  I think the auto-update overwrote the changes I was working on.
[00:06] <godbyk> Today I'm totally kicking myself for setting that up! :)
[00:06] <humphreybc> lol
[00:06] <humphreybc> what do you think about this as the main text on the front page
[00:07] <humphreybc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/398529/
[00:10] <godbyk> sounds too technical-oriented for the audience we're after.
[00:10] <humphreybc> and this is the feature text: http://paste.ubuntu.com/398530/
[00:10] <humphreybc> oh yeah?
[00:10] <humphreybc> hm
[00:10] <godbyk> My mom isn't going to care about the license, the page count, or any of that.
[00:10] <godbyk> Talk about what the manual will help the user do.
[00:11] <godbyk> No one cares that it's in 534 languages.. they only care that it's in their own language.
[00:11] <godbyk> They don't care about the license.
[00:11] <godbyk> Tell them what they'll be able to do after they've read the manual.
[00:11] <godbyk> How will it help them?
[00:12] <humphreybc> "The manual will help you become familiar with everyday
[00:12] <humphreybc> tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and
[00:12] <humphreybc> scanning documents."
[00:14] <humphreybc> "With an emphasis on easy to follow
[00:14] <humphreybc> instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience."
[00:15] <humphreybc> how's that?
[00:16] <humphreybc> I'm going to keep the bit about the license because I think that's important
[00:16] <godbyk> what does this mean?
[00:16] <godbyk> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[00:16] <humphreybc> lol no idea
[00:17] <humphreybc> google it
[00:17] <humphreybc> "http does not support mkdir()"
[00:17] <humphreybc> hmm
[00:20] <Red_HamsterX> "It is written for the community, by the community." as an alternative to using scary terms like "open source" and "license"?
[00:23] <godbyk> humphreybc: http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/ better?
[00:24] <godbyk> I'm going to move daker's stuff over to the live site now.
[00:24] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: Hmm. I really really want to emphasize the open source bit, because it's important that people know about open source
[00:24] <godbyk> so uh.. no one should screw up the things in website/daker (or move them).  :-)
[00:24] <godbyk> humphreybc: emphasize it at the right moment, though.
[00:24] <humphreybc> yeah that's good
[00:25] <Red_HamsterX> I agree that it's important, but it should be mentioned once they're comfortable.
[00:25] <godbyk> when they're visiting your website, looking for help and answers, they don't care at all about open source and it'll just get in their way.
[00:25] <godbyk> you really don't have to beat people over the head with things, they'll generally pick up on it over time.
[00:26] <godbyk> we explain open source in the manual anyway, don't we?
[00:26] <Red_HamsterX> And disambiguate it from Free software to keep Stallman happy?
[00:26] <Red_HamsterX> =P
[00:37] <godbyk> WE'LL DO IT LIVE!  http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[00:41] <Red_HamsterX> ONOZ!
[00:46] <humphreybc> well, that was weird
[00:46]  * humphreybc is beginning to reconsider whether running photoshop under Wine is really worth it when it destroys your compuer
[00:47] <humphreybc> godbyk, heh, i knew all that stuff already
[00:47] <humphreybc> tried restarted X and stuff
[00:47] <humphreybc> i just did another reboot and it worked okay
[00:47] <humphreybc> be back in a sec
[00:47] <godbyk> weird
[01:16] <godbyk> Okay, that does it. I'm going to read a fiction book.
[01:16] <godbyk> I fixed the title for the manual.
[01:17] <godbyk> In the process of setting up the new site, I whacked the builds dir and lost the css and icons and stuff.  whatever
[01:17] <godbyk> will fix it later
[01:17] <godbyk> new builds things are here: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[01:17] <godbyk> I also set up screenshots.ubuntu-maunal.org, but will have to chat with the quickshot guys later to put the code there.
[01:19] <humphreybc> awesome
[01:19] <humphreybc> is the branch broken?
[01:19] <humphreybc> ssh: Could not resolve hostname bazaar.launchpad.net: Name or service not known
[01:19] <humphreybc> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[01:19] <humphreybc> oh nope it worked okay the second time
[01:19] <humphreybc> weird
[01:26] <humphreybc> If anyone sees Daker, tell him I've mocked up a Contributors page
[01:27] <humphreybc> and finalized the text for the website
[01:39] <godbyk> humphreybc: don't break my website or I will hurt you. :)
[01:39] <humphreybc> lol
[01:40] <humphreybc> i'm trying to push some stuff in ubuntu-manual-website
[01:40] <humphreybc> but it looks like daker has locked the branch
[01:44] <godbyk-android> Don't use that branch anyway. It's out of date.
[01:44] <humphreybc> oh
[01:44] <humphreybc> so we're not using that?
[01:44] <humphreybc> it needs to become up to date at some point
[01:45] <godbyk-android> Not sure  I'm not because those files were polder than the ones in ubuntu-manual/website
[01:45] <humphreybc> righto
[01:45] <humphreybc> we'll sort it out later
[01:45] <humphreybc> go back to your novel :)
[02:43] <Red_HamsterX> With a PPA, can we set dependencies on other (already-in-main) packages?
[02:43] <Red_HamsterX> I've never worked directly with one before.
[03:50] <Red_HamsterX> I've added a dependence on python-wnck, but everything titeuf wanted works now.
[03:51] <Red_HamsterX> The dependence is easy to sever if we want to let the user click maximize themselves.
[03:51] <Red_HamsterX> (It's a tiny set of bindings against an always-present Gnome library. It's Canonical-supported)
[04:37] <shrini> team:
[04:37] <shrini> need help
[04:37] <shrini> can not download latest build
[04:37] <shrini> it shows 404 error
[04:37] <shrini> humphreybc: you there?
[04:47] <shrini> http://ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual.pdf
[04:47] <shrini> is not there
[04:47] <shrini> 404 error
[08:11] <humphreybc> so, where are the mugshots? hmm?
[08:16] <godbyk> apparently, no one wants to play.
[08:20] <godbyk> humphreybc: do you have any sort of estimate as to the number of contributors we'll have listed in the credits section?  translators, authors, editors, team leads, designers, website, blah blah blah...
[08:21] <humphreybc> godbyk, have a look in /website/source
[08:21] <humphreybc> contributors.png
[08:21] <humphreybc> something like that perhaps
[08:22] <humphreybc> and if no one sends me mugshots i'll resort to googling your names and finding photos off launchpad
[08:22] <godbyk> lol
[08:22] <humphreybc> godbyk did you get my android gtalk message?
[08:23] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah, I just noticed it.
[08:23] <godbyk> hadn't turned on the sound yet.
[08:23] <humphreybc> ah right
[08:23] <humphreybc> i want to see how latitude works
[08:23] <humphreybc> hmm
[08:24] <humphreybc> howcome i can't see you in my friends list
[08:24] <humphreybc> ?
[08:24] <humphreybc> do I have to do something special?
[08:25] <humphreybc> ahh
[08:25] <humphreybc> i have to add you
[08:25] <humphreybc> godbyk, I added you, you probably have to accept
[08:32] <godbyk> yay, thorwil's here!
[08:32] <thorwil> morning! :)
[08:33] <godbyk> I just woke up from a four-hour nap.  Didn't get much reading done!
[08:34] <humphreybc> hey thorwil
[08:34] <humphreybc> remember the first thing you were going to do? :P
[08:42] <godbyk> okay, 'bzr status' says I haven't modified anything, but when I do a bzr pull, it says the branches have diverged and I have to merge 'em.  what's up with that?
[08:42] <humphreybc> no idea lol
[08:42] <humphreybc> bzr is weird
[08:44] <godbyk> crap.
[08:44] <godbyk> I think I committed something but didn't push it.
[09:27] <thorwil> awesome. an unfilled rectangle in my svg becomes a filled one in pdf
[09:28] <godbyk> thorwil: nice.  so are the problems with the PDF format itself or with inkscape's export function?
[09:29] <thorwil> godbyk: no idea and doesn't really matter
[09:34] <thorwil> godbyk: turning the stroke into a path makes this work. gonna try a minimal case and report that bug
[09:34] <godbyk> 'kay
[09:36] <thorwil> so that was my x-session suddenly disappearing
[09:36] <humphreybc1> happened to me too!
[09:36] <humphreybc1> on lucid?
[09:38] <thorwil> no, still karmic
[09:39] <humphreybc1> hm
[09:39] <thorwil> humphreybc1: work on logo takes a bit longer as i'm trying to make it pdf-compatible
[09:39] <humphreybc1> thorwil: that's okay
[10:01] <thorwil> humphreybc1, godbyk: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/ba2ef5cd976bd1d63992669bc9f84f5d
[10:02] <godbyk> thorwil: I think the bottom one with the lighter border color looks better.
[10:03] <humphreybc1> yep
[10:03] <humphreybc1> I agree with Kevin
[10:04] <humphreybc1> I wonder what it would look like with a small drop shadow underneat?
[10:04]  * humphreybc1 loves drop shadows
[10:04] <godbyk> humphreybc1: is obsessed with drop shadows.
[10:04] <godbyk> I think a drop shadow would just muddy up the image.
[10:04] <humphreybc1> it might do
[10:04] <humphreybc1> just below the book
[10:04] <humphreybc1> not around it
[10:04] <humphreybc1> like a blog
[10:04] <humphreybc1> blob*
[10:04] <humphreybc1> actually
[10:04] <humphreybc1> it probably would mess it up a bit
[10:05] <godbyk> we're using flat glyphs everywhere else, why would we want the logo to be 3d?
[10:05] <humphreybc1> godbyk, don't make me suggest we change everything else to 3D with drop shadows
[10:05] <humphreybc1> ;)
[10:05] <humphreybc1> okay fair enough
[10:05] <humphreybc1> no drop shadow
[10:05] <godbyk> never fear.  I have a strong suspicion that thorwil would reject that notion out of hand. :)
[10:06] <humphreybc1> of course he would
[10:06]  * humphreybc1 <3 thorwil
[10:06] <thorwil> lol
[10:07] <thorwil> humphreybc1: you wanted different sizes?
[10:07] <humphreybc1> Red_HamsterX, TommyBrunn, Jono keeps harassing me about python snippets
[10:07] <humphreybc1> thorwil: yeah that would be nice. i suppose i could work out how to change the size in Inkscape though
[10:07] <humphreybc1> I might be capable of that
[10:07] <humphreybc1> :P
[10:08] <godbyk> well it's not always a matter of just scaling the image up or down.
[10:08] <godbyk> the larger images can afford more detail than the smaller version.
[10:08] <godbyk> versions.
[10:08] <godbyk> and the line thicknesses may need to be adjusted, too.
[10:08] <humphreybc1> thorwil, just if you could do small/medium and large versions of both the logo + wording and then just the logo
[10:08] <humphreybc1> true
[10:08] <thorwil> humphreybc1: this is all aligned to the pixel grid. if you choose a size where things don't end up on the grid again, things get blurry
[10:09] <humphreybc1> so the largest would be about the size of the one on the website/wiki ... before I made it smaller, if you remember that
[10:09] <humphreybc1> smallest would be about 20x20
[10:09] <humphreybc1> I'm sure you know what I mean
[10:10] <humphreybc1> we need to cover launchpad, wiki, website, facebook, twitter, identi.ca, that other thing that godbyk set up which has kudos and also in the manual
[10:10] <godbyk> most of those are using nice binary multiples.. 16x16, 32x32, 64x64, 128x128, etc.
[10:10] <thorwil> humphreybc1: i actually think the current size might be just fine for wiki and website. this graphic doesn't gain anything by growing larger, there's no detail to add
[10:11] <humphreybc1> okay
[10:11] <humphreybc1> binary sizes are good
[10:11] <humphreybc1> what godbyk said
[10:11] <godbyk> I'm going to a TeX conference at the beginning of July. Just looking over the presentations they've accepted so far, and some will be handy to see.
[10:11]  * godbyk is excited about the conference even though normal people would find it terribly dull.
[10:11] <humphreybc1> hahaha
[10:12] <humphreybc1> YAY!
[10:12] <humphreybc1> Tex!
[10:13] <thorwil> humphreybc1: favicon 16x16. launchpad uses 14x14?
[10:13] <humphreybc1> yeah launchpad are weird
[10:13] <humphreybc1> they have three different sizes
[10:13] <godbyk> 14x14? seriously?
[10:13] <humphreybc1> 14x14, 64x64 and 192x192
[10:13] <humphreybc1> I think
[10:13] <humphreybc1> 14x14 is for the little teeny icon
[10:13] <godbyk> wtf is that about.  that's just wrong.
