[10:35] <dark_light> i think this means you don't have the right kernel headers
[10:35] <dark_light> i am unsure, but check it
[10:36] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: No, that's because the kernel has moved on, and no longer includes that form of config.
[10:36] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: The ubuntu packages are patched to work correctly.
[10:37] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: well there's the problem, the ubuntu packages don't work, i get an api mismatch
[10:37] <RAOF> Remember: Every time someone installs the drivers from nvidia.com, a puppy dies.
[10:37] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: So, the solution is to undo what you did to mix up the ubuntu packages, not to kill a puppy :)
[10:38] <RAOF> So, what card do you have, what driver package do you have, etc?
[10:38] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: i have purged all the packages releated to nvidia, purged the restricted modules reinstalled them all went from a generic to 386 image and still no luck
[10:38] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: geforce2 go i used nvidia-glx-legacy
[10:39] <RAOF> Ok, good start.
[10:39] <RAOF> The /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file does *NOT* have "nv" in the DISABLED_MODULES line?
[10:40] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: nope
[10:40] <RAOF> Good.
[10:40] <GreySim> Hmm. Just running the command 'pulseaudio' fixed my sound for me. Anyone know where that's *supposed* to be started, that I must've somehow accidentally removed it from?
[10:40] <RAOF> Now, you've got the linux-generic package installed?
[10:41] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: i moved from the generic kernel to 386
[10:41] <RAOF> GreySim: You probably want to install the pulseaudio ESD compatibility package, and tell Gnome to use ESD.
[10:41] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: You should be running -generic, so lets go back.
[10:41] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: okay, back to generic
[10:42] <GreySim> RAOF: Thanks, I'll try that.
[10:42] <RAOF> GreySim: The package you're after is "pulseaudio-esound-compat", and then System->Preferences->Sound
[10:44] <GreySim> RAOF: And this'll work with LTSP and all? (Just making sure in case you missed what I said when I first came into the channel...)
[10:44] <RAOF> I'm not sure what LTSP stands for, so I'm not sure :)
[10:44] <RAOF> But I think that's some form of remote system setup, right?
[10:44] <GreySim> Yeah.
[10:45] <GreySim> Thin client. Linux Terminal Server Project.
[10:45] <RAOF> Well, I'm not sure how well it'll handle it out of the box, but I can easily transfer my banshee stream from my laptop to my home box, which is plugged into the stereo :)
[10:45] <RAOF> You may want to check out the awkwardly named "padevchooser" package
[10:46] <GreySim> Cool, thanks for the tips. First I'm gonna relog and make sure sound works at the start of a session without manual intervention though, before I go and screw it up again. :P
[10:47] <sonoftheclayr> okay, i'm back on generic
[10:47] <RAOF> Excellent.
[10:48] <RAOF> I don't suppose that the System->Administration->Restricted Manager has picked up your card, with a nice checkbox next to it to enable the restricted drivers?
[10:49] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: i'm running kubuntu :)
[10:49] <RAOF> Well, that's your problem, then :P
[10:49] <RAOF> Oh, well.  Time for a manual apt-get of nvidia-glx-legacy.
[10:51] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: done, it's installed
[10:51] <RAOF> Good.
[10:51] <RAOF> Now, sudo nvidia-xconfig
[10:51] <RAOF> I hope that that's still there in the legacy drivers?
[10:52] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: nope, command not found, looks like i have to install that too
[10:53] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: done
[10:53] <RAOF> Well, then "sudo nvidia-xconfig".
[10:54] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: one step ahead of you :p
[10:54] <RAOF> Excellent.
[10:54] <RAOF> Now, it's probably time for a reboot, although it's not strictly necessary
[10:54] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: okay, i'll just stop X then
[10:55] <sonoftheclayr> X stopped
[10:55] <RAOF> You'll also need to start the linux-restricted-modules thingy
[10:55] <sonoftheclayr> yes???
[10:55] <RAOF> sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common start
[10:56] <sonoftheclayr> waiting...waiting...done
[10:56] <RAOF> Now, starting X *should* work
[10:57] <RAOF> sonoftheclayr: Any joy?
[11:01] <sonofthe1layr> RAOF: no luck, the screen went blank and i couldn't do anything
[11:02] <RAOF> And it still doesn't work after a restart?
[11:02] <RAOF> That sucks.
[11:02] <RAOF> Can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[11:02] <sonoftheclayr> yeah, hang on
[11:06] <sonoftheclayr> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15014/
[11:08] <RAOF> Oh, that's using nv.
[11:08] <RAOF> That log doesn't have any problems :)
[11:08] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: that must be from when i booted up
[11:09] <VerTiGo> ok well can anyone help me with my DNS problem?
[11:09] <RAOF> Maybe /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[11:09] <VerTiGo> the Programs affected by it are Firefox and Gaim
[11:10] <RAOF> Check to see if it's using nvidia first.
[11:10] <RAOF> Although your server will obviosly segfault should you run glxinfo :)
[11:11] <VerTiGo> UMmmmm I am having troubles in Firefox and Gaim
[11:12] <VerTiGo> When i go to www.google.com or anything else i get connecting to www.google.com but it will just hang there and not do anything else
[11:12] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: have you disabled ipv6?
[11:13] <VerTiGo> ah let me just do that
[11:13] <sonoftheclayr> great RAOF is gone...now who can help me?
[11:14] <VerTiGo> ummm just how do i disable ipv6, sorry i'm a bit of a noob
[11:14] <sonoftheclayr> !ipv6
[11:14] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[11:14] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: ^^
[11:17] <zeroflag> every time X starts my screen goes black and I can't switch out of it or do anything.
[11:17] <zeroflag> any idea why?
[11:17] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: nvidia drivers?
[11:17] <zeroflag> yep
[11:17] <sonoftheclayr> i have the same problem, can you go to any of the consoles?
[11:17] <zeroflag> only with rescue boot.
[11:18] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: yep, me too
[11:18] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: the guy that was helping me just left
[11:18] <zeroflag> any idea why this is happening?
[11:18] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: no, sorry
[11:18] <zeroflag> did you upgrad your kernel module?
[11:19] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: no
[11:19] <sonoftheclayr> did it ever work for you?
[11:19] <zeroflag> hmmm, before that it complained about a version missmatch...
[11:20] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: yeah something about the nvidia module not matching the x module?
[11:21] <zeroflag> right.
[11:21] <zeroflag> how did you fix it?
[11:21] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: i just opened up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and changed nvidia to nv, no nvidia driver for me :'(
[11:21] <VerTiGo> I still got the same problem
[11:22] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: you reboot?
[11:22] <VerTiGo> yes
[11:22] <VerTiGo> I think its a DNS problem
[11:22] <VerTiGo> Because i can connect to a Site Via IP
[11:22] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: i had the same problem, but it was ipv6 and not dns
[11:23] <VerTiGo> hmmmm, well ipv6 done nothin but thanks for the suggestion, alot of people say that DNS was their problem
[11:24] <VerTiGo> But i was in a rush so i didnt quite figure out how to fix it
[11:24] <VerTiGo> I'll try it again
[11:24] <VerTiGo> oh i am on a Router
[11:24] <VerTiGo> a DLINK DSL-G604T
[11:24] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: DHCP?
[11:26] <zeroflag> darn, now I messed up my display configuration...
[11:26] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:26] <VerTiGo> yes DHCP
[11:27] <zeroflag> sonoftheclayr: thanks.
[11:27] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: np
[11:27] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: i'm not to sure
[11:28] <VerTiGo> ok
[11:29] <firenx__> is it worth updating to feisty yet or should i wait till final is out?
[11:29] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Router_DNS_Problems
[11:30] <VerTiGo> actually ty sonoftheclayr it did work
[11:30] <VerTiGo> forgot the last step
[11:30] <VerTiGo> TY
[11:30] <sonoftheclayr> VerTiGo: np
[11:30] <sonoftheclayr> firenx__: the final release is 8 days away, you can upgrade now or then but either way you won't have to wait long
[11:31] <firenx__> i guess it cant hurt to run it now.. any final updates will be updated in a week anyways eh
[11:31] <sonoftheclayr> firenx__: it's a lot faster then edgy
[11:32] <firenx__> sweet
[11:32] <firenx__> this old xp 1800 could use a boost in speed anyways heh
[11:32] <firenx__> what is the upgrade command again?
[11:32] <firenx__> sudo update-manager -d ?
[11:37] <sonoftheclayr> firenx__: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[11:41] <Toma-> how long till RC1?
[11:42] <sonoftheclayr> Toma-: couple of days, i think friday
[11:42] <Toma-> rad. :)
[11:45] <ikonia> how is the beta looking. I've been following the bug reports and seen a fair ammount of bugs closed
[11:46] <zeroflag> I have installed the latest nvidia kernel module via m-a. how do I get my kernel to use it?
[11:46] <zeroflag> X still complains about a version missmatch.
[11:46] <ikonia> why did you install the latest drivers rather than the packaged ones ?
[11:46] <zeroflag> because the packaged ones didn't work.
[11:47] <ikonia> didn't they?
[11:47] <ikonia> what was the problem
[11:47] <firenx__> what card?
[11:47] <zeroflag> package is 1.0-7184, current is 1.0-9755.
[11:47] <ikonia> so ?
[11:47] <zeroflag> 8800 GTS
[11:47] <VerTiGo> Ok i have another problem i still cant use Gaim nor get Updates
[11:47] <ikonia> what was the problem
[11:47] <ikonia> that should work with the 8800
[11:47] <firenx__> 9755 supports 8800
[11:48] <zeroflag> as soon as I installed the packages X refused to start.
[11:48] <firenx__> 7184 is for oooold nvidia cards
[11:48] <zeroflag> same error as now, version missmatch.
[11:48] <zeroflag> yes, but the kernel module STILL is 7184.
[11:48] <zeroflag> and I have to upgrade that.
[11:48] <firenx__> reinstall linux-restricted-modules for your kernel
[11:48] <zeroflag> I built the proper version with m-a but how do I get my kernel to use it?
[11:49] <sonoftheclayr> zeroflag: have you changed the nv in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to nvidia?
[11:50] <zeroflag> firenx__: already latest version.
[11:50] <VerTiGo> I can surf the web :D but i can use Gaim Instant messenger nor get Updates
[11:50] <zeroflag> sonoftheclayr: did that with the recofnigure you mentioned.
[11:50] <firenx__> zeroflag, i had to reinstall it then reinstall the nvidia driver to get x to work
[11:52] <zeroflag> firenx__: I just removed and installed it, still the same.
[11:52] <ikonia> I find it odd that fesity has not made a significant update to the nvidia package
[11:53] <firenx__> when upgrading should i nuke all my gnome config th
[11:53] <firenx__> -th
[12:10] <zeroflag> someone please tell me how to update the nvidia kernel module before I go nuts!
[12:14] <CarinArr> pretty hefty chunk of updates over night
[12:22] <sonoftheclayr> RAOF: i think Xorg.0.log.old is using the nv driver but i pastebinned it anyway:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15015/
[12:23] <magic_ninja> is there a way to change my current ip address
[12:23] <magic_ninja> its static cable connection
[12:26] <Lynoure> magic_ninja: yes, but if you are given one static ip and you use another one that is not assigned to you, there is no promises about it working, so it is adviced against
[12:27] <magic_ninja> Lynoure: ty, i thought so, pretty sure my isp assigns static addresses, but it uses dhcp, so it might work
[12:27] <magic_ninja> if i reset my modem
[12:28] <magic_ninja> ima try that
[12:29] <Lynoure> magic_ninja: why do you want to change it anyway? If e.g. because you are harrassed based on your ip, contact your ISP and they are bound to help you
[12:32] <magic_ninja> no
[12:32] <magic_ninja> because i got realmed down on d2
[12:32] <magic_ninja> and i'm not using any hacks, especially since none of them work on linux
[12:32] <magic_ninja> thought about trying wine as opposed to cedega
[12:33] <capiira> hi, anyone know if i still need to tweak kernel options if i use the most recent kernel config with linux-source-2.6.20 to build my own ? im asking because my kernel always become 230mb large
[12:34] <capiira> i compiled it using make-kpkg
[12:34] <Lynoure> magic_ninja: if you take someone elses ip, you ISP might have your hide.
[12:34] <magic_ninja> na
[12:34] <magic_ninja> i just resetted the cable modem
[12:34] <magic_ninja> it worked
[12:34] <magic_ninja> released all connections and renewed
[12:35] <Lynoure> so you had a dynamic ip after all...
[12:35] <magic_ninja> yea
[12:35] <magic_ninja> cox was static b4
[12:35] <magic_ninja> now they use dynamic i guess
[12:35] <magic_ninja> figured since they use dhcp they might do static
[12:42] <zeroflag> how can I find out whether my X is running on nvidia or nv?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> zeroflag: glxinfo | grep direct
[12:43] <gnomefreak> zeroflag: does it say yes
[12:43] <zeroflag> yep, it does. :>
[12:43] <zeroflag> thanks.
[12:43] <gnomefreak> zeroflag: than nvidia is being used
[12:43] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:43] <zeroflag> now I just need to find out how to start beryl. :]
[12:44] <CarinArr> beryl-manager
[12:45] <zeroflag> and now all my windows are gone...
[12:47] <holle> hey
[12:47] <CarinArr> zeroflag: have you enabled ARGBGLXVisuals
[12:48] <zeroflag> CarinArr: no idea.
[12:48] <steven___> hi, i've installed the fglrx drivers and my ubuntu (feisty) reports that i'm using restricted drivers but if i type fglrxinfo i get "XFree86-DRI" missing on display 0:0 and the renderer is "mesa"...
[12:48] <CarinArr> zeroflag: sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[12:48] <holle> i have problems using the newest kernel on my feisty system. i upgraded from edgy eft. if i am using the 2.6.17-generic kernel and initrd everthing is fine, if i use newer kernels the rootfs won't mount...... i am using a macbook/serial ata hdd
[12:52] <steven___> any help?
[12:52] <ajmorris_> can someone try and help me with my wireless please?
[12:54] <CarinArr> steven___: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf what does it say next to driver in your graphics device section?
[12:54] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: what's the problem
[12:56] <ajmorris_> in my windows box, when i plug it in it doesn't pick it up, and then when i remove it, it picks it up but of course can't install as it was removed. In my feisty, i put it in the power and link buttons turn on but after a second they turn off and the card doesn't work
[12:56] <steven___> Driver      "fglrx"
[12:57] <steven___> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15023/
[12:58] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: mmm.. what wireless card?
[12:58] <ajmorris_> brb
[12:59] <CarinArr> steven___: can't be of much help i'm afraid, don't use ati cards
[12:59] <sl-c3200> hi, i'm not very experienced with linux. yesterday i've installed ubuntu (feisty) and i tried to install truecrypt (tutorial: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338511&highlight=truecrypt+feisty) but i get this error: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/9115/
[12:59] <ajmorris_> sorry, it is WPC11 Linksys, also this started happening after using it in windows vista
[01:00] <sl-c3200> whats can i do?
[01:01] <stivani> hey, I get an error message while upgrading  powermanagement-interface
[01:01] <steven___> ok :) tnx for your time
[01:01] <CarinArr> sl-c3200: do you have the kernel headers package installed?
[01:01] <stivani> see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15024/
[01:01] <stivani> somebody an idea what's wrong?
[01:02] <ajmorris_> CarinArr, any ideas, is this fixable?
[01:02] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: god bless vista.. uhm..
[01:02] <sl-c3200> i dont know
[01:02] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: if you do iwconfig, does your card show up there
[01:03] <ajmorris_> nope
[01:03] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: is it usb or pci?
[01:03] <CarinArr> sl-c3200: check in your package manager
[01:03] <ajmorris_> pci, the power light is off so nothing picks it up :(
[01:03] <ajmorris_> is it broken
[01:03] <CarinArr> aaah
[01:03] <CarinArr> uhm
[01:03] <ajmorris_> because of vista?
[01:03] <sl-c3200> k thx
[01:03] <CarinArr> no idea.. if there is no power to it i can't see it being ubuntu specific
[01:04] <CarinArr> but are you 100% sure it is a power indicator and not something else
[01:04] <ajmorris_> yeah well it appears in windows ( i have tried vista, XP, and 2000) and then only tries to install when removed....
