[15:47] <jeroen-> afterwards you can configure it easilt under systemsettings
[15:47] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: i did and it creates a faulty one again. funny but that same xorg.conf file works perfect on my laptop
[15:48] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: strange, it should start without making a new xorg.conf
[15:48] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: try to a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[15:48] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: gui settings is also disabled. could not load a module. i set the driver to vesa but the best i can get then is 800x600
[15:49] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: ok i'll run that
[15:49] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: ok so X starts?
[15:49] <ScorpKing> yes it does
[15:49] <jeroen-> try another driver
[15:50] <ScorpKing> i did. usually i'm quite happy to fiddle with X but this one beats me
[15:51] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg does nothing. is there a verbose option i can give it?
[15:51] <linux66> salut tout le monde
[15:54] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: here is xorg.conf - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11257/
[15:55] <ScorpKing> looking at the logs X does use /etc/X11/xorg.conf but if i look at that file i tend to think different
[15:56] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:57] <ScorpKing> ah ok. doing it now.
[15:57] <jeroen-> it should detect the right driver
[15:57] <jeroen-> just go with the defaults
[15:57] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: why would that xorg.conf ^ work?
[15:58] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: it genaretes a new xorg.conf
[15:58] <jeroen-> if that is not working maybe someone else knows the answer
[15:58] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: the one i pasted is perfect on my/this laptop. i'm confused why. is yours the same?
[15:58] <jeroen-> ScorpKing: no
[15:59] <ScorpKing> hmm..
[15:59] <ScorpKing> jeroen-: thanks for the help. i'll get it working ;)
[15:59] <jeroen-> good luck
[15:59] <sevenseeker> what do I use for multimedia keys in KDE4?
[15:59] <ScorpKing> ty :)
[15:59] <jeroen-> sevenseeker: kmilo
[16:00] <sevenseeker> ty
[16:00] <jeroen-> again my question: anyone knows about the problem that the power-manager says "lid is closed", but the laptop lid is actually not closed?
[16:01] <pulaski> hello
[16:07] <giacomo> !it
[16:12] <pulaski> I recently upgraded from gutsy 7.10 desktop to hardy heron 8.4.  Everything seemed to go fine however there is a package libgtk1.2 that Adept Updater grabs whose statuts is upgradable though its Requested field indicates no change.  The Adept Updater icon in the system tray remains.  When I use apt-get update/upgrade the same package is shown with the message "The following packages have been kept back: libgtk1.2.  Can anyone
[16:12] <pulaski> suggest why this package has been kept back and how long will the adept-updater icon remain?  Is it worth worrying about?
[16:17] <hizoka_> bonjour
[16:17] <hizoka_> je viens de faire une belle connerie... un bo petit rm sur un dossier (me suis planter en collant ladresse)
[16:17] <hizoka_> comment peut on annuler le rm ?
[16:17] <hizoka_> svp....
[16:17] <SlimeyPete> !french
[16:18] <jeroen-> pulaski: try in terminal:  "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and see if it works, if not try to find the error message
[16:18] <hizoka_> merde... thanks
[16:19] <pulaski> thank you jeroen, I will.
[16:19] <sevenseeker> it would appear that KDE4 desktop effects do not play nicely with pidgin and firefox, those become invisible
[16:20] <nathan> hello
[16:20] <nathan> anybody here?
[16:20] <SlimeyPete> yes.
[16:20] <nathan> i just got Ubuntu
[16:21] <nathan> how come the sound dosent work on firefox?
[16:22] <SlimeyPete> no idea. I've not come across that problem... but then my sound doesn't work at all.
[16:22] <nathan> well i thought it didnt work at all but some things do
[16:24] <SlimeyPete> if you're running Ubuntu as opposed to Kubuntu, you'll be using Pulseaudio - it may be a problem with that?
[16:24] <SlimeyPete> though in that case you're best off asking in #ubuntu
[16:25] <nathan> i have no knowledge of IRC whatsoever, i opened my new IRC client and it put me here
[16:25] <SlimeyPete> ah. Konversation probably does that by default
[16:25] <SlimeyPete> type "/join #ubuntu" without the quotes
[16:32] <igor__> hallo people
[16:32] <ph3n0n> hello
[16:32] <igor__> can somebody help me with radio
[16:32] <igor__> i have tv card
[16:33] <ph3n0n> which one?
[16:33] <xsacha> igor__: Kaffeine?
[16:33] <igor__> kradio
[16:33] <igor__> i hear nothing
[16:33] <xsacha> kaffeine can play radio and tv from tv tuner
[16:34] <sevenseeker> anyone know how to configure multimedia keys (kmilo) in KDE4?
[16:34] <igor__> i did no try
[16:34] <igor__> i heard tht i must write radio=1
[16:34] <ph3n0n> oh yea, in fstab..
[16:35] <igor__> where ist that
[16:35] <igor__> and where is in kubuntu module.conf
[16:36] <igor__> i open kaffeine
[16:37] <igor__> but there is no option for radio
[16:38] <igor__> i have kubuntu 7.10 cd live
[16:45] <Nebular> I am attepting to use the 8.04 live cd on my dell inspiron 8100. It has a 3Com 3c556 network card, but it doesn't seem work with the livecd. lspci show it, but when I load the module 3c556 it doesn't bring up eth0. I get no error from loading the module
[16:45] <Nebular> any ideas?
[16:47] <pulaski> jeroen, thanks 'sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2'  worked.  Evidently libgtk1.2 was missing some dependencies.  I wonder,  the install process removed a couple packages I had manually installed 'bcjfiltercups' and ' bjfilterpixus550i' under gutsty in an unsucessful effort to get my canon i550 printer to work under kubuntu.  I think I might try again to install the printer.  Have you or anyone else here successfully installed a
[16:47] <pulaski> canon i550 printer for kubuntu?
[16:53] <heinkel_111> hello..now I have upgraded to Hardy Heron, and precisely like when I upgraded to gutsy, that means nothing concerning x graphics work, i guess it is the nvidia driver installation problem in yet another appearance (sigh)...I am back to surfing the net with lynx and irssi, at least there is a chance I can find some howto solutions now
[16:53] <heinkel_111> long live the console login
[16:53] <SlimeyPete> I'd edit your xorg.conf so that X uses the vesa driver
[16:54] <SlimeyPete> then use the hardware manager in X.
[16:55] <jasmin_> hi
[16:56] <SlimeyPete> hi
[16:57] <jasmin_> i getting error cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/theme/kubuntu
[16:57] <jasmin_> SlimeyPete:  i getting error cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/theme/kubuntu
[16:57] <jasmin_> SlimeyPete: what i hav to do
[16:58] <SlimeyPete> sorry, I don't know anything about themes. Maybe someone else here can help.
[16:58] <jasmin_> plz any one knows this ple help me out
[16:59] <genii> jasmin_: I just arrived. Please re-state your problem
[16:59] <jasmin_> chodi nav bhosdi nav help karo
[17:00] <SlimeyPete> 16:57 < jasmin_> i getting error cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/theme/kubuntu
[17:00] <jasmin_> genii:  i getting error cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/theme/kubuntu
[17:00] <genii> OK
[17:00] <genii> cannot FIND theme file?
[17:00] <jasmin_> genii: ya
[17:01] <genii> Put an s on theme
[17:01] <jasmin_> genii: what ???
[17:03] <jasmin_> genii: i didnt understand what u said
[17:03] <genii> jasmin_:   /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu                <- note themes  not theme
[17:03] <genii> The directory themes exists. The directory theme does not exists
[17:05] <jasmin_> genii: so what i hav to do
[17:05] <genii> jasmin_: What were you attempting that gave you the original error?
[17:05] <bitbyte> good morning
[17:05] <bitbyte> afternoon/evening etc
[17:05]  * genii slides bitbyte a coffee
[17:06] <bitbyte> sweet
[17:06]  * bitbyte slurps
[17:06] <jasmin_> genii: i get this error ->>> cannot theme file /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu
[17:07]  * wirechief__ looks at empty cup
[17:07]  * genii makes wirechief__ a coffee also
[17:07]  * wirechief__ sips ahhhh
[17:07] <genii> jasmin_: When the login screen tries to load?
[17:07] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: I got an x display with kde up and running now. I changed the xorg.conf to use "nv" driver instead of "nvidia" (not "vesa")
[17:08] <jasmin_> genii: yes
[17:08]  * dhq wishes he also had a coffee
[17:08] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: I guess I now need to manually download and install nvidia driver?
[17:08] <SlimeyPete> no
[17:08]  * genii fills a Kubuntu mug with more coffee and hands it to dhq
[17:08] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: look in K -> System Settings
[17:08] <SlimeyPete> in Advanced there should be a restricted driver manager
[17:09] <Jucato> heinkel_111: Hardy? K Menu -> System -> Hardware Drivers Manager
[17:09] <SlimeyPete> that's the one
[17:09]  * dhq feels ilated and sips the this smoking bru from the kubuntu mug
[17:09] <bitbyte> i want to buy an nvidia video card that will do the 3d desktop stuff. as well as some very light gaming. nothing serious. but i don't want to break the bank, can anyone recommend a model with good linux support?
[17:09] <Jucato> Gutsy? K Menu -> System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Restricted Manager
[17:09] <SlimeyPete> bitbyte: one of the 8600s, or else a 7-series is still fine for "light" gaming.
[17:10] <bitbyte> k
[17:10] <SlimeyPete> my 7600s are well-supported
[17:10] <jasmin_> genii: hello finished ur coffff
[17:10] <bitbyte> i know if you get one thats too new then you don't get support either, or that's what the case used to be
[17:10] <bitbyte> it's like walking a tightrope
[17:10] <genii> jasmin_: I'm investigationg your issue. Please be patient
[17:10] <SlimeyPete> I should think 8600s will be fine... though you'll want to google first
[17:10] <heinkel_111> Jucato: SlimeyPete: I have just done the gutsy to HH upgrade, will try the new hardware driver manager... back later
[17:10] <SlimeyPete> they're not bleeding-edge.
[17:10] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: good luck :)
[17:11] <erythrocyte> hi...has anyone here had any luck installing opera 9.5 beta 2 on hardy?
[17:11] <jasmin_> genii: ok
[17:11] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: the 8600 is the card causing me trouble at each upgrade, btw
[17:11] <erythrocyte> installing and getting it to work, i mean
[17:11] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: if you used nvidia's own driver installer, then that's the problem, not the card
[17:12] <genii> jasmin_: Please issue from Konsole:      sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-kdm-themes
[17:12] <SlimeyPete> if you use the nvidia installer, every time the kernel gets upgraded your driver will stop working.