[10:13] <humphreybc1> lol
[10:18] <godbyk> humphreybc1: This TeX talk sounds insane! http://tug.org/tug2010/abstracts/verna.txt  (I can't wait to hear it!)
[10:18] <humphreybc1> lolwut
[10:18] <humphreybc1> Latex and biology?
[10:18] <humphreybc1> stranger things have happened I guess
[10:19] <godbyk> evolving macros sound scary to me. :)
[10:19] <godbyk> Okay, I'm off to read some more and then get some real sleep.
[10:19] <godbyk> G'night!
[10:20] <humphreybc1> night!
[10:39] <dutchie> night godbyk
[10:40] <dutchie> morning everyone else
[10:44] <dutchie> did Red_HamsterX get his dependencies sorted?
[10:48] <humphreybc1>    hi dutche
[10:48] <humphreybc1> blah
[10:52] <humphreybc1> dutchie, email your mugshot please :)
[10:53] <dutchie> will http://media.joshh.co.uk/~jrh/me.jpg do?
[10:54] <humphreybc1> yea that'll work
[10:54] <humphreybc1> :)
[10:55] <humphreybc1> awesome, you can drag images from chrome to a folder and it downloads the image/sticks it in the folder
[10:55] <humphreybc1> I didn't know that
[11:06] <humphreybc1> might hit the sack soon too
[11:13] <humphreybc1> dutchie, if you see daker could you tell him:
[11:13] <humphreybc1> 1) I've finalized the text for the website
[11:14] <humphreybc1> and 2) I've added a mockup of what the contributors page should look like
[11:14] <dutchie> will do
[11:14] <humphreybc1> both the text and the new mockup are under website/source in the main manual branch
[11:14] <humphreybc1> and the text is actually in the mockups, not in text files or anything
[11:15] <humphreybc1> thanks
[11:15] <humphreybc1> and with that, i'm off to bed
[11:15] <humphreybc1> night!
[11:20] <humphreybc1> before I forget
[11:20] <humphreybc1> thorwil, i'll need the new logo in different sizes in my inbox by 0400 UTC on Monday
[11:21] <humphreybc1> godbyk, can you make sure that the download link for the english manual is working and the bug form is working before 0800 UTC on Monday
[11:22] <humphreybc1> I'm going to post the OMG! Ubuntu! article at about 0900 UTC on Monday
[11:22] <thorwil> humphreybc1: any other sizes than given, 14, 16, 64 and 192 px?
[11:22] <humphreybc1> dutchie, if you have time, go through the current bugs and triage them so they're completely up to date, remove any that have been fixed. We need a clean slate to work from for this week
[11:22] <dutchie> ok
[11:23] <humphreybc1> thorwil: You could do a really nice high res one :)
[11:23] <humphreybc1> and you're including the text as well?
[11:23] <thorwil> humphreybc1: only with currents size was the plan
[11:24] <humphreybc1> cool
[11:24] <humphreybc1> I can just crop the logo out when I need to use it without the text
[11:24] <godbyk-android> Make sure daker pulls my updates before changing things. (He's new to bzr.)
[11:24] <humphreybc1> sweet
[11:25] <humphreybc1> right, everyone got all that? I'll be back in about 16 hours.
[11:25]  * humphreybc1 has to sleep, then has uni
[11:25] <godbyk-android> ditto.
[11:26] <humphreybc1> sweet. dutchie, because you're going to be up for the better part of the next 16 hours, you're in charge. If daker comes, make sure he knows what's going on.
[11:26] <dutchie> ok
[11:26] <humphreybc1> sweet :)
[11:26] <humphreybc1> night!
[13:30] <komsas> cat /home/komsas/.irssi/nicklistfifo
[15:33] <shrini> team:
[15:34] <shrini> today we had a good time
[15:34] <shrini> with translating ubuntu manual into tamil
[15:34] <shrini> thanks all for your support
[15:34] <shrini> we did some 20% of work
[15:45] <ubuntujenkins> hows everyone doing?
[16:12] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: hai
[16:12] <shrini> we did some translation in tamil
[16:12] <shrini> some 20-30% of job is done
[16:13] <ubuntujenkins> Thats realy good news shrini
[16:13] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: we had a lot of fun here
[16:14] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: translation is a great job
[16:14] <ubuntujenkins> glad you like it
[16:16] <ubuntujenkins> does any one know where i can find the minutes to yesterdays meeting? I can't find them in the logs and they are not on the wiki
[16:19] <shrini> i too want it
[16:21] <shrini> thanks a lot for all your support and encouragement
[16:21] <shrini> we will keep on doing in this week days, if possible
[16:21] <shrini> if not, we will gathewr in the weekend and do it
[16:21] <shrini> 12 people of our kanchilug came here and do it
[16:21] <ubuntujenkins> good to see you are making progress and haveing fun whilst doing it :-)
[16:23] <shrini> :-)
[16:23] <shrini> we all gathered in my home
[16:23] <shrini> mom and dad keep on giving tea,busicuts, snacks etc
[16:23] <shrini> hahaha
[16:23] <ubuntujenkins> haha sounds fun
[16:23] <shrini> we kept on discussing, writing, kidding on our tamil knowledge
[16:24] <shrini> today only we know that how we are lack in tamil
[16:24] <shrini> hahhaa
[16:24] <shrini> but still the group activity gave us the
[16:24] <shrini> enthuasism to do it
[16:25] <shrini> now 2 guys are uploading their work in LP
[16:25] <ubuntujenkins> nice
[16:27] <shrini> thanks a lot
[16:27] <shrini> now going for dinner
[16:27] <shrini> will update the status as we do
[16:27] <ubuntujenkins> hope the food is good
[16:27] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[16:28] <shrini> true
[16:28] <shrini> okey
[16:28] <shrini> catch you later
[16:28] <ubuntujenkins> bye o/
[16:46] <Daker> hi!!!
[16:47] <Daker> anyone here ?
[16:48] <ubuntujenkins> hello Daker
[16:48] <Daker> how are u @all ?
[16:49] <ubuntujenkins> I am a little tired but good. you?
[16:49] <Daker> fine, with some DNS problem yesterday :)
[16:50] <ubuntujenkins> I guess its all sorted now then
[16:50] <Daker> yeah
[16:51] <ubuntujenkins> good good
[16:51] <dutchie> ooh, Daker
[16:51] <Daker> hi dutchie
[16:51] <ubuntujenkins> are dutchie do we have minutes for the meeting yet?
[16:51] <dutchie> 11:13:50 < humphreybc1> dutchie, if you see daker could you tell him:
[16:51] <dutchie> 11:13:57 < humphreybc1> 1) I've finalized the text for the website
[16:51] <dutchie> 11:14:07 < humphreybc1> and 2) I've added a mockup of what the contributors page should look like
[16:51] <dutchie> 11:14:24 < dutchie> will do
[16:51] <dutchie> 11:14:32 < humphreybc1> both the text and the new mockup are under website/source in the main manual branch
[16:51] <dutchie> 11:14:40 < humphreybc1> and the text is actually in the mockups, not in text files or anything
[16:52] <dutchie> 11:15:03 < humphreybc1> thanks
[16:52] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: don't think so
[16:52] <ubuntujenkins> ok did i miss much?
[16:52] <dutchie> we had it in #ubuntu-meeting, that could be why you can't find it in the logs
[16:52] <ubuntujenkins> I looked in #ubuntu-meeting but still couldn't find them i will doubel check
[16:53] <dutchie> Daker: got all that?
[16:53] <Daker> yeah got it
[16:53] <ubuntujenkins> there is no log http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/20/%23launchpad-meeting.html
[16:54] <Daker> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[16:54] <Daker> ubuntujenkins, :)
[16:55] <ubuntujenkins> i was loking at lanchpad meeting thanks Daker I have only had 8 hours sleep since friday
[16:55] <Daker> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ is it godbyk how made this ?
[17:02] <Daker> be back taler
[17:04] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87 and Red_HamsterX it looks like the meeting went well yesterday. Thanks for all your work so far, is there anything i can do at the moment to help?
[17:06] <titeuf_87> looks like Red_HamsterX implemented a lot of the stuff already we talked about yesterday
[17:06] <ubuntujenkins> I am so pleased with how quickly it is coming along
[17:07] <ubuntujenkins> I can give you the latest screenshot list
[17:08] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, can you take a look at server/screencaps/config/dictionary and see if that's simple enough?
[17:08] <titeuf_87> this is where the list of screenshots that needs to be taken will be stored
[17:08] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/398864/, it the list I think the quickshot live cd will be easy i am having compliing issues at the moment though
[17:08]  * ubuntujenkins looks
[17:11] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: it looks good to me, will it contain all of the screenshots or will there be a file for each screenshot, what is the #=sub-rect= line and the one below mean?
[17:11] <ubuntujenkins> currently commented out
[17:12] <titeuf_87> that is if we only need a small part of a screenshot and not the whole window
[17:12] <titeuf_87> or in case of fullscreen windows to just grab the network list for instance
[17:13] <ubuntujenkins> i see how does the cordiates work? point to start from then size of box?
[17:14] <titeuf_87> I guess top-left corner and bottom-right corner, but I haven't played with it yet
[17:15] <ubuntujenkins> thats great
[18:31] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, it's top-left and dimensions.
[18:31] <Red_HamsterX> A negative value for top or left will make it relative ot the opposite side.
[18:32] <Red_HamsterX> I can change anything quite easily, if needed.
[18:36] <Red_HamsterX> (Especially since I'm no longer bound to my netbook, so I can actually code things quickly)
[18:49] <shrini> http://ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual.pdf
[18:49] <shrini> is not working
[18:55] <godbyk-android> shrini: try builds.ubuntu-manual.org.
[18:55] <shrini> great
[18:55] <shrini> but
[18:56] <shrini> this link is not in wiki page
[18:56] <shrini> that non working link only given there
[18:56] <shrini> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[18:56] <godbyk-android> We'll need to fix the wiki page then.
[18:56] <shrini> :-)
[18:56] <shrini> last week it worked well
[18:57] <ubuntujenkins> ok that sounds good Red_HamsterX
[18:57] <godbyk-android> It's a completely different website as of yesterday, though.
[18:57]  * ubuntujenkins edits wiki
[18:59] <godbyk-android> Thanks, ubuntujenkins!
[18:59] <ubuntujenkins> no problem its being slow today
[19:00] <ubuntujenkins> will be done when it loads
[19:09] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: You are aware you can't download the any pdfs or text files from builds.ubuntu-manual.org?
[19:09] <godbyk-android> That may be true. I'm still getting it setup.
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> thats ok I have pointed the wiki at the uk version like before
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> *us english
[19:10] <godbyk-android> Okay. I'll get things updated in just a but.
[19:10] <godbyk-android> Bit.
[19:11] <ubuntujenkins> no problem just wanted to make sure you were aware
[19:26] <shrini> team: here is our fun day. http://kanchilug.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/translating-ubuntu-manual-into-tamil/
[19:26] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: already reading it :-)
[19:26] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: thanks a lot
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> shrini: in the picture below "My mom and dad made us tireless with their snacks, tea, juice and sweet words. They are so proud of the team on this work." what is the guy in the picture holding? is it a cd?
[19:30] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: yes.
[19:30] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: ubuntu CD
[19:30] <shrini> custom made cover to distribute locally
[19:30] <ubuntujenkins> I like the case design
[19:30] <shrini> :-)
[19:52] <godbyk> Okay, I'm back at my computer again. Let me look at the build site stuff.
[20:05] <godbyk> Hey, vish, are you around?
[20:05] <vish> godbyk: yup
[20:06] <godbyk> vish: What icons would you suggest I use to link to the manual PDFs and log files on the ubuntu-manual build page?
[20:06] <godbyk> http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[20:07] <godbyk> I had some ugly ones before, but I accidentally deleted them when I moved the builds page.
[20:07] <godbyk> (Along with the .css file.)
[20:07] <vish> godbyk: you can use the same icons used in lp
[20:07] <godbyk> where are they?
[20:08] <vish> hmm.. lemme check
[20:11] <vish> godbyk: https://launchpad.net/+icing/rev9091/icon-sprites
[20:11] <vish> godbyk: save that as a png , it has several icons
[20:12] <vish> godbyk: also > https://launchpad.net/@@/build-success
[20:13] <godbyk> ooh.. nice checkbox.  is there a build-failure, too?
[20:13] <godbyk> there is!
[20:14] <godbyk> vish: I didn't see a pdf or log file icon in the sprites.
