[00:00] <acheronuk> santa_: fine by me :)
[00:00] <santa_> acheronuk: just one thing before you go to sleep, are you able to execute the retry script there?
[00:00] <acheronuk> yes
[00:01] <santa_> can you do that so walter can see it in action?
 or maybe you should just turn it on and go to sleep XD
[00:01] <acheronuk> oh, I'll try on lindode. if it will let me
[00:02] <santa_> ok
[00:02] <acheronuk> I usually rune from my machine here, as it remembers the keyring
[00:02] <acheronuk> *run
[00:02] <acheronuk> let me try on linode
[00:03] <santa_> btw we should just record a video and put it on youtube
[00:05] <acheronuk> ?? why
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 i agree
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[00:07] <santa_> so people like walter can see the KA in action before getting them into the loop
 exactly
[00:07] <valorie> I agree as well
 unless you want to do everything yourself from here on out rik XD
[00:08] <acheronuk> no no no no......
[00:08] <valorie> even if I can't take it all in on the first watch, I can always ask questions then watch again
[00:08] <santa_> well, it's not bad to see the real action™ either
[00:08] <acheronuk> the more the better :)
[00:09] <valorie> right, but I wouldn't have had any context if I had tried today
[00:09] <valorie> also I didn't have time
[00:09] <acheronuk> too few people being able to do vital stuff is how we got behind
[00:09] <valorie> anyway, not crucial, but a youtube would be helpful
[00:09] <valorie> for some of us, anyway
 ok so i can get off your thing now, right?
 oh nice thanks :)
[00:10] <wxl> ahhhh
[00:10] <wxl> i have my screen back
[00:14] <santa_> acheronuk: ok, se we are done today aren't we?
[00:15] <acheronuk> santa_: breeze-gtk for xenial will need a tweak so it builds ok with old GTK on that
[00:16] <santa_> but you did that already, I doubt the merge would override that
[00:16] <acheronuk> ah. no. maybe it wont
[00:17]  * acheronuk is tired
[00:17] <acheronuk> santa_: yes, I guess we are done
[00:18] <santa_> acheronuk: ok, I will do plasma here. thnk you for your work and sleep well
[00:18] <acheronuk> santa_: what is the status of zesty frameworks? still need some fixes?
[00:20] <santa_> acheronuk: oh I already did the e-c-m autotests fix, I will take care of plasma workspace once I'm done with the backports and thus we won't have test regressions
[00:20] <acheronuk> so in theory frameworks may be ok to upload to zesty if someone is willing?
[00:23] <santa_> yes, but I need to ask the release team for mercy on a couple of failing autotests
[00:23] <santa_> or just disable them temporarily
[00:23] <santa_> so if we have an sponsor just give me a ping
[00:24] <acheronuk> ok. :)
[00:26] <wxl> so you need a sponsor?
[00:26] <santa_> we have been needing it for a long time
[00:27] <wxl> do we have something ready yet?
[00:27] <acheronuk> I have a **maybe**
[00:27] <santa_> frameworks 5.28
[00:28] <wxl> frameworks is ready?
[00:28] <santa_> yes, and plasma 5.8.4 once I deal with the autopkgtest failure
[00:29] <wxl> when do you expect to be done by?
[00:29] <acheronuk> wxl: would not have backported if it wasn't pretty much ready
[00:29] <wxl> okok
[00:29] <wxl> let me dig something up\
[00:33] <acheronuk> wxl: you have someone definite in mind?
[00:34] <wxl> possibly
[00:35] <acheronuk> ok. we have a maybe and a possibly :P
[00:37]  * acheronuk goes in hunt of a 'perhaps'
[00:50] <acheronuk> night all :)
[00:50] <santa_> good night
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[02:40] <ahoneybun_> so now only 1 red and that kalzium
[03:09] <valorie> very nice!
[03:09] <valorie> kci got turned back on?
[08:07] <lordievader> Good morning.
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 o/
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[10:00] <acheronuk> morning :)
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[13:04] <clivejo> [13:04] <yofel> well, part of it
[13:05] <clivejo> LOL
[13:05] <yofel> lets go with the same ubuntu account as we did on river, that way we don't have to maintain the ssh slave config multiple times
[13:06] <yofel> later at least
 Hey yofel and clivejo
[13:06] <yofel> first of let me turn off password auth
[13:07] <clivejo> So I added http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/debian-stable binary and installed jenkins from there
[13:07] <clivejo> tried to intsall the plugins we have on KCI
[13:07] <clivejo> and copied the config file
[13:08] <clivejo> so login is via LP OpenID
[13:08] <clivejo> can you give the commands of how you do that?  turn off password auth
[13:09] <yofel> note that you installed 2.19.4, while river runs 1.656. Do we need to check something there?
