[00:00] <Raspberry> heh my display won't wake up :)
[00:02] <Arand> nope, no low-power messages for my power-manager, I think it definitely needs a hug.
[00:04] <shirish> guys, there was a g-p-m update
[00:14] <mcphail> Will nvidia 8400GS cards be supported by the binary nvidia driver in hardy?
[00:21] <mcphail> Anyone any idea which iteration of the binary nvidia drivers we will have in hardy?
[00:25] <Flannel> !info nvidia-glx
[00:25] <Flannel> !info nvidia-glx-new
[00:25] <ubotu> nvidia-glx (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1:96.43.05+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31 (hardy), package size 3761 kB, installed size 11992 kB
[00:25] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31 (hardy), package size 5125 kB, installed size 15228 kB
[00:25] <mcphail> Thanks Flannel
[00:26] <mcphail> !botsnack
[00:26] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[00:39] <alex_mayorga> E: python-wxgtk2.8: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 ???
[00:40] <alex_mayorga> looks like jockey-gtk is dead on arrival
[00:40] <crimsun> -D1337 please
[00:40] <crimsun> and the spew will be enormous, so pastebin it
[00:41] <crimsun> jocket* upgraded fine here
[00:41] <shirish> !botsnack
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> !pastebin
[00:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[00:41] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[00:41] <alex_mayorga> crimsun: you mean me?
[00:42] <crimsun> alex_mayorga: yes
[00:42] <crimsun> alex_mayorga: I want the spew from python-wxgtk2.8, ofcourse
[00:44] <alex_mayorga> crimsun: can you dumb it down a notch for me?
[00:44] <crimsun> ?
[00:45] <alex_mayorga> I can't copy from the error on update-manager :(
[00:45] <alex_mayorga> spew??
[00:45] <RAOF> crimsun: -DLEET?? :)
[00:46] <crimsun> no, this is sudo dpkg -i -D1337 /var/cache/apt/archives/python-wxgtk2.8(whichever version).deb
[00:47]  * RAOF didn't know dpkg had a leet-speak option.
[00:47] <alex_mayorga> where is the log of u-m?
[00:47] <jimmygoon> Whats wrong with jockey-gtk?
[00:48] <alex_mayorga> refuses to install over here
[00:49] <DanaG>                1000   Lots of drivel about e.g. the dpkg/info dir
[00:49] <DanaG>                 200   Lots of output for each configuration file
[00:49] <DanaG>                 100   Lots of output for each file processed
[00:49] <DanaG>                  20   Output for each configuration file
[00:49] <DanaG>                  10   Output for each file processed
[00:49] <DanaG> gaaack, didn't mean to do that.
[00:52] <alex_mayorga> crimsun, the output for that is huge
[00:54] <alex_mayorga> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60107/ hope it helps
[00:54] <crimsun> welcome to 13 minutes ago.
[00:54] <alex_mayorga> ??
[00:55] <crimsun> my connection is horribly aggy ATM
[00:55] <crimsun> I can't look right now, because something's up with this connection
[01:04] <alex_mayorga> crimsun: did you get the paste?
[01:09] <J-_> yep, an update must have broke wireless. It's enabled, looks like it's working proper on the router.
[01:19] <m1r> evening
[01:20] <m1r> is HH 8.04 alpha 6 latest version to download ?
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. ive been testing out various live cd's this week. and ONE of them had a stand-alone flash player from adobe, which was handy. But i cant seem to find it in any other disrtos/flash  anyone know was it part of the flash installs or a stand alone app?  Was there one in Hardy?
[01:25] <m1r> does anyone know when does beta 1 coming out ?
[01:26] <Flannel> m1r: Thursday is when it's scheduled
[01:27] <m1r> ok many tnx Flannel , think i can wait till then then to try :)
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> Can anyone else see http://java.freenode.net/index.php?go=1 okay?  I'm getting a message about needing the java plugin, but I have one installed.
[01:29] <m1r> tonyyarusso: works here
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> m1r: any idea what packages you're using for it?
[01:29] <m1r> all default
[01:29] <m1r> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:30] <m1r> but i am on 7.10 atm
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> Oh.
[01:30] <gravemind-hardy> I am about to do an update
[01:30] <gravemind-hardy> and libc6 is one of the packages being updated
[01:31] <xnix> Hey guys, can anyone tell me if there is a way to make ubuntu unmount a certain hard drive before going to sleep....its fine if i have to manually remount it on resume
[01:31] <gravemind-hardy> should I just not install it
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> gravemind-hardy: should be fine now, provided your mirror is up to date
[01:31] <gravemind-hardy> alright
[01:39] <ogre> hey guys, having issues with the iwl3945 drivers and monitor mode. any suggestions?
[01:40] <Arand> what does xorg-video-driver 1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>.12.31 mean in terms of ATI:s naming convention, what version?
[01:40] <ogre> err im getting the wlan0_rename for the name of my wireless card as well which is kinda irritating
[01:41] <ogre> eth1 is still there but doing nothing (which was my wireless card with ipw3945 drivers) some sort of collision is suppose?
[01:42] <protonchris> Probably a silly question, but you don't happen to have both drivers loaded?
[01:43] <ionstorm> can someone apt-get install python-wxgtk2.8 because I think that package is broken
[01:43] <ionstorm> http://pastebin.ca/948351 im getting a crzy install error http://pastebin.ca/948351
[01:44] <ionstorm> shit pasted twice lol
[01:45] <protonchris> ionstorm: I get the same.
[01:45] <ionstorm> rly
[01:45] <ionstorm> bug report I guess
[01:45] <ogre> protonchris:  its telling me i have no proprietary drivers installed and ipw3945 (my previous driver) was the proprietary intel one
[01:46] <ogre> issue is somewhere with the new iwl3945 driver
[01:46] <ionstorm> found out how to fix it
[01:46] <ionstorm> gotta install wx addons
[01:46] <ionstorm> *but* shouldnt the deb auto install that as a dep?
[01:47] <protonchris> It should.  I think there is active wx dev work going on.
[01:47] <ionstorm> ah
[01:47] <ogre> oops sorry i just realized you probably werent talking to me :/
[01:48] <protonchris> ionstorm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.8/+bug/203526
[01:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203526 in wxwidgets2.8 "python-wxgtk2.8 uninstallable due to post-installation script error" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:49] <protonchris> ogre: I probably can't help you.  I haven't used the 3945 drivers on hardy yet.  I do use them on gutsy though.
[01:49] <ionstorm> thnx chris
[01:51] <virtuald> so, i want the system to hibernate by default when i press the power button -- any thoughts on how one would enable that?
[01:51] <protonchris> ogre: the lsmod command will list all of the loaded modules (just to make sure).
[01:51] <ogre> protonchris:  actually looking through forums it is an issue with the iwl3945 drivers. i may just have to switch back to ipw3945 drivers and blacklist the iwl3945 as I have no problem using proprietary drivers
[01:52] <protonchris> ogre: good to know.  I plan to switch my laptop to hardy soon and it has a 3945 wireless chipset.
[01:54] <ogre> other than the weird interface name and inability to switch to/from monitor mode properly it seems to work okay\
[01:54] <ogre> just not good enough for my tatses
[01:55] <ethana2> virtuald:
[01:55] <ethana2> hold on a minute...
[01:55] <Arand> what does xorg-video-driver 1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>.12.31 mean in terms of ATI:s naming convention of versions, anybody knows?
[01:55] <ethana2> laptop?
[01:55] <virtuald> no, carputer
[01:56] <levander> What's the status of hardy?  Is it pretty much ready for everyone to start using it?
[01:56] <Arand> I'
[01:56] <Dr_willis> I would say..'if you have to ask' then no its not. :)
[01:56] <Arand> I'd say no...
[01:56] <protonchris> levander: not yet.
[01:56] <ethana2> oh
[01:56] <levander> damn, i'm excited, but don't have time for testing
[01:56] <levander> thanks guys
[01:57] <ogre> levander:  still alpha but works for me. release is scheduled for the 24th of next month\
[01:57] <Dr_willis> i find it safer to wait a week or 2 after the release happens. :) to be on the safe side
[01:57] <levander> Dr_willis: i see you all over the place, we must have a lot of the same interests in software
[01:57] <virtuald> i found the scripts in /etc/acpi and stuff in /etc/default, but it seems like i could just change a setting instead of screwing with the scripts
[01:57] <Arand> For me it works to and fro.
[01:57] <ogre> levander:  i see him too
[01:57] <levander> ogre: maybe he's just everywehere?
[01:58] <levander> the omnipresent dr. willis...
[01:58] <Arand> virtuald: gnome-power-manager under general tab
[01:58] <ogre> ya prolly just lurks alot of places and answers questions he knows
[01:58] <guspad> does anyone know the procedure and how hard will be pushing a core2 optimized ubuntu for ubuntu+1+1 ?
[01:59] <levander> guspad: your just talking about how easy the dist-upgrade will be?
[01:59] <ogre> to ibex i believe he means
[01:59] <guspad> levander,  and entire new CD
[01:59] <guspad> ogre, yes
[02:00] <ogre> guspad:  dont you think thats a little premature?
[02:00] <virtuald> Arand: is there just some global thing instead of gnome-specific?
[02:00] <guspad> ogre, maybe, i was just curious
[02:00] <DanaG> Oh hey, a fix for that wlan0_rename: dig around in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[02:00] <ogre> DanaG:  I love you
[02:00] <ogre> ahahah thx
[02:01] <DanaG> They really should fix that thing.
[02:01] <virtuald> since, hibernate is about twice as fast starting up as a normal startup would be
[02:01] <ogre> that should go in the wiki somewhere
[02:01] <ogre> DanaG:  yes they shout as its a very popular chipset
[02:02] <Arand> virtuald: sorry, no clue as to that.
[02:02] <donomo> all audio apps work except flash in firefox. any ideas?
[02:04] <ogre> DanaG:  so i should just rename to iwl3945 right?
[02:04] <ogre> i noticed it said IPW3945 there
[02:05] <Cpudan80> Hello all
[02:05] <Cpudan80> Will Hardy roll out with Gnome 2.22 ?
[02:05] <donomo> Cpudan80: its already there, so yes
[02:06] <ccharles`> is nvidia-glx-new busted right now, or is it just me?
[02:06] <Cpudan80> :-)
[02:06] <Cpudan80> Great ty ty
[02:06] <Cpudan80> What's the release data again?
[02:06] <Cpudan80> April 21 ?
[02:06] <Flannel> Cpudan80: 24
[02:06] <Cpudan80> oh
[02:06] <Flannel> Thursdays are the days Ubuntu goes 'round.
[02:06] <Cpudan80> 1 week after my birthday :-)
[02:07] <Cpudan80> A belated gift from the good folks at Ubuntu :-)
[02:07] <ogre> my birthday is march 24th I wish they'd push it up a month ;P
[02:10] <DanaG> Actually, instead of changing driver, change the interface name.
[02:10] <DanaG> rename wlan0_rename to wlan0
[02:11] <ccharles`> is there an easy way to disable the bulletproof X stuff temporarily? i.e., if X doesn't start with my config, I'd like it just to die like it used to.
[02:15] <ogre> DanaG:  thanks. what about non working eth1 interface? should I just delete it?
[02:16] <DanaG> If it's not present, it won't do anything but reserve the space for itself.
[02:17] <ogre> DanaG: eth1 is actually there but no wlan0_rename there
[02:17] <myk_> hello, all.
[02:17] <myk_> i need help with the Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 6 live cd. If i boot in normal mode, the graphics/fonts are HUGE to where i cannot use it. If i boot into safe graphics mode, it boots to console
[02:17] <myk_> is there an issue with Intel graphics chipset? i945GM
[02:20] <ogre> DanaG:  heres a pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60117/
[02:23] <myk_> anyone around tonight?
[02:23] <DanaG> Dinner time for me.
[02:23] <myk_> i'll have some....
[02:36] <hmuller> I have a usb smartcard reader that stopped working within the last week.  Uses libccid, but is no longer creating the device when inserted.  Is this related to any current breakage, or should  I create a bug?
[02:48] <HardyOne> sound stopped working after I installed VBox last night. any ideas what it could of caused this and how to fix it?
[02:51] <HardyOne> !sound
[02:51] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:02] <Lunks> I can't seem to use multimedia keys from my notebook
[03:02] <Lunks> I'd like to know how to find if they're being recognized by ubuntu
[03:02] <Lunks> or if it's just exaile problem
[03:03] <DanaG> Gnome recently changed the multimedia-keys interface somehow; many apps are now broken.
[03:03] <DanaG> "quodlibet" is one that still works.
[03:04] <Lunks> ok, I'll install and see if it works. :)
[03:06] <Raspberry> another network-manager update
[03:06] <Raspberry> wow
[03:06] <DanaG> Get the -ext, too.
[03:06] <Lunks> DanaG: don't work =P
[03:06] <Lunks> oh ok
[03:07] <DanaG> And then go to plugins and enable ones you want, including multimedia keys.
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> Raspberry: Well the last one wouldn't even take my key
[03:08] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: I don't use secured wireless networks
[03:08] <Raspberry> information should be free
[03:08] <Raspberry> I provide free wireless to my neighborhood
[03:09] <Lunks> DanaG: yeah, it's working.
[03:09] <Raspberry> I was complaining about the poor quality of the flash plugin ... I see there's a flash plugin update :p
[03:09] <DanaG> The only annoying thing: File Browser view is buggy.  It sometimes stops showing folder contents.
[03:09] <Lunks> DanaG: thanks for help, hopefully there's a fix somewhere for exaile. ;P
[03:11] <h3sp4wn> Raspberry: I don't disagree with it but I don't like being legally accountable for something I have no control over
[03:13] <Kl4m> Is sun-java6-plugin not registering with Firefox right now (hardy)
[03:13] <tgelter> since ya'll are talking about this anyway...are flash/java supposed to be working on amd64 w/ firefox right now?
[03:15] <Kl4m> Oh. Am I the annoying guy who's asking this for the millionth time? I'd understand
[03:16] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: you're not legally accountable
[03:16] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: it's kinda like how they don't fine the mother when the children download music on the internet, even though the mother pays the bill
[03:17] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: congress also passed a law recently that defined who would be responsible... and basically the law states you're only responsible if you keep logs... if you don't keep logs of the internet traffic they you're not responsible
[03:17] <Jordan_U> Kl4m, I think it's just low traffic right now :) But check current bugs anyway
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> Raspberry: I am in England though
[03:18] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: good luck with that then :P
[03:18] <Raspberry> weird ... it updated my network-manager and didn't even drop the connection ... that's odd... the last half a dozen net-man updates have dropped the connection
[03:23] <Kl4m> I usually upgrade around the end of alpha (yesterday), to make sure I can voice particular issues with my hardware or usage patterns in time to make a difference. I'm confident this Java thing will get noticed by someone else (or the java team is really asleep on the switch)
[03:40] <RichW> python-wxgtk2.8 is broken?
[03:40] <RichW> or is it just me?
[03:45] <Kl4m> RichW: What is the app choking up?
[03:45] <ScottK2> There was a new upload of it today.
[03:45] <bwlang_> i'm having some keyboard trouble... the caps lock key is stuck on.... anybody know how to reset the keyboard without having to restart X?
[03:46] <Kl4m> My shift keys get stuck sometimes... just saying...
[03:47] <RichW> apt error here: http://pastebin.ca/948451
[03:47] <bwlang_> Kl4m: there's a bug #190934
[03:47] <RichW> plz look :)
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190934
[03:47] <bwlang_> but my usual fix of changing the keyboard mapping from 104 to 105 is not working at the moment.
[03:48] <RichW> I suppose developers dont put much effort into testing a package on an alpha os
[03:48] <bwlang_> on an unrelated note i can't seem to nominate that bug for hardy.
[03:49] <RichW> Kl4m: any ideas?
[03:52] <HardyOne> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory   what do I do with this error?
[03:52]  * HardyOne sticks it in his hat with all the other errors
[03:56] <Kl4m> RichW: I really don't know. I really never focused on understanding the GNOME or X structure so I don't even know where to begin
[03:57] <troxor> ah ha, here we go
[03:59] <troxor> so, the hardy background looks really cool, but it looks like the heron's neck has been slit o.O
[03:59] <Administrador> hi guys, i need some help with remounting a usb with read-write permisions after suspend (8.04 alpha6)
[03:59] <LibertyShadow> troxor, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/196543
[04:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196543 in ubuntu-wallpapers "[Hardy] Bloody Heron on background wallpaper" [Undecided,Fix released]
[04:00] <LibertyShadow> troxor, I didn't notice that until someone pointed it out.
