[00:00] <rickspencer3> if I alt  tab and start going through window
[00:00] <rickspencer3> then I shift control alt tab, it goes backward
[00:01] <rickspencer3> so I changed /apps/compiz/plugins/staticswitcher/allscreens/options/prev_all_key
[00:01] <Amaranth> hrm, that doesn't happen here
[00:02] <rickspencer3> to <shift><alt>tab and it works now
[00:02] <Amaranth> oh yeah, did the ubuntu2 package fix your focus issues?
[00:02] <rickspencer3> gege
[00:03] <rickspencer3> ok, so basically it looks like prev_key and prev_all key are reversed in gconf
[00:03] <rickspencer3> yes, I confirmed that the focus issue is fixed
[00:03] <rickspencer3> thanks a million for that
[00:03] <Amaranth> eh, I just pointed upstream to the area where the problem was
[00:04] <rickspencer3> well, it was a great service the users
[00:04] <rickspencer3> thanks
[00:04] <rickspencer3> and I'm happy to have my alt-shift-tab back as well :)
[00:05] <rickspencer3> so in summary, I change prev_all_key to alt-shift-tab, and prev_key to alt-shift-control-tab ... and it works now
[00:05] <rickspencer3> I just edited it in gconf-editor
[00:06] <Amaranth> rickspencer3: and does it switch between windows on all workspaces?
[00:06] <rickspencer3> yes
[00:06] <Amaranth> so that's not right
[00:06] <Amaranth> they are switched then
[00:07] <Amaranth> err, aren't
[00:07] <rickspencer3> oops
[00:07] <rickspencer3> actually not
[00:07] <Amaranth> prev_all_key set to shift-alt-tab doesn't switch between windows on all workspaces?
[00:07] <rickspencer3> dang it
[00:08]  * Amaranth is confused now
[00:08] <rickspencer3> they act differently depending on whether that little navigation window is up
[00:08] <rickspencer3> let me put it in the bug report
[00:08] <Amaranth> yeah, staticswitcher seems broken in general except for alt-tab
[00:08]  * Amaranth always uses scale or docky so never noticed
[00:09] <rickspencer3> I think the gconf keys are reversed in staticswitcher
[00:09] <rickspencer3> so, my gconf keys are set as above
[00:10] <rickspencer3> prev_all_key = shift-alt-tab, prev_key = control-shift-alt-tab
[00:11] <rickspencer3> case 1: shift-alt-tab - navigate all windows across all desktops backwards (as expected)
[00:11] <Amaranth> compiz has a silly system for handling switchers so I'm never surprised to hear of problems
[00:11] <Amaranth> gtk-window-decorator draws the switcher but compiz controls how it draws it
[00:11] <Amaranth> all so compiz can avoid depending on cairo, gtk, glib, etc
[00:12] <rickspencer3> case 2: alt-tab alt-tab navigate two windows on current desktop as expected, shift-alt-tab goes back one, NOT EXPECTED because shift-alt-tab is supposed to be *all*
[00:13] <rickspencer3> I think it is probably a simple copy and past error in the code somewhere
[00:13] <Amaranth> That's debatable, actually
[00:13] <rickspencer3> what's debatable?
[00:13] <Amaranth> if pressing shift when the switcher is already visible should apply to windows on all workspaces at that point
[00:14] <Amaranth> we'd have to cancel the current switcher session and start over to handle that
[00:14] <rickspencer3> well, in any case .... what doesn't work is using the prev_key binding when that little window is invoked with the next_key binding
[00:14] <rickspencer3> right, I would expect what I did to *not* work
[00:15] <Amaranth> except that after resetting my compiz settings shift-alt-tab works fine for prev_key when the switcher window is up
[00:15] <rickspencer3> I would expect doing next_key, next_key, prev_all_key to *not* work
[00:15] <Amaranth> it didn't until I reset my settings though
[00:15] <Amaranth> rickspencer3: I would expect it to work like it does now
[00:15] <Amaranth> Best effort
[00:15] <rickspencer3> wtf
[00:15] <rickspencer3> I just switched the bindings back and it works now!
[00:16] <Amaranth> Did it all start working after you reset your settings too?
[00:16] <Amaranth> haha
[00:16]  * rickspencer3 gives up
[00:16] <Amaranth> What we really need to know is 1) Did this work correctly in 9.04? and 2) Does it work if you upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10?
[00:16] <rickspencer3> is there a bug # for a karmic bug?
[00:17] <Amaranth> If something in karmic development caused it I'm not too concerned, really
[00:17] <rickspencer3> I am sure it did work, otherwise this wouldn't be so harded coded into my muscle memory
[00:17] <Amaranth> So we just need to answer #2
[00:17] <rickspencer3> yeah, it might work fine on a clean install
[00:18] <rickspencer3> or it might be idosyncratic to some update that I did a few days ago, etc...
[00:18] <Amaranth> Oh I'm sure it'll work on a clean install but the upgrade case is what I'm worried about
[00:18] <Amaranth> Right, if upgrades through karmic caused it but it works fine if you upgrade from 9.04 now I'm not going to worry
[00:18] <rickspencer3> exactly
[00:18] <rickspencer3> there's a work around in any case, so I'm not too worried
[00:19] <rickspencer3> it feels so good to have my shift-alt-tab back
[00:19] <rickspencer3> :)
[00:19] <rickspencer3> thanks Amaranth ;)
[00:19] <Amaranth> bug 407795 is the only one I can find
[00:20] <Amaranth> in 10 minutes when it finally appears in my browser I can see if it applies to karmic
[00:21] <rickspencer3> that report seems to be on Jaunty
[00:22] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, apparantly there is some totem bug with playing DVDs?
[00:23] <rickspencer3> it was mentioned in the meeting this morning, but I'm not seeing the bug on the targeted list :(
[00:23] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, I don't know of it, do you have the #?
[00:23] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: seb128 mentioned it in -devel.
[00:23] <rickspencer3> sadly, no
[00:23] <rickspencer3> I am looking for it now
[00:24] <TheMuso> bug #435968
[00:24] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: Is that the one you are thinking of?
[00:24] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3 - bug 456646 is the one that seb128 mentioned
[00:25] <rickspencer3> thanks chrisccoulson
[00:25] <rickspencer3> why is this low?
[00:25] <rickspencer3> is it infrequent in occurrence? seems rather serious
[00:25] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure, feel free to adjust it as appropriate
[00:25] <rickspencer3> will do
[00:25] <chrisccoulson> i havent tried dvd playback here yet
[00:26]  * rickspencer3 reads upstream bug
[00:27]  * rickspencer3 puts Monty Python on the Holy Grail into DVD slot
[00:27] <TheMuso> heh
[00:46] <awe> rickspencer3, seb128 also mentioned that many people can't use totem at all to playback DVDs... the UI just hangs.  It's unclear if there's a bug # though
[00:47] <TheMuso> awe: Could it be the bug I posted earlier?
[00:47] <awe> you mean 456646?
[00:48] <TheMuso> awe: bug #435968. Its against vlc, but users in teh bug report issues with totem as well.
[00:49] <awe> hmm, the description n mentions "open disc", whereas what I saw this morning was that totem hangs immediately on startup.. and then eventually throws up an error dialog
[00:50] <awe> so no, don't think it's the same issue
[00:50] <TheMuso> ok
[01:03] <rickspencer3> TheMuso, can you repro this?
[01:04] <rickspencer3> awe .. mplayer works perfectly, but totem can't really play it for me
[01:04] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: Haven't tried either myself.
[01:05] <awe> rickspencer3, did you do the dcss install routine?
[01:06] <rickspencer3> awe, yes
[01:06] <awe> hmmm...
[01:06] <rickspencer3> so now mplayer plays it perfectly, but Totem sort of starts, then stops, then tries some more, etc...
[01:07] <awe> well, mplayer cheats
[01:07] <rickspencer3> oh?
[01:07] <awe> i was under the assumption that the mplayer gang don't really play fair with respect to licensing & honoring IP
[01:07] <rickspencer3> ah
[01:08] <awe> which is why it usually works
[01:08] <rickspencer3> well, it doesn't play without decssinstalled
[01:08] <rickspencer3> but I don't think it uses gstreamer
[01:08] <awe> correct
[01:08] <awe> doesn't sound like a fun bug to chase...
[01:08] <rickspencer3> so I figure it's in the gstreamer libraries
[01:09] <rickspencer3> especially since robert_ancell can't repro it :(
[01:09] <awe> or PA...
[01:09] <awe> ...just kidding
[01:09] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, do you have a region encoded DVD?
[01:09] <rickspencer3> lol
[01:13] <TheMuso> hat was... weird. Just had a lockup running the generic kernel.
[01:13] <TheMuso> Couldn't even get to a VT.
[01:13] <TheMuso> Had one today and yesterday, although yesterday was with the RT kernel, so I put it down to being that.
[01:14] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yes, region 4
[01:16] <rickspencer3> ok, I have to go
[01:16] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, where would I find gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 in the archive?
[01:16] <rickspencer3> sorry
[01:17] <robert_ancell> i'm looking in pool/main/g/gst-fluendo-mp3 but doesn't exist
[01:17] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, cya
[01:17] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, I'll check back online in an hour or two and see if there is something you want me to try
[01:17] <rickspencer3> (or at least I'll try to ;) )
[01:17] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Really don't know, I saw that get uploaded last night, it may still be in binary new.
[01:17] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, I actually want to track down the old version, any easy way of doing that?
[01:18] <TheMuso> afaik no
[01:18] <TheMuso> try its launchpad page
[01:18] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ah, thanks
[04:12] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, hi
[04:12] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, hey
[04:12] <rickspencer3> I saw you were able to repro the totem bug
[04:12] <rickspencer3> need me to test anything?
