[01:01] <luizfrds> hello folks, i need a CLI application that monitors the heap usage of a PID, if it can generate a graph or something to show me the actual tendency of heap usage over time would be great!
[01:04] <luizfrds> thanks!
[01:06] <sarnold> luizfrds: why heap specifically?
[01:16] <luizfrds> sarnold, right now i'm using pmap to monitor the memory usage of a application that i'm working
[01:16] <luizfrds> and i think i may have a memory leak
[01:17] <Blade-Runner> By default Ubuntu/ElementaryOS configure their GRUB to use very small fonts. That really hurts my eyes. I decided to play with GRUB and increase the font size. The process is rather straight forward: or so this webp says, i can someone walk me thru the instructions?
[01:19] <sarnold> luizfrds: valgrind is pretty good for tracking down memory leaks; there's also a memleak tool on https://github.com/iovisor/bcc#tools that might work for you, too; it didn't work for me jjust now, I don't klnow if it'd be easy or hard to fix..
[01:19] <luizfrds> sarnold, i can see it changing over time, but as it is quite dynamic, i would like to just like to extract the main tendecy
[01:20] <sarnold> Blade-Runner: hah yeah I've got a 4k screen on my laptop, I basically can't read grub at all
[01:20] <luizfrds> sarnold, yeah, the application is quite big, i'm just trying to understand where it is leaking, as it uses external libs too
[01:23] <Blade-Runner> sarnold: yes i hear you
[01:24] <Blade-Runner> its just mostly annoying
[01:25] <Blade-Runner> maybe you would like this : https://vietlq.github.io/2019/09/22/make-grub-font-size-bigger/
[01:26] <Blade-Runner> if it helps let me know
[01:28] <Blade-Runner> i'm such a nOOb i can't figure it out
[01:32] <luizfrds> can i get the memory usage of my application with C?
[01:34] <sarnold> luizfrds: well, there's a lot of different things there.. /proc/pid/maps shows all the OS-level allocations, and /proc/pid/status has some summaries of those in the various fields
[01:35] <sarnold> luizfrds: but an application that does a thousand malloc(1000) calls followed by a thousand free(p) calls will probably not return any memory to the OS even though it doesn't have any memory leaks
[01:35] <sarnold> Blade-Runner: bummer that you have to make your own font though :( I'm surprised there aren't a few more fonts already installed to pick from
[05:28] <edlou> I got my eyes on all of you
[06:13] <matsaman> edlou: lies
[06:50] <maret> Hi I am trying to figure my a temperature on my Ryzen 5900/ I've run sensors-detect and it has found Family 17h thermal sensors , but when I run sensors I am not sure I am sing core tempratures only CPUTIN -> output https://paste.debian.net/1192069/
[07:45] <raj> I have sshed to a remote ubuntu server within vscode's terminal, but I can't edit root files with `sudo code somefile.conf` since I get `sudo: code: command not found` as a response. Any way I can edit the somefile.conf with root permissions?
[07:58] <ThinkT510> raj: if nano is on the remote machine then you can use that
[07:58] <raj> so no way to use vscode then?
[07:59] <furycd001> HI guys.. Anyone here ever used mpd over a local network :? I've an android device that's connected to a bluetooth speaker & has MALP installed. I cannot seem to get MALP to connect to mpd which is running on my main laptop.
[07:59] <furycd001> I've entered in my laptops ip address & mpd port number, but I always get the following error >> "EtrackUriirror: failed to connect"
[07:59] <ThinkT510> raj: by ssh'ing to the remote machine any command you run from the ssh session would be using whatever is on the remote machine
[07:59] <furycd001> Here's my mpd.conf >| https://termbin.com/bsa8m.Anyone able to help :? Thanks....
[07:59] <furycd001> Here's my mpd.conf >| https://termbin.com/bsa8m.
[08:01] <raj> hmm, ok
[08:01] <raj> ThinkT510, can you make any sense of this answer https://stackoverflow.com/a/61826459/997624 ?
[08:04] <ThinkT510> raj: sorry, I don't use vscode and I don't really do a lot with ssh
[08:04] <raj> oh gotcha
[09:59] <maret> Hi I am trying to figure my a temperature on my Ryzen 5900/ I've run sensors-detect and it has found Family 17h thermal sensors , but when I run sensors I am not sure I am sing core tempratures only CPUTIN -> output https://paste.debian.net/1192069/
[10:00] <cbreak> I'm not sure if current ubuntu supports ryzen5xxx well already
[10:02] <cbreak> 21.04 hopefully will
[10:03] <cbreak> I get a ton of errors when booting because of the lack of support :(
[10:03] <cbreak> and in addition to sensors not working on the CPU, edac-util also doesn't work
[10:04] <maret> cbreak: really? there was some update related to Ryzden for 5.11 kernel which I've updated to
[10:04] <maret> and I though that sensors detected finding Family 17th sensor is good sign
[10:05] <cbreak> I'm on the latest ubuntu, and it has kernel 5.8.something
[10:05] <cbreak> which doesn't seem to support it well
[10:05] <cbreak> I also had k10temp found, but the only line it emits is temp1:         +0.0 C  (high = +70.0 C)
[10:06] <cbreak> and I don't think that's realistic
[10:06] <maret> hh
[10:08] <maret> seems like i have to wait for 5.12 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Zen-3-Desktop-CPU-k10temp
[10:10] <cbreak> seems 21.04 will ship with 5.11 :(
[10:11] <cbreak> at least if I parse https://packages.ubuntu.com/hirsute/kernel/ correctly
[10:12] <maret> do you think it's such a risk to upgrade? normally I don't do it , but this will be exception.
[10:13] <cbreak> I'm not that much of a linux pro...
[10:13] <maret> i see, upgrading kernel is simple enough although not sure what are risks
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> maret: ryzen machines often benefit higher kernels, could be good idea to run latest ubuntu releases
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> in some cases users are using !mainline kernels for temporary fixes too
[10:28] <maret> yeah I went with 5.11 for ryzen,  so far no problems
[10:29] <maret> how risky are they these days? there is an older thread about it https://askubuntu.com/questions/162616/should-i-upgrade-to-the-mainline-kernels
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> maret: mainline kernels are not risky, but they arent used for daily use, its for temporary issues/cases
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> maret: we strongly advice to use the kernels/HWE available in your apt cache on your specific ubuntu release
[10:34] <maret> yeah i went with 5.11 because of extra speed boost which it supposed to bring and thinking about 5.12 for temperature measurement, right now I can make it work
[10:34] <maret> i have long running intenstive processes and I want to check what are temperatures
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> maret: come to #ubuntu-discuss plz got a link for you
[10:39] <maret> thats sounds creepy! right there...
[10:48] <JohnnyonFlame> hello. I'm trying to install libopusfile0 for both arm64 and armhf variants, but it seems that multiarch support on them is broken, since it forces me to remove the previously installed package. How do I go about debugging and reporting this issue?
[10:49] <JohnnyonFlame> I'm on XUbuntu 20.04 currently
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> JohnnyonFlame: i see a bug #1883753 is that your case?
[11:00] <JohnnyonFlame> lotuspsychje: precisely
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> affect to the bug if its your case, so this will help accelerating the bug solving
[11:06] <JohnnyonFlame> alrite, done, thanks
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> JohnnyonFlame: the bug has now been auto confirmed, feel also free to make a new comment on your case/story/apt output
[11:47] <noor2> how do i change a file attribute so that it can only be added to that file and not overwritten
[11:50] <tomreyn> noor2: you don't give permissions tochange it to anyone or anything who or which shouldn't have it.
[11:51] <noor2> yh but they need to be able to write to that file but not change anything
[11:52] <noor2> if i use write they can write to it so how do i make it so they cant over write it
[11:54] <tomreyn> only the owner and root can change permissions ona file
[11:55] <tomreyn> so if you grant write permissions through group ownership, you can prevent group members from changing permissions
[11:55] <tomreyn> (...and still enable them to write to the file)
[11:56] <tomreyn> i hope that's actually correct, i'm only 90% sure
[11:59] <noor2> so if i change the permission for both user and group to write would they be able to overwrite the file?
[12:00] <tomreyn> the files' owner will be, the files' group (members) wont be
[12:00] <tomreyn> oh overwrite the file, yes
[12:00] <tomreyn> they will both be able to
[12:01] <tomreyn> the files' owner will be able to change permissions on the file, the files' group (members) wont be
[12:03] <noor2> ok so how do i make it so they cant overwrite it, still new to linux, still figuring stuff out
[12:04] <tomreyn> either you're changing the question, asking different questions, or i'm just failing to follow
[12:05] <tomreyn> only root, and those granted +w permission on a file can overwrite it
[12:06] <tomreyn> the "stat" command may make it easier to understand permissions set on a file than just 'ls -l' initially
[12:07] <alterjsive> where can I read something about the canonical organisition/company? Who runs it? Filisofy etc.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:08] <tomreyn> alterjsive: on canonical.com, i would think. probably also on wikipedia.
[12:08] <alterjsive> tomreyn: I checked the site nothing, will check wikipedia
[12:09] <alterjsive> tomreyn: just checking if canonical is not evil
[12:09] <alterjsive> =)
[12:09] <ace_me1> every man "WHATEVER" should contain at first 1-3 examples of simple usage
[12:10] <alterjsive> probably not :)
[12:12] <alterjsive> I really like what i've seen so far, just double checking.
[12:14] <tomreyn> alterjsive: certainly Canonical is the driving factor behind Ubuntu, but this channel is just about Ubuntu support Q&A. there are several others, such as #ubuntu-discuss
[12:32] <alterjsive> ok thanks
[13:15] <rapid16> When I've edited /etc/hosts do I need to restart the system?
[13:19] <cbreak> no
[13:37] <toffo> waveform: alright, I got the LibreOffice issue solved on 20.10/RPi4B! :) I purged libreoffice*, made sure I had only the ports.ubuntu.com deb sources in use and added the [arch=arm64] in between to be sure, reinstalled and it twerked! Dunno where in the hell the problem originated from, could be residues from 20.04 or something like that
[13:37] <toffo> waveform: now it works. happy easter! :o)
[13:38] <CQ> hello, in a shell if I have redirected stdout to a file, how can I stop the redirection and redirect back to the console?
[13:57] <unixbsd> hello
[13:57] <unixbsd> I have a vmlinuz ready to be started using grub2.
[13:58] <unixbsd> how to loopback (loop) ubuntu with a kernel : 5.8.0-25-generic/ i.e. /boot/vmlinuz-5.8.0-25-generic that is located on the file image (squashfs) ?
[14:00] <fletch8527> Hello all, hoping that I didn't really screw something up. I was upgrading my 18.04lts to 20.04lts and it got to a part that said the nanorc file has modified and if I wanted to keep or replace it. I select the option to see the differences and got to the end of the file but pressed CTRL-X thinking it would return me to the prompt to continue the
[14:00] <fletch8527> upgrade but it seems that it took me out of the upgrade all together `command terminated with single 2` . Im not very experienced with linux (enough to be dangerous it seems). When I press enter I get prompted to resurrect or destroy. When I select R it looks like its starting the upgrade over but says that another package manager is still running.
[14:00] <fletch8527> Is there a way to get back into the upgrade? This is Ubuntu Server (no GUI) and I started the upgrade by running `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`
[14:17] <kur1j> does anyone have an Ubuntu 16.04 box that they can run "curl https://www.pgadmin.org/static/packages_pgadmin_org.pub" and see if that works without a cert error?
[14:18] <kur1j> ive updated all my certs on the system with `sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates` and `sudo update-ca-certificates` but it keeps complaining that the cert is invalid
[14:21] <fletch8527> I resolved my issue
[14:24] <troozers> Am just testing 21.04 Beta on a VM, and first time using ZFS; am getting an "unknown filesystem" error when running update-grub.  Is this a known issue with ZFS and update-grub, or just an "issue to be fixed" associated with the beta?
[14:25] <troozers> Am not encrypting the disks in any way
[14:29] <EriC^^> troozers: can you pastebin the output?