[17:12] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: Jucato: that hardware driver manager is useless to me, shows no info and nothing to edit in there...
[17:13] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete:  I had to use the nvidia installer because gutsy didnt support the 8600
[17:13] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: ah.
[17:13] <romulo> hi, how i change the default qmake to qt4?
[17:13] <jasmin_> genii: after i did that what i hav to do
[17:13] <SlimeyPete> heinkel_111: next thing to do is try apt-get-ing the nvidia packages then
[17:13] <genii> jasmin_: Did it complete successfully?
[17:14] <jasmin_> genii: ok
[17:14] <heinkel_111> SlimeyPete: Jucato: will try ...
[17:14] <heinkel_111> brb
[17:14]  * heinkel_111 'd like a cup of that 'buntu brew as well btw
[17:14] <genii> jasmin_: After that command, logout of Kubuntu and see if the login screen works properly
[17:14] <erythrocyte> anyone here successfully installed and ran opera 9.5 beta 2?
[17:15] <xsacha> me
[17:15]  * genii gets out a new tray of Kubuntu mugs, tops them with coffee and hands them out
[17:15] <jasmin_> genii: ok
[17:15]  * bitbyte sips one
[17:15] <xsacha> erythrocyte: im actually running the latest snapshot (may 9th) of opera 9.5 amd64 shared qt
[17:15] <bitbyte> actually i'm drinking a senseo right now
[17:16]  * dhq gladly enjoying the brew prepared by genii
[17:16] <genii> I wish the Ubuntu store sold Kubuntu stuff as well
[17:16] <erythrocyte> xsacha: i tried installing the latest snapshot as well as the beta 2 release and i keep getting a segfault before the entire thing crashes :(
[17:16] <xsacha> yeah id buy a dragon
[17:16] <genii> Then we could actualy have Kubuntu mugs :)
[17:16] <erythrocyte> my platform is kubuntu hardy, intel, 32 bit
[17:16] <xsacha> erythrocyte: :(
[17:16] <dhq> yes and even the shits
[17:16] <genii> xsacha:  :)
[17:16] <xsacha> im kubuntu hardy, amd64
[17:17] <dhq> and the stickers
[17:17] <xsacha> no idea ery, it works very well here and very fast. no crashes or bugs for me yet
[17:17] <erythrocyte> xsacha:is there a way i can get it to work, or should i just forget it?
[17:17] <xsacha> not sure why it would segfault
[17:17] <erythrocyte> ok xsacha
[17:18] <wirechief__> erythrocyte: did the media check ok ?
[17:18] <heinkel_112> now i got konversation as well :) bust still no nvidia driver
[17:18] <erythrocyte> yea
[17:18] <dhq> heinkel_112: what problem do u face
[17:19] <jasmin_> genii: hey its giving same prob
[17:19] <erythrocyte> xsacha: i tried using all of the versions they have...the static ones as well as the shared ones
[17:19] <erythrocyte> same error everytime
[17:19] <genii> jasmin_: OK. After it gives this error, does it go to some default login screeen?
[17:19] <xsacha> do other browsers work for you?
[17:19] <xsacha> firefox? konqueror?
[17:19] <erythrocyte> yea...they do
[17:19] <erythrocyte> ff3b5 works fine...although it takes a ton of memory
[17:20] <jasmin_> genii: yes
[17:20] <erythrocyte> i love konqueror...except that flash isn't working that well
[17:20] <xsacha> yes :(
[17:20] <heinkel_112> dhq...same as heinkel_111 if yolu scroll a few screens back ;)
[17:20] <genii> jasmin_: Are you on kde3 or kde4?
[17:20] <jasmin_> genii: Kde3
[17:21] <erythrocyte> xsacha: i filed my comments on flash & konqueror at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/184149
[17:21] <wirechief__> i dont like the latest konqueror, i cant get split screens :(
[17:21] <erythrocyte> xsacha: does youtube work with konqueror for you?
[17:21] <genii> jasmin_: OK. Give me some minutes for research
[17:21] <jasmin_> genii: ok
[17:22] <xsacha> erythrocyte: it works but not very well
[17:22] <erythrocyte> wirechief: my konq splits just fine
[17:22] <xsacha> very slow and it has pauses
[17:22] <CrunchyFerrett> mornin  wirechief
[17:22] <xsacha> on opera its brilliant
[17:22] <erythrocyte> xsacha: may i ask why the bug has been marked fixed, if it hasn't resolved the issue yet?
[17:23] <xsacha> just wished opera had a better interface
[17:23] <erythrocyte> xsacha: too bad opera tanks for me :(
[17:23] <xsacha> erythrocyte: maybe they think they have or there was a regression. open it again?
[17:23] <wirechief__> erythrocyte: i didnt see a setting for it, will check again.
[17:23] <wirechief__> morning CrunchyFerrett
[17:24] <dhq> heinkel_112: i had the same problem my kubuntu was using vesa drivers and then when i changed it to nv i would get a black screen so i downloaded the beta drivers and it worked well
[17:24] <erythrocyte> xsacha: i'm a total noob, and i'm always scared about messing with the tags on launchpad :)
[17:24] <dhq> jasmin_: i guess you will have to reinstall kdm
[17:24] <dhq> jasmin_: i dont know the size of it
[17:24] <heinkel_112> dhq..beta drivers from where? nvidia?
[17:24] <erythrocyte> xsacha: did you need to install sun java for opera to work? or are you using openjdk?
[17:25] <dhq> heinkel_112: from nvidia site
[17:25] <dhq> heinkel_112: what is you graphic model
[17:25] <heinkel_112> dhq thanks for info
[17:25] <xsacha> i think.. jre or something
[17:25] <genii> jasmin_: I found a bug report regarding your issue. Did you previously have a server install or minimal install and then install kubuntu-desktop?
[17:25] <dhq> jasmin_: just check and let me know the size of kdm
[17:25] <heinkel_112> dh01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)q:
[17:26] <dhq> heinkel_112: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT (rev a1)  this is mine
[17:26] <dhq> so it should work
[17:26] <wirechief> erythrocyte: my konqueror does not have a Window tab 3.5.9
[17:26] <heinkel_112> dhq + that is what i had to do to get my computer to work with gutsy as well
[17:27] <heinkel_112> dhq just a tad disappointing they didnt manage to make it work in hardy
[17:27] <erythrocyte> wirechief: what do you mean?
[17:27] <dhq> heinkel_112: it will be fixed by the devs at kubuntu soon
[17:27] <plut0nash> hi
[17:28] <wirechief> erythrocyte: the older version 3.5.5 has a window tab but  3.5.9 does not have a window tab for split screen
[17:28] <plut0nash> how do i install synaptic on kubuntu with apt-get?
[17:28] <Jucato> plut0nash: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[17:28] <dhq> plut0nash: sugo apt-get install synaptics
[17:28] <dhq> plut0nash: sugo apt-get install synaptic
[17:28] <plut0nash> thanks
[17:28] <plut0nash> :)
[17:28] <dhq> Jucato: sorry for the push in
[17:28] <plut0nash> mm
[17:28] <jasmin_> dhq: may know what is this sugo
[17:28]  * Jucato doesn't mind
[17:28] <plut0nash> base install is the best install method ever
[17:29] <plut0nash> :D
[17:29] <Jucato> sugo?
[17:29] <jasmin_> Jucato: sugo ?? i think sudo
[17:29] <Jucato> !sudo | jasmin_
[17:29] <dhq> haha
[17:29] <erythrocyte> wirechief: i guess i don't know much about that...but when i goto View>Split Screen and select an option, it works for me...clicking in a split screen window makes it an 'active window'
[17:30] <jasmin_> lol lol  i know ok
[17:30] <plut0nash> second question
[17:30] <plut0nash> how do i get kdm to start on boot?
[17:30] <Jucato> jasmin_: oh right.. sorry...
[17:30]  * Jucato is sleepy
[17:31] <dhq> plut0nash: well doesnt it automatically start
[17:31] <plut0nash> long day /night Jucato?
[17:31] <plut0nash> dhq: afraid not
[17:31] <dhq> plut0nash: else you will have to put it in the boot scripts
[17:31] <plut0nash> had ot start it from init.d
[17:31] <plut0nash> mmm
[17:31] <plut0nash> is there a howto on that?
[17:31] <erythrocyte> wirechief: good luck with your problem..i'm heading out :)
[17:31] <plut0nash> prefer to work on that
[17:31] <erythrocyte> xsacha: thanks for your input...bye!
[17:31] <wirechief> erythrocyte: i just found the setting
[17:31] <dhq> it should be there maybe Jucato would be able to help you with that
[17:32] <erythrocyte> wirechief: great :)
[17:32] <plut0nash> ok
[17:32] <plut0nash> Jucato is tired though
[17:32] <plut0nash> :P
[17:32] <lardarse_> !dolphin
[17:32] <wirechief> erythrocyte: the older had it as default but not the newer
[17:32] <genii> jasmin_: Anyhow, the fix for you: in file /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc find the line: Theme=@@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@              and replace with: Theme=                   You can open it with alt-f2 and: kdesudo kate /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[17:33] <genii> kdesudo or kdesu
[17:34]  * genii sips his coffee
[17:34] <mrkeishii> so why do you guys use kubuntu?
[17:35] <afeijo> its cool
[17:35] <mrkeishii> does kubuntu have more features than Ubuntu?
[17:35] <afeijo> but I cant make my epson scanner to work, lol
[17:35] <dhq> mrkeishii: its jazzy and smooth
[17:35] <mrkeishii> is it better than ubuntu?
[17:35] <genii> !best
[17:35] <BluesKaj> mrkeishii, it's a matter of taste , mostly
[17:35] <genii> "better" is subjective
[17:35] <mrkeishii> okay
[17:36] <dhq> mrkeishii: well the difference is gnome and kde some like gnome some like kde
[17:36] <mrkeishii> well which is a better desktop?
[17:36] <xsacha> mrkeishii: another difference is kde apps use Qt and gnome apps use gtk generally
[17:36] <mrkeishii> what is qt
[17:36] <Jucato> !better | mrkeishii
[17:37] <Jucato> !qt | mrkeishii
[17:37] <xsacha> qt is a toolkit created by Trolltech (purchased by Nokia)
[17:37] <Jucato> xsacha: still in the process of.. not yet complete
[17:37] <xsacha> its gonna go through..
[17:37] <mrkeishii> so why do you guys prefer to use kde than ubuntu?
[17:38] <Jucato> xsacha: sure. but they have to pass EU scrutiny first
[17:38] <Jucato> which is why it isn't complete yet
[17:38] <richard> I would like to set up my 2 hard drives (Xp on one Kubuntu on the other) for dual booting, It indicated to add some lines to this file: boot/grub/grub.conf, but when I open with kate, there is no line indicating timeout = 30 for me to add to
[17:38] <Jucato> mrkeishii: simple reason. because it works for them/us, because they/we like it.
