[11:54] <bac> hi frankban, i see you're working on bug 1103204.  are you able to duplicate it?
[11:54] <_mup_> Bug #1103204: Removing a relation sometimes fails <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103204 >
[11:55] <frankban> bac, yes
[11:55] <bac> good
[12:27] <frankban> bac: could you please take a look at https://codereview.appspot.com/7199043 ?
[12:28] <bac> frankban: ok.
[12:30] <bac> frankban: it is odd you had to go to such lengths to reproduce the bug.  it frequently happened right away for me after reloading the page.
[12:30] <frankban> bac: in uistage or locally?
[12:31] <bac> locally
[12:31] <bac> frankban: approved
[12:32] <frankban> bac: thanks.
[12:32] <bac> with that i'm going back to bed.  perhaps i'll feel better after lunch.
[13:42] <frankban> benji: are you around?
[13:43] <benji> frankban: I am.  What's up?
[13:43] <frankban> benji: do you have time for a review? https://codereview.appspot.com/7199043
[13:43] <benji> sure, I'll look now
[13:43] <frankban> benji: cool, thanks
[13:44] <benji> my pleasure
[13:54] <benji> frankban: I got distracted for a minute, but the review is done now.
[13:58] <frankban> benji: thanks, re the test, agreed. what do you think about creating another card for it? it would be easier to add missing test after your current card is landed.
[13:59] <benji> frankban: makes sense; in fact, I may do that card too (unless you really want it)
[14:03] <frankban> benji: cool, creating a card, please feel free to tackle it if that means just a reasonably small addition to your branch
[14:11] <frankban> benji: added card for bug #1103477
[14:11] <_mup_> Bug #1103477: Add test for relation removal <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103477 >
[14:11] <benji> thanks
[14:23] <gary_poster> bacm bcsaller frankban teknico, as I said in my email, please let me know if you are interested in working on the Go Juju changes.  It will help our planning discussion.  Some indication of degree of interest would be somewhat helpful a well.  Let's say a scale of 1 to 10, where 5 represents ambivalence, 1 represents an abhorrence verging on the irrational, and 10 represents ecstasy and bliss at the idea. :-)
[14:23] <gary_poster> bac, that is
[14:23] <gary_poster> benji, thanks for your email.  a degree of interest indicator would be nice but not necessary
[14:24] <teknico> gary_poster, oh, I thought it wasn't needed, at least on my part
[14:24] <benji> gary_poster: for Go?
[14:24] <teknico> gary_poster, let's turn it to eleven! ;-)
[14:24] <gary_poster> teknico, ok :-)
[14:24] <gary_poster> benji, yes
[14:24] <benji> gary_poster: 8.5
[14:25] <gary_poster> benji, cool thanks
[15:30] <Makyo> Meeting today?
[15:32] <Makyo> benji, frankban teknico - meeting?
[15:33] <benji> Makyo: sounds like fun
[15:33] <frankban> Makyo: yep
[15:33] <teknico> Makyo, yep
[15:33] <Makyo> + bac
[15:33] <benji> gary_poster might even join us
[15:33] <benji> Makyo: bac isn't feeling well
[15:34] <Makyo> benji, Ah, thanks.
[15:43] <benji> bcsaller: something that might make the run-the-tests-and-scrape-the-result script easier: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xvfbwrapper
[15:43] <benji> bcsaller: in particular the "Example: Headless Selenium WebDriver Tests" section
[15:44] <bcsaller> benji: thats how its done in the charm test I think
[15:44] <benji> it might be, I suggested it but am not sure what they settled on
[15:51] <gary_poster> sorry, meeting benji :-)
[16:00] <therve> hola!
[16:00] <therve> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1563427/ is my problem of the day :)
[16:11] <gary_poster> :-/
[16:21] <frankban> therve: could you please paste the full charm.log?
[16:21] <teknico> therve, your world is broken :-)
[16:22] <therve> frankban, where's that?
[16:23] <therve> teknico, I know! there is most certainly something wrong with me
[16:23] <teknico> therve, most likely not :-)
[16:24] <frankban> inside the juju gui instance, it should be in /var/lib/juju/units/juju-gui-0/charm.log, or something similar...
[16:24] <frankban> therve: ^^^
[16:24] <therve> I don't have such a thing
[16:27] <therve> I have 'juju-gui-0.1.5' instead of 'build-prod' in the /var/lib/juju/units/juju-gui-0/charm/juju-gui/ directory
[16:33] <teknico> therve, uhm, now our world is broken too :-P
[16:33] <frankban> therve: is the provider lxc?
[16:33] <therve> frankban, indeed
[16:34] <teknico> it's nice that someone is able to actually deploy on lxc :-)
[16:35] <therve> teknico, it's been rather challenging :)
[16:50] <gary_poster> therve, related topic.  I'm in the process of describing the details of what Landscape is providing the GUI in annotations so that I can work with the UX folks to figure out the user stories and presentation.  Could you comment on/correct this?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1563586/
[16:51] <frankban> therve: do you have the file /var/log/juju/unit-juju-gui-0.log or similar (inside the container)?
[16:52] <therve> frankban, new instance: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1563593/
[16:53] <therve> gary_poster, so
[16:53] <therve> gary_poster, right now, it's unit, not machine
[16:53] <therve> gary_poster, I think there are a couple of others annotations, at a technical level
[16:53] <therve> gary_poster, ie, a global link to resolve security and reboot alerts
[16:54] <therve> and probably a root_url to landscape
[17:00] <gary_poster> therve, so if we get a security alert on a unit, we will go to a Landscape link that is not specific for a given unit
[17:00] <gary_poster> ?
[17:00] <gary_poster> to resolve it
[17:00] <gary_poster> and same for reboot
[17:05] <therve> gary_poster, yeah unfortunately we don't have one per unit
[17:06] <therve> gary_poster, although, considering all the machines are the same, at least the whole service ought to get the alert
[17:06] <gary_poster> ok cool therve.  And you also have a Landscape link to the machines that represent the current environment, right?
[17:06] <therve> gary_poster, correct
[17:06] <gary_poster> cool
[17:07] <gary_poster> therve, "all the machines are the same": really?  Juju allows you deploy machines with a given set of constraints, and then add machines later to the same service after having changed constraints
[17:07] <gary_poster> and even over time I wonder if new machines might be different than old
[17:08] <therve> gary_poster, all the machines in a service
[17:08] <therve> iiuc
[17:09] <gary_poster> therve, since you can add units over time, that can change things yeah?  But anyway, IIUC it is irrelevant: you are already giving us per unit annotations about reboot/security, and then our Landscape reboot/security control is for...the entire environment or every single machine that your Landscape is managing?
[17:09] <gary_poster> irrelevant to us right now I mean :-)
[17:10] <therve> gary_poster, we can decide maybe
[17:10] <gary_poster> because what you have would handle either scenario, homogenous or heterogeneous
[17:10] <gary_poster> ok, therve, np, it doesn't change the story much on our side
[17:11] <frankban> therve: just deployed juju gui on lxc, worked fine, what's the juju origin in your environment.yaml?
[17:11] <therve> frankban, ppa
[17:15] <frankban> therve: in the charm directory, juju-gui should be a link. where does it point to?
[17:18] <therve> frankban, /var/lib/juju/units/juju-gui-1/charm/release/juju-gui-0.1.5
[17:27] <gary_poster> Hey Makyo! Welcome back!  How was the trip?
[17:33] <Makyo> gary_poster, Excellent!  Good to be home, though.
[17:36] <therve> gary_poster, sent an email about annotations
[17:41] <frankban> therve: output of "ll /var/lib/juju/units/juju-gui-1/charm/release/juju-gui-0.1.5/ ?
[17:42] <therve> frankban, sorry the instance is gone :/
[17:42] <frankban> therve: np
[17:45] <benji> new review up: https://codereview.appspot.com/7195047/
[17:46] <therve> frankban, it seems to be that the setup_gui logic in the charm is wrong
[17:46] <therve> ie the first_path_in_dir call doesn't do what it ough to
[17:46] <therve> (although I'm not sure how this could end up being build-prod I guess)
[17:48] <frankban> therve: in setup_gui we link the uncompressed release dir to juju-gui
[17:48] <therve> correct
[17:49] <frankban> at this point, juju-gui should contain build-prod, which is the root of the production GUI.
[17:51] <frankban> therve: then, in start_gui, that directory is build_dir, and we overwrite the configuration file: config_js_path = os.path.join(build_dir, 'juju-ui', 'assets', 'config.js')
[17:52] <therve> frankban, oh right, there is one more level though
[17:53] <therve> frankban, it's looking for /var/lib/juju/units/juju-gui-0/charm/juju-gui/build_prod/ whereas the path is /var/lib/juju/units/juju-gui-0/charm/juju-gui/$version/build_prod/
[17:55] <frankban> therve: you mean, $version is juju-gui-0.1.5?
[17:55] <therve> frankban, yeah
[17:56] <frankban> therve: the directory structure, starting from the charm root, should be:
[17:56] <therve> frankban, the ln in setup_gui create a link inside JUJU_GUI_DIR, it doesn't replace it
[17:58] <therve> the -f in ln doesn't remove the drectory
[17:59] <frankban> therve: but at the time setup_gui call ln -s, JUJU_GUI_DIR should not exist
[17:59] <therve> frankban, ah that may be the issue. It does exists
[17:59] <frankban> so, the problem is, it exists, and should not
[18:00]  * therve nods
[18:00] <therve> oh, hum
[18:01] <therve> frankban, I have a file in my local charm :/
[18:01] <therve> let me try again
[18:01] <frankban> therve: how did you deploy the charm when you first encountered this problem?
[18:01] <frankban> ah, ok
[18:15] <frankban> gary_poster: https://codereview.appspot.com/7205044 (from me and Nicola) should address all the comments in the charm review
[18:15] <gary_poster> awesome frankban, looking
[18:15] <frankban> thanks
[18:21] <gary_poster> teknico, frankban nice work, thank you.  Land as is
[18:21] <therve> frankban, ok it works after cleaning up my local charm. Sorry for the noise.
[18:21] <teknico> gary_poster, thanks :-)
[18:21] <gary_poster> :-)
[18:21] <frankban> therve: no problem :-)
[18:22] <gary_poster> therve, yeah, glad it's ok :-)
[18:22] <gary_poster> thank you frankban for walking through with him. :-)
[18:24] <frankban> gary_poster: cool, EOD for us, after the second review, if everything's ok, please feel free to land the branch (or have someone do that), and re-propose. I've tried tests and qa, they pass, but a double check would be great
[18:24] <gary_poster> cool frankban and teknico have a great evening and thanks again
[20:14] <benji> allgui: ok, I have some crazyness that I'm having trouble debugging, anyone available to pair?
[20:17] <gary_poster> benji, that's guihelp I think yeah?
[20:18] <benji> gary_poster: could be, I couldn't remember and couldn't find it written down anywhere
[20:18] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:18] <benji> guihelp: ok, I have some crazyness that I'm having trouble debugging, anyone available to pair?
[20:18] <gary_poster> benji, it's in the kanban card from the discussion.  I try to keep notes there before blogs
[20:19] <benji> it is also in my notes now
[20:19] <gary_poster> cool
[20:42] <therve> hazmat, https://code.launchpad.net/~therve/juju/env-annotations-gc/+merge/144583 for your reviewing pleasure
[22:02] <benji> Makyo: thanks for the review of my branch, would you mind reviewing another one for me?  I want to move them as far along as possible so I'm not gumming up the works. https://codereview.appspot.com/7133069
[22:02] <Makyo> benji, on it.
[22:02] <benji> thanks!
[22:04] <Makyo> benji, This is stacked on your other branch, right?
