[01:30] <berserkwarwolf> anybody knows if One will be available for other OSes ?
[02:32] <jinxx> How long does ubuntu one typically take to upload files? (to be more specific: 5184 items totalling 600 MB)
[04:04] <dlangeliers> hello?
[04:04] <dlangeliers> i just installed the ubuntuone client, and im having some trouble
[04:05] <dlangeliers> although the task is running, i dont see the taskbar icon
[04:05] <dlangeliers> any ideas?
[11:09] <armo> Hi, I just got my invite this morning.  I tried transferring some files and 2 of the directories I created are coming up with .conflict.  The one directory that has been created all the files are 0 bytes with a .partial extension and a 0 byte file.  I've tried deleting and creating directories using the web interface and nothing happens.  Is there something wrong with the server? Does it take a while for your account to be fully created?
[11:28] <armo> Just trying to upload a file using the web interface.  Browser shows ' Waiting for updown.ubuntuone.com...' then after a few minutes I get a Proxy Error
[12:47] <facundobatista> Hi all
[12:48] <BUGabundo> hey facundobatista
[13:10]  * jblount rubs his eyes
[13:10] <jblount> Hello everyone!
[13:19]  * Chipaca mumbles incoherently and heads back to bed
[13:21] <facundobatista> Hola jblount!
[13:23] <jblount> armo: You may want to try again, I was seeing similar weirdness with the server earlier, seems to be fine now though.
[13:34] <tahorg> tcole: hi, there ?
[13:34] <tahorg> I've pulled the last version of u1sync from lp
[13:34] <tahorg> and I've a new error message
[13:35] <tahorg> Error remotely /path/to/my/file : INTERNAL_ERROR
[13:35] <tahorg> remotely deleting ...
[13:36] <tahorg> it seems it's a server side issue :|
[14:06] <verterok> tahorg: uh, I'll check the server logs as soon I wake up :)
[14:52] <sivel> is there a way to specify a different directory to be used by Ubuntu One rather than $HOME/Ubunut One?
[14:52] <sivel> I was able to find out how to do this with dropbox and would like to do the same with Ubuntu One
[14:56] <sivel> trying to find the configuration directory if one exists
[14:57] <jblount> sivel: There isn't currently a configuration directory, and there is not currently a way to change the ~/Ubuntu One/ location.
[14:57] <jblount> sivel: We have some plans on allowing arbitrary file syncing, but it's a few steps down on the todo list :)
[14:58] <sivel> ok...
[14:59] <jblount> sivel: Actually, it turns out there *is* a config directory
[14:59] <sivel> what is it's location?
[14:59] <jblount> sivel: verterok may have a bit better information...
[14:59] <sivel> ok.
[15:00] <sivel> going to see if I can symlink the dir I want to use to $HOME/Ubuntu One
[15:00] <sivel> haven't tried it yet...so I guess we will see
[15:00] <verterok> sivel: hi, you can but there are some "not solved"(tm) issues
[15:01] <dobey> verterok: i think he means "ln -s Ubuntu\ One dirwithoutspaces"
[15:01] <verterok> dobey: actually he want to use mypreferredname instead of "Ubuntu One"
[15:01] <dobey> verterok: which should work fine, as real files will end up inside "Ubuntu One/My Files" presumably
[15:01] <sivel> no...I plan on doing "ln -s /some/other/dir /home/username/Ubuntu\ One"
[15:02] <dobey> oh
[15:02] <sivel> to see if it will sync the contents of /some/other/dir
[15:02] <dobey> no that won't work
[15:02] <verterok> sivel: the daemon sync the files inside ~/Ubuntu One/My Files
[15:02] <sivel> verterok: so would it work if I symlinked /some/other/dir to My Files?
[15:03] <sivel> I do web development accross 3 machines currently.  and it is a pain to sync them all.  SO I am looking to sync my /var/www dir
[15:03] <verterok> sivel: not sure, I never tried that.
[15:04] <sivel> I will try in a few moments.  making preparations now
[15:04] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS
[15:04] <jblount> Let's get this party started, Ubuntu One desktop(+) say me!
[15:04] <urbanape> me
[15:04] <teknico_> me
[15:04] <dobey> yo
[15:05] <jblount> me
[15:05] <Tm_T> jblount: you mean it in use, installed or just if one has account?
[15:06] <jblount> Tm_T: I mean if you are a part of the Ubuntu One developers group that has a meeting scheduled about 5 minutes ago :D
[15:06] <jblount> aquarius, rodrigo_, CardinalFang ?
[15:06] <vds> me
[15:06] <urbanape> DONE: Reviewed two branches yesterday, submitted a skeletal FF extension for review. Got extension talking to hardwired local CouchDB instance, setting it up to act as Places observer for bookmark events.
[15:06] <urbanape> TODO: Keep rolling with it. Gonna be fun.
[15:06] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:06] <urbanape> teknico_: if you please...
[15:06] <teknico_> DONE: even more fixes to the funambol_reset_devices branch
[15:06] <teknico_> TODO: started work on the web ui interface for resetting devices
[15:06] <teknico_> BLOCKED: getting this branch through pqm is being an ordeal :-/
[15:06] <teknico_> NEXT: dobey
[15:07] <dobey> DONE: 0.90.3 release, Updated packaging, re-uploaded to REVU, Moved source pkg branches to ~ubuntuone-control-tower ownership
[15:07] <dobey> TODO: Fix issues with share fixin's branch, Get rid of --signup, Add re-auth support to oauthdesktop
[15:07] <dobey> BLCK: None.
[15:07] <dobey> jblount: you
[15:07] <jblount> DONE: More css hacking, lots of drafting and sketching out plans for /files/new/
[15:07] <jblount> TODO: More js hacking, start integrating some new stuff to /files/new/
[15:07] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope.
[15:07] <jblount> vds: Hooray! Your turn!
[15:07] <vds> DONE: More discussion about db reset, more discussion about identity inferal started a branch for phone verification
[15:07] <vds> TODO: more phone verification
[15:07] <vds> BLOCKED: blue sky!
[15:07] <rodrigo_> me
[15:07] <vds> rodrigo_: go! :)
[15:08] <CardinalFang> me
[15:08] <rodrigo_> done: some more package fixes for evo-couchdb, building of tomboy from git for testing our notes sync interface
[15:09] <rodrigo_> todo: hopefully just upload the evo-couchdb package to REVU if no more problems show up, continue testing and fixing tomboy sync with our server, and prepare all packages needed for demos at GCDS
[15:09] <rodrigo_> blocked: too hot even at nights :(
[15:09] <rodrigo_> CardinalFang: go
[15:10] <CardinalFang> DONE: Worked on getting tests running better on my machine.  Some work on pairin
[15:10] <CardinalFang> g tests.
[15:10] <CardinalFang> TODO: SSL and reverse lookups.
[15:10] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:10] <CardinalFang> end?
[15:11] <jblount> MEETING ENDS
[15:11]  * Tm_T wonders where Kubuntu support is going currently
[15:11] <jblount> Thanks everyone, sorry for starting late ;)
[15:11] <sivel> that was a very efficient meeting
[15:11] <jblount> urbanape: Are you *not* FACE today?
[15:12] <urbanape> dammit. yeah, that too.
[15:12] <urbanape> I am Face.
[15:12] <jblount> sivel: Lots of work to do, necessitates quick meetings :)
[15:13] <Tm_T> jblount: quick meetings also means that people knows where things are going, or, that nothing is going (:
[15:13] <dobey> urbanape is more like a Murdock to me
[15:13] <urbanape> howlin' mad.
[15:14] <jblount> Nice
[15:14] <pfibiger> dobey is very clearly BA Baracus.
[15:14] <pfibiger> he pities many fools.
[15:14] <dobey> i ain't gettin on no plane
[15:15] <urbanape> and DRINK YOUR MILK
[15:16]  * jblount wonders if anyone else ever listened to The Mr. T Experience
[15:16] <tahorg> verterok: woken up ?
[15:16]  * pfibiger humms ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, together...
[15:16] <verterok> tahorg: yeah, digging the logs
[15:17] <dobey> ugh
[15:17] <dobey> mrtvseverything.com is some chinese parking site or something now
[15:18] <aquarius> oops. me.
[15:18] <aquarius> DONE: make everything depending on desktopcouch.records actually work (helping thisfred), talk to rickspencer about quickly and using the records client API, work with chad on pairing UI, fix lint error in desktopcouch branch with kenvandine help
[15:18] <aquarius> TODO: build akonadi-couchdb resource and write up instructions for others to do so
[15:18] <aquarius> BLOCKED: still using the horror of lsof to find CouchDB port until the print-the-port logfile patch goes in
[15:23] <jblount> pfibiger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSOgSipsKPA
[15:23] <jblount> (mtx ba ba ba ba ba)
[15:23] <pfibiger> jblount: have you read king dork?
[15:24] <jblount> pfibiger: Nope.
[15:24] <pfibiger> !@#!@#!@#
[15:24] <pfibiger> jblount: frank portman (dr. frank) wrote a novel, sort of a young adult novel.
[15:25] <jblount> pfibiger: I will have it shortly, thanks to Amazon Prime
[15:25] <pfibiger> sort of a rock'n'roll mystery about a teen
[16:01] <CardinalFang> jblount: earcandy has its own idea of what the volume should be.  My hardware buttons change the same settings that earcandy does.  I don't think there's a way to map hardware to changing earcandy instead.
[16:02] <jblount> CardinalFang: I'm experiencing similar crankiness. Occassionally have to restart earcandy also.
[16:03] <CardinalFang> In another 6 months, it will be usable.
[16:04] <jblount> CardinalFang: yes, because it will be in 10.04 :D
[16:07] <dobey> ah, it's so fun when X crashes... :-/
[16:08] <dobey> what bother
[16:09] <dobey> earcandy doesn't sound like the right solution
[16:09] <dobey> it sounds like "a workaround for some behavior which jblount wants to see"
[16:12] <jblount> dobey: Really? Shouldn't you hear the thing you last clicked "play" on?
[16:12] <dobey> jblount: not necessarily, no
[16:13] <dobey> jblount: if you answer a skype call, does it pause all your audio from music player, youtube, whatever?
[16:13] <dobey> jblount: or what if you answer your cell phone?
[16:13] <jblount> dobey: Yes
[16:14] <jblount> (no for cell phone, because it doesn't know about it)
[16:14] <dobey> it *puases* flash? or it mutes it?
[16:14] <dobey> and what if i want to listen to my mp3 library, while i'm playing quake?
[16:14] <dobey> (or something similar)
[16:15] <dobey> jblount: also, i imagine earcandy also works very poorly for people of visual deficiency who need to use a11y features :)
[16:16] <jblount> dobey: The idea is not to bring earcandy into Ubuntu, but to make PulseAudio behave like earcandy
[16:16] <dobey> also, kde doesn't use pulseaudio afaik
[16:16] <jblount> dobey: And as far as playing various audio sources while you are using another audio source, there are preferences for that. Most users want to listen to one thing at a time.
[16:16] <dobey> of course there are preferences
[16:17] <CardinalFang> dobey: for your music&quake goal, just set a rule for that in the config.
