[08:33] <philballew> Good ideas on making a dead laptop battery work again?
[08:33]  * philballew will also take bad ideas
[10:41] <geirha> buy a new one? :P
[10:44] <bioterror> put new cells :D
[10:44] <bioterror> :----D
[10:48] <philballew> bioterror, How hard you think that might be?
[10:49] <geirha> bioterror: why the long face?
[10:49] <geirha> :)
[10:52] <bioterror> http://www.electronics-lab.com/articles/Li_Ion_reconstruct/
[10:54] <bioterror> probably easier and cheaper to just buy a new battery from DX
[16:20] <Herakles> Hi , I am looking for some help regarding Networking in a heterogen Network (Windows 7)
[16:21] <Herakles> Ubuntu
[16:21] <Herakles> My Ubuntu-Menu doesn´t show´s anything else then Windows-network....
[16:22] <Herakles> if i double click Windows-Networks...
[16:22] <Herakles> nothing appears
[16:22] <Player> Herakles: you need to install samba and Windows 7 pcs need to be set up for sharing without a password
[16:22] <Herakles> wait a second...
[16:23] <Herakles> why do i need to install samba..., the live-cd recognized the Windows-Network....
[16:23] <Herakles> but the install doesn´t...
[16:23] <Herakles> how come... ?
[16:24] <Herakles> well....
[16:25] <Herakles> well, thank you Player....
[16:26] <Herakles> you are right..., samba was not installed...
[16:26] <Herakles> It seems i never learn anything....
[16:27] <Herakles> Well i was banned from Ubuntu- forum .... can anybody unbann me , please ?
[16:28] <Herakles> Ubuntu-channel
[16:28] <Herakles> not forum
[16:30] <Herakles> thank you..
[16:31] <Herakles> <<--- Ubuntu 7.1 on my machine...
[16:32] <Herakles> I am so stupid..., i can´t belive myself....
[16:32] <Herakles> samba was not installed...tzzz
[16:48] <Herakles> am i still online....it is so quiet here...
[16:50] <stlsaint> Herakles: why was you banned from forums?
[16:50] <Herakles> i wrote something like follows:
[16:50] <Herakles> 1700 bone heads...
[16:51] <Herakles> because i was angry...1700 users online and i was missing some spirit...
[16:52] <Herakles> I was banned from #ubuntu  irc-channel, not the forum...
[16:53] <Herakles> all they said was....UPGRADE....
[16:54] <stlsaint> Herakles: why are you using 7.10?
[16:54] <Herakles> but i don´t want to upgrade..., i want to learn a system before i start decide to upgrade...
[16:54] <Herakles> i never learn Linux, and i am tryin since years,,,,
[16:55] <Herakles> constant upgrades and incompatibilities...
[16:55] <Herakles> made me sick
[16:56] <stlsaint> Herakles: that doesnt make since. You are using unspupported and no longer properly documented so what do you think you will learn?
[16:56] <Herakles> are you just another teacher....in the name of christ ?
[16:57] <stlsaint> Herakles: what are you trying to learn?
[16:57] <Herakles> do i look like a donkey ?
[16:58] <stlsaint> Herakles: you are not answering the questions i am asking you. How can we help if you dont answer?
[16:59] <Herakles> never mind...
[16:59] <Herakles> peace,,,
[16:59] <Herakles> thank you for your precios efford..
[17:33] <chozen> I hope bioterror sees this
[17:33] <chozen> thanx so much dude!!!!
[17:33] <chozen> I'm recording vids & screencasts nw thanx to your advice
[17:38] <Herakles> hmm..., i installed samba, but the Menu "Places" - "Netwoks" - "Windows Network" still doesn´t shows any entries....
[17:40] <Herakles> it worked in the live session before....
[17:40] <Herakles> i configured ip4. manually, and disabled dhcp...
[17:40] <philballew> !samba
[17:40] <ubot2> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[17:41] <Herakles> in this installed escenario...
[17:41] <philballew> you set a static ip?
[17:41] <Herakles> yes...
[17:42] <Herakles> <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:42] <Herakles> windows gets <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:42] <philballew> ah, well id look at those
[17:43] <Herakles> both have sub-net-mask of <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:45] <Herakles> unfortunatley Windows 7 is installed on the other machine...
[17:45] <philballew> you should just run Ubuntu :)
[17:45] <Herakles> so you might lack experience...
[17:46] <philballew> but can you ssh into you your ubuntu machine>
[17:46] <philballew> ?
[17:46] <Herakles> i never used ssh in my live time yet...
[17:46] <Herakles> and i dont know how..
[17:47] <philballew> so I assume this machine is not headless and has a gui running?
[17:47] <Herakles> this is my Ubuntu 7.1 machine..., the other is my Windows 7 machine..
[17:48] <philballew> 7.1?
[17:48] <Herakles> it worked from live-cd before..., although i could not access the Windows machine, it was recognized...
[17:48] <philballew> your in your ubuntu machine now?
[17:48] <Herakles> yes
[17:49] <Herakles> both are online..
[17:49] <philballew> lsb_release -d
[17:49] <Herakles> since more then 10 minutes..
[17:49] <philballew> output of ^
[17:50] <Herakles> ?
[17:50] <philballew> whats the output of lsb_release -d in the terminal?
[17:50] <Herakles> --->Ubuntu 7.10
[17:50] <philballew> theres your problem
[17:51] <Herakles> psss...
[17:51] <Herakles> holy crappp
[17:51] <Herakles> lol...
[17:51] <philballew> Your running a version that has not been supported for years
[17:51] <philballew> !12.04
[17:51] <ubot2> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is the current release of Ubuntu.   You will not be offered support on a EOL release
[18:19] <Herakles> best before ?
[18:23] <prateekp> i am getting curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
[18:24] <prateekp> please suggest me how to remove this error
[18:28] <cortman> Can you ping the host you're trying to curl to prateekp ?
[18:29] <prateekp> no output is comming
[18:29] <prateekp> terminal is hanged kind of
[18:30] <prateekp> unknown host
[18:30] <prateekp> it says
[18:34] <prateekp> cortman : i am not able to ping it --- i says unknown host
[18:36] <cortman> Then you have the wrong address or are not connected to the internet prateekp
[18:36] <cortman> Can you get to it in a browser?
[18:38] <prateekp> yes
[18:40] <prateekp> i have done proxy settings for web browser but how to do that for terminal
[18:40] <bioterror> chozen, you're welcome
[18:40] <prateekp> i think that would solve the problem
[18:44] <cortman> Oh yes- you should set system-wide proxy prateekp
[18:44] <cortman> In the gnome-control-center
[18:46] <prateekp> where can i find gnome-control-center
[18:56] <cortman> you're using unity prat
[18:56] <cortman> whoops
[19:07] <helium> witam
[19:07] <Guest53005> witam
[19:07] <Guest53005> jest tu kto :) ?
[19:08] <Herakles> Hi, I can not find my Windows machine in Ubuntu..., what do i have to do...
[19:08] <Herakles> to connect to my Windows 7 machine... ?
[19:08] <Guest53005> Hi all
[19:08] <Guest53005> :D Sorry for PL
[19:08] <Herakles> <<--- I am using Ubuntu 7.1
[19:09] <Guest53005> Why so old ver?
[19:09] <Herakles> nooo
[19:09] <Herakles> so old...
[19:09] <Herakles> yes..
[19:09] <Herakles> because it looks better than you do...
[19:10] <Guest53005> If I'm right there weren't Windows 7 released when ubuntu 7.1 was.. so
[19:10] <Herakles> no.., just because i like it...
