[00:00] <mrkramps> lspci -nnk | grep -i VGA -A2
[00:01] <xubuntu34w> Kinda new to linux, what's the lspci command do? Also, what does the break line do?
[00:02] <mrkramps> this command just shows the gpu
[00:04] <xubuntu34w> Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09)
[00:04] <mrkramps> ok, so we're sure now it is an intel
[00:05] <mrkramps> seems like the issue with disappearing mouse pointer can be solved by changing the acceleration method
[00:05] <mrkramps> xubuntu34w, are you familiar with sudo in terminal?
[00:06] <xubuntu34w> yep, why doesn't su work in this version of linux?
[00:06] <mrkramps> sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[00:07] <mrkramps> echo -e 'Section "Device"\n Identifier "Card0"\n Driver "Intel"\nOption "AccelMethod" "uxa"\nEndSection' | sudo tee /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[00:07] <mrkramps> this creates a configuration file for changing the AccelMethod
[00:08] <mrkramps> afterwards reboot and test
[00:11] <xubuntu34w> First command just went, I should have put -v in.
[00:11] <xubuntu34w> Second command spit back this.
[00:11] <xubuntu34w> Section "Device"  Identifier "Card0"  Driver "Intel" Option "AccelMethod" "uxa" EndSection
[00:12] <xubuntu34w> Is this a system fix so it work permanently, and what did I just do altogether there?
[00:12] <mrkramps> it is a permanent systemwise fix
[00:13] <xubuntu34w> What does a break line do?
[00:13] <xubuntu34w> The |
[00:14] <mrkramps> xubuntu34w, the second command just echoes the configuration entry including required line breaks
[00:14] <mrkramps> | is a pipe
[00:14] <mrkramps> echo pipes output to tee which is adding it to a file
[00:14] <mrkramps> tee is required here as echo does not work with sudo
[00:15] <mrkramps> you can check if the configuration file is properly setup:$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[00:16] <xubuntu34w> I will reboot and be back, just a sec.
[00:16] <mrkramps> yeah
[00:23] <xubuntu63w> Worked, thank you Mr. Kramps.
[00:23] <mrkramps> you're welcome
[00:23] <xubuntu63w> I hope you have a fine day.
[00:24] <mrkramps> rather a good night =D
[00:24] <xubuntu63w> :)
[00:24] <xubuntu63w> Is there a big book on linux stuff? How do I acquire as much knowledge as you?
[00:25] <mrkramps> there are a lot of books and loads of information on the internet if you know the right search terms
[00:26] <mrkramps> but it took me about 10 years to get where i am now
[00:27] <xubuntu63w> I can understand that, I'm not looking for a life change, but I'd like to better informed without glossing over info. I don't know how you knew exactly what commands to use for my specific PC, but that was pretty impressive.
[00:27] <mrkramps> in this case i had a recent forum thread addressing this issue
[00:28] <mrkramps> and it is a known issue that intel gpus might have problems depending on acceleration method
[00:28] <xubuntu63w> Sorry I didn't find it in the forums.
[00:28] <mrkramps> german forums
[00:29] <xubuntu63w> Well, thanks for helping. Xubuntu is so much faster.
[00:30] <xubuntu63w> You're doing a good thing.
[00:30] <mrkramps> you're welcome :)
[03:11] <ironhoof> I just installed xubuntu 16.04.1 on my laptop and it installed fine. It rebooted fine I install proprietary drivers, and checked for updates and installed. I rebooted it now its sitting on a blank black screen. What should I do next?
[07:02] <sorinello_> Hello. Can someone tell me if Xubuntu can support 2 monitors ?
[07:02] <sorinello_> I have a laptop with a docking station in which I want to connect the 2 monitors
[07:02] <sorinello_> but I am unable to know if basically xubuntu will support 3 screens (2 monitors + laptop lid)
[07:02] <sorinello_> anyone has ever tried that ?
[07:03] <sorinello_> I am running the latest Xubuntu version
[07:51] <xubuntu65w> My systrem is asking me to upgarde from the 14.04 to the 16.04 version. it's a safe procedure or it may cuse problems?
[08:06] <akxwi-dave> what GPU do you have?
[08:30] <xubuntu84w> I was wondering if anyone knows how I could add a top panel to the Numix lightdm login theme? In the original theme there's no panel and it's really hard to see the time and date as well as the session icons.
[14:35] <ikonia> can someone explain what the "disable secure boot" checkbox in the xubuntu installer does ?
[14:35] <ikonia> what it's there for
[14:50] <flocculant> ikonia: I don't see that, maybe it only shows if it can be used, that said - xubuntu uses the same ubiquity as ubuntu so you might get more luck asking in #ubuntu rather than here
[15:02] <ikonia> it doesn't look like it's in ubuntu, (but it could be)
[15:02] <ikonia> a user was asking about it, I got a screen shot of it
[15:03] <ikonia> https://imagebin.ca/v/2pjePvirQnae
[15:03] <ikonia> it seems a crazy checkbox
[15:04] <flocculant> ikonia: I'm running on memory of an irc conv in -release or something, but I did see mention of it - given how that looks I would have to say that 'it only shows where it could be used'
[15:04] <flocculant> never seen it - and I test our iso's almost daily
[15:05] <flocculant> all that aside, that's part of the install which xubuntu doesn't have anything to do with
[15:05] <flocculant> I would suspect that user would see the same with an Ubuntu installer under exactly the same circumstances
[15:08] <flocculant> and when I say 'never seen it' I mean exactly that :)
[15:19] <ikonia> I'd never seen it either
[15:19] <ikonia> thats why I asked for a screen shot
[15:19] <ikonia> it seems the most pointless and missleading thing possible
[15:19] <flocculant> I've asked someone else
[15:20] <genii> ikonia: What, the "Disable Secure Boot" ?
[15:22] <ikonia> genii: yes
[15:25] <flocculant> ikonia: currently (unless genii comes through) people I know to ask aren't about
[15:26] <genii> If you selected earlier to install 3rd party repositories, it will show that screen
[15:26] <flocculant> ikonia: actually cyphermox was awake > <cyphermox> flocculant: that's largely it, it does what it says
[15:26] <ikonia> it can't disable secure boot
[15:27] <ikonia> that would defeat the whole object of secure boot
[15:27] <ikonia> it can't "do what it says"
[15:27] <flocculant> cyphermox> disabling secure boot validation in shim -- which means that the shim signature (the MS signature, which gets checked by the BIOS directly) will still be verified, but nothing past that
[15:27] <ikonia> that is quite missleading
[15:27] <ikonia> thank you for looking into it though
[15:27] <ikonia> that is useful to know
[15:27] <flocculant> ikonia: your welcome as always
[15:28] <flocculant> if you think it's misleading - then perhaps ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[15:28] <flocculant> ikonia: also > cyphermox> in other words, that's something that only affects Linux if you dual-boot, and you're not touching the rest of the BIOS at all -- but it will affect any distro that uses shim
[15:29] <ikonia> I may submit a bug/patch for rewording that
[15:29] <ikonia> really useful info though
[15:32] <flocculant> ikonia: well if you do - ping me with the # - might subscribe to it - I'd certainly 'me too' it
[15:32] <ikonia> thank you
[15:34] <flocculant> yw
[15:34] <flocculant> and thanks for asking - always nice to find things out :)
[16:29] <GridCube> D: i lost all my shortcuts
[16:43] <GridCube> well restarting brought my shortcuts back, except ctrl-shift-u
[16:43] <GridCube> :/
[18:44] <xubuntu49i> hi every body
[18:47] <akxwi-dave> hi
[18:48] <knome> akxwi-dave, gone already..
[18:48] <akxwi-dave> lol
[18:48] <akxwi-dave> didn't wait long..:-)
[18:49] <knome> nope
[19:16] <Kouki> is bug with icon fonts fixed? http://i.imgur.com/sW3Xg5P.png
[19:16] <Kouki> see, icon strings are moved to left
[19:18] <flocculant> Kouki: afaik - no
[19:20] <Kouki> so i must enjoy an clean xfce desktop ;P
[20:32] <quantibiliy> someone hasn't been doing their homework when you guys updated to ubuntu 16.0.4
[20:33] <xangua> There's no 16.0.4
[20:33] <quantibiliy> well what ever the dang update was it just rattled my nerves to no end
[20:34] <Pici> In what way?
[20:36] <quantibiliy> well i can't use AMD drivers?? can't use Catalyst
[20:36] <Stefan_J> Hello.
[20:36] <flocculant> quantibiliy: did you actually read any of the release notes?
[20:36] <quantibiliy> without it i get a bit of bleed over from screen one to screen too...
[20:37] <quantibiliy> Flocculant no
[20:37] <knome> quantibiliy, i think what you mean you are the one who didn't do their homework.
[20:37] <knome> quantibiliy, the release notes clearly say there aren't AMD drivers yet...
[20:37] <knome> Stefan_J, hello
[20:37] <quantibiliy> knome,  good call. that still doesn't mean that people can't fix issues... like here's one, going into a Zip file the indicators goes screwy
[20:38] <flocculant> quantibiliy: I even mention the fglrx deprecation on the announcement at xubuntu.org
[20:38] <quantibiliy> Flocculant, fair enough. but i got other issues here that im addressing
[20:38] <knome> quantibiliy, no, it doesn't mean people can't fix issues... but it doesn't mean they will either, as everybody working on xubuntu is a volunteer
[20:38] <Stefan_J> Can someone help me? I've just upgraded to 16.04 on my laptop. I use additional screen, and when I switch cursor from one to another, the one I left flickers. Same if I move cursor over a flash game or a video, also sometimes flickers.
[20:39] <quantibiliy> yeah thats another thing
[20:39] <quantibiliy> the dual screen options got weird on me when first booted
[20:40] <quantibiliy> i don't know what the problem is with my google chrome but i can't find the site that i favorited...
[20:40] <quantibiliy> which was the site for people who want to help with bugs cause im tired of seeing them
[20:42] <quantibiliy> never mind found it
[20:42]  * Stefan_J pokes kau.
[20:42]  * kau sniffs out Stefan_J
[20:43] <kau> :D
[20:43] <knome> Stefan_J, which graphics card are you using?
[20:44] <quantibiliy> what the command to find my graphics card info?
