[00:49] <Kangarooo> Hello!
[00:51] <Kangarooo> i want a filter all lauchpad emails .. how can i do that? i searched launchpad but it gives more.. i searched launchpad.net bug question but it doesn show anything.. how to view all launchpad emails? what i should search in gmail?
[00:53] <mwhudson> Kangarooo: have you seen http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/gmail-filters-for-launchpad-bug-email ?
[00:54] <Kangarooo> yeeey thx :) i hope there ill find answer- looks like that from url.. :) and there can i find more helpfull launchpad using tips or somewhere else? :)
[00:55] <mwhudson> there is stuff on help.launchpad.net
[00:55] <mwhudson> (tbh, the filtering is about the only area in which gmail isn't clearly the best MUA -- i don't understand what's so hard about filtering on arbitrary headers)
[00:56] <Kangarooo> eh.. actually with that link- there is no solution 4 searching all bug and question emails from launchpad.. :(
[00:58] <Kangarooo> searching launcpad.net gives also ubuntu mailing lists and answers.launchpad.net show question emails but doesnt gives launchpad bug emails from bugs.launchpad.net
[01:00] <mwhudson> i guess you might need more than one rule
[01:17] <Kangarooo> Hello! i found BIG bug in Launchpad.. Emails to Team Members are not possible to put in one Launchpad search so also not in one big Launchpad label
[01:18] <Kangarooo> i now wanted to add all emails from launchpad to be in 1 label launchpad but if team This message was sent from Launchpad by the user XXX (https://launchpad.net/~XXX) using the "Contact this team" link on the XXX team page to each member directly. For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople
[01:20] <Kangarooo> this messege as all other that directet to team users from launchpad im not able to  search with other emails from launchpad
[01:21] <wgrant> Kangarooo: Such messages have an X-Launchpad-Rationale header, like any other Launchpad email.
[01:23] <Kangarooo> what that? ok better how to search all emails from launchpad and launchpad emails like this last i descibed?
[01:23] <CarlFK> booted live cd into rescue mode: root w/ networking.  ran grub, kenrel vmlinux = segfauilt.  trying to report with ubuntu-but, which launched ... lynx I think...
[01:24] <CarlFK> it isn't accepting my login - do I need to enable cookies?
[01:24] <wgrant> Kangarooo: Filter on the X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale header field.
[01:25] <Kangarooo> so i need to put in search: X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale ? ok did that.. 0 results..
[01:25] <wgrant> You need to tell it that it's a header field.
[01:26] <Kangarooo> in search and in filter there is no field for header so.. cant search headers..
[01:26] <wgrant> Which email client are you using?
[01:26] <Kangarooo> gmail
[01:27] <wgrant> Ah. Ahahah.
[01:27] <Kangarooo> yes the most used one on planet earth.. stupid ppl with their gmail :)
[01:59] <mwhudson> ah damn, i should have clicked the buglink before removing it from the topic :)
[02:00] <Snova> I can't even load it.
[02:38] <Rafik> Hello, have somebody already reported the IOError happening now ?
[02:38] <mwhudson> Rafik: no?
[02:38] <Rafik> IOError
[02:38] <Rafik> A server error occurred.
[02:39] <mwhudson> hm
[02:39] <mwhudson> servers are being restarted at the moment
[02:39] <mwhudson> try again?
[02:40] <Rafik> now I receive an oops : Error ID: OOPS-1213EB381
[02:40] <Rafik> now it's ok
[02:40] <Ursinha> Rafik, this must be consequence of the servers being restarted
[02:40] <Rafik> yep
[02:40] <Rafik> thanks
[02:41] <mwhudson> yeah, me too
[02:41] <Rafik> it was just unusual to have such IOError
[02:41] <Rafik> i'm on the edge environment
[02:42] <Ursinha> Rafik, is it working now?
[02:42] <mwhudson> Rafik: yeah, non-edge should be fine
[02:42] <Rafik> Ursinha> yes, it's working fine
[05:12] <doctormo> I'm packaging up a binary driver which has a license which allows redistribtion, what's the rules on putting in on my ppa?
[06:55] <LaserJock> hi all, I noticed that I get a "permission denied" page when I try to do a team search for "canonical"
[06:56] <LaserJock> obviously there are likely private teams, but surely the non-private ones should show up on a search
[06:59] <spiv> LaserJock: sounds like a bug
[07:36] <wgrant> LaserJock: That was fixed a week or so ago.
[07:37] <LaserJock> wgrant: ok, I'm not running edge
[08:09] <Coke> Hi. Not really launchpad-related, but surely launchpad-generated ;) question here: what service do you use to get a webpage with screenshots and project-specific mailinglists? So far, all I can do with launchpad is host my code.
[08:11] <wgrant> Coke: Launchpad does mailing lists too, and I think screenshots would go on your project's homepage.
[08:12] <Coke> wgrant: it only has team mailing lists
[08:12] <Coke> wgrant: while it may suffice, it is also misleading since I'd setup a mailinglist primarely for a specific project rather than a development team.
[08:13] <wgrant> Coke: It has mailing lists that happen to be linked to teams, because a mailing list is a group of people. That doesn't mean that a team isn't associated with a project.
[08:13] <wgrant> IIRC they were going to work on linking projects and teams next release.
[08:14] <Coke> wgrant: what if I make a new project with new people, I need a new team to make a new unrelated mailing list?
[08:14] <wgrant> Coke: Yes. Teams are cheap./
[08:14] <Coke> wgrant: and frivolous to my work
[08:15] <Coke> wgrant: I'm currently spreading out the project over three different sites
[08:16] <wgrant> Coke: Is it particularly arduous to create an object representing a group of people in order to have something for that group of people?
[08:17] <Coke> wgrant: it's one extra step for every project
[08:17] <Coke> wgrant: also, since the team, for me at least, wouldn't represent any real group, it'd just be a placeholder
[08:18] <lifeless> Coke: there are bugs open about this already
[08:18] <wgrant> Coke: Right, there have been extensions to the project registration UI proposed to allow easy creation of the usual teams.
[08:18] <lifeless> Coke: some thoughts though, if I may
[08:18] <Coke> Please.
[08:18] <lifeless> Coke: firstly, projects may have N teas
[08:18] <lifeless> *teams*
[08:18] <wgrant> Coke: It is a real group. The group of subscribers to the mailing list.
[08:18] <lifeless> secondly, you may want lists without a project
[08:18] <lifeless> for instance, a list coordinating many projects
[08:18] <Coke> wgrant: as I understand it, subscribers and team members are not the same thing
[08:18] <lifeless> Coke: they are the same thing
[08:18] <Coke> lifeless: indeed.
[08:18] <wgrant> Coke: Right, the team members are a superset of the suscribers.
[08:19] <Coke> For huge project I could see a purpose of this grouping
[08:19] <Coke> Can a team have multiple lists?
[08:19] <lifeless> Coke: they are the same in that: if you are not in the group you cannot be subscribed; and if you don't want to receive mail but you want to e.g. read online, you still need to be in the group
[08:19] <wgrant> No - the list carries the name of the team.
[08:20] <lifeless> Coke: 'subscription' is just 'the folk that have the mailman 'deliver mail' flag turned on.
[08:20] <Coke> Ah. So to have -users and -devel I'd have to setup two teams?
[08:20] <wgrant> lifeless: You can read the archives of non-private lists without being a member.
[08:20] <wgrant> Coke: Yes.
