[13:05] <brainwash> any chance to remove this requirement now in 2019?
[13:05] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/784485


 chaosPsycheX: I am and Old Farte
[01:08] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[01:08] <bazhang> that does indeed looked hacked
[06:27] <nicomachus> you guys don't have anything to do with the ubuntu wiki, do you?
[06:47] <valorie> no, this is the op chan nicomachus
[06:47] <valorie> alis might tell you if there is a wiki chan
[06:47] <valorie> !alis
[06:48] <JackFrost> !itsawiki
[06:48] <valorie> heh
[06:48] <nicomachus> JackFrost: there are multiple changes being hit with spam changes.
[06:49] <nicomachus> example: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers
[06:49] <JackFrost> Ah, so wiki admins.  Think they hang in #ubuntu-wiki?
[06:49] <nicomachus> valorie: I asked in #canonical-sysadmin as well, just wanted to check here as well.
[06:49] <nicomachus> JackFrost: perhaps, but it's invite only.
[06:50] <valorie> yuck
[06:50] <valorie> wiki spam is difficult to deal with
[06:50] <nicomachus> sure is. and it's the holidays...
[15:53] <wowaworm> Hi. I was unfairly banned from #ubuntu. Please lift the ban. Thanks.
[15:53] <wowaworm> I would appreciate a friendly warning next time around.
[15:56] <wowaworm> Go to hell you niggers.
[16:05] <phunyguy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers
[16:05] <phunyguy> anyone got perms to fix?
[16:20] <phunyguy> Pici: ^ ?
[16:23] <Pici> phunyguy: its not just that, it looks like most pages are all screwed up
[16:23] <Pici> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[16:23] <DJones> phunyguy: Its been filed as aticket with the infrastructure team
[16:23] <DJones> 09:13 < davidcall> DJones: I've filed a ticket to the Canonical infrastucture team
[16:23] <Pici> DJones: thanks
[16:24] <DJones> I mentioned it in -website this morning
[16:24] <phunyguy> ahh cool
[16:24] <phunyguy> gracias
[23:24] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu Smarty user Voyage evading ban to keep prodding at point
[23:24] <ikonia> morsnowski: hello
[23:24] <morsnowski> hi ikonia
[23:24] <ikonia> how can we help ?
[23:24] <morsnowski> never knew this channel was there
[23:24] <morsnowski> this is wehere you go when you have questions about etiquette?
[23:24] <Voyage> Hi
[23:25] <ikonia> morsnowski: yeah, any problems with the channel, questions around it's usage etc etc
[23:25] <ikonia> morsnowski: basically anything the operator team can help you with
[23:25] <Voyage> I was banned in #ubuntu by ikonia . For how long I have banned?
[23:25] <morsnowski> cool thanks
[23:25] <ikonia> Voyage: hi there, your banned until you can grasp how to interact with people giving solid info and following instruction
[23:26] <ikonia> if you're ok with pulling it together and focusing on your problem rather than silly comments, I'd be happy to remove the ban
[23:26] <Voyage> thats totally your point of view.
[23:26] <ikonia> morsnowski: it's a non-idle channel, so unless you need something from the team we ask you to /part the channel, and come back if/when you need something
[23:26] <Voyage> is there a definit time for unban?
[23:26] <ikonia> no,
[23:26] <ikonia> as I've just expained to you
[23:26] <Voyage> ok
[23:27] <Voyage> whats the measure then?
[23:27] <ikonia> when you can interact with the channel, provide solid information, not give smart responses and follow instruction
[23:27] <ikonia> when you're comfortable doing that, I'll be happy to remove the ban
[23:27] <morsnowski> oh ok, i don't check channels I have no real interest in so feel frre to kick me any time
[23:27] <Voyage> how will I interact if iam not in the channel? ikonia
[23:28] <ikonia> by understanding the problem (happy to explain in detail) and agreeing to temper your behaviour and responses
[23:29] <Voyage> actually if the unban is comming from you; I mean a guy /girl like you; I refuse to be unbanned. It would be worth to leave #ubuntu if it has people like you
[23:29] <ikonia> ok, no problem then
[23:29] <ikonia> please /part the channel
[23:37] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops voyage left a pm to say he is welcome back when he calms down
[23:40] <Voyage> is the ban lift owned by banner alone?
