[00:02] <poolie> bdrung, are you a u-d-tools maintainer?
[00:02] <poolie> are you asking me to do it, or asking me if i think it's sane?
[00:03] <bdrung> poolie: yes (look at the changelog)
[00:03] <bdrung> poolie: i am asking you to pull the script into lptools
[00:04] <poolie> is there a mp for it?
[00:04] <bdrung> no
[00:09] <bdrung> poolie: would that speed the thing up?
[00:40] <poolie> bdrung, ah, not especially
[00:40] <poolie> well, it depends
[00:40] <poolie> if it's just "copy this one file" i can do it
[00:40] <poolie> if other rearrangements are needed and you did them that would make things faster
[00:40] <bdrung> poolie: it should be just "copy this one file"
[00:41] <bdrung> poolie: (adjust setup.py, add to copyright and description, check dependencies)
[00:42] <poolie> ok, i'll try to do that
[02:52] <magcius> Does Launchpad have an IRC bugbot system?
[02:53] <lifeless> what do you mean ?
[02:55] <magcius> Is there an official or set of third-party IRC bugbots?
[02:56] <lifeless> we don't have a official set of irc integration things; there are a few around
[02:56] <lifeless> there's mup
[02:56] <lifeless> and ubot5
[02:57] <lifeless> bug 34
[02:57] <lifeless> bug 234
[02:57] <lifeless> better :P
[02:57] <lifeless> I think someone wrote a twisted one as well
[03:00] <magcius> lifeless, is there a CIA-like thing that gives updates on LP bugs?
[03:02] <lifeless> I don't know, whats a CIA think
[03:02] <lifeless> *thing*
[03:03] <magcius> lifeless, http://cia.vc
[03:03] <magcius> But for bugs.
[03:06] <lifeless> I guess
[03:06] <lifeless> just plug an rss consumer to an irc emitter?
[05:19] <damascene> Hi,
[05:20] <damascene> Please. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979
[06:22] <poolie> damascene, hi
[06:22] <poolie> damascene, i'm not clear what you want to have done
[06:23] <poolie> reassignment of the teams, or for someone to tell you who the translators are
[06:33] <damascene> poolie: there is no official launchpad translation team for Arabic
[06:34] <damascene> we want to make ~lp-l10n-ar the official one
[06:38] <damascene> https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/launchpad-translators
[06:38] <damascene> I've replayed to your question in launchpad
[07:00] <damascene> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArabicTranslationTeam/Rules could we set the direction to RTL?
[07:15] <damascene> another question. if some one joined a team will he be added to the team mail list too?
[07:57] <persia> damascene, It's optional, selected on a per-user basis, in their personal preferences.
[07:58] <damascene> I understand that I can add my team members my self to the team mailing list?
[07:58] <damascene> right?
[07:59] <damascene> *can not
[08:03] <persia> Right.  It's a preference, by user, which only they can set.
[08:18] <damascene> could we set the direction to RTL? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArabicTranslationTeam/Rules
[08:22] <damascene> Please. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979
[10:09] <geser> wgrant: can the armel builds with the intermixed logs be given-back or do you still need them for inspection?
[10:10] <wgrant> geser: You can give them back.
[11:07] <cjwatson> is Launchpad supposed to expire bugs which were marked Incomplete, then had replies from the original reporter, but nobody got round to removing the Incomplete status?
[11:07] <cjwatson> this seems distinctly suboptimal - it's not the reporter's fault we were slack about keeping the status up to date
[11:07] <cjwatson> bug 681280 is an example of this
[11:08] <cjwatson> (I've since marked it Invalid, but nevertheless)
[11:11] <damascene> Please. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979
[12:49] <honeypot> I didn't find ppa repositories in sources.list but they still exist... how to remove them plz
[12:51] <persia> honeypot, That question is better asked in #ubuntu ( check in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ )
[12:53] <honeypot> persia, thank you! I installed VLC 1.1.15 from PPA and apparently x264 is broken... do you have any idea abou the issue?
[12:53] <persia> No, but again, this isn't the right channel for that sort of question.
[12:54] <honeypot> persia: does the question concern ubuntu too?
[12:55] <persia> Either Ubuntu (in which case #ubuntu is the right place), or the PPA (in which case you need to find a channel for the PPA owner)
[12:55] <honeypot> I see! thank you so much persia!
[13:44] <runeks> hello all
[13:47] <damascene> Please. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979
[14:18] <xrg_> benji: some help for a private project, please, prv.
[14:34] <maxb> (just fixing spacing and trimming)
[14:49] <shadeslayer> hi, im getting "No Such resource" links on Launchpad
[14:49] <shadeslayer> in private PPA's
[14:51] <benji> shadeslayer: can you give me an example?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> https://i62771573.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/62771573/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.kdebase-workspace_4:4.6.0a-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=1d214901ae6be78103e1ac01e87509d5
[14:51] <shadeslayer> that gives me "No Such Resource"
[14:51] <shadeslayer> ive been logged in for a very long time
[14:53] <shadeslayer> nope .. same thing with cache emptied
[14:53] <benji> shadeslayer: I'm not very familiar with PPAs, but the "FAILEDTOBUILD" in that URL makes me suspicious
[14:53] <shadeslayer> benji: yes, the package failed to build, i want to look at the build logs, but i cant
[14:55] <shadeslayer> yeah ... build logs from normal PPA's open up fine
[14:55] <benji> shadeslayer: ok, let me see what I can figure out
[14:55] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[14:56] <shadeslayer> benji: my user id is : ~rohangarg
[14:56] <shadeslayer> if that helps
[14:57] <benji> thanks
[15:18] <exarkun> So I want a mailing list for https://launchpad.net/divmod.org
[15:18] <exarkun> But I want people to be able to subscribe to the list without having commit access
[15:18] <exarkun> What shall I do?
[15:19] <benji> shadeslayer: can you point me to the page that had the link that gave you "No Such Resource"?
[15:19] <shadeslayer> benji: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa << click on the FTBFS on the left
[15:19] <shadeslayer> erm
[15:19] <shadeslayer> s/left/right
[15:20] <jml> exarkun: make an open team that's separate from the devs, add the devs to that team.
[15:20] <jml> exarkun: as in, add the dev team to that team
[15:20] <exarkun> okay.  where's the ui for creating teams?
[15:21] <exarkun> ah, there's a link on the front page.
[15:21] <jml> exarkun: linked off the front page. https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[15:21] <jml> yes.
[15:21]  * jml wishes this was better
[15:25] <benji> shadeslayer: you're using Chromium?
[15:25] <exarkun> jml: thanks
[15:25] <shadeslayer> benji: yes
[15:25] <jml> exarkun: np
[15:26] <benji> shadeslayer: this is the result of a chromium bug; visit https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2221542/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.kdebase-workspace_4%3A4.6.0a-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz in Firefox to get a new token and you should be able to see the logs.
[15:26] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:26]  * shadeslayer tries with rekonq
[15:28] <shadeslayer> benji: thanks :)
[15:51] <fta> did you file a bug against chromium for that?
[16:10] <damascene> Please. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979
[16:36] <fta> danilo, hi, yt?
[16:43] <OdyX> Hrm. Do I need to manually restart "Dependency wait" builds in my PPA (if I know it will get solved automagically in some hours) ?
[16:44] <bigjools> OdyX: no it will be automatically retried
[16:44] <OdyX> bigjools: nice; thanks.
[16:51] <maxb> Although topic of #launchpad-dev says: firefighting: builds are not retrying at the moment /
[16:51] <maxb> ?
[16:53] <hagna> so launchpad has bzr, svn and git support?
[16:56] <maxb> Launchpad has native bzr support.
[16:56] <maxb> It also has support for automatically import cvs svn git hg into bzr branches
[16:56] <maxb> *importing
[17:12] <OdyX> maxb: it'd be nice if it worked… I just uploaded 5 chained Build-Deps on natty-maverick-lucid, which makes 15 clicks at separate hours in the day. Sigh.
[17:13] <OdyX> huh, s/15/30/ as we have two arches...
[17:38] <bigjools> OdyX, maxb: there was a problem with the retry process yesterday but it was fixed in a few hours
[17:38] <maxb> #lp-dev topic is out of date?
[17:39] <OdyX> bigjools: nice. And yeah, as maxb tells :-)
[17:39] <maxb> ah, not any more :-)
[17:39] <OdyX> and a last curiosity, what's the usual delay ?
[17:42] <bigjools> it checks every hour
[18:37] <micahg> I've been seeing a lot of upstream importance changing to Unknown, is this a known issue
[19:06] <damascene> Please. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/108979
[19:28] <deryck> micahg, we know about it for Freedesktop.org.  Are there other trackers that this has happened for?
[19:29] <deryck> I'm guessing since you asked, it must be Mozilla Bugzilla, too. :-)
[19:31] <bdmurray> deryck: is there a bug to follow or something for freedesktop.org?
[19:32] <deryck> bdmurray, yes.  let me look and see what the number is....
[19:33] <micahg> deryck: might be just freedesktop.org (some mozilla stuff ended up being someone else's issue :))
[19:34] <deryck> ah ok :-)
[19:34] <deryck> bdmurray, bug 707478
[19:35] <bdmurray> deryck: thanks!
[19:36] <deryck> np!
[20:03] <nagappan> I would like to do a daily build in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/at-spi2-core based on http://git.gnome.org/browse/at-spi2-core any help is highly appreciated
[20:55] <rsalveti> hey, I got a fail to upload while updating a package at ubuntu, can someone help me looking into that?
[20:55] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbook-launcher-efl/0.3.2-0ubuntu6/+buildjob/2192578
[20:56] <rsalveti> hm, seems to be ok now, let me check again
[20:57] <rsalveti> yup, got one email saying that if failed but it's fine now
[20:57] <rsalveti> so, forget about it :-)
[21:34] <17SAATG2O> Hello. Are mailing lists not working or is it just me?
[21:35] <lifeless> we're not away of any incident with them
[21:35] <lifeless> what are your symptoms
[21:35] <17SAATG2O> lifeless: since today (~12 hours ago) my mails don't even appear in the archives
[21:35] <17SAATG2O> of https://lists.launchpad.net/olrait/
[21:37] <lifeless> 17SAATG2O: possibly they are in the moderator queue? are you sending from your regular address?
[21:38] <17SAATG2O> no, moderation queue empty. But I noticed in this moment that today, when I clicked "unsuscribe" and got instead an error message, it did unsubscribe me
[21:38] <lifeless> if you're not subscribed, your mails will go into moderation
[21:38] <17SAATG2O> (though I was trying precisely because it didn't work, for the moment I'll try to resubscribe and retry)
[21:38] <17SAATG2O> moderation is empty
[21:39] <lifeless> sinzui: non subscribers mails - do they need moderation or get dropped?
[21:40] <sinzui> lifeless: yes, but the rules are clever than that
[21:40] <lifeless> sinzui: yes dropped or yes moderation ?
[21:42] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: lifeless all team members, and anyone ever approved to send to the list. messages from non-approved address are moderated. emails with addresses that are not registered to Lp users are discarded
[21:42] <17SAATG2O> well, I tried from both my Launchpad registered addresses, and I'm a team member
[21:43] <17SAATG2O> could anyone of you try to send an email, so I should see it in moderation?
[21:43] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: Lp needs about 10 minutes to sync membership/subscription changes to mailman, but I think that time has passed
[21:44] <17SAATG2O> yep, since months...
[21:45] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: what is your Lp id?, who are you in this list https://launchpad.net/~olrait/+mailing-list-subscribers
[21:46] <17SAATG2O> "Pietro Battiston"
[21:46] <17SAATG2O> (2nd in 2nd column)
[21:46] <sinzui> thanks
[21:46] <17SAATG2O> (by the way: I _created_ the group, in case that matters)
[21:47] <sinzui> I have seen two cases where the list operates, but the emails do not arrive for the subscriber...
