[10:53] <rick_h_> morning
[11:31] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: hiya
[11:33]  * rick_h_ goes to head out to morning dr apt, back in a bit all
[12:12]  * rogpeppe1 lunches
[13:29]  * rick_h_ is back from the evil doc
[13:44]  * frankban bbiab
[13:52] <urulama> rick_h_: now i can hear someone calling through the hall: "Richard Harding! Richard Harding, your're next.  A shoulder is kind of hard to keep covered right
[13:56] <urulama> i first thought that it's cortisone and thought you had enough stress, why meed some more ... had to look what that cortozone was ... auch.
[13:57] <rick_h_> oh, I'm not sure. It's whatever is supposed to make my shoulder stop hurting all the time
[13:57] <rick_h_> the guy needed an ultrasound machine to 'guide the needle'
[13:57] <rick_h_> I didn't really watch, the electrical outlet on the wall was VERY interesting while he did his business
[13:58] <urulama> :) :)
[13:58] <rick_h_> luca__: hey, I bow out of the meeting your setup but have the team on it.
[13:58] <rick_h_> luca__: so be nice to them :P
[13:58] <luca__> rick_h_: no problem
[13:58] <luca__> rick_h_: so it’s still going on?
[13:59] <rick_h_> luca__: yes, I'm just in another meeting with IS trying to get us goodies for jujucharms.com and such
[13:59] <rick_h_> luca__: so I can't miss that one for yours
[13:59] <rick_h_> but the team knows what's up and can take your info and run with it
[13:59] <luca__> rick_h_: so what your saying is that I’m not as important as IS, got it. Thanks :P
[13:59] <rick_h_> luca__: glad you read between the lines and I didn't have to be blunt about it
[13:59] <luca__> hahahahahaha
[14:00] <rick_h_> that would have been embarassing
[14:00] <luca__> ha!
[14:00]  * luca__ uncontrollably laughing in the office
[14:16] <rick_h_> kadams54: hatch Makyo note the meeting with luca on the calendar around the multiple changesets work please. I can't be there, but make sure to look at the designs, get any questions you have, and add any notes to the cards on the board required
[14:18] <hatch> yup ill be there
[14:19] <rick_h_> ty for working on that
[14:37] <kadams54> rick_h_: Unfortunately I won't be able to be there… Kelly is jumping out of an airplane over lunch break today.
[14:38] <rick_h_> kadams54: oh ok, bummer.
[14:38] <rick_h_> well not bummer on jumping from a plane, that sounds good
[14:46] <hatch> well...as long as she has a parachute
[14:47] <hatch> kadams54: actually...why aren't you also jumping?
[14:47] <kadams54> hatch: because I don't want our kids to be orphans.
[14:48] <hatch> lol...*sadface*
[14:48] <hatch> it's apparently pretty safe
[14:48] <hatch> not that I'm going to do it haha
[14:48] <kadams54> I may jump out of a plane someday
[14:49] <kadams54> But I hate the falling sensation on rollercoasters
[14:49] <kadams54> So I kinda think skydiving might be a jillion times worse
[14:49] <hatch> apparently that only happens for the first few seconds
[14:49] <hatch> I'm just spewing things I've heard as fact here.....nbd
[14:50] <luca__> team sky dive in brussels?
[14:50] <rick_h_> luca__: woot!
[14:50] <rick_h_> my wife would kill me
[14:50] <luca__> lol
[14:50] <rick_h_> I'm not allowed to fly a plane, not sure how jumping out of one counts
[14:50] <kadams54> I'm not sure what it is about rollercoasters either. It might not be the drop in and of itself… it might be that I'm strapped into something that's pulling me towards earth at an alarming speed.
[14:50]  * rick_h_ lives by a small airport with flying lessons :(
[14:51] <luca__> :(
[14:51] <kadams54> rick_h_: parasailing?
[14:51] <luca__> rollacoasters are awesome
[14:51] <rick_h_> kadams54: did get to do that on my honeymoon
[14:51] <hatch> rick_h_:  I actually have a standing flying lesson that I got for a birthday
[14:51] <luca__> I crave rollacoaters sometimes
[14:51] <luca__> I wouldn’t trust being in a place with hatch
[14:51] <luca__> plane
[14:51] <kadams54> lol
[14:51] <kadams54> Good call
[14:51] <luca__> flown by hatch
[14:51] <hatch> or a place....
