[12:02] <haggai> elmo: you asked earlier about python-qt.  Turns out it depends on sip4-qt3 packages < 4.2 (unstable has 4.1) yet a MOTU uploaded 4.2.1
[12:08] <haggai> elmo: 23:07 < crimsun> haggai: I'm on it already :)
[12:35] <motaboy> haggai: hi
[12:38] <haggai> hi motaboy
[12:38] <motaboy> I wrote to you for the kdebluetooth package. I hope I have fixed the issues.
[12:38] <haggai> thanks, I just read over your mail quickly
[12:39] <motaboy> haggai: I have some doubts on the kbluepin
[12:39] <haggai> I managed to get the system to see my phone at least
[12:39] <motaboy> haggai: great.
[12:39] <motaboy> haggai: bluez-utils was definitely needed.
[12:40] <haggai> I could only make pairing work once I changed the pin helper setting to kbluepin
[12:40] <motaboy> haggai: have you tried kbtobexclient?
[12:41] <motaboy> haggai: I never received a bug report on it ;-)
[12:41] <haggai> motaboy: um not sure, I did get obex working I think
[12:41] <motaboy> haggai: maybe this is the first :P
[12:41] <haggai> heh
[12:41] <haggai> I couldn't get kitchensync synchronisation working
[12:41] <motaboy> haggai: aargh...
[12:42] <motaboy> haggai: yes. that thing needs a mantainer... my phone died...
[12:42] <haggai> ouch
[12:43] <motaboy> haggai: I think that more than one person is needed to mantain it
[12:43] <motaboy> haggai: as every phone behave differently for some aspects :(
[12:43] <haggai> motaboy: yes, I thought I saw another email address on the packages, did he step down?
[12:43] <motaboy> haggai: yes.:(
[12:43] <haggai> oh :(
[12:44] <motaboy> haggai: I have to kontact the kithcensync mantainer and ask if he wants to take a look at it.
[12:44] <motaboy> haggai: as there are some features of kitchensync undocumented and it has an irmc phone too. :D
[12:50] <allee> motaboy: where's the kdebluetooth deb?  Are there changes worth commiting to keg-3 debian/ dir?
[12:50] <motaboy> allee: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/debian/
[12:50] <allee> motaboy: thx
[12:51] <motaboy> allee: the debian dir in keg-3 is for debian and Fred (the other kdebluetooth dev mantains it).
[12:51] <motaboy> allee: I don't know if I can change it as debian don't have already kde 3.4
[12:51] <motaboy> allee: and some features depends on it.
[12:53] <motaboy> allee: bubt you know better than am as you made them. :P
[12:53] <allee> motaboy: got me ;)
[12:53] <motaboy> s/bubt/but s/am/me
[12:53] <allee> I know debian/ needs quite some polishing :(
[12:56] <allee> btw  kubuntu.org{,.uk} revolve to same IP address but no dev.kubuntu.org yet?
[12:56] <Riddell> allee: dev.kubuntu.org.uk is a completely different machine
[12:58] <allee> Riddell: right. but 'you' own both zones so no prob to define dev.kubuntu.org (I thought *.uk was temporary)
[12:59] <Riddell> allee: I don't own kubuntu.org, canonical do.  I own kubuntu.org.uk which is why I've set dev.kubuntu.org.uk to point to my machine.  cos then it makes me look cool
[01:00] <allee> Riddell: Hey!  you are cool independently!!!!
[01:01] <Riddell> true, true
[01:08] <mdz> kubuntu install and live CDs being built now
[01:09] <mdz> release candidate candidates
[01:09] <mdz> are you folks available to test?
[01:10] <Riddell> mdz: ETA?  I'm about but need to cycle off to find a CD burner
[01:10] <mdz> Riddell: ~15m for live, ~60m or so for install, I guess
[01:10] <allee> motaboy: FYI kdebluetooth-irmcsync_0.99+1.0beta1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is not there (can't test it, so nothing urgetn ;))
[01:11] <Riddell> "checking for libkcal/resourcecalendar.h... no"  what the heck is wrong with kdesdk
[01:11] <motaboy> allee: thanks.uploaded.
[01:11] <Riddell> libkcal2-dev is there and contains libkcal/resourcecalendar.h
[01:11] <allee> motaboy: thx.  downloading ...
[01:12] <mdz> Riddell: config.log?
[01:13] <elmo> Riddell: are you looking at ubuntu4 old logs?
[01:13] <Riddell> elmo: yes
[01:13] <elmo> 'cos the problem is libkcal2-dev not depending on kdepim but amu fixed that
[01:13] <elmo> don't then :p
[01:13] <elmo> (or read scrollback)
[01:15] <Riddell> ok so kdesdk was put back but new libkcal2-dev was not ready?  I've uploaded kdesdk ubuntu5 so maybe it'll be fixed by the time that's compiled
[01:17] <elmo> don't worry, I'm tracking it, I'll make sure it gets compiled
[01:17] <elmo> kdesdk is the last out-of-date thing in main :-P
[01:18] <Riddell> cool
[01:23] <allee> motaboy: any idea if it's easy to dlopen libxmms (like kopete does in 3.4) to get rid of xmms dependency?
[01:23] <motaboy> allee: I think it should be possible.
[01:24] <haggai> mdz: anything ready yet to download?
[01:26] <mdz> haggai: live CDs are up
[01:27] <mdz> install are building
[01:27] <Kamion> judging from the diff mail I got, it should be a whole lot smaller than the last one
[01:27] <motaboy> allee: I'm quite unhappy for the fact that in kdebluetooth we are only 2 developers... I was thinking that was too easy to find other people that liked to enjoy the project but probably this isn't true :(
[01:29] <allee> motaboy: maybe the stable release in the near future (?) will help
[01:29] <motaboy> allee: I hope :D
[01:30] <haggai> motaboy: shame you arrived so late, otherwise I would have liked to have included kdebluetooth in the kubuntu release
[01:30] <haggai> that might have got some more interest for you too
[01:31] <allee> motaboy: and a HW lap sending you lots of hardware to test sync would help too ;)
[01:31] <motaboy> allee: eheheheh :D
[01:31] <motaboy> haggai: sorry, I discovered kubuntu too late :(
[01:32] <haggai> motaboy: heh
[01:32] <allee> haggai: and I was busy with other debs :(
[01:33] <allee> motaboy: do you know of any plans for integration of  dbus & co into kdebluetooth(d)
[01:36] <elmo> ARGH
[01:36] <motaboy> allee: I think we have to wait how the dbus integration will be in all kde. For example there are already quite good dbus bindings for QT4
[01:36] <elmo> amu didn't fix kdepim
[01:36] <elmo> Riddell/haggai/amu: someone please fix libkcal2-dev to really Depend: on kdepim-dev
[01:37] <motaboy> allee: If you are interested there was a discussion on kde-core-devel some months ago.
[01:37] <elmo> 0ubuntu6 claims to, but it's not in the Depends of the built package
[01:38] <amu> Package: libkcal2-dev
[01:38] <amu> Section: libdevel
[01:39] <amu> Depends: kdepim-dev
[01:39] <elmo> katie@jackass:~ $ dpkg -I pool/main/k/kdepim/libkcal2-dev_3.4.0-0ubuntu6_i386.deb  | grep Depends
[01:39] <elmo>  Depends: libkcal2a (= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu6)
[01:40] <elmo> amu: dude, you added a 2nd Depends line
[01:40] <elmo> that doesn't work
[01:40] <allee> motaboy: qt4 is far far away :(
[01:41] <elmo> Depends: kdepim-dev (<< 4:3.3.90)
[01:41] <elmo> Architecture: any
[01:41] <elmo> Depends: libkcal2a (= ${Source-Version})
[01:41] <elmo> those need to be merged
[01:41] <allee> motaboy: I thinking about better kbluepin  works-out-of-the-box.
[01:41] <amu> elmo: i saw it now :/
[01:41] <elmo> and err?
[01:41] <elmo> what's with the << ?
[01:42] <elmo> that won't work either
[01:42] <elmo> kdepim-dev | 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu6 |         hoary | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc
[01:43] <allee> motaboy:  Maybe a  "case `runs-desktop $USER`; in kde) kbluepin; gnome) whatever; ...; esac" wrapper for hcid.conf pin program?
[01:44] <motaboy> allee: haggai suggest to use debian alternative systems and made kbluepin a separated package. I like this idea.
[01:44] <amu> Package: libkcal2-dev
[01:44] <amu> Section: libdevel
[01:44] <amu> Architecture: any
[01:44] <amu> Depends: libkcal2a (= ${Source-Version}), kdepim-dev
[01:44] <amu> Conflicts: kdepim-libs (<< 4:3.3.90)
[01:44] <amu> Replaces: kdepim-libs (<< 4:3.3.90)
[01:44] <elmo> looks good
[01:45] <allee> motaboy: fine for kubuntu but not for kubuntu/ubuntu mix usage
[01:45] <haggai> motaboy: allee's soln has the advantage it would pick the right pin program if you have both kde and gnome users on the same machine
[01:45] <amu> i also added the headerfiles from libkcal into libkcal2-dev
[01:46] <mdz> install CDs are up now too
[01:46] <mdz> Kamion: diff mail?
[01:46] <haggai> I'm only 30% into the live cd
[01:47] <motaboy> allee: haggai: true. :D
[01:47] <allee> haggai, motaboy:  now add support for display :0, :1 etc  via a active-desktop-is-on-display script and I'm happy ;)
[01:47] <Kamion> mdz: cdimage spams me with diffs of seed outputs between last and current CD image
[01:47] <Riddell> where can I rsync the live cd from?
[01:47] <mdz> Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:47] <Kamion> Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:47] <haggai> Riddell: rsync://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[01:47] <Kamion> (he says from memory, check that)
[01:48] <Kamion> haggai: please don't rsync from named hosts, use the service names
[01:48] <haggai> Kamion: cdimage wasn't working
[01:48] <mdz> Kamion: the i386 CD, at least, isn't particularly small. was it overflowing before?
