[10:37] <Zic> hi, I read that, in Unity 8, the devteam will port "QML to C++", but can you explain a little bit: AFAIK, QML is just for the UI part, and C++ was used for "logic/core" code in all Unity 8 apps
[10:37] <Zic> so, it's just "porting" the UI/QML part directly to C++?
[11:27] <Saviq> Zic, not sure where you've read that, but the plan is basically to port some heavier QML components to C++ for performance reasons
[11:52] <Zic> Saviq: on the developers blog :)
[11:52] <Zic> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/03/23/ride-us-road-ui-toolkit-20/
[11:53] <Saviq> Zic, so that's about the SDK, but yes, the principle is the same - and they've already been doing that for a few components
[12:17] <mterry_> mzanetti, I was just using authenticator on a newly flashed phone.  Went to the camera bit, and when I clicked "Allow" on the trust dialog for the camera, my phone rebooted...  :-/
[12:17] <mterry_> mzanetti, probably not authenticators fault though
[12:18] <mzanetti> oh wow :D
[12:18] <mzanetti> that sounds like it smashed the android side of things
[12:19] <mterry_> mzanetti, oooh, it seems repeatable?
[12:19] <mterry_> this is on arale
[12:19] <mzanetti> mterry_, you want to track down someone in #phablet I think
[12:19] <mterry_> k
[12:20] <mzanetti> mterry_, fwiw, all authenticator does is to use a "Camera {}" element and a VideoOutput {} for it. not even taking pictures or anything
[12:20] <mzanetti> just displaying it
[12:22] <Zic> Saviq: thanks for your answer :)
[12:30] <tsdgeos> cimi: more stuff to fix https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/uitkPageHeader/+merge/293608/comments/753501
[12:41] <cimi> tsdgeos, fixed
[12:54] <tsdgeos> cimi: sorry found another thing ^_^
[12:55] <tsdgeos> cimi: while fixing it, could you also add a space to "contents:Item {"
[13:56] <tsdgeos> cimi: you need to merge & fix the card creator tests from https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/card-social/+merge/289663
[13:56] <tsdgeos> cimi: ideally "now"
[14:24] <pstolowski> cimi, hey, can you do that fix? it's under QA now but needed rebuilding due to recent unity8 landing... and now it fails, need to sort to out to unblock qa
[14:25] <cimi> pstolowski, tsdgeos literally just pushed now
[14:25] <cimi> pstolowski, tsdgeos just testCardCreator was failing?
[14:25] <Saviq> pstolowski, there's another unity8 landing under QA right now
[14:28] <pstolowski> oh
[14:28] <cimi> tsdgeos, on https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/uitkPageHeader/+merge/293608/comments/753507 what should have the focus?
[14:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, for me the behavior is correct :))
[14:37] <tsdgeos> it is not
[14:37] <tsdgeos> it's basically the same as when you press on a result
[14:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, imagine you type something to search, then you click on filters, you reclick and you go back where you left
[14:38] <tsdgeos> cimi: you reclick where?
[14:38] <cimi> tsdgeos, no because I closed the filters popup
[14:38] <cimi> tsdgeos, I get the departments navigation back
[14:38] <tsdgeos> why should you?
[14:40] <tsdgeos> i mean it's not like you cancelled or anything
[14:46] <cimi> tsdgeos, have a look, to me it feels "let's go back where it started"
[14:46] <cimi> tsdgeos, mail
[14:48] <Saviq> pstolowski, sorry about that... apparently people don't care about social things - they do about WiDi, though....
[14:49] <tsdgeos> cimi: that just works because you clicked again on the "filters" icon
[14:49] <tsdgeos> and in your mind you closed them
[14:49] <tsdgeos> cimi: now click down of the filters popup
[14:50] <cimi> tsdgeos, but even if I press elsewhere in my mind I closed them
[14:50] <cimi> no?
[14:50] <tsdgeos> cimi: of course you did, why do departments show again?
[14:52] <cimi> tsdgeos, in the last one I just sent, you expect *everything* to close?
[14:52] <cimi> tsdgeos, basically go back to beginning instead showing departments?
[14:52] <tsdgeos> cimi: i expect it to behave like it does without your branch
[14:52] <tsdgeos> we're swapping one component for another
[14:52] <tsdgeos> not changign the behaviour
[14:53] <cimi> tsdgeos, I agree on that - I was just wondering if this new "unwanted" behavior was more correct
[14:53] <tsdgeos> cimi: since we disagree on wheter it's beter or not i guess you'll have to invoke Patricia :D
[14:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: honestly the important part on that silo is not social cards but "qml preview models are much more awesome now"
[14:56] <tsdgeos> Saviq: and i'm pretty sure all our users would appreciate that
[14:56] <tsdgeos> not the handful of ones we actually are giving WiDi to
[14:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, pstolowski, we're gonna land at least one more silo for unity8 OTA11, so not all is lost
[14:57] <Saviq> assuming there's no strings in 71
[14:59] <tsdgeos> think not
[14:59]  * tsdgeos demands independence :D
[14:59] <tsdgeos> now seriously, a separate package for the dash may actually make the landigns easier?
[14:59] <pstolowski> Saviq, nope, no strings. yes, we need to land this... a couple of fixes there too, plus some improvements PM wanted
[15:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, not impossbile
[15:01] <tsdgeos> i guess there's some stuff we share thought
[15:01] <tsdgeos> -t
[15:01] <tsdgeos> like qml/Components
[15:01] <tsdgeos> so not trivial either
[16:59] <om26er> morphis, Hi!
[20:03] <zzarr> hello! where are the log files for unity8 stored?
[20:04] <zzarr> apps crash when I launch them
[20:17] <om26er> Saviq, around ?
[20:18] <om26er> Saviq, unity8 session does not start after latest updates from the overlay ppa
[20:54] <mterry_> josharenson, I saw the slim greeter branch got a code update -- is that ready for a re-look?
[20:55] <josharenson> mterry_: no, just keeping it current. There is a vterm issue with mir that I thought was resolved in 0.23, but its not
[20:55] <mterry_> gotcha
[20:55] <josharenson> mterry_: Its regressed, won't run under mir at all now
[20:56] <mterry_> :(
[20:56]  * josharenson is frustrated
[20:57]  * mterry_ gives josharenson a shoulder rub
[20:57] <josharenson> haha
[20:57]  * josharenson feels marginally better
[20:57] <mterry_> :)
[20:58] <Saviq> mterry_, we were discussing with josharenson it might be time for you to actually flip ownership of those as he's getting further and further away from it
[20:58] <Saviq> wdyt?
[20:58] <josharenson> mterry_: also robert looked at the lightdm patch I pushed to fix xmir, and it might not be necessary anymore, but I can't test it until mir works
[20:59] <mterry_> Saviq, uh sure?  I'd have to get up to speed again, but ok
[20:59] <Saviq> mterry_, I just feel you know more of the road ahead by now so can make more informed calls
[21:00] <Saviq> your guys' call
[21:00] <Saviq> I can see us pushing for landing this after OTA11 is cut
[21:01] <mterry_> Saviq, yeah makes sense.  I bet josharenson is tired of greeter by now too.  :)  josharenson, we can just trade off each year until it lands in 2020
[21:01] <Saviq> :D
[21:01] <josharenson> Saviq: I want to be able to land the branches I have now, but I need mir help
[21:01] <josharenson> mterry_: haha
[21:06] <Saviq> josharenson, do you have a PoC in Mir team or need some help getting their hands on?
[21:07] <josharenson> Saviq: RAOF pointed me to the fix the other day, but it didn't work for me
[21:08] <Saviq> josharenson, suppose he should be around soon?
[21:08] <josharenson> Saviq: yeah, I'll try and ping him in an hour or two
[21:08] <Saviq> but then you're closing in to your EOD
[21:08] <josharenson> Saviq: meh
[21:09] <josharenson> good excuse to not go to the gym today
[23:33] <RAOF> josharenson: That ‘use /dev/tty0’ patch didn't fix your problem? Yay (:
[23:33] <RAOF> :(


[10:09] <jbicha> darkxst: we got Evolution 3.24 and vala 0.36 in this week
[10:11] <darkxst> jbicha, grerat!
[10:11] <darkxst> great!
[10:11] <darkxst> I've had another crazy week dealing with camera people
[10:12] <jbicha> you don't have to install them yourself, do you?
[10:12] <darkxst> yes I installed them
[10:13] <darkxst> then managed to get one of the techs up here, because they werent working!
[10:14] <darkxst> i am somewhat sick of dealing with incompetent engineers that are probably getting paid double what I do
[10:15] <jbicha> :(
[10:15] <darkxst> only across 3 different projects
[10:16] <darkxst> makes we wonder how normal businesses deal with these companies
[10:17] <darkxst> I get my way because I call their bullshit, but most wouldnt
[10:18] <darkxst> even know


[00:00] <fmi> I talked w/ the isp, and they said they were seeing the mac but not my linux box... v.v
[00:02] <fmi> I also did a few innternet searches, but didn't find any thing useful.
[00:03] <fmi> Thanks for your help.
[00:07] <kewlioo> hello
[00:07] <kewlioo> can someone help me with connecting to my windows netshares
[00:15] <BluesKaj> kewlioo, windows on a different partition , or on a LAN?
[00:19] <quark2> greetings
[00:19] <quark2> anyone here might be able to help me with a mount issue?
[00:35] <zeltak> hya..anyone knows how to launch a command line program in konsole but with have konsole launch with a specific user defined icon?
[00:36] <fmi> zeltak: not right off hand, but wine does it so maybe their methods would work...
[00:36] <zeltak> wine? do you know how they do it?
[00:37] <fmi> hmmm. my linux box isn't up right now...
[00:38] <fmi> I'll start it...
[00:38] <zeltak> kk  no worries thx anyway fmi
[00:38] <zeltak> ahh k cool :)
[00:39] <fmi> just a word of warning though: I,m kind of, like, NOT a linux expert... :-P
[00:39] <zeltak> no worries im not an expert either :-)
[00:42] <fmi> r u in a debian based  distro, or sthg else?
[00:44] <fmi> ok. this may or may not work... make a new file in yr favourite text editor...
[00:47] <fmi> then: http://pastebin.com/CUxQKTW1
[00:47] <fmi> save it as (whatever).desktop
[00:47] <zeltak> ok
[00:48] <fmi> as I said, this might not work. sorry if it doesn't...
[00:51] <zeltak> no worries, thx anyway fmi
[00:52] <fmi> btw, remember to replace the values in ()s w/ the correct stuff... hehe
[00:52] <zeltak> kk cool thx
[00:52] <fmi> also btw, please tell me if it works... ;-)
[01:00] <zeltak> fmi: sure but i need to go now..will post here later thx again
[01:45] <odhinn> Hello, all!!
[02:01] <zus> hi
[02:30] <digital__> hi all
[02:30] <digital__> any one not sleaping?
[02:32] <gaddman> exit
[02:44] <wizkoder> moin
[02:58] <scrambled> i am trying to connect to my wireless WEP network, I entered the key but i can not connect.  iwconfig  shows the ESSID field scrambled, that is a long of string of garbage characters
[02:58] <scrambled> it may be related to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/575960
[03:10] <mackan> I just installed Kubuntu Netbook edition on my eeepc 901
[03:10] <mackan> during the installation everything worked just fine
[03:11] <mackan> but when I booted into it the keyboard and the touchpad doesn't work
[03:11] <mackan> is this a common problem?
[03:11] <mackan> it seems weird to me as both worked out of the box when installing from the usb stick
[03:16] <Barridus_> is it possible to remove the "page one" activity, and just have the search and launch in the netbook remix?
[04:06] <sobczyk> vmware player is not in repositories?
[04:32] <Peregrinus_> Howdy folks.  Anyone have time to help a newbie?
[04:34] <DarthFrog> !help | Peregrinus_
[04:36] <Peregrinus_> I'm trying to play a DVD.  I've installed Xine, and according to KPackageKit I have libdvdcss2 installed.  No luck.
[04:37] <zus> Peregrinus_,  try "sudo apt-get install w32codecs"  (without the quotes)  to install non-native codecs
[04:38] <zus> Peregrinus_,  if you have a 32bit system
[04:38] <zus> Peregrinus_,  or if you have a 64 bit system "sudo apt-get install w64codecs"
[04:39] <Peregrinus_> I think I might have tried that already.  This is the error I received when I typed that just now (after entering my password, obviously):  Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package (cont)
[04:40] <Peregrinus_> "This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source."
