[11:40] <directhex> guys, do all browsers on ubuntu sharing a common XUL version look in a common folder for plugins? e.g. will all of them look in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins?
[15:52] <asac> [reed]: ffox 3.0 in gutsy isnt firefox 3 ... its granparadiso.
[15:53] <asac> directhex: if you package things up, use /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins ... if you want to write a custom installer use the dir you suggested
[15:54] <directhex> asac, so *all* xul-based browsers on ubuntu will look in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins?
[15:54] <asac> directhex: all xul-1.9-or-later based applications ... yes
[15:54] <asac> (not only browsers)
[15:55] <directhex> asac, okay, good. and that applies on debian too? i know their xul stack differs a little
[15:56] <MechtiIde> asac hello
[15:57] <MechtiIde> when can we expect lightning 0.9 for Deb and Ubuntu?
[15:58] <asac> directhex: debian does their own thing. we have been first with all this ... the intentionally broke things to make our life harder
[16:00] <asac> directhex: but debian doesnt really try to seriously maintain this
[16:01] <asac> directhex: they even want to cancel security support. which basically means that hopefully they wont include xulrunner or iceweasel at all - but probably they will do anyway and just dont care that the xulrunner maintainer doesnt care about security
[16:04] <directhex> i'm not enormously fussed about the politics, i just want to prepare the best package i can. preferably without the rather bulky debian/links in the current source package
[16:05] <asac> directhex: which package?
[16:06] <directhex> asac, moonlight, the open-source implementation of microsoft silverlight. marillat has made an initial package without asking anyone on the pkg-mono team if they had anything to offer, i'd like to fix up what he's done & get it into debian, and from there, jaunty.
[16:08] <asac> directhex: ok. put it where you want then ... mozilla.plugins will probably work too
[16:11] <asac> directhex: what license is moonlight?
[16:11] <directhex> http://anonsvn.mono-project.com/viewvc/trunk/moon/LICENSE?revision=112447&view=markup
[16:12] <directhex> i.e. mostly lgpl2, some mit/x11, ms-pl
[16:13] <asac> its a mess license
[16:13] <asac> "no later" + everything that interfaces with other licenses becomes that license
[16:13] <asac> also you can buy other rights from novell
[16:14] <asac> so either i can make this GPLv3 or later by just changing the code to use GPLv3 bits
[16:15] <asac> or its a complete mess :)
[16:17] <asac> directhex: is there a spec for this silverlight thing? how did mono figure out how to code this?
[16:31] <directhex> applying text on http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/bb188743.aspx to lessons learnt from mono, i think. i think they got a basic implementation running within 3 weeks. #mono on gimpnet can better answer history lesson questions
[16:32] <directhex> and i think about a year ago MS started providing detailed specs & test suites to novell
[16:32] <directhex> from what i hear, it's also been suggested more than once that MS get the spec submitted to ISO/ECMA. but that kind of thing takes time
[17:35] <asac> directhex: ok thanks
[17:35] <asac> directhex: can you put that plugin in a ppa?
[17:37] <asac> directhex: could you please add the Npp-* headers to the binary plugin package control?
[17:37] <asac> directhex: look in gnash or other plugins we ship
[17:37] <directhex> asac, yes, i can, it'll go into my mono PPA  - but i want to clean it up a little first. an inital version is already in debian-multimedia, but needs tweaking
[17:38] <asac> directhex: with those Npp-* headers the plugin package will be automatically picked up by the plugin finder wizard of firefox
[17:38] <directhex> asac, oh, that's clever. thanks for the tip!
[17:39] <asac> directhex: how high is the likelyhood that the silverlight files will actually be playable on linux/mono/moonlight?
[17:39] <asac> is that supposed to be 100% compatible?
[17:40] <directhex> asac, this likely: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/moonlight.png
[17:40] <directhex> asac, it's totally a work in progress, but it's heading towards 100% much much faster than, say, gnash
[17:41] <asac> directhex: ok.
[17:44] <directhex> asac, i have a fair few people using my PPA - though only 2 of the packages right now aren't just simple backports - http://directhex.mfgames.com/hardy.html


[01:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:15] <tohoyn> When will the package theme-d be updated to the newest version in Ubuntu? It has been recently updated in Debian testing.