[23:40] <ikonia> nope
[23:40] <ikonia> but as I've said, I'm happy to remove the ban for you
[23:40] <ikonia> you just need to adjust the way you give info in the channels
[23:40] <Voyage> I vote to talk to someone else. Though you are willing to unban me but I dont want to get unbanned by your hands
[23:40] <ikonia> this is the problem
[23:41] <ikonia> you're being petty to spite yourself
[23:41] <Voyage> told you; i was smart by birth
[23:41] <ikonia> if you want to stay banned thats your problem
[23:41] <ikonia> I don't know what you mean by smart by birth, sorry
[23:41] <ikonia> but I don't know what that has to do with anything
[23:41] <Voyage> I know
[23:41] <ikonia> ok - so this is the problem
[23:41] <ikonia> these odd comments
[23:41] <ikonia> not giving good info
[23:42] <Voyage> not discussing my case witih you
[23:42] <ikonia> and when you're asked getting all defensive
[23:42] <ikonia> if you can adjust that, it won't be a problem and you're welcome to use the channel
[23:42] <Voyage> you have your own definition of 'adjust'
[23:42] <ikonia> the adjustment is what I've just explained
[23:42] <Voyage> I want to discuss my case with someone else. I dont want to get unbaned by your hands.
[23:43] <Voyage> you have your own definition of 'adjust'
[23:43] <ikonia> I've just explained what I mean by adjust
[23:43] <Voyage> I want to discuss my case with someone else. I dont want to get unbaned by your hands.
[23:43] <ikonia> this is the silly behaviour thats getting you banned
[23:44] <Voyage> bye.
[23:45] <ikonia>  /part the channel please
[23:45] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops Voyage showing the issue that got him banned - would rather stay banned than discuss changing interaction
[23:45] <ikonia> julian-delphiki: hello there
[23:46] <julian-delphiki> hi ikonia
[23:46] <ikonia> just saw your message
[23:46] <ikonia> we'll take a look at it
[23:46] <julian-delphiki> figured i'd pop in here, thanks!
[23:46] <ikonia> and gone
[23:46] <ikonia> thanks for the info
[23:46] <julian-delphiki> appreciate it ikonia, merry christmas.
[23:46] <ikonia> you too
[23:47] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu smarty voyage once again ban evading


[05:31] <White_Light> has anyone actually managed to get kdump to work on 16.04?
[05:31] <White_Light> it seems to be horribly broken, along with kexec
[09:53] <william_8086xi> Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: Ubuntu "yakkety" 16.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4700HQ CPU @ 2.40GHz (2.88GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (6.4 GiB Free) Swap: 7.7 GiB Total (7.7 GiB Free) • Storage: 51.6 GB / 490.1 GB (438.5 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Proce
[09:53] <william_8086xi> ssor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 23h 46m 15s
[15:54] <jacky__> hello all
[16:50] <ubuntu-mate> hi everyone
[18:43] <mate|47446> .
[18:48] <Akuli> ..
[19:10] <jack_> hi if theres any one familiar with python for some reason there is no tkinter there is Easytkinter are they the same?
[19:20] <mate|93295> i have a problem booting from a usb
[19:21] <jack_> what software did you use
[19:23] <mate|93295> software?
[19:23] <jack_> sorry lol program
[19:23] <mate|93295> i boot from a hp startup
[19:23] <jack_> what you use to put mate on the USB?
[19:24] <mate|93295> windows 10
[19:24] <mate|93295> for install
[19:24] <jack_> ok i see your problem xD
[19:24] <mate|93295> uhm /: what is it
[19:25] <jack_> go download a program called unetbootin
[19:26] <jack_> its an easy program that will put it on the usb for you
[19:26] <jack_> you cant just put the ISO file on the usb it wont work
[19:27] <jack_> knowing windows your going to also have to go into your BIOS and turn off secure boot
[19:27] <jack_> might have to also put it in legacy mode
[19:29] <mate|93295> ok i will see
[19:30] <jack_> after you got all that sorted out you'll need to go yo your boot options  and change your usb to the first one or just pick it
[19:31] <jack_> on mine i click F12 and just pick it im not sure I have never used an HP
[19:32] <jack_> not sure about on an HP*
[19:34] <mate|93295> on hp is esc
[19:36] <jack_> do you want to dual boot or get ride of windows?
[19:36] <mate|93295> i want to change the windows to the disk
[19:36] <mate|93295> and do dual boot with the usb
[19:37] <jack_> so you want to dual boot?
[19:37] <mate|93295> in the usb yes
[19:38] <jack_> im slightly  confused
[19:38] <jack_> you want to run mate off the USB not install it to your hard drive?
[19:38] <mate|93295> yes
[19:41] <jack_> when you install mate to usb when you click esc it will pull up unetbootin it will ask you if you want to try mate
[19:42] <jack_> do that option
[19:42] <mate|93295> i install the mate by mistake in the disk
[19:44] <jack_> what?
