[11:43] <AlanBell> http://blip.tv/alan-bells-ubuntu-stuff/ubuntu-11-10-eyes-free-install-5636087
[11:43] <AlanBell> does that look OK?
[11:43] <AlanBell> and sound OK more importantly
[14:06] <frafu> TheMuso: Hi, Could you please help with this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/onboard/+bug/872374/comments/1
[14:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 872374 in onboard "Feature Freeze exception request: new version with GI, gsettings,..." [High,New]
[14:07] <AlanBell> frafu: is that to land on the disk tomorrow?
[14:08] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: we would prefer it be a 0day SRU
[14:08] <AlanBell> never mind, reading the comments now
[14:08] <charlie-tca> That way, it will go in as soon as installs are finished, when updates are run
[14:10] <AlanBell> yeah, I am just concerned about the release note article
[14:10] <frafu> AlanBell: According to the reply by Kate Stewart in the thread, I think not; if I get it right.
[14:10] <AlanBell> well not "concerned" in a bad way, just want to know whether to mention it
[14:15] <charlie-tca> If we can't make it a 0day, I would think mentioning it is a good thing, since it will get in, and it does fix several bugs
[14:22] <frafu> Should I change the title of the bug to Oneiric-Proposed? If so, should I also delete the debian source I attached to the thread as it has the feature freeze sentence next to the bug number in the debian/changelog?
[15:11] <AlanBell> skaet: ^^
[16:23] <charlie-tca> Isn't magnify broken in Unity now?
[16:31] <maco> the dock doesnt zoom, is all ive seen said on the ml
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Oh, not so bad then
[19:49] <AlanBell> compiz zoom works on the non-unity bits
[19:49] <AlanBell> I think some of the other zoom/mag things might be broken
[19:50] <AlanBell> going to get the release notes blog post pretty much done in the next 4 hours or so
[20:14] <charlie-tca> Great. Also got accessibility mentioned in the final release notes...
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Kate is taking care of us
[20:27] <skaet> AlanBell,  release notes should now be pointing to where your blog is.
[20:28] <skaet> (or will be rather ;) ) let me know if the location changes.
[20:49] <AlanBell> thanks skaet, the location will be right
[21:13] <TheMuso> smspillaz knows what needs fixing in COmpiz/Unity to make sure the launcher and panel get included in magnification, so we need to make sure it happens for P.
[21:14] <TheMuso> I'll put it in my P notes.
[21:14] <AlanBell> great
[21:15] <AlanBell> I think the trick will be to do that, whilst not also including the launcher in the zoom out for the workspace switcher
[21:15] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[22:38] <AlanBell> just done a longer video on using Unity with orca
[22:38] <AlanBell> with quite a few fails in it
[22:47] <TheMuso> Unity 2d or 3d?
[22:52] <AlanBell> 2d
[22:53] <AlanBell> it stopped reading application button names for a bit
[22:53] <AlanBell> the panel indicators are mostly broken
[23:02] <TheMuso> How so?
[23:07] <AlanBell> doesn't read out the indicator name for everything but the messaging indicator
[23:07] <AlanBell> calendar traps you in the indicator
[23:07] <AlanBell> menu items are all read out as tickboxes when they are not
[23:08] <AlanBell> volume control isn't keyboard adjustable even though it can get focus (and doesn't tell you that you are on it)
[23:08] <AlanBell> http://blip.tv/alan-bells-ubuntu-stuff/using-ubuntu-11-10-with-orca-5638054
[23:08] <AlanBell> oh, video isn't ready yet, blip is still encoding it
[23:09] <AlanBell> just done a video of onboard and found a massive fail in the scanning layout
[23:09] <AlanBell> the return key just presses "e"
[23:42] <TheMuso> Oh yeah the indicator stuff is known, and I plan to fix that for P.
[23:42] <TheMuso> Same with the menus all being check items, even though they aren't.
[23:42] <TheMuso> And yeah, the volume control used to be changeable with arrow keybs, but it seems this was broken.
[23:45] <AlanBell> banshee does some horrible lockups
[23:46] <AlanBell> if you use the sound indicator to do left or right track on a clean install when there are no tracks then it goes into a 100% processor hog mode which throws my laptop into thermal shutdown
[23:51] <AlanBell> right, I think that is all the videos done, and screenshots taken
[23:51] <AlanBell> will make http://pad.ubuntu.com/oneirica11y into a wordpress page with links and embedded stuff tomorrow
[23:52] <AlanBell> feel free to add/remove/edit stuff on there
[23:52] <AlanBell> I am going to add a bit on the themes and the accessibilty settings dialog with large fonts, dwell click etc


[02:13] <zul> kylem: what is happening at the next oclug meeting? or is it still to early to ask
[02:13] <kylem> i don't think it's been announced yet
[07:08] <fabbione> morning
[07:08] <kylem> g'evening
[07:08] <fabbione> yo
[07:11] <kylem> how was the flight?
[07:12] <fabbione> i am not going to leave for the next 22 hours :)
[07:12] <fabbione> i am still sitting at home
[07:12] <kylem> ohh
[07:12] <kylem> :)
[08:08] <fabbione> uuhuhuhu
[08:08] <fabbione>  /dev/gnbd/test on /mnt type gfs (rw)


[04:43] <blkperl> slangasek: what does this comment mean? https://code.launchpad.net/~blkperl/ubuntu/raring/collectd/merge-from-debian/+merge/140116/comments/313000
[04:43] <blkperl> FTBFS == ?
[04:43] <blkperl> fails to build?
[04:49] <slangasek> fails to build from source
[04:58]  * blkperl goes to boot dem raring vm
[04:58] <blkperl> slangasek: whats the ubuntu changelog format :P
[04:58] <slangasek> blkperl: it's the output of 'dch' :)
[04:59] <blkperl> slangasek: well I did that )
[05:00] <blkperl> you were there helping me merge the sucker
[05:01] <blkperl> bkerensa: whens the next event? rally the troops!
[05:01] <blkperl> bkerensa: also I think we have been neglecting irc meetings
[05:22] <slangasek> blkperl: hmm, did we do a test build after the merge?
[05:22] <blkperl> slangasek: yep it built on precise, i'm actually using it in production on precise
[05:25] <slangasek> blkperl: right; updates need to be done against the current devel release first
[05:25] <blkperl> slangasek: yep making a raring vm for this purpose
[07:15] <bkerensa> blkperl: its too cold... im hibernating till temp rises above 49 :)
[07:15] <bkerensa> blkperl: ;)
[07:15] <bkerensa> blkperl: irc meetings seemed like unneeded bureaucracy ;p
[07:16]  * bkerensa goes  to ZzzZz
[07:28] <blkperl> bkerensa: irc meetings are where I get to complain about lack of events :P
[07:28] <blkperl> also we need to improve our events they lack new people
[07:31] <philipballew> id go to an event if there was a dunk tank with bkerensa above it.
[17:45] <bkerensa> blkperl: Your more than welcome to complain on the mailing list :) a meeting is not necessary for complaint also you could organize a event :)


[00:00] <oski146> just doing his thoughts
[00:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, ok. Well, then that's very tricky and much more difficult. Ubuntu Studio uses the KDE Plasma desktop now, not Xfce like Xubuntu, so I hope he knows that.
[00:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hasn't used Xfce for nearly 2 years.
[00:00] <oski146> i know how to do the dualboot but i dk how to format  to gpt
[00:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Which live ISO are you using first? Xubuntu or Ubuntu Studio?
[00:02] <oski146> ubuntu studio
[00:02] <oski146> can i use gparted?
[00:02] <oski146> from livesystem?
[00:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, then when you boot it, open Partition Manager. Create a Partition Table, select GPT.
[00:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> We don't have GPT on the live system.
[00:02] <oski146> ok thanks
[00:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> er... Gparted.
[00:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> We have KDE Partition Manager.
[00:03] <oski146> ok that will do the same
[00:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes. It's very robust.
[00:03] <oski146> i like both
[00:03] <oski146> thanks for helping
[00:04] <oski146> since when is ubuntu  studio kde?
[00:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Since version 20.104
[00:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> er... 20.10
[00:06] <oski146> ok didnt know that
[00:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's all over the website, was announced on Twitter, Facebook, picked up on the news, etc.
[00:06] <oski146> idont use facebook. but twitter i wui
[00:07] <oski146> willl read the  announcements
[01:36] <oski146> hello
[01:37] <oski146> i wanted to ask if someone can help me to fnd out, if my soundcard is detected so i can us it
[04:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> !morehelp | oski146
[13:57] <oski146> hello can someone help me? i want to login automatic and i need to know if i can add a dock to ubuntu studio
[14:04] <oski146> and i want to know why the release upgrader core got an update... is there anything coming?
[14:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> oski146: I've seen you in the Kubuntu support. Ubuntu Studio uses the exact same KDE Plasma packages as Kubuntu, so yes, you can do whatever you want. As for the release upgrader, we have no control over that.
[14:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ubuntu Studio (and Kubuntu) are just different configurations of Ubuntu and are Ubuntu, not separate distributions.
[14:32] <oerheks> next week point release, 22.04.1
[14:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Exactly.
[14:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> And, just so you know, this channel contains a lot fewer people that will answer you, so
[14:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> !morehelp
[14:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> We simply cannot guide you through everything and every scenario in here.
[14:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> oerheks: Thanks
[14:36]  * Eickmeyer[m] needs more coffee
[14:36] <oerheks> yw, it is the only conclusion to make about that update.
[17:58] <oski146> hello is there someone that can give me advice how to install german translation for rakarrack
[18:29] <tsenko> Iamthehuman1: nothing's happening
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> tsenko: Do you have a support question?
[19:49] <tsenko> sorry .. wrong buffer
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> ok :)
[19:51] <oski146> hello
[19:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hi oski146 ! I'm here, but I'm working my dayjob.
