[01:51] <delinquentme> annyyoonneee have screenshots of the 13 UI?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:10] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[15:21] <BluesKaj> will the alternate install will be available for 13.10 when the release is official ?
[15:21] <bekks> There isnt an alternate anymore, isnt it?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> not for 13.04 ...there's Lubuntu alternate install for 13.10 , but that's all i can find
[16:17] <penguin42> I just use the server install to do that
[17:02] <johnjohn1011> will i ever be able to get 13.10 to run on my vmware machine? it's been broken for a while.
[17:03] <holstein> johnjohn1011: whats the issue? you might just want to wait til its released
[17:09] <penguin42> hmm I should try Mir; is it easy to try KDE on Mir ?
[17:10] <holstein> !mir
[17:10] <penguin42> Oh I thought someone said it was going to land in 13.10
[17:11] <holstein> penguin42: if you are looking for "easy", dont try MIR yet
[17:12] <penguin42> worth giving a go in a vm?
[17:15] <alankila> probably not. phoronix (aka moronix) benchmarked it and found it loses 10 % of framerate at various tasks, and almost everything goes through xmir, so unless you want to help testing it I doubt there's any use benefits
[17:15] <penguin42> is there a native Qt/Mir and would KDE use it?
[17:16] <alankila> shuttleman said in a blog post that it works "smoother" but I have no idea what the basis for that claim is. I am willing to believe interesting things happen when xmir doesn't get used anymore.
[17:16] <alankila> I believe any direct mir support is still only being written
[17:17] <penguin42> alankila: I can believe there might be something along the lines of the modern desktops do compositing in the window manager anyway so if you just move that to a different layer perhaps it doesn't matter much
[17:17] <penguin42> I guess 10% ain't bad for some code that's that new
[17:17] <alankila> well, performance loss is to be expected when you shove more crap into the stack, I guess
[17:17] <alankila> now eliminate X and make direct OpenGL rendering calls from client code, I believe that should show a significant performance increase
[17:18] <alankila> the only part that can break that is the compositor by wasting time before it gets to displaying the new pixels
[17:18] <alankila> but there's no real reason to expect that compositors would do a poor job
[17:18] <penguin42> and not necessarily any worse than the current ones in the window managers
[17:18] <alankila> exactly, the work is more or less the same, though less intermediate processes involved
[17:19] <alankila> also raspberry pi compositors have shown that if you can use specific compositing hardware, you will gain a lot of performance
[17:20] <alankila> this is apparently simple alpha blending 2d hardware. This task is more common in UI-related work than full 3D that isn't required outside a game context, so some ARM hardware has extra support for that kind of use case
[17:22] <penguin42> yeh makes sense; one of the thing I like about KDE is that you can switch it to use Xv compositing
[17:22] <alankila> really? Xv is a YCrCb color space thing. I'd guess the RGB to YCrCb conversion would eat any benefit
[17:23] <alankila> or maybe it's actually a real YUV. I'm not sure. I remember the hardware provided brightness, contrast and gamma controls though they are basically simple interpolated lookups and some vector-by-matrix multiplication algebra in the end
[17:23] <penguin42> sorry, I meant XRender
[17:24] <alankila> hm right. XRender though supports more than most people end up using. I guess above all the OVER blending operator is the only one that matters
[17:25] <alankila> I did take a look once and saw that some harware is capable of accelerating some of the XRender operators. Where that doesn't happen, pixman implements software versions of these ops
[17:26] <alankila> xrender's and pixman's real problem is that they don't support color spaces. This, for instance, is the reason why a pdf rendering library called poppler doesn't produce high-quality output. Hardware can generally only support linearly coded sRGB and the sRGB-curve coded sRGB, with the sRGB textures/framebuffer extension
[17:27] <alankila> supporting general transformations is very challenging, though if you can boil it down to an interpolated 3-component lookup then you are in business with fairly modest complexity cost.
[17:27] <penguin42> why what do you need for pdf? cymk ?
[17:27] <alankila> for instance wayland apparently has surface color spaces support, so that is pretty exciting
[17:28] <alankila> pdf allows use of any colorspace it knows and icc profiles for the pdf blending ops, which are the same as in pixman
[17:28] <alankila> for instance a graphic may come with the ICC profile of the display it was drawn/edited on
[17:29] <alankila> together, the component values + the profile encode the physical intensities of the 3 primary color components, or that is what it boils down to when human is the ultimate consumer of the product
[17:31] <alankila> I haven't heard of any serious technical talk with mir, if it fixes or has plans for fixing any of the long-standing linux graphics issues, especially when it comes to color management and 16 bit per component surfaecs and stuff like that.
[17:31] <alankila> wayland at least has a plan, so it seems to me that wayland is going to provide capabilities similar to window and macintosh
[17:31] <alankila> for instance microsoft defined a color space called scRGB(16) that high-end publishing applications can use
[17:33] <alankila> anyway, end ramble.  IMHO the most important job for the display system is to display a color correctly on screen, so that means color management, 48-bits-per-pixel surfaces for image editors, and support for color gamuts past sRGB
[17:35] <penguin42> alankila: I'm not sure yet, and wouldn't really want to say until I see how well it actually works
[17:36] <alankila> I would like to be proven wrong, but there's not much visibility to the mir development
[17:36] <alankila> you can join #wayland and talk about color management and the people there engage with your arguments and so on, so I suspect that wayland will have a mature color management and what they just shipped in 1.2 sounds like it's the right solution to me
[17:37] <alankila> whether mir is just a 90s graphics technology implemented in 10s hardware remains to be seen
[17:37] <penguin42> hmm I was expecting to prove you wrong and point you to Mir's blueprints on lp, but I can't see any
[17:37] <alankila> exactly
[17:38] <alankila> there's not much visibility to the development, so I can only hope the people involved are serious graphician type minds who know what graphics programs need rather than engineers that just think providing what 1990s already could do is enough
[17:38] <alankila> I could download sources and take a look though. Maybe I'd like what I see, maybe I wouldn't. But ... I don't really have the time for that.