[19:44] <Akuli> when installing it should warn you about deleting everything on the disk if you're going to do that
[19:45] <jack_> you can cancel  the installation as long as you did not format the partitions  its fine
[19:45] <mate|93295> uhm ok
[19:45] <mate|93295> that was the problem
[19:45] <Akuli> mate|93295, have you installed it already?
[19:45] <Akuli> have you went past this step? http://www.fixedbyvonnie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/3-fixedbyvonnie-ubuntu-virtualbox-erase-disk-and-install-ubuntu.png
[19:46] <jack_> sorry read Akuli and thought it was you my bad
[19:46] <Akuli> no problem :)
[19:46] <mate|93295> i erase the disk
[19:47] <Akuli> why did you do that? :)
[19:47] <mate|93295> idk :/
[19:47] <Akuli> i think the installer should say "this will delete everything" instead of "this will delete any files"
[19:48] <jack_> did you install alongside or just install ubuntu mate?
[19:48] <mate|93295> ffs :)
[19:48] <Akuli> jack_, the "erase disk and install ubuntu" option
[19:48] <Akuli> mate|93295, if you want windows now you need to install it yourself
[19:49] <mate|93295> i will install know i will be back
[19:49] <Akuli> usually there's some kind of recovery thing you can use
[19:49] <jack_> Akuli
[19:49] <Akuli> yes?
[19:50] <jack_> i want to install the driver for invidia drivers that are not open source
[19:50] <mate|93295> what kind of recovery
[19:51] <jack_> when i did that on regular  ubuntu it gave me black screen after reboot
[19:51] <Akuli> mate|93295, i think hp does it so that you go to their website and enter your windows product key from a sticker in the bottom of the laptop, i don't remember
[19:51] <beenum> Hi guys, I have a question regarding ubuntu mate(raspberry pi) kernel compilation. I want to add seccomp and apparmor modules and compile it again. Should I follow the guidelines provided for raspbian?
[19:52] <Akuli> jack_, why not to just use the driver manager thingy that ubuntu comes with?
[19:52] <Akuli> it's a tab in a thingy called software and updates if i remember that correctly
[19:52] <jack_> i did that on regular ubuntu and gave me black screen xD
[19:52] <Akuli> beenum, ubuntu and raspbian are both based on debian, so i don't see any reason why they wouldn't work
[19:53] <jack_> i Know how to fix it to keep it from doing a black screen I just wanted to know so i would do it before i try to install it and i dont want to do it if i dont have to
[19:54] <jack_> on ubuntu I had to quite splash and a few other things
[19:54] <Akuli> jack_, are you trying to download a driver from a website yourself?
[19:54] <jack_> nope
[19:54] <jack_> from software manager
[19:55] <Akuli> why not driver manager?
[19:55] <Akuli> is there nothing there?
[19:55] <jack_> thats what i meant
[19:55] <beenum> Akuli! Exactly, there shouldn't be any problem but when I try to compile the custom one, it fails. I'm using the config file from ubuntu mate I'm using. When I try to compile, it says "restarting config..." and asks me to select everything manually
[19:55] <Akuli> oh ok :)
[19:55] <Akuli> hmm :(
[19:56] <Akuli> beenum, i've never had a raspberry pi so i don't know how to help
[19:56] <jack_> you sure theres no corrupt files?
[19:56] <beenum> Akuli, It's okay, Is there any place you can recommend for help?
[19:56] <Akuli> beenum, you can just wait here, maybe someone else knows :)
[19:57] <Akuli> jack_, corrupt files?
[19:57] <beenum> Okay :)
[19:57] <jack_> hold on
[20:07] <Casimiro> my pc continue doesn't booting from the usb
[20:07] <Slown> Hello guys
[20:07] <Slown> happy to be there with you tonight
[20:08] <Slown> anyone there to make some jokes ?
[20:08] <Slown> seriously guys I'm hesitating between gnome 3 and mate
[20:08] <Slown> why I should get ubuntu mate ?
[20:09] <Casimiro> my pc continue doesn't booting from the usb
[20:09] <jack_> h,,
[20:09] <jack_> hm
[20:09] <jack_> did yyou just put the iso on the thumb drive?
[20:09] <jack_> or did you use a program
[20:10] <jack_> and slown it depends on what you want
[20:10] <Casimiro> i use the unetbootin like u said
[20:10] <jack_> you check secure boot?
[20:11] <jack_> and see if theres a legacy mode option?
[20:11] <Slown> what I want is the best desktop
[20:11] <Slown> why do you choose to create a fork of gnome 2
[20:11] <Slown> instead of using gnome 3 ?