[14:30] <EriC^^> troozers: pastebin 'sudo parted -ls; sudo update-grub'
[14:32] <troozers> EriC^^: https://pastebin.com/hyGxfHbf
[15:01] <[itchyjunk]> This might be a silly question. I am looking for the menus on top for an application like "file" "edit" etc. My greater goal is to find "reader mode on" for "brave" browser. I'm on a ubuntu 18.04. I might just be following the instructions wrong but i wasn't able to find this option anywhere and am wondering if it even exists .
[15:02] <[itchyjunk]> Never mind, it doesn't exist for non windows version according to comments i found on google :|
[15:27] <relipse> How can i catch mail being sent out instead of actually sending it
[15:34] <leftyfb> relipse: I think your question is unrelated to Ubuntu support. You should try maybe #ubuntu-server though. I do question why you want to do this. Most MTA's allow you to do delegation or rules and are pretty well documented.
[15:34] <relipse> i'm on a dev machine and I just want to see the mail being sent
[15:34] <relipse> like how fakesmtp works
[15:40] <dhunt> relipse: would something like https://github.com/gessnerfl/fake-smtp-server cover your needs?
[15:42] <relipse> Tried but getting $ java -jar fake-smtp-server-1.7.1.jar
[15:42] <relipse> Error: Invalid or corrupt jarfile fake-smtp-server-1.7.1.jar
[15:44] <Ravage> then it probably is
[15:45] <leftyfb> relipse: look at logs?
[16:02] <tobiasBora> Hello, I'd like to know, in 20.04 is there a simple way to display battery notification on low battery (xubuntu)
[16:02] <m0ph1ng> Side note - is xubuntu included for discussion here or does it have it's own channel?
[16:03] <m0ph1ng> its*
[16:03] <tobiasBora> Ok, I found something in power management that displays the amount of battery that is left... Let's wait to see if it adds the notificaiton
[16:05] <tobiasBora> also, xubuntu has no volume icon on the systray...
[16:08] <hmw[at]> I have a nasty PC which seems not to like getting installed. I successfully installed an Ubuntu instance before, removed it again, installed Windows 7 and now I want to add Ubuntu, but I can't get past the partition screen. I have little knowledge of UEFI. How can I debug it?
[16:10] <Maik> hmw[at]: doesn't make sense since Windows 7 never used UEFI, besides that Windows 7 is EOL.
[16:10] <tomreyn> tobiasBora: there's a dedicated channel for xubuntu specific things, such as the graphical desktop, if you like: #xubuntu
[16:11] <hmw[at]> I know about W7 of course (it will not be networked). This PC is nasty, I can get it to boot only every so many attempts
[16:11] <tobiasBora> tomreyn: ok thanks
[16:11] <hmw[at]> The BIOS is a little meh
[16:12] <hmw[at]> It could be crashing, when it tries to install GRUB, formatting the ext4 seems to work, but I don't see anything usefiul in the journal
[16:12] <hmw[at]> I ran the installer from the terminal too, no output whatsoever
[17:45] <Accord> hey, I have some bluetooth issues, can anyone suggest any troubleshooting tips please? I've just done a system restart and this is my bluetoothctl output : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7Jppnz5KcF/
[18:01] <techie> hello, for the last three days, there have been issues regarding the turkish ubuntu archive mirrors. apt doesn't work, and i tried pinging "tr.archive.ubuntu.com" but it gives the error "temporary failure in name resolution". also i would like to specify that i can download apt packages via the main server without issues. thank you all for your
[18:01] <techie> time
[18:25] <jpmh> running a new ubuntu 20.4 install - when I do ssh -V it tells me: OpenSSH_8.2p1 Ubuntu-4ubuntu0.2, OpenSSL 1.1.1f  31 Mar 2020 - this is NOT the latest and my system is supposedly up-to-date - what am I missing here
[18:36] <cbreak> jpmh: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/openssh-client
[18:36] <cbreak> 8.2p1-4ubuntu0.2 seems to be what is available to 20.04
[18:37] <leftyfb> !latest | jpmh
[18:38] <jpmh> cbreak: I'm missing something here - if I do a apt install ssh-client it tells me that it has installed a newer openssh-client - but I do not see that anywwhere
[18:39] <jpmh> cbreak: so I do have that version - it is just that I can not enter that name at the command line and if I just do ssh then I get the older one
[18:40] <leftyfb> jpmh: please pastebin the following: apt-cache policy openssh-client openssh-server
[18:41] <cbreak> jpmh: type `which ssh` and compare that with the output of `dpgk -L openssh-client`
[18:41] <cbreak> dpkg
[18:42] <leftyfb> jpmh: the server and client should both be 8.2p1-4ubuntu0.2 on Ubuntu 20.04. No other version is officially supported
[18:42] <leftyfb> jpmh: btw, you can just install "ssh" which will give you both the server and client
[18:42] <leftyfb> and the client is always installed by default anyway
[18:47] <jpmh> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZHj4b2msqX/
[18:48] <leftyfb> jpmh: ok, you have the latest version of openssh-server and openssh-client available to Ubuntu 20.04. What is the issue?
[18:48] <jpmh> leftyfb: the which of course shows /usr/bin/ssh
[18:49] <leftyfb> jpmh: ok, that's fine. Is there still an issue?
[18:49] <jpmh> leftyfb: what I am missing here is why the ssh that is there is NOT the one that apt seems to get
[18:49] <jpmh> leftyfb: yes - the issue is that when I use ssh -V I see one that is a year out of date
[18:49] <leftyfb> jpmh: I don't understand where you are getting that
[18:50] <jpmh> leftyfb: getting what?
[18:50] <leftyfb> jpmh: you're "ssh -V" shows version OpenSSH_8.2p1 right?
[18:51] <leftyfb> well, more specifically: "OpenSSH_8.2p1 Ubuntu-4ubuntu0.2"
[18:51] <jpmh> leftyfb: YES - but the date is a year old - I thought that there were MUCH newer versions
[18:52] <leftyfb> jpmh: not in the Ubuntu 20.04 repos there aren't
[18:52] <leftyfb> jpmh: The date says March 2020. 1 month before Ubuntu 20.04 was released
[18:52] <jpmh> leftyfb: TY so much - I especially appreciate your patience
[18:55] <leftyfb> jpmh: if you are concerned about security patches, those get rolled in as part of the -XubuntuX.X releases
[18:55] <leftyfb> jpmh: you can look at the changelog by running: apt-get changelog ssh
[18:55] <leftyfb> jpmh: you'll notice there was a security update last month
[18:57] <jpmh> leftyfb: that is exactly what I was concerned about _ I remembered a patch from ast month, yet the ssh -V shows a date from last year - what am I missing here?
[19:00] <leftyfb> The date can basically be ignored. That is the date from the Debian package at the time it was imported into the 20.04 repo from Debian. I don’t think it gets updated when Ubuntu updates the package separately
[19:03] <jpmh> leftyfb: again - ty so much - and I really appreciate the patient - that date is what confused me and on our other OS's we do see a newerr date
[19:05] <leftyfb> jpmh: were your other Linux distro’s released in the last year or are they rolling releases?
[19:11] <PeGaSuS> hi guys. so I've updated my Ubuntu instance to 21.04 and while updating, this appeared: https://imgur.com/a/eV4hSF8
[19:13] <PeGaSuS> I've answered "Yes", though. I'm wondering from where the "irc" user comes from though
[19:14] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: looks like it's from the irc daemon
[19:16] <leftyfb> PeGaSuS: Ubuntu 21.04 is not released yet
[19:16] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | PeGaSuS
[19:19] <imrjd> hi folks
[19:20] <imrjd> i want to upgrade libre office to latest version thats 7.1.x branch, i am on ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[19:23] <leftyfb> imrjd: remove libreoffice and run: sudo snap install libreoffice
[19:29] <imrjd> tnx
[19:35] <nuala> for the sake of all the bunnies: i just can't make sense of top/htops memory counting, free is kinda my fallback.
[19:36] <nuala> so: any offhand onliner/htop magic how to group processes, x->y spelled: how to find memory footprint by related processes: e.g. /usr/lib/firefox
[19:36] <nuala> ?
[19:38] <sarnold> nuala: I don't recall seeing anything to do that, no :/ it would be nice to have
[19:41] <nuala> i just experimented with htop: pressing `H` for grouping and then F4 for filter 'firef' and flexing some  mindgames/mental arithmetics…
[19:43] <nuala> (still not sure what MEM% mean, is it really like percentage of total memory available hardware wise 🤔
[19:43] <sarnold> yeah
[19:50] <maret> How worried should I be about ext 4 lazy initialisation ? I formated external USB HDD , 14 TB using mkfs.ext4 -m 0 -T largefile4 and I am worried if its misbehaves when plugged into RP4
[19:51] <kk4ewt> 14TB??
[19:54] <sarnold> maret: skimming the mkfs.ext4 manpage for info on the lazyness, it feels like a fine thing to do -- you'll pay the initiailization price for the table on mount, no big deal there, and the risks to the journal feels like it's only important in the first few minute / hours / days o the filesystem -- when it'd presumably be pretty easy to start over again if necessary
[19:56] <maret> and how it plays out , so I format the disk with lazy and start using it, it is initializing while I am using it? I am asking because right now I copying some stuff to it and I want to plug it into RP4 so I worry it will miss behave there
[19:57] <sarnold> ah, I wouldn't unplug it right away :)
[19:57] <kk4ewt> i would format on the rpi4 myself
[19:58] <maret> sarnold: yeah actually it just happens that it is plugged to original machine for a few days before being moved to RP4
[19:58] <sarnold> I would expect vmstat 1 or iostat 1 to show you the IO traffic, and I wouldn't sync ; umount until there's no more IO traffic to the drive
[19:59] <maret> any other way how to figure out if it was initiliazed? I am asking because now I am copying some stuff so iostat will rightly show me some activity
[20:00] <dTal> I have an odd problem - my keyboard doesn't work in programs under GNOME3
[20:01] <dTal> I can type into the search bar, and the keyboard works perfectly well in a VT, but I can't enter text into Firefox or Terminal
[20:01] <sarnold> hmm, nothing reliable comes to mind; you could probably get perf or bcc tools to report when the kernel internal functions are called, etc, but I don't know offhand what those are, or if there'd be something called in a tight enough loop to be visible
[20:01] <dTal> one thing I notice is that when I hit keys in a terminal, the cursor pauses blinking while I type - as if I'm entering nonprintable characters
[20:02] <dTal> for context, this is on an X1 Tablet Gen 3 2-in-1, booted to the latest Ubuntu liveusb
[20:05] <sarnold> dTal: any chance you can run dmesg or journalctl in there?
[20:05] <dTal> Sure, what should I look for?
[20:05] <dTal> I'm not sure what I'd find that's relevant there, however, since the keyboard obviously works perfectly well at the kernel level
[20:06] <maret> sarnold: ok so if I run iostat -y 1 1 /dev/sda and I dont see anything there only 00 it means that the drive is initliazed?
[20:08] <sarnold> maret: I'd run it for ten seconds or so
[20:08] <sarnold> dTal: I'm not sure either, just hoping something stands out :/
[20:08] <maret> ok thanks
[20:10] <maret> sarnold: just to double check the ext4 is initialising while you are using the disk with lazy on right?
[20:10] <dTal> Also worth noting is the problem is the same when using the onscreen keyboard
[20:12] <sarnold> maret: that's my expectation, yes
[20:14] <amazoniantoad> Scrolling has suddenly stopped with my mouse I'm using ubuntu 20.04
[20:14] <amazoniantoad> Can someone help me fix this?
[20:49] <hwpplayer1> hi people!
[20:52] <Maik> hwpplayer1: hi there, need any assistance with something?
[20:55] <hwpplayer1> Maik We run Ubuntu 18.04 server but I can not get updates
[20:56] <hwpplayer1> I am gonna test 19.04
[20:58] <hwpplayer1> But I can get updates for 20.04 server on Google Cloud Platform
[21:00] <cbreak> hwpplayer1: what do you mean with "no updates"?
