[04:51] <TrickyJ> Hi friends :)
[12:27] <ralsina> good morning everyone
[12:34] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[12:34] <duanedesign> hello ralsina
[12:34] <ralsina> hello duanedesign
[12:35] <duanedesign> hello ralsina . How did your User Day session go?
[12:35] <ralsina> duanedesign: ok-ish :-)
[12:36] <duanedesign> ralsina: that is good-ish
[12:36] <ralsina> duanedesign: I m clueless about pacing a IRC session. Will proabbly do better next time.
[12:36] <duanedesign> ralsina: sounds similar to the issues I had my first time
[12:36] <duanedesign> i really wanted to make it. :\
[12:37] <duanedesign> but things have been busy here
[12:37] <duanedesign> trying to find work has consumed alot of my time
[12:37] <ralsina> duanedesign: the log is out there somewhere :-)
[12:39] <ralsina> Everyone was a bit bored because the guy before me forgot about it and was a no show
[12:42] <duanedesign> ahh, I heard about that
[12:43] <duanedesign> ralsina: well it is awesome you did a session. Those sessions are really great and the people who organize it work realy hard.
[12:43] <duanedesign> as do the people who give the sessions :)
[12:43] <ralsina> duanedesign: it was fun. I will volunteer for the spanish ones next time
[12:44] <duanedesign> awesome! my good friend pablo helped start the spanish sessions. I am a big fan of doing that stuff in as many languages as possible
[12:45] <duanedesign> ralsina: if i may ask, roughly where abouts are you?
[12:45] <ralsina> San Isidro, which is about 15km outside Buenos Aires, Argentina
[12:45] <duanedesign> ralsina: awesome.
[12:46] <ralsina> Well, it's a nice place to live :-)
[12:47] <duanedesign> I know a lot of people from Uruguay, Brazil, Argentina, and paraguay
[12:48] <duanedesign> well, alot might be an exageration :P
[12:48] <duanedesign> my good friend pablo lives in Montevideo
[12:51] <ralsina> duanedesign: well, this channel is full of argentinians :-)
[12:52] <duanedesign> it is
[13:16] <alecu> hello!
[13:17] <nessita> alecu: I'm still 'in the middle' of your review, but I can't complete it since my syncdaemon will not complete commands (already filled bug #710645)
[13:17] <ubot4> nessita: Bug 710645 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/710645 is private
[13:17] <alecu> nessita, weird!
[13:17] <nessita> alecu: yeah, all weekend...
[13:17] <nessita> I should try today
[13:18] <alecu> nessita, for those cases I created a different account in my ubuntu, with a different u1 account too.
[13:18] <nessita> right, makes sense
[13:18] <nessita> I should boot a VM
[13:22] <alecu> nessita, or even create another account in your standard ubuntu, no VMs needed.
[13:23] <nessita> alecu: that won't work, syncdaemon fails with SYS_ROOT_MISTMATCH
[13:23] <alecu> nessita, no: I mean another "ubuntu" account. "adduser nessita2"
[13:24] <nessita> ah
[13:24] <alecu> nessita, and have that user connect to a different u1 account, so syncdaemon is reasonably fast.
[13:24] <nessita> right
[13:34] <nessita> alecu: approved. I will field test it later
[13:34] <alecu> nessita, great! thanks.
[13:54] <alecu> hi ubot4, can I have more info on bug #702055?
[13:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702055 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to send a notification when a new UDF is available for subscription (affects: 1) (heat: 230)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702055
[13:54] <alecu> thanks!
[13:58] <alecu> CardinalFang, dobey, mandel, nessita, ralsina, thisfred, vds: standup in 2'
[13:58] <ralsina> ack
[13:59] <nessita> ack
[13:59] <vds> ack
[13:59] <thisfred> ayeaye
[13:59] <CardinalFang> bah!
[13:59]  * ralsina should stop taking phone calls 10 minutes before standup
[14:00] <alecu> me
[14:00] <nessita> me
[14:00] <ralsina> me
[14:00] <vds> me
[14:00] <mandel> me
[14:02] <nessita> CardinalFang, thisfred, dobey?
[14:02] <CardinalFang> me
[14:02] <thisfred> me
[14:02] <nessita> alecu: go!