[13:09] <yofel> also, we need to move the runtime data to the new system later on. Not sure if we can just copy over the jobs folder..
[13:10] <clivejo> should we try and rebase with pangea tooling from Blue Systems?
[13:11] <yofel> well, I have no intention of throwing the old history away, and no, that would be a several days job for someone that knows ruby I think
[13:11] <yofel> except maybe cherry picking the job templates they updated
[13:11] <yofel> needs merging with our changes though
[13:12] <yofel> disabling passwords is "PasswordAuthentication no" in sshd_config
[13:12] <yofel> PermitRootLogin needs to be no as well...
[13:12] <yofel> although, not necessarily
[13:13] <yofel> actually scratch that. If we make a user with passwordless sudo permissions we might as well just use root
[13:16] <clivejo> Im not sure what version we need, but I was under the impression that river was under a "its working, don't touch it" policy
[13:16] <yofel> it was
[13:16] <clivejo> 2.19.4 LTS seems to be the latest stable
[13:16] <yofel> if we do this we might as well use the new one
[13:16] <yofel> I'm just plain clueless about the backwards compatibility
[13:17] <clivejo> kinda figured if it could be got working with newest stable it would be better
[13:18] <yofel> right, esp. as we can afford a couple days to get this running now
[13:18] <clivejo> Ive installed the plugins we had on river
[13:19] <clivejo> and it seems to be accepting LP logins
[13:19] <clivejo> http://kubuntu.dh.bytemark.co.uk:8080/
[13:20] <yofel> lol is that thing fast right now XD
[13:20] <clivejo> it should be!
[13:20] <clivejo> its a lot closer now :P
[13:22] <clivejo> do we need 3 tooling folders?
[13:22] <yofel> disk space is a bit too low to use it as a builder IMO, but we stopped doing that a while ago so it won't matter much. The other resources on the server are sweet though
[13:22] <yofel> "yes"
[13:22] <clivejo> hi sick_rimmit :)
[13:23] <yofel> tooling has the keys, and the other ones were originally created by mgmt_tooling IIRC
[13:23] <yofel> we need to move all the keys anyway
[13:23] <clivejo> just a direct copy?
[13:23] <clivejo> what should we call this box?
[13:24] <yofel> pond? XD
[13:24] <clivejo> LOL
[13:24] <yofel> I'm re-watching too much Dr. Who lately ^^
[13:24] <clivejo> phoenix ?
[13:25] <clivejo> Boaty McBoatface
[13:25] <yofel> well, not that
 Well river is from DW
 Lol
[13:26] <yofel> that was my point :P
[13:26] <clivejo> river is the current KCI master name
[13:26] <clivejo> +1 pond
 Why not lol might as well have a theme
 +1 for davidson
[13:27] <clivejo> need something to distinguish them
 What about max
[13:28] <clivejo> I might get confused with my pup
 XD
 Eccleston
 That one
[13:29] <clivejo> I want something short if I have to type it!
 XD
 Issac
[13:30] <yofel> it took me 4 attempts to write that correctly, disqualified :P
 Isaac
 Newton
[13:31] <yofel> I could live with that
[13:31] <clivejo> yofel: is there a reason why its on port 8080?
[13:32] <yofel> none that I can see, dunno where that's set
[13:32] <yofel> although, river's proxied, so they probably wired that up in the proxy there
[13:34] <yofel> have to get back to work for now, you can try rsync-ing the pgp, ssh keys and the tooling in the meantime
[13:34] <clivejo> But these ports are considered privileged on Unix/Linux systems, and the process using them must be owned by root. Running Jenkins as root is not recommended
[13:34] <yofel> and I'll take arcona offline so I can clone a test slave for the new box
[13:34] <yofel> ah, might as well install nginx then and proxy 80 to 8080
[13:35] <clivejo> not a big deal at the moment
[13:35] <yofel> or just bind the ports in iptables
[13:35] <yofel> yeah, later
[13:36] <yofel> sweet, the new box has ipv6
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:41] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo
[15:14] <yossarianuk> hi - is there a ppa to download multimarkdown for (k)ubuntu ?
[15:14] <yossarianuk>  I've found this -> https://github.com/fletcher/peg-multimarkdown/wiki/How-do-I-install-MultiMarkdown%3F
[15:14] <yossarianuk>  to compile from git (instructions are out of date slightly)
[15:14] <yossarianuk> but anyone know of a repo ?
 #kubuntu please
[15:27] <acheronuk> https://apachelog.wordpress.com/2016/12/02/snapping-kde-applications/
[15:29] <jimarvan> hi guys
[15:29] <jimarvan> hey clivejo :)
[15:30] <clivejo> hi
 Nice write up
 You guys moving kci?