[04:01] <troxor> oh sweet, who knew it would actually be considered a bug?
[04:02] <troxor> LibertyShadow: same here :)
[04:02] <troxor> the black one is REALLY cool looking
[04:02] <InadeArg> hi guys, i need some help with remounting a usb with read-write permisions after suspend (8.04 alpha6)
[04:03] <Stormx2> First ubuntu release in a while which seems to make my computer more responsive. Nice work.
[04:03] <Stormx2> Though I can't get my keyboard into british english
[04:03] <Stormx2> pound signs etc.
[04:04] <RichW> system --> preferences --> keyboard --> layouts
[04:04] <RichW> I'm british too.
[04:10] <J-_> Has wireless been fixed yet?
[04:11] <troxor> J-_: wireless is an adjective ;)
[04:12] <J-_> I'm pretty sure that sentence made sense...
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> Its fundementally broken
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> Maybe wimax will fix it eventually
[04:14] <HardyOne> where is the theme manager?
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> Its a bit better if you use the a band
[04:14] <J-_> h3sp4wn: When will that be? Hopefully not too long. =)
[04:16] <h3sp4wn> J-_: well the n standard is not finalised either (That doesn't seem like it will help much either)
[04:17] <InadeArg> hi guys, i need some help with remounting a usb with read-write permisions after suspend - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=728331
[04:18] <J-_> h3sp4wn: I don't think I use wireless N. I'm using DSL.
[04:18] <J-_> Not sure what type of device, but I
[04:19] <J-_> 'm pretty sure I don't use N
[04:26] <kumarphilly> dang
[04:26] <kumarphilly> they just banned me on #ubuntu
[04:27] <tritium> kumarphilly: you clearly wanted me to, by provoking
[04:27] <kumarphilly> no
[04:27] <kumarphilly> i am just
[04:27] <kumarphilly> trying to prove a point
[04:28] <tritium> You failed to do so.
[04:28] <LibertyShadow> jbond00747, I like your nick
[04:29] <kumarphilly> tritium, yes
[04:29] <kumarphilly> and you failed to follow the code of conduct
[04:29] <tritium> No, that would be you.
[04:29] <kumarphilly> yes
[04:29] <tritium> kumarphilly: this is offtopic here.
[04:29] <kumarphilly> it would be
[04:29] <kumarphilly> i admit it
[04:29] <tritium> kumarphilly: take it to #ubuntu-ops, if you want to discuss it further
[04:29] <kumarphilly> i cursed 2 times
[04:29] <kumarphilly> ok
[04:29] <kumarphilly> meet me there
[04:30] <hydrogen> this discussion is going places.
[04:33] <kumarphilly> tritium, PING!
[04:34] <jimmygoon> I'm sure that we all have something better to do that lurk #ubuntu/#ubuntu+1 and troll
[04:34] <jbond00747> I just installed the alpha/beta of 8.04 (it was from the alpha6 cd, but it's updated to current at this point. I'm not sure what the current rev is) on a new Dell D830. That machine has point a trackpoint and a touchpad. Is there any way to configure the acceleration for each of them independently? If I adjust the acceleration so the touchpad is good the trackpoint is way to fast. I get the reverse problem if I try to adjust the
[04:34] <jbond00747>  other way.
[04:35] <jimmygoon> jbond00747, do they appear as separate devices in your xorg.conf file
[04:36] <jbond00747> don't think so, but I'm not sure
[04:36] <jbond00747> I have a "Configured mouse" and "Synaptics Touchpad"
[04:36] <jbond00747> but there is no device listed under configured mouse
[04:37] <jbond00747> and under serverlayout it seems to be using the synaptics touchpad
[05:13] <nhaines> I have perhaps an interesting problem.
[05:14] <nhaines> Okay, I am running hardy on my desktop machine.  With kernel 2.6.24-12.13, the system booted fine (twice).  This last time, it warned that /dev/hdb1 was unclean and paused.
[05:15] <vox> anyone able to shed some light on why mouse-keys would be turning itself on every 2-3 days?
[05:15] <nhaines> So I rebooted and booted into recovery mode and ran fsck, which found nothing.  I rebooted again, and the boot process freezes early on.
[05:16] <nhaines> Booting back into 2.6.22-14 will work, but X drops back to failsafe mode for some reason.  I don't want to reconfigure it there.
[05:17] <nhaines> In recovery mode with 2.6.24-12, it does the raid6 stuff, then the md stuff, then it runs /scripts/init-premount, then Mounting root file system...
[05:18] <nhaines> Then running /scripts/local-top..., then it says: 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' and that's it.  Nothing more.
[05:20] <nhaines> Aha, I think I know what the problem is.  Maybe.
[05:21] <nhaines> (I'll share once I verify.)
[05:23] <nhaines> I may have been still running the -386 kernel.  I ran 'update-initramfs -k 2.6.24-12-generic -u' and am rebooting right now.
[05:25] <nhaines> Aha, fixed!  And sound too!  :D
[05:26] <nhaines> Okay, hopefully that helps someone else.
[05:53] <RichW> Is python-wxgtk2.8 broken? I am having trouble installing it. http://pastebin.ca/948451
[05:53] <RichW> Shall i file a bug?
[06:21] <Lunks> How to change what closing lid does? I'm getting an error beep on lid closing/opening. I'd like to lock the screen, but 'blank screen' does this.
[06:29] <DanaG> damnit, hard lockup again.    In fact, it may even be slower than VESA!
[06:29] <DanaG> That's it.... next time, I AM getting ATI.  Period.  At least they help open-source now.
[06:31] <DanaG> Is "nouveau" usable for desktop right now?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> !help
[06:31] <George> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
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[06:32] <DanaG> !nouveau
[06:32] <George> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[06:32] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[06:32] <DanaG> yay, that'll ping.
[06:32] <DanaG> Sucks having your nickname in a commonly cited thing, like Seveas was a while back.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah
[06:33]  * J-_ wonders if there are any wireless updates
[06:34] <J-_> =\
[06:37] <J-_> Is anyone else having any problems with Intel wireless?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> which card?
[06:38] <RAOF> DanaG: Yes.
[06:38] <J-_> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[06:38] <Lunks> How to change what closing lid does? I'm getting an error beep on lid closing/opening. I'd like to lock the screen, but 'blank screen' does this.
[06:39] <Hobbsee> J-_: mine works
[06:39] <RAOF> DanaG: Or rather, yes, depending on what your card is.  nv5x support isn't good, nv4x support is better than the blob at 2d, and nv2x & nv3x are both pretty well supported.
[06:39] <J-_> Lunks: preferences > power management
[06:40]  * DanaG has a G73 (GeForce Go 7600).
[06:40] <Lunks> J-_: I'm getting a beep error when opening/closing, which tells me it must be happening an error.
[06:40] <DanaG> nvXX to GXX is confusing.
[06:40] <RAOF> DanaG: Welcome to "awesome support" (that's probably an nv4b)
[06:40] <DanaG> I just want to see if it fixes that damn freezing.
[06:40] <J-_> Hobbsee: weird, I think my network got owned last night, since then, it hasn't worked proper. It's either from updates, or that. I'm not sure.
[06:40] <RAOF> Well, it will... because you can't run Compiz on it.
[06:41] <J-_> Is WPA crackable? I do have encryption on the router enabled.
[06:41] <DanaG> Oddly enough, I'll even get freezing with the lid down.
[06:41] <DanaG> Perhaps even under Metacity.
[06:42] <calc> J-_: wpa/aes shouldn't be afaik
[06:42] <DanaG> I'll go back to nvidia binary for a while after that, to see if metacity freezes.
[06:42] <vox> anyone know why mouse-keys would start itself every 2-3 days?
[06:42] <RAOF> DanaG: You can play with the gallium branch of mesa, and get respectable framerates with OpenArena.  But no compiz, and no Wow.
[06:42] <Amaranth> unless you have a weak password
[06:42]  * DanaG doesn't play WoW, anyway.
[06:42] <calc> J-_: looks like it might be brute force crackable but that isn't really a vulnerability persay
[06:42] <J-_> bleh /me shakes fist.
[06:43] <Amaranth> DanaG: also, no suspend support and no power management
[06:43] <J-_> I'm using TKIP
[06:43] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  I may want to mention that :)
[06:43] <DanaG> Which is worse: hard lockup, or stuck keys?
[06:43] <Lynoure> J-_: everything is bruteforcable, excluding stuff that blocks you out or self-destructs :)
[06:43] <DanaG> Both are quite horribly annoying.
[06:43] <calc> J-_: not sure about tkip
[06:43] <DanaG> I'm on xserver-xorg-core 1.4 because it doesn't get stuck keys.
[06:43] <calc> J-_: wpa is crackable if the user picks a bad password
[06:43] <Lynoure> J-_: tkip, with long enough key, also ok, afaik
[06:43] <J-_> hmm
[06:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, how can I "Prove" to my dad that WPA2-PSK with AES is essentially "competely" secure?
[06:44] <Lynoure> J-_: 20+ was currently the "not in your lifetime" lenght
[06:44]  * J-_ doesn't get the problem then. =|
[06:44] <J-_> Maybe I need to reset the router, and set it up again
[06:44] <Lynoure> DanaG: heh, study cryptography and show him the math, then teach him what it meant :)
[06:45] <DanaG> My passphrase is<PHONE_NUMBER>123456789012345 characters long (one digit per character... that's 25, I think), and it has mixed case and some punctuatuin.
[06:45] <DanaG> yup: *************************
[06:45] <calc> eg:
[06:45] <calc> "Yes Aircrack and coWPATTY are considered brute force methods as they stematically attempt to crack the WPA-PSK by testing numerous passwords, in order, one at a time. Obviously this can be a time consuming process. coWPATTY can only try 30-60 words per second with the possibilities in the realm of 200 billion!"
[06:46]  * DanaG goes to restart Xorg.
[06:46] <J-_> I've used about 12 alphanumeric characters
[06:46] <Lunks> J-_: You shoudln't have a problem with long passwords.
[06:46] <Lunks> Unless someone knows it, you should be fine
[06:46] <calc> easy way to make hard to crack passwords is take a sentence and abbreviate it
[06:46] <calc> assuming you take a long enough sentence
[06:46] <Lynoure> Getting a long passphrase bruteforces is less likely than someone entering your network through your house window, with cable
[06:47] <J-_> I just go crazy on the keyboard, and numbers and copy the password on paper. =P
[06:47] <Lynoure> and wlans are a bit like bicycles
[06:48] <DanaG> Okay... kernel module didn't load.
[06:48] <DanaG> Missing or wrong-version symbols.
[06:48] <Lynoure> What normally makes a difference is having yours less yummy and better locked than the ones next to it :)
[06:48] <calc> on my i have wpa2/aes/11g only/mac address
[06:48] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, I'm going to have to make some dpkg-divert magic.
[06:48] <calc> i used to have it set not to broadcast ssid as well but haven't bothered with it since it seemed to cause problems with NM
[06:48] <RAOF> DanaG: For the moment, manually insmodding the version in /extra will get you the right drm module.
[06:49] <RAOF> DanaG: (Note that this doesn't happen to me at all.  Maybe x86-64 is better :))
[06:49] <DanaG> What should I dpkg-divert?
[06:49] <J-_> Lynoure: I did have a problem last night where I was having problems with my router, looked at nm-applet, and there was a 'shield' symbol beside my wireless name. That's why I figure someone cracked the darn thing
[06:49] <RAOF> No, *I* should dpkg-divert.  So that my packages replace Ubuntu's drm kernel module, so the problem you see doesn't happen.
[06:50] <J-_> I quickly changed it, and with the secure symbol back up it hasn't worked
[06:51] <J-_> I also live in a big city, so it is possible
[06:52] <calc> J-_: er the shield symbol means your connection is secured
[06:52] <J-_> yes
[06:52] <DanaG> yay.
[06:52] <calc> J-_: did you mean the shield went away?
[06:52] <J-_> yes
[06:52] <calc> J-_: ah ok, you said the shield was there so you thought you were cracked ;-)
[06:53] <J-_> whoops =P
[06:53] <DanaG> oops, forgot to kill finch.
[06:53] <calc> J-_: so with security on the wireless connection stopped working?
[06:53] <DanaG> (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[06:53] <DanaG> (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[06:53] <DanaG> Hmm, where can I get that file?
[06:53] <RAOF> DanaG: That's meant to happen. :/
[06:54] <DanaG> I saw that in the package description.
[06:54] <calc> J-_: you can right click on nm-applet and edit wireless networks and try to delete the settings for the connection and see if it works after entering the password again
[06:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what is backingstore?
[06:54] <Lynoure> J-_: no idea what a shield symbol means, I think I still get just a lock. Could be up to your icon theme, too
[06:54] <RAOF> DanaG: No, you'd be thinking of the DRM kernel module; that error is about not being able to find the mesa userspace-module.
[06:54] <J-_> calc: Yes, it was previously secured, then I had a lot of problems(still have). while the problems were persistent the security went away, then I reset my password which in turn put the security back up and it hasn't worked since then
[06:55] <J-_> Lynoure: ah sorry
[06:55] <RAOF> DanaG: Since I'm not particularly interested in overwriting people's whole 3d stack with a git snapshot of a kinda-working Gallium, you don't get 3d from my packages :)
[06:55] <J-_> I've changed the password about 3 or 4 time since then too
[06:55] <J-_> brb
[06:55] <RAOF> DanaG: Backingstore would be the offscreen buffer.
[06:55] <Lynoure> J-_: try a firmware upgrade (but not really a topic for this channel)
[06:55] <DanaG> I guess I'm better off using nvidia binary with metacity, perhaps.
[06:56] <RAOF> DanaG: What, it didn't start X?
[06:56]  * calc gone to ubuntu-meeting
[06:56] <DanaG> It did, but software rendering.
[06:56] <DanaG> As expected.
[06:56] <RAOF> Right.  Yes, if you want 3d, nouveau is still not really for you :)
[06:57] <DanaG> Well, at least for a test, I can leave the laptop on overnight and see if it freezes.  If it doesn't, then next time I'll test nvidia binary with metacity.
[06:57] <DanaG> At least metacity composite works.
[06:57] <Jordan_U> Is fglrx supposed to work with AIGLX by default in hardy?
[06:57] <RAOF> Jordan_U: Yes.
[06:57] <RAOF> Jordan_U: As I understand it.
[06:59] <Jordan_U> RAOF, option "composite" "false" was added to my xorg.conf automatically when I enabled fglrx
[06:59] <DanaG> And at least 2D is not painful with nouveau.
[07:00] <RAOF> DanaG: Damn straight.
[07:00] <DanaG> And with xorg core 1.4, I don't get keys sticking.
[07:00] <RAOF> DanaG: You're not even seeing it at its best.  It's quite a lot faster with xorg > 1.4 :)
[07:00] <DanaG> Do keys get stuck under it?
[07:00] <RAOF> Jordan_U: You may wish to file a bug :)
[07:00] <crdlb> Jordan_U: it shoudn't do that
[07:00] <DanaG> But I'm still pretty certain I'm going to go ATI next time I buy a laptop (perhaps end of June).
[07:01] <RAOF> DanaG:  Not for me, but then I can only stick keys under Compiz anyway.
[07:01] <Amaranth> RAOF: but i thought it already had the fastest render accel
[07:01] <Amaranth> you're telling me it got even faster?
[07:01] <Amaranth> Sticking keys is never compiz's fault
[07:01] <RAOF> Amaranth: Yeah, but EXA got much faster in newer Xorgs.
[07:01] <RAOF> Amaranth: I know.  It's just easier for me to trigger when compiz is running.
[07:01] <DanaG> Oh yeah, you said something about Nouveau not supporting suspend?
[07:01] <Amaranth> I have to fight people to leave that bug assigned to xorg :P
[07:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[07:02] <ubotu> DanaG: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: not enough arguments for format string
[07:02] <Amaranth> DanaG: doesn't support it at all
[07:02] <RAOF> DanaG: That's right.  It doesn't support suspoend.  At all.
[07:02] <DanaG> daaang.
[07:02] <RAOF> Someone's looking at adding it.
[07:02] <Amaranth> as in don't even try it you might break the hardware ;)
[07:02]  * DanaG wonders what'd happen if he tried anyway... hang on shutdown?
