[03:45] <thehcdreamer> ace2016 ok i will right now
[03:45] <Ace2016> why use dvd shrink? aren't there linux apps that can do it?#
[03:45] <stdin> k9copy
[03:45] <neusonce>  yes
[03:45] <neusonce>  BUT THEY ARE KILLING MY SOUL
[03:45] <neusonce>   they fail or there are build errors
[03:46] <neusonce>  and if they do work the final result is
[03:46] <stdin> neusonce: build errors?
[03:46] <neusonce> cringe worthy
[03:46] <neusonce>  when i use dvd9 to 5   .........  build error then the app shuts it self down
[03:47] <nicolai_> neusonce:  system settings -> advanced -> wine -> units and folders (I guess)
[03:47] <stdin> neusonce: maybe ask in #winehq
[03:48] <ksivaji> i have mysql installed on my machine but
[03:48] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~$ mysql -u root
[03:48] <ksivaji> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[03:48] <Ace2016> just use virtualbox with a proper xp install, easier than getting wine to do stuff
[03:48] <ksivaji> stdin : hi
[03:48] <Ace2016> sudo mysql -u root?
[03:49] <ksivaji> Ace2016 no
[03:49] <neusonce> still insalling my updates
[03:49] <Ace2016> neusonce: or try dvdrip, its a nice front end
[03:49] <neusonce>  anotehr 40 minuets
[03:49] <neusonce> dammnit
[03:50] <nicolai_> Ace2016: dvdrip lacks packages (at least it seemed to in my case). It isn't what I would call fuctional.
[03:50] <neusonce> dvd rip
[03:51] <neusonce> makes my head go BOOOOOM
[03:51] <neusonce>  its really confusing
[03:53] <Ace2016> what does it lack?
[03:54] <nicolai_> Ace2016: I can't remeber. It just cited a long list of dependencies, not all of whom existed in the repositories.
[03:54] <nicolai_> And I have enabled restricted, multiverse and medibuntu
[03:56] <SeicherlBoB> hi guys! can someone help me to mount an external HDD via USB that was created on Mac OS X? it's not found by the system automatically, now i found it's place on the usb - but i dont know the filesystem. can someone help me please??
[03:56] <noaxess_kubuntu> SeicherlBoB: nice name you have :)
[03:57] <SeicherlBoB> thanks... ;) can you help me?
[03:57] <noaxess_kubuntu> ok.. mac os x has unix in the background, darwin linux i think..
[03:57] <noaxess_kubuntu> have you a mac to connect it?
[03:57] <thehcdreamer> i have another question, how can I know my version of KDE (2-3 or 4)?
[03:57] <noaxess_kubuntu> or is it the primary hd for your mac os x?
[03:57] <SeicherlBoB> no, no mac i my range
[03:57] <noaxess_kubuntu> all to SeicherlBoB
[03:58] <stdin> thehcdreamer: in any kde app go to Help > About KDE, or run "kde-config --version"
[03:58] <SeicherlBoB> no its an external disc with stuff i need now on another computer
[03:58] <thehcdreamer> thanks
[03:58] <nicolai_> thehcdreamer: right click panel, choose help -> about KDE
[03:58] <noaxess_kubuntu> SeicherlBoB: ok, can you connect it to your mac os x?
[03:58] <SeicherlBoB> no, i got no mac here
[03:58] <noaxess_kubuntu> ok
[03:58] <SeicherlBoB> but it used to work
[03:58] <noaxess_kubuntu> what /dev it has?
[03:59] <SeicherlBoB> i tried to connect it to my windows machine, but no partition was found
[03:59] <noaxess_kubuntu> on your kubuntu, disconnect it, open syslog or tail -f /var/log/messages and connect the external hd.. then you see what /devsd?? it takes
[03:59] <SeicherlBoB> i read trough /dev/bus/usb/devices and found it at bus 01, lev 01, prnt 01 prot 03 cnt 01
[04:00] <SeicherlBoB> moment...
[04:02] <Knight_Lord> How can I change kmail default web viewer?
[04:02] <stdin> Knight_Lord: system settings > default applications
[04:03] <Knight_Lord> stdin is there a way i can get there without using kde?
[04:04] <Knight_Lord> i'm using windowmaker as my window manager
[04:04] <koomi> lo
[04:04] <Assid> hey
[04:04] <stdin> Knight_Lord: you can set the system default browser for all users with "sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser"
[04:04] <Assid> how do i get kopete to search by the username/alias
[04:05] <Assid> like searching by the msn id
[04:05] <Knight_Lord> stdin and will i be able to use opera as my browser like that?
[04:05] <Dr_willis> run the kde configuration panel program manually i guess..
[04:05] <stdin> Knight_Lord: maybe, never tried
[04:06] <Assid> err.. anyone here have one of those multimedia keyboards?
[04:06] <noaxess_kubuntu> ups... x restart :)
[04:06] <farf> hi
[04:06] <Assid> how do i program the browser button ?
[04:06] <Assid> it doesnt seem to do anything
[04:06] <stdin> !Shortcuts
[04:07] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[04:07] <noaxess_kubuntu> have hardinfo, even if i click on a category then x crashes and restarts..
[04:07] <noaxess_kubuntu> any idea?
[04:08] <Knight_Lord> stdin whatl's the executable for the kde control center?
[04:08] <Ace2016> nicolai_: i just installed it fine
[04:08] <stdin> Knight_Lord: the control center is kcontrol, the kubuntu control center is systemsettings
[04:09] <neusonce> you guyss
[04:09] <neusonce>  I HEART YOU ALL
[04:09] <nicolai_> Ace2016: I take back what I said about DVD::Rip. I just tested it and it seems all the issues have gone away. Perhaps the packages have been included since I tested the program in early May.
[04:09] <neusonce>  youre like dr phil you just wanna help people
[04:09] <mike> Anyone know how to help with k3b here?
[04:10] <stdin> !anyone | mike
[04:10] <ubotu> mike: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."   I have the output if there is a place to post it
[04:11] <stdin> tough :p
[04:11] <nicolai_> Ace2016: It wasn't the install that used to give errors. It was the program that kept complaing once you opened it. But now it works, and I haven't touched it since back then.
[04:11] <neusonce> !hate
[04:11] <ubotu> hate is a thing we don't encourage - why waste your energy
[04:11] <stdin> mike: post it to pastebin
[04:11] <nicolai_> *even though I hadn't touched it
[04:11] <stdin> !paste
[04:11] <mike> it looks like WODIM wont read teh capabilities of the drive correctly
[04:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:13] <mike> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32375/
[04:14] <Dr_willis> hmmm...
[04:14] <Dr_willis> Popular desktop Linux distribution MEPIS is switching from Ubuntu back to Debian in its next release. The alpha version is now available.
[04:14] <Dr_willis> Popular?
[04:15] <stdin> mike: so what's the error?
[04:16] <thoreauputic> Dr_willis: the funny part is that they claim it's because they want more regular updates, and they are going with Debian Etch :)
[04:16] <thehcdreamer> when i'm trying to run ./configure, it get this error:checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries
[04:16] <Dr_willis> Yea - i found that claim some what.. flakey..
[04:16] <stdin> !compile | thehcdreamer
[04:16] <ubotu> thehcdreamer: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:16] <mike> says probably a buffer underun, try slower speed. Tried all speeds no go
[04:16] <stdin> thehcdreamer: you need xorg-dev
[04:16] <Dr_willis> people are 'update to the latest version addicts' it seems...
[04:17] <mike> line 60 in the paste shows Supported modes: blank
[04:17] <Dr_willis> I find it hard to put trust in a disrto that does such racical changes every few months..
[04:17] <thehcdreamer> stdin, thanks
[04:17] <mike> line 64 & 65 shows illegal mode for this drive?
[04:18] <stdin> mike: try burning is sao ?
[04:19] <mike> k3b dont give me teh option, tried gnomebaker, and tried all modes listeed in it, same eror
[04:19] <mike> even raw errors with illegal write mode for this drive?
[04:19] <noaxess_kubuntu> there is an option to install kubuntu 7.04 with driver update cd.. where can i get this?
[04:22] <genii> noaxess_kubuntu: If you had some piece of equipment that came with a driver disk for ubuntu you would put the driver disk in at that point
[04:23] <noaxess_kubuntu> genii: ok.. i see.. there is the message "please instert the driver cd and press enter" :))
[04:27] <Kostuch> wassup, i've just move from opensuse to kubuntu, where i can change resolution? (there i had sax2)
[04:27] <Dr_willis> You got the proper video card drivers set up yet? Nvidia/ati/other?
[04:27] <Kostuch> nividia
[04:27] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[04:27] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:28] <Dr_willis> I always install the 'restricted-manager' program and let it install the nvidia card drivers for me. ;)
[04:28] <Dr_willis> !info restricted-manager
[04:28] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 300 kB
[04:28] <BluesKaj> Kostuch:  k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/admin mode
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Yea. if the drivers are set up right - you shoudl be able to change the res's where BluesKaj  said.
[04:29] <Dr_willis> Some times ya got to tweak them a little manually.
[04:29] <daquino> every time i run apt-get it keeps telling i can remove a bunch of packages if i feel like it cause they aren't needed anymore but really they are needed !!! they are like knotes and other stuff...
[04:30] <Kostuch> ok the screen wast ok :D icons were too big (as for me :D)
[04:30] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis: yup, usually depends on the drivers :)
[04:31] <Kostuch> thx
[04:31] <imagine> is there an option with ssh to force it to not use ssh-key and ask for a password straight away ?
[04:35] <andersin> imagine: you can use your ssh_config with the PubkeyAuthentication config option
[04:35] <jhutchins> imagine: That's what mine does by default.
[04:36] <andersin> jhutchins: really, as far as I know, the default is first key and then password
[04:36] <imagine> yes.. I want the opposite to happen
[04:37] <swilson> does anyone know how to stop this "cannot create directory `/usr/local/firefox': Permission denied"
[04:38] <jhutchins> swilson: Did you run a gui application with sudo?
[04:38] <swilson> i dont know what that is
[04:38] <swilson> i just followed the directions off the site
[04:39] <runlevelten> what site?
[04:39] <swilson> im new to linux
[04:39] <runlevelten> did you install firefox properly using apt/synaptic/add remove programs, or did you download it from the firefox website?
[04:39] <swilson> a website
[04:39] <swilson> my adpt thingy is messed up i think
[04:40] <swilson> it doesnt install things and im missing files and stuff
[04:40] <andersin> imagine: edit your .ssh/config
[04:40] <imagine> kk
[04:40] <imagine> will do
[04:40] <andersin> and try PubkeyAuthentication no
[04:40] <andersin> or PreferredAuthentication keyboard
[04:41] <andersin> and if you only want this for a particular host, you can put Host www.example.com before that
[04:41] <andersin> if you want all hosts, try Host *
[04:41] <runlevelten> swilson: you'll have to fix that problem before you do anything else. You can't go around finding every app you want in a web browser and downloading it, that's not user friendly at all
[04:41] <runlevelten> How do you know it's not installing programs?
[04:42] <swilson> i dont know how to use linux
[04:43] <swilson> do what fire?
[04:43] <jhutchins> swilson: Well, first off, when something like adept is broken, you don't work around it and try to keep going, you fix it.
[04:43] <BluesKaj> what's the proper setting in xkb options for turning off capslock ... i find the settings under capslock key behaviour confusing to say the least :)
[04:43] <swilson> well i dont know how to use the packages in the first place
[04:43] <Assid> err.. how do i check whether my filesystem will allow largefile ?
[04:44] <runlevelten> That's cool. We all start out new at some point. If you use adept or synaptic and install stuff, you won;t get an installer pop up like in windows.
[04:44] <swilson> i just know that there are like 5 things that still need to be installed
[04:44] <runlevelten> swilson: it just does its business, then you look in your menu and find it (if appropriate)
[04:44] <nicolai_> !aptfix | swilson
[04:44] <ubotu> swilson: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:45] <runlevelten> right. I must leave you in the hands of the other users swilson. Be lucky :)
[04:45] <Assid> tune2fs right ?
[04:45] <swilson> it didnt crash it just wont install the rest of what it was installing :(
[04:45] <swilson> bye and thanks
[04:45] <swilson> whats !aptfix? do i type that in the terminal thing?
[04:46] <_Shade_> can i install kde4 beta on kubuntu feisty?
[04:50] <Assid> hey. how do i know if the filesystem can hold more than 2GB files.
[04:51] <Assid> Filesystem features:      has_journal resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file
[04:51] <genii> 2Gb should be no problem if the drive is not smaller than that
[04:52] <genii> 2Tb might be another issue
[04:52] <Assid> err. abovve
[04:52] <Assid> i know you need this large filesystem support to handle over 2GB
[04:54] <bjwebb> hi
[05:02] <berkes> does anyone know where I can find some general IRC stats? I am looking for a rough estimation of amount users on various networks.
[05:05] <Ahmuck> what type of wireless discovery tools are available for kubuntu?
[05:07] <BluesKaj> berkes: uhm this ain't the right room for that .
[05:09] <stdin> Ahmuck: knetowrkmanager for a GUI or "iwlist scan" for CLI
[05:10] <Ahmuck> k, i have knetworkmanager installed, but maybe i am missing something, as it's not picking up my home wireless
[05:11] <bjwebb> Ahmuck: is your card supported?
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> Ahmuck: are you using ndiswrapper?
[05:15] <Ahmuck> nosrednaekim: i tired ndiswrapper, but it did not work, so i used bcm-fwcutter
[05:15] <Ahmuck> and now the wireless is working, but it does not appear to be picking up an ip address
[05:16] <Ahmuck> in windows there is this program called net something that will allow you to see different networks as you come in range of them
[05:16] <Ahmuck> i was hoping for something similiar in linux
[05:16] <stdin> yeah, that's knetworkmanager in kubuntu
[05:17] <Ahmuck> hrm, i guess i need to go to the local library and see if i can pick up there.  i have a presentation there this evening
[05:17] <elite101> hey how do u uninstall programs from wine?
