[14:30] <CarlFK> preseed file - is there a line continuation char?  like \ in python
[15:01] <cjwatson> CarlFK: yes, \, with minor restrictions.  https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-creating.html
[15:02] <CarlFK> thanks
[15:19] <CIA-45> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1536 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move to 3.0.0-12 kernels.
[15:21] <CIA-45> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1537 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu66


[18:01] <alex_mayorga> ¡Hola!
[18:01] <alex_mayorga> Anyone here with the powers to fix the busted PPA?
[18:46] <blaamann_b570> Is Firefox built without geolocation support? Or perhaps the GOOGLE_API_KEY is missing?


[17:30] <Spicemaster> hi Alexia_Death
[17:31] <Alexia_Death> hi
[21:09] <LLStarks> bryceh, i think synaptic is busted. did the new evdev or anything else in the new stack break stuff? touchpad clicks are broken. minimal pointer accuracy. jumping cursor.
[21:10] <LLStarks> usb mice seem to be fine
[21:39] <LLStarks> anyone?
[22:34] <RAOF> LLStarks: Oh, really?  BAh.
[22:35] <RAOF> LLStarks: Are you actually *using* synaptics, or evdev?
[22:36] <LLStarks> synaptics according to xorg logs
[22:41] <RAOF> So, there is a new synaptics, and it pretty drastically changed the acceleration infrastructure.
[22:42] <RAOF> Although, for the touchpads *I* tested on, it resulted in subjectively better behaviour.
[22:42] <RAOF> Touchpad clicks work for me; Xorg.0.log might possibly be useful.
[23:01] <LLStarks> http://pastebin.com/C5KV22fJ
[23:02] <LLStarks> synaptics is terrible right now. the point can't even stay stationary if your finger is.
[23:02] <LLStarks> *pointer
[23:04] <LLStarks> raof, is the previous version abi compatible with the new stack?
[23:04] <RAOF> That's because you appear to be using evdev, rather than synaptics.
[23:04] <LLStarks> oh, am i?
[23:04] <RAOF> Yes: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad catchall"
[23:04] <RAOF> Do you have the synaptics driver installed? :)
[23:05] <LLStarks> yes.
[23:05] <LLStarks> 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu1
[23:05] <RAOF> Well, that's rather disappointing.
[23:06] <LLStarks> how do i force synaptics and why isn't it being used?
[23:06] <LLStarks> i don't mind using my mx510, but i'd rather not drag it everywhere
[23:06] <LLStarks> <_<
[23:07] <RAOF> The server doesn't appear to be even loading the synaptics module.
[23:07] <RAOF> Can you pastebin the contents of /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
[23:08] <LLStarks> eric@kingfisher:/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d$ dir
[23:08] <LLStarks> 10-evdev.conf	   50-vmmouse.conf	     60-magictrackpad.conf
[23:08] <LLStarks> 50-synaptics.conf  51-synaptics-quirks.conf
[23:09] <LLStarks> i didn't even know evdev were a fallback for touchpads
[23:09] <LLStarks> i thought they used -mouse
[23:10] <LLStarks> does alps use evdev?
[23:10] <RAOF> No.
[23:10] <RAOF> Touchpads use synaptics, everything else* uses evdev
[23:10] <RAOF> * Barring special things like wacom.
[23:10] <LLStarks> ah
[23:12] <RAOF> Well, and the magic trackpad, which gets evdev because that's where gesture support is.
[23:16] <LLStarks> x gesture support is so confusing. there's utouch and then there's the gesture extension.
[23:16] <LLStarks> i dun get it
[23:16] <RAOF> Utouch is the userspace component.
[23:16] <RAOF> The gesture extension is a (temporary, it turns out) server-side support for it.
[23:23] <LLStarks> i see
[23:24] <LLStarks> any insight on the evdev-over-synaptics?
[23:25] <RAOF> Not really.
[23:26] <RAOF> Perhaps the udev log would be helpful?
[23:26] <RAOF> Because synaptics *should* be picking up your touchpad as a touchpad.
[23:26] <LLStarks> what file?
[23:29] <RAOF> udevadm --query=all --name /dev/input/event8
[23:30] <LLStarks> can't query all
[23:32] <LLStarks> grr. all options are unrecognized.
[23:32] <RAOF> Does “udevadm --query=all --name=/dev/input/event8” work?
[23:32] <RAOF> Bah! “udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/input/event8” work?
[23:41] <LLStarks> yar
[23:41] <LLStarks> http://pastebin.com/hA8G3jmR
[23:44] <RAOF> And can you pastebin /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf ?
[23:45] <LLStarks> http://pastebin.com/yndbtBwS
[23:46] <RAOF> Ok.  I'm now officially confused.
[23:47] <RAOF> I don't see why that shouldn't match your touchpad.


[00:00] <Bigleon> It is so much fun revolver i started playing with linux my senior year of HS! I love vast universe applications and the utter freeness :P
[00:00] <revolverXD1> lucid lynx the netbook and the desktop one
[00:00] <Bigleon> Revolver i recommend playing with kubuntu :D
[00:00] <zkriesse> revolverXD1: cool
[00:00]  * zkriesse uses Ubuntu Lucid with the Kubuntu added on
[00:00] <revolverXD1> yeah part of the reason i decided to move to linux is becasu
[00:01] <Bigleon> I have no love for Gnome interface...
[00:01] <revolverXD1> because i really want to learn shell  :)
[00:01] <zkriesse> Bigleon: lol
[00:01] <Bigleon> If i remember right didn't they drop gnome in 10.4
[00:01] <revolverXD1> oh nope still here
[00:02] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: maybe you're thinking of the point that in 10.10 they're moving to Gnome 3.0
[00:02] <Bigleon> That might be it nUboon...
[00:03] <Bigleon> I read my /. daily and possibly just mis remembered the details.
[00:03] <revolverXD1> lol this is great from one problem to another :\ my menu editor dosent work
[00:04] <Bigleon> Isn't there emulation software that i can run a linux distro on my win7
[00:04] <revolverXD1> but from what i remember when it did work you could practicly throw out all the items you dont want to see and will have only one tab with the stuff you want
[00:04] <Bigleon> Revolver is it giving you an error or just a hard time?
[00:04] <revolverXD1> live cd
[00:05] <zkriesse> Bigleon: yes
[00:05] <revolverXD1> nope just wont start
[00:05] <Bigleon> I'm not talking live cd... i'm talking like virtual desktop...
[00:05] <revolverXD1> ah let me check
[00:05] <revolverXD1> temulator
[00:05] <zkriesse> Bigleon: There is just don't recall
[00:06] <Bigleon> Uhh recolver shouold check the website, it's for sale lol
[00:06] <revolverXD1> lol sorry i didnt meant to type it here
[00:06] <revolverXD1> its for sale for around 4 months allready :)
[00:07] <revolverXD1> and unfortunnaly it has only win emulators
[00:07] <Bigleon> *to the VD wiki*
[00:08] <revolverXD1> lol
[00:08] <zkriesse> revolverXD1: Bigleon looking to join this team maybe?
[00:08] <Bigleon> zkrieese I'll consider if i get a full time linux box up.
[00:09] <revolverXD1> im too much of a noob to join any team
[00:09] <revolverXD1> but im learning
[00:09] <Bigleon> alright Virtual Desktop isn't exactly what i want i assume...
[00:10] <Bigleon> I need something that effectively will run Linux inside of Win7 :P
[00:10] <revolverXD1> VMware?
[00:10] <Bigleon> YES thats word i was looking for
[00:11] <revolverXD1> lol
[00:11] <Bigleon> Now to find opensource VMware...
[00:11] <revolverXD1> ouch that a little bit pricy
[00:12] <zkriesse> revolverXD1: That's why this is called the "Beginners Team"
[00:12] <zkriesse> It takes the new guys and makes them awesome
[00:12] <zkriesse> Like me
[00:13] <Bigleon> here is my plan, i got a nice 32" LCD, with HDMI connector to my 64bit LP so i can multi box wow :D
[00:13] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: VitualBox .  Free and some think actually better than VMWare.
[00:13] <Bigleon> If i remember right there is a free multibox software on linux... i know all windows one cost... :(
[00:14] <Bigleon> thank you nUboon2age checking it out now.
[00:14] <revolverXD1> do i need to do something or uphold some rules ? im kinda almost never on line since im a university student
[00:14] <Bigleon> Where do you go revolver?
[00:15] <revolverXD1> electricity engineering
[00:15] <Bigleon> thats what you are doing yes... :P does ur university have a name lol. although we should probbaly move this conversation to offtopic.
[00:16] <revolverXD1> ah it's in israel lol
[00:17] <Bigleon> Ahh I go to uni out in kansas in USA.
