[00:10] <charlie-tca__> mr_pouit: Xubuntu Maverick 64bit desktop image is 712MB. I was told you should trim it down, please
 pitti: ^ ^  ^ still need to trim more
 charlie-tca__: what should be trimmed?  That's a decision for the xubuntu devs rather than the release team, isn't it?
[03:07] <charlie-tca__> Got something happening. Changes were not made as requested, but are happening now.
 in fact, from what I see the changes didn't take because we haven't done a task regeneration run in the archive since the seeds were changed
[03:07] <charlie-tca__> slangasek gave it a hard push, just waiting for the respin of the desktop images now
[22:32] <charlie-tca> highvoltage: you around?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Edubuntu 64bit live environment in VirtualBox gave me a "iTalc client closed unexpectedly" error. Is this known?
[22:37] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: yep, it does it on a full machine too while in the live environment
[22:37] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: we can only fix that for natty, unfortunately
[22:37] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks
[22:37] <charlie-tca> live cd testing in progress


[02:59] <RAOF> mlankhorst: I've been looking at your -ati merge; there seem to be a couple of problems in it. Firstly, it looks like you've dropped some changelog entries (at least) - the archive currently has 1:6.14.99~really6.14.4-0ubuntu1, but that's nowhere in debian/changelog.
[03:00] <RAOF> Secondly, the version number is unhelpful; it should be 6.14.99~really6.14.4 again, as (as far as I can tell), that's what it's based on.
[05:50] <mlankhorst> RAOF: ugh no idea how changelog entries got lost though, fortunately there will be a 7.0 soon so maybe we could sync versioning then again properly
[05:50] <RAOF> HURRAY!
[06:02] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: assuming there will be a 7.0 before we release 12.10 when theres a month before f18 might be crazy :)
[06:03] <mlankhorst> f18?
[06:07] <RAOF> Fedora
[06:08] <Sarvatt> 1.5 months tops until we can get libdrm updated and can just do a new git snapshot at least
[06:09] <Sarvatt> (mesa release schedule)
[06:10] <Sarvatt> i'm sure there will be a rc1 on mesa 8.1 at the beginning of august so even sooner
[06:11] <Sarvatt> anholt commited a ton of automakification late last week, hope its buildable out of tree now
[06:12] <Sarvatt> havent been able to make debian packages for over a month now because of how we build multiple versions of it at once in the source package :(
[06:18] <Sarvatt> theres UMS fixes post 6.14.5 so definitely will be another UMS release?
[06:27] <RAOF> Oh, dear. How much do I care that xf86-video-msm FTBFS?
[06:28] <Sarvatt> err
[06:28] <Sarvatt> thats the one that was a drop from 2 years ago wasnt it?
[06:29] <RAOF> Something like that.
[06:29] <RAOF> Grr! What moron builds a tarball with -Werror?!
[06:30] <Sarvatt> might be patches to fix it in collabora git somewhere
[06:31] <Sarvatt> i dont even see that on git.debian.org even though i remember fixing it up to build against xserver 1.7 years ago
[06:32] <RAOF> I guess I should test-build before uploading to quantal-proposed...
[06:33] <RAOF> Which means it's time for everyone's favourite! Xserver builds in qemu-user-static! Yay!
[06:34] <Sarvatt> 1.5 hour break while it builds? woohoo
[06:34] <Sarvatt> thats how long it takes on an i7-2600 :)
[06:35] <RAOF> Let's see how well the laptop ivb manages it.
[06:36] <Sarvatt> ya upgrade?
[06:37] <RAOF> No; that's the SDP I got.
[06:37] <Sarvatt> oh
[06:47] <mlankhorst> RAOF: why qemu? pandaboard? :p
[06:47] <RAOF> mlankhorst: I haven't finished setting that up; I only just got an .au power cable for it today :)
[06:47] <mlankhorst> oh
[06:48] <mlankhorst> the adapator seemed to be pretty standard though, i have at least 10 european power cables for that lying around here somewhere
[06:48] <RAOF> Yeah, it's standard. I just didn't happen to have a cable free.
[06:49] <RAOF> I'm in a continual state of cablelesness; I went out and bought two jug plugs and two flat figure 8 cables today.
[06:49] <RAOF> NOW I HAVE THE POWER (to power things)
[06:50] <mlankhorst> the power to empower
[06:51] <mlankhorst> suppose I should get off this pandaboard, wake up and get some work done. brb :)
[06:52] <Sarvatt> RAOF: you got a panda too?