[05:17] <stdin> Ahmuck: see if you can find any access points in konsole "iwlist scan"
[05:17] <Ahmuck> ptlo        Interface doesn't support scanning.
[05:17] <Ahmuck> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[05:17] <Ahmuck> eth1      No scan results
[05:18] <Ahmuck> elite101: depending on your version of wine, there is a menu item that allows you to do this
[05:18] <elite101> ahh
[05:18] <Ahmuck> system --> wine uninstaller
[05:18] <elite101> well i probably have older version
[05:18] <stdin> elite101: try wineconfig and winecfg too
[05:18] <elite101> well i am installing XBC and there is no unistaller for the program
[05:19] <nomad111> to run graphical apps as root in kubuntu, should i use gksu ?
[05:19] <nomad111> or just sudo?
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> Ahmuck: what does iwconfig say?
[05:19] <nomad111> oh actually its kdesu
[05:19] <Ahmuck> nomad111: i use sudo
[05:19] <nomad111> forgot all about it
[05:19] <Ahmuck> th1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"Sparrow"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4306"
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Mode:Managed  Frequency=2.484 GHz  Access Point: Invalid
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Bit Rate=11 Mb/s   Tx-Power=19 dBm
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Link Quality=0/100  Signal level=-256 dBm  Noise level=-256 dBm
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[05:19] <Ahmuck>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[05:20] <Ahmuck> ah, so it looks like it's connected?
[05:20] <nomad111> for some reason my ntfs external hard disk is not getting mounted
[05:20] <elite101> how do i run a program without shortcuts? wine>xbc? in konsole
[05:21] <Ahmuck> brb, i am going to check the ssid of the router
[05:21] <nomad111> !ntfs
[05:21] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:21] <nosrednaekim> !paste | Ahmuck
[05:21] <ubotu> Ahmuck: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:21] <elite101> how do i run a program without a shourtcut from WINE?
[05:22] <Ahmuck> elite101: create a shortcut on your menu
[05:22] <elite101> how?
[05:22] <elite101> ohh lol
[05:22] <elite101> k
[05:22] <elite101> 1sec
[05:22] <elite101> k how do i configure it?
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> elite101: the menu?
[05:23] <stdin> elite101: you run (or make a shortcut with the command), wine /path/to/file.exe (or wine "c:\Program Files\App\app.exe" )
[05:23] <elite101> okay
[05:23] <Ahmuck> whoot, it's working !!
[05:23] <elite101> but there is one prob
[05:24] <elite101> when i installed XBC there is only a skin builder and not the acutal program?
[05:24] <elite101> not even in the WINE menu
[05:24] <nosrednaekim> Ahmuck: wrong essid?
[05:24] <stdin> elite101: try the wine site or support channel #winehq
[05:25] <Ahmuck> nosrednaekim: no, the wireless strobes ... so it goes on/off until i tell it to connect.  not sure why, but i noticed it ealier
[05:25] <Ahmuck> maybe i'm just imagining things
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> thats odd.
[05:25] <nosrednaekim> it may be the slightly unstable driver.
[05:26] <nomad111> i really dont get this
[05:26] <nomad111> one of my external hardisk's partitions is not getting mounted
[05:27] <nomad111> and i cant figure out why
[05:27] <nomad111> its ntfs
[05:27] <runlevelten> caveat: some (a fair few) windows programs being run under wine require you to cd /path/to/the.exe && wine the.exe
[05:30] <swilson> my packet manager wont open how do i erase the last entry?
[05:30] <nomad111> how do i get it to mount correctly
[05:30] <nomad111> when i plug in the hdd
[05:31] <nomad111> the fat 32 partition is detected
[05:31] <nomad111> and the i also get the autorun dialog for the ntfs partition but when i choose to browse nothing happens
[05:43] <ryaren> hi
[05:43] <ryaren> I've just installed the latest 9639 nvidia driver but it doesn't work because of fail to load nvidia kernel module . dmesg says module is loaded but the type of this module is 7184.
[05:43] <ryaren>  I think this is the problem but I don't know how to fix it...
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> you need to recompile the kernel module.  did you install from the repos?
[05:45] <ryaren> repos?
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> repositories
[05:45] <ryaren> I installed that file what i downloaded from nvidia.com
[05:45] <Daisuke_Ido> well that wasn't very bright
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !nvidia
[05:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> and...
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !repos
[05:46] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:46] <combo> - how to turn on a transparency on K-panel?
[05:46] <Daisuke_Ido> both of those will help you out tremendously :)
[05:46] <stdin> ryaren: you'll have to remove the driver you installed before you install the package
[05:47] <ryaren> I removed
[05:47] <stdin> combo: right click > configure panel >appearance
[05:47] <combo> ok - i made it (sry ;P)
[05:47] <combo> stdin: found that - thx :)
[05:50] <ryaren> Do I have to remove nvidia-common package?
[05:51] <stdin> no, you need that for the package to work
[05:51] <ryaren> ok
[05:53] <ninher> hi
[05:54] <runlevelten> Hello.
[05:57] <applesin> hi all. can some body say why i (yesterday it worked, now - so) see on loading: "waiting for root file system" /dev/xxx does not exist, next i see busybox (ls /dev - empty). from the live-cd all my /dev/xxx is working
[05:58] <drgeb> anyone know why when I reboot my drives are mapped differently ? so drive that used to be /dev/sda is now /dev/sdg? I have 6 drives in my computer.
[06:01] <andre_pl> what repo do I have to add in order to install kde4 beta 1 on ubuntu (not kubuntu, I am currently using gnome)
[06:02] <stdin> andre_pl: it's not quite ready on feisty yet, it will be in -backports tho
[06:07] <jhutchins> drgeb: Use UUID's.  It's a kludge, but it works.
[06:08] <jhutchins> applesin: That might solve your problems as well.
[06:09] <applesin> jhutchins: UUID?
[06:09] <andre_pl> stdin, do I need to add a kubuntu repository? or just add backports to the normal line in apt?
[06:10] <jhutchins> !uuid | applesin
[06:10] <ubotu> applesin: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:10] <stdin> andre_pl: they'll be in -backports, no need fot a kubuntu.org repository
[06:10] <pag> andre_pl, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu all share the same repositories
[06:10] <andre_pl> i thought so, i wasnt 100% sure thougrh.
[06:11] <stdin> pag: the kde4 packages used to be in a kubuntu.org repo
[06:11] <andre_pl> I really want to move back to KDE, I missed it.
[06:11] <applesin> jhutchins: i have no problems to get access to devices from live-cd
[06:11] <pag> stdin, two months ago iirc :)
[06:11] <stdin> yep :p
[06:11] <sharris> davie
[06:12] <drforshaw> hi there buddy1
[06:12] <jhutchins> applesin: That's a completely different system.  /dev on the CD is not /dev on the HD.
[06:12] <sharris> found a new site
[06:12] <drforshaw> i wee both did
[06:12] <miles> hey im just letting you guys know, ive been tearing it up on linux all day at work
[06:12] <sharris> http:www.scotziamodz.com
[06:12] <drforshaw> visit now www.scotziamodz.co.uk and join the forum!
[06:12] <jhutchins> !spam
[06:12] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[06:13] <stdin> !ot | sharris, drforshaw
[06:13] <ubotu> sharris, drforshaw: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:13] <drforshaw> thanks
[06:16] <swilson> se i cant open my packet manager
[06:16] <swilson> lame
[06:16] <su-hoens`rZ> anyone know why the kubuntu alt cd installer doesn't locate 3 of my 4 sata drives even though the bios and the main cd find them fine? :(
[06:17] <pag> swilson, any error?
[06:17] <swilson> can someone tell me how to delete repositories
[06:17] <swilson> well
[06:17] <stdin> swilson: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list <- to edit repositories
[06:17] <pag> swilson, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list  and comment / delete the unneeded ones
[06:19] <swilson> holy wow thanks
[06:23] <lemacs> hi, any ArchLinux User here?
[06:24] <cloakable> No, we're Kubuntu users :P
[06:24] <applesin>  #archlinux
[06:24] <apachelogger> indeed :P
[06:24] <lemacs> applesin: thx
[06:25] <lemacs> cloakable: i'm a kubuntu user for years. but now i am going to switch to archlinux
[06:25] <cloakable> lemacs: good luck :)
[06:26] <swilson> what does "su: Authentication failure" mean? and why does the thing keep sayin permission denied?
[06:26] <pacman_> I'm having a problem with my wireless...anytime I attempt to connect, it goes to 28% and says 'configuring device' but goes no further...
[06:26] <pag> !root | swilson
[06:26] <ubotu> swilson: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:27] <swilson> i thought the password was my login >.< i didnt know there was another password
[06:27] <pag> swilson, depends... what command are you trying to run
[06:28] <swilson> im trying to install firefox and it said to do that before # mv firefox* /usr/local/bin/
[06:28] <pag> oh.. wrong way.
[06:28] <swilson> when i got further it said permission denied when i tried to move it to usr/local
[06:28] <pag> !software | swilson
[06:28] <ubotu> swilson: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[06:28] <sudeep> any way to have "Computer" icon on destkop??
[06:28] <pag> swilson, so in short: open konsole and type: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:29] <jhutchins> Can we put a big, blinking window on the default desktop that says "DO NOT INSTALL FIREFOX FROM THE MOZILLA WEB SITE!"?
[06:29] <applesin> s/mozilla-firefox/opera/
[06:29] <sudeep>  any way to have "Computer" icon on destkop??
[06:29] <pag> sudeep, yeah. Should it also do something? :P
[06:29] <lemacs> jhutchins: why?
[06:29] <pacman_> I'm having a problem with my wireless...anytime I attempt to connect, it goes to 28% and says 'configuring device' but goes no further...
[06:29] <jhutchins> !firefox
[06:29] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[06:30] <stdin> sudeep: just create a link to "system:/"
[06:30] <jhutchins> lemacs: Installing packages outside the apt system breaks the system; mozilla's installers are notoriously sloppy and leave permanent garbage on your disk, there's no need to...
[06:32] <lemacs> jhutchins: got it. you means they should install firefox from apt-get.
[06:32] <sudeep> i have 2 win partition, C & D, both are mounted automatically, but one (C) is shown in my desktop while other is not (D), also in fstab there is no UUID for D drive, is this the reason , ?
[06:33] <lemacs> sudeep: you can edit /etc/fstab manually
[06:34] <sudeep> lamacs, can i give UUID manually to vfat partition ??
[06:34] <stdin> lemacs: there is also a GUI in system settings
[06:34] <stdin> sudeep: ^ for you too
[06:35] <stdin> sudeep: to get the UUID use the command line tool "blkid" in konsole
[06:35] <lemacs> sudeep: no, you can just use "/dev/sda1" instead of uuid
[06:35] <stdin> sudeep: or "vol_id -u /dev/whatever"
[06:35] <jenny__> Mornin :)
[06:36] <swilson> i can see firefox and macromedia thing in add/remove but i cant click on anything
[06:37] <sharris> what other rooms is there on here?
[06:37] <pag> swilson, try apt-get - it at least has reasonable error-messages
[06:38] <jhutchins> !uuid | sudeep
[06:38] <ubotu> sudeep: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:38] <pag> sharris, lots of. too many to list.
[06:38] <sharris> how do you access them>
[06:38] <calicampo> Hello, how can I mount a floppy disk in ubuntu, I am having troubles with the sda1
[06:38] <pag> sharris, /join #channelname
[06:38] <pag> !floppy | calicampo
[06:38] <ubotu> calicampo: To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[06:38] <sharris> thanks you
[06:38] <_Shade_> anyone tried the kde4 beta?
[06:39] <jhutchins> sharris: Theare are literally thousands of channels, if you do a /list it will probably blow you right off the server.
[06:39] <calicampo> thanks
[06:39] <stdin> sharris: there is a list of ubuntu channels here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#head-729211ea4fb3c5b535d3d8a533dbc007c8dbce14
[06:39] <pag> _Shade_, it hasn't really hit the servers yet..
[06:39] <jhutchins> sharris: Your IRC client may have a channel search function, or you can find a searchable list at freenode.
[06:39] <H4xC0r> hi a lot
[06:40] <combo> - where can i find a guide 'how to install AIGLX for ATI on DAPPER DRAKE' ?? :)
[06:40] <_Shade_> pag: really? so what did i download :)
[06:40] <H4xC0r> i would you like to add the new exploit in my metasploit framwork-2.7?
[06:40] <jhutchins> !ati | combo
[06:40] <ubotu> combo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:40] <pacman_> 3992 channels
[06:40] <combo> jhutchins: thx :)
[06:40] <pag> _Shade_, apt-cache policy kde4base  <- what does that tell
[06:41] <stdin> combo: AIGLX doesn't work on ATI (at least not for dapper)
[06:41] <swilson> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[06:41] <swilson> everything i do it always says denied
[06:41] <_Shade_> pag:  3.91.0-0ubuntu3~feisty1
[06:41] <pag> _Shade_, looks like alpha2
[06:42] <_Shade_> pag: damn
[06:42] <pag> swilson, you have adept open?
[06:42] <swilson> no i closed it
[06:42] <swilson> do i need it open?
[06:42] <pag> !aptfix | swilson
[06:42] <ubotu> swilson: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:43] <_Shade_> pag: i wanted to give it a go but when i select it's session in kdm all i got is an empty black screen for a second and then it goes back to my login screen
[06:43] <Assid> hey
[06:43] <Assid> can someone help me get a scanner working with kubuntu
[06:43] <Assid> ive just recently installed it.. and i cant seem to set this to do it
[06:44] <swilson> i have 7 packages and they say "BREAK"install" but whats with the permission denied
[06:44] <pag> _Shade_, well.. even beta1 doesn't probably work correctly - alpha2 "works" even worse
[06:44] <feierfox> how to clean the history in the konquerer?