[17:50] <penguin42> yeh I'm tempted to, and I wouldn't mind fixing bugs etc if I find them, but I'd have to get sign off from my employer before doing the contributor agreement and that would be hard work
[19:31] <jakubo> Hi, does the new grub version mean that i can finally release my fake-raid set up system's grub from its sleep in the precise repository?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> booted the default kernel for comparison to the liquorix
[20:53] <jakubo> to give an anwer to my own question asked before: yes it works (for me: i.e. nvidia fakeraid)!!!


[00:07] <dogi> hi dfarning
[00:07] <dogi>  /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-sugarteam dfarning
[00:16] <dfarning> dogi, ok got it. I had to ask on #freenode how to reset my password.
[00:17] <dogi> ok
[00:17] <dogi> :)
[00:17] <dogi> that s what caiused the irc split ?
[00:17] <dogi> :P
[00:17] <dogi> ups caused
[00:18] <dogi> dfarning, good job
[00:18]  * dogi working on lucid again
[00:19] <dfarning> dogi, now the important question, how do I assign you as op?
[00:19] <dfarning> someone needs to know what they are doing:)
[00:19] <dogi> :)
[00:19] <dogi> mom
[00:19] <dogi> I will ask chanserv
[00:20] <dogi> I will ask chanserv op
[00:20] <dogi> I will ask chanserv for help ...
[00:23] <dfarning>  /mode {channel} +o {nick} makes {nick} a channel operator
[00:24] <dfarning> dogi ^^ you are now an channel op
[00:24] <dogi>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam add dogi +votsriRfAF
[00:24] <dogi> that the command u have to enter
[00:24] <dfarning>  /mode #ubuntu-sugarteam +o dogi
[00:24] <dogi> dfarning, only temporary right now
[00:25] <dogi> thx :)
[00:26] <dogi>  no i dont appear in the list
[00:26] <dfarning>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam add dogi +votsriRfAF
[00:26] <dogi>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam list
[00:26] <dogi> without the space
[00:26] <dogi> first space
[00:27] <dogi> thx now I m there
[00:27] <dfarning> I just ran the abore command with out sapace
[00:27] <dfarning> dogi, So now I can forget how to use IRC again:)
[00:27] <dogi> the command for seeing who owns the channel /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam list
[00:28] <dogi> lol
[00:29] <dfarning>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-sugarteam add jelkner +votsriRfAF
[00:30] <dogi> which is the url to ubuntulog
[00:30] <dogi> no space :P
[00:30] <dogi> jupp he is now there
[00:31] <dfarning> dogi, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[00:35]  * dogi likes to be like all the others
[11:04] <dogi> #startmeeting
[11:04] <meeting> Meeting started at 06:06 UTC. The chair is dogi.
[11:04] <meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
[11:05] <dogi> #topic buildslave VM
[11:06] <dogi> subuntuVM is ready for taking over by dfarning and silbe
[11:06] <dogi> IP: <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:07] <dogi> #idea subuntu := sugar+ubuntu == buildslave-ubuntu-10.04-amd64
[11:07] <dogi> #info ip: <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:11] <dogi> #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Machine/treehouse/buildslave-ubuntu-10.04-64bit
[11:11] <dogi> #action dfarning fill wikipage
[11:16] <dogi> #action silbe take over the buildslave
[11:28] <dogi> #action bernie add dns subuntu.sugarlabs.org A <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:29] <dogi> #action bernie add cname buildslave-ubuntu-10.04-amd64
[11:29] <dogi> #endmeeting
[11:29] <meeting> Meeting finished at 06:31.
[11:29] <meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100212_0606.html


[00:41] <petafile> So I have a tablet and there's buttons on the side for stuff like rotate/open journal/stuff, xev doesn't detect the events but the buttons light up when I touch them.  Any ideas on how to get them to be recognized
[00:45] <persia> Try installing input-utils, and seeing if you can use them to determine what events should be sent.
[00:45] <persia> You my find that the events provided are not seen by the kernel (needs patches), or more commonly, you may find that the events simply aren't progressing to X.
[00:46] <persia> In the latter case, you can either fiddle with xorg.conf, or better, with .fdi files to get HAL to tell X to recognise them.
[01:13] <petafile> what tool of input utils should I be using?
[01:19] <persia> I generally start with lsinput, just to make sure I understand which devices are which.
[01:19] <persia> I then tend to use input-kbd to try to get a map from each (this is incomplete for a variety of reasons essentially related to poor mapping between "keyboard" and HID)
[01:20] <persia> Once I have a good idea what I'm seeking, I'll use input-events to find the keycodes for the specific key that won't work.
[01:21] <persia> Note that some devices send "button" presses or ACPI events, rather than keypresses.  For buttonpresses, you can check with jstest from the "joystick" package.
[01:21] <persia> I'm fuzzy on how to determine which ACPI events are being passed.
[02:19] <mcgrof> persia: thanks, installed intrepid though on this eeepc, upgrading to jaunty now, but I still see no packages when I apt-cache search for ubuntu-netbook
[02:19] <mcgrof> maybe I need to update my sources.list with some entries
[02:20] <persia> Shouldn't need do so.  You've main and universe enabled?
[02:21] <persia> Try apt-get update.  `apt-cache search ubuntu-netbook` should return something.  The metapackage name is "ubuntu-netbook-remix"
[02:22] <mcgrof> yeah I have both main and universe, but searching for ubuntu-netbook yields nothing
[02:22] <persia> Even after running apt-get update?