[21:00] <cbreak> 18.04 should be LTS, just like 20.04
[21:00] <cbreak> so you're supposed to get updates for years, security wise
[21:02] <hwpplayer1> cbreak okay
[21:03] <cbreak> https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[21:10] <hwpplayer1> cbreak: yep i know
[21:10] <hwpplayer1> This is a playground server
[21:16] <hwpplayer1> cbreak Maik Now it works
 I am gonna test 19.04 --> 19.04 is EOL
[21:21] <hwpplayer1> Now I run 18.04
[21:21] <hwpplayer1> I will full upgrade to 20.04
[21:22] <hwpplayer1> I reboot the vm
[21:33] <phinxy> I've put in bashrc to swap ESC to CAPS but after a couple of hours its reset to caps being caps.
[21:39] <dTal> phinxy: when you say "it's reset" do you mean your bashrc has been reverted?
[21:41] <dTal> The bashrc will only affect newly spawned bash processes. Are you sure you're not using a terminal that you launched before you made that change?
[21:46] <Peng_> What to do if ddebs.ubuntu.com is missing symbols for the latest version of a package? Is there some other, more difficult place to find them? (e.g. somewhere in the build logs on Launchpad)?
[21:46] <Peng_> (specifically irssi)
[21:46] <Peng_> (on focal)
[21:57] <sarnold> hey Peng :) that's the craziest thing, I wonder why that release don't have them
[21:58] <amazoniantoad> Scrolling has suddenly stopped with my mouse I'm using ubuntu 20.04
[21:58] <amazoniantoad> Can someone help me fix this?
[21:59] <dTal> in here? unlikely, looking at the scrollback
[21:59] <sarnold> dTal: lol :)
[22:00] <dTal> my keyboard doesn't even work in the latest liveusb
[22:01] <shailangsa> does anybody know if its possible to automatically install all dependencies of a package when using apt-get, as it keeps showing "Depends: libboost-python1.71-dev but it is not going to be installed" ?
[22:01] <sarnold> shailangsa: pastebin the command you ran and the entire error message and maybe someone can suggest what to do to unbreak your apt
[22:03] <Peng> sarnold: If they thought it would never crash, they were too optimistic. :)
[22:03] <phinxy> dTal: well, the shellscript line is: `setxkbmap -option caps:escape`  and it affects what the key does everywhere, even in Firefox browser the capslock is esc.
[22:03] <shailangsa> https://pastebin.com/3iRW7WG6
[22:04] <dTal> phinxy: bashrc seems like the wrong place for that, you don't want it to run every time you launch a terminal
[22:04] <sarnold> shailangsa: okay, try apt install libboost-python1.71-dev
[22:06] <phinxy> The problem seems to be some daemon resetting the keyboard map
[22:06] <shailangsa> it then gives me "The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[22:06] <shailangsa>  libboost-python1.71-dev : Depends: python3-dev but it is not going to be installed" and it goes on same with the next dependency?
[22:07] <sarnold> shailangsa: yup, keep that up until you get to something that looks like the root of the problem
[22:07] <phinxy> Does the keyboard map have anything to do with the WM?  I'm on Fluxbox
[22:07] <hggdh> shailangsa: did you run 'sudo apt update' before trying to install the packages?
[22:08] <sarnold> phinxy: wait, where did you stuff that setxkbmap command? doublecheck where you put it..
[22:09] <shailangsa> after running "sudo apt update" it's still missing the mentioned dependencies, is it possible to auto install the dependencies?
[22:09] <phinxy> sarnold: I've tried in the top line of .profile, .bashrc and also .xinitrc
[22:09] <phinxy> after the computer boots the keyboard map is correct but after a while due to some reason the mapping is reset
[22:09] <sarnold> phinxy: .xinitrc or .xsession make sense; .bashrc and .profile do not
[22:10] <sarnold> shailangsa: apt does
[22:10] <sarnold> shailangsa: you've done something to wind up in a broken state
[22:10] <sarnold> shailangsa: the trick is to keep digging until you find out what's different about your system
[22:10] <shailangsa> perhaps its related to disabling the auto update feature under options?
[22:12] <sarnold> shailangsa: probably not
[22:12] <sarnold> shailangsa:  dpkg --get-selections | grep hold   might just get you straight to the answer, or it might not help at all. the most reliable way is to keep doing what you were doing until you find the cause.
[22:14] <shailangsa> running "dpkg --get-selections | grep hold" returns nothing
[22:14] <sarnold> dang
[22:14] <sarnold> then keep doing the slow iteration
[22:18] <hwpplayer1> see you later friends
[22:28] <sarnold> Peng: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irssi/1.2.2-1ubuntu1.1/+build/19780424 -- perhaps related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ddeb-retriever/+bug/1921940 if you want a bug to subscribe to :)
[22:28] <sarnold> Peng: (cjwatson to the rescue again :)
[22:30] <Peng> sarnold: \o/
[22:30] <error_one> when booting from grub into a second hard drive, the resolution is 640x480 as it boots up, is there something i can put in the grub for that drive to set another resolution?
[22:34] <tomreyn> error_one: compare the grub configurations, make sure the grub version is the same? whihc ubuntu releases are you using on these HDDs?
[22:34] <error_one> the first is 16, the one I'm having problems with is 20
[22:34] <tomreyn> if you can't solve it that way, there is https://vietlq.github.io/2019/09/22/make-grub-font-size-bigger/
[22:35] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | error_one
[22:35] <tomreyn> !16.04
[22:35] <tomreyn> ^ time to upgrade
[22:36] <tomreyn> (I'm guessing you were referring to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and 20.04 LTS)
[22:36] <error_one> yes
[22:38] <tomreyn> you can also just install the newer grub on both disks, or always boot off the same disk, configuring both systems on one installation.
[22:40] <dTal> Whoa, grub has a touchscreen keyboard!
[22:40] <dTal> It looks like ass, but I'm shocked it has one at all
[22:40] <sarnold> wow
[22:40] <dTal> that's amazing
[22:41] <dTal> rendered using console characters, that's hilarious
[22:41] <sarnold> lol


[00:23] <Guest82800> olá
[02:50] <questions_> hey
[02:51] <questions_> you dont need to use vim, right? You can just use your own ide and youll be just as good?
[02:51] <questions_> wrong channel
[02:52] <valorie> heh
[02:52]  * valorie uses kate
 *darin uses hexedit an anything else is way too productive :) *
[03:33] <valorie> lol
[03:33] <valorie> HEXEDIT ++++
 (Photo, 964x643) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/wkxDWImR/file_15311.jpg This little guy is landing one my partitions...
[03:44] <valorie> that's an ermine?
[03:44] <valorie> cuuuuuuuuuute!
[03:45] <valorie> I'm not running eoan yet
 yes, I love how Ubuntu also introduces me to animals I have never heard or seen.
[03:45] <valorie> me too
[03:45] <valorie> cuttlefish are pretty darn interesting
 Yes, very intelligent sea creatures.
 wow, eoan installed quickly... and preserved the NVidia driver install. Impressive!
 woahh as in "WOW".... middle click is working no Wayland! I never saw that in any of the release notes.  WayKool! The latest releases of KDE have been very exciting!
 Celebrated too early.... not working konsole, but working in other apps.
 Further clarification, works only chrome and FF so far....
[04:22] <valorie> that's odd....
[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
 @DarinMiller, Living on the edge. If I remember correctly, Ubuntu is going to have an easier way to manage PPAs in the future
[08:15] <MuddyPuddle> how could it be easier? ubuntu user repository inspired by arch, i guess.
[10:47] <BluesKaj> Hi Folks
 MuddyPuddle: I meant a better official GUI for PPAs
[14:47] <esa1975> Has anyone noticed that on 19.04 seemingly any flatpaks requiring org.kde.Platform take several minutes to launch? Examples include Telegram Desktop and kdnelive. If I launch from the terminal with something like `flatpak run -v org.telegram.desktop' it gets to running bwrap and just sits for 1-3 minutes.
[14:47] <esa1975> However things like GIMP launch normally
[15:40] <esa1975> I've tested it on other 19.04 releases (vanilla Ubuntu, Xubuntu, MATE) and they don't exhibit this behavior.


[06:56] <knightwise> elleuw !
[06:57] <map> yello
[06:57] <knightwise> hey map , howzyou
[06:57] <map> good tarr..yursekf?
[06:58] <map> just watching cuckoo..not a huge fan of it but may aswell watch them all now i started
[06:58] <knightwise> cockuu ?
[06:58] <knightwise> aha
[06:58] <knightwise> we are currently bingewatching Falling Skies on Plex
[06:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:00] <map> ah cool..never seen falling skies
[07:00] <map> yea series1 had  andy sandberg
[07:00] <knightwise> not bad actually
[07:00] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[07:01] <map> its a bit lame but uk series only like 6 eps so after i watched 3 figured id carry on
[07:01] <map> hey MooDoo
[07:01] <knightwise> im picking up my synology nas tomorrow
[07:01] <knightwise> looking forward to forking out the storage on a seperate machine instead of having usb 3.0 disks hooked up to the home server
[07:09] <knightwise> chrome 64 bit appears to be quite stable as far as I can see
[07:11] <MooDoo> knightwise: which one you gone for I'm looking at a 4 bay
[07:11] <knightwise> a simple one DS214
[07:11] <knightwise> 3 terrabytes is enough for us
[07:11] <knightwise> the important documents also get stored offsite
[07:19] <MooDoo> daubers: happy birthday mate
[07:30] <knightwise> hmmm.. waiting for the amazon mailman today :)
[07:32] <SuperMatt> are they doing final mile yet?
[07:33] <popey> morning
[07:53] <map> need to decide on a 17inch laptop son
[07:54] <popey> ok dad
[07:56] <SuperMatt> I had a 17" samsung which was awesome until it pretty much melted its insides
[07:56] <mapps> i meant soon
[07:56] <mapps> :(
[07:56] <SuperMatt> like a week after the guarantee
[07:56] <mapps> i was happy with samsung until my rv520 decided to fall apart..left toiuchpad button broken and a key fell off
[07:56] <mapps> and then the power jack broke
[07:56] <mapps> :(
[07:57] <mapps> i was considering getting http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-Satellite-C70D-B-10U-17-3-inch-Notebook/dp/B00LFL8IGQ/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1409766455&sr=1-3
[07:57] <mapps> its mainly to watch tv/films while away
[07:57] <mapps> will be taking my netbook and other laptop too:)
[07:58] <popey> i loved my old dell xps gen 2
[07:59] <popey> till it died and dell refused to fix it
[08:00] <mapps> :(
[08:25] <foobarry> there was a bad era when nvidia used bad thermal paste or something
[08:25] <foobarry> all laptops from that era were short lived, and many laptops were wrongly not included in the repair list
[08:25] <foobarry> was a travesty
[08:26] <MooDoo> my boss is really struggling with his nvidia, just can't get it working properly with gnome3, it's one of these optimus ones
[08:30] <foobarry> does it have a switch auto/speed/other ?
[08:31] <foobarry> i used a sony vaio for a while that used the nvidia card on the performance switch and intel on the other
[08:36] <foobarry> how can get-iplayer get programme b04grp09 ?
[08:37] <Guest54866> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bring Your Manners To Work Day! :-D
[08:38] <MooDoo> hello James, good day to you sir
[08:38] <foobarry> get_iplayer --nopurge --get 473 works, but i can't remember the iplayer pid version
[08:40] <Myrtti> get-iplayer --pvr ♥
[08:45] <popey> foobarry: yes, it was that time but dell refused to replace mine
[08:45] <popey> foobarry: and when i said to the guy i wasn't satisfied with his service he argued with me
[08:45] <popey> then put me through to his manager who continued to argue with me
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:53] <foobarry> my non techy friend had an HP that was clearly suffering from this problem and exhibiting weird video behaviour. hp refused to do anything, so he bought another HP!!!
