[00:03] <_calum> Hi. Is it possible to get openoffice to read out text aloud?
[00:07] <ignas> hi guys, I've installed kubuntu on my lenovo T510, now I've got LAMP set up  and I'm trying to install netbeans. It installs well and runs too, but the problem is that I cannot see it neither in the software center nor it's listed in the context menu so I cannot choose to run a file in it
[00:08] <ignas> when i click on a file -> properties -> open with - it's not listed there either
[00:09] <ignas> any ideas?
[00:10] <ignas> can you at least see what i'm writing here lol
[00:11] <ignas> oh and it's netbeans for php
[00:15] <James147> ignas: we can see you, but be paitent, most people here only casualy check what people are saying
[00:16] <James147> ignas: but how did you install netbeans?
[00:16] <ignas> ok no worries, i just figured maybe i need to register or something so people could see me :)
[00:16] <ignas> i downloaded the sh file from netbeans.org
[00:16] <ignas> installed java
[00:17] <ignas> and ran sudo sh netbeans-7...
[00:17] <ignas> the installation was quite straight forward and had shown a success message
[00:18] <James147> ignas: thens thats why it hasnt created a menu and isnt in the software center... the software center only manages packages installed via the packagemanagment system (it cannt guess what you installed) and its likly the sh script didnt create the menu entries
[00:18] <ignas> is it possible to fix it somehow? I'm really a linux newbie
[00:20] <James147> hmm, strange... seems to be packaged for everything but oneiric -> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=netbeans :S
[00:21] <James147> ignas: you can add a menu entry by right clicking the menu -> edit menu : and add an entry
[00:22] <James147> ignas: though it is generally better to get a package for it
[00:23] <ignas> James, the problem is the right click menu. Because if I have a file somewhere in some folder which I want to edit with netbeans - I basically can't because it is not listed in the open with section
[00:24] <James147> ignas: add a menu entry then you can set file associations
[01:10] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I just burned a CD for upgrading, but I have forgotten how to upgrade Kubuntu using the CD itself.
[03:24] <sehven> hi
[03:25] <sehven> can anyone guide me where to get the mp3 plugin for amarok?
[03:25] <DasKreech> !mp3
[03:26] <sehven> i already tried  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:29] <sehven> thx ubottu! now i can see the fluendo in the package manager :)
[03:32] <sehven> thanks again! im off to check if all settings are saved. :D
[03:33] <DasKreech> :)
[03:36] <juacom99> Hi, 1 quick question, i got an enviroment variabel defined. and i don't know where i defined it. is ther any way to trace it?
[03:37] <DasKreech> juacom99: Which variable?
[03:37] <DasKreech> I'm presuming this is Bsh?
[03:37] <DasKreech> Bash
[03:37] <juacom99> DasKreech: JAVA_HOME
[03:37] <juacom99> i check in bashrc, /etc/profile, ~/.bash_profile and ther's nothing there
[03:38] <juacom99> DasKreech: yes is bash you presume well :P
[03:41] <DasKreech> I would suppose that's coming from the JAVA package
[03:43] <juacom99> DasKreech: i download the binaris from oracle's web
[03:43] <juacom99> then i install and add the enviroment variabel myself
[03:44] <James147> juacom99: just add it you ~/.bashrc
[03:44] <James147> it to your ^^
[03:44] <DasKreech> juacom99: I thought you were looking for where you got the variable from?
[03:45] <juacom99> DasKreech: i'm kinnda am. I wanna know where i set the variabel in the firs please
[03:45] <James147> ^^ or ~/.profile
[03:45] <juacom99> *kinnda
[03:45] <juacom99> James147: that will ovewite the vaiabel only form me
[03:46] <juacom99> i want to make it global :P
[03:46] <James147> juacom99: then in /etc/profile...
[03:47] <juacom99> yes but if is set on any of my profiles files it get overwited for me to the old value
[03:47] <juacom99> that's why i was looking where i export it in the first please
[03:48] <James147> juacom99: "cd /etc; grep -r "JAVA_HOME" ,
[03:48] <juacom99> cool that was what i was looking for ( i think)
[03:49] <juacom99> thanks bouth
[03:49] <DasKreech> or cd /home; sudo grep -r "JAVA_HOME"
[03:50] <James147> DasKreech: actually no, both commands will fail :) cd /etc; grep -r "JAVA_HOME" .    << need the . :)  or just do "grep -r 'JAVA_HOME' /etc"
[03:51] <DasKreech> James147: I didn't get the cd in the first placee :)
[03:51] <DasKreech> never understand why people do that
[03:51]  * James147 needs to go to sleep, he isnt thinking stright
[03:52] <James147> DasKreech: I generally avoid it when giving commands, makes it less error prone. Just wasnt thinking today
[03:52] <juacom99> i foiunf it it was on /etc/environment
[03:52] <juacom99> *i Found it
[03:52] <juacom99> thanks guys
[03:52] <James147> hmm, was expecting /etc/profile.d/*
[03:52] <DasKreech> juacom99: Ah good find. now I need to see when that gets called
[03:53] <juacom99> i'll move it to /etc/profile
[03:54] <juacom99> is the pleace where is supouse to be isn't it?
[03:54] <DasKreech> Would have bet that's sourced in /etc/profile
[03:54] <DasKreech> juacom99: No It's correct where it is
[03:55] <juacom99> ok so /etc/enviroment is call from /etc/profile ?
[03:55] <James147> DasKreech: according to mine: # This file is parsed by pam_env module
[03:56]  * James147 notes he is currently on archlinux so it might vary... but he dosnt see why
[03:57] <juacom99> James147: i only got 2 lines on /etc/enviroment
[03:57] <juacom99> PATH=<<some path here>>
[03:57] <juacom99> JAVA_HOME=<<The path to java home here>>
[03:58] <juacom99> tot even with export :|
[03:58] <juacom99> *not
[03:58] <James147> juacom99: because it isnt a shell script
[03:59] <juacom99> is just a plain text where it get the enviroment so he can export it?
[04:00] <James147> juacom99: from what i can tell its a config to define enviroment varibale that pam_env reads
[04:00] <juacom99> cool i didn't know that
[04:01] <juacom99> well i got to go to sleep now, thank you bouth again for the help
[04:01] <James147> yey, "find: File system loop detected; `/var/lib/btrfs/root/__active' is part of the same file system loop as `/'."  gota love btrfs :D
[04:02] <juacom99> cya
[04:02] <DasKreech> Bye
[04:02] <DasKreech> James147: It's mounted itself below itself?
[04:02] <James147> DasKreech: yeah :D
[04:03] <DasKreech> By default?
[04:03] <James147> DasKreech: its intentional, btrfs can define subvolumes and mount them where it wants
[04:04] <James147> DasKreech: ^^ not really... but its the default layout for most distros that support btrfs: /dev/sda contains __active and __snapshot (__active being a subvolume that contains the root)
[04:04] <DasKreech> ah
[04:04] <James147> and then you mount /dev/sda subvol __active as root and /dev/sda to somewhere in taht :D
[04:05] <James147> that way you can snapshot your root easly
[04:05] <James147> ^^ that is default if you pick it as the root fs
[04:06] <DasKreech> so when you reference /dev/sda what are you pointing at?
[04:07] <James147> DasKreech: btrfs has a default subvol you can set (mine is unset atm, so the root of the filesystem)
[04:07] <James147> DasKreech: but it has the mount option "subvol=XXX" where XXX is a subvolume if you want to moutn that subvolume
[04:08] <James147> (also subvolid to reference them by their id, root is always 0 )
[04:12] <James147> DasKreech: o and I should probally note that my btrfs volumes arnt inside a partition, they are  writen directly on the disk (so to /dev/sdX rather then /dev/sdXY  ^^ though you can use a partition table if you want)
[04:12] <DasKreech> GPT?
[04:13] <James147> (and currently raid1ed across two disks)
[04:13] <James147> DasKreech: no, no partition table at all, but you can use gpt or modos tables if you want
[04:13] <James147> (I was just feeling adventrous when I set this up :D  )
[04:15]  * James147 notes that linux dosnt really `need` a partition table... they are just conveint for splitting up the disk
[04:15] <DasKreech> I knw
[04:15] <James147> ^^ well except for maby the bootloader... think that needs a partition table
[04:16] <DasKreech> Just easier for recovery
[04:16] <James147> DasKreech: thats what the raid1 is for :D
[04:16] <DasKreech> Hardware RAID?
[04:16] <James147> DasKreech: btrfs raid
[04:17] <DasKreech> ha ha And if the Mobo fails?
[04:17] <James147> DasKreech: motherboard? then i cry and buy a new computer
[04:18] <James147> move the disks and boot
[04:18] <DasKreech> Recover the RAID from Live CD?
[04:18] <James147> DasKreech: dont need to if mobo fails... jsut move the disks and boot :)
[04:19] <James147> DasKreech: if one drive fails then i can replace it easy enough
[04:20] <James147> DasKreech: and livecds should be able to read btrfs raid well enough...
[04:20] <James147> assuming they have support for it
[04:20] <DasKreech> James147: Think most do
[04:21] <James147> these days they should
[04:21] <James147> though with brtfs being quite new grabbing a livecd with the latest btrfs tools would be a good idea
[04:22] <James147> which remindes me, i really need to get me usb install of arch working so i can use it as an uptodate vustamisable revocery disk :)
[04:26] <DasKreech> Lay off the Vodca
[04:26] <James147> ^^
[04:47] <ibyte8bits> exit
[06:00] <Firefishe> hat is the name of the plasmoid widget, similar to Folder View, that let's you see a list of folders, and an open button in the top part of the widget's menu?  Quick Access or something?
