 I just had to call the insurance company because I broke the stovetop :-(
[21:14] <vino> Hey Veebers! I am good. Awake from 5:am this morning.
[21:14] <vino> Excellent its a good start for you :p
[21:15] <vino> Looks like u had a fun weekend
[21:17] <veebers> vino: hah that's earlier than me and I have a baby alarm clock ^_^
[22:09] <veebers> thumper: going to propose http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bPYQSpV5Kq/ to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1745031 (finally).  Wanted to add a test for ValidateFileAttrValue (none currently), seems either I need to write actual files or mock os.Stat to do so. I presume mocking os.Stat would be preferred?
[22:09] <mup> Bug #1745031: gce add credentials "Enter file" absolute path msg improvment <juju:Triaged by veebers> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1745031>
[22:11] <thumper> or writing some creds to a temporary file
[22:11] <thumper> that would be preferable to mocking os.Stat
[22:13] <veebers> thumper: the function in question only deals with file paths, doesn't care about the content
[22:13] <thumper> write actual files
[22:13] <thumper> ioutil.WriteFile
[22:13] <veebers> thumper: also, juju add-credential google is happy with an empty json file, says "Credential "blah" added locally for cloud "google".:
[22:13] <veebers> thumper: ack, can do
[22:14] <thumper> veebers: that seems like a different validation bug for credentials :)
[22:14] <veebers> thumper: it does
[22:14] <thumper> veebers: are you almost ready to land the simple fix from Jan now?
[22:14] <thumper> heh
[22:14] <veebers> thumper: hah yeah ^_^ it's been a journey
[22:16]  * thumper goes back to his weaving of presence
[23:17] <wallyworld> vino: standup?


[03:02] <LinDol> hi all
[06:59] <lindol> um..
[06:59] <lindol> i am confusing between repositories and archives.
[07:00] <lindol> what is diffent means?
[08:47] <lindol> Korea is pretty hot today. T_T
[09:27] <darkxst> lindol essentially they are the same thing
[09:28] <darkxst> lindol, winter here, so cold instead!
[09:34] <lindol> darkxst, Thank you for your explaination :)
[09:34] <lindol> so I transalted some page haha,
[09:34] <lindol> Winter? wow, :)
[09:35] <darkxst> lindol, yes its that time of year in Australia
[09:36] <lindol> and your time is 8:36 pm?
[09:37] <darkxst> 7.36
[09:38] <lindol> oops. what is your date?
[09:38] <lindol> on Friday?
[09:38] <darkxst> lindol, tomorrow!
[09:38] <lindol> Sorry > _<
[09:53] <lindol> darkxst, Have a great night. :)


[03:12] <pleia2> phillw: might want to mention that in #ubuntu-manual (we are still separate teams, we don't do any of the manual stuff here)


[00:32] <strictland> hello everyone
[00:36] <strictland> i have an issue booting up xubuntu, can any one offer assistance?
[00:37] <strictland> its my first time joining these chat room so please forgive my noobness
[00:43] <drc> strictland: Just ask your question and if someone has an answer, they'll say so.
[00:43] <drc> i.r., don't ask to ask
[01:09] <strictland> So my xubuntu system is setup to shutdown via cron at a specific time everyday, then it wakes on lan everyday as well at a specified time. my problem is, a few weeks ago, my system would wake onlan but stop at a black screen with text saying something about "Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported ubuntu" .... I dont know what to do?
[01:18] <strictland> Here are my boot info script results if that helps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1004011/
[02:14] <haux> I installed xubuntu 12.04 on a system with this board: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/kino_690s1  It is hooked up a television as a "media" pc. I can't get fglrx to work, and otherwise am having serious resolution issues. None of the resolutions I select fit the screen very well. They are either oversized, or too small. Any ideas?
[03:05] <rbrt> Anyone know how I view the changelogs of files that will be upgraded, when I do apt-get upgrade?
[03:06] <rbrt> I see there is a changelog option in the apt-get man, but I'm not sure how to go about useing it to display the files that come back from apt-get upgrade
[03:10] <rbrt> apt-listchanges the only way to do this?
[03:11] <chelz> aptitude changelog package-name
[03:11] <Liquidedge> Hey all.  Having a rough time with a new install.
[03:11] <rbrt> chelz: yeah but when I do apt-get upgrade and it spits me back a list of programs, there isn't a more automated way?
[03:12] <chelz> rbrt: you can use fancy aptitude searching for packages that will be upgraded
[03:12] <Liquidedge> After I hit "Install Xubuntu" it works for a bit then the graphics on my screen go crazy.
[03:12] <rbrt> Liquidedge: try passing options at boot for differnt video options
[03:13] <rbrt> or try alternate install
[03:13] <Liquidedge> I tried alternate install with nomodeset
[03:13] <Liquidedge> What other options do you suggest?
[03:13] <rbrt> chelz: can you elaborate on that? I think I'm jsut confusing myself now lol
[03:14] <rbrt> Liquidedge: what kind of video card do u have
[03:14] <chelz> rbrt: the aptitude manpage says about searching stuff "see the section “Search Patterns” in the aptitude reference manual"
[03:14] <Liquidedge> Not sure.  It's a Toshiba Satellite laptop.
[03:14] <Liquidedge> Older.
[03:14] <Liquidedge> Model number is scratched off.
[03:15] <Liquidedge> Can't even get to lspci to get info
[03:15] <rbrt> Liquidedge: oh its alptop
[03:15] <Liquidedge> I had Linux Mint on it.  Just doesn't seem to like the Xubuntu install.
[03:15] <chelz> rbrt:  for example to search installed packages for packagename, you can do:    aptitude search '~i'packagename
[03:16] <rbrt> chelz: how does that give me the changelog though?
[03:16] <chelz> rbrt: you find what gives you results of packages to be upgraded, then use it with "aptitude changelog"
[03:17] <chelz> aptitude changelog '~i'packagename
[03:17] <chelz> but not ~i
[03:17] <rbrt> chelz: oh ok I have to read up on aptitude then
[03:17] <chelz> this is one way to do it. i'm used to aptitude more than apt-get so there might be some way with apt-get that i don't know about
[03:17] <rbrt> chelz: I saw thi s apt-listchanges package too but I didn't want to go down the rabbit hole before seeing if there was a trick i was missign with apt-get
[03:18] <rbrt> chelz: gotcha, thanks for the tip
[03:18] <chelz> rbrt: well that apt-listchanges might be some 3rd party tool, which is okay, like i like apt-file, but i prefer to use existing features of tools when i can
[03:19] <rbrt> chelz: yeah I feel exactly same
[03:19] <Liquidedge> So, it's a laptop so I'm screwed.
[03:19] <Liquidedge> ?
[03:19] <rbrt> Liquidedge: lol no sorry
[03:19] <rbrt> let's see
[03:20] <chelz> Liquidedge: there's gotta be some magic combination of boot options
[03:20] <rbrt> put it this way what have you tried so far
[03:20] <rbrt> Liquidedge: it might take couple tries to figure it out
[03:20] <Liquidedge> Is there a way to get past the graphical install environment but still have it be automated?
[03:20] <chelz> Liquidedge: if you take off "splash" and "quiet" and "--" you might get some info about where it's erroring
[03:20] <chelz> Liquidedge: you can do a preseed file but that's fairly advanced
[03:22] <rbrt> did you try the nomodeset Liquidedge ?
[03:23] <chelz> mash f6 is one thing, and try the "try xubuntu" rather than just doing install. but yeah if you're having graphical errors then using the alternate CD does increase your chances of a good install
[03:25] <rbrt> can you boot into windows maybe and get some info about the vid? so you have some idea what your dealing with
[03:32] <chelz> well if mint boots, can just boot a mint livecd
[03:33] <rbrt> I was just thinking same thing
[03:34] <Liquidedge> Sorry guys.  Connection got weird.
[03:34] <Liquidedge> Okay, I'll try it with mint.
[03:35] <chelz> Liquidedge: well i mean take off splash and quiet from boot options to get an error msg
[03:38] <rbrt> fb=false you coudl try too
[03:42] <rbrt> Liquidedge: add that to boot prompt
[03:46] <Liquidedge> gotcha
[04:24] <Liquidedge> Windows is installing just fine.
[04:24] <Liquidedge> This makes me sad.
[04:25] <chelz> that's not mint ;/
[04:25] <Marzata> that is Wisonds?
[04:26] <Liquidedge> Mint kept rebooting, too.
[04:26] <Liquidedge> Must be something with the video card.
[04:28] <chelz> Liquidedge: heyy you said mint worked
[04:28] <Liquidedge> Of course, Comcast has chosen this moment to be wonky so finding answers is extra hard.
[04:28] <Liquidedge> It did, but I stopped that install to try other Xubuntu stuff.
[04:28] <Liquidedge> Then it didn't work.
[04:29] <Liquidedge> so
[04:29] <Liquidedge> yay
[04:30] <chelz> dying vidjeo card maybe
[04:31] <Liquidedge> Probably.  I wonder if that's even replaceable on a laptop or if it's on the mobo?
[04:32] <chelz> a few laptops have gpus that aren't soldered but those are rare. the socket is called mxm
[04:32] <chelz> Liquidedge: still, you should try to boot xubuntu, mash f6, then on the boot option line take off quiet and splash
[04:33] <chelz> so you can get an error message
[04:33] <chelz> and find out what's actually wrong
[04:33] <Liquidedge> Yeah, but as it's going, the text gets all weird looking.
[04:34] <Liquidedge> I can get to the "Install Xubuntu" prompt and then hit F6 and change any of the variables.
[04:37] <lycrat> Hi, I recently installed xubuntu besides my ubuntu (12.04). What I can't figure out: how do I change to a second user (go back to login screen)?
[04:37] <Unit193> Top right there is a username, click that.
[04:38] <lycrat> I found that, but there I have to log out.
[04:39] <lycrat> I want to login another user...
[04:40] <lycrat> And then switch between them: Ctrl-Alt-F7 and Ctrl-Alt-F8.
[04:40] <Unit193> I have it, I'll blame my version and say it'll be in the next version of Xubuntu.
[04:40] <Unit193> Oh, that's a bit different.
[04:42] <chelz> lycrat: go to ctrl-alt-f6 say and do "startxfce4"
[04:44] <lycrat> I had to login and got a fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0.
[04:47] <chelz> startx -- :1
[04:47] <chelz> lycrat: try that
[04:49] <lycrat> It's easier: I had to lock my screen and then I can login another user. Now I have two displays running...
[04:50] <chelz> oh yeah that's fast user switching
[04:50] <lycrat> Thanks guys!
[05:37] <qwentin355> Hello, I've been sent here from #UbuntuStudio because they couldn't figure out what what wrong with my desktop. I am using Xfce4 and have been having trouble for quite some time. Here is my tale. Many months ago I installed a distro called UbuntuStudio, I was unfamiliar with Xfce but over time I became familiar to it, but one fateful night the firey fox died, resulting in unforseen metamorphosis, the background became light blue
[05:38] <chelz> qwentin355: you got cut off at "became light blu"
[05:42] <qwentin355> thank you chelz, the defualt icons were  never seen again, and the desktop icons I had made were gone, any new icons I made were now able to be resized, a feature that I profusley enjoyed for many nights, I started a new life with a linux that was the same but had changed so much in an very short time, and in time I grew fond of it, but last night the musical giant Ardour died which resulted again in change, back to the way thin
[05:45] <chelz> qwentin355: cut off again at "back to the way thi"
[05:45] <chelz> a fix might be panels
[05:45] <chelz> !panels
[05:48] <qwentin355> ngs were but not the same at all, this distro was different from the distro I knew before, it was broken, the windows no longer fit within there confines and... you know what I'm done with that time for the issues, my windows open outside of the monitor and just far enough out that I cannot manipulate them, I also cannot create new workspaces, when I open firefox  or any program I cannot interact with the drop down widgets, when
[05:51] <chelz> qwentin355: you might want to pastebin what you want to say since you keep getting cut off
[05:52] <qwentin355> so I cannot access preferences for them, also right click drop down closes when my cursor is over it so I cannot copy paste I have run rm -r .config/xfce4 which did its job but did not fix all the problems, I can now maybe see the windows that I have open on my panel, I cannot be sure because the open window cover the left 2/3 of my screen, also
[05:55] <qwentin355> the minimize all open windows is completly inefectual. now we have tried restoring it to its original state to no avail, we have tried different monitors one a 46in and the other 22in both 1080 and that is the resolution being put out
[05:58] <qwentin355> my panels are still where they are supposed to be
[05:59] <chelz> hm
[06:00] <chelz> qwentin355: you could backup and try a fresh install
[06:00] <chelz> i'm not entirely sure what you're saying the issue you're experience is. is your display resolution changing on its own?