[14:02] <alecu> DONE: worked on branch to limit notification bubbles (bug #702128), got tangled, wrote spec for less annoying bubbles
[14:02] <alecu> TODO: finish branch for bubbles, work on branch to show new folders events in messaging menu (bug #702075 and bug #702144)
[14:02] <alecu> BLOCKED: u1trial breaks for vds on lucid while running "make check" on https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/disable-zg-on-lucid/+merge/47549
[14:02] <alecu> LOVE: cherry tomatoes
[14:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702128 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to send aggregated notifications about completed operations (affects: 1) (heat: 230)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702128
[14:03] <alecu> HATE: jalapeños
[14:03] <alecu> NEXT: nessita
[14:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702075 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to add an entry to the messaging menu when a new UDF is available for subscription (affects: 1) (heat: 230)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702075
[14:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702144 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Syncdaemon needs to add an entry to the messaging menu when a new share offer comes in (affects: 1) (heat: 230)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702144
[14:03] <nessita> DONE: more work on shares-subscription. The branch is getting complicated since there are several situations to handle: RO/RW share with existent dir on disk, without disk, etc.
[14:03] <nessita> TODO: Manually test the (potentially ready) shares-subscription branch. Use cases: new {RO,RW} share with existent dir, new {RO,RW} with default share_autosubscribe set to False, same with autosubscribe set to True.
[14:03] <nessita> If working, propose for merge.
[14:03] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[14:03] <nessita> LOVE: weekends
[14:03] <nessita> NEXT: ralsina
[14:03] <ralsina> DONE: reviews, did my canonicaladmin work, researched for sprint, read code.
[14:03] <ralsina> TODO: prepare UbuntuDays thing, reviews, management stuff, someday actual coding ;-)
[14:03] <ralsina> BLOCKED: no
[14:03] <ralsina> LOVE: Rain
[14:03] <ralsina> HATES: Broken hands
[14:03] <ralsina> vds!
[14:03] <vds> DONE: fifth and sixth branch for #701029 landed seventh on it's
[14:03] <vds> TODO: continuing with the views
[14:03] <vds> BLOCKED:nope
[14:03] <vds> mandel: prego
[14:03] <mandel> DONE: Broke my right hand.
[14:03] <mandel> TODO: go to doctor.
[14:03] <mandel> BLOCKED: yes, i cannot type. Have too see how long do i have to rest for.
[14:03] <mandel> CardinalFang: please
[14:03] <CardinalFang> DONE: some progress on couchdb/desktopcouch replication.
[14:03] <CardinalFang> TODO: more testing.  Get logs from datacenter to investigate a problem.  Release new desktopcouch?
[14:03] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: datacenter logs.
[14:03] <CardinalFang> LOVE: rugby.
[14:03] <CardinalFang> thisfred, go
[14:03] <thisfred> DONE: *finally* proposed messaging branch
[14:03] <thisfred> TODO:  make notifications updateable | make New UDF msgs have a 'count' instead of 'time' property | hook up messaging to send actual messages | talk to Ted Gould to see if a new libindicate is forthcoming
[14:03] <thisfred> BLOCKED: no
[14:03] <thisfred> LOVED: http://tinysong.com/fQod
[14:03] <ralsina> In my report move the Ubuntu User Day to DONE ;-)
[14:04] <nessita> ralsina: TODO: prepare UbuntuDays thing ???
[14:04] <nessita> ah!
[14:04]  * ralsina recycles notes
[14:04] <nessita> CardinalFang: if you're block on your current task, can you please fix and keep https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/service-must-not-call-self-over-dbus/+merge/47262  moving forward?
[14:05] <nessita> mandel: bummer!!!
[14:05] <nessita> mandel: do you have a cast?
[14:05] <CardinalFang> He does.
[14:05]  * CardinalFang types faster.
[14:05] <nessita> hehhe
[14:05]  * CardinalFang gets photo.
[14:05] <ralsina> Could we do a quick mumble after the standup?
[14:06] <mandel> CardinalFang: indeed hehe
[14:06] <ralsina> We need to organize around mandel's problem
[14:06] <mandel> the mental one or the one with the hand ?
