[06:06] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, what about a qtwebkit-opensource-src sync now?
[06:11] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, what is the plan for unity integration? e.g. I would sync geary from Debian, the delta was about libunity-dev and libmessaging-menu-dev
[06:11] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, ^^^
[06:52] <sladen> madigens<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:48] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg, one thing that concerns me in new webkit is https://github.com/annulen/webkit/issues/573
[10:48] <mitya57> Or do you mean sync from unstable? If yes then it is mostly equal to the current upload, so I don’t see the point.
[10:54] <juliank> mitya57: I guess the point is: The diff is not needed anymore, so let's sync it.
[10:55] <juliank> So people like minimizing diffs *a lot*
[10:56] <LocutusOfBorg> exactly
[10:57] <mitya57> Ok, feel free to sync it then :)
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> drop diff autosync FTW
[10:59] <mitya57> For Qt autosyncs are bad because upgrades such as 5.9.1 → 5.9.2 need to be done through a transition, synced versions without rdeps rebuild will just get stuck in -proposed.
[11:05] <LocutusOfBorg> rbalint, thanks! sponsored
[11:08] <LocutusOfBorg> >For Qt autosyncs are bad because upgrades such as 5.9.1 → 5.9.2 need to be done through a transition, synced versions without rdeps rebuild will just get stuck in -proposed.
[11:08] <LocutusOfBorg> this is how transitions work usually
[11:08] <LocutusOfBorg> we can even ask to blacklist qt autosyncs and then use silo to transition
[11:08] <LocutusOfBorg> but having a delta just to avoid autosyncs is worse than having them blacklisted :)
[11:55] <atkinchris> Has anyone experimented with offering read-only mounts of snapshots/persistent with Casper, much like live-boot's "persistence-read-only"?
[13:02] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I think our general thinking for 17.10 is that we shouldn't rip out Unity integration without a good reason (like if it's too much work to update a patch)
[13:20] <jbicha> if you disagree, you're welcome to start a conversation on the mailing lists about that approach (maybe when 18.04 development opens)
[13:29] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg, qtwebkit FTBFS on armhf, I am uploading a version with Ubuntu delta again
[13:29] <mitya57> This is needed only once, the version in experimental builds fine without delta: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2922/+packages
[14:21] <coreycb> bdmurray: good morning. if you have some cycles this week, i uploaded an ocata point release and a bug fix for python-oslo.middleware to the zesty review queue late last week.
[15:17] <cpaelzer> infinity: hi can I catch you at some point today to sync on the SLOF FFE testing to DTRT on it?
[15:17] <cpaelzer> what time would be good for you
[15:19] <sarnold> cpaelzer: note infinity's not at the rally
[15:21] <cpaelzer> sarnold: oh really I just searched the doc
[15:21] <cpaelzer> maybe he is at the not attending or cancel line
[15:21] <cpaelzer> I didn't check
[15:21] <cpaelzer> thanks sarnold
[15:22] <mwhudson> apw, sforshee: well so the making disk images hack worked but i lost all the setuid bits
[15:25] <cpaelzer> he is on the list sarnold, but you sound like you know as a fact - I hope nothing bad happened
[15:28] <slangasek> cpaelzer: yes, he's unavailable this week; can you point me at the FFe bug?
[15:35] <cpaelzer> slangasek: 1706248
[15:35] <cpaelzer> slangasek: he was "kind of ok" but wanted a test - and I agree but wanted to check quickly what to test
[15:35] <cpaelzer> slangasek: I can come down and talk with you about it if you are ok?
[15:36] <cpaelzer> it is just to make sure not doing a verification that isn't worth anything in your POV
[15:36] <cpaelzer> slangasek: well you just entered our room, so I try to catch you when you leave :-)
[16:04] <slangasek> cpaelzer: let's sync on the way to lunch ;)
[16:08] <cpaelzer> ok slangasek
[16:11] <slangasek> cpaelzer: 'test' here can just be a smoketest, to make sure the new slof works with our existing qemu package in artful and boot an Ubuntu VM
[16:11] <slangasek> cpaelzer: does slof support netbooting?  If so that would be gravy; AFAIK we don't rely on that functionality anywhere
[16:13] <cpaelzer> it does support pxe boot IIRC but I have no maas around to test drive that
[16:13] <cpaelzer> but I can certainly ensure that the usual guest lifecycle works
[16:14] <cpaelzer> unfortunately artful install seems to be broken again on my test system but I'll get some test going
[16:15] <slangasek> cpaelzer: since this is slof as we will only use in VMs, and we don't rely on VM netbooting, that's not critical to test
[16:24] <mwhudson> apw: i managed to hack something that mostly works, thanks for the tip
[16:25] <rbasak> cjwatson: on dep14 (git branch and tag names), we're importing and tagging our view of Launchpad's publication of Debian package uploads. That's outside the spec I think. It doesn't belong in debian/* as we'd expect the DD to own that namespace. But it doesn't belong in ubuntu/* either.
[16:26] <rbasak> So I'm not sure if what we're doing there matches your expectations.
[16:26] <rbasak> https://git.launchpad.net/~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/vim/refs/ is an example
[16:26] <nacc> we could shove all of that under launchpad/ if we wanted
[16:26] <nacc> but that's just more indirection
[16:27] <rbasak> We're also using upstream/* as specified by dep14, but those could collide with the DD's tree objects if there are minor import differences.
[16:28] <rbasak> cjwatson: so I said before to you that "we're following dep14" but I guess that's not really true :-/
[16:28] <rbasak> Other edge cases are that we need two pristine-tar branches to accomodate orig tarball differences.
[16:28] <rbasak> Really we're only following dep14 substitution rules I think.
[16:29] <nacc> (after fixing them :)
[16:29] <rbasak> :)
[16:30] <rbasak> nacc: "Patch queue tags" is something I don't remember considering before. Should we use that for our applied tags?
[16:31] <rbasak> nacc: anyway, sorry, I'll let you get on with other things. We can discuss later.
[16:32] <nacc> rbasak: it doesn't feel well-defined in dep14. we do use gbp-pq annotation a la dgit
[16:37] <wxl> \
[17:04] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, I agree ok
[17:04] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, thanks!
[17:42] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, what's the right way to push a SRU forward if some bugs failed verification (the fix is not perfect but fixes some issues so the SRU is still an improvement and there is no regression so we would like to get it pushed)
[17:42] <seb128> it's about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/1:8.0-0ubuntu3.4
[17:43] <bdmurray> seb128: talk to me or better talk to an SRU team member who is also an archive admin as they can fully phase the update
[17:43] <seb128> bdmurray, well first that one needs to be moved out of proposed
[17:43] <seb128> it's not in updates yet
[17:44] <bdmurray> seb128: Oh, okay then I can help with that.
[17:44] <seb128> bdmurray, anyway I'm speaking to you there ... is there an alias that contact sru team people?
[17:44] <seb128> rather than having to bother you directly (for next time)
[17:45] <bdmurray> seb128: No, I believe most SRU team members are subscribed to the ubuntu release mailing list so that should work.
[17:45] <seb128> k
[17:47] <bdmurray> seb128: so the argument for getting it into updates is that one bug failed verification but the fix for that makes things better and the other bugs are verified?
[17:49] <seb128> bdmurray, not exactly, the argument is that one fix is not working but 3 other issues are fixed and there are regressions
[17:49] <seb128> well or rather the 2 fixes fixes 3 of the 4 issues we though they would fix
[17:49] <seb128> and there is no regression
[17:49] <seb128> so it's still an improvement
[17:50] <bdmurray> seb128: ack, will release it in a bit.
[17:59] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[18:32] <smoser> cjwatson, what is the "syntax" in a git commit message for a debian bug.
[18:32] <smoser> akin to:
[18:32] <smoser>  LP: #XXXXXX
[18:32] <nacc> smoser: do you mean Closes: # ?
[18:33] <smoser> no.
[18:33] <smoser> not restricted to debian/changelog.
[18:33] <smoser> in a git commit message, i reference a bug with new line then LP: #XXXXX
[18:33] <cjwatson> smoser: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Linking_to_bugs
[18:33] <cjwatson> oh a *Debian* bug
[18:34] <cjwatson> do what you like
[18:34] <cjwatson> I'd say "Debian: #nnn"
[18:34] <cjwatson> but it's up to you
[18:34] <smoser> right. thats what i was asking. if there was something in place already.
[18:34] <smoser> ok. i'll just use Debian: #nnn
[18:34] <smoser> thanks.
[18:35] <nacc> I mean, afaict, it doesn't link it to a Debian bug or anything (where it = Launchpad)
[18:35] <cjwatson> nothing in place, no - LP doesn't track that directly except by way of bugs that have been synced into LP
[18:35] <nacc> yep
[20:25] <mwhudson> bladernr: hey, btw subiquity user testing is in shubert tomorrow morning, the event doesn't have a location and i can't add it
[21:56] <as2000> how can I get the applications menu extension to work in 17.10?
[21:56] <nacc> as2000: i think you want #ubuntu+1
[21:57] <as2000> thanks


[20:34] <mac_v> djsiegel3: hi.. you've used the canonical wiki for the specs in Bug #495634 .. thats not viewable by all , ubuntu wiki is ideal
[20:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 495634 in hundredpapercuts "Ensure that Expo is clean, fast, and usable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495634
[20:34] <djsiegel3> no wy
[20:34] <djsiegel3> no way
[20:34] <djsiegel3> weird
[20:43] <djsiegel3> fixed, mac_v
[20:56] <mac_v> djsiegel3: Bug #495641 too
[20:56] <mac_v> Bug #495641
[20:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 495641 in compiz "Ensure that Scale appearance is clean, fast, and usable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495641
[20:58] <djsiegel3> what the what
[20:58] <mac_v> canonical wiki
[21:03] <djsiegel3> yeah I got it


[02:56] <mwhudson> vorlon: could you look at the r-cran-vctrs autopkgtest failures on s390x? i think that's all that's holding up a bunch of r stuff
[02:56]  * mwhudson gives it a retry to make sure it's still broken
[02:57] <vorlon> mwhudson: hmm, won't be tonight
[02:57] <mwhudson> vorlon: sure :)
[02:58] <mwhudson> although https://github.com/r-lib/vctrs/issues/1353#issuecomment-814097160
[10:53] <apw> are we aware of sound issues (no sources listed in gnome-settings) with jammy today?
[11:29] <seb128> apw, no, could you share your recent apt log to see what changed?
[11:30] <apw> seb128, seems that restarting the various daemons made the sources and sinks come back; so i assume this is an upgrade order issue
[11:31] <apw> likely we should make the transition request a reboot for sanity.
[11:31] <seb128> apw, not really, pipewire isn't supposed to take over sound. Likely you got pipewire-pulse installed by some recent upgrade?
[11:31] <seb128> which would be a bug
[11:32] <apw> i cirtainly have pipewire-pulse installed; it does at least work :)
[11:32] <seb128> apw, could you check the apt log to see if it was just pulled in for you?
[11:32] <seb128> or is that something you opted in to install before?
[11:34] <apw> seb128, it seems it was requested by the ubuntu-desktop^ task.