[06:00] <Firefishe> hat=what
[06:07] <Shaan7> Firefishe: yes Quick Access
[06:07] <Firefishe> Shaan7: Does it have  a source file?
[06:08] <Shaan7> kernelpanic: i remember finding it on kde-look.org
[06:08] <Shaan7> kernelpanic: sorry
[06:08] <Firefishe> or can I download it from kdelook?
[06:08] <Shaan7> Firefishe: ^
[06:13] <Firefishe> Shaan7: I found it.
[06:14] <Shaan7> cool :)
[07:19] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, how would I create an SQL Database for Amarok?
[07:20] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: if you are going to use external database (which you don't need to), amarok does give the instructions
[07:21] <LINKSWORD2> Ok. Are there any free hosts for an SQL database?
[07:22] <Tm_T> why you want to run the database elsewhere than in your computer?
[07:23] <LINKSWORD2> I'd like to have an assured backup of my music... Something that doesn't get erased if I have to reinstall Kubuntu on this computer.
[07:25] <sehven> hi
[07:25] <sehven> what causes can't open /dev/sr0: no medium found?
[07:25] <sehven> i already tried disabling floopy from bios
[07:25] <Shaan7> sehven: faulty CD/DVD drive
[07:26] <sehven> oh
[07:26] <sehven> but why run at first then not at reboot?
[07:26] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: the music files don't get stored to the database
[07:26] <sehven> btw im running it on a thumbdrive
[07:26] <Shaan7> thats weird, yep
[07:26] <LINKSWORD2> OK, then what DOES get stored?
[07:26] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: only the metadata (what is played and when, ratings etc) ... and that can be saved along the files
[07:27] <Shaan7> LINKSWORD2: MySQL will cry for help if you store actual music in it :P
[07:27] <Tm_T> amarok's database IMHO is quite disposable
[07:27] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[07:27]  * Shaan7 goes for lunch
[07:27] <LINKSWORD2> OK, I see that. Is there some way I can store my music separate from my computer... Other than BS databases like Google Music?
[07:27] <sehven> bummer already installed fluendo but amarok crashes T_T
[07:28] <sehven> how about store it in another comp? access it via network
[07:28] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: ubuntuone?
[07:29] <LINKSWORD2> What is that? ;/
[07:29] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: or any external storage you have access to
[07:29] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: https://one.ubuntu.com/
[07:31] <LINKSWORD2> Ok, I'll check that out.
[07:33] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: wouldn't external hard-drive do the job well?
[07:33] <LINKSWORD2> Yes, except for the fact that I store more sensitive data on externals. I'm an IT specialist.
[07:37] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: you can do that with your music files too
[07:38] <LINKSWORD2> Actually, I cannot do that, due to the sensitive nature of the other data on the external drives.
[07:41] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: use other external drive then, or whatever works for you, as a specialist you should know (:
[07:41] <sehven> get a new external :)
[07:41] <LINKSWORD2> .... -_-
[07:43] <Tm_T> LINKSWORD2: basically, any solution that allows you access external files does work for Amarok: ssh, ftp, smb, ... pretty much everything
[07:45] <pro7o13x> hey all...got 12.04 installed, trying to find the GUI program for installing programs, but it either isn't installed or changed names...anyone know?
[07:47] <Tm_T> !precise | pro7o13x
[07:47] <LINKSWORD2> pro7o13x: 12 is only the next step up from the 11 series. The package manager they started using in 11 is called Muon.
[07:47] <pro7o13x> yeah...not finding it
[07:48] <pro7o13x> must not be installed
[07:50] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm.... Well, I have not experimented with 12 yet. My computer is an old Compaq from 2003, which doesn't seem to like anything above Kubuntu 11.04.
[07:53] <Tm_T> pro7o13x: to get support for 12.04, please use #ubuntu+1
[08:12] <LINKSWORD2> I've only recently updated my software, and I have a new app called Nepomuk....  :P
[08:14] <LINKSWORD2> The number one way to piss me off is to treat me like I'm an idiot....
[08:14] <Shaan7> ah ok ;) well nepomuk has been there since years now
[08:14] <bazhang> !find nepomuk
[08:15] <LINKSWORD2> This computer has been around for years, but hasn't been running for a while...
[08:15] <LINKSWORD2> As I said. I've only recently updated it.
[08:16] <bazhang> http://userbase.kde.org/Nepomuk  <---- LINKSWORD2
[08:16] <LINKSWORD2> Bazinga? :P
[08:17] <Shaan7> LINKSWORD2: exactly, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d41bmTSogA4
[08:18] <LINKSWORD2> Konqueror: Your flash player is out of date!
[08:18] <LINKSWORD2> Yep. My old computer is that lame.
[08:31] <pro7o13x> crap..can't remember getting late...where is the setting in dolphin to make it inline rename instead of opening a new window?
[08:33] <Shaan7> pro7o13x: configure dolpgin > general
[08:33] <Shaan7> *dolphin
[08:34] <pro7o13x> thats what I thought....hmm now where did it move to in KDE4.8
[08:55] <poteron> Some issues after upgrading to Kubuntu 11.10 from 11.04.
[08:55] <poteron> Sound is gone.
[08:56] <poteron> Slide show screen saver setup no longer opens.
[08:59] <pro7o13x> upgrade or fresh install?
[09:00] <pro7o13x> try reinstalling phonon?
[09:01] <poteron> Sound back after deleting ~/.pulse
[09:02] <pro7o13x> nice
[09:03] <poteron> How is one supposed to test the mic through phonon Sound and Video configuration?
[09:03] <poteron> Will it start recording when I hit test?
[09:11] <super_> hello
[09:12] <super_> how i can use nokia pc suite  in kubuntu please
[09:19] <Shaan7> super_: nokia pc suite doesnt have a linux version
[09:19] <Shaan7> what exactly do you want to do?
[09:19] <super_> i need reset  6300
[09:20] <Shaan7> ah i guess for that phone you gotta use pc suite on windose
[09:20] <super_> okey thanks
[09:22] <super_> what about flash player for kubuntu?
[09:23] <jtheuer> Hi, any idea how I can get sending emails working? In "akonadiconsole" the mail dispatcher shows up as "Offline, Broken" - any chance of finding more detailed information?
[09:35] <poteron> Deleting ~/.pulse fixed both audio output and recording in Skype.  There are gazillion devices to choose from, which is a bit confusing.
[09:37] <poteron> Slide show screen saver no longer works properly after 11.04->11.10 upgrade.  The setup does not open.
[09:37] <poteron> Might be user specific, have not tested yet with a new user...
[09:37] <poteron> But how to fix it for existing users?
[10:29] <john____> re
[10:47] <Linux_Jones> how can i make a bootable usb drive from an iso?
[10:47] <haygus> Hi, I want to use a proxy with my kubuntu, how can I do it ?
[10:47] <haygus> I came back
[10:47] <haygus> s/a/o
[10:53] <hateball> Linux_Jones: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[10:53] <Shaan7> hateball: use system settings > network configuration
[10:54] <hateball> Linux_Jones: You have Under Kicker -> System -> Create bootdisk
[10:54] <Shaan7> "Ct
[10:54] <Shaan7> oops sorry
[10:56] <haygus> I think my proxy is configured
[10:56] <haygus> and the systemm too, but I want to wget something does not work
[10:56] <Linux_Jones> hateball: thats not what im doing though, im trying to fix windows for a friend, downloaded an iso for windows 7 but the usb creator wont recognize the iso
[10:56] <Shaan7> haygus: ah yea for wget you gotta do "export http_proxy=http://server:port"
[10:57] <haygus> oh thank you
[10:57] <haygus> I did it
[10:57] <Shaan7> Linux_Jones: yea it wont work for windows
[10:57] <hateball> Linux_Jones: Oh that's probably a different beast altogether. I've not had the displeasure of trying to use Windows isos
[10:57] <Shaan7> Linux_Jones: USB Creator in the menu only works with *buntu images.
[10:57] <haygus> Shaan7: I have this : export "HTTP_PROXY=host:port
[10:57] <haygus> (with http
[10:58] <Shaan7> haygus: i guess only smaller case http_proxy will work
[10:58] <Linux_Jones> any ideas?
[10:58] <apachepanda> linux is case sensitive after all :)
[10:59] <haygus> Shaan7: I come back
[10:59] <Shaan7> Linux_Jones: there should be windows tools to do that, google for it
[10:59] <Shaan7> hateball: ?
[10:59] <Shaan7> hateball: sorry
[11:00] <Linux_Jones> ha ha,  the other problem is that i only have this linux box laptop to work on it
[11:01] <haygus> I have to close and open my session
[11:01] <haygus> is it opssible to reconfig the network ?
[11:06] <haygus> oh bad
[11:06] <haygus> If i do wget url it works
[11:07] <Shaan7> haygus: add it to your .bashrc
[11:07] <haygus> if : sudo wget url doesn't work
[11:07] <haygus> I did in /etc/profile
[11:07] <Shaan7> haygus: yea for sudo, I have to workaround, do sudo su first, then export, finally wget
[11:08] <haygus> everytime I need to sudo ?
[11:08] <Shaan7> yeah if you want to do sudo wget, thats how to get it working
[11:08] <Shaan7> for normal wget, you dont need to do that
[11:08] <haygus> but I need for apt-get update...
