[00:31] <ali1234> can you retweet a tweet @ someone who doesn't follow you?
[00:33] <popey> yes
[00:33] <popey> you can retweet anything so long as you can see it and the person doesn't have their stream private
[00:33] <ali1234> but when i click retweet it doesn't let me edit it... i'm too old for this stuff
[00:34] <ali1234> i'll just email them the link. lol
[00:36] <popey> hah
[00:51] <bobtuny> Anyone here?
[01:12] <ali1234> yes
[06:46] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:08] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[07:09] <MooDoo> knightwise: hello :) it's friday :)
[07:15] <knightwise> I kneuw :)
[07:16] <knightwise> I'm having soundconverter have a crack at some of the flac files I found online
[07:16]  * knightwise has a day off today
[07:16] <knightwise> now I need to drag .epub files out of a recursive file directory structure into one folder
[07:17] <knightwise> still looking how to do that
[07:17] <knightwise> find -r *.epub /sourcedirs/ | mv /targetdir/
[07:17] <knightwise> probably not .. right ?
[07:19]  * MooDoo shrugs...sorry
[07:22] <diddledan__> knightwise: find /path/to/epub/parent *.epub -exec mv '{}' /target/epub/dir \;
[07:35] <knightwise> hey diddledan__ :) thanx ! :)
[07:35] <knightwise> found it in the meantime :)
[07:36] <knightwise> I have to go through quite a bit of folders :) Been playing with Wget and some google "intitle" searches :)
[07:40] <mapps> morning
[07:40] <knightwise> hey mapps
[07:40] <MooDoo> morning morning
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: hence the 'find' which moves it for you
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> \o *
[07:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning one and all :-D
[07:42] <knightwise> morning guys :)
[07:42] <mapps> so uh i was logged into my machine using ajaxterm through apache webserver on https:// had a problem with apache..did /etc/init.d/apachectl stop.. and uh oh why cant i do anything
[07:42] <mapps> d'oh i was using ajaxterm through the webserver:D
[07:45] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Belly Laugh Day! :-D
[07:51] <Myrtti> morning
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> hey, new Java.
[07:52] <Myrtti> my trusty(!) virtual machine had gotten a booboo during the week I wasn't showing it TLC :-(
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: what happened?
[07:52] <Myrtti> no idea, it wouldn't boot
[07:52] <Myrtti> quicker to reinstall the whole thing and start over than to dig deeper
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> aww
[07:53] <Myrtti> I'm not experienced enough with the problems they have to waste time on problem solving
[07:53] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: does it show any messages? would it be bugreport-worthy?
[07:54] <Myrtti> doubt it, it's more likely to be a PEBKAC than anything else
[07:55] <mapps> pebkac?
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> mapps: problem exists betweek keyboard and chaird. aka "user error"
[07:56] <mapps> ahh course
[07:56] <mapps> thx
[07:56] <diddledan__> PEBKAC tends to be the primary source of errors for me
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: get a bean bag instead
[07:56] <diddledan__> lol
[07:56] <diddledan__> I need a big ball
[07:57] <diddledan__> that way I'll improve my posture at the same time
[07:57] <knightwise> ls
[07:57] <knightwise> oops wrong window
[07:57] <diddledan__> knightwise: I agree
[07:59] <mapps> lol
[07:59] <mapps> treadmill desk is the future
[07:59] <mapps> :D
[07:59] <mapps> office chaire=silent killer!!
[07:59] <MartijnVdS> mapps: http://goo.gl/alp3eT
[08:07] <mapps> lol MartijnVdS
[08:11] <Myrtti> you mean working sitting crosslegged in a onesie on your bed isn't good?
[08:11] <Myrtti> damn.
[08:12] <diddledan__> Myrtti: onsesies ftw
[08:13] <diplo> Morning all
[08:21] <SuperMatt> I just went the longjohns route this morning
[08:21] <SuperMatt> so I'm nice and warm :D
[08:22] <DJones> Morning
[08:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> I got my wife a onesie for Xmas - she thinks it's great. It's purple with dots.  They dont appeal to me at all:)
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> but they're nice and warm!
[09:03] <YaManicKill> Yeah, great for using in the winter, in the house.
[09:03] <YaManicKill> Never to be seen by other people :-P
[09:05] <directhex> nggggg
[09:06] <SuperMatt> I wouldn't be surprised if I saw people in their onesies popping down to the corner shop, or whatever
[09:06] <SuperMatt> because for some people laziness trumps decency
[09:08] <directhex> i've seen people in onesies in the town centre
[09:08] <directhex> also 25% packet loss wtf
[09:08] <popey> i saw someone in a onesie in the co-op recently
[09:08] <popey> she was buying chocolate
[09:08] <popey> pretty sure we knew what was going on there
[09:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> My missus won't go out in hers. But should think it's common in Banbury and Farnborough ;-)
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: that article you retweeted mentions my employer (zaaksysteem.nl) :)
[09:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[09:09] <popey>  my missus won't wear hers
[09:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/oss-use-dutch-town-lowers-it-cost-24-vs-peers
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> yeah, that one :)
[09:09] <popey> so sophie stole it, and it's massively too big for her
[09:10] <popey> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--BXYQ48p1IA/UtRU_1ScPiI/AAAAAAAAjO8/qC5Omxq3wGk/w677-h903-no/IMG_2690.JPG
[09:10] <popey> has to hitch it up
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha ha
[09:16] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:16] <bigcalm> Gosh, Sophie is getting tall
[09:17] <SuperMatt> I shall one day get a onsie
[09:17] <bigcalm> popey: the photo behind her head, there appears to be more people than your unit of 4?
[09:17] <SuperMatt> maybe on the way home tonight because it's payday
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: amazon
[09:18] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: Rackspace are paying you already?
[09:18] <foobarry> SuperMatt: i've seen people in their pyjamas in coop too
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: The Dude?
[09:19] <foobarry> and slippers. buying superkings for their toddlers
[09:19] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: yes, fortunately
[09:19] <SuperMatt> and my last job's pay came in too
[09:19] <SuperMatt> a little too much in fact
[09:19] <SuperMatt> they called me yesterday in a panic because they over paid me
[09:20] <popey> bigcalm: sister, her kids
[09:20] <bigcalm> Ah, okay
[09:21] <SuperMatt> they want me to send the money back, but haven't actually sent the bacs details \o/
[09:22] <foobarry> ubuntu one app stopped uploading pictures :S
[09:23] <SuperMatt> eek
[09:24]  * Laney snuggles directhex
[09:26] <diddledan__> Laney: stop that canoodling - you're making us jealous :-p
[09:26] <Laney> there's room in this spoon for three
[09:26] <Laney> NO MORE THOUGH
[09:26]  * knightwise thinks MartijnVdS deserves a hugg too because now my ubuntu machine runs like a charm :)
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> Laney: you weren't in Prague at the UDS were you? :)
[09:27] <Laney> no
[09:27] <knightwise> anyone of you guys coming to fossdem ?
[09:27] <Laney> the dholbach hug?
[09:27] <Laney> yes
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> Laney: yeah that one :)
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: maybe
[09:27] <knightwise> same here. If there are gonna be some peeps around that I know I might go too
[09:28] <knightwise> or i'll just go do do some interviews for HPR or the Knightwise.com podcast
[09:29] <Laney> my first UDS was the one in "Brussels"
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> Laney: was there a room named that?
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> Laney: where was that?
[09:30] <Laney> not sure, a magical coach took us there
[09:30] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> Laney: ah, no, the real city of brussels. Didn't go there
[09:31] <Laney> got to see sabdfl walking around in his towel & slippers
[09:31] <Laney> you had to cross the lobby to get to the gym & sauna from the rooms
[09:31] <Laney> weird
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> the photo is the same as the one on the UDS-L page
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> UDS-Jaunty was my last :|
[09:33] <Laney> you're old skool
[09:33] <popey>   PID USER      PR  NI    VIRT    RES    SHR S  %CPU %MEM     TIME+ COMMAND
[09:33] <popey>  1710 root      20   0 4389528 3.642g 389388 S  21.5 23.4 187:02.22 Xorg
[09:33] <popey> wheeee
[09:34] <popey> was 2.3 G yesterday
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> Laney: my first was "The Mataro Sessions", https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MataroConference
[09:36] <Laney> huh
[09:36] <Laney> hadn't heard of that one
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> Laney: the very first one, just after 4.10 came out
[09:36] <Laney> did you work for canonical?
[09:37] <Laney> back in those idealistic days of yore
[09:37] <Laney> shipping the "best GNOME desktop"
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> No, I didn't.. just a community member :)
[09:38] <popey> ah old names in the changelog for that wiki page
[09:38] <Laney> that sladen
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> Laney: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=31717518@N02&q=mataro
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> recognise ALL the people! 8-)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> (and ancient launchpad)
[09:54] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:58] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:59] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:59] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:00] <brobostigon> no more workfare/mwa untill wednesday now, makes me happy, my back and hip hurt.
[10:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: battery notification is displayed once I resume from a suspend. But not from a cold boot.
[10:10] <foobarry>       20   0  282m 116m  12m S    1  1.5 232:23.14 Xorg
[10:10] <foobarry>  up 51 days, 17:27,
[10:10] <diddledan__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25840502
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> FASTESTEST EVAR
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> In all of space and time!
[10:11] <diddledan__> :-)
[10:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: file a bug :)
[10:13] <YaManicKill> "It allows them to increase their capacity without having to spend much more money."
[10:13] <YaManicKill> Bet we'll see increase in prices though...
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> YaManicKill: also, transceivers aren't cheap
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> for fibre
[10:13] <YaManicKill> Yeah
[10:15] <diddledan__> I've got a gigabit-capable sfp port on my router - I want BT to install FTTP so that I can get superspeed
[10:15] <diddledan__> 40 Mbps just doesn't cut it
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> I have a gigabit media converter in my house (and fibre going into it)
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> but the other end is only 100mbit :(
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> hance I only have 100/100 at home
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> hence8
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> *
[10:17] <YaManicKill> I just want decent speed wifi.  I'm on 76Mb/s internet, but with the router that they provided me with, I'm getting max of 4MB/s
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> wifi is never as fast as advertised
[10:18]  * popey hands YaManicKill an ethernet cable
[10:19] <YaManicKill> popey: Oh, where do I plug that into my phone?
[10:19] <popey> android phone?
[10:19] <YaManicKill> MartijnVdS: I know, but 4Mb/s is crap
[10:19] <YaManicKill> popey: of course
[10:19] <diddledan__> do any androids support usb-ethernet adapters?
[10:19] <popey> yeah, usb ethernet ☻
[10:19] <popey> apple ones are best ㋛
[10:19] <YaManicKill> Oh for crying out loud.
[10:19] <popey> why is your wifi so slow?
[10:20] <YaManicKill> What about my tablet? It doesn't support otg
[10:20] <popey> bummer
[10:20] <YaManicKill> popey: because it's a crappy router that plusnet gave me.
[10:20] <popey> ah, shame
[10:20] <diddledan__> plusnet -_-
[10:20] <diddledan__> cheap as chips
[10:20] <popey> i had the same with my vm box so bought a netgear and slapped dd-wrt on it
[10:20] <diddledan__> but not as tasty
[10:21] <YaManicKill> Aye, I'm just trying to prioritise money just now. Just bought a house, you see :-P
[10:21] <YaManicKill> s/bought a house/about to buy a house/
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> sounds like the best time to invest in a proper router ;)
[10:25] <YaManicKill> Yep, but just need to convince the wife we need a proper decent one.
[10:25] <YaManicKill> s/proper decent/wifi ac/
[10:27] <bigcalm> Constantly getting "Error: bad minute" from crontab. Are there rules for how comments should be constructed?
[10:27] <popey> # this is a comment
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> make sure # is at the start of the line
[10:28] <bigcalm> Yep, that's the case
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> bad minute could indicate someone used a minute > 59
[10:29] <bigcalm> I replaced all of the blank lines with # # and now it works
[10:29] <YaManicKill> ha
[10:29] <bigcalm> Since when does crontab not like blank lines?