[00:17] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: another approach is Wubi.  Doesn't require disk partitioning, but allows you to boot Linux.  Pretty neat.  But if you want to jump back and forth between Wn and Ubuntu, then VirtualBox approach...
[00:17] <Bigleon> Wubi?
[00:18] <revolverXD1> the live cd
[00:18] <revolverXD1> very nice thing
[00:18] <nUboon2Age> !wubi
[00:18] <ubot2> Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide for troubleshooting. Please  file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.
[00:19] <Bigleon> Is that like kubuntu-windows intergration?
[00:19] <nUboon2Age> wubi isn't the liveCD.
[00:20] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: I'm not 100%, but I think I heard Wubi can install kubuntu.  Anyone know?
[00:20] <Bigleon> Omg i love my gf's i-net, 2Mb/S downstream...
[00:20] <Bigleon> mom's 100kb/s
[00:21] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: heck I've got a Vista machine I'd been thinking of wubi-izing so maybe I'll try it out this afternoon.
[00:21] <revolverXD1> yeah sorry i got confused for a sec since i used it to force windows to boot the live cd
[00:21] <Bigleon> Well I'm doing it on Win7 here in about 5 minutes :D
[00:21] <Bigleon> Well not WUbi, but Virtualbox + kubuntu
[00:23] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: yes you could run Kubuntu (or any distro or OS) in virutalbox on Win
[00:23] <revolverXD1> :\ damn on the whole net there is no web based ubuntu emulator
[00:23] <Bigleon> I may get disconnected during install brb.
[00:24] <nUboon2Age> revolverXD1: interesting idea.  Well, if you just want to see what it looks like there are youtube videos of it.
[00:24] <nUboon2Age> revolverXD1: or Wubi is an extremely simple way to ubuntu as a windoze program.
[00:24] <revolverXD1> lol not for me i wanted to check bigleon
[00:24] <Bigleon> Google has a program where you might get bandwidth + website to create something like that.
[00:25] <revolverXD1> im allready deep in ubuntu
[00:25] <nUboon2Age> revolverXD1: gothcha
[00:25] <Bigleon_> T___T... i got a dash after my name :(
[00:25] <revolverXD1> lol
[00:26] <Bigleon_> Any hat's able to dump the other one?
[00:26] <zkriesse> Bigleon: what do you want to do?
[00:27] <zkriesse> Bigleon_: I take it that Bigleon is your registered nick?
[00:27] <Bigleon_> zkrieese oh my old tag is still in here i wanted to dump it so i can drop the dash.
[00:27] <Bigleon_> I haven't registered it yet
[00:27] <Bigleon_> Or if i did register it; it was a long time ago.
[00:27] <zkriesse> Bigleon: ok well then hmm
[00:28] <zkriesse> Bigleon: is not a registered nick
[00:28] <Bigleon_> alright well i'll get that regied in a bit.
[00:29] <zkriesse> Bigleon_: Yeah you'll have to wait until it does a ping time out
[00:29] <revolverXD> one question if i may
[00:29] <zkriesse> Bigleon: type /msg nickserv help register
[00:29] <Bigleon> Sooo I take it With Virtualbox i can't run a 64 bit os on it?
[00:29] <zkriesse> revolverXD: of course
[00:29] <zkriesse> Bigleon: don't think so
[00:30] <revolverXD> is there anypoint to put firewall on linux distro? since i read the iptablets is a damn strong firewall
[00:30] <Bigleon> I might try Wubi instead :P
[00:30] <zkriesse> revolverXD: there is...you'll have to search for it in the Software Center
[00:31] <zkriesse> Bigleon: You register your nick yet?
[00:31] <Bigleon> almost
[00:32] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: just for the record, I'm just installing wubi, and it does allow you to pick ubuntu, ubuntu netbook, Kubuntu, kubuntu netbook, xubuntu or Mythbuntu
[00:32] <Bigleon> I'm reading Wubi Wiki before install
[00:32] <Bigleon> and i'm registered :D
[00:33] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: re VirtualBox or Wubi I don't know what the situation is re: 64-bit
[00:34] <Bigleon> well Virtualbox is 16bit which hurts my eyes. Even with 2gigs for ram and 8gigs for hd space.
[00:34] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: oh, the display.  That's adjustable i think.
[00:34] <Bigleon> max is 26bit from what i read on their wiki
[00:35] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: and i take it your display is 64bit?
[00:36] <Bigleon> Yeah :D
[00:36] <Bigleon> Got nice HD package etc....
[00:36] <Bigleon> Installing Wubi right now, I got 2 partions my *stuff* and base install for win7
[00:36] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: when you said 64bit I thought you meant cpu rather than graphics.
[00:37] <Bigleon> Both actually
[00:37] <Bigleon> 64bit processor
[00:37] <Bigleon> and i got dualcore graphics card
[00:37] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: nice.
[00:37] <revolverXD> hardcore :)
[00:37] <Bigleon> Pssh i got it free from Dell after chewing out 3 senior techs for being incompitent :D
[00:37] <revolverXD> lol
[00:38] <Bigleon> I am one of those kids who got my A+ cert before graudating HS>
[00:39] <revolverXD> well guys good night to you and thx for all the help will log on tommrow
[00:39] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: now to explain, Wubi does NOT mess w/ the Win bootloader or mbr or anything like that, but what it does is put a second entry into the Windoze boot loader to give the option of either OS at boot time.
[00:39] <revolverXD> oh bigleon gl with wubi
[00:40] <Bigleon> intresting Uboon... I'm installing now to try it out..
[00:40] <nUboon2Age> revolverXD: have a good one...
[00:41] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: and it comes w/ a one click uninstaller in case you want to dump it quickly/easily.
[00:42] <Bigleon_> how do i log into my nick?
[00:43] <Bigleon_> also to your response nUboon i got a 500g HD and can't wait to play with Kubuntu again.
[00:44] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon_: I'm using wubi to install kubuntu now since I hadn't really seen kubuntu yet.
[00:44] <zkriesse> Bigleon_: you mean auto identify?
[00:44] <Bigleon_> I love kubuntu
[00:44] <Bigleon_> Correct Zkriesse
[00:45] <zkriesse> Bigleon_: ok what chat program are you using?
[00:45] <Bigleon> Chatzilla
[00:45] <zkriesse> Ah
[00:46] <zkriesse> Ah don't know where it would be settings wise for auto identify but you can type /msg nickserv identify Bigleon password
[00:46] <Bigleon> Alright Zkriesse... i can figure out the rest...
[00:46] <zkriesse> :D
[00:46] <Bigleon> Bad Peerblock, no blocking kubuntu servers
[00:47] <Bigleon> i was like 2mb/s internet download time 6 days... O_o and i checked peerblock spammed with download attempts from Kubuntu installer.
[00:53] <Bigleon> rebooting BBS
[00:55] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: rebooting into kubuntu (different machine) now.  Also just saw something interesting called CoLinux
[01:01] <nUboon2Age> Does anyone know if there's a way to see the slideshow shown during installation (without installing again that is) later?
[01:02] <zkriesse> nUboon2Age: Don't know
[01:07] <Bigleon> Alright I have a problem... Kubuntu doesn't support my wireless card...
[01:08] <nUboon2Age> zkriesse: I found this at least:  http://dylanmccall.blogspot.com/2010/03/new-stuff-for-ubiquity-slideshow.html
[01:08] <Bigleon> I attempted the Scan procedure etc... anyone got any solutions that don't need me to manually connect?
[01:09] <Bigleon> any ideas?
[01:10] <Bigleon> otherwise I'll need to dig through my duffle bag and find my eithernet cable >.>
[01:11] <nUboon2Age> Bigleon: how did you do the scan? I just found that I could Manage Connections->Add->Scan and there was able to set up.
[01:11] <Bigleon> Thats what I did
[01:11] <Bigleon> I have an intergrated Wifi card which may be an issue
[01:12] <stlsaint> maybe
[01:12] <Bigleon> Let me go lookup wifi card maybe there is a reference page of linux support\
[01:13] <stlsaint> whats the specs on the wifi card?
[01:13] <Bigleon> it's intergrated Dell Wifi Card
[01:13] <Bigleon> I'm digging up exact specs (or trying) right now
[01:13] <stlsaint> whats the computer?
[01:13] <Bigleon> Dell Inspcrion I1764 I think... they didn't bother to put the model number on this one
[01:14] <stlsaint> nUboon2Age: its not a slideshow
[01:14] <Bigleon> brb...
[01:14] <stlsaint> unless your looking for the side info about how great ubuntu is during setup...then thats somewhere in the install device
[01:15] <Bigleon> back...
[01:15] <Bigleon> anybodyt know on Win7 how to get a read out of the devices and there names...
