[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[07:43] <dholbach> dpm, do you think we could add some more of current good apps to lp:ubuntu-sdk-tutorials?
[07:43] <dholbach> dpm, I'm just trying to reply to https://twitter.com/tom_ubuntu/status/433866264415440896
[07:45] <dpm> dholbach, kyle is adding some html5 tutorials to that project, perhaps we should point him to those. I agree with adding more apps to the examples, it's just having the time :)
[07:46] <dholbach> sure
[07:46] <dholbach> maybe I should point the guy on twitter to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide?
[07:46] <dholbach> or something
[07:48] <dholbach> dpm, ^ what do you think?
[07:48] <dpm> dholbach, yes, or perhaps to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps/
[07:48] <dholbach> ok, thanks
[08:21] <mpt> Laney, no, I meant Header as in http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/building-blocks/header
[08:22] <mpt> (for the set time/date sheet)
[09:03] <Laney> mpt: hmm, I don't know how to do that within a dialog
[09:36] <nik90> dpm: do you have any other qml ideas for the ubuntu sdk tutorials?
[09:41] <bzoltan1> nik90: hello
[09:41] <bzoltan1> nik90: about that qtdeclarative5-qtgrilo0.1 package
[09:43] <nik90> bzoltan1: hi
[09:44] <bzoltan1> nik90: The qtdeclarative5-qtgrilo0.1 is not included in the phablet image, it is not integrated to the SDK, and it is not backported to the LTS
[09:44] <bzoltan1> nik90: so :) quite a few reasons to wonder why a core app is using it ... and if it is using it, then why it was not flagged out to us?
[09:44] <nik90> bzoltan1: I agree to the "not integrated to the sdk or backported to the LTS part". But I think it should be part of the phone image considering that the music app runs it.
[09:45] <nik90> bzoltan1: I am not a music dev, but I thinnk the plan was to move away from Grillo
[09:45] <bzoltan1> nik90: It is a bit more complex issue ...
[09:46] <nik90> bzoltan1: I see grilo-plugins-0.2-mediascanner and qtdeclarative5-qtgrilo0.1 added as dependencies in the debian/control file
[09:47] <bzoltan1> nik90: by who?
[09:47] <bzoltan1> nik90: and why?
[09:47] <nik90> bzoltan1: in the music app by music devs
[09:48] <dpm> hi nik90, bzoltan1
[09:48] <nik90> bzoltan1: also those 2 packages are part of the core apps ppa
[09:48] <dpm> bzoltan1, what's up with grilo?
[09:49] <mpt> Laney, if you can’t do everything in a dialog that you can do in a stack page, again that’s a toolkit bug. The print dialog will also use a header, for example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Printing#dialog
[09:51] <bzoltan1> nik90:  nik90 core apss PPA andd debian/controll does not help to land packages on the  phone image and SDK integration
[09:51] <nik90> mpt: The dialog does not provide the same support as a page. It does not provide a pageheader, toolbar etc..Looking at the Printing Dialog, I think they should be using the Sheets Component instead of a dialog.
[09:52] <Laney> what is the Sheets component?
[09:53] <nik90> Laney: Check out the SDK Gallery app. They have a sheets example there. I do not see it at design.ubunut.com however I remember the designers saying that they will be adding it soon enough (during the last vUDS)
[10:06] <mpt> nik90, sounds good to me. :)
[10:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Human Spirit Day! :-D
[10:19] <nik90> rpadovani: ping
[10:30] <nik90> any calendar devs hanging about? I am trying to figure out arguments support for the clock app and need your help
[10:30] <nik90> for alarms
[10:39] <rpadovani> nik90, pong
[10:41] <nik90> rpadovani: hey, good morning
[10:41] <rpadovani> o/
[10:41] <nik90> rpadovani: I wanted to talk to you about your argument's support MP for the clock app at https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/09Oct2013/+merge/190139
[10:41] <nik90> rpadovani: it got reverted at the end of the 13.10 cycle since it stopped the clock app from starting on the phone
[10:42] <nik90> rpadovani: Now I am revisiting that since I need to definitely implement support for arguments for the alarms feature
[10:42] <dpm> nik90, morning!
[10:42] <nik90> dpm: morning :)
[10:43] <nik90> rpadovani: as I review your MP again, I understand you defined "alarms:///" as the default argument. Why?
[10:43] <dpm> nik90, I'll be running an Ubuntu App Developer Week session on internationalizing apps, so that will force me to write a tutorial on it :)
[10:44] <nik90> rpadovani: I would expect "alarms:///" to be an optional argument
[10:44] <nik90> rpadovani: +1
[10:44] <nik90> sry that was meant for dpm: +1
[10:44] <nik90> dpm: me and kalikiana will be hosting a u1db session together. I need to start work on it as well :)
[10:45] <dpm> NICE!
[10:45] <rpadovani> nik90, mhh, no, wait, I'm not sure to remember well, but it is optional, because if there is no option it works
[10:45] <dpm> nik90, so regarding the thread in the mailing list: I think we should not compromise the developer experience for pure qml projects for automation. I'm thinking that one easy thing we could do to get rid of the dependency on cmake to run projects on the device is to simply commit a dummy .desktop file on bzr
[10:45] <rpadovani> nik90, I have to check api
[10:46] <nik90> dpm: +1...because this cmake migration happened at the wrong time just before the MWC...
[10:46] <dpm> this way Qt Creator would work, and the CI could still generate click packages with cmake and overwrite the .desktop file. What do you think? I think the only issue was with Qt Creator not finding it, wasn't it?
[10:46] <kalikiana> dpm: how does qml without cmake get translated then?