[01:48] <elmo> haggai: dude, mirnyy is cdimage
[01:48] <elmo> has been for a long time
[01:48] <motaboy> allee: sorry for my ignorance, but are these 2 scripts already present in ubuntu?
[01:48] <mdz> 578M hoary-live-amd64.iso  614M hoary-live-powerpc.iso
[01:48] <mdz> 620M hoary-live-i386.iso
[01:49] <elmo> haggai: but like kamion says, use the aliases..
[01:49] <Kamion> mdz: no; it dropped by about 11MB though
[01:49] <haggai> elmo: fine, I just used what you told me to when I was having problems
[01:49] <elmo> haggai: I was telling you the secret cabal URL - ur not meant to pass it on, silly
[01:49] <Kamion> mdz: I was just commenting based on the fact that libgtk2.0-0, libbonobo*, libgnome*, etc. aren't on Kubuntu CDs any more
[01:49] <allee> motaboy: not that I'm aware of.  I've wrote once a hack for active-desktop-is-on-display
[01:49] <mdz> haggai: elmo will take away your decoder ring
[01:49] <mdz> Kamion: ah, yes
[01:50] <mdz> that was probably my fault for missing them in one of my merges
[01:50] <haggai> elmo: uh oh it gets hard to distinguish between undocumented-becuase-no-one-bothered and undocumented-part-of-the-cabal stuff ;)
[01:50] <mdz> python-gnome2 and such
[01:50] <motaboy> allee: ok.
[01:50] <allee> motaboy: Normally I clone debian system, so I tend to forget how it is to install from scratch (kubuntu reminded me now ;)
[01:50] <motaboy> :D Now I'd say good night to All!
[01:50] <motaboy> And goo kubuntu release.
[01:50] <motaboy> s/goo/good
[01:51] <haggai> night motaboy
[01:51] <allee> motaboy: nite!
[01:51] <allee> I better to the same.  Night
[01:51] <haggai> night
[01:55] <Riddell> hmm, 3 hours to rsync livecd
[02:10] <Riddell> should I ask on #kubuntu for people to test the images?
[02:11] <haggai> yup
[02:13] <apokryphos> Live images? I'm pretty bored -- I'll test.
[02:15] <Riddell> apokryphos: looks like both live and install are there
[02:16] <haggai> ooh my live cd is downloaded
[02:16] <Riddell> that was fast
[02:17] <haggai> Riddell: I had rsynced todays' image so I had as much as possible that was the same
[02:19] <Riddell> sneaky :)
[02:29] <Riddell> rsync died
[02:29] <mdz> how is the testing going?
[02:30] <mdz> the Ubuntu candidate candidates look good
[02:30] <Riddell> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver]   bah
[02:31] <amu> mdz: booting ppc
[02:31] <mdz> I'll test some live CDs
[02:38] <Riddell> well rsync definatly doesn't want to work for me any more
[02:39] <haggai> Riddell: I had that too, that's when elmo told me the secret url
[02:39] <mdz> live-amd64 looks mostly OK; no sound though
[02:39] <mdz> the CPU overload dialog didn't display at least
[02:40] <mdz> but I get no sound for the konsole bell, nor when I use artsplay
[02:40] <Riddell> haggai: secret URL not working either
[02:40] <mdz> Riddell: I believe that error means you have another rsync connection open from the same IP
[02:43] <Riddell> that'll be the rsync that died on me, any way to sort it?
[02:44] <elmo> kill it on your end
[02:45] <elmo> if you really can't find it (?), give me your IP and I'll kill it on mirnyy
[02:45] <elmo> unfortunately so many people abuse the open rsync policy, that limiting connections-per-ip is really necessary
[02:46] <haggai> my live-i386 cd has sound
[02:48] <Riddell> elmo: can't find anything on my end, I'm connected from riddell.demon.co.uk <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:48] <Riddell> amu-: success?
[02:49] <amu-> yep
[02:49] <mdz> live-i386 and live-powerpc both look good
[02:49] <mdz> haggai: likewise
[02:49] <amu-> but found 3 things
[02:49] <mdz> the sound problem seems to be amd64-specific
[02:49] <mdz> sound worked fine in the same machine with the Ubuntu RCC
[02:49] <amu-> booted in german but got a english desktop
[02:50] <amu-> k3b
[02:50] <mdz> is kde-i18n-de installed?
[02:50] <amu-> Unable to find cdrdao executable
[02:50] <amu-> K3b uses cdrdao to actually write CDs.
[02:50] <amu-> Solution: Install the cdrdao package.
[02:50] <elmo> Riddell: can't see any live connections; and it looks like genuine timeouts rather than rsync kicking you out on this end
[02:50] <mdz> a bug has been open about k3b/cdrdao for ages
[02:51] <amu-> mdz: no, i18n isnt installed
[02:51] <mdz> wow, those packages are HUGE
[02:52] <mdz> we do not have space for many languages
[02:52] <Riddell> elmo: it's magically started working again, sorry for the bother
[02:52] <Riddell> mdz: which packages?
[02:52] <mdz> Riddell: kde-i18n-*
[02:52] <amu-> and last thing openoffice look very ugly :)
[02:53] <Riddell> I guess Kamion's kde-i18n insatllation stuff hasn't worked then
[02:54] <mdz> Kamion's stuff wouldn't affect the live CD
[02:54] <mdz> for the live CD, you'll need to change the live seed and choose which languages to preinstall
[02:54] <Kamion> right, base-config is install CD only
[02:54] <Riddell> ah, all is forgiven Kamion  :)
[02:54] <amu-> sound / wlan / germany keymaps / X has the correct resolution works out of the box
[02:54] <Kamion> you don't want to wait for packages to be installed while booting a live CD
[02:55] <Riddell> X palette issues fixed themselves?
[02:55] <mdz> this being KDE, I suppose kde-i18n-de should be one of the high-priority languages :-)
[02:55] <mdz> amu-: oo.o looks no more ugly than other programs here
[02:56] <mdz> ah
[02:56] <amu-> Riddell: yes it's also solved
[02:56] <mdz> haggai: the CPU overload dialog came up after a long time
[02:56] <mdz> and now sound works
[02:56] <mdz> so it's the same old bug
[02:56] <mdz> is that bug in bugzilla, or should I report one?
[02:56] <apokryphos> LiveCD looks real nice; everything seems to be working well (didn't detect my connection again, but hey). :)
[02:57] <mdz> apokryphos: connection?
[02:57] <haggai> mdz: it's not in bugzilla and I can't reproduce it
[02:57] <mdz> haggai: you can't reproduce it on amd64?
[02:57] <haggai> mdz: is it maybe because I only have i386 perhaps?
[02:57] <amu-> mdz: CPU overload appear not on my sys
[02:57] <mdz> (that's the only place it happens for me)
[02:57] <mdz> amu-: amd64?
[02:57] <amu-> ppc
[02:57] <mdz> ...
[02:57] <apokryphos> mdz: Internet connection; all comps here are connected via router.
[02:58] <mdz> sound works fine for me on i386 and powerpc.  on amd64, sound doesn't work until I get the CPU overload dialog
[02:58] <Riddell> mdz: searching on arts in bugzilla.ubuntu.com doesn't bring up anything
[02:58] <mdz> apokryphos: using DHCP on a wired network?  ought to work
[02:58] <haggai> Riddell: what did you think of my proposal to move amarok to supported seed?
[02:58] <apokryphos> mdz: In the actual installation of Ubuntu it detects dhcp stuff just fine; on live CD seem to have no connection. Is there a command to reconfigure dhcp? Doesn't really matter so much, though.
[02:59] <Riddell> haggai: I'm unsure, on the one hand amarok is cool, popular and sexy and on the other hand I use Juk
[03:00] <haggai> Riddell: I don't think we should have 2 players installed by default.  You say juk is easier to use so lets just stick with that
[03:00] <Riddell> haggai: but I guess supported is a nice middle ground for amarok so yes
[03:01] <mdz> apokryphos: that does matter; it's a bug if it isn't detected
[03:01] <mdz> apokryphos: do you have more than one network interface?
[03:01] <haggai> apokryphos: you can reconfig the network through settings->internet & network-> network connections (although as mdz says you shouldn't need to)
[03:02] <apokryphos> mdz: erm, nope. Pretty standard; wired network like you said.
[03:03] <haggai> horray install cd downloaded and burned
[03:03] <mdz> apokryphos: when it's starting up, do you see the DHCP progress bar, or not?
[03:03] <mdz> apokryphos: if you could send me a copy of /var/log/casper/syslog that would help
[03:04] <apokryphos> mdz: Didn't check at the time, would have to restart to check... I can if you like. In kcontrol I get "disabled ethernet network device"
[03:04] <amu> cool suspend & resume works also
[03:04] <mdz> apokryphos: if you're in the live CD right now, /var/log/casper/syslog is even better
[03:04] <Riddell> amu-: on ppc?
[03:04] <amu> Riddell: yep
[03:04] <Riddell> cool
[03:05] <Riddell> hmm well 1.5 hours to go with this live CD, doesn't seem like it's worth my while
[03:05] <Riddell> will havbe to rsync in advance next time
[03:05] <apokryphos> mdz: ok; will try to find a way to transfer it.
[03:05] <Riddell> is there an annoncement for the release candidate mdz?
[03:05] <Riddell> a draft one
[03:06] <Kamion> it's a good idea to try to stay up to date with the CD images, rsync-wise - it's easy to get behind and then you basically end up starting from scratch again
[03:06] <Kamion> day-to-day it isn't too bad
[03:07] <mdz> Riddell: I think mako wrote one
[03:08] <mdz> Riddell: yes, definitely a good idea to rsync the day before so that you can get the new stuff quickly
[03:09] <haggai-livecd> konversation works on live cd
[03:09] <Riddell> haggai: a good sign :)
[03:11] <Riddell> mdz: do you expect to announce it tonight?