[17:38] <genii> mrkeishii: kde IS ubuntu, with a different window manager. It's all a matter of which graphical interface you like to the system underneath
[17:39] <xsacha> mrkeishii: maybe read this: http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-4-rev-790000-better-stability-and-performance/ (its visual so not so much reading)
[17:39] <genii> mrkeishii: Some ppl prefer kde some prefer gnome, others prefer other types of interfaces. It all depends on how you like to work or so
[17:39] <xsacha> lol
[17:40] <genii> Heh, drove him off :)
[17:40] <Jucato> next time he comes back and asks the same questions...
[17:40] <xsacha> ok, plan for next time: just say kubuntu is better, duh
[17:40] <genii> hehe
[17:40] <genii> Refer him to Ratpoison.....
[17:40] <Jucato> nah. I'll just kick... *if* he asks the same questions over and over again... it will be obvious that he's just trolling/baiting
[17:40] <xsacha> tell him xubuntu is best
[17:41] <genii> jasmin_: Did you take the steps i recommended yet to fix your kdm issue?
[17:41] <xsacha> :P
[17:41] <plut0nash> hmmm
[17:41] <plut0nash> how do i change the root password?
[17:42] <genii> bah
[17:42] <xsacha> well there is no root password by default in *ubuntu
[17:42] <plut0nash> i changed mine
[17:42] <plut0nash> want to set it to blank
[17:42] <plut0nash> :P
[17:42]  * genii is tempted to !root plut0nash
[17:42] <xsacha> a blank root password?
[17:42] <plut0nash> yeah
[17:42] <plut0nash> so i can run some apps
[17:43] <xsacha> *blinks*
[17:43] <xsacha> sudo
[17:43] <plut0nash> it seems to not allow adept to run
[17:43] <plut0nash> :(
[17:43]  * JoshOvki head hurts from all the possible security issues
[17:43] <plut0nash> and then tells me
[17:43] <plut0nash> no password supplied
[17:43] <JoshOvki> plut0nash: have you entered your password?
[17:44] <plut0nash> yes
[17:44] <plut0nash> i have
[17:44] <plut0nash> when i attempt to change teh root password
[17:44] <plut0nash> it doesn't allow me to blank it
[17:44] <JoshOvki> for obvious reasons
[17:44] <Jucato> there is no root password in the first place
[17:44] <genii> plut0nash: If you for some reason for instance ran adept with something like: sudo adept             or went: sudo su     then ran it, it will not run again for normal user because the permissions in your home directory got messy.
[17:45] <plut0nash> ok
[17:45] <plut0nash> sorted
[17:45] <Jucato> 2nd, having a passwordless root account is extremely dangerous
[17:45] <plut0nash> ok
[17:45] <plut0nash> well
[17:45] <plut0nash> at least i'm secured a little
[17:45] <plut0nash> :0
[17:45] <xsacha> how?
[17:46] <Jucato> you're not secured at all...
[17:46] <afeijo> what do you use for scanners?
[17:46] <plut0nash> Jucato: sarcasm dude :P
[17:46]  * JoshOvki didnt get the sarcasm
[17:46] <dennister> hey channel...having a real mounting problems with cifs...not used to it, but smbfs is deprecated, so I might as well get this right
[17:47] <dennister> he first of a series of error messages in dmesg is: CIFS VFS: Error connecting to IPv4 socket. Aborting operation
[17:47] <dennister> followed by: CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -111
[17:47] <dennister> none of my web searches is probing fruitful, and my fstab entry for my samba shares does result in the shares being fully browseable/writable by other machines on the network........anyone got any ideas?
[17:48] <robert36> hello
[17:48] <Slacker> hi
[17:49] <robert36> how can i install programs on kubuntu 8.04
[17:49] <heinkel_112> doh...it seems like kubuntu does not recognize my kubuntu dvd? when installing things with apt-get install it keeps asking me to insert the CD and hit enter, and if I insert the _DVD_ and hit enter it just asks for the same once again
[17:49] <will01> is there an easy way of switching from kde to gnome?
[17:50] <xsacha> install ubuntu-desktop i guess
[17:50] <bitbyte> you have ot change your sources maybe?
[17:50] <heinkel_112> and I discovered that /cdrom points to media/cdrom
[17:50] <xsacha> theres guides on it on google
[17:50] <robert36> iff i go to add or remove software everything is gray
[17:50] <heinkel_112> but my cdrom mounts as media:scd0
[17:51] <will01> xsacha: it gives me the error that it would break packages
[17:51] <Nyad> How do I delete this partition /dev/sdb8 while in kubuntu. I just want it to become unpartitioned space
[17:51] <robert36> can i install firefox on kubuntu 8.04?
[17:52] <afeijo> robert36: yes
[17:52] <wirechief__> Nyad try using gparted
[17:52] <afeijo> thru adept
[17:52] <robert36> can you tell me how?
[17:52] <xsacha> will01: follow a guide on google, says how to do it cleanly
[17:52] <genii> dennister: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/208770
[17:52] <afeijo> do you know how to activate adept?
[17:52] <xsacha> will01: its two lines in terminal i think
[17:52] <will01> ok
[17:52] <ubuntu_> alguien habla español
[17:52] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[17:52] <ubuntu_> gracias
[17:53] <afeijo> !portuguese
[17:53] <afeijo> hehe
[17:53] <afeijo> !greek
[17:53] <afeijo> !french
[17:53] <robert36> afeijo can you tell me how?
[17:53] <genii> dennister: Put noauto in fstab then try mounting after network is up
[17:53] <afeijo> robert36:  in your programs menu, do you have add/remove program?
[17:54] <afeijo> !hindu
[17:54] <robert36> yess
[17:54] <afeijo> !indu
[17:54] <afeijo> lol
[17:54] <BluesKaj> !botabuse
[17:54] <afeijo> robert36: thats it, there you have thounsands of progs! have fun
[17:54] <afeijo> filter for firefox
[17:54] <robert36> but there is everything gray i cant click on it
[17:54] <afeijo> and you can even install other languages there
[17:55] <afeijo> you need sudo password
[17:55] <dennister> ok, checked network settings---> domain name system, and it seems i have no ipv4...only ip6
[17:55] <dennister> genii: i don't have auto in fstab
[17:55] <robert36> were can i find sudo password?
[17:55] <afeijo> who installed that machine?
[17:56] <robert36> myself
[17:56] <afeijo> oh boy
[17:56] <afeijo> you should know that password
[17:56] <xigorx> pass is your
[17:56] <serzh> does anyone hav kde 4.0.4 installed in hardy?
[17:56] <genii> dennister: noauto will make it need manual mounting. auto is implicit if not specified
[17:56] <xigorx> that is that
[17:56] <Nyad> How do I update fstab?
[17:56] <robert36> oke my normal password
[17:56] <serzh> about KDE says it's still 4.03
[17:56] <BluesKaj> robert36, it's your login password
[17:56] <dennister> genii: i can try the noauto in fstab, but isn't the lack of IPv4 more telling and important?
[17:56] <afeijo> probably, hit administrator something on adept
[17:56] <robert36> were i must put this then?
[17:57] <arko> hi
[17:57] <Nyad> How do I update fstab?
[17:57] <arko> why firefox looks so ugly in KDE 4?
[17:57] <genii> dennister: There's no IPvanything yet because it's trying to mount a filesystem on a device which does not exist yet
[17:57] <afeijo> Nyad: editinc /etc/fstab
[17:57] <afeijo> Nyad: use kate
[17:57] <dennister> ah, ok
[17:58] <Nyad> How do I update fstab?
[17:58] <Nyad> woops
[17:58] <afeijo> aiai
[17:58] <Nyad>  I meant automatically, or do I have to do it by hand
[17:58] <afeijo> I do by hand, dont know if exists a app to that, probably
[17:58] <genii> Nyad: The gui mounting tool in KDE is not always reliable but you could try it first before hand-editing.
[17:59] <afeijo> robert36: well, if its all gray, some button has to be avaiable
[17:59] <Nyad> I just used parted to delete a partition and it told me not to forget to update fstab
[17:59] <genii> System Settings... Advanced tab... Disks and Filesystems
[17:59] <genii> ^ Nyad
[18:00] <jasmin_> thanks dhq you dolved my problem
[18:00] <jasmin_> genii: thanks
[18:01] <jasmin_> thanks dhq you solved my problem
[18:01] <robert36> thanks i found something
[18:01] <jo_> is this the place to ask about kde4?
[18:01] <SlimeyPete> !kde4
[18:01] <jo_> thx
[18:02] <xsacha> 4.0.4 is the latest
[18:03] <jasmin_> dhq: thanks a lot for help me
[18:03] <jasmin_> dhq: t
[18:03] <jasmin_> dhq: h
[18:03] <jasmin_> dhq: a
[18:04] <scott25> can someone help me with this error, I get it when I boot a fresh install: run_program :'/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit
[18:04] <jasmin_> dhq: n
[18:04] <jasmin_> dhq: thank
[18:04] <jasmin_> dhq: you
[18:04] <jasmin_> dhq: THANK YOU
[18:05] <xigorx> does somebody have radio in pc on kubuntu 7.10
[18:05] <jasmin_> dhq: thank you thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you  thank you thank you  thank you thank you thank you thank you  thank you  thank you
[18:05] <genii> !helpersnack | dhq
[18:06] <jo__> !kde4
[18:06] <nate_> does anybody know why i can't use chmod to change my permissions of a directory?  It is an ntfs partition i mounted to the root.
[18:06] <xigorx> does somebody have radio in pc on kubuntu 7.10
[18:07] <dennister> genii: i will do the noauto in fstab and reboot soon, just waiting on some ideas from another very helpful person, too
[18:07] <genii> dennister: I'll likely be around :)
[18:08] <dennister> thx...rebooting now
[18:09] <genii> nate_: the permissions of mountpoints of a partition cannot be changed. Also the permisions of an actual partition can only be temporarily changed until next reboot, as the permissions are created each boot by the udev subsystem. You need instead mount options specifying read/write options
[18:09] <xigorx> does somebody have radio in pc on kubuntu 7.10
[18:10] <nate_> genii: sweet....could you help me through this?
[18:15] <sigma_1234> how do i learn how to write qt programs?
[18:16] <genii> nate_: I need to go AFK a few minutes. Perhaps see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[18:17] <nate_> genii:  thx
[18:17] <jasmin_> genii: thank you
[18:19] <robin> hello
[18:20] <robin> is there any one?