[14:51] <hatch> lol
[14:51] <luca__> hehe
[14:52] <hatch> ahh i'd be a boss as a pilot....be like denzel in that upside down plane movie
[14:52] <luca__> Flight
[14:52] <hatch> yeah that one
[14:53] <kadams54> I like everything about rollercoasters except for the initial drop: the speed, going upside down, all that jazz. Rollercoasters where I hang underneath are better than traditional ones. The best are the ones that rocket you out of the station with no need for a hill.
[14:53] <hatch> haha
[14:53]  * luca__ really wants to go to a theme park
[14:53] <kadams54> It's very odd.  Seems like a big missed opportunity
[14:54] <luca__> hatch: we have 2 theme parks
[14:54] <hatch> well then!
[14:54] <luca__> hatch: Chessington world of adventures and Thorpe Park
[14:55] <luca__> Thorpe park is pretty good
[14:55] <hatch> I don't even recall hearing about them....are they popular?
[14:55] <luca__> but I want universal studios or islands of adventures
[14:55] <luca__> yeah, pretty popular
[14:55] <luca__> thorpe park is great
[14:55] <luca__> but nothing compared to the american parks
[14:56] <hatch> ahh yeah....those americans
[14:56] <hatch> jujugui call in 4
[14:57] <hatch> luca__: well there is little Europe in Brussels....can go there and pretend that train is a ride
[14:57] <luca__> haha
[14:59] <rick_h_> mhilton: rogpeppe1 call time
[15:00] <mhilton> rick_h_: Firefox has decided I don't have google talk installed, I'll be ther as soon as possible
[15:01] <rogpeppe1> rick_h_: i'm having difficulties logging in to ubuntu one
[15:18] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: I keep seeing your name everywhere I go when it comes to sqlalchemy and pyramid, figured i would go straight to the horses mouth
[15:19] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: :)
[15:19] <rick_h_> I'm a fan
[15:20] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: so I'm building a convience method on a Model, which will get the latest record from a one to many relationship and do some simple post processing logic. I can't seem to figure out how to sort those results desc. Here's my models for reference
[15:20] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: k, will be a few min, otp right now and another call after this but can look at lunch
[15:22] <rick_h_> hatch: your interwebs go boom?
[15:22] <hatch> they did....will see if they stay up
[15:23] <hatch> I'm not sure what's up it's been like this all week
[15:23] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8319714/ sure np, I've got a million other things to do anyways
[15:30] <hatch> luca__: you need to add a call link to the calendar
[15:30] <hatch> I can't for some reason....
[15:30] <luca__> hatch: adding one now
[15:30] <luca__> hatch: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/multiple?authuser=1
[15:56] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: check http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/relationships.html?highlight=relationship#relationships-api and http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/relationships.html?highlight=relationship#building-query-enabled-properties
[15:56] <rick_h_> not sure how the 'test' relation is as it's not in the code
[15:56] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: looks like a couple of ways to do it. Would have to test for ease/performance
[15:57] <rick_h_> oh, missed ReviewTest has the relationshiop
[16:05] <luca__> arosales: we’re on the hangout in the meeting invite
[16:13] <hatch> oh so thaaaaats why this bug happened....there was nothing testing it...lol
[16:16]  * rick_h_ goes afk for some food
[16:58] <hatch> hmm i think that this keyboard would be a lot nicer with vim style navigation controls
[16:58] <hatch> reading for home and end etal sucks
[16:59] <rick_h_> heh yea, vim + zsh ftw
[17:01] <hatch> I wonder if the sublime vim mode is any good
[17:02] <rick_h_> I mean vim mode in zsh so in my terminal I can use 0, $ and such to move around a line
[17:02] <rick_h_> cw to change the word in the terminal and such
[17:04] <hatch> oh that's really cool
[17:04] <hatch> maybe I should put some more time into learning this vim thing....