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: then they weren't really blank. Did they contain spaces?
[10:29] <foobarry> when there's special characters
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also.. DOS line endings maybe? :)
[10:31] <bigcalm> Ahhhh, the line endings could be the issue!
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: so.. do you want authorization to hurt the author? :)
[10:34] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: chance would be a fine thing
[10:34] <bigcalm> ^M everywhere
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> who invented those horrible things anyway
[10:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: I never add blank lines to crontab.  I just type in the comment and then the command next line is the next comment.
[10:55] <bigcalm> Taken from a website somewhere: Crontab delimits jobs with line breaks (newlines). Each job occupies one line. Therefore, if crontab sees anything other than an integer in the first column of a line, it throws the “bad minute” error, since the minute argument is the first one crontab encounters.
[10:56] <Dave2> well that's wrong
[10:56] <Dave2> you can have comments in cron
[10:56] <foobarry> i remember getting emails from crontab in the past
[10:56] <bigcalm> Comments are ignored
[10:56] <foobarry> "there are blank lines in your corontab"
[10:56] <Dave2> Yes. But they are newlines which don't start with integers.
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> the cron I know can handle that fine
[10:56] <bigcalm> Would be nice if crontab would ignore blank lines as well
[10:57] <YaManicKill> Easy fix though... just have a blank comment line
[10:57] <YaManicKill> #
[10:57] <YaManicKill> Sorted :-)
[10:57] <bigcalm> This is the default cron in 12.04
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> Or a long comment line: 0 * * * * /bin/true
[10:57] <bigcalm> YaManicKill: just done that, looks horrible
[10:58] <YaManicKill> bigcalm: better than nothing
[10:58] <bigcalm> True
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: how does a default 12.04 crontab end up with dos line endings
[10:58] <bigcalm> I know, the deployment script can remove blank lines from the file before it copies to the destination
[10:58] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: line endings are no longer the issue
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Blank lines in crontab are fine in Ubuntu's cron
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> you're aware /etc/cron.d/* crontabs use a different format?
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> with the username to run as between the time and the command
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> man 5 crontab, too
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> that manual claims:
[11:00] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: yes
[11:00] <MartijnVdS>        Blank lines and leading spaces and tabs are ignored.  Lines whose first
[11:00] <MartijnVdS>        non-space  character  is a hash-sign (#) are comments, and are ignored.
[11:00] <bigcalm> Yep, it's the line endings then. This is nuts
[11:00] <bigcalm> My IDE should be saving everything with \n
[11:01] <Dave2> The line ending, on a blank line, is also the line beginning.</zen>
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: ^$
[11:10] <foobarry> 674234368 bytes (674 MB) copied, 329.015 s, 2.0 MB/s
[11:10] <foobarry> copying to a usb stick..2MB/s :-|
[11:16] <arsen> anyone have any recommended dedicated server providers? not too fussed where it is, currently using a ~£25/mo OVH box but its a bit tired :(
[11:18] <foobarry> how can i boot a mac mini from usb if the windows key isn't recognised on the keyboard?
[11:23] <foobarry> answer:burn a cd
[11:31] <bigcalm> Is there a cli util to convert line endings to \n for a given file/files?
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "fromdos"
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> you can also use sed but that takes work to figure out :)
[11:31] <bigcalm> Doesn't appear to be installed by default, but okay
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> sudo apt-get install tofrodos
[11:34] <bigcalm> Ta
[11:51] <foobarry> to frodos!
[11:51] <foobarry> isn't that what the hobbits say?
[11:55] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: tofrodos for breakfast
[12:00] <bigcalm> Greedy
[12:07]  * popey considers lunch
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: as in "I'll have two frodos for breakfast"
[12:11] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: that's just gluttony
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ok, maybe I'll save one for second breakfast then
[12:12] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: haha
[12:14] <foobarry> hmm booting linux on a mac seems overly complex
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: they're made to run macos after all
[12:16] <foobarry> how dare they
[12:23] <popey> http://comparemyradio.com/compare/BBC_Radio_2/BBC_Radio_1
[12:23] <popey> neat
[12:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why can't I compare Radio 4 ;-)
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> why can't I compare Dutch radio stations ;)
[12:30] <popey> hehe, just booted a viglen mpc-l, its running lucid
[12:31] <popey> anyone want to take a guess when it was last booted? (it's fscking now) - will check the log when it's done
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> 2011-04-23
[12:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> 24/01/2010
[12:38] <popey> 70%
[12:40] <davmor2> popey: 2011-01-28
[12:41] <davmor2> popey: that would give you a month or two before you got bored :)
[12:43] <popey> still says 70% and no disk activity ⍨
[12:46] <DJones> Have MS actually bought Nokia's mobile phone business, just a bit confused as to why Nokia would bring out an Android phone (even if it is supposed to be skinned to look like Windows mobile) if they're owned my MS
[12:47] <diddledan__> DJones: maybe they had that on the drawing board already before MS bought them
[12:47] <DJones> diddledan__: Yeah, thats what I'm guessing/reading
[12:47] <foobarry> Myrtti is our resident expert on these things
[12:47] <Myrtti> huh
[12:47] <Myrtti> what
[12:47] <Myrtti> where
[12:48] <foobarry> nokia stuffs
[12:48] <Myrtti> Nokia wasn't sold
[12:48]  * foobarry is dipping his BLT sandwich into carrot and coriander soup..yum
[12:48] <Myrtti> and Nokia isn't owned by MS
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> yet
[12:49] <diddledan__> Myrtti: afaik the phone business was
[12:49] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: MS has no reason to buy the rest of the company
[12:49] <Myrtti> and it's doubtful it would be sold
[12:49] <DJones> diddledan__: As I read it, the deal hasn't been completed yet for the phone business yet
[12:50] <diddledan__> Myrtti: "nokia" isn't allowed to operate in a competitive field for 2 years last I heard of the "deal"
[12:50] <popey> 71%!
[12:51] <Myrtti> yes, but it's also probable that the Android development started before the purchase plans were published
[12:51] <Myrtti> so the fact they've done something like that isn't surprising at all
[12:52] <diddledan__> indeed, that would be my guess
[12:53] <Myrtti> Following the sale, Nokia will focus on three core business units; its Here mapping service (which Microsoft will license for four years under the deal), its infrastructure division Nokia Solutions and Networks (NSN), and on developing and licensing its "advanced technologies".
[12:54] <Myrtti> so whatever that R&D on 'advanced technologies' is...
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> nanoprobes
[13:00] <foobarry> bacon
[13:00] <diddledan__> nano bacon?
[13:01] <brobostigon> robo bacon?
[13:01] <diddledan__> that's end of the world tech that
[13:02] <davmor2> guys you need maxo bacon not nano you'd hardly taste it else :D
[13:02] <diddledan__> speaking of robots. there's a straight-to-dvd movie I wanna watch - it's got both robots AND zombies!
[13:02] <diddledan__> can't remember the title tho
[13:03] <diddledan__> here 'tis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XMsC1KiRaQ
[13:05] <popey> 72% - man this is taking ages
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: still fscking?
[13:05] <popey> ya
[13:06] <popey> disk blink very sporadically
[13:07] <bigcalm> How much of the HDD did you use in it?
[13:08] <bigcalm> I still have 2 doing nothing. No idea what to do with them
[13:08] <bigcalm> Anybody want 2 door stops?
[13:10] <popey> i think it was 80G
[13:11] <popey> I'm giving mine to @andysc because his died
[13:11] <DJones> bigcalm: If a relative was still alive, I'd tell her to ask you for a door stop, she used to use a 2" WW2 shell as a door stop
[13:11] <popey> forgot how quiet these are
[13:13] <bigcalm> No fan iirc
[13:13] <bigcalm> But a really REALLY bright blue LED on front
[13:13] <bigcalm> Which lights up a whole room, stopping one from sleeping. Tape to the rescue
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> solder and a regular diode :)
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> I'm thinking of getting a JBC362
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> fanless, dual gigabit ethernet
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> GMA500 graphics though.. but I'm not going to use that anyway
[13:20] <popey> 74!
[13:20] <popey> yeah, that LED is a bit bright
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> popey: wow, it's getting faster
[13:29] <davmor2> popey: isn't the first 50% finding out is there is issue and the final 50% fixing them :)
[13:32] <popey> 75
[13:33] <JGJones> popey - is it your btrfs partition?
[13:33] <popey> no
[13:33] <popey> a viglen
[13:33] <davmor2> JGJones: no on lucid :)#
[13:36] <JGJones> ah. Should get a Granny™ to do it. They're very patient. (Was told by a friend upgrading a PC for his gran recently. 256MB. And she was using Vista. No it's not slow for her).
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> popey: has it hit 80% yet?
[13:53] <popey> 77
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> what's it *doing*
[13:55] <popey> well indeed
[13:55] <popey> i just see a plymouth(?) screen and a checking thing
[14:01] <SuperMatt> wooo, dkim set up on my server
[14:02] <Laney> OH GOD NOT THE ARCHERS
[14:08] <czajkowski> someone put me out of my misery
[14:09] <czajkowski> can you alphabetical sort stuff on lo or google docs
[14:09] <czajkowski> or is it staring me in the face
[14:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: yes
[14:13] <czajkowski> yes it's starting at me where......
[14:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> What, exactly, do you want to sort?
[14:13] <czajkowski> a list of cities
[14:13] <czajkowski> *cities
[14:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> In a spreadsheet?
[14:14] <czajkowski> nope in a plai document
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: sort list_of_cities.txt
[14:14] <czajkowski> I was going to use a spreadsheet but if I copy that into the document it copies the table and I don't need the table
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: sort list_of_cities.txt > sorted_list_of_cities.txt (don't use the same filename twice!)
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: can't you shift+paste ("Paste Special" -> text only)
[14:15] <czajkowski> hmmmm
[14:15] <czajkowski> that may work
[14:15] <czajkowski> seems to be a fairly simple thing to want to do in a document but missing from LO and Google docs
[14:16] <bashrc> add it as a feature request
[14:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can do this in spreadsheet - not sure about in a writer or doc...
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> also, it would work if you used LaTeX source and vim ;)
[14:18] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: bah
[14:18] <czajkowski> bashrc: indeed
[14:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> why not just C&P into something that you can sort then C&P back?
[14:18] <popey> thats what I'd do
[14:19] <czajkowski> true I guess
[14:19] <czajkowski> just baffling that it's missing
[14:20] <popey> 80
[14:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> 65
[14:20] <SuperMatt> 12
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> 42
[14:21] <SuperMatt> Mornington Crescent
[14:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: don't forget that documents are dumb.  The cleverness comes from what you do with it.  Like running sort etc
[14:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> gah!
[14:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> 8
[14:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mornington Crescent!
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> that's numberwang!
[14:21] <SuperMatt> too slow man
[14:21] <SuperMatt> I've already won
[14:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had it ready
[14:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> but got sidetracked by a though about Ajax.
[14:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/thought
[14:26] <czajkowski> right sorted it
[14:26] <czajkowski> into spreadsheet and sort it
[14:26] <czajkowski> thanks folks
[14:29] <SuperMatt> huzzah!
[14:36] <popey> 82 ☹
[14:36] <czajkowski> what game are we playing
[14:36] <czajkowski> 4 - the hours left in todays work day :)
[14:37] <popey> percentage fscked of my viglen I booted up after an unknown period of time
[14:38] <foobarry> why so slow?
[14:38] <foobarry> i had sparc 10's fsck quicker than that
[14:38] <popey> no idea
[14:39] <popey> i cant tell what it's doing
[14:39] <popey> it's an 80GB HDD with an AMD Geode CPU and not much RAM
[14:56] <diddledan__> I like how when you say "it's fscking the disc" it could conceivably be either good OR bad
[14:56] <diddledan__> ARGH MY DISC IS FSCKED!