[11:09] <Shaan7> yea exactly
[11:09] <haygus> how can I save the export for everytime ?
[11:09] <Shaan7> no idea
[11:09] <Shaan7> maybe bashrc for root?
[11:09] <Shaan7> guessing ..
[11:11]  * Shaan7 has to go
[11:11] <haygus> thank you
[11:12] <elf_> ghb
[11:12] <elf_> привет
[11:24] <goekhan> hello
[11:24] <goekhan> i successfully build a program (texstudio) from source
[11:25] <goekhan> how do i add the built executable to my programs?
[11:26] <goekhan> i tried simply copying into usr/bin
[11:27] <goekhan> but i wonder how do i put it into my start menu
[11:29] <hateball> goekhan: Rightclick it, Edit programs
[11:30] <hateball> The rest should be quite straightforward
[11:33] <goekhan> thanks hateball ! :-)
[11:34] <goekhan> hateball: thanks
[11:34] <hateball> goekhan: :)
[11:45] <qbit> I currently have ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa configured as a repository from which I (sometime ago) pulled KDE 4.7.4. I am considering to add or switch to ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backportsfor KDE 4.8
[11:45] <qbit> if I do this I should disable the first repo right? Or can I wait and KDE 4.8 will eventually be moved here?
[11:51] <Tm_T> qbit: no need to disable the other repository. and KDE sc 4.8 will be eventually land to ubuntu-backports
[11:53] <qbit> Thanks - didn't know for sure if I should update to KDE 4.8 with both enabled at same time
[11:53] <kaddi> hi, anybody know how to install amazon mp3 downloader on a current ubuntu install? They only have a version for 8.10, which obviously breaks when you try to install it on 11.10
[11:56] <Tm_T> kaddi: no idea, but could you try amarok?
[11:56] <kaddi> na, you need that to download the songs from amazon, not to listen to them
[11:57] <Tm_T> kaddi: I assume Amarok can download them too
[11:57] <kaddi> they don't have DRM on their songs (which I applaude) so they use that application to make sure you're the one to buying them
[11:58] <Tm_T> but yeh, only option I know is Amarok, just make sure you have the latest release (:
[11:58] <kaddi> which is?
[11:58] <kaddi> i have 2.4.3
[11:58] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-25-backports-ppa
[12:00] <kaddi> how would I go about to only get amarok from the backports ppa?
[12:00] <kaddi> i don't exactly want to update kde entirely
[12:01] <Tm_T> add the repository, update package lists, install amarok, remove the repository, update package lists, done
[12:05] <kaddi> it kinda sucks that all major software companies rely on the linux community building their own support system instead of just updating their tools regularly as they do for windows and OSX
[12:05] <kaddi> 8.10 has been end of life since forever
[12:05] <kaddi> they must not have touched that installer since 2008
[12:09] <kaddi> ok, so what do i do then once i have the amz file to make amazon download it?
[12:11] <kaddi> Tim_T?
[12:28] <coder2> Hello
[12:31] <coder2> I'm trying to install kububtu 11.10 on my computer. It is installed, but X do not start. Then I did 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade', then I installed nvidia-current from console. It claimed that there is no environment for building modules.
[12:32] <coder2> Then I did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and finally system started. Anyone experienced such problems?
[12:33] <coder2> Now I'm not able to start software center - it crashes immediately.
[12:34] <coder2> Please help
[12:36] <DoctorPepper> can anyone tell me where  can i  make request for new features
[12:38] <ikonia> DoctorPepper: what sort of thing ?
[12:41] <DoctorPepper> ikonia:  the first feature would be  for appmenu  to  be multiple screen  aware  means   that if i have multiple  screens with  each of them having appmenu  applet running  the  appmenu of screen 1 has the menu of the app running on screen one   and so on
[12:56] <PaulIIIIIIII> what do yo think when in the forest meets mans grownup triplets width man who have one testicle
[12:58] <ikonia> DoctorPepper: that's something you'd need to talk to KDE about, not ubuntu
[12:58] <ikonia> DoctorPepper: Ubuntu doesn't make KDE, the KDE project does, ubuntu just uses it
[12:59] <DoctorPepper> actually dbusmenu  is a ubuntu project
[13:00] <ikonia> DoctorPepper: I thought you where talking about the kde application menu
[13:00] <ikonia> if it's an ubuntu application log a bug on launchpad.net and mark it as "wish list" and put the details in
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:18] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning BluesKaj  hows the coffee today
[13:22] <BluesKaj> VG , thanks mydogsnameisrudy , it helps get me moving
[13:23] <BluesKaj> to
[13:25] <BluesKaj> mydogsnameisrudy,  how are you doing today?
[13:25] <mydogsnameisrudy> good heading for my 3rd cup right now
[13:25] <BluesKaj> :)
[13:30] <BluesKaj> running KDE 4.8 on 12.04 here , all seems well except for some minor (to me at least) crashes in system settings locale , otherwise very solid so far
[13:32] <BluesKaj> gotta reboot ..brb
[13:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> i tryed 12.04 gnome left it for mint11 kde
[13:33] <BluesKaj> gnome ... not my cuppa tea, unity isn't either
[13:33] <mydogsnameisrudy> used gnome for a long time but unity is killing me
[13:47] <Squidy> hello.. is there a ppa for installing kde telepathy 0.3 in kubuntu?
[13:48] <Peace-> Squidy: i guess no
[13:48] <Peace-> Squidy: there is for telephaty 0.2
[13:48] <Peace-> and so... it will be upgraded when they will do the package
[13:49] <Squidy> Peace-: ok.. I'm going to wait then..
[13:49] <Squidy> thx
[14:20] <Smith_> I have little problem when I restart ubuntu, it checks my filesystem everytime. How can i force check it once.
[14:20] <James147> Smith_: boot a live cd and play with fsck
[14:21] <James147> (you should not fsck a mounted drive)
[14:22] <Smith_> how will I do it Thanks
[14:25] <Smith_> how can i permanently skip disk check on restart
[14:26] <naftilos76> hi everyone, i have installed KDE 4.8 and i can see that virtuoso-t is keep the CPU about 50% busy. Is this normal?
[14:26] <naftilos76> is keeping
[14:27] <Smith_> naftilos: what about your hardware
[14:33] <naftilos76> My CPU is a Quad Q9550 2.83GHz, GPU is GeForce 9600 GT, Sound HW is Nvidia MCP51 High Definition Audio, 4GB RAM
[14:33] <naftilos76> Smith_?
[14:33] <James147> naftilos76: he left
[14:34] <naftilos76> Smith_: I have never experienced this problem before! Oh, sorry i didn't notice :-)
[14:34] <James147> naftilos76: is you system currently indexing files?
[14:34] <James147> if it is then thats expected, if not then thats not exepected
[14:35] <naftilos76> i have suspended momentarily the indexing but the CPU keeps being as busy as before
[14:36] <naftilos76> i have just suspended Nepomuk
[14:36] <naftilos76> the CPU is still at 30-40% busy
[14:36] <naftilos76> i can see via 'top' that virtuoso-t is keeping the CPU busy
[14:36] <naftilos76> what is it doing?
[14:38] <naftilos76> has anybody else had any issues with virtuoso since last upgrade to KDE 4.8?
[14:38] <naftilos76> anyone?
[14:38] <James147> naftilos76: suspose to be indexing... not sure how reliably the stop function is atm :S ... try killing it anad see what ahppens
[14:39] <naftilos76> is virtuoso related to nepomuk? i do not know
[14:39] <naftilos76> if it is then maybe it is still doing something even when suspende
[14:43] <naftilos76> everytime i upgrade KDE something is wrong
[14:49] <pawiecki> hello :) I've got a question. Why when i do "sudo <something>" my password is correct, but when i want to do "su" it's incorrect?
[14:52] <pawiecki> it gives: "su: Authentication failure"
[14:53] <Torch> pawiecki: that's because su requires the root password while sudo asks for your user password
[14:53] <Torch> pawiecki: there is no root password set per default in kubuntu. but you can set one by sudo-ing to root and running passwd
[14:55] <pawiecki> Torch: ok, thanks :)
[14:58] <pawiecki> is stable kde 4.8 in repos already?
[14:58] <naftilos76> i have a problem with virtuoso-t. it keeps CPU busy
[14:58] <Shaan7> ppa backports
[14:59] <Shaan7> pawiecki: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.0
[14:59] <naftilos76> it will probably be fixed in the next updates
[14:59] <James147> pawiecki: though it is not recomended to set a root password, you should be able to use sudo for evertthing
[14:59] <pawiecki> James147: why?
[15:00] <James147> pawiecki: most automated attacks go agienst weak root password... not haing one makes all these attack fail before they have even started :)
[15:00] <pawiecki> didn't know that :)
[15:01] <James147> pawiecki: and there is little point in having a root password when you can use sudo to gain root access (sudo -i  can be used instead of su -)
[15:01] <pawiecki> but as far as i remember in Fedora su -c is used for many things
[15:01] <rocketfish2> how can i get linux to use my rocketfish 3.5 usb drive ? it sees everything but the hard drive inside. windows can completely use the rocketfish external harddrive. i have linux 11.10. what can i do ?
[15:01] <James147> pawiecki: that means run the follow command as loged in as root, this is what sudo was designed for
[15:02] <James147> pawiecki: you should be able to use "sudo command" where you use to use "su -c command"
[15:03] <James147> pawiecki: the only difference is you use your user password rather then root
[15:04] <rocketfish2> will i have to use windows if i wanmt to use my external drive?
