[10:44]  * danilos -> food
[12:14]  * danilos -> switches locations
[12:29] <gary_poster> hm, sorry about that
[12:30] <gary_poster> I didn't notice my IRC client hadn't actually joined
[12:30] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb, call in 1 min
[12:31] <bac> π
[12:32] <bac> anyone else having trouble with the kanban board?  i just have a field of blue
[12:40]  * bac realizes he had JS disabled for testing.  kanban likes the JS
[12:40] <gmb> gary_poster: Sorry about that. 1965 called; they want their bakelite handset back.
[12:40] <gmb> I have nothing of import to add anyway.
[12:41] <gary_poster> gmb, ok :-)
[12:46]  * gary_poster needs to go out and get some meds for my wife.  back in a few.
[12:50] <gary_poster> Another thing we need to do if no-one else does: handle merge of stable to db-devel
[12:50] <gary_poster> biab
[13:10] <danilos> gary_poster, there's two revisions from stub merging stable into db-devel, hopefully that settles it
[13:23] <gary_poster> cool danilos
[14:36]  * gmb dreams of a fast test suite
[15:11] <bac> benji: would you mind swapping CHR times tomorrow?
[15:11] <benji> bac: sure
[15:11] <bac> ths
[15:11] <bac> thx
[15:23] <gmb> gary_poster: Is there any news on the proposed Yellow Squad Sprint
[15:23] <gmb> ?
[15:23] <gary_poster> gmb, nada
[15:23] <gmb> Hah, okay.
[17:26] <danilos> gary_poster, btw, I'm looking at LP production crontabs, I do see a script-monitor for distributionmirror-prober but I don't see the actual script anywhere
[17:30] <gary_poster> danilos, ack.  um.
[17:31] <gary_poster> danilos, lib/lp/registry/scripts/distributionmirror_prober.py ...
[17:31] <gary_poster> cronscripts/distributionmirror-prober.py
[17:32] <gary_poster> cronscripts/mirror-prober.sh
[17:32] <danilos> gary_poster, right, but I don't see it mentioned in crontabs... ah, mirror-prober.sh, let me check that
[17:34] <danilos> gary_poster, ack, mirror-prober.sh is in the production crontabs, l'll keep looking further
[17:34] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[17:41]  * gary_poster really ought to take lunch before the team lead call
[17:41]  * gary_poster takes lunch
[19:04] <bac> i really wish launchpad had 'su'
[19:05] <bac> i cannot figure out how to trigger this bug i'm working on.  but one user is doing it a couple of times a day.
[20:21]  * bac - chr
[20:40] <bac> "Zen is a new programming language with simple syntax, a mix of C, Ruby and Pascal."
[20:40] <bac> that does sound simple
[20:50] <gary_poster> heh
[20:50] <gary_poster> run away


[02:42] <newhoa> If I'm playing with a Gtk3 theme that can be rendered using either the Unico or Adwaita with just a few unnoticeable tweaks, is there any reason I should prefer one over the other? Speed benefits, better support, better future support, etc?


[13:46] <craigbrash> hey Kilos
[13:46] <craigbrash> how you doing
[13:50] <Kilos> hi  craigbrash healing well ty
[13:50] <Kilos> hows you
[13:51] <craigbrash> all good here
[18:36] <Kilos> sorry about not arranging to have a meeting here tonight everyone
[18:38] <Kilos> as long as we keep the channel growing we can do without monthly meetings for a while i think but im open to suggestions
[18:39] <pieter2627> quarterly meetings?
[19:01] <Kilos> yeah we can discuss and work it out
[19:02] <Kilos> mainly because this isnt a loco as such we dont need monthly meeting to stay recognised
[19:03] <Kilos> we also wont need to renew it every 2 years as locos have to so we got advantages
[19:04] <Kilos> reverification is what locos have to do every two years'
[19:10] <inetpro> thanks Kilos, I feel better now
[19:10] <Kilos> QA tell dupingping you have been very scarce
[19:10] <QA> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell dupingping on freenode
[19:10] <inetpro> time flying too quick for me
[19:10] <Kilos> lol you agree inetpro
[19:10] <Kilos> meetings arent actually needed here
[19:11] <inetpro> well it forces us to talk to each other in a way :-)
[19:11] <Kilos> we can meet when there are things to discuss
[19:11] <Kilos> when i have energy back ill start chatting to everyone every day again
[19:14] <Kilos> we need to work out how to make peeps want to chat here
[19:15] <Kilos> like build a happy place of friends
[19:15] <Kilos> hi philipballew
[19:15] <Kilos> im ready to sleep again. night all. be good


[06:35] <pavlushka> abhra: you got thic channel logged now, \o/
[06:36] <pavlushka> abhra: and wow, I see you have a new cloak :)
[06:36] <abhra> morning pavlushka
[06:37] <pavlushka> morning abhra :)
[06:39] <pavlushka> abhra: and we got a guest op here, hi elky :)
[06:40] <abhra> hi elky good morning to you too :)
[06:41] <pavlushka> abhra: ahm, may be elky is sleeping in some other timezone :)
[06:41] <pavlushka> abhra: so how are you?
[06:55] <abhra> doing fine pavlushka
[06:58] <abhra> is there anyway to convert calender entries into duty roster? suppose A & B are working in a department. duty schedule for the day is from 10 am to 8 pm. a calender is created with the duty schedule. monday is A, tuesday is B wednesday is B. now is there anyway to take a tabular print out of this resembling a duty roster?


[06:59] <ubuntu> eth0: error while getting interface flags:no such device...
[07:00] <ubuntu> why is it like this? i eman i jsut upgraed to 6.06 now i have no net on my laptop net was working with 5.10
[07:00] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu: so, are you sure eth0 is right
[07:00] <Skrot> livingdaylight: also; http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: what i'm saying is Adobe did not realease a 8.X at all, they said they were just going to go from 7-9
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> seven to nine that is
[07:01] <ubuntu> sorry, what do you mean
[07:01] <livingdaylight> Skrot: Thx Man!
[07:01] <Skrot> No problem
[07:02] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu: try 'ifconfig -a' to see if eth0 is the right interface
[07:02] <livingdaylight> Admiral_Chicago: what is the difference? so 9 is the new 8. Basically it is the next release,
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> livingdaylight: there are release notes that I haven't read yet
[07:02] <ubuntu> there is no eth0 only lo and sit0
[07:03] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: 1 joke for new friends, yours! now i have to phone call to pupil-adult
[07:03] <BonBonTheJon> ubuntu: try 'ifconfig eth0', sorry
[07:03] <ubuntu> device not found
[07:04] <Acidic> ubuntu do sudo modprobe net*
[07:04] <willreed03> so i have a soundblaster live 5.1 card and creative 5.1 speaker system...when i first installed ubuntu i could only get 2.1 sound...im using the ALSA guimixer and amarok to play mp3's...i can turn up the surround controls and get sound out of all my speakers but then when i use my multimedia keyboard to turn down the sound or mute it only mutes the 2.1 speakers...and i am absolutely lost as how to get it fixed....i have been trying lots of stuff and
[07:04] <willreed03> nothing seems to work...any help or advice would be greatly appreciated
[07:04] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: Sister's pupil-adult (Juan-John) say him that gnulinux not compatible with nothing!
[07:04] <Acidic> then sudo ifconfig eth0
[07:05] <ubuntu> FATAL; module net not found
[07:05] <Acidic> hold on
[07:05] <constantine-xvi> how compatible is KHTML (Konqueror) to WebKit (Safari)?
[07:06] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: i only offer courses gnu/linux , but only my last class is win, all class are gnulinux, except one, i want offer the best computer-study
[07:06] <edinaldo> hi for all
[07:06] <Acidic> type
[07:06] <constantine-xvi> just want to know so i dont need a mac to test sites
[07:06] <Acidic> ubuntu: sg | grep "net"
[07:06] <Acidic> soz
[07:06] <Acidic> ubuntu: dmesg | grep "net"
[07:07] <edinaldo> hi
[07:07] <BonBonTheJon> edinaldo: hi
[07:07] <edinaldo> hi
[07:07] <edinaldo> i'm from Brazil,So Paulo
[07:07] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: but sisters, family, girl-friend, boyfriend, and more are my competition , they never have seen linux because are adict-users of M$
[07:08] <hammer> hi ppl
[07:08] <ubuntu> initializing netlink socket (disabled)
[07:08] <fladd> hi there, has anyone got xgi and beryl run under edgy?
[07:08] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: which suggest for i tell John pupil?
[07:08] <timothy_> what is the xgl and baryl kubuntu channel?
[07:08] <rag> fdoving: JosefK: which suggest for you
[07:08] <LjL> !xgl > timothy_
[07:08] <fdoving> rag, please use #kubuntu-offtopic for non support issues.
[07:09] <JosefK> is there any way to enable scriptable plugins under Konqueror?  Realplayer complains, and the BBC Radio site doesn't really function properly
[07:09] <ubuntu>  acidic : nitializing netlink socket (disabled)
[07:10] <hammer> kubuntu's not so good as i expected...
[07:10] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: what isn't working right
[07:10] <ricanelite> Hey guys, I have a quick questions? When I open Firefox and the font size of the menus, like "File, Edit, View" It is large. How can I adjust that
[07:10] <rag> fdoving: thx, bye
[07:11] <hammer> BonBonTheJon: mp3. I've just installed it, read some faq's and still cant get everything work =(
[07:11] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: what are you trying to listen to mp3s in?
[07:11] <hammer> amarok. i've xine engine. gstremer refuses to be downloaded =)
[07:12] <BonBonTheJon> !mp3
[07:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:12] <JosefK> hammer: if you're on kubuntu using amarok, you only need the libxine-extracodecs package
[07:12] <ricanelite> Can anyone tell me how can I adjust my font size on Firefox and I mean the Fonts on the Toolbar, On File, Edit, it is too big
[07:13] <hammer> JosefK: where can i find it?
[07:13] <Acidic_> ubuntu: modprobe 8139too
[07:13] <JosefK> hammer: you'll need to enable Multiverse first, I'll find a link to the Wiki
[07:13] <fdoving> rag, you're welcome, bye :)
[07:13] <JosefK> hammer: after you've enabled multiverse, it's just 'sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs', or you can get it using Adept
[07:14] <BonBonTheJon> any one know how to view DocBook in KDE
[07:14] <hammer> JosefK: in which repository? i've just searched and didn't find it..
[07:14] <JosefK> hammer: it's in multiverse :) it isn't enabled by default
[07:15] <JosefK> hammeR: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:15] <ubuntu> acidic module 8139 noit found
[07:15] <Acidic_> noo
[07:16] <hammer> !wtf multiverse
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wtf multiverse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <Acidic_> sudo modprobe 8139too
[07:16] <BonBonTheJon> !multiverse
[07:16] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:16] <JosefK> hammer: hehe, it's all explained on that page
[07:17] <hammer> JosefK: i've already added some reps...
[07:17] <ubuntu> is that too? letter o? or number 0
[07:17] <Acidic_> letter ooo
[07:17] <ubuntu> ok when i used sudo another prompt opened up
[07:17] <Acidic_> s/ooo/oo
[07:17] <Acidic_> mm
[07:17] <ubuntu> and 2 beeps
[07:18] <Acidic_> good
[07:18] <Acidic_> type cd /dev
[07:18] <Acidic_> then ls | grep "eth"
[07:18] <Acidic_> cd /dev/net
[07:18] <Acidic_> even
[07:18] <hammer> JosefK: which repository should i add?
[07:18] <ubuntu> ok
[07:19] <izzyb_> I'm pulling my hair out trying to fix a couple of printing problems.  The first is with a lexmark p3150.  I have it almost working using the z600 driver, but it prints with the black shifted to the left about half an inch or so
[07:19] <ubuntu> ok
[07:19] <Acidic_> ubuntu: type sudo ifconfig eth0
[07:19] <izzyb_> if I print just black, it's cut off on the left, if I print something with colour, the colour looks correct, but the black is shifted to the left
[07:19] <ubuntu> device not found
[07:20] <izzyb_> anyone aware of this problem?
[07:20] <Acidic_> what network card you using?