[22:04] <benji> Makyo: right... oh!    Where should I be looking, specifically?
[22:05] <benji> let me see if I can fix it
[22:06]  * benji turns the big handle on the side of an oily, smokey machine labled "lbox"
[22:11] <benji> Makyo: I give up.  Here is the real diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1564396/ and here is the new (but still bloated) review: https://codereview.appspot.com/7206047
[22:11] <benji> (why a new review?  because I killed the old one in hopes that the -req switch for lbox would actually work)
[22:12] <Makyo> benji, Thanks, will take a look
[22:12] <benji> I appreciate it.
[22:16] <alejandraobregon> hazmat: pdr 2?
[22:16] <alejandraobregon> robbiew: pdr 2
[22:32] <robbiew> alejandraobregon: ack


[00:08] <FloridaGuy> i know there is apt-fast apt-proz and a few others...those are to to speed up download of apt-get...is there away to speed the install process up..?
[00:10] <arrrghhh> hey all.  just installed the kubuntu-desktop package on 10.10, and the fonts are all out of whack
[00:10] <arrrghhh> some sections are gigantic, others are tiny.
[00:10] <arrrghhh> i tried grooming the font size in application appearance under system settings, but that doesn't seem to have done it (unless i need to reboot the machine?)
[00:16] <mole_> how can i reset to default "panel" without deleting whole .kde directory?
[00:16] <mole_> i'm using netbook interface
[00:46] <arrrghhh> hey all, anyone here?  i have a silly question about fonts.
[00:48] <arrrghhh> crickets in here
[01:29] <arrrghhh> lots of people here
[01:29] <arrrghhh> no one talking?
[01:29] <arrrghhh> anyone?  fonts?
[01:30] <arrrghhh> bueller?
[01:39] <francesco_> hello
[01:40] <francesco_> I need some little help to configure an Ion hdmi audio on kde 4
[01:40] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: Hello
[01:40] <Daskreech> mole_: Hello
[01:40] <Daskreech> Did you get an answer?
[01:41] <arrrghhh> i did not.
[01:41] <francesco_> any volountier ?
[01:41] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: What ws the question?
[01:41] <Daskreech> !sound
[01:41] <francesco_> !sound
[01:41] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, thanks!  basically there's some fonts that are gigantic and others that aren't on websites.
[01:42] <arrrghhh> i messed around with the "Application Appearance" section, and it seemed to help on some sites but not others...
[01:42] <Daskreech> Can You give me an example?
[01:42] <arrrghhh> the odd thing is, some fonts are huge and others are what i would call "normal" on a website
[01:42] <arrrghhh> sure, you mind a screenshot from a website?
[01:42] <Daskreech> No please do
[01:42] <arrrghhh> thx 1 sec
[01:42] <francesco_> Darkreech: i give a look thanks
[01:44] <Daskreech> francesco_: Ok :)
[01:44] <Daskreech> mole_: if you want to just get rid of plasma you can rename ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* or move them to a new directory.
[01:46] <francesco_> Daskreech: i got audio but i don't remember how :( ... now i have reinstalled linux ( switch from ubuntu to kubuntu) and I tryed to follow old istruction that worked for me but ... nada
[01:47] <Daskreech> what did you follow?
[01:47] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, sorry that took so long... http://arrrghhh.gotdns.com/snapshot1.png
[01:47] <arrrghhh> basically the thread text is gigantic, but the (1 2 3 ... Last Page) and the top right box are what I would call "normal" sized fonts.
[01:48] <Daskreech> What is the URL For that?
[01:48] <arrrghhh> i just installed kubuntu-desktop on an ubuntu 10.10 install
[01:48] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, the screenshot, it's a png.
[01:48] <francesco_> Daskreech: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1369666
[01:48] <arrrghhh> oh sorry.  not me.
[01:48] <francesco_> Daskreech: postadelmaga comment is mine :)
[01:49] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: You can give me your URL as well
[01:49] <arrrghhh> http://arrrghhh.gotdns.com/snapshot1.png
[01:49] <Daskreech> francesco_: when did you try this to get sound?
[01:50] <Daskreech> for 10.10 ?
[01:50] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: No for the website
[01:50] <francesco_> Daskreech: I had problem with ubuntu once ( around the post period ) and i solved
[01:50] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, eh?
[01:51] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: you are making the screenshot of a webpage. What's the URL to the webpage?
[01:51] <francesco_> Daskreech: the post was useful ... but now on kubuntu seams to not work ( but it passed some times )
[01:51] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, Oo sorry.
[01:51] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/tp2-android-development/
[01:52] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: in Konqueror?
[01:52] <francesco_> Daskreech: the main problem is about Hdmi ... phonon seams to not reconnaise it
[01:52] <Daskreech> francesco_: oh, Hmm
[01:52] <Daskreech> I'm not sure about that. Never tried
[01:52] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, i use FF
[01:52] <arrrghhh> i can try Konqueror
[01:52] <francesco_> Daskreech: I had similar problem on win 7 but last nvidia driver solved it
[01:53] <Daskreech> I suppose you could ask in #kde but I have a feeling that I might know the response
[01:53] <francesco_> Daskreech: but i can remember on ubuntu asound.conf solve my problem
[01:53] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: FF eh? :) which version?
[01:53] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, damnit it looks great in rekonq or whatever.
[01:53] <Daskreech> francesco_: ok cool
[01:53] <arrrghhh> 3.6.13?
[01:53] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: CURSES!!!  You see it that many sites?
[01:55] <arrrghhh> perhaps all these gnome-based apps look like crap.
[01:55] <Daskreech> francesco_: ok :)
[01:55] <arrrghhh> i'm using x-chat, and the font looks like crap in it.
[01:55] <arrrghhh> is FF using GTK?
[01:55] <arrrghhh> in linux?
[01:55] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: Well a) FF isn't Gnome and b) it should render things consistently
[01:55] <Daskreech> Yes it is
[01:56] <arrrghhh> hrm
[01:56] <francesco_> ok i got it yea
[01:56] <arrrghhh> how can i get it to look consistent?  is there some GTK+ setting in KDE that's making it look like poop?
[01:56] <Daskreech> francesco_: Got what?
[01:56] <Daskreech> !gtk
[01:56] <Daskreech> oh hmm
[01:56] <francesco_> it was s/pdif 1  switch
[01:56] <Daskreech> um
[01:56] <Daskreech> francesco_: Works now!
[01:57] <francesco_> Daskreech: i mean audio works now
[01:57] <francesco_> :)
[01:57] <Daskreech> \o/
[01:57] <Daskreech> Hooray
[01:57] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: thre is a package for the
[01:57] <francesco_> maybe i can post on the old thread to remember it in future
[01:57] <Daskreech> Oxygen-gtk or something
[01:57] <arrrghhh> GTK+ is set to QtCurve
[01:57] <Daskreech> francesco_: Yeah
[01:57] <francesco_> ok bye and thank u
[01:57] <arrrghhh> and "Use my KDE fonts"
[01:57] <arrrghhh> hrm
[01:57] <arrrghhh> ok
[01:58] <arrrghhh> what do you use for IRC?
[01:58] <Daskreech> konversation
[01:58] <arrrghhh> hrm
[01:58] <arrrghhh> i'll give it another shot.
[01:58] <arrrghhh> wasn't a fan when i used kubuntu back in the 7.10 days.
[01:59] <arrrghhh> been getting sick of gnome again of late :P
[02:05] <arrrghhh> Daskreech, so there's oxygen-cursor-theme,  -extra, -icon-theme and -complete...
[02:05] <Daskreech> arrrghhh: I think most of those are actually oxygen
[02:06] <arrrghhh> indeed
[02:08] <francesco_> ok im back
[02:08] <francesco_> Daskreech: as we say in italy i sing to fast
[02:09] <francesco_> Daskreech: audio works but only if i say to mplay to play on hdmi, kubuntu continue to not see it ( phonon or pulse :? )
[02:13] <Daskreech> francesco_: could be phonon. I'm not sure
[02:13] <francesco_> Daskreech: any hint ?
[02:14] <Daskreech> I would check the Pulse HDMI settings first
[02:14] <Daskreech> just cause it's easier
[02:15] <francesco_> Daskreech: yes i thought that too
[02:15] <francesco_> Daskreech: but how on kde ? does i need to install some kind of pulsecontrol gui ?
[02:21] <Daskreech> Sorry I'm here and off again. Working on a conference for tomorrow
[02:21] <Daskreech> That might work
[02:21] <Daskreech> apachelogger: ping
[02:22] <Daskreech> how would I check HDMI in Phonon?
[02:24] <george__> I'm using kubuntu 10.10 with the netbook plasma workspace and the Lock button up there doesnt do anything when i click on it???
[02:25] <george__> the Shutdown, Suspend, and Hibernate option buttons respond ok and display their options
[02:25] <george__> but not the Lock button
[02:27] <Daskreech> not tried the netbook workspace before
[02:28] <george__> I can just run a command on the term for a temporary workaround...
[02:28] <Daskreech> george__: seems to work
[02:28] <francesco_> i think netbook ws  is bugged
[02:29] <francesco_> I installed kubuntu also on my netbook yesterday
[02:29] <francesco_> and i switched quite soon to default workspace
[02:29] <george__> i have an HP Mini 210
[02:29] <george__> ooooh
[02:30] <francesco_> I also think kubuntu installation should make u choose what to use ( and not do it in auto ) cause i could be confusion for an user to find where is the switch
[02:31] <george__> well ill just switch to the Desktop WS until the Netbook WS is more fixed up n.n
[02:31] <george__> and what do u mean "what to use" francesco_?
[02:32] <george__> the workspace?
[02:33] <francesco_> george__: I mean ( sorry my bad english) that when you install kubuntu the installer choose for you which workspace mode use
[02:34] <george__> yea....
[02:34] <francesco_> george__:  if youi have a netbook ... if you have a desktop ... ( i think It is based on monitor resolution )
[02:34] <george__> that should be a nice feature for the installer
[02:35] <george__> i honestly like both workspaces anyways :b
[02:35] <francesco_> george__:  it would be more correct ( imho ) to let user choose for that ... I installed kubuntu on a desktop and then on my netbook
[02:36] <francesco_> george__: and at the first i was confused how to change  ( i also thought Installer choose different packet for netbook )
[02:36] <george__> one nice feature for the Ubuntu installer would be like the installer on openSUSE 11.3
[02:36] <george__> choose ur own DE
[02:37] <george__> but then the .iso would be huge in size
[02:38] <francesco_> george__:  yes maybe ... but i like also kubuntu installer ( also if it isn't very reactive  but that is a linux problem in general ) ...we need a fucking good scheduler
[02:38] <george__> yea xD
[02:39] <george__> when i was installing Kubuntu, the installer gave me an error relating to open office, but i clicked retry and it worked smoothly
[02:40] <george__> and my first bootup it gave me 2 lines about modprobe errors, but its simply correcting a .conf file and it goes away n.n
[02:42] <francesco_> maybeyou shoud re download the installer :)
[02:43] <Daskreech> What's wrong with Cron?
[02:54] <george__> well ill be going now, hope this simple bug gets patched up soon
[02:54] <Daskreech> george__: I can't verify it
[02:54] <Daskreech> ahhh :(
[03:11] <francesco_> i'm hating pulse audio
[03:12] <francesco_> miracle it workssss
[03:12] <francesco_> maybe it need some help
[03:14] <francesco_> however it seams on kde pulse need more integration ...
