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[09:00] <soee_> ig there is a kdeinit5 or something crash when wifi is connected/disconnected
[09:00] <soee_> is it plasma5 nug or NM ?
[09:01] <yofel> uhm, a backtrace would be nice... If drkonqi doesn't come up do you get something in /var/crash/ ?
[09:04] <soee_> thers a _usr_bin_kdeinit5.1000.crash but its empty
[09:05] <yofel> looks like the right file name though, bummer that it's empty :S
[09:07] <soee> hm it was now kded5
[09:08] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7950260/
[09:08] <yofel> brr, missing debug symbols.
[09:09] <apachelogger> nah, that's lowlevel
[09:09] <apachelogger> possibly symbol lookup error
[09:09] <apachelogger> soee: what does .xsession-errors have to say?
[09:09] <yofel> could be. I've seen short crashes like that myself
[09:11] <soee> a short video with crash http://tinyurl.com/kolt5dq
[09:11] <soee> you can download it its mkv
[09:11] <soee> 2.2 mb
[09:11] <soee> apachelogger: one moment ill check
[09:13] <soee> what shouldi look for in .xsession-erros ? it ha sa lot of info
[09:14] <yofel> any symbol lookup errors in there?
[09:16] <apachelogger> search for drkonqi, before that you might see kded5 complaining about something
[09:16] <soee> apachelogger: do you mind if i just show you the file ?
[09:17] <apachelogger> no, might contain sensitive data though
[09:17]  * apachelogger has no clue what kind of stuff current plasma5 apps dump to stdout right now ;)
[09:18] <soee> Qt: Session management error: networkIdsList argument is NULL
[09:20] <apachelogger> that shouldn't cause a broken backtrace, then again it might
[09:21] <soee> some more entries http://paste.ubuntu.com/7950358/
[09:21] <apachelogger> KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/bin/kdeinit5 from kdeinit
[09:22] <apachelogger> :O
[09:22] <apachelogger> soee: what's the output for kded5?
[09:22] <soee> apachelogger: kded5 output is: Qt: Session management error: networkIdsList argument is NULL
[09:23] <apachelogger> soee: and then the drkonqi output starts?
[09:24] <soee> apachelogger: where exactly ? in .xsession-erros or terminal where i executed kded5 ?
[09:24] <apachelogger> oh you ran kded5 manually
[09:24] <apachelogger> the output should be on terminal then I guess
[09:25] <soee> thers just this one line Qt: Session management error: networkIdsList argument is NULL
[09:26] <soee> brb, i need to reboot
[09:29] <soee_> back
[09:35] <soee> kdeinit5 crash at first try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5Y1YKyUq8
[11:02] <soee> i have a small question @plasma5 an icons
[11:03] <Riddell> soee: que?
[11:03] <soee> on my desktop installation (2 days ago) if i open dolphin the Home and Root  directories in the locations panel use new home and root folder icons
[11:04] <soee> on my laptop where im also using plasam5 and all latest updates
[11:04] <soee> both links uses old folder icons
[11:04] <Riddell> probably no frameworkintegration installed?
[11:04] <Riddell> that caught me out
[11:04] <Riddell> also set it in systemsettings
[11:05] <soee> frameworkintegration installed
[11:05] <soee> all other folder icons are new
[11:05] <soee> except this and some other used in menus
[11:05] <soee> so i wonder if its some cache or .config issue
[11:07] <soee> other thing: system-settings crashes whn trying to open Multimedia section but this is random
[11:08] <Riddell> blame phonon for that :)
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:10] <soee> Riddell: seen my info about kdeinit5 and kded crashes with wifi ?
[11:10] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[11:10] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: more like blame shitty packaging
[11:15] <apachelogger> it's that vlc bug I mentioned the other day
[11:16] <soee> apachelogger: so thi sis related to vlc phonon backend ?
[11:16] <apachelogger> google launchpad crash vlc phonon plugin cache
[11:16] <apachelogger> that will probably give you the relevant bug report :P
[11:18] <soee> ok than so thi sone is known and reported  :)
[11:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell debfx http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html
[11:29] <shadeslayer> parser still needs fixing
[11:29] <yofel> I'll do some CSS later
[11:30] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[11:30] <yofel> is that in some shared repo?
[11:30] <yofel> I don't remember where you put it
[11:30] <shadeslayer> no, it's in my junk repo
[11:30] <shadeslayer> lp:~rohangarg/+junk/ubuntu-patch-parser
[11:30] <yofel> thanks
[11:31] <debfx> teh unicodes are unhappy on that page ☹
[11:32] <yofel> true ^^
[11:36] <apachelogger> +usr/share/kservices5/kwin/kwin4_decoration_qml_breeze.desktop
[11:36] <apachelogger>  usr/share/kwin
[11:36] <apachelogger> -usr/share/kservices5/kwin/kwin4_decoration_qml_breeze.desktop
[11:36] <apachelogger> always with the shit diffs
[11:36] <yofel> do it right in the first place and that won't happen
[11:37] <apachelogger> well see, I did not do it
[11:37] <apachelogger> so now I get to break history because someone forgot to run that rotten script
[11:37] <soee> hmm the option in wirless connection settings to automatically connect to network if available does not work
[11:37] <yofel> blame $person, I'm fixing that all the time as well
[11:38] <apachelogger> how does blaming do anything?
[11:39] <yofel> if you blame them and tell them they might do it right next time :P
[11:39] <apachelogger> to this date people don't run merges with -v
[11:40] <yofel> they really should though, even if I probably forgot to use that too a lot :(
[11:41] <apachelogger> that's why I say if you want wrapsort then it should be forced server side in some capacity
[11:42] <apachelogger> surely one could audit pushes like kde does with git
[11:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, did you do plasma-desktop mergery on friday
[11:43] <soee> hmm /home/kubuntu - this direcotry is required ?
[11:45] <apachelogger> yofel: upstart patchy good to go
[11:46] <yofel> oh?
[11:46] <yofel> wohoo
[11:46] <yofel> apachelogger: can I just commit to both repositories with the same review #?
[11:47] <apachelogger> yofel: yep, please do
[12:00] <yofel> done, thanks for the help :)
[12:04] <yofel> soee: shouldn't...
[12:17] <soee> yofel: teh folder ?
[12:18] <yofel> the folder should only exist if you have a user named 'kubuntu' - which should only be the case if you added it
[12:19] <soee> no i did not
[12:19] <yofel> then that shouldn't be there
[12:20] <soee> ok, thank you
[13:04] <Riddell> hola sgclark
[13:04] <sgclark> good morning
[13:05] <sgclark> Riddell: so like umm it seems I don't recall my password for qa.kubuntu.co.uk if you could reset it please
[13:06] <Riddell> sgclark: for sudo?
[13:07] <sgclark> yeah
[13:07] <Riddell> voila
[13:08] <apachelogger> soee: regarding icons ... you'll probably need to run the theme convergence bugger again, packaging was kaput preventing it from doing its magic
[13:08] <apachelogger> soee: `dpkg -S kde4breeze` will tell you where it lives
[13:08] <apachelogger> simply run it and the configs should be updated
[13:09] <soee> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7951747/
[13:10] <apachelogger> second one
[13:11] <soee> do i need logout or reboot now ?