[04:40] <Peregrinus_> "E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate"
[04:49] <DarthFrog> !medibuntu
[04:49] <DarthFrog> Peregrinus_: You need medibuntu.
[04:54] <Peregrinus_> Is there a specific version of Medibuntu for Kubuntu?
[04:57] <zus> Peregrinus_,  kubuntu is ubuntu with the KDE so they share the same repository, but this too may help: http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid
[05:09] <Peregrinus_> Aha!  Thank you very much, folks.
[05:09] <DarthFrog> You're welcome.
[05:09] <zus> Peregrinus_,  you're welcome.
[05:11] <zus> does anyone use an anti-virus on thier machines?.. and what is good  for linux based systems i just seen avg has a linux version just now.
[05:11] <bazhang> clamav
[05:12] <zus> thanks brb going to check them on the googles
[05:12] <bazhang> !info clamav
[05:13] <bronlar> ahh the trick to get wireless working on install is to boot from the desktop l;ive cd then setup the connection before clicking the install icon
[05:13] <DarthFrog> In Linux, viruses work on the honour system.
[05:13] <naidu> date
[05:13] <bronlar> i dont use an anti virus
[05:14] <bronlar> are there many viruses in linux?
[05:14] <DarthFrog> No.
[05:14] <DarthFrog> It's not that Linux is immune to viruses.  But it is inherently very resistant.
[05:15] <bronlar> nods
[05:15] <bronlar> should i install an anti virus?
[05:15] <bazhang> not really
[05:15] <DarthFrog> The privilige separation of user from root provides powerful immunity.
[05:15] <bronlar> i have a fresh kubuntu 10.04 installl now and tis the onmly os working on my pc atm until i edit my enu.lst
[05:15] <bronlar> menu.lst* and fix what grub 2 messd up
[05:16] <DarthFrog> An anti-virus program is not needed, if you aren't running as root and aren't "promiscuous".
[05:16] <DarthFrog> :-)
[05:16] <bronlar> well im a bit promiscuous
[05:16] <bronlar> lol
[05:17] <zus> bronlar,  hey there
[05:17] <bronlar> yay an update to grub ill run sudo upate-grub after i reboot
[05:17] <bronlar> hi zus
[05:18] <zus> i dont have one, but im also not taking for granted why we dont get virus'...
[05:18] <bronlar> ill prolly needa reboot then ill brb
[05:18] <zus> hey bron
[05:18] <zus> bronlar,
[05:18] <zus> i forget that tab key
[05:18] <bronlar> well talk in a little bit zus. u had some questions for me
[05:18] <zus> bronlar,  yea, ill wait then thank you
[05:18] <bronlar> jus /msg me
[05:19] <bronlar> yw, anytime
[06:09] <ubuntu_> Hello, I seem to have a problem, My computer will not boot up properly anymore
[06:09] <ubuntu_> I was told by some1 to try a grub restore
[06:10] <ubuntu_> My sys has Win 7 and Lucid Lynx installed on it, but neither will currently boot
[06:10] <ubuntu_> I am given an error after BIOS:  "Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key"
[06:11] <ubuntu_> Is there ne1 who can laed me in the right direction?
[06:14] <bronlar> later all going afk to work on some source code
[06:39] <bronlar> shoot a compile error on my first compile of my project :(
[06:39] <bronlar> anyone know what idlc is?
[06:41] <ubuntu_> I am looking to restore GRUB on my Kubuntu 10.04/Win 7 system, is there ne1 that can help me do this
[06:41] <ubuntu_> I seem to have  a MBR prob
[06:56] <ubuntu_> Can anyone here help me restore GRUB for my Kubuntu 10.04/Win 7 install
[06:58] <bronlar> my kubuntu 10.04 also scrrewed my windows boot
[06:58] <ubuntu_> bronlar: were you able to fix it?
[06:58] <bronlar> try sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, and sudo grub-update
[06:58] <bronlar> not yet
[06:58] <ubuntu_> bronlar: Mine didn't happen until I installed CS4 and then updated it
[06:58] <bronlar> i have winxp pro
[06:59] <ubuntu_> restarted pc and now can't load into anything, I'm on a live cd now
[06:59] <bronlar> yup som,etimes i seen updates do that
[06:59] <bronlar> try reinstalling kubuntu
[06:59] <bronlar> that may work
[06:59] <bronlar> but setup yer network connection from the libve cd first before clicking the install icon
[06:59] <ubuntu_> if I reinstall Kub, will my Win 7 stay on my system?
[06:59] <ubuntu_> and work?
[06:59] <bronlar> then execute in a shell what io said above
[07:00] <bronlar> so long as u have kub on another partition or seperate drive
[07:00] <bronlar> i have 3 other linux os'es and a winxop pro install and nothig else works now but kubuntu
[07:00] <ubuntu_> so reinstall 10.04 then update/upgrade GRUB using those commands and see if it works?
[07:01] <bronlar> they really screwed up with 10.04 how grub auto detects other os'es and what it enters into menu.lst
[07:01] <bronlar> yup
[07:01] <bronlar> itll update yer whole system
[07:01] <bronlar> at least yer kubuntu system
[07:01] <ubuntu_> I guess I'll give it a shot
[07:01] <bronlar> if it works, lemme know
[07:01] <bronlar> its worth a shot
[07:01] <ubuntu_> and you think Win 7 may be okay, as in I wont have to reinstall it?
[07:01] <bronlar> i think i kkknow why my win doesnt boot
[07:02] <ubuntu_> whys that
[07:02] <bronlar> but thats just how my system config is setup grub set the wrong hdd as root for doze
[07:02] <bronlar> i wanna install kgrub and see if editing my menu.lst from there fixes it
[07:02] <ubuntu_> ok, i might give it a shot
[07:02] <ubuntu_> thanks bud
[07:03] <bronlar> if what i told ya dont work install kgrub and manually check out yer boot entry for doze and see if you needa change anything
[07:04] <ubuntu_> bronlar: Hey
[07:04] <ubuntu_> bronlar: If I reinstall and manual select partitions to install the stuff on, how do I know which partitions to choose?
[07:04] <ubuntu_> In other words what should I manually set up to maintain the Win 7 stuff
[07:05] <bronlar> yes choose manually setup partition
[07:05] <bronlar> so u get one seprate from yer doze one
[07:05] <bronlar> and if that dioesnt fixit manual;ly edit yer menu.lsty with kgrub
[07:06] <bronlar> thats what i gotta do
[07:06] <bronlar> hopefully i can get all my other os'es to boot then
[07:07] <ubuntu_> do I need to manually select a partition for swap boot or ne thing else?
[07:09] <zus> bronlar, hey man...?
[07:09] <tristan3199> i have mabey five minutes of experince with ubuntu in kde.. is that the same as kubuntu?
[07:10] <tristan3199> i cant seem to connect to my router
[07:10] <tristan3199> anybody there?
[07:11] <zus> hello again, my net went down
[07:12] <tristan3199> is ubuntu W/ kde the same as kubuntu
[07:12] <zus> tristan3199,  yep
[07:12] <tristan3199> also where do i look to connect to the net on my laptop
[07:12] <zus> kubuntu is Ubuntu but with the K Desktop Enviroment
[07:13] <tristan3199> i cant seem to find network manager like gnome in the to right
[07:13] <zus> networkmanager
[07:13] <bronlar> under system settings
[07:13] <zus> bottom right
[07:13] <tristan3199> to - top*
[07:13] <bronlar> in the start menu
[07:13] <zus> in the widgets on the taskbar
[07:13] <bronlar> lol both actually
[07:14] <tristan3199> on a tab?
[07:14] <zus> in the menu is under computer
[07:14] <tristan3199> in that bar that pops up when you click the bottom left?
[07:14] <tristan3199> or bottom right ... sorry
[07:16] <zus> by the clock there is a cashew for more settings
[07:16] <tristan3199> sorry.. im using gnome currently... ill log out and hopefully find it... will i have all the same apps and settings in kde as gnome?
[07:16] <zus> thats a diferent enviroment gnome is
[07:18] <tristan3199> so... before i leave... ill go to kde... sign in... goto the widgets deal in the bottom right... and next to a clock i can find network manager
[07:19] <ubuntu_> I'm looking to restore GRUB on Lucid Lynx which is set up for a dual boot with Win 7, can ne1 help me
[07:20] <tristan3199> i have a grub question also.. as the computer boots.. the W7 grub is first.. Windows is default ubuntu is second.. can i make ubuntu default on the W7 grub?
[07:21] <bronlar> yes
[07:22] <bronlar> install kgrub and set it to default thru kgrub grub menu.lst hui editor
[07:22] <bronlar> hui = gui
[07:24] <zus> tristan3199,  if you can log on with gnome i assume ya can too with kde as well
[07:27] <bronlar> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kgrubeditor/files/kgrubeditor/KGRUBEditor%200.8.5/KGRUBEditor-0.8.5-src.tar.bz2/download
[07:27] <bronlar> darn they left
[07:34] <bsanders> Is there anything particular gain from Kubuntu Netbook vs. Kubuntu standard?
[07:34] <bsanders> s/anything/any/
[07:35] <bronlar> designed specifically for netbooks perhaps? ligther, and with proprietary drivers would be my guess
[07:35] <bronlar> if u have a netbook use that version
[07:35] <zus> a smaller gui to fit the screen
[07:35] <bronlar> nods
[07:36] <bronlar> proprietary wireless , video, and sound drivers i would also likewise assume
[07:39] <bsanders> zus, bronlar, thanks :o)
[07:39]  * zus nods at bsanders
[07:41] <bronlar> yw
[07:46] <cameron_> I dunno how I feel about this whole Kubuntu thing
[07:46] <cameron_> I dunno how I feel about KDE at all... this is the second time i'm giving it a chance though
[07:47] <bronlar> gnome is much like winblows
[07:47] <bronlar> kde has more functional features and is more unique and richer imho
[07:47] <bronlar> i prefer kde
[07:50] <zus> i prefer KDE but im finding out i could have installed into gnome what i use from kde,...
[07:51]  * bronlar nods.
[07:52] <zus> i like dolphin over nautilus, i feel it does the samethings and then some...now if i can mount .iso....
[07:53] <cameron_> part of me wants to spazz out when I see what obviously was KDE programs running in Gnome
[07:55] <bronlar> the mount command can be used to mount isos
[07:58] <zus> i got virtual box now i dont know why i didnt use it before.
[07:59] <bronlar> i got vmware workstation 7
[08:11] <zus> i wonder if my pc can handle windows 7 even if it is in virtual box
[08:16] <bronlar> brb gotta reboot
[08:17]  * hubutm20 is away: Estoy ocupado
[08:17] <bronlar> yeh ima try that too in vmware
[08:38] <tristan3199> hi. i cant seem to connect to the net
[08:39] <tristan3199> i have no problem in gnome... but kde is so different that i cant find a place to ask my computer to connect
[08:39] <tristan3199> it will not connect automatically as gnome will
[08:40] <tristan3199> how do i find networkmanager
[08:41] <tristan3199> anyone there?
[08:42] <tristan3199> for being a chat room not much chatting going on
[08:42] <tristan3199> people come here and talk to themself often?
[08:42] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: hi
[08:42] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: which kubuntu and kde version?
[08:42] <tristan3199> 10.04
[08:42] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: the default kde?
[08:43] <tristan3199> im a noob... where do i look
[08:43] <tristan3199> i am running gnome now
[08:43] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: well there should be a network manager in the sys tray
[08:44] <tristan3199> i have ubuntu 10.04 and tried out kde.... with no internet... cant find network manager anywhere
[08:44] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: like i said,it should be in the systray
[08:44] <zus> or under computer in the menu
[08:45] <sfears> might not be in the systray if the network adapters are not registered correctally
[08:45] <tristan3199> i have a few icons... non of witch are related to the net.. how can i add network manager
[08:45] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: you can also start it by pressing alt+F2 and then : knetworkmanager
[08:45] <shadeslayer> sfears: hes online now through gnome :P
[08:46] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: oh and btw theres a network manager plasmoid too
[08:46] <tristan3199> plasmoid?