[02:22] <persia> You're using jaunty?
[02:23] <mcgrof> yeah
[02:23] <mcgrof> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty main
[02:23] <persia> Very odd.  Which arch?
[02:23] <mcgrof> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jaunty-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[02:23] <persia> Oh, yeah.  You've only universe enabled in updated.  Add the other components to the first line.
[02:26] <mcgrof> i386
[02:26] <mcgrof> 66
[02:28] <mcgrof> persia: i debootstrapped using i386 but uname -m is 686
[02:28] <persia> That's fine.  add "restricted universe multiverse" to your first line above.
[02:29] <mcgrof> persia: ok thanks


[12:17] <stephen> Hi guys: I just installed gimp from apt just now and I found that there's no other language option but only English, I want to ask whether there's some way to install extra language package for gimp?
[12:23] <skramer> stephen: According to this page https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/1875829 you would need to 'sudo apt install language-pack-gnome-xx' where xx should be replaced by your local language
[12:25] <stephen> skramer: does that works on KDE ?
[12:31] <linuxseeker> hi there. I am almost close to select a linux distro for my business. I'm a data analysis consultant, use mostly web based tools, need R & python, docker & apache superset and - i'm set. I get all that on Linux. What I've decided is that I need a:
[12:31] <linuxseeker>  - stable (not breaking) distro, i have nothing against change
[12:31] <linuxseeker>  - KDE, as trying out I see only one where fractional scaling looks crisp
[12:31] <linuxseeker>  - good support.
[12:31] <linuxseeker>  Now, considering ties with SUSE, I'd say openSUSE is good for professionals. Now my question is - would you go Kubuntu in my use case? Thanks.
[12:31] <skramer> stephen: It did work for me on 20.04 LTS, so I assume it should work for you as well
[12:33] <stephen> Okay, thaks
[12:35] <linuxseeker> PUŠITE KURAC PIČKE, HRVATSKA DO ZEMUNA
[12:36] <Maik> impantient.....
[12:36] <Maik> *impatient
[12:39] <mparillo> linuxseeker: Since you are here, most of us prefer Kubuntu. My reasons (and it has been some years since I have used openSUSE). First, openSUSE just felt a bit sluggish compared to Kubuntu. Second for finding software, it seemed as if I had to hunt down random collections of RPMs. Third, for tutorials randomly on the Internet, 90% of them seemed to target the *buntus.
[12:40] <Maik> mparillo: too late again, they're gone
[12:40] <Maik> hence my reply
[12:41] <mparillo> Well, this channel is logged.
[12:41] <Maik> so?
[12:41] <mparillo> So, he can curl the logs and pipe them to grep to search for his answer.
[12:41] <Maik> you think users really go searching for and reading the logs?
[12:42] <Maik> don't think so, especially the newbs won't
[12:42] <mparillo> I have done it. I even wrote a perl script to format it a bit more nicely.
[12:42] <mparillo> And I have not been paid to write code in a really long time.
[12:43] <Maik> Newbs don't know how to curl the logs and pipe them to grep to search for their answer
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[20:45] <spaceangel> hello.. i need help :-) how to add icon to systray from (bash) script?
[20:45] <spaceangel> i found yad, but.. i want just add icon, and remove when sciprt ends
[20:51] <Maik> spaceangel: please don't cross post :)
[23:42] <user|25> hola, consulta hay forma de resetear de fabrica kubuntu sin usar una imagen de S.O.
[23:43] <user|25> soy principiante


[22:02] <solars> hi, can anyone tell me how I have to setup a Digital Devices Cine CT V6? It says it's supported since kernel v2.x but what do I need to enable?
[22:25] <Shadow__X> solars: did you try and set it up in mythbackend?
[22:26] <solars> I'm unsure about the card itself
[22:26] <solars> but lspci reports: 01:00.0 Multimedia controller: Digital Devices GmbH Octopus DVB Adapter
[22:26] <solars> I don't have /dev/videoX though


[01:13] <bart_17> ii  alsa-base                                  1.0.13-3ubuntu1                        ALSA driver configuration files
[01:13] <bart_17> ii  alsa-utils                                 1.0.13-1ubuntu5                        ALSA utilities
[01:13] <bart_17> ii  libesd-alsa0                               0.2.36-3ubuntu4                        Enlightened Sound Daemon (ALSA) - Shared lib
[01:13] <bart_17> ii  libsdl1.2debian-alsa                       1.2.11-7ubuntu1                        Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and ALSA
[01:13] <bart_17> ii  xfce4-mixer-alsa                           4.4.0-0ubuntu1                         Xfce4 Mixer ALSA backend
[01:14] <Jester45> !pastebin
[01:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:14] <Jester45> you got alsa installed
[01:15] <cellofellow> what is it? Sound not working?
[01:15] <bart_17> yes, sound not working
[01:15] <bart_17> it's an asus a6rpnotebook
[01:22] <bart_17> how do i update alsa?
[01:22] <Jester45> thats the newest version in the repo
[01:23] <Jester45> if you want a newer version you would have to compile but what you where trying before was older
[01:23] <bart_17> i have the newer verision, the one installed is 1.0.13
[01:24] <bart_17> the one i downloaded is 1.0.14
[01:26] <cellofellow> sorry, the extent of my experience with ALSA is it either works or it doesn't. Never gotten a non-working setup working before.
[01:26] <kekk> I had a problem with alsa a few days ago, some other driver (oss?) was running so I had to stop esd or something like that. don't remember really well
[01:27] <cellofellow> ALSA has OSS emulation (for backwards-compatibility).