[13:11] <apachelogger> logout probably
[13:14] <soee> :) plasmashell did not start after logout, had to do it manually
[13:15] <soee> hmm and panel does not responds
[13:16] <apachelogger> that seems profoundly unrelated
[13:17] <apachelogger> soee: sudo gdb -p `pidof plasmashell` -> wait wait wait wait until a prompt appears -> type 'bt' -> post output -> hit ctrl+d to get out of the prompt again
[13:17] <soee> icons did not change http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/04/dolphin.png
[13:17] <soee> also font settings changed a bit
[13:20] <soee> apachelogger: this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7951874/ ?
[13:20] <apachelogger> hm
[13:20] <apachelogger> should be responding
[13:20] <apachelogger> or did it start to respond again?
[13:21] <apachelogger> soee: please paste ~/.kde/share/apps/kfileplaces/bookmarks.xml
[13:21] <soee> apachelogger: ok i qit teh debuggin and plasma respons now
[13:21] <soee> *quit
[13:24] <soee> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/x69v2kNn
[13:24] <apachelogger> really weird
[13:24] <apachelogger> soee: cat ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[13:24] <apachelogger> well, paste that xD
[13:25] <soee> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7951904/
[13:26] <apachelogger> soee: please check that the dolphin version is 4.13 or something like that
[13:26] <apachelogger> soee: in the menubar control->help->about
[13:26] <soee> apachelogger: yeah, 4.13.95
[13:27] <apachelogger> mh
[13:27] <apachelogger> it still makes no sense xD
[13:27] <soee> :|
[13:27] <apachelogger> ab
[13:27] <apachelogger> ah
[13:27] <apachelogger> I found it
[13:27] <apachelogger> soee: right click the side bar -> icon size :P
[13:28] <apachelogger> if it's not the lowest size then the different version of the icon is used ^^
[13:28] <soee> apachelogger: the thing is i configured both my laptop and desktop to use 32x32
[13:29] <soee> and desktop uses new folder icons for all entries
[13:29] <apachelogger> I can't reproduce that
[13:29] <apachelogger> or, it's possible that this is actually dependent on DPI (as so many things are these days)
[13:30] <soee> one moment i boot my PC and check one thing
[13:32] <apachelogger> hm
[13:33] <apachelogger> soee: right so, these are different icons one is specifically for small resolutions, for some reason kiconloader in kde4 doesn't always pick the same icon though
[13:34] <apachelogger> I can also reproduce that with a laptop I get the minimalistic version at 16x16 but on the desktop I always get the big version regardless of the icon size configured
[13:34] <apachelogger> could also be a caching problem though
[13:35] <soee> both my laptop and PC uses same sizes 32x32 and runnign in 1920x1080 resolution and dpi is not changed
[13:35] <apachelogger> soee: it's a cash problem
[13:35] <apachelogger> *cache
[13:35] <apachelogger> soee: rm ~.kde/cache-*/icon-cache.kcache
[13:35] <apachelogger> soee: rm ~/.kde/cache-*/icon-cache.kcache
[13:35] <apachelogger> it's a bit weird though
[13:35] <soee> apachelogger: PC dolphin icons in sidebar http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/04/snapshot1.png
[13:36] <apachelogger> soee: wipe your cache on both systems
[13:36] <apachelogger> then start dolphin
[13:36]  * Riddell spots http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.1.0_utopic.html
[13:36] <apachelogger> if the divergence persists report a bug against dolphin
[13:37] <soee> apachelogger: ok it was chache, the rm ~/.kde/cache-*/icon-cache.kcache worked
[13:37] <soee> *cache
[13:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw does the kde-gtk-config package get pulled in?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> on plasma 5
[13:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: should be unless you guys removed the kde4 bits form the seed
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[13:37] <apachelogger> just check your manifest :P
[13:37] <shadeslayer> well ,the one from cdimages doesn't have it
[13:37] <apachelogger> if it is on the iso now the new version is pulled in in a respin
[13:38] <shadeslayer> kde-config-gtk-style	3:2.2.1-1fakesync1
[13:38] <apachelogger> right
[13:38] <soee> one more question, wouldn't this be easier if all cache is put inot .cache ?
[13:38] <apachelogger> so next spin will have frameworks version
[13:38] <shadeslayer> so, will be pulled in then
[13:38] <shadeslayer> alright
[13:38] <soee> than we can clear one dir and voila
[13:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have to do a image build via orchrestration
[13:39] <apachelogger> soee: .cache didn't exists when .kde/cache-* was invented
[13:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you want to move your changes into the regular PPA?
[13:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what changes?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> anything that is still in staging
[13:39] <soee> apachelogger: ok thanks for info
[13:39] <shadeslayer> and needs moving to regular PPA
[13:40] <shadeslayer> if not, ok, I'll kick off the image build
[13:40] <apachelogger> Riddell, sgclark: btw, when moving frameworks out of staging, please be careful there is a bunch of stuff in staging that isn't frameworks and that shouldn't go to next yet
[13:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only broken thing are in staging
[13:40] <sgclark> apachelogger: ok
[13:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: even breeze?
[13:40] <apachelogger> nah that just needs a test
[13:40] <shadeslayer> mind doing that? so that we can land it on the ISO
[13:41]  * apachelogger thinks we should backport kde4breeze changes
[13:41] <apachelogger> there's a Breeze.colors in my home
[13:41] <apachelogger> which suggests that something didn't mkpath
[13:42] <shadeslayer> yep, I saw that too
[13:42] <shadeslayer> needs investigation it does
[13:43] <apachelogger> first forward patch I say
[13:43] <soee> ah would be cool if all apps some day could have unified, modern look http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/04/Music_Mockup1b.png :)
[13:43] <apachelogger> not worth investigating considering notmart made fixery already
[13:43] <apachelogger> soee: that's the new dolphin xD
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[13:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: anyway
[13:44] <shadeslayer> spinning ISO now
[13:44] <yofel> dragon built into dolphin o.O?
[13:44] <yofel> looks cool though
[13:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: breeze not populated yet I think
[13:45] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:45] <apachelogger> published
[13:45] <apachelogger> or whatever
[13:45]  * shadeslayer taps fingers
[13:45] <shadeslayer> is it there yet?
[13:45] <apachelogger> I dunno
[13:45] <apachelogger> look yourself
[13:45] <apachelogger> I am playing pong right now
[13:46] <yofel> alskjdjlkjfskfdsds
[13:46] <yofel> I'm bored
[13:46] <soee> apachelogger: dolphin ? :)
[13:48] <soee> 4.13.97 will be packaged or only final ?
[13:48] <sgclark> umm it was packaged
[13:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: fixeroo KF5
[13:50] <shadeslayer> symbols and shit
[13:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: write pretty CSS
[13:50] <shadeslayer> for dep 3 parser
[13:54] <soee> sgclark: but not moved to utopic right ?
[13:55] <sgclark> Riddell: ^ 4.13.97
[13:56] <Riddell> 4.13.97 should be in utopic-proposed but I've been doing beurocracy today and not had a chance to check
[13:56] <shadeslayer> uf
[13:56] <shadeslayer> LP is slow with publishing stuff
[13:57] <shadeslayer> kubuntuBot: imager build
[14:03] <yofel> hm, why do I get the feeling you just want me to do your work? :D
[14:03] <yofel> I'm doing CSS for you, fixing your packaging, fixing your upstream bugs, ...