[19:10] <Herakles> Soo, wanna share oyu knowledge about Ubuntu ?
[19:10] <Guest53005> if you like look of it you can use ubuntu 12.04 w/ GNOME 2
[19:10] <Herakles> stop bothering , please...
[19:10] <Guest53005> ok
[19:10] <stlsaint> Guest53005: dont waste your key strokes. He is set on being stuck with a EOL release
[19:11] <Unit193> Herakles: It's end of life has passed, there will be no security or other updates and it's unsupported, if you really want to use it (though HIGHLY recommended that you don't), you'll have to figure it out yourself.
[19:11] <Herakles> iUnit, what is your age ?
[19:11] <stlsaint> Unit193: omg thank you
[19:11] <Guest53005> yeah, as they said
[19:11] <Herakles> we know...
[19:11] <Herakles> thanks...
[19:11] <Herakles> Unit193:
[19:12] <Herakles> dont meant to offend..
[19:12] <Guest53005> so now everybody can help me ^^
[19:12] <Guest53005> I've a problem with my ubuntu 12.04 tty
[19:12] <Herakles> downgrade then...
[19:13] <Herakles> lol....
[19:13] <Unit193> Herakles: This also isn't a social channel, if you wanted that you can try #ubuntu-offtopic or the network wide #defocus.
[19:13] <Herakles> :P
[19:13] <Unit193> Guest53005: What's up?
[19:13] <Herakles> kick me
[19:13] <Herakles> Unit193:
[19:13] <Guest53005> After some time(since booting ubuntu) my tty dissappear. When i switch to it w/ CTRL + ALT + F1 I've no video signall...
[19:13] <Herakles> thank you Unit193
[19:13] <Guest53005> It also happens when i often switch from tty to unity
[19:14] <stlsaint> Guest53005: have you tried using ctrl+alt+f7
[19:14] <stlsaint> oh, nevermind than
[19:14] <Guest53005> Yes i know what this stuff ctrl+alt+f1, 2 3 does and after some time tty consoles stop work
[19:14] <stlsaint> what do you mean no video? as in your desktop server (x11) does not work?
[19:14] <Unit193> You can check for info logs in /var/log/syslog and the command dmesg
[19:14] <mh0> Guest53005: I have had that issue before, but never really understood why
[19:15] <Guest53005> My Unity works well but when i switch to tty i get no signal..
[19:15] <Guest53005> maybe a bug?
[19:15] <stlsaint> Guest53005: meh, could be
[19:16] <Herakles> Unit193: are you trying to fool me ?
[19:16] <Herakles> I have a problem with my machine...
[19:16] <Guest53005> I can say too I was changing some options in grub(vga=795) to change tty video resolution. It was successful.
[19:16] <stlsaint> ah that may have sometihng to do with,
[19:16] <Unit193> !eol | Herakles, last warning.
[19:16] <ubot2> Herakles, last warning.: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[19:17]  * stlsaint has never changed tty settings
[19:17] <Herakles> warn your parents...
[19:17] <Herakles> ass
[19:17] <Herakles> hole...
[19:17] <stlsaint> HAMMER!
[19:17] <Guest53005> Before that I've had no signal in tty or a poor 800x600 res.
[19:17] <stlsaint> whew
[19:17] <cortman> Thanks
[19:18] <Guest53005> I can switch from unity to tty and everything works well, but after some switching or staying a longer time in unity tty works no longer :/
[19:20] <Unit193> Guest53005: What happens if you  sudo service lightdm restart  from tty?
[19:21] <Guest53005> I'll try now
[19:22] <helium_> lol
[19:22] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/946572 Doesn't quite sound the same.
[19:22] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 946572 in unity "unity in Precise freezes randomly, but pointer moves and can switch to tty" [Undecided,Expired]
[19:23] <stlsaint> helium_: sup
[19:23] <helium_> it restarted my Unity session as expected
[19:23] <helium_> do I have to do this in terminal when tty stops working?
[19:24] <Unit193> TTY stops, or you seemed to say Unity stopped working.
[19:24] <helium_> tty stops
[19:24] <helium_> I said
[19:25] <helium_> To make everything clearly understandable: When I boot ubuntu both tty and unity work fine. After some time(5-10 mins) when i try to switch to tty i get No video signal, unity is still working well.
[19:25] <cortman> helium_, you have multivt enabled in the boot options I assume?
[19:26] <helium_> idk
[19:26] <helium_> i'll check
[19:27] <helium_> if it has to be in grub settings, then no
[19:28] <helium_> tty just stopped working for me
[19:28] <helium_> ctrl + alt + f1 = no signal
[19:29] <helium_> maybe it's framebuffer problem ?
[19:32] <helium_> acpid problem?
[19:34] <helium_> hmm i just get message w/ available kernel update maybe it would help? what do you think?
[19:35] <cortman> I'm not real knowledgable on that to be honest helium_ - have you tried posting on the forums?
[19:36] <helium_> yes on the Polish Ubuntu forum about 2, 3 days ago, but still no answers
[19:36] <cortman> Have you tried ubuntuforums.org?
[19:36] <cortman> Your English is quite good enough. :)
[19:37] <helium_> ok I will try
[19:37] <helium_> I'm looking on my syslog now
[19:37] <helium_> hmm it looks interesting
[19:37] <cortman> The reason I suggest it is because you'll have *hundred thousand eyes looking at it there, rather than 68 here. Not to discourage you from using IRC.
[19:38] <helium_> ok :)
[19:39] <Unit193> If you type  dmesg  you'll get more info as well.
[19:39] <helium_> but there's no time information
[19:39] <helium_> how can i start AptDaemon?
[19:44] <helium_> There are no clues in syslog, except "AptDaemon quit" when tty stopped working
[19:47] <helium_> Can you tell me how to enable hibernation?
[19:56] <helium_> I've not solved my problem, but thanks everyone :)
[19:56] <helium_> I've posted it at Ubuntu Forums
[19:56] <helium_> good night to all
[19:56] <helium_> and I also want to greet you from user "bdfhjk" :)
[19:57] <captain-jack> so long helium_ - good luck. :)
[19:57] <helium_> thanks, bye :)


[01:09] <Alison_Chaiken> Greetings all.    I uploaded tarballs for a package I created to oneiric on launchpad.
[01:09] <Alison_Chaiken> They didn't build, so newb that I am, I deleted all the files that I created and started over.
[01:10] <Alison_Chaiken> Now when I try to upload a new version, I get the message "foo-1.0.debian.tar.gz already exists but uploaded version has different contents."
[01:11] <Alison_Chaiken> So I went to launchpad and deleted package foo from the PPA and tried again.
[01:11] <Alison_Chaiken> Unfortunately I get the same error message and am not sure what to do.
[01:12] <Alison_Chaiken> Maybe I can just manually bump the version number of my package and all will be well?
[01:13] <Alison_Chaiken> I guess that those tarballs, once created, should never be touched by the user?
[01:18] <micahg> Alison_Chaiken: you cannot upload the same revision twice, you'll want to bump the Debian revision of the package for subsequent uploads of the same original tarball
[01:19] <Alison_Chaiken> I can just find one of the debian/* files that has a counter in it and increment it?   Or just "touch" one of the package files to generate a new revision?
[01:19] <micahg> Alison_Chaiken: it comes from debian/changelog
[01:20] <Alison_Chaiken> Very good, then,    I will edit that file and bump the revision.    I take it that in fact, I should never delete those tarballs in the parent directory once they're created, as this kind of problem always results?