[07:02] <RAOF> This should be easier with kernel modesetting :)
[07:02]  * DanaG wishes nvidia wouldn't make such sucky VBE modes.
[07:03] <DanaG> I don't have a native-res VBE mode -- and consoles are blank if I use vga=anything, anyway.
[07:03] <Amaranth> RAOF: when is that happening?
[07:03] <Amaranth> RAOF: intel already has experimental multi-master drm and kernel modesetting
[07:03] <Amaranth> oh, and dri2
[07:03]  * DanaG goes to try suspend just for the heck of it.
[07:03] <RAOF> Amaranth: Dunno.
[07:04] <Amaranth> all the cool features i keep saying will be available by the end of the year have experimental versions right now :P
[07:04] <J-_> freakin hilarious
[07:04] <J-_> I had to reset my security on my router
[07:04] <J-_> I should actually set a bigger password
[07:05] <J-_> 17 characters long though
[07:06] <Amaranth> J-_: dude
[07:06] <J-_> yes sir?
[07:06] <Amaranth> J-_: you just gave away important information about your password and dramatically narrowed down the number of passwords i have to try to brute force it
[07:07] <J-_> Amaranth: Yeah, but I doubt you live around herem or does that matter?
[07:07] <Amaranth> i'd have to live next door or something :P
[07:07] <J-_> exactly. =D
[07:07] <crdlb> unless you enabled remote administration, but nobody's _that_ stupid
[07:07] <J-_> Yeah, but that's not the point I suppose
[07:07] <Lynoure> Amaranth: people try the shorter ones first normally anyway. :)
[07:09] <Lynoure> and even saying it's 64 characters would only cut off a fraction of the keyspace, it would still be too long to be unfeasible
[07:09] <DanaG> It does support suspend..........................
[07:09] <DanaG> It just doesn't support resume.  Bwahahahaha.
[07:09] <DanaG> (yes, I know that's lame.)
[07:09]  * J-_ high-fives DanaG
[07:10] <Lynoure> DanaG: does not make you lame...
[07:10] <Lynoure> DanaG: makes you part of the majority, that's all :)
[07:10] <DanaG> Deliberately lame jokes can still be amusing, as long as you know they're lame.
[07:11] <Lynoure> same here, I bet, but going to try anyway. Should experiment with blacklisting
[07:11] <DanaG> What's bad is people who make really lame jokes and then think they're funny.
[07:11] <J-_> that's why I don't make jokes. I is not funneh!
[07:12] <DanaG> Anyway, back to nvidia binary, but this time with metacity.
[07:12] <J-_> oh man, here I am blaming Ubuntu when my wireless flattens, and then reset security, and it works again. /me is ashamed of himself.
[07:13]  * DanaG is glad to use dd-wrt.
[07:13] <J-_> I have a wrt54gl
[07:13] <J-_> but dd-wrt firmware would be nice
[07:13] <DanaG> WHR-G125 is what I have.
[07:13] <DanaG> Viva la QoS!  I can run BT on one specific port, and de-prioritize it.
[07:14] <J-_> ohh man, that's a good idea, and I have QoS
[07:14] <J-_> hmm
[07:14] <DanaG> Then you can still use encryption, too.
[07:16] <J-_> Before even taking a look at QoS I figured, I would let either my server, or laptop have most of the connection and leave the rest of the computers on the network to be. But then I looked at how QoS is arranged(settings and so) and I quickly said no. But, I need to figure how to use it since it's effective.
[07:17] <DanaG> The wiki can help.  Do try to prioritize by port, since the other (packet-inspection) method is CPU-intensive.
[07:17] <J-_> neat, thanks for the info. Hopefully I can remember it. =)
[07:19]  * J-_ unplugs lappy, and moves to a more comfy spot in the house(kitchen table)
[07:20]  * DanaG leaves the laptop on the desk and goes to a more comfy spot: bed.  To sleep.
[07:20] <J-_> I need to do that too. But, sadly I am really awake and won
[07:21] <J-_> won't be able to sleep
[07:21]  * DanaG randomly points at the HP laptop that supports up to 8 gigs of RAM, and asks.... would any of you use that?
[07:21] <J-_> supports 8gb of ram? what the hell
[07:21] <Amaranth> DanaG: I could use it
[07:21] <Amaranth> virtual machines
[07:21] <J-_> I thought 4 was large and up to Laptop limit.
[07:22] <DanaG> http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=539&FamilyId=2623&BaseId=23735&jumpid=re_R2515_store/smProdCat/PSG/notebooks/HP_8510w_notebook_CFG9
[07:22]  * J-_ only uses 2gb of RAM, supports 4gb
[07:22] <DanaG> Do 4GB SODIMMS exist?
[07:23] <J-_> dunno
[07:23] <DanaG> Note that preconfigured (up a level) is cheaper than custom-configured.  They also offer freedos, but make it tricky (due to stickers, of all things) to get an Intel wifi card with FreeDOS.
[07:23] <J-_> I don't know much about hardware, but it did say this lappy supports up to 4gb.
[07:24] <J-_> that thing is a beaut
[07:24] <J-_> double the price of mine =P
[07:26] <J-_> I should have bought one with a nvidia card in it. But I don't game too much anymore anyway
[07:27]  * DanaG is actually going ATI next time, for the sake of true open-source now.
[07:28] <Daisuke_Ido> DanaG, i wish you the best of luck in your lollipop and ice cream land of make believe and fairy tales :)
[07:28] <J-_> Nice, I just have an Intel chipset, not sure how well games like cs:s will perform on it
[07:28] <J-_> I haven't played that in years anyway, probably a waste of cash anyway
[07:28] <Daisuke_Ido> i really hope ati's drivers do get better in a hurry though
[07:28] <J-_> If they're open or some are they will
[07:29] <J-_> They have to =P
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> that's what they said about networkmanager
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> *rimshot*
[07:29] <J-_> =(
[07:30] <J-_> I just figured the more people going open source, the more technical things are talked about and the more interest people will get.
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm a bit of a pessimist when it comes to AMD/ATI keeping their promises :\
[07:30] <Amaranth> Daisuke_Ido: already got specs for everything except the r600 3d
[07:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i really do hope things get better with ati - i've been running nvidia for years, but if good open 3d drivers come out, i'll switch :)
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Amaranth, which is a really impressive step, but what's been done with those specs so far?
[07:31] <Amaranth> nvidia is crap
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> nvidia's drivers are a boatload better than fglrx.
[07:31] <Amaranth> Daisuke_Ido: full RenderAccel for r200-r500
[07:31] <J-_> I asked Amaranth what to get, and he said yay to this chipset and Hardy so I bought it. And, I can't be more happier.
[07:31] <Amaranth> no, not really
[07:31]  * J-_ wiggles
[07:31] <fromport> i've got a laptop with ati raden 9600 and boy... it took some convincing to let it run fglrx/compiz on hardy...
[07:32] <Amaranth> since the fglrx rewrite fglrx has less features but seems to have less problems
[07:32] <Daisuke_Ido> Amaranth, whereas nvidia still has the features, and still very few problems*
[07:32] <Amaranth> ha
[07:32] <Daisuke_Ido> *for the vast majority of users
[07:32] <Amaranth> haha
[07:32] <Amaranth> hahahaha
[07:32] <Amaranth> no, because the vast majority of _our_ users use compiz and that is where the problems are
[07:33] <DreadKnight> hello
[07:33] <Daisuke_Ido> there will always be a VERY vocal minority whining about how they can't get this and that to work, then blame the drivers or the OS when in reality it's their inability to read
[07:33] <J-_> Next I want to get a firewire port for the lappy, and get a m-audio external soundcard, and some kickarse m-audio studio monitors for the bedroom.
[07:33] <DreadKnight> last time i tried upgrading to hardy alpha 6, installation went smooth
[07:34] <DreadKnight> but after reboot, it kept hanging during booting.... loading and loading...
[07:34] <DanaG> I sure am sick of my nvidia issues.
[07:34] <DanaG> Even in Windows, in fact, I've had my own share there.
[07:34] <Daisuke_Ido> i can't speak for everyone, but i've had no problems with my nvidia
[07:34] <DreadKnight> (i use kubuntu btw)
[07:34] <J-_> My desktop with a nvidia 5200fx card is smooth, but dying. Although, I don't have Hardy on it
[07:34] <BadRobot> hi there
[07:34] <Amaranth> Daisuke_Ido: memory leaks, random lockups, random display corruption, etc
[07:35] <DanaG> Failure to suspend.... some of the time.
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> Amaranth, nope, nope, and nope.
[07:35] <RAOF> Black flashes all the time.
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> haven't had issues with any of that
[07:35] <BadRobot> will be there an upgrade from Alpha 6 to Beta?
[07:35] <RAOF> DanaG: Failure to resume... more often :)
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> this in really new cards?
[07:35] <DanaG> I actually haven't had the blinking in a while.
[07:35] <DanaG> That's what I meant, actually.
[07:35] <Amaranth> Daisuke_Ido: you have the memory leak
[07:35] <fromport> dreadnight: change the boot options to boot without splash screen and look what's going wrong.
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, there is a graphics chipset i do have big problems with though
[07:35] <DanaG> I can suspend reliably, but only resume perhaps 2/3 of the time.
[07:35] <Daisuke_Ido> Amaranth, glad you told me, or i never would have known
[07:36] <DanaG> And no native-resolution framebuffer.
[07:36] <DanaG> Does radeonhd get along with radeonfb?
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> because from where i'm sitting, everything's peachy
[07:36] <Amaranth> everyone has the memory leak, you just won't notice it if you don't use compiz, don't open many windows, or have tons of VRAM
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't, i DO, and i don't.
[07:36]  * Daisuke_Ido shrugs
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> the chipset i do have a problem with is the satanic intel 965.
[07:37] <Daisuke_Ido> major resume problems, getting compiz working was such a pain that i just said screw it...
[07:38] <posingaspopular> hey all, im running kubuntu hardy, and im looking for the place which determines what runs on boot and what doesnt'
[07:38]  * J-_ barely used compiz, but since it is working a lot better on this lappy I enabled the extra settings a few days ago
[07:38] <BadRobot> have the libc6 been fixed already?
[07:39] <posingaspopular> i have a kde printer applet that is always booting and running on it's own, but I've bever printed with it before
[07:39] <BadRobot> Amaranth
[07:39] <Amaranth> BadRobot: yes, long ago
[07:39] <Amaranth> Daisuke_Ido: funny, 965 works perfectly for everyone else :)
[07:39] <Amaranth> aside from us blacklisting it in compiz in gutsy
[07:39] <fromport> posingpopular: http://ubuntu-tweak.com/
[07:39] <BadRobot> so is it save to update the libc6?
[07:39] <Amaranth> BadRobot: yes
[07:39] <BadRobot> what about the kernel?
[07:39]  * J-_ didn't want to say anything about lib6 it could have been problematic for others. =)
[07:39] <Daisuke_Ido> Amaranth, the compiz problems i understand, but the resume issues are what i have trouble with
[07:40] <J-_> libc6*
[07:40] <Daisuke_Ido> however, i'm going to do a fresh install of hardy (that laptop was upgraded from feisty to gutsy) when it goes final
[07:43] <BadRobot> so i am going to the libc6 and kernel updates ,wish me luck
[07:43] <J-_> luck has been given
[07:43]  * DanaG has only 128MB of VRAM.
[07:44] <DreadKnight> BadRobot: +1 Luck Granted!
[07:44] <BadRobot> aha
[07:44] <J-_> How much RAM do EeePC's have? Or, much can be put in them?
[07:45] <BadRobot> last time a updated my hardy box ,it got very messed
[07:46] <DreadKnight> last time i upgraded my kubuntu gutsy to hardy alpha 6 it didn't boot, stoped at the "loading..." part
[07:46] <DreadKnight> >_<
[07:46] <BadRobot> i am using Ubuntu Hardy
[07:46] <BadRobot> on my laptop
[07:47] <BadRobot> no so fun of Kubuntu's
[07:47] <BadRobot> or kde
[07:47] <damo22> is there going to be hardy xubuntu?
[07:48] <BadRobot> xfce is so ugly,i hope they make xubuntu a bit nicier
[07:48] <calc> xfce is supposed to be ugly
[07:48] <calc> its a clone of cde
[07:48] <damo22> i like xfce
[07:49] <damo22> it uses less memory than gnome
[07:49] <BadRobot> it can't be as much ugly the Darwin or freeBSD
[07:49] <BadRobot> i know,but gnome 2.22 rocks
[07:50] <J-_> xfce is quite nice, I just don't like some of default programs in the DE
[07:50] <BadRobot> Gnome-DO,Epiphany WebKit, and many other new cools features
[07:50] <calc> BadRobot: what gui does darwin/freebsd use by default?
[07:50] <J-_> I like the look  better than Gnome, but I like gnome better. =)
[07:50] <calc> well xfce isn't nearly as ugly as real cde
[07:51] <BadRobot> none
[07:51] <calc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment
[07:51] <BadRobot> you have to install one
[07:51] <damo22> the thing i like most about xfce is switching desktops by scrolling off the screen
[07:51] <calc> BadRobot: so why did you say the gui for darwin/freebsd is ugly? ;-P
[07:52] <calc> damo22: i'm pretty sure you can configure compiz to do that also
[07:52] <J-_> damo22: workspaces you mean?
[07:52] <BadRobot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
[07:52] <J-_> yeah compiz-fusion does it
[07:52] <damo22> yeah workspaces
[07:52] <calc> BadRobot: shows it running gnome
[07:53] <calc> BadRobot: looks almost identical to ubuntu
[07:53] <J-_> updates yay!
[07:53] <BadRobot> http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=screenshots
[07:53] <damo22> where can i post a screenshot?
[07:53] <J-_> xshot.org
[07:53] <J-_> don't have to register.
[07:53] <BadRobot> you can get gnome to run on FreeBSD,but i am not sure on Darwin
[07:53] <damo22> cool
[07:53] <calc> BadRobot: today.png is just windowmaker
[07:54] <BadRobot> last time i used Darwin it was Darwin 7 and now they are on Darwin 9.1
[07:54] <calc> BadRobot: the screenshot on wikipedia for darwin was running gnome
[07:56] <J-_> yikes
[07:56] <J-_> that update killed my connection =P
[07:57] <BadRobot> Did you update the kernel J-_ ?
[07:57] <J-_> no
[07:57] <J-_> No header update there.
[07:58] <BadRobot> i am afraid to update my box and have to install everything again
[07:58] <J-_> I did that when libc6 had its trouble
[07:58] <BadRobot> so is it stable now?
[07:58] <J-_> But, I know I can use the livecd and fix whatever breaks. With a little bit of guidance of course.
[07:58] <BadRobot> libc6
[07:59] <BadRobot> so guys,should i update my box?
[07:59] <J-_> BadRobot: I haven't had any problems so far, but I'm not really with the technical of things.
[08:00] <Amaranth> i am completely up-to-date
[08:00] <J-_> Same here =D (I think)
[08:00]  * DanaG goes to bed NOW.
[08:01] <DanaG> yup.
[08:01] <damo22> http://www.xshot.org/files/screenies/20080319010344Screenshot.png
[08:04] <BadRobot> http://flycharlles.deviantart.com/
[08:06]  * Hobbsee wonders how that was possibly ontopic.
[08:09] <gordonjcp> is it possible to roll the version of Ubuntu in Hardy back to a 2.0.0.x version?
[08:10] <Hobbsee> ?
[08:10] <Hobbsee> think.  read again.  try again.
[08:12] <gordonjcp> Hobbsee: is that aimed at me?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> gordonjcp: yes.  ubuntu never did version 2.0.0.x
[08:12] <oxigen> :)
[08:13] <gordonjcp> Hobbsee: <sig>
[08:14] <gordonjcp> Hobbsee: ok, the previous version that *worked properly*
[08:14] <Hobbsee> gordonjcp: of what?
[08:14] <gordonjcp> firefox
[08:14] <Hobbsee> gordonjcp: all the versions of ubuntu worked properly
[08:14] <Hobbsee> oh.  now that you actually *say* that....
[08:15] <Hobbsee> you can try firefox-2 in the repos.  i've not had success in it being coworkable (mine always uses 3.0 to launch), but it's worth a shot.
[08:15] <gordonjcp> Hobbsee: sorry, what did I start off asking about?