[06:04] <qwentin355> the display resolution is fitting but windows simply open outside of the display, beyond the reach of my cursor, I am also unable to make more workspaces, I have added 7 but I still only have one, also all open windows do not show on the top panel where you would expect them to
[06:06] <chelz> qwentin355: hm might be easier to reinstall than figure out how to fix that stuff
[06:07] <chelz> if removing .config/xfce4 doesn't fix it, i'm not sure
[06:08] <qwentin355> yeh that was there conclusion but they sent me here just to make sure, I have no issue with reinstall just kinda wanted it to be a last ditch effort
[06:09] <chelz> qwentin355: anything in particular you were doing around the time this happened?
[06:25] <baizon> qwentin355: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6102
[06:25] <baizon> try that
[06:28] <qwentin355> baizon are you a wizard?
[06:28] <baizon> qwentin355: ?
[06:29] <qwentin355> that looks exactly like what my issue might be
[06:29] <baizon> so i hope the sollution will help :)
[06:30] <qwentin355> Im certainly going to try when my upgrade finished downloading.
[06:54] <qwentin355> now I feel lame, and I really hope you do not role your eyes but I dont know how to run it in XTerm
[06:55] <qwentin355> can you help this noob out one more time?
[06:57] <baizon> you mean that command?
[06:59] <baizon> qwentin355:  just open xterm, then type: "rm -r ~/.cache/sessions"
[07:00] <baizon> or instead of ~ you can type: "/home/<youusername>/.cache/sessions"
[07:04] <qwentin355> no such file or directory
[07:06] <baizon> then type "ls"
[07:06] <baizon> or better "ls -a"
[07:06] <baizon> and check for the .cache directory
[07:11] <qwentin355> not found
[07:11] <qwentin355> would something like cd .config work
[07:13] <baizon> what dirs do you got?
[07:13] <baizon> there must be a .cache dir
[07:14] <qwentin355> ~/.config$ rm -r ~/.cache showed no syntax but I am not sure if it did anything
[07:21] <qwentin355> ttyyy
[07:22] <qwentin355> should I descend into write protected directory /home/quentin/.mediatomb?
[07:22] <qwentin355> yy
[07:32] <qwentin355> oh dear god what have I done
[07:32] <qwentin355> gone, every thing gone
[07:32] <qwentin355> hahahahahaha
[07:34] <qwentin355> every filesystem is empty
[07:34] <qwentin355> but atleast the problem is fixed, silver lining
[07:57] <baizon> xD
[07:59] <baizon> i hope this isnt your productivity pc :)
[08:05] <qwentin355> so anyone know of a good file recovery program for linux?
[08:06] <Unit193> !testdisk
[08:06] <Unit193> ubottu: quiet.
[08:07] <Unit193> qwentin355: Use testdisk, it's CLI, but works great.
[08:11] <qwentin355> well here is what happened, I came here for help to fix a problem and we accidentially removed almost everything from my harddrive, I still have every thing I got from software center but everything else is gone, will testdisk get these back?
[08:13] <Unit193> Don't restore it to the same disk, or boot from it and your chances are higher.
[08:17] <qwentin355> looks like I have a lot to learn before I can run a recovery
[08:18] <Unit193> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step Generally this site should help.
[08:20] <qwentin355> I hope this works, I am not sure If I have anything of value, thank you all, I hope this works but It can wait until the morning
[08:23] <Unit193> Heck yeah, it's 04:23 here. :P
[08:26] <xubuntu179> hello there, could anyonw please tell me how i could place a close button into the top panel so i can run all windows with miximus and than close them from the panel
[08:38] <ochosi> xubuntu179: afaik you can't with xfce-panel
[08:53] <Jonne_> that dual-screen bug in window buttons is still not fixed in 4.10, apparently
[08:58] <cathper> Will I be presented with an option to use an encrypted homedir when installing?
[08:59] <cathper> 12.04
[09:00] <xubuntu179> yeah i found that xfpanel isnt used anymore and indicator applet doesnt work
[09:00] <xubuntu179> but shound there be a possibility to add a button like bodhi close button or the close button which was in the mid edition
[09:02] <ochosi> xubuntu179: what do you mean xfce-panel isn't used anymore? (same goes for the indicator-plugin btw, both are used by default in xubuntu)
[09:02] <ochosi> cathper: i think so, but i'm not 100% positive
[09:03] <xubuntu179> no i mean the xfpanel plugin to run stuff like gnome-window-picker
[09:04] <ochosi> oh right, yeah, xfapplet is deprecated, that's true
[09:08] <xubuntu179> so does anybody know a way to add a close button to the panel. not the whole stuff like the globalmenu. just a close button like in the ubuntu mid edition
[09:09] <cathper> ochosi: You were right.
[09:56] <baizon> hmm
[09:57] <baizon> is there a way to check if the cpu freq is scaling / changing?
[10:05] <baizon> dmidecode | grep “Current Speed” | head -n 1
[10:05] <baizon> is this right?
[10:05] <baizon> cause then my cpu isnt changing the clock speed anymore :(
[10:24] <baizon> damn it
[10:53] <Kingsy> guys, how do you share folders to a windows network on xubuntu ?
[10:53] <Kingsy> there is no option to do it int he file explorer
[10:59] <gordonjcp> Kingsy: samba
[11:01] <schoppenhauer> hellow. how is it possible to change a toolbar from being on the bottom to being on the top and vice versa (I would like to "swap" the toolbars, and I cannot find an option in the toolbar menu)
[11:04] <Kingsy> gordonjcp: yeah got it.. there is no tool for it, you just have to mount the drive manually in xmb.conf
[11:04] <Kingsy> somb*
[11:04] <Kingsy> ffs you get the idea
[11:06] <gordonjcp> Kingsy: do you mean access files on the Xubuntu machine from Windows machines?
[11:08] <Kingsy> gordonjcp: yeah, its ok I got it working just fine, I was just wondering if there was a GUI tool was all, and there isnt one
[11:08] <gordonjcp> Kingsy: tbh server-y things tend not to have GUIs
[11:09] <Kingsy> yeah.. the smb.conf file was pretty self explanitory.. it even had examples there I could use :) and bang.. restart samaba.. it works
[11:14] <schoppenhauer> ok got it, it is a bit complicated, one has to unlock it first and then lock it again
[12:40] <SandJ> In Xubuntu 11.10, how do I edit the menu options?  I want to add one.
[12:54] <Kingsy> SandJ: applications -> settings -> main menu
[12:58] <SandJ> Kingsy, there is no "main menu" under "settings"
[12:59] <SandJ> Actually, I remember now - there is no menu editor in Xubuntu.  It is something to do with editing .desktop files.
[13:01] <ochosi> SandJ: at least in 12.04 you can edit the menu with alacarte
[13:01] <ochosi> might be that it's also possible in 11.10
[13:01] <ochosi> i just forgot, because i never do that
[13:02] <bluesabre> I was actually having trouble with alacarte.  I cannot get rid of my Wine menu
[13:03] <ochosi> bluesabre: wine's menus are in a separate folder in /home
[13:03] <ochosi> usually in .local/share/applications/
[13:03] <bluesabre> that's what I thought too
[13:03] <bluesabre> I deleted those, menu persists
[13:03] <ochosi> don't ask me why though
[13:03] <ochosi> it's kinda messy
[13:03] <ochosi> that's odd
[13:03] <ochosi> that usually works
[13:03] <bluesabre> I agree
[13:04] <bluesabre> I'll probably log that when I get home
[13:04] <ochosi> mhm
[13:04] <ochosi> btw, i have no problems with hiding the wine-menu with alacarte
[13:04] <ochosi> i just unticked the "show" column for the wine menu and it's gone from the menu
[13:05] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05242012-030516pm.php
[13:06] <bluesabre> Really weird
[13:06] <bluesabre> Time to recreate my profile!
[13:06] <ochosi> :)
[13:06] <ochosi> yeah, sometimes a good idea
[13:06] <ochosi> lots of old cruft if you always keep everything in /home
[13:06] <ochosi> (which i usually still do)
[13:07] <bluesabre> yeah, but I usually reinstall about once a month, so dunno
[13:56] <Kingsy> ochosi: just out of curiousity.. don't you have a windows buttons item on any of your panels?
[13:56] <Kingsy> you use the top panel for everything?
[14:06] <ochosi> Kingsy: you mean the window-button plugin that shows open windows?
[14:14] <Kingsy> well no, its just a panel item
[14:14] <Kingsy> that shows you your open windows..
[14:18] <ochosi> Kingsy: yes, that's what i meant (and said), but to answer your question: yes, i do use that
[14:18] <ochosi> otherwise my top-panel would be rather empty
[14:18] <ochosi> (and i only have 1 panel btw)
[14:19] <drc> like all right thinking people.
[14:39] <tinkerttoy> Hello, everyone! ^^
[14:40] <tinkerttoy> I need a little help with Xubuntu on my laptop. Mine is one of those that has keys for volume control, right?
[14:42] <tinkerttoy> Well, my issue is that, while it changes the volume, it changes the volume of the wrong stream. Instead of my speaker, it changes the volume on my HDMI out. I don't have much PulseAudio knowledge so if anyone could help that would be great!
[14:42] <tinkerttoy> My laptop model is a HP Pavilion g6-1d18dx Notebook PC.
[14:43] <tinkerttoy> And, uh, that's just about it I guess! :3
[14:43] <tinkerttoy> Again, if anyone could help that'd be great.
[14:43] <tinkerttoy> Hello Pen! What do you know about PulseAudio on laptops?
[14:45] <bluesabre> tinkerttoy: Have you looked at Sound Settings in the Sound Menu?
[14:46] <bluesabre> What you might be looking for would be under Output Devices.
[14:46] <bluesabre> Is there more than one device listed?
[14:48] <tinkerttoy> [09:42] <tinkerttoy> Well, my issue is that, while it changes the volume, it changes the volume of the wrong stream. Instead of my speaker, it changes the volume on my HDMI out. I don't have much PulseAudio knowledge so if anyone could help that would be great!
[14:49] <tinkerttoy> "It" being the volume keys on my laptop.
[14:50] <bluesabre> You may just need to click the "Set as fallback" icon in the upper right of the Laptop Speaker output
[14:51] <tinkerttoy> Already tried that, Blue, didn't work.
[14:53] <Sysi> uff, why can't I find the blog who had fix for that..'
[14:56] <tinkerttoy> Remember, the actual audio plays through the proper stream, it's just the keys that go to the wrong stream.
[14:58] <Sysi> you need to change default device/channel in settings editor (not manager)
[14:58] <tinkerttoy> Okay, I've found the proper settings, I think I can figure out how to change this.
[15:02] <g0to> hi
[15:02] <g0to> I've read Thunar is already able to mount remote fie systems
[15:03] <tinkerttoy> Actually, I can't! >< How should I figure out the setting corresponding to the stream I need?
[15:03] <g0to> but using Go->Open location and adding a ssh:// correct address doesn't work for me :S
[15:04] <tinkerttoy> g0to, I'm pretty sure that it doesn't work because ssh isn't a filesystem. Have you tried substituting it with ftp:// ?
[15:04] <Sysi> try sftp instead of ssh, make sure you have gvfs-backends installed
[15:05] <bluesabre> Or go to System > Gigolo and let the gui do it for you :)
[15:05] <g0to> tinkerttoy, so it isn't ftp. Both are protocols to reach a remote system.
[15:06] <g0to> tinkerttoy, I've tried sftp since I have no ftp server running in the target machine
[15:07] <tinkerttoy> Well, I'm pretty sure you'd have to SSH into the server and transfer it back to you from within the console. I'm no expert on networking, though. :P
[15:08] <g0to> Sysi, gvfs-backends is not installed. I believed that it was only needed for Samba (2nd bullet on 2nd point -> http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/)
[15:08] <ochosi> g0to: sftp should work
[15:08] <Sysi> g0to: oh
[15:09] <g0to> bluesabre, ochosi :neither sftp or gigolo do the job but I can access the remote system using CLI ssh
[15:10] <ochosi> g0to: any special parameters you're using or plain "ssh $user@$ip"?