[20:11] <Slown> that's the question my friend
[20:11] <jack_> i didn't xD
[20:12] <jack_> i did not make mate
[20:12] <Slown> but you use it
[20:12] <Slown> so answer the question
[20:12] <Casimiro> yes is a legacy mode
[20:12] <Casimiro> and is active
[20:12] <jack_> hmm
[20:12] <jack_> hold on slown
[20:12] <Slown> I'm waiting
[20:12] <Slown> guys here, don't be shy
[20:12] <jack_> did you turn off secure boot
[20:12] <Slown> give us your answers please
[20:13] <Casimiro> no
[20:13] <jack_> you have to turn it off
[20:14] <jack_> and slown do you really like gnome 3 that much xD
[20:14] <Slown> you're a funny guy my friend
[20:14] <jack_> i try xP
[20:14] <Akuli> Slown, one reason why i prefer mate over gnome 3 is the panels
[20:14] <Akuli> i can organize the panels in any way i want easily
[20:14] <Slown> Akuli, you're the guy
[20:15] <Slown> how are you buddy ?
[20:15] <Akuli> the guy?
[20:15] <Akuli> im fine :)
[20:15] <Slown> yeah the guy for this kind of situation
[20:15] <Slown> don't be jealous jack_ I like you too
[20:15] <Slown> :p
[20:15] <Akuli> like if you're a windows fan you can just have one panel at the bottom and a windows-start-menu-style menu
[20:15] <jack_> i don't get jealous  XD
[20:16] <Slown> did you try gnome 3 Akuli ?
[20:16] <Akuli> i tried it once
[20:16] <jack_> and he will never go back xP
[20:16] <Akuli> things just weren't where i expected them to be
[20:16] <Slown> did you use gnome 2 before ?
[20:17] <Akuli> yes, mate is basically gnome 2
[20:17] <Slown> totally
[20:18] <Akuli> i think i managed to launch applications in gnome 3, but that's about it :)
[20:18] <Slown> and why you didn't choose xfce over mate ?
[20:18] <Akuli> i've used it also, mostly because mate comes with my favorite theme by default :)
[20:18] <jack_> with Mate you can use Matetweak and change the panels to a few different things
[20:18] <Slown> which theme ?
[20:18] <Akuli> black-mate
[20:19] <Slown> this guy is a hacker my friends
[20:19] <Slown> the fbi is watching you
[20:19] <Slown> be careful
[20:19] <jack_> who?
[20:19] <Slown> Akuli
[20:19] <Slown> don't be scared jack_
[20:19] <Slown> I know you're a good boy
[20:20] <jack_> you know noshing xD
[20:20] <Akuli> heh :)
[20:22] <Slown> so to be clear, mate is based on gtk 3 or 2 ?
[20:22] <jack_> Akuli when you dual boot with a another Linux with mate does it partition every thing well or would it be batter to do it my self?
[20:23] <Akuli> Slown, based on gtk 2 and gnome 2, currently the theme is porting it to gtk 3
[20:23] <Akuli> team, not theme
[20:23] <Akuli> jack_, the default partitioning is fine
[20:23] <jack_> alright thanks
[20:23] <Casimiro> jack_:  with the legacy mode active my computer doesn't boot
[20:23] <jack_> hmm thats odd
[20:24] <jack_> man ive never used an HP I built mine
[20:25] <Slown> the favorite icon themes on mate ?
[20:25] <jack_> what mother board you have in there if you know?
[20:25] <Akuli> Slown, i just use the default one
[20:27] <Slown> the green ones ?
[20:27] <Slown> Omg
[20:27] <Akuli> i think you're talking about ubuntu mate's weird default
[20:27] <Akuli> the blackmate theme switches the icon theme to mate's default icon theme
[20:30] <jack_> Akuli you know how long the developers plan on supporting mate?
[20:31] <Slown> supporting mate ?
[20:31] <Slown> what are you talking about ?
[20:31] <Akuli> jack_, now mate is mostly ported to gtk 3, so it should be usable for many more years
[20:31] <Akuli> usable as in everything works great
[20:31] <Slown> the new version of mate Akuli ?
[20:32] <Casimiro> jack_:  no idk the motherboard model
[20:32] <Slown> It will be included on ubuntu mate 16.04 or not ?