[08:46] <tristan3199> sound like alien gooo
[08:46] <shadeslayer> so if you want you can install plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[08:47] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: hehe.. those are the gadgets you see on your KDE desktop
[08:47] <shadeslayer> theyre called kde plasmoids
[08:47] <tristan3199> so to install one......
[08:47] <tristan3199> i would use terminal?
[08:47] <tristan3199> apt-get
[08:47] <tristan3199> ??????????
[08:47] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: no need,just install via synaptic
[08:47] <shadeslayer> youll get a plasmoid like this : http://origin.arstechnica.com/journals/linux.media/screenshot2-1.png
[08:48] <tristan3199> thats all??
[08:49] <tristan3199> will it install with no connection
[08:49] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: no
[08:49] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: install it from gnome
[08:50] <zus> wouldnt  he also have it in the cashew  he's have to drag it out and drop it in the systray then?
[08:50] <shadeslayer> zus: yeah let him install it first :P
[08:50] <tristan3199> whats cashew?
[08:51] <tristan3199> its installing now
[08:51] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: then all you have to do is add the plasmoid,right click on the systray and go to the settings > plasmoids > networkmanagement plasmoid
[08:51] <shadeslayer> there youll see a tick box,just tick it and you should see the plasmoid
[08:51] <tristan3199> systray in the bottom right like windows
[08:52] <tristan3199> 7
[08:53] <tristan3199> its installed... should i load kde and try it...????
[08:53] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: yes
[08:53] <shadeslayer> tristan3199: precisely the same
[08:53] <zus> hmm
[08:53] <zus> did anyone see the names just come on the screen? or is it just me?
[08:53] <tristan3199> ohhhh.... crap.... are you familure with gnome too
[08:54] <Dux> the key (fn f5) on netbook acer aspire one doesn't work in kubuntu netbook remix :(
[08:54] <tristan3199> my name with a chat dialog was in the top right... then it glitched and i closed it... can i get my option to sign out back????
[08:55] <tristan3199> how will i log off?
[08:55] <tristan3199> should i go to ubuntu?
[08:59] <shadeslayer> zus: what names?
[09:00] <zus> i hit a letter and hit tab but every b name  popped up
[09:00] <zus> shadeslayer, ^
[09:02] <shadeslayer> zus: which client?
[09:02] <zus> shadeslayer,  oh x chat ..sorry
[09:02] <shadeslayer> zus: well... thats called tab completion
[09:02] <zus> shadeslayer,  easy to forget its not a defaul
[09:03] <shadeslayer> !tab | zus
[09:03] <zsolt> hi
[09:07] <zus> shadeslayer,  thanks )
[09:11] <tristan3199> thank you to who helped me install networkmanager widget
[09:17] <bronlar> well i decided to try and get kgrub to work b4 i reboot and test my newly installed network card driver
[09:19] <zus> bronlar,   w/b
[09:22] <bronlar> ty
[10:10] <lpollio> CIAO
[10:56] <ita> i have problem with wireless with wep security key
[10:57] <flaviof> Are you using knetworkmanager or nm-applet?
[10:57] <ita> I cant establish the connection
[10:57] <ita> flaviof: knetworkmanager
[10:58] <flaviof> Try nm-applet, see if it works.
[10:58] <ita> flaviof: how?
[10:58] <flaviof> If you are using o 'pure' kubuntu you won't have nm-applet.
[10:59] <flaviof> If you are using the 'pure' kubuntu you won't have nm-applet.
[10:59] <flaviof> Hold on
[11:00] <flaviof> install plasma-widget-networkmanagement and try it, it is a plasma widget.
[11:03] <ita> flaviof: this shown to me when I want install it : The following packages block the update: network-manager-kde
[11:03] <flaviof> Are you using lucid?
[11:03] <ita> yes
[11:04] <flaviof> Ok, the unistall network-manager-kde first.
[11:05] <ita> flaviof: how can I download the packages after that?
[11:06] <flaviof> Sorry, I assumed you were on cable until had the wireless fixed.
[11:07] <ita> flaviof: ok I am
[11:08] <flaviof> Even if you uninstall  network-manager-kde your conection will not end.
[11:08] <flaviof> Do not reboot, and it will be fine.
[11:14] <ita> flaviof: I installed plasma-widget-networkmanagement and I added to my desktop. what next?
[11:14] <flaviof> try using it, see if the wireless conects
[11:14] <sheldon> any news on kde 4.5 packages?
[11:15] <shadeslayer> sheldon: maverick packages have ftbfs issues,so unless theyre sorted out no lucid packages
[11:15] <shadeslayer> sheldon: though packaging 4.5 is almost complete now
[11:15] <sheldon> thanks shadeslayer
[11:15] <shadeslayer> should be released later today...
[11:16] <sheldon> great
[11:16] <shadeslayer> sheldon: the moment we get 4.4.80 packages here : https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/  : there should be no ftbfs issues
[11:17] <ita> flaviof: no thing happen
[11:19] <flaviof> what is your wireless chipset?
[11:19] <ita> intel
[11:19] <flaviof> Too generic, do a [lspci] command in a terminal.
[11:20] <shadeslayer> sheldon: make that https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs
[11:20] <ita> flaviof: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[11:21] <sheldon> ok
[11:21] <naftilos76> hi i have a problem with Java not working under Firefox 3.5.9. My Kubuntu is 64bit 9.10 & KDE updated to 4.4.2. I have installed sun java update 20 from the repos but i can't see it working if i go to www.java.com. Any suggestions?
[11:23] <ouh> hello, i need help, i cant connect to the internet nor to my router, i get a message dbus-launch no protocol specified, what can i do?
[11:23] <flaviof> sheldon: It's a problem with the wireles chipset, check this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/575492
[11:24] <sheldon> flaviof, i don't have problem with wireless chipset ;) i m just hasking to shadeslayer when kde 4.5beta1 packages will be available on Lucid
[11:24] <flaviof> My bad, it's ita
[11:24] <flaviof> ita: It's a problem with the wireles chipset, check this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/575492
[11:25] <ita> flaviof: I have no problem with ubuntu just the problem in kubutnu
[11:27] <ouh> someone able to help me?
[11:27] <flaviof> ita: Your install includes ubuntu too? If so use the nm-applet and see if it works. Run it from a terminal.
[11:27] <naftilos76> OK guys - no worries - stupid me! i had not installed the plugin for Firefox!
[11:28] <ita> flaviof: no I install ubuntu in a different partition not in the same system
[11:30] <flaviof> ita: I had problems with knetworkmanager at first, I had installed the ubuntu-desktop on my kubuntu system, so I used nm-applet, later I used the plasma widget. But I stiill think the nm-applet is more robust.
[11:32] <Guest27607> sry lost connection, stil having the problem on my kubuntu system, cant connect to internet nor router, dbus-launch error np protocol specified, so what could i do?
[11:34] <flaviof> ita: Have to togo.
[11:35] <Lagan> Hello everybody, wich distro would you recommend me if I wanted to start programming?
[11:35] <Guest27607> id say any distribution^^ as long as u dont use windows =)
[11:37] <Guest27607> So ppl, plz help me: I cant connect to internet nor router on kubuntu anymore ... its a dbus-problem, i never made any manual settings. how can i reconnect
[11:49] <crashev> which package contains cnetworkmanager ? My network suddenly went off and now its Network manager is disabled crap
[11:51] <shadeslayer> !find cnetworkmanager
[11:51] <shadeslayer> crashev: ^^
[11:53] <crashev> nice,I usually enabled NetworkManager with cnetworkmanager cli tool in gentoo
[11:59] <ryrych> hello, I've got a problem with akonadi. First, I can't install mysql database. I'm following this howto: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting
[11:59] <ryrych> I have clean mysql server 5.1 installation
[11:59] <ryrych> added a password for root user
[12:00] <ryrych> after issue: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting I get the following error: Ignoring user change to 'root' because the user was set to 'mysql' earlier on the command line
[12:00] <ryrych> oh, after issuing: mysql_install_db --datadir=$HOME/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ -u root
[12:01] <ryrych> but I have not changed user to mysql!
[12:02] <ryrych> generally I can't log in to mysql server: it tells me I have no permissions even though I'm loggin in as root user :(
[12:19] <oxymoron> Now I want to know once and for all, why doesnt Kopete save my MSN passwords if I say it should by click that checkbutton? Everytime I need to retype my Kwallet pass + password for every single account login .... And then status message never is saved until next login, why? :S
[12:20] <Mamarok> oxymoron: set your Kwallet settings to allow always, then it should only ask you once in a session
[12:21] <Mamarok> the first app that uses Kwallet will ask on session start, then you should have no more password prompts
[12:21] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Yeah I have allow always.
[12:22] <Mamarok> you can set that in the system Settings -> Advanced tab -> KDE wallet
[12:22] <Mamarok> check that you have this for all apps
[12:23] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Yeah I have
[12:23] <michael___> how do you use kontact address books to send emails? i don't get it. do you have to copy and paste the address each time?
[12:23] <michael___> oh i see, you can just click on the email and it opens up a new address...but how can i set one book as default? i have multiple books, one is an akonadi resource for google contacts
[12:23] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I have "allow always" on all my Kwallet apps.
[12:24] <michael___> it opens up a new email i mean
[12:24] <Mamarok> hm, then it might well be a Kopete problem, which KDE do you use?
[12:24] <oxymoron> Mamarok: The only problematic one is Kopete.
[12:25] <Mamarok> michael___: add all your adressbooks to the resources list of Akonadi, then it should not be a problem
[12:25] <Mamarok> start typing a name and it should autocomplete from the books
[12:26] <Mamarok> oxymoron: which KDE version do you use?
[12:26] <michael___> i don't want to copy over the entire address book to the personal one because then it won't sync with google
[12:26] <Mamarok> michael___: you don't need to, you can add more than one ressource
[12:26] <michael___> autocomplete isn't working because it isn't taking contacts from the akonadi resource
[12:26] <oxymoron> Mamarok: 4.4.3 I think, latest stable one
[12:27] <Mamarok> oxymoron: yes, that from the backports PPA
[12:27] <Mamarok> michael___: it should work
[12:27] <Mamarok> just make sure you have selected all the ressources
[12:27] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Oh I have 4.4.2 I saw now.
[12:28] <Mamarok> oxymoron: try upgrading, the 4.4.3 is in the backports PPA, see alsso http://kubuntu.org
[12:28] <Mamarok> -s
[12:28] <michael___> I'm not sure I get it. I have two address books, one is the default Personal Contacts (which is empty) and another is the akonadi_googledata_resource_0 that's suppose to sync with my google contacts. When I create a new mail message and start entering addresses or names in the TO field, none of my contacts from the akonadi resource come up.
[12:29] <Mamarok> michael___: are those selected in the Kadressbook part of Kontact?
[12:29] <michael___> Mamarok: Yes
[12:29] <Mamarok> hm, let me try...
[12:30] <oxymoron> Mamarok: "Users of 10.04 LTS can install it from the Kubuntu Updates PPA." ... hmm not me appararently and I use 10.04
[12:30] <Mamarok> oxymoron: because you don't have that source in your sources.list
[12:30] <Mamarok> follwo the instructions
[12:31] <michael___> What is also weird is that my Personal Contacts address book is empty, yet when I click SELECT beside a TO field for a new email, it shows addresses in there (that are not from any other address book I can see).
[12:31] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Yeah I have added it already and upgrading while weyre speaking.
[12:31] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I just thought it should work out of the box without have to add kubuntu-ppa source
[12:31] <Mamarok> no, it doesn't, not the policy of *Ubuntu
[12:32] <Mamarok> if you only have the default sources, you only get security updates
[12:32] <oxymoron> Mamarok: But why isnt 4.4.3 replace 4.4.2 one in regular updates?
[12:32] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Alright :P
[12:32] <oxymoron> Well and then I wonder why I cant find Kdevelop in main packages, I have to enable unsupported ones?
[12:32] <Mamarok> oxymoron: it might well end in the regular backports repo, but not until 4.4.4 is out
[12:32] <michael___> How does one change the Default Addressbook in Kontact?
[12:33] <Mamarok> oxymoron: you should enable universe, yes, else your KDE is far from complete
[12:33] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Alright, oh and do you know if it will be possible to use 4.5 Beta 1 soon?