[15:10] <ochosi> you can also try sshfs btw
[15:11] <ochosi> first you'd probably have to install sshfs, then "sshfs user@server:/folder mountpoint"
[15:11] <g0to> ochosi, the regular call but, when I use the Open Location feature, I use sftp://user@machine
[15:13] <ochosi> g0to: that works for me
[15:13] <g0to> ochosi, I'm going to try installing gvfs-backends
[15:14] <ochosi> g0to: hihi, yeah, without that it can't work :)
[15:14] <g0to> time to restart X, see you in a moment
[15:17] <g0to> ochosi, Sysi: it worked. After installing gvfs-backend I can ssh remote machines from Thunar
[15:17] <g0to> \o/
[15:18] <g0to> thanks, guys ;)
[15:18] <ochosi> np
[15:34] <baizon> guys a question... im using jupiter (http://www.jupiterapplet.org/), when i uninstall it the Asus Super Hybrid Engine (SHE) doesnt get the default settings. It stays on the last configuration
[15:34] <baizon> any ideas how to set the default settings?
[15:47] <neronin> I just installed the 64bit version of Xubuntu (uname -a: x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux) But it only think i have 3Gb of ram (Mem:   3083408k total) although i have 4Gb. Any idea why this could be?
[15:48] <baizon> neronin: integrated graphics card?
[15:49] <neronin> baizon, good question, it is a laptop. But i thought the card had its own memory.. I'll double check that
[15:49] <baizon> neronin: mine is integrated and uses 500MB memory :) so i got 3,5GB :)
[15:51] <neronin> Yes it seems i remembered correctly: Graphics Memory Type: ATI - Dedicated 1024Mb
[15:51] <neronin> I assume dedicated means its not taking those 1024 from my RAM, right?
[15:51] <baizon> so you got your answer :)
[15:52] <baizon> 4GB - 1 GB = 3GB :)
[15:52] <neronin> baizon, yes, but what about "Dedicated"?
[15:53] <neronin> Shouldn't it be "shared" if it used the RAM?
[15:53] <baizon> neronin: yes its shared but i allocates the amount of memory
[15:53] <baizon> when im not wrong you can change it in your BIOS
[15:54] <baizon> ...so its static
[15:54] <neronin> baizon, really, thats really shady marketing. I really thought "Dedicated" meant it had it's own memory
[15:55] <Kingsy> speaking of RAM, is it possible to force ubuntu to make more use of the ram? I have 24GB of ram and I swear its never been above 3% :P
[15:55] <Kingsy> it would be nice to see it load alot more stuff into ram.. just cos it can.. and obviously see the benefit with the speed..
[15:56] <neronin> Kingsy, at least with other Linux distros you can load the whole OS into the RAM memory. Not sure how to do it in ubuntu though
[15:56] <baizon> Kingsy: http://ubuntuguide.net/ubuntu-using-ramdisk-for-better-performance-and-fast-response
[15:57] <baizon> and put apps cache etc in there and it will run faster :)
[15:58] <Kingsy> well, I kinda already have a full installation.. will all of this mean a re=installation?
[15:58] <baizon> for example you can put there your browser cache so the webbrowser will run much faster
[15:58] <baizon> Kingsy: no
[15:58] <Kingsy> umm
[15:58] <baizon> Kingsy: search for "ramdisk"
[15:59] <baizon> Kingsy: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html
[15:59] <Kingsy> thanks
[15:59] <baizon> np
[15:59] <baizon> neronin: try to boot into your bios and change the amout of vram :)
[16:00] <neronin> baizon, I still think dedicated means the card has its own memory
[16:00] <neronin> "Dedicated and shared memory are exactly what they sound like: dedicated memory is memory, usually embedded on the graphics card itself, that is used only by the graphics card. Shared memory means that the graphics card uses system memory (RAM)"
[16:00] <Kingsy> bbl
[16:01] <neronin> baizon, I'll reboot and check the bios
[16:01] <baizon> neronin: ok so check it
[16:01] <baizon> damn
[16:08] <neronin> baizon, Ok problem solved. I only had 3Gb of RAM :)
[16:08] <baizon> :D
[16:08] <neronin> I was sure i had 4.. :)
[16:08] <baizon> and your right
[16:09] <baizon> dedicated means own
[16:09] <neronin> well...Then at least we learned that dedicated at least means its on the graphics card
[16:09] <baizon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_adapter#GPU_forms
[16:44] <havane31> hi everybody
[16:45] <havane31> i need some help, xubuntu boot is too slow
[17:52] <formas> hello guys
[17:53] <formas> I have a doubt about xubuntu, somone could help me
[17:54] <Spike29> formas: sure
[17:55] <formas> OK. I have three users or sesions example alumno, admin and another if I want to boot alumno
[17:55] <formas> How can do this?
[17:56] <knome> formas, please don't enable the root account
[17:56] <knome> formas, rather, use the sudoers -file to give sudo access to any users who need root access
[17:56] <formas> In ubuntu ther is Login screen to configure
[17:57] <knome> formas, applications -> system -> users and groups
[17:59] <formas> OK I going to try it
[18:05] <doc|home> hey, have upgraded to 12.04 and now dialog text and the like have a practically invisible colour for the theme I'm using (Albatros). Anyone know how to fix this?
[18:07] <knome> doc|home, see #9 at http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/
[18:08] <doc|home> knome: great, thanks, seems like a bug that should never have happened in the first place
[18:08] <knome> doc|home, yeah - but gtk3 happened :)
[18:09] <doc|home> I prefer the look of albatross :/
[18:09] <doc|home> oh well
[18:10] <knome> we're working on porting it to gtk3, but that will take some time
[18:10] <doc|home> ok, thanks
[18:10] <knome> np
[18:22] <xubuntu756> sALVE!!!!!!!111
[18:53] <rbrt> good afternoon
[19:35] <xubuntu037> Hi
[19:35] <xubuntu037> Which version of XFCE comes with Xubuntu 12.04?
[19:36] <bluesabre> 4.8
[19:59] <Guest31378> hi
[19:59] <Unit193> !hi
[20:00] <Guest31378> excuse me
[20:00] <Guest31378> i need some help
[20:00] <Guest31378> can you readme¿
[20:01] <Unit193> Yes.
[20:01] <Guest31378> well
[20:02] <Guest31378> i downloaded a 32bit alternate version of xubuntu...
[20:03] <Guest31378> i thank that it was live
[20:03] <xubuntu037> thank you
[20:04] <Guest31378> but when i start xubuntu on pendrive
[20:05] <Guest31378> it try to install complete
[20:05] <Guest31378> and i need only livecd version
[20:07] <Guest31378> do you understand me?
[20:08] <drc> You dowkoaded the alternate version of Xubuntu, installed it on a pendrive, booted it and it did not boot to a live version and you really need a live version?
[20:08] <drc> downloaded
[20:11] <Guest31378> yes
[20:12] <Guest31378> from here: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[20:12] <drc> I don't think the alternate version has a "live version", that's why it takes so little ram to install
[20:13] <Guest31378> is there any version live?
[20:13] <drc> At the URL you posted, choose "desktop"
[20:14] <Guest31378> really?
[20:14] <drc> yes
[20:15] <Guest31378> well i'm going to try it
[20:15] <Guest31378> thank you so much
[20:15] <drc> no problem...enjoy xubuntu
[20:16] <Guest31378> and...
[20:18] <Guest31378> with xubuntu, can i view, save and load file en XFS format hard disk?
[20:21] <drc> I have never done it, but http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=xubuntu says yes.
[20:23] <Guest31378> ok, thanks
[21:53] <Zhyl> hi quick question
[21:54] <Zhyl> just installed xubuntu 11.10 on a dell inspiron 1525 and now the mouse isn't working and wired ethernet connections aren't connecting to the net
[21:54] <Zhyl> not really sure what to do


[00:41] <frecel> popey: I read all pings on IRC when I come back from work so if you need anything just write it and I'll read it when I can
[02:42] <liuxg> does anyone know how to fix the orientation of an QML application? thanks
[03:35] <mhall119> liuxg: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.MainView/#automaticOrientation-prop
[03:36] <liuxg> mhall119, thanks for your reply. But I would like it to be horizontal display in the first place.
[03:37] <liuxg> mhall119, it is auto, meaning that it could be portrait mode as well. Some of the games may like to  be in the landscape mode, for example the car racing game.
[05:28] <dholbach> good morning
[06:50] <dpm> mardy, good morning. Sorry to keep pinging you on that, but I'd like to have this fixed for Evernote to review the API keys. I'm still not able to add an account with the latest changes suggested, still getting the blank Accounts screen. Do you spot anything unexpected on this latest click? -> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.reminders_0.5.230_armhf.click
[06:51] <mardy> dpm: hi! Did you try with a fresh image (wiping user data)?
[06:52] <mardy> dpm: I'm asking this, because even 0.5.229 was working for me (it has some other issues, but the account creation was working)
[06:52] <mardy> s/has/had/
[06:56] <DanChapman_> ogra_: hey :-) yes the haptic feedback should be fixed in the next release. tbh I hadn't even noticed it wasn't working :-/
[06:58] <dpm> mardy, hm, I'm using the device as my main phone, I wouldn't be too fond of wiping user data. Is there not another alternative? No way to debug why the blank screen is showing up?
[06:59] <mardy> dpm: well, yes, the usual way:
[06:59] <mardy> export OAU_LOGGING_LEVEL=2
[07:00] <mardy> export OAU_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999
[07:00] <mardy> killall online-accounts-service
[07:00] <mardy> online-accounts-service
[07:00] <mardy> then try again
[07:06] <dpm> mardy, actually, no need to wipe the device, I'll test on an emulator
[07:42] <davidcalle> Morning all
[07:42] <justCarakas> morning
[08:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Psychotherapy Day! :-D
[08:07] <JamesTait> dpm, code fix for localised departments and highlights in click index landed last night - just need to upload the translations now!
[08:11] <mardy> dpm: any luck?
[09:04] <dpm> JamesTait, awesome!
[09:05] <dpm> mardy, I left the emulator creation running while I was doing something else. It's finished now, so I'll give it a go
[09:07] <DanChapman> popey: morning :-), how can i trigger a rebuild for https://code.launchpad.net/~dpniel/ubuntu-weather-app/timezonePlugin/+merge/235389
[09:08] <popey> i can
[09:08] <popey> running now
[09:09] <DanChapman> popey, great... thankyou
[09:10] <popey> failed again
[09:10] <popey> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic-weather-app-python3/12/console
[09:16] <popey> DanChapman: merge trunk?
[09:16] <DanChapman> popey: yeah forgot about that, just doing it now.
[09:25] <DanChapman> popey i don't get why it's failing on qtdeclarative5-dev being an unmet dependency. Could you get someone to take a look at it for me please?
[09:29] <popey> dpkg-buildpackage: source distribution raring
[09:29] <popey> thats why
[09:29] <popey> should be building on utopic i think
[09:29]  * popey asks in -ci-eng
[09:35] <mihir> nik90: hey
[09:40] <popey> DanChapman: try changing the control file and bump from raring to utopic?
[09:51] <dpm> mardy, good news: on the emulator, starting Reminders and clicking on "Add account" worked. However, after logging into Evernote, the app does not detect that there is an Evernote account. I.e. u-s-s-o-a returns to the app, but the app still prompts to add an account (previously it just loaded the account's notes directly). On u-s-s-o-a accounts I see the account, but no app is authorized to access the account: http://i.imgur.com/7o3Ax5B.png
[09:51] <dpm> so progress, but still no joy
[10:08] <vitimiti> hi
[10:09] <DanChapman> popey: still the same after bumping to utopic http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic-weather-app-python3/14/console
[10:22] <mihir> zsombi1: ping
[10:46] <popey> DanChapman: wanna join us in -ci-eng ?
[11:00] <zsombi1> mihir: pong
[11:02] <dpm> oSoMoN, wow, not sure if you've seen this video, but the browser demo around minute 7 is incredibly fast! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOuSfdCxekQ
[11:03] <dpm> well, at least to load
[11:03] <dpm> then the guy goes on to point some flaws
[11:06] <mihir> zsombi1: for tagging filters  in event , we should use this in DetailFeildFilter , is that correct , http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtOrganizer.Tag/ ?