[20:32] <jack_> alright hold on
[20:34] <jack_> try it with out legacy mode then come tell me what happens
[20:35] <Akuli> Slown, ubuntu mate 16.04 is released already, i'm not sure what it has because i'm not running ubuntu mate 16.04
[20:36] <jack_> https://neosmart.net/wiki/enable-legacy-boot-mode/
[20:37] <jack_> thats for you Casimiro_:
[20:37] <Casimiro> jack_: the legacy mode is active
[20:38] <jack_> did you try and turn it off and see if it worked with out
[20:39] <Casimiro> he don't work with the legacy mode disable
[20:39] <jack_> hmm
[20:39] <jack_> read what that stuff from the url and see if it helps
[20:40] <jack_> does it say ASUS when you go into your BIOS?
[20:40] <jack_> top left
[20:42] <jack_> i have to go work out before it gets any latter ill be back in a bit if you have not figured it out by then ill be back on here to help you more Casimiro_:
[20:42] <jack_> later*
[20:43] <jack_> that url should help though
[20:53] <ozgur> hi guys
[21:22] <jack_> you there Casimiro_,
[22:06] <jack_> when you encrypt  your home file from the mate installation  does it encrypt your swap automatically as well?
[22:24] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't believe so
[22:46] <jack_> it does ran sudo ecryptfs-setup-swap says all ready encrypted very nice xD
[23:24] <TIBUM> I installed Kodi XBMC on my ubuntu mate, but i cant find it :/


[06:36] <h00k> Anyone have a 360 in here>
[18:22] <h00k> My right-click menus are broken on natty
[18:49] <h00k> turns out it is an nvidia/unity issue
[20:00] <h00k> dwhitfie: hellow there.
[20:31] <dwhitfie> h00k: hi
[20:32] <dwhitfie> I'm not really here. well, I won't be after I press ENTER


[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #198599 in xserver-xorg-input-aiptek (universe) "Fix for buggy aiptek-drivers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198599
[00:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177295 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "ipw2200: Firmware error detected.  Restarting. (dup-of: 116456)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177295
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #198611 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashes when executing setxkbmap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198611
[02:28] <ubotu> New bug: #198622 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "nvidia_new fails to load" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198622
[06:49] <ubotu> New bug: #198609 in xorg (main) "xorg does not allow user to reconfigure video driver and monitor specifications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198609
[11:38] <Ng> should alpha5 have had the EXA greedy stuff for most Intel chips?
[11:39] <Ng> I re-installed with it last night and I got EXA, but it's not greedy
[11:41] <jcristau> Ng: for 965 afaik
[11:42] <Ng> ah I thought it was going to be extended to cover older chips too
[11:51] <mvo> bryce, tjaalton: can we get something like http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/tmp/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.2.1-1ubuntu3.debdiff ? there was a discussion on the xorg list and i965 has hardware overlay afterall - it would be nice to use it
[11:52] <mvo> for me on my 965 even with greedy a fullscreen video is flickering
[11:53] <mvo> the debdiff has two issues: a) textured video is still default b) it conflicts somehow with the exa+greedy patches (blank screen when both are applied)
[11:53] <mvo> please let me know what you think
[11:53]  * mvo -> lunch
[11:59] <tjaalton> mvo: you mean remove patch 01_fix_compiz_video.diff and replace with 10&11? why not
[11:59] <tjaalton> Ng: ugh, I should have uploaded that package, but forgot
[12:03] <Ng> aha :)
[12:03] <Ng> OOI, is there a way to enable EmulateScrollWheel type things without editing xorg.conf?
[12:03] <tjaalton> don't think so
[12:04] <tjaalton> busy hacking into winxp :) ->
[12:04] <tjaalton> bbl
[12:19] <mvo> tjaalton: not exactly, 01_fix_compiz_video needs to stay, but in a modified form, it is required for xf86VFillKeyHelperDrawable - but that is something that should probably go upstream too
[12:20] <mvo> tjaalton: it needs some love to make it work with bryce greedy patch, I don't know it, so I will just wait for bryce to comment. but the ubuntu3 version works fine for me and video playback is smoother and work on 965 and compiz the same way as the others (that is, on screen transformations the video window is blank, but it does not do any damage like dri)
[12:31] <tjaalton> mvo: ok, sounds good
[12:32] <mvo> thanks tjaalton
[14:46] <ubotu> New bug: #198759 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Right CTRL don't work" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198759
[16:37] <ubotu> New bug: #198789 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "xorg does not allow user to reconfigure video driver and monitor specifications - Intel Driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198789
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #198803 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "X1650 black screen, system freeze and crash" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198803
[17:09] <ubotu> New bug: #198781 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 "intel 945 monitor on laptop acer 3690  with hardy heron" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198781
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #198832 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "[Hardy] Unable to completely remove nvidia-glx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198832
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #116065 in xorg-driver-synaptics "System hangs randomly and error message "Alps GlidePoint can't grab event device, errno=1022"" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116065
[20:44] <mvo> bryce: did you see my earlier question about 965 and overlay mode?