[17:04] <hatch> but I do not like that editor haha
[17:12] <hatch> jujugui lf reviews and qa's https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/544
[17:17] <hatch> jcsackett: can we just ship huws branch where you ref the extra var declarations? Just to get it moving?
[17:24] <hatch> makyo are you jumping off of the inspector config stuff?
[17:29] <hatch> rick_h_: huw will need some new cards tonight I believe. THe one I just picked up he started on then figured it was out of his wheelhouse lastnight
[17:38] <rick_h_> hatch: the color one?
[17:38] <rick_h_> hatch: ok, I'll send an email to him then and maybe have him spend his friday in QA of different live envs if possible
[17:45] <rick_h_> hatch: ok addressed thanks
[17:48] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: the order_by on relationship seems like the best route, thanks!
[17:49] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: +1
[17:49] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: the other is cool though for some tricky cool query relation stuff
[17:49] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so like on that one, you couldd do a custom query limit 1 and name the propery "last_test" or something
[17:49] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: totally, like doing crazy multiple joins
[17:49] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: or that :P
[17:49] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: right
[17:50] <rick_h_> but yea, relations are crazy awesome in sqlalchemy <3 mike bayer
[17:50] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: yeah, of all the things I've been doing this has been the most fun
[17:50] <rick_h_> I relate tags to bookmarks as a dictionary vs a list
[17:50] <rick_h_> so it's great, I can check if a bookmark has a tag with 'testtag' in bmark.tags and the like
[17:50] <marcoceppi> alembic for migrations has enabled really quick to production pushes etc
[17:51] <rick_h_> yea, db migrations are a must, so powerful once you have them working
[17:51]  * rick_h_ is jealous of all the fun coding :P
[17:51] <marcoceppi> this week the review queue has rev'd like crazy as we're sprinting. Would have been a nightmare without this combination
[17:51] <marcoceppi> anyways, thanks for the deets
[17:51] <rick_h_> <3 glad you're liking it
[17:52] <rick_h_> np
[17:55] <hatch> jujugui need one more https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/544
[18:03] <rick_h_> kadams54: around for call?
[18:06] <rick_h_> kadams54: ok, going to guess not.
[18:13] <Makyo> hatch, sorry, was heads down.  Sorry I left my face on that card, you can take it if you want.
[18:13] <Makyo> jujugui reviews/QA on remove relation cleanup: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/545
[18:17] <hatch> np i started on another
[18:17] <hatch> going to grab some lunch now
[18:19] <Makyo> Yeah, lunch sounds good, back in a few.
[18:26] <jcsackett> hatch: i would rather not just shipit, but the var thing is super trivial if you want to.
[18:27] <jcsackett> hatch: i mean, we're not backed up in the lane, and he can shipit immediately once he fixes that--it's not something that requires another look.
[18:28] <hatch> yeah np it can wait
[19:02] <rick_h_> jujugui going afk until tonights calls. If you need anything hit me on my phone via text/hangouts.
[19:02] <hatch> cyaz
[19:34] <hatch> hey fabrice
[19:35] <hatch> I see you did a talk yesterday :)
[19:35] <fabrice> no this morning
[19:35] <fabrice> i'm in dallas
[19:37] <fabrice> I've been invited for springone like 6 months ago
[19:38] <fabrice> and I have finished my previous job !!! Youhou !!
[19:40] <hatch> ahh very cool. I detest Angular so you'll have to try and convince me otherwise ;)
[19:41] <fabrice> I am not a fan in fact
[19:41] <fabrice> I don't understand what a directive is and why it's called like that
[19:41] <hatch> ohh I saw your talk included it so I assumed
[19:41] <hatch> never assume....haha
[19:42] <fabrice> http://fabricematrat.github.io/grails-rave/#/General/MVCs
[19:43] <hatch> lol nice
[19:43] <hatch> fabrice: so you start next week?
[19:43] <fabrice> yep
[19:43] <fabrice> Monday 9am French time
[19:46] <hatch> fabrice: heh blast from the past http://fabricematrat.github.io/grails-rave/#/General/SPAJuju
[19:46] <hatch> wow that is an olllllld UI :)
[19:47] <fabrice> ha yep but I took one from the website
[19:47] <fabrice> I could have taken a new one
[19:47] <hatch> that mockup is still on a site somewhere?