[10:47] <nik90> dpm: yes the issue was that Qt Creator was not finding it. I will try just adding a .desktop file and see if that works
[10:47] <nik90> rpadovani: I see 2 apps using arguments atm, which are calendar and music-app
[10:47] <nik90> rpadovani: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/view/head:/calendar.qml
[10:47] <nik90> rpadovani: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/music-app.qml
[10:48] <nik90> rpadovani: Both use different approaches...calendar uses what you did for clock app. While music app defines them as optional arguments
[10:48] <nik90> rpadovani: confused as to what approach I should take
[10:49] <dpm> nik90, cool. Please let me know your findings, and then if it works, I'll propose it as the alternative on the mailing list
[10:49] <rpadovani> nik90, mhh, I don't remember why I chose this approach
[10:52] <nik90> rpadovani: Do you have some time to look at this? Or should I take over this bug?
[10:52] <nik90> rpadovani: It is a critical priority task and needs to be done asap.
[10:52] <rpadovani> nik90, well, calendar is equal to clock because I implemented both :P
[10:52] <rpadovani> nik90, after a grep on logs:
[10:52] <rpadovani> Znc-#ubuntu-calc-app.log:Oct 09 21:33:34 <boiko>	WebbyIT: if no arguments are passed, then the %u does nothing
[10:53] <rpadovani> nik90, yap, I look at it now
[11:02] <nik90> dpm: adding a ubuntu-clock-app.desktop worked
[11:02] <nik90> dpm: I didn''t have to cmake or modify any other file
[11:05] <dpm> nik90, ok, let's go for that, then. Can you send a MP and I'll approve it?
[11:05] <nik90> dpm: yeah sure..1 min
[11:05] <dpm> cool, thanks
[11:19] <rpadovani> nik90, ok, so, I chose to use dafaultArguments so you have only to write alarm to invoke it: if you use normal argument you have to set alarm=true
[11:19] <rpadovani> nik90, the branch you linked works well with qmlscene on PC
[11:20] <rpadovani> nik90, I have no idea on how test it with cmake
[11:21] <rpadovani> dpm ^^
[11:22] <rpadovani> dpm, how can I pass an argument to an app with cmake>
[11:22] <dpm> rpadovani, can you give me some more context on what you are trying to make?
[11:23] <rpadovani> dpm, so, we want to start clock app on alarm tab if during the startup an argument is passed
[11:23] <rpadovani> with qmlscene I simply do: qmlscene alarm ubuntu-clock-app.qml
[11:24] <rpadovani> dpm, but I want to be sure that it works also as in normal installation. How can I test it?
[11:25] <nik90> rpadovani: but doesn't optional arguments allow you to state the url such as alarm:"alarmid"
[11:26] <dpm> let me have a look
[11:27] <rpadovani> nik90, is a question?  What arguments do you want to implement? Because on old branch there is only alarm to open alarm tab
[11:27] <dpm> rpadovani, you can specify additional launch arguments here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/trunk/view/head:/CMakeLists.txt#L26
[11:27] <dpm> on the EXEC line
[11:28] <nik90> rpadovani: that's a question
[11:28] <rpadovani> dpm, thanks!
[11:28] <dpm> btw, any cmake expert could clarify the following to me?
[11:28] <dpm> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/trunk/view/head:/CMakeLists.txt#L18
[11:28] <dpm> if (CLICK_MODE)
[11:28] <dpm> ...
[11:28] <dpm> else (CLICK_MODE)
[11:28] <dpm> ...
[11:29] <dpm> That doesn't make sense to me, but it might be something obvious I'm missing
[11:30] <rpadovani> nik90, if you want I can implement an argument like --alarm=name:Try/date:23131212421
[11:30] <kalikiana> dpm: option(CLICK_MODE
[11:30] <kalikiana> at the top
[11:31] <dpm> kalikiana, yes, but the if and the else look for the same value - that's the part I'm not getting
[11:32] <kalikiana> dpm: pretend it says else() and endif()
[11:32] <dpm> ah, I see...
[11:32] <timp> dpm: that's the spec of cmake if: http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/cmake2.6docs.html#command:if
[11:33] <dpm> got it, thanks kalikiana and timp
[11:33] <nik90> rpadovani: so in your current implementation, what argument should I pass?
[11:33] <rpadovani> nik90, only alarm
[11:33] <rpadovani> qmlscene alarm ubuntu-clock-app.qml
[11:33] <nik90> rpadovani: so qmlscene alarm ubuntu-clock-app.qml ?
[11:33] <rpadovani> and it opens alarm tab
[11:38] <nik90> ok
[11:38] <nik90> rpadovani: this time I will ask charles to take a look before merging
[11:38] <nik90> do you have link to mp?
[11:39] <rpadovani> nik90, just a sec, I update cmake and then I'll do a mr
[11:42] <rpadovani> nik90, https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-clock-app/17Feb2014/+merge/206693
[11:52] <dpm> hey m-b-o :)
[12:06] <popey> m-b-o: you have mail ☻
[13:04] <nik90> You guys are in for a treat. Going to publish some details about a new patch to the clock app on my blog in an hour hopefully with some videos. Let's just say colin king is going to be delighted ;-)
[13:07] <popey> \o/
[13:16] <dpm> nice :)
[14:21] <nik90> http://nik90.com/killing-an-ancient-clock-app-bug/
[14:31] <popey> nice one nik90 !
[14:32] <nik90> popey: thnx :)
[15:52] <nik90> m-b-o: ping
[17:48] <rpadovani> mzanetti, hey :-)
[18:09] <kalikiana> nik90: are you aware of PerformanceOverlay?