[20:44] <tjaalton> mvo: I guess he's on sick leave..
[20:45] <mvo> tjaalton: oh, sorry then, I wasn't aware of ths
[20:46] <jcristau> tjaalton: badalloc with -intel on i830 with XV and compiz, does that ring any bells for you?
[20:47] <bryce> mvo: yeah came down with the flu... let me check
[20:49] <mvo> get well! its not terrible important, I was just curious about your opinion (see scrollback for more details)
[20:49] <tjaalton> jcristau: hmm, actually I've seen that with nvidia
[20:53] <bryce> mvo, it looks like it adjusts support for some features with 9xx and 965 hardware.  If upstream has reviewed and accepted it, and if we have ample testing by people on various hardware, it may be safe.
[20:54] <bryce> mvo, since it opens up functionality where it's not been available before, it probably needs a lot of testing
[20:54] <bryce> the patch feels a bit more on the "feature" side than "bug fix" side, so I'd also want to understand the problems it solves in more detail
[20:56] <bryce> mvo, also it appears there are several distinct patches in the patch, that look like they're not interdependent (but I could be wrong).  It may be better at this stage in the release to treat each piece as a separate patch, to make it easier to revert them individually if needed.
[20:57] <bryce> mvo, I'm also curious how it conflicts with the greedy patch
[21:14] <mvo> bryce: the patch adds a option to make textured video configurable (that bit is complettely optional) and it also turns on the hardware overlay support for i965 (just like we for 810-945). overlay video runs much smoother for me than textured video (at least with compiz)
[21:15] <mvo> upstream is in the process of reviewing it (keith replied to the patch on xorg some days ago)
[21:15] <mvo> I have no idea how it interactes with the greedy patch currently, i haven't looked into that
[21:19] <mvo> we didn't do that for gutsy (i965 hardware video overlay) because we thought that it would not be available on i965 (there were no docs from intel back then)
[21:19] <mvo> but it turns out that there is hw overlay support
[21:33] <bryce> mvo, ah gotcha.  Since I'm not up to par anyway, let's wait for keithp's review first, and see what form of the patch they take upstream.
[21:33] <mvo> sounds good, thanks for looking at it
[21:33] <mvo> and get well soon :)


[04:37] <arges> bdmurray: I know this is much later, but just accepted that package.
[05:11] <chiluk> hey infinity, or really any other release folks, can we get https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/0.80.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>  pushed to -proposed?  It failed to build earlier due to memory constraints on arm64, but it's building now.
[05:11] <chiluk> rather is built now.
[05:12] <chiluk> wgrant since you are up do you mind pushing the above package to -proposed?
[05:14] <wgrant> chiluk: I'm not on the SRU team. You'd be best to wait for a member of that team.
[05:18] <slangasek> chiluk: not sure what you mean; it's built /in/ -proposed.  Do you mean pushed to updates?
[05:19] <slangasek> it also looks a bit like the binaries for the archs were built once but have been removed from trusty; hrm
[05:20] <slangasek> wgrant: this may be a question for you after all, I have no idea what happened here to the binary packages ;)
[05:20] <wgrant> slangasek: They were removed by pitti as NBS a couple of weeks ago.
[05:20] <wgrant> I guess the source was too, then it was revived.
[05:20] <wgrant> I think?
[05:20] <slangasek> ah?
[05:20] <slangasek> so why was the source revived
[05:21] <wgrant> slangasek: It FTBFS on arm64 until today.
[05:21] <wgrant> I don't know what fixed it.
[05:21] <slangasek> so the build caused the source to autorevivify?
[05:22] <wgrant> Hm, the source was never deleted.
[05:22] <wgrant> Then why were the binaries deleted as NBS?
[05:22] <slangasek> good question
[05:22] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/0.80.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>/+publishinghistory vs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/amd64/ceph
[05:22] <slangasek> is there a magic wand to re-publish those, or should I ask for a fresh build?
[05:23] <wgrant> A normal copy-package should work to revive them.
[05:23] <slangasek> s/build/upload/
[05:23] <wgrant> copy-package --from=ubuntu --to=ubuntu --from-suite=trusty-proposed --to-suite=trusty-proposed ceph -b --force-same-destination
[05:23] <wgrant> ish
[05:25] <slangasek> wgrant: the only binaries that shows me for non-arm64 are the arch: all ones
[05:25] <slangasek> chiluk: ok, so I see there's a ceph/0.80.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> in the queue. is that the one you're actually after?
