amd64
[19:25] <jbicha> but should it be amd64 only?
[19:31] <cmars232> hi there... is it possible to install tomcat6 and/or jenkins on openjdk (or anything besides gcj, really)?
[19:31] <cmars232> ^using the packages.. this is on precise
[19:31] <cmars232> using the packages that is... on precise
[19:39] <NCommander> Needed tomcat6 guru to tell me if the failures I'm seeing are a problem
[20:09] <hallyn> jbicha: sorry, out today and afk.  spice is 64-bit only.  will be online tomorrow
[20:26] <jbicha> hallyn: the spice source package is built for both i386 and amd64
[20:27] <lickalott> gents, had anyone been able to chmod a file or folder after it's been ftp'd while you're still ftp'd?
[20:28] <jbicha> hallyn: maybe that changed with version 10.0? http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/spice.git;a=blob;f=NEWS
[21:00] <lickalott> so no one??
[21:14] <znow> I am trying to do ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- but it comes with "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" <- never seen this before or never occured for me either - neither am I able to deploy my project to my server - what can I do?
[21:33] <Monotoko> Suppose I have a server that handles example.com and all of the web hosting/DNS etc side, then I add an A record for "mail" to point to another server, then an MX record to the zone to point to mail.example.com... and finally add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to the mail server... it should recieve all mail sent to that address, yes?
[21:34] <Monotoko> (I only did it twenty mins ago... so I'm wondering if I've done it correctly and just need to wait)
[21:36] <Monotoko> (the new server that is)
[22:25] <DiabolicalGamer> Anyone know why "juju status" hangs forever?
[22:25] <DiabolicalGamer> I managed to bootstrap, ubuntu installed on a node, I can ping it, but juju status doesn't work.
[22:45] <hallyn> jbicha: that's the spice client which can be 32-bit.  spice server (which is what runs in qemu) is 64-bit only last i knew, at least per http://spice-space.org/faq.html
[22:45] <hallyn> and http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/spice-devel/2010-November/001738.html
[22:46] <hallyn> (running out again)
[22:48] <jbicha> look at the Nov 15 2011 entry at http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=314185
[22:49] <jbicha> oh and 1.0~rc4+dfsg-1 at http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/q/qemu/current/changelog
[23:21] <DiabolicalGamer> Anyone know why "juju -v status" would throw this error? -> http://pastebin.com/w7NcmtXX
[23:59] <DiabolicalGamer> Anyone know why "juju -v status" would throw this error? -> http://pastebin.com/w7NcmtXX


[00:08] <rockstar> maxb, we used to see them request them from http://pleasesendmeubuntucds.com/
[00:08] <rockstar> Seemed like a lot of work just to get some free cds.
[00:42] <bdrung> some daily build system can handle 3.0 (quilt) packages (source format `3.0 (quilt)' discarded: no orig.tar file found), but other can't: https://code.launchpad.net/~audacity-team/+recipe/daily.karmic/+build/10905 https://code.launchpad.net/~audacity-team/+recipe/daily.lucid/+build/10823 https://code.launchpad.net/~audacity-team/+recipe/daily/+build/10907 https://code.launchpad.net/~audacity-team/+recipe/daily/+build/10906 https://code.edge.launch
[00:42] <bdrung> pad.net/~videolan/+recipe/master-daily/+build/10877 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~videolan/+recipe/master-daily/+build/10876
[00:44] <wgrant> bdrung: It depends on the series.
[00:44] <wgrant> bdrung: dpkg in >= maverick is the problem.
[00:44] <wgrant> dpkg in <= lucid will fallback to 1.0 automatically.
[00:44] <bdrung> wgrant: ok
[00:57] <spiv> losa ping: codehosting seems a bit grumpy: I just got "exec request failed on channel 0" when trying to bzr+ssh to it, and CodehostingPerformance graph looks alarming.
[00:57] <spm> urg
[00:57] <spm> ahh. it's verra busy. lookin'
[00:58] <spiv> Mostly I'm connecting ok.
[00:58] <spiv> So far in my gentle poking I've only seen that error once, so it's not totally busted :)
[01:21] <fta> wgrant, hi, how is the ppa stats thing supposed to work? i wrote a script back in september (it's still reporting nothing atm) but everything seems to be attached to a published binary
[01:21] <fta> so does this mean stats are volatile and disappear each time a source package is updated?
