[21:55] <Joeseph> deniz_: alright. just a sec (I'm using icewm, but I know how to get to the terminal)
[21:55] <gralco> Odd-rationale: i am though
[21:55] <kenro> Flare183:  ah OK. What ever happened to E17?
[21:55] <Laughed> flare: using f1 when the screen goes blank did nothing. Using it in recovery mode at the root. nothing
[21:55] <macrobad> Docfxit: sudo asks you for a password, but when it is started automatically, whom should it ask?
[21:55] <JonZenor> okay, that finished, now the sudo -apt-get update worked
[21:55] <shawn_selig29> hi guys
[21:55] <l815> how can i enable the back and forward buttons on my mouse to work in the folder manager?
[21:55] <deniz__> Jack_Sparrow, wats overhead of runnin an OS?
[21:55] <shawn_selig29> i just installe dubunt on my laptop
[21:55] <Flare183> Laughed: I don't know....
[21:55] <shawn_selig29> i need some help
[21:55] <berlylabs> zosso: again asking for another command
[21:56] <Flannel> JonZenor: after the update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:56] <Slart> shawn_selig29:  just tell us what the problem is
[21:56] <Flare183> kenro: I don't know just kinda fell off
[21:56] <zossso> berlylabs: Goto System->Preferences->Sound
[21:56] <Joeseph> deniz__: I see a Master with a red line up it, and then a "Master M" with lines up to red
[21:56] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Try logging in on that page I sent you.
[21:56] <JonZenor> okay, that's running
[21:56] <shawn_selig29> ok..im trinyg to install a p2p program like frostwire
[21:56] <berlylabs> I'm there
[21:56] <Docfxit> macrobad » I'll take that out and see if it runs.
[21:56] <gralco> Odd-rationale: hmm
[21:56] <Flare183> !p2p | shawn_selig29
[21:56] <shawn_selig29> i see i need java first.....i went to javas site..but i dunno hwoto install it
[21:56] <hischild> Flare183, cube, rotate cube, expo, enhanced zoom, negative, animations, wobbly window, window decoration, jpeg, png, svg, text, resize info, dbus, regex matching, workaround, vid playback
[21:56] <ubotu> shawn_selig29: Peer-to-peer filesharing clients are available for several networks/protocols, including !BitTorrent, !Gnutella, !eDonkey, !DirectConnect, !SoulSeek - Multi-protocol engines include !MLDonkey and !giFT - See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information
[21:56] <zossso> berlylabs: Is everything auto detect?
[21:57] <Laughed> ati goes blank on startup, can only boot up in recovery mode
[21:57] <cl3tUs> Here's my Source.list file:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58533/
[21:57] <berlylabs> all except sound capture
[21:57] <Docfxit> macrobad » it still doesn't run.
[21:57] <zossso> berlylabs: What is device?
[21:57] <cl3tUs> I appreciate it.  I want to use this more, but dno't have the chance...yet.
[21:57] <shawn_selig29> wats the best p2p for ubuntu?
[21:57] <Docfxit> macrobad » Could it be a permissions problem in the passwd file?
[21:57] <l815> torrents :)
[21:57] <kenro> Flare183: I recently came across a Lin-dist called gOS. Based on E16 and interplay with Google...
[21:57] <Flare183> shawn_selig29: bitrorrent
[21:57] <shawn_selig29> but for doing single songs p2p is easier.
[21:57] <berlylabs> zosso sound capture is set to ALSO
[21:57] <JonZenor> thanks guys for taking hte time to help me work on this
[21:57] <Flare183> bitorrent*
[21:57] <macrobad> Docfxit: just put the password into a file in your home folder, not root, if it is not there yet.
[21:58] <Jack_Sparrow> deniz__, Kernel restrictions from what I read..  One suggestion was to use the server kernel to get access to all 4 gigs per  http://samiux.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/how-to-use-4-gb-ram-on-a-32-bit-ubuntu/
[21:58] <berlylabs> zosso btw if i hit test for sound it gives me this audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing.
[21:58] <Flare183> kenro: cool
[21:58] <cl3tUs> Flannel:  In terminal, I did a "su" and am identified as root, so do I still have to use "sudo"?
[21:58] <beat1-> Can anyone help me in getting the optical out of my soundcard to work?
[21:58] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Can you pm me...
[21:58] <Flare183> hischild: same ones i have checked
[21:58] <steve176> shawn_selig29: apt-get install -y sun-java6-jdk sun-java6-jre then add JAVA_HOME='/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun' to /etc/environment
[21:58] <gralco> Odd-rationale: im logged in but its not giving me permission
[21:58] <kenro> Flare183: I wasn't thrilled by the emplementation...
[21:58] <fbc> how do you run vnc before you login?
[21:58] <gralco> on the forums?
[21:58] <zossso> berlylabs: try to change the sound playback to something else and test
[21:58] <Flare183> !who | gralco
[21:58] <ubotu> gralco: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[21:58] <Laughed>  ati goes blank on startup, can only boot up in recovery mode, dont know what to do
[21:58] <steve176> shawn_selig29: I use wine and utorrent for p2p
[21:58] <Flare183> kenro: hehe wow
[21:58] <Joeseph> deniz__: sorry for being impatient, but did you have any other advice for me?
[21:59] <hischild> Flare183, yeah ... idk why it's causing the lag ... but i'm goin to reinstall anyway so =)
[21:59] <Flare183> !bittorrent | shawn_selig29
[21:59] <ubotu> shawn_selig29: Torrent clients: Transmission (GTK and terminal-based), Deluge-Torrent, Freeloader, BitStormLite, BitTornado-GUI (GTK), KTorrent (KDE), QTorrent (Qt), Azureus (Java), TorrentFlux (web-based), bittornado, rTorrent, cTorrent, bittorrent, aria2 (terminal-based) - FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html - See also !P2P
[21:59] <deniz__> Joeseph, sry i dont no more but i do think ur problem will be solved in that terminal command
[21:59] <berlylabs> zossso: all of them give me an error
[21:59] <Flare183> hischild: then uncheck some of them
[21:59] <Flare183> hischild: ok...
[21:59] <zossso> berlylabs: hmm, what is your Default Mixer Tracks device?
[21:59] <shawn_selig29> steve176,  i tried that it said  somehting then has root ?
[21:59] <hischild> Flare183, tried with all of em unchecked ... still same result ... yet when i switch to metacity the lag dissapears
[21:59] <berlylabs> it's blank
[21:59] <steve176> sorry you need to put 'sudo' first
[22:00] <Flare183> hischild: then don't use compiz-fusiion
[22:00] <steve176> shawn_selig29: sudo apt-get ...
[22:00] <Flare183> fusion*
[22:00] <berlylabs> also there is nothing in the drop down for it
[22:00] <kenro> Flare183:  But yes, E-gnome, fBSD42 was my first experience with *nix.
[22:00] <Docfxit> macrobad » That's exactly what I did.
[22:00] <Laughed> so ubuntu has been around for a year and there is still no fix for ati users... wow
[22:00] <zossso> berlylabs: k, one minute
[22:00] <hischild> Flare183, hence my searching for something different ...
[22:00] <Flare183> kenro: yeah
[22:00] <Flare183> hischild: ok
[22:00] <Joeseph> deniz__: all it is doing is showing me what is muted and such, I don't think It does anything
[22:00] <Docfxit> macrobad » And it's looking for it in my home folder now.
[22:00] <slavik> the xen kernel image, is it a 32bit kernel?
[22:01] <hischild> Flare183, thanks for thinking along though .... sidenote: you're not THE flare from sourceforts ... right?
[22:01] <Starnestommy> slavik: I think it's 64-bit if your version of Ubuntu is 64-bit
[22:01] <Flare183> hischild: sourceforge yeap
[22:01] <cl3tUs> Flannel:  All I'm trying to do is get the .ko file for the network card to load it into our Linux preboot and be done with it.  The doc that I have on how to do that is weird and doesn't completely make sense, but I'm trying it.  Unless there is another way.
[22:01] <slavik> nice
[22:01] <hischild> Flannel, not sourceforge... the game/mod sourceforts
[22:01] <Odd-rationale> gralco: You are 100% sure you are logged on?
[22:01] <Laughed> hwats the point of ubuntu if it has all these problems
[22:02] <Laughed> I thought ubuntu was supposed to make linux easier for people
[22:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Laughed, Please dont troll
[22:02] <Flare183> hischild: I don't think so....
[22:02] <Laughed> how am I trolling
[22:02] <hischild> Flare183, ok =)
[22:02] <Laughed> I came here for help
[22:02] <mutable> hello guys, i cannot use "Ctrl-Shift-Enter" in midnight commander, this should add absolute file name to propmt, i asked my friends and it worked for them, could it be some X keyboard settings or what? thx for help.
[22:02] <gralco> Odd-rationale: yes its not giving me permission
[22:02] <Flare183> Laughed: it is when you have the right hardware
[22:02] <kenro> Flare183:  Early QT was crap, at least in BSD. I stayed with Gnome for a long time, fervently disdaining such 'qtsie' widgetsets. :)
[22:02] <Laughed> lmao, the right hardware
[22:02] <l815> Laughed, if everyone was as demanding as you, no one would be helped
[22:02] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Hold on...
[22:02] <Flare183> kenro: you got that right
[22:02] <Laughed> 1815 ive been here for an hour
[22:02] <Laughed> I didnt realize there was a number i was supposed to take
[22:02] <l815> Laughed, and there are 1246 people here
[22:02] <Laughed> or a line i was supposed to get
[22:03] <Laughed> okay where is the line
[22:03] <Starnestommy> Laughed: there isn't.  Have you checked https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI?action=show&redirect=BinaryDriverHowto%2Fati ?
[22:03] <l815> Laughed, there is no line, just wait and see if someone can help, otherwise google is also a good tool
[22:03] <hischild> Laughed, it really depends on your attitude ....
[22:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Laughed, What video card and what issue.
[22:03] <JonZenor> okay, the upgrade command finished
[22:03] <JonZenor> now what?
[22:03] <beat1-> Can anyone help me in getting the optical out of my soundcard to work?
[22:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Laughed, You would have another hour to wait if you were on hold with MS
[22:03] <Flare183> !anyone | beat1-
[22:03] <ubotu> beat1-: In place of  "Does anyone/anybody...", please be aware, one persons expert is another persons beginner, please ask your question in full, then see what helps!
[22:04] <Laughed> hischilld: attitude are you serious... okay, Im blowing rainbows out my butt, happy
[22:04] <JonZenor> now reboot?
[22:04] <l815> beat1-, what's the exact problem?
[22:04] <lgierth> is there a possibility to generate a second gnupg key pair? my problem is that the pair is automatically saved as (pub|sec)ring.gpg
[22:04] <gralco> Odd-rationale: never mind i know what i need to do now
[22:04] <macrobad> Docfxit: Let's sum it up. You have placed the file with password in ~/.vnc/, fired up the listed command, but it didn't work. Could it be that you have copied the file from root to yourself with the help of su or sudo?
[22:04] <steve176> Is there any way to make variables defined in /etc/environment visible in bash scripts? tried using source, but my script calls a third party script that needs JAVA_HOME
[22:04] <beat1-> l815, I don't know how to activate the optical out of my soundcard
[22:04] <Odd-rationale> gralco: What's that?
[22:04] <zossso> berlylabs: you seen this post?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/+bug/146300a
[22:05] <gralco> Odd-rationale: i didnt register it through my email
[22:05] <Odd-rationale> gralco: oh, :P
[22:05] <l815> beat1-, what do you mean by optical?
[22:05] <macrobad> Docfxit: what does 'ls -l filename' gives you?
[22:05] <beat1-> Digital optical output
[22:05] <Darkmystere> Err. how can i update to newest X.org im thinking of updating to the newest ATI Drivers and i heard it needs latest X.org
[22:05] <shawn_selig29> steve176 pls check your pm
[22:05] <Laughed> starnes: I used that link and it stops being affective after sudo demod -a
[22:05] <l815> beat1-, oh i'm not that advanced yet .. do you get any sound?