[03:15] <westy> when trying to convert a .rpm to a .deb the file still stays an rpm   im using alien to do it
[03:16] <westy> when its converting it, it even shows .deb generated
[03:31] <Daskreech> francesco_: Far as I know KDE has more Pulse integration than near anything else out there
[03:43] <francesco_> Daskreech: that cause pulse run only on gnome and kde maybe
[03:43] <francesco_> Daskreech: however on gnome ( ubuntu ) it seams  to me better
[03:44] <Daskreech> Maybe. Might just be ubuntu they seem really focused on getting it to work.
[03:45] <francesco_> Daskreech: on kde I had to install pavucontrol to set a correct output for Pulse otherwise i had to know how to config by hand in /etc/pulse/defalt.pa
[03:45] <Daskreech> More so than Fedora and it's a fedora project
[03:46] <francesco_> Daskreech: It is really possible i miss something ( maybe there is a easyer way ) but installing pavucontrol = a lot of gtk  dep
[03:46] <Daskreech> francesco_: Which KDE are you running?
[03:47] <francesco_> Daskreech: also it is difficult to find it ( for me ) ...  the system suggest me to use phonon to configure all so the user have the felling have not reconized his hardware while ....
[03:48] <francesco_> kde 4.5 I think ( maverik stuff however )
[03:49] <phoenix_firebrd> when i click my memory card in dolphin, it gets mounted read-only. i am using kde 4.6. how to solve this problem
[03:49] <Daskreech> Hmm seems to have Pulse in Multimedia in KDE 4.6
[03:50] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Probably put in a rule in fstab or udev
[03:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: why ?
[03:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: it was working fine, without that
[03:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: now what happened?
[03:52] <Daskreech> I'm not sure It used to be read write?
[03:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: ya. is it something got to do with user privileges?
[03:55] <Daskreech> It's possible. I generally just put a rule in fstab for the umask
[04:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: solved the problem. the problem was a corrupted file system of my memory card. formated it and now mounts correctly.
[04:54] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: That might do it
[05:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: thank you
[05:01] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Hope you didn't lose any files
[05:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: no :)
[05:02] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Ah wonderful :)
[05:02] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: bye
[05:02] <Daskreech> Bye
[05:35] <apachelogger> Daskreech: what do you mean by check?
[05:36] <Daskreech> apachelogger: someone wanted to check if their sound was going through HDMI
[05:36] <apachelogger> usually one notices :P
[05:37] <apachelogger> but if the HDMI device was listed first in the phonon kcm AND there was no error about HDMI playback not working, then generally the HDMI device is used
[05:37] <Daskreech> hmm ok
[05:37] <Daskreech> Thanks
[05:48] <Daskreech> george_: Just found out that Locking works with Krunner. if you start it then you can lock the screen
[06:07] <vbgunz> how can I get konquerors ctrl+f to STOP being case sensitive? not for nothing, but that's a real terrible default and is urking the hell out of me :/
[06:55] <phoenix_firebrd> when i insert my bluetooth dongle, bluedevil icon doesnt appear in the systemtray. very rarly it shows up.i checked with "lsusb " and my device is listed. i tested with "hcitool scan" my mobile shows up. but why didnt bluedevil show up?
[07:19] <razfazzz> Moin
[07:21] <razfazzz> ich wollte nochma neu installieren. eine frage bitte. auch wenn sie nicht hier hin gehört. ist die 10.04 lts oder die 10.10 maverick besser ? ich hab irgendwie das gefühl das die .04 fixxer is. oder kann das ned sein
[07:21] <Tm_T> !de | razfazzz
[07:22] <razfazzz> thx
[09:08] <fabrizio> rambo
[09:19] <kushagra> Does Kubuntu 10.10 support kde 4.6
[09:26] <noaXess> hey all
[09:26] <noaXess> hat kde apps for dvd creations are available?
[09:27] <james147> noaXess: kdenlive
[09:27] <noaXess> james147: i use kdenlive to create the movei.. but the dvd wizard is not reall impressiv.. cause eg. the dvd menu format is hard coded.. and is 4:3 .. but my movie is 16:9..
[09:29] <james147> noaXess: well, kdenlive is the most user... if not onlu... kde dvd creation tool, though there may be other linux tools around
[09:29] <noaXess> qdvdauthor.. i just read/watch demo
[09:30] <james147> then you know more then I do :)
[09:38] <noaXess> ha seems that qdvdauthor is i big dvd author with a lot of templates ;).
[11:21] <Daughain> Hwow do I set an executabe to run in bash outside its native dir?
[11:29] <janmalte> hi, i was wondering, if the way korganizer creates subcategories violates rfc5546
[11:30] <janmalte> as it suses ":" as the seperator
[11:30] <janmalte> Hord is having heavy troubles with this
[11:34] <shadeslayer_> janmalte: possibly open a bug in bugs.kde.org against this?
[11:34] <janmalte> yes, i will do this no i think. i was just asking at the irc before to get some feedback before doing so
[13:02] <nlsthzn> looking to share photos online and want it to work directly with digikam... what is the most used online service? (imageshack sucks)
[13:14] <ecinx3> how do i share files between two ckubuntu computers on a lan?
[13:24] <shane4ubuntu> ecinx3: you need ssh I find is a simple way, once ssh is installed on both computers, then in dolphin you can just put this in:  sftp://username@ip:/home/username  and you can copy and paste files in a gui way
[13:25] <shane4ubuntu> ecinx3: gotta run for now, but ssh is simple to get up and running there are a few guides around
[13:25] <shane4ubuntu> !ssh
[13:42] <vizyon9> hi
[13:43] <vizyon9> we are newby to ubuntu and have a problem abaut sending faxes throuh windows server  server
[13:43] <vizyon9> how can we handle this problem via ubuntu pls help
[13:44] <vizyon9> windows server 2003
[13:45] <vizyon9> any program any way to follow
[14:45] <allamoox> hii
[15:21] <RLa> what process runs with name "-:0"?
[15:25] <dmaionchi> hi there, i have a little question: when I start kate from the bash I get:QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[15:25] <dmaionchi> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/dmaionchi/.config/ibus/bus
[15:25] <dmaionchi> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[15:25] <dmaionchi> what could be the problem?
[15:25] <dmaionchi> or is this just normal?
[15:26] <dmaionchi> everersince there was no such warning
[15:33] <martin_____> dont know what it is, but i get the same when i start from console
[15:34] <martin_____> and... starting it out of the menu gives the same errors
[15:36] <dmaionchi> ok, i don't then any big problem
[15:56] <markit> hi, how can I setup things so taskbar shows only programs on the current desktop?
[15:59] <moshofosho> right click your taskbar and see if you can figure it out from there
[15:59] <moshofosho> when i first got kde4, i wondered the same thing, and that was my instinct
[16:19] <nikitis> Question.  I originally installed ubuntu but then installed the kubuntu package.  It now loads kubuntu by default which is what i want, however, it still has the gnome logon screen.  How can I fix that?
[16:21] <DarthFrog> nikitis: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[16:23] <nikitis> DarthFrog, brb testing.
[16:24] <nikitis> DarthFrog, Sorry, i did that and selected kdm, but I still get the gnome login screen
[16:25] <nikitis> is there some setting in one of my skeleton directory files?
[16:27] <DarthFrog> No.  Those files are processed only after logging in so how could they alter the choice of login display manager?
[16:27] <DarthFrog> Try "sudo apt-get remove gdm"
[16:27] <nikitis> Well i didn't know
[16:28] <DarthFrog> Now you do. :-)
[16:28] <nikitis> brb,
[16:29] <nikitis> DarthFrog, okay that worked
[16:33] <nikitis> Are there any color selections for kde that make windows transparent.  I'm not talking about outer window decorations but inner window?
[16:35] <Tm_T> nikitis: no
[16:55] <BluesKaj> howdy
[17:05] <phoenix_firebrd> when i insert my bluetooth dongle, bluedevil icon doesnt appear in the systemtray. very rarly it shows up.i checked with "lsusb " and my device is listed. i tested with "hcitool scan" my mobile shows up. but why didnt bluedevil show up?
[17:06] <Riddell> 17:05 < phoenix_firebrd> when i insert my bluetooth dongle, bluedevil icon doesnt appear in the systemtray. very rarly it shows up.i checked with "lsusb " and my device is listed.  i tested with "hcitool scan" my mobile shows up. but why didnt bluedevil show up?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: afiestas is the upstream dev for bluedevil :)
[17:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: ya i know
[17:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: what should i do now
[17:07] <shadeslayer> ok ... :D
[17:07] <shadeslayer> phoenix_firebrd: wait for him to reply? :D
[17:07] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: is he present here?
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> ya
[17:08] <shadeslayer> yes.... he just joined :)
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> great
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> i am very happy that he is present here
[17:08] <shadeslayer> i have to go, you guys have fun :)
[17:08] <phoenix_firebrd> shadeslayer: see you
[17:09] <shadeslayer> bye :)
[17:09] <afiestas> phoenix_firebrd: that may be a bug in libbluedevil we have to work on :(
[17:09] <afiestas>  I can send a patch to test it if you can try
[17:09] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: sure
[17:09] <afiestas> oks, I'm working right now, give me an hour or something
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: ok
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: i have installed bluedevil 1.0.2
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: libbluedevil version is 1.8
[17:11] <phoenix_firebrd> afiestas: i have tried in kubuntu 11.04 alpha 2, bluetooth works fine
[17:13] <phoenix_firebrd> libbluetooth version =4.69
[17:19] <judgen> hi
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> hi
[17:20] <judgen> On my main monitor works perfectly fine, but the other is just black with an empty xserver, Would you possible know how to fix that so i would get an kde session on both screens?
[17:20] <james147> judgen: what graphics card?
[17:20] <james147> and drivers
[17:20] <judgen> it would not be needed if i could move windows between the monitors, but as they seem to be separate i can not.
[17:21] <judgen> It am using binary blob nvidia 260*
[17:21] <judgen> the gfx card is a 8800Ultra
[17:21] <james147> judgen: try using twinview rather then seperate screens
[17:21] <judgen> james147: will do.
[17:22] <judgen> would that not make the windows maximize over both screens?
[17:22] <Guest5191> I have Eucalyptus 1.6.2 installed on ubuntu 10.04 using source installation with kvm. Currently I have ten nodes in my cloud in a single cluster architecture.
[17:22] <Guest5191> I am trying to run Hadoop in a cloud environment. So I will launch hadoop instances on the cloud. Now there is huge data on each Hadoop node so I am planning to use volumes as of now to store that data of each instance i.e Hadoop node. But since volumes are stored at Storage controllers so this means that there is continuous movement of data (lots of GBs) in cloud network from SC to node and also the response time of work done on
[17:22] <Guest5191> Hadoop instances will be slow due to time taken by data to travel in the network.
[17:22] <FloodBotK3> Guest5191: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:22] <james147> judgen: shouldnt
[17:22]  * james147 notes that kde virtually splits the screens back up so that windows behave properly... or at least it should
[17:23] <judgen> ok got to restart X brb
[17:24] <judgen> ok that worked, but no it thinks the secondary monitor is the main one in X
[17:24] <judgen> how do i change that?
[17:26] <james147> judgen: nvidia-settings should beable to set which is the primary one
[17:26] <judgen> james147: i can find no such settings sadly.
[17:26] <judgen> But am very grateful for you input.
[17:27] <james147> judgen: X server Display configureation > select a sccreen > check "make this the primart display for the x screen"
[17:28] <judgen> ok another Xorg restart.
[17:28] <judgen> hope this works.
[17:30] <judgen> that worked perfectly.
[17:30] <netskaven> hell-o!
[17:30] <judgen> Thank you very much Sir.
[17:31] <judgen> And sorry if i was a bit bothersome.
[17:32] <judgen> I do have one more question though, is it possible to put the run dialogue elswhere than on the top of the screen?