[16:47] <clivejo> not yet
[16:47] <clivejo> but learning how to set it up
[16:49] <jimarvan> see ya peeps
[16:49] <jimarvan> have a nice evening everyone! :)
 Cool. Is that for the sake of learning or because something is wrong with the old one?
 both
 What's wrong with the old one?
 It is half a world away. Literally. So very slow due to that and it just being so anyway. FS is distinctly dodgy. We don't have 100% control over it. For starters.......
[17:24] <yofel> and it likes to die once per month on average
[17:25] <yofel> I'll finish up the test slave for it once I get home. I cloned arcona, but the image isn't booting for some reason
[17:25] <yofel> bbl
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[17:49] <wxl> cool well then good job guys :)
[17:49] <wxl> let me know if i can be of any further help
[18:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[19:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:06] <IrcsomeBot1> tsimonq2 was added by: wxl23
 Ohai :)
[21:06] <wxl> welcome back, friend
[21:07] <ahoneybun_> wxl: westworld is on HBO
[21:08] <wxl> ahoneybun_: oooh watch it!
[21:08] <ahoneybun_> don't have HBO lol
 OK, read backlog
 I'm really sorry guys, especially Aaron. I had a rough night and got like 12 hours of sleep.
 (got the 12 hours last night, 5 the night before)
[21:14] <clivejo> poor sleepy Simon
[21:15] <wxl> told you sleep was important, tsimonq2 XD
 You were right (like you are most of the time), wxl
[21:16] <wxl> i'm have my moments
[21:17] <wxl> ^^^ except for that one
 So TIL simonize is an actual word XDDDD
[21:17] <wxl> heheheh
[21:17] <ahoneybun> there we go
[21:17] <wxl> you betta simonize yoself before you wreck yoself
 Fwd from wxl23: Word of the Day - simonize: to shine or polish to a high sheen, especially with wax. http://www.dictionary.com/wordoftheday/2016/12/01 at Dictionary.com
 :P
[21:17] <wxl> ahoneybun: that was intentionally ironic, btw
[21:17] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:36] <wxl> yay
[21:36]  * wxl is listening to Commit A Crime by The Rolling Stones ♫ https://www.last.fm/music/The+Rolling+Stones/_/Commit+A+Crime
[21:36] <wxl> new album's out
[21:36] <wxl> all blues
[21:36] <wxl> (otherwise i might not care)
[21:42] <mparillo> I installed ZZ from the ISO when it first was posted. I noticed I do not have Okluar installed. apt-cache policy okular seems to indicate it was available. Is it deprecated now in favor of something else?
[21:45] <ahoneybun> I don't think so
[21:47] <clivejo> its being ported to KF5?
[21:48] <acheronuk> mparillo: okular is off the iso seeds for now as it's still kde4
[21:48] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:48] <clivejo> mine is Kf5 :P
[21:48] <acheronuk> show off
[21:50] <wxl> speaking of okular, a general comment: i *HATE* that adobe acrobat somehow seems to support pdfs that break from the pdf standard
[21:50] <mparillo> So 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1 500 is KF4?
[21:51] <acheronuk> mparillo: yep
[21:52] <acheronuk> the KF5 port has only just been done. will be in KDE applications 16.12
[21:52] <genii> wxl: I have so many problems when someone sends me a pdf form to fill out which has user entry fields.
[21:52] <mparillo> Well the old KF4 version is still a better PDF viewer than Libre Office.
[21:53] <wxl> genii: yeah i don't usually have to worry about that. but we get vendors that use crappy pdf libraries to generate invoices and it drives me mad that it doesn't work in okular but no problem in adobe reader.
[21:53] <mparillo> Okular is decent at basic PDF forms, but there are certain US tax forms that have 'extra' stuff that they seem to not work with any free PDF viewer
[21:54] <acheronuk> also an editor as well as a viewer https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/
[21:54] <acheronuk> seems to manage the non standard stuff well, even though not OS
[21:55] <wxl> the most annoying thing is that when i tell my boss it's because it's a non-standard pdf, he doesn't want to believe me, because it opens in adobe reader
[21:55]  * wxl sets fire to adobe's offices, worldwide
[21:56]  * genii joins in the pyromania
[21:58] <wxl> fitting song:
[21:58]  * wxl is listening to Ride 'Em on Down by The Rolling Stones ♫ https://www.last.fm/music/The+Rolling+Stones/_/Ride+%27Em+on+Down
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[00:22] <JontheEchinda> Huh, I guess kdebindings didn't get merged this cycle. Or last cycle for that matter
[00:45] <Riddelll> JontheEchinda: I've never managed to merge it, it's so fragile it just breaks
[00:46] <JontheEchinda> unfortunately :(
[00:46] <JontheEchinda> anybody who's touched it runs away screaming in pain
[00:48] <dtchen> try eclipse
[01:06]  * ScottK has tried to merge it (bindings) too
[03:00] <nixternal> dtchen: www.eclipse.org - binaries, much simpler :p
[03:48] <ScottK> Riddelll: It looks like libepub-dev and  libepub0 on powerpc did not get promoted along with the other archs, so kdegraphics is depwait on powerpc.  Would you please promote them?