[05:26] <wgrant> slangasek: I think that's a lie and it will actually work.
[05:26] <slangasek> wgrant: really? because it shows me *only* arm64 binaries being copied, and I'm used to that output being correct
[05:26] <slangasek> well
[05:26] <slangasek> I'm used to trusting that output, anyway
[05:27] <wgrant> Do you often deal with reviving deletions?
[05:27] <slangasek> I've done it more than once, and the output looked correct to me then :)
[05:27] <wgrant> There are some inconsistencies with copy-package's output.
[05:27] <wgrant> Hmm.
[05:27] <slangasek> ok
[05:28] <wgrant> Anyway, copying too little isn't a fatal problem.
[05:28] <wgrant> So I'd do it anyway and see what it copies :)
[05:28] <slangasek> ok, let's see what happens
[05:30] <slangasek> oh srsly
[05:30] <slangasek> alias copy-package='copy-package --auto-approve && rm -rf'
[05:30] <wgrant> Heh
[05:31] <wgrant> It lives.
[05:31] <wgrant> So indeed, copy-package lied.
[05:31] <slangasek> heh, alrighty
[05:31] <slangasek> chiluk: so... turns out we don't need that second upload? :)
[05:31] <chiluk> slangasek ... man you know about as much as me... apparently a ram upgrade on the builders revived the failing arm64 builds.
[05:31] <chiluk> I see arm64 made it to -proposed.
[05:32] <chiluk> but the rest seem to be awol..
[05:32] <wgrant> It'll all be publishing to -proposed in the next run.
[05:32] <slangasek> chiluk: right, was that a ram upgrade called 'scalingstack'?
[05:32] <slangasek> or something else
[05:32] <wgrant> We upped scalingstack arm64 and ppc64el RAM from 4GiB to 8GiB a few hours ago.
[05:32] <slangasek> ok
[05:33] <chiluk> slangasek: i have no idea.. cjwatson just mentioned that some of the arm builders got memory upgrades, and the failure looks like a OOM killer gone awry
[05:33] <slangasek> is amd64 the same?
[05:33] <wgrant> The mustangs have enough RAM, but I guess the ceph build landed on a scalingstack pretending to be non-virt.
[05:33] <wgrant> slangasek: We may need to get the amd64 compute nodes upgraded a bit, so it's still 4GiB for the moment.
[05:34] <chiluk> wgrant this ceph build failed a few weeks ago iiuc.. I just started needing it today, so that's when I started looking at it.
[05:34] <wgrant> chiluk: Right, first failed two weeks ago.
[05:34] <wgrant> And we only upgraded the RAM a handful of hours ago
[05:34] <chiluk> snazzy.. to a whole 8gb.. oh my what are we going to do with all those bits!
[05:34] <slangasek> expand to fill them, duh
[05:35] <chiluk> sometimes my sarcasm doesn't come accross fully on irc.
[05:35] <slangasek> me, I'm doing my part by running livefs builds over and over again
[05:35] <wgrant> slangasek: My poor loopback devices.
[05:35] <slangasek> wgrant: the archive is fixed, so any hosts that are out of loop devices (like kishi12 was) just need a firm kick
[05:35] <wgrant> Ah good.
[05:36] <slangasek> mind you, as I say this I realize that the livecd-rootfs hook scripts do not have any sort of cleanup handler that copes if I have a script that exits non-zero ;)
[05:36] <slangasek> so I'll try to do that less
[05:37] <chiluk> wgrant the arm64 build finished a good 5 hours ago, and is in -proposed.. are you sure the rest are going to be pulled in with out some sort of kick?
[05:37] <wgrant> chiluk: See above, slangasek kicked them.
[05:37] <slangasek> chiluk: yes, that was the side discussion between me and wgrant
[05:37] <wgrant> They were deleted, probably because the arm64 build failed, and we just undeleted them.
[05:38] <slangasek> I ran 'launchpad cp foo foo -f' and counterintuitively, this works
[05:38] <chiluk> I'm assuming that was the copy-package command I now notice in backscroll
[05:38] <wgrant> Yup
[05:38] <chiluk> alright thanks guys.. our collective paychecks thank you..
[10:23] <tseliot> can an admin approve nvidia-graphics-drivers-361 and nvidia-graphics-drivers-361-updates in xenial NEW, please?