[08:20] <Coke> That's not good at all.
[08:20] <wgrant> Why not?
[08:20] <lifeless> wgrant: yes, but please think about this for a couple of seconds :)
[08:20] <Coke> wgrant: unless you actually have teams and use them in practice it's useless
[08:21] <lifeless> Coke: I assure you, the internals of every mailing list manager look the same here
[08:21] <wgrant> Coke: It's not useless - they have mailing lists attached
[08:21] <Coke> wgrant: but what team? I don't have a team
[08:21] <lifeless> woah guys
[08:21] <lifeless> stop
[08:21] <lifeless> please
[08:21] <Coke> wgrant: the mailing list subscribers are the casual users of my software
[08:22] <lifeless> Coke: to have a group of people receive mail, with the ability to configure and tweak their settings, you need a group of people recorded somewhere.
[08:22] <lifeless> Coke: in launchpad that is *called* 'Team'.
[08:22] <Coke> lifeless: mailmain subscriptions and I don't configure and tweak their settings.
[08:22] <Coke> lifeless: they apply to the mailinglist via usual subscribe and tweak their own settings
[08:23] <lifeless> Coke: works exactly the same for launchpad, in fact we use mailman
[08:23] <Coke> As an example, I just added a mailing list to a project on a nother host, since the creation I did not touch any settings, yet the mailing list grows and lives.
[08:23] <lifeless> Coke: you wouldn't need to touch lots of settings in launchpad
[08:24] <Coke> lifeless: so people can subscribe without me even noticing?
[08:24] <wgrant> You just need to create an open team, create the list, ignore.
[08:24] <lifeless> Coke: is there some reason you think you would need to? What is the thing you are actually objecting to?
[08:24] <wgrant> Coke: If it's an open team, you don't need to know.
[08:24] <Coke> lifeless: I want to create _only_ a mailing list with least possible administrative work
[08:24] <Coke> I have no team so it makes no sense for me to create a team
[08:24] <Coke> The mailing list users are certainly not part of my team either.
[08:25] <lifeless> Coke: I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing, or you are attaching more meaning to the word team than it carries in launchpad
[08:25] <Coke> lifeless: possibly
[08:25] <lifeless> it would possibly be better if we changed the UI to say 'group' rather than 'team', but it currently says 'team' because thats where it started out.
[08:25] <Coke> I'm assuming a team has special rights for projects, etc.
[08:25] <lifeless> no
[08:26] <Coke> So what a team is only for maintaining mailnig lists?
[08:26] <lifeless> its a group of people
[08:26] <lifeless> it can be a list
[08:26] <Coke> I can create 3 teams for my one project to have three different mailing lists?
[08:26] <lifeless> yes
[08:27] <Coke> Ok, I can live with the extra administrative task of creating a team before creating a mailing list.
[08:27] <wgrant> A team is just some group of people. For bug subscriptions, or assignments. For privileges. For branch ownership. For mailing lists. For polluting the namespace. For adding useless emblems to your listing. There are lots of good reasons.
[08:27] <Coke> wgrant: well, I understand that
[08:27] <lifeless> Coke: its a single button click in the team once you create it
[08:27] <Coke> I like the idea of grouping users, I just don't see why mailing lists had to be tied down to that functionality
[08:28] <lifeless> Coke: because you have to have a group to send mail to them :)
[08:28] <Coke> it's two completely different things imo
[08:28] <wgrant> Isn't a mailing list a group of users? Isn't that the point?
[08:28] <Coke> lifeless: sure, but that group is self-maintained in my case.
[08:28] <Coke> fluid and unknown
[08:28] <lifeless> Coke: and it is in launchpad too
[08:29] <Coke> lifeless: it will work, but I still don't see why a group of launchpad users has to be connected to a group of email addresses
[08:29] <Coke> they have nothing to do with eachother in my case
[08:30] <lifeless> Coke: well, I can understand your point of view
[08:31] <Coke> Is the name of the list based on the name of the team?
[08:31] <lifeless> but I don't subscribe to it, because with a list you still need to validate addresses (to stop spammers signing people up), and so on
[08:31] <lifeless> it is the name of the team
[08:31] <lifeless> or the name of the team is the name of the list, if you prefer :)
[08:31] <Coke> lifeless: naw, I don't verify.
[08:31] <Coke> lifeless: I occationally block.
[08:31] <lifeless> Coke: mailman's subscription process does that
[08:32] <Coke> right.
[08:32] <lifeless> which means that it is still happening :)
[08:32] <Coke> Still, my team will be a placeholder only with me as only real member, rest are simply subscribers.
[08:32] <Coke> I dare not press "Create"
[08:33] <Coke> Can I remove it if I make a test one?
[08:34] <lifeless> if you want to experiment, use staging.launchpad.net
[08:34] <lifeless> you can do whatever you like there, its deleted daily
[08:35] <wgrant> (and it doesn't send email)
[08:35] <Coke> lifeless: yeh, I created a branch for one project that got screwed up, I couldn't push to it or use it in any way, so I created a new one and now I have two since I cannot delete the first one.
[08:36] <wgrant> Coke: You'll see a delete button next to the title of the branch.
[08:37] <Coke> wgrant: I'm looking at the code overview
[08:37] <Coke> cannot find "delete" on that page
[08:37] <wgrant> Coke: On the branch page.
[08:37] <wgrant> Not the listing.
[08:38] <wgrant> There's a bin icon to the right of the title.
[08:38] <Coke> where title says "Bazaar branches of <project>" ?
[08:38] <wgrant> Coke: No, that's the listing page. Go into the actual branch.
[08:38] <lifeless> click on the name of the branch
[08:38] <wgrant> The title is something like 'lp:blah'
[08:39] <Coke> found it
[08:39] <Coke> I had to enter the branch details page
[08:39] <Coke> I like the UI a lot, but I'd like a skin with text instead of Icons.
[08:40] <Coke> I really really don't like graphical user interfaces.
[08:40] <Coke> But if I have to use them I usually prefer the button to say "Close" rather than hve an image that I have to interpret. :)
[08:41] <Coke> never understood why people find icons easier to understand than plain text. might be to save space? dunno.
[08:42] <spiv> Coke: "A picture is worth 1000 words".  If it's a very small picture like an icon it might still be worth a couple of words ;)
[08:43] <Coke> spiv: bah, humbug! there's a reason chinese are now moving on to alphabet. ever see a collation table for hieroglyphs? :)
[08:43] <wgrant> But if it's the current Launchpad delete or edit icon, they're well known to not be worth much.
[08:43] <lifeless> Coke: chinese use ideograms don't they ?
[08:43] <Coke> wgrant: they are too small and cannot be easily searched for, that's all.
[08:43] <Coke> lifeless: well, true
[08:43] <lifeless> :)
[08:44] <Coke> lifeless: might even be that hieroglyphs are phonetic, I don't know
[08:44] <wgrant> Coke: Those two are particularly notorious.
[08:44] <Coke> in any case, both will eventually die out in the name of efficiency. hehe.
[08:45] <Coke> Do you guys use some host in particular for the project website?
[08:46] <wgrant> Some projects use a cheap general webhost, others use a VPS, we use a relevant server lying around uni somewhere...
[08:46] <Coke> Ok, I'll just stick with freshmeat for some screenies
[08:46] <Coke> Any possibility of launchpad setting up a simple http server with virtual hosts?