[06:44] <_Shade_> pag: but maybe i could log into this somehow?
[06:44] <combo> stdin: so where i can find XGL installation guide? :/ i just want to make my screensaver work well (cuz now - rendering: NO) it works horrible :/
[06:45] <pag> _Shade_, see the instructions at kubuntu.org - I haven't tried kde4, so I can't really help
[06:45] <Assid> combo your using nvidia ?
[06:45] <stdin> combo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[06:45] <combo> Assid: ATI
[06:45] <combo> Assid: ATI Radeon 9600
[06:45] <combo> stdin: ok, i'll try that
[06:46] <_Shade_> pag: well they suggest to use xephyr-xserver and start kde from it's xterm but i don't know how can i call the xterm in xephyr
[06:46] <pag> feierfox, settings -> configure konqueror -> history sidebar -> clear
[06:47] <stdin> _Shade_: the guide tells you the command to run
[06:47] <_Shade_> stdin: yeah it's Xephyr :1; export DISPLAY=:1; xterm but it doesn't open any xterm window
[06:48] <_Shade_> stdin: just a separate window with xephyr running and a pointer
[06:48] <stdin> _Shade_: what page is that from?
[06:49] <_Shade_> stdin: kubuntu.org
[06:49] <stdin> _Shade_: the alpha2 page or the beta1 page?
[06:49] <_Shade_> stdin: the beta one
[06:50] <stdin> _Shade_: refresh the page, it's beed updated
[06:51] <_Shade_> stdin: i think it's all the same command though
[06:52] <stdin> _Shade_: nope, tere's an '&' in there now
[06:52] <_Shade_> stdin: i have it at least
[06:53] <_Shade_> stdin: i don't have it... could you please paste what they wrote then?
[06:53] <stdin> _Shade_: "Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm"
[06:54] <ackbahr> Hi there! Is there a way to make Ubuntu accept some HD space as fake RAM? I've got this RAM expensive calculation that needn't be real-time....
[06:55] <stdin> ackbahr: that's what swap is for
[06:55] <llutz> ackbahr: add a swapfile if needed
[06:55] <swilson> how come i can see the programs in add/remove but i cant click on the box?
[06:56] <pag> swilson, have you ran it with kdesu ? (iow. have you entered your passwd before the app launched?)
[06:57] <swilson> i havent the slightest idea as to what that is but i made it to a password thing after "su" and it said authenticate failure
[06:57] <_Shade_> stdin: ok it works but i have this "csn't open home/user/.kde4/share/config/startupconfig"
[06:58] <stdin> _Shade_: try this "cp ~/.kde/share/config/startupconfig ~/.kde4/share/config/startupconfig"
[06:58] <pag> swilson, try kdesu adept_installer  from the alt+f2 -prompt
[06:58] <ackbahr> stdin: Well, I have a swap partition of course, but the prog I have doesn't seem to take it into account (crashes when I suggest it to use a memory < RAM + Swap)....
[06:59] <_Shade_> stdin: you mean in xephyr or just in my usual session? or it doesn;t matter
[06:59] <stdin> _Shade_: doens't matter
[06:59] <swilson> in short it said "bad device" and "Illegal priority: rompt"
[06:59] <jhutchins> !info xephyr
[06:59] <ubotu> Package xephyr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:59] <stdin> ackbahr: well any swap file will be used the same as swap partition
[07:00] <jhutchins> !find xephyr
[07:00] <ubotu> Found: xserver-xephyr
[07:00] <ackbahr> stdin: Ok.... So I can go and buy RAM, I reckon?
[07:00] <jhutchins> !info xerver-xephyr
[07:00] <ubotu> Package xerver-xephyr does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:00] <pag> ok... I always thought Adept was buggy, but I never knew it was *so* buggy :-/
[07:00] <jhutchins> !info xserver-xephyr
[07:00] <ubotu> xserver-xephyr: Next Generation Nested X Server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:1.2.0-3ubuntu8 (feisty), package size 1523 kB, installed size 3844 kB
[07:00] <pag> swilson, try apt-get - it doesn't have a fancy GUI, but at least it works
[07:01] <pag> swilson, ie. sudo apt-get install firefox  will install firefox and so on..
[07:02] <ackbahr> llutz: Were you suggesting a swap partition, too?
[07:02] <swilson> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[07:02] <pag> !aptfix | swilson
[07:02] <ubotu> swilson: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:02] <swilson> its not crashed
[07:02] <swilson> i can open and close it
[07:03] <llutz> ackbahr: if your swap isn't used yet, a swapfile is useless
[07:03] <pag> swilson, open konsole and type " id "  can you see adm and/or admin there?
[07:03] <ackbahr> llutz: And if it is (wouldn't hibernate, for example), how do I set a swap file?
[07:04] <swilson> groups=4(adm)
[07:04] <swilson> 111(admin)
[07:04] <pag> swilson, try running that command the ubotu gave you - might be malformed lockfile
[07:05] <llutz> ackbahr: http://nopaste.org/p/a0EJy3gTs
[07:05] <stdin> swilson: use sudo
[07:05] <ackbahr> llutz: Great, thanks
[07:05] <swilson> apparently i dont have that command and sudo what?
[07:06] <pag> swilson, "you don't have that command"? :O
[07:06] <swilson> bash: ubotu: command not found
[07:06] <swilson> im so new to linux sorry to bother you >.<
[07:07] <harmental> guys...i was wondering if it possible to make Konversation transparent (as with Konsole)...but i dont find the way to do that...any hints?
[07:08] <lopin> Okay, anyone up for a challenge?
[07:08] <pag> swilson, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a   <- that command
[07:09] <swilson> kill process?
[07:09] <pag> huh
[07:10] <swilson> Kill process 6014 ? (y/N)
[07:10] <Jan-Willem> hi
[07:10] <pag> swilson, you should colse adept(s)
[07:10] <pag> Jan-Willem, hello.
[07:11] <lopin> Okay...  If anyone knows a LOT about partitioning and booting off of floppies...  Get a hold of me, cause I need help...
[07:11] <swilson> okay i closed it and now it didnt say anything when i typed it in
[07:11] <stdin> just ask the question, or no one can answer lopin
[07:11] <pag> swilson, try now: sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:13] <swilson> i dont think it worked it said done done Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:13] <pag> swilson, replace firefox with  mozilla-firefox
[07:13] <swilson> i dont know how to do that >.> i dont even know where it is
[07:13] <stdin> is that breezy or somethin
[07:13] <Jan-Willem> any1 knows about health chatroom?
[07:13] <pag> swilson, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:14] <swilson> oh
[07:14] <lopin> I started out trying to move some free space off of my windows partition to put some more space onto my document drive so I could finish transfering my music and stuff over, but partition magic won't start, cause it can't place one partition to a drive letter.  I thought about doing it in linux, but it won't play nice with the lovely NTFS, so I'm pretty much out of one of my OS's...  I was thinking about getting rid of windows, but then I won't be able to
[07:14] <lopin> boot, cause I have linux outside of the boot sector, so does anyone know of some way to partition off of a boot FLOPPY, cuase I can't boot off of CD or USB?...
[07:14] <_Shade_> stdin: i don't know whether it's alpha or beta but i have to say it's damn fast... maybe it's because there's not much here yet :)
[07:14] <su-hoens> so i tried dmraid -ay but it said no raid disks, when i do dmraid -b, however, it finds all 4 sata drives... wtf?
[07:14] <su-hoens> so i tried dmraid -ay but it said no raid disks, when i do dmraid -b, however, it finds all 4 sata drives... wtf?
[07:15] <su-hoens> oops sry
[07:15] <swilson> it did the same thing but now it doesnt say "However the following packages replace it:libnss3"
[07:15] <stdin> _Shade_: did it have plasma? if it did then it was the beta, if not then it's alpha2
[07:15] <_Shade_> stdin: i don't eb
[07:16] <pag> swilson, which version are you running? type: lsb_release -a
[07:16] <_Shade_> sprry
[07:16] <_Shade_> stdin: i don't even know how can i check it
[07:16] <swilson> this? Release:        6.06
[07:16] <swilson> Description:    Ubuntu 6.06 LTS
[07:16] <pag> swilson, yup, that.
[07:17] <_Shade_> stdin: but i think it doesn't
[07:17] <_Shade_> but who knows... :)
[07:17] <lopin> Can anyone help me...
[07:17] <stdin> !anyone | lopin
[07:17] <ubotu> lopin: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:18] <pag> swilson, try with adept...
[07:18] <lopin> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO BOOT GPARTED OFF OF A FLOPPY?!
[07:19] <swilson> what do you mean?
[07:19] <pag> !caps | lopin
[07:19] <ubotu> lopin: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:19] <lopin> I need to boot a partition editor off of a floppy disk...
[07:19] <lopin> ubotu: I know...  I'm trying to express my frustration...
[07:19] <pag> swilson, launch adept manager, type firefox and see if you can install it
[07:20] <Assid> err.. anyone knowe any good X downloader ?  similar to the likes of getright
[07:20] <swilson> in add/remove programs i saw alot of things i tried to install but couldnt click on it
[07:20] <stdin> _Shade_: does it look like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10897810@N05/998235343/
[07:20] <Ahmuck> hi.  there is some movie studio software called jok something?  anybody remember
[07:21] <swilson> in addept i see "libraw1394-5" and "mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb
[07:21] <swilson> adept*
[07:21] <stdin> check your repositories
[07:21] <Assid> anyone ?
[07:22] <ChurruKa> hi! i've just installed kubuntu and, when i start, kernel panics with a "init: Error parsing configuration: No such file or directory". /etc is on a separate ext3 partition and i think that's the problem. do i need to load something or pass extra config parameters to the kernel at boot to mount /boot before init starts?
[07:24] <_Shade_> stdin: it's very simillar but not quite like this... but i think the only difference is that i haven't got so many kicker icons
[07:24] <genii> ChurruKa: You have /boot and /etc and /  on separate partitions?
[07:24] <ChurruKa> yes
[07:25] <llutz> ChurruKa: who told you to do so? stupid idea (imho)
[07:25] <stdin> _Shade_: that's ok, as long as that background looks the same it's got plasma in there. try moving your mouse over the "Desktop Toolbox"
[07:26] <ChurruKa> :(
[07:26] <genii> ChurruKa: OK, are you on a livecd right now?
[07:26] <_Shade_> stdin: it shows two plasmoids i think
[07:26] <ChurruKa> yes
[07:26] <_Shade_> the clock and the button
[07:27] <genii> Churruka: Do you know the exact partitions you used for each of those? eg: hda3 for /etc or so on
[07:27] <stdin> _Shade_: when kicker eventually get's replaced plasmoids will come in to their own
[07:27] <ChurruKa> yes
[07:27] <ChurruKa> ....
[07:28] <ChurruKa> no, wait a second, i'll mount the root somewhere to see fstab
[07:28] <AscendedDaniel_> my Knetworkmanager hangs at 28% when trying to configure my usb-wifi adapter (Netgear WG111v2). What should I try to make it work?
[07:28] <genii> ChurruKa: OK
[07:28] <genii> AFK 2-3 minutes, work
[07:30] <_Shade_> stdin: nice... it's even better than it was on the screenshots... Even the oxygen icons looks nicer when it's full-screen :)
[07:31] <_Shade_> stdin: i didn't like these, because it remind me a gnome icons too much
[07:31] <ChurruKa> genii: i've found it
[07:31] <ChurruKa> :
[07:31] <ChurruKa> :)
[07:32] <stdin> _Shade_: you can get the kwin composite in the beta too, open krunner (alt-f2) and type in "kwin" then choose "Desktop effects". not sure if it runs in Xepher, but it runs in a full session for me
[07:33] <_Shade_> stdin: it's ok i have managed to run it as a separate session :)
[07:34] <_Shade_> stdin: i can't run krunner though
[07:34] <stdin> _Shade_: huh, why?
[07:34] <_Shade_> stdin: it simply doesn't appear
[07:35] <stdin> _Shade_: in a full session or Xepher?
[07:35] <_Shade_> full session
[07:35] <stdin> odd
[07:35] <stdin> _Shade_: try Kmenu -> Run command
[07:36] <jhutchins> You guys have too much money to spend on monitors.
[07:36] <_Shade_> stdin: the same
[07:36] <genii> back
[07:36] <genii> Chu
[07:36] <ubuntu> yes
[07:36] <genii> Damn he left
[07:36] <ChurruKa> it's me
[07:37] <stdin> _Shade_: odd, well it is beta :p
[07:37] <ChurruKa> experienced some problem with xorg
[07:37] <_Shade_> stdin: i had run it once... i'll try to re-log
[07:37] <genii> ChurruKa: Hah. OK. Do you know of the pastebin? We may have to look at the fstab and the menu.lst for grub
[07:38] <ChurruKa> yes, give me a second to upload them :)
[07:38] <genii> ChurruKa: OK. also useful would be the results of the commands:   fdisk -l    and blkid
[07:39] <pacman_> 3992 channels
[07:39] <pacman_> ack
[07:39] <pacman_> I'm having a problem with my wireless...anytime I attempt to connect, it goes to 28% and says 'configuring device' but goes no further...
[07:40] <_Shade_> stdin: krunner runs only once a session :)
[07:40] <stdin> well it !WorksForMe :)
[07:40] <_Shade_> stdin: but anyways i can't run kwin because it;s says it's already running
[07:41] <Daisuke_Ido> _Shade_: use --replace
[07:41] <_Shade_> stdin: lucky you :)
[07:41] <stdin> _Shade_: you don't run kwin, you run choose "Desktop effects"
[07:42] <stdin> s/run//
[07:42] <stdin> it comes up when you put "kwin" in
[07:43] <_Shade_> stdin: can i put it in konsole session?