[01:22] <micahg> fta: there was a post on teh PPA stats bug that there are no stats yet, but will be soon
[01:22] <fta> micahg, it's supposed to work using the api (at least, once the parser catches up)
[01:23] <fta> and i'm using the api
[01:23] <micahg> fta: right, once the parser catches up
[01:24] <fta> micahg, yep (i read that bug too), but that was not the purpose of my question
[01:25] <fta> getDailyDownloadTotals()/getDownloadCount() seem to come from a getPublishedBinaries() object, which disappear with its src package
[01:29] <micahg> fta: ah, sorry
[01:31] <wgrant> fta: They don't disappear...
[01:31] <wgrant> fta: The records are still there.
[01:31] <wgrant> But they are Superseded or Deleted, not Published.
[01:31] <fta> wgrant, so i guess i wrote my script without really knowing what i was doing
[01:31] <fta> oh, right
[01:32] <fta> not good for dailies then, too many stuff to pull
[01:32] <fta> too slow
[01:33] <wgrant> If you can think of superior additional ways to expose it, we can look at those.
[01:33] <wgrant> I just implemented the bare minimum to start with.
[01:33] <fta> wgrant, i wrote this 3 months ago: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541242/
[01:34] <fta> just to test when i thought it was ready
[01:37] <lifeless> I think something like a spark line on package (not versioned) across the last few days, and stats on the individual things if you drill in
[01:38] <wgrant> Sure.
[01:38] <wgrant> But that's a bit generic.
[01:38] <fta> i wanted to see numbers moving before thinking about how to display them
[01:39] <wgrant> That should happen in the next few days.
[01:39] <wgrant> But the logs are pretty huge, so they'll take a while.
[01:40] <Daviey> Hey, Do we have an idea when the staging server will be back online?
[01:56] <fta> uh, another ftbfs without logs: https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/dev/+build/2087183
[04:26] <cnd> I'm trying to push to a ppa, but twice now I've received the following error back in the rejection email:
[04:26] <cnd>   Rejected:
[04:26] <cnd> Unhandled exception processing upload: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'md5'
[04:26] <cnd> any ideas?
[04:27] <spiv> cnd: sounds like a bug :(
[04:27] <wgrant> Oh, ugh.
[04:27] <wgrant> Regression in the last rollout.
[04:27] <wgrant> I didn't know about it, but I already have a branch that happens to fix it.
[04:28] <cnd> wgrant, do you know when it will be fixed?
[04:28] <spiv> wgrant: when you're finished with the time machine be sure to return it back to the year 3010.
[04:29] <wgrant> cnd: I'm not sure. I'll talk to people about it in a few hours, when they wake up.
[04:29] <wgrant> cnd: Your package uses an existing orig.tar.gz?
[04:29] <cnd> wgrant, are we talking within a day or two?
[04:29] <cnd> wgrant, it should be
[04:29] <wgrant> cnd: With any lukc.
[04:29] <cnd> ok
[04:29] <cnd> wgrant, will there be notification when it's fixed?
[04:30] <wgrant> cnd: You can subscribe to the bug that I'm currently filing.
[04:30] <cnd> ok
[04:33] <wgrant> cnd: Bug #687662
[04:34] <cnd> wgrant, thanks!
[04:34]  * wgrant gets the branch reviewed.
[07:53] <Daviey> Hi, staging has been in "Code Update" mode for the last 7 hours... is it known when it will be back?
[08:37] <MTecknology> I'm not understanding why my package was rejected.... Unhandled exception processing upload: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'md5'
[08:41] <wgrant> MTecknology: Bug #687662
[08:42] <MTecknology> wgrant: so it'll probably be fixed in the next couple days?
[08:42] <MTecknology> Anything I can do about it now?
[08:42] <wgrant> You can't do anything.
[08:43] <wgrant> The fix is a one-liner, so it'll hopefully be applied soonish.
[08:43] <wgrant> I will talk to people about it shortly.
[08:43] <MTecknology> ok- thanks
[08:43] <MTecknology> I'll hold off until morning
[08:45] <MTecknology> I'm hoping that I have one more upload just to make sure things are working right - then I'll upload to upstream and let them yell at me for all the changes :P
[09:53] <Daviey> jelmer: Any idea when staging will be back online... been offline for ~9 hours :(
[09:55]  * Daviey cries.
[09:55] <wgrant> Daviey: Can you use qastaging instead?
[09:56] <Daviey> wgrant: i did try that... but getting an odd traceback when generating an auth token
[09:56] <wgrant> Daviey: What's the traceback?
[09:56] <wgrant> It's meant to work.