[20:44] <flocculant> Stefan_J: I've seen oddities - but only on a specific website - and only with firefox
[20:45] <flocculant> quantibiliy: inxi -G will tell you
[20:45] <quantibiliy> thank you
[20:46] <Stefan_J> Trying to find out, knome.Graphics:  Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[20:46] <Stefan_J>            Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
[20:46] <Stefan_J>            Resolution<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:46] <Stefan_J>            GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ironlake Mobile
[20:46] <Stefan_J>            GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 11.2.0
[20:46] <quantibiliy> Radeon HD 6620G
[20:46] <flocculant> Stefan_J: use pastebin nect time :)
[20:46] <Stefan_J> Yeah, sorry.
[20:47] <Stefan_J> Didn't mean to paste it all.
[20:48] <flocculant> quantibiliy: the long and short is *we* can only test what *we* can with our hardware - which is why I send out mails for people to test, but we're only really able to do that for xubuntu packages, we have to rely on ubuntu for the majority
[20:49] <quantibiliy> yes i know, its ok, im calming myself down now im here to help i have experience with programming and i do find more bugs then the average joe, I even have xubuntu code on my puter, though i never looked at it.
[20:50] <flocculant> I'd much rather you were about during the rest of the 2 year cycle ;)
[20:50] <quantibiliy> apart from that, i do have another question, who decided on the color scheme its awful
[20:51] <quantibiliy> i need to change that cause im done with it brb
[20:51] <quantibiliy> oops not your falt it was the oxygen one
[20:52] <knome> and xubuntu does ship the gtk theme configuration tool, so you can actually change the highlight colors easily
[20:52] <knome> ...which you would know if you ever read anything ;)
[20:54] <quantibiliy> yes i do read
[20:54] <quantibiliy> i read better then most peoople my age
[20:56] <quantibiliy> so i had a few ideas before this escaped with installing this new system
[20:57] <quantibiliy> not sure if i can script or i have to actually code it...
[20:59] <Stefan_J> So, does anyone have any idea about my problem?
[20:59] <quantibiliy> one, was sleep timer, cause sometimes i watch a movie or show and want the computer to shut down after a certain time.. as well as que the next link after a show is done though it think that may be an issue that would have to do with the browswer
[20:59] <quantibiliy> Stefan
[20:59] <quantibiliy> Stefan_J,
[20:59] <quantibiliy> version 16?
[21:00] <Stefan_J> Yes.
[21:01] <quantibiliy> welp you hafta wait
[21:01] <quantibiliy> im pretty sure you have to wait
[21:01] <quantibiliy> like me
[21:02] <quantibiliy> i have an issue that isn't resolved with the kernel.
[21:02] <quantibiliy> i have a sliver of screen from my first  to my second .. won't go away except with a resolution change but that makes the dual screens get all screwy
[21:03] <Stefan_J> Wait for what?
[21:04] <quantibiliy> screen one has a sliver on screen two
[21:05] <quantibiliy> whats your issue?
 Can someone help me? I've just upgraded to 16.04 on my laptop. I use additional screen, and when I switch cursor from one to another, the one I left flickers. Same if I move cursor over a flash game or a video, also sometimes flickers.
[21:06] <quantibiliy> ah sorry i did try to back read
[21:06] <quantibiliy> you beat me too it
[21:06] <quantibiliy> so you need the drivers as i do
[21:06] <quantibiliy> yeah im pretty sure you have to wait like i do. have you tried resolution changing?
[21:07] <quantibiliy> Stefan_J,
[21:08] <Stefan_J> Haven't.
[21:08] <quantibiliy> TRY a slightly less resolution and see if that helps
[21:08] <Stefan_J> Slightly? How do I slightly change it?
[21:08] <quantibiliy> just drop it one level thats apropriate for the screen you're using
[21:09] <quantibiliy> the second screen that isn't the computer
[21:10] <Stefan_J> Nothing changes.
[21:10] <Stefan_J> I guess I'll wait for driver?
[21:11] <quantibiliy> my guess its that its a "drawing" issue, when you move your curser from to the other there's a resolution change, try setting BOTH screens to the same level
[21:12] <quantibiliy> Stefan_J,
[21:14] <quantibiliy> please let me know if that helped
[21:14] <Stefan_J> Can't set same resolution, they're not the same shape.
[21:18] <quantibiliy> well try something the same thats reasonable if it works than its a drawing issue that needs the driver, but im pretty sure the driver is the issue, im probably just talking out my butt right now... i wish i can help further
[21:18] <quantibiliy> Stefan_J,
[21:19] <quantibiliy> I know you won't keep it just check
[21:19] <Stefan_J> Tried, didn't work.
[21:19] <quantibiliy> darn im sorry man
[21:19] <Stefan_J> It's OK.
[21:20] <quantibiliy> linux is the shiznit though
[21:22] <quantibiliy> Stefan_J, ill see if there are answers on google for ya... im pretty good with it
[21:24] <quantibiliy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1522922 similar but not hte same right?
[21:39] <Stefan_J> Don't know.


[05:08] <hikiko> Hi
[05:28] <qengho> hikiko: howdy!
[05:29] <hikiko> hi qengho
[05:30] <hikiko> how are you ?
[05:32] <qengho> hikiko: good!  Otherwise, great.
[05:32] <qengho> hikiko: And you? What's new?
[05:35] <hikiko> I'm just doing fixes in software rendering and oem work but your question just reminded me that I forgot to mail my bullets for the meeting yesterday...  :-/
[05:39] <qengho> Dang!
[05:47] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[05:52] <qengho> Bonjour!
[05:58] <seb128> k, arriving to the airport, have a nice day everyone
[05:59] <didrocks> hey qengho
[06:00] <qengho> didrocks: salut!
[07:13] <pitti> Good morning
[07:43] <didrocks> oh bonjour pitti !
[07:43] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! ça va ?
[07:43] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[07:46] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien, merci ! on a vu le match hier soir à un place de "public viewing", c'était bien !
[07:46] <pitti> enfin c'est l'été !
[07:47] <didrocks> il va même faire très chaud :)
[07:47] <didrocks> un match de quoi ? (ok, je sors -> ;))
[07:50] <pitti> didrocks: Allemagne vs. Nord Ireland
[07:51] <pitti> didrocks: Je crois que tu ne le sais pas, mais il y a un compétition de soccer européen en France maintenant :-P
[07:52] <didrocks> ah vraiment ? c'est quoi le soccer ? ;)
[07:52]  * pitti te donne une accolade
[07:52] <didrocks> ah, c'est pour ça qu'on nous embête à Lyon avec beaucoup de monde dans les transports en commun :p
[07:52]  * didrocks donne une accolade à pitti en retour
[07:53] <pitti> argh, "football"
[07:53] <pitti> français a un vrai mot pour ça, au contraire d'anglais :)
[07:55] <didrocks> un mot en anglais par contre :p
[07:55] <pitti> it's all completely wrong :)
[08:00] <willcooke> morning
[08:01] <qengho> 'sup.
[08:02] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:02] <willcooke> hey qengho!  How's it going over there?
[08:02] <willcooke> morning seb128, on the way to the airport already?
[08:02] <seb128> willcooke, waiting for boarding
[08:02] <willcooke> seb128, what time do you land?
[08:02] <seb128> 12:17 I think
[08:03] <seb128> it was either early or late
[08:03] <willcooke> oh nice!  Are you going to do some sightseeing?
[08:03] <willcooke> I hear it's a really lovely city
[08:03] <seb128> earlier is better, let some time to see sunlight and adjust to the tz
[08:03] <seb128> yeah
[08:03] <seb128> when do you land?
[08:03] <Laney> moin
[08:03] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:04] <pitti> Laney: bos worker spam> FYI, bos01 is back alive
[08:04] <willcooke> seb128, 1930
[08:04] <qengho> willcooke: I like it. Great food. Friendly people. Good internet.
[08:04] <willcooke> qengho, \o/
[08:05] <qengho> willcooke: The office is nicer than you let on.
[08:05] <seb128> willcooke, k, see you at the hotel after dinner I guess
[08:05] <willcooke> qengho, oh, great!  I remember the food places being good
[08:06]  * qengho goes to t'gram some food photos.
[08:06] <Laney> pitti: righto
[08:07] <Laney> seb128: good, planted out some more veg last night!
[08:07] <Laney> you?
[08:07] <Laney> early start?
[08:07] <Laney> thought you people would be offline today
[08:07]  * willcooke is doing slides
[08:07] <seb128> Laney, for some definition of early, I left at 7am
[08:08] <seb128> so it's like half an hour earlier than the day where I manage to get out of bed easily
[08:09] <seb128> Laney, I'm in schiphol waiting for boarding
[08:09] <seb128> they have free internet so I can as well use it to say hey ;-)
[08:09] <seb128> willcooke, keep something for the plane!
[08:09] <seb128> though if slides are done I guess you can watch movies
[08:10] <willcooke> ha
[08:10] <willcooke> Was going to hack on my snap a little
[08:10] <seb128> that's the spirit
[08:10] <willcooke> and fix moar theme bugs :)
[08:10] <seb128> I took some of that as well
[08:10] <seb128> wooot
[08:11] <seb128> better theme ftw
[08:11] <Laney> 3.20 theme bugs right?

[08:12] <willcooke> I'll get up testing machine upgraded actually, and start looking at 3.20
[08:12] <seb128> lts first!
[08:12] <willcooke> Laney, what do you think about removing all the image borders and gradients and flattening it off a bit?
[08:12] <seb128> think of the users
[08:14] <willcooke> should probably fix the rest of the notebook tabs at some point.  Maybe that's a job for the plane
[08:14] <Laney> lts already has been first
[08:14] <Laney> flattening> no idea, my design brain is bad
[08:15] <Laney> is there another theme that does that?
[08:15] <seb128> it's going to be around for long though so deserve some more work
[08:15] <seb128> but yeah, need to find a balance
[08:15] <willcooke> I was thinking more for speed, I wonder if removing all the images would be faster
[08:15] <seb128> it's tricky
[08:16] <Laney> you could probably replace most of the images with css
[08:23] <seb128> k, time for boarding see you later!
[08:24] <Laney> happy flight
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: bon vol !