[20:16] <vish> godbyk: hmm , i dont think we have a pdf , the icon-sprites have several icons.. there is one with "files" and a file too
[20:18] <vish> godbyk: or you can just grab the pdf icon from the humanity theme , there is a 16px icon and a 16px log icon
[20:18] <vish> godbyk: pdf > /usr/share/icons/Humanity/mimes/16/gnome-mime-application-pdf.svg
[20:19] <vish> godbyk: for logfile > /usr/share/icons/Humanity/apps/16/accessories-text-editor.svg
[20:22] <godbyk> I think I may use launchpad's file icon for the log files and their download icon for the pdf. let me try that real quick and see if it makes sense.
[20:23] <vish> yeah..
[20:26] <vish> godbyk: for log file you can use the dots with lines like the one used for changelog here > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gtk2-engines-murrine
[20:32]  * vish ZZzzz...
[20:33]  * ubuntujenkins is going to restart and try the first every ubuntu manual quickshot live cd
[20:36] <dutchie> ooh, nice idea
[20:38] <godbyk> wow! that sounds impressive!
[20:54] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: does it work?
[20:54] <ubuntujenkins> erm no I think i forgot to change something I got ditracted whilst making it I am wrting a script to do it as i think I will be trying to do this a few times.
[20:55] <ubuntujenkins> also I have onlly had 8 hours sleep since friday
[20:55] <ubuntujenkins> and my typing is awful
[21:11] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: where was the bad wiki link (to the PDF)?
[21:12] <ubuntujenkins> erm it was on the download buttonon the home page I can't use the internet to check it i acedently removed my resolve.conf
[21:14] <godbyk> k
[21:14] <ubuntujenkins> but irc still works
[21:15] <godbyk> vish: Looking a little better?  http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[21:15] <godbyk> I'm still fiddling with the css to format the table (adjusting the spacing, mostly).
[21:15] <godbyk> brb. need food. starving.
[21:25] <godbyk> back
[22:48] <godbyk> I just printed the whole manual, so I'll sit down and start reading through it and marking it up soon.


[12:55] <bryce> kylem: done
[12:56] <kylem> thanks.
[12:56] <bryce> kylem: would you be able to sponsor an upload of the gutsy deb?
[12:58] <kylem> yeah, sure
[12:58] <bryce> much appreciated
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #122958 in xorg-driver-synaptics (main) "Trackpad quite sluggish with default acceleration settings (dup-of: 37234)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122958
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #122964 in xorg-driver-synaptics (main) "Enable two-finger scrolling by default (dup-of: 37234)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122964
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #37234 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "synaptics should allow runtime configuration (eg. Option SHMConfig on)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37234
[10:15] <tepsipakki> bryce: hey, I'm back to work this and the next week :)
[10:15] <bryce> heya tepsipakki welcome back!  :-)
[10:16] <bryce> tepsipakki: I've got this coming week (except wed which is a holiday), but then next week is the gutsy sprint in London
[10:16] <tepsipakki> it's 25C outside, so a bit hard staying inside pretending to be working
[10:16] <bryce> I have been focusing on packaging lately, but hope to focus this week on bulletproof-x
[10:16] <bryce> heh, nice
[10:18] <bryce> tepsipakki: btw, I did some research into a common error message received on -intel, and have been trying to collect them + workarounds into a table:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/IntelDriverBugs
[10:18] <tepsipakki> I've got a lot of stuff piled up, and don't know where to start :P
[10:19] <tepsipakki> bryce: ok, I'll have a look
[10:20] <bryce> also, I am going to try to get some more folks from ubuntuforum.org involved in testing:  http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=238.  I hope people will post on that thread.  Guess we'll see
[10:20] <tepsipakki> hmm, you use -1 for ubuntu packages?
[10:20] <bryce> how do you mean?
[10:21] <tepsipakki> like xrandr (1:1.2.1-1)
[10:21] <bryce> no, I use -0ubuntu1
[10:21] <bryce> if I used -1, it's an error
[10:21] <tepsipakki> right :)
[10:22] <bryce> aw rats
[10:22] <tepsipakki> and nv
[10:22] <tepsipakki> :)
[10:22] <bryce> thanks, I missed that, damn
[10:22] <bryce> I'll fix tomorrow
[10:23] <bryce> also, while you were gone I decided to start a page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X.  It's pretty ugly so far, but it's a start.  I want to make it into a one-stop-shop for xorg packagers and testers
[10:24] <tepsipakki> ah, cool
[10:25] <bryce> I've also made progress on the testing stuff I mentioned before.  Still not quite to a point to show things off, but it's proving handy here locally.
[10:28] <tepsipakki> I have gutsy on my old laptop (T23), but should get a new one hopefully before gutsy is frozen (a T61 or X61s)
[10:29] <bryce> cool
[10:29] <bryce> I have a T30 for testing, but currently it's busted (doing bulletproof-x devel stuff on it)
[10:29] <tepsipakki> X61s has intel graphics, but T61 has nvidia too
[10:30] <tepsipakki> and I can't decide which one is more useful
[10:30] <bryce> mm
[10:30] <bryce> both seem to have many interesting issues
[10:31] <tepsipakki> I bet
[10:31] <tepsipakki> nvidia has more oomph, but..
[10:31] <bryce> guess it depends on how you intend to use it
[10:32] <tepsipakki> guess it'll be broken most of the time :)
[10:32] <bryce> performance vs. compatibility
[10:32] <bryce> hehe :-)
[10:32] <tepsipakki> like the current one
[10:33] <tepsipakki> there's fglrx installation instructions under nvidia on the wiki-page :)
[10:33] <bryce> oops
[10:33] <tepsipakki> I'll fix
[10:34] <bryce> cool thx
[10:46] <bryce> night
[10:48] <tepsipakki> yep, see you
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #123712 in xserver-xorg-video-amd (universe) "[gutsy tribe 2]  Live CD fails to initialite AGP on ATI Mobility 9600" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123712
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #43267 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Redraw problems when scrolling in GNOME" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43267
[01:10] <mvo> bryce: please let me know if -video-nv needs sponsoring
[01:11] <mvo> bryce: ohn, nevermind :)
[01:18] <tepsipakki> sweet, intel-2.1.0
[01:19] <tepsipakki> which should have fixed support for i830
[01:44] <jcristau> yup, it does
[01:46] <tepsipakki> I wonder if ubuntu could then dump i810 in favor of intel, the current situation is a bit messy imho
[02:00] <kylem> tepsipakki, no. there's still issues on i855 and i915
[02:03] <tepsipakki> duh
[02:04] <kylem> :\
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #123751 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (main) "removing grab support is wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123751
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #120811 in firefox (main) "firefox displays fonts smaller than it should have (dup-of: 118745)" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120811
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #123775 in xorg (main) "Synaptics touchpad is incorrectly recogonised as a "ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse"" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123775
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #45685 in Ubuntu "Keyboard and mouse stop working in Gnome after typing break" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45685
[06:58] <kylem> tepsipakki, bryce, fwiw, just uploaded -intel 2.1.0 merged from Debian
[06:58] <bryce> kylem: awesome
[07:01] <kylem> did someone sponsor the -nv upload?
[07:01] <jcristau> hmm, i should upload nv in debian :)
[07:01] <bryce> kylem: nope
[07:04] <bryce> should be ready to go though; not sure if anyone besides me has tested it yet, but I had no troubles with it
[07:04] <tepsipakki> nv should be syncable once jcristau uploads it in debian ;)
[07:05] <jcristau> my uploads for anything other than intel are utterly untested
[07:05] <bryce> kylem: oh one thing that reminds me, I forgot to change -1 to -0ubuntu1
[07:05] <kylem> ah, that's easily fixed.
[07:06] <kylem> tepsipakki, i dunno if we can sync out of incoming. i'm new to archive powahz.
[07:06] <jcristau> you can. don't ask me how, though :)
[07:07] <tepsipakki> bryce: it's been done, but I don't know either
[07:07] <tepsipakki> ..how
[07:07] <jcristau> i know it has been done when i was uploading 7.2 stuff
[07:07] <tepsipakki> yes, seb128 was doing that then
[07:07] <kylem> ok cool
[07:13] <tepsipakki> ah, nv has patches, so no sync
[07:16] <jcristau> i guess i could have a look at your patches... would be easier if they were in git though (hint hint)
[07:16] <jcristau> ;)
[07:16] <tepsipakki> hehe
[07:17] <jcristau> anyway, nv should hit incoming in 5 minutes or so
[07:17] <kylem> groovy.
[07:17] <tepsipakki> there are only two of them, one upstream and the other from fedora I think
[07:22] <tepsipakki> jcristau: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4686
[07:23] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 4686 in Driver/nVidia (open) "comb effect with nv driver (GeForce Fx 5200)" [Normal,New]
[07:27] <kylem> bryce, ping me if youw ant me to upload -nv
[07:27] <kylem> bryce, ben just acked it
[07:27] <bryce> cool
[07:27] <bryce> yes if you could upload it, that'd be great
[07:28] <bryce> (or sync jcristau's - I'm assuming they're the same)
[07:28] <kylem> ah, want to post yours, i'll debdiff and take a look
[07:28] <tepsipakki> bryce: no, there are two patches that we have
[07:28] <bryce> kylem:  sure one sec
[07:29] <bryce> there is one thing that will differ from debian
[07:29] <kylem> jcristau, can you add me to the XSF, or should i bug gravit ylater?
[07:29] <bryce> I reduced the build-dependency for xorg-server-dev back to 1.2.0 so we could build this on Feisty
[07:30] <jcristau> kylem: i'll do it
[07:30] <kylem> jcristau, thanks.
[07:30] <bryce> jcristau, I wanted to ask about this - the changelog says this was done for xsfbs, but I was wondering how critical that was?
[07:31] <kylem> seems like we'll be backporting most of gutsy to feisty.
[07:31] <bryce> :-/
[07:31] <jcristau> bryce: it's needed to generate the dependency on xserver-xorg-core and the xserver-xorg-video-1.0 Provides
[07:32] <bryce> certain companies need to learn to time their product releases to ours ;-)
[07:32] <jcristau> but you can hardcode that in debian/control instead in your backports
[07:32] <bryce> ok
[07:32] <kylem> bryce, no kidding.
[07:33] <kylem> i will be ranting about this in london.
[07:33] <bryce> nice
[07:35] <jcristau> kylem: you should be in pkg-xorg now (when nscd decides to let you in, that is)
[07:35] <kylem> ok, thanks.
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #123820 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "nvidia driver useEDID work-around causes worse problems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123820
[08:31] <kylem> sigh.
[08:31] <kylem> bryce, you have any pending changes to mesa? i need to do an upload to get my q33 working. :/
[08:32] <bryce> nope, you're good
[08:33] <jcristau> what did you do about the libosmesa soname change btw?
[08:34] <kylem> i didn't know anything linked to it.
[08:35] <jcristau> libOSMesa.so.6 used to be in libgl1-mesa-swx11, so packages linked to it might still depend on that package
[08:36] <jcristau> (in debian, that's the case for tlprender and sppc)
[08:36] <jcristau> which means i broke them when i moved libOSMesa.so.6 in libosmesa6 in 6.5.2 (oops)
[08:37] <kylem> hm.
[08:38] <jcristau> so you might want to rebuild these packages, at least :)
[08:39] <kylem> sigh.
[08:39] <kylem> mesa is such a mess.
[08:39] <kylem> (upstream)
[08:39] <kylem> -ECHAN
[08:40] <jcristau> (that said, it's possible the soname change will be reverted upstream, which would be good)
[08:41] <kylem> someday i will fork mesa.
[08:41] <kylem> and remove vms support.
[08:41] <jcristau> heh
[08:41] <kylem> srsly.
[08:42] <bryce> heh
[08:46] <jcristau> it was a lot of fun when it also had an mia debian maintainer
[09:03] <kylem> heh
[10:22] <kylem> Subject: Accepted mesa 7.0.0-0ubuntu2 (source)
[10:22] <kylem> groovtastic.
[10:34] <bryce> cool
[10:35] <kylem> seems to be working.
[10:35] <kylem> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)


[20:52] <mup> Bug #1568602 opened: Cannot build OS X client with stock Go 1.6 <ci> <go1.6> <osx> <packaging> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568602>
[21:41] <davecheney> thumper: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4505/
[21:41] <davecheney> for review
[21:41] <davecheney> cherylj: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4505/
[21:47] <thumper> davecheney: shipit
[21:55] <mup> Bug #1554193 changed: deploying local charm twice only deploys first version <2.0-count> <juju-release-support> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1554193>
[23:49] <davecheney> thumper: oh, and I got the gomanta fix upstreamed
[23:50] <thumper> davecheney: yeah, saw that
[23:50] <davecheney> another bug down
[23:51] <davecheney> it's good that we can call in a favor at joyent
[23:59]  * thumper nods
[23:59] <thumper> wallyworld: welcome back
[23:59] <wallyworld> thumper: thanks, was looking forward to this day for 2 weeks :-)
[23:59] <thumper> wallyworld: really?