[21:47] <sinzui> The most common case, affecting a  number of users, is that their own mailer is not forwarding the emails to this list....
[21:48] <17SAATG2O> well... I just sent a mail to another (mailman (non-lp) operated) ml, with no problem (in case that matters)
[21:48] <sinzui> The rarest case affect one person, me specifically, mailman rejects my signed emails. It hates something about my gpg sig and I personally blame barry (author of the mailman).
[21:50] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: send a test email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I am looking at the moderation queue right no
[21:50] <sinzui> right now
[21:50] <17SAATG2O> done
[21:50] <17SAATG2O> wait, it's sending
[21:50] <17SAATG2O> done
[21:51] <sinzui> I get it
[21:51] <jhobbs> is there a way to change my launchpad email address?
[21:52] <17SAATG2O> jhobbs: https://launchpad.net/~toobaz/+editemails (replace "toobaz" with your user id)
[21:52] <jhobbs> great - thanks 17SAATG2O
[21:53] <jhobbs> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[21:53] <17SAATG2O> yw
[21:53] <jhobbs> :\
[21:53] <sinzui> jhobbs: yes. the link is the odd pencil icon next your email address. Be careful though. Launchpad uses Ubuntu's SSO to do authentication. If you delete an address that is used to login, oddness will happen
[21:53] <sinzui> jhobbs: login first
[21:54] <sinzui> jhobbs: note that login.launchpad.net is really login.ubuntu.com so that keep a separate list of email addresses.
[21:55] <17SAATG2O> sinzui: by the way, today the mailing list got _no_ emails... I wonder if it's a coincidence or it just stopped working
[21:55] <jhobbs> ok.. i can add a new one, but the old one doesn't have a "remove" option and remains preferred
[21:56] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: 1. I think you email is fine, I think your address is fine. You *might* have emails in ~olrait moderation queue but 2. I agree your emails should just arrive in th archive
[21:56] <jhobbs> ah i got it
[21:56] <jhobbs> different page to change preferred =)
[21:57] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: since mailman was happy to forward the email to the lp-users moderate queue, I think it is fine. Lets prove me wrong. send one more to launchpad-users and I will approve to go to the list. I will check if it arrives in my inbox and the archive.
[21:59] <17SAATG2O> done
[22:00] <sinzui> we are now in the 10 minute waiting period
[22:13] <17SAATG2O> ?
[22:15] <Meths> benji: Is that tomorrow lunchtime?
[22:17] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: No email to me or the archive. I have sent a second email to another list and have not seen it. I will find an admin to see if mailman needs to be restarted to purge its queues
[22:17] <17SAATG2O> sinzui: thanks
[22:17] <lifeless> sinzui: does the heartbeat patch help with this?
[22:19] <Meths> nm
[22:19] <sinzui> hmm I see other lists are getting emails today
[22:21] <sinzui> oh sweet, natty's calendar saves state...I cannot tell what today is
[22:23] <sinzui> lifeless: I assume the heartbeat patch should be screaming if there is no xmlrpc issue. This issue is about a non-launchpad feature. mailman just forwards and archives without Lp being up
[22:23] <sinzui> We know xmlrpc is fine because Lp and mailman are exchanging information, and it is happening in seconds
[22:26] <sinzui> lifeless: 17SAATG2O my test email to ~haibunku arrived It took 20 minutes, and I do not see it in the archive yet
[22:27] <Whoopie> Hi, I have still the issue with my PPA that packages hang here as built, but not published. Is this a known problem?
[22:27] <bigjools> Whoopie: if you give me the PPA URL and package name I can check
[22:28] <Whoopie> bigjools: https://launchpad.net/~whoopie79/+archive/testing/+packages
[22:28] <Whoopie> bigjools: it's the gnome-settings-daemon package. Thanks for your help.
[22:33] <bigjools> Whoopie: something is broken, I'm not sure what.  Still looking.
[22:33] <Whoopie> bigjools: it just happens with my testing PPA. My main PPA is working properly.
[22:44] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: your email arrived to the list. I am uncertain if the mailman restart made it arrive. Please send a test email your own list and launchpad-user again
[22:45] <17SAATG2O> done
[22:47] <17SAATG2O> yep, this time it arrived
[22:49] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: really? I see you lp-user email did not get moderated, but I have not gotten it
[22:49] <17SAATG2O> on my mailing list it worked
[22:49] <17SAATG2O> (though it's still not in the archive)
[22:50] <sinzui> I wonder if there is a backlog to the smtp. the archive happens after the smtp
[22:51] <sinzui> 17SAATG2O: I will continue to look into this. I hope everything of okay for you, but I suspect mail delivery to the archive may be like rolling dice.
[22:52] <sinzui> well the archive is behind a proxy. The archive may be working fine
[22:52] <17SAATG2O> well, for the moment I have a backlog of time awake... thanks a lot for help. If any input is needed from me, you know my email address
[23:14] <Whoopie> bigjools: looks like it's a bigger issue as expected?
[23:15] <bigjools> yeah, nothing I can do in the short term :(
[23:15] <bigjools> I can't actually see anything wrong yet, it's just not getting published
[23:29] <Whoopie> bigjools: if it's easier for you, you can reset the whole PPA. Just tell me so that I can download the packages to my PC.
[23:29] <bigjools> Whoopie: don't do that, we need the evidence intact
[23:29] <bigjools> you can download the packages direct from the UI if you need them
[23:30] <Whoopie> bigjools: ok, it was just an offer. I leave everything like it's now.
[23:30] <bigjools> I am going to pass the problem to someone else since it's near my EoD
[23:30] <Whoopie> sure
[23:30] <bigjools> Whoopie: understood, thanks
[23:30] <bigjools> but I'm just filing a bug about it
[23:31] <Whoopie> could you tell me the bug number then so that I can monitor it? Or is it internally?
[23:32] <bigjools> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/707715
[23:33] <bigjools> wgrant: I assigned it to you, I figured you'd be around by now...
[23:33] <Whoopie> thanks
[23:42] <wgrant> bigjools: /win 8
[23:42] <wgrant> Argh.
[23:42] <wgrant> bigjools: It is a public holiday here.
[23:43] <bigjools> ah some funky Australia day
[23:43] <wgrant> Yeah.
[23:44] <wgrant> Have you investigated at all?
[23:44] <bigjools> got as far as seeing the pending publication
[23:44] <bigjools> and p-d ignoring it :/
[23:44] <bigjools> I was doing your QA so I didn't have any more time to look
[23:45] <wgrant> Whoopie: On https://launchpad.net/~whoopie79/+archive/testing/+edit, is the 'Publish' flag checked?
[23:46] <Whoopie> wgrant: oh, no!
[23:46] <wgrant> bigjools: Can I pleeeeeease remove that flag and let OEM set it through the API pretty please?
[23:47] <bigjools> grar..........
[23:47] <Whoopie> wgrant: haven't changed it though.
[23:47] <Whoopie> enabled it now.
[23:47] <bigjools> wgrant: we agreed to put it on the +admin page
[23:48] <wgrant> bigjools: Ah, OK. I knew that was suggested, but not agreed upon.
[23:48] <bigjools> Whoopie: but I don't believe that you never changed it :)
[23:48] <bigjools> it's probably the default focused widget and susceptible to the space bar :/
[23:50] <Whoopie> bigjools: not that I know of. But you might be right. Sorry for the inconvenience.
[23:50] <Whoopie> wgrant: ^ sorry
[23:51] <bigjools> Whoopie: no trouble at all, it's a usability issue we need to fix
[23:51] <Whoopie> will the package be published after some time, or do I need to upload again?
[23:51] <bigjools> it will publish shortly
[23:52] <Whoopie> great
[23:52] <bigjools> wgrant: the other option is a warning banner saying that publishing is disabled, containing a link to re-enable it
[23:52] <wgrant> bigjools: Possibly. But the use case for that is somewhat tiny.
[23:52] <bigjools> wgrant: check with Cody
[23:52] <bigjools> anyway I have to go
[23:53] <wgrant> Will do.
[23:53] <wgrant> Thanks.
[23:53] <bigjools> g'night


[03:26] <mfisch> bdmurray: I assume your ~brian @ people.ubuntu.com?
[03:27] <mfisch> bdmurray: if so, this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/EasyTasks links to an invalid URL at that site, look at the line that says "Bugs without a package with attachment(s)"
[04:53] <dlentz> the bug watch updater keeps overriding changes in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/863504
[04:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863504 in ubuntu "Steelseries Xai mouse causing slow resume from suspend" [Undecided,Fix released]
[09:43] <iceroot> can someone mark this as high/critical? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/976425
[09:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 976425 in flashplugin-nonfree "Flashplugin-installer not giving flash in browsers" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:57] <iceroot> or maybe i am just getting the bug wrong (#4) :)
[13:24] <mrp> trying to work out whether I should lodge a bug about cifs see http://pastebin.com/dp5i1tb2
[13:24] <mrp> ~/media is a cifs mounted share
[13:24] <mrp> seems to not like 128k chunks
[16:35] <penguin42> is there some docs about what this new whoopsie thing does?
[16:38] <kklimonda> penguin42: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker
[16:39] <penguin42> kklimonda: I read that, it's a design doc that doesn't seem to match reality
[16:39] <penguin42> kklimonda: certainly crashes.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to exist
[16:40] <kklimonda> penguin42: it's http://daisy.ubuntu.com ALTHOUGH the browsing is not enabled yet ;)
[16:40] <penguin42> kklimonda: So, how's it supposed to work in the future when triaging stuff?
[16:41] <kklimonda> so I think you get a blank page when you go there
[16:43] <kklimonda> penguin42: I can't really open the ErrorTracker page at the moment (my network connection is an equivalent of 33.6kbit modem) but whoopsie should be doing what's described there (or on a similar page - I was sure I read about it there) i.e. sending crash reports to the centralized DB and handling duplicated "reports" without requiring users to register on LP
[16:45] <penguin42> kklimonda: So is whoopsie sending data for more things than stuff that was currently lp bugs, or does it always file a corresponding lp bug if there isn't a match?
[16:45] <kklimonda> penguin42: I haven't seen any bugs filled by whoopsie, I don't expect it doing this
[16:46] <penguin42> kklimonda: So it files crash data without bugs?
[16:46] <kklimonda> penguin42: I think the difference is whoopsie will be running also after the release
[16:46] <kklimonda> penguin42: yeah, that's the most sensible thing to do
[16:47] <kklimonda> penguin42: it doesn't require users to register to LP and it doesn't give you any way of contacting them
[16:47] <penguin42> kklimonda: OK, so as a triager when do I look at that data, do I browse through crash reports in there on a package I'm interested in, or does something tie them up to other lp bugs?
[16:48] <kklimonda> penguin42: I don't think it's been yet decided - so far "we" (triagers and most developers) don't even have access to this new database.
[16:48] <penguin42> kklimonda: That makes for an interesting situation
[16:51] <kklimonda> penguin42: oh, how so?
[16:52] <penguin42> kklimonda: Well for those of us just helping on triage doesn't it make it harder for us?
[16:52] <kklimonda> (I do agree that there is very little info about what whoopsie is, and how does it fit with LP - what I know is what I got from reading through the source, and ubuntu wiki)
[16:53] <penguin42> Yeh, I'd kind of hope someone who knew would mail bug-{squad/control}
[16:53] <kklimonda> penguin42: we can just ignore the new DB completely
[16:55] <penguin42> kklimonda: So bugs reported using ubuntu-bug will still get the stuff uploaded to lp in the same way?