[07:43] <stdin> I don't know the command, hold on
[07:45] <stdin> _Shade_: try running "kcmshell kwincompositing"
[07:46] <tfreire> I installed Kubuntu Feisty on my server, and it is giving an error on boot. I have 6 SATA disks, 4 on the onboad controller (nforce4), and 2 on a Sil 3512 PCI board. Kubuntu is installed on the 6th disk, and after the first 200GB (it shouldn't matter right?)
[07:47] <_Shade_> stdin: doesn't work... i mean it works but
[07:47] <tfreire> It cannot find the partition or something
[07:47] <_Shade_> stdin: findServiceByDesktopPath: kwincompositing.desktop not found
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> tfreire: i would say install it on one of the onboards
[07:48] <stdin> _Shade_: maybe not all the kde4-beta packages aren't built yet
[07:48] <tfreire> Daisuke_Idrate from Gentoo to Kubuntuo: I can't. the onboard ones area already occupied by a RAID + LVM2 partitioning scheme I wanted to mig
[07:48] <stdin> _Shade_: yeah, some are still building for feisty, give it a while
[07:49] <tfreire> Daisuke_Ido: I can't. the onboard ones area already occupied by a RAID + LVM2 partitioning scheme I wanted to migrate from Gentoo to Kubuntu
[07:49] <_Shade_> stdin: will i have this as a regular updates or... what? :)
[07:49] <Insane`KDE> Damnit
[07:49] <Insane`KDE> Lost a pc
[07:49] <tfreire> that's why I added 2 extra drives on a PCI card. and also to expand teh RAID
[07:49] <stdin> _Shade_: when the packages are built you'll get updates
[07:50] <_Shade_> stdin: ah i see
[07:50] <Insane`KDE> Linux stole my pc O.O
[07:50] <_Shade_> stdin: can't wait the update then
[07:50] <stdin> _Shade_: you can always build it from source :p
[07:51] <_Shade_> stdin: the whole environment seems to be a bit... raw at the moment
[07:51] <tfreire> I have 4 200GB drives onboard, and 2 400GB on teh PCI card. the plan is to swap the 200GB by 400GB eventually and expand all the VGs to use all this space
[07:51] <Insane`KDE> What'S that command called to check my partitions again?
[07:51] <dmuser> Has anyone here had any luck getting EDuke32 to work with nVidia drivers?  I'm having problems getting it to read libGL.so.1.2.xlibconfig
[07:51] <stdin> _Shade_: yeah, it's not like kde2 -> kde3, it's almost compleatly rewritten
[07:51] <_Shade_> stdin: don't try to kid me... i'm not a suicide :)
[07:52] <stdin> _Shade_: I've done it, took about a day to compile it all
[07:52] <_Shade_> stdin: not on my hardware :)
[07:52] <stdin> _Shade_: what you got?
[07:53] <Insane`KDE> I think it's called "dc" or "dh" or something and it has an argument -h for humanReadable. Anyone?
[07:53] <_Shade_> stdin: sounds good but i hope they will keep the functionality and feel from kde3... i am not going to learn something completely new again
[07:54] <_Shade_> stdin: intel celeron 2.8 ghz with 156 megs of ram here
[07:54] <fdoving> Insane`KDE: df -h
[07:54] <_Shade_> *256 even
[07:54] <tfreire> So, I am lookng for kernel parameters or something which I can do to make grub / initrd / kernel boot properly
[07:54] <Jan-Willem> insane what u need?
[07:54] <tfreire> or at least find the culprit
[07:54] <Insane`KDE> I forgot the f
[07:54] <Jan-Willem> what happen 2 pc?
[07:54] <Jan-Willem> ?
[07:55] <stdin> _Shade_: whell that's a better CPU that I have, I built it on a celeron M 1.7 wit 1GB ram
[07:55] <Daisuke_Ido> _Shade_: and you're trying compositing?  brave.
[07:55] <tfreire> I have installed grub on the same drive where the kubuntu installation resides.
[07:55] <Jan-Willem> f?
[07:55] <_Shade_> Daisuke_Ido: beryl works well on that, believe me
[07:55] <Insane`KDE> Jan-Willem: f as if "df -h". I forgot what the command was called
[07:56] <Insane`KDE> Jan-Willem: And my pc overheated and my mainboard got damaged badly
[07:56] <Jan-Willem> why did it over heat?
[07:56] <Jan-Willem> you know of health chat rooms?
[07:56] <Insane`KDE> Jan-Willem: No idea? DaSkreech told me to trya Ctrl + Shift + L, I did and KABOOM
[07:57] <_Shade_> Daisuke_Ido: well with some features disabled but it works well... at least what i need works well :)
[07:57] <jhutchins> Hm.  I thought that NTFS had file ownership, doesn't appear to.
[07:57] <Insane`KDE> Anyways, df-h doesn't get the unmounted partitions
[07:57] <Insane`KDE> How can I check them?
[07:58] <fdoving> Insane`KDE: you can't check for used/available space like that for unmounted partitions. you can however do a 'cat /proc/partitions' - or you could start qtparted
[07:58] <jhutchins> Insane`KDE: Check them for what?
[07:58] <jhutchins> Naah, sudo fdisk -l
[07:58] <_Shade_> stdin: do you know any screenshot sites of this version? Youtube links maybe?
[07:58] <Insane`KDE> Check them for disk space
[07:58] <Insane`KDE> I basically want to know how much HDD space I got left before instlaling linux
[07:59] <Insane`KDE> Great, now how can I make it output the sizes in human readable format?
[08:00] <stdin> _Shade_: the kde.org site has some, but it hasn't been out long enough for placed like youtube to have any content yet
[08:00] <Daisuke_Ido> df -ah ?
[08:01] <Insane`KDE> HAng on, now that I know my partitions I cna mount them and see
[08:01] <Insane`KDE> Daisuke_Ido: df only lists mounted partitions
[08:01] <jhutchins> perzactly.
[08:02] <Insane`KDE> Cool
[08:02] <Insane`KDE> Thanks, now I can install linux
[08:02] <Daisuke_Ido> what are you using now?
[08:05] <evri2> Guys is there a kde partition editor?  AFK
[08:07] <evri2> well working in KDE and using GTK apllications :p
[08:08] <stdin> I just use whatever works best for me. I don't care too much if it's Qt or GTK (tho I'd rather they be Qt)
[08:09] <Insane`KDE> Hey, I seem to have an error trying to install
[08:09] <Insane`KDE> I have two partitions, and I want to resize the second one from 12 GB to 8 GB and use the freed space
[08:10] <Insane`KDE> But linux gives me an error: "An error occurred writing the changes to disk. Resize operation aborted"
[08:10] <evri2> stdin so qparted or gparted? :P
[08:10] <stdin> gparted is less buggy right nwo
[08:10] <stdin> *now
[08:13] <_Shade_> stdin: fed up with kde4 :)... not much to test there... i have to wait for the update
[08:13] <Insane`KDE> help anybody? OTherwise I'll have to resort to dual-installing on the same partition, and I have no idea what'll happen then
[08:14] <memmy> i still can't figure out how to install flash...what do i do??
[08:14] <fdoving> !flash | memmy
[08:14] <ubotu> memmy: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[08:14] <Insane`KDE> memmy: Have you done sudo apt-get flash?
[08:14] <Insane`KDE> *sudo apt-get install flash-free
[08:14] <stdin> _Shade_: there are some kde4 things you can get, type "apt-get install kde4<tab><tab>" you'll see a few
[08:15] <memmy> no how do i do that?
[08:15] <Insane`KDE> So is anybody gonna answer my problem or do I have to install linux and windows onto the same partition?
[08:15] <fdoving> memmy: go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash with a webbrowser, the page will describe how to install flash.
[08:16] <_Shade_> stdin: oh there are many packages there
[08:16] <stdin> _Shade_: yeah, you only installed the base package of kde4, ther's more fun to be had yet :p
[08:17] <sbun> hi
[08:18] <sbun> i just installed kubuntu, and got ndiswrapper etc. going, i filled in the connection details but knetworkmanager doesnt get past 28% when connecting, and it thinks the wireless card is eth1 now, instead of wlan0
[08:18] <Insane`KDE> OH well. After 10 minutes of re-asking, I don't think anybody'll answer me. I'll just install linux onto the same partition as windows.
[08:18] <sbun> whenever i try to enable it in the network settings it just disables it
[08:18] <_Shade_> stdin: i see..... much more interesting then
[08:19] <sbun> but ndis and wpa are working fine
[08:19] <sbun> if anyone has any idea whats up, let me know please
[08:20] <memmy> fdoving that page seems very helpful but i don't understand it
[08:20] <Insane`KDE> Maybe somebody at #ubuntu can help me..
[08:20] <sbun> Insane`KDE: i wouldnt count on it, but maybe :)
[08:20] <_Shade_> stdin: i added all of these :)... it would last some time in view of my rather poor brandwidth
[08:21] <_Shade_> stdin: err... i mean not all :) I haven't download some dev packages and sdk
[08:22] <genii> Insane`KDE: Several ppl responded to you to use the gparted or parted program to rezise
[08:23] <Insane`KDE> genii: Really? CAn't find a single message in my chat history
[08:23] <sbun> damn this wifi, maybe i should just invest in an ethernet cable
[08:24] <jdebolt> hey guys i just tryed to bootup the AMD 64 dvdr to install it and it just gos to black screen i have 2 monitors and a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
[08:24] <jdebolt> i'm able to get to command line after it gos to black screen
[08:24] <Insane`KDE> jdebolt: Does startx work?
[08:25] <jdebolt> no
[08:25] <jdebolt> it will not start
[08:25] <jdebolt> i figer its not picking up my hardware
[08:25] <jdebolt> as in video card
[08:25] <jdebolt> is it a error with having 2 monitors or with the video card?
[08:26] <swilson> why do i keep getting "mkdir: cannot create directory `firefox': Permission denied" everything i do denied almost
[08:27] <memmy> what do i type in the section that says new repositories..like say i wanted to add multiverse..is that what i type?
[08:27] <Insane`KDE> Try sudo?
[08:29] <sbun> anyone experienced with getting kubuntu working with wifi + WPA?
[08:29] <sbun> its so close
[08:29] <sbun> and yet so far
[08:30] <Insane`KDE> Damnit
[08:30] <Insane`KDE> I'm supposed to run windows and shut down properly
[08:30] <Insane`KDE> damn windows
[08:30] <Insane`KDE> cya
[08:30] <sbun> cya
[08:33] <sbun> someone help me
[08:33] <sbun> or the kitten dies
[08:33] <sbun> http://mikecane.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/kitten.jpg
[08:39] <superdude3334> i have a kubuntu live cd for x86 and it wants a password. is there a default pass or something/
[08:39] <superdude3334> MOTD
[08:39] <superdude3334> wtf
[08:40] <sbun> lol
[08:40] <sbun> do i need network-manager as well as knetworkmanager?
[08:41] <sbun> and wpasupplicant?
[08:43] <Insane`KDE> Hey,
[08:44] <jink_> hey hi
[08:44] <Insane`KDE> installer tells me to have a 256 MB swap partition
[08:44] <jink_> does anybody know how to change the panal color
[08:44] <Insane`KDE> Where am I supposed to set the mount point to for the swap?
[08:44] <jink_> panel*
[08:44] <Insane`KDE> I tried /swap but it didn't recognize that
[08:45] <sbun> you dont need to label it as long as the fs is swap
[08:45] <Insane`KDE> Oh, so the fs is supposed to be swap? I get it
[08:48] <sbun> (19:47) <sbun> ok never mind
[08:48] <sbun> (19:47) <sbun> thanks for nothing
[08:48] <Insane`KDE> Question: can I install without a root password?
[08:48] <stdin> Insane`KDE: the default is to have root disabled
[08:49] <Insane`KDE> stdinThen what about account password?
[08:49] <Insane`KDE> I can't press "next" until I set one
[08:49] <stdin> your users password
[08:49] <Insane`KDE> What if I don'T want one?
[08:49] <jhutchins_wk> !sudo | Insane`KDE
[08:49] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:49] <jhutchins_wk> !kdesu | Insane`KDE
[08:49] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:50] <stdin> Insane`KDE:  what? you need to have a user or you can't login
[08:50] <Insane`KDE> I know about sudo/kdesu, but I can't install without a user password
[08:50] <Insane`KDE> Yeah, but in winblows for example, you can make accounts without passwords
[08:50] <Insane`KDE> I don't want a password
[08:50] <stdin> well windows is stupid
[08:50] <Insane`KDE> If I'm forced to I'll simply use "(space)" but that's only a workaround
[08:51] <stdin> just picka a password
[08:51] <Insane`KDE> Grmph
[08:51] <Insane`KDE> That's the first time linux is /less/ flexible than windows
[08:51] <stdin> you *can* set a user to be able to login passwordless, but that's in secure
[08:52] <stdin> the users still needs a password anyway, to be able to use sudo/kdesu
[08:52] <Insane`KDE> insecure my ass. It's my pcc, nobody else here is interested in using it, I don't have any sensetive data on it..
[08:53] <Insane`KDE> brb: Getting a drink.
[08:53] <stdin> head > table ; repeat
[08:54] <arun> hey stdin, how are you
[08:55] <reldruh> does anybody know why networkmanager hangs at 28% when connectin to a wireless network? I have a broadcom card but it was doing this with an intel card for awhile, too
[08:55] <stdin> arun: ok, once I tave a pain killer
[08:55] <arun> stdin: oh? what's wrong
[08:55] <stdin> reldruh: is your network on DHCP?
[08:55] <reldruh> stdin: yes
[08:56] <stdin> reldruh: it's probably something to do with that. try settings the network settings in system settings manually
[08:57] <reldruh> stdin: what settings should I be looking at changing? And it doesn't just happen at home, this is with all wireless networks I try to connect to, encrypted or open
[08:57] <stdin> reldruh: just try settings the wireless settings in there, if that still fails try with a static IP
[09:01] <daniel[] > Hi, anyone knows a good p2p file sharing program for kubuntu ? for downloading songs and movies (legal ones of course)
[09:01] <nicolai_> daniel[] : Ktorrent?