[18:14] <nik90> kalikiana: ah yes, I recently tried it..pretty cool :)
[18:14] <nik90> kalikiana: I wasn't sure of what some graphs indicated
[18:15] <kalikiana> nik90: in that case I'm sure Kaleo will be very interested in making it clearer
[18:15] <kalikiana> maybe it even make sense to have a short demo in the app week
[18:16] <nik90> kalikiana: let me take a closer look at it and then identify any points that is not clear
[18:16] <nik90> kalikiana: looking at #ubuntu-touch channel, it seems both timp and Kaleo are busy during that week (carnival)
[18:16] <nik90> kalikiana: so let's see if zsombi can do that..if yes then that would be nice
[18:17] <kalikiana> those brazilians what can you say, one month inofficial holidays
[18:18] <nik90> kalikiana: lol
[19:49] <MRRpc> hello
[19:50] <mrgoodcat> hello to you as well
[19:50] <MRRpc> can u help me
[19:50] <mrgoodcat> that depends strongly on what you need help with
[19:51] <MRRpc> :D its easy look at this code
[19:51] <MRRpc> a.write("asdj",4);
[19:51] <MRRpc> i want dont use the size and this done automatcly
[19:52] <mrgoodcat> i don't understand the question
[19:54] <MRRpc> i use fstream in c++
[19:54] <MRRpc>     fstream a;     a.open("/home/mrr/Desktop/out2.txt",ios_base::out);     a.write("asdj",4);     a.close(); }
[19:54] <MRRpc> number 4 is size of the character
[19:54] <mrgoodcat> oh, you want it to automatically figure out the size?
[19:55] <MRRpc> hell yeah
[19:55] <MRRpc> :D
[19:57] <MRRpc> are u there what happend
[19:58] <mrgoodcat> sorry my internet went out
[19:58] <mrgoodcat> i just use write so i don't know what to tell you
[19:58] <MRRpc> np
[19:58] <mrgoodcat> maybe one of these guys can help
[19:58] <MRRpc> ok ty
[19:59] <mrgoodcat> i like the control of using an explicit streamsize
[19:59] <mrgoodcat> try fprintf
[19:59] <MRRpc> ok let me try
[20:00] <MRRpc> how to use fprintf
[20:02] <mrgoodcat> FILE *f = fopen("file.txt", "w"); const char *text = "asdf"; fprintf(f, "Some text: %s\n", text); fclose(f);
[20:02] <mzanetti> rpadovani: hey, new nick :)
[20:04] <MRRpc> ty i love u thats work
[20:04] <MRRpc> <3
[20:05] <mrgoodcat> glad to hear it
[20:07] <MRRpc> "w " what is this?
[20:07] <MRRpc> "w"
[20:07] <mrgoodcat> file mode
[20:07] <mrgoodcat> w stands for write
[20:08] <MRRpc> does it work for binary
[20:08] <mrgoodcat> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/cstdio/fopen/
[20:10] <mrgoodcat> writing to binary files is going to require a streamsize i'm pretty sure. since binary files don't care what data is written to them
[20:10] <mrgoodcat> i gotta go
[20:10] <MRRpc> oh ty , sorry i am so Curious
[20:10] <mrgoodcat> no problem
[20:10] <mrgoodcat> good luck
[20:10] <MRRpc> gl
[20:22] <rpadovani> mzanetti, yap, long story :-)
[20:23] <rpadovani> mzanetti, so, did you read backlog? I started working on camera, I added camera confirm, and now I'm focused on design
[20:28] <nik90> Kaleo: regarding bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1280359, is it crashing because of the dialer widget?
[20:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1280359 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Ubuntu Layouts causes application to crash while switching from one layout to the other" [Critical,In progress]
[20:28] <nik90> kalikiana: I noticed that other apps seem to use layouts without any such crash
[20:29] <nik90> Kaleo: ^^
[20:29] <nik90> sry not kalikiana
[20:39] <Kaleo> nik90, hey
[20:39] <nik90> Kaleo: hi
[20:39] <Kaleo> nik90, I have just attached an even smaller test program
[20:39] <Kaleo> nik90, I have not investigated further yet but there must be some sort of race condition
[20:39] <nik90> Kaleo: yes I noticed
[20:40] <nik90> Kaleo: Were you able to notice it without the Dialer?
[20:40] <Kaleo> nik90, yes
[20:40] <Kaleo> nik90, with that even smaller test program
[20:40] <Kaleo> nik90, I posted 2
[20:40] <Kaleo> nik90, a ShaderEffectSource suffices
[20:40] <nik90> Kaleo: ah okay..I only saw saw the first small program
[20:42] <Kaleo> nik90, at least you have a "workaround" for now
[20:42] <Kaleo> nik90, not using the Dialer :)
[20:42] <nik90> Kaleo: lol :) I cannot really do that :P
[20:43] <Kaleo> nik90, for tonight it might be your only hope :)
[20:43] <Kaleo> nik90, but between now and tomorrow I'm sure we'll find a fix
[20:43] <nik90> Kaleo: that's fast enough for me :)
[20:44] <nik90> Kaleo: I don't really need the fix on the phone. Just need it on the desktop because that's where the user will try to change the layout
[20:44] <Kaleo> nik90, understood
[20:44] <Kaleo> nik90, however it's the same for us
[20:44] <Kaleo> nik90, there is only one ubuntu :)
[20:44] <nik90> Kaleo: true, but SDK doesn't get updated on phone too often
[20:45] <Kaleo> nik90, that is giong to change
[20:45] <Kaleo> nik90, we will probably have something daily now
[20:45] <nik90> Kaleo: wow..awesome!
[20:45] <Kaleo> nik90, on trusty that is
[20:45] <Kaleo> nik90, and I mean for the ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[20:46] <nik90> Kaleo: yeah yeah..
[20:46] <Kaleo> :)
[21:27] <mzanetti> rpadovani: no... lost the backlog somehow. But cool stuff. Is there already something to review?
[21:31] <nik90> Kaleo: Is it possible to add a Flickable inside a conditional layout instead of a row or column?
[21:37] <Elleo> if something is started from the command line does it bypass the containment stuff?