[17:32] <james147> judgen: yes
[17:33] <judgen> How would i go about doing that then?
[17:33] <james147> judgen: in the runner click the spanner/config icon > user interface > free floating window
[17:34] <judgen> that worked perfectly.
[17:34] <judgen> thanks again.
[17:34] <judgen> It is not as pretty, but oh su much better.
[17:43] <tsuther> hello all
[17:43] <Guest5191> hey
[17:43] <tsuther> anyone having problems running vmware in natty today?
[17:44] <james147> tsuther: ask in #ubuntu+1 for natty problems
[17:44] <tsuther> thx
[17:47] <Guest5191> Good night guys
[18:03] <judgen> I am perfectly satisfied with kde4 now (4.6) but will the growing pains for people migrating from gnome 2.*>3.0.* be the same or similar?
[18:03] <judgen> i had to use kde3 until 4.6 as much of the behaviour was not on par with my own.
[18:03] <judgen> now it is almost perfect.
[18:05] <james147> judgen: gnome3 isnt a complete (or basically a complete) rewrite, which kde3->4 was, meaning they are not likly to lose any features that they didnt delibrtly throw away, unlike kde4, which just hadent reimplmented them yet...
[18:05] <judgen> twould there be any issues you could think of though?
[18:06] <james147> judgen: usual problems of intoducing new and radical features....
[18:06] <nikitis> Only biff about kde4 i have is not being able to have one wallpapper go across two monitors.
[18:07]  * james147 hated that `feature` about gnome :p
[18:07] <james147> ^^ well at elast the inability to ahve two different wallpapers :)
[18:07] <judgen> the growing pains from gtk+ 1.2 to 2.* was horrible
[18:08] <nikitis> I mean twinview by definition is 1 desktop, two monitors,  Makes sense to me that should also include 1 wallpaper per desktop.
[18:08] <judgen> nikitis: a simple fic would be to cut the wallpaper into two and select each part as needed?
[18:08] <judgen> fix*
[18:09] <nikitis> judgen, too impractical.  I have 1000's of 3840x1200 wallpapers
[18:09] <james147> nikitis: ^^ then by that logic window should also maximise over both screens
[18:09] <nikitis> Some simple code doing a monitor check should allow it
[18:09] <nikitis> Do a check, if both monitors are the same resolutions, allow it across both
[18:10] <nikitis> if they aren't don't allow it
[18:10] <nikitis> and you can't tell me that it's difficult to implement that.  After all we can drag applications from one to the other
[18:10] <james147> ^^ or, let the user chose... have an option to stretch a wallpaper over both screens regardless
[18:10] <nikitis> exactly
[18:11] <judgen> nikitis: do you use all 1k of the wallpapers at once?
[18:11] <nikitis> But the only argument i've heard towards that end is, not everyone with two monitors have the same resolution
[18:11] <james147> nikitis: then suggest it to the kde devs, or implment ti and submit a patch :)
[18:11] <nikitis> judgen, i switch daily
[18:11] <nikitis> james147, i did, that's where i got the information that not all monitors match
[18:11] <nikitis> they just don't want to implement it
[18:12] <judgen> nikitis: i do not want the be rude, but why?, are none of them good enough?
[18:12] <judgen> i switch four times per year or there about.
[18:12] <nikitis> I like my desktops
[18:12] <james147> judgen: ^^ it not that any of them are not good enough, but could be that they are all too good :D
[18:12] <nikitis> i want to see them all
[18:12] <judgen> aaah
[18:13] <nikitis> so i change daily or every two days
[18:13] <judgen> i have windows covering the wallpapers all time except when i have just logged in =P
[18:13] <nikitis> so having to do that for all of them is like bleh
[18:13]  * james147 changes ever 30 mins ^^ :D
[18:13] <judgen> james147: holy smokes.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> nikitis, just to clear something up from yesterday. I have 3 samsung monitors , but they're all on different pcs, so I'm not familair with multi m ontor setups
[18:14] <judgen> I have 4 images that i use and have used since 1992. I change for each season.
[18:14] <judgen> oh i lied i also use the carribean toucan on my amiga.
[18:14] <judgen> sorry
[18:15] <judgen> that image is from deluxe paint i think.
[18:16] <nikitis> BluesKaj, i'm just surpised as visually appealing and customizable as kde is.  that there isn't a simple multimonitor wallpaper option.
[18:16] <nikitis> Seems elementary
[18:16] <judgen> is the compositing part of kwin or a separate module?
[18:16] <BluesKaj> nikitis, agreed
[18:16] <nikitis> kwin is a window manager
[18:16] <BluesKaj> and one panasonic plasma tv that i use as a monitor connected to our media-server, which I use  for internet stuff, when not watching tv
[18:17] <nikitis> compositing is the tying of the window manager to the 3d accelerator
[18:17] <nikitis> BluesKaj, i have soo many issues with the tv/monitor industry right now
[18:17] <nikitis> BluesKaj, For example.  I have this nice new media room with this house i bought
[18:17] <Peace-> nikitis: i have a video instead
[18:17] <Peace-> xD
[18:18] <nikitis> I want to buy a 70 inch TV.
[18:18] <nikitis> The problem?
[18:18] <nikitis> Sure it covers a lot of screen area
[18:18] <nikitis> but it's still only like 1920x1080 pixels
[18:18] <nikitis> I need actual width, and resolution
[18:18] <judgen> http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/koma-comic-strip-windows.jpg good one
[18:19] <nikitis> I want 10000x7600 pixel TV's
[18:19] <nikitis> So i can use it as a computer with all my apps displayed
[18:19] <judgen> nikitis: a 70" tv is a waste of money, so as me an get a projector for the money, mine can project up to 142 feet in size.
[18:19] <nikitis> and have TV as Picture in picture
[18:19] <judgen> and it uses alot less space
[18:19] <Peace-> james147: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/09/19/video-for-your-desktop/ :P
[18:20] <judgen> i have a hauppage tv-card in my pc so i do not even own a TV
[18:20] <judgen> no need.
[18:20] <nikitis> When is the industry going to get it in their heads I want high resolution screens.  Did you know you can hardly find a 1920x1200 screen anymore.  They lowered them to match blu-ray which is only 1920x1080.
[18:20] <BluesKaj> nikitis, well that depends on your viewing distance , a 70" tv to be viewed correct distance shoyld be 2.5to3.5 the screen size away from the tv ...if your room can accomodate that distance and most can then you're in business
[18:21] <judgen> nikitis: there is no reason to sell higher density.. the price for those is to low anyways.
[18:21] <judgen> compared to pruduction costs
[18:21] <nikitis> judgen, I need a high resolution solution.
[18:21] <james147> Peace-: :D yeah, remember seeing something similar a while ago... though i prefure not to waste that many gup cycles on eye candy :D
[18:21] <nikitis> i don't care about price
[18:21] <nikitis> But can you even buy much higher resolution monitors?
[18:22] <judgen> I also have two CRT's with over 3000x* in resolution. it is good enough and they last forever almost.
[18:22] <nikitis> I want mother f*##&n screens the size of CTU in the tv show 24.
[18:22] <Peace-> james147: hahahah :D true
[18:22] <judgen> 24 is like the cake.
[18:22] <BluesKaj> my plasma is a mere 42" , small by todays stds but quite adequate at 8ft away
[18:23] <nikitis> i don't want adequate, i want extreme.  Find it for me
[18:23] <nikitis> See if it exist
[18:24] <nikitis> if i'm going to be using a computer/TV for 3-4 hours a day, Plus 8 hours for work.  I want nothing less than amazing
[18:24] <judgen> nikitis: 142 feet at 2048x* in size is good enough for most.
[18:24] <judgen> get a projector
[18:24] <nikitis> judgen, i currently use 3840x1200.  And i need more room.  But the two monitors together are only like 4.5 feet across.
[18:25] <nikitis> 7680x4800 would be perfect for all of my applications i use daily for work
[18:25] <judgen> you can have several projectors though. 2x2048=4096
[18:25] <nikitis> i wouldn't need more than that
[18:25] <nikitis> True
[18:26] <judgen> three ones would be over 6100px
[18:26] <nikitis> But bulbs man
[18:26] <judgen> if you are going to use it indoors get the LED projectors.
[18:26] <nikitis> plus projectors never really give the kind of clarity/sharpness as an actual omled
[18:26] <nikitis> or brightness if the light is on
[18:27] <judgen> nothing beats CRT if you want clarity and colour correctness though
[18:27] <nikitis> LCD is sharpest
[18:27] <nikitis> CRT is colors
[18:27] <nikitis> Projection is size
[18:28] <judgen> LCD is crap in matter of longevity though. only about 3 years on average.
[18:28] <nikitis> wha?  naw
[18:28] <nikitis> I've had my monitors for 5 years now
[18:28] <nikitis> 1920x1200
[18:28] <judgen> guess you had luck, but i said average.
[18:28] <nikitis> and they run 24/7
[18:29] <judgen> i have NEC CRT's that has survived earthquakes and the likes for about 25 years.
[18:29] <nikitis> Hope you don't get cancer from them
[18:29] <judgen> by todays standard, not very good resolution though =D
[18:29] <nikitis> and space
[18:29]  * james147 has a 7 year old lcd tahts still going strong, and another that hasnt shown any sign of weekness after 3
[18:29] <nikitis> so much space CRT's
[18:30] <judgen> james147: some LCD's does not survive 1 year. i have had several.
[18:30] <nikitis> LCD's last much longer than 3 years
[18:30] <nikitis> what kind are you buying?
[18:30] <nikitis> cheapos?
[18:30] <judgen> maybe but average is alot lower than you think.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> we have 3 22" samsungs that are 3 yrs old...seem fine still..
[18:30] <james147> judgen: then you must have has some real bad luck... dont think i have seen many... if any lcds actualy die
[18:31]  * BluesKaj knocks on wood
[18:31] <judgen> also the possibillity of pixel failiure is high after 2 years.
[18:31] <james147> judgen: yea, but thats not a complete failure :)
[18:31] <judgen> the larger the screen, the more likely is the event of failiure though.
[18:31] <judgen> atleast in my experience
[18:32] <james147> ^^ i would say the opposite :) but only beacuse laptops have smaller screens, and tend to get thrown around allot :D
[18:32] <judgen> james147: that is true.
[18:32]  * james147 has seen many laptop lcds die due to being thwoen somewher :D
[18:32] <nikitis> survey says average lifespan of lcd's are 50,000 to 60,000 hours.  There's 8760 hours in a year if you ran them nonstop.  50,000/8760 = 5.6 years
[18:32] <james147> but never due to age ^^
[18:32] <judgen> i have a dell c600 that still lives.
[18:33] <Peace-> james147: ah you luck man i got a hp pavillion that after 1.5 year = burned lcd :(
[18:33] <nikitis> 60,000/8760 = 6.7 years
[18:33] <james147> nikitis: yeah, thats about what I would expect
[18:34] <james147> although less with laptops since they tend to get abused
[18:34] <Peace-> well now led should be 20 years long
[18:34] <nikitis> and that's what they are built for, may last longer/shorter
[18:34] <nikitis> CRT's are good for 10 years on average
[18:34] <nikitis> but if used often, can last longer
[18:34] <judgen> nikitis: using those kind of statistics is equal to using the manufacturers numbers for longevity on hard drives, and we have all had drives that first started to go slower, then louder then fail eventually. Even before the warranty is passed.
[18:34] <nikitis> the more electricity that runs through them the better
[18:35] <james147> nikitis: ^^ up to a point.... i think they tend to blow up if you pass tomuch though them :)
[18:35] <nikitis> judgen, i'm running 5 harddrives in my pc.  2 of which are 8 years old.  But according to google, who uses more harddrives than anyone.  Says they last from 1 year to 5 average
[18:35] <judgen> also those tests are performed in a cleanroom and perfect electrical supply without spikes or outages.