[08:25] <seb128> thanks
[08:27] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:29] <Trevinho> Safe travels seb128 and willcooke
[08:30] <Trevinho> Laney: have you see my msg about gedit?
[08:30] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho :)
[08:30] <Laney> hi Trevinho
[08:31] <Laney> yeah
[08:31] <Laney> how do you enable that thing?
[08:31] <Laney> probably easiest to just try 3.20
[08:31] <Trevinho> Laney: preferences
[08:31] <Laney> jhbuild that shizzle and see if it works there
[08:32] <Laney> GtkSourceMap
[08:32] <Laney> intriguing
[08:35] <Laney> Trevinho: trying your branch in a minute
[08:35] <Laney> there is a corresponding unity which sets css names right?
[08:37] <Trevinho> Laney: nope. Classes were already there
[08:40] <Laney> hey your branch broke the wallpaper
[08:40] <Laney> how can that be
[08:41] <Laney> not true
[08:41] <Laney> something else did
[08:41] <Laney> FFS
[08:42]  * Laney cries
[08:44] <Trevinho> Mhmh, broke in which sense?
[08:44]  * Trevinho sees why we didn't use 3.20 in Xenial...
[08:44] <Laney> it's not your branch
[08:44] <Laney> but it did just stop working for me
[08:44] <Laney> which is WTF
[08:44] <Trevinho> Yeah I read ..
[08:44] <Laney> black background
[08:45] <Laney> i didn't even upgrade anything
[08:45] <Laney> but then nautilus -q; nautilus
[08:45] <Laney> and it doesn't break again
[08:45] <Laney> wrweriowejroiwejfsekjSEFJOESOFJWEOJ
[08:45] <Trevinho> It's a new style... Wallpapers are overestimated
[08:46] <Laney> bbbbbbbbbbbbbut nothing changed
[09:09] <Laney> weird
[09:09] <Laney> dist-upgrade, reboot -> works
[09:09]  * Laney la la la, nothing to see here
[09:16] <willcooke> :D
[10:36] <Laney> Trevinho: gtksourceview3 in the ppa fixes the overview thing
[10:36] <Laney> once built
[10:38]  * Laney takes a look at popovers
[11:15] <andyrock> good morning
[11:17] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[11:56] <willcooke> right, off to airport
[11:56] <willcooke> toodles
[11:58] <Laney> hf
[15:44] <Laney> someone with a y system
[15:44] <Laney> do the sliders in indicator-sound work for you?
[15:44] <Laney> for me they do nooooooooot
[15:45] <Laney> I guess it could somehow be gtk 3.20 ¬_¬
[15:50] <Laney> hah
[15:50] <Laney> i'd selected a different output
[15:51] <Laney> or something did that for me
[17:34] <Laney> WAH
[17:34] <Laney> night!


[04:30] <pitti> Good morning
[05:52] <larsu> morning!
[06:12] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[06:18] <larsu> pitti: gut danke! Und dir?
[06:18]  * larsu ist müde
[06:18] <pitti> larsu: ganz gut, danke, obwohl ich schon 5:30 aufgestanden bin..
[06:18] <pitti> but I want to get this NFS systemdification done :)
[06:21] <larsu> pitti: ah cool how is that coming along?
[06:21] <pitti> larsu: quite some work, but just now I have a VM where stuff starts to work
[06:22] <larsu> neat. happy hacking!
[06:41] <darkxst> hey seb128,  pitti, larsu
[06:41] <larsu> hi darkxst!
[06:41] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:42] <darkxst> I have also done a titlebar patch for gnome-contacts (on ppa:ubuntu-gnome-packaging/staging) can you guys review the UI?
[06:42] <pitti> bonjour seb128 -- tu es plus tôt que didrocks !
[06:42] <pitti> hey darkxst
[06:42] <darkxst> I suspect it might need some sort of menu brought back?
[06:43] <seb128> pitti, oui, régulièrement en ce moment :-)
[06:43] <larsu> darkxst: can you point me to the branch for that please? Or the upstream bug
[06:45] <darkxst> larsu havent filed upstream yet
[06:46] <darkxst> at this point wondering if any other UI changes are required like menu's etc
[06:47] <darkxst> larsu this is the patch http://pastebin.com/G9zZYd7g
[06:51] <larsu> darkxst: I'll have a look
[06:51] <larsu> darkxst: most certainly - it doesn't have a traditional menu bar right now, does it?
[06:52] <darkxst> 3.14 has no menu
[06:52] <darkxst> (not even gear menu's)
[06:53] <larsu> not even and app menu?
[06:53] <larsu> oh, I'm on 3.8
[06:54] <larsu> do you want to update it to 3.14? Isn't it a bit late in the cycle for that?
[06:57] <darkxst> larsu, yes, seb128 said it would probably be ok FFe if we fix the UI
[07:00] <darkxst> larsu it does have an appmenu, with just one entry for change address book
[07:01] <larsu> darkxst: unity is not displaying that for me right now, but I think that's its fault...
[07:02] <larsu> darkxst: if we fix the ui, let's do it right and add a menubar
[07:05] <darkxst> larsu ok, will do
[07:06] <darkxst> larsu, and what about the headerbar buttons in add/edit contact?
[07:07] <darkxst> are they ok? or not
[07:07] <larsu> give me a second, haven't built it yet
[07:10] <didrocks> good morning
[07:10] <larsu> bonjour didrocks!
[07:10] <didrocks> hey larsu, how are you?
[07:11] <larsu> didrocks: great thanks! How about you?
[07:11] <didrocks> I'm good, thanks :)
[07:11] <larsu> darkxst: I still have window controls in the toolbar...
[07:12] <larsu> darkxst: http://i.imgur.com/IxOeMBb.png
[07:12] <larsu> also: it doesn't have a proper window title
[07:13] <larsu> ugh, this is a really weird UI
[07:13] <larsu> is this a default app?
[07:14] <darkxst> larsu, oh I didn't disable window controls for the left toolbar
[07:14] <larsu> seb128: ^^? I think updating gnome-contact's ui might not be worth it. It's weird no matter what we do
[07:15] <larsu> ah, it makes more sense in Adwaita where the headerbar changes color when in edit mode
[07:15] <darkxst> larsu, what do you mean by default? it is for GNOME and Ubuntu
[07:16] <larsu> darkxst: i'm asking if we ship it by default
[07:16] <larsu> on unity
[07:16] <darkxst> larsu, yes
[07:17] <larsu> seriously? Why?
[07:18] <larsu> oh, csd crashed compiz again :/
[07:18] <darkxst> larsu to manage contacts for UOA I guess
[07:18] <darkxst> (still need to merge those patches though
[07:20] <pitti> bonjour didrocks!
[07:20] <larsu> darkxst: the avatar chooser dialog uses a header bar as well
[07:20] <didrocks> hey pitti! how is it going?
[07:21] <larsu> probably doesn't listen to Gtk/DialogsUseHeaderbar
[07:21] <pitti> didrocks: quite well, thanks! still fighting a few ordering cycles, but my VM has NFS mounts/server under systemd now
[07:21] <didrocks> pitti: I'll have time to start on this today if you wish
[07:22] <darkxst> larsu, will look into that
[07:22] <didrocks> pitti: btw, did you see my autopkgtests? (I subsribed you to the bug IIRC)
[07:22] <pitti> didrocks: I did, thanks! I'll look at them ASAP
[07:22] <didrocks> pitti: sweet, so once I have proceeded some small changes on ubuntu make, I will setup the vm
[07:23] <didrocks> pitti: if you need help…
[07:23] <seb128> larsu, yeah, looks weird, what features/other things changed that makes us want to update?
[07:23] <pitti> didrocks: I need a bit more time to fix rpcbind, and another fix in my package, then I'll upload it to a PPA and we can have a quick discussion about the TODOs?
[07:23] <didrocks> pitti: sounds like a plan
[07:24] <larsu> seb128: I don't know. This is the first I hear of us wanting to update. To be honest, the version we have now is not much better
[07:25] <larsu> for example, it has theming errors
[07:29] <seb128> larsu, it's not like the app was very useful or something users interact with daily
[07:29] <seb128> so even if it looks a bit weird it's not the end of the world
[07:31] <darkxst> don't think there are really any new features, we really just want it for the more coherent UI on GNOME
[07:33] <darkxst> and in GNOME contacts come up in the overview search, which then open contacts, so maybe it gets used a little more on our side
[07:34] <larsu> fair enough
[07:34] <larsu> ui sucks on unity for both versions
[07:34] <larsu> so we might as well update and have a better experience on gnome
[07:37] <darkxst> ok, I will fix remaining issues in the next couple of days
[08:05] <didrocks> larsu: ah, I found the other app I was using which has transparent background (what we discussed the other day)
[08:05] <didrocks> larsu: it's gnome-boxes
[08:13] <larsu> didrocks: uh oh, /me tests
[08:15] <larsu> didrocks: works for me... where exactly do you see a transparent bg?
[08:15] <larsu> it also has a headerbar now?!
[08:16] <didrocks> larsu: the main view is transparent
[08:16] <larsu> weird!
[08:16]  * larsu wonders why he doesn't see that
[08:17] <didrocks> larsu: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/gnome-boxes.png
[08:17] <larsu> didrocks: I believe you ;)
[08:17] <didrocks> larsu: I'm not up to date since Friday, but I doubt anything changed theme-wise?
[08:17] <larsu> didrocks: ah! I have it when clicking on new
[08:18] <didrocks> larsu: can be triggered only when you have some vms, and back
[08:18] <didrocks> maybe ;)
[08:19] <larsu> didrocks: ok I have a patch
[08:19] <larsu> in gtkinspector...
[08:20] <didrocks> sweet!
[08:20] <larsu> didrocks: the transparent background you have is almost an inversion of the new design :)
[08:21] <larsu> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/initial-app-states/boxes.png
[08:21] <larsu> they want to do this with different images for all apps
[08:22] <didrocks> larsu: ahah, indeed!
[08:22] <didrocks> larsu: I have the experimental version. TBH, it's really cool
[08:22] <didrocks> not easy to read though :p
[08:23] <larsu> experimental?