[01:04] <ajmorris_> yes it has power written next to it
[01:05] <ajmorris_> and link is under it
[01:05] <CarinArr> ajmorris_: it could be the light doesn't quite indicate what you'd expect.. has it worked in linux before?
[01:05] <ajmorris_> yes
[01:05] <Nuke13> well it is broken then =/
[01:06] <ajmorris_> it worked just when i re-installed (like 5 days ago) i rebooted with the card in then it didn't work
[01:06] <sl-c3200> it seems that they are on my machine ("Linux kernel headers for version 2.6.20 on x86/x86_64 - This package provides kernel header files for version 2.6.20 on x86/x86_64")
[01:06] <Nuke13> what card is it?
[01:06] <ajmorris_> Linksys WPC11
[01:06] <CarinArr> stivani: might be worth looking if it's a known bug?
[01:07] <ajmorris_> does ifstate update automatically?
[01:08] <stivani> CarinArr: I have checked if it is a know bug, maybe I should fill in a bug report then
[01:08] <CarinArr> sl-c3200: have you checked readme files etc whether there're dependencies you haven't installed?
[01:10] <sl-c3200> not yet. ill do that right now
[01:13] <sl-c3200> the readme of truecrypt only says that im supposed to run the build.sh
[01:14] <sl-c3200> is there any shortcut for starting the terminal?
[01:16] <sl-c3200> yey i got beryl running
[01:18] <magic_ninja> it seems as if on fiesty i run faster :-)
[01:19] <magic_ninja> after some major problems with my graphics card, i got it working
[01:20] <jonah1980> hi guys, got some major probs with graphics card at the moment, it's fine with nvidia website driver, but i want to use the new proprietary driver in ubuntu repositories, this doesnt seem to work and the new restricted manager claims my hardware doesnt need any restricted drivers...
[01:20] <jonah1980> so i'm stuck using the NV option in xorg.conf
[01:20] <jonah1980> but as i use twinview normally this isn't very good cos i'm back to one screen and not two
[01:20] <jonah1980> plus resolution is a bit of a mess
[01:21] <user_> what is the username and password for 7.04 livecd?
[01:22] <SlimeyPete> there isn't one
[01:22] <CarinArr> jonah1980: and the non-restricted drivers don't work?
[01:23] <CarinArr> user_: you shouldn't need username/password
[01:23] <CarinArr> itlogs you in automatically
[01:23] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah they do work the nv option is ok in xorg.conf, but the resolution doesnt look quite right and i can't use my two monitor setup, normally nvidia drivers let you use twinview
[01:24] <CarinArr> you shouldn't be using nv in xorg.conf if you want to use the nvidia driver
[01:24] <CarinArr> it should say nvidia
[01:24] <CarinArr> regardless of whether you're using repository drivers or the ones straight from the nvidia website
[01:26] <jonah1980> CarinArr, well if i put nvidia in xorg.conf, i get that wierd blue screen with a failed message and that thing about do you want to view output or whatever
[01:26] <jonah1980> CarinArr, so no, it's not working for me
[01:27] <CarinArr> yeah if you could !pastebin the Xorg.o.log that'd be good
[01:27] <CarinArr> er .0.log even
[01:27] <CarinArr> ;)
[01:29] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok cool i'll try find it
[01:29] <CarinArr> jonah1980: it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:31] <jonah1980> CarinArr, thanks
[01:31] <jonah1980> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15028/
[01:33] <CarinArr> jonah1980: looks like the driver doesn't support the gpu in your machine
[01:34] <jonah1980> CarinArr, what does this mean? will it get fixed or do i have unsupported hardware now?
[01:35] <CarinArr> jonah1980: what card do you have?
[01:36] <jonah1980> CarinArr, sorry not sure, but it's always been fine before feisty... is there a way i can check it?
[01:36] <CarinArr> lspci | grep -i nvidia
[01:39] <jonah1980> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15032/
[01:41] <CarinArr> seems to new a card to be legacy
[01:42] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah my computer is only a year old if that...
[01:42] <CarinArr> can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg/conf as well
[01:42] <CarinArr> er /etc/X11/xorg.conf even
[01:42] <dissonans_> hi gang
[01:42] <CarinArr> out of interest.. did you uninstall the driver from nvidia before you installed the packaged driver in the repository?
[01:43] <jonah1980> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15033/
[01:43] <dissonans_> it seems that kernel 2.6.20-14 kills my sound, anyone else have this problem?
[01:43] <Do``> 'lo
[01:43] <dissonans_> I'm using an Asus Lamborghini (vx2) laptop btw
[01:43] <CarinArr> dissonans_: my sound doesn't work fullstop unless i disable acpi;)
[01:43] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah i downloaded the nvidia driver again and used the uninstall script, option to remove it first
[01:44] <CarinArr> oh yeah, you were asking about that the other day weren't you
[01:44] <CarinArr> i'd try asking on the forums, and possibly filing a bug report
[01:44] <Do``> is there a guide somewhere that could help me create a keyboard shortcut to the gnome system monitor? i'd like to start on ctrl+alt+del
[01:44] <CarinArr> or at least check the bugs list and see if anyone else has the same problem
[01:44] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah - now i'm real worried that i might have to move to another distro, i've been stuck this way for a week and hasn't been any updates that's fixed it etc
[01:45] <CarinArr> jonah1980: meanwhile, why are you not using the drivers from nvidia?
[01:45] <CarinArr> jonah1980: if they don't know about the problem, there's unlikely to be fixes..
[01:46] <jonah1980> CarinArr, i figured it's best to just wait it out abit because i thought there would be a fix soon. also everytime they make a kernel change or update it seems that i have to reinstall the nvidia driver again before i was doing it quite often so i thought repo one would be better
[01:47] <jonah1980> CarinArr, could you please help me get the correct info to the right bug report or whatever so they're aware of what's wrong?
[01:48] <CarinArr> jonah1980: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:48] <CarinArr> jonah1980: i had to reinstall the nvidia driver the first few kernel updates on feisty beta, but haven't the lst few times
[01:48] <CarinArr> using the one from nvidia's website
[01:49] <jonah1980> CarinArr, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15034/
[01:49] <jonah1980> CarinArr, should i try putting xorg.conf to nvidia again and try restarting gdm?
[01:50] <CarinArr> jonah1980: try nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:50] <jonah1980> CarinArr, could part of the problem be that i'm amd64?
[01:51] <CarinArr> jonah1980: are you using 64 bit ubuntu or 32?
[01:51] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah 64
[01:51] <CarinArr> i wouldn't think that'd be the problem
[01:51] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok did the enable thing, should i try restart the gdm?
[01:52] <CarinArr> yep
[01:52] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok see you soon
[01:52] <dissonans_> I just want my sound back :|
[01:53] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok i restarted gdm but looks the same, i don't think it's using the nvidia option in xorg even though i did the enable thing you told me to try
[01:54] <dissonans_> how do I find out which version of the nvidia module is installed for a particular kernel?
[01:54] <CarinArr> jonah1980: okay, double check that you have Load "glx" and Driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf
[01:54] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah checked xorg and it still says nv, should i try it manually again
[01:54] <CarinArr> please
[01:54] <CarinArr> :)
[01:55] <bofh80> whoot - nvidia drivers 9631 available, nice work with glx-new , nice simple names now, great work
[01:55] <CarinArr> dissonans_: nvidia-settings should tell you
[01:57] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yeah it didnt work again and had to use nano to switch back to nv
[01:57] <dissonans_> I was thinking for some installed kernel, I want to go back to the previous kernel but there is a mismatch between the kernel module and the X module
[01:57] <CarinArr> jonah1980: have you tried the new drivers?
[01:57] <ConstyXIV> noone has a working democracyplayer in feisty by chance?
[01:57] <CarinArr> jonah1980: nvidia-glx-new
[01:57] <jonah1980> CarinArr, no i didn't know there where any! how do i do this?
[01:58] <CarinArr> jonah1980: install nvidia-glx, install nvidia-glx-new i would assume
[01:58] <jonah1980> CarinArr, i can do this in synaptic right?
[01:58] <CarinArr> yeah
[01:59] <CarinArr> jonah1980: you might want to "purge" rather than just uninstall nvidia-glx
[01:59] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok how do i purge this?
[02:00] <CarinArr> jonah1980: i think it's "completely remove" or something in synaptic
[02:01] <jonah1980> CarinArr, do i need the dev package or kernel source?
[02:02] <dissonans_> jonah1980: you shouldn't
[02:02] <dissonans_> that's in case you want to compile something against it
[02:02] <jonah1980> ok cool
[02:03] <jonah1980> well it's installing now, do i need to do anything or do i just change xorg to nvidia again?
[02:03] <jonah1980> xorg.conf i mean
[02:03] <CarinArr> i don't think it removes nvidia, but you can double check it
[02:04] <squire> decisions decisions.. beryl or compiz, xgl or aiglx?
[02:09] <squire> any recommendations?
[02:09] <CarinArr> squire: isn't aiglx more likely to work for old cards where xgl won't work properly
[02:09] <CarinArr> at least that's norally why i hear people use it
[02:09] <squire> no eye deer
[02:10] <squire> i think someone mentioned aiglx was preferable but not why
[02:10] <CarinArr> regarding the beryl vx compiz i haven't a clue.. i hear different stuff about it all the time, and the only thing i've sort of seen established is if you want to fiddle about with settings and stuff go with beryl
[02:11] <CarinArr> i use beryl and xgl and it works very nicely for me
[02:11] <squire> but compiz is [sort of]  officially sancioned
[02:11] <squire> sanctioned
[02:12] <squire> i think i'll try beryl nonetheless
[02:12] <CarinArr> well regarding to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX, it's accelerated indirect rendering.. so i would assume if you can get xgl to work you should go xgl
[02:12] <squire> i do like fiddling [fnarrr]
[02:12] <CarinArr> ;)
[02:12] <CarinArr> what i meant was rather that you have more options
[02:12] <CarinArr> not that you HAVE to fiddle
[02:13] <CarinArr> jonah1980: is it working at all?
[02:14] <CarinArr> hm;)
[02:14] <squire> i think i'll try beryl+xgl then
[02:15] <squire> what gfx card u have?
[02:15] <dissonans_> any idea whether the sound borkage is being worked on?
[02:15] <dissonans_> in the current kernel revision that is
[02:16] <Do``> is there a guide somewhere that could help me create a keyboard shortcut to the gnome system monitor? i'd like to start on ctrl+alt+del
[02:16] <squire> woooh: 88 updates today
[02:17] <CarinArr> squire: geforce 7600 go
[02:18] <CarinArr> and yeah, plenty of updates;) think i had 115
[02:18] <squire> do'': http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42404
[02:19] <squire> carinarr: 7600 seems to be v popular
[02:20] <squire> is the auto-update 24hrs from last update - whether manual or auto?
[02:21] <Do``> squire:  thanks
[02:21] <squire> yw :)
[02:22] <borg_> uhm
[02:22] <CarinArr> squire: seems like it, as my update notifier has changed time from when i first installed it
[02:22] <borg_> my gnome-terminal doesnt start any more
[02:22] <borg_> cdolaf@pc:~$ gnome-terminal
[02:22] <borg_> The program 'gnome-terminal' received an X Window System error.
[02:22] <borg_> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[02:22] <borg_> The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'.
[02:22] <firenx__> use aterm :)
[02:22] <borg_> onyone an idea?!
[02:22] <borg_> :D
[02:22] <borg_> i do
[02:22] <borg_> atm
[02:22] <borg_> ;)
[02:22] <firenx__> heh
[02:23] <firenx__> t-5 mins till feisty
[02:24] <CarinArr> borg_: have you tried moving the .gconf/apps/gnome-terminal folder temporarily and see if it works
[02:24] <firenx__> what does it do if you run it from aterm?
[02:24] <chijin> i saw yesterday that adept wants to downgrade the nvidia driver.. what's the reason behind this?
[02:24] <squire> carinarr: i think it's nearer ur total in 24 hrs then cos i did a manual update last night
[02:24] <borg_> CarinArr: yes
[02:25] <borg_> CarinArr: same response
[02:25] <CarinArr> chijin: do'nt know.. but they seem to have changed the structure of the nvidia drivers a bit.. there's nvidia-glx-new now as well as the normal glx and legacy
[02:26] <borg_> perhaps it is a problem with xinerama
[02:26] <hidan> hey guys, ever had this problem before? X crashes and then the next time you try to login into Ubuntu, you are stuck at the login screen. Keyboard don't work.
[02:26] <borg_> i think i didnt have the problem before i used xinerama
[02:26] <borg_> mmh
[02:27] <jonah1980> CarinArr, hi i'm back on the other monitor with more problems
[02:27] <limetang> I've installed XGL and Beryl and my two screens have merged into one big one (I use bigdesktop). How can i revert to the normal bigdesktop behaviour (is there a setting I've forgotten to change)?
[02:27] <jonah1980> CarinArr, the nvidia-glx-new driver works
[02:28] <CarinArr> ;)
[02:28] <jonah1980> CarinArr, only for some reason i'm on the other monitor, it won't let me install nvidia-settings and also i've got no close boxes or title bars to move windows
[02:28] <jonah1980> CarinArr, yep big big buts
[02:28] <jonah1980> CarinArr, I don't like big buts and i cannot lie
[02:29] <borg_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17/+bug/58232
[02:29] <squire> is JLo available on feisty? :)
[02:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 58232 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "gnome-terminal does not start when using xinerama and nvidia" [High,Confirmed]
[02:29] <borg_> i am not alone :)
[02:30] <CarinArr> jonah1980: ouch..
[02:30] <hidan> big buts lol
[02:31] <CarinArr> jonah1980: when you say won't let you install nvidia-settings.. doesn't nvidia-settings come withthe package?
[02:31] <jonah1980> CarinArr, well it's in synaptic but it says it can't install cos it's trying overwrite something already there or something. and when i try to run it from menu it just says it's not found...
[02:32] <gnomefreak> squire: is jlo the name of the package?
[02:32] <jonah1980> CarinArr, plus now i can't pastebin you stuff or anything cos my windows are in way i cna't move them
[02:32] <gnomefreak> jonah1980: alt+tab?
[02:33] <jonah1980> gnomefreak, alt tab doesnt work for me anymore
[02:33] <gnomefreak> thats not good
[02:34] <CarinArr> jonah1980: try sudo dpkg -C in terminal
[02:34] <jonah1980> CarinArr, it says trying to overwrite /usr/bin/nvidia-settings, which is also in package nvidia-glx-new ....     dpkg subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe)
[02:34] <CarinArr> what package does it say is trying to overwrite it?
[02:34] <squire> gnomefreak: she makes a great package ..heh
[02:35] <jonah1980> nvidia-settings_1.0+20060516-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[02:36] <gnomefreak> jonah1980: can you give the /var/cache path with that package as it is in error?
[02:37] <jonah1980> var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-settings_1.0+20060516-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[02:37] <prakash007> wtf/ when they gonna release fiesty
[02:38] <gnomefreak> jonah1980: ok not a good idea but you can sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-settings_1.0+20060516-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb   but keep in mind this is not good practice and is dangerous
[02:38] <CarinArr> uhm prakash007 look at topic
[02:38] <gnomefreak> prakash007: in a week or so
[02:38] <prakash007> thanks
[02:39] <gnomefreak> prakash007: said release date is the 19th but please dont expect it on the 19th
[02:39] <prakash007> wtf?
[02:39] <jonah1980> gnomefreak, it says no such file or directory when i put that
[02:39] <gnomefreak> a day or 2 on either side
[02:39] <gnomefreak> jonah1980: remove nvidia-settings
[02:39] <prakash007> o i c
[02:39] <prakash007> np
[02:39] <gnomefreak> or package name
[02:40] <gnomefreak> prakash007: due to everyone being in a different time zone and some a day or so on either end. oh and its alot of work to release it
[02:40] <Mena> !kfontinst
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kfontinst - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:41] <Mena> What is this (!kfontinst) ?
[02:41] <prakash007> well i suppose fiesty gonna be bringing revolution
[02:41] <billy> !find kfontinst feisty
[02:41] <zeroflag> how hard is it to set up xen in feisty?