[15:04] <rocketfish2> want*
[15:05] <pawiecki> so basically su -c is the same as sudo, but uses root's password when sudo uses user's one, right?
[15:05] <James147> pawiecki: basically
[15:06] <pawiecki> then what's the point of having "su"? :)
[15:06] <rocketfish2> has an y body ever had this kind of problem ?
[15:07] <rocketfish2> the less you allow root access, the better, i suspect pawiecki
[15:07] <James147> pawiecki: you can loginto other users with it... (though you can with sudo as well)... basicaly its there because its a standard application that part of basically every linux systen
[15:08] <rocketfish2> even in diskutility, it says the drive is no partitioned, it is though. when i attempt to set up the drive, disk utility says it does not exist...
[15:09] <pawiecki> rocketfish2: i didn't ever had any troubles with external drives under Linux. Is it external hard disk plugged via USB? Maybe the problem is in the ACPI or power issues
[15:09] <Shaan7> rocketfish2: check your dmesg output
[15:10] <rocketfish2> Shaan7: ok, i typed dmesg in a terminal. what am i looking for ?
[15:11] <rocketfish2> pawiecki: how could i check for ACPI issues ?
[15:11] <Shaan7> rocketfish2: insert drive, wiat 4-5 secs, run dmesg, see if shows some errors in the ~10 lines at the bottom
[15:11] <rocketfish2> Shaan7: ok
[15:11] <Shaan7> rocketfish2: it says something like this when i plug in mine http://pastebin.com/cpLsmTie
[15:12] <BluesKaj> rocketfish2,  what brand external is it ?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> oh rocketfish2 , ok
[15:13] <rocketfish2> BluesKaj: it is a rocketfish usb 3.0 3.5 inch usb external hard drive enclosure.
[15:13] <rocketfish2> the number 2 was assigned to my nick because rocktfish was already taken
[15:13] <rocketfish2> Shaan7: im checking
[15:14]  * BluesKaj wonders if an esata drive would be more recognizable
[15:14] <Shaan7> BluesKaj: well USB should run without any issues
[15:15] <pawiecki> how to make that blue text? :)
[15:16] <BluesKaj> Shaan7,  yes agreed , but I've seen these external usb drive recognition and permission probs before and they can be very puzzling
[15:16] <rocketfish2> pawiecki: /me
[15:16]  * pawiecki test
[15:16] <rocketfish2> Shaan7: i found this >  sd 12:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[15:16] <Shaan7> rocketfish2: hmm, now google for that and see if you can find something
[15:16] <rocketfish2> Shaan7: then three >rejecting I/O to offline device
[15:17] <rocketfish2> Shaan7: and a > READ CAPACITY failed
[15:17] <rocketfish2> Shaan7: then >  Result: hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK
[15:17] <BluesKaj> rocketfish2,  is it ntfs formatted or fat32?
[15:18] <rocketfish2> and basicly io rejection and some other studff about assumming
[15:18] <Shaan7> BluesKaj: from what errors he is getting, its not a partitioning problem at all
[15:18] <Shaan7> BluesKaj: something to do with the enclouse and the linux usb storage drivers
[15:19] <rocketfish2> BluesKaj: it once had my personal data on it, i thought it was corrupt when i first encountered this problem... i have reformated sence then from windows...
[15:19] <rocketfish2> for trouble shooting
[15:19] <Shaan7> rocketfish2: hmm so some time back it did work on linux?
[15:21] <rocketfish2> yeah, i had a cheap external drive kit, no caSE, a usb cable that plugged directly into the drive itself and a power supply that did the same.. it flaked out ... so i got this rocket fish and put the drive inside. all was good again, i had thoght the cheap device corrupted my data... turnes out it was a problem with linux, i updated (complete reinstall) linux to 11.10.. and now i am here
[15:22] <rocketfish2> i used it for a long time with a cheap case and card board box to protect the drive
[15:22] <Shaan7> rocketfish2: hmm tbh you can try googling with those errors and see if you can find something
[15:22] <Shaan7> issues like these are pretty hard to debug at times
[15:23] <Shaan7> i once had a seagate hdd which wont on linux on my laptop, worked on windows. And, it worked on same linux on everybody else's computer :P
[15:25] <SIQKO> have basic questions, anybody there for help
[15:25] <rocketfish2> Shaan7: yeah, i "googled" Device offlined - not ready after error recovery and have a some pages up and reading...
[15:25] <pawiecki> ask your question
[15:26] <rocketfish2> thanks every one
[15:26] <BluesKaj> I was looking at a Fantom 1.5 esata/usb drive for this media server ...runining out of room
[15:26] <SIQKO> the cooler is making over working
[15:27] <SIQKO> sry
[15:28] <SIQKO> i couldn't made my self clear
[15:28] <SIQKO> it is over working it's making that noise
[15:29] <SIQKO> thought that an ongoing process it's is overloading the CPU
[15:30] <Shaan7> SIQKO: dont guess, see the system monitor and check if thats actually the case
[15:30] <SIQKO> probably a bug or somthin, is there anything i can do to detect that at
[15:31] <SIQKO> yeah but what if it is not obvious
[15:32] <SIQKO> i tired ps auxf | sort ..etc, at the top of the list was the borwser so ... plugins, or ....
[15:33] <bretzel> What the hell ???? We're in year 2012 and Ubuntu's ncurses still show (NCURSES_MOUSE_VERSION ) == 1 ???????????? MUST BE at least  2!  Maybe it's just a fan thing
[15:37] <SIQKO> ok trying
[15:37] <qbit> SIQKO: couple of things I've seen peg cpu: acroread gets stuck if you've opened a pdf in a browser tab
[15:38] <qbit> in top you would see this at 100% cpu on the top line if it happened
[15:38] <SIQKO> i cannot stand the loud cooler noise it's not pleasant at all with this os
[15:39] <pawiecki> have to go, bye all
[15:39] <qbit> the other thing I had happen once a while ago was desktop search indexing needed to get turned off
[15:39] <SIQKO> thnx a lot
[15:39] <bretzel> pawleeq: heheh thanks for the hint, it is nice :-)
[15:40] <qbit> if you're on KDE 4.7.4 or earlier you can disable strigi easily without having to turn off nepomuk
[15:41] <Tm_T> bretzel: language, please
[15:41] <bretzel> peace_: About ncurses, I don't know about any bug. I've encountered no probs ( using ncurses in ArchLinux for example, they provide binary ncurses with version 2 ) ...
[15:42] <bretzel> Tm_T: Sorry I will no do it again :-)
[15:42] <Tm_T> bretzel: also if you want something to be done to ncurses packaging, complaining here won't help you at all (;
[15:43]  * bretzel I apoligize for my mad words -
[15:43] <bretzel> bad *
[15:43] <Tm_T> !bugs | bretzel fill bug report instead, and provide as much details as possible, in a well-constructed, polite way (;
[15:44] <peace_> bretzel: for your machine
[15:44] <SIQKO> why there isn't a sofvare that stops un necessary CPU ussage ?
[15:45] <bretzel> Don't know if filling a bug is the right way, because it is not related to bug, but a feature.
[15:46] <Tm_T> bretzel: bug, feature request, they all go thru same system
[15:47] <SIQKO> how do you mostly deal with bugs
[15:48] <bretzel> Anyway, sorry again (for my `corse?` language) . Have a good day -- I have to return to code :-) ( I notice the suggestion to the Ubuntu's bug system )
[15:57] <pangolin> Anybody else having issues getting past the kubuntu splash screen with the latest kernel update on 11.10?
[15:58] <SIQKO> ok if the system monitor dosen't show a problem but still the cpu over loaded what to do than
[16:00] <SIQKO> at least anybody plz tell me what it might be so i don't lose time looking for the wrong remedy
[16:00] <Tm_T> how you measure the cpu-usage?
[16:00] <SIQKO> top
[16:00] <SIQKO> htop
[16:01] <Tm_T> and you see cpu-usage being 100% while processes don't take cpu much?
[16:01] <Tm_T> or along those lines
[16:01] <SIQKO> ps auxf | sort  -nr -k3  | head -10 etc etc
[16:02] <SIQKO> yeah and plus the cooler runs more than it was suppose to
[16:03] <Tm_T> SIQKO: see wha iotop -o says
[16:03] <ScottyK> On my kids linux box, ,my boy somehow crashed the plasma desktop, leaving a black screen. I can alt-F2 to get to a konsole. What is the command to restart the computer from a user?
[16:03] <ScottyK> reboot doesn't work because he isn't admin
[16:03] <Tm_T> ScottyK: krunner works? write "restart" there?
[16:03] <SIQKO> and there is my browser at the top of the list and unnecessarily using the CPU
[16:03] <ScottyK> TM_T - I'll check
[16:04] <Tm_T> SIQKO: try
[16:04] <SIQKO> ??
[16:04] <Tm_T> SIQKO: if the browser is using much of io (per iotop -o), try if closing it makes any difference
[16:05] <SIQKO> already did
[16:05] <SIQKO> it makes
[16:05] <Tm_T> there's the cause then? (:
[16:05] <ScottyK> Tm_t - no go.
[16:06] <Tm_T> ScottyK: all those logout/restart/shutdown/etc actions should be available thru krunner (alt+f2)
[16:06] <Tm_T> so, they don't appear there, or they appear but don't work?
[16:06] <SIQKO> cookies and plugins might be eating my CPU
[16:06] <Tm_T> SIQKO: cookies don't eat cpu
[16:06] <SIQKO> why ?