[16:17] <CardinalFang> That's not common, though.
[16:17] <dobey> CardinalFang: if i need to configure it, it's probably not doing the right thing.
[16:18] <dobey> CardinalFang: not common? you should look at WoW guilds then. they all play wow while talking on teamspeak or ventrillo or whatever at the same time
[16:18] <CardinalFang> Yeah, the right thing is to stop music when you start a game.  I agree.
[16:18] <dobey> no it's not :)
[16:18] <jblount> dobey: Maybe this isn't a great place for a discussion, but you can vote "yucky" or whatever here: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/20477/
[16:18] <dobey> to quote
[16:19] <dobey> "There's no such thing as a typical user, and if there were, it's not you."
[16:19] <CardinalFang> I am unable to reconcile that with eschewing configuration.
[16:19] <dobey> jblount: if only brainstorm used launchpad's openid :)
[16:19] <jblount> dobey: :)
[16:20]  * dobey really does not want to create more accounts for random things
[16:21] <dobey> o/~ well i never been to spain, but i kinda like the music o/~
[16:21] <CardinalFang> o/~ Popular.  Culture.  No longer.  Applies to me.
[16:23] <dobey> he's dead alright. get over it already!
[16:43] <tahorg> verterok: my problem has been solved
[16:44] <verterok> tahorg: really? great! do you know what was causing it?
[16:44] <tahorg> nope
[16:44] <tahorg> but I've try a u1sync 10 minutes ago
[16:44] <tahorg> and it worked
[17:37] <urbanape> cool, got Places observers firing. Should be able to get some hacked up sync going on add/remove/update.
[17:40] <x57005> hello, I have a question that I would like some help with if someone has a momenyt
[17:43] <urbanape> x57005: howdy, what's up?
[17:44] <x57005> I have heard a lot of good things about ununtuone, and running 2 different ubuntu 9.04 systems, I want to try it
[17:44] <x57005> so I signed up for an acount in early may, and I still have not gotten access to install and use the software
[17:46] <urbanape> we've received a great response, and we're sending out invites in a steady stream.
[17:46] <urbanape> We just want to make sure the system stays stable and reliable for the folks who are currently in.
[17:50] <x57005> It just seems a bit long to wait, almost 60 days after signing up?
[18:02] <x57005> well then I shall continue to wait, and hope this really is as good as everyone says it is
[18:02] <urbanape> Sorry I can't offer more help on that.
[18:08] <jdobrien> x57005: we had 20,000 people get on the waiting list in two weeks....
[18:09] <jdobrien> x57005: if i guessed your name right, you should have an email :)
[18:10] <x57005> you did, and thats really odd, since my email and the nick im using are totally non related
[18:10] <tahorg__> x57005: what about your username ? :)
[18:16] <jdobrien> x57005: Im a detective
[18:16] <x57005> lawl, i would love to know how you figured out which email went to me
[18:17] <jdobrien>  [x57005]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>: x1101
[18:17] <jdobrien> x1101
[18:18] <x57005> that would do it
[18:18] <x57005> i forget about things like that
[18:50] <sivel> how long should the "scanning" phase take?  I have around 16,000 files/dirs and it has been scanning for several hours now
[19:03] <tcole> the local scan shouldn't take that long
[19:03] <tcole> the server is bogged down at the moment, however
[19:03] <tcole> so scanning on the server side seems to be in limbo at the moment
[19:04] <tcole> (I'm having the same issue with a much smaller number of files)
[19:04] <sivel> I'll just let it keep running
[19:04] <sivel> I guess it will eventually finish
[19:05] <sivel> I plan on giving this service a bit of a work out
[19:06] <tcole> yeah, we may have to reboot the server instances
[19:06] <tcole> (after fixing the issue)
[21:27] <BUGabundo> boas noites


[16:00] <andrea-bs> Hello! Can you tell me why all the classes in the lazr package don't inherit from ``object``?


[08:09] <ppisati> moin
[08:47]  * apw waves to ppisati
[08:59]  * smb waves to apw and ppisati
[09:00] <apw> moin
[09:01]  * apw notes that mounting encrypted drives is "not allowed again" and mumble is broke, and until my update completes i cannot reboot for either
[09:04] <smb> apw is truly in Monday hell
[09:10] <apw> truly indeed
[09:10] <apw> though i have tea, so something is ok
[09:16] <apw> things _seem_ to be working ok
[09:18] <smb> (famous last words)
[09:19] <apw> all true
[10:31] <ppisati> brb
[12:11]  * henrix -> lunch
[12:29] <ogra> apw, bug 1113396
[12:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1113396 in linux-nexus7 (Ubuntu) "syslog spammed with cpu_up/cpu_down messages after upgrade to linux-nexus7 3.1.10-9.24" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1113396
[12:30] <ogra> not sure if there is an easy way to quieten it
[12:33] <apw> ogra, i am not sure i would expect to see the kernel turning its own cpus on and off
[12:35] <ogra> well, i dont think the interactive giovernor is a mainline thing
[12:38] <apw> ogra, and which version was this ok in ?
[12:38] <ogra> none, we only switched to interactive pretty recently
[12:38] <apw> ogra, as i was runing .24 and it was not saying it, i rebooted to run .25 and it is ...
[12:38] <apw> ok so this is triggered by a userspace change
[12:39] <ogra> the governor code itself is noisy, i assume android simply de-routesd the messages into their own log or so
[12:39] <ogra> right, it is triggered by actually activating the governor
[12:40] <ogra> (interactive means there is userspace config, we only put that into place recently (it is identical with teh android setup now))
[12:40] <ogra> see /etc/init.d/ondemand on an up to date nexus7
[12:40] <apw> ogra, so all of these messages are at standard low levels, so they won't appear on the console
[12:41] <apw> ogra, but they will be logged to dmesg, and then to syslog indeed
[12:41] <ogra> yes, but they make dmesg unreadable
[12:41] <ogra> and syslog, yeah
[12:43] <apw> those messages are key messages during boot so one knows that your CPUs have come up right
[12:43] <ogra> its the dynaminc "core up/down" messages that are noisy
[12:44]  * ogra  doesnt care about boot ... but about readable logs :)
[12:44] <apw> you will if it doesn't
[12:44] <ogra> heh, indeed
[12:44] <apw> and this has a measurable difference in something which makes it worthwhile
[12:45] <ogra> definitely
[12:45] <ogra> with all other governors i have a constant system load above 1.0
[12:45] <ogra> its the only way to get the CPU to behave sanely it seems
[12:45] <apw> other than load, which could well just be a lie
[12:46] <ogra> battery life definitely is extended (i didnt measure exactly how much yet, but it is noticeable)
[12:46] <apw> ok i'll have a think about it
[12:46] <ogra> i marked it as wishlist for a reason though ... its not super high prio
[12:47] <ogra> (i guess you can filter with grep/sed/whatever if actually needed)
[13:40] <brendand> henrix, when are you spinning the next -proposed kernels?
[13:41] <henrix> brendand: a new SRU cycle just started
[13:41] <henrix> brendand: so, we should have new kernels in -proposed by EOW
[13:41] <brendand> henrix, so the testing week will be 18th to 22nd?
[13:42] <henrix> brendand: yes, i believe so
[15:03]  * infinity eyeballs the oneiric SRU...
[15:03] <infinity> henrix: I thought we were taking an SRU break? :P
[15:03] <henrix> infinity: i believe that break is now over :)
[15:03] <infinity> Huh.  Time flies.
[15:04] <infinity> Though we're still skipping this one for P/Q, I guess?
[15:04] <henrix> infinity: we skiped one cycle only, so... a new one starts this week
[15:04] <infinity> Or just queueing things up in the PPA, but not accepting them.
[15:04] <infinity> So as to not disrupt 12.04.2
[15:05] <henrix> infinity: no, i believe we're rolling all the kernels this cycle. we have a bunch of stuff already in master-next branches. time to flush, i believe :)
[15:05] <henrix> but i may be wrong :/
[15:05] <henrix> bjf: any thoughts? ^^^
[15:06] <infinity> Well, precise is frozen until release, so you can roll what you want, but it's not going anywhere.  That's all.
[15:07] <infinity> (And it releases in 10 days)
[15:07] <infinity> So, that may be decent timing anyway.  I can do the PPA->proposed copies as soon as the release is out.
[15:08] <henrix> infinity: makes sense to me. but i'll confirm this with bjf once he's around. he may prefer to skip P again
[15:10] <infinity>    * ext4: quiet 'unused variables' compile warnings
[15:10] <infinity>      - LP: #1071314
[15:10] <infinity>      - CVE-2012-4508
[15:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1071314 in linux (Ubuntu Hardy) "CVE-2012-4508" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1071314
[15:10] <infinity> ^-- How on earth does that warrant a CVE?
[15:11] <henrix> infinity: where are you seen that?
[15:12] <infinity> henrix: Your changelog.
[15:12] <henrix> infinity: right, but in which kernel?
[15:12] <infinity> Probably just a copy-and-waste oops.
[15:12] <infinity> henrix: oneiric.
[15:12] <henrix> infinity: ok, let me check...
[15:13] <henrix> infinity: ah! so, the prob was that the fix for that CVE required some adjustments (this was commit dee1f973ca341c266229faa5a1a5bb268bed3531)
[15:14] <infinity> henrix: Stacked commits, fair enough.  Still seems like an odd way to attribute the bug, but I don't really care either. :P
[15:14] <henrix> infinity: so, the CVE fix contains 2 commits
[15:15] <henrix> infinity: yeah, i just added that to track the commit. i should probably add a note next time...
[15:44]  * ogasawara back in 20
[16:05] <bjf> infinity, unless something happens, I think we are skipping P and Q again this cycle. it means the following cycle is going to have a crapload of commits in those kernels.
[16:06] <infinity> bjf: That sounds fair to me.
[16:06] <bjf> hggdh, brendand, vanhoof ^
[16:09] <brendand> bjf - oh ok. so we're not looking at new P and Q until the beginning of march?
[16:09] <bjf> brendand, that's what it's looking like
[16:10] <brendand> bjf - what's the motivation exactly?
[16:11] <infinity> brendand: Not disrupting the point release.
[16:11] <bjf> brendand, if you read more of the scrollback you can see the discussion. it's about getting the .2 release out and not allowing P kernels into -proposed until .2 is released
[16:11] <infinity> bjf: To be fair, we COULD do the cycle as normal and let the kernels into -proposed, and just not promote them until post-release.
[16:12] <infinity> bjf: I'm open to that option too, since I'm the one who tends to do all the archive side anyway.
[16:12] <bjf> infinity, not promote them to where until post-release?
[16:12] <infinity> bjf: To updates/security.
[16:12] <bjf> infinity, they shouldn't go to updates/security until the following week anyway
[16:12] <brendand> bjf - ah yeah. i forgot that's delayed until next week
[16:13] <bjf> infinity, i thought you did all the point release "work up" in -proposed
[16:13] <infinity> bjf: We'll be switching image builds to -updates only pretty soon now.
[16:13] <bjf> infinity, when will that switch happen? what is "pretty soon now"?
[16:14] <infinity> Like, this week, maybe today or tomorrow.