[12:33] <Mamarok> michael___: go to the adressbook, and select the one you want to use
[12:33] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Universe is always added.
[12:34] <Mamarok> oxymoron: they are working on the packages, but beta is not recommended for average users, it will be in the beta PPA
[12:34] <oxymoron> Mamarok: And it seems Kopete works as it hsould now with passwords :)
[12:34] <mir_> Hey.
[12:34] <mir_> I have a little problem with amarok.
[12:34] <mir_> My sound is very low.
[12:34] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Yes I know. But do you think its worth a shot? Beta for KDe 4.5 seems quite early this time, 4.4 came later last year.
[12:34] <mir_> But everything is at 100%.
[12:34] <michael___> Mamarok: That doesn't work.
[12:35] <oxymoron> mir_: Its not a Amarok problem, start Kmix and start mixing.
[12:35] <mir_> K, will try. Thanks oxymoron.
[12:35] <oxymoron> mir_: If youre on a laptop you need to fix some thins MAYBE though, I heard problems with low volume even if max everywhere on computer.
[12:36] <oxymoron> mir_: Then you can try Party mode in Equalizer in Amarok, that make volume sounds a lot higher (I have tested all of them)
[12:36] <Mamarok> oxymoron: that is normal, there always is a stable update around beta time, but I would not install any beta software if I am not comfortable with errors
[12:37] <Mamarok> a beta is for testers only and they are asked to report bugs
[12:37] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Depends, some crashes isnt any problem if most apps are quite stable most of time, but too many crashes to often is not wort hit.
[12:37] <mir_> Im not at a laptop, but I think I already have kmix loaded.
[12:37] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Usually Beta is always stable on Linux distros and apps.
[12:37] <mir_> Isnt that the standard sound program?
[12:37] <Mamarok> oxymoron: well, if you are really willing to test without complaining, being aware that some things might be a bit shaky, then itŝ up to you to decide
[12:38] <oxymoron> mir_: Do you see a audio speaker in the systray (Right bottom corner)?
[12:38] <Mamarok> just be aware that it is not supported, and onyl for testers
[12:39] <mir_> oxymoron: Yeah, the box is aimed at the right and when I click on it I get a window with master on it.
[12:39] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Well I can always ask in dev ... But I dont think its worth it, 4.5 Beta hasnt any revoloutionary changes anyway, they wil come later on I think.  Soon I think KDE should ditch Akonadi once and for all and do something else.
[12:39] <mir_> And it also says master.
[12:39] <mir_> Oops, mixer I mean.
[12:40] <oxymoron> mir_: Yeah, try drag that thing where it says master, OR press button that says mixer
[12:40] <mir_> DId both, all at 100%.
[12:40] <michael___> Odd that configuring one's default addressbook can be such a pain.
[12:40] <mir_> Did*
[12:41] <oxymoron> mir_: Hmm, could be errors on audio card, any drivers. But I think there is a alsa mixer, wait a sec.
[12:41] <mir_> K, will do.
[12:42] <oxymoron> mir_: alt+f2 => Type "konsole" and press enter => Type "alsamixer" in Konsole and press enter (Now you should see something like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alsamixer.png)
[12:42] <mir_> Can I start it without konsole?
[12:43] <oxymoron> mir_: Uhm not sure about that, I dont think so. Maybe they have a GUI somewhere
[12:43] <mir_> Nvm.
[12:43] <mir_> O, ok.
[12:44] <oxymoron> mir_: Or uhm Kmix is a GUI of alsamixer I think, but not as complex as alsamixer is.
[12:44] <oxymoron> mir_: Before I got problem with sound as you, I had max on everything, then I solved with alsamixer.
[12:45] <oxymoron> mir_: Which Kubuntu version are you using btw?
[12:45] <mir_> My pc is slow without windows :S
[12:45] <mir_> Where can I find that info?
[12:46] <Mamarok> oxymoron: Akonadi is not developed at the same pace as KDE base is, and they warned about that long before, Kontact has another rythm
[12:47] <Mamarok> mir_: Vista is much slower than KDE here
[12:48] <caliga> i have a problem with skype. recorded sound is totally distorted. works fine in audacity. i suspect timing issues
[12:48] <mir_> yeah, I used windows xp.
[12:49] <mir_> Any way to speed up kde/ kubuntu?
[12:50] <caliga> can i tweak the buffersize for recording or something like that?
[12:52] <mir_> alsamixer is all maxed out I think
[12:53] <caliga> what api does skype use to access the soundcard / microphone?
[13:01] <mir_> Sorry, kubuntu hanged.
[13:01] <mir_> Or I am too stupid to know how to kill processes that hang.
[13:06] <sobczyk> there might be leak in something connected with xorg (fglrx?) my Xorg takes up 460MB of RAM and I suppose it's not normal
[13:07] <mir_> I still dont know how to get the sound working :(
[13:07] <lex> hi
[13:08] <sobczyk> mir_: try development alsa drivers
[13:08] <lex> does anyone speak rus?
[13:08] <sobczyk> worked for me
[13:08] <mir_> Well, my sound work. I mean its not loud enough.
[13:08] <mir_> And where can I find those?
[13:10] <sobczyk> mir_: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[13:11] <sobczyk> "add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa" in terminal
[13:11] <sobczyk> then install the wanted linux-alsa-driver
[13:12] <sobczyk> 2.6.32 for lucid
[13:14] <mir_> I did sudo add-apt-repository *replacethis*
[13:14] <mir_> And then I did sudo apt-get update
[13:15] <mir_> Is that ok, or did I just broke something?
[13:15] <mir_> sobczyk?
[13:19] <mir_> Btw, My update manager asks me to upgrade to Ubuntu 10.04 'Lucid Lynx' but I run kubuntu :S... Is that ok?
[13:23] <sobczyk> mir_: for me I just rebooted and sound was there
[13:23] <mir_> Ok, will try.
[13:24] <mir_> Brb, and thanks.
[13:24] <sobczyk> I had a rare Realtek codec (dell laptop)
[13:24] <mir_> k.
[13:26] <mir_> Wut..
[13:26] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:28] <mir_> Hi.
[13:28] <mir_> Doesnt work :(
[13:29] <mir_> Now my sound is gone.
[13:29] <ShorTie> g00d mornin guys
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hi ShorTie
[13:30] <BluesKaj> mir_, check alsamixer ctrls , sometimes the pcm is turned down or muted after an update
[13:31] <BluesKaj> brb..
[13:32] <mir_> HDA VIA VT82xx (ALC880 Analog) seems to be working.
[13:32] <mir_> But ¨pulseaudio¨ is ¨broken¨.
[13:33] <mir_> Trying in the back of the pc, brb.
[13:35] <mir_> O, he is now installing something.
[13:37] <mir_> Thanks, man.
[13:37] <mir_> It works perfectly, even better than in windows :D
[13:38] <mir_> Bye.
[13:50] <muesli> how can i make phonon use a plug-alsa device?
[13:50] <muesli> it only seems to list hardware devices
[13:54] <BluesKaj> muesli, pls explain plug-alsa device , what is it ?
[14:04] <kleopatra_> Hallo, anscheinend hat der knetworkmanager bei mir den geist aufgegeben, auf jeden fall hab ich kein internet mehr wenn ich starte, ich musste die /etc/network/interfaces bearbeiten und ifup manuell ausführen dmit überhaupt wieder was geht, worna kann das liegen?
[14:05] <llutz> !de
[14:07] <kleopatra_> well it seems knetworkmanager will not work properly anymore i had to edit the /etc/network/interfaces and run ifup manually, whats up with the networkmanager?
[14:08] <muesli> BluesKaj: if i create my own virtual alsa device (a dmix plug e.g.)
[14:08] <muesli> BluesKaj: the big issue is, with spdif / digital sound output there's no hardware audio mixing
[14:08] <muesli> so i need to rely on dmix
[14:08] <muesli> which is great and works fine... except phonon doesn't allow me to pick the device for output
[14:08] <muesli> and accesses the hardware device directly (which kills the dmix plug)
[14:09] <muesli> so as of now: with kubuntu / kde and optical audio output, i can only use _one_ audio app at a time
[14:11] <muesli> kleopatra_: knetworkmanager never worked for me
[14:23] <kleopatra_> can i write somewhere that ifup will be executed automatically at the beginning? i dont see why i should do it manually
[14:26] <amichair> how do I edit an RTL text file in kate?
[14:38] <zus> is ksmooth dock still supported?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> muesli, yes that's a common problem with some soundcards in both kubuntu and windows , trying to tun digital out and analog out simultaneously is usually a function of the soundcard and not the software. However in this case it may be a bug that I've seen before, but I'm not sure what the fix is..you could check on launchpad
[14:41] <muesli> BluesKaj: no no, i'm not talking digital & analog concurrently
[14:41] <muesli> i'm talking about two alsa apps accessing one digital output
[14:42] <BluesKaj> muesli, pulseaudio might work for you
[14:42] <muesli> i can setup my dmix plug just fine. i can run several xines, flash, whatever.
[14:43] <muesli> but as soon as phonon opens the hardware device directly, dmix gets killed
[14:43] <muesli> BluesKaj: possibly, then again i'm fed up with pulseaudio for different reasons
[14:44] <BluesKaj> normally I don't do any mixing , so it's hard to answer
[14:44] <BluesKaj> muesli, what about jack -audio
[14:45] <muesli> BluesKaj: well, that's all workarounds for some basic feature (accessing alsa plugs) that phonon is currently lacking
[14:45] <muesli> i'd rather fix phonon
[14:45] <muesli> oh, now that's funny:
[14:45] <muesli> if i open kde's system settings / multimedia
[14:46] <muesli> and edit my asoundrc in a text editor, suddenly the plugs show up in the system settings.... and they even work with phonon
[14:46] <zus> anyone know exactly how i can get this tuner card to work?  i believe its the bttv848 or thats the driver i need this site says its standard in the kernal,... how ever when i attach my cable/coax to it and  the tv i get nothing
[14:46] <muesli> so it's just a silly bug in system settings, quite likely at least
[14:47] <BluesKaj> muesli, that 's interesting , care to pastebin your asoundrc file ...I'd like to take a look
[14:48] <muesli> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/DB4fyZkY
[14:49] <muesli> BluesKaj: that works fine with all apps that access alsa's default device
[14:49] <muesli> just not when they query hardware devices and access them directly
[14:50] <BluesKaj> muesli,  right
[14:53] <BluesKaj> zus, expalin "i get nothing"..?
[14:54] <zus> BluesKaj,  i dont see my screen on my tv nor do i see my tv on my monitor...
[14:55] <BluesKaj> zus, have you tried installing configuring tvtime as I suggestsed a while ago /
[15:02] <zus> BluesKaj,  sorry had to run afk a sec... yea but stll wasnt working  i gave up
[15:03] <zus> BluesKaj,  figured i'd try again though
[15:03] <muesli> zus: are you trying to _watch_ tv or are you trying to use your tv as a computer monitor?
[15:04] <zus> muesli, i'd like either but i only have a tv out and a fm  connector on the card
[15:05] <zus> muse and the s cable plug and a couple audio hook ups
[15:05] <muesli> zus: so, for watching tv, that should work with a btxxx chip
[15:05] <muesli> tv-out is a totally different matter and doesn't have anything to do with your tv card
[15:06] <zus> muesli,  my video card might can do it but that wont work in this machine
[15:06] <patriko> hi. im newbie. i just installed kubuntu but it is too slow. i quess the problem is vga. can you help me pls
[15:07] <muesli> zus: yeah, that'd work via your video card
[15:07] <muesli> zus: so can you see the card in kaffeine?
[15:07] <muesli> zus: can you scan channels?
[15:08] <zus> muesli,  i didnt install it
[15:09] <zus> muesli,  everytime i got a facebook im  kaffeine opened up
[15:09] <muesli> zus: what?
[15:10] <muesli> zus: anyway, install it to see if your card works, it's probably the most user-friendly tv app on kde
[15:10] <woodnymph> hello this is woodnymph im not sure what this is. i would appreciate if someone could explain where i am and what this is  :-)
[15:10] <zus> when  i downloaded kaffeine, when ever  some one instant messaged me  on facebook - kaffeiene  opened up. that got annoying real fast...
[15:10] <muesli> woodnymph: why would you come here if you don't know what it is?