[14:06] <ralsina> mandel: cause and effect, man!
[14:06] <ralsina> ;-)
[14:07] <nessita> ralsina: sure, now?
[14:07] <ralsina> OTOH, it makes more sense to do it tomorrow when we know how long he needs the cast
[14:07] <ralsina> So no, forget about mumble
[14:07] <dobey> hi
[14:07] <ralsina> hi dobey
[14:07] <thisfred> mandel: fall off a chair? or rugby?
[14:08] <mandel> thisfred: rugby :(
[14:08] <thisfred> well, ouch either way, hope it gets better soon
[14:08] <dobey> λ DONE: almost finished bug 673012
[14:08] <dobey> λ TODO: 3rd party apis?, evaluate SRUs for maverick, external contacts integration with picker
[14:08] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 673012 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Async monitoring of _changes (affects: 1) (heat: 42)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673012
[14:09] <mandel> there you have the xray http://yfrog.com/h0bvebxdj
[14:09] <ralsina> dobey: as you may have seen in the backlog, mandel broke his right hand.
[14:09] <CardinalFang> http://yfrog.com/f/h0bvebxdj/
[14:09] <ralsina> dobey: he was assigned to work on shotwell this week, but he can't type.
[14:09] <dobey> he can type with his left hand
[14:09] <dobey> :)
[14:09] <ralsina> dobey: so... how do you feel about programming in vala for a week? ;-)
[14:09] <nessita> mandel: if your index finger totally messed up?
[14:09] <nessita> is*
[14:10] <mandel> nessita: is the bone in the hand, the one that is before the finger
[14:10] <nessita> arg!
[14:10] <ralsina> nessita: it is, but there his finger is bent, I think :-)
[14:10] <dobey> i don't mind vala
[14:10] <CardinalFang> Metacarpal.
[14:11] <ralsina> dobey: cool, maybe we can get started on that so we don't get too delayed.
[14:11] <mandel> thats after the doctor placed the bone back, the nitial xray was way cooler, he bone was in half
[14:11] <ralsina> The "good" news is that if mandel is only disabled for a week, our schedule is still more or less on track, because he canceled vacations
[14:11] <dobey> ralsina: we should get everyone one of these to "type" with: http://emotiv.com/store/hardware/epoc-bci/epoc-neuroheadset/
[14:12] <CardinalFang> nessita, see the crack in the middle of the image, next to thumb?  That's the bad one, likely.
[14:12]  * alecu brbs
[14:12] <ralsina> dobey: we can't get decent microphones for mumble, that's a bit far fetched ATM ;-)
[14:12] <nessita> yes, is hurting me
[14:13] <dobey> ralsina: my microphone works great. it's pulseaudio or sound drivers or something that broke recently :(
[14:13] <CardinalFang> mandel, You should abandon rugby.  I'll teach you to play Go.
[14:13] <ralsina> dobey: I was thinking more about chipaca, but ... it happens :-(
[14:14] <ralsina> CardinalFang: what, you don't just put black and white stones at random on a table? there are rules? ;-)
[14:14] <mandel> CardinalFang: well the season  is over for me, so if you have and android go game im in
[14:14] <ralsina> ok, eom then?
[14:14] <dobey> ralsina: anyway, i have been doing some stuff with vala in spare time.
[14:15] <ralsina> dobey: that is a very lucky thing for us
[14:15] <dobey> there's probably some other work that needs to be done to build a vapi for libsyncdaemon, before we start writing vala to use it
[14:15] <ralsina> dobey, mandel: are there are any design specs or something else for shotwell?
[14:16] <CardinalFang> ralsina, not many rules.  :)   (There's a fun variant where both players put only white stones down.  Part of the game is remembering whose are whose.  It's not as hard as it sounds.)
[14:16] <ralsina> CardinalFang: I just try to make pretty pictures. Look, a dragon! ;-)
[14:17]  * ralsina is kidding, he never played go. Was a semi-serious chess player 25 years ago, though.