[10:43] <tseliot> arges: ^^
[11:09] <cjwatson> chiluk,slangasek,wgrant: what actually happened was that the retry happened just before we did the RAM upgrade on scalingstack, and was lucky enough to land on a mustang.  then I complained because it would have been a nice test case for scalingstack. :-)
[11:10] <wgrant> Ah heh
[13:15] <doko> old binaries left on powerpc: lldb (from 0.33ubuntu1)
[13:16] <doko> but it is already removed?
[13:18] <cjwatson> NBS in -proposed, needs manual handling.  I'll clean it up
[13:19] <cjwatson> done
[14:33] <doko> llvm-defaults (0.33 to 0.33ubuntu2)
[14:33] <doko> Invalidated by dependency
[14:33] <doko> Not considered
[14:33] <doko> Depends: llvm-defaults llvm-toolchain-snapshot (not considered)
[14:34] <doko> can we override this? these binaries are now built by llvm-toolchain-3.8. or just remove it?
[14:34] <cjwatson> wait
[14:34] <cjwatson> that never needs to be overridden, I expect something is subtly wrong
[14:43] <cjwatson> doko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15016381/ - clang-modernize depends on clang-modernize-3.8, only built by -snapshot
[14:44] <doko> ok, looking
[14:45] <doko>   * clang-modernize has been removed. Long live to clang-tidy, its
[14:45] <doko>     replacement
[14:47] <cjwatson> ok, so the metapackage should be removed then?
[14:48] <doko> yes, and building clang-tidy, merging from experimental
[14:49] <cjwatson> it builds clang-tidy already
[14:51] <doko> hmm, then no merging needed
[15:45] <coreycb> hello, can an archive admin please promote python3-glanceclient to main? this will help get some of our openstack packages out of dependency waits.
[15:54] <doko> coreycb, done
[15:54] <coreycb> doko, thanks
[17:06] <coreycb> can an archive admin please promote python3-cinderclient to main?  this is needed to get some openstack packages out of dependency waits.
[18:03] <wxl> flocculant: i filled out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseTaskSignup to make it clear what the Official Release Team™ is responsible for so that community members don't go clamoring to try to help, but i thought i might remind you that it's not clear who is supporting you on Beta 1
[18:05] <flocculant> yea I know that - no rush - trusty first :p
[18:05] <wxl> right right
[18:05] <wxl> just don't want any surprises for you, buddy XD
[18:08] <flocculant> :)
[18:08] <flocculant> I'll find out in enough time to get them to stop builds :)
[18:08] <bdmurray> Should vivid still be on the sru-report?
[18:24] <dannf> arges: would you mind rejecting the go-md2man trusty sru from 2016-02-05? my build-dep versioning didn't take into account epochs, and i've uploaded a fix just now
[18:25] <arges> dannf: sure
[18:25] <dannf> arges: thx!
[18:26] <arges> dannf: done
[18:29] <dannf> arges: sorry, i meant the other one :( can you reject that one, and i'll wait to upload till after
[18:30] <arges> dannf: ok
[18:30] <arges> done
[18:31] <dannf> arges: ta!
[18:44] <cyphermox> bdmurray: arges: could one of you please review multipath-tools in trusty queue? it would fix a regression that was found in one of the patches. where loopmounted image files don't get the loopback nodes removed when the map is deleted.
[18:51] <bdmurray> cyphermox: I'll have a look.
[19:06] <slangasek> cyphermox: should the new multipath-tools SRU require full reverification, or just regression testing?
[19:06] <cyphermox> just regression testing
[19:07] <cyphermox> it won't affect anything else than kpartx -d in the issue we've noticed earlier on s390x, for instance.
[19:22] <bdmurray> jamespage: you want your ceph upload to trusty rejected?
[19:45] <jamespage> bdmurray, yes please
[19:50] <jamespage> bdmurray, please could the neutron in the trusty unapproved queue be rejected as well; we have another fix to go in alongside that one.
[19:51] <bdmurray> jamespage: I don't see that in the queue
[19:51] <jamespage> hmm
[19:52] <jamespage> bdmurray, maybe someone already rejected it for coreycb
[19:52] <jamespage> apologies
[19:52] <bdmurray> no problem
[19:53] <coreycb> bdmurray, jamespage, arges already rejected neutron
[19:58] <jamespage> coreycb, ack - I just uploaded a revised version with my extra cherry pick
[19:58] <jamespage> coreycb, we'll need to pick the fix for kilo UCA as well - raised tasks on https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1460164
[19:58] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1460164 in neutron (Ubuntu Wily) "restart of openvswitch-switch causes instance network down when l2population enabled" [High,In progress]
[19:59] <jamespage> coreycb, ^^ that one :-)
[20:00] <coreycb> jamespage, ack thanks!