[11:35] <apw> i routinly install that after a large dist-upgrade to avoid losing thing necessary for reboot
[11:35] <apw> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xbrv4knXhk/
[11:35] <apw> seb128, ^
[11:37] <seb128> apw, thanks, it's basically http://bugs.debian.org/999363
[11:37] <seb128> apw, I though we wouldn't be impacted yet since wireplumber is still in universe but that's enabled for most users upgrading
[11:38] <apw> ahh so you don't see it in install testing, but only upgraders.  /me enjoys some dogfood.
[11:38] <seb128> indeed
[11:39] <seb128> also new install would probably work from an user perspective because you don't have the issue of having the sound server changing under you from pulseaudio to pipewire in a session
[11:39] <apw> well i guess i get to test pipewire-pulse as a thing for a bit;  other than the upgrade being "poor", the experience audio wise is ok
[11:39] <seb128> apw, anyway, the issue is tracked as part of bug #1949776 for us
[11:39] <apw> ack thank.
[11:40] <seb128> np, thank you for mentioning it, it's always useful to have issues reported
[13:39] <ijohnson[m]> slyon: hey when you have a chance could you take a look at this netplan + ubuntu core related problem on the forum: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/ubuntu-core-20-boot-delayed-by-missing-wi-fi-usb-dongle-despite-optional-true-netplan-config/27403/1
[13:50] <slyon> ijohnson[m]: Yes, I will have a look later!
[13:54] <ijohnson[m]> thank you
[15:11] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, iso tracker question, how does one delete a testcase from a testsuite? example, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/410/edit , I want to remove the live session test from that set
[15:17] <bdmurray> seb128: Edit then change Status to Disabled should do the trick
[15:18] <seb128> bdmurray, ah, thanks, a bit confusing :)
[16:09] <schopin> Is there an easy way to know if a package is involved in a transition? I'm looking into merging libxmlb, which bumped soname, meaning a small transition (3 rdeps), but I'd like to make sure that this wouldn't conflict with other stuff.
[16:16] <vorlon> schopin: 'apt rdepends $soname'
[16:17] <vorlon> I also have a 'misc-transition-script' here that I should clean up and publish, its --dry-run mode would be useful for this
[16:18] <schopin> That much I have, yes. I was more thinking of something akin to the mention on tracker.debian.org which displays if a package is part of a planned transition.
[16:18] <vorlon> schopin: ah - the approximation I use is checking whether it's currently in -proposed
[16:19] <vorlon> (the transition tracker is also written in ocaml, I avoid it whenever I can ;)
[16:19] <seb128> I was going to say, check if it's proposed and what is listing it on update_excuses
[16:28] <vorlon> schopin: here's my terrible script, if it would be useful to you: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vr5p2R62Xw/
[16:30] <schopin> thanks!
[16:32] <vorlon> (needs improvement: auto-detect the devel release; take a list of package exclusions as commandline arguments; take a changelog override as commandline argument; then I would push it somewhere public and maintained)
[16:45] <teward> ddstreet: fyi i'm still wanting to backport vmfs6-tools because its needed in 18.04.  but i'm maintianer for that in Debian too so
[17:01] <vorlon> schopin: now with those improvements: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WzRSFrpSCs/
[20:29] <vorlon> has anyone written an apt-bisect?  Would be useful...
[20:33] <bdmurray> I'm not certian I know exactly what you might but bryyce might have done something like what I think you mean
[20:33] <bdmurray> s/might/mean/
[20:33] <sarnold> you could probably get there with an aptly mirror or snapshots.debian.org without too much trouble. given how quickly ubuntu reaps replaced packages off the mirrors I think it'd be pretty hard to do over here
[20:34] <vorlon> bdmurray: libpillowfight/amd64 has some kind of misbuild; the last good binary was built in the middle of the hirsute release; building it on released hirsute fails, building it on released groovy succeeds - bisect the apt dist-upgrade
[20:34] <vorlon> bryyce: ?
[20:35] <vorlon> sarnold: in this case I would be happy just bisecting the set of packages selected for upgrade between the releases
[20:36] <vorlon> ... beacuse it doesn't make sense why *any* of the packages would have broken the build
[20:36] <sarnold> vorlon: oh! that's a different angle than I expected :) yeah that'd be useful.
[20:37] <vorlon> ok just confirmed it wasn't linux-libc-dev that broke it, phew
[20:38] <vorlon> at this point I'm assuming what's going to happen is I'm going to upgrade ALL of the packages on top of groovy and it's still going to rebuild successfully
[20:48] <bryyce> vorlon, I do have a menagerie of scripts for the ppa transition but alas no equivalent of an apt-bisect which does sound handy
[20:49] <vorlon> good news, I reproduced the failure!  bad news, the set of packages I upgraded that triggered it are crazypants
[20:49] <bryyce> I'd also love a cli to generate a listing of packages involved in a transition ala the transition tracker, although I find the tracker's list is more of a starting point; there's more packages involved than that
[20:55] <vorlon> and the winner is.... <drumroll>
[20:55] <vorlon> dpkg-dev
[20:56] <vorlon> a dpkg-dev upgrade results in a misbuild of python3-pypillowfight
[21:37] <vorlon> ... because LTO \o/
[21:38] <sarnold> oh boy oh boy :)
[21:49] <vorlon> doko: so libpillowfight regresses on amd64 due to LTO, only detected at runtime by the autopkgtests.  Aside from turning off LTO in the package build, what do you want done with this?
[21:50] <lucas> vorlon: bisecting by timestamps using snapshot.debian.org works reasonably well (for Debian)
[21:50]  * vorlon nods
[21:54] <sarnold> there's a lto-disabled-list package that may need some updates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain/LTO
[21:56] <vorlon> sarnold: my understanding from doko's email to the list is this was a temporary measure to be superseded by per-package overrides anyway
[21:57] <sarnold> vorlon: aha
[22:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Indeed. I have a couple of packages that require overrides on LTO (the upstream hates the very idea of LTO).
[23:00] <bryyce> dovecot has optimize=-lto, but the new version from debian fails its tests due to lto issues, even with that.
[23:03] <bryyce> in this case, looks like the dovecot maintainers enabled it (adding -flto), as it worked with gcc 10.  Doesn't work with gcc 11 though.
[23:31] <vorlon> mwhudson: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/r-cran-vctrs/0.3.8-1ubuntu1 you made me write in R >_<
[23:33] <sarnold> that's the most R i've ever seen in one place before
[23:35] <vorlon> a worse language to google about than go
[23:36] <sarnold> oh my
[23:36] <vorlon> hmph, just found a bug in the patch, ohwell
[23:36] <vorlon> (the bug does not stop the tests from passing)


[18:45] <broder> pleia2: a few more tweets and you'll control the microblog frame on summit :-P
[18:47] <pleia2> debian is exciting :)
[18:47] <DarkwingUDS> broder: She just gave me a grin and a thumbs up :P
[18:47] <pleia2> we're back to blah blah blah cloud so I'm quiet for a while ;)
[18:48] <pleia2> (it's interesting technology, but I'm a sysadmin, not a dev, I want to see it when it's done)
[18:48]  * DarkwingUDS snickers at the jokes that can be made from "JuJu"
[18:49] <pleia2> jono needs to stop with the jokes, he's making me sick already :)
[18:49] <pleia2> "haha, bad juju!" make.it.stop.
[18:49] <DarkwingUDS> HAH! It's better then the Kubuntu group and saying "Persicely" every 5 minutes.
[18:49] <pleia2> oh nooooo
[18:49] <pleia2> hehe
[18:49] <DarkwingUDS> THATs old by now.
[18:50] <DarkwingUDS> How bad is it that we are sitting one seat away and we are chatting in IRC? :P
[18:50] <pleia2> we have a new leadership team here now
[18:50] <pleia2> updated launchpad and just emailed the list
[18:50] <pleia2> welcome jtatum :)
[18:50] <DarkwingUDS> Ahhh, Yay! jtatum welcome.
[18:50] <jtatum> thanks :)
[18:51] <DarkwingUDS> ROFL! The first cloud based push notifacation was the bat signal!
[18:51] <pleia2> bats bats
[18:53] <jtatum> actually that was pull notification
[18:53] <jtatum> since you had to periodically poll the clouds to see it
[18:53] <DarkwingUDS> jtatum: +1
[18:54] <jtatum> i really wanted to be at this uds, but travel has been hard to arrange lately.
[19:12] <bkerensa> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/
[19:12] <bkerensa> =/
[19:12] <bkerensa> nothing loads
[19:14] <jledbetter> Yep :)
[19:15] <bkerensa> Also Icecast is not working on Banshee :P
[19:15] <bkerensa> so no audio or video from UDS =/
[19:19] <jledbetter> Getting it via FF personally. Had the same issues though it was working for me earlier when I tested
[19:20] <bkerensa> FF?
[19:20] <bkerensa> Firefox?
[19:23] <jledbetter> Yes, sorry, in a remote session right now :)
[19:23] <jledbetter> Then back to work for me
[19:24] <jledbetter> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/bonaire3.ogg   opened in Firefox and it worked.
[19:41] <aaditya> MarkDude: ping
[20:42] <DarkwingUDS> MarkDude: Ping
[20:46] <akk> Anybody know the "right place" to configure a touchpad? All the google hits still talk about xorg.conf.
[20:46] <akk> I can get my horizontal scrolling working with a synclient command, but I'm not sure where to put it to make it persistent.
[20:53]  * bkerensa is going to go film Michael Moore
[20:53] <bkerensa> peace
[20:55] <DonkeyHotei> in soviet america, michael moore films you
[20:55] <nhaines> akk: I think it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:55] <akk> nhaines: There hasn't been an xorg.conf in about 3 years ... unless you generate one explicitly.
[20:56] <nhaines> akk: yes.
[20:56] <akk> Most things configured there can be configured somewhere else too.
[20:56] <nhaines> akk: just put in the stanzas you need, typically.  Is there a synaptics.conf somewhere?
[20:56] <akk> There is a /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf, which I was just about to look at ...
[20:57] <akk> that may be the new approved way.
[20:58] <nhaines> Hmm, just watched sabdfl's keynote at UDS-P.
[20:58] <DarkwingUDS> What you think?
[21:00] <pleia2> we were very happy that it was boring :)
[21:00] <pleia2> nhaines: link?
[21:00] <pleia2> (I had the live stream link, dunno where it's archived)
[21:04] <akk> Yay, that's the answer, /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf
[21:04] <nhaines> pleia2: uh, the Ubuntu Developers YouTube channel... I can't actually get to it on my desktop because work doesn't like that.  ;)
[21:04] <akk> Did it have some interesting content, as well as lack of inflammatory silliness?
[21:05] <nhaines> akk: yes, they said they would try to do user testing to optimize Ubuntu for power users.
[21:05] <akk> That sounds promising.
[21:05] <akk> Sounds like a big change, actually!
[21:05] <pleia2> nhaines: thanks :)
[21:05] <nhaines> And that if they could get Linus and esr in for testing, sabdfl was pretty sure footage would soon be available online everywhere... although they might have to mute the audio channel.  :)
[21:06] <akk> lol
[21:06] <pleia2> that was pretty good
[21:07] <akk> They should get me for testing. I have an amazing ability to not get supposedly simple GUI interfaces.
[21:07] <nhaines> I'll be happy to test the smartphone or tablet interfaces!