[14:56] <diddledan__> or dammit it fscked my disc last night!
[14:56] <popey> 84
[14:58] <SuperMatt> I think it'll be just about done by dinner time
[14:58] <diddledan__> lol
[15:01] <brobostigon> https://github.com/keelanc/bcsexagesimal/blob/master/src/bcsexagesimal.c now this i like.
[15:08] <foobarry> operation "close chrome tabs" is in effect
[15:10] <diplo> Sorry, the program "run" closed unexpectedly
[15:10] <diplo> :)
[15:10] <foobarry> diplo: #windows?
[15:11] <diplo> Nope 13.10
[15:11] <diddledan__> "run"?
[15:11] <diddledan__> that's a very generic program name
[15:11] <foobarry> a.out ?
[15:11] <diddledan__> lol
[15:11] <diplo> heh, why I posted it, was Hotot crashed
[15:12] <foobarry> i remember hotot
[15:12] <foobarry> used to use it years ago
[15:12] <diplo> This PC stays on 24/5 - But after 2 days or so Hotot crashes with that
[15:13] <diplo> Not really an inconvenience but maybe worth bug reporting it I guess
[15:13] <popey> 86!
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: maybe it'll get to 100% before the weekend!
[15:41] <Myrtti> suction cups are stupid
[15:41] <Myrtti> I've got an obsession on sticking them on the skin
[15:45] <Dave2> That's one way to interpret that
[15:45] <Dave2> Although now I bet the next time I see a suction cup I'm going to try that. (I probably have too much hair for one to stick though.)
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: try when you've just shaved
[15:46] <Myrtti> don't put it on your forehead for prolonged periods.
[15:46] <Myrtti> nuff said
[15:46] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: why?
[15:46] <Myrtti> don't put it anywhere visible for prolonged periods
[15:47] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: because suction cups suc
[15:47] <Myrtti> suck
[15:47] <Dave2> I'd hope they do
[15:47] <Dave2> MartijnVdS: now that's an idea.
[15:49] <Myrtti> if you didn't get the wisdom behind 'suction cups suck' and 'don't put them anywhere visible on your skin for prolonged periods', don't worry, it'll appear to you in about half an hour
[15:50] <Myrtti> I'm obviously *not* speaking from experience
[15:50] <Dave2> Now you're just making me want to try even more.
[15:57] <JGJones> Is there a package for that?
[15:57] <popey> 90
[15:58] <JGJones> What time did you start popey?
[15:58] <popey> ~12:30
[15:59]  * DJones predicts a power cut at popey's in about an hour
[16:01] <popey> hah
[16:14] <JGJones> Storms expected tonight. High possibility of power cuts.
[16:15] <JGJones> Oh nothing to worry about, it's not as if we have anything we're waiting for.
[16:15] <foobarry> waiting 2 weeks for 2 repair man to arrive
[16:28] <popey> oh ffs
[16:28] <popey> laptop froze, rebooted
[16:28] <popey> now x wont start
[16:28] <popey> [    13.922] (EE) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
[16:28] <popey> what the hell
[16:30] <popey> restarted lightdm
[17:02] <popey> 91
[17:09] <davmor2> popey: man that is still going
[17:09] <popey> ya
[17:10] <popey> disk is probably utterly broken
[17:10] <popey> and when it finally boots there'll be like a bazillion broken sectors
[17:25] <bigcalm> popey: want a replacement? ;)
[17:25] <popey> hah
[17:27] <bigcalm> Surprised but pleased that the Revo is still working well as my parents' server
[17:28] <popey> yeah, my revo is chugging along
[17:36] <diddledan__> first generation atoms those if memory serves?
[17:42] <popey> ya
[17:42] <popey> atom + nvidia
[17:43] <diddledan__> the nvidia chip was actually pretty awesome
[17:43] <popey> yeah
[17:43] <popey> with vdpau it was
[17:43] <diddledan__> made it a sweet media-centre with vdpau
[17:50] <brobostigon> any suggestions for a more detailed android battery usage meters, than the standard one. please.
[17:57] <popey> brobostigon: battery widget
[17:57] <brobostigon> thank you popey
[17:57] <popey> \o/ fsck done!
[17:57] <brobostigon> :)
[18:03] <bigcalm> Do I order this or keep looking? http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TL-SG108-8-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet/dp/B00A121WN6/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=LXT6MFP2WUWA&coliid=I3CSVGNLRUBWZ4
[18:04] <diddledan__> popey: does it still work?
[18:04] <popey> kinda
[18:04] <diddledan__> bigcalm: switches got cheap
[18:04] <bigcalm> diddledan__: they did
[18:05] <popey> looks okay
[18:05] <diddledan__> bigcalm: I remember buying a huge-ass 10Mbps HUB (NOT switch) for just shy of a ton back in the 90s
[18:05] <bigcalm> I want this though: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005UGRIIG/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d3_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=07N8057S8YWC7WBNRSXB&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455344027&pf_rd_i=468294
[18:06] <diddledan__> yeah, the netgear prosafe range are pretty solid
[18:06] <bigcalm> popey: want to buy back this WNDR3700? ;)
[18:06] <popey> hah
[18:06] <popey> what's wrong with it?
[18:06] <popey> also, how much did you give me for it?
[18:06] <diddledan__> not enough ports :-p
[18:07] <popey> (I may)
[18:07] <diddledan__> popey: does he make a loss on it, break even or get a small profit (should you buy it back)?
[18:08] <diddledan__> :-p
[18:09] <bigcalm> popey: nothing wrong with it except that I need more than the 4 ethernet ports it provides.
[18:09] <bigcalm> popey: £50
[18:09] <popey> ahhh
[18:10] <bigcalm> It might make me consider the Netgear Wireless-N 8 Port Gigabit VPN Firewall
[18:11] <bigcalm> I still have this WNDR3800 I bricked. Never got around to trying to fix it
[18:13] <bigcalm> Anybody heard of / used pcmshop.com ?   http://www.pcmshop.info/Netgear-8-Port-ProSafe-Wireless-N-Gigabit-VPN-Firewall-FVS318N-100NAS-A5485530
[18:15] <ali1234> i'll give you £20 for the WNDR3800. or i'll fix it for £20.
[18:16] <bigcalm> There's no advantage of doing so (for me) as it's the same number of ports
[18:17] <bigcalm> I have a usb ttl device, just need to get around to plugging it in
[18:19] <bigcalm> I wonder if the netgear switch I'm looking at has the NSA loving going on
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: dumb switch or smart
[18:21] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: the one with wifi, so smart
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: then maybe
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: but if it's firewalled so it can't talk to the outside AND nothing from the outside can talk to it.. how is it going to talk to them?
[18:22] <bigcalm> ...
[18:23] <bigcalm> I want to buy this as it'll mean that I don't need an extra mains socket in use
[18:23] <bigcalm> I like things to be neat
[18:25] <bigcalm> popey: or was is £70. One of those two numbers anyway :)
[18:29] <DJones> bigcalm: Has your laptop arrived yet?
[18:30] <DJones> Missed the last 48 hours on IRC due to a funeral
[18:30] <bigcalm> DJones: sorry man :(
[18:30] <bigcalm> DJones: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/426375609325858816/photo/1
[18:31] <bigcalm> DJones: very nice so far. Had a problem with 14.04 where the laptop would power back on after being told to shut down. But that issue appears to have gone away after trying the upstream kernel and then going back to the ubuntu one - most odd
[18:32] <bigcalm> DJones: the keys will take some getting used to. They remind me of the keys on a public internet phone
[18:32] <bigcalm> DJones: the mouse pad is annoying as the left and right mouse buttons are also track pad
[18:32] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: what they do is intercept the package after it leaves the seller and before it gets to you. they put in a small circuit board which is about 1cmx1cm, and that contains a radio that copies all ethernet packets. they can then monitor you from up to 8 miles away.
[18:32] <bigcalm> DJones: the touch screen is just a gimmick (to me) as Ubuntu isn't really set up for touch yet
[18:33] <DJones> bigcalm: Interesting, at least it will install Ubuntu without issues from the sound of things
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: ah wait that one. Just open the case yourself first :)
[18:33] <DJones> bigcalm: But looks nice
[18:33] <bigcalm> DJones: yes. As long as the install media isn't corrupted (as mine was 1st time)
[18:33] <ali1234> yeah the thing is that that small circuit is built into the ethernet connector
[18:33] <ali1234> so you won't see it if you just open the case
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: also, 8 miles? I can't even get wifi over 100m
[18:33] <ali1234> you have to xray the circuit board
[18:34] <ali1234> it might have been 8km. probably not though, US hates metric
[18:34] <DJones> bigcalm: Its tempting......................................
[18:34] <bigcalm> DJones: it's heavy - cast AU. Also getting used to it
[18:34] <DJones> bigcalm: How is it with Minecraft
[18:34] <bigcalm> DJones: yet to try that! Heh
[18:34] <DJones> Thats the killer app...
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: cast Al I hope. Au is a bit expensive to make laptops out ofg
[18:35] <bigcalm> Erm, yes, Al :D
[18:35] <DJones> Cast Gold?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> DJones: you don't have a gold laptop?
[18:36] <bigcalm> DJones: the battery is under the back panel that has to be unscrewed to access. So don't expect a 3rd party enhancement any time soon
[18:36] <bigcalm> DJones: I've yet to see what the battery performance is like yet. Only been setting things up so far
[18:37] <DJones> bigcalm: Cheers, will give it a week then will poke your brain
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: my XPS-12 can go for about 6 hours
[18:37] <bigcalm> DJones: this is the output of lspci http://paste.ubuntu.com/6803821/ - Bloody optimus :S
[18:37] <DJones> Heh, thought that might be an issue
[18:37] <bigcalm> DJones: don't leave it too long, Dell are doing free shipping at the moment
[18:38] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: this isn't an XPS and it's a larger screen. I have high hopes though :)
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it is haswell though, right?
[18:38] <DJones> bigcalm: ...points at work credit credit card...
[18:38] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: yes
[18:39] <bigcalm> DJones: if you make it a work purchase, I'm sure you could get it cheaper than the 799 I paid
[18:39] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: what's haswell?
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: your laptop
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> CPU
[18:40] <bigcalm> Ah, okay
[18:40] <DJones> bigcalm: Probably not
[18:41] <bigcalm> DJones: work bought me my Alienware X51 - much cheaper than doing so as a consumer as the sales reps all want the commission so can drop the price
[18:41] <DJones> bigcalm: Don't think there will be much difference
[18:43] <bigcalm> I'll check Minecraft in a bit ;)
[19:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: sometimes I wonder if you bother to read the things you paste what haswell ;)
[19:13] <mapps> phw my nexus7 charged
[19:13] <mapps> thought it was broked:D wouldnt turn on and didnt show the battery icon when i plugged it in
[19:13] <mapps> but left it for hours and its now charged and powered up
[19:15] <diddledan__> mapps: running ubuntu?
[19:19] <mapps> nope
[19:20] <mapps> not tried that yet
[19:20] <mapps> perhapos i should
[19:21] <bigcalm> davmor2: I really don't know what haswell is though :)
[19:21] <diddledan__> I've read that in the past some people have had issues similar to that when running ubuntu on there where their device will drain down so completely that it won't charge (sometimes using a specific model of charger has overcome the problem)
[19:22]  * bigcalm doesn't know about hardware
[19:22]  * bigcalm goes to eat food instead
[19:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: the line from your lspci paste actually gives a pretty good description hence saying what I said :P
[19:22] <mapps> diddledan__,  i remember reading that same happens with nexus7 running droid ..if its drains completely it takes hours to charge..but there was also the problem where it wouldnt charge at all sometimes..my first n7 i had to take back to argos
[19:22] <mapps> it ran down and then no matter what i did couldnbt get ut to charge up
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> wow. g+ is flaky atm
[19:24] <diddledan__> I guess when it completely runs out of juice the hardware can't rebootstrap enough to get the charging software to put the device into a charging state until after it's got enough charge to be able to run the software (catch 22)
[19:24] <diddledan__> software/firmware
[19:24] <mapps> yea
[19:24] <mapps> i never used g+
[19:24] <mapps> :D
[19:24] <diddledan__> I forget to use g+
[19:24] <davmor2> diddledan__: I haven't had that issue
[19:25] <diddledan__> also most the folk I know apart from you lot aren't on there
[19:26] <diddledan__> one major annoyance I have with g+ is that it doesn't ajax new content until you click the "new" button
[19:26] <davmor2> diddledan__: are you saying you know people outside of us?  :P
[19:26] <diddledan__> davmor2: good point
[19:27] <diddledan__> so when does google become wayland corp and own the entire planet?