[11:07] <mihir> zsombi1: we are filtering using this http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtOrganizer.DetailFieldFilter/
[11:07] <zsombi1> mihir: I guess so... renato___ might know more
[11:08] <mardy> dpm: OK, that is what I had with 0.5.229
[11:08] <mardy> dpm: I'll try the latest one soon
[11:08] <dpm> mardy, ok, thanks. The link is here if you need it handy: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.reminders_0.5.230_armhf.click
[11:10] <dpm> or here if you want to give it a go on the emulator: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.reminders_0.5.230_i386.click
[11:13] <mardy> dpm: the manifest file still has "account-service": "share/accounts/services/com.ubuntu.reminders_evernote-account-plugin.service"...
[11:13] <dpm> argh
[11:13] <mardy> :-)
[11:13] <mardy> so it was not getting installed
[11:16] <oSoMoN> dpm, thanks for the link! the browser loads really fast indeed, well done me :) my Italian is a bit rusty but I understand that the guy seems very disappointed by the rendering of theverge.com, I’m seeing something similar on krillin, to some extent, but not that bad
[11:22] <mihir> renato___: you about ?
[11:31] <dpm> mardy, I'm about to give up. I fixed the manifest, but still no way to grant access to Reminders to the account: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.reminders_0.5.231_armhf.click
[11:35] <mardy> dpm: share/accounts/services/com.ubuntu.reminders_reminder.service
[11:35] <mardy> dpm: should be share/accounts/services/com.ubuntu.reminders_reminders.service
[11:35] <mardy> :-)
[11:36] <dpm> please excuse me while I go bang my head against the desk...
[11:37] <mardy> dpm: np :-)
[11:37] <mardy> happens to me all the time
[11:37] <mardy> (that's why the first thing I do when reviewing others' code is checking for spelling mistakes :-) )
[11:38] <popey> nik90: testing your location finding click
[11:38] <popey> "Location Service Error!" in the clock
[11:39] <nik90> popey: did you follow the steps in the MP description?
[11:39] <nik90> popey: also which image and channel?
[11:39] <popey> of course not! ☻
[11:39]  * popey looks for the merge
[11:39] <nik90> popey: https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/implement-location-finding/+merge/231793
[11:39] <popey> ta
[11:40] <popey> ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed 255
[11:40] <popey> lemme go through that merge
[11:40]  * nik90 looks at http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/ta
[11:40] <nik90> uk slang :P
[11:41] <popey> hehe
[11:41] <popey> it's often the first word a baby is taught
[11:41] <popey> "Say taaaaaah"
[11:41] <nik90> I kept wondering what the hell "ta" meant everytime I saw you use it..I guess I know now
[11:41] <popey> both my kids, their first word was "cat"
[11:41] <nik90> hehe
[11:41] <ogra_> thats proper !
[11:44] <popey> nik90: did the prep steps, rebooted phone, opened clock, "Location service error!"
[11:44] <nik90> popey: can you close clock and run "sudo start ubuntu-location-service" then reopen clock
[11:45] <nik90> popey: btw did you get the location access prompt at all?
[11:45] <popey> yes
[11:45] <popey> i did
[11:45] <nik90> eh strange
[11:45] <popey> start: Job is already running: ubuntu-location-service
[11:45] <popey> still same
[11:45] <nik90> meh I need to reflash my phone back to utopic to test this out :/
[11:48] <nik90> popey: I will report back in about 30 mins
[11:48] <dpm> mardy, success! I could get it to work on the emulator. Now I just need to figure out if it works on my phone and if it works on the packaged .debs to pass the Jenkins tests
[11:51] <mardy> dpm: it's probably because libaccounts is caching the wrong .service files
[11:53] <mardy> dpm: do "sqlite3 ~/.config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db"
[11:53] <mardy> dpm: then give the ".dump" command, and paste the output (there shouldn't be a lot of sensitive info, just your account names)
[11:55] <dpm> ok, cool, just upgrading my phone
[12:03] <frecel> popey: I know how improbable this sounds but I promise this is not a bot and I really am up at six o'clock in the morning
[12:03] <popey> :D
[12:03] <popey> hello frecel
[12:04] <frecel> you needed something yesterday?
[12:04] <popey> yeah, you have pm ☻
[12:06] <mihir> zsombi1: okay , i'll speak to renato___ once he is around
[12:06] <frecel> done
[12:07] <popey> thanks frecel !
[12:08] <frecel> popey: you have no option to do it yourself or were you just being polite?
[12:09] <popey> i do have the option to do it myself, yes
[12:09] <popey> but i think that's rude ☻
[12:11] <frecel> Well it would be if I wasn't informed about it before but since we had a conversation about it a while back I wouldn't care if you unpublished it yourself
[12:27] <dpm> mardy, here's the output of the commands, not sure if the logging is right, couldn't manage to kill the UOA service (no killall command on the rtm distro, pidof returns nothing for u-o-a-s) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8425156/
[12:27] <dpm> although L14 looks suspicious
[12:28] <dpm> and L15 even more
[12:29] <mardy> dpm: L14 is the problem, it looks like it cannot load the Evernote plugin
[12:29] <mardy> dpm: what version of ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts are you running?
[12:30] <dpm> mardy, 0.4+14.10.20140908~rtm-0ubuntu1
[12:31] <mardy> dpm: you need 0.4+14.10.20140917-0ubuntu1
[12:32] <dpm> mardy, aha - do you know when that is going to be uploaded to ubuntu-rtm?
[12:33] <mihir> popey: can we get store update for calendar tomorrow eod ?
[12:33] <mihir> popey: there are couple of MR pending i'll close them and then we can push it for again weekend testing :)
[12:34] <popey> mihir: we sure can!
[12:34] <mihir> popey: great :)
[12:34] <popey> I'll be afk on a train tomorrow, but if you ping balloons he can do the necessary
[12:34] <popey> (I actually can't upload but he can)
[12:36] <mardy> dpm: no, let's ask dbarth
[12:39] <renato___> mihir, hi
[12:39] <mihir> hey renato___
[12:40] <renato___> mihir, what do you need?
[12:41] <mihir> renato___: we were suppose to exclude disabled alarm from the filters
[12:41] <mihir> renato___: so for tag filters ,  i did try this but i couldn't find proper syntax to do that , http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtOrganizer.Tag/
[12:42] <mihir> renato___: for more info, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1361702
[12:42] <mihir> renato___: as we are filtering events using http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtOrganizer.DetailFieldFilter/
[12:42] <renato___> mihir, alarms are different from events
[12:43] <renato___> mihir, each event can or can not have a alarm attached to it
[12:43] <mihir> nik90: ^^
[12:43] <renato___> mihir, I believe that, if the event has a alarm attached it should be handle as a normal alarm
[12:44] <nik90> actually zsombi1 ^^
[12:44] <mihir> renato___: the issue is , if the alaram is disabled , it shows up in calendar notification like this
[12:44] <mihir> renato___: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/183212190/disabled-alarm.png [2] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/183212222/calendarevent.png
[12:45] <mihir> renato___:  as per yesterday's discussion with zsombi1 and charles we have to change filters in calendar
[12:47] <renato___> mihir, anyway you can filter alarms created by the sdk alarm API using the organizer filters
[12:47] <mihir> renato___: okay thanks. I'll try that and will let you know.
[12:47] <renato___> since but you need a way to diff these events from a normal event
[12:47] <renato___> how do you intend to do that?
[12:48] <mihir> renato___: as they have added tags to disabled alarams , so i guess we can exclude all disabled alarms with tag
[12:49] <renato___> mihir, in this case you will exclude only disabled events
[12:49] <renato___> mihir, do you want to exclude all events?
[12:50] <mihir> renato___: this is what we conclude yesterday, 2. ubuntu-calendar-app will ignore / not show anything with the "x-canonical-alarm" tag
[12:50] <dpm> thanks mardy
[12:50] <renato___> mihir, ok this is easy
[12:51] <renato___> mihir, just use a union or intersection filter with your current filter and a new detail Filter
[12:51] <mihir> renato___: okay , so we can modify this http://paste.ubuntu.com/8425302/
[12:52] <mihir> and add one more Detail filter :)
[12:55] <renato___> mihir, well a bit more complex than that. Since there is no "matchFlag" for different
[12:55] <renato___> let me think about it
[12:58] <mihir> renato___: Ohh hmm okay.
[13:01] <renato___> mihir, I am not sure how to do this filter :D
[13:01] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi, I put 2 UI concept images in that folder
[13:01] <mzanetti> mivoligo: cool, thanks
[13:02] <mihir> renato___: ahhh :( can't we just add tags to each filter and exclude them
[13:02] <mzanetti> mivoligo: looks nice. how would this work if there are already multiple level packs installed?
[13:03] <renato___> mihir, I did not find a way to create a filter that exclude a event with specific detail
[13:03] <mivoligo> mzanetti: let me know if you understand what's going on on them, I did't put any description :P
[13:03] <mivoligo> mzanetti: instead of + it will be >
[13:03] <renato___> mihir, o short time solution will be make this evens invisible on the UI
[13:03] <mivoligo> and + after the last levelpack
[13:04] <renato___> mihir, something like "visible: tag != "x-alarm""
[13:04] <mzanetti> mivoligo: should this be some sort of carousel, or buttons?
[13:04] <mivoligo> mzanetti: can it be both?
[13:04] <mzanetti> sure
[13:04] <renato___> looks like a missing feature on QtOrganizer
[13:04] <mivoligo> :)
[13:04] <mihir> renato___: then that fix should be in UI :P
[13:05] <mzanetti> mivoligo: ok. one thing: it misses the difficulty selection
[13:05] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I'll put settings in separate window
[13:05] <renato___> mihir, until we have a proper solution on QtOrganizer, but this will take a while since we need to propose a API change
[13:05] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hmm... I don't consider difficulty being a setting tbh... more like a selection of what to play
[13:06] <mihir> zsombi1: charles ^^
[13:06] <renato___> I will try discuss that with qt guys, to see if they have a solution for that
[13:06] <zsombi1> mihir: ??
[13:06] <mzanetti> mihir: like if you completed the game on easy, you select "medium" and re-enter the level pack, everything will be locked again
[13:06] <mzanetti> mivoligo: ^
[13:07] <mzanetti> mihir: sorry again...
[13:07] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hmm.. in my view you'll be able to have different settings for different levelpacks
[13:07] <mihir> zsombi1: renato___ said that we'll have to do that from UI way , until we have proper solution from QtOrganizer
[13:08] <zsombi1> mihir: filtering out the tag? yes, we said that also
[13:08] <zsombi1> mihir: renato___: we will drop QtOrganizer alarm backend when we get a datetime indicator API in place
[13:08] <mihir> zsombi1: yes...if you can read conversation  between me and renato___ in above few lines
[13:09] <zsombi1> mihir: renato___: so we need a solution that works now
[13:09] <mzanetti> mivoligo: but its not really a setting... I think I'd really like to have the difficulty selection at the same page as the level pack selection... unless you totally disagree...
[13:09] <zsombi1> mihir: I read it
[13:09] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I'm afraid people will miss it otherwise too
[13:09] <renato___> zsombi1, I sugest something like: "visible: tag != "x-alarm""
[13:10] <zsombi1> renato___: ok, that's good to me, actually it has to be OK for calendar app...
[13:10] <renato___> mihir, zsombi1 or you can filter only events with empty tags. But this is not safe
[13:10] <mihir> renato___: that would be little risky i believe
[13:11] <zsombi1> renato___: I do not need to filter anything. Every alarm has a tag: x-canonical-alarm set, and an additional one if it's disabled
[13:11] <renato___> zsombi1, the problems is that I did not find a way to create a filter where you exclude a value from the filter . you can only add values
[13:11] <zsombi1> renato___: mihir: so it is safe if you say an item is an alarm if the x-canonical-alarm tag is there
[13:12] <zsombi1> renato___: I saw that... and that's bad...
[13:12] <renato___> zsombi1, yes I know
[13:13] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hmm, what would you say if a player could select difficulty after hitting "play"?
[13:14] <mzanetti> mivoligo: would work, but must happen before the level selection screen is loaded
[13:15] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I personally would probably still put it on the same screen...
[13:15] <mzanetti> otherwise we have to add a new page step just for that
[13:15] <mihir> so renato___ i am not sure if from unionFilter we intersect this filter , i am not sure
[13:18] <mivoligo> mzanetti: you're right
[13:20] <mivoligo> mzanetti: so what we leave in settings would be: sound volume for effects, sound volume for soundtrack and reset score, right?