[04:12] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, yeah it seems to come and go.  I can't pinpoint any particular thing to trigger it.  Changing the plugins didn't do anything, I thought it might be pulse for a while
[04:13] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, so nothing you can try
[04:13] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[04:13] <rickspencer3> a good mystery
[04:13] <rickspencer3> do we have a "last known good"?
[04:13] <robert_ancell> well, you can try "gst-launch playbin uri=dvd:" and "gst-launch playbin2 uri=dvd:" the latter seems to be worse than the former.
[04:14] <robert_ancell> I don't know of one, I haven't played a DVD for a long time
[04:14] <robert_ancell> It's really odd that it doesn't ever occur on the titles but only on the content video
[04:15] <rickspencer3> do you think it worked in yesterday's build?
[04:16] <rickspencer3> I guess we could just start loading daily builds in VMs until we figure out when it broke
[04:16] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, I got the same error you did
[04:16] <robert_ancell> I don't know, do you have some daily builds lying around?
[04:17] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, for both tests?
[04:17] <rickspencer3> well, warning I guess
[04:17] <rickspencer3> hmm
[04:18] <rickspencer3> yes
[04:18] <rickspencer3> libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!!
[04:18] <rickspencer3> ^[[CWARNING: from element /GstPlayBin2:playbin20/GstPlaySink:playsink0/GstBin:vbin/GstAutoVideoSink:videosink/GstXvImageSink:videosink-actual-sink-xvimage: A lot of buffers are being dropped.
[04:18] <rickspencer3> Additional debug info:
[04:18] <rickspencer3> gstbasesink.c(2572): gst_base_sink_is_too_late (): /GstPlayBin2:playbin20/GstPlaySink:playsink0/GstBin:vbin/GstAutoVideoSink:videosink/GstXvImageSink:videosink-actual-sink-xvimage:
[04:18] <rickspencer3> There may be a timestamping problem, or this computer is too slow.
[04:36] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell did you check out totem-gstreamer changes on October 13?
[04:37] <rickspencer3> "fix dvd parsing issues ..."
[04:37]  * rickspencer3 grasps at straws
[04:38] <rickspencer3> dammit, nevermind
[04:46] <robert_ancell_> rickspencer3, it could have occurred in totem 2.27 because then it changed from playbin to playbin2.  However there seems to be an underlying problem as I get the problem occasionally using playbin
[04:54] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, I *always* get it with playbin
[04:55] <rickspencer3> is there another player that uses gstreamer but isn't totem?
[04:57] <TheMuso> There are plenty of packages that use gstreamer, but none that I can see there that I know are players.
[04:58] <lifeless> rythmbox
[04:58] <TheMuso> Is a music player
[04:59] <TheMuso> I think rickspencer3 is looking for a gstreamer based DVD player.
[04:59] <rickspencer3> lifeless, right, good point, but we meant for playing DVDs
[05:00] <rickspencer3> mplayer and VLC both work quite fine
[05:00]  * rickspencer3 needs to sleep
[05:01] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell thanks for poking at this, I hope you get this nut cracked :)
[05:01] <lifeless> I'd ask thaytan
[05:03] <rickspencer3> thanks lifeless sounds like a good lead
[05:03] <rickspencer3> g'night all
[06:52] <didrocks> robert_ancell: thanks :)
[06:52] <didrocks> good morning o/
[06:52] <robert_ancell> didrocks, hey
[06:53] <didrocks> you finally beat pitti :)
[06:56] <robert_ancell> heh
[07:55] <pitti> Good morning
[07:56] <baptistemm> hi pitti
[08:01] <didrocks> hey pitti :)
[08:24] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:16] <asac> hi
[09:24] <seb128> hey asac
[09:24] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson1
[09:37] <slomo> seb128: that new pulse bug, problem is that playback simply stops at some point, right?
[09:37] <slomo> seb128: i had that with the old pulse plugin too
[09:38] <seb128> slomo, I don't know, I've not asked details out of what is written in the bug
[09:38] <seb128> slomo, the bug submitter do state that downgrading fixes the issue though
[09:40] <seb128> slomo, "Yes. Totem does this too. You can easily reproduce this, just drag an ogg and an mp3 file into the playlist pane and hit play. Totem will pause in "Playing" state once it switches to the mp3."
[09:41] <slomo> seb128: yes, i saw that... well, hadess reported this too, i'll take a look
[09:42] <seb128> slomo, did you try dvd playing btw?
[09:43] <seb128> slomo, thanks
[09:43] <slomo> seb128: no, i was very busy with university stuff... in 20 minutes i'll start gstreamer work again :)
[09:43] <seb128> ok thanks
[10:00] <slomo> seb128: for the new pulseaudio bug, the problematic commit was identified now
[10:02] <seb128> slomo, that was quick!
[10:02] <seb128> slomo, so you get the issue too?
[10:03] <slomo> seb128: didn't try yet, but hadess and one of the PA developers gets it
[10:03] <seb128> ok
[10:10] <mvo> mac_v: I think I have a fix for bug #355355 - I'm uploading into my ppa now
[10:25] <seb128> mvo, software-center is confusing if you don't have universe on
[10:26] <seb128> it lists ton of things but you wonder the purpose since you can't do anything about those
[10:27] <mac_v> mvo: cool, will test it out. :)
[10:29] <mvo> seb128: right, agreed. do you test the live-cd currently?
[10:29] <seb128> mvo, yes
[10:33] <mvo> seb128: sorry for that, its a known regression and needs to be tackled in lucid (along with lots of other stuff)
[10:34] <seb128> mvo, nothing to be sorry about I was just pointing it
[10:34] <seb128> does it make sense to list things that can't be installed?
[10:34] <seb128> shouldn't those simply not be in the list?
[10:35] <mvo> good question, for some stuff it does IMO, e.g. we can show that we have acroread but that its not available on amd64 (just a example) so that people know it there for some people
[10:35] <mvo> for others it makes much less sense (all of universe)
[10:35] <mvo> if there is no way to easily enable universe
[10:36] <seb128> I'm not sure I agree that it's nice to show to people that acroread is there and they can't get it ;-)
[10:36] <seb128> I expect most people just want to see what they can get
[10:36] <seb128> not all the nice things they can't get for whatever reason, like wrong architectures
[10:37] <seb128> "you have not been a nice user, not acroread for you ahahah, signed mvo" ;-)
[10:37] <mvo> *pfff*
[10:37]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[10:37] <mvo> :)
[10:38] <seb128> hum
[10:38] <mvo> true, we added it because there was confusion IIRC about annoucements that we have certain stuff in the partner repo - but then it was only i386 and amd64 user reported bugs
[10:38] <seb128> "Downloading" not translated!
[10:38] <mvo> oh
[10:38] <mvo> that comes probably from aptdaemon?
[10:38] <mvo> maybe not in the langpack?
[10:39] <seb128> indeed
[10:39] <seb128> doh
[10:39] <seb128> 105 untranslated strings in french...
[10:39] <hyperair> is there a way to stop gpm from raising my screen brightness whenever it detects that i'm not idle?
[10:40] <seb128> I'm wondering how many translation team know about it
[10:40] <hyperair> i manually stick it to 0, but it keeps raising it back to 90.
[10:40] <seb128> the livecd has only 2 translations for it
[10:40] <hyperair> this is getting quite annoyin
[10:40] <seb128> hyperair, go to the preferences dialog?
[10:41] <hyperair> seb128: i've told it to stop dimming my screen.
[10:41] <seb128> there is 2 check boxes for backlight and screen
[10:41] <seb128> ok, so open a GNOME bug?
[10:41] <hyperair> "reduce backlight brightness
[10:41] <hyperair> "dim display when idle"
[10:41] <hyperair> which one?
[10:41] <seb128> I don't know
[10:41] <hyperair> meh =\
[10:42] <seb128> I just hate how g-p-m handle backlight and screen dimming since hardy
[10:43] <dpm> hmm, seb128, where does the "Downloading" string you are mentioning appear? It might make sense that I point translators to it if it's very visible, they've got time until tomorrow if the translation goes into the langpacks
[10:43] <seb128> dpm, in software-center when installing something
[10:43] <seb128> it displays a download bar
[10:43] <seb128> and write "Downloading" under it
[10:44] <seb128> there is also "Loading softwares list"
[10:44] <seb128> and "Applying changes"
[10:45] <mvo> dpm: hm, aptdaemon seems to be not part of a language-pack
[10:45] <mvo> dpm: what needs to be done to get it in there?
[10:45] <seb128> mvo, it is
[10:45] <mvo> is that not tracked automatically?
[10:45] <mvo> oh?
[10:46] <seb128> mvo, it's in 2 langpacks on the current iso
[10:46] <seb128> it's just that probably no translation team knows about it
[10:46] <seb128> so it didn't get translated
[10:46] <seb128> it's hard to know that you have to translate system components for them I guess
[10:46] <seb128> the launchpad interface doesn't make obvious to spot those
[10:47] <dpm> mvo, aptdaemon is part of the language packs
[10:48] <seb128> mvo, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/aptdaemon/+pots/aptdaemon
[10:49] <seb128> mvo, see, it's very few locales
[10:49] <mvo> hm, I'm confused - my system is updated, language-pack-gnome-de is installed yet its not in /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/ - are not all of them updated yet? or am I just overlooking something?
[10:50] <seb128> mvo, there is no german on this webpage
[10:50] <seb128> mvo, it's not translated in german?
[10:50] <mvo> aha, indeed
[10:50] <mvo> a shame
[10:50] <mvo> sorry for the noise
[10:51] <dpm> mvo, np, I'll point translators to it
[10:51] <seb128> dpm, thanks
[10:51] <dpm> mvo, in addition to the LP page seb128 is pointing out, we've got a "include translations in language packs" checkbox in the template admin page. We normally check it, unless it is an exception.