[06:52] <Sarvatt> crazy the UE are all getting free pandaboards for some reason :)
[06:53] <Sarvatt> omapdrm might work in quantal on it!
[06:55] <Sarvatt> whenever libdrm and xf86-video-omap get synced
[06:56] <RAOF> Yup. The whole desktop team got pandads, I think.
[06:57] <RAOF> It will be *marvellous* to have an actual armhf device to build/test on.
[06:57] <RAOF> On the other hand, I can no longer disclaim responsibility for ARM stuff ;)
[06:58] <RAOF> libdrm-omap1.  Why, hello!
[07:00] <Sarvatt> got to manually build http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/xf86-video-omap.git;a=summary against it
[07:01] <RAOF> Ok. I think everything but -msm is staged in quantal-precise now. Please feel free to check the quantal section of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html to see if I've missed anything.
[07:01] <RAOF> Ah. A non-framebuffer omap driver? Cool.
[07:10] <mlankhorst> is that driver open source?
[07:27] <mlankhorst> RAOF: Interesting, I remembered to check for .gov.au before applying for visa, else some site would have gotten my personal details :)
[07:32] <mlankhorst> scum sites :s
[07:33] <RAOF> Odd!
[07:40] <mlankhorst> RAOF: was thinking of going on vacation there in august :)
[07:40] <RAOF> Good plan; we're awesome!
[07:40] <RAOF> ☺
[07:41] <RAOF> Although perhaps a little bit cold, depending on where you go. And not as cold as frigid Europe, anyway :)
[07:41] <mlankhorst> as long as I go north it's fine, you probably call 15°c cold :p
[07:43] <RAOF> Well, it got up to 6°C here today.
[07:44] <mlankhorst> sometimes gets -20°c here before sun comes up if unlucky during winter
[07:44] <RAOF> It does get genuinely cold sometimes. Not icy European cold, but sufficiently cold to rug up and say “ooh, that's nippy”
[07:49] <RAOF> Woo! Xserver almost finished.
[08:05] <RAOF> A mere 54 minutes!
[11:07] <mlankhorst> RAOF: hehe >:D
[14:40] <dholbach> hiya
[14:40] <dholbach> a friend of mine ran into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1017243 - is there anything else he should be adding to the report?
[15:03] <mlankhorst> hey
[15:06] <mlankhorst> dholbach: sounds like a masive map though, if you shrink the file does it work? :)
[15:07] <dholbach> mlankhorst, maybe you can ask on the bug report? I personally don't have the problem - a friend of mine ran into it :)
[15:08] <mlankhorst> you asked what to add, but ill have to brb
[15:08] <mlankhorst> making food
[15:09] <dholbach> ah, enjoy :)
[15:10] <dholbach> mlankhorst, ok, I passed on the question and it seems to work with small files like /usr/share/icons
[15:10] <dholbach> but here the man is: toabctl :)
[15:11] <dholbach> toabctl, seems like mlankhorst just went to prepare some food
[15:11] <toabctl> mlankhorst, my files are about 3 mb large. after 3 files, i get the error
[15:12] <toabctl> it's reproducable with the attached python test program
[16:24] <toabctl> mlankhorst, i'll leave. i'll be back tomorrow if you need more infos.
[16:36] <bryceh> RAOF, no missing changelogs, I just corrected mlankhorst's version number before uploading it, just wasn't pushed to git.
[16:42] <mlankhorst> oh back
[16:45] <mlankhorst> Yikes lost train of thought. :(
[17:55] <mlankhorst> bryceh:
[17:56] <bryceh> mlankhorst, yep
[17:56] <mlankhorst> woops
[17:56] <bryceh> ??
[17:56] <mlankhorst> http://people.canonical.com/~mlankhorst/prime-wip.patch can you poke a hole in it? I think it sucks..
[17:57] <mlankhorst> but it's ok for a first attempt, I suppose.
[17:57] <bryceh> sure
[17:59] <bryceh> mlankhorst, in the dma-buf.c routines, I take it null pointer checks would be superfluous?