[16:14] <bjf> bah!
[16:14] <bjf> henrix, hggdh, vanhoof, brendand I take it all back, we are turning the crank on everything.
[16:15] <bjf> infinity, if i can get into -proposed by next monday, that's good enough for us
[16:15] <hggdh> bjf: ack :-)
[16:16] <infinity> bjf: Alright.  I may artificially delay for a few days to make sure all our point release ducks are in a row, but "by next Monday" seems entirely reasonable.
[16:17] <henrix> bjf: ack
[16:18]  * bjf feels much better only skipping a single cycle
[16:20]  * infinity is reminded that he needs to do a d-i upload to precise for the last SRU round...
[16:27] <antarus> yes please don't forget poor little precise ;p
[17:01]  * ppisati -> gym
[17:20] <bjf> ogasawara, i'm starting to look at the release notes for 12.04.2. have you done anything there yet?
[17:20] <ogasawara> bjf: not yet, but it is on my todo list for today
[17:20] <bjf> ogasawara, so i can just ignore it :-P
[17:21] <bjf> ?
[17:21] <ogasawara> bjf: yah, let me take a first stab at it.  I'll probably ask you to review/edit tomorrow.
[17:21] <bjf> ogasawara, wfm
[18:00] <ohsix> where do i get me a vmlinux for perf nowadays, last time i had to do it it was ugly and it didn't end up in /boot and stuff
[18:04] <jsalisbury> apw, ogasawara should 3.8.0-4 have a linux-tools package?  I see the latest one available is linux-tools-3.8.0-2 .  bug 1115047 was opened for this
[18:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1115047 in linux (Ubuntu) "perf tool missing for Linux 3.8.0 (raring)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1115047
[18:05] <apw> jsalisbury, i think i would expect us to be able to make one, it was off because it needed libraries from universe, but i thought tim fixed that
[18:06] <jsalisbury> apw, Actually, I think I see it here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/amd64/linux-tools-3.8.0-4
[18:07] <apw> jsalisbury, indeed we do seem to be building one
[18:07] <jsalisbury> apw, and it seems accesible from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/linux
[18:07] <ogasawara> commit fdfb1fd6dccabf8ff4f4979d01d4f47b47fc5994
[18:07] <ogasawara> Author: Tim Gardner<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:07] <ogasawara> Date:   Thu Jan 10 12:41:32 2013 -0700
[18:07] <ogasawara>     UBUNTU: [packaging] Add macro to selectively disable building perf
[18:07] <ogasawara>
[18:07] <ogasawara>     Fixes FTBS until libaudit-dev is promoted to main.
[18:07] <ogasawara>
[18:07] <apw> so the report must be wrong now at least
[18:07] <ogasawara>     Signed-off-by: Tim Gardner<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:08] <apw> ogasawara, i think the right thing to do is not MIR anything, but to pull tools out of the main kernel package
[18:08] <apw> ogasawara, i did start looking at it, or more specifically looking at the version in debian where they do the same thing
[18:08] <apw> and i think it is probabally viable, at least then it can link to anything
[18:09] <ogasawara> apw: makes sense to me to separate it
[18:09] <apw> jsalisbury, ok so we have a package, but no perf in it, so the bug is technically correct
[18:09] <jsalisbury> apw, ok, thanks
[18:09] <apw> jsalisbury, can you assign that bug to me, and i'll try and make a proper determination tommorrow
[18:09] <apw> jsalisbury, as to whether we can just rip it out
[18:10] <jsalisbury> apw, will do.
[18:10] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, apw, thanks!
[18:45] <vanhoof> bjf: wasnt attached to  this session, turning the crank due to regression?
[18:46] <bjf> vanhoof, all good here. we are turning the crank on everything this week.
[18:46] <vanhoof> wont change 12.04.2 will it?
[18:46] <bjf> nope
[18:46] <vanhoof> gotcha
[19:07] <apw> diwic, i have a n7 wh
[19:07] <apw> diwic, which is refusing to make noises
[19:08] <diwic> apw, did you see today's update to bug 1068804 ?
[19:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068804 in ubuntu-nexus7 "sound only works after suspend/resume cycle" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068804
[19:08] <apw> diwic, that is the kernel i am running
[19:09] <apw> and it doesn't work before or after a s/r now
[19:09] <diwic> apw, so you're running a kernel with the patch from comment 31?
[19:10] <apw> diwic, yes, that is why i am whining at you
[19:10] <ogra> diwic, works fine for me ...
[19:11] <ogra> but andy seems to suddenly have sound issues (though that looks more like userspace)
[19:11] <apw> 1/2 isn't a good balance
[19:11] <diwic> so ogra and apw have both independently compiled their own kernels with the patch from comment #31, with completely opposite results?
[19:11] <apw> ogra, can i have your asounds.state ...
[19:11] <apw> diwic, no i made the kernel for both of us
[19:11] <ogra> diwic, nah
[19:11] <ogra> i was lazy
[19:12] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1610080/
[19:12] <diwic> how about the alsa-store.conf override/disable, are both apw and ogra running that?
[19:12] <ogra> apw, ^^
[19:12] <apw> diwic, no idea what that is, so assume not
[19:12] <ogra> diwic, oh, i removed the override files :P
[19:13] <ogra> apw, whats the version of your ubuntu-defaults-nexus7 package
[19:13] <apw> 0.50
[19:13] <ogra> that doesnt have the override files
[19:14] <ogra> so we should be on the same page
[19:14] <ogra> ls -l /etc/init/*.override
[19:14] <ogra> just to be sure
[19:14] <diwic> well, if the asound.state has become wrong it will be kept wrong without the overrides, that's a feature
[19:15] <ogra> yeah
[19:15] <apw> ls: cannot access /etc/init/*.override: No such file or directory
[19:15] <ogra> great
[19:15] <ogra> thats what we want
[19:16] <diwic> apw, let's have a look at your alsa info
[19:16] <apw> why don't we ship that damn script with the machine?
[19:16] <diwic> apw, /usr/share/alsa-base/alsa-info.sh
[19:16] <ogra> apw, because the driver needs to DTRT
[19:16] <diwic> IIRC
[19:17] <ogra> apw, the script is generated on first boot ... thats like asking why we dont ship 1G of different initrds on the CD for all possible machines
[19:17] <ogra> :)
[19:17] <diwic> are we talking about the alsainfo script or the asound.state script?
[19:17] <ogra> the state file
[19:18] <apw> diwic, i was talking about the one you showed me _was_ installed :)
[19:18] <apw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1610099/
[19:18] <apw> diwic, ^^
[19:18] <diwic> apw, your speaker is muted
[19:19] <apw> great, its a shame none of the UI elements tell em that
[19:19] <diwic> apw, try muting and unmuting and see if it helps
[19:20] <apw> diwic, ok my speaker is no longer muted, but its still mut
[19:20] <apw> mute
[19:20] <diwic> ok
[19:21] <diwic> I've seen this happen a couple of times actually; the speaker alsamixer control spontaneously mutes itself. Probably some powersave feature or something
[19:23] <apw> diwic, damn this thing has a lot of mutes, any idea which of the 100s to try next?
[19:23] <ogra> int spk
[19:24] <apw> that is already 00
[19:24] <diwic> apw, don't try manipulating the 100s of mutiee
[19:24] <diwic> mutes, it's more likely to screw something up.
[19:25] <apw> oh any i twiddle i am putting back
[19:25] <apw> not that i have tried many
[19:25] <diwic> apw, instead try: delete asound.state and move away /etc/init/alsa-store.conf
[19:25] <ogra> you can cause pretty nasty results with that
[19:25] <diwic> apw, then power off the nexus7, wait a little while and put it back on.
[19:25]  * ogra remembers a full day with a squeeking n7 next to him until he got it back to a sane state
[19:26] <diwic> hopefully that brings it into a sane state
[19:26] <ogra> and you couldnt adjust the volume ... and it started when the driver was initialized
[19:27] <apw> diwic, ok will try that
[19:27] <diwic> ogra, what do you mean "couldnt adjust the volume"?
[19:27] <diwic> ogra, I mean, if it's muted it's muted
[19:27] <ogra> diwic, that was before you entered the project :) i played randomly with the mixer and got into such a state
[19:28] <ogra> not even muting solved it
[19:28] <diwic> ogra, aha, ok
[19:28] <ogra> the driver was just caught in a feedbackish squeek
[19:28] <ogra> i probably routed some random stuff to some other random stuff that should never have been connected :)
[19:29] <apw> diwic, ok now i have the volume plips, and the 'alert sound' previews back, but nothing for 'test sound'
[19:29] <ogra> just like hrw, i just didnt fry my speakers ;)
[19:29] <diwic> ogra, maybe we should hide more of those controls, all that we don't know what they do
[19:29] <diwic> apw, try pressing 'test sound' a few times
[19:29] <ogra> yeah, but thats extra work
[19:30] <ogra> theoretically people shouldnt touch alsamixer if pulkse works
[19:30] <ogra> or they should know what they do ...
[19:30] <apw> diwic, nothing obvious, i get the 'tink' to say i've hit Test, but no actual speaking bit
[19:31] <diwic> apw, yeah, for some reason the 'test sound' is sometimes a 'blupp' and sometimes 'front left'. Both count as success.
[19:31] <apw> diwic, really, thats ... not obvious
[19:32] <diwic> apw, I haven't investigated them.
[19:32] <apw> totem can't play an mp3 either
[19:33] <apw> even though it did install *-bad first time
[19:33] <diwic> apw, btw, speaking of funny alsamixer controls. Did you know what the one I disabled did? It was no regular control. It was a debug feature to set/get individual codec registers. Left channel was the codec register address, right channel was the data to get/set.
[19:33] <apw> heh now that is, er nice
[19:33] <diwic> apw, you can imagine what happens when alsactl tries to save/restore that kind of stuff.
[19:34] <apw> it is not going to end well for sure
[19:35] <apw> diwic, neither can rhythmbox even though it knows what it is
[19:35] <diwic> (especially as codec register address 0 was the default, and that likely causes some kind of codec reset. Not that what it does is really documented, just a guess.)
[19:35] <apw> so whatever those apps use is not connected to anywhere
[19:36] <diwic> apw, does rythmbox show up under applications in sound settings when it's playing something?
[19:36] <apw> yep, and full volumn
[19:36] <diwic> but no sound
[19:36] <diwic> ?
[19:37] <apw> that is correct
[19:37] <diwic> apw, while it plays back, try the test speaker feature again in sound settings, is it still working?
[19:38] <apw> diwic, nope
[19:38] <diwic> apw, can you go into alsamixer and see if "speaker" has muted itself again?
[19:38] <apw> diwic, alertsound still works
[19:39] <apw> diwic, as does plip on volume change
[19:39] <diwic> apw, so you have volume change 'plip' but not test speaker 'blupp'?
[19:39] <apw> correct
[19:39] <diwic> now that's a combination I've never seen before.
[19:40] <apw> diwic, speaker not muted
[19:42] <apw> diwic, i can only assume it is s/w somehow
[19:42] <diwic> apw, 'pactl list' output?