[01:15] <Bigleon> wait nevermind... forgot about device manager
[01:15] <stlsaint> Bigleon: theres device manager
[01:15] <stlsaint> kk
[01:15] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: the url I gave? no, but it has some of the slides.  The url it gives for the whole slideshow gives a 404 error
[01:17] <Bigleon> Wireless network card "Dell wireless 1397 WLAN mini-card"
[01:18] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: ok i just learned that technically its called ubiquity-slideshow-(ubuntu,kubuntu,xubuntu,mythbuntu)
[01:19] <nUboon2Age> stlsaint: zkriesse: at the bottom of this post it answers my original question; how can I see the slideshow again:  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-1004-installation-slideshow.html
[01:19] <stlsaint> Bigleon: this has a few possible solutions...starting with the kernel http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1352270
[01:21] <Bigleon> OOO one of the Guys are using my old laptop which means good news on making sure that is wifi comptable... (that pertains to a much ealier discussion)
[01:22] <Bigleon> looks like i gotta dig out my eithernet cable either way... ugh dell... must it be so complicated.
[01:22] <Bigleon> rebooting in linux BBS
[01:30] <bigleon> Sooo
[01:30] <bigleon> Can anyone scroll up to see that link given to me?
[01:32] <seidos> bigleon, which link?
[01:32] <bigleon> the one dealing with solution for Dell wireless card
 Bigleon: this has a few possible solutions...starting with the kernel http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1352270
[01:33] <bigleon> Thank you! Much appreciated.
[01:33] <seidos> good luck
[01:34] <bigleon> Worse case senario I might have to learn how to write one from scratch...
[01:34] <stlsaint> write a what?
[01:35] <bigleon> driver
[01:35] <stlsaint> aye
[01:35] <bigleon> i think  that would be a vauble experince none the less. But i'd rather not lol.
[01:35] <bigleon> if i don't have too.
[01:38] <bigleon> blah... *fail* i was like why won't it work... spelt Kernel Kernal
[01:38] <stlsaint> copy and paste is invaluable
[01:41] <bigleon> what is a "fakeroot"
[01:41] <bigleon> Setting up fakeroot (1.14.4-1ubuntu1) ...
[01:41] <bigleon> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/fakeroot-sysv to provide /usr/bin/fakeroot (fakeroot) in auto mode.
[01:42] <stlsaint> bigleon: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fakeroot
[01:42] <bigleon> >.>
[01:43] <bigleon> you got that permently in yoru Copybox eh?
[01:43] <stlsaint> bigleon: no, i googled for it
[01:43] <bigleon> It was a joke to imgtfy...
[01:44] <stlsaint> i thought i was pretty funny
[01:44] <bigleon> BBS got reboot to apply 200+ security updates and wifi stuff
[01:45] <stlsaint> DarkNemesis_: hello sara
[01:46] <stlsaint> wb bigleon
[01:46] <bigleon> Wow!! So nUboon2Age Wubi keeps your previous working boot saved sooo
[01:46] <bigleon> even if you mess up an update you have a bottable solution.
[01:47] <bigleon> boot*
[01:47] <stlsaint> odd choice of word
[01:48] <bigleon> odd choice?
[01:49] <stlsaint> bottable
[01:49] <bigleon> I ment to say Bootable*
[01:51] <bigleon> okay here is an issue when I am scrolling down.. and then page kinda splits all werid then letters become unreadble.
[01:53] <holstein> bigleon: in the browser i assume?
[01:54] <bigleon> So here is an issue installed bcmwl-kernel-source but wireless isn't working still...  I'm gonna pop over to kubuntu chat see if they have any solutions
[01:54] <bigleon> Yeah Holstein... I find that instead of scrolling, page down, it doesn't appear to do that
[01:54] <bigleon> I figure my video card isn't really supported on Debian.
[01:55] <holstein> you got compiz running?
[01:55] <bigleon> compiz?
[01:55] <holstein> desktop effects
[01:55] <holstein> !compiz
[01:55] <ubot2> Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz
[01:56] <holstein> bigleon: just a trouble shooting step that came to mind
[01:56] <holstein> it can be a drag when your hardware isnt supported
[01:58] <bigleon> Yeah Well i'm pretty sure i got ATI mobilty HD Card... MY pc is running a quard core, 2 for graphics and 2 for CPU
[02:00] <bigleon> How does one get to "hardware drivers menu"?
[02:00] <bigleon> nvm think i found it
[02:01] <stlsaint> bigleon: you knew to linux?
[02:01] <stlsaint> s/knew/new
[02:01] <bigleon> I've been playing on and off with it for 5 years
[02:01] <bigleon> Been about 8 months sense i last played with it on  8.10
[02:02] <stlsaint> s/sense/since
[02:02] <Scruffy113> Evenin'
[02:02] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: sup
[02:02] <bigleon> woo just found ATI has a driver support for debian :D!
[02:03]  * holstein has had decent luck with ATI
[02:05] <Scruffy113> Guys, if I install Ubuntu, can I switch back to using my previous without the installation CD?
[02:06] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: previous what?
[02:06] <Scruffy113> operating system
[02:06] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: what operating system?
[02:06] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: are you referring to a dual boot?
[02:07] <Scruffy113> At the moment I have Windows 7.
[02:07] <Scruffy113> I don't know, I'm not that handy with computers.
[02:07] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: you have two options...either do a wubi install or a dual boot...would you like me to google that for you?
[02:07] <stlsaint> :)
[02:08] <Scruffy113> Yes , please. :3
[02:09] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+wubi
[02:09] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: http://tinyurl.com/3525bga
[02:09] <Scruffy113> x)
[02:10] <holstein> Scruffy113: have you been running the live CD?
[02:10] <holstein> you can run that as much as you want
[02:10] <Scruffy113> The one for Ubuntu?
[02:10] <holstein> and revert back to windoze
[02:10] <Scruffy113> Sounds pretty cool.
[02:11] <holstein> you should boot the CD live anyway
[02:11] <holstein> and see how your hardware is supported
[02:11] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: dont mind me...just having some fun today!
[02:11] <holstein> WUBI is cool though
[02:11] <holstein> stlsaint: hehe
[02:12] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: as holstein said you can use the livecd and run ubuntu just as you would on an actual install and never have to mess with your windows install
[02:12] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: with the livecd you can surf the web, listen to music, install programs or whatever you want and once you remove the cd you boot right into windows7 with nothing changed!
[02:12] <Scruffy113> ..
[02:12] <Scruffy113> <3
[02:12] <holstein> a wubi install can be unsintalled like a windows program too
[02:12] <holstein> pretty easily reversable
[02:13] <holstein> but, if all you hardware is supported
[02:13] <holstein> and you like ubuntu
[02:13] <holstein> go for the dual boot at some point
[02:15] <Scruffy113> Hmm..
[02:15] <Scruffy113> So with dualboot, i get to choose an operating system when i turn on my PC
[02:16] <holstein> Scruffy113: yup
[02:16] <stlsaint> Scruffy113: yes
[02:16] <Scruffy113> With Wubi I run it like an Ubuntu emulator kind of program?
[02:16] <holstein> i wouldnt start there though
[02:16] <holstein> WUBI lets you choose to
[02:16] <holstein> Scruffy113: not really
[02:16] <holstein> wubi installs ubuntu onto your windows partition
[02:17] <holstein> and lets you keep it intact
[02:17] <holstein> with maybe a slight hit in performance
[02:18] <Scruffy113> So, what do you guys recommend I start with?
[02:18] <Scruffy113> The live-CD?
[02:18] <holstein> i would go.. live cd > wubi > dual boot > ubuntu alone
[02:18] <Scruffy113> Okay ^^
[02:19] <Scruffy113> But then, where would I get one of those CDs?
[02:19] <holstein> you can download it
[02:19] <holstein> and burn it with whatever program you burn CD's with
[02:20] <holstein> you'l download an 'image'
[02:20] <Scruffy113> An ISO?
[02:20] <holstein> a .iso file
[02:20] <Scruffy113> Okay.
[02:20] <holstein> and you'll 'copy' that to a blank CD
[02:21] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[02:21] <Scruffy113> Though then couldn't I just mount it with Daemon Tools, right?
[02:21] <holstein> you can do lots of things
[02:21] <Scruffy113> :3
[02:21] <holstein> you can run it inside virtual box
[02:21] <holstein> inside of windows
[02:21] <holstein> you can make a bootable USB stick
[02:21] <holstein> with unetbootin
[02:22] <holstein> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[02:22] <Scruffy113> Sounds awesome. o:
[02:22] <holstein> theres no rules about what you can and cant do with the .iso's
[02:24] <Scruffy113> Well, thanks a lot!
[02:25] <Scruffy113> If you would excuse me, I have a new operating system I must try out. :3
[02:25] <holstein> :)
[02:25] <Scruffy113> So long, niggaz.
[02:32] <stlsaint> he has potential for being banned...bright future here
[02:32] <pedro3005> stlsaint, who?