[19:48] <fabrice> apparently I took a few weeks back
[19:48] <fabrice> need to find out where now :)
[19:48] <hatch> yeah, the web guys would definitely like to fix that up if you can find it
[19:49] <hatch> current UI http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/:flags:/mv/ :)
[19:49] <fabrice> yep the one I have installed :)
[19:51] <hatch> Makyo: I'll take a review of your brnach
[19:51] <hatch> I swear I'll never get used to this keyboard
[19:53] <fabrice> ok guys tty on Monday !
[19:53] <hatch> Makyo: that blue and green circle makes my eyes go whaaaaaaaaa
[19:55] <Makyo> Hah
[21:32] <hatch> naming things.....hard
[21:33] <rick_h_> pie, call it pie
[21:36] <hatch> lol henceforth the uncommitted/pending status of items will be known as "pie"
[21:53] <hatch> what state is between uncommitted and pending?
[21:53] <hatch> uncommitted, waiting-for-ack, pending
[21:53] <hatch> which....no.....just no
[22:01] <jrwren> if you name it pie, i will eat it until there is none left. :)
[22:03] <hatch> uncommitted, pie, pending
[22:04] <hatch> OH I KNOW'
[22:04] <hatch> uncommitted, divergent, pending
[22:04] <hatch> lol.....
[22:05] <rick_h_> how is there a state between uncomitted and pending?
[22:05] <rick_h_> once you hit commit, the user sees it as pending
[22:05] <hatch> but that's not true...pending is an agent_state
[22:05] <hatch> which we don't have yet
[22:06] <hatch> we need to move uncommittted into an attribute anyways
[22:06] <rick_h_> ok, so in-progress
[22:06]  * rick_h_ drop the mic and gets back to packing up the camper
[22:06] <hatch> well then
[22:06] <hatch> that was easy
[22:06] <hatch> haha
[22:07] <hatch> a;though then we need an uncommitted attribute and an inProgress attribute....which I suppose is ok
[22:07] <rick_h_> why not a single status attr?
[22:07] <rick_h_> that's set to uncommitted or in-progress?
[22:07] <hatch> right....but what should that be called?
[22:08] <hatch> status is confusing
[22:08] <hatch> it'll need to be shared across every model
[22:08]  * rick_h_ is thinking
[22:08] <rick_h_> commitStatus
[22:08] <hatch> BOOM
[22:09]  * hatch sees rick step on the mic and crush it then walk away
[22:29] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:29] <rick_h_> morn
[22:29] <hatch> yoooooooo
[22:30] <hatch> call now>
[22:31] <hatch> ?
[22:31] <rick_h_> yes, chrome hates me moving to FF


 If you want to extend our call to include the pre-imp that's fine with me.
[13:05] <gary_poster> gmb, cool thanks
[13:05] <gary_poster> glad you eat sometime :-)
[13:05] <gmb> :)
[13:28] <gary_poster> bac benji gmb: 2 min warning
[13:28] <gmb> Yep
[13:32] <gmb> gary_poster: Someone at the door; BB when i've dealt with them.
[13:34]  * gmb returns
[13:47] <gmb> https://bugs.qastaging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtg/+bug/583103
[13:47] <_mup_> Bug #583103: Pressing 'delete' key with no task highlighted creates a new task <apport-bug> <i386> <lucid> <patch-accepted-upstream> <Getting Things GNOME!:Fix Committed by jeffrey-oliver> <gtg (Ubuntu):Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/583103 >
[14:10] <bac> hi gmb, i tried to follow along with your subscribe/unsubcribe story using the link above
[14:11] <bac> i only see "subscribe" then "unsubscribe".  weren't you saying i should get an "edit" link?
[14:11] <gmb> bac: I'm going to take a wild guess and say it didn't work because you're not in malone-alpha on qastaging.
[14:11] <gmb> I'll fix that, hangon ...