[13:21] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yeah... I think we should also have the other options... but just not show them by default
[13:22] <mzanetti> mivoligo: but for example if you press a couple of times on the icon in the about dialog you'll enter level pack creator mode
[13:22] <mzanetti> which would enable the other options too
[13:22] <mzanetti> and tell people in the level pack creation tutorial how to enable that for easy testing
[13:23] <mzanetti> or at least show them if you manually build the game for the desktop, which is most likely where you're creating the levels anyways
[13:24] <mivoligo> mzanetti: or we can put that enabling option in the tutorial
[13:24] <mzanetti> or that, yeah... fine with me too... depends a bit on what the turorial will look like
[13:24] <mzanetti> I thought about opening the browser with a link to my blog
[13:25] <mzanetti> and do the actual tutorial on a website
[13:25] <mivoligo> me too
[13:27] <mzanetti> mivoligo: here's the draft I'm working on: http://notyetthere.org/?p=421&preview=true
[13:27] <mzanetti> not sure if that link works for you
[13:28] <mzanetti> slightly outdated already...
[13:29] <mivoligo> mzanetti: Not Found
[13:31] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hmm yeah, its just a draft, not published yet
[13:31] <mzanetti> I think only when logged in as the editing user you can see it
[13:31] <mzanetti> mivoligo: well, not that important right now anyways
[13:32] <mivoligo> ok
[13:32] <mihir> zsombi1: so are we going for change in UI ?
[13:32] <zsombi1> mihir: looks like... .if you have the model in UI, then you have to change that...
[13:41] <mihir> zsombi1: that is in datetime-indicator right , i got lil confuse though sorry about that
[13:42] <zsombi1> mihir: me too... when U say UI, what are you referring to? UI is the User Interface of an app, a module, etc
[13:42] <zsombi1> mihir: so your app has a UI as well...
[13:43] <mihir> zsombi1: as I have understood renato___ suggested to change indicator UI (Not calendar-app)  and make visible false which has tag
[13:43] <zsombi1> mihir: hehh???!
[13:44] <renato___> mihir, I was suggesting to change the app
[13:44] <zsombi1> mihir: ^
[13:44] <mihir> renato___: ahh , got it :| i mis understood
[13:44] <zsombi1> mihir: sorry, i though the same way as renato___ :)
[13:44] <mihir> zsombi1: renato___ sorry i miss understood  :)
[13:45] <renato___> mihir, on the event delegate make it invisible if it is a alarm
[13:45] <mihir> renato___: okay got it now :)
[13:46] <mihir> zsombi1: sorry for the confusion :|
[13:47] <zsombi1> mihir: np :) it happens....
[13:56] <dpm> JamesTait, I've just seen your G+ post, nice work! Are all translations uploaded now? I can still see the departments in English only
[13:57] <JamesTait> dpm, I think we have Spanish translations uploaded, plus the one string I had to update for British English.
[13:58]  * JamesTait switches his phone to Spanish and reboots.
[13:58] <dpm> JamesTait, could we upload all the languages from LP? (I'm using Catalan, not Spanish)
[14:00] <JamesTait> dpm, we can, and will, of course. :) It's just a manual process atm, and we only have a limited number of people with the appropriate privileges.
[14:00] <dpm> oh I see
[14:01] <dpm> JamesTait, have you figured out a good way to do the uploads? Are you converting the .po files to SQL, or how did you end up doing it?
[14:02] <JamesTait> dpm, we haven't automated it at all yet - it's busywork atm, but obviously that's not sustainable. We will be improving the process, we just haven't fleshed out exactly how yet.
[14:03] <dpm> JamesTait, ok, no worries, just asking out of curiosity
[14:05] <JamesTait> dpm, not a problem. :)
[14:05]  * zsombi1 eod
[14:07] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I put some ideas in the folder
[14:08] <mzanetti> mivoligo: cool. quite busy atm. will look at it tonight
[14:08] <mivoligo> mzanetti: no problem :)
[14:16] <dpm> balloons, it seems on this branch Jenkins keeps complaining about an invalid xml file, did you find out what it could be? https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/reminders-app/account-click/+merge/230768
[14:20] <balloons> dpm, fginther ack'd the problem yesterday, but I never saw a resolution. Regardless we know the tests that are showing the issue; it's with the account setup. That might also be causing issues
[14:20] <balloons> you can still see some of the run in the console
[14:22] <balloons> so what we can do is propose a seperate MP to fix the issue and see if jenkins is happy with that, then land yours
[14:22] <balloons> but ohh right, technically you are breaking something
[14:24] <dpm> popey, balloons, could one of you top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-rssreader-app/fix-desktop-i18n/+merge/235970 and initiate a shorts upload to the store? It's the last app remaining to fix the .desktop files localization bug that vrruiz has been chasing for a while
[14:24] <popey> ya
[14:25] <popey> joey beat you to it
[14:25] <balloons> nice
[14:25] <fginther> balloons, dpm, the tests are hitting a general purpose timeout in the job. Are the reminders tests expected to take a long time?
[14:26] <fginther> reminders.tests.test_credentials.EvernoteCredentialsTestCase.test_add_evernote_account_must_set_provider is taking 20 minutes alont
[14:26] <balloons> fginther, ack, that makes sense. As I was saying to dpm, the tests on that MP just locks up forever
[14:27] <dpm> I wouldn't expect the test to take that long, no idea why it needs 20 mins
[14:28] <fginther> there's an exception and backtrace in that test, that appears to be where the 20 minutes disappears
[14:32] <balloons> dpm, the tests are not actually running for the testwithaccount tests, they lock up during account creation. It's an old bug we had that we think might have been due to a race condition. But it's no longer present in trunk
[14:33] <balloons> the process is forked and it always seemed like if the child process died for some reason the parent continues to wait
[14:33] <dpm> balloons, so you mean in that branch I've resurrected the issue?
[14:42] <balloons> dpm, yea it appears so. I was assuming it affected everything, but I remember you saying other things are landing fine
[14:42] <balloons> let me play with your actual branch vs trunk and see
[14:44] <dpm> ok, thanks balloons
[15:15] <dpm> ahayzen, do you think we should mark bug 1370874 as invalid for Music? As in, it's not something that can be fixed in the app, it needs to be fixed in the platform, right?
[15:16] <ahayzen> dpm, probably :) i'll do that
[15:16]  * ahayzen has been playing about with a bluetooth speaker lately finding/confirming bugs :)
[15:17] <ahayzen> dpm, done
[15:17] <ahayzen> dpm, i think i poked rsalveti about that bug so i think it is on his list IIRC
[15:25] <dpm> hi m-b-o! thanks for your comments on bug/1355835 - I think for now, I'd suggest to make the links to be to the mobile site, and in parallel I can initiate a conversation with TWC to fix it on their side
[15:25] <dpm> bug 1355835
[15:26] <m-b-o> dpm: yes, I think taht would be ok!
[15:27] <m-b-o> dpm: assigned it to me, will make a fix in the coming days
[15:27] <dpm> awesome, thanks m-b-o!
[15:27] <dpm> done
[15:28] <m-b-o> dpm thanks! :)
[15:33] <ahayzen_> dpm, sorry i joined a vpn and disappeared so may have missed any further messages
[15:39] <t1mp> dpm: heh.. weather forecast in spanish is simple, just make it "cálido y soleado" :p
[15:39]  * t1mp is glad to be in barcelona now :) almost don't need a weather forecast anymore
[15:43] <dpm> t1mp, I'll be in BCN tomorrow, is the wheather nice atm?
[15:43] <dpm> ahayzen_, no worries, didn't say anything else :)
[15:43] <ahayzen_> dpm, cool :)
[15:48] <t1mp> dpm: not as warm as next week, and some times a bit cloudy, but for my (Dutch) standards still very good :)
[15:48] <t1mp> dpm: no need for long sleeves or trousers
[15:48] <dpm> t1mp, so you're around in underwear?
[15:49] <dpm> I generally wear the trousers, even in Barcelona
[15:49] <t1mp> dpm: and the sea water is warm enough for swimming :) I went camping next to the beach a week ago
[15:49] <t1mp> dpm: parse like this: "long (sleeves or trousers)". :) I wear shorts
[15:50] <dpm> ;)
[16:03] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hey, looking at the images. looks good!
[16:07] <mzanetti> mivoligo: should I just use the first level and paint the name/logo on top?
[16:07] <mzanetti> mivoligo: or better shipping the whole image as is as part of the level pack?
[16:07] <mzanetti> probably the latter
[16:23] <dpm> balloons, popey, I need to go in a few mins, can I leave the shorts update to the store in your hands?
[16:24] <popey> dpm: I can't, balloons can.
[16:24] <ahayzen_> elopio, when you have a moment do you mind casting your eye over this again? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/add-url-dispatcher-tests/+merge/233840
[16:24] <balloons> mwaaha.. power
[16:26] <balloons> that said, dpm jenkins is down for maintenance atm
[16:26] <balloons> we'lll build and release once it's back up
[16:29] <dpm-afk> balloons, cool, thanks
[16:44] <elopio> ahayzen_: on it.
[16:45] <nik90> elopio: can you ping me later when you are free
[16:45] <ahayzen_> elopio, sweet thanks... i now just need to figure out how to double check it is working on my device as for me running album:// music:// starts the facebook app rather than music lol i must have broken something somewhere aha
[16:45] <elopio> nik90: pong. I have two eyes :)
[16:45] <elopio> your branch is on my other tab.
[16:46] <nik90> elopio: :) the test failed for 2 reason, the first being a missing dependency which is strange since AP tests pass on that exact page. Second is a genuine failure which I can fix rather quickly.
[16:46] <nik90> elopio: The one I need your help with is the missing dependency issue.
[16:47] <elopio> nik90: the tests are run during the build, so you need to add the deps on the first section of the debian/control.
[16:47] <elopio> the autopilot tests are run after the package has been installed, so it has a different set of packages.
[16:47] <nik90> ah ok
[16:48] <elopio> I will check the error to see which package you are missing.
[16:48] <elopio> I have been doing this on trial and error for a month. I was hoping to get better identifying the deps over time, but I'm still bad at it :)
[16:49] <nik90> I am missing Qt.labs.folderlistmodel apparently
[16:49] <nik90> even though I don't see it listed as being a dep of the clock app nor AP test. but I will investigate further
[16:52] <elopio> ahayzen_: as you added the decorator to the url dispatcher call, you don't need
[16:52] <elopio> 235	+ logger.debug("Calling URL Dispatcher - " + path)
[16:52] <ahayzen_> elopio, ah yes good spot ;)
[16:53] <elopio> ahayzen_: and last pita comment, pep8 recommends to capitalize all the letter of an abbreviation.
[16:54] <elopio> so URLDispatcher instead of UrlDispatcher.
[16:54] <ahayzen_> elopio, ah yes ok i'll do that
[16:54] <elopio> ahayzen_: I'm really happy with your python code. I don't know much about the QML code, so it would be safer if you get somebody to review that part.
[16:55] <ahayzen_> elopio, yeah i'm gonna try and get victor to check it as well as i need someone else to confirm the tests actually run and pass
[16:55] <ahayzen_> elopio, thanks for the review :)
[16:55] <elopio> np.
[16:56] <charles> renato___, what did you and mihir and zsombi agree on?
[17:07] <elopio> nik90: is that centerOf function coming from UbuntuTestCase ?
[17:22] <mihir> Akiva-Thinkpad: ping
[17:22] <mihir> Akiva-Thinkpad: you about ?
[17:24] <nik90> elopio: yes
[17:25] <mihir> nik90: can you do one eye check on this code , i have done it from my side if you get couple of mins
[17:25] <mihir> https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/ubuntu-calendar-app/All-Day-Events-Button/+merge/235396
[17:35] <ahayzen_> balloons, ping
[17:35] <nik90> mihir: I can't today
[17:36] <mihir> nik90: no issues :)
[17:36] <nik90> sry
[17:36] <mihir> nik90: no need of that :) i just did that , but wanted to double check nothing else :)
[17:36] <nik90> ah ok
[17:37] <mihir> :)
[17:41] <balloons> ahayzen_, pong
[17:41] <ahayzen_> balloons, Recently i have seen two separate failures on jenkins, both passed with reruns. But they are both from a similar action, when selecting a listitem action. It looks like they either missed clicking the button or nothing happened? Do you think they are worth investigating?