[03:12] <mdz> Riddell: it's possible, but I expect we'll wait until tomorrow, especially if you guys need more time
[03:14] <apokryphos> Actually have no real way of transfering it from that computer (laptop with no floppy drive -- usb key nowhere to be seen).
[03:14] <apokryphos>  In kcontrol when enabling the connection, it lights up green as though enabled, and within a second is deactivated
[03:14] <haggai> apokryphos: that's probably a knetworkconf problem
[03:15] <mdz> apokryphos: can you configure it from the command line with ifconfig or dhclient3?
[03:16] <apokryphos> mdz: Don't really know how ;-). Beena long time since I had ot use them
[03:17] <haggai> apokryphos: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.x
[03:18] <haggai> apokryphos: route add default gw 192.168.your.gateway
[03:18] <mdz> "sudo dhclient3 eth0" should do the trick
[03:18] <haggai> oh right you were using dhcp
[03:21] <apok> success!
[03:21] <mdz> apok: /var/log/casper/syslog please :-)
[03:21] <apok> sure; one sec.
[03:21] <apok> it's binary, right? .gz
[03:23] <apok> http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/syslog.gz
[03:24] <Kamion> Mar 30 00:42:57 dhclient: DHCPNAK from <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:25] <Kamion> looks like the server's refusing you a lease
[03:25] <Riddell> mdz: someone on #kubuntu just reported sound working fine on amd64
[03:27] <mdz> Riddell: I've pinged mako regarding the release announcement; no answer yet
[03:28] <apokryphos> Kamion: what kind of reasons would there be for that? Router settings?
[03:29] <Kamion> apokryphos: no idea, TBH ...
[03:30] <amu> ex. no free lease left, your mac-adress changed or it's wrong defined
[03:32] <haggai> Kamion: if after rebooting you do not put the cd back in, it goes off and downloads everything off the internet.  Why does it not ask for the cd first?
[03:33] <Kamion> haggai: what does it download?
[03:33] <haggai> Kamion: seemed to be kubuntu-desktop and deps
[03:34] <Kamion> and basically, Mark told me to do it that way :)
[03:34] <Kamion> erm, that's a bug
[03:34] <Kamion> did you do a server install?
[03:34] <haggai> no, plain install
[03:34] <haggai> hmm, but that was on an earlier cd that I noticed that
[03:35] <Riddell> haggai: doesn't it copy all the .debs to the hard disk during install?
[03:35] <haggai> yes I did see it copying debs this time around
[03:35] <haggai> and I didn't wait to see if it worked.  I'll try another install once this one is done
[03:36] <haggai> I just wasn't sure what the behaviour was supposed to be
[03:36] <Kamion> haggai: depends on how old, really. Before 11 March, archive-copier didn't work properly for Kubuntu
[03:36] <haggai> it was 25 March
[03:36] <haggai> the image
[03:37] <Kamion> the intended behaviour is that it should not retrieve anything from the CD, and the only thing it should download from the net is language-support-*, and that only after asking you if it's allowed to
[03:37] <haggai> but maybe it didn't really download everything.  I'll retry once I'm done
[03:37] <haggai> it didn't ask me if I was allowed to download, that's for sure
[03:37] <Kamion> it won't always
[03:38] <Kamion> that only happens for non-English installs (because language-support-en is on the CD)
[03:38] <haggai> k
[03:38] <haggai> hmm
[03:39] <haggai> Updating fontconfig cache...
[03:39] <haggai> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
[03:39] <haggai> ah #7649
[03:54] <haggai> hmm mounting my usb stick isn't working
[03:56] <haggai> uuh pmount isn't installed
[03:57] <Kamion> Ubuntu gets pmount due to gnome-volume-manager
[03:57] <haggai> I thought pmount had been added to the kubuntu seeds
[03:57] <Kamion> you want it, seed it :)
[03:57] <haggai> I can't only amu has the super powers
[03:57] <Kamion> nope ...
[03:57] <Kamion> you want me to do it?
[03:57] <Kamion> desktop?
[03:57] <haggai> yes please
[03:58] <Kamion> does anything in KDE know how to use pmount automatically?
[03:58] <Kamion> like g-v-m?
[03:59] <haggai> yes it does it automatically
[03:59] <haggai> media:/ knows about it
[03:59] <Kamion> but no dependency?
[03:59] <haggai> so I connect my usb stick, an icon pops up, I click on it and it is mounted
[04:00] <Kamion> ah, it's a recommends
[04:00] <haggai> ah
[04:02] <Kamion> haggai: done, seeds updated, germinate-output updating
[04:02] <haggai> Kamion: thanks
[04:03] <Kamion> d'oh, clashed with my own cron job
[04:03] <Kamion> that explains the weird-shit germinate errors
[04:14] <Riddell> Kamion: it's a recommend not a dependency because it can fall back on fstab
[04:14] <Riddell> and if you depend on pmount you have to depend on hal which breaks buildds
[04:15] <Kamion> ok; you might want to make sure any only-recommended packages you know about are seeded
[04:15] <Kamion> I'm uploading kubuntu-meta now
[04:15] <Riddell> thanks
[04:17] <elmo> sssssssssssssssssssssst
[04:18] <elmo> Unpacking kdepim-dev (from .../kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb) ...
[04:18] <elmo> dpkg: error processing /home/buildd/build-hoary/chroot-hoary/var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4
[04:18] <elmo> .0-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[04:18] <elmo>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libegroupwarewizard.la', which is also in package kdepim-wizards
[04:18] <elmo> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[04:18] <elmo> kdesdk is freaking CURSED
[04:18] <elmo> can somone please fix kdepim-dev's Replaces/Conflicts?
[04:18] <elmo> haggai/riddel/amu: ^---
[04:18] <haggai> eek :(
[04:21] <Riddell> haggai: want me to do it or do you want it?
[04:22] <haggai> Riddell: how fit are you?  I need some sleep
[04:22] <Riddell> haggai: I'll give it a shot
[04:22] <haggai> Riddell: ok thanks
[04:26] <haggai> Riddell: the files are duplicated in kdepim-dev.install and kdepim-wizards.install
[04:27] <Riddell> yep, presumably should be in kdepim-wizards.install
[04:28] <haggai> yes I think so, and a kdepim-wizards Replaces: kdepim-dev (<< 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu8)
[04:28] <haggai> ok I'm off to bed goodnight all
[04:29] <mdz> night haggai
[04:58] <apokryphos> Freeze period now, eh? I guess Kynaptic is going to be default. :P
[05:10] <Riddell> morning ttf_
[06:11] <Riddell> kdepim uploaded (twice)
[06:11] <Riddell> amarok uploaded
[06:27] <mdz> how is kdesdk doing?
[06:28] <lamont> dpkg: error processing /srv/royal.buildd/home/buildd/build-hoary/chroot-hoary/var/cache/apt/archives/kdepim-dev_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu7_powerpc.deb (--unpack):
[06:28] <lamont>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libegroupwarewizard.la', which is also in package kdepim-wizards
[06:28] <lamont> that's from the ppc kdesdk log
[06:29] <mdz> that's what Riddell uploaded kdepim to fix
[06:30] <mdz> Accepted kdepim 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu9 (source)
[06:30] <lamont> yeah - and that's either building, or needs build everywhere
[07:05] <lamont> Riddell: cp -f /usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4 ./admin/libtool.m4.in
[07:05] <lamont> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/libtool/libtool.m4': No such file or directory
[07:05] <lamont> amarok
[07:05] <lamont> (i386)
[08:02] <mdz> Riddell: what was the reason for resyncing amarok so close to the release?
[09:08] <Beineri> Progress? :-)  kdesdk_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5_20050330-0708-powerpc-successful
[09:23] <lamont> haggai: you around?
[12:10] <haggai> moin
[12:10] <haggai> lamont: back
[12:37] <Beineri> after what time does a failed build (kdesdk) try it again?
[12:58] <haggai> not sure, I think it might depend on the buildd load
[12:59] <haggai> best thing is to ask lamont to requeue
[01:00] <haggai> thanks for noticing
[02:01] <Beineri> ttf: why did you mess up KubuntuKDEStatus?
[02:12] <Beineri> ttf: kdesdk is done (now, your nitpick change made it only correct for 30min)
[02:12] <Beineri> ttf: why did you change kdevelop3 to kdevelop?
[02:12] <Beineri> ttf: why did you readd "no crypto" to kdepim?
[02:13] <Beineri> ttf: why did you readd "purge Gimp etc. from seeds"?
[02:13] <elmo> Riddell: dude, your amarok upload FTBFS
[02:19] <Riddell> fooey
[02:24] <elmo> FWIW, I'm updating the chroot on novo and happy to install any build-dep etc. on there you need, if it helps
[02:33] <haggai> elmo: could you install screen?
[02:36] <ttf> Beineri: 1) I know that kdesdk is in the progress of being uploaded it was there as source, but not as a package 2) missing the 3 in kdevelop was a typo. just found out that I edited a cached wiki page - I didn't see the last changes, that's why I the "purge Gimp.." stuff has been put back.  will set things proper again
[02:37] <elmo> haggai: installed in base
[02:37] <haggai> elmo: cheers
[03:29] <lamont> haggai: amarok_2:1.2.3-1ubuntu1 and kdesdk_4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5 given back...
[03:31] <elmo> noooooooooooooooooooo
[03:31] <elmo> lamont: version of amarok is obsolete
[03:32] <elmo> and I gave kdesdk back already
[03:32] <lamont> how recenlyt on kdesdk?
[03:33] <elmo> 2-3 hours ago
[03:33] <elmo> that's less important, it'll just double build and reject
[03:33] <lamont> actually, if it's already uploaded, it'll just reject the mail
[03:33] <lamont> s/reject/error-out handling/
[03:33] <lamont> I see no builds currently in progress, so should be OK
[03:34] <lamont> yeah - is installed everywhere, so I just generated some email was all
[06:21] <mdz> do we have a kubuntu release candidate?