[02:41] <gnomefreak> any release not just feistys
[02:41] <ubotu> File kfontinst found in kcontrol, kde4base, kdebase-dbg
[02:42] <squire> feisty is certainly a revelation to me
[02:42] <gnomefreak> zeroflag: never tried but i hear its not too hard
[02:42] <squire> i'm totally sold on it
[02:42] <zeroflag> gnomefreak, any tutorial/howto?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> !xen
[02:42] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[02:42] <zeroflag> afaik I need to recompile the kernel - again. >_<
[02:42] <gnomefreak> i dont think you do
[02:42] <gnomefreak> there is a xen kernel
[02:43] <zeroflag> that'd be good.
[02:43] <zeroflag> but first, I need to write a proper IRC client.
[02:43] <gnomefreak> write hell use irssi ;)
[02:43] <zeroflag> pah. :P
[02:43] <zeroflag> I still don't get it why everyone uses irssi.
[02:43] <chijin> irssi rules
[02:44] <zeroflag> last I tried it was just too annoying to do everything with the keyboard and it just didn't look like a proper high level tool...
[02:44] <chijin> it's too annoying to use a mouse :-P
[02:44] <zeroflag> if I want low level, I connect the socket directly. >_<
[02:45] <zeroflag> and this lostIRC is too primitive as well...
[02:45] <zeroflag> I could probably do better within a few hours.
[02:45] <gnomefreak> i used to like lostirc until i found out how to use irssi :)
[02:45] <zeroflag> UARGHS.
[02:45] <zeroflag> monodevelop.
[02:46] <zeroflag> *shudder*
[02:46] <zeroflag> there's VB.
[02:46] <zeroflag> I think something's wrong here.
[02:46] <ed___> using kubuntu, when right clicking on a systray app icon in Kicker I get the screen switching to black and back several times and the menu item selection behaviour becomes very very slow, the kicker panel is set to auto-hide after 2 seconds and when the panel is not set to auto-hide it all works fine - any ideas?
[02:46] <zeroflag> when I switch to monodevelop it takes about half a second before it shows.
[02:46] <CarinArr> ;)
[02:47] <CarinArr> but yeah.. you have to know how to use it or it seems crap
[02:49] <zeroflag> I just don't like the idea of having a opengl and graphics card accelerated desktop manager with 1680x1050 pixel resolution and 20000 different theme packages... just to use a shell. >_<
[02:49] <zeroflag> like "hey, I bought a ferrari!" "cool, for race days?" "no, for my granma"
[02:50] <CarinArr> i have better things to squeeze my hardware with than irc
[02:50] <zeroflag> right, wine.
[02:50] <zeroflag> why is there no wine package?
[02:50] <CarinArr> there is..
[02:51] <lupine_85> but not in amd64 ;)
[02:51] <zeroflag> great. >_<
[02:51] <zeroflag> can I use x86 wine on x64 linux?
[02:51] <lupine_85> get a 32 bit chroot going and use it inside that
[02:51] <zeroflag> CHROOT?!?
[02:51] <zeroflag> ffs!
[02:52] <lupine_85> lol
[02:52] <zeroflag> I am using one of the most powerful operating systems on this planet! I WILL NOT CHROOT JUST TO GET 32BIT!
[02:52] <CarinArr> to be fair.. "wine ffs"
[02:52] <zeroflag> -.-
[02:52] <lupine_85> suit yourself
[02:52] <zeroflag> this is annoying.
[02:52] <CarinArr> if you're using one of the most powerful operating systems on the planet, why are you bothering with wine
[02:52] <zeroflag> even windows xp64 works better than that.
[02:52] <void^> windows applications are 32bit.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: wine doesnt work in 64 bit.  you're welcome to try and fix it
[02:53] <ed___> void: most apps are 32bit
[02:53] <CarinArr> he might fix it after he's written his rule them all irc client where you don't have to use the keyboard
[02:53] <zeroflag> Hobbsee, last time I found something about the issues it was because gcc uses different calling conventions in 32 and 64 bit... right! I will fix the OS!
[02:54] <lupine_85> hahahaha, oh wow
[02:54] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: good.  go fix it then.
[02:54] <zeroflag> I should just get singularity and use that as my main OS...
[02:54] <Hobbsee> go ahead.
[02:54] <lupine_85> don't forget to redefine the C spec so that all applications use the same size for pointers regardless of whether they're 32 or 64 bits...
[02:54] <lupine_85> *sigh*
[02:55] <Hobbsee> woo, another female :)
[02:55] <ShackJack> Mmmm... popcorn......
[02:55] <zeroflag> pro: it's built by the microsoft research department (the only people in that company that don't think with their wallet), con: it's proof-of-concept-alpha and not supported and not even open source. -.-
[02:55] <CarinArr> heh
[02:56] <jonah1980> CarinArr, back again, this time tried the nvidia website driver which is working but i don't have any titlebars on my windows, can anyone please help me get them back...
[02:56] <CarinArr> jonah1980: are you using beryl by any chance?
[02:56] <zeroflag> jonah1980, using beryl?
[02:56] <jonah1980> CarinArr, well i wasn't ! hehe i shouldnt be
[02:57] <squire> CarinArr: lol
[02:57] <CarinArr> can't think how else that'd be graphics driver related
[02:57] <zeroflag> if so, start beryl-manager and enable gnome/kde as your window manager.
[02:58] <CarinArr> jonah1980: you might want to try adding the xargb thing back to your xorg.conf
[02:58] <CarinArr> if it's gone
[02:58] <CarinArr> and check your default depth is 24
[02:58] <jonah1980> ah this is a nightmare
[02:59] <zeroflag> hmmm, monodevelop channel is on irc.gnome?
[02:59] <jonah1980> ok so i'm not running beryl, it says not installed if i try run beryl manager
[02:59] <CarinArr> jonah1980: that's fine, can you check what default depth your monitor is set to in xorg.conf?
[03:00] <jonah1980> CarinArr, 24 default colour depth
[03:00] <jonah1980> CarinArr, ok where do i put that other thing you said?
[03:01] <CarinArr>     Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[03:01] <CarinArr> under screen
[03:03] <jonah1980> CarinArr, no it didn't work either
[03:03] <CarinArr> check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if you have any lines starting with WW or EE
[03:03] <jonah1980> CarinArr, if i back up my home dir maybe i could reinstall clean, but would my emails etc all be in evolution if i did this and put home dir back in after?
[03:04] <CarinArr> jonah1980: no idea about evolution, i have all my emailson a remote server
[03:04] <CarinArr> if you DO reinstall, you might want to add a separate partition for /home .. it's very handy whenever you need to reinstall
[03:04] <CarinArr> ;)
[03:05] <SlimeyPete> Evolution keeps its mail in ~/.evolution/mail
[03:05] <SlimeyPete> so as long as you make sure to back up all the hidden folders as well as regular ones you should be OK
[03:06] <Do``> various softwares, like opera or mplayer show that clicking the middle click button on my mouse and clicking the back button is the same thing and right click and forward click looks to have the same effect too, where could be the problem?
[03:07] <Do``> its a logitech mx510 5button mouse
[03:07] <jonah1980> SlimeyPete, so does this mean i can't just back up home? i'll lose everything?
[03:07] <CarinArr> i'd guess the problem is in the 5 buttoned mouse not being configured correctly
[03:07] <TheSilentW> hello everyone, how do i install mp3, wma, and such codecs so i can play my music ?
[03:07] <SlimeyPete> jonah1980: ~ *is* home, so what I'm saying is that as long as you back up *everything* (including hidden folders, which start with a .), you'll probably be OK
[03:08] <jonah1980> SlimeyPete, ok cool thanks
[03:08] <Do``> CarinArr: yes, that sounds about right, where could i tweak the settings?
[03:08] <SlimeyPete> no guarantees, though - I've never tried it
[03:08] <TheSilentW> also, can anyone point me to a good music player, i used to use winamp, so, a similar one would rock
[03:08] <Do``> TheSilentW: try xmms
[03:08] <CarinArr> Do``: will be in your xorg.conf i'm sure
[03:08] <Do``> its the first result in google for 'xmms'
[03:08] <TheSilentW> ok, thx, will it install codecs ?
[03:09] <CarinArr> Do``: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28374 that's talkinga bout firefox but it might be helpful nonetheless
[03:09] <Do``> TheSilentW: the site has every detail you need, but iirc most codecs are in it already
[03:09] <billy> Lots of upgrades this morning.
[03:09] <TheSilentW> ok, thx for the help
[03:09] <Do``> CarinArr: i'm kinda new to ubuntu so i wouldnt dare digging into config files ~ i'll check that link of yours, thank you
[03:10] <CarinArr> Do``: you'll probably have to dig in your config files not matter what you do.. as long as you back them up you should be okay
[03:10] <Do``> i was wondering if there is a workaround, like an official driver for this mouse ;p
[03:11] <shirish> CarinArr: Are not both keyboard & mouse settings set in xorg.conf?
[03:11] <Do``> which installed would fix the xorg whatever
[03:12] <CarinArr> shirish: yeah i think so..
[03:12] <CarinArr> which is why that firefox link should work regardless of what browser he's using;)
[03:13] <shirish> CarinArr: should not that have its own independent place, rather than being in xorg.conf which is for the display settings?
[03:13] <shirish> CarinArr: I am sure this question would have been asked long time back
[03:13] <CarinArr> uhm
[03:13] <CarinArr> xorg.conf isn't just for display settings
[03:14] <CarinArr> it's where touchpad/mouse/wacom etc settings go as well
[03:14] <Do``> now just 1 more tihng
[03:14] <shirish> CarinArr: hmm.... that seems like a bad place to keep them
[03:14] <Do``> if i edit that file
[03:14] <CarinArr> why..
[03:14] <CarinArr> it's to do with your x server setup
[03:14] <Do``> will an update tomorrow morning screw it up again?
[03:15] <CarinArr> Do``: the updates don't normally touch the xorg.conf file as far as i'm aware
[03:15] <CarinArr> if config files are goign to be changed you normally get a warning
[03:15] <shirish> CarinArr: for it is a very important file, and mucking that up, can render ones display too well, personal experience
[03:15] <Do``> so if this like my custom splash screen that gets reset every time a kernel change arrives..
[03:15] <shirish> CarinArr: that is sure
[03:16] <CarinArr> shirish: i'm not saying he should edit any display settings, i'm talking about mouse settings
[03:16] <shirish> CarinArr: any tips as to what I should set my keyboard too, it is supposedly set as us international but it does not respond to punctuation marks like "" . etc. It is a ps/2 keyboard
[03:16] <CarinArr> and i told him to back it up
[03:16] <CarinArr> ;)
[03:17] <shirish> CarinArr: that was understood, I am always apprehensive of changing even a slight change in xorg.conf
[03:17] <CarinArr> as long as you don't change the wrong things there's nothing "magical" about xorg.conf
[03:18] <CarinArr> it's just a configuration file, but it helps if you make sure you back it up
[03:18] <TheSilentW> how is it possible to hide an app from the bottom bar and show it only as small icon near clock ?
[03:18] <k_osh> CarinArr: as opposed to sendmail.cf which is quite a lot about black magic... ;-)
[03:18] <shirish> CarinArr: ok can u help me where or what should I change about xorg.conf so that it shows my keyboard correctly, and there is nothing wrong in the keyboard as it performs excellently in xp
[03:19] <k_osh> shirish: look for keyword XkbLayout in xorg.conf
[03:19] <CarinArr> i don't really know what keyboard you have so i can't really say
[03:20] <shirish> CarinArr: oh that one is easy, just a moment please
[03:23] <shirish> CarinArr: k_osh: its this one http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/IN/EN,CRID=2485,CONTENTID=9534
[03:24] <shirish> k_osh: CarinArr: I see the XkbLayout in xorg.conf
[03:25] <shirish> k_osh: CarinArr: although alternatively I have also pasted the xorg.conf at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15046/ as to where am I going wrong?
[03:25] <CarinArr> what is the keyboard layut you're using though? us?
[03:25] <shirish> CarinArr: do not know should it be us or us-international, do not know the difference
[03:26] <shirish> CarinArr: although there have put up us-international as u can see on the 2 seperate lines
[03:28] <shirish> CarinArr: any ideas?
[03:28] <CarinArr> on phone
[03:28] <shirish> CarinArr: oops, sorry take ur time
[03:29] <Lunar_Lamp> !upgrade
[03:29] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:30] <CarinArr> shirish: you can try commenting out the line that says XKbVariant
[03:31] <delight> as of version 1.0.9746-1 nvidia left a bunch of cards out and labeled 1.0.9631 another legacy driver wouldn't it be nice to support that one too ... esp as the 9xxx series support "aiglx" ... maybe there should be a renaming from legacy to -7184 and have a second "legacy" called nvidia-graphics-drivers-9631
[03:31] <shirish> CarinArr: ok cool, would try that thanx :)
[03:31] <delight> I had this little bad experiencen when i was updating from herd to herd .. to i think it happened in feisty beta
[03:31] <CarinArr> delight: not sure if they're done ith restructuring the nvidia drivers yet
[03:32] <CarinArr> there's the -new now
[03:32] <delight> well id does not seem they will longer support all that cards in the new driver
[03:32] <delight> i think it was about Geforce2mx up to geforce3 or 4?
[03:32] <delight> I can check again
[03:33] <CarinArr> i'm assuming they'll do something about the way it's at th emoment cause it doesn't seem to make sense there's the nvidia-glx which says "for newer cards" and the glx-new as well
[03:33] <shirish> CarinArr: who is looking about the nvidia drivers upstream?
[03:33] <CarinArr> no idea
[03:33] <Lunar_Lamp> I'm using wireless via ndiswrapper, have an ati mobility x700, and beryl/xgl installed.  Is upgrading to feisty likely to break things?
[03:34] <CarinArr> Lunar_Lamp: well.. upgrading can always break things
[03:34] <CarinArr> don't know about likeliness.. i did a clean install of my system
[03:34] <Lunar_Lamp> CarinArr, of course, I was just wondering on liklihood - e.g. all ati cards tend to break on upgrade due to changes in xorg or something :-)
[03:34] <shirish> CarinArr: seems its coming from the debian guys, its there on the Planet Debian http://swik.net/Debian/Planet+Debian/Randall+Donald:+What+to+call+9631%3F/12fu
[03:35] <CarinArr> Lunar_Lamp: yeah i gathered.. not sure about that, not using ati or ndiswarpper myself so can't comment;)
[03:39] <delight> CarinArr: so i just wanted to make a little note that the new drivers i breaking that possible nice 3d experience for a lot of users in feisty .. so maybe some support for that 2nd legacy would be good
[03:40] <CarinArr> delight: yeah i agree
[03:40] <CarinArr> might still do that yet tho
[03:41] <bobdufour> Hi can someone give me a tip: should I install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new ?? Thanks!
[03:42] <shirish> Lunar_Lamp: as far as breaking cards are concerned look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/90213 be aware that this one is for i845 chipset
[03:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,In progress]
[03:43] <assasukasse> hi everyone, i have a problem, when trying to send a bug the page that opens has this at the beginning http://home/foo%20 then the correct address..it doesn't work unless i manually delete the first part..how can i fix it
[03:44] <shirish> Lunar_Lamp: wrong one, the right one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105390
[03:44] <ubotu> Malone bug 105390 in metacity "window manager crashes/does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[03:44] <Lunar_Lamp> thanks shirish - will read
[03:46] <assasukasse> file:///home/foo/%22https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/<cut> this is what i usually see
[03:46] <TheSilentW> ubuntu is hurting my eyes, i think its cause of refresh rate or resolution, need to change it to 1280x1028 75, how i change it?
[03:49] <delight> TheSilentW:  try fixing your refresh rates in your xorg.conf ... look what the right ones are for your screen
[03:49] <TheSilentW> how?
[03:49] <TheSilentW> new to linux :(
[03:49] <delight> TheSilentW: but this is a general xorg.conf question ... simple google
[03:49] <someothernick> gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:49] <someothernick> backup first
[03:50] <CarinArr> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf probably, so you can actually edit it
[03:50] <someothernick> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /ect/X11/xorg.conf
[03:50] <someothernick> opps
[03:50] <someothernick> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /ect/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[03:50] <shirish> CarinArr: can u look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105390 and see if I need to re-categorize it somewhere else or have done that right
[03:50] <CarinArr> TheSilentW: you might want to check i fyou can set the resolution in the graphical tool first though
[03:50] <Lunar_Lamp> someothernick, you made a typo there - the second one should be /etc/... not /ect/...