[19:28] <mapps> ya
[19:28] <mapps> free taxis
[19:28] <mapps> whatever next
[19:29] <davmor2> diddledan__: no Intel become wayland.  Google become skynet
[19:29] <mapps> what a nuisance..lost my passport between manchester airport and home;/
[19:29] <diddledan__> ergh, mapps that sucks
[19:30] <mapps> gotta get a replacement lost/stolen fill in a new form..a lost form 2 new photos AND get it all countersigned
[19:30] <diddledan__> and, free taxis? shuddup and take my money!
[19:30] <mapps> right pain if it was a rep[lacement dont need countersign but as its lost i do..luckily my friends wifes a teacher
[19:30] <diddledan__> oh. no money involved.
[19:30] <mapps> but it also says 'may have to come for an interview to prove your identity' lol shouldnt they be more worred about the people they dont know are here and illegals on fake passports..than me a genuine brit
[19:31] <mapps> thinking of going away in March too so must get it sorted
[19:31] <mapps> :)
[19:34] <DJones> mapps: How do they know you're a genuine BRIT though, as against somebody who's looked at a gravestone for a random DOB
[19:35] <mapps> hm
[19:35] <mapps> well
[19:35] <mapps> it asks my mum/dads dob place of birty etc too
[19:36] <DJones> Yeah, but .... google.... or more specialised family history websites
[19:36] <diddledan__> they should implant a chip at birth and then you can just wave your foot over a head-height scanner
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> "Sorry, you can't ride this roller coaster"
[19:37] <DJones> diddledan__: Only after the replacement hips
[19:37] <DJones> diddledan__: You have a lot of tails
[19:38] <diddledan__> either that or minority-report style retina scanners everywhere
[19:38] <shauno> I'd totally be in favour of the implant idea, if we could actually trust anyone to compartmentalize data cleanly
[19:39] <diddledan__> shauno: gchq are being fasttracked through the court of human rights
[19:39] <diddledan__> technically it's a challenge to gchq that's being fasttracked**
[19:40] <diddledan__> I guess the court things something might be amiss?
[19:43] <mapps> about what?
[19:43] <mapps> and yes retina scanners/chips :D do away with passports
[19:43] <mapps> heh
[19:45] <shauno> just saying I like the idea but not the side effects.  I like the idea of having scanners in door handles so your front door works magically; in laptops so it only works for the right users, etc
[19:45] <shauno> but my landlord, employer, border control, boots don't all need access to the same info.  and we've wound up in a strange place where they all would
[19:48] <DJones> shauno: as long as you don't work for google/ms/spammer/government/nsa etc I'm sure the info wouldn't be available :)
[20:00] <shauno> I dunno.  tesco probably know more about me than the state.  phillips probably have better records of when I'm home or not than I do.  it's pretty much everywhere now
[20:04] <Myrtti> stupid Google
[20:10] <mapps> that was strange
[20:10] <mapps> https://<IP_ADDRESS>/testing/ is my dir containing cgiirc on my server and it was saying server error..perhaps downtime or exceeded capacity..restarted apache and it worked fine hm
[20:30] <shauno> hah, I just noticed valve released their own version of 'ye olde steamos'.  very cool  (yes, I'm a bit late)
[20:30] <daftykins> :D
[20:31] <directhex> yeah, but theirs doesn't support dmraid
[20:31] <directhex> i do a video of that, and i get a queue out the door of people offering me "services" as thanks
[20:31] <shauno> yeah, I noticed your comparison on the forum
[20:32] <diddledan__> "services"?
[20:32] <diddledan__> as in personal or bona fide?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> pro bono?
[20:36] <mapps> what would it be useful for shauno
[20:38] <MartijnVdS>  oh wow.. look what I just found: http://i.imgur.com/vy9q7tf.jpg
[20:38] <diddledan__> which version of the kernel was that?
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> let me check
[20:39] <diddledan__> 2.4 or earlier? :-p
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> it has http://www.toms.net/rb/ on it
[20:39] <diddledan__> 16MB of RAMS!
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: "Slink and a half with a 2.2.13 kernel"
[20:39] <shauno> heh, I still have the old-style fsf membership 'card' in the same format
[20:40] <diddledan__> I'd like to see you try to put it into a slot-load dvd drive :-p
[20:40] <diddledan__> aka every mac since 2005
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> all files are from 1999-2000
[20:40] <diddledan__> nice
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> january 2000
[20:41] <shauno> heh, my mac doesn't have a dvd drive :)  but the one ones are usb
[20:41] <diddledan__> shauno: yeah, but that's because you broke it
[20:42] <shauno> nah it still works.  it's in a drawer somewhere, I think
[20:42] <diddledan__> my mac has a usb dvd drive because it didn't come with one
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> I'm going to boot it in a vm
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> or not.. I'm going to make an iso anyway
[20:44] <diddledan__> it'll fly even in qemu's emulation mode (as opposed to hardwared virtualisation - kvm or kqemu e.g.)
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: oh probably :)
[20:44] <shauno> I appear to have broken my fireplace.  I didn't know that was possible :/
[20:44] <daftykins> as in an electric/gas fire unit?
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: chimney fire?
[20:45] <diddledan__> shauno: you're pretty good at breaking things
[20:45] <shauno> nah, the grate snapped
[20:45] <shauno> not gas/electric, fireplace = a hole in the wall you burn stuff in
[20:45] <daftykins> fair enough
[20:45] <diddledan__> like photos of the ex?
[20:45] <daftykins> the term is often misused
[20:46] <diddledan__> or better - like voodoo dolls of the ex?
[20:48] <daftykins> nearly time for your weekend sleeping pills diddledan! :D
[20:48] <diddledan__> :-p
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> http://tomorrowcorporation.com/littleinferno (available on steam on linux)
[20:58] <Azelphur> hey MartijnVdS a while back we were working on getting my IPv6 going, and my ISP needed to give me some details and activate me
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and, did they? :)
[20:59] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: they did indeed, here's the info they gave me http://pastebin.com/ZpaHmQWa
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ah so it's a manual job :)
[20:59] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:00] <diddledan__> google+ being down has made the news: http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/24/gmail-goes-down-across-the-world/
[21:00] <Azelphur> so on openwrt, I assume I'm editing my wan6 interface
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: can you paste your /etc/config/network as well?
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (you can blank out any passwords)
[21:01] <diddledan__> Azelphur: which isp are you using?
[21:01] <diddledan__> (sheer curiosity here)
[21:01] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/i0f8JYnj
[21:01] <Azelphur> diddledan__: enta.net
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://pastebin.com/EpSxJLgu -- I've modified it a bit :)
[21:05] <Azelphur> oO
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: - ip6assign on interface lan is now 64, so autoconfigure will actually work
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: - wan6 is now static/manually configured
[21:05] <Azelphur> so just drop that config in, and then networking restart?
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> I suppose
[21:06] <diddledan__> except ipv4 won't work then
[21:06] <diddledan__> oh wait
[21:06] <diddledan__> ignore me
[21:06] <diddledan__> ip4 is configged by pppoe
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> /ignore diddledan__
[21:06] <diddledan__> /nick diddledan_
[21:08]  * MartijnVdS hopes Azelphur didn't drop off the net
[21:11] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nah, I'm back
[21:11] <Azelphur> it's actually looking a little hopeful
[21:11] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-24-211126_1702x915_scrot.png
[21:12] <Azelphur> but http://test-ipv6.com/ says I don't have IPv6 :(
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: let me try :)
[21:12] <Azelphur> also for some reason my DNS stopped working
[21:13] <Azelphur> swapped from my ISPs DNS to google DNS to resolve that, though
[21:13] <shauno> curious, if you're assigning it to wan6, why does wan have a v6 address and wan6 doesn't?
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> shauno: openwrt handles interface aliases strangely
[21:14] <shauno> just curious.  it makes it a bit strange trying to compare the config to the apparent output
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: on the device, can you do "route  -n -A inet6"
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and pastebin it
[21:15] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: on router or PC?
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: on the router
[21:16] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u6b66KzV
[21:16] <diddledan__> your default ::1 route looks odd
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> everything to :: seems odd
[21:17] <diddledan__> oh wait
[21:17] <diddledan__> that's loopback
[21:17] <diddledan__> ignore me again
[21:17] <Azelphur> xD
[21:17] <diddledan__> ::/0 is default route
[21:17] <diddledan__> which you don't have one of
[21:17] <diddledan__> so your router doesn't know where to send ip6 packets that need to leave your network
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> but that's what ip6gw should be for
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> probably best to ask on an OpenWRT-specific channel
[21:19] <diddledan__> ip6gw is to a network not a single ip - it should have a :2 at the end?
[21:19] <ujjain1> I am going to move to London.
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: nah, his ISP gave him an entire /64 for a single PTP link between router and ISP
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: so I'm guessing :0 and :1 are used for that
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> but I have no idea..
[21:19] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: righto I'll move to #openwrt, could you jump in and perhaps dumb down things they say xD
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: just say you got those things from your ISP <pastebin here>, and this is your config now <pastebin here>, and if they have pointers to help make it work
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: because routes don't seem to be getting set correctly :)
[21:20] <Azelphur> ok
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: can you paste the output of "ifconfig -a" as well?
[21:21] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/hADGLDBr
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> noything weird that I can see, but ask  openwrt :)
[21:23] <ujjain1> MartijnVdS, do you live in the UK?
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> ujjain1: no
[21:23] <ujjain1> ah ok, Holland then.
[21:24] <diddledan__> holland is the next logical location after the uk?
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: of course!
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: for everything!
[21:25] <diddledan__> MartijnVdS: except bandwidth where the roles are reversed - you've pretty much got the whole internet thing sewn up over there
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> diddledan__: yup :)
[21:25] <ujjain1> diddledan__, he has a Dutch name.
[21:26] <diddledan__> ujjain1: I ignore the j and just pronounce it Martin
[21:26] <ujjain1> well, I am going to move to London from the Netherlands and I am scared, financially etc., but I feel I am being to anxious anyway.
[21:26] <ujjain1> haha yeah,
[21:26] <ujjain1> I recently saw a map of Europe´s funniest accents in English, I laughed when I saw #1 French, I was a bit sad when I saw #2 Dutch.
[21:27] <diddledan__> they're funnier than scottish or scouse??
[21:30] <diddledan__> www.worldenergy is down - I can't get in via ssh and I don't have any other access details to get into the machine to see why mysql isn't working
[21:30] <diddledan__> .org*
[21:31] <diddledan__> :-(
[21:31] <diddledan__> I guess it's going to remain down till after the weekend
[21:58] <shauno> I will admit, the size of subnets still boggles my mind.  "I can has ipv6?"  "sure kid, have a /56" takes some getting used to
[21:58] <shauno> I have two /48's, one on each router.  that makes my head hurt
[22:03] <diddledan__> shauno: that's a LOT of address space (2x/48)
[22:03] <shauno> indeed
[22:06] <shauno> it's just funny the way it works out.  get a /48, nice and easy.  try to point one /56 to one endopint and another /56 to another .. it's easier for them to just dole out another /48
[22:07] <diddledan__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25860454
[22:11] <shauno> now that's a 10-minute class you'll remember
[22:13] <shauno> I was reading about the 'rosetta' mission recently.  it still amazes me that they can target a tiny little rock in the middle of one big nothing, and hit it
[22:14] <diddledan__> more info: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/22/amateurs_tag_new_supernova/
[22:14] <diddledan__> shauno: and yet they aim at mars and miss so much they can't even figure out where the damned thing went
[22:15] <diddledan__> (metric+imperial)
[22:15] <shauno> hey, there's a lot of nothing out there
[22:16] <diddledan__> but doing the numbers right is kinda an obvious thing to try, though, no?