[14:05]  * Riddell spots http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/20140803/
[14:05] <Riddell> anyone tested this? ↑
[14:05] <yofel> :O
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: YES
[14:05] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:05] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: needs fixs
[14:06] <shadeslayer> I've asked CJ to upload a casper fix
[14:06] <Riddell> what sort?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> SDDM ones
[14:06] <shadeslayer> autologging magic
[14:06] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7951962/
[14:06] <Riddell> ok, but good enough to kill download.kubuntu.co.uk for now?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> no
[14:07] <shadeslayer> probably another day or two
[14:07] <Riddell> gotcha
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you want to handle dirs inside debian/patches
[14:13] <shadeslayer> for the patch parser
[14:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: .glob('**/**')
[14:15] <apachelogger> that's Dir.glob
[14:17] <shadeslayer> patches = Dir.glob["./patches/**/**"]  ?
[14:17] <Riddell> tsdgeos: do you know of any announcement or changelog for libkscreen?
[14:17] <tsdgeos> Riddell: git has the 4 changes it contains
[14:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[14:17] <tsdgeos> one could say "not crash"
[14:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: looks about right
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope http://paste.ubuntu.com/7952252/
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: with http://paste.ubuntu.com/7952253/
[14:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you need a Dir instance I think :P
[14:21] <apachelogger> ruby has rather lovely docs you know
[14:22] <apachelogger> http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Dir.html#method-c-glob
[14:22] <apachelogger> interesting that error
[14:22] <apachelogger> ah
[14:22] <apachelogger> lol
[14:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's a function :P
[14:22] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:22] <apachelogger> () not []
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7952318/
[14:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: still fails, because it tries to parse patches/debian
[14:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: patches/debian what?
[14:32] <yofel> you have a debian/patches/debian/ or what?
[14:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7952339/
[14:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes
[14:32] <shadeslayer> qtscriptgenerator has it
[14:32] <yofel> just catch EISDIR?
[14:32] <apachelogger> well
[14:32] <shadeslayer> see diff
[14:32] <shadeslayer> it shouldn't be parsing it
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: move that file.isdir check to the top
[14:33]  * yofel sees ruby and runs
[14:33] <apachelogger> and use the patch var rather than patchname, because obviously patchname doesn't represent a valid path
[14:33] <shadeslayer> patch represents full path
[14:34] <apachelogger> patchname represents name of thing
[14:34] <shadeslayer> patchname represents name
[14:34] <apachelogger> so you are dong file.isdir(debian)
[14:34] <apachelogger> says no, because debian doesn't exist
[14:34] <apachelogger> ...
[14:34] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:34] <shadeslayer> got it
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yeah thx
[14:34] <shadeslayer> stupid me
[14:34] <apachelogger> and the check needs to go up mind you
[14:34] <apachelogger> if it's a dir you need not do the string manipulation at all
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yep done
[14:35] <shadeslayer> pushed
[14:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: I actually like ruby more than python tbh
[14:35]  * yofel tries to write support scritps in default languages
[14:35] <yofel> I can write a CSS generator for your script in PHP if you want :D
[14:36] <shadeslayer> @_@
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw your author access is bogus
[14:40] <shadeslayer> how so?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> it werks
[14:41] <apachelogger> no it doesn't
[14:41] <apachelogger> it contains John Doe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html
[14:41] <apachelogger> will only show name not mail because not legit
[14:41] <apachelogger> https://rubygems.org/gems/htmlentities
[14:42] <shadeslayer> what magic is this
[14:42] <apachelogger> can encode your string to entities
[14:42] <apachelogger> e.g. & instead of & etc.
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "The first 1,000 object invalidations you request per month are free; you pay for each object invalidation over 1,000 in a month"
[14:44] <Riddell> ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
[14:44] <shadeslayer> should be fine then
[14:44] <apachelogger> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[14:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you land plasma-desktop merge?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> no
[14:46] <shadeslayer> I did not
[14:46] <apachelogger> hm
[14:46] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging-next/plasma-desktop-work2/+merge/229082
[14:46] <apachelogger> you know
[14:46] <shadeslayer> the one that santa_ sent right
[14:47] <apachelogger> I think that needs a replaces
[14:47] <shadeslayer> yes, I haven't checked
[14:47] <Riddell> yay, "Just to let you know that your applications to Community Donations for the following have been approved. "
[14:47] <apachelogger> how do I make lunchpad show more context
[14:47] <apachelogger> oh, I should apply for that I guess
[14:50] <Riddell> tsdgeos: "set(libkscreen_VERSION_RELEASE 4)" version number not updated, who do I report that to? afiestas?
[14:50] <tsdgeos> Riddell: yes
[14:59] <shadeslayer> mh
[14:59] <shadeslayer> might be useful to make kubuntu-update-symbols also work on PPA's
[15:00] <Riddell> what is kubuntu-update-symbols ?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: magic script to update symbols for packages
[15:00] <shadeslayer> but only works via archive
[15:02] <Riddell> for new symbols presumably not removed symbols?
[15:03] <yofel> it runs batchpatch internally
[15:05] <Riddell> hmm it should error out if there's missing symbols, dunno if batchpatch does that
[15:06] <Riddell> you don't want to do a mass update and remove symbols, that defeats the point of symbols files
[15:06] <yofel> it runs batchpatch, so you get the output of batchpatch, which shows you whether there's MISSING stuff
[15:06] <yofel> no idea if that has a special exit status
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:07] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1352397 for your ~ubuntu-sru powers   ↓ tsdgeos
[15:07] <yofel> dangit, I need to upload 4.13.3 to propsed later. I got distracted by stupid upower and powerdevil
[15:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you upload it to utopic already?
[15:07] <Riddell> ScottK: yep
[15:08] <ScottK> OK.
[15:08] <Riddell> oh thanks yofel, vishesh was hassling about that again
[15:12] <Riddell> tsdgeos: the krfb security issue has a CVE CVE-2014-4607 which ubuntu says is for lzo2 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-4607.html
[15:12] <Riddell> do you know if they're related?
[15:13] <Riddell> oh I see "krfb embeds libvncserver which embeds liblzo2"
[15:13] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:13] <Riddell> so yes same issue, copied code
[15:13] <tsdgeos> Riddell: it is the same one yes
[15:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you try those symbols changes on trusty?  With a different default gcc between trusty and utopic, I've no confidence they'll be the same.
[15:17] <Riddell> ScottK: I did compile on trusty without problems
[15:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Accepted, but please add test case, etc to the bug.
[15:20] <Riddell> ScottK: I did I did!
[15:20] <ScottK> OK.