[12:35] <crimsun> egads, how many ieee80211 trees are in the kernel?
[01:14] <jmg> BenC: ping
[01:15] <jmg> BenC: im going to try and merge manoj's xen changes into kernel-package
[01:16] <jmg> BenC: just out of curiosity, why dont the arch tags in rules get updated?
[02:27] <jmg> (the banner at the top)
[05:21] <jmg> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/+bug/40088
[05:27] <jmg> *wink* *nudge*
[09:23] <jmg> ubuntu xen 3.0.2 packages -> deb http://debian.thoughtcrime.co.nz/ubuntu/ dapper main xen
[09:23] <jmg> neuralis: vote for me: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/+bug/40088
[01:58] <zul> heylo
[11:12] <chrish01> i noticed iscsi drivers in dapper kernel ... anyone know if the userspace utils will get included?
[11:13] <BenC> there's not really any iscsi stuff in the kernel
[11:14] <chrish01> well, iscsi_trgt is there
[11:15] <chrish01> which i got working and everything ... just required me to build the userspace daemon


[03:14] <desrt> DBO: lulz.  you're on 2nd page.
[03:14]  * desrt gives upboats
[10:42] <BigW> Greetings
[13:41] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/824158
[13:41] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 824158 in nautilus "Progress bar gets invisible in gnome3" [Undecided,New]
[13:41] <dupondje> this should get fixed :(
[14:34] <czajkowski> upgraded to Oneiric, but cannot launch Gwibber and keep getting couch Db issues with U1 contacts and gwibber
[15:46] <dupondje> [  491.846505] gnome-shell[2465]: segfault at 8 ip 00007fb650b38bf6 sp 00007fb6298e4b30 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.2918.0[7fb650ad9000+f4000]
[15:46] <dupondje> [  517.477197] gnome-shell[2513] general protection ip:7fd699365505 sp:7ffff049ec90 error:0 in libglib-2.0.so.0.2918.0[7fd699305000+f4000]
[15:46] <dupondje> not cool :)
[16:29] <BigW> czajkowski, gwibber is not using couch for some time now.
[16:46] <smspillaz> nope
[16:46] <smspillaz> oops
[17:20] <psusi> for the last few weeks on oneiric on my laptop, the X server refuses to start.  I think it is complaining about not being able to find the keyboard.  Can someone take a look at the log and see if that is correct? http://pastebin.com/qsV1TN2N
[17:21] <psusi> I have a hunch that it has to do with the synaptics touchpad driver taking over the ps/2 controller completely, which also handles the keyboard
[18:13] <czajkowski> bryceh: ok, so any idea why it won't launch so from oneiric ?
[20:21] <dupondje> what package should I report a bug when backlight is wrongly  changed ? :)
[20:56] <dupondje> jbicha: alive atm ?
[21:55] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/221475
[21:55] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 221475 in gnome-power-manager "Brightness increases higher than settings" [Low,Confirmed]
[21:55] <dupondje> added a patch, dunno if somebody could check/upload  ?


[00:11]  * infinity wonders idly why sru-report exploded...
[00:25] <knome> hey skaet
[00:37] <skaet> hiya knome
[02:50] <infinity> cjwatson: Did you want to verify bug #1038961 at some point, so we can release those apt updates?
[02:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1038961 in apt "Maximum override line length is too short" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1038961
[04:22] <ScottK> Right.  That one.
[08:35] <cjwatson> plars: the README advises on specific things that should be measured in order to adjust the lowmem thresholds in d-i
[08:35] <cjwatson> balloons: pretty much everywhere, and it will be automatically upgraded
[08:36] <cjwatson> Laney: hmm.  probably a regression from python rewrite / private branch merge.  thanks, I'll have a look
[08:36] <cjwatson> infinity: I'd love to verify that bug but haven't had time yet.  I have a to-do item for it ...
[08:40] <ogra_> cjwatson, seems our current kernel and initrd dont boot in 64M (there were some ltsp people testing with 64M clients, they seem to not have enough ram left to mount /)
[08:40] <cjwatson> Laney: ah - regression due to the awkward config kludge that's in place to mediate between shell and python during the transition.  I've updated the whitelist so it should work now; retrying
[08:40] <cjwatson> ogra_: lovely :-/
[08:41] <cjwatson> Laney: yeah, that's working now
[09:02] <Laney> cjwatson: good news
[09:02] <Laney> cjwatson: now bad news, I have a grub rescue prompt :-)
[09:02] <cjwatson> on upgrade?
[09:03] <cjwatson> https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell
[09:03] <cjwatson> follow that and then get me a bug report :)
[09:03] <Laney> yep
[09:03] <Laney> will do
[09:04] <cjwatson> gosh, apparently no other bug reports about grub 2.00 yet
[09:05] <Laney> popey reported that he got a rescue shell in #-uk
[09:05] <Laney> not sure if that turned into a bug
[09:05] <popey> it didnt
[09:05] <popey> i have two disks in this machine, may be user error
[09:05] <cjwatson> most grub bugs with multiple disks are user error :)
[09:05] <cjwatson> sudo debconf-show grub-pc
[09:06] <ogra_> so change the user !
[09:06]  * xnox is lucky with lvm & using stable device-mapper names to actually boot ;-)
[09:06] <popey> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1204374
[09:06] <xnox> even after resizing and splicing my LUKS partition in half everything just worked =) grub2.00 win =)
[09:06] <popey> i have 12.04 on one partition and 12.10 on another
[09:07] <cjwatson> popey: now check whether /dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_HD103SI_S1VSJ90B701831 actually corresponds to the disk you're booting from
[09:07] <cjwatson> popey: on multiple-disk machines I normally advise installing GRUB to the MBRs of all the disks to avoid confusion
[09:07] <popey> cjwatson, well, i had to change the boot order in bios to make it boot
[09:07] <cjwatson> excellent sign of user error, yes :)
[09:07] <popey> :)
[09:07] <Laney> heh
[09:07] <cjwatson> sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[09:08] <popey> it doesnt offer which disks to install onto
[09:08] <cjwatson> continue through all the other prompts, and select the MBRs of all non-removable disks when prompted for where to install GRUB
[09:08] <cjwatson> err
[09:08] <cjwatson> sudo DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[09:08] <popey> still doesnt
[09:08] <cjwatson> I didn't say it would
[09:08] <cjwatson> but it should provide a debugging trace
[09:09] <popey> ah :D
[09:09] <cjwatson> (if a command with extra debugging changes behaviour, that would be a surprise in itself!)
[09:09] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1204378
[09:10] <cjwatson> odd.  let me clear out a few other things and then have a proper look
[09:10] <popey> ta
[09:11] <Laney> what should the prefix be?
[09:11] <Laney> (something)/boot/grub?
[09:12] <cjwatson> on my system it's (hd0,msdos5)/boot/grub.  you can tab-complete the first bit
[09:13] <cjwatson> (well, or any of it really)
[09:13] <Laney> "file not found"
[09:13] <Laney> a possibly pertinent piece of information is that this is a macbook pro (with rEFIt)
[09:14] <cjwatson> oh, of course, you can't tab-complete while the prefix is busted
[09:14] <cjwatson> should still be possible to set a correct one though - you might have to guess
[09:15] <cjwatson> 'ls' should work I think
[09:15] <Laney> (hd0,gpt4) is the only one that doesn't give me unknown filesystem
[09:15] <Laney> and that is file not found
[09:16] <cjwatson> hmm
[09:16] <cjwatson> might be worth reinstalling grub from a live image as per my mail to -devel, and debugging from there
[09:16] <Laney> ok
[09:24] <cjwatson> oh, heh, core.img moved
[09:26] <cjwatson> popey: this'll involve a new upload to fix up dpkg-reconfigure - can you manage in the interim?
[09:26] <popey> yeah, its fine
[09:28]  * xnox was on the safe side and manually run grub-install & --recheck a few times before rebooting...
[09:28] <ogra_> we should just all switch to u-boot :)
[09:29] <cjwatson> :-P
[09:29] <ogra_> standardize on one bootloader across all arches etc *grin*
[09:32] <Laney> gah
[09:34] <Laney> error: can't find command 'linux'\nerror:  can't find command 'initrd' (today's daily)
[09:34]  * Laney retreats to b1
[09:35] <cjwatson> eh, after doing what with today's daily?
[09:35] <Laney> "Try Ubuntu without installing"
[09:36] <cjwatson> tf
[09:36] <cjwatson> wtf
[09:36] <cjwatson> afaik that grub image hasn't even been rebuilt against 2.00
[09:36]  * cjwatson hates life
[09:36] <Laney> GNU GRUB version 2.00-3ubuntu1
[09:36] <cjwatson> patch piloting today is not obviously happening
[09:36] <Laney> could it be me?
[09:37] <cjwatson> oh, d-i was rebuilt, just not by me :)
[09:37] <cjwatson> ok, so maybe that makes a degree of sense
[09:37] <cjwatson> b1 good idea for now but clearly I need to fix that urgentlyl
[09:38]  * cjwatson moves his pilot shift to Monday
[09:38]  * Laney is suddenly glad for 100mbit internet
[09:45] <Laney> hahaha oh dear
[09:46] <Laney> I have some horrible broken lightdm greeter on b1 instead of a desktop
[09:47] <ogra_> fun
[09:48] <Laney> it's a sign
[09:48] <Laney> to get a new laptop
[10:30] <Laney> cjwatson: ok, looks like I was installing to a partition. After downgrading and installing 1.99 properly, it upgraded fine.
[10:31] <cjwatson> hm, ok; seems a bit non-ideal though
[10:31] <cjwatson> installing to a partition is fairly common among Mac users
[10:31] <cjwatson> how big is /boot/grub/i386-pc/core.img
[10:31] <cjwatson> ?
[10:32] <Laney> when it was broken I was getting errors that grub-install couldn't find that
[10:32] <Laney> let's see
[10:33] <cjwatson> would be easier to see all the errors than to play twenty questions, then :)
[10:36] <Laney> didn't record it all, I'm afraid
[10:36] <Laney> but that one was:
[10:36] <Laney> # grub-install /dev/sda
[10:36] <Laney> source_dir doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory
[10:36] <Laney> core.img is 26393
[10:40] <cjwatson> uname -m, and does /sys/firmware/efi exist?
[10:41] <Laney> x86_64, and no it doesn't
[10:41] <cjwatson> might you have been booted in EFI mode when you previously ran grub-install?
[10:41] <Laney> however now yopu mention
[10:41] <Laney> yes
[10:41] <Laney> that was the option offered to me
[10:41] <cjwatson> looks like the current grub-install uses the x86_64-efi platform if booted in EFI mode
[10:41] <cjwatson> which seems kind of sane
[10:42] <cjwatson> but if you only have grub-pc installed then that won't work
[10:42] <cjwatson> option offered> when booting an image you mean, or something else?
[10:43] <Laney> yes
[10:43] <Laney> it presented the USB drive as "EFI device" or something like that
[10:47] <cjwatson> usually dual-capable BIOSes offer both
[10:47] <cjwatson> but who knows about insane Macs
[10:47] <Laney> perhaps there is a way
[10:47] <Laney> anyway it's a separate issue to the initial problem
[10:47] <cjwatson> so maybe grub-install needs to fall back to i386-pc if x86_64-efi isn't installed
[10:50] <cjwatson> yeah, but the more confusion I can fix the better
[10:51] <Laney> I wonder if OSX still boots
[11:42] <xnox> well rEFIt should have offered both options: bios & PC boot.....
[11:42] <cjwatson> bios *is* PC boot, I hope
[11:42] <cjwatson> ym efi and pc boot?
[11:42] <xnox> yes efi & PC boot
[11:43] <xnox> rEFIt often is confused on grub upgrade, especially if you manage to install it on both sda & sda4
[11:43] <xnox> e.g. partition and mbr. One will work while the other one will always give a fizzy fit.
[11:53] <Laney> It offers to boot "Legacy OS", but it doesn't work. Just boots from the hard drive.
[11:53] <Laney> and Mac OS does still work. happy days
[11:53] <cjwatson> I suspect legacy OS just chainloads the MBR or something
[11:54] <Laney> I don't know what it does, but it's only there when the USB drive is present
[11:55] <Laney> hm, is it intentional that the grub menu has no timeout now?
[11:56] <cjwatson> No
[11:56] <cjwatson> But are you testing in kvm here?