[22:05] <JonZenor> yay
[22:05] <JonZenor> it works
[22:06] <JonZenor> thanks guys :D
[22:06] <punkshui> I am trying to recover a lost ODT document which has a days worth of work in it. could i look in a temp folder somewhere to see if open office backed the file up. the computer crashed before it was saved
[22:06] <daani> hy all
[22:06] <Laughed> hey daani
[22:06] <Laughed> there is a line
[22:06] <Docfxit> macrobad » yes I did.
[22:06] <Starnestommy> there is no line
[22:06] <ogre> anyone tell me how to fix this? ogre@HappyLappy:~$ cp ipwlwifi-ucode-2.14.1/iwlwifi-3945.ucode /lib/firmware
[22:06] <eck090> hey
[22:06] <JonZenor> so, did this upgrade me to gutsy?
[22:06] <ogre> cp: cannot stat `ipwlwifi-ucode-2.14.1/iwlwifi-3945.ucode': No such file or directory
[22:06] <l815> no one said there is a line
[22:06] <beat1-> l815, yes I do. Sound is working great. I just want to get the optical out running so I can use another external DAC
[22:06] <beat1-> :P
[22:06] <frank23> punkshui: did you try opening OOwriter again?
[22:06] <Laughed> yes you tdid, and if we dont like you, you ll have to wait llonger
[22:06] <l815> lol that's out of my range man, sorry
[22:06] <zossso> berlylabs: did it work at one time?
[22:06] <beat1-> no problem, thanks for helping anyway ;)
[22:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Laughed, may I have a brief pm
[22:07] <kenro> Flare183:  fBSD and Debian, at the time, were all i could get to install. 6 floppys and net-inst. BSD seem(ed) to have i-node problems, occasionally going nuts on compile and wrecking its own virt devices. By the time I opted to stick with Debian, KDE was the kuul desktop for me. :) Been there ever since.
[22:07] <l815> no no one said there is a line
[22:07] <gralco> Odd-rationale: so what do i do with the tar.gz
[22:07] <Laughed> go for it
[22:07] <punkshui> frank23 yes. it reloaded the document but it was a much much earlier version of it
[22:07] <Digi> whats the default add and remove list ffor unbuntu
[22:07] <mutable> hello guys, i cannot use "Ctrl-Shift-Enter" in midnight commander, this should add absolute file name to propmt, i asked my friends and it worked for them, could it be some X keyboard settings or what? thx for help.
[22:07] <Odd-rationale> gralco: You have it? Right-click and say extract.
[22:07] <shawn_selig29> can someone give me one on one help for installing java in ubuntu via pm?
[22:07] <macrobad> Docfxit: I bet the file in your folder belongs to root, and the permissions look like rw-------
[22:07] <Kl4m> anyway has a way for the network config to remember the WPA PSK? the GUI tool forgets it after a reboot
[22:07] <gralco> Odd-rationale: extract to?
[22:07] <Kl4m> *Anyone
[22:08] <steve176> shawn_selig29: No pm visible. Maybe a NAT issue
[22:08] <hwilde_> Kl4m, put it in your /etc/network/interfaces file
[22:08] <shawn_selig29> oh
[22:08] <hwilde_> !java | shawn_selig29
[22:08] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Anywhere really, "Extract here" is easiest
[22:08] <ubotu> shawn_selig29: To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[22:08] <kosa> hello
[22:08] <asker> anyone who is using a proxy? how to configure it?
[22:08] <Odd-rationale> gralco: wait.
[22:08] <Ergo^> Flannel: it seems gparted allows to resize and move ntfs too
[22:08] <Flare183> kenro: yeah ever since I had problems with gnome (see this page for more details: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/richardson183 ) I have been with KDE ever since
[22:08] <shawn_selig29> ill chekc out link thanks
[22:08] <macrobad> Docfxit: 'sudo chown docfxit filename' will change the owner
[22:08] <Starnestommy> asker: depends on the type of proxy
[22:09] <asker> Starnestommy: a proxy which anonymizes. and i also need one. have none yet.
[22:09] <therethinker> Something's odd with my recent install. I used Wubi. It was a fine the first few times, then it would stop booting (no RAID disks found), but if you tried enough times it'd eventually work. Now it doesn't work at all. I've tried CHKDSK & --acpi=off neither help
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> gralco: I'll tell you what. Create a new folder in your home directory and call it ".compiz" put the tar ball in there and then right-click and say extract here.
[22:09] <Starnestommy> asker: try tor
[22:09] <legolaswood> Hi
[22:09] <Lifeisfunny> asker: are you using tor w/vidalia ?
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> gralco: That way we are both on the same line...
[22:09] <shawn_selig29> Reading package lists... Done
[22:09] <shawn_selig29> Building dependency tree
[22:09] <shawn_selig29> Reading state information... Done
[22:09] <shawn_selig29> E: Couldn't find package then
[22:09] <shawn_selig29> is wat it ocmes up in terminal
[22:10] <shawn_selig29> after i typed the command steve176 gave me
[22:10] <steve176> Anyone know one of the urls where I can paste a script and get a quick link?
[22:10] <Jack_Sparrow> shawn_selig29, Please use the pastebin
[22:10] <steve176> pastebin thx
[22:10] <legolaswood> Does any one here ever bought something from shop.canonical.com ?
[22:10] <therethinker> steve176: pastebin.org
[22:10] <asker> Starnestommy: i just use ubuntu.  and a package ready would be nice.
[22:10] <kenro> Flare183:  With me, it wasn't the dte. I was getting errors to the effect "Can't write to device. No more room". Often in the sysinst. I must've winformatted 1000 times in 3 months.
[22:10] <Starnestommy> asker: use the "tor" package
[22:10] <punkshui> I am trying to recover a lost ODT document which has a days worth of work in it. could i look in a temp folder somewhere to see if open office backed the file up. the computer crashed before it was saved
[22:11] <Lifeisfunny> asker:  load tor and get vidalia and they can help you in to tor channel on the debian servers
[22:11] <Flare183> kenro: ouch
[22:11] <asker> Starnestommy: Lifeisfunny: ok
[22:11] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Got that done?
[22:11] <gralco> Odd-rationale: what do i do next
[22:11] <therethinker> punkshui: did nothing happen when you opened OO again?
[22:11] <punkshui> therethinker it loaded a much earlier version of it
[22:11] <gralco> Odd-rationale: yes
[22:12] <Starnestommy> asker: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR has some more information about tor
[22:12] <Jack_Sparrow> punkshui, try this  http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=32813
[22:12] <legolaswood> I am looking for some one which have a https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=123 it is Ubuntu Ogio Messenger Bag
[22:12] <kenro> Flare183:  I'm telling you. ;) After I'd defoliated my cranium and got familiar with *nix and Linux, I've considered myself in computer users' heaven.
[22:13] <punkshui> Jack_Sparrow: thank you
[22:13] <Darkmystere> err, what does this mean..:(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
[22:13] <Odd-rationale> gralco: open the plugins folder. right-click the plugins.sh and in permissions make it executable.
[22:13] <Darkmystere> And how can i fix it
[22:13] <Docfxit> macrobad » I will try that. I have to go now. Thank you very much for your help.
[22:13] <BellaD> how do I get sound back after am desktop reinstall from fresh kernel?
[22:13] <asker> Starnestommy: Lifeisfunny: thank you both.
[22:13] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Right-click --> Properties --> permissions.
[22:14] <kenro> Flare183:  Does that make me a penguin or a platypus?
[22:14] <macrobad> Docfxit: Not at all! Happy hacking!
[22:14] <Flare183> kenro: You know.. People like you and me have been through he** working with Windows, I switched to Linux everything was a easy as mess
[22:14] <shantzu> hello
[22:14] <Flare183> kenro: a pengiun hehe
[22:14] <Digi> '[
[22:14]  * Flare183 can't spell
[22:14] <Docfxit> :-)
[22:14] <gralco> Odd-rationale: in the permissions?
[22:14] <vimana> so i've been trying to install a new version of ubuntu on my comp but i can't because every time i boot i go into grub immediately- i've tried pressing f2 and esc on startup but i can't get into the bios
[22:14] <shantzu> i have an Asus P5B-VM mainboard, could anyone please advise me what video driver to use ?
[22:14] <vimana> what do y'all suggest
[22:14] <vimana> ?
[22:14] <lordice> what program i can use for carch video from my webcam?
[22:14] <shawn_selig29> steve176 could you paste me exactly what i gottatype in temrinal to install java and link me to it on pastebin?
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> gralco: The permissions tab of the properities window of the plugins.sh fils
[22:15] <lordice> *catch
[22:15] <slavik> shantzu: the free one that comes with X
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> *file
[22:15] <ompaul> !webcam | lordice
[22:15] <ubotu> lordice: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[22:15] <lordice> !webcam
[22:15] <shantzu> slavik: i'm using the default one right now, but i can't use compiz, is it because of the driver or am i doing something else wrong ?
[22:15] <Digi> 'E: Type '--21:10:01--' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list
[22:16] <gralco> Odd-rationale: i have no idea what your talking about
[22:16] <BellaD> sounds card present but no sound after a fresh desktop reinstall any Ideas?
[22:16] <kenro> Flare183:  I'd investigated LFS, but keep getting cheap excuses why not to commit. I wanna be a platypus.
[22:16] <slavik> could be that the driver doesn't support it
[22:16] <slavik> are you using the built in video?
[22:16] <Digi> whats the  first
[22:16] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Do you have a plugins.sh file?
[22:16] <Flare183> kenro: ok....
[22:16] <shantzu> slavik, yes i am
[22:16] <shantzu> slavik: afaik it's a intel x3300 chipset
[22:16] <vimana> does anyone have any idea =
[22:16] <Laughed> Im being threatned with a ban by Jack_Spartrow because I am an ATI user and need help, is this what you call a community
[22:17] <slavik> shantzu: try to run compiz in terminal and tell me what it says
[22:17] <beat1-> Can anyone tell me where the .asoundrc is located?
[22:17] <vimana> how do i boot from cd?
[22:17] <steve176> shawn_selig29: http://pastebin.com/d49e06270
[22:17] <Digi> how do I see the sources lists
[22:17] <apo> l815: Is it working? :)
[22:18] <kenro> Flare183: And you didn't know back when Debian and raw Linux kernel were getting started people were considering the platypus as mascot... ;)
[22:18] <shantzu> slavik: could i paste the text in private please ? it's about 3-4 lines and i won't want to flood the channel
[22:18] <gralco> Odd-rationale: or run the plugins.sh in terminal
[22:18] <daani> what is the best partition for linux ? now i have linux on ext 2 partition...?
[22:18] <slavik> shantzu: pastebin :)
[22:18] <apo> gralco: pastebin
[22:18] <steve176> shawn_selig29: just noticed I missed a \
[22:18] <slavik> !pastebin | shantzu
[22:18] <ubotu> shantzu: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:18] <apo> Damn!
[22:18] <apo> Too slow :/
[22:18] <shawn_selig29> can i install java from add/remove?
[22:18] <gralco> Odd-rationale: seems like thats working
[22:18] <BellaD> can somebody help me
[22:18] <slavik> shawn_selig29: that or synaptic
[22:18] <rabby> hi
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> gralco: You have to make plugins.sh executable first.
[22:18] <gralco> apo: huh
[22:18] <steve176> shawn_selig29: fixed http://pastebin.com/m135ab4e6
[22:19] <gralco> Odd-rationale: one sec
[22:19] <rabby> can You tell me, please, how to move a (x) application to foreground if only knowing its PID?
[22:19] <kenro> Flare183:  Don't respond. ;) I'll quit bothering you.
[22:19] <shantzu> slavik: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58537/
[22:19] <slavik> anyone have any experience with xen?
[22:19] <Flare183> kenro: ok
[22:19] <shawn_selig29> thxs steve...do i gotta enter all that in temrinal?
[22:19] <rabby> is there any shell tool You can tell me for that reason?
[22:19] <l815> apo, lol to be honest i gave up and went with deluge
[22:19] <kenro> -_-\
[22:19] <steve176> shawn_selig29: yes
[22:19] <apo> l815: Heh, fair enough.
[22:19] <shawn_selig29> its going
[22:19] <shawn_selig29> :)
[22:19] <shawn_selig29> thxs man
[22:20] <l815> apo, i will play with it whenever i have some time to spare
[22:20] <slavik> shantzu: your card has been blacklisted, I would not recommend unlisting it ... since it might report some functionality that is not actually there, but I never tried compiz on intel cards
[22:20] <shantzu> slavik: is there anything i could do to use compiz with this card ?