[18:00] <mlankhorst> not yet, sadly
[18:01] <mlankhorst> I think it's more something about general api at this point
[18:02] <bryceh> gotcha
[18:02] <mlankhorst> so i was thinking why not export the sync bo as dma-buf too
[18:02] <bryceh> (nvbo should also maybe be checked before deref)
[18:03] <mlankhorst> oh no that's all fine for hack
[18:03] <mlankhorst> I just care about generic api at this point
[18:07] <bryceh> well, one thing I'm wondering with the api, I notice you're adding another parameter to a bunch of functions that I gather is a function of the number of bufs.  Is that really variable, or could it be a property of the fence?
[18:08] <bryceh> i.e., instead of passing as a parameter to the routines, could it be added to the nouveau_fence struct?
[18:09] <mlankhorst> bryceh: well i need to know in advance how much room is available
[18:10] <bryceh> mlankhorst, ok, well other than that, looks good to me.  Does it work?
[18:10] <mlankhorst> not yet
[18:10] <mlankhorst> i needed today to work out some details
[18:10] <mlankhorst> started out entirely different
[22:16] <bryceh> any packages we need to get in before the alpha-2 window closes?
[22:23] <mlankhorst> bryceh: I think we have the important ones now so most graphics corruption is gone :)
[22:34] <RAOF> bryceh: We *could* copy xserver 1.12 from -proposed to quantal; everything but an obscure arm driver is ready. Although just-pre-alpha-2 might not be the *ideal* time to do that... ☺
[22:34] <mlankhorst> which one btw?
[22:37] <RAOF> xf86-video-msm
[22:38] <RAOF> It's for the Galaxy Nexus. Or Nexus One, or some other Nexus phone.
[22:41] <bryceh> RAOF, if we were definitely going to be shipping 1.12, I might argue having it in A2 would be beneficial
[22:41] <bryceh> but given that we're hoping to get 1.13 in, seems like no reason to hurry.
[22:41] <bryceh> btw with 1.12 are we going to temporarily lose any prop drivers?  or have they all been updated already?
[22:42] <RAOF> We don't lose nvidia, and I don't think we lose fglrx.
[22:45] <bryceh> legacy drivers?
[22:53] <RAOF> Not sure.


[02:55] <nhaines> Meeting time coming up!
[03:00] <nhaines> #startmeeting
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[03:00] <nhaines> Hi everyone!  Welcome to the Ubuntu California meeting for February 19th!
[03:01] <nhaines> Today's agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/17February19
[03:01] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/17February19 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:02] <nhaines> This is our last meeting before UbuCon Summit and SCALE!
[03:02] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming events
[03:02] <nhaines> UbuCon Summit is March 2nd and 3rd, and we have some great speakers.
[03:02] <nhaines> The schedule is published here: http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-summit-us/schedule/
[03:02] <darthrobot> Title: [Schedule | UbuCon portal]
[03:04] <pleia2> o/
[03:04] <nhaines> The event is free with your SCALE registration and we will be having a Thursday night party at Porto Alegre Churrascaria with free drinks and light food, just like last year.
[03:04] <pleia2> is that the final schedule? I can tweet about it and stuff? :)
[03:04] <nhaines> Yes it is.  : )
[03:04] <pleia2> great
[03:04] <nhaines> Carl Richell from System 76 will be giving the keynote, and they will be making product announcements!!
[03:05] <pleia2> exciting :)
[03:05] <nhaines> Yes!  And they won't tell me what they are ahead of time, haha.
[03:06] <pleia2> hehe
[03:06] <nhaines> And of course, SCALE is from March 2nd through March 5th.  It's looking really great!
[03:06] <nhaines> http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/15x
[03:06] <darthrobot> Title: [SCALE 15x | 15x]
[03:06] <lynorian> yeah it seems to get closer and closer every year
[03:07] <nhaines> The price goes up to $90 on Wednesday, so don't wait to register!  The coupon code UBNTU will get you 50% off, so feel free to share that with everyone.
[03:07] <pleia2> \o/
[03:07] <nhaines> But that's not all!  If you volunteer at the booth for at least one shift, I will pay for your full expo pass.  By which I mean SCALE will pay!
[03:09] <lynorian> ok were do I sign up
[03:09] <nhaines> We do need some more volunteers, so please email me if you can spend time at the booth.  We promise to let you escape to eat lunch and wander the expo floor or see any talks you're dying to see.
[03:09] <nhaines> Sign up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale15x
[03:09] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale15x - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:09] <nhaines> Or email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you can't edit the page, and give me the information in the volunteers table.