[16:55] <dlentz> penguin42, the bug you fixed for me is possessed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/863504
[16:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 863504 in ubuntu "Steelseries Xai mouse causing slow resume from suspend" [Undecided,Fix released]
[16:55] <kklimonda> penguin42: most likely, whoopsie collects only crashes
[16:56] <penguin42> dlentz: Yes I know, I'm not sure what to do about it, any ideas kklimonda
[16:56] <kklimonda> penguin42: and crashes are too hard to triage for most volunteers not familiar with the affected software anyway
[16:56] <penguin42> kklimonda: Yeh but those are the type of crashes I tend to triage (and fix)
[16:58] <penguin42> kklimonda: It's like bugs 432861 and 965341 that I fixed a few days ago - simple segs
[16:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 432861 in procps "kill -s crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432861
[16:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 965341 in procps "watch command line utility crashes with segfault when processing binary output" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965341
[16:58] <kklimonda> penguin42: well, I guess they'll make it easy to convert whoopsie crashes into LP bugs, and cross reference them with each other for those of us who can actually make something out of them. But I think it's developers who are the primary target of this service - now if only we made it easy for them to update software we'd be all set
[17:00] <penguin42> kklimonda: Nod, it would be nice to see someone involved explain how it's supposed to work


[10:28] <grv> hi all. A question. What is better for you? 16.04 LTS or the newest 17.10?
[13:23] <lubuntu_user45> I just upgraded to lubuntu 17.10
[13:24] <lubuntu_user45> but wine doesnt launch
[13:39] <leszek> lubuntu_user45: any error message?
[13:44] <lubuntu_user45> none
[13:48] <lubuntu_user45> it just wont launch
[15:13] <AUMC> trying to install lubbuntu on an old MSi Wind Notebook. Install went well, get to the login screen but have garbled text on the left 3/4 of the screen and a narrow desktop and menubar on the right 1/4 of the screen. can't see login window. Can't see shutdown and reboot modal windows, but can still select reboot and hit the enter key to get it to move on. any thoughts?
[15:13] <AUMC> The Wind Notebook is an Atom driven netbook
[15:21] <berne> hey
[15:22] <berne> im having trouble with lubuntu in a netbook
[15:23] <berne> only the right side of the screen appears normal after installation
[15:54] <AUMC> so, is it a netbook thing?
[15:58] <glsmaxx> Is Lubuntu a lot OR a little lighter than Xubuntu?
[16:00] <glsmaxx> My daily driver is dropping 32 bit systems and I have a fairly good history using both Lubuntu AND Xubuntu.
[16:06] <glsmaxx> I could go with regular Ubunto but I really do not like Gnome OR Unity. I really am a XFCE kinda guy but do not have anything against LXDE. Thus with using fewer resources is going to be a big part of my decision.
[16:07] <glsmaxx> I will sure miss my ability to just pick and download programs. I do not like the idea of having to mess with PPAs either. Guess one has to do what one has to do..
[16:10] <AUMC> trying to install lubbuntu on an old MSi Wind Notebook (Atom netbook). Install went well, get to the login screen but have garbled text on the left 3/4 of the screen and a narrow desktop and menubar on the right 1/4 of the screen. can't see login window. Can't see shutdown and reboot modal windows, but can still select reboot and hit the enter key to get it to move on. any thoughts?
[16:36] <krytarik> AUMC: LP bug 1724639.
[16:45] <krytarik> AUMC: Try the "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text" workaround mentioned in the comments there.
[17:02] <AUMC> krytarik, I'll take a look.
[17:11] <AUMC> krytarik: challenge with modifying the grub, is I can't read the terminal. is this something I modify in the installer and then reinstall?
[17:16] <krytarik> AUMC: Try if the console on e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F1 is more readable, otherwise can either do it in recovery mode, or on the Grub screen directly.
[17:16] <agaida> AUMC: or boot directly into 3
[17:17] <agaida> there was a key for enter boot before automagically start the graphical environment
[17:17] <agaida> erm - enter grub
[17:41] <lynorian> agaida, I am pretty sure it was shift
[17:42] <agaida> lynorian: i'm a registered member of "plymouth haters" since 2009 :)
[17:43] <lynorian> when something goes wrong with plymouth it is quite annoying
[17:46] <agaida> right - i like the idea, but i really don't like to be forced to use plymouth if i don't have any reason to do so - ok, it is the only working solution to serialize inputs with parallel starts - but i still don't need it, even if it is much better now
[17:47] <agaida> lynorian: esp. i really hate it in servers :D
[18:31] <lynorian> I really don't see why you would put plymouth on a server
[18:33] <agaida> i know some reasons - if nobody changed it mountall still depends on plymouth, i think cryptsetup even
[18:33] <agaida> :)
[18:36] <agaida> introduced by J. Remnand years ago - there was several attemts to lower it to Recommends, but all bugs was closed with a plain "No, never" - so we rebuild every new version without the dependency - ok, never done this again since i switched later to arch ...
[19:04] <unitypunk> ohai
[19:05] <unitypunk> anyone got a few mins to help me troubleshoot some wifi?
[19:05] <wxl> unitypunk: go for it
[19:06] <unitypunk> am on an OLD pc, thinkpad a30, it sees the card, but just redundantly asks for wep/wpa pass
[19:06] <wxl> ew don't use wep
[19:06] <unitypunk> fresh install of 16.04
[19:06] <unitypunk> nah
[19:06] <wxl> can you actually connect ot the ap?
[19:06] <unitypunk> wpa2
[19:06] <unitypunk> 4 other devices are currently connected to the ap
[19:07] <wxl> what about with the pc?
[19:07] <unitypunk> ... no.
[19:07] <unitypunk> it just redundantly asks for the password.
[19:07] <wxl> use `lspci -nnk` to get me the information on the card
[19:07] <wxl> i especially want to know the name, pci id (in brackets, the first one), and kernel module being used
[19:07] <wxl> as well as if any other kernel modules are available
[19:08] <unitypunk> hmm spam a few lines why not?
[19:08] <unitypunk> 02:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Intersil Corporation ISL3874 [Prism 2.5]/ISL3872 [Prism 3] [1260:3873] (rev 01)
[19:08] <unitypunk> 	Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc ISL3874 [Prism 2.5]/ISL3872 [Prism 3] [1668:0406]
[19:08] <unitypunk> 	Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
[19:08] <unitypunk> 	Kernel modules: hostap_pci
[19:09] <wxl> oh my. never heard of that :O
[19:09] <unitypunk> its.. old..
[19:10] <unitypunk> ¨designed for windows xp¨ sticker on it still :D
[19:10] <wxl> ok that's a support device by that driver
[19:11] <wxl> oh my you may need to flash some firmware or something :/
[19:12] <unitypunk> hmm
[19:12] <unitypunk> i dont have much expirence with that.
[19:12] <wxl> yeah most people don't
[19:12] <unitypunk> but i could reinstall xp and try to find the firmware i guess
[19:12] <wxl> let's check what you have
[19:13] <agaida> https://wiki.debian.org/hostap
[19:13] <wxl> yeah
[19:13] <wxl> hostap_diag [your interface, e.g. wlan0]
[19:14] <wxl> as long as you have 1.7.4+, you should be able to do WPA
[19:14] <unitypunk> not installed, sec...
[19:15] <agaida> and it might be that firmware is needed, as described in the manual
[19:16] <unitypunk> the firmware would be like inside the windows driver ya?
[19:16] <unitypunk> i snagged all the driver stuff from lenovo before i got started
[19:17] <unitypunk> Host AP driver diagnostics information for 'wifi0'
[19:17] <unitypunk> NICID: id=0x8013 v1.0.0 (PRISM II (2.5) Mini-PCI (SST parallel flash))
[19:17] <unitypunk> PRIID: id=0x0015 v1.0.7
[19:17] <unitypunk> STAID: id=0x001f v1.3.6 (station firmware)
[19:18] <unitypunk> wifi card is too old for the auth?
[19:18] <wxl> yep need to upgrade
[19:18] <wxl> in addition to that link agaida gave, http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/
[19:19] <wxl> looks like prism2_srec should be able to do the trick
[19:19] <unitypunk> ya
[19:19] <unitypunk> just reading it now.
[19:19] <unitypunk> doesnt seem too difficult
[19:20] <wxl> yeah doesn't
[19:20] <wxl> can't really support you beyond that, unfortunately as i've never had this chip or experience with this particular software
[19:21] <unitypunk> ffsssss
[19:21] <unitypunk> firefox crashed
[19:21] <unitypunk> computer too old for firefox...
[19:21] <unitypunk> lol
[19:21] <wxl> there's always w3m XD
[19:22] <unitypunk> is that lighter and functional?
[19:22] <wxl> or if you have to have graphics, w3m-img in xterm (text + graphics only), dillo (easier to use, less useful), xombrero (harder to use but fully functional browser)
[19:22] <unitypunk> ive never used a commandline web browser haha
[19:32] <unitypunk> dillo <3
[19:32] <unitypunk> thanks dude
[19:33] <wxl> np
[19:47]  * agaida think that wxl forget about lynx
[19:47]  * agaida runs
[19:50] <wxl> agaida: clearly you're not familiar with math
[19:50] <wxl> there's the well-known inequality: lynx < w3m
[19:50]  * wxl runs
[20:53] <AUMC> yay! thank you, all. The grub edit fixed my issue!
[22:52] <Prest0o> hi


[00:00] <ronswift> Ok, let's get started.
[00:00] <ronswift> How many participated in this weekend's bugjam
[00:02] <ronswift> I did the iso test and tested the kernel, firefox and nautilus. It was fun
[00:02] <ronswift> and I might add pretty straightforward
[00:03] <ronswift> I know of at least one other Ubuntu-md loco team member that participated.
[00:04] <pronto> i did not; didn't even know about it
[00:04] <ronswift> We will see if we can get more participants for the next release, 14.10
[00:05] <ronswift> I sent out a number of emails on the Ubuntu-MD mailing lists along with BaltoLug and Opensource-md lists
[00:06] <ronswift> We need for you to join the mailing list which you can do via a link on the website, www.ubuntu-maryland.org
[00:07] <ronswift> The only issue that I encountered with the bugjam test was the iso install hung once it finished and I tried to reboot.
[00:08] <ronswift> Any questions on the bugjam
[00:09] <ronswift> Ok, next subject is our upcoming open house on Apr 26
[00:10] <ronswift> This will be a combination release party and install fest.
[00:11] <ronswift> We need everyone to help promote it and we are expecting a good turnout
[00:11] <ronswift> Please download a flyer from the website.
[00:12] <ronswift> We also need volunteers
[00:12] <pronto> nice; how many folks tend to show up to the installs?
[00:12] <ronswift> This is the first one that we have done in some time.
[00:12] <pronto> the one i was at years ago had a good number of people show; want to say around 20 or so
[00:12] <pronto> ah
[00:13] <ronswift> The community college is promoting it in their classes.
[00:13] <ronswift> I think we will have at least 20.
[00:13] <pronto> HCC?
[00:13] <ronswift> It is also being promoted at Hopkins
[00:14] <ronswift> No Community College Baltimore County
[00:14] <pronto> ah
[00:14] <ronswift> That is where we meet on the 4th Sat of every month
[00:15] <ronswift> We will provide free Ubuntu 14.04 DVD
[00:16] <ronswift> There will also be thumb drives for a small fee $4 for 4mb drives
[00:16] <ronswift> We will also have some older versions of ubuntu or lubuntu with xfce for older laptops
[00:17] <ronswift> I sent out a sample release form for everyone's input.
[00:18] <ronswift> It would be nice if you could promote the event at HCC and Howard County library
[00:18] <ronswift> Questions
[00:19] <ronswift> openyost have you been able to follow the discussion
[00:20] <openyost> Yeah after I got in on the webpage.  Empathy was being empathy...
[00:20] <ronswift> ok
[00:20] <ronswift> Questions
[00:21] <ronswift> comments or other topics
[00:21] <ronswift> Xchat works pretty well
[00:22] <openyost> The release form looks pretty good.