[02:33] <stlsaint> 21:25 < Scruffy113> So long, niggaz.
[02:34] <pedro3005> They'd ban someone over that?
[02:34] <pedro3005> pretty silly, IMO
[02:34] <stlsaint> pedro3005: well, not over that single action but repeatedly i would move for a temp ban
[02:35] <stlsaint> pedro3005: also im african american and though i dont take offense to ignorance i do when its in a support channel as such
[02:35] <pedro3005> stlsaint, I don't believe he was particularly trying to insult anyone.
[02:35] <holstein> probably just a kid
[02:35] <stlsaint> pedro3005: nor do i which is why i say not being banned on a single act...
[02:36] <holstein> trying to be cool
[02:36] <stlsaint> next time i see him i will ask him not to make remarks as such, if they stop then all is well. if not than........
[02:36] <stlsaint> holstein: i wouldnt doubt it
[02:37] <bigleon_> He did spell it with a Z afterall
[02:37] <bigleon_> lol
[02:38] <stlsaint> you guys would be amazed at what ive seen in irc channels!
[02:38] <bigleon_> I don't know about that?
[02:39] <pedro3005> my name generates insults from time to time, but I just shrug it off
[02:39] <ikt> your name generates insults?
[02:40] <stlsaint> pedro3005: you mean your not hispanic??
[02:40] <pedro3005> "dirty mexican" etc
[02:40] <pedro3005> to say the least
[02:40] <pedro3005> I'm from Brazil though
[02:41] <ikt> :(
[02:41] <pedro3005> some people are just ignorant
[02:41] <bigleon_> Google Chrome doesn't have a repository entry?
[02:42] <bigleon_> i knwo you can get firefox... but i heard Chrome was supported.
[02:43] <ikt> not without adding the repo afaik
[02:43] <stlsaint> bigleon_: its chromium
[02:43] <holstein> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[02:43] <stlsaint> oh boy we lost leon again
[02:43] <bigleon> Ohh fail on my part
[02:45] <bigleon> ehh i apt got chromium and got a shootem up space game >.> *fail's harder*
[02:45] <holstein> chromium-browser
[02:45] <holstein> ;)
[02:45]  * holstein did that too the first time
[02:45] <bigleon> i bet they get a lot of downloads hehe
[02:47] <bigleon> Blah forgot my google pword
[02:55] <bigleon> how can i adjust my webcam brightness I look like casper...
[03:51] <Fanshawe> Evening, all.
[03:52] <Fanshawe> Anybody fielding questions?
[03:53] <holstein> whats up?
[03:53] <geirha> Oh, that's a tough one.
[03:54] <geirha> Opposite of down.
[03:54] <Fanshawe> My problem's probably simple. 'Sound Preferences' doesn't open for me.
[03:55] <Fanshawe> I think it might have been since the update.
[03:55] <holstein> you have sound though?
[03:55] <Fanshawe> Yeah, the sound is fine.
[03:55] <holstein> hmmm
[03:55] <holstein> does alsamixer work?
[03:55] <Fanshawe> Yeah, it's strange.
[03:56] <holstein> i got a VIA netbook
[03:56] <holstein> and when i laungh sound preferences, it crashes my sound
[03:57] <geirha> Do you get any output if you run it from the terminal?  gnome-volume-control
[03:57] <Fanshawe> I'm using an ASUS Eee 900. Something about netbooks?
[03:57] <holstein> hmmm
[03:58] <holstein> my eee900 has always worked great
[03:58] <holstein> let me fire it up and check
[03:58] <Fanshawe> Oh damn. Now I feel silly, geirha. 'gnome-media' is not installed.
[03:59] <geirha> That may be a reason for it to not show up. :)
[04:00] <Fanshawe> No, it's installed and runs now.
[04:00] <Fanshawe> Thanks to you both.
[04:02] <Fanshawe> Just testing my sound to be sure...
[04:02] <Fanshawe> Yeah, I'm all good.  Surely it's standard? I must've done something...
[04:04] <geirha> Did it pull in any other packages when you installed it?
[04:05] <Fanshawe> No, it seems just that was missing.
[04:11] <Fanshawe> Well, thank you again. Time to lurk somewhere else.
[04:11] <stlsaint> Fanshawe: stop by anytime :D
[05:48] <bigleon> sigh...
[05:52] <bigleon> "Sir we preinstalled your PC with Windows 7 so you use Win 7 not some junk homebrew, we will not support this." So you is gonna take my lappy away O-o *sigh* one day the world will be linux friendly... Back to trouleshooting table.
[05:53] <bigleon> Well before i rage, Driver # 2 attempt needs a reboot... anybody know a nifty terminal shortcut so i don't need to do a full system reboot?
[05:54] <stlsaint> bigleon: yea
[05:54] <bigleon> Yea what saint?
[05:54] <stlsaint> bigleon: you running ubuntu?
[05:54] <bigleon> Kubuntu
[05:55] <bigleon> I don't like gnome interface >.>
[05:55] <stlsaint> bigleon: does kubuntu run kde?
[05:55] <bigleon> Yeah
[05:55] <stlsaint> bigleon: well in ubuntu the command is: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart...so kde would prolly be /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:01] <bigleon> *headdesk* No progress :(
[06:01] <bigleon> Alright...
[06:02] <bigleon> Well back to square one...
[06:18] <Fanshawe> Hey, had another question for those still live.
[06:18] <bigleon> I'm around, i'll try to help.
[06:19] <Fanshawe> Great. I wanted to mount partitions automatically on startup.
[06:20] <Fanshawe> How do I go about this?
[06:20] <bigleon> O-o that is beyond me...
[06:20] <Fanshawe> No problem, I'll ask around.
[06:21] <bigleon> Sorry. Good luck!
[06:21] <stlsaint> Fanshawe: hey
[06:21] <stlsaint> Fanshawe: you need to mount them in /etc/fstab
[06:22] <bigleon> stlsaint How would i go about uninstalling or "blacklisting drivers" to prevent them from loading... command i got is: "echo "blacklist ssb" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf" but even with sudo i get a permisson deined
[06:22] <stlsaint> do you have a video group?
[06:22] <stlsaint> run in terminal : groups
[06:22] <Fanshawe> Thanks very much, stlsaint. Giving it a try.
[06:23] <bigleon> Video groups O-o? what
[06:23] <stlsaint> Fanshawe: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[06:24] <stlsaint> bigleon: did you run the command in the terminal?
[06:24] <bigleon> Groups? Yes I got 8 entries
[06:24] <bigleon> but no "video" entry
[06:25] <stlsaint> Bodsda: can you get to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf file?
[06:26] <stlsaint> bigleon: ^^^
[06:26] <stlsaint> sorry bodsda
[06:27] <bigleon> I was like why you asking hiim <confused> lol One sec
[06:27] <bigleon> one sec let me go back to root dir, that could be the issue
[06:27] <stlsaint> bigleon: just run: gksudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[06:28] <bigleon> I'm on kubuntu but one sec let me apget gksu
[06:29] <bigleon> done
[06:29] <bigleon> attempting command again
[06:29] <bigleon> for KDe it's sudo kate
[06:30] <stlsaint> bigleon: kk sudo kate the file
[06:30] <bigleon> alright...
[06:30] <bigleon> what do i do now to black list all b43 and ssb drivers
[06:31] <stlsaint> add the line: blacklist ssb to the file
[06:31] <bigleon> Alright
[06:32] <stlsaint> then you must remove it from the kernel
[06:32] <bigleon> How?
[06:32] <stlsaint> modprobe -r ssb
[06:32] <bigleon> module is still in use
[06:34] <stlsaint> bigleon: are you sure you blacklisted it correctly?
[06:35] <bigleon> black listed then saved it
[06:35] <bigleon> doesn't it only prevent from loading
[06:35] <bigleon> if module is already loaded i doubt it would turn it off
[06:37] <stlsaint> yea i was gonna suggest a reboot but then you need to install the new driver
[06:37] <stlsaint> bigleon: better yet install the new driver then reboot
[06:37] <stlsaint> bigleon: but before reboot run that modprobe command again
[06:37] <bigleon> still in use
[06:37] <bigleon> attempting reboot
[06:38] <stlsaint> bigleon: install the new driver first
[06:38] <bigleon> alright
[06:39] <bigleon> rebooting
[06:42] <bigleon> oh boy it appears now my computer doesn't reconize if i have a wireless card *cry*
[06:42] <bigleon> *loads hardware drivers* maybe it just didn't load
[06:43] <bigleon> worse case senario i nuke this install and start with a freshkubuntu and hopefully a working wifi driver
[06:44] <bigleon> enabled driver (wireless buttons hows up now to be enabled) but it's grayed out
[06:49] <bigleon> whats kde verison for the "do" command i got a syntax error
[06:49] <bigleon> Error: "bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'"  Command they wanted me to do "# sh: for i in `find /lib /var -name wl\.ko`; do mv $i ${i}.orig; done"
[06:56] <stlsaint> night folks
[07:05] <geirha> find /lib /var -name wl.ko -exec sh -c 'mv "$1" "$1.orig"' _ {} \;
[07:06] <geirha> That's a proper way to do it.  for i in `find blah` is bad
[07:07] <geirha> find /lib /var -name wl.ko -exec sh -c 'mv -v "$1" "$1.orig"' _ {} \;
[07:07] <geirha> to make it verbose
[07:10] <geirha> Even though that code was bad, I don't see why you'd get that error.