[17:42] <ahayzen_> balloons, these are the two failures http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/music-app-autolanding/612/console http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/music-app-autolanding/604/console
[17:42] <balloons> ahayzen_, we don't like inconsistencies
[17:42] <ahayzen_> balloons, My current theory is that the listitem is doing that bounce animation and it gets the X pos at the wrong time, so maybe a wait for a property may help? Do you think that is plausible or does this look like autopilot itself or something else?
[17:42]  * balloons looks
[17:42] <ahayzen_> balloons, if you watch the videos on them u can see it attempt to click but nothing happens
[17:43] <balloons> ahayzen_, ahh, that animation isn't accounted for
[17:43] <ahayzen_> balloons, i think maybe not
[17:43] <balloons> and you are using a helper for this right?
[17:43] <ahayzen_> balloons, yep there is a helper so it should be easy to add :)
[17:44] <ahayzen_> balloons, yeah swipe_reveal_actions() ends with the pointing_device.drag() so i guess that needs to wait until the animation has finished?
[17:46] <ahayzen_> balloons, ok i'll create an mp to add a wait :)
[17:47] <balloons> ahayzen_, ohh excellent. I agreee it's not accounted for and it should be
[17:48] <ahayzen_> balloons, we want an all green ap board :)
[17:48] <ahayzen_> *forever* lol
[17:48] <seb128> what's the qt api to parse .desktop?
[17:48] <seb128> if that's QSettings, is there a way to query for localized values?
[17:48] <seb128> like value("Name") to return the Name[current_locale]
[17:55] <ahayzen_> balloons, putting an objectName on an UbuntuNumberAnimation should be accessible from autopilot right?
[17:57] <ahayzen_> balloons, on no worries found there is actually an alias from the upstream component...
[17:58] <balloons> ahayzen_, ahh yea, that's what I was going to guess
[18:06] <ahayzen_> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/ap-wait-for-bounce-animation/+merge/236019 \o/ now to see what jenkins thinks
[18:09] <balloons> awesomesauce
[18:09] <ahayzen_> :)
[18:22] <ahayzen_> balloons, guess we'll want to push to the store again soon as the CI fix landed last night... do we wait for ^^ mp to land first for extra goodness?
[18:26] <balloons> ahayzen_, I'll wait for this mp
[18:27] <ahayzen_> balloons, cool thanks
[18:27] <ahayzen_> balloons, would be good to be green again on CI :)
[18:30] <mihir> Akiva-Thinkpad: you there?
[18:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> mihir, yep
[18:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> x : type [18:30] <Akiva-Thinkpad> got it
[18:30] <mihir> Akiva-Thinkpad: :D that's quick fix :)
[18:34] <ahayzen_> balloons, hmmm that mp got approved by jenkins do we just top approve it between us or wait for victor to come along? it is quite a small change
[18:34] <balloons> ahayzen_, yea, it's trivial.
[18:35] <ahayzen_> balloons, cool done :)
[18:48] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I was thinking about putting the image of last unlocked level and on top of it some artwork characteristic to a levelpack.
[18:50] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hmm... I think we have a bit of a problem then.. Or I misunderstood your sketches.
[18:51] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I would have pushed a proposal for the main screen implementation. do you have a bit of time to try it?
[18:51] <mzanetti> mivoligo: as its not really working yet I pushed to to: lp:~mzanetti/machines-vs-machines/carousel-test
[18:52] <mivoligo> mzanetti: not at the moment, kids occupying my computer :D
[18:53] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I'll be back later I hope
[18:53] <mzanetti> ok. let me know. I need to give a bit instructions on how to try that branch
[18:54] <mzanetti> mivoligo: btw, I have 6 different songs now. one for each world
[18:54] <mzanetti> probably need to reorder enemies a bit. so that we have blue enemies only in the dark worlds to fit the somewhat darker music theme etc
[18:57] <nik90> mzanetti: hey, would you some time to provide a second opinion on an MP? You don't need to review the entire MP but rather just the overall theme.
[18:57] <mzanetti> nik90: hit me
[18:58] <nik90> 8:57 PM <nik90> mzanetti: I wrote a feature qml test at https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-feature-qml-tests/+merge/235940
[18:58] <nik90> 8:58 PM <nik90> mzanetti: it checks the creation of alarms and is rather different from the usual qml unit tests I wrote
[18:59] <nik90> my irc client was lagging behind
[18:59] <ahayzen_> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/ap-wait-for-bounce-animation/+merge/236019 has landed please push to the store when you have a moment!
[18:59] <nik90> mzanetti: elopio feels it might be better to write it in AP since it is a bit complex and so I wanted to know if I am doing it correct
[19:00] <nik90> mzanetti: look at only tst_alarm.qml...ignore the rest in the MP
[19:01] <mihir> renato___: one silly question , as tag is coming from QtOrganizer , should be accisble from event object , is that correct?
[19:01] <mivoligo> mzanetti: sorry dad is away
[19:01] <balloons> ahayzen_, ack.. waiting for jenkins builders to come back up
[19:02] <renato___> mihir, yes
[19:02] <mzanetti> :)
[19:02] <mihir> so renato___something like this, event.tag.value or event.tag.match ( "") as per documentation here , http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt-mobility/qorganizeritemtag-members.html
[19:03] <renato___> mihir, this is the C++ doc
[19:03] <mihir> renato___: yeah i am just getting the  function name from sdk i got this , http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtOrganizer.Tag/
[19:06] <ahoneybun> balloons, anchors are funny
[19:06] <mzanetti> nik90: hmm... doesn't look too bad to me
[19:07] <renato___> mihir, will be something like: item.detail(QtOrganizer.Tag).tag
[19:07]  * mihir tries
[19:07] <nik90> mzanetti: I noticed that there are some redundant functions as elopio correctly pointed out. So I will refactor those into one general function, but I thought it looks okay...best part is that it runs in less 2 secs :D
[19:08] <balloons> ahoneybun, ui layouts can be a treat eh?
[19:08] <mzanetti> nik90: there's happening quite a bit...
[19:08] <mzanetti> nik90: I'm running it like this: qmltestrunner -input ../tests/unit/tst_alarm.qml -import backend/ -eventdelay 100
[19:08] <renato___> mihir, try:   item.detail(Detail.Tag).tag
[19:08] <mzanetti> nik90: from within the builddir
[19:09] <nik90> mzanetti: yeah I get the message ""There are still "3" items in the process of being created at engine destruction.", but assumed it wasn't seriously
[19:09] <ahoneybun> balloons, as in I still don't understand them (and lost the page taking about them)
[19:09] <mzanetti> nik90: no, that isn't a big problem
[19:10] <nik90> mzanetti: ah ok...what's the eventdelay parameter for?
[19:10] <nik90> does it delay 100 seconds between tests or something
[19:10] <nik90> 100ms
[19:10] <mihir> renato___: i am trying this but it is retruning null , event.detail(Detail.Tag).tag
[19:10] <mzanetti> nik90: before each click
[19:10] <mzanetti> nik90: so you can actually see what's happening :D
[19:10] <nik90> mzanetti: ah man that's cool...I have been adding wait() whereever needed...it was cumbersome
[19:11] <nik90> mzanetti: thnx for the hint
[19:11] <balloons> ahoneybun, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/current/UbuntuUserInterfaceToolkit.ubuntu-layouts/
[19:11] <mihir> renato___: tried this as well , event.itemDetails(Detail.Tag).tag
[19:11] <mzanetti> nik90: only found it just now :D
[19:11] <nik90> mzanetti: hehe
[19:11] <mzanetti> nik90: there seem to be a while lot of new features I didn't know of in qmltestrunner
[19:11] <mzanetti> try --help
[19:11] <renato___> mihir, and are you sure that this event has tags?
[19:11] <ahoneybun> balloons, I can't get toolbarbuttons to show
[19:11] <nik90> mzanetti: sweet...so many arguments
[19:11] <ahoneybun> oh wait
[19:12] <renato___> mihir, most of the events will return null
[19:12] <mihir> ahh , nice catch..i am just trying with random event , but shouldn't it return atleast "" ? it says ,  Cannot read property 'tag' of null
[19:12] <ahoneybun> I can never keep the items from being on top of each other
[19:12] <mihir> renato___: okay then i'll have to get alaram events and then try this out.
[19:13] <renato___> mihir, common events will return null for: event.detail(Detail.Tag), since they do not have the tag property
[19:13] <ahoneybun> now the text looks weird balloons
[19:14] <renato___> mihir, property == Detail
[19:14] <mihir> renato___: hmm okay :) i thought every event will have something as tag.
[19:15] <ahoneybun> balloons, http://imgur.com/MSI4FRu
[19:16] <renato___> mihir, and there is two different functions: item.detail(type) that returns the first detail and item.details(type) that return a list of details with specified type
[19:17] <balloons> ahoneybun, you are quickly get to get in over my head.. I'm no qml developer ;-) Did you play with the template example app?
[19:17] <ahoneybun> the hello world one?.
[19:17] <renato___> mihir, I think you want to use: item.details(type), because the item can have more than one tag
[19:17] <balloons> indeed
[19:17] <ahoneybun> yea a bit
[19:17] <ahoneybun> I just took the toolbarbutton example code
[19:18] <mihir> renato___:  yeah  i guess , so it will be something like this event.details(Detail.Tag) and it will return if they have tags otherwise it will return null
[19:19] <renato___> mihir, good question, I am not sure if this function will return null or a empty list for items without tag
[19:20] <renato___> mihir, I think it will return a empty list
[19:20] <mihir> renato___: is it possible to create an event which has tag from desktop not device ?
[19:21] <mihir> renato___: i tried this event.details(Detail.Tag)  for a single event , it returns blank..so i guess now if we have tag it should return whatever tag it is
[19:21] <mihir> renato___: i need to confirm that.
[19:24]  * ahoneybun needs a video/pics not just text
[19:26] <mihir> renato___: i'll try that with device and confirm with you.
[19:27] <mihir_> renato___: i'll try that with device and confirm with you.
[19:29] <mihir__> hey nik90 , the issue regarding tags, can be reproduce on dekstop ?
[19:32] <mihir__> Akiva-Thinkpad: approved :
[19:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> mihir__,
[19:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> cool
[19:33] <ahoneybun> as soon as that APN settings drops in to Ubuntu I will be back on it
[19:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> beans.
[19:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[19:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, o/
[19:33] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, o/\o
[19:33] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, what you working on today?
[19:34] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, was just reading my email from the ubuntu-phone ml
[19:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> cool :)
[19:36] <ahoneybun> yep right now I'm thinking of ideas for apps that are more "doable" with my limited knowledge
[19:38] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, do you know Go?
[19:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I want to build a small go app after RTM
[19:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> never done go before
[19:39] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, I was looking at that about a year ago
[19:39] <ahoneybun> never really made any code though
[19:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ahoneybun, well lets do one then. something small
[19:40] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, sure I just dont know what to make the app do
[19:41] <Akiva-Thinkpad> well its go, so we should make something I guess that benefits from performance
[19:42] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, seems I don't have a kit for go
[19:42] <ahoneybun> on the ubuntu sdk
[19:47]  * ahoneybun saves for libreplanet 2015
[19:48] <ahoneybun> how does one enable r/w mode on ubuntu to edit the apn settings>
[20:00] <Akiva-Thinkpad> apn?
[20:09] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I'm here if you have time :)
[20:10] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hey, I do
[20:10] <mzanetti> mivoligo: let me push to trunk...
[20:10] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok
[20:11] <mzanetti> mivoligo: so... you need to pull now, then run the setupdata script
[20:12] <mzanetti> mivoligo: after that, you also need to copy the machines-vs-machines level pack to "tutorlal"
[20:13] <mzanetti> something like this:
[20:13] <mzanetti> cd levelpacks
[20:13] <mzanetti> cp -r machines-vs-machines tutorial
[20:13] <mzanetti> if everything goes well, the main menu should have 3 entries
[20:16] <mivoligo> mzanetti: http://paste2.org/K6fO6YjY
[20:16] <mzanetti> do'h again
[20:17] <mzanetti> sorry
[20:17] <mivoligo> :)
[20:17] <mzanetti> pushed
[20:22] <mivoligo> mzanetti: it's working! and that music :D
[20:23] <mzanetti> haha. the music is awesome, yes
[20:23] <mzanetti> mivoligo: so the problem is: we either need to have some level pack specific images with some describing text, at least for the "create level pack" one
[20:23] <mzanetti> or move that element out of the carousel
[20:23] <mzanetti> I do like it in there
[20:24] <mzanetti> but the image for it would need to say a bit of text
[20:25] <mivoligo> mzanetti: sorry, I don't get what's the problem exactly
[20:26] <mzanetti> mivoligo: those items in the carousel need to be all the same
[20:26] <mzanetti> if we're just taking some elements from the level pack, that won't really work out for that entry
[20:26] <mzanetti> and probably also not really well for the tutorial
[20:27] <nik90> elopio: hey I addressed all your comments in https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-feature-qml-tests/+merge/235940 (except for one). I also explained why I rather have it as a QML test.