[07:20] <ubuntu> xircom rem56g
[07:20] <Acidic_> ok
[07:20] <ubuntu> it work perfectly fine with 5.10...
[07:20] <izzyb_> This link was usuful in helping me get this far, but it doesn't talk about this problem that I seen anyway
[07:20] <izzyb_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49714
[07:21] <izzyb_> it does suggest that the driver works with the P3150, but with some shading issues.
[07:21] <Acidic_> ubuntu: is it pcmia?
[07:21] <ubuntu> yes
[07:21] <izzyb_> I can't say as I've noticed any shading issues, just the missalignment of black
[07:26] <kinema> Is it just beta isos or all kubuntu iso that aren't availialbe from tracker.ubuntu.com?
[07:26] <hammer> JosefK: no more help to lamerz? =)
[07:26] <Acidic_> ubuntu: sudo modprobe
[07:26] <Acidic_> ubuntu: sudo modprobe xirc2ps_cs
[07:26] <Acidic_> even
[07:26] <ubuntu> ok another prompt whats next
[07:26] <Acidic_> type ifconfig eth0
[07:26] <ubuntu> device not found again
[07:26] <Acidic_> ubuntu: dang, ill do some more research, hold on
[07:27] <ubuntu> thanks thnaks....really helps to know someone helps
[07:28] <jarn> Ugh, I always forget... where is sources.list?
[07:33] <fdoving> jarn: /etc/apt/
[07:33] <Hawkwind> If you forget, locate sources.list  would tell you :)
[07:33] <jarn> fdoving: Thanks.
[07:33] <jarn> Hawkwind: Thanks.
[07:33] <hammer> blin
[07:33] <hammer> zhopy
[07:33] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[07:33] <MetaMorfoziS> i have a little problem: http://metamorfozis.hu/p/Kep29.jpg [640*480 phone image] , what can i do to get it work?
[07:33] <larson999> any coders in here who have designed an app that uses a dialog for overwritiing existing files like in a bulk move or copy?
[07:33] <fdoving> MetaMorfoziS: 'mount -o remount,rw' and then 'fsck -y /dev/hda4'
[07:33] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, and can you tell me what is the problem, how importatnt it and etc?
[07:35] <izzyb_> MetaMorfoziS: looks like a disk fault
[07:35] <MetaMorfoziS> and what -y does?
[07:35] <jarn> Is there a way to force a program to open in a specific desktop from the command line?
[07:35] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: I do a fair amount of UI stuff on windows, don't know if I can help?
[07:35] <MetaMorfoziS> jarn yes: export DISPLAY=:#displaynum#
[07:36] <MetaMorfoziS> beore you start the app
[07:36] <hammer> how do i add multiverse repository in Kubuntu?
[07:36] <jarn> Thanks. :D
[07:36] <MetaMorfoziS> nm:)
[07:36] <TheGateKeeper> !repos > hammer
[07:36] <BluesKaj> tried running dapper in VMWare but  VMTools wouldn't install, so i dumped it
[07:37] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, i want to add a 'no to all' button to some of the programs i use and am wondering if there is some fundamental design reason why many of the dialogs don't have one.
[07:37] <MetaMorfoziS> okay thx all, i try that, i hope it have man...
[07:37] <izzyb_> MetaMorfoziS: the -y tells it to assume yes I believe
[07:37] <izzyb_> instead of prompting you to fix everything
[07:37] <BluesKaj> ! VMWare
[07:37] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[07:37] <fdoving> MetaMorfoziS: -y attempts to fix filesystem corruption automatically.
[07:37] <MetaMorfoziS> thx
[07:38] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, it bugs the heck out of me when the dialog has a 'yes to all' by no 'no to all'
[07:38] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm going to try
[07:38] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: seems reasonable to me & if that is what users want then provide them with it
[07:39] <malcolm> Does anyone know of a good image editor for Kubuntu, basicaly all i want is the equivalant of windows' paint
[07:39] <hammer> so.. as far as i know i've enabled multiverse universe everything... but no libxine-extracodecs can be found there (((
[07:39] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: got a screenshot of your dialog?
[07:40] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: did you update
[07:40] <hammer> BonBonTheJon: u mean Fetch? yes i did. and from console too =)
[07:40] <BonBonTheJon> malcolm: krita isn't too difficult
[07:40] <Hawkwind> hammer: You might want to post your sources.list to http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[07:40] <jarn> Is it possible to use multiline aliases in bash?
[07:41] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: 'sudo apt-get update'
[07:41] <malcolm> i've got krita but it tells me it's got a bug and it won't load
[07:41] <izzyb_> jarn: maybe with use of a \ at the end of the line.  never tried though.  might want to implement it as a function instead though
[07:41] <jarn> I'll just do it as a script.
[07:42] <hammer> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/169
[07:42] <BonBonTheJon> !kolourpaint
[07:42] <ubotu> kolourpaint: a simple paint program for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 1030 kB, installed size 2328 kB
[07:42] <izzyb_> jarn: that works too :)
[07:42] <BonBonTheJon> malcolm: try kolourpaint
[07:42] <hammer> BonBonTheJon: thx, i know
[07:42] <jarn> izzyb_: ;)
[07:43] <Hawkwind> hammer: First things first, you've got both Dapper and Breezy repos in your sources.list
[07:43] <izzyb_> jarn: if you just want to string a bunch of commands together, there's always ; or &&
[07:43] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: try easysource
[07:43] <BonBonTheJon> !easysource
[07:43] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:43] <hammer> Hawkwind: I thought that's ok...
[07:43] <Hawkwind> hammer: Secondly, you only have multiverse and universe enabled for things like back-ports and extras.  You need them enabled for everything
[07:43] <jarn> izzyb_: Oh yeah. :P Oh well, I'll keep it as a script. Easier to edit that way.
[07:43] <Hawkwind> hammer: What are you running exactly, Dapper or Breezy ?
[07:43] <jarn> How do I make something open in a different desktop from the command line? Someone told me export DESKTOP=:desktopnumber, but that gave me errors.
[07:44] <hammer> 6.06 dapper, as far as i know
[07:44] <Hawkwind> hammer: Then you should remove all the Breezy repos.  You don't need them
[07:44] <izzyb_> silly question, but which is newer, dapper or breezy, and how do you tell which you are running?
[07:44] <Hawkwind> hammer: lsb_release -a will tell you exactly what you're running
[07:44] <BonBonTheJon> Hawkwind: do you know if there is a command to see what version you are using
[07:44] <Hawkwind> izzyb_: Dapper
[07:44] <jarn> izzyb_: Dapper.
[07:44] <Hawkwind> BonBonTheJon: lsb_release -a
[07:44] <BonBonTheJon> Hawkwind: lol
[07:45] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, oh, it's just the standard dialog you get when you want to do something like a bulk copy.  like in a filemanager.  the specific one i want to change is Thunar.  so if some of the files you want to copy already exist in the target you get a dialog that says, 'The file exists.  Do you want to replace it?'  Then there is 'Yes','No', 'Yes to all'  but there is no 'No to all'.  so if there happen to be multiple existing fil
[07:45] <larson999> es you want to replace you get a message for each.  this is common in quite a few programs i've seen over the years and i'm just curious if there is some reason i've missed.
[07:45] <Hawkwind> hammer: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=545.0
[07:45] <Hawkwind> hammer: That is a post on my forums with my exact sources.list.  You might want to take a look at it
[07:46] <izzyb_> Hawkwind, jarn: thanks.  how do you tell which you have (/me sure he is running dapper)
[07:46] <Hawkwind> izzyb_: lsb_release -a  will tell you what you are running be it Dapper or Breezy or whatever
[07:46] <ubuntu> acuduc thanks for the help burt i guess this is not going to work thanks anyway
[07:47] <izzyb_> hmm, I'd never have guessed that one.  isn't lsb linux standards base?
[07:47] <Hawkwind> izzyb_: In most cases that is what LSB stands for, correct
[07:47] <izzyb_> in this case?
[07:48] <Hawkwind> izzyb_: I can only assume it stands for the same thing in this case
[07:48] <hammer> Hawkwind: ok. Thank you very much!
[07:49] <izzyb_> Hawkwind: the man confirms
[07:49] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: now you have explained it a little more I think that extra functionality would be an excellent idea, providing users understand what that button does in the context of that dialog then I can no reason for not doing it
[07:49] <hammer> and thx to others who helped!
[07:49] <tiger_> anyone know how to get compiz up?
[07:50] <BonBonTheJon> !compiz
[07:50] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:51] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, i agree but in my mind it's so basic i can't believe it's not in them all.  for instance i happen to be in windows now and that's how explore works, too.  in fact it seems like most of the time there is no 'no to all'.  so i just figured i'd ask around to see if there was some reason that i haven't thought of.
[07:51] <Hawkwind> hammer: You're welcome.  Hope you get/got it working :)
[07:52] <MetaMorfoziS> heyhey
[07:52] <MetaMorfoziS> thank you guys
[07:52] <B-Minus> hey all
[07:52] <MetaMorfoziS> it worked, i'm form my sweet kubu yeah
[07:52] <larson999> maybe the great hawkwind knows why so often there is no 'no to all' in the copy/move dialogs
[07:52] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: oversight by the linux programmers by the sound of it
[07:53] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, and windows programmers it appears
[07:53] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: quite possible :-)
[07:53] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:53] <Hawkwind> larson999: No to all would be the same thing as 'Cancel'
[07:54] <berkes> does anyone know if there is a feature in KDE that lets me store a web-page together with all the CSS and images and stuff?
[07:54] <Hawkwind> So filling up a dialog with a No To All option would be pretty much a waste of space since Cancel does the same thing
[07:54] <hammer> Hawkwind: i'm updating packages. I'm on dialup =)
[07:54] <JosefK> Hawkwind: it's "no" only to the files that already exist, not all files
[07:54] <rag> aptitude --assume-yes install openoffice.org-l10n-es &
[07:54] <MetaMorfoziS> can i check what files damaged?
[07:55] <fdoving> MetaMorfoziS: check /lost+found
[07:55] <rag> with & background is possible?
[07:55] <Hawkwind> hammer: Ah ok.  That'll take a while :P
[07:55] <rag> aptitude in background with & is possible?
[07:55] <abattoir> berkes: Location->Save As in konqueror doesn't do that?
[07:55] <berkes> abattoir: nope. It stores only the HTML
[07:55] <larson999> Hawkwind, not exactly.  'cancel' stops the whole bulk copy.  'no to all' would answer no to the replace question when a file with the same name exists.
[07:56] <MetaMorfoziS> i have nothing in that folder
[07:56] <JosefK> larson999: if you're interested, that feature seems to be in Edgy
[07:56] <JosefK> larson999: "Skip" and "Auto Skip"
[07:56] <Hawkwind> larson999: Oh I gotcha.  I was misunderstanding then.  I know Konqueror has a 'Skip' and 'Skip All' option
[07:57] <Hawkwind> It's been in konqueror for years
[07:57] <Hawkwind> Not 'Skip All', but Auto Skip as JosefK mentioned
[07:57] <B-Minus> In openoffice i have very bad fonts, check this screenshot please :http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17811&d=1161249746
[07:57] <TheGateKeeper> larson999: skip & autoskip would probable be better labels for the buttons
[07:57] <B-Minus> you see citrix thats good fonts, but in the background openoffice
[07:58] <B-Minus> its the same file
[07:58] <larson999> Hawkwind, yeah, some programs have it but most that i've used don't.  so i was just wondering if there was some reason most didn't implement it.  sounds like there might not be a good reason
[07:58] <Hawkwind> However, konqueror is one of the only apps I know that has that.  I can't recall any others that have something similar
[07:59] <abattoir> berkes: Tools -> Archive Web Page
[07:59] <larson999> JosefK, thanks.  edgy will be released soon enough.
[07:59] <JosefK> larson999: the release candidate's coming out today
[07:59] <abattoir> berkes: isn't that what you needed?