[03:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 105390 in metacity "window manager crashes/does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[03:51] <DarkMageZ> TheSilentW, system > preferences > screen resolution
[03:51] <TheSilentW> cant
[03:51] <TheSilentW> its at max
[03:52] <shirish> TheSilentW: what graphics chipset do u have?
[03:52] <TheSilentW> nvidia
[03:52] <TheSilentW> geforce 7800 GT
[03:56] <ShackJack> Hi - all.. my tomboy and deskbar applet in the panel each are taking up 32MB each - YOUCH! does that seem like a lot to anyone else :)
[03:59] <mastertsunami> no not really :/
[03:59] <mastertsunami> maybe have deskbar use trackerd instead of beagle :|
[04:02] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - actually I tried using that trackd in the deskbar and it crashes it on startup (I don't use beagle)
[04:02] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - there's a bug filed for it, I think...
[04:02] <ShackJack> That tracker works awesome though - I'd think that would take more resources that friggin "Tomboy" :)
[04:03] <mastertsunami> well aren't they both written in mono, so they use a VM like java?
[04:03] <hidan> holy moly... update manager's downloading soo slowly
[04:03] <finalbeta> is there a fix / workaround for the stall at setting up network interfaces?
[04:03] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - you mean tomboy and deskbar?
[04:03] <mastertsunami> yeah ShackJack
[04:03] <hidan> ah well.
[04:04] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - Hmmm. I'm not sure about that.... would have to check on that... I know beagle is... but I don't think those two are as I'm pretty sure I don't have mono libs installed :)
[04:05] <mastertsunami> im pretty sure tomboy is as well
[04:05] <ShackJack> mastertsunami - in that case - YANK! ;)
[04:06] <mastertsunami> i don't know much about anything though so the fact it was written in C# might not have anything to do with its performance :|
[04:06] <finalbeta> Lols, Feisty is going to be a blast, my right speaker keeps making white noise, I have to remove my CD drive to boot, it stalls for > 1 minute at setting up the network interfaces. The early herts where more stable for me. Only wireless improved. Feisty is now worse then warty for me.
[04:09] <crimsun> so use warty.
[04:09] <crimsun> no one's forcing you to upgrade, and you can always recompile security errata yourself ;)
[04:09] <finalbeta> Nah, just added back the xp line in grub.
[04:10] <CarinArr> i don't get why people do that
[04:11] <finalbeta> Pretty weird, when my cpu goes 100% my right speaker gives off white noise.
[04:11] <xtknight> hmm
[04:11] <xtknight> interference or audio buffer im guessing
[04:11] <CarinArr> whenever they're upset something doesn't work they always decide to throw windows into the conversation
[04:12] <crimsun> xtknight: more probably broken audio codec and acpi interaction.
[04:12] <shirish> !trackerd
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trackerd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <shirish> !info trackerd
[04:12] <ubotu> Package trackerd does not exist in feisty
[04:12] <CarinArr> feisty IS still beta.. even if it's due for release shortly
[04:12] <hidan> !info locale
[04:12] <ubotu> Package locale does not exist in feisty
[04:12] <crimsun> CarinArr: it won't suddenly become !beta in one week ;)
[04:12] <hidan> btw, does anyone know how to find out what your locale in Ubuntu is? I filed a bug report and the Developer wanted to know what my "locale version" is.
[04:12] <shirish> ShackJack: what is the trackerd thing u were saying to mastertsunami before, it is a beagle replacement?
[04:13] <mastertsunami> yes
[04:13] <CarinArr> well no crimsun but there's no point making a big deal of it before it does
[04:13] <shirish> ShackJack: mastertsunami:  IIRC beagle is a search & indexing software, right
[04:13] <crimsun> hidan: `echo $LANG` is a start
[04:13] <mastertsunami> correct
[04:13] <mastertsunami> here read this: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/tracker-list/2007-January/pdfLkb0uuBAEw.pdf
[04:13] <mastertsunami> (warning pdf) :|
[04:14] <hidan> crimsun: thank you for your help. :)
[04:15] <bobdufour> Hi can someone give me the difference between nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new ?? Thanks!
[04:15] <xtknight> it's nvidia 96xx vs 97xx
[04:15] <xtknight> i think
[04:15] <xtknight> driver versions.  96xx is for geforce4 and 97xx is for anything above
[04:15] <hidan> xtknight: Yoohoo!
[04:16] <bobdufour> oh thx!
[04:16] <xtknight> hidan, you never miss me do you :P
[04:16] <hidan> xtknight: mmm no? :P
[04:16] <peter77> flash seems to crash firefox a lot, is it only me experiencing this or is it a common problem?
[04:17] <peter77> well by flash it tends to be on youtube
[04:17] <hidan> xtknight: My psu died. and finally, we got it replaced with a SevenTeam psu. Here's to a long future, SevenTeam psu. Don't give me problems like Antec did. :p
[04:17] <xtknight> hidan, been there done that.  antec psu dead.  used a fortron fsp group one instead
[04:18] <xtknight> was a t-storm though so i also got a surge proxcetor
[04:18] <xtknight> protector*
[04:18] <hidan> xtknight: ouch... surge protector. Luckily, the electricity in Singapore is pretty steady and clean.
[04:18] <shirish> hidan: Antec is supposed to be a good one, what happened?
[04:18] <xtknight> US prolly sucks half the globe's power
[04:18] <hidan> shirish: Well, some of the Antec PSUs suffer from an issue of bad caps.
[04:19] <shirish> hidan: and is SevenTeam more expensive than Antec?
[04:19] <xtknight> yeah
[04:19] <hidan> Shirish: SevenTeam is around the same price, actually... they actually manufacture PSUs for industrial purposes so....
[04:20] <shirish> hidan: can u give me a link for SevenTeam site or something, just to check out what they do & what kind of PSU's they have
[04:20] <hidan> Shirish: so that means they're pretty reliable, EXCEPT for in the USA. Where the SevenTeam USA branch tends to "rebrand" their PSUs and falsely sell them at higher ratings and stuff like that.
[04:20] <hidan> Shirish: hang on.
[04:20] <xtknight> hidan, yeah that's like fortron.  dont get a fortron PSU unless it's made by the "FSP group" (good caps0
[04:20] <hidan> shirish: http://www.seventeam.com.tw/
[04:21] <hidan> xtknight: yeah it's kinda scary how greed can cause people lotsa problems.
[04:21] <shirish> thanx
[04:22] <johnnybuoy> can anyone unmount USB hdds in gnome?
[04:23] <hidan> shirish: Yeah... well, I hope so!!! :P
[04:24] <hidan> shirish: actually, after the pc repair shop took out the antec psu, i could smell something funny from the psu. O_o;;
[04:25] <shirish> hidan: have been using my pc from last 3.5  yrs, just the m/b got changed once in that time
[04:25] <hidan> shirish: and when i was trying to get my pc to start(before i changed my psu), i got an electrical shock. Small one but hurt really bad.
[04:25] <shirish> hidan: I had heard so great things about Antec PSU, here in india we have pretty bad power supply, spikes are a daily occurence
[04:26] <hidan> shirish: meh, try these 2 sites if you're looking for psu reviews.
[04:26] <SlimeyPete> how does one go about setting touchpad sensitivity in kubuntu?
[04:26] <hidan> shirish: http://www.jonnyguru.com/
[04:26] <SlimeyPete> (if such a thing can be done - I'm not very au-fait with laptops)
[04:26] <hidan> shirish: http://www.silentpcreview.com/
[04:26] <shirish> hidan: thnx
[04:27] <hidan> shirish: yes they actually test the PSUs very thoroughly
[04:28] <hidan> shirish: and that's a good thing if you live in a house with ageing wires or some state/country with poor power issues.
[04:28] <shirish> hidan: affordability is also a big issue, but still its good to know if the opportunity presents itself
[04:29] <hidan> shirish: oh don't worry... they probably have PSUs under different tiers. As in budget to "REALLY high quality" stuff
[04:29] <hidan> and to "DO not buy, NOT even if it's free"
[04:29] <shirish> hidan: true, hence will check them out
[04:30] <hidan> shirish: yeah, ... some of the cheap PSUs are like bad quality blood... As in: Say no to donated blood with AIDS/HIV...
[04:31] <shirish> hidan: lol, will check them out, although have been lucky with the ones I had bought, bought them pretty cheap but still going strong after 3.5 yrs, its my UPS actually which is not upto the task
[04:32] <hidan> shirish: huh, i never even bought a UPS before... more like really expensive and can't afford it at the moment. :P
[04:32] <shirish> hidan: planning to build an AMD system at a l8ter date, that time the PSU will come in handy
[04:32] <hidan> shirish: yes, AMD rocks!!!
[04:32] <mastertsunami> well those update totally borked my network manager :/
[04:32] <hidan> shirish: I've had Intel systems before... good gods, the heat is horrendous.
[04:32] <xtknight> intel core 2 duo here
[04:33] <CarinArr> same here xtknight
[04:33] <hidan> xtknight: heheheh ;P
[04:33] <xtknight> it has the most efficient thermal specs as of now
[04:33] <shirish> hidan: here its the opposite, brands like Antec sell for about 3k in indian rupees, while the best UPS goes in for around 2, 2.5k
[04:33] <xtknight> prescott was disaster, intel did a 180
[04:33] <hidan> shirish: wow... that is mighty expensive.
[04:33] <shirish> mastertsunami: I have put a bug on it perhaps you can take a look at that or the original of that
[04:34] <CarinArr> how is the network manager borked?
[04:34] <shirish> hidan: in Indian Rupees, 1 US $ dollar = 48 Rs.
[04:34] <xtknight> it doesnt like static ips
[04:34] <xtknight> been lots of bugs about it
[04:34] <CarinArr> oh
[04:34] <hidan> shirish: wait... that's about 100++ SGD bucks! Holy moly... that's VERY cheap, actually. O_o;;
[04:34] <CarinArr> that sounds like what i reported ages ago in edgy
[04:34] <CarinArr> just crashed when i tried to start it
[04:34] <hidan> shirish: i paid a few hundred bucks for my AMD chip.
[04:35] <mastertsunami> ahh thats what it is then xtknight
[04:35] <shirish> hidan: lucky you, I got an intel 1.8 ages ago
[04:35] <mastertsunami> cuz i have a static
[04:35] <shirish> mastertsunami: same here static, although have a dynamic ip
[04:35] <hidan> wait static ips? uh oh... i use static ips.
[04:36] <peter77> what would a recommended alternative be to Firefox
[04:36] <CarinArr> i used to, changed router and using dhcp now tho
[04:36] <xtknight> peter77,  epiphany
[04:36] <xtknight> if you dont like the mozilla engine, then Opera
[04:36] <CarinArr> or rather, got a new wireless card for the desktop with the new router that actually works, so now i can use dhcp from desktop as well;)
[04:36] <xtknight> what dont you like about FF?
[04:36] <shirish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/105373
[04:36] <hidan> xtknight: oh btw, do the new updates fix the issues with Opera and Epiphany not starting, after installing updates?
[04:36] <peter77> Firefox seems to have become somewhat buggy and crashes occasionally when on youtube
[04:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 105373 in network-manager "Regression: network-manager does not show network " [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:37] <xtknight> hidan, not sure.  epiphany just worked for me the other day
[04:37] <shirish> peter77: that might because of the flashplayer involved therein
[04:37] <shirish> peter77: I am sure you have installed the proprietary flash player, right
[04:37] <peter77> yeah
[04:38] <xtknight> well gnash is the one that's unstable for me
[04:38] <iqon> wow, there are a lot of updates today
[04:38] <xtknight> flash 9 has been rock solid
[04:39] <peter77> I'm going to see if I can get opera to crash
[04:39] <xtknight> never had that happen to me
[04:39] <shirish> xtknight: I am looking forward for when the new version of swf-player comes along
[04:39] <xtknight> FF has crashed a lot
[04:39] <xtknight> shirish, open source one?
[04:39] <_dennis_> peter77: i have the same problem with firefox, especialy on youtube...opera is much more stable from my point of view
[04:39] <shirish> xtknight:right, no flash for me till then
[04:40] <xtknight> ahh
[04:40] <hidan> xtknight: okay thank you anyways.
[04:40] <xtknight> shirish, you dont like adobe flash9
[04:40] <xtknight> ?
[04:40] <xtknight> hidan, does yours crash ?
[04:40] <shirish> xtknight: for ff crashes a lot with flash9
[04:40] <xtknight> ah interesting
[04:40] <xtknight> my FF crashed with gnash (out of memory) and caused kernel freezeups
[04:40] <shirish> xtknight: i filed a bug or 2 & both times it came as the libplayer.so was at fault
[04:40] <peter77> _dennis_, I've just installed opera, I'm impressed
[04:40] <shirish> xtknight: if you want can give u details
[04:41] <hidan> xtknight : Epiphany crashes. Opera refuses even to start. I know there're likely solutions for the Opera issue, though.
[04:41] <Tomg> xtknight: hows gnash doing these days for compatibility?
[04:41] <xtknight> hidan, what is the output in the terminal?
[04:41] <xtknight> hidan, debug/file bugs/etc ;)
[04:41] <hidan> xtknight: huh? output in Terminal? how do i do that?
[04:41] <xtknight> hidan, type "epiphany" in the terminal
[04:41] <shirish> I had written to the swf-player & most probably will see the newere
[04:41] <_dennis_> peter77: although, by dist-upgrading i'm unable to use opera...it's a bug, and they working on it, so right now i use FF again, till it's fixed
[04:42] <xtknight> Tomg, afaik it wont work with anything above flash 6 or flash 7
[04:42] <shirish> newer version of swf-player by week or month-end at the latest in the repo
[04:42] <xtknight> ah
[04:42] <hidan> xtknight: WHAT?! Epiphany started!!! How come?
[04:42] <Tomg> xtknight: oh right kk
[04:42] <xtknight> hidan, dunno try opera.  "opera"
[04:42] <peter77> _dennis_, you using fiesty?
[04:42] <shirish> xtknight: nobody tried swiftfox , lol :P
[04:43] <hidan> xtknight: opera, no joy... let me try pastebin
[04:43] <hidan> !pastebin
[04:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:43] <_dennis_> peter77: yep
[04:43] <peter77> opera is running perfectly
[04:43] <xtknight> swiftfox hmm.  i like FF with fasterfox
[04:43] <peter77> and I'm using fiesty too
[04:43] <johnnybuoy> where did you get it from?
[04:43] <peter77> so far opera is a lot more stable
[04:43] <johnnybuoy> did you  get a .deb?
[04:43] <fulat2k> anyone's opera crashing?
[04:44] <shirish> anybody had have issues with playing .wmv files in feisty, after installing the codecs?
[04:44] <peter77> I got it from the Opera website
[04:44] <peter77> .deb edgy
[04:44] <johnnybuoy> no .deb ...
[04:44] <johnnybuoy> ah,
[04:44] <fulat2k> shirish: what kinda issues?
[04:44] <xtknight> apt-get install opera
[04:44] <xtknight> enable commercial repo for i386
[04:45] <johnnybuoy> what commercial repo?
[04:45] <xtknight> the one i'm assuming they're going to have for feisty
[04:45] <xtknight> as they do with Edgy
[04:45] <johnnybuoy> heh
[04:45] <johnnybuoy> yeah, after release
[04:45] <hidan> xtknight: sorry hang on... the pastebin links i've been trying so far aren't working.
[04:46] <peter77> still trying to get opera to crash
[04:46] <shirish> fulat2k: it simply refuses to play, I am not at the ubuntu desktop now, will tell more when i get there
[04:46] <hidan> xtknight: http://pastebin.ca/434652
[04:47] <xtknight> hidan, interesting.
[04:47] <xtknight> hidan, which package did you download, i'll try it
[04:48] <hidan> xtknight: damnit, I don't recall... it was supposedly the 9.00++ version for Edgy. However, v10 Opera is now out... I'll give it a try.