[18:36] <judgen> i can claim safely that due to the poor electrical supply in Southern CA my equippment aged faster.
[18:36] <nikitis> judgen, power supply's are built for interruption.  otherwise on first lightning strike they'd blow.
[18:36] <Peace-> james147: http://vimeo.com/20217266 kdenlive omg this is amazing xD i am spammin :P
[18:36] <nikitis> judgen, could be
[18:38] <james147> Peace-: :S your links keep killing ym konquror :S
[18:38] <Peace-> james147: hahahaha sorry man :(
[18:39] <judgen> Anyone except me uses Opera exclusively on KDE4?
[18:39] <judgen> It is just so fast
[18:39] <nikitis> Chrome here
[18:39]  * james147 uses konq, rekonq and chromium
[18:40] <Peace-> Peace-:  the same of james147
[18:40] <Peace-> xD
[18:40]  * james147 notes that this is a little offtopic ^^
[18:40] <Guest5191> lol firefox for me
[18:40]  * Peace- note that james147 has right
[18:41] <nikitis> i like firefox, but chrome is a bit lighter
[18:41] <judgen> Guest5191: i used firefox until i installed kde and felt it to be ugly, so i tried alot of different browsers. but the speed of opera won me over.
[18:42] <judgen> i have written some add ons that i love for firefox though, and no other browser allows me to fake the headers so i can see my american tv shows on the web afaik.
[18:42] <Guest5191> opera's not to shabby actually especially with it's new unite feature
[18:42] <nikitis> Peace-, i have a buddy who built something like that light painting, cept it didn't paint but he'd have a projector tied to a computer with a webcam, and virtual rain would project.  And where ever he walked it would bounce off of him.
[18:42] <Senix> judgen; try firefox4-beta11
[18:43] <judgen> Senix: there is no add-ons for ff4 to spoof headers.. so no there is no need to even try it again.
[18:43] <Peace-> nikitis: that video is made in kdenlive :P
[18:43] <Guest5191> i tried beta 8, it was pretty good
[18:44] <Peace-> nikitis: using a freior plugin in
[18:44] <judgen> too bad that opera is not OSS then it would be perfect.
[18:45] <Guest5191> @judgen true that
[18:45] <nikitis> Peace-, here is my friends work.  http://www.vimeo.com/833058
[18:46] <nikitis> images get generated based on touch
[18:46] <OchoZero9> how do i get a second monitor hooked up to my laptop?
[18:46] <Peace-> nikitis: wth
[18:47] <judgen> is it just me that dislikes the empahsis on touch screens to control the ui nowdays.. i mean on phones i guess it is ok. but on pc's it just dirties up the screen.
[18:47] <Peace-> OchoZero9: mmm systemsettings -->display
[18:47] <Guest5191> wow now that was cool
[18:47] <Senix> nikitis; thats awesome
[18:47] <nikitis> haha, he's a very smart 3d designer, one of the top developers for blender
[18:47] <nikitis> and he's messing with 3d rendering and webcams
[18:47] <OchoZero9> Peace-, it doesn't work
[18:48] <judgen> blender is a very good application.
[18:48] <Guest5191> it sure is
[18:48] <judgen> wish they would update it for Haiku again.
[18:48] <OchoZero9> This module is only for configuring systems wiht a single desktop sperad across multipme monitors. youd do not happear to have this configuration
[18:48] <nikitis> We used to game together at LAN Parties
[18:48] <judgen> but there might be less of a point as haiku currently lacks hw 3d rendering again.
[18:48] <nikitis> he's very good at UT2004
[18:48] <Guest5191> anyways see you later guys gotta big exam tommorow gotta study for it
[18:48] <Peace-> OchoZero9: video card?
[18:49] <Peace-> OchoZero9: guess is the driver issue i have an intel and it works
[18:49] <OchoZero9> i don't have one
[18:49] <judgen> nikitis: so am i =) i used to be at spot 224 in the world under the pseudonym Louise when i played.
[18:49] <OchoZero9> the processor is the video card
[18:49] <Peace-> OchoZero9: lspci
[18:49] <Peace-> OchoZero9: lspci | grep -i video
[18:49] <Senix> nikitis; I want to do this :p
[18:50] <Peace-> nikitis: it's open source?
[18:50] <Peace-> is it
[18:50] <Senix> Peace-; im guessing he used blender to do it.
[18:51] <Senix> Peace-; So if he released the blend file then we could try it out.
[18:51] <nikitis> http://www.vimeo.com/2450612
[18:51] <Peace-> Senix: mm i don't  think so
[18:51] <nikitis> he designed that gorilla at the intro
[18:55] <Peace-> nikitis: nice
[18:55] <nikitis> he's very smart
[18:56] <nikitis> he made this sweet 3d video for one of our 100+ man LAN parties
[18:56] <nikitis> trying to find it
[18:57] <nikitis> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8KyPTjjygo  He made this video in 2004
[18:57] <Senix> nikitis; that cool and all, but i really want to build one of those tables
[18:58] <nikitis> Skip to 2:05 to see the cool 3d stuff
[18:58] <phoenix_firebrd> n
[19:16] <OchoZero9> Peace-,  lspci | grep -i video did nohting
[19:18] <abhijeet> can somebody help me...regarding my laptop touchpad...the pointer freezes after every few minutes...i m running kubuntu 10.10
[19:35] <Mike1> Hi! What VoIP-program do you recommend? I don’t want to use Skype because it runs bad under Linux and is not free etc.
[19:38] <genii-around> Mike1: In kubuntu there is kphone specifically. Others include mumble and ekiga. There is a commercial one similar to skype called gizmogadget
[19:40] <Mike1> genii-around: I want to talk with a friend who is pretty new to KUbuntu, so what’s the easiest, most relieable program of the ones you mentioned?
[19:40] <Mike1> no need for fancy features, videochat would be nice but not necessary
[19:41] <genii-around> Mike1: kphone then, it's simple and just does SIP.
[22:06] <rosco_y> I set my default panel to "auto hide", now I can't find it--can get it back?
[22:09] <rosco_y> what would I search for in my process list, if I just wanted to kill it?
[22:12] <james147> rosco_y: the panel is part of plasma-desktop... killing that might not help much as it will restore its settings when you reload it
[22:13] <james147> rosco_y: you can reset it to default settings by quiting it (kquitapp plasma-desktop) then renaming ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* (file beginging with plasma) and starting plasma-deskotp again
[22:14] <rosco_y> Thank you james147, I think I'll do that because I don't really have my desktop customized muh anyways:)
[22:15] <rosco_y> It's been a long ddya....the tpyoss ruel
[22:21] <Peace-> james147: bye james147 :P
[22:22] <james147> Peace-: Bye
[22:33] <vale> ciao gente, è possibile impostare QoS da kubuntu senza passare dalle impostazioni del router?
[22:33] <vale> ho uno di quei maledetti router telecom e non riesco a trovare nulla nelle impostazioni
[22:34] <vale> sorry, now i've realized thi is the english channel :)
[23:26] <mark___> hello
[23:31] <dannyg123> hey all I have a question about grub2. See I have arch linux installed and kubuntu which wiped out that grub and now I want arch to boot with the option quiet but I cant find the file to add that option


[08:32] <ujee> Hi!  I have a horrible experience with 12.04 armhf on my pandaboard..  I was untarring a file, got a segfault, it slowed down a lot. managed to open uxterm, execute "dmesg", now it seems unable to spawn processes (my guess), I can toy with X11 though...
[08:34] <ujee> Anything I can try to find out, before I pull the plug?   (ssh logs in, but shell does not spawn. X11 windows don't close)
[08:57] <ujee> nevermind.. turning on the screen again is among the stuff that's stuck
[11:05] <ujee> Another question - has anyone working sound output with 12.04 armhf on pandaboard?  (since I don't and I have no clue how to debug)
[18:00] <ujee> What about pandaboard's ethernet randomly getting stuck?  any cure to that?
[18:19] <TypoNAM> ujee: tried ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 ?
[18:19] <ujee> helps for a while
[18:20] <TypoNAM> tried a different port on the switch/hub it is connected to? it might be a bad port on the switch/hub its self
[18:20] <ujee> doubt that.. got a brand new
[18:20] <ujee> but sure, I can try
[18:21] <TypoNAM> how often does the problem occurr?
[18:22] <ujee> when idle, then never, when streaming a tv channel,    roughly once per hour?
[18:23] <TypoNAM> are you up to date on the kernel of the distribution you're using?
[18:23] <ujee> armhf...
[18:24] <ujee> afk...
[18:24] <TypoNAM> what OS/distribution are you using on that board? :P
[18:28] <ujee> ubuntu of course , 12.04 armhf, TypoNAM
[18:30] <TypoNAM> and you have checked for updates, right?
[18:32] <ujee> y
[18:32] <ujee> newest omap4 kernel
[18:33] <ujee> but i had that issue in 11.11 and 12.04 armel  too..
[18:33] <TypoNAM> hmmm :/
[18:33] <ujee> do you think my panda is defective or something
[18:35] <ujee>   (fully back to keyboard)
[19:02] <ujee> it hasn't died yet (after switching the switch port..    but it's really weird that it would be the issue..   the cable might be bad, though)
[21:29] <Haikarainen> y helo thar! anyone wanna help me find a good driver for the PowerVR SGX 540 running pandaboard on ubuntu 11.10?
[21:29] <Haikarainen> booting from SD-Card, rootfs on USB->SSD Disk, I have ubuntu-omap4-extras installed, es2_info seems to be working, glxinfo as well (even though it says its software rasterizing, wich is my problem)
[21:43] <TypoNAM> OpenGL ES is not OpenGL, glxinfo is OpenGL only, es2_info is OpenGL ES only
[21:43] <TypoNAM> PowerVR SGX only does OpenGL ES hardware acceleration
[21:45] <Haikarainen> So that could be the reason xbmc is like 0.4 fps for me ?
[21:46] <Haikarainen> es2_info recognizes the right renderer though
[21:46] <TypoNAM> does xbmc use OpenGL?
[21:48] <Haikarainen> TypoNAM: I think so, dont know if its compatible with ES but i compiled it myself so if it is its probably a configuratiionissue
[21:49] <Haikarainen> I know xbmc should have no problems getting a decent framerate on pandaboard es though
[21:49] <TypoNAM> it might be, I'm not sure what all is available for video drawing acceleration for pandaboard
[21:52] <stgraber> Haikarainen: you'll want to build it with --enable-opengles (or --enable-gles not sure) and --enable-neon
[21:53] <stgraber> Haikarainen: my xbmc here runs perfectly smoothly in 1080p, it just gets a bit slow when decoding some 720p videos (and is almost unusable on 1080p content)
[21:53] <stgraber> IIRC you have a pre-built version of xbmc with GLES support in the linaro overlay PPA (be sure to just pick these packages and not the whole overlay, unless you want the rest of all the linaro backports)


[00:03] <jrwren> …
[01:43] <snap-l> Good eeeevening
[01:44] <jjesse> yes it is
[01:44] <jjesse> 8:44 pm
[01:45] <jjesse> doh
[01:45] <jjesse> wrong channel
[01:49] <_stink_> when i was a kid, 8:44pm was snacktime before bed
[01:49] <_stink_> my brother at like age 8 would go push the buttons on the microwave to make it say 8:44
[01:50] <_stink_> when it was 7pm
[01:50] <jjesse> hahaha
[01:50] <_stink_> rotten kid
[01:50] <jjesse> mmmm snack time
[03:52] <greg-g> _stink_: you're brother is awesome
[04:03] <_stink_> clever, at least.