[08:53] <foobarry> sucker
[09:02] <foobarry> amazon doesn't seem to have noticed the new moto phones
[09:03] <brobostigon> you mean the updated moto g ?
[09:03] <foobarry> yeah
[09:03] <brobostigon> i have the moto g 4d/lte with cm11 on it.
[09:04] <brobostigon> 4g*
[09:04] <foobarry> i held off on that because of the problems
[09:04] <brobostigon> which problems? i have havent had any serious problems yet,
[09:04] <foobarry> bunch of sd cards don't work
[09:05] <foobarry> been all over the forums. sounds like you were lucky
[09:05] <brobostigon> i see.
[09:05] <brobostigon> yes.
[09:05] <foobarry> thats the one i wanted, since the 5 inch screen doesn't appeal to me
[09:05] <brobostigon> ah.
[09:06] <Myrtti> ooh, Moto 360
[09:06] <foobarry> but i fear it will be an unloved step cchild
[09:06]  * brobostigon hugs his pebble.
[09:23] <foobarry> chromcast back up to £30 on amazons
[09:33] <foobarry> brobostigon: does the new moto G not have LTE?
[09:33] <brobostigon> no idea, havent looked at the specs.
[09:34] <foobarry> no mention of it
[09:34] <foobarry> that would suck
[09:34] <foobarry> might as well get the original model
[09:35] <Myrtti> no it doesn't
[09:36] <foobarry> suck^2
[10:09] <MooDoo> it's all gone quiet
[10:10] <foobarry> who uses o365?
[10:10] <foobarry> i just discovered the most hideous thing
[10:11] <MooDoo> foobarry: not now, cancelled it last week
[10:11] <foobarry> my username on the web interface is foobarbaz1234 but the user is actually foobarbaz123456789 which is need to use for IMAP
[10:11] <foobarry> why WHY WHY
[10:11] <foobarry> they truncated the username on the web
[11:07] <foobarry> gonna queue up overnight for this http://damn.com/p/leave-it-to-ikea-to-show-us-how-stupid-apple-is
[11:09] <penguin42> foobarry: Ikea are one of the few companies who manage produce ads to the same quality as Apple
[11:38] <MooDoo> i saw the advert this morning, it made me chuckle
[12:13] <MooDoo> any one else having issues logging into wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:13] <MooDoo> ?
[12:17] <MooDoo> I'm in now, was just taking an age
[12:32] <penguin42> MooDoo: Yeh it's taking ages from the 'Personal Data Request' of ubuntu1
[12:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:33] <MooDoo> penguin42: i got in, just wanted to edit my wiki page
[12:34] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[12:39] <penguin42> MooDoo: Yeh so did mine eventually
[12:41] <MooDoo> darn i have two wiki pages, no wonder i was getting confused
[13:06] <mapps> hm
[15:25] <daftykins> hey all
[15:25] <daftykins> been away for a few days, on Thursday evening i had a bike cycling accident down one of Guernsey's very large hills
[15:26] <daftykins> i ended up in intensive care at the local hospital for a few days, having broken 3 ribs and my scapula (shoulder blade)
[15:26] <Myrtti> OUCH
[15:26] <daftykins> i was discharged at last Tuesday afternoon and have had the kindness of friends help me out until now :)
[15:27] <daftykins> unfortunately my right arm is practically useless so typing is a pain, even if my keyboard didn't drop keys all the time
[15:27] <popey> youch!
[15:28] <daftykins> i'm also prone to some bad mood swings at the moment so i'm going to be avoiding my usual help giving in #ubuntu - for the sake of politeness
[15:28] <popey> i had a co-worker friend who fell off his bike. had bad amnesia.. forgot the previous two weeks of his life.
[15:28] <daftykins> (due to the head injury)
[15:28] <popey> thats normal for you surely ? ☻
[15:29] <daftykins> lol, well i was going to say, yeah
[15:29] <daftykins> wow! yeah i had 30 mins of amnesia so i don't even know what happened
[15:29] <penguin42> daftykins: Well, good to still you're in one..erm 4 or 5.. piece
[15:29] <daftykins> quite glad to have not known the pain of the event to be honest
[15:29] <penguin42>  ^ see you're still in ...
[15:30] <daftykins> i have a huge hole in my head with 5 stitches, hugely swollen up at the moment
[15:30] <penguin42> ouch
[15:30] <penguin42> daftykins: Try to remember not to do that again
[15:30] <daftykins> i punctured my lung slightly too, but it was pretty minor
[15:30] <daftykins> lol yeah, it's really bugging me that i don't know what happened though
[15:31] <penguin42> I think that's why people have the cameras
[15:31] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbnEZ9kLP5E
[15:32] <daftykins> if you're interested, and the only way i found this out was by going to the police station to ask, the accident happened on the corner with the chevrons at 0:42
[15:32] <daftykins> at least, the policeman sent me a pic at that corner with my bike propped up against the hedge
[15:32] <daftykins> he wouldn't let me have any of the ones with my blood in :(
[15:32] <daftykins> he was concerned i'd post them to facebook or some such ¬_¬
[15:33] <penguin42> and that's why you wanted them....
[15:35] <daftykins> no sir
[15:35] <daftykins> can't stand that tripe
[15:35] <daftykins> i just want to understand what happened to me
[15:36] <penguin42> daftykins: Well, good to see you're mostly OK
[15:36] <daftykins> :) ty sir
[16:21] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8M-LE3YNHk
[16:22] <daftykins> there's a vid of the motorsport they do on the hill i had my accident on
[17:36] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/acojtg3y1i66d67/AACI7b4Lg9CakBRWjCmCGNasa?dl=0
[17:36] <daftykins> my bike after the accident
[17:53] <penguin42> bikes never seemed a good idea to me
[18:49] <shauno> I saw a little nissan micra wiped out today.  I was half impressed they managed to get it through a wall.  but I'm not sure where the other half was
[18:50] <foobarry> on a different tangent http://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2014/aug/07/five-worst-book-covers-ever
[18:50] <foobarry> "Orwell’s bleak vision of the future looks kind of sexy on this misleading cover of 1984"
[19:03] <gebbione> hi i have some weird behaviour in gnome latest 14 release, cannot expand folders (there is no expand icon) and cannot resize columns while browsing folder
[19:03] <gebbione> any suggestions
[19:16] <gebbione> hi i have some weird behaviour in gnome latest 14 release, cannot expand folders (there is no expand icon) and cannot resize columns while browsing folder
[19:16] <gebbione> any suggestions


[09:51] <scotty^> test
[09:57] <scotty^> Well I missed todays Ubuntu gaming meeting.  Can anyone inform me on the major topics/points of discussion.
[09:58] <scotty^> ?
[10:00] <scotty^> hmm
[10:02] <scotty^> anyone alive?
[10:05] <joaopinto> scotty^, no
[10:19] <scotty^> quit
[17:51] <TeslaUkraine> meep
[19:32] <tesla> so... is it Ubuntu Gaming Team Meeting time?


[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: libagg, because it's needed by people developing kde 4
[01:25] <Drakeson> do we have rubygems in repos?
[01:29] <Lathiat> no
[01:29] <Lathiat> its on the todo list
[01:30] <Riddell> Drakeson: sounds like a good change to learn deb packaging
[01:32] <abattoir> Riddell: Did you by any chance reply to my message? was away an then dropped my computer ;)
[01:35] <Riddell> abattoir: sounds good
[01:36] <Riddell> abattoir: if you have time it would be really useful to have a wiki page that describes a walkthrough of the current OEM installer with a few screenshots
[01:36] <abattoir> Riddell: the Ubuntu one right?
[01:37] <abattoir> ok
[01:37] <Riddell> yes
[01:37] <Riddell> just if you have time :)
[01:38] <abattoir> have exams, but there is always time :)
[01:38] <abattoir>  will do, thank you.
[01:38] <Lathiat> Riddell: probably not the simplest of packages to try for the first time
[01:53] <Drakeson> Riddell: oh! I have always known I am doomed to learn it :)
[01:55] <Drakeson> I dare not to ask it in #debian though
[01:55] <Riddell> Drakeson: here or #ubuntu-motu for help
[01:56] <Riddell> we have a fairly good wiki page to get you started, and there's the new packaging guide too
[02:01] <crimsun> Drakeson: go to doc.ubuntu.com, and follow the packaging guide link in the lower right
[02:06] <Drakeson> thanks :)
[02:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: another default settings challenge for you, openoffice draw appears in both Office and Graphics in the k-menu
[02:58] <pradeepto> Riddell: ahoy!
[02:59] <pradeepto> Riddell: a *fair* bit of debian packaging knowledge, is that enough to contribute?
[02:59] <pradeepto> Riddell: or you need to be a GURU!!
[02:59] <Riddell> no need to be a guru
[03:00] <Riddell> there's always something that can be fixed
[03:00] <pradeepto> hmmm nice.
[03:00] <pradeepto> Riddell: so can somebody work on a package on his own box ? Or do we need to ssh to some box? Or chroot?
[03:01] <pradeepto> Riddell: and how does somebody submit the work done? As in the new package?
[03:01] <Riddell> make it on your own box, upload to revu and poke someone with upload rights to review and upload
[03:02] <pradeepto> Riddell: what is revu?
[03:03] <Riddell> a place to upload packages for review
[03:03] <Riddell> http://revu.tauware.de/
[03:04] <pradeepto> ahh thanks
[03:05] <pradeepto> Riddell: how do I find out what packaged need to be packaged? Do you/somebody assign them ?
[03:05] <pradeepto> *packages
[03:06] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[03:06] <Riddell> always check that packages don't exist already in revu, ubuntu, debian or elsewhere
[03:07] <pradeepto> ah that ways
[03:07] <pradeepto> thanks man
[03:24] <freeflying> Riddell: around?
[03:24] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[03:25] <freeflying> Riddell: need we provide a extra cd for kubuntu?
[03:26] <Riddell> not really feasable, firstly I don't know how to do it and secondly whatever software we put on there we'd end up with people saying we missed stuff off and then we'd end up with 10 CDs
[03:28] <freeflying> heh, that;s true,how about provide those language support package?
[03:29] <Riddell> I'll put them on the CDs once I know how much free space we have, which is when the windows software gets done
[05:19] <mdz> Riddell: knetworkmanager and wlassistant promoted
[05:20] <Riddell> mdz: excellent, thanks
[05:22] <Hobbsee> anyone want to do my chem lab for me?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:24] <mdz> Hobbsee: want to trade todo lists?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mdz: hmmm...could be fun
[05:25] <Hobbsee> you'd have to do the phys prac that i walked out of yesterday as well...
[07:11] <pygi> mornin;
[10:26] <Hobbsee> !backup
[10:26] <Hobbsee> oops
[10:33] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[10:34] <Hobbsee> hey raphink
[10:36] <Hobbsee> ooh fun...what's LPI?
[10:36] <pygi> certificate
[10:36] <pygi> It was at least last time I checked :P
[10:39] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[10:40] <raphink> yeah but I'm not prepared
[10:40] <raphink> lol
[10:40] <raphink> and I'm having it in 15 minutes
[10:41] <pygi> :-P
[10:41] <pygi> raphink: no worries...it's preety easy :)
[10:41] <raphink> ok :)
[10:43] <pygi> raphink: and good luck :)
[10:44] <raphink> thanks
[10:44] <raphink> I'm going :)
[10:44] <raphink> ++
[11:43] <Hobbsee_away> Riddell: do you know why this occurs?  this is with your kde 3.5.2 packages for breezy.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13383
[01:17] <Tonio_> hehe, work day already over ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> hi all
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[01:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ;)
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ? I have infos concerning the workarround for OOo draw desktop file
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only problem is that this requires providing the modified icon in k-d-s
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: or we can patch the one in the OOo package, but that will impact ubuntu
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: you choose the best
[01:52] <Tonio_> Categories=Application;Office;Graphics;X-Red-Hat-Base;X-SuSE-Core-Office;
[01:52] <Tonio_> here is the problem....