[08:47] <mwhudson> it's been talked about
[08:52] <lifeless> alternatively a wiki per project
[08:52] <lifeless> or some mix
[08:52] <Coke> lifeless: wiki would be nice, but it involves a lot more development from launchpad team
[08:53] <Coke> a virtual http host would literally take them an hour to setup, hehe.
[09:03] <sp_> Coke: maybe for the initial setup, but securing that one, especially if people want/need PHP, CGI or databases, (and people will want that too), will probably take a lot longer and require a lot more time for everyday administration
[09:04] <sp_> A built-in wiki probably won't need that much extra time for securing the setup, but requires some time to be developed :)
[09:12] <Coke> sp_: this could be rather easily solved by making just the front page wiki formatted
[09:13] <Coke> Ok, it wouldn't be a full wiki solution, but it would keep it small and tidy
[09:38] <philn> hi
[09:39] <philn> when i create a bug using launchpadlib and get bug's self_link i get something like: https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/bugs/367800
[09:39] <philn> but i see a traceback when i open that url
[09:41] <Coke> Is there a way to link to a specific subpage of a project? Like myproject/code or myproject/answers?
[09:41] <thekorn> philn, yes, because the correct url to this bug in the web ui is https://edge.launchpad.net/bugs/367800
[09:42] <thekorn> philn, so you have to drop "api." and "beta/"
[09:42] <philn> thekorn: isn't there a way to get a valid url with the api?
[09:42] <tsimpson> thekorn: all you need is the bug ID, it's just https://edge.launchpad.net/bugs/<BugID>
[09:43] <thekorn> philn, no there is not api method, but you can construct the url like tsimpson said
[09:43] <philn> ok .
[09:44]  * tsimpson drinks more coffee before addressing the wrong person again
[09:44] <tsimpson> it's only the 3rd time in the last hour :|
[10:47] <wgrant> philn: You might want to use staging.launchpad.net to avoid polluting the real database.
[10:48] <philn> wgrant: ok, sorry
[14:09] <cjwatson> Is there a mail server running for staging.launchpad.net? I'd like to test a fix for bug 246307, and would rather not use production if possible
[14:10] <beuno> cjwatson, staging doesn't send out emails
[14:10] <beuno> cjwatson, there's an inbox that some people can check
[14:12] <cjwatson> beuno: I'm not interested in sending out e-mails; as you'll see if you look at the bug, I'm interested in sending a mail *to* staging to find out whether it handles it correctly
[14:12] <beuno> ah
[14:13] <beuno> kiko, staging recieved email, right?
[14:19] <XiXaQ> I'm on a notify list for a bug, so that whenever someone adds a comment or changes something, then I get an email. However, when I open that bug to have a look at it and to post a comment, the checkbox that determines whether you should be notified or not, is not checked.
[14:19] <XiXaQ> shouldn't that know that I'm already on the list and make sure it's checked, and if I wanted to remove myself from the list, simply uncheck the same box I used to add myself to the list?
[15:39] <eagles0513875> hey guys i am trying to validate an old pgp key i created a while back and im havin some issues :(
[15:41] <eagles0513875> i dont have my secret key :(
[15:41] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me
[15:42] <LarstiQ> eagles0513875: what are you trying to do?
[15:46] <eagles0513875> upload my pgp key to launchpad
[15:46] <eagles0513875> its an old key i created a while back
[15:46] <LarstiQ> eagles0513875: if you don't have the secret key, you can't use it anymore
[15:46] <LarstiQ> eagles0513875: either you'll need to find the secret key, or create a new one
[15:46] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:48] <eagles0513875> LarstiQ: what i find strange though when i do sudo gpg --fingerprint its picking up my 2 old keys
[15:49] <LarstiQ> eagles0513875: --fingerprint uses solely the public key information
[15:49] <LarstiQ> eagles0513875: try -K to see a list of secret keys available
[15:52] <eagles0513875> what would secret key look like
[15:53] <LarstiQ> eagles0513875: look like where? gpg -K lists _only_ secret keys. Everything listed is a secret key.
[15:53] <eagles0513875> its listing a pub then key fingerprint then uid then sub
[15:54] <LarstiQ> does it start with sec#  ?
[15:54] <eagles0513875> neither of the 2 do
[15:55] <LarstiQ> what keyring does it say it gets the key from?
[15:55] <LarstiQ> eagles0513875: might need gpg --show-keyring -K
[15:59] <eagles0513875> its saying --show-keyring is depreciated
[16:14] <|eagles051387|> LarstiQ: what is the key id im trying to upload a new key
[16:14] <|eagles051387|> !pgp
[17:41] <eagles0513875> There is 1 error.
[17:41] <eagles0513875> (7, 9, 'No public key')
[17:45] <eagles0513875> anyone alive in here
[17:45] <eagles0513875> thats teh error i get up above when i try to sign the ubuntu code of conduct
[17:47] <maxb> eagles0513875: Do you have a PGP key registered with launchpad?
[17:47] <eagles0513875> yes i do mars
[17:47] <eagles0513875> mt maxb ya i do
[17:48] <eagles0513875> what does that error mean
[17:52] <maxb> Well, that was my only guess. You'll need to wait for a help contact to be on duty here, or file a question in the answers tracker
[17:52] <eagles0513875> maxb: question i had 2 other keys which i lost the secret key for that is why i had to recreate do i have to resign the code of conduct again
[17:53] <yann2> hi :) any issue with launchpda today? it seems pretty slow from here
[17:54] <eagles0513875> yann2: dunno if you can help me
[17:54] <eagles0513875> im trying to sign the code of conduct again i have uploaded my pgp key to my profile on launch pad
[17:54] <yann2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 < timeout on that
[17:54] <eagles0513875> There is 1 error.
[17:54] <eagles0513875> (7, 9, 'No public key')
[17:55] <eagles0513875> thats the error i get
[17:55] <yann2> eagles0513875 > I have no idea I'm afraid :)
[17:55] <eagles0513875> :(
[17:55] <yann2> erf thanks ubottu  for confirming :)
[18:01] <eagles0513875> any launchpad experts in here
[18:04] <maxb> If there's no-one around, you can leave a question at http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[18:08] <eagles0513875> ty btw maxb
[18:31] <alf> Hello, any idea how to change subscription settings for a branch (eg what kind of notifications to receive)? I can't seem to find it!
[18:34] <thekorn> alf, there is an "Edit your subscription" link on a page of the branch you are subscribed to
[18:35] <thekorn> it's a link lik: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~udt-contributors/ubuntu-desktop-testing/ubuntu-desktop-testing/+edit-subscription
[18:36] <thekorn> like, even
[18:41] <alf> thekorn: thanks, I was also looking for changing a team subscription. It is the small pencil like icon in the subscribers list in that page... not so easy to spot!
[19:04] <leifj> Can anyone help me merge two identities or delete one of them - I got myself registered twice
[19:05] <beuno> leifj, sure. Could you file a question in: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad?
[19:05] <beuno> that way we can verify your identity and do it
[19:05] <leifj> absolutely - thanks!
[19:05] <maxb> Why not just use the automatic interface?
[19:05]  * maxb tries to remember url
[19:05] <leifj> didn't know there was one...
[19:05] <leifj> that would be even better
[19:05] <salgado> leifj, if you have access to the email addresses of both accounts, then you can do it yourself
[19:06] <salgado> leifj, https://launchpad.net/people
[19:06] <leifj> that I can do
[19:06] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[19:06] <leifj> fantastic! thanks
[19:07] <eagles0513875> c/part
[19:13] <leifj> worked like a charm, thanks for the tip guys
[19:23] <leifj> now I'm excited about launchpad but I have a question...