[05:40] <Mekaneck> tohoyn: probably not
[05:41] <tohoyn> Mekaneck: ?
[05:42] <Mekaneck> tohoyn: saying the package won't be updated to the newest version
[05:42] <Mekaneck> Ubuntu isn't a rolling release
[05:42] <tohoyn> Mekaneck: I mean that the newest version of theme-d updated to the ubuntu development version
[05:43] <Mekaneck> tohoyn: that's something to ask in #ubuntu-next
[05:43] <tohoyn> Mekaneck: ok. tx.
[05:47] <Mekaneck> but again, i don't think it will get the newest version because the feature freeze took place on the 19th the Debian Import Freeze was the 12th of this month
[05:54] <tohoyn> Mekaneck: so is there a freeze in Ubuntu now?
[05:56] <Bashing-om> tohoyn: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2021-August/001295.html <- Impish Indri (to be 21.10) now in Feature Freeze .
[05:57] <tohoyn> tx
[05:58] <Bashing-om> !latest | tohoyn
[06:01] <Mekaneck> tohoyn: always has been
[06:02] <Mekaneck> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-schedule/18540
[06:31] <TJ-> who the heck is Croran? the attitude is extremely toxic and confrontational
[06:47] <tomreyn> i agree, not sure who it is
[06:50] <tomreyn> i gave them a warning in -ops
[07:01] <ducasse> good morning
[07:15] <ducasse> morning TJ- - you got any experience with nucs?
[07:15] <TJ-> ducasse: is that a spelling mistake?
[07:15] <ducasse> i mean intel nuc
[07:15] <TJ-> ducasse: I'm tempted to refer you to a squirrel!
[07:15] <TJ-> OH!!
[07:15] <TJ-> no, sorry
[07:16] <ducasse> kk, i need a new desktop, tempted to go for a simple solution
[07:16] <TJ-> oh, small form factor PC - I thought nuc was just a mobo designation!
[07:17] <TJ-> Typical Intel "Next Unit of Computing"
[07:17] <ducasse> yeah, they're very handy, can even mount them on a vesa mount on the back of your monitor
[07:17] <TJ-> I've been trying to avoid Intel CPUs for some time now
[07:17] <ducasse> the name is a bit pretentious, but we don't let that bother us
[07:18] <ducasse> yeah, i can't find anything similar with a ryzen
[07:24] <tomreyn> but there is
[07:25] <tomreyn> https://www.amd.com/en/products/embedded-minipc-solutions
[07:25] <ducasse> oh? who makes them?
[07:25] <tomreyn> you need to expand that drawer to the bottom to see the makers
[07:25] <ducasse> do they work well with linux?
[07:25] <tomreyn> it's not a complete list, though
[07:26] <tomreyn> i don't know whether they work well with linux. i don't see why not.
[07:26] <ducasse> interesting, thanks
[07:26] <ducasse> i'll check them out
[07:27] <tomreyn> those are just mainboards, you'll find  several brands setting both complete systems and barebones. i know asus has a series based on those.
[07:27] <ducasse> those might even be available here :)
[07:29] <TJ-> I've got AMD based PC Engines APUs for routers; no good for your requirement (based on AMD Geode and no GPU) but they're reliable and full-featured
[07:30] <ducasse> yeah, i'm familiar with those
[07:30] <tomreyn> https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=sysdiv&xf=450_Mini-PC%7E6764_AMD
[07:31] <tomreyn> https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=barepc&xf=2508_AMD%7E4249_Mini-PC%7E7675_mit+CPU
[07:31] <tomreyn> the firs tis systems, the second is barebones
[07:33] <tomreyn> this site's product DB is really centric to german speakign countries, you may find better results if you tick all the country boxes on the top
[07:33] <tomreyn> nex tto the country flags
[07:35] <ducasse> 👍
[07:41]  * TJ- slides a Ryxen 7 32-core under ducasse's desk
[07:41] <TJ-> hmmm, that'll be a Chinese knock-off of the Ryzen :D
[07:41] <ducasse> moar heating!
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-20-04-3-lts-focal-fossa-is-out-with-linux-kernel-5-11-and-mesa-21-graphics-stack