[15:24]  * seaLne has just finished installing trusty on a http://elinux.org/Minnowboard:MinnowMax
[15:25] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:25] <shadeslayer> seaLne: how is that board
[15:26] <seaLne> not had time for a proper play with it yet
[15:27] <shadeslayer> omg everything is so slow
[15:31] <Riddell> seaLne: ooh nice, 64 bit arm board
[15:32] <Riddell> we'll be coming to you next time we get a compile failure in arm64 then :)
[15:32] <shadeslayer> not ARM actually
[15:32] <Riddell> oh?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> it's i386
[15:32] <shadeslayer>  64-bit Intel® Atom™ E38xx Series SoC
[15:32] <Riddell> ah didn't read it right
[15:32] <shadeslayer> or well, x86_64
[15:33] <Riddell> lpia as we used to call it in ubuntu-land
[15:33] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:33] <shadeslayer> seaLne: I was thinking of getting one
[15:33] <ScottK> Riddell: No, lpia was 32bit.
[15:34] <shadeslayer> but meh
[15:34] <shadeslayer> can't think of a use case
[15:34] <seaLne> it has pcie
[15:34] <seaLne> will be used at akademy for video recording
[15:34] <shadeslayer> could run a owncloud server
[15:35] <shadeslayer> seaLne: :D
[15:35] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm yes but it was branded Atom when it came out right?
[15:35] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:35] <shadeslayer> seaLne: would be nice to stream it online this time around
[15:35] <shadeslayer> over hangouts maybe
[15:36] <ScottK> You can run even the original 32 bit Atom, LPIA stuff with regular IA32 code.  Our LPIA arch was supposed to give better power management.
[15:36] <ScottK> Don't think it actually made a significant difference.
[15:40] <seaLne> streaming tends to be more effort, i think having the videos available asap is more useful
[15:44] <shadeslayer> I imagine if you're using Google's infra to do it over youtube, it isn't
[15:44] <shadeslayer> argh
[15:44] <shadeslayer> cursor shit is still broken
[15:45] <shadeslayer> whai
[15:45] <apachelogger> I doled u
[15:45] <apachelogger> also
[15:45] <apachelogger> I think it doesn't alternative a cursor theme
[15:45] <apachelogger> which actually might be related
[15:46] <apachelogger> I am not sure how that worked but in kdm times we definitely got the default cursor to be oxygen through the alternative system without having to configure anything anywhere
[15:47] <shadeslayer> plasma-workspace was never migrated
[15:47] <shadeslayer> that's why
[15:48] <shadeslayer> fixed now
[15:48] <shadeslayer> OMG IT IS SO HOT AND THE INTERNET IS SO SLOW
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but complaining about me not migrating breeze on the same day
[15:49]  * apachelogger throws keyboard
[15:49]  * shadeslayer ducks
[15:49] <apachelogger> *YAWN*
[15:59] <Riddell> yofel: I just uploaded krfb to kubuntu-ppa/ppa for the security fix (just FYI)
[16:03] <shadeslayer> the internet
[16:03] <shadeslayer> oh god the internet
[16:03] <shadeslayer> so slow
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: awfully slow internet is a bad sign
[16:06] <shadeslayer> 2 KBps
[16:06] <shadeslayer> srsly, what's wrong
[16:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should have gotten up early and watched latest episode of the strain and you'd know
[16:08] <shadeslayer> ...
[16:09] <apachelogger> does anyone know why certain mimetype icons are kaputsies in plasma5?
[16:13] <Riddell> "What commands should I run in order to properly install non-free wireless drivers for Dell wireless 1450 adapter for desktop?" facebook query du jour
[16:13] <Riddell> Mamarok: think I should point that sort of query at the forums?↑
[16:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7953138/
[16:20] <shadeslayer> does that look right
[16:21] <apachelogger> never used
[16:21] <apachelogger> looks close enough to what I expected though :P
[16:22] <apachelogger> that line there is getting awfully long :P
[16:22] <shadeslayer> true
[16:22] <shadeslayer> I'm thinking of threading this btw
[16:23] <shadeslayer> so that branch/parse happens simultaneously, but not sure how to block threads so that they can only append to the file one at a time
[16:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: polkit-qt-1 all failed?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:32] <shadeslayer> I told apachelogger that on Friday
[16:33] <soee> one more issue/question @ new icons:
[16:33] <Riddell> "error: 'QStringLiteral' was not declared in this scope" hmm maybe we use a stricter gcc than whoever wrote that
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/181331529/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.polkit-qt-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: y u no fix
[16:33] <shadeslayer> soee: wrong channel btw
[16:33] <shadeslayer> you probably want #plasma
[16:33] <soee> :)
[16:33] <shadeslayer> since we don't really work on icons
[16:37] <apachelogger> oeh
[16:37] <apachelogger> oh
[16:37] <apachelogger> huh
[16:37] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you did not tell me :P
[16:39] <shadeslayer> I did
[16:39] <apachelogger> why did I put the patch in there?
[16:39] <apachelogger> I didn't what
[16:39] <apachelogger> what the hell is going on here
[16:40] <apachelogger> oh jebus
[16:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u upload wrong polkit
[16:40] <shadeslayer> I wot
[16:40] <apachelogger> there's polikitty-qt and there is polikitty-qt5
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ...
[16:44] <apachelogger> if ye don't do it yerself
[16:44] <apachelogger> always the same with you kids
[16:44] <apachelogger> all fixered up
[16:44] <shadeslayer> cool
[16:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is the apol not in the office the today?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> he is
[16:46] <shadeslayer> why
[16:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because he needs to fix gtk tarball
[16:46] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:46] <apachelogger> was rolled with releaseme master branch thus has l10n cmake stuff that won't work with frameworks
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:47] <shadeslayer> send a email I guess
[16:47] <shadeslayer> would be faster
[16:47] <apachelogger> you could just tell him? :P
[17:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's probably too hot to move.
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: apol says that it'll be fixed when the RC releases
[17:10] <apachelogger> pft
[17:10] <apachelogger> oy
[17:10] <apachelogger> that python thing here is one ugly beast
[17:20] <Mamarok> Riddell: yes, I don't think Facebook is the right place to ask such a question :)
[17:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: ping
[17:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: brokenness http://i.imgur.com/nBDZWgo.png
[17:31] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, try maunal
[17:31] <BluesKaj> err manual
[17:31] <shadeslayer> doesn't make it less broken
[17:31] <shadeslayer> might be a workaround, sure
[17:32] <shadeslayer> but it's broken
[17:32] <BluesKaj> weird error
[17:38] <shadeslayer> voila http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html
[18:54] <yofel> ScottK: 4.13.3 is in the trusty-proposed queue for your attention when you have time. Requires kubuntu-meta 1.308.2 which is also in the queue so baloo isn't removed
[18:55] <ScottK> OK.  Let's make sure we do that first.
[18:57] <ScottK> yofel: meta rejected.
[18:57] <ScottK> diff -Nru kubuntu-meta-1.308.1/debootstrap-version kubuntu-meta-1.308.2/debootstrap-version
[18:57] <ScottK> --- kubuntu-meta-1.308.1/debootstrap-version	2014-04-28 13:16:40.000000000 +0000
[18:57] <ScottK> +++ kubuntu-meta-1.308.2/debootstrap-version	2014-08-04 17:54:22.000000000 +0000
[18:57] <ScottK> @@ -1 +1 @@
[18:57] <ScottK> -1.0.59
[18:57] <ScottK> +1.0.60tanglu1
[18:57] <yofel> *SIGH*
[18:57] <yofel> fixing
[18:57] <ScottK> Please use Ubuntu packages to build stuff.