[21:37] <mrgoodcat> if i'm interested in creating a desktop application (because i don't have an ubuntu phone) am I still best off going to developer.ubuntu.com? it seems mostly targeted at phablet
[21:40] <Kaleo> nik90, I have no idea
[21:40] <Kaleo> nik90, I'm not too familiar with these APIs
[21:40] <Kaleo> nik90, zsombi tomorrow will know
[21:41] <nik90> Kaleo: np..I will ask him tomorrow
[21:57] <rpadovani> mzanetti, I put the code online, but I want to implement design for camera. My question is: design is equal to camera app, what is the best way to implement it? Take camera-app code? I looked at it, and it simply qml
[21:57] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/cameraImprovement
[21:58] <mrgoodcat> i can't get the ubuntu touch templates to show up in the sdk. I have tried a few "solutions" from the internet but nothing has worked. anybody have this issue?
[21:58] <mzanetti> rpadovani: yeah, I guess you can steal a bit from the camera app. However, please don't just pull all the stuff over, but only the things we really need.
[21:59] <rpadovani> mzanetti, yes, of course! In design doc there are 5 buttons, are they the same of camera app?
[22:00] <mzanetti> rpadovani: I'd say so, yes
[22:00] <mzanetti> rpadovani: but not sure we want to implement all the features
[22:01] <mzanetti> rpadovani: for example, video is not supported (I think)
[22:02] <rpadovani> mzanetti, ok, mhh, I think the best is to implement flash,  zoom (and shoot, of course). We can add others in the future
[22:02] <mzanetti> rpadovani: +1
[22:03] <rpadovani> mzanetti, great, thanks, I try to implement them before wednsday
[22:04] <mzanetti> rpadovani: cool
[22:06] <mzanetti> rpadovani: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/fix-attaching-images/+merge/206816
[22:51] <mzanetti> rpadovani: here's another one: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/reminders-sorting/+merge/206819
[22:52] <rpadovani> mzanetti, just finished playing Dota, I'm going to review them :-)
[22:53] <RyuGuns> Where do I store application files?
[22:55] <RyuGuns> I need to store a text file for my application on all user-accounts as well as icons and such used by my application, where do I put that?
[22:55] <RyuGuns> This is for desktop ubuntu by the way.
[22:56] <mzanetti> RyuGuns: text files per user: /home/user/.config/ or /home/user/.cache/, depending if settings or cached data
[22:56] <mzanetti> RyuGuns: icons and other application data: /usr/share/applicationname/
[22:57] <RyuGuns> mzanetti: Thank you, but I need it to be the same text file accessible by all users.
[22:57] <RyuGuns> Is /usr/share/ appropriate for that?
[22:57] <mzanetti> then its appdata and goes to /usr/share/applicationname/
[22:57] <RyuGuns> Alright, thank you very much!
[23:18] <rpadovani> mzanetti, need fixing both, I'm sorry
[23:18] <mzanetti> rpadovani: :D don't be
[23:18] <rpadovani> mzanetti, I'm not sure what is wrong with attach file
[23:19] <mzanetti> rpadovani: "First of all, the gallery is open, and I have to return to the app using a swype."
[23:19] <mzanetti> what do you mean with that?
[23:19] <mzanetti> di you minimize the gallery yourself?
[23:21] <rpadovani> mzanetti, yap
[23:21] <rpadovani> mzanetti, swipe right to change from gallery to reminder
[23:21] <mzanetti> rpadovani: hmm... when the gallery is open, you should select a picture and then press the confirm button
[23:22] <rpadovani> mzanetti, yes, after I press the confirm button it disappear, and nothing happens
[23:22] <rpadovani> the confirm button disappears
[23:22] <mzanetti> rpadovani: only the confirm button disappears?
[23:22] <mzanetti> the whole gallery should disappear
[23:23] <rpadovani> mzanetti, yap, only confirm button disappears
[23:24] <rpadovani> mzanetti, it becomes standard gallery
[23:24] <mzanetti> rpadovani: strange. that sounds like a bug in the gallery picker
[23:24] <rpadovani> mzanetti, I can try to update to today image
[23:24] <mzanetti> rpadovani: when did you last flash?
[23:25] <rpadovani> mzanetti, total reset before r 170, now I'm on 181
[23:25] <rpadovani> mzanetti, I can do new reflash
[23:25] <mzanetti> rpadovani: please try. I don't think that's something in reminders, and it works here
[23:29] <rpadovani> mzanetti, ubuntu-device-flash is going on devel channel, please be patience, I have not a good connection :)
[23:29] <mzanetti> ok :)
[23:33] <mzanetti> Wellark: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/reminders-sorting/+merge/206819/comments/484963
[23:33] <mzanetti> rpadovani: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/reminders-sorting/+merge/206819/comments/484963
[23:36] <rpadovani> mzanetti, approved and top approved
[23:36] <mzanetti> rpadovani: thanks :)
[23:45] <rpadovani> mzanetti, mhh, I'm travellink at ~200KB/s, I'll reflash and retest your branch tomorrow, I need to sleep
[23:45] <rpadovani> mzanetti, good night :-)
[23:46] <mzanetti> rpadovani: no problem. good night


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[01:56] <billybigrigger_> Sarvatt, i don't know which webcam module you use...but things might be looking up for me, as i use the sonixj module....take a look here
[01:56] <billybigrigger_> http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/35294/
[02:06] <billybigrigger_> hmmm seems even after a git pull those modules aren't touched
[02:06] <billybigrigger_> -rw-r--r--  1 billybigrigger billybigrigger  71386 2009-07-11 15:45 sonixj.c
[02:06] <billybigrigger_> :(
[09:07] <Alocado> hello
[09:08] <Alocado> i'm using karmic and have a problem booting the 2.6.31-* kernels, i get an error message like "ata1: illegal qc_active transition".. anybody who knows about this error?