[22:16] <shauno> I've been playing a whole lot of KSP .. I still have a little dude in a tin can somewhere that I have no idea how to bring home.  one 'oopsie' is all it takes
[22:17] <diddledan__> KSP is awesome. I haven't got out of kerbin's gravity yet
[22:17] <diddledan__> I don't play games much though
[22:17] <shauno> I'm actually putting together a mars mission right now :)
[22:17] <shauno> completely overdone though.  I spend last night docking chunks together at 6-7 seconds per frame
[22:18] <diddledan__> ouch
[22:18] <diddledan__> that's SLOW
[22:18] <diddledan__> you must have had a helluva lot of components to be that slow
[22:19] <shauno> to put it midly :)
[22:21] <shauno> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23042/Screen%20Shot%202014-01-24%20at%2008.01.51.png   (the stripey texturing is an odd glitch I keep hitting when I drive it too hard)
[22:23] <shauno> (the green section is a floating gas station, 90,000 units of fuel in orbit.  and red station is my 'tug' come to refuel.  it can tow pretty much anything I can put into orbit, to pretty much anywhere)
[22:36] <shauno> (I since discovered the coloured lights are a huge fps hit, but .. I like them :)
[22:45] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: found a dude who's on enta+openwrt, he's gonna send me his configs in the morning \o/
[22:57] <bigcalm> Tum te tum
[23:26] <shauno> I really should look into a new router.  atm I have one that has the throughput, but no toys (it's apple), and one that has teh powerz but lame throughput
[23:37] <shauno> out of curiousity, I popped up a ssh honeypot.  the results after the first week kinda broke my stereotypes.  china's only in third place, after india & the US
[23:44] <diddledan__> shauno: proxies
[23:45] <shauno> it doesn't seem so, actually.  they all came from a single host, but out-numbered everyone else
[23:47] <shauno> interesting to trawl through the list of attempted passwords though
[23:51] <shauno> I'm actually surprised to see not a single AWS address in 5,000 attempts, since they have something of a reputation for being a cesspool
[23:55] <shauno> also interesting to see a series of attempts from nanjing for root/alpine.  that's the default root pass on the iphone
[23:58] <shauno> seems a bit tenuous, since you have to root your phone, install ssh but not change the password.  and then be behind a carrier that doesn't NAT mobile, assuming they exist


[07:34] <fishcooker> is it possible to install server using ubuntu desktop live usb?
[07:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> better alternate or netinstal
[07:44] <fishcooker> noted JohnDoe_71Rus, thanks
[11:39] <powerpete> After Installing Lubunut 16.04 in VM, I can not switch my keyboard layout to switzerland layout. it's not available.
[11:41] <powerpete> Why is this not availble.? I don't know this issue from ubuntue 16.04
[11:41] <powerpete> How to solve the problem?
[13:22] <murii> what do you guys think about the latest version of lubuntu?
[13:22] <murii> Should I run it as my main OS?
[13:23] <murii> also,for how long will it be supported?
[13:23] <habeangur> I usually run LTS ones to have a more stable system
[13:23] <hateball> !lts
[13:23] <hateball> murii: LTS is 5 years, non-LTS 9 months
[13:24] <murii> 17 is non-LTS?
[13:24] <hateball> so "the latest" would be 17.04, and that is supported until the end of the year pretty much
[13:24] <murii> ah
[13:24] <habeangur> how can I switch user in Lubuntu?
[13:24] <hateball> by then you should have upgraded to 17.10 for a new 9 month cycle
[13:24] <habeangur> murii: yes 17 is non LTS, the next LTS is 18.04
[13:24] <hateball> murii: LTS is released every 2 years, so 18.04 will be LTS
[13:24] <murii> hateball, what if I won't upgrade?
[13:25] <habeangur> murii: you won't receive new softwares
[13:25] <murii> fair enough
[13:25] <murii> thank you!
[13:25] <hateball> murii: well you dont get security updates etc
[13:25] <habeangur> murii: yet with many tricks you can install software on a out dated ubuntu
[13:26] <hateball> !eolupgrade
[13:26] <habeangur> murii: but for your security you would better upgrade to the new one
[13:30] <habeangur> so anyone know how to switch user?
[13:30] <habeangur> from command line?
[13:30] <habeangur> I know I can run lxsession-logout and click on the button but I want to do it from command line
[13:36] <murii> were you guys able to install skype ?
[13:36] <dzho> habeangur: within the context of the command line itself '/bin/su - otherusernamehere' might be what you want.
[13:37] <murii> I'm prompted with Software Install utility and when I click on the "Install" button nothing happens
[13:37] <hateball> murii: How are you trying to install it?
[13:37] <hateball> !skype
[13:37] <hateball> iirc it is in partner or universe repo
[13:37] <hateball> otherwise for personal use it works in a browser
[13:37] <hateball> afaik
[13:37] <hateball> (I do not use it)
[13:40] <murii> hateball, that does not work
[13:40] <murii> Package skype is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[13:48] <murii> help?
[13:48] <murii> please
[13:50] <hateball> !patience
[14:00] <maiux> hello all
[14:01] <maiux> can someone help me setting up tightvncserver as "virtual desktop" on lubuntu 16.04 lts?
[14:02] <maiux> I need to launch lxde session in my ~/.vnc/xstartup and I can't get it to work
[15:05] <habeangur> dzho: what?I want to switch user, as I do when clicking on that button in lxsession-logout
[15:09] <dzho> habeangur: sorry, can't help with that. Maybe you should just click that button.
[16:01] <murii> what's the best way to completely remove a package?
[16:01] <murii> sudo apt remove seems like it's not enough
[16:02] <murii> purge?
[16:12] <habeangur> dzho: I want a command line way instead of clicking that button, if there is no way to do such thing, I want to modify the source code to make it suitable for myself
[16:14] <leszek> murii: yep exactly sudo apt purge
[16:21] <habeangur> should I rapid my question?
[16:57] <shadi> Hi, I have installed lubuntu 17.04 in my laptop. There is only one diskspace created at the time of installation. Now I want to do partition. I have installed gparted.But I can't partition it.Can anyone help?
[17:38] <leszek> 2mins 30seconds
[17:38] <leszek> people don't have patience nowadays
[17:53] <Croco> Hi, I am trying to use internet on lubuntu(in windows10 vmware) Could you give a general guide for network setup?
[18:07] <JohnDoe_71Rus> simple nat шт vmware settings
[18:07] <JohnDoe_71Rus> *in
[20:09] <lubuntu_FanBoy> Hello
[20:10] <lubuntu_FanBoy> Guys I have a question
[20:10] <lubuntu_FanBoy> How to remove HexChat Icon from taskbar ?


[00:00] <Unit193> (To further ammend Laney's pointing to #ubuntu, precise isn't supported anymore.
[00:00] <Unit193> )
[00:02] <dax> Unit193: so you could say you made the topic more precise by making the topic have less precise
[00:02] <sarnold> *groan*
[00:02] <Unit193> Hahaha. :D
[03:36] <ArMedic> Is there a way to display the battery meter with a numerical output in 17.10?
[03:41] <sarnold> ArMedic: you may have more luck in #ubuntu
[03:42] <ArMedic> sarnold, Thanks, but thats why I came in here, no luck there.
[03:43] <sarnold> oh. bummer.
[05:48] <RAOF> Oh, huh.
[05:48] <RAOF> I appear to have TIL-status on capnproto. Oops.
[06:06] <RAOF> Dear lord!
[06:06] <RAOF> Since when did C++ libraries start downloading code from github as a part of the build?!
[06:10] <juergh> Trevinho, did you see my gjs_dumpstack() trace  in LP: #1714989
[06:10] <Unit193> "Well golang does it!"
[06:11] <Trevinho> juergh: yes, and I submitted a fix on the extension for that right now
[06:11] <Trevinho> juergh: https://github.com/jderose9/dash-to-panel/pull/263
[06:11] <Trevinho> if you can test that change in your local extension it would be cool
[06:11] <Trevinho> (just apply that diff to your file should work)
[06:11] <juergh> Trevinho, sweet!
[06:11] <juergh> Trevinho, I'll give it a try
[06:11] <Trevinho> juergh: however I was askinf for other dumps to people having such issues with not that extension
[06:11] <Trevinho> juergh: thanks
[06:12] <juergh> Trevinho, I have another dash-to-panel dump. You don't need that, right?
[06:13] <Trevinho> juergh: oh, why not
[06:13] <Trevinho> juergh: feel free to send it
[06:16] <juergh> Trevinho, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~juergh/1714989/
[06:17] <Trevinho> juergh: oh, that was the full crash i thought you menat a jhs_dumpstack
[06:17] <Trevinho> but ok, this should be enough
[06:18] <juergh> Trevinho, oh. :-P
[06:28] <Trevinho> juergh: for reference, you were getting the crash ina repeatible way, or just... it happens?
[06:43] <juergh> Trevinho, not repeatable but very frequent. there were actually two different types of crashes. 'simple' shell resets and real crashes that resulted in a dump.
[06:44] <juergh> I just had another crash and a new dump file. I'll upload it.
[06:44] <Trevinho> juergh: ok, using the patch I did or not?
[06:44] <juergh> This is with your patch. So there might be different issues.
[06:44] <Trevinho> ok, fair enough, let me know once you've it uploaded
[06:46] <Trevinho> juergh: you reloaded gnome-shell after updating the file, right?
[06:46] <juergh> Trevinho, yes
[06:46] <Trevinho> juergh: [or alt+f2 -> r -> enter if in X]
[06:46] <Trevinho> ok
[06:47] <juergh> and it just crashed again. oh boy.
[06:48] <juergh> Trevinho, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~juergh/1714989/_usr_bin_gnome-shell.2000.crash-201710200842
[06:48] <juergh> oh hold on.
[06:48] <Trevinho> juergh: oh, if you can attach to gdb would probably be helpful
[06:48] <juergh> I think that dump was replaced while I was uploading
[06:49] <juergh> Trevinho, ack. let me attach gdb.
[06:49] <Trevinho> juergh: I'm getting 403 on it though
[06:49] <Trevinho> in both
[06:49] <Trevinho> (even the old one)
[06:49] <Trevinho> +r might be nice :)
[06:59] <juergh> Trevinho, maeh. sorry about that. fixed now. but I removed the latest one, not sure if it's in a coherent state.
[07:06] <Trevinho> juergh: well, is that unpacking with apport-unpack?
[07:07] <juergh> Trevinho, I don't know what apport-unpack is, so I guess the answer is no? :-)
[07:08] <Trevinho> it just unpacks your crash into usable data
[07:08] <Trevinho> juergh: i mean you can check if it is valid at elast
[07:08] <Trevinho> least*
[07:08] <juergh> btw, I just uploaded a new dumpfile and stacktrace.
[07:09] <juergh> this seems very unstable now...
[07:12] <juergh> Trevinho, I reverted your patch. I just had another crash.
[07:14] <Trevinho> juergh: so, the one I tested that was uploaded had the same issue..
[07:16] <Trevinho> juergh: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~juergh/1714989/stacktrace.201710200903 this was referred to the one with my patch or not?
[07:17] <juergh> Trevinho, yes. with your patch.
[07:18] <Trevinho> juergh: can you pass me the file too, so I have proper lines?