[08:15] <Hobbsee> gordonjcp: the version of ubuntu in hardy. :)
[08:15] <gordonjcp> well 3.0 is totally broken for me anyway
[08:15] <gordonjcp> Hobbsee: haha, oops, sorry
[08:15] <Hobbsee> hence the "think.  read.  try again"
[08:15] <gordonjcp> uptime > 36 hours
[08:16] <gordonjcp> and firefox crashing and hammering memory like nothing I've ever seen isn't really helping here
[08:16] <Hobbsee> gordonjcp: new profile?
[08:16] <damo22> i reckon theres memory leaks in firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:16] <gordonjcp> damo22: it's quite likely
[08:16] <gordonjcp> I'm going to have to make this PC dual-boot
[08:17] <gordonjcp> at the moment too much stuff doesn't work properly in Hardy, not that I mind testing it
[08:17] <gordonjcp> but sometimes I don't want to test my OS, I want to get some work done
[08:20] <damo22> i'll never go back to microsoft
[08:22] <gordonjcp> damo22: microsoft?
[08:22] <gordonjcp> oh, windows
[08:22] <gordonjcp> is it any good?
[08:22] <damo22> lol, its crap
[08:22] <gordonjcp> one of the guys at work seems quite keen on it
[08:23] <damo22> have you never used it?
[08:23] <gordonjcp> I actually have a real genuine bought-and-paid for copy sitting on my bookshelf
[08:23] <gordonjcp> but I think the mail-in rebate for the upgrade to 3.11 is probably expired by now
[08:24] <damo22> hahaa
[08:24] <gordonjcp> other than that, not really, no
[08:24] <damo22> 3.11? ancient
[08:24] <gordonjcp> I pretty much went from DOS to various Unixes
[08:24] <damo22> nice move
[08:25] <damo22> i only used xp for gaming
[08:25] <gordonjcp> damo22: started out with SCO Unix on some horking great machine at Uni
[08:25] <gordonjcp> when SCO was SCOC the really good software company, not SCOX the patent troll
[08:26] <damo22> now i dont play games anymore i have switched to ubuntu
[08:26] <gordonjcp> linux has *lots* of games, as long as you like FPSes
[08:26] <J-_> damo22: There are much greater things to learn than games. =) it happened to me, but it benefits.
[08:27] <damo22> yah
[08:27] <damo22> ive been playing around with php and mysql, its amazing what you can build
[08:28] <gordonjcp> damo22: you should look at Django, too
[08:31] <damo22> gordonjcp: wow i never knew stuff like this exists
[08:31] <gordonjcp> damo22: it's a framework, rather than a CMS
[08:32] <damo22> yeah cool
[08:32] <gordonjcp> damo22: it takes the hassle out of things like dealing with the database and templates, but you've got to make the clever stuff yourself
[08:32] <gordonjcp> damo22: a website is like a house, you've got to get the foundations right
[08:32] <gordonjcp> PHP + MySQL is like having a wheelbarrow and a shovel
[08:32] <gordonjcp> Django is like having a JCB
[08:33] <damo22> lol
[08:34] <gordonjcp> right, it's off to work I go
[08:34] <damo22> thx cya
[08:58] <finfin82> hi, anybody here owning an ati using aiglx with that on 2 monitors???
[09:13] <BadRobot> does someone in here uses Midori Web browser?
[09:14]  * gordonjcp returns
[09:28] <J-_> How well does firewire play with Hardy?
[09:29] <BadRobot> it plays nicely
[09:29] <J-_> f/me needs an external soundcard
[09:29] <BadRobot> there is no problem with firewire on hardy
[09:30] <J-_> nice
[09:30] <finfin82> hardy rulz
[09:30] <finfin82> ;-)
[09:30] <BadRobot> yep
[09:30] <finfin82> the first version where ati+aiglx+compiz work out of the box for me
[09:30] <flowOver> i took a chance and installed it.  it runs stable where i was having random reboots and freezing on gutsy
[09:30] <BadRobot> anyone using the Midori WebKit webrowser?
[09:30] <flowOver> :D
[09:30] <BadRobot> or Midori Web Browser
[09:31] <finfin82> i will give it a try with 2 monitors today.... if it works fine, it will become my new working os
[09:33] <flowOver> i have nvidia twinview up fine
[09:34] <finfin82> well this worked allready fine in 6.1
[09:34] <J-_> mmm two monitors
[09:34] <finfin82> well this worked allready fine in 6.1 @ flowOver
[09:37] <fromport> badrobot: just installed it, when on a webpage i used middle mouse to open link in new tab at wich point midori simply crashed...
[09:41] <BadRobot> ok,yep.I am using it too,it's nice and fast,but it crashes if i try to download something
[09:41] <BadRobot> now i am using Epiphany 2.22 with WebKit
[09:42] <Amaranth> you compiled it yourself?
[09:42] <Amaranth> there is only epiphany-gecko in ubuntu
[09:43] <Amaranth> which is really worthless in hardy as firefox 3 is nearly as good plus has all the extensions
[09:45] <MM2> I installed ubuntu+1 server (LAMP) and /etc/apache2 has some weard directories: them are visible, but none characters on their names
[09:47] <MM2> ah... I think them are black text on black background in terminal... annoying...
[09:48] <MM2> I installed ubuntu-desktop and login to graphical login freezes. Should I install something else too?
[09:50] <BadRobot> no there is with webKit too.
[09:51] <BadRobot> sorry,it was one debian
[09:58] <BadRobot> anyone knows how to set up Gnome DO
[09:58] <BadRobot> i mean a shortcut on the keyboard for it
[10:00] <m1r> win key + space = gnome do
[10:07] <Amaranth> how do you configure gnome-do :)
[10:07] <Amaranth> it seems to be setup almost perfect already but i want to change a couple things
[10:11] <RAOF> Amaranth: The current setup is: don't.
[10:12] <Amaranth> haha
[10:12] <Amaranth> good thing my only complaint is that i can't type 'bug 99508' into it and go to the launchpad bug :)
[10:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99508
[10:13] <RAOF> Oh.  You can mess around in gconf to change the keybinding, but I've never tried :)
[10:15] <BadRobot> http://raulsimon.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Linux-Wallpaper-35369039
[10:18] <BadRobot> does someone hows how install a new usplash?
[10:25] <cwillu> is gnome-do worth while?
[10:25] <cwillu> (coming from someone who really wants to use the deskbar, but has yet to find a use for it)
[10:28] <BadRobot> yep
[10:29] <BadRobot> it's nice and easy to find stuff with Gnome-do
[10:30] <explicitly> am I right in thinking that "Version 2.7-9ubuntu2" of libc is OK to install -- ie is not the version that caused many people to have problems?
[10:30] <Amaranth> explicitly: yes, it's alright
[10:31] <cwillu> intriguing
[10:31] <explicitly> thanks Amaranth -- been holding back the update...
[10:32] <BadRobot> me too
[10:32] <Ng> Amaranth: I'm pretty sure I've seen a launchpad plugin for it floating around somewhere
[10:32] <cwillu> explicitly, just make sure you update if you haven't since that debacle, if you're set up to download the updates automatically even if they're not installed
[10:33] <BUGabundo> humm lets see
[10:33] <BUGabundo> nothing on the # topic about python probs...
[10:33] <BUGabundo> so it must be a local or very fresh...
[10:33] <BUGabundo> I just hope its not a new libc6 bug update
[10:34] <Amaranth> Ng: whiprush wrote one
[10:35] <jimqode_> hardware test hang at lshw for me. does anybody have the same problem?
[10:35] <explicitly> cwillu, thanks for the heads up
[10:39] <Rasi> hi
[10:39] <Rasi> is the totem youtube plugin broken?
[10:40] <Rasi> it always says "ffflv_dec the data cannot be handled" or seomthing like that
[10:40] <Rasi> (german system)
[10:47] <BadRobot> rasi just use vlc plugins
[10:47] <BadRobot> or flashplayer plugins
[10:47] <BadRobot> vlc play flv formats nicely
[10:49] <Rasi> but not directly from youtube.com :)
[10:50] <Rasi> just see its broken not only on ubuntu
[10:50] <Rasi> doesnt work on arch too
[10:50] <Rasi> funny.. on gnome homepage this is one of the new key-features :P
[10:56] <darx> hi, is some one here on kubuntu kde4? how good is it?  (Dell XPS M1330)
[10:57] <Rasi> well kdelibs are 30+
[10:57] <darx> Rasi: generally linux desktops feel constrained compared to windows and macs
[10:58] <jimqode_> contrained?
[10:58] <darx> constrained..
[10:58] <jimqode> What do you mean by constrained?
[10:58] <darx> wastes space
[10:59] <jimqode> screen real estate? disk space? memory space?
[10:59] <darx> screen
[11:00] <Rasi> ah that you mean
[11:00] <Rasi> darx: you havent tried openbox
[11:00] <jimqode> just remove the top bar on gnome and you have the same workable screen size with windows
[11:00] <Rasi> i guess?
[11:00] <darx> Rasi: nope
[11:00] <Rasi> you should
[11:00] <darx> i did run fluxbox on gentoo
[11:00] <Rasi> same with fluxbox
[11:00] <jimqode> I work with wmii
[11:00] <darx> it was pretty good but then i got tired of emerge
[11:00] <Rasi> much more space than on windows
[11:01] <Rasi> darx: openbox/fluxbox exist for ubuntu too of course
[11:02] <Rasi> m
[11:02] <darx> Rasi: I know but I'd like KDE4 if it wasn't so buggy. I'm eagerly waiting for the beta
[11:02] <darx> thats tomorrow isn't it?
[11:02] <Rasi> kde4 wont feel much better before 4.1
[11:02] <darx> dang..
[11:02] <Rasi> ubuntus version will be 4.0.2
[11:02] <Rasi> ehm
[11:02] <Rasi> 4.0.3
[11:03] <Rasi> all major changes for kde have been made in 4.1 trunk
[11:03] <Rasi> and only little parts of it were backported to 4.0.x
[11:03] <darx> Rasi: :-(
[11:03] <vallhalla81> when trying to use sound i get this msg The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plug-ins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured. please help
[11:05] <jimqode> vallhalla81, could you pastebin the output of lspci
[11:05] <Rasi> vallhalla81: vallhalla81
[11:06] <Rasi> lsmod|grep '^snd'
[11:07] <vallhalla81> !pastebin
[11:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:08] <vallhalla81> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60140/
[11:09] <Rasi> what about lsmod command?
[11:10] <vallhalla81> it di nothing when i typed it
[11:12] <jimqode> hmm weird? Rasi, do you know how to restart the sound server in hardy?
[11:12] <jimqode> it might help
[11:12] <ionstorm> hmm
[11:12] <Rasi> /etc/init.d/pulse restart
[11:12] <ionstorm> having an issue with my nvidia, with movies, i get screen ripping sometimes during the movie
[11:13] <ionstorm> what could cause that
[11:14] <vallhalla81> still no change
[11:15] <vallhalla81> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60141/
[11:15] <ionstorm> its tearing
[11:16] <Rasi> vallhalla81: try sudo modprobe snd-cmipci
[11:17] <vallhalla81> FATAL: Module snd_cmipci not found.
[11:17] <Rasi> thats bad
[11:17] <vallhalla81> reinstall all bad or fixable?
[11:18] <Rasi> the kernel should include that module normally
[11:19] <vallhalla81> ah
[11:19] <Rasi> try reinstalling kernel
[11:19] <Rasi> after that run alsaconf
[11:19] <vallhalla81> ok how do i do that?
[11:19] <Rasi> dont know how the kernel in ubuntu is called
[11:19] <Rasi> apt-get install kernel26 i would guess
[11:20] <Rasi> but i am not sure
[11:20] <Rasi> just look in synaptic
[11:20] <Rasi> the package is installed already
[11:20] <Rasi> just force a reinstall of it
[11:20] <vallhalla81> ok cool  i will let you know how it goes
[11:31] <vallhalla81> ok reinstalled kernal and tryed alsa config
[11:32] <vallhalla81> audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[11:35] <Amaranth> vallhalla81: sounds like you have pulseaudio running so you should either setup alsa to use pulseaudio or setup gstreamer to use pulseaudio
[11:36] <Rasi> that should be standard in hardy....
[11:36] <Rasi> apart from that having pulse runnig doesnt prevent you from using alsa directly
[11:36] <Rasi> it should work just fine
[11:37] <Amaranth> Rasi: only if pulse is setup to release the sound device on inactivity and nothing is using pulse to play something
[11:37] <Rasi> vallhalla81: lsmod | grep snd
[11:37] <vallhalla81> i dont seem to be able to find pulse
[11:37] <Rasi> any output?
[11:38] <vallhalla81> i cant get any sound at all
[11:39] <catweazle> vallhalla81: what kernel?
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Ubot6: quit
[11:40] <vallhalla81> 2.6
[11:40] <catweazle> more numbers please
[11:40] <catweazle> uname -a
[11:40] <vallhalla81> 2.6.24
[11:41] <catweazle> show complete name with uname -a
[11:41] <vallhalla81>  2.6.24-12-386 #1 Wed Mar 12 22:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:41] <catweazle> aha, install the generic kernel
[11:41] <catweazle> or test this
[11:41] <catweazle>  "sudo aptitude install module-assistant" followed by "sudo module-assistant auto-install alsa-source" should do it.
[11:42] <vallhalla81> i will give it a test
[11:42] <catweazle> vallhalla81: the -386 kernel is not the hit
[11:43] <vallhalla81> how do you meen sorry
[11:44] <catweazle> vallhalla81: install better the 2.6.24-12-generic
[11:45] <catweazle> sound should be fixed in latest version
[11:45] <vallhalla81> ok then i will look it up now
[11:51] <vallhalla81> how is best to install?
[11:52] <Rasi> synaptic
[11:52] <vallhalla81> and search for 2.6.24-12-generic?
[11:53] <Rasi> search for kernel
[11:53] <Rasi> it should list it
[11:55] <vallhalla81> linux image 2.6.24-12-generic i am guesing
[11:55] <Rasi> yea
[11:55] <vallhalla81> ok thank  you
[11:56] <vallhalla81> ok just rebooting wish me luck
[11:56] <snakeman> (-_-")
[11:57] <radone> how can I get to know on which port mysql listens?
[11:58] <radone> I am sure that Mysql is running
[11:58] <Pici> radone: check /etc/mysql/my.cnf and/or sudo netstat -tanp | grep mysql
[11:58] <radone> thanks
[12:00] <radone> netstat responed: tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:3306     <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN     31167/mysqld
[12:00] <radone> but telnet localhost  3306 respondes:
[12:01] <radone> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[12:01] <Rasi> what does /etc/hosts.allow say?
[12:02] <radone> hosts.allow is empty (each line is commented)
[12:03] <Rasi> mysqld: ALL
[12:03] <Rasi> add that
[12:03] <Rasi> then restart mysql
[12:04] <arcticpenguin380> why does every tune2fs change force fsck?
[12:04] <radone> please, what does it do? Will this hit a security of the server?
[12:04] <Leerok> Always nice being here.
[12:04] <Leerok> #i2p-chat is too quiet these days.
[12:06] <Rasi> radone: it will allow access to your mysql
[12:06] <Rasi> which is needed to use it :P
[12:06] <Rasi> opening services always pulls in security issues
[12:06] <Rasi> nothing to worry about tho
[12:07] <Rasi> you can of course add an IP instead of ALL
[12:08] <Rasi> but normally computers are behind a router anyway
[12:08] <Rasi> ;P
[12:08] <radone> opened & restarted, but without success. Mysql client works, telnet and my application fails with message: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[12:09] <edgy> Hi, yesterday I downloaded hardy kubuntu dvd and tried to burn it using k3b but it couldn't burn it, any one met this?!
[12:09] <Rasi> radone: probably telnet access is blocked
[12:09] <Rasi> which is wise to do anyway :P
[12:09] <Rasi> have you set up a user for mysql?
[12:11] <radone> yes of course. Using a mysql -u xxx -pxxx xxx I am able to connect
[12:11] <radone> when I do the same with my JAVA application the connection refused is reported
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> Personally when I have needed to do that I have tunneled over ssh
[12:12] <Rasi> radone: honestly this doesnt make sense
[12:12] <Rasi> :P
[12:12] <Rasi> have you executed mysql -u etc.. on the server itself?
[12:13] <Rasi> or remotely
[12:13] <radone> sure
[12:13] <radone> locally
[12:13] <radone> both - mysql client & JAVA app
[12:14] <Rasi> sure the java app knows the password?