[20:04] <oski146> okay
[20:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> oski146: Just doing some searching, looking at a 12-year-old forum post, I'm not sure rackarrack has locallization support at all. There's a feature request still opened to this day: https://sourceforge.net/p/rakarrack/feature-requests/4/?css-reload=1
[20:06] <oski146> thanks ill look into it
[20:07] <oski146> but 12 year old  is a long time
[20:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> No problem. They might have a chat somewhere.
[20:07] <oski146> i will search for it
[20:08] <oski146> what is freenode irc?
[20:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> To be fair, the project hasn't had a release since 2015, so it might be dead.
[20:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Freenode, for all intents and purposes, is dead too.
[20:09] <oski146> ok then iam all alone with this iam using it in english then
[20:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> You might be better off using guitarix instead.
[20:09] <oski146> yeah i wanted to..
[20:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://guitarix.org/
[20:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> The guys in #opensourcemusicians (many of whom use Ubuntu Studio) might have a ton of suggestions as well.
[20:10] <oski146> but jack connection to my guitar and headphones over my audio interface not possible because there are 16 outputs in total and just 2 inputs
[20:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh wow.
[20:11] <oski146> yeah idk what to use bcause of same name
[20:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd recommend a Behringer UMC202.
[20:11] <oski146> i have a behringer ucg102
[20:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> Actually, how many inputs do you need?
[20:12] <oski146> the interface has just 1 guitar input and a headphones output
[20:12] <oski146> its just for  home recordingso i  dont need a expensive  one
[20:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, so the ucg102 might actually be what you need.
[20:12] <oski146> i have :)
[20:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Perfect. It should work. I've never had a problem with Behringer equipment on my systems.
[20:13] <oski146> the interface is  functioning
[20:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have a UMC202, a UMC404HD, and an X-Touch controller.  Open up Studio Controls, and you should see everything there you need to get Jack running.
[20:14] <oski146> ok ill do
[20:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> Once that's running, click "Open Carla" and it'll open the Carla application, which is like a plugin rack and patchbay. Go to the patchbay tab and you'll see your inputs and outputs.
[20:17] <oski146> one moment please
[20:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, take your time.
[20:19] <oski146> carla opended
[20:20] <oski146> theres nothing on patchbay tab
[20:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> In the lower left, does it look like there's a square and some things in it?
[20:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> You might have to move that square over some stuff.
[20:21] <oski146> a square in a square
[20:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> If it's completely empty, then Jack isn't running.
[20:22] <oski146> now i see something
[20:22] <oski146> but just in the small square
[20:23] <oski146> ah iam dumb
[20:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Let me show you my window.
[20:23] <oski146> i have forgot to move to patchbay tab now i see something
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[20:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> You can drag a line from an output to an input.
[20:24] <oski146> ok that easy i think :)
[20:24] <oski146> but idk if iam using capture 1 or 2
[20:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just trial/error until you figure it out.
[20:24] <oski146> and i have 8 playback channels
[20:24] <oski146> ook ill do
[20:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> AND, you can output to multiple at once.
[20:25] <oski146> ok .. and how to test then?
[20:25] <oski146> cant use the keyboard on the lower
[20:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Do you have anything connected to your physical input?
[20:26] <oski146> my guitar
[20:26] <oski146> anfd
[20:26] <oski146> headphones
[20:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Then that's how you'll test.
[20:26] <oski146> ok thanks
[20:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> Glad to help. :)
[20:27] <oski146> is midi in and out used?
[20:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> Not unless you have a midi controller or instrument to use.
[20:28] <oski146> ok then i must use midi i think for the guitar
[20:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Likely not.
[20:29] <oski146> i connected all but no sound at all
[20:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Guitar is not a digital instrument. MIDI stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface and is used for stuff like keyboards that use that kind of interface.
[20:29] <oski146> ah ok
[20:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hmmmm....
[20:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> Open up qasmixer and make sure your inputs and outputs on the mixer are all up and unmuted.
[20:30] <oski146> opened
[20:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also check for any hardware volume controls or gains on the interface and make sure they're up.
[20:32] <oski146> all checked
[20:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hmmm... yeah, this is tricky without actually being there and seeing what you're seeing.
[20:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> And I have my dayjob calling me back.
[20:33] <oski146> ok bad... i will see in alsa mixer if somethingsm uted
[20:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's most likely it. Check everything under the hw section.
[20:38] <oski146> oko
[20:45] <oski146> how to send picture here
[20:46] <oski146_> now iam online again
[20:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> oski146_: To send a picture, you can upload to imgur.com and link it here.
[20:50] <oski146_> https://imgur.com/a/czL6bie
[20:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, so pulse is simply your desktop audio, so there's no wonder you're not getting your guitar. Try the other one.
[20:51] <oski146_> ok i will try
[20:54] <oski146_> when i connect the others with system output i get  asound like SHHHHHHHHH
[20:54] <oski146_> really lod my ears
[20:54] <oski146_> and guitar done nothing
[20:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Something might be turned-up too high and feeding back.
[20:54] <oski146_> ok
[20:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> That might be a microphone and not your guitar.
[20:55] <oski146_> can i reset carla
[20:55] <oski146_> oh okay
[20:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, that won't do anything. Just right-click on the outputs and disconnect everything.
[20:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> ONly connect system capture to system playback and see what happens.
[20:56] <oski146_> ok
[20:57] <oski146_> when i do this i only hea the guitar on the left output of headphones but i think thats becuse guitar input is mono
[20:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Then connect capture_12 to both Playback_1 and Playback_2.
[20:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> sorry, capture 1 and 2
[20:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> sorry, forget what I wrote.
[20:58] <oski146_> i did
[20:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Connect capture 1 to both playback 1 and 2.
[20:58] <oski146_> hearing on the left headphone only
[20:59] <oski146_> ok
[20:59] <oski146_> wait
[20:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> (Jack can convert a mono signal to stereo that way)
[21:00] <oski146_> how
[21:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> By connecting 1 input to 2 outputs with two virtual wires.
[21:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just drag a second wire.
[21:00] <oski146_> yeah its happening. but the pulse things now deleted and i dont rememeber
[21:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> You right-clicked and clicked disconnect probably.
[21:01] <oski146_> yes all of them
[21:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> The inputs and outputs are still there.
[21:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> You can still drag the virtual wires to your outputs.
[21:02] <oski146_> ok system to pulse in and then to pulse out?
[21:03] <oski146_> or to my soundcard then?
[21:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> PulseOut to your soundcard if you want system audio.
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[21:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> (that's a demonstration)
[21:04] <oski146_> ok now i got it
[21:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> Cool
[21:05] <oski146_> i send pic here
[21:06] <oski146_> https://imgur.com/AeSJrMr
[21:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> You probably don't want to connect pulse in directly to pulse out. That can cause feedback and echo when using video conferencing like google meet, skype, etc.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Other than that, that looks good.
[21:08] <oski146_> ok then what to do? connect pulse in directly to intel out
[21:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> And you'll get the hang of it from there. Experiement, and you'll figure out what is what. System is always your jack master device in Studio Controls.
[21:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> You've already got pulse_out connected to Intel Out.
[21:08] <oski146_> ok nice :) i slightly got it how it works
[21:09] <oski146_> @eickmeyer[m] ok
[21:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. This was just to get you started. As you keep going and you have fun, the possibilities get endless.
[21:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Don't be afraid of experimenting.
[21:09] <oski146_> thanks :)
[21:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> And feel free to go to #opensourcemusicians to discuss things, they're very friendly.
[21:10] <oski146_> thank you ill go thee
[21:10] <oski146_> there*
[21:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> Glad to help, and glad to get you started.
[21:10] <oski146_> :)
[21:11] <oski146_> in ardour channel they say not to use jack
[21:11] <oski146_> no  external prgrams
[21:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's true, if you're only needing to use ardour. I use Ardour and its downstream Harrison Mixbus in live environments, so I need Jack to connect to pulse audio for music playback via spotify and what-not.
[21:13] <oski146_> i just set this pc up for a friend, that he can use it. because hes not that pc firedly as me
[21:13] <oski146_> pc friendly
[21:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, now you can teach him. :)
[21:13] <oski146_> yeah i will do :)
[21:13] <oski146_> thanks anyways :)
[21:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> Quite welcome. :)
[21:17] <oski146_> when hes connecting a mic i now know what to do
[21:22] <oski146_> last question to this topic is how to save configuration of carla
[21:22] <oski146_> it all away when i restart jack and carla
[21:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> oski146: You don't have to save Carla's configuration, but a good session manager is agordejo, and another one is raysession, available in the repositories.
[21:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Another tip, you might want to enable the backports ppa.
[21:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-backports
[21:46] <oski146> ok :)
[21:46] <oski146> thanks
[21:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> You're quite welcome.
[21:48] <oski146> on the link there are just 20.10 maximum supported for backports
[21:49] <oski146> i will try anywys :)
[21:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> oski146: That's because I haven't updated that wiki in forever.
[21:52] <oski146> okay
[21:52] <oski146> and i will try ubuntu studio installer on my notebook,that i can jam too.. just typing in terminal sudo apt install ubuntustudio-installer right?
[21:53] <oski146> its only kubuntu on there
[21:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep, and then run it. It'll install an icon called Ubuntu Studio Installer somewhere in your launcher.
[21:53] <oski146> okay
[21:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> It'll give you a selection of what to install from Ubuntu Studio, and you can go from there.
[21:54] <oski146> should i install realtime
[21:55] <oski146> on notebook i dont use jack
[21:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, enable realtime.
[21:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> cant hurt
[22:00] <oski146> ok now the ubuntu studio installer installed jack but nothing more
[22:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, did you run it?
[22:00] <oski146> yes
[22:00] <oski146> ok wait
[22:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> It should've given you a window.
[22:01] <oski146> yes
[22:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> You can select the components in the pane on the left of the window.