[09:01] <stdin> !p2p | daniel[]
[09:01] <ubotu> daniel[] : Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[09:02] <daniel[] > thanks! nothing like a useful wiki..
[09:13] <linuxtk10> what is the default root password on the live cd ?
[09:13] <desarrollo02> hey
[09:13] <stdin> linuxtk10: there isn't one
[09:15] <el_isma> Hello. I'm having trouble with FF2. It doesn't let me install any extensions. It says that it will install them when I restart but they never get installed. What should I do?
[09:15] <jhutchins_wk> !sudo | linuxtk10
[09:15] <ubotu> linuxtk10: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:15] <jhutchins_wk> !kdesu | linuxtk10
[09:16] <ubotu> linuxtk10: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:16] <jhutchins_wk> el_isma: Did you install firefox from apt, or from Mozilla?
[09:17] <el_isma> jhutchins_wk: Apt
[09:30] <pacman_> I'm having a problem with my wireless...anytime I attempt to connect, it goes to 28% and says 'configuring device' but goes no further...
[09:31] <MetaPhysical> How do i have a script run every time my lan interface goes up?
[09:33] <dec_> i have burned a number of dvds with devede and k3b and the sound is scratchy and you cannot hear, anyone have any answers as to what is going wrong
[09:33] <tfreire> is there a stable backport of firebird 2.0 for feisty, or will I have to wait for gutsy release?
[09:36] <dec_> i have burned a number of dvds with devede and k3b and the sound is scratchy and you cannot hear, anyone have any answers as to what is going wrong
[09:37] <engrfurky> HI
[09:37] <Ace2016> Hi all
[09:38] <Ace2016> can anyone help me with nvidia drivers please
[09:38] <Ace2016> every version i've tried just fails
[09:38] <jhutchins_wk> dec_: At least wait until your question scrolls off screen.
[09:38] <Ace2016> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.06-pkg1.run was working untill i ran the latest updates
[09:38] <Ace2016> now it just does not start
[09:38] <jhutchins_wk> dec_: It probably has something to do with the transcoding you're using.  What are you playing back on?  Same PC?
[09:39] <Ace2016> downloaded and tried to install this: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run   but it also is  unable to modprobe
[09:39] <dec_> no playing back on a dvd player
[09:39] <jhutchins_wk> Ace2016: Just boot back to the old kernel.
[09:39] <berkes> has anybody got an idea where I can find the counter values for "most used apps" in the main Kmenu?
[09:39] <jhutchins_wk> dec_: Ok, well encodding/transcoding DVD's is a pretty broad subject.
[09:39] <morph_> hello all
[09:39] <dec_> I hope I understood the question correctly
[09:39] <luca> hi everyone
[09:40] <jhutchins_wk> I would suggest reading up on it on various web pages.
[09:40] <Ace2016> jhutchins_wk: the kernel was not updated, some mesa and libgl stuff were updated
[09:40] <morph_> talking about apps for converting video?
[09:40] <dec_> when I was not using feisty I had no problems now i have upgraded and the sound is muted and scratchy
[09:41] <Insane`KDE> Hey, how do I correctly mount my HDD with read/write access? How do I set the permission masks
[09:41] <morph_> im just looking for an app that will convert video to dvd format
[09:41] <Insane`KDE> I know it's "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 [something] "
[09:42] <spike_s> hello
[09:43] <jhutchins_wk> dec_: Strange.
[09:43] <dec_> yes it is
[09:43] <spike_s> so my idea is probably strange
[09:44] <spike_s> but someone may have done this before
[09:44] <jhutchins_wk> morph_: dec updated and now his dvd's have bad sound.
[09:44] <dec_> no matter which prog I use it comes out the same the video is great the sound is awful
[09:44] <spike_s> I'm a Mac user and I do DSL support for a large consumer ISP
[09:45] <spike_s> and my niece has a P4 Prescott system that her dad gave her w/o any OS on it.. I'm thinking of putting her either on Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[09:45] <morph_> im getting mencoder
[09:45] <morph_> used with mplayer to encode in various formats
[09:45] <karadas74> hallo
[09:45] <spike_s> I'm just not sure what to expect in the middle of the night on my cell phone as I've never used this distro and don't typically keep PCs hanging around my house.
[09:46] <spike_s> my last long term Linux experience was on SuSE 6.3 which was awhile back
[09:46] <spike_s> and she's a non-technical person
[09:46] <spike_s> what do you folks think?
[09:47] <Insane`KDE> non-technical? Try winsucks
[09:47] <spike_s> I'd do that Insane`KDE .. but I just have a problem forking out that much money on something that will break
[09:47] <Insane`KDE> Pirate it
[09:47] <nicolai_> spike_s: It could easily work, somewhat depending on her hardware.
[09:47] <arunkale> spike_s: kubuntu is pretty easy to use
[09:48] <spike_s> Insane`KDE: the idea is to give her something that will do most basic things.. let her work from home if she wants do Office, Internet, simple games.. and NOT break
[09:48] <spike_s> nicolai_: I already know her hardware is fully supported
[09:48] <Insane`KDE> Then I suggest kUbuntu
[09:48] <Insane`KDE> Definately
[09:48] <pauljw> spike_s: if you install and configure it, she shouldn't have near the problems with kubuntu that she would with windows
[09:49] <Insane`KDE> If the pc is rather on the graphical side, try getting beryl with it, to impress her ;)
[09:49] <spike_s> I just am trying to figure out how to set this up so she won't call me about it because I'm not running it and have no clue what current builds of KDE or GNOME are like at all
[09:49] <Insane`KDE> Then use the Kubntu LiveCD. No problems, no configuration, nothing :P
[09:50] <spike_s> I could setup a help link system in Konq or Firefox and then setup XChat to dump her straight here and simultaneously log her into the Undernet channel that I chat in regularly
[09:50] <arunkale> spike_s: kubuntu has a very intuitive interface.. even friends of mine who are new to linux love it. they love how much you can do with it.
[09:50] <Insane`KDE> You never have to actually install the OS
[09:50] <arunkale> spike_s: use konqueror, much better :)
[09:50] <Insane`KDE> You could try getting here kubuntu with beryl
[09:50] <spike_s> Insane`KDE: It's going to have a GeForce 2MX 32MB AGP card in it
[09:50] <arunkale> spike_s: i mean konversation*
[09:50] <Insane`KDE> 32mb? ow nvm
[09:51] <arunkale> 32mb should be alright
[09:51] <Insane`KDE> OH well, I'm gonna watch some videos, I figured out my problem myself
[09:51] <spike_s> Insane`KDE: not installing it would be a waste of a blank hard drive
[09:51] <Insane`KDE> arunkale: I meant for beryl with all special effects enabled.
[09:51] <Insane`KDE> My 512mb suffers under beryl's snow/rain
[09:52] <memmy> hi, i just installed flashplugin-nonfree in adept...is that all i need to do to make videos work online?
[09:52] <spike_s> arunkale: yeah Konversation is an option
[09:52] <arunkale> Insane`KDE: beryl is quite buggy, i wouldn't ask a new user to linux to use a system with beryl
[09:52] <arunkale> especially kubuntu
[09:52] <noaxess_kubuntu> !build-essentials
[09:52] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[09:52] <Insane`KDE> But it looks cool
[09:52] <spike_s> and obviously as a Mac user I love Konq / Safari :P
[09:52] <arunkale> spike_s: try flock www.flock.com
[09:53] <spike_s> the money I am going to spend on it is for a SATA hard drive
[09:53] <Insane`KDE> cya guys
[09:53] <spike_s> and maybe for her birthday I'll get her a nice video card, dunno
[09:53] <Karti> Hi all
[09:53] <arunkale> Hey Karti
[09:53] <Insane`KDE> Yeah, give it to her peice by peice
[09:53] <Karti> Just a bit of advice on a separate home drive
[09:53] <Insane`KDE> Make sure oyu get the CPU last
[09:54] <dec_> anyone using something other than k3b or devede to burn dvds in feisty with success
[09:54] <spike_s> Flock is pointless for me, I don't do social networking
[09:54] <arunkale> spike_s: neither do i, but it's still a great browser, even without the social parts of it
[09:54] <Karti> Ah.....cancel......answered my own question!
[09:54] <spike_s> Insane is funny.. it's an already built system
[09:54] <arunkale> Karti: which was?
[09:55] <spike_s> arunkale: the Beta of Safari.. is fine by me.. for what I do, and it's the same rendering engine as Flock
[09:55] <Karti> to create a separate home partition or not too, since I will have a complete image less my emails stc
[09:55] <arunkale> there's safari for linux?
[09:56] <jink_> no ther isnt
[09:56] <spike_s> it's like when someone told me to use the Expos tabs in Shirra and I can add that to Safari if I want it but don't really care for such things.
[09:56] <arunkale> Karti: most people here would advise you to have a separate home partition, since your data will be safer that way
[09:56] <Karti> arunkale: I believe that my open university course was using it
[09:56] <spike_s> no.. I'm not going to be running linux arunkale
[09:56] <arunkale> spike_s: ah
[09:56] <fdoving> Karti: i don't keep a separated home on my desktop systems. I never re-install so keeping it separated doesn't make sense to me.
[09:56] <jink_> can anybody tell me how to change panel color
[09:57] <Karti> oops by safarri you don't mean the book website doh *sorry*
[09:57] <spike_s> arunkale: I may.. consider that.. though it may just be too confusing for her
[09:57] <fdoving> Karti: with one big partition i can use the space more efficient if i ever need to use it all.
[09:57] <spike_s> I may just leave her with two 40GB hard drives and make one /home
[09:57] <spike_s> I don't really know how to configure Kubuntu to point everything to that b default though to store all the users there
[09:58] <Karti> My issue is that as I will have a perfect image all set up, all I would need to bring accorss would be my documents etc that are backed up else where
[09:58] <Karti> rather than install teh OS again
[09:58] <Karti> Obviously it may affect me with later versions as I would have to recreate the image
[09:59] <Karti> but with Kubuntu I find that a. enjoyable and b quick!
[09:59] <nicolai_> spike_s: I believe one harddisk should just be mounted with /home as the mount point.
[10:00] <spike_s> nicolai_: yes but you do that in the installer and then the installer maps out the folders and users automatically?
[10:01] <Karti> brb just creating the new image thanks for the advice
[10:01] <nicolai_> spike_s: Perhaps in the alternate install, but not in the default one.
[10:01] <spike_s> nicolai_: I'll keep that in mind
[10:02] <Insane`KDE> Help! Kaffeine won't play avis
[10:03] <vzduch> !avi | Insane`KDE
[10:03] <ubotu> Insane`KDE: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:03] <morph_> anyone know of a program to convet video to dvd format to burn
[10:03] <nicolai_> spike_s: I would first copy the content of the /home foler to a backup, then go to system settings -> advanced -> disk and filesystems -> admin -> "mount blabla as /home.
[10:03] <nicolai_> spike_s: then I would copy the original /home content to the new drive
[10:03] <nicolai_> spike_s: I have never tried it though
[10:05] <nicolai_> spike_s: The /home content might need to have been copied _before_ changing the mount point. :P
[10:07] <spike_s> nicolai_: ok
[10:07] <spike_s> I'll give it a try when I redo the install again
[10:07] <spike_s> right now I'm waiting on a replacement motherboard to arrive, in about a week or so I fried the BIOS on this one
[10:08] <spike_s> so we're getting one that can do SATA and has no integrated video this time :)
[10:08] <spike_s> it'd be here sooner but I must wait on Paypal
[10:08] <spike_s> lol
[10:08] <nicolai_> spike_s: So the old motherboard didn't have ghostrecovery?
[10:09] <spike_s> I don't know what that is
[10:09] <memmy> i want to install the firefox browser..how do i do that?
[10:09] <spike_s> it was an MSI board.. I tried to backup the BIOS but the instructions didn't tell me to include full path to floppy and it backed it up to the RAMdisk
[10:10] <stdin>  memmy open adept and install it
[10:10] <spike_s> then when I tried to do the recovery .. it didn't even attempt to boot or read from the floppy at all
[10:10] <nicolai_> spike_s: Some newer motherboards keep the old bios as a backup. If the bios is corrupted, a click on a button can restore it to full functionality.
[10:10] <spike_s> memmy: choose firefox and click apply changes
[10:10] <filip> :D
[10:10] <spike_s> memmy: http://www.linux.com/feature/117051 flash video #3 has a walkthrough on it
[10:10] <memmy> thanks
[10:11] <weah> i have ubuntu gnome feisty fawn 7.04
[10:11] <spike_s> nicolai_: nice
[10:11] <weah> and just installed kde
[10:11] <spike_s> maybe I'll get lucky with this new board
[10:11] <spike_s> weah: how'd that go?
[10:11] <weah> beside the new softwares installed, what more can i do with kde?
[10:11] <memmy> hey i installed flashplugin-non free but vid online still won't work why?
[10:12] <weah> how do i change the style of ubuntu , etc.
[10:12] <spike_s> weah: it's just a different Desktop Environment that functions differently than GNOME
[10:12] <stdin> !themes
[10:12] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:12] <spike_s> if your running in GNOME and running the apps then you haven't reconfigured to actually use KDE instead of GNOME
[10:12] <weah> is it really better?
[10:13] <weah> kde than gnome?
[10:13] <fdoving> weah: depends on what you like.
[10:13] <weah> fdoving, be more specific
[10:13] <weah> :P
[10:13] <stdin> weah: you're asking in the kubuntu channel, what do you think we're going to say?
[10:13] <fdoving> weah: i find kde better than gnome, because i like the way kde works.