[08:23] <didrocks> larsu: the one with the inverse design (j/k)
[08:24] <larsu> oh, haha :D
[08:39] <larsu> didrocks: bah, finding more and more issues with it :/
[08:40] <didrocks> argh :/
[08:52] <larsu> didrocks: I think we'll need to blacklist that one. Seems like it overwrites its own css sometimes. I can't do anything about that from within the theme
[08:54] <didrocks> larsu: I guess as long as we can avoid transparency, it will be at least usable
[08:55] <larsu> oh great, the blacklist is hardcoded :(
[08:55] <larsu> didrocks: right
[08:56] <didrocks> larsu: yeah, that wasn't an engineering decision
[08:57] <larsu> oh, really?
[08:57] <didrocks> yep :)
[09:07] <Laney> hey ho
[09:07] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:10] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:10] <larsu> hi Laney!
[09:10] <larsu> Laney: do we SRU stuff like in bug #1427352 ?
[09:11]  * larsu would probably say its not worth it
[09:13] <Laney> larsu: could batch it up for the next SRU I guess
[09:17] <larsu> sounds good to me
[09:18] <seb128> those changes look a bit non trivial
[09:18] <seb128> but I guess we are pretty confident they are safe?
[09:18] <seb128> the upstream bug mentioned a regression following the revert, but that's what the second patch fixes?
[09:20] <larsu> yeah that's what I figured
[09:23] <jibel> ogra_, yeah
[09:24] <ogra_> heh ... ECHAN ?
[09:24] <ogra_> :)
[09:28] <jibel> ogra_, indeed, that's the second time I switch from ci-eng to desktop without noticing :(
[09:28] <jibel> sorry
[09:29] <ogra_> heh
[11:12] <flexiondotorg> Laney, gave the /etc/skel stuff some thought lastnight and have a solution I'll be working on.
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> The new GTK2 appears to have a regression affecting Ubuntu MATE and Xubuntu.
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1425401
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> I'll poke at that a bit more later.
[12:02] <Laney> anyone remember offhand what the indicator calls to shutdown?
[12:03] <Laney> is it the method on gnome-session?
[12:04] <larsu> Laney: I think so. Let me check
[12:04] <Laney> larsu: no bother, I can just as easily check it
[12:04] <Laney> just wondered if anyone knew already
[12:07] <Laney> aha, logind calls it PowerOff
[12:07]  * Laney sees movement towards switching the default and has decided to actually file this shutdown hang
[12:08] <Laney> doesn't happen with sudo poweroff -> testing logind
[12:09] <Laney> ...worked
[12:09] <Laney> maybe the problem has gone...
[12:13] <Laney> no, wtf, when I use the indicator directly it's still buggy
[12:13] <Laney> is the difference whether I'm on the debug shell or not?
[12:36] <xnox> Laney: policykit not working right via indicator?
[12:37] <Laney> I don't know
[12:37] <Laney> the monitors go blank so I think it's doing some work
[12:37] <Laney> but I can't change vt and network is down ... hard to poke into the system
[12:37] <Laney> it sounds like this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763028
[12:39] <Laney> ah yes, I see in the journal that shutdown did reach systemd
[14:20] <desrt> Laney: poke
[14:34] <Laney> hi desrt
[14:35] <desrt> Laney: wanted to chat about dconf and what the plan is
[14:36] <Laney> ok
[14:36] <Laney> do we need the split in vivid?
[14:36] <desrt> no.  we don't.
[14:36] <Laney> past the freeze now you see
[14:36] <desrt> ya.  that's why i wanted to talk :)
[14:36] <desrt> it would be perfectly fine, imo, to just leave the old version in place
[14:36] <Laney> good
[14:36] <desrt> good
[14:36] <desrt> good talk :)
[14:36] <didrocks> until then, Laney is happy ;)
[14:36]  * didrocks waits for the "BUT"
[14:36] <Laney> BUT
[14:37] <Laney> :)
[14:37] <Laney> well, the only thing I can think of is if there are fixes required to our version
[14:37] <didrocks> Laney: or maybe, desrt was just teasing you, so that you hold on your breath :)
[14:37] <Laney> cherry-picks or keep the branch going upstream for a bit
[14:37] <desrt> Laney: there were some minor changes to the editor
[14:38] <desrt> dconf had a pretty slow cycle though
[14:38] <desrt> and now i'm intentionally holding off on further changes :p
[14:38] <Laney> ya, I checked git out
[14:38] <desrt> a few UI tweaks in the editor
[14:38] <desrt> updated translations
[14:38] <desrt> stuff like that
[14:39] <Laney> I'll get it in experimental at some point soon
[14:39] <desrt> turns out i botched the split anyway
[14:39] <desrt> dconf-editor's manpage is still in dconf :p
[14:40] <desrt> which is all kinds of annoying
[14:40] <Laney> heh
[14:40] <desrt> it's written in docbook
[14:40] <desrt> and i really don't want to strap the gtk-doc monster back into dconf-editor just for one manpage
[14:40] <desrt> ...for a GUI app with no commandline arguments
[14:41] <desrt> i'd probably just drop it entirely if i didn't think i'd catch flak from you debian types
[14:43] <Laney> time to brush up on your troff?
[14:44] <didrocks> desrt: like if anybody cared about man pages… but shhhh, don't repeat that to Laney :p
[14:44] <didrocks> OH WAIT!
[14:44] <didrocks> ;)
[14:44] <Laney> TRUST THE POLICY
[14:45] <didrocks> Laney: tbh, as long as foo --help doesn't run anything else than printing an help on my machine, I'm happy :)
[14:45] <didrocks> Laney: THAT should be part of the policy!
[14:46] <Laney><EMAIL_ADDRESS>for you
[14:46] <desrt> Laney: i was actually thinking about taking the generated output and copying it into the dconf-editor package
[14:46] <desrt> it's not like anyone is ever going to touch it ever again
[14:46] <desrt> wanna check with robert_ancell first, though, since he wrote it
[14:48]  * Laney nods
[15:01] <desrt> can people check two things for me?
[15:01] <desrt> 1) the value of gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility
[15:01] <desrt> 2) whether or not at-spi is running
[15:04] <Laney> which process is indicative of (2)?
[15:05] <desrt> a bunch of them with "at-spi" in the name
[15:05] <Laney> it's false and I have at-spi-bus-launcher and at-spi2-registryd
[15:06] <desrt> at-spi2-registryd, dbus-daemon --config-file=/etc/at-spi2/accessibility.conf, at-spi-bus-launcher, etc
[15:06] <desrt> right.
[15:06] <desrt> annoying bug.
[15:06] <desrt> gnome-session is careful not to start at-spi if toolkit-accessibility is false
[15:06] <desrt> but when gtk starts up, atspi client library tries to figure out how to contact the accessibility bus
[15:07] <desrt> which it does by making a dbus call to the registry service -- which is dbusactivatable...
[15:07] <desrt> not sure why something is both dbusactivatable and autostart.....
[15:25] <qengho> I got notification that our meeting is an hour later than usual. Seem right?
[15:27] <didrocks> qengho: no, it should be in 4 minutes
[15:28] <seb128> Laney, just as sa fyi https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745536
[15:28] <Laney> ha
[15:28] <seb128> Laney, the gdk_event_apply_filters change makes spotify segfault
[15:29] <Laney> the famous commit!
[15:29] <seb128> yeah
[15:30] <seb128> ok, seems like it's meeting time
[15:31] <seb128> attente_, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, Laney, larsu, qengho, Sweet5hark1, tkamppeter, hey
[15:31] <desrt> NICE
[15:31] <seb128> #startmeeting
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar  3 15:31:54 2015 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:32] <seb128> let's get started
[15:32] <seb128> #topic attente
[15:32] <seb128> attente_, hey
[15:32] <attente_> hi
[15:32] <attente_> finished porting fcitx-qimpanel to Qt 5, so fcitx should work once we have all required qtmir support
[15:32] <attente_> next up: ibus investigation
[15:33] <seb128> nice
[15:33] <attente_> the port is proposed upstream
[15:33] <seb128> did you get the fcitx u-s-d/u-c-c/indicator ffe?
[15:33] <attente_> no, i'm not sure who to ping for that, the ffe is there, i just resubscribed ubuntu-release
[15:34] <seb128> k, let's wait a bit, otherwise Laney might be able to help you?
[15:34] <seb128> thanks attente_
[15:34] <attente_> sure
[15:34] <Laney> didn't see any mail about it, maybe do something to generate one
[15:34] <seb128> #topic desrt
[15:34] <seb128> desrt, hey
[15:34] <desrt> hi
[15:34] <desrt> did really a lot of cleaning up on bugs and reviewing patches in the past weeks
[15:34] <desrt> rejected lots of stuff =)
[15:35] <desrt> also finally did the long-requested split of dconf and dconf-editor
[15:35] <desrt> made releases on both of those yesterday, along with a new glib release
[15:35] <desrt> landed my mount-monitor rework branch yesterday, moving on to rebasing the filemonitor cleanup work next, hopefully can land that son
[15:35] <desrt> *soon
[15:36] <desrt> at the same time, looking into a11y issues -- atspi is being started even when it has no reason to be, and i want to stop that from happening
[15:36] <desrt> also: i'm sick (again/still?) >:|
[15:36] <desrt> the end.
[15:37] <seb128> desrt, thanks, and get better!
[15:37] <seb128> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[15:37] <dgadomski> hey guys
[15:38] <dgadomski> I've written to the desktop mailing list today about the nautlius mount options we discussed last week
[15:38] <dgadomski> I would appreciate any hints regarding this
[15:38] <seb128> dgadomski, you just sent the email today, let's wait a bit
[15:38] <dgadomski> sure
[15:38] <dgadomski> and that's pretty much it in the desktop are this week from me
[15:38] <seb128> but I expect the topic is complex enough that we are going to need upstream involvement
[15:38] <seb128> I don't see that being handled in a distro specific hack
[15:39] <ogra_> why would nautilus be involved at all ?
[15:39] <dgadomski> I agree, it would surely be useful for other distros as well
[15:39] <ogra_> isnt it just calling udisks2 ?
[15:39] <ogra_> (which doesnt allow any mount options unless you create custom udev rules)
[15:40] <seb128> ogra_, they want an UI to change the options
[15:40] <ogra_> right, that would mean hacking udisks2 first
[15:40] <seb128> ogra_, could be in nautilus properties for the drive
[15:40] <ogra_> to actually accept options
[15:40] <seb128> right
[15:40] <seb128> which is why I said it's not likely that we handle it on our side alone
[15:40] <ogra_> yeah
[15:40] <seb128> dgadomski, anything else?