[04:48] <johnnybuoy> v10 opera is out?!
[04:48] <johnnybuoy> wow, where is it?!
[04:48] <johnnybuoy> :P
[04:49] <xtknight> ooh
[04:49] <xtknight> wonder if they have gnome support yet
[04:49] <xtknight> so it doesnt look like crud
[04:50] <xtknight> http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/
[04:50] <xtknight> 10 was announced but the latest is 9.2 it seems
[04:51] <hidan> xtknight: oops my mistake :O
[04:51] <xtknight> hidan, http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?distro=ubuntu&id=28908%2C28906&location=214&sub=++++&x=105&y=21
[04:51] <xtknight> hidan, grab that see if it works
[04:51] <xtknight> all nice and dandy here
[04:52] <xtknight> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
[04:52] <xtknight> but no SIGSEGV ;pp
[04:52] <xtknight> my guess is it was that particular package you were using
[04:52] <hidan> xtknight: yeah true
[04:52] <xtknight> opera looks nicer
[04:52] <xtknight> nowadays
[04:52] <xtknight> maybe it's feisty's qt4
[04:53] <hidan> xtknight: qt4? Quicktime4?
[04:53] <johnnybuoy> heh
[04:53] <johnnybuoy> QT4
[04:53] <xtknight> Qt4 the kde library
[04:53] <xtknight> trolltech
[04:53] <johnnybuoy> QT != quick time
[04:54] <xtknight> it runs on everything frmo mobile phones to PCs
[04:54] <xtknight> thus opera uses it instead of Glib
[04:54] <johnnybuoy> so does gtk
[04:54] <jin> hi
[04:54] <johnnybuoy> AND gtk is written in C
[04:54] <danohuiginn> anyone know if Feisty+1 (october's release) is due to be long-term support?
[04:54] <johnnybuoy> but I don't see opera 10 anywhere
[04:54] <jin> I'm trying to install nvidia-glx for my current kernel version which is 2.6.20-8-generic but synaptic keeps asking to install the latest kernel from the repo which is 2.6.20-14-generic
[04:55] <xtknight> dont believe gtk is as portable as Qt
[04:55] <jin> but 2.6.20-14-generic is screwed up and it does not work!
[04:55] <xtknight> screwed up
[04:55] <xtknight> ?
[04:55] <johnnybuoy> why is it screwed up?
[04:55] <jin> yea, I couldn't boot my system with it
[04:55] <johnnybuoy> xtknight, no?
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> jin, did it complain about the root?
[04:56] <xtknight> johnnybuoy, that's what i've been told as to why opra uses Qt
[04:56] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: it should be on opera.com i have .20 iirc
[04:56] <jin> johnnybuoy, I think it has problems mounting my other drives
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> gnomefreak, ah, but that's 9.10, right?
[04:56] <gnomefreak> 9.20 i have 9.10 is on opera.com
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> jin, yes, because there was a change, now every drive is sda, even ide driver
[04:56] <johnnybuoy> drives
[04:56] <jin> johnnybuoy, but I just want nvidia-glx for my current kernel
[04:56] <nobodyLV> teex...
[04:57] <nobodyLV> 50% 5gadus veci faili ir nobekapoti
[04:57] <jin> johnnybuoy, it couldn't mount my ata drive
[04:57] <jin> it could mount my sata tho
[04:57] <stevethepirate> hello.
[04:57] <nobodyLV> upz wrong channel ;)
[04:57] <johnnybuoy> yes, ATA is sda also now
[04:57] <penta> hola
[04:57] <johnnybuoy> jin,
[04:57] <hidan> xtknight , shirish: anyways i'm going for a shower now... take care, folks. :D
[04:57] <jin> johnnybuoy, so I should change my fstab file?
[04:57] <johnnybuoy> gnomefreak, yes, I thought opera 10 was out :$
[04:57] <xtknight> hidan, k
[04:57] <gnomefreak> nope
[04:58] <johnnybuoy> jin, yes, then install the new kernel
[04:58] <penta> can anyone help me install feisty on a lvm partition?
[04:58] <jin> johnnybuoy, okay, gonna give that a try then
[04:58] <johnnybuoy> jin, IF you have /dev/hd* in it
[04:58] <shirish> hidan: ok take care, sorry some things came up
[04:58] <gnomefreak> 9.20 is current devel version last i checked
[04:58] <johnnybuoy> oki...
[04:58] <hidan> shirish: oh it's okay... ^___^ /me grins
[04:58] <jin> yea, I have that in my current fstab file
[04:58] <johnnybuoy> the bittorrent integration is a good idea, but it's a bit too broken yet
[04:59] <johnnybuoy> jin, yep, that's your problem then
[04:59] <johnnybuoy> change hd* to sd* and it should be fine
[05:00] <stevethepirate> can some1 direct me to a feisty upgrade guide?
[05:01] <rsk> !upgrade
[05:01] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:02] <RedRose> I've noticed that in grub their is a new command used(uuid), but it only seems to slow my boot time. Can anyone explain what it does?
[05:02] <penta> does anyone (besides me) use lvm as root partition?
[05:02] <peter77> lvm?
[05:02] <johnnybuoy> logical volume management
[05:03] <peter77> I use EXT3
[05:03] <penta> logical volume management, you can increase and decrease partition sizes as you like
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> on-the-fly
[05:03] <lupine_85> lvm++
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> :)
[05:03] <peter77> yeah, going to say you can do that with GParted
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> no, you can't
[05:03] <johnnybuoy> eg. you can't resize your root partition while running
[05:04] <peter77> not while running
[05:04] <peter77> booting from the GParted CD you can
[05:04] <johnnybuoy> i know
[05:04] <penta> i don't get how to activate lvm in the feisty installer (already did it with dapper and edgy)
[05:05] <shirish> RedRose: that is to do with the libata thing
[05:05] <shirish> !libata
[05:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:05] <shirish> !info libata
[05:05] <ubotu> Package libata does not exist in feisty
[05:05] <shirish> @libata
[05:05] <xtknight> kernel module
[05:06] <shirish> stupid bot
[05:06] <johnnybuoy> heh
[05:06] <johnnybuoy> teach it ;)
[05:06] <RedRose> shirish, What is libata?
[05:06] <johnnybuoy> it means that now even ide drives use /dev/sd* names
[05:06] <johnnybuoy> instead of /dev/hd*
[05:07] <shirish> RedRose: its a new library/kernel module introduced in Edgy, you can find more on the wiki.ubuntu.com just search for libata
[05:07] <johnnybuoy> uuid is good because it doesn't matter what driver you use
[05:07] <johnnybuoy> (I don't use uuid :D )
[05:07] <Toma-> !dvd
[05:07] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:07] <Toma-> heh. weird ol gaim
[05:07] <shirish> johnnybuoy: does the UUID change each time somebody re-installs the OS afresh?
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> I think yes, but I really don't know
[05:08] <thesilentw> hello, i changed my screen resolution and screenlets and beryl stop working, what may have been the cause and how do i fix it?
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> I think it changes even when the size of the partition changes
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> but I'm not sure
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> !uuid
[05:08] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:08] <shirish> johnnybuoy: i would be trying tht tomorrow or sometime l8ter
[05:08] <johnnybuoy> ?
[05:08] <shirish> has anybody got the announcement of the RC release somewhere?
[05:09] <johnnybuoy> RC?
[05:09] <johnnybuoy> there is an RC?
[05:09] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: yes you can.
[05:09] <johnnybuoy> what can I?
[05:09] <shirish> atleast on the time schedule there is supposed to be an RC today or something like that
[05:09] <thesilentw> hello, i changed my screen resolution and screenlets and beryl stop working, what may have been the cause and how do i fix it?
[05:09] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: resize ext3 partitions online
[05:10] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, no you can not
[05:10] <jin> johnnybuoy, I can't find the right device in /dev
[05:10] <johnnybuoy> jin, just use uuid
[05:10] <jin>  /dev/sda is sata hd where ubuntu is installed on
[05:10] <johnnybuoy> !uuid |jin
[05:10] <ubotu> jin: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:10] <shirish> actually cdimage.ubuntu.com should have hem
[05:11] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: i've been doing that on the machine i'm using rite now
[05:11] <johnnybuoy> jin, so you get dropped to a prompt?
[05:11] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: assuming online == mounted and being used
[05:11] <fulat2k> :)
[05:11] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, yes? how you do that? what tool you use?
[05:11] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: ext2online
[05:11] <shirish> ok guys going to dinner, be back in a bit.
[05:12] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, wow, didn't know about that...
[05:12] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: do that after you've extended your LV.
[05:12] <johnnybuoy> thx
[05:12] <johnnybuoy> LV?
[05:12] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: no probs
[05:12] <fulat2k> logical volume
[05:12] <jin>  /dev/sdb1: UUID="3de2054a-1c23-4b99-837b-48b3ace5f02b" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
[05:12] <johnnybuoy> this is no lvm install though
[05:12] <jin> but if I mount /dev/sdb1 I get 3 weird files
[05:12] <jin> I don't see my files :\
[05:13] <johnnybuoy> jin, so in fstab you can put uuids
[05:13] <johnnybuoy> instead of /dev/hd* you put uuid=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[05:13] <johnnybuoy> iiirc
[05:13] <johnnybuoy> sec, checking
[05:14] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, I knew you could do that in lvm
[05:14] <johnnybuoy> jin, UUID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[05:14] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: oh damn.  ooops :)
[05:14] <thesilentw> hello, i changed my screen resolution and screenlets and beryl stop working, what may have been the cause and how do i fix it?
[05:15] <fulat2k> johnnybuoy: must have missed some lines a few pages up :P
[05:15] <johnnybuoy> jin, also, in grub, as the kernel boot param instead of root=/dev/* you put root=uuid=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[05:15] <johnnybuoy> fulat2k, think so...
[05:15] <johnnybuoy> no prob
[05:18] <jin> johnnybuoy, 3de2054a-1c23-4b99-837b-48b3ace5f02b is not listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[05:18] <hidan> back :)
[05:18] <johnnybuoy> jin, strange...
[05:18] <jin> but it is in ls /dev/disk/by-id/
[05:18] <jin> can I use ID= in fstab file?
[05:20] <jin> brb
[05:23] <TheSilentW> hello everyone, i need help, resized my resolution and got this, no transparency, top icons desorganized, black spots, http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotgm7.png
[05:23] <hidan> omg i can't believe that after ripping people off, Microsoft's going to release a Vista replacement in 2 to 3 years. ><;;
[05:23] <TheSilentW> replacement?
[05:23] <TheSilentW> WTF
[05:23] <hidan> http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/02/11/microsoft-vista-is-a-compromise-a-replacement-is-coming-in-2009/
[05:23] <TheSilentW> link?
[05:24] <jin> mount: special device /dev/disk/by-uuid/3de2054a-1c23-4b99-837b-48b3ace5f02b does not exist
[05:24] <jin> but it is listed when I run blkid
[05:26] <johnnybuoy> jin, but when you boot, do you get a prompt?
[05:26] <jin> johnnybuoy, yea, a few minutes ago but I commented out the line for the ata hd before I reboot
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> okay, when you are in that prompt, you can check which drive is which by mounting them one-by-one
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> sda, sdb, sdc, etc ;)
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> I have no better way
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> or maybe ask someone else
[05:28] <jin> I know my storage partition should be sdb1
[05:28] <jin> sda is where my OS's are installed
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> well, I guess the sata disk will be sda
[05:28] <jin> yes,
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> then the primary ide will be sdb
[05:28] <jin> and the ata is sdb1 it seems
[05:28] <johnnybuoy> yes
[05:29] <jin> but if I mount it with mount /dev/sdb1 /space I can only see 3 weird files
[05:29] <jin> with weird characters as filename
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> well, it then looks like your ide is broken with libata
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> which is very strange
[05:30] <jin> it worked with kernel 2.6.20-8
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> do you get any ide related errors in /var/log/syslog?
[05:30] <Toma-> !hi
[05:30] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[05:33] <hidan> gods, here's to hoping the new updates won't break too many things.
[05:37] <locolbd> hello
[05:37] <locolbd> can someone help me please
[05:37] <locolbd> i installed fiesty fawn
[05:37] <locolbd> but my sound is really low
[05:38] <rsk> use alsamixer to raise it
[05:39] <TheSilentW> how do i make ubuntu auto login?
[05:39] <locolbd> i did thatr
[05:39] <locolbd> but the master volume cannot be adjusted
[05:39] <locolbd> only rcm and mic
[05:39] <locolbd> sorry PCM and MIC
[05:40] <acuster> anyone else noticing a total slowdown of eclipse apps under the current feisty?
[05:41] <TheSilentW> how do i make ubuntu auto login?
[05:41] <ror> Does feisty have an IRC client in the default bootCD?
[05:41] <ror> and will the next version?
[05:42] <ror> (apart from the one in gaim which is terrible)
[05:42] <TheSilentW> then do..plz
[05:44] <johnnybuoy> TheSilentW, in the login window config, system > prefs > login window
[05:44] <johnnybuoy> sry
[05:44] <johnnybuoy>  system > admin. > login window
[05:45] <TheSilentW> thx
[05:45] <locolbd> my sound plays really low and i am unable to adjust the master volume can someone help
[05:45] <locolbd> do i need to install extra software
[05:45] <dystopianray> locolbd: why can't you adjust the master volume?
[05:45] <locolbd> i dont know
[05:45] <shatrat> locolbd, doubtful. tried alsamixer?
[05:45] <locolbd> i did the alsamixer
[05:45] <locolbd> in the terminal
[05:46] <locolbd> i am able to adjust PCM and MIC but not master volume
[05:46] <johnnybuoy> locolbd, are you in the audio group?
[05:46] <locolbd> i dont understand cause the sound worked perfect with 6.06
[05:46] <johnnybuoy> did you try sudo alsamixer?
[05:46] <dystopianray> locolbd: could you adjust master volume in 6.06?
[05:46] <locolbd> i didnt have no
[05:46] <locolbd> i didnt have to
[05:47] <dystopianray> locolbd: what sound card is it?
[05:47] <locolbd> the sound on my tast bar gave me all the options
[05:47] <locolbd> so i adjusted the sound from there
[05:47] <jin> johnnybuoy, when ubuntu starts fsck was checking /dev/sdb1 but died at 95% and returned error 1
[05:48] <locolbd> how can i find wha sound card i have
[05:48] <johnnybuoy> jin, wow
[05:48] <locolbd> bare with me an new to linunx
[05:48] <locolbd> linux
[05:48] <jin> looks like my hd is dying
[05:48] <jin> ?
[05:48] <johnnybuoy> jin, that's scary, but does it still work?
[05:48] <johnnybuoy> I mean, can you read the files in there?
[05:48] <jin> johnnybuoy, I could browse through the files in win xp
[05:48] <jin> johnnybuoy, but not in ubuntu
[05:49] <johnnybuoy> well, you should unmount the partition and fsck it
[05:49] <johnnybuoy> and say what the error is
[05:49] <jin> it is not even mounted
[05:49] <johnnybuoy> so fsck it
[05:49] <frojnd> today is officially relase date of ubuntu feisty, am I right? how  can I update to official release from beta - just with update and upgrade and dist-upgrade ?
[05:49] <dystopianray> locolbd: alsamixer should tell you at the top
[05:49] <jin> if I fsck it now, it says clean
[05:49] <locolbd> ok
[05:49] <dystopianray> frojnd: feisty gets released next week
[05:50] <frojnd> nooooooo
[05:50] <frojnd> it's on 11. 4 ..
[05:50] <jin> but if I mount the partition, I only see 3 weird files
[05:50] <dystopianray> frojnd: it gets released on the 19th
[05:50] <frojnd> oooo I was living in a lie!
[05:50] <locolbd> card: HDA Intel ..............chip: Realtek ALC861
[05:51] <dystopianray> frojnd: the release schedule says there will be a release candidate on the 12th, tomorrow
[05:51] <shirish> ok guys how do I add a user to the system?
[05:51] <frojnd> shirish: adduser nickaname
[05:51] <dystopianray> shirish: useradd
[05:52] <dystopianray> locolbd: are there any other controls you can adjust in alsamixer?
[05:52] <johnnybuoy> jin, is this with the new kernel?
