[00:00] <tgm4883> which in 10.04, is what he will get
[00:00] <tgm4883> I suppose he could force it, but that probably isn't the best idea
[00:00] <histo> tgm4883: No
[00:00] <L3top> Physicist: You could install 32bit 1004.
[00:00] <slnls> nautilus did not crash. it just says the files allready exist. "abort" randomly copies the files in the first file in the upper file. yes i have steps to reproduce: take a bunch of files. drrag them to another tab. drag them back to original tab. et voila
[00:00] <tgm4883> histo, no?
[00:01] <histo> tgm4883: Don't force it
[00:01] <histo> tgm4883: Couldn't he use ia32libs  or whatever.
[00:01] <Physicist> L3top, in an AMD64?
[00:01] <tgm4883> histo, ah, yea, I agree. Don't force it
[00:01] <alami> if i want to add a command i have to make it in /usr/bin???
[00:01] <tgm4883> histo, he's still have to force the package installation
[00:01] <theuser> Hi, anyone here today that know what the "new" improvements for multiseat is in 12.10?
[00:01] <Physicist> have to install any dependence?
[00:01] <L3top> Physicist: absolutely.
[00:01] <tgm4883> histo, forcing the package installation wouldn't do much but override the error
[00:02] <tgm4883> Physicist, personally, I'd still upgrade
[00:02] <L3top> Physicist: you will need to either dual boot or overwrite your current install... or change drives or something.
[00:02] <histo> Physicist: Any particular reason you are running 10.04?
[00:02]  * tgm4883 puts $5 on Unity
[00:03] <Physicist> histo.. backtrack!
[00:03] <tgm4883> histo, ia32-libs only gives you 32-bit libraries (in the event you want to run a 32-bit piece of software), he'd still have to force the package installation in order to install steam
[00:04] <tgm4883> histo, this isn't the case for 12.04
[00:04] <L3top> !backtrack | Physicist
[00:04] <unhuman> i got this result from "ps aux | grep sendm": sendmail: MTA: rejecting connections on daemon MSP-v4: load average: 51 <---- and I wonder if sendmail then is currently being used? I need to figure out what service is using it
[00:04] <histo> Physicist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit#How_to_Make_32-bit_Applications_Work_on_a_64-bit_Operating_System
[00:05] <histo> tgm4883: chroot would work.
[00:05] <histo> tgm4883: right cuz ia32-libs is default now.
[00:05] <Physicist> thank you guys..
[00:06] <tgm4883> histo, I think if the user was capable of doing a chroot, he wouldn't be in the #ubuntu IRC channel trying to get a 32-bit piece of software built for Ubuntu 12.04 to run on 64-bit Backtrack 10.04
[00:06] <histo> Physicist: What version of backtrack are you running?
[00:06] <tgm4883> histo, eh, kinda. ia32-libs doesn't exist anymore. You can now install 32-bit libraries on a 64-bit system
[00:06] <tgm4883> histo, ia32-libs was kinda a hack to get that working
[00:06] <Physicist> backtrack 5 r3
[00:07] <Physicist> latest.
[00:07] <histo> Physicist: and it's still based on 10.04 wow.
[00:08] <Physicist> histo, yes! With option to upgrade to the next or newest LTS version -> 12.04.
[00:10] <Physicist> histo: I think that is reasonable..
[00:10] <Physicist> histo: maybe I will do it!
[00:11] <histo> Physicist: LTS to LTS is supported.
[00:11] <BossRock> My mail server (postfix with dovecot) won't save the directory that mail is in (MAIL=home/user/Maildir). It reverts to /var/mail/user after a period of time and after reboots… any ideas why this could be?
[00:12] <histo> BossRock: which mailbox format is it configured for.
[00:12] <Physicist> histo: yes, I know..
[00:12] <BossRock> Maildir
[00:14] <histo> BossRock: I'd double check your configs
[00:14] <BossRock> histo: tried that trying to figure it out a few times now. lol
[00:15] <BossRock> histo: will check it again though.
[00:15] <histo> BossRock: make sure you restart postfix after changing settings
[00:15] <BossRock> rebooted the actual server as well.
[00:17] <BossRock> histo: the postfix config I know has to say "home_mailbox = Maildir/" which was done and Maildir works.
[00:17] <BossRock> histo: when i set the destination of mail. It works absolutely fine for a while.
[00:18] <alami> sudo chown -R 1000:1000 /opt/eclipse/
[00:19] <alami> why i can't change the permission of this folder
[00:19] <alami> bash: /usr/local/bin/eclipse: Permission denied
[00:24] <histo> alami: Is that the error you receiving?
[00:24] <histo> alami: That error has a completly different path.
[00:27] <Kobayashi> halp
[00:27] <Kobayashi> anyone familiar with creating global hotkeys for MPlayer?
[00:28] <histo> !anyone | Kobayashi
[00:31] <sjch> how can I see priority of processes?
[00:32] <Gerowen> sjch: In the system monitor there's a tab called "Processes", and a column on that tab is "Priority"
[00:34] <bigfat> theres gotta be people here
[00:34] <Gerowen> sjch: If you use a terminal based program such as "top", you may see priority called "Nice" level.  In this instance, the lower the nice level, the higher the priority.  0 is the default, but in the graphical "System Monitor" program, it's just called "Priority".
[00:34] <bigfat> Quick question: do any of you use wicd? if so, does it offer any noticeable advantages over the default network manager?
[00:35] <sjch> thank you Gerowen
[00:36] <gueriLLaPunK> whats the cmd to view bandwidth?
[00:36] <dr_willis> bigfat:  heard some people use it for some wifi cards.. not sure why.
[00:36] <Gerowen> bigfat: I've used it on occasion, but never really noticed any advantages over the default one.  I used it in older Ubuntu releases when, for whatever reason, gnome-network-manager would crap out on certain computers, but I haven't had any issues with that in years.
[00:37] <bigfat> I only ask because the default network manager won't pick up on an open wifi range at the school I go to, but I'm not sure if switching to wcid would help
[00:37] <bigfat> and by open I mean unsecrued, available to everyone
[00:38] <bigfat> actually, not pick up, I mean connect, it tries to connect but never succeeds
[00:39] <Gerowen> gueriLLaPunK: You can install and use the command line "iftop" to view bandwidth from the terminal.  After you've installed it just run it with: sudo iftop -i interface
[00:39] <Gerowen> Replace the word interface with the correct interface designation; i.e. eth0
[00:39] <gueriLLaPunK> lol i just typed interface
[00:39] <gueriLLaPunK> and it said no such device
[00:39] <gueriLLaPunK> oh nice! thanks
[00:40] <Gerowen> gueriLLaPunK: No problem, :-)
[00:40] <gueriLLaPunK> the rate are in bits, i assume?
[00:40] <gueriLLaPunK> 256Mb
[00:40] <gueriLLaPunK> Yeah, must be
[00:41] <Gerowen> gueriLLaPunK: Yeah it scales depending on how much you're using, you'll notice the numbers up top will change depending on how much use the interface is actually getting.
[00:43] <KI4RO> .
[00:43] <gueriLLaPunK> wow, ive peaked at 519Mb
[00:43] <Jess11> I installed an ubuntu server in the ubuntu server i am setting up a basic IRC using IRC -hybrd ..from my client using Xchat i cannot get it to connect any suggestions
[00:44] <dr_willis> Jess11:  try a differnet client. like weechat or irssi. it may give a more detailed error message
[00:45] <battlehands> how do I open a .sh file in vi and edit it?  I'm trying to set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and I can't past the directory that I want to set it at into the file when it is opened in vi
[00:45] <battlehands> please advise
[00:45] <Gerowen> Jess11: I've never set up an IRC server, but the first thing I would check is that the service is running and the port it's listening on is actually open on your fireall.
[00:45] <dr_willis>    vi /the/path/to/whatever.sh
[00:46] <dr_willis> as to using vi... well.. theres tutorials out for that.
[00:46] <dr_willis> theres the vimtutor program thats worth checking out
[00:46] <histo> +1 for vimtutor
[00:47] <dr_willis> if using vi on the console. the gpm  tool is worth installing. it gives you mouse support on the console
[00:47] <histo> yuck no need for mouse in vi
[00:48] <dr_willis> its handy at times
[00:48] <Jess11> what is the command used to check all servics I believe Iam typing it in wrong
[00:49] <histo> Jess11: What are you typing?
[00:49] <Jess11> $ sudo service httpd status..
[00:50] <histo> Jess11: you could do sudo status httpd
[00:51] <histo> Jess11: or sudo service --status-all  to see all services
[00:52] <Jess11> thank you histo
[00:52] <Acibi> I'm looking for some info about the libreoffice-java-common package...
[00:53] <Acibi> Does it have something different from the .deb I can download from LibreOffice?
[00:55] <roger_> Anyone have any ideas why after setting up DNS server (bind9) on xubuntu the connection manager says not connected yet I still have internet?
[00:58] <battlehands> I open a .sh file in vi, but I'm unable to edit it.  Please advise....
[00:58] <mIKEjONES> do you have permissions?
[00:59] <roger_> sudo vi 'your file'?
[00:59] <fox_wilson> battlehands: I assume you know basic vi commands, if you don't, you have to hit "i" to start inserting text.
[00:59] <roger_> Anyone have any ideas why after setting up DNS server (bind9) on xubuntu the connection manager says not connected yet I still have internet?
[01:02] <fox_wilson> roger_: Perhaps xubuntu is trying to use your local bind9, which might not be configured properly?
[01:02] <StoneCypherAtWor> I am having a crazy difficult time getting grub to come up on my uefi box, and since i'm at work, i'm getting a little desperate
[01:02] <StoneCypherAtWor> the machine just keeps booting to windows no matter what i try
[01:03] <StoneCypherAtWor> all the instructions say i'm supposed to be able to select from the bios which operating system comes up, but i don't see that anywhere
[01:03] <Jess11> @ histo how do I see which port is available on my server? or anyone
[01:03] <roger_> fox_wilson: yeah totally plausible. its more a curiosity atm
[01:03] <fox_wilson> Jess11: as in which ones are open? you could use nmap
[01:03] <Jess11> yes fox
[01:04] <fox_wilson> Jess11: You can run "nmap yourmachineip" and it will list open ports
[01:05] <Bsadowski1> Hey all. :)
[01:06] <Bsadowski1> I got a weird GRUB error when loading the BIOS in VirtualBox (running version 12.10 32-bit). It happened just after I updated it. Is that normal?
[01:06] <Jess11> @ fox for some reason that is not working
[01:07] <Bsadowski1> I'll take a screenshot. :)
[01:08] <Evpok> Hi. Anyone here who use custom xkb symbols?
[01:13] <roger_> Jess11: apt-get install nmap
[01:13] <rob_p> Jess11: sudo netstat -lpnut
[01:14] <rob_p> Jess11: nmap will give you the info from a network perspective. netstat will give it to you from a software perspective...
[01:15] <wellwhy> Can somebody help me? I have tried a USB Disk with Unetbootin, and I am trying Dual boot windows, but dualboot gives me an mbildr.mbr error of it being missing or corrupted. I checked, and it is in C: and in winboot. How do I get it to work?
[01:15] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Windows is failing to boot?
[01:16] <wellwhy> No, windows is fine, when I select Ubuntu as the boot option is gives a C:/Ubuntu/winboot/mbildr.mbr
[01:16] <wellwhy> error
[01:16] <wellwhy> It says it is missing or corrupt
[01:17] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Did you use Wubi?
[01:17] <wellwhy> I think..?
[01:17] <wellwhy> I used the easy windows installer
[01:17] <wellwhy> it has wubi folder and internals
[01:18] <wellwhy> it says wubi in a few places
[01:18] <wellwhy> so yes
[01:21] <wellwhy> Yeah it is wubi
[01:21] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Sorry my internet was acting up.  I'm not an expert on exactly how Wubi works though, so I don't know how much help I'll be.
[01:21] <wellwhy> Any help works
[01:21] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Your goal is to dual boot right?  Have you tried booting from an Ubuntu CD and installing normally and just letting it resize your Windows partition?
[01:22] <wellwhy> That is what dual boot does, I think. But to answer your question, no, and I dont really want to take a chance on a disk if it ends up not working
[01:24] <Gerowen> wellwhy: I've never really used Wubi, so maybe somebody here who has will see your issue.  Have you tried posting it on the forums at www.ubuntuforums.org?  It'd get more visibility there.
[01:24] <wellwhy> Yeah, I have and no luck sadly
[01:25] <wellwhy> i have tried booting ubuntu for at least a month
[01:26] <hydrozen> The login screen on my ubuntu install always displays an onscreen keyboard. Is there any way I can disable that?
[01:27] <Gerowen> wellwhy: Does it work when you boot from the LiveCD?  If you burn the ISO to a DVD or put it on a thumb drive, then boot from that, it doesn't automatically start installing, you can do a "try before you buy" kind of thing where it will run in RAM without touching your hard drive until you hit the "install" button on the desktop.
[01:27] <wellwhy> I have tried that, and my monitor goes to sleep and nothing happens after I have tried both options using a USB. On my laptop I got the purple ubuntu and the orange dots but then a black screen.
[01:28] <jasunto> wow ubuntu runs great on the intel NUC
[01:28] <DaemonicApathy> jasunto: Of course it does. It's Intel.
[01:28] <jasunto> im amazed, replaced mac mini server with it, may replace my desktop with it
[01:29] <tonsofpcs> with what?
[01:29] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy are you running one?
[01:29] <DaemonicApathy> No, but I plan to in the future.
[01:29] <DaemonicApathy> tonsofpcs: Intel NUC
[01:29] <tonsofpcs> ah
[01:30] <tonsofpcs> jasunto: looking to sell the mac mini?
[01:30] <jasunto> i had some questions, was looking for someone else using one
[01:30] <melty> lol
[01:30] <jasunto> mac mini server is sold
[01:30] <DaemonicApathy> What kind of questions?
[01:31] <tonsofpcs> my one problem with the mini is Intel graphics...
[01:31] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy i wasnt sure about USB storage in the fstab, i want usb external to be the main storage outside of the system SSD, dropbox complains that its folder is gone, im thinking fstab may mount it earlier and eliminate
[01:32] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy oh and you cant beat the intel sound when you open the box
[01:32] <wellwhy> Gerowen: I have tried that, and my monitor goes to sleep and nothing happens after I have tried both options using a USB. On my laptop I got the purple ubuntu and the orange dots but then a black screen.
[01:32] <jasunto> tonsofpcs my mini had nvidia, had to jump through some hoops but ran well on there, had some bad disks, replaced botha nd sold
[01:32] <DaemonicApathy> Many people here should be able to help you with fstab. Personally, I would make sure /home is on the external as well
[01:33] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy i dont really use home, this is my home server so it is a dropbox/usenet/torrent/l2tp/smb/ftp/ssh/ server and mroe
[01:34]  * tonsofpcs might be buying a NUC.... need to figure out storage
[01:34] <DaemonicApathy> Where do you put your files, jasunto?
[01:35] <jasunto> on the external
[01:35] <DaemonicApathy> Then having a /home partition on it, to make it the default destination...might help? :-)
[01:35] <sin_tax> can anyone help me fix this problem with my kernel? http://pastebin.com/FMAL2abU
[01:36] <jasunto> i know /home on the external would be cool, but worried about boot and availability, easier to route downloads and such to external which happens ot be /media/jasunto/Data right now
[01:36] <bin_bash> sin_tax, did you actually read the error? It seems like you didn't. Go read it.
[01:36] <sin_tax> bin_bash, yes, I did
[01:36] <DaemonicApathy> *shrug* Whatever works for you, jasunto. Sounds like I gave you too little credit anyway.
[01:37] <bin_bash> sin_tax, did you run apt-get autoremove?
[01:37] <sin_tax> yes, I get the same error 'You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.' deal bin_bash
[01:37] <bin_bash> sin_tax, did you do that?
[01:38] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy yeah it runs headless, would like the usb to act more like internal storage and i think fstab could do that for me.
[01:38] <sin_tax> yeah, I think that is in the paste, it gives an error of a different type bin_bash  =/
[01:38] <DaemonicApathy> Sounds good to me. So anyone who's good with fstab should be able to help you, whatever device they may have.