[22:01] <oski146> okay
[22:02] <oski146> should i install lowlatency? and enable backports ppa?
[22:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'd enable backports, but lowlatency is up to you if you plan on doing anything with audio or audio hardware.
[22:03] <oski146> ok
[22:05] <oski146> and kernel change is holding shift on bootup
[22:08] <oski146> the installer crashed now 2 times with message "authorization failed"
[22:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> That happens if you forget to enter the password in the window that pops up (maybe behind).
[22:33] <oski146> oh but all got installed
[22:34] <oski146> so all what i need is installed, can you giveme advice on how to get the plasma design and global design forstudi?
[22:34] <oski146> looks better than normal kubuntu
[22:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, that's the funny part. We're just using KDE's breeze (same as Kubuntu) with a modified color scheme, plus the Papirus icon theme.
[22:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> You can install ubuntustudio-look if you want those.
[22:43] <oski146> ok thanks
[22:45] <oski146> hehe thought it would be another  :D
[22:47] <oski146> it seems like not installed. cant find it in global designs
[22:49] <oski146> ah found it thanks


[00:05] <strycore> hey all
[00:05] <strycore> can somebody explain what is happening here ?  http://strycore.com/videos/lubuntu-wtf.ogv
[00:06] <MrBadWiki> It seems your virtual machine software isn't liking Lubuntu?
[00:08] <strycore> Looks like it
[00:08] <MrBadWiki> strycore: If I look at the desktop switcher in the bottom it seems it's already opened once when you double-click it for the second time?
[00:08] <strycore> but someone says it works perfectly with that setup ( http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Ubuntu_Lucid_on_OLPC_XO#Lubuntu_distro_installed )
[00:09] <strycore> oh I didn't notice the desktop switcher
[00:09] <MrBadWiki> If you look at the clip...you'll see
[00:11] <strycore> it show in the desktop switcher before displying on screen, anyway i tried it making sure there was only one double click andthe window behaves the same way
[00:15] <strycore> i'll try installing with the mini.iso ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD ) , I can get lubuntu that way, right ?
[00:15] <MrBadWiki> So waiting a bit more doesn't help?
[00:16] <strycore> nope
[00:16] <MrBadWiki> Hmm....weird
[00:16] <strycore> I tried lubuntu 10.10 and it didn't have that problem (the problem was that it required 3.5Gb to install and I only have a 2Gb USB stick)
[00:16] <MrBadWiki> But indeed installing with the mini.iso with these instructions ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall ) would work
[00:17] <strycore> ok thanks, i'll try that
[00:18] <MrBadWiki> Btw...with those instructions you'll only the depended applications. If you want all the default applications change this < sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop > to < sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop >
[09:04] <slackmeister> good morning
[09:11] <slackmeister> how do you enable compositing?
[09:57] <ericy> slackmeister:  What is compositing? (Is that related to having trasparent menu bars and such?)
[09:59] <MrChrisDruif> Yes
[10:00] <slackmeister> ericy, yes
[10:00] <ericy> MrChrisDruif:  I would (also) be interested in transparent menu bars (aka panels) and such.
[10:00] <slackmeister> Docky is a heavy consumer of compositing
[10:00] <MrChrisDruif> There is a lightweight app to enable it
[10:01] <slackmeister> MrChrisDruif, please tell :)
[10:01] <MrChrisDruif> xcomp...something...
[10:01] <slackmeister> hmmm
[10:01] <MrChrisDruif> Let me find it for ya
[10:01] <jmarsden> http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1442 is a blog article about someone adding compositing and docky to Lubuntu, it might be relevant.
[10:01] <slackmeister> xcompmgr MrChrisDruif ?
[10:02] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[10:02] <slackmeister> jmarsden, thanks
[10:02] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[10:02] <slackmeister> you too MrChrisDruif :)
[10:02] <ericy> What does docky do?
[10:02] <slackmeister> ericy, docky is well... a dock
[10:02] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[10:02] <slackmeister> you know the thingy OSX has on the bottom screen
[10:02] <slackmeister> same ting
[10:03] <ericy> slackmeister:  What does dock mean?
[10:03] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed, it performs the same task as the LXDE bar in the bottom...well almost
[10:03] <slackmeister> ericy, www.google.com my friend :)
[10:03] <MrChrisDruif> It doesn't have notification area for instance
[10:03] <ericy> In my LXDE , I have a full bar top and bottom.
[10:07] <slackmeister> brb
[10:12] <slackmeister> xcompmgr decided not to like me
[10:17] <slackmeister> it's funny how i started with lubuntu yesterday and bam, i'm in love
[10:17] <phillw> slackmeister: it happened that way for me as well :D
[10:17]  * slackmeister is reading jmarsden's link
[10:18] <slackmeister> phillw, hehe ^^
[10:22] <ericy> slackmeister:  phillw: I've been using Ubuntu for 2 years. Two months ago I tried Lubuntu and now I don't miss Ubuntu.
[10:22] <slackmeister> Ubuntu is ok, but i don't like the way it's currently going
[10:23] <MrChrisDruif> With it's Unity you mean slackmeister?
[10:23] <slackmeister> MrChrisDruif, indeed
[10:24] <ericy> I've found Ubuntu 10.10 to be quite good and nice; but I prefer Lubuntu 10.10.
[10:25] <ericy> I've setup my Lubunu with a top and bottom panel (just as in Gnome based Ubuntu).
[10:26] <slackmeister> i just love how tidy and minimalistic LXDE is
[10:27] <slackmeister> it doesn't make anything out of itself or anything
[10:27] <ericy> Yep.
[10:27] <MrChrisDruif> slackmeister: How do you mean?
[10:27] <slackmeister> MrChrisDruif, it's just there providing what you need and it does it quick
[10:28] <slackmeister> it's not a lot of menus and flashy effects or anything like that
[10:29] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[10:30] <ericy> Yes, it's hard to explain. When I booted up Ubuntu yesterday, after running Lubuntu for about 2 months... Yes, Ubuntu seems very rich and appealing... but when I'm back to Lubuntu _I don't miss Ubuntu_.
[10:31] <MrChrisDruif> I understand what you mean :)
[10:37] <ericy> Where can I post one screenshot?
[10:39] <MrChrisDruif> imgur.com
[10:41] <MrChrisDruif> Or even twitpic.com
[10:41] <slackmeister> hmmmm
[10:42] <MrChrisDruif> But you'd need twitter for the latter...
[10:43] <ericy> slackmeister: MrChrisDruif: Please see my one Lubuntu screenshot. http://i.imgur.com/PLOdf.png
[10:44] <MrChrisDruif> Turquoise panels? =-O
[10:45] <MrChrisDruif> And 8 desktops? :P
[10:45] <ericy> .
[10:45] <ericy> ...
[10:45] <MrChrisDruif> And minted window borders? :D
[10:46] <MrChrisDruif> I'd really freak out if I'd use your Lubuntu....but that is your system, so it's your choice of course :)
[10:47] <MrChrisDruif> 2 network managers?
[10:47] <MrChrisDruif> Or is it even 3?
[10:47] <slackmeister> MrChrisDruif, noticed the same
[10:48] <MrChrisDruif> ericy: ^
[10:48] <ericy> It's hard to explain.
[10:48] <slackmeister> ericy, you just need one network manager don
[10:49] <slackmeister> don't you?
[10:50] <ericy> One gives me rate/flow feedback, the other just gives me connect and change wlan connection.
[11:00] <slackmeister> compositing just won't work
[11:00] <ericy> slackmeister:  What kind of hardware do you have?
[11:01] <slackmeister> it's intelbased
[11:01] <slackmeister> laptop
[11:01] <ericy> I mean, what kind of graphic ?
[11:01] <slackmeister> some on board intel graphics card
[11:02] <ericy> Mmm.
[11:57] <slackmeister> xcompmgr just spits out errors
[12:20] <slackmeister> how do you change window manager btw?
[12:21] <hyperair> window-manager --replace?
[12:22] <slackmeister> not found
[12:29] <phillw> hiyas hyperair
[12:29] <hyperair> hi phillw
[12:30] <hyperair> slackmeister: well i really mean replace window-manager with whatever window manager you want to use
[12:30] <slackmeister> sudo window-manager compiz?
[12:32]  * hyperair facepalm
[12:32] <hyperair> sorry, i'm going to go and jump off a few cliffs for a moment
[12:32] <hyperair> oh but you probably want compiz --replace
[12:33] <slackmeister> hyperair, dude just tell me where i type this and i'll may understand
[12:33] <hyperair> er
[12:33] <hyperair> alt+f2
[12:33] <hyperair> run dialog
[12:33] <slackmeister> hyperair, thank you, did know that
[12:33] <slackmeister> didn't
[12:36] <slackmeister> that didn't go too well
[12:48] <Guest81253> Anybody familiar with Kernelcheck?
[12:49] <ericy> Guest81253:  Not me.
[12:50] <ericy> What does it do?
[12:50] <Guest81253> Automates kernel download and compile
[13:08] <wg67c> Hi, I have a question about PPA
[13:13] <slackmeister> hyperair, still no luck
[13:50] <tom_fritter> i opened a terminal and typed: cd ~/.xchat2 but can't find colors.conf or pevents.conf?
[13:52] <zonox> tom_fritter, maybe a reinstall will be the answer :S
[13:52] <zonox> or find the template file for those two
[13:53] <tom_fritter> shall do a reinstall of xchat
[13:53] <tom_fritter> ty zonox
[13:53] <zonox> tom_fritter, np :)
[14:22] <slackmeister> so, why isn't lubuntu supported by Canonical?
[14:27] <phillw> slackmeister: Canonical are still writing the rules for a new flavour, we are treated by everyone as a fully adopted member of ubuntu in terms of access to teams etc.
[14:28] <slackmeister> so what's this endorsement thing?
[14:29] <phillw> slackmeister: this is best discussed in #lubuntu-offtopic this is a support channel.