[16:06] <ScottyK> I'll type "restart", and I can see some options, but the process window is partly blocking it, and I can't move it.
[16:06] <ScottyK> pulled up a window to configre the shutdown process
[16:07] <Tm_T> cookies are just small text files, to make oversimplify (:
[16:07] <Tm_T> ScottyK: "restart" here does offer "restart the computer" as the first option, hmmm
[16:07] <Tm_T> ScottyK: try launching plasma-desktop?
[16:07] <ScottyK> Yeah, I think he borked something!
[16:08] <ScottyK> how about just logging off a user from command line?
[16:08] <SIQKO> acctually one of tham probably is overloading my cpu
[16:08] <SIQKO> it is irrelevant whether cookies or plugins
[16:09] <qbit> SIQKO:  when you run top in konsole is the line at the very top of the list showing you anything at 100% CPU use?
[16:09] <SIQKO> nop
[16:09] <ScottyK> TM-T - that did it! restarting plasma at least pulled up the option to log off. then from the user window I was able to restart it. thanks! Didn't want to just hit hte reset button
[16:09] <Tm_T> qbit: if it's IO causing the cpu load, no process would appear taking cpu as the IO is keeping the cpu busy (:
[16:10] <Tm_T> ScottyK: np
[16:11] <SIQKO> no 100 % usage so what >
[16:11] <qbit> another question I had does the fan run fast all the time no matter what
[16:12] <SIQKO> yep
[16:12] <qbit> maybe it wasn't set to throttle down in BIOS
[16:12] <SIQKO> i dn think so
[16:13] <SIQKO> i use the same os with a different conn
[16:13] <SIQKO> look to be honest it is not running that fast at all but even slightly should be acceptable with this os ... right
[16:14] <rocketfish2> ok, one of the suggestions to my problem was to set delay_use . the new problem is i am unable to alter this setting even when logged in as root... what can i do ? is there a utility to change usb drive settings ?
[16:15] <SIQKO> before i have intalled  a browser and few feautures of it, you won't notice if the nb was on
[16:16] <rocketfish2> sometimes, linux is weak.
[16:16] <SIQKO> whaat?
[16:17] <qbit> sometimes after a year the heat sink needs the dust blown out of it too  :-)
[16:17] <rocketfish2> huh ?
[16:17] <SIQKO> oh comone it happends only after i open the browser
[16:18] <SIQKO> i don't think the probl is physical nor techinal there is a plugin somewhere messing with my CPU and i hate it
[16:19] <qbit> which browser are we talking about?
[16:19] <SIQKO> mhhh
[16:19] <SIQKO> opera and ff
[16:19] <rocketfish2> opera is junk
[16:19] <SIQKO> then I uninstalled the first one
[16:19] <qbit> well disable all of extensions and plugins
[16:20] <SIQKO> oh man where where you earlier
[16:20] <qbit> then turn them back on one at a time until the problem happens
[16:20] <SIQKO> how shall i do that
[16:22] <qbit> well in firefox ctrl-shift-a (or the Add-ons selection under the Toold menu)
[16:22] <SIQKO> waiting .... i got to solv this i just can't this no longer
[16:22] <qbit> err Tools menu
[16:22] <SIQKO> yeap
[16:22] <qbit> as far as Opera I don't use
[16:23] <rocketfish2> opera is as fat and useless as opera winfree :p
[16:23] <SIQKO> i have removed it
[16:23] <SIQKO> Opera i mean
[16:23] <qbit> well under that menu option will open a page where you can disable any extension or plugin you choose
[16:23] <qbit> in Firefox I mean
[16:24] <SIQKO> yep
[16:24] <rocketfish2> chromium or firefox are what i use. i also like safari when i have access to it
[16:24] <rocketfish2> firefox has a safe mode :D
[16:24] <qbit> if you disable them all and restart the browser and the problem is gone it confirms it's a plugin or an extension
[16:24] <SIQKO> chromium ? got one
[16:24] <rocketfish2> huh ?
[16:25] <SIQKO> right now
[16:25] <mozzy> Midori is nice
[16:25] <rocketfish2> its the browser google ripped for their Chrome browser
[16:25] <mozzy> just lean and fast
[16:25] <SIQKO> thats what i need
[16:25] <rocketfish2> i need to adjust my usb delay_use setting :(
[16:25] <SIQKO> what is worng with the browsers this days
[16:25] <mozzy> try Midori, it doesnt have as many bells and whistles as firefox but its quick and light
[16:26] <mozzy> good on systems with low ram too
[16:26] <mozzy> just a suggestion
[16:27] <rocketfish2> fire fox claims to be racing to keep up with some other browser..
[16:27] <rocketfish2> firefox has had issues with massive memory consumtion
[16:27] <SIQKO> that's the purpose of it right after being lunched
[16:27] <mozzy> ya
[16:28] <mozzy> and every major version they say they fixed the mem consumption problem lol
[16:28] <mozzy> its still me fav browser but it sure gets hungry
[16:29] <mozzy> if you got the gigs mem its not much of a impact on the system
[16:29] <mozzy> mems cheap these days
[16:30] <rocketfish2> also, flash has been known to hog a CPU
[16:30] <SIQKO> absolutely
[16:31] <qbit> my biggest problem was acroread plugin
[16:31] <mozzy> ya, once they switch over to html5, whenever that is, we might be better off
[16:31] <SIQKO> plugin and flash
[16:31] <qbit> it would go zombie, run the fan up and my cpu temp would shoot up 10 degrees C
[16:31] <rocketfish2> does any one know how to alter the usb use delay setting?
[16:31] <qbit> it would even keep doing this after Firefox was closed amd had to be killed manually
[16:31] <rocketfish2> wow
[16:32] <rocketfish2> i like okular :)
[16:32] <SIQKO> dude c'mone
[16:32] <SIQKO> okular
[16:33] <SIQKO> hey what about gkrllm ? does that somehow affects the cpu or memory usage
[16:33] <skaczor> Okular rules! I stay away from acroread unless some retarded org sends me encrypted PDFs of some sort.
[16:33] <qbit> I use gkrellm here and it does OK
[16:33] <rocketfish2> i like okular because it alows for book marks and highlighting
[16:34] <rocketfish2> never heard of gkrllm
[16:34] <qbit> I only have it monitoring CPU/GPU temps and the CPU and case fan speeds, everything else turned off
[16:34] <rocketfish2> oh...
[16:34] <SIQKO> thats all ya need
[16:34] <SIQKO> but it look kinda cool with those plugins
[16:36] <SIQKO> anything else must be awared of cpu usage ?!
[16:36] <SIQKO> and to be avoided since we gott some experience talking here
[16:37] <SIQKO> plz share some hints,tips
[16:38] <qbit> well one of the indicators of the strigi virtuoso-t bug that was around a while back was your .xsession-errors file would grow huge in a short period of time
[16:38] <qbit> I had it happen once it went to 22GB in 12 hrs and filled the OS partition
[16:40] <qbit> installing the sysstat utility would allow you to run the iostat command
[16:41] <qbit> in iostat on the avg-cpu line all the way to the right is a %idle field which should be something like 97%
[16:41] <SIQKO> wow
[16:41] <qbit> this would show you if some kind of io runaway was chewing cpu
[16:42] <SIQKO> this happends when i play a vid on youtube
[16:43] <SIQKO> i don't now why the machine goes crrazy and i just can't stand that its so cruel too mean
[16:43] <rocketfish2> does any body know how to alter the usb delay_use setting ?
[16:44] <qbit> rocketfish2: I don't...
[16:44] <qbit> sorry
[16:44] <rocketfish2> i have a usb drive that is visable and also non existent
[16:44] <SIQKO> make sure that correct modules are loaded
[16:44] <rocketfish2> SIQKO: huh ?
[16:45] <rocketfish2> SIQKO: like, how ?>
[16:45] <qbit> lsmod will give you a complete list
[16:45] <rocketfish2> ok, checking lsmod
[16:45] <SIQKO> go ahead
[16:45] <rocketfish2> qbit: what am i seeking in this list?
[16:46] <qbit> kernel modules
[16:47] <rocketfish2> the device shows up in disk utility
[16:47] <qbit> that's everything loaded because or recognized hardware
[16:48] <qbit> my memory is fuzzy, but I thought at one time or another I had added a couple of usb packages manually myself
[16:49] <qbit> usbutils, usb-modeswitch, usbmount, and friends
[16:49] <SIQKO> if that doesn't work try to modify it manualy
[16:49] <SIQKO> /etc/conf.modules
[16:49] <qbit> one thing I do is use Muon to look at the file list for packages like this for documentation
[16:50] <rocketfish2> dmesg-> reset high speed USB device number 26 using ehci_hcd <next line-->  Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
[16:50] <qbit> then I hunt through the docs looking for what I want
[16:51] <rocketfish2> ill check for usbutils and usbmount and what is friends ? i already have modeswitch
[16:51] <qbit> friends was a stand-in for "whatever else"
[16:51] <rocketfish2> my slah drive works while plugged into the external hard drive
[16:52] <qbit> I've only used usb flash drives; no experience with a usb hard drive
[16:52] <rocketfish2> usbmount is not installed
[16:53] <rocketfish2> slah = flash
[16:53] <rocketfish2> typo
[16:53] <qbit> my flash drives pop up the device notifier and it asks me what I want to do
[16:54] <rocketfish2> installing usbmount, though, my flash drive is automonted any way
[16:54] <qbit> I think possibly usbmount might have been needed for that, I just don't remember what was in the install and/or what I installed myself afterwards
[16:54] <rocketfish2> im removing usbmount then
[16:55] <qbit> well also it won't mount a file system it doesn't recognize
[16:56] <qbit> the way the drive is formatted, configured, partitioned, etc matters
[16:56] <rocketfish2> i do not have a etc/conf. anything
[16:56] <qbit> if the mbr/partition table, etc is wrong somehow it will balk and throw an error
[16:57] <qbit> this happens mostly when trying to use something that was formatted by some weird other software on some othe OS on a different machine
[16:58] <rocketfish2> disk utility does not have trouble seeing it, it complains when i attempt to partition or format it
[16:58] <rocketfish2> ill get the error message..