[12:14] <Rasi> if mysql connects, mysql access is fine
[12:17] <radone> Rasi: checked out, yes, everything correct, but: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused :-/
[12:18] <Rasi> maybe as in #mysql
[12:18] <radone> ok, thanks or help
[12:23] <edgy> I now see the error is: Data doesn't fit on disk!!
[12:23] <kozure> hi! Does Heron package gnome 2.22?
[12:24] <Pici> kozure: yes
[12:24] <kozure> cool. thanks!
[12:24] <kozure> where can I find a list of "major" packages? (Xorg, gcc, etc)
[12:25] <Pici> http://packages.ubuntu.com  would be a good place to start, provided you know the package names.
[12:25] <kozure> ah, ok. thanks again.
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> kozure: depends what you want to do
[12:26] <kozure> I'll just browse packages.ubuntu.com for now :)
[12:32] <slipttees> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:32] <slipttees> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[12:32] <slipttees> wtf ?
[12:32] <Leerok> rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[12:32] <Leerok> If you know you're not currently using apt or any related programme.
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> You don't always know unless you check
[12:33] <slipttees> Leerok: thx work apt-get update now :D
[12:33] <Leerok> You're welcome.
[12:34] <h3sp4wn> s/always/ever (That damn gui updater just keeps coming back)
[12:34]  * slipttees install in other machine ubuntu warty :D
[12:35] <Leerok> Warty?
[12:35] <Leerok> That sounds like plain Debian?
[12:35] <slipttees> :-
[12:35] <slipttees> =-/
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> You can upgrade woody -> warty
[12:35] <slipttees> h3sp4wn: true ?
[12:36] <Amaranth> not supported at all
[12:36] <Amaranth> but it will probably work
[12:36] <slipttees> muahahah
[12:36] <nemo> This is odd.
[12:37] <nemo> In Gutsy I had no trouble using ffmpeg to convert videos for my SO's iphone.
[12:37] <nemo> In Hardy, it seems AAC support was removed?
[12:37] <Leerok> What?
[12:37] <nemo> or maybe I'm halucinating and AAC support wasn't in Gutsy and I used my Gentoo machine
[12:37] <Ng> nemo: if it was, it would have been for legal reasons because the AAC libraries are in multiverse
[12:37] <nemo> my memory isn't that great.
[12:37] <nemo> Ng: faac is legally encumbered?
[12:38] <Ng> nemo: afaik, yes
[12:38] <slipttees> my hardy broken :-(
[12:38] <nemo> Ng: anyway, enabling a codec isn't same as installing
[12:38] <Ng> it's a patented codec
[12:38] <slipttees> update manager ehehee
[12:38] <Leerok> Use mplayer.
[12:38] <Ng> nemo: indeed, you'd need to rebuild it I suspect
[12:38] <nemo> Ng: otherwsie totem would be unable to link to any of its legally encumbered codecs
[12:38] <nemo> Leerok: tried that :(
[12:38] <Leerok> What?
[12:38] <Leerok> Mplayer doesn't play AAC?
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> Depending on where you live you may not have to care
[12:38] <Leerok> This is an outrage!
[12:38] <nemo> Leerok: not once was I able to create something itunes would accept - and that was after many many many frustrating attempts.  I would prefer mencoder - it allows more sophisticated encoding
[12:38] <Leerok> Then again, I don't have any AAC.
[12:39] <nemo> Leerok: looking around, it appears mencoder might be weak on the container format more than the vid/sound codecs
[12:39] <Ng> Leerok: I fully expect mplayer can link against libfaac, but we almost certainly don't build it that way
[12:39] <Leerok> Hmm.
[12:39] <Ng> patents for the lose
[12:39] <nemo> Ng: I am rebuilding it, just, I thought I had done my ffmpeg encoding on the ubuntu box
[12:39] <nemo> so, was a little surprised is all.
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> Ng: Why is that they use the one from Debian Multimedia not the plain Debian one
[12:40] <Ng> h3sp4wn: hmm?
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> Ng: Its based on the package from debian-multimedia
[12:42] <nemo> ok. so, I'm a little unfamiliar with ubuntu build-dep.
[12:42] <nemo> I did it once, but totally forgot since what the next thing to do is
[12:42] <nemo> I'd like to rebuild ffmpeg with --enable-faac
[12:42] <nemo> I believe I have all *-dev deps installed
[12:42] <nemo> ubuntu automates this right?
[12:42] <slipttees> hey update manager broken my complete system
[12:43] <slipttees> tty 1 tty2 broken too
[12:43] <slipttees> :-)
[12:43]  * slipttees report bug now!
[12:44] <slipttees> :O
[12:44] <slipttees> This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed.
[12:44] <slipttees> wtf ?
[12:44] <Leerok> Hardy: try at your own risk.
[12:44] <nemo> n/m. I remember
[12:44] <nemo> apt-get source
[12:44] <Leerok> apt-get remove linux
[12:45] <Leerok> I wonder what that would do.
[12:45] <nemo> Package linux is not installed, so not removed
[12:45] <nemo> probably
[12:45] <caffeine> 'lo all i'm having some strange sound issues
[12:45] <caffeine> like echoing sounds
[12:46] <nemo> caffeine: that can happen with some sound systems...
[12:46] <Leerok> Oh, you probably need to disable all your recording devices.
[12:46] <nemo> yep :)
[12:46] <nemo> Leerok: I screwed that up once.  Set one of my sound outputs as an input :)
[12:46] <Leerok> I've done that many times.
[12:47] <nemo> that is a very cross-OS bug
[12:47] <nemo> but maybe in this case ALSA or something misdetected his sound card.
[12:47] <Leerok> Imagine doing that with a rock-concert quality speaker!
[12:47] <nemo> owie
[12:47] <caffeine> like in system sound?
[12:49] <nemo> haha. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ffmpeg <- looks like my problem is a common one :-p
[12:51] <nemo> that one may burn a lot of people as apple products get popular
[12:52] <nemo> ubuntu has bent on linking to (unused but installable) libs of uncertain legal status.
[12:52] <nemo> perhaps it should do so again with ffmpeg
[12:52] <Leerok> Burn the Apple products!
[12:52] <nemo> but they are just so darn elegant :-p
[12:53] <nemo> iphone is like a miracle of circuitry origami
[12:53] <Leerok> Burn the cranes!
[12:53] <stefano_> nemo, here's a tip: don't start that discussion :>
[12:53] <nemo> heh
[12:54] <nemo> didn't know there were enough strong feelings about it :)
[12:54] <nemo> stefano_: certainly it pisses me off that my wife has to reboot into linux to use the iphone... at least until I A) get itunes working under wine with iphone or B) [preferably] get the latest libgpod working with jailbroken iphone
[12:55] <nemo> Even better would be (C) Someone start a hackint0sh firmware for iphone :)
[12:56] <stefano_> hehe
[12:57] <Ng> nemo: you could stop buying proprietary lockin phones too ;)
[12:58] <nemo> Ng: hey. do you own a qtopia greenphone?
[12:58] <nemo> no?
[12:58] <nemo> well then.
[12:58] <nemo> iphone is closest thing to an open phone in the entire damn market :(
[12:58] <nemo> grep: /var/tmp/qgVXeafFGgZGRqlGLGPGo/newfile: No such file or directory
[12:58] <nemo> Copying files to the temporary directory... FAILED!
[12:59] <Dr_willis> I keep hearing about that Linux open phone, whatever its called... every so often. If it does come out... it will be my next phone. :)
[13:00] <Dr_willis> assuming its not some nasty $$$ like 300+
[13:00] <nemo> Dr_willis: ditto
[13:00] <nemo> Dr_willis: I came that close to getting one last year
[13:00] <Dr_willis> My current cellphone cost me $20
[13:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:00] <nemo> could not convince boss to shell out for a dev phone.
[13:00] <nemo> my current cellphone cost me $0 since I as planning to renew my contract anyway
[13:00] <Dr_willis> Id have to convince my wife.
[13:00] <Dr_willis> then after she saw all the neat things.. i bet she would take it from me
[13:01] <nemo> Dr_willis: I've seriously considered using a subnotebook as a "phone" :)
[13:01] <nemo> with one of those cell system cards of course :)
[13:01] <Dr_willis> Well this winter shes mainly at home. The Skype Phone is her main phone,
[13:01] <nemo> if it can fit in my large inner jacket pocket, I'm set.
[13:01] <nemo> no idea how well that would work with linux though
[13:02] <nemo> Sooo. Anyone happen to know why checkinstall failed ?
[13:02] <Ng> nemo: I didn't say an open phone, I said a proprietary lockin phone ;p
[13:02] <nemo> with this whole "newfile" missing thing?
[13:03] <nemo> Ng: whatever. same applies to every phone on the market
[13:03] <Ng> nemo: nonsense
[13:03] <nemo> Ng: Nokia locks their phone
[13:03] <nemo> and gives FAR less access to subsystems
[13:03] <Ng> nemo: also nonsense, I can run anything I like on my n95, including python scripts
[13:03] <nemo> hell. you can't even write an app to get CELLID without a signature
[13:03] <nemo> Ng: and I can run apache on my iphone. your point?
[13:03] <Ng> self-sign
[13:04] <Ng> my point is that i don't have to void my warranty to do it
[13:04] <Ng> you do
[13:04] <nemo> Ng: can't do it with self-sign
[13:04] <Ng> => proprietary lockin
[13:04] <nemo> Ng: revirginising is trivial.
[13:04] <Ng> why would you want cellid anyway? the thing has gps
[13:04] <nemo> and in terms of modification, that flimsy legal protection is hardly comparable with the things one can do to an iphone. it is like a mini mini subnotebook
[13:04] <nemo> I'm cheering on the linux ones anyway
[13:05] <nemo> Ng: Even in the blackberries, enabling GPS is a stupid idea
[13:05] <nemo> Ng: but not all nokia phones have gps assuming one wanted to enable it
[13:05] <nemo> none of the ones I developed on did
[13:05] <Ng> why is it stupid?
[13:05] <Ng> I quite like knowing where I am ;)
[13:05] <nemo> giant waste of battery life - pisses off users when your app "kills their blackberry"
[13:06] <Ng> haha
[13:06] <nemo> using cell ID for positioning usually allows placing person within 100-200 metres in most urban areas.
[13:06] <nemo> sometimes less
[13:06] <nemo> in fact, in most urban areas, it is more reliable than gps
[13:06] <Ng> err, no
[13:06] <nemo> heck. even works in buildings, while GPS requires a clear LOS
[13:06] <nemo> Ng: um. look ok. I was testing on a dozen friggen phones
[13:07] <nemo> Ng: we always had GPS issues.
[13:07] <Ng> nemo: be that as it may, to say "you can't get CELLID therefore iphone is win" is a bit of a thin argument. unless you void your iphone warranty, you can't do anything useful with them
[13:07] <Ng> the same is not true of lots of other phones
[13:08] <nemo> Ng: I already argued that that flimsy legal protection you get for "not voiding your warranty"  (as if revirginising the iphone isn't a mouse-click away) is hardly comparable to what the iphone DOES allow.
[13:08] <Ng> and good luck getting apple to bless a python interpreter
[13:08] <nemo> things you can never never do with other phones.
[13:08] <nemo> Ng: but yes, apple blessed apps is another issue
[13:08] <nemo> but at least they don't have a 12 stage signing program
[13:08] <Ng> it's an issue of proprietary lockin!
[13:08] <nemo> there is faaaar more of that with other phones
[13:08] <nemo> if you try to get anything done with them
[13:08] <nemo> and many times you get to negotiate with the networks too. insane
[13:09] <jussio1> hmmm, gps on n95 apps :) company I work for has made one of those :D
[13:09] <Ng> I don't have to negotiate with anyone to run anything on my phone
[13:09] <nemo> hell. AT&T/Cingular did not even know what their own code signing levels were
[13:09] <ConstyXIV> beta out today?
[13:09] <Ng> I'm not talking about being an ISV, because I'm not an ISV
[13:09] <nemo> it took us 3 months to get a simple app on it
[13:09] <nemo> and of course, J2ME - limited, Symbian - a !@#$ed up nightmare.
[13:10] <nemo> I am still cheering on Android though
[13:10] <Lunks> I've got a dv6000 series notebook. If Ubuntu starts with Wi-Fi switch turned off, it seems to ignore it. No problem if it starts with it on, then I switch it off.
[13:10] <nemo> I think it is the best hope for us all.  The other linux phones don't seem to be gaining traction
[13:10] <Ng> then stop buying proprietary nonsense phones, support the linux phones
[13:10] <jussio1> nemo: go have a look at navicron :)
[13:11] <Lunks> !offtopic
[13:11] <nemo> Ng: I tried. do you own one?
[13:11] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[13:11] <nemo> Ng: couldn't even get boss to approve the $$$ for a phone.
[13:11] <nemo> Lunks: he started it :-p
[13:11] <nemo> aaanyway
[13:12] <nemo> anyone happen to know why checkinstall failed with something about a missing temp dir?
[13:12] <Zampaktu> hi, does anybody know if i can get my intel 3945 card to work in monitor mode using the iwl3945 that comes with hardy?
[13:15] <edgy> Any one managed to burn hardy dvd?
[13:20] <Dr_willis> I dont bother with the dvds :)
[13:21] <Lunks> I've got a dv6000 series notebook. If Ubuntu starts with Wi-Fi switch turned off, it seems to ignore it. No problem if it starts with it on, then I switch it off.
[13:22] <Stormx2> Hey. ALSA is broken since my upgrade to Hardy, it says it doesn't have an audio device to output to. Things like alsamixer don't work. And suggestions on what to do now?
[13:22] <Lunks> edgy: where to get? and where to check the changes?
[13:23] <Dr_willis> Stormx2,  check what kernel you are booting. Make sure  a 386 kernel dident get installed/booted by default.
[13:23] <Stormx2> 2.6.24-12-386
[13:23] <Stormx2> Is that wrong?
[13:23] <h3sp4wn> use generic
[13:24] <Stormx2> Eek
[13:24] <Stormx2> how?
[13:25] <Stormx2> linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic ?
[13:25] <Dr_willis> heh - lucky guess on my part.
[13:25] <Dr_willis> I had to remove  the 386 kernel like 4 times in the last few weeks..
[13:25] <Stormx2> Why did it install the wrong one?
[13:26] <Lunks> edgy: I've found the DVDs, but no input from what difference it has from a CD
[13:26] <Stormx2> What's the procedure for switching? install linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic and remove the other one?
[13:26] <Dr_willis> Stormx2,  thats what i did
[13:26] <Stormx2> Okay, thanks
[13:27] <Stormx2> linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic is already the newest version.
[13:27] <Stormx2> :|
[13:27]  * Stormx2 reboots
[13:27] <Dr_willis> remove the 386, or move it down the grub list :)
[13:28] <Leerok> Don't Macs come with Python?
[13:29] <Dr_willis> I imagine you can get Python for OSX . but not sure whats default on macs :)
[13:31] <edgy> Lunks: the problem with me it didn't burn because it's too big for the dvd disk!
[13:32] <edgy> Dr_willis: I spent days downloading it and now it's too big for my disk! It's 4.5 G and my dvd disk is 4.7G and still k3b complains it doesn't fit!
[13:32] <Leerok> I believe that Python comes by default.
[13:34] <Leerok> My superiors certainly didn't install it explicitly.
[13:35] <slipttees> yo
[13:35] <Dr_willis> edgy,   I cant even thinkof a reason to use the dvd. :)
[13:35] <slipttees> cat /etc/issue
[13:35] <slipttees> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[13:35] <slipttees> MUAHAHAAHAHA
[13:35] <slipttees> :D
[13:35] <Lyricaldogg> Hey guys, wot do i need to make my computer to host a web page ?
[13:36] <Stormx2> Dr_willis, it never gets past "Loading, please wait..."
[13:36] <Dr_willis> install a webserver :)
[13:36] <Pici> edgy: Did you download a daily iso?
[13:36] <Pici> edgy: did it by chance have the word OVERSIZE in the filename?
[13:36] <Dr_willis> Stormx2,  No idea on that. Theres some odd.. issue wehre the 386 kennels keep getting installed  when they are not needed.
[13:37] <Lyricaldogg> Dr_Willis : thak you... wot about naming the site ? wot can i name it ?
[13:37] <edgy> Pici: I downloaded yesterday iso and it has no OVERSIZE in the filename
[13:37] <edgy> Pici: any solution to my case now?