[14:29] <slackmeister> i guess
[16:04] <tom_fritter> Hi
[16:05] <tom_fritter> I am using xchat 2.8.8-1ubuntu1 and i have been trying to change the theme
[16:06] <tom_fritter> but when i open a terminal and type: cd ~/.xchat2/
[16:06] <tom_fritter> i can't locate the colors.conf and pevents.conf files?
[16:07] <tom_fritter> could someone help me please
[16:09] <tom_fritter> oh well
[22:10] <kristian_> hi all
[22:10] <kristian_> this is the dude usually suffixed -aalborg
[22:11] <kristian_> I just put Lubuntu 10.10 on a couple of boxen... one is a laptop with wifi, the other a desktop with an ethernet card... I would like to use the laptop as a router of sorts
[23:46] <kristian-livecd_> hi all
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> Hai kristian-livecd_
[23:47] <kristian-livecd_> just put Lubuntu on a Dell workstation with 512 megs of RAM :)
[23:47] <kristian-livecd_> MrChrisDruif, Deja Vu!
[23:47] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed ;)
[23:47] <kristian-livecd_> the end user is vietnamese... I got the language packs I could think of, but only half the menu items are translated
[23:48] <kristian-livecd_> all of the main menu is cool, but the apps have english names still
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> Isn't that part of the language preferences?
[23:49] <MrChrisDruif> Move all the Vietnamese up to the top and check again?
[23:49] <kristian-livecd_> I have to Koi Dang Lai, one moment ;)
[23:49] <kristian-livecd_> this is only for this one user


[09:23] <JamesTai2> Good morning all - have a happy, relaxed World Sauntering Day. :)
[11:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:20] <czajkowski> just wondering how long after you purchase a subscription before it is applied to your account folks ?
[11:20] <czajkowski> currently over the limit as lost staff marker
[11:20] <czajkowski> so purchased 20GB there a few mins ago but still not showing on my account
[11:50] <alecu> czajkowski: maybe matiasb or beuno can answer that.
[11:51] <alecu> not sure if they have started their workday just yet, though :-)
[11:51] <matiasb> alecu, czajkowski: just starting here, no backlog; tell me :)
[11:52] <alecu> matiasb:
[11:52] <alecu> [08:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:52] <alecu> [08:19] <czajkowski> just wondering how long after you purchase a subscription before it is applied to your account folks ?
[11:52] <alecu> [08:19] <czajkowski> currently over the limit as lost staff marker
[11:52] <alecu> [08:19] <czajkowski> so purchased 20GB there a few mins ago but still not showing on my account
[11:54] <matiasb> alecu: thanks, czajkowski: it should be just a few minutes (some time could take longer too), until pay processes the authorisation (if it was purchased using a credit card), let me check
[11:54] <czajkowski> matiasb: I've logged out and in again
[11:55] <czajkowski> paid with paypal
[11:55] <matiasb> ack
[11:58] <matiasb> czajkowski: could you tell me what is your account email?
[13:25] <kenvandine> Chipaca, what's the plan for porting u1 client to qt5?
[13:26] <kenvandine> more specifically anything that depends on qtwebkit?
[13:27] <kenvandine> so the control panel i guess
[13:27] <ralsina> kenvandine: the control panel has no webkit in it
[13:27] <kenvandine> ah... so what does?
[13:27] <ralsina> nothing we are doing uses qtwebkit AFAIK
[13:28] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[13:28] <seb128> kenvandine, they use python-qt4 which depends on it
[13:28] <kenvandine> oh
[13:28] <seb128> not sure if the bindings could be split
[13:28] <kenvandine> ok... so not directly :)
[13:29] <kenvandine> ralsina, is there anyone working on porting to qt5?
[13:30] <ralsina> kenvandine: no, we are 100% on phone stuff
[13:30] <kenvandine> well, you need qt5 for phone :)
[13:31] <kenvandine> are you working on a replacement then?
[13:31] <ralsina> well, there's no ubuntuone client on the phone :-)
[13:31] <ralsina> there will be a app that doesn't do sync
[13:31] <kenvandine> right
[13:31] <kenvandine> but i don't think the client depends on qt4
[13:31] <kenvandine> just the control panel
[13:35] <ralsina> yes
[13:36] <ralsina> and ubuntu-sso-client
[14:16] <dobey> ralsina, kenvandine: ubuntuone-client has a partial dep on qt4 (for qtnetwork, for the proxy stuff)
[14:17] <dobey> the ubuntuone-client-proxy binary pkg
[14:18] <dobey> if we're shipping pyqt that works on qt5 now, then it should be pretty easy to port over
[14:18] <dobey> just tedious work
[14:24] <ralsina> it should be very limited code changes
[14:24] <dobey> yeah, it should mostly be try/except ImportError: addition in most cases
[14:25] <dobey> because putting version numbers in python package names is awesome
[20:26] <Chipaca> kenvandine: as roberto said, nobody


[08:31] <quicksilver> LeoNerd: you can unshelve and then partially reshelve
[19:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> Where can I find a definition of the 'lp' transport? I want to know if it uses a secure channel like https or ssh.
[20:02] <fullermd> Technically it's not a transport, it's a directory service.
[20:03] <fullermd> Pretty sure it resolves to http if you're not lp-login'd, and bzr+ssh if you are.
[20:04] <SamB> yeah
[20:05] <rozzin> Eduard_Munteanu: I think it's in the "launchpad" plugin.
[20:06] <rozzin> Eduard_Munteanu: On my Debian installation, this appears to be in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/launchpad.
[20:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> Thanks.
[20:07] <Eduard_Munteanu> I guess I should use the account and add the ssh key.
[20:14] <SamB> the plugin ships with bzr, though
[20:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> SamB: yes, but I don't want to fetch stuff over plain http or without some signature
[20:20] <SamB> it's odd, there's no mention of "http" anywhere in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins/launchpad/lp_directory.py
[20:22] <SamB> Eduard_Munteanu: it looks rather as though launchpad itself resolves the lp: URLs in the non-SSH case ...
[20:32] <SamB> Eduard_Munteanu: I suppose there's not really much you can do besides that, realistically; launchpad could theoretically be changed to resolve that to https, but that might break existing deployments if they can't validate the SSL keys ...
[20:32] <SamB> (because they don't have the needed CA certs installed/trusted)
[20:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> SamB: yeah... I ended up downloading a tarball through the web interface
[20:50] <rozzin> I do vaguely recall looking into how "lp:" URLs get resolved, at some point, and finding that there was some series of redirects from lauchpad.net.
[20:51] <rozzin> I remember being confused by it; I also remember it making slightly more sense after looking at how a user configures branches/series on the launchpad.net website.


[14:53] <pmatulis> can everything on the edubuntu add-on cd be installed by apt as a regular package?
[15:03] <stgraber> pmatulis: yes
[15:09] <pmatulis> stgraber: thanks, and what exactly gets installed with 'edubuntu-server' package?
[15:09] <pmatulis> how does it differ from 'edubuntu-desktop'?
[15:10] <stgraber> edubuntu-server installs moodle IIRC
[15:10] <pmatulis> i see a lot of apache/php stuff as dependencies
[15:10] <pmatulis> but then it just says it will install 'edubuntu-server' as well
[15:11] <ogra> apache, php and postgresql are moddle deps
[15:11] <pmatulis> ok, but what exactly what does 'edubuntu-server' give me?
[15:11] <pmatulis> not ltsp stuff?
[15:11] <ogra> nope
[16:21] <dgroos> Hi All!
[16:22] <dgroos> I've been working on making localapps work on my jaunty ltsp server the last few days.
[16:22] <dgroos> perhaps it is working...
[16:22] <dgroos> sounds like a strange question, but what test can I use to see if firefox is running as a localapp?
[16:29] <dgroos> for example, the system monitor run on the server shows user mrg using 117.7 mb of memory, while sys mon run on client for this user shows mrg using 89.4 mb.  Does this tell me something?
[16:46] <dgroos> hello?
[16:50] <pmatulis> dgroos: just login to the client and issue the 'ps' command
[16:51] <pmatulis> dgroos: if it's there it's there, if it's not it's not
[16:52] <dgroos> pmatulis: Thanks!
[16:52] <pmatulis> dgroos: glad to help
[16:55] <dgroos> pmatulis: I do this and I see 2 pids, neither has to do w/firefox pid I don't think--I sure don't see the word, 'firefox' on the output at least--thus no localapp firefox?
[16:55] <pmatulis> dgroos: if '$ ps ax | grep fire' doesn't give you anything then you're not running FF locally
[16:56] <pmatulis> dgroos: how did you log in to the client?
[16:57] <dgroos> pmatulis: I've got a client up in front of me so have logged into this machine and am typing the commands at a terminal on the thin client machine.
[17:01] <pmatulis> dgroos: you've opened gnome-terminal you mean?
[17:02] <dgroos> pmatulis: yes, I've opened up terminal in the GNOME desktop of the thin client (if that's what you mean)
[17:03] <pmatulis> dgroos: ok, you need to realize that you're on the server in such a situation, not the client
[17:04] <pmatulis> dgroos: you need to either access the console of the client or connect to it via SSH
[17:04] <dgroos> pmatulis: right!  so how do I do either of these--a link to a useful background page would be great!
[17:08] <pmatulis> dgroos: i recommend console for you right now, there are 2 ways, and the easiest is to simply add something like 'SCREEN_08 = shell' to the default section of your lts.conf file.  then reboot the client and access the console with Ctrl-Alt-F8
[17:09] <alkisg> dgroos: run: `ltsp-localapps xterm`  in the terminal - it'll give a local xterm
[17:10] <alkisg> Then, from the local xterm, run ps like pmatulis told you to see if firefox is running
[17:11] <pmatulis> alkisg: nice, will try
[17:14] <dgroos> alkisg: Thanks--I'm doing this and I get...