[15:11] <muesli> woodnymph: anyways, it's the secret cia / fbi exchange channel
[15:11] <woodnymph> i was just pokin around seeing what all i had on my linux and clicked on this
[15:11] <muesli> zus: i've never heard of that, but you should probably file a bug report then
[15:11] <patriko> can anyone help me pls
[15:11] <muesli> woodnymph: so, this is a support chat ;-)
[15:12] <woodnymph> i have only had this OS for a few months and still getting to know it
[15:12] <woodnymph> oh cool wish i had known about this at the beginning  lol
[15:12] <BluesKaj> patriko, lspci | grep VGA in the konsole
[15:13] <patriko> ATI Technologies Inc RS400 [Radeon Xpress 200M]
[15:14] <patriko> BluesKaj: does it mean my card is working fine ?
[15:14] <soee> does Kubuntu dev team plan s to put KDE 4.5b1 into beta repositories ?
[15:16] <zus> muesli,  i got kaffeine ill try again some time today,..ill even give tvtime another go as well,..if i no luck then ill try again when i buy a new pc....at this point it would be nice to have, but  not needed.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> patriko, opeb kmenu/system settings/display and see if yoiu can change your eresolution there
[15:20]  * BluesKaj needs anew KB
[15:21] <patriko> BluesKaj: yes i can
[15:22] <BluesKaj> ok look for the res you used in windows , patriko , then click apply
[15:22] <roxy81> what is there for software under kubuntu for a media center?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> !media
[15:23] <shadeslayer> roxy81: well.. theres a alpha plasmoid,called plasma-media-center
[15:23] <BluesKaj> !MCE
[15:24] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: eh?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> well he asked for media center apps
[15:25] <workspace> how are you all doing today ?
[15:25] <workspace> :D
[15:27] <patriko> BluesKaj: but i wanna say this i can change the resolition under LVDS tab, the VGA-0 tab is passive
[15:29] <woodnymph> is there any IM app that will allow me to use my built in web cam on my laptop?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> patriko, sorry , I don't have either of those designations in my system display
[15:30] <patriko> BluesKaj: ok thank you
[15:30] <patriko> i quess im gonna remove kubuntu. ati sucks
[15:31] <BluesKaj> patriko, but I have the same video card on my other desktop and it worked fine with 1680x1050
[15:32] <patriko> ati x200 is an old card and i know i have to use it with open source driver. But i dont know how to install ati open source driver to kubuntu
[15:34] <BluesKaj> patriko, you should be able to use the kernel source driver , look in the kmenu / settings for hardware, there may be a driver that needs installing
[15:35] <patriko> BluesKaj: i already looked but it says no propreitry driver to install
[15:35] <patriko> :)
[15:35] <BluesKaj> it's not proprietary
[15:35] <BluesKaj> I mean the driver you need
[15:36] <patriko> how can i do şt
[15:36] <patriko> it*
[15:36] <ArGGu^^> the open source driver should be installed by default
[15:37] <patriko> how can i understand if my driver install. i dont know kubuntu..  isnt there stk like glxinfo
[15:40] <ArGGu^^> patriko cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[15:41] <ArGGu^^> what that returns?
[15:41] <wangjianli> what?
[15:43] <Tecumseh> I have a little problem with kickoff after installing kdegames, there are no menuitems added to kickoff. I tried a reboot and after that a complete removal of kdegames and install it again. Still nothing added to kickoff.
[15:44] <Tecumseh> The system I'm using has been installed recently with kubuntu-lucid-amd64
[15:50] <BluesKaj> ArGGu^^, he may not have an xorg.conf file , they aren't generated by default anymore
[15:51] <ArGGu^^> ok
[16:05] <gigi81> cè qualcuno italiano?
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> !it | gigi81
[16:07] <gigi81>  /join #ubuntu-it
[16:36] <ryy> Hello,  I just installed kubuntu 10.04 on my Acer Aspire 5532. Unfortunately,  The wireless tab in "nework connection" is disabled.  Do I have to do something to turn on wireless?  Please advise.
[16:37] <BluesKaj>  /etc/fstab/ won't open in kate for editing ...cli error >  QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/kaj/.config/ibus/bus ...any suggestions ?
[16:37] <DarthFrog> ryy: Is "Enable wireless" checked off?  Do you have a function key that toggles wireless?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> ryy, type network-manager in the run command alt +f2
[16:38] <ryy> DarthFrog: wher is "Enable wireless" ?
[16:39] <DarthFrog> ryy: It is below "Connect to other networks" in the knetworkmanager systray utility.
[16:41] <prower> hello everyone :> occasionally i'm getting this message from konsole when i try to start it up: 'cannot start /bin/bash with arguments /bin/bash' (it's something to that effect, i don't have the netbook in front of me at the moment :>) has anyone else had a similar problem?
[16:42] <ryy> I am right clicking on my wired connection in the sys tray, clicking on manage connections.  But I don't see this option.  Am I looking in the wrong place?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> prower: your passing wrong arguments to the startup script of bash
[16:43] <BluesKaj> ryy, read my post above
[16:43] <shadeslayer> prower: right click on konsole and click edit profile
[16:43] <shadeslayer> prower: the command should say : /bin/bash
[16:44] <senfman> After updating to the new Kubuntu version KMail throws the Error Message "Unable to complete LIST Operation". Do you guys kknow why.
[16:44] <gelbjgd> hello everyone
[16:44] <prower> shadeslayer: i'm fairly certain that it did read /bin/bash, i didn't change it from the default
[16:45] <ekeluo> Anyone know status of kde SC 4.5 beta 1 for kubuntu?
[16:45] <gelbjgd> i have a problem with kubuntu 1004
[16:45] <shadeslayer_> ekeluo: yes
[16:45] <DarthFrog> ryy: I'm DCC Sending you a screenshot of what my knetworkmanager utility looks like.
[16:45] <gelbjgd> i can not change the screen backlight with fn key
[16:45] <shadeslayer_> ekeluo: there are some issues,and were not entirely sure we want to put it in the beta ppa,but that is yet to be decided
[16:45] <gelbjgd> but only under kde 4.4.2 and 4.4.3
[16:46] <shadeslayer_> prower: how about removing your konsole rc?
[16:46] <shadeslayer_> prower: it should be in ~/.kde/share/config/konsolerc
[16:47] <ekeluo> shadeslayer: I see...
[16:47] <ryy> BluesKaj: typing in "nework-manager" did not do anything.  Perhaps you mean knetworkmanager?
[16:47] <DarthFrog> ryy:  http://imagebin.org/99051
[16:47] <prower> shadeslayer_, i didn't try that specifically, but i did at one point log out and blow away my entire .kde directory to let it all be recreated, just in case it was a bug fixed in an upgrade :> still happened though, but only occasionally...very hard to pin down what the issue is
[16:47] <shadeslayer_> ekeluo: upstream split packages causing ABI issues
[16:47] <BluesKaj> ryy, try network manager
[16:47] <shadeslayer_> prower: :P
[16:47] <shadeslayer_> prower: no idea after that then :P
[16:47] <ekeluo> Anyone else having a scrolling problem in dolphin? 4.4.2 on karmic here, not enough bandwidth to upgrade to lucid yet.
[16:48] <ekeluo> Also waiting for SC 4.5
[16:48] <prower> shadeslayer_, that's pretty much the point i was left at too :/ between that and having to turn compositing on and off for certain opengl applications and i just wound up going back to gnome on my desktop instead, at least for a while
[16:48] <shadeslayer_> prower: hehe :P
[16:49] <ryy> DarthFrog:  I only have two options: Auto eth0 and Manage Connections
[16:49] <gelbjgd> i am using kubunt 1004, but i can not change screen backlight with fn key. but under other de is ok. could someone help me ?
[16:49] <jussi> How does one tell how much memory is on the graphics card?
[16:50] <DarthFrog> ryy: I wonder if the system is detecting/supporting your wireless NIC.
[16:51] <ryy> DarthFrog: how can I verify?
[16:51] <DarthFrog> ryy: Look at the loaded kernel modules and see if the right driver is loaded.  "lsmod" will list the loaded modules.
[16:53] <ekeluo> Anyone Tried crystal desktop search widget? Saw it recently, wondering wats up wit it
[16:53] <ryy> BluesKaj: I typed in "network manager" and the input box disappeared. However, KNetworkManager shows up in the drop down as I am typing.  Do you want me to select that?
[16:54] <liqiangnet> ...........
[16:56] <ryy> DarthFrog: I don't see anything that says wireless.  I am not sure of the chipset name.  I will boot into my window partition and get the chipset information.  brb
[16:57] <antanas> Hy
[16:57] <antanas> Labas lop[ai
[16:58] <antanas> ko nešnekat??
[17:00] <slow-motion> hi
[17:09] <marcos> Olá
[17:09] <marcos> gostaria de saber como usar o amsn no kubuntu  ?
[17:10] <DarthFrog> !es | marcos
[17:12] <prower> hello again ;> just another quick question...there's a bug involving qt-creator that currently makes it take up to a minute or more to start and constantly use 100% cpu while the window is being drawn...it's known upstream but who knows how long that's going to be before kubuntu ever sees it :> can anyone suggest another good c/c++ ide for developing qt applications?
[17:12] <DarthFrog> prower: kdevelop?
[17:13] <prower> DarthFrog: Ah, yes that's true :> I wasn't sure if that was still being developed or not, or if it supported qt4
[17:13] <DarthFrog> !kdevelop
[17:13] <DarthFrog> Hmm, nothing from the bot.
[17:14] <prower> although just checking synaptic it doesn't appear that kdevelop is even in the repositories :/
[17:14] <DarthFrog> I find kdevelop and a bunch of accessory packages via "apt-cache search kdevelop".
[17:15] <prower> DarthFrog, Hmm, not here, but I'm using 64-bit, 10.04, what version are you using?
[17:15] <DarthFrog> But I have the PPA archive enabled.  It might be from there.
[17:15] <DarthFrog> prower: Same.
[17:16] <DarthFrog> !ppa
[17:16] <prower> DarthFrog: Hmm, I see...maybe the ppa is what I should be trying as well, with the default kubuntu distribution of kde i've had a number of strange little issues
[17:17] <ryy> Hello,   I have Broadcom 802.11n nework adapter.  But I see no sign of broadcom or wireless after doing lsmod
[17:17] <DarthFrog> prower: Here's what I found: KDevelop 4 is now available in lucid-backports for users of the newly ...
[17:17] <ryy> DartFrong:  What should I be looking for in lsmod output?
[17:17] <DarthFrog> !backports
[17:18] <DarthFrog> ryy: What chipset?
[17:19] <ryy> DarthFrog:  Windows device manager said Broadcom 802.11n network adapter.  Does that sound correct to you?
[17:19] <DarthFrog> ryy: Yes.
[17:19] <DarthFrog> !broadcom
[17:20] <ryy> DarthFrog: I don't see any mention of Broadcom in the lsmod output.
[17:20] <DarthFrog> ryy: It's not called Broadcom.  It's called bcm43xx or something like that.  Check the URL that I had the bot show.
[17:21] <ryy> DarthFrog: reading it right now.
[17:21] <DarthFrog> prower: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop
[17:23] <prower> DarthFrog, Thanks for the information, I'll have to check that out and see how kdevelop compares :> qt creator is my favourite ide by far for qt4 but until the problems are sorted out it's pretty much unusable :/ i think lts should stand for long term stress sometimes, ha
[17:23] <ryy> DarthFrog: typing in "lspci -vvnn | grep 14e4" resulted in "02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4357] (rev 01)"  Does this mean that kubuntu found the device?
[17:24] <DarthFrog> prower: There's also qdevelop, devoted to Qt.
[17:24] <DarthFrog> ryy: It means the system knows that it is attached. :-)  This is a good thing.
[17:25] <prower> DarthFrog, Hmm...the screenshot of that looks pretty nice actually, and I've never heard of it before :> Is there a way you can install packages from backports without enabling backports for -every- package?
[17:26] <DarthFrog> prower: I have no idea.  You could just enable backports, install what you want, then disable it.