[15:41] <dgadomski> I was expecting it to be pretty complex
[15:41] <dgadomski> seb128: no, that's it, thanks
[15:41] <seb128> dgadomski, k, let's see how the list discussion goes then
[15:41] <seb128> dgadomski, thanks
[15:41] <seb128> #topic mlankhorst
[15:41] <mlankhorst> - Adding cursor support to Xmir, works with mir_demo_server and lp:mir-team/mir/animated-cursors
[15:41] <seb128> mlankhorst asked to go next
[15:41] <mlankhorst> - Uploading mesa 10.5-rc2 and rc3 to archive
[15:41] <mlankhorst> - Remotely debugging root cause of https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90741
[15:41] <mlankhorst> - Getting Xmir in shape for the mwc demo with tons of last minute fixes!
[15:41] <seb128> mlankhorst, great work there!
[15:41] <mlankhorst> - Leaving for intel, last day is thursday 26th :)
[15:42] <mlankhorst> ty :)
[15:42] <seb128> mlankhorst, it was nice to have you in the team! Good luck at Intel, have fun there :-)
[15:42] <mlankhorst> thanks
[15:42] <mlankhorst> it was a blast :)
[15:42] <ogra_> teach them that mir is ood :)
[15:42] <didrocks> good luck with your new adventure mlankhorst :)
[15:42] <ogra_> *good ... sih
[15:43] <ogra_> *sigh even
[15:43] <seb128> ogra_, nice typo :-)
[15:43] <ogra_> haha
[15:43] <larsu> ogra_: I read it as 'odd'
[15:43] <ogra_> i need a new kbd :)
[15:43] <mlankhorst> will doo
[15:43] <Laney> oh bye!
[15:44] <mlankhorst> bb
[15:44] <Laney> that's both people who started at the same time as me ...
[15:44] <seb128> Laney, don't be next!
[15:44] <seb128> mlankhorst, thanks
[15:44] <seb128> #topic didrocks
[15:44] <seb128> didrocks, hey :-)
[15:45] <didrocks> oh, I was ready to complain about being forgotten :)
[15:45] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:45] <didrocks> - did some bug triaging and minor enhancements based on users' feedback
[15:45] <didrocks> Systemd:
[15:45] <didrocks> - patched and uploaded all ubuntu flavors plymouth themes to be compatible with progress report and cancellation of systemd-fsckd (gnome ubuntu, ubuntu MATE, kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntu studio). We have different kind of themes (no unified versions :/) btw…
[15:45] <didrocks> - patched 2 of the default plymouth themes (one script and one C plugin) and posted that to the upstream mailing list. Waiting on feedback
[15:45] <didrocks> - some debian discussions about… plymouth and fsckd!
[15:45] <didrocks> - worked on autopkgtests for fsckd as well, commited now. It brings some new best practices to have autopkgtests tests with multiple reboots inside the tests themselves (and still using unittests python frameworks. Ensure that even if we kill fsck or any systemd/plymouth process, we can still boot successfully.
[15:45] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:45] <didrocks> - sponsoring and archive admin duties
[15:45] <didrocks> .
[15:47] <seb128> didrocks, sorry, mlankhorst asked if he could go next
[15:47] <didrocks> no worry ;)
[15:47] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[15:47] <didrocks> yw
[15:47] <seb128> #topic Laney
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, hey
[15:48] <Laney> LEAVE FOR INTEL HAHAHA
[15:48] <Laney> erm
[15:48] <Laney> • Release: wrangle beta 1 (block, unblocks, freeze, ISO wrangling, some sponsoring), some FFe reviews, get pinged by IS about low space on the image building machine - clear some stuff out
[15:48] <Laney> • Patch pilot
[15:48] <Laney> • DMB: finish election, try to poke on outstanding issues, some packageset poking
[15:48] <Laney> • Some gst components got 1.4.5, update those
[15:48] <Laney> • Integrate the wrapper into gnome-terminal packaging, upload to desktop PPA, plz to test
[15:48] <Laney> • Review & then cherry-pick a fix from Kylin guys to file-roller
[15:48] <Laney> • Find out that gdk-pixbuf broke introspection ABI, revert commit, try to look at adding an (alias) annotation to g-i, get stuck & park that for now
[15:48] <Laney> • Revert python2.7 commit which broke python-gobject-2 (old static bindings)
[15:48] <Laney> • Updates: librsvg, glib2.0 (in progress)
[15:48] <Laney> • Attempt some debugging of systemd not powering off machine issue, not much progress (LP: #1427672)
[15:48] <Laney> ♒
[15:48] <larsu> Laney: thanks for the terminal wrapper!
[15:48] <desrt> Laney: does that mean we actually have two gnome-terminal wrappers now? :)
[15:49] <larsu> what's the other one?`
[15:49] <Laney> haha
[15:49] <Laney> I noticed some gnome-terminal.wrap thing
[15:49] <desrt> the one for matching the commandline args of x-terminal-emulator
[15:49] <didrocks> Laney: on the not powering down, you don't have squid install on your machine by any chance?
[15:49]  * larsu is amazed
[15:49] <seb128> didrocks, I don't and I have the issue still
[15:49] <Laney> it's like pass the parcel
[15:49] <Laney> didrocks: doubt it
[15:49] <desrt> Laney: fwiw, there is some request upstream to prefer x-terminal-emulator before gnome-terminal on debian systems....
[15:49] <didrocks> for me, that really "fixed" it
[15:50] <desrt> Laney: i said that if debian wants to do that patch then they should do it, but we won't change the behaviour upstream (since it's very distro-specific)
[15:50] <Laney> prefer where?
[15:50] <seb128> didrocks, was that an issue in the squid unit?
[15:50] <desrt> Laney: when launching desktop files that have RunInTerminal=true (or whatever it is)
[15:50] <desrt> from GIO
[15:50] <Laney> oh right, yeah, whatever
[15:50] <Laney> might want to do that I guess
[15:50] <didrocks> seb128: the init script, yeah, I need to now debug and fix it, but there are more urgent things
[15:50] <desrt> that's sort of my attitude about it as well :)
[15:50] <seb128> didrocks, k, maybe other scripts have similar bugs...
[15:50] <desrt> debian alternatives are a bit crap imho
[15:51] <larsu> desrt: gio hard-codes gnome-terminal?
[15:51] <Laney> how does this thing work now?
[15:51] <desrt> it has a list of terminals that it tries in order
[15:51] <didrocks> seb128: can be… will keep you posted
[15:51] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[15:51] <larsu> desrt: madness..
[15:51] <desrt> https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/gio/gdesktopappinfo.c#n2473
[15:51] <Laney> it's annoying having to remember to shut the computer down in a special way every day :-)
[15:52] <desrt> the request was to put x-terminal-emulator at the top of this list, as it naturally represents the user's preferred choice
[15:52] <desrt> ignore that this is only true if user == admin, on a one-user system...
[15:52] <larsu> desrt: don't we have some xdg-XXX thing for that?
[15:52] <desrt> nope
[15:52] <larsu> maybe we ought to
[15:52] <desrt> it's been the topic of speculation that we could make some weird terminal URI scheme
[15:52] <desrt> and then shoehorn that into our weird URI scheme pseduo-mimetypes
[15:52] <seb128> larsu, desrt, Laney, that discussion seems like something you can continue after the meeting if you want
[15:53] <desrt> seb128: indeed
[15:53] <larsu> indeed
[15:53] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:53] <seb128> #topic larsu
[15:53] <seb128> larsu, your turn then :-)
[15:53] <larsu> hey
[15:53] <larsu> lots of discussion about headerbars, traditional menubars, etc
[15:53] <larsu> looked at some patches for gnome apps
[15:53] <larsu> (didn't like what I saw in general)
[15:54] <desrt> larsu: you should probably just skip that topic update.  we already know it happens every week ;)
[15:54] <Laney> "Headerbars."
[15:54] <larsu> right
[15:54] <larsu> so... bluetooth!
[15:54] <desrt> fresh blood...
[15:54] <larsu> turns out we don't like the new ui and changing it subtly doesn't really work (needs more design thinking)
[15:55] <larsu> so I imported a gnome-bluetooth version that does what we want into u-c-c
[15:55] <larsu> uploaded the branch today
[15:55] <larsu> it's hacky, I hate it, but it works
[15:55] <larsu> (did I mention I hate it?)
[15:55] <didrocks> "but it works" :)
[15:55] <desrt> larsu: thanks for working on bluetooth :)
[15:55] <larsu> indeed
[15:55] <larsu> desrt: meh
[15:55] <desrt> bluetooth is freaking awesome
[15:55] <seb128> it works which is the important bit :-)
[15:55] <larsu> desrt: would rather take some time doing it right
[15:55] <larsu> seb128: indeed :)
[15:55] <desrt> more people would use it if we gave our UIs for it a bit more love...
[15:56] <larsu> lastly, I ported gnome-terminal to use GMenuModel for its menubar
[15:56] <didrocks> as desrt is a bluetooth freak, would be nice to have you testing some config with our ppa if possible :)
[15:56] <larsu> which means (a) it doesn't need unity-gtk-module anymore
[15:56] <didrocks> I guess you are the one here using bluetooth a lot compared to us
[15:56] <larsu> (b) we can get rid of that pesky "show menubar" option
[15:56] <desrt> i mostly just use it for going online with my phone
[15:57] <desrt> larsu: gnome-terminal has a menubar? ;)
[15:57] <larsu> it's not going to land in 3.16 (too big of a patch)
[15:57] <larsu> desrt: :P
[15:57] <desrt> larsu: is chpe playing nice?
[15:57] <larsu> we should think about backporting it
[15:57] <larsu> desrt: no.
[15:57] <larsu> no surprise there
[15:57] <desrt> too bad...
[15:57] <larsu> ya...