[20:27] <mivoligo> you mean the same size?
[20:27] <nik90> elopio: I think I fixed the failures in jenkins, but let's see what happens.
[20:28] <nik90> elopio, balloons: Can either one of you trigger jenkins on https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-feature-qml-tests/+merge/235940
[20:28] <mzanetti> mivoligo: no, the same basic structure, either just an image, or all having some text at the same place
[20:29] <mzanetti> mivoligo: you said you would compose that "image" from elements of the level pack (as far as I understood programmatically - like taking the highest unlocked level or so)
[20:29] <mzanetti> mivoligo: the problem is that this entry doesn't really have a highest unlocked level, or enemies, or towers
[20:29] <balloons> nik90, done
[20:29] <nik90> balloons: thnx
[20:32] <mzanetti> mivoligo: still not clear what I mean?
[20:33] <mivoligo> mzanetti: sorry, was with kids
[20:33] <mzanetti> np
[20:34] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, so can we do rectangle as a basic element and on that some artwork specific to a levelpack and for tutorial some text?
[20:35] <ahoneybun> Akiva-Thinkpad, APN (Access Point Name)
[20:35] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hmm... I guess I can just add some text on all elements and just have it empty where not needed...
[20:36] <mzanetti> mivoligo: ok, yeah... I'll figure it out somehow when I have some designs...
[20:37] <mzanetti> mivoligo: are you happy with how the carousel basically works? dragging isn't really possible on this one as its not linear enough... dragging a circle is a bit odd
[20:37] <mzanetti> so I'm going to turn off the dragging and only rotate it on clicking
[20:37] <nik90> elopio: It seems to always fail at file:///tmp/buildd/ubuntu-clock-app-3.1+autopilot0/tests/unit/tst_alarmSound.qml:23:1: module "Qt.labs.folderlistmodel" is not installed, import Qt.labs.folderlistmodel 2.1
[20:38] <nik90> elopio: I am not sure what extra dependency it is looking for
[20:38] <mivoligo> mzanetti: clicking works very well
[20:39] <mivoligo> mzanetti: but can you do carousel with only 2 elements?
[20:39] <Akiva-Thinkpad> busy channel today
[20:39] <mzanetti> mivoligo: hmm... how would you move back then?
[20:40] <mivoligo> mzanetti: by clicking on the left side
[20:40] <mzanetti> into the empty space?
[20:42] <mzanetti> mivoligo: ^
[20:42] <mivoligo> no, I imagine after clicking the right item it goes on top and the top item hides so its left side is visible
[20:42] <mzanetti> mivoligo: how does that work with more than 2 items?
[20:43] <mivoligo> mzanetti: like on your implementation now
[20:45] <mzanetti> mivoligo: you mean when we only have 2 items, showing the other, and when there are more items changing to like it is now?
[20:46] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I'll try to sketch it
[20:46] <mzanetti> hehe, ok :)
[20:53] <mivoligo> mzanetti: see the folder, I'll be back in 10 minutes
[20:53] <mzanetti> ok
[20:54] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I see... the magic words would been "not rotating" :)
[20:54] <mzanetti> yeah, sure, should be possible
[20:55] <mzanetti> or well, not circular
[21:06] <mivoligo> mzanetti: nothing like working face to face :)
[21:06] <mzanetti> hehe
[21:09] <mivoligo> mzanetti: what about that difficulty selector, is it sane?
[21:09] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yeah, looks awesome... still not exactly sure how to do it, because I'd obviously would like to have it animated
[21:09] <mivoligo> me too :)
[21:10] <mivoligo> and colorAnimation as well
[21:10] <mzanetti> yep
[21:10] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I don't particularly like that the "easy" circle goes empty when the bar goes up to medium or high
[21:11] <mzanetti> mivoligo: can we keep that filled?
[21:11] <mzanetti> on hard we would have all 3 filled
[21:11] <mivoligo> mzanetti: that is just a draft
[21:11] <mzanetti> and the bar going from green to yellow to red or so
[21:12] <mivoligo> mzanetti: let me sketch how I imagine animation for that :)
[21:13] <mzanetti> awesome
[21:13] <mivoligo> I guess the default would be medium, right?
[21:26] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, in the folder
[21:27] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yeah, pretty much how I imagined it
[21:27] <mivoligo> mzanetti: :)
[21:28] <mzanetti> mivoligo: when green changes to orange, should the whole bar change to orange or just the area around the middle button?
[21:28] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I think all
[21:28] <popey> balloons: thanks for uploading calendar and music!
[21:29] <mivoligo> mzanetti: or maybe you can do gradient
[21:29] <mzanetti> both should be no proble,
[21:29] <mzanetti> problem
[21:29] <mzanetti> whatever you think is better
[21:30] <renato___> nik90, do you knwo how I can create a click package of the calendar app and install it on my device?
[21:30] <mivoligo> mzanetti: great, so I just provide the background and you'll do the magic with rectangle element :)
[21:30] <renato___> nik90, I am using the old steps but I am getting: Cannot install /tmp/com.ubuntu.calendar_0.4.latest_all.click: Signature verification error: debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed
[21:30] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yep
[21:30] <popey> balloons: oooh! more!
[21:30] <renato___> popey, ^^
[21:30] <nik90> renato___: ttry "pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted clickpackagename"
[21:31] <popey> pkcon install-local...
[21:31] <popey> dammit
[21:31] <popey> beats me every time
[21:31] <renato___> :D
[21:31] <nik90> renato___: you are missing --allow-untrusted
[21:31] <nik90> popey: in your def, I got the ping first :)
[21:31] <renato___> nice guys thanks, I have a patch for the calendar app :D
[21:32] <nik90> renato___: cool
[21:32] <popey> \o/
[21:32] <popey> balloons: any more? ☻
[21:33] <mivoligo> mzanetti: going back to that level switcher: I still don't really get why there can't be a level background there
[21:33] <popey> mivoligo: mzanetti what game you working on?
[21:33] <mzanetti> popey: bzr branch lp:machines-vs-machines
[21:33] <mzanetti> cd data
[21:33] <mzanetti> ./setupdata.py
[21:33] <balloons> popey, so fast ;-)
[21:33] <mzanetti> then run with qtcreator
[21:34] <balloons> popey, yes I'll have one for file manager soon
[21:34] <balloons> and that should be it
[21:34] <nik90> balloons: can we update clock tomorrow evening?
[21:34] <mivoligo> popey: and turn up your speakers :D
[21:34] <mzanetti> mivoligo: how should the box for creating level packs look like?
[21:34] <nik90> balloons: I want to get 2 MPs in before doing so (mostly AP and QML test)
[21:34] <balloons> nik90, we can update any time.. I know you like friday's ;-) I didn't push a build this afternoon because I knew you had stuff you wanted to land
[21:35] <mivoligo> mzanetti: just text
[21:35] <nik90> balloons: yeah I just want to keep it consistent by trying to push every friday :-)
[21:35] <mzanetti> mivoligo: no image at all?
[21:35] <mivoligo> mzanetti: maybe some big smile :D
[21:35] <mzanetti> :)
[21:36] <mzanetti> mivoligo: ok well... guess we can do that then
[21:36] <balloons> nik90, AP tests are new or fixes?
[21:36] <popey> balloons: pls ping me when you do it
[21:36] <mzanetti> mivoligo: your mockup shows a big header "Machines vs Machines" on top of the image. where does that come from?
[21:36] <nik90> balloons: new ones by carla (world clock)
[21:36]  * popey installs vorbis-tools
[21:36] <nik90> balloons: its been pending for a while waiting for a review
[21:36]  * nik90 does it too
[21:37] <mivoligo> mzanetti: not yet done
[21:37] <balloons> nik90, aye
[21:37] <mzanetti> mivoligo: sure, but I mean from a code point of view
[21:37] <mivoligo> mzanetti: an image
[21:37] <nik90> balloons: hey can you help me debug https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-feature-qml-tests/+merge/235940
[21:37] <mzanetti> mivoligo: would that be an image per level pack called titeImage or so and placed on top of the level background image?
[21:37] <nik90> balloons: its failing due a dependency issue in the qml tests
[21:38] <mivoligo> mzanetti: exactly
[21:38] <balloons> nik90, I saw that big MP
[21:38] <balloons> so many loose ends to sort out this week :-)
[21:38] <mzanetti> mivoligo: ok. should work this way
[21:38] <nik90> balloons: :-D
[21:39] <mivoligo> balloons: your last sentence goes well with your nick :D
[21:39] <popey> wow, this colour scheme is punch-your-retinas-out loud
[21:39] <balloons> nik90, so qml-module-qt-labs-folderlistmodel?
[21:39] <popey> love the music
[21:39] <nik90> balloons: yes, but it works with the AP tests without any additional dependency
[21:39] <mzanetti> popey: well, that red boxes is just today
[21:39] <mzanetti> popey: as we're experimenting with the main menu
[21:39] <nik90> balloons: in fact qml-module-qt-labs-folderlistmodel is not added to debian/control at all
[21:39] <mzanetti> the rest should be better I hope :)
[21:39] <balloons> nik90, well I haven't seen your control file, but build depends and test depends and runtime depends are all different
[21:40] <popey> ok, whats this song called on level 1?
[21:40] <nik90> balloons: ok, I will add that now and see if the tests pass
[21:40] <mzanetti> "Monkeys Spinning Monkeys" I think
[21:40] <balloons> nik90, do you have qtdeclarative5-folderlistmodel-plugin  instead/.
[21:40] <balloons> it's the old dummy package
[21:40] <nik90> I am checking
[21:41] <nik90> I have qtdeclarative5-folderlistmodel-plugin on my system. I will add that
[21:42] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, I'm done for today, I'll try to do some stuff tomorrow o/
[21:42] <mzanetti> mivoligo: see you. good night
[21:42] <mzanetti> popey: in the settings there is a checkbox to unlock everything currently
[21:42] <mzanetti> popey: you can see more towers etc with that
[21:42] <nik90> balloons: I pushed. Mind triggering jenkins? If it passes, I can sleep peacefully
[21:43] <nik90> mzanetti: erm, machines-vs-machines is crashing my qtc
[21:43] <nik90> mzanetti: I did the steps you mentioned above
[21:43] <mzanetti> nik90: did you maybe have a old build dir from a earlier try?
[21:43] <nik90> mzanetti: no I branches everything fresh.
[21:44] <nik90> mzanetti: I am trying via commandline
[21:44] <mzanetti> so far statistics are 3 working, 1 not working...
[21:44] <mzanetti> 1:4 that its your setup :D
[21:45] <nik90> I did,
[21:45] <nik90> mkdir builddir && cd builddir
[21:45] <nik90> cmake .. && make
[21:45] <nik90> qmlscene ../app/machines-vs-machines.qml backend/
[21:45] <popey> mzanetti: that was excellent fun!
[21:46] <mzanetti> popey: was? already through with all the levels?
[21:46] <nik90> mzanetti: works commandline :)
[21:46] <mzanetti> ok... weird
[21:46] <popey> hehe
[21:46] <mzanetti> popey: play it on hard please
[21:46] <mzanetti> so far noone managed
[21:46] <mzanetti> its well thought out up to level 7 so far
[21:46] <mzanetti> really hard but proven its possible
[21:46] <popey> ok
[21:47] <mzanetti> obviously without the unlock all cheat :D
[21:48] <balloons> nik90, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-clock-app-ci/501/
[21:48] <nik90> balloons: thnx
[21:49] <nik90> mzanetti: this is cool
[21:49]  * balloons watches http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-clock-app-utopic-amd64-ci/148/console
[21:50]  * nik90 does the same
[21:50] <mzanetti> all graphics by mivoligo
[21:52] <nik90> its much better than the last time I checked..cant wait to see it finished and in the store
[21:52] <mzanetti> its progressing steadily, yeah
[21:52] <mzanetti> still a bit to go
[21:53] <popey> mzanetti: hard is _hard_
[21:53] <mzanetti> it is :)
[21:53] <popey> I can't do the first level without losing some
[21:53] <mzanetti> popey: yeah, impossible
[21:53] <mzanetti> so you can't build up too many stars too fast
[21:53] <nik90> balloons: yay that does fix the dependency issue
[21:53] <mzanetti> popey: otherwise you'll get to buy tower upgrades too fast
[21:54] <balloons> nik90, :-)
[21:54] <mzanetti> popey: intention is that you have to go back leter with stronger towers to get all the star points
[21:54] <balloons> still some fails but not for that reason
[21:54] <balloons> good night nik90 :-)
[21:54] <nik90> balloons: yeah I saw
[21:54] <nik90> balloons: gnite :)
[22:18] <mzanetti> popey: still playing?