[01:22] <micahg> the "upstream" tarballs, should really be upstream releases if possible, so they're only generated once
[01:22] <micahg> if there is no upstream release, you probably want a native package (i.e. debian/source/format contains 3.0 (native))
[01:22] <Alison_Chaiken> Very good, micahg, I appreciate your help!
[01:23] <Alison_Chaiken> Yes, I think I have a native package format.    Should that format suppress this problem?
[01:24] <micahg> Alison_Chaiken: here's package versioning explained in the Debian policy manual: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
[01:24] <Alison_Chaiken> Thanks again, micahg, I'll go RTFM.
[02:58] <Resistance> is there a way to force the downgrade of a package?  i'm implementing (on one of my systems) a fork of a program that exists in another PPA I have, but the PPA that is currently implemented has a higher version number.  How can I tell the thing to use the older version of the package (sitting in another PPA, given that I removed the PPA with the higher version from apt sources)?
[07:30] <lifeless> Resistance: apt-get install foo=version
[07:31] <lifeless> Resistance: or use synaptic or aptitude
[14:11] <artfwo> cyphermox, are you around?
[14:11] <cyphermox> artfwo: yup
[14:12] <artfwo> cyphermox, i resubmitted the merge proposal with fix for bug 910736, but now this results in a huge diff of 114042 lines
[14:13] <cyphermox> yes
[14:13] <cyphermox> that's because all there is in ~modemmanager is a debian/ directory
[14:13] <cyphermox> but I'll just take the debdiff and apply that, it will be simpler
[14:13] <artfwo> ah, so that's ready for sponsoring now?
[14:20] <cyphermox> artfwo: let me check
[15:09] <artfwo> cyphermox, i have attached an old-style debdiff to the original bug report, that doesn't touch files outside of debian/ just in case
[15:10] <artfwo> previous debdiffs done with bzr diff -rbranch had patches applied, 'cause the patches were applied in the packaging branch too
[18:03] <jtaylor> tumbleweed, ScottK: can you to apply the patch in bug 910922 to debian via team upload? would save a delta
[18:08] <jtaylor> checked that patch, still works fine
[18:57] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: it's preferable to run changes like that past the package maintainer (although it doesn't look like he's maintaining that one very actively)
[19:02] <ScottK> jtaylor: When DPMT is just in uploaders, stuff like that should really be done by the maintainer.  I'd email him.
[19:16] <jtaylor> k
[19:17] <jtaylor> what happend here oO https://launchpadlibrarian.net/88930822/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-armel.libqxt_0.6.1-3ubuntu1.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:17] <jtaylor> it worked in precise
[19:46] <psusi> is there someone around who can update ubotu?  his raid factoid points to the lvm howto on tldp.org... the one on the ubuntu wiki may be more appropriate
[19:56] <Laney> we should put syncpackage on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New
[19:56] <Laney> and "read your changesfiles"
[19:57] <Laney> by "we" i mean "not me"
[19:57]  * Laney runs away really fast
[20:36] <broder> Laney: huh, i've never seen that wiki page before
[20:39]  * micahg has to remember to add a note about dch multi-maintainer mode (-m)
[21:07] <Laney> :-)
[21:08] <Laney> well done new devs
[21:09] <broder> is poppy the sftp upload interface, or something else?
[21:10] <broder> (i'm trying to figure out how the backports pocket *actually* works right now)
[21:14] <tumbleweed> IIRC it's the upload receiver (sftp or ftp)
[21:14] <broder> ok, good. so that would be the code path i want to be tracking down
[21:55] <Resistance> can someone reset the sftp on launchpad's ppa uploaders, its constantly throwing those errors saying Upload denied, when in fact it is actually uploading
[21:58] <micahg> Resistance: that's a known bug that I thought I've given you the number to
[21:58] <Resistance> i have the bug info
[21:58] <Resistance> but is there a way to stop it throwing the errors every upload?
[21:58] <Resistance> i know its intermittent, but meh
[22:02] <Laney> it's server side
[22:02] <Laney> so not much you, or we, can do about it unfortunately
[22:07] <Resistance> bleh
[22:07] <Resistance> *looks at the bug*
[22:08] <Resistance> looks like someone had some branch or something included on that bug... a related branch...
[22:08] <Resistance> i take it there's still no resolution at this time?
[22:13] <Laney> you'd be better off asking in #launchpad, but if there were news i would expect it to be on the bug
[22:14] <Resistance> yeah i'm subscribed to the bug
[22:14] <Resistance> :p
[22:14] <Resistance> someone just posted saying it also happens to them, although i dont think we need any more of those comments :P
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> it's also seriously annoying, because it makes it look like all of my automated uploads are failing
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> when they aren't ;)
[22:23] <Resistance> mhm


[00:47] <agmenor> Hello !
[00:47] <agmenor> May I ask a support question here about Firefox (on Ubuntu) ?
[00:48] <agmenor> I want to write a website and I am a beginner in web-development.
[00:48] <agmenor> I am searching for an editor for my .html files. Until now I have used Gedit.
[00:49] <agmenor> But I am wondering: is it possible for me to use Firefox to edit my HTML files directly ?
[00:50] <agmenor> The answer is probably yes, but I cannot find which Web Developer Tool it is, or whether I should install a dedicated add-on.
[00:51] <agmenor> Thank you for your answers. :-)


[09:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:33] <popey_> I just tried to install ubuntu 18.04.2 on a microserver and the installer crashed, where should I report this, and what log file should I include?
[11:38] <OerHeks> apport-cli Subiquity # i guess, popey_  https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/reporting-bugs.html
[11:38] <OerHeks> = server ubiquity
[11:39] <popey_> huh, you can ru apport-cli on the server iso?
[11:39] <popey_> ok, will try
[11:43] <popey_> nope, it's a snap so you can't apport-cli it
[11:44] <OerHeks> snap info <snap-name> you will see a contact field.
[11:44] <popey_> I know that much :)
[11:45] <popey_> (It doesnt)
[11:45] <popey_> I'll manually file it in launchpad
[11:45] <OerHeks> oh oke, then snapcraft.io might give a clue?
[11:49] <popey_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1839468
[11:50] <lotus|i5> maybe tomreyn has an idea ^
[11:51]  * popey_ switches to the traditional ISO
[12:15] <rbasak> popey_: did you flag that on the ISO tracker please? I forget how the connection works, but we need to make sure it is connected so the relevant QA people spot it.
[12:27] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: o/
[12:28] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: morning!
[12:28] <rbasak> For dbconfig-common, I'm preparing an Ubuntu upload identical to what is in Debian VCS.
[12:28] <rbasak> For cacti, where should I source the upload from?
[12:28] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: let me rebase the MR for you
[12:28] <rafaeldtinoco> (ubuntu ready)
[12:28] <rbasak> Thanks!
[12:30] <popey_> rbasak: no, because I'm using 18.04.2 not .3 the new one
[12:31] <rbasak> Oh.
[12:31] <rbasak> Sorry!
[12:31] <popey_> np :)
[12:31] <popey_> I went for the old installer, which worked
[12:31] <popey_> I suspect subiquity didn't like the existing partitions on the disks or something
[12:31] <rbasak> Thank you for the report!
[12:32] <rbasak> I assume Michael will see the bug.
[12:32] <rbasak> And send it up to curtin if needed
[12:33] <rbasak> Or perhaps I should add a curtin task.
[12:34]  * rbasak does so
[12:36] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: oh, one thought. cacti, by using the new dbconfig-common option, will need a versioned dependency presumably?
[12:36] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: hum.. true
[12:36] <rafaeldtinoco> i´ll set >=
[12:36] <rbasak> +1
[12:36] <rbasak> It will probably help with ordering as tests runs through excuses.