[14:19] <mandel> ralsina, dobey ill foward you the email i got from then, but we are at early stages of plugins for shotwell
[14:20] <dobey> mandel: that's fine, there's plenty of other work we need to do first
[14:21] <mandel> dobey: ill send the email so that you know someone to talk with about it
[14:25] <dobey> ok
[16:14]  * dobey reads up on generating .vapi
[16:20] <thisfred> alecu: re: updating existing notification bubbles, it's possible, but there
[16:20] <thisfred> seems to be no way to see if the bubble has been closed already
[16:20] <thisfred> and if it has, updating it doesn't show anything, of course
[16:20] <thisfred> There must be a way to do that though
[16:21] <alecu> thisfred, I don't mind that if it does not show anything when it was already closed
[16:22] <alecu> thisfred, since we want the notifications to be up for a little while then close.
[16:23] <alecu> (even if more files are found... otherwise they may remain on screen forever)
[16:23] <thisfred> alecu: ok, so I'll make it updateable, if it's still there
[16:23] <alecu> cool
[16:25] <thisfred> alecu: also: who do I talk to to get my approved branch merged? My new branch will depend on parts of it
[16:26] <joshuahoover> alecu: are you working on u1 unity integration?
[16:26] <alecu> joshuahoover, yes: thisfred and me are working on it.
[16:27] <alecu> thisfred, oh, it seems that branch has been on the approved state since last friday... let's ask dobey to see if tarmac is acting up.
[16:27] <joshuahoover> alecu: cool...did you guys have any issues with api's in regards to the launcher item? dbarth mentioned the api's for that landed last week so i wanted to make sure we weren't held up by the lack of api's
[16:27] <alecu> dobey, can you please take a look at this branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/dammit-janet/+merge/47847
[16:28] <thisfred> joshuahoover: oh have they? Neil told me he'd give us a heads up when they did. I'm pretty sure said they weren't gonna make alpha 2. Maybe different APIs then?
[16:28] <alecu> joshuahoover, yes, we are depending on an api for showing a progressbar and an emblem on the launcher icons...
[16:29] <joshuahoover> thisfred: possibly...i'd check in with him because feature freeze is in about 2.5 weeks
[16:29] <thisfred> joshuahoover: ok, will do, but last I heard was they weren't going to happen
[16:30] <thisfred> or at least probably not in time for us to use them
[16:30] <joshuahoover> thisfred: hmmm...ok
[16:31] <dobey> alecu, thisfred: commit message.
[16:31] <alecu> dobey, right, thanks!
[16:31] <thisfred> dobey: DOH!
[16:32] <thisfred> dobey: done
[16:34] <dobey> should land in ~15 min then.
[16:35] <dobey> i am going to get some lunch now though. bbiab :)
[16:37] <ralsina> alecu: is the badge API on the launcher for unity done?
[16:37] <ralsina> I am not even sure it's called the badge
[16:39] <thisfred> ralsina: so, as far as I know, no, but joshuahoover has heard conflicting info, so we're gonna asl
[16:39] <thisfred> ask
[16:42] <ralsina> thisfred: I think the API is there but it does nothing
[16:42]  * ralsina is on mumble learning about these things :-)
[16:42] <thisfred> oh ok :)
[16:43] <ralsina> Remember soft freeze for alpha 2 is tomorrow, so if we need to get anything in...
[16:45] <alecu> ralsina, alpha 2 is tomorrow, but alpha 3 is 2 weeks from now, right?
[16:45] <alecu> ralsina, I don't think we'll be squeezing anything more on alpha2
[16:45] <ralsina> alecu: well, let's check the schedule ;-)
[16:45] <alecu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[16:45] <ralsina> I hope we don't, but just in case
[16:46] <ralsina> If I understand that right, the next freeze is Feb 24th
[16:47] <ralsina> But that'sa  very confusing timeline
[16:51] <alecu> ralsina, sorry: my irc client dies every time I accidentally hit the "get list of channels" shortcut :P
[16:52] <ralsina> use quassel! I'll give you a free core in my server :-)
[16:52] <alecu> it dies a slow death while trying to fetch the whole list.
[16:52] <alecu> :-)
[16:52] <alecu> ralsina, what vps are you using?
[16:52] <ralsina> alecu: burst.net
[16:52] <ralsina> alecu: U$S4.56 a month and I have a nice VPN over it too
[16:52] <alecu> ralsina, my vps does not like neither irc nor proxies. They've warned me in the past about using them.