[04:09] <ScottK> Riddelll: Also i386 live CD is oversized.  I looked at the seeds and didn't have any great ideas.
[04:12] <rgreening> ScottK: did the dbg syms get removed from Amarok? that would help if they have not,,,
[04:12] <ScottK> No idea.
[04:12] <ScottK> Good question though.
[04:13] <rgreening> I think that was what Jontheechidna was saying the other day
[06:01] <savasten> Riddelll: Thank You for fixing the kdebase-workspace-data build issue.
[06:16] <jussi01> Riddelll: or whomever is responsible for kpresenter youve got a slight packaging error:
[06:16] <jussi01> Unpacking replacement kpresenter-data ...
[06:16] <jussi01> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kpresenter-data_1%3a1.6.3-7ubuntu9_all.deb (--unpack):
[06:16] <jussi01>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/pixmaps/kpresenter.xpm', which is also in package kpresenter-kde4 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu1
[06:18] <jussi01> (on karmic)
[06:29] <Quintasan|Szel> hiho
[06:33] <skreech> Hi
[06:33] <skreech> jussi01: Which Koffice package?
[06:34] <jussi01>  kpresenter-data?
[06:34] <jussi01> skreech: read again? :D
[06:35] <skreech> Sorry version
[06:35]  * jussi01 points up....
[06:37] <skreech> !info kpresenter-data karmic
[06:37] <skreech> ok
[06:37] <jussi01> /var/cache/apt/archives/kpresenter-data_1%3a1.6.3-7ubuntu9_all.deb
[07:02] <skreech> Yeah Was just checking on something
[09:10] <Riddelll> yay, DVDs aren't oversized!
[09:12] <Riddelll> ScottK: CDs have language packs on now so that can be shoved about to fix oversizing
[09:12]  * Riddelll does so
[10:20] <agateau> Riddelll: it seems latest Konversation does not have the indicator configuration ui
[10:20] <agateau> Riddelll: can you confirm this on your machine?
[10:33] <Riddelll> agateau: not currently, I'm testing upgrades
[10:33] <agateau> Riddelll: ok
[10:34] <agateau> rebuilding from source seems to bring it back though,
[10:34] <agateau> so maybe it was an issue with the build machine
[11:21] <markey> hi all
[11:21] <markey> since the latest karmic update my sblive sound output seems broken
[11:21] <markey> can't play anything
[11:26] <markey> hm with pulseaudio it works
[12:14] <markey> thanks for including taglib 1.6 and the new taglib-extras :)
[12:14] <markey> works fine with amarok 2.2
[12:25] <Riddelll> agateau: where should I see MI configuration in konversation?  as a separate "tab" in Settings -> Configure Konversation ?
[12:39] <agateau> Riddelll: there should be an item near the osd item in the tree on the left
[12:42] <Riddelll> agateau: I agree it's not there
[12:42] <Riddelll> agateau: recompiling does no good either
[12:42] <Riddelll> all the patches are applied though
[12:42] <agateau> strange,
[12:42] <Riddelll> agateau: what version did you recompile?
[12:43] <agateau> it fixed it here
[12:43] <agateau> 1.2~beta1
[12:44] <Riddelll> agateau: how did you recompile it?  just with debuild?
[12:44] <agateau> Riddell: no, I was getting ready to hack on it,
[12:44] <agateau> so I applied the patches with quilt and build it manually
[12:55] <Riddelll> agateau: I can't get it to appear even doing what you say, quilt manually and compiling by hand
[12:55] <Riddelll> is there some build dep it's missing?
[12:55] <Riddelll> it says --   found indicate-qt, version 0.2.1
[12:56] <agateau> should be good then
[12:56] <agateau> I copied the debian/ dir from bzr, maybe it's fixed there?
[13:01] <jussi01> Real quick question, when something is fixed upstream, should it be marked as fix commited on LP's ubuntu package? or wait till it hits ubuntu?