[12:37] <rbasak> Oh
[12:37] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: note I'm using 2.0.11ubuntu1 for dbconfig-common
[12:37] <rbasak> So >= 2.0.11ubuntu1 please
[12:37] <rafaeldtinoco> ah ok
[12:37] <rbasak> Or >= 2.0.11ubuntu1~ if you prefer
[12:37] <rbasak> (I don't care; backporting for this seems extremely unlikely)
[12:38] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: do we have to set -proposed in autopkgtests
[12:38] <rafaeldtinoco> when this occurs ?
[12:38] <rbasak> What do you mean?
[12:38] <rafaeldtinoco> for the migration
[12:38] <rafaeldtinoco> both are going to be in -proposed
[12:38] <rafaeldtinoco> and depend on each other
[12:38] <rbasak> FWIW >= 2.0.11ubuntu1~ would be more consistent so let's use that.
[12:38] <rbasak> We will probably need to mess with dep8 triggers I expect
[12:38] <rafaeldtinoco> (yep ~ is better)
[12:39] <rbasak> I'm not sure. We'll see :)
[12:39] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[12:45] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: should I prepare a debdiff for u ?
[12:45] <rafaeldtinoco> cacti is not imported yet
[12:45] <rafaeldtinoco> i can push a git in ~rafaeldtinoco
[12:45] <rafaeldtinoco> if its better
[12:45] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: yes please. Maybe put a final debdiff into our staging git repo?
[12:46] <rbasak> I don't really mind
[12:46] <rafaeldtinoco> ok
[12:56] <jamespage> cpaelzer: hello
[12:57] <jamespage> cpaelzer: I've been working on a snapshot of the ovs 2.12 branch in preparation for its release in the next few weeks.
[12:57] <jamespage> s390x issue worked through - however I'm having an odd issue with the DPDK build on arm64
[12:57] <jamespage> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/436381942/buildlog_ubuntu-eoan-arm64.openvswitch_2.12.0~git20190807.38a85a041-0ubuntu1~ubuntu19.10.1~ppa201908071540_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:58] <jamespage> any ideas? I suspect something dpdk ish but I've not dug deep yet
[12:59] <cpaelzer> yeah
[12:59] <cpaelzer> no clear idea
[12:59] <cpaelzer> let me read it for 2 min ...
[13:00] <cpaelzer> all sorts of rdma and mlx things fail on config
[13:00] <cpaelzer> maybe we build no mlx4/5 on arm?
[13:00] <cpaelzer> also suspicious: gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-mssse3'
[13:00] <cpaelzer> that should be x86 only right
[13:01] <cpaelzer> non arm64 work as expected?
[13:02] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: mlx4 and 5 is needed for arm64
[13:02] <rafaeldtinoco> i was doing work on top of that @ linaro
[13:02] <rafaeldtinoco> #)
[13:02] <rafaeldtinoco> lustrefs is being ported to arm64 (server part, client is good)
[13:02] <rafaeldtinoco> mellanox was doing some efforts on arm64 also
[13:03] <cpaelzer> we build the mlx[45] PMDs on arm64 (just checked)
[13:05] <rafaeldtinoco> -Integer field ip4.src is not compatible with string constant.
[13:05] <rafaeldtinoco> -String field inport is not compatible with integer constant.
[13:05] <rafaeldtinoco> -Syntax error at `=' expecting relational operator.
[13:05] <cpaelzer> jamespage: it seems as if none of the dpdk config is in place to get the includes and the linkage right
[13:05] <rafaeldtinoco> this reminds me the iproute issue we had with ss recently
[13:05] <cpaelzer> ther is a pkgconfig file provided and OVS was using it last time I checked
[13:05] <cpaelzer> that would be the route I'd start looking at it (is the pkgconf available and still used on arm64)
[13:06] <rafaeldtinoco> AH OK
[13:06] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: jamespage: python3 on arm64
[13:06] <rafaeldtinoco> jamespage: which machine are you using
[13:06] <rafaeldtinoco> to compile this ?
[13:06] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: see above that is a builder on LP
[13:06] <rafaeldtinoco> i had problems (illegal instructions on python3)
[13:06] <rafaeldtinoco> inside KVM guests
[13:06] <rafaeldtinoco> and outside (host) it would work
[13:07] <jamespage> that's from a launchpad builder
[13:07] <rafaeldtinoco> this is python3 misbehaving inside kvm
[13:07] <rafaeldtinoco> i´ve faced that multiple times
[13:07] <rafaeldtinoco> i recompiled python3 in the host and installed pkg inside the guest
[13:07] <rafaeldtinoco> i guess this is a toolchain and/or kvm instr issue
[13:08] <rafaeldtinoco> i discovered that using LXC arm{hf,64} on top of x86 using qemu-user-static
[13:08] <rafaeldtinoco> and then i faced the same issue using kvm guests on armv8
[13:08] <rafaeldtinoco> :\
[13:10] <cpaelzer> but I don't see anything that smells like it in jamespage log - do you?
[13:10] <thiras> hello. Fresh install ubuntu. When I try to `apt install redis-server` it hangs at the settings section. The service doesn't start install fails. There is no systemd service file after installation
[13:10] <thiras> any idea what that could be?
[13:10] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: yep, but do have that in mind
[13:10] <rafaeldtinoco> it stole some time of mine back then
[13:10] <cpaelzer> hehe
[13:10] <rafaeldtinoco> +/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/_dpdk/tests/testsuite.dir/at-groups/442/test-source: line 22: 31813 Illegal instruction     (core dumped) ovs-ofctl --strict parse-oxm OpenFlow12 < oxm.txt
[13:11] <rafaeldtinoco> this is the first error
[13:11] <rafaeldtinoco> is this test using python somehow ?
[13:11] <cpaelzer> oh
[13:11] <cpaelzer> haven't seen that one in the log
[13:11] <cpaelzer> good eyes (and searches)
[13:11] <cpaelzer> but I think that still continued, I have seen the fails at configure time
[13:11] <cpaelzer> maybe that all passed and I should have looked further ...
[13:11] <rafaeldtinoco> its a bunch of illegal instructions
[13:12] <rafaeldtinoco> and a bunch of them come from python based tests
[13:12] <rafaeldtinoco> thats why i brought that to attention
[13:12] <jamespage> it only appears to happen in the dpdk build, not the vanilla one
[13:12] <rafaeldtinoco> 1344: real - C                                        FAILED (ovsdb-types.at:5)
[13:12] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: ^
[13:12] <rafaeldtinoco> first real error to fail
[13:12] <rafaeldtinoco> anyway, have fun
[13:13] <rafaeldtinoco> just trying to help #)
[13:13] <jamespage> confirmed - the vanilla build tests all passed fine
[13:14] <cpaelzer> rafaeldtinoco: agreed there are plenty of illegal instruction dumps
[13:14] <rafaeldtinoco> hum
[13:14] <rafaeldtinoco> looks like the issue i faced :\
[13:14] <rafaeldtinoco> i had some illegal instructions inside kvm/qemu
[13:15] <rafaeldtinoco> specially with python3 (i guess they were type related ?)
[13:15] <cpaelzer> and after the test fail it dumps the full config.log which contians all the errors that derailed me
[13:17] <jamespage> cpaelzer: yes its not pretty and a bit distracting!