[15:58] <larsu> anyway, like I said, we could backport. Not sure if it is worth it
[15:58] <seb128> larsu, didrocks, let me know when the new u-c-c is in a ppa for testing, I can try it
[15:58] <larsu> sure
[15:59] <seb128> thanks
[15:59] <larsu> I also started hacking on headerbars
[15:59] <larsu> (again)
[15:59] <larsu> making the buttons look like our window controls
[15:59] <seb128> ah, nice
[15:59] <larsu> making good progress - just a few details to iron out
[15:59] <seb128> great
[15:59] <desrt> are we talking theme refresh?  we should be talking theme refresh....
[15:59] <larsu> I'm drawing the backgrounds with gtk css
[15:59] <Laney> theme refresh is on the cards for 15.10
[16:00] <larsu> which means they're very slightly different looking
[16:00] <Laney> last I heard
[16:00] <larsu> but I think that's ok
[16:00] <desrt> Laney: good...
[16:00] <larsu> and: we don't need to copy all of those pngs to yet another place
[16:00] <desrt> larsu: might want to get hooked into whoever is driving that
[16:00] <seb128> larsu, slightly different is ok I think, we are not going to have perfect consistancy anyway
[16:00] <larsu> seb128: I agree. And those are quite some .pngs (all buttons times all states)
[16:00] <seb128> right
[16:00] <desrt> in addition to getting sneak-peek at the new resources, maybe you could help drive the process in a way that makes consistency with headerbar apps a bit nicer
[16:00] <larsu> and we get nice transitions now, but I haven't added those yet
[16:01] <larsu> desrt: driving what?
[16:01] <desrt> the next-cycle theme refresh
[16:01] <desrt> ie: make sure they're aware of the constraints for headerbars and produce something that will be compatible with them
[16:01] <larsu> yeah that makes sense
[16:01] <larsu> I don't know who'll be doing that
[16:02] <larsu> anyway, </larsu>
[16:02] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[16:02] <seb128> #topic qengho
[16:02] <seb128> qengho, hey
[16:03] <seb128> no qengho?
[16:04] <seb128> k, next then
[16:04] <seb128> #topic Sweet5hark
[16:04] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> heya
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> - slow week
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> - got LibreOffice to build on arm64
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> -- needs MIRs though (at least for coinmp, possibly also for libetonyek), so not for vivid anymore
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> - working on getting LibreOffice to build on ppc64el
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> -- got pretty far, same: some patches, possibly some MIRs, thus shouldnt be slammed into vivid unless there an urgent need
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> - various upstream tidbits: some event orga, some budget foo etc.
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> - some bug tracker grind
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> - 4.4.1 in the PPA looks good, will finalize it for vivid-proposed this week
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[16:04] <qengho> I'm here!
[16:05] <seb128> Sweet5hark, slow but steady? ;-)
[16:05] <seb128> Sweet5hark, I guess you saw the email from doko?
[16:05] <Sweet5hark> qengho: shh, i stole your slot in the cookie queue ...;)
[16:05] <seb128> about builders use for arm64&co?
[16:05] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yesh
[16:05] <seb128> k
[16:05] <seb128> would be nice to reply
[16:05] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Do you have a sec/
[16:05] <flexiondotorg> ?
[16:05] <seb128> (or did you talk to him out of the email?
[16:05] <seb128> flexiondotorg, we are in a meeting
[16:06] <flexiondotorg> ack
[16:06] <Sweet5hark> seb128: it started out with "just one try" and then when down in a civilization game "just one more turn fashion" :/
[16:06] <seb128> hehe, I know the feeling :-)
[16:07] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[16:07] <seb128> let's go back to qengho then
[16:07] <Sweet5hark> seb128: anyway: using a porterbox now
[16:07] <seb128> Sweet5hark, great
[16:07] <seb128> #topic qengho
[16:07] <qengho> - looking into reason GPU-threads in chromium lag long enough that the internal heartbeat monitor thinks they're dead. Extended the time for now. Added apport info so we can collate bug reports better. (Also fixed an apport bug that has made Py3 never work for some..)
[16:07] <qengho> - releasing Cr 40.0.2214.115 tomorrow.
[16:07] <qengho> EOF
[16:07] <seb128> qengho, thanks
[16:07] <seb128> let's see what comes out of those changes, that bug is annoying for sure
[16:08] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[16:08] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[16:09] <seb128> no tkamppeter I guess
[16:09] <seb128> #topic happyaron
[16:09] <seb128> happyaron, not sure if you are around?
[16:10] <happyaron> yes
[16:10] <seb128> happyaron, your turn then :-)
[16:11] <happyaron> last week I worked on some arm64 cross compile stuff for NUDT project as well as the sogou project
[16:11] <happyaron> mostly about setting up cross toolchains, helping them producing related packages

[16:12] <happyaron> over, :)
[16:12] <seb128> happyaron, thanks
[16:13] <seb128> #topic FJKong
[16:13] <seb128> FJKong, hey, around?
[16:13] <tkamppeter> hi
[16:15] <seb128> no FJKong I guess?
[16:15] <seb128> back to tkamppeter then
[16:15] <seb128> #topic tkamppeter
[16:15] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[16:15] <FJKong> seb128: coming..
[16:15] <tkamppeter> Mainly bug work, releasec cups-filters 1.0.66 with a security fix.
[16:16] <tkamppeter> Got Google's result for GSoC participation, this year Google did not accept the Linux Foundation, after so many years where my application got accepted.
[16:16] <tkamppeter> Also some organizational work for the OpenPrinting Summit.
[16:16] <seb128> tkamppeter, :-( for the linux foundation GSoC
[16:17] <larsu> mozilla also didn't get accepted this year
[16:17] <larsu> I wonder if they changed some of the rules?
[16:18] <tkamppeter> Perhaps there are many more orgs applying than in the previous years?
[16:18] <seb128> do they want to encourage new/small projects maybe, rather than fund projects backed up by quite some funding?
[16:18] <larsu> might be
[16:18] <seb128> anyway
[16:18] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[16:18] <seb128> #topic FJKong
[16:18] <seb128> FJKong, ok, your turn :-)
[16:19] <FJKong> hey seb128 not much to update this time
[16:19] <tkamppeter> It is not a high loss for me, usually for OpenPrinting there come up only one or two students anyway, for LSB or kernel it is worse.
[16:20] <seb128> tkamppeter, k
[16:20] <seb128> FJKong, k, maybe next week then :-)
[16:20] <seb128> #topic seb128
[16:20] <seb128> then my turn
[16:20] <seb128> • looked at non translated gallery strings, was due to an outdated template, submitted update
[16:20] <seb128> • SRUed libpwquality translation fixes to trusty and utopic
[16:20] <seb128> • nautilus bugfix SRU to trusty
[16:20] <seb128> • spent quite some time to play with the ubuntu-touch dev experience (from installing the toolkit to write and publish an application), things are mostly working nicely, hit a few annoying issues on the way though (most due to specifics in my setup like ecryptfs use), reported some bugs against the documentation and tools
[16:20] <seb128> • reported some phone issues (gvariant warnings, store details issues, here map not showing info where it should, ...) and providing debug info
[16:20] <seb128> • ubuntus-system-setting
[16:20] <seb128> ∘ bluetooth, debugged car-pairing issue, figured out the problem and discussed a solution with cyphermox, tested/confirmed the fix
[16:20] <seb128> ∘ bluetooth, fixed a segfault issue
[16:20] <seb128> • usual share of desktop related bugs triages and discussions

[16:21] <Sweet5hark>  FWIW, LibreOffice won a GSOC spot again this year.
[16:22] <seb128> #topic other topics
[16:22] <seb128> do we have any other topic this week?
[16:22] <seb128> (or did I forget anyone?)
[16:24] <seb128> k, seems not
[16:24] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:24] <didrocks> thanks guys!
[16:24] <seb128> #endmeeting
[16:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar  3 16:24:41 2015 UTC.
[16:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-03-03-15.31.moin.txt
[18:30] <qengho> If anyone is using* my chromium stage PPA, I'd be happy if you upgraded and smoke-test chromium.
[18:30] <qengho> * $ apt-cache policy chromium-browser |grep /stage/
[18:57] <kenvandine> qengho, updating now :)


[03:21] <crackerjackz> how do i undo lubuntu encryption? i can't boot from any live cds or anything and the bios doesn't detect my hardware or anything... it wont let me do anything with my computer at all until enter the password but then it immediately boots into lubuntu
[03:39] <crackerjackz> what does lubuntu use for encryption?
[03:43] <Unit193> What encryption?  Sounds like your talking about a system/BIOS password.
[03:44] <crackerjackz> no i can get into my bios
[03:44] <crackerjackz> i encrypted my hard drive
[03:44] <crackerjackz> using lubuntu encryption
[03:44] <crackerjackz> it gave me the option to encrypt my entire hard disk
[03:46] <crackerjackz> brb
[05:34] <hpuser4466> What USB WiFi device works with lubuntu 12.04 Out of the box??  Plug n Play.
[05:34] <holstein> hpuser4466: i wouldnt personally trust that information.. chipsets can be switched without notice
[05:35] <hpuser4466> Is there a recent device that's known to work?
[05:36] <holstein> hpuser4466: sure.. but the chipset can change at *any* time.. so i, nor anyone else can guarantee you that except for the manufaturer
[05:36] <holstein> hpuser4466: its getting much easier to use hardware like that. i would just go get one and save the reciept
[05:36] <Unit193> In theory you can check on http://friendly.ubuntu.com
[05:37] <holstein> yup.. and if its wrong, you get a full refund :)
[05:37] <Unit193> Indeed, as long as you remember where you put the reciept. :P
[05:37] <hpuser4466> yeah, i just bought a wifi dongle based on the information I got from ubuntu wifi website, and guess what?  It didn't work out of the box.  Although I came with drivers which have to be compiled from source code.
[05:38] <holstein> i would just keep trying.. thats what i did looking for a firewire pciexpress card with a texas instruments chipset
[05:41] <hpuser4466> Ok.. I'm looking for a device that's easy to use for beginners so it has to be plug n play and "just work" with no compiliing or installing drivers.
[05:43] <holstein> hpuser4466: i would literally go to the store.. buy one.. try it.. return it.. try again.. if that process is to much hassle, take a live CD and ask them to open the device
[05:45] <hpuser4466> I prefer to buy online because it's much cheaper, so it won't be possible to test before buying and returns or refunds could be a problem.
[05:45] <hpuser4466> Surely, some device is known absoutely to work. Tried and tested.