[16:52] <alecu> ralsina, nice! I'll give it a try.
[16:53] <ralsina> alecu: my other VPS even blocks por 666*
[16:53] <ralsina> But burst doesn't seem to care much. I assume it's as long as you don't kill the server with something like a file warez bot
[17:07] <ralsina> I've got one "free" hour. Who has a review for me?
[17:09] <SpamapS> nessita: hey, did you ever get those logs you sent to yourself from my laptop?
[17:12] <nessita> SpamapS: I did! I'm passing then to facundobatista, who was on vacations until today :-)
[17:12] <nessita> SpamapS: but he's full of tasks on his first day
[17:12] <nessita> brb, luchtime!
[17:14] <SpamapS> I bet :)
[17:15] <SpamapS> nessita: good to know... and thanks again for looking
[17:35] <nessita> SpamapS: anytime!
[18:29] <dobey> thisfred: you need to fix a conflict in your branch
[18:30] <thisfred> dobey: I did, just waiting for lp to catch up
[18:31] <thisfred> dobey:  which it has done, re-approved
[18:31] <dobey> ah
[19:02]  * alecu needs some lunch
[19:03] <dobey> hrmm, i hope generating the .vapi for libsyncdaemon will be easy
[19:18] <dobey> nessita: ping. why is bug 709200 a task on ubuntuone-client also?
[19:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 709200 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "Service quits even if ref count is not zero (affects: 1) (heat: 1536)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709200
[19:19] <nessita> dobey: I need to make the credentials service on u1client to quit properly. Is Low since right now only syncdaemon  uses that service, and access it only once, so the bug is not affecting it
[19:21] <dobey> ok
[19:29] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/remove-preferences/+merge/48036
[19:29] <dobey> nessita: ^^ look at all that pretty red :)
[19:30] <nessita> dobey: approved
[20:28] <vadi2> Where would I report Ubuntu One URLs that just don't resolve to a file?
[20:29] <beuno> vadi2, like which one?
[20:29] <vadi2> http://ubuntuone.com/p/b5l/
[20:29] <beuno> vadi2, is this file yours?
[20:30] <vadi2> no, someone else'
[20:30] <beuno> vadi2, and your sure they haven't stopped publishing it?
[20:31] <vadi2> Yeah... they just put it up today
[20:31] <vadi2> Oh, 'Proxy ErrorThe proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET /p/b5l/.Reason: Error reading from remote server' came through now
[20:32] <beuno> vadi2, yeah, reported this to the sysadmin
[20:32] <vadi2> thank you
[20:32] <beuno> thank *you*  :)
[20:35] <beuno> vadi2, should be fixed
[20:35] <vadi2> It did just come through, yep
[20:35] <vadi2> thanks again!
[20:35] <beuno> np
[20:43] <dobey> ralsina: hey
[20:43] <dobey> ralsina: care to do an easy review? :)
[21:22] <joshuahoover> nessita: ping
[21:22] <nessita> joshuahoover: pong
[21:23] <joshuahoover> nessita: do you know what happens when a user goes to sign up for u1 but doesn't complete the process because they never got their confirmation code via email? is suggesting they use the forgot password link the right suggestion?
[21:24] <nessita> joshuahoover: depending on what version of ussoc they are running. On latest version in maverick, they should try to authenticate again (using preferences, u1sdtool, etc)
[21:24] <nessita> but this time not choosing 'register' but 'I already have an account'
[21:25] <nessita> when logging in, ussoc will detect that the user is not validated and will ask for the verification code
[21:25] <joshuahoover> nessita: ok, thanks!
[21:25] <nessita> joshuahoover: one importnat note: the user needs to look for his verification code from the first time he registered
[21:25] <nessita> that means, we don't issue a new email
[21:25] <nessita> joshuahoover: makes sense?
[21:26] <joshuahoover> nessita: yep :)
[21:26] <nessita> joshuahoover: if the user can't find the email, then he should activate his account from the web (login.ubuntu.com)
[21:26] <nessita> and then login thru ussoc as usual
[21:26] <joshuahoover> nessita: so if he logged in via the web, it will prompt for the code?