[18:20] <JoshOvki> no
[18:20] <JoshOvki> :)
[18:20] <jasmin_> robin: :)
[18:21] <meszaros> hello
[18:21] <heinkel_112> how do I get  a list of loaded kernel modules associated with the nvidia graphics driver?
[18:21] <meszaros> van itt valaki magyar?
[18:22] <JoshOvki> !hu
[18:22] <meszaros> köszi
[18:23] <igor__> can someone help me with with radio in pc
[18:24] <igor__> where can I correct radio=1
[18:24] <genii> igor__: Is it built in to your computer or a separate adapter?
[18:24] <igor__> in pc
[18:24] <igor__> tv card
[18:25] <dennister> genii: ok, the noauto option in fstab, followed by manual mounting in terminal worked fine...although I still don't have any IPv4 entries in network connections-->domain name system
[18:26] <igor__> does someone have tv card on kubuntu 7.10
[18:27] <genii> dennister: ipv4 has nothing to do with anything
[18:27] <dennister> ok, so how do i fix it so these shares do mount automatically at boot?
[18:27] <genii> dennister: The system is doing it's fstab mounting chores before the network adapter has been initialised.
[18:28] <dennister> ahh, ok, so we should change the order?
[18:28] <genii> dennister: N0.
[18:28] <dennister> then what do you suggest?
[18:28] <genii> dennister: Need to add something like a mount line to rc.local
[18:29] <dennister> ok, the same line i used in terminal? that will ensure that the samba shares are mounted late in the process?
[18:29] <genii> dennister: Yes, same line as in terminal
[18:30] <genii> Exactly
[18:30] <igor__> does someone have tv card on kubuntu 7.10
[18:30] <dennister> and comment out the fstab line, or remove them? not needed there if they're in rc.local
[18:31] <genii> igor__: The radio=1 line you need to add is when the module for your card is loaded. So in /etc/modules   you need a line like: em2888 radio=1
[18:31] <genii> if em2888 is the module name
[18:32] <igor__> mybe saa7134
[18:32] <genii> dennister: Leave fstab line and use short mount line in rc.local
[18:32] <igor__> only that?
[18:32] <igor__> what else
[18:32] <genii> igor__: Yes only that
[18:33] <igor__> what about video
[18:33] <igor__> tv
[18:33] <dognews> What is the problem with my 3D configuration? http://dognews.do.funpic.de/3dproglems.png (additional information: google earth crashes, when going into flight simulator mode; I'm running it on hardy)
[18:33] <genii> dennister: Wehn fstab says eg: /dev/somewhere /mountpoint                 you can put only: mount /mountpoint                rc.local
[18:33] <genii> *in rc.local
[18:34] <zan_> hello
[18:34] <wirechief__> dognewes what graphics card ?  driver ?
[18:34] <wirechief__> dognews: what graphics card ? driver ?
[18:35] <genii> igor__: The options for specifying your adapter to use a specific tuner type depends on the module. In  my case I use em288 or so mosule which has option of tuner=XX   where XX is from 00 to 45   but your module may have different options
[18:37] <dognews> wirechief__: ati radeon 9600 (see window KInfoCenter in linked image); fglrx driver (see window KWrite)
[18:37] <dennister> genii: i'm sorry, buti don't understand what you meant by that last line... i opened my /etc/init.d/rc.local file and think the /etc/rc.local file is the one i want to add the terminal mount line
[18:37] <JackWinter> hmm, something has gone wrong with my system.  yesterday i did a full updaaate of my system, and i've lost wine and amarok.  don't know what other systems are missing...
[18:38] <wirechief__> dognews do you see errors in cat /var/logs/Xorg.0.log |grep EE
[18:39] <genii> dennister: By the time the rc.local line is executed, it has already scanned the fstab. So you don't need to remove fstab line, which is an easier place to change mount options than in rc.local. The rc.local will use whatever mount options you had in fstab. So instead of a line like mount -t cifs somename@somewhere /mountpoint     in rc.local     just put mount /mountpoint               in rc.local which then will turn to fstab for the
[18:39] <genii> options to use
[18:40] <wirechief__> dognews egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if anything is relavant
[18:40] <JackWinter> the system in question is a kubuntu 8.04 ;)
[18:41] <heinkel_112> wish me luck...trying to see if the nvidia works..bbl
[18:41] <Armagguedes> hello
[18:41] <dennister> genii: ok, i think i understand that :-) here goes
[18:41] <Armagguedes> is there a Kubuntu KDE4 re-spin with 4.0.4?
[18:41] <Armagguedes> i wanna make a live cd with it (i updated from the betas)
[18:42] <genii> igor__: Some saa7134 module options listed here for you http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_saa7134
[18:42] <wirechief__> Armagguedes: its downloaded with the right options in apt but becommes a seperate desktop
[18:43] <wirechief__> !kde4
[18:44] <ubuntu_> hola
[18:44] <ubuntu_> necesito ayuda
[18:45] <ubuntu_> necesito ayuda
[18:45] <ubuntu_> necesito ayuda
[18:46] <genii> !ve
[18:47] <genii> Hmm no Venezualan factoid
[18:48] <Lardarse> !krusader > Lardarse
[18:48]  * genii hands out more coffees
[18:49] <JackWinter> !es
[18:51] <o0Chris0o> my sound is scratchy, my sound is HDA Intel. I am using alsa any ideas or suggetions?
[18:51] <genii> JackWinter: I would have thought !ve would link to that or !br for Brazil
[18:51] <BonesolTeraDyne> Anyone know if removing "language-support-en" will cause problems? Aptitude wants to remove it when it gets rid of OpenOffice
[18:52] <BluesKaj> BonesolTeraDyne, don't remove it
[18:52] <v6lur> BonesolTeraDyne, language-support-en is a metapackage and can be safely removed
[18:52] <v6lur> BluesKaj, why not?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> cuz of other app dependencies
[18:53] <BonesolTeraDyne> such as?
[18:53] <BluesKaj> can screw up the KB in xorg for example
[18:53] <BonesolTeraDyne> Ah. Then why the HECK are they tying it with OOo? That seems messed up.
[18:54] <BonesolTeraDyne> tieing*
[18:54] <v6lur> yes, and it debends on thunderbird too
[18:54] <v6lur> depends*
[18:55] <BonesolTeraDyne> Grr... I want to get rid of OOo without messing anything up. I want KOffice and only KOffice.
[18:55] <JackWinter> genii: brazil speaks portuguese ;)
[18:55] <genii> o0Chris0o: Perhaps see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=475228 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3674869
[18:55] <o0Chris0o> ty
[18:55] <genii> JackWinter: They likely speak many languages there
[18:55] <JackWinter> genii: true ;)
[18:56] <genii> !br
[18:56] <genii> eg
[18:57] <v6lur> anyway, i still think language-support-en may be removed, and if it really does screw xorg.conf up, then fix that manually :/
[18:57] <BonesolTeraDyne> I'll give it a shot.
[18:57]  * BonesolTeraDyne is thankful he installed irssi on his other machine
[18:58] <richard> i'm running kubuntu 8.04 and would like to set up my 2 hadr drives for dual booting, can anyone direct me to some help
[18:58] <richard> i am running xp on the other drive
[18:58] <JackWinter> genii: oh well they can understand one another especially when written, but they really are different.  most difficult are words that sound the same but really mean completely different things ;)
[18:58] <BonesolTeraDyne> !dualboot
[18:59] <richard> thanks
[19:01] <v6lur> is anyone willing to make .deb from http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Lapsus?content=80642
[19:02] <ubuntu> salut je suis en live CD et j'aimerais installer compiz mais il me dit qu'il ne le trouve pas quand j'essaye de l'installer avec 'desktop effects' il me dit que la package ne peut pas être trouvé
[19:03] <v6lur> !fr
[19:03] <BonesolTeraDyne> Here's aptitude's first resolution. Any opininons? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11283/
[19:03] <ubuntu> sorry :p
[19:04] <dognews> wirechief__: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
[19:06] <dognews> wirechief__: I've pasted the whole output in here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11284/
[19:07] <dennister> genii: ok, my line in rc.local didn't work, and now I can't mount the shares manually, either
[19:08] <v6lur> BonesolTeraDyne: remove, what aptitude suggests to remove
[19:08] <BonesolTeraDyne> doing so now.
[19:09] <genii> dennister: Please pastebin rc.local and fstab then please for examination
[19:09] <dennister> this is totally wierd and a new development: in fstab i mount my shares on /media/samba_share, but when I tried to mount them manually just now, I was told that mount point didn't exist...so i tried to create it, and was told i couldn't because it already existed...talk about contradicting oneself...ok, will do
[19:10] <dennister> !pastebin
[19:11] <dognews> wirechief__: can it be, that my version of fglrx is too old and doesn't support this "texture_from_pixmap" thing?
[19:14] <imaginativeone> how do I make Sunday the first day of the week in korganizer?
[19:14] <connor> #ubuntu
[19:14] <imaginativeone> LOL
[19:14] <imaginativeone> they sent me here...
[19:14] <melkart> imaginativeone: control center, regional settings
[19:14] <melkart> kcontrol, i mean
[19:15] <imaginativeone> how do I get there?
[19:15] <imaginativeone> to the control center, that is...
[19:15] <dognews> melkart: too much kde4, already ;)
[19:15] <melkart> oh sorry
[19:15] <melkart> then i dont know
[19:16] <wimpies> Hi all, Just upgraded to 8.04 and now the resolution of my desktop is 640x480 but the loginmanager shows 1280x1024 which is what it should be.  Where can I change this ?
[19:16] <imaginativeone> /etc/monitor/resolution
[19:17] <imaginativeone> you have to use gedit
[19:17] <dennister> genii: i just did the 3 lines from fstab that are germain, but included entire rc.local here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11285/
[19:17] <dognews> imaginativeone: press alt + f2; type "regio" into search field; klick on "country/..." in results area; klick on "Time and Dates" and set "First day of the week"
[19:17] <connor> #conky
[19:17] <wimpies> imaginativeone : i do not have such file ...
[19:17] <kei-clone> i'm having trouble mounting external devices after upgrading to hardy, like usbs, ipods, and external HDs, can anyone help me out?
[19:17] <connor> #ubuntu
[19:18] <genii> dennister: OK, reading
[19:18] <imaginativeone> dognews: you're awesome
[19:19] <CrunchyFerrett> ls
[19:19] <CrunchyFerrett> ls -a
[19:19] <CrunchyFerrett> DOH wrong window, sorry
[19:20] <BonesolTeraDyne> XD
[19:20] <imaginativeone> how do I make an icon on my desktop for korganizer?
[19:22] <dognews> imaginativeone: right klick on desktop?