[13:01] <jussi01> Im asking re: bug 375745
[13:02] <a|wen-dtu> has anyone tested the new kbluetooth? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kbluetooth?content=112110
[13:03] <Riddelll> jussi01: I think ideally it would be linked to an upstream bug and that marked as fix comitted
[13:03] <Riddelll> but you'd need to ask a bug squad type to know
[13:03] <a|wen-dtu> jussi01: i would use "triaged" in that case
[13:04] <Riddelll> a|wen-dtu: we have 0.4~beta1b in the archive, tonio put it there, no idea if it works or if kblueplugd is needed
[13:04] <jussi01> a|wen-dtu: I dont want to step on anyones toes, hence Im asking (I didnt put it like it is, so Im wondering on what the normal course of action is)
[13:06] <a|wen-dtu> Riddell: ahh, cool ... time to test how good things work now, when i get home
[13:08] <Riddelll> a|wen-dtu: do let us know what you find
[13:09] <a|wen-dtu> jussi01: afaics jechidna does it that way, so i've adopted that ... but many teams have different approaches
[13:11] <ScottK> Riddelll: Did you get a chance to look at promoting libepub-dev and  libepub0 on powerpc so kdegraphics can build?
[13:15] <Riddelll> ScottK: oh no, hang on
[13:16] <Riddelll> ScottK: done
[13:16] <ScottK> Riddelll: Thanks.
[13:35] <JontheEchinda> agateau: seen bug 436088? Seems to crash updating the message indicator
[13:36] <JontheEchinda> also, good morning guys :)
[13:36] <agateau> looking at it
[13:36] <a|wen-dtu> morning JontheEchinda
[13:38] <Riddelll> agateau: well it's something to do with 0004-Make-dependency-on-indicate-qt-optional.diff, if I disable that it works
[13:38] <Riddelll> I'll upload it with that disabled for beta
[13:39] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[13:39] <agateau> will look at this patch more closely
[13:41] <Riddelll> agateau: you said it worked for you so maybe you have a newer version of something (kdelibs, cmake?) than kubuntu karmic does
[13:41] <agateau> Riddelll: don't think so, but will investigate
[13:46] <Quintasan> Riddelll: well I'm going to consul to apply for a visa
[13:46] <kjeldahl> Ridelll: Just a quick thank you. After the fixes built and propagated my desktop was operational again this morning.
[13:47] <Quintasan> in worst case I won't use it
[13:48] <Riddelll> Quintasan: where are you based?
[13:49] <Riddelll> kjeldahl: phew
[13:49] <Quintasan> Riddelll: Poland
[13:49]  * kjeldahl grins
[13:50] <Riddelll> agateau: I don't suppose you know of a way to make a kconf_update script run only after another kconf_update script has run?
[13:50] <agateau> Riddelll: you don't suppose well :/
[13:51] <Quintasan> Riddelll: I'm going out, brb
[13:55] <Quintasan|Szel> back :p
[13:56]  * Quintasan|Szel has few packages planned to go into 10.04
[14:01] <agateau> Riddelll: when you have time, I released a new libindicate-qt, which should help KDE applications running on GNOME
[14:01] <agateau> nothing urgent though
[14:02] <Riddelll> agateau: after beta then
[14:05] <agateau> ok
[14:46] <Riddelll> shtylman: any update on bug 424132 ?
[14:48] <Riddelll> yuriy: do you know if apport got fixed?
[14:51] <agateau> Riddelll: new kmail patchset,
[14:51] <agateau> should fix bug 436088
[14:52] <Riddelll> agateau: is this important for beta?
[14:53] <agateau> Riddelll: I think so
[14:53] <Riddelll> ok I'll update
[14:53] <agateau> I could not reproduce unfortunately, but quite a few people reported crash on startup
[14:53] <agateau> was wondering if it was simpler for you to have one big patch, or separate smaller ones?
[14:55] <Riddelll> well smaller ones are nicer until they start overlapping each other
[14:56] <Riddelll> either way is fine though
[14:57] <agateau> I kept them small because I believe it's easier to review for upstream,
[14:57] <agateau> but they overlap a lot
[14:58] <agateau> since I automated a bit the patchset generation, I could easily generate splitted and solid patches at once, if it's useful
[15:01] <Riddelll> I think it's fine as it is with split ones
[15:03] <agateau> ok
[15:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: Around? (if not, disregard)
[15:18] <yuriy> Riddelll: the first part of the fix got applied afaik. still haven't tested if the pyqt problem is fixed
[15:19] <nixternal> ryanakca: ya
[15:22] <ryanakca> nixternal: OK. I'm trying to see if I could get you to give an ack on getting the kubuntu wiki theme onto help.ubuntu.com/community instead of waiting for mdke to show up. Just a sec
[15:23] <nixternal> haha, right... matt is gonna be afk a bit since he lost irc on his server host
[15:26] <ryanakca> nixternal: *twiddles while waiting*, oh, and Re: your GTD blog post... have you tried yokadi ? I'm sure agateau could give you a great marketing speel on it. I like it.