[13:17] <rafaeldtinoco> unfortunately if its virtualization related
[13:17] <rafaeldtinoco> and this is kvm (and not tcg)
[13:17] <rafaeldtinoco> it would be a microcode issue :o)
[13:17] <rafaeldtinoco> like failing to implement aarch32/64 in virtual mode
[13:17] <rafaeldtinoco> i suspected that back then
[13:18] <rafaeldtinoco> not sure watch launchpad has
[13:18] <cpaelzer> the failing programs seem to be binaries thou - I've seen ovs-vsctl and such
[13:18] <rafaeldtinoco> and if its qemu or kvm accelerated
[13:18] <cpaelzer> unless it is the wrapping test script, that could very well be python
[13:18] <rafaeldtinoco> if its python (hopefully it is)
[13:18] <rafaeldtinoco> i re-generated the same package
[13:18] <rafaeldtinoco> in a diff HW/setup
[13:18] <rafaeldtinoco> and i was able to make it work BUT
[13:18] <rafaeldtinoco> my python would fail the installation post-inst
[13:18] <rafaeldtinoco> super fast
[13:19] <rafaeldtinoco> ^ could also be related to toolchain
[13:19] <jamespage> all under git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch
[13:19] <jamespage> master branch
[13:19] <jamespage> (git-buildpackage repo)
[13:19] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: i can get you access to armv8 here
[13:19] <rafaeldtinoco> if you need
[13:19] <rafaeldtinoco> armhf and arm64 kvm guests
[13:19] <rafaeldtinoco> let me know
[13:20] <cpaelzer> oh I have an idea rafaeldtinoco and jamespage
[13:20] <cpaelzer> I have discussed and battled and lost upstream, but this might be one consequence
[13:20] <cpaelzer> trying a TL;DR
[13:21] <cpaelzer> dpdk really likes processor optimizations
[13:21] <cpaelzer> distributions really like their software to work everywhere
[13:21] <cpaelzer> the DPDK build system makes their -march sometimes bleed into e.g. the pkgconfig they export
[13:21] <rafaeldtinoco> hum
[13:21] <cpaelzer> it is possible that we generate code that is too new for the virt env that we have
[13:21] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[13:21] <cpaelzer> -march=armv8-a+crc+crypto
[13:22] <rafaeldtinoco> if the instruction is bad virtualized
[13:22] <rafaeldtinoco> or not even implemented in aarch32/64 virt microcode
[13:22] <rafaeldtinoco> (since armv8 does not require aarch32 for kvm, for example)
[13:22] <rafaeldtinoco> its an ¨extension¨ to the microcode
[13:22] <rafaeldtinoco> so, yes, makes sense
[13:22] <cpaelzer> jamespage: if you could override that march lowering it until you hit it working
[13:22] <cpaelzer> then let me know what arch was the hightest that worked
[13:22] <cpaelzer> then I could patch DPDK to use this lower level
[13:22] <rafaeldtinoco> +1
[13:22] <cpaelzer> I have a call with the co-maintainer in a few minutes, I'll pre-discuss that
[13:23] <cpaelzer> for now just assuming that this is the reason
[13:23] <cpaelzer> but I'd need your checking if possible to know what would work (maybe we jsut check an old build)
[13:24] <cpaelzer> hmm
[13:24] <cpaelzer> no the old 2.11 build had -march=armv8-a+crc+crypto as well
[13:24] <cpaelzer> that is the same is it?
[13:25] <cpaelzer> unless newer GCC makes the same march use newer thigs failing in VMs
[13:25] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[13:25] <rafaeldtinoco> depending on which toolchain you´re using
[13:25] <cpaelzer> jamespage: how about building the same in Disco for a try?
[13:25] <jamespage> I can try that
[13:41] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: fighting with a patch and its ¨fuzz¨iness
[13:41] <rafaeldtinoco> will get you the diff soon :)
[13:41] <rafaeldtinoco> quilt refresh won´t fix the fuzz :\
[13:41] <rafaeldtinoco> will re-do it
[14:19] <jamespage> cpaelzer, rafaeldtinoco no cigar
[14:19] <jamespage> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/3534/+build/17389545
[14:20] <rafaeldtinoco> cpaelzer: ^ if you want armv8 kvm guests let me know =)
[14:21] <rafaeldtinoco> or i can check this later if you´d like
[14:30] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: I think your issue is because in commit 9e2dc74 you modified docs-source/General-Installing-Instructions.md directly instead of via a quilt patch
[14:30] <rbasak> The component tarball is a red herring - the same issue would have happened without a component tarball being used I think.
[14:30] <rbasak> You can use "dpkg-source --commit" to have it create the quilt patch for you
[14:31] <rbasak> And then adjust the quilt patch, commit that, and drop your commit that changed the file directly
[14:31] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: quilt generates fuzz
[14:31] <rafaeldtinoco> even with dpkg-source --commit
[14:31] <rafaeldtinoco> it does not accept.. this merge was the last attempt
[14:32] <rbasak> It didn't for me
[14:32] <rafaeldtinoco> try debuild -S after quilt
[14:32] <rafaeldtinoco> no issue ?
[14:32] <rbasak> I use dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -S -nc -d -I -sd -I
[14:32] <rafaeldtinoco> :O
[14:32] <rbasak> To avoid the lintian run and the need to install build dependencies
[14:32] <rafaeldtinoco> oh
[14:32] <rafaeldtinoco> alright then =)
[14:32] <rafaeldtinoco> let me re-push using quilt
[14:33] <rbasak> But debuild just calls dpkg-buildpackage in the end
[14:33] <rafaeldtinoco> yep
[14:33] <rbasak> So I don't think it should be any different
[14:33] <rafaeldtinoco> perfect! tks for checking it!
[15:15] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: https://code.launchpad.net/~rafaeldtinoco/+git/cacti is updated
[15:25] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: looks good from a quick glance - not reviewed in detail yet.
[15:26] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: but (Closes #XXXX) in debian/changelog needs to be (Closes: #XXX) to be picked up in the changes file, or was that intentional?
[15:43] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: ~ Depends: dbconfig-common (>= 2.0.12~),
[15:43] <rafaeldtinoco> im setting it for debian at least
[15:43] <rafaeldtinoco> so next merge its there for us
[15:45] <DammitJim> what does extended security maintenance mean?
 I just read that Ubuntu 18.04LTS will be supported for like 10 years, but only with regards to extended security maintenance
[15:46] <rafaeldtinoco> DammitJim: packages will be only updated in regards to CVEs
[15:46] <rafaeldtinoco> and not bug fixes directly
[15:46] <DammitJim> ah ok, so only security patchess
[15:46] <DammitJim> driven by CVEs
[15:47] <DammitJim> forget about bug fixes
[15:48] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, I think SRUs are not considered, so -security gets the updates
[15:54] <DammitJim> do I have to have a special support license to be supported?
[15:56] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco: +1
[15:56] <rbasak> DammitJim: yes - ESM is a Canonical product
[17:12] <sam_newbie> Hi guys, have a question regarding install ubuntu from pxe server. host/client is on same machine, same network, i'm trying to create multiple os choice pxe server, so far other CentOS working fine from client. ubuntu client getting ip from dhcp server, the installation screen comes up but with error... https://pasteboard.co/IrLJnUD.png
[17:13] <sam_newbie> selinux*firewall disabled on pxe server
[17:17] <sam_newbie> this is my preseed https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k9wjFGKWVW/
[19:00] <rbasak> ahasenack, rafaeldtinoco: looks like cacti and dbconfig-common are good (on their own) in proposed
[19:00] <rbasak> Pending dbconfig-common armhf but I'm assuming that'll be fine.
[19:00] <rafaeldtinoco> yep, i was checking that now
[19:00] <ahasenack> shipit!