[10:51] <mvo> dpm: thanks
[10:52] <dpm> mvo, and if anyone spots something which is not in langpacks but it should (or the other way round), you can just ping ArneGoetje or myself (or send an e-mail to the ubuntu-translations-coordinators@ list)
[10:53] <seb128> dpm, is there any work being done to make easier to know for translators what they need to work on?
[10:53] <seb128> I expect that one has not been translated because that's not a software and people didn't know it was to translate
[10:56] <seb128> hum
[10:56] <seb128> none of the language-selector downloading screen strings are translated
[10:57] <seb128> mvo, ArneGoetje: ^ known issue?
[10:57] <seb128> it's weird it seems to be a synaptic dialog
[10:57] <mvo> those should be synaptic
[10:57] <mvo> that is indeed odd
[10:57] <dpm> seb128, from the LP Translations team side there will be no changes to the templates list apart from in the filters (to be able to see untranslated strings across templates, which will be quite useful) and perhaps showing more translations per page. An improvement already is the personal translators dashboard, where people can see translations which might need their attention. From the community side there is an ongoing effort to better prioritise th
[10:57] <dpm> e list of templates, so that the highest priority templates appear first on the list (this functionality has been working for a while, but we are working on setting the bulk of priorities)
[10:58] <seb128> dpm, ok, thanks
[10:59] <seb128> mvo, it's translated in synaptic itself though
[10:59] <seb128> mvo, so it's probably an issue on how language-selector call it or something
[11:00]  * mvo looks
[11:02] <seb128> mvo, the /proc/pid/env has
[11:02] <seb128> LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
[11:02] <seb128> LANGUAGE=en_US
[11:02] <seb128> env -> environ
[11:02] <seb128> pid being the pid of the running synaptic
[11:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, your 3g doesn't seem really stable today
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it's not being particularly good today for some reason
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> i might have to fall back to company network instead ;)
[11:09] <chrisccoulson> i give up with the 3G connection for today!
[11:11] <mvo> seb128: I check after lunch
[11:12] <seb128> mvo, ok, enjoy
[11:15] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: Have you got a usb to usb connector cable?  If so try using that.  I found it helped in lower signal areas
[11:16] <dpm> mvo, a couple of questions for when you come back: is aptdaemon's upstream Ubuntu? and Synaptic? I'm just asking to let translators know whether they can translate directly in LP or should also take care of forwarding translations somewhere else.
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> davmor2 - it's using USB already. the issue is probably that there is too much noisy equipment on my desk which interferes with either the 3G signal or corrupts the USB
[11:22] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: I know it's usb but for some reason I got a stronger signal with with the cable attached to the dongle :)
[12:12] <mvo> dpm: aptdaemon has a different upstream, but its iirc a registered LP project. synaptic I'm upstream for, but I never got around to properly create a LP page for it. I should fix that
[12:29] <seb128> mvo, slomo: gnome-codec-install doesn't do an ideal job on karmic
[12:29] <seb128> to play mp3 it installs -ffmpeg and fluendo-mp3 too which are not required
[12:30] <seb128> and fluendo-mp3 will be used before standard mpeg decoder no?
[12:48] <seb128> gra
[12:49] <seb128> mvo, your fix for gst-fluendo is not welcome
[12:49] <seb128> mvo, we don't want it in this list if it's checked by default
[12:49] <mvo> seb128: why not, does it break anything?
[12:49] <seb128> mvo, yes
[12:49] <mvo> oh?
[12:50] <seb128> mvo, see what I wrote before, g-c-i install 3 decoders for the same thing
[12:50] <seb128> and fluendo will take over the universe version
[12:50] <seb128> and it's a lot less tested and usually buggier
[12:50] <mvo> and it works less well than the universe version?
[12:50] <seb128> yes
[12:50] <seb128> it's less tested at least we never installed it
[12:50] <mvo> I would have thought its the better one coming from fluendo etc
[12:50] <seb128> and we got quite some bugs from people who broke mp3 reading by having it installed
[12:51] <seb128> well maybe they fixed it and it's all good
[12:51] <seb128> but I would not change that the day before rc and trust it to work better without testing
[12:51] <seb128> it has bitten quite some users in the past who installed it
[12:52] <mvo> hmmmmm
[12:52] <mvo> so the easiest fix is to break it again I guess
[12:53] <mvo> it was fixed becaus eof bug #419321
[12:53] <seb128> right, I was just looking at the bugs, there is none open on the package
[12:53] <seb128> let's wait for slomo to be around again
[12:54] <seb128> I will ask what he thinks
[12:54] <seb128> but I'm not comfortable doing that change now
[12:54] <mvo> ok
[12:54] <mvo> """Could be really good add fluendo-mp3 to this list, due to it's the only one legally licenced."""
[12:55] <mvo> (from the report)
[12:55] <seb128> right
[12:55] <seb128> I agree it's good to add there
[12:55] <mvo> but yeah, lets see what slomo thinks
[12:55] <mvo> timming was bad
[12:55] <mvo> thats true
[12:55] <seb128> but I would not expect g-c-i to install several options
[12:55] <seb128> it should tick one by default only
[13:34] <dpm> mvo, ok, thanks for the info re: aptdaemon and synaptic
[13:57] <asac> ArneGoetje: do you have a list of _all_ lang_country codes we have langpacks for?
[13:57] <asac> dpm: ?
[13:58] <seb128> asac, apt-cache search language pack | awk | sed...?
[14:00] <kenvandine> asac, did a recent change in firefox start dynamically adding bookmarks and changing them from time to time?
[14:00] <kenvandine> like news stuff?
[14:00] <asac> seb128: well ... wasnt sure if all those are known to be empty/complete/semi-complete
[14:00] <asac> kenvandine: me?
[14:00] <asac> kenvandine: feels like only bindwood would cause that ;)
[14:00] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:00] <kenvandine> well, it is killing bindwood
[14:00] <kenvandine> spamming it
[14:00] <kenvandine> i think
[14:00] <asac> hmm
[14:01] <asac> kenvandine: maybe its an infinite loop thing?
[14:01] <kenvandine> 'World on a stage'","value":"news.bbc.co.uk/go
[14:01] <kenvandine> that kind of stuff
[14:01] <kenvandine> and they are in my toolbar
[14:01] <asac> like: bindwood changes bookmarks ... gets back "boomark-changed" ,,, modifies etc.
[14:01] <kenvandine> maybe
[14:01] <kenvandine> but i am wondering what creates these
[14:01] <kenvandine> they aren't in my bookmarks.html
[14:01] <asac> firefox doesnt touch your bookmarks afaik
[14:02] <kenvandine> they are all bbc.co.uk
[14:02] <kenvandine> humm
[14:02] <asac> well.. i am pretty sure firefox doenst touch them
[14:02] <asac> firefox copies the default bookmarks on first start in your profile
[14:02] <asac> and doesnt change them afterwards
[14:02] <kenvandine> i have 122 of them and they aren't in bookmarks.html
[14:02] <asac> thats why we cannot change bookmarks for users a-posterioir
[14:02] <kenvandine> i see
[14:02] <asac> kenvandine: live bookmarks?
[14:02] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:02] <kenvandine> looks like it
[14:02]  * kenvandine has never used those
[14:02] <asac> firefox has bbc as the default live bookmark
[14:03] <asac> maybe bindwood cannot deal with them :/
[14:03] <kenvandine> oh... was that turned off before?
[14:03] <asac> kenvandine: no. firefox always had a bbc folder in the toolbar by default
[14:03] <asac> thats a live bookmark (aka rss feed)
[14:03] <kenvandine> humm... i never did... i always had like 2 in the toolbar
[14:03] <kenvandine> oh... wait
[14:04] <asac> kenvandine: the default is called "Latest headlines"
[14:04] <kenvandine> so it was like a single entry right that you could expand?
[14:04] <asac> its not called "BBC" ... thogh its bbc
[14:04]  * kenvandine wonders if bindwood syncs that then makes it permanent
[14:04] <asac> probably
[14:04] <kenvandine> sigh
[14:04] <asac> i would think if you go through bookmarks on a chrome level
[14:04] <asac> they will look like normal bookmarks
[14:04] <asac> just change often
[14:04] <kenvandine> i think it might have had a single entry before and i never paid attention
[14:05] <kenvandine> now syncing is suddenly working and it is going nuts :)
[14:05] <asac> kenvandine: not sure what you mean by single entry .... maybe start with a fresh profile and without bindwood. the "Latest headlines" thing on the toolbar there is an rss feed
[14:05] <kenvandine> firefox takes like 10m to start and during startup there are tons of new bookmarks added to bindwood
[14:06] <asac> you can hit "reload" etc.
[14:06] <asac> to auto get latest
[14:06] <kenvandine> yeah, i just did that
[14:06] <kenvandine> in a vm
[14:06] <asac> good ;)
[14:06] <asac> now try with bindwood and see whats going on
[14:06] <kenvandine> there is a single button in the toolbar that says "Latest Headlines"
[14:06] <asac> yeah
[14:06] <kenvandine> bindwood is adding them all to the database
[14:06] <asac> tere should also be something like "Most Visited" ... or "Smart Bookmarks"
[14:06] <kenvandine> damn!