[22:20] <`David> how do i configure dial-up on ubuntu?
[22:20] <shawn_selig29> then i gotta figure out wat p2p application to use limwre or frostwire or other....somehting nstead of torrents..anyone have any suggestions?
[22:20] <apo> l815: Good boy ;)
[22:20] <gralco> Odd-rationale: i just extracted the plugins.sh onto the desktop
[22:21] <apo> l815: If you're hopping onto the terminal train, also try irssi for IRC. :P
[22:21] <gralco> Odd-rationale: then started it in the terminal
[22:21] <`David> how do i configure dial-up on ubuntu???
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> gralco: You mean plugins.tar.gz? or plugins.sh?
[22:21] <bsdnewb07> when i try to connect via ssh i get the error - server closed remote connection, whats this mean
[22:21] <gralco> Odd-rationale: plugins.sh
[22:21] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Hardware modem or soft / win modem?
[22:22] <`David> hardware
[22:22] <`David> GTW V.92 VOICE MODEN #2
[22:22] <`David> on com4
[22:22] <DavidCraft>  I need to ghost a 2 partition windows drive in linux, what program would you all sugest?
[22:22] <DavidCraft> I will be booting from a LiveCD
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Sorry, your getting me confused :) You copied the plugins.sh to your desktop?
[22:22] <Seveas> !dialup | `David
[22:22] <ubotu> `David: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto - Also try disabling/removing KNetworkManager if KDE applications cannot connect using dial-up
[22:23] <shawn_selig29> steve176..heres wat it finshed with is this right:?
[22:23] <shawn_selig29> http://pastebin.com/d73c66f22
[22:23] <`David> i tried all on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[22:23] <`David> and nothing
[22:23] <kenro> Anyone know why broadcom NID bitches about no microcode, yet fwcutter doesn't retrieve any from the driver? stated differently... Why doesn't my wlan function, after I've done everthing I should?
[22:23] <`David> its the first time i've used ubuntu
[22:23] <haggis> Hi guys, I have a problem! I tried to change the resolution using "Screen & Graphics". I was prompted to reboot, and so I did. After that, Ubuntu booted into "Low resolution mode" and has switched driver to "vesa" (I originally used fglrx since I'm on an ATI RADEON).   I try, but it's telling me that an error that starts with "E:" and that it can't find GCC 3.4
[22:24] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Do you want me to try and help you with that.
[22:24] <shantzu> slavik: it seems that installing Xgl solved the problem
[22:24] <`David> i would
[22:24] <`David> can i run .exes in ubuntu?
[22:24] <kiran> Hi Everyone, Is it possible to resolve your contacts IP adress withing Amsn, I got some weirdo who is showing some grose things on his webcam, and i'd like to report..:s
[22:24] <`David> like my aol disk
[22:24] <Starnestommy> `David: with wine
[22:25] <`David> wine?
[22:25] <Starnestommy> !wine
[22:25] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[22:25] <judgen> with a geforce 440go, should i use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[22:25] <LjL> `David, WINE won't help you with configuring your dialup.
[22:25] <slavik> shantzu: I dislike xgl
[22:25] <slavik> because it is a software layer on top of X
[22:25] <shantzu> slavik: why's that ?
[22:25] <shantzu> hmm
[22:26] <Odd-rationale> gralco: OK. Do you have it? or shall we start all over?
[22:26] <judgen> with a geforce 440go, should i use nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[22:26]  * slavik had to use xgl with ati
[22:26] <slavik> with nvidia, it is so much nicer :)
[22:26] <vimana> i am having problems booting from cds. Anyone have any idea how I can fix my problems?
[22:26] <`David> so i can't use WINE to install my aol software?
[22:26] <slavik> `David: why do you need aol?
[22:26] <kenro> slavik: Does wine install say NID drivers?
[22:27] <ompaul> `David, blame AOL
[22:27] <shantzu> slavik: well, i think of buying a new video card, but right now i don't have the money, so this is just a temporary solution
[22:27] <LjL> `David, you may be able to install it, but it won't configure your dialup connection.
[22:27] <judgen> `David, why do you need aol?
[22:27] <`David> aol is my isp
[22:27] <slavik> kenro: into wine itself, maybe
[22:27] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Test in terminal sudo screen /dev/ttyS4
[22:27] <slavik> `David: dial-up?
[22:27] <judgen> `David, thought aol was dead =P
[22:27] <`David> all i can get in my area is dial-up
[22:27] <nikok> oh hello o/ noob problem here: trying to install my 3c905c nic, trying to load module using "modprobe 3c59x". Doesn't show up any errors or similar, everything seems to install ok. Am i supposed to see the nic with ifconfig? i mean like "eth1"... eth0 is my integrated nic
[22:27] <Devan> judgen: Sadly, no.
[22:27] <Isaiah> How can I figure out what version og glibc I have installed?
[22:27] <`David> and in order for me to test anything i have to exit out of windows and reboot?
[22:27] <slavik> nikok: yes you are ...
[22:27] <judgen> `David, do you live in a dessert or farthest siberia?
[22:27] <slavik> Isaiah: version 6
[22:28] <`David> i live in the middle of the woods in upstate new york
[22:28] <detryo> hi
[22:28] <nikok> slavik: :O
[22:28] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, You should now be in a Modem terminal window so type "ATZ" then return it should respond ok
[22:28] <`David> jack-desktop
[22:28] <`David> Jack_Sparrow
[22:28] <judgen> `David, isnt that a prettu urban area?
[22:28] <LjL> judgen, he's asking how to configure dialup, it's a pretty legitimate question, no need to be demeanishing
[22:28] <`David> i'm in windows
[22:28] <bsdnewb07> when i try to connect via ssh i get the error - server closed remote connection, whats this mean
[22:28] <haggis> Hi guys, I have a problem! I tried to change the resolution using "Screen & Graphics". I was prompted to reboot, and so I did. After that, Ubuntu booted into "Low resolution mode" and has switched driver to "vesa" (I originally used fglrx since I'm on an ATI RADEON). Now I can't change back. What gives?
[22:28] <gregcha117> im having some trouble installing the nvidia 169.12 driver on hardy heron could someone help me out?
[22:28] <slavik> nikok: I have the same card in my system (and a built in) and it worked out of the box
[22:28] <detryo> do i need in 7.1 any special  codec to play dvds?
[22:28] <judgen> ljl didnt mean it to be
[22:28] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Ok, save that for later..
[22:28] <`David> what did you say so i can write it down?
[22:28] <judgen> ljl i just thought all areas of the us had atleast dsl by now
[22:29] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Use ctrl-A then K to kill the modem terminal
[22:29] <swatTX> hello all. My problem is that I boot into BusyBox(initramfs login) instead of the normal ubuntu login window.
[22:29] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Test in terminal sudo screen /dev/ttyS4
[22:29] <nikok> slavik: i've added it later to my comp... and now trying to load the module manually...
[22:29] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, You should now be in a Modem terminal window so type "ATZ" then return it should respond ok
[22:29] <slavik> judgen: USA has the slowest broadband adoption rate in the world :(
[22:29] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Use ctrl-A then K to kill the modem terminal
[22:29] <judgen> slavik, odd
[22:29] <slavik> nikok: it should auto-load anyway, ubuntu comes with all modules :)
[22:29] <slavik> judgen: not odd, but sad :(
[22:29] <judgen> slavik, must be for political reasons i guess
[22:30] <gralco> Odd-rationale: one sec
[22:30] <slavik> judgen: more like everything between the east and west coast, telecoms don't care about
[22:30] <`David> ok then what
[22:30] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Now that we know the modem is working we need to make a symlink to connect ttyS4 to the modem
[22:30] <`David> wait what if it isnt working?
[22:30] <`David> do i need to install drivers for it on ubuntu? i'm pretty sure its plug n play
[22:30] <judgen> slavik, i thought missisippi area had quite good connections
[22:31] <slavik> judgen: clusters around big cities ... but texas is as populated (density wise) as NYS for example
[22:31] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Again in terminal type sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS4 /dev/modem   and enter your password when prompted..
[22:31] <Digi> I tried to install wine and now the add and remove list wont populate
[22:32] <punkshui> ok i am having significant doubts about the usability of this system. it crashes continuously i cant rely on it for my work. can someone help me revert to my previous operating system?
[22:32] <legolaswood> I am looking for some one which have a https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=123 it is Ubuntu Ogio Messenger Bag
[22:32] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, You said it was on com4   I didnt know you were still in windows..  but if it is hardware modem..  this will work
[22:32] <slavik> punkshui: what do you have now and what did you have before?
[22:32] <punkshui> i have gutsy now and had xp before
[22:32] <`David> i'm in windows and by hardware u mean its plugged into my mother board right?
[22:33] <ompaul> !windows | `David
[22:33] <ubotu> `David: For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[22:33] <punkshui> slavik i have gutsy now and had xp before
[22:33] <gralco> Odd-rationale: start over
[22:33] <slavik> punkshui: did you replace winxp with gutsy?
[22:33] <macrobad> punkshui: So, what's the trouble? Grab a CD, wipe hard drive and install WinXP.
[22:33] <`David> so after i do that Jack_Sparrow?
[22:34] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, get that far and you should be good to go.
[22:34] <swatTX> how do i get past the (initramfs) login? I boot straight to that
[22:34] <`David> that configures the modem, but how do i connect?
[22:34] <punkshui> macrobad: slavik: my laptop ships with a recovery partition NOT a cd.. i saved the recovery partition when i upgraded to gutsy. i believe there is an image file of the factory settings in it
[22:34] <Odd-rationale> gralco: OK. Delete all the files you created/extracted except for the plugins.tar.gz (the one from the forum) And we'll start this over.
[22:35] <slavik> hmm, dunno tbh
[22:35] <larsemil> today i installed a ubuntu with debootstrap. everything is working fine, allthough the gnome-power-manager doesnt seem to have as many options as i had before. what package do i need to install for this?
[22:35] <steve176> shawn_selig29: just checking
[22:35] <Jack_Sparrow> `da`wvdial or ?
[22:35] <`David> ok i'll try
[22:35] <`David> i'll brb then
[22:36] <gralco> Odd-rationale: where would it be if i had installed
[22:36] <Lifeisfunny> hahaha, it never ends ... someone always shows up trying to get the Linux community to work on their return to Windows.
[22:36] <Odd-rationale> gralco: possible ~/.compiz
[22:37] <macrobad> punkshui: You should start the tool you have used to save the recovery partition and feed it with the image.
[22:37] <steve176> shawn_selig29: it's not the same as I get
[22:37] <macrobad> Lifeisfunny: Indeed, life is funny! ^^
[22:37] <steve176> shawn_selig29: what happens if you type java -version
[22:37] <punkshui> macrobad: the computer comes with this partition with an image in it.. i didnt create it
[22:37] <swatTX> if no one can help can someone point in the right direction?
[22:38] <Lifeisfunny> punkshui, I'm looking at a page on support.microsoft.com explaining how to remove Linux
[22:38] <punkshui> swatTX perhaps you should ask your question again
[22:38] <punkshui> Lifeisfunny: does it require a windows cd?
[22:38] <Starnestommy> swatTX: sounds like there's a bug keeping the system from booting properly
[22:40] <swatTX> Starnestommy: any idea how to get past it. I'm pretty sure it has something to to with my ATI drivers. I just tried to go with the restricted-drivers and when i tried to remove them i locked up and booted into initramfs
[22:40] <larsemil> today i installed a ubuntu with debootstrap. everything is working fine, allthough the gnome-power-manager doesnt seem to have as many options as i had before. what package do i need to install for this?
[22:40] <macrobad> punkshui: Actually, it is a good question. I couldn't figure out how to use recovery partitions. Perhaps, you may need to change the boot sequence in BIOS, or by any means try booting from the recovery partition.
[22:41] <punkshui> macrobad: id like to boot from the recovery partition how do i do that?
[22:41] <Lifeisfunny> punkshui, it does say:       "verify that you have a bootable disk or bootable CD-ROM for the Linux operating system,"   and     "Insert either a bootable floppy disk or the bootable Windows XP CD-ROM, and then press CTRL+ALT+DELETE to restart your computer."