[11:56] <Laney> no, the mac
[11:56] <cjwatson> Dunno then
[11:56] <cjwatson> Bug me
[11:56] <Laney> let me check I didn't accidently press a key
[12:08] <Laney> ah, it was recordfail
[12:11] <cjwatson> oh, by no timeout you mean "sits there" not "boots without waiting"
[12:11] <cjwatson> yeah, likely recordfail
[13:15] <Mirv> release team ack/no-ack needed still regarding Unity 6.6 for bugs #713423 #1043915 and #876017
[13:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 713423 in unity "[FFe/UIFe] Unity launcher gets cluttered when having multiple partitions and/or external volumes attached" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713423
[14:03] <highvoltage> hello
[14:17] <psivaa> cjwatson, when i run ubuntu-bug grub2, the pop-up window says grub2(not installed)! is this an expected behaviour?
[14:18] <cjwatson> I expect it's true
[14:18] <cjwatson> grub2 is a transitional package - you probably have either grub-pc or grub-efi-amd64 installed, depending on details of the platform
[14:19] <cjwatson> grub-pc => BIOS, grub-efi-amd64 => UEFI
[14:20] <psivaa> ahh ok, grub-pc is the one on mine, thanks
[15:07] <knome> stgraber, hey. we need UIFe for bug 1049658, and possibly need you to update the translations and do some magic.
[15:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049658 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "[Xubuntu] Office slide needs to be updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049658
[15:12] <stgraber> knome: granted
[15:12] <stgraber> knome: please push to lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:12] <knome> stgraber, i will, just a sec
[15:13] <knome> urgh, diverged branches
[15:15] <knome> stgraber, should be done now
[15:15] <mterry> Friendly poke about bug 1049231 and friends
[15:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049231 in unity-greeter "[UIFe] The gap between the user name and password entry is too large in the greeter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049231
[15:16] <knome> stgraber, will you take care of the rest?
[15:16] <stgraber> knome: yep, just waiting on an update from highvoltage as we might also want to bundle an update to the edubuntu slideshow. Once I know more I'll update the translations and upload.
[15:17] <knome> stgraber, ok, thanks a lot :)
[15:58] <jamespage> iulian, is there anything I can do to help unblock bug 1043654 ?
[15:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1043654 in zentyal-samba "[FFe] New version of zentyal-samba" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043654
[16:05] <iulian> jamespage: Oh that one. I shall have another look at it in a few moments. I haven't been satisfied with the information provided so far.
[16:06] <iulian> What's it doing in precise-proposed?
[16:06] <iulian> Argh.
[16:06] <jamespage> iulian, different bug
[16:07] <iulian> Oh I see.
[16:08] <iulian> zentyal is poorly maintained at the moment I must say. It'd be nice if bencer could take more care of it.
[16:09] <bencer> iulian: why do you think is poorly maintained?
[16:10] <iulian> bencer: Because of the issue we've got now.
[16:10] <bencer> iulian: i think is explained in the issue, we didn't reach the freeze with the package ready
[16:11] <bencer> and we were focused on upstream bugfixing rather than uploading broken ubuntu packages
[16:11] <bencer> now packages are ready
[16:11] <bencer> i don't see the problem uploading now
[16:12] <bencer> seriously, blocking this only makes having a broken package status
[16:12] <bencer> instead of allowing to upload a new package which is compatible with the other ones already in the archive
[16:13] <iulian> bencer: I was having comment #10, paragraph 2 in my mind when I said that. You were supposed to test the packages before uploading to the archive.
[16:13] <iulian> But that's not important now. It's been done already.
[16:14] <bencer> iulian: yes, i know, the upload was a bit messy, you are right
[16:14] <bencer> but was also my first upload, i didnt make everything perfect first time, i've realized about my mistakes there
[16:21] <jamespage> iulian, zentyal has certainly suffered over the last few releases, but bencer is trying to step up to make things better
[16:21] <jamespage> but he is new to alot of the processes - how can we move this forwards?
[16:23] <iulian> jamespage: Very happy to hear that. I've just approved it now.
[16:24] <jamespage> iulian, much appreciated
[16:24] <iulian> I hope it doesn't break anything else. There are loads of new features in there.
[16:25] <bencer> just to confirm, we can upload new packages containing *only bugfixes* without ffe and until the final freeze, right?
[16:25] <bencer> thanks a lot iulian & jamespage
[16:25] <tumbleweed> bencer: yes
[16:25] <iulian> bencer: Correct.
[16:26] <bencer> ok, one more question
[16:26] <bencer> these latest packages 2.3.x packages containing only bugfixes
[16:26] <bencer> have been renamed to 3.0
[16:26] <tumbleweed> the version isn't important, it's the content
[16:26] <bencer> when we released the stable yesterday, should be okey to upload the packages with  the 3.0 version number, or we should stick to 2.3?
[16:27] <bencer> ok, cool, then going to upload the ones approved on this ffe, and i will upload the new 3.0 after that, before the final freeze
[16:27] <bencer> thanks everybody!
[16:27] <iulian> bencer: That's fine. Make sure to update your Depends as well. :)
[16:28] <bencer> sure
[16:43] <tumbleweed> bencer: it usually makes sense to close the bug from the upload
[16:43] <bencer> tumbleweed: yup, just i got aware of that
[16:43] <bencer> going to close manually and i will take that in account in the future
[17:40] <mterry> skaet, could I get a look at UIFe bug 1049231?
[17:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049231 in unity-greeter "[UIFe] The gap between the user name and password entry is too large in the greeter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049231
[18:40] <micahg> skaet: Bug #1044657 probably should've been highlighted in teh release meeting but wasn't
[18:40] <ScottK> Is there any way we could expedite getting the fix for Bug #1044657 uploaded?  It's blocking switching Kubuntu back to LO by default.
[18:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1044657 in libreoffice "[regression] Missing LO menus when not run in Unity" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044657
[18:45] <infinity> micahg: It probably needs to be hilighted to Sweetshark more than the release meeting.
[18:45] <infinity> micahg: (As in, if he preps an upload, I'll happily review and sponsor it)
[18:46] <ScottK> I guess the problem is he broke LO and then went on vacation.
[18:47]  * micahg forgot about the revert regressions rule, so apparently there's some process breakdown
[18:47] <ScottK> So it's left broken and I guess based on the fix committed status there's an option to move forward, but we ought to move forward or back.
[18:50] <infinity> If I could find this mysterious commit that supposedly fixes it, I'd JFDI.
[18:50] <ScottK> That would be lovely.
[18:52] <infinity> Oh, he was referencing an upstream commit.
[18:52] <infinity> Curious.
[18:52] <ScottK> Yeah<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:52]  * infinity nods.
[18:53]  * ScottK refers infinity back to his previous JFDI comment ...
[18:53] <infinity> But.  But.  Birthday weekend!
[18:55] <infinity> Oh, sweet merciful spaghetti monster.  Never visit someone with slow internet, never visit someone with slow internet...
[18:55] <TheLordOfTime> lol
[18:55] <infinity> Or never download LibO sources.
[18:57] <skaet> lol
[19:02] <stgraber> highvoltage, knome: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu uploaded (xubuntu changes, edubuntu changes and translation update)
[19:04] <jbicha> micahg: except that the previous LibreOffice was unusable too :( bug 1041354
[19:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1041354 in libreoffice "unity-panel-service uses ~100% CPU when libreoffice-gtk is installed and enabled" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041354
[19:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: awesome
[19:05] <infinity> jbicha: Yeah, I think the only way forward here is forward.
[19:05] <jbicha> lol
[19:06] <infinity> jbicha: Say, do you want to sort out this mess with the upstream unitymenus stuff? ;)
[19:06] <infinity> My guess, based on the next commit being "Fixed crashes when executing some menu actions", is that we just want to be using the "latest upstream" for this particular bit, not cherrypicking fixes.
[19:09] <jbicha> infinity: no, good luck finding someone to do it though :)
[19:10] <infinity> Hrmph.
[19:10] <infinity> I'll just do it in the background.  It's all download/compile/upload for hours/days anyway, there's no actual WORK.
[19:11] <infinity> Just lots and lots of waiting.
[19:11] <infinity> And cursing.
[19:44] <Laney> heh
[19:44] <Laney> IIUC there's a branch for the menus stuff, so it should be possible to just take head of that, yeah.
[19:50] <infinity> Laney: Yeah, I'm slowly working on that.
[19:50] <infinity> Or, rather, my computer is, I'm not doing much to help.
[19:50] <highvoltage> compiling!
[19:50] <infinity> Downloading.  Not as cool as compiling.
[19:50] <highvoltage> ah
[19:51] <Laney> someone needs the cloud!
[19:51] <infinity> Oh, that's a fair point.  I could be doing this elsewhere.
[19:51] <infinity> Derp.


[12:18] <allee> Lure, Riddell, sebas: if the feisty laptop bof canceled?  Nobody is in room 209
[12:36] <Lure> allee: sorry, we have press here interested for kubuntu and laptop stuff will move
[12:37] <Lure> allee: we will setup voip in another room and get started in 5-10 minutes
[12:37] <Lure> allee: I will ping you when we are ready...
[12:37] <Lure> alleeHol: ^^^
[12:37] <allee> Thx!
[12:40] <Lure> allee: call 5008 (room 250)
[12:40] <alleeHol> k
[12:41] <Lure> tell us if you hear us....
[12:42] <alleeHol> I hear something but it stop for a sec, works for a sec
[12:42] <Lure> alleeHol: can you turn the mic off - we get strange echo
[12:42] <alleeHol> muted
[12:42] <alleeHol> yes
[12:42] <alleeHol> fine
[12:44] <alleeHol> turned off
[12:44] <alleeHol> yes, no drop
[12:44] <alleeHol> but I hear you tipping
[12:50] <alleeHol> Tonio_: is case there a laptop next to the micro.  Move it a bit away.  If there none, forget it
[12:52] <Tonio_> alleeHol: thereis none afaics
[01:30] <Jucato> has anyone updated to nvidia-glx and run into problems?
[01:32] <Jucato> if nvidia-glx was updated, should nvidia-kernel-common be updated as well? or is it enough to update linux-restricted-modules?
[01:42] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Pong
[01:42] <Hawkwind> Ermmm...wrong channel actually :P
[02:48] <sebas> alleeHol: Eeh, well, there suddenly was a presentation and we all left
[02:48] <sebas> Sorry! :/
[02:50] <alleeHol> nite
[02:55] <Tonio_> oh la la
[02:56] <Tonio_> haw haw he haw
[02:56] <Tonio_> je mange des frogs legs
[02:56] <Tonio_> raw
[02:56] <Jucato> O_o
[02:57] <sebas> Not that Tonio_ himself wrote it, but still.
[03:23] <seele> hmm.. dinner time i guess?
[03:26] <seele> google had awesome food
[03:26] <seele> i had these really soft chocolate cookies with some kind of filling.. mmm
[03:26] <Jucato> hm.... :)
[03:26] <Jucato> didn't Google serve pizzas in Akademy too? or was that Nokia? (I forgot)
[03:27] <seele> im not sure, i missed akademy :(
[03:27] <Kryczek> gsm pizzas?
[03:27] <Kryczek> lol, better yet
[03:27] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[03:28] <Kryczek> pizzas cooked with cellphone radiation?
[03:28] <Jucato> lol
[03:28] <Mez> o_O
[03:29] <Mez> -> #kubuntu-devel-offtopic
[03:29] <Mez> :P
[03:29] <Jucato> heh
[03:33] <seele> *crickets*
[03:34] <Kryczek> yeah well, I had an ontopic question for Tonio_, but he just left :/
[03:35] <Jucato> oh dang! I had a question for him, too...
[04:35] <Riddell> seele: did you get back ok?
[04:38] <seele> Riddell: from class?
[04:38] <seele> im not bleeding or broken so i'd say that is a yes
[04:39] <Jucato> a bleeding or broken seele would be a tragedy to KDE...
[04:39] <seele> Jucato: i know.. poor ellen would have so much work!
[04:39] <Riddell> seele: no, from california, I never asked
[04:39] <seele> Riddell: lol.. well it took a while to get home..
[04:39] <seele> after the first delay and the second delay from my flight being cancelled
[04:40] <seele> we got on the new plane and were on our way to take off and we had emergency maintenance on the field
[04:41] <seele> so i was 3 hours late getting back, i was supposed to arrive at 6 and we touched down at 9
[04:42] <Lure> .
[04:43] <seele> ._.