[07:59] <larson999> TheGateKeeper, maybe but if the dialog already says 'yes to all' i'll probably use no to all unless i want to change the whole dialog
[07:59] <Hawkwind> larson999: Seems there would be some good reason, but yet if enough people request it, maybe it could get added to certain apps/programs or to all apps/programs
[07:59] <rag> JosefK: hi again, aptitude backgroun, is possible? with &
[08:00] <exhale> hey, does anyone have any problem using kate from the terminal? i cant get it to launch
[08:00] <JosefK> rag: I'm not sure how backgrounding plays with GNU Readline, I guess that's one you'll just have to try?
[08:01] <rag> i try it, but no work
[08:01] <rag> JosefK: i try it, but not works
[08:01] <JosefK> rag: there's your answer then :)
[08:01] <BonBonTheJon> B-Minus: what is the problem, the fonts look fine
[08:02] <rag> JosefK: what?
[08:02] <exhale> is there an alternative to kate?
[08:02] <JosefK> rag: it looks like you can't background aptitude then
[08:02] <rag> JosefK, i test it but no
[08:02] <larson999> Hawkwind, you'd think.  i'm a programmer and filemanagers are kinda old hat.  i'm just trying to picture someone actually designing the dialog.  when i have a 'yes' option i always include the corresponding 'no' option unless there is a good reason.  maybe i'll ask one of the projects why they left it off.  in this case thunar.
[08:02] <BonBonTheJon> exhale: for basic text editing, try kwrite
[08:03] <rag> JosefK: perdon, i dont understand you jose
[08:03] <JosefK> rag: sorry, I mean - so aptitude isn't compatible with & - you'll have to find another way
[08:03] <exhale> thanks BonBonTheJon
[08:03] <rag> JosefK: ok
[08:04] <[GuS] > Hi prople, after upgrade yesterday to proftpd 1.3.0, seems i cant run the service usign the same .conf file that was working before this... but if i use the default that comes with proftpd, works fine
[08:04] <exhale> damn i just get error messeges either launching kate or kwrite through konsole :(
[08:04] <[GuS] > here my debug: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/210350
[08:04] <[GuS] > and here my conf.: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/210351
[08:04] <[GuS] > i will be glad if someone could help me :)
[08:04] <exhale> http://pastebin.ca/210359
[08:04] <rag> JosefK: my need is: i want run aptitude on distinct machine
[08:04] <BonBonTheJon> exhale: its common to get errors starting some apps from konsole, don't worry
[08:05] <JosefK> rag: I think you're looking for 'screen'
[08:05] <JosefK> rag: man screen - for more information
[08:05] <rag> JosefK: i run: ssh root@remote_host aptitude --assume-yes install openoffice.org-l10n-es
[08:05] <BonBonTheJon> exhale: does it still start up
[08:06] <exhale> BonBonTheJon:  no it doesnt
[08:06] <rag> JosefK: screen open other terminals....?
[08:07] <JosefK> rag: no, but you can 'detach' a screen on a remote host, and it keeps the process running
[08:07] <exhale> i really need something to edit config files.. lol
[08:07] <JosefK> rag: so you can disconnect, but leave aptitude running, for instance
[08:07] <B-Minus> BonBonTheJon: the font looks fine in citrix, but check on the background
[08:07] <rag> JosefL: i dont see it
[08:07] <B-Minus> BonBonTheJon: there is openoffice and the fonts there are ugly and bad
[08:08] <rag> JosefK: my target is: run various ssh aptitude... on various machine
[08:09] <BonBonTheJon> B-Minus: in linux you must have anti-aliasing on, so the font looks smooth, in windows it looks blocky
[08:09] <JosefK> rag: yes, you can script ssh sessions, and use shared keys to ease connecting, but you've got a lot of reading to do
[08:10] <jarn> How do I make something open in a different desktop from the command line? Someone told me export DESKTOP=:desktopnumber, but that gave me errors.
[08:10] <fdoving> jarn use kstart
[08:10] <JosefK> jarn: you need the other desktop to run 'xhost +'
[08:10] <rag> JosefK: shared keys?
[08:10] <hammer> btw, kppp won't work... it sends wrong username while logging in...
[08:10] <JosefK> rag: like I said, a lot of reading to do
[08:10] <fdoving> jarn: desktop as in kde virtual desktop?
[08:10] <jarn> fdoving: Yes.
[08:10] <fdoving> jarn: then use kstart
[08:11] <rag> Josefk: where is possible read?
[08:11] <exhale> does anyone have problems launching kwrite and kate through konsole?
[08:11] <rag> JosefK: do you know, l glad read ;-)
[08:11] <JosefK> rag: "man ssh" and "man aptitude" are good places to start, "man screen" too if you're interested
[08:11] <jarn> fdoving: Thanks.
[08:11] <JosefK> rag: after that, googling's probably best
[08:11] <fdoving> jarn: as an example: 'kstart --desktop 2 kate' for more info '#kstart' in konqueror
[08:12] <jarn> fdoving: Yep, I figured out how it works. Thanks a lot. :D
[08:13] <rag> JosefK: which is the equivalent for Menu Session --> new terminal?
[08:13] <BluesKaj> funny stuff here , http://dojaja.biz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61
[08:13] <rag> JosefK: screen is for open other terminal?
[08:13] <TheGateKeeper> exhale: you would probable be better off launching gui apps from Run Command... rather than the cli
[08:13] <JosefK> rag: Ctl+Shift+N
[08:14] <JosefK> rag: screen does something similar to opening another terminal, but you can disconnect from it and leave it running on the machine
[08:15] <rag> JosefK: and equivalent code for ctrl+shift+n?
[08:15] <rag> JosefK: for console
[08:15] <JosefK> I don't think there is, but I also think you miss the point
[08:15] <rag> JosefK: ok , i'll try to screen aptitude ...
[08:16] <JosefK> rag: in your situation, I'd probably put a simple cron-job on the machines to have them pull a list of packages to download/changes to make from an HTTP server somewhere, and then run aptitude
[08:17] <rag> JosefK: ok screen open other session with cmd pass like parameter
[08:17] <JosefK> rag: or apt-get etc., you can watch/kill aptitude as needed (store the pid in /var or /tmp somewhere)
[08:17] <JosefK> rag: indeed
[08:20] <berkes> abbatoir, that is what I needed, yes
[08:21] <rag> JosefK: yeah is other posibility, i thought it too
[08:21] <rag> JosefK: cron , but your get pid for what?
[08:22] <rag>  JosefK: i don't understand you for get pid?
[08:22] <JosefK> rag: just so you can keep track of which aptitude you ran
[08:23] <rag> JosefK: ok you say me for kill sessions?
[08:23] <JosefK> rag: yes, that kind of thing, and you'd be able to tell if a run was terminated by a reboot etc.
[08:23] <rag> JosefK: other things , how to get trac of aptitude?
[08:24] <rag> JosefK: what you suggest command for trac? how to?
[08:25] <JosefK> rag: you'd do it by hand - you can get the PID of the program after you run it in bash, google for the "Advanced Bash Scripting Guide"
[08:26] <rag> JosefK: for example ps -aux | grep aptitude and link to awt , true?
[08:26] <JosefK> rag: no, that's dangerous - what if the user ran another aptitude?
[08:26] <JosefK> rag: you want $! - try running 'ls' a few times, then 'echo $!' immediately afterwards
[08:27] <rag> JosefK: but user not works other aptitude job because i use cron...
[08:27] <fdoving> rag, you can use 'pidof aptitude'
[08:27] <fdoving> to get the pid of a running aptitude.. that is.
[08:27] <JosefK> true, but (IMO) that's bad practice if you were the one that started the command
[08:28] <fdoving> JosefK: yeah, using something like start-stop-daemon would be much cleaner.
[08:28] <rag> JosefK: ok i run pidof aptitude and it say me , 4 jobs for aptitude
[08:29] <Vegeta^> Why is it that Azureus' message boxes (the ones that can pop up in the right low corner) can't be closed, it's like it freezes. Has anyone heard about this problem?
[08:29] <fdoving> Vegeta^: update to newest version (cvs if the newest released still gives you problems)..
[08:29] <JosefK> rag: that's exactly why I don't like using something like 'pidof' if I already know which aptitude I'm after
[08:31] <campbch> ello
[08:31] <gemidjy> can anyone give me the sources.lst file from Kubuntu Edgy Beta live cd ?
[08:31] <rag> JosefK: what? aptitude not is good?
[08:31] <campbch> anyone know how to add the repository that has the 915resolution package?
[08:31] <rag> JosefK: leave lost jobs?
[08:32] <JosefK> rag: it looks like it there rag, but I don't know what's hapenning on your system either
[08:32] <yokobr> anyone knows a good howto to install beryl under kubuntu dapper??!
[08:32] <campbch> like, 10,000 packages and nothing good on >.< for resolution fixing, that is
[08:32] <JosefK> rag: even then, it's generally bad to pray that there'll only be one instance of a program running (the one you want) at a time
[08:32] <JosefK> rag: it'll break at some point
[08:32] <TheGateKeeper> campbch: it's in universe
[08:32] <rag> JosefK: ok, i test it , thx you , you are a good computer boy ;-)
[08:33] <JosefK> rag: software engineering student ;)
[08:34] <BluesKaj> TheGateKeeper: any idea how many mirrors are being setup for Edgy on Oct 26 ?
[08:34] <TheGateKeeper> BluesKaj: sorry no idea
[08:35] <gemidjy> can anyone give me the sources.lst file from Kubuntu Edgy Beta live cd ?
[08:35] <BluesKaj> prolly be totally inundated with DL requests
[08:35] <BluesKaj> !Kubuntu Edgy Beta Live CD
[08:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Kubuntu Edgy Beta Live CD - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:36] <TheGateKeeper> !edgy
[08:36] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[08:36] <BluesKaj> !Edgy
[08:36] <yokobr> well......please........ i cant find a good howto............... i need a clean and dry kubuntu dapper beryl howto
[08:36] <fdoving> yokobr: try #ubuntu-xgl
[08:37] <yokobr> how can i install new themes??
[08:37] <BluesKaj> gemidjy: why not wait til next thurs when the stable official release version comes out
[08:37] <yokobr> in gnome is just paste on .theme =/
[08:37] <bLaZeD> hello whats the package name for tcl?..... apt-get install tcl says :
[08:37] <bLaZeD> Package tcl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:37] <bLaZeD> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:37] <bLaZeD> is only available from another source
[08:38] <BluesKaj> what is tcl ?
[08:38] <gemidjy> BluesKaj: well I need to compare something, not that I need to use them
[08:38] <gemidjy> scripting language
[08:38] <bLaZeD> BluesKaj, its a programing langue
[08:39] <BonBonTheJon> !tcl
[08:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tcl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <bLaZeD> !info tcl
[08:39] <ubotu> Package tcl does not exist in any distro I know
[08:39] <bLaZeD> umm yes it does
[08:39] <BluesKaj> oh, something i won' t be using in the near future or prolly never
[08:39] <bLaZeD> u silly bot'
[08:39] <JosefK> !info tcl8.0
[08:39] <ndc> Package tcl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:39] <ubotu> tcl8.0: Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.0 - run-time files. In component main, is extra. Version 8.0.5-8.1 (dapper), package size 314 kB, installed size 792 kB
[08:40] <bLaZeD> ahh cool imma go give it a whirl
[08:42] <Vegeta^> fdoving: Thanks, it worked that way. Btw how do I install plugins manually? It fails to it auto and says "Permission denied".
[08:42] <rag> JosefK: where is you from?
[08:42] <JosefK> rag: from the UK, how come?
[08:43] <rag> JosefK: spanish boy
[08:43] <JosefK> rag: heh, nah, the name's from Kafka, the protagonist in "The Trial"
[08:43] <rag> JosefK: do you know gentoo?
[08:43] <JosefK> rag: I tried it once, but figured I could achieve the same level of interest by watching 'cat /dev/random' for a few hours
[08:44] <fdoving> Vegeta^: don't know.
[08:44] <rag> JosefK: its goo
[08:44] <rag> JosefK: its good
[08:44] <rag> JosefK: bye Jose and thx!
[08:44] <JosefK> rag: yeah, it looks like it, unfortunately I don't have the free time :) np's, and good luck
[08:45] <jarn> I'm trying to kill something and, even after I kill it, it doesn't kill.   Thanks!