[01:53] <Tonio_> should remove redhat and suse stuff and choose between office and graphics
[02:02] <Riddell> it should be possible to edit the kde menu file to put it in the right place
[02:24] <allee> Tonio_: hi, raphink tells me you ponder if you should bring a TFT ( + computer) to linuxtag on saturday, right?
[02:25] <allee> Tonio_: If it's not too much trouble for you it would be nice.  On saturday we expect much more people.
[02:27] <Tonio_> allee: I can yes, no pb
[02:27] <allee> Tonio_: if you do, please have everything preconfigured already (including german langpack) it's not that easy to find time to set everything up.
[02:27] <Tonio_> allee: no problem, except I have a french keyboard
[02:27] <Tonio_> that could be an issue
[02:27] <allee> Tonio_: a monitor alone (if bigger than 14''!) is also okay
[02:27] <Tonio_> the computer is little (shuttle) so I can bring it
[02:28] <Tonio_> monitor is 17" tft
[02:28] <allee> Tonio_: well, when yuu or raphink demo it french kb is no problem ;)
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee: if you have keyboard + mouse, I can bring computer + screen
[02:28] <Tonio_> allee: okay, then I'll come with the full computer
[02:29] <allee> Tonio_: an usb keyboard is here, but in this case only a TFT is fine, because otherwise the other computer has not keyboard ;)
[02:29] <Tonio_> allee: I'll come with the full pack
[02:29] <allee> Tonio_: that's great!
[02:31] <Tonio_> allee: except sound pack, to heavy to be taken by train ;)
[02:40] <Tonio_> allee: I'm configuring a guest profile with german by default :)
[02:42] <Tonio_> allee: is there cabled network access ? I don't have wifi key or card for that machine
[03:19] <MrFaber> hi all
[03:19] <MrFaber> hi Tonio_, are you the maintainer of the knetworkmanager?
[03:21] <Tonio_> MrFaber: yes
[03:21] <MrFaber> Tonio_: I have problems with it. Have you some spare time or should I post it in launchpad?
[03:21] <Tonio_> depends on the issue, what happens ?
[03:22] <MrFaber> Just for description it only shows me "NetworkManager is not running" and Help and Quit, nothing more
[03:22] <MrFaber> I couldn't do anything with it
[03:22] <Tonio_> MrFaber: you are the second personn reporting this...
[03:23] <Tonio_> first personn had to reboot to get it work
[03:23] <Tonio_> MrFaber: I suspect it is a bug with network-manager not launching properly at first boot
[03:23] <Tonio_> MrFaber: did you try to reboot ?
[03:23] <MrFaber> I had several reboots since install
[03:23] <MrFaber> And I had the same problem with last version
[03:23] <Tonio_> MrFaber: did you try to purge packages and retry ?
[03:24] <MrFaber> Purge which packets?
[03:24] <Tonio_> maybe you miss a dep
[03:24] <Tonio_> sudo apt-get remove network-manager knetwork-manager
[03:24] <Tonio_> sudo apt-get autoclean
[03:24] <Tonio_> then remove all knetworkmanager entries in the kwallet if any
[03:24] <MrFaber> without --purge?
[03:24] <MrFaber> I have no one
[03:24] <Tonio_> MrFaber: can do with purge too
[03:25] <MrFaber> knetworkmanager never works for me
[03:25] <Tonio_> MrFaber: okay, that the oportunity to guest what happens ;)
[03:25] <Tonio_> so purge everything
[03:25] <Tonio_> then reinstall knetworkmanager
[03:25] <Tonio_> check if it install network-manager as a dep, reboot and let me know
[03:25] <Tonio_> we could resolve the issue on the other machine like that
[03:26] <MrFaber> Recommended packages:
[03:26] <MrFaber>   network-manager-gnome network-manager-kde
[03:26] <MrFaber> Maybe the recommend packages are needed?
[03:26] <Tonio_> nope
[03:26] <Lure> MrFaber: they are not
[03:26] <MrFaber> Ok, it installs network-manager again
[03:26] <Tonio_> network-manager-kde is the same than knetworkmanager
[03:26] <MrFaber> ok, I reboot
[03:26] <MrFaber> bbl
[03:26] <Tonio_> purge knetworkmanager too
[03:27] <MrFaber> I remove both with purge
[03:27] <MrFaber> sudo apt-get --purge remove network-manager knetworkmanager
[03:27] <MrFaber> I have auto-cleaned and reinstalled it
[03:27] <MrFaber> ok, rebooting
[03:31] <MrFaber> Tonio_: still doesn't work
[03:31] <MrFaber> Tonio_: \sh wanted a log of strace with knetwormanager
[03:32] <MrFaber> But I have to go offline and he wasn't online after that at least I haven't see him
[03:32] <MrFaber> A file wasn't loaded or something like that
[03:32] <Tonio_> MrFaber: can you tell me what happens with ps aux | grep manager | grep network
[03:33] <MrFaber> user      5349  0.5  0.8  28844 12988 pts/2    S    15:30   0:00 knetworkmanager
[03:33] <Tonio_> no session id ?
[03:33] <MrFaber> this is the only output
[03:33] <MrFaber> Session ID?
[03:33] <Tonio_> tonio     5219  0.0  1.3  30904 13976 ?        S    13:16   0:00 knetworkmanager [kdeinit]  -session 10d9e9d775000114640649800000053220020_1146726767_981566
[03:33] <Tonio_> I'm getting this
[03:34] <MrFaber> Tonio_: I have started knetworkmanager with console
[03:34] <Tonio_> MrFaber: ok
[03:35] <Tonio_> ps aux | grep Network
[03:35] <Tonio_> what does this give you ?
[03:35] <Tonio_> I really suspect a network-manager issue more than a knm one
[03:35] <MrFaber> root      4381  0.0  0.0   2812  1068 ?        Ss   15:29   0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManagerDispatcher --pid-file=/var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManagerDispatcher.pid
[03:35] <MrFaber> user      5392  1.0  0.0   2884   812 pts/2    R+   15:35   0:00 grep Network
[03:36] <Tonio_> root      4227  0.0  0.1  12124  1972 ?        Ssl  13:15   0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --pid-file=/var/run/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.pid
[03:36] <Tonio_> nothing like this ?
[03:36] <MrFaber> no
[03:36] <MrFaber> nothing like this
[03:36] <Tonio_> I have dispatcher, but you miss one of the components
[03:36] <Tonio_> that's it
[03:36] <Tonio_> NetworkManager fails on your computer
[03:36] <MrFaber> How to start or fix it?
[03:36] <Tonio_> MrFaber: no idea
[03:36] <MrFaber> Ok, then sorry :)
[03:36] <Tonio_> you can try to launch it manually
[03:36] <Tonio_> but that's your error
[03:37] <MrFaber> How to start it manually?
[03:37] <Tonio_> NetworkManager
[03:37] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:37] <MrFaber> ok, case sensitive :)
[03:37] <Tonio_> with sudo of course
[03:37] <Tonio_> yup
[03:37] <Tonio_> you should create a launchpad bug containing those infos and the result of ps aux | grep Network
[03:38] <Tonio_> but concerning network-manager more than knm ;)
[03:38] <MrFaber> ok, I am going to try it
[03:38] <MrFaber> of course
[03:38] <MrFaber> :)
[03:38] <Tonio_> MrFaber: great ;)
[03:38] <Tonio_> I will try to investigate what happens, but the only thing I'm sure is that it is relative to the backend and not the frontend
[03:39] <MrFaber> http://pastebin.ca/53528
[03:40] <MrFaber> eth0 is wired and eth1 wireless
[03:41] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Or is the Dapper 21 Kernel needed? I am useing the Dapper 20 Kernel
[03:43] <Tonio_> MrFaber: not sure........ I can't test here, I don't have my laptop to compare.......
[03:43] <Tonio_> MrFaber: all be know is that this is a nm bug
[03:43] <MrFaber> Ok, thanks for help, I trying to post it in launchpad unter NetworkManger
[03:43] <Tonio_> MrFaber: yes post on launchpad, I will browse the net to find out something talking about this
[03:43] <MrFaber> thx :)
[03:43] <MrFaber> cu
[03:44] <Tonio_> ceya :)
[04:55] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ping
[04:59] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hi
[05:00] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: hi
[05:01] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: what about some package translations via rosetta (the crystal-windeco, gtk-qt-engine and keep are noch translatable)
[05:03] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: would be nice to have that translatable, too.
[05:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[05:21] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I'm actually planning  look at those later today
[05:21] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: thanks for the list :)
[05:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[05:21] <Tonio_> hey Riddell
[05:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay to provide a modified version of ooo draw in k-d-s ?
[05:21] <OculusAquilae> (ok, but I really don't know if it's complete)
[05:22] <Tonio_> it appears the file merging doesn't work for desktop files, so we have to provide a complete version
[05:22] <Tonio_> I'm not fine with this
[05:22] <Tonio_> but that's the only way to do, unless we redefine the fill kmenueditrc file, which is dirty too
[05:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: better would be to patch ooo directly, but I don't know if that will impact ubuntu too
[05:23] <jjesse> hmm anyone having problems browsing smb shares recently?
[05:23] <jjesse> updated this morning and cannot browse
[05:23] <Tonio_> jjesse: didn't recently....
[05:24] <jjesse> hmmm ok, will have to try and figure it out
[05:24] <Tonio_> jjesse: tried with smb4k ?
[05:24] <jjesse> trying through konqi
[05:24] <Tonio_> could be usefull to test if the issue is a kde one or an smb ;)
[05:24] <jjesse> smb://sharename
[05:25] <Tonio_> jjesse: you should try smb4k
[05:25] <jjesse> ok
[05:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's not very nice
[05:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: can't it be done by editing /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu ?
[05:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can try to place an exclusion here
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is on the Categories line of the desktop file, where there are both Office and Graphics sections
[05:32] <OculusAquilae> is there a reason for the shortcuts in konversation vor switching between the tabs ist alt+left/right instead of strg+./,?
[05:32] <Tonio_> I need first to look at gnome to know where it appears
[05:33] <OculusAquilae> i thought strg+,/. is kde standard
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell:  /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu works with categories
[05:37] <Tonio_> OculusAquilae: none applications have the same shortcut, so sabdfl asked for a standard
[05:38] <Tonio_> OculusAquilae: ctrl + page up/down was choosen
[05:38] <Tonio_> concerning the others I kept the original setting
[05:38] <OculusAquilae> ?
[05:39] <OculusAquilae> ah ok
[05:39] <OculusAquilae> but konqueror and konversation both supported strg+./, to switch
[05:40] <OculusAquilae> before this change
[05:42] <Lure> Riddell: is Flight 7 Live candidate already here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060504/dapper-live-i386.iso
[05:43] <Riddell> Lure: yes, please test
[05:44] <Riddell> install candidates are there too, but I'm onto them already
[05:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/698176
[05:44] <Lure> downloading now...
[05:44] <Riddell> I'm a genius
[05:44] <jjesse> why today are you a genius?
[05:45] <Riddell> because I just managed to get the xdg menu thingy to do what I wanted it to do
[05:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: you know what ? I was just making the diff ;)
[05:45] <jjesse> well then congrats :)
[05:45] <Riddell> and Tonio_ is a genius too :)
[05:45] <Tonio_> but yes, you're (at the moment) faster than me, by far ;)
[05:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: gimme 10 years, and we'll challenge equaly ;)
[05:46] <Tonio_> that filename possibility is very interesting, I'll remember this ;)
[05:48] <jjesse> Tonio_: smb4k hangs when it is trying to enumerate the shares
[05:48] <Tonio_> jjesse: hum....... unfair...
[05:48] <Tonio_> jjesse: I'm just sorry not to be able to confirm the issue....
[05:49] <jjesse> Tonio_: are you using knetworkmanager as well (would that have any effect on it?)
[05:49] <Tonio_> jjesse: I do
[05:49] <Tonio_> on my laptop at least 2 weeks ago, both knm and sbm were working nicelly
[05:50] <Tonio_> but since I gave my laptop to my girlfriend, I cannot test....