[00:22] <ronswift> We meet on irc the 1st Mon of each month and we meet at CCBC the 4th Sat of the month
[00:23] <ronswift> Thanks, I just pulled it off the internet and it is available for use with no copyright issues
[00:23] <ronswift> welcome mike_o
[00:24] <mike_o> Hey
[00:24] <ronswift> We need to ensure that everyone signs a release before we touch their laptop
[00:25] <ronswift> How many of you are planning to attend the open house/install fest
[00:25] <mike_o> I'm planning to attend
[00:26] <ronswift> anyone else
[00:26] <ronswift> Even if you can not attend you can help us by promoting it.
[00:27] <ronswift> We can accomodate as many as 50 people in the lab and adjacent area
[00:27] <ronswift> questions...
[00:28] <mike_o> What was the decision about CDs vs USB drives?
[00:28] <mike_o> Was someone able to get microcenter to help out?
[00:28] <ronswift> Free DVD and we will charge $4 for usb thumb drives which is our cost
[00:29] <mike_o> Sounds good. What about variants of Ubuntu like Xubuntu? Are we planning to bring installers for those?
[00:29] <ronswift> Yes, that is where we are getting the $4 4mb drives. We are buying about 10
[00:30] <ronswift> Xubuntu 14.04 and older versions along with unity based 32 bit and 64 bit
[00:30] <mike_o> Good idea.
[00:31] <ronswift> Lubuntu I should have said
[00:31] <lattera> ronswift: you said you needed volunteers?
[00:31] <ronswift> yes
[00:31] <ronswift> the more the better
[00:31] <lattera> what do you need them doing?
[00:32] <lattera> I might be able to swing by for a bit during the open house
[00:32] <lattera> it'd be my first time, heh
[00:32] <ronswift> helping persons load the software on their systems
[00:32] <mike_o> I can volunteer for that
[00:33] <ronswift> Please join us. Live CD will be used initially and we want to make sure that the hardware is working before installing
[00:33] <ronswift> So one on one's with our guest
[00:34] <lattera> I could prolly help with that
[00:34] <ronswift> great
[00:35] <ronswift> If you are not on the mailing list please join it. That is by primary way of communicating
[00:35] <lattera> I am, that's how I knew about this irc chan, heh
[00:35] <ronswift> Outstanding
[00:35] <ronswift> More questions...
[00:35] <lattera> pardon my newbishness, but is there a better list of features than http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/7-ubuntu-14-04-lts-improvements-youll-love
[00:36] <ronswift> I need to research that. I am not familiar with the link you mentioned
[00:37] <ronswift> lattera what OS are you using now
[00:40] <lattera> ronswift: osx on the laptop, fbsd on everything else :)
[00:40] <lattera> but I develop on pretty much any and all OSs
[00:40] <lattera> solaris, linux, fbsd, nbsd, windows, etc.
[00:41] <lattera> I'm one of the core devlopers of clamav
[00:41] <ronswift> ok, sounds like you are more than a newbee
[00:42] <ronswift> I like clamav we use it on our Ubuntu servers
[00:43] <ronswift> Hopefully we can meet at the open house.
[00:43] <lattera> well, we're all newbs
[00:43] <ronswift> Correct...
[00:44] <ronswift> There were several people that I responded to that were having problems connecting
[00:44] <ronswift> Any other questions
[00:44] <lattera> does ubuntu support dualbooting with an encrypted osx volume on a macbook pro?
[00:46] <lattera> maybe I should take that question to #ubuntu rather than here
[00:46] <ronswift> I don't know. But please ask that on the mailing list. I know of a couple people that are running Ubuntu on Macs but I don't know if they are dual booting
[00:46] <ronswift> on an encrypted osx volume
[00:47] <ronswift> any one else online one to answer that question
[00:47] <ronswift> wants
[00:48] <ronswift> other questions ideas or comments
[00:48] <jsuter> ronswift, apologies for not keeping in contact with you since we talked at the meeting last month. Regarding the flash drives, I talked to my guy at microcenter and he said they don't do promotions/discounts of any sort, regardless of if it's a $50 order or a $10,000 order
[00:48] <jsuter> He said microcenter corporate might be able to do something, but I kinda doubt it
[00:49] <ronswift> ok I will just get 5 to 10 of the 4 mb ones
[00:50] <jsuter> Sounds good. I was looking though, and is 4 GB enough or would 8GB be needed? I saw the requirements for an install were something like 5.9GB, but that was an older ubuntu version
[00:50] <ronswift> There regular price is pretty good at $4
[00:50] <jsuter> Yeah
[00:50] <ronswift> No 4 gb is fine
[00:50] <mike_o> The image is about 900mb
[00:50] <mike_o> After install its closer to 6gb
[00:51] <jsuter> Okay. As for wifi, I talked to Jeremy and he said that the netadmins are really picky about rogue wifi networks and that he's had an admin come after him within 5 minutes of a WAP being set up. A single guest user/pass from helpdesk should be fine being shared, and he can get that for us if needed
[00:52] <ronswift> I have not had any problems with the 4 gb drives. The DVD are only 1.4 gb and they work fine
[00:52] <jsuter> If we still wanted our own WAP it'd have to be isolated from the CCBC network, which could work I suppose but would make testing connectivity tricky (other than hitting the WAP's webpage)
[00:53] <ronswift> Ok let's just get a guest account
[00:54] <jsuter> Okay I'll send him a message now to let him know
[00:54] <ronswift> and hopefully we can also use it at future meetings
[00:54] <ronswift> How many from your class do you anticipate will attend
[00:57] <jsuter> I'd estimate probably 10 or so but I can get a better idea by the end of the week. Today was the last day for students to withdraw from classes so a couple I expected to go ended up dropping
[00:58] <jsuter> I can get a number from Bryan as well if needed
[00:59] <ronswift> ok, thanks
[00:59] <ronswift> We may have some Hopkins students attend. I will reach out to UMBC
[01:00] <jsuter> Great
[01:00] <ronswift> But we need to heavily promote it...
[01:02] <ronswift> Ok, any other questions or comments
[01:02] <ronswift> The flyers for the open house is on the website
[01:03] <jsuter> None here. Messages sent to Jeremy and Bryan
[01:03] <jsuter> I've got to eat dinner but I'll keep irc open for when I get back. Need to get a personal irc bouncer back up and running again...
[01:04] <ronswift> Ok, we are going to close the session. Watch the mailing lists for more events details.
[01:04] <ronswift> Thanks everyone for joining us tonight
[01:04] <ronswift> Bye
[01:07] <ronswift> quit:


[15:19] <balloons> a new on-air q and a is happening in 45 mins!
[15:58] <ewwwwwwww_> hi steve
[15:58] <steve_jobs_> ubuntu touch is a stolen product
[15:59] <ewwwwwwww_> you dead?
[15:59] <steve_jobs_> No. iCloud dude ;)
[15:59] <ewwwwwwww_> :)))
[16:00] <ewwwwwwww_> QUESTION: when is the next flash sale?
[16:00] <ivoxavier> Maybe after the bq beeing shipped
[16:01] <ivoxavier> QUESTION: Will nexus 4 get the same performance as BQ?
[16:01] <popey> \o/
[16:02] <balloons> howdy howdy!
[16:02] <FishForceUltra5> QUESTION: Are all Ubuntu Phone core apps available for the x86 Ubuntu Next daily build as well?
[16:03] <ewwwwwwww_> QUESTION: will there be a bq E5 or E6  Ubuntu Edition?
[16:04] <sturmflut-work> QUESTION: Do you know any (new) details about the upcoming Meizu phone?
[16:04] <Mrtavmi5> brra
[16:04] <steve_jobs_> QUESTION: Wouldn't be a smart move by canonical bring back Ubuntu One Cloud? It will be magic seeing all our documents sync across all ubuntu devices.
[16:05] <ewwwwwwww_> QUESTION: bq also makes tablets :P any plans for a tablet? (not necessary bq)
[16:06] <sturmflut-work> QUESTION: Why will the phones from last weeks flash sale only be shipped in march? I ordered the E4.5 with Android and it was shipped to germany within three days.
[16:06] <mhall119> I will have 2 Nexus 4's on display, plus my personal one
[16:06] <Mrtavmi5> just wanted to say that i dont like how much phone screen has padding
[16:06] <mhall119> unfortunately we didn't have any spare Bq devices for me to use
[16:07] <Mrtavmi5> no one :)
[16:07] <mhall119> Mrtavmi5: yeah, but that's a hardware thing :)
[16:08] <Mrtavmi5> yep i know
[16:08] <Mrtavmi5> just sayn
[16:09] <mhall119> follow https://twitter.com/bqreaders to hear about flash sales
[16:10] <rocky____> QUESTION: How many devices sold in the first flash sale?
[16:10] <AlanBell> QUESTION: what is the advantage to Canonical and BQ of doing the flash sales?
[16:11] <Mrtavmi5> AlanBell: i think that they can then sell all of the devices without having production suficit..
[16:11] <mhall119> AlanBell: 50% more flash :)
[16:11] <AlanBell> Mrtavmi5: so that is "make to order"
[16:11] <AlanBell> which they are clearly doing anyway with a 1 month lead time
[16:11] <Mrtavmi5> AlanBell: i'm not sure what is that.
[16:12] <AlanBell> it is an existing hardware platform, they have an established production line for most components (bit of tooling for the un-buttoned screen perhaps)
[16:13] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Are you able to shine any light on what the plans are for the Ubuntu Phone project over the next 2yrs?
[16:14] <fredflegel> hello, i am bit late, i wanted to ask about ubuntu for phones / touch: for support for caldav/carddav is really important to me because i want to use my non-google services for contacts and calendars. what is the status and roadmap?
[16:16] <mhall119> syncthing
[16:17] <rocky____> QUESTION: Are Canonical negotiating major application vendors to bring their apps to UT?
[16:21] <AlanBell> QUESTION: are there plans to make the "gloryhole" case for other handsets?
[16:23] <Mrtavmi5> AlanBell: i think i gave you more realistic answer :)
[16:23] <AlanBell> anyone get how flash sales gauge interest? they do drive enthusiasm, but I don't get how they do anything but mask the demand
[16:24] <Mrtavmi5> okay now pope fixed
[16:24] <gmb_> QUESTION: Some reviewers have said that it takes long to flip through all the scopes one by one, especially if you have many installed. Are there other ways of navigating through scopes?
[16:28] <fredflegel> Question: Do you know of the Fairphone project? How to you think the Goals of Fairphone and Ubuntu (for Phones) align? Disclaimer: I am a Fairphone owner.
[16:29] <balloons> AlanBell, I think popey said it best as well.. we're not marketing folks, but I think Mrtavmi5 and ourselves have given some logic as to why it may be being sold this way
[16:29] <fredflegel> Question: caldav/carddav is really important to me because i want to use my non-google services for contacts and calendars. what is the status and roadmap on that? is that a "canonical" or more a community effort?
[16:35] <steve_jobs_> QUESTION: Main question. Is Ubuntu Touch a copy of iOS?
[16:36] <popey> steve_jobs_: enough trolling thanks
[16:36] <sturmflut-work> QUESTION: If you are talking to major application vendors about porting their applications, do they also get access to development devices? Or are they restricted to the emulator and used Nexus devices like anybody else.
[16:38] <AlanBell> QUESTION: with the current barriers to purchase in place, how do you give ISVs the confidence that the platform will eventually be made available to a big enough market?
[16:40] <AlanBell> QUESTION: will the screen resolution of the Meizu device be the same as the BQ device?
[16:41] <AlanBell> QUESTION: is the background wallpaper located at /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png ?
[16:43] <popey> ls: cannot access /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png: No such file or directory
[16:43] <sturmflut-work> QUESTION: Will there be some kind of feedback from the app store to the developers, e.g. will Canonical provide aggregate statistics about search keywords so that we know which applications users want the most? An official voting platform or something like that would also be a possibility.
[16:43] <AlanBell> :)
[16:44] <gmb_> QUESTION: Does the infographic show notifications?