[05:52] <jin> johnnybuoy, yep
[05:52] <dystopianray> locolbd: is it a laptop or a desktop?
[05:52] <jin> but I could mount it using the old kernel :\
[05:52] <jin> weird
[05:52] <johnnybuoy> jin, and with the old one you see all the files fine?
[05:52] <jin> yep
[05:52] <johnnybuoy> yeah, really weird
[05:53] <locolbd> dystopianray: labtop
[05:53] <johnnybuoy> jin, oh! fsck doesn't check the fs, right
[05:53] <jin> this is crazy
[05:53] <johnnybuoy> it just says it's clean and that's all
[05:53] <locolbd> dystopianray: yes there are other controls some can be adjusted iothers cannot
[05:53] <jin> cfdisk is telling me /dev/sdb1 is a NTFS filesystem
[05:53] <dystopianray> locolbd: have you looked in the forums or for bugs which have the same problem?
[05:53] <locolbd> dystopianray: but that does no good
[05:53] <jin> partition*
[05:53] <mikeyhatesms> just curious if theres anyone in south florida that would help me with a feisty install when it's released, that could show me how to partition and to migrate my files
[05:53] <jin> but but is not
[05:54] <dystopianray> jin: the filesystem doesn't have to match the partition type
[05:54] <johnnybuoy> jin, wow, that seems fscked up ;)
[05:54] <locolbd> yeah
[05:54] <dystopianray> jin: what does blkid say the partition is?
[05:54] <locolbd> dystopianray: yes
[05:54] <johnnybuoy> yeah, but it don't hurt if it does
[05:54] <jin> blkid says ext2
[05:54] <dystopianray> mikeyhatesms: you can get help from anyone in here
[05:54] <johnnybuoy> jin, oh! fsck doesn't check the fs, right, it just says it's clean and that's all
[05:55] <dystopianray> jin: ok so it's an ext2 filesystem but the partition has the wrong type
[05:55] <jin> I think so.
[05:55] <jin> probably modifeid by the stupid windows ext2/3 driver
[05:55] <jin> modified*
[05:55] <johnnybuoy> jin, ?
[05:55] <mikeyhatesms> dysto, but i don't think i can do online help cuz won't i be offline precisely when i need the help for the install?
[05:56] <jin> so I need to make it an linux partition?
[05:57] <MasteR`> ruh roh, ship for fiesty just hit digg frontpage
[05:57] <mikeyhatesms> well, anyways, am waiting for the release day, and then hope i can manage it
[05:57] <mikeyhatesms> cya guys
[05:58] <hidan> btw anyone got this while updating ? W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qt-x11-free/qt3-dev-tools_3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[05:58] <hidan>   MD5Sum mismatch
[05:58] <lupine_85> jin: fdisk can change the partition id (the 't' command)
[05:58] <jin> I got it working :)
[05:59] <jin> sudo mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb1 /myspace/ did it
[05:59] <jin> can I change the partition type without losing my files/?
[05:59] <lupine_85> yes
[06:00] <MasteR`> i installed feisty with reiserfs on my laptop last night, think thats safe?
[06:00] <lupine_85> but it's only really good for the autodetection, so no real need to bother
[06:00] <dystopianray> MasteR`: why reiserfs?
[06:01] <MasteR`> for grins, really
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> MasteR`: ricer fsck sucks
[06:01] <MasteR`> i hear it got some good performance compaired to ext3, so i decided to test it out
[06:01] <MasteR`> i see
[06:01] <MasteR`> hmm
[06:01] <h3sp4wn> even the tools you pay for are not very good
[06:02] <h3sp4wn> xfs or jfs there are reasons for both
[06:02] <h3sp4wn> reiser3 except for webcaches I don't think is useful
[06:03] <MasteR`> well i suppose i can redo with ext3. nothing major since it's a recent install
[06:03] <johnnybuoy> ricer fs @ lol
[06:03] <mastertsunami> i use xfs :/
[06:04] <johnnybuoy> xfs?
[06:04] <mastertsunami> yah
[06:04] <johnnybuoy> caches a lod, don't it
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> mastertsunami: nothing wrong with xfs
[06:04] <johnnybuoy> lot
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> mastertsunami: unless you get a power cut
[06:04] <mastertsunami> i haven't noticed it caching
[06:04] <mastertsunami> though i haven't tried to tune it at all :/
[06:04] <h3sp4wn> mastertsunami: make clean on a source dir with loads of files is really slow also
[06:05] <mastertsunami> yes deletes are normally slow
[06:05] <h3sp4wn> I use jfs for that reason and some stuff on xfs (big files)
[06:06] <johnnybuoy> yes?
[06:06] <johnnybuoy> jfs?
[06:06] <johnnybuoy> dunno, I had jfs drop on me once...
[06:06] <johnnybuoy> but I think jfs and xfs is fine, reiser is ricer fs truly :)
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> johnnybuoy: recovery tools are reasonably decent though
[06:07] <johnnybuoy> for jfs?
[06:08] <h3sp4wn> yep
[06:08] <johnnybuoy> jfsutils, or what?
[06:08] <joshua_> hmm, ok, so the past few days I have been hacking on drivers for my Sony VAIO
[06:08] <joshua_> I figured out how to wake up the wwan; I wonder where I should be submitting patches
[06:09] <mastertsunami> ohh which vaio
[06:09] <h3sp4wn> johnnybuoy: It works - unlike the reiser ones
[06:09] <rsk> joshua_ ubuntu laptop team maybe
[06:09] <rsk> or just tje kernel team
[06:10] <johnficc1> Hi when I run glxinfo | grep direct, I get Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0".
[06:10] <johnficc1> direct rendering: No
[06:10] <johnficc1> any help?
[06:10] <jin> how to fsck to skip /dev/sdb1 on startup?
[06:10] <jin> fsck died again with error 1
[06:10] <johnnybuoy> jin, just fsck -f the disk before you reboot
[06:11] <joshua_> mastertsunami, VAIO SZ
[06:11] <joshua_> mastertsunami, in particular, I determined which register to poke to wake up the GSM modem, and I've made a preliminary stab at the "stamina/speed" switch
[06:11] <h3sp4wn> jin: sudo touch /fastboot
[06:11] <jin> what does that do?
[06:12] <h3sp4wn> jin: what you asked for
[06:12] <h3sp4wn> jin: see man shutdown
[06:13] <jin> h3sp4wn, I was hoping that will speedup my system startup
[06:13] <jin> ;)
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> jin: it would but you would need to do it everytime
[06:13] <h3sp4wn> or shutdown using -f
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> is anyone else having problems with sound
[06:15] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: sort of
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> the feisty beta liveCD comes up with no sound, also latest feisty has no sound
[06:15] <CarinArr> i have to disable acpi to make it work at all
[06:15] <joshua_> bluefoxicy, sound card?
[06:15] <bluefoxicy> if I turn on my onboard sound, gstreamer-properties can emit a test tone out of that; but no other app can emit sound out
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> joshua_:  sound blaster audigy; I had a realtek onboard sound chip enabled for a while but I disabled it.
[06:16] <joshua_> I am running feisty as of two days ago or so, and am about to bring my machine fully up to date. I am happily playing music from mpg123
[06:16] <joshua_> how did you disable it?
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> also I tried removing linux-restricted-modules to see if that helps (atheros has broken shit before)
[06:16] <bluefoxicy> joshua_:  turned it off in the bios
[06:17] <joshua_> does it appear still in lspci?
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> no
[06:17] <joshua_> okay
[06:17] <joshua_> dunno, but those answers might be useful to someone.
[06:17] <CarinArr> heh
[06:17] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  acpi is acpi=off right?
[06:18] <jin> /dev/sdb1: 9834/20021248 files (5.5% non-contiguous), 26611719/40019915 blocks
[06:18] <jin> I got that
[06:18] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: yeah, i've seen people use noacpi too
[06:18] <CarinArr> but this is a known problem with this model laptop
[06:18] <joshua_> hm, nvidia-glx from 1.0.9755+<IP_ADDRESS>... to 1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>...
[06:18] <jarle> Still non-working nvidia-glx drivers I see :(
[06:18] <joshua_> why the downgrade?
[06:18] <CarinArr> not sure, but could be because of nvidia-glx-new?
[06:18] <lupine_85> 9631 has GeFORCE 4 support
[06:19] <Beta> Hey, guys, any way to use shockwave content?
[06:19] <lupine_85> !info nvidia-glx-new
[06:19] <joshua_> nvidia-glx-new - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver
[06:19] <ubotu> Package nvidia-glx-new does not exist in feisty
[06:19] <joshua_> I see
[06:19] <rsk> nope Beta
[06:19] <joshua_> ubotu, you lie
[06:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you lie - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:19] <lupine_85> Beta: install flashplayer-nonfree (i386 only)?
[06:19] <Beta> Damn adobe.
[06:19] <joshua_> Beta, flash 9 exists; shockwave no.
[06:20] <Beta> eh, I have flash.
[06:20] <lupine_85> oh, shockwave != flash?
[06:20] <joshua_> shockwave != flash
[06:20] <CarinArr> no
[06:20] <joshua_> hmm. this may prove interesting to maintain
[06:20] <CarinArr> tho not a lot of stuff uses shockwave
[06:20] <Beta> Now I just need something to replace Visual Studio.
[06:20] <joshua_> I'm trying to keep both a DRI GLX and a nVidia GLX installed at the same time on my system, and switch between them based on what graphics card is present on boot
[06:21] <bluefoxicy> did not work.
[06:21] <h3sp4wn> joshua_: there is diverts though to consider
[06:21] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: i wasn't particularly expecting it too, unless you're on alaptop with known problems
[06:21] <CarinArr> ;)
[06:21] <joshua_> this machine has a GMA950 and a GeForce Go 7400, selected by a switch on boot. I can change X servers fairly easily , but I'm not sure how to change the diverts
[06:22] <joshua_> h3sp4wn, yeah. the way I do it right now is with symlinks that I maintain by hand, but if I can do it a cleaner way, that'd be really nice.
[06:22] <bluefoxicy> hrm
[06:23] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: did you say you managed to get test tone?
[06:23] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  only on the on-board sound
[06:23] <CarinArr> ah
[06:23] <bluefoxicy> If I selected it in gstreamer-properties as sound output and hit test I got a tone
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> if I then used something like rhythmbox to play sound I got no sound
[06:24] <bluefoxicy> ogg123 got no sound either so it's not a gstreamer problem
[06:25] <joshua_> bluefoxicy, try 'ogg123 -d oss your.ogg'
[06:25] <CarinArr> is the whole alsa vs esd still a problem?
[06:25] <CarinArr> i haven't had to mess about with sound stuff for a long while
[06:25] <mastertsunami> what happens if you go into your sound preferences and change everything from autodetect to your device
[06:26] <mastertsunami> in gnome that is, don't know about kde :|
[06:26] <bluefoxicy> mastertsunami:  changed it all to alsa
[06:26] <tapas> hmm, i wonder how i can disable the volume display when using the volume keys on my thinkpad
[06:26] <mastertsunami> you dont' have the actual device name?
[06:26] <tapas> it takes a while to load them and i need these buttons quick
[06:26] <mastertsunami> like ICH9 or whatever
[06:26] <tapas> ;)
[06:26] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: do you only get test sound on the on board one? not the one you want it from?
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  yeah.
[06:27] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: i'm assuming that was before disabling in bios?
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  also the on board one doesn't get me sound from anything else.  I don't care which card sound comes out of, as long as I have it :|
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> yes, before disabling in bios
[06:27] <bluefoxicy> joshua_:  no effect
[06:27] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: you've checked alsamixer hasn't been set to off for whateve reason?;)
[06:27] <CarinArr> sounds idiotic but i've done it before unknowingly
[06:28] <jin> I hope Feisty is not final
[06:28] <Beta> I'm getting an odd glitch. When I play mpg, avi, etc, the image is really washed out. Unless I open another one of said files in a second player an then re-open it.
[06:28] <jin> I think Xorg got some issues
[06:28] <CarinArr> why jin?
[06:28] <CarinArr> Beta: what player?
[06:29] <Beta> Want me to take a screen cap of it CarinArr?
[06:29] <jin> when I start firefox, my Xorg uses almost 100% of the cpu
[06:29] <jin> :\
[06:29] <jin> and gnome starts very slowly in feisty :(
[06:30] <CarinArr> Beta: more wondering what player you're using;)
[06:30] <CarinArr> jin: that sounds bit odd
[06:30] <Beta> I'm using both Totem and VLC. Doesn't matter which opens first. Its almost like IT needs a second player running.
[06:30] <CarinArr> i haven't had any problems like that i'm afraid
[06:31] <CarinArr> Beta: bizarre.. you running beryl or anything?
[06:31] <Beta> That's just it, I'm not running anything but the normal Gnome, not even the desktop effects.
[06:31] <SlimeyPete> what output plugin are you using?
[06:31] <Beta> gstreamer
[06:32] <SlimeyPete> no I mean as in XV, OpenGL....
[06:32] <Beta> Whatever Fiesty came with.
[06:32] <SlimeyPete> try switching VLC to a different output module (it can use several by default), see what happens
[06:32] <Beta> Ok.
[06:33] <Beta> but it happens if I open Totem first as well.
[06:33] <SlimeyPete> it's in preferences, you might need to tick "advanced options" to see it
[06:33] <SlimeyPete> yeah, but I'm thinking it might be an issue with XV on your system (they'll both default to that, I think)
[06:33] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  I've freshly reinstalled the OS and the problem still occurs on the livecd for feisty beta
[06:34] <Beta> ?
[06:34] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: it's worked in earlier ubuntus?
[06:34] <bluefoxicy> yes
[06:34] <Beta> Pete, I'm apparently using OpenGL
[06:35] <SlimeyPete> hmm. Try switching to XV then, see if it works better?
[06:35] <Beta> But then how will that Fix Totem?
[06:35] <SlimeyPete> I'm not sure, but I should think Totem can be told to use XV.
[06:35] <CarinArr> i can't type it without typing fesity at least once
[06:36] <peter77> I've set opera as my default browser but when I click on links in emails and gaim, firefox displays the page and not opera
[06:36] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr:  frisky fox?  :P
[06:37] <CarinArr> bluefoxicy: have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[06:37] <CarinArr> frisky fox.. cute;)
[06:37] <bluefoxicy> CarinArr: malone 105598
[06:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 105598 in Ubuntu "No sound in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105598
[06:38] <lupine_85> it's only ~10 years... :D
[06:38] <CarinArr> yeah i saw that bluefoxicy
[06:39] <Beta> Eh, I'll just have to live with it for now I guess, right? It only happened after I installed the Xine version of Totem and then removed it because it wouldn't load.
[06:39] <mips> How does on install SVN ?
[06:39] <CarinArr> mips: sudo apt-get install subversion
[06:39] <mips> CarinArr, thx looking for svn the whole time :)
[06:39] <CarinArr> mips: you're not the first;)
[06:40] <Beta> could the installation of xine have broken things?
[06:42] <Beta> Eh, resinstalling Gstreamer
[06:44] <shirish> guys does anybody know if the RC is being released or not?
[06:44] <TheSilentW> guys, there is the windows task manager version of ubuntu ?
[06:44] <TheSilentW> where*
[06:45] <piratepenguin> is pulseaudio used in desktop installations of ubuntu?
[06:45] <slackern> system-administration-system monitor ?
[06:45] <TheSilentW> exactly, thx
[06:47] <TheSilentW> slackern, and the program files directory of ubuntu programs?
[06:47] <TheSilentW> i downloaded a plugin for amarok to work with G15 keyboard, but i am not exactly sure where to put it
[06:48] <slackern> TheSilentW,  i would say /usr/bin/
[06:48] <slackern> oh
[06:48] <slackern> something like that could perhaps go into your homefolder in a hidden .amarok folder
[06:48] <slackern> not sure about it though
[06:49] <peter77> I've set opera as my default browser but when I click on links in emails and gaim, firefox displays the page and not opera
[06:49] <slackern> TheSilentW, to show hidden folders like .amarok press control+h to show/hide them
[06:49] <TheSilentW> how i find that folder?