[04:43] <Jucato> O_o
[04:43] <seele> >_>
[04:43] <seele> <_<
[04:44] <Lure> ;-)
[04:44] <seele> ^_^
[04:44] <Jucato> ~_^
[04:44] <seele> >^-^<
[04:44] <jdong> it's a face-off
[04:44] <Jucato> d-(",)-b
[04:51] <jdong> imbrandon: ping; please consider bug 70529 for edgy
[04:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70529 in edgy-backports "Two patches from upstream SVN" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70529
[04:51] <jdong> imbrandon: I mean feisty rather!
[04:53] <Lure> Riddell: reminder for edgpy-proposed upload ;-)
[06:07] <crimsun> now that's a king's greeting
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya gents
[06:08] <nixternal> bah
[06:08] <nixternal> boo
[06:09] <bddebian> heh
[06:32] <Riddell> quiet the night
[06:32] <nixternal> konversation == vulnerable to flooding if you didn't notice
[06:32] <Mez> usually is Riddell
[06:32] <Mez> nixternal, unlike xchat ? :P
[06:33] <Riddell> nixternal: in what way?
[06:33] <Mez> nixternal, it'd be nice to have a sendq :D
[06:33] <Mez> Riddell, we ust had a botnet flood everyone in #ubuntu with CTCP versions
[06:33] <Mez> because of that, the replys booted them offline
[06:33] <nixternal> heh, to say the least
[06:33] <Mez> because konv replied to each request in a prompt manner
[06:34] <Mez> which made them excess flood to the network
[06:34] <Mez> Xchat (and i believe irssi) has a "send queue"
[06:34] <Mez> where it delays the messages if you type a lot at once to make sure you dont flood the network
[06:34] <nixternal> well they flooded me off with ctcp requests
[06:35] <nixternal> #ubuntu got attacked by a bot
[06:35] <bddebian> Bah, gnight gents
[06:35] <Jucato> g'night bddebian!
[06:35] <Mez> nixternal, you didnt reply
[06:36] <nixternal> there is an "ignore" feature with konversation that allows you to setup a filter, however the "pattern" makes no sense to me
[06:36] <nixternal> g'nite bddebian
[06:37] <nixternal> Jucato: im in #konversation already
[06:37] <Mez> Riddell, how big a pita would it be to code that into konv?
[06:37] <nixternal> ey
[06:37] <Jucato> ah. he didn't reply in #kde
[06:37] <nixternal> did you ctcp me?
[06:37] <Jucato> who? me?
[06:37] <Mez> nixternal, I did
[06:37] <Jucato> ah :)
[06:38] <Mez> nixternal, lol - want me to grab nate into the conversation too ?
[06:39] <nixternal> and no reply
[06:39] <nixternal> woohoo
[06:39] <nixternal> i figured that bugger out then
[06:39] <nixternal> and maybe we should set that as a default then for konversationrc?
[06:39] <nixternal> Pattern == *
[06:39] <nixternal> Checked CTCP
[06:40] <nixternal> and now i don't reply ;)
[06:41] <Jucato> :)
[06:41] <nixternal> my lord 4s lag right now
[06:42] <Mez> 0.2s lag]
[06:51] <Riddell> Mez: code what?
[06:53] <Mez> Riddell, a network send queue
[06:53] <Riddell> I have no idea, you'd need to ask a konversation developer
[07:04] <nixternal> it is funny how one of the oldest floods in the book, is still around after more than 15 years
[07:05] <nixternal> and to think, konversation fell victim ;(
[07:06] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyLaptop ready for review
[07:11] <Riddell> Lure: 67889 uploaded
[07:12] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[07:13] <Riddell> thank you, appologies for the delay
[07:16] <Riddell> Lure: KubuntuFeistyLaptop is fine but it's 100% lists
[07:16] <Riddell> Lure: you should write in prose not lists for specs almost all the time
[07:16] <Lure> Riddell: I am not good at prose... ;-)
[07:17] <Riddell> sure you are
[07:17] <seaLne> what about rhyming cuplets? :)
[07:17] <Lure> Riddell: and I have copied structure from ZeroConfNetwroking
[07:17] <Riddell> Lure: only thing missing is to document on the very last point why we are not porting to qt 4 yet
[07:17] <Lure> Riddell: will do
[07:18] <nixternal> haha
[07:18] <Riddell> All specs in iambic pentameter please
[07:21] <hollywoodb> I know some kubuntu packages have "Hidden=true" or "NoDisplay=true" in their respective .desktop files, but it is improper (especially for a game) to have a /usr/share/menu/ entry yet no .desktop file (hence no menu entry), correct?
[07:22] <Riddell> hollywoodb: sounds like a bug
[07:22] <hollywoodb> Riddell: well, filed, I was just making sure I didn't miss something... knetwalk game suffers exactly that
[07:24] <Riddell> hollywoodb: is there a .desktop file for it in the source?
[07:24] <hollywoodb> Riddell: the actual source as if I downloaded it from the project's homepage? I haven't actually checked.
[07:25] <Riddell> do  apt-get source knetwalk
[07:26] <hollywoodb> Riddell: will take a couple minutes, its part of kdegames, which is ~12.5MB on my connection
[07:30] <hollywoodb> hollywoodb@milan:~/kdegames-3.5.5$ grep desktop */*/* | grep knet ----> knetwalk/src/Makefile.in ----> knetwalk.desktop
[07:30] <hollywoodb> there's no file, but its specified in makefile
[07:31] <hollywoodb> Riddell: followed by: knetwalk/src/SConscript:myenv.KDEinstall('KDEXDG', '', 'knetwalk.desktop')
[07:32] <hollywoodb> I'm not going to pretend to have a deep understanding of makefiles
[07:33] <Riddell> bit knetwalk/src/knetwalk.desktop doesn't exist?
[07:33] <Riddell> s/bit/but/
[07:34] <hollywoodb> Riddell: correct, there's no file, its only specified in SConscript and Makefile.in
[07:34] <Riddell> crazy
[07:35] <Riddell> hollywoodb: well next step is to create a .desktop file, then we can just slip it in
[07:36] <hollywoodb> Riddell: I can write a .desktop... but I've no idea how to handle the 25 lines of non-english language for Name, Comment, and GenericName
[07:38] <Riddell> hollywoodb: that's not important, they'll get filled in by the translators
[07:39] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFeistyNetworking ready for review
[07:40] <hollywoodb> Riddell: well, I'll append relevant info from this discussion and attach and english-only .desktop to the bug then, thanks
[07:44] <nixternal> Riddell: whenever you are ready for an updated kubuntu-docs package let me know...im working out some more minor kinks and what not...the firefox startpage is a pita though, as a temp fix would be to use the redirect, but i would have to --set it in postinst in order to get it to work correctly..like imbrandon did with kubuntu-usplash
[07:45] <Riddell> Lure: looks good
[07:48] <Riddell> nixternal: there must be a way to replace the existing update-alternative option with a new value, without having to explicity steal the alternative with --set
[07:49] <nixternal> i have added a remove in both the prerm and first in postinst, and it isntalls and, even says that the redirect is the best option, but it doesn't change the firefox-homepage link
[07:52] <hollywoodb> Riddell: bug 70264 if you're interested ;)
[07:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70264 in kdegames "knetwalk does not have a .desktop file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/70264
[07:52] <hollywoodb> Riddell: I dropped the .desktop in ~/.local/share/applications/ and am giving it worksforme status ;)
[07:55] <Jucato> night Riddell!
[07:55] <hollywoodb> how would I find out if a package has a maintainer?
[08:09] <hollywoodb> alright, I found the maintainer I was looking for... Steffen J.
[08:09] <hollywoodb> how do I find if he's still active?
[09:05] <|joe|> hi
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hey |joe|
[09:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!
[09:06] <Hobbsee> Jucato!!!
[09:06] <|joe|> has anyone seen freeflying recently?
[09:07] <Jucato> flying around I guess...
[09:07] <|joe|> choc again, oh no
[09:07] <Hobbsee> |joe|: a couple of days ago?
[09:07] <Jucato> !seen freeflying
[09:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:07] <ubotu> I last saw freeflying (i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying) 48m 14s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[09:07] <Hobbsee> ah, he was here
[09:07] <Jucato> lol... parked nick
[09:07] <|joe|> great
[09:07] <Hobbsee> mmm...chocolate
[09:07] <|joe|> too late
[09:07] <|joe|> Hobbsee: do you actually like the sweet one or the bitter one
[09:08] <Hobbsee> ...there's sweet and bitter chocolate?
[09:09] <Jucato> bitter/black chocolate
[09:09] <|joe|> hmmm ... well at least in europe :) the sweet one is called milk choc
[09:09] <Hobbsee> ahh.  milk chocolate, yeah :)
[09:09] <|joe|> ok milk/dark, now i know
[09:10] <Hobbsee> not a great fan of white chocolate, although bits of it are good
[09:10] <|joe|> as i was in the choc museum we bought two dark bars - one 100% cacao, the other one with over 80% and chilli and stuff
[09:10] <Hobbsee> ick
[09:11] <|joe|> Jucato: i think i saw something like that here though i'm not sure
[09:12] <Jucato> that's my current favorite
[09:45] <|joe|> what does usually happen with no longer actively maintained and buggy sw?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> |joe|: in debian or ubuntu?
[09:52] <|joe|> Hobbsee: ubuntu
[09:53] <Hobbsee> |joe|: got a particular example?
[09:53] <|joe|> Hobbsee: i found out knet is totally broken in edgy
[09:53] <Hobbsee> if it gets removed from sid, then it gets removed from ubuntu
[09:53] <Hobbsee> !info knet edgy
[09:53] <ubotu> knet: The Knet is a frontend to pppd.. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6beta1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1017 kB, installed size 1584 kB
[09:53] <Hobbsee> i thought i merged that a while ago
[09:53] <Hobbsee> |joe|: how so?
[09:53] <|joe|> Hobbsee: i already filled two bug reports and fixed it locally
[09:54] <|joe|> Hobbsee: but it is no longer actively maintained, so the only options seems fixing in ubuntu via patches
[09:54] <Hobbsee> |joe|: you could always make the fix to get it into the repos
[09:55] <Hobbsee> |joe|: what's the fix for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knet/+bug/71196 ?
[09:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71196 in knet "knet failes to connect, incorrect chap-secrets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:55] <|joe|> Hobbsee: ok now it were rather small fixes but if it should be smtng bigger
[09:55] <|joe|> Hobbsee: hey wait, i'm not that fast, i just unpacked the .orig.tar.gz :)
[09:56] <Hobbsee> |joe|: ahh
[09:59] <Hobbsee> |joe|: the first one is easy, but i'm not sure how to fix the second
[10:01] <|joe|> Hobbsee: attached
[10:04] <|joe|> Hobbsee: freeflying patched the 2.4.4b1 previously so i was looking for him
[10:04] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[10:05] <|joe|> Hobbsee: but the chap-secrets got broken probably in edgy, i think the pppd was exchanged, wasn't it?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> no idea
[10:05] <|joe|> it's actually the only "nicer" gui for pppoe in kde
[10:05] <Jucato> :)
[10:05] <|joe|> Jucato: ! :)
[10:06] <|joe|> i know
[10:07] <|joe|> well the network connectivity could be actually better in kubuntu
[10:07] <Hobbsee> does it work, though?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> i hear that knm will be made default this time around
[10:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: it's old, and unmaintained afaik
[10:08] <|joe|> Hobbsee: what's knm? knetworkmanager?
[10:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: will knm also handle ADSL PPPoE?
[10:08] <|joe|> afaik nothing handles currently pppoe except of knet and kwlan
[10:09] <|joe|> though i found some frontend to pon/poff as well
[10:09] <|joe|> but eg proxy settings are real pain as well
[10:10] <|joe|> i was trying to set a system-wide proxy on a friend's notebook and ended up editing /etc/profile manually
[10:11] <|joe|> and setting one thousand applications to use the environment settings
[10:11] <Hobbsee> |joe|: yep
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no idea.  probably not
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think they were talking about doing that eventually
[10:12] <|joe|> this could be actually part of knetworkconf
[10:12] <|joe|> i imagine knetworkconf handling what it already does +system-wide proxies +ppp and profiles (incl ppp and proxy settings)
[10:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: start coding
[10:14] <Hobbsee> |joe|: knet == knetworkconf?
[10:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: don't you mean "start learning"? :P
[10:14] <|joe|> no
[10:14] <Jucato> Hobbsee: no
[10:14] <Jucato> :)
[10:14] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what's it in?  c++?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> we need something better than wlassistant, anyway
[10:14] <|joe|> i think knetworkconf is the "network" in kubuntu's system setting isn't it?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> ahh
[10:14] <Jucato> KNet? I'm not sure though...