[09:34] <smb> Alocado, Not really much beyond the obvious (that it is from the disk subsystem) that it complains about some command ending in an unexpected way (probably should be active but is already inactive). I cannot say this helps, but it might be worth playing around with the libata options (e.g. libata.force=noncq). But if the problem persists, you should open a bug.
[09:35] <Alocado> smb, ok, thank you
[11:00] <Keybuk> morning
[11:00] <Keybuk> just so you're aware, I don't think we've had any bug reports yet, but there's an inotify regression in 2.6.31
[15:39] <rtg_> Keybuk, since an upgrade to Karmic my firewire disk mounts with the volume ID instead of /media/disk which it used to use. Is this expected?
[15:52] <Keybuk> rtg_: /media/volume_id ?
[15:54] <rtg_> Keybuk, /media/3fc0df0b-cf77-4f73-9b3f-fffd10f06147 (which looks like a volume ID)
[15:55] <smb> rtg_, rather a uuid
[15:56] <smb> ...if we say uuid to the numeric thingy and label to the textual one
[15:56] <Keybuk> rtg_: that's a pitti bug
[15:56] <maco> where do the CoD live?
[15:57] <smb> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/
[15:57] <maco> i cant figure out where to click on kernel.u.c to navigate there
[15:57] <maco> smb, thanks
[15:58] <smb> maco, np
[15:58] <maco> i386 fail to build today?
[15:58] <smb> Hah, it even looks like the raw divide bug fix has made it upstream now. :)
[16:00] <smb> maco, To me it looks like it has been build again
[16:01] <maco> i only see amd64 builds
[16:01] <rtg_> cjwatson, the bug that annoys me the most is when sshd hangs at the end of a transfer. Is that a known problem?
[16:02] <JonDoe297> maco: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2009-07-13/ there?
[16:02] <JonDoe297> oh, "current" one
[16:02] <JonDoe297> sorry :)
[16:03] <smb> Hm,though 13-07 should be current in my eyes...
[16:03] <cjwatson> rtg_: I've never seen anything like that
[16:03] <maco> oh...hmm that is a problem, isn't it?
[16:04] <rtg_> cjwatson, it appears to be related to Karmic sshd. How would I debug it?
[16:04] <smb> rtg_, The only thing close to it is ssh need much more time to complete. You think it is done but it isn't
[16:04] <rtg_> smb, it appears that it never completes
[16:04] <smb> maco, I try to look at it. It is
[16:05] <cjwatson> rtg_: start sshd on a separate port with -ddd (will run it in the foreground, single instance, maximum verbosity); connect to it with ssh -vvv
[16:05] <cjwatson> -p on both sides, obviously
[16:06] <rtg_> cjwatson, ok. gimme a bit
[16:09] <smb> rtg_, Do you know what usually links current in the mainline builds to the latest daily build? At least for today it is broken as it links to 2009-06-17 (one month in the past)
[16:09] <rtg_> smb, dunno, I've not looked at it recently
[16:11] <rtg_> cjwatson, Karmic '/usr/sbin/sshd -ddd -p 1027', Jaunty 'ssh -p 1027 -vvv <IP_ADDRESS>', bails with an error message on the server 'No supported key exchange algorithms'.
[16:12] <smb> maco, Ok, current fixed (at least for today)
[16:12] <maco> thanks
[16:14] <rtg_> cjwatson, nm, needed to start sshd as root
[16:14] <cjwatson> I was just going to say that :-)
[16:16] <rtg_> cjwatson, drat, it would work with debug enabled. I'll try starting the port 22 instance of sshd with -ddd enabled.
[16:27] <rtg_> cjwatson, how annoying. I can't seem to get it to happen now. I'll continue to pursue it since it causes me a lot of problems with git updating and such.
[16:28] <cjwatson> rtg_: wouldn't that be the sshd on kernel.ubuntu.com?
[16:29] <cjwatson> or do you use git among local machines?
[16:29] <rtg_> cjwatson, no, that works OK, I have an internal network of build machines that clone from a local repo
[16:29] <cjwatson> I don't suppose any controlmaster stuff is going on?
[16:30] <bjf> isn't there a wiki page for debugging sound problems?
[16:30] <rtg_> nope, straightforward stuff. Used to work until I upgraded the git server to Karmic
[16:30] <bjf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[17:18] <bjf> anyone up for helping me debug a sound problem (lack of all sound is the problem, same on two systems)
[20:53] <billybigrigger> after a git pull does make-kpkg clean up whatever i just pulled?
[20:53] <billybigrigger> or can i run git pull && CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 time fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd -append-to-version=-billybigrigger-07.12 kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source > make.log 2>&1
[20:54] <rtg_> billybigrigger, you should be doing 'git fetch origin;git rebase origin' instead. 'git pull' does a merge and may do things you don't want
[20:54] <billybigrigger> rtg_: ok thanks
[20:55] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:~/linux-2.6$ git fetch origin
[20:55] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:~/linux-2.6$ git rebase origin
[20:55] <billybigrigger> drivers/char/vr41xx_giu.c: needs update
[20:55] <billybigrigger> cannot rebase: you have unstaged changes
[20:55] <rtg_> git checkout -f
[20:56] <rtg_> git clean -f -d
[20:56] <billybigrigger> fetch or rebase?
[20:57] <billybigrigger> afterwards i mean
[20:57] <rtg_> after checkout and clean, you can just rebase. you've already fetched.
[20:57] <billybigrigger> Current branch master is up to date.
[20:57] <billybigrigger> thats after rebase
[20:57] <billybigrigger> so there's no changes?
[20:57] <rtg_> billybigrigger, do a 'git log' and compare against the base repo.
[20:58] <rtg_> or origin repo
[21:01] <maco> are crack of the day built without kms support? and have any of you seen iwlagn go crazy on today's crack?
[21:01] <Sarvatt> he has no local changes (outside of .config thats in .gitignore) and is just updating, why shouldnt he just pull?