[03:10] <nhaines> Just like last year, Canonical's booth is next to ours and their plan is to just combine the booth spaces and let us run it.  So gigantic thanks to Canonical again!
[03:11] <nhaines> They're also sponsoring UbuCon Summit and the coffee and muffin service.
[03:11] <pleia2> great
[03:11] <pleia2> mm coffee and muffin
[03:11] <pleia2> except I'll be down the hallway all day (except for my talk!) the first day running the open source infra event
[03:12] <nhaines> We're still rounding up devices for the booth, but we'll have computers and phones running Ubuntu and I think we're going to get a Nextcloud Box that runs Ubuntu Core.  :)
[03:12] <pleia2> I'll work on social media-ing all this stuff to drum up more interest
[03:12] <pleia2> do you need scale ticket for ubucon?
[03:12] <nhaines> pleia2: you can still have coffee and a muffin!  Also one of the "complimentary speaker water" bottles that I have a bill for.
[03:12] <pleia2> hehe
[03:13] <nhaines> You do not need a SCALE ticket for UbuCon, but it would be frankly silly not to have one.  :)
[03:13] <pleia2> agreed, just wanted to make sure I was giving out the right information
[03:13] <nhaines> Anyone registering for SCALE should choose the UbuCon SCALE passes, which are the same price.
[03:13] <nhaines> Understood!
[03:13] <nhaines> The "UbuCon pay-what-you-want" donation during SCALE registration will help defray the cost of incidental supplies for UbuCon and the booth.
[03:14] <pleia2> cool
[03:14] <nhaines> I think that's everything there.
[03:15] <nhaines> Oh, pleia2, thanks for running the Open Source infrastructure event!  That's awesome.  :)
[03:16] <pleia2> I'm excited :)
[03:17] <nhaines> Any other upcoming events before we move on?
[03:19] <nhaines> Hehe, I think SCALE and UbuCon are the biggest things too!
[03:19] <nhaines> #topic Announcements
[03:19] <nhaines> I worked on the Leadership documents and published a draft copy.
[03:19] <nhaines> No 's' in "document"!
[03:19] <pleia2> unfortunately I haven't been able to make time to look through it yet
[03:20] <nhaines> That's okay, it's why I didn't put it on the agenda proper, just under announcements. :)
[03:20] <nhaines> The current document is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Leadership
[03:20] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Leadership - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:20] <nhaines> The ammended document is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NathanHaines/CaliforniaLeadershipDocument
[03:20] <darthrobot> Title: [NathanHaines/CaliforniaLeadershipDocument - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:21] <nhaines> Basically it removes the "leadership council" mentions to "leadership role".
[03:21] <nhaines> I suspect the position should be styled "Team Lead" but I don't think I committed to that in the document.
[03:22] <nhaines> So if that's something the LoCo wants, then we can vote on the amendment, and once accepted, we can hold new elections.
[03:22] <nhaines> But the actual day-to-day running of the LoCo and meetings shouldn't materially change.
[03:23] <nhaines> Any other announcements today?
[03:24]  * lynorian has none
[03:24] <pleia2> nothing from me
[03:24] <nhaines> #topic Agenda
[03:25] <nhaines> There are no items on the agenda for this meeting.
[03:25] <nhaines> #topic Other Business
[03:25] <nhaines> Any other business today?
[03:26] <lynorian> to be clear no meeting the sunday when everyone is returning from scale
[03:26] <pleia2> good point
[03:26] <nhaines> Yes, correct.
[03:28] <nhaines> I would also like to take a second to highlight our own Elizabeth Joseph, who aside from being an amazing member of this LoCo is an accomplished technologist and ardent supporter of girls and women in technology and Free and Open Source software, which is such an important topic
[03:29] <nhaines> Diversity and representation are important across everything in society, and we definitely are stronger when everyone is happy and confident in persuing their interests and skills to the best of their ability, without discouragement.
[03:29] <pleia2> thanks nhaines :)
[03:30] <nhaines> pleia2: I know we all try to do our little parts, but you do a gigantic part, and it's an inspiration to me and doubtless countless others.  Thanks so much for being such a good influence in the world.  :)
[03:31] <pleia2> you're welcome
[03:31] <nhaines> Alrighty, I think that's it for this meeting!
[03:31] <nhaines> In two weeks we have UbuCon Summit and SCALE, and no meeting!  Be at SCALE and have fun there instead!