[01:39] <bin_bash> sin_tax, sudo apt get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:40] <sin_tax> bin_bash, that is giving me the unmet dependencies error again, I seem to be in a catch 22
[01:40] <Sorinan> After configuring NFS4 with krb5p, I can't cd into my exported folder as a normal user, solely as root. What can be happening? This is what ls -lhAn show as normal user: "d?????????   ? ?    ?       ?            ? home" and as root user "drwxr-xr-x   7 0 0 4,0K Jan 31 17:01 home"
[01:41] <bin_bash> wait a sec, sin_tax  linux-server : Depends: linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.44) but <IP_ADDRESS>.45 is installed
[01:41] <bin_bash> it's trying to downgrade
[01:41] <sin_tax> yeah, I don't understand why
[01:41] <bin_bash> sin_tax, you broke something
[01:41] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy you wont be disappointed with the NUC and ubuntu, may get one for desktop too. the bios supports everything even intel vt and efi
[01:41] <sin_tax> =(
[01:41] <bin_bash> sin_tax, uname -a paste it here
[01:41] <jasunto> DaemonicApathy looks like it has OC setting too
[01:41] <DaemonicApathy> Nice.
[01:42] <jasunto> tonsofpcs ubuntu 12.10 boots and runs flawlessly on mac hardware with efi support
[01:42] <sin_tax> bin_bash, Linux codex 3.2.0-37-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 24 15:28:10 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:42] <magma> is wikipedia down?
[01:43] <fox_wilson> magma: nope
[01:43] <magma> it came back
[01:43] <TheTwistedAlchem> Hello.
[01:44] <jasunto> question changed, anyone good with usb storage in fstab that can help?
[01:45] <bin_bash> sin_tax, that is very interesting
[01:46] <bin_bash> sin_tax, uname -r please
[01:46] <sin_tax> bin_bash, 3.2.0-37-generic
[01:48] <bin_bash> sin_tax, I didn't see you do apt-get autoremove
[01:49] <bin_bash> sin_tax, is this a server or a desktop
[01:49] <sin_tax> bin_bash, that wasn't in the paste, but here is the output: http://pastebin.com/jdFf40Bx
[01:49] <sin_tax> bin_bash, it is headless, server
[01:50] <escott_> jasunto, just ask
[01:50] <bin_bash> sin_tax, hm
[01:50] <bin_bash> sin_tax, try aptitude hold linux
[01:51] <jrib> sin_tax: pastebin output of « sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy linux-server linux-image-server linux-headers-server »
[01:52] <Sorinan> After configuring NFS4 with krb5p, I can't cd into my exported folder as a normal user, solely as root. What can be happening? This is what ls -lhAn show as normal user: "d?????????   ? ?    ?       ?            ? home" and as root user "drwxr-xr-x   7 0 0 4,0K Jan 31 17:01 home"
[01:52] <escott_> Sorinan, do the uids match up
[01:52] <sin_tax> bin_bash, should I do this? http://pastebin.com/VQMUpWBM
[01:53] <bin_bash> do what?
[01:53] <Sorinan> escott, at least for the user that I'm testing and root, yes (i haven't setup LDAP yet)
[01:53] <sin_tax> the last line prompts to remove a ton of stuff bin_bash
[01:53] <bin_bash> sin_tax, what command did you do?
[01:53] <sin_tax> bin_bash, aptitude hold linux
[01:54] <bin_bash> hm
[01:54] <bin_bash> no
[01:54] <bin_bash> you should not
[01:54] <sin_tax> jrib, http://pastebin.com/8afvvR6E is the output of the commands you sent
[01:55] <jrib> sin_tax: you did not give the full output
[01:55] <Sorinan> escott, the strange thing is, that with a almost exactly configuration (or as long as I can recall), a machine with ubuntu 12.10 works perfectly, but the machine with 12.04.2 does not
[01:55] <bin_bash> sin_tax, you could try aptitude autoclean
[01:56] <sin_tax> jrib, I assumed you didn't want the update stuff, here is the full output: http://pastebin.com/dz2mYUzi
[01:56] <jrib> sin_tax: output of « sudo apt-get install linux-server »?
[01:56] <escott_> !info linux-server
[01:57] <bin_bash> waut
[01:57] <bin_bash> wait
[01:57] <bin_bash> wait
[01:57] <FloodBot1> bin_bash: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:57] <bin_bash> !info linux
[01:57] <ibiza> ciao
[01:57] <jrib> it's transitional in 12.10, but I don't remember when the kernels server and generic kernels merged.  Do you know offhand escott_ ?
[01:57] <sin_tax> jrib, http://pastebin.com/AvPCRLZH
[01:57] <bin_bash> wow. the ubuntu kernel is REALLLLY behind
[01:57] <escott_> jrib, i couldnt figure out what that package was
[01:58] <jrib> sin_tax: sudo apt-get install linux-server=<IP_ADDRESS>.45
[01:58] <jrib> !info linux-server precise
[01:58] <sin_tax> jrib, autoclean seemed to remove a few things but had no real effect on the problem
[01:58] <jrib> !info linux-image-server precise
[01:58] <sin_tax> jrib, same error: http://pastebin.com/PWW57L3Q
[01:58] <jrib> not sure what the difference is :)
[01:58] <loudaslife> I'm sorry if this is a bad time, but I'm a linux noob as well as an IRC noob looking for help.
[01:59] <bin_bash> !ask | loudaslife
[01:59] <nearst> hi ppl
[02:00] <ibiza> list
[02:00] <loudaslife> I somehow botched an xubuntu install badly enough that I only have a guest account.
[02:00] <sin_tax> bin_bash, jrib I appreciate your help; I have to run out to pick up my daughter, will be back in ~25 minutes or so if either of you care to continue helping then I would appreciate it, if not, thanks for trying =)
[02:00] <slash25> Hi the all
[02:00] <bin_bash> loudaslife, sounds like ya dun goof'd
[02:00] <escott_> !rescue | loudaslife
[02:00] <bin_bash> loudaslife, boot into a live cd, chroot, add a new user, be done with it
[02:01] <loudaslife> Thanks, will try!
[02:01] <escott_> loudaslife, thats not what i wanted. there is a rescue mode which is single user root mode. you can create a user there
[02:01] <escott_> !single
[02:01] <ibiza>  “!list”
[02:01] <jrib> sin_tax: you can probably get by by removing "linux-server" and installing it again
[02:01] <bin_bash> jrib, that's probably a terrible idea.
[02:01] <jrib> bin_bash: nah, it's just a meta-package
[02:02] <bin_bash> No it's not
[02:02] <bin_bash> it's ubuntu server's kernel
[02:02] <jrib> bin_bash: it's a package that depends on a package that depends on a package that is ubuntu's kernel :)
[02:02] <Jouva> Just updated my server the other day, and suddenly I can't connect to any destination of one of the IPs on the same machine regardless of port. But it's allowing connections from the outside. I don't tend to use any firewall. What might be going on?
[02:02] <bin_bash> jrib, it's the actual kernel.
[02:03] <jrib> bin_bash: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/linux-server
[02:03] <bin_bash> jrib, because it's a headless server, removing that package could actually damage the system. Besides. He doesn't WANT to downgrade
[02:04] <jrib> bin_bash: as I said, it's a metapackage.  I'm not advising him to downgrade...
[02:04] <bin_bash> jrib, if you read the problem, aptitude is trying to downgrade from .45 to .44
[02:04] <jrib> bin_bash: no, that's not the problem
[02:05] <bin_bash> Yes it is. Did you read the whole thread? When trying to apt-get upgrade, it wants to downgrade but can't because dependencies.
[02:05] <bin_bash> Anyway, jrib, it doesn't matter
[02:05] <bin_bash> he's not here anymore.
[02:05] <LantzR> there are always others listening ...
[02:06] <tonsofpcs> did you update first, bin_bash ?
[02:06] <nearst> ubuntu system always look for stable package or better release ?
[02:06] <bin_bash> tonsofpcs, oh my god.
[02:06] <ePirat> Hello
[02:06] <tonsofpcs> are your repositories all proper?
[02:07] <ePirat> I have a problem, I made a clean ubuntu install using the windows installer
[02:07] <ePirat> now I cannot login
[02:07] <nearst> ePirat, why cannot login?
[02:07] <jrib> bin_bash: dpkg tries to configure linux-server but doesn't succeed because it depends on linux-image-server=.44 and .45 is installed.  As to how it ended up this way, I don't know :)  But getting apt to just forget about linux-server and installing .45 of linux-server should "just work"
[02:07] <tonsofpcs> ePirat: turn capslock or numlock on/off and try again
[02:07] <ePirat> nearst, says wrong password every time
[02:07] <ePirat> tonsofpcs, I did :P I am sure I entered it correct
[02:07] <ePirat> tried it for 10 minutes…
[02:07] <bin_bash> ePirat, boot into SUM and then reset the password
[02:07] <tonsofpcs> ePirat: eh, for 10 minutes just reinstall :-p
[02:07] <ePirat> I am absolutely sure
[02:08] <ePirat> bin_bash, how do I do?
[02:08] <drag0nius> how do i make postgresql server listen?
[02:08] <tonsofpcs> drag0nius: edit its config and then restart the daemon
[02:08] <drag0nius> i've added listen_addresses = '*' and port = 5432 and it still does not listen
[02:08] <melty> lol
[02:08] <bin_bash> ePirat,
[02:08] <drag0nius> added my client comp in pg_hba.conf
[02:08] <bin_bash> http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub
[02:08] <bin_bash> ePirat, ^
[02:08] <ePirat> thanks
[02:09] <drag0nius> directory for both files is /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main
[02:10] <drag0nius> is there anything more to modify?
[02:10] <jasunto> can anyone the best way to expand ubuntu-root in lvm once i have done the lvmreduce on swap, easiest way to expand root to fill up free space
[02:13] <LantzR> drag0nius: on a new install I tend to forget creating a db with my profile name.    [ createdb $USER ]
[02:13] <drag0nius> my python app is using it locally without problems
[02:13] <drag0nius> for like half year, but now i want to access it from other comp and can't
[02:15] <ibiza> ciao
[02:15] <ibiza> dvd
[02:16] <bin_bash> drag0nius, did you check your router settings to make sure the local IP is static?
[02:16] <drag0nius> this server is my router :)
[02:17] <Jouva> I'm having problems connecting to IPs that are on the same machine which the connection is being initiated from. Not using localhost, using one of the IPs or host names that resolve to those IPs. iptables is completely empty.  Does Steam not work in it yet or something?
[02:23] <bin_bash> drag0nius, oh. you didn't say that. you said the computer was the router
[02:23] <drag0nius> host all all <IP_ADDRESS>/32 md5

[02:24] <sin_tax> bin_bash, jrib hey, so should I remove linux_server or no? 0_0
[02:24] <bin_bash> drag0nius, is that correct though? did you check to make sure that it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:24] <bin_bash> sin_tax, i guess
[02:25] <drag0nius> yep my comp is on static ip
[02:25] <jrib> sin_tax: you can do "sudo apt-get remove linux-server"  it should only be removing the "linux-server" package.  If it prompts you for other things, pastebin
[02:25] <SolarisBoy> Bsadowski1: 'OpenGL Warning: Failed to connect to host. Make sure 3D acceleration is enabled for this VM.' in your post seems to be a relevant error
[02:25] <piero> Do you have MTP transfer protocol working? Which doc did u read?
[02:26] <sin_tax> ok, successfully removed, jrib, should I reinstall it now or do an apt-get upgrade first?
[02:26] <jrib> sin_tax: now do "sudo apt-get install linux-server"
[02:26] <bin_bash> ^
[02:26] <Bsadowski1> But when I tried to do that, SolarisBoy, it popped up another error. I'm wondering if it could be a problem with the OpenGL video driver.s
[02:26] <Bsadowski1> -s
[02:26] <sin_tax> OK, that seemed to work jrib
[02:27] <bin_bash> sin_tax, now do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:27] <jrib> sin_tax: you can try upgrade now in case you have upgrades available that apt wasn't letting you do before.  I'm not sure how your apt ended up in the broken state though, do you have any idea/
[02:27] <SolarisBoy> Bsadowski1: or possibly OpenGL in a VM (or your VM on your host machine with it's settings) is not working properly?
[02:27] <sin_tax> bin_bash, just did and everything seems nice - Thanks very much jrib and bin_bash
[02:27] <sin_tax> jrib, my /boot got full (I think maybe in the middle of an upgrade?)
[02:28] <sin_tax> for some reason I had a bunch of old kernels hanging out there
[02:28] <bin_bash> yikes
[02:29] <LantzR> drag0nius: sorry I got distracted rl. It was local that _has_ been working?
[02:29] <drag0nius> yep
[02:29] <drag0nius> i don't think postgres reads those config files
[02:29] <sin_tax> anyways, you guys are my heroes, thanks so much again bin_bash / jrib ... I am off to do some work... take care
[02:30] <bin_bash> heh
[02:30] <savagecroc> how can i check if there is an upgrade for a package?
[02:30] <jrib> sin_tax: no problem
[02:31] <savagecroc> apt-get --just-print upgrade
[02:32] <gaelfx> after the most recent kernel update, my wireless isn't working. It tries to connect, but fails every time, could someone help me diagnose/fix the problem?
[02:32] <LantzR> drag0nius: always has done so for me. A different trap is a firewall blockinq $PGPORT from those pesky foreign computers.
[02:32] <_helios_> I was looking over a few text based browser's anyone have any suggestions on the best one to get?
[02:33] <bin_bash> gaelfx, did you reboot?
[02:33] <gaelfx> bin_bash: yes
[02:33] <bin_bash> gaelfx, did you ry downgrading the kernel?
[02:33] <gaelfx> bin_bash: I even tried rebooting into the older kernel, but it still doesn't work
[02:33] <bin_bash> hm
[02:34] <bin_bash> gaelfx, when you say "booting into the older kernel" what do you mean
[02:35] <gaelfx> bin_bash: booted up into grub, selected the previous kernel image to boot from rather than the newly installed one (.36 rather than .37, in precise btw)
[02:35] <dr_willis> _helios_:  lynx  links  w3m    are 3.. may be more in the repos
[02:35] <topper4125> !info lynx | _helios_
[02:35] <_helios_> dr_willis: there was one called elinks was gonna give it a shot
[02:36] <bin_bash> gaelfx, no offense, but are you /sure/ the older kernel was what you booted into? usually when you upgrade the kernel it's overwritten
[02:36] <Chegy> Hi guys! Any of you want to help out regarding c++?
[02:36] <dr_willis> old ones get forked and renamed a lot   ;-)
[02:36] <decci> Ubuntu 12.04.1 doesnt come with open-iscsi package. I want to add it during the installation time
[02:36] <decci> How to do that
[02:36] <dr_willis> ubuntu keeps all old kernel's
[02:36] <gaelfx> bin_bash: hang on
[02:36] <SolarisBoy> decci: use a preseed file
[02:36] <bin_bash> dr_willis, my box doesn't.
[02:37] <SolarisBoy> decci: or you can roll your own custom installer
[02:37] <decci> SolarisBoy: Whats that
[02:37] <gaelfx> bin_bash: yes, uname returns the .36 kernel
[02:37] <dr_willis> you are in a frankenbox tgen
[02:37] <decci> SolarisBoy: How to do it
[02:37] <SolarisBoy> decci: a way to automate installations and at the least add a package
[02:37] <Nach0z> frankenbox sounds awesome
[02:37] <bin_bash> gaelfx, which wireless card is it?
[02:37] <decci> SolarisBoy: Is there any way I can addd this driver during install time?
[02:37] <escott_> Chegy, there is a #c++ channel which would be more appropriate for general c++ questions
[02:37] <dr_willis> ive seen 12+ old kernels befor
[02:38] <SolarisBoy> decci: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-using.html
[02:38] <SolarisBoy> decci: read up on that page
[02:38] <decci> SolarisBoy: ok
[02:38] <savagecroc> hi, i'm trying to upgrade postgres to 9.2.3 but it doesn't show up in apt-get --just-print upgrade
[02:39] <decci> savagecroc: Looks complicated
[02:39] <gaelfx> bin_bash: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[02:39] <SolarisBoy> decci: also there are several ways to create a custom installation media (like the installation DVD/CD) so you can try those as well if it looks more convenient
[02:39] <bin_bash> gaelfx, does it have a hardware switch
[02:40] <savagecroc> decci: shouldn't be it's just a bunch of bugs and security fixes
[02:40] <decci> SolarisBoy: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/creating-custom-ubuntu-live-cd-with-remastersys.html
[02:40] <gaelfx> bin_bash: nope, it even sees the network it normally connects to, it's just failing to connect to it for whatever reason
[02:40] <SolarisBoy> decci: sure ...