[07:18] <Trevinho><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:33] <Trevinho> juergh: oh, i just noticed a typo in my patch
[07:39] <Trevinho> juergh: so the patch you should actually apply is https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25777475/
[07:40] <Trevinho> for your version I mean
[07:40] <Trevinho> juergh: full file will be https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25777478/
[07:40] <Trevinho> as extension stock version is different from master in GH
[07:57] <juergh> Trevinho, that looks vastly different from github master.
[07:58] <Trevinho> juergh: that's what is on gnome extension store
[08:01] <Trevinho> juergh: when you installed the extension you should have got that version (minus the fix) no?
[08:03] <juergh> Trevinho, at first yes. but when it kept crashing I switched to github master.
[08:21] <juergh> Trevinho, what do you want me to test?
[08:32] <Trevinho> juergh: oh, ok then try to use git master again with my patch
[08:32] <Trevinho> juergh: and see how it goes
[08:32] <Trevinho> juergh: (new patch, first one had a wrong leftover)
[08:32] <Trevinho> which didn't cause any fix for sure
[08:46] <juergh> Trevinho, just to be sure, you want me to test https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25777475 ?
[09:54] <doko> rbasak, jamespage: are there any transitions you would like to start with for b?
[10:53] <Trevinho> juergh: that if you use the gnome-shell extensions website version, otherwise is https://github.com/jderose9/dash-to-panel/commit/1dfcd3e4b9e23fc2cd104be7a1e12c6fd4f18a46.diff
[11:45] <juergh> Trevinho, this looks promising. I haven't had a single reset/crash since 11am'ish.
[19:49] <andreas> hi, I want to SRU ubuntu-advantage-tools into trusty, xenial and zesty. The current version in artful is just "10", and t/x/z have "2". What should the version "template" be like for t/x/z? For example, considering x, 10~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>? Or 10~0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>? Summary: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25780812/
[19:50] <andreas> slangasek: do you have a tip? ^
[19:54] <johnnyfive> I am writing an implementation of the dpkg-scanpackages and other tools necessary for creating a full index in Go as a library. I am confused in one area. I can't seem to figure out which category/component (xenial-security/main) a package belongs to by reading the meta data from a .deb file. (
[19:55] <sarnold> johnnyfive: that information is recorded in the apt lists
[19:55] <nacc> johnnyfive: it's ot part of the deb
[19:55] <nacc> you were told this yesterday
[19:56] <nacc> (or whenever it was you asked the same thinng in #ubuntu)
[19:56] <johnnyfive> nacc, lol, yes I was, my question has moved on to where that data actually exists, which nobody had an answer for.
[19:56] <sarnold> johnnyfive: /var/lib/apt/lists/
[19:56] <nacc> johnnyfive: you were told where then, too
[19:56] <johnnyfive> ty
[19:56] <nacc> johnnyfive: it's stored in the package lists
[19:56] <johnnyfive> nacc, no I was not. sarnold, thanks!
[19:58] <nacc> johnnyfive: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/10/18/%23ubuntu.html#t19:43
[19:58] <nacc> took me a second to find it
[20:00] <slangasek> andreas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update_the_packaging as a guide; I think 10~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> follows, but either of those numbers would work and I have no strong feeling
[20:01] <johnnyfive> nacc, I stand corrected. I did not see that. However there has to be something upstream that makes those lists, but it's obvious that information is not available here
[20:05] <nacc> johnnyfive: aiui, packages in main are seeded (see the seed files) or a dependency of a package in main.
[20:06] <nacc> johnnyfive: i believe germinate is what figures out that full list
[20:06] <nacc> universe is basically everything else, multiverse is non-free (from debian) and partner is a separate archive
[20:08] <sarnold> what's the goal here? if you want to make your own archive mirror but after rebuilding all the packages, you might have more success with https://www.aptly.info/ or the apt-ftparchive package
[20:08] <nacc> johnnyfive: as i said the other day, i thikn you're still better off workingn with ubuntu rather than forking if you think you are solvig a real security problem
[20:08] <nacc> sarnold: i believe johnnyfive is doig an archive rebuild internally to do something like source-address-randomization
[20:08] <nacc> where by source- i mean compile-time
[20:08] <sarnold> nacc: yeah, thanks for the log link :) quite handy
[20:09] <nacc> sarnold: aptly is a good reference, though, i forgot about that oe
[20:10] <johnnyfive> nacc and sarnold, thanks for the answers. Let me try again. My repo serves 100s of variations of the same package, to different customers. At some point, there will be a need for creating indexes of an entire repo on the fly. This is part of my job, to create these repos.
[20:11] <johnnyfive> and by "create these repos", I mean I'm given an output of /pool/main/<packages>, and I need to then create the appropriate index
[20:11] <johnnyfive> however, as you stated, there is no meta information on the deb to tell me whether the file should be indexed in /dists/xenial/main or /dists/xenial-updates/main
[20:12] <johnnyfive> if you run dpkg-scanpackages on /pool/main, it just shoves it all in the same index, without breaking it up into the correct categories
[20:12] <nacc> the package lists only tell you the components ... you would need to follow the publishing iformation, as i mentioned the other day too
[20:12] <nacc> or in your mirror + rebuild solution, save off the pocket things are in
[20:12] <sarnold> johnnyfive: right. the same binary package can be included in lucid, precise, trusty, xenial, zesty, artful, etc.
[20:13] <johnnyfive> so how does ubuntu/debian handle this? is there a build file when they are recreating an entire repo that tells the indexers which files to add to which pocket?
[20:14] <johnnyfive> I don't know what you mean by "publishing information", are you talked about the apt sources list data?
[20:14] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.0/+publishinghistory
[20:14] <nacc> e.g
[20:15] <sarnold> johnnyfive: if this were my problem to solve I thnk I'd skip launchpad, skip germinate, etc., and work strictly from the InRelease and Packages files from the mirrors
[20:16] <sarnold> johnnyfive: stuff in your per-customer md5, sha1, sha256, hashes for all the per-customer rebuilds
[20:17] <johnnyfive> sarnold, that's a def possibility. We have a few solutions, just really trying to understand how upstream does it.
[20:18] <nacc> johnnyfive: also, just to be clear, you very clearly indicate to your customers they are not running Ubuntu? :)
[20:18] <sarnold> heh I'm sure they pay enough to be sure of that :)
[20:18] <johnnyfive> I assume that during the build process, some database is queried to figure out which indexes it needs to be added to
[20:18] <nacc> sarnold: :)
[20:18] <johnnyfive> yes, they know exactly what they are getting
[20:19] <sarnold> johnnyfive: I think https://git.launchpad.net/germinate/tree/README?id=54c933eecf57cfa10526432740cc27f7b7671446 is the starting point..
[20:21] <johnnyfive> Thank you both
[20:21] <johnnyfive> i'll begin more digging. cheers
[20:22] <sarnold> (germinate -might- only do the .iso images! I've been happy to let others manage this ;)
[20:31] <cjwatson> johnnyfive: germinate is very probably too far back in the chain of events for your needs; for republishing an archive, you're better off looking at the override files in /ubuntu/indices/
[20:32] <cjwatson> (germinate is involved, but as the input to human decisions, so you don't want to use it here)
[20:33] <cjwatson> however, override files will tell you which component (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) things live in, but not which versions go in which suites (xenial, xenial-updates, zesty, etc.)
[20:34] <cjwatson> for that, I agree with sarnold - if you want to know what suites packages are published in in bulk, you should look at the published Packages etc. files
[20:34] <sarnold> cjwatson: oh cool, thanks. I've never actually looked in /ubuntu/indices/ before :)
[20:34] <cjwatson> it is possible to derive this from Launchpad queries, but it will be excruciatingly slow to try it that way via the webservice API when you're doing things in bulk
[20:35] <cjwatson> I mean, the Launchpad database is the ultimate source of truth on this and that's what we use, but it will be orders of magnitude faster to get that information from the Packages etc. files instead
[20:35] <cjwatson> because you don't have direct database access
[20:37] <Trevinho> juergh: cool, is it going smoothly still?
[20:37] <cjwatson> you don't need the overrides given the Packages files, though it may make life easier to feed them to apt-ftparchive
[21:39] <johnnyfive> cjwatson, awesome, ty for the info


[18:19] <philipballew> pleia2, I can tackle some summaries this afternoon/evening. I really have nothing going on.
[18:20] <philipballew> Well, I am currently stuck in Fairfield, though should make it back to Auburn in the next couple hours in the next few hours...
[18:24]  * philipballew has no love for the east bay
[18:25] <pleia2> thanks :)


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[00:27] <rottinrob> starting to understand QML a bit...not too tough
[01:53] <hp_> Hello
[01:54] <mhall119> hi
[05:37] <mihir_> Good Morning guys :)
[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <mihir_> dpm: good Morning :)
[07:06] <dpm> hi mihir_ :)
[07:06] <mihir_> dpm: hello :)
[07:06] <mihir_> dpm: how can we see the database that we are using like contacts in calendar application ??
[08:47] <dpm> nerochiaro, when you've got a minute, do you think you could look at this bug to update translations? It should only take a few minutes to fix: http://pad.lv/1232374
[08:49] <nerochiaro> dpm: i can have a look but it's not really very clear to me what do I need to do
[08:50] <dpm> nerochiaro, the same thing you did when you added translations support: run the cmake rule that updates the .pot file and commit and push the new .pot file. oSoMoN did it for webbrowser already, and perhaps he can point you to it
[08:50] <nerochiaro> dpm: ok, i'll look into it shortly
[08:50] <dpm> thank you!
[09:09] <nerochiaro> dpm: i marked share-app as invalid as it's not used anymore, and phone-app has been split into dialer-app, messanging-app and i think another i can't recall right now.
[09:10] <dpm> nerochiaro, thanks. Does that mean I need to disable translations for share-app?
[09:11] <nerochiaro> dpm: ideally share-app should be removed entirely from the image
[09:12] <dpm> nerochiaro, thanks. Would you be able to find out the third app the phone app has been split into?
[09:13] <dpm> who's developing them?
[09:13] <nerochiaro> dpm: looking, maybe i'm mistaken :)
[09:13] <nerochiaro> dpm: boiko and tiago mostly
[09:14] <nerochiaro> dpm: it's address-book-app
[09:15] <dpm> thanks nerochiaro :)
[09:15] <nerochiaro> dpm: no problem
[09:45] <nerochiaro> dpm: can you confirm that address-book-app has no pot file at all ?
[09:46] <dpm> nerochiaro, indeed it hasn't got one :( -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/address-book-app/trunk/files/head:/po/
[09:47] <dpm> I've been setting the three of them up for translation in LP, and the other two do have one
[09:47] <nerochiaro> dpm: yes, i'm checking them now, one is outdated
[09:48] <dpm> nerochiaro, ok, cool, would you be able to create the address-book-app one as well?
[09:51] <nerochiaro> dpm: i'll look into it but i'm not very handy with translation stuff
[09:52] <nerochiaro> dpm: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/dialer-app/dialer-app-pot/+merge/188538 ?
[09:52] <dpm> nerochiaro, thanks! I'm happy to help with any questions or reviews. Ok, looking at that one :)
[09:55] <dpm> +1'd
[09:58] <nerochiaro> dpm: in address book app according to po/CMakeLists.txt it should be already possible to just say make address-book-app.pot and it should update or generate the pot. I'm not sure why the target doesn't work
[09:58] <dpm> nerochiaro, what error does it give you when you run it manually?
[09:59] <dpm> hi gusch, when you've got a minute, do you think you could look at this bug to update translations for camera-app? It should only take a few minutes to fix: http://pad.lv/1232374
[09:59] <nerochiaro> dpm: make: *** No rule to make target `po/address-book-app.pot'. Stop.
[10:00] <nerochiaro> dpm: gusch: i already took care of it, they are already updated
[10:00] <dpm> ah, awesome nerochiaro
[10:00] <gusch> ok
[10:00] <oSoMoN> hey nerochiaro, when you have a moment, can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/notes-app/fix-pep8-warnings/+merge/188523 ?