[13:29] <greg-g> g'morning
[13:31] <rick_h_> party
[13:34] <brousch> greg-g: any wikimedia news?
[13:35] <greg-g> not yet, I'll find out "early this week" which means it better be today :)
[13:35] <brousch> tjagoda: Show all windows open in Unity?  Unity has unlocked the potential of your laptop
[14:11] <snap-l> The potential for locking up
[14:11] <snap-l> it's in every machine
[14:11] <tjagoda> ...
[14:11] <tjagoda> I hate you so much
[14:11] <tjagoda> =P
[14:12] <tjagoda> Perhaps when system76 catches up to 11.04 and releases an updated system76-driver it will improve
[14:27] <krondor> hmm http://ubuntu-releases.eecs.wsu.edu/natty/ seems down
[14:29] <tjagoda> It resolved here
[14:29] <tjagoda> And I am able to grab the iso
[14:29] <tjagoda> Your DNS has a failwhale
[14:29] <tjagoda> ?
[14:30] <rick_h_> damn work for their IE only freaking review site working...ugh
[14:30] <rick_h_> and people that force caps in their urls deservce to be shot
[14:30] <rick_h_> that is all...
[14:30] <krondor> yeah i get connection timed out on uverse but everything else seems good, maybe I'll try google's dns and see
[14:30] <krondor> my uverse is acting all batty lately anyway
[14:31] <rick_h_> krondor: yea, was having some issues yesterday as well
[14:31] <rick_h_> I setup google dns and still having some unhappy bits over the pipes
[14:31] <tjagoda> Comcast dns was fail a while back
[14:32] <tjagoda> I like openDNS
[14:32] <rick_h_> comcast always has DNS issues, that alone made me setup DNS on my colo at first
[14:32] <tjagoda> <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:32] <snap-l> Yeah, I use Google DNS
[14:33] <snap-l> seems to be pretty rock-solid.
[14:33] <krondor> rick_h_:  it's because uverse knows its end is coming at my house so it has to act up (data caps on the way and alll)
[14:33] <snap-l> krondor: Funny enough, they (AT&T)just laid some fiber over here, and had someone go door-to-door to let everyone know.
[14:33] <tjagoda> lol
[14:33] <snap-l> So there may be more traffic. ;)
[14:34] <tjagoda> Thats kind of sad
[14:34] <tjagoda> "PLEASE DONT LEAVE"
[14:34] <tjagoda> "NEW FIBER LOL!"
[14:34] <snap-l> I already did
[14:34] <snap-l> I'm on wowway, and it's nice.
[14:34] <tjagoda> If wow offered service out here I'd switch in a heartbeat
[14:34] <tjagoda> Loathe comcast
[14:35] <krondor> yeah that's how I ended up switching to it, the door to door guys have promos online doesn't.      Uverse is $60 for 24 down 3 up, but if it's capped I guess what's the point?
[14:42] <rick_h_> the only other option is to go back to comcast which only has half the speed and ugh cable
[14:42] <krondor> rick_h_:  they're not active yet in our area but they're coming, I've heard May.  It's 250 GB/month for all plans.
[14:42] <rick_h_> krondor: right, but I'm not coming up to 250gb/mo
[14:42] <krondor> you can exceed it 3 times for the life of your account and after the 3rd overage they bill you the excess.
[14:42] <rick_h_> so still > comcast
[14:43] <rick_h_> nice
[14:43] <snap-l> Oh that's brilliant
[14:43] <krondor> I'm over it most months.  Netflix is a hungry animal.
[14:43] <rick_h_> yea, we do netflix, but tends to just be a movie/two per week
[14:44] <rick_h_> not a daily affair
[14:44] <rick_h_> so where you headed to then?
[14:44] <rick_h_> do you have more than comcast in the area?
[14:44] <krondor> wow as well, I'd probably be looking at WoW first and then maybe comcast or comcast business class.
[14:45] <rick_h_> n0p_: why did you guys cancel wow? I don't recall
[14:45] <rick_h_> yea, I think jcastro has the comcast business class and loves it
[14:47] <n0p_> primarily because of the move
[14:47] <rick_h_> gotcha
[14:48] <n0p_> was sorta wanting to, just due to the overall expense
[14:48] <n0p_> but was satisfied with their service overall
[14:48] <snap-l> Did you get the cable TV stuff?
[14:48] <n0p_> oh, yeah, was just TV
[14:48] <n0p_> stuck with comcast for Internet
[14:48] <snap-l> Yeah, TV is expensive
[14:48] <n0p_> Wow speeds are slower
[14:48] <snap-l> I just use them for phone and internet
[14:48] <n0p_> or at least they were when i was evaluating
[14:49] <snap-l> They still are
[14:49] <snap-l> 8Mbps down, 1Mbps up
[14:49] <snap-l> You can get 15/2, but that's without phone
[14:49] <snap-l> which leads me to believe they're reserving bandwidth. ;)
[14:49] <rick_h_> people still have phones?
[14:49] <snap-l> rick_h_: Land-lines at that.
[14:49] <n0p_> heh, yeah, broadvoice still
[14:50] <rick_h_> n0p_: yea, same here
[14:50] <n0p_> still good for call that consume minutes
[14:50] <snap-l> Funy enough, for conference calls, I still use Skype. ;)
[14:50] <snap-l> 1800 calls = free
[14:50] <n0p_> i cant imagine talking on a real land line again, i am sure the quality would be awesome
[14:51] <snap-l> I love my land-line
[14:51] <n0p_> cell and voip phones are not that great imo
[14:51] <snap-l> Well, my land-line is voip, and it's pretty good
[14:51] <n0p_> they get the job done, but miss the clarity of a call
[14:51] <snap-l> compared with what I was using before with DSL / Land Line, it's comparable
[14:52] <snap-l> and considering that all of the traffic now is VOIP anyway (even on a conventional land line)... :)
[14:52] <snap-l> BTW: MUG Tonight, folks.
[14:52] <n0p_> heh, yeah
[14:53] <rick_h_> man, not going to make another one
[14:53] <rick_h_> 0-4 this year :(
[14:53] <snap-l> priorities, man. ;)
[14:54] <snap-l> Just leave Michael home alone. What's the wors that could happen?
[14:54] <rick_h_> hah
[14:55] <snap-l> Dear Ticketmaster: Someone who bought tickets for Rush might like Bob Seger. They're not likely to enjoy Glee or NKOTB / BSB.
[14:57] <brousch> sounds like logical associations to me, and i'm sure they have petabytes of data behind their suggestions
[15:05] <wolfger> snap-l: you didn't see the Rush episode of Glee?
[15:08] <jrwren> there is a rush episode?
[15:10] <krondor> and that BSB documentary had them mentioning Rush as a primary musical influence for the producer that actually wrote their songs, oh wait I mean I've never seen a BSB documentary.
[15:11] <jrwren> what is BSB?
[15:11] <jrwren> back street boys?
[15:12] <greg-g> back street's back, ALL RIGHT!
[15:12] <_stink_> and that's why greg-g is a hit with the ladies.
[15:12] <jrwren> dismantled lists paula abdul as an influence... sooo....
[15:13] <greg-g> _stink_: hey, in high school, two years in a row, my buddies and I did full-length dances to BSB songs, 1 song the first year then added another one the second year. The ladies loved it.
[15:13] <wolfger> Hey, she influenced my teenage years...
[15:13] <wolfger> now I look at her and say "wtf was I thinking?"
[15:14] <greg-g> we watched their music video and learned their dance moves. We had a buddy who if it wasn't a preacher's son would have been, well, you know ;)
[15:14] <jrwren> wolfger: i am guessing that is how it was for dismantled. i've you've never heard 'em, they are hella sweet adn you wouldn't guess paula as influence
[15:14] <_stink_> greg-g: i have now slotted the high school aged greg-g into a nice little stereotyped box. :)
[15:14] <jrwren> greg-g: lol
[15:14] <jrwren> greg-g: cliche
[15:14] <greg-g> _stink_: awesome
[15:14] <greg-g> jrwren: :P
[15:15] <_stink_> greg-g: did you have some kind of mock rock competition thing at which to do those dances?
[15:15] <greg-g> oh, no, sorry, this was at prom, that was an important part of that story
[15:15] <_stink_> ahhhh
[15:16] <_stink_> wow
[15:16] <greg-g> sorry, multitask.... huh, ohai
[15:44] <tjagoda> bwahaha
[15:44] <tjagoda> I just bansihed non-blackberry devices from this workplace
[15:44] <tjagoda> RIM should thank me.
[15:44] <greg-g> way to go, jerk
[15:45] <greg-g> hater of choice
[15:45] <tjagoda> Not like Android is going to be open much longer anyway ;D
[15:45] <greg-g> or something
[15:45] <snap-l> tjagoda: Way to make a monoculture
[15:45] <brousch> fascist bureaucrat. die in a shredder
[15:46] <snap-l> I hope Blackberry doesn't have some major bug that paralyzes your infrastructure.
[15:46] <snap-l> When Ford got nailed witht eh "ILoveYou" virus, my Linux machine was one of the few able to continue working
[15:47] <tjagoda> Mmmm
[15:47] <tjagoda> Easily manageable monoculture
[15:47] <wolfger> Mmmm. Easily destroyable monoculture
[15:47] <snap-l> Of course, I kept saying "I love you" to the PC support guy. ;)
[15:47] <tjagoda> Yes
[15:48] <tjagoda> And so are all my windows end nodes
[15:48] <jrwren> but blackberry SUCKS!!!
[15:48] <snap-l> Your network looks tasty.
[15:48] <jrwren> well, it sucks for end users. blackberry from an admin pov is SWEET.
[15:48] <jrwren> as long as you ahve budget for bb ent server.
[15:48] <tjagoda> I finally agree with jrwren on something =P
[15:49] <tjagoda> My e-mail is so secure that the UAE wants to outlaw blackberries
[15:49] <jrwren> lol.
[15:49] <tjagoda> SCREW YOUR USER FRIENDLINESS
[15:49] <jrwren> weren't people protesting there recently?
[15:49] <jrwren> err, no... that was saudi arabiea.
[15:49] <tjagoda> Yeah, I think UAE has been placid thus far
[15:49] <jrwren> didn't the saudi gvment get a special BB deal ?
[15:50] <tjagoda> They got banned
[15:50] <tjagoda> but then agreed to the possibility of putting a routing server in saudi arabia
[15:50] <brousch> you know what's even more secure? not using email at all. cheaper, too
[15:51] <tjagoda> You know what's even more secure?
[15:51] <tjagoda> This abacus
[15:51] <tjagoda> =P
[15:51] <brousch> i disagree. an abacus would be easier to see from a satellite compared to a calculator screen
[15:52] <tjagoda> I can put a virus on your calculator
[15:52] <tjagoda> it runs basic
[15:52] <tjagoda> you've probably got a monoculture of TI devices
[15:52] <tjagoda> unless your a freak like snap-l with his HP
[15:52] <tjagoda> =P
[15:52] <brousch> we have special-purpose construction calcs actually
[15:52] <snap-l> tjagoda: You mean my wife's HP
[15:52] <snap-l> which she loves.
[15:53] <brousch> my calculator runs android
[15:55] <snap-l> *sigh*
[15:55] <snap-l> Banshee 2.0 under Lucid won't be able to support tue U1MS
[15:55] <snap-l> and Rhythmbox doesn't have an update for the newer, and more stable U1 foo
[15:55] <tjagoda> What is U1MS?