[08:47] <JosefK> jarn: zombie's are a whole different cake though, you have to kill the parent (think alien), or they'll keep coming back - np's :)
[08:48] <LjL> omg zombies, aliens...
[08:48] <rag> JosefK: gentoo safe time for you :)
[08:49] <rag> JosefK: i doubt , ubuntu is open source, true? or free software?
[08:49] <boguh> just installed kubuntu and now cant listen mp3 files, what went wrong?
[08:50] <JosefK> rag: free software, although some non-free is distributed on the installation CDs these days
[08:50] <brainwashed> boguh: Nothing, It's supposed not to support mp3 out of the box.
[08:50] <jarn> How do I check the permissions on things?
[08:50] <BonBonTheJon> boguh: you need to install support for mp3
[08:50] <JosefK> !multiverse > boguh
[08:50] <B-Minus> whats the command again to check kernel version ?
[08:50] <JosefK> !mp3 > boguh
[08:50] <BonBonTheJon> B-Minus: 'uname -r'
[08:50] <B-Minus> tnx
[08:52] <fdoving> jarn: 'ls -l /path/to/thing' or rightclick -> properties in konqueror.
[08:52] <fdoving> jarn: or 'stat /path/to/thing' in konsole.
[08:53] <BonBonTheJon> boguh: did you get it working
[08:54] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: you can get themes from kde-loo.org
[08:54] <yokobr> but how do i install them???
[08:54] <jarn> fdoving: Thanks. How do I change the permissions?
[08:54] <BonBonTheJon> jarn: chmod
[08:54] <fdoving> jarn: use konqueror -> properties, or 'chmod' on the commandline.
[08:56] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: icons go in /usr/share/icons
[08:57] <exhale> does kubuntu allow root to run X programs via the terminal by default?
[08:57] <yokobr> i want to add themes, like window decorations , but i dont know how to install
[08:58] <jarn> !chmod
[08:58] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[08:58] <fdoving> exhale: not without 'kdesu'.
[08:59] <fdoving> exhale: you would need to run 'xhost local:' as the user running the xserver, to allow other local connections to the xserver.
[08:59] <jarn> How do I make links clicked on Konversation open in a tab the Konqueror window I already have open rather than opening a new one?
[08:59] <fdoving> exhale: you can also restrict that to just root if you want.
[08:59] <exhale> ah.. thanks. that cleared up alot of issues for me. how come ubuntu allows it?
[09:00] <fdoving> exhale: do they? don't know. not familiar with the ubuntu ways of doing stuff.
[09:00] <exhale> yea it does... weird
[09:01] <jarn> How do I change the owner of a file?
[09:02] <JosefK> jarn: chown, or from Konqueror again
[09:02] <jarn> JosefK: Thanks!
[09:04] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: look for themes that are packaged as .deb
[09:05] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: then install them 'sudo dpkg -i file.deb'
[09:05] <ricardo> has anybody tried edgy yet?
[09:05] <zorglu_> i would bet some have :)
[09:05] <DjDarkman> I`m updating to edgy right now :)
[09:05] <JosefK> I'm using it right now :)
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Edgy RC is out
[09:05] <BluesKaj> why not wait til next thurs?
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm on edgy Beta
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> about to update
[09:05] <JosefK> it been uploaded to FTP servers Admiral?  nice
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> JosefK: let me check
[09:06] <ricardo> would you say its a safe bet? im using my laptop to work....
[09:06] <JosefK> Admiral_Chicago: yes, it's at http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[09:06] <BonBonTheJon> yokobr: you can install some themes from the repositories
[09:07] <Admiral_Chicago> JosefK: it's not on kubuntu.org yet.
[09:07] <B-Minus> !register
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[09:07] <zorglu_> ricardo: it is up to your own estimation, personnaly i am using my computer to work as well and planned not to update to edgy. but other may say it is a 'safe bet'
[09:07] <ricardo> Admiral_Chicago: thx....
[09:07] <cpk2> BluesKaj: its next friday =P
[09:08] <ricardo> zorglu_: thank...but youre not quite answering my question ;op
[09:08] <michal_> helo all
[09:08] <cpk2> ricardo: edgy is currently beta, if you think using beta is a safe bet...
[09:08] <zorglu_> ricardo: well i did said that in *my* estimation for *my* need, it is not :)
[09:08] <boguh> BonBonTheJon amarok still doenst play mp3
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> cpk2: now it's an RC
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> pretty much stable except for last minute bug fikes
[09:09] <ricardo> ok...so ill wait a bit longer then......cant hold myself!!!
[09:09] <BonBonTheJon> !mp3
[09:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:09] <BluesKaj> cpk2: next thurs is the 26th
[09:09] <TheGateKeeper> BonBonTheJon: dapper or edgy?
[09:09] <cpk2> BluesKaj: so it is, i just noticed i wrote edgy on my wall calendar on the wrong day
[09:09] <cpk2> hehe
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know the status on python
[09:10] <BluesKaj> where i live it is anyway :)
[09:10] <zorglu_> ricardo: an alternative would be to install is on a alternative computer/partition to test its stability and switch it as usual envirtonement once you estimate it stable enougth
[09:10] <BonBonTheJon> TheGateKeeper: I have dapper
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> and why those packages are being held back still
[09:10] <barktpolar> Is it OK to install Kubuntu inot a USB HD
[09:10] <barktpolar> into*
[09:10] <JosefK> Admiral_Chicago: python25's in edgy
[09:10] <zorglu_> ricardo: it is what i plan to do in a 3-5 months, but appenrently i dont feel the same urge as you :)
[09:10] <ricardo> zorglu_: ok..i thnk ill wait.....(damn!)
[09:11] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: it probably is not a viable option
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> JosefK: my apt is still holding back about 20 odd pacakages
[09:11] <TheGateKeeper> BonBonTheJon: use the xine engine in amarok & libxine-extracodecs & mp3 should work fine, they do on mine
[09:11] <barktpolar> viable option???
[09:11] <TheGateKeeper> !libxine-extracodecs
[09:11] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[09:11] <TheGateKeeper> BonBonTheJon: ^^^^
[09:11] <BonBonTheJon> boguh: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[09:11] <barktpolar> WHat does viable mean?
[09:11] <htraki> I think U should try MPlayer
[09:12] <odla> what's the defualt kwin style in kubuntu edgy?
[09:12] <JosefK> !dict viable
[09:12] <ubotu> dict: Dictionary Client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.10.2-3 (dapper), package size 72 kB, installed size 228 kB
[09:12] <JosefK> shameful :(
[09:12] <Durman>
[09:12] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: I mean, it would be so slow it wouldn't be very useful
[09:12] <barktpolar> WHat about Ubuntu
[09:12] <BluesKaj> latestest amarok release and repos www.imbrandon.com
[09:12] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: they are about the same size
[09:13] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: you can try it, and come and tell us how it works
[09:13] <JosefK> odla: it's plastik for windows/controls, with a kind of purple (not a fan) default colour
[09:13] <barktpolar> I'll have to do that with windows then
[09:13] <odla> JosefK: so is that the windows decorator is plastik?
[09:14] <JosefK> odla: yes, and the style
[09:14] <odla> ok
[09:14] <odla> thanks
[09:14] <B-Minus> f
[09:14] <JosefK> np, I think there was some discussion about changing style to lipstik, but I don't know if that'll get done before release
[09:15] <barktpolar> My Mom does not want the internet enabled with Kubuntu
 My Mom does not want the internet enabled with Kubuntu <- what do you mean ?
[09:15] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: may i ask why
[09:16] <barktpolar> She said that Ubuntu ruinedour dial-up once and we had to get it back
[09:16] <shanky> how could I change the codificacion from utf-8 to iso8859-15 in the whole kubuntu?
[09:16] <JosefK> shanky: advanced mode on the alternate installer, not sure how/if you can do it on an already installed system though
[09:17] <zorglu_> barktpolar: is she working with computer ? i mean is she just repeating what isp told her ? or she may have actual knowledge
[09:17] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: you can take out the hard drive and install it in your computer, then set up dual boot so you have linux and windows
[09:17] <zorglu_> what am doing?
[09:17] <barktpolar> She is a basic user
[09:17] <JosefK> maybe Ubuntu didn't have an AOL icon?  that's my guess, at least
[09:17] <barktpolar> I'm installing it in the USB HD cause I have Win2k inthe main driv eand I don't want to remove it
[09:18] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: you can switch between them
[09:18] <barktpolar> I am, I'm dual-booting
[09:18] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: Win2k and ...
[09:18] <barktpolar> Kubuntu in USB HD, Windows in Main Drive
[09:18] <barktpolar> or Ubuntu or SLAX
[09:19] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: if you put both drives in the computer, you can pick which you want to boot when the computer turns on
[09:19] <ricanelite> Hello, I have a HP All-in-one Printer 1410 series. How can I get it working on Ubuntu? Because I went to System Settings. But when I try to print out a Test Page it says it went through but my printer does not do anything
[09:19] <barktpolar> What about GRUB, Is theer a option to put it in the main drive
[09:20] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: yes, grub can go on the main drive
[09:20] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon:  barktpolar: maybe the bios already allows to boot on usb disk if they are availble ?
[09:20] <barktpolar> No it does'nt
[09:20] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: he's running Win2k, did they support boot from usb back then
[09:20] <barktpolar> I'm going to go now, I'm going to install Kubuntu
[09:20] <zorglu_> ok
[09:20] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: where
[09:21] <barktpolar> The USB HD
[09:21] <barktpolar> I'll let you know what happens
[09:21] <BonBonTheJon> barktpolar: are you sure you can boot from usb
[09:21] <zorglu_> another possibility would be to use a cd to boot on the usb disk
[09:21] <zorglu_> just trying to find way to avoid modification of the main disk and thus avoid triggering the mom's fear
[09:21] <BonBonTheJon> yeah, but he could put the second hard drive in the computer and use grub to pick
[09:21] <cpk2> or new(er) firmware
[09:22] <BonBonTheJon> if grub goes in the mbr, and she doesn't like it, the windows cd can fix the mbr
[09:22] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon: clearly, but seeing grub everytime you switch on the box may increase the fear
[09:23] <zorglu_> maybe a 'hiddenmenu' with a short timeout :))))))) like a sneaky one :)
[09:23] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: yeah, that would be good
[09:23] <cpk2> he should leave the livecd in and see what happens when mom boots up the comp and kubuntu starts >=)
[09:23] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: do you think running off a usb hd would work fast enough
[09:23] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: my laptop has no internal drives and seems fine with kubuntu
[09:24] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon: from a disk bandwidth you mean ? i dunno. yep i think it will be very usable
[09:24] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: it seems like usb would be too slow
[09:24] <zorglu_> cpk2: a laptop without internal drive ? which kind of beast is this
[09:24] <cpk2> zorglu_: an injured one whose internal drive died =(
[09:25] <cpk2> its way cheaper to by a standard desktop internal and case for it
[09:25] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon: my usb disk are faster than my laptop internal one. so it is up to his own hardware
[09:25] <cpk2> whats a usb 2.0 bandwidth?
[09:25] <zorglu_> cpk2: i see..
[09:26] <BonBonTheJon> does any one have any ideas on how i can get better resolution on a laptop with a buil in card
[09:26] <zorglu_> i dunno about the nominal one, but i got 10mbyte/s from my usb2.0 disks
[09:26] <hammer> It's me again!
[09:26] <zorglu_> !resolution
[09:26] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:26] <BonBonTheJon> hi hammer
[09:26] <cpk2> so isnt that about how fast an average drive would write anyways?
[09:26] <hammer> i've removed kdelibs =D
[09:26] <zorglu_> BonBonTheJon: or if you have a 810 9xx intel there is a tool specific for it
[09:26] <apokryphos> hammer: nooo!
[09:26] <hammer> how to fix it from cd?
[09:27] <BonBonTheJon> zorglu_: my lcd and card only go up to 1024
[09:27] <zorglu_> cpk2: i dunno... it is normal
[09:27] <hammer> apokryphos: actually, it wasn't me but anyway =)
[09:27] <apokryphos> hammer: if the CD isn't a source already in your sources.list, you'll have to re-add it (should be /msg ubotu cd or apt) and then reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[09:27] <JosefK> !915resolution
[09:27] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: 1024 x ????