[17:14] <pmatulis> alkisg: is that a jaunty-only thing?
[17:14] <dgroos> 'grep fire
[17:14] <pmatulis> dgroos: so FF is not running
[17:15] <dgroos> alkisg and pmatulis: THANKS!  now I can try to figure out why it isn't and have a test to figure out if!
[17:16] <alkisg> pmatulis: I think it's >= 8.10
[17:17] <alkisg> dgroos: now try: ltsp-localapps firefox
[17:18] <pmatulis> alkisg: that ltsp-localapps command rocks!
[17:18] <alkisg> pmatulis: you don't get a root prompt, though; only a user shell
[17:18] <dgroos> alkisg: hmmm, says command not found (did in the local xterm)
[17:19] <alkisg> dgroos: no, do it in the terminal
[17:19] <alkisg> (gnome-terminal, I mean)
[17:19]  * pmatulis nods
[17:20] <dgroos> alkisg: got it! did it. and it opened firefox...
[17:20] <alkisg> dgroos: then you just need to put the lts.conf entry for localapps
[17:21] <alkisg> DNS_SERVER=<IP_ADDRESS> /  SEARCH_DOMAIN=ioa.sch.gr /  LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
[17:21] <alkisg> Modify to suit your needs
[17:21] <alkisg> (that's on 3 seperate lines)
[17:22] <dgroos> alkisg: thought I did that... I wasn't sure how to get the correct DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN info--that must be my problem...
[17:22] <alkisg> dgroos: no, the LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True is enought to run firefox locally
[17:22] <alkisg> The other ones are needed later on, when you start surfing :)
[17:23] <alkisg> dgroos: upload your lts.conf to pastebin
[17:23] <pmatulis> dgroos: are you running jaunty?
[17:23] <dgroos> alkisg: will do-- pastebin is where?
[17:23] <alkisg> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[17:23] <dgroos> pmatulis: yes
[17:23] <alkisg> ...and then paste the url here
[17:23] <pmatulis> dgroos: maybe just read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
[17:24] <pmatulis> alkisg: sorry to cut in
[17:24] <alkisg> pmatulis: don't worry I always do that, too, so I don't mind :)
[17:24] <dgroos> pmatulis: thanks!  I've read it like the bible these last couple of days...
[17:32] <dgroos> alkisg: question: which lts.conf, the one in the /opt/ltsp/i386_w_localapps/etc or /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386_w_localapps?
[17:32] <alkisg> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[17:33] <alkisg> If there's another one there with a different name, it won't find it
[17:33] <dgroos> alkisg: done!
[17:34] <alkisg> dgroos: if you mean that you put it to pastebin, now you have to paste the URL here for us to see it
[17:35] <dgroos> alksig: right! http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202249
[17:35] <alkisg> dgroos: you need a [Default] line on top
[17:39] <dgroos> alkis: 1. you mean, just type the word, 'Default' on a line at the top? and 2. I've got an 'lts.conf' and 'lts.conf~' in this location.  Is this issue?
[17:39] <alkisg> 1. No, I mean with the brackets:
[17:39] <alkisg> [Default]
[17:39] <alkisg> <and then follows the rest of the file>
[17:40] <alkisg> 2. No, it's a backup that gedit did.
[17:42] <dgroos> alkisg: OK now is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/20224951
[17:42] <dgroos> oops didn't paste right...
[17:42] <dgroos> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202251
[17:43] <alkisg> dgroos: ok. Reboot the client and start firefox normally from the menus
[17:43] <alkisg> ...and see if it runs ok
[17:43] <alkisg> (don't logoff; reboot it)
[17:43] <alkisg> (ehm, I mean, dont _just_ logoff)
[17:44] <dgroos> alkisg: will do :-)
[17:48] <dgroos> alkisg: Cool!  1 step at a time :) the firefox title bar says "Mozilla Firefox (on ltsp20)
[17:49] <dgroos> alkisg: so now I need to do the NAT that I've read about?
[17:49] <alkisg> dgroos: fine, you now have a local firefox :)
[17:49] <dgroos> :)
[17:49] <alkisg> dgroos: you have the classic 2 nic/2 switches ltsp setup?
[17:49] <dgroos> alkisg: yes.
[17:50]  * alkisg has to internationalize his sch-scripts project... they automatically do all of this
[17:50] <dgroos> Well, 1 router and 1 switch...
[17:50] <alkisg> Yeah ok the same thing
[17:51] <dgroos> Yes? didn't get that last one?
[17:52] <alkisg> I've started a project, called sch-scripts, and it can install firefox as a local app and also do the natting thing automatically, with a menu driven interface, but it's in Greek... :(
[17:52] <alkisg> (and also a bunch of other staff...)
[17:53] <alkisg> dgroos: have you modified your dhcpd.conf at all?
[17:53] <dgroos> alkisg: wish I do Greek!
[17:53] <dgroos> alkisg: I don't remember--I'll open it...
[17:54] <alkisg> dgroos: upload to pastebin your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and your /etc/network/interfaces
[17:54] <dgroos> alkisg: will do.
[17:57] <dgroos> alkisg: dhcp.conf at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202258 and...
[17:59] <dgroos> alkisg: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202260
[18:02] <alkisg> dgroos: run these, they'll change your IP to <IP_ADDRESS> so that it matches dhcpd.conf - your net connection will get down for a few moments:
[18:02] <alkisg> invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server stop
[18:02] <alkisg> invoke-rc.d NetworkManager stop
[18:02] <alkisg> invoke-rc.d networking stop
[18:02] <alkisg> sed -i -e 's/192\.168\.0\.254/<IP_ADDRESS>/g' /etc/network/interfaces
[18:02] <alkisg> invoke-rc.d networking start
[18:02] <alkisg> invoke-rc.d NetworkManager start
[18:02] <alkisg> invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server start
[18:03] <dgroos> alkisg: Thanks!
[18:04] <dgroos> alkisg: as root, right?
[18:04] <alkisg> dgroos: yes
[18:04] <alkisg> dgroos: then, run:
[18:04] <alkisg> sed -i -e "s/^# By default this script does nothing\./# By default this script does nothing\.\n\niptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE/" /etc/rc.local
[18:05] <alkisg> dgroos: and finally: sed -i -e 's/^[[:space:]]*##*[[:space:]]*net.ipv4.ip_forward[[:space:]]*=[[:space:]]*1/net.ipv4.ip_forward=1/' /etc/sysctl.conf
[18:05] <alkisg> And you're done
[18:11] <dgroos> alkisg: was doing this on my laptop via NX client and entered the second line above and... got disconnected :)
[18:11] <alkisg> (08:02:07 μμ) alkisg: dgroos: your net connection will get down for a few moments
[18:12] <dgroos> alkisg: so went back to server and continued w/third line and got message: "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0:
[18:12] <alkisg> So if you only pasted half of it, it'll stay down... :(
[18:12] <alkisg> dgroos: that's normal
[18:12] <dgroos> OK... I'll carry on!
[18:20] <dgroos> alkisg: arg! trying to save time/copy-paste and got myself into trouble...
[18:20] <alkisg> dgroos: do you want me to put it to pastebin?
[18:21] <dgroos> alkisg: Thanks--I can do it but first need to exit from issue... I'll explain:
[18:22] <dgroos> alkisg: I typed: sed -i -e "s/^# By default this script does nothing\./
[18:22] <dgroos> ...and then this automatically entered, leaving me a ">"
[18:23] <dgroos> ... so I tried to type: exit, quit
[18:23] <dgroos> and to no avail--still get the ">"
[18:23] <alkisg> dgroos: press Ctrl+C to cancel the editing...
[18:23] <alkisg> dgroos: you're typing this, not copy/pasting? Then I'd better tell you what to do, it'll be easier than writing all this
[18:24] <dgroos> alkisg: good! I'll do and start over...  OK yes, I can't copy/paste as on different computers...
[18:24] <alkisg> dgroos: if I put it to pastebin, can you get it from the other computer?
[18:25] <dgroos> as long as my server can get on the 'net which it appears it can...
[18:27] <alkisg> dgroos: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202276/
[18:29] <dgroos> alkisg: got it I'm just about to start line 9
[18:30] <dgroos> alkisg: OK!  Thanks! and now I start thin client...
[18:30] <alkisg> dgroos: well...
[18:31] <alkisg> is it easy to reboot the server? if not, you'll need 2 lines more
[18:31] <dgroos> alkisg: it is easy, not super quick but easy :-)  I'll do it...
[18:32] <alkisg> ok... otherwise do: sysctl -p and: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE
[18:32] <alkisg> I forgot to put them to pastebin
[18:33] <dgroos> Sure--That's quicker...
[18:33] <alkisg> (again, as root)
[18:35] <dgroos> alkisg: says error: unable to open and preload file "and:"
[18:36] <alkisg> dgros: two lines:
[18:36] <alkisg> sudo sysctl -p
[18:36] <alkisg> sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE
[18:36] <dgroos> I see :)
[18:37] <dgroos> got it!
[18:37] <alkisg> ok, reboot a client now
[18:38] <alkisg> (it turns out it would be much simpler if I modified and gave you the whole script instead of only pasting parts of it :()
[18:39] <dgroos> do you mean-- put all of the instructions into a shell script, then I would just run the script?
[18:41] <alkisg> dgroos: yes, but I already have that script, and it has some failsafe checks also, the problem was that it displayed some messages in greek, that's why I pasted only parts of it... :(
[18:41] <dgroos> alkisg: don't seem able to log into the client :(
[18:42] <alkisg> dgroos: ah right there's another problem. Ah, those scripts...
[18:42] <alkisg> You have to run:
[18:42] <alkisg> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[18:42] <alkisg> sudo ltsp-update-image
[18:42] <dgroos> Right!