[15:26] <agateau> :)
[15:27] <nixternal> yokadi..that's what that one was called
[15:27] <nixternal> is that the cli one?
[15:27] <nixternal> I remember trying it when it first came out
[15:28] <ryanakca> nixternal: Yes
[15:28] <agateau> doesn't support multiple machines yet :/
[15:28] <nixternal> might have to check it out again...I have been using todo.sh which isn't to shabby
[15:28] <nixternal> agateau: that's fine, as it run it on my server that I am constantly ssh'd into
[15:29] <agateau> give it a try then!
[15:29] <nixternal> though, i really want something i can use my blackberry with as well...and it seems all of the gui apps that will allow that, are just to much
[15:29] <nixternal> though I can ssh into my server with my blackberry too :)
[15:33] <Riddelll> 15:32 < pitti> Riddelll: ubuntu-bug works fine on KNE for me; I get an "ICE default IO handler error" thing on stderr, but it collects info, uploads to LP, opens brwoser
[15:33] <Riddelll> yuriy: ^^
[15:34] <Riddelll> so that's sorted
[15:37] <yuriy> Riddelll: but does the process still hang afterwards?
[15:39] <Riddelll> allow me to cross channel paste that
[15:40] <Riddelll> 15:38 < pitti> hm, it just goes back to the terminal
[15:40] <Riddelll> 15:38 < pitti> as it should
[15:40] <Riddelll> yuriy: any further questions you can ask yourself on #ubuntu-desktop :)
[15:44] <tseliot> is anyone affected by bug #428662 here?
[15:45] <yuriy> Riddelll: well, great then
[15:45] <Riddelll> tseliot: moi
[15:46] <tseliot> Riddelll: can you test the package in my PPA, please? https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone/+archive/x-testing/+packages
[15:50] <Riddelll> trying
[15:50] <tseliot> thanks
[15:54] <Riddelll> tseliot: it stops X crashing
[15:54] <Riddelll> I don't get back to KDM though, but I think that's another bug
[15:55] <tseliot> Riddelll: do you get a black screen?
[15:55] <Riddelll> black screen with mouse cursor
[15:56] <tseliot> right, I can reproduce the same behaviour here
[15:57] <Riddelll> tseliot: but that's KDE bug I believe, and having fixed the X bug we can start to look at that one
[15:57] <tseliot> Riddelll: ok, can you add a comment in the bug report and maybe add a task for kdm, please?
[15:58]  * tseliot agrees that it doesn't look like an X bug
[15:58] <Riddelll> JontheEchinda: do you know the bug number for failing to complete logout?
[15:59] <JontheEchinda> oh! there was one, actually
[15:59] <JontheEchinda> apparently kdm should be trying to restart itself even if X does crash
[16:00] <JontheEchinda> bug 432521
[16:00] <Riddelll> well that's not what I'm looking for,  it doesn't crash now with tseliot's fix :)
[16:01] <JontheEchinda> all others, when investigated, had X crashing and were redirected to -intel
[16:03]  * nixternal notes that with the upstart script he wrote, you can log out successfully
[16:03] <nixternal> Tonio_ can verify that as well
[16:03] <Riddelll> nixternal: did you pass that by keybuk?
[16:03] <nixternal> it is rough and I wanted to pass it by you first
[16:03] <nixternal> it is really just the meat and potatos of the init.d script, just inside an upstart script
[16:04] <nixternal> thing is...i can't remember wth I put it
[16:05]  * nixternal notes grepping #kubuntu-devel for upstart starts in 2006 :/
[16:05] <Tonio_> nixternal: I didn't notice any trouble indeed...
[16:05] <Riddelll> tseliot: will you upload this now?
[16:06] <Tonio_> nixternal: any reason for not going with your upstart script by default ?
[16:06] <Riddelll> nixternal: I'm not really the expert on converting init.d to upstart
[16:06] <tseliot> Riddelll: if you're referring to my fix, then yes
[16:06] <Riddelll> tseliot: let me know when it's up and I can approve it
[16:07] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/272479/
[16:07] <nixternal> there it is :)
[16:07] <tseliot> Riddelll: great, thanks, let me attach a debdiff
[16:08] <nixternal> keybuk and I discussed adding some feature to it, but I will have to query him for more info on that, but it does work right now
[16:08] <nixternal> thank god I found that pastebin link, as it was on my desktop which I reformatted yesterday :)
[16:09] <nixternal> I know the author part is incorrect, so that can be moved...I found out you can't leave those tags blank, otherwise the script doesn't work :)
[16:10] <ryanakca> nixternal: Hmmm... think that the background gradient on the pages should be longer? It fits fully in my browser window... but on long pages, you end up with just a light blue background when you scroll down a window's worth... Maybe make it smoother/more gradual?