[19:23] <Bauldrick> anyone know of gui for tftp
[19:27] <dognews> wirechief__: thanks for your help, so far. I just installed envy ( http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html ) and let it install the driver automatically - hopfully it works after a restart - brb
[19:29] <dennister> genii: u still there? my new stove has just arrived, and the installers need my attention...i will leave this open in case you come up with a new line for my rc.local file, k?
[19:32] <genii> dennister: Here. Writing a script for you
[19:35] <dognews> wirechief__: still the same problem after restart: (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
[19:37] <penguin42> I have a repeatable crash on konqueror on Hardy (64bit, KDE3) at a news.yahoo.com page - can anyone else see if it is repeatable for them ?
[19:38] <genii> dennister: Copy this into a file called mymount and put it in /usr/sbin     chmod +x the file. Also change all the "<usernamehere>" into the correct user name. Then: sudo cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/mymount         open up /etc/init.d/mymount   and change line: NAME=daemonexecutablename   into: NAME=mymount        And remove the line that was added into rc.local
[19:39] <genii> dennister: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11286/   is that file to be called mymount
[19:41] <chosig> FYI: Opening an 8GB file in Kwrite takes time...
[19:41] <penguin42> http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Space-Shuttle-Columbia-Kroll-Ontrack-Inc-space-shuttle-Columbia/ss/events/sc/010605shuttlenasa/s:/ap/20080510/ap_on_hi_te/shuttle_recovered_data/im:/080509/480/7921c28576c34bc49f2848ca732d6e48/;_ylt=ArE3U2S.uEdt2CtEm5KNvBZk24cA#photoViewer=/080509/480/7921c28576c34bc49f2848ca732d6e48  is the page that crashes my konq; load it and click on teh 2nd photo in on the set of 4 thumbnails
[19:41] <penguin42> chosig: I suspect it loads it into RAM
[19:41] <chosig> penguin42: not "all the way", but it wants to parse it before showing ;)
[19:42] <penguin42> chosig: Is it trying to syntax highlight it?
[19:42] <chosig> penguin42: dunno, i'm not a kwrite dev... i just wanted to see what happens :)
[19:43] <penguin42> chosig: fancy trying that URL in konq? It crashes for me when I click on the thumbnail
[19:43] <chosig> penguin42: sure, hang on
[19:44] <chosig> penguin42: got a crash too
[19:44] <penguin42> chosig: OK, I'll file it in launchpad; it can't just be my machine setup - are you 32 or 64bit?
[19:44] <chosig> penguin42: works in FF tho
[19:45] <penguin42> yeh
[19:45] <chosig> penguin42: 64
[19:45] <penguin42> same here
[19:46] <chosig> penguin42: sometimes i really hate that i bought a 64 computer, but then... lots of memory is nice :)
[19:49] <penguin42> chosig: Hey there's nothing from stopping you running 32bit on your 64bit machine
[19:50] <chosig> penguin42: yeah, but it's against priciples to do that... like just using 4 cylinders in your V8 engine... ;P
[19:51] <penguin42> hehe yes, me as well
[19:51] <penguin42> I don't suppose you've managed to get flash stable in FF have you? I've switched to konq because I can't get it even vaguely reliable in ff - gutsy used to be reasonably solid on it
[19:52] <penguin42> ok, that konq crash is #229067
[19:53] <Signil> Hi what do you guyz use to crop videos?
[19:53] <chosig> penguin42: my runs like a charm... stable and all, but ndiswrapper is making it a tad on the slow side (and cpu hungry)
[19:54] <penguin42> chosig: Interesting; flash in ff crashes randomly and then never comes back until I restart ff; in Konq it mostly works but occasionally crashes and I have to kill off the ndiswrapper
[19:55] <v6lur> Signil, define crop
[19:55] <chosig> penguin42: try to move your .mozilla folder, and restart FF... thataway you get a fresh "unpolluted" FF with just flash (and perhaps java) in it...
[19:55] <v6lur> cut some portion off the top/bottom/left/right border?
[19:55] <v6lur> generally edit?
[19:55] <montrealis> which i smore stable: ubuntu or kubuntu
[19:56] <penguin42> chosig: Yeh I might
[19:56] <penguin42> montrealis: Each have their own bugs; but in each you can run programs from the other
[19:56]  * chosig goes movie watching
[19:56] <penguin42> montrealis: So I'm running ubuntu but I'm running konqueror and ksirc
[19:57] <montrealis> kool
[19:57] <osiris> anyone else having problems with audio in flash /
[19:58] <penguin42> osiris: Are you on 32 or 64?
[19:58] <montrealis> is quanta stable in ubuntu?
[19:58] <osiris> montrealis, on my haredware i better luck with kubuntu
[19:58] <osiris> penguin42, 32
[19:58] <montrealis> oh ya? becuase of KDE?
[19:58] <penguin42> osiris: Have you got the libflashsupport package installed?
[19:58] <montrealis> should i go to KDE 4 or with KDE 3
[19:58] <osiris> i installed all the flash related packages already
[19:59] <heinkel_111> is compizconfig-settings-manager a package installed by default in kubuntu 8.04 hardu heron, or is this a relict from my previous gutsy installation? (i use the KDE3 version)
[19:59] <montrealis> osiris - Should they both work the same way?
[19:59] <penguin42> osiris: Ah hohum; the libflashsupport is a pulseaudio thing for it - there is a howto on the pulseaudio page I think
[20:00] <dennister> genii:  with your script, to be called mymount, I'm entering my username...shouldn't the username be inside the quotes, or like "uid=name"?
[20:01] <bin4ry> how together
[20:02] <bin4ry> i need to create a video dvd from divx. Tried tools like devede kmediafactory, qdvdauthor and none of em like divx as source
[20:05] <montrealis> should i go to KDE 4 or with KDE 3?
[20:05] <bin4ry> montrealis: keep kde3
[20:06] <bin4ry> kde 4 is for developer and tester only. There are major bugs in it, yet.
[20:06] <montrealis> ok more stable?
[20:06] <montrealis> i see
[20:06] <montrealis> thanks
[20:06] <o0Chris0o> is there a java addon for firefox?
[20:06] <genii> dennister: No, outside the quotes. The command inside the quotes gets executed as the username which is outside the quotes
[20:07] <dennister> and keep the '<>' around the name, or remove those marks
[20:07] <heinkel_111> what is the name of the kde windows decorator...i jsut crashed it and need to restart it
[20:07] <dennister> i took them out, but I can put them back
[20:08] <aaroncampbell> I used a command like this to sync a couple dirs on my system: "rsync --progress -av test testing/"  It seems to be working, but I was worried because it's continually saying stuff like: "(xfer#7500, to-check=8088/16823)" and I don't remember it doing that before.   Is the to-check part of the --progress switch, or is it a warning?
[20:08] <genii> dennister: to list /home/myname as user myname :     su -c "ls ~/" myname
[20:08] <genii> Same principle applies
[20:09] <dennister> k, do understand that, but do i leave the <> marks around my username in mymount? i take it no?
[20:10] <NickPresta> dennister, no
[20:13]  * penguin42 goes
[20:13] <dennister> genii: all done following your directions, will not reboot
[20:14] <NickPresta> Did he just reboot after `mount`ing something?
[20:14] <genii> Beats me :)
[20:14] <NickPresta> hehe
[20:16] <genii> NickPresta: Actually I just gave her an init.d method to do some cifs mounts, it will call a script in /usr/sbin which will execute the mounting as her username, thats what she was asking me particulars of syntax-wise
[20:17] <NickPresta> genii, ah. :)
[20:27] <dognews> re
[20:28] <dognews> flightgear startet grad
[20:28] <dognews> keine Veränderung :(
[20:28] <o0Chris0o> anyone know how I can get magic jack to work for linux?
[20:29] <jdavies> !de | dognews
[20:30] <dognews> jdavies: oh, sorry, wrong channel - thanks ;)
[20:31] <hawkeyex> hello
[20:31] <hawkeyex> does anyone know how to fix /dev/dvd so it mounts properly - it says it can't mount
[20:35] <hawkeyex> anyone awake?
[20:41]  * Rum-n-Coke is away: Gone away for now.
[20:41] <dwidmann_laptop> hawkeyex: that's a bit vague, can you give more detail?
[20:48] <Walzmyn> My video camera is plugged in via USB but is not showing up in the media folder, where do I find it?
[20:49] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: if you do "dmesg | tail" right after plugging it in, it might give you a clue of what is being done with it/what device it's being assigned to/etc
[20:50] <Walzmyn> dwidmann_laptop, hvae to be right after plugging in?
[20:51] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: well, so long as nothing else is written to dmesg before you do dmesg | tail, no, but if you do it right away you'll be assured of seeing what you want.
[20:51] <lukas_> je tu niekto kto rozumie co pisem?
[20:52] <Walzmyn> I'm not finding anything there that's helping me, what is dmesg?
[20:52] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: a system log file
[20:52] <Walzmyn> k
[20:53] <Walzmyn> what is addrconf?
[20:53] <dwidmann_laptop> I don't know, but that doesn't sound like it would have anything to do with your device
[20:54] <dwidmann_laptop> /msg Walzmyn
[20:54] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.143981] usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.278072] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.281270] scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.281457] usb-storage: device found at 3
[20:55] <Walzmyn> it's telling me the addrconf link is not ready, was why i asked
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90355.281459] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.277142] usb-storage: device scan complete
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.277939] scsi 6:0:0:0: Direct-Access     ST340063 3AS                   PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.285539] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 781422768 512-byte hardware sectors (400088 MB)
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.286292] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.286296] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 38 00 00
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.286298] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.287405] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 781422768 512-byte hardware sectors (400088 MB)
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.288163] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.288166] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 38 00 00
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.288168] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.288171]  sdb: sdb1
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.307871] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> [90360.307907] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[20:55] <dwidmann_laptop> piece of crap :(
[20:56] <dwidmann_laptop> one sec, I'll see what google has to say about that.
[20:56] <BluesKaj> dwidmann_laptop, what are you doing ?
[20:56] <Walzmyn> dwidmann_laptop, what are you doing
[20:56] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:56] <Walzmyn> I think he got a key stuck
[20:57] <Walzmyn> I've got nothing in dmsg that mentions USB is there a way to make sure my USB is enabled?
[20:58] <dwidmann_laptop> Walzmyn: if you have it it's probably enabled, unless it's disabled in your BIOS
[20:58] <dennister> genii: ok, we're getting there...but I still have to manually mount my shares after reboot, as su, give that password, then am asked for my samba password...then all three shares mount from the one terminal mounting command
[20:59] <zetheroo> what new plugins are available for Gwenview?