[09:59] <Daviey> wgrant: http://pb.daviey.com/5Z3F/raw/
[10:00] <Daviey> I assume i used the correct url :/
[10:00] <Daviey> i tired /devel/ aswell
[10:00] <wgrant> Daviey: Drop the beta/ from the URL.
[10:00] <wgrant> Recent versions of launchpadlib have version support, so they append it automatically (in this case it's using 1.0)
[10:01] <wgrant> So it requests /beta/1.0, and boom.
[10:01] <Daviey> dammit... wgrant, i owe you :)
[10:01] <Daviey> that worked, thanks :)
[10:01] <wgrant> Excellent.
[10:02] <wgrant> Although you raise a good point about staging.
[10:03] <Daviey> Well now i can use qastaging, it's unblocked me :)
[10:57] <gord> who do i partition to get launchpad merge request diff's to ignore whitespace changes? ;)
[13:37] <zyga> hi
[13:37] <zyga> is there any reference lauchpad logo image for sitest that want to offer launchpad-based open-id SSO
[13:37] <zyga> preferably a transparent image suitable for resizing
[13:56] <napster> "bzr: ERROR: Connection error: while sending CONNECT xmlrpc.launchpad.net:443: [Errno 110] Connection timed out"
[13:56] <napster> I get this error when I try to push to https://launchpad.net/extinctor/trunk
[13:56] <napster> what could be wrong?
[14:00] <napster> anyone?
[14:06] <napster> bzr push lp:~subinsebastien/extinctor/trunkbzr: ERROR: Connection error: while sending CONNECT xmlrpc.launchpad.net:443: [Errno 110] Connection timed out
[14:06] <napster> please help me fix this
[14:12] <jelmer> napster: hi
[14:12] <napster> jelmer: hi
[14:13] <jelmer> napster: Launchpad doesn't allow pushing over https, only over ssh.
[14:13] <jelmer> Although that error seems to suggest there's an issue resolving the lp: URL you're specifying
[14:13] <jelmer> napster: is there perhaps a proxy of some sort in between you and Launchpad?
[14:14] <napster> jelmer: I can surely say no, till my ISP
[14:15] <napster> jelmer: Whats error number 443
[14:15] <napster> ?
[14:15] <jelmer> napster: 443 is the port number
[14:15] <napster> sorry error number 110
[14:16] <jelmer> 110 is Connection timed out
[14:17] <jelmer> napster: do other lp: URLs work or is this the first time you're using one?
[14:17] <napster> jelmer: I think my internet connection is good and lp is also up
[14:17] <napster> jelmer: I work with 6 projects
[14:19] <jelmer> napster: Can you try fetching or pushing another project?
[14:19] <napster> jelmer: sure. lemme try
[14:20] <jelmer> Pushing an extinctor branch seems to work for me, let's see if we can narrow down the problem.
[14:20] <napster> jelmer: It gives me the exact same error with netchat(the other project of mine)
[14:21] <jelmer> napster: and http access is not affected?
[14:21] <napster> no
[14:21] <napster> http works fine
[14:22] <jelmer> napster: can you file a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code about this?
[14:22] <napster> jelmer: sure. in a minute.
[14:23] <jelmer> napster: for the moment you should be able to work around it by specifying the bzr+ssh URL directly
[14:23] <jelmer> e.g. bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~subinsebastien/extinctor/trunkbzr
[14:23] <napster> jelmer: can you elaborate a bit? what could be the complete command?
[14:23] <jelmer> bzr push bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~subinsebastien/extinctor/trunkbzr
[14:24] <jelmer> the "lp:" bit is a shorthand for that long URL
[14:24] <napster> jelmer: got the point
[14:25] <napster> then its with the access I made right?
[14:27] <jelmer> napster: If you mean it will use your credentials, yes.
[14:28] <napster> jelmer: I did the same to netchat, and now there is two branches for it :(
[14:29] <zyga> lifeless, hi
[14:29] <zyga> lifeless, is there any set of reusable media files for indicating something works with launchpad?
[14:29] <zyga> lifeless, in particular, that a webapp integrates with lauchpad sso
[14:50] <Ng> 20
[14:51] <Ng> bah
[14:53] <tumbleweed> I swear in the past I could set up vcs imports without needing review? Has something changed?
[14:57] <soren> tumbleweed: git branches don't need review.
[14:57] <tumbleweed> soren: aah, that explains, this is SVN
[14:57] <soren> tumbleweed: Right.
[14:57] <soren> tumbleweed: I don't know why, though, but that's how it is.