[01:28] <cellofellow> Like Audacity uses OSS by default (but can use ALSA too).
[01:29] <kekk> the problem was with audacity, it just went silent for no apparent reason
[01:29] <kekk> no, sorry. audacious*, I keep confusing the two
[01:30] <cellofellow> me too
[01:31] <cellofellow> ok, so you have an XMMS-based player not working. What about Xine or GStreamer? Or just aplay?
[01:31] <kekk> me? I fixed it
[01:31] <cellofellow> oh, ok, sorry
[01:31] <cellofellow> :P
[01:31] <kekk> hehe, no problem
[01:43] <vidd> SportChick, your a freenode sysop? i have an issue
[02:06] <vidd> nalioth, you a sysop?
[02:06] <eugman> Would xubuntu be better for running off of a usb harddrive?
[02:11] <Jester45> better than what? ubuntu?
[02:12] <vidd> better is a relative term
[02:14] <bart_17> how do you install : libncurses5-dev
[02:18] <nalioth> vidd: i'm on staff here, if that's what you mean.
[02:18] <vidd> i have an issue....
[02:18] <vrkhans> hi I am planning to install xubuntu but my wireless card which is from Realtek is not detected, what should I do
[02:18] <eugman> yes ubuntu. I asking if it'd probably be more suitable given it's lower requirements
[02:19] <vidd> i forgot my bot's nick password and wanted to know what i needed to do to reset it nalioth
[02:19] <nalioth> vidd: what is the bots nick?
[02:19] <vidd> nalioth, it is vidd-bot
[02:20] <nalioth> what was it doing, vidd ?
[02:20] <nalioth> and there is no way to reset the pass (no email was given to nickserv)
[02:21] <vidd> i had lost the scripts and needed to reinstall
[02:22] <vidd> so i have to wait 60 days for it to expire to re-request it?
[02:22] <nalioth> why was it using tor?
[02:23] <vrkhans> can some one help me
[02:23] <vrkhans> how i can install my wire less card
[02:23] <vidd> just to hold two of my rooms and for some games/info
[02:24] <nalioth> !wireless
[02:24] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:25] <nalioth> vidd: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor
[02:26] <vidd> vrkhans, what issue you having from your card?
[02:27] <vrkhans> when I did lspci, I had that card listed but is not loaded
[02:28] <vidd> what did it say the card was?
[02:29] <vrkhans> realtek
[02:29] <vrkhans>  Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)
[02:30] <vrkhans> this is the card
[02:30] <vrkhans> I dont know why it is not detected
[02:31] <vidd> it is detected....otherwise lspci would not show it
[02:31] <vidd> you need the driver for it installed....
[02:32] <vrkhans> but in the network it is not shown
[02:32] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-416993.html
[02:33] <vidd> see if that helps
[02:34] <vrkhans> i didnt get
[02:34] <vrkhans> I am reading
[02:36] <vidd> nalioth, i dont understand....
[02:48] <vrkhans> found no solution
[02:48] <vrkhans> can any one help
[03:01] <vidd> nalioth, if i remove the tor server, will the bot work again?
[03:01] <vidd> and how do i reset the password?
[03:02] <nalioth> vidd: you cannot reset the password for another 59ish days
[03:02] <Pumpernickel> You want to reset a password, without authenticating to show you have the rights to modify the password?
[03:02] <Pumpernickel> *blinks*
[03:41] <rathel> How do I turn down the sensitivity on my Scroll Wheel?
[04:14] <retour> How to create desktop icons in Xfce????
[04:14] <Jester45> for what
[04:15] <retour> exactly I had default desktop with my drives filesystem etc. Than I've installed K3B and everything dissapeared
[04:16] <Jester45> try richt clicking on the desktop
[04:16] <Jester45> then desktop preferences -> behavior
[04:16] <Jester45> then at the bottom is Show icons for
[04:17] <Jester45> if its checked uncheck and logout/restart/kill X
[04:17] <Jester45> then log back in
[04:17] <Jester45> if they are still gone go back and check them
[04:18] <retour> OK right click doesnt work - what now?????
[04:19] <Jester45> aa
[04:19] <Jester45> much easier think
[04:19] <Jester45> alt +F2
[04:19] <Jester45> type xfdeskop then click run
[04:22] <retour> Yay!  Thank you!!!!!!! What it is/was exactly???? system bug or by mashing keyboard I've activated some magic spell?
[04:22] <Jester45> it crashes some times
[04:22] <Jester45> also
[04:22] <Jester45> if you lose your panel
[04:22] <Jester45> do the same but type xfce4-panel
[04:22] <Jester45> or window borders are xfwm4
[04:23] <retour> Errr about that it crashes - I've restarted my PC many times - this option was like locked setting
[04:23] <vidd> what...the two panel issue?
[04:24] <Jester45> he lost xfdesktop
[04:24] <retour> no - no icons or desktop wallpaper
[04:24] <vidd> oh
[04:24] <Jester45> i was telling him the other things that die
[04:27] <retour> I also have question related to window managers. Which one is the fastest one ? Takes least amount of resources? I want to log into fastest one only to play my game which was impossible under Mandriva+KDE, very slow Ubuntu/Gnome and moderate under Xubuntu
[04:28] <Jester45> none
[04:28] <rici> screen :)
[04:28] <Jester45> if all you want to use it that one game ut everything out the windowmanger panel desktop
[04:29] <retour> hmmm U mean no GUI but I'm afraid my game will refuse to start! Its a 3D shooter based on Enemy Territory engine
[04:29] <retour> Is it possible to run 3D graphics apps from command line with X11 off?
[04:30] <retour> "ut " everything???