[14:11] <bac> ergh, perhaps.  i know i am in production
[14:11] <gmb> bac: Yeah, qastaging is quite massively out of step.
[14:11] <bac> ok, np then
[14:12] <gmb> bac: Should work now.
[14:13] <bac> indeed it does.
[14:41] <gary_poster> gmb, ready when you are
[14:41] <gmb> gary_poster: Okay, just firing up mumble.
[14:41] <gary_poster> cool
[14:45] <gmb> gary_poster: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yellow/launchpad/bug-subscription-page-mockups/
[15:36] <gmb>  lib/lp/bugs/browser/bugtask.py
[17:06]  * benji lunches
[18:59] <bac> benji: what's the trick to getting huw's lazrjs to work with lp.dev?
[21:07] <bac> gary does your 548 fix affect structural subscriptions or just direct bug subscriptions?
[21:07] <bac> gary_poster: ^
[21:07] <gary_poster> bac, it is supposed to fix both (and "gary" pings me too :-) )
[21:08] <bac> good to know on both counts!
[21:08] <bac> well, i confirmed the direct subscription but i'll take your word on structurals
[21:08] <gary_poster> cool
[21:08] <gary_poster> thanks bac
[21:22] <bac> gary_poster: did you do 548 by yourself or did danilo help?
[21:22] <gary_poster> bac, danilo should get first billing
[21:22] <gary_poster> I changed more code but he changed the code that actually did the job :-)
[21:34] <bac> gary_poster: short and sweet:  http://blog.launchpad.net/?p=1944&preview=true .  give it a once over before i publish, please.
[21:34] <gary_poster> ack, looking
[21:36] <gary_poster> bac, cool thanks.  Makes me think maybe we should have made new users get "False" by default :-)
[21:36] <bac> gary_poster: that's a good point
[21:36] <bac> easy tweak
[21:37] <gary_poster> yeah
[21:37] <gary_poster> thank you bac!
[21:37] <bac> ok, i'm publishing
[21:37] <bac> oh, i've had a regression on the accordion.  i pulled from trunk and got hit by deryck's update to YUI 3.3
[21:38] <gary_poster> :-/
[21:38] <bac> now i have odd errors
[21:38] <bac> not sure if my merge with yui-deps broke it or if the widget isn't 3.3.-happy yet
[21:38] <bac> the page for it still shows 3.2
[21:38] <gary_poster> :-/ good luck.  That's not cool.
[21:39] <gary_poster> Sounds suspicious.  Is the other accordion you mentioned 3.3 friendly yet?
[21:39] <gary_poster> Or, do they report being so, I guess I mean
[21:46] <bac> yes, Node Accordion already claims 3.3 goodness
[21:46] <gary_poster> hm
[21:47] <gary_poster> interesting if nothing else :-P
[21:47] <bac> i could try to plop it in place
[21:47] <gary_poster> what the heck :-)
[21:47] <bac> agreed
[21:47] <bac> but, the issue may be with dependencies not versioning
[21:48] <bac> our yui-deps was changed dramatically by deryck for 3.3
[21:48] <gary_poster> we don't see the post on http://blog.launchpad.net (front page) until mrevell blesses it, btw?
[21:48] <gary_poster> I see.
[21:48] <bac> and, sadly, it is a bit of black magic to suss out the dependencies as most of these widget dudes expect you'll be pulling from the CDN
[21:48] <gary_poster> :-/
[21:48] <bac> gary_poster: i haven't pushed the publish button yet
[21:48] <gary_poster> oh ok
[21:48] <bac> it should appear when i do
[21:48] <gary_poster> cool
[22:00] <bac> gary_poster: do you want to put that post on the LP front page?