[14:58] <tumbleweed> soren: yeah, np
[15:01] <jelmer> tumbleweed, soren: with svn some users register the root of the repository rather than a separate directory/branch which can result in huge load and disk usage on the importers and heavy network load on the repository
[15:02] <tumbleweed> jelmer: makes sense
[15:04] <soren> jelmer: Ah.
[17:27] <txdv_> verry intersting
[17:27] <txdv_> though i add someone to the suscribers of my branch
[17:28] <txdv_> they seem not to recieve any mails
[17:29] <txdv_> at least not the merge proposal
[17:29] <txdv_> :/
[21:26] <MTecknology> wgrant: not merged yet... :(
[22:36] <davidstrauss> I can't figure out what's wrong with this import: https://code.launchpad.net/~davidstrauss/drupal-mongodb/trunk
[22:37] <beuno> davidstrauss, looks like a bug in launchpad
[22:37] <beuno> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60299283/davidstrauss-drupal-mongodb-trunk.log


[01:47] <matjan> hi, over the past couple of days i have been experiencing system crashes... but but no messages were left in the logs... i am using hardy with the 2.6.24-19 kernel
[01:47] <matjan> however, yesterday, something was logged
[01:47] <matjan> let me post quickly one line here:
[01:47] <matjan> Aug 12 11:32:30 quadpc kernel: [101268.517063] Pid: 11524, comm: hadam3_um_5.03_ Tainted: P    B D (2.6.24-19-generic #1)
[01:48] <matjan> this is followed by 40 (or so) more messages and then it stops with: [01:49] <matjan> not sure if i can ask about this problem here...
[04:27] <RAOF> It seems the interactive performance has dropped a lot under heavy IO, certainly from Hardy's kernel.  In particular, reading the dpkg database can interrupt Banshee/gstreamer/pulseaudio's music for multiple seconds, and make the UI unusable for the duration of the read.  What's the best way of debugging this?
[04:28] <RAOF> I could build the kernel from Ubuntu git and try to bisect, but it'll take quite some time to actually test each build, so it'd be good if someone had a guess as to where to start :)
[05:03] <pwnguin> scheduling policy
[05:15] <pwnguin> RAOF: in hardy, you might notice from time to time that high disk i/o messes with input
[05:16] <pwnguin> apt operations seem to trigger key repeats
[05:17] <pwnguin> something about group scheduling polcy
[05:17] <RAOF> I didn't so much notice that.
[05:17] <pwnguin> a friend of mine got rather angry at Ubuntu over it, up until debian had similar problems
[05:21] <lifeless> lol
[05:21] <pwnguin> same with firefox
[05:22] <pwnguin> those Ubuntu developers! always breaking my stuff. thats it, i have to go back to debian if I want a working computer
[05:22] <pwnguin> *24 hours later*
[11:46] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/kernel-update-pack-generic-next/source/2.6.27-pv_lock_ops-fix.patch
[11:47] <Kano> could somebody push that upstream? it is a needed fix for 3d drivers + paravirt
[11:56] <amitk> Kano: BenC already told you we would not do anything to work around GPL symbols
[11:56] <Kano> but thats a newly introduced error
[11:56] <Kano> it was not there in 2.6.26
[11:56] <Kano> if you ignore that ship 8.10 without nvidia+fglrx drivers
[11:57] <Kano> i am pretty sure nobody will use it then
[11:58] <amitk> Kano: besides, why don't you email it to lkml? :)
[11:58] <Kano> dont like mailinglists, never liked that
[11:59] <amitk> Kano: i think you can post to LKML through a web interface, no subscription necessary.
[11:59] <Kano> you can read it
[12:03] <amitk> Kano: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s3-3
[12:03] <amitk> There, now you can post to the list directly.
[12:31] <mjg59> Kano: The only people who will apply that patch are upstream, so.
[12:47] <Kano> well i will not write mail, just do it
[12:47] <Kano> bye
[13:03] <laga> Kano rocks.
[13:05] <amitk> laga: he does indeed
[13:10] <laga> so, how do i submit patches against the ubuntu kernel?
[13:10] <laga> assuming i've got them in my git tree
[13:10] <benje> hi is ther is planed to set memory to 64 in generic kernel to handle all memory and swap of recent conmputer .