[18:43] <dgroos> alkisg: LaserJock recently proposed an idea about having a repository for useful scripts that many people have that could benefit others--seems like this is one that should be there--w/a translation or 2... :)
[18:45] <alkisg> dgroos: yes, I also thought that was a great idea, I'll try to internationalize my scripts in the summer and we can upload any of them that seem worthy
[18:50] <dgroos> Hmmm... it says 'port 2000 is already defined with /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img in inetd.conf   Taking no action.
[18:54] <alkisg> dgroos: also normlal
[18:55] <alkisg> Now reboot a client
[18:59] <dgroos> alkisg: the thin client boots, goes to login screen, I try to login and it says: "No response from server, Restarting" and then the login screen refreshes...
[18:59] <alkisg> dgroos: that's the ssh-keys problem, did you run those 2 commands?
[19:00] <alkisg> (08:42:21 μμ) alkisg: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[19:01] <dgroos> alkisg: yes.  After typing that in, it asked for my sudo password, I typed it, hit return, and it went back to the prompt...
[19:04] <alkisg> dgroos: Hmmm... I'm pretty sure it's the ssh keys problem. Change your lts.conf with this one, so that you can get a local shell on the terminal: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202297/
[19:07] <dgroos> pasted and saved this on the lts.conf file.  I'm not sure what to do now?
[19:07] <alkisg> Now, reboot the client,
[19:07] <alkisg> and when it boots, press Alt+Ctrl+F2
[19:08] <alkisg> You'll get a local terminal. There, write:
[19:08] <alkisg> ssh -l your-user-name server
[19:08] <alkisg> If I'm right, it'll warn you about the ssh keys not being correct
[19:09] <alkisg> Then, if you accept the modified ssh keys, and if you press Alt+Ctrl+F7, you'll be able to logon to the GUI
[19:11] <dgroos> This did the trick!  I can log on!  Now for firefox test...
[19:13] <alkisg> dgroos: what did it say about the ssh keys? That it doesn't know the keys, or that they were modified? Because that trick was a temporary only solution, the "permanent" solution is ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image...
[19:14] <dgroos> alkisg: it said that it was an unknown host I believe...
[19:14] <dgroos> (firefox still can't get to internet :(
[19:15] <alkisg> dgroos: press alt+ctrl+f2 again, and see the gateway etc:
[19:15] <alkisg> route -n
[19:15] <alkisg> this shows the gateway
[19:15] <alkisg> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[19:15] <alkisg> this shows the dns server
[19:16] <alkisg> are these correct?
[19:16] <dgroos> hmmmm client froze up, will reboot and do test...
[19:19] <dgroos> client won't re-boot.  got to a blank screen and curser started to blink...  tried alt+ctrl+f2 and did nothing, also...
[19:21] <dgroos> OK  i just tried to reboot client and it worked this time...
[19:22] <dgroos> it is indeed different info...
[19:24] <dgroos> cat /etc/resolv.conf says: domain gateway.2wire.net and search gateway.2wire.net and nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and the client at route -n says...
[19:26] <dgroos> for eth0 Destination <IP_ADDRESS> and Gateway is <IP_ADDRESS> and Genmask is <IP_ADDRESS> and Flags is U and Metric is 0 and Ref is 0 and on the second line...
[19:27] <dgroos> for eth0 Destination <IP_ADDRESS> and Gateway is <IP_ADDRESS> and Genmask is <IP_ADDRESS> and Flags is UG and Metric is 0 and Ref is 0 Oh yeah, it says that Use was 0 for both lines.
[19:30] <alkisg> dgroos: your gateway is wrong. It should be <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:32] <alkisg> dgroos: does your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf have "options routers <IP_ADDRESS>"?
[19:33] <dgroos> alkisg: alkisg: exactly...
[19:34] <dgroos> shall I go to the router in my house and change to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[19:34] <alkisg> No no
[19:34] <alkisg> router means the gateway
[19:34] <alkisg> Upload your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to pastebin, please...
[19:36] <dgroos> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202320
[19:37] <dgroos> alkisg: I really appreciate your help these few hours, now.  I totally understand if you have to get on with the rest of your life :-)  I can try to figure this out or ask others...
[19:37] <alkisg> Hmm, other than "    filename "/ltsp/i386_w_localapps/pxelinux.0"; " it looks ok
[19:39] <dgroos> I've got 2 chroots: the i386 and the copy where I'm trying local apps i386_w_localapps as per the directions on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
[19:41] <alkisg> dgroos: erm, ok, that's a problem
[19:41] <alkisg> E.g. when you did ltsp-update-sshkeys / ltsp-update-image, not both of the images were updated for the new IP
[19:42] <alkisg> That's why even after the updating you had problems logging in
[19:42] <alkisg> sudo ltsp-update-image -a i386_w_localapps
[19:42] <alkisg> You need this one ^^^ to update
[19:43] <dgroos> oops...
[19:43] <dgroos> or should that be OOPS
[19:43] <dgroos> sorry and I'll do it now...
[19:43] <alkisg> But still, this doesn't answer why your gateway is wrong
[19:44] <dgroos> I wonder...
[19:44] <dgroos> there was a firefox bug fix where I had to add a script, here...
[19:45] <dgroos> $ cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/chmod-resolv.sh
[19:45] <dgroos> #! /bin/sh
[19:45] <dgroos> chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf
[19:46] <dgroos> and then run this command to add to the lts.conf file:
[19:46] <dgroos> $ cat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[19:46] <dgroos> SEARCH_DOMAIN = ubuntu-ltsp5 || Change this for your own network
[19:46] <dgroos> DNS_SERVER = <IP_ADDRESS>  || Change this for your own network
[19:46] <dgroos> RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/chmod-resolv.sh
[19:47] <dgroos> does this relate?
[19:48] <dgroos> but I should say I added it to the i386_w_localapps lts.conf
[19:50] <dgroos> OK--just updated the correct image and was able to log in :)
[19:51] <alkisg> dgroos: put /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386_w_localapps/lts.conf to pastebin
[19:51] <dgroos> started firefox browser, said it was running as a localapp, tried to open the tabs but couldn't, then quit
[19:52] <alkisg> Your gateway is wrong; firefox won't work until you fix it
[19:54] <dgroos> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/202341
[19:56] <alkisg> dgroos: can you do this in a local terminal again?
[19:56] <alkisg> route -n | grep ^0
[19:57] <alkisg> Does it say <IP_ADDRESS> ?!!
[19:57] <dgroos> I'll check... rebooting thin client...
[19:57] <alkisg> No need for reboot
[19:58] <dgroos> --I meant 'boot'
[20:00] <dgroos> it says: <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>     UG     0     0     0     eth0
[20:03] <alkisg> dgroos: that's fine then...
[20:03] <alkisg> The last time you said it was <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:04] <alkisg> dgroos: so, try to ping your dns server: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:04] <dgroos> ping from the server?
[20:04] <alkisg> no, from the local terminal on the client
[20:04] <alkisg> Erm... that's where you ran the `route -n` command, right?
[20:07] <dgroos> right!
[20:07] <dgroos> and yes, it did ping!
[20:07] <alkisg> Ehm, ok, now try: ping www.google.com
[20:08] <dgroos> that worked as well.
[20:09] <alkisg> ....ok, now try www.google.com on firefox
[20:09] <alkisg> (all this pinging was done from the *local* terminal, right? not a gnome-terminal...)
[20:10] <dgroos> correct.
[20:10] <alkisg> So, does firefox work now?
[20:10] <dgroos> firefox tries to go to site, unsuccessfuly for a while, then quits....
[20:11] <dgroos> I wonder if it has anything to do with: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocalAppsResolvConf ?
[20:11] <alkisg> No, if ping works from a local terminal then your resolv.conf is ok
[20:11] <alkisg> Try to put this on firefox: http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:14] <dgroos> hmmm... this time upon launching firefox I quickly closed up the different tabs before it quit, and now it works!!! :) :)
[20:15] <dgroos> I think it might have been trying to load a flash video on one of the tabs and maybe ???
[20:15] <alkisg> Heh... maybe it just needed a refresh...
[20:15] <dgroos> I'd guess all of might? ;)
[20:16] <dgroos> Thanks so much!!!
[20:16] <dgroos> I want to record lots of these ideas andinfo for others to use...
[20:16] <alkisg> You're welcome... you can put info on the wiki
[20:18] <dgroos> I wonder, would it be better to put this info on my blog and reference to it with a 'note for newbies' on the wiki, or put the whole thing directly on the wiki page?  Any thoughts?
[20:29] <dgroos> alkis and pmatulis too, thanks again :)  you keep the wheel turning... David
[20:51] <pmatulis_> alkisg: nice session!
[20:51] <alkisg> pmatulis_: nah, it would be much much shorter if I just translated my scripts to english :(
[20:52] <alkisg> I tried to  make it faster, but it turned out for the worse
[21:34] <sbalneav> Good evening all, from Brazil!
[21:40] <bencrisford> hey sbalneav!


[03:56] <rgh> I think for Ardour 6.9 on Ubuntu 20.04 you'll need this ppa, right? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ardour-backports


[14:39]  * hyperair should file a bug that Xorg sucks with rapidly changing window titles
[14:39] <hyperair> stuff like firefox's downthemall plugin which insists on putting the total speed on the window title and changing it every second causes X's cpu usage to go up to ~30%


[02:38] <bluesabre> welp, looks like there is some work to do
[02:38] <bluesabre> :D
[02:39] <bluesabre> parole still locks up at startup
[02:39] <bluesabre> login screen is black (looks like new greeter is grabbing default ubuntu config)
[02:40] <bluesabre> installer crashed several times while installing, but I finally made it
[02:40] <bluesabre> :D
[03:02] <bluesabre> ochosi: seems like the default setting for xfpm 1.5.2 is to display the remaining time?
[03:02] <bluesabre> whats the setting to disable that again?