[22:42] <gralco> Odd-rationale: lets start over
[22:42] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Great! You have the plugins.tar.gz, right?
[22:42] <gralco> yes
[22:42] <gnarlyc> Has anyone heard of an issue where, as a user, when clicking on something that needs root access, such as synaptic, doesn't ask for a password the first time you click on it?
[22:43] <shawn_selig29> is ubutnu 8 in final now?
[22:43] <gralco> Odd-rationale: yes
[22:43] <shawn_selig29> cause i think im still running 7.10
[22:43] <Odd-rationale> gralco: OK. Decide where you want to put it. Like ~/Desktop or ~/.compiz
[22:43] <Starnestommy> shawn_selig29: it isn't going to be fully released until next month
[22:43] <slavik> shawn_selig29: there is a freeze but it is not release yet
[22:43] <shawn_selig29> ok
[22:43] <shawn_selig29> i can easily update via soft. update..and keep all my setting and stuff?
[22:44] <macrobad> punkshui: I couldn't find any easy ways, and, thus, formatted my recovery partition. It must be possible to use fdisk to change the active disk, or alter settings of grub.
[22:44] <faileas> hmm
[22:45] <gralco> Odd-rationale: so i need to extract plugins.tar.gz to the desktop
[22:45] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Well, yes.
[22:45] <macrobad> punkshui: What is funny, there is an image of your system on the recovery partition, and I have opened it with Norton Ghost to take out the drivers and specific bundeled soft!
[22:45] <swatTX> I tried using the restricted ATI drivers, didn't like them and went to remove them. During removal my system locked up and now boots to the '(initramfs)' login prompt. Can anyone help me restore my original drivers?
[22:46] <faileas> i need something that'll tell me what hardware is on a system, something like SIW on windows, any suggestions?
[22:46] <gnarlyc> Does anyone know of a fix for...I have to click on synaptic twice to get it to ask for a root password?
[22:46] <macrobad> s/bundeled/bundled
[22:47] <Odd-rationale> gralco: So on your desktop you see a *folder* called plugins ?
[22:48] <Lifeisfunny> gnarlyc:  you can try trashing that link and reconstructing one from scratch
[22:48] <gralco> Odd-rationale: how would i do that if im in in plugins.tar.gz archive
[22:48] <Jack_Sparrow> swatTX, can you use escape on boot to get grub menu and into recovery mode
[22:48] <gralco> Odd-rationale: what am i extacring
[22:48] <kenro> Why do I have an if called 'wlan_rename', and why doesn't eth1 work anymore?
[22:48] <kenro> !test
[22:48] <ubotu> Failed.
[22:48] <gralco> Odd-rationale: extracting*
[22:48] <kenro> test
[22:48] <Lifeisfunny> gnarlyc,    make sure it says     gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic
[22:49] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Open nautilus and find the plugins.tar.gz file. Right click that file
[22:49] <shawn_selig29> wats a good p2p program like frostwire/ limewire?
[22:49] <swatTX> Jack_Sparrow: no. It still stops at the initramfs prompt
[22:49] <deniz__> shawn_selig29, limewire for ubuntu and amule
[22:49] <Odd-rationale> gralco: First, where is the plugins.tar.gz? Put the tar ball on your desktop. It will be easier to explain that way.
[22:50] <deniz__> shawn_selig29, amule is slow but i usually use that if i cant find stuff on other places
[22:50] <shawn_selig29> ok..ill get limewire then i already got java installed
[22:50] <Digi> ok how do I get back to the normal add and remove list
[22:50] <shawn_selig29> thxs
[22:50] <kenro>  Why do I have an if called 'wlan_rename', and why doesn't eth1 work anymore?
[22:50] <gralco> Odd-rationale: tar ball?
[22:50] <bruenig> !repeat | kenro
[22:50] <ubotu> kenro: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[22:51] <Odd-rationale> gralco: the plugins.tar.gz (the extension is known as a tar ball)
[22:51] <bruenig> a gzipped tarball
[22:52] <swatTX> Jack_Sparrow: rather I can press escape to get to grub however recovery mode still stops at the initramfs prompt.
[22:52] <Lifeisfunny> digi, it's not appearing in the menu?
[22:52] <Digi> well I tried to install eine
[22:53] <Digi> oops wine
[22:53] <Digi>  and lost the add ans remove
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> gralco: So you have the plugins.tar.gz on your desktop?
[22:53] <Digi>  it wont populater
[22:53] <gralco> Odd-rationale: yes i do now
[22:53] <kenro> bruenig:  Cool. I felt so ignored I wasn't getting any activity whatsoever. Even among other people. My connection said there was a problem, I was logged in to my isp, but not connected to the the server. Never assume anything. Extrapolate. After you get the facts.
[22:53] <Digi> sorry for types just had surgry
[22:54] <Lifeisfunny> Digi, go into the system / preferences   Main Menu and see if the tick box is wacked
[22:54] <Jack_Sparrow> swatTX, I dont have an answer..Not sure what all happened to that config
[22:54] <kenro> bruenig:  Got it?
[22:54] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Right-click the plugins.tar.gz on your desktop. Go to Properties. Under the Permissions tab, mark the executable check box
[22:54] <swatTX> Jack_Sparrow: thanks for trying.
[22:54] <bruenig> kenro: I don't have the slightest idea what you are rambling on about, my concern is just for you to stop repeat spam
[22:55] <Digi>  are you useing synaptic
[22:55] <swatTX> Jack_Sparrow: I noticed the message "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init" i don't understand that but it doesn't sound good.
[22:55] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Sorry. wrong step. Don't do that.
[22:55] <Digi>  aI think all I need is the string
[22:56] <Digi> to point it back
[22:56] <gralco> Odd-rationale: umm
[22:56] <macrobad> kenro: Your description is not good, actually. You state your problem, and ask why did it arise. Hm.. Because you or one of your programs have changed something! So, what's the question?
[22:56] <kenro> bruenig:  I'm saying I'm milfed about a network connection foul-up that led me to believe I needed to repost.
[22:56] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Instead right-click the plugins.tar.gz and select "extract here"
[22:56] <macrobad> kenro: in other words, elaborate on it
[22:56] <gralco> Odd-rationale: okay
[22:57] <Odd-rationale> gralco: So now you have a folder called "plugins" on your desktop. Riht?
[22:57] <kenro> macrobad:  OK how's this? What's the currently standard wireless network interface?
[22:57] <gralco> Odd-rationale: yes
[22:58] <faileas> kenro: 'standard'?
[22:58] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Open that folder. You will see a file called plugins.sh. Right-click that and mark it as executable.
[22:58]  * faileas tends to go with intel on laptops, otherwise, i look up the HCL
[22:58] <deniz__> how do i install compiz in feisty?
[22:58] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Find it?
[22:58] <gralco> Odd-rationale: how do i do that
[22:58] <gralco> Odd-rationale: yes but i dont see that action
[22:58] <jimd1> i have an hp zx5000.  this is a fresh install of ubuntu 7.10.  upon boot the start up sound begins and then cuts out 1/2 through.  after getting to the desktop there are no sounds.  I attempt to play back any file with audio and the cpu utilization tops out at 100%.  I've attempted to switch to the different sound systems.  No luck.  anyone with any sound skills able to help?
[22:58] <kenro> Could anyone just tell me if eth1 is still the * wlan if?
[22:58] <Lifeisfunny> deniz, visit #Compiz-fusion
[22:59] <deniz__> Lifeisfunny, k, thx
[22:59] <avgeneral> Help! I can't upload pictures to Webshots
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Right-click plugins.sh. Go to properties. and in the Permissions tab, mark the "Allow executing file as program" check box.
[22:59] <Lifeisfunny> kenro, mine has always been eth0 for the internet and eth1 for lan
[23:00] <gralco> Odd-rationale: oh it was already checked
[23:00] <gralco> Odd-rationale: then now what
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Good. Now open a terminal. (your not afraid of the command line are you?)
[23:00] <Lifeisfunny>  dinnertime:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvsoRDvKgi0
[23:01] <gralco> Odd-rationale: hah no
[23:01] <kenro> Lifeisfunny:  Yes it is. Lifeisfunny, I mean. Anyway, what's this wlan_rename I'm getting from ifconfig and NetworkManager?
[23:01] <Odd-rationale> gralco: In the terminal do: cd ~/Desktop/plugins
[23:02] <jimd1> i have an hp zx5000.  this is a fresh install of ubuntu 7.10.  upon boot the start up sound begins and then cuts out 1/2 through.  after getting to the desktop there are no sounds.  I attempt to play back any file with audio and the cpu utilization tops out at 100%.  I've attempted to switch to the different sound systems.  No luck.  anyone with any sound skills able to help?
[23:02] <Devan> !repeat | jimd1
[23:02] <ubotu> jimd1: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[23:02] <gralco> Odd-rationale: okay XXX@XXX:~/Desktop/plugins$
[23:03] <gralco> Odd-rationale: and now
[23:03] <jagggy> net i'm here :)
[23:03] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Now do "./plugins.sh" (without quotes)
[23:03] <Kalamarencu> how do I find the status of the ethernet card in ubuntu ?
[23:03] <Kalamarencu> using the CLI?
[23:03] <macrobad> kenro: There is no such a standard wireless network interface. Mine is dubbed eth1, but it depends.
[23:03] <jimd1> devan please don't flag me for repeats.  i'm looking for answers not for chastisement
[23:03] <Kalamarencu> ! ethernet
[23:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ethernet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:03] <Kalamarencu> ! device status
[23:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about device status - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:03] <Kalamarencu> ! device listing
[23:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about device listing - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:03] <soulburner> if i have ubuntu installed, can i pop in the windows cd and have it partition the disk? or will it ruin both of my installs
[23:04] <Kalamarencu> ! devices
[23:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about devices - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:04] <Sindacious> Hey, could anyone tell me how I can tell if I have the 64 bit of ubuntu, or the i386 on my machine?
[23:04] <soulburner> partition the disk for a windows isntall that is
[23:04] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Do you have a bunch of stuff installing?
[23:04] <Devan> jimd1: I'm just saying there's no need to repeat your question.
[23:04] <Kalamarencu> how do I go about it ? I mean ow do I find the status of the ethernet adapter?
[23:04] <Kalamarencu> !network adapter
[23:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about network adapter - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:04] <Kalamarencu> !NIC
[23:04] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[23:05] <Jack_Sparrow> jimd1, YOu might want to ask in #Alsa.. or recompile alsa ver15 not 16 and try that.
[23:05] <jimd1> devan:  but i do.  that would be my choice based on inactivity
[23:05] <kenro> macrobad: You think it's a Heron next-buntu thing? maybe the wlan subsystem is screwed up in devel branch right now?
[23:05] <gralco> Odd-rationale: oh i did this before when i ran plugins.sh in the terminal
[23:05] <Kalamarencu> got it
[23:05] <Kalamarencu> ty
[23:05] <macrobad> Sindacious: 'uname -a'
[23:05] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Do you have a menu that asks you which plugin you want to install?
[23:05] <gralco> Odd-rationale: i just closed the terminal instead of choosing the plugins to install
[23:05] <gralco> Odd-rationale: yes
[23:05] <Sindacious> i686, that the 64 bit?
[23:06] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Type 1 and press Enter
[23:06] <kenro> Sindacious:  alt, search your pkg mgr for linux-image
[23:06] <nbkr> Sindacious, No, that's not necessarly a 64bit Ubuntu system.
[23:06] <gralco> Odd-rationale: then press 2?
[23:06] <nbkr> I have the same output on my system and I'm running Ubuntu 32 bit.
[23:06] <kenro> Sindacious: uname -a is quicker.
[23:06] <`David> Jack_Sparrow
[23:06] <macrobad> kenro: Sorry, I had a short network blackout... might have missed something. It might be that something is wrong with Heron, but I am using Gutsy, and cannot tell
[23:06] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Did it finish installing plugin #1?