[21:26] <nessita> nopes, if he sets the preferred email, that will validate the account
[22:57] <dobey> later all


[14:47] <lovea> Upgraded my MAAS controller to 1.7 and have lost my custom images (cloudbase windows server 2012).
[14:47] <lovea> Lost in the UI that is
[14:48] <lovea> In MAAS 1.5 if the images were in the /var/lib/maas/boot-resources/current structure they appeared in the UI.
[14:49] <lovea> Anyone any ideas?
[15:10] <roaksoax> lovea: MAAS 1.7 does image import differently. MAAS 1.7 now has the Image Store that sotres images differently. The API has methods to upload images to the image repository
[15:15] <lovea> roaksoax: Ah, ok. So I should remove my custom images from /var/lib/maas/boot-resources/current and import them using the API?
[15:16] <roaksoax> lovea: yes, i would keep your images for backup just in case
[15:17] <lovea> Never used the API before. I'm guessing I use a browser as the REST client?
[15:18] <lovea> roaksoax: Never used the API before. I'm guessing I use a browser as the REST client?
[15:20] <roaksoax> lovea: there are commands for maas' CLI
[15:46] <roaksoax> lovea: something along thse lines IIRC: maas local boot-resources create name=windows title="My Custom Windows Image" architecture=amd64/generic content@=  filetype=ddtgz
[15:47] <lovea> roaksoax: Many thanks, I'll try this
[15:47] <roaksoax> lovea: content@=/path/to/image
[15:48] <lovea> roaksoax: and local is a maas profile?
[15:48] <lovea> or a keyword
[15:49] <roaksoax> lovea: maas profgile
[15:49] <lovea> roaksoax: cheers


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[23:54] <astroo-> or see a window with my nick


[08:23] <ikonia> waveform: I'm wondering if that's needed on the pi - especially with the bad wear rates on SD cards
[09:28] <waveform> ikonia, I don't think it actually does anything -- both the lines start with "test -e /run/systemd/system ||" implying they're only used when systemd is *not* the init-system in use, but that's never the case on relatively modern ubuntu installs. Looks like e2scrub_all is actually run by a systemd timer (e2scrub_all.timer and e2scrub_all.service)
[09:29] <waveform> ikonia, but it's only once a week and seems to be read-only unless errors are found, which seems reasonable (SD card "wear" is caused by writes, not reads)


[13:34] <erUSUL> all : ActionParsnip ask me for a testimonial for memebership https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ActionParsnip i'm sure he would apreciate that form other #ubuntu regulars as well
[16:19] <IdleOne> erUSUL: :) +1 for actionparsnip
[21:58] <dinosaur> hi
[21:58] <dinosaur> i was banned in #ubuntu-beginners for no reason
[22:00] <paultag> Hey IRCC
[22:01] <IdleOne> dinosaur: I believe paultag can help you with your ban question
[22:01] <dinosaur> okay
[22:01] <dinosaur> IdleOne, but i believe his assistance will be biased because he believes im someone i am not.
[22:02] <IdleOne> dinosaur: then I am sure paultag can point you to the people you need to talk to
[22:02] <dinosaur> sure.
[22:03] <paultag> dinosaur, Issues regarding standing team bans can be brought up with #Ubuntu-beginners-council. You will, however, need to prove that "LOLWTF" who logged onto Freenode last night under the same IP, with the same speech patterns as yourself is not you. That is, because LOLWTF admited to being Montel, a member with a standing ban, and k-line.
[22:04] <paultag> Oh shoot. Sorry, this nick
[22:05] <paultag> Well, then I guess there is no room for that at all :)
[22:05] <dinosaur> and what ways of  verification can i prove
[22:05] <dinosaur> this clearly is not a static ip address.
[22:05] <paultag> dinosaur, Not much, I'm afraid that we have three Ubuntu members with logs to that effect, and a bot who logs that channel
[22:05] <paultag> dinosaur, there was no part from the network whilst using the IP
[22:06] <dinosaur> 'that channel' being #ubuntu-beginners right?
[22:06] <dinosaur> please provide me these logs
[22:06] <IdleOne> !logs
[22:06] <paultag> dinosaur, It was not #ubuntu-beginners, it was one of my personal channels, as you know.
