[12:11] <bazaar> hi. i've got a question concerning docbook/fop. the fop font-handling (for latin-2 chars for example) seems very complicated to me. is there any ubuntu-related article on that?


[00:00] <ScottK> benedikt: Then the first thing I'd suggest is to drop mailscanner.  Ubuntu generally supports Postfix plus amavisd-new with clamav and spamassassin.
[00:01] <ScottK> That and a good RBL set should do pretty well.
[00:01] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, yeah he's knew with ubuntu, so i'll have to write a script than he can launch from gnome-panel that will do all the work for him :)
[00:01] <benedikt> ScottK: why would you drop Mailscanner.. I think its excellent (and MailWatch keep the other (windows)-guy off complaining)
[00:03] <ScottK> benedikt: Because it's design modifies Postfix queue files directly.  This an internal Postfix interface and using it is a very poor software design practice and in the past has been known to cause mail to get lost.
[00:03] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, first of all have to figure out why my networking isn't working
[00:03] <billybigrigger> outside of the lan
[00:04] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Can you ping your router (default gateway?)  Is there a default route pointing to it?
[00:04] <benedikt> ScottK: i didnt know what, but that makes a good point.
[00:04] <billybigrigger> yes
[00:04] <billybigrigger> i can ping the router
[00:04] <billybigrigger> and i get an ip address as i specified in my interfaces <IP_ADDRESS>
 here is a copy of my interfaces http://pastebin.ca/1681550
[00:05] <ScottK> benedikt: You can look in the archives of postfix-users for lots of examples.
[00:05] <ScottK> Also the setup I suggest is well documented in the Ubuntu Server Guide.
[00:05] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Does netstat -rn | grep ^0    # show you a sane-looking default route to your router?
[00:06] <billybigrigger> <IP_ADDRESS>         <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         UG        0 0          0 eth0
[00:06] <billybigrigger> not all that familiar with netstat just yet :P
[00:06] <jmarsden> Looks fine.  But if you ping <IP_ADDRESS> it fails?
[00:06] <billybigrigger> 1.1 is the router
[00:06] <benedikt> ScottK: this system has been running for 6 months (scannign 3 thousand ham mails per day) and so far everything has gone fine, and on two 4-5 year old desktop computers also. And i already found it in the server guide.
[00:06] <billybigrigger> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=235 ms
[00:06] <ScottK> benedikt: With mailscanner?
[00:06] <billybigrigger> 0% packet loss
[00:06] <benedikt> ScottK: yep
[00:06] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: So it is working fine.
[00:06] <billybigrigger> looks good jmarsden
[00:07] <jmarsden> So... what is NOt working?
[00:07] <ScottK> benedikt: Please give me the link in the server guide?
[00:07] <billybigrigger> ping billybigrigger@sally:~$ ping google.com
[00:07] <billybigrigger> ping: unknown host google.com
[00:07] <benedikt> ScottK: i just checked the wikipedia article for Mailscanner, it sort of looks like an advertisement
[00:07] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Ah, that is not a network issue, that is a DNS issue!
[00:07] <benedikt> ScottK: Oh, i think you misunderstood me. Mailscanner is nowhere to be foudn in the serverguide.
[00:07] <ScottK> benedikt: It's probably written by mailscanner pepole.
[00:07] <ScottK> benedikt: OK.  Good.
[00:07] <billybigrigger> this computer is fine :)
[00:07] <benedikt> ScottK: not in the wiki either
[00:08] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, i'm running that server via vbox
[00:08] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: What does /etc/resolv.conf have in it?
[00:08] <billybigrigger> nothing
[00:08] <ScottK> It's the kind of thing that's mostly OK, but since it's an internal interface, if it changes, then Mailscanner breaks without warning.
[00:08] <billybigrigger> i thought resolv.conf was handled by NM?
[00:08] <jmarsden> So why would expect name resolution to be working?
[00:08] <benedikt> ScottK: do you know of a web interface for monitoring what happens with the setup in the Server guide? I have a windows sysadmin boss to satisfy if i propose a change
[00:09] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Either run a local DNS server on the Ubuntu server, or point it at one elsewhere.
[00:09] <ScottK> benedikt: ebox is the usual recommendation here, but I don't know how well their mail module works (since I don't use any of this stuff).
[00:09] <jmarsden> DNS is not magic, someone has to provide your server with DNS :)
[00:09] <ScottK> benedikt: Even if the boss is on Windows, he can still use ssh.
[00:09] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, no i copied my resolv.conf from my working machine
[00:10] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, thanks, i don't know how that file became empty, as it was working a few days ago
[00:10] <billybigrigger> all is good :)
[00:10] <benedikt> ScottK: windows people usually dont like reading logs. i have been housetraining him on stuff like that however..
[00:10] <ScottK> Heh.  OK.