[23:07] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Isit sill on com4
[23:07] <Sindacious> Ah, Just trying to find out because I have two disks, and they weren't labeled, so I'm not entirely shit WHAT I installed lol
[23:07] <gralco> Odd-rationale: yes
[23:07] <`David> it says com4 is invalid
[23:07] <`David> windows says my modem is in pci slot 3
[23:07] <judgen> i get no screens every time i start xserver-xorg
[23:07] <`David> and ubuntu IS recognizing my modem its showing up on the hardware list
[23:07] <kenro> macrobad:  So just deal with dataport access til it gets sorted, huh?
[23:07] <Odd-rationale> gralco: You will have to rerun the script so do ./plugins.sh in the terminal again (hint: use the up arrow)
[23:07] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, Then it is probably not a hardware modem and I cant help with that
[23:08] <`David> but Jack_Sparrow it shows up on the hardware list on ubuntu
[23:08] <macrobad> Sindacious: It doesn't really matter as long as it works! =)
[23:08] <gralco> Odd-rationale: then 2 and just keep doing htat?
[23:08] <Sindacious> lol thanks :P
[23:08] <`David> PCI Slot 3 (PCI bus 1, device 2, function 0)
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> gralco: When you are presented with the menu again you can install another plugin if you want.
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Yes. 2 and enter
[23:08] <gralco> Odd-rationale: yeah, okay, thanks bro
[23:09] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, go to System—>Administration —>Networking          do you se a modem in tere
[23:09] <Jack_Sparrow> there
[23:09] <neztiti> guys any help?? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58544/
[23:09] <Kalamarencu> need to see the status of the ethernet port- any ideas guys?
[23:09] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Do you have compizconfig-settings-manager?
[23:09] <macrobad> kenro: err... I'd better fetch a cup of coffee now, because I cannot understand what you mean
[23:09] <`David> on ubuntu?
[23:09] <`David> i'm on xp right now
[23:09] <`David> but no i dont in ubuntu i remember
[23:09] <lisciss> How can I copy text from a window in X to a console?
[23:09] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, I wont be able to help...
[23:09] <`David> all it shows is microsoft network
[23:09] <`David> know anyone who can then?
[23:09] <Kalamarencu> `David you are in another dimension
[23:10] <PriceChild> Kalamarencu: 'status' ?
[23:10] <`David> lol i'm completely lost
[23:10] <Jack_Sparrow> `David, http://www.debianadmin.com/setting-up-dial-up-connection-in-ubuntu.html
[23:10] <nbkr> lisciss, What kind of console, gnome-terminal? Then just mark the text in the X window and paste it to the terminal by pressing the middle mouse button.
[23:10] <kenro> macrobad:  So just deal with dataport access (plugin ethernet cord, looks like a telephone cord) til Heron's wlan subsystem gets sorted, huh?
[23:10] <BarryToeman> lisciss: or copy and then paste ctrl+shift+v
[23:10] <gralco> Odd-rationale: umm i have compiz fusions advanced desktop settings
[23:10] <Kalamarencu> PriceChild, if it is up or down and driver version ?
[23:11] <nbkr> neztiti, Whats the problem with that output? The kept back packages?
[23:11] <lisciss> nbkr, not an xterm
[23:11] <Odd-rationale> gralco: That is it. You can enble your 3d windows there. Have fun!
[23:11] <gralco> Odd-rationale: under system>preferences
[23:11] <gralco> Odd-rationale: thanks dude!
[23:11] <lisciss> nbkr, a console not running in X
[23:11] <PriceChild> Kalamarencu: ifconfig
[23:11] <neztiti> nbnbkr: yes
[23:11] <kenro> macrobad:  Specific enought for you?
[23:11] <PriceChild> Kalamarencu: for the latter, not sure.
[23:11] <neztiti> nbkr: yes
[23:12] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Yeah. FINALLY... I think I messed you up a couple times. :)
[23:12] <Kalamarencu> that will do it for me
[23:12] <Kalamarencu> thanks PriceChild
[23:12] <c0rr> DaftPunk: how long you been on irc mang?
[23:12] <DaftPunk> how can i format unpartitiond space with hfs+ in ubuntu? i can only use hfs with gparted and it only lets me go to 2gb... i want hfs+ to install mac as dual boot
[23:12] <macrobad> kenro: I am back. Uh, so you call ethernet a 'dataport'. Yeah, it is.
[23:12] <nbkr> lisciss, No way then, you could try to paste the text on the X system into gvim, copy it from there to a special clipboard (like a), save the vim session, load in on the console, edit a new file and paste the copied text. But I'm not sure if this will really work.
[23:12] <c0rr> i dont think you can format to hfs+, you might wanna do that with disk utility in the os x install
[23:12] <neztiti> nbkr: yes - is it problem or not???
[23:13] <Kalamarencu> !driver version
[23:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about driver version - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:13] <Kalamarencu> !driver
[23:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about driver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:13] <dr_spork> Hey I have to somehow trim a 701.7M avi file to 699M or less. What program should I use to do this quickly / easily?
[23:13] <Kalamarencu> !command
[23:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about command - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:13] <gralco> Odd-rationale: its working
[23:13] <macrobad> kenro: what does ifconfig eth1 give you?
[23:13] <macrobad> kenro: and what about iwconfig eth1?
[23:13] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Pretty cool, eh?
[23:13] <DaftPunk> c0rr, i was going to, but i have other partitions and it said all partitions will be lost even though i "locked" them from being changed during the osx install... so im scared ill lose ubuntu
[23:13] <kenro> macrobad:  ethernet's the protocol. Dataports are what you plug into.
[23:13] <lisciss> nbkr, thats what I usually do ,, but with nano.  It is not a real problem, just not nice.
[23:14] <c0rr> well, back up your stuff, install os x (while leaving free space) then install ubuntu
[23:14] <steven_> Anyone got a minute to help out with some sound problems?
[23:15] <neztiti> nbkr: w8 to do u think ???
[23:15] <nbkr> neztiti, You can force the system to update those packages by entring e.x. "sudo apt-get install mythtv". It will show you what other packages will be changed.
[23:15] <`David> where can i get Gnome Modem Monitor and Network Monitor
[23:15] <macrobad> kenro: I know that ethernet is one of many L2 protocols, I am just not used to referring to it as dataport access, and have always used wired connection instead.
[23:15] <BarryToeman> dr_spork: ffmpeg
[23:15] <benanzo> If I have a private key but lost the public ssh key, can I generate a compatible public key for it?
[23:15] <nbkr> neztiti, I have the same problem with some clamav packages from time to time. By now forcing the system to do the upgrade wasn't any problem yet, but I never installed mythtv.
[23:15] <DaftPunk> c0rr, i dont wanna spend days setting this up, why waste my time when i potentially hav the option to just install osx after partitioning hfs+, instead of doing ubuntu again which will take like days
[23:15] <benanzo> or vice-versa?
[23:16] <nbkr> benanzo, No, thats impossible.
[23:16] <BarryToeman> dr_spork: ffmpeg -i input.avi -b 200K (or whatever you want) output.avi
[23:16] <Odd-rationale> gralco: Well. See you later. gtg!
[23:16] <gralco> later
[23:16] <BarryToeman> dr_spork: ffmpeg will use defaults for whatever parameters you don't specify
[23:17] <benanzo> I have a ssh account on a shared server -- I want to know if someone there grabs the .ssh/authorized_keys file if they'd be able to generate a compatible id_rsa for for it?
[23:17] <kenro> macrobad:  iwconfig by itself shows eth0/eth1 with no wireless extensions. Wireless extensions are, instead, attached to something called  wlan_rename.
[23:17] <neztiti> nbkr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58545/
[23:17] <nbkr> benanzo, Well, ok if would be a gpg key than you could generate the public key from the private one (as the private one normaly contains a copy of the public as far as I remember), but you won't be able to generate the private key out of the public. That would be a huge security leak.
[23:17] <swatTX> I tried using the restricted ATI drivers, didn't like them and went to remove them. During removal my system locked up and now boots to the '(initramfs)' login prompt. Can anyone help me restore my original drivers?
[23:17] <BarryToeman> dr_spork: ffmpeg will reencode it, but i guess you can't call it quick
[23:18] <nbkr> neztiti, Try "sudo apt-get install mythtv mythtv-frontend mythtv-backend mythtv-common mythtv-database mythtv-transcode-utils wine-doors"
[23:19] <danand> neztiti - you can get the system to upgrade the packeges that are "kept back" by doing apt-get install for each of the packages in the list. usually packages are kept back because they now require or depend on extra packages to work. i always see what the system is going to do by running apt-get with the -s flag first ie apt-get -s package_name
[23:19] <macrobad> kenro: Err... It seems that I am not the right guy to help you, but anyway, let me connect my wifi card and see what goes where.
[23:19] <shawn_selig29> hi guys
[23:19] <shawn_selig29> i just relaosed when i try to put my laptop to sleep it doesnt wake up..and i need ot hold power button to restart
[23:19] <shawn_selig29> i got a inspiorn 6400
[23:19] <william____yo> Salut Ça Va
[23:19] <shawn_selig29> is there anyhting i gotta install for it to work?
[23:19] <danand> neztiti - *apt-get -s install package_name
[23:19] <Light-> shawn: just dont put it to sleep then
[23:20] <neztiti> nbkr:  i trided but the same
[23:20] <shawn_selig29> ok
[23:20] <william____yo> you are mi love you
[23:20] <nbkr> neztiti, Any more mentioned packages?
[23:20] <benanzo> when I ssh to a remote computer -- am I sending my id_rsa to the remote computer for processing?  or am I getting the authorized_keys *from* the remote computer?  I wonder if it's possible to people on the remote machine to dump my id_rsa out of memory
[23:20] <Light-> use hibernate, its a bit slower but it should at least work
[23:21] <shawn_selig29> ok i checged it tohibernat einstead of sleep when lid is closed
[23:21] <shawn_selig29> thxs
[23:21] <nbkr> benanzo, You are not sending your private key. The server sends you a "challenge" encrypted with your id_rsa.pub. Your PC encrypts it and sends it back. That proves that you are the owner of the private key to the save "authorized_key"
[23:22] <benanzo> Oh ok
[23:22] <benanzo> Thanks
[23:22] <Sakkath> um
[23:22] <steven_> I'll just throw this out there, I just installed Ubuntu, and everything works but the sound. The drivers say they're there, xmms says it's playing, but there's no sound.
[23:23] <Sakkath> i have a microsoft usb wireless mouse taht has worked on every distro of linux i've tried so far.... but it doesn't work on kubuntu! lsusb shows it, and it's def not the port since it lights up (the receiver). also i can't find gpm? it says something refers to it but it has no candidates (apt-get install gpm)
[23:23] <nbkr> steven_, Did you made sure that all sound controls are up - nothing muted ... ?
[23:23] <dxdt> steven_:  check to see that the actual volume is up?  (Not in xmms, but in like the sound preferences)  sometimes it defaults to mute
[23:23] <mad_max02> can I remove evolution from my system ?? when I try to remove it with synaptics it requests to remove some other files that I dont know if they are important
[23:23] <Jack_Sparrow> shawn_selig29, If that has ati video look into slub and video problems with hibernate
[23:23] <steven_> nbkr/dxdt: Yes, I have. That's the first thing I checked.
[23:23] <nettow0822_>  is it possible to setup a file manager like gksudo nautilus in xfce?
[23:24] <Jack_Sparrow> nettow0822_, Try thunar
[23:24] <dxdt> mad_max02: yeah, it will probably scare you with something like remove ubuntu-desktop, but that is just a meta package.  You should be OK unless you should only lose functions that evolution provide to you.
[23:24] <nettow0822_> what would be the sudo command before thunar?
[23:25] <danand> steven - in a terminal type "asoundconf list" without the quotes and see what you get
[23:25] <steven_> dan: Name.. etc.. Intel
[23:27] <neztiti> nbkr: i have to do   apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:27] <Lasivian> I have a driver problem. The wireless driver I need doesn't work on the current kernel. Not sure where to go to try and fix it, or get a new one written. Any ideas? thanks
[23:27] <Sakkath> i have a microsoft usb wireless mouse taht has worked on every distro of linux i've tried so far.... but it doesn't work on kubuntu! lsusb shows it, and it's def not the port since it lights up (the receiver). also i can't find gpm? it says something refers to it but it has no candidates (apt-get install gpm)
[23:28] <danand> steven_ - ok, type alsamixer in the terminal - check through all the settings - make sure all looks ok. if you have external amplifier enabled then disable that. also check that the name of the card and chip at the top of the screen matches the soundcard you hace
[23:28] <LeeKnux> Is there a desklett available for monitoring network connections?