[02:40] <bin_bash> gaelfx, what kind of encryption is the network
[02:40] <SolarisBoy> savagecroc: seems like ubuntu keeps 9.1 in the standard repo's you may need to go out of the ubuntu repos for the version you require
[02:41] <savagecroc> ahhhh
[02:41] <SolarisBoy> atleast for 12.04.1
[02:41] <savagecroc> righhhht
[02:41] <decci> SolarisBoy: Can I add driver through remastersys
[02:41] <savagecroc> ok.. yeah i must have added some other source to get 9.2
[02:41] <SolarisBoy> decci: i have never used that
[02:41] <decci> SolarisBoy: Can you suggest me an easy way to add driver during install time
[02:41] <SolarisBoy> decci: i did =)
[02:42] <decci> SolarisBoy: Using preseeding seems like little complicated
[02:42] <gaelfx> bin_bash: wep
[02:42] <SolarisBoy> decci: heh it is what it is
[02:42] <decci> SolarisBoy: Cant I add drivers as I do with RHEL
[02:42] <bin_bash> gaelfx, what network manager are you using?
[02:42] <SolarisBoy> decci: rhel uses kickstart and thats equivalent to what you consider "difficult"
[02:42] <gaelfx> bin_bash: ifconfig seems to be reporting nearly half of Tx packets have errors
[02:42] <SolarisBoy> so same difference..
[02:43] <gaelfx> bin_bash: just the standard that came with precise, nothing fancy
[02:43] <bin_bash> gaelfx, that is very interesting. Sometimes wep has problems. is ther any way you can change it to wpa2 or wpa and try again?
[02:44] <gaelfx> bin_bash: no, it's one of those AT&T modem/router dealidos
[02:44] <ePirat> Ok thanks again password reset was successfull
[02:44] <bin_bash> gaelfx, so? you can connect to it via ehternet and change the settings
[02:44] <ePirat> just another quick question, whats this system reserved drive showing up every time? had never seen it before :o
[02:45] <FergusL> g++ / linker question, is there a way to know _exactly_ what files ld links against when executing ?
[02:45] <SolarisBoy> decci: can you clarify if you want to install drivers during setup that are non-standard etc, or if you need to have some driver to install your OS like some storage driver (iscsi,powerpath) etc?
[02:45] <FergusL> a -v or something
[02:45] <escott_> gaelfx, wep also stands for "weak encryption protocol"
[02:46] <decci> SolarisBoy: I am unable to install Ubuntu 12.04.1 on COmpellent SAN directly due to missing open-iscsi package
[02:46] <SolarisBoy> if it's the first you need to customize your CD/install media or use preseed files, if the latter im not sure but i do believe has a section in the install that asks if you need to load additional drivers
[02:46] <dr_willis> ePirat:  see what files are on it.. could be some windows recovery partition
[02:46] <decci> SolarisBoy:I want to inject this driver during install time
[02:46] <SolarisBoy> decci: ok thanks for explaining - i get you now
[02:47] <gaelfx> bin_bash: I sincerely doubt the problem is with the encryption, and I don't think changing it is a very good option. The problem seems to be on this machine's end, so anything I'm changing is gonna be here
[02:47] <gaelfx> escott_: thanks for that
[02:47] <bin_bash> gaelfx, I seriously think the problem is WEP. Because I've had this exact same problem. And using WPA/2 works.
[02:47] <decci> SolarisBoy: So what you suggest
[02:48] <SolarisBoy> decci: pause the installation before disk creation and switch TTY's install it there and switch back to the GUI to continue the installation if there is no set place to add additional drivers
[02:49] <gaelfx> bin_bash:  I think it's more likely that whatever new module for broadcom wireless came with the new kernel broke the functionality of my particular card
[02:49] <decci> SolarisBoy: Do you mean during Ubuntu installation time?
[02:49] <bin_bash> gaelfx, k. good luck figuring that ne out.
[02:49] <decci> SolarisBoy: Before the disk creation????
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> i guess you are right on that side because RHEL based systems do ask if you want to add additional drivers
[02:49] <SolarisBoy> decci: yes ....
[02:49] <bin_bash> gaelfx, go ahead and forget about my easy fix. And have fun debugging kernel modules
[02:50] <decci> SolarisBoy: When does the screen comes - before disk creation
[02:50] <SolarisBoy> decci: look into manually installing the driver - and switching TTY's.
[02:50] <_helios_> I was going to download the Ubuntu 13.04 beta and give it a try in Virtual Box is that possible?
[02:50] <dr_willis> _helios_:  yes
[02:50] <bin_bash> yes
[02:50] <bin_bash> why wouldn't it be?
[02:51] <_helios_> bin_bash: Is there a link for 13.04 or do I have to torrent it?
[02:51] <dr_willis> the 3d desktop effects and stuff may be very slow however.
[02:51] <bin_bash> _helios_, did you try google?
[02:51] <dr_willis> _helios_:  #ubuntu+1 for 13.04 info
[02:51] <ePirat> dr_willis, you are right, it is… can I somehow ignore it?
[02:52] <_helios_> Thanks dr_willis, bin_bash
[02:52] <al__> Silly question.. on standard ubuntu 12.10 installation w/ firefox, in firefox how can you specify/change the 9 tiles in about:startpage?  I can't find in about:config.
[02:52] <dr_willis> ePirat:  make a fstab entry for it  with 'noauto' and it might not show it by default in the fimle manager.
[02:53] <dr_willis> al__:  i was thinking you drag/drop items from the otehr pages... i did it once. ages ago
[02:54] <al__> dr_willis: no luck att.  such a silly problem to have.
[02:54] <dr_willis> ive noticed that ff on ubuntu with that ubuntu ff extension acts/looks a little differntly then a vanilla firefox setup also.
[02:54] <dr_willis> al__:  i may have that ubuntu ff plugin disabled.. im not on a pc to test right now. but i do recall it being odd how the differances were
[02:55] <dr_willis> al__:  i may also be thinking of how chrome did it. I seem to recall dragging an icon from one page, somehwer and it went to the main page.
[02:56] <dr_willis> whem i web browse these days im on my phone 90% of the time. :)
[02:58] <al__> dr_willis: yeah I think it's the ubuntu mod, which makes it more difficult to find an answer too :/
[02:59] <DeadWeasel> so, how to dual screen wallpapers in 12.04?  nitrogen wants to work, but doesn't....
[02:59] <DeadWeasel> i'm not sure more whiskey is the answer...
[02:59] <DeadWeasel> buuuuuut, it's worth a shot.
[02:59] <dr_willis> al__:  might be worth filing a bug report on that extension. but its gotten where i disable it by default sadly.
[02:59] <paijo> ohh jamputtt
[03:00] <TheUzer> hi
[03:00] <dr_willis> i just make a wide wallpaper pasted in gimp from 2 wallpapers ;)
[03:00] <TheUzer> o fudge
[03:01] <DeadWeasel> how to span it?  dr_willis
[03:01] <TheUzer> the ubuntu servers are on freenode
[03:01] <DeadWeasel> right now they are mirrored
[03:01] <dr_willis> DeadWeasel:  thats a feature of your video drivers/conmfigs.
[03:01] <DeadWeasel> ati 6770 proprietaries
[03:01] <dr_willis> DeadWeasel:  i just enable twinview for my nvidia cards in the ncidia control center
[03:02] <bin_bash> I don't think my video card even allows that ;.;
[04:27] <the_jeebster> so does the admin group have sudo privileges?
[04:27] <histo> the_jeebster: usermod -d    you can chnge their home
[04:27] <histo> the_jeebster: no the sudo group does if you are using ubunto. But it all depends on what your sudoers is set to.
[04:27] <the_jeebster> histo: interesting. even on 10.0.4 LTS? I'm following a tutorial and they seem to have everything working with a user just in the admin group
[04:27] <m000gle> Is there any way to get IBus to play nicely with Skype 4.1 in Ubuntu 12.10? ... IBus Chinese input works fine on all other software, but Skype seems to not be using IBus
[04:28] <derp> holy fucking script batman
[04:28] <histo> the_jeebster: In my sudoers on 12.04 they have admin and sudo groups enabled for root access
[04:28] <histo> !language | derp
[04:29] <derp> well there IS some serious flooding going on
[04:29] <derp> i think my fuck was warranted
[04:29] <derp> sorry
[04:29] <derp> f***
[04:29] <din> lol
[04:29] <FloodBot1> derp: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:30] <histo> !netsplit | derp
[04:31] <Bsadowski1> Hi derp.
[04:31] <derp> yesh
[04:31] <histo> the_jeebster: usermod username -d /new/home
[04:32] <the_jeebster> histo: thanks
[04:32] <swill215> Hi all.
[04:32] <histo> the_jeebster: assuming you don't want to move their files
[04:33] <histo> the_jeebster: you can add -m if you want to move the users files
[04:33] <makeawish> anyone know of a good chatrom for aws?
[04:33] <swill215> Is it just me, or does Ubuntu 12.10 no longer support USB & PS/2 devices?
[04:33] <histo> makeawish: /msg alis list *aws*
[04:33] <Elv1313> swill215: just you
[04:33] <histo> swill215: Yes none of us are using keyboards and mice
[04:34] <histo> I've been willing what I want to type for some time now.
[04:34] <bin_bash> I use the on-screen touch keyboard
[04:34] <Elv1313> most of them are PS2 emulated
[04:35] <swill215> Yes, because I am genuinely retarded to ask a question of that nature. Only plausible reason.
[04:35] <topper4125> 12.04 runs all my joysticks perfectly
[04:35] <swill215> Thanks for your support.
[04:35] <topper4125> plus my thumb drives, Printer, scanner, webcam, kindle
[04:36] <histo> swill215: lol What is your actual issue?
[04:36] <histo> !details | swill215
[04:36] <bin_bash> If you come in with a sarcastic question, you can't honestly expect a serious answer
[04:36] <swill215> histo: I am unable to use USB & PS/2 when booting from a DVD.
[04:37] <swill215> Ubuntu 12.10 64-bit
[04:37] <Elv1313> EFI or BIOS?
[04:37] <histo> swill215: So you can't use keybord rigth?
[04:37] <topper4125> swill215, do you need to adjust your bios?
[04:37] <`ingsoc> Something is changing my /etc/resolv.conf. Please help.
[04:37] <swill215> UEFI bios.
[04:37] <`ingsoc> I keep getting new DNS servers in there.
[04:38] <bin_bash> swill215, laptop or desktop
[04:38] <swill215> Desktop.
[04:38] <Elv1313> `ingsoc: resulv.conf is dynamically generated
[04:38] <bin_bash> have you tried other distros, swill215?
[04:38] <`ingsoc> Elv1313: I have the appropriate dns-servers line in /etc/network/interfaces. Somehow entries are being added to resolv.conf.
[04:39] <topper4125> swill215, did you verify the download?
[04:39] <topper4125> !verify | swill215
[04:39] <ACubed10> hello everyone
[04:40] <derp> if you're using a machine with ps2 perhaps an older distro say 10.04?
[04:40] <swill215> bin_bash: I have. With those I have full USB & PS/2 and no issues. Distros tried: BT5R3 (KDE), Ubuntu 11.10 (a disc I had lying around).
[04:40] <`ingsoc> Someone said something about commenting out dnsmasq yesterday, but it doesn't work.
[04:40] <histo> derp: shouldn't matter ps2 is still supported
[04:40] <`ingsoc> WHY IS UBUNTU SO FREAKING BOTNET?
[04:40] <derp> i know im reaching
[04:40] <ACubed10> I <3 Ubuntu
[04:40] <`ingsoc> I have another computer connected to the same network running Debian and this doesn't happen.
[04:40] <bin_bash> swill215, then use one of those.
[04:40] <`ingsoc> It makes me so upset.
[04:41] <`ingsoc> I was stupid enough to install Ubuntu and now I'm stuck with it.
[04:41] <bin_bash> `ingsoc, install gentoo then
[04:41] <swill215> The thing is that I downloaded the iso from Ubuntu.   The odd thing is that I can get to the entrance menu on if you wish to 'Try Ubuntu' or 'Install Ubuntu'.  I'm unsure on how to check it on a mac.
[04:45] <bin_bash> but apparently mommy didn't use the coat hanger properly
[04:45] <bin_bash> and you can't read
[04:45] <IdleOne> bin_bash: No swearing.
[04:45] <histo> `ingsoc: because when you use dhcp it pulls dns servers from your router and puts them in resolv.conf  using the resolvconf package.
[04:45] <bin_bash> swill215, in a terminal on OS X, tyep md5sum nameoffile.iso
[04:45] <`ingsoc> histo: Can I disable it pulling the dns servers?
[04:45] <histo> `ingsoc: If you read the top of the resolv.conf file you will see the notation "Hey this gets over written"
[04:45] <datsmoida> how can i make a background process stop sending stuff to my terminal ?
[04:45] <datsmoida> tried disown
[04:46] <histo> `ingsoc: the way to add your own custom entries Now since this behavior is to edit the head file I told you about.
[04:46] <histo> datsmoida: You could redirect the output. Or close the terminal and open a new one.
[04:46] <datsmoida> redirect it to what, how ?
[04:46] <`ingsoc> histo: I know that will get the correct entries in there, but it doesn't fix the problem.
[04:46] <datsmoida> /dev/null ?
[04:47] <histo> datsmoida: 2>/dev/null
[04:47] <histo> datsmoida: sorry > /dev/null
[04:47] <histo> `ingsoc: Okay then what's the problem?
[04:48] <swill215> Damn. bin_bash left :(
[04:48] <histo> `ingsoc: the top entries are used first and your will be first.
[04:48] <histo> swill215: I believe he left by force
[04:48] <histo> !md5sum | swill215
[04:48] <`ingsoc> histo: What's the file again?
[04:48] <histo> `ingsoc: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[04:49] <`ingsoc> histo: It says I shouldn't edit it?
[04:49] <histo> `ingsoc: Yeah that's where that commment in /etc/resolv.conf comes from.
[04:50] <swill215> histo: I tried to check for the md5sum. According to it, the file cannot be verified.
[04:50] <tgm4883> histo, actually he should edit base no?
[04:50] <`ingsoc> histo: And there's no way I can stop the Ubuntu botnet getting DNS servers from my router?
[04:50] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, ubuntu botnet?
[04:50] <tgm4883> I feel I missed something
[04:50] <histo> `ingsoc: Please stop it's not a botnet it's the resolvconf package doing it.
[04:50] <tgm4883> histo, maybe he's making a botnet?
[04:51] <`ingsoc> I have a dns-servers line in /etc/network/interfaces, but Ubuntu ignores it.
[04:51] <histo> tgm4883: No he's just very saulty
[04:51] <`ingsoc> Lol.
[04:51] <histo> `ingsoc: becuase they don't belong there.
[04:51] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, as it should
[04:51] <`ingsoc> So do I edit base or head?
[04:52] <kumarat9pm> how to do watermarking with shutter screenshot tool?
[04:52] <histo> `ingsoc: the head
[04:52] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[04:52] <`ingsoc> Sure. I will.
[04:52] <tgm4883> histo, putting DNS servers in /etc/networking/interfaces is perfectly valid if we're talking about a server
[04:52] <histo> `ingsoc: just put your dns servers in the head file and restart networking or resolvconf all will be happy. Then go find something else to complain and freak out about that your don't understand.
[04:53] <`ingsoc> It works perfectly fine on Debian.
[04:53] <tgm4883> histo, are we talking about a server or desktop?
[04:53] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, still waiting on that file
[04:53] <histo> tgm4883: Yeah if he wasn't using network manager which overwrites it.
[04:53] <Rabblerouser> :> I have a knack for breaking the GUI
[04:53] <`ingsoc> Sec, I need to blank out the IPs.
[04:53]  * histo slaps forehead
[04:53] <tgm4883> histo, if he's using network manager, why isn't he putting his DNS servers in there?
[04:54] <`ingsoc> I'm using a static ip.