[21:07] <akk> I can help test tablet too, if they ever decide that's a priority.
[21:09] <akk> It's so rare that usability studies are willing to include people with any existing experience.
[21:10] <nhaines> akk: sabdfl announced during his keynote that that's a priority.
[21:10] <akk> Excellent
[21:10] <nhaines> pleia2: Ubuntu UDS P Orlando - Mark Shuttleworth Keynote: http://youtu.be/0bOwyGYTMv8
[21:11] <pleia2> nhaines: oh great, thanks :)
[21:17] <nhaines> pleia2: once I realized I had mobile hotspot tethering enabled on my G2 (that's how I watched the keynote on my Nexus One), it was easy enough to flip the laptop computer to the right network and hunt.  :)
[22:16]  * bkerensa is setting up a Voice RSS Reader for people at UDS
[22:16] <bkerensa> :D
[22:17] <bkerensa> you can call it and it will read Planet Ubuntu to you :D
[23:03] <nhaines> http://www.ubucon.org/scale/scale10x/ is now live!
[23:08] <nhaines> I expect people to spread the word.  :P
[23:52] <crashsystems> anyone have a link to today's UDS keynote?
[23:53] <nhaines> Ubuntu UDS P Orlando - Mark Shuttleworth Keynote:  http://youtu.be/0bOwyGYTMv8
[23:53] <crashsystems> awesome, thanks
[23:58] <nhaines> You're welcome.


[00:13] <JontheEchidna> tada: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice
[00:13] <neversfelde> nice :)
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> getting bug 528015 taken care of will allow us to close the remaining 3 in the koffice2 source package entry
[00:19] <Riddell> is that a hint?
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> maybe :)
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> oh, I have a few more archive-adminly things that need gettin' done if you're up to it
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> I'll give you a chance to run for the hills now, though. ;-)
[00:20] <Riddell> what are they?
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> bug 528023, bug 524955 and bug 524957
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> we can also demote kde3 kdelibs to universe after koffice-l10n bites the dust :)
[00:23] <Riddell> 524955 has a question on it
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> oh, I thought I had posted a reply to that
[00:23] <neversfelde> Riddell: I renamed kdebluetooth now, do we need a feature freeze exception for this change?
[00:24] <Riddell> neversfelde: no
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: dantti didn't really have a change, dholbach just read the change to debian/copyright as a change on our end
[00:24] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, I will attach it to the bug report tomorrow.
[00:25] <Riddell> there are koffice-l10n tars for 2.1.1
[00:25] <Riddell> but separate for each language
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> dang
[00:26] <Riddell> not sure what the best way to package those is
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> where're they hiding them?
[00:26] <Riddell> on ktown
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> hrm, would be nice if they gave a link on their website
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> we could make a hulking monolith like debian does with kde-l10n
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> maybe since koffice is smaller it wouldn't be so bad?
[00:28] <Riddell> I'm included to keep them all separate
[00:28] <Riddell> separate binaries too
[00:28] <Riddell> and have language-support-xx recommend them
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'd never have a monolithic binary package for that
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> what would have to be done to set things up so that they could be handled with our current l10n packaging scripts (or tweaked variants of our scripts)?
[00:33] <Riddell> what scripts?
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> the ones used to update the kde l10n packages each release
[00:35] <Riddell> rumours of such scripts are much exaggerated
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> ouch :(
[00:37] <Riddell> there's not much that needs to be scripted, it's just a case of running dch for each package using a bash for loop
[00:38] <Riddell> doing the debuild -S (and debuild if you're doing it properly which takes hours) and uploading is the time sync
[00:42] <Riddell> that's those three bugs done anyway
[00:43]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> nini
[01:30] <yuriy> oh alpha 3 is already out? I guess i'll install that instead of "testing" an image
[02:15] <DWonderly> *grumbles*
[02:15] <DWonderly> I hate getting bad images
[02:33] <yuriy> damn, installer on alpha 3 is crashing on manual partitioning
[02:40] <yuriy> bug 528171
[03:53] <maco2> hmm these .sip files for kdebindings are hard to read
[03:58] <nixternal> they didn't seem hard for me to read, but they hard as hell for me to create...then I found out about the script sime uses to create them...grrr, I wasted a few hours on that one night
[03:59] <maco2> heh
[03:59] <maco2> well im looking at it going "it SAYS namespace Phonon.... so why's the resulting thing have the wrong string for .__class__.__name__ ???"
[04:00] <nixternal> oh, you really want to dive into python
[04:00] <nixternal> what is it giving you?
[04:00] <maco2> PyKDE4.phonon.MediaSource instead of PyKDE4.phonon.Phonon.MediaSource
[04:01] <maco2> im looking at kdebindings/python/pykde4/sip/phonon/mediasource.sip
[04:02]  * nixternal tries to think of the word to use to describe why...
[04:02] <nixternal> ummm...shoot, what is the word I am looking for
[04:02] <nixternal> because...ummm
[04:02] <nixternal> lol
[04:02] <maco2> "because it's broken"?
[04:02] <nixternal> no no
[04:02] <maco2> PyQt4.phonon.Phonon.MediaSource does it right
[04:05] <nixternal> how are you importing phonon?
[04:05] <nixternal> I can't reproduce it with bpython
[04:05] <nixternal> from PyKDE4.phonon import *
[04:05] <maco2> thats what i'm using
[04:05] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:05] <nixternal> >>> from PyKDE4.phonon import *
[04:05] <nixternal> >>> foo = Phonon.MediaSource()
[04:05] <nixternal> >>> foo.__class__.__name__
[04:05] <nixternal> 'MediaSource'
[04:06] <maco2> which is wrong
[04:06] <maco2> it should say Phonon.MediaSource
[04:06] <nixternal> MediaSource is the class name though
[04:06] <maco2> but if you try to use a VideoPlayer with .play(foo) it'll tell you it expected a Phonon.MediaSource and instead received a MediaSource
[04:07] <nixternal> >>> foo.__class__
[04:07] <nixternal> <class 'PyKDE4.phonon.MediaSource'>
[04:07] <maco2> see?
[04:07] <nixternal> I see what you are saying
[04:07] <maco2> it's missing a capital-P Phonon
[04:10] <maco2> ooh or...
[04:11] <maco2> this could be a qt designer v. python issue
[04:11] <maco2> qt designer might be putting in the PyQt4 version of phonon not the pykde4 one...
[04:12] <nixternal> ahh, that might explain some funkiness here
[04:12] <maco2> hmm so .ui doesnt specify whether to use the pyqt4 or pykde4 versions of stuff
[04:12] <maco2> so in there it just says Phonon::VideoPlayer
[04:13] <nixternal> right, and that is the Qt Phonon stuff, not the KDE Phonon stuff
[04:13] <maco2> the .py generated by pykdeuic4 imports PyQt4 but of PyKDE4 it ony imports kdeui and kdecore
[04:14] <maco2> so maybe its actually that pykdeuic4 ought to pick PyKDE4.phonon if it encounters phonon stuff?
[04:15]  * maco2 boggles
[04:15] <maco2> the .py generated includes 2 import statements *at the end*
[04:15] <maco2> why would it do that?
[04:16] <nixternal> no idea, I don't use any of the *uic* tools
[04:17] <nixternal> with linuxtoday, reddit, and digg....I have served over 1,000,000 unique hits in less than a week...pretty good, and my server never tanked, and I made a whopping...wait for it...wait for it...$16 from adsense!
[04:17] <nixternal> click damnit click!
[04:18] <maco2> hehe
[04:19] <maco2> ok i see whats happening
[04:19] <maco2> if i play with the generated .py
[04:19] <maco2> i have to remove "from PyQt4 import phonon" from the end of the file and add "from PyKDE4 import phonon" to the beginning of the file
[04:22] <nixternal> or the more correct way, 'from PyKDE4.phonon import *'
[04:22] <nixternal> gotta follow PEP8
[04:24] <maco2> ok or that
[04:29] <nixternal> i just finished watching a thing on tv about software patents...it is ridiculous what is patented...now I can't remember the channel I watched it on, nor the link of really crazy software patents
[04:29] <nixternal> and facebook today patented some news feed stuff...it is just getting out of hand
[04:30] <nixternal> according to this show, Microsoft is sued on average, 5 times a day for patent infringement...and the other big one was...damn, I can't remember now
[04:30] <nixternal> that's what I get for messing with python while trying to watch that :p
[04:30]  * nixternal blames maco2
[04:31] <ScottK> Apple just won a big Patent suit in Texas.
[04:31] <ScottK> I read about it on Groklaw earlier in the week.
[04:31] <nixternal> does apple have a lot of software patents for their stuff? they didn't say a thing about apple on this show
[04:32] <ScottK> They were getting sued for violating someone else's patent.
[04:32] <nixternal> texas is where everyone sues for patents, easiest place to win
[04:32] <ScottK> Yep
[04:32] <nixternal> my dad was sued back in the 80s for his patents...he told the court in texas to kiss his ass
[04:32] <ScottK> I gather Apple has a pretty strict policy of not settling out of court except in a few rare cases where they agree they goofed.
[04:33] <nixternal> he still isn't out of prison :p just kidding...but he never had to go to court, and ended up winning because he was backed by panasonic who ended up purchasing some of his patents
[04:34] <nixternal> then recently, he was contacted by someone about someone supposedly violating his patents, so my dad called him...told the guy, hey that has been patented by me for almost 30 years...the guy on the other end got nervous and asked what he should do, and my dad said, well I think you at least owe me a beer :)
[04:35] <nixternal> he has like 30 patents, and I couldn't tell you what any of them even do...that deep electronics stuff makes absolutely no sense to me
[04:39] <DarkwingDuck> *sigh*
[04:40] <DarkwingDuck> Remind me again why I handed out all of my Kubuntu CDs at SCALE?
[04:41] <ScottK> Because you want Lucid, not Karmic and you didn't have any Lucid CDs.
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:43] <DarkwingDuck> I want something stabler to start with on my X41
[04:43] <nixternal> lucid is pretty good right now actually
[04:43] <nixternal> one week without a single hiccup
[04:44] <nixternal> I am probably going to reformat/reinstall with lucid this weekend on this laptop
[04:44] <DarkwingDuck> even netbook?
[04:44] <nixternal> ScottK: is knr dirt slow on your dell mini?
[04:45] <nixternal> myself and another guy who was running opensuse with plasma-netbook the other night, both commented on how slow the netbook stuff was on our netbooks
[04:45] <nixternal> wondering if my netbook has a fault somewhere, or is it really that darn slow
[04:45] <nixternal> anyways, bbiaf, gonna go enjoy some ice cream...i fried the roof of my mouth on pizza
[04:47] <DarkwingDuck> KNR will runnin a full 1024x768
[04:47] <DarkwingDuck> right?
[04:48] <DarkwingDuck> this way I can test the wacom interface with it being a tablet
[04:50] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone have the Lucid KNR daily (Or a couple days ago) on a fater server? I'm only able to pull 60kbps down off the server.
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> *faster
[05:03] <daskreech> Is the Lucid ISOs burnable/bootable
[05:04] <DarkwingDuck> Daily builds have been for me since pre-alpha
[05:05] <daskreech> Kool
[05:06] <shadeslayer> hnmmm the release page is missing in the announcement
[05:06] <shadeslayer> meh
[05:06] <shadeslayer> the release page is missing screenshots
[05:13] <DarkwingDuck> god I hate bogged servers
[05:47] <ScottK> nixternal: How much RAM?