[23:28] <neztiti> danand: i have 2 do  apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:29] <soul> #ubuntu-br
[23:29] <danand> neztiti - ok
[23:29] <steven_> danand: Everything looks good -- but theres only four settings. Where would external amplifier be?
[23:29] <orudie> can someone provide a url for console commands and descriptions for beginners?
[23:30] <prince_jammys> orudie: linuxcommand.org
[23:30] <ConstyXIV_> what's harder on your CPU: FLAC or MP3?
[23:30] <neztiti> danand: do u use mythtv???
[23:31] <danand> steven_ - only four settings? see if you can use the arrow keys (right arrow key) to see more settings. does the card and chip that alsamixer report match your soundcard?
[23:31] <danand> neztiti - no sorry
[23:32] <steven_> danand: Haha, yeah I thought that was weird.. but it matches, and the only four are Master, PCM, Caller ID and Off-hook
[23:32] <nettow0822_> what is the graphical text editor in xfce?
[23:33] <Kumool> mousepad?
[23:33] <macrobad> kenro: Hola! I am back! It is dangerous to play with your network connection... Anyway, my guess you are experiencing problems with the driver for you wireless card.
[23:33] <danand> steven - ok, is this an on board sound card?
[23:34] <Sakkath> i have a microsoft usb wireless mouse taht has worked on every distro of linux i've tried so far.... but it doesn't work on kubuntu! lsusb shows it, and it's def not the port since it lights up (the receiver). also i can't find gpm? it says something refers to it but it has no candidates (apt-get install gpm)
[23:34] <steven_> danand: yep, laptop
[23:35] <danand> steven_ - ok, type cat /proc/asound/cards and cat /proc/asound/modules and see what you get
[23:35] <edchen> hi, im having a strange keyboard problem. on the login screen, my keyboard types fine...but after i login, i have to press *really hard* in order for my keyboard to work... (it's a standard dell keyboard, no special drivers needed)
[23:35] <Kumool> weird i tried updating open office and just erased the stuff
[23:35] <swatTX> really frustrated user here getting ready to reinstall yet again because i can't get around this initramfs prompt
[23:35] <kenro> macrobad: I need a new NID. til they give up their full spec sheets, * Broadcom.
[23:35] <steven_> HDA-Intel and snd_hda_intel
[23:36] <macrobad> kenro: Oh, I feel your pain! I have a Broadcom card too, and it is not cool at all.
[23:36] <mad_max02> dxdt, hope ur right. I removed everything that has something to do with evolution
[23:36] <fr0nk_> hey where can i see what is being startet when the system boots? i think that's a lot too much
[23:36] <danand> Sakkath - your apt-get problem sounds like you need to enable a repository - check you have the universe repository enabled
[23:36] <macrobad> kenro: What would 'lspci | grep Network' tell you?
[23:36] <Light-> swatTX: I know the pain of trying to use ATI with linux. Have you changed your video driver back to "ati" from "fglrx" in xorg.conf?
[23:37] <Sakkath> danand: thanks for response. it IS only the install cd though. taht might be why. that's just a help, but not even a lil' bit required. i'd much rather know why this mouse isn't working. the device is set to /dev/input/mice in xorg.conf, the default; i see no reason this shouldn't work as it has on many other distros
[23:37] <dxdt> mad_max02: I'm pretty sure I've removed it in the past on a different release of Ubuntu so I'm pretty sure it is OK.
[23:37] <Kumool> edchen ? a presure sensitive keyboard lol u probably have enabled slow keys try disabling it
[23:37] <dxdt> very sure.  Would be surprised if it broke something lol
[23:37] <edchen> kumool: ah...ha, thanks
[23:37] <swatTX> Light-: i can't access any prompt other than the initramfs. currently booting into the live CD though
[23:38] <kenro> macrobad:  Perhaps the worst part is, beyond the rabid, slavering proprietarianism,  is this lappy was designed for WinVista...
[23:39] <Tyczek> hi... what is the best X terminal for irssi?
[23:39] <Kumool> hmm so if i buy a new desktop and it comes with windows vista i cant install linux??
[23:39] <Light-> swatTX: may be relevant: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=642462
[23:39] <Light-> not ATI related though
[23:39] <mohamed_> hello all i try build debian package , i build it before correctly but i was try something and delete everything when i start build it again i get this error http://rafb.net/p/GvFwE581.html can anyone help me fix thix ?
[23:39] <macrobad> kenro: I am choosing a new laptop now, and guess what... I wouldn't buy one if it has proprietary drivers only. Fullstop.
[23:40] <[FT]Alex> Kumool, you can install linux on pretty much any pc
[23:40] <[FT]Alex> vista shouldn't affect it
[23:40] <Kumool> can window vista see it or is it blind yet again?
[23:40] <hischild> [FT]Alex: vista doesn't matter, but the fact that it was designed for it means that it might be hard ...
[23:40] <Kumool> the partition i mean
[23:41] <swatTX> Light-: I don't know how to get to any of my system files
[23:41] <kenro> macrobad: I wasn't aware Broadcom were being shits this goround. And my synaptics cursor pad is so deteriorated the cmds get jumbled.
[23:41] <macrobad> Kumool: Vista won't affect, but it might have some specific hardware.
[23:41] <Light-> swatTX: does the LiveCD mount your hard drives?
[23:41] <danand> Sakkath - check you have the modules psmouse usbcore and uhci_hcd in your kernel modules list. check by typing lsmod in a terminal and searching through or grep them ie lsmod | grep psmouse etc
[23:41] <[FT]Alex> that's true, hischild :) I dunno specifics about vista
[23:41] <steven_> danand: Where should I go after cat /proc/asound/modules?
[23:41] <kenro> macrobad: lspci | grep Network   06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)
[23:42] <macrobad> kenro: ATI + Broadcom = lots of troubles. Imho..
[23:42] <swatTX> Light-: not sure how to tell for sure
[23:42] <Light-> swatTX: i'd go Places>Home, then on the left theres a list of mounted drives
[23:43] <Sakkath> danand: they are all loaded.
[23:43] <macrobad> kenro: I have 06:05.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02), and I haven't renewed it for a long time already. Try installing fresh drivers.
[23:43] <danand> steven_ - what output did that give you?
[23:43] <Light-> swatTX: eg mine are called sda1, raid0 and raid5, File System and CD ROM 1
[23:44] <steven_> danand: snd_hda_intel and HDA Intel at 0x9830000.. irq 22
[23:44] <swatTX> Light-: i don't see my hd listed there. only ubuntu (default user on live cd) Desktop, File System, and Trash
[23:44] <Light-> whats in File System?
[23:44] <Light-> thats my linux drive on my PC
[23:45] <[FT]Alex> what are you trying to do, swatTX?
[23:45] <swatTX> Light-: 20 folders and 2 files. (bin boot cdrom)
[23:45] <danand> steven_ - type cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio and see if you hear any noise - press ctrl+c to stop that if you do
[23:45] <Light-> ah so its just the LiveCD's filesystem
[23:46] <Light-> do you know the name of your linux drive in /dev?
[23:46] <steven_> nope
[23:46] <macrobad> kenro: I don't remember if I had to do anything manually, but perhaps, you would have to.
[23:46] <Light-> because you can try mounting it manually
[23:46] <kenro> macrobad:  Last time I had thismuch net driver problems, there were 7 variants to the pcmcia card, 4 being usable under Linux, 2-3 requiring an ugly convoluted hack (ndis et al), and 1 being Windows-only. Guess which one I ended up with?
[23:46] <macrobad> kenro: Win?
[23:46] <swatTX> [FT]Alex: save my system without having to reinstall
[23:47] <danand> Sakkath - type sudo cat /dev/input/mice and press return. move your mouse about and see if you get anything turn up on the screen
[23:47] <swatTX> Light-: i think it was /dev/hda1 but i don't see it
[23:47] <kenro> macrobad:  First one, yes. Second was ndis.
[23:47] <macrobad> kenro: I have wlapsta.o fed to ndis-wrapper here.
[23:47] <Sakkath> danand: will do, thanks
[23:47] <macrobad> kenro: It works. Not perfectly, but in most cases.
[23:47] <bastid_raZor> what would be a decent file compression app that retarded windows would be able to uncompress?
[23:47] <Light-> swatTX: i'm not entirely linux literate, so if its not showing up there then I have no idea what to do next. Sorry
[23:47] <[FT]Alex> 7z?
[23:48] <phoenix24> Any tool/program to wrap a text file in 80-col format ?
[23:48] <kenro> macrobad:  I don't think ndis works for devbranch b43 drivers.
[23:48] <Sakkath> danand: nothing :(
[23:48] <[FT]Alex> swatTX - you should be able to mount your partitions from the livecd. go to places > computer I think
[23:49] <bastid_raZor> i'm asking about the ubuntu app :) unzip would be able to unzip a zip file
[23:49] <macrobad> kenro: How old is your laptop?
[23:49] <Devourer> How do I change an environment variable in the console? Do I use the export command?
[23:49] <[FT]Alex> swatTX - failing that you can do it from the partition manager in system > administration
[23:49] <spyware> anyone now how to limit a account for sftp? i just want the user to access my 2 samba drives mnt/fem & mnt/usb
[23:49] <swatTX> [FT]Alex: when i do that I see my CD drive and filesystem
[23:49] <kenro> macrobad: Less than a year. Why?
[23:49] <||COSTA||> hi... i've got an ACER TRAVELMATE 6291... and I'm having serious problems with the sound.... Could anyone help me?
[23:50] <[FT]Alex> swatTX - oh, well try it from system > administration > partition manager. right click on the partition and click "mount this" or whatever
[23:50] <iancp> is there a disk check utility in linux/ubuntu like those in windows?
[23:50] <steven_> danand: I didn't get any sound from that.
[23:50] <Sindacious> Would anyone in here use Compiz Fusion, and could help me figure out how to get it working, I'm getting the error "Composite Extension not available" when trying to enable visual effects
[23:50] <iancp> my power went out and my pc didn't shutdown properly
[23:50] <swatTX> [FT]Alex: partition manager shows my whole HD as unallocated
[23:50] <soldats> iancp: ubuntu checks the disk every 30 times it reboots
[23:51] <bastid_raZor> Jack_Sparrow; might you know a good compress app for ubuntu? preferably an format that windows will be able to uncompress
[23:51] <Jack_Sparrow> !p7zip
[23:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about p7zip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:51] <soldats> bastid_raZor: rar will work fine, you need rar and unrar
[23:51] <dennisonicc> Mambo
[23:51] <dennisonicc> vipi
[23:51] <bastid_raZor> okay.. thanks
[23:51] <macrobad> kenro: It might have been that drivers for your card are not written/adopted yet, but I doubt no one has managed to do it in such a long term.
[23:51] <Jack_Sparrow> !info P7zip
[23:51] <iancp> how bout when it shutdowns unexpectedly and i'm doing some work
[23:51] <danand> steven_ - have you had sound working before or is this a fresh install?
[23:51] <ubotu> p7zip (source: p7zip): 7zr file archiver with high compression ratio. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.51~dfsg.1-1 (gutsy), package size 304 kB, installed size 900 kB
[23:51] <[FT]Alex> swatTX - uh oh :S did you delete your partition table or something? not my area of expertise, I'm afraid
[23:51] <iancp> i like something that i'm executing
[23:51] <steven_> danand: It's a completely fresh install.
[23:52] <bastid_raZor> nice..the package name works even better
[23:52] <iancp> thanks soldat
[23:52] <swatTX> [FT]Alex: i didn't delete it knowingly... i was just installing ATI drivers
[23:52] <||COSTA||> could someone help to configure my laptop sound card... to ubuntu!?
[23:52] <soldats> iancp: you can check your x11 logs and may be a cause of the problem, you could check in /var/log/xorg.log.0
[23:53] <danand> Sakkath - also check you have the module ehci_hcd loaded ie lsmod | grep ehci
[23:53] <macrobad> kenro: I have BCM4318, one of the nastiest cards, and it works. I have made it work on Gentoo even... So, I suggest you trying to install drivers manually, if automated configuration doesn't work.
