[23:20] <james333james> hello there
[23:20] <james333james> anybody available to help me?
[23:21] <james333james> ??????????


[01:54] <agallego> can't figure out why i can't set bash vars inside upstart script: https://gist.github.com/senior7515/d2f832d0336ccaaf1b64 any tips ? took it from the hello world
[01:54] <agallego> from here http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#changing-the-default-shell
[11:08] <abhi-> hi, I'm using upstart 1.12 on trusty, I can't seem to find any session jobs, initctl list-sessions lists nothing


[00:55] <sonicwind> I'm reading about usb-c and Thunderbolt 3... very confused, but wondering if Ubuntu supports these yet?
[01:11] <oerheks> sonicwind, i believe so, maybe not hot pluggable..
[01:11] <sonicwind> thanks
[01:11] <oerheks> chrome 68 is out, the http issues will appear
[01:12] <sonicwind> I don't use chrome :-)
[01:12] <oerheks> hmmm the 1st page i try, works fine > http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[01:12] <oerheks> :-D
[02:45] <hggdh> some people do not, really, want to be helped
[02:46] <leftyfb> :)
[02:46] <leftyfb> isn't his first time
[02:47] <leftyfb> "Yeah, it doesn't show the date in a logical format"   love the personal "facts"
[04:39] <Unicorn_Princess> test
[04:43] <Unicorn_Princess> Sorry about that. Anyway, just popped in her to mention that the software update for ubuntu 18.04 LTS opened a window asking me to choose a method for toggling between national and Latin mode. And before that, it asked me to choose what to do about a 20auto-update file, that was supposedly altered on my machine. these are really weird questions for what is normally an uneventful process. there should
[04:43] <Unicorn_Princess> probably be some extra text explaining why they're there
[04:45] <Unicorn_Princess> (for the record, I never manually altered the 20auto-update file that's somewhere in /usr/ or something, but I think I did change the auto-update settings in software center maybe)
[04:47] <Unicorn_Princess> laters
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> !info base-files
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/392/builds
[05:55]  * lotuspsychje purges some packages
[05:57] <tsimonq2> "Teach your cat how to use a USB stick."  How does clock sources work in VMs. I've turned off all ntp/timesync in a VM to see if kvm-clock sourced from the host would be enough. The host (is a host, of course, of course) has ntp active.
[10:16] <blackflow> Turns out.... the VM has been SHUT OFF for a few days.... Turns out, time's off. what the f. it's been off. what fell out of sync if the VM was off.
[10:17] <blackflow> timedatectl shows "RTC time" one second ahead of universal/local. so.... what was tracking universal/local, while the VM was off, that it drifted for one whole second.
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: can this help in any way? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83934/how-do-i-prevent-time-drift-in-a-debian-guest-on-a-centos-kvm-host
[10:35] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: not quite. I know how that part works. That's why I'm totally failing to understand how can a VM that has been shut off for days, drift at all. The VM wasn't running, there's no memory location kept for its virtualized clock. The host has been rebooted several times since.
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: last answer say heavy cpu can make it drift too
[10:36] <oerheks> time for +R
[10:36] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: but _what_ drifts if the VM was off? :)
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> blackflow: how about this: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/avoiding-clock-drift-vms
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> not sure how offline happens..
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> bad sync maybe?
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> it cant work if its off right
[10:40] <blackflow> precisely, and time on the host is correct.
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> ##networking might know this one
[10:41] <blackflow> Oh I think I know what it is, and I have to research this further to confirm. The system clock on the host is NOT synced back to hardware until reboot. VMs get time from hardware for their own system clock. host's system clock might be correct because it's syncing via ntp, but that doesn't update hardware and thus VMs don't have the corrections.
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> that sounds logical
[10:42] <blackflow> If so.... incredibly stupid and someone should be fired for that desing. Hell, no, sent to quartz mines for the rest of their lives.
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:43] <blackflow> and you know who taht is? I'm using systemd-timesyncd on the host.......  :)))
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:44] <blackflow> gonna go back to openntpd for a while, see how that works.
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> bbl smoked salmon salad a la lotus
[10:44] <blackflow> YUMMY
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:44] <jink> :D
[10:48] <blackflow> okay assumptions half-confirmed. restarting timesyncd on the host automagically corrected the time in the VM.
[10:53] <blackflow> hrm.... no, not openntpd. chrony. openntpd on linux doesn't do constraints apparently. so no advantage there.
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:05] <daftykins> heya \o
[12:06] <daftykins> just sitting down to call it lunch :D
[12:07] <oerheks> BluesKaj, \0/
[12:08] <oerheks> do you have a rolling board ? https://imgur.com/gallery/ApHeDbb
[12:08] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins, just having mornng coffee here, looks like a gorgeous day here
[12:08] <oerheks> * shorts optional
[12:09] <BluesKaj> hey oerheks
[12:09] <BluesKaj> heh,neat idea
[12:09] <daftykins> :D
[12:10] <daftykins> about to be some 33 deg C heat tomorrow and no AC in this place, so i'm going to escape south to visit a friend and his wife
[12:13] <BluesKaj> good move :-)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> our house became practically unbearable in the heat waves that started 10 yrs ago here, so we installed an AC unit...works quite well. It makes our living space much more comfortable.