[20:59] <zetheroo> the kipi-plugins package no longer works
[21:00] <dennister> i tried, in system services, to get mymount to start at bootime, but starting or restarting it from there failed...now it shows that it is set to start at boot, but isn't running at the moment (not right after boot, or after manual mounting of shares)
[21:00] <dwidmann_laptop> It doesn't??? Ouch, that sucks.... does kipi-plugins still work in digikam zetheroo?
[21:00] <zetheroo> dwidmann_laptop: I don't know
[21:01] <zetheroo> dwidmann_laptop: I am using Gwenview in Ubuntu ... and with the older version the kipi-plugins worked fine
[21:01] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: hmm, have you filed a bug report yet?
[21:01] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: http://bugs.launchpad.net
[21:01] <zetheroo> I never have
[21:01] <zetheroo> don't knwo how to
[21:02] <zetheroo> dunno if its even a bug
[21:02] <zetheroo> maybe its not meant to work
[21:02] <zetheroo> !?
[21:02] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: if things aren't working the way they're intended to, then it's a bug.
[21:02] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: heck, if it's not working the way you WANT it to, you could file a bug report ... though that usually falls under wishlist, but if it isn't functional at all then that's definitely a bug.
[21:03] <zetheroo> maybe the kipi-plugins are only for the older version of Gwenview!?
[21:03] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: That's not likely.
[21:03] <genii> dennister: I think when it asks for password at mount time and no user can input it, it skips over. So add as options in the /user/sbin/mymount user=myname,password=mypassword to the lines
[21:04] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: click the link, create your account, and file a bug against the "kipi-plugins" package in the "ubuntu" project.
[21:04] <dennister> k, thought of that as a solution...but really, this is in my credentials fle in fstab (/etc/samba/user)
[21:05] <earthsound> i upgraded kubuntu from 7 to 8.04 & now flash isn't working inside firefox :(
[21:05] <zetheroo> dwidmann_laptop: it will be my first.... what the heck..... but I would rather that someone here knew about it ... sigh
[21:05] <_crash_> !rt61
[21:05] <_crash_> !ralink
[21:06] <earthsound> i tried taking the official adobe .rpm for 9.0.124 & used alien to convert it to a .deb & then installed it...& although the plugin is in firefox's plugins directory, it's not working (or showing up in about:plugins)
[21:06] <dwidmann_laptop> zetheroo: I'd check things out myself, except, my laptop's package cache is way out of date and I don't want to do a massive download right now ... my desktop is out of commission, think the motherboard went bad/was bad to begin with.
[21:07] <_crash_> dwidman!
[21:07] <dwidmann_laptop> hey _crash_
[21:07] <_crash_> Fix it!
[21:07] <zetheroo> dwidmann_laptop: no worries... sorry for your troubles
[21:07] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: fix what?
 I've been chasing down leads and fixes and whatnot ever since I installed 8.04 on my thinkpad
[21:08] <Kiry> I still can NOT get the sound to work
[21:08] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: I intend to get to the bottom of my desktop's troubles tomorrow, via warranty work or RMA ...
[21:08] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: Whats going on with it?
[21:08] <araizen> when I insert my USB disk it auto-mounts it, but with the owner as root so I can't write to it. Is there a way to fix that so that I automatically have write access when I insert it?
[21:08] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: it hard reboots once every few minutes.
[21:09] <_crash_> OS?
[21:09] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: os independent
[21:10] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: checked the obvious stuff? (heating, loose connections, overclock settings, ram timing, etc?)
[21:11] <zetheroo> dwidmann_laptop: I went to the KDE4 Kipi site and it looks like I need to try installing libkipi instead of kipi-plugins ... so I am giving that a shot
[21:11] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: Do you know anything about rt61 drivers?
[21:11] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: it was happening at random, but far less often, once every day or two, then I added in 2 gig of RAM (passes memtest fine how it doens't crash when I'm running memtest is beyond me ...which leads me to my next idea), I also added a second hard drive nad DVD drive. ...... Maybe the SATA controller is bad.  Processor isn't melting down or anything though it's not as coolas I'd like _crash_, and I'm not overclocking
[21:11] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: never heard of 'em, but maybe google will tell me
[21:13] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: Well, when all else fails, pull the new hardware and then add it piece by piece until it fails
[21:15] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: I think I'll test the drives in my old setup to see if they're the point of failure, but I'm doubting it, though they would be cheaper to replace if this comes down to having to come out of my pocket .... power supply I'd also love to swap for testing but I don't have a second one with the 8-pin plug for the motherboard :(
[21:17] <posingaspopular> !grub
[21:17] <andresj> does kubuntu hardy kde4 use pulseaudio as phonon backend? or alsa directly?
[21:17] <_crash_> dwidmann_laptop: good idea, but consider that there may be nothing wrong with the drive OR the sata controller. There could just be a bug in the communication with your specific hardware.
[21:17] <_crash_> Happens all the time
[21:18] <jussi01> andresj: alsa directly iirc, but for more kde4 support go to #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[21:18] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: possible
[21:18] <dwidmann_laptop> _crash_: either way it's likely to take a lot of time for me to figure out during which I'll be without my desktop computer :(
[21:19] <andresj> jussi01: k thanks :D
[21:19] <_crash_> true
[21:19] <_crash_> goin afk a minute
[21:21] <bourdain> derp derp
[21:22] <dennister> genii: it's still not working; i still have to manually mount one (get 3 shares mounted for price of 1 command) and I'm still being asked for my samba password
[21:23] <genii> bah
[21:24] <dennister> however, my back is killing me and I'm going to have to lie down for a couple of hours to rest it...its funny, i was able yesterday to see this pc and the others, and fully use the samba shares on this pc, even with the dmesg errors......just not in reverse
[21:25] <dennister> oops...i should say i was able to see/use this pc and its shares FROM the other pc's...just not from this one
[21:26] <jussi01> does anyone know how to add a table of contents in open office? ie. one that takes the headings automatically?
[21:26] <dennister> genii: be around in 2-3 hours?
[21:26] <genii> dennister: Probably
[21:27] <dennister> ok, i'll take another stab at this then...thank you
[21:27] <v6lur> i'm trying to install official last.fm client, but it demands libgpod2 (hardy has libgpod3). any possible diversions/tricks/dark magik?
[21:27] <jussi01> v6lur: use the amarok plugin?
[21:28] <v6lur> i need it for testing purposes :)
[21:31] <dmbkiwi> hey, just installed hardy, and got a couple of issues.
[21:31] <dmbkiwi> first is that if I manually configure my ethernet interface through knetworkmanager, the network shows that there is no active device.  Flip back to dhcp, and all is good.  Problem is I want a fixed address on this machine.
[21:34] <humbolto> kde4 has it's own compositing manager I heard. How do I disable compiz. It seems to be automatically started!
[21:36] <maduser> kwin --replace
[21:36] <trident523> k for the win.
[21:37] <maduser> humbolto: thats for you ^
[21:37] <wimpies> HI all, the screen resolution of my desktop is lower than that of the login manager.  I can change the resolution using krandtray but when I logout the resolution reverts back to a low resolution.  How can I persist that change ?
[21:37] <humbolto> tnx, however, do you guys know, where I find the setting to prevent compiz from starting automatically the next time>
[21:38] <humbolto> The weird thing is, that I don't even have compiz start automatically in gnome! But it does in kde4.
[21:39] <humbolto> Why is KDE so fast and damn Gnome so freaking slow?!
[21:39] <jussi01> !fixres | wimpies
[21:40] <humbolto> The worst thing in gnome is nautilus. Not even Windows Explorer is so slow!
[21:43] <TheGentleman> Recently upgraded to Kubuntu Hardy, I never tried Compiz before. Now I'm curious about it and I would like to give compiz a try.
[21:43] <TheGentleman> My concern is the following:
[21:44] <TheGentleman> should I don't like it, can I restore my system to previous without risks and not loosing anything in performance?
[21:46] <TheGentleman> in other words... is uninstalling Compiz as smooth, fool and failproof as it should be installing it?
[21:46] <harolddong> can I ask about flash stuff here?
[21:46] <BonesolTeraDyne> !ask | harolddong
[21:46] <TheGentleman> braulio:  valtellinese?
[21:48] <braulio> Sorry, I'm speak portuguese.
[21:48] <TheGentleman> oh, ok.... sorry....
[21:48] <braulio> Thanks.
[21:48] <jontec> is there any way that I can download files from apt-get for my other computer??
[21:49] <TheGentleman> wget?
[21:49] <jontec> TheGentleman: how would I know which urls to use?
[21:50] <harolddong> when I first upgraded to hardy flash played much than they ever had before on gutsy.  But since then the performance has degraded and I can't figure out what changed.  lower res vids play fine but higher res vids are just a slideshow now... even worse than they were on gutsy.  Is this something that's coming up for other people?
[21:50] <TheGentleman> you shall only know in which repository is the file you want, i guess
[21:52] <zetheroo> ok here is my bug:  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161925
[22:02] <kkerwin> Hi. Tried running a java application, but got this error from the console. Help, please? http://pastebin.com/m6f2de5fb
[22:05] <nielsslot> kkerwin: you'll probably want sun java instead of stablevm
[22:05] <kkerwin> nielsslot: Cool. What's the name of that package?
[22:06] <stdin> sun-java6-jre for the runtime
[22:06] <_crash_> The Belkin f5d9010 Wireless G with Mimo (no h/w rev) with the rt2600 chipset works out of the box with Kubuntu 8.04 if anyone cares
[22:09] <kkerwin> Hmm. sun-java6-jre appears to be installed. I wonder how come it's using stablevm instead?
[22:12] <axel> hola
[22:12] <Mimi> hello
[22:13] <axel> de donde sos
[22:13] <Mimi> mmm...
[22:13] <Mimi> !es |  does that help? ^_^;;
[22:13] <Mimi> no hablo mucho espanol ;p
[22:14] <josivan> free ubuntu
[22:15] <wimpies> hi all, Xawtv shows no image and no sound but KDETV does.  AFAIK the -debug2 option on xawtv does not show any error (perhaps the XVideo : video off message).  Suggestions ?
[22:18] <scarygary> Evening..
[22:20] <scarygary> I can't get password-less logins to work with kdm-kde4.
[22:20] <scarygary> I made all the changes to kdmrc, but no go.
[22:21] <genii> in /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc ?
[22:22] <scarygary> genii: yes
[22:23] <stdin> kdm-kde4 uses /etc/kde4/kdm/
[22:23] <scarygary> Really?? How come they left /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4/kdm/ in there then?