[18:57] <yofel> I didn't expect that... sorry
[18:58] <ScottK> Also tanglu should be able to get their changes into the Debian debootstrap so it doesn't have to be a problem.
[19:01] <yofel> ScottK: next try
[19:01] <ScottK> Waiting for the diff.
[19:04] <ScottK> yofel: 1.308.2 already used in utopic.  Try making the version 1.308.1.1 and reuploading.
[19:05] <yofel> okay o.O
[19:06] <yofel> 1.1 up
[19:08] <ScottK> yofel: That did it.  Thanks.
[19:08] <yofel> \o/
[19:10] <ScottK> Once that's built, I'll accept kde4libs.
[20:11] <soee__> oh qupzilla uses duckduckgo by default ;)
[20:59] <hyper_ch> why was baloo re-added as dependency to kde?
[20:59] <apachelogger> version?
[20:59] <apachelogger> bad backport maybe
[20:59] <apachelogger> yofel: kind sir, what do you know if this?
[21:00] <lordievader> Err, me saying that it was pulled in as a dependency was just a guess...
[21:00] <hyper_ch> apachelogger: a few days ago it was finally removed... now it's back as dependancy :(
[21:00] <apachelogger> guesses don't count
[21:00] <apachelogger> also pix or it didn't happen
[21:00] <hyper_ch> it's again a dependency to kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full, gwenview, dolphin, knotes and a few other things
[21:00] <lordievader> apachelogger: I figured hyper_ch would check it, I don't even know what package holds baloo ;)
[21:02] <apachelogger> as compensation for the inconvenience I'll offer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_sfnQDr1-o
[21:02] <hyper_ch> I prefer kitten :(
[21:02] <hyper_ch> or baby seals
[21:02] <apachelogger> hyper_ch: apt-cache show gwenview
[21:03] <apachelogger> hyper_ch: apt-cache show libbaloofiles4
[21:03] <hyper_ch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7955320/
[21:03] <hyper_ch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7955323/
[21:04] <apachelogger> doesn't look like a dependency to me
[21:04] <apachelogger> hyper_ch: what's the exact list of things that would be removed if you remove baloo?
[21:05] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get purge baloo -s
[21:05] <hyper_ch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7955333/
[21:05] <hyper_ch> apachelogger: it is already removed
[21:05] <hyper_ch> a few days ago I was finally able to remove it
[21:05] <apachelogger> install gwenview then :P
[21:05] <hyper_ch> now it wants to be readed
[21:05] <apachelogger> it's entirely possible that there was a temporary bad dep again, it certainly is gone now
[21:06] <hyper_ch> http://paste.debian.net/113688/
[21:06] <hyper_ch> but why even make it a dependency?
[21:07] <apachelogger> I have no clue
[21:07] <apachelogger> out of the upgraded packages kubuntu-desktop could pull it in
[21:07] <apachelogger> that is to say I find it perfectly reasonable that a system without baloo would not be a kubuntu-desktop anymore
[21:07] <hyper_ch> why?
[21:08] <apachelogger> because it's part of the experience package, if you remove it you don't get a kubuntu-desktop experience anymore
[21:08] <hyper_ch> I think I have a perfect kubuntu-desktop even without baloo
[21:09] <ScottK> Also, it's recommends, so you can remove it without removing kubuntu-desktop
[21:09] <apachelogger> it is
[21:09] <hyper_ch> ScottK: then why does it want to install now on dist-upgrade?
[21:09] <apachelogger> I am just saying, it should probably be a depends
[21:09] <ScottK> The fact that it dropped completely was a bug.
[21:10] <hyper_ch> if it can be removed, and it is already removed, then it shouldn't be required to install on upgrade
[21:10] <ScottK> hyper_ch: Because you're updating the metapackage.
[21:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: but would that pull in a recommends?
[21:10] <apachelogger> oh it probably would if the recommends was not in the previous version
[21:10] <ScottK> I think that's it.
[21:11] <apachelogger> if I could find that option for apt again
[21:11] <hyper_ch> apt-get by default shouldn't install recommends
[21:12] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true dist-upgrade -s
[21:12] <apachelogger> hyper_ch: yes it should
[21:12] <apachelogger> suggests it shouldn't
[21:14] <ScottK> hyper_ch: Go read the definition of Recommends in the policy.  It definitely should be default.  You can disable it yourself if you don't like it.
[21:14] <hyper_ch> you're right
[21:14] <hyper_ch> confused recommends and suggests
[21:14] <apachelogger> so what's that command saying?
[21:14] <hyper_ch> apt-get --no-recommends dist-upgrade   works fine
[21:14] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true dist-upgrade -s
[21:15] <hyper_ch> apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade   works fine
[21:15] <apachelogger> well support for that you could have gotten in #kubuntu :P
[21:15] <hyper_ch> I was told to get in here
[21:16] <hyper_ch> and sometimes I do what strangers tell me on the internet
[21:16] <apachelogger> you really shouldn't http://i.imgur.com/aKLYCAl.png
[21:17] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:17] <hyper_ch> give it back!!! all 3 dollars
[21:18] <hyper_ch> nighty night
[21:18] <apachelogger> I do wonder though, if one clicks ok, does that indicate an agreement and thus make it legal
[21:56]  * yofel wonders when vishesh will pop up complaining that we made baloo required again...
[22:00] <apachelogger> but we didn't :(
[22:58] <soee__>  whwre should i create .bashrc file to be able to use it?
[22:58] <soee__> in my home dir ?
[22:59] <apachelogger> yes
[23:01] <soee__> do i also need to logout/login so the changes are applied ?
[23:01] <soee__> im talking about this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12399002/how-to-configure-git-bash-command-line-completion
[23:02] <apachelogger> you'll need to restart the terminal
[23:02] <apachelogger> or you could do source ~/.bashrc
[23:02] <apachelogger> that will simply reload it in the running terminal
[23:02] <soee__> nice, thank you
[23:06] <soee__> hmm thers now /etc/bash_completion.d/git
[23:07] <ScottK> So, when the wiki got moved, where did the dependency diagrams go?
[23:08] <apachelogger> on vacation in italy
[23:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: it's possible that I did not actually move it
[23:09] <ScottK> Sigh.
[23:09] <ScottK> Could we get that back?
[23:10] <apachelogger> well
[23:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: where was it in the old wiki?
[23:10] <ScottK> It was in the Ninjas directory
[23:10] <ScottK> Kubuntu/Ninjas/I don't remember
[23:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[23:11] <apachelogger> still where it used to be
[23:11] <ScottK> thanks.
[23:11] <apachelogger> we might have decided to not move it because it becomes largely irrelevant and blown out of proportion with plasma5
[23:11] <apachelogger> impossible to maintain manually at any rate
[23:16]  * ScottK heaves it all into the archive and waits to see what lands upside down.
[23:56] <ScottK> Sigh.
[23:56] <ScottK> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/181339835/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.artikulate_4%3A4.13.97-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz


[10:29] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5410 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/run): Add a --python3 option to tests/run to run the tests under Python 3.
[10:35] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5411 trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Handle renaming of __builtin__ to builtins in Python 3.
[10:40] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5412 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): Only pass unicode=1 to gettext.install in Python 2.