[16:46] <sturmflut-work> QUESTION: The current app lifecycle prevents apps from running in the background. Do you think this principle will uphold over time, or will there be some exceptions necessary at some point?
[16:46] <FishForceUltra5> QUESTION: In terms of it's functionality, will Unity 8 on the desktop be much different than Unity 7? Also, when are we likely to see some advances in the Unity 8 desktop (e.g. more advanced window management).
[16:46] <AlanBell> MX4 resolution is 1152 x 1920 pixels (~418 ppi pixel density)
[16:46]  * AlanBell googled it
[16:47] <sturmflut-work> AlanBell: AFAIK there are two different models, the MX4 and the MX4 Pro
[16:48] <AlanBell> ooh, which is 1536 x 2560 pixels (~546 ppi pixel density)
[16:49] <AlanBell> QUESTION: so which MX4 variant will the Ubuntu phone be based on? MX4/MX4 Pro
[16:50] <AlanBell> they are completely different phones, different chipsets and everything
[16:50] <akiva-thinkpad> hey all
[16:50] <akiva-thinkpad> i got 10 minutes
[16:51] <balloons> hey akiva-thinkpad
[16:51] <akiva-thinkpad> balloons, do you guys need questions?
[16:51] <popey> I think we're good
[16:52] <akiva-thinkpad> mmmm okay :)
[16:52] <ivoxavier> QUESTION: Can we expect improvements on the  nexus4 battery management?  If I leave my nexus4 at night, in air plane mode, by the moornig it has lower battery. I tested it many times.
 QUESTION: any chance of getting some C++/OpenGL documentation for Ubuntu Phone SDK?
[16:53] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Are either of you using Unity while you develop?
[16:53] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Are either of you using Unity8 while you develop?
[16:54] <sturmflut-work> popey: Your room is getting very dark, BTW
[16:54] <mhall119> I don't think anybody is using Unity 8 desktop regularly yet
[16:54] <popey> bug 1372413
[16:54] <balloons> FishForceUltra5, and whomever else: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop
[16:55] <balloons> give it a whirl, good fun ^^
 QUESTION: Are there conversations ongoing between Canonical and the Fairphone? Fairphone 2 might be a good match with Ubuntu for all security and environmental thinking people like myself.
[16:55] <popey> where are these coming from?
[16:56] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, mhall was too slow last week
[16:56] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[16:56] <mhall119> akiva-thinkpad: ah, those were the ones we didn't get ot?
 QUESTION: Is 1 GB enough for Ubuntu to run smoothly or will it lag like Android?
[16:57] <akiva-thinkpad> yep
[16:58] <ivoxavier> QUESTION: Will nexus4 users get the scopes available in the bq?
[16:58] <akiva-thinkpad> QUESTION: Unity8 desktop is aiming to emulate Unity7 as a first goal; is there anything that it will add that unity7 does not have? Anything you would like to see? (Like a terminal scope?)
[16:58] <AlanBell> QUESTION: what are you putting on the pancakes today?
[16:58] <mhall119> terminal scope?
[16:59] <mhall119> popey: slackers? We were just more popular than you
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> mhall119, yah; basically something like guake.
[16:59] <ivoxavier> the nearby scope
[17:00] <sturmflut-work> QUESTION: It is currently quite hard to build apps that use 3D acceleration because Qt3D is still incomplete/beta, libSDL is still being worked on and the desktop and the devices support different subsets of OpenGL. Are there any plans to improve this situation, e.g. does Canonical work with the major 3D engine manufacturers?
[17:00] <mhall119> akiva-thinkpad: not really what scopes are intended for
[17:00] <akiva-thinkpad> so say, ctrl+alt+t would open up a pane with a terminal
[17:01] <popey> thanks everyone!
[17:01] <mhall119> nice one popey and balloons
[17:01] <ivoxavier> thanks!
[17:01] <sturmflut-work> popey, balloons: Thanks for your time!
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> that was fun
[17:01] <AlanBell> thanks balloons and popey :)
[17:01] <balloons> thanks!
[17:01] <toddc> thank you
[17:02] <popey> \o/
[17:04] <fish_mooney> !seen penguin
[17:04] <popey> thanks for pasting the questions akiva-thinkpad :)
[17:04] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, mmm only wish I remembered; last week, I was able to get double the audience on :)
[17:04] <popey> heh
[17:05] <akiva-thinkpad> popey, maybe I can see if I can get the bot to post notifications in reddit and irc chat when its going to happen :)
[17:05] <akiva-thinkpad> !ping
[17:05] <akiva-thinkpad> AirBot, ping
[17:06] <akiva-thinkpad> mmmm :P
[17:14] <balloons> akiva-thinkpad, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/ClassBot
[17:14] <akiva-thinkpad> balloons, cool


[09:51] <rmg51> Morning
[10:28] <InHisName> morning rmg51 and any other awake persons
[10:30] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:33] <adom> late morning
[13:36] <JonathanD> adom the evil hacker is here ;)
[13:46]  * adom is a very nice person and wants the NSA to know that. :)
[13:48] <JonathanD> adom: I'm a "mixed environment" admin :P
[13:48] <JonathanD> I don't care if you tell people.
[14:07] <InHisName> Is this the nice person day for discussions?
[14:09] <JonathanD> yres
[14:10] <adom> JonathanD: "mixed environment" haha i like that
[14:11] <JonathanD> adom: well, it's true :P
[14:11] <adom> im the same i guess...using what mediocre penetration skills at the office, at home, at panera
[14:11] <JonathanD> actually when I started here, there were 0 linux devices.
[14:13] <adom> same. now we have 2 linux boxes that are my domain
[14:14] <adom> which sucks because when i leave here the end of May there'll be no one here that knows how to use them.
[14:14] <JonathanD> hah
[14:15] <adom> luckily, i can ssh tunnel in if they want to pay me for remote work ;)
[14:16] <JonathanD> hah :)
[14:16] <JonathanD> We have about half a dozen linux instances now.
[14:16] <JonathanD> and some linux based hardware (NAS stuff, etc)
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> i just can't imagine using windows as any type of server
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> it seems just plain dumb
[14:36] <InHisName> I got a server that can dual boot either ubuntu server or windows 2008 r2.
[14:37] <InHisName> I haven't done much with ubuntu server yet.   Win2008 has exchange running in it.
[14:37] <InHisName> Only its not booted right now, ubuntu is.
[14:38] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: it's more difficult to switch these things than it seems, though.
[14:38] <JonathanD> You have to fight a culture, and on top of that, you have to make a business case for throwing away software that is paid for and won't function on linux.
[14:38] <InHisName> dual booting server OSs seems dumber than mono-booting either.
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> no i understand this
[14:40] <MutantTurkey> what I don't understand is how microsoft has any hand in the server mraket
[14:40] <JonathanD> Because they did last year.
[14:40] <MutantTurkey> it's arguably the worst suited for a server system
[14:40] <JonathanD> momentum.
[14:40] <MutantTurkey> the new windows sever is going to have metro ui...
[14:41] <JonathanD> But folks have been running windows server for a long time now. it won't just vanish overnight.
[16:40] <lamalex> haha i love when someone mistypes pong as bong and i get a highlight
[16:40] <ssweeny> haha
[16:43] <JonathanD> ping!
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> pong
[16:44] <ChinnoDog> bing
[16:45] <JonathanD> tong
[16:45] <ChinnoDog> king
[16:45] <JonathanD> kong
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> ding
[16:46] <JonathanD> song
[17:20] <adom> wait, you have "bong" set as hilight? *cough*stoner*cough*
[17:22] <adom> @ the earlier conversation: the only reason my coworkers like windows server is because they like to be able to remote desktop in and work on it. im like, "who needs a gui for a server?"
[17:22] <PennBot> Got it!
[17:23] <adom> haha
[17:23] <adom> @MutantTurkey GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE.
[17:23] <PennBot> I don't know.
[17:23] <adom> @ MutantTurkey GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE.
[17:23] <PennBot> Bugger all, I dunno, adom.
[17:23] <adom> @ MutantTurkey : GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE.
[17:23] <PennBot> Dunno!
[17:23] <adom> :/
[17:23] <lamalex> @lamalex
[17:23] <PennBot> Wish I knew, lamalex.
[17:24] <lamalex> did pennbot get erased again?
[17:24] <adom> @bacon
[17:24] <PennBot> The Almighty Food of the Gods
[17:24] <adom> nope
[17:24] <adom> @adom
[17:24] <PennBot> Bugger all, I dunno!
[17:24] <lamalex> @karma lamalex
[17:24] <PennBot> lamalex: lamalex has neutral karma.
[17:24] <lamalex> living the dream baby
[17:25] <adom> @adom is a great game
[17:25] <PennBot> I hear ya, adom.
[17:25] <adom> @adom
[17:25] <PennBot> hmm... adom is a great game, adom
[17:25] <adom> confusion +1
[17:25] <adom> so yeah, linux server > windows servers
[18:09] <MutantTurkey> I HATE DIALOGS THAT ASK ME TO CONFIRM THINGS TWICE
[18:09] <MutantTurkey> i clicked yes because I mean es.
[18:09] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: are you sure?
[18:09] <MutantTurkey> and I am really sure
[18:09] <MutantTurkey> YES
[18:10] <MutantTurkey> (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
[18:11] <JonathanD> how sure?
[18:11] <JonathanD> On a scale of 1-10.
[18:11] <MutantTurkey> 10000 MILLION
[18:11] <JonathanD> You know what, the next time I write a confirmation dialog thats what it's going to say.
[18:11] <MutantTurkey> "error that is not a valid respnse" are you sure that is why you want to say
[18:11] <JonathanD> "On a scale of 1 to 10, how sure are you that you want to delete all files?"
  Can PennBot really recall whole comments from just a fragment ?
[19:01] <JonathanD> InHisName: no.
[19:01] <JonathanD> adom prefixed something with @ though.
[19:14] <adom> twas accidental
[19:14]  * adom blushes.


[00:00] <humphreybc> is that the factoid list?
[00:00] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: no don't think so
[00:00] <dutchie> no, that's the loaded plugins
[00:00] <humphreybc> ah ha
[00:01] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I thought you were older, but seems your a university student?
[00:01] <humphreybc> yeah i'm 19
[00:01] <humphreybc> I study software engineering
[00:01] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[00:01] <humphreybc> so like programming, code writing and there is an element of commerce to my degree which is ridiculous but oh well
[00:01] <dutchie> why are you doing an economics assignment then?
[00:01] <humphreybc> ^^
[00:02] <dutchie> ah, it's not like one of those silly american degrees where you don't specialise for 15000 year
[00:02] <dutchie> s
[00:02] <humphreybc> I have to do 120 points of commerce papers (each paper worth 18) because my degree is "applied science" - ie, aimed at entrepreneurial startups in the IT industry
[00:02] <humphreybc> I've already done a java paper, probably doing python and some more java this year. But i'm mainly doing commerce for this year which sucks
[00:03] <dutchie> :(
[00:03] <dutchie> you done much coding before?
[00:03] <humphreybc> but I realised I can't do any more on my assignment till I walk into uni later... and it's pouring down with rain. So i'm pestering my friend to come round and show me her work!
[00:03] <sebsebseb> not realy a big deal now, but  maybe #ubuntu-manual-offtopic or whatever it would be called, would be a good idea as well
[00:03] <humphreybc> I did HTML, CSS and PHP in school
[00:04] <dutchie> :( PHP
[00:04] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: nah we don't have enough traffic in here for that
[00:04] <humphreybc> oh and MYSQL
[00:04] <humphreybc> mainly web design stuff
[00:04] <dutchie> no "proper languages" then
[00:04] <humphreybc> java was fun last year though. we had two labs a week and made a program in each. they got pretty intense near the end
[00:04] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: sure, but for now the off topic is being logged as well
[00:04] <humphreybc> haha well no not really
[00:04] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: true. meh.