[12:20] <daftykins> mmm i'd love one, though normally it's only a few days a year that are only slightly challenging - and the ground floor is fine due to having several feet thick granite walls
[12:21] <BluesKaj> right
[14:18] <blackflow> JimBuntu: Found this, but I can't find a source on the DNS and bit flips ....  https://www.geek.com/chips/googles-most-efficient-data-center-runs-at-95-degrees-1478473/
[14:25] <JimBuntu> blackflow, I should be able to find an article or two. There was at least one group who exploited this by buying up domain names that were 1 bit different from their popular counterparts.
[14:39] <blackflow> ohlol
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> 34c today here
[17:56] <pauljw> hi everyone
[17:59] <oerheks> hi pauljw , any hot news?
[17:59]  * oerheks runs for the shade
[18:03] <pauljw> heheh, hi oerheks, no news here.  I lead a very boring life.
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> thats where we showup to spice things up :p
[18:05] <pauljw> :D
[18:06] <pauljw> Just got in from getting my daughter registered for school, can't believe she's a high school senior this year!
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> congrats pauljw
[18:07] <pauljw> :)
[18:17] <nacc> lol
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> wth..
[18:17] <nacc> i'm concluding it was trolling
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> that resulted fast
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> low support & rising trolls are the worst
[18:20] <Bashing-om> Lost interest in supporting qwebircXXXX - he does not seem to put a lot of effort into the learning curve .
[18:21] <nacc> yeah, it was weird
[18:21] <nacc> and honestly, it's weird they were putting a GUI on a tensorflow machine
[18:21] <oerheks> this is wanna make me stop helping qwebirc dudes, if they don't change the name, they are fake
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> the weird thing is, sometimes 1 is real out of them
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> how can we filter properly..
[18:21] <oerheks> ask them to change name, and wait
[18:22] <nacc> it's also really hard to help them over multiple days without a distinct nick
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> thats true for sure
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> we should complain on qweb itself, they need to force usernames fill in
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> lemme check that site
[18:26] <nacc> oerheks: i pinged the ops
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> they are playing with each other again
[18:28] <oerheks> nacc,  thanks, i just ignore that dude, and his ip from now on, i have a list :-D
[18:28] <nacc> oerheks: yeah i do too, but for everyone else
[18:30] <oerheks> i would love to write my own python program, that recognize ip/nicks and some marking/info details, but then again, that violates GDRP
[18:30] <oerheks> sort of plugin for hexcaht
[18:32] <oerheks> ... and some helpers have a fanclup, nacc :-D
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> what a fishy website qwebirc..
[18:33] <oerheks> lotus, they come to this site, i guess https://webchat.freenode.net/
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: with the client?
[18:35] <oerheks> web client yes
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> some wish about it: https://github.com/qwebirc/qwebirc/issues/265
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> i guess someone would have to file a new wish
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> what a weird thing, download a git client to access the freenode webchat?
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> and have a fishy john doe username lol
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> https://github.com/qwebirc/qwebirc/issues/359
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> there
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> lets hope they work fast on the git :p


[00:15] <skellat> knome: Are we going to be able to upload the updated documentation to make it in before final beta freeze?
[04:13]  * pleia2 browses doc updates
[04:34]  * skellat removes "soft bounce" issues with a Yahoo! Groups mailing list he somehow became owner/moderator of by accident
[09:55] <abderraouf> hi
[09:55] <abderraouf> Hello
[09:55] <abderraouf> There are two proposals to improve Xubuntu
[09:55] <abderraouf> One:
[09:55] <abderraouf> Director files property add make each executable files. And not only a particular file type.
[09:55] <abderraouf> Two:
[09:55] <abderraouf> Add graphical interface to insert the proxy.
[09:55] <abderraouf> Greetings from the Linux community Arab.
[11:09] <knome> skellat, yes, that isn't subject to any freezes we're into
[18:10] <skellat> Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5643960/
[18:12] <Unit193> Don't think anything has changed since last time, but I can take a look over and put in an official stamp on it.  (I know I can email or use the webui.)
[18:16] <skellat> We might actually get to close out Launchpad Bug #1154220 perhaps
[18:22] <Unit193> Hmmm... Just noticed another en_GB spelling of USC too.
[18:27] <Unit193> Unrelated to the offline section, 3 of 3 browsers didn't display the first note correctly in desktop-guide/managing-applications.html
[18:28] <Unit193> skellat: As per the revision log, you haven't changed anything technically speaking since last check other than the issues seen.