[14:06] <asac> i guess Most Visited is also somewhat dynamic
[14:06] <kenvandine> this is a bad bug
[14:06] <asac> yes
[14:07] <kenvandine> yeah, there is a special case for that
[14:07] <asac> if its what i think its a bad bug
[14:07]  * kenvandine lights fires
[14:07] <kenvandine> it is... almost certain
[14:07] <asac> would have to check the code to see whats done
[14:07] <asac> also you could compare the weave code
[14:07] <asac> which does it right
[14:07] <asac> could be they use a complete different approach in weave
[14:08] <asac> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10868
[14:09] <asac> http://hg.mozilla.org/labs/weave/
[14:09] <asac> hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/labs/weave/
[14:11] <asac> kenvandine: one thing before you investiage that further ... have you seen this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/298233/ ?
[14:12] <kenvandine> no... not that
[14:12] <kenvandine> sounds like twitter.com bustedness
[14:12] <asac> kenvandine: yeah. i also got later ...
[14:12] <asac> HTTPError: HTTP Error 502: Bad Gateway
[14:13] <asac> not sure if it was my explicit reload that cured it
[14:13] <asac> nevermind then
[14:13] <asac> will keep my eyes open
[14:13] <kenvandine> :)
[14:13] <kenvandine> thx
[14:13] <kenvandine> asac, also i have a branch that kills the daemon from the quit button
[14:13] <kenvandine> i am not sure if we want to merge it though... it just kills the process with a 15
[14:14] <asac> kenvandine: give me that branch i will check it
[14:14] <asac> i am currently checking the other issues
[14:14] <kenvandine> lp:~ken-vandine/gwibber/gwibber-quit
[14:14] <asac> currently feels like i can fix a bunch
[14:14] <asac> thx
[14:14] <kenvandine> asac, awesome!
[14:15] <asac> the threading is definitly busted
[14:15] <asac> still multithreaded access to not guarded stuff
[14:15] <asac> but i think i have an idea by fixing that by a few carefully done small surgeries ;)
[14:15] <asac> without doing a major refactoring
[14:16] <seb128> dpm, mvo: the french translator rocks, aptdaemon has been translated during lunch
[14:16] <kenvandine> asac, that is good news
[14:17] <dpm> seb128, \o/
[14:18] <mvo> cool
[14:18] <dpm> asac, re: finding out the language codes we have language packs for, I'm sure there are better ways to do it, but this might give you an idea, for example:
[14:18] <dpm> wget -O - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/source/Sources.gz | zgrep ^Package: | cut -f2 -d' ' | awk '/language-pack-[^kde|gnome].*-base/' | less
[14:18] <dpm> (excuse any regex mistakes :) )
[14:19] <asac> dpm: right. but does presnce of a package mean a) you can select the language in language selector .... and b) will the language be present, like LANG will be set to LANG_COUNTRY like you selected
[14:19] <asac> anyway ... i will check. maybe ArneGoetje knows if there are potentially empty langpacks shipped etc.
[14:20] <dpm> asac, I'd say yes, but Arne takes care of language-selector, and he should be better able to tell you
[14:25] <asac> ack
[14:25] <asac> kenvandine: one last thing ... gwibber has problems with avatar display ... have you seen that? ... most avatars appear for a moment and then disappear, some leave artifacts
[14:26] <asac> a few work though
[14:26] <czajkowski> asac: true, I cant see any avatars at all in new gwibber on karmic
[14:27] <asac> kenvandine: http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/Screenshot-Gwibber.png
[14:27] <asac> czajkowski: ^^
[14:27] <asac> and this: http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/Screenshot-Gwibber-1.png
[14:30] <kenvandine> i haven't seen them disappear
[14:30] <kenvandine> there is a problem where they aren't cached
[14:31] <kenvandine> which sucks
[14:31] <kenvandine> asac, ok i got the bindwood guys on that bug and they have reproduced it now
[14:31] <kenvandine> so expect a bindwood upload at some point :)
[14:33] <czajkowski> kenvandine: cheers!
[14:37] <kenvandine> hey czajkowski!
[14:37] <rickspencer3> bonjour desktoppers
[14:37] <rickspencer3> what's the word on the street?
[14:39] <kenvandine> hey rickspencer3
[14:39] <rickspencer3> I don't see much progress on bug #456646
[14:40] <rickspencer3> bug #456646
[14:40]  * rickspencer3 kick
[14:40] <rickspencer3> oh well
[14:40]  * rickspencer3 changes to ubottu
[14:40] <rickspencer3> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gstreamer0.10/+bug/456646
[14:40] <rickspencer3> dvd are not playing at normal speed
[14:41] <rickspencer3> seb128, thoughts ^ ?
[14:41] <czajkowski> kenvandine: how do :)
[14:41] <kenvandine> can't complain :)
[14:41] <kenvandine> karmic is rockin'!
[14:46] <czajkowski> kenvandine: tis indeed!
[14:49] <kenvandine> asac, aquarious and chad consulted with ryan on possible ways to deal with the caching of the avatars
[14:49] <asac> kenvandine: ok. if they have early insights/ideas/evaluations they should give it to me
[14:49] <kenvandine> but none of the proposed solutions were great
[14:49] <asac> i can fix that while i am at it
[14:49] <asac> kenvandine: would be helpful to understand the problem
[14:49] <seb128> rickspencer3, waiting for slomo and upstream to comment, I don't think it's a blocker anyway
[14:49] <kenvandine> asac, i will forward you the mail
[14:49] <asac> feels like it could be a messy thign
[14:49] <asac> kenvandine: thanks
[14:49] <seb128> rickspencer3, dvd playing doesn't work out of the box due to lack of legal codecs to play those
[14:50] <rickspencer3> seb128, well, OEM installs add the necessary codecs
[14:50] <jcastro> kenvandine: I've asked pedro to do a gwibber hugday post-release but pre-UDS to get our house in order
[14:50] <rickspencer3> I think it's important that OEMs can pre-install karmic if they want, and that it works
[14:50] <seb128> rickspencer3, is that also an issue using the fluendo codec that oem has?
[14:50] <rickspencer3> seb128, I don't know
[14:50] <seb128> me neither
[14:50] <rickspencer3> hmm
[14:50] <rickspencer3> let me follow up
[14:51] <seb128> anyway on my list of bugs but gstreamer is not an easy codebase
[14:51] <seb128> and we don't have any gstreamer hacker
[14:51] <rickspencer3> mmm
[14:51] <rickspencer3> maybe there's an "actually work" setting in gconf that we need set :P
[14:52] <seb128> in fact we have several annoying gstreamer issues
[14:52] <kenvandine> jcastro, great
[14:54] <rickspencer3> seb128, ok, I asked someone to follow up and test it in an OEM per-install scenario with their codec
[14:54] <rickspencer3> seb128, also, I degraded it to medium because it works with VLC
[14:54] <seb128> rickspencer3, seems other people are running into bug #435968
[14:54] <rickspencer3> however, I *really* would like to see this fixed
[14:54] <seb128> bug #435968
[14:55] <seb128> bug #456016 too
[14:55] <mvo> seb128: I just tried to reproduce the langugae-selector runs synaptic untranslated, but it works for me and my german test environment (fresh karmic install with incomplete language support)
[14:55] <seb128> I hate you too launchpad
[14:55] <seb128> mvo, ok it was weird here too, it worked after restarting it
[14:55] <rickspencer3> seb, right for the first one, i did not repro it, but if VLC is giving issues, then the workaround is not working
[14:56] <seb128> rickspencer3, in any case testing from other people and team would be welcome
[14:56] <rickspencer3> seb128, what happened
[14:56] <rickspencer3> ?
[14:56] <seb128> I'm tracking those issues and talking upstream but I'm not a gstreamer hacker
[14:56] <rickspencer3> this seems to have started a couple of days ago
[14:56] <seb128> and I've the feeling it would take days to understand the codebase
[14:56] <rickspencer3> but I couldn't see what was updated that would have introduced these
[14:56] <seb128> rickspencer3, which one?
[14:56] <seb128> the "no sound" one?
[14:58] <rickspencer3> ug, yes, that one too
[14:58] <seb128> rickspencer3, the sound issue is due to recent gst-plugins-good backports, upstream identified the commit which create the issue
[14:58] <rickspencer3> it seems that video playback really fell over recently
[14:58] <seb128> I'm waiting to see if they fix it or I will just drop this change after rc
[14:59] <seb128> dvd is probably less recent
[14:59] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[14:59] <seb128> I downgraded to some weeks old versions and still get the issue
[14:59] <seb128> we just don't have good multimedia testing coverage apparently
[14:59] <rickspencer3> ug
[15:00] <rickspencer3> so this has been there for weeks, potentially?
[15:00] <seb128> yes
[15:00] <rickspencer3> oh well
[15:00] <rickspencer3> it is what it is
[15:00] <seb128> mvo, I can confirming the issue using german
[15:00] <rickspencer3> let's crack this nut, it's an important scenario
[15:00] <mvo> seb128: what steps do I have to take to reproduce?
[15:00] <seb128> mvo, what I do is boot CD, start language selector from the menu, tick the box on the right to use same settings, click install button, select german, select dictionnaries, install
[15:01] <seb128> already when selecting the dictionnaries it displays "1 to install" not translated in the corner
[15:01] <mvo> seb128: ohhh, I think i know the issue. there is way from the app to override the synaptic progress string (instead of "download packages" it will do "downloading language support")
[15:02] <mvo> so its a language-selector bug afterall
[15:02] <mvo> ironic that its having problems with languages
[15:02] <seb128> yeah...
[15:02] <seb128> mvo, want me to open a bug?