[19:42] <diwic> 'pacmd list'
[19:43] <apw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1610165/
[19:43] <apw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1610166/
[19:45] <apw> ok since running those two, if i start playback again i get like a nice chainsaw
[19:46] <apw> which is volume controlled
[19:47] <diwic> apw, yeah, it looks like it's constantly reconnecting to pulseaudio or something. Or that's my guess, given that rythmbox is "sink input #82" and I doubt that you've started 81 other clients before
[19:47] <diwic> but ogra has working rhythmbox?
[19:47] <ogra> i havent tried rb
[19:48] <ogra> i played a webm video, tried the test sound and have the plop from the volume up/down here
[19:49] <apw> client: 27 <Rhythmbox>
[19:49] <apw> diwic, ^
[19:49] <ogra> diwic, playing the HBR1 ambient station from RB now
[19:49] <apw>     index: 111
[19:49] <ogra> works fine
[19:52] <apw> diwic, and quitting and restarting rb has gone back to silence
[19:54] <bjf> apw, your kernel is working for me
[19:54] <diwic> ogra, maybe we should add more alsamixer controls, put them first and call them "WARNING" and "DO NOT TAMPER" to avoid more people frying their speakers :-)
[19:54] <ogra> haha
[19:55] <apw> diwic, ahhh got it, i had to install -ugly
[19:55] <apw> diwic, when you try the first time it tells you to install -bad
[19:55] <apw> after you do that, it never says another thing
[19:56] <diwic> apw, now what do we think of RB doing that? Is it bad, or just ugly? :-)
[19:56] <apw> but without, it is just silent
[19:56] <apw> diwic, well it doing something dumb is ... ugly
[19:56] <apw> diwic, thanks ... and bjf thanks as well
[19:56] <diwic> apw, anyway, you got successful playback of mp3 files now?
[19:56] <apw> diwic, i do thanks, once you fixed my plips i was fixed
[19:58] <diwic> yw
[19:58] <bjf> apw, it seems to always come up "mute" when i reboot
[19:58] <apw> bjf, i thought we had a saver for that.  i'll give it a go next
[19:58] <diwic> bjf, is that with or without the alsa-store.conf override?
[19:59] <bjf> diwic, i've not done anything special other than install apw's kernel
[19:59] <ogra> sudo rm /etc/init/alsa*.override
[19:59] <apw> ls /etc/init.d/*.override
[19:59] <bjf> yes, those exist
[19:59] <ogra> remove them
[20:00] <ogra> they need to go away once the kernel is in
[20:00] <diwic> interesting, so then they do have a purpose
[20:00] <diwic> I was thinking pulseaudio was enough with storing/restoring volume
[20:00] <diwic> it should have been
[20:01] <ogra> it seems to store the volume here
[20:01] <ogra> but still comes up muted
[20:01] <ogra> it is at full volume if i had it there and unmute after a reboot
[20:01] <diwic> maybe it has something to do with the spontaneous mutes of alsamixer controls, haven't really figured out why that happens and what to do about it
[20:02] <bjf> ogra, indeed, that seems to have "fixed" it. i rebooted and it came up in the same state (un-muted)
[20:02] <ogra> so the only bit left is the muting
[20:03] <diwic> apw, bjf so it looks like my patch actually fixes the no-sound-before-s3 problem, can I trust one of you to apply it to the official nexus7 kernel?
[20:04] <apw> diwic, yep i have applied it already, i'll be uploading it once i am happy the other fixes are good
[20:04] <apw> ogra, were you happy with dmesg
[20:04] <diwic> apw, thanks
[20:05] <ogra> apw, absolutely
[20:05] <diwic> ok, got to do some laundry now, happy evening everyone
[20:05] <ogra> you too, and thanks !
[20:06] <diwic> :-)
[20:06] <diwic> bye!
[21:36] <ogasawara> bjf: I've taken a first pass at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop
[21:37] <ogasawara> bjf: specifically the "LTS Hardware Enablement Stack" and "Ubuntu Kernel 3.5.0-23.35" sections
[21:37] <ogasawara> bjf: I still need to scrub the known kernel issues section
[21:38] <ogasawara> bjf: but let me know what additional edits I should make or info I should add
[22:01] <bjf> ogasawara, ack
[23:12] <vk1266> can anyone please suggest how I should check whether a particular LP bugfix has been applied to the mainline kernel?
[23:13] <bjf> vk1266, which LP bugfix are you referring to?
[23:14] <vk1266> LP: #1040557
[23:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040557 in linux (Ubuntu) "UEFI boot live-usb bricks SAMSUNG 530U3C,np700z5c laptop" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040557
[23:16] <bjf> vk1266, i can tell you that bugfix (or a variant of it) is in Linus' tree and was part of 3.8-rc6
[23:17] <vk1266> so I guess I am reasonably safe to try the mainline kernel on my Samsung, right?
[23:17] <bjf> vk1266, you are building the kernel from the sources yourself?
[23:18] <vk1266> no, I need to install deb's to verify if another bug still persists in the mainline kernel
[23:20] <bjf> vk1266, are they ubuntu debs?
[23:20] <vk1266> yes
[23:21] <bjf> vk1266, so for that bug you can see that the fix was released for oneiric, precise and quantal. so if you are installing a recent kernel from one of them you should be fine.
[23:22] <vk1266> bjf - perfect, thank you, that's what I needed to know. Now I am off to installing the mainline kernel for my Samsung and checking that other bug!
[23:22] <bjf> vk1266, wait!
[23:22] <vk1266> yes...
[23:23] <bjf> vk1266, there is a difference between an ubuntu kernel and a "mainline" kernel
[23:23] <bjf> vk1266, which "mainline" kernel are you installing? where did it come from?
[23:24] <vk1266> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline
[23:24] <bjf> vk1266, which mainline kernel are you going to install?
[23:24] <bjf> vk1266, that patch just went into mainline late last week
[23:26] <bjf> vk1266, if you are installing the v3.8-rc6-raring you should be ok
[23:27] <bjf> vk1266, is there a specific bug that you are testing that kernel for?
[23:28] <vk1266> I have quantal; I guess I cannot try v3.7-rc2, it is dated 20-Oct-2012 - must stick with <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:28] <vk1266> I need to run the test for LP: #1114856
[23:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1114856 in linux (Ubuntu) "power button not working when Samsung laptop is booted in CSM mode; works fine in EFI mode" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1114856
[23:29] <bjf> vk1266, ok, hold off while i look at that
[23:30] <vk1266> Considering that 3.8 kernel is not yet available to my quantal installation, and that my current kernel is 3.5.0-23.35, I am wondering how much value will be in checking out <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:31] <bjf> vk1266, i would not test a mainline kernel for that case. i'm going to add a comment to that effect.
[23:31] <bjf> jsalisbury, still around?
[23:32] <vk1266> thank you bjf! maybe I should try installing raring on my Samsung, but for just checking one bug it may be a little too much
[23:32] <bjf> vk1266, if you can wait, there will be a new Quantal kernel in -proposed by next week that might help
[23:33] <vk1266> sure I can -- if the LP bug waits for me
[23:34] <bjf> vk1266, i think there is a good chance it will still be around
[23:35] <vk1266> bjf, thank you - I will keep checking -proposed
[23:37] <vk1266> bjf, I am going to make a note in the LP bug to that extent
[23:45] <bjf> vk1266, sounds good
[23:47] <vk1266> bjf, I have posted a note to LP: #1114856 - thank you, I will now be checking -proposed and the mainline kernel ppa
[23:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1114856 in linux (Ubuntu) "power button not working when Samsung laptop is booted in CSM mode; works fine in EFI mode" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1114856
[23:47] <bjf> vk1266, ack, thanks
[23:56] <jsalisbury> bjf, hey
[23:56] <bjf> jsalisbury, hey, if you read the scrollback you get some indication of what i was going to mention
[23:57] <jsalisbury> bjf, ok


[02:46] <head_victim> Anyone with any suggestions for an RSS reader?
[03:08] <gorilla> head_victim: firefox :-)
[03:12] <head_victim> See I'm new to all this stuff, is it worth just setting it up with my gmail account?
[03:12] <head_victim> I'm so far behind the curve with all this web stuff it's not funny
[03:12] <head_victim> Next thing you know I'll have a social media account or something
[03:51] <valorin> head_victim, I use Feedly as an RSS reader. It uses Google Reader to do the actual RSS collection, but they have an extension for Firefox (and others, including android and iPhone) for displaying and browsing the feeds. http://www.feedly.com/
[03:52] <valorin> If you consume lots of feeds daily, which I do, then something like Feedly is the way to go.
[03:53] <valorin> There are plenty around, so it really depends what sort of interface you find useful. There are desktop application readers too, but if you use multiple machines, these aren't great.
[03:54] <head_victim> I would like it to work on my android as well so I'll look in to that one
[03:55] <head_victim> Although it's saying it can't find it in the markety
[03:55] <valorin> Really?
[03:55] <valorin> odd
[03:55] <valorin> let me check here
[03:56] <valorin> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.devhd.feedly
[03:56] <valorin> If you've got your account setup, you can install directly from there
[03:58] <head_victim> hmm I open it with the market and it's not found, use the browser and it lets me
[03:59] <valorin> That is weird
[03:59] <valorin> Who is your phone with?
[04:00] <head_victim> Telstra, motorola defy
[04:00] <valorin> I believe some carriers have restrictions, although I don't know why it would reject feedly
[04:00] <valorin> Maybe it's android version support?
[04:00] <valorin> cos I'm a Telstra Desire
[04:01] <head_victim> Stock 2.1
[04:01] <valorin> Ah, it requires Android 2.2
[04:02] <head_victim> That'd do it, apparently July is when I can expect that
[04:03] <valorin> Ah ok. You could try the dedicated Google Reader application and not use Feedly. I've heard good things about it too, although I've never used it.
[04:03] <valorin> I used Google Reader many years ago, it was good then, but I have no clue what it's like now
[04:04] <head_victim> Cool I was going to try a few things here and there just trying to get some feedback to steer me in the right direction
[04:05] <valorin> :)
[04:05] <valorin> Well, good luck in your search :)
[04:13] <head_victim> Cheers for the pointers.
[04:14] <head_victim> What I'm finding that most people go "oh you really need 2.2 for x feature" motorola have already backported anyway
[04:14] <head_victim> Loving swype.
[04:15] <valorin> Swype? *goes to look for it*
[04:15] <valorin> Yeah, the waiting-for-upgrades really sucks
[04:15] <head_victim> It's a keyboard text prediction I guess.  You never take your finger off the keyboard you just move it around.
[04:15] <valorin> Ah
[04:16] <valorin> Now I can't find it in my the market
[04:16] <head_victim> I thought it was gimicky at first but can't live without it now, my fingers are too fat to use anything else.
[04:17] <valorin> Ah cool, I think I remember hearing about that a while ago.