[06:22] <Riddell> mdz: everyone seemed happy with the ones from last night
[06:22] <haggai> yup, we have several known problems but nothing really serious
[06:23] <mdz> ok, great
[06:31] <Beineri> "kde" is missing dependencies on kdeaccessiblity, kdesdk and kdevelop3
[06:32] <Beineri> and kdepim-doc-html gives an installation error
[06:34] <Riddell> haggai: can you list the known problems at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuReleaseCandidateKnownProblems
[06:35] <haggai> Riddell: I'd rather we had bug reports
[06:35] <haggai> Riddell: and there are bug reports open for the problems I am aware of
[06:35] <haggai> Riddell: or are you thinking of a user documentation thing?
[06:36] <Riddell> haggai: well it's kind of release notes for people to quickly check, might be an idea to link to the bugzilla reports there
[06:36] <haggai> oh, and what about translations?  There are masses of kde-i18n updates in CVS KDE_3_4_BRANCH - not sure if we should take them
[06:36] <haggai> Riddell: ok I agree with you on that
[06:37] <Riddell> haggai: yes we should definatly patch kde-i18n against branch
[06:37] <haggai> Riddell: the patch is massive
[06:37] <Beineri> none known problems? :-)  Me at least had still the lilac strips on blue background with today's live-cd
[06:37] <haggai> http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates/
[06:37] <haggai> http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates/01_kde-i18n_branch_2005-03-29.diff.diffstat
[06:38] <Riddell> Beineri: well I havn't been able to try the CDs yet so none known to me :)
[06:38] <Riddell> I'll fill it out with links to bugzilla
[06:40] <haggai> Riddell: I generated patches and changelogs for each module at http://kubuntu.org/~halls/updates
[06:40] <Beineri> Riddell: right click K menu->"Menu Editor" still not works, OOo is missing icons and file dialog, ...
[06:41] <haggai> Beineri: I don't think I can do the icons.  It needs a big reorganisation of the package - not even oo1/debian has it
[06:41] <Beineri> haggai: and KDE file dialog?
[06:41] <haggai> Beineri: depends on what the ubuntu release managers say - it is quite a big change to enable it by default since it tickles a lot of new code
[06:42] <Riddell> I wonder if there's a good reason kdeaccessiblity, kdesdk and kdevelop3 are missing from meta-kde, can't see any
[06:42] <Beineri> haggai: iirc SUSE copies/swaps the icon set around (via script?) when starting OOo under KDE
[06:42] <Riddell> pesky .dhelp on kdepim-doc-html there, really should get to the bottom of that
[06:43] <Beineri> Riddell: kde 3.2 had no kdeaccessibility, or? :-)
[06:43] <haggai> Beineri: I know but like I said it is a very intrusive change
[06:43] <Riddell> Beineri: yep, and looks like kdesdk was removed at some point when it happened not to build, and I guess kdevelop3 has never been added
[06:44] <Riddell> I'll add those now and do a quick fix on kdepim-doc-html
[06:49] <Kamion> mdz: ok, so exactly which version is the Kubuntu preview?
[06:49] <Beineri> dumb question :-): once Hoary is released its seeds are frozen (for additions), or?
[06:49] <Kamion> this morning's daily build, or the manual one from last night?
[06:49] <Kamion> Beineri: frozen by definition
[06:50] <mdz> Kamion: the manual one; I didn't realize the daily build wasn't disabled
[06:50] <Beineri> So there is no way to add something to main/supported during hoary life-time?
[06:50] <Kamion> mdz: ok, so that's kubuntu/daily/20050330 and kubuntu/daily-live/20050330
[06:50] <Kamion> Beineri: that's why we have more releases after hoary
[06:51] <Beineri> Kamion: daily-live/20050330.1/ is newer, or?
[06:51] <Beineri> and daily/20050330.1/
[06:51] <mdz> Kamion: 9cf3c1252ddafd269c459c5759d07a7d  hoary-live-amd64.iso
[06:51] <mdz> the one with that in it
[06:52] <Kamion> Beineri: yes I know they're newer, see my question to mdz and mdz's answer
[06:53] <Kamion> Beineri: 20050330.1 is "this morning's daily build"
[06:56] <mdz> Beineri: is that 20050330 or 20050330.1?
[06:57] <Beineri> that's 20050330/   - but I can test 30.1 very fast (rsync :-)
[06:57] <mdz> no, 20050330 is the one that the rest of us tested
[06:57] <mdz> so that's good
[07:04] <elmo> REJECT
[07:04] <elmo> Rejected: Unknown distribution `unstable'.
[07:05] <elmo> meta-kde.. someone
[07:05] <Riddell> oops, I havn't done that in a while
[07:09] <Beineri> Riddell: <nitpick> kvim recreated the Editor/ category in kmenu
[07:11] <Riddell> hmm, it's an evil old applnk .desktop file
[07:12] <Beineri> kvim is a dependency of vimpart kdeaddons kde
[07:44] <Kamion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/
[07:55] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-release-candidate.php
[08:06] <Riddell> amu_, haggai: that good for an announcement?
[08:06] <motaboy> Hi all!
[08:07] <haggai> Riddell: looks good
[08:07] <haggai> hey motaboy
[08:07] <motaboy> hi haggai
[08:08] <haggai> motaboy: I forgot to tell you, the bluetooth packages sometimes use kedit, which isn't installed on kubuntu
[08:10] <motaboy> haggai: you're right there are some easy template script for the device scanner that calls kedit
[08:10] <motaboy> haggai: I'll patch them to use kwrite or kate
[08:11] <Riddell> there should be some way to get it to just use the default program assigned to text files
[08:28] <mdz> would one of you like to do the honors on #kubuntu and kubuntu.org?
[08:29] <motaboy> Riddell: using kfmclient exec $FILENAME the default editor is used :D
[08:29] <motaboy> Riddell: or better the default program for that mime type
[08:31] <Riddell> mdz: is there a URL for the ubuntu release candidate announcement?
[08:32] <Riddell> motaboy: kfmclient exec seems sensible to me
[08:32] <mdz> Riddell: should appear at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/thread.html any minute
[08:48] <amu> Kamion: is it possible to change the kubuntu bootscreen from, This is the Ubuntu LiveCD to this is the Kubuntu LiveCD ?
[08:50] <Kamion> amu: yeah, should be possible, I've TODOed that for tomorrow
[08:54] <mdz> Riddell: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000022.html
[08:54] <mdz> amu: just don't ask me to change "Starting Ubuntu..."
[08:54] <mdz> unless there is a trivial way to test whether we are booting from a kubuntu CD or an ubuntu CD
[08:55] <Kamion> or for that matter the branded strings in the installer
[08:56] <Kamion> some day we'll have to care about those, but I'm trying to put that day off as far as possible
[09:03] <amu> mdz: hehe :)
[09:06] <Beineri> Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/ spells GNOME wrong and links to the preview CDs
[09:23] <Riddell> Beineri: CD link fixed thanks.  I prefer the Minguel was of capitalising Gnome
[09:23] <Riddell> s/was/way/
[09:36] <mdz> Riddell: are you going to do an announcement to the KDE news feed again?
[09:36] <mdz> the kubuntu RC torrents are fairly quiet so far ;-)
[09:38] <Beineri> Minguel?
[09:40] <Beineri> http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/software.html#gnome ? He writes it GNOME.
[09:42] <Beineri> Riddell: appsy, fm?
[10:24] <motaboy> Riddell: so is ok for you if I change it to a call to kfmclient exec ?
[10:35] <motaboy> Ehm another idea. I'd like to start packaging stuffs for koffice 1.4, as it would have quite new stuffs and finally a very good krita. Is there anyone other that is just doing this?
[10:40] <Riddell> mdz: I don't think it's worthy of a kde dot news story, I've sent it to kde-announce and updated kde-apps and freshmeat
[10:41] <mdz> Riddell: ok
[10:41] <mdz> Riddell: next week, then ;-)
[10:41] <Riddell> motaboy: if kfmclient works then yes :)
[10:41] <motaboy> Riddell: Ok, I think I'll fix this in kde cvs :)
[10:41] <Riddell> mdz: yep, next week
[10:42] <Riddell> motaboy: koffice 1.4 would be great, ask on Pkg-kde-talk if anyone from debian is working on it
[10:43] <motaboy> Riddell: sorry for the ignorance, what/where's Pkg-kde-talk? As developer I'm subscribed to kde-packager, is it the same?
[10:44] <Riddell> motaboy: it's the mailing list used by the debian packagers http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-talk
[10:45] <motaboy> Riddell: oh thanks.
[10:47] <Riddell> April 22, 2005 KOffice 1.4 beta 1.  Would be very cool if we could have packages by then
[10:48] <Riddell> Beineri: I can't find it just now but I'm sure I've seen a something (gnome foundation candidate proposal) where he says he wants to campaign on changing GNOME to Gnome
[10:54] <motaboy> Riddell: I'm updating it from CVS and begin packaging it.
[10:56] <motaboy> BTW I think that there's an important patch that should be applied to QT. It will fix that hated hangs in konqueror when you make a selection
[10:58] <motaboy> We applied it in gentoo some months ago without any problem.
[10:58] <motaboy> what do you think? Do you already talked about this issue?
[11:48] <Beineri> Nobody is reading the Ubuntu announcement till the paragraph which mentions Kubuntu ;-|... http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10156
[11:51] <motaboy> Night all!


[10:45] <santa_> gcc 5 uploaded to unstable https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-5/news/20150731T094053Z.html
[10:45] <santa_> ~ final judgement starts, we must delay it
[11:03] <doko> santa_, Riddell: new packages are now in silo 39, with a lot of renamed library packages
[11:08] <santa_> doko: thank you, gcc 5 is going to be available in ubuntu unstable today as scheduled, right?
[11:09] <doko> trying ...
[11:49] <santa_> off for a while, brb
[11:59] <soee_> Riddell: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103317747728601767381/posts/8Ne3cbXF6qg?cfem=1
[13:06] <santa_> ScottK: list of possible debian's qt ftbfs'es: https://paste.kde.org/pjai4grix
[13:21] <soee_> from g+: http://cdn.overclock.net/d/d9/d9fcbaaa_QP5DBAz.jpeg
[13:53] <ScottK> santa_: Did anyone work out fixes for those?