[00:05] <dutchie> hey, my offtopic blurblings have been logged in #ubuntu-uk for ages
[00:05] <humphreybc> i'm looking forward to cracking into some python so I can help out with some ubuntu programs
[00:05] <sebsebseb> dutchie: yeah the bot had .co.uk
[00:05] <dutchie> that's because it's run on my server
[00:05] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu UK is ok, but I don't like it much
[00:06] <sebsebseb> I don't like Ubuntu Offtopic either  much
[00:06] <sebsebseb> hmm  I just thought of something
[00:06] <sebsebseb> two things now actsaully
[00:06] <sebsebseb> !ot
[00:06] <manualbot> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!
[00:06] <sebsebseb> ok well that one needs changing or whatever
[00:06] <sebsebseb> !uk
[00:06] <manualbot> Join us for a discussion using the Queen's English in #ubuntu-uk
[00:06] <humphreybc> dutchie: i've been thinking of making my server online, at the moment it's just local
[00:07] <dutchie> easy to save a new factoid
[00:07] <sebsebseb> dutchie: indeed
[00:07] <sebsebseb> factoid suggestion hmm
[00:07] <dutchie> humphreybc: mine's been up about a year, hasn't been hacked yet
[00:07] <sebsebseb> maybe something like,   Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[00:07] <sebsebseb> since we don't have an off topic room
[00:08] <dutchie> shall we found one? ;)
[00:08] <sebsebseb> dutchie: I got another channel that I use as a kind of off topic channel :)
[00:08] <dutchie> !ot is <reply> Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[00:08] <manualbot> But ot already means something else!
[00:09] <dutchie> !no ot is <reply> Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[00:09] <humphreybc> you guys want to start a #ubuntu-manual-offtopic ?
[00:09] <manualbot> I'll remember that dutchie
[00:09] <humphreybc> !ot
[00:09] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: not so much now
[00:09] <manualbot> Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[00:09] <dutchie> maybe not #ubuntu-manual-offtopic, maybe just something else
[00:09] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: a bit of off topic is ok I guess in  here for now really, just not to much of it
[00:09] <humphreybc> hokay. dutchie is it easy to stick your server online?
[00:09] <dutchie> just buy a domain and aim it there
[00:10] <humphreybc> well of course on topic takes priority. i don't see any problem with off topic when there's nothing else going on
[00:10] <ianto> !cym is <reply> Dewch i siarad yn y sianel #ubuntu-cym yn Saesneg neu yn Cymraeg | Come to the #ubuntu-cym channel to speak in Welsh or English
[00:10] <dutchie> (assuming you've got a static IP)
[00:10] <humphreybc> i've got a couple of domains
[00:10] <ianto> :p
[00:10] <sebsebseb> ianto: :D
[00:10]  * dutchie is tempted to change that to something offensive
[00:10] <humphreybc> i'd have to move my blog to my server maybe. nah screw that. how can I point it to www.interesting.co.nz?
[00:10] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: sure, but  since it's being offically logged, most of those logs should be useful info really
[00:11] <humphreybc> !sl is <reply> choo choo!
[00:11] <sebsebseb> !ot
[00:11] <manualbot> Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[00:11] <ianto> !doc
[00:11] <manualbot> documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[00:11] <ianto> Roughly on topic
[00:12] <dutchie> ianto: try the !cym factoid now
[00:12] <ianto> !cym
[00:12] <manualbot> Oh, boyo, come and sing of the valleys in #ubuntu-cym!
[00:12] <dutchie> :)
[00:12] <sebsebseb> there was someone here the other day
[00:13] <sebsebseb> well the first day this channel is being offically logged
[00:13] <sebsebseb> that wanted to translate, but their English wasn't that good as well or something like that
[00:13] <dutchie> the italian guy?
[00:13] <sebsebseb> yes
[00:13] <sebsebseb> what happended to them? etc  are they translating now I guess not?
[00:14] <sebsebseb> different languages can sometimes be an issue online, because then people don't always understand each other
[00:14] <sebsebseb> their could be more people coming here in the future, that don't know English that well
[00:14] <sebsebseb> in fact that's likely to happen if the manual takes off properly
[00:15] <dutchie> hopefully, if the manual takes off properly, we'll have enough people talking (say) italian that they can take care of the guy who isn't so confident
[00:16] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I am not going to do it right now, but i'll do a proper comment for the  front cover propoals.  That will be better than some stuff I put on IRC (before this channel was offically publically logged)
[00:16] <sebsebseb> proposals
[00:17] <sebsebseb> (sometimes I want to correct stuff on IRC, that doesn't really need to be corrected)
[00:17] <sebsebseb> dutchie: indeed
[00:17] <humphreybc> sweet
[00:17] <humphreybc> sounds good
[00:18]  * humphreybc may have to go to the lab after work at 7pm to do the assignment. crap.
[00:20] <sebsebseb> dutchie: oh yeah Ubuntu  channels tend to only be for one language, so if it was to hit off properly, might have to make different language channels for it, or at least use loco channels sometimes for it
[00:21] <dutchie> yeah, I think just aim them at the LoCo channels
[00:21] <sebsebseb> I was thinking about the front cover and languages before and now again
[00:22] <sebsebseb> well  that will be in English I guess always and not translated to other languages?
[00:22] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: we will translate the front cover for each version
[00:22] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: including for example the Ubuntu slogan,  Ubuntu Linux For Human  Beings?
[00:22] <humphreybc> no
[00:22] <sebsebseb> yep that's what I thought
[00:23] <sebsebseb> ,but stuff like Created by the Ubuntu Manual Team
[00:23] <sebsebseb> would get translated?
[00:23] <humphreybc> yea
[00:23] <sebsebseb> ,but  not the name itself though?  Ubuntu Manual Team
[00:24] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: right?
[00:24] <humphreybc> um
[00:24] <humphreybc> i'm not sure
[00:25] <sebsebseb> wel I guess not.  let's take this for example, it's still Ubuntu Software Center  the package and that,  but  in the menu when Ubuntu is in EN GB  it will say Ubuntu Software Centre instead
[00:27] <sebsebseb> I would have prefered  if  they had gone with Ubuntu Software Centre for all of it, in the first place, but no,  since they use American English as the default
[00:28] <sebsebseb> would be ok to translate Ubuntu Manual  Team as well  I think, and in the future maybe have differnet language versions of the wiki
[00:31] <humphreybc> yep
[00:37] <sebsebseb> humphreybc:  dutchie  #ubuntu-manual-chat  maybe in the future
[00:38] <sebsebseb> ?
[00:38] <dutchie> maybe
[00:39] <dutchie> I was thinking entirely outside the #ubuntu-* hierarchy
[00:39] <sebsebseb> dutchie: well an offical channel isn't really meant to have an unoffical channel as it's offtopic/chat
[00:40] <sebsebseb> or one that doesn't have the ubuntu name in it, as far as I know
[00:40] <sebsebseb> plus their are loads of off topic  / chat type rooms on this network,  Freenode has one as well
[00:41] <dutchie> just fancied stirring things up :)
[00:42] <sebsebseb> dutchie: so why the name dutchie ?
[00:42] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: what's the bc about in yours?
[00:42] <dutchie> Josh Holland, then an utter lack of imagination
[00:43] <sebsebseb> dutchie: ah right
[00:43] <humphreybc> my initials
[00:43] <sebsebseb> just saw that, but I was hovering over the names before and seeing the thing hmm
[00:43] <sebsebseb> for most/all
[00:44] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: Benjamin Humphrey  where's the C  some sort of middle name?
[00:44] <humphreybc> yeah first letter of my middle name
[00:44] <sebsebseb> mine has a little story behind it, but I don't really want to share it in a Ubuntu channel
[00:51] <humphreybc> lol
[00:54] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: Why so funny?
[00:54] <humphreybc> you're too careful
[00:54] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: noI am not
[00:55] <sebsebseb> anyway explain?
[00:56] <sebsebseb> or not
[00:56] <sebsebseb> I could say the story here, I just don't want to
[00:57] <sebsebseb> that's all
[00:59] <humphreybc> fair nuff
[00:59] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: anyway good to have stuff that is relivant to the project, mainly in the logs
[01:25] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: Wiki: url   Launchpad: url
[01:26] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: Just has the URL for the wiki at the moment
[01:28] <sebsebseb> The other urls say what they are, but it doesn't for the wiki at the moment
[01:31] <sebsebseb> dutchie: ok you sorted it :)
[01:45]  * humphreybc is off to work for 4 hours
[01:46] <humphreybc> catch ya'll later
[06:14] <IlyaHaykinson> pushed a few commits -- copyedits on chap 1..3
[06:31]  * humphreybc is back
[06:33] <humphreybc> Ilya, what do you mean by "copyediting"?
[06:53] <IlyaHaykinson_> text = copy; copyediting = editing the text
[06:54] <IlyaHaykinson_> edited for style & accuracy, mainly. feel free to review and revert.
[07:14] <humphreybc> ok
[12:29] <dutchie> did someone set the list to moderated?
[12:30] <dutchie> ah, I think it's someone not in the team
[12:43] <vish> dutchie: hi.. what is the page size of the manual?
[12:43] <dutchie> it's the american letter size
[12:44] <dutchie> no idea what the dimensions of that are
[12:44] <vish> hmm.
[12:44] <dutchie> google will probably know ;)
[12:45] <vish> yeah  , google is a great friend ;)
[17:47] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:04] <jmburgess> hey everone
[18:06] <sebsebseb> !hello |  jmburgess
[18:06] <manualbot> jmburgess: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[18:06] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: that factoid should be changed for this channel
[18:07] <sebsebseb> dutchie: ^
[18:08] <jmburgess> haha
[18:08] <jmburgess> hmmmm can I change that?
[18:09] <jmburgess> I don't think so/I have no idea how
[18:09] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: if you got bot access yes
[18:09] <jmburgess> i have no idea if I do, I am admin on the launchpad
[18:09] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: well dutchie has bot access
[18:09] <jmburgess> nice
[18:09] <jmburgess> dutchie do your thing
[18:09] <sebsebseb> since he also hosts it, anyway he seems to be away
[18:09] <jmburgess> gotcha
[18:10] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: so do you think manualbot is a he/she/it ?
[18:11] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: well ubottu is female, so this one is at the moment as well I guess
[18:11] <sebsebseb> !gender
[18:11] <manualbot> yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :)
[18:14] <jmburgess> haha
[18:15] <jmburgess> i mean some females would be nice in the group
[18:15] <jmburgess> haha
[18:15] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: uhmm
[18:15] <i_is_broke> hello
[18:16] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: remember the channel is publically logged now,  and certian people don't like those kind of comments, even if it is only a joke
[18:16] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: or even if you mean it, but in a friendly way
[18:16] <sebsebseb> !women | jmburgess
[18:16] <manualbot> jmburgess: The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[18:17] <dutchie> what?
[18:17] <sebsebseb> dutchie: to what?  the bot factoid or?
[18:17]  * dutchie is reading the backscroll now
[18:17] <sebsebseb> dutchie: ah ok
[18:18] <dutchie> what should the !hello be changed to then?
[18:18] <sebsebseb> !hi
[18:18] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[18:18] <sebsebseb> !hi and !hello are the same thing
[18:18] <manualbot> sebsebseb: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[18:19] <sebsebseb> just needs to be a hi or hello or welcome to the channel
[18:19] <sebsebseb> so the first bit sure, but the last lot no.
[18:20] <sebsebseb> dutchie: could put in a  Enjoy your stay!  If really wanted though
[18:20] <dutchie> !hello is <reply> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out.
[18:20] <manualbot> But hello already means something else!
[18:20] <dutchie> !no hello is <reply> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out.
[18:20] <manualbot> I'll remember that dutchie
[18:21] <sebsebseb> dutchie: Feel free to ask questions and help people out, is more for the support channels.