[04:54] <histo> tgm4883: idk.
[04:54] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, so what?
[04:54] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, you can put a static IP in network manager
[04:54] <kumarat9pm> any onehere?
[04:54] <histo> tgm4883: because he doens't understand how these programs manage is network connection.
[04:54] <histo> kumarat9pm: no
[04:54] <kumarat9pm> :)
[04:54] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, heck, you can use a dynamic IP address in network manager and still have it use specific dns servers
[04:54] <kumarat9pm> is it for shutter or you?
[04:54] <swill215> histo: I tried to verify the file. According to it, the file cannot be verified.
[04:54] <Rabblerouser> Was installing Audacity, when Software Center and the rest of Ubuntu locked up. Now I'm rebooted and I'm running everything through Terminal since I have no GUI :(
[04:55] <histo> swill215: That's not good. So your iso is corrupt
[04:55] <dydzEz2> anyone have problems where when trying to install ubuntu alongside winodws 8, the ubuntu install doesnt see the windows 8 partitions
[04:55] <histo> Rabblerouser: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[04:55] <`ingsoc> http://pastebin.com/E8J5C7xD
[04:55] <tgm4883> corrupt iso's are easily fixable via torrents or zsync
[04:55] <`ingsoc> I removed the IP addresses.
[04:56] <swill215> histo: That is the official download from Ubuntu. I had another disc with 12.04.1 LTS 64bit & that refused to even boot.
[04:56] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, ok, and why don't you want to use network manager again?
[04:56] <histo> swill215: Well aparently it's not the official download if the md5sum don't match
[04:56] <`ingsoc> I'm ocd so I don't want to.
[04:56] <tgm4883> swill215, could have been corrupted during download
[04:56] <histo> swill215: aparently a few bytes or bits are messed up.
[04:56] <`ingsoc> It's hard to explain.
[04:56] <`ingsoc> I want to do it this way.
[04:56] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, I've gathered it's very hard to explain things to you
[04:57] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, so apt-get remove network-manager?
[04:57] <`ingsoc> Why are you being mean to me?
[04:57] <histo> `ingsoc: Are these internal ips that you blacked out?
[04:57] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, i've read the backlog, you started it
[04:57] <`ingsoc> Yes.
[04:57] <`ingsoc> They're internal.
[04:57] <`ingsoc> Except for the dns-servers line.
[04:57] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, you're being overly paranoid about your internal IP addresses
[04:58] <`ingsoc> I have network-manager disable as a service.
[04:58]  * shuduo is away: auto-away
[04:58] <`ingsoc> Well, hackers.
[04:58] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, considering you aren't blocking people from seeing your external/public IP address
[04:58] <`ingsoc> I'm scared, okay?
[04:58] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, no
[04:58] <`ingsoc> I'm behind a proxy.
[04:58] <histo> `ingsoc: You do realize that you are connected to an irc network that reveals your ip address right?
[04:58] <`ingsoc> Yes.
[04:59] <histo> `ingsoc: and that your internal ips are not accessible from the outside world.
[04:59] <`ingsoc> Yes, I know.
[04:59] <`ingsoc> But ocd doesn't work that way.
[04:59] <histo> wow
[04:59] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, it's pretty obvious you don't understand how networking works (don't worry, most people don't), but if network manager is overwriting your DNS entries why not remove it
[05:00] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, you keep using that (ocd). I do not think it means what you think it means
[05:00] <`ingsoc> tgm4883: So let me get this straight. Ubuntu knowingly includes bloat to complicate network configuration through network-manager?
[05:01] <histo> `ingsoc: No to simplify network configuration.
[05:01] <`ingsoc> I'm worried that it'll kill my connection if I remove network-manager.
[05:01] <histo> `ingsoc: And you don't have to install it. either.
[05:01] <`ingsoc> I made the mistake of installing Ubuntu.
[05:01] <tgm4883> `ingsoc, so let me get this straight.  XD
[05:03] <`ingsoc> That's absurd!
[05:03] <tgm4883> lol
[05:03] <`ingsoc> Ubuntu is forcing me here because it stole my time and now I can't reinstall.
[05:03] <topper4125> if you have to re-install... try ubuntu minimal install... comes with nothing that is needed.
[05:03] <`ingsoc> I'm stuck with it until it breaks.
[05:03] <tgm4883> Phillip, we are trying to help you
[05:03] <`ingsoc> One sec. I'll brb.
[05:03] <histo> `ingsoc: becuase you have some jacked up way that you want to configure networking that isn't going to work and refuse to take any advise on how to fix it. Good luck to you in your ventures. I'm done.
[05:04] <histo> Insane
[05:04] <tgm4883> histo, it's people like that why I'm not mod of this channel
[05:04] <tgm4883> histo, if he comes back, ping me. I'm leaving to get some cake
[05:04]  * histo deep breaths
[05:04] <dell1> I have an external hard drive and would like to format it to ext3; does anybody know how can I do that? I am using GParted but I do not know what should be the partition table type.
[05:05] <histo> I'm still waiting for my laptop to run out of battery this is rediculous. New ssd is sick and laptop-mode-tools etc...
[05:05] <tgm4883> dell1, MBR?
[05:05]  * shuduo is back (gone 00:07:21)
[05:05] <histo> dell1: You can make any partition table you want. Do you want one big partition?
[05:05] <Jouva> I'm having problems connecting to IPs that are on the same machine which the connection is being initiated from. I'm not using localhost; I'm using one of the IPs or host names that resolve to those IPs. iptables is completely empty. Thoughts?
[05:05] <dell1> tgm4883: I am not sure, but it says the default is MS-DOS partition table
[05:06] <tgm4883> dell1, that should be fine I think
[05:06] <dell1> histo: Yes I do
[05:06] <tgm4883> I think the other option is GPT
[05:06] <Elv1313> dell1: use it
[05:06] <histo> Jouva: Do you mind clarifying a little.
[05:06] <histo> dell1: use gpt and create a big partition.
[05:07] <dell1> histo: I want to format my NTFS external hard disk to ext3 (1TB)
[05:07] <histo> dell1: wlel then just mkfs.ext3 /dev/of/exteral/drive
[05:07] <tgm4883> dell1, why not ext4?
[05:07] <histo> dell1: no need to repartition.
[05:07] <Elv1313> dell1: Use MS-DOS partition format and use an ext3 or ext4 partition
[05:07] <tgm4883> yea, no need to repartition, just format
[05:07] <vnc786> go can I run websites on ubuntu which requries IE ? i tried installing ie4linux  but its not working..can some give some hint..i have tried winetricks, ie4linux
[05:08] <tgm4883> I'd recommend ext4 if you don't have a specific reason for ext3
[05:08] <dell1> MS-DOS or GPT?
[05:08] <tgm4883> really out now, cake time
[05:08] <Elv1313> MS-DOS
[05:08] <histo> dell1: gpt for large disks
[05:08] <histo> Elv1313: please stop
[05:08] <dell1> I found that ext3 is more compatible between distros
[05:08] <wiggmpk> tgm4883: bring enough for the rest of the class =P
[05:08] <Elv1313> histo: GPT partition sheme have issues on older systems
[05:09] <histo> Elv1313: msdos partition scheme can't address larger disks
[05:09] <Rabblerouser> Well I got my unity back, but sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a is taking FOREVER with no 'updates' on its progress
[05:09] <histo> Elv1313: that's why we have gpt
[05:09] <Jouva> histo: Ok. So I don't want to give away my IPs so for the sake of discussion we can just assume 169.254.x.x is actually public routable. Those aren't the IPs I'm using mind you.
[05:09] <Elv1313> histo: it can be extended to support 4tb just fine and it have better compatibility
[05:09] <Rabblerouser> Scratch that. Just got a return: "/usr/sbin/kpkg-reconfigure: man-db is broken or not fully installed"
[05:10] <dell1> Align to: Mib/Sylinder/None
[05:10] <dell1> ?
[05:10] <histo> Jouva<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is your ip
[05:10] <Jouva> this is not the machine in question I am on
[05:10] <Jouva> it's my server
[05:10] <histo> dell1: How large is this disk?
[05:10] <Jouva> histo: Publicly routable, in a data center
[05:11] <dell1> What should I choose in Align to: Mib/Sylinder/None? (I want to have one partition, 1TB)
[05:11] <dell1> I mean whole disk as one partition
[05:11] <histo> Elv1313: And how old of a machine would it have to be to not support gpt. I highly doubt they will run into that issue.
[05:11] <Jouva> histo: But say my machine has <IP_ADDRESS> through <IP_ADDRESS>. And maybe <IP_ADDRESS> has an IRC server on it. If I have an IRC bot that is trying to connect to port 6667 on <IP_ADDRESS>, it won't work. But outside connections are fine.
[05:11] <Rabblerouser> Can someone help? Someone suggested I use sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a... and after a while, it returned "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: man-db is broken or not fully installed"
[05:11] <histo> dell1: Are you using gparted?
[05:11] <Elv1313> histo: if he use ext3, he probably will
[05:11] <dell1> I have Dell Studio 1555, two years old
[05:11] <Steamed_buns> ...
[05:12] <dell1> histo: Yes
[05:12] <dell1> I choose ext4
[05:12] <histo> Jouva: how do you ahve 10 ips assigned to one machine?
[05:12] <Elv1313> histo: I first used GPT around 2008, and it had bugs because it was rare back then
[05:12] <dell1> Is it the same in 2013?
[05:12] <histo> dell1: it's pretty easy to just delete a parititon and create a new one. Where are you getting asked all these questions?
[05:13] <ahmedipa> Can’t Login to Desktop unless using Guest Session
[05:13] <Jouva> histo: Fine it's 6 with 4 usable. Just roll with it.
[05:13] <Jouva> The number of IPs isn't the point
[05:13] <Jouva> It's more than one IP
[05:13] <cfhowlett> vnc786, to get at websites that require IE, use wine and install an old IE version ...
[05:13] <Elv1313> no, its fine now, I use it everywhere, but if you want to use ext3 for compatiblity, then use MS-DOs for compatibility too
[05:13] <dell1> What should I choose in Align to: Mib/Sylinder/None?
[05:13] <histo> Jouva: Yes it is an issue. Are these virtual machines, or multiple adapters, or virtual adpaters. It has a lot to do withyour problem. Are they on the same subnet as other machines on the network ?
[05:14] <histo> Jouva: but if you don't want to go into it I dont' have the time.
[05:14] <ahmedipa> Can't Log Into Ubuntu 12.04
[05:14] <`ingsoc> Nope.
[05:14] <histo> WTH is with people tonight.
[05:14] <`ingsoc> It didn't work.
[05:14] <ahmedipa> How can I solve this problem
[05:14] <ahmedipa> ??
[05:14] <`ingsoc> Your advice FAILED.
[05:14] <Jouva> histo: It's a single physical machine. Not running any virtual server stuff
[05:14] <dell1> What should I choose in Align to: Mib/Sylinder/None?
[05:14] <`ingsoc> UBUNTU IS A BOTNET AND IT'S ATTACKING /ETC/RESOLV.CONF.
[05:14] <Rabblerouser> No one?
[05:14] <`ingsoc> You've been warned!
[05:15] <histo> Jouva: With how many nics? and are they on the same class as the rest of the network?
[05:15] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: seriuosly?
[05:15] <`ingsoc> Yes.
[05:15] <Elv1313> dell1: align to the start of the disk, and use gparted, not fdisk or other tools, recent disks use 4k sectors, older partitions utilities try to force 512bytes
[05:15] <`ingsoc> It keeps changing it.
[05:15] <Jouva> histo: Sorry, I thought you meant how like you were confused how it was possible, not how I had it configured.
[05:15] <histo> `ingsoc: please stop and go elsewhere you won't listen to us.
[05:15] <`ingsoc> Even after I used a dns-servers line.
[05:15] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: oh my gosh, best go back to windows then
[05:15] <`ingsoc> No.
[05:15] <`ingsoc> It doesn't happen on Debian.
[05:15] <`ingsoc> Why does Ubuntu do this?
[05:15] <cfhowlett> ingsoc  stop trolling.  ubuntu is not a botnet ... and feel free to use debian
[05:15] <histo> `ingsoc: BECAUSE DEBIAN DOESN"T HAVE THE RESOLVCONF PACKAGE OR NETWORK MANAGER
[05:16] <`ingsoc> Okay, just settle down.
[05:16] <Jouva> histo: Looks like 2 nics, but the 2nd one is on a private network 10.x.x.x that isn't part of this and isn't an IP I'm trying to connect to. The public IPs are all on eth0
[05:16] <dell1> Elv1313: It asks for align to: MiB/Cylinder/None
[05:16] <dell1> What should I choose?
[05:16] <`ingsoc> How do I stop resolvconf or network-manager from pulling DNS servers out its ass?
[05:16] <Elv1313> take the default, but you should align to sector one
[05:16] <cfhowlett> vnc786, note: an old IE version is included with wine
[05:16] <histo> !language | `ingsoc
[05:16] <Elv1313> (0 being the mbr)
[05:16] <Jouva> histo: But yes, same subnet. <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <histo> `ingsoc: they are being pulled from your router.
[05:17] <histo> Jouva: not the same subnet sorry the same class c
[05:17] <`ingsoc> histo: How do I stop it?
[05:17] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: Ubuntu just doesnt make up DNS servers dude
[05:17] <ahmedipa> anyone has idea about my problem regarding to cannot login to 12.04
[05:17] <histo> `ingsoc: Remove them
[05:17] <histo> `ingsoc: or work with them you choose
[05:17] <Jouva> histo: Oh. Still yes.
[05:17] <`ingsoc> histo: I need them (nmcli).
[05:17] <ahmedipa> every day I face new problem
[05:17] <dell1> An error occurred while applying the operations
[05:17] <histo> `ingsoc: I've told you how to work with them. You obviously don't want ot do that. So remove them or go back to debian.
[05:17] <dell1> IMPORTANT
[05:17] <dell1> If you want support, you need to provide the saved details!
[05:17] <dell1> See http://gparted.org/save-details.htm for more information.
[05:17] <Rabblerouser> "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: man-db is broken or not fully installed". How do I fix this?
[05:17] <cfhowlett> !details|ahmedipa     restate the details ...
[05:18] <`ingsoc> histo: I want to work with them. Please.
[05:18] <histo> Jouva: ex: 192.168.1.xxx  and rest of network is 192.168.1.xxx also
[05:18] <apb1963_> I'm trying to ftp... getting connection refused.  I can't help but notice xinetd is not running.  What is the ubuntu way of making this work please?
[05:18] <Flannel> dell1: Use GParted, don't drop to low level command line tools (not all command line tools are low level, but you have found a very low level one).
[05:18] <Flannel> dell1: It's easier, and its probably quicker too.
[05:18] <Jouva> histo: Yep. All the same subnet for the public IPs
[05:18] <histo> `ingsoc: Then put your dns servers you want in head file. Ex: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>  in that file
[05:18] <dell1> I am using GParted
[05:18] <vnc786> cfhowlett: i did install ie7 with ./ielinux --no-gui --install ie7 it show that it has installed successfully but when trying to open it does'n work and also i did winetricks ie6 it also show it has installed and it gets IE get open  but the website is still asking for >IE 5.5
[05:18] <dell1> Flannel: I am using GParted
[05:19] <dell1> But I got error
[05:19] <Jouva> histo: Mind you this only started happening in the past few days. I did an apt-get update and rebooted, and then this happened. There MIGHT have also been a change to BIND9 or resolv.conf, but I don't see anything odd.
[05:19] <`ingsoc> histo: I did, and it still pulled Google's DNS servers.
[05:19] <Rabblerouser> Oh for god's sake, this is unbearable
[05:19] <ePirat> Wow new record, broke Ubuntu after only 3 hours ._.
[05:19] <ePirat> Won't boot anymore
[05:19] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett:  Can’t Login to Desktop unless using Guest Session
[05:19] <Jouva> histo: It's been fine for several months until now.
[05:19] <dell1> Should I unmount the hard drive before formating?
[05:19] <histo> Jouva: Can you please explain how this is wired?  The adapters please... How many are on this box and why are you using different ip subneets
[05:19] <Flannel> dell1: This is an external drive?  Did Ubuntu mount it automatically? (You can't format a mounted partition)
[05:19] <ahmedipa>  ubottu:  Can’t Login to Desktop unless using Guest Session
[05:19] <histo> `ingsoc: is your custom one at the top?