[16:59] <qbit> I guess I've just been lucky... my stuff just always seemed to work
[17:00] <rocketfish2> Error creating partition table: helper exited with exit code 1: cannot open /dev/sdb: No such device or address
[17:01] <SIQKO> u click the meny and it appears at the top of the screen
[17:01] <rocketfish2> if i could try the delay_use setting change suggested one some web page, it may fix this
[17:02] <SIQKO> happened before but thought it didn't boot properly
[17:03] <SIQKO> i wouldn't consider it even as a probl but it is strange u click the meny down but ut appears at the top
[17:03] <SIQKO> anybody knows the reason ?
[17:04] <SIQKO> it won't appear after restart that is already known but im still curious
[17:06] <SIQKO> imagine u click the right click on a minimazed option and it opens up on the top of the screen
[17:07] <BluesKaj> SIQKO,  something to do with kde resizing bug in kde 4.7.3/4 , it was never resolves afaik , due to the releas of kde 4.7.5 , I think
[17:08] <SIQKO> it won't appear often
[17:08] <BluesKaj> bbl..
[17:08] <SIQKO> that's the second time and hope it won't again
[17:09] <qbit> rocketfish2: this isn't a SanDisk is it?
[17:10] <SIQKO> let's solve this bug
[17:10] <rocketfish2> qbit: yes, the usb flash drive is a scan disk , why ?
[17:10] <SIQKO> anybody familiar with p
[17:10] <rocketfish2> it comes before Q and after O
[17:11] <rocketfish2> like the Q it has a curve and a line
[17:11] <rocketfish2> the O does not share this feature, though there have been rumers about emplimenting a line in the next version of O
[17:12] <qbit> SanDisk needs to either use the sandisk tool or u3-tool to remove it's U3-Launchpad
[17:12] <rocketfish2> it is said the O would not be able to keep its completeness of circle and would be more of an oval or simi-circle if this line feature was implimented
[17:13] <rocketfish2> qbit: , i removed the launchpad long ago... the sandisk has no troubles. i mentioned my flash drive because i can plug it into the usb drive and it works fine from there
[17:13] <qbit> oh OK
[17:16] <qbit> well I'm out of ideas then, and starving to death so I'm gonna go get some lunch
[17:17]  * qbit bbl
[17:19] <rocketfish2> here http://pastebin.com/awgrAY6f
[17:19] <rocketfish2> its dmesg
[17:19] <rocketfish2> :D
[17:24] <rocketfish2>  http://pastebin.com/awgrAY6f <--- help , usb drive rocketfish 3.5 external usb drive can be used by windows and mac, but not linux. linux sees the hard ware and even a usb flash drive plugged into the rocketfish external drive, but accessing the drive fails.
[17:28] <hanasaki> thunderbird just updated to v9 - and it is not compatible with lightning.    is there a build that is compatible?
[17:29] <rocketfish2>  http://pastebin.com/awgrAY6f <--- help , usb drive rocketfish 3.5 external usb drive can be used by windows and mac, but not linux. linux sees the hard ware and even a usb flash drive plugged into the rocketfish external drive, but accessing the drive fails.
[17:29] <BluesKaj> rocketfish2,  lsusb
[17:29] <rocketfish2> oh. you again blues... welcome bac k
[17:30] <BluesKaj> was having lunch
[17:30] <BluesKaj> pastebin lsusb , rocketfish2
[17:31] <rocketfish2> yeah. im on it :) i just learned about pastebin a minute ago
[17:32] <rocketfish2> http://pastebin.com/1gkb07A3
[17:32] <rocketfish2> BluesKaj:
[17:32] <rocketfish2> thanks for looking
[17:35] <BluesKaj> rocketfish2,  now,  df -h
[17:35] <rocketfish2> i am surprised that no one knows how to adjust delay_use for the usb ... i am surprised also, linux does not have a configuration utility for such a thing
[17:36] <rocketfish2> ok,  doing df -h
[17:36] <BluesKaj> rocketfish2,  one thing , if it's a USB2.0 device make sure it's connected the 2.0 port
[17:37] <rocketfish2> http://pastebin.com/mcMGgLbx
[17:38] <rocketfish2> it is a usb 3 device, and this system only has usb 2
[17:38] <rocketfish2> the device is hardware compatable with usb 3 and 2
[17:39] <rocketfish2> like i said, i can plug a usb flash drive into the rocket fish and the flash drive is completely accessable
[17:39] <Torch> rocketfish2: it#
[17:39] <Torch> oops
[17:39] <Torch> rocketfish2: it's a module parameter for the usb storage module
[17:39] <Torch> rocketfish2: these are set when the module is first loaded into the kernel.
[17:40] <rocketfish2> Torch: what can be done ?
[17:41] <rocketfish2> Torch: i have read that a possable salution required the alteration of one of these parameters, though, i am unable to alter them. i do not know how.
[17:41] <Torch> rocketfish2: you can create a file under /etc/modprobe.d and name it e.g. usb-storage.conf. in this file, write the line "options usb-storage delay_use=5" or whatever you want.
[17:41] <rocketfish2> Torch: i will try anything, doing it now
[17:41] <Torch> rocketfish2: iirc the file name does not matter, but should describe what the file is trying to to and probably has to end in .conf
[17:41] <Torch> rocketfish2: also note that this is potentially dangerous.
[17:42] <rocketfish2> Torch: in whjat manner is this dangerous ?
[17:42] <Torch> rocketfish2: making a mistake might in theory prevent your system from booting
[17:42] <Torch> rocketfish2: it also won't hurt to google around a bit about kernel modules, usb-storage and this parameter.
[17:42] <rocketfish2> i have a rescue flash drive that restores grub .
[17:42] <BluesKaj> Torch,  so df -h won't list the device if it's a usb drive , correct ?
[17:43] <Torch> rocketfish2: for this change to take effect, reboot
[17:43] <BluesKaj> I was hoping for sdb/devX
[17:43] <rocketfish2> Torch: what i read was altering the delay_use can potentially fix tis
[17:43] <rocketfish2> BluesKaj:  ?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> err dev/sdbX
[17:44] <Torch> rocketfish2: it might, yes.
[17:45] <rocketfish2> i am not permited to create a document i that folder.. any way to give me root access to it without logging out and in as root?
[17:46] <rocketfish2> Torch:
[17:46] <Torch> rocketfish2: sudo su - on a shell
[17:46] <Torch> rocketfish2: it will ask for your password.
[17:46] <Torch> rocketfish2: then use your favourite command line editor ;-)
[17:46] <Torch> rocketfish2: alternative: use kdesudo kate from a shell, that should work too
[17:48] <BluesKaj> well, now I'm a bit concerned , I'm ordering a Fantom 1.5TB  external for this server , but I plan to use the eSATA option rather than the USB. Hope that makes for easier recognititon
[17:49] <rocketfish2> i just got a phone call, be back in a long time..
[17:49] <rocketfish2> Torch:  thanks
[17:50] <rocketfish2> i used sudo gedit and saved the file to the restricted folder :D
[17:50] <rocketfish2> i have ubuntu .... not kubuntu ;)
[17:51] <SIQKO> the browser is abusing my cpu i caneled it but it still affects it
[17:51] <SIQKO> how do i terminate it
[17:51]  * rocketfish2 is on the phone for perhaps the next couple of hours ..
[17:51] <BluesKaj> rocketfish2,  there are alot of kowlegeable and helpful ppl at #ubuntu , maybe they can help
[17:52] <rocketfish2> i am also in THAT ROOM
[17:52] <rocketfish2> they are helping some one with audio troubles
[17:52]  * rocketfish2 returns to the phone caLL. thanks every one :)
[17:53] <SIQKO> ti says that another process uses it ?
[18:03] <coder2> Hello. Please help me with connecting canon LBP2900. I've done steps according this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CanonCaptDrv190, but cannot get rid of error: Check the DevicePath of /etc/ccpd.conf
[18:03] <coder2> lsmod | grep usblp shows that the module is loaded
[18:04] <BluesKaj> coder2,  is it a printer ?
[18:04] <coder2> BluesKaj: yes
[18:06] <coder2> How to remove those driver completely to try again from scratch? Just uninstalling of debs do not help.
[18:06] <BluesKaj> have you tried the printer wizard in system settings>printer configuration
[18:07] <coder2> BluesKaj: what exactly ?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> kmenu>computer>systemsettings>printerconfiguration
[18:08] <coder2> BluesKaj: and then?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> look for your printer
[18:09] <coder2> New printer->CAPT Printer->[Enter Device URI]. stuck
[18:10] <BluesKaj> if it's properly connected , it should show in local printers
[18:11] <coder2> BluesKaj: Keep in mind: that's Canon - they are hmm.. special guys.