[13:58] <santa_> if I'm not mistaken debian and ubuntu aren't sharing symbols files for Qt
[13:59] <santa_> ScottK: so, replying to your question: for debian -> nope afaik; for ubuntu -> I don't know, better check with those canonical fellows
[14:00] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[14:00] <ScottK> mitya57: Have you looked into Qt5/gcc5?
[14:01] <santa_> ScottK: oh, and just a small thing: qtenginio has last upload to unstable not available in git master, maybe you want to poke the debian's person in charge
[14:01] <ScottK> K.
[14:10] <ScottK> santa_: pushed.
[14:21] <santa_> ScottK: thank you, I will rebuild that one
[14:44] <santa_> ScottK: ok, qtenginio master does build so you can remove it from the list
[14:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:33]  * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/07/31/kubuntu-paddleboard-club/
[15:36] <lordievader> Hehe, the movie at the end :D
[15:42] <genii> Riddell: Is this where my donation money goes? ;)
[15:42] <sgclark> lol
[15:42] <lordievader> Looks liek you guys had a good time ;)
[15:42] <Riddell> genii: no no, that's all self funded :)
[15:42] <lordievader> like*
[15:42] <genii> Ah, carry on then!
[15:43] <soee_> oh if you do surfing etc. maybe someon is diving also ?
[17:00] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: app-install-data
[17:02] <doko> Riddell, santa_ : GCC 5 in proposed, have fun
[17:02] <Riddell> doko: awooga!
[17:02] <Riddell> doko: will you copy over stuff from your PPA like qt?
[17:03] <doko> Riddell, it already is
[17:03] <doko> if you have new transitions, please document them in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GCC5
[17:07] <mitya57> ScottK, it builds, but some symbols need to be removed (they are already marked as optional)
[17:08] <mitya57> no transition needed because Qt does not use STL in public API/ABI
[17:09] <mitya57> I'll probably do the symbols removal for qtbase right now (in experimental branch)
[17:17] <ScottK> K.  Thanks.
[17:19] <doko> mitya57, ScottK : you should do the double-conversion library transition first, and I think libproxy, and maybe wait until the new icu is uploaded
[17:19] <ScottK> K.
[17:22] <mitya57> doko, ok. I'm not planning of uploading anything to Ubuntu, but I'll wait before doing it in Debian.
[17:24] <lisandro> ScottK: here
[17:24] <ScottK> Welcome lisandro.
[17:24] <lisandro> _o/
[17:25] <lisandro> I don't know what was already discussed wrt qt5 and gcc5, but so far I could only find symbols changes in qtbase (haven't checked tthe rest yet)
[17:26] <lisandro> mitya57, doko: I'm already working on the symbols stuff on Debian, at least to have things moving
[17:26] <doko> you should do the double-conversion library transition first, and I think libproxy, and maybe wait until the new icu is uploaded
[17:27] <doko> or prepare these first.
[17:27] <lisandro> apart that they need to be rebuilt with gcc5, is there anything else missing?
[17:28] <lisandro> because they should not bring symbols changes for us except they are breaking API
[17:28] <mitya57> Should *we* do the double-conversion library transition in Debian? We are not maintaining it…
[17:28] <doko> yes followup library transitions
[17:28] <doko> let me file a bug, I didn't yet
[17:29] <lisandro> well, if it's just waiting for the libs to be rebuilt then it's just a mteer of following the transition
[17:29] <lisandro> *matter
[17:29] <lisandro> and keeping symbols up to date
[17:30] <lisandro> mitya57: I've got some vtables dissapearing from qtxmlsomething
[17:30] <lisandro> but I *think* those are safe
[17:30] <doko> for every library where  new cxx11 appear, you should do a library transition
[17:30] <mitya57> qtxmlpatterns?
[17:30] <doko> I see, I need to better explain that ...
[17:31] <lisandro> from that part of qtbase, just a minute
[17:32] <santa_> lisandro: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/07/31/#kubuntu-devel.html
[17:32] <lisandro> doko: it's just a matter of waiting to get all rdeps rebuilt until we push qt, that's all
[17:32] <lisandro> except again if somthing is breaking api
[17:32] <doko> abi, not api
[17:32] <doko> the api stays the same
[17:33] <doko> read one of the bugs at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:34]  * lisandro reads
[17:35] <lisandro> doko: ahhh, then normal transition stuff. We just need to wait until all the pieces are put together
[17:35] <lisandro> Qt exported symbols will not change if rdeps change abi
[17:35] <doko> if everybody waits, then this will take a year ...
[17:36] <lisandro> there is no other way around I'm afraid
[17:36] <lisandro> that's why the transition is handled in levels
[17:37] <lisandro> well, it's either that or binNMUing packages a lot of times
[17:37] <lisandro> at the end it's faster to simply wait
[17:37] <doko> if you think, fine
[17:38] <lisandro> sure thing, but don't worry, the RT will prompltly mark us if an upload is needed
[17:39] <doko> the release team is having a vacation right now
[17:40] <lisandro> then I'll do my best to keep an eye on the transition as a whole too
[18:28] <shadeslayer> mhall119: so coming to ubucon berlin?
[18:40] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: happy with the patch ?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> idk, maybe
[18:42] <ahoneybun> lol
[18:42] <shadeslayer> perhaps check why it was ma: same
[18:42] <shadeslayer> anyway, have to go
[18:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: #ubuntu-bugs
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugs
[18:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: see bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[18:56] <soee> someone seen sitter lately ?
[18:58] <ahoneybun> he left I think wedsday
[19:00] <soee> is there someone else who can add slack integratin to kubuntu-ci (jenkins) >
[19:01] <ovidiu-florin> soee: we still haven't decided if we will use slack, since it's NOT free software
[19:01] <ovidiu-florin> even if it can be integrated with all our tools
[19:01] <ovidiu-florin> it's NOT free software
[19:02] <soee> ovidiu-florin: sure thing, i just wanted to test allthe possible and easy to do options :)
[19:03] <ahoneybun> not that many people use slack tbh (at least in here
[19:03] <ahoneybun> I do like the mobile app over any irc app that I know of
[19:05] <soee> well i didn't knot slack either till the Neos devs started to use is so as TYPO3 CMS community
[19:05] <soee> and i just love it :)
[19:05] <soee> i see elementary os devs use it
[19:06] <valorie> I would like to see IRC <> Slack integration before we dismiss it
[19:06] <soee> i would like to know what is teh potential risk using such "non free" software
[19:06] <soee> is is tgainst our policy ?
[19:06] <valorie> I don't like using non-free software, but all of us use lots of it on our smartphones
[19:06] <sgclark> it makes folks grumpy!
[19:06] <valorie> all the time
[19:08] <soee> well than i think now its more not if it is good/better than irc etc. but rather that it is not open sourced right ? :)
[19:14] <soee> valorie: when it comes to bots we can try this: https://github.com/ekmartin/slack-irc
[19:21] <soee> i'd liek to know also Riddell opinion
[19:28] <Riddell> what what?
[19:31] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: waht do you think of us adopting slack?
[19:31] <soee> Riddell: what do you think about testing slack as a communication tool for Kubuntu team
[19:31] <Riddell> soee: it's a proprietary tool so sounds like a bad idea
[19:40] <clivejo> Riddell: calligra built OK !!
[19:40] <Riddell> clivejo: awooga :)
[19:40] <Riddell> clivejo: calligra-l10n needs doing if you fancy another task :)
[19:40] <clivejo> have you used it?
[19:41] <Riddell> calligra? I've no updated yet
[19:41] <clivejo> why does calligra need l10n?
[19:42] <clivejo> everyone speaks english!
[19:44] <ovidiu-florin> that's a joke, right?
[19:46] <clivejo> just a bit of craic Ovidiu
[19:47] <yofel> FWIW, compared to calligra, -l10n is childs play :P
[19:48] <clivejo> not if you havent a clue!
[19:48] <yofel> there was some script inside it that did most of the job
[19:48] <yofel> IIRC
[19:51]  * clivejo waits on ahoneybunto publish the "Kubuntu Packaging Bible"
[19:51] <yofel> if he ever does, that will indeed be one huge book...
[19:51] <Riddell> there's a script in kubuntu-automation that I tend to use for calligra-l10n
[19:52] <clivejo> got a link?
[19:54] <yofel> clivejo: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[19:55] <ahoneybun> clivejo: yofel it would be a best selller
[19:56] <clivejo> oh dear, this code is copyright
[19:56] <clivejo> #Copyright Jonathan Riddell 2013
[19:57] <valorie> soee: without the bot it is rather impossible to test it
[19:59] <clivejo> ahoneybun: make an audio version I can learn in my sleep
[20:10] <Riddell> clivejo: I licence it though don't I?
[20:11] <Riddell> calligra-l10n-package is the one, let me know if you have problems
[20:11] <Riddell> calligra-l10n is a weird package with multiple .orig tars for the source which is rare
[20:14] <clivejo> I need to understand what is going on
[20:15] <clivejo> "depot.kde.org:/home/ftpubuntu/%s/calligra-%s/calligra-l10n/*tar*" % (stability, version)
[20:16] <clivejo> cant I just use the local tarbal on my machine?
[20:16] <yofel> the local 20 tarballs?
[20:17] <yofel> I don't think that's supported
[20:17] <clivejo> Im confused
[20:17] <yofel> oh, you need access to depot for that script :/
[20:18] <clivejo> and what is depot?
[20:19] <yofel> a kde server where the tarballs are published before release
[20:20] <yofel> you can try the "upstream2orig" script inside calligra-l10n, that uses local files.
[20:20] <yofel> You can fetch the tarballs from download.kde.org for that
[20:22] <soee> test
[20:22] <soee> valorie: ping
 hi slack-irc
[20:26] <soee> ok sorry for the spam - testing tis bot :)
[20:29] <soee> this bot will not send all messages to #development hannel on slack
[20:29] <soee> *now
 does it work both ways?