[19:00] <rafaeldtinoco> its impressive the amount of tests
[19:00] <rbasak> So I have triggered what I think are the correct retests for mysql-8.0
[19:00] <rbasak> mysql-8.0 with the new dbconfig-common that we uploaded for all archs
[19:00] <rbasak> And mysql-8.0 with the new dbconfig-common with the new cacti that we uploaded for all archs
[19:01] <rafaeldtinoco> alright
[19:01] <rafaeldtinoco> so failures would be *new* if they happen
[19:01] <rafaeldtinoco> hopefully there wont be any
[19:01] <rbasak> Hopefully they'll all go green then when done
[19:01] <rafaeldtinoco> cool, before eod i´ll check one more time
[19:01] <rafaeldtinoco> just to make sure there is nothing we could save time
[19:01] <rbasak> Nothing will migrate yet though - we need to do the mass rebuild uploads and the FTBFS fixes we have prepared
[19:01] <rbasak> And I know we have some remaining.
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> k
[19:02] <rbasak> Hopefully we'll be able to start churning them out tomorrow.
[19:02] <rafaeldtinoco> sounds good


[09:17] <rmg51> Morning
[12:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else


[01:08] <Panamaquono> xubuntu support channel?
[01:09] <Panamaquono> I have a sound card issue
[01:10] <Panamaquono> I have an Ensoniq ES1371 audio controller, I went through the wonderful online alsa stuff to get it setup - it worked great, I can listen through my headphones
[01:11] <Panamaquono> but, I have a set of Speakers that works with a digital plug
[01:12] <Panamaquono> I found another forum for the speakers for a guy running windows and there's some way to go into windows settings to output a digital signal
[01:12] <Panamaquono> obviously there's some way to do that in xubuntu?
[01:13] <Panamaquono> his exact words:  "Click on Advanced. Once here, you will notice Tone Controls to adjust the Bass and Treble, and below these, you will see "Digital Output Only." Click on the little white box next to "Digital Output Only" to put a check mark in there. Hit close. Make sure that your Main and Wave audio levels in the volume settings are high enough to hear something (I suggest at least half volume, or highest volume for testing pu
[01:13] <Panamaquono> but that's windoz
[01:15] <Panamaquono> what'd I miss
[01:15] <Panamaquono> I know it's a hard one
[01:15] <Panamaquono> the alsa mixer didn't seem to have this setting
[01:16] <Panamaquono> sound card works great
[01:16] <Panamaquono> am I the only one here?
[01:17] <crimsun_> yes.
[01:17] <crimsun_> and unless those controls are exposed in the driver, you can't use them.
[01:18] <Panamaquono> sorry to pull you away
[01:19] <Panamaquono> if they're exposed?  as in?
[01:19] <Panamaquono> don't know exposed
[01:19] <Panamaquono> like a part of the gui?
[01:19] <Panamaquono> is the driver supposed to have some sort of user interface
[01:20] <Panamaquono> or is that handled in terminal?
[01:21] <Panamaquono> just a hint
[01:21] <crimsun_> exposed->viewable from a mixer.
[01:21] <Panamaquono> c'mon
[01:21] <crimsun_> e.g., amixer, alsamixer, aumix, etc.
[01:21] <Panamaquono> ah
[01:21] <Panamaquono> so I should try a different mixer?
[01:21] <crimsun_> if amixer doesn't list them, you're out of luck.
[01:21] <Panamaquono> ok I only have alsamixer
[01:22] <crimsun_> I doubt that.
[01:22] <Panamaquono> crap, where's amixer
[01:22] <crimsun_> "amixer"
[01:26] <Panamaquono> ok I got a long list, but I'm not even sure what I'm looking at, it looks like I can do all kinds of stuff including record
[01:27] <Panamaquono> and one in particular seems out - PCM - is that it?
[01:45] <Doogal> *Fairly* large issue. My Desktop environment is completely blank. No panels, no icons, nothing. I can still run programs i know the name of, using the altF2 box. But it's a pretty major issue for enjoying my computer properly.
[01:47] <Panamaquono> you win
[01:48] <Doogal> I do?
[01:48] <Doogal> Is there a fluffy prize? :)
[01:56]  * Doogal reposts, just in case.
[01:56] <Doogal> *Fairly* large issue. My Desktop environment is completely blank. No panels, no icons, nothing. I can still run programs i know the name of, using the altF2 box. But it's a pretty major issue for enjoying my computer properly.
[01:57] <Doogal> Does anyone have some advice?
[01:57] <soldats> zoredache: i wanted to say thanks. i copmpletely forgot about the mini.iso install so i installed and im pretty much satisfied. just a few more apps and ill be set. thanks again  :D
[01:58] <soldats> Doogal: try doing alt-f2 and typing xfce4-panel
[01:59] <soldats> save your settings on logout and log back in and see if its normal. you need the desktoppp seetings box to tell it to do what youwant
[02:00] <soldats> set the "allow xfce to manage desktop" and make sure you save settings Doogal
[02:03] <Doogal> soldats: thanks.  Its persistent.
[02:03] <soldats> did you restart or did you run the commands i said then restart
[02:03] <Doogal> soldats: I'm afraid i'm very new to linux at all. How would I get to the 'desktop settings box'
[02:04] <Doogal> soldats: no, not entered those commands yet.
[02:05] <Doogal> I would normally get to desktop settings through a drop-down on the top panel, or a right-click on the desktop. How can i get them up otherwise?
[02:05] <Doogal> I'm happy to work in BaSH if that's easier, but I'd need a lot of guidance.
[02:05] <soldats> Doogal: first do alt+f2 and type "xfce4-panel" and you should get your panels back. then in your panel go to settings >> desktop settings and choose save setings on logout and choose "allow xfce to manage desktop"
[02:09] <Doogal> Wow. That was easy. At least the first part. I've got the desktop back but i didn't see a save settings option.
[02:12] <soldats> its either in desktop settings or desktop preferences
[02:12] <soldats> just look around in the settings drop down menu
[02:13] <brianko> so why does my new 7.10 install have a "washed out" look?  Every theme seems to have the same look...
[02:16] <soldats> the themes only change icons and borders and basic fonts. you can configure everything else however youwant. just have a look through google.
[02:17] <brianko> I seem to recall xfce of past having a decent look on the stock install...
[02:22] <Doogal> soldats: Thanks for the help by the way. "Save settings on logout" Seems to be something that appears on the shut-down menu.
[02:23] <Doogal> It survived a log-out and a log-in.
[02:24] <Panamaquono> hey I do have a digital out, how can I make it work?
[02:24] <Panamaquono> used the aplay -l
[02:24] <Panamaquono> got a list
[02:25] <Panamaquono> 0,1 is digital audio playback
[02:25] <Panamaquono> not the same guy
[02:25] <Panamaquono> nuts
[02:25] <Panamaquono> hello sir
[02:26] <Panamaquono> I come humbly before you
[02:26] <Panamaquono> please help, have sound card ES1371
[02:26] <Panamaquono> have digital speakers
[02:26] <Panamaquono> can't make digital output to speakers
[02:27] <Panamaquono> have new drivers
[02:27] <Panamaquono> soundcards works through headphones great
[02:27] <Panamaquono> not through digital speakers
[02:29] <Panamaquono> I found an article about my actual soundcard where if I had windows there's a output setting where I specify "Digital Output Only"
[02:29] <Panamaquono> I don;t have windows anymore, where did the setting go?
[02:30] <Panamaquono> did cat /proc/asound/devices
[02:31] <Panamaquono> 5: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback
[02:32] <Panamaquono> is there a better place to go for this?
[03:21] <refused9150> Hi im really new to this whole thing and i have ran into a big problem and was hoping someone could help
[03:22] <refused9150> anyone?