[04:17] <valorin> I just found their website, and am signing up for the beta :D
[04:18] <head_victim> Hah came standard on my phone. It's a must for big fingered oafs like me
[04:19] <valorin> ah, lol
[04:19] <head_victim> I was truly worried about my typing on the on screen keyboard
[04:19] <valorin> My wife hates using my phone, cos of her fingernails, so it might work for her too
[04:20] <valorin> I came from many years of using PalmOS with a stylus, so having to use fingers directly on the screen was really hard to learn
[04:21] <head_victim> I just upgraded from a nokia e51 - 12 button standard phone
[04:22] <valorin> ah the good ol' days of phones which only had one main function
[04:23] <head_victim> The only thing it didn't do for me well was web browsing. It did all my contact and calendar stuff well, sync'd via bluetooth to the PC (even on Ubuntu!)
[04:23] <valorin> Nice
[04:24] <head_victim> In that regard it's better than this android.
[04:24] <head_victim> I'm having to use ical and vcards as a backup solution instead
[04:26] <valorin> I use google apps, so it's always synced for me :) but yeah, that's one of the downsides of android and the "cloud"
[04:27] <valorin> for the record, I hate the term "cloud"... so stupid
[04:27] <head_victim> Yeah, not a fan of the "cloud" for personal stuff. Most of my emails are publically logged anyway so I don't care about that but the names, addresses, appointments, etc I do still seem to care about
[04:27] <head_victim> Well I haven't slept in 24 hours so I might go for a nap so I make a tiny bit of sense tonight for the meeting
[04:28] <valorin> Ok. I've got band, as usual, so I won't be there tonight.
[04:29] <head_victim> No worries, feel free to check out the agenda though and contribute via the mailing list, it's just a valid a way to communicate as the meeting
[04:29] <valorin> Yep, will do
[04:30] <head_victim> Cheerio, I'll be back in time for the meeting :)
[08:56] <head_victim> Evening Octatron
[08:58] <Octatron> Salutations head_victim how goes it this chilly evening?
[08:58] <head_victim> Still getting over the flu but have had some sleep so feeling half human.
[08:59] <Octatron> sleep helps, I've just sussed out something interesting on usb modems
[09:00] <Octatron> on two different models of modem you can put in the correct settings and they will refuse to connect.. until you move them to another usb slot.. then they work werid huh?
[09:01] <Octatron> how much sleep are you getting a night?
[09:01] <head_victim> Add the info to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WirelessBroadbandInformation if it helps someone
[09:01] <head_victim> I'm a shiftworker, it varies.
[09:02] <Octatron> an adult can get by on an average of 6 hours a night .. 8 hours is recommended and 4 hours can be ok but only if it's done once a week
[09:02] <head_victim> Yep, some nights it's 0 other nights it's 14.
[09:04] <Octatron> lack of sleep can effect your emotions and fitness as well apparently, we burn more fat asleep then awake doing nothing.  I'll pop that little tip up
[09:06] <head_victim> Hah yeah I've noticed
[09:09] <Octatron> When is this irc meeting to start?
[09:10] <head_victim> 8pm
[09:12] <Octatron> cool I'll bring jacket and hot cocoa :P
[09:14] <Octatron> um how does one submit stuff to the wirelessbroadband wiki?
[09:17] <head_victim> Do you have a launchpad login?
[09:17] <head_victim> If so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/WikiHowTo has a couple of pointers
[09:23] <Octatron> rightio I'll check it out thanks
[09:24] <head_victim> No worries, let me know if anything isn't clear (I wrote the howto page ;) )
[09:26] <Octatron> rolled your own.. it's the linux way.. :)
[09:27] <head_victim> Yeah there were heaps of guides out there but none that actually got down as far as "press the edit button" which to me if someone hasn't used it before isn't always as obvious as you think it might be
[09:29] <head_victim> Wikis are the one thing I feel kinda comfortable using
[09:33] <Octatron> I've never actually used them before, I'm use to trawling the interweb for answers for hours on end
[09:34] <head_victim> Hah how do you think I learnt how to wiki :)
[09:35] <head_victim> I cut my teeth reorganising the ubuntu-au space
[09:35] <Octatron> ahh cool well it's needed isps have all the documentation in the world for mac and windoze and nothing on linux
[09:36] <head_victim> Yeah it was a common question in here at the time so I just started that one up and got everyone else to add the content ;)
[09:38] <Octatron> check out this little tit bit I found for telstra http://bigpond.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17143
[09:39] <gorilla> evening all.
[09:39] <head_victim> Yeah the hardest thing I've had to set up has been a home network gateway from telstra, needed to plug it into a windows computer to activate it (could have called them up instead but I was lazy and the wife's laptop was just there)
[09:39] <head_victim> Evening gorilla
[09:42] <Octatron> yeah I've noticed you need to activate on a windows pc first, which is what leads me to the next gripe.. virtualbox 4 usb no longer works to allow me to use it to activate wireless modems
[09:43] <Octatron> hi gorilla
[09:43] <Octatron> well I've logged into launchpad what next?
[09:45] <head_victim> Octatron: you using the personal use "free" version of the open source one?
[09:46] <Octatron> not sure but I'm on your wiki page and my username is at the top
[09:47] <head_victim> Octatron: Oh I meant for VB sorry :P
[09:47] <gorilla> VB??
[09:47] <head_victim> So yeah for the wiki stuff that means you're logged in to just go through and follow up the instructions to edit the page
[09:47] <head_victim> gorilla: virtualbox
[09:49] <Octatron> yeah its the "free" version it had usb support before I upgraded it
[09:49] <gorilla> head_victim: Oh.. I initially though Visual Basic.
[09:49] <Octatron> cool I'll try it
[09:49] <head_victim> Octatron: ah k, I use the personal use free one, not the open source one. But I haven't fixed it since I wiped my hdd with installs on it
[09:53] <Octatron> thats the one .. I don't think the open source one offers usb support
[09:54] <Octatron> the new interface is nice shame it's not as functional
[09:56] <head_victim> Hmmm odd I hadn't heard that about it (loosing some USB functions) before
[10:02] <Octatron> you have to install an addional file from the site as well for usb 2.0 support and guest additions have to be installed in safe mode for direct 3d support .. all that done and the usb devices appears greyed out on the virtualbox interface when running the OS
[10:04] <head_victim> Odd, filed a bug?
[10:10] <sagaci> oh, meeting tonight
[10:10] <sagaci> whenzit on
[10:10] <sagaci> kk, half an hour to get home and set up
[10:12] <Octatron> Well I havn't because I thought I've done something wrong .. or havn't done something.. I have to be sure first
[10:13] <head_victim> Octatron: no worries, I'm far from expert on such topics I'm afraid
[10:25] <Octatron> I'm part of the vboxusers group as well so this has me stumped
[10:29] <Octatron> It's either a permissions issue with usb or some werid issue between modeswitch used to change the usb modems modes and virtualbox
[10:31] <Octatron> long story short I cheated and found a pc windows installed on it and activated the usb modems that way
[10:53] <head_victim> Cool
[10:53] <head_victim> So who's starting to gather for the meeting?
[10:58] <head_victim> Evening sagaci
[10:58] <sagaci> hi
[10:59] <head_victim> Well I think I'll get started with the roll call while people mosey on in.
[10:59] <head_victim> #startmeeting
[10:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 04:59. The chair is head_victim.
[10:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[10:59] <head_victim> So if anyone present for the meeting wants to acknowledge their attendance please speak up now
[11:00] <head_victim> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/65/detail/ meeting details and agenda
[11:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/65/detail/ meeting details and agenda
[11:00] <sagaci> hey yall
[11:01] <head_victim> Well that's one, is dns53  a second?
[11:02] <head_victim> Octatron & gorilla you guys still around?
[11:02] <dns53> a second of what?
[11:02] <head_victim> Person at the meeting, so far it's sagaci and I.
[11:02] <head_victim> Well third then.
[11:03]  * dns53 goes to check the agenda
[11:03] <head_victim> I would have expected Boden here at some stage
[11:03] <head_victim> Might be a quick meeting.
[11:05] <head_victim> Well with this sort of turnout I would have expected some others to throw some ideas around on the mailing list a bit.
[11:06] <sagaci> a quiet one
[11:06] <head_victim> Well I'll run through the agenda while we're here, won't be much but at least it will be recorded for others to read over later.
[11:06] <head_victim> [TOPIC] Update on RTs
[11:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update on RTs
[11:07] <head_victim> Well I haven't heard much back yet and I was going to do a follow up email but then I realised there was a certain something called the UDS happening soon (right now in fact) so I thought I'd leave it another week or so
[11:07] <head_victim> This is to do with updating the website drupal installion so we can update the theme easily.
[11:08] <head_victim> So once I send for an update I'll forward the response to the mailing list.
[11:08] <head_victim> sagaci: shall we skip to your topic or did you want to postpone until we have more attend or some discussion on the list?
[11:09] <sagaci> postpone i guess
[11:09] <head_victim> Any luck with looking into the Chromium thing?
[11:10] <sagaci> not really, have to get my head around what's required, and then i'll go through with whatever needs to be done
[11:10] <head_victim> Fair enough, maybe email the ubuntu enAU team for support?
[11:11] <dns53> what are you trying to do?
[11:11] <sagaci> isn't the enAU team, essentially, us?
[11:11] <head_victim> Start a launchpad enAU translation team as opposed to a Ubuntu enAU team
[11:12] <head_victim> sagaci: nah there are quite a few others regularly contributing
[11:12] <head_victim> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-au is the home team and I run across a few of them when translating
[11:13] <head_victim> We need to make an enAU launchpad team as well if  we want to translate other packages on launchpad (such as chromium) that are in Ubuntu
[11:15] <head_victim> Well other than that the only thing I can really add is a roundup of the release parties, who went to them? Any of them get much in the way of attendence?
[11:16] <dns53>  there where 4 of us in adelaide
[11:17] <head_victim> 6 made it to the Brisbane one
[11:18] <sagaci> click - https://launchpad.net/~en-au
[11:18] <sagaci> not sure if I did it right
[11:19] <head_victim> sagaci: I'll have a look after the meeting if you like.
[11:19] <head_victim> Ok well I guess unless anyone has anything to bring up?
[11:20] <Octatron> Im back sorry
[11:20] <sagaci> don't have anything
[11:21] <dns53> i don't have anything either
[11:21] <head_victim> Octatron: welcome back we're just deciding if to close it up really.
[11:22] <Octatron> close up what sorry?
[11:22] <head_victim> I have a goal in the next week if I'm feeling better to try and do up a contact page like blahdeblah suggested for the website with links to who runs what part of the team (all the social groups, etc)
[11:22] <head_victim> The meeting, only sagaci, dns53 and yourself have shown up
[11:22] <tom_a_sparks> i'm really late
[11:22] <head_victim> Evenign tom_a_sparks late is better than never
[11:23] <head_victim> Octatron or tom_a_sparks did either of you have anything you wanted to discuss at al?
[11:23] <Octatron> Is everyone using the .ical calendar to find out about our meetings?
[11:23] <head_victim> I'm adding it to my phone like I always have.
[11:23] <Octatron> Is communication of meetings the problem with low turnouts?
[11:23] <tom_a_sparks> I just keep forgetting
[11:24] <head_victim> I'm not sure, I was going to send something to the list asking about what we can do to improve attendance but feel free to send something yourself to start the conversation
[11:24] <head_victim> I'm open to all ideas.