[18:12] <BluesKaj> lsusb in the terminal , it should show up there
[18:12] <SIQKO> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:12] <SIQKO> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[18:13] <SIQKO> why i just can't remove it
[18:13] <peace_> SIQKO:  is another process using it?
[18:13] <SIQKO> how to kill the process wholy
[18:13] <SIQKO> well thnx but how to terminate that
[18:13] <BluesKaj> SIQKO,  do you have a pckage manger open while trying to update in the terminal?
[18:13] <peace_> SIQKO: close every packager manager opened
[18:13] <SIQKO> acctualy im trying to remove it
[18:14] <peace_> leave open only this chat window SIQKO
[18:14] <sithlord48> SIQKO:  sudo killall dpkg from a terminal
[18:14] <peace_> i mean close every program opened less this
[18:14] <SIQKO> but each time i kill it there is some left
[18:14] <peace_> sithlord48: not safe say that ...
[18:14] <BluesKaj> SIQKO, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:14] <peace_> sithlord48: what if dpgk is running ? for example on libc?
[18:15] <peace_> sithlord48: you get a broken system with that command
[18:15] <sithlord48> what if it is.. you need to run configre -a afterwards..
[18:15] <peace_> sithlord48: no.
[18:15] <peace_> sithlord48: if you are installing libc you will broke the system
[18:16] <sithlord48> never had a problem
[18:16] <peace_> sithlord48: because yoi have had that problem doesnt mean that it work for everyone
[18:16] <SIQKO> it is gone thnx ya all
[18:16] <SIQKO> and u know the reason why i removed it
[18:16] <peace_> sithlord48:  btw ... try to reinstall libc and kill dpkg then you will understand
[18:16]  * BluesKaj backs off  ...time to push some snow anyway
[18:17] <BluesKaj> SIQKO,  what did yo do ?
[18:17] <sithlord48> peace_:  just that one package is affected by it ?
[18:17] <peace_> sithlord48:  there are maybe others that are vital for the system
[18:18] <sithlord48> usually it goes like that , muon is doing some crap its locked up .. killall dpkg, then dpkg --configure -a  .
[18:18] <SIQKO> the browser was messing with my CPU
[18:18] <peace_> sithlord48: well .. then try with libc6
[18:18] <sithlord48> peace_:  i will later in a VM .
[18:18] <SIQKO> suggestions for better browsers
[18:18] <sithlord48> chromium
[18:18] <peace_> SIQKO: firefox
[18:19] <sithlord48> rekonq is pretty nice when it behaves itself.
[18:19] <SIQKO> that's what i removed
[18:19] <sithlord48> i've been mostly using chromium when rekonq don't work
[18:19] <sithlord48> i perfer rekonq as its works better w/ kget.
[18:20] <SIQKO> all i was doing was multi tabing and it was fostering the cpu-s workload
[18:22] <SIQKO> the fan was runnig like hell and i didn't like it
[18:23] <SIQKO> this os must work properly not overloaded by the stupid plugins and flashes that a browser would allow
[18:25] <SIQKO> rekonq sounds practical any other ideas
[18:25] <dewar> i used firefox and have had smoth runing with it on linux
[18:25] <dewar> it works better on linux than windows i think
[18:27] <sneakster> Hi
[18:28] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[18:28] <dewar> hello sneakster
[18:31] <sneakster> Stupid question, trying to place a .sh file into usr/bin and getting permission denied, how do I get around that
[18:34] <sneakster> copy and paste from terminal using sudo?
[18:34] <dewar> you need to be in root
[18:34] <dewar> via sudo works
[18:34] <dewar> easier to use -i
[18:35] <symlink_head> День добрый всем. У меня возникла проблема на Kubuntu 11.10 (x64) установленом на VmWare Workstation 8.0.2. Суть проблемы в том что процесс XOrg потребляет очень много ОЗУ. в данный момент система в работе 3 часа а он уже скушал 2.5Гб оперативы
[18:35] <dewar> but dont forget to log out again
[18:35] <dewar> the way i do it, nave to the folder  using dophin
[18:35] <symlink_head> что делать? кто поможет?
[18:35] <dewar> open up the program using kate and the sudo command
[18:35] <symlink_head> установлены драйвера штатные xorg-server-video-vmware
[18:35] <symlink_head> hi
[18:35] <dewar> edit the doc then close up
[18:36] <symlink_head> i have memory leak trouble with xorg
[18:36] <symlink_head> somebody help me
[18:36] <sneakster> kate?
[18:36] <symlink_head> i have Kubuntu 11.10 x64 installed as guest os on Vmware 8.0.2
[18:37] <symlink_head> process xorg takes 2.5gb of RAM
[18:37] <dewar> sneakster:  you can use any of you fav word editors
[18:37] <SIQKO_> bug
[18:37] <symlink_head> who can help me to fix this?
[18:37] <dewar> sneakster:  are you using kde
[18:38] <sneakster> Ubuntu
[18:38] <dewar> whats the name of the editor you use?#
[18:39] <sneakster> gedit
[18:40] <dewar> say you want to edit your sources file but it is locked as read only, do this:
[18:40] <dewar> sudo gedit open /etc/atp/sources.list
[18:40] <dewar> sudo will give you read write to the file
[18:41] <dewar> or you can navigate to the file and open a terminal at that location
[18:41] <dewar> be carful with sudo though. its very powerful
[18:46] <SIQKO> why some stupid processes are overloading the cpu
[18:47] <SIQKO> why.. and how to prevent that
[18:51] <bobwya_> You shouldn't use sudo to open gedit : use a graphical sudo frontend command like gksu
[18:51] <bobwya_> important for security : doesn't mess with your file permissions
[18:52] <bobwya_> SIQKO: install htop it is an awesome little command line utility for seeing the evil CPU hogs...
[18:53] <SIQKO> alredy did
[18:53] <dewar> htop is that with the ubuntu distro?
[18:53] <SIQKO> nop
[18:53] <SIQKO> u just down it
[18:53] <SIQKO> sudo apt-get htop
[18:54] <SIQKO> that's great
[18:54] <dewar> muon found it
[18:54] <SIQKO> ist's like an interactiove top command but easier
[18:55] <SIQKO> for those not familiar with command line
[18:55] <bobwya_> the beauty of htop is that it will even run in a TTY console (if your X-Session/Desktop Manager is a big hosed) :-)
[18:56] <dewar> its nice and simple
[18:56] <dewar> whats the shr?
[18:59] <sneakster> I'm impressed but not having to stop think to use ls something*
[18:59] <sneakster> I'm learnin'!
[19:01] <sneakster> I'm a big fat idiot
[19:01] <sneakster> http://code.google.com/p/tint2/wiki/FAQ#Adding_a_'show_desktop'_button
[19:01] <sneakster> I'm new to Ubuntu and I installed tint2 and I'm trying to put on a showdesktop button
[19:01] <SIQKO> u'll learn
[19:01] <bobwya_> man htop > SHR = The size of the process's shared pages
[19:02] <SIQKO> all u need to do is to learn
[19:02] <sneakster> I've got the file created and saved in /usr/bin and now I'm trying to change stuff in the tint2 config file and slightly lost
[19:02] <sneakster> I'm assuming "tint2config" is the config file, I tried opening it in gedit, but it just comes up blank
[19:03] <bobwya_> SHR is mapped shared libraries in RAM (or paged) I guess??
[19:03] <peace_> sneakster: not official stuff ? no support
[19:04] <bobwya_> htop MEM% column is going to be more useful for everyday use :-)
[19:04] <peace_> sneakster: then we are kubuntu ... for #ubuntu
[19:04] <sneakster> ah
[19:12] <BluesKaj> sneakster,  kate is the default text editor in kubuntu...there seem to be alot of ubuntu users in here today ..the trolls at #ubuntu causing problems again?
[19:14] <bobwya_> Yeh, kate FTW :-)
[19:15] <bobwya_> What till they get the HUD thing later this year... There'll be floods of new Kubuntu users :-)
[19:17] <BluesKaj> actaully the way HUD is described , it seems to be a step up , if it works
[19:17] <Kwarkje> but it's definitely poweruser feature
[19:21] <SIQKO> Reading package lists... Done
[19:21] <SIQKO> Building dependency tree
[19:21] <SIQKO> Reading state information... Done
[19:21] <SIQKO> E: Unable to locate package midiori
[19:21] <FloodBotK3> SIQKO: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:21] <SIQKO> sry
[19:21] <sneakster> Thanks for the initial help, just wanted to celebrate
[19:21] <sneakster> woohoo!
[19:21] <sneakster> I did it
[19:21] <sneakster> I figured out how to move a file and slightly alter some configurations
[19:22] <sneakster> I'm the smartest linux hacker of all time
[19:24] <Torch> sneakster: grats, then ;-))
[19:28] <rockl> Hey, if you're trying to install the browser I think it's spelled midori.
[19:58] <carolyn_> howdy all
[19:59] <carolyn_> I'm working on a friend's computer who is running Kubuntu 11.10
[19:59] <BluesKaj> howdy carolyn_
[20:00] <carolyn_> it is continually freezing for no earthly reason, and I just cannot figure out what to do to keep it from doing so
[20:00] <carolyn_> I have no way of figuring out why its hanging, and google is coming up short
[20:00] <peace_> BluesKaj: :)  http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kde+Customization+kit?content=148430
[20:00] <carolyn_> any suggestions?
[20:01] <peace_> carolyn_: freeze? kernel issue
[20:01] <peace_> carolyn_: before worked fine ? upgraded? new hardware?