[18:21] <sebsebseb> this isn't #ubuntu
[18:21] <dutchie> come up with one yourself then
[18:21] <sebsebseb> where that message is fine  the one the bot had before
[18:21] <sebsebseb> Hi!    Welcome to #ubuntu-manual please enjoy your stay!
[18:22] <sebsebseb> dutchie: uhmm I don't have bot access, and probably shoudn't really have it here
[18:23] <dutchie> it'll forward to me
[18:23] <i_is_broke> yeah i thought this would be more for the manual then actual help.
[18:23] <sebsebseb> i_is_broke: exactly which is why I was suggesting the !hi factoid got changed
[18:23] <i_is_broke> hi and welcome, come in and sit down and read a book..lol
[18:23] <sebsebseb> dutchie: oh yeah  it can be done in pm with the bot,  but not sure how to do that
[18:24] <dutchie> !no hello is <reply> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay.
[18:24] <manualbot> I'll remember that dutchie
[18:24] <sebsebseb> !hi
[18:24] <dutchie> if you do that, it'll forward the request to me, and I'll review it at some point
[18:24] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines . Enjoy your stay!
[18:24] <sebsebseb> dutchie: change !hi as well to that, and it's fine
[18:25] <i_is_broke> yeah that would work too.
[18:25] <dutchie> !no hi is <alias> hello
[18:25] <manualbot> I'll remember that dutchie
[18:25] <dutchie> !hi
[18:25] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay.
[18:25] <i_is_broke> something simple, will be for a lot of new people.
[18:25] <sebsebseb> oh
[18:25] <sebsebseb> !
[18:26] <sebsebseb> i_is_broke: yes  have you seen the art work on the wiki for the front cover?
[18:26] <i_is_broke> now is this manual, going to be added on or is there going to be an advanced manual out as well?
[18:26] <sebsebseb> i_is_broke: people  have been picking and doing comments
[18:26] <i_is_broke> sebsebseb, yup
[18:26] <sebsebseb> dutchie: put in the ! in the factoid and it's fine
[18:26] <sebsebseb> !hi
[18:26] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay.
[18:26] <jmburgess> better
[18:26] <i_is_broke> sebsebseb, guess they should of got in on it sooner if they have complaints.
[18:26] <sebsebseb> oh it's got !  ,but after the channel name, that's another little mistake
[18:27] <sebsebseb> i_is_broke: no
[18:27] <sebsebseb> i_is_broke: the idea is for the art work to be commented on
[18:27] <i_is_broke> oh ok
[18:27] <i_is_broke> i see
[18:27] <dutchie> sebsebseb: what, like this:
[18:27] <i_is_broke> i thought it was quite good my self
[18:27] <dutchie> !no hello is <reply> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay!
[18:27] <manualbot> I'll remember that dutchie
[18:27] <sebsebseb> you can do one yourself,  and someone will add, or you can yourself  if you join the wiki and such I think
[18:27] <sebsebseb> !hi
[18:27] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay!
[18:28] <i_is_broke> ill check into it.
[18:28] <i_is_broke> right now im kind of in the middle of hacking around with python...lol
[18:28] <sebsebseb> dutchie:  that will do it I guess,  but if we want to be really fussy or whatever  !hello  should  start with  Hello! rather than Hi!
[18:29] <sebsebseb> i_is_broke: oh yeah we got another factoid :) yeah this one
[18:29] <sebsebseb> !ot
[18:29] <manualbot> Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[18:30] <jmburgess> haha
[18:30] <dutchie> sebsebseb: that is far too much fuss
[18:30] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: plus he knows where he can chat to me
[18:31] <sebsebseb> dutchie: well yeah  I guess so
[18:32] <sebsebseb> i_is_broke: if it's about manual  you can say it here
[18:33] <sebsebseb> dutchie: can anyone edit the wiki for the manual, or just team members?
[18:33] <dutchie> anyone with a launchpad account can edit the wiki
[18:34] <i_is_broke> now this is going to be actual ways they want things done, so its not going to be like the hit and misses of the forums right?
[18:34] <sebsebseb> dutchie: yeah that's what I meant by anyone,  anyone with an account
[18:35] <jmburgess> sebsebseb: I am pretty sure everyone can
[18:35] <ikonia> the manual page in the topic doesnm't exist in the wiki
[18:36] <sebsebseb> !hi | ikonia
[18:36] <manualbot> ikonia: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay!
[18:36] <ikonia> sebsebseb: just say hi
[18:36] <ikonia> I don't need a bot thrown at me
[18:36] <sebsebseb> ikonia: true, but we were just changing the factoid
[18:36] <sebsebseb> hello
[18:36] <ikonia> so ?
[18:37] <dutchie> ikonia: which manual page?
[18:37] <ikonia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[18:37] <humphreybc> morning everyone
[18:37] <dutchie> wfm
[18:37] <ikonia> ahhh it does exist
[18:37] <ikonia> wiki was just being odd
[18:37] <ikonia> just refreshed and it was there
[18:38] <sebsebseb> dutchie: It's got a ! after the channel in that factoid, but doesn't really matter that much.  Not a big deal.  Change it if you want of course though.
[18:39] <dutchie> sebsebseb: why should there not be a ! after the channel? it's the end of a sentence...
[18:39] <sebsebseb> dutchie: I mean #ubuntu-manual!
[18:39] <sebsebseb> dutchie: ah ha I get you now,  ok doesn't matter, since people are already in the channel so don't need to click on the link.
[18:40] <vish> ikonia: very tired of the bots, eh? ;)
[18:40] <ikonia> a little
[18:40] <vish> ikonia: probably sebsebseb didnt realize you are a mod/OP :)
[18:40] <sebsebseb> vish: oh I know
[18:40] <vish> ah , cool
[18:40] <ikonia> it's not a big deal
[18:40] <dutchie> sebsebseb: oh, is your irc client picking up the ! as part of the channel name, and not just a punctuation mark
[18:41] <sebsebseb> dutchie: exactly
[18:41] <dutchie> get a proper client, or file a bug, or something :P
[18:41] <sebsebseb> dutchie: this is a nice client
[18:41] <dutchie> what is it?
[18:42] <sebsebseb> dutchie: Konversation which I would much rather use in Gnome/KDE  than Xchat for example
[18:42] <dutchie> irssi++
[18:42] <sebsebseb> dutchie: well yeah irssi, but that would need time to set up properly
[18:42] <ikonia> 30 seconds
[18:42] <ikonia> the default install is a good base
[18:43] <dutchie> all I've done on top of the defaults is add a few plugins
[18:43] <ikonia> dutchie: 45 seconds then
[18:43] <sebsebseb> ikonia: well I looked on their  help on the website for it, when I had it in Ubuntu whenever it was now,  and  was a bit like uh, I would have to set this and that up
[18:43] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: Hello
[18:44] <dutchie> sebsebseb: all you have to set up is login/server info, which you'd have to do in any client that isn't telepathic
[18:44] <humphreybc> hey mate
[18:45] <sebsebseb> vish: Going back to bots, some people over use them, and other people don't like it.
[18:46] <vish> sebsebseb: yeah... :)
[18:46] <dutchie> there's always /ignore
[18:47] <ikonia> the bots can be very very useful
[18:47] <ikonia> I just don't like them used for things like "hello"
[18:47] <sebsebseb> ikonia: the bots can be very useful indeed
[18:47] <ikonia> if you can't be bothered to type "hello" to someone why type "!hello" to get automated blah thrown at soeone
[18:47] <ikonia> someone
[18:47] <ikonia> it has it's place
[18:47] <vish> hehe
[18:48] <vish> !topic
[18:48] <manualbot> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[18:48] <vish> meh..
[18:49] <humphreybc> so what's all this?
[18:49] <humphreybc> mixed opinions on manuel?
[18:49] <ikonia> not at all, it looks like a good project
[18:49] <vish> nah... just idle chat :)
[18:49] <ikonia> I'm interested
[18:50] <humphreybc> righto good good
[18:50] <sebsebseb> ikonia: well ubottu, manualbot, and so on, still have a !hi factoid.  Maybe !hi should get removed from #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1?  Like !love was
[18:50] <humphreybc> i'm sorry I can't stay and chat guys, i've got 5 hours worth of back to back lectures to contend with today
[18:51] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: ah right yeah, you told us about an exam before
[18:51] <ikonia> sebsebseb: it has it's place, it can be useful, more so in busy channels
[18:51] <humphreybc> oh no it's not an exam
[18:51] <jmburgess> sadly my school is just starting tomorrow
[18:51] <humphreybc> these are just regular lectures :(
[18:51] <jmburgess> not looking forward to that
[18:51] <humphreybc> oh noes we're losing everyone to school
[18:51] <humphreybc> oh jmburgess while you're here
[18:51] <jmburgess> yep?
[18:52] <humphreybc> could you email the mailing list and basically give everyone a "final call" to get their opinions in on the new ToC?
[18:52] <jmburgess> humphreybc: I thought it is summer where you are
[18:52] <jmburgess> yep
[18:52] <humphreybc> because i'd like to change over to the new ToC asap - probably sometime today/tonight
[18:52] <ikonia> Toc ?
[18:52] <sebsebseb> ikonia: Tables Of Contents
[18:52] <sebsebseb> Table rather no s
[18:52] <humphreybc> ahm it's meant to be summer but when you're at 45 degrees latitude south it's freezing cold. I'm doing summer school.
[18:53] <ikonia> ah
[18:53] <humphreybc> alright sweet. what time is it over where you live jmburgess?
[18:53] <sebsebseb> ikonia: exactly an interesting project it should be, their was quite a lot of media attention articles/blogs
[18:53] <humphreybc> because it's like 8am here and after I finish lectures i'll work on changing the wiki and blueprints over to the new ToC. So everyone has about 6 hours to get their opinions in before a final decision is made :)
[18:54] <ikonia> I've not read any of the media / blog posts on it to be honest
[18:54] <jmburgess> nice
[18:54] <jmburgess> it is 1:54 pm
[18:54] <humphreybc> oh awesome well that's not too bad
[18:54] <jmburgess> nope
[18:54] <jmburgess> I will send out the email now
[18:54] <dutchie> jmburgess: you in the states?
[18:54] <humphreybc> so i'll be back at about 8pm your time
[18:55] <jmburgess> dutchie: yep
[18:55] <jmburgess> Pittsburgh area
[18:55] <humphreybc> oh yeah dutchie this probably applies to you too if you want to help with the latex conversion xD
[18:55] <dutchie> we're spread right across the world then
[18:55] <jmburgess> dutchie: you?
[18:55] <dutchie> uk
[18:55] <jmburgess> nice
[18:55] <humphreybc> it truly is an international project :)
[18:55] <jmburgess> yep
[18:55] <humphreybc> oh and btw
[18:55] <sebsebseb> ikonia: Well I never checked out the Lucid blue prints in full, just some, but the manual has something  as well I think.   Anyway IRC channel, and then a link that took me to an article about it.  That's how I found out about this project the other night.  Then told someone about it and he has done some cover art work.
[18:55] <dutchie> gives us a nice coverage of the time zones too
[18:55] <humphreybc> i stuck Jamin Day in charge of editing
[18:56] <humphreybc> so he's going to find out who else wants to edit, and sort out the editing team
[18:56] <humphreybc> then he's going to assign an editor to each chapter
[18:56] <jmburgess> I will redo a bunch of the latex stuff tonight, and email everyone when I push the revision
[18:56] <humphreybc> the editors will work as a two person team with the authors of each chapter
[18:56] <humphreybc> dutchie: we can work 24 hours!
[18:56] <dutchie> :)
[18:56] <jmburgess> yeah humphreybc when you go to sleep, I wake up generally
[18:57] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: ah yes  time zones, but this is The Internet
[18:57] <humphreybc> i haven't emailed anyone about the new editing thing yet, but i'll do that this afternoon
[18:57] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: so people are indeed in different time zones
[18:57] <humphreybc> Jamin wants better communication between the editing team and the authors, so we're going to make full use of the whiteboards on blueprints
[18:58] <jmburgess> sounds good
[18:58] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: people working on the project 24 hours, sounds like a nice idea
[18:58]  * humphreybc needs to buy a linux friendly printer today - ideas?