[10:36] <erikcorry> gcc 4.4.1 seems to be generating some screwy code for me.
[10:37] <erikcorry> Is there a newer release I could try?
[11:10] <lool> erikcorry: Is this reported?
[11:10] <lool> erikcorry: 4.4.1 is the latest we have, but we add patches
[11:12] <erikcorry> I'm trying to reduce it.
[11:12] <erikcorry> Fails to compile Google V8
[11:12] <erikcorry> In -O2 mode
[11:13] <erikcorry> I already added -fno-strict-aliasing
[14:02] <erikcorry> Gotcha.
[14:02] <erikcorry> Who should I mail the reduced test case to?
[14:02] <lool> erikcorry: Upstream?  :-)
[14:02] <erikcorry> Or should I just file a bug on gcc's site?
[14:02] <lool> erikcorry: I'd file a bug against gcc-4.4 upstream
[14:03] <lool> Yeah
[14:03] <erikcorry> It only happens with -O3
[14:04] <lool> erikcorry: You could find out which subopt breaks it
[14:04] <lool> erikcorry: gcc -c -Q -Os --help=optimizers will give you a list
[14:04] <erikcorry> Thx
[14:04] <lool> or -O3
[14:05] <erikcorry> Woah!
[14:05] <erikcorry> 163 optimizations!
[14:05] <lool> erikcorry: Have fun  :)
[14:05] <ogra> thats what these gentoo guys say too all the time ;)
[14:05] <ogra> and they they switch them all on ;)
[14:25] <erikcorry> -fno-tree-sink makes it go away.
[14:26] <erikcorry> That's actually part of -O1
[16:54] <jalto> hey guys, the latest rootstock is hanging for me on startup complaining about rsyslogd
[16:54] <jalto> pastebin at : http://pastebin.com/m21cd01a3
[16:55] <ogra> looks like a dbus issue
[16:55] <ogra> is that during build or the installed rootfs on a machine ?
[16:56] <jalto> it's on an sd card, so during startup of the sheevaplug that I am running it off of
[16:56] <jalto> build was successful
[16:56] <ogra> what release did you build ?
[16:56] <ogra> jaunty or karmic
[16:57] <jalto> karmic
[16:57] <ogra> karmic wont run on sheeva ... its ARMv6 now
[16:58] <jalto> oh ok
[16:58] <ogra> we use -march=armv6 -mfloat-abi=softfp and -mfpu=vfp now
[16:58] <jalto> I'm guessing it's the same for debian?
[16:58] <ogra> so thats likely where your illegal instruction comes from ...
[16:58] <ogra> no
[16:58] <ogra> debian uses v5 or even something smaller afaik
[16:59] <jalto> so the img files that are build for ubuntu are all armv6 as well then
[17:00] <lool> jalto: for karmic
[17:00] <lool> but yes
[17:01] <jalto> alright that's for the help
[17:01] <ogra> jaunty will work on your sheeva though
[17:01] <lool> jalto: jaunty is fine though
[17:02] <jalto> I was having trouble with rootstock for jaunty as well, but I need to revisit it and report back
[17:02] <ogra> yes, tell me if you run into any issues
[18:11] <jalto> ogra, I tried to get jaunty up and running and it hangs on starting kernel log daemon
[18:12] <jalto> the kernel I'm using comes from http://sheeva.with-linux.com/sheeva/
[18:12] <ogra> jalto, did you enable a serial console ?
[18:12] <jalto> <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:13] <jalto> in grub?
[18:13] <ogra> in rootstock :)
[18:13] <ogra> it has a --serial option, else the system wont set up serial in init
[18:14] <ogra> i.e the only login prompt you would see after starting klogd would be on a VGA output ...
[18:14] <ogra> which is hard to get in a sheeva i imagine
[18:15] <jalto> ogra thanks a tty might be useful
[18:15] <ogra> the other option is to have openssh-server installed and know the IP
[18:15] <ogra> so you can log in via ssh
[18:16] <jalto> back to building
[18:16] <ogra> do you have your tgz around ?
[18:17] <ogra> just untar it in a dir ...
[18:17] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildEABIChroot ...
[18:17] <ogra> chroot into it and install openssh-server
[18:17] <ogra> (and set up /etc/network/interfaces if needed)
[18:18] <ogra> there are jaunty packages in my ppa
[18:18] <jalto> thanks it's on an sd card so I can just pop it into my desktop and play with it
[18:19] <ogra> yeah
[18:19] <ogra> note that qemu-arm-static doesnt work with mono packages yet ... in case oyu plan to do any mono stuff
[18:43] <jalto> ogra, it pinged fine, but my build doesn't have an /etc/ssh folder with configs, so it wouldn't accept ssh
[18:44] <jalto> not sure if ssh was installed
[18:45] <ogra> its not by default
[18:46] <ogra> if you didnt add it to the --seed option
[18:46] <ogra> if you install it through qemu-arm-static you need to make sure /proc is mounted inside your chroot
[18:46] <ogra> else it wont generate keys
[18:46] <ogra> (and make sure to unmount /proc again afterwards)
[18:47] <jalto> ok
[18:48] <jalto> well the fact that it pinged was a good sign
[18:48] <ogra> indeed
[18:49] <ogra> anyway, its getting late here, i'll go afk now ...
[18:50] <jalto> good night
[18:50] <jalto> and thanks for the help
[18:50] <ogra> see you around (i hope) ;)
[22:22] <ali12341> ogra: just noticed something about my console-kit-dae problem
[22:22] <ali12341> on dmesg: console-kit-dae invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1201d2, order=0, oomkilladj=0
[22:23] <ali12341> it seems like the oomkiller killed it, but it still lives on and eats all cpu...
[22:26] <lool> Hmm
[22:27] <lool> ali12341: Would be best to start afresh and monitor what's happening on a fresh system; could be a process eating all the RAM, being killed and then another one using all CPU waiting for it
[22:27] <ali12341> that happened during boot
[22:27] <ali12341> this machine only has 64mb
[22:28] <lool> Ah that might be why
[22:28]  * lool sleep &
[22:28] <ali12341> it seems like actually gdm got killed
[22:33] <ali12341> the funny thing is i can actually log in to the desktop and everything works more or less
[22:33] <ali12341> it's really slow though, due to the runaway process


[03:04] <IdleOne> staff smallfoot<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is evading a kline and has registered a new account
[03:54] <bazhang> whats the new account IdleOne
[03:55] <IdleOne> smallfoot
[03:55] <bazhang> oh how clever
[03:55] <IdleOne> old one was smallfoot-
[03:55] <bazhang> we'll never guess who that is!
[10:13] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops glam the user avallark trying to evade ban with the nickname glam
[10:37] <Myrtti> ikonia: if you don't want him here, then remove the banforward.
[16:30] <Pricey> looks like amal..
[16:30] <Myrtti> yup
[16:31] <DJones> Trying to work out why they can't speak now I guess
[16:32] <bazhang> botwar perhaps
[16:32] <bazhang> err #
[16:33] <Pricey> DJones: Helpful? ;)
[16:38] <DJones> Pricey: Pointing them to #test is probably helpful


[16:22] <Hattory> @schedule rome
[16:22] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 09 Jan 21:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 15:00: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 15:00: Desktop Team Development | 23 Jan 21:00: Edubuntu meeting


[04:31] <maxolasersquad_h> Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual the best place to file bugs against the manual?
[04:38] <Muscovy> That or http://bugs.ubuntu-manual.org
[04:55] <maxolasersquad_h> Muscovy: Thanks
[15:35] <hannie> Hi leoquant
[15:48] <andrejz> Hello! I was wondering whether string freeze for 10.10 is in place, because i cannot find anything related to it with google
[16:04] <nisshh> andrejz, not as far as i know just yet
[16:04] <nisshh> godbyk_, ^^
[16:04] <nisshh> godbyk, ^^
[20:39] <godbyk> nisshh: no string freeze yet, afaik.
[21:01] <nisshh> godbyk, right, i didnt think it was in place just yet :)
[21:03] <thorwil> godbyk: http://uxmovement.com/content/6-surprising-bad-practices-that-hurt-dyslexic-users point 1 might interest you :)


[06:04] <virusuy> hi everyone..
[06:10] <stjohnmedrano> good day everyone
[10:09] <nill> hi
[10:09] <nill> i have a problem in ubuntu 11.04 on my dell vostro 1320. Please can anyone help?
[10:28] <Ampelbein> nill: hi, this channel is about bug triage, user support is in #ubuntu.
[10:28] <bil21al> i want to get involved in ubuntu
[10:29] <Ampelbein> bil21al: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved


[08:22] <Carbrich_r> HI, Stupid question maybe, but if a bug is confirmed, what is the workflow then?
[11:16] <meena> Carbrich_r: it's discussed, and prioritise or, if someone has a bunch w
[11:17] <meena> *hunch what the issue is, assigned
[11:17] <meena> unless, of course, someone from the community steps up and delivers a patch
[13:38] <rs_goyal__> How can I pass a user-script via vendor data? I am not sure if that is possible also.
[13:44] <beantaxi> rs_goyal__: I'm new here ... but you definitely want to pass it as vendor data and not user data?
[13:48] <rs_goyal__> yes @beantaxi
[13:49] <beantaxi> Then I'm out of ideas :) but I'm sure someone more knowledgable will be along
[13:50] <beantaxi> For my own curiosity, why vendor data? In case I find myself in the same position some day
[13:52] <beantaxi> If it would talk too long to explain, no worries
[13:54] <rs_goyal__> In case of user data, you need to pass it everytime you create an instance. Vendordata will be common for all
[13:56] <beantaxi> Thanks!
[16:18] <powersj> rs_goyal__, passing vendor data is dependent on the datasource, for example on lxd you can pass it in by setting a key: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/faq.html#lxd
[16:26] <rs_goyal__> ok
[16:44] <blackboxsw> Carbrich_r: Confirmed bug statue just means someone else confirms this looks like a valid bug, it has yet to be prioritized in any work queues. Once it is in-progress you know it's imminent. But as it currently stands any bug that transistions to Triaged/Confirmed doesn't imply anyone is working that bug. Until it has an assignee it is considered an open bug that anyone in the community with interest can provide
[16:44] <blackboxsw> patches for. I'm assuming this was a question related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1892902
[16:45] <blackboxsw> I think ultimately "we" (cloud-init upstream folks) should have set that to Triaged. which means the same thing "real bug and unprioritized" except it carries the weight that the "bug supervisor" agrees.
[16:46]  * blackboxsw changes the bug state drop down
[16:47] <blackboxsw> and looks like from your attached logs there that ['dnf', '-y', 'makecache'] causes a hiccup for cloud-init process for some reason.
[18:07] <Carbrich_r> @meena:  thanks for the explanation.
[18:09] <meena> Carbrich_r: additionally, currently folks might be slow to respond, cuz they're in the middle of an SRU release
[18:09] <meena> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates ← sru
[18:26] <blackboxsw> thx again meena for fielding context for folks
[18:27] <meena> blackboxsw: i try my best, but most of my best is currently directed at my daughter, so i've been neglecting my FLOSS projects that nobody pays me me for :P
[18:28] <blackboxsw> hah. fam first always :)
[18:28] <blackboxsw> then FLOSS fam second :)
[19:57] <beantaxi> Fyi I believe the manual instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed only work if you are sudo
[19:57] <beantaxi> I mean root
[19:58] <beantaxi> This works: `echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ $(lsb_release -cs)-proposed restricted main multiverse universe" | sudo tee >/dev/null  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-$(lsb_release -cs)-proposed.list`