[07:13] <Puck`> good morning
[07:18] <bigleon> I think you just  made my day geirha..
[07:18] <bigleon> maybe
[07:18] <bigleon> trying out your suggestion
[07:19] <bigleon> Thanks it worked
[07:19] <bigleon> now let me reboot and hope wireless driver is up and going
[12:10] <JTFirefly> i've got a problem with audio on a laptop using 10.04. i've got external speakers attached, but the sound's always coming from both the internal and external speakers. how do i activate the internal speakers? or, better yet, is there a way to configure ubuntu so that the internal speakers will automatically be muted if external speakers are plugged in?
[12:51] <KaanSK> Hi there.i need help with partitioning.who can help?
[12:52] <KaanSK> ?
[12:53] <duanedesign> hello KaanSK
[12:53] <duanedesign> what about partitioning do you need help with?
[12:55] <KaanSK> i have a 120 gb harddisk and partitions that i had created are; 30gb windows area,25gb for linux,60gb archieve and 2 gb swap area
[12:55] <KaanSK> the problem is
[12:55] <KaanSK> i reinstalled windows and formatted the windows partition
[12:56] <KaanSK> then i began to install ubuntu
[12:56] <KaanSK> but it seems ubuntu doesnt recognise any partitions
[12:56] <KaanSK> moreover i cant get my old ext4 systems recognized by windws
[12:57] <KaanSK> now i can just use my archieve and windows partitions
[12:57] <duanedesign>  when you reinstalled windows you probably installed over GRUB
[12:57] <KaanSK> yeah i knew it and i wanted to reinstall the linux after windows to reconfigure it
[12:58] <KaanSK> but ubuntu setup wont see any partitions
[12:58] <KaanSK> just the whole harddisk
[12:58] <duanedesign> KaanSK: hmmm.
[12:59] <KaanSK> what should i do to get ubuntu setup tool recognize my partitions that i created for linux?
[12:59] <KaanSK> how to mount?
[13:02] <duanedesign> KaanSK:  is this Windows7?
[13:02] <revolverXD> i think something like that happend to me when i installed ubuntu
[13:02] <KaanSK> winXP
[13:02] <revolverXD> the partition was not in fat 32
[13:03] <KaanSK> all my partitions are ntfs
[13:03] <KaanSK> and the problem started after formatting with winxp cd
[13:05] <revolverXD> what i did to solve the problem was to partition and format a whole chunk of my hd to fat 32 and solved the problem but im not sure it will work in your case :\
[13:05] <KaanSK> so,i have a 25 gb ext4 area(already installed ubuntu) but ubuntu setup wont recognise neither that nor other partitions.
[13:06] <KaanSK> just the whole 120gb area
[13:07] <duanedesign> KaanSK: I would try reinstalling GRUB. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[13:08] <duanedesign> KaanSK: are you using a LiveCD to install Ubuntu?
[13:09] <KaanSK> i have a install ubuntu.and one other problem is i cant use "try ubuntu"option integrated to it.it just halts after initializing
[13:10] <KaanSK> i can give grub a try but actually it doesnt see my partitions and for thet wouldnt it be useless?
[13:17] <KaanSK> I've used testdisk and I'm rebooting my system to find out whether it worked
[13:17] <KaanSK> thanks for comments
[13:22] <Fanshawe> Hey all. Back with another question.
[13:27] <Fanshawe> Having trouble connecting to my Hotmail account via Evolution.
[13:32] <Fanshawe> Alright, might as well say. I'm getting the error "please log in with USER first" whenever trying to access my Hotmail account through Evolution. What does this mean, and why doesn't it accept my password?
[13:42] <revolverXD> can some one tell me the equivalent command in linux to :tracert,netstat.netsh,ftp,netstat ?
[13:45] <revolverXD> or at least point me to a site that translate windows command line commands to linux one's?
[13:58] <duanedesign> Fanshawe: not sure if these are current instructions but it might give you asn idea of what is going on  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingHotmailWithEvolution
[13:59] <Fanshawe> Thanks. I'll take a look,
[13:59] <duanedesign> revolverXD: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/unix_for_dos_users.html
[14:00] <duanedesign> revolverXD: here is a smaller list. http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.2-Manual/getting-started-guide/ch-doslinux.html
[14:03] <revolverXD> ah thx m8 L)
[14:03] <revolverXD> :)
[14:07] <Fanshawe>  Thanks duanedesign. I missed the encryption (so many guides have stated not to use any).
[14:07] <Fanshawe> It's now working.
[14:10] <duanedesign> Fanshawe: did you find that guide included everything? Or does it need updating?
[14:11] <duanedesign> just curious. Try and keep the wiki as updated as possible :)
[14:12] <Fanshawe> It's hard to tell, I'm afraid. I've taken bits and pieces from so  many guides. But the settings in that guide are working.
[14:16] <duanedesign> Fanshawe: ha ha, yeah that happens. Glad it is working nonetheless
[14:26] <zkriesse> hello Galen
[14:28] <Galen> zkriese: hello
[17:06] <ronaldo_> hello
[17:11] <ronaldo_> hello suprengr
[17:12] <suprengr> ronaldo_:  hiya.. just lookin in...
[17:12] <collinp> Hey suprengr.
[17:13] <suprengr> ChanServ: hi to all
[17:14] <mohi1> suprengr, ChanServ will not respond to you :P
[17:15] <suprengr> really... neva woulda known that ;) [i was tabbing thru names but got wrong one]
[17:15] <suprengr> mohi1: ...& hi
[17:16] <mohi1> =] suprengr sup?
[17:16] <suprengr> mohi1:  que???
[17:17] <mohi1> whats up suprengr? :)
[17:19] <suprengr> mohi1:  oh... nowt.. just watchin a few channels.... unless anyone here's got info on firrefox / ooo system font settings of course?
[17:19] <mohi1> suprengr, font setting for your OSX or for firefox?
[17:19] <hobgoblin> what's up with the fonts suprengr
[17:20] <suprengr> mohi1:  soz, firefox / openoffice.org
[17:20] <mohi1> Yay hobgoblin =] I ll brb. Help him ;)
[17:21] <hobgoblin> mohi1: you only come back when the help is finished :)
[17:21] <mohi1> lol I was with a person having trouble in installing package in -team :D
[17:22] <hobgoblin> mohi1: as I do not go there I can believe or disbelieve that statement lol
[17:22] <hobgoblin> suprengr: so what's up with the fonts?
[17:22] <suprengr> mohi1: I use a few [5] KDE apps in Ubuntu and have done so without probs through 3 versions now... this this i actually tried ONE KDE  session and now I@m stuck with firfox and open office using KDE font for their sys default and revert ;(
[17:25] <hobgoblin> suprengr: I am getting similar issues here actually - vbox is using a qt mouse cursor it seems - I've not got to the bottom of it yet
[17:25] <suprengr> mohi1:  [i'll spell that all less quickly]  I use a few [5] KDE apps in Ubuntu and have done so without probs through 3 versions now... this time i actually tried ONE KDE desktop session and now I am stuck with firefox and open office using KDE font for their sys default and can't revert ;(
[17:25] <mohi1> hobgoblin, see PM and you ll believe me ;)
[17:26] <suprengr> hobgoblin: my sympathies.. i know how it feels
[17:26] <hobgoblin> mohi1: never take me seriously :) or not often anyway - you'll know when too :)
[17:26] <mohi1> hobgoblin, i know you was kidding :P
[17:26] <Silver_Fox_> Was he...
[17:26] <Silver_Fox_> Mwahahaha
[17:26] <mohi1> suprengr, had you tried the mouse scroll??
[17:27] <hobgoblin> suprengr: I also had the same with amarok - as it stands I'm not going to be much help as I just put up with it now as I have nothing else like it
[17:27]  * mohi1 stares at Silver_Fox_
[17:27]  * Silver_Fox_ can stare all day
[17:27] <mohi1> awww Silver_Fox_ go to work :P
[17:27] <suprengr> mohi1:  why the mouse scroll?