[05:47] <ScottK> It seems to be right on the edge of digging itself into swap with 1GB.
[05:47] <ScottK> I've got an SSD, so I don't notice so much.
[05:48] <ScottK> nixternal: For your OpportunistiK session, you might show how to develop something quick and easy on Kubuntu with PyKDE and then show how to deploy it on Windows, Mac, and Linux.
[06:06] <nixternal> 1GB
[06:06] <ScottK> SSD or hard drive?
[06:06] <nixternal> ScottK: I don't even know where to begin on deploying shit on Mac let alone Windows anymore
[06:06] <nixternal> 160gb hd
[06:07] <ScottK> SSD makes a huge difference in Netbook performance.
[06:07] <ScottK> OK, it was a thought.
[06:07] <nixternal> a good thought though...one that I just might look into to be honest
[06:08] <nixternal> right now, the only feedback I got was create a simple podcatcher with the rss plasma engine and phonon
[06:08] <nixternal> i was thinking get rid of the plasma part, and do a simple podcatcher...very simple podcatcher that someone could expand on
[06:08] <nixternal> ScottK: damn, that windows mac linux thing is about as opportunistic as one can get
[06:09] <nixternal> f'n bingo dude
[06:09] <ScottK> I think one of the keys to catching real opportunistic programmers is to show it's easy to solve real problems they've got at work, quickly and easily.
[06:09] <ScottK> Not being just for Linux is a big part of that.
[06:09] <nixternal> right...i didn't look our that far...that is a really awesome idea
[06:10] <ScottK> Don't think in terms of stuff we'd want in the distro, think in terms of getting your idiot boss to stop screaming at you.
[06:10] <nixternal> i wonder how you would deploy with python and pykde4 on windows and mac...
[06:10] <ScottK> Dunno.
[06:10] <nixternal> i know people who will though, Python Chicago here I come! :)
[06:10] <ScottK> I'd suggest focus on Windows and just mention it's for Mac too.
[06:10] <nixternal> yeah, especially since I don't have a way to test on a mac
[06:22] <markey> apachelogger: someone, you have a very confusing way of writing blogs ;)
[06:22] <markey> I don't really understand what you are saying there
[06:22] <markey> it's full of mythical allusions and inside jokes, I guess
[06:22] <markey> "Opportunistic opportunity"
[06:22] <markey> what is that? :)
[06:22] <markey> s/someone/somehow
[06:23] <nixternal> ScottK: ahh, PyKDE !work with Windows (yet?)
[06:23] <markey> I read it twice, but I still don't get it :p
[06:23] <ScottK> Ah, crap.
[06:24] <markey> The idea is that opportunistic programmers ares doing normal application development like most people think of it.  It's small, one off, scripts or small apps to solve local needs.""
[06:24] <markey> lolwut
[06:25] <nixternal> hehe
[06:25] <markey> can't you just write: "I have idea A. It works like this: B. Thank you for reading."
[06:25] <markey> that would make it easier to parse
[06:25] <nixternal> "Isn't this obvious. A quickly template for Pyside?" WTF? That is the only comment for my opportunistiK call....tom are you in here?
[06:27] <daskreech> nixternal: Ruby Chicago?
[06:28] <hanthana> i would like to localize kubuntu, i have done kde essentials for my language and also continuing the rest of localizing the apps
[06:30] <nixternal> Ruby is as opportunistic as a bullet hole in the head
[06:30] <nixternal> I have been to a few of the Chicago Ruby mixes...cool getting to hang out with the big wigs in the Ruby and Rails communities
[06:31] <daskreech> That's an oppurtunity for bullet and casket makers
[06:35] <nixternal> http://blog.nixternal.com/2010.02.25/opportunistik-needs-help/comment-page-1/#comment-5647
[06:35] <nixternal> and that's my answer, or that's my story and I'm stickin' with it
[06:36] <daskreech> nixternal: want to point hanthana to docs? :)
[06:36] <valorie> hi folks, synaptic reports that kdelibs-dbg is broken
[06:36] <valorie> it wants to put in qt-x11-free-dbg instead
[06:36] <valorie> does that sound right?
[06:36] <valorie> the Amarok devs didn't know
[06:37] <nixternal> hanthana: in the next couple of weeks, the docs for kubuntu will be made available on launchpad for localizing
[06:37] <valorie> and that's why I installed kdelibs-dbg in the first place
[06:37] <valorie> to help debug amarok
[06:37] <hanthana> nixternal: daskreech: dude, we are ready to support. but there is no one supporting
[06:37] <nixternal> I think that might already be known as I saw someone talking about that either earlier or yesterday valorie
[06:38] <daskreech> Support the Support of the support!
[06:38] <valorie> should I allow synaptic to do it?
[06:38] <nixternal> what do you mean hanthana that there is no one supporting?
[06:38] <hanthana> i meant giving required info to contributors
[06:38] <nixternal> it doesn't sound right to me
[06:39] <valorie> synaptic reports a broken package
[06:39] <hanthana> 4hrs searching but still no luck
[06:39] <nixternal> hanthana: string freeze is March 25th I believe...until we have a package with the new kubuntu-docs uploaded, there is nothing to translate
[06:39] <valorie> perhaps I should try adept or something and see what It says
[06:39] <nixternal> we are reworking the docs....that's why there is nothing yet...we did a complete rewrite
[06:39] <hanthana> nixternal: where is the po file for kubuntu installer
[06:40] <hanthana> and what are the essential desktop apps for kubuntu
[06:40] <markey> nixternal: really, I'd rethink the naming. it's your call, but "OpportunistiK" is far out.. ;)
[06:40] <markey> it sounds both weird and strange, in a weird way
[06:40] <markey> that makes no sense at all
[06:40] <nixternal> hehe, I had to have a bit of fun so apachelogger couldn't grep planet.ubuntu.com for opportunistic and raise his numbers
[06:41] <markey> that blog, I guess only Kubuntu insiders would understand it
[06:42] <nixternal> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/ubiquity  <- hanthana, there is the ubiquity installer if that is what you were referring to
[06:43] <nixternal> the essential desktop apps for kubuntu are translated upstream, unless of course that changed, as I do not closely follow translation stuff... dpm would know more about translation stuff than I would for sure
[06:43] <hanthana> nixternal: i am a fedora user not familiar with Ubuntu packages, but i have localized the Debian installer
[06:43] <nixternal> groovy
[06:43] <hanthana> just contributing for the community
[06:43]  * hanthana hate launch pad!
[06:44] <dpm> hanthana, you can also ask translations questions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact#UbuntuTranslators (both for Ubuntu and Kubuntu)
[06:44] <hanthana> nothing going back to upstream
[06:44] <nixternal> markey: what doesn't make sense about my blog post? and I agree with you on harald's post :D
[06:44] <hanthana> dpm: ok
[06:44] <nixternal> damn, I don't think dpm sleeps
[06:44] <dpm> hey nixternal :)
[06:44] <hanthana> anyway, pls update the site with 'how to join' etc
[06:44] <dpm> gout up a bit earlier today to finish off some stuff
[06:45] <dpm> got up
[06:45] <nixternal> dpm: oh yeah, I will email you with a list of the templates to remove...I forgot...need to go through and see what can stay and what can go
[06:45] <nixternal> oh wow, just realized it is 00:45 here..didn't realize it was that late
[06:45] <daskreech> Hmm I just grabbed the Daily Live CD and the md5sums listed on the site aren't the same as the ICO
[06:45] <dpm> nixternal, heh, see who's not sleeping now ;)
[06:45] <hanthana> 12.15 here :)
[06:45] <daskreech> ISO
[06:45] <daskreech> How often is that wrong?
[06:46] <DWonderly> Okay, I forget... whats the command to update my 9.10 to 10.04 Alpha-Current?
[06:46] <daskreech> DWonderly: if you have to ask you probably shouldn't update :)
[06:46] <nixternal> DWonderly: update iso or your computer?
[06:47] <DWonderly> nixternal: computer
[06:47] <markey> nixternal: haven't read yours yet, I meant Harald's ;)
[06:47] <markey> nixternal: sec, gonna read yours
[06:47]  * daskreech ponders burning his last blank with an ISO that doesn't have a correct md5sum
[06:47] <DWonderly> I was going to just DL the ISO but, be quicker this way... maybe
[06:47] <nixternal> update-notifier-kde -u  <- DWonderly
[06:47] <DWonderly> daskreech: I know what I'm doing... just slips my mind.
[06:48] <DWonderly> nixternal: thanks
[06:48] <dpm> nixternal, great, thanks for the update on kubuntu-docs. I'll wait for the e-mail then.
[06:48] <nixternal> I think that will work
[06:48] <nixternal> oh, I was gonna say, mine had to make sense, I poked fun at Harald and asked what kind of app I should write for my presentation :)
[06:48] <DWonderly> I'll say this... KNE looks good on tablets
[06:48] <markey> nixternal: yeah, yours is easier to understand ;)
[06:48] <nixternal> I just saw your buzz
[06:48] <markey> got it now
[06:48] <nixternal> stupid buzz
[06:49] <markey> nixternal: yeah I saw your blog on Buzz, not on Planet KDE. got all confused
[06:49] <markey> this cross-aggregating is becoming weird
[06:49] <markey> you can't tell anymore what the actual source of something is ;)
[06:49] <nixternal> "I help you double your income, doing what you love. And, I ride a 5' tall unicycle!!"  ...shit, sign me up!
[06:50] <nixternal> yeah, it was for planet.ubuntu.com...I don't post all of my stuff to kde anymore, as there are to many distro-x fanboys who do nothing more than waste bandwidth
[06:50] <nixternal> if I say Kubuntu in a post on planetkde.org, I will be tarred and feathered
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, this is better
[06:51] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: you in Mississippi yet?
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> No. 20th
[06:51] <nixternal> how in the hell did you pull that for a duty station being a brown shoe?
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> of March
[06:51] <nixternal> you had to get in trouble :p
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> I'm an Aviation...
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I got hurt :/
[06:51] <nixternal> ouch, that sucks
[06:52] <valorie> ugh, after researching, I decided to let synaptic do what it wanted, which was to reinstall and ADD the qt--x11-free-dbg
[06:52] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... Oh well
[06:52] <hanthana> this is very funny.. jumping to channel by channel :D
[06:52] <valorie> now it errors out: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/qt-x11-free-dbg_3%3a3.3.8-b-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/qvfb', which is also in package libqt4-dbg 4
[06:52] <ScottK> Good night all.
[06:52] <markey> nite ScottK
[06:52] <valorie> oops
[06:53] <valorie> so any suggestions?
[06:53] <markey> valorie: what did you actually try to do there? :)
[06:53] <DarkwingDuck> But nixternal, I finally have a laptop again
[06:53] <valorie> reinstall kdelibs-dbg
[06:53] <markey> hm
[06:53] <markey> but why :)
[06:54] <valorie> because it is reported as broken
[06:54] <hanthana> seems #ubuntu-translators are sleeping :(
[06:55] <valorie> I have a bunch of updates to do, but cannot while there is a broken package
[06:55] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: woohoo!