[06:49] <TheSilentW> slackern, no, no .amarok :(
[06:50] <slackern> TheSilentW, oh sorry no idea really i haven't got it installed on this machine =/
[06:50] <TheSilentW> ok, np, thx for the help
[06:50] <slackern> try searching with the built in search of KDE perhaps since i guess thats what you are using?
[06:51] <TheSilentW> no, using gnome
[06:51] <slackern> TheSilentW, ahh hmm maybe you could have a look in /home/thesilentw/.kde
[06:52] <slackern> then there are folders in .kde/share/apps
[06:52] <TheSilentW> no, no .kde
[06:52] <RaD|Tz> hi I have a problem, I was upgrading from Edgy to Feisty and interrupt the process, now my ubuntu doesn't boot anymore, any workaround??
[06:52] <TheSilentW> nah, wait, there it is
[06:53] <slackern> the folders with a . in front are hidden in case you don't know that.
[06:53] <greg_g> RaD|Tz: where in the process was it interrupted?
[06:53] <darx_> usr/share/services
[06:53] <RaD|Tz> on unpacking packages
[06:53] <TheSilentW> i know, it just didnt show on search
[06:53] <RedRose> J/w, has anyone had any glitching problems when having the screensavers running while beryl is?
[06:53] <slackern> TheSilentW, ahh alright, im not sure if the thing you wanted to add should go into a folder in there though
[06:54] <TheSilentW> theres a script-data
[06:54] <greg_g> RaD|Tz: did you cancel it or did the power go out or something?
[06:54] <RaD|Tz> now, greg_g I boot on safe mode and throws me onto BusyBox shell
[06:54] <TheSilentW> put it there, gona run amarok and see what happens
[06:54] <RaD|Tz> I cancel it
[06:55] <darx_> TheSilentW: plugins are registered as KDE services.. and usually installed in /usr/share/services
[06:55] <greg_g> I don't know what to tell ya man, I mean, Fiesty is still beta to begin with, there have been problems with upgrades lately
[06:55] <RaD|Tz> but is there any way to get a shell?
[06:55] <RaD|Tz> from BusyBox shell
[06:56] <RaD|Tz> or mount my partition
[06:56] <TheSilentW> slackern, i just found out that amarok itself has a script installer, how dumb
[06:56] <slackern> TheSilentW, hehe well one learns something everyday :)
[06:56] <TheSilentW> yup
[06:56] <TheSilentW> :)
[06:56] <slackern> TheSilentW, i had no idea about that myself either :)
[06:57] <hidan> btw, Konqueror broke after installing some updates at least 3 to 4 days ago. Anyone know where I should start looking at, for fixes?
[06:57] <TheSilentW> slackern, btw, last time i run amarok i crashed it, i think i did it again ><
[06:57] <TheSilentW> it asked to install mp3 support, and i clicked, now, crashed ><
[06:58] <slackern> TheSilentW, last time i tried amarok it did just the same for me
[06:58] <slackern> was a couple of days ago though
[06:59] <greg_g> RaD|Tz: LiveCDs are awesome for that... do you still have one laying around?
[06:59] <greg_g> it doesn't matter what version, all the tools are the same I think
[06:59] <RaD|Tz> yes, at home, doesn't matter if is from an older version?
[06:59] <RaD|Tz> ok will try
[06:59] <greg_g> no, it shouldn't.. all you need it for is to get a terminal running (from the live cd) then mount the harddrive
[07:00] <greg_g> good luck RaD|Tz
[07:00] <RaD|Tz> thanks
[07:00] <hidan> omg yay i reinstalled konq-kim, konqueror and all konqueror libraries and now konqueror works again!!!
[07:00] <TheSilentW> i guess amarok doesnt work at all, even without the plugin xD ,
[07:04] <Beta> Gah, updates!
[07:05] <Beta> Is there a good reason for the updates my machine just detect?
[07:05] <rsk> read the changelog
[07:06] <rsk> should apperar in every package in the update manager
[07:07] <TheSilentW> anyone knows a SVN program that can just stick to a folder, right click and do get or put, just has simple as that?
[07:13] <rrittenhouse> I did my daily fesity updates today and my kernel was updated to -14 and my nvidia driver was also updated (for the new kernel). The -14 driver does not work on my machine for some reason so now I have to go back to -13 and boot but i have no graphics due to the wrong kernel for the nvidia driver. Any suggestions?
[07:16] <TheSilentW> how i make a folder in unix?
[07:16] <TheSilentW> command line
[07:16] <kal_> mkdir
[07:16] <TheSilentW> thx
[07:18] <kal_> I have a problem with feisty. When i launch gnome-terminal/firefox from gnome panel quick launch, it's very sluggish and long. When i launch it from gnome classic menu, its ok. I've made the latest updates, and its not a bug related to libx11/libxcb so. Does anyone know this problem ?
[07:18] <kal_> im using feisy with a sony vaio laptop S4HP
[07:21] <TheSilentW> how do u unistall a program?
[07:21] <mips> I need some svn help please
[07:22] <mips> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin/ gives me this error:
[07:22] <mips> svn: No repository found in 'svn://anonsvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin'
[07:22] <darx_> TheSilentW: Use synaptics package manager.. details are in the wiki
[07:27] <dballester> hi, anyone has played with raw devices under ubuntu Edgy ?
[07:27] <dballester> modprobe raw ok
[07:28] <dballester> but when
[07:28] <dballester> root@nclserver02:/etc/udev/rules.d# raw /dev/raw/raw1 /dev/VG_DATOS/test_dbm
[07:28] <dballester> Cannot locate raw device '/dev/raw/raw1' (No such file or directory)
[07:28] <rsk> this is not and edgy channel
[07:28] <rsk> try in #ubuntu
[07:28] <dballester> ops sorry
[07:28] <rsk> no worries
[07:30] <delight-net> will there be a rc1? is it expected for today?
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> I need someone to take a screenshot for a bug report for me.
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> Go to http://www.specialized.com/ and take a pic of just the very initial screen, and put it up somewhere and give me the link
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> Ahem, I am hereby making noise about bug 105614 - any ideas?
[07:49] <ubotu> Malone bug 105614 in Ubuntu "[feisty]  Flash site only partially loads" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105614
[07:53] <TheVault> Got a question. Am I able to setup my top and right corners on my touchpad to go forward or backwards in Ubuntu?
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> TheVault: Yes, but it may or may not be easy.
[07:54] <Arwen> gee, thanks a lot... OO.o upgrade...
[07:54] <TheVault> tonyyarusso: how would I accomplish this then?
[07:54] <concept10> tonyyarusso, is it supposed to look that way in the screenshot?
[07:54] <kal_> TheVault: by manually modifying your xorg.conf
[07:54] <TheVault> kal_: What would I enter under which section?
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> TheVault: I actually am about to run out, but for quick summary:  First, check apt-cache search and try some of the config tools to see if they can do it.  If not, backup and then edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have some tap areas mapped to button numbers, and I'm not sure of details from there.
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> concept10: which way in which shot?
[07:55] <kal_> i know that it in section "InputDevice"
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> (The first shot is botched, look at take two of the correct)
[07:55] <kal_> identifier touchpad
[07:55] <concept10> tonyyarusso, the one where you select the language/contry
[07:55] <kal_> but you'll have to read the doc of synaptics driver to know which option is it
[07:55] <TheVault> tonyyarusso: Oh
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> concept10: It's supposed to be a list of countries, yeah.  Mine just shows a black screen with the two headings, as shown in the other shot
[07:56] <TheVault> kal_: I'll see if I can find some help on Ubuntu forum or the net
[07:56] <concept10> tonyyarusso, okay, I see it now
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> :)
[07:56] <kal_> would be faster to read the doc...
[07:56] <concept10> tonyyarusso, are you using that flash-non free library?
[07:56] <TheVault> kal_: Not sure where thats at
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> concept10: I think so
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> flashplugin-nonfree: Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.2ubuntu1
[07:57] <kal_> http://cscott.net/Projects/Synaptics/release/synaptics-latest.tar.gz
[07:57] <kal_> its in it
[07:57] <TheVault> kal_: is that a program?
[07:59] <concept10> tonyyarusso, what version do you see in about:plugins ?
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> concept10: Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31
[08:02] <concept10> tonyyarusso, the flashplugin-nonfree package has caused me grief in the past so I usually remove it and install the flash libraries manually
[08:02] <locolbd> how can i access this file alsa-kernel/Documentation/ALSA-configuration.txt.
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> hmm, 'k
[08:04] <concept10> locolbd, locate alsa | grep doc on my system gives me this: /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz
[08:05] <concept10> tonyyarusso, does it show the same in other browers?
[08:15] <Pensacola> anyone else having problems with feisty and kdewallet?
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> joshua_: you still work on the ipaq?
[08:16] <joshua_> bluefoxicy, nope. I have moved on.
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> joshua_:  ah.  Seems like everybody did; all I see is stagnate and slow releases
[08:16] <joshua_> a lot of politics there.
[08:16] <bluefoxicy> I was hoping Ubuntu would make an iPaq distro one day but no.
[08:17] <joshua_> ubuntu is not well suited for handhelds right now; they are very different systems
[08:17] <joshua_> about all they share in common is a kernel
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> yes
[08:18] <Jonah> hey guys just did a clean install of feisty but with two monitors plugged in, but it seems to have mixed them up and i just get a wavy display when it boots after the splash screen which looks ok
[08:19] <fowlduck> any word on why feisty universe binary and source apt repositories would have md5sum mismatches?
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> concept10: yes
[08:19] <fowlduck> tried it several times, still getting the same problem
[08:19] <Jonah> i've just unplugged one monitor to reboot, how can i get xorg to redetect my hardware etc?
[08:19] <nerdygirl_ellie> hi all
[08:19] <concept10> tonyyarusso, if it shows the same in the other browsers, it can only be the library
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> noted
[08:20] <fowlduck> Jonah: you mean automagically?
[08:21] <openstandards> hello i
[08:23] <openstandards> grrr just updated this morning and i experienced a breakage with network-manager, is there a solution as its no longer detecting my ethernet card
[08:23] <nerdygirl_ellie> Openstandards, are / were you using a linux-restricted modules driver?
[08:24] <openstandards> yes i had the nvidia driver loaded at the time
[08:25] <gourdin> I keep loosing my dhclient ip
[08:25] <gourdin> anyone got an idea ?
[08:25] <jfry> can anyone help me with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15092/ . I can't seem to get my kernel to install after updating to 7.04
[08:25] <nerdygirl_ellie> Openstandards: But the NIC driver was not in l-r-m?
[08:25] <gourdin> (i killed every NetworkManager NetworkManagerDispatcher ...)
[08:26] <openstandards>  nVidia Corporation CK804, thats the driver so it shouldn't be a restricted driver...
[08:26] <gourdin> it seems like avahi daemon is doing something
[08:26] <openstandards> brb want to test something for a second
[08:26] <gourdin> is there a howto configuring feisty network properly ?
[08:29] <nerdygirl_ellie> Openstandards:  Ok, sorry I can't help.  I thought maybe your nic was using a restricted driver and you didn't get the new kernel module when you upgraded, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
[08:30] <nerdygirl_ellie> gourdin: are you not getting an Ip, or you are losing it or?
[08:30] <gourdin> nerdygirl_ellie: I'm getting an ip
[08:31] <gourdin> working connexion for 2 minutes
[08:31] <gourdin> then
[08:31] <gourdin> in var/log/daemon.log I got 3 or 4 dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval XXX
[08:31] <gourdin> then No DHCPOFFERS received.
[08:31] <gourdin> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[08:32] <gourdin> my config worked nice before upgrading feisty today
[08:32] <gourdin> I didn't use "networkmanager"
[08:32] <nerdygirl_ellie> ... you are running dhclient from the command line then?
[08:32] <gourdin> nerdygirl_ellie: yes
[08:33] <nerdygirl_ellie> (e.g. sudo dhclient eth0)
[08:33] <gourdin> exact
[08:33] <gourdin> I got an ip then, 2 or 3 minutes later, got a problem
[08:33] <nerdygirl_ellie> in your log, does it say how long the Lease period is on the IP you receive in the DHCPOFFER?
[08:34] <gourdin> enough :)
[08:34] <gourdin> 36141 seconds.
[08:34] <nerdygirl_ellie> A little less than an hour.  hmm.
[08:34] <ConstyXIV> !badram
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about badram - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <gourdin> nerdygirl_ellie: ?
[08:34] <gourdin> 10 hours
[08:34] <gourdin> 36 141
[08:35] <gourdin> here it is
[08:35] <gourdin> 5 minutes
[08:35] <nerdygirl_ellie> ahh.  I saw 4 digits, not 5.  Nope.  No clue.  Maybe something else is trying to "help" and re-running dhclient?
[08:35] <gourdin> I need to dhclient again
[08:35] <gourdin> help ?
[08:36] <gourdin> I keep "re-running dhclient"
[08:36] <nerdygirl_ellie> This will keep you online, but it isn't a fix.  sudo watch --interval=300 'dhclient eth0'
[08:36] <gourdin> =)
[08:36] <gourdin> yep
[08:36] <gourdin> thx
[08:37] <nerdygirl_ellie> It auto-runs dhclient every 5 minutes. :)  I have no clue though.  Good luck!
[08:38] <nerdygirl_ellie> gourdin:  Want to try network manager?
[08:38] <gourdin> nerdygirl_ellie: network manager stall at 27% for me
[08:38] <gourdin> when I enter my ssid and key
[08:39] <ConstyXIV> does feisty have the badram patch by chance?
[08:39] <DanaG> my gnome-vfs is broken for SSH.
[08:45] <DanaG> What's a good SFTP client?
[08:45] <DanaG> Since gnome-vfs is broken.
[08:46] <Adri2000> filezilla
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> sshfs (fuse)
[08:46] <DanaG> I don't want my password in plain text.
[08:47] <void^> sshfs works fine with public/private keys or a master/control connection
[08:47] <concept10> DanaG, when did gnome-vfs break?  I use it all the time?
[08:47] <cab10886> anyone around here that could point me in the right direction to solve my issue with Ubuntu Edgy + Beryl + ATI Radeon ?
[08:47] <DanaG> Oh yay, aptitude thinks everything is new.
[08:48] <ConstyXIV> cab10886: /join #ubuntu first
[08:48] <DanaG> I'm not in any control of the server.
[08:48] <concept10> what does that mean
[08:48] <cab10886> mmmk
[08:48] <cab10886> acutaly i was there first ;)
[08:48] <concept10> cab10886, have you tried the beryl wiki?
[08:49] <concept10> DanaG, or you can use simple sftp
[08:49] <jfry> can anyone help me with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15092/ . I can't seem to get my kernel to install after updating to 7.04
[08:52] <DanaG> I don't remember when it broke.
[08:52] <ghatak> Hi, there were some updates released last night which i applied. now the network applet reports disconnected even though eth0 is up. i am connected via it right now. Some applications like gaim etc are having issue connecting as these apps think that there is no network connectivity
[08:53] <DanaG> gnomevfs-info ssh://hornet.csc.calpoly.edu
[08:53] <DanaG> Error: Timeout reached
[08:54] <DanaG> gnomevfs-info ssh://falcon.csc.calpoly.edu
[08:54] <DanaG> Error: Timeout reached
[08:55] <valehru> Hey guys, I have scim installed however it is not showing any languages that I can choose to type in. Any ideas?
[08:56] <valehru> oh and it does not start automatically when I log into the system.
[08:56] <valehru> pls hlp
[08:57] <openstandards> hi again, wasn't sure if i did a restart earlier after my ethernet card stopped working
[08:57] <DanaG> Oh yay, at least Vogon is working.
[08:57] <openstandards> but i did and i ain't using a restricted ethernet driver
[08:58] <openstandards> any idea what my problem could be?