[09:27] <ubotu> 915resolution: resolution modify tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 13 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386)
[09:28] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: 1024 x 768
[09:28] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: and you cant get that right now?
[09:28] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: I can, but i want better :)
[09:28] <hammer> apokryphos: i can't launch konqueror =)
[09:29] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: you just said thats all your card and lcd can do?
[09:29] <apokryphos> hammer: well check your sources.list from the terminal
[09:29] <apokryphos> hammer: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:29] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: is there some kind of add on graphics card i could use
[09:29] <trappist> this is awesome.  I just mounted an smb share and when I ls -l the mountpoint, it looks like this: ?--------- ? ? ? ?            ? michael
[09:29] <hammer> apokryphos: how do i add cd there?
[09:29] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: i'm just wondering
[09:29] <cpk2> hammer: you will have to do it all from command line if you cant get kde to start
[09:30] <hammer> cpk2: what should i add to sources list?
[09:30] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: you might be able to upgrade your video card, but if your current hw only allows you to go to 1024x 768 you shouldnt try forcing it higher
[09:30] <hammer> console isn't so much trouble =)
[09:30] <cpk2> hammer: you can still acess the internet right?
[09:31] <hammer> cpk2: but w/o browser =)
[09:31] <cpk2> hammer: then just apt-get everything you need
[09:31] <hammer> so i cant google or something
[09:31] <cpk2> shouldnt be hard at all
[09:31] <JosefK> hammer: links2 ;)
[09:31] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: install lynx
[09:31] <BonBonTheJon> !lynx
[09:31] <ubotu> Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK), Opera (Qt), Konqueror (KDE/Qt), Links (terminal-based). HTTP servers: apache2
[09:31] <JosefK> !links2
[09:31] <hammer> cpk2: i'm on dial up. 18mb is too much =)
[09:31] <BonBonTheJon> that didn't help
[09:32] <BonBonTheJon> hammer: look into apt-cdrom
[09:32] <JosefK> hammer: or apt-zip, if you have access to broadband somewhere
[09:32] <chx> is there a way to limit applications CPU usage?
[09:32] <apokryphos> hammer: a simple "apt-cdrom add" should do it (make sure you have the appropriate Ubuntu cd in the drive)
[09:33] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: now, if your hardware supports higher resolutions and kde isnt letting you pipck them then its a different story
[09:33] <BonBonTheJon> nope, i'm maxed out
[09:33] <JosefK> chx: not as such (that I know of), but you can use 'nice' to change its scheduling priority
[09:33] <zorglu_> chx: 'nice' is a command line tool for it, process accounting is another one but much harder to setup
[09:33] <BonBonTheJon> cpk2: i bought the laptop as they were ending the model, so it was old when i go it
[09:34] <chx> zorglu_: I am not afraid of hard to setup :)
[09:34] <hammer> apokryphos: right. and how do i tell apt-get to get all i need from CD, not from the internet?
[09:34] <hammer> apokryphos: i've added cd
[09:34] <apokryphos> hammer: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:34] <apokryphos> and comment out all the non-CD sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:34] <apokryphos> (first)
[09:34] <zorglu_> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Process-Accounting/index.html <- chx go ahead then :) the doc is old but you will have the basis to go further
[09:35] <apokryphos> you'll also have to do sudo apt-get update after that
[09:35] <mietek> 1741288
[09:35] <chx> zorglu_: this is not old, this is ancient
[09:37] <cpk2> chx: nah ancient would be early 90's =)
[09:37] <JosefK> is accounting even enabled in the generic Ubuntu kernels?
[09:37] <chx> whee Edgy RC
[09:37] <JosefK> heh, so it is "CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT_V3=y"
[09:40] <zorglu_> chx: you could try 'ulimit' stuff then
[09:40] <chx> No manual entry for ulimit
[09:42] <chx> zorglu_: http://www.ss64.com/bash/ulimit.html this tells me that " The maximum amount of cpu time in seconds. " but I need percent
[09:42] <chx> some of my processes (web browser...) run for weeks
[09:42] <trappist> is ssh://hostname supposed to open a console window, or a file manager in konqueror?
[09:43] <zorglu_> hmmmmm
[09:43] <hammer> oh man...
[09:43] <zorglu_> chx: maybe playing with the RT_SCHEDULER
[09:43] <hammer> it doesn't find kdelibs-bin on cd...
[09:43] <chx> zorglu_: thanks for your patience and kind help
[09:44] <zorglu_> np, next time you want unconclusive answer, think about me :)
[09:45] <cpk2> is kdelibs-bin old now anyways?
[09:45] <cpk2> hammer: just do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:45] <hammer> cpk2: what do you mean&
[09:45] <hammer> cpk2: no candidates to do this... (my translation of it's words =)
[09:46] <cpk2> hammer: i dont think we use kdelibs-bin anymore, just do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <cpk2> hammer: no kubuntu-desktop?
[09:46] <chx> zorglu_: what should I RTFM about RT_SCHEDULER? Googling did not help
[09:46] <hammer> cpk2: yep
[09:46] <cpk2> hammer: after adding the cd did you do apt-get update?
[09:47] <zorglu_> chx: i googled a bit without much success either... i guess i lack the proper keyword, the code is calling it rt_sched
[09:47] <cpk2> hammer: yup just what i thought I dont have kdelibs-bin installed on my box
[09:48] <hammer> cpk2: yep
[09:48] <hammer> cpk2: it says, that package is unavailable, old or not found =) but is mentioned in deps list of other packages (hope u understand me=)
[09:49] <cpk2> hammer: what else did you remove besides kdelibs-bin? since removing that shouldnt of broken anything
[09:49] <chx> zorglu_: look http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/cpulimit
[09:50] <NickNak> trappist: ssh://hostname gives a console fish://hostname gives a file manager window using ssh
[09:50] <B-Minus> i cant make my kde menu transparant ??
[09:50] <hammer> cpk2: actually, i wanted to install kamera =) and before it downloaded any packages it removed previous... so if there's a log or something then i can tell u
[09:50] <B-Minus> i could do that in previous versions of kde
[09:50] <B-Minus> they disabled the option ?
[09:51] <cpk2> hammer: try apt-get -f install
[09:51] <hammer> cpk2: already tried. it wants to remove ALL packages %)
[09:52] <cpk2> hammer: ALL? or just alot? does it want to install anything?
[09:52] <hammer> cpk2: nop
[09:52] <cpk2> nope? nope to which question?
[09:52] <hammer> cpk2: nothing to install, upgrade or download
[09:53] <hammer> cpk2: remove only =) and this will free 400mb
[09:54] <zorglu_> chx: hehe :) just looked at the source. it is quite a kludge using SIGCONT/SIGSTOP :)))) might do the job fine for you tho
[09:54] <trappist> NickNak: ah thanks - also I just saw that sftp also gives a file manager window
[09:54] <Frederick> folks why in hell eclipse has mozilla as a dependencie?
[09:54] <hammer> cpk2: i've commented out all but cdrom in sources.list
[09:55] <cpk2> hammer: try enabling your other repos again and then doing apt-get update and then apt-get -f install
[09:55] <apokryphos> hammer: so all you need to do is sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:55] <hammer> cpk2: it suggests me to download and install kdelibs-bin =)
[09:55] <leonardo> ciao a tutti
[09:56] <cpk2> hammer: well then maybe you should lol
[09:56] <apokryphos> hammer: well, it's quite a different issue if you installed packs from the Internet, which is a different matter
[09:56] <hammer> cpk2: aaa blin...
[09:56] <cpk2> ??
[09:56] <leonardo> ce quakche italiano?
[09:57] <zorglu_> !it
[09:57] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:57] <hammer> apokryphos: i've installed it today from cd.
[09:57] <apokryphos> hammer: so do the command I just said and tell me the output
[09:57] <hammer> apokryphos: it's in russian =)
[09:57] <B-Minus> hmmz, anyone know if its still possible in kde to make the kmenu transparant?
[09:57] <apokryphos> hammer: can you translate it?
[09:57] <leonardo> grazie
[09:58] <hammer> apokryphos: i'll do my best =)
[09:58] <cpk2> apokryphos: apparently the cd doesnt have kubuntu-desktop as a repo
[09:58] <jpiccolo> is it safe to install xp on a partition?
[09:58] <jpiccolo> or is it going to mess up my linux?
[09:58] <apokryphos> cpk2: it's definitely on the disk
[09:58] <chx> zorglu_: I have installed cpulimit from source works very, very OK minor problem, can't be bg 'd , started screen and solved that, too
[09:58] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: if its a different partition it will be perfectly safe
[09:59] <chx> zorglu_: so when the next person comes , that's the answer
[09:59] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: you might have some trouble with grub afterwards
[09:59] <cpk2> BonBonTheJon: but it might ruin his grub =\
[09:59] <zorglu_> chx: noted :)
[09:59] <chx> machine is snappy again
[09:59] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: but you can fix it
[09:59] <chx> happy, happy, joy, joy :)
[09:59] <apokryphos> jpiccolo: it will mess with it, but if you follow the FAQ instructions you should be ok
[09:59] <hammer> apokryphos: so, it says that kubuntu-desktop is unavailable, but is mentioned in dependencies list of other packages
[10:00] <BonBonTheJon> apokryphos: what is the address of the FAQ
[10:00] <zorglu_> !mdr
[10:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <zorglu_> !mbr
[10:00] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:00] <apokryphos> hammer: it's definitely a Kubuntu CD?
[10:00] <zorglu_> jpiccolo: the above link is for you
[10:00] <apokryphos> BonBonTheJon: in the topic
[10:00] <BonBonTheJon> there we go
[10:00] <hammer> apokryphos: well, it's blue, and it has a title KUBUNTU on it =)
[10:01] <jpiccolo> the partition that i am going to be installing on is a different hd than my hd with linux on it
[10:01] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: thats fine
[10:01] <hammer> apokryphos: and i've installed everything from this cd
[10:01] <jpiccolo> but that hd is divided for file storage
[10:01] <apokryphos> hammer: what about sudo apt-get install amarok?
[10:01] <jpiccolo> i will still have to edit grub right?
[10:02] <BonBonTheJon> jpiccolo: follow the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:02] <jpiccolo> got it, thanks
[10:02] <hammer> apokryphos: it says, i need kdelibs4c2a and this requires kdelibs-bin which cannot be installed =)
[10:03] <apokryphos> looks like you did more than just remove kdelibs
[10:03] <hammer> apokryphos: no, it wasn't me =)
[10:03] <apokryphos> hammer: either way
[10:04] <hammer> apokryphos: format c: | enter =)
[10:04] <apokryphos> hammer: it's going to be fixable but not really easy, if you just installed today I recommend reinstalling
[10:04] <apokryphos> fixable = presumably
[10:04] <hammer> apokryphos: windoze way =)
[10:05] <apokryphos> unfortunately, yes
[10:05] <yokobr> ksudo?
[10:05] <zorglu_> yokobr: kdesu
[10:05] <apokryphos> yokobr: kdesu, probably
[10:05] <yokobr> thanx
[10:05] <hammer> apokryphos: am i able to install packages regardless their deps?
[10:06] <apokryphos> sometimes, but it'll generally create a lot more problems than solutions for more than a few packages (as in your case)
[10:07] <cpk2> apokryphos: the thing is that kdelibs-bin isnt used anymore
[10:07] <apokryphos> cpk2: but why would that matter?
[10:07] <cpk2> apokryphos: he shouldnt even need  it
[10:07] <apokryphos> I presume he's got a dapper CD, anyhow -- hammer: right?
[10:07] <hammer> apokryphos: right!
[10:07] <apokryphos> Hallonen: do not do that
[10:08] <hammer> apokryphos: all su commands complain "Conversation with su failed."