[11:24] <dns53> the ical works in gmail
[11:24] <head_victim> dns53: cool
[11:24] <Octatron> we need to make it easy for people to add the ubuntu calendar to google calendars for smart phones and the like maybe?
[11:24] <sagaci> I've got to head off for a while, I guess I'll post my item til next meeting
[11:24] <head_victim> Octatron: dns53 just said it worked
[11:24] <head_victim> sagaci: sorry mate
[11:25] <sagaci> I'll be online later but not within meeting time
[11:25] <dns53> yeah it works fine for my android phone, and a work around might be to feed it to gmail then pull from that for other applications
[11:25] <sagaci> ciao
[11:26] <head_victim> I'm open to change the timing, the format anything, just need some ideas.
[11:26] <head_victim> Whatever it takes to get more people showing up
[11:26] <Octatron> well I know I had to really look for it before I found it myself maybe it needs to be in big text here is the link to add to your calendar so you can hook up and have a paaarrrtay!
[11:27] <Octatron> well could it be put on the front of the ubuntu-au website as the first item in big text here's what to use on your iphone, android of mobile to keep in touch with event etc..
[11:27] <head_victim> Ok well if anyone thinks of anything please email the list, we need to try and get som emore people attending
[11:28] <head_victim> Octatron: good idea, I'm hoping in the update to the website we can just have a link to "calendar" which goes to a wiki page explaining how to add the loco.u.c calendar to various devices and calendaring software
[11:28] <Octatron> google publish public calendars too I think could we do that?
[11:29] <dns53> google can give you a url that does not require authentication
[11:29] <head_victim> I'm trying to simplify the calendaring stuff at the moment, up until last month I had to update 3 places for each meeting.
[11:29] <head_victim> Can this be set up to get the feed off the loco.u.c site without having to manually inputting each item again?
[11:31] <Octatron> This is what you said before.. we need to make it obvious to people on one type of notification software not have to update several mediums
[11:32] <head_victim> I don't mind if it can feed off the one source but I'm really anti setting up things we're going to have to manually update each time
[11:32] <Octatron> exactly so if you only have to update one calendar and everyone gets it automatically that'd be cool
[11:33] <head_victim> Well that's why I'm trying to use loco.u.c as the source so we have one place to keep up to date.
[11:33] <Octatron> to do this they have to know not to download the ical file but to copy the link into their google calendar to work properly
[11:34] <Octatron> if everyone uses it this way once a change is made to the orginal ical file everyone gets it.. you might even be able to set the alerts for meetings to 1 day instead of 10 minutes
[11:34] <head_victim> Octatron: sounds good
[11:36] <Octatron> then direct everyone on mailist to the ubuntu-au main page and have the instructions on the front in font 30 :P
[11:36] <head_victim> Ok well I guess that's about all we have? Octatron or dns53 anything else?
[11:36] <head_victim> tom_a_sparks: you have anything to add?
[11:37] <dns53> nope nothing to add, back to minecraft
[11:37] <head_victim> [IDEA] email list to see how we can improve attendance
[11:37] <MootBot> IDEA received:  email list to see how we can improve attendance
[11:37] <Octatron> maybe add screen dumps?
[11:37] <head_victim> Octatron: yep if it's going to help
[11:38] <head_victim> [IDEA] postpone translation and maintaining social pages until next meeting
[11:38] <MootBot> IDEA received:  postpone translation and maintaining social pages until next meeting
[11:38] <Octatron> who doesn't love screen dumps .. I could make it for google at least dunno about yahoo or msn
[11:39] <head_victim> #endmeeting
[11:39] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:39.
[11:40] <head_victim> Octatron: if you want to learn wiki creating a how to add the ical feed might be a good topic for the wiki
[11:41] <Octatron> well I'd like to learn howto get into your wiki for the wireless stuff and then I could contrib a google howto perhaps?
[11:44] <head_victim> It's really pretty easy, did you have a read over the page I linked?
[11:46] <Octatron> yes it looks very well laid out I just can't find the front door.. do I have to email submissions too you or something? or am I pending approval to be added to the team?
[11:46] <head_victim> Nope
[11:46] <head_victim> you just have to click "edit"
[11:46] <Octatron> ok where is the edit link
[11:47] <head_victim> In the top bar to the left of your username
[11:48] <Octatron> ahhhh wow this is different
[11:50] <Octatron> ok leave it with me this might take a little bit to learn
[11:50] <head_victim> Sing out if you have any issues :)
[11:50] <Octatron> thanks mate :)
[11:51] <head_victim> I'm trying to work out how to get the ical feed into my phone without google
[11:51] <head_victim> I can get the file there but not the link
[11:51] <Octatron> can you add the ical web address to funambol first then your phone should pick it up
[11:52] <Octatron> something under shared calendars?
[11:52] <head_victim> Trying to avoid cloud services here, my personal preference is to keep my appointments off other people's servers
[11:53] <head_victim> One day I'll set up my own personal funambol server until then I'm pottering away with ical importers
[11:53] <Octatron> I know, you need to see if funambol has a function to add external public calendars on your own server
[11:54] <Octatron> what if you made up a dummy google account just to add the ubuntu ical address to it to link to your phone? that way it's nothing personal?
[11:57] <head_victim> Octatron: sounding like the only way
[11:57] <Octatron> it'd be nice if people could "google" ubuntu calendar australia and get our ical feed
[12:02] <Octatron> I know if you do that you could even add a little picture of the ubuntu calendar on the ubuntu-au website if you wanted too
[12:03] <Octatron> you know those bits of html they give you to allow people to see your schedule on a website?
[12:07] <Octatron> Why is no one else talking?
[12:10] <head_victim> All just lurking, connected but not at their keyboards
[12:14]  * gorilla is lurking...
[12:14] <gorilla> doh.. not now I'm not.
[12:16] <Octatron> zombies hey? :P I'm googling the android / ical issue atm
[12:16]  * gorilla has an Android tablet.. what's the issue?
[12:22] <Octatron> we can't seem to find an app for android that allows you to just add an ical web feed to the calendar
[12:32] <Octatron> so far all I could find is an app called "the missing sync" and "fliq" might so it but you've gotta pay for the first one
[12:32] <Octatron> brb eating cake
[12:36] <head_victim> I'm trying to work out how to use more than one google calendar
[12:38] <Octatron> share one google account to another.. have one as the "main" google calendar
[12:38] <head_victim> Octatron: but can you then sync only one of these?
[12:39] <head_victim> I'm being too odd with my personal stuff I guess. It's making quite the hassle out of a lot of things
[12:41] <sagaci> how'd the meeting go
[12:44] <head_victim> A little too underpopulated to achieve much I think
[12:44] <sagaci> so postponed?
[12:45] <head_victim> We mentioned a few things, I sent an email to the list to try and work out what we can do about it
[13:01] <Octatron> I think so, atm I have two calendars with google, one business one personal i share the business to the personal and then sync the personal account to android along with the ubuntu ical feed and they all show up on my phone
[13:03] <head_victim> Apparently it might be an issue with the fact I use 2.1
[13:03] <jaddi27> head_victim, sorry for not being at the meeting
[13:04] <head_victim> jaddi27: it's ok, I'm just trying to suss out what we can do to get more people along. If we're having less than 5 - 10 people regularly I don't think we're getting the most out of it
[13:05] <jaddi27> Yes, I can understand that. Uni is quite busy for me at the moment, so I didn't even turn my computer on until 10pm
[13:05] <sagaci> head_victim, have you watched mark's keynote?
[13:05] <head_victim> sagaci: I haven't had time
[13:06] <sagaci> maybe a different day will be better
[13:06] <head_victim> sagaci: if that would help I'm more than willing to give it a try
[13:06] <head_victim> The problem is no day suits everyone all the time so it's a matter of finding the one that suits the most the most of the time
[13:07] <sagaci> sunday evening :)
[13:07] <head_victim> Suggest it on the list :)
[13:07] <head_victim> or maybe we should start a doodle poll again :/
[13:07] <sagaci> yeah I'll send an email soon
[13:07] <jaddi27> Either method would be fine I think
[13:07] <head_victim> I wonder if people even want meetings and to contribute
[13:08] <jaddi27> How would we actually find out what people want though? Previous threads on the mailing list have been very inconclusive...
[13:08] <head_victim> If 5 - 10 is all that want to be involved then that's fine we'll keep going as we are
[13:08] <head_victim> I just worry we're not getting enough of the people who want to be involved.
[13:10] <jaddi27> I think the email should hopefully get some responses.
[13:11] <sagaci> i hope thunderbird is placed as the default email client in 11.10
[13:12] <jaddi27> Thunderbird is promoted on the Ubuntu.com front page at the moment, as one of people's 'favourite apps'
[13:13] <jaddi27> along with Firefox, Chrome and Skype
[13:13] <head_victim> I'm going to stop playing with the calendars on my phone, just broke what I had setup because of a sync wipes all the locally created data. I'll go back to editing it manually as required ;)
[13:13] <sagaci> jaddi27, good point. Evolution looks so outdated
[13:14] <jaddi27> sagaci, Yes, I agree. It is a good client, but Thunderbird is a lot easier to use now I think.
[13:14] <sagaci> head_victim, I just don't understand why we have to create a new team to translate chromium. surely I can't just ride on the en-AU ubuntu team
[13:15] <sagaci> and the whole firefox-thunderbird relationship thing
[13:15] <sagaci> even though I don't use firefox
[13:15] <head_victim> sagaci: because it's a Ubuntu team, not a launchpad team. You need to make a launchpad translation team for things that are specifically ubuntu
[13:18] <sagaci> head_victim, so did I set up that team incorrectly?
[13:18] <head_victim> Not sure, about to go check
[13:19] <head_victim> I'm still debating if I'm an idiot for not wanting to use google's sync services for privacy reasons :/
[13:19]  * head_victim goes to check the launchpad team
[13:20] <jaddi27> Would there be any more privacy concerns for Google Sync vs using Google Mail, Calendar, etc?
[13:20] <Octatron> I think people also would be able to come if they have at least 1 weeks warning of events they can then plan other stuff around the meetings
[13:21] <head_victim> jaddi27: that's the thing, I don't use any of the other stuff, I've only ever had control over all my data myself (other than email 90% of which is publically logged anyway so not really caring for that)
[13:22] <jaddi27> head_victim, I see why you would be concerned now. I decided I would just use them for my main calendar and mail, so the sync service is not really adding any further privacy concerns for me
[13:22] <Octatron> You're right head_victim to not trust google or any big company with our data.. I too want to run my own web, calendar and file server from ubuntu and keep my own data secure
[13:23] <head_victim> Yeah I can't seem to get a "local" calendar though on my phone.
[13:23] <head_victim> So I have to use a google one that isn't synced. But then I can't seem to add more than one calendar account either
[13:25] <Octatron> this is why I added all the calendar through the google account first and synced that one calendar.. just use this setup until you have funambol up and running
[13:25] <jaddi27> I am not really sure about that - I don't have any Android devices at all
[13:26] <head_victim> sagaci: I think the team needs to be called lp-l10n-en-au
[13:26] <head_victim> not just en-au
[13:26] <head_victim> Octatron: funambol still stores your data though
[13:27] <Octatron> yes but funambol stores it on your machine locally
[13:27] <head_victim> If you have a funambol server
[13:27] <head_victim> Sorry I thought you meant their online service
[13:27] <Octatron> no way! whats the point of that?