[05:19] <Flannel> dell1: Yes.
[05:19] <dell1> Flannel: Thanks
[05:20] <dell1> I will do it again
[05:20] <histo> `ingsoc: the top of resolv.conf that is.
[05:20] <`ingsoc> histo: Yes.
[05:20] <ahmedipa> ubottu: this is first time I face this problem
[05:20] <cfhowlett> vnc786, all I can say is ... avoid websites that REQUIRE obsolete and broken browers like ie 5.5  sorry, can't offer anything more than that.
[05:20] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, on 12.04
[05:20] <cfhowlett> ?
[05:20] <histo> `ingsoc: then it's using your custom one. What's the problem?
[05:20] <`ingsoc> histo: I don't want Google's DNS in there.
[05:20] <`ingsoc> histo: It makes me feel paranoid.
[05:20] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: yes 12.04
[05:21] <histo> `ingsoc: Then specify your custom ones in network manager.
[05:21] <Rabblerouser> Ironic that I get better support from a game's IRC channel and the game doesn't even run natively on Linux yet.
[05:21] <`ingsoc> histo: How?
[05:21] <STMelon> +1 Rabblerouser
[05:21] <histo> `ingsoc: click on the network icon and edit connections
[05:21] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett:   second problem is low disk space
[05:22] <histo> `ingsoc: or go into settings and then network and change the settings for that connection.
[05:22] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, one problem at a time ...thought you couldn't login?
[05:22] <Jouva> histo: The only different IP subnet is a single private one on eth1. All of my public IPs are in the same class C on eth0. This is a box that's a dedicated server being hosted by SingleHop. My assumption (not something I can say for certain, but the only thing I can think of) is that eth1 is for communicating with their own internal tech support and other machines in the same racks so that one
[05:22] <Jouva> doesn't need to go through the same routers
[05:22] <STMelon> histo is working his tail off though, trying to help all at the same time, give im some credit for multi-tasking
[05:22] <ahmedipa>  ubottu:  second problem is low disk space
[05:22] <histo> `ingsoc: OR change your stupid router settings to not hand out googles dns records
[05:22] <Rabblerouser> STMelon: Yes?
[05:22] <`ingsoc> histo: Well, now Ubuntu is even blocking access to <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:22] <`ingsoc> histo: I get connection refused.
[05:23] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: right let's solve the first problem
[05:23] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, fresh install?
[05:23] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: what package is broken?
[05:23] <Rabblerouser> Wait, histo is the ONLY one giving help? D: I had no idea.
[05:23] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: as you said at this time I can't
[05:23] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: what do you mean by that
[05:24] <Rabblerouser> man-db. Mind you this is after terminal sort of.. hung. Miraculously, I have my Unity back, but saying that still bugs me
[05:24] <histo> Rabblerouser: you coudl reinstall man-db
[05:24] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, how did you install ubuntu 12.04?  upgrade from a previous installation or a clean installation
[05:24] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: this happend after I tried to clean and trying to free up space
[05:24] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: and what have you already tried to do in order to correct the problem?
[05:25] <`ingsoc> Why is Ubuntu locking me out of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:25] <Jouva> histo: I can't even ping localhost it seems
[05:25] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: I don't have problem with installation only I install by usb live
[05:25] <Jouva> Or explicitly <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:25] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: this is fifth month I use ubuntu
[05:25] <rob_p> `ingsoc: can you ping it?
[05:26] <Rabblerouser> Synaptic, upgrades, and fixing broken packages within Synaptic. Which it apparently didn't see this broken package
[05:26] <histo> Jouva: trace it?
[05:26] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, OK
[05:26] <`ingsoc> rob_p: Yes.
[05:26] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: I only faced these two problem
[05:26] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, I've got an idea what happened ...
[05:26] <`ingsoc> rob_p: I can ping it but I can't telnet it or access it in my browser.
[05:26] <Jouva> histo: Yeah it's giving me timeout *s
[05:26] <`ingsoc> rob_p: It's a shitty DSL-502T (D-Link).
[05:26] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: I would like to thank you for your attention
[05:26] <histo> Jouva: see where the issue is. and also which interface the packets are going oout on. If they are different ip ranges that could be the issue. Going out on one range that doesn't reach the other.
[05:26] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, do you see the login screen at all?
[05:27] <topper4125> !language | `ingsoc
[05:27] <histo> !ohmy | `ingsoc
[05:27] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: yes I see login screen
[05:27] <Jouva> histo: I get nowhere. At all.
[05:27] <Jouva> traceroute to <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
[05:27] <Jouva>  1  * * *
[05:27] <rob_p> `ingsoc: What is *it*? I'm guessing it has Telnet services running, etc?
[05:27] <Jouva> I don't know HOW it's doing that or WHY but it is
[05:27] <aleksandar> hey, I am thinking of making a custom install script and I'm wondering if there's some other solution than writing all commands myself?
[05:27] <cfhowlett> ahmedipa, and after attempting login it loops and kicks you out  ... no error messages?
[05:27] <`ingsoc> rob_p: It's a router.
[05:27] <Jouva> Yet it's allowing connections from outside and letting connections out
[05:28] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: well that isnt very descriptive, but why dont you try completely removing the package and reinstalling it. I dont know what kind of dependancies man-db has but you can try this
[05:28] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: but when I try to login it will be like loop as you said
[05:28] <`ingsoc> rob_p: ADSL router.
[05:28] <Jouva> Wonder if it's the route
[05:28] <histo> Jouva: tracepath
[05:28] <ahmedipa> no any error messages
[05:28] <Jouva> 1: no reply
[05:28] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: sudo apt-get autoclean || sudo apt-get remove --purge man-db || sudo apt-get install man-db
[05:28] <histo> Jouva: not good
[05:28] <Jouva> Yeahhhh
[05:28] <histo> Jouva: routes are jacked up
[05:28] <Jouva> That's what I'm thinking now
[05:29] <Rabblerouser> Will do, thanks.
[05:29] <ahmedipa> cfhowlett: just ask me again and again to login even if I login
[05:29] <histo> Jouva: have you tried restarting networking?
[05:29] <dr_willis> cfhowlett: some day we need to track down or make a wiki page on resetting user settings. ive seen this identical questiin like 4 times this week
[05:29] <rob_p> `ingsoc: So you can ping it, but you can't access it's services?
[05:29] <Jouva> ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh donnnnnnnnnt think I want to be doing that on my own ;)
[05:29] <Jouva> Not over ssh
[05:29] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  guest user works fine?
[05:29] <Jouva> I think at this point I'll let SingleHop look into it
[05:29] <cfhowlett> dr_willis,  as you're more familiar, can you guide us to the fix?
[05:30] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: yes but as you know not full permission
[05:30] <`ingsoc> rob_p: That's correct.
[05:30] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: as normal user
[05:30] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Perhaps it needs a reboot? Many of those consumer-grade routers have buggy firmware and need frequent reboots...
[05:30] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  can you login at the console as your user?
[05:31] <Rabblerouser> Got a bad feeling after seeing "Removing ubuntu-desktop" after doing that
[05:31] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: how can I do that
[05:31] <`ingsoc> rob_p: Hmm. I'll try that now.
[05:31] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Sort of off-topic for our discussion, but have you checked to see if there's a Linux-based firmware that would work with your router hardware?
[05:31] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  alt-ctrl-f1 to get to a console.. alt-ctrl-f7 to get back to X.. see if you can login as your user at the alt-ctrl-f1 console.
[05:33] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: yes I see
[05:33] <apb1963_> I'm trying to ftp... getting connection refused.  I can't help but notice xinetd is not running.  What is the ubuntu way of making this work please?
[05:34] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: when I want to try to login by this method he told me incorrect password
[05:34] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I don't know why
[05:34] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: if it doesnt automatically get reinstalled with man-db just trail that package at the end of the line like "sudo apt-get install man-db ubuntu-desktop"
[05:34] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  if you CAN login at the console. then  you can try to reset any problem setting files that may be you out..  be sure you are getting the CASEof your password right
[05:35] <Jouva> histo: Well thanks for your time though! Sorry for being a little frustrating there at the beginning. Just didn't understand what you needed cause I didn't read it right, though I'm sure my obfuscation didn't help. Just didn't want to look like I'm advertising a server, or have somebody try and poke at my server for exploits or something
[05:35] <Rabblerouser> Yeah, I'm doing that.. along with yelp, lintian, gnome-user-guide, ubuntu-docs, and ubuntu-standard. :D lol
[05:35] <rob_p> apb1963_: Depends on how you have your FTP server configured to run. Some relied on the old xinetd superserver and some run as a daemon. Some can be configured for either method.
[05:35] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you are sure you are using the right  password? ;)
[05:35] <apb1963_> rob_p stock ubuntu install.    Figured it was part of the package.  Just whatever the ISO included.
[05:36] <rob_p> apb1963_: Ubuntu doesn't come with it installed by default...
[05:36] <apb1963_> ah
[05:36] <apb1963_> I'm learning :)
[05:37] <dr_willis> a ftp server by default? how... 1980's ;)
[05:37] <apb1963_> that's where I'm from :)
[05:37] <dr_willis> and insecure
[05:37] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I see tty1
[05:37] <apb1963_> no i'm pretty confident actually
[05:37] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I am sure about password
[05:38] <`ingsoc> HOW DO I STOP UBUNTU FROM STEALING DNS SERVERS FROM MY ROUTER?
[05:38] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you hit alt-ctrl-f1   get a LOGIN: prompt.. you enter your users name and password. and you should get a   bash prompt.. if you cant seem to get logged into the console.. you got deeper issues
[05:38] <rob_p> apb1963_: The repos have at least one or two options to choose from.  I've used proftp with lots of success in the past...
[05:38] <apb1963_> so I guess it's some sort of apt-get thingy right?
[05:38] <rob_p> apb1963_: yeah
[05:38]  * shuduo is away: auto-away
[05:38] <apb1963_> apt-get proftp?
[05:38] <dr_willis> apb1963_: best would be to not use ftp. ;) but ssh
[05:38] <`ingsoc> Anyone?
[05:39] <apb1963_> can I get files with ssh?
[05:39] <`ingsoc> I just want it to stop!
[05:39] <apb1963_> never tried that
[05:39] <wiggmpk> I <3 FTP shhh
[05:39] <dr_willis> apb1963_:  theres very little you cant do with ssh
[05:39] <dr_willis> apb1963_:  if you ahve never used ssh.. then spend the time and learn ig
[05:39] <xisiqomelir> "man scp" apbl
[05:39] <apb1963_> will it clean my house?  I really need a package to do that
[05:39] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: stop using that router
[05:39] <dr_willis> apb1963_:  ive seen very very few reasons to use ftp these days
[05:39] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: when I type my username then password
[05:39] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: I can't afford a new one.
[05:39] <apb1963_> i'm old school what can I say
[05:40] <rob_p> `ingsoc: So were you able to get logged back into the router?
[05:40] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: by the way password when I type no character appear
[05:40] <`ingsoc> rob_p: No, it wouldn't let me.
[05:40] <dr_willis> say 'uga booga.. me got rock.. hit donosaur in head'
[05:40] <apb1963_> actually I use winscp on the windoze side of things
[05:40] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: well then put it in bridge mode and do your own NAT
[05:40] <`ingsoc> It's buggy as all hell.
[05:40] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: after that he tell me that incorrect
[05:40] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: Because I know how to do that...
[05:40] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Sort of off-topic for our discussion, but have you checked to see if there's a Linux-based firmware that would work with your router hardware?
[05:40] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: I just want Ubuntu to stop acting like a damn botnet and stop getting nameservers from the router.
[05:41] <`ingsoc> rob_p: It's too old for any custom firmware it seems.
[05:41] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you are either typing it in wrong.. it WONT echo back.. (makes sence from a security point of view) or got a caps lock key on.. or doing some other typo.. Or  somehow got your password messwed up
[05:41] <apb1963_> so really I should have just winscp'ed to the server instead of ftp localhost to test if it worked  hunh?
[05:41] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: even if I hit numLk on or I type any letter
[05:41] <`ingsoc> I would remove network-manager but I need nmcli.
[05:42] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  try typing your password in when it says 'login;' to be SURE you are typing it correctly.. ;)
[05:42] <dr_willis> it will echo back then...
[05:42] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Too old? That's usually the opposite of what you'd find... It's the newer routers that aren't as well supported.   I guess sshd isn't installed by default either then?
[05:44] <dr_willis> apb1963_:  theres no outside services installed by default...
[05:44] <apb1963_> oh
[05:44] <apb1963_> :)
[05:44] <dr_willis> apb1963_:   security 101 ;)
[05:45] <apb1963_> sshd is a security risk?
[05:45] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: login incorrect
[05:45] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: You mean like a factory reset?
[05:45] <dr_willis> any servies you dont need.. should NOT be installed by default.
[05:45] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: yes, but first I would be absolutely certain you have the right IP address, not just a local network segment
[05:45] <apb1963_> hmmm... installation is different from configuration and running
[05:45] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  either you are doing the password wrong.. or  its been changed..
[05:45] <apb1963_> but ok
[05:45] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: check your default route in "ifconfig"
[05:45] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: Well, it asks for a login, so I think it's correct.
[05:45] <apb1963_> I will accept the ubuntu philosophy
[05:46] <apb1963_> so... apt-get sshd?
[05:46] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: and your certain the password is correct?
[05:46] <ahmedipa> dr_willis:  I am sure I type many time
[05:46] <dr_willis> You want ssh running by default on a install cd?
[05:46] <apb1963_> never thought about it before
[05:46] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: Yes, because incorrect password comes up with a failed page.
[05:47] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: then I would go with the factory reset and try again
[05:47] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: if I have doubt user name but I can see user name from screen
[05:47] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  only way i know to easially fix your other issuse is if you can login at the console.. but for  all wee know the password may  be the original issue
[05:47] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: be patient afterwards, like 15minsish
[05:47] <apb1963_> I'm used to inetd.. and it just being available.
[05:47] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Looks like openwrt has some support for at least one version of that router, but I prefer DD-WRT and it's not in their database...
[05:47] <apb1963_> it's a question of habit moreso than anything else.
[05:47] <`ingsoc> rob_p: I'm scared of bricking it.
[05:47] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you  can try fixing your sustem from a live cd.  but thats a bit of a bother...
[05:48] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: password is easy for me but I don't know when I type password no character appear
[05:48] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: fortune favors the bold my friend
[05:48] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  because it DOSENT ECHO the characters.. Its designed NOT to.. you  dont want someone seeing your password when you type it.
[05:48] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: is there any other networking equipment between the combo router and the outside world?
[05:48] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: may be you are right because I use now guest user and may not full permission cause this
[05:49] <rob_p> `ingsoc: I don't blame you. Unless you are comfortable with spi interfaces, jtag, etc. and have the appropriate equipment, there are risks...
[05:49] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: There is a wireless router that I use to connect more cmputers to it.
[05:49] <`ingsoc> computers*
[05:49] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  so we dont know if its your password thats wrong.. or not. i thought the   X login screen says in red letters if you got your password wrong
[05:49] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: when I type password as like as terminal exactly
[05:49] <Rabblerouser> Is there an equivalent to Windows' "Stereo Mix"? I've found a shell script that allows me to stream video playing a game, but there's no sound. :(
[05:49] <histo> `ingsoc: please just specify dns servers in network manager and be done with it.
[05:49] <`ingsoc> histo: I don't use network-manager, but I need it for nmcli.
[05:50] <histo> `ingsoc: if you use nmcli then you are using network manager
[05:50] <`ingsoc> histo: I thought that was the whole point of the dns-nameservers line?
[05:50] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I am sure about the password when I try to login in the screen told me login in again
[05:50] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: disconnect EVERYTHING except for your DSL router/combo and your computer
[05:50] <rob_p> `ingsoc: The root of your problem is that your router is handing out DNS addresses that you don't want to use. So fix your router!
[05:50] <histo> `ingsoc:it was but you don't want the google ones below it for some insane reason.
[05:50] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  so on the Gui Login screen you enter your password.. do you see any red letters mentioning that its wrong?
[05:50] <histo> `ingsoc: if you don't want those then you have to specify your own.