[10:14] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:14] <|joe|> knet is c++
[10:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: knm
[10:15] <Jucato> ah.. hm...
[10:16] <|joe|> well i could help as well, but gui is not actually what i'm keen on
[10:17] <|joe|> some backends etc would be possible
[10:17] <|joe|> and firstly i want to get kdetv running correctly on my machine ;-)
[10:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'm presuming C++, since the source code comes in .cpp :)
[10:17] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:18] <Hobbsee> mmm...kdetv...i remember modifying that, once
[10:18] <Hobbsee> |joe|: what do you code?
[10:19] <|joe|> Hobbsee: what do you mean? apps/langs/...
[10:20] <Hobbsee> both
[10:20] <|joe|> heh
[10:21] <|joe|> well i'm a working person so i don't have that much free time to code, and i don't want to spend 12hrs a day begind a crt/lcd
[10:21] <|joe|> so regarding oss usually only fixing bugs
[10:21] <|joe|> langs c/c++/java recently perl
[10:22] <Jucato> wow. that's a lot :)
[10:22] <Jucato> any, gotta go :)
[10:22] <|joe|> and at work .... mostly car head units, one could say
[10:23] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[10:26] <|joe|> now i'm actually on a forced vacation, otherwise i couldn't be here this time
[10:26] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[10:27] <Hobbsee> there's plenty of stuff to hack on, if you want to do it
[10:27] <Hobbsee> as well as upstream kde, if that's your interest
[10:35] <|joe|> well i'm not sure what i want to start with ... now i'm quite happy fixing bugs that annoy me :)
[10:37] <Hobbsee> :D
[10:37] <Hobbsee> |joe|: and getting the fixes into feisty, hopefully
[10:37] <|joe|> yeah
[10:38] <|joe|> btw i was just thinking about this stuff with backports
[10:38] <|joe|> are these backports actually something "official"?
[10:39] <|joe|> you know if such broken packages get into new release it's not nice that they get only fixed in the next release
[10:39] <|joe|> and eg i personally don't know if using all backports is "safe"
[10:40] <Hobbsee> jdong does them.  usually he doesnt break things
[10:40] <Hobbsee> |joe|: there's a thing called a SRU (stable release update) - and stuff that's severely broken tends to go thru them into -updates
[10:40] <Hobbsee> |joe|: of course, fixing one part can break another, so everything has to be pretty carefully done
[10:41] <|joe|> Hobbsee: and who takes care of the sru?
[10:41] <Hobbsee> !sru
[10:41] <ubotu> sru is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:41] <Hobbsee> oh, there you go, there is a link for it
[10:41] <|joe|> ah, lazy me :)
[10:41] <Hobbsee> whoever's requesting it :P
[10:47] <Hobbsee> *merges
[10:48] <crimsun> merges good.
[10:49] <Hobbsee> hmmm, kid3 looks eaxy
[10:49] <Hobbsee> crimsun: can you look thru that gnunet merge in -motu - iv'e got no real knowledge of it
[10:49] <Hobbsee> please :)
[10:49] <Hobbsee> sometime
[11:02] <|joe|> hm if mez now filled request to get knights into backports, should i request it into sru as well or am i going to get kicked? :)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> probably not
[11:02] <Hobbsee> but i've got no idea if it will happen
[11:02] <crimsun> uh, why would you SRU it if it's already going to backports?
[11:03] <|joe|> just thinking loud
[11:03] <|joe|> for better user experience
[11:04] <|joe|> actually now as i know sru i'd suggest it to get it into sru, not into backports
[01:56] <Hobbsee> !logs
[01:56] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya
[03:29] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:29] <bddebian> Howdy Jucato
[03:59] <RadiantFire> sorry to pester, but I have figured out what I think is a solution to bug 64841 against wlassistant
[03:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64841 in wlassistant "wireless assisant does not connect in edgy" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64841
[03:59] <seele> Jucato: do you ever sleep?
[04:00] <jsgotangco> haha
[04:00] <jsgotangco> he tries not to
[04:00] <RadiantFire> if anyone is here, I figured out how to change to code to make it work, but I'm not sure what to do with it now, so i figured this would be a good place to come
[04:00] <RadiantFire> apparently, people are here
[04:00] <Jucato> lol :)
[04:00] <Jucato> seele: yeah, in a few hours... :)
[04:00] <seele> Jucato: what time zone are you in?
[04:00] <Jucato> seele: +8 UTC (Philippines)
[04:01] <RadiantFire> anyway, my question is, who do I contact now?
[04:01] <seele> ah hah
[04:02] <jsgotangco> its a good timezone to be in since the other side is just about to finish work
[04:02] <jsgotangco> and another part is about to start working
[04:02] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:03] <Jucato> hehehe :)
[05:04] <mhb> Lure: ping ... you have a minute?
[05:10] <fdoving> wow. debian got diffindexes.
[05:10] <fdoving> Hit http://ftp.se.debian.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
[05:20] <Lure> mhb: I am running to catch a bus to udsmtv - can you ping me in in 45 minutes when I get back online
[05:21] <mhb> Lure: sure
[06:16] <Tonio__> hi all
[06:16] <abattoir> hi Tonio__
[06:16] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!
[06:17] <Riddell> beryl developers "we're being hit over a million times a day", must be some bad code to give that sort of violent reaction
[06:24] <Lure> Tonio_: kpowersave svn: https://forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/powersave/trunk
[06:24] <Lure> Tonio_: if you have time to build
[06:45] <mhb> Lure: ping
[06:55] <Riddell> mhb: do you have a list of icons for crystal and oxygen?
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: I had one, but not anymore ...
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: sorry
[06:56] <Riddell> bah
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: is it urgent?
[06:56] <Riddell> no
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: I can get you one in a few hours
[06:56] <Riddell> but I know someone had a big webpage with all the crystal icons and oxygen icons side by side
[06:56] <Riddell> and I've no idea who it is
[06:56] <mhb> Riddell: ya, was me
[06:57] <Tonio_> re
[06:57] <Riddell> but that was only the other week, what happened to it?
[06:58] <mhb> Riddell: well I promised the Oxygen folks to implement it into oxygen-icons.org, but I haven't found the time yet ... lazy me
[06:58] <mhb> Riddell: now that you mention it, I really should do it
[06:58] <Riddell> mhb: too early for that, we need to fix the icon naming spec stuff first, that's why I'm asking
[06:58] <Riddell> mhb: don't you still have that webpage?
[06:59] <mhb> Riddell: I guess I do
[06:59] <mhb> Riddell: I'll take a look
[06:59] <mhb> Riddell: 30 mins ... I should update the icons as well
[06:59] <Riddell> mhb: thanks
[07:02] <mhb> Riddell: the page is at http://mhb.ath.cx/projects/oxygen/comparison.php but I need some time to update the Oxygen images from SVN
[07:05] <Riddell> mhb: yes, that was the page
[07:05] <Riddell> mhb: it would be useful to have some context on the icons, like what kde module they are currently in and which app they are in
[07:07] <Riddell> mhb: what do the outlines around some of the icons mean?
[07:07] <mhb> Riddell: I agree... I'll contact the Oxygen folks, see if the other guy did some work on the CMS and add this page to my weekend TODO list
[07:08] <mhb> Riddell: I don't see any outlines
[07:08] <Riddell> mhb: I don't think the oxygen folks care too much, they just want to draw the icons, dudes like you and me have to do the administrata
[07:08] <mhb> Riddell: they had another volunteer to help with the CMS
[07:08] <mhb> Riddell: so I meant him
[07:09] <Riddell> hmm, the whole thing is outlined, I'm sure when I looked at it before only some of them were
[07:11] <mhb> Riddell: I see it now, Konqueror-specific, Firefox displays the whole border of the table
[07:11] <mhb> for some reason the Konqueror border ends at cca 1/3
[07:11] <Riddell> mhb: and starts again lower down
[07:12] <mhb> I see
[07:12] <mhb> it is a CSS-related bug, not a feature
[07:14] <Riddell> mhb: what is the CMS for that page?
[07:14] <mhb> Riddell: this one is a simple PHP code
[07:15] <mhb> Riddell:I wanted to make a Wordpress module out of it, but haven't found the time yet
[07:16] <Riddell> mhb: what would be good is an easily editable table with the crystal icon, the oxygen icon, the crystal name, the icon-name-spec name and a comment
[07:17] <Riddell> and the category
[07:17] <mhb> Riddell: what do you have in mind by easily-editable?
[07:17] <Riddell> mhb: I've no idea, that's my problem
[07:18] <Riddell> mhb: presumably this just looks in a directory for all the crystal icons and oxygen icons with the same name?
[07:18] <mhb> Riddell: it uses mysql, which gets populated by a helper script
[07:19] <Riddell> what's in the database?
[07:20] <mhb> Riddell: basically a table for all the stuff you named (now it's blank) ... just the frontend is missing
[07:20] <Riddell> trouble with doing it on this webpage is its far too big, it takes 5 minutes to load
[07:21] <mhb> Riddell: well, that's my bad connection :o)
[07:21] <mhb> Riddell: I should move it somewhere on a public server
[07:22] <mhb> Riddell: also I plan to make it smaller by listing only one cathegory at a time
[07:22] <MidMark> sebas I have updated steps to reproduce bug #39444, see my last comment
[07:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39444
[07:32] <Riddell> toma: the journalist dude here asked about the new kde e-mail client
[07:32] <toma> Riddell: what did he ask?
[07:40] <Riddell> toma: I think the implication was whether kmail was so bad that starting from scratch was better
[07:40] <Riddell> mhb: if I give you a list of current name-spec to crystal names can you incorporate them into the database?
[07:41] <gnomefreak> new email client?
[07:42] <fdoving> www.mailody.net
[07:42] <Lure> gnomefreak: http://www.omat.nl/drupal/?q=node/115
[07:42] <gnomefreak> ty
[07:43] <mhb> Riddell: OK, will do
[07:43] <mhb> Riddell: today later or tomorrow (if it's not urgent)
[07:43] <Lure> toma: btw, any plans for disconnected imap?
[07:44] <Riddell> mhb: nothing is urgent, we just want to get moving with this so it's done in the next few weeks and we can move oxygen into KDE 4 in SVN
[07:44] <Riddell> mhb: oh, the other thing is we want to fill in the gapsin oxygen with icons from monochrome theme so it's obviously a gap but you can see what the icon should be of
[07:45] <Riddell> can we do that in the database too?
[07:45] <mhb> Riddell: no problem, one more column
[07:46] <mhb> Riddell: I need to get the monochrome icons, though
[07:46] <mhb> Riddell: do you a have a set as complete as possible?
[07:46] <Riddell> mhb: what do you mean?  monochrome is the most complete set there is I believe
[07:47] <Riddell> mhb: the monochrome icons are in KDE SVN in the accessibility module
[07:49] <toma> Riddell: if you read the kdepim ml, you can see that some think building from scratch is better. For me the main reason was that I could not a grip on the codebase of kmail.
[07:49] <mhb> Riddell: IIRC most of the Crystal icons are scattered through the apps
[07:49] <toma> Riddell: maybe when i had more experience I would have extended kmail
[07:50] <mhb> Riddell: the Crystal set used in the comparison table is a collection from Ken
[07:50] <Riddell> toma: so this might replace kmail in the longer term?
[07:50] <mhb> Riddell: so I feared monochrome is like that, too
[07:50] <Riddell> mhb: monochrome is all in one place
[07:50] <mhb> Riddell: good to hear. No problem, then.
[07:51] <toma> Riddell: i'm not the one to decide, and mailody lacks a lot of features kmail has
[07:51] <Riddell> mhb: or search kde-look.org for danny allen, he also did a coloured version of monochrome which might be better to use
[07:52] <Lure> hi mbiebl
[07:52] <Riddell> Lure: last day today, anything else we need to cover?
[07:52] <toma> Lure: which part of disconnected imap?
[07:52] <Lure> mbiebl: did you play with new kpowersave already?
[07:52] <mbiebl> Lure: hi
[07:52] <mbiebl> No, not yet.
[07:52] <Lure> toma: being able to have cached e-mails when not connected to imap server
[07:52] <toma> Lure: starting up without connection should be possible, moving stuff and syncing afterwards is not
[07:53] <mbiebl> IIRC it's very much in a flux atm.
[07:53] <toma> Lure: did not try it though ;-)
[07:53] <mbiebl> So I'm not sure if it is already in a usable state.
[07:53] <toma> Lure: you can try, fdoving probably has packages ;-)
[07:53] <Lure> mbiebl: I will try to build it to see how it fits for Ubuntu - we are in plannig phase what to do for edgy
[07:54] <mbiebl> You should maybe contact dannyK then.