[23:53] <[FT]Alex> swatTX do you remember what you did before your hard drive disappeared?
[23:53] <Sakkath> danand: i do
[23:54] <Izzi> does anyone here have any expierence gparted?
[23:54] <iancp> soldat: i'm not comfortable with logs, i'm not that good with code
[23:54] <Jack_Sparrow> ||COSTA||, Sounds like you need to recompile alsa  please use version 15 not 16....  Good help in #Alsa room as well
[23:54] <iancp> is there something like friendly gui?
[23:54] <luis_> hello
[23:54] <[FT]Alex> Izzi I've used it a bit, but I'm not an expert
[23:54] <iancp> and hdparm is it a diskcheck? just wondering
[23:54] <swatTX> [FT]Alex: I was uninstalling the restricted drivers and trying to get the defaults back. during removal of the restricted drivers my system locked up and i've never been able to log back in
[23:54] <kenro> macrobad:  to be sure, there's a driver in 2.6.22 (maybe 24), but they can't legally distr the firmware. Users hafta hack that, but the Team provides a headstart with fwcutter. Problem is b43 doesn't use microcode.
[23:54] <Jack_Sparrow> !fsck
[23:54] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[23:54] <luis_> alguien habla spanish
[23:54] <danand> steven_ - if you type aplay -l does your card show up in the list?
[23:55] <||COSTA||> Jack_Sparrow: Thanks man!
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[23:55] <iancp> thnks ubotu
[23:55] <Sakkath> danand: what i don't get... appears right in lsusb. the receiver obv. gets power, is lit up. mouse/receiver definitley work
[23:55] <[FT]Alex> swatTX what happens when you try to boot from the hard drive?
[23:55]  * Pelo needs to get geekier friends do he can introduce them to Ubuntu,  the gym does isn't the right place
[23:55] <steven_> danand: It just says HDA Generic, doesn't list the Realtek.
[23:56] <phoenix24> Any tool/program to wrap a text file in 80-col format ?
[23:56] <swatTX> [FT]Alex: it boots straight to a shell initramfs prompt
[23:56] <danand> steven_ - and what is the output of asoundconf -l again?
[23:56] <Pelo> phoenix24, can't you do this in OOo ?
[23:57] <cjones> how do i change what kernal i use ?
[23:57] <bruenig> phoenix24: you could do it with bash
[23:57] <[FT]Alex> swatTX oh, so linux is still there? did you try startx?
[23:57] <danand> steven_ - sorry asoundconf list
[23:57] <Pelo> cjones, I guess you would install the new kernel image,  make a couple of edit to grub and then boot the new kernel
[23:57] <danand> Sakkath - does you mouse work using the live cd?
[23:57] <phoenix24> bruenig: please explain how
[23:57] <swatTX> [FT]Alex: I don't think that's an option. the commands are limited at the initramfs prompt
[23:57] <steven_> danand: Name of available, then Intel.
[23:57] <bruenig> phoenix24: it would be complex though, basically using read and parameter expansion
[23:57] <cjones> pelo i just want to switch from generic to low latancey
[23:58] <NinjaPlimsoles> hey all
[23:58] <bruenig> substring expansion
[23:58] <danand> steven_ - you just have an onboard intel card correct?
[23:58] <phoenix24> Pelo: I need it for batch processing!
[23:58] <Sakkath> danand: this is the livecd. i'm trying to install it
[23:58] <macrobad> kenro: If I correctly understand you, noone has managed to tame your card so far?
[23:58] <Pelo> cjones, in synaptic ,  search for kernel images see what is availabe,  check the low latency  one to install ,  grub should be updated automaticaly, restart and pick the low latency one from grub
[23:58] <steven_> danand: It's an HDA Realtek onboard card.
[23:59] <bruenig> phoenix24: so if a line had 85 characters, the first 80 would go on one line, then the next 5 on the other line and then a new line would start after that right?
[23:59] <kenro> macrobad:  Far as I know, no.
[23:59] <cjones> pelo thanks
[23:59] <Pelo> phoenix24, I might have had a different notion of what 80-col meant
[23:59] <cjones> pelo so if i know winch one i wanted i could also apt-get it ?
[23:59] <phoenix24> bruenig: yes!
[23:59] <Bigg400> hey whats the story on running 32 bit windows in a vm on a 64 bit *buntu install
[23:59] <Pelo> cjones, yep


[01:17] <cprov> wgrant: ping
[01:17] <mwhudson> firefox is annoying the crap out of me today
[01:34]  * mwhudson lunches
[01:34] <wgrant> cprov: Hi.
[02:01] <wgrant> cprov: Sorry, have to run off to a meeting for a while.
[02:11] <thumper> I'm trying to decide between an 80gig and 160gig intel SSD for my new laptop
[02:11] <thumper> $300 vs $600 USD
[02:12] <thumper> is it worth spending the extra for more space?
[02:17] <mwhudson> 80 gigs is pretty big unless you expect to have heaps of photos/video/music on there
[02:17] <spm> ... or a launchpad dev environment. ? :-P
[02:18] <mwhudson> mind you, i'm using 95% of 48 gig currently....
[02:18] <mwhudson> spm: :)
[02:18] <mwhudson> 2a really is a lot better on that front
[02:18] <spm> until bzr can make me a sandwich, it's not good enough
[02:20] <thumper> mwhudson: yeah, I have 45gig allocated on this laptop right now
[02:20] <thumper> mwhudson: if I had all 80 assigned to linux, I'll have almost twice the size
[02:20] <thumper> it is just tempting to get the biggest
[02:21] <thumper> If I just have a portable pocked HD with eSATA, perhpas that'll work for big backups and video store
[02:21] <spm> thumper: do you get tax deals around laptops similar to here in oz? if so, get the biggest most expensive; is almost as cheap in the longer run.
[02:21] <thumper> spm: no idea actually
[02:22] <thumper> Yay, my redirect view works
[02:22] <spm> ahh. worth chasing then. in our case, you can claim ~ 50% (subject to bracket) back almost immediately as a work tool; and then depreciate the rest. total cost is so close to zero as makes little diff.
[02:22] <spiv> spm: you can't do that anymore, actually
[02:23] <spm> spiv: really!?!?! depression.
[02:23] <spiv> they made it either/or at the last budget, IIRC.
[02:23] <spm> gah
[02:23] <spm> spiv: industry specific; or cross the board for all work tools?
[02:23] <spiv> laptop/computer specific, IIRC.
[02:23] <spm> eg tradies and their plumber et al specific tools?
[02:23] <spm> typical
[02:24] <mwhudson> spm: you can't do that here either, i think
[02:25] <mwhudson> you need to depreciate assets
[02:25] <mwhudson> and i don't think there are many special categories like that
[02:26] <mwhudson> (for all that au and nz are similar in many ways, the tax system in au seems way more complicated than that here, which means we get fewer funny tricks to pull, aiui)
[02:34] <thumper> mwhudson: do you know the rate of deprecation for laptops?
[02:35] <mwhudson> i think i looked it up
[02:35] <mwhudson> 33%?
[02:35] <thumper> Aargg
[02:35] <spiv> spm: FWIW: http://www.theage.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupPrintArticle.pl?path=/articles/2008/05/26/1211653939561.html "Under the old rules, employees could use salary sacrifice to get these items exempt from FBT and have also been able to claim depreciation on them - providing a double benefit. The Government has cut out depreciation deductions for any FBT-exempt work-related items."
[02:35] <thumper> enable_only for facets uses "branches"
[02:35] <thumper> canonical_url rootsite uses "code"
[02:35] <thumper> grrs
[02:36] <spm> spiv: that it is depressing. no matter how fair it is in closing an abusive loophole. :-)
[02:36] <mwhudson> consistency is the hobgoblin of the smallminded!
[02:36] <spm> heh
[02:37] <spiv> I suppose http://www.ato.gov.au/taxprofessionals/content.asp?doc=/content/00143392.htm would be slightly more authoratative :)
[02:37] <spiv> spm: :)
[02:37] <jtv> morning folks
[02:37] <spm> hey jtv! you're in early today
[02:37] <jtv> yup!
[02:39] <mwhudson> no, 30% i think
[02:41] <mwhudson> oh, 50% by diminishing value
[02:41]  * mwhudson finally found the right bit of the document
[02:43] <thumper> mwhudson: hmm.. I wonder when one can write off the last few dollars :)
[02:43] <thumper> so...
[02:43] <thumper> to 80 or 160? that is the question
[02:56] <jml> back
[04:14] <mwhudson> test failures on lp!
[04:14] <mwhudson> looks like abel
[04:20] <thumper> :(
[04:20]  * thumper is trying to find the coloured nicks in the new quassel
[04:22] <jml> heh heh
[04:28] <Ursinha> 0
[04:28] <Ursinha> errr
[04:28] <Ursinha> :/
[04:53]  * thumper on kid watch for a small while
[05:11] <jml> noodles775, hello
[05:11] <noodles775> ah, jml - I was just about to ask you if you could review a 1-line test-fix branch :)
[05:12] <jml> noodles775, sure thing
[05:12] <noodles775> (or is the reviewer schedule out of date?)
[05:12] <noodles775> Great.
[05:12] <jml> noodles775, it's only a little out of date, and I'm always happy to review 1-line patches :)
[05:13] <noodles775> jml: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/260692/
[05:16] <jml> noodles775, r=jml
[05:16] <noodles775> Thanks.
[05:17] <wgrant> thumper: How'd that ec2test go?
[05:32] <thumper> wgrant: you should have an email
[05:32] <thumper> wgrant: it failed
[05:32] <thumper> wgrant: although I'm not entirely sure it was your fault
[05:32] <thumper> wgrant: there was another failure on trunk around the same time
[05:35] <wgrant> thumper: I didn't get an email, AFAICT.
[05:35] <thumper> arse
[05:35] <thumper> neither did I
[05:35] <thumper> and I've had to reboot since then :(
[05:36] <wgrant> But it probably did fail.
[05:41]  * jml is on the trail
[05:42] <jml> back again!
[05:42] <jml> bloody free wireless connections
[05:52] <jml> anyone around who understands package upload permissions?
[05:52] <mwhudson> jml: ha ha!
[05:53]  * wgrant knows how most of that stuff works.
[05:53] <jml> let me rephrase
[05:53] <jml> anyone around who uploads packages regularly and has informed opinions about it?
[05:53] <wgrant> I *used* to upload regularly.
[05:54] <jml> hooray!
[05:55] <jml> One of the error messages you can get wrt permissions is: "Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'universe' of file 'bar_1.0-2.dsc'."
[05:55] <jml> just how useful is the "file 'bar_1.0-2.dsc'" bit of that?
[05:57] <wgrant> Not.
[05:57] <wgrant> I never saw the point.
[05:57] <wgrant> There's precisely one file in each upload which can produce that error.
[05:58] <jml> so if I just say "not permitted to upload to the component 'universe'." it would be just as useful?
[06:01] <jml> (I'm refactoring code I don't understand, so I want to change the behaviour as little as possible)
[06:02] <wgrant> jml: Yes, that would be fine. It removes no meaning.
[06:02] <jml> wgrant, thanks.
[06:18] <jml> moment of truth... all the unit tests pass, and I think they're complete. will the integration tests pass?
[06:24] <wgrant> jml: Is this your branch to extract ACL checks from their currently very, very integrated spot in the upload processor?
[06:24] <jml> wgrant, yes, it is.
[06:29] <thumper> oh no
[06:29] <thumper> update didn't fix kontact
[06:29] <wgrant> Karmic?
[06:31] <thumper> wgrant: no
[06:31] <wgrant> thumper: It broke in an update?
[06:32] <thumper> wgrant: maybe, but it started crashing yesterday
[06:32] <thumper> wgrant: and has crashed regularly today too
[06:32] <thumper> wgrant: it is normally really solid
[06:32] <wgrant> thumper: It always loved crashing with IMAP for me.
[06:32] <wgrant> But that's a bit strange.
[06:33] <thumper> :(
[06:48]  * jml writes a massive cover letter
[06:53]  * mwhudson eods
[06:53] <jml> mwhudson, have a good weekend.