[10:08] <cpk2> hammer: also you could try the russian channel so the directions might be more clear =)
[10:09] <apokryphos> hammer: you shouldn't be using su, only sudo
[10:09] <hammer> cpk2: i understand everything, the thing is do you understand me? =)
[10:09] <hammer> apokryphos: i mean, when i try to launch adept or something
[10:09] <apokryphos> hammer: that's because you don't have kdelibs/base then, for sure
[10:10] <apokryphos> you won't have kdesu if you don't have those
[10:10] <Ash-Fox> !broadcom
[10:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:11] <BonBonTheJon> !pastebin > bonbonthejon
[10:11] <cpk2> hammer: can you get kdelibs-data
[10:11] <jende> cpk2: howdy
[10:11] <cpk2> jende: afternoon =)
[10:12] <jende> cpk2: good evening, as it is a bit past 10pm here
[10:12] <hammer> cpk2: i have it installed
[10:12] <jende> cpk2: whats the prob with 'hammer'?
[10:13] <cpk2> jende: ah you are  2 hours ahead utc time?
[10:13] <jende> cpk2: yep
[10:13] <cpk2> jende: he removed kdelibs-bin which apparently broke kde
[10:13] <cpk2> even though kdelibs-bin isnt used anymore
[10:14] <jende> cpk2: true
[10:14] <hammer>  #ubuntu-ru is dead =)
[10:14] <cpk2> some channels need patience =P
[10:15] <jende> cpk2: as long as he is on universe multiverse it hasn't benn used, if he is just on the standard repos he might still nedd the kdelibs-bin, AFAIR!
[10:15] <cpk2> jende: that might be it
[10:15] <jende> hammer: can ypu pastebin your sources.list?
[10:15] <jende> !pastebin
[10:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:16] <cpk2> but kdelibs-bin doesnt seem to want to install for him =\
[10:16] <jende> cpk2: really?
[10:16] <hammer> jende: there's only one line
[10:16] <JosefK> time to give the RC a try, bbl ^^
[10:16] <jende> hammer: in where?in the sources.list?
[10:17] <hammer> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release amd64 (20060531)] / dapper main restricted
[10:17] <jende> hammer: okay, are you with a LiveCD right now?
[10:17] <hammer> jende: you mean do i run livecd or do i have one?
[10:18] <jende> hammer: do you run
[10:18] <cpk2> hammer: did kde start without kdelibs-bin?
[10:18] <jende> cpk2: what if we sent hammer into a chroot?do you think he can manage that?
[10:19] <ashwin_> hey guys is there any way to look at the process is using network resources?????
[10:19] <cpk2> as long as nothing gets lost in translation =)
[10:19] <jende> ashwin_: sudo netstat
[10:19] <hammer> cpk2: i didn't reboot since i've removed pack
[10:19] <ashwin_> oh shit yeah...i forgot thanks hammer
[10:19] <cpk2> hammer: so kde is still running?
[10:20] <jende> hammer: do you know what a *chroot* is?
[10:20] <jende> ashwin_: I'm not hammer
[10:20] <hammer> cpk2: yep
[10:20] <hammer> jende: nope
[10:20] <joscha_> ashwin_: i don't understand your question but lsof could be your friend
[10:21] <cpk2> aha
[10:21] <cpk2> i think i found it
[10:21] <ashwin_> mmmmm never heard of it let me try that
[10:21] <cpk2> hammer: try to get kdebase-bin
[10:21] <hammer> cpk2: %)
[10:21] <cpk2> which seems to have replaced kdelibs-bin
[10:21] <freechelmi> Hi all : anyone knows about problem with knetworkmanager
[10:22] <freechelmi> with dapper ? it says it did not detect any interfaces weird ?
[10:22] <jende> hammer: open a console using the keys ALT+F2
[10:22] <hammer> jende: don't be so verbose =)
[10:22] <BonBonTheJon> freechelmi: i have that problem some times, give it a minute and it might recognize them
[10:22] <jende> hammer: and then type sudo apt-get install kdelibs-bin
[10:22] <gloria49> hola
[10:22] <jende> hammer: i'm not verbose
[10:22] <hammer> jende: it's already installed =)
[10:22] <cpk2> jende: dont worry he knows how to install apps =P
[10:23] <cpk2> hammer: kdebase-bin is installed?
[10:23] <gloria49> hola
[10:23] <jende> cpk2: okay
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> !es
[10:23] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:23] <freechelmi> BonBonTheJon :thanks but it just stays like that
[10:23] <hammer> cpk2: yesssss
[10:24] <jende> hammer: is kdelibs-data installes as well?
[10:24] <jende> hammer: is kdelibs-data installed as well?
[10:24] <BonBonTheJon> freechelmi: what happens when you try the command 'ifconfig'
[10:24] <freechelmi> ifconfig is ok , I see my wireless and ethernet
[10:24] <freechelmi> when i launch knetwork manager with the console
[10:24] <freechelmi> it says the two Dbus commands are send
[10:24] <mikeeagles> Hey jende, you around?
[10:25] <jende> mikeeagles: yep
[10:25] <hammer> jende: yep
[10:25] <freechelmi> if there was  a dbus pb , it would tell
[10:25] <gloria49> hola
[10:25] <jende> cpk2: I think we should sent him into a chroot to get the system reconfigured
[10:25] <cpk2> jende: this is really odd =\
[10:25] <mikeeagles> My mp3's play now but I lost my internet connection altogether.
[10:25] <gloria49> soy nuevaa en linux
[10:25] <BonBonTheJon> !es > gloria49
[10:26] <cpk2> gloria49: este canal en ingles
[10:26] <gloria49> estoy experimentando
[10:26] <jende> !es
[10:26] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:26] <gloria49> asi veo
[10:26] <jende> !es
[10:26] <gloria49> ok gracias por laa informacion
[10:27] <mikeeagles> When I go the system - networking tool, the only connection device shown is the dialup modem.
[10:27] <mikeeagles> I don't have a dialup modem.
[10:27] <cpk2> i think my poor spanish shows that this is an english speaking channel too =P
[10:27] <jende> cpk2: lol
[10:28] <hammer> so guys, u wanna send me somewhere?
[10:28] <mikeeagles> It should show me either my isa network card or my wireless network card.
[10:28] <amido> sera
[10:28] <jende> cpk2: i think the best solution for 'hammer' would be to sent him ino chroot to get his system reconfigured
[10:28] <amido> qualche italiano?
[10:28] <cpk2> jende: sure
[10:28] <BonBonTheJon> !it > amido
[10:28] <jende> mikeeagles: open a console and tell us what sudo ifconfig tells you
[10:28] <amido> thanks
[10:29] <mikeeagles> Okay let me get that puter back up. Give me a few.
[10:29] <jende> hammer: reboot your system in recovery mode
[10:29] <BonBonTheJon> amido: if you have a question in english, we can help you
[10:29] <hammer> jende: oh man... )
[10:29] <silox> hey how do i Record VOIP (SIP) in Ubuntu Linux?
[10:30] <jende> hammer: then you might have to mount hda1 and then moount into chroot
[10:30] <hammer> and then?
[10:30] <amido> i have problems with libraries :(
[10:30] <jende> hammer: you know how to ount hda1?
[10:31] <jende> hammer: you know how to mount hda1?
[10:31] <hyper> anyone knows a site with router ram/flash specifics (for networked routers not wireless ones)
[10:31] <hammer> jende: yep
[10:32] <jende> hammer: cool, so to mount into chroot do this: mount /chroot /mnt
[10:32] <cpk2> jende: maybe tell him how to join irc from recovery mode =P
[10:32] <amido> i have this problem --> http://phpfi.com/165512
[10:32] <amido> can anyone help me?
[10:33] <jende> hammer: and then do a apt-get -f install
[10:33] <jende> hammer: after that a dpkg --configure -a
[10:33] <hyper> amido: run that:  apt-get -f install
[10:33] <amido> done but there's an other error
[10:34] <amido> this: http://phpfi.com/165513
[10:34] <jende> hammer: then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:34] <jende> hammer: I hope you'll write all the steps down on a bit of paper
[10:34] <mikeeagles> I get lo link encap:local loopback
[10:34] <cpk2> amido: apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:34] <jende> mikeeagles: I'll be with you in a minute
[10:34] <hammer> i should keep everything commented out in sources.list, exept cdrom?
[10:35] <jende> hammer
[10:35] <jende> hammer: nope
[10:35] <amido> same error
[10:35] <amido> with dist-upgrade
[10:35] <amido> this is my sources.list --> http://phpfi.com/165514
[10:36] <jende> hammer: after you have reinstalled kubuntu-desktop make a apt-get install kde
[10:37] <fdoving> amido: what's the error?
[10:37] <Ash-Fox> !aiglx
[10:37] <ubotu> AIGLX ('Accelerated Indirect GLX') is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers.  Can somebody tell me how to switch input languages with CTRL+SHIFT. Tried with xkb options the gui way, but did not work.
[10:44] <jende> willwork4foo: the CD isn't that big, so it should be okay to download
[10:44] <fdoving> amido: in sources.list i suggest removing everything above the line "## Add comments (##) in front of any line to remove it from being checked."
[10:44] <willwork4foo> but the DVD is - with all the extra software :)
[10:44] <jende> willwork4foo: most of the stuff will be downloaded then anyway
[10:44] <willwork4foo> can that all be installed over the web once I've got a working system then
[10:45] <jende> willwork4foo: sure
[10:45] <willwork4foo> thing is - I've got an IBM Thinkpad X20 with no floppy drive or CDROM
[10:45] <willwork4foo> so PXE installs are the only option
[10:45] <willwork4foo> and I want kubuntu on there
[10:45] <cpk2> willwork4foo: you can actually get the iso then take out packages you dont want then burn that iso
[10:46] <cpk2> willwork4foo: you can install from usb or do a netinstall through your network
[10:46] <willwork4foo> cpk2: I actually am trying to do the opposite - install absolutely everything :)
[10:46] <mikeeagles> Not sure what you mean.
[10:46] <willwork4foo> cpk2: a netinstall is a PXE install mate.
[10:46] <amido> fdoving but this way i'll not resolve my problem...
[10:46] <jende> mikeeagles: type in the console lspci
[10:47] <cpk2> well sometimes i read without typing =P
[10:47] <cpk2> type without reading too
[10:47] <cpk2> and type without thinking apparently
[10:47] <jende> mikeeagles: will be back in a few mins...
[10:47] <mikeeagles> OKay.
[10:48] <Windwalker78> Does anybody know how to switch languages with CTRL+SHIFT?
[10:49] <Blacken> Hm, is there a way to run MSI files under WINE?
[10:50] <fdoving> amido: i think it can help.
[10:50] <fdoving> amido: if you do that, and then run 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -f install;sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade' i think you'll get somewhere.
[10:51] <Windwalker78> Blacken: msiexec was the command i think
[10:51] <Blacken> Windwalker78: Yeah, I had an attack of good sense and went and asked on #winehq. Thanks though. =)
[10:52] <Windwalker78>  Does anybody know how to switch languages with CTRL+SHIFT?
[10:52] <Electrolyte> I don't get it. i686 and k7 kernels make UT2004 run slower.
[10:53] <Electrolyte> i386 kernel is the fastest out of them :/
[10:54] <excitatory> Electrolyte: when you install 686 kernels, are you installing the linux-restricted-modules-686 package as well?
[10:54] <Electrolyte> Yup.
[10:55] <excitatory> is it just ut, or other applications
[10:55] <Electrolyte> Only UT2004.
[10:55] <Electrolyte> The frame rate drops quite dramatically on i686 and k7 compared to i386.
[10:57] <jende> mikeeagles: are you around?
[10:57] <mikeeagles> Yea
[10:58] <jende> mikeeagles: okay, is there a network device listen in 'lspci'?
[10:58] <jende> mikeeagles: okay, is there a network device listed in 'lspci'?
[10:59] <Electrolyte> excitatory: I would have though either i686 or k7 would be faster for my CPU.
[10:59] <mikeeagles> it shows bnetwork controller texas instruments acx 100 22mbps wireless interface as one of the devices.
[10:59] <excitatory> Electrolyte: what is your cpu?
[11:00] <Electrolyte> excitatory: AMD FX-55 ClawHammer @ 2.6GHZ
[11:00] <mikeeagles> I set this up once before and it showed these devices in network settings.
[11:01] <parsek> How can I add a hard disk to kubuntu (Its formatted NTFS)? There is some stuff I need so i dont want to format it again
[11:01] <jende> parsek:
[11:01] <jende> !ntfs
[11:01] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:01] <mikeeagles> ethos1
[11:01] <jarn> How do I change the group a file is owned by?