[05:50] <jjesse> hmmm
[05:50] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[05:50] <Lure> jjesse: smb:// works for me with knm, but what is smb4k?
[05:50] <Riddell> jjesse: bah, knetworkmanager and wlassistant aren't on the CDs, I didn't update the kubuntu-meta package in time
[05:50] <Riddell> hi bddebian
[05:50] <jjesse> Lure: i can't browse smb shares from konqi
[05:50] <Riddell> everyone: we have to show to bddebian that we're more responsive than #xubuntu
[05:51] <Lure> bddebian: shot! ;-)
[05:51] <jjesse> welcome to #kubuntu-devel bddebian
[05:52] <freeflying> Riddell: we also more than edubuntu, hehe
[05:59] <bddebian> Hehe, thx Lure, jjesse :-)
[06:03] <allee> welcome bddebian :)
[06:04] <bddebian> Ah Hi, thx allee.  I've seen your name on a few bug reports :-)
[06:04] <bddebian> Any of you have any peon work you need done?
[06:12] <Lure> who ever sent me last message, caused my Konversation to crash... :-(
[06:12] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning smb4k, it is a tool to manage share dynamically
[06:12] <Tonio_> like you can do on windows
[06:12] <Tonio_> auto-mount shares on kde start, with predefined login/password
[06:13] <Lure> Tonio_: will try, I type in all my smb:// addresses directly
[06:13] <Tonio_> Lure: if you use smb a lot, you should give a shot, that's a very nice tool
[06:15] <freeflying> Tonio_: any reasons why smb4k is not in main now?
[06:15] <Tonio_> freeflying: nobody asked ?? ;)
[06:15] <Riddell> freeflying: konqueror already does smb shares
[06:16] <Riddell> manage them through the remote:/ ioslave
[06:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: true, but there is no easy way to store passwords
[06:16] <freeflying> Riddell: smb4k may works fine than konqueror's
[06:16] <Tonio_> except making desktop files containing them in the url...
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: to use smb activelly in a companu's environment, it is sometime a pain to type passwords 10 times a day
[06:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: in a professionnal context, smb4k is clearly a must have
[06:17] <Tonio_> for temp usage, konqueror is perfect, I agree on this
[06:18] <Riddell> so you can't just tick the "Remember this password" box?
[06:18] <Lure> Tonio_: kpowersave 0.6.1 will be release next week (same as suse src.rpm)
[06:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: not to what I remember
[06:18] <Tonio_> that part of konqueror doesn't interact with kwallet
[06:19] <freeflying> Lure: what changes
[06:19] <Tonio_> but maybe that changed, since I use only smb4k since kde 3.4.1
[06:19] <Lure> freeflying: just bugfixes
[06:19] <Tonio_> Lure: perfect
[06:19] <Lure> hi raphink__
[06:19] <Tonio_> Lure: will be interesting to get kpowersave by default for edgy
[06:20] <freeflying> Lure: seems we can not get UVFe now
[06:20] <Tonio_> since it is designed to "test technologies", we will be more "free" for that kind of changes
[06:20] <Lure> Tonio_: that is my plan - but we need better integration with acpi-support then
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me test those password things
[06:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I forgot my company's vpn access ;)
[06:22] <Lure> Tonio_: if interested in Linux PM - see this
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <Lure> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <Lure> (no debugging symbols found)
[06:22] <apokryphos> :)
[06:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png
[06:22] <Riddell> Lure: pastebin is your friend
[06:22] <Lure> sorry - wrong paste buffer (again ;-))
[06:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: no password saving..........
[06:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: curious, I wonder why
[06:23] <Tonio_> Lure: yes that's quite common (pain)
[06:23] <Lure> Riddell: no, I did not want to past that just one URL... ;-)
[06:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: no idea....... but smb4k is the perfect solution to this
[06:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: another point, smb4k manages REAL mounts
[06:23] <Tonio_> gtk apps are not a problem
[06:23] <Tonio_> no kio usage
[06:23] <Lure> Tonio_: if you want more on Linux PM - see http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/181888/1a68de05c8edfc3f/
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why it is so interesting in companies, since you have lots of gtk apps widely used (gimp, evolution etc...)
[06:24] <raphink-pbook> pfiew
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: opening a gimp format on a smb share will fail with konqueror, but work with smb4k
[06:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho, and Openoffice fails with the smb protocol
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: those are I think extremelly good reason to avoid kio usage concerning smb
[06:27] <Riddell> thought it might, we should remove that from the .desktop files then
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe
[06:28] <Tonio_> but well, since the usage of smb4k is specific, it can stay in universe
[06:28] <Tonio_> not "all" users need it
[06:29] <Riddell> well it's not an uncommon usecase
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yes
[06:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: considering smb4k for main ?
[06:29] <Tonio_> it gives the same that windows using autoreconnect on shares in fact, and you get the shares in your home directory
[06:30] <freeflying> Tonio_: guys in LAN will use samba often,so smb4k is quite useful
[06:30] <Tonio_> that's very convenient
[06:30] <Tonio_> freeflying: yes true
[06:30] <Riddell> but best would be to fix the smb support in konqueror
[06:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem will always be with gtk apps.... we cannot fix all of them
[06:30] <Riddell> this Barry deFreese is clogging up my e-mail :)
[06:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't gtk apps have an smb vfs?
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno, I never use gtk apps ;)
[06:31] <Tonio_> I assume most have, but as for kde, there are certainly applications not supporting this...
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: remember kate not dealing with kioslaves recently
[06:32] <Riddell> bddebian: you use gnome no?  don't they support smb URLs?
[06:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: no?  didn't it?
[06:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: we had problems with kio media
[06:32] <Tonio_> like kaffeine, everything was copied to a tmp folder
[06:33] <Tonio_> well it is easy to fix the desktop file, but generally, direct mounting is always better than a kio
[06:33] <Tonio_> since you are using it in a transparent way, aka no issues
[06:34] <Tonio_> same reason we had to fix the system kicker applet to use ~ instead of kio-system....
[06:35] <freeflying> kio works so slow
[06:35] <Tonio_> freeflying: totally agree, browsing using smb4k is 10 times faster than kio smb in any case
[06:36] <Lure> Riddell: live CD boots fine, will run Ubiquity in my language
[06:36] <freeflying> Tonio_: not only the samba stuf using kio, but also others
[06:36] <Riddell> Lure: good luck :)
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: even amarok had issues browsing with kios
[06:36] <Tonio_> it was resolved only recently
[06:36] <Lure> Riddell: ;-)
[06:37] <Lure> Riddell: BTW, adept notifier notifies mi with alert icon, but claims "No updates"
[06:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm sorry I can't help you to test ubiquity, since I only have one machine now.........
[06:37] <Lure> Riddell: then it disapears in a minute or so...
[06:37] <Tonio_> Lure: yes already een this
[06:37] <Riddell> Lure: poke mornfall
[06:38] <Lure> Riddell: will do
[06:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe it is this "copy to tmp before execution" thing
[06:39] <freeflying> Tonio_: heh, that's the issue, kio will use tmp, but not directly
[06:39] <Tonio_> freeflying: possibly yes
[06:39] <Tonio_> desktop files are really poorly documented...
[06:40] <Tonio_> there are lots of options you simply cannot find any information on the web
[06:40] <mornfall> Lure: poke me when i get out of shower ;)
[06:40] <mornfall> --> shower
[06:40] <Lure> mornfall: -)
[06:40] <freeflying> mornfall: hi
[06:40] <Tonio_> mornfall: hey
[06:41] <Lure> Riddell: crash...
[06:41] <freeflying> mornfall: have you patched ept to unset QT_IM_MODULE?
[06:41] <Riddell> Lure: python or C++?
[06:41] <Lure> partman/filesystem_short doesn't exist
[06:41] <Lure> will submit the bug with python traceback
[06:42] <bddebian> Riddell: Sorry! :-)  AFAIK, Gnome can handle smb URLs
[06:42] <Riddell> Lure: give me the bug number when you do
[06:42] <bddebian> Man, I have forgotten more about KDE than I ever knew I think :-(
[06:42] <Riddell> so in theory you should be able to open files from smb:/ in gnome
[06:42] <Riddell> assuming the URL syntax is the same
[06:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing with gimp
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: Could not open<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for reading
[06:49] <Riddell> where does it get that path from?
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: sbm with konqueror, and right clicking a png file :)
[06:50] <Tonio_> I don't know how is the path sent to the program, certainly exec param for the right click action
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe the url method is different in kde and gnome
[06:51] <Tonio_> so that sbm:/ will work with gimp and gnome but fail with konq ? is that possible ?
[06:51] <Tonio_> firefox fails opening an html file too...
[06:52] <bddebian> I can't imagine that /home/foo/bar/smb: working in anything.  Or are you saying you only get that path in Konqueror?
[06:53] <Tonio_> bddebian: nope, the path in konq is simply sbm:/
[06:53] <Tonio_> but when I right click on the file and select "open with gimp"
[06:53] <Tonio_> I'm getting this, and the error is exactly the same with firefox
[06:54] <bddebian> Hmm
[06:55] <Tonio_> the interesting point would be to know if gimp + gnome works over sbm:/
[06:56] <Tonio_> since the desktop file is unique, the "exec" parameters should give the same result
[06:57] <bddebian> But isn't it using mime info to resolve that?
[06:58] <marseillai> Riddell: in system settings with the module wich configure the partition is it possible to configure it with giving first create user as owner ?
[06:58] <marseillai> for vfat partition only
[06:59] <Tonio_> bddebian: I though it was, but now I'm unsure...
[07:00] <bddebian> Hmm
[07:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: I'm locating mime types referring to smb
[07:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: they do cintain kde directives, but no gnome ones
[07:01] <Tonio_> aren't gnome and kde sharing the same mime types in theory ?
[07:01] <bddebian> Tonio_: In theory :-)
[07:02] <Tonio_> bddebian: hehe
[07:02] <Tonio_> bddebian: can we compare this ?
[07:02] <bddebian> Tonio_: Sure
[07:02] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/698344
[07:02] <Tonio_> here is what I have
[07:04] <Tonio_> bddebian: do you have other files I don't ?
[07:09] <Lure> Tonio_: firefox and gimp are only gtk app and not gnome (afaik)
[07:10] <Tonio_> Lure: is there the same difference than between kde and qt apps ?
[07:10] <Lure> Riddell: on second Live CD boot (this time in English) KDE Desktop crashed (no backtrace, no gdb) and no icons on desktop
[07:10] <Lure> Tonio_: similar gtk (Gimp ToolKit) is GUI toolkit, similar to Qt
[07:11] <Lure> Tonio_: firefox is technically not gnome app, but just uses GUI toolkit that is used by all GNOME apps
[07:12] <bddebian> Tonio_: Egads, I don't get anything but icons :)
[07:13] <Tonio_> Lure: I (of course) know what is gtk and the equivalence to qt ;)
[07:14] <Tonio_> Lure: I simply didn't knew there was gnome libs, I though the applications were all pure gtk based for compatibility with xfce etc....
[07:14] <Lure> Tonio_: far from equivalence - Qt is *much* better ;-)
[07:14] <Tonio_> Lure: that was an image ;)
[07:14] <Tonio_> it is technically equivalent, not quality equivalent :)
[07:15] <Lure> Tonio_: gnome-vfs is their copy of kio slaves....
[07:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I also know that, and I would be interested to know if gimp for example works over that
[07:16] <Tonio_> bddebian: hum.... so I assume this is not managed with mime types then ;)
[07:16] <Lure> Tonio_: apt-cache depends gimp| grep gnome
[07:17] <Lure> Tonio_: apt-cache depends network-manager-gnome | grep gnome
[07:17] <Lure> first does not, the second does depend on gnomevfs
[07:17] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, okay :) I see
[07:17] <Tonio_> I'm so newbie concerning gnome.......