[05:50] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: I dunno how your wireless router is operating but double NATing isnt really best practice
[05:50] <ahmedipa> dr_willis:  when I try to make something wrong will show me it is wrong
[05:51]  * histo SCREAMS!!!!! in my own head.
[05:51] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: no I don't see
[05:51] <Daegalus> hmm, anyone know the best possible FS for cross-platform use between Windows, Linux, and OSX? Other than FAT32?
[05:51] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: because it is right
[05:51] <`ingsoc> I don't know what to do!
[05:51] <histo> !best | Daegalus
[05:51] <histo> !manual | `ingsoc
[05:51] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  then you should be able to login at the console also.. not get a invalid password  message..  Do you have a live cd you can boot from?
[05:52] <`ingsoc> histo: Thanks, histo. That's so useful.
[05:52] <ahmedipa> yes
[05:52] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: yes I have
[05:52] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Here's what to do:  --->  CONFIGURE YOUR ROUTER  <---
[05:52] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: I will try to bring it
[05:52] <histo> `ingsoc: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[05:52] <`ingsoc> rob_p: You're right, but I'm trying to think what I need to do to get into the damn thing.
[05:52] <ahmedipa> right now
[05:53] <dr_willis> ahmedipa:  you can try to reset your problem users files. bu using the live cd. accessing their Home directory on the installed system and moveing  all the files in their   home/yourusername/*  files to some backup directory. this will reset all your users settings... then  reboot back to the installed system and see if they can login
[05:53] <histo> `ingsoc: here you go http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+12.04+custom+dns+nameserver&l=1
[05:53] <`ingsoc> histo: Finally, someone is exposing the botnet.
[05:53] <dr_willis> trollnet?
[05:53] <Daegalus> `ingsoc: that doesn't help me at all, I want to know what people have experienced from personal experience. FAt32 is the easiest, but the 4gb max is a nogo. NTFS is possible, but Linux write to is is pretty slow for torrents. exFat is ok, but LInux support isn''t that great. Ext4 is fine, but Windows drivers don't have extents and journaling support. So I wanted to see what others have found to be a good solution for them.
[05:53] <rob_p> `ingsoc: You probably need to reset the router to factory defaults and then reconfigure it...
[05:53] <`ingsoc> No, Ubuntu is a DNS botnet.
[05:54] <dr_willis> you are confused.
[05:54] <histo> `ingsoc: it's not a botnet you don't understand what we've been telling you all along that it now uses RESOLVCONF package but believe what you want. I'm done acknowledging you existence
[05:54] <rob_p> `ingsoc: Please stop embarrassing yourself and stop using the term, "botnet" until you have a clue what it means!
[05:55] <`ingsoc> I'm just being over-dramatic.
[05:55] <histo> and insane
[05:55] <rob_p> `ingsoc: I'm not trying to offend you, but it's really embarrassing every time you say that!
[05:55] <`ingsoc> But seriously, Ubuntu is changing, man.
[05:55] <dr_willis> Progress or die...
[05:55] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: and possibly irritating the people trying to help you
[05:55] <cfhowlett> ingsoc then you're not really inspiring anyone to redner anyhelp
[05:55] <`ingsoc> dr_willis: That's some Borg shit right there.
[05:56] <histo> !ops | `ingsoc language
[05:56] <dr_willis> marketing fundamentals
[05:56] <`ingsoc> Well, I wouldn't be in here in the first place if I didn't install Ubuntu.
[05:56]  * cfhowlett "possibly"?
[05:56] <`ingsoc> I wish I didn't, but I made a mistake.
[05:56]  * shuduo is back (gone 00:17:53)
[05:56] <ahmedipa> dr_willis: my best back up in my opinion external hard drive and one ubuntu
[05:56] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: how did things go mate?
[05:57] <rob_p> `ingsoc: I can understand being frustrated though.  Just take a deep breath and look at the situation logically. You'll get it figured out.
[05:57] <Rabblerouser> Oh.. I haven't restarted. >.> I guess I'm tempting fate, huh?
[05:57] <`ingsoc> rob_p: It's cool. I came in here but then histo just started to nerd rage at me.
[05:57] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: lol, it'll be fun =P
[05:57] <Rabblerouser> Brb. Rebooting
[05:58] <blackshirt> hello
[05:58] <histo> hola blackshirt
[05:58] <blackshirt> i have a simple stupid question .. what the mean output ot $dpkg -l | wc -l
[05:58] <cfhowlett> blackshirt, greetings
[05:59] <apb1963_> success... now if I could only remember what I started out to do....
[05:59] <histo> blackshirt: it will count the amount of packages installed .  dpkg -l  lists them then the out put is piped to wc -l to count the lines
[05:59] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  wc -l = counts the lines
[05:59] <`ingsoc> What if I turn resolv.conf into a regular file?
[05:59] <rob_p> `ingsoc: anyway, once you get access to your router, you'll be squared away.  Just make sure it hands out the nameserver IPs that you want your network clients to use and you'll be set.  Good luck! :)
[05:59] <`ingsoc> Would that work?
[05:59] <dr_willis> i always set my routers to hand out google dns ips ;)
[06:00] <histo> apb1963_: you were talking about installing ssh server or something.
[06:00] <swjh> where does ubuntu store kernel .config file?
[06:00] <`ingsoc> I don't even remember setting it to the Google DNS.
[06:01] <rob_p> `ingsoc: You can spray air freshner on a dirty diaper and it might make things bearable for the moment, but it's not the right way to handle it!
[06:01] <`ingsoc> I guess Ubuntu has partnered with Google now like they did with Amazon.
[06:01] <`ingsoc> rob_p: That's a good point.
[06:01] <blackshirt> histo, dr_willis : thanks ... thats command resulted ... 1151 .. but when i add grep to that command $dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l resulted with 954 ... what the difference
[06:01] <blackshirt> ?
[06:01] <histo> `ingsoc: Do you have a ubuntu related support question?
[06:01] <wiggmpk> correct me if im wrong, but arent DNS servers handed out by your ISP?
[06:02] <dr_willis> wiggmpk:  unless you  set them manually  on the router. or override them on you rnetwork manager settings
[06:02] <wiggmpk> dr_willis: k, thought so
[06:02] <`ingsoc> histo: I do have a Ubuntu support question. Why did Ubuntu sell out so hard after all of our support over the years?
[06:02] <cfhowlett> rob_p, best tech metaphor trophy awarded!
[06:02] <cfhowlett> !ot
[06:02] <swjh> where does ubuntu store kernel .config file?
[06:02] <rob_p> cfhowlett: :P
[06:02] <cfhowlett> ingsoc take it up with canonical please, not with the user support channel
[06:02] <dr_willis> swjh:  im not sure it does..  a check of askubuntu.com may show an answer also.
[06:02] <Rabblerouser> \o/ Things work!
[06:03] <Rabblerouser> Until I inevitably break it again.
[06:03] <blackshirt> histo, dr_willis : thanks ... thats command resulted ... 1151 .. but when i add grep to that command $dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l resulted with 954 ... what the differences ?
[06:03] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  what are you trying to acomplish anyway?
[06:03] <swjh> dr_willis: is it possible to see if I have CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS?
[06:03] <dr_willis> you grepped out some lines.. ;)
[06:03] <swjh> *CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS module
[06:04] <dr_willis> swjh:  no idea.   i havent had to mess with the kernel in years
[06:04] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: all good then? =)
[06:04] <swjh> ok thank you
[06:04] <Rabblerouser> Yes, thanks for your help :)
[06:04] <histo> cfhowlett: his router is giving him google's dns not ubntu
[06:04] <wiggmpk> Rabblerouser: np
[06:04] <blackshirt> dr_willis: i'm still learning for this system ... but i want to know .. why this resulting different thing, if dpkg -l was meant for list installed packages
[06:05] <cfhowlett> histo, well aware of that, but thanks.
[06:05] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  so what is your grep filter supposed to be filtering out? where did you get it from?
[06:05] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  compare the 2 outputs with and without and see whats differnt
[06:05] <`ingsoc> So the first two lines in resolv.conf will be used before the others?
[06:06] <`ingsoc> Just to be sure.
[06:06] <`ingsoc> If I go down that route.
[06:06] <blackshirt> dr_willis: yes, i have do it ... without grep was result 1151 number .. and with grep was 954
[06:07] <blackshirt> dr_willis: i look at output of dpkg -l .. what is rc flags mean in the output ?
[06:07] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  compare the  actual output.. not just the counts...     your grep pattern is looking for lines that begin with II  which means somthing..
[06:07] <`ingsoc> I can't wait for this install to inevitably break, so I can go back to sid.
[06:07] <blackshirt> dr_willis: we know ii was for installed state
[06:07] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: do you see the line in /etc/resolv.conf that says dont edit, your changes will be overwritten?
[06:07] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  id have to refer you to the apt-get manuals and guides. I dont memorize them
[06:08] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: I edited the head file.
[06:08] <Rabblerouser> AND... to boot, I just figured out how to stream both video and audio to Twitch.tv. :D I'm off to stream some Dwarf Fortress or somethin'
[06:09] <blackshirt> dr_willis: without grep ^ii there are some rc flag on the output of dpkg -l
[06:09] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: ok, even so, since your "gateway" to the internet is your combo modem/router.... how will your machine know where ANY of the DNS entries you put in there are on the internet?
[06:09] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: its going to use the DNS records on your local network segment, IE: the one's in your router combo
[06:09] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: So I should fix it there first and foremost?
[06:10] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: I think you should either call your ISP and see what their naming servers are
[06:10] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: The ones in my router don't show up when I visit dnsleaktest.com...
[06:12] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: well then you specifically made a change somewhere
[06:12] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: What do you mean?
[06:13] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: because thats not how networking equipment work..
[06:13] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: I don't follow.
[06:13] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: My router is really bad btw.
[06:14] <blackshirt> dr_willis: , i should sure, $dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l  should return number of packages currently installed .. is this right ?
[06:14] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: your ISP tells you what your DNS records are.. the DNS tells you where things are on the internet. if there is a contradiction of information, then I cant help you.. because your not providing all the information
[06:14] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: Tbh, I don't know what DNS information is in my router.
[06:15] <dr_willis> blackshirt:  it will return the # of lines that begin with  the ltters 'ii' which aparently is not the only  output dpkg -l gives.. so look at dpkg -l output and see what lines DONT begin with ii     and see what they are telling you
[06:15] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: so why are you even here? just to waste peoples time?
[06:15] <dr_willis> im not on a ubuntu box so cant look at dpkg output
[06:16] <rockcket> hi
[06:16] <histo> `ingsoc: it's obvisouly googles dns servers or your isp is handing those to your router
[06:16] <xiaclo> blackshirt: answered on the debian channel, but will repeat here for others.  The 'rc' status in dpkg -l means you have installed the package, and removed it, but there is still configuration files on your system from that package
[06:16] <rockcket> excuse me
[06:16] <`ingsoc> wiggmpk: No, I wanted to know how I can stop Ubuntu from filling resolv.conf with crap. I have Debian computer and it doesn't do that.
[06:16] <rockcket> where are file permissions data stored ? if i want to take backup of that ?
[06:16] <dr_willis>   ^ii i think is 'start of line then the letters i i'  :)
[06:16] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: wiggmpk: The ones in my router don't show up when I visit dnsleaktest.com...
[06:16] <wiggmpk> `ingsoc: wiggmpk: Tbh, I don't know what DNS information is in my router.
[06:16] <wiggmpk> your wasting peoples time
[06:17] <dr_willis> rockcket:  they are not stored in a file.. they are part of the file
[06:17] <xiaclo> `ingsoc: the easiest way is to edit your resolv.conf the way you want, then run 'chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf'
[06:17] <histo> `ingsoc: you'd have to remove the resolvconf package is all
[06:17] <dr_willis> !permissions | rockcket
[06:17] <`ingsoc> xiaclo: That doesn't work.
[06:17] <histo> `ingsoc: sudo apt-get purge resolvconf
[06:17] <STMelon> seems nothing is working and nothing is helouing, maybe you should try google
[06:17] <rockcket> dr_willis: i backed up my files and folders from 11.04 now did a fresh installation of 12.04 - when i now copy files from the backup in USB to /var/www they do not retain their old permissions. their permissions have all become like 600
[06:17] <cfhowlett> ingsoc you edited the settings and now get EXACTLY the results you programmed in.  Reset to defaults or accept responsibility for your own results.  Or go to debian.
[06:17] <dr_willis> !info resolvconf
[06:17] <`ingsoc> histo: Then how will it get DNS information?
[06:17] <blackshirt> xiaclo: thanks
[06:17] <STMelon> helping*. quit wasting this rooms time thx
[06:18] <histo> rockcket: did you preserve their permissions?
[06:18] <dr_willis> rockcket:  how did you back them up? how did you  restore them?
[06:18] <histo> `ingsoc: you'd have to specify it yourself
[06:18] <histo> `ingsoc: like you do in debian
[06:18] <rockcket> i just copied all of them into my USB and now copied from USB to /var/www - dr_willis
[06:18] <rockcket> histo: what does that mean ?
[06:18] <dr_willis> rockcket:  copied HOW..... what command
[06:18] <histo> rockcket: how did you copy your files?
[06:18] <rockcket> ctrl+c - keyboard
[06:18] <`ingsoc> histo: So is there a difference between resolv.conf and the package?
[06:19] <dr_willis> rockcket:  and what filesystem was on the Usb?
[06:19] <rockcket> dr_willis: how can i know that ?
[06:19] <histo> `ingsoc: the package is what is auto populating the file
[06:19] <histo> `ingsoc: Which i've explained to you several times
[06:19] <dr_willis> rockcket:  you  should learn to use tar. and rsync,  and the cp options ... you did not copy the permissions or other info
[06:20] <`ingsoc> histo: I don't think you did.
[06:20] <dr_willis> rockcket:  see how its mounted.. they come preformated with fat32.. that wont save linux permissions
[06:20] <rockcket> dr_willis: ctrl+c does not copy permissions ? well you just said permissions are part of the file only
[06:20] <rockcket> does $ df -h help in knowing that?
[06:20] <dr_willis> rockcket:  and a USB flash drive formated to fat32  can not store that info
[06:20] <rockcket> so tell me whats the good way to do backups ?
[06:20] <histo> `ingsoc: you can scrollback and see or go to the log of this chatroom and search if you don't believe me
[06:20] <rockcket> just cp command ?
[06:21] <rockcket> or tar.gz and store that in USB ?
[06:21] <dr_willis> rockcket:  you  should learn to use tar. and rsync,  and the cp options .
[06:21] <rockcket> hm ok i dont know rsync
[06:21] <dr_willis> or format the flash to  be ext2/3/4
[06:21] <rockcket> will learn thanks
[06:21] <rockcket> how do i know file system of USB anyway ?
[06:21] <rockcket> ok how to do that ?
[06:21] <h4x0rz81> how canin i reset my root pw?
[06:21] <dr_willis> rockcket:  sudo  blkid may  show.. or fdisk -l
[06:21] <bazhang> h4x0rz81, you dont. use sudo
[06:22] <rockcket> hm ok thanks dr_willis
[06:22] <dr_willis> !mount | rockcket
[06:23] <h4x0rz81> i sei just came back to ubuntu and i guess i installed too fast
[06:23] <bazhang> !1984 | `ingsoc
[06:23] <histo> bazhang: lol at the trigger
[06:23] <h4x0rz81> could someone give me a command on how i might retrieve
[06:23] <bazhang> histo, how a propos here, right
[06:24] <bazhang> h4x0rz81, retrieve what
[06:24] <rockcket> fat32 it is
[06:24] <rockcket> thanks dr_willis
[06:24] <h4x0rz81> root pw
[06:25] <Gnea> !ppa
[06:25] <dr_willis> h4x0rz81:  there is no root password by default.
[06:25] <histo> rockcket: yeah a cp command won't preserve priveledges you'dhave to use rsync to do that.
[06:25] <h4x0rz81> ok hang on lol
[06:25] <rockcket> histo: i will learn about rsync someday :)
[06:25] <rockcket> these are not my things but hopefully will learn hehe
[06:25] <histo> rockcket: it's a beautifully powerfull app
[06:26] <rockcket> so, now i have 12.04. unity is fine except that when window is maximized the left bar of icons still apear, a little hard to work with. also close buttons goes to top most task bar (or status bar whatever you call it)
[06:26] <rockcket> lets see if i get used to it
[06:27] <xiaclo> rockcket: cp can copy permissions, use cp -a
[06:27] <dr_willis> rockcket:  the controls going to the top panel on mazanized windows.. is a feature...