[17:27]  * hobgoblin pokes mohi1 in the eye with a sharp tree
[17:27] <mohi1> Ouch that hurts
[17:29] <suprengr> mohi1: [just tried mouse scroll -s'all ok] ta
[17:29] <mohi1> suprengr, the font size of the letters you type is the one you are talking about?
[17:29] <mohi1> Silver_Fox_, hobgoblin any of you saw the compiz bug?
[17:30] <hobgoblin> mohi1: it seems that kde apps don't take the gnome fonts now when installed in gnome - nor mouse cursor
[17:30] <hobgoblin> mohi1: I don't use it so would not notice
[17:30] <suprengr> mohi1:  the menus, the general appearance and, in firefox the default font for display!  In oo it's the menus and appearance ... doc fonts all ok.
[17:30] <Silver_Fox_> compiz is overated and causes more issues than installation is worth
[17:30] <Silver_Fox_> CLI is where it is at
[17:31] <hobgoblin> pfft - only when you used to have to install beryl
[17:32] <mohi1> ahha
[17:32] <Silver_Fox_> Beryl was EPIC
[17:32]  * Silver_Fox_ loved her
[17:32] <Silver_Fox_> Then she got dumped :'(
[17:33] <suprengr> mohi1:  for info: i have actually removed ALL traces of KDE from /home & /usr/share AND run sudo apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5-data followed by re-start. All tna [to no affect]
[17:33]  * mohi1 alters Beryl and gives her to Silver_Fox_ ;)
[17:34] <mohi1> suprengr, i got no ideat other than what you had already done. lemme surf a bit
[17:34] <suprengr> mohi1: [hope Berylb enjoyed it ;D]
[17:44] <revolverXD> hi guys by any chance anyone was able to install the latest itunes on ubuntu?
[17:45] <holstein> is that for syncing revolverXD ?
[17:45] <revolverXD> nah for updating the iphone for syncing i use rhytembox
[17:47] <revolverXD> i read i was possible to install itunes 7 using wine i just wanted to know if the same procuder works for the lates itunes too
[17:47] <mohi1> revolverXD, Rythmbox is not enough for ya??
[17:47] <revolverXD> it*
[17:48] <revolverXD> lol the problem with rythembox is that i cant update the firmware of the phone with it
[17:48] <revolverXD> and we dont have itunes on the phone working here :\
[17:48] <holstein> im not sure if itunes in WINE can handle the firmware updated
[17:49] <holstein> update*
[17:49] <suprengr> mohi1: you still there?
[17:49] <holstein> i always check http://www.winehq.org/
[17:49] <holstein> or i just try it
[17:49] <revolverXD> oh well guess i will just install a VMware and see if that works
[17:50] <revolverXD> yeah i tried it and it kept on crushing
[17:50] <mohi1> suprengr, still now fount nothing other than what you have already done :(
[17:50] <mohi1> found*
[17:50] <holstein> revolverXD: if you can get USB support to the guest
[17:50] <holstein> thats the way to go i think
[17:51] <suprengr> mohi1:  it's just a thought, but.... what would be the effect of: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[17:51] <mohi1> suprengr, you are in gnome right?
[17:52] <revolverXD> i will try that the, thx
[17:52] <revolverXD> then*
[17:52] <mohi1> suprengr, what you said is nothing but installing GNOME to your machine
[17:52] <suprengr> mohi1: are there any other useable distros???? ;D   YES... tried KDE once, that was enough ;d
[17:53] <mohi1> suprengr, what you mean by "usable Distros"? explain it please
[17:53] <suprengr> mohi1:  yup.... including Gnome system fonts for apps perhaps????
[17:54] <mohi1> suprengr, you are in lucid right!!
[17:56] <suprengr> mohi1: Definitely in Lucid. re distros... I need / use Ubuntu for specific reasons... tried others [via live CD's]... none met what I [personal opinion only] wanted.  Have stayed with Ubuntu thru 3 versions.  I occasionally give help for XFCE and run classes for the dreaded Ms Windows..  Does tyhat help explain?
[17:58] <mohi1> suprengr, what personnaly you want a distro to be?? design it by yourself coz you have the power to do that ;)
[17:58] <suprengr> mohi1: [wen u support windows you dont want it at home - helps keep sanity that way [which is hard enough when you're from another planet in the first place ;)
[17:59] <mohi1> ahhh
[18:00] <hobgoblin> suprengr: try having a look at this - specifically #7 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1206598
[18:01] <suprengr> hobgoblin: will do...
[18:01] <mohi1> now i can see where hobgoblin went
[18:02] <hobgoblin> suprengr: I've not bothered to see if it works myself as it is only vbox here causing the issue - but if it does let me know :)
[18:02] <hobgoblin> mohi1: that's a fail - I only just now went to look properly - 3rd or 4th hit :)
[18:03] <mohi1> eh
[18:03]  * mohi1 failed in guessing :(
[18:05] <hobgoblin> mohi1 did - I've been doing what andy williams sung about
[18:06] <mohi1> :o
[18:18] <akkan84> i have a problem with kernel 2.33.4 on ssd harddrive...everything go back on cold boot
[18:23] <bigleon> afternoon everyone. Hey Zkriesse :D
[18:24] <suprengr> mohi1: hobgoblin:  just done it - soz for the delay - it has helped a bit - given a couple of the KDE apps in use more of a Lucid look.  Re Firefox and Open Office -menus not changed... but at the end of the day it's only an annoyance, not a show stopper.
[18:25] <hobgoblin> suprengr: I never had an issue with ff or oo
[18:27] <suprengr> yeh... lucky you... but as mentioned, it's an annoyance not a show stopper - nice to a bit more control of the KDE apps needed though.  c Thanks for that.
[18:27] <hobgoblin> suprengr: have you been into the oo options at all?
[18:28] <suprengr> hobgoblin:  yeh... and firefox about:config - the settings shown match those of an unchanged system [I also have a netbook running UNE and have compared]
[18:31] <hobgoblin> suprengr: ok - sorry then - not going to be any help I think
[18:33] <suprengr> hobgoblin: hey... you WERE a help [got more control of required KDE apps in use] - The rest... there's plenty with worse probs than that!
[18:34] <hobgoblin> oh yea  - forgot that bit lol
[18:34] <suprengr> hobgoblin: c u later - thanks.
[19:40] <zkriesse> hello Kuser25 how are you today?
[19:40] <zkriesse> ok....he's out
[20:13] <bigleon> Hey folks I need somehelp networking... I've been working on this 2 days strait. I have a Dell Wireless 1397(Broadcom 4312) ... I ran "Rfkill" and i got "1:phy1: wireless LAN software blocked: yes" I've gotten wireless to work twice but it locks up system after areboot (i'm on my 3rd reinstall started with kubuntu, and ecided to go with ubuntu hoping it was more stable.) Other points of intrest i'm using a Wubi install.
[22:17] <revolverXD> hello guys has anyone ever updated his/her iphone using VM virtualbox ? cause i tried and now my iphone is bricked :\
[22:19] <pleia2> revolverXD: yikes, I don't have any experience with it, but when did the bricking happen? After the update? during? after a reboot?
[22:20] <Silver_Fox_> IOS4 update was it ?
[22:20] <Silver_Fox_> And hey pleia2  =]
[22:20] <pleia2> hey Silver_Fox_ :)
[22:20] <revolverXD> during the update the phone was runing and all was ok and then it finished the download and it lost its connection to the VM :\
[22:21] <Silver_Fox_> Does itunes recognise it when plugged in ?
[22:21] <revolverXD> and yeah the IOS4 update damn apple making my lfie hard
[22:21] <Silver_Fox_> Just thinking you could restore to factory settings.  I bet that would wipe all the data though,  so not ideal
[22:22] <Silver_Fox_> So WAIT  a minute before even considering that
[22:22] <revolverXD> i have to somehow enable the usb allways in the VM but i dont have an idea how to do it
[22:23] <revolverXD> oh i read somewhere that i need to make the iphone availbale for some group named Vboxuser or something along the line
[22:24] <revolverXD> is ther
[22:25] <revolverXD> is there any manual way to force VM to recognize usb?
[22:31] <revolverXD> damn i will be forced to install windows 7 again the way it is going and deal with all the horror of recovering grub afterwards
[22:36] <revolverXD> can anyone help me to join a group named vboxusers and lp plz? it probably my last chance to recover the phone
[22:39] <kermiac> revolverXD: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB should help you
[22:40] <revolverXD> thx m8 :)
[22:41] <kermiac> np :)
[22:47] <revolverXD1> and its alive :)
[22:47] <revolverXD1> and restoring :)
[22:48] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[22:48] <revolverXD1> once again i escaped the talons of windows on my pc :)
[23:00] <revolverXD1> hm its like the iphone is changing usb identity all the time and the recovery process is broken
[23:01] <revolverXD1> im sorry for nagging guys but can someone explain to me what i need to do according to this site:http://www.rjsteinert.com/node/6 ?