[07:18] <bddebian> That's OK, I'm n00b for everything :-(
[07:18] <Tonio_> bddebian: lol
[07:18] <Tonio_> bddebian: as we say in french "on est tous le con de quelqu'un !"
[07:18] <Tonio_> means "we all are the stupid pending of another person"
[07:19] <Tonio_> ;)
[07:19] <Lure> Tonio_: I am first time playing with Kubuntu in Slovene - are boot messages supposed to be localized?
[07:20] <Tonio_> Lure: not with french as far as I know ;)
[07:20] <bddebian> I don't even understand: Bug #36865
[07:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36865 in kdebase "Can't build index for man pages" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36865
[07:21] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, I thoght that these are hardcoded in scripts
[07:22] <mornfall> freeflying: patched, yes, not uploaded yet
[07:22] <mornfall> Lure: what's the prob?
[07:23] <MrFaber> Tonio_: I could start NetworkManager if I remove the eth1 lines in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:23] <Lure> mornfall: when I boot Kubuntu live cd, notifier shows alert icon, but when I hoover it says "no updates"
[07:23] <MrFaber> Tonio_: I just added my comment to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/37084/+index
[07:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37084 in network-manager "network-manager crashes because of old ways configuration" [Major,Confirmed]
[07:23] <Tonio_> MrFaber: interesting
[07:23] <Lure> mornfall: icon then disapears in 1-2 minutes
[07:24] <Tonio_> MrFaber: network-manager is supposed to ignore them, not crashing :)
[07:24] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Knetworkmanager works great
[07:24] <Tonio_> MrFaber: yes, that's a network-manager issue
[07:24] <Lure> MrFaber: can you past your /etc/network/interfaces file - I thought that this was fixed already
[07:24] <Tonio_> Lure: I though too
[07:24] <MrFaber> of course
[07:24] <Tonio_> bddebian: one thing is sure, htdig isn't installed on a default kubuntu installation
[07:25] <Tonio_> bddebian: that may explain
[07:25] <Lure> Tonio_: I had so many corrupted /e/n/i files when testing knetworkconf, that I am supprised n-m did not crash for me ;-)
[07:25] <mornfall> Lure: ah ah, should be fixed
[07:25] <mornfall> Lure: in svn that is :]
[07:25] <Lure> mornfall: ok, fine - it is minor issue anyhow (may confuse new users though)
[07:25] <Tonio_> bddebian: oups htdig3.2 is sorry ;)
[07:25] <bddebian> Tonio_: Ah, hmm
[07:26] <mornfall> Riddell: maybe it's almost time for another upload? this weekend?
[07:27] <Tonio_> bddebian: that's a dependancy issue
[07:27] <bddebian> Who is Francois?
[07:28] <Tonio_> I installed those packages : gawk htdig libdb2 liblockfile1 lockfile-progs
[07:28] <Tonio_> bddebian: the issue is gone :)
[07:28] <Tonio_> bddebian: I'm removing them one by one to detect the one really missing
[07:28] <bddebian> Tonio_: Bug stealer ;-P
[07:28] <MrFaber> Tonio_: maybe I found the bug, shame over me :(
[07:29] <Tonio_> bddebian: haha
[07:29] <Riddell> mornfall: sure
[07:29] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Because knetworkmanager doesn't work for me I edited interfaces to connect to my router with wpa, it seems that NetworkManager can't handle this
[07:29] <MrFaber> If I remove them NetworkManager starts fine
[07:30] <Tonio_> MrFaber: ah yes, maybe it just handles wep
[07:30] <Tonio_> MrFaber: interesting
[07:30] <MrFaber> Tonio_: no it works with wpa, but NetworkManager can'T handle it
[07:30] <MrFaber> I post it as a comment
[07:31] <Tonio_> yes, great ;)
[07:34] <MrFaber> I make a reboot to see knetworkmanager in action on start :)
[07:34] <bddebian> Bah, I'm not doing much significant :-(
[07:37] <bddebian> Adding libxine-codecs would break policy would it not?  Bug #37248
[07:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37248 in amarok "AmaroK tries to play MP3 without support - Should give an error" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37248
[07:39] <Riddell> bddebian: yes, I've been talking with the amarok developers about how to make it more user friendly
[07:39] <Riddell> but not much can be done with that bug at the moment
[07:39] <MrFaber> Tonio_: another strange thing :)
[07:40] <MrFaber> I am online direct after kde start which is great but knetwormanager doesn't show me that I am connected to a network.
[07:40] <MrFaber> Maybe because I needed some time to enter kwalletpassword
[07:41] <MrFaber> An the wirless networks in list haven't any name after reboot
[07:42] <bddebian> Riddell: Could it ever?  At least with regards to libxine-codecs since they are in multiverse?
[07:45] <Riddell> bddebian: yes, we're currently thinking of having an install-mp3.desktop file that amarok etc could run to get mp3 support
[07:46] <bddebian> Ah, hmm.  So leave the bug as is?
[07:46] <Riddell> yeah
[07:46] <bddebian> OK
[07:50] <Lure> MrFaber: empty ESSID in knm is know bug (but not yet reported in Malone - feel free to report)
[07:51] <Lure> MrFaber: knm author is aware of the bug, so I hope it get fixed for 0.1 release (probably next week)
[07:51] <MrFaber> Tonio_: sorry that I bother you. After removing kwalletpassword I haven't the last problem but it seems that NetworkManager connects to my wpa route before kde start and after knetworkmanager start it disconnects and reconnects to my router so I lost connection to IRC
[07:51] <Tonio_> MrFaber: did you update your installation ?
[07:51] <Lure> MrFaber: do you still have wpa-xxx stuff in /e/n/i?
[07:52] <MrFaber> Tonio_: yes, latest installation at least if you haven't updated knm today
[07:52] <MrFaber> Lure: no, I have removed it
[07:52] <Tonio_> cause knetworkmanager doesn't now starts so early, I fixed this in the latest package
[07:52] <Tonio_> strage........
[07:52] <MrFaber> But it is so great :)
[07:52] <MrFaber> Nothing frickeling with interfaces or wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:52] <bddebian> Wow, adept is much nicer than synaptic
[07:53] <Riddell> we like to think so :)
[07:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[07:54] <bddebian> You guys better be careful or I'll become a kubuntu convert ;-)
[07:55] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Installed: knetworkmanager 0.1~svn-r533312-0ubuntu1
[07:55] <MrFaber> Does it work with hide ssid too?
[07:56] <mornfall> bddebian: thanks :]
[07:56] <bddebian> mornfall: For what? :-)
[07:56] <mornfall> bddebian: for the compliment
[07:56] <bddebian> Ah, you are welcome
[07:56] <Riddell> bddebian: mornfall write adept
[07:57] <bddebian> I just caught that :-)
[07:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning bug  Bug #36865
[07:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36865 in kdebase "Can't build index for man pages" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36865
[07:59] <Tonio_> the workarround is very simple, as it is just depandancy issue
[07:59] <bddebian>  processClick(a real item) ?
[07:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that the missing package, htdig, is in universe.......
[07:59] <Tonio_> bddebian: did you come to that conclusion too ? or do I miss something ?
[08:00] <bddebian> Tonio_: No, I think you are correct but as Riddell says it may be a policy problem?
[08:00] <MrFaber> Tonio_: Thanks for knetworkmanager and cu all
[08:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: I don't understand how can htdig successfully run if the binary is missing
[08:01] <Tonio_> bddebian: ah ! policy problem to put it in main ?
[08:03] <Tonio_> bddebian: I'm a bit lost sorry, riddell talk about policy concerning amarok, not index building :)
[08:04] <bddebian> Tonio_: afaik, a main package cannot depend on a universe package.  But my knowledge is limited :-)
[08:05] <Tonio_> bddebian: yes I know that :) I'm just asking why isn't this in main already :)
[08:05] <Tonio_> but this is not complete workarround, there are two issues in fact
[08:05] <Tonio_> first is htdig missing, second is connection to "home" instead of "localhost"
[08:06] <Tonio_> New server: home, 80
[08:06] <Tonio_>  Unknown host: home
[08:06] <Tonio_> that will not work for sure
[08:12] <bddebian> Tonio_: Oh, that I can't answer.  I'm just a lowly MOTU :-)
[08:13] <Tonio_> bddebian: welcome aboard :) I'm not coredev too
[08:16] <Tonio_> bddebian: got it !!!!!!
[08:16] <Tonio_> file://home/tonio/.kde/share/apps/khelpcenter/index/kde_application_manuals.tmp/index.html
[08:17] <Tonio_> file:// is false ;) file:/ works
[08:17] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:17] <bddebian> Ahh, nice work
[08:17] <Tonio_> bddebian: the problem is that there is no need to patch this if we don't provide htdig
[08:21] <bddebian> What the heck is a St8bad_cast?
[08:22] <BluesKaj_> Howdy
[08:23] <bddebian> Hello BluesKaj_
[08:25] <BluesKaj_> Hi bddebian, I liked Kubuntu for a while til  after setting up my monitor drivers for it , the fonts became totally unreadable
[08:26] <BluesKaj_> after booting up the next morning...very disappointing
[08:30] <BluesKaj_> I prefer kubuntu to suse 10.0 (which I'm using now) , but i think AMD 64 pc's and ati radeon video cards  have a tough time with kubuntu
[08:30] <BluesKaj_> any advice ?
[08:31] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: this is due to nvidia + guidance
[08:31] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: it has been resolved one week ago
[08:31] <Tonio_> guidance is patching xft.dpi to match 96 but the patch failed for a few days
[08:31] <BluesKaj_> not using nvidia
[08:31] <kmon> I have 2 amd64 machines with radeon both, and even thought it's not perfect (the laptop doesnt suspend/resume) it's quite ok
[08:31] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: I think this was failing with any driver
[08:32] <Tonio_> but it was more bugging with nvidia since for some reasons dpi are detected with a higher value when you use them
[08:32] <BluesKaj_> what about the small unreadable fonts issue ?
[08:32] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: that's what I'm saying to you, this is a resolved bug
[08:33] <Tonio_> latest version of the guidance package resolved this
[08:33] <BluesKaj_> IC , OK so I can reDL and install without fear ? :)
[08:33] <bddebian> ph3ar m3
[08:33] <kmon> BluesKaj_: perhaps you want to try first the live cd
[08:33] <kmon> :)
[08:34] <kmon> a daily one
[08:34] <BluesKaj_> yeah , well that's an option alright
[08:34] <mornfall> bddebian: hmm?
[08:34] <mornfall> bddebian: what comments? :)
[08:35] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: you can I think :)
[08:35] <mornfall> bddebian: bad_cast is bad_cast
[08:35] <mornfall> bddebian: stl exception
[08:35] <mornfall> bddebian: the rest is typeinfo decoration
[08:35] <BluesKaj_> kinda like this opers browser with builtin IRC . Will it run on Kubuntu as well
[08:35] <BluesKaj_> err...Opera
[08:36] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: you should use konqueror, really
[08:36] <Tonio_> there is not much difference with opera, and it is has by far better implementation
[08:36] <mornfall> bddebian: you are actually looking at adept code?
[08:36] <mornfall> bddebian: maniac
[08:37] <mornfall> :]
[08:38] <kmon> Tonio_: yes :)
[08:38] <kmon> I would like to know what plans do kde devs have for konqui4
[08:38] <marseillai> Riddell: i can't find any information for how to use zeroconf with kde/kubuntu! nothing except "kubuntu got zeroconf support" i would like to try this for share folders, desktop and testing it! but i can't ... is there a wiki page for this or any place where i can find information in order to create this wiki page?
[08:39] <Tonio_> kmon: dunno, but I'm amazed when I see that so many kde users are avoiding konqueror for webbrowsing
[08:39] <BluesKaj_> not a konk fan :)
[08:39] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: yes, another one :)
[08:39] <Tonio_> BluesKaj_: what is the problem with konq ?