[21:02] <rtg_> maco, some of the wireless devs are complaining that iwl isn't working too well (across all models)
[21:02] <maco> hm ok. ive got "cannot allocate SKB buffers" spamming in all my ttys from iwlagn
[21:03] <maco> its also in top using quite a LOT of cpu
[21:04] <rtg_> maco, dunno what the exact errors were. Perhaps you ought to drop a note to the wireless mailing list with a snippet from your log
[21:04] <maco> wireless mailing list? link?
[21:06] <rtg_> maco<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:06] <maco> thanks
[21:06] <rtg_> maco, fyi, MAINTAINERS in the kernel tree generally has all that stuff
[21:08] <maco> ok thank you
[21:20] <xantian> Hello. my problem is Kernel 2.6.31* and compiling ... an know this ist devel staging .. who can help me?
[21:24] <xantian> i can not compile nvidia latest driver and ralink rt2870sta from sources .. ah and xfi but xfi and ralink 'll support out of the box with blacklist 7 modules
[21:24] <xantian> but i need nvidia driver
[21:26] <xantian> google don't like me anymore
[21:26] <xantian> :P
[21:36] <xantian> thx i found solution
[23:09] <shtylman> anyone willing to help me out with bug #398059
[23:09] <ubot3> Malone bug 398059 in linux "system does not boot due to device-mapper error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398059


[03:09] <RustJason> Guys i run systemtap today but got this error: `semantic error: while resolving probe point: identifier 'kernel' at`
[03:11] <RustJason> I've got `linux-image-4.8.0-46-generic-dbgsym` installed
[09:22] <tisch1> exit
[09:27] <rghvdberg[m]> hi all my touchpad is not detected. already filed a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1686048
[09:29] <rghvdberg[m]> just wondering if anyone knew of a quick fix. It seems to be an old problem that should have been fixed
[16:24] <tisch> exit
[18:15] <cyphermox> apw: do you happen to know what ships the scripts to sign kernel modules?
[18:24] <apw> the tool that signs it are in a sign something
[18:24] <apw> sbsign something
[18:25] <apw> and the script we use is in there in the Ubuntu delta
[18:27] <apw> sbsign i think
[18:27] <apw> sbsigtool
[18:28] <apw> sbsigntool
[18:31] <apw> cyphermox, /me looks at autocorrupt with a venomous stare
[18:32] <apw> cyphermox, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sbsigntool
[18:32] <cyphermox> oh, really?
[18:32] <cyphermox> I'm an idiot.
[18:33] <cyphermox> ugh, of course, I thought "modsign" and never thought of adding a k in front.
[18:42] <apw> cyphermox: of course that is not used to sign kernels binaries
[18:43] <cyphermox> no, my brother was asking me how to sign a custom-built kernel module.
[18:43] <cyphermox> thanks
[18:46] <xnox> apw, dh_builddeb -plinux-image-4.10.0-19-generic -- -Zbzip2 -z9
[18:46] <xnox> dpkg-deb: error: obsolete compression type 'bzip2'; use xz or gzip instead
[18:46] <xnox> i guess this is known, kernel FTBFS in artful
[18:47] <apw> cyphermox: he has no key to sign it with
[18:47] <apw> xnox: bah
[18:47] <cyphermox> apw: I sent over a script I use to generate the set of keys to then inject in shim to do this
[18:48] <cyphermox> apw: I'm just sending doc his way so he can figure it out.
[18:48] <apw> nuve
[18:48] <apw>  nice


[09:57] <rmg51> Morning
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[15:16] <ChinnoDog> dunkin++
[15:28] <MobileTurkey> yep
[16:45] <InHisName> afternoon
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> does anyone know if you can "upgrade" your septa pass for a trip?
[20:46] <MutantTurkey> I have a zone 1 pass I use, and am going to zone 3 today
[21:20] <waltman> MutantTurkey: you can, but it's hard to find out how much they're going to charge you


[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <jose> dholbach: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
[07:57]  * jose hugs dholbach
[07:58] <dholbach> hi jose
[07:58] <dholbach> thanks a lot :)
[07:58] <jose> having a good day so far?
[08:03] <dholbach> very good - now making some coffee first :)
[08:04] <jose> yay
[09:10] <silverlion> morning folks
[09:25] <popey> dholbach: happy birthday!
[09:25] <dholbach> thanks popey
[09:29] <silverlion> dholbach : oh in that case I'll pass a "happy glühstrumph" as we germans say ;)
[09:29] <dholbach> thanks silverlion :)
[09:29] <dholbach> some Germans maybe :-P
[09:29] <silverlion> dholbach : I'm from the Ruhrpott. Here it's common :P
[09:30] <dholbach> haha
[09:45] <popey> You crazy Germans :)
[10:02] <dholbach> I need to run a few errands, bbiab
[11:21] <popey> dpm: http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/ is that updating properly now? (the date is blank at the bottom)
[11:21] <popey> dpm: I'm also seeing same stats for utopic and vivid there.
[11:30] <dpm> popey, yeah, I'm pulling the data from the upstream projects' trunks (most don't have separate branches), that's why the data is the same. I've not managed to get an export from LP to get source package stats.
[11:30] <popey> ok. can you please add terminal app reboot?
[11:30] <popey> we need to get translations done for that before we can replace old terminal with new one
[11:32] <dpm> yes, it's on my list. First was to get the stats back up after breakage that happened before xmas
[11:32] <popey> ta
[11:45] <bkerensa> popey: https://github.com/bkerensa/mozmill-ci-dockerfile
[11:45] <bkerensa> Ubuntu tool to do Firefox Automated testing
[11:48] <popey> \o/ automated testing
[12:10] <dpm> popey, hm, the terminal app reboot was not even set up for translations in LP
[12:10] <popey> ah. that wont help
[12:10] <dpm> ok, I've done that. It will take a while for translations to import
[12:10] <popey> ok. thanks.