[07:54] <mbiebl> I'll guess he can help you better if you encounter problems.
[07:54] <mbiebl> He is around on #powersave and #hal
[07:54] <Lure> mbiebl: I plan to do so, as we will use kpowersave only if they apply some kiss concepts to the UI
[07:57] <Lure> Riddell: nothing on my list
[07:58] <Lure> Riddell: I am on powermgmt session
[07:58] <Riddell> Lure: mine neither :)
[07:59] <Lure> Riddell: but it is more forward looking than really practical for feisty
[08:03] <fdoving> mailody is my primary mail client. it's nice. :)
[08:03] <Riddell> ooh, tonio's being chatted up in French!
[08:04] <Riddell> when a girl starts talking to you in French you know she fancies you
[08:05] <fdoving> go scare her away, girlfriends are not compatible with hardcore kubuntu developing. :)
[08:06] <gnomefreak> fdoving: i wouldnt mind it if i had IMAP mail. if i just tried the latest version though its not ready for mainstream kde IMO
[08:06] <Riddell> mhb: do you have any easy way of finding out which kde modules thoses icons came from?
[08:06] <mhb> Lure: do you have a minute? Can you explain to me in 2-3 sentences how knetworkmanager will provide the info about disconnects, reconnects, etc?
[08:07] <mhb> Riddell: you mean the Crystal ones? No, because I didn't use any automated tools to get them, Kenneth just sent me a pack
[08:07] <Riddell> mhb: hmm, we really need that
[08:08] <mhb> Riddell: they are a mess
[08:08] <Riddell> mhb: I know
[08:08] <toma> gnomefreak: arguments?
[08:08] <Riddell> mhb: also we need text export (and probably import) for that database
[08:09] <toma> gnomefreak: i mean, saying it because it does not support POP, is a weird argument, as I'm writing a IMAP mailclient
[08:09] <gnomefreak> toma: so this will not replace kmail
[08:10] <mhb> Riddell: that wouldn't be a problem
[08:10] <toma> gnomefreak: it is not written with that in mind
[08:10] <gnomefreak> ok i thought this was going to replace kmail. sorry
[08:10] <toma> gnomefreak: i needed a fast, reliable mailclient
[08:11] <toma> gnomefreak: and to be honest, kmail does not really fit in that categorie when using imap
[08:11] <toma> or is hanging on the edge
[08:12] <Riddell> mhb: oh and it needs fields for crystal icon type and oxygen icon type (action, app, device etc)
[08:12] <fdoving> the two main features i'm missing, is multiple identities, and multiple smtp-servers.  that's it. the latter isn't really a issue once smtp auth is in place. so multiple identities. :)
[08:12] <toma> fdoving: i need multiple identities, so it will be there soon
[08:12] <toma> i just want to have a stable base
[08:13] <fdoving> toma: looking forward to it :)
[08:20] <mhb> Riddell: OK
[08:20] <mhb> Riddell: thank god for automatic logging :o)
[08:20] <Riddell> :)
[08:23] <_Sime_> hi all
[08:24] <seele> Riddell: has kwwii posted the kde pic yet?
[08:25] <Riddell> seele: the group photo?
[08:26] <seele> yeah
[08:26] <Riddell> seele: muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/_DSC8462.JPG
[08:26] <seele> 403
[08:27] <oslo> someone use superkaramba with beryl here ?
[08:27] <Riddell> seele: try now
[08:27] <Riddell> morning _sim
[08:28] <oslo> i'd like to see 1superkaramba on 4 virtual desk..
[08:28] <Riddell> _sime_
[08:28] <_Sime_> yes
[08:28] <seele> what a freaking huge photo
[08:28] <seele> Riddell: thanks :)
[08:29] <mhb> nice photo
[08:30] <Riddell> that's kwwii's mega huge camera at work
[08:33] <seele> i like how he had to give you the one with sebas groping himself
[08:37] <nixternal> that only took half the day to download
[08:38] <nixternal> i know sebas, Lure, Riddell, imbrandon by photo, but the others i don't...and it seems we have another lady on the team
[08:40] <Hawkwind> Hah, so not a surprise to see a Mt. Dew in imbrandon's hand
[08:40] <nixternal> name tags?
[08:40] <nixternal> i didn't even look..hahah
[08:40] <nixternal> maybe that will answer my question on who everyone else is
[08:41] <Hawkwind> You can't see everyone's name tag though
[08:41] <gnomefreak> only 4 or 5 name tags i was able to see
[08:42] <gnomefreak> _Sime_: a full kde4 or just base/libs
[08:43] <_Sime_> gnomefreak: libs and base running in a very bare Xephyr window.
[08:43] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:44] <gnomefreak> i read somewhere its mainly for developers
[08:45] <_Sime_> I've compiled it from SVN.
[08:50] <imbrandon> moins
[08:51] <imbrandon> seele: you made it home in one peice !
[08:55] <imbrandon> nixternal: left to right , john trapsell, nuno (sp?) , kwwii, luka, me , seele / celeste , Riddell , Tonio_ , Y......(sp?)  ,sebas
[08:56] <nixternal> ya, your big head is easy to recognize (hillbilly) ;)
[08:56] <imbrandon> lol
[08:56] <nixternal> hehe
[08:57] <nixternal> i thought that was tonio, just wasn't 100% positive on that
[09:04] <Riddell> seele: try 63.JPG
[09:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: Josef
[09:05] <mhb> Riddell: who's that?
[09:05] <Riddell> the one he had as Y...
[09:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh right, my mistake
[09:06] <Riddell> but it's pronounced as a Y (or so I've learnt)
[09:06] <mhb> Riddell: that spelling is common here in the Czech Rep., so you poked my interest
[09:21] <seele> Riddell: ah ha, that one is so much nicer


[07:43] <dholbach> good morning
[16:00] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[16:00] <dholbach> oops :)
[18:42] <pleia2> not sure how I feel about http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/11/netflix-on-ubuntu-is-here.html UWN-wise
[18:42] <pleia2> (it's from a guy in my loco)
[18:43] <pleia2> it's kind of a big deal, but it's still hackish mush
[18:43] <pleia2> and since we don't even like including news about PPAs...
[18:43] <pleia2> akgraner: any thoughts?
[18:44] <Unit193> Technically, not a PPA yet. ;)
[18:44] <pleia2> I didn't say it was
[18:45] <pleia2> my comment was meant as "we don't include news about PPAs, let alone hackish mush that isn't even in a PPA yet" ;)
[18:49] <Unit193> Well, it is bigger news to some people, but....  I'd rather see that in the official wine PPA. :P
[18:50] <Unit193> This coming from a person that does not use Netflix, so doesn't matter. ;)
[18:50] <pleia2> I didn't even know wine had official applicatoin PPAs
[18:50] <pleia2> link?
[18:51] <Unit193> http://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu
[18:52] <pleia2> that looks like for just wine itself
[18:53] <Unit193> That it is.  The idea is you have to patch and recompile wine, I'd rather see the "patches" fixed in the bugs and released there is what I was saying.
[18:53] <pleia2> ah, gotcha
[18:53] <Unit193> (I use wine for other things as well.)
[19:17] <akgraner> pleia2, reading now
[19:20] <akgraner> pleia2, my personal thought is no to anything that isn't official and requires users to compile anything
[19:20] <pleia2> ok, thanks Unit193 and akgraner :)
[19:21] <akgraner> what if we as the official news source is seen as endorsing it and it bricks someone's system
[19:21]  * pleia2 nods
[19:25]  * Unit193 detaches for a few days.
[19:26] <pleia2> what, everyone leaving me this weekend :)
[19:26] <pleia2> Jasna is off for the weekend from doing summary writing, I don't know what I'll do without her! (but I suspect what I'll be doing is more summary writin than usual ;))
[19:32] <Unit193> I can't do linkchecking for you either. :P
[19:32] <Unit193> (Though, I don't think I really helped on this Netflix matter. :P )
[19:42] <akgraner> pleia2, I'll be around
[19:42] <pleia2> \o/
[19:43] <SilverLion> Evening everyone *sad face*
[19:43] <akgraner> so it will be late Saturday but I'll jump in and write Saturday night so don't feel like you need to do them all - I can do the stats for you on Sunday as well
[19:45] <SilverLion> How is every one?
[19:49] <SilverLion> Nce nobody talks 2 me
[19:49] <pleia2> akgraner: thanks :)
[19:49] <pleia2> SilverLion: good evening
[19:49] <pleia2> (I'm at work, can't reply immediately)
[19:50] <akgraner> Hi SilverLion  - but I can't chat either at the moment just want pleia2 to know she wasn't all alone this weekend
[19:51] <SilverLion> Pleia just dont take me serious... Its pure frustration talking out of me
[19:52] <SilverLion> Akgraner: seems like I am not suitable forvany project
[19:53] <SilverLion> Had to quit another one 2day
[20:31] <pleia2> philipballew: I'm a bit busy at work right now, but can you ask fridge stuff in here so other fridge admins can see (and possibly help)
[20:32] <philipballew> yeah pleia2! work away!
[20:33] <philipballew> so I logged into the fridge wp site with my openid from lp and am ready to help with the fridge. What is needed for me to get started?
[20:38] <pleia2> philipballew: unfortunately the LP accounts won't allow you to use the scripts we have
[20:38] <pleia2> can you sign up with a regular password-based account?
[20:38] <pleia2> (that's why I asked for you to send me your username)
[20:39] <philipballew> yeah, I have a wordpress account I can use. I can do this later with someone pleia2 if your the only person. So you can work.
[20:39] <pleia2> we can associate your launchpad id later
[20:39] <pleia2> it's not a wordpress.com account, you need to create an account on this site at the URL I gave you
[20:39] <philipballew> alright, ill do that now
[20:40] <pleia2> I'll remove the launchpad one so you don't get errors about conflicts
[20:40] <philipballew> alright then
[20:40] <philipballew> no hurry since your working
[20:40] <nhandler> I can help for a little bit pleia2 and philipballew
[20:41] <nhandler> philipballew: Once pleia2 deletes the account, you will need to register on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-login.php?action=register
[20:41] <pleia2> nhandler: cool, can you get him set up with a Contributor account and get his lp id associated with his password account? (needs password account for your scripts :))
[20:41] <nhandler> pleia2: Yep, no problem
[20:41]  * pleia2 back2work
[20:41] <pleia2> thank you!
[20:41] <nhandler> pleia2: I also don't see the need to publish that netflix thing at this point
[20:41] <nhandler> no problem
[20:42] <nhandler> philipballew: Poke me once you have created an account
[20:42] <philipballew> so do I just make a user name up and it sets me up nhandler ?
[20:43] <nhandler> philipballew: We'll need to adjust a few settings, but yeah, you can use any username
[20:43] <nhandler> (Ideally, something similar or the same as your LP/IRC name)
[20:44] <philipballew> nhandler, done
[20:45] <nhandler> philipballew: Alright, try going to http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/users.php?page=your_openids
[20:45] <philipballew> there nhandler
[20:46] <nhandler> philipballew: You can add something like https://launchpad.net/~philipballew to get openid working
[20:47] <philipballew> alright
[20:47] <philipballew> do I apply it?
[20:47] <nhandler> philipballew: Yep. You should also be able to access http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post-new.php . If I remember the permissions correctly, you will be able to draft up a post, but not actually publish it. You will need to get a fridge editor to do that for you (just poke us in here)
[20:49] <philipballew> done nhandler
[20:49] <nhandler> philipballew: Are you able to access http://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=5441&action=edit ?
[20:50] <philipballew> no :(
[20:50] <nhandler> philipballew: Ok. Then I would suggest examining some of the posts on the normal fridge blog (not /wp-admin) to get a feel for when we use which categories and how we handle the html (and citations).
[20:51] <philipballew> how much html should I know nhandler ?
[20:51] <nhandler> philipballew: Other than that, just try your best. We will help you as you go, and feel free to ask any questions you might have.
[20:52] <philipballew> ill play with it this weekend
[20:52] <nhandler> philipballew: You don't need to know any. We usually just copy/paste the HTML from wherever the article is coming from. But knowing the basics does help (i.e. we sometimes convert ascii bullet lists to actual html bullet lists)
[20:53] <nhandler> philipballew: If you want to experiment, pick a random ML email or blog post and try and create a fridge post for it (bonus points if the post/email you pick is actually meant to go on the fridge). We can then help you review and revise it
[20:55] <philipballew> nhandler, alright. sounds good then
[21:40] <Silverlion_> akgraner: ping (i know u are busy but could you spare a few mins for a little call of mine?