[19:23] <leifj> has anyone talked about integrating launchpad.net with federated identity?
[19:25] <LarstiQ> leifj: I'm familiar with federation, but not federated identity as a term? Although it makes me think of openid.
[19:25] <leifj> openid 2.0 is closest to what I would like even if most of the communities I'm involved with use SAML 2.0
[19:27] <leifj> the big difference from openid 1.0 is that the relying party gets attributes along with an identifier - it would see to be very easy to setup launchpad.net to autocreate users based on attributes (email, displayname, etc) aswell as doing sso
[19:27] <leifj> it would almost be doable exernally from launchpad.net if there was an api for user management that could be used...
[19:27] <LarstiQ> leifj: all I know is that lp is an openid (version?) provider
[19:28] <LarstiQ> leifj: there is an lp api, I don't know how user management is done there
[19:28] <leifj> pointer to the api?
[19:29] <LarstiQ> leifj: https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpadlib I think
[19:33] <leifj> the openid provider is the "wrong" side - its about producing identities, I was talking about consuming identities
[19:33] <leifj> the apis might help when I find docs...
[19:35]  * LarstiQ gets launchpadlib
[19:36] <LarstiQ> leifj: launcpadlib/README.txt mentions https://help.launchpad.net/API
[19:36] <leifj> thx!
[19:44] <leifj> the apis don't support identity creation/import which doesn't really surprise me...
[19:45] <LarstiQ> right
[19:46] <leifj> you'd need a trusted entity which would be allowed to create persons or better still integrate (say) a saml sp or openid op in launchpad.net
[19:46] <leifj> needs to be openid 2.0 or saml 2.0 though - 1.x won't do the job
[19:47] <LarstiQ> leifj: have you considered talking to the launchpad developers? Maybe mail to launchpad-users?
[19:48] <leifj> I guess I should - I'm literaly minutes into this thinking. Federated identity is something I try to apply to all intresting services I come across.
[19:48] <leifj> who should I talk to specifically?
[19:50] <LarstiQ> leifj: I don't know specifics, if the launchpad-users mailing list is not appropriate I'd direct you to kiko
[19:50] <kiko> leifj, what's cookin?
[19:51] <leifj> this seems to be off-topic for a users list - they typically have too much traffic for an individual email to catch the eye of the right people
[19:51] <leifj> cookin?
[19:52] <leifj> oh I see
[20:22] <BenB> I guess it's know that the server has a flu and is extremely low (20-30s per page)?
[20:24] <BenB> slow
[20:29] <rowinggolfer> folks, advise please.
[20:29] <rowinggolfer> I have a project at http://launchpad.net/openmolar
[20:29] <rowinggolfer> I would like to make a deb
[20:30] <rowinggolfer> but I am confused as to exactly what the PPA system does on my behalf
[20:30] <LarstiQ> rowinggolfer: it builds .debs from source uploads, and provides an apt repo for people to add to their sources.list
[20:30] <LarstiQ> rowinggolfer: you still have to do the packaging yourself
[20:31] <rowinggolfer> as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python ??
[20:31] <mthaddon> BenB: should be returning to normality soon
[20:32] <LarstiQ> rowinggolfer: that seems a thorough tutorial, yes
[20:32] <BenB> mthaddon: so, you're on it, good, thanks.
[20:32] <mthaddon> not me personally, but yeah, it's a known issue - is it still slow for you?
[20:36] <BenB> mthaddon: yes
[20:37] <BenB> (and for others I spoke to)
[21:04] <gspr> Is the PPA size estimate still off?
[21:06] <gspr> my PPA (https://launchpad.net/~gspreemann/+archive/ppa) is estimated at 935 MB, but it doesn't seem right at all
[21:18] <happosade> How does those PPA really works?
[21:19] <happosade> Can I get my own applications or get newest from LP?
[21:27] <XiXaQ> happosade, you can host your own projects on launchpad, yes, and you can publish packages in a PPA which users can subscribe to. That way, updates to your packages will be pushed through Ubuntus update system.
[21:28] <happosade> Can I subscribe projects to my personal PPA and then just add it to mine source list?
[21:33] <maxb> happosade: Projects do not subscribe to PPAs. I don't understand what you mean. Try explaining what you're trying to do in more depth, or explaining it differently.
[21:34] <happosade> I would like to subscribe newest verion of some projects, and download them from personal PPA.
[21:35] <maxb> That is not how PPAs work.
[21:35] <happosade> Ok
[21:35] <maxb> Your personal PPA contains only what *you* publish
[21:36] <happosade> Ok
[22:05] <rowinggolfer> I am editing the debian changelog for a package I am building
[22:05] <rowinggolfer> how do I find my bugnumber?
[22:12] <mwhudson> rowinggolfer: i don't understand
[22:12] <rowinggolfer> I am at the ~dch -e
[22:14] <rowinggolfer> following this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python
[22:15] <rowinggolfer> "if the package is only for ubuntu, the bug should be a launchpad bug"
[22:16] <rowinggolfer> "and we should change 'Closes' with 'LP'"
[22:16] <rowinggolfer> so I am unsure what I should use in that line
[22:16] <rowinggolfer> I have the following
[22:17] <rowinggolfer> * Initial release (LP #nnnn) <nnnn is the number of your ITP>
[22:17] <rowinggolfer> so, where can I find the number of my ITP??
[22:17] <rowinggolfer> does that make sense?
[22:18] <rowinggolfer> hmmm
[22:19] <rowinggolfer> LP:openmolar
[22:19] <rowinggolfer> is that what I put in there??
[22:19] <Ampelbein> rowinggolfer: no, you must first open a bug on launchpad and enter the bugnumber there.
[22:20] <rowinggolfer> my software is bug free though ;)
[22:21] <mwhudson> but it has this terrible bug of not being packaged for ubuntu
[22:21] <rowinggolfer> ok... that's bug no.1
[22:21] <mwhudson> rowinggolfer: are you packaging for ubuntu proper or a ppa?
[22:21] <rowinggolfer> ppa
[22:22] <mwhudson> then you probably don't want to bother with a bug for now
[22:22] <mwhudson> i don't think uploads to ppa's close bugs anyway
[22:22] <mwhudson> (i should hope not!)
[22:23] <rowinggolfer> I have opened said bug now
[22:24] <rowinggolfer> so I put that number in there?
[23:42] <Jeruvy> fyi: timeout errors on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cve
[23:43]  * Ursinha looks
[23:47] <Ursinha> oops
[23:47] <Ursinha> okay
[23:47] <Ursinha> bug 353590 :)


[00:12] <`Matir> Does anyone in here have an environment using LDAP authentication where LDAP users are able to hotplug USB devices?
[10:56] <laga> ogra: wow. the squashs including all mythtv stuff is 450M :)
[10:56] <laga> s/squashs/squashfs/
[11:50] <laga> ogra: ping
[21:07] <kevin_> wb PriceChild


[23:48] <amurray> my understanding is the debuginfod bits are gathered from the contents of the ddebs as mdeslaur said above


[04:11] <csgeek> is there a devel channel or is this the appropriate venue for questions?
[04:43] <JanC> csgeek: asking devel questions here is okay, not sure if anybody is around to answer at the moment though
[04:48] <duanedesign> csgeek: you mean questions about hacking on Ubuntu One ?