[22:23] <stdin> well, it should use it, not sure what it does use now
[22:24] <stdin> grep "KDMRC" /etc/init.d/kdm-kde4
[22:24] <stdin> whatever that says
[22:25] <kgx> !java
[22:25] <scarygary> It's using the one in /usr/lib
[22:25] <scarygary> I'm not on 4.0.4 btw.
[22:26] <scarygary> This is 4.0.3
[22:28] <scarygary> AllowNullPasswd=true, NoPassEnable=true and NoPassUsers=junior is in my kdmrc
[22:34] <scarygary> O
[22:35] <scarygary> I'm upgrading to 4.0.4. If it still doesn't work i'm crying wolf.
[22:35] <scarygary> Major regression..
[22:35] <scarygary> bbiaf
[22:42] <darkwolf> was somebody crying for me?
[22:44] <scarygary> Not working in 4.0.4 either. Plus the login background is fubar.
[22:44] <scarygary> This is a brand new install..
[22:45] <scarygary> I cant be the only one with that problem.
[22:52] <carl> hello
[22:52] <Josh0vki> !hello
[22:53] <carl> i have a strange problem
[22:53] <kgx> !dolphin
[22:53] <Josh0vki> carl: whats your problem?
[22:54] <BonesolTeraDyne> Someone needs to update that "dolphin" trigger
[22:54] <carl> if i use my sound card (which works !), when i'll shutdown my computer, it won't turn off !
[22:55] <scott25> can someone help me with this error "run_program :'/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit" (i get it when i boot)
[22:55] <Josh0vki> carl: your computer wont shutoff?
[22:56] <carl> yes, the hard disk makes the "shutoff sound" and my keyboard leds do the "shutoff blink" but i get stucked on the empty bar upslash screen
[22:57] <carl> i've found that if i run "sudo alsa unload" before shutting down (and after using my soundcard), it will shut off
[22:57] <carl> it's a dirty workaround, and i'd like to find a resolution to the problem
[22:58] <Josh0vki> odd error
[22:59] <holyguyver_> Hey guys, it is me the 1998 Gateway guy. I just bought a HP Pavilion Slimline s3120n PC, how well will Linux play with that?
[22:59] <carl> yes it is, ho i have this bug for gutsy and hardy
[23:00] <scott25> can someone help me with this error "run_program :'/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit" (i get it when i boot)
[23:01] <Josh0vki> carl: its not a perfect solution but as a work around you could add   alsa unload   into the shutdown script
[23:02] <carl> Josh0vki: i think i'll try this, cuold rou remind me where is that file (i'm still a beginner)
[23:03] <Josh0vki> carl: two seconds i will find it
[23:03] <Josh0vki> carl: /etc/rc0.d   not 100 sure if it will work tho
[23:04] <Josh0vki> carl: whats the make / model of your computer?
[23:05] <Josh0vki> or sound card
[23:06] <carl> Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:2668]
[23:07] <carl> it's in a dfi motherboard
[23:11] <Josh0vki> carl: there are a few bug reports for this thing, but not solutions
[23:12] <carl> so the rc0 scrip may be the best solution
[23:14] <Josh0vki> yeh, create a file in /etc/rc0.d   and put  #!/bin/sh       unload alsa        and then save the file, you must remember to chmod it twith      sudo chmod a+x /etc/rc0.d/filename
[23:15] <carl> i'm getting better everyday ! that's exactly what i've done
[23:15] <raket> hey people, I installed another keyboard layout, and I picked a key combination so I can change it whenever I need it... but Alt-Shift in this case doesn't work. as in, it won't change the languages
[23:16] <raket> any ideas what could be the deal?
[23:17] <carl> i test that now, i'm coming back for the results
[23:17] <Josh0vki> kk :)
[23:17] <Josh0vki> goodluck
[23:18] <raket> thanks carl
[23:23] <raket> one more thing
[23:24] <raket> is Deluge having problems in Kubuntu? when I try to start it, it says "loading" in the taskbar, but after a little bit it disappears... what gives!?
[23:26] <wimpies>  anybody here that can help me with xawtv ??
[23:29] <HashCasper> ubuntu did no help it is big and too faster
[23:29] <HashCasper> i have need of two files
[23:29] <HashCasper> can help mefind it?
[23:30] <HashCasper> i rquire kernel+ramdisk file of netinst installer, so i can boot them through grub
[23:30] <HashCasper> that way i can start a very small netinst of kubuntu
[23:30] <HashCasper> it will download full installer + base system
[23:31] <HashCasper> can you help me find the files for this install type
[23:31] <HashCasper> this channel small
[23:31] <HashCasper> i can read it not fast like ubuntu
[23:31] <HashCasper> thank you
[23:32] <carl> i'm back...and it didn't work, maybe a problem with the script ?
[23:32] <raket> is that for me, carl?
[23:32] <carl> i don't think so (my sound card not shutting off problem)
[23:46] <PovAddict> I need help installing Flash
[23:46] <PovAddict> and #ubuntu is a mess
[23:46] <PovAddict> I installed mozilla-plugin-gnash and it gave this error:
[23:47] <PovAddict> update-alternatives: unable to make /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin: No such file or directory
[23:48] <bleaked> PovAddict: doesn't flash just install the first time you go to a site that uses it?
[23:48] <PovAddict> you mean the official adobe plugin?
[23:48] <PovAddict> I'm on 64-bit
[23:49] <PovAddict> so no
[23:49] <david__> remote contact est.
[23:49] <bleaked> PovAddict: not sure about that.. does installing flashplugin-nonfree help?
[23:49] <david__> weasels, hooooo!
[23:49] <PovAddict> bleaked: there is no nonfree for 64-bit
[23:50] <PovAddict> in fact I can't even find "flashplugin-nonfree" in the repos (apt-cache search flash doesn't show it)
[23:50] <bleaked> argh.. my bad..well, not sure then.. (personally i'm waiting a few years to adopt 64 bit for reasons like these)
[23:50] <david__> I swear to a God, got this cool friggin' super serve, gettin' tired of the master slam!
[23:50] <david__> Watch it pull...
[23:50] <david__> |80<<53
[23:50] <bleaked> PovAddict: well, you have to have the medibuntu repo enabled..(or it might be in universe or multiverse as well..not sure though)
[23:51] <PovAddict> I don't have multiverse enabled
[23:51] <PovAddict> anyway I'd need a 32-bit browser to use adobe's plugin
[23:51] <PovAddict> along with a shitload of 32-bit libraries for said browser to run
[23:52] <PovAddict> too much effort, and I don't even need Flash, I just want my mom to stop complaining about some websites not working (she complained enough about me putting Linux in here...)
[23:52] <bleaked> PovAddict: yea, honestly, 64-bit is really not tailored for the desktop at this point.. it's best used on servers
[23:53] <PovAddict> my "desktop" is permanently at 100% CPU
[23:53] <bleaked> have you searched the forums?
[23:53] <PovAddict> $ uptime
[23:53] <PovAddict>  19:53:20 up 17:39,  2 users,  load average: 2.17, 2.23, 2.20
[23:53] <iceolate> any idea why i can use torrent and irc clients but not web browsing and package manager installs?
[23:54] <PovAddict> and I do have stuff that actually goes 3x faster on 64-bit
[23:54] <PovAddict> anyway any idea why Gnash doesn't install?
[23:54] <PovAddict> it's one of the few times I have had a package actually fail to install
[23:55] <PovAddict> kinda impressive how quiet this channel is compared to #ubuntu mess
[23:55] <carl> maybe there are less problems with kde ? (oops)
[23:56] <PovAddict> carl++
[23:56] <carl> and i finally succeeded with my sound card workaround
[23:56] <PovAddict> maybe most noobs go with the default: gnome
[23:56] <SlimeyPete> considerably fewer users than Ubuntu, I imagine ;)
[23:57] <heroicwisdom> Hi, can somebody help me with installing ralink drivers on my PC?
[23:58] <heroicwisdom> its a wireless driver


[03:00] <xevious> I'm trying to build an Ubuntu 16.04 live ISO with live-build and when I boot it, it says "/casper/vmlinuz: file not found". I checked and that file doesn't exist, but there is vmlinuz-4.4.0-59. Is there something I'm missing to make live-build either copy/link to vmlinuz or write out the bootloader configuration to point to the versioned file name?
[03:01] <xevious> The same thing happened with a completely default build (`lb config && lb build` in an empty directory), which turned out to be 12.04.
[03:02] <xevious> Also, the same error occurred when I changed the PROJECT to ubuntu-base.
[03:02] <xevious> I followed this post: http://swem.logdown.com/posts/763254
[09:16] <davmor2> dmj_s76: No but I'll have a word with cyphermox and the desktopers today about it.
[11:02] <davmor2> cyphermox: ubiquity isn't starting the installer session on the daily image it is starting desktop instead :(
[13:37] <cyphermox> davmor2: ok I'll have a look
[18:14] <xevious> cjwatson: I remember you said this isn't your focus any more, but do you have any tips about the issue I'm having with live-build not correctly naming the kernel and initramfs files compared to the isolinux configuration? (It's last thing I said in the channel about 15 hours ago.) Or, is there someone else with more current experience with all this I should talk to?
[18:27] <cjwatson> afraid I don't.  cyphermox might know
[18:39] <xevious> Thanks.
[18:41] <xevious> cyphermox: If you have a moment, could you read over the problem that I described about 15 hours ago?
[19:00] <cyphermox> I don't know, I suppose it should more or less work, but the process for building CDs isn't just live-build, it also involves debian-cd and other code; maybe there's something missing from there.
[19:17] <xevious> cyphermox: Is the process used to make the official Ubuntu ISOs documented somewhere I can look it over?
[19:30] <dmj_s76> xevious: cyphermox may have better information, but this actually came up in conversation with one of the elementary guys yesterday.  They collected a lot of this info into a document a while back...
[19:30] <dmj_s76> xevious: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RPPF14h1Sw2gQjGTuZjUIlNHnGrafS8ekhFjJM9MT00/edit
[19:31] <xevious> dmj_s76: That's a great write up. Thanks for the link.
[19:32] <dmj_s76> glad to help :)
[19:32] <cyphermox> we're way past that point though
[19:35] <dmj_s76> well, like I said, might not quite the right thing
[19:36] <dmj_s76> cyphermox: What is actually handling the top panel bar/indicators during install/oem-firstboot?
[19:37] <cyphermox> ubiquity
[19:41] <cyphermox> fixing the top panel on HiDPI is my next task, followed by probably trying to run a live-build to see what's up... it's a little late today to start something very complicated.
[19:41] <dmj_s76> okay, thanks!
[19:42] <dmj_s76> That will be a major improvement for us!