[10:01] <nerochiaro> gusch: dpm: Same for gallery
[10:01] <dpm> nerochiaro, awesome, can you also link the branches to the bug so that I can keep track of which ones are remaining? Thanks!
[10:01] <nerochiaro> dpm: i already did for the one that i'm working on. marked them in progress as well. marked fix released the ones that are already up to date
[10:02] <dpm> rock on
[10:02] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: maybe i exchange can i ask you to check how to generate a .pot file for address-book-app ?
[10:03] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: sure
[10:05] <nerochiaro> dpm: all apps done. the only one that needed an update was dialer, and you reviewed the branch already. and address-boot which oSoMoN is looking at right now
[10:11] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: so, in address-book-app source dir, just "cmake . ; make address-book-app.pot"
[10:11] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: the thing is, for some reason the pot file is not versioned yet, so you’ll need to bzr add it, and the commit
[10:11] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i do that, it says there is no such target
[10:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: try on a fresh checkout
[10:12] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it's fresh
[10:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: fresher then :)
[10:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: it works here
[10:13] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: oh, wait. in all other apps i did make po/$appname.pot, and it works . here i have to do make $appname.pot to make it work. why the difference ?
[10:13] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: no idea, in the browser I also do "make webbrowser-app.pot" and it works
[10:14] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, whatever, i have the pot now, so that's all that matters ATM. thanks
[10:15] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ah, the pot file has to exist, then you can do po/$appname.pot and it works. make voodoo
[10:17] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: actually, it makes sense, "$appname.pot" is the name of the target, so it works regardless, whereas "po/$appname.pot" is the file that gets generated, and if it’s not previously there make doesn’t know which target it belongs to
[10:25] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: good explanation
[10:50] <nerochiaro> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/address-book-app/address-book-app-pot/+merge/188549
[10:59] <m-b-o> dpm popey: BLOCKED blueprints should not get potponed
[10:59] <m-b-o> ?
[11:00] <m-b-o> dpm, popey: POSTPONED  :)
[11:00] <popey> ey?
[11:00] <m-b-o> popey: in your mail
[11:00] <popey> they should if there's no way we can do them, surely?
[11:00] <popey> depends on the app
[11:02] <m-b-o> popey: okay. thanks. wasn't mentioned in the mail, so I was not sure about it
[11:03] <dpm> hi m-b-o, yes, as popey says
[11:03] <dpm> nerochiaro, reviewed, thanks!
[11:08] <om26er> oSoMoN, the webbrowser crashes for me when it tries to find my gps location on facebook.com
[11:08] <oSoMoN> om26er: is that on the latest image?
[11:08] <om26er> oSoMoN, very latest
[11:09] <om26er> oSoMoN, I am using saucy-proposed image
[11:09] <om26er> oSoMoN, is the gps location thing really supposed to work ?
[11:09] <oSoMoN> om26er: supposed to work, yes, but last time I checked it wasn’t working yet
[11:10] <oSoMoN> om26er: it wasn’t crashing though
[11:10] <oSoMoN> om26er: can you get a stacktrace and file a bug?
[11:10] <om26er> oSoMoN, how to get a stacktrace ?
[11:11] <oSoMoN> om26er: adb shell into your device, install gdb, and run the browser app in gdb
[11:11] <om26er> oSoMoN, ok
[11:26] <om26er> oSoMoN, the crash only happens with the facebook webapp.. how do I get a gdb trace for that ?
[11:26] <om26er> oSoMoN, opening the webbrowser and going to facebook.com and 'check out' work fine (i.e. no crash) doing the same with the web app causes the crash
[11:26] <oSoMoN> om26er: launch the browser in gdb, browse to facebook, wait for the crash to happen, and issue "t a a bt"
[11:26] <oSoMoN> om26er: ha
[11:27] <oSoMoN> om26er: what if you launch the browser with the URL of facebook as parameter?
[11:29] <davmor2> om26er: image 74 is balked so I wouldn't go mad testing it
[11:30] <om26er> oSoMoN, that doesn't crash
[11:30] <om26er> davmor2, I am pretty sure this issue will happen with 74 as well
[11:31] <om26er> davmor2, I am testing just for fun. I like to stay on the edge
[11:31] <oSoMoN> om26er: so you’ll need to run the browser with the exact same command line the webapp uses
[11:32] <davmor2> om26er: 74 has a usermetrics issues that means anything in usermetrics is broken so phone, sms, camera, nothing important though
[11:33] <oSoMoN> om26er: the command line is:
[11:33] <oSoMoN> aa-exec-click -p com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-facebook_webapp-facebook_1.0.3 -- webbrowser-app --enable-back-forward --webapp --webappUrlPatterns=https?://m.facebook.com/* http://m.facebook.com/
[11:33] <oSoMoN> om26er: try: webbrowser-app --enable-back-forward --webapp --webappUrlPatterns=https?://m.facebook.com/* http://m.facebook.com/
[11:33] <om26er> oSoMoN, yeah I was inside the desktop file
[11:33] <om26er> in .local/share/applications/
[11:39] <om26er> oSoMoN, no, does not crash this way :/
[11:40] <om26er> oSoMoN, do you have a maguro ? can you try if it happens there as well or is it just mako
[11:43] <om26er> tmoenicke, ping
[11:44] <om26er> tmoenicke, this keyboard view is jumpy http://i.imgur.com/TSnvwCQ.png
[11:44] <oSoMoN> om26er: yep, trying
[11:44] <om26er> the 123 should be always on the left
[11:44] <om26er> make the spacebar a bit longer
[11:44] <oSoMoN> om26er: so it’s simply launching the fb webapp, logging in, and accepting the location request, right?
[11:44] <om26er> oSoMoN, yep
[11:51] <tmoenicke> om26er: it is what?
[11:52] <om26er> tmoenicke, I said jumpy because when I tap on the '123' button the 'ABC' button appears on a different location
[11:52] <om26er> i would expect both to be at the same place
[11:53] <om26er> tmoenicke, compare these two http://i.imgur.com/hQ97B5F.png http://i.imgur.com/YMZxAyE.png
[11:54] <om26er> rather this http://i.imgur.com/tftvy5c.png and http://i.imgur.com/TSnvwCQ.png
[11:54] <om26er> tmoenicke, do you understand the issue ?
[11:54] <tmoenicke> om26er: thats how design wants it
[11:55] <tmoenicke> om26er: pls ping rachel and ask what she thinks
[11:55] <om26er> tmoenicke, ok.
[11:56] <tmoenicke> om26er: we might have to put a modified symbol layout which matches the layout of url_seach
[11:57] <om26er> tmoenicke, my ideal solution would be to consume the empty space that we have move the '?123' button to the extreme left and the / button following it. and make the space bar longer
[11:58] <tmoenicke> om26er: the design spec shows an empty area at the left
[12:10] <om26er> oSoMoN, regarding http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/4498/notes-app-autopilot/442410/
[12:10] <om26er> how about I change the tests to fetch images from local location ;)
[12:10] <om26er> instead of localhost/blabla doing file:///
[12:11] <om26er> oSoMoN, this came from Bill' email
[12:28] <GuidoPallemans> dpm: when are the app showdown results coming?
[12:29] <dpm> hi GuidoPallemans, I'd prefer not to commit to an exact time and not set expectations, as we're still not done with the voting (sorry)
[12:30] <GuidoPallemans> that's okay
[12:57] <oSoMoN> om26er: I’m not convinced this will improve things, but we can try that, yes
[12:59] <smartboyhw> dpm, where's your blog post? ;)
[13:00] <dpm> I've been busy with other things, we don't always get the time to do all what we're planning :)
[13:00] <smartboyhw> dpm, oy, didn't I say that no Hangouts for me?:P
[13:00] <dpm> smartboyhw, and did I not answer your question when you told me? :P
[13:01] <smartboyhw> dpm, you said we can use IRC
[13:01] <smartboyhw> dpm, wait, is the Hangout on Air or private?
[13:02] <dpm> exactly, but for those who can make it for the hangout, we'll use the hangout. I'm happy to schedule a follow-up meeting on IRC for those who could not make it
[13:02] <narekb> will the hangout record be available lateR?
[13:03] <dpm> smartboyhw, it's not going to be on-air, but I can see if I can record it and share it. You have got experience contributing to Ubuntu, so most of the things won't be new to you
[13:03] <smartboyhw> dpm, ah good it's not on-air, I can join then
[13:03] <dpm> ah, awesome!
[13:21] <oSoMoN> om26er: regarding the fb app crash, I just tested, and it found my location without even asking my permission, scary…
[13:21] <oSoMoN> om26er: I’ll delete the cache and retest
[13:21] <om26er> oSoMoN, good that it worked for you :)
[13:21] <om26er> the feature does not work at all for me
[13:22] <om26er> well it might be I am inside my room. gps generally works better out in the open
[13:22] <oSoMoN> om26er: no, not good, I don’t expect fb to know my location without me granting it permission to do so
[13:22]  * popey re-activates his dormant evernote account
[13:23] <smartboyhw> popey, heh heh
[13:24] <oSoMoN> om26er: ok, just got the crash
[13:24] <oSoMoN> om26er: have you filed a bug that I can confirm?
[13:25] <om26er> oSoMoN, in a hangout right now. I was reporting the bug but then did get the logs successfully
[13:26] <oSoMoN> om26er: I’ll try to get a backtrace, if you could at least file the bug I’ll attach them there
[13:26] <om26er> oSoMoN, sure Sir!
[13:32] <om26er> oSoMoN, bug 1233678
[13:34] <oSoMoN> om26er: thanks, and I managed to reproduce from the command line, it appears this is apparmour preventing the app from doing something it’s not allowed to do, need to dig further
[13:41] <tmoenicke> mzanetti: ping
[13:48] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: pong
[13:53] <tmoenicke> mzanetti: do you remember the issue at startup when the keyboard server was launched after the shell?
[13:53] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: yeah
[13:54] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: can you please advise on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-saucy/567/testReport/junit/notes_app.tests.test_quit/TestQuit/test_save_before_quit_with_mouse_/ ? I don’t understand the purpose of: if path is None: self.assertNotEquals(path, None)
[13:55] <tmoenicke> mzanetti: the keyboard comes up even if the server launches later. did it fix the issue?
[13:55] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: looking
[13:56] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i think it's a misguided attempt to make sure to fail the test if the path is None
[13:57] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: I didn't test it
[13:57] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: then there are clearer ways of achieving this, like throwing an exception
[13:57] <mzanetti> tmoenicke: but if you say that works now, yea, it's probably fixed somewhere
[13:58] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'm sure, that's why i'm saying it's a misguided attemp
[13:58] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i would be happy to see that improved
[14:01] <om26er> oSoMoN, mind trying things without the server ?
[14:01] <oSoMoN> om26er: do you have a branch
[14:01] <oSoMoN> ?
[14:01] <om26er> oSoMoN, I don't i had a few meetings, after the standup I can work on that
[14:02] <oSoMoN> om26er: ok, if you can give it a try that’s good, because I don’t have time for it right now
[14:03] <om26er> oSoMoN, sure, I'll do that. just wanted to get make sure if the change will be allowed in.
[14:03] <oSoMoN> om26er: if it fixes the issue, sure it will be allowed in :)
[14:32] <om26er> oSoMoN, is video playback in browser coming ?
[14:32] <oSoMoN> om26er: it should be coming, although I don’t have an updated status
[14:32] <om26er> oSoMoN, who is working on that ?
[14:33] <oSoMoN> om26er: gstreamer 1.0 and hw decoding were supposed to give us that for free
[14:33] <om26er> oSoMoN, ok, i'll ask jhodapp
[14:35] <JoeyChan> Hi, balloons, sorry for my delay response, I still can't reproduce the toolbar's problem, so I need some info from u
[14:35] <balloons> JoeyChan, sure thing
[14:36] <JoeyChan> balloons    my system version:  Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (development branch) - armhf (20130929)
[14:37] <balloons> that's correct. So you run the autopilot test and the toolbar appears?