[13:28] <head_victim> That's what I wasn't getting
[13:28] <sagaci> head_victim, https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-en-au :3
[13:30] <head_victim> sagaci: looking good, needs a welcome note, communication method (hosted mailing list on launchpad?) and guidelines (I'd suggest the default)
[13:30] <Octatron> that sogo thing that has funambol built in I've downloaded it and played with it before it's not too bad
[13:31] <head_victim> Yeah I jsut don't have a web facing server
[13:31] <Octatron> run it in virtual box
[13:32] <Octatron> it wouldn't need much ram or space
[13:32] <head_victim> Nope, just the time to set it up properly
[13:32] <head_victim> Which for me is a lot of time as I have to learn as I go
[13:36] <dns53> do you want a web facing server?
[13:37] <Octatron> the real problem is android needs to be able to add ical feeds along with your existing calendar
[13:38] <head_victim> dns53: eventually, yes.
[13:38] <dns53> you can if you use google or exchange
[13:38] <Octatron> and not have to run it through google like I do sacrificing privacy
[13:39] <head_victim> dns53: the idea here is privacy, if you're putting it through a third party then that is all gone. The other option is one that only updates on a lan so it's local though
[13:39] <sagaci> used google docs for the first time, can't believe how much of a replacement for libreoffice it actually it
[13:39] <sagaci> is*
[13:39] <head_victim> sagaci: I've not used it yet, never had a need but it does look interesting
[13:40] <dns53> head_victim sure is, but atleast the apps for domain policy is better than the normal users
[13:40] <Octatron> googles motto is "do no evil" but I don't think I believe that entirely
[13:40] <sagaci> neither did I but I was on google yesterday and docs came up and i just saw the main interface... looks much better than oo.org/lo
[13:41] <head_victim> I trust them with the data but I don't trust others not to try and get it from them
[13:41] <Octatron> I see.. well I see this like a bank situation.. how do you trust your money with a bank.. or google to secure your data?
[13:42] <head_victim> Who says I trust a bank, I check it all regularly and catch them when someone tries to do something wrong
[13:42] <dns53> there is always bitcoin ...
[13:42] <Octatron> It's the same reason people are trusted on ebay to do the right thing..
[13:42] <head_victim> BUt yes, they do have a set amount of my "money" but you can't get around that
[13:43] <Octatron> it's because with all these things it's in their best interest to secure you data/money because if word got out that someone got in.. they'd lose ALOT of customers so it's in their best interest not too
[13:44] <head_victim> I just found out my ical export fails
[13:45] <Octatron> how so?
[13:45] <head_victim> It misses events randomly, unless that's evolution playing up
[13:46] <head_victim> I'm going to suss it in thunderbird and see if it's evolution or not
[13:46] <Octatron> have you looked at zimbra?
[13:47] <dns53> ical is a standard that no one follows consistently, they a bit of variation in how they handle dates
[13:48] <head_victim> dns53: I'm finding that out :/
[13:48] <dns53> explicitly adding a timezone offset seems to help
[13:49] <sagaci> head_victim, how would I go writing a welcome. The normal ubuntu is like "hey guys, looking to translate ubuntu into enAU, come help us". What's the launchpad one doing. "Hey guys, looking to translate launchpad into enAU" - or am I looking at this wrongly
[13:50] <head_victim> sagaci: look around at some of https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/launchpad-translators/ the other teams is all I can suggest, borrow what you need
[13:55] <sagaci> head_victim, https://launchpad.net/~lp-l10n-en-au - what else, you were saying something about guidelines, what guidelines?
[13:56] <Octatron> well as we speak I'm downloading Sogo virtualbox edition to see if I can get my head around the calendar server, webserver etc anyone played with this stuff before?
[14:03] <head_victim> sagaci: Guidelines. The team should have a set of translation guidelines. This can be arranged after the team has been accepted, but it is a requirement.
[14:03] <head_victim>     *
[14:03] <head_victim>       You can use the general Launchpad localization guidelines or adapt them for your language/team.
[14:03] <head_victim>     *
[14:03] <head_victim>       Let Launchpad know about your translation guidelines.
[14:03] <sagaci> ah righteo
[14:05] <sagaci> guess I'll send an email to the list inviting for the interested to join
[14:05] <head_victim> Or see if they want to subscribe the whole team
[14:10] <head_victim> sagaci: link to the team perhaps?
[14:10] <sagaci> head_victim, where's your sense of hide and seek
[14:11] <head_victim> Hah just saying ;)
[14:11] <head_victim> Nice work with it btw
[14:11] <head_victim> Just need to submit the application for it to be designated as a proper team now :)
[14:15] <sagaci> head_victim,  doesn't sound too bad? (part of draft email?) http://paste.ubuntu.com/605706
[14:16] <head_victim> You would need the owner of the other group to add "their" team to yours
[14:16] <sagaci> i figured that
[14:17] <head_victim> But yeah looks good
[14:17] <sagaci> meh, doesn't matter if the whole team can't be copy-pasted
[14:18] <head_victim> Not really, just makes it seem to flow better
[14:19] <sagaci> you're admin of the other team, yeah?
[14:19] <sagaci> lol maybe not
[14:19] <sagaci> sorry, I should have just searched
[14:21] <head_victim> Hah that's ok
[14:22] <sagaci> isopogon - goneskies?
[14:22] <head_victim> Probably still around somewhere
[14:23] <head_victim> Oh have you been sending it to ubuntu-au ?
[14:24] <head_victim> Shouldn't you be hitting the "contact this team" link on the launchpad for the enAU translators?
[14:24] <head_victim> As that's actually the team we want not all of U-AU
[14:25] <sagaci> yeah, thats what i'm saying
[14:25] <sagaci> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-au - we're on the same page?
[14:25] <sagaci> o i c
[14:25] <sagaci> L o L
[14:26] <head_victim> Yeah hit "contact this team's members" sorry thought that's what you were doing to start with
[14:26] <sagaci> sorry
[14:26] <sagaci> sagaci - spamming the main ubuntu-au list since 05/11
[14:26] <head_victim> Hah I've been doing it for ages now so don't feel too bad
[14:27] <sagaci> oh well, look at the bright side.. all these whingers of my spam will reply so we'll get a good number of how many are actually on the list
[14:29] <sagaci> also means I can send a pristine email - WITH LINK - that looks semi-professional to where it's meant to go
[14:31] <head_victim> Hah yeah, UAU just got the draft ;)
[14:32] <head_victim> dns53: how is vcard as a standard?
[14:47] <sagaci> head_victim, did you get the revised email via ubuntu en-AU?
[14:47] <head_victim> Yep, can't reply to all though ;)
[14:47] <head_victim> Unless I go to launchpad and hit "contact everyone"
[14:49] <Octatron> not the RED BUTTON!!
[14:51] <sagaci> I just find it annoying that there's a package on lp that I want to help translate, yet you have to go through all this rigmarole to get to a 4000-string package
[14:54] <head_victim> sagaci: not just a 4k string package, but every package on lp that assignes to enAU now
[14:58] <sagaci> head_victim, just think of all those new strings, ready to be translated
[14:59]  * head_victim hopes he didn't open a big can of worms
[15:01] <sagaci> ~360,000 strings in about ~1300 source packages. How many source packages in ubuntu? 15,000 maybe?
[15:01] <head_victim> Heh well just make sure you submit the application so it becomes official from LP
[15:01] <head_victim> Otherwise there won't be anything to translate
[15:03] <dns53> head_victim vcard is verry universal for most attributes and you can add your own attributes
[15:03] <head_victim> dns53: nice to know, that's the part I really need to rely on more, my calendar is easy to set up my contacts would be a pain to loose
[15:04] <head_victim> The Defy has a nice built in web access to export/import built into the phone so I can just do it over the air semi regularly to back up
[15:05] <sagaci> is the defy on froyo?
[15:05] <head_victim> 2.1
[15:06] <head_victim> Getting 2.2 in July according to Telstra, some other carriers are already trialling 2.2 OTA
[15:06] <sagaci> happy with it?
[15:07] <head_victim> Very actually. I was a bit so so but now I'm pretty much sold.
[15:07] <head_victim> This contact/calendar thing is the only thing my old nokia did better for my needs
[15:08] <Octatron> just downloaded sogo server into virtualbox.. the web based calendar/email.... niiiiiice
[15:09] <head_victim> And I'm still looking for a great irc client, yaaic sort of works but needs a whole lot more scrollback
[15:09] <head_victim> Octatron: is it the sort of thing I could set up on a lan and never have it pointed at the internet?
[15:21] <Octatron> :D just successfully pulled in the ubuntu ical feed to appear on a virtual calendar running in virtualbox
[15:22] <head_victim> Octatron: I might need to look in to it
[15:24] <head_victim> I more want the redundancy of it as opposed to the "has to be up to date 24/7", I don't want to loose my phone and therefore loose all my contacts/appointments
[15:26] <Octatron> so is this more about backup
[15:28] <sagaci> speaking of backup, deja dup might be in 11.10 as default backup
[15:33] <Octatron> this guy seems to use ssh and rsync on android to backup to his ubuntu pc http://www.huanix.com/2010/12/10/how-to-use-rsync-backup-for-android-to-make-incremental-backups-of-your-android-phone/
[15:48] <head_victim> Octatron: nice link I'll look into that
[15:48] <head_victim> sagaci: I just rysnc /home /etc /usr and hope for the best. That's my backup plan usually ;)
[15:50] <Octatron> google the new bible :P
[15:51] <head_victim> Interesting to see if it backs up the internals of the phone though not just the SD Card
[15:53] <Octatron> yes well only one way to find out..
[15:53] <Octatron> I think I'm off to bed.. night lads
[17:11] <head_victim> What the? I just spend over an hour on a wiki project and now I have no idea where it's gone


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[08:50] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r947 hardy-proposed/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Move to 2.6.24-31 kernels.
[08:51] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r948 hardy-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20070308ubuntu40.15
[08:54] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1337 lucid-proposed/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.32-41 kernels.
[08:58] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1338 lucid-proposed/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Move natty-* images to 2.6.38-15 kernels.
[08:59] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1339 lucid-proposed/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Move oneiric-* images to 3.0.0-22 kernels.
[09:02] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1340 lucid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu102.16
[09:06] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1444 natty-proposed/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move to 2.6.38-15 kernels.
[09:07] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1445 natty-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu29.2
[09:10] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1552 oneiric-proposed/ (build/config/common debian/changelog): Use udebs from oneiric-security, oneiric-proposed, and oneiric-updates.
[09:22] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1553 oneiric-proposed/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move to 3.0.0-22 kernels.
[09:23] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1554 oneiric-proposed/ (build/config/armel/omap4.cfg debian/changelog): Move armel/omap4 to 3.0.0-1212 kernels.
[09:24] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1555 oneiric-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu72.1
[09:38] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1682 precise-proposed/ (build/config/common debian/changelog): Use udebs from precise-security, precise-proposed, and precise-updates.
[09:41] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1683 precise-proposed/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Move to 3.2.0-26 kernels.