[11:01] <mikeeagles> sorry
[11:01] <jende> mikeeagles: what you gave me before was the output of ifconfig
[11:02] <fdoving> jarn: chgrp or konqueror -> properties.
[11:02] <mikeeagles> You said wait. There about 8 lines
[11:02] <jarn> fdoving: Thanks.
[11:02] <fdoving> jarn: you can also use 'chown user.group file'
[11:03] <mikeeagles> lo link encap:local Loopback
[11:03] <wimpies> I want to use bash instead of dash as shell. what is the correct (cleanest) way to do this ?
[11:03] <mikeeagles> inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS> Mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:03] <jende> mikeeagles: that is the output of 'ifcinfig'; I need the ouutput of 'lspci'
[11:04] <jarn> fdoving: Ah, thanks. I like that last one a lot more. ;)
[11:04] <mikeeagles> You want me to type it all here?
[11:04] <excitatory> Electrolyte: i wonder if you would have better luck with the linux-k7-smp, or linux-686-smp packages
[11:04] <excitatory> Electrolyte: but don't purge your working kernel right away, just in case it doesn't boot.
[11:04] <Electrolyte> They don't seem to appear in apt :(
[11:05] <Electrolyte> I have 3 kernels that work.
[11:05] <jende> mikeeagles: no, I want you to tell me, if you can, what network Interface got recognized by lspci
[11:05] <excitatory> Electrolyte: they exist.. how do you think i found them.
[11:05] <Splittor> i have a question.  All of a sudden it seems my color-coding in Konsole has disappeared, is there something I need to reset?
[11:05] <jende> mikeeagles: if you can't just pastebin the lot
[11:05] <jende> !pastebin
[11:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:05] <Electrolyte> excitatory: Ah, never mind - was searching wrong.
[11:06] <Electrolyte> Will try SMP - although it installs the same thing I already installed.
[11:06] <jende> fdoving: Howdy...!
[11:06] <fdoving> hi jende.
[11:06] <jende> fdoving: how are you?
[11:07] <excitatory> Electrolyte: otherwise, just go with 386.. 686 isn't even necessarily faster.  in fact, it's basically on par with 386 for most purposes.
[11:07] <Electrolyte> Ok, will be right back to try out k7.
[11:07] <volosolo> test
[11:07] <jende> mikeeagles: it should say something like Ethernet controller...bla...bla
[11:08] <fdoving> jende: fine, doing a test install of edgy rc. thanks, and what about you?
[11:08] <boguh> why dont i have the libxine-extracodecs package?
[11:08] <Windwalker78> Can somebody tell me how to switch languages with CTRL+SHIFT?
[11:08] <mikeeagles> 0000:00:0a.0 network controller texas instruments acx 100 22mbps wireless interface
[11:08] <cpk2> boguh: because you need to install it?
[11:08] <jende> mikeeagles: so there is no ethernet at all?
[11:09] <parsek> !ntfs??
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs?? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <jende> fdoving: busy again, I guesss
[11:09] <jende> parsek:
[11:09] <boguh> cpk2 aptitude search libxine-extracodecs, nothing
[11:09] <jende> !ntfs
[11:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:09] <BluesKaj> !NTFS
[11:09] <mikeeagles> It's actually None shown
[11:09] <nulix> hello ; I cannot get rid of a package declared as incoherent ; what can I do to clean this mess ? ; thanks
[11:09] <cpk2> !info libxine-extracodecs
[11:09] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[11:09] <cpk2> boguh: you need the multiverse repo enabled
[11:09] <parsek> !fuse
[11:09] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[11:09] <boguh> cpk2 think i do
[11:10] <cpk2> boguh: then try apt-get update first
[11:10] <jende> mikeeagles: it seems to be that your Network Interface dies
[11:10] <jende> mikeeagles: it seems to be that your Network Interface died
[11:10] <mikeeagles> How's that?
[11:11] <mikeeagles> I'm on this laptop on the same wireless network.
[11:11] <jende> mikeeagles: happens quite often as it is a massproduction low-budget kind of thing
[11:11] <mikeeagles> How do you get it back on?
[11:12] <osh_> Is there some applet or similar that shows the wireless signal strength? Something to have with the other small icons in the corner of the "kicker".
[11:12] <jende> mikeeagles: okay, to make sure whether it died or not, pastebin the output of lspci
[11:12] <jende> !pastebin
[11:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:13] <mikeeagles> What's that? It's not on this puter. How do I paste it here?
[11:14] <jende> mikeeagles: thats bit of prob then
[11:14] <larson999> lol@ the ntfs debate.  people scream on both sides.  it's safe! no it's not! yes it is!
[11:14] <volosolo> ci provo
[11:15] <BluesKaj> mikeeagles:  it's a website where you can copy text to and paste it there so that others can see it , without flooding this chat
[11:15] <jende> mikeeagles: lspci doesn't show anything like that: 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91)
[11:16] <jende> BluesKaj: Good evening buddy
[11:16] <BluesKaj> hiya jende ...how goes it / :)
[11:17] <jende> BluesKaj: not tooooooooo bad, though, yourself?
[11:17] <fdoving> mikeeagles: is it the wireless network that's not working?
[11:17] <BluesKaj> quite good thx , jende
[11:17] <mikeeagles> No, if it was that I wouldn't be here now.
[11:18] <grout_work> i have a php file i made just a simple hello world php app, i put it up on my lamp web server and it shows all the code.
[11:18] <jende> BluesKaj: thats good
[11:18] <Electrolyte> excitatory: k7-smp was slower again.
[11:18] <Electrolyte> excitatory: It seems i386 is the best one to use.
[11:18] <grout_work> http://grout.ws:85/downloads/Hello_world.php
[11:18] <Acidic32> grout_work u installed mod_php ?
[11:18] <mikeeagles> I'll do that paste thing but I'm a slow typer so give me a while to put it all in.
[11:18] <cpk2> 0000:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91) is what I have
[11:18] <cpk2> and it works just fine =P
[11:18] <grout_work> how can i tell if its installed?
[11:18] <BluesKaj> can't you copy and paste . mikeeagles ?
[11:18] <jende> cpk2: so does mine...hehe
[11:19] <jende> BluesKaj: nope, he is on a different box
[11:19] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:19] <BluesKaj> gotcha
[11:19] <excitatory> Electrolyte: yes, i suppose it is.
[11:19] <jende> BluesKaj: got to go for a sec...grab a new mug of coffeeeee
[11:20] <grout_work> i have ubuntu center and phpmuadmin and it all works fine
[11:24] <lele_> sera
[11:24] <jende> grout_work: you will need to get your "Hello world!" the mod_php libs as well
[11:24] <jende> mikeeagles: I'm back
[11:24] <jende> BluesKaj: strong and black...yummie
[11:26] <BluesKaj> jende , are you in  Germany  ?...I'm in Canada, 300km North of Toronto
[11:26] <jende> BluesKaj: yep, unforzunately I'm grounded in germany
[11:26] <jende> BluesKaj: yep, unfortunately I'm grounded in germany
[11:27] <BluesKaj> what's unfortunate , good ppl , good food , good roads , and best of all GOOD BEER! :)
[11:27] <jende> BluesKaj: you don't have a job vacant for linuxer in CDN?
[11:28] <BluesKaj> and of course good women !
[11:28] <fdoving> !offtopic
[11:28] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:28] <fdoving> :)
[11:28] <wimpies> does dash support arrays ? I get a syntax error when doing x=( `ls` )
[11:28] <BluesKaj> oh, there prolly is vacancies yes
[11:28] <jende> BluesKaj: ppl were good, yrs ago, good food...you must be joking...and yep the beer is still lovely
[11:29] <BluesKaj> fdoving:  don't be such a such a putz!
[11:29] <norman> is there a kubuntu version for limewire
[11:30] <fdoving> !frostwire > norman
[11:30] <BluesKaj> well, beer is important for linux lovers :)
[11:30] <BluesKaj> !beer
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <jende> fdoving: I think that we / I do have the right to talk about not related (K)ubuntu stuff after giving support for 10-12hours
[11:31] <fdoving> jende: sure, in #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:31] <BluesKaj> it's good know ppl who are helping you ...makes for better understandings
[11:31] <jende> fdoving: come on, we help in here with getting canon printer drivers installed, so we will not mess the channel up anyway, okay
[11:32] <mikeeagles> Okay, I pasted that info as you requested.
[11:33] <fdoving> jende: i know you help in here, but that doesn't make you immune to the rules.
[11:33] <jende> fdoving: I haven't said beig immune
[11:33] <jende> fdoving: I haven't said being immune
[11:34] <jende> fdoving: I just said 2-3 words or sentencese in offtopic shouldn't bother anyone
[11:34] <fdoving> jende: others will ask why you can talk about non-support issues, and they can't. so #kubuntu-offtopic for non-support stuff. thanks for understanding. :)
[11:34] <cpk2> apparently jende's computer isnt immune to up-arrow enter either =P
[11:35] <mikeeagles> Hey jende, I was just trying this out on a small hard drive which is running out of space. I have a new drive. Should I just reinstall on that?
[11:35] <grout> how can i tell if php_mod is installed?
[11:35] <jende> mikeeagles: yep
[11:35] <cpk2> grout: apt-cache policy php_mod
[11:35] <mikeeagles> And can I put both this and windows on the same drive, different partitions? If so, which should I install first.
[11:36] <cpk2> mikeeagles: you could just move /home to the new drive probably
[11:36] <cpk2> mikeeagles: windows first for less headaches
[11:36] <grout> says unable to locate php_mod
[11:36] <jende> @ I'm sorry that I might have not respectes the rules ant talked to Blueskaj privately!Won't happen again!
[11:36] <grout> so how do i install php_mod?
[11:36] <mikeeagles> But that won't correct my network problem cpk2.
[11:37] <mikeeagles> Aw, what's wrong with talking privately?
[11:37] <bLaZeD> how do i change the default boot level so it doesnt boot to gui(i think gui is runlevel 5 (init 5) )?
[11:37] <jende> mikeeagles: it's offtopuc, so it Shouldn't be made in here
[11:37] <cpk2> grout: php_mod doesnt exist =P
[11:37] <jende> mikeeagles: it's offtopic, so it Shouldn't be made in here
[11:38] <grout> cpk2: what do u mean
[11:38] <mikeeagles> But it's okay if it's on topic?
[11:38] <fdoving> bLaZeD: you don't want to change the runlevel, you want to disable kdm at startup. from konsole run 'sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove' to disable. to re-enable run 'sudo update-rc.d kdm defaults'
[11:38] <jende> mikeeagles: sure is
[11:38] <Wikipedia-Gast83> I have a question
[11:38] <bLaZeD> fdoving, and that wont start any gui at boot?
[11:38] <cpk2> grout: what are you looking for?
[11:38] <fdoving> bLaZeD: correct.
[11:38] <jende> Wikipedia-Gast83: tell us your question
[11:38] <bLaZeD> fdoving, awsome man thanks =)
[11:39] <cpk2> explain it in different words besides php_mod
[11:39] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what should I ask?
[11:39] <fdoving> bLaZeD: save the re-enable command in a text-file for later use :)
[11:39] <jende> Wikipedia-Gast83: you came along asking to ask question, so...just ask!
[11:40] <Wikipedia-Gast83> ask what, jende?
[11:40] <bLaZeD> fdoving, lol....as i paste it into my kubunu.txt file(that has all kubuntu releated stuff in it)
[11:40] <mikeeagles> Did you get the lspci info I posted?
[11:40] <bLaZeD> ;)
[11:40] <edrex> google comes up with nothing helpful for a problem I'm having with mediamanager/hal
[11:40] <jende> mikeeagles: nope, cause you haven't gave me the URL, my friend
[11:40] <fdoving> bLaZeD: good :)
[11:41] <jende> fdoving: accepted my excuse?
[11:41] <Wikipedia-Gast83> I want to ask a question
[11:41] <mikeeagles> 27382
[11:41] <jende> !ask
[11:41] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:41] <edrex> I have a USB IDE enclosure with drive. hal detects it and pmount will mount the several partitions, but they don't show up in media:/ (KDE)
[11:41] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what question, ubotu?