[12:10] <dpm> I'll give translators a heads uo
[12:10] <dpm> *up
[12:12] <popey> thank you!
[12:12] <popey> we're planning to replace the current terminal in a week or two, once all the translations are decently done.
[12:13] <dpm> in terms of adding it to the stats, I've just remembered I set them up to show the status of only what's included by default on the phone, that's why I didn't initially add the terminal there. I think I'd like to keep it that way, but as with other apps, I'll make sure translators are aware of the new strings
[12:14] <dpm> file manager is not on the stats, either
[12:14] <popey> oh
[12:15] <popey> I assumed they were all there.
[12:15] <popey> What's the rationale for not including other core apps?
[12:15] <popey> (note calendar will be coming back so will need updated translations)
[12:15] <dpm> Only preinstalled apps are included, regardless of whether they are core apps or not
[12:16] <dpm> so music & co are included
[12:16] <dpm> the rationale is to have an accurate view of how well translated the default phone installation is
[12:16] <dpm> and to narrow the focus of translators
[12:16] <dpm> everything can be translated in LP
[12:18] <dpm> but the stats page gives you a better idea of what the phone looks like in a particular language and helps translators concentrate on the higher priority translations
[12:18] <dpm> I'll make sure Calendar gets added
[12:18] <popey> ok
[12:18] <popey> thanks for the clarification
[12:38] <nigelb> dholbach: Happy Birthday!
[12:47] <dholbach> thanks nigelb
[13:08] <dholbach> dpm, did Rupinder get back to you? :)
[13:09] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, I'm sorting it out right now
[13:09] <dholbach> yoohoo
[14:40] <mhall119> happy birthday dholbach
[14:40] <belkinsa> Happy b-day, dholbach
[14:56] <dholbach> thanks mhall119, thanks belkinsa
[14:56] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[16:25] <dholbach> allllllllll rightie
[16:25] <dholbach> I'm going to call it a day
[16:25] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[16:26] <dholbach> and big hugs!
[16:27] <dpm> have fun dholbach
[16:28] <dpm> enjoy the rest of the birthday!
[16:37] <dholbach> thank you :)
[17:01] <popey> could do with some help here, if I have missed any? https://pad.riseup.net/p/LinuxPublications
[18:29] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:29] <belkinsa> o/ czajkowski


[12:44] <morningwalker> jrib?
[12:44] <jrib> hi
[12:44] <morningwalker> hi
[12:44] <morningwalker> aryamaan will take time getting started
[12:44] <morningwalker> lets be patient
[12:44] <jrib> your friend left
[12:46] <morningwalker> he is coming
[12:46] <jrib> k
[12:47] <morningwalker> jrib, arya entered
[12:47] <jrib> hi aryamaangiri, let's talk here
[12:47] <aryamaangiri> ok
[12:48] <aryamaangiri> jrib
[12:48] <jrib> aryamaangiri: run 'apt-cache policy openssh-server'.  Then highlight the output with your mouse.  Then visit http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste the output in the box by hitting the middle click on your mouse
[12:49] <aryamaangiri> ok
[12:49] <aryamaangiri> done
[12:49] <aryamaangiri> now clik paste?
[12:50] <jrib> put a name and then paste
[12:50] <aryamaangiri> name in poster?
[12:50] <jrib> sure
[12:50] <aryamaangiri> done
[12:50] <jrib> now give me the url
[12:50] <aryamaangiri> download as text ?
[12:50] <aryamaangiri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/44168/
[12:51] <jrib> thanks
[12:51] <jrib> does 'ssh localhost' give you an error of some kind or log you in after you enter your password?
[12:52] <aryamaangiri> it gives me an error
[12:52] <jrib> what error?
[12:52] <aryamaangiri> it just keeps asking for passwrd
[12:52] <jrib> are you sure you entered the password correctly?  check caps lock, etc
[12:52] <aryamaangiri> yeah i entered it proprly
[12:52] <jrib> it's your user's password
[12:53] <aryamaangiri> yeah
[12:53] <jrib> what does the command 'whoami' return?
[12:53] <aryamaangiri> aryamaan
[12:53] <jrib> and you haven't edited /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
[12:54] <aryamaangiri> no
[12:54] <aryamaangiri> i dont even know wat that is
[12:54] <jrib> aryamaangiri: can you try 'ssh localhost' one more time and be extra careful with typing in the password?  It should be working...
[12:54] <aryamaangiri> ssh localhost?
[12:54] <aryamaangiri> in terminal
[12:54] <jrib> aryamaangiri: yeah
[12:54] <aryamaangiri> ?
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> this is the ouput
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> Linux aryamaan-desktop 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 22:56:21 UTC 2008 i686
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software;
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> applicable law.
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit:
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> http://help.ubuntu.com/
[12:55] <jrib> good you just used ssh, congatulations! :)
[12:55] <jrib> hit ctrl-d to get out of it
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> ok kool
[12:55] <aryamaangiri> done
[12:56] <jrib> now the issue lies with your router as morningwalker can't get to your computer
[12:56] <aryamaangiri> yeah
[12:56] <jrib> you need to forward port 22 on your router to your machine
[12:56] <aryamaangiri> how?
[12:56] <jrib> check portforward.com for instructions for your router
[12:56] <jrib> you want to setup "ssh server"
[12:56] <aryamaangiri> yeah
[12:57] <jrib> usually you go to <IP_ADDRESS> and set it up there, but routers vary, so check portforward.com
[12:57] <aryamaangiri> ok
[12:57] <aryamaangiri> i am on portforward.com
[12:58] <aryamaangiri> Your external IP address is <IP_ADDRESS>.
[12:58] <jrib> click on "common ports"
[12:58] <aryamaangiri> o
[12:58] <aryamaangiri> ok
[12:58] <aryamaangiri> now?