[17:26] <tsimpson> prower: enable backports, install the package, disable backports ;)
[17:26] <DarthFrog> In stereo, even. :-)
[17:28] <prower> tsimpson: Well that might work :> But if there are packages that need to be upgraded as part of the dependencies then they're going to be pulled from backports as well, i assume at least
[17:29] <tsimpson> prower: that's both unavoidable and totally necessary. if a package requires something from backports it should be installed too
[17:29] <tsimpson> *installed or upgraded
[17:30] <prower> tsimpson: hmm...that's true, unfortunately it means that i might have to go to a more unstable desktop setup just to get a (hopefully) more stable ide :/ i'll have to take a look around at the options i suppose
[17:30] <ryy> DarthFrog:  Do you know where I can fid "harware drivers" under system settings?
[17:31] <tsimpson> prower: only with the components that KDevelop needs
[17:33] <DarthFrog> ryy: Doesn't exist.
[17:33] <DarthFrog> ryy: You're misreading the web page. :-)
[17:34] <DarthFrog> ryy: That page doesn't say System Settings.
[17:36] <DarthFrog> ryy: You could also get to the same spot by Alt-F2, "jockey"
[17:39] <prower> DarthFrog, On the plus side there's a work around for qt creator :> On the downside it involes deleting qt-doc
[17:40] <DarthFrog> prower: Into every life, a little rain must fall. :-)  <grinning, ducking and running>
[17:40] <DarthFrog> Couldn't you apt-pin qt-doc?
[17:41] <prower> DarthFrog: Apparently the bug itself relates to qt-creator attempting to rebuild the help indexes every time it starts, it's known upstream...so if qt-doc is there at all, 1-2 minutes startup time :>
[17:42] <prower> I'm hoping the window redraw problem isn't there when I try it but I've had a lot of problems with 4.4.2
[17:44] <prower> unfortunately the last upstream report on that bug was in march :< doesn't look like it's being given very high priority
[17:46] <bbeck> Will there be a release of KDE 4.5 Beta 1?
[17:49] <DarthFrog> bbeck: You'd have to ask Riddell.
[17:50] <Riddell> bbeck: due to ABI changes upstream it's looking unlikely for lucid
[17:51] <DarthFrog> Riddell: Would the released version be back-ported to Lucid?
[17:52] <Riddell> DarthFrog: you mean 4.5 final?
[17:52] <DarthFrog> Yes.
[17:52] <Riddell> DarthFrog: depends if the ABI issues can be sorted
[17:53] <DarthFrog> Makes sense.
[17:53] <DarthFrog> Thanks.
[18:06] <tdnicho> tried installing kubuntu 10.04 alongside windows 7 but they don't seem to play nicely together...cannot boot either os after kubuntu tells me to reboot following file copying
[18:06] <tdnicho> had to resintall windows 7
[18:06] <BluesKaj-Laptop> td
[18:07] <tdnicho> works with ubuntu 10.04....just not with kubuntu 10.04    any ideas?
[18:07] <BluesKaj-Laptop> tdnicho, did you sudo upgrade-grub
[18:07] <DarthFrog> update-grub, not upgrade.
[18:07] <tdnicho> at what point should i do that, BluesKaj?
[18:08] <BluesKaj-Laptop> yeah update...sry
[18:08] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj-Laptop: Also, he's talking about during the install itself.
[18:08] <James147> tdnicho: after you install it
[18:08] <tdnicho> so i wiped the hardrive installing windows 7 first because it seems windows is pickier
[18:08] <tdnicho> then i installed kubuntu 10.04....i should update-grub then?
[18:09] <BluesKaj-Laptop> ok DarthFrog , I'l let yoiu handle this ...too many cooks already
[18:09] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj-Laptop: No, i'm not going to.  Busy elsewhere.
[18:10] <BluesKaj-Laptop> hmm, not too busy as to correct ppl tho :)
[18:10] <tdnicho> so BluesKaj, i should update-grub before rebooting after kubuntu copies all files?  this is without another linux partition on the hard drive (just what kubuntu created)
[18:10] <DarthFrog> That takes no time. :-)
[18:12] <tdnicho> appreciate any ideas anyone might have...
[18:13] <James147> tdnicho: sounds like a problem with grub, thus running update-grub after you install might help... If it dosnt you can reinstall windows mbr by running the windows repair cd if all else fails but you should be able to recover it from a live (ie you shouldnt need to reinstall everything again)
[18:13] <BluesKaj-Laptop> tdnicho,  if kubuntu installed and you didn't see the grub menu after restarting then there could be other problems such as kernel source drivers for your graphics card etc
[18:14] <BluesKaj-Laptop> tdnicho, that's if you installed kubuntu after insalling W7
[18:15] <James147> BluesKaj-Laptop: would problems in the kernal matter? that is handleed after grub is it not?
[18:16] <tdnicho> thanks, BluesKaj, I'll try it one more time...I should be ok letting Kubuntu handle the HD partitioning automatically, right?
[18:16] <James147> tdnicho: you can, but I tend to do it manually as I know how I want it set up more then kubuntu does :)
[18:17] <James147> tdnicho: if it does fail again I would first try to manually install grub2
[18:17] <tdnicho> think that might be beyond the scope of my knowledge (ok...know it is beyond...)
[18:17] <James147> !grub2 | tdnicho
[18:17] <tdnicho> manually install grub2 from within kubuntu...
[18:18] <BluesKaj-Laptop> tdnicho, you should see grub menu if you installed kubuntu last
[18:19] <James147> tdnicho: its not to hard, the above link have a nice howto with step by step guids on how to do it :) (direct link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD)
[18:19] <tdnicho> ok, thanks BluesKaj and James...off for another try
[18:20] <James147> ^^ will need to copy/paste that url rather then clicking on it :(
[18:20] <tdnicho> before I try again...should I remove ubuntu first or can i install kubuntu alongside windows 7 AND ubuntu?
[18:21] <James147> tdnicho: you can install them along side each other, although there isnt much point (wastes mroe space) when you can install ubuntu and kubuntu togeather on the same install (by installing the (k)ubuntu-desktop package)
[18:22] <James147> tdnicho: if you choise to remove it you can just format the partition with ubuntu on it and use that
[18:22] <tdnicho> good tip James...so I should just go to the software center?  is kubuntu desktop in there?
[18:23] <James147> tdnicho: it is (or via commandline: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop )
[18:24] <tdnicho> just found it James, thanks...you saved me another hour of installing software!
[18:24] <tdnicho> is it a snap to implement the KDE desktop environment once I've downloaded kubuntu-desktop?
[18:24] <tdnicho> i guess that's redudant...
[18:25] <tdnicho> redundant
[18:27] <BluesKaj-Laptop> tdnicho, just choose your desktop environment at login , either kubuntu or gnome.
[18:28] <tdnicho> thanks again BluesKaj
[18:29] <BluesKaj-Laptop> tdnicho, so what have you decided ?
[18:30] <tdnicho> i will just install kubuntu-desktop
[18:31] <BluesKaj-Laptop> ok, cool :)
[18:36] <tdnicho> BluesKaj-Laptop:  one more question...once Kubuntu-desktop is installed, will i need to reboot to invoke KDE or just log out and log back in?
[18:36] <James147> tdnicho: logout, you might need to restart x
[18:37] <tdnicho> rgr, thanks
[18:37] <James147> tdnicho: (you can do that from the login screen)
[18:37] <BluesKaj-Laptop> yeah just logout and choose your desktop in the menu
[18:38] <Riddell> DarthFrog: I have 4.5 beta packages for lucid if you want to test
[18:38] <Riddell> DarthFrog: they will break kdepim and various other applications
[18:44] <DarthFrog> Riddell: Thanks.  I don't use kdepim or kmail.
[18:45] <Riddell> DarthFrog: actually looks like we're still waiting on kdebase-workspace so I'll let you know when that's done
[18:45] <DarthFrog> K.
[18:52] <sheytan> Hi there
[18:53] <sheytan> i've got a nepomuk zombie process which i can't kill
[18:53] <sheytan> can someone help?
[18:58] <James147> sheytan: send it the KILL signal (kill -9 <process>  will do that)
[18:59] <sheytan> James147 it's not so easy :D there's few nepomukservices processes. And looks like that zombie belongs to each of them
[19:00] <James147> sheytan: killall -9 nepomukservices
[19:01] <BluesKaj-Laptop> sheytan, is nepomuk absolutely necessary for your setup ...I find it more of a pita than beneficial
[19:02] <flaviof> anybody knows where can I find a ktorrent 4.0 package?
[19:03] <sheytan> James147 nothing
[19:03] <sheytan> it doesn't kill the process
[19:03] <sheytan> even with -9
[19:03] <raindog_> sheytan: check it's parent process.
[19:04] <sheytan> raindog_ yes, it switches me to another nepomukservices procees. when i kill it, the zombie is still there. When i check it's parent again, it does the same thing
[19:05] <raindog_> sheytan: When possible I've killed the parent process before with sucess.
[19:05] <sheytan> raindog_ me not
[19:11] <milo__> i need help :(
[19:14] <James147> !help | milo__
[19:17] <milo__> i can't view youtub videos nor can i get access to the gnome volume control
[19:18] <James147> milo__: have you installed flashplugin-installer? and see #ubuntu for gnome related problems
[19:18] <BluesKaj-Laptop> milo__, in the konsole/terminal , sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[19:19] <BluesKaj-Laptop> milo__, also , sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:20] <milo__> ok let me try that. thanks
[19:21] <James147> BluesKaj-Laptop: Note: flashplugin-nonfree is a transitional package to flashplugin-installer
[19:22] <BluesKaj-Laptop> James147, duly noted , but ppl still need from what I've seen here
[19:23] <James147> BluesKaj-Laptop: installing it just installs the *-installer, may as well just install that... (also i think the restricted extras will install the *-installer as well)
[19:24] <BluesKaj-Laptop> James147, let's hope so , it's time the flash situation was sorted out
[19:25] <milo__> BluesKaj-Laptop- James147: should i restart my computer?
[19:26] <BluesKaj-Laptop> no need, milo__  ,
[19:26] <James147> milo__: just restart you browser
[19:27] <BluesKaj-Laptop> you may need to quit and restart your browser for flash heavy sites to work like youtube
[19:29] <nasrullah1> hi
[19:31] <milo__> BluesKaj-Laptop- James147: youtube and gnome are still not working ...
[19:32] <BluesKaj-Laptop> milo__, what desktop do you have installed ?
[19:33] <milo__> BluesKaj-laptop: it's a laptop
[19:34] <James147> milo__: are you running gnome or kde? (the desktop enviroment)
[19:35] <oxymoron> Uhm, what da heck have happened to Kate, it crashes when I try to open it? :S
[19:35] <James147> oxymoron: seems fine over here :S
[19:35] <bmw> Help: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libplasmagenericshell4_4%3a4.4.2-0ubuntu14_i386.deb (--unpack):
[19:35] <bmw>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libplasmagenericshell.so.4.4.0', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-bin 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1~karmic~ppa4
[19:36] <BluesKaj-Laptop> no which version of ubuntu , ubuntu uses gnome-desktop . kubuntu uses kde aka kubuntu-desktop, milo__
[19:36] <oxymoron> James147: I get http://pastebin.com/Q1wvEmSY
[19:37] <oxymoron> James147: Should menu post entry be "kate -b " ? :S
[19:37] <James147> oxymoron: :S that dosnt look good, what version are you running?
[19:37] <milo__> James147- BluesKaj: I am running gnome under ubuntu 9.04
[19:38] <oxymoron> James147: Uhm KDE 4.4.3 now, should be stable.
[19:38] <oxymoron> James147: if I run kate from terminal it works :S
[19:39] <James147> oxymoron: 4.4.2 here... if it works from terminal try t with the options in the menu see if thats whats causing it
[19:40] <oxymoron> James147: Works with "kate -b " from terminal :D lol
[19:40]  * oxymoron wonder why he always get this unique errors every time ...
[19:41] <oxymoron> James147: It seems like some kind of incompability MAYBE with Kdevelop and Kate because both uses Kpart
[19:41] <James147> oxymoron: what is the -b doing
[19:41] <oxymoron> James147: I dont know :S
[19:42] <oxymoron> James147: http://pastebin.com/STJJPJc1
[19:42] <oxymoron> "  -b, --block               If using an already running kate instance, block until it exits, if URLs given to open"
[19:44] <oxymoron> ah now I managed to get automatic paranthesis anyway in Kdevelop by change setting in kate :D
[19:46] <James147> oxymoron: probally changing the kpart options? didnt know they where global :S
[19:47] <oxymoron> James147: Yeah I dont know, some programmer have screwed up in there someway.