[19:42] <cyphermox> if you have an idea what to do about it, though, feel free to hack at it
[19:42] <cyphermox> I have an idea how to fix it, but no clue if it's doable.
[19:42] <dmj_s76> was just starting to look at it, but don't really have a firm idea yet and need lunch now, so hack away!
[19:44] <cyphermox> ahah, it's going to be easy to fix
[19:44] <cyphermox> let's see
[19:45] <cyphermox> well, it's not going the fix the oversize, but at least it will fix that unsightly doubling easily.
[19:47] <xevious> cyphermox: On an Ubuntu 16.04 system, should running `lb config && lb build` produce a bootable default image of some sort? Or, are more steps needed?
[19:48] <cyphermox> you need to specify what release you want, otherwise it might blow up because it can't find whatever release that defaults to
[19:48] <cyphermox> possibly other things -- I rarely run that at all
[19:48] <xevious> It defaults to precise.
[19:49] <cyphermox> usually I try to wing it, pass the release first, then try to see what's missing from how far I'd get
[19:49] <cyphermox> (because when I run this I usually also need to run something special to hack at it)
[19:49] <cyphermox> so my guess is what you mentioned earlier, the release and flavor, would be sufficient to make it work
[19:50] <cyphermox> flavor = PROJECT
[19:50] <cyphermox> you can also look at lp:ubuntu-cdimage, some of the important variables are set there.
[20:00] <xevious> cyphermox: Here's my current build script, if you're curious: http://sprunge.us/fAUL
[20:01] <xevious> It seems to install a capser-oriented isolinux config even if I choose a non-casper based PROJECT.
[20:02] <xevious> The kernel copying is to account for the paths that the isolinux config expects.
[20:02] <xevious> Forcing gzip is because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/+bug/1555980
[20:11] <cyphermox> the copying appears to be (at quick glance) to be what you want, since that's done by debian-cd later
[20:12] <xevious> There's an issue in there, since the glob matches both vmlinuz files, cp wants the destination to be a directory.
[20:13] <xevious> dmj_s76: The document referenced as "Community effort to document it" at the end of that write-up doesn't exist any more. Any idea where that went? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c350g2o7ytnM_sloSprJnkTuUrSocAD4QwUsXYj1GYk/edit
[20:18] <xevious> cyphermox: Does debian-cd copy or move the files?
[20:23] <cyphermox> move, afaict
[20:31] <cyphermox> sorry, I don't know what's wrong
[20:31] <cyphermox> maybe try to set INITRAMFS to "live-boot" instead of "casper" ?
[20:31] <cyphermox> but it seems to me like there's some other setting missing
[20:35] <cyphermox> xevious: try this: lb config noauto --mode ubuntu --distribution zesty --bootstrap-keyring ubuntu-keyring --binary-images none --memtest none --source false --build-with-chroot false --parent-archive-areas main --apt-source-archives false --linux-flavours none --initsystem none --bootloader none --initramfs-compression lzma --linux-packages=none --initramfs=none
[20:35] <cyphermox> then lb build, see how far that gets you
[20:36] <xevious> Kicking it off now.
[20:37] <xevious> Do you mind if I do xenial instead of zesty?
[20:37] <cyphermox> no, should be the same thing
[20:38] <cyphermox> that's just because of where I got the info; basically, from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/zesty/ubuntu-server/+build/87550; which I got from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-server/zesty/
[20:44] <xevious> I sure wish I had an all NVMe system to do these builds on.
[20:48] <xevious> cyphermox: I'm still waiting for my last build to finish before I start the one you asked me to try.
[20:49] <xevious> I'm trying to change as few things as possible, so I'm still doing the whole ubuntu project which is, of course, the largest possible one.
[20:50] <xevious> My plan of action is: 1) get it to boot, 2) switch to a project that's got a minimal package set, 3) if casper's still around, figure out how to eliminate it
[20:50] <xevious> Once I've done all that, I can actually start working on what I need to do. :)
[21:16] <cyphermox> well, ubuntu isn't the largest tbh
[21:16] <cyphermox> and I think you should from the start figure out why casper is there, because that changes things completely, the image isn't built the same in that case
[21:22] <xevious> Ok. I'll do that.
[21:22] <xevious> Also, your build completed.
[21:23] <xevious> As per the config options, no binary image was created.
[21:26] <xevious> So, my latest build boots and appears to work fine: Firefox started and can access the Internet.
[21:26] <xevious> That's with this build script: http://sprunge.us/FIaX
[21:27] <xevious> I'll look into eliminating casper now, since obviously my kernel moving script references casper-related paths.
[21:29] <cyphermox> wait, wat?
[21:30] <cyphermox> do you want server or do you want firefox?
[21:30] <xevious> I want a super-minimal environment eventually. That was just how I tested the image that was built with that script.
[21:31] <xevious> I'd like to create as minimal an environment as possible that'll run a single full-screen application.
[21:31] <cyphermox> also, of course a binary was built with the command I gave you, you have exactly what ubuntu-server returns for the official builds, or at least as close as you're likely to get
[21:31] <cyphermox> also, casper is actually useful if what you want is to start graphics, it will get you to the live session correctly.
[21:32] <dmj_s76> cyphermox: Is the a11y icon making it oversized or the other way around?
[21:33] <cyphermox> dmj_s76: I think the accessiblity icon is just bigger in that case because there is more room to use.
[21:33] <cyphermox> dmj_s76: I uploaded a build of ubiquity to my ppa a few mintues ago
[21:34] <xevious> cyphermox: I'm going to address your first point first: I didn't get an ISO from your command. Should I have? The `lb config` included `--binary-images none`. Here's the directory's contents after running `lb build`: http://sprunge.us/VdTR
[21:34] <cyphermox> dmj_s76: https://launchpad.net/%7Ecyphermox/+archive/ubuntu/installer-dev/+sourcepub/7398093/+listing-archive-extra
[21:34] <cyphermox> xevious: you should only have had a boot directory with a filesystem squashfs and kernel/initramfs
[21:35] <cyphermox> xevious: server doesn't do casper, and only uses that and a d-i in the initramfs.
[21:35] <xevious> I see.
[21:35] <xevious> Ah, yes I do have the squashfs there.
[21:37] <xevious> No kernel/initramfs
[21:37] <xevious> Should they be in binary? http://sprunge.us/KCbb
[21:38] <xevious> Or is that due to `--linux-flavours none` being passed to `lb config`?
[21:38] <xevious> Or `--linux-packages=none`?
[21:40] <cyphermox> my mistake, just the squashfs
[21:41] <cyphermox> you know, there are tools in the archive which allow you to remaster an existing image, it would probably be easier to use that than trying to replicate the full processes we use from scratch
[21:46] <xevious> I need something that I can automate, is as minimal as possible, and only runs a single application full-screen. Is there something that can accomplish that that's easier than adding a couple package lists to a live-build configuration?
[21:47] <xevious> Or, rather, a package list referencing several packages.
[21:49] <cyphermox> doesn't seem to me like what you're doing is that much easier. The real question seems to me to be, are you really going to be running it that often than the time spent figuring it out to automate it outweights the effort of tweaking a prebuilt image once in a while?
[21:49] <cyphermox> but ymmv
[21:50] <xevious> Yes. Automated dailies + additional manual runs.
[21:50] <cyphermox> in any case, if you want to rip out casper you'll need new scripts to start up graphics in the livefs, so it might not be a good plan to remove it if you don't absolutely need to
[21:50] <xevious> Yeah it sounds like I should leave casper and just focus on changing what X runs.
[21:51] <cyphermox> doing that is trivial
[21:51] <xevious> I have something that boots to X. Now I just need to minimize it.
[21:51] <cyphermox> start with a minimal image like lubuntu or xubuntu, then you can use a hook (look in the hook directory) to put in the right file to autostart the app you want
[21:52] <cyphermox> (and install the app, of course)
[21:55] <xevious> The goal is to eliminate the existing desktop environment and replace it with X + matchbox-window-manager + my full-screen application.
[22:20] <dmj_s76> cyphermox: Is that ppa package working for you?
[22:20] <dmj_s76> oem-firstboot fails here after installing the ppa, but maybe that's all the netcfg changes?
[22:21] <cyphermox> could be
[22:22] <cyphermox> that package actually needs to be injected in the image in an... unusual way, anway
[22:22] <cyphermox> oh
[22:22] <cyphermox> I see what you did there.
[22:22] <cyphermox> you'd need to look at logs in /var/log/installer to tell.
[22:23] <cyphermox> dmj_s76: it
[22:23] <cyphermox> *it's entirely possible I messed up the change, I was trying to both change the fill method for the panel and fix up its size.
[22:27] <dmj_s76> in /var/log/installer/dm, there's a traceback regarding /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm
[22:29] <dmj_s76> I'm going to see if this regresses compared to zesty.
[22:30] <dmj_s76> Might also try the fix against xenial if zesty is just broken atm
[22:30] <cyphermox> can you share the traceback?
[22:31] <cyphermox> I built this for zesty
[22:38] <cyphermox> looks good here, if you ignore how broken the rest of the installer is
[22:39] <cyphermox> (also, why oh why)
[22:39] <cyphermox> and I
[22:39] <cyphermox> am not on HiDPI, so maybe it's all wrong there.
[22:40] <cyphermox> dmj_s76: given how painful this is to run, I'll remaster the zesty iso now, and I'll make it available here: http://people.canonical.com/~mtrudel/
[22:41] <cyphermox> hum, actually, perhaps I should remaster a yakkety iso instead, to not be caught in the other issues
[22:42] <dmj_s76> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23794768/
[22:42] <dmj_s76> I suspect weird zesty X images
[22:42] <dmj_s76> *issues
[22:43] <cyphermox> ah, that would be startup, yeah
[22:44] <cyphermox> now I know what to exxpect to be up against next week.
[22:48] <dmj_s76> So it fails there in the regular zesty image.
[22:50] <cyphermox> not sure what you mean by that?
[22:50] <cyphermox> I'm rebuilding the squashfs right now for a yakkety image.
[22:50] <cyphermox> it should be all ready in 2 minutes
[22:53] <cyphermox> ... burning to a USB
[22:53] <dmj_s76> I get that same error when running oem-firstboot from a zesty image without installing the package from your ppa
[22:54] <dmj_s76> sweet
[22:58] <cyphermox> well, that's going to take a while to upload.
[23:44] <xevious> cyphermox: "# The scripts require that you work in /build" I've seen this in several places. That doesn't seem like it's true, since I'm building in /mnt/live-build and have created a bootable .iso image. http://swem.logdown.com/posts/763254
[23:44] <xevious> Also, here: https://code.launchpad.net/~semiosis/livecd-rootfs/fix-for-1565985/+merge/298305/comments/768010