[06:38] <csgeek> I mean .. compiling from source and it not working..
[06:38] <csgeek> but anyways.. atm.. I'm too sleepy to be coherent.
[08:40] <dholbach> hiya
[08:40] <dholbach> how can I add computers to ubuntu one?
[08:41] <dholbach> I had a very long list with dozens of entries of my two computers and I removed them all and wanted to re-add them :)
[08:42] <dholbach> hey aquarius
[08:48] <dholbach> hey rye
[08:48] <duanedesign> hello dholbach
[08:48] <dholbach> how are you doing?
[08:48] <dholbach> hola duanedesign
[08:48] <rye> dholbach, hello
[08:49] <duanedesign> dholbach: just opening the Ubuntu One preferences isnt prompting the add computer?
[08:49] <dholbach> rye, I think I did some overexcessive local Ubuntu One cleaning (I got a list of dozens of devices - I actually have 2 computers, so I removed them all, hoping to re-add them just once and be done with it)
[08:49] <dholbach> duanedesign, unfortunately not
[08:50] <duanedesign> check system > preferences > password and encryption keys
[08:50] <duanedesign> and see if you have an ubuntu one token
[08:52] <dholbach> duanedesign,
[08:52] <dholbach> duanedesign, yes, on both machines
[08:53] <duanedesign> dholbach: hmm. I thought it did a better job of removing those (it == mav)
[08:53] <rye> duanedesign, lp:~rye/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-indicator
[08:53] <duanedesign> dholbach: if you r-click and delete them, then when you open the Ubunt One > Me Menu it should prompyt you to add
[08:53] <rye> duanedesign, checking whether it is able to remove the token...
[08:54] <rye> ok, it asks ubuntu_sso to remove the token...
[08:55] <dholbach> duanedesign, much better
[08:55] <duanedesign> okies
[08:56] <dholbach> muchas gracias
[08:56] <duanedesign> :)
[08:57] <rye> hm, anybody able to check whether their syncdaemon is connected?
[08:57] <dholbach> mine says "auth failed"
[08:57]  * duanedesign looking
[08:58] <duanedesign> rye: looks like mine is
[09:02] <dholbach> one is connected now and processing queues, the other one is "waiting before try connecting again"
[09:18] <duanedesign> rye: hmm. i disconnected and cant seem to get reconnected
[09:19] <rye> duanedesign, poking the team about that, me too
[09:21] <duanedesign> rye: quick coupleof questions :)
[09:22] <rye> duanedesign, sure
[09:22] <duanedesign> rye: what happens if you connect a pre UDF U1 to a newer versionwith UDFs
[09:23] <rye> dholbach, could you please re-check whether syncdaemon works now for you?
[09:23] <duanedesign> say someone has 9.10 and a machine with 10.04. Those UDFs will just not show up?
[09:24] <rye> duanedesign, 9.10 client knows only about root volume so it will not do anything about other volumes
[09:24] <duanedesign> ok
[09:24] <dholbach> rye,
[09:24] <dholbach>     description: waiting before try connecting again
[09:24] <dholbach>     is_connected: False
[09:24] <rye> duanedesign, and root volume is '~/Ubuntu One'
[09:24] <dholbach> I'll -q -c it
[09:24] <rye> dholbach, ok, it should be reconnecting regularly
[09:25] <duanedesign> rye: and there is a thread on the forums about running Ubuntu One on PPC
[09:25] <rye> re: indicator - http://ubuntuone.com/p/InG/
[09:26] <rye> looks like i found an UDF-related bug :(
[09:27] <duanedesign> indicator looks nice
[09:27] <dholbach> rye, it's still in the same state
[09:27] <dholbach> I wonder why it's not connecting
[09:28] <dholbach> or not succeeding in connecting or whatever
[09:28] <rye> if a user has 2 machines connected and removes the udf from the first one, then upon the reconnect of the second computer the UDFs will get back to life :-/
[09:28] <dholbach> what's UDF?
[09:28] <duanedesign> aha, minelooks like it is wanting to connect now
[09:28] <duanedesign> User Designated Folder
[09:29] <duanedesign> a folder other then ~/Ubuntu\ One that is set to sync
[09:33] <duanedesign> rye: http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/U1.SS.indicator.png
[09:34] <rye> duanedesign, yeah, disabled entries look awful, need to re-enable them
[15:23] <mahen> Hi ! :)
[16:04] <popey> honk
[16:04] <rye> popey, hi!
[16:04] <popey> hullo!
[16:04] <popey> I keep getting scary things happen with tomboy..
[16:04] <rye> popey, hello, i have good news for you
[16:04] <popey> i had 1.2.1 for windows installed, had an issue so synced to u1
[16:04] <rye> popey, we have replication opened
[16:04] <popey> you have what now?
[16:05] <rye> well, proper is "we have opened the replication" for CouchDB
[16:05] <popey> is that good?
[16:05] <popey> i feel I should be more excited than I am
[16:05] <rye> popey, yes, because it is much more manageable now. Could you please continue asking your question ? :)
[16:05] <popey> heh, thanks
[16:05] <popey> i upgraded to the (almost released) 1.4.1 for windows
[16:06] <popey> i synced before I removed 1.2, and then again after i installed 1.4.1
[16:06] <popey> when I synced I got a bunch of conflicts and then a load of notes got "updated"
[16:06] <popey> I am at a complete loss as to how notes I haven't touched whilst tomboy was _not_ installed can have been updated
[16:06] <popey> I now have a bunch of (old) (old) notes.
[16:08] <popey> i am now anticipating going home and getting the same "sync and a bunch of old notes arrive" magic on my home computer(s)
[16:09] <popey> which will then replicate back to work
[16:09] <popey> and I'l have double the (old) (old) notes again :(
[16:11] <rye> rodrigo_, were there any changes for notes handling that might have caused this ^ ?
[16:11] <rodrigo_> rye, not that I know
[16:16] <popey> I guess the main problem I have is why do I get note conflicts at all, when only one machine is currently editing notes.
[16:17] <rodrigo_> popey, you have only changed them in one machine?
[16:17] <rodrigo_> and are all ma,chines in sync?
[16:17] <popey> i change them on lots of machines but on only one at a time
[16:17] <popey> some machines are off, not logged in, and therefore not in sync
[16:17] <popey> but the first thing I do when I open them is sync
[16:18] <rodrigo_> right, but you sync them before editing on the other machines?
[16:18] <popey> yes
[16:18] <popey> e.g. sync, leave work, arrive home, start pc, sync, edit notes, sync, shutdown pc
[16:18] <rodrigo_> hmm, maybe some sync failed?
[16:19] <popey> unlikely, i tend to spot that
[16:19] <rodrigo_> so, the conflicts are because the revision #'s are not in sync, that's the thing tomboy checks
[16:28] <popey> sure
[16:28] <popey> but on this machine I just upgraded tomboy and lots of conflicts happened and notes got updated immediately after the notes update
[16:28] <popey> s/notes update/tomboy update/
[16:29] <popey> it just feels like pot luck sometimes whether I'm going to get a successful sync, and whether notes are going to get conflicted, despite me doing the right thing, by only editing in one place
[16:29] <popey> it just _feels_ unstable, which makes me lose confidence that my stuff is safe.