[23:01] <revolverXD1> http://www.rjsteinert.com/node/6
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> revolverXD1: the OP on the wiki got a new phone
[23:05] <ddecator> heh
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> mac is not very Linux friendly I am afraid
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> The good news is you can often find comparable hardware for half the cost
[23:06] <revolverXD1> damn ... makes me wana bang my head in the keyboard :\
[23:06] <revolverXD1> you think the closed source VM will solve that?
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> Probably not, VM do  not directly use hardware, so if the host OS does not recognize the device , the VM is unlikely to either
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> you can try revolverXD1 , you have nothing to loose
[23:09] <revolverXD1> the host does recognize :) the problem is that the phone changes it's id in the middle of the upgrade process and i dont have an idea how to make a static id for it
[23:12] <revolverXD1> guess i need to change its name to Ibricked :\
[23:22] <revolverXD1> a little stupid question i gave the lsusb command and gave the output
[23:22] <revolverXD1> Bus 002 Device 013: ID 05ac:1281 Apple, Inc
[23:22] <revolverXD1> is 1281 is the iphone port?
[23:29] <revolverXD1> ok i made that work now i need to make a post about it somewhere to save other ppl the misery :\
[23:30] <SimonP86> hello, I wish to view a PS document from the terminal
[23:30] <SimonP86> please could someone tell me which application I can use to do so?
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> SimonP86: PS document ?
[23:59] <bodhi_zazen> Did you try nano or vim ?


[15:23] <bdrung> nigelb: what do you think about the new look: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bdrung/sponsoring/


[12:32] <alefteris> any easy way for making round corners?
[12:34] <troy_s> alefteris: Another trick question
[12:34] <troy_s> yes... click 'ROUNDED' up top
[12:34] <troy_s> :)
[12:35] <troy_s> then drag the upper right corner 'circular' handle to control the radius (ctrl click to symmetrically adjust them)
[12:40] <alefteris> cant find the ROUNDED, where can i find it? and this is a newbe question
[12:40] <TheSheep_> alefteris: when you select rectangles
[12:41] <TheSheep_> alefteris: and you draw a rectangle
[12:41] <TheSheep_> alefteris: there is a small circle in one of the corners
[12:41] <TheSheep_> alefteris: drag and drop it
[12:42] <alefteris> aha, can't i modify it afterwards? only at creation time?
[12:42] <TheSheep_> alefteris: you can do it afterwards too, you just need to have the rectangle tool selected
[12:42] <troy_s> you can modify it as long as you want
[12:42] <troy_s> as long as you don't turn it into a spline
[12:43] <troy_s> just select the rectangle tool and the option should become available
[12:43] <troy_s> if you are going to use inkscape
[12:43] <troy_s> i encourage you to compile your own current version
[12:43] <alefteris> ok i found it :)
[12:44] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HowToCompileInkscape
[12:44] <troy_s> you get many new tools
[12:51] <alefteris> troy_s, can i round only the top corners and not the bottom ones?
[12:53] <troy_s> alefteris: Yes.
[12:54] <troy_s> i think so anyways, otherwise get your radius
[12:54] <troy_s> and overlay a square rectangle on it or clip it
[12:54] <troy_s> ('it' being the bottom)
[12:55] <alefteris> this is what im trying to fix http://imagebin.org/7717
[12:56] <troy_s> what?
[12:56] <troy_s> i got nothing
[12:56] <alefteris> trying to make it look like those computer stikers :)
[12:56] <troy_s> oh.
[12:56] <TheSheep_> troy_s:  You must have automake less than 1.9.0 or newer than 1.9.6
[12:56] <TheSheep_> troy_s: maybe next time ;)
[12:57] <troy_s> TheSheep_: Hrm?
[12:57] <troy_s> That would be a new error.  Add it and see if it works, then fix the wiki.
[12:58] <TheSheep_> well, since I have automake 1.9.6 I'm just going to call it a day
[12:59] <troy_s> TheSheep_: Just add 1.8
[12:59] <troy_s> or whatever
[12:59] <troy_s> it works flawlessly
[12:59] <troy_s> so don't sweat it.
[01:05] <TheSheep_> :)
[01:07] <troy_s> So is the automake an issue according to that howto?
[01:08] <alefteris> the rounded corners look bad at the exported png, as if they are thicker than the rest of the borders
[01:08] <troy_s> that's the antialiasing i suspect
[01:11] <alefteris> anything i can do for it?
[01:27] <alefteris> i dropted the rounder corners :) couldn't make them look good :( https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-el
[01:36] <troy_s> alefteris:  If you are dumping to PNG
[01:37] <troy_s> you should probably save your svg then import it into GIMP (either export the png or use the gimp-svg package)
[01:37] <troy_s> then you can 'tweak' the roundeds
[01:37] <troy_s> generally, the antialiasing isn't too severe unless the lines are very very thin
[06:51] <PWill> anyone know why art.ubuntu.com's ftp is down?


[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:46] <BigWhale> Good Morning. :)
[23:12] <OSIEL> i need help for create the locoteam for my country Cuba
[23:16] <OSIEL> we have the mailing list, and the irc channel, what more need to appear in the list of teams?
[23:23] <genii-around> OSIEL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
[23:25] <GatoLoko^> you don't need to get approved to get listed
[23:25] <GatoLoko^> to appear in the list, the team needs to be registered in launchpad
[23:26] <genii-around> GatoLoko^: Ah, thanks for the correction!
[23:27] <GatoLoko^> in fact the list itselfs shows unnaproved teams with a grey logo, and approved ones with colored logo
[23:29] <GatoLoko^> quoting the loco howto: "To get your new team listed on the LoCo Team Portal, Make sure your team is a member of Ubuntu Local Community Teams in Launchpad. The LoCo Team Portal should do its magic and have your team available for sharing."
[23:29] <GatoLoko^> OSIEL, you may want to read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
[23:35] <OSIEL> yes , i read that
[23:37] <OSIEL> we create all the resources as stated in article
[23:38] <OSIEL> but not listed in loco team page
[23:42] <GatoLoko^> I supose the loco portal will take a while to update
[23:43] <GatoLoko^> it's probably checking for changes once every X time, so you may have to wait for the next check
[23:47] <GatoLoko^> he left, if he is talking about ~ubuntu.cuba, he forgot to make it a member of Ubuntu Local Community Teams


[11:33] <ddstreet> fyi for anyone here for the DMB meeting, it's been moved to later today, at 14:00 UTC
[13:50] <teward> ddstreet: correct me if i'm wrong but that's in 10 minutes?
[13:50] <ddstreet> correct
[13:51] <teward> 👍
[13:57] <ddstreet> o/
[13:57]  * ddstreet coffee
[14:00] <amurray> o/
[14:00] <sil2100> o/
[14:00] <sil2100> Am I the chair today?
[14:01] <rafaeldtinoco> o/
[14:01] <sil2100> ...I assume yes
[14:01] <sil2100> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[14:01] <meetingology> Meeting started at 14:01:55 UTC.  The chair is sil2100.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[14:02] <sil2100> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:02] <sil2100> ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)  <- ddstreet any progress on this?
[14:02] <ddstreet> sorry no :(
[14:02] <ddstreet> carry over again plz
[14:02] <sil2100> #action ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[14:02] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[14:02] <sil2100> Ok, quick one
[14:02] <sil2100> ddstreet add mhcerri to dkms packageset team <- I assume this is done?
[14:03] <ddstreet> yep
[14:03] <sil2100> Excellent
[14:03] <teward> o/
[14:03] <sil2100> Ah, just remembered we were supposed to first review the candidates today
[14:03] <teward> here but was on a call.
[14:03] <sil2100> So let's get back to this later, first doing the candidate review
[14:03] <teward> sil2100: going through the current actions and checking off or continuing should be fine
[14:03] <teward> unless we need to do the review first :)
[14:03] <teward> (my morning cleared because of $ILLNESS in the other people so i have the whole hour)
[14:03] <sil2100> We need to since some people only have 30 minutes, that was the request
[14:03] <teward> 👍
[14:04] <rafaeldtinoco> sil2100: yep, tku
[14:04] <sil2100> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[14:04] <sil2100> #subtopic Alex Murray
[14:04] <sil2100> amurray: o/
[14:04] <sil2100> amurray: can you please introduce yourself?