[03:24] <refused9150> ???
[04:58] <fredsua> good evening
[04:59] <fredsua> could anyone help me with a DVD playback problem?
[06:03] <sleepwalk> hey could ANYONE please tell me the best way to rebuild my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file???  My current video settings are correct, but when I reboot I loose the setup...I also noticed some minor errors in the xorg.conf file.  ANY ideas???
[06:03] <CarlFK> sleepwalk: post your .conf and .log to http://dpaste.com
[06:04] <CarlFK> and hope soemone is still around to help... I am off to bed any minute
[06:08] <sleepwalk> shoot jk
[06:08] <sleepwalk> *okay
[06:11] <sleepwalk> im doing it...hold up if you can. CarlFK
[06:11] <sleepwalk> http://pastebin.com/m7f70ba81
[06:12] <sleepwalk> which file is .log?
[06:12] <sleepwalk> You around CarlFK?
[06:12] <CarlFK> yeah
[06:13] <CarlFK> /var/log/X...something
[06:13] <sleepwalk> k
[06:14] <CarlFK> 	Driver		"nvidia" - there is an nvidia channel - might be good to try there
[06:14] <CarlFK> yeah /join #nvidia
[06:15] <sleepwalk> http://pastebin.com/m66431be3
[06:15] <sleepwalk> k
[06:15] <sleepwalk> thanks
[06:15] <sleepwalk> I believe that second link is the right file
[06:17] <CarlFK> yeah
[06:17] <CarlFK> oh... loose the setup.. and you get "falesafe" or something?
[06:17] <sleepwalk> Yea
[06:18] <sleepwalk> It's really screwy
[06:18] <sleepwalk> I have to boot into text mode or wahtever
[06:18] <sleepwalk> and run "envy" in text mode
[06:18] <sleepwalk> it uninstalls the drivers
[06:18] <CarlFK> yeah, I have run into falesafe. look around for xorg.conf.falesafe or something.  delete it
[06:20] <sleepwalk> then I have to reinstall, and reboot...then I have to log in and install "restricted drivers"(but I[am not sure if it helps)..then I have to log into screens and graphics and mess with the settings.  (My friend actually does this)  He is new to linux and is "exploring"...and making me fix many errors everyday.. it's fun though
[06:20] <sleepwalk> why should I delete x*.falesafe?
[06:21] <CarlFK> or rename it
[06:21] <CarlFK> i kinda remember that helping
[06:22] <CarlFK>  but I may be dreaming.   Thanks man!!!!! Peace out.
[06:22] <CarlFK> see ya
[06:52] <ace> updating python-apt, upgrade-manager,-core, get stuck for anybody else? on hardy. says subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 on all 3 packages
[06:53] <ace> other packages installed fine
[06:53] <ace> nm
[07:33] <Geoffrey3> is there a shortcut key to switch to the command line in Ubuntu?
[07:34] <ere4si> Geoffrey3, you can press ctrl-alt-F2 and then alt-F7 to get back
[07:41] <Geoffrey3> has anyone here had problems installing libexo from source?
[07:42] <Geoffrey3> there's about a half dozen header files configure insists aren't there, even though I know several of them are
[07:43] <Geoffrey3> including md5.h
[07:43] <ere4si> Geoffrey3, is the source a later version than the one in the repos?
[07:44] <Geoffrey3> ere4si: I believe so, 4.4.2.....
[07:45] <ere4si> I'm showing 0.3-0 in my synaptic... - is there a readme file that asks for a certain kernel?
[07:46] <Geoffrey3> oh, the exo library is version 0.3.4
[07:47] <ere4si> should say I'm using feisty
[07:49] <Geoffrey3> ah, xububtu gutsy here
[07:49] <AlgorithmicContr> ---Mark---
[07:49] <AlgorithmicContr> [07:49] <AlgorithmicContr> _Mark_
[08:25] <Carry> help, i used sudo-apt install xubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu-lamp, but now it's hanging... [42951174.840000]  [<c01033b5>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb
[08:25] <Carry> and some error's...
[08:44] <ere4si> Carry, the command should have been   sudo apt-get install
[08:45] <ere4si> can you reboot Carry ?
[08:53] <Carry> ere4si: reboot, now installing :)
[08:53] <ere4si> yah Carry
[08:53] <Carry> sudo apt-get update
[08:53] <Carry> sudo apt-get install
[08:53] <Carry> ?
[08:54] <ere4si> what's the issue Carry ?
[08:54] <Carry> ere4si: thank you..
[08:54] <ere4si> k
[10:30]  * AlgorithmicContr can't sleep.
[10:32]  * ere4si suggests warm milk
[10:36] <AlgorithmicContr> hm
[11:06] <LetsGo67> I cannot boot my hard drive by itself, I need to insert the Ubuntu CD, then go to "boot from first hard disk".  Is there a way to fix that?
[11:10] <ere4si> LetsGo67, let the live cd boot into the desktop - then open a terminal - type  sudo grub - then type   find /boot/grub/stage1 - and we'll go from there
[12:22] <LeAstrale> hi ppl
[12:32] <ich> does anyone know how to fix the md5 checksum flashplugin issue?
[12:32] <ich> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[12:41] <slow-motion> hi
[12:43] <gabkdlly> ich: hi, this seems to happen quite often, whenever Adobe makes an update to the player, but then it takes some time for this change to get updated in the package in the repositories. Either wait for the update, and use a free alternative in the meantime, or install manually using Adobe's instructions
[12:45] <ich> gabkdlly, okay, thanks for your feedback. i'll try adobes instructions soon
[15:26] <theTheme> Hey everyone, I have a question, I am running kubuntu now and I've been reading on the xubuntu site but I don't quite understand what make xubuntu different from other distributions
[15:27] <TheSheep> theTheme: different set of default settings and applications than ubuntu
[15:28] <theTheme> I see, if I switched over could I get kde apps (like kontact) to work? or would that defeat the point of switching
[15:29] <TheSheep> theTheme: you can even install it alongside your kde
[15:29] <theTheme> So when I boot in I'd choose which?
[15:29] <TheSheep> theTheme: but yes, it defeats some of the strong points of xubuntu
[15:30] <TheSheep> theTheme: yes, at login
[15:30] <theTheme> That's nifty, how would I set something like that up?
[15:30] <TheSheep> just install the xubuntu-desktop package
[15:30] <TheSheep> there are ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop too, btw
[15:34] <samiroquai> me wants Fatima (prophet Muhammad's daughter) so bad
[15:34] <samiroquai> me so horny
[15:34] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Fatima Zahra
[15:34] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Jesus' mom
[15:34] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Moses' ass
[15:34] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Abraham's gay-ass son
[15:34] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Poorochista (Zoroaster's whore daughter)
[15:34] <samiroquai> me wants you so bad
[15:34] <samiroquai> jooooooooooonsk
[15:34] <samiroquai> jah
[15:34] <samiroquai> :D
[15:34] <samiroquai> ))[15:34] <samiroquai> ))==D
[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> I got a hard on for prophet Muhammad's daughter
[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> dong
[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> DONG
[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> ))[15:35] <samiroquai> oh yeah
[15:35] <samiroquai> me wants Fatima (prophet Muhammad's daughter) so bad
[15:35] <samiroquai> me so horny
[15:35] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Fatima Zahra
[15:35] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Jesus' mom
[15:35] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Moses' ass
[15:35] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Abraham's gay-ass son
[15:35] <samiroquai> me fucky fucky Poorochista (Zoroaster's whore daughter)
[15:35] <samiroquai> me wants you so bad
[15:35] <samiroquai> jooooooooooonsk
[15:35] <samiroquai> jah
[15:40] <AlgorithmicContr> good day gentlemen
[15:41] <TheSheep> hi AlgorithmicContr
[15:57] <maxamillion> TheSheep: sorry .... i didn't catch that one
[16:20] <schlumpf> hi how can i find out if i have java on my os?