[13:37] <Dr_willis> Lyricaldogg,  If you are wnting your own website on the internet,, YOu got a lot of reading/research to do. :) those comercial hosting sites will do it for you for a minimal fee.
[13:38] <Dr_willis> Lyricaldogg,  or for a toy to play with. You can install a web server, and connect to your ip# and play with the site.
[13:38] <Pici> edgy: Download a new iso, Daily builds are hit and miss.
[13:38] <edgy> Dr_willis: I will give you my reason for the record. I have a very sloooow connection at home so I asked a friend with a good connection to download the dvd so I can install all my programs. I have no other option
[13:39] <Dr_willis> i agree with Pici
[13:39] <Pici> edgy: Don't get a daily iso then, get one of the milestone releases.
[13:39] <edgy> Pici: can I download a CD and then mount the files on the dvd as a repository?
[13:40] <Lyricaldogg> Dr_willis: that is what i want, just a toy that i can play with and keep building up.
[13:40] <Pici> edgy: Only for the alternate CDs.
[13:40] <Dr_willis> Lyricaldogg,  check out the various apache docs/guides, install apache, go to http://localhost
[13:40] <edgy> Pici: why can't I define a repository for the liveCD?
[13:40] <Pici> edgy: Because they arent setup the same way.
[13:41] <Lyricaldogg> Dr_willis : thank you very much
[13:42] <edgy> Pici: do you mean during the installation or even after the installation I cannot define the dvd as the repository for both of the them?
[13:44] <Lyricaldogg> Dr_willis: so Apache will be my web server?
[13:45] <eklof> Hrm, is it possible to install firefox2 on Hardy?
[13:45] <eklof> my webmail at work requires that unfortunately
[13:45] <slipttees> http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5306/telacapturadais8.png
[13:45] <eklof> I want to keep 3 also
[13:46] <Leerok> Does your webmail tell you to "upgrade your browser"?
[13:46] <arvindenriq> join irc.freenode.net
[13:46] <eklof> Leerok: no some sort of SOAP:: error
[13:46] <eklof> Web 2.0 crap
[13:46] <Dr_willis> Lyricaldogg,  apache is one web server you could use. theres apache, and apache2, and proberl others you can toy with.
[13:46] <eklof> :)
[13:46] <Leerok> What?
[13:46] <Dr_willis> !find webserver
[13:46] <ubotu> Found: libpod-webserver-perl
[13:46] <Leerok> Put a rough surface in your tub.
[13:46] <eklof> Leerok: no kidding, hang on
[13:47] <Leerok> You'll have no more soap errors if you rough the surface of your tub.
[13:47] <Dr_willis> Put the soap on a rope.
[13:47] <eklof> Leerok: "There was no SOAP:ENV:body in the XML payload sent by the server"
[13:47] <eklof> when trying to log in
[13:47] <Lyricaldogg> Dr_wilis: not pestering you, but what is your suggestion of the best one ?
[13:48] <Leerok> No idea.
[13:48] <eklof> Leerok: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/SOAP_in_Gecko-based_Browsers
[13:49] <eklof> Way beyond my comprehension anyway
[13:49] <eklof> So i thought installing fx 2 would be faster
[13:50] <Leerok> Ah, Firefox 3 doesn't have soap.
[13:50] <Leerok> A sticky problem.
[13:50] <eklof> Why not?
[13:50] <Leerok> Native WSDL and SOAP support has been removed from Mozilla 1.9/Firefox 3.
[13:50] <eklof> Crazy, would probably break lots f stuff
[13:50] <slipttees> Leerok: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041013 Firefox/0.9.3 (Ubuntu)
[13:51] <Dr_willis> Lyricaldogg,   I dont use any.  and sinceyou are totally starting out on this.  I would say go find some 'web server for begeinners' guides :) and see what they say.
[13:51] <Dr_willis> !apache
[13:51] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[13:52] <eklof> I have another question. In previous versions when I typed ssh://server I was able to just browse around and do stuff. But know it mounts it as sft all the time. I find it quite annoying.
[13:53] <eklof> In nautilus that is
[13:53] <eklof> What is up with that?
[13:53] <Dr_willis> Theres  a lot of...'issues' with some of the network/remote/mounting stuff..
[13:53] <eklof> Hm ok
[13:53]  * Leerok just uses console ssh and sftp.
[13:53] <Dr_willis> sshf was doing some nasty crashing on me yesterday
[13:53] <Dr_willis> sshfs i mean.
[13:54] <Leerok> sshfs?
[13:54] <eklof> sshfs is the future and needs to be rock-solid :)
[13:54] <Dr_willis> !info sshfs
[13:54] <ubotu> sshfs (source: sshfs-fuse): filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7-2.1 (hardy), package size 34 kB, installed size 120 kB
[13:54] <Leerok> Mounting volumes with ssh?
[13:54] <eklof> Leerok: secure shell fils system, all I use these days.
[13:54] <Dr_willis> You 'mount' a remote server as if it ws a local directory
[13:54] <Leerok> Very interesting!
[13:54] <Dr_willis> Its handy
[13:54] <eklof> NFS and samba - crap!
[13:54] <Dr_willis> when it dident crash. :)
[13:54] <eklof> sshfs - beaty
[13:54] <eklof> +u
[13:54] <Dr_willis> i wish all the fuse tools would get their names together..
[13:55] <Dr_willis> its sshfs but smbfuse, and fuseiso, or isofuse
[13:55] <Leerok> beatyu?
[13:55] <Leerok> Are you threatening me?
[13:55] <eklof> Oh
[13:55] <eklof> Yes!
[13:55] <eklof> :)
[13:55]  * Leerok hides behind the LAMP.
[13:56] <eklof> Leerok: transfers are fully encrypted aswell in sshfs.
[13:57] <eklof> So some overhead it is.
[13:57] <Leerok> Hmm, rather like sftp, but easier to use.
[13:57] <Dr_willis> Yep.
[13:57] <Dr_willis> Ive been practicing my scp - skills today. :) but sshfs is handy
[13:57] <Leerok> Is Windoze able to mount sshfs devices?
[13:58] <Dr_willis> I need to get my ssh skills up ..  theres some things i know it can do.. i just dont know hows
[13:58] <Dr_willis> Leerok,  not that i am aware of.
[13:58] <eklof> Dr_willis: like what?
[13:58] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:58] <Leerok> I'm very interested in Linux/Windows interoperability.
[13:58] <eklof> Leerok: windows is depricated!
[13:58] <eklof> :)
[13:58] <Leerok> Not when your superiors say it isn't.
[13:58] <Dr_willis> eklof,  likei gotta rember how to set up scp/ssh where i dont need to keep entering my password.. :)
[13:58] <Leerok> And when the customers don't know what Linux is.
[13:59] <Dr_willis> i forget how.. somthingto do with the right keys copied over.. time to dig out my ssh book/guides
[13:59] <eklof> Dr_willis: ok, just use public key authentication then
[13:59] <Dr_willis> Yep. on my todo list.
[13:59] <eklof> I still use passwords.
[13:59] <Dr_willis> Heck. today was the frst time i dident have to google for scp notes to remeber how to use scp.
[13:59] <Leerok> SCP, another protocol for file transfers?
[13:59] <eklof> Leerok: then tell your bosses a few things and educate the customer :)
[13:59] <Dr_willis> im just on a local lan.
[14:00] <Dr_willis> scp is 'ssh cp' :)
[14:00] <eklof> Leerok: yes. copy using ssh
[14:00] <Leerok> Hmm.
[14:00] <eklof> WinSCP
[14:00] <Dr_willis> scp thisfile username@server:/place/to/copy/to
[14:00] <Leerok> I do tell my bosses, but not all of them know Linux.
[14:00] <eklof> A client for windows to connect to a ssh server and copy file-
[14:00] <Leerok> I'm slowly introducing it to them, though.
[14:00] <Dr_willis> winscp is a gui interface to scp :)
[14:00] <Dr_willis> its handy also.
[14:01] <eklof> All I use
[14:01] <eklof> No FTP here. Just SCP from windows.
[14:01] <eklof> And sshfs from linux
[14:01] <Dr_willis> it would be neat if you could find somting like sshfs for windows.
[14:01] <eklof> ssh is all you need :)
[14:01] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[14:01] <Sami88> is lib6 safe to upgrade yet?
[14:02] <Sami88> libc6*
[14:08] <Leerok> Anyone read reddit here?
[14:09] <darx> yup
[14:09] <darx> Leerok: whats up?
[14:09] <Leerok> Not much.
[14:10] <Leerok> Just enjoying my time on Linux.
[14:10] <Leerok> Always a pleasure compared to Windows, with the sole exception of games.
[14:10] <darx> Leerok: why did you ask?
[14:11] <Leerok> Just wondering.
[14:11] <nemo> Leerok: games don't do too bad either. at least the ones I play
[14:11] <darx> Leerok: are you sniffing IP's?
[14:11] <Leerok> Nope.
[14:11] <Leerok> Why do you ask?
[14:12] <darx> Just wondering. IRC is an easy way to sniff IPs
[14:12] <Leerok> Ah, I see.
[14:12] <Sami88> Hey everyone, I <3 Hardy!
[14:12] <Leerok> Though not when they register as "nat/canonical/x-ae64da79bbaeee3e"
[14:12] <Leerok> And other similar things.
[14:13] <Leerok> Hardy will be rather nice.
[14:13] <Leerok> It's been working well for me thus far, on the two computers I've installed it on.
[14:14] <Sami88> Yeah, its worked better for me than gutsy did!
[14:16] <insomninja> Is there a way to manually mount an eos 350d, I'm not running gnome atm, so I can't make use of the automatic image import functions
[14:16] <Leerok> What is an eos 350d?
[14:16] <fromport> apt-get install gphoto2
[14:16] <fromport> gphoto -P
[14:16] <Leerok> A camera?
[14:16] <fromport> gphoto2 -P
[14:16] <insomninja> a canon camera
[14:16] <insomninja> yes
[14:16] <Sami88> How is that camera?
[14:16] <Leerok> Shooting people with cameras isn't nice.
[14:17] <fromport> insomnia: that's how i read my canon eos20d ;-)
[14:17] <Sami88> I've got a Nikon D40, and love it.
[14:17] <insomninja> thanks
[14:18] <J-_> I have a D50
[14:18] <darx> sami88: nikons are awesome i've a d80
[14:18] <J-_> i want to learn how to do HDR pictures.
[14:18] <insomninja> I were hoping to be able to mount it as a regular drive but couldn't find anything likely in /dev/
[14:18] <Sami88> Do you guys mount your cameras or just use the memory sticks?
[14:18] <Leerok> lsd /dev/s*
[14:19] <J-_> memory card reader
[14:19] <Leerok> ls /dev/sd*
[14:19] <darx> j-_: its pretty easy just take 3 or more pictures with different exposures and hdr em under photoshop. there are tons of tutorials. just ask google.
[14:19] <insomninja> Leerok, I tried, that only showed me my regular drives
[14:20] <J-_> darx: cool. I don't use photoshop =P
[14:20] <Sami88> Can't GIMP do it too, =P
[14:20] <J-_> don't know =)
[14:20] <Wobbo> what are the system specs on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=g-s-m-alpha6.png
[14:20] <Sami88> dual quad core?
[14:21] <Sami88> Is there such a thing?
[14:21] <flipstar> rather 2x quad
[14:22] <savvas> and only 2.5gb memory, that's a shame :P
[14:22] <Sami88> Sorry, thats what I meant.
[14:22] <darx> true hdr needs 16 bit or more per channel methink
[14:22] <Sami88> !tab
[14:22] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[14:22] <insomninja> well it could be a server
[14:22] <insomninja> or just overkill ;)
[14:22] <Sami88> lol
[14:23] <darx> i don't know if gimp does that. but most hdr are tone mapped into a pretty narrow field.
[14:23] <darx> it appears nice thats about it
[14:24] <Sami88> Does gimp have downloadable filters?
[14:25] <NeuroStuMIT> Does anybody here know the estimated Hardy Heron release date?
[14:25] <Sami88> looks like it http://registry.gimp.org/list_content
[14:25] <savvas> !hardy
[14:25] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:26] <savvas> NeuroStuMIT: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[14:26] <NeuroStuMIT> Thanks!
[14:28] <Lunks> Hibernation is not working on me, can anyone help? I've got an HP laptop.
[14:29] <Leerok> Lower your body temperature to 5 C.
[14:29] <savvas> hehehe
[14:29] <Lunks> lol
[14:29] <Lunks> for me
[14:30] <savvas> actually, you can't do that, our body is homothermic
[14:30] <Lunks> Gotta pay more attention on how I'm writing... too much time without English lessons. :P
[14:30] <Leerok> If a body can suffer from hypothermia, its temperature can be lowered.
[14:30] <savvas> Lunks: have you tried with uwsusp ?
[14:30] <Lunks> I haven't tried anything per say.
[14:30] <Lunks> Just Hibernate button.
[14:31] <Sami88> Whats the difference between Hibernate and Sleep?
[14:31] <savvas> sorry http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp
[14:31] <savvas> swsusp :)
[14:31] <Sami88> err Suspend*
[14:31] <arvindenriq> i have prob in gutsy ,if i install hardy will the prob be solved?
[14:31] <Lunks> Sami88: suspend is just a low-power state
[14:31] <arvindenriq> alpha 6?
[14:31] <savvas> or http://suspend.sourceforge.net/ - uswsusp
[14:32] <Sami88> Lunks: Thanks
[14:32] <darx> suspend to ram, suspend to disk.
[14:32] <darx> sleep, hibernate respectively
[14:32] <Lunks> Sami88: hibernate you can remove your battery and it will work after. ;P
[14:33] <Sami88> Oh, Awesome!
[14:33] <darx> arvindenriq: what problem?
[14:34] <arvindenriq> cant right click on desktop and no icons on desktop.
[14:34] <Lunks> savvas: how to use it with ubuntu? and btw, suspend is working
[14:35] <savvas> Lunks: suspend.sf.net has an introduction page, and the man uswsusp has enough info to help you
[14:35] <savvas> i don't guarantee it'll work though :P
[14:35] <Lunks> savvas: I'd like to do it 'ubuntu' way
[14:35] <NeuroStuMIT> will FF3 ship with HH?
[14:35] <savvas> hey how do we view the manually installed packages? the ones that aren't marked auto
[14:36] <Leerok> apt-get install <package name>
[14:36] <savvas> Lunks: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com then, I expect a good suggestion about hibernation :)
[14:36] <darx> arvindenriq: open the terminal, and type killall nautilus and hit enter see if it works now
[14:37] <cccharles> is nvidia-glx-new broken right now?
[14:38] <savvas> cccharles: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new | grep "Installed\|Candidate"
[14:38] <arvindenriq> it says no process killed
[14:38] <darx> are you sure you spelled it correctly?
[14:39] <darx> "killall nautilus"
[14:39] <savvas> arvindenriq: run it in terminal: nautilus ,then hit ctrl-c
[14:39] <cccharles> savvas: thanks, but I'm more wondering if the package itself is known to be broken.
[14:40] <savvas> cccharles: i can't help you if i don't know the version you're using
[14:40] <savvas>   Installed: 169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31
[14:40] <savvas>   Candidate: 169.12+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31
[14:40] <savvas> this one works for me
[14:40] <arvindenriq> yes i did it but no effect
[14:40] <darx> ps -A | grep nautilus
[14:41] <Bashtoni> I know it's not the 'official' virtualisation technology for hardy, but is Xen going to be supported in hardy?
[14:41] <cccharles> savvas: now I gotcha. unfortunately, my nvidia box is at home, and I'm currently at work. Maybe I'll bring it in tomorrow (it's a laptop).
[14:41] <Bashtoni> At the moment it's completely broken :(
[14:41] <arvindenriq> darx Then
[14:42] <darx> arvindenriq: what does the last command output?
[14:42] <savvas> cccharles: what's wrong with it? :)
[14:42] <Leerok> The last ten lines of the file.
[14:42] <darx> arvindenriq: what did it say?
[14:42] <arvindenriq> no msgs
[14:42] <savvas> how come i'm the only one that has an nvidia working graphics card? :P
[14:43] <catweazle> savvas: me too :)
[14:43] <cccharles> savvas: the package installs fine, but doesn't show up in jockey-*. that's not a huge problem, since I'm pretty good at editing xorg confs (I used to be a Gentoo guy). but even manually editing the xorg.conf, the X server fails to start. I'm finding the bulletproof X stuff quite annoying--ideally I'd like it to just die nicely :-).