[09:43] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1684 precise-proposed/ (build/config/armel/omap4.cfg debian/changelog): Move armel/omap4 and armhf/omap4 to 3.2.0-1415 kernels.
[09:46] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1685 precise-proposed/ (build/config/armel/armadaxp.cfg debian/changelog): Move armhf/armadaxp to 3.2.0-1604 kernels.
[09:52] <CIA-7> debian-installer: adconrad * r1686 precise-proposed/ (build/config/armel/armadaxp/netboot.cfg debian/changelog): Fix armadaxp netboot uImage/uInitrd install paths (LP: #1010708)
[09:55] <CIA-7> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1687 precise-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu136.1
[10:11] <xnox> Jul  4 09:47:07 ubuntu plugininstall.py: Exception during installation:
[10:11] <xnox> Jul  4 09:47:07 ubuntu plugininstall.py: SystemError: E:Write error - write (32: Broken pipe),
[10:11] <xnox> with broken pipe repeated into infinity until ubiquity crashes
[10:12] <xnox> is this the fallout from run away packages or something is wrong with the langpacks?
[10:12] <cjwatson> Yes, gema reported that last night but I didn't have time to investigate
[10:12] <cjwatson> My suspicion is an apt/python-apt regression
[10:12] <cjwatson> Fancy looking into it
[10:12] <cjwatson> ?
[10:12] <xnox> ok, I will try
[10:13] <cjwatson> I actually rather doubt it has anything to do with the packages being installed; you'll probably need to attach strace -f at some point shortly before that and then pore through that
[10:13] <xnox> cjwatson: my only "problem" is that I still didn't figure out how to run ubiquity interactively under pdb and step through things
[10:13] <xnox> hmm... ok
[10:13] <xnox> i see
[10:13] <cjwatson> I doubt that would be of any use in this case
[10:13] <xnox> ok
[10:13] <cjwatson> Given that I strongly suspect it's in apt's C++ code
[10:13] <cjwatson> Seeing as it's bubbling up as a SystemError rather than a sensible Pythonic exception
[10:14] <xnox> cjwatson: was gemma's report on this channel or in #ubuntu-testing?
[10:14] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-release
[10:14] <xnox> ok, no bug number?
[10:14] <xnox> this basically prevents me from further LVM work, unless I use old images...
[10:14] <cjwatson> Doesn't look like it
[10:15] <cjwatson> Oh, bug 1020574
[10:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1020574 in ubiquity "installing ubuntu in VM or real hardware" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1020574
[10:15]  * cjwatson gives that a marginally more sensible title
[10:16] <infinity> A quick grep suggests it's a broken pipe in the decompression bits.
[10:16] <infinity> apt-pkg/contrib/fileutl.cc
[10:16] <infinity> (Honest, I'm asleep)
[10:17] <xnox> infinity: thanks =))) so you don't sleep walk, you sleep code? =)
[10:18] <infinity> Explains most of the armhf port.
[10:18] <xnox> =)))
[10:18] <xnox> from jenkins build log this looks interesting:
[10:18] <xnox> Jul  3 13:18:54 ubuntu apt-setup: warning: /usr/lib/ubiquity/apt-setup/generators/91security returned error code 1; discarding output
[10:19] <xnox> i'm failing to see how that could have failed?!
[10:21] <cjwatson> DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer should reveal why
[10:21] <cjwatson> (assuming you can reproduce it)
[10:25] <xnox> ok
[10:25] <cjwatson> Or of course set -x
[10:59] <xnox> $ find . -name 'plugininstall.py'
[10:59] <xnox> ./scripts/plugininstall.py
[10:59] <xnox> ./ubiquity/components/plugininstall.py
[10:59] <xnox> interesting naming schemes ;-)
[11:00] <cjwatson> The latter is an integration hook for the former
[11:20] <xnox> cjwatson: wasn't bug 882882 already fixed?
[11:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 882882 in ubiquity "installer crash with ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/882882
[11:20]  * xnox is hitting that now *sigh*
[11:20] <cjwatson> That's a generic symptom with many possible causes.
[11:21] <cjwatson> A bit like saying 'wasn't "Segmentation fault" already fixed?'. :-)
[11:23] <xnox> =))))
[11:23] <xnox> but http://pad.lv/977750 is open
[11:27] <cjwatson> What the one-line description of that exception basically means is "the backend process went away for some undetermined reasson"
[11:27] <cjwatson> *reason
[11:27] <cjwatson> I'm not convinced whatever that is with update-notifier is related
[11:28] <cjwatson> And I definitely don't think it's worth going to any effort whatsoever to find duplicate or related bugs
[11:28] <cjwatson> It will be several times quicker to investigate directly
[11:28] <cjwatson> In the case of update-notifier it's *possible* that it means that the debconf stdin/stdout-based protocol has got out of sync somehow, or file descriptors have got muddled
[14:04] <CIA-7> partman-target: cjwatson * r932 ubuntu/ (13 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 78
[14:05] <CIA-7> partman-target: cjwatson * r933 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/clear_partitions):
[14:05] <CIA-7> partman-target: finish.d/clear_partitions: Don't remove /var/lib/mysql or
[14:05] <CIA-7> partman-target: /var/lib/mythtv, since they contain user data in the form of databases
[14:05] <CIA-7> partman-target: (LP: #992241).
[14:07] <CIA-7> partman-target: cjwatson * r934 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 78ubuntu1
[14:11] <CIA-7> partman-target: cjwatson * r932 precise-proposed/ (debian/changelog finish.d/clear_partitions):
[14:11] <CIA-7> partman-target: finish.d/clear_partitions: Don't remove /var/lib/mysql or
[14:11] <CIA-7> partman-target: /var/lib/mythtv, since they contain user data in the form of databases
[14:11] <CIA-7> partman-target: (LP: #992241).
[14:13] <CIA-7> partman-target: cjwatson * r933 precise-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 77ubuntu2.1
[18:57] <stgraber> cjwatson: good, got ubiquity to explode with the transparent proxy, now to confirm that it's fixed with the SRU :)
[19:45] <stgraber> cjwatson: commented on bug 998492, I'm not sure whether to consider this verification-done or verification-failed. I believe the main bug was fixed but ubiquity is clearly not dealing too well with broken http
[19:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 998492 in ubiquity "Fails to detect package download errors on architectures other than amd64" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/998492
[20:57] <jamin> having some trouble automating an install via preseed.  I'd like to encrypt most of the drive using partman-auto/method crypto.  I've written a partitioning recipe that works with the lvm method, but it constantly fails with the crypto method claiming there is no physical volume defined in the volume group, recipe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1075445/
[21:05] <xnox> jamin: which physical devices are in the volume group?
[21:06] <jamin> /dev/sda is called out in the preseed....
[21:07] <jamin> d-i     partman-auto/disk       string  /dev/sda
[21:07] <jamin> and the recipe works as-is if I set the method to lvm
[21:07] <xnox> ok
[21:08] <jamin> I've tried adding a device section to it, but no change in behavior
[21:09] <xnox> jamin: hmmm with crypt i have only use partman-auto with: d-i partman-auto/method string crypto
[21:10] <xnox> that sets up crypt & lvm on top with separate unencrypted boot
[21:10] <xnox> with d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select multi
[21:10] <xnox> separate /home, /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions
[21:10] <jamin> which is what this recipe should do too
[21:11] <xnox> not sure about how to do this correctly manually  / using the expert recipe
[21:11] <jamin> with lvm it creates a separate boot and the rest an lvm volume group
[21:11] <xnox> jamin: parman crypto is always crypto+lvm
[21:11] <xnox> partman-auto does not do crypto without lvm on top
[21:12] <xnox> so partman-auto crypto is actually: /boot on ext && crypt -> lvm -> (partitions)
[21:12] <jamin> right, it should be creating the same lvm groups that the lvm method would create but using crypto too
[21:12] <jamin> right
[21:12] <xnox> jamin: yeah so change the method to crypto, and keep lvmok and the rest of things =/
[21:12]  * xnox haven't done this
[21:13] <jamin> that's exactly what I did, recipe is the same in both cases, just changed the method
[21:16] <jamin> I did get it working with a more basic recipe, but don't see the difference that is breaking it
[21:17] <jamin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1075477/
[21:19] <xnox> this one doesn't actually does lvm
[21:20] <jamin> not directly no, but it does work with method crypto
[21:20] <xnox> sorry, i am no help. will try this some time later.
[21:20] <jamin> it does say $lvmok{ }
[21:21] <jamin> that just gave me an idea
[21:21] <xnox> so, that only optionally allows this partition to be on top of lvm-group
[21:21] <jamin> I'm removing all specific lvm configuration from the desired recipe
[21:21] <xnox> since there is no, format {lvm} anywhere, there lvmok is spuriout
[21:22] <jamin> you would think
[21:22]  * xnox finds recipes confusing beyond partman-auto
[21:22] <xnox> if you get it to work please paste here
[21:22] <jamin> insanely... sadly I don't like any of the automatic partitioning schemes
[21:22] <xnox> other people want this and struggle e.g. http://askubuntu.com/questions/24079/full-disk-encryption-with-preseed
[21:22] <xnox> unless that is you as well ;-)
[21:23] <jamin> nah, not me, but I did use the answer there as my basis
[21:23] <jamin> which is why I started with LVM and got it working
[21:25] <jamin> it's insane but that change worked
[21:26] <xnox> hmm?
[21:26] <xnox> jamin: paste, please =)
[21:26] <jamin> about to... one sec
[21:28] <jamin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1075493/
[21:28] <jamin> That one works
[21:28] <jamin> it shouldn't
[21:28] <xnox> jamin: $ pastebinit path/to/file.txt
[21:28] <jamin> but it does
[21:28] <jamin> sweet, I didn't know that existed
[21:28] <jamin> was doing it manually
[21:29] <xnox> jamin: or it takes a pipe $ command1 | pastebinit
[21:29] <jamin> that recipe lacks any real lvm definition
[21:29] <xnox> in ubuntu package it defaults to ubuntu paste ;-)
[21:29] <jamin> but it creates one and works
[21:30] <jamin> insane
[21:30] <xnox> crypto? =)
[21:30] <jamin> yes
[21:30] <xnox> huh?!
[21:30] <jamin> as in, it solved my problem...
[21:31] <xnox> can you paste the one that works with crypto? or is it just partman-auto/method crypto?
[21:31] <jamin> prompted for a crypto phrase and is installing right now
[21:31] <xnox> what's the rest of the preseed? (unless it's private)
[21:31] <jamin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1075493/ <-- works with  partman-auto/method crypto
[21:32] <xnox> jamin: confusing, but awesome =)
[21:32] <xnox> well not confusing, but rather unintuitive
[21:32] <jamin> indeed
[21:32] <jamin> I've been fighting this for the better part of a day


[10:14] <fortinet> hi FatPaul
[10:19] <luigi> ciao
[13:05] <FatPhil> how do I hibernate from the commandline?
[13:25] <Roberalz[m]> https://linux.die.net/man/8/pm-hibernate
[13:45] <temgi> How does the calamares installer work? Which file is used to determine what gets removed by the minimal install?