[15:02] <mvo> seb128: please
[15:06]  * mvo boots a VM to reprouce
[15:06] <seb128> if launchpad was not timeouting that would be easier
[15:11] <asac> kenvandine: i didnt get the mail about the icons yet
[15:11] <kenvandine> asac, i need to look in my archived folder... but got distracted
[15:11]  * kenvandine goes digging
[15:12] <mvo> seb128:  urgh, I see bad translations here too, and it just froze (but that was the whole VM)
[15:14] <seb128> mvo, you will get the bug in 2 minutes, I had to restart ubuntu-bug because launchpad was not responding and dropped the transaction cookie on the floor or something
[15:17] <kenvandine> asac, sent
[15:17] <kenvandine> asac, the second mail is better, it includes aq's reply
[15:21] <asac> pitti: could you check bug 457228 ... if you dont know the TB part maybe defer to someone else from TB team
[15:21] <asac> kenvandine: thanks ... will check in a few
[15:21] <kenvandine> asac, thx!
[15:26] <seb128> mvo, bug #457235
[15:29] <mvo> seb128: I seem to be getting it only on the livecd
[15:51] <mvo> seb128: I found (and fixed) the bug in l-s
[15:51] <seb128> mvo, you rock as usual!
[15:52] <seb128> mvo, how come it's livecd specific?
[15:52] <rickspencer3> ccheney, what's the status of bug #452518
[15:52] <rickspencer3> ?
[15:52]  * rickspencer3 kicks launchpad in the nuts
[15:53] <rickspencer3> bug #<seb128> mvo, you rock as usual!
[15:53] <rickspencer3>  mvo, how come it's livecd specific?
[15:53] <rickspencer3> weird, sorry seb128 mvo, have no idea why that was in my buffer
[15:53] <rickspencer3> bug #452518
[15:53] <rickspencer3> all, please note that kicking launchpad seems to work
[15:55] <seb128> rickspencer3, seems you know where to kick indeed ;-)
[15:57] <mvo> seb128: no LANGUAGE environment :)
[15:57] <mvo> seb128: it affects all systems that do not have it
[15:57] <mvo> rickspencer3: well, I like it when someone says that I rock, no need to be sorry for repeating that :P
[15:58] <rickspencer3> hehe
[16:12] <seb128> mvo, ok
[16:13] <pitti> asac: replied to bug
[16:14] <ccheney> rickspencer3: will be fixed directly after the rc release
[16:15] <ccheney> rickspencer3: since it takes ~ 43 hours to build on arm slangasek wanted me to wait until then to fix it
[16:15] <rickspencer3> ccheney, can you mention that on the bug, it seems that the previous comments indicated it would be in the RC
[16:15] <rickspencer3> thanks
[16:15] <ccheney> rickspencer3: ah ok will update the wording
[16:19] <mvo> seb128: uploaded now
[16:19]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[16:20]  * mvo hugs seb128
[17:01] <asac> pitti: is there a way to fix the translations in the package?
[17:02] <asac> like a flag that tells the pkgtranslation stripper to not strip them?
[17:02] <asac> so they dont need to go through rosetta? ... or should be pre-upload the template/pos maybe?
[17:05] <pitti> asac: for k-n-i by any chance?
[17:06] <pitti> (we discussed that with apachelogger in #u-devel)
[17:06] <asac> pitti: that was for kubuntu-firefox-installer
[17:06] <pitti> asac: but yes to both (pre-upload to rosetta and flag to not strip)
[17:06] <asac> ok checking backlog in -devel
[17:06] <pitti> asac: right, apachelogger will upload changed pot/po to rosetta
[17:06] <pitti> so we should be good
[17:06] <asac> cool. thats perfect
[18:22] <kenvandine> asac, the u1 guys have a fix for bindwood that works for the new user case
[18:22] <kenvandine> they are now working on how to handle people already hosed
[18:22] <kenvandine> asac, it is nice to have firefox start in under 10m again :)
[18:28] <chrisccoulson> launchpad is really painful to use right now :(
[18:41] <kenvandine> asac, ping
[19:19]  * pitti chuckles about http://xkcd.com/651/ in anticipation of the next UDS trip
[19:20] <kenvandine> pitti, hehe :)
[19:27] <ccheney> pitti: actually iirc you can't keep more than one laptop battery in carry on due to that reason
[19:28] <ccheney> at least i recall reading something about limitations on batteries in carry on luggage
[19:30] <pitti> it makes sense, unlike the stupid liquid limitation..
[19:31] <kenvandine> yeah.. lets carry 1000 tiny bottles of explosives
[19:38] <dobey> ccheney: that one ozzer airline used to ban dell laptops because the batteries would catch fire
[19:46] <ccheney> dobey: heh
[19:49] <dobey> Qantas
[20:15] <soren> ccheney: I always carry two laptop batteries. I occasionally get my hand luggage inspected, but they've never given me a hard time over the extra battery.
[20:17] <dobey> heck
[20:17] <dobey> laptop, cell phone, camera, electric razor, extra batteries for stuff
[20:22] <soren> laptop (+extra battery), mobile phone, camera, video camera, electric shaver, external hard drive, iPod, power supply for all of it. Out of probably 50 trips through airport security this year, I've only been asked to open it perhaps 5-6 times.
[20:27] <mac_v> dobey: hey , whats the difference between the list-remove icon and the delete icon? where should each be used? or what is the difference
[20:28] <mac_v> edit-delete rather
[20:30] <dobey> edit-delete is for editing images/documents/whatever, and list-remove is for things that are lists (list of rss feeds, contacts, etc...)
[20:31] <mac_v> dobey: so the use of delete icon in the appearances preferences is wrong  , right? since the window shows a list of themes/icons/
[20:32] <mac_v> also the empathy contact manager uses the edit-delete icon :(
[20:33] <dobey> well, it's "Remove" for the wallpapers
[20:34] <dobey> well
[20:35] <mac_v> dobey: yeah that one is right, but the rest ).. themes) and in the customize the icon is delete...  maybe this could be a bit clearer > http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html also the device names are not updated
[20:35] <dobey> the themes thing delete (or more likely "move to trash") is probably better, since it is actually deleting something from the filesystem
[20:35] <dobey> what device names are not updated?
[20:37] <mac_v> dobey: but deleting the theme does not move it to trash. it just deletes it permanently ...
[20:37] <mac_v> dobey: the devices mentioned here > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506532#c6
[20:38] <dobey> no and they aren't going to be added to the core spec
[20:38] <mac_v> oh , ok.
[20:45] <dobey> mac_v: but yes, "delete" for themes should not be the trash icon unless it's changed to be "move to trash"
[20:46] <chrisccoulson> Amaranth - if I open several gnome-terminal windows and then save my session when I log out (so that the terminals are restored on my next session), will compiz restore the positions of the windows correctly if each of them have a unique WM_WINDOW_ROLE property (they all have the same SM_CLIENT_ID)? or does it use some other property to identify the windows?
[20:47] <mac_v> dobey: could the fdo specs page be updated? for the delete/remove.. so that it is clearer for the devs or others where the right icon must be used :)
[20:47] <mac_v> not immediately , but in time
[20:47] <Amaranth> chrisccoulson: yes
[20:48] <chrisccoulson> Amaranth - excellent, thanks!
[20:48] <Amaranth> hehe
[20:48] <chrisccoulson> Amaranth - so if a user is reporting that the positions aren't restored correctly, I should probably get them to run xprop on the windows?
[20:49] <mac_v> Amaranth: the gksu prompt still uses the animation for close ;) so does the screensaver
[20:49] <chrisccoulson> someone reported that gnome-terminal window positions aren't being restored, but i can't recreate it in metacity or compiz
[20:49] <dobey> mac_v: sure
[20:49] <Amaranth> chrisccoulson: and figure out their session id so you can get the file
[20:49] <mac_v> dobey: awesome thanks :)
[20:49] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks:)
[20:49] <Amaranth> mac_v: yeah, we changed the default close animation to fade so I didn't bother trying to hack a bunch of applications
[20:51]  * chrisccoulson pokes launchpad
[21:02] <czajkowski> launchpad is rather slow today
[21:17] <rickspencer3> pedro_, hi
[21:17] <rickspencer3> regarding bug #456646
[21:17] <rickspencer3> wait for it ...
[21:17] <rickspencer3> wait for it ...
[21:18] <rickspencer3> hello, launchpad?
[21:18] <rickspencer3> tap tap tap
[21:18] <rickspencer3> *sigh*
[21:18] <rickspencer3> pedro_, are I didn't quite get your commend on the DVD playback bug
[21:21] <pitti> good night everyone
[21:22] <seb128> 'night pitti
[22:24] <seb128> jcastro, do you think you could add a gnome-shell component to launchpad?
[22:24] <seb128> jcastro, so we could add bug watches to upstream bugs
[22:26] <jcastro> seb128: on it
[22:26] <seb128> jcastro, thanks, there is no hurry so take your time
[22:27] <jcastro> already one. :D
[22:28] <seb128> already one what?
[22:28] <jcastro> sorry, I meant "done"
[22:28] <seb128> oh, cool thanks!
[22:37]  * seb128 call it a day now
[22:37] <seb128> good night everybody
[22:38] <chrisccoulson> 'night seb128
[22:42] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[22:42] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[22:43] <seb128> rickspencer3, I was just going but just to let you know the dvd speed issue and the no sound one are fix uploaded
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> heh, i think i might know what causes bug 437425 now
[22:43] <seb128> to karmic and ubuntu-desktop ppa for testing until after rc
[22:43] <rickspencer3> seb128, !!!!