[06:55] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[06:55] <DarkwingDuck> ThinkPad X41 Tablet
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> and it's -d rather then -u
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> -u is latest release and -d the latest Devel
[06:56] <nixternal> better than my old dell laptop or compaq laptop that I use religiously still
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[06:56] <nixternal> what are you going to be doing at good ol' McCain Air Field?
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> arresting gear and field support
[06:57] <nixternal> damn, you should have tried for Pax River instead
[06:57] <dpm> hanthana, please, be patient, people are not there 24/7. It's 07:54 am in Europe, for example, and most people are just starting the day. Furthermore, you haven't posted a question there, only what you are doing. What is the actual question?  VT-3 and VT-5
[06:57] <dpm> hanthana, if there are no answers on IRC, you cal always use the mailing list
[06:57] <daskreech> nixternal: who has the good ass?
[06:57] <DarkwingDuck> also, we are the backup home of the Blue Angels
[06:57] <nixternal> I used to party hard with the VT wings
[06:57] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[06:57] <nixternal> they had the best beach parties at pax
[06:58] <DarkwingDuck> Im actually looking forward to it
[06:58] <nixternal> and it was a blast breaking into the marine corps barracks and stealing their ugly bull dog
[06:59] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[06:59] <DarkwingDuck> Sounds like the fun I had with the Army nerds at Goodfellow AFB
[07:00] <nixternal> http://www.navair.navy.mil/  <- DarkwingDuck that's where you want to be as a brown shoe....that's where pre-astronauts train for nasa...that was my last duty station, and it made me wish I was a brown shoe because of all the awesome toys and testing
[07:00] <DarkwingDuck> I almost landed Key West but, they didn't want to spend the $$ to send me to south Florida
[07:00] <nixternal> I was there when they were crashing all of the ospreys
[07:00] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[07:00] <DarkwingDuck> its a good spot
[07:01] <nixternal> i hated living in that area though, and that was probably due to my ex-wife..under different circumstances I think I could live there
[07:02] <DarkwingDuck> Meridian is about an hour and a half from the wifes family
[07:02] <DarkwingDuck> So, she is MORE then happy
[07:02] <nixternal> oh lord, don't say I didn't warn you...unless of course you get along with your inlaws
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> I actually do LOL
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> Kinda strange
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> My father in law is happy that he thinks he will have a hunting buddy LOL
[07:04] <nixternal> so, I went up to great mistakes this week...let me just say, after seeing the new uniforms, I am glad I am not in the navy anymore
[07:05] <DarkwingDuck> LOL They arn't actually THAT bad. Actually kinda comfy.  GMG
[07:14] <DarkwingDuck> GMGCM
[07:14] <nixternal> GMGMC
[07:14] <DarkwingDuck> Has a nice ring to it ;)
[07:14] <DarkwingDuck> CS and CM... at least it is now
[07:14] <nixternal> yeah, my master chief did the GMMC, and I told him I will never be just a GM, as I wasn't a generalist
[07:14] <nixternal> I didn't work on missiles, MK45 only
[07:14] <nixternal> and the occasional MK38
[07:15] <Riddell> nice, a topic specific Kubuntu book http://iaclub.ist.psu.edu/2010/basic-penetration-testing-kubuntu-style/
[07:15] <DarkwingDuck> ahh how ya
[07:15] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Riddell... your name kept popping up at SCALE
[07:16] <Riddell> err, really?
[07:16] <Riddell> from whom?
[07:16] <DarkwingDuck> A few here and there... Jono asked if I had met you.
[07:17] <DarkwingDuck> The KDE booth guys
[07:17] <nixternal> ahh, I wonder if that is the same griffith that was asking me questions the other day
[07:17] <Riddell> who was on the KDE booth?  (I should chase them up for a Dot News article)
[07:18] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh. crap... I have names somewhere...
[07:18] <DarkwingDuck> Couple locals... not the best booth this year... 3 laptops
[07:18] <DarkwingDuck> If it wasn't for me bringing over some Kubuntu CDs they wouldn't have had any handouts
[07:18] <Riddell> tsk
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> yeah I know.
[07:19] <nixternal> i would figure blauzal, but I saw a bunch of openSUSE stuff in the pics...maybe will was around?
[07:20] <DarkwingDuck> the Ubuntu Booth I was a part of handed out around 2500 CDs between Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Ubuntu Server
[07:21] <nixternal> if they got a conference pack, they got 1500 Ubuntu Desktop CDs, 500 Server CDs, and 500 Kubuntu CDs...and like I said earlier, for me Kubuntu goes at a faster rate here in Chicago
[07:21] <nixternal> actually, at every event I have been too...people are quick to do "ewww KDE" but they sure are just as quick to grab a Kubuntu CD
[07:22] <DarkwingDuck> Esp when you show them 4.3
[07:22] <nixternal> that or I act like a wise guy and plan on taking them out if they don't :)
[07:23] <nixternal> Use Kubuntu, or else this guy, http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/4314711628/ will come after you!
[07:23] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[07:24] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[07:26] <daskreech> I was about to mention that Kubuntu CDs go faster at the conferences that nixternal is at ... because they are conferences that nixternal is at
[07:27] <nixternal> I think it is time to become metrosexual and less meat head/goodfellas character
[07:28] <nixternal> though, meat head is fun...how many nerds do you know can benchpress over 300 pounds?
[07:28] <nixternal> dunno many open source hackers who played college ball either...i know a couple at microsoft, but not here in our awesome world
[07:31] <DarkwingDuck> heh. I'm going to have to make it up there to Chi-Town again some day
[07:32] <nixternal> good, you can buy me some beers then :)
[07:32] <daskreech> Lupe!
[07:33] <nixternal> as long as it isn't a nasty jamaican beer :p
[07:33] <DarkwingDuck> Of course
[07:33] <nixternal> red stripe ftw!
[07:34] <DarkwingDuck> Just like any good PO2 would do
[07:34] <nixternal> Goose Island Matilda, the best beer there is righ tnow
[07:34] <nixternal> there are a few IPAs out there that I absolutely love
[07:34] <nixternal> dogfish head has a great ipa
[07:35] <DarkwingDuck> Nice
[07:46] <daskreech> Yay!
[07:46] <daskreech> No Red stripe for nixternal
[07:46] <daskreech> more for the nasty Jamaicans :)
[07:50] <DarkwingDuck> Hehehe
[07:50] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, almost done with the upgrade
[07:51] <daskreech> meanwhile I downloaded the ISO twice and burnt it
[07:51] <daskreech> I could have installed it as well :)
[07:53] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[08:18] <agateau> apachelogger: hi!
[08:18] <agateau> apachelogger: just read your latest post, and laughed quite a bit :)
[08:19] <agateau> apachelogger: I am wondering if you did not mean to say KDE in this sentence "You do not like that GNOME is using a closed source toolkit"
[08:19] <agateau> apachelogger: or am I opportunisticly lost?
[08:27] <nixternal> agateau: right, I thought the same with that line
[08:29] <Riddell> is that post ment to make any sense?
[08:29] <nixternal> probably not, like markey said, booze and weed may have contributed :)
[08:30] <Riddell> surely not, this is harald, probably just too many sweeties
[08:30] <DarkwingDuck> oh poppy...
[08:31] <DarkwingDuck> wacom stopped working as soon as I updated to 10.04A
[08:31] <DarkwingDuck> Now to figure out why I can'y use my tablet
[08:34] <nixternal> "I am trying to locate GMC(SW) Willie B. Tate. I know he was stationed on the IOWA, MONONGAHELA, IKE and in Pax River. He retired in Norfolk a couple of years ago. If anyone knows how to contact him, please let me know. BZ Goatlocker, great site! Thanks shipmates."  <- whoa, I was searching for old shipmates, and someone is looking for my old chief too...from 2001, so I don't think her email address will still be the same
[08:37] <nixternal> sent an email anyways
[08:49] <DarkwingDuck> Is there an X11 configuration for KDE?
[08:55] <Riddell> no
[08:56] <Sput> what is "X11 configuration"? things like dual monitors etc can be handled with krandrtray or the newish KCM
[08:56] <Sput> not sure what else is there to configure
[08:58] <DarkwingDuck> Tablet input
[09:00] <DarkwingDuck> the wacom inputs for my tablet were working in 9.10
[09:00] <DarkwingDuck> But, while the drivers are all still there the tablet input stopped working on the update
[09:06] <DarkwingDuck> I'll dig tomorrow. *sigh*
[09:30] <shadeslayer> btw what line should i add to rules for the patch system?
[09:31] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[09:56] <Riddell> Lex79: I'll upload qt4 from kubuntu ninjas now
[10:07] <Riddell> Lex79: why did libphonon4.symbols get generated at build?
[10:40] <apachelogger> agateau: nope, that was theoretical, based on all the mono whining :P, but yeah, that sentence started off with KDE ;)
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell, nixternal: only caffeine and reading a couple of days worth of planet ubuntu was involved
[10:41] <agateau> apachelogger: I thought it was a reference to the creation of GNOME, being free-er than KDE which was built on non-free Qt
[10:42] <Mamarok> apachelogger: what did you smoke when you wrote that blog? It's utterly confusing...
[10:42] <apachelogger> agateau: yeah, but then again that would make those people that do not understand what opportunistic programming is claim that gnome is opportunistic software
[10:43] <apachelogger> just imagine the amount of blog posts I would have to read about that...
[10:43] <agateau> :)
[10:43] <apachelogger> opportunistic gnome here, opportunistic gnome there, <3 gnome...
[10:44] <apachelogger> Mamarok: it is just very insidish
[10:44] <Mamarok> well, then it should not be on planetkde.org, nobody understands it
[10:45] <Mamarok> it makes people think you are really confused :)
[10:45] <Mamarok> and you managed to confuse Jono :)
[10:46] <apachelogger> must write a disclaimr then
[10:47] <apachelogger> "madness due to ubuntu, must go to debian, ktxhbai"
[10:47] <apachelogger> that shoudl also be short enough so markey gets it ^^
[10:47] <apachelogger> though I must agree, I should get rss feeds of tags to the planets
[10:48] <Mamarok> yep, that might be a good diea :)
[10:48] <Mamarok> idea even
[10:50] <apachelogger> first I must explain that opportunistic blog post though, and confuse jono even more :/
[10:50] <allee-m> anyone working already on it: karmic 4.3 -> 4.4: a) existing use with nepomuk data:  akonadi does not start.   b) New user: akonadi starts buts warns: nepomuk could not be enabled.  Nepomuk errmsg:  There is no configuration file .ini
[10:52] <Riddell> nepomuk will need virtuosoconverter
[10:52] <Riddell> I haven't put that in main though
[10:54] <allee-m> Riddell: virtuosoconverter was installed and sucessful.   But a new created user should not need converter.  So deeper problem is:   the no .ini file I get for the freshly created user
[10:58] <apachelogger> "Everything we ship in Ubuntu is free software."
[10:59] <apachelogger> *cough* nvidia *cough* radeon
[11:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, one needs to invoke the converter manually, so I wonder about its use
[11:03] <Riddell> allee-m: do you have a .cache directory?