[16:20] <TheSheep> type 'java' in the terminal
[16:22] <schlumpf> easy one :) thanks
[16:23] <maxamillion> schlumpf: does the command 'java' return anything about gij? ... because java (iirc) defaults to alias to gij
[16:24] <schlumpf> yes i does return about gij
[16:24] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it's a java implementation too, right?
[16:24] <schlumpf> via gif --version it says me java version 1.4.2
[16:25] <schlumpf> which leads me to the next question is that a uptodate version?
[16:25] <maxamillion> TheSheep: well ... yes, but i've never been able to get any application written in java to work
[16:25] <maxamillion> errr... to work using gij*
[16:26] <maxamillion> TheSheep: have you tried the OpenJDK/IcedTea JVM project? ... its pretty awesome :)
[16:31] <TheSheep> maxamillion: I don't do java often
[16:33] <maxamillion> ah
[16:33] <maxamillion> well, gotta run ... bbl
[17:18] <idaiai> hi
[17:27] <Angel_Gr> Hi everyone...
[17:32] <Angel_Gr> I have a x86 64 bit Intel Pentium processor (3.00Ghz) and I would like to install xUbuntu 7.10. In the ubuntu download site I can find 2 versions. The first one is for a Standard personal computer (x86 architecture) and the other one is for 64 bit AMD (and Intel?). Which should I download?
[17:45] <roe> how do I create desktop shortcuts from the applications menu items?
[17:45] <roe> right click doesn't bring up a context menu
[17:49] <Twinkletoes> Using 6.06 Desktop, I've just done some updates, and now when I try and start *certain* admin tools, it won't accept my password.  Some tools work, some don't.  The error is: "The entered password is invalid"
[17:50] <Twinkletoes> Additionally, /var/log/auth.log says "User is not in sudoers file!" but it most certainly is
[17:55] <zoredache> that doesn't sound good...
[17:55] <zoredache> did you use visudo to edit the file?
[17:56] <zoredache> you might triy a 'sudo visudo -c' perhaps the file is somewhat broke?
[17:59] <Twinkletoes> zoredache: Trying now...
[18:00] <Twinkletoes> zoredache: /etc/sudoers file parsed OK
[18:00] <Twinkletoes> zoredache: I created a new user, added to the admin group (using vigr) but still the same.  some utils work, some don't
[18:02] <Twinkletoes> zoredache: That's strange, I can't see my 2nd user in the admin grou pwhen I do vigr -s, but it appears normally in vigr
[18:02] <Twinkletoes> zoredache: How do I link them again?
[18:05] <zoredache> sorry?
[18:06] <Twinkletoes> zoredache: Basically, /etc/gshadow and /etc/group are different (in only one place).  I could edit it the same manually, or is there a tool I can run to correct them?
[18:08] <zoredache> I don't know about that..
[18:08] <Twinkletoes> zoredache: Wait... there is a command called 'grpconv'...
[18:09] <Twinkletoes> Well, that's corrected the discrepancy, but not the original problem :(
[18:22] <march> hi@all
[18:34] <slow-motion> bye
[19:20] <Yamato> how much faster would Xubuntu 7.10 be then Ubuntu 7.04 on a VIA C7-D?
[19:23] <Yamato> i'll take the silence as "Haha!
[19:29] <zoredache> you could take it that way... you might also take it, that we have no idea
[19:30] <Yamato> i'll install Xubuntu anyway
[19:30] <zoredache> of course you asked 'how much faster', and you told us the new item, but not your old mb...  So how can we compare
[19:30] <Yamato> hmm
[19:30] <Yamato> i'll just VM it
[19:31] <zoredache> I have no experience with a via c7-d though, so I can't tell you.  Personally I think you should just install and try it
[19:31] <Yamato> i shoulda just saved more money
[19:31] <Yamato> and bought a better board and cpu
[19:34] <Yamato> the original reason i wanted to switch to Linux was "so i could have a cool fake mac osx desktop"
[19:58] <TheSheep> Yamato: you should have switched to macos
[20:52] <xubinux> where can i find second life folder please?
[20:53] <LiENUS> second life?!
[21:04] <march> ~/.secondlife ?
[21:05] <march> http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.ubuntuusers.de%2FSecond_Life&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ASCII
[21:06] <holo> hi
[21:07] <holo> I downloaded the latest release of xubuntu
[21:07] <holo> why can't I go through the language choice?
[21:07] <holo> is there some bug i should be aware?
[21:10] <TheSheep> holo: what do you mean "can't get through
[21:10] <TheSheep> "?
[21:12] <holo> TheSheep: I choose the language
[21:12] <holo> TheSheep: I mount the cd-rom, he asks me again for language
[21:13] <holo> in the other items from the menu happens the same
[21:15] <holo> I hope the reason has nothing to do with the underlying emulation abstraction I am using: bochs
[21:15] <holo> bochs shouldn't know anything about this, so I assume its an error from me or the installer
[21:16] <holo> So, when i select an Item or an option of an item, I always press <space>
[21:16] <holo> is anything wrong with this?
[21:16] <holo> "execute a shell" also prompts me for the language
[21:17] <TheSheep> did you try to select a language?
[21:17] <holo> TheSheep: also
[21:18] <TheSheep> holo: you use the alternate cd or the livecd?
[21:18] <holo> TheSheep: alternate cd
[21:18] <TheSheep> holo: gutsy?
[21:19] <holo> TheSheep: a moment, i will check
[21:19] <TheSheep> holo: or hoardy alpha3?
[21:19] <TheSheep> hardy*
[21:19] <holo> TheSheep: gutsy yes.
[21:19] <holo> I can see from the string "7.10"
[21:20] <holo> since I am getting paranoid, the whole filename is: xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso
[21:20] <TheSheep> and what happens when you select a language? (and which language you're selecting)?
[21:21] <holo> TheSheep: It goes back to the main menu where all options are. I choose english
[21:22] <holo> Btw, "abort installation" selecting also prompts me with "language"
[21:22] <TheSheep> have you try to verify your cd?
[21:23] <holo> I will, but I bet 5euros here that it will prompt me for language :D
[21:23] <TheSheep> not likely
[21:24] <holo> TheSheep: it prompted me for the language. And it didn't also proceed to the suposed task
[21:26] <TheSheep> looks like something is very wrong with it
[21:26] <TheSheep> can you verify the image you downloaded?
[21:26] <TheSheep> !md5 | holo
[21:26] <ubotu> holo: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[21:41] <holo> ubotu, TheSheep, i'm just solving an issue here, I will go back to this subject in an instant. sorry for this delay
[22:11] <march> goodnight
[22:55] <TD-Linux> hi, I am planning on installing xubuntu on a friend's ancient laptop tomorrow (during lunch hour)
[22:56] <TD-Linux> I am not sure exactly what the laptop is, but it runs win98 at the moment, has no ethernet port, and is about 2 inches thick
[22:56] <TD-Linux> it has about 4 gigs of hard drive space free
[22:56] <TD-Linux> is there anything I should be worried about?
[22:57] <TD-Linux> should plain old xubuntu desktop install cd work fine? should I burn the alternate just in case, or is desktop reliable enough by now?
[22:59] <TheSheep> I'd burn the alternate just in case it has low memory
[23:16] <TD-Linux> also, does xubuntu have a widget or whatever for displaying battery status