[20:35] <soee> clivejo: yes, bot sends your message from slack to this irc channel
[20:36] <clivejo> I see
 soee++, now we can actually try this in a useful way :)
 i can also configure other channels like #kubuntu to log to #help slack channel for example, but this is not needed atm. i think
[20:39] <sgclark> !testers
[20:40] <sgclark> Plasma 5.3.2 vivid needs testing
[20:40] <soee> yay! :)
[20:40] <sgclark> neat
 Funny enough, here on the train slack's websocket connection is more stable than quassel's..
[20:46] <yofel> that slack-bot pings me every time I say something on slack is annoying though :/
[20:48] <yofel> otoh, you can answer pings on slack on irc..
 Hmm that could get bothersome
[20:51] <clivejo> soee: you mentioned there was an app for slack?
[20:51]  * yofel is just installing that
[20:51] <yofel> there's also https://github.com/raelgc/scudcloud if you want something for the desktop
[20:52] <yofel> but that's not much different from just using the webapp
[20:52] <clivejo> I dont like leaving my computer on at night, will this allow me to stay logged in?
 clivejo: https://slack.com/apps
[20:53] <soee> clivejo: but all slack channels history you can see next day
[20:53] <soee> it will show you howmany unread messages you heve there
[20:53] <soee> no need for app etc.
 That could be useful
[20:56] <valorie> soee: sorry was either offline or in other stuff
[20:56] <valorie> here now
[20:56] <valorie> until this whisky in my glass is gone
[20:57] <ScottK> Considering slack isn't free software, I don't see the point.
[20:57] <clivejo> mmmm whiskey
[20:58] <valorie> ScottK: just a test, no worries
 Cant you add #kubuntu-ci to slack like you did #kubuntu-devel?
[20:58] <valorie> and only for those who need to access IRC on their phones sometimes, and can't use quasseldroid etc.
[20:58] <ScottK> There are other IRC clients.
[20:59] <clivejo> the history feature is nice
[20:59] <valorie> yes
[20:59] <valorie> no argument
[20:59] <ScottK> Connectbot is pretty good.
[20:59] <valorie> since soee made a group, I thought it worthwhile to *test*
[20:59] <valorie> if people refuse to use it, we won't use it
[21:00] <clivejo> it can share media too?
[21:00] <valorie> unsure
[21:00] <valorie> you are in charge of it soee
[21:00] <valorie> !
[21:03] <soee> clivejo: media ?
[21:03] <clivejo> pdf, pics, audio etc
[21:04] <soee> slack - yes
[21:05]  * valorie logs off, turns off computer, goes to bed!
[21:05] <valorie> thank you, soee
[21:06] <valorie> niters all
[21:07] <clivejo> good night valorie
[21:09] <ScottK> soee: Are you in charge of this slack bot?
[21:09] <ScottK> I've read the terms of service for slack and I'm not at all comfortable with this IRC channel being copied to slack.
[21:10] <ScottK> Someone can ping me when it's turned off and I'll rejoin.  I have no intention of being bound by their TOS and it's not at all clear to me that relaying my IRC onto slack doesn't trigger that.
[21:10] <soee> ScottK: yes i just started it for a tets
[21:15] <sgclark> heh irc bit is the only feature I find useful.
[21:16] <yofel> soee: can you turn the bot off please? we need Scott more than slack
[21:16] <soee> sure :)
[21:20] <soee> ok


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[20:31] <Slown> Hello
[20:34] <fossfreedom> Slown, o/
[20:34] <Slown> How are you David ?
[20:35] <fossfreedom> fine thanks - and you?
[20:35] <Slown> Nice to hear from you again
[20:35] <Slown> it's has been a while since my last visit
[20:35] <Slown> good, thanks
[20:35] <Slown> Nice job on the latest version
[20:35] <Slown> it's really smooth and stable
[20:36] <Slown> I have just an issue if you can help me
[20:36] <fossfreedom> cheers.  Always nice to get feedback
[20:36] <Slown> I have an 15.6" display with 1920x1080p resolution
[20:36] <Slown> it's really small, the text I mean
[20:37] <Slown> Why Hidpi is not supported yet ?
[20:38] <fossfreedom> Personally - I don't have such equipment to test against.  So can only comment from feedback from others.
[20:39] <fossfreedom> If you see in Displays the scaling options - then use them.
[20:39] <Slown> it's either 100% or 200%
[20:39] <Slown> I just increase the text scaling
[20:39] <Slown> to 125%
[20:40] <Slown> It's ok now for the gnome applications
[20:40] <Slown> but with other applications it's still tricky
[20:40] <Slown> with firefox for example, I add a fix too
[20:40] <fossfreedom> mutter doesnt support fractional scaling - so that's what you are limited to 1x or 2x
[20:41] <Slown> yeah that's really bad
[20:41] <Slown> there was a trick last I check
[20:41] <Slown> with the fractional scaling
[20:41] <Slown> they wrote about it on omg ubuntu blog
[20:42] <Slown> I think it's supported only with wayland
[20:42] <Slown> and not xorg
[20:42] <fossfreedom> correct
[20:42] <Slown> Is there any plan to fixt that ?
[20:42] <Slown> I mean in the next version of gnome ?
[20:43] <fossfreedom> I'm not aware of plans by GNOME in this area
[20:43] <Slown> that's really a shame btw
[20:43] <Slown> Why I can't have a correct scale If I'm using a laptop with and HD resolution
[20:43] <Slown> or 4K
[20:44] <fossfreedom> That's really a question for a GNOME IRC channel
[20:45] <Slown> yeah that's right, you have nothing to do about it
[20:45] <Slown> Is there any news about the eleven version of budgie ?
[20:46] <Slown> I heard that they are going to switch to qt5
[20:47] <fossfreedom> Upstream are gearing up for a budgie 10.5 release.  No news about v11 - and the use of QT is being questioned.  As I understood, unlikely, but no firm decisions
[20:48] <Slown> that's good, I prefer gtk, never been a fan of KDE
[20:50] <Slown> I'm using ubuntu on my laptop btw, it's perfect
[20:50] <Slown> just a suggestion if I can ?
[20:51] <fossfreedom> ?
[20:52] <Slown> the software center
[20:53] <Slown> I tested the mate version last week and the way they put their version was amazing
[20:53] <Slown> I don't know if you tried it
[20:53] <fossfreedom> you mean boutique?
[20:54] <Slown> where you can download packages
[20:54] <Slown> it's called boutique on mate, that's right
[20:54] <Slown> I liked the way they put it
[20:54] <Slown> I don't know if you share my opinion
[20:55] <Slown> but it's really easy to find what you looking for
[20:55] <fossfreedom> It's something that we are interested in.  It was a while ago since I last looked at it.  I know there was some consideration to make it more distro agnostic but havent caught up lately with progress (if any) in this area.
[20:57] <Slown> just a suggestion :)
[21:31] <Slown> the 16.04 version is maintained, waw
[21:32] <Slown> that's great :D
[21:32] <fossfreedom> 16.04?  you mean budgie-remix?
[21:33] <Slown> yes, that's the first version I installed
[21:33] <Slown> I like the theme on this one, really great
[21:33] <Slown> why did you drop the arc theme btw ?
[21:33] <Slown> the best theme imho
[21:33] <fossfreedom> k - as a project we ended support for budgie-remix yesterday
[21:34] <fossfreedom> arc-theme still ships in 18.04
[21:34] <Slown> what's the actual theme btw David ?
[21:34] <Slown> Is it your creation ?
[21:35] <Slown> nice job on the icons
[21:35] <fossfreedom> Pocillo is the default - arc-theme is installed if users want to switch
[21:35] <fossfreedom> Yes - I created Pocillo
[21:36] <Slown> the tilix terminal, not my cup of coffee
[21:36] <Slown> I prefer the older one
[21:36] <Slown> It was gnome terminal, right ?
[21:36] <fossfreedom> easy enough to switch - yes - gnome-terminal
[21:37] <Slown> btw, are you planning a poll to choose default applications
[21:37] <Slown> ?
[21:38] <fossfreedom> individual apps can be polled - polls are run via our discourse support site
[21:48] <Slown> David, you're going to  bring Firefox back ?
[21:48] <Slown> that's a great news
[21:51] <fossfreedom> yep - community decision to reverse their previous decision
[21:55] <Slown> and for the terminal ?
[21:58] <fossfreedom> tilix was a change in 17.10 - so no plans to repoll this
[22:44] <Slown> I have to go
[22:44] <Slown> see you soon
[22:44] <Slown> bye !


[08:02] <diplo> Morning all
[08:07] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:34] <CoderEurope> OTA15 Released ! https://redd.it/5srbvq        |          https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-15
[09:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Kite Flying Day! 😃
[09:18] <SuperMatt> Feels like a strange time of year for kite flying
[09:18] <SuperMatt> Not particularly windy, just cold
[09:20] <PercySnr> I don't know, a massive advertising hording blow off the side of the building yesterday.
[09:21] <PercySnr> *blew
[09:23] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA-g8YYPKVo has to be this
[09:24] <SuperMatt> Maybe it's just not windy where I am
[09:24] <JamesTait> Not especially windy here now, just very dull and grey.
[09:25] <JamesTait> It was lovely yesterday. Bright and sunny. Proper spring day.
[09:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's not spring
[09:43] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'm aware of that.  I think maybe the day got lost.
[09:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: hahaha
[09:45] <JamesTait> But as SuperMatt says, the evening wasn't so good.  As soon as the sun started to set, the temperature dropped and the clouds started rolling over.