[12:58] <jrib> find ssh
[12:59] <jrib> then look for your router
[12:59] <aryamaangiri> found
[12:59] <aryamaangiri> i found ssh
[12:59] <morningwalker> jrib, aryamaan... pune is a developing city in Maharashtra... power shedding has become a solution to avoid certain environmental problems... hence no current... hence GOTTA GO!!!
[12:59] <aryamaangiri> but it isn't a link
[12:59] <jrib> find the next one
[12:59] <jrib> bye morningwalker
[13:00] <morningwalker> bye jrib
[13:00] <aryamaangiri> ok got it
[13:00] <aryamaangiri> now?
[13:00] <jrib> that's a link, click on it
[13:00] <morningwalker> thanks for sparing some time for the aryamaangiri
[13:00] <morningwalker> bye again
[13:00] <aryamaangiri> i clikd
[13:00] <aryamaangiri> it gives a list of routers or sumtin
[13:00] <jrib> aryamaangiri: is your router on that list?
[13:01] <aryamaangiri> no
[13:01] <aryamaangiri> i have D-Link
[13:01] <aryamaangiri> it isn't on the list
[13:03] <jrib> aryamaangiri: there are close to 50 dlink routers there, choose one with a similar model number and see if the interface is the same on your router
[13:03] <aryamaangiri> where is it??
[13:04] <jrib> at the bottom
[13:04] <aryamaangiri> i got it
[13:04] <aryamaangiri> ok i found mine
[13:04] <aryamaangiri> i clikd on it
[13:04] <jrib> then you have to read
[13:05] <aryamaangiri> ok dude
[13:05] <aryamaangiri> thx
[13:05] <aryamaangiri> bye
[13:05] <aryamaangiri> i g2g
[13:05] <jrib> bye
[13:05] <aryamaangiri> thx a lot man
[13:10] <morningwalker> aryamaangiri
[13:11] <morningwalker> jigr
[13:11] <morningwalker> u there?
[13:18] <morningwalker> jrib, what happened with the ssh thing??
[13:19] <jrib> morningwalker: I got aryamaangiri to the portforward.com page.  He needs to forward port 22 on his router
[13:19] <jrib> he had to go though
[13:19] <morningwalker> oh
[13:19] <morningwalker> explain it to me
[13:19] <morningwalker> i will get it done for him
[13:20] <jrib> the ip you have for him is for his router
[13:20] <jrib> so when you knock on port 22 on his router, his router needs to forward that to his computer running the ssh server
[13:20] <jrib> this is called port forwarding
[13:20] <jrib> you set it up throught the browser's interface, usually by going to <IP_ADDRESS> while you are on the network
[13:21] <jrib> portforward.com has instructions for many different routers as they all have different interfaces
[13:21] <jrib> morningwalker: about to go for a run, do you know what you need to do?
[13:23] <morningwalker> no!!
[13:23] <jrib> morningwalker: do you have a router?
[13:23] <morningwalker> a broadband modem
[13:23] <morningwalker> not a router
[13:23] <morningwalker> OH yes
[13:23] <jrib> morningwalker: have you ever used a router?
[13:23] <morningwalker> i remember
[13:24] <morningwalker> yes
[13:24] <morningwalker> i know
[13:24] <jrib> ok, good
[13:24] <morningwalker> he has a router
[13:24] <morningwalker> He, has WIFI enabled in his place so a router is necessary.
[13:24] <jrib> k
[13:24] <morningwalker> So what about a router present there??
[13:25] <jrib> you need to configure it to forward port 22 to his computer running the ssh server
[13:26] <morningwalker> so he has to manually configure his router??
[13:26] <jrib> yes
[13:26] <morningwalker> hmm
[13:26] <morningwalker> how can he do that??
[13:26] <morningwalker> any idea?
[13:26] <jrib> visit <IP_ADDRESS> on his network and you will see the admin interface
[13:26] <jrib> the documentation for his router should also be useful.  But portforward.com has guides as well
[13:26] <morningwalker> he his to go to <IP_ADDRESS> in the web address bar
[13:27] <jrib> yes, usually
[13:27] <morningwalker> and then change configurations??
[13:27] <jrib> yes
[13:27] <morningwalker> ok cool
[13:27] <jrib> to forward port 22 to his machine
[13:27] <morningwalker> i understood
[13:27] <jrib> great
[13:27] <morningwalker> do you live in india, jrib??
[13:27] <jrib> US
[13:28] <morningwalker> ok
[13:28] <morningwalker> jrib, check out my site www.itech7.com
[13:28] <jrib> no linux? :(
[13:29] <morningwalker> where??
[13:29] <jrib> never mind
[13:29] <morningwalker> if u r talking about the site content... its got linux as well
[13:30] <jrib> ah, I see
[13:30] <morningwalker> my friend nilesh runs this site using his pentium 3 500mhx fedora(linux) box...
[13:32] <morningwalker> jrib: you there?
[13:34] <jrib> morningwalker: yep, but I'm going to go for a run now
[13:34] <morningwalker> ok
[13:34] <morningwalker> bye
[13:34] <jrib> bye morningwalker.  Ask #ubuntu if you get stuck
[13:34] <morningwalker> jrib: thanks alot for your help
[13:34] <morningwalker> !!
[15:06] <Brootux> hi @ all wann gibts hier denn seminare? hab grad davon gehört :)
[15:08] <laga> ubuntu developer week ist schon rum, aber es gibt öfters welche. siehe links im topic
[15:08] <laga> und man spricht englisch ;)
[16:05] <Dabbu> is anything going here
[16:06] <Dabbu> is anything going here
[16:06] <laga> is anything going here
[16:07] <jrib> Dabbu, laga: nope, not now
[16:07] <laga> jrib: why not?
[16:07] <jrib> laga: there's nothing scheduled
[16:07] <laga> good point.
[16:07]  * laga j/k