[22:00] <bac> i think so
[22:01] <gary_poster> bac +1.  The current top posting is not wildly compelling :-)
[22:01] <bac> yeah, so much so i didn't even click on it
[22:01] <gary_poster> lol, me too
[22:02] <bac> ok, i marked it 'front-page'  but i'm unsure about the mechanism for getting it to show up.  i think maybe there is a cron job
[22:02] <gary_poster> I know memcache is involved somehow
[22:03] <gary_poster> so I think it will show up RSN for some definition thereof
[22:04] <bac> 1 hr cache
[22:04] <bac> plus any feed overhead
[22:04] <gary_poster> sounds like something to check on Monday ;-)
[22:06] <gary_poster> ok, I fired off an ec2 test to see how badly my current branch broke the world
[22:07] <gary_poster> Sounds like a great time to sign off :-)
[22:07] <gary_poster> Have a great weekend, anyone who reads this, including bac
[22:07] <bac> you too
[22:07] <gary_poster> And especially including _mup_ and ubuntulog2
[22:07] <gary_poster> bye


[14:32] <wraiden> any core upstart developer here?
[16:42] <SpamapS> wraiden: you should just ask your question.. somebody smart enough to answer should be on sometime today. :)
[17:01] <wraiden> i'll write an email to the list and are allready up to implement the things i wanted to get opinions on...
[17:02] <wraiden> i need to set the signal that is uses to stop the exec job ...
[17:02] <wraiden> for slapd (openldap)
[17:03] <wraiden> it needs sigint and will eat the directory-database if it gets stopped by sigterm or sigkill...
[17:03] <wraiden> i'll implement a stopsignal stanza ...
[17:04] <wraiden> default value for it is term
[17:05] <wraiden> but can get be set int, usr1 or usr2 also
[17:05] <SpamapS> wraiden: right, in that case, pre-stop is needed
[17:05] <wraiden> pre-stop ?
[17:05] <SpamapS> no need for a new stanza
[17:06] <SpamapS> send your sigint in pre-stop
[17:06] <SpamapS> and wait for slapd to shutdown, then TERM will never be sent
[17:06] <wraiden> ah
[17:07] <wraiden> and upstart will supervise the slapd pid and will not respawn it?
[17:07] <SpamapS> There is an open bug against upstart to provide custom actions, so that reload could be changed from HUP to USR1 or something like that
[17:07] <wraiden> jepp
[17:07] <SpamapS> yes, at that point, the job's goal will be "stop"
[17:07] <SpamapS> so no respawn takes case
[17:07] <wraiden> i plan to implement that also
[17:07] <SpamapS> takes place
[17:08] <wraiden> but that needs a change in initctl to hand over the actual signal sending to the job to upstart itself
[17:08] <wraiden> initctl doesn't parse the job configs so there is no way to change the behavior without that...
[17:09] <SpamapS> I'm not sure the best way to spin and wait for it to die.. its not pretty but just watching status would work I *think*
[17:09] <wraiden> mhm
[17:11] <wraiden> i'll go and test that ...
[17:11] <wraiden> btw: the stopsignal stanza is a rally low hanging fruit
[17:12] <wraiden> *really
[17:12] <wraiden> ot: is the copyright / legal stuff still needed to contribute to upstart?
[17:32] <SpamapS> wraiden: not OT at all, but its not clear either. ;)
[17:33] <SpamapS> wraiden: stopsignal seems rather.. coarse. I'm thinking Keybuk will prefer something a bit more elegant. Like  'action stop signal INT' rather than 'stopsignal'
[17:37] <wraiden> i've implemented "oom score value" support (patch is on mailinglist) so thats no problem as im familar with the stanza parsing now ... :)
[17:39] <wraiden> an rfc mail for scott to read is also out to the mailinglist ... i'll wait until he has time to respond to it...
[17:39] <wraiden> *reguarding the stopsignal stuff
[17:40] <wraiden> anyway, time to go home for me now... bye
[17:41] <wraiden> and thanks for your hint with the pre-stop hack for slapd :)
[18:54] <wraiden> hello again...
[19:20] <Keybuk> wraiden: hi
[19:31] <JanC> wraiden: I think Keybuk doesn't require copyright/legal stuff since yesterday anymore, but best he answers that himself  ;)
[19:31] <wraiden> @ keybuk: Mailinglist...
[19:31] <JanC> ah, you asked there too
[19:32] <Keybuk> wraiden: you have a question?
[19:32] <wraiden> in the mail ...
[19:32] <Keybuk> sorry, I don't have lots of this channel, so am missing context
[19:32]  * wraiden == Marc
[19:32] <Keybuk> ah, hi!