[03:32] <pleia2> thanks for chairing
[03:32] <nhaines> In one month, we have our next meeting.  March 19th, in fact!
[03:32] <nhaines> pleia2: you're welcome.  :)
[03:32] <nhaines> Everyone have fun, sign up to volunteer for SCALE and get a free pass and t-shirt for the booth, and I'll see everyone back here in a month!
[03:32] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[03:32] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Feb 20 03:32:50 2017 UTC.
[03:32] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2017/ubuntu-us-ca.2017-02-20-03.00.moin.txt
[03:33] <pleia2> tweeted, fbed and g+ed about scale on our accounts
[03:33] <pleia2> if I feel inspired I'll also spend a little time throughout the next couple weeks promoting specific talks and things
[03:34] <pleia2> and as always, if we want more hands on the accounts, happy to share the duty :) I tweeted on the account throughout the event last year and people seemed to appreciate it
[03:35] <nhaines> Yay!  :)
[03:35] <nhaines> I'm social media dumb.
[03:37] <pleia2> that's ok, just throught I'd toss it out there ;)
[03:45] <lynorian> nhaines email sent but wiki is being laggy
[03:45] <nhaines> Yes, that's how the wiki works.  I'll get you listed.  thanks.  :)


[16:14] <yano> https://www.battleforthenet.com/
[16:14] <jenni> [ Join the Battle for Net Neutrality ] - https://bit.ly/2sh6DnX
[20:09] <yano> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_lock#International_Caps_Lock_Day
[20:09] <jenni> [ Caps lock - Wikipedia ] - https://bit.ly/L44QZ0
[20:10] <dzho> that would be a good day to try to remap caps lock to ctrl
[20:10] <dzho> which is something I've fooled around with, but haven't done consistently enough to get into the virtuous circle of changing my habits.
[22:28] <thafreak> I virtually never use capslock on purpose...I tend to only hit it when I miss the tab key, or the A key
[22:29] <dzho> all the more reason to remap!


[01:15] <niteowl> Hi. I'm using ubuntu 9.10 and just trying to add an upstart service which runs after all of the legacy init scripts. It doesn't seem to be executing though and there doesn't appear to be a way to enable boot logging for upstart.
[01:15] <niteowl> 'start on stopped rc[2345]' should do what I want, right?
[01:17] <niteowl> I have a description line, followed by start on stopped rc[2345] and then exec /usr/local/bin/myscript
[01:44] <JanC> are you sure you don't want "start on started rc[2345]" instead?
[01:47] <niteowl> I'm pretty sure I've tried that but I'll try it again now
[01:47] <niteowl> I just did a sanity check and 'start on startup' works.
[01:49] <niteowl> start on started didn't work either
[01:49] <niteowl> initctl list shows rc stop/waiting
[01:49] <niteowl> Is there any way to get boot logging?
[01:50] <niteowl> From some googling I did it doesn't look like it's supported right now
[01:50] <niteowl> I'm finding upstart incredibly irritating to deal with.
[01:51] <JanC> it's new (and is still worked on)
[01:53] <niteowl> I'm aware of that but if it's still so new why is it the default?
[01:54] <ion> There’s no rc2 job. There are events such as ‘runlevel 2’, which may be what you want.
[01:54] <ion> Look at the other jobs under /etc/init.
[02:04] <JanC> start on runlevel would start the job parallel with the legacy init scripts
[02:10] <JanC> I guess there should be an init.d script that runs after all other init.d scripts and then emits an event to signal that to upsatrt
[02:10] <niteowl> Hmmm. Well I tried start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]
[02:10] <JanC> which is what a "task" does
[02:12] <JanC> hm, rc is a task, so it should be "started" after all init.d scripts are run?
[02:14] <niteowl> The description at the top of the rc task is: This task runs the old System V-style rc script when changing between runlevels
[02:14] <niteowl> Wouldn't that imply that it runs the /etc/init.d scripts
[02:14] <niteowl> so when it's finished doing that it's stopped
[02:14] <niteowl> which should be an event I can use in another task?
[02:15] <JanC> yeah, probably (the documentation could be more clear there  ;)
[02:17] <niteowl> I just wish I had some output to explain why it's not running
[02:17] <niteowl> (any output)
[02:18] <niteowl> Even a log of events and tasks being run