[15:56] <snap-l> so I either need to stick with 1.8.1, which is a crashy piece of shit
[15:56] <snap-l> Ubuntu 1 Music Store
[15:56] <snap-l> or upgrade to Natty / Maverick
[15:56] <snap-l> God bless Banshee
[15:57] <wolfger> or switch to AmazonMP3
[15:57] <wolfger> :-D
[15:57] <snap-l> wolfger: Fuck off
[15:57]  * wolfger removes snap-l's seatbelts
[16:00] <tjagoda> Seatbelts!
[16:00] <tjagoda> Trolololol
[16:00] <tjagoda> You are all trolls
[16:00] <tjagoda> =P
[16:00] <greg-g> you didn't know? #ubuntu-us-mi will be renamed #michigan-troll-proving-grounds
[16:01] <Milyardo> trollface.jpg !!!!!
[16:01] <krondor> tjagoda: so you've seen the blackberry pwn2own results then right? lol
[16:03] <Milyardo> snap-l: I'm sure there will be a PPA with banshee+U1MS
[16:03] <jrwren> there just isn't yet :(
[16:03] <Milyardo> :(
[16:03] <snap-l> I doubt it
[16:04] <jrwren> so go make one.
[16:04] <snap-l> jrwren: You first. :)
[16:04] <tjagoda> snap-l should come join us in crashahppy natty
[16:04] <tjagoda> crashhappy*
[16:05] <snap-l> I'd like to actually have what I used to have working work again
[16:05] <snap-l> unfortunately, I can't seem to install anything for Banshee that will get the U1 music store working again
[16:05] <snap-l> whatever I have is compiled for 1.6.1
[16:05] <snap-l> (*sigh*)
[16:07] <jrwren> is the U1 add in open source?
[16:07] <krondor> main rig now has natty instead of gentoo :)
[16:08] <wolfger> What's with this * crap in correcting a typo. Doesn't anybody know how to regex anymore?
[16:08] <Milyardo> jrwren: yeah its just a frontend for libubuntuone
[16:08] <wolfger> krondor: boo!
[16:09] <jrwren> I'd go do it, but I don't have a lucid system anymore... i'm all natty
[16:09] <krondor> wolfger I have a short attention span, so we'll see how long it lasts
[16:09] <wolfger> if the don't get my wifi working again, I'm ditching Natty for Oneiric
[16:09] <jrwren> what wifi?
[16:09] <wolfger> realtek
[16:10] <jrwren> i've been only intel for so long, its been great.
[16:10] <wolfger> was busted all to hell, then became functional, now again busted all to hell
[16:10] <tjagoda> I hope my stability comes back when system76 released the 11.04 version of system76-driver
[16:10] <snap-l> I love how LTS is pretty much Long Term Suck-it. ;)
[16:10] <wolfger> LOL
[16:10] <tjagoda> Yeah
[16:10] <wolfger> snap-l++
[16:10] <tjagoda> bad choice for an LTS
[16:10] <tjagoda> reaaaal bad choice
[16:10] <wolfger> even if he was rude to me
[16:10] <tjagoda> to much change
[16:10] <wolfger> ;-)
[16:11] <tjagoda> Is 11.10 supposed to have a focus of quality?
[16:11] <tjagoda> =P
[16:11] <brousch> 12.04 would be the next lts
[16:11] <wolfger> I seriously doubt it
[16:11] <snap-l> Well, seriously, 10.04 is pretty much becoming useless
[16:12] <brousch> because you can't use the fancy new music store?
[16:12] <wolfger> we are at Quality Quail -3 (those of us running Natty)
[16:12] <snap-l> Because stability is no longer supported.
[16:12] <brousch> i think we have different definitions of useful
[16:12] <jcastro> snap-l: the definition of "stable" in an LTS is least amount of change as possible
[16:13] <snap-l> jcastro: Well, I had to upgrade my Ubuntu One to have it stable
[16:13] <jcastro> right
[16:13] <jcastro> :-/
[16:13] <brousch> i have machines i want to sit there for 2, 3, 4 years without mucking around
[16:13] <snap-l> and that change busted rhythmbox's U1 store
[16:13] <tjagoda> Rythmwhat?
[16:13] <jrwren> for servers I've found LTS to be rock solid.
[16:13] <tjagoda> Whats that?
[16:14] <wolfger> File a bug on LP.  It really rather sucks :-p
[16:17] <brousch> flash an old rom?
[16:17] <jcastro> snap-l: oh man, that totally sucks
[16:17] <jcastro> snap-l: does the amazon store work?
[16:17] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, so essentially I'm fucked for purchasing via U1
[16:17] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, it works, but I'd rather use U1, funny enough
[16:17] <jcastro> yeah that is funny
[16:18] <jcastro> I've been waiting for the amazon store
[16:18] <jcastro> either way, a purchase helps ubuntu
[16:18] <tjagoda> Does ubuntu make any $$ of the U1MS?
[16:18] <tjagoda> Ah
[16:18] <tjagoda> Does it make more off one or the other?
[16:18] <snap-l> jcastro: Thing is, I don't have to worry about backing up my purchases with U1
[16:18] <tjagoda> And is Ubuntu still loosing as opposed to making money?  =(
[16:19] <snap-l> It's the most clever way for my music wants
[16:19] <tjagoda> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/04/05/canonical_kills_free_ubuntu_cd_program/
[16:19] <snap-l> tjagoda: Not news.
[16:19] <jrwren> that is so last week.
[16:20] <tjagoda> It is news to I
[16:20] <tjagoda> Sadness
[16:20] <tjagoda> I had fond memories of being young and enraged at how long I had to wait for that disk
[16:20] <tjagoda> because I was on dial-up at home
[16:20] <tjagoda> =P
[16:20] <jcastro> locos are fine
[16:20] <jcastro> we just won't be sending individuals CDs
[16:21] <jcastro> USB keys are the way to go at locos anyway imo, it's so much faster and less annoying than CD installs
[16:21] <tjagoda> True
[16:21] <tjagoda> netbook doesn't even had CDROM anymore
[16:21] <jrwren> ++
[16:22] <jrwren> the other day I had wished I had kept or copied one of those keys from you
[16:22] <jcastro> heh
[16:22] <jrwren> plus 1G keys are basically free these days.
[16:22] <jcastro> I have a PXE installer at home
[16:22] <jrwren> i was at work.
[16:22] <jcastro> IMO it never made sense to do CDs in the USA and Europe
[16:22] <jcastro> should have concentrated on the low income countries
[16:22] <snap-l> ++
[16:23] <snap-l> though folks in the USA and Europe would have bitched
[16:23] <jcastro> I mean, it's nice marketing, but do we really need premade  ISOs at our events?
[16:23] <krondor> wolfger: just move forward to gingerbread
[16:23] <jcastro> when one of us could have just burned them
[16:23] <jrwren> but I guess there is an ubuntu server at work that I could turn into a PXE in no time.
[16:23] <jcastro> jrwren: we're close to finishing cobbler integration
[16:23] <jcastro> next LTS will be awesome in that regard
[16:23] <jrwren> sweet.
[16:23] <jcastro> "cobbler --add whatever-release" or something
[16:24] <jrwren> plus the CDs are out of date pretty quick.
[16:24] <jcastro> yeah
[16:24] <jrwren> i've seen little stacks of old ubuntu lying around lots of places.
[16:24] <jcastro> it can like autoupdate
[16:27] <snap-l> I always love it whenever I mention that I use U1 and U1MS.
[16:28] <snap-l> I feel like the only one who uses this stuff
[16:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: :)
[16:30] <brousch> i feel special with my stack of ancient ubuntu CDs. started with warty
[16:31] <snap-l> (1) Consult Ubuntu Forums for information about portable music players that are supported by Ubuntu.  Why didn't they just say "RTFM"?
[16:39] <snap-l> Consult the Googles
[16:39] <snap-l> lmgtfy.com
[16:39] <greg-g> love that site
[16:57] <gamerchick02> lol @ greg-g
[16:57] <gamerchick02> a specific thread is a good idea.
[16:57] <gamerchick02> oh, and listening to the newest lococast! woo!
[17:03] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: awesome, I think it's a pretty good one myself :)
[17:03] <gamerchick02> yeah
[17:03] <gamerchick02> i'll have to pause it, because we're getting lunch.
[17:04] <snap-l> I'm proud of all of the episodes we've done
[17:04] <gamerchick02> i've been interrupted three times in listening, and missed a bunch. i love lococast
[17:04] <gamerchick02> i've been answering email like a boss this morning.
[17:05] <snap-l> Each one starts off feeling like "what are we going to talk about", and in the end, I feel like we pulled something special out of each one.
[17:05] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Yeah, today is a productivity day for me
[17:05] <snap-l> Had 14 follow-up mails. Now, I have 4
[17:05] <gamerchick02> it's really nice out too
[17:05] <gamerchick02> nice
[17:06] <snap-l> Yeah, I think I'm going to move my base of operations to conference room 2
[17:06] <snap-l> aka: the lving room
[17:07] <gamerchick02> :)
[17:07] <gamerchick02> more comfortable?
[17:07] <snap-l> More light
[17:07] <gamerchick02> ah
[17:07] <gamerchick02> bbiab. lunch
[17:20] <snap-l> http://www.humblebundle.com/
[17:20] <snap-l> IT'S ON
[17:23] <tjagoda> I like the stats there
[17:24] <tjagoda> Average Windows: $4.37
[17:24] <tjagoda> Average Mac: $6.93
[17:24] <tjagoda> Average Linux: $12.24
[17:24] <tjagoda> And they say there's no money in the linux game market ;)
[17:24] <snap-l> I gave 'em $20
[17:24] <rick_h_> you cheap bastarts...oh wait...that big number is us
[17:26] <snap-l> considering I was going to get the two Shadowground games at some point, it's a no-brainer
[17:26] <snap-l> those games are awesome.
[17:26] <rick_h_> snap-l: I'm telling jodee, the groupon of games just sucked you in :P
[17:27] <snap-l> I don't care.
[17:27] <snap-l> She knows my hot-buttons.
[17:27] <tjagoda> snap-l: Does it auto-determine your platform?
[17:28] <tjagoda> Or do you pick during checkout?
[17:28] <snap-l> I didn't choose, so I think it's auto-dtermined
[17:28] <tjagoda> Then I'll wait until I'm home on the Linux machine
[17:42] <wolfger> Linux users pay more for free games because they have lower expectations :-p
[17:43] <ColonelPanic001> wolfger ++
[17:44] <wolfger> The windows guy is like "WTF?
[17:44] <wolfger> or whatever today's hot game is
[17:44] <wolfger> I really need to get Eve running on Ubuntu...  Mail does not support your browser."
 Since the last time I hit the ATK button, the following apps have restarted without my intervention or consent: AT&T Hot Spots, Mustard, Facebook. But there are more, I routinely see 9 or so apps running that I never started
[18:01] <wolfger> tjagoda: I am an EVE addict
[18:02] <tjagoda> Wolfger: I have a battlecruiser
[18:02] <tjagoda> I think
[18:02] <tjagoda> Hard to remember, I've been off the rocks for a few months
[18:02] <wolfger> Well, look me up sometime. (i.e. play again sometime)
[18:03] <krondor> wolfger: those have services to check for notifications.  That's why they show in your running list.
[18:03] <wolfger> I've got it installed under WINE, but it goes to the "accept the EULA" screen which is blank and I can't scroll to the bottom of nothing to accept.... :-p
[18:04] <krondor> wolfger:  do you use a taskkiller?  don't in froyo and up, they're not helpful and make things worse really..
[18:05] <wolfger> krondor: I'm using ATK, but the damne things keep respawning. More have come back during this conversation: Dropbox, Playmaker, Firefox, Mediahub have also spawned
[18:05] <tjagoda> Somebody payed $1024 for the humble bundle
[18:05] <wolfger> There's no excuse for this
[18:05] <rick_h_> that's so awesome I'm speachless
[18:05] <tjagoda> I know
[18:07] <gamerchick02> that is awesome, re paying $1024 for the bundle...