[06:54] <mwhudson> jml: you too
[06:54]  * jml will try
[06:54] <jml> not that I expect to have to try too hard :)
[07:00] <jml> thumper, found an odd UI bug in code reviews
[07:00] <jml> thumper, look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jml/launchpad/package-permission-love/+merge/10830
[07:01] <thumper> jml: yes?
[07:01] <jml> thumper, it's got the commit message twice.
[07:01] <thumper> haha
[07:01] <thumper> I'm sure I raised that before
[07:01] <jml> ok cool
[07:01] <jml> as long as its known
[07:02] <thumper> jml: we're going to be messing around with the page anyway :)
[07:02] <jml> thumper, I figured as much :)
[07:02] <thumper> jml: so things will be changing shortly
[07:08] <jml> thumper, want to review a branch?
[07:09] <thumper> jml: after 6pm on a Friday?
[07:09] <thumper> jml: is it big?
[07:09] <jml> thumper, it's probably too big for after 6 on a Friday :)
[07:27] <jml> I'm moving a class from one module to another
[07:27] <jml> is there a way to update all the imports of it semi-automatically?
[07:41] <mwhudson> jml: sed!
[07:41] <jml> mwhudson, it's really quite tricky.
[07:42]  * jml files a couple more BE bugs :P
[07:47] <spm> jml: perl!
[07:47] <spm> and on that note EOW. :-)
[07:47] <jml> spm, g'night
[07:50] <thumper> gah
[07:50] <thumper> how do I add a bug task to an external bug tracker?
[07:53] <thumper> found it
[07:58] <Ursinha> *ahem*
[07:58] <Ursinha> I have one failing test here, and not able to find out why... translations/doc/request_country.txt fails complaining about the lack of geoip db, and asks me to install launchpad-dependencies, which is installed
[08:01] <wgrant> Ursinha: Is geoip-data-city-lite installed?
[08:01] <Ursinha> wgrant, don't know, lemme check
[08:01] <Ursinha> hmm, no!
[08:01] <wgrant> Huh.
[08:01] <wgrant> It should be depended upon.
[08:01] <wgrant> Ahh.
[08:01] <wgrant> Maybe only by launchpad-developer-dependencies
[08:01] <wgrant> Are you missing that one too?
[08:02] <Ursinha> nope, both are properly installed
[08:02] <Ursinha> lp-dev-dependencies and lp-dependencies
[08:02] <Ursinha> "properly"
[08:03] <wgrant> Ursinha: You must have geoip-data installed, then?
[08:03] <wgrant> That or -city-lite must be installed for launchpad-dependencies to be happy.
[08:03] <Ursinha> wgrant, geoip-data is installed, yes
[08:04] <Ursinha> I see lp-dependencies wants one or another, so it should be fine...
[08:04] <wgrant> You would think.
[08:04] <Ursinha> hehe
[08:04] <Ursinha> let's see
[08:04] <wgrant> I presume geoip-data is some proprietary thing.
[08:05] <Ursinha> the $*#@*&^ seems to be working now
[08:05] <Ursinha> running more complete tests to be sure
[08:07]  * jml smiles
[08:08] <Ursinha> so I'll write an email asking people why oh why it depends on -lite even the package saying one or another should be fine...
[08:08] <Ursinha> ...if tests pass now
[08:09] <Ursinha> oh well, it passed the failing test
[08:09]  * Ursinha bangs head on the table
[08:09] <Ursinha> jtv, it seems the problem was that ^^^ then...
[08:10] <Ursinha> wgrant, how come you know that?
[08:10] <wgrant> Ursinha: What do I know?
[08:11] <Ursinha> that the problem was that exact package, did you have this problem before?
[08:11] <wgrant> No.
[08:11] <wgrant> But it was obvious enough.
[08:11] <jtv> wgrant: we're becoming frighteningly dependent on you.  :)
[08:12] <Ursinha> so it comes that lite package is needed, not optional?
[08:14] <wgrant> Ursinha: Or your geoip-data is broken.
[08:14] <Ursinha> wonder how..
[08:23] <adeuring> good morning
[08:23] <adeuring> good morning
[08:23] <noodles775> Moin moin :)
[09:03] <Ursinha> wgrant, btw, thanks muchly for the tip :)
[09:03] <wgrant> Ursinha: np
[09:04] <wgrant> Is mailman on forster really slow, or are my posts to launchpad-users being moderated very quickly?
[09:05] <wgrant> Hm, no, it seems to hate everybody equally.
[09:05] <wgrant> 5 or 6 minutes delay incoming, 13 or 14 outgoing.
[09:06] <jml> g'night all
[09:06] <wgrant> Night jml.
[09:06] <noodles775> Enjoy :)
[09:08] <Ursinha> good night jml
[09:09] <Ursinha> good morning bigjools :P
[09:11] <bigjools> morning duderinos
[09:12] <bigjools> up early Ursinha?
[09:12] <Ursinha> yes, yes
[09:29] <mrevell> hi!
[10:01] <mrevell> jtv: around for a ten minute discussion?
[10:01] <jtv> mrevell: sure
[10:36] <jmux> Hi - where can I find some information about lauchpads dbuser mapping? I want to delete an object from sectionselection, but get and "permission denied" error. I know of database/schema/security.cfg, but couldn't find any information, when which users are used.
[10:59] <deryck> Morning.
[14:47] <gary_poster> deryck, irt bug 399856 I see that you lowered bug 399853 to a low importance.  May I lower 399856 also? Is it still important enough for a milestone?
[14:47] <mup> Bug #399856: Get LaunchpadObjectFactory working in Windmill <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged by flacoste> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/399856>
[14:47] <mup> Bug #399853: Update Windmill test after plus sign in user name branch <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged by deryck> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/399853>
[14:48] <beuno> noodles775_, hi!  did the new breadcrumbs get rolled out?
[14:50] <noodles775_> beuno: no...
[14:50] <deryck> gary_poster, it's not something I'll get back to this cycle, I'm sure.  So it's fine by me to lower 399856.
[14:51] <gary_poster> deryck: cool thanks
[14:51] <noodles775_> beuno: but I'm just landing another branch that fixes some display issues in konqueror (as well as getting rid of the extra space left at the top of the page), so it was a good thing.
[14:51] <noodles775_> beuno: btw, if you have any other 10min branches you want me to do, bigjools says, go jump of a bridge ;)
[14:52] <beuno> noodles775_, LOL
[14:53] <beuno> well, time works differently in Argentina
[14:53] <bigjools> it was long walk off a short bridge
[14:53] <gary_poster> intellectronica: irt bug 401724, who is qualified to fix this--who can I ask?  This looks like something mars would have fixed.
[14:53] <mup> Bug #401724: Collapsibles not expanding in IE8 <ui> <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/401724>
[14:54] <gary_poster> noodles, is bug 411738 still in progress?
[14:55] <gary_poster> sorry, noodles775_
[14:55] <bigjools> the seven hundred and seventy fifth noodles
[14:56] <noodles775_> gary_poster: no, we couldn't reproduce it on dogfood, and I didn't get back to check the logs (nor could another archive admin reproduce it).
[14:57] <gary_poster> noodles775_: hm...should I mark as incomplete?  or just push it off to another milestone?
[14:57] <noodles775_> gary_poster: sorry, wrong bug... one tic
[14:57] <wgrant> Um, are we looking at the same bug?
[14:57] <wgrant> Aha.
[14:57] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:58] <noodles775_> gary_poster: updated. I'll add a comment with the revno
[14:58] <gary_poster> noodles775_: thank you very much
[15:01] <gary_poster> beuno, do you happen to know the answer to what I asked intellectronica above?
[15:02] <gary_poster> eh, I should have been more user-friendly, sorry.  That was, "irt bug 401724, who is qualified to fix this--who can I ask?  This looks like something mars would have fixed." :-)
[15:02] <mup> Bug #401724: Collapsibles not expanding in IE8 <ui> <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/401724>
[15:04] <beuno> .me reads
[15:04] <gary_poster> thx
[15:04] <beuno> gary_poster, no idea, tbh
[15:05] <gary_poster> beuno: ok, np, thanks for looking
[15:52] <gary_poster> flacoste: irt bug 401724, who is qualified to fix this--whom can I ask?  This looks like something mars would have fixed.
[15:52] <mup> Bug #401724: Collapsibles not expanding in IE8 <ui> <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/401724>
[15:53] <gary_poster> flacoste: also, so you know, you had assigned yourself bug 399856.  Should I unassign you?
[15:53] <mup> Bug #399856: Get LaunchpadObjectFactory working in Windmill <Launchpad Foundations:Triaged by flacoste> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/399856>
[15:53] <flacoste> gary_poster: yes, i didn't start on that
[15:53] <gary_poster> not "so you know" :-) --the so you know was to tell you that I moved the target.  OK cool
[15:54] <flacoste> regarding IE8 anybody with JS experience on the team
[15:54] <flacoste> so it shouldn't have to be Foundations itself
[15:55] <gary_poster> ok cool, thanks
[17:47] <dobey> james_w: hey. had to get lunch but i've almost got a branch ready to push up to lp. will keep you posted! :)
[17:47] <james_w> excellent
[18:11] <mrevell> bye!
[20:05] <dobey> hrmm
[20:05] <dobey> james_w: i just pushed trunk of poauth, but for some reason the branch is private and i don't see how to change that
[20:16] <james_w> dobey: which team did you make the owner?
[20:18] <dobey> james_w: ubuntuone-control-tower
[20:18] <dobey> which shouldn't cause that
[20:19] <james_w> "Part of Ubuntu One"
[20:19] <james_w> that might have done it
[20:19] <dobey> yeah i think that was it
[20:19] <james_w> any admins around to fix this up?
[20:20] <dobey> so i just turned that off, deleted the private branch, and re-pushed
[20:20] <dobey> can tweak that later
[20:26] <james_w> I'm not sure I like more of the logic being pushed down in to the store implementations
[20:26] <dobey> james_w: so i think ubuntuone-storage-protocol, ubuntuone-client, and python-launchpadlib can switch to using poauth with just simple import changes
[20:26] <dobey> hrmm?
[20:26] <dobey> there isn't more logic in the storage implementation
[20:26] <james_w> e.g. def authorize_request_token(self, parameters):
[20:26] <james_w> it has to pick apart parameters and act accordingly
[20:27] <james_w> the previous storage implementations had a simpler interface
[20:27] <dobey> james_w: parameters is a dict(), so that we don't have to break API in the event the protocol changes again
[20:27] <james_w> what was the reason for that change?
[20:27] <bac> james_w: i can set branch visibility
[20:27] <bac> james_w: what exactly do you need?
[20:27] <james_w> bac: thanks, dobey fixed it
[20:27] <james_w> a new project unexpectedly inherited private-by-default
[20:28] <bac> james_w: is that the setting on the project group?
[20:28] <james_w> yeah
[20:28] <dobey> yeah i just unset project group for now
[20:28] <bac> james_w: yeah, that is the intended behavior, even if it does surprise sometimes
[20:28] <bac> dobey: i can set it right, if you want
[20:30] <dobey> bac: ok, i just added poauth back to the ubuntuone project group. can you make the poauth branch public by default? thanks :)
[20:31] <bac> dobey, ok poauth code branches are public
[20:32] <dobey> bac: thanks much
[20:32] <bac> np.
[20:37] <james_w> dobey: my concern is that you have created an interface that is easy to implement wrongly
[20:41] <dobey> james_w: i don't consider it entirely complete yet. i wanted to get something up so that we could perhaps start switching the clients over. i want to make it so that one has to do as little implementation as possible
[20:42] <james_w> ok
[20:43] <james_w> it seems like you started down the opposite direction though
[20:45] <dobey> i don't think so... but we'll work that out
[20:46] <james_w> have you seen the python-openid store API?
[20:46] <james_w> I think that would be good for something to work towards
[20:47] <james_w> it is certainly well documented as to what the requirements of the store are, and leaves you just to write a shim that stores the info in whatever you are using
[20:52] <dobey> i haven't, but i'll look at that
[21:02] <dobey> james_w: the rest looks reasonable then?
[21:02] <james_w> the client side looks ok at a glance
[21:04] <dobey> should i make a release and get a package branch together then?
[21:39] <dobey> james_w: well, i am about to head off toward the weekend. let me know what else i need to do, so we can get this in use and working well. :)