[09:05] <jfry> OK, ONE MORE TRY: can anyone help me with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15092/ . I can't seem to get my kernel to install after updating to 7.04
[09:06] <jfry> sorry for spamming... but I'm stuck
[09:10] <DanaG> Oh, so THAT's what it is:
[09:10] <DanaG> The servers are Solaris.  :(
[09:13] <Wille88> anyone willing to help me with nvidia drivers: http://sakon.vankila.org/~wille/screenlog.txt
[09:14] <MrFeetio> I read somewhere that deluge is included in feisty's repos... but I can't find it
[09:18] <openstandards> MrFeetio: don't use the one in the repos the developer doesn't recommdend it
[09:18] <openstandards> its got a bug in it which will screw up your downloads
[09:18] <bill_k> I just downloaded the daily built iso yesterday from http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/20070410/.  When I booted to the iso (have run memtest and mediacheck) it stuck on a black screen with an error http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/billyk128/feisty.jpg (see image).  It's an amd 2600+ with an ati9800pro.  I have never had any issues with past versions.  any ideas?
[09:19] <bill_k> the daily build*
[09:19] <aaroncampbell> What is the best thing to use for vnc on my system? (setting this up as a server that I can access from elsewhere)
[09:19] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi Aaron!
[09:20] <naranha> i don't get it, i try to start ubuntu with gdm and the system freezes completely, after the login screen has been shown for a few seconds (nothing but hard reset works). however xinit works fine, no crashs, everything is ok.
[09:20] <aaroncampbell> hi
[09:20] <jan__> Hello people. In the moment I have a seldom but repeating problem with my Ubuntu. The Ubuntu jingle is played back every few seconds while I am locked-in. How can I investigate the problem to find the reason of it?
[09:21] <christyxx1> good day all
[09:23] <EmxBA> CDs that would be ordered these days are going to be sent _after_ 19th april, right?
[09:23] <bur[n] e1> EmxBA: that would make sense since Feisty won't be released until then ;)
[09:23] <christyxx1> I want to install a launcher in a panel - how are commands identified in the filing system? If I want to find the command that will start Thunderbird, for example, where would I look? Locate turns up hundreds of items with thunderbird in the name and  ihave no one is the executable file.
[09:23] <jan__> no idea? would be a good change now to catch a bug.
[09:24] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: just type "mozilla-thunderbird" as your command... most programs are located in /usr/bin
[09:24] <christyxx1> i meant i have no idea which one is the executable file
[09:24] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: or use the menu to right click an icon and send it to the panel
[09:24] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird is your executable
[09:25] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: but you can just type "mozilla-thunderbird" since /usr/bin is part of your "PATH"
[09:25] <EmxBA> ok
[09:25] <christyxx1> If I right-click Thunderbird in my menu, the program opens
[09:25] <bill_k> hate to be annoying, but can anyone look at my message above?  basically error on booting the iso... never had problems before error here http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/billyk128/feisty.jpg worth a bug report?
[09:25] <jan__> Hello people, once again: In the moment I have a seldom but repeating problem with my Ubuntu. The Ubuntu jingle is played back every few seconds while I am locked-in. How can I investigate the problem to find the reason of it?
[09:25] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: you must be using xubuntu?
[09:25] <christyxx1> yes
[09:25] <bur[n] e1> ok, no right click for you then ;)  it's only in gnome & kde
[09:25] <christyxx1> in genereal, is theere a way to identify program files
[09:26] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: if they're in /usr/bin, it's a "program file" or "executable" or whatever you call it
[09:26] <FnuggleMaster> Hey
[09:26] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: also... if the file is a +x, it's an executable
[09:26] <tarzeau> christyxx1: using file ?
[09:26] <tarzeau> christyxx1: file * will tell what it is
[09:26] <bur[n] e1> tarzeau: I don't think this is a GNUstep channel ;)
[09:26] <tarzeau> bur[n] e1: huh? :)
[09:27] <bur[n] e1> tarzeau: nevermind, you must be a different tarzeau
[09:27] <christyxx1> good - that is what I wanted - the list of apps in usr bin
[09:27] <christyxx1> thx
[09:27] <FnuggleMaster> I have a kernel boot error and boot into busybox. I can start the old kernel fine, but now X won't start due to an nVidia error. I think the nVidia driver was upgraded but it might require the newer kernel. How can I repair the latest kernel boot?
[09:27] <tarzeau> bur[n] e1: i'm the one from #morphix
[09:27] <bur[n] e1> christyxx1: even better!!!  /usr/share/applications!
[09:27] <FnuggleMaster> ..without compiling own ;)
[09:27] <christyxx1> thx all
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> FnuggleMaster: what kind of nvidia card?
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> bur[n] e1: Fx5200 128mb
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> Geforce
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> FnuggleMaster: get nvidia-new
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> er... nvidia-glx-new
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> bur[n] e1: get that and it might work?
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> Will do
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> i think so
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> it installs the nvidia 9755 driver again
[09:28] <nerdygirl_ellie> burn:  did you used to have the nvidia driver from nvidia?
[09:28] <FnuggleMaster> bur[n] e1: doing
[09:29] <bur[n] e1> nerdygirl_ellie: nope... never...  I always get it from apt
[09:29] <nerdygirl_ellie> ok.  I'll hush. ;)
[09:29] <wizard> crimsun: hey, do you think you have time to trouble shoot my sound further?
[09:30] <crimsun> wizard: I'm very busy atm, but I'll contact you shortly
[09:30] <wizard> crimsun: alright
[09:30] <wizard> i noticed there were some updates
[09:30] <wizard> i am gonna run them and see how they work on it, crimsun
[09:31] <FnuggleMaster> dfgas_: You the man! In X :D
[09:31] <FnuggleMaster> dfgas_: Beryl and all :)
[09:31] <mcphail> Can I just give kudos to whoever designed the "Search for multimedia codec" dialog in Feisty :)
[09:31] <choudesh> heh
[09:32] <EmxBA> related to recent amd decision that beryl and other similar things won't work with their Linux drivers, that means that there's no solution for users who have ATI cards?
[09:32] <choudesh> EmxBA, which ATI card do you use?
[09:32] <bur[n] e1> some ati cards work
[09:32] <bur[n] e1> even though "not supported"
[09:33] <bur[n] e1> though nvidia is the option to go if buying new
[09:33] <bur[n] e1> or intel I suppose
[09:33] <mastertsunami> won't work *yet*
[09:33] <mastertsunami> amd just bought ati man, give them some time to fix the drivers :)
[09:34] <mastertsunami> and yes, you can use XGL with ATI from what I understand :|
[09:34] <iXneonXi> lol
[09:34] <iXneonXi> Hey everyone, I'm trying to figure out whether an issue I'm experiencing is a bug in the Feisty Beta or a personal computer problem.
[09:35] <choudesh> iXneonXi, what seems to be the problem?
[09:35] <iXneonXi> If it's a bug I'll get it on launchpad, if my computer is messing up, i surely want to get it fixed
[09:35] <iXneonXi> Ubiquity's partitioner lists a partition as invalid and with inconsistencies and asks to continue as is. I click continue and it crashes and moves to the next step of install
[09:35] <iXneonXi> I run AMD64
[09:36] <choudesh> iXneonXi, that may be the fsck bug.
[09:37] <choudesh> iXneonXi, https://launchpad.net/bugs/94647
[09:37] <iXneonXi> I ran e2fsck and it said the partition is clean, but I'm not sure if I used the corret answers
[09:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 94647 in partman-partitioning "Resize operation failure" [High,Fix released]
[09:37] <iXneonXi> *correct options
[09:37] <iXneonXi> is launchpad working for yall?
[09:37] <choudesh> yea. just slow.
[09:37] <iXneonXi> ok
[09:37] <iXneonXi> i timed out on e
[09:37] <choudesh> actually, no.
[09:38] <jfry> anyone know why I might be missing /sbin/update-grub... I did an upgrade and now I can't install the latest kernel.
[09:38] <iXneonXi> guess i'll have to wait
[09:39] <jfry> ahh nm... was there a switch to lilo with 7.04?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> jfry: nope still grub
[09:40] <EmxBA> x1300xt/x1600pro
[09:40] <EmxBA> that's the name
[09:40] <iXneonXi> Everyone said to ditch AMD64 and stick with x86. Shall I be corrected?
[09:40] <EmxBA>  RV530LE
[09:40] <jfry> gnomefreak: then why isn't grub installed on my machine anymore... just lilo
[09:40] <gnomefreak> jfry: dont know why
[09:40] <jfry> gnomefreak: I use kubuntu, and previously xbuntu
[09:41] <gnomefreak> jfry: i have heard others say the same thing but i cant remember what it was
[09:41] <jfry> gnomefreak: is there an easy way to switch?
[09:41] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get install grub?
[09:41] <gnomefreak> jfry: never used lilo
[09:41] <EmxBA> does someone have experience with cards that *work*? :)
[09:41] <gnomefreak> so i never had to switch
[09:42] <gnomefreak> !grub | jfry
[09:42] <ubotu> jfry: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:42] <gnomefreak> maybe it says it in those links
[09:42] <iXneonXi> Everyone? Should I ditch the AMD64 versions and stick with x86? I have Athlon64 but I read it is not worth it.
[09:42] <preglow> hi, is it just me, or are there no restricted modules for the amd64 lowlatency kernel?
[09:42] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: do you like flash mp3 dvds and so on
[09:43] <iXneonXi> gnomefreak: yah
[09:43] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: go with 386
[09:43] <iXneonXi> roger
[09:43] <gnomefreak> or x86 even sorry
[09:43] <iXneonXi> is AMD64 only for people with insane amounts of RAM?
[09:43] <jfry> gnomefreak: thanks, I'll figure it out I'm sure
[09:44] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: not really you just dont have the things that x86 is able to do
[09:44] <iXneonXi> gnomefreak: what's it's main purpose?
[09:44] <preglow> iXneonXi: not only, no, some types of code will also benefit from it without taking ram into consideration
[09:44] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: proc speed but i hear not much differnet
[09:45] <iXneonXi> So in reality, it can come in handy for servers and specific tasks, but not useful and somewhat counter-productive for a desktop user
[09:45] <preglow> iXneonXi: what makes you think it's counterproductive?
[09:45] <choudesh> iXneonXi, I would disagree.
[09:45] <iXneonXi> oh
[09:45] <gnomefreak> just about im sure there is a longer list but thats a good start
[09:45] <iXneonXi> well, support?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> support for main is good
[09:46] <choudesh> iXneonXi, 64-bit computing will go mainstream in about 5 years
[09:46] <iXneonXi> because people will have more memory
[09:46] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: when you get into universe and multiverse repos you will find alot of things dont work
[09:46] <iXneonXi> yah
[09:46] <johnnybuoy> counter-productive because eg. no flash plugin, and fewer apps in repos?
[09:46] <iXneonXi> johnnybuoy: for a desktop user
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> yes
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> laptop also ;P
[09:47] <iXneonXi> I'll go try Feisty Beta x86 this time
[09:47] <gnomefreak> general user
[09:47] <iXneonXi> hopefully Ubiquity won't screwup
[09:47] <choudesh> hmm... Places->CD/DVD Creator shouldn't show up if there isn't a CD/DVD burner
[09:47] <johnnybuoy> true..
[09:48] <choudesh> never understood why CD/DVD Creator was under places.
[09:48] <gnomefreak> choudesh: do you have nautilus-cd-burner installed or whatever the name is
[09:48] <Wille88> does anyone else have problem with gnome-main-menu since last update? it keeps crashing all the time on my computer.
[09:48] <choudesh> gnomefreak, yea.
[09:48] <gnomefreak> choudesh: uninstall it maybe it will go away?
[09:48] <xtknight> can't feisty play dvds out of the box more or less?
[09:49] <gnomefreak> xtknight: not out of box no
[09:49] <xtknight> or was that just mp3?  what all codecs did they make easier to use?
[09:49] <choudesh> gnomefreak, but it shouldn't be displayed if there is no burner. even if that package is installed. ;-)
[09:49] <gnomefreak> its easier to get codecs needed
[09:49] <gnomefreak> xtknight: mp3 mainly
[09:49] <xtknight> gnomefreak, would totem show a dialog if you tried to play a dvd?
[09:49] <choudesh> gnomefreak, I unhooked my burners because I installed a new power supply
[09:49] <gnomefreak> choudesh: so its ubuntus fault you installed the app?
[09:50] <johnnybuoy> is that app not in ubuntu-desktop?
[09:50] <gnomefreak> xtknight: i assume it would but i always get the codecs i need before trying to play
[09:50] <johnnybuoy> it is in the default install iirc
[09:50] <choudesh> gnomefreak, heh. I am just saying that if there isn't a device that supports it, it shouldn't show.
[09:50] <gnomefreak> yep it is
[09:50] <johnnybuoy> so...
[09:51] <gnomefreak> choudesh: they made ubuntu-desktop depends on it because 90% of users have a burner. thinking (cant make everyone happy, make the masses happy)
[09:51] <choudesh> gnomefreak, true. I am just doing some UI tests/surveys.
[09:51] <johnnybuoy> why can't hal detect wether it's a cd burner or not?
[09:52] <iXneonXi> hmm
[09:52] <iXneonXi> it fits on a CD...
[09:52] <choudesh> gnomefreak, size wise or package wise?
[09:52] <iXneonXi> that's saying a lot for major desktops
[09:52] <gnomefreak> choudesh: the packages it depends on
[09:52] <choudesh> gnomefreak, ah.
[09:53] <gnomefreak> apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <iXneonXi> oh
[09:53] <choudesh> already did.
[09:53] <iXneonXi> gnomefreak: it sure could help stability
[09:53] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: but wouldnt make the masses happy
[09:53] <iXneonXi> right
[09:53] <iXneonXi> I would rather my computer to work than be loaded with everything
[09:53] <gnomefreak> the more you add to install the more users will switch from windows
[09:53] <choudesh> so what is up with launchpad?
[09:54] <iXneonXi> lol
[09:54] <iXneonXi> Windowsifying Linux
[09:54] <gnomefreak> launchpad worked last i saw
[09:54] <iXneonXi> it's just laggy
[09:54] <gnomefreak> its more of ease to use
[09:54] <johnnybuoy> heh
[09:54] <choudesh> John - can you hit launchpad?
[09:54] <gnomefreak> iXneonXi: stable launchpad?
[09:54] <johnnybuoy> very strange
[09:55] <iXneonXi> bugs.launchpad.net is lagging badly for me
[09:55] <johnnybuoy> shipit can not accept non-ascii chars in names and addresses
[09:55] <iXneonXi> If I want all 3 (Xubuntu Ubuntu Kubuntu) should I just install Ubuntu first?
[09:55] <johnnybuoy> so what about africa and asia?
[09:55] <iXneonXi> and then add via apt?
[09:55] <choudesh> John is bugs.launchpad.net on another server or same as launchpad
[09:55] <gnomefreak> launchpad
[09:55] <iXneonXi> both lag for me
[09:56] <gnomefreak> same server if i had to bet on it
[09:56] <johnnybuoy> only one server?
[09:56] <choudesh> iXneonXi, I am seeing the lag. I can load launchpad, but not bugs
[09:56] <iXneonXi> they're both lagging for me
[09:56] <iXneonXi> but they load
[09:57] <johnnybuoy> this shipit is strange
[09:57] <choudesh> gnomefreak, nautilus-open-terminal should be part of ubuntu-desktop
[09:57] <johnnybuoy> how do they ship to africa or asia?
[09:57] <gnomefreak> johnnybuoy: mail?
[09:58] <johnnybuoy> heh
[09:58] <johnnybuoy> shipit can not accept non-ascii chars in names and addresses
[09:58] <gnomefreak> shipit hasnt opened for feisty yet has it?
[09:58] <johnnybuoy> digg it man ;)
[09:58] <johnnybuoy> that's why launchpad is lagging
[09:59] <iXneonXi> lol
[09:59] <iXneonXi> Launchpad got dugg again, for what?
[09:59] <johnnybuoy> shipit
[09:59] <iXneonXi> that was ages ago
[09:59] <johnnybuoy> ages?
[09:59] <johnnybuoy> wtf?
[09:59] <iXneonXi> wrong one
[09:59] <iXneonXi> lol
[10:00] <finalbeta> Well over a week ago though.
[10:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> ubuntu decided tyo not boot into X anymore after a dist upgrade
[10:00] <iXneonXi> it said 5 days
[10:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> sitting here on a blank xserver saying it cant find the nvidia module even though its installed
[10:00] <askar> Hi! when the screensaver gets active and I want to use my computer again, i have to type my password..the problem is that my keyboard gets disabled..is that known bug?
[10:01] <johnnybuoy> don't happen here