[04:31] <Jester45> you can run them from the cli but they have to have a X server to output ot
[04:31] <Jester45> to*
[04:32] <Jester45> so you can be in a terminal and run the command and point it to go to the X server but you cant run a 3d app without X
[04:36] <retour> Thank you Jester - Sounds a bit complicated. How you would do this Having workin Xfce for normal workstation use and than needed to free all possible resources (for gaming of course)?
[04:36] <Jester45> have 2 diffrent gdm sessions
[04:37] <Jester45> one for normal
[04:37] <Jester45> and when you want to game logout and log in the minimal session
[04:37] <Jester45> or
[04:37] <retour> GDM = Graphics Display Manager = Xfce?
[04:37] <Jester45> you could try a diffrent wm like fluxbox or openbox
[04:37] <Jester45> xubuntu uses gdm
[04:38] <Jester45> it was gdm or kdm and kdm is a lot slower
[04:38] <Jester45> i would like a custom one or xdm
[04:38] <Jester45> i my self use startxfce4
[04:38] <retour> So I should google for fastest window manager, install it and that switch sessions
[04:39] <Jester45> !evilwm
[04:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evilwm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <Jester45> !info evilwm
[04:39] <ubotu> evilwm: a minimalist window manager for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.21-1 (feisty), package size 25 kB, installed size 104 kB
[04:40] <Jester45> its a 1 pixel black line for a boarder
[04:41] <retour> err it will give me some option to create icon as a shortcut to my game file or at least command line to run it or some kinda script to bind it to Alt+F12 etc?
[04:42] <Jester45> well
[04:42] <Jester45> i think you have to kill xfwm4 and then start evilwm
[04:42] <Jester45> you could script it to do thatthen start the game
[04:42] <Jester45> but i dont think you going to get much more speed from it
[04:43] <retour> hmm sounds complicated nothing to just select session during the log in time?
[04:46] <Jester45> it would be simple if i knew how to use sed
[04:47] <retour> do you think killing some system services would give me anything? But in process manager they are idle at about 0% CPU load
[04:47] <retour> what is SED?
[04:49] <retour> Additionaly what do you think about using different kernel? Default is generic what means nothing to me. Should I experiment with 386 or 686 or some other versions?
[04:50] <vidd> retour, the generic is like "universal"
[04:50] <retour> BTW anybody here successful installing ANY modern distro on Compaq Proliant 2500 (dual Pentium Pro + SCSI Raid Controller)?
[04:50] <vidd> if you want to experiment with the others, go ahead....just back your data up =]
[04:51] <retour> vidd: Any hints which kernel will be the slimest one without all extra add ons? PIII 550Mhz here
[04:52] <vidd> nope
[04:52] <vidd> generic works just fine for me
[04:53] <retour> looks like I should compile my own - If I only had enough experience
[04:53] <vidd> i dont run desktops on my machines that old
[04:53] <maxamillion> retour: i have run desktops on machines that old .... only drawback with the generic kernel is boot time is a little slow, but with the ubuntu upstart system it only actually loads the modules needed by boot
[04:54] <retour> Thats just a broke in system man! hehe Anyway I had great success installing Damn Small Linux on Pentium 200MMX + 64MB RAM + 4GB HDD. Very snappy beast for typical simple office internet apps
[04:55] <retour> maxamillion: thank you!
[04:55] <maxamillion> retour: no problem :)
[04:56] <vidd> retour, i run 3 servers, 2 laptops and a desktop
[04:57] <retour> maxamillion: how you make such a remark? I mean IRC channel trick to be displayed this way?
[04:57] <vidd> retour,  start you statement with /me
[04:58] <maxamillion> does whatever a spider pig does :)
[04:58] <retour> HA thank you! extra knowledge is always good
[04:58] <maxamillion> that it is
[04:58] <maxamillion> jeebus i LOVE documentation
[04:58] <maxamillion> makes the world go round
[04:59] <retour> OK thank you folks for your kindness.I dont want to abuse it too much tonight so back to great search for light speed window manager. Bye
[05:03] <maxamillion> ahhh!!! i have one for him ....
[05:03] <maxamillion> openbox
[05:03] <maxamillion> mmmmm openbox
[05:03] <Jester45> i said that
[05:03] <maxamillion> oh ... i missed it
[05:03] <Jester45> one ahead of you maxamillion
[05:04] <Jester45> yea i know
[05:31] <superkirbyartist> Hello?
[05:31] <Jester45> ?olleH
[05:31] <superkirbyartist> The login manager won't start correctly.
[05:32] <vidd> please define "correctly"
[05:32] <Jester45> sorry Pumpernickel dont ban me
[05:32] <maxamillion> Pumpernickel: ?
[05:32] <Pumpernickel> Not here, too.
[05:33] <Pumpernickel> Hmmm.
[05:42] <Pumpernickel> Channel hopping troll, for anyone curious.
[06:07] <rathel> How do I turn down the sensitivity on my Scroll Wheel?
[06:07] <cellofellow> one sec...
[06:07] <cellofellow> ok, it's not in the mouse control panel
[06:07] <rathel> No.
[06:08] <cellofellow> No complaints with mine though, so I don't no how.
[06:08] <rathel> Ah, Okay.
[06:09] <Pumpernickel> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/9200 seems to suggest it's not currently possible.
[06:10] <cellofellow> X just never bothered to have adjustability in wheels, ah?
[06:10] <cellofellow> eh
[06:10] <Pumpernickel> Seems like it.
[06:11] <rathel> Oh okay that sucks, It only seems to happen under XFCE, Under Gnome and KDE it wasn't so sensitive.
[06:12] <cellofellow> then GNOME and KDE have a control on it that XFCE doesn't.