[05:45] <hpuser4466> Just a wifi usb dongle.
[05:46] <holstein> i have literally waled into bestbuy and said "i will be returning this after i take it home and try it with linux, then i will buy it on amazon"
[05:46] <hpuser4466> So i can send to a linux noob and say "here you go, plug this into your pc and connect wifi" Done.
[05:46] <holstein> walked*
[05:47] <holstein> hpuser4466: what you are asking for is a question that is to be answered by the creator of the hardware
[05:50] <hpuser4466> Do lubuntu updates update the driver modules also?
[05:50] <hpuser4466> If so i might have a chance of getting my D-Link wifi to work again.
[05:51] <hpuser4466> Didn't work last time, but a lot has been updated since then.
[05:52] <hpuser4466> thanks anway. I'll do more testing
[05:59] <hpuser4466> I bought a usb WiFi with RT5370 chipset.   Is it possible to enable this device easily?
[05:59] <holstein> lol
[05:59] <holstein> hpuser4466: potentially
[05:59] <hpuser4466> lsusb shows the device.
[06:00] <holstein> hpuser4466: http://askubuntu.com/questions/163598/how-do-i-install-wireless-drivers-for-ralink-rt5370-offline looks like what i would try
[06:01] <hpuser4466> Remember I said this is for a NOOB  I'm assuming has NO linux experience and NO internet connected (no wifi).
[06:01] <hpuser4466> I suppose i could compile the driver and package it in some kind of installer.
[06:02] <hpuser4466> As long as kernel updates don't mess  it up.
[06:02] <holstein> hpuser4466: pin it.. dont do upgrades..
[06:03] <holstein> you will need to compile the kernel modules for each new kernel AFAIK
[06:04] <Unit193> Does it use DKMS?  That'd make it much easier.
[06:05] <hpuser4466> i have the driver source.  I'll check
[06:07] <hpuser4466> looks like it uses driver rt2870.ko
[06:07] <hpuser4466> Says: supported kernels 2.4 and 2.6 series
[06:08] <hpuser4466> Tested in Redhat 7.3 or later
[06:09] <hpuser4466> Only 1 way to see if it works is to compile it.  What's the full build environment i should apt-get?
[06:11] <Unit193> !info build-essential
[06:12] <Unit193> It is for a different card, but may help if you want to setup dkms: http://carlivar.tumblr.com/post/10230485625/fixing-rt2870-usb-wireless-in-ubuntu-or-debian
[06:12] <hpuser4466> and kernel headers ?
[06:14] <Unit193> linux-headers-generic if you're using standard kernel.
[06:14] <hpuser4466> i have 3.2.0-41-generic
[06:17] <hpuser4466> Thanks for the dkms info. I'll keep that for later.  Firstly I'm compiling the native drivers.
[06:17] <hpuser4466> I also have a windows .exe installer but can't extract the .exe archive.
[06:18] <Unit193> (DKMS is just how you could handle kernel updates more easily.)
[06:18] <hpuser4466> thanks the dkms looks to be what i need
[06:19] <hpuser4466> I thought of another strategy though. To extract the windows drivers in XP and copy them across to linux for ndisgtk
[06:20] <hpuser4466> I discovered i need more than the .inf file. It must rely on a batch of files included with the inf.  I would need to copy the associated files also.
[06:21] <hpuser4466> OK.. I decided to use windows driver 1st.  Then compile linux source if ndisgtk fails.
[06:23] <hpuser4466> My theory is to repackage the windows drivers int a linux installer for ndisgtk.
[06:23] <Unit193> Right, anywho I'm out.
[06:23] <hpuser4466> thanks
[06:26] <hpuser4466> Another thing is that beginner noobs need user friendly installers.  Compiling from source isn't good enough.. Just thought i'd add that.
[06:26] <hpuser4466> It MUST be user freindly
[06:27] <hpuser4466> I sell Lubuntu PCs and require user friendly solutions.
[06:27] <holstein> hpuser4466: the manufactures are welcome and encouraged to make it as simple as possible
[06:27] <holstein> hpuser4466: sell them already configured
[06:27] <hpuser4466> I do.
[06:28] <holstein> already configure *is* user friendly
[06:28] <hpuser4466> But i sold a pc without wifi and i need a user friendly wifi dongle that works.
[06:28] <hpuser4466> Why do you think i'm hammering this topic?
[06:29] <hpuser4466> Some of us are in business with customers to support.
[06:30] <hpuser4466> now exuse me while I install the xp drivers..danke
[06:32] <hpuser4466> You soon discover all the faults and problems when selling linux pcs.
[06:33] <holstein> hpuser4466: i dont think its a problem or fault you are dealing with
[06:33] <hpuser4466> it's a massive problem if the customer can't get wifi
[06:33] <holstein> there are no drivers from the manufacturer that are "easy" to deal with apparently. thats not a fault
[06:33] <hpuser4466> all i want is a SIMPLE wifi dongle that's plug n play
[06:34] <holstein> hpuser4466: ask for one that supports the operating system yuo are using
[06:34] <hpuser4466> I DID.  I got 2 responses:
[06:34] <hpuser4466> I got a dongle with source code.
[06:34] <holstein> hpuser4466: otherwise, its a process of trial and error
[06:34] <hpuser4466> I got told "not sure sorry"
[06:34] <hpuser4466> Yes. Looks like it.
[06:35] <holstein> and, support is getting better accross the board, with newer hardware
[06:35] <holstein> hpuser4466: i usually do this.. i plug it in. if it works, i put it in a "good" pile.. if not, i put it in a "bad" pile
[06:35] <holstein> i check the bad pile occasionaly with different live CD's when im bored.. or i give them away to windows users
[06:36] <holstein> i dont waste time with old hardware much anymore though
[06:36] <hpuser4466> I refurbish laptops and sell them with Lubuntu.  That's why I need the solutions.
[06:37] <hpuser4466> Mostly older Pentium M and Core2Duos
[06:37] <holstein> hpuser4466: sell what you like.. but the support comes from the manufacturer ideally
[06:37] <holstein> hpuser4466: when you move up to newer hardware it gets easier
[06:37] <holstein> even the broadcom chips are open source firmware now
[06:38] <holstein> the kernel cant carry around all the old drivers for long though
[06:39] <hpuser4466>  Most internal WiFi chips work fine with Lubuntu,  but occasionally I get a problematic PC which needs USB WiFi.
[06:39] <holstein> hpuser4466: the fact that its internal or USB is irrelevant
[06:40] <hpuser4466> Well it's strange that internal seems to work most of the time
[06:40] <holstein> hpuser4466: its the chipset, and the driver suppport.. could be located anywhere. pci slot, usb whatever
[06:41] <hpuser4466> I could look at the kernel modles to see what wifi drivers are pre-installed and buy something compatible.
[06:41] <hpuser4466> kernel modules folder
[06:41] <holstein> sure. assuming the manufacturer will let you know what chipset it is
[06:41] <holstein> and, if it is indeed that chipset
[06:42] <hpuser4466> although not every driver is named the same as the chipset.
[06:42] <holstein> hpuser4466: enjoy!..
[06:42] <hpuser4466> thanks for putting up with my complaints :- )
[06:42] <holstein> well, it helps that they have nothing to do with lubuntu ;)
[06:43] <holstein> but, im sure you'll sort it all out.. cheers!
[06:59] <hpuser4466> < Used linux for years & compiled kernels and many apps.
[07:00] <hpuser4466> But my customers maybe noobs..that's why I need user friendly solutions..( ie no compiling )
[07:01] <hpuser4466> now where does windows store it's wif drivers..hmmm
[07:05] <hpuser4466> Does ndisgtk use dll files or only inf?
[07:11] <hpuser4466> ah.     .sys and .inf apparently
[07:17] <hpuser4466> Happy profit making :- )
[13:03] <bambam1> What kind of hardware is Lubuntu most suitable for and what's the definition of "old" hardware now-a-days?
[13:05] <Unit193> what do you have?
[13:05] <bambam1> My specs: (CPU: Intel Pentium 4 630 Prescott 3.0GHz, RAM: 3.5 GB DDR2 @ 533 MHz, GPU: Nvidia GT 610, SATA II HDD)
[13:06] <Unit193> That'd work fine.
[13:06] <Unit193> Was a bit slow when I had it on 500MHz, and 512M ram.
[13:06] <bambam1> Old laptop or something?
[13:07] <Unit193> Desktop, actually.
[13:10] <bambam1> Lubuntu looks amazing now-a-days
[13:10] <bambam1> Quite an improvement over the previous releases
[13:10] <bambam1> Such a clean UI
[13:11] <Unit193> Yep, pretty nice.
[13:25]  * pmatulis upgraded to 13.04 last night.  all good so far
[14:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Kicking back and relaxing... waiting for the Lubuntu "customers" to trickle in... :)
[15:52] <Marvin_> hi
[15:54] <Marvin_> why are only the 12.4 alternates linked in the download-area?
[16:27] <holstein> Marvin_: what are you looking for? a 13.04 alternate cd?
[16:28] <holstein> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.04/release/ lists them.. if they are not on the main site, i would think it could be due to the fact that if someone wants/needs the alternate, they would know how to find it
[16:57] <Marvin_> jea changing the url does work too
[20:54] <J29> I've run into a problem. I purchased a HP 2000 laptop (it came with Windows 8) and downloaded lubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso I tried to install Lubuntu 13.04 to dual boot, but grub will not install. Now when I changed the boot order to boot from the dvd, it was BIOS and not UEFI but Lubuntu tries to install grub-efi-amd64 and not grub-pc. What should I do since this is the only 64-bit download of Lubuntu?
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> J29: It probably had to do with the Windows 8 specification.
[20:56] <Unit193> !uefi | I'd assume this page has nothing for when it isn't UEFI and supposed to be?
[20:57] <Unit193> EFI is a requirement of 8, so not sure how that happened.
[22:39] <plotino> hi everybody
[22:40] <plotino> i have some difficulties to configure grub on my lubuntu
[22:40] <plotino> in particular, i would like to set a  default choice to my kernel generic
[22:40] <plotino> but when grub has been installed, it created some special menu and sub menu
[22:41] <plotino> hoe to change them?


[00:01] <LaserAllan> JanC: you still here?