[16:30] <popey> maybe I should set all my tomboy shortcuts to run in debug mode and store the debug logs somewhere, so when this happens I can go back and try to figure out whats going on
[16:30] <popey> as it is, there's pretty much nothing anyone can do
[17:03] <csgeek> okay.. so.. I was trying to get UbuntuOne packaged on ArchLinux..and I was wondering what's a good place to ask for help on the topic.  Is the ubuntuone-users list a good place.. or is there a better place I should tag with questions
[17:05] <beuno> csgeek, yes, the list is a good place to ask
[18:04] <postfuturist> I have a 50 Gb plan which I downgraded to 2 Gb plan with the idea of adding a single 20 Gb pack, but I can't seem to be able to do that, yet. I currently have more than 2 gigs of files, will I lose some of them at the end of the billing cycle?
[18:05] <beuno> postfuturist, hi
[18:05] <beuno> you will not loose any files
[18:05] <beuno> lets fix this for you, though
[18:06] <postfuturist> bueno: thanks.
[18:06] <beuno> postfuturist, so, you canceled your 50gb, and when you go to get more storage
[18:07] <beuno> it doesn't let you add 20-packs?
[18:07] <postfuturist> The only option is to reactivate subscription, which just turns the $10 a month 50Gb plan back on.
[18:08] <beuno> postfuturist, the same when going to: https://one.ubuntu.com/plans ?
[18:09] <postfuturist> It says "You're subscribed to the 50 GB plan. In order to use 20-Packs, you'll need to cancel your current plan, and resubscribe in 20 GB increments." I've already cancelled the plan, but there is nowhere to add 20 Gb packs.
[18:09] <mahen> beuno : I have the very same issue. It's an acknowledged  problem :)
[18:09] <beuno> postfuturist, mahen, ah, gotcha
[18:09] <beuno> so, we can fix this
[18:09] <beuno> mahen, who have you talked to?
[18:10] <mahen> (BTW, before this story, I downgraded & re-upgraded my account and although it was said to be a 50 GB account, the quota was only 2 GB :)
[18:10] <mahen> beuno : joshua is aware of this, he kindly helped me before
[18:11] <beuno> joshuahoover, hi
[18:11] <beuno> mahen, postfuturist, can you send me your email addresses in private?
[18:12] <rye> Tomboy [ERROR 20:11:39.123] Caught exception. Message: The remote server returned an error: (500) INTERNAL SERVER ERROR. - now in my local development environment!
[18:12] <rye> erm
[18:15] <joshuahoover> beuno: yes, mahen and i have spoken, jdo looked into the original problem of the 50 GB plan
[18:15] <beuno> mahen, postfuturist, give it a try now
[18:15] <rodrigo_> rye, look at the logs in tmp/ in your branch
[18:17] <mahen> beuno : it's fixed :) (BTW, I had paid 2 months in advance, are they lost ? It's OK if it's the case, I would have donated anyway when the new ubuntu is out)
[18:17] <beuno> mahen, they are not lost, I'll make sure you have them as credit
[18:18] <mahen> beuno : thanks :)
[18:20] <beuno> mahen, credits applied. Not sure if they are exposed on the UI anywhere, but it will use up the credits from now on before debiting from your credit card
[18:21] <rye> rodrigo_, hm, did that against production :-/, re-trying in dev
[18:24] <beuno> postfuturist, let me know if it got solved for you as well
[18:26] <rye> rodrigo_, ha! - The proxy server received an invalid\\r\\nresponse from an upstream server.
\\r\\nThe proxy server could not handle the request <a href="/u/c4c/a42/1/notes/500669cc-ba8e-41df-972b-e0785710b762 Conflicted copy" - i tried testing the "uuid" that Dropbox gave to popey's note
[18:30] <postfuturist> beuno: Yeah, it got fixed. I had to resubscribe, but it let me add a single 20 Gb pack.
[18:38] <beuno> postfuturist, great, let me know if I can do anything else to help
[18:38] <postfuturist> beuno: thanks, I'm happy now
[18:39] <beuno> I'm happy you're happy
[19:00] <rye>  rodrigo_ok, got first ResourceConflict - happens when a note is resurrected from Backup folder
[19:15] <wunderbar> Can someone please help. Ive tried to use U1 since its inception, but my U1 folder is never synced up between work and home. Should I delete all computers listed and start over?
[19:18] <kklimonda> funny, the new paying scheme isn't as good as the old one. sure it's much more elastic but you get 8GB less for $10 if you also choose music streaming and contacts syncing.. well, I guess it's still a good thing if you don't use whole 50GB
[19:20] <AJenbo> kklimonda, well i guess that is why you can stay on the 50GB plan if you liked that best
[19:20] <AJenbo> But now you also have an option if you need more then 50GB
[19:20] <kklimonda> true
[19:21] <beuno> or less  :)
[19:21] <AJenbo> Yeah I'm at 21,6GB right now :D
[19:22] <wunderbar> honk
[19:23] <AJenbo> What happens if i cancle my 50GB plan, will you just delete 19,6GB and sync the delet to all my machines before i can have time to pay for a 20GB-pack?
[19:23] <beuno> AJenbo, no, we won't delete
[19:23] <kklimonda> I was actually looking for the smaller plan but the separation of "extras" surprised me
[19:24] <kklimonda> or rather "looking forward to the new, smaller*"
[19:24] <AJenbo> beuno, how long will i have to buy the 20pack?
[19:24] <rye> wunderbar, hi
[19:25] <wunderbar> hi rye
[19:25] <wunderbar> Can someone please help. Ive tried to use U1 since its inception, but my U1 folder is never synced up between work and home. Should I delete all computers listed and start over?
[19:25] <kklimonda> AJenbo: data isn't deletet but you can't sync anymore until you get it under the new quota
[19:25] <AJenbo> kklimonda, thanks
[19:25] <kklimonda> I'm not sure if there is any timelimit after which its removed from server.
[19:25] <wunderbar> rye - im thining of deleting my computers and re-adding them again via the FAQ instructions
[19:25] <wunderbar> im using maverick
[19:26] <rye> wunderbar, ok, in maverick it is simpler and not involves browser - but if you have updated from lucid then you will have an old token that may or may not be working
[19:26] <wunderbar> yes, it was updated :|
[19:27] <wunderbar> should i emove the token
[19:27] <wunderbar> *remove
[19:27] <rye> wunderbar, please open seahorse (System / Preferences / Passwords & Encryption keys) - and remove the tokens that have the names 'UbuntuOne token for https://ubuntuone.com' and 'Ubuntu One'
[19:27] <rye> wunderbar, after that we need to make sure that ubuntu-sso-login process does not cache any data so we will kill it - killall ubuntu-sso-login
[19:31] <wunderbar> "ubuntu-sso-login: no process found"
[19:32] <rye> wunderbar, ok, now you can run ubuntuone-preferences from MeMenu or System / Preferences / Ubuntu One
[19:33] <rye> wunderbar, after preferences window is opened you will be able to log in to your existing account - this button is located at the bottom of the window
[19:34] <wunderbar> i logged in and it said "congrats"
[19:34] <wunderbar> should i remove my other computer listed and do these same steps at home?
[19:34] <rye> wunderbar, ok, now click 'Close' in that window and check what does ubuntuone-preference show now?
[19:35] <wunderbar> shows my info, how much space im using etc. i see three computers listed now
[19:35] <rye> wunderbar, yes, if it is running maverick as well then you might need to get new tokens
[19:35] <wunderbar> my old one for this comp, my home info and todays new computer info
[19:36] <rye> well, you can remove other computers and then clean up tokens on them
[19:38] <wunderbar> ok, thanks!