[16:10] <nixternal> ryanakca: that is up to you...it doesn't bother me to be honest..but if you can make it prettier, I am always down for that :)
[16:11] <ryanakca> *nod*
[16:11] <ryanakca> Riddelll: The wikitheme is now applied on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ :D
[16:13] <tseliot> Riddelll: ok, done
[16:21] <Riddelll> tseliot: uploaded
[16:22] <tseliot> Riddelll: thanks a lot :-)
[16:22] <Riddelll> I think it's you who should be thanked
[16:27] <tseliot> ;)
[16:51] <Riddelll> nixternal: did you find the KDM upstart-ification?
[16:52] <JontheEchinda> he pastebin'd it a few minutes ago
[16:53] <Riddelll> so he did
[17:10]  * rgreening wishes my usb sticjk would start magically working again... stupid hal/devkit/udev/mountall silliness with this Acer 6930...
[17:16] <Riddelll> nixternal: so what do I need to do to get this upstart script working?
[17:16] <Riddelll> I put it in /etc/init/kdm.conf but nothing happens
[17:16] <Riddelll> Tonio_: do you know?
[17:20] <nixternal> Riddelll: you need to add a link for kdm in /etc/init.d/ to point to /lib/init/upstart-job
[17:20] <nixternal> /etc/init.d/kdm -> /lib/init/upstart-job
[17:20] <Riddelll> done that too
[17:20] <nixternal> and yes, /etc/init/kdm.conf
[17:21] <Riddelll> and delete the kdm link in /etc/rc2.d ?
[17:21] <nixternal> I didn't delete that when I tried iirc
[17:23] <nixternal> argh kontact doesn't nothing but crash
[17:23] <Riddelll> nixternal: there was a kdepim upload a couple of hours ago
[17:23]  * nixternal checks
[17:52] <Tonio_> Riddelll: you need to create a /etc/init.d/kdm link pointing to /lib/init/upstart-job
[17:52] <Tonio_> Riddelll: then it'll be started and kdm.conf is used
[18:02] <Riddelll> I also need a copy of nixternal's script that hasn't been mangled with windows lineendings by a stupid pastebin
[18:02] <nixternal> Riddelll: you can select the raw version there that removes the lines :)
[18:03] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/272479/plain/
[18:03] <Riddelll> no it still adds Windows line endings
[18:03] <nixternal> even if you save it?
[18:03] <Riddelll> yes
[18:03] <Riddelll> which seems to confuse upstart
[18:03] <nixternal> interesting
[18:03] <Riddelll> almost all pastebins do that, it's very annoying
[18:04] <nixternal> fix it now for you
[18:08] <nixternal> Riddelll: http://www.nixternal.com/files/kdm.conf
[18:09] <rgreening> sed -i 's/^M//g' kdm
[18:09] <rgreening> :)
[18:10] <rgreening> sed is your frined
[18:10] <rgreening> friend even
[18:10] <nixternal> to late :p
[18:11] <rgreening> assuming the CTRL-M is the issue (of course use CTRL+V CTRL+M to make the nice ^M
[18:11] <rgreening> haha
[18:23] <txwikinger_work> dos2unix?
[18:24] <txwikinger_work> in the package tofrodos!
[18:24] <rgreening> what package provides the global keyboard shortcuts? On one system I see Amarok, Chokoq, etc.. on my other, nada... bizarre
[18:25] <txwikinger_work> lo no se
[18:42] <neversfelde> vorian: ping
[19:33] <Riddelll> kdm upstart-ified, let me know of any problems when it appears on the archive mirrors please
[19:42] <rgreening> cool
[19:46] <nixternal> Riddelll: I take it that it worked for you then?
[19:50] <Riddelll> nixternal: after some hackering
[19:51] <nixternal> Riddelll: what kind of hackering?
[20:13] <maco> is kmail super-crashy for anyone else today?
[20:14] <nixternal> maco: yup
[20:14] <rgreening> yeah... me 2
[20:15] <maco> well at least there's solidarity
[20:15] <nixternal> I stopped using it...I was going to play around with it for a while to try a new workflow...needless to say, I have gone back to Mutt..just can't beat Mutt I don't think
[20:23] <maco> nixternal: ouch http://identi.ca/notice/10734152
[20:23] <maco> (also: and so does his theme so ni!)