[22:43] <rickspencer3> seb128, <3
[22:43] <seb128> ;-)
[22:43] <rickspencer3> that is such great news
[22:43] <seb128> I figured you would sleep better knowing that
[22:44] <rickspencer3> for sure
[22:44]  * rickspencer3 needs to get away from the computer today
[22:44] <seb128> so good that we crossed before I close IRC
[22:45] <lifeless> rickspencer3: moovidia is apparently pretty, and a gstreamer playbin using media player
[22:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are played a "a crash fix a day" game recently? ;-)
[22:45] <rickspencer3> yeah, I need to do a few more things
[22:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - perhaps i should do ;)
[22:45] <seb128> played -> playing
[22:45] <seb128> anyway really good this time, bbl
[22:46] <seb128> or tomorrow rather
[22:49] <czajkowski> rickspencer3: launchpad needs more than a tap tap needs a swift boot :)
[22:49] <rickspencer3> czajkowski, yeah, don't know what's up
[22:50] <rickspencer3> :)
[22:50] <czajkowski> sledge hammer?
[22:51] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, so you found the cause of the DVD playback issues?
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3 - no, that wasn't me ;)
[22:53] <rickspencer3> lifeless, thanks for the moovidia tip
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> i'm tracking crashers at the moment
[22:53] <rickspencer3> ah
[22:53] <rickspencer3> well, I certainly don't want to distract you from that ;)
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> the dvd playback issues are probably slightly beyond my technical abilities ;)
[22:54] <lifeless> rickspencer3: no probs, I just asked thaytan :)
[22:55]  * rickspencer3 adds to list of people to meet
[22:55] <czajkowski> he's in Dublin for the next month then leaves us :(
[22:55] <czajkowski> thaytan that is
[22:59] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: You missed your chance, he was in Doublin when we were.
[22:59] <rickspencer3> rats
[22:59] <rickspencer3> maybe I met him when full of guiness?
[22:59] <TheMuso> thats possible.
[23:00] <czajkowski> rickspencer3: he was in o'donoghues on the Sunday night if you were there alright, which I think you were
[23:00] <rickspencer3> I was there all right
[23:01] <rickspencer3> then I was kind of above it for a little bit
[23:01] <rickspencer3> then I was in a bit of blurry version of it
[23:01] <czajkowski> bless ye did like the Guinness :)
[23:01] <rickspencer3> it's my fave, actually
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> mmmmmmm, guinness
[23:02] <czajkowski> heh, I never touch the stuff, guinness brewery is down the road and they are our clients
[23:02]  * chrisccoulson would be happy for anything containing some alcohol right now
[23:02] <czajkowski> oh kenvandine good luck on yer membership !
[23:03] <kenvandine> thx
[23:10] <czajkowski> rickspencer3: http://jaime.hemmett.org/gallery/v/August2009/?g2_page=15  DSC04259   is thaytan and luisbg and pics from the night
[23:13] <rickspencer3> hmm
[23:13] <rickspencer3> don't recognize any of those guys
[23:24] <TheMuso> kenvandine: Congrats!
[23:24] <kenvandine> TheMuso, thx :)


[00:38] <nixternal> hola people
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> y hello thar
[01:18] <seele> Riddell: hmm.. can you still call Tea "tea" if you don't serve tea?
[03:21] <ScottK> Riddell: kleopatra is not essential to get GPG and S/MIME working for Kontact (which is why we didn't promote it for Gutsy).  It does add certificate management U/I that is hugely helpful for S/MIME and so I always use it.  Since we try to be user friendly, I think we want it, but it's not essential.
[03:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[08:37] <Arby> morning all
[08:38] <davmor2> Morning :)
[09:22] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:30] <Tonio_> hum.... am I the only one who gets an ldap protocol issue when starting konversation ? that may be due to the fact I'm using ldap in kontact and konversation tries to get them somehow....
[10:03] <yuriy> fun konsole bug -- different windows seem to want to stay the same size
[10:12] <Riddell> seele: I never have tea with my tea
[10:25] <davmor2> Riddell: on wubi I'm still getting the lightbulb telling me that "incomplete Language Support" but when you click on it it opens up a window with english greyed out and an install button but it doesn't install anything :-/
[10:28] <Riddell> davmor2: only one?  I get three
[10:29] <davmor2> I get one but it never goes away
[10:29] <Riddell> yep, needs work post beta
[10:29] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll note a bug on it shortly
[10:31] <davmor2> Riddell: should jockey autostart on Kubuntu like it does on Ubuntu and xubutnu?
[10:31] <Riddell> davmor2: yes
[10:32] <Riddell> it does too, no idea if it shows up though, I don't have any non-free hardware
[10:33] <davmor2> well it hasn't yet system has been on for a while.  I'll confirm with a really install rather than a wubi one after
[10:50] <eagles0513875> is there someone i can talk to bout getting unbanned from motu channel so that i may start helping to pkg things
[10:53] <davmor2> Riddell: are you able to do a wubi test on the latest cd's?
[10:55] <davmor2> Riddell: I need to confirm a shutdown issue
[11:11] <Riddell> davmor2: not until this afternoon (when girlfriend doesn't need her computer)
[11:12] <davmor2> :)
[11:15] <davmor2> Riddell: well when you get chance just see if you have this issue https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/276693
[12:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: kleopatra is only the GUI part of the Ägypten stack, and from the selftest it runs at startup I would say half the stack is unusable because of gpgme being compiled without gpgconf
[12:50] <apachelogger> sebas: yo, what's the ETA for .2?
[12:50] <rgreening> morning all
[12:50] <sebas> apachelogger: I'm on the release announcement now ... maybe 2 hours or so?
[12:51] <apachelogger> sebas: sounds terrific :)
[12:59] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the person who banned you would probably make sense
[12:59] <apachelogger> otherwise the ubuntu irc operators
[13:02] <stdin> apachelogger: currently in progress
[13:03] <apachelogger> <3 progress :)
[13:27] <sebas> apachelogger: correction, release tomorrow, some last minute fix went in
[14:01] <seele> huh, canonical marketing is handling UX?  does that mean mpt is going to change departments or is this new UX initiative only concerned with artwork?
[14:06] <Hobbsee> seele: UX?
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: This is about as far as I can get with tooltips: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52820/
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> Fails during the linking of libplasma
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> so I'm probably doing something stupid that I'm not realizing
[14:08] <seele> Hobbsee: user experience.. something sabdfl has been throwing around in blog entries
[14:08] <apachelogger> sebas: oh kay
[14:09] <Hobbsee> seele: oh.  right.
[14:09] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: can i ask you something in pm
[14:10] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: no.
[14:10] <eagles0513875> k
[15:07] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: bug 276588 needs some sponsoring
[15:42] <\sh> Riddell: in what package I can find now the libQtGui.so.4 ?
[15:43] <\sh> ah libqt4gui
[15:43] <apachelogger> lol
[15:44] <apachelogger> \sh: are you going to backport quassel .2 or should we try to get an exception?
[15:44] <\sh> apachelogger: try to get an exception..I'm trying to fix ia32_linsd
[15:44] <\sh> ia32-libs
[15:45] <apachelogger> oh kay
[16:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you see JontheEchidna's paste on tooltips?  Could you have a look at it?
[16:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think 276588 ought to wait until after the beta is out.
[16:03] <apachelogger> k
[16:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is the linking error?
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52639/
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> aseigo said I was missing the tooltip class from libs/plasma/private
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> but I have that in my patch
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> so I'm probably doing something wrong
[16:12] <apachelogger> apparently
[16:13] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: should there be a plasma/tooltip.h as well as the plasma/tooltip_p.h?
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: it's plasma/private/tooltip_p.h
[16:15] <rgreening> hmm..
[16:15] <apachelogger> private header files have _p
[16:17] <apachelogger>  JontheEchidna: patch looks good to me(tm)
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> well it doesn't work, lol
[16:17] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: so, in the log, tooltipmanager.cpp doesn't recognize the member functions, which means it has no reference (i.e. no header defining them), correct? at least that's how I read it...
[16:18] <apachelogger> rgreening: technically
[16:18] <apachelogger> but #include <private/tooltip_p.h>
[16:18] <apachelogger> public:
[16:18] <apachelogger>     void updateTheme();
[16:19] <rgreening> right, that's why I was thinking you need a public tooltip.h
[16:19]  * rgreening could be wrong though
[16:20] <apachelogger> well, the slot is public, if the file itself is doesn't really matter there AFAIK
[16:21]  * apachelogger needs to find some food
[16:21] <rgreening> does the include line in the .cpp for tooltip_p.h need to come before the tooltipmanager.h include?
[16:21] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^
[16:24]  * JontheEchidna pulls up the patch
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> in tooltipmanager.cpp
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> tooltipmanager.h comes before the tooltip_p.h include
[16:27]  * rgreening wonders if it needs the reverse
[16:27] <rgreening> cause tooltipmanager refs stuff in the private include (just thinking...)
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> well I guess it's worth a shot
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> but it begs the question "how does this stuff work in trunk?"
[16:32] <rgreening> hmm... ok, I'm at a loss.
[16:32]  * rgreening builds it for myself.. testing
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> linking now...
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> fails, same error
[16:36] <Riddell> davmor2: bug 276693 is from a kubuntu installed to a windows drive yes?
[16:37] <davmor2> Riddell: yes it's the wubi install
[16:46] <Riddell> davmor2: when I install with wubi to a windows drive is it supposed to then boot up with ubiquity running?
[16:47] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'll see if I can figure it out...
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: thx
[16:48] <davmor2> Riddell: First it does the iso prep in windows itself, then it reboots and you should choose kubuntu then you get ubuiquity,  then it reboots and you get KDM
[16:48] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: np...
[16:52] <Riddell> davmor2: why does it need ubiquity?
[16:52] <Riddell> davmor2: anyway, ubiquity doesn't show for me and ps on the console suggests something crashed
[16:52] <Riddell> kwin crashes for one
[16:53] <Riddell> control-alt-backspace in X and it starts kde fine, shutdown is also fine
[16:53] <smarter> Riddell: any news on the i18n issue?
[16:54] <davmor2> Riddell: Wubi only handles creation of the virtual partition and how to boot.  Wubi then runs the installer from the modified image it creates in windows.