[18:42] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think that the greeter has some config issues, lubuntu also reported that bug i think
[18:43] <ochosi> that was after changing the dir from /etc/lightdm/ to /usr (if i'm not mistaken)
[18:43] <ochosi> parole locking up doesnt sound nice :/
[18:44] <ochosi> the default setting for the xfpm plugin would be to display nothing iirc
[18:44] <ochosi> but i could be mistaken there
[18:45] <ochosi> either way, the xfconf key is INT /xfce4-power-manager/show-panel-label in channel xfce4-power-manager and the available settings 0,1,2,3
[18:50] <bluesabre> ochosi: we just need to move our greeter config to /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.d/ (and lubuntu should do the same)
[18:51] <bluesabre> ochosi: I added the setting and set it to 0 and the label went away
[18:51] <bluesabre> so that might be good to check
[18:51] <ochosi> right, we can still think of a good default for x-d-s
[18:51] <ochosi> that is, *if* we consider shipping xfpm 1.5
[18:52] <bluesabre> right


[00:34] <SeanFromQueens> Anyone actually participating here?
[00:35] <Fritigern> SeanFromQueens: If you can boot into a terminal (text mode), you may be able to manually run an update.
[00:36] <SeanFromQueens> how does one boot into terminal?
[00:37] <SeanFromQueens> Can I assume doing anything (changing grub boot order & copying the profile directories from the Kubuntu partition) from the Windows session is moot and undoable?
[00:37] <Fritigern> wait, other idea. If you manage to get to the desktop, hit CTRL+ALT+F1, this will put you in a terminal (TTY1), you can then switch back to graphics mode with CTRL+ALT+F7
[00:38] <Fritigern> First you will need a system that does not freeze, and updating the system MIGHT help, but i can;t guarantee anything
[00:39] <SeanFromQueens> hopefully it doesn't freeze while in terminal mode, so that I can do the update and get back to GUI mode.
[00:39] <Fritigern> Once you are in terminal mode, enter "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" (without quotes of course), this will download and install all available updates.
[00:41] <SeanFromQueens> the double && allows for multiple commands at a time, right?
[00:42] <Fritigern> Yup, that is correct
[00:42] <SeanFromQueens> Fritigern: How about being able to do anything from Windows session?
[00:42] <Fritigern> sudo apt update will retrieve a list of updated packages, and sudo apt full-upgrade downloads and installs those packages
[00:43] <SeanFromQueens> Is retrieving app profiles and reordering grub boot order, just a bridge too far?
[00:43] <Fritigern> I don;t know if anything *is* possible from Windows. It all depends on how you have installed Kubuntu, if that's on an image or a separate partition, and if you have a shared partition with one of the filesystems that Wondows supports.
[00:44] <Fritigern> Please ignore my typos. As funny as they may seem, they are not deliberate
[00:44] <SeanFromQueens> separate partitions
[00:45] <Fritigern> Windows has no support for Ext4 file systems, which is what (K)Ubuntu uses by default. So you may have to get into Kubuntu first before you can mofe stuff around
[00:45] <SeanFromQueens> But while I'm running Kubuntu (or when I could run it without it freezing up) I could access the Windows partition
[00:46] <Fritigern> Yes, Linux supports many different file systems, but Windows does not. Windows only cares about itself :-)
[00:46] <SeanFromQueens> I guess Kubuntu can access FAT16 or FAT32, but it doesn't work the other way around
[00:46] <Fritigern> exactly
[00:46] <Fritigern> Linux can also access NTFS partitions
[00:47] <SeanFromQueens> NTFS partitions, what's that?
[00:48] <Fritigern> NTFS is what Windows uses as a default since Windows Xp
[00:48] <SeanFromQueens> Learn something new every day, thanks Fritigern
[00:51] <Fritigern> And I have just learned something as well. I figured that since it has been ages since I've used windows, that perhaps there have been new developments on their filesystem support. And wouldn;t you know it, I have just read the following: " Recently released ReFS file system was developed by Microsoft as a new generation file system for Windows 8 Servers."
[00:52] <Fritigern> This is where I've read this. http://www.ufsexplorer.com/und_fs.php#windows
[00:58] <SeanFromQueens> Thanks I guess I've got to go and try this out
[01:15] <Fritigern> valorie: Here's a new paste showing me first doing apt full-upgrade, then apt install wine-stable which I decline, then a full-upgrade again. This to show that my system IS fully up to date, and still wine would cause a crapload of stuff to be uninstalled. http://paste.ubuntu.com/26151115/
[01:33] <SeanFromQueens> Fritigern: I'm back, that sudo apt update and full-upgrade commands (I entered the correct commands) gave a lot of 404 not found errors as the packages scrolled down the screen
[01:36] <SeanFromQueens> then the system responded with advice to apt-get update and  apt-get update --fix-missing
[01:37] <SeanFromQueens> neither fixed the freezing system problem, I guess I'm going to have to scrap it and reinstall wiping out the settings and profiles that I had
[01:58] <valorie> SeanFromQueens: do you have some PPAs mixed in there or something?
[01:59] <valorie> unless your connections are dodgy, there should be no 404s
[06:18] <Leevancleef> Kubuntu Live USB failed to load Plasma and GUI hung on the error window. I've switched to TTY2 to poweroff, but it's asking me for a password
[06:19] <Leevancleef> Anybody know the login info for the Live CD/USB?
[06:19] <Leevancleef> 17.10
[06:37] <Leevancleef> Live USB worked fine upon restart. Attempting install lol
[06:37] <Leevancleef> I've never seen an OpenGL failure in a Live CD like that before.
[10:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:53] <Guest6856> hola
[11:06] <Lux80> Hallo, muss man etwas beachten, wenn man den GNOME-Software-Center anstelle von Discover haben möchte?
[17:26] <Crell> Hi folks. I've a Thinkpad X1 Carbon 5th Gen running 17.10, with a Thunderbolt dock. The dock *was* working properly. However, for unknown reasons it's now not connecting any data. Just power. No ethernet, no video, no USB, nothing. I did not change any settings. Best I've found via Google is this: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/ThunderBolt-3-Dockingstation-and-Linux/td-p/3671481 - However, I already have TBolt security
[19:31] <pter> selam
[21:49] <To24> > Today’s daily ISO for Bionic Beaver 18.04 sees an experimental switch to the Breeze-Dark Plasma theme by default.
[21:49] <To24> Very nice :-)


[10:35] <rickspencer3> I'm trying to write a QML app
[10:35] <rickspencer3> looks like the webkit has no integrated cookies support? :(
[10:35] <rickspencer3> and I think I have to write C++ code to download a file from the internet
[10:38] <rickspencer3> http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Download_Data_from_URL
[13:28] <itmonk> hi
[13:30] <itmonk> It's sad, so sad It's a sad, sad situation. And it's getting more and more absurd. Today is my application in status "pending review" 1 week ago -((
[13:30] <itmonk> I'll go shoot myself
[13:48] <itmonk> http://9ddf.iz.piccy.info.nyud.net:8080/i7/df9d988646eb19f9e12c026ccfdae22e/1-5-2373/18971029/win!_800.jpg
[13:48] <itmonk> this is really the best solution
[13:49] <itmonk> if unity had it - it would be a great proffit
[13:50] <dpm> itmonk, sorry for the delay in reviewing your application. We've currently got quite a queue and your app will be reviewed as soon as possible. What's your application?
[13:56] <itmonk> dpm: I understand that you have a lot of work. I am sad because I was unable to provide. The name of my application - XmasLights. I would have waited for more, but the meaning of my application - decorate your desktop for Christmas. And Christmas is almost ripe. So to me a little sad. I do not have time.
[13:58] <dpm> ah, I see, we talked last week about it, but you were using another nick.
[13:59] <itmonk> dpm: Yes, thank you that remember me. I used the nick PWF, sorry.
[14:00] <dpm> no worries, I just wanted to make sure I was talking to the same person :)
[14:08] <itmonk> I realized that to create applications with critical deathline on which they should be presented with - it's bad. I will not do so. But this is my first application for ubuntu, I really wanted to try.
[16:36] <jml> https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/testtools/matchers-from-elsewhere/+merge/84488 if anyone is interested
[16:43] <james_w> jml, do you have an opinion on configglue?
[16:43] <jml> james_w: I've forgotten what it is.
[16:44] <jml> james_w: umm... no, I don't.
[16:44] <james_w> ISD's wrapper around ConfigParser and optparse
[16:44] <james_w> noodles775, are you happy with configglue?
[16:44] <james_w> I've just got to typing "import ConfigParser" and wonder if I should switch it for configglue
[17:00] <jml> james_w: call?
[17:01] <james_w> on my way
[21:17] <PWF> have anyone have any idea how I can elegantly check how the user environment running: unity or unity2D?
[21:25] <PWF> ппц


[02:27] <rostam> hi
[02:30] <semiosis> rostam: friendly greetings are nice, but if you want to ask a question, go for it!
[02:32] <rostam> I am following some of the official ubuntu website on how to install a grub2 on usb device.
[02:32] <rostam> The command I use is:
[02:32] <rostam> grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/ --bootloader-id=grub2 --recheck --debug
[02:33] <rostam> it fails due to bad option:  --target=x86_64-efi .  Not sure why?
[02:34] <semiosis> sorry i can't help with that, but hopefully someone else will be able to
[02:36] <rostam> semiosis, thx
[02:36] <semiosis> yw
[02:53] <Midion__> hmmm as soon as i setup csf and whitelisted the cloudfare ip's for my domain. My site has started loading faster again.
[05:21] <afib> hey all. ive got a a strange problem going on with my ubuntu 12.04 server and was hoping for some insight into how i could track down the problem
[05:23] <afib> i bought a System76 Eland Pedestal, and it seems that data connection flakes out from time to time. im not sure what the source of the problem is or how to identify it
[05:23] <semiosis> afib: wired or wireless?