[19:48] <BluesKaj-Laptop> BBl
[19:49] <alex____> здесь русскоязычные естьГ
[19:49] <alex____> ?
[19:49] <James147> !ru | alex____
[19:54] <bmw> No help for my dist-upgrade woes? Does anyone have enough experience?
[19:55] <bmw> Help: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libplasmagenericshell4_4%3a4.4.2-0ubuntu14_i386.deb (--unpack):
[19:55] <bmw> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libplasmagenericshell.so.4.4.0', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-bin 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1~karmic~ppa4
[19:57] <milo__> BluesKaj-Laptop: are you still there?
[20:01] <Walzmyn> in Dolphin I use the "remember folder settings" option. How can I set the default options for an uninitialized folder?
[20:03] <James147> Walzmyn: Settings > Views Modes
[20:04] <Walzmyn> James147: yeah, I want to set what is default for a new folder - like if I stick in a SD card
[20:05] <James147> Walzmyn: Does it not take the settings from there?
[20:09] <toolbear> hi.  anybody know how to disable startup apps on the live cd?  or how you make the root password blank (null) on the live cd?
[20:10] <Mamarok> toolbear: there is no password on the Live CD AFAIK
[20:10] <Mamarok> also no apps are starting up normally
[20:11] <Mamarok> it shows you a default desktop with a folder view
[20:15] <toolbear> mamarok: but you can't change to root.  i.e. using "su" in the terminal won't work.  also, what i mean by "startup apps" is analogous to what is in ubuntu listed under the "startup applications" option in the "sytem"-->"preferences" menu.  these are processes that are started at boot but are in the background
[20:18] <Mamarok> toolbear: there is no rootpassword, just type sudo and the application, kdesudo for a GUI application
[20:18] <James147> toolbear: (k)ubuntu dosnt have a root password at all (you cant su to root) use sudo -i to get a root shell
[20:18] <Mamarok> toolbear: and how do you want to change those settings on a burnt CD?
[20:19] <James147> toolbear: root shells are strongly discouraged its best to use sudo <command> instead
[20:19] <Mamarok> you can make your own CD with your own settings if you want to
[20:20] <Mamarok> but the live CD runs only the essentials in the background anyway
[20:20] <toolbear> mamarok: i am just trying to customize the cd.  and using sudo, as i've found, simply isn't a complete substitute for root.
[20:21] <Mamarok> toolbear: it is a much more secure substitution, think again
[20:21] <Mamarok> you can't customize a burnt C, make your own
[20:21] <Mamarok> CD*
[20:21] <toolbear> mamarok: maybe, but one that still runs into permission problems
[20:21] <Mamarok> absolutely not, what makes you think that?
[20:22] <toolbear> mamarok: well, i've made bash scripts that work perfectly fine with a root user, but can't be executed if you use sudo
[20:22] <Mamarok> and again, a live CD has no root password, you don't talk about an installed Linux system
[20:22] <Mamarok> well, those should, are you sure you made no error?
[20:23] <Mamarok> you can login as admin with sudo -i to make it permanent in a shell
[20:23] <toolbear> mamarok: they were pretty simple scripts. and the only difference was using a root shell vs. using sudo in a regular shell
[20:23] <Mamarok> besides that being dangerous, it might give you what you want
[20:23] <James147> toolbear: cant you edit the script to run as a user and use sudo when it needs to?
[20:23] <Mamarok> but if your scripts are to startup GUI apps, you need kdesudo, instead
[20:23] <James147> toolbear: ^^ that would be the suggested method
[20:23] <toolbear> james147: tried that, doesn't work
[20:24] <toolbear> james147: i mean, i believe that it SHOULD work, but for some reason there are problems
[20:24] <Mamarok> toolbear: btw, using tab completion for nickname s might be a good idea, my nick has a capital M
[20:25] <Mamarok> so has James147
[20:25] <toolbear> Mamarok: sorry, i didn't think that it would bother you if i used lowercase
[20:25] <James147> Mamarok: quasel is picking up the lowercase for me anyway :D
[20:26] <Mamarok> that would be an bug, then
[20:26] <James147> toolbear: its more for nickname highliting (makes it easier to follow)
[20:26] <toolbear> James147: oh, ok
[20:27] <Mamarok> James147: well, it highlights OK, I just can't stand when people change my names or nicks
[20:27] <James147> Mamarok: no, feature, there si an option to enable/disable case-sensitive
[20:27] <toolbear> well, thanks for you help!
[20:50] <sheldon> when kde 4.4.80 packages will be uploaded to beta backports ppa?
[20:51] <sheldon> hi shadeslayer i saw that kde 4.4.80 is in maverick repo. When will be upload to lucid beta backports ppa?
[20:56] <tsimpson> sheldon: packages are in the process of being created
[20:57] <sheldon> tsimpson, before 12 AM (+1 GTM) they will be in PPA ?
[20:58] <tsimpson> sheldon: there is no time table, it'll be announced on http://www.kubuntu.org/news
[21:01] <shadeslayer> um
[21:02] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: PS theyre in experimental
[21:02] <shadeslayer> but were still testing them
[21:02] <shadeslayer> so still... DO NOT USE
[21:02] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: not sure if it's all built yet though
[21:02] <tsimpson> and dependency issues etc, always fun
[21:02] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: hehe http://pastebin.com/FAPPnYbv
[21:03] <Mamarok> no, the most basic packages are not puilt, no use to even try
[21:03] <Mamarok> built*
[21:05] <SJr> I just installed Kubuntu 10.04 on my laptop, and now my boot up screen is broken and is in horrible low color mode, I tried returning my laptop to Best Buy, but they wouldn't take it back.
[21:06] <SJr> They said it was your fault
[21:06] <shadeslayer> SJr: you have the nvidia drivers?
[21:06] <SJr> yeah
[21:07] <shadeslayer> SJr: you can try this http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml
[21:08] <SJr> thank you good sir
[21:09] <shadeslayer> SJr: ;)
[21:09] <shadeslayer> SJr: note this though,the logo will most of the times be misplaced
[21:09] <shadeslayer> SJr: like itll go to the extreme left...
[21:10] <shadeslayer> SJr: so uninstall the proprietary driver to get the beautiful splash back... or disable plymouth like i did :P
[21:11] <SJr> sigh
[21:11] <SJr> so many people will use those fixes on there laptops that don't support 1280x1024
[21:14] <SJr> ewwww
[21:14] <SJr> that didn't work at all
[21:14] <SJr> atleast only partially
[21:14] <SJr> the color depth is no longer 4 bits, but the resolution was probably 320x240
[21:20] <shadeslayer> SJr: did you follow all the steps there?
[21:21] <SJr> yeah I believe so
[21:21] <shadeslayer> SJr: you probably didnt adjust the grub line.. or update grub
[21:22] <shadeslayer> SJr: the problem isnt with K/Ubuntu btw,the problem is with nvidia drivers,they do not support KMS
[21:23] <SJr> No I did
[21:23] <SJr> The menu to select the kernel, that certainly shows up in the right resolution
[21:23] <shadeslayer> SJr: hmm...
[21:23] <SJr> i.e. 1280x800
[21:23] <SJr> but the actual logo is either in the wrong resolution
[21:24] <SJr> and/or in the wrong color
[21:24] <shadeslayer> SJr: and did you edit the line passed for booting ubuntu?
[21:24] <SJr> hmmmm yeah
[21:24] <SJr> but maybe something else is wrong
[21:24] <SJr> as I can't switch to console
[21:25] <SJr> just get a black screen
[21:27] <shadeslayer> SJr: told ya
[21:28] <shadeslayer> SJr: the tty's get destroyed.. they get shifted to the bottom
[21:28] <shadeslayer> thats the downside
[21:28] <SJr> when did you say that before?
[21:28] <shadeslayer> SJr: told you that plymouth gets shifted...
[21:28] <shadeslayer> along with the tty's
[21:28] <SJr> hmmmm
[21:29] <SJr> um
[21:29] <SJr> alright so how can I just disable the logo
[21:29] <shadeslayer> SJr: remove the splash line from /etc/default/grub
[21:29] <SJr> that's it
[21:29] <SJr> I can leave my existing changes?
[21:30] <shadeslayer> SJr: not the splash line.. i mean the splash word
[21:30] <shadeslayer> SJr: cange GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="splash video=vesafb:mode_option=1440x900-24"
[21:30] <shadeslayer> to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
[21:31] <SJr> what if I still want a high res terminal?
[21:31] <shadeslayer> SJr: in grub?
[21:31] <SJr> nah
[21:31] <SJr> ttys
[21:31] <shadeslayer> not possible without the vesafb: part
[21:32] <SJr> What's a good FOSS dropbox replacement
[21:33] <James147> SJr: Ubuntu one offers a similuar service
[21:33] <shadeslayer> SJr: hmm.. ubuntu one
[21:33] <shadeslayer> James147: no kde integration for now though
[21:34] <SJr> yeah but it only works on Ubuntu, and I don't like hosting my files elsewhere
[21:35] <James147> SJr: Spideroak is another one but I dont know much about it
[21:36] <tsimpson> SJr: it's not only for Ubuntu
[21:36] <SJr> yeah but it's not FOSS
[21:36] <SJr> Novell had one I forget the name but you needed SUSE to host it
[21:37] <bradpitt> hi. i just finish installing kubuntu lucid then i install choqok. but it seems choqok wont update twitter timelines. what did i miss? thanks
[21:38] <tsimpson> SJr: what's not FOSS about it?
[21:39] <SJr> about which one
[21:39] <SJr> Spideroak
[21:41] <SJr>  For the moment, the SpiderOak client will remain a closed source, commercial application.
[21:41] <tsimpson> no, ubuntu one
[21:46] <SJr> Server Side is closed source
[21:49] <ubuntu_> list
[21:49] <ubuntu_> lıst
[21:59] <GeekZoid> hi
[21:59] <GeekZoid> does anyone here use amarok
[21:59] <GeekZoid> with kubuntu
[21:59] <GeekZoid> Mplayer is working fine, however none of the songs play in amarok
[21:59] <GeekZoid> so im confused on how the new amarok works 2.3
[21:59] <GeekZoid> im using kubuntu
[22:00] <James147> GeekZoid: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[22:00] <GeekZoid> i installed ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:00] <GeekZoid> :)
[22:00] <GeekZoid> i'll try kubuntu now
[22:01] <James147> GeekZoid: not sure if it makes much difference (dont know why they have different versions)
[22:01] <shadeslayer> GeekZoid: yeah the kubuntu ones contain the mp3 codec for xine
[22:01] <shadeslayer> James147: ^^
[22:01] <James147> shadeslayer:  :)
[22:01] <GeekZoid> there we go
[22:01] <GeekZoid> thanks
[22:02] <GeekZoid> ls
[22:02] <GeekZoid> thanks
[22:02] <GeekZoid> its working great now
[22:04] <rav> hello. are there problems with knetworkmanager in lucid?
[22:04] <James147> rav: not having any 'major' issues here
[22:06] <rav> james147: I have trouble connecting, the "connected" icon never shows up, and now the right-click menu won't go away
[22:06] <James147> rav: But I can't say you wont have any :)
[22:06] <James147> rav: on lucid?
[22:06] <rav> James147: yes
[22:07] <rav> James147: I do get connected, but after many tries
[22:08] <James147> rav: hmm, did you upgrade or do a fresh install?
[22:08] <rav> James147: a fresh install
[22:09] <rav> James147: i'll see if the router at work gives me trouble tomorrow. if it does, i'll install wicd
[22:17] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rav, eth0 or wlan0 ?