[13:11] <mjg59> benje: Use a 64-bit kernel or the server kernel
[13:11] <mjg59> benje: Supporting PAE results in a performance hit
[13:11] <benje> mjg59, oki thanks
[13:12] <laga> ooh, i found some documentation in the wiki
[13:23] <laga> i guess it's a bit too late now to use the commit templates :(
[13:25] <laga> is it absolutely necessary to have the signed-off-by line in all commits?
[13:32] <laga> ooh, git-gui.
[13:47] <amitk> laga: Signed-off is mandatory to establish provenance of the code
[13:48] <laga> ok. i've found out how to add it to existing commits
[13:48] <amitk> laga: sending each commit as an attachment to a separate email is good. If you have lots of patches, you can point to your git tree.
[13:49] <laga> hum. i don't have lots of patches, but i'm lazy so i'll just upload my tree.
[13:50] <amitk> laga: if they are patches to various drivers , it would be nice to have detailed explanations in the patches themselves
[13:50] <laga> no, it's just a proper aufs tree
[14:26] <soren> BenC: Do you think you can explain what needs to happen for virtio-net to be available in the installer (without having to install additional udebs)?
[16:37] <BenC> soren: I can split up the modules into the general udeb's...otherwise, you would need to ask cjwatson how things work in the installer
[16:37] <BenC> soren: maybe it can detect that it is running in a vm and automatically request the right udeb
[16:38] <BenC> amitk, rtg, smb_tp: Preparing an intrepid upload...anything you guys working on right now that I should hold off for?
[16:38] <soren> BenC: I think we ship much, much more esotric modules in the general udeb's as it is.
[16:38] <soren> BenC: I have a patch for Intrepid, actually.
[16:39] <smb_tp> BenC, nope
[16:39] <BenC> soren: patches are good :)
[16:39] <rtg> BenC: Mario pointed out that Broadom ain't working in LRM, so I need to look at that.
[16:39] <soren> BenC: Indeed they are. :) Gimme a minute.
[16:39] <rtg> Intrepid LRM (that is)
[16:40] <BenC> rtg: I'd say that's an incorrect statement, since I was just using it last week :)
[16:40] <rtg> BenC: I'm good with that :)
[16:41] <BenC> rtg: which reminds me, that I and some one else confirmed that the wl driver has a bug which prevents it from allowing wan connections behind a NAT AP
[16:41] <rtg> BenC: I remember seeing that. How can a MAC layer driver mess up a NAT connection?
[16:41] <BenC> rtg: b43 works fine, so it's definitely the wl driver's fault
[16:42] <BenC> rtg: does wl have it's own IP stack too?  :)
[16:42] <rtg> BenC: I wonder if ti's truncating the MTU. (It is a full MAC driver)
[16:43] <BenC> rtg: I didn't get far enough with testing it to see where the packets were being dropped...maybe I'll have some time another day to run ethereal on it
[16:43] <BenC> rtg: MTU was some one else's guess too
[16:44] <BenC> I'd have to see the packet to know what's going on, and I really hate spending time on it considering I can't fix it
[16:44] <BenC> rtg: Can you email me the broadcom contacts?
[16:44] <rtg> BenC: NAT packets aren't wrappered, they just get the return IP and port number swizzled after trhe routing decision.
[16:45] <BenC> rtg: right...I'm kind of thinking that either the AP is ignoring the packets from some odd reason, or the swizzling is causing wl to ignore the return packets
[16:46] <rtg> BenC: all that happens in IP. The AP is a layer 2 MAC bridge.
[16:46] <BenC> rtg: the fact that it works to LAN machines _AND_ that it only affects some applications is making it even more weird
[16:46] <BenC> rtg: e.g. mozilla works fine, elinks works fine, but telnet to port 80 doesn't
[16:47] <BenC> rtg: and ssh doesn't work
[16:47] <BenC> so it seems to have something to do with packet size
[16:47] <BenC> I think ssh and telnet limit to 512 bytes
[16:47]  * amitk looks up yet another Tim'ism - swizzle. And it surprised to find it in the Jargon File!
[16:47] <BenC> amitk: swizzle sticks dude
[16:47] <rtg> amitk: what? You think I invented it? huh.
[16:48] <amitk> heh
[16:48] <BenC> wget doesn't work either, IIRC
[16:48] <rtg> BenC: Broadcom POC info emailed.
[16:48] <BenC> rtg: thanks
[16:49] <BenC> I wonder if it may have something to do with tcp windows...I can at least swizzle that in sysctl ;)
[16:49]  * BenC honors the new word-of-the-day
[16:49] <soren> sysctl? :)
[16:49] <amitk> BenC: the wl driver should not know anything about the NATing.. that would happen at the gateway
[16:49] <rtg> BenC: as you said, no use spending time on something we can't fix.