[08:37] <frickler> jamespage: coreycb: neutron-8.1.2 fails to rebuild for me because it misses https://review.openstack.org/321791, and nova-13* seems to have an issue with paramiko, also getting nova-13.1.0 would be nice
[08:37] <frickler> jamespage: on a related note, do you know why ceph and keystone are still stuck in the xenial queue?
[09:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:13] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I saw you already answering mails this morning, would you have the time to make pacemaker available for the merge process via the importer?
[10:14] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I sent a mail to the list already earlier this morning if you want to reply for tracking
[10:15] <cpaelzer> not urgent thou, just one of the two next things on my list - so I thought it is worth a ping ahead of time
[10:16] <cpaelzer> and the list is to the horizon and back anyway :-)
[10:28] <rbasak> cpaelzer: OK, I started the import of pacemaker. It may take a while.
[10:45] <jamespage> cpaelzer, hey - revisiting the work I started on ovs 2.6 today - had some test failures first time round...
[10:52] <jamespage> frickler, poking on the ceph sru - not sure why that's blocking - we've had a standing mre exception with the sru team for the last 4 years, they normally go through pretty quick
[10:53] <jamespage> I'll let coreycb answer the other two - or ddellav might know as well
[10:57] <jamespage> cpaelzer, hmm suspect I'm going to need a dpdk 16.04 build
[10:58] <jamespage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19068274/
[11:02] <cpaelzer> jamespage: great to hear
[11:03] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I'm already on DPDK 16.07 and I see the matching OVS patches in the OVS entry queue
[11:03] <cpaelzer> jamespage: I doubt it, but let me know if I can help
[11:03] <jamespage> cpaelzer, I'll try with your 16.04 and 16.07 ppa's
[11:04]  * cpaelzer hands a virtual thank-you-beer to jamespage
[11:04] <jamespage> thank me when I have it done :-)
[11:04] <cpaelzer> you can collect those and turn them to real when we met next time
[11:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak: that is why I asked in advance - thanks for starting it
[11:24] <frickler> jamespage: coreycb: we would also very much like to get an update to keystonemiddleware-4.4.1 incorporating the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystonemiddleware/+bug/1533724, this crashed one of our deployments over the weekend
[11:32] <jamespage> tyhicks, hey - quick question - I'd like to try to put one of the remote console access stacks into main this cycle for openstack
[11:32] <jamespage> tyhicks, it will require some MIR's but I wanted to see if you had a preference  - there are some choices
[11:33] <jamespage> tyhicks, I think the choice is novnc or spice
[11:33] <jamespage> spice is already in main, but the html shim is not yet
[11:36] <valluttaja> anyone familiar with mod_wsgi?
[11:36] <jamespage> ish
[12:38] <coreycb> frickler, hi, we've got nova 13.1.0 in progress.  what was the issue with paramiko?
[12:40] <coreycb> frickler, ddellav is testing keystone in xenial-proposed, he may have an update
[12:45] <coreycb> frickler, we'll get keystonemiddleware 4.4.1 into the SRU queue soon
[13:14] <ddellav> coreycb frickler i had tested that awhile ago and it passed but im running them again now just to be safe. I'll keep you updated on the outcome.
[13:14] <coreycb> ddellav, alright let's try to get those bugs marked verification-done today
[13:16] <ddellav> coreycb lp:1592865?
[13:18] <coreycb> ddellav, yes
[13:25] <coreycb> frickler, btw neutron 8.1.2 builds ok for me without that patch
[13:45] <le_pig> hmm
[13:54] <frickler> coreycb: looks like I had cluttered my build node by doing some devstack runs, which pip-installed newer libraries that got used during the build tests and made them fail. I'm rerunning the build now on a fresh node
[13:56] <v1s> I running ubuntu 16.04 server I have a usb2eth adapter connected to wan and then I have the built in eth and wifi for local network. I am using hostapd / bridge-utils / dnsmasq. The wan is working fine but only one system connecting to the wifi is pingable and I see other sytems in the dhcp client list but cant reach any of them any ideas ? can post any conf to check
[14:03] <cpaelzer> v1s: so your wireless and your builtin net are connected to the same network ip/netmask range?
[14:15] <v1s> @cpaelzer: yes they are bridged using ip <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[14:19] <tyhicks> jamespage: hi - I'm not familiar enough with either project to have a preference
[14:19] <tyhicks> jamespage: considering that spice is already in main, that might be the route that results in the least amount of code going from universe to main
[14:20] <jamespage> tyhicks, that was my thinking as well
[14:20] <tyhicks> sarnold: once you start your day, can you chime on whether you have any preference here? ^
[14:23] <mdeslaur> tyhicks, jamespage: please make it spice, it's a better choice and supports(will support?) 3d acceleration
[14:23] <jamespage> sounds like we are all in agreement :-)
[14:25] <tyhicks> sounds good
[14:37] <frickler> coreycb: o.k., all builds did run fine now, sorry for the confusion.
[14:38] <frickler> can I download packages for stuff in the SRU queue somewhere or would I have to build them myself?
[14:38] <coreycb> frickler, ok good, no problem
[14:39] <coreycb> frickler, you could get them from here, for core packages at least: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/+git
[14:40] <coreycb> frickler, it would probably make more sense for us to just poke the sru team to get things moving a long
[14:42] <coreycb> ddellav, mind poking the sru team for a review of keystone 9.0.2?  that's still in the review queue.
[14:43] <frickler> coreycb: ddellav: also python-keystoneauth1-2.4.1 pls, assuming jamespage has already done enough poking for ceph ;)
[14:46] <coreycb> ddellav, frickler: I just asked infinity for a review of those in #ubuntu-devel
[18:49] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: for the mitaka keystonemiddleware point release I did it in an ubuntu/mitaka branch on alioth.  that seems to make more sense to do for a dependency that we share with debian, rather than just working from the archive without a repo.
[18:49] <coreycb> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/openstack/python-keystonemiddleware.git/?h=ubuntu/mitaka
[19:20] <coreycb> frickler, a few of the packages we discussed earlier are in the xenial review queue now: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[19:25] <codepython777>  If I set a variable in /etc/profile  - does it drop down to my bash shell always?
[19:27] <tarpman> codepython777: the "Invocation" section in the bash(1) man page talks about the conditions under which bash runs specific startup files
[19:37] <codepython777> tarpman: it worked it seems, thanks
[20:00] <coreycb> ddellav, jamespage: I see trove has b2 out for newton so I'm going to do that now and keep track of what's done in our spreadsheet
[20:00] <ddellav> coreycb ok sounds good
[20:32] <kwoot> Anybody awake for some br0 troubles?
[20:33] <kwoot> please?
[20:35] <Sling> maybe ask a real question instead
[20:41] <kwoot> Good idea! So, I switched disks on a system to upgrade the hardware. of course this also means 2 new mac addresses on a dual homed system. On it runs a small kvm host (webserver) that services several small sites). Thing is, everything seems to work, but networking from the kvm host does not. It should run over br1, and br1 is bridged_ports to eth4 (system renames them from eth0 and eth1 to eth3 and eth4).
[20:42] <kwoot> I have no clue why it is failing at this time.
[20:43] <kwoot> The internal network kan connect through the dual homed system as usual, the system can ping to everybody (including the kvm host), but the kvm host can not ping to anybody. Local time is almost 23:00 so I could be missing the obvious here.
[20:45] <kwoot> correction: kvm host can ping himself and the ip of the br1 interface, but not the gateway/modem
[20:54] <kwoot> reboot. no joy
[21:14] <coreycb> jamespage, ddellav: CI should be mostly blue after the next round of builds go through.  I didn't update nova-lxd, the snapshot tar is 13.0.0, but 13.0.0 was already released so I wasn't sure what was up with that.


[02:45] <em> Hi. I would like a clear explanation for why I am banned in #ubuntu-au-chat and how long I have been banned there.
[02:47] <bazhang>  /msg access #channel list and ask the ops
[02:47] <bazhang> the ones with +o
[02:47] <em> msg chanserv I think.
[02:47] <Unit193> You can check how long by  /mode #ubuntu-au-chat +b
[02:48] <bazhang> yeah, I missed cs
[02:49] <em> Unit193: they all say 1478954 secs ago
[02:51] <Resistance> yeah, that's the default on channels in which your client wasnt lurking forever
[02:51] <Resistance> the IRCd sets that unless your client has newer info
[02:51] <Resistance> you'd have to talk to their ops team, then.
[02:51] <Resistance> and they're on the chanserv access list
[02:51] <Resistance> /msg chanserv access #channel list
[02:52] <em> im trying to find one who is online
[02:53] <Resistance> you might just have to wait or something...
[02:54] <Resistance> and FYI: privmsgs, while i do accept them, don't immediately get looked at, since i'm active in 6 other channels right now :P
[02:54] <Resistance> best to just mention me here :P
[02:54] <em> Resistance: yes may as well since Ive been banned there for at least 6 months
[02:54] <Resistance> (I see channel pings a bit sooner than i do privmsgs)
[02:55] <em> For no reason.
[05:12] <AlanBell> em: probably because your connection was a bit broken 6 months ago
[17:19] <sary> salutation.
[17:20] <sary> I would like to request an Ubuntumember cloak.
[17:27] <k1l_> sary: can you link your launchpad profile?
[17:28] <sary> https://launchpad.net/~sary
[17:29] <Resistance> you're not listed as an ubuntu member on there
[17:29] <Resistance> and that group would be visible
[17:30] <Resistance> sary:  ^
[17:31] <sary> Right , i will join.
[17:31] <Resistance> you're aware of *how* you get membership right?
[17:31] <Resistance> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[17:31] <Resistance> you have to be approved first, you can't just join the members group
[17:32] <pleia2> !membership
[17:32] <Resistance> ^ that
[17:33] <sary> No i was not aware of that.
[17:33] <sary> Thank you
[17:33] <Resistance> well the page we linked will explain membership
[17:33] <Resistance> yup
[17:43] <sary> Resistance: you mind a word in /query !
[18:19] <Sidewinder> sary, I'm not positive but I believe you can request a non-ubuntu related cloak. I think that you just need to ask a Freenode staffer for same.. HTH
[18:53] <sary> Sidewinder: correct , there is PDPC and unaffiliated cloaks.