[10:14] <weah> ok
[10:14] <weah> but now i have all the kde softs installed
[10:14] <weah> :P
[10:14] <spike_s> weah: some people like GNOME others like KDE, one is neither better than the other, they're just "different'
[10:14] <stdin> !best
[10:14] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[10:15] <weah> hum
[10:15] <spike_s> you can run either software under the other Environment fine.. so long as the other environment is installed.. but most people just use one or the other not both
[10:15] <spike_s> because of what ubotu said
[10:15] <weah> to start using kubuntu at all i have to reinstall everything, right?
[10:15] <stdin> weah: no
[10:15] <sam_> hey can anyone tell me what is a LOOPBACK FILE?
[10:15] <stdin> !kde
[10:15] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[10:15] <fdoving> sam_: loopback device?
[10:16] <stdin> weah: you just install "kubuntu-desktop"
[10:16] <stdin> weah: then you choose which you want at the login screen
[10:16] <weah> nice
[10:16] <sam_> not loopback device its a file
[10:16] <fdoving> sam_: what do you need that file for?
[10:16] <weah> stdin, after i have kubuntu installed, do u think it's good to uninstall all that stuff i installed with kde?
[10:17] <spike_s> fdoving: maybe he's looking in /devfs??
[10:17] <stdin> weah: no, it mostly installs the same things
[10:17] <fdoving> spike_s: you mean /dev/loop0 ?
[10:17] <spike_s> fdoving: yeah
[10:17] <fdoving> probably.
[10:17] <sam_> i have an assignment on formating a loopback file
[10:17] <weah> kubuntu and ubuntu are "brothers"?
[10:18] <fdoving> sam_: formatting a loopback file to be used for what?
[10:18] <root__> Can i found french users here?
[10:18] <fdoving> sam_: a file-system image, mountable via loop-back?
[10:18] <stdin> weah: they are the same, except kubuntu has kde and ubuntu has gnome, all package are from the same place and the base is shared
[10:18] <sam_> i have no idea what it means
[10:18] <spike_s> weah: think of it like layers to a cake
[10:18] <stdin> !fr | root__
[10:18] <ubotu> root__: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:18] <fdoving> sam_: what does your "assignment" say?
[10:18] <spike_s> Ubuntu is the bottom layer
[10:18] <Associat0r> I am trying out linuxmint now
[10:18] <Associat0r> with kde
[10:19] <phik> hello there
[10:19] <spike_s> and either KDE or GNOME are the top layer depending on whether you install Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[10:19] <Associat0r> little more complete
[10:19] <spike_s> depends on what you see on the top layer
[10:19] <Associat0r> based on ubuntu too
[10:19] <root__> thank a lot! good night! ;-)
[10:19] <sam_> Format a loopback file. Find out what that is.
[10:19] <spike_s> now from within either one you can install the other top layer and use that stuff too basically having a half chocolate and a half vanilla top layer
[10:19] <fdoving> sam_: then i don
[10:20] <weah> i noticed that kde has more programs than gnome
[10:20] <Associat0r> kde is more consistent
[10:20] <Associat0r> integrates better
[10:20] <fdoving> sam_: don't know what it really means.. but my guess would be to make a filesystem-image and mount it through loop-back.
[10:20] <sam_> i too guess d same.
[10:21] <phik> A serious issue with kubuntu drives me crazy. It freezes.. and it has somewhat to do with the wireless cards. I can use it for some hours and when I make some intensive wireless trasnfer, the system hangs up. At the moment it happens with a pcmcia card with atheros chipset (madwifi drivers)..... anyone can help me ????
[10:21] <phik> but it also happens on other two pcs
[10:22] <stdin> hmm, I have an atheros card (pci) and it's stable for me
[10:22] <phik> on feisty fawn???
[10:22] <stdin> yeah
[10:22] <sam_> Does anyone know abot ext4dev module
[10:22] <phik> mumble :S
[10:22] <spike_s> phik: that sounds like a driver problem for that individual card, the same issue could happen on any OS in that situation.
[10:23] <weah> !themes
[10:23] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:23] <genii> phik: Maybe check on your modem/router the MTU settings. If pppoe set it to something like 1492
[10:23] <stdin> sam_: it's the ext4 filesystem development module
[10:23] <phik> at home I had a linksys pci and it crashed a lot... now that I took it away... it works great
[10:23] <spike_s> do all the PCs use the same kind of wifi chipset on their cards?
[10:23] <stdin> spike_s: no
[10:23] <sam_> yup..can u give me good links for it
[10:23] <phik> nope spike_S
[10:23] <rjb> i was having such freezes while on a feisty dist-upgraded from edgy
[10:23] <weah> stdin, thx for the help
[10:23] <weah> just installed kde
[10:24] <phik> uhm rjb... no upgrade, fresh install
[10:24] <stdin> weah: no problem :)
[10:24] <rjb> i did a clean feisty reinstall, and the freezes went away
[10:24] <rjb> wifi is still somewhat flaky, though
[10:24] <phik> yep I see :(
[10:24] <spike_s> phik: it could be the TCP/IP stack.. or the Encapsulation like genii said.. if the MTU is too high you may want to redo it and see if it becomes stable on all the different systems.
[10:24] <rjb> while it worked ner-perfectly on edgy
[10:24] <phik> if I do normal jobs no prob..
[10:24] <rjb> near-perfectly
[10:25] <phik> as soon ad i put in the atheros card in my pcmcia slot and try some wardriving it becomes crazy..
[10:25] <phik> and sometimes it freezes
[10:25] <rjb> what's worse, my wired ethernet no longer works
[10:25] <spike_s> phik: do you know what your Encap is?
[10:25] <phik> ehehe rjb.... how is that possible.. wired network should always work :P
[10:25] <rjb> the card's driver seems to be crashing
[10:26] <spike_s> your binding two different tcp stacks phik
[10:26] <spike_s> one for each adapter
[10:26] <rjb> it doesn't take the system down with it though
[10:26] <phik> oook spike
[10:26] <spike_s> so it will work for one but not the other.. however.. if the wired stops too that means tcp crashed
[10:26] <phik> What have I to do
[10:26] <phik> ?
[10:27] <phik> how do I see my encap?
[10:27] <spike_s> you remove the affecting adapter and restart the network layer and tcp/ip and so on
[10:27] <spike_s> and then your in business with the other adapter
[10:27] <spike_s> phik: it's simple
[10:27] <spike_s> phik: do you know if you use DHCP, Static IP, PPPoE, or PPPoA
[10:27] <spike_s> to get your IP from your router or ISP
[10:28] <phik> it doesn't matter,... it crashes with everything... even without connection
[10:28] <phik> usually when I try some wardriving :P
[10:28] <phik> the worse case was some hours ago when I tried to crack my own AP... with aircrack
[10:28] <phik> one crash every 5 min...
[10:29] <Ange|us> anyone knows an SSH client with GUI?
[10:29] <genii> Put a power line smoother in if yer running it off the cigarette lighter adapter
[10:29] <spike_s> when you are not connected though is it crashing because it's trying to connect physically or because it's trying to obtain an IP through a specific Encap.. or only because the MTU is too high for the task you are doing and the router is puking on all your packets due to that
[10:29] <spike_s> that's what we're trying to narrow down to try and help you define why it's crashing
[10:29] <spike_s> Ange|us: PuTTY for Windows and Linux
[10:29] <Ange|us> nah
[10:30] <Ange|us> putty is like terminal
[10:30] <Ange|us> i wan something nicer
[10:30] <Ange|us> *want
[10:30] <rjb> irq 3: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
[10:30] <stdin> Ange|us: what for?
[10:30] <rjb> that's what i get in my logfile
[10:30] <Ange|us> because i like GUI ?
[10:30] <stdin> Ange|us: ssh = secure SHELL
[10:30] <phik> spike_s and you thing that for such reasons it could simply freeze the whole OS???
[10:30] <rjb> and eth0 is hooked to irq3
[10:30] <fdoving> Ange|us: tried 'kdessh' ?
[10:30] <fdoving> Ange|us: it's in universe.
[10:30] <phik> thing=think :P
[10:30] <Ange|us> hmm
[10:30] <Ange|us> ok
[10:30] <Ange|us> i'll give it a try
[10:31] <spike_s> ahh Ange|us when I SSH it's because I want a Shell a command line
[10:31] <rjb> and a few lines later: Disabling IRQ #3
[10:31] <stdin> Ange|us: that would be the same as putty
[10:31] <spike_s> there's few other reasons to use SSH
[10:31] <Ange|us> kdessh is installed
[10:31] <spike_s> maybe VPN tunneling.. but then you wouldn't need a full blown application in a window to do that
[10:31] <Ange|us> but not in the menu
[10:31] <Ange|us> so i'll add it myself
[10:32] <rjb> spike_s: x11 forwarding
[10:32] <fdoving> Ange|us: hang on, it might not be what you want after all..
[10:32] <genii> freenx
[10:32] <rjb> VNC tunneling
[10:32] <stdin> spike_s: I use it for file sharing
[10:32] <Ange|us> spike_s, yes but im addicted to colours :|
[10:32] <spike_s> phik: there's no telling what might happen to the whole OS if TCP isn't working the way you want it too, esp when you just said.. you were war driving
[10:32] <spike_s> that's a very intense network application really.
[10:32] <fdoving> Ange|us: no, it's not what you wnat, you can safely remove it. it does some other things.
[10:32] <spike_s> esp if port scanning, etc.
[10:33] <Ange|us> then what is what i want fdoving ?
[10:33] <spike_s> rjb: yeah all of that is vpn like stuff
[10:33] <rjb> true
[10:33] <spike_s> you really can stick anything through SSH tunnels that you want
[10:33] <spike_s> :P
[10:34] <phik> ah spike_s: with airmon-ng before it crashes the kernel posts some error messages about PCI error... but that it tries to continue
[10:34] <rjb> accessing remote files via fish:// in konqueror
[10:34] <phik> then.. the crash comes :(
[10:34] <rjb> (that's extremely handy)
[10:34] <fdoving> Ange|us: don't know of any.. really. never used gui for ssh.
[10:34] <Ange|us> ok :S
[10:35] <spike_s> phik: so something is trying to do something with the device driver that is not working right is what it sounds like
[10:35] <stdin> rjb: fish:/ is deprecated, use sftp:/ it has less overhead
[10:35] <spike_s> are you using the same applications when wardriving all the time?
[10:35] <phik> yep... but everything works correctly other times... the crahes are totally random
[10:35] <rjb> stdin: fish:// still seems to be a default in feisty
[10:35] <stdin> rjb: there is no default, try sftp:/
[10:35] <fdoving> Ange|us: you can use putty, it's also in universe
[10:36] <Ange|us> i dont like it
[10:36] <fdoving> then i don't know of any.
[10:36] <Ange|us> i want something like SecureCRT on windows
[10:36] <stdin> Ange|us: what do you want to do wit ssh?
[10:36] <rjb> i mean, default as offered in 'remote places' folder
[10:36] <spike_s> phik: maybe the crashes aren't as random as you say, maybe they're only when certain events occur or commands are used in those apps.
[10:36] <Ange|us> stdin, what is the only thing you can do with ssh?
[10:36] <fdoving> stdin: fish doesn't do the same sftp does, it's not deprecated. fish works without the sftp serverside-support. sftp doesn't.
[10:36] <spike_s> which violates the driver.. and then the OS can't handle it
[10:37] <spike_s> either the driver is weak as it doesn't return a flag to the app and stop misbehaving.. or the app is doing something illegal all the way around
[10:37] <stdin> Ange|us: lots of things, login, forward ports, share files, run commands on hosts (without logging in)....
[10:37] <phik> uhm usually it's when it's only monitoring the net... in promiscous mode
[10:38] <spike_s> of course it may actually seem random if it's a class of commands that all perform similar actions in the app
[10:38] <Ange|us> ok
[10:38] <stdin> fdoving: that's what I mean, only the older shh servers don't have sftp
[10:38] <spike_s> heh
[10:38] <Ange|us> login to my shell
[10:38] <fdoving> stdin: or the ones who disables it. but yeah :)
[10:38] <phik> but both things are difficult to think about......aircrack suite works great on other releases.... and madwifi too
[10:38] <phik> it's really strange :(
[10:38] <stdin> Ange|us: just use konsole, set a session that starts "ssh you@yourhost" then you can start it easily
[10:38] <Ange|us> yes
[10:39] <Ange|us> but i like colours :|
[10:39] <rjb> konsole is highly customizable
[10:39] <spike_s> phik: well it seems like your onto something there, maybe try monitoring in promiscuous mode with a totally different app and see if it still occurs then you maybe be closer to a driver problem and less of an application problem. follow my drift?
[10:39] <stdin> Ange|us: you can set console to use funky colours if you want
[10:39] <Ange|us> how is that?
[10:39] <Ange|us> drink 2 littres LSD ?
[10:39] <spike_s> they may be using the same functions in the driver between the two apps to accomplish a similar goal.
[10:40] <stdin> Ange|us: choose a schema and customise it
[10:40] <Ange|us> hmm
[10:40] <spike_s> which makes the driver go crazy and violate the system.. the the kernel has no choice but to panic
[10:40] <stdin> or set bash to use colors
[10:40] <spike_s> at that time it's a driver problem, check for newer versions, send feedback via bug tracker to the driver team, etc. if it's even an active driver
[10:40] <phik> yep spike_S it just before it crashed for the first time also with ksmeth.. another scanner
[10:41] <phik> sometimes even when nothing is running
[10:41] <spike_s> if all the cards use the same chipset the they may be dependent on a set of similar drivers that all exhibit the same issue due to one programmer's implementation.
[10:42] <phik> uhm nope spike_s,,, the problems persist only with feisty... not with precedent versions of (k)ubuntu
[10:42] <phik> and neither with other distributions
[10:42] <phik> it simply drives me crazy
[10:42] <spike_s> of course it could just be that the wifi implementation in your ubuntu isn't stable I don't know how it's being done for Linux now days.. the drivers may be borrowed from Free BSD for all I know.