[16:54] <Tm_T> smarter: I heard it's sorted in some way, though all translations need acception/review
[16:55] <davmor2> so it is basically a standard install just to a virtual partition :)
[16:55] <smarter> Tm_T: cool
[16:57] <Riddell> davmor2: and does kwin and/or ubiquity crash for you?
[16:58] <davmor2> Riddell: No but I get no backdrop which I should have to be honest.  Install went fine it was just the shutdown or reboot I was having issues with
[16:59] <Riddell> smarter: it's bug 273489
[17:00] <Riddell> smarter: doesn't look like language packs have been updated, so I guess it's still not fixed
[17:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: I heard it's sorted in some way, though all translations need acception/review
[18:33] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if someone on Intrepid who uses kontact could do a quick test for me ...
[18:34] <ScottK> In a folder that has mail you want to delete, click on the trach icon as fast as you can for 5 - 10 times and see if it gets lost and you end up with no message selected?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> would kmail be ok?
[18:35] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:35] <ScottK> Should be the same for that.
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> I clicked it real fast 17 times but I still have a message selected
[18:36] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:36] <ScottK> Must be me then.
[18:38] <Riddell> anyone fancy doing a beta announce wiki page?
[18:38] <Riddell> nixternal?
[19:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's a wiki -> team work would be sensible ;-)
[19:04] <apachelogger> ah right, I can't edit :P
[19:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: what content?
[19:05] <apachelogger> like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Alpha5/Kubuntu ?
[19:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is new since alpha5?
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> uh
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> KDE 4.1.2 :P
[19:11] <apachelogger> yus
[19:11] <apachelogger> what else
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> wokring network manager
[19:11] <apachelogger> rly?
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> *working
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> ya, rly
[19:11] <apachelogger> ok
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> and bugfixes in general
[19:11]  * apachelogger thinks we should keep a changelog
[19:11] <apachelogger> also helps with the team reports
[19:13] <apachelogger> Adept 3.0 Beta 2
[19:38] <rgreening> apachelogger: write a script to scarf the changelogs and grab the entries > date... :)
[19:38] <rgreening> changelogs exist already in the packages
[19:39]  * rgreening ducks and hides from apachelogger, lest he hit me with the lart stick
[19:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: not all package changelog entries are useful
[19:41] <apachelogger> + that would mean someone has to maintain the list of packages to generate the changelog from
[19:41] <apachelogger> ...if we were using bzr... :P
[19:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: also what's new in Intrepid at all, since lots of hardy users will be upgrading
[19:43] <jjesse> we should give nixternal a hard time for not keeping up with that
[19:43] <jjesse> he did the release notes/wiki pages for hardy
[19:43] <jjesse> if i recall correctly
[19:44]  * apachelogger thinks nixternal doesn't love us anymore
[19:44] <Riddell> just because he got a job doesn't mean he doesn't love us
[19:45] <jjesse> he doesn't love us anymore, thats why he is working w/ rpms ;(
[19:45] <apachelogger> getting a job that doesn't involve kubuntu is pretty unloving
[19:46] <jjesse> and the best part is nixternal isn't here to defend himself
[19:46] <rgreening> apachelogger: that's why I ducked... figured for a shot across the bow :)
[19:46]  * apachelogger should start working for novell
[19:46] <nixternal> I just love Riddell now because he supported me!
[19:46] <apachelogger> that would make stealing patches easier
[19:46] <jjesse> dang he's hback
[19:46] <nixternal> jjesse: I am always here
[19:46] <nixternal> just can't answer all of the time
[19:46] <apachelogger> ^_^
[19:46] <jjesse> even when we don't want you to be here :P
[19:46] <apachelogger> lol
[19:46] <nixternal> between the hours of 06:00 and 17:00 CST I am here
[19:47]  * rgreening wishes to work for canonical F/T
[19:47] <nixternal> if you want to write SNMP MIB specs, mib readers, and a mib publisher I will be down for the help
[19:48] <apachelogger> rgreening: don't ever start contributing to the kernel then :P
[19:48] <jjesse> grin :)
[19:48] <rgreening> hahahah
[19:49] <rgreening> I would, just to add to the point 01 %
[19:49] <apachelogger> :D
[21:12] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks to me like kmobiletools got added to kubuntu-desktop when it shouldn't have due to temprorarliy being part of kdepim.
[21:12] <ScottK> Riddell: OK if I remove it?
[21:34] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead
[21:34] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Thanks.
[22:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Done.
[22:29] <Riddell> New Kubuntu desktop CDs for testing!


[03:28] <bjsnider> every image file opens at 99%
[03:36] <arthurfiggis> hello :) just a general question regarding ubuntu gnome...i'm currently using kubuntu (13.10) because of their plans to support wayland over mir, is ubuntu gnome planning to do the same for future releases? i'd like to give gnome 3 a try, but not if it means having to use mir or the dash lens :(
[03:37] <bjsnider> yes
[03:37] <bjsnider> it will be wayland
[03:37] <Noskcaj> arthurfiggis, You can install gnome3 on any ubuntu based system, if that's your issue
[03:38] <arthurfiggis> Noskcaj: oh no, i know that's already possible fortunately :) i was just wondering whether or not that'd be the case in the future more or less, or if it would require pulling in packages from canonical that i'd prefer not install :(
[03:39] <bjsnider> it will be getting better by about 14.10
[03:39] <arthurfiggis> Noskcaj, bjsnider: thanks very much for the information though, i couldn't find a good answer on google
[03:40] <arthurfiggis> bjsnider: that's great to know at least :) i don't have much invested in either xorg works fine for me as is, but wayland is the community solution whereas mir seems destined for...well, i'm not sure yet, hence the problem I suppose :P
[03:40] <arthurfiggis> (i'm not sure if canonical know either really, beyond that they'd really like to be selling tablets and cellphones)
[03:41] <bjsnider> i'm sure there will be a big push to get things working on the desktop
[03:42] <Noskcaj> Once mir properly gets going it should be interesting. If nothing else, it made wayland release faster
[03:42] <bjsnider> i think a bigger issue than mir/wayland is systemd
[03:44] <bjsnider> and it was singled out for criticism in the infamous blog post
[03:44] <arthurfiggis> bjsnider: i always thought systemd was an issue :( but that's just my general view i suppose, any solution that's locked to one particular kernel, compiler etc. i just don't like
[03:44] <bjsnider> the issue is it's locked to gnome
[03:45] <arthurfiggis> bjsnider: ahh, i see...was that largely a decision made my gnome or redhat? it seems like redhat really pushed systemd more than anyone else...but that's beyond the scope of the channel perhaps, sorry :)
[03:46] <bjsnider> i dunno who pushed it, bu lpoettering works for red hat
[03:48] <arthurfiggis> i do know that they pushed gnome 3 out a little bit earlier than they should have, which didn't help its image at the time, but that's irrelevant now :) i'm not sure what happened with gnome...2.32 was my favourite DE at the time, KDE 2.2.2 felt really...bloated :) then gnome 3 came out and things got a bit weird
[03:49] <arthurfiggis> then people like havoc pennington and de icaza started advocating for things like porting the Windows registry over in the form of the gconf database and things got -REALLY- weird
[03:50] <bjsnider> wait a minute now
[03:51] <bjsnider> gconf doesn't deal with anything important
[03:51] <arthurfiggis> if gnome 4 were less tied to systemd though that'd be great...i'd love to be able to run a more recent gnome on freebsd
[03:51] <bjsnider> it's just user customizations
[03:51] <arthurfiggis> bjsnider: well that's true...it's not technically very important, but it hid a lot of options away that were easily configurable oherwise i found :( now gnome-tweak-tool fixes pretty much all of that
[03:52] <bjsnider> anyway, gconf is dead
[03:52] <arthurfiggis> (that was when i tried the earlier gnome 3 releases anyway, i haven't in some time now but i'd like to just for the change :)  )
[03:52] <arthurfiggis> bjsnider: ahh...probably just as well then :) not as important as systemd as you say, but every bad idea that gets the axe
[03:54] <bjsnider> well dconf is a db too
[03:57] <arthurfiggis> that's true i suppose...the fact that something is stored in a database isn't necessarily the problem anyway :) but how it's implemented can  be...i never understood the logic behind hiding so many of the -basic- config options away, even the font size or icons on the desktop
[04:03] <bjsnider> well, obviously as you point out that is in tweak now
[04:15] <arthurfiggis> oh yes, there's been solutions since of course :) that's in part why i'm interested in trying gnome 3 now, the more recent releases are looking pretty good!
[04:27] <arthurfiggis> bjsnider: i do agree with your point that system-specific things like systemd are a bad thing to depend upon though :( that's perhaps the most curious choice of all, before that gnome ran just as well under freebsd as it did in linux (freebsd is what i have more experience with)
[04:28] <bjsnider> i did not make that point
[04:28] <arthurfiggis> bjsnider: oh sorry, perhaps i misunderstood
[04:28] <bjsnider> i am saying it will be a problem for canonical
[04:29] <arthurfiggis> hmm...now i'm not sure i follow then? unless systemd somehow prevents them from becoming more proprietary, which seems to be what they're interested in :(
[04:31] <bjsnider> i'm not saying it's bad for gnome to be so closely tied to systemd. if that's what they think is best, who am i to question that
[04:32] <bjsnider> it's a problem for canonical because they want to use upstart instead
[04:32] <arthurfiggis> bjsnider: ahh...yeah, that would be a bit of a stumbling block :P
[04:38] <arthurfiggis> that and intel so bluntly rebutting them for mir, that was unexpected...as i recall they stated they wouldn't even carry xmir patches upstream
[04:39] <arthurfiggis> let alone not supporting it in their drivers, in any way, period...you usually don't see a big hardware manufacturer come out that strongly on linux software :)
[06:23] <auscompgeek> Hmm, this is weird.