[19:32]  * Keybuk = Scott
[19:32] <wraiden> :)
[19:33] <Keybuk> I did just reply to your mail
[19:34] <Keybuk> wraiden: did you want to follow up on the copyright assignment bit? it seems there is a confusion there from JanC's comment
[19:38] <wraiden> mhm, if it's not needed anymore...
[19:38] <Keybuk> so let me clarify
[19:38] <wraiden> JanC was in the channel before i made my way back home from work and i asked it here ...
[19:38] <Keybuk> Canonical Ltd require Copyright Assignment for projects under their stewardship
[19:39] <wraiden> so i think JanC yust wanted to let me know
[19:39] <Keybuk> since I was employed by Canonical Ltd for the past seven years, that policy applied to Upstart too
[19:40] <Keybuk> however I left Canonical in January, and now work for Google Inc, who do not require copyright assignment
[19:40] <Keybuk> so the 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 releases have contained patches for which copyright was not assigned by the authors
[19:40] <Keybuk> including myself, and google
[19:40] <wraiden> ah, ok, they allowed you to take the project with you?!
[19:40] <Keybuk> they released the project under the GPL
[19:40] <wraiden> german law is crazy about such things...
[19:41] <wraiden> jeah
[19:41] <wraiden> but the copyright...
[19:41] <Keybuk> they don't need to have "allowed" me
[19:41] <wraiden> ok
[19:41] <wraiden> the GPL is clear on that
[19:42] <wraiden> ok
[19:42] <Keybuk> so I continue to maintain Upstart
[19:42] <Keybuk> for the past six weeks, I was in discussions with Canonical about an appropriate way forward
[19:43] <Keybuk> but we had agreed a time limit (end of April) for those, and that was reached without an agreement
[19:43] <Keybuk> so things revert back to Upstart continues as a GPL project without any form of assignment
[19:43] <Keybuk> (one of the options was a relicense to Apache 2.0 so Canonical could continue to release private versions)
[19:44] <wraiden> good to hear that
[19:46] <Keybuk> so yeah, don't worry about it ;-)
[19:47] <wraiden> some of Lennarts FUD blogpost doesn't state the right information than...
[19:47] <Keybuk> *shock*
[19:53] <wraiden> pretty onesided function mentioning in his post as he doesn't looks out of his sandbox and just looks what of systemds functions were implemented in other inits...
[19:55] <wraiden> *writing kill signal code*
[19:56] <Keybuk> it's Lennart, I would expect nothing less
[20:08] <wraiden> yeah
[20:08] <wraiden> got that impression the day he introduced his audio stuff to gnome...
[20:19] <JanC> pulseaudio is mostly useful (now)  ☺
[20:27] <wraiden> yeah, now...
[20:32] <wraiden> first hack send to list now
[20:33] <wraiden> got rid of the signal == 0 then send sigkill as its clearer to just send SIGKILL as param in system_send_signal...
[20:34] <wraiden> *reading on xen-devel list*
[21:05] <wraiden> testsuite errors on my system on this:
[21:05] <wraiden> ...with error after modification of job
[21:05] <wraiden> BAD: wrong value for file, expected (nil) got 0xeb2a10
[21:05] <wraiden>         at tests/test_conf.c:709 (test_source_reload_job_dir).
[21:05] <wraiden> FAIL: test_conf
[21:06] <wraiden> expected?
[21:07] <wraiden> it's totaly unrelated to my changes as i tested an upstream version and get the error there also...
[22:50]  * wraiden goes and gets som sleep...
[22:50] <wraiden> ... updated patch is out to the list now...


[14:58] <jamespage> o/
[14:59] <jamespage> starting shortly
[15:01] <beisner> o/
[15:01] <gema_> o/
[15:02] <dpb1> hi there
[15:11] <beisner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive
[15:13] <beisner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes/OpenStackCharms
[15:23] <gema_> I'd like to see better openstack charm documentation :D
[15:26] <gema_> cool
[15:28] <mbruzek1> 30 minutes until the Juju Big Data UOS session.  Please attend if you are interested in BIG DATA
[15:28] <beisner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackCharms
[15:28] <beisner> 'OpenStack Charm Development Policy'
[15:29] <mbruzek1> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22392/big-data-and-juju/
[15:31] <gema_> \o/
[15:31] <gema_> <- cts
[15:32] <shirgall> Sounds good.