[20:01] <BluesKaj> what exactly is hanging , carolyn_ , more detail pls
[20:02] <carolyn_> she upgraded the OS with the newest release that came out this previous Wednsday, not sure what was included in that though
[20:02] <carolyn_> worked fine beforehand, just a few network issues I had to pound out
[20:03] <skaczor> carolyn: can you connect via ssh when it's frozen?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> peace_,  , nice ...I'm checking out QtCurve atm ..gonna run that for a while
[20:04] <carolyn_> the gui freezes, music and sounds will continue to play in the background, and the mouse will move on screen, but the keyboard is unresponsive to commands, and nothing on screen works(unresponsive gui, duh)
[20:05] <asif> hi all
[20:06] <carolyn_> howdy asif
[20:06] <skaczor> gui freeze could be due to video card driver. Are you using nvidia or amd proprietary drivers or the open source?
[20:06] <BluesKaj> carolyn_,  open dolphin>help>about kde , which version is shown there ..if the mouse works
[20:07] <carolyn_> Blueskaj: everything is working right now, give me a minute
[20:07] <carolyn_> Blueskaj: 4.7.4
[20:11] <ion_> I'm installing kubuntu 11.10 everything went fine throughout the installating however after it finish  and I do the updates the system download all the packets but when it's installing freezes at 50% of the instalation what that might be ?
[20:12] <carolyn_> ion: I was  googleing earlier and saw a help forum with someone with that same question, lemme see if I can dig that article up right quick
[20:13] <carolyn_> skaczor: I'm trying to figure out what driver is installed atm, bear with me
[20:13] <BluesKaj> yeah ,kde  4.7.4 is a bit buggy... I'm running kd3 4.8 , but it's a bit bleeding edge for regular users
[20:14] <BluesKaj> kde 4.8
[20:14] <ion_> carolyn_: Thank you carolyn_ if you do that I'll appreciate it..
[20:14] <skaczor> carolyn_: try installing the proprietary driver using the Additional Drivers under Applications->System
[20:14] <peace_> BluesKaj: LOL kde3
[20:14] <BluesKaj> yeah :)
[20:15] <carolyn_> ion: the article http://askubuntu.com/questions/89401/first-update-after-fresk-kubuntu-install-hangs-bc-of-dpkg-now-what
[20:16] <carolyn_> skaczor: I'm trying that now
[20:17] <carolyn_> Blueskaj: how do you mean bleeding edge? difficult to operate?
[20:18] <BluesKaj> carolyn_,  not totally stable , still needs some development , meant for testing
[20:19] <carolyn_> skaczor: the additional drivers threw up a list of NVIDIA drivers, only one has recommended next to it.
[20:19] <ion_> carolyn_: Okay I gonna try it and tel you whether worked or not I'm getting through the whole  process again and let's see if works, If does I'll tell you :)
[20:20] <carolyn_> now, using my incredible brain power, I'm only going to assume that I should choose the recommended driver and hit activate, correct?
[20:20] <skaczor> carolyn_: go ahead and install the driver. It may take care of your problem
[20:20] <ion_> carlyn_: Jesus nasty English...anyway I'll tell you..
[20:21] <carolyn_> Ion: hope that helps some, but iffin it doesnt, these other guys will prolly be of better use than me, I just happened to run across that article earlier
[20:21] <BluesKaj> carolyn_,  that remmended driver should be activated , skaczor's suggestion is correct , yes .
[20:22] <carolyn_> downloading and installing said driver... still wondering why it wasn't automated during installation...
[20:24] <ion_> carolyn_: Yeah I hope so ...
[20:24] <carolyn_> btw, thanks for the help Blueskaj and skaczor
[20:24] <skaczor> You are welcome carolyn_ :-)
[20:25] <BluesKaj> carolyn_,  hope it works for you :)
[20:26] <carolyn_> still downloading... slow... argh...
[20:27] <carolyn_> figured I would stick around for a minute and see what happens with the driver before I scramble
[20:28] <carolyn_> any ideas on how I can test it and make sure it's working before I leave her house?
[20:28] <BluesKaj> carolyn_,  the default driver is usually the nouveau for nvidia cards nad in most cases for onboard graphics it works well. Newer pcs have better onboard graphics and they use the more advanced drivers
[20:29] <carolyn_> Blueskaj: lol, newer computers, hah. She's using an Emachines from a few years ago
[20:29] <BluesKaj> carolyn_,  you'll have to reboot , after it installs t5hen check system settings, desktop effects and make sure they're enabled
[20:30] <carolyn_> I installed kubuntu on it because she kept downloading viruses on windows
[20:30] <BluesKaj> carolyn_, run , lspci | grep VGA, in the terminal
[20:31] <carolyn_> Blueskaj: after restart?
[20:31] <BluesKaj> no w
[20:31] <BluesKaj> now
[20:31] <carolyn_> alright, 2.5
[20:32] <carolyn_> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6100 nForce 405] (rev a2)
[20:34] <carolyn_> Blueskaj: I'm going to restart right quick, brb
[20:34] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:36] <carolyn_> aaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm back
[20:37] <carolyn_> Blueskaj: the desktop effects were already enabled
[20:38] <carolyn_> Blueskaj: also, after the last time it froze, i restarted the computer in failsafe mode. will that mess anything up?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> good that's the default , now your hanging etc should disappear
[20:39] <carolyn_> or am I correct in assuming that failsafe is like safemode in windows?
[20:39] <carolyn_> coolbeans, ty again!
[20:40] <BluesKaj> sort of , but if you just rebooted successfully then it's  in noraml mode now
[20:40] <BluesKaj> err normal
[20:41] <carolyn_> ah, ok then, had to make sure before I logged off and turned it over to her again. Thanks, I appreciate all the help from all of you! I'm sure I'll be back one day... lol
[20:41] <carolyn_> have a good day guys, take it easy!
[20:42] <BluesKaj> carolyn_,  np , same to you
[20:43] <qbit> wow - updated to KDE 4.8 and only had one very minor hiccup until now - I opened systemsettings to look at something and now all my fonts are smaller
[20:44] <qbit> it was normal all day until I opened systemsettings, weird
[20:47] <BluesKaj> qbit,  reset the fonts in system settings>application appeareance>fonts
[20:47] <qbit> gonna have to, as well as everywhere else I've customized
[20:47] <BluesKaj> qbit,  udating to a new kde resizes and resets the fonts to the default
[20:48] <qbit> what's weird is they were all the way I had 'em set all day (I updated this morning, early) - then started systemsettings and they all reset
[20:48] <qbit> lol
[20:48] <qbit> always something
[20:49] <BluesKaj> same goes for any apps you use with root permissions , so type kdesudo systemsettings in the krunner and do the dame there
[20:49] <BluesKaj> dame=same
[20:49] <qbit> I've been using KDE since 1.45g, you'd think I'd be used to it by now  :-)
[20:50] <BluesKaj> that's what Idon't like about updating kde , the configs are mostly lost
[20:53] <marcel_> hehe
[20:53] <marcel_> nice
[20:53] <marcel_> :D
[21:07] <rocketfish2> http://pastebin.com/NjrNDw13 <--dmesg-- help , usb drive rocketfish 3.5 external usb drive can be used by windows and mac, but not linux. linux sees the hard ware and even a usb flash drive plugged into the rocketfish external drive, but accessing the drive fails.
[21:07]  * rocketfish2 is away. phone call.
[21:36] <qbit> so much for Dolphin in 4.8 being "better" - can't copy to smb:// any more.....
[21:37] <qbit> can copy "from", but not "to"///
[21:40] <qbit> so annoying to read all about PR and how everything is so great and then find stuff like this that should have never made it out of QA
[21:50] <qbit> Konqueror as file manager doing exact same thing
[21:51] <hjart> probably because it's the smb kio thing which does it and not the browsers
[21:52] <qbit> I can right click on a local file and select copy, then go over to the other split window to the smb share and right click and choose 'paste one file' and it will copy
[21:52] <qbit> try to drag and drop the way it used to work and there is no context menu available
[21:53] <qbit> when going 'to' the smb share, but copying from the smb share is fine
[21:54] <qbit> such obvious brokeness should not be in something called "Release", and it is just one of a slowly growing list of things I'm finding
[21:55] <qbit> I guess next thing I need to do is move my .kde folder out of the way and see if this stuff still happens
[21:55] <qbit> or clonezilla my 4.7.4 image back and forget 4.8
[22:00] <qbit> systemsettings -> Login Screen -> Get New Themes shows the themes, you click on Install for one of them, it whirs for a minute but never shows up
[22:01] <qbit> my .xsession-errors was 100K this morning from weeks and weeks, after 4.8 update in 4 hrs it was up to 3.2MB
[22:04] <qbit> I'm beginning to become a little disappointed with this update to 4.8 "Release"
[22:07] <rosco_y> When I am running UBUNTU from the CD, can I burn data to CDs, although I have only one CD drive?
[22:14] <bobwya_> qbit: even my ARCH install is still rolling with KDE 4.7.4 :-)
[22:36] <giorgio_> se
[23:04] <dies_irae> ei
[23:04] <dies_irae> is there a way to automatically change wallpaper from wallbase.cc?
[23:39] <dies_irae> interesting, aha, ok, got it now.
[23:39] <dies_irae> seems like the perfect solution
[23:39] <dies_irae> thanks a lot!!
[23:40] <markus__> what did you do?
[23:41] <dies_irae> markus__: preteding someone helped me with my question 40 minutes ago.
[23:52] <dies_irae> ah ok :D
[23:52] <dies_irae> wrong chan