[14:43] <darx> arvindenriq: that means that the process which is supposed to display icons and stuff (nautilus) is not running.
[14:43] <arvindenriq> k
[14:44] <arvindenriq> how to solve it?
[14:44] <darx> type "nautilus" and hit enter see what it does
[14:44] <cccharles> savvas: I don't recall the exact X.org errors right now. do you know of a way to disable bulletproof X temporarily?
[14:44] <Lunks> savvas: do you use uswsusp?
[14:44] <darx> arvindenriq: type "nautilus" without the quotes that is
[14:44] <arvindenriq> this is shown:nautilus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libeel-2.so.2: undefined symbol: gnome_bg_new
[14:44] <savvas> no Lunks, a friend of mine does why?
[14:45] <Lunks> savvas: I've got a question about a configuration step: "The device node through which uswsusp can talk to the kernel"
[14:46] <darx> arvindenriq: I think you'll have to reinstall nautilus. I'm not sure though. You can try "sudo aptitude reinstall nautilus"
[14:46] <arvindenriq> i ll try that later
[14:46] <savvas> cccharles: I don't know how to disable it.. but try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to load in the default vesa-driver settings, then configure your graphics card from the system > administration > screens and graphics window
[14:46] <savvas> cccharles: which graphics card are you using?
[14:47] <cccharles> savvas: thanks for the tip, I'll try that tonight. it's a 7400 Go.
[14:48] <savvas> cccharles: ok, just checking if you have the right driver pack :)
[14:49] <cccharles> savvas: It worked beautifully on Gutsy. 1280x800, plus 1024x768 over the VGA or S-Video. Compiz was smooth, everything was perfect :-). But, then again, I like the unpredictability of running alpha software. Gives me something to do :-).
[14:49] <savvas> Lunks: no idea, sorry, i just know it works in some cases :)
[14:50] <Lunks> savvas: ok =P
[14:50] <savvas> cccharles: you should've been here a week ago when there was a problem with the glibc/libc6 :P
[14:51] <Sami88> Lucky guys with your Nvidia and ATI... I have an intel g965...
[14:51] <Lunks> savvas: I'll try some stuff here. :)
[14:51] <cccharles> savvas: I wasn't in this channel, but I was dealing with it :-). w00t chroot!
[14:52] <savvas> aye heheh
[14:53] <savvas> i was feeling like a cripple for a couple of hours
[14:53] <savvas> (no offense to anyone)
[14:55] <Leerok> I wonder, is there a way to open .docx in Linux besides unzipping and stripping tags?
[14:56] <Sami88> I'm pretty sure OpenOffice has a plugin/extension for it.
[14:56] <KrimZon> when i click the gnome clock panel applet it freezes the whole of gnome
[14:56] <hydrogen> novel released a docx to useful converter I think..
[14:56] <Leerok> Hmm.
[14:57]  * Leerok seeks.
[14:57] <KrimZon> i have about 3 extra timezone clocks in it under the calendar
[14:57] <hydrogen> which of course depends on mono
[14:57] <hydrogen> because mono is definatly the best thing since sliced bread
[14:57] <hydrogen> and everything should be rewritten in it
[14:57] <hydrogen> I heard they were rewriting the kernel in mono
[14:59] <KrimZon> but i have to go out anyway... bbl
[15:00] <savvas> Leerok: http://www.sigmundvoid.com/?p=81 - might work
[15:01] <DanaG> Oh hey, something new:
[15:01] <DanaG> Even rss-glx screensaver Flux can cause my hard lockup.
[15:04] <savvas> pfff... great, microsoft has a converter for mac, but not for gnu/linux :P
[15:04] <Sami88> cest la vie.
[15:04] <Lamego> Leerok, there is an odf converter
[15:04] <Lamego> Leerok, http://katana.oooninja.com/w/odf-converter-integrator
[15:07] <Sami88> My gnome-do is acting funny.
[15:07] <Sami88> oops.
[15:07] <Sami88> spoke too soon.
[15:08] <h3sp4wn> I still get evolution-data-server taking a full cpu at 100%
[15:08] <h3sp4wn> (pretty often)
[15:09] <savvas> how do we view the manually installed packages? the ones that aren't marked auto?
[15:10] <h3sp4wn> ! is not
[15:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is not - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:11] <savvas> hm?
[15:11] <DanaG> ¡exclamation point!
[15:13] <h3sp4wn> aptitude search \~i~n\!~M
[15:14] <savvas> wow, so many :)
[15:15] <h3sp4wn> installed and not manually installed
[15:15] <h3sp4wn> s/manually/automatically
[15:15] <savvas> ah ok
[15:15] <savvas> ty sir :)
[15:16] <h3sp4wn> aptitude search '~i~n!~M'
[15:16] <h3sp4wn> that looks maybe nicer but I just always use \
[15:18] <Johan-_> is there some easy way to free up space on /? Ive already done "apt-get clean"
[15:19] <hydrogen> you need to know whats taking up the space first.
[15:19] <hydrogen> check out filelight for showing you that
[15:20] <savvas> Johan-_: your packages? use synaptic to remove some installed packages that you don't need
[15:21] <Johan-_> don't think I have that many packages :)
[15:21] <Johan-_> but checking filelight out
[15:22] <dwidmann> Ack! This is maddening! My keyboards up key is acting like printscreen.........
[15:23] <savvas> dwidmann: maybe someone tampered with system > preferences > keyboard shortcuts
[15:24] <Johan-_> or is it reasonable for / to take up almost 7GB? Having gnome and xfce installed along with the basic stuff from ubuntu-desktop. Not counting /home
[15:24] <dwidmann> savvas, not likely, I'm the only person who uses this computer
[15:24] <dwidmann> xev reports that it's print ..... my laptop keyboard is behaving normally though, very strange
[15:26] <dwidmann> Johan, I'd check your /var/cache/apt/archives ..... that can eat a lot of space
[15:26] <savvas> KeyRelease event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x3a00001, root 0x1a6, subw 0x0, time 84454785, (-277,202), root:(397,253), state 0x10, keycode 98 (keysym 0xff52, Up), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False
[15:28] <savvas> dwidmann: try it on some other operating system, check if the keyboard is actually working :)
[15:28] <dwidmann> savvas, it worked this morning ..... maybe the evdev driver is having issues in hardy?
[15:28] <savvas> similar to that happened to me once, the problem was that the cable wasn't attached correctly heh :P
[15:29] <dwidmann> or maybe kde 3.5.9 isn't liking it ... doubtful, but hard to tell
[15:30] <tomasko> hi. just started to play with hardy. quick question: why is opera kept at 9.25 while firefox went up to firefox 3 beta?
[15:30] <tomasko> opera 9.5 has a nifty full history search feature that's somewhat like the firefox 3 beta feature (though, imho, the opera version is better [though, with a large enough history, it comes with more lag])
[15:31] <Johan-_>  /usr takes up 4GB, /usr/lib/ 2GB and /usr/share/ 1GB. Can I remove anything there?
[15:32] <tomasko> dabble with /usr/share first, then /usr/, then /usr/lib
[15:32] <Johan-_> or is it easier to use gparted to resize it?
[15:32] <savvas> tomasko: opera isn't even included in my repositories
[15:32] <tomasko> savvas: oh, right, hmm. i wonder why the canonical repositories don't yield 9.5 then
[15:32] <dwidmann> savvas: you can't get opera 9.5 through the repos, you'd have to get it from labs.opera.com IIRC
[15:33] <tomasko> so what's keeping it out of canonical / ubuntu repositories?
[15:33] <savvas> Johan-_: my / is 3.7 gb, without /home :)
[15:33]  * tomasko has a bad habit of typing suppos^H^H^H^H^H^Hrepositories
[15:33] <dwidmann> tomasko: license
[15:33] <tomasko> dwidmann: 9.25 is allowed, what changed with 9.5?
[15:34] <dwidmann> come to think of it ..... it is, in the partner repo
[15:34] <dwidmann> Though, 9.5 isn't out yet
[15:34] <dwidmann> and I don't think there's a specific timeline of when it will be released either.
[15:35] <tomasko> dwidmann: i think it's supposed to be late 2008, early 2009, but even still, why is firefox's beta allowed but 9.5's not?
[15:36] <tomasko> 9.5 beta 1 is out
[15:36] <Stormx2> Hey
[15:36] <savvas> tomasko: plus, opera doesn't have 64-bit, right?
[15:36] <tomasko> hi
[15:36] <tomasko> savvas: so?
[15:36] <dwidmann> savvas: it does, as of opera 9.5
[15:36] <tomasko> savvas: i don't know if it does or doesn't, but even if it didn't, so what?
[15:36] <Stormx2> Sorry I left earlier without checking to see if I had an answer. My -generic kernel won't boot, gets stuck on "loading, please wait..."
[15:36] <savvas> well i have 64-bit, i can't install it
[15:36] <tomasko> savvas: why would that exclude it from the repositories?
[15:36] <tomasko> okay..
[15:36] <dwidmann> savvas.
[15:36] <savvas> i didn't say that that is the reason :P
[15:37] <dwidmann> you have to get it from their ftp .... it's buried somewhere, but it's there
[15:37] <savvas> ask mark, how am i supposed to know :)
[15:37] <dwidmann> savvas: and to install the 32-bit one you would need to sudo dpkg --force-architecture install opera*.deb it.
[15:37] <dwidmann> and it would work fine
[15:37] <savvas> dwidmann: i know, but i want 64-bit :P
[15:37] <tomasko> savvas: mark as in marko?
[15:38] <savvas> tomasko: I meant mark shuttleworth :) and your suggestion could be here already: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[15:38] <dwidmann> savvas: I forget where it's buried, but google for +case_f +opera and you'll find what you're looking for
[15:38] <savvas> thanks dwidmann ;)
[15:39] <dwidmann> tomasko:  doesn't matter much to me .... I stopped using opera 9.5b after my bookmarks&config got nuked the third time.
[15:40] <tomasko> dwidmann: how did that happen? it's never happend to me before
[15:40] <tomasko> also, imho, the theme for hardy is less tasteful than for gutsy
[15:40] <dwidmann> tomasko: If I knew, it wouldn't have happened the second and third times
[15:40] <savvas> http://ftp.tiscali.nl/opera/linux/950b/final/en/x86_64/opera_9.50-20071024.2-shared-qt_amd64.deb
[15:40] <tomasko> dwidmann: oh well, the problem i remember reading about was that some people used 9.25 and 9.5 together with the same profile
[15:40] <savvas> found it hehe
[15:41] <dwidmann> tomasko: I'm somewhat guilty of that, though, I uninstalled 9.2x before installing 9.5
[15:41] <dwidmann> tomasko: used the same profile though
[15:42] <savvas> hm
[15:42] <dwidmann> Can someone paste/pm me a "regular"/"default" keyboard section (that doens't involve evdev)?
[15:43] <savvas> http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?custom=yes <- they don't even include it in the architectures
[15:44] <dwidmann> savvas ... yeah, they buried it pretty good
[15:47] <Stormx2> Okay. I need some help seeing what the problem is with my kernel. I have 3 versions available in GRUB, a -386 and two -generics. The on -386 my sound doesn't work. the newer -generic doesn't boot at all (get stuck on Loading, please wait) and the older can't detect my video card and won't let me get resolutions above 800x600. Any ideas on a fix?
[15:47] <Stormx2> I just want a working version.
[15:48] <savvas> Stormx2: it could help if you provided the versions of the kernel images
[15:48] <Stormx2> One moment.
[15:50] <Stormx2> 2.6.22-14-generic (bad video) 2.6.24-12-generic (won't boot) and 2.6.24-12-386 (no sound)
[15:50] <tomasko> wow. does it work with a livecd at least?
[15:50] <savvas> you're using grub boot menu to switch from one to the other?
[15:51] <Stormx2> I don't know, I haven't got a hardy live cd.
[15:51] <Stormx2> I upgraded.
[15:51] <savvas> ouch
[15:51] <Stormx2> savvas, yeah.
[15:51] <savvas> Stormx2: how about the recovery option?
[15:51] <Stormx2> recovery mode works for all but the -12-generic
[15:52] <savvas> jolly good, you're on the machine right now
[15:52] <savvas> ?
[15:52] <Stormx2> Yeah. Under 22-14-generic
[15:53] <Stormx2> Dr_Willis recommended I use -generic to fix my sound problems, so I'd like to focus on getting .24-12-generic working, even though it's the one which works least at the moment
[15:54] <savvas> Stormx2: apt-cache policy linux-generic
[15:54] <Stormx2> Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.13
[15:54] <savvas> paste it in http://pastebin.ca
[15:54] <Stormx2> K.
[15:54] <savvas> i need the whole bit
[15:55] <Stormx2> savvas, http://pastebin.ca/949041
[15:55] <savvas> which graphics card by the way? :)
[15:55] <Stormx2> Uhg
[15:55] <Stormx2> I can't remember the exact name
[15:55] <Stormx2> I use the nvidia-legacy driver normally.
[15:56] <savvas> model of your nvidia card?
[15:56] <Stormx2> It's like a nvidia RIVA TNT2
[15:56] <Stormx2> or something.
[15:56] <Stormx2> video[nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] @ Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-760 [IGD4-1P] System Controller]
[15:56] <Stormx2> There we go.
[15:57] <savvas> ok the driver is correct, your archive mirror is a great choice.. hm..
[15:57] <savvas> apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[15:57] <savvas> just the installed part
[15:58] <Stormx2> Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>-12.31
[15:58] <Stormx2> remember that that one is the one which won't boot at all
[15:59] <Stormx2> Actually I might quickly go and fiddle with grub a bit, see if I can't find out what's going wrong
[15:59] <Stormx2> Be back in a jiffy.
[15:59] <savvas> upload your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file at pastebin.ca - let's have a look at that
[15:59] <savvas> meh
[16:01] <savvas> well i'll have to go now, i bet it's his xorg.conf
[16:05] <savvas> Someone tell Stormx2 when he's back to keep a backup of his /etc/X11/xorg.onf and to substitute it with this one: http://pastebin.ca/raw/945227 - then to reboot to the 24-12 kernel, and go to system > administration > screens and graphics to configure monitor and driver
[16:09] <Stormx2> Hey back. For some reason recovery mode worked this time on the non-booting generic.
[16:09] <Stormx2> It hands on "Waiting for root filesystem ... ..."
[16:10] <ConstyXIV> anyone in here running hardy on something with an atheros 5007-based wifi (like the Eee)?
[16:11] <Johan-_> Stormx2:
[16:11] <Johan-_> Someone tell Stormx2 when he's back to keep a backup of his /etc/X11/xorg.onf and to substitute it with this one: http://pastebin.ca/raw/945227 - then to reboot to the 24-12 kernel, and go to system > administration > screens and graphics to configure monitor and driver
[16:11] <Johan-_> from savvas
[16:12] <Johan-_> Stormx2: "< savvas> well i'll have to go now, i bet it's his xorg.conf"
[16:12] <Stormx2> Tbh I'm not worries about that kernel version
[16:12] <Stormx2> I'm more interested in getting the more recent -generic to boot
[16:15] <ConstyXIV> anyone have any insight on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/197177 ?
[16:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197177 in network-manager "[atheros] Wireless stops working after sleep (wubi-hardy-alpha5)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:17] <e\ectro_> with regards to the libc6 issue, how can I resolve this to update my machine?
[16:17] <e\ectro_> libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-9ubuntu1) but 2.7-5ubuntu2 is to be installed
[16:19] <kim_> Consty: I am, used this http://www.linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=10470&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=atheros to get it running, don't know about sleep though...
[16:24] <ConstyXIV> yeah, i've got the drivers installed, but they break completely upon suspend
[16:28] <ConstyXIV> when i try to rmmod the ath_pci for the 5007, i get a segmentation fault, and everything goes downhill from there
[16:29] <e\ectro_> is libc6 2.7-9 fixde?
[16:29] <e\ectro_> fixed?
[16:30] <jin> what tool do you install to get more compiz configurations?
[16:35] <tomasko> so it's nice that apparmour is in hardy and all, but how do i actually use it? do i need to fiddle with it at all?
[16:41] <KrimZon> gnome panel clock applet crashed even without any locations in it
[16:41] <KrimZon> well... not crashed but frozen the whole of gnome
[16:41] <Dragon2> How can i install ubuntu from iso?