[19:39] <rye> wunderbar, you are welcome!
[19:42] <wunderbar> +100 for rye!!!!
[19:42] <rye> :)
[19:42] <rye> wunderbar, could you please check whether your files started uploading /downloading ?
[19:48] <wunderbar> it said "synchronizing" and then it said it was complete. i didnt delete any files.
[19:49] <wunderbar> i'll stick some new files in my U1 folder and see if it syncs up at home
[20:16] <wunderbar> is there any way we can use UbuntuOne to sync our evolution files?
[20:19] <karni> U1 is down?
[20:19] <karni> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later
[20:19] <beuno> karni, seems fine. Where do you see that?
[20:20] <karni> hi beuno, published a file http://ubuntuone.com/p/IuP/
[20:20] <beuno> karni, yeap, alerting the sysadmins
[20:20] <karni> and it has the green tick (my bad, so it's syncing, but looks like not published)
[20:20] <karni> beuno: thanks.
[20:22] <mkarnicki> beuno: looks like already working!
[20:23] <mkarnicki> that was fast
[20:23] <beuno> mkarnicki, I think they where already being restart
[20:23] <mkarnicki> beuno: I see
[20:24] <beuno> mkarnicki, btw, we rolled out a mobile-friendly version of SSO
[20:24] <mkarnicki> beuno: anyway, thank you for propmt response
[20:24] <mkarnicki> beuno: already? you guys are fast o_O!
[20:24] <mkarnicki> beuno: can I have a look?
[20:24] <beuno> mkarnicki, we had been working on making that web ui nicer
[20:24] <beuno> mkarnicki, sure, just logout from SSO on your phone
[20:24] <beuno> and try to use your app  ;)
[20:24] <mkarnicki> beuno: oh, you mean the web version
[20:25] <mkarnicki> beuno: I thought you already meant the captcha way and I was like
[20:25] <mkarnicki> what?! they already implemented that? :D
[20:25]  * mkarnicki is on it
[20:25] <beuno> heh, no, not yet
[20:26] <mkarnicki> beuno: sorry I was away for quite a while. had to set my academic plan right, and settle when I came back
[20:26] <mkarnicki> beuno: I'm already working on UDF support
[20:26] <beuno> mkarnicki, it's great to see you back!
[20:26] <mkarnicki> I'm happy to be back!
[20:29] <mkarnicki> beuno: it does look much better :)
[20:29] <beuno> :)
[20:30] <mkarnicki> I think to myself if the upper user menu on the web could be 'verticalized' just like the options on the bottom
[20:30] <mkarnicki> beuno: ↑ because on a phone you still have to scrool left to navigate using the menu (unless you zoom out and are still able to read it :D )
[20:31] <mkarnicki> beuno: I *love* on all the stuff U1 team has been working on
[20:32] <mkarnicki> beuno: dashboard, music streaming, new pricing plans
[20:32] <mkarnicki> beuno: many changes for much better!
[20:32] <beuno> mkarnicki, I'm excited as well!
[21:23] <mahen> Hey guys, is it normal U1 takes several hours before actually beginning to send datas, when synchronizing a new large amount of data ? (u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l gave me something >10 000 are is decreasing slowly)
[21:23] <mahen> -are+and
[22:52] <jonasfa> the support contact form is not working
[22:53] <jonasfa> it says "something has gone wrong"
[22:53] <jonasfa> all the time
[22:53] <beuno> jonasfa, are you logged in?
[22:53] <rye> jonasfa, there is a bug about that, it does not work for not logged-in users even though it has 'Signup' form question
[22:53] <rye> ah
[22:53] <beuno> right
[22:54] <rye> bug #623524
[22:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 623524 in ubuntuone-servers "Anonymous Users cannot use /support/contact/ (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623524
[22:54] <jonasfa> beuno, rye: after signing in i've got a 403 forbidden error
[22:55] <rye> jonasfa, 403 on what URL?
[22:55] <jonasfa> beuno, rye: only for the first time... second it worked fine
[22:55] <rye> jonasfa, hmm
[22:56] <jonasfa> rye: just after submitting the support contact form
[22:57] <jonasfa> well, the reason why i'm trying to contact the support team is that all my files have gone :(
[22:57] <jonasfa> they're just not there anymore
[22:59] <rye> jonasfa, coudl you please provide the email you are using with ubuntuone?
[22:59] <jonasfa> rye: jonasfa at gmail dot com
[22:59] <mahen> jonasfa: did it occur when you try to downgrade / upgrade the account with 20 GB increments ?
[22:59] <mahen> -try+tried
[22:59] <rye> jonasfa, how many clients do you keep synchronized and what is the version of the clients?
[23:00] <jonasfa> mahen: i received an email october 1st saying i've got 50GB capacity, but i didn't purchase that. also, my account have the basic 2gb now
[23:01] <beuno> jonasfa, right, so that email was because you signed up to the music streaming beta
[23:01] <beuno> ignore it  :)
[23:01] <jonasfa> rye: till last week, 3 up-to-date lucid. starting this week: 2 RC maverick
[23:01] <jonasfa> beuno: ok, ty :)
[23:01] <jonasfa> rye: i don't know the exact ubuntuone version. only know it was the most up-to-date till then
[23:03] <rye> jonasfa, could you please send us the archived logs of all your clients archived from ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log ? to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:03] <jonasfa> rye: sure
[23:04] <jonasfa> rye: is it be possible to restore my files? :/
[23:04] <rye> jonasfa, how many megabytes have you used?
[23:04] <rye> jonasfa, roughly
[23:04] <jonasfa> rye: hmm.  less than 20MB
[23:05] <rye> jonasfa, i've ran the recovery and your quota is now at 6.6 Mb
[23:05] <jonasfa> rye: thank you!! :D
[23:05] <jonasfa> rye: thank you very much
[23:05] <rye> jonasfa, you should see the files in Recovery folder
[23:06] <rye> jonasfa, *Recovered
[23:06] <jonasfa> rye: i can see them, they're all there.. thank you very much
[23:08] <jonasfa> rye: man, you saved my day
[23:08] <jonasfa> xD
[23:10] <rye> jonasfa, i keep looking forward to the day when users will be able to recover their files... This is actually in the plan but not yet implemented. Still, we are very interested in the reason why the files were deleted?
[23:11] <rye> jonasfa, how did you notice that and what folder was removed? Have you moved Ubuntu One folder anywhere? or it was done w/o your interaction (which we will be more than interested in)
[23:11] <jonasfa> rye: i'm collecting those logs right now :)
[23:12] <rye> jonasfa, thanks!
[23:12] <jonasfa> rye: today i nedded a file thath was stored in Ubuntu One. when i gone to the ~/Ubuntu\ One folder, it was empty...
[23:12] <rye> jonasfa, the folder was empty or the file was empty
[23:12] <jonasfa> rye: the folder... there were only that "shared with me" link
[23:13] <rye> jonasfa, that's interesting
[23:13] <jonasfa> rye: if I move the "Ubuntu One" folder, all files gets deleted from server?
[23:15] <jonasfa> rye: before installing maverick RC in my laptop, i started to delete all folders i didn't need from my home folder.. and I deleted the "Ubuntu One" folder too..
[23:15] <jonasfa> rye: may be that the reason of this occurence?
[23:17] <rye> jonasfa, you removed the files, not moved the folder to some other place, right?