[06:24] <auscompgeek> gdm fails to start properly, but lightdm + unity-greeter works just fine.
[06:24] <auscompgeek> (X complains about not being able to detect my config properly)
[06:27] <darkxst> auscompgeek, logs?
[06:28] <auscompgeek> darkxst: logs didn't seem to give me much, but I could try and pastebin them
[06:28]  * auscompgeek can't remember where X stores logs
[06:28] <darkxst> gdm logs are in /var/log/gdm/:0*
[06:32] <auscompgeek> darkxst: it looks like gdm didn't create any logs today
[06:33] <darkxst> then its probably not starting, you did configure it as default display manager?
[06:35] <auscompgeek> darkxst: it was the only display manager until about 15 minutes ago, so I'd assume so
[06:36] <auscompgeek> darkxst: even tried `sudo start gdm`, which gave the same error message from X.org.
[06:36] <darkxst> auscompgeek, you can't do that!
[06:36] <darkxst> `sudo service gdm start`
[06:37] <auscompgeek> darkxst: don't `start` and `service ... start` do the same thing in upstart/ubuntu?
[06:39] <auscompgeek> darkxst: either way, whichever I do, same thing happens
[06:40] <darkxst> where/what is the error message?
[06:41] <auscompgeek> darkxst: on screen, X.org says that my display, etc. couldn't be detected and is falling back to low gfx mode
[06:41] <auscompgeek> darkxst: something along those lines
[06:41] <darkxst> and what graphics driver are you using?
[06:41] <auscompgeek> darkxst: nouveau
[06:41] <darkxst> auscompgeek, that means GLX didnt load properly
[06:41] <auscompgeek> hmm, interesting
[06:42] <darkxst> run `glxinfo | grep  -i opengl`
[06:44] <auscompgeek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6275045/
[06:46] <darkxst> that looks correct
[06:47] <darkxst> auscompgeek, either try with Nvidia proprietry driver, or find the logs
[06:48] <auscompgeek> Heh. I was considering installing nvidia drivers anyway, so might as well.
[06:49] <auscompgeek> now, to make the tough decision of which version of the driver to install
[06:54] <darkxst> 325
[06:55] <darkxst> although that might not be in saucy
[07:11] <auscompgeek> no, it isn't
[07:11] <darkxst> auscompgeek, just grab the latest version there
[07:12] <auscompgeek> yeah, good idea
[07:12] <darkxst> nvidia-experimental or whatever
[07:12] <auscompgeek> nvidia-current is nvidia-304, when 319 is available :|
[07:12]  * auscompgeek installs 319 anyway
[07:13] <ricotz> auscompgeek, nvidia-319-updates
[07:14] <auscompgeek> ricotz: heh, might as well
[07:14] <ricotz> which is 319.60 in saucy
[07:15] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-325 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 shows you were to get newer ones
[07:16] <auscompgeek> ricotz: seems edgy :P
[07:18] <ricotz> 325 isnt, 331 is ;)
[08:48] <darkxst> auscompgeek, 325 is pretty solid here
[09:51] <topyli> hm, empathy 3.10 seems to be a bit temperamental
[09:53] <topyli> auth errors (i guess) with facebook and jabber, and the dialog crashes when i go and edit the accounts. google talk works (set up via goa)
[09:54] <darkxst> topyli, facebook issues were pre-existing
[09:54] <topyli> oh yes, so it was
[09:55] <darkxst> can you file a bug for crash
[09:55] <darkxst> find the crash file in /var/crash and run ubuntu-bug crash-file
[09:58] <topyli> found it, ubuntu-bugging :)
[10:00] <topyli> two in fact, one for empathy-accounts and one for empathy-auth-client
[10:00] <darkxst> topyli, ok thanks
[10:00] <darkxst> ping the bugs to me once done, although I won't probably be able to look at them tonight
[10:01] <topyli> will do
[10:19] <clong_> Anybody about?
[10:19] <darkxst> hi clong_
[10:19] <clong_> Hello!
[10:20] <clong_> Just wondering where I can find known bugs on Ubuntu Gnome- I seem to be having some issues with 13.10, but I realise it's early days.
[10:21] <topyli> darkxst: #1242613 and #1242616
[10:22] <darkxst> clong_, relevant packages in launchpad
[10:25] <clong_> Is it under ubuntu -> gnome 3?
[10:26] <darkxst> clong_, what are you having issues with?
[10:27] <darkxst> topyli, I can't do anything much with those
[10:27] <darkxst> at the very least, try and use apport-retrace to get a backtrace
[10:28] <darkxst> topyli, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[10:28] <topyli> ok, i'll have a look
[10:28] <clong_> I think there's two seperate issues, but a specific one: two minutes ago I was at the login screen (I think due to inactivity) and I couldn't focus on the password box or type in it with keyboard. Mouse was responsive and I could press space/enter on the cancel button.
[10:29] <darkxst> clong_, that is the lock screen, so `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell`
[10:29] <clong_> thanks darkxst
[10:30] <clong_> Is this the right place? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bugs
[10:33] <darkxst> clong_, yes, but do run `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell` rather than using the link there, it collects important information that we don't get in manual bug reports ;)
[10:41] <clong_> Should I wait to run this when the problem occurs, or can I run it now?
[10:49] <mgedmin> so.... ubuntu gnome removed the ubuntu version of Online Accounts from the system preferences
[10:49] <mgedmin> but AFAICS empathy is still patched to use Ubuntu accounts
[10:49] <mgedmin> which I can't now edit in any way at all?
[11:24] <clong_> Any idea how long we have to wait for Gnome 3.10 by the way? The improvements look great...
[11:25] <mgedmin> clong_, it's in the staging PPA, but "regressions exist", so I haven't tried it out yet
[11:25] <mgedmin> wheee, speaking of regressions
[11:25] <mgedmin> gnome-terminal's ctrl+shift+t no longer uses $PWD
[11:25] <mgedmin> because now I have to put some magic into my custom shell prompt
[11:25] <mgedmin> of course /usr/share/doc/gnome-terminal/NEWS.Debian does not exist
[11:27] <mgedmin> wait, I'm stooopid
[11:27] <mgedmin> accidentally working over ssh on a remote server
[11:27] <mgedmin> of course the local gnome-terminal can't set $PWD to that
[11:38] <auscompgeek> lol
[11:38] <auscompgeek> that sounds like fun
[12:37] <mgedmin> is anyone else seeing chromium's address bar text jumping up and down after the upgrade to 13.10?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+bug/1242663
[14:05] <bjsnider> darkxst, regarding my earlier statement about the problems created by systemd 205, here's what mbiebl says about it
 in systemd 205, all cgroup handling was moved into /lib/systemd/systemd
[14:05] <bjsnider>  i.e. it's no longer possible to run systemd-logind standalone
[14:05] <bjsnider>  i.e. under sysvinit or upstart
[14:05] <bjsnider>  as a result you'll need systemd as PID 1
[14:06] <bjsnider>  or put it differently: the hacks we currently use in logind to make it run standalone, no longer work
[14:13] <x-Na> Hi! Would this be the right place to give feedback on Gnome 3.10 on Ubuntu 13.10?
[14:14] <bjsnider> yes
[14:15] <x-Na> So, the only problem I have with that is that I really do need multiple users logged in. Unfortunately selecting "Switch user" causes the gnome-shell to crash for the user that has logged in
[14:16] <x-Na> I would really like to hunt down what causes it
[14:17] <x-Na> 3.8 with GDM seems to misbehave too, but 3.8 with lightdm is ok
[16:07] <x-Na> Hmh
[17:17] <joaosantana> hi all
[19:36] <bei>   hi. i just installed ubuntu 13.10 and i would like some help getting a printer working. i am using a samsung clp-320 which has never come up with a driver but usually i can choose the 315 driver and it works but now it just tells me it has failed and drops me back to the add printer screen with no ability to manually choose. any ideas how to add it?
[19:37] <bei> to clarify, i had manually chosen other drivers in (at least) ubuntu 12.10 and 13.04
[19:40] <bei> is there a (graphical) way to manually install a printer? or do i need to install something that isn't default?
[19:42] <bei> previously i would have followed something like this: http://blog.sudobits.com/2012/04/13/how-to-install-printer-driver-on-ubuntu-12-04/
[19:43] <bei> but the steps where i can choose how a driver is chosen (in my case manually) is missing
[19:46] <bjsnider> bei, there's system-config-printer, and if you open gnome system settings there's printers
[19:50] <vagvaf> hello people, i have ubuntu gnome 13.10. every time i go to "acitivities" and start typing the name of the programm i want to find i get asked for my account password, eventhough i am not logging in with an automatic log-in
[19:50] <vagvaf> any ideas?
[19:51] <bei> bjsnider: system-config-printer seems to be more what i am used to. i will let you know if it works. i wonder why is it hidden away?
[19:52] <bjsnider> could be that gnome is planning on something more substantial in systemsettings but h aven't finished it yet
[19:53] <bei> bjsnider: yeah, good call.
[19:53] <bei> also, to developers: thanks. l love gnome 3 and ubuntu and i appreciate all the effort that goes into making this happen. i should have said that before ploughing into my concern.
[21:54] <ronj> Hi, following up on a keyboard shortcuts issue with the gnome 3.10 present in gnome3-next: can anybody else reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1242423 ? Troubleshooting / logging ideas very welcome. Thanks!
[22:48] <darkxst> ronj, please run `apport-collect 1242423`
[22:48] <darkxst> and in the future file bugs using `ubuntu-bug <package>`