[11:12] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5413 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/auto_update.py): Port ubiquity.auto_update to python-apt 0.8 progress classes.
[11:20] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5414 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-language.py):
[11:20] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Avoid locking failures when clicking on the "update this installer" link
[11:20] <CIA-62> ubiquity: more than once.
[11:37] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5415 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_ubi_partman.py):
[11:37] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Use Python 3 names for itertools.izip and itertools.izip_longest if
[11:37] <CIA-62> ubiquity: available.
[11:42] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5416 trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
[11:42] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Use helpers from the six module to deal with some bytes/unicode
[11:42] <CIA-62> ubiquity: differences.
[11:45] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5417 trunk/tests/run: no need to be specific about the encoding here
[12:26] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5418 trunk/ (19 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[12:26] <CIA-62> ubiquity: As a general rule, open subprocesses with universal_newlines=True when
[12:26] <CIA-62> ubiquity: expecting to read text from them. This has no effect on Python 2
[12:26] <CIA-62> ubiquity: (aside from \r\n conversion and the like, which is mostly a no-op for
[12:26] <CIA-62> ubiquity: us), but causes Python 3 to read str rather than bytes. The
[12:26] <CIA-62> ubiquity: exceptions at the moment are debconf-communicator subprocesses, where
[12:26] <CIA-62> ubiquity: debconf expects to read binary data and deal with encoding itself, and
[12:28] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5419 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_gtkwidgets.py): Use six.reraise rather than the three-argument form of raise.
[12:31] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5420 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_filteredcommand.py): Adjust test_filteredcommand for Python 3 text handling.
[12:35] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5421 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_ubi_partman.py):
[12:35] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Use misc.utf8 in test_ubi_partman.TestPage.test_description rather
[12:35] <CIA-62> ubiquity: than using unicode directly.
[12:38] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5422 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_ubi_partman.py):
[12:38] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Fix test_ubi_partman.question_has_variables to handle templates files
[12:38] <CIA-62> ubiquity: as binary data, since they're mixed-encoding.
[12:43] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5423 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_ubi_partman.py):
[12:43] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Cope with assertItemsEqual/assertCountEqual naming difference between
[12:43] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Python 2.7 and 3.2.
[12:44] <cjwatson> Almost down to a reasonably-sized patch set ... now, I wonder why test_gtkwidgets just segfaults
[12:50] <cjwatson> urgh, stack trace is truncated and is somewhere within libffi
[13:02] <cjwatson> and pyicu is mysteriously segfaulting in its tests ...
[13:33] <cjwatson> aha, pyicu bug fixed upstream, I think ...
[14:38]  * cjwatson rolls up sleeves and tries to fix ubiquity/i18n.py's text modelling, urgh
[14:52] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5424 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/i18n.py):
[14:52] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Rearrange ubiquity.i18n.get_translations to treat debconf-copydb
[14:52] <CIA-62> ubiquity: output as binary data and do field-dependent decoding.
[15:08] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5425 trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[15:08] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Adjust test_misc and test_upower to cope with file type changes in
[15:08] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Python 3.
[15:32] <cjwatson> hah, not only is ElementTree built into Python (hence lower footprint), but I think it's also faster than libxml2 and arguably easier to read
[15:32] <cjwatson> not often you get all of those
[15:32] <cjwatson> oh and it works with Python 3 which is why I care just now
[15:33] <cjwatson> well, faster for the single use ubiquity makes of it, anyway
[15:38] <cjwatson> ElementTree itself is much slower, but that's OK because cElementTree isn't
[15:46] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5426 trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[15:46] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Use xml.etree.cElementTree instead of libxml2; it's faster, has a
[15:46] <CIA-62> ubiquity: smaller footprint by virtue of being built into the standard library,
[15:46] <CIA-62> ubiquity: arguably easier to read, and works with Python 3.
[16:29] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5427 trunk/ (25 files in 8 dirs):
[16:29] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Fix a slew of file handle leaks, including making much more liberal
[16:29] <CIA-62> ubiquity: use of context managers.
[16:33] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5428 trunk/tests/test_misc.py: Fix test_misc.test_is_swap to handle context management.
[16:36] <bdmurray> in bug 989266 I see a filesystem error but no hardware errors
[16:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 989266 in ubiquity "Installation crashed!" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/989266
[16:48] <CIA-62> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5429 trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[16:48] <CIA-62> ubiquity: Move a bit more code into ubiquity.install_misc, including a new
[16:48] <CIA-62> ubiquity: target_file helper method.
[16:48] <cjwatson> bdmurray: if you believe it's a bug in the filesystem implementation, reassign to the kernel
[16:48] <cjwatson> of course there is the possibility of hardware-induced corruption that didn't get logged for whatever reason ...
[16:48] <cjwatson> but arguably the kernel should spot that anyway, yes
[16:50] <cjwatson> that said, I don't know where you're seeing that log message; I don't see it in the files attached to the bug
[16:57] <infinity> I don't quite understand why that log shows it trying to remove... Everything.
[16:58] <cjwatson> haha, yes, that would be a slight problem
[16:58] <infinity> Empty pre-live manifest?
[16:58] <cjwatson> um, undetected failure to read manifest.desktop maybe?
[16:58] <infinity> So live - (pre-live) = *
[16:59] <infinity> Yeah.
[16:59] <infinity> It's a fun log, though.
[16:59] <bdmurray> Hmm, I certainly saw that error in some bug
[17:00] <cjwatson> er, except nowadays we explicitly list the packages to remove, I think
[17:00] <cjwatson> filesystem.manifest-remove
[17:01] <cjwatson> confused
[17:42] <cjwatson> well, most of the UI now manages to display with Python 3
[17:43] <cjwatson> (with some uncommitted bytes/unicode fixups)
[17:43] <cjwatson> there's still some bizarre problem somewhere inside StateBox (I think) that's causing a segfault with a trashed stac
[17:43] <cjwatson> k
[18:00] <cjwatson> but, I think it's pub time rather than fighting with python3 any more
[18:01] <stgraber> :)


[00:15] <jelmer> hi Noldorin_
[00:15] <Noldorin_> hey
[00:16] <Noldorin_> what's new? :-)
[00:24] <jelmer> not much, how are you?
[10:01] <mgz> vila: did bug 905361 get merged up?
[10:14] <vila> mgz: meh, no idea :-/
[10:16] <mgz> you marked it Fix Released, so assumed you knew :)
[11:18] <poolie> james_w, vila, i propose to just cut out the problematic openldap package with https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/udd/877827-blacklist/+merge/88348
[11:56] <hrw> hi
[11:56] <hrw> bug 904963 again
[11:56] <hrw> this time with extras: bzrlib.errors.NoSuchFile: No such file: 'lib64gfortran3.symbo-20110107033252-hpy57fuld7pki3s5-113'
[13:26] <jml> is there a way to look at a diff and get the net number of lines added?
[14:18] <Noldorin> how do i commit only selected files in bzr?
[14:18] <Noldorin> exclude is commit -x
[14:18] <Noldorin> but what about include?