[08:39] <BluesKaj_> FF works for me
[08:39] <jjesse> marseillai: all i wrote was that we have zeroconf, i don't know how to use it :)
[08:40] <kmon> jjesse: I think you need to install avahi to be able to use zeroconf
[08:40] <kmon> i.e. it's not enabled by default
[08:40] <BluesKaj_> Tonio, I don't care for konk graphics..I'm not particularly visually oriented but I prefer Opera's "look "
[08:41] <jjesse> kmon: thats what i've heard, but don't know how to use it
[08:41] <jjesse> is avahi in main?
[08:41] <kmon> jjesse: don't know
[08:42] <kmon> The theory behind is that with zeroconf enabled, you can have services discovered on the fly... for instance I could set up a ftp server and with zeroconf people on my lan could browse to see the ftp
[08:42] <kmon> but I have never used it
[08:42] <jjesse> thats pretty much all i have written in the release notes, but haven't used it myself
[08:48] <bddebian> mornfall: Yeah I was until I saw the "I know why this is happening" comment in the bug report
[08:48] <bddebian> mornfall: Oh and comments like "har har" and "*sigh*" :)
[08:49] <mornfall> hmm, /me greps
[08:49] <mornfall> bddebian: heh
[08:49] <mornfall> bddebian: okey :)
[08:49] <mornfall> bddebian: you were trying to track down the dependency-view context menu crasher?
[08:50] <marseillai> jjesse: it seems to work but it seems to need many configuration to work! :s
[08:51] <bddebian> mornfall: Yeah Bug #37948
[08:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37948 in ept "[2.0 blocker]  'Package Relationships' list: right-clicking first package closes adept" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37948
[08:52] <mornfall> bddebian: Lister::contextMenu
[08:52] <bddebian> Gads, I don't even know what to look at with these kubuntu bugs :'-(
[08:54] <mornfall> bddebian: hmm?
[08:54] <mornfall> you mean you don't like malone?
[08:54] <mornfall>  utils::upcastRange< entity::Package >( sel ) <-- that's it
[08:55] <bddebian> mornfall: No I mean I don't know what my dumb ass is capable of fixing :-(
[08:55] <mornfall> if there's something that's not package in selection, it dies
[08:55] <mornfall> (with bad_cast)
[08:55] <mornfall> bddebian: as for adept, don't worry
[08:56] <mornfall> the code is far from easy -- and the comments are really helpful -- if you know what the code does, already :-))
[08:58] <bddebian> :-)
[08:58] <bddebian> I mean in general unfortunately :-(
[09:02] <kmon> how many people here are going to (or are in now) Linuxtag?
[09:03] <kmon> it would be nice if some kind of minutes/videos or something else about the talks could be linked somewhere for people unable to go
[09:03] <kmon> hehe
[09:16] <kmon> bye
[09:54] <bddebian> Should this be filed against kubuntu-meta? Bug #38289
[09:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38289 in kubuntu-meta "Safecom SWLP-54108 doesn't work straight out of the box" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38289
[09:59] <bddebian> Did I scare everyone away? :-)
[09:59] <pygi> bddebian: nop :)
[10:00] <Lure> bddebian: I think this should go to linux-source
[10:00] <bddebian> Lure: That was kind of my thought
[10:03] <bddebian> I don't see this?  Reject?  Bug #38386
[10:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38386 in kdebase "[Dapper]  kcontrol uses obsolete hotplug subsystem" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38386
[10:07] <shawn_work> hmm, I saw one regression in beta
[10:07] <shawn_work> kwin option swap
[10:07] <shawn_work> er kicker panel
[10:08] <shawn_work> Configure - KDE Panel: Appearance Option: General Section: the two options are swapped
[10:08] <shawn_work> Enable Icon mouseover effects becomes == Show tooltips
[10:09] <shawn_work> and Show tooltips doesnt do anything
[10:16] <bddebian> It's starting to feel like xubuntu in here..   I was ribbing Riddell early on
[10:19] <shawn_work> oh :)
[10:20] <shawn_work> Is that regression I mentioned known?
[10:20] <shawn_work> if not i'll log a bug
[10:21] <bddebian> shawn_work: Did you check LP?
[10:21] <shawn_work> looking
[10:22] <Lure> bddebian: regarding 38386 - I think Riddell fixed this recently
[10:23] <marseillai> so after taking a look at avahi i can tell : it brings much more problem than solutions at least for moment
[10:24] <bddebian> Lure: Thx
[10:26] <_Sime> mornfall: ping
[10:27] <bddebian> So, how do I kick off kmoon applet??
[10:29] <Riddell> bddebian: Panel Menu->Add Applet to Panel
[10:29] <Riddell> right click on konqueror icon
[10:29] <bddebian> Ah, thx.
[10:30] <Riddell> shawn_work: those options should both be on by default
[10:31] <Riddell> Show tooltips does the large animated tooltips
[10:31] <Riddell> hmmm, or does i
[10:31] <Riddell> it
[10:31] <shawn_work> nope :)
[10:32] <shawn_work> it shows..no change
[10:32] <bddebian> Hmm, I don't see tooltips for kmoon either
[10:32] <Riddell> upstream bug I think, I've not changed anything there
[10:32] <Riddell> bddebian: no, it doesn't have any
[10:32] <bddebian> Oh
[10:33] <bddebian> Whoops
[10:33] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe I'm not "helping" :-(
[10:33] <mornfall> _Sime: pong?
[10:34] <_Sime> hi
[10:35] <_Sime> about adept, how come when I add a repository and fetch the update info, I get an error message and adept crashes?
[10:35] <mornfall> no idea how that came
[10:35] <mornfall> backtrace could help
[10:35] <mornfall> what repository
[10:35] <mornfall> etc
[10:35] <mornfall> stdout
[10:35] <_Sime> and in /etc/apt/sources.list I see my entry but it has an extra 'X' written on the end of the line.
[10:38] <_Sime> can adept install "non-verified" packages?
[10:38] <mornfall> it doesn't checkt them at all
[10:38] <mornfall> -t
[10:38] <mornfall> but you still didn't give me much info
[10:39] <mornfall> like something i could actually use to debug it
[10:40] <_Sime> when adept has an "error fetching updates", it then crashes.
[10:42] <mornfall> let's see
[10:43] <_Sime> editing the repository list, just corrupted the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:43] <mornfall> okey, i can reproduce it
[10:43] <_Sime> I'll try to find out what the stuff is.
[10:44] <mornfall> (the crash)
[10:44] <mornfall> as for corruption, there was a bug and i fixed it in svn
[10:44] <mornfall> that when there are no components it appends garbage
[10:44] <bddebian> Well I'm heading to the Phillies games.  I'll see if I can "help" some more tonight or tomorrow.  Thanks folks
[10:45] <Lure> bddebian: thank you!
[10:45] <_Sime> it has added a 0xFF char to the end of the line.
[10:45] <_Sime> it sounds like that bug you just mentioned.


[01:18] <KGB-2> mutter Daniel van Vugt 431568 * commented merge request !110 * https://deb.li/a0mi
[01:37] <KGB-2> mutter Jeremy Bicha 431569 * commented merge request !110 * https://deb.li/3MHQh
[02:05] <KGB-0> mutter Daniel van Vugt 431570 * commented merge request !110 * https://deb.li/3BH7g
[09:48] <seb128> goood morning desktopers, looks like I forgot to start my IRC client again :/
[09:50] <lissyx> seb128, hello
[09:50] <seb128> lissyx, salut!
[09:50] <lissyx> I might need your help with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1856108
[09:50] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1856108 in Firefox Build System "Perma [tier 2] snap-nightly with failure 'override-build' in part 'firefox' failed with code 2." [--, New]
[09:51] <lissyx> seb128, as well as https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/pull/31 https://github.com/canonical/firefox-snap/pull/32 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1855135
[09:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 31 in canonical/firefox-snap "Bug 1855135 - Remove lto=cross (as a temp aworkaround?)" [Open]
[09:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 32 in canonical/firefox-snap "Bug 1855135 - Remove lto=cross (as a temp aworkaround?)" [Open]
[09:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Mozilla bug 1855135 in Toolkit "Fetching crash annotations from non-content child processes doesn't work on Ubuntu Snap builds" [--, New]
[10:05] <seb128> lissyx, to get the workaround landed you mean? or for debugging?
[10:13] <lissyx> seb128, to land it
[10:19] <seb128> ack
[12:40] <RikMills> LP: #2038017
[12:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 2038017 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity MATE Daily Build 23.10 autologin not working" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2038017
[12:40] <RikMills> LP: #2037933
[12:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 2037933 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity autologin ubuntu desktop daily build 23.10 ignored during installation" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037933
[12:41] <RikMills> I guess these are related despite the different DM
[13:15] <seb128> Eickmeyer, hey, is that a new/recent issue?
[14:01] <Eickmeyer> seb128: The autologin issue? Interestingly enough, it was solved for Studio by using ubiquity as opposed to calamares. I haven't tested it in the past couple weeks, however.
[14:02] <Eickmeyer> I was more interested in UI issues.
[14:07] <Eickmeyer> The changes I made certainly shouldn't have messed with autologin.
[14:40] <Eickmeyer> Oh, and furthermore, I don't trust any bug filed by that particular filer for personal reasons (he's personally attacked me over personal email).
[14:43] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: ^
[14:51] <seb128> Eickmeyer, sorry, I had to restart my session and then replied but pinged you and I know realize it was RikMills would mentioned those bugs and not you...
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> seb128: Yeah, heh. It's ok. Either way, my opinion of the reporter still stands. I have been harassed by them.
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> seb128, RikMills: I was unable to reproduce bug 2037933 in Edubuntu (which is really no different from Ubuntu Desktop's legacy image except some theming and packages).
[16:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2037933 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity autologin ubuntu desktop daily build 23.10 ignored during installation" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037933
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> I can download the daily of Ubuntu legacy and try that, but if I can't reproduce and comment on that bug as such, things might get ugly.
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> seb128, RikMills: Couldn't reproduce bug 2037933.
[16:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2037933 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity autologin ubuntu desktop daily build 23.10 ignored during installation" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037933
[16:50] <Eickmeyer> (using legacy or subiquity installer)
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/2037933/comments/2
[16:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 2037933 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity autologin ubuntu desktop daily build 23.10 ignored during installation" [Undecided, Incomplete]
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> I'm expecting to get flamed.
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> Bug 2038017 is confirmed.
[17:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Bug 2038017 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity MATE Daily Build 23.10 autologin not working" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2038017
[18:37] <seb128> Eickmeyer, thanks for doing the testing!
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> seb128: Quite welcome. I have most daily images synced to my personal server here.
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> seb128: FWIW, this reporter does not like to be told he's wrong.
[18:39] <seb128> let's see how he replies
[21:16] <KGB-0> gnome-remote-desktop signed tags b6903bc Jeremy Bicha upstream/45.0 * Upstream version 45.0 * https://deb.li/3LO6N
[21:16] <KGB-0> gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest 712514f Kristjan SCHMIDT po/ LINGUAS eo.po * Add Esperanto translation * https://deb.li/TX8V
[21:16] <KGB-0> gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest 4871a10 Pascal Nowack src/grd-rdp-pipewire-stream.c * rdp: Also include DRM format modifiers when resizing PipeWire stream * https://deb.li/iiFlg
[21:16] <KGB-0> gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest bc2bb9c Pascal Nowack src/grd-vnc-pipewire-stream.c * vnc: Also include DRM format modifiers when resizing PipeWire stream * https://deb.li/QX0z
[21:16] <KGB-0> gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest a7c4f2d Jonas Ådahl meson.build * build: Bump version to 45.0 * https://deb.li/3DFCs
[21:16] <KGB-0> gnome-remote-desktop upstream/latest 1754f12 Jeremy Bícha (5 files in 3 dirs) * New upstream version 45.0 * https://deb.li/B22v
[21:17] <KGB-0> gnome-remote-desktop pristine-tar 260e299 Jeremy Bícha gnome-remote-desktop_45.0.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-remote-desktop_45.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-remote-desktop_45.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3TcGn