[20:23] <nixternal> heh, that is a stupid user who hasn't looked at their packaging, nor the patches that came from...umm, well us
[20:23] <nixternal> and some from opensuse as well
[20:24]  * nixternal looks to see if the arch packages still have packaged binaries cuz they couldn't figure out cmake with their silly build system
[20:24] <nixternal> and lets not forget their massive lack of support with chakra and amd64
[20:25] <nixternal> I run Arch here as well
[20:29]  * maco starts CentOS VM....please don't OOM
[20:40] <Riddelll> nixternal: well the invoke-rc.d had to be changed to the upstart command, the old one won't work any more
[20:40] <Riddelll> nixternal: also, poke about QA feedback plasmoid
[20:41] <nixternal> ahh, ok...what's up with qa?
[20:42] <Riddelll> nixternal: No survey available
[20:42] <nixternal> gotcha
[20:45] <nixternal> Riddelll: try now
[20:46] <nixternal> looks like it is working now
[20:47] <Nightrose> maco: ZUI = zooming user interface
[20:48] <Nightrose> so the activities zooming out in plasma
[20:48] <Riddelll> nixternal: great, thanks
[20:49] <maco> Nightrose: oh. the thing that doesnt work.
[20:49] <maco> i set different wallpapers on 2 of 'em
[20:50] <maco> i tried to zoom into a different one...but it always zooms back into the original one....until i rebooted. now its always on either the 3rd or 4th and so my plasmoids are missing :(
[20:50] <maco> 'course, it *could* be because i dont use kwin...though that wouldnt explain it changing activities over reboot
[20:51] <nixternal> maco: cool, now instead of them showing off their packaged binaries, they removed their pkgbuilds from svn so you can't see the packaged binaries :p
[20:51] <nixternal> ie. kdebindings is in shambles there
[20:52] <maco> nixternal: ok mr. pkgr who uses arch, tell 'im that
[20:52] <nixternal> don't need to, they already know..that's why their packagers are cool, their users on the other hand...
[21:17] <Quintasan> wut, stickers? do want
[21:17] <nixternal> ahaha
[21:22] <ScottK> Riddelll: Does this mean logout/login should work now?
[21:24]  * Quintasan takes nixternals stickers
[21:24] <Quintasan> bwaahahah! :P
[22:41] <markey> yo
[22:41] <markey> can we please get rid of PulseAudio?
[22:41] <markey> I'm not amused by its lackluster performance
[22:41] <markey> nor do I need it
[22:41] <markey> my soundcard can do hardware mixing
[22:41] <markey> alas, karmic no longer likes to access it directly
[22:42] <markey> I'd like to access my card directly
[22:45] <ScottK> markey: Kubuntu doesn't use it.
[22:45] <a|wen> markey: just stay away from gnome-apps pulling it in
[22:46] <markey> since the latest karmic updates I can't access the emu10k1 directly
[22:46] <markey> the device is not accessible via phonon
[22:47] <markey> had to install PulseAudio to get any sound
[22:51] <a|wen> hmm, doesn't pulseaudio access the device directly just as you would
[22:52] <Mamarok> markey: gah, stop that playback it's horrible
[22:52] <shtylman> rgreening: working on small screen version/workaround and should have something monday evening :)
[22:54] <markey> a|wen: in theory maybe
[22:55]  * a|wen just hates flash-plugin blocking his phonon
[23:03] <Riddelll> ScottK: well it should but it gets stuck for me which I think is another bug we've had for a while in karmic but I couldn't recreate it because it always crashed
[23:13] <yuriy> gwenview can't save as gif? huh?
[23:17] <Riddelll> whyever would you want to?
[23:27] <yuriy> because that's what the source image happened to be
[23:46] <ScottK> Riddelll: Any objection if I go ahead and put KDE4.2.4 in Jaunty Backports over the weekend?
[23:46] <nixternal> ScottK: how does Ubuntu do the GNOME releases? are they going to backport 2.28 or will they just release it in a PPA for <Karmic?
[23:47] <ScottK> nixternal: They don't bother except for LTS releases.
[23:47] <ScottK> We do a lot more post-release stuff than they do.
[23:47] <nixternal> so if I am using Jaunty, I am stuck with 2.26 then?
[23:47] <nixternal> unless I update to Karmic of course
[23:48] <nixternal> ya, they don't push major releases at all according to lp
[23:48] <nixternal> so I think what you proposed is good then
[23:49] <nixternal> do we support bug reports and what not for the PPA?
[23:50] <nixternal> if not, I think we should disable bug reporting in KDE apps that we serve out of the PPAs
[23:52] <ScottK> nixternal: Maybe those packages should report to b.k.o.
[23:53] <nixternal> I don't think they should...before people were filling up b.k.o with bad reports
[23:54] <ScottK> With the new requirement to report through ubuntu-bug, they won't be able to file reports anyway.
[23:59] <nixternal> true