[10:43] <phik> ehehehe perhaps
[10:43] <spike_s> soo this may then be something new done on purpose that fixes itself in the next build
[10:43] <spike_s> or in between with a patch
[10:43] <spike_s> you can now see how this same issue could happen on other OSes though.
[10:43] <spike_s> and you've isolated it to the driver or the I/O system
[10:44] <spike_s> I'd still drop the MTU down and see what happens.. it might be just the trick though.. heh
[10:44] <Ange|us> can i remove sudo from kubuntu and use only su without remove 100 packages with it?
[10:44] <phik> ok spike_S.. how can iI drop the MTU?
[10:44] <spike_s> Ange|us: why would you want to remove sudo?
[10:44] <phik> in which conf file?
[10:45] <spike_s> phik: I dunno
[10:45] <Ange|us> cause its unsecure in my opinion
[10:45] <phik> ahhahaha oook :P
[10:45] <phik> lol
[10:45] <spike_s> I don't actually use Linux myself
[10:45] <spike_s> I'm here for other reasons
[10:45] <Ange|us> ok
[10:45] <rjb> Ange|us: you can disable sudo by editing /etc/sudoers
[10:46] <phik> only for some technical support?
[10:46] <spike_s> I do DSL support though and I went through quite a bit of OS stuff when Mac OS X was in beta
[10:46] <spike_s> and that same info applies to your situation
[10:46] <Ange|us> rjb, are you sure? cause last time us edited it SU didnt work neither
[10:46] <phik> eheheheh ooook no everything it's clear
[10:46] <spike_s> phik: I'm considering putting Kubuntu on my Niece's os-less box so that I can hand it to her and sleep at night w/o the phone ringing about windows this and that
[10:46] <phik> you do dsl support
[10:46] <Ange|us> is there a way to remove only SUDO and not everything else with it?
[10:46] <phik> eheheh
[10:46] <spike_s> if I could afford it I'd just buy her a mac mini and be done with it
[10:47] <rjb> Ange|us: su won't work unless you set a password for root
[10:47] <Ange|us> i setted it
[10:47] <phik> for that reason you always asked me for the router... ppoe ect
[10:47] <rjb> su doesn't care about sudo's config file
[10:47] <Ange|us> i see
[10:47] <spike_s> phik: yep
[10:47] <Ange|us> :S
[10:48] <phik> eheh ;)
[10:48] <Ange|us> but is there a way to remove sudo completle without its other packages
[10:48] <phik> kubuntu is really great .. I've to admit it
[10:48] <spike_s> phik: different encaps behave differently
[10:48] <Ange|us> because when i tried it removed half of mysystem and i was gonna kill my pc
[10:48] <phik> and with that repositories... you find almost everything you need for normal use
[10:48] <phik> it's almost too easy :D
[10:48] <rjb> Ange|us: not really
[10:48] <spike_s> most everyone, unless they have a reason not to.. should be using DHCP on any broadband connection
[10:48] <spike_s> or in a LAN setup
[10:49] <phik> I love static IPs
[10:49] <phik> so I always know where which pc is
[10:50] <spike_s> that's why they make dyndns though.. lol
[10:50] <rjb> static IP's can be managed by dhcp
[10:50] <spike_s> static ips are fine in a nat situation if you WANT it
[10:50] <spike_s> it's more of a headache to administrate though that what most people need.
[10:50] <phik> ahh you were talking for the public ip
[10:50] <phik> I've a subnet of 16 ips... I've an isp
[10:50] <spike_s> well for public ip and general routing on lans and home networks dhcp is really good
[10:51] <rjb> i set up my linksys router so that each machine in the house gets the same ip each time
[10:51] <spike_s> if you have a server running or have something special private static ip nat might be the way to go, but that's not most people
[10:51] <spike_s> rjb: yes they can, that's the whole point of nat
[10:52] <phik> yep for sure. I have mail server, two web servers.. and obviously two dns
[10:52] <phik> the a private exchange server
[10:52] <spike_s> if you have less than 10 computers in a home network there's just no good reason not to let the dhcp server on the router manage all the ips for you.. you can easily predict what any given machine is going to get
[10:52] <phik> no nat... the firewall is in bridge mode
[10:52] <rjb> that way i don't need to run a dns server, i just install hosts files on the boxes
[10:53] <rjb> (all 3 of them)
[10:53] <spike_s> here's a real happening you guys will laugh at
[10:54] <phik> yep spike... with the lease time.. or on a domain controller you can set static dhcp tables :D
[10:54] <spike_s> I had a guy call me.. he's a business user on a consumer dsl account.. he wants the dns entry for his ip block to be removed from a blacklister.. he was running his own mail server and couldn't email anyone..
[10:54] <Ange|us> rjb, this is what happens when i disable sudo from the sudoers file and i try to open adept, "Conversation with su failed."
[10:55] <spike_s> tos states, no servers.. we provide a mail server for everyone and accounts on it.. it has a different dns entry than the ip range handed out by our aggregator on purpose.. I'm like duh
[10:55] <phik> uhhh... I've got to go
[10:55] <spike_s> dude, you blocked yourself and we can ask.. but there's no point in you doing this
[10:55] <phik> ehm thank for the help spike_s
[10:55] <spike_s> he got all upset and all
[10:55] <phik> have a nice day.. or night (like here)
[10:55] <spike_s> no problem phik
[10:55] <phik> byee ;)
[10:56] <rjb> Ange|us: your problem is with adept, not with su
[10:56] <mcquaid> I was going to check out kde4 beta.  the kubuntu page says to make sure you have 3.92 available by apt-cache policy kde4base
[10:56] <noaXess> hi all
[10:56] <mcquaid> for me it returns 3.91
[10:56] <Ange|us> then why does adept works perfectly when sudo is available?
[10:56] <mcquaid> and i have backports enabled in feisty
[10:57] <rjb> because adept needs root privileges and obtains them via sudo
[10:57] <spike_s> poor bastard upset at his isp because of server admin assumptions
[10:57] <rjb> i guess it's hardwired to work that way
[10:57] <spike_s> spam control happens a certain way for a reason
[10:58] <spike_s> l8r all
[11:00] <tank71> hey whats up
[11:00] <tank71> does anyone happen to know why I wouldnt be able to ssh into a server sitting on my floor it says cannot connect to the port....
[11:00] <Ange|us> rjb, http://rafb.net/p/i0rnoA15.html
[11:00] <tank71> ssh is up and running
[11:00] <jhutchins> tank71: Can you ping it?
[11:01] <tank71> ya sure
[11:01] <mcquaid> hmm, ya packages.ubuntu.com reports 3.91 as well
[11:01] <mcquaid> i guess thats a recent snapshot? I'd like to confirm if it's the beta or not
[11:01] <jhutchins> tank71: Maybe ssh is not listening to the external address?
[11:01] <x_link> Hi
[11:01] <tank71> how would I fix that?
[11:02] <x_link> If I install wine, will I be ablet o use CPU-Z for Windows then?
[11:02] <noaXess> my sound card is online, but i hear no sound.. the system means its a ""00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev
[11:02] <tank71> I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that...sorry lol
[11:02] <noaXess> 02)
[11:02] <noaXess> any idea why?
[11:02] <jhutchins> Ange|us: adept is a wrapper for the apt tools, and it uses su.
[11:02] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Or rather, uses sudo (which actually uses su)
[11:05] <Insane`KDE> Would anybody know why Avidemux can play avi files perfectly while kaffeine just shows a black screen and zips through real fast?
[11:05] <mcrandello> I've never had any luck getting kde's media players to do anything other than infuriate me
[11:06] <noaXess> !sound
[11:06] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:06] <Insane`KDE> Would anybody know why Avidemux can play avi files perfectly while kaffeine just shows a black screen and zips through real fast?#cept the problem is that avidemux is an editor instead of a player and I have to watch the videos windowed..
[11:06] <sander> I just deleted a file using Konqueror (shift+delete), and the file is gone, but I have no more free disk space
[11:06] <sander> it's nowhere in the .Trash directories
[11:06] <sander> anyone have an idea what's up?
[11:06] <mcrandello> Insane`KDE: I wind up using vlc for pretty much everything these days
[11:06] <Insane`KDE> There's VLC for linux? kewl
[11:07] <mcrandello> sudo apt-get install vlc
[11:07] <slougi> sander: maybe something else filled up the disk in the meantime? some daemon gone crazy writing logs or similar.
[11:07] <Ange|us> jhutchins, http://rafb.net/p/i0rnoA15.html
[11:07] <sander> slougi: possible, but not very likely
[11:07] <mcrandello> and then spend the rest of the day getting rid of amarok, kaffiene and noatun from trying to play things in konqueror ;)
[11:07] <slougi> Insane`KDE: if you don't need subtitle support you could try codeine, it works pretty well (at least for me)
[11:08] <rjb_> Ange|us: yes, that's what i'd expect
[11:08] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Of course.  That's exactly how it's supposed to work.
[11:08] <Ange|us> what?
[11:08] <Ange|us> what do you mean?
[11:08] <Ange|us> :S
[11:08] <slougi> now to ask a question, just got a new screen with 1920x1200 res, video playback is pretty jerky since, any clues? using the proprietary nvidia drivers.
[11:09] <jhutchins> Ange|us: root is not the user who is running X, that is your normal user.
[11:09] <Ange|us> oh
[11:09] <Ange|us> i understand
[11:09] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Therefore a program launched by user root can not display on "your" screen.
[11:09] <mcrandello> Ange|us: try running like this "kdesu adept_manager"
[11:09] <Ange|us> so if i run X using root it should solves the problem?
[11:09] <mcrandello> that should work
[11:09] <slougi> jhutchins: actually, X runs with root priviledges by default
[11:10] <mcrandello> running X as root will get old timers yelling at you :)
[11:10] <jhutchins> slougi: Yes, but the display doesn't run as root, and xauth is not for root.
[11:10] <slougi> jhutchins: root     15918  1.3  3.7  43304 38832 tty7     RLs+ Aug03   0:49 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-dWhyAf
[11:10] <Ange|us> mcrandello, this is what happened: Su returned with an error.
[11:10] <x_link> Does anybody here use wine?
[11:10] <jhutchins> Ange|us: But why are you launching adept_manager from a console as root?
[11:10] <slougi> but yes, xauth is user level
[11:10] <Ange|us> cause i dont want to use sudo anymore jhutchins
[11:11] <x_link> Does anybody know where I can get LimeWire for Kubuntu?
[11:11] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Perhaps you don't know enough about ubuntu's security to make that change.
[11:11] <Associat0r> vlc can't play everthing
[11:11] <Ange|us> jhutchins,
[11:11] <Associat0r> mcrandello
[11:11] <Ange|us> sudo is unsecure
[11:11] <x_link> Anybody?
[11:11] <Ange|us> in my opinion
[11:11] <Ange|us> i can delete a system with sudo without need of password :)
[11:12] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Your opinion is different from that of the whole ubuntu/Cannonical team then.
[11:12] <Ange|us> yes
[11:12] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Of course you can.  You can always find a way to screw up a system, especially if you have physical access to it.
[11:12] <Ange|us> jhutchins, i just dont want that someones come on my pc "sudo bash" and "rm -rf /" :)
[11:12] <jhutchins> Ange|us: If you don't want to run your system the way ubuntu runs, why not run some other distro?
[11:13] <jhutchins> Ange|us: So set a strong password for your account, and use reasonable locking measures.
[11:13] <Ange|us> hmm which distro doesnt use sudo? "i only know gentoo that doesnt"
[11:13] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Perhaps you should investigate further.
[11:13] <sander> argh! gimme my disk space dammit!
[11:13] <mcrandello> Associat0r: true, but noatun plays practically nothing
[11:14] <Ange|us> :S
[11:14] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Perhaps there are more risks to having a root account than there are from having sudo.  It's always a compromise.
[11:14] <rjb_> Ange|us: only the _owner_ of the system can wipe it out via sudo
[11:14] <hsatera> :D
[11:14] <Ange|us> not really
[11:14] <hsatera> now with kubuntu
[11:14] <hsatera> it's really better
[11:14] <hsatera> :D
[11:14] <Ange|us> any one that uses "sudo bash" will end up in root account
[11:14] <jhutchins> rjb_: Not strictly true.  If the master account doesn't have a password, and sudo's been set up to allow it, anybody can come along and use sudo.
[11:14] <hsatera> do u guys use firefox or konqueror?
[11:15] <Associat0r> stuff like midi, amiga files etc
[11:15] <Associat0r> konqueror
[11:15] <jhutchins> Ange|us: sudo bash will prompt for a password by default, unless you've defeated that.
[11:15] <rjb_> jhutchins: sure there are many stupid ways you might set up sudo
[11:15] <hsatera> i love firefox
[11:15] <hsatera> :P
[11:15] <Associat0r> but I miss some plugins from firefox
[11:15] <rjb_> but that is not the way it's set up by default
[11:15] <jhutchins> rjb_: Indeed.  It requires more effort than simply enabling root, but it's possible.
[11:16] <Associat0r> btw you guys could try look at linuxmint
[11:16] <jhutchins> Ange|us: If you're concerned about security, you should be running selinux anyway.
[11:16] <Insane`KDE> selinux?
[11:16] <hsatera> now what more can i do with kubuntu that i couldn't with gnome?
[11:16] <hsatera> :x
[11:16] <Insane`KDE> Does that need a password for every letter you send in irc??
[11:17] <Associat0r> well everything is consistent
[11:17] <Insane`KDE> Wow.
[11:17] <Insane`KDE> Big gIN
[11:17] <mcrandello> The problem I'm having right now is that in adept_manager when I click "manage repositories" it preforms "fetch updates" instead, anyone else get that?
[11:17] <jhutchins> Ange|us: It would be pretty easy to tell you ways around your current situation, but from what you've said you really shouldn't be doing what you're doing, and you'll end up screwing more things up and having to re-install fairly soon.