[06:12] <vidd> rathel, there is a way to adjust it....
[06:12] <vidd> im looking into it now
[06:13] <cellofellow> (please don't expect xfce to have every feature under the sun.)
[06:13] <vidd> its IS in the mouse contol panel
[06:14] <rathel> cellofellow, yeah but was hoping for something for scroll wheel sensitivity.. lol
[06:14] <vidd> is it too fast or too slow?
[06:14] <rathel> Fast.
[06:15] <rathel> That firefox trick, doesn't work for me, it jitters like it slowed down but it's doesn't effect it much.. lol
[06:21] <vidd> rathel, what screen resolution are you using?
[06:21] <rathel> 1440x900
[06:22] <vidd> i think your issue is because of the sceen resolution more then the mouse
[06:22] <vidd> but i could be wrong
[06:22] <rathel> But it isn't so sensitive under Gnome or KDE, I  think it's something with XFCE. :(
[06:25] <vidd> have you adjusted the "accessibility" options in mouse preferences?
[06:26] <rathel> Doesn't do anything.
[06:26] <vidd> then i dont know
[06:26] <vidd> what kind of mouse?
[06:26] <rathel> I've been thinking, maybe something got screwed up, because this was originally a Kubuntu install, and I removed KDE and replaced it with XFCE.
[06:27] <vidd> well...you could try a clean install
[06:27] <vidd> =]
[06:27] <rathel> It's a microsoft wireless notebook mouse 400.
[06:28] <vidd> +didnt your mother ever teach you about playing with snakes?
[06:28] <vidd> =]
[06:28] <cellofellow> snakes, eh?
[06:28] <rathel> But I play with mine every night. :P
[06:28] <cellofellow> No, my mother taught me to play with snakes by freaking out whenever she saw one and making it entertaining.
[06:29] <vidd> haha
[06:29] <cellofellow> j/k, I just couldn't resist the retort.
[06:29] <rathel> I would reinstall with Xubuntu... but my cd's always get screwed up with Xubuntu. it's the weirdest thing.
[06:30] <vidd> "they are there to keep the rabbits and feild mice out of the garden...not to poke at with a stick"
[06:30] <vidd> so get the mini iso
[06:31] <cellofellow> there are like a dozen mosquitos in my computer nook.
[06:31] <vidd> do a net install
[06:31] <rathel> I didn't think ubuntu had mini isos.. lol guess I didn't look hard enough.
[06:31] <cellofellow> it's new
[06:32] <vidd> cellofellow, its been around since breezy at least
[06:33] <vidd> you can either dig it upo in the archives...or get it from http://vidd.us/downloads
[06:34] <rathel> Okay, thanks.
[06:34] <vidd> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[06:35] <vidd> i have the gutsy and fiesty on my downloads page
[06:35] <vidd> oh that reminds me....
[06:35] <cellofellow> it's the mole! Hi grumpymole!
[06:36] <vidd> cellofellow, you still having issues with fonts in FF?
[06:36] <grumpymole> hey!
[06:36] <cellofellow> yes
[06:36] <vidd> go to about:config
[06:36] <cellofellow> ok
[06:36] <vidd> search dpi
[06:36] <vidd> set it to 96
[06:36] <vidd> restart FF
[06:37] <cellofellow> already is
[06:37] <vidd> =\
[06:37] <vidd> its not -1?
[06:37] <cellofellow> that's right
[06:37] <cellofellow> layout.css.dpi
[06:37] <vidd> yeah'
[06:38] <grumpymole> i saw something recently that suggested setting layout.css.dpi to 0 to make it take the sytem default
[06:38] <vidd> yes...if you WANT system default
[06:39] <cellofellow> maybe on the higher res if I set it to 100 I'll do better
[06:40] <cellofellow> 1280x1024 on a 16" viewable should be about 100dpi right?
[06:40] <vidd> try 0 or 120
[06:40] <cellofellow> ok, I'll have to edit xorg.conf though
[06:40] <vidd> no...in about:config
[06:40] <cellofellow> I'll do that later
[06:41] <cellofellow> No, I mean to set the resolution back to 1280x1024, I'm using 1152x864 right now.
[06:41] <vidd> whats wrong with the display settings tool?
[06:42] <cellofellow> I removed 1280x1024 from xorg.conf and it is no longer in that tool.
[06:42] <vidd> ah
[06:43] <cellofellow> before I had either different resolutions in GDM and XFCE (annoying) or I had a scrolling desktop (more annoying).
[06:44] <vidd> if the font is too small you want to make the # SMALLER
[06:44] <cellofellow> the dpi number?
[06:44] <vidd> so if 96 is too small, set it to 80
[06:44] <vidd> yes
[06:44] <cellofellow> ok
[06:45] <cellofellow> I though fonts only came in 72 or 96 though.
[06:45] <cellofellow> thought*
[06:45] <vidd> as an experiment, i switched from 96 to 120, and the font got smaller
[06:45] <vidd> well..then use 72
[06:45] <vidd> =]
[06:46] <cellofellow> :-)
[06:48] <vidd> yeah....setting it to 72 makes it REALLY big on my screen
[06:49] <cellofellow> ok, I'll experiment. Things are fine with 96 at this res though, so, thanks.
[06:49] <vidd> if you set it to 0 it will use the same settings as your system
[06:49] <cellofellow> whatever those are.
[07:41] <zs6jce> HYPER_CH  hello are you there??
[07:49] <Catoptromancy_> I wonder how much can be done with a live CD
[07:49] <Catoptromancy_> instead of ever installing, just save programs and stuff to a FAT32
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> Catoptromancy_: I've known people who ran them for weeks.
[07:53] <Catoptromancy_> heh cool
[07:53] <Catoptromancy_> installing with aptitude?