[09:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: I want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM
[09:47] <davmor2> I love a good storm
[09:48] <davmor2> JamesTait: I was really excited by the thought of Thunder Snow my two favourite weather type in one sitting
[09:48] <JamesTait> 🙌 🌩
[10:10] <popey> looks like a man with his arms in the air as a fart comes out
[11:10] <davmor2> popey: you've been missed dude
[11:25] <popey> \o/
[11:35] <andylockran> howdy
[13:44] <SuperMatt> https://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2017/02/rackspace-layoffs-370-us-staff-job-cuts-worldwide/
[13:44] <popey> erk
[13:44] <popey> you okay?
[13:47] <diplo> He's already left afaik popey :)
[13:53] <popey> oh
[13:54] <SuperMatt> yeah, I got out of there over a year ago now
[13:55] <SuperMatt> and now I'm really glad I did
[13:55] <SuperMatt> I went in thinking it might be a job for life
[13:55] <zmoylan-pi> still not a good sign when you see jobs going in i.t. industry which is supposedly the industry driving the economy... 500 jobs in hp in ireland gone today as well as they close plant making printers
[13:57] <SuperMatt> Problem was offering managed cloud. Mom and Pop businesses who couldn't afford their own sys-ad, let alone bare metal, would sign up for the cheapest managed cloud offering they could.
[13:58] <SuperMatt> When you factored in the number of tickets they were raising, time taken to completion, etc, compared with the enterprises, we were pretty much paying the client to run their business with us
[16:03] <TwistedLucidity> Does PulseAudio do some kind of automatic volume levelling?
[22:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> j


[06:50] <dholbach> good morning
[06:51] <Kilos> hi dholbach and others
[07:06] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[15:01] <popey> TEAM MEATING!
[15:52] <jono> dpm, hey, pal
[15:52] <jono> sorry, not going to make it today
[15:52] <jono> dpm, can we sync next week?
[15:54] <dholbach> looks like jono wasn't really expecting an answer :)
[15:54] <dpm> lol
[15:54] <svij> catch him before he leaves again :P
[15:55] <mhall119> he wasn't invited to the team meeting anyway :-P
[15:55] <dholbach> jono, hippie!
[15:55] <jono> lol
[15:55] <jono> dholbach, entirely accurate
[15:55] <jono> TRUMP 2016
[15:55] <jono> :-)
[15:55] <mhall119> nothing's changed
[15:55] <jono> :-)
[16:04] <dholbach> bye bye - see you guys tomorrow! :)
[16:05] <dpm> argh
[16:05] <dpm> he left again!
[16:15] <dpm> ok, missed the 2 minutes window to reply again...
[16:20] <svij> dpm: you and jono act like Tom&Jerry ;)
[16:20] <Kilos> hehe
[16:20] <svij> dpm: and before you leave, dont forget to answer my mail (if you find the time) ;)
[16:21] <dpm> svij, it's on my list :)
[16:21] <svij> for today I hope :D
[16:21] <svij> "it was on my list! For next year!" :D
[16:22] <knome> dpm, !UICK!
[16:22] <knome> dpm, QUICK! too
[16:22] <svij> go go go!
[16:23] <mhall119> jono: having fun with your internet today?
[16:24] <jono> mhall119, well, I am at an event and keep opening and closing my laptop
[16:24] <jono> I know, I know...screen :-)
[16:24] <dpm> jono, ACK!
[16:24] <jono> dpm, :-)
[16:24] <dpm> :-)
[16:25] <jono> dpm, sorry for the late notice
[16:25] <dpm> thanks knome, svij ;-)
[16:25] <jono> this week has been a blur
[16:25] <jono> dpm, would love to catch up soon though
[16:25] <dpm> jono, no worries, sure
[16:26] <jono> dpm, :-)


[01:08] <jefeti> hi there, need help please... I installed lubuntu on an old Toshiba Satellite 1400 laptop
[01:08] <jefeti> I always get black screen on boot...
[01:08] <Unit193> !nomodeset
[01:09] <Unit193> Tried that?
[01:09] <jefeti> yes i tried that without results...
[01:09] <jefeti> I also tried acpi=off
[01:10] <jefeti> no dice
[01:10] <Unit193> Tried removing   quiet splash   to see what's going on?
[01:10] <jefeti> I can't access command line with Alt+F1
[01:11] <Unit193> Ctrl+Alt+F1 ?
[01:11] <jefeti> yeah, that one
[01:12] <jefeti> no luck
[01:12] <jefeti> it blinks the lubuntu logo then shuts the screen off
[01:15] <jefeti> I even tried installig lubuntu with an alternate installer...
[01:20] <jefeti> anyone... any ideas?
[01:22] <Unit193> Tried any other distros?
[01:25] <jefeti> yes... xubuntu and ubuntu...
[01:25] <jefeti> same dilema
[01:30] <jefeti> and I'm also using LTS versions
[01:32] <Unit193> There is no LTS of Lubuntu, but I'd see if knoppix or puppy work in live, to check for differences.
[01:53] <jefeti> It works fine with puppy
[01:53] <jefeti> haven't tried with knoppix though
[02:13]  * SonikkuAmerica never used Knoppix, but did use DSL at one time...
[03:37] <alucardpotato> so i have ubuntu 13.04 currently installed. to use lubuntu do i have to do the iso thing?  or can i add lubuntu or... LXDE to my splash?  like i do with cinnamon?
[03:37] <Unit193> Best way is of course a fresh, clean install, but there are others of course.
[03:37] <Unit193> !purelubuntu
[03:38] <alucardpotato> hmm okay,  thanks, will " sudo apt-get install lxde"  give me the latest version?
[03:40] <Unit193> lubuntu-desktop, actually.
[03:41] <alucardpotato> ahhhh i see, and will this "sham lubuntu"  have the benefits i want?   so after i select at the splash, will it really be lubuntu?  and doing all the power saving good stuff, or no...  hence the "pure lubuntu"  extravaganza?
[03:41] <alucardpotato> or.. half + half
[03:42] <Unit193> Well, you may still have all the left over gnome daemons running, but the DE itself will be "better" I'd say.
[03:43] <alucardpotato> yeah i'm not doing anything intensive, plus it's a 4GB ram laptop.  all i'm gonna be doing is C in vim...  but i like the idea of lubuntu...  i may install the next LTS... or does lubuntu not have lts?
[03:44] <Unit193> It doesn't, but 14.04 may be the first.
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: I'm increasingly hearing it will be the first. What might the holdup be?
[03:46] <Unit193> Lack of devs, pretty much.
[05:59] <JohnnyL> Hi, I was wondering. I have two machines. One with Lubuntu (it's not networked). I also have a flash drive.  I'll try it as soon as my Ubuntu 12.04.1 install finishes since that seem to work. I would rather have Lubuntu though.
[17:31] <holstein> HElephant: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[17:32] <HElephant> I know.
[17:32] <holstein> HElephant: you can install lxde into that 12.04 install
[17:32] <HElephant> I am going to use i3.
[17:32] <holstein> HElephant: i dont think you do, or you wouldnt say "im installing ubuntu, but id rather have lubuntu"
[17:32] <holstein> HElephant: use what you like.. you can install i3 into 12.04
[17:33] <HElephant> I know Lubuntu is Ubuntu based and a lot more lightweight. That's why I'd prefer Lubuntu on my M500.
[17:33] <holstein> HElephant: its not "ubuntu based".. its literally ubuntu... the same sources.. and an official version of ubuntu
[17:34] <HElephant> If it's Ubuntu, how can it be so much more lightweight then?
[17:34] <holstein> HElephant: it uses LXDE instead of unity..
[17:34] <holstein> HElephant: and other customizations based on the same sources
[17:34] <HElephant> So it will be even more lightweight if I use i3?
[17:35] <holstein> HElephant: nothing makes your machine any faster
[17:35] <holstein> HElephant: you can just literally use less stuff, and free up system resources. at a cost
[17:36] <HElephant> holstein, Which will be the most lightweight if I use i3 on both distros then? Lubuntu or Ubuntu?
[17:36] <HElephant> ... since you said Lubuntu has some customizations to it.
[17:36] <holstein> HElephant: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[17:37] <holstein> HElephant: so, you can literally make the same thing from both bases
[17:37] <holstein> HElephant: assuming you add/remove the same packages the end result will be identical
[17:37] <HElephant> All right, but what are those customizations?
[17:37] <holstein> HElephant: many things.. the biggest of which is the desktop... as i said, lxde instead of unity
[17:38] <holstein> HElephant: the filemanager.. no pulseaudio in lubuntu.. and others
[17:38] <HElephant> Ah okay!
[18:22] <HElephant> holstein, I successfully installed Ubuntu 12.04.1
[18:59] <HElephant> holstein, is there any package I should NOT upgrade due to compability issues?
[19:08] <avis> does medibuntu still work ?  last time i tried to use it would not connect to the server ?
[19:09] <Unit193> Works for me™  When did you last try it?
[21:06] <karen_> Hi, I want to check a wireless mouse on my computer with Lubuntu. It doesn't seem to work on my Windows Vista computer. Can I do that without to much effort?
[21:06] <ianorlin> not sure of drivers but it plugs into a usb right?
[21:06] <karen_> I don't want to use it on Lubuntu just check it.   Ya a usb port.
[21:07] <ianorlin> how do you check it works without running it?
[21:07] <karen_> I guess it won't hurt to plug it in and try it, right?
[21:07] <ianorlin> nope
[21:08] <karen_> k
[21:09] <karen_> Nope, I think the mouse is broken. Thanks anyway.
[21:09] <ianorlin> does it need batteries in it?
[21:09] <karen_> I put new batteries in it.  It's been dropped a few times.
[21:10] <ianorlin> oh that will do it
[21:10] <karen_> hahaha yep
[21:54] <blinkdot> hey i have an problem, i'm trying to make an usb key bootable with lubuntu to install it on my hdd and all i can see is a blinking dot which never end
[21:55] <blinkdot> i have the same issue since few months, i given up, but this time i want to solve it :/
[22:07] <phillw> blinkdot: there have been reported issues with creating usb sticks. which method did you use and what version of lubuntu are you using?