[22:17] <rav> BluesKaj-Laptop: wlan0
[22:20] <sheytan> Hi
[22:20] <sheytan> my Xorg process takes about 20% of my cpu
[22:21] <sheytan> and on my 4gb of ram machine, with 4 cores cpu and gf 8800gts it's kinda slow
[22:21] <James147> sheytan: mostlikly is its another application that is causing that
[22:21] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hey :D
[22:21] <sheytan> James147 like what?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> sheytan: thanks for the wallpaper ;)
[22:22] <sheytan> shadeslayer which one? :D
[22:22] <sheytan> and you're welcome ;)
[22:22] <shadeslayer> sheytan: the blue kubuntu one :P
[22:22] <James147> sheytan: not sure alot of applications offlode proccing to xorg
[22:22] <James147> offload processing ^^
[22:22] <sheytan> shadeslayer oh ;)
[22:23] <sheytan> James147, with all closed windows
[22:23] <sheytan> it takes about 15
[22:23] <sheytan> %
[22:23] <shadeslayer> sheytan: orange doesnt go along too well with ' kubuntu ' :P
[22:23] <James147> sheytan: only thing I can suggest is closing some other applications :S firefox tends to be a major culprit and as for the slowness, make sure you turn off strigi indexing :)
[22:23] <sheytan> James147 strigi off, using chrome (closed anyway)
[22:24] <sheytan> shadeslayer why not? :P
[22:24] <sheytan> I think too much blue is bad idea :D
[22:24] <sheytan> sometimes - ok, but not everywhere
[22:24] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rav, does knetworkmanager launch from the run command ?
[22:26] <sheytan> James147 without plasma-desktop i takes about 1%  :D
[22:26] <sheytan> so we've got the evil :D
[22:26] <James147> sheytan: :S
[22:26] <shadeslayer> sheytan: clashes everywhere with my desktop :P
[22:26] <sheytan> anyway i need my desktop back :D
[22:26] <rav> BluesKaj-Laptop: it starts from boot, right after I open my kwallet it tries to connect. but it just stays in "Getting network address" and then the icon turns to the unplugged cable
[22:26] <James147> sheytan: disabling desktop effects might help
[22:26] <sheytan> James147 no way :D
[22:26] <rav> BluesKaj-Laptop: it try to reconnect from the right-click menu, and after several tries, eventually it connects
[22:27] <James147> sheytan: ^^ disabling "unneeded" desktop effect might help :)
[22:27] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rav, can you open the icon by right click to manage connections?
[22:27] <James147> sheytan: (test by disabling all first to see if it actually will help)
[22:28] <rav> BluesKaj-Laptop: i can. but today, that menu is stuck there. it won't go away, and there's a taskbar item for it too
[22:28] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rav, which chipset is your wifi/
[22:29] <rav> BluesKaj-Laptop: Atheros AR5001
[22:30] <sheytan> James147 well, i disabled few that i don't need. And btw had enabled two of alt+tab switchers which was unneeded and it looks like it helped ;D
[22:30] <shadeslayer> sheytan: just unload some effects and you should be good to go
[22:30] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rav, you should have the option to configure the wifi settings , like your encryption wep/wpa etc and password
[22:31] <rav> BluesKaj-Laptop: i have that
[22:31] <sheytan> shadeslayer did it, and it's way better ;D
[22:31] <shadeslayer> sheytan: awesome
[22:31] <sheytan> yeah :D
[22:32] <James147> sheytan: strigi and desktop effects seem to slow things down alot more then tey should atm :S (read too many desktop effects)
[22:33] <BluesKaj-Laptop> rav, i used wicd til i installed lucid , my atheros AR928X finally works with knetworkmanager ...previously on karmic and jaunty it didn't.
[22:33] <sheytan> James147 yes, but strigi is not so bad at all. At least for me when it's indexing files, i don't see big difference in system performance. Anyway that with desktop effects helped ;)
[22:34] <rav> BluesKaj-Laptop: it works, but it doesn't connect automatically and it seems the widget/plasmoid thingy is not working right
[22:34] <James147> sheytan: on my netbook its fine 'most' of the time, but when I start some applications it seems to cause them to crash :S noticed it with quasel and chromium that work fine when its disabled
[22:34] <rav> BluesKaj-Laptop: the right-click menu is stuck and the icon is also stuck in "connecting" even though it's connected
[22:35] <BluesKaj-Laptop> ok rav , understood ... knetworkmanager is still flaky for some setups
[22:35] <sheytan> James147 you mean strigi or the desktop effects?
[22:35] <James147> sheytan: also vitrual box and a few others... strigi
[22:35] <James147> sheytan: never had a problem with desktop effects
[22:35] <rav> BluesKaj-Laptop: my home router is new, i'll see if the work router is also like this tomorrow
[22:36] <James147> sheytan: usually casues my system to randomly crall to a stop untill i either kill stigi or one other application
[22:36] <sheytan> James147 looks like i'm the first one, or it was caused by enabled two effects for the same thing
[22:36] <sheytan> apachelogger hi tehre :D
[22:36] <James147> sheytan: have noticed higher resource usage with more effects enabled, but never really noticed it that much
[22:37] <sheytan> James147 i did ;)
[22:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: hoy
[22:37] <shadeslayer> sheytan: btw did you see the notice about kde looking for new wallpapers?
[22:37] <James147> sheytan: have also noticed that letting krunner use nepomuk causes it to randomly lock up for serival seconds
[22:38] <sheytan> apachelogger could  you tell me please where to get that fluffy distro, or plasma theme? :D
[22:38] <apachelogger> theme http://gitorious.org/fluffy/unicorn
[22:38] <sheytan> shadeslayer yes, but they preffer photographs ;)
[22:38] <apachelogger> distro is not yet published
[22:38] <sheytan> James147 might be ;)
[22:38] <shadeslayer> sheytan: aw :)
[22:38] <sheytan> apachelogger thank you :D
[22:39] <sheytan> shadeslayer if i had a good digital camera :(
[22:39] <apachelogger> sheytan: dont forget to like it on facebook ^^
[22:39] <sheytan> only've got the phone with 3,2 mpx, but that's not enough
[22:39] <sheytan> apachelogger will remember when i join facebook ;)
[22:49] <GeekZoid> hi
[22:49] <GeekZoid> how do you change the display settings so they get saved
[22:49] <GeekZoid> everytime i reboot they get resetted
[22:49] <GeekZoid> when i use the display manager in kde
[22:50] <GeekZoid> hello
[22:50] <GeekZoid> ?
[22:52] <BluesKaj-Laptop> GeekZoid, make sure click apply after making changes
[22:52] <GeekZoid> i do
[22:52] <GeekZoid> every time i reboot...it goes back to being twin vie wmonitor
[22:52] <GeekZoid> I have 2 monitors i have to always reset it back to not clone
[22:53] <GeekZoid> maybe i pressed ok ill try apply
[22:56] <Mausschubser> !de
[22:57] <cannonfodder> can somone invite me into the #java channel
[23:03] <eddy_> how can i change  etc/modules ?
[23:15] <FireCrotch> GeekZoid: I have the same problem, on a laptop connected to an external monitor
[23:32] <Mausschubser> hello, anyone using wine under 10.04?
[23:32] <Mausschubser> successfully
[23:34] <Sparkrin> yes i´m
[23:34] <Mausschubser> ah hello
[23:34] <Mausschubser> without setting it up?
[23:35] <Sparkrin> i installed wine 1.2 rc2
[23:35] <Mausschubser> how?
[23:36] <Mausschubser> Sparkrin: through the repository?
[23:37] <Sparkrin> add http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu to the sources list
[23:37] <Mausschubser> I already did, thanks
[23:37] <Mausschubser> so I already had the latest version, now I have 1.01
[23:37] <Mausschubser> but there is no difference, meanwhile I managed to install the programme but I can't start it!
[23:38] <Mausschubser> cause I can't find it in the system or KDE menu
[23:38] <Sparkrin> you can install wine 1.2 that wine
[23:38] <Sparkrin> try running winecfg
[23:43] <Mausschubser> in the command line?
[23:43] <Mausschubser> ah, first I need 1.2, ok....
[23:45] <Sparkrin> no you can use the command without 1.2
[23:46] <Sparkrin> yes command line or alt+F2
[23:53] <Mausschubser> sparkrin still there?
[23:59] <casperii> holaa
[23:59] <casperii> no hay nadie????


[16:41] <A-Curious-Mouse> can anybody help me with samba? I'm following the official documentation, but it's a bit ambiguous and I just need some clarity on what it actually means.
[16:45] <diogenes_> !samba
[16:49] <pikapika> Hey diogenes_ have you ever tried bluetooth transfers on ubuntu
[16:49] <diogenes_> pikapika, yep.
[16:49] <pikapika> Does it drop files in some weird directory within .cache instead of in Downloads?
[16:50] <diogenes_> pikapika, blueman drops it in Downloads.
[16:51] <pikapika> Hmm I used the gui of the applet, is that not blueman?
[16:51] <pikapika> ~/.cache/obexd/
[16:51] <pikapika> This is where the file ended up in
[16:52] <pikapika> With 'blueman-applet'
[16:52] <diogenes_> try in the menu bluetooth manager.
[16:52] <pikapika> Menu as in system settings window?
[16:53] <diogenes_> whisker menu.
[16:53] <pikapika> yes thats the one I was talking about
[16:54] <pikapika> diogenes_, doesn't do anything when clicked
[16:55] <diogenes_> maybe exit the applet first.
[16:55] <pikapika> oh
[16:55] <pikapika> good point
[16:56] <A-Curious-Mouse> ahh sorry went afk to try and find answers elsewhere
[16:56] <A-Curious-Mouse> re: samba
[16:56] <pikapika> diogenes_, exit the applet and even did a systemctl restart bluetooth to be sure
[16:56] <A-Curious-Mouse> I have the basics down, I know what it is and why I want to use it etc.
[16:56] <pikapika> still nothing happens when I click on the menu entry
[16:57] <pikapika> the menu entry for Bluetooth adapters to the left however opens a dialog asking if I should enable bluetooth
[16:57] <pikapika> and when I enable it, blueman-applet automatically started
[16:57] <pikapika> Its not a big problem for me all in all, since its very rare I have to use bluetooth and the file does end up somewhere on the machine even if not the expected location
[16:57] <diogenes_> pikapika, yep it should first enable bluetooth.
[16:58] <pikapika> diogenes_, yeah so the bluetooth manager link didn't do anything even after exiting the applet and restarting bluetooth via systemctl
[16:59] <diogenes_> pikapika, blueman-manager is the command.
[16:59] <diogenes_> see what terminal outputs.
[17:00] <pikapika> Gave me a python stack trace, then blueman-manager version 2.0.5 starting
[17:00] <pikapika> There is an instance already running
[17:00] <pikapika> interestingly the first line of the trace refers to pulseaudio profile for some reason
[17:01] <diogenes_> so that's why, try: killall -9 blueman
[17:02] <pikapika> that didn't match anything
[17:02] <pikapika> I did a pkill blueman
[17:02] <pikapika> then retried the blueman-manager command
[17:02] <pikapika> and it works now
[17:03] <pikapika> though it opens up the same gui that I had found from the applet menu
[17:03] <pikapika> and yeah applet started again
[17:03] <pikapika> Anyways, I'll still try this series of steps next time I have to do a transfer and see whether the files land in the right place then
[17:03] <pikapika> Thanks for the help
[17:04] <diogenes_> pikapika, install dconf-editor
[17:04] <pikapika> diogenes_, it appears related to gnome...do I have to do this on xubuntu?
[17:04] <diogenes_> then go to blueman > shared-path.
[17:10] <pikapika> ok installed it...also that bluetooth-manager seems to have dropped into a bluetooth shell now
[17:11] <pikapika> diogenes_, The following schemas:
[17:11] <pikapika>   org.blueman.plugins.netusages
[17:11] <pikapika>   org.blueman.gsmsettings
[17:11] <pikapika> contain neither keys nor children.
[17:11] <pikapika> it said on the terminal when I opened dconf-editor
[17:12] <pikapika> does that mean anything or can it be ignored?
[17:12] <diogenes_> just see if there is blueman settings in dconf-editor
[17:13] <pikapika> it has something in /org/blueman
[17:14] <pikapika> yeah the /org/blueman/transfer/shared-path has the string for my ~/Downloads
[17:18] <diogenes_> try to change it to Documents for instance and see if it's obayed.
[17:20] <pikapika> Thanks, I'll try to manually edit that key next time I do a transfer and see if it works
[17:21] <diogenes_> ok come with a feedback.
[17:22] <pikapika> Thank you for the help
[17:24] <diogenes_> you're welcome
[18:59] <bodero> hello, i have a problem, i did a mistake and delete sources.list, now i cant install any packet, where can i find the repos or sources.list original??
[19:37] <jatt> dpkg -S sources.list
[19:37] <jatt> or better, restore it from your backup