[11:41] <fdoving> jende: of course :)
[11:42] <cpk2> Wikipedia-Gast83: unfortunately we arent mind readers so you actually need to tell us what you want =P
[11:42] <edrex> what dictates which devices/partitions show up in media:/ ?
[11:42] <steveire> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=278632&page=2 <<< Anyone have an idea how to access proxy configuration from the cli?
[11:42] <apokryphos> edrex: a combination of DBUS and HAL
[11:43] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what shall I tell you? I just want to ask a question
[11:43] <edrex> can I modify the behavior somewhere?
[11:43] <Kyral> Oh god this guy is here too?
[11:43] <cpk2> Wikipedia-Gast83: so ask it!!
[11:43] <mikeeagles> Sorry, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27382/
[11:43] <Wikipedia-Gast83> sk what, cpk2?
[11:43] <apokryphos> Wikipedia-Gast83: please don't be annoying :)
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> cpk2: I think he is just attention seeking
[11:44] <cpk2> I have a feeling we have been trolled
[11:44] <jende> mikeeagles: if you had a PCI Ethernetcontroller...well, then its screwed
[11:44] <Kyral> He is
[11:44] <Kyral> He's trolling in the Ruby channel too
[11:44] <edrex> i'm basically looking for a pointer to documentation for how media:/ decides which devices to show
[11:44] <Wikipedia-Gast83> apokryphos: I just wanted to ask a question
[11:44] <apokryphos> edrex: google for media kde protocol
[11:44] <apokryphos> !helpme
[11:44] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:44] <apokryphos> Wikipedia-Gast83: :)
[11:44] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what question?
[11:44] <jende> cpk2: I guess wiki is just to .... to ask
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: time to deal with the troll
[11:44] <edrex> i've been doing alot of googling, all I get is noise
[11:45] <edrex> that's why I'm here
[11:45] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: who?
[11:45] <Wikipedia-Gast83> what should I ask?
[11:45] <cpk2> jende: I'm disappointed in myself for getting trolled =\
[11:45] <TheGateKeeper> ^^^^^
[11:45] <jende> cpk2: so was I
[11:45] <jende> apokryphos: thaks, mate
[11:45] <cpk2> hehe bad idea to troll an op
[11:45] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: sorry, i'm slow :)
[11:45] <jende> apokryphos: thanks, mate
[11:46] <edrex> apokryphos: just try that search yourself
[11:46] <edrex> apokryphos: noise
[11:46] <apokryphos> edrex: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS
[11:46] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: :-)
[11:47] <jende> cpk2: wanna have agerman bee*
[11:47] <fdoving> TheGateKeeper: thanks for the notice anyway :)
[11:47] <jende> mikeeagles: did you have a normal PCI Network Interface or not?
[11:48] <TheGateKeeper> fdoving: np :-)
[11:49] <mikeeagles> I have a PCI wireless and an ISA network card. I only had the wireless connected when I was using it with you earlier.
[11:50] <edrex> apokryphos: well hal sees my device...
[11:50] <jende> mikeeagles: now you'd like to have the ISA connected?
[11:50] <edrex> apokryphos: lshal gives "storage.removable = false  (bool)"
[11:51] <edrex> perhaps that's the problem?
[11:51] <apokryphos> I really don't know, I'm afraid
[11:51] <Elwyn> Hey, Im running Kubuntu off a live CD, and I only have one optical drive- is there a way to burn a cd at all from within kubuntu? (eg take the liveCD out)
[11:51] <jende> edrex: I havent followed uo your prob, but what is ist
[11:52] <mikeeagles> It wouldn't matter. Just wanted a working internet connection like it was before I did those updates.
[11:52] <edrex> jende: i have a USB IDE enclosure with a drive in it
[11:52] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: you using windows?
[11:52] <edrex> jende: hal detects, pmount mounts, but it doesn't show in media:/
[11:52] <Elwyn> yes,  its corrupted though, so im wanting to back up a couple of files before I format
[11:53] <edrex> maybe it thinks it's not removable?
[11:53] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: does it have usable burning software installed?
[11:53] <jende> edrex: if i gets mounted...is it removeable?
[11:54] <Elwyn> Kubuntu?? I have no idea, its a standard LiveCD, let me check..
[11:54] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: no windows
[11:54] <Splittor> you can't remove the kubuntu cd while running it i don't think
[11:54] <Elwyn> Oh. Yes, it has Nero
[11:54] <jende> mikeeagles: tell me if you do have the right moduke for your wireless card in /etc/modules
[11:54] <jende> mikeeagles: tell me if you do have the right module for your wireless card in /etc/modules
[11:55] <edrex> jende: lshal gives storage.hotpluggable = true  (bool) ...  storage.removable = false  (bool) for the drive
[11:55] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: use that then to make a copy of the disc if that's what you want to do
[11:56] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: I am a little unsure of exactly what the proble, is?
[11:56] <TheGateKeeper> problem*
[11:56] <batousaix19> hello
[11:56] <Elwyn> No, I dont think you get me :p Windows is screwed, wont boot, I havnt been able to fix it. So I am using a linux LiveCD, and am wanting to back up a few files, (from within linux) before I reformat and reinstall windows.
[11:56] <batousaix19> where can the RC be found?
[11:56] <mikeeagles> I disconnected that drive. I've loaded my windows drive back on that puter and am going to try to run the live cd and then install it on one of the partitions.
[11:57] <Elwyn> But I only have one optical drive, so I dont know how to burn the cd if my drive is being used by the Kubuntu LiveCD
[11:57] <batousaix19> the Edgy RC
[11:57] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: hmmm
[11:57] <jende> mikeeagles: don't give up that quick
[11:57] <apokryphos> batousaix19: kubuntu.org
[11:58] <batousaix19> well u need the cd, unless kubuntu can be lloaded to ram with the toram boot option
[11:58] <Elwyn> ohk
[11:58] <Elwyn> if it a whole load of trouble, then nvm, I can do without the stuff lol
[11:58] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: just had an idea, hang on...
[11:58] <Elwyn> ohk.
[11:58] <batousaix19> dont have an extra drive to connect just so u can use your burner to burn?
[11:59] <fdoving> gnite
[11:59] <Elwyn> nah, I only have one IDE slot on my mobo, and thats just enough for my HDD and my DVD-RW
[11:59] <morphish> now how can one get another fs than ext3 out of qtparted/the installer?
[12:00] <anjulog> holnafor
[12:00] <anjulog> fu0erer
[12:00] <apokryphos> anjulog: what are you doing?
[12:00] <jende_> mikeeagles: still there?
[12:01] <batousaix19> how much ram do u have elwyn?
[12:01] <Elwyn> 1.5GB
[12:02] <Elwyn> (and I have a spair 512mb if needed)
[12:02] <mikeeagles> Yea.
[12:03] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: was to burn stuff from the command line, don't know if the livecd will let you take it out and do this but you could give it a try ---> http://penguinslair.org/wiki/index.php/Command_line_Burning
[12:03] <Elwyn> ok, thanks a lot, Il have a look.
[12:04] <jende_> mikeeagles: whta tells us a 'uname -r'
[12:04] <jende_> mikeeagles: what tells us a 'uname -r'
[12:04] <batousaix19> if not, elwyn, use puppy linux
[12:04] <ZeroCool> the best mp3 player, GUI and Command Line...
[12:04] <batousaix19> it loads right into ram, and it has a burning application
[12:04] <Elwyn> Puppy linux??
[12:04] <Elwyn> oohk
[12:05] <batousaix19> i do all my windows recovery stuff with that distro anyway
[12:05] <Elwyn> sounds good to. Thanks for all your help :)
[12:05] <batousaix19> yup, its only like 70 MB
[12:05] <batousaix19> thats the best thing i can think of right now, unless a toram boot option is dooable with kubuntu live-cd
[12:06] <batousaix19> but puppy would be your best bet for that task(Y), if that 1 dont work, slax it:D, lol
[12:06] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page <-- another one for you
[12:06] <batousaix19> slax at least used kde
[12:06] <Elwyn> ohk. Iv had another idea, donno why I didnt think of this first- il network with my mums laptop... jeesh, why didnt I do that first??
[12:07] <jende_> mikeeagles: ???
[12:07] <batousaix19> that would do it if u can write to it
[12:07] <TheGateKeeper> Elwyn: better late than never :-)
[12:08] <mikeeagles> I'll be back in a few
[12:08] <Elwyn> lol, yea. First time networking with linux, and its working perfectly ^_^
[12:08] <jende_> mikeeagles: hurry...it#s already bedtime here
[12:08] <OOD> Elwyn: are you elwyn from jcxp?
[12:09] <Elwyn> Yea lol
[12:09] <Elwyn> Hi
[12:09] <steveire> Elwyn: You home networking?
[12:09] <Elwyn> yea
[12:09] <steveire> Did you have to get some apps to do it or is it out-of-box ready?
[12:09] <Elwyn> Ohhh, OuchOfDeath, hey
[12:10] <Elwyn> steveire: I didnt need any extra apps
[12:10] <mikeeagles> I'll revisit this tomorrow then. Thanks for all your help. I'm going to try to install it again on another drive.
[12:10] <OOD> elwyn: how you liking kubuntu so far?


[08:46] <PWF> hi all
[08:51] <noodles775> Hi there PWF
[08:52] <ajmitch> hi
[11:03] <jml> ugh.
[11:03] <jml> just spent 1.5 hrs on the phone w/ Virgin Media trying to get this internet connection to not suck.
[11:12] <noodles775> jml: yeah - be glad you can do it in English (/me remembers jml contemplating living in Berlin)
[11:12] <noodles775> Is it sorted now?
[11:13] <jml> noodles775: *maybe*
[11:13] <jml> noodles775: Net connection is a little better
[11:13] <jml> not sure about the wireless dropout problem. Hope that's fixed, but won't be able to tell unless it doesn't happen again
[11:14] <jml> youtube videos still don't stream all the way (need to reload the page)
[11:14] <jml> and haven't tried downloading anything over a MB yet.
[13:11] <jml> nope, downloads are still being interrupted. :\
[15:57] <jml> james_w: so, if we make udd scan binaries, we're going to have to specify a distro_arch_series for list_packages, rather than just a distro_series
[15:57] <james_w> yeah
[15:57] <jml> james_w: I guess we want a configurable list of architectures to care about
[15:57] <james_w> so I guess that means iterating over each das for each distro_series?
[15:57] <james_w> yeah, I guess that too
[15:58] <jml> but does that also mean storing the architecture in the database somehow
[15:59] <jml> i.e. we'll get duplicate package names
[16:00] <james_w> yeah, I think so
[16:01] <jml> I was thinking of doing something lame like appending the architecture tag as a suffix to the package name
[16:02] <james_w> It wouldn't be too difficult to make it an extra column would it?
[16:02] <jml> no, not really
[16:02] <jml> hmm.
[16:02] <jml> I guess I'm not sure how that would make pkgme-binary get called
[16:03] <jml> also, I don't understand why list_packages goes over each series, but add_import_jobs does not.
[16:03] <james_w> timeouts I think
[16:04] <james_w> or maybe because it's specifically interested in the packages in main in the current series
[16:06] <jml> I still don't get it. :\
[16:10] <james_w> I think it was done because calling getPublishedSources without distro_series timed out, even if you asked for a small batch size
[16:11] <james_w> whereas adding the created_since_date meant that it didn't time out
[16:11] <james_w> I think created_since_date was added later to list_packages, at which point it could well have been changed to do it the same was as add-import-jobs I guess
[16:36] <jml> hm
[16:37] <jml> but maybe it'll time out for binaries...
[16:37] <jml> and it would time out anyway when there has been no last_update()
[22:54] <JackyAlcine> Question: This channel is targeted at Ubuntu App development, not necessarily including its derivations, no?
[23:43] <jo-erlend> JackyAlcine, you mean like Lubuntu and such? It'll be the same. The primary focus will be Ubuntu, but there's nothing special about Ubuntu, so it'll be valid for all other distros as well.
[23:43] <JackyAlcine> jo-erlend: Thanks for the clarification.