[14:05] <sil2100> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexMurray/CoreDevApplication
[14:05] <sil2100> #link https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=alex.murray%40canonical.com&sponsoree_search=email
[14:05] <amurray> hey - so I've been a member of the Ubuntu Security team for the past 3 years, working on security updates plus merges and other bits here and there
[14:06] <amurray> (new versions of apparmor, SRUs of libseccomp etc as within the security teams purview)
[14:06] <amurray> plus various features like the adduser/shadow changes for private home dirs in 21.04 etc
[14:07] <sil2100> Ok, thanks! Let's move to questions
[14:07] <teward> me first
[14:08] <sil2100> We can always ask questions simultaneously, so everyone feel free to send your questions o/
[14:09] <teward> amurray: I noticed a *large* portion of your contributions are targeted to -security (and -updates accordingly), which are processed through the Security team PPA and not direct uploads.  Comparatively, you have a *very* small number of uploads that needed sponsored otherwise.  I also see limited work on test hinting, unblocking proposed, seeds, lib transitions, etc. - all skills we expect CoreDev to know/understand.
[14:10] <teward> Why do you specifically want Core Dev, in your own words, and how would it benefit you, as the vast majority of your contribs seem to pass via the Security PPA instead (which has different processes)?
[14:10] <teward> Also, have you given any thought towards looking at the other items I mentioned (which cpaelzer has mentioned as well in one of the areas you should improve in)
[14:10] <rafaeldtinoco> (Also considering you are applying because, in your words, you want to eliminate delays and reduce burden to sponsors)
[14:10] <sil2100> amurray: can you give us an example of some proposed-migration work you have been doing with either your upload or an upload from someone else? What does 'proposed-migration' mean and what things there need attention?
[14:11] <amurray> teward: sure, so for myself - as an example - when doing the recent libseccomp SRUs, these trigger a heap of other autopkgtests which are often flaky and either take a number of retriggers to get them to pass OR hints - so it was often quite time consuming to have to ask and chase up others just to retrigger these along the way
[14:13] <amurray> also as part of the security team, for most updates via -security for the stable releases there is usually a corresponding update for devel - it would be quite beneficial to have someone else on our team who can sponsor these on behalf of others since at the moment there is only one of us who is coredev
[14:15] <amurray> sil2100: proposed-migration is the process for packages to migrate from proposed to release/-updates depending on whether is devel or a stable release - my understanding is this involves resolving any failing autopkgtests for the package OR packages which depend on it and hence get triggered by it - and also any bugs which are tagged as blocking - so say for SRUs this would be doing testing and marking as ver
[14:15] <amurray> attention to all these things (failing tests, blocker bugs)
[14:15] <teward> amurray: message cutoff @ "so say for SRUs this would be doing testing and marking as ver..."
[14:16] <teward> thanks for answering my question.
[14:21] <sil2100> amurray: do you know if there's any other type of 'testing' that's performed on the packages when they're in -proposed for the devel series? Can a package be blocked in -proposed without any 'blocker' bugs and test failures?
[14:22] <ddstreet> fyi all, amurray just pinged me to say his internet connection died, he's trying to reconnect with phone tethering
[14:22] <sil2100> Oh crap
[14:23] <amurray> sorry folks I just had an internet outage - sorry if I missed anything - I see a q from sil2100 re other types of testing for proposed
[14:23] <sil2100> Yes, I don't think there was any other new questions so far
[14:23] <sil2100> Can you answer that follow up question of mine?
[14:23] <rafaeldtinoco> 11:21 AM <sil2100> amurray: do you know if there's any other type of 'testing' that's performed on the packages when they're in -proposed for the devel series? Can a package be blocked in -proposed without any 'blocker' bugs and test failures?
[14:23] <rafaeldtinoco> if you lost it
[14:24] <amurray> sil2100: hmm I know there's also component-mismatches so that if say a new dependency was needed for a package in main and the dependency was in universe that may block it
[14:25] <sil2100> Yes, there's that as well for instance
[14:25] <teward> amurray: you also had a message cutoff earlier
[14:25] <teward> in your reply to sil: > and also any bugs which are tagged as blocking - so say for SRUs this would be doing testing and marking as ver...
[14:25] <teward> so wasn't sure if you need to finish that statement :)
[14:26] <amurray> so say for this would be doing testing and marking as verified etc - so need to pay attention to all these things (failing tests, blocker bugs)
[14:27] <amurray> teward: did you get my response re hints-ubuntu and library transitions etc?
[14:27] <teward> yep
[14:27] <teward> um... wait.
[14:27] <teward> *checks*
[14:27]  * sil2100 has no more questions
[14:27] <teward> i got the one about the SRUs and autopkgtests and the note about only one on Security having coredev
[14:27] <teward> but not the hints, transitions part.
[14:27] <teward> think your net exploded right then ;)
[14:28] <amurray> teward: sorry I realised I missed part of your question - so I have been trying to look at getting more exposure to these other parts, for example I more recently made my first contribution to hints-ubuntu
[14:28] <amurray> I haven't done any library transitions though nor had the opportunity to have to get my hands dirty with seeds yet but I would not shy away from the challenges
[14:28]  * rafaeldtinoco starting parallel meeting in 2 min (but will be able to vote on highlight)
[14:28]  * rafaeldtinoco no questions from me
[14:28] <teward> amurray: thanks for your response.
[14:28] <teward> no more questions from me.
[14:28] <amurray> (but if I had to dive into these things I would be sure to reach out to others to get guidance)
[14:28] <sil2100> Any other questions from remaining members?
[14:28] <ddstreet> no q from me
[14:29] <sil2100> #vote Alex Murray for Core Developer membership
[14:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: Alex Murray for Core Developer membership
[14:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[14:30] <teward> +1 provided that Alex asks questions from other more experienced coredevs if he doesn't know the next thing to do
[14:30] <meetingology> +1 provided that Alex asks questions from other more experienced coredevs if he doesn't know the next thing to do received from teward
[14:30] <teward> rafaeldtinoco: ^^
[14:31] <ddstreet> +1 good endorsements, and very good technical work from what i've seen
[14:31] <meetingology> +1 good endorsements, and very good technical work from what i've seen received from ddstreet
[14:31] <rafaeldtinoco> +1 with the concern of having more contributions from amurray in core parts of being a core dev (specially unblocking migrations). I like the approach of having more sponsors in security team and the test retries.
[14:31] <meetingology> +1 with the concern of having more contributions from amurray in core parts of being a core dev (specially unblocking migrations). I like the approach of having more sponsors in security team and the test retries. received from rafaeldtinoco
[14:31] <sil2100> +1 Alex's application also seems to make sense, as I see a real bottleneck that needs fixing right now
[14:31] <meetingology> +1 Alex's application also seems to make sense, as I see a real bottleneck that needs fixing right now received from sil2100
[14:32] <sil2100> #endvote
[14:32] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Alex Murray for Core Developer membership
[14:32] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[14:32] <meetingology> Motion carried
[14:32] <ddstreet> congrats!
[14:32] <sil2100> o/
[14:32] <sil2100> amurray: congrats!
[14:32] <rafaeldtinoco> amurray: congrats!
[14:32] <amurray> wow, awesome - thanks everyone :)
[14:32] <ogra> YAY !
[14:33] <sil2100> So I'd appreciate someone taking the action item of adding amurray to the team and announcements
[14:33] <teward> sil2100: consider that done by me
[14:33] <teward> after my lunch meetings
[14:33] <sil2100> Since I'm basically 'not here' today and tomorrow
[14:33] <sil2100> teward: thanks!
[14:33] <sil2100> #action teward to add amurray to core-dev
[14:33] <meetingology> ACTION: teward to add amurray to core-dev
[14:33] <sil2100> #action teward to announce amurray's successful application
[14:33] <meetingology> ACTION: teward to announce amurray's successful application
[14:33] <teward> it'll be sent out by EOD today, or tomorrow if I get swamped with crap at work today.  (email changes are pain >.<)
[14:34] <sil2100> Ok, there was also one remaining action item from last time:
[14:34] <sil2100> rafaeldtinoco look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2021-April/001676.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2021-March/001635.html
[14:34] <rafaeldtinoco> I did one
[14:34] <rafaeldtinoco> let me see
[14:34] <rafaeldtinoco> the openstack
[14:34] <rafaeldtinoco> missing https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2021-March/001635.html
[14:34] <sil2100> Ok, I'll modify it so that only one is left!
[14:34] <rafaeldtinoco> please carry that one
[14:34] <sil2100> Thanks!
[14:34] <rafaeldtinoco> sil2100: tku!
[14:35] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[14:35] <sil2100> ...any AOB?
[14:35] <sil2100> Chair for next meeting should be rafaeldtinoco according to the agenda
[14:35] <sil2100> o/
[14:35] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[14:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 14:35:26 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-05-03-14.01.moin.txt
[14:35] <ddstreet> thanks o/
[14:35] <rafaeldtinoco> sil2100: thanks for chairing
[14:35] <sil2100> Let me update the agenda
[14:37] <sil2100> Thank you everyone o/
[14:37]  * sil2100 disappears again
[14:38] <amurray> thanks again folks