[14:19] <ccxCZ> bzr ci file1 file2
[14:23] <Noldorin> ccxCZ: oh, simply arguments heh. thanks
[14:26] <smrln> Good morning, noob bzr question I couldn't find(understand) answer to in bzr help.  When I'm working in branch, and I want to push it to another server for safe keeping, I use bzr push bzr+ssh, and everything works smoothly, except in that location all I have is the .bzr dir, Is there a push command to include the files themselves?
[14:28] <ccxCZ> not easilly, you have to invoke bzr up on the remote side
[14:29] <ccxCZ> there is a plugin that does that automatically (requires second ssh login, which doesn't matter if you have keys)
[14:29] <ccxCZ> well, it's easy, but it's not as flexible as hooks
[14:30] <smrln> So maybe, if I'm not actually working on the branch in the other location, I shouldn't use bzr to back it up to that location?
[14:30] <ccxCZ> bzr co if that branch doesn't have working tree yet
[14:30] <ccxCZ> smrln: the .bzr contains all the history, the files are there only when you want to edit them (it's called working tree)
[14:31] <ccxCZ> so if you only push/pull to that location, not edit there, you don't really need the files there
[14:32] <smrln> Interesting, but if I lost everything, and all I had was that working tree with no files, I could create them from the working tree?
[14:33] <ccxCZ> you mean create working-tree from branch (that's stored inside .bzr)? bzr checkout does that
[14:33] <smrln> great, thanks so much for your help, I understand now
[16:55] <hrw> 'bzr dailydeb' should have --run-in-pbuilder option
[19:05] <xnox> I have a branch on launchpad in 'Bazaar development format - group compression and chk inventory (needs bzr.dev from 1.14)'. How can I branch it / upgrade it? (upgrade on launchpad fails, branching to local fails with UnknownFormatError)
[23:27] <KombuchaKip> Is anyone else finding the nautilus integration slow?
[23:47] <jelmer> KombuchaKip: which nautilus integration are you using? the nautilus3 one?
[23:48] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: Nautilus2 :(
[23:48] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: Or is performance improved with Nuatilus 3?
[23:49] <jelmer> KombuchaKip: it should be a bit better with nautilus 3
[23:49] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: Glad to hear. I'm still running Maverick, unfortunately. :(


[08:47] <KrisJace> in the Ubuntu Touch, could the transparency setting be given to users for the onscreen keyboard??
[08:47] <KrisJace> http://api.sound.com.tw/dev/kris/maliit-concept.jpg
[09:53] <ashshidiq87> test
[10:07] <duflu> sil2100: Hey OTA-14 shows 23 bugs fix committed but the project shows 123 fix committed. Update the milestone?
[10:07] <duflu> I know not all will have made it
[10:10] <sil2100> duflu: hey, what project you mean?
[10:11] <duflu> sil2100: The project which contains OTA-14 :)   https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED
[10:12] <duflu> The project shows 123 fix committed but only 23 are tied to OTA-14?... sounds like a mistake
[10:12] <duflu> Maybe it's not...
[10:12] <sil2100> No
[10:12] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/14 <- this is correct
[10:13] <sil2100> Since this time we prepared OTA-14 snapshot based, so not all committed fixes will be released to stable :)
[10:13] <sil2100> Usually we take rc-proposed and use that as a candidate, here we picked single fixes and made a release out of that
[10:14] <duflu> Oh OK. I still bet more than 23 sneak in
[10:16] <sil2100> I think there might be a bit more, yes
[10:17] <sil2100> Since we did take the whole unity8 stack
[10:17] <sil2100> duflu: will try to update that
[10:18] <duflu> sil2100: Ah, yes exactly. A full stack update will pull in hundreds of changes/fixes :)
[10:18] <sil2100> duflu: anyway, thanks for mentioning this!
[10:19] <duflu> sil2100: No problem. I am preparing to end the day at a sane hour, soon...
[10:36] <KrisJace> http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/12/ubuntu-touch-oosk-qml-hack-for-transparency.html
[13:52] <harirama> http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-articles/2015/09/16/ubuntu-android-installation-process-for-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-e5/#/vanilla/discussion/embed/?vanilla_discussion_id=0
[13:53] <harirama> to launch the download of a file named “SP_Flash_Tool_exe_linux_v5.1424.00.zip”
[13:53] <harirama> i cannot find this file ....
[13:53] <harirama> arghhh
[13:54] <mimecar> https://storage.googleapis.com/otas/2015/Tablets/Freezer%20FHD/Ubuntu/SP_Flash_Tool_exe_Linux_v5.1612.00.100.zip
[13:54] <mimecar> that version should work
[13:55] <mimecar> or you can install ubuntu with flash-tool and ubuntu sdk
[13:55] <OerHeks> http://www.mibqyyo.com/descargas/2015/05/22/herramienta-flash-tool-ubuntu/
[13:55] <OerHeks> mimecar, +1 that is the result
[13:55] <mimecar> there are two ways for ubuntu phone installation
[13:57] <alex-BDA53832477> Hello. I have issues with setting up a build target in Ubuntu sdk and hoped someone might have a clue how I can get this solved. Particularly, the setup exits with the following message "useradd: group '1026' does not exist
[13:57] <alex-BDA53832477> error: exit status 6". 1026 is my user id. Help, anyone? :)
[14:04] <alex-BDA53832477> ok I created a group with id 1026 and now it worked ... never mind ... :)
[14:33] <harirama> mimecar, OerHeks, tnx! I succeeded. Lalalala super.
[18:33] <mikeman> whaaadddup!
[18:35] <mikeman> ubuntu touch to a rooted Nexus 7.... installing from a windows 10 PC. Anybody have a checklist or link?
[18:40] <dobey> mikeman: nexus 7 2013 (early) ?
[18:41] <dobey> mikeman: probably best to boot ubuntu off a usb to do the flash, or in a vm. not sure if anyone's done it from the ubuntu-on-windows thing
[18:43] <mikeman> @dobey, its a little older. I believe its a V2... Ive already rooted it a year ago. btw, my first typo. Its a Nexus 5 rooted. I also have a Nexus 7, but I want Ubuntu touch on the nexus 5
[18:45] <dobey> mikeman: oh ok. for nexus 5 flash on original android 4.4, boot to welcome screen, reboot to bootloader, and basically follow the instructions on ubports.com for it
[18:48] <mikeman> so I basically should be searching for creating and booting custom roms then right? From there I can just keep messing with images until I find one that suits my needs?
[18:49] <mikeman> cuz there are so many different linux flavors i mean
[18:53] <dobey> not sure what you're asking, flashing ubuntu on the device is a fair bit different from flashing jolla or android or others
[18:54] <dobey> but https://ubports.com/ has the details for how to flash ubuntu onto a nexus 5
[18:55] <mikeman> @dobey. Im going to try your USB suggestion with the 2buntu.com tutorial. If its a no go then im just gonna get myself a PI3 for xmas and build. Cheers budz!!!!