[22:08] <blinkdot> 13.04, and i have tried with Universal USB Installer, Lili LinuxLive USB Creator and unetbootin
[22:09] <blinkdot> same thing happen with ubuntu
[22:11] <blinkdot> i do not have other usb stick to try with
[22:12] <blinkdot> it's more like a blinking dash, not dot
[22:12] <phillw> blinkdot: always ensure that you check the ISO before trying to transfer it to  a usb stick. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CheckISO_CD#Check_the_iso_file
[22:13] <blinkdot> md5 is ok
[22:13] <Unit193> blinkdot: Tried nomodeset and all?
[22:14] <blinkdot> no, i will try
[22:15] <phillw> I've been told that the pendrive linux system gives good results and have also used LiLi myself (it's on version 2.4.0 now).
[22:16] <Unit193> LiLi is pretty much the best tool, yeah.
[22:16] <blinkdot> i dot not have any menu at all i can't not select nomodeset
[22:16] <blinkdot> do*
[22:16] <Unit193> F6, Esc, type  nomodeset
[22:16] <Unit193> !nomodset
[22:17] <Unit193> !nomodeset
[22:17] <blinkdot> thx
[22:17] <blinkdot> i'm on an eeepc
[22:17] <Unit193> !eee
[22:20] <blinkdot> f6 and esc doing nothing, still a blinking dash. i will look at eeepc docs and the PLoP Boot Manager thanks
[22:22] <Unit193> Plop, woo!
[22:23]  * ianorlin uses plop everytime he boots this desktop
[22:23] <Unit193> ianorlin: Oh?  Rather than grub?  What do you think?
[22:23] <ianorlin> both as I need it to get usb boot on an external hard drive
[22:23] <ianorlin> as the internal one broke
[22:24] <ianorlin> I use plop to launch grub on the usb external hard drive
[22:24] <ianorlin> as no usb boot in bios
[22:24] <blinkdot> wow http://makegadgetswork.blogspot.fr/2012/02/how-to-boot-from-usb-when-bios-does-not.html#more there too much steps to make it working
[22:25] <blinkdot> i give up, thanks anyways guys
[22:25] <Unit193> Hah, nice.  Too bad it's not a bigger external or you could just take it out of the enclosure.
[22:25] <ianorlin> It is out of the enclosure
[22:26] <ianorlin> I have disabled the old one but haven't taken it out
[22:26] <blinkdot> i hope it get fixed in the next year so i can install ubuntu on my netbook, cya
[22:32] <ianorlin> Is there any way to reorder th right click options on lxterminal so the close this tab is not at the bottom?
[22:37] <Unit193> I don't personally know, use xfce4-terminal because last I knew you couldn't unbind a key in lxterminal.
[22:37] <ianorlin> I keep right clicking and it ends up closing my weechat connection
[22:38] <Unit193> Use screen?
[22:38] <ianorlin> screen?


[08:26] <west> icons of minimized apps don't show in the panle
[08:33] <west> can any one help
[08:33] <west> or i'll try tomorrow when people are awake
[08:34] <west> unless theres a friendly bot around that can help
[08:34] <west> beep beep mee mee meep
[08:34] <west> outie
[20:21] <DaNoiseMann> anybody uses monobristol?
[20:30] <holstein> DaNoiseMann: i have used bristol


[00:49] <shadeslayer> valorie: I shall bring it to randa if randa is happening and I still have it
[00:51] <valorie> I'm pretty sure you will not still have it
[00:51] <shadeslayer> Youre probably right
[00:51] <valorie> also no idea whether I can swing two trips to europe again this summer while my husband is on the trail
[00:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell and I will probably finish it off
[00:52] <valorie> he's leaving april 15 to hike the Pacific Crest Trail and will not finish until October
[00:52] <valorie> Mexico > Canada via the mountains
[00:52]  * valorie is the support person
[00:52] <shadeslayer> Whoa
[00:53] <shadeslayer> Isn't that the super famous route
[00:53] <valorie> yes
[00:53] <shadeslayer> I read about it recently
[00:53] <valorie> move Wild came out recently
[00:53] <shadeslayer> Nice :)
[00:53] <valorie> he retired at the end of the year and has been training during the past year
[00:54] <shadeslayer> I don't know if I know it from the movie
[00:54] <valorie> I've not seen it yet, but read the book
[00:55] <valorie> Reese Witherspoon is the major character
[01:01] <manchicken> valorie: Whereabouts are you located?
[01:02] <valorie> right outside Black Diamond, Washington
[01:03] <manchicken> Nice.
[01:03] <valorie> an hour out of Seattle
[01:03] <manchicken> I'm in the DC Metro area.
[01:03] <valorie> someday I will visit DC
[01:04] <valorie> so much to do and see there
[01:09] <manchicken> Yeah, that's true.
[01:09] <manchicken> I was in the city earlier for noms.
[01:09] <manchicken> Then I went to the Starschmucks while my girlfriend went to a museum with her friend and I finished Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
[01:14] <manchicken> What's the command to start the debuild where it left off? dh_build?
[07:59] <soee> good morning
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:41] <yofel> manchicken: debuild -nc (which starts from the beginning, but skips the successfull parts)
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:10] <bukai> Riddell: Hi
[12:13] <bukai> Hi all, I need images for the kubuntu website any help is welcome.
[12:18] <sitter> bukai: he's traveling, also he's no artist :P
[12:19] <bukai> sitter: that is why I asked everyone for help :)
[12:20] <sitter> bukai: send a mail
[12:20] <sitter> I do suppose that has more coverage and people reading the channel backlog
[12:20] <bukai> ok
[13:23] <archetech> does vivid plasma 5 need any other ppa's beside the defaults for having latest pkgs?
[13:24] <soee> archetech: nope
[13:24] <soee> ut we are laking abouit lkatets 'stable' right ?
[13:25] <archetech> no    i have just what comes from default install atm
[13:25] <archetech> vivid main restricted
[13:26] <archetech> I used the sources generator
[13:26] <archetech> one option im curious about is adding experimental
[13:28] <archetech> lordievader,    says ci repo is needed   sitter said no  awhile back
[13:28] <claydoh> Look at the contents of a ppa - you will find that there are not a lot of vivd packages in the kubuntu  ppas right now
[13:29] <archetech> right ci  looked cleared out 2 weeks ago
[13:29] <soee> archetech: use CI if you want latest packages that might sometimes not work, vivid by deualt contains what was officialy released into archive
[13:29] <claydoh> archetech: ci repo is NOT needed. unless you want to play with daily kde crack
[13:29] <lordievader> archetech: No I said you need it if you want the latest stuff.
[13:29] <archetech> claydoh,   ok that confirms what sitter said
[13:30] <archetech> ive broken my install twice using anything besises default
[13:31] <claydoh> archetech: there you go ;)
[13:31] <soee> :-)
[13:31] <archetech> once with default  which is fine  I recover it fast
[13:32] <lordievader> archetech: You said you had troubles with the packages from the archive?
[13:33] <archetech> how bout this  any opin?  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/experimental/ubuntu vivid main
[13:33] <archetech> lordievader,   ya I just fixed kwin being broke
[13:33] <archetech> its in the forum
[13:35] <lordievader> archetech: Ah, okay. Though I suppose if it is a bug a bug report would be nice.
[13:55] <claydoh> archetech: there is nothing of use in that ppa for vivid
[13:55] <archetech> ok thks
[13:56] <archetech> sticking with default its new enough
[14:35] <sitter> eek blimey
[14:36] <sitter> shadeslayer: I ought to land qt5 ports of our software
[14:36] <sitter> brrrrrrr
[14:36] <sitter> do you want to do it? :P
[14:37] <shadeslayer> I'm a bit busy at the moment
[14:37] <shadeslayer> maybe tomorrow?
[14:39] <sitter> I don't even know when feature freeze is
[14:40] <sitter> 19th
[14:40] <sitter> shadeslayer: I suppose tomorrow is as good as any day
[14:40] <sitter> I mean, we could also just land the existing ports and then do reviews/fixes after they are in the archive
[14:41] <sitter> on that note I think ubiquity had no porting done whatsoever
[14:41] <sitter> although I seem to recall doing both ubiquity and apport to some degree, can't find the code though :'<
[14:42] <sitter> apport-kde is one file with some 5 classes in it
[14:42]  * sitter sighs
[14:52] <Blizzz> um… voice call is grayed out for me in ktelepathy. seein that kde-telepathy-call-ui is not installed, i wanted to try this one. but i cannot install it because of dependencies: it requires libkpeople3, but we are at 4. and removing four will do no good at all.
[14:52] <Blizzz> on 14.10
[14:58]  * Blizzz tries out backports
[15:21] <Nexia> Hello, I'm having a weird problem with my ralink wireless card (RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe) (disconnects from wireless network randomly)
[15:21] <Nexia> Wondering if this might/will be fixed in 15.04?
[15:31] <jose> ovidiu-florin: ping
[19:30] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping


[08:29] <Kenny63> Hi guys, I am having some issues with a local mirror in Saudi Arabia, have already sent an email already to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:30] <Kenny63> Long story short, the mirror is unstable. I have been told to "host your own mirror" and to "stop hogging our bandwidth".
[08:33] <Kenny63> What is the best way forward here? I don't feel like this country mirror is really fulfilling the requirements that everyone else plays by...
[11:06] <ravage> Kenny63: the only mirror listed in saudi arabia already has has a status of " Last update unknown "
[11:06] <ravage> so choose another mirror
[11:07] <ravage> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:42] <Kenny63> ravage Hmm ok
[12:43] <Kenny63> What kind of governance is there with the mirrors listed?
[12:44] <Kenny63> I have been trying to work with the maintainers of this mirror in solving an issue with random TCP timeouts for about 1 month.
[12:46] <Kenny63> Usually I would just change to someone else (or configure a local mirror).
[12:47] <Kenny63> But in this case being effectively told to pound sand after reporting stability issues is a little strange
[12:48] <Kenny63> But no worries, I won't clutter this IRC channel up with this. I have already sent an email!
[12:48] <Kenny63> Thanks