[11:17] <Insane`KDE> *GAIN
[11:17] <Associat0r> there is kdevelop
[11:17] <Ange|us> whats selinux jhutchins ?
[11:17] <jhutchins> Ange|us: For instance, did you use "su" instead of "su -"?
[11:18] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Security Enhanced Linux from the NSA.
[11:18] <Ange|us> i wish to use Gentoo
[11:18] <Ange|us> but
[11:18] <Ange|us> gentoo takes a shitload of time to compile KDE
[11:18] <Ange|us> so i cant till i get a good pc
[11:18] <Ange|us> that compiles fast
[11:18] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Gentoo will eat all of your time compiling updates and fixing what they break.
[11:19] <Ange|us> yes i know
[11:19] <Ange|us> thats why i want a good pc
[11:19] <Ange|us> so it will not take time to compile
[11:19] <Ange|us> :p
[11:19] <Ange|us> but currently i dont work
[11:19] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Did you use "su" instead of "su -"?
[11:19] <Ange|us> yes
[11:19] <jhutchins> That's very bad.
[11:20] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Running a gui from that would mess up your system anyway.
[11:20] <Ange|us> would running X from root resolve this issue?
[11:20] <jhutchins> Ange|us: What I would suggest is that you run your kubuntu the way it was intended, and spend your time learning more about linux systems and security.
[11:20] <Ange|us> well yes i like to learn
[11:20] <Ange|us> :p
[11:21] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Running X from root as "su" would make even more of a mess.  You would probably not be able to run the system without a clean reinstall.
[11:21] <noaXess> ha.. my soundcard is crazy.. all is ok, known by kubuntu, driver hda-intel loaded without any error, ALSA activated.. but no sound.. only chrrchrrchrrchrr if i want test the sound.. ;( any idea?
[11:21] <Associat0r> if you want to learn run lfs
[11:21] <Associat0r> or slackware
[11:21] <Ange|us> slackware doesnt work with this pc
[11:21] <jhutchins> Ange|us: Because ubuntu is designed to use sudo instead of the root shell, it is secured against problems with sudo better than it is secured for problems with a live root account.  Therefore, with ubuntu, you are safer with sudo.
[11:22] <Ange|us> when i try to boot it after an install it just restarts the pc
[11:23] <swilson> how come when i do "/home/swilson/firefox/firefox &" it says "/home/swilson/firefox/firefox: is a directory" when it says its supposed to start it
[11:23] <jhutchins> Ange|us: I would suggest you use a user-friendly distribution like ubuntu or kubuntu until you are completely comfortable using the system without the GUI.  When you reach that point, you'll probably be ready to run slackware or lfs, or gentoo, or start re-building the system security.
[11:24] <Associat0r> I started with slackware
[11:24] <Ange|us> nah i dont like shit without GUI
[11:24] <Ange|us> im addicted to colours
[11:24] <Ange|us> even i started with slackware
[11:24] <Associat0r> anyway why is kcontrol not default as a shortcut somewhere?
[11:24] <rjb> heh my first install came on 10 floppies;)
[11:24] <Associat0r> is it deprecated?
[11:24] <jhutchins> Ange|us: You will need to be very familiar with the console to run slackware or gentoo.
[11:25] <Associat0r> or something
[11:25] <jhutchins> Ange|us: You should read this: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/
[11:25] <jhutchins> Ange|us: There are also other useful guides on that site.
[11:25] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:25] <noaXess> some idea.. sound card driver ok, but no sound..
[11:26] <Silent_G> thanks jhutchins
[11:26] <Associat0r> can anyone tell me why kcontrol is not mentioned as shortcut?
[11:26] <jhutchins> noaXess: Speakers not plugged in?  To correct jack?  Not on or turned up?
[11:26] <jhutchins> Associat0r: It's in the system menu.
[11:26] <noaXess> no :)
[11:26] <Silent_G> probably you have to mute something called jack from alsa-mixer
[11:27] <Silent_G> thats what i had last time i had a problem with sound
[11:27] <noaXess> jhutchins: before in win vista the sound worked perfect.. now
[11:27] <noaXess> driver hda-intel seams to be ok, aplay -l list my card... sound system is enalbeld,
[11:27] <jhutchins> noaXess: So we've verified that the hardware's good.  Does alsamixer run in a console?
[11:27] <Associat0r> what is it called?
[11:27] <noaXess> alsa also enabled..
[11:27] <jhutchins> Associat0r: Dunno, I'm not on kubuntu here.
[11:28] <jhutchins> noaXess: YEs, but does alsamixer run?
[11:28] <noaXess> jhutchins: yep..
[11:28] <rjb> kcontrol is not in any menu by default
[11:28] <Associat0r> I always run the command kcontrol
[11:28] <jhutchins> noaXess: Inputs un-muted/enabled turned up?
[11:28] <Associat0r> rjb : why is that?
[11:28] <jhutchins> Associat0r: kdesu kcontrol
[11:28] <Joel> hey guys on AMD 64 how do you install flash for firefox
[11:28] <Joel> ?
[11:28] <rjb> Associat0r: no idea
[11:28] <jhutchins> !flash | joel
[11:28] <ubotu> joel: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[11:29] <noaXess> jhutchins: all is up.. if i plugin in a headset, and go to 100% sound then is hear only chrchr..chrchr...chrchr if i make a sound test..
[11:29] <hsatera> anyone here uses gtalk and can talk trough linux?
[11:29] <noaXess> hsatera: jep it work..
[11:29] <hsatera> jep?
[11:29] <mcrandello> is gutsy going to make my computer explode if I upgrade?
[11:29] <noaXess> hsatera: over kopete..
[11:29] <jhutchins> noaXess: Does your sound card have an spdif output you're not using?
[11:29] <hsatera> but will the voice work?
[11:29] <mcrandello> figuratively that is
[11:29] <sander> mcrandello: very probably
[11:29] <mcrandello> crap
[11:30] <sander> i meant literally, though
[11:30] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Gutsy is in #ubuntu+1.
[11:30] <hsatera> no1uknow,
[11:30] <noaXess> jhutchins: its a notebook.. with onboard scard.. no spdif
[11:30] <Associat0r> ahh at least linux mint system icon starts up kcontrol
[11:30] <Associat0r> the nornal kcontrol with teh tree view
[11:31] <jhutchins> noaXess: Hm.  I'm runnin' out of ideas here.
[11:31] <Associat0r> not the XP like thing icon thing
[11:31] <jhutchins> noaXess: Possibly you've enabled/turned up something that conflicts.
[11:31] <noaXess> jhutchins: me too ;)
[11:31] <jhutchins> noaXess: Can you play sound from the console/
[11:31] <jhutchins> ?
[11:31] <mcrandello> I just want to try the kde 4 beta without compiling
[11:31] <mcrandello> :(
[11:31] <hsatera> noaXess, voice will work?
[11:31] <noaXess> jhutchins: i read on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting that reinstall sound will fix the problem.. just try..
[11:31] <jhutchins> mcrandello: It breaks.
[11:31] <noaXess> hsatera: i duno.. but talk will work..
[11:32] <jhutchins> noaXess: Worth a shot.
[11:32] <hsatera> talk is easy
[11:32] <hsatera> :P
[11:32] <mcrandello> jhutchins: kde4 or gutsy or both?
[11:32] <hsatera> i was trying ta
[11:32] <hsatera> tapioca
[11:32] <hoens1> I'm trying to use dmraid but it keeps saying "No RAID disks"... does anyone know what's wrong?
[11:32] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Um... I don't think gutsy's gone beta yet, definitely kde4 isn't beta yet.
[11:32] <mcrandello> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[11:32] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Both are released only for testing purposes.
[11:33] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Ah, that was the one then.
[11:33] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Yeah, see that "beta1"?
[11:33] <noaXess> !sound
[11:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:33] <jhutchins> mcrandello: That means "Please help us find the bugs that cause this to break."
[11:33] <mcrandello> jhutchins: that's fine
[11:33] <dhq> i have a pendrive but it is very slow in transfering data
[11:33] <jhutchins> mcrandello: KDE prefers that you bugtest from their packages and not from re-packaged binaries.
[11:34] <jhutchins> mcrandello: They will usually not accept bugreports from binary betas.
[11:34] <mcrandello> that was linked to from the kde site iirc
[11:35] <jhutchins> mcrandello: Lots of stuff is in beta right now, kde4, mandriva 2008, and gutsy is essentially beta.
[11:35] <dhq> i have a pendrive but it is very slow in transfering data in windows it works fine in kubuntu its so slowww
[11:36] <noaXess> jhutchins: it work.. :) in kmix, external amplifier was enabled.. duno what that should be..??
[11:37] <mcrandello> jhutchins: okay
[11:39] <noaXess> does anybody know, why mozilla thunderbird 2.x is not in the default mirrors? firefox 2.x, even lateste <IP_ADDRESS> is in mirrors..
[11:40] <mcrandello> I guess I'll just wait till they decide to put it in the backports then :(
[11:40] <noaXess> backports?
[11:40] <noaXess> !backports
[11:40] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[11:41] <nicolai_> noaXess: Apparently because demand for Firefox is greater than for Thunderbird
[11:42] <mcrandello> noaXess: Yeah I already enabled the backports
[11:43] <mcrandello> apt-cache policy kde4base gives me 3.91.0-0ubuntu3~feisty1 0 even though they say it's available on the announcement since yesterday ;_;
[11:44] <`Xera`> Has anybody got a SpeedTouch 330 USB modem working in 7.04?
[11:45] <hoens1> has anyone here used mdraid in ubuntu?
[11:46] <sfire> `Xera`: does it have ethernet ability?
[11:46] <`Xera`> nop
[11:46] <`Xera`> http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/jose.bernardo/st330_small.jpg
[11:46] <`Xera`> that's it
[11:47] <sfire> I highly doubt you will get it working ... (keep in mind thats without researching it)
[11:47] <`Xera`> well
[11:47] <`Xera`> it worked in 6.06
[11:47] <sfire> hmmm
[11:47] <`Xera`> using http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html
[11:47] <sfire> well then that gives it much more hope
[11:47] <`Xera`> and it worked once in 7.04 using something that I found called 'neogui'
[11:47] <`Xera`> but I can't find neogui again
[11:48] <`Xera`> I tried using https://launchpad.net/usb-adsl-modem-manager
[11:48] <`Xera`> and it hangs on 'synchronizing'
[11:48] <`Xera`> sorry, synchronized
[11:48] <`Xera`> but apt can't connect
[11:48] <`Xera`> neither can konqueror
[11:48] <sfire> `Xera`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyUsbAdsl
[11:48] <sfire> have you seen that link?
[11:49] <`Xera`> no, I'll take a look. thanks :)
[11:49] <noaXess> !dualview
[11:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dualview - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:49] <noaXess> !dualhead
[11:49] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[11:50] <noaXess> !Xinerama
[11:50] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[11:50] <sfire> `Xera`: http://www.thomson-broadband.co.uk/codepages/content3.asp?c=7&ProductID=471 for the firmware blob
[11:51] <`Xera`> I have the firmware
[11:51] <`Xera`> there's a .deb somewhere
[11:51] <Associat0r> how do you edit the start menu?
[11:51] <sfire> Associat0r: right click it
[11:52] <sfire> use the "menu editor"
[11:52] <sfire> Associat0r: same as windows basically :)
[11:52] <Associat0r> I mean appearence of the start menu
[11:52] <Associat0r> functionality
[11:52] <Associat0r> of it
[11:53] <sfire> ohhh .... ???? I never mess around with the looks just making it work.  everything on my system is set to the defaults
[11:55] <`Xera`> uh sfire, isn't that page just asking for the necessary stuff to be included in Kubuntu? :|
[11:55] <sfire> not sure.. I saw it and figured it may lead you in the right direction
[11:56] <sfire> I have no experience with USB modems myself
[11:56] <sfire> personally I would get a modem and throw that away
[11:56] <`Xera`> ok
[11:56] <`Xera`> I'm ordering Be 24mbit internet which comes with an ethernet router but that's not coming for at least 2 weeks
[11:57] <hoens1> anyone have any recommendation as to partitions i should have for a 2tb drive?
[11:57] <`Xera`> so I'm stuck on Windows which isn't really a bad thing but I'd prefer to be in Kubuntu ;p
[11:57] <sfire> `Xera`: I know the feeling.. because of my printer I still have winblows :(
[11:58] <`Xera`> because of my Fail-ATI 9250 256MB PCI graphics card I have to use Winblows
[11:58] <`Xera`> can't run Source on it
[11:58] <sfire> hoens1: I don't have 2tb but I have mine setup with a 4gb swap, 10gb /, and the rest /home/
[11:58] <`Xera`> not to mention ATI linux drivers blow
[11:58] <sfire> `Xera`: I have a ATI card also but I got it working in kubuntu
[11:59] <sfire> took a lot of doing to get it to work properly though
[11:59] <`Xera`> yeah
[11:59] <`Xera`> I'm getting myself a nVidia 8800 when I get a PCI-E mobo
[11:59] <`Xera`> :3
[11:59] <`Xera`> anyway
[11:59] <`Xera`> afk for a bit
[12:12] <jhutchins> My radeon worked great from first boot.
[12:14] <`Xera`> well
[12:14] <dyingofrobbery> what is the program that allows you to run win32 programs?
[12:14] <`Xera`> Kubuntu doesn't come with a driver for my ATI 9250
[12:14] <`Xera`> dyingofrobbery, wine
[12:14] <`Xera`> I have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:14] <`Xera`> and change driver to 'vesa'
[12:14] <`Xera`> which is some old crappy driver
[12:14] <dyingofrobbery> isnt wine the directx emulator?
[12:14] <`Xera`> wine is not an emulator
[12:14] <`Xera`> :p
[12:14] <dyingofrobbery> whatever
[12:15] <`Xera`> it ports the Windows API (AFAIK)
[12:15] <dyingofrobbery> ill start resorting to just referencing by just function