[07:53] <Catoptromancy_> compiling?
[07:54] <Catoptromancy_> would need to mount a folder on HD as /
[07:54] <Catoptromancy_> i think
[10:03] <lnx> how i can make xubuntu to not save the session and start without any windows on restart ?
[10:10] <lnx> how i can make xubuntu to not save the session and start without any windows on restart ?
[10:16] <Ramla> lnx: settings/sessions and startup/ untick 'automatically save session on logout'
[10:17] <Ramla> then you'll probably still have the old session info saved in, let me figure out
[10:19] <Ramla> possibly ~/.config/xfce4-session but I'm not sure
[10:20] <Ramla> removing it should remove any session information, but just to be sure not to lose anything in case i'm wrong, just rename the directory
[10:32] <brokenthorn> Guys, I'm trying to install xubus on a very old PC
[10:32] <brokenthorn> It has only 32MB of RAM
[10:32] <brokenthorn> It went into Low mem mode
[10:32] <brokenthorn> And said I should install at least 36MB of RAM
[10:33] <brokenthorn> I ignored the warning though
[10:33] <brokenthorn> It's still installing
[10:33] <brokenthorn> Do you guys think it will install ok?
[10:34] <brokenthorn> Also, I have only 990MB for the instalation, I hope that is enough. It didn't give any warning on that part.
[10:34] <brokenthorn> The rest, about 110 MB, I left for the swap space
[10:36] <brokenthorn> I chosed Xubuntu because nothing else would install. Ubuntu needs at least 64 MB of RAM, Arch's kernel hangs (tried nosmp acpi=off pci=routeirq...)... Xubuntu works :)
[12:40] <john_doe> how comes my ~/.profile is not sourced at login?
[12:44] <lnx> how i can change shortcut icon of shortcut that is on the desktop ?
[01:08] <lnx> how i can change shortcut icon ?
[01:10] <Jester45> please do not repeat your question often
[01:30] <ThatLazyGuy> i need some help with the startup programs in xubuntu
[01:33] <Jester45>  what about them
[01:38] <ref> hi, why would bootcdwrite want so bad to access files in /sys??
[01:40] <ref> file /sys/module/sbs/parameters/capacity_mode (and others) not be accessible to mkisofs while running bootcdwrite as root
[01:45] <ref> the /sys folder keeps infos about the hardware and is loaded on RAM, are these acertions right?
[01:55] <ThatLazyGuy> Hi, i'm new to Xubuntu, i want to know how can i manage the startup programs in Xubuntu?
[01:55] <ThatLazyGuy> It starts beryl manager(which i dont use) and amarok on start up
[01:55] <ThatLazyGuy> i want to disable them
[02:03] <lnx> why onstartup a terminal window is open automatic ?
[02:48] <lnx> someone know why i can select files on the desktop ?
[02:50] <john_doe> how comes my ~/.profile is not sourced at login? Which one is sourced in stead?
[04:35] <Wormy> Anyone awake in here?
[04:45] <lnx> someone know why i can select files on the desktop ?
[04:56] <kekk> lnx, you want to hide the FIlesystem, Home folder etc?
[04:58] <lnx> kekk , no , when i move the mouse and right click i want to have that "square" that i select with him icon - for example when i have on the desktop 5 files and i want to delete them all i need to solect them and then to right click and then delete
[04:58] <lnx> but i cant select . . .
[04:59] <kekk> oh, sorry, misunderstood you.
[05:01] <lnx> kekk , i cant select icon ( like home trash .. . )
[05:02] <kekk> hmm, I don't know how to help you I'm afraid. I installed xubuntu yesterday :)
[05:03] <lnx> kekk , just tell me do you can select icon with the mouse like i told you ?
[05:03] <kekk> one sec, xubuntu is on my other machine in the other room
[05:05] <kekk> oh I see what you mean
[05:05] <kekk> I can't do it either
[05:06] <kekk> in a directory, when browsing files, I can do it though
[05:08] <lnx> kekk , but on the desktop you cant ?
[05:08] <kekk> yes
[05:09] <kekk> only ctrl+click, it's annoying
[05:10] <lnx> ok so its not problem on my pc :)
[05:45] <kekk> what's an easy way to share files between two (x)ubuntu machines?
[06:16] <luckz> do I want to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu or something completely different for Xubuntu repository management?
[06:27] <lnx> why console in automatic open when the system start ?
[06:46] <TheSheep> lnx: you saved it with your session
[06:46] <TheSheep> lnx: just close it and save session again
[06:46] <lnx> TheSheep , how ?
[06:47] <TheSheep> lnx: there is a checkbox when you're logging out
[07:09] <vidd> how would i do that?
[07:13] <TheSheep> vidd: you want to have startxfce4 run as root? O.o
[07:14] <vidd> well yeah....
[07:14] <TheSheep> bad idea
[07:14] <vidd> gdm is messed up in gutsy....its using the wrong dpi
[07:14] <vidd> if i knew how to fix that...that would be just as well
[07:14] <wlfwhiterabbit> hi! please i'd like to delete my files with only one command, without making them pass through the paper-basket. can you help me? thank!
[07:15] <TheSheep> wlfwhiterabbit: hold down shift when selecting 'delete'
[07:15] <vidd> wlfwhiterabbit, if you are using thunar to find these files, hold the [shift]  key while you hit [delete]
[07:15] <TheSheep> vidd: slowpoke ;)
[07:16] <TheSheep> vidd: you can try xdm instead
[07:16] <vidd> +so can you tell me how to modify that?
[07:17] <vidd> or just apt-get remove gdm && apt-get install xgm?