[18:07] <gamerchick02> wow
[18:07] <tjagoda> I hope he was on Linux
[18:07] <tjagoda> he/she
[18:07] <tjagoda> Looks like a twitter name
[18:07] <tjagoda> @ExpiredPopsicle
[18:08] <gamerchick02> lol @ the twitter name.
[18:08] <_stink_> it would be awesome if we had some warning about these, and we (the loco) could pool together for a huge payment, then share the files.
[18:08] <_stink_> i guess that would reduce the # for linux, but give us a potential huge payment.
[18:08] <tjagoda> http://twitter.com/humble
[18:10] <tjagoda> ExpiredPopsicle is a coder/artists
[18:10] <tjagoda> artist
[18:10] <tjagoda> looks like Linux
[18:10] <tjagoda> whoot
[18:10] <jjesse> can someone explain to me why i should be excited google docs now does pagination?
[18:10] <tjagoda> PAGINATION IS FUCKING SWEET
[18:11] <jjesse> cause every other word process program could do it forever?
[18:12] <tjagoda> Yes
[18:12] <tjagoda> Basically
[18:13] <jjesse> so i should b e excited that google docs can do things everyone else can?
[18:13] <brousch> wolfger: what phone do you have? my boss has a htc somethingorother and has the same problem
[18:15] <wolfger> brousch: Samsung Captivate
[18:15] <wolfger> Google shows other people complaining the same since Froyo update
[18:16] <wolfger> and some folks say the solution is to use built-in task manager instead of ATK, but those people are smoking 7 gram rocks
[18:16] <_stink_> i just had to look up 'pagination'.
[18:17] <wolfger> because the built in task manager is trying to tell me I have 0 programs running, despite the fact that I have some programs which I have manually started and left running on purpose :-p
[18:17] <wolfger> I did get into the settings and kill some services, but not every program I'm having issues with had an associated service
[18:17] <rick_h_> crap, they've made django loving a class in college now? http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/go9wc/ask_python_why_are_lesspopular_web_frameworks/
[18:17] <brousch> is 7 grams a big rock or a small rock?
[18:18] <rick_h_> depends on the type of rock :)
[18:18] <rick_h_> diamond == big
[18:18] <brousch> rick_h_: what else is there to love about python?
[18:18] <rick_h_> brousch: clearly I've been missing out
[18:18] <wolfger> brousch: I assume 7g is a big rock, from the way Charlie Sheen portrays it
[18:19] <rick_h_> I promise to reform my ways immediately and throw sqlalchemy, mako, and all to the curb
[18:19] <brousch> rick_h_: well wolfger mentioned smoking it, so i assume it is some kind of edible rock
[18:20] <brousch> rick_h_: django and web2py are what make python awesome
[18:20] <jrwren> they aren't less popular.
[18:20] <jrwren> we do more django than rails here.
[18:20] <rick_h_> jrwren: nothing to do with rails
[18:20] <brousch> jrwren: nice
[18:20] <rick_h_> it's in the python world
[18:20] <jrwren> rails people are busy talking about how awesome they are, python people are quietly shipping sweet software.
[18:20] <rick_h_> django == popular kid vs all the really functional python web frameworks out there
[18:21] <brousch> chicago has a django group
[18:21] <jrwren> oh... isee the question now.
[18:21] <_stink_> wow, rick_h_ got going on django and brousch didn't even have to bait him :P
[18:21] <jrwren> that is a silly question.
[18:21] <brousch> 30 people at the meeting
[18:21] <rick_h_> _stink_: the article was bait
[18:21] <jrwren> flip that question around... why are tehre so many interesting adn experimental python web framekworks?
[18:21] <_stink_> hehe
[18:21] <wolfger> "django" always makes me think "Mr. Bojangles"
[18:21] <jrwren> well DUH! because "We are finding better ways to develop software."
[18:24] <brousch> even though i use mostly django, i'm glad there are these other frameworks. people are still thinking about how to solve problems better
[18:25] <brousch> some of those discoveries eventually make their way into django
[18:26] <brousch> if you hate rails, you probably aren't going to use ruby. if you hate django, you still have a lot of options for using python
[18:33] <snap-l> brousch: ++
[18:34] <wolfger> use perl;
[18:35] <brousch> are there any webapp frameworks in perl?
[18:35] <snap-l> brousch: Yes, there are
[18:35] <snap-l> Mason, iirc
[18:36] <brousch> my impression is that perl's only purpose is to create open source applications that no one else can understand
[18:37] <wolfger> brousch: Catalyst
[18:38] <wolfger> also, apparently, Mojolicious
[18:38] <wolfger> https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/web_frameworks
[18:39] <wolfger> there's lots there
[18:40] <jrwren> what is the perl mvc framework that Randy likes ?
[18:44] <wolfger> I dunno. Randy who?
[18:52] <snap-l> Randall Schwartz
[18:55] <wolfger> CGI::Prototype if Google is to be believed. :-)
[18:55] <jrwren> noes
[18:57] <wolfger> No, Google isn't to be believed?
[18:57] <wolfger> Or no, not Randall Schwartz?
[19:06] <jrwren> yes randal s.
[19:06] <jrwren> but not cgi::prototype
[19:06] <jrwren> I might be thinking of his smalltalk framework he loved, but I swear there was a perl framekwork that he said was similar.
[19:21] <snap-l> I think it's telling that nobody in our little group knows of any that are all that good
[19:22] <wolfger> Yes. It's telling that none of us use Perl for web apps. Or at least, not since the 80's when Mason was the shit.
[19:23] <wolfger> early 90's even
[19:24] <snap-l> I never even used Mason
[19:24] <snap-l> coded it all via CGI.pm
[19:24] <snap-l> That was the shit, and nbody could tell me otherwise. :)
[19:24] <wolfger> yeah, pretty much.
[19:24] <wolfger> Mason was "better", but not worth learning for what I was doing.
[19:27] <snap-l> I never even heard of it until much later.
[19:38] <jrwren> yup.
[19:38] <jrwren> cgi.pm was the bomb.
[19:38] <jrwren> slashcode is still perl.
[19:58] <gamerchick02> has anyone heard of losing their mouse pointer on their second monitor? that happened to me a little bit ago, and that's why i disappeared for a minute.
[20:05] <tjagoda> wtf?
[20:06] <gamerchick02> to me? indeed.
[20:06] <gamerchick02> very strange. not sure what was going on there.
[20:06] <gamerchick02> i logged out and back in and it's fine.
[20:06] <tjagoda> So it just blinked away
[20:06] <tjagoda> Sounds like natty.
[20:06] <tjagoda> =P
[20:07] <gamerchick02> yeah. was very strange
[20:07] <gamerchick02> but if i hovered over something, it'd highlight
[20:07] <gamerchick02> you know how you hover over someone's name in empathy and the hover thing shows? yeah, i was getting that, but no cursor.
[20:09] <_stink_> i've seen X bugs like that before.
[20:09] <_stink_> only the logout-login fixes it for what i remember.
[20:09] <tjagoda> Time for Wayland! ;)
[20:10] <gamerchick02> i've never had that happen before.
[20:10] <gamerchick02> oh well, a first time for everything, right?
[20:11] <greg-g> gamerchick02: now you can feel a part of the club, or something ;)
[20:11] <gamerchick02> or something is right. heh
[20:16] <gamerchick02> ok, just happened again. wtf?
[20:18] <gamerchick02> i'm getting some updates. i'll restart after them and see if my problem goes away.
[20:18] <snap-l> God, I want to lik this band, but whomever records their music needs to take up another career
[20:18] <snap-l> http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/87934
[20:18] <gamerchick02> which band?
[20:19] <snap-l> Usually a band that has a shit studio album has a better live album
[20:19] <snap-l> or vice versa
[20:19] <snap-l> but this band has both
[20:19] <gamerchick02> oi. bad music or badly recorded?
[20:20] <snap-l> badly recorded
[20:20] <gamerchick02> ah
[20:21] <gamerchick02> ok. logging out and back in. stupid loss of mouse pointer.
[20:21] <gamerchick02> bbiab
[20:36] <snap-l> there is no excuse for poorly recorded industrial music. :)
[20:58] <rick_h_> lol, love my company
[20:58] <rick_h_> so 'on the ball'
[21:06] <brousch> they must be. they hired you
[21:11] <rick_h_> "We think video is the future, so we're going to have a team compitition to make the best video with these flip cams"
[21:11] <rick_h_> "winning team gets a flip cam for each person on the team!"
[21:11]  * rick_h_ debates raising hand..."you saw cisco is killing flip right?"
[21:12] <brousch> that's how they got them so cheap
[21:12] <rick_h_> lol
[21:13] <brousch> i assume you'll be posting your nerdcore video on youtube
[21:13] <rick_h_> but of course...with my flip cam...ugh
[21:13] <rick_h_> first the netbook for christmas bonus and now flip cam compitition
[21:14] <brousch> i hate video. it's so slow
[21:14] <brousch> slow to shoot. slow to process. slow to download. slow to watch
[21:14] <rick_h_> irc-cam?
[21:16] <brousch> do that video->ascii thing they were doing at the meeting
[21:25] <snap-l> God, I hate passwords on this one system
[21:25] <snap-l> It requires 6-8 characters, and at least one special character
[21:26] <jjesse> isn't that standard?
[21:26] <snap-l> But apparently the special character that I chose isn't accepted on the login screen
[21:27] <snap-l> FilterType":15,"ValidChars":"_%!$*","id":"FilteredtxtPassword"
[21:28] <snap-l> Seriously, if you're going to require at least one special character, you might want to open up the field just a hair
[21:38] <jrwren> what does meta-a do in irssi?
[21:38] <_stink_> moves to the next channel with unread messages
[21:38] <rick_h_> looks like it goes to the next channel
[21:39] <rick_h_> ooh, even better
[21:39] <jrwren> why have i never used this before?
[21:39] <jrwren> now i just need a "to window you just came from" and I'm happy happy
[21:39] <_stink_> yeah, i can't believe there's nothing that does that.
[21:40] <Blazeix> weechat has that feature. If you type meta+4, it will go to window 4, and if you hit it again it goes back to the original window
[21:49] <ColonelPanic001> Blazeix ++
[21:49] <jrwren> weechat?
[21:49] <jrwren> irssi 4 life
[21:50] <Blazeix> If you can get past the stupid name, it's actually quite a nice client :)
[21:52] <Milyardo> mylife4irssi
[22:07] <snap-l> Is anyone else going to ignite on Thursday?
[22:13] <widox> anyone know where to go for the mug meeting tonight?
[22:13] <snap-l> Sure
[22:13] <snap-l> Engineering Society of Detroit
[22:13] <snap-l> 20700 Civic Center Drive
[22:13] <snap-l> Suite 450
[22:13] <snap-l> Southfield, MI 48076
[22:14] <widox> where at inside?
[22:14] <jrwren> suite 450?
[22:14] <snap-l> yes
[22:14] <widox> oh, heh
[22:14]  * widox can't read
[22:15] <widox> better question, any heads up on finding the room?
[22:15] <jrwren> take elevator to 4th floor.
[22:16] <jrwren> follow sign to 450
[22:16] <snap-l> Yeah, it's pretty straightforward
[22:19] <widox> ok, thanks. wasn't sure what the building was like
[22:20] <Blazeix> watch out for the spike traps
[22:21] <_stink_> it's like Pitfall
[22:27] <snap-l> _stink_: Shhh, you'll give away the ending
[22:28] <_stink_> haha
[22:28] <widox> har