[14:37] <balloons> or are you simply using the app? the toolbar appears if you are simply using the app
[14:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: test page is http://nerochiaro.net/test.htm (use the cat face image)
[14:40] <balloons> JoeyChan, ^^ ?
[14:41] <JoeyChan> balloons  I don't know how to use autopilot, just test the app in desktop and device
[14:43] <balloons> JoeyChan, ahh so the toolbar issue is autopilot only. The next button issue happens manually or using autopilot.
[14:44] <JoeyChan> balloons   I remembered u said that the bug also happened in ur device
[14:45] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: I’m unable to paste anything in the notes-app now (running image from this morning), I tap everywhere on the popover and nothing happens, until after more taps it eventually crashes…
[14:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: let me give it a shot
[14:46] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: I’ve tested various times with reboots in between, no luck
[14:46] <balloons> JoeyChan, I can't add a feed on my device because there is no next button. If I run the autopilot test it fails to even open the toolbar to start the process
[14:47] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: works here though
[14:47] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: just hard to use with the popups
[14:47] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: all being messed up
[14:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: yeah
[14:47] <JoeyChan> balloons,   could u try this branch ?   lp:~qqworini/ubuntu-rssreader-app/optimization-0
[14:48] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: btw have you had a chance to inspect the notes-app code re- the popups? it’s weird that it’s happening only in this app, it might be that the API from the SDK was updated, and the app needs updating as well, or something like that…
[14:51] <balloons> JoeyChan, try it, as in run the autopilot tests, etc?
[14:53] <JoeyChan> balloons,  I have no idea ...
[14:55] <balloons> :-)
[15:36] <daker> we are still waiting for the results :)
[15:39] <WebbyIT> Someone on saucy can check bug 1233168 please?
[15:39] <WebbyIT> bug #1233168
[15:39] <WebbyIT> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1233168
[15:50] <nik90|Office> popey: are you attending the alarms meetings?
[15:50] <popey> yeah, was about to try and round some people up
[15:51] <nik90|Office> popey: I am still in office, but I will go out and join hangout on phone
[15:59] <popey> nik90|Office: i see you on the hangout
[15:59] <popey> twice!
[16:51] <randomcpp> hi folks
[16:55] <popey> nik90|Office: all good?
[16:55] <nik90|Office> popey: yup
[16:56] <popey> great
[16:56] <nik90|Office> popey: I will talk to lina regarding the clock app design for alarm activation
[16:56] <nik90|Office> as in when the clock app is called with the alarm url
[16:56] <popey> ok
[16:56] <nik90|Office> randomcpp: hey dude!
[17:05] <om26er> oSoMoN, https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/notes-app/no_imageserver_autopilot/+merge/188654
[17:07] <oSoMoN> om26er: thanks, let’s see what CI says about it first
[17:10] <randomcpp> hi nik90|Office
[17:40] <mrqtros> Hi all
[17:41] <mrqtros> Can someone tell me where results of showdown can be find? :)
[17:43] <iBelieve> mrqtros, I don't think they've been announced yet
[17:43] <iBelieve> mrqtros, dpm said the winners would be announced sometime today
[17:45] <mrqtros> Seems that "sometime" should be earlier than 19 UTC :)
[17:46] <mrqtros> iBelieve, Ok, it was just for interest, btw - is 3g support is planning before 17 Oct? :)
[17:47] <iBelieve> mrqtros, 3g for the OS part of Ubuntu Touch? I don't know since I'm not an OS developer, just an apps developer & showdown participant
[17:49] <beuno> there is 3g support already, no?
[17:50] <mrqtros> beuno as far as I know no
[17:50] <beuno> mrqtros, I've seen plenty of people using 3g with ubuntu touch
[17:50] <mrqtros> iBelieve I am core app developer :)
[17:50] <mrqtros> beuno hmm ... seems that I use old image? :)
[17:51] <beuno> mrqtros, probably!
[17:51] <mrqtros> How can I check it's version? :)
[17:51] <beuno> not sure, popey or lool may know, if they're still around
[19:08] <lool> mrqtros: "sudo system-image-cli -i"
[19:27] <mrqtros> lool thanks, trying ...
[19:28] <mrqtros> lool build number 70. is it up-to-date? :)
[19:44] <lool> mrqtros: that's latest stable (and it should have 3G)
[19:44] <lool> mrqtros: but then it's possible your APN settings aren't detected correctly
[19:45] <mrqtros> lool I already set Wi-Fi settings via terminal
[19:45] <mrqtros> lool it was my best linux-sex :D
[19:46] <mrqtros> lool image are not writable first, later I first time use vi, later I edit wrong files...
[19:47] <mrqtros> lool seems that I haven't enough experience to set it manually :)
[19:50] <daker> so no announcement for today :(
[19:50] <lool> mrqtros: it's still rough in some places, quite expected at this point though
[19:50] <lool> but it's getting better
[19:51] <mrqtros> lool yes, we all must do our work well to get Ubuntu Phone work better
[19:53] <mrqtros> lool ui toolkit team, core apps teams (include me with "Shorts"). We all should do our best. When I keep my phone in hand it is like a miracle, really cool OS, with beautiful design and wide abilities
[19:54] <mrqtros> lool but there are a lot of bugs, 1-2 in every (every!) app, which spoil the whole impression
[19:56] <m-b-o> hey, does someone kknow if there were any changes to the LocaleStorage savepath?
[19:57] <iBelieve> daker, there are still two hours left in CEST timezone until midnight (that was the timezone dpm mentioned), so they're still hope :)
[19:58] <iBelieve> * there's
[19:59] <mrqtros> iBelieve forgive them :) They are working hard too :)
[20:01] <iBelieve> mrqtros, yeah, the reason is probably because of a bug that makes apps using a Canvas not work right on the phone, so they had some extra trouble to make sure those were judged fairly, which is a good thing. I'm just excited, that's all :)
[20:03] <mrqtros> iBelieve I wanted to participate too, but I am core app developer and already got device from Canonical :)
[20:04] <iBelieve> mrqtros, I'm a core app developer too (File Manager), but I still participated since the File Manager is pretty much v1.0 complete and I don't have a device (and would love one)
[20:04] <mrqtros> iBelieve so I am just a observer now :) But really want to know results too ;)
[20:05] <mrqtros> iBelieve can you explain few things about your app? :)
[20:05] <mrqtros> iBelieve about file manager*
[20:05] <iBelieve> mrqtros, sure, what do you want to know?
[20:07] <mrqtros> iBelieve can I open image/video/audio directly from your app? :)
[20:07] <mrqtros> iBelieve I tried (once, have no free time to play with device), but it was failure :)
[20:08] <iBelieve> mrqtros, until recently, devices did not support opening URLs (which is how the app works). It should be fixed now, though I can't verify that it works since I don't have a device.
[20:08] <iBelieve> mrqtros, but it does work on the desktop
[20:09] <mrqtros> iBelieve sounds good ;)
[20:09] <mrqtros> iBelieve what with icons? :) There are no default icons for media types? :)
[20:09] <iBelieve> mrqtros, there is no file/folder icon set yet. Plus our backend doesn't support file types yet.
[20:10] <iBelieve> mrqtros, one of the community designers was working on folder icons though
[20:10] <mrqtros> iBelieve ok, does app require special permissions to read fyle system? :)
[20:11] <mrqtros> iBelieve in my own app I use similar methods too get file system entries, but seems that it's failure :)
[20:11] <mhall119> mrqtros: yes, by default apps are sandboxed and limited in what they can read on the filesystem
[20:12] <mrqtros> mhall119 how can I get this permission too? :)
[20:12] <mrqtros> mhall119 without such permission my fully usable cloud storage client become fully useless :)
[20:12] <mhall119> mrqtros: you can't through the normal process, there are exceptions for the default/core apps that allow it
[20:13] <mhall119> mrqtros: understood, there's still a lot of limitations in our sandbox that need to be addressed, there should be a UDS session discussing what you need
[20:13] <mrqtros> mhall119 that it's ... very serious limitation ...
[20:13] <mhall119> mrqtros: I'd suggest you work with jdstrand (security team) to make sure it's something that is scheduled
[20:14] <mhall119> mrqtros: FWIW, it's not a technical limitation so much as a proceedural one
[20:14] <mrqtros> mhall119 mb someone should add something like "permissions : filesystem" to manifest? :)
[20:14] <mhall119> as in, how do we make sure an app that is requesting that access doesn't to evil things
[20:15] <iBelieve> mhall119, do you know anything about when the showdown winners will be announced? I'm very excited :)
[20:15] <mhall119> iBelieve: should be today, we're waiting on one last judge to finish scoring them
[20:15] <mrqtros> iBelieve how can I test your app? :)
[20:15] <iBelieve> mhall119, awesome news!! Today as in what timezone?
[20:15] <iBelieve> mrqtros, which? showdown app or File Manager?
[20:16] <mhall119> mrqtros: should be in the app store, all of the showdown apps have been published as far as I know
[20:16] <mrqtros> iBelieve showdown ;)
[20:16] <mrqtros> mhall119 what about android? :) There are a lot of third party file managers
[20:16] <mhall119> iBelieve: "today" as in "as soon as we have the final scores and can publish the results", that's the best ETA I can give you
[20:16] <iBelieve> mrqtros, search for it in the dash and install it. Easy as that :)
[20:16] <iBelieve> mhall119, thanks so much for the update
[20:17] <mrqtros> iBelieve I don't know it's name )
[20:17] <iBelieve> mrqtros, sorry, its Ubuntu Tasks
[20:17] <mhall119> mrqtros: that's a good question, again you should talk to jdstrand as he knows more about this and is able to make decisions about it
[20:17] <mhall119> mrqtros: join #ubuntu-hardened
[20:21] <mrqtros> mhall119 ok, I'll try to ping him :)
[20:22] <mrqtros> mhall119 without file system access my app is useless :( But it's pretty working port from MeeGo.
[20:22] <daker> does anyone know when the Picker component will land ?
[20:22] <mrqtros> mhall119 on MeeGo there are only one way to use Yandex.Disk (Russian cloud sotage service) - my unofficial app.
[20:23] <mhall119> daker: like content picker?
[20:23] <daker> mhall119: no, this one http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html#pickers
[20:26] <mhall119> daker: ah....no idea, are they not in the current SDK packages?
[20:27] <daker> mhall119: no, there is a section on the gallery but nothing in /Ubuntu/Components/
[20:28] <mhall119> bzoltan: or kaleo might know
[20:28] <daker> i was told that there was a typo on the deployment script
[20:28] <mhall119> who told you that?
[20:29] <daker> zsombi
[20:30] <iBelieve> daker, The preview API site I think was showing it under Components.Components. Have you checked there?
[20:33] <daker> iBelieve: i don't have Components inside Components
[20:33] <steven_> working on a Linux OS--12.4.  Is there an upgrade?
[20:34] <daker> mhall119: 16:12:48 <zsombi> daker: there was a typo in the deployment :(
[20:34] <steven_> 12.10 is that an upgrade for linux OS?
[20:39] <mhall119> steven_: Ubuntu 12.10 is the upgrade to Ubuntu 12.04, yes
[20:39] <steven_> thank you for the help
[21:11] <rottinrob> good day everyone
[21:20] <daker> iBelieve: i guess there will be no announcement :(
[21:21] <iBelieve> daker, I asked mhall119 and he said this: <mhall119> iBelieve: should be today, we're waiting on one last judge to finish scoring them
[21:21] <iBelieve> daker, then he clarified today to mean when that last judge is done
[21:22] <iBelieve> daker, he said <mhall119> iBelieve: "today" as in "as soon as we have the final scores and can publish the results", that's the best ETA I can give you
[21:23] <daker> :(
[21:29] <randomcpp> do we know who won?
[21:30] <daker> randomcpp: no
[21:30] <randomcpp> :(