[16:49] <BenC> amitk: it shouldn't...but it doesn't happen across a straight route...only over NAT
[16:50] <BenC> amitk: and confirmed with two different b43 cards, and two different AP's
[16:50] <BenC> so we can't even blame the NAT stack on the AP
[16:50] <rtg> BenC: are the APs simple bridges, or do they have routing built in?
[16:50] <amitk> BenC: played with 'iwconfig frag' ?
[16:51] <BenC> rtg: mine is routing...I don't know about the other
[16:51] <BenC> mine is a wrt54g with dd-wrt firmware
[16:51] <BenC> the other was a stock cisco AP
[17:00] <BenC> rtg: email sent, CC'd you
[17:01] <soren> BenC: Patch sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:02] <soren> BenC: Ok, as I was saying: I don't think keeping virtio modules in a udeb by themselves is justified (if that requires people to do more stuff in the installer to make it work).
[17:04] <BenC> soren: But is it possible to have that udeb automatically selected based on the environment?
[17:04] <soren> For KVM, yes.
[17:04] <soren> (other virtualisation things will be offering virtio devices soon, too)
[17:05] <soren> BenC: Oh, er..
[17:05] <soren> WEll, yes, we can look at the presence of certain PCI id's.
[17:05] <soren> That should always work.
[17:06] <soren> Just to reiterate: You removed them from nic-modules to keep netboot images smaller. Right?
[17:07] <BenC> soren: right
[17:07] <soren> So how am I supposed to netboot kvm guests?
[17:07]  * soren might be missing something here..
[17:08] <BenC> soren: well, it can netboot...just might not be able to do the install :)
[17:08] <BenC> soren: this probably should include someone who works on d-i
[17:08] <BenC> soren: since I only know a trivial amount about this
[17:08] <BenC> soren: does kvm/qemu even support PXE boot?
[17:09] <soren> I'm just desperately trying to work out why specifically virtio was removed from nic-modules and not one of the many other ones.
[17:09] <soren> BenC: Sure. It has done so for ages.
[17:11] <BenC> soren: I'm personally at a disadvantage to defend that decision, I just know that for netboot, things need to be kept small
[17:12] <soren> BenC: Oh, I thought you were the one who decided it should be that way. The commit had your name on it, I believe :)
[17:13] <BenC> soren: I did decide it, but soley based on what udebs/netboot was meant for :)
[17:16] <soren> So I should talk to cjwatson, I presume?
[17:17] <BenC> soren: clflush commit pulled into intrepid
[17:17] <soren> Thanks very much.
[17:17] <BenC> soren: cjwatson is probably best
[17:17] <BenC> soren: if I can get a clear definition of what should and shouldn't go into udeb's, it would make life remarkably easier for all of us
[17:18]  * soren makes a note
[17:18] <soren> Ok, thanks
[17:26] <mkrufky> is there a command that i can ask a user to do that will tell me if he is running hardy32 or hardy64 ?
[17:26] <laga> uname -a?
[17:26] <mkrufky> obviously i can have him look at /proc/cpu , but i am not sure if that is definitive to determine that running flavor, versus cpu capability
[17:26]  * smb_tp damn, too late ;-)
[17:27] <rtg> uname -m
[17:27]  * smb_tp curses tiny laptop fonts.
[17:27] <smb_tp> mkrufky, right uname -m ist the one
[17:29] <amitk> uname only tells about kernel, dpkg-architecture will tell about userspace too
[17:29] <smb_tp> mkrufky, dpkg-architecture will show which ... ok
[17:30] <rtg> BenC: pushed Intrepid patch
[17:30] <mkrufky> awesome ... thanks to both of you
[17:30] <mkrufky> looks like dpkg-architecture is what i needed
[18:36] <cody-somerville> Hey
[18:36] <cody-somerville> Did we ever get compcache spec done?
[20:36] <mkrufky>  is anybody here going to the Linux Plumbers conference?
[20:36] <mkrufky> http://www.linuxplumbersconf.org
[20:44] <rtg> mkrufky: all of the Canonical/Ubuntu kernel dev team will be there.
[20:45] <mkrufky> ah, great!
[21:44] <Ampelbein> Could someone please have a look at bug #163236? The ipw3945-driver is deprecated and all development has gone to the iwlwifi-project. So I think this bug can be set to "Won't fix"? Can somebody with the correct rights check that out, please?