[11:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: it should get run by nepomuk, we patched it to do so
[11:04] <apachelogger> oh
[11:04] <apachelogger> in that case I wonder why upstream does not do that
[11:04] <Riddell> well the patch came from upstream
[11:05] <allee-m> Riddell: new created user: no  I checked with find $HOME . -iname .cache
[11:05] <Riddell> allee-m: you're using the karmic 4.4 packages?
[11:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is getting more and more confusing ^^
[11:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think trueg doesn't want to support virtuosoconverter officially because there was never a stable KDE release using virtuoso 5 and it's a bit hackey (contains a full copy of virtuoso5 sources)
[11:06] <allee-m> Riddell: yes, including yesterdays? 4.4.0 ... karmic1~ppa3
[11:07] <Riddell> soprano's kubuntu_01_config_path.diff patch needs updated in PPA then
[11:08] <allee-m> that virtuoso for an user that used 4.3 may fail, not good but with a 4.4 an a newly created user that's no good as it should affect many new users/installations
[11:11] <allee-m> Riddell: bzr path to kubuntu_01_config_path.diff ?
[11:12] <Riddell> allee-m: it's not in bzr, it's in the soprano package in lucid, I'll upload it to the PPA in a second
[11:13]  * allee-m checks lucid netbook
[11:15] <Riddell> uploaded
[11:17] <allee-m> thx   I'll check if this fixes the problem for new created user.   Then I'll try to find what goes wrong after virtusoconverter did run on existing nepomuk installations
[11:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[12:14] <Riddell> markey: ok if I add the kstatusnotifieritem patch to our package in lucid?  http://gitorious.org/amarok/amarok/merge_requests/130
[12:14] <markey> Riddell: sure, but could maybe wait until we have tested it?
[12:14] <markey> cause, we haven't tested it at all yet
[12:15] <markey> want to make sure it works properly...
[12:15] <markey> that said, I tend to trust Aurelien
[12:15] <markey> it's probably good :)
[12:16] <Riddell> markey: I'd rather do it now because UI freeze is next week
[12:17] <markey> Riddell: ah ok, then no problem, if it works OK for you :)
[12:17] <Riddell> yes assuming my testing works, still compiling here
[12:17] <shadeslayer> Weird bug : Plymouth doesnt launch via lucid alpha 3
[12:18] <shadeslayer> and i cant virtualize the iso via kvm either :)
[12:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does for me, maybe it doesn't like your graphics card
[12:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably... i have a nvidia card
[12:18] <shadeslayer> but virtualization should work right?
[12:18] <Riddell> yes
[12:18] <shadeslayer> doesnt...
[12:19] <shadeslayer> Boot failed : could not read bootdisk :P
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/SV3xUt.html
[12:21] <Riddell> folks in #ubuntu-testing might know more, I rarely use virtualisation myself
[12:21] <shadeslayer> hmm.. ok
[12:21] <shadeslayer> well when i write the image to a USB it works
[12:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently i was missing -cdrom :P
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: gotta go, be back later
[12:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh about the boot screen,should i report a bug?
[13:07] <markey> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-releases-Ubuntu-10-04-LTS-Alpha-3-941337.html
[13:07] <markey> :D
[13:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[13:11] <shadeslayer> markey: eh?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> markey: oh btw do you know how to authourize ubuntu-dev-tools to upload to a PPA?
[13:12] <markey> me?
[13:12] <markey> no
[13:12] <markey> I'm not a kubuntu dev
[13:12] <markey> I just hang around here, talking bullshit
[13:13] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:13] <shadeslayer> anyone know how to do the above?
[13:22] <agateau> shadeslayer: I guess Riddell or ScottK would know ^
[13:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hehe
[13:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i hope im not bothering :)
[13:23] <Riddell> I don't understand why ubuntu-dev-tools is needed
[13:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger taught me earlier that we had to authorize it to upload packages to PPA's
[13:37] <jussi01> nixternal: ping
[13:39] <shadeslayer> jussi01: any ideas about PPA's?
[13:40] <jussi01> shadeslayer: youve asked your question, just be patient, and dont ping everyone :)
[13:45] <shadeslayer> jussi01: okies :)
[14:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what PPA do you want to upload to?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i found what i was looking for ;)
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its : manage-credentials
[14:11] <shadeslayer> hit and trial :P
[14:16] <MidMark> Hi I have a quick question if anyone knows, to enable scim to be used with qt4, which plugins I need to compile?
[14:16] <MidMark> Hi I have a quick question if anyone knows, to enable scim to be used with qt4, which qt plugins I need to compile?
[14:18] <Riddell> you need to install scim-bridge-client-qt4
[14:21] <MidMark> Riddell: ok, but if I'm compiling my own qt shall I include that one or something else?
[14:23] <MidMark> like libqtaccessiblewidgets.so is also needed?
[14:23] <Riddell> no that's for the accessiblity stuff not input methods
[14:27] <MidMark> so I just need qcncodecs qjpcodecs qkrcodecs qtwcodecs and that it? inputmethods is built automatically I guess
[14:28] <Riddell> yes
[14:29] <MidMark> cool thanks
[14:30] <MidMark> Riddell: and this scim-bridge-client-qt4 will work with my custom qt as well?
[14:30] <Riddell> it should do, might need a recompile
[14:30] <Riddell> certainly will need to be put in the plugin location for your qt build
[14:31] <MidMark> hmm I'm compiling statically
[14:31] <MidMark> I mean the whole binary is together with qt
[14:38] <Riddell> ScottK or anyone going to be around for the release meeting?  I'm going to be out
[14:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I should be around.
[14:38] <ScottK> What do I need to say?
[14:39] <Riddell> ScottK: see foot of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[14:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:39] <ScottK> I'll take care of it.
[14:39] <Riddell> super
[14:41] <shadeslayer> hmm... kfi broken in karmic?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> i get : http://paste.ubuntu.com/384407/
[14:44]  * Riddell removes kdevelop from the archive and puts it into beta PPA
[14:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Is koffice 2 still in Universe or did it get promoted.
[14:48] <Riddell> ScottK: koffice is now koffice 2 and it is in universe (because upstream weren't too confident of its quality for main)
[14:48] <ScottK> Riddell: So we'll have no koffice in Main for this cycle?
[14:48] <Riddell> right
[14:48] <ScottK> ok
[14:49] <Riddell> koffice and kdevelop are the last two parts of KDE 4 transition pain
[14:50] <ScottK> What's the plan for kdevelop?
[14:50] <Riddell> see above, I just put it in kubuntu-ppa/beta
[14:51] <Riddell> final release isn't until May
[14:51] <ScottK> So it won't be in the archive at all this cycle?
[14:51] <Riddell> right
[14:51] <Riddell> for karmic we left in the beta release and they got all grumpy, it was removed shortly after release
[14:51] <ScottK> But we can put it in lucid-backports right after release....
[14:51] <Riddell> yep
[14:52] <agateau> heh, they don't want users to play with their beloved toys :)
[14:53] <Riddell> they don't want old beta versions hanging around for people to report bugs from long after they've been fixed
[14:53] <shadeslayer> agateau: hehe... well the users wont poke themselves in the eye with the sharp edges of their toys :P
[14:54] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[15:00] <Riddell> dpm: I'm packaging koffice-l10n-xx which will go in universe, what needs to be done to have those installed by users without hainvg to think?  presumably add to something in language-selector?
[15:04] <dpm> Riddell, I'm not sure, sorry. I know language-selector is involved, but Arne tends to take care of the packaging side, and he does not seem to be there today. You could perhaps look at the openoffice.org-l10n-* or thunderbird-locale-* packages to see how they're doing it
[15:07] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> neat: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-February/001140.html
[16:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yay
[16:15] <jetdrone> hey guys are there any junior development tasks to do for helping the kubuntu project? I'd like to participate but don't really know where to start and the wiki doesn't contain much info on that...
[16:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey :)
[16:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was checking the status of libdbusmenu-qt build
[16:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems that the build servers are still broken on that point
[16:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have any info on that point ?
[16:21] <Nightrose> hey jetdrone - nice to hear - Riddell, JontheEchidna and apachelogger can probably give you a good task
[16:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: libqjson is built for days now, and available...
[16:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, good question
[16:24] <Riddell> hi jetdrone, thanks for joining, do stay around
[16:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaics the packages seem to build and archives to be up to date... I don't know who to ping on that point
[16:26] <Riddell>  libqjson-dev being in universe won't help
[16:26] <jetdrone> Cool Nightrose, Riddell, just tell me some project that needs some help. I'll leave this computer for a while and login later
[16:29] <seele> was a decision made on what to do about the installer updates?
[16:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think qjson needs a MIR :(
[16:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum indeed...
[16:31] <Riddell> ooh bug 387392
[16:32] <Riddell> seele: no paticular resolution, I think a behaviour change would need evan convinced to do the code
[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: so the question is, why is qjson in universe then ? :)
[16:33] <Riddell> probably got demoted when kopete-facebook disappeared
[16:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah
[16:34] <Riddell> promoted
[16:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice, I'll restart the builds when available
[16:35] <nixternal> jussi01: pong
[16:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes please retry when it gets into main
[16:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb
[16:44] <ubuntu> Hello
[16:44] <ubuntu> hi Nightrose
[17:28] <Nightrose> hi ubuntu
[17:28] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:28] <Nightrose> whoever you are
[17:32] <ubuntu> The distro of mystery
[17:34]  * ubuntu saves the day and vanishes into the /dev/null
[17:44] <KDesk> Hi, could you remove the python2.5 dependency of the python-kde4 package?   python-kde4 already depends on python (>= 2.5) and python (< 2.7). This causes to have python 2.5 and 2.6 installed at the same time with the Kubuntu backports PPA repo.
[18:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I forgot what I wanted anyway :)
[18:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when did I say that ubuntu-dev-tools is necessary to upload to a PPA?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you didnt..
[18:10] <apachelogger> so why do you claim that I said such nonsense: P
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i meant that ubuntu-dev-tools needed authentication
[18:10] <apachelogger> no doubt I say a lot of nonesense, but usually it is not development related ;)
[18:10] <shadeslayer> i thought i was explicit on that?
[18:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sounds to me like I told you that you need it to uplaod to a PPA
[18:10] <neversfelde> apachelogger: did you read that the kfritz md5 problem is fixed? :)
[18:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i meant that
[18:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but apparently it was taken in some other sense
[18:11] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yep, I would have reviewied it between studying for exam on taxes, but fortunately enough business economics always drives me into deep deep sleep
[18:11] <neversfelde> apachelogger: :)
[18:11]  * apachelogger just slept 5 hours :D
[18:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: anyhow, I also told you that the tools that require authentication will tell you how to obtain that
[18:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and like i said i didnt sleep tight yesterday... woke up at 6 AM :D
[18:12] <apachelogger> which is manage-credentials, and when you lok at the manpage of that you will find the appropriate command to run
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i did find it
[18:13] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:13] <apachelogger> oki ^^
[18:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: from the logs : [13:12] <shadeslayer> markey: oh btw do you know how to authourize ubuntu-dev-tools to upload to a PPA?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> just clearing the air ;)
[18:17] <apachelogger> well, no matter what it sounds bogus :P
[18:17] <allee-m> Riddell:  the new soprano pkgs fixes nepomuk service for a fresh created user.  Thx.    Nevertheless I wonder why use a new-introduced dot dir ~/.cache  in the HOME instead of somewhere below $KDEHOME/share/apps/<whatever>
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bogus?