[07:17] <TheSheep> xdm
[07:17] <TheSheep> yes
[07:17] <vidd> typo
[07:17] <TheSheep> but it aint pretty
[07:17] <TheSheep> slim is pretty, but not in repos, I think
[07:18] <vidd> im not looking for slim...im looking for functional
[07:18] <TheSheep> vidd: slim is a name
[07:18] <vidd> oh
[07:19] <TheSheep> !dpi
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:19] <TheSheep> vidd: you can start by setting the physical monitor dimensions in your xorg.conf
[07:20] <vidd> you say  that like its something EVERYBODY should just know!
[07:20] <TheSheep> vidd: google for 'linux dpi' :)
[07:21] <TheSheep> http://scanline.ca/dpi/
[07:21] <TheSheep> gimp hit 2.4.0rc1
[08:16] <lphst> hello
[08:17] <lphst> anybody alive?
[08:17] <kekk> yeah
[08:17] <lphst> great
[08:18] <lphst> I'm having a bit of a problem with a marvell yukon ethernet card
[08:18] <lphst> any experience from those?
[08:19] <lphst> i can't get any kind of connection from it.
[08:20] <lphst> got the proper module up and ip set correctly and all
[08:23] <lphst> apparently no.
[08:23] <lphst> fair enuff.
[08:26] <kekk> no experience, sorry
[08:27] <lphst> that's cool
[08:27] <lphst> seems that there's few people who do after all
[08:30] <macogw> how do you edit the menu in xfce?  right click > edit menus doesnt give any options for any programs liek gnome does
[08:40] <kekk> can anybody help me get ssh working?
[08:41] <kekk> it seems it's only listening on ipv6 O.o
[08:41] <wlfwhiterabbit> hi! i'd like to know if under xububtu the key Stamp RSist works as under win, so that i can take a screenshot
[08:50] <macogw> stamp rsist?
[08:50] <macogw> you mean print screen?
[09:13] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:18] <SrRaven> tag
[09:20] <lphst> wie geht's
[10:15] <hyper_ch> huhu
[10:15] <hyper_ch> was machen all die Deutschen hier drinnen?
[10:19] <Ramla> wichsen
[10:34] <slow-motion> bye
[10:42] <sayers> is there a way to get xubuntu to look like defualt XFCE?
[10:51] <hyper_ch> sayers: sure there is
[10:52] <kekk> anybody with freenx experience?
[10:58] <hyper_ch> kekk: had it once
[10:59] <kekk> think you can help? I can't connect
[10:59] <kekk> I can ssh to the machine though
[10:59] <kekk> !paste
[10:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:00] <kekk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34564/
[11:02] <kekk> any ideas?
[11:24] <Sayers> hi
[11:25] <Sayers> Is there a tutorial on making xfce look like xfce should?
[11:25] <hyper_ch> Sayers: theme it back to the way xfce looks ;)
[11:25] <Sayers> where is that :)
[11:26] <hyper_ch> Sayers: no clue, the only eye candy I done is adding a wallpaper changer
[11:26] <Sayers> hehe
[11:26] <Sayers> ill try
[11:26] <Sayers> installing atm
[11:26] <Sayers> so just for learning
[11:27] <Sayers> wow
[11:27] <Sayers> some nice nice themes
[11:27] <Sayers> but still not the way it is intended
[11:30] <Sayers> I guess Ill have to do it the hard way
[11:30] <Sayers> oh well
[11:30] <Sayers> it's worth the hour of customization :)
[11:30] <pAyE> Sayers
[11:30] <pAyE> Sayers
[11:33] <Sayers> pAyE: ?
[11:34] <Sayers> pAyE: ?
[11:46] <Sayers> I wonder why my sound isnt working
[11:47] <Sayers> hm it works in gxine
[11:47] <Sayers> but not with pidgin
[11:59] <steven_> I offically love xubuntu gutsy
[11:59] <steven_> wow
[12:00] <hyper_ch> steven_: marry it
[12:00] <steven_> maybe I will
[12:00] <hyper_ch> :)
[12:04] <TheSheep> then you'll have a lot of tiny little ubuntu forks
[12:04] <TheSheep> and spoons
[12:52] <Sayers> how can I have my two HDD's not shown on the Desktop?
[12:58] <TheSheep> Sayers: settings->desktop settings->second tab
[12:59] <Sayers> TheSheep: you have made my desktop better :D
[01:01] <Sayers> I am so amazed
[01:01] <Sayers> at how awesome Xubuntu Testing is
[01:01] <kekk> hmm, TheSheep. I unticked trash but it still shows
[01:03] <TheSheep> kekk: might require running 'xfdekstop --reload' or even killing it and running 'xfdesktop' again
[01:04] <kekk> okay, will try reloading it
[01:04] <kekk> still there. meh
[01:04] <TheSheep> off with its head!
[01:04] <vidd> kekk, what is the issue?
[01:05] <kekk> I don't want to display any icons on the desktop, except for one file
[01:05] <kekk> it's going to be a 'typewriter' for my grandparents
[01:05] <kekk> so I don't want anything to confuse them
[01:06] <vidd> give them a little credit
[01:06] <cellofellow> kekk: open the Desktop Settings, in Behavior uncheck all those checkboxes. Then uncheck and recheck that one checkbox at the top of the panel.
[01:06] <kekk> ok, will do
[01:06] <kekk> thanks, that worked
[01:06] <cellofellow> :)
[01:07] <cellofellow> Files in ~/Desktop will still show.
[01:07] <kekk> vidd, well, grandma can surf the net also :)
[01:07] <kekk> that's great, thanks, cellofellow
[01:07] <kekk> I'm so awed by NX atm
[01:07] <cellofellow> glad to be of service.
[01:07] <kekk> it's great