[23:18] <jonasfa> rye: i've deleted the "~/Ubuntu One" folder through Nautilus
[23:19] <jonasfa> rye: i'm not sure if I used delete(move to trash) or shift+delete(delete forever)
[23:20] <rye> jonasfa, yes, then it will delete the files within Ubuntu One folder, since that operates on the assumption that if you remove file locally then you will need to remove the file from the server
[23:20] <jonasfa> rye: shame on me
[23:21] <kklimonda> that's why dropbox has such an extensive revert system
[23:21] <rye> jonasfa, i guess you can stop collecting the logs, the reason is known now
[23:21] <jonasfa> rye: anyways... thank you very much for helping me out
[23:24] <rye> kklimonda, true, enabling user to recover their files is an extremely required feature, it is going to be introduced but it is not yet there, unfortunately
[23:25] <kklimonda> rye: and how is delta syncing shaping up?
[23:29] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: verterok told me it's already rolled out on PC client
[23:30] <kklimonda> yay
[23:30] <rye> mkarnicki, kklimonda i believe we are talking about different deltas
[23:30] <mkarnicki> oh.. if that's the case sorry for interrupting.
[23:31] <mkarnicki> I was talking about partial file sync when file's modified
[23:31] <rye> mkarnicki, kklimonda, initially the client used to query the server about each and every file on startup causing SERVER_RESCAN being a significant part of the handshake. Now the client asks the server about the changes since the latest connection.
[23:32] <rye> mkarnicki, the file delta is not yet there since the server does not analyze the incoming content. For now.
[23:33] <mkarnicki> rye: right, the generations
[23:33] <mkarnicki> rye: the client tells the last generation they know, and receive the delta, right?
[23:33] <rye> mkarnicki, yes
[23:34] <mahen> rye : are there some checksum verifications ?
[23:36] <rye> mahen, could you please clarify your question?
[23:36] <mahen> rye : well, is the MD5sum (for instance) computed on the local and distant file to check if the transfer integrity is OK ?
[23:36] <rye> mahen, the client and server maintains the checksum of the data uploaded
[23:38] <mkarnicki> mahen: there's virtually no other way than checksums to verify success of sync
[23:39] <mahen> mkarnicki, rye : OK, thanks :)
[23:39] <mkarnicki> mahen: you're welcome
[23:39] <rye> mkarnicki, mahen, just checked - yes, there is a checksum on upload, client supplies its' view, server verifies that it sees the same
[23:40] <mkarnicki> rye: great :)
[23:40] <mahen> good then :)
[23:42] <rye> ok, now something that is not part of ubuntuone but i made it to be able to do publishing faster. Earlier I created a dbus listener to publish the file once it is uploaded. Now i have an Indicator to accompany it. - http://ubuntuone.com/p/Ivh/ . As I was told, UX team will hate me :)
[23:43] <mkarnicki> rye: hehehehh :)
[23:43] <kklimonda> rye: you have a indicator applet? /me wants one
[23:44] <rye> kklimonda, well, it is really a very early version, made quickly just to be there, consists of one script and lives in lp:~rye/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-indicator
[23:44] <kklimonda> rye: why would they hate you for that? some sort of indication that data is syncing is a no-brainer to me
[23:44] <kklimonda> no more having U1 disabled for weeks at a time :/
[23:45] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: because they have decided 'no indicator' long time ago
[23:45] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: which doesn't mean I agree. I disagree
[23:45] <ajmitch> it's the sort of thing that people do want to see activity on though
[23:45] <mkarnicki> rye: I seem to have problems downloading that published file :<
[23:46] <mkarnicki> ajmitch: true
[23:46] <beuno> I think we will change "our" minds soon
[23:46] <kklimonda> mkarnicki: well, there are other options like I've told you at LwB - making me menu a sync indicator may be a good idea, I should probably poke some UX guys about it
[23:46] <mkarnicki> rye: aa works with firefox. not so well with chrome
[23:46] <rye> kklimonda, well, I hope i can make something decent out of it and provide it as a PPA because I just NEED to see whether u1 is up or down, what's the state of syncdaemon w/o u1sdtool --status...
[23:46] <mkarnicki> beuno: :)
[23:46] <ajmitch> beuno: what bribes will it take?
[23:47] <kklimonda> rye: right, using u1sdtool to check the progress is just retarded.. no other word for it.
[23:47] <duffydack> +1 for indicator
[23:47] <beuno> ajmitch, I sense a more pragmatic approach to certain problems in the near future
[23:47] <ajmitch> beuno: that's good :)
[23:47] <kklimonda> beuno: good to hear that :)
[23:47] <mkarnicki> rye: that's freakin awesome! I love it :)
[23:47] <mkarnicki> rye: (I've seen the clip)
[23:47] <rye> No ogv video in chrome... hmm
[23:48] <mkarnicki> rye: no, there was some player, but it looked like having problems loading it
[23:48] <rye> mkarnicki, only Disconnect and Published Files work there, well and connect
[23:48] <mkarnicki> rye: i'm on 10.04
[23:48] <rye> mkarnicki, yup, chromium here does not want to play it
[23:48] <duffydack> Any idea if published files will look different in nautilus?
[23:49] <duffydack> like, everything has a green tick.. how about having it as a blue tick
[23:49] <kklimonda> ok, time for me to get some sleep - g'night :)
[23:49] <mkarnicki> duffydack: you can check by right clicking ;D hehheeh. no better idea
[23:49] <mkarnicki> night kklimonda
[23:49] <rye> duffydack, they are now, they have 'people' emblem attached to them
[23:49] <duffydack> mkarnicki, yeah, but maybe I forgot the file I published 6 months ago out of 200, and I just wanna see, without finding it in the dashboard.
[23:49] <mkarnicki> duffydack: blue tick sounds nice ;)
[23:50] <mkarnicki> duffydack: yea, I'm aware of the 'problem' (missing feature) :)
[23:50] <mahen> I'm very sorry if it was asked before, but is it normal it takes several hours to "parse files metadata" before beginning the actual transfers ? (i.e., about 6 hours estimated for 20 GB of pictures)
[23:50] <rye> or is it my patched version
[23:50] <mkarnicki> rye: oh, nice
[23:50] <duffydack> rye, is this in lucid or maverick or both.  I never noticed it
[23:50] <duffydack> rye, damnit
[23:51] <rye> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/emblems/emblem-ubuntuone-public.png -> /usr/share/icons/gnome/24x24/emblems/emblem-web.png
[23:51] <rye> duffydack, should be in lucid
[23:51] <rye> mahen, the rate is about 1 second per one metadata entry
[23:51] <rye> ah
[23:51] <duffydack> I dont use emblems :(
[23:51] <rye> yes
[23:52] <mahen> rye : indeed
[23:52] <duffydack> something simple like, all I see are green ticks, so make it a blue one, as per dashboard
[23:52] <mahen> is that on purpose ?
[23:53] <rye> my indicator estimates when metadata queue will be processed
[23:53] <rye> another thing we are TOTALLY missing
[23:53] <rye> and btw
[23:53] <rye> facundobatista, could you please tell whether UploadFileProgress signals are emitted now?
[23:55] <rye> mahen, currently there is a rather long roundtrip between server and client. Having a request for every uploaded file becomes an overkill, I was told that performance issues will be resolved during next cycle (Natty)
[23:57] <mahen> rye : okay, that's good enough. I guess the focus is on reliability now then speed.