[18:43] <Unit193> (Simple fix http://pastebin.com/cNwkUGWn)
[18:47] <Unit193> knome: Off to you.
[18:55] <skellat> Found it, committing the fix now
[18:59] <Unit193> It's not technically part of your offline doc, but handy to slip in. :P
[19:10] <Unit193> skellat: Are you seeing the same alignment issue I am?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1xducv36p03p1i/snap2.png and https://www.dropbox.com/s/z8oolbovrvovbyb/snap1.png are two examples.
[19:11] <skellat> Yep
[19:11] <skellat> That may be a CSS issue that requires adjustment
[19:12] <Unit193> We can let knome fix that one.  I got it in xombrero, firefox (aurora, v21), and opera.
[21:02] <knome> Unit193, is it only that note? eg. not any other note in any other page?
[21:21] <knome> Unit193, all those should be fixed and pushed now.
[21:28] <knome> we should clean up https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/
[21:33] <skellat> Documentation not being up to date seems to be a recurring issue
[21:33] <knome> unfortunately, yes
[21:34] <knome> btw, you probably noticed i merged your branchs
[21:34] <knome> -s
[21:35] <skellat> Yep
[21:35] <skellat> Caught that
[21:35] <skellat> I wonder if, after the clean up, if Launchpad Bug #1064081 is still an issue
[21:35] <knome> that's targeted at Q, so probably
[21:36] <knome> not sure if we'll update the Q package, but we can definitely fix that for R
[21:36] <knome> though i'm not 100% sure if that is a bug
[21:38] <skellat> In typical style guides, introducing it first as Parole Media Player and then referring to it the second time and later as Parole is acceptable
[21:38] <skellat> I'm marking that invalid
[21:38] <knome> well
[21:38] <knome> looks like we're referring to "PMP" several times
[21:38] <knome> then on the next section start to talk about "parole"
[21:39] <knome> there is definitely inconsistencies
[21:39] <knome> *are
[21:40] <knome> the other thing we need to do is reintroduce gimp and gnumeric in the docs
[21:40] <skellat> I'll mark it as confirmed then
[21:40] <knome> at least in guide-default-apps.html
[21:40] <skellat> Need to add that to my TODO list for the week ahead
[21:40] <skellat> Launchpad Bug #707104 looks like it was just incorrectly closed
[21:41] <knome> that's for lucid, which is EOL in a few weeks
[21:42] <skellat> Then that bug needs to just be closed out
[21:42] <skellat> Launchpad Bug #693699 looks like a non-issue
[21:42] <knome> yeah. last point release was on feb 16
[21:43] <skellat> Launchpad Bug #692858 needs to be confirmed as to whether it still even exists as an issue
[21:43] <knome> we don't have that page.
[21:44] <knome> i believe we're fine with that bug
[21:44] <skellat> So 692858 can be closed?
[21:44] <knome> i just marked it as wontfix
[21:44] <skellat> Okay
[21:45] <knome> i don't completely understand #693699
[21:45] <knome> i'm thinking it might have something to do with the directory structures
[21:45] <skellat> #693699 looks to be an old issue with version numbering.  As long as debian/changelog is properly kept up there shouldn't be an issue
[21:46] <knome> ok
[21:46] <knome> then i suppose it's invalid
[21:46] <skellat> That one could go WONTFIX
[21:46] <knome> or that.
[21:46] <skellat> Launchpad Bug #690784 probably needs investigation on two separate fronts
[21:47] <knome> i don't think we're covering that in our docs.
[21:48] <skellat> Let me pull up the browser on LP really quick
[21:48] <knome> i'm looking at the sources too
[21:48] <knome> oh wait, we do
[21:48] <knome> on hardware-devices.html
[21:49] <knome> i think we're good with that
[21:49] <knome> desktop-guide/hardware-devices.html#suspending-hibernating
[21:49] <skellat> If we're good, that bug can be squashed
[21:50] <knome> i think what we have now is fine
[21:50] <skellat> "Fix Released" perhaps for that?
[21:50] <knome> we might want to review that section though, but that's a different bug
[21:50] <knome> hmh.
[21:50] <skellat> Launchpad Bug #489285 just looks like something that was never closed out properly
[21:51] <knome> true
[21:51] <knome> marking as fix released
[21:51] <knome> not sure if 690784 is fix released
[21:52] <knome> the bug still exists in maverick (which is EOL though)
[21:53] <knome> oh well.
[21:53] <skellat> WONTFIX
[21:53] <knome> i don't mind as long as it is closed
[21:54] <knome> looks like the bug is invalid for docs and fix released for xfce4-session (but the bug isn't listed against that)
[21:55] <knome> marked it as wontfix
[21:56] <knome> looks better now
[21:58] <skellat> Yeah
[22:12]  * skellat disappears so as to get back to writing out his podcasting scripts long-hand for recording later tonight for LISTen: An LISNews.org Program and The Burning Circle
[22:17] <knome> :)
[22:17] <knome> hf