[06:27] <dr_willis> rockcket:  the left side panel can be set to auto hide
[06:28] <rockcket> ok will use cp -a next time thanks xiaclo , did not know :)
[06:28] <rockcket> dr_willis: how ?
[06:28] <rockcket> well i think it would probably be better to have the left side panel at the bottom to be honest
[06:29] <dr_willis> rockcket:  i said it can auto  hide.. not be moved to the bottom
[06:29] <rockcket> and then auto hide/slide when not hovered for few seconds
[06:29] <rockcket> just saying
[06:29] <uplinx> ok guys, i accidentally made a decision that's gonna drive me deep down the rabbit hole
[06:30] <uplinx> i bought 2 nvidia video cards and have 4 monitors
[06:30] <uplinx> and i want them to play nice
[06:30] <uplinx> any advice?
[06:30] <dr_willis> uplinx:  if they work with the nvidia drivers properly they should work fine
[06:30] <dr_willis> plug them all in.. install nvidia drivers.. run twinview and see
[06:30] <dr_willis> well enable twinview. ;)
[06:31] <uplinx> dr_willis: that configuration puts me in the untenable position of using xinerama which disables compositing and has the framerate of my dead grandmother
[06:31] <rockcket> dr_willis: is this the way http://askubuntu.com/questions/9865/how-can-i-configure-unitys-launcher-auto-hide-behavior/31418#31418 ?
[06:31] <dr_willis> rockcket:  its just a check  box somewhre in the settings.  i dont recall where
[06:33] <edi> ciao
[06:33] <edi> !list
[06:34] <dr_willis> and this isent some italian isp that has commands on !list output either... ;)
[06:34] <dr_willis> or so someone mentioned the other day
[06:34] <dr_willis> bbl
[06:35] <rockcket> great thanks
[06:35] <hillary> is there libreoffice 4.0? how can i update my libreoffice 3.5 to that if any?
[06:36] <uplinx> any additional suggestions on avoiding xinerama, having compiz, and having 2 nvidia cards with 4 monitors?
[06:36] <hillary> sorry librebre 3 not 3.5
[06:36] <rommel092079> good day guys. I am going to build a server on ubuntu desktop with intel pentium dual core 2ghz processor, 4 gb memory and 500 gb hdd.  will mysql server have no problem with it on connectivity with more that 50 clients accessing it on any given time?
[06:37] <Gnea> rommel092079: mysql is dead
[06:37] <amiu> i hope its a 7200RPM hard drive
[06:37] <STMelon> hillary: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa for the latest STABLE libreoffice, it will install base which will install openjdk
[06:37] <rommel092079> Gnea: what do you mean mysql is dead?
[06:37] <amiu> MySQL is *not* dead.
[06:38] <hdon> hi all :) i am trying to diagnose something that happens when i'm running games. my screen stops updating for a while, mouse and keystrokes go to /dev/null, and my sound buffer doesn't get refilled so it just plays the same sample a few times
[06:38] <hdon> i have tried tail -f Xorg.0.log auth.log syslog kern.log messages user.log daemon.log
[06:38] <rommel092079> amiu yes it is 7200rpm
[06:38] <hdon> absolutely no clues
[06:38] <hdon> anywhere else i can look?
[06:38] <rommel092079> amiu: can I do that on ubutn desktop ?
[06:38] <Gnea> amiu: on the open source front, yes it is. MariaDB is the derivative.
[06:39] <rommel092079> Gnea: what do you mean mysql is dead?
[06:39] <amiu> yeah but i would recommend xfce over unity
[06:39] <hillary> STMelon, yes i have run the command and it is created. Next i do?
[06:39] <rommel092079> i need your suggestions guys please
[06:39] <xiaclo> Gnea: that's like saying debian is dead because ubuntu exists
[06:39] <amiu> MariaDB is far from over taking MySQL.  it has just won over a couple friends is all
[06:39] <STMelon> hillary: sudo apt-get update
[06:40] <STMelon> then either do the updates in the update manager or type: sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[06:40] <rommel092079> advice me guys
[06:40] <amiu> rommel092079,  i would also recommend debian over ubuntu-desktop for server applications
[06:40] <rommel092079> why debian?
[06:41] <Gnea> xiaclo: hardly
[06:41] <wdp> because in debian mysql is still alive

[06:41] <Gnea> rommel092079: actually, ubuntu-server is probably more of what you'll need
[06:41] <Gnea> you can still use mysql, of course
[06:41] <hillary> STMelon,  ok it is updating . I will do "sudo apt-get install libreoffice'
[06:41] <dr_willis> uplinx:  if you want 4 monitors going at the same time you use Twinview. which  is nvidas enhanced xinerama
[06:41] <STMelon> hillary are you using gnome or unity for your DE?
[06:42] <hillary> unity
[06:42] <STMelon> if so, you may need to type sudo apt-get libreoffice-gnome
[06:42] <dr_willis> uplinx:  i have compoziting when using twinview on 2 monitors...
[06:42] <rommel092079> Gnea: with my hardware specs and ubuntu-server, wont I be having problem with multiple connections around 100
[06:42] <Gnea> rommel092079: that sounds more like a network limitation
[06:42] <hillary> STMelon, ok i will do  sudo apt-get libreoffice-gnome then
[06:42] <STMelon> hillary:  but wala! that should give you the latest stable libreoffice
[06:43] <amiu> rommel092079,  no you wont
[06:43] <STMelon> 3.6.2 , if i am corrct, is the latest stable Libreoffice
[06:43] <amiu> rommel092079,  youd also be better off with debian if your not familiar with ubuntu server
[06:43] <rommel092079> amiu: can you expound please  and Gnea: is the a network limitation in ubuntu?
[06:43] <hillary> STMelon, hillary@hillary-ESPRIMO-Mobile:~$  sudo apt-get libreoffice-gnome
[06:43] <hillary> E: Invalid operation libreoffice-gnome
[06:44] <rommel092079> amiu: can I use debian desktop aside from debian server?
[06:44] <dr_willis> use a proper command. ;)
[06:44] <STMelon> hillary: suod apt-get install libreoffice-gnome
[06:44] <STMelon> hillary: my bad, sorry forgot "install"
[06:44] <STMelon> sudo*
[06:44] <Gnea> rommel092079: well the idea behind using a server distribution to run a server is just that: it doesn't need a gui.
[06:44] <amiu> .......you could yes. why are you so insistent on running a desktop configuration for a server?
[06:45] <hillary> STMelon, yes it is installing
[06:45] <Faminexv> for me the best way to manage the server is through ssh.  I never really have any type of display connected unless I can't ssh in
[06:45] <Nach0z> unless you happen to really REALLY like guis, at which point I *might* recommend something like openbox or lxde, that's super lightweight, and an NX server
[06:45] <Nach0z> Faminexv: that's the way to do it right thur.
[06:45] <rommel092079> im not really a user of linux. I am more aware of windows. but guys on windows adviced on to use linux for on windows xp has connectivity limit on multiple users.
[06:46] <rommel092079> im not really a user of linux. I am more aware of windows. but guys on windows adviced on to use linux for on amiu: windows xp has connectivity limit on multiple users.
[06:46] <amiu> id say xubuntu + xampp if your not ready for -nogui
[06:46] <Gnea> rommel092079: well windows xp is a desktop os, not a server os. xubuntu might be a good way to go to keep the bloat down on the gui.
[06:46] <rommel092079> xubuntu?
[06:46] <xiaclo> linux has it as well, but only for VERY high connections, 50-100 won't touch a linux box, desktop or not
[06:46] <Gnea> !xubuntu | rommel092079
[06:46] <Nach0z> mehhhh. xubuntu is kinda fugly
[06:46] <Faminexv> Nach0z: The only way I learned and am glad I did.  Makes managing so much easier
[06:47] <Nach0z> Faminexv: yeah. I started with GUI and just learned as much as I could about terminal while I still had an interface to fall back on when I messed up
[06:47] <amiu> xubuntu is the xfce version of ubuntu (lightweight, uses least amount of ram, cpu, looks like old appleOS)
[06:48] <Faminexv> Nach0z: Nice.  I just started getting back into linux, I set up a apache2 webserver (easiest thing ever) and am working on setting up an email server to manage my forums and server messages
[06:48] <dr_willis> !info lubuntu
[06:48] <dr_willis> !lubuntu
[06:48] <Nach0z> Faminexv: go with nginx >__>
[06:48] <Faminexv> lubuntu is nice if you want lightweight
[06:48] <rommel092079> amiu: will that suffice and dont have limitations on multiple users?
[06:48] <Nach0z> j/s
[06:48] <bazhang> amiu, that would be lubuntu these days. xubuntu is not much lighter
[06:48] <Nach0z> but yeah I gotta go to sleep, it's almost 2 AM and I gotta be up early.
[06:48] <Faminexv> Nach0z: alright man, take it easy
[06:49] <Faminexv> @lubuntu question: it's a pretty decent light weight lubuntu and it's easy to use and manage.
[06:49] <Faminexv> I reccomend that over xubuntu and kubuntu for sure
[06:49] <Faminexv> if i could spell today
[06:49] <amiu> lxde is fugly. xfce is nicer.
[06:50] <Faminexv> It's all personal at that point.  If that's the case just install xfce lol
[06:50] <Faminexv> which i like as well.
[06:50] <Faminexv> I enjoy most distro's of linux.  what makes linux awesome
[06:51] <Faminexv> ever since oracle virtual box lol, i run so many different types just to check them out and play with em'.
[06:51] <hdon> Faminexv, you got it backwards dude. what makes linux awesome is that you can hate a distro, and you don't have to leave your kernel
[06:51] <hdon> or the standard base of commands and such :)
[06:51] <amiu> Ubuntu Studio & debian are all any one ever needs.
[06:51] <Faminexv> hdon: touche
[06:52] <dydzEz2> man im so confused
[06:52] <dydzEz2> i reinstalled windows 8 in legacy and then tried installing ubuntu, but ubuntu didnt see the w8 partitions
[06:52] <Faminexv> anyone want to recommend a good email server?  I've read up on citadel and postfix and what not but i'm looking for other's or some good resources ;)
[06:52] <amiu> exchange server 2013
[06:52] <amiu> :P
[06:52] <Faminexv> rofl
[06:53] <Faminexv> I've used it
[06:53] <Faminexv> and what i was taught on
[06:53] <Faminexv> well 2003
[06:53] <amiu> 2003 is just like 2013 except older
[06:53] <Faminexv> but i'm working on a totally opensource network just to make it
[06:53] <bazhang> !ot | Faminexv
[06:56] <korealinux> hello
[06:56] <korealinux> hello
[06:57] <cfhowlett> korealinux, greetings
[07:00] <huttan> Faminexv: vmware zimbra
[07:01] <thufir_> how do I reload my terminal after editing .bash_profile
[07:02] <huttan> thufir_: source ~/.bash_profile
[07:02] <huttan> if thats the path for it
[07:02] <thufir_> huttan: thx
[07:03] <korealinux> 저
[07:03] <korealinux> 한국사람
[07:03] <korealinux> 잇나요
[07:03] <FloodBot1> korealinux: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:03] <bazhang> !ko | korealinux
[07:03] <korealinux> thank ser
[07:03] <cfhowlett> !ko|korealinux,
[07:06] <anonymousraptr> do i need to remove my current libreoffice before installing 4?
[07:07] <simpleirc1> anon, no
[07:07] <bazhang> anonymousraptr, install from where? what does that guide say?
[07:08] <korea> korea
[07:08] <OerHeks> anonymousraptr, yes, if you can't wait and want to intall from the site >> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/libreoffice-40-available-for-download.html
[07:09] <bazhang> korea, yes, /join #ubuntu-ko as we told you twice before
[07:09] <korea> my teacher where did it
[07:09] <anonymousraptr> do you guys think its best to wait for repository? i can wait
[07:09] <korea> please be my mentoe
[07:09] <bazhang> PPA are not supported nor recommended anonymousraptr
[07:10] <bazhang> korea, then ask an Ubuntu support question
[07:10] <OerHeks> anonymousraptr, i would wait, LO 4 will be in raring
[07:10] <STMelon> 4 has new features along with new bugs as it is RC atm and not stable, I would wait
[07:11] <cfhowlett> korea, be your mentor?  no.  there are mentors in korea.
[07:12] <peeps[lappy]> what do i need to do to get java applets to work in chromium?  i have sun-java6-plugin  installed, but it won't run applets.  it says "Iced Tea was blocked because it was out of date"  I don't want to run icedtea, i want the official java plugin
[07:12] <peeps[lappy]> and icedtea isn't even installed
[07:12] <raptr> oerheks: i saw the press release for lo4 and was interested (and disturbed about people complaining about already) and thought about installing it.
[07:12] <korea> i`m wrong i`m an english
[07:13] <arunkumar413> i guys i have a css file and i want to categorize the code according to the class and elements. Is there an application for that
[07:13] <korea> translation chat while it`s hard
[07:13] <amiu> id try in #web or #css arunkumar413
[07:13] <arunkumar413> join #css
[07:13] <mIKEjONES> ok
[07:14] <korea> who know how to use korean member
[07:14] <cfhowlett> korea, we don't mentor.  we answer specific and detailed questions about ubuntu ...
[07:15] <korea> i`m sorry,i`m up now haget
[07:16] <chaz68> !java7
[07:16] <spyzer> hey everyone, i am being affected by this bug -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pvr-omap4/+bug/1102045
[07:17] <spyzer> May anyone please help me as in if there is some way for me to just proceed ahead
[07:17] <spyzer> i mean can i use ubuntu 12.04 and things can start working?
[07:17] <cfhowlett> korea, look in loco.ubuntu.com for help in korea
[07:17] <aeon-ltd> spyzer: that didn't make much sense
[07:18] <cfhowlett> spyzer, fixing a bug is beyond our powers ...
[07:18] <raptr> korea: 사용 사용하지 마십시오  #ubuntu , 대신 사용합니다  #ubuntu-ko
[07:19] <spyzer> aeon-ltd, cfhowlett sorry i didn't meant bug fixing
[07:19] <spyzer> what i essentially want to ask is if i revert to some other version of ubuntu instead of the latest can this bug be resolved for me?
[07:19] <chaz68> Was trying Java 7 download via webup8team repository and getting this error:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1623556/
[07:19] <chaz68> What's up here?
[07:19] <spyzer> because it was not present in those versions
[07:19] <cfhowlett> spyzer, possibly ...
[07:20] <cfhowlett> spyzer, that said this is on raring?  not even in beta yet!  ask in #ubuntu+1
[07:22] <OerHeks> chaz68, ask the owner of that PPA, as ppa's are not supported here.
[07:22] <chaz68> Any ubuntu supported way to install Java7 without PPA?
[07:23] <arunkumar413> does gedit has a code folder
[07:23] <Senjai> arunkumar413: is this a serious question
[07:24] <STMelon> chaz68: try this .. add this to your source list . update manager/settings/other software/add ------> deb http://www.duinsoft.nl/pkg debs all
[07:24] <STMelon> chaz68: then type in terminal: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 5CB26B26
[07:25] <STMelon> then in terminal sudo apt-get update
[07:25] <STMelon> and sudo apt-get install update-sun-jre
[07:25] <STMelon> oracle java 7
[07:25] <jnhghy> Hi, is there a way to make php/python access(read and write) to a file in /etc/cron.monthly ?
[07:26] <STMelon> chaz68: http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php?t=en website i got the info from for oracle java in ubuntu
[07:26] <Senjai> jnhghy: is there a way to make php/python read and write to a file?
[07:27] <MatthewL> yes, jnhghy, there is
[07:27] <Senjai> MatthewL: nuuu, I was about to have him discover his own asnwer
[07:27] <Senjai> jnhghy: yes, there is, but that question is for ##php or the python equivilant
[07:27] <chaz68> STMelon:  Thanx a bunch... trying it now...
[07:28] <jnhghy> MatthewL: thanks for the your reply, any sugestions?