[16:41] <KrimZon> as in the panels - alt-tab still works
[16:42] <KrimZon> so do ctrl-alt-left and ctrl-alt right, so presumably just the panels
[16:42] <KrimZon> they also don't reappear until i reboot - ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't fix that
[16:43] <KrimZon> no idea where to look for new information though - gonna reboot anyway
[16:56] <KrimZon> i dont know what time it is
[16:57] <KrimZon> oh... its in the timestamps
[16:57] <KrimZon> so much for being melodramatic
[16:57] <lufis> what should I do if I change my screen resolution and xorg henceforth is broken? In hardy, xorg pretty much ignores xorg.conf, so sudo dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work anymore. What to do, besides completely reinstalling?
[16:58] <ConstyXIV> i thought x had some sort of "bullet-proof" safe mode.  that isin't coming up?
[16:59] <lufis> um, apparently not... i sat with a black screen for about 3 hours last night ;)
[16:59] <lufis> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't do anything
[17:00] <lufis> i finally broke down and just reinstalled
[17:01] <lufis> xorg.conf apparently has nothing about video drivers in it anymore
[17:02] <lufis> and short of that, i have no idea how to fix it
[17:02] <lufis> (not that it's an issue anymore, but just for future reference)
[17:04] <dwidmann> lufis, that really doesn't do anything any more? Ouch. ....... I wonder if there's an equivalent somewhere
[17:04] <lufis> it didn't for me
[17:04] <lufis> I even copied all of the contents of /etc/X11 from the livecd system to the local one, just to make sure i was running cleanly, and nothing
[17:10] <steph__> hi everybody. If I have a alpha 4 image, wich I have installed, then upgraded, will it be the same as alpha 6?
[17:11] <dwidmann> steph__: pretty much
[17:13] <romulo> hi there
[17:14] <romulo> there is some guide on how to get ati fglrx 8.47.3 to work with hardy ?
[17:14] <steph__> dwidmann: not the desktop setup (desktop, gdm, blablabla), but the packages (ltsp, kernel, blablabla)
[17:15] <dwidmann> steph__: yes, the packages, right down to the version. Granted, you should probably do a dist-upgrade, maybe.
[17:16] <Pici> !final | steph__
[17:16] <ubotu> steph__: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[17:19] <steph__> thanks
[17:19] <steph__> would it be the same for the final release?
[17:19] <dwidmann> steph__: yes
[17:19] <steph__> in april?
[17:19] <steph__> ok
[17:19] <steph__> thanks
[17:28] <steph__> If I don't want to use restricted modules for video card, wich one do I have to install (except ATI and NVIDIA, is there something else ;)
[17:30] <dwidmann> steph__: which card?
[17:31] <steph__> Well, I have to build a server for school, and I don't know wich card to buy. I would like to buy one who has respect for linux'users
[17:31] <steph__> *who has drivers ;)
[17:32] <steph__> Does it exist :|
[17:34] <romulo> intel?
[17:35] <dwidmann> steph__: integrated intel (like x3100 or better) would be pretty linux friendly, ootb, no restricted drivers needed.
[17:35] <LibertyShadow> My sound is really wacky.
[17:35] <steph__> what about 3d acceleration?
[17:35] <dwidmann> steph__: 3d accel is decent on it
[17:35] <romulo> yeah
[17:35] <romulo> you arent getting advanced pixel shaders but it works fine
[17:35] <Amaranth> you can't buy an intel card though
[17:35] <dwidmann> steph__: I woudln't count on it for playing the latest games, but it'll work fine
[17:36] <Amaranth> it has to be on the mobo
[17:36] <dwidmann> Amaranth: which is why I said integrated :P
[17:36] <Amaranth> which means you have to use intel processors
[17:36] <romulo> yeah, but you can get nice fps on not so old games :D
[17:36] <Amaranth> and an intel chipset
[17:36] <dwidmann> Amaranth: what's wrong with intel procs?
[17:36] <Amaranth> nothing, i love them
[17:36] <dwidmann> Amaranth: and intel chipsets?
[17:36] <Amaranth> but some people are weird
[17:36] <romulo> i like em too
[17:37] <dwidmann> Granted, I like AMD too .... but performance-wise they've got a while until they catch up with the "Core" Cpus ....
[17:37] <steph__> Ok for the video card. Now the motherboard/cpu. I saw that hardy will not support kvm (who needs special features in the cpu). Can you help. I will build a server for 15 thin clients (LTSP).
[17:38] <steph__> Is there something that I have to care of , or all new cpu...
[17:38] <steph__> has those instruction's set
[17:38] <romulo> get the q6600 :D
[17:39] <LibertyShadow> Does anyone have an idea as to why my system sounds stop working after I log in?
[17:39] <dwidmann> romulo: sounds expensive ........... I want one :D
[17:39] <fromport> hardy NOT support kvm ? you're not reading it right: look again at the announcements
[17:39] <LibertyShadow> (in hardy a6)
[17:40] <dwidmann> LibertyShadow: probably some sort of esd issue, maybe
[17:40] <steph__> sorry. I tried to say will support
[17:40] <fromport> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha6 : KVM is now officially maintained within the Ubuntu kerne
[17:40] <romulo> dwidmann, im getting one in one month
[17:40] <romulo> my friend has one and he said its awesome
[17:40] <steph__> *steph_ try really hard to speak/write in english
[17:41] <romulo> btw, anyone is running fglrx with hardy from repo?
[17:41] <LibertyShadow> dwidmann: Its crazy because the beats sound fine, but the Startup sound fails... and the testing fails as well
[17:42] <fromport> yep: i'm running fglrx, with compiz on my ati radeon 9600 : works perfect
[17:42] <romulo> hmm i installed fglrx here and its not running, i dunno why....custom instalation though....whats your version? 8.47.3?
[17:42] <dwidmann> LibertyShadow: search UF, I know I've seen that one on there before
[17:42] <LibertyShadow> dwidmann, it was working until I started trying to get suspend going :(
[17:42] <LibertyShadow> dwidmann, thanks
[17:43] <steph__> To be *more* clear, does all the new cpu will support kvm? (is it eally clear :| )
[17:43] <fromport> ii  xorg-driver-fglrx                          1:7.1.0-8-3+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.31    Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[17:43] <romulo> fromport, you are using the one from ubuntu right?
[17:43] <dwidmann> romulo,fromport: ati cards ..... poor guys :(
[17:43] <fromport> steph: yes: all newer one does exept celeron (likes) probably
[17:44] <steph__> and does the motherboard makes any differnces
[17:44] <fromport> [food]
[17:45] <romulo> fromport, will try to use the ubuntu one instead of custom ;)
[17:46] <LibertyShadow> dwidman: I try to install esound and it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop O.o
[17:52] <dwidmann> LibertyShadow: fun fun
[17:54] <LibertyShadow> another fun thing is when I use the sleep command it works, but when I press the suspend button it doesnt :(
[17:56] <fromport> romulo: when i tried the ati-driver-installer-8-3-x86.x86_64.run i end up with a all white screen with only a mouse outline that moves...
[17:56] <fromport> hmm he's gone allready ;-)
[17:57] <dwidmann> fromport: you might need to kill X and run that from a virtual terminal
[17:58] <fromport> i've got that after a fresh boot, and the text-console are "stripes" so i cant use it (only over the ethernet)
[18:02] <hackeron> hey, can someone please tell me how to record from the right channel of line-in from the command line? - I tried arecord -c1 but that only records the left channel - I need the right one only :(
[18:02] <dwidmann> fromport: wow, that sucks ...............
[18:04] <dwidmann> hackeron: what if you use --seperate-channels and only keep the one you want
[18:05] <hackeron> dwidmann: I have 2 different microphones I want to be able to open from different processes so I only want to open 1 channel
[18:06] <naranha> is there an easy way to give a user all authorizations in hardy? do I have to add it to a certain group?
[18:08] <hackeron> naranha: add the user to the suduers file in /etc/?
[18:09] <taupter_nb_> Hello. Hardy doesn't create /dev/input/mice here. Somebody could help me?
[18:10] <tomasko> edit udev rules
[18:10] <naranha> hackeron: the user is in the admin group which is in sudoers
[18:11] <taupter_nb_> tomasko: Could you please guide me through it?
[18:11] <naranha> another strange thing: when i run users-admin as root, I can't modify anything. seems even root is not allowed to do everything
[18:14] <fromport> dwidmann: adduser [username] admin
[18:14] <dwidmann> fromport: hmmm?
[18:15] <taupter_nb_> tomasko: Strange. /etc/udev/rules.d/20-names.rules , line 29, already contains KERNEL=="mice",                         NAME="input/%k"
[18:15] <fromport> than the user can use /do sudo and is capable of doing *anything* ;-)
[18:16] <naranha> fromport: was that an answer for my question?
[18:16] <taupter_nb_> tomasko: just like it is in 7.10
[18:17] <jimmygoon> Yay. my most annoying bugs got fixed. hopefully I can switch to tty's without a crash and I'll be ecstatic!
[18:18] <dwidmann> jimmygoon: life without ttys must be hard
[18:21] <jimmygoon> dwidmann, well. Its not every time
[18:29] <LibertyShadow> Woot, I finally got suspend going
[18:31] <taupter_nb_> Still no luck with my mouse.
[18:33] <jimmygoon> What time will the beta be out tomorrow?
[18:33] <spideylinux> is it going from Alpha 6 to Beta 1 tomorrow?
[18:34] <yuriy> hmm an n-m upgrade broke my network connection
[18:34] <jimmygoon> spideylinux, according to the schedule it should be
[18:34] <yuriy> i bet restarting would help, but i really don't want to
[18:35] <jimmygoon> Would it be awful for "Human" theme to include  a background for gnome-apenl?
[18:36] <jimmygoon> too late. artwork deadlines was last wednesday
[18:41] <jimmygoon> my firefox looks nothing like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fx3alpha6.png
[18:41] <Stormx2> I can not get ubuntu to remember to use the british keyboard layout
[18:41] <Stormx2> Every time I want to use it I need to go to Keyboard Preferences > Layouts. Remove the current layout, even if it's already British English, then re-add it.
[18:42] <m1r> hello
[18:42] <m1r> beta 1 coming out tomorow ?
[18:42] <kumarphilly> yep!
[18:42] <kumarphilly> i think
[18:42] <m1r> i heard but not sure
[18:43] <m1r> !ops beta1 release time ? :)
[18:44] <Stormx2> m1r: Err.
[18:44] <Stormx2> That's asking for a kick
[18:44] <m1r> srys :)
[18:44] <m1r> stormx2 , do you know when beta 1 is out ?
[18:45] <jpatrick> m1r: many of us ops have !---ops on hilight
[18:45] <m1r> i dont see :/
[18:45] <Stormx2> m1r, just check the release scedual in the wiki
[18:45] <m1r> srys for joke
[18:45] <Stormx2> !schedule
[18:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[18:45] <m1r> ok many tnx Stormx2
[18:46] <irelinquish> stormx2, you little waffler you
[18:50] <asdrubal> when do you guys think alsa problems will be fixed?
[18:50] <asdrubal> I can't use my tv card
[18:50] <asdrubal> cx88-alsa.ko won't load... and now it doesn't even exist in ubuntu-modules package.
[18:50] <PriceChild> !ops > m1r
[18:50] <PriceChild> m1r: read that factoid in the pm with ubotu.
[18:51] <PriceChild> m1r: what does it say? (besides pinging a whole lot of ops?)
[18:51] <finfin82> hi how do I get german local for ff3 installed?
[18:51] <m1r> PriceChiled , tnx , i learned lesson
[18:51] <finfin82> in synaptic I only see the locale for ff2
[18:52] <TheInfinity> finfin82: moz website
[18:52] <irelinquish> its still in beta, they might not have it
[18:52] <TheInfinity> until now
[18:52] <finfin82> k
[18:52] <finfin82> ;-) I don't remember, but I think I already got it for windows
[18:52] <PriceChild> m1r: When the beta is released, there will be a mail sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and an op will change topic etc.
[18:52] <finfin82> I will have a look
[18:53] <m1r> ok many tnx  pricechild
[18:55] <dholbert> PriceChild: Is that happening today?
[18:56] <PriceChild> dholbert: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule indicates that it is scheduled some time tomorrow. It will be released when it is released.
[18:56] <dholbert> PriceChild: Kthanks
[18:57] <finfin82> is there a way to build .deb packages from tar.gz?
[18:57] <m1r> has anyone tested any MFPrinters on 8.04 ?
[18:57] <dholbert> finfin82: Usually, you do this:  extract the .tar.gz, run "./configure", and then run checkinstall
[18:58] <finfin82> this will build an deb-package?
[18:58] <dholbert> finfin82: yes, usually
[18:58] <finfin82> thanks;-)
[18:58] <dholbert> finfin82: it basically makes the package think it's installing, and captures it all in a .deb
[18:58] <dholbert> finfin82:  which ends up in the current directory
[18:59] <dholbert> finfin82: It'll try to install the deb for you, too (but that part will fail unless your root. (but that's ok))
[18:59] <dholbert> s/your/you're
[19:00] <finfin82> kay, ;-)
[19:07] <jimmygoon> checkinstall builds  a deb :D
[19:07] <jimmygoon> I didn't know that
[19:08] <finfin82> its cause I don't like manually installed stuff flying around
[19:08] <crdlb> it's also pure evil :(
[19:08] <finfin82> checkinstall also builds rpms ..... seems to depend on your default package-format
[19:09] <finfin82> I guess on suse it will build rpms?
[19:09] <jimmygoon> crdlb, why is it evil :(
[19:10] <finfin82> ahh there is an option to tell checkinstall which package-architecture to use
[19:13] <Stormx2> irelinquish: Nice to see you here ;D
[19:14] <irelinquish> Ha, i bump into you in all the cool places
[19:14] <irelinquish> have you tried xbmc for linux yet?
[19:15] <Stormx2> yep
[19:15] <Stormx2> I have actually
[19:15] <Stormx2> I put it on my xbox a couple of months back
[19:15] <irelinquish> its amazing, i can't wait to get a better pc to use
[19:15] <jimmygoon> is xbmc for linux out? like even a dev version?
[19:15] <jimmygoon> I use it on the xbox and its pure bliss
[19:16] <irelinquish> yeah, its in beta
[19:16] <irelinquish> well dev
[19:16] <Stormx2> i haven't used it
[19:16] <Stormx2> haven't had the need
[19:16] <jimmygoon> whats going on between xbmc for windows and MediaPortal
[19:16] <jimmygoon> my understanding was MediaPortal was a spinoff of XBMC and/or included some of the devs
[19:16] <irelinquish> you have to build xbmc from source and intall it, but its really easy
[19:16] <irelinquish> umm the guy that thought of xbmc moved on to media portal
[19:17] <irelinquish> xbmc will eventually be ported to windows/osx/linux fully
[19:27] <danage> yeeeha... network manager fixed atheros today!!!
[19:34] <b47619> I can only start gnome in a failsafe gnome session. can you think of a possible cause? I am using ubuntu 80.4 alpha 6 I start a normal session and it evetually goes back to the login page
[19:35] <twinkie_adict> seems after an up grade my sound stoped working . whats the best way to fix it ? reinstalling asla-utils ?
[19:36] <fromport> b47619: look in your homedir (on text console) in the .xsession-errors file
[19:36] <flipstar> b47619: or try reinstalling graphic driver
[19:36] <b47619> I never installed a graphicsa driver and graphics driver caused errors
[19:38] <b47619> what is the command to check the log
[19:38] <b47619> ?
[19:39] <fromport> less [filename]
[19:41] <fromport> b47619: if you have a video-driver issue you will probably find it in : /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:42] <b47619> i noticed this: ** (nautilus:7227): WARNING **: Unable to add monitor: Not supported
[19:42] <b47619> gnome-screensaver: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
[19:43] <b47619> ** (gnome-settings-daemon:7192): WARNING **: Error opening directory '/etc/gnome/config': No such file or directory
[19:43] <twinkie_adict> i get this error after upgradeing to Hardy " No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found"
[19:44] <twinkie_adict> i have All the plugins installed
[19:45] <jester7> anyone here happen to be running hardy on an inspiron 1525?
[19:45] <irelinquish> i ran in on a 1501, whats up?
[19:46] <irelinquish> it*
[19:46] <jester7> i dont' think they are that close.  the 1525 is the one that dell sells with ubuntu on it.
[19:46] <b47619> what do those errors sound like?
[19:46] <irelinquish> i know but what is your problem?