[18:17] <apachelogger> ubuntu-dev-tools doesn't have anything to do with uploads
[18:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: google dict bogus
[18:17] <kubotu> Results for dict bogus: 1. bogus - definition of bogus by the Free Online Dictionary ...: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bogus | 2. dict.cc Wörterbuch :: bogus :: Deutsch-Englisch-Übersetzung: http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/bogus.html | 3. ftp.dict.org/bogus/TAR_FILES/usr.bin/ - FTP Browser: http://www.filewatcher.com/b/ftp/ftp.dict.org/bogus/TAR_FILES/usr.bin.0.0.html
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i know what it means ><
[18:17] <apachelogger> in that case :P
[18:17] <shadeslayer> ok well ill try to be more explicit next time
[18:18] <apachelogger> kk
[18:20]  * shadeslayer goes and continues playing with the debian/rules
[18:46] <Lex79> Riddell: libphonon symbols is generated at build like the others symbol files, no need to keep symbols.in file if you build with pkg-kde-tools > 0.6, it has new feauture to create symbols (dh --with pkgkde_symbolshelper addon)
[18:47] <Lex79> so if you keep pkgkde-symbolshelper symbolfile -p blablabla in rules, it will ftbs
[19:17] <jussi01> ok, this is curious I have 2 nvidia drivers "activated" and jockey-says neither of them in use? its rather weird me thinks. How do I actually get this machine to use the nvidia driver?
[20:48]  * Lure is a bit concerned that kdevelop4 schedule will cause similar problems as digikam/karmic did :-(
[20:48] <Lure> http://www.kdevelop.org/mediawiki/index.php/KDevelop_4/4.0_Release_Schedule
[20:54] <ScottK> Lure: kdevelop is removed from Lucid for those reasons.
[20:54] <ScottK> It'll be available in lucid-backports once it's released.
[21:10] <Lure> ScottK: ok, better
[21:27] <Riddell> allee-k: soprano isn't part of KDE so can't use .kde
[21:27] <Riddell> ~ninjas 4.4.1 on ktown
[21:27] <kubotu> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, Quintasan and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[21:28] <ScottK> Nice.  Saves me writing a patch to fix a netbook crash.
[22:00] <allee-k> Riddell: on an 'old' account I've also seen that other apps use ~/.cache too.  So it's not a bit deal.  (if it's not KDE, AFAIK .config or .local are FreeDesktop equivs to  .kde/share/{config,apps} respectively)
[22:01] <allee-k> s/bit/big/   but I assume that something to discuss with upstream.
[23:22] <binarylooks> is ubuntuone meant to work in lucid? I tried the gnome client but no success?
[23:44]  * ryanakca wonders from what era these KDE icons are from http://hobbit.ict.griffith.edu.au/~anthony/icons/appl/desktop/3d/Icons.html
[23:48] <apachelogger> ryanakca: They weren't in official kde, were they?
[23:49] <apachelogger> Sure not KDE 2 or 3, they had very distincted icon styles.
[23:50] <ryanakca> apachelogger: not sure... I just followed the link from http://hobbit.ict.griffith.edu.au/~anthony/icons/appl/desktop/Icons.html .
[23:50] <ryanakca> Probably weren't
[23:51] <apachelogger> 3rd party for sure :P
[23:51] <apachelogger> though from the quality I would put them in KDE 1
[23:53]  * ryanakca nods
[23:55] <binarylooks> (I almost don't dar to ask, but is there a ubuntuone plan for lucid? Right now it doesn't work with the gnome client)


[22:11] <bdx> I'm experiencing what appears to be serious lag on the beta controller
[22:11] <bdx> is the beta controller slammed right now?
[22:27] <rick_h> bdx: sec, which cloud/region? What commands are slow? Let me get inside and I'll.pull up the metrics.
[22:41] <bdx> rick_h: `juju status` seems to be lagging .... my applications seem to be lagging in their reacting to eachothers relations/changes
[22:42] <rick_h> bdx: which cloud/region so I can check the right controllers
[22:42] <bdx> rick_h: aws/us-east-1
[22:44] <rick_h> bdx: looking into it
[22:51] <rick_h> bdx: I've got a support ticket in. I'm at a bowling league at the moment but will keep an eye on the status on my laptop and see if I can find any news.
[22:51] <bdx> rick_h: sweet, thx
[22:59] <rick_h> bdx: the metrics was turned off due to the issue earlier today. I've gotten that turned back on. Nothing looks funny. One of them has trace debugging on so turning that off and will keep an eye on it.
[22:59] <rick_h> bdx: but nothing looks off currently. Will watch.


[09:31] <dpm> morning everyone
[10:29] <sagaci> hi dpm
[10:34] <dpm> hey sagaci
[11:32] <dpm> hey everyone, I'm working on the precise language packs. Would anyone be able to help me testing them in Precise? My Precise install just kernel panic'ed...
[12:37] <iceroot> dpm: you are using an eeepc?
[12:38] <iceroot> because of the panics
[12:38] <iceroot> ERROR: apport (pid 24638) Wed Jan  4 13:29:55 2012: is_closing_session(): no DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in environment
[12:38] <iceroot> ERROR: apport (pid 24638) Wed Jan  4 13:29:55 2012: apport: report /var/crash/_usr_sbin_citserver.0.crash already exists and unseen, doing nothing to avoid disk usage DoS
[12:38] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/869502
[12:38] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 869502 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Kernel-Panic with <IP_ADDRESS>-generic on asus eee pcs and msi wind (both using rt2800 wifi chipset) (affects: 64) (dups: 5) (heat: 342)" [High,Triaged]
[12:43] <dpm> iceroot, I've got an msi wind, which seems to be affected by the bug, thanks for the pointer!
[12:43] <iceroot> dpm: we have a workaround
[12:44] <iceroot> finally a working workaround :)
[12:44] <iceroot> iwconfig wlan0 power off
[12:46] <dpm> great, thanks! I'll try that
[12:48] <dpm> unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be working for me
[12:49] <dpm> I get the panic even before the desktop loads
[12:49] <dpm> and executing the command in recovery mode
[12:49] <iceroot> you are getting the panic always?
[12:49] <dpm> yeah
[12:49] <iceroot> maybe start the system wit 2.6.38 (if you still have it) worked also here
[12:50] <dpm> I don't have it, but let me try an older 3.x version...
[12:51] <dpm> looking better... fingers crossed :)
[12:52] <dpm> yeah, desktop loads with the old kernel \o/
[12:52] <iceroot> :)
[12:52] <iceroot> maybe its not "our" wifi-issue then, because all 3.x are affected
[12:52] <dpm> I think I'm going to get the wifi issue on top of that
[12:53] <iceroot> if you have the rt2800pci yes you will hit that for sure
[13:25] <sagaci> kelemengabor: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/libdebconf-kde and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/xen-3.3 appear to be dropped... that should be all of the stray universe/dropped packages
[13:32] <kelemengabor> sagaci: thanks, libdebconf-kde disabled in precise, oneiric, natty, xen-3.3 disabled in precise, oneiric
[13:34] <kelemengabor> also, if anyone wonders, earlier I have disabled plasma-widget-quickaccess in oneiric and precise
[13:40] <dpm> precise language packs being uploaded...
[14:08] <kelemengabor> still on the topic of templates to be disabled: I took a look at texlive-bin, which ships a texinfo template, same as the one shipped by the texinfo package. Looks like this texlive-bin package contains the source of several libraries, some of which contain pot files. I think it is safe to disable these, as we did this already in the past. also, there are three templates: texinfo, which has a template path no longer in bzr, x
[14:08] <kelemengabor> links:
[14:09] <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/texlive-bin/+pots/texinfo-bin/+edit
[14:09] <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/texlive-bin/+pots/freetype/+edit
[14:09] <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/texlive-bin/+imports
[14:09] <kelemengabor> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/86753966/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.texlive-bin_2009-11ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:09] <kelemengabor> iceroot: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/evo-exch/msexchange2.png
[14:11] <iceroot> kelemengabor: great
[14:11] <iceroot> kelemengabor: is that already upstream fixed?
[14:11] <kelemengabor> do you feel like testing a .deb? I'm not 100% sure that everything is right, but cannot test it in lack of an Exchange account.
[14:12] <iceroot> kelemengabor: sure
[14:12] <kelemengabor> no, this is only a beta patch on localhost
[14:12] <kelemengabor> http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/evo-exch/evolution-exchange_3.2.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[14:12] <kelemengabor> here it is
[14:12] <kelemengabor> http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/evo-exch/fix-i18n.patch
[14:12] <kelemengabor> and this is the difference
[14:13] <iceroot> kelemengabor: i will do some testing and give you feedback here
[14:13] <kelemengabor> so no data stealing or anything ;)
[14:13] <kelemengabor> great, thanks!
[14:13] <kelemengabor> I'll clean up a little the patch, and submit it on LP and upstream
[14:13] <iceroot> kelemengabor: the current ubuntu-version is ubuntu3
[14:14] <kelemengabor> although yesterday I got an old evo-exchange bug of mine closed with "this is dead"
[14:14] <kelemengabor> yes, this was made on a checkout from yesterday
[14:14] <iceroot> kelemengabor: ok just for the info, no problem for me
[14:15] <kelemengabor> the only change is I think the g_trhead_init FTBFS, but that is included in my patch too
[14:15] <iceroot> yes i read something about in changelog today
[14:16] <kelemengabor> I'll remove it, it was just quicker this way
[14:19] <iceroot> kelemengabor: perfect, your version is complety shown in german
[14:19] <kelemengabor> even the menu items?
[14:19] <iceroot> menu tabs and the exchange settings are translated correctly
[14:19] <iceroot> yes
[14:19] <kelemengabor> \o/
[14:19] <iceroot> both
[14:19] <iceroot> permissions and the subscribe to other user folders are now correct
[14:19] <kelemengabor> thanks, I'll prepare a proper submission
[14:20] <iceroot> great
[14:20] <iceroot> ** WARNING **: LDAP authentication failed (0xffffffff (Can't contact LDAP server))
[14:20] <iceroot> but i dont think that is an issue of your evo-exchange
[14:20] <kelemengabor> shouldn't be
[14:21] <iceroot> i will do some testing on the ldap-thing because i never set up ldap but i will do testings with ubuntu3
[15:17] <TLE> /quit
[16:06] <TLE> dpm: are we having a meeting now?
[16:07] <dpm> TLE, I got another meeting scheduled and I cannot make it, sorry :( I've sent an e-mail to the utc list
[16:08] <TLE> dpm: ahh ok
[17:20] <iceroot> kelemengabor: thank you for the bug-about and the commit
[17:20] <iceroot> s/about/update
[17:25] <kelemengabor> iceroot: you are welcome :)
[17:30] <kelemengabor> um, I see that is was fixed by an upstream developer - that was not my doing, sorry :(
[17:33] <iceroot> ok, important is, that it is fixed :)


[13:57] <shakes808> morning all,  I asked a question yesterday and then lost connection to the chat.  I am not sure if anyone answered or responded to my question.  Is there a place to see logs of the chat for me the check?