[18:59] <dutchie> HP
[18:59] <jmburgess> hp
[18:59] <ikonia> HP is the only way to go
[18:59] <humphreybc> really?
[18:59] <jmburgess> I have a wireless hp printer and it is excellent
[18:59] <vish> humphreybc: BTW , did you get my mail?
[18:59] <jmburgess> and does duplex
[18:59] <sebsebseb> I don't know that much about printers, but why you guys think HP is the best?
[18:59] <humphreybc> there's a cheap Canon Pixma that has downloadable .deb drivers from their site
[19:00] <humphreybc> and also their own .deb scanning software
[19:00] <humphreybc> but i'll look for an HP
[19:00] <vish> humphreybc: cover + the lynx
[19:00] <humphreybc> the guy in the shop totally won't know anything about linux
[19:00] <jmburgess> vish: where is it?
[19:00] <humphreybc> vish: yup i did and I replied
[19:00] <ikonia> sebsebseb: support
[19:00] <jmburgess> humphreybc: correct, HP likes linux
[19:00] <humphreybc> okay HP it is then
[19:00] <vish> jmburgess: i added it to the wiki too
[19:00] <ikonia> sebsebseb: hp printers have the best linux support
[19:00] <sebsebseb> ikonia: drivers from HP for Linux you mean or?
[19:00] <humphreybc> nah canon had drivers on their site
[19:00] <humphreybc> in .deb and .rpm
[19:00] <ikonia> sebsebseb: no, things like cups have compatible drivers, and HP activly develop them for linux too
[19:01] <sebsebseb> ikonia: ah ok thanks
[19:01] <humphreybc> and also their own scanning software. but if you guys think HP, then HP it is - provided I can find something under $150
[19:01] <jmburgess> I think the lynx is too prominant
[19:01] <humphreybc> vish: yeh i replied, basically just asked if you could move the lynx down a bit so it's nearer to the bottom edge.
[19:02] <jmburgess> humphreybc: hahaha exactly
[19:02]  * vish checks mail
[19:03] <vish> jmburgess: well , i didnt actually do the lynx :)
[19:03] <jmburgess> right I know
[19:03] <jmburgess> can you I guess lower the opacity maybe
[19:03] <jmburgess> im not sure
[19:03] <humphreybc> the lynx looks sweet tho, but make it look more like wolters mockup in size and opacity
[19:03] <humphreybc> and position
[19:03] <humphreybc> it's too high on the page
[19:03] <jmburgess> humphreybc: agreed
[19:04] <humphreybc> i might have a go at a mockup this afternoon too
[19:04] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: oh that other lynx  I didn't like as much as wolters
[19:04] <humphreybc> yeah the other lynx looks good on thorwil's only
[19:04] <humphreybc> as he said he originally made it for a T shirt
[19:04] <humphreybc> hence why it has the square proportion
[19:04] <humphreybc> or rectangular rather
[19:04] <humphreybc> okay i gotta shoot
[19:04] <sebsebseb> well I am sure that t shirt looks  great, if it still exists
[19:05] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: probably a nice t shirt yeah, anyway ok bye
[19:06] <jmburgess> cya sebsebseb
[19:07] <sebsebseb> jmburgess: no I am not going he is, are you as well?
[19:08] <humphreybc> oh also
[19:09] <humphreybc> you know how we have a prologue + 9 chapters in the new ToC
[19:09] <humphreybc> why don't we just make the prologue chapter 1 and then push everything down one number
[19:09] <humphreybc> so then we'll have ten chapters again
[19:09] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: ok that wasn't really for me, but by the way I read the meeting log
[19:09] <humphreybc> ok that's all good sebsebseb
[19:09] <humphreybc> anyway have a think about that, makes sense to me
[19:10] <humphreybc> and less blueprints to change
[19:10] <humphreybc> righto bye!
[19:10] <sebsebseb> ok bye
[19:10] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: bye
[19:11] <vish> humphreybc: just a sec
[19:13] <vish> humphreybc: jmburgess: http://imagebin.ca/view/34zc4T.html
[19:13] <vish> bigger and lighter
[19:15] <vish> the lynx needs a bit more work... since the version you sent has a lot of problems
[19:16] <vish> just adding the transparency creates problems... :/
[19:17] <sebsebseb> vish: I think he has already gone
[19:17] <vish> yeah
[19:30] <vish> http://imagebin.ca/view/vGZGXZOU.html ... this looks ok size to me... anything bigger would be frightening  ;)
[19:39] <vish> scaled to 500px width
[19:39] <vish> http://imagebin.ca/view/X9Sien.html
[19:40] <vish> humphreybc: when you get back ping me... if it needs to be bigger/smaller...
[19:44] <vish> hmm , less scary eyes... > http://imagebin.ca/view/eyotBuWB.html
[19:47] <vish> argh! its tough working on someone else's source :/
[19:48] <dutchie> ooh, that's better
[19:48] <vish> dutchie: the last one?
[19:48] <dutchie> yeah
[19:48] <dutchie> without the scary eyes
[19:49] <vish> yeah, the yellow was drawing too much attention


[13:43] <scratchy> AWESOME
[13:43] <scratchy> Ubuntu Ireland !
[13:44] <zmoylan-rpi> tis a quiet channel
[13:44] <zmoylan-rpi> but someone is usually here
[13:45] <scratchy> Cool :) Nice to meet you !
[13:45] <scratchy> I was actually looking for some kind of ubuntu related irish community
[13:46] <zmoylan-rpi> then airurando is a person who pops in a few times a week. keep an eye out for them.
[13:47] <zmoylan-rpi> there's also a more active general linux community at #linux on irc.linux.ie
[13:47] <scratchy> Im learning for my LPI exams
[13:47] <zmoylan-rpi> cool
[13:47] <scratchy> and I can use all the help and information I can get my hands on
[13:48] <scratchy> Im a dutch guy who moved to ireland like a year and a half ago :)
[13:49] <scratchy> So still trying to find my way to get to meet some linux minded people
[13:49] <scratchy> maybe attend some meet-ups if any available
[13:51] <zmoylan-rpi> there used to be monthly meetups for ubuntu but they tapered off.  there is an occasional potd (pint of the day) for ilug (irish linux user group)
[13:53] <zmoylan-rpi> it's easier to organise folk in winter when weather is conducive to meeting indoors :-)
[13:58] <ebel> There's also a few hackerspaces. TOG in Dublin etc
[13:59] <zmoylan-rpi> yup. i think they're having a social soon
[14:00] <zmoylan-rpi> sat 21st from this email list
[14:02] <zmoylan-rpi> there are other hackerspaces if you aren't based in dublin
[14:06] <ebel> has IRC too #tog
[14:07] <zmoylan-rpi> i keep meaning to log in but never get around to it...
[14:07] <slashbel> coder night was last night, was good fun
[14:07] <slashbel> all events are open to the public
[14:44] <tdr112> welcome scratchy
[14:52] <scratchy> Thanks
[14:52] <scratchy> Sorry was busy on a call
[14:52] <scratchy> :)
[14:53] <scratchy> based in Cork
[14:55] <zmoylan-rpi> there is a hacker space in cork isn't there?
[14:56] <ebel> nexus cork
[14:56] <zmoylan-rpi> nexus
[14:56] <zmoylan-rpi> http://www.hackerspacecork.com/
[15:33] <scratchy> Thanks
[15:54] <scratchy> WEEKEND TIME :)
[15:54] <scratchy> See you guys later
[15:54] <scratchy> thanks for the info


[04:30] <BobJonkman> Hi all:  It seems the URL for the LoCo Events iCal feed has changed...  I find that today none of my calendar feeds are working correctly (ubuntu-ca iCal on Google, Lightning).  Substituting the link currently on the LoCo page does work.  Is this intentional?  Will the new url be stable?
[12:56] <mhall119> cjohnston: ^^ did we change ical urls in LTP?
[16:15] <cjohnston> mhall119:  not that I'm aware of
[16:16] <mhall119> I wonder if it was a team name change
[16:32] <cjohnston> me too
[23:09] <svwilliams> cjohnston, ping
[23:10] <cjohnston> pong
[23:10] <svwilliams> hey, any news on lp:707131
[23:11] <svwilliams> the display log urls
[23:11] <cjohnston> bug 707131
[23:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707131 in loco-team-portal "No link is displayed for agenda item logs (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707131
[23:11] <cjohnston> ok
[23:11] <svwilliams> thank you :-)
[23:12] <svwilliams> didn't know how to trigger the bot
[23:12] <cjohnston> im still not sure
[23:12] <svwilliams> ok
[23:12] <svwilliams> no worries
[23:12] <cjohnston> here is my fear
[23:12] <cjohnston> if you go to the team page
[23:12] <cjohnston> there are ~4 icons
[23:12] <svwilliams> I'm still working on the kinks in bug 706742
[23:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 706742 in loco-team-portal "Allow custom meeting log urls (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706742
[23:12] <cjohnston> we have a bug filed against that because htere is no text to go with it
[23:12] <svwilliams> yeah thats where I took the icon from
[23:13] <cjohnston> so i am not sure about doing another one
[23:13] <svwilliams> the irc icon (shrunk it down to fit the line)
[23:13] <cjohnston> otoh, i know what it is, and it has an alt and a rollover
[23:13] <cjohnston> 706742 you need to add the migration script to the brnahc
[23:14] <svwilliams> ?
[23:15] <cjohnston> ok...
[23:15] <cjohnston> here is my suggestion
[23:15] <cjohnston> leave the logs field as it was..
[23:15] <cjohnston> add an override_log field
[23:16] <svwilliams> oh I have it mostly working
[23:16] <svwilliams> as is without a new field
[23:16] <svwilliams> I have a check for the generated URL
[23:16] <svwilliams> and if it was generated I have it ... you know what thats bad
[23:16] <svwilliams> what if the manually entered url meets the criteria
[23:16] <svwilliams> ok so back to your suggestion
[23:17] <svwilliams> add an override_log field
[23:17] <cjohnston> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltp-devs/loco-team-portal/0.2/view/head:/loco_directory/events/models.py#L129
[23:18] <cjohnston> add override_log to pretty much match what is on that line ^
[23:18] <cjohnston> then add override_log in form.py
[23:18] <cjohnston> forms.py
[23:18] <cjohnston> then on the template:
[23:19] <cjohnston> if override_log
[23:19] <cjohnston> display override_log
[23:19] <cjohnston> else
[23:19] <cjohnston> display logs
[23:20] <svwilliams> ok, I'll try that this week ... came down with bronchitis this weekend so I haven't been doing as much
[23:20] <svwilliams> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltp-devs/loco-team-portal/0.2/view/head:/loco_directory/meetings/models.py#L20
[23:20] <cjohnston> np
[23:21] <cjohnston> I've been trying to do summit stuff plus some other stuff i took on
[23:21] <svwilliams> do you need a hand with the summit stuff
[23:21] <svwilliams> should I start looking into bugs there next?
[23:21] <svwilliams> I know you mentioned that summit had alot going on this cycle?
[23:22] <cjohnston> ya... if you want.. the summit stuff may be mostly advanced type stuff
[23:22] <cjohnston> but help is always welcome
[23:24] <svwilliams> What IDE do you use for developing with django and python?
[23:25] <svwilliams> I've been trying out Geany I think mhall119 mentioned it once to someone
[23:25] <cjohnston> i use geany or nano
[23:25] <svwilliams> ok, I'm used to eclipse with projects at work in php and java
[23:26] <svwilliams> so I'm still getting used to geany
[23:26] <cjohnston> ya..
[23:26] <cjohnston> i used to use notepad++ in the day, so geany was an easy step