[05:23] <afib> but for example, if i ping the router, or an address, i don't lose packets. but it just seems to hang sometimes, and remoting in to the server sometimes fails
[05:24] <afib> wired. ive tried plugging both ethernet ports in, and only one. and swapped between the two
[05:24] <afib> ive got it on a static IP on a router running the Tomato Linux Firmware on a WRT54GL
[05:24] <semiosis> the 'dmesg' command might show hardware issues
[05:24] <semiosis> thats all i got
[05:25] <afib> since i do have another server in the office, and they do run the same daemons (SSH, VSFTP, WebMin interface for local etc), in order to differentiate between them i use different ports
[05:25] <afib> hmm okay ill give that a try. i wasnt finding anything in my logs
[05:26] <sarnold> afib: perhaps the port on your switch is flaky; can you pop a laptop onto that port and let it ping all day?
[05:26] <afib> but right now, i logged in via SSH tunnel => VNC... and then it hung, and dropped. but it's fine on the other server. and right now, im having to VNC into the one server, and then into the other in order to even get in
[05:26] <sarnold> afib: try with and without that specific ethernet cable, too, you never know, it might be flaky too
[05:26] <semiosis> i was thinking maybe ethernet cable too
[05:27] <afib> but oddly, SMB doesnt seem to be affected, and im not losing packets as far as i can tell. maybe im not pinging long enough
[05:27] <afib> so LAN seems fine, out to net is not
[05:28] <semiosis> possibly QoS on the router, but i have no idea how to check that
[05:28] <semiosis> not familiar with tomato
[05:28] <sarnold> tomato is slick but pretty basic..
[05:29] <afib> QoS is disabled. it's very similar to dd-wrt
[05:29] <semiosis> my routers run openwrt or openbsd....
[05:29] <afib> yeah, it's generally fine for the office fine. 2 servers, 8 computers mixed PC and Mac
[05:29] <semiosis> thinking about switching from openwrt to dd-wrt
[05:29] <semiosis> but i digress
[05:31] <sarnold> I -do- slightly wonder about bufferbloat. I dunno if I'm just parotting the new hotness or not, but it -might- be bufferbloat..
[05:31] <sarnold> repeat me repeat
[05:31] <sarnold> this looks cool: http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt
[05:32] <afib> hmm yes unfortunately im limited to what this router can handle
[05:32] <afib> since it's basically just a hardware and firmware modified consumer grade deal
[05:33] <sarnold> yeah, I ran tomato for a few years on an oldschool wrt54g
[05:33] <afib> budget does not allow anything more advanced, and really all it handles is the internet traffic since it's only 100mbps and we're a design agency
[05:33] <afib> so the lan traffic is done through apple base station
[05:33] <afib> then the ddns, ip assignments and port addressing is done through the wrt
[05:36] <sarnold> hrm, are both servers downstream of the apple base station?
[05:38] <afib> yes. both are hosting info used for everyone. one is a simple lampp stack web server for proofing sites and keep the git repos and databases in sync, and the other is a file server. both run 12.04. amd both run nearly identical configurations, although hardware is quite different
[05:38] <afib> the pedastal is brand new
[05:39] <afib> but eg, while one might have SSH on 3669, the other would be 3996 or something like that. also the web server runs virtual machines with various OSes and browsers for testing websites
[05:39] <afib> and all of those are remotel vboxes
[05:40] <afib> but that machine reuns fine, and internet on others is fine. its just the one, and its frustrating because it's supposed to be pushing data to the cloud, but it's getting disconnected (even with backup software off and uninstalled)
[05:42] <sarnold> DNS problems can lead to awkward behaviors. it doesn't feel like it'd be your problem, but if switch port and ethernet cable don't get you there..
[05:45] <sarnold> afib: -maybe- there are firmware updates for your nics, check the linux-firmware package or your nic vendor's website..
[06:05] <raj__> how do I override bash settings for all users, i want to override history size in .bashrc for all users...
[06:05] <raj__> if I configure in /etc/bash.bashrc that is overridden by local files. Any way to force global bashrc settings ?
[06:07] <sarnold> raj__: you can patch bash to ignore that setting
[06:07] <sarnold> raj__: what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[06:08] <raj__> sarnold, I want to increase history size for all users & do immediate history saving after each command is executed.. "for all users"
[06:09] <sarnold> raj__: why?
[06:11] <raj__> sarnold: increase history size so that I can keep a long history of everything executed on my server... immediate saving so that..if client gets disconnected..history is saved..
[06:11] <sarnold> raj__: but... why? :) I'm trying to figure out what problem you're trying to solve, there may be something better ..
[06:13] <raj__> long history to keep track of what all has been done on the server.. history can tell everything i have done to server..
[06:17] <sarnold> raj__: i wonder if you could execute 'script' via ssh forced commands; that would be overkill, it'd record output as well as commands..
[06:43] <raj__> could I put a certain file in some VCS like git/subversion/etc only "when" I am  modifying it. So first the put the unmodified version & then the modified version. The desire is to put the file in VCS only when I want, rather than doing initial full directory commits.. possible ?
[06:44] <sarnold> raj__: I've heard good things about etckeeper
[06:45] <raj__> sarnold, but that is only for /etc & it does a initial full directory commit ? why do I do that.. i would only want to keep the files i modify & manually manage rather than autocommits at each install...
[08:30] <jfcastro> hi, I want to install OpenStack Icehouse on Ubuntu
[08:31] <jfcastro> must I use ubuntu 14.04?
[08:32] <jfcastro> in others words, is going to be maintenance Openstack Icehouse in ubuntu 14.04?
[08:33] <jfcastro> thanks in advance :)
[08:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:43] <jfcastro> morning
[08:43] <lordievader> Hey jfcastro, how are you doing?
[08:44] <jfcastro> fine :)
[08:45] <jfcastro> I'm trying to install OpenStack Icehouse on Ubuntu but I have some doubts
[08:45] <jfcastro> I normally use ubuntu-cloud.archives.canonical.com on ubuntu 12.04 but I would like use ubuntu 14.04
[08:46] <jfcastro> and it's no packages in ubuntu-cloud.archives to ubuntu 14.04
[08:46] <jamespage> jfcastro, the cloud archive does have icehouse  for 12.04 -  use the proposed pocket for now - but so does 14.04 which will be supported for 5 years
[08:46] <jamespage> the packages in the main archive are icehouse in 14.04
[08:46] <jamespage> no cloud-archive required
[08:47] <jamespage> (and please raise bugs if you find any :-))
[08:47] <jfcastro> jamespage: good!
[08:48] <jamespage> jfcastro, I was testing all of last week on 14.04 - its general good - ceilometer is broken but that should be fixed next week
[08:48] <jfcastro> jamespage: and these OpenStack packages on 14.04 will be maintenance same as cloud-archive?
[08:48] <jamespage> jfcastro, the openstack packages in 14.04 are the source for the packages for 12.04 in the cloud-archive - so yes!
[08:48] <jfcastro> it sounds fine!
[08:48] <jamespage> jfcastro, http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/icehouse_versions.html
[08:48] <jamespage> to illustrate!
[08:48] <jfcastro> thanks!
[08:48] <jfcastro> I'm going to read :)
[08:49] <jamespage> (that report lies about greenlet and neutron - they are up-to-date)
[08:49] <Tex_Nick> ubuntu 13.10 ... how would i start a VPN service before lightdm ?
[08:50] <jfcastro> jamespage: so, to deploy Icehouse I must to use 14.04?
[08:50] <jfcastro> and openstack package will be maintenance for 5 years
[08:50] <jfcastro> really?
[16:51] <DeltaHeavy> Hey, I have a VPS running Ubuntu 12.04 to mainly serve up my website amongst a few other things. I have netfilter configured as tightly as sanely possible but I was wondering if it would perhaps be best to install VPN software on there, and make services like SSH, and my databases only open on my VPNs interface. Is this a good idea or are there pitfalls?
[18:26] <arrith> DeltaHeavy: well only ssh needs to be open really
[18:26] <arrith> and even then you can lock that down
[18:27] <DeltaHeavy> arrith: I'm a developer so I want to be able to access my DB's from DB clients.
[18:27] <DeltaHeavy> Ended up deciding that it would cause too much inconvinance to be worth while. Just going to continue on the way I'm going I think.
[18:30] <arrith> DeltaHeavy: you can tunnel db connections over ssh
[18:30] <DeltaHeavy> arrith: True, I usually just use SSL though.
[18:32] <arrith> DeltaHeavy: there is a difference between authentication and encryption. ssh does both
[18:33] <arrith> DeltaHeavy: by itself, ssl just does encryption
[18:34] <DeltaHeavy> arrith: Yeah, all the RDBMSs I use though have their own auth.
[18:34] <arrith> DeltaHeavy: larger attack surface. ssh you can lockdown in one place. also knockd
[18:34] <DeltaHeavy> True, I should look into that perhaps
[18:35] <DeltaHeavy> Thanks!


[05:24] <dax> ubottu: no, isitout is <reply> Not yet!
[19:57] <dax> ubottu: unregged =~ s^https://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify^https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl^
[19:57] <dax> !unregged
[19:58] <dax> ubottu: no, umode is <reply> There are many different channel and user modes on freenode (see !freenode). For a list, see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/usermodes and https://freenode.net/kb/answer/channelmodes
[19:59] <dax> !channels =~ s^http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist and ^^
[19:59] <dax> !channels
[20:00] <dax> !irc =~ s^http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist^!alis^
[20:00] <dax> !irc
[20:00] <dax> wait why is that not an alias
[20:00] <dax> !-irc
[20:00] <dax> !-channels
[20:00] <dax> !no, channels is <alias> irc
[20:05] <dax> !forget mibbit
[20:06] <dax> k, i think that's everything that links to freenode.net updated. surprised we hadn't done that before now
[22:54] <Flannel> I guess calling ops is easier than paying attention.
[22:55] <bazhang> two for the price of one!
[22:56] <Unit193> Pretty sure they think that's a "Ban this guy" button.