[15:32] <beisner> make that:  gnuoy
[15:33] <gema_> thanks!
[15:33] <jamespage> thanks for listening folks!
[15:33] <beisner> \o
[15:35] <sparkiegeek> thanks all!
[15:35] <sparkiegeek> o/
[16:02] <lazyPower> Greetings IRC listeners o/
[16:02] <lazyPower> If you have any questions - please prefix them with QUESTION and we will try to get them answered as they come in
[16:26] <lazyPower> https://launchpad.net/~bigdata-charmers
[16:28] <mbruzek1> https://jujucharms.com/big-data
[16:29] <mbruzek1> More information about Big Data and Juju ^
[16:45] <mbruzek1> Hey Chuck
[16:45] <mbruzek1> Good session!
[16:52] <lazyPower> Thanks mbruzek1
[18:02] <lazyPower> Greetings Community! We'll be starting in a moment
[18:03] <lazyPower> we're getting a late start on this track, apologies for the delay
[18:03] <mbruzek1> I just updated the video urls on the summit page:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22393/cloud-foundry-and-juju/
[18:03] <mbruzek1> http://www.youtube.com/embed/R7eam_M1x-0
[18:03] <mbruzek1> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYe_wbtZ74jvg9krjFU0zw8glIUXB36TSwwdq_d-hNe_ZNpIhw?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:04] <mbruzek1> Please refresh your summit page if you have not already
[18:04] <mbruzek1> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22393/cloud-foundry-and-juju/
[18:05] <mbruzek1> We are live!
[18:06] <lazyPower> If you have any questions, please ask away - prefix them with QUESTION and we will try to get them all answered for you
[18:06] <mbruzek1> If you have any questions please leave them in this channel
[18:12] <lazyPower> Services Framework: https://pythonhosted.org/charmhelpers/examples/services.html
[18:13] <lazyPower> Orchestrator Charm: https://code.launchpad.net/~cf-charmers/charms/trusty/cloudfoundry/trunk
[18:27] <lazyPower> https://launchpad.net/~cf-charmers
[19:00] <randall-rrnwexec> ping
[19:01] <lazyPower> greetings randall-rrnwexec
[19:01] <lazyPower> We'll be getting started in just a moment. if you want to join and give open feedback, we're here https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdwa3d9A4ohXuoRdM-SQCQSJUzu4xgEflvg996V8rMyAw427g?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:03] <whit> feedback!
[19:04]  * rbasak wrote some stuff in the pad
[19:04] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-juju-open-feedback
[19:04] <rbasak> Some bullet points for discussion, anyway
[19:06] <lazyPower> Thanks robbie!
[19:15] <mbruzek1> rbask would you like to speak in the session?
[19:15] <mbruzek1> Do you have feedback to give?
[19:15] <mbruzek1> rbasak
[19:16] <rbasak> mbruzek1: I'm writing it up in the pad. I'm not sure it's useful for me to just monologue a list.
[19:16] <rbasak> mbruzek1: but if anything I write in the pad isn't obvious, then sure we could discuss.
[19:17] <mbruzek1> rbasak Please feel free to chime in.  We want other feedback.
[19:17] <mbruzek1> rbasak I would be interested in your view point on what Juju needs.
[19:31] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1411-juju-open-feedback
[19:36] <cory_fu> juju resolved --retry <unit>
[19:41] <avoine> I re-deploy  constantly too, my /var/lib/lxc/ is a tmpfs and I have apt-cacher, pip cacher, etc
[19:42] <lazyPower> https://github.com/juju/docs/
[19:42] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-website
[19:44] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-website/+bugs?search=Search&field.bug_reporter=racb are mine :)
[19:52] <mbruzek1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/
[19:53] <mbruzek1> https://github.com/juju/docs
[19:53] <mbruzek1> Create an issue if you have problems