[22:06] <paultag> dinosaur, Are you denying being LOLWTF?
[22:07] <paultag> just so we're clear
[22:07] <dinosaur> oh, okay so there's no official logs. correct? and no, im not.
[22:07] <paultag> Jul 24 12:46:26 *	dinosaur<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #whube
[22:07] <paultag> Jul 24 12:46:43 <dinosaur>	sup
[22:07] <paultag> Jul 24 12:48:59 <paultag>	hey montel
[22:07] <paultag> Jul 24 12:49:50 <dinosaur>	ok same ip i know.
[22:07] <paultag> Jul 24 12:49:52 <paultag>	yeah
[22:07] <paultag> Jul 24 12:50:10 <paultag>	dead giveaway
[22:08] <paultag> The ban will stay, unless you lodge something formal, Montel.
[22:09] <dinosaur> Jul 24 12:46:26 * dinosaur<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #whube
[22:09] <dinosaur> Jul 24 12:46:43 <dinosaur> sup
[22:09] <dinosaur> Jul 24 12:48:59 <paultag> hey im going to fake some logs like this and then get you in trouble
[22:09] <dinosaur> Jul 24 12:49:50 <dinosaur> ok cool
[22:09] <dinosaur> Jul 24 12:49:52 <paultag> yeah
[22:09] <dinosaur> Jul 24 12:50:10 <paultag> i think im smart
[22:09] <paultag> dinosaur, so you claim that is a fake log?
[22:09] <dinosaur> yes.
[22:09] <stlsaint> i can atest that that log is not fake as i was in the channel as well
[22:10] <paultag> dinosaur, So I need to get Joeb454, collinp, stlsaint to pull logs as well?
[22:10] <paultag> dinosaur, all Ubuntu members?
[22:10] <IdleOne> I know for sure that paultag never said he was smart :P
[22:10] <paultag> IdleOne, :P
[22:10] <dinosaur> lol you have some good friends.
[22:10] <dinosaur> besides
[22:10] <paultag> dinosaur, it's against the CoC to act in such a way
[22:10] <dinosaur> what did i do wrong in #ubuntu-beginners again?
[22:10] <paultag> dinosaur, Ban evasion
[22:10] <dinosaur> yeah, and people lie in court too
[22:10] <paultag> dinosaur, and Network evasion
[22:11] <IdleOne> dinosaur: ubuntu membership is not given because we are log forgers
[22:11] <dinosaur> paultag, then why have i not been klined?
[22:11] <paultag> dinosaur, I'd rather handle this in a sane way
[22:11] <paultag> dinosaur, because k-lines clearly don't have effect
[22:11] <dinosaur> id rather not deal with a lieing and biased op.
[22:12] <dinosaur> its a shame. clearly theres not strict enough ubuntu membership guidelines
[22:12] <paultag> Mmmhum.
[22:12] <paultag> dinosaur, so, I'm lying, biased, I forge logs -- that's your claim?
[22:13] <dinosaur> rather not repeat myself.
[22:14] <paultag> Well, I think it's down to "he said" "she said" at this point.
[22:14] <dinosaur> no its down to what "paultag said".
[22:14] <ikonia> ok - lets deal with facts here
[22:14] <ikonia> dinosaur: are you montel, yes/no
[22:14] <dinosaur> no
[22:14] <stlsaint> i can give a screenshot of my client showing the exact convoy with no chance of editing
[22:15] <ikonia> dinosaur: are you callling paultag a liar with his log ?
[22:15] <dinosaur> yes.
[22:15] <ikonia> dinosaur: ok, then you need to lodge a complaint with the irc comunicty council who will check the facts
[22:15] <ikonia> dinosaur: are you aware of that process ?
[22:15] <dinosaur> nope.
[22:16] <IdleOne> !appeal
[22:16] <ikonia> tomaw: as you're awake, you should be aware that dinosaur/montel is potentially a kline dodger
[22:16] <ikonia> dinosaur: please follow that process, and your ban will be reviewed by the ubuntu irc community council
[22:19] <ikonia> and that ends that
[22:19] <tomaw> for now
[22:19] <ikonia> thank you
[22:19] <paultag> Thanks guys :)