[00:18]  * thumper goes to find lunch
[01:34] <hml> wallyworld: i’m having a brain fart on testing the storageprovisioner panic fix…. what new to add
[01:35] <wallyworld> hml: oh i didn't realise you were looking at it
[01:35] <hml> wallyworld: :-) i can leave the test for someone else…
[01:36] <wallyworld> hml: you could do that. the test would be to add storage and detach it, but the specifics i cannot say of the top of my head
[01:37] <hml> wallyworld: perhaps I should leave for someone more knowledgable here?
[01:37] <hml> the unit tests didn’t catch it
[01:37] <wallyworld> yeah that would be fine
[01:37] <wallyworld> it's EOD for you
[01:38] <hml> okay - good night
[02:45] <wallyworld> axw: for later when you get to it, the 2nd PR is against the first branch https://github.com/wallyworld/juju/pull/45
[06:13] <axw> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8098 addresses the panic. I've not been able to figure out what caused us to get into this state yet
[06:13] <axw> probably going to have to get more details out of IS
[06:31] <axino> hml: pong
[08:09] <wallyworld> axw: looking
[10:46] <wallyworld> axw: 8081 is proosed against develp and not the feature branhc?
[11:03] <axw> wallyworld: doh, thanks
[11:04] <axw> wallyworld: it also includes the peergrouper changes, so if you do review, ignore the first two commits
[13:22] <wallyworld> wpk: i need to land a small upgrade-juju patch for the rc1 release. can you review for me? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8102
[13:23] <wpk> looking...
[13:23] <wallyworld> awesome ty
[13:24] <wallyworld> the code in that area is messy to say the least
[13:24] <wallyworld> it might not be obvious what was done and why
[13:32] <wpk> I'd change 'uploadVersion' fn name to something less 'this function uploads sth'-suggesting
[13:36] <wpk> Other than that - LGTM
[13:40] <wallyworld> wpk: tyvm
[13:47] <wallyworld> wpk: i changed the func name. i realised i started the merge but you haven't hit approve yet
[13:49] <wpk> approved officially
[13:50] <balloons> last bug eh wallyworld?
[13:50] <wallyworld> balloons: yeah. i really wanted to fix upgrades
[13:50] <balloons> that one was a doozy
[13:50] <wallyworld> i *think* it all works much better now
[13:51] <wallyworld> the main thing is you can upgrade to release straight off develop
[13:51] <wpk> merge check failed btw
[13:51] <wallyworld> but you do need to set agent-stream=devel to see the betas etc
[13:52] <wallyworld> yeah, repo error
[13:52] <wallyworld> actually landing appears to be going
[13:53] <balloons> godeps failed in the check merge oddly
[13:53] <wpk> apparently google is messing with their repos
[13:54] <wpk> wpk@minnie:~/dev/src$ go get google.golang.org/api
[13:54] <wpk> # cd .; git clone https://code.googlesource.com/google-api-go-client /home/wpk/dev/src/google.golang.org/api
[13:54] <wpk> Cloning into '/home/wpk/dev/src/google.golang.org/api'...
[13:54] <wpk> fatal: remote error: Git repository not found
[13:54] <wpk> package google.golang.org/api: exit status 128
[13:54] <balloons> wallyworld, you want to land axw's 2 pr's as well?
[13:54] <wallyworld> balloons: nah, they are for feature branch
[13:55] <wallyworld> we will land the entire branch after we fork
[13:55] <balloons> ahh, i see now
[14:06] <wallyworld> balloons: so now we wait on CI. i'm hoping that with these fixes from em and xtian and the official build stuff, things will be a lot better
[14:06] <balloons> wallyworld, did the edge snap work out like you expected?
[14:07] <wallyworld> balloons: i didn't test the snap - ran out of time :-(
[14:07] <balloons> ahh, no worries
[14:07] <wallyworld> all my testing has been with local juju builds
[14:07] <wallyworld> but it should all be the same
[14:12] <wallyworld> balloons: just tested the edge snap - official version appears to work!
[14:13] <balloons> good, i just wanted your input that it looks good to you as well :)
[14:13] <balloons> so we'll ship with your patch
[14:13] <balloons> err, your last pr i mean
[14:13] <wallyworld> that would be good
[14:14] <wallyworld> fewer upgrade complaints
[14:14] <balloons> well, it's a big deal and needs vetted
[15:09] <balloons> wpk, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8103
[15:09] <balloons> can you ack?


[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:42] <dpm> hi nhaines, around?
[20:53] <mhall119> nhaines: hey, ping me if/when you have a minute please
[22:26] <nhaines> mhall119: pong!
[22:27] <mhall119> nhaines: hey, I think we're all good now that ubucon.org is moved to the new site
[22:28] <nhaines> mhall119: I saw that.  It hasn't propgated to my ISP yet, though.  (Although it's fine with T-Mobile, so that's annoying.)
[22:28] <mhall119> nhaines: oh, I know what else I wanted to ask, have you setup a meetup group for California LoCo that we can use to register the UbuCon event?
[22:29] <nhaines> Nope! I almost did that this weekend but got caught up with a rush job a client wanted.  I'm going to look at it now before I do the next job.  :)
[22:36] <mhall119> thanks nhaines
[22:42] <nhaines> mhall119: and done! http://www.meetup.com/UbuntuCalifornia/
[22:44] <pleia2> neat, scary
[22:45] <tsimonq2> like my away message :(
[22:45] <tsimonq2> scary
[22:46] <nhaines> Maybe I should have left the hyphen in.
[22:46] <nhaines> All URLs now broken!  \o/
[22:46] <nhaines> http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-California/
[23:01] <nhaines> mhall119: www.ubucon.org doesn't resolve.  Whom do I have to poke to get a CNAME record set up for that?
[23:15] <mhall119> nhaines: richard I believe
[23:16] <mhall119> yay, our map is growing! http://www.meetup.com/pro/ubuntu/
[23:25] <nhaines> Yay!
[23:25] <nhaines> Also I think the Catalan team is registered twice, so... I think someone should look into that.  :)


[01:05] <teward> can anyone confirm the zsync file for the 20.04.1 server iso doesn't work for them with zsync?
[01:05] <teward> using a 20.04 machine it just errors on could not read control file
[01:08] <sdeziel> teward: I get that when the zsync file comes from an HTTPS URL
[01:08] <teward> o.O
[01:08] <teward> so it hates HTTP? o.O
[01:08] <teward> https*
[01:08] <sdeziel> teward: dropping to HTTP worked for me
[01:08] <teward> oh ffs >.<
[01:08] <teward> ffor fudge sake >.>
[01:08] <teward> *kicks ZSync around*
[01:08] <teward> that'll need fixed.
[01:09] <teward> in the interim... *kicks around VSphere*
[01:09] <teward> doing some network maintenance so I can get netflow stuff working hehehehehehehe
[05:32] <ubone> can nginx-light load a dynamically built module?
[08:50] <lordievader> Good morning
[17:28] <luna_> :)


[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> hi again
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> does start on stopping networking
[11:17] <pmjdebruijn> block networking until the job where it is defined finishes
[11:17] <pmjdebruijn> because it seems it's not
[11:31] <jhunt> pmjdebruijn: yes - as shown in upstart-events(8), "stopping" is a hook type event, which blocks.
[11:39] <pmjdebruijn> hmmm very odd
[11:40] <pmjdebruijn> start on (stopping networking) should execute this script before bringing down the networking
[11:41] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait
[11:41] <pmjdebruijn> networking is a boot only job
[11:42] <pmjdebruijn> which explains me issue
[11:42] <pmjdebruijn> networking down is an rc job
[11:42] <pmjdebruijn> hmmm
[11:51] <pmjdebruijn> jhunt: thanks
[19:50] <vaxerdec> hello, i am looking for a way to modify environment of upstart itself, so that all children will get certain environment variables.  i.e. global export
[19:51] <vaxerdec> either that, or some way to run a job that exports stuff in the environment prior to execution of any job
[19:52] <vaxerdec> i read section on environment in cookbook, and in manual, and doesn't seem to be a way.  i'd have to manually change the environment in all job scripts
[19:53] <vaxerdec> which is enormous duplication of course...
[19:53] <vaxerdec> any way to do this?
[22:48] <SpamapS> vaxerdec: interesting idea... while I look at the source code to see whats possible.. what environment variable do you want to override?
[22:56] <SpamapS> vaxerdec: far as I see its not really doable in an obvious way
[23:26] <vaxerdec> it's perfect candidate for use of /etc/init/init.conf
[23:26] <vaxerdec> unless there are some other plans for that
[23:27] <vaxerdec> well in particular i want SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=1 and DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=
[23:29] <vaxerdec> because (1) i have to contend with some systemd infection on this (fedora15) system and (2) i do not use dbus at all for any purpose and don't want it starting up as it seems to want to do, annoyingly
[23:30] <vaxerdec> probably i'd use it for pulseaudio too, another irritation
[23:30] <vaxerdec> although /etc/pulse/client.conf using autospawn=0 might be all i need for the latter case
[23:31] <SpamapS> vaxerdec: yeah I agree, /etc/init/init.conf would be a good place for global environment variables
[23:32] <vaxerdec> everyone seems to forget that not everyone is using a huge bloated gnome operating system on their machine
[23:32] <vaxerdec> i mean what about people that just want to run twm or something
[23:33] <vaxerdec> at least you can do it with upstart.  systemd just puts its hands in everything.
[23:33] <vaxerdec> pulls in all kinds of requirements
[23:34] <vaxerdec> i mean look at this statement in shutdown(8) on a systemd-infected  system:
[23:34] <vaxerdec> NOTES This is a legacy command available for compatibility only.
[23:34] <vaxerdec> i mean "shutdown" is a legacy command?
[23:35] <vaxerdec> shutdown?
[23:35] <vaxerdec> next /bin/sh will be "legacy"
[23:35] <vaxerdec> it's going to be unrecognizable... not unix anymore
[23:37] <vaxerdec> it's nice mr pottering wants to make his own operating system but why does everyone else have to be sucked into whatever willy nilly new paradigm and program requirements that he feels like
[23:37] <SpamapS> vaxerdec: thats why we like upstart .. it does one thing well.. glad you see that. :)
[23:39] <vaxerdec> yes, i'm trying to run my fedora system with it and it's working but i don't know if i'll be successful with fedora16
[23:40] <vaxerdec> i may have to jump ship to ubuntu, i dare say
[23:40] <vaxerdec> or gentoo or something
[23:40] <SpamapS> slangasek has been working on making upstart an alternative in debian
[23:41] <vaxerdec> that's great, i hope they don't go the systemd way
[23:42] <vaxerdec> upstart versus systemd is a big split...
[23:42] <vaxerdec> big pain for upstreams too
[23:43] <vaxerdec> well, upstart does have their own too
[23:44] <vaxerdec> native init scripts that is
[23:44] <vaxerdec> i guess upstreams will be forced to make a sysv, an upstart, and a systemd
[23:47] <SpamapS> Yeah, it would be good if the two shared a common "start things this way" format. :p
[23:47] <SpamapS> LSB-init wasn't so bad.. this idea that the shell slows things down too much is kind of crazy IMO.. dash is lightning fast.