[19:07] <mterry> kgunn: you said silo snap didn't work for you -- on classic or vm?  Works for me in classic, about to try vm
[19:08] <kgunn> mterry: on classic
[19:09] <kgunn> lemme try right now...i just removed and reinstalled just in case (as previously i installed on top of another install)
[19:12] <mterry> hm works for me on vm too
[19:23] <kgunn> mterry: mterry: yeah so it worked fine this time
[19:24] <kgunn> so it seems you cannot merely install on top of an existing installed unity8-session snap
[19:28] <mterry> kgunn: so looks like auto-upload to store is *supposed* to work.  But the uploads keep timing out when LP tries to push them to store
[19:28] <mterry> https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+snap/unity8-session-silo/+build/12635 for example
[19:29] <kgunn> interesting
[19:29] <dobey> well i know it works for other people building snaps
[19:29] <dobey> so i presume some odd config issue
[19:30] <mterry> u8 snap is also huge
[19:30] <mterry> Might be stressing something
[19:31] <dobey> true
[19:51] <kgunn> mterry: so is u-s-s the only app that successfully launches atm?
[19:52] <kgunn> ...also,i thot we were going to preinstall terminal app?...did i imagine that?
[19:53] <mterry> kgunn: the terminal *snap* is installed by unity8-install-snap
[19:53] <mterry> Optimistically assuming that snap launching would work
[19:54] <kgunn> mterry: so it _should_ be present in my apps scope?
[19:54] <kgunn> wondering if i'm suffering from early adoption woes'
[19:54] <mterry> kgunn: if "snap list ubuntu-terminal-app" gives good output, yes
[19:55] <kgunn> mterry: oh it's definitely not installed...
[19:55] <kgunn> snap list doesn't show it
[19:55] <mterry> kgunn: run unity8-install-snap and it should be
[19:55] <mterry> unity8-snap-install
[19:55] <mterry> whoops
[19:55] <kgunn> ah...k
[19:55] <kgunn> mterry: is the store version still 277 ?
[19:56] <kgunn> oh must be
[19:56] <kgunn> cause no ted to upload
[19:56] <kgunn> assuming he's still the only gatekeeper on that namespace
[19:56] <mterry> kgunn: yeah... well actually we're digging with some IS / store people.  We're seeing an unexpected timeout when uploading
[19:57] <dobey> err
[19:57] <dobey> kgunn: what *is* in your apps scope?
[19:57] <davmor2> kgunn: iirc it was build automagically when things landed could be dreaming when they said that though :)
[19:57] <kgunn> dobey: atm, ubuntu-browser, clock, u-s-s, chrome
[19:58] <davmor2> kgunn: on the snap in the store there are no apps other system settings because you only install unity8 not the other snaps that unity8-session-install installs along side unity8
[19:58] <dobey> kgunn: is chrome installed as a snap or in a libertine container?
[19:58] <dobey> well actually i guess clock is a snap
[19:59] <dobey> kgunn: unity8 snap on classic?
[19:59] <kgunn> dobey: all of those were/are snaps
[20:00] <dobey> well u-s-s and webbrowser-app i guess are in the u8 snap itself
[20:00] <mterry> not webbrowser-app anymore
[20:00] <dobey> oh it's a snap now?
[20:00] <mterry> We actually intend to put Firefox in there
[20:00] <dobey> yikes
[20:00] <mterry> It does have a snap yeah
[20:01] <mterry> But some UAL issues prevent us from launching FF yet
[20:01] <kgunn> mterry: so unity8-snap-install is supposed to run on it's own upon the first install i suppose?
[20:01] <dobey> doesn't firefox have snaps?
[20:01] <kgunn> ...i'm just having to run manually as early adopter?
[20:01] <mterry> kgunn: no the instructions just say to run it
[20:02] <dobey> i would expect firefox should be a snap
[20:02] <mterry> dobey: that is the eventual intent yes
[20:02] <kgunn> mterry: so it does....my bad
[20:02] <dobey> but anyway, i guess yeah there is some issue with launching snaps from a snap still
[20:02] <dobey> oh probably the unity8 interface stuff?
[20:03] <dobey> because it tries to run unity7 snaps with xmir
[20:03] <dobey> which i guess also still has some problems
[20:03] <dobey> but the unity8 apps really shouldn't be running under xmir, but there's no official u8 interface yet
[20:04] <dobey> mterry: maybe would be a good idea to have the terminal app included in the u8 snap until we get the interface bits sorted there?
[20:04] <dobey> that way devs should at least be able to have a working terminal to debug bits in
[20:04] <mterry> We could, if dropping to a terminal is a problem for people
[20:05] <mterry> But I had expected us to be able to launch snaps already  :)  (it's not an interface thing exactly, just UAL stuff that ted's working on)
[20:05] <dobey> well it's hard to see what's happening on the mir surface when you're over in another vt :)
[20:06] <dobey> mterry: well, there are multiple issues i guess. sdk apps should not be running under xmir; but i don't know if ted was fixing that to happen for the unity7 interface or not
[20:06] <dobey> but i do know he was trying to get a snapd .deb built with a unity8 interface for testing
[20:16] <kgunn> mterry: dobey ok, yeah, now i get all the relevant apps....camera, filebrowser, terminal, calculator etc
[20:16] <kgunn> fwiw, ubuntu-browser seems upgraded
[20:17] <kgunn> ....at least it actually attempts to launch (doesn't disappear immediately..but never succeeds)
[20:17] <mterry> yay
[20:17] <mterry> sorta
[20:17] <kgunn> :)
[20:17] <dobey> cool
[20:18] <kgunn> mterry: curious, how is it that u-s-s actually launches...but all others fail?
[20:18] <kgunn> is it b/c it's not really a separate snap
[20:18] <mterry> kgunn: it is not a snap, it's built in as a legacy app
[20:18] <kgunn> right
[20:46] <pmcgowan> kgunn, mterry can we get the latest up on edge then?
[20:47] <kgunn> unless ted "added" others to his namespace we can't i think....also we really should get mvo to get this uploaded under canonical
[20:51] <dobey> if uploaded under canonical namespace, rights to the package still needs to be shared to each individual who needs to upload it


[03:20] <karstensrage> why was systemd so quickly adopted?
[03:20] <karstensrage> seems a lot of people hate it
[09:30] <darkxst> how do I get pam to spew debug messages? no matter what I try it seems mute (auth    [success=1 default=ignore]      pam_unix.so nullok_secure) does not work under gdm
[11:10] <loganaden> hoi
[11:20] <Unit193> pitti: But 1488962 only fixes it for apache.
[16:33] <leonn> hi, i’ve reported this bug that breaks apticron in xenial https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apticron/+bug/1562229
[16:34] <leonn> i’m not sure if this would be eligible for a fix this late in the cycle, but if it is, i’m wondering if there’s any way i can increase the change for a fix in time for the release
[16:34] <leonn> like, any tags i should add or so
[17:56] <infinity> leonn: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apticron/1.1.58ubuntu1
[18:02] <leonn> infinity, oh wow, that’s the most helpful reaction :-)
[18:02] <leonn> thanks!
[18:02] <infinity> NP.
[19:56] <infinity> xnox:
[19:56] <infinity> ● cpacfstatsd.service - CPACF statistics collection daemon process for Linux on System z
[19:56] <infinity>    Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/cpacfstatsd.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[19:57] <infinity>    Active: failed (Result: resources) since Sun 2016-04-10 19:44:31 UTC; 11min ago
[19:57] <infinity>      Docs: man:cpacfstatsd(8)
[19:57] <infinity>   Process: 500 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/cpacfstatsd (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)