[07:28] <MatthewL> jnhghy: brb
[07:28] <STMelon> mind you java is very vulnerable these days
[07:28] <STMelon> I do not even have it installed
[07:28] <chaz68> I know.  Will run only on desktop and disable in  browser.
[07:29] <jnhghy> Senjai: I know how to read and right in a file, the issue is the OS because php/python doesn't have permission to write in /etc/cron.monthly, it's not sudo
[07:29] <Senjai> jnhghy: then maybe you should change the permissions of /etc/cron.monthly hmm?
[07:29] <STMelon> ok , this is another site i got it from, i scrolled down to the script version which gave me the site i posted above
[07:29] <STMelon> chaz68: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[07:29] <amos1> ausnet
[07:30] <STMelon> If your system has more than one version of Java, configure which one your system uses by entering the following command in a terminal window
[07:30] <STMelon> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[07:30] <STMelon> ^^
[07:30] <jnhghy> Senjai: I sense some sarcasm? :), have you watched to much Dr.House or you just don't like helping? :)
[07:30] <MatthewL> jnhghy: http://php.net/manual/en/function.file.php
[07:30] <jnhghy> Thanks MatthewL
[07:30] <Senjai> jnhghy: I like helping, but Im not going to tell you the answer, I'd rather help you work through it.
[07:30] <chaz68> Looks like the webupd8team's suppository crapped the bed pretty hard...
[07:30] <chaz68> :-)
[07:30] <Senjai> jnhghy: we are not a repository of : do this and get this
[07:31] <RollinV2> man chown, man chmod
[07:31] <Senjai> jnhghy: we help you learn, whether or not you're willing to is your problem
[07:31] <jnhghy> Senjai: "then maybe you should change the permissions of /etc/cron.monthly hmm?" this is you not giving me the answer and helping me work throw it?
[07:31] <MatthewL> jnhghy: btw, I just referred you to php documentation.
[07:31] <Senjai> jnhghy: I just did
[07:31] <jnhghy> MatthewL I saw
[07:31] <Senjai> jnhghy: Now go find out how to change the read write permissions on a file
[07:31] <MatthewL> google is our friend
[07:31] <Senjai> jnhghy: I brought you from can php do x, to how do i change the permissions on a file so php can do x
[07:32] <RollinV2> manpages
[07:32] <crazybrain> I am using an broadband connection which offers unlimited downloading during offnet hours(02:00AM to 08:00am).But i had to give up my sleep in order to download something..
[07:32] <crazybrain> Is there any tool which can automatically connect to the router and start downloading at 2am to 8am?
[07:32] <jnhghy> Senjai: It is a good idea the permission, didn't know it comes without risk but this is it for know.
[07:32] <crazybrain> I am using Ubuntu 12.10
[07:32] <RollinV2> crazybrain, on windows there is jdownloader. i think it has a linux version
[07:32] <MatthewL> file processing in Linux is a whole diff animal.    Thanks for the alternative download / install...
[07:33] <STMelon> np
[07:33] <jnhghy> Thanks for the help MatthewL, Senjai;
[07:34] <crazybrain> RollinV2: i want something that can connect to the router at 2am and automatically start downloading
[07:34] <crazybrain> I am using PPoE
[07:34] <maxb> Giving anyone other than root access to write to /etc/cron.* is effectively giving them the ability to run arbitrary commands as root, i.e. distinctly unwise
[07:34] <s3r3n1t7> jnhghy, if you want to echo stuff into a write protected file: write it to a temp file, verify it, verify it again, and again, then move it with a script that you set to write protected (so that script cant be edited) .... but just writing from php to such a file is way to dangerous
[07:35] <jnhghy> s3r3n1t7: thanks for the heads up
[07:36] <RollinV2> crazybrain, you could write a python/ruby script to wget or curl the downloads. then set it to fire with a cron job at 2am
[07:36] <RollinV2> crazybrain, but i cant think of any other apps aside from jdownloader. maybe someone else will know.
[07:36] <chaz68> Anybody running an ajaxplorer server here?
[07:37] <s3r3n1t7> crazybrain, use the at command
[07:37] <chaz68> Figured out Pear and all the setups for all the plugins with  the exception of access.S3 plugin.
[07:37] <crazybrain> at command???
[07:38] <s3r3n1t7> the command: at
[07:38] <crazybrain> at what?
[07:38] <crazybrain> btw i am using ZTE 531B router
[07:38] <roger_> type in terminal, "man at"
[07:39] <Senjai> s3r3n1t7: jnhghy: you're right, but as long as this is just for learning it shouldnt be too vulnreble. You could also configure cron to only execute certain files.
[07:39] <chaz68> Trying to configure access.S3 plugin here:  http://ajaxplorer.info/plugins/access/s3/
[07:39] <chaz68> Anyone conquer that one yet?
[07:39] <s3r3n1t7> Senjai, even for learning you should always use a best practice, else later when it's a real world situation you'd still make the same mistakes :-)
[07:40] <crazybrain> roger_: what it will do?
[07:40] <Senjai> s3r3n1t7: you're right.
[07:40] <s3r3n1t7> When im doing apt-get update, the downloads go real quick. However, the Reading package lists step is slower than a bull without legs stuck in glue. Is there a fix around anyone would like to share? :)
[07:40] <ns5> how to query the changelog of a package?
[07:40] <jnhghy> Senjai: this is not only for learning, that's why I come to this place to get correct answers or to get myself redirected to correct answers so if there is anything else I should know please don't keep it from me. :)
[07:41] <roger_> crazy: "man at" will tell you about the at command
[07:41] <helmut_> hi
[07:42] <RollinV2> learn your man pages. open terminal, "man nameofcommandthatconfusesyou"
[07:42] <cfhowlett> helmut_, greetings
[07:42] <Senjai> crazybrain: Please let me refer you to tldp
[07:42] <Senjai> !tell crazybrain about tldp
[07:50] <hillary_> I dont know what i have done to my desktop 12.04. The screen is upside down and left facing. any one to help me restore?
[07:50] <sqrt7744> hillary_, were you playing with xrandr
[07:51] <Nexus7-Ubuntu> yo
[07:52] <hillary_> sqrt7744,  I even not aware what i did !!
[07:53] <sqrt7744> hillary_, oh. Well if you can turn your head sideways for long enough to open the "Displays" program, you can set the rotation there.
[07:55] <hillary_> sqrt7744,  i dont understand ??
[07:56] <aeon-ltd> hillary_: use the monitor as it is, then change the settings
[07:56] <roger_> I have some questions that are basically just out of curiosity. Is there a noticeable hit to performance of win apps under wine?
[07:57] <hillary_> aeon-ltd,  ok let me try
[07:59] <s3r3n1t7> roger_, it's always somewhat slower due to more steps for the same result
[07:59] <roger_> s3r3n1t7: so dual boot is still the best route...?
[08:00] <s3r3n1t7> roger_, pure performance wise ont he same application? yeah
[08:00] <amiu> your better off running windows in a linux virtual machine
[08:00] <amiu> use virtualbox or kvm to run windows
[08:00] <s3r3n1t7> amiu, even then there still is that performance hit due
[08:01] <aeon-ltd> if you have the dvd/iso, just dual boot. unless security or convenience is really necessary
[08:01] <roger_> cool cool..  another question
[08:01] <amiu> then youll have to restart the computer every time you want to switch between a linux app and a windows app
[08:02] <aeon-ltd> amiu: the performance gains are worth it, unless you're running i5/7 with 8gb+ ram and a decent gpu + maybe a ssd
[08:03] <nodaut> Would this be the right place to ask about sql injection?
[08:03] <Nickvcqezname> hi how can I enable quicklist with Nemo file manager on UButuntu 12.04/UNITy
[08:03] <amiu> nope
[08:03] <nodaut> Alright. Thanks
[08:03] <roger_> I played around with a mac a few months back and did some terminal like stuff with it.. I'm assuming linux/unix type of terminal..  Does that mean all the Mac OS's are basically like distro's of linux?
[08:03] <amiu> #mysql or #backtrack or one of the other info sec rooms
[08:03] <nodaut> #mysql
[08:03] <nodaut> okie dokie
[08:03] <aeon-ltd> roger_: no, but they are unix based
[08:04] <aeon-ltd> different kernels
[08:04] <roger_> aeon-ltd: ok..  so unix distro's?
[08:04] <amiu> posix yes, linux no. closer relation to bsd
[08:04] <aeon-ltd> roger_: porting is easy but not perfect (for cli based apps anyway)
[08:05] <circle> how will I know if I need to install some dependencay with winetricks?
[08:05] <aeon-ltd> circle: usually apt pulls them in
[08:05] <dr_willis> the wine app database normally tells circle
[08:05] <dr_willis> !appdb
[08:06] <circle> see, I have the entry for Fl Studio here
[08:06] <circle> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=23334
[08:06] <circle> Where's the entry on what I need to install?
[08:06] <amiu> sudo apt-get build-dep winetricks
[08:06] <dr_willis> build-dep? did  i miss somthing?
[08:07] <Senjai> !tell me about tldp
[08:07] <dr_willis> Senjai:  you mean tldp.org ?
[08:07] <Senjai> dr_willis: I know that site, I just wanted to see what ubottu's entry was
[08:07] <dr_willis> ;)
[08:08] <tripelb> I need help with partitions. fdisk sees them but gparted does not and parted gives me a weird raspberry, " can't have partition outside of drive. Looking over the numbers for start and end of partitions I see no problem. Can you assist me Earthling?
[08:08]  * STMelon chuckles @ Earthling
[08:08] <STMelon> I've always thought aliens had bigger brains than us earthlings
[08:08]  * tripelb injects humor into weeklong situation.
[08:13] <cristian_c> Hi
[08:13] <dr_willis> moo
[08:13] <cristian_c> I run the suspension, but when I resume, things are not much working, for example chromium
[08:13] <cristian_c> I can't open it, and if I launch it from terminal, I get: pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:00:02.1/resource: File or directory not found
[08:13] <cristian_c> I've found that 00:02.1 is the video out, but nothing else :(
[08:14] <cristian_c> How can I solve it?
[08:14] <dr_willis> hibernate  and suspend can be very flakey
[08:14] <dr_willis> video drivers and wireless drivers can often crash and not come back awake
[08:14] <amiu> ^^
[08:16] <cristian_c> dr_willis, it does not happen sometimes, but always
[08:17] <morph3k> anyone up?
[08:17] <amiu> sure
[08:17] <morph3k> u know much about aptitude on a ubuntu 12.04 server
[08:17] <morph3k> using only CLI
[08:18] <dr_willis> theres many docs and guuides on using the package manager system  via the cli....
[08:18] <dr_willis> !apt
[08:18] <morph3k> yea i am reading this one...
[08:18] <cristian_c> dr_willis, any ideas?
[08:18] <melty> lol
[08:18] <morph3k> http://ss64.com/bash/aptitude.html
[08:18] <MoL0ToV> hi to all! i tryed to configure my xubuntu desktop as wireless ap for my phone, but i'm unable to connect. howto configure? is possible trough panel?
[08:18] <dr_willis> cristian_c:   dont use suspend? ;) try closeing the browser befor you suepend..
[08:19] <dr_willis> !ics | MoL0ToV
[08:19] <dr_willis> MoL0ToV:  i recall some smart phones cant do ad-hoc type networking also..
[08:21] <morph3k> im working on editing aptitude-defaults right now
[08:25] <ado_ro> !botsnack
[08:26] <savagecroc> echo content | sudo tee /some/file
[08:26] <savagecroc> how can i change that so content can contain anything
[08:26] <savagecroc> any character any sequence etc
[08:27] <bekks> savagecroc: What exactly are you trying to do? Which file do you want to change?
[08:27] <amiu> any one ever come across an .ecm file and got it working?
[08:27] <dr_willis> echo has some binary echo option i recall. or use a language like perl or pythn to print the string..   but it sounds weird to me sav
[08:27] <bekks> amiu: Most likely, file extensions have no meaning.
[08:28] <bolvary> Hi, I had a problem when installing updates on my lubuntu 12.10. At the moment I cannot boot. When repairing broken packages, they cannot be downloaded? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[08:28] <bekks> amiu: Which programm did create that file?
[08:28] <amiu> wel i need some one who knows how to handle .ecm files
[08:28] <dr_willis> if you cant boot.. how are you repairing files bolvary ?
[08:28] <nicck_> hi
[08:29] <woo> hi nicck_
[08:30] <savagecroc> bekks: i'm trying to dump a 10000 character file
[08:30] <bolvary> dr_willis: when i have the option to choose recovery mode, but normally just gives me the 'laptop login' screen.
[08:30] <savagecroc> bekks: through an ssh channel
[08:30] <dr_willis> savagecroc:  the bash command line has a character limit.. i doubt if that will work
[08:30] <savagecroc> dr_willis: i'm not sure if it's using bash
[08:31] <woo> what bash?
[08:31] <savagecroc> woo: ssh channel not a bash
[08:32] <dr_willis> savagecroc:  i think we need more details  as to what you are doing..  bash is the default shwll on ubuntu for users.. sh for system stuff
[08:32] <lxrt> i am getting this error when i tried to mount my external hard drive "mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device"
[08:32] <dr_willis> lxrt:  fd0 is a floppy drive
[08:32] <lxrt> dr_willis: not it 500G external hard drive
[08:33] <savagecroc> dr_willis: i'm using a programming library called Net::SSH in ruby 1.9.3 to connect to an ubuntu 10.04 server.  I have a configuration file in memory and i'm trying to dump it on the server via using a command
[08:33] <dr_willis> lxrt:  i doubt if its on /dev/fd0 then
[08:33] <dr_willis> lxrt:  see what  'sudo blkid' says about it
[08:33] <savagecroc> now.. i could dump it locally, and then use an scp command to copy it up.. but hmmm
[08:33] <woo> ssh'd into /bin/??
[08:34] <dr_willis> ruby is supposed to have features taht can do stuff like that savagecroc  i belve.. i only have touched ruby slightly
[08:34] <woo> ruby is a web protocol
[08:34] <lxrt> dr_willis: this is the output of blkid /dev/sda1: UUID="09f0c58f-f18f-4a29-a852-31dd93392f14" TYPE="ext4"
[08:34] <savagecroc> woo: no it's not, it's a scripting language
[08:34] <dr_willis> im pretty sure ruby can do  network communications.
[08:35] <woo> oh the way I understood it was that its just easy access points
[08:35] <savagecroc> dr_willis: yeah the Net:SSH has various functions.. nothing about dumping files from strings in memory to local then
[08:35] <dr_willis> lxrt:  so your system is seeing a single partion  on sda1 .  no fd0
[08:35] <savagecroc> woo: yeah.. it started of as a scripting language .. and then they built web stuff on top of it.. it's been around since 95
[08:35] <woo> scripts used to make things easier to remember
[08:35] <lxrt> dr_willis: it seeing the hard drive too... it show up there but cant mount it
[08:36] <savagecroc> woo: haha, yeah i use scripts to basically document linux commands
[08:36] <dr_willis> lxrt:  shows up where? your output showed exxatly one hard drive seen on the system...  what does 'sudo fdisk -l' say? does it show more then just sda1 ?
[08:36] <savagecroc> e.g.. def start;  sudo "service postgresql start"; end
[08:36] <woo> and drive like proxy's?
[08:37] <woo> driven*
[08:37] <woo> Im having a real hard time adding a group to admin
[08:38] <jennie> I installed 'keyboard and mouse' and 'mouse and touchpad'  from ubuntu software center but I am unable to locate / open them , please tell how do I open them ?
[08:39] <dr_willis> jennie:  a batter question is why did you ionmstall them?
[08:40] <lxrt> itdr_willis: fdisk -l shows only sda partition but iin the GUI device section show floppy disk, but actualy is a 500G external hard drive
[08:40] <woo> jennie: I would just check the history in the ubuntu software center and look for the command.  may be
[08:40] <jennie> I want to accelerate mouse motion , mouse is too slow and default option in ubuntu are not making it fast
[08:40] <dr_willis> lxrt:  i think you are confused.. its showing a floppy disk. because you have a Floppy controller on the pc.. thats NOT saying its a external hard drive.
[08:40] <dr_willis> lxrt:  fdisk and blkid both show that only one hard drive is being seen
[08:42] <dr_willis> lxrt:  normally when you plug in a usb hard drive.. it auto mounts and pops up a dialog/file manager window to show its contents