[00:10] <benedikt> billybigrigger: what happens if you run "nslookup ubuntu.com <IP_ADDRESS>"
[00:12] <billybigrigger> benedikt, what am i looking for
[00:12] <benedikt> ScottK: just read (quickly) over the setup in the server guide -- seems like a great solution (captian obvious)
[00:12] <benedikt> billybigrigger: if it returns the ip address for ubuntu.com
[00:12] <billybigrigger> it outputs some info :)
[00:12] <ScottK> benedikt: Great.
[00:13] <billybigrigger> Name:	ubuntu.com
[00:13] <billybigrigger> Address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:13] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: So it worked.  You should be all set :)
[00:13] <benedikt> billybigrigger: does it say <IP_ADDRESS>? then you just need a dns server, no routing issues.
[00:13] <billybigrigger> ya no, i got it working, i copied my dns entries from resolv.conf from my working machine, to the non-working machine
[00:13] <benedikt> ah, great.
[00:13] <billybigrigger> yeah thats what i said, all was good, thanks :)
[00:14] <benedikt> also, i use my own dns server for resolving. i dont like that my isp could dns poision something.
[00:14] <jmarsden> benedikt: Your ISP could transparently edit the DNS packets they return to you and poison them that way, too :)
[00:15] <jmarsden> If you can't trust your ISP you'd better use DNSSEC :)
[00:15] <benedikt> jmarsden: i have no reason yet not to trust them though..
[00:15] <benedikt> jmarsden: but they did dns poision a icelandic 4chan alike website when some people started complaining
[00:17] <jmarsden> Well, "i dont like that my isp could dns poision something" does not sound all that trusting :)  I'm just poiting out that if your ISP is evil, running your own DNS server will not prevent them from doing evil things to your DNS traffic -- just makes it a bit more work for them to do so.
[00:17] <benedikt> My reasing is that if they did something evil, they wouldn't go that extra mile to get to the users running own dns servers and such.
[00:18] <benedikt> ..also their dns servers tend to be a bit slow.
[00:22] <benedikt> Why is the server guide suggesting using spf checking? Afaik not many people use it, not even gmail seems to have a spf record.
[00:24] <ScottK> benedikt: I didn't add it, although I think it's a good idea.
[00:24] <ScottK> They do actually have one.
[00:25] <ScottK> gmail.com.              300     IN      TXT     "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.google.com"
[00:25] <benedikt> i see it now.. was looking for a spf record, not a txt record. my bad.
[00:26] <ScottK> There is a type SPF, but virtually no one uses it.
[00:28] <benedikt> and the txt for _spf.google.com is massive
[00:30] <ScottK> Yeah.  Apparently Google has a few servers.
[00:32] <benedikt> but it doesnt list ipv6.. strikes me as quite odd.
[00:47] <billybigrigger> nothing about a proxy server on the server guide eh...
[00:47] <billybigrigger> anyone have a link to a good guide?
[00:55] <marks256> [non software question] how would one go about making a custom 1u server? I'm confused on CPU cooling. A normal cooler won't work, so how would one get around that?
[01:00] <KurtKraut> marks256, there are specific small-sized coolers for 1U servers.
[01:01] <marks256> KurtKraut, Oh ok. Thanks :)
[01:01] <jmarsden> marks256: See http://www.frostytech.com/top5_lowprofile_heatsinks.cfm for some examples
[01:02] <marks256> jmarsden, those only go down to 1.5u by the looks of it
[01:02] <KurtKraut> marks256, building a 1U server in a DIY way is quite hard and even impossible depending on what country you are.
[01:03] <marks256> KurtKraut, i'm in the US
[01:03] <KurtKraut> marks256, oh, so you can even DIY an atomic bomb, don't mind.
[01:03] <jmarsden> marks: OK, try something like http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8880006&SourceID=k232270  -- more generally, use Google :)
[01:03] <marks256> KurtKraut, :p
[01:04] <marks256> jmarsden, sweet thanks. i'll look for some low profile coolers then :)
[01:39] <lamont> ScottK: I just noticed yet more SPF blocked mail that shouldn't have been...
[01:39] <ScottK> lamont: What's the scenario?
[01:39] <lamont> mind you, that's because there's an email addr I manage that is an alias for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so anytime they get email from @msn.com, they don't.
[01:41] <ScottK> The SPF record for msn.com does not describe itself as a complete list of authorized sources for msn.com mail, so SMTP time rejection based only on SPF would be "Not the best way to do it".
[01:41] <lamont> but then, that's the specific use-case that the SPF author decided no one should use.
[01:42] <lamont> yeah - I think it's more msn muppetry than just spf could explain
[01:45] <ScottK> My view is that anyone still using Hotmail, MSN, etc. have decided they don't really care about receiving mail.
[01:45] <lamont> heh
[01:47] <ScottK> Also some other data I have access to does tell me that msn.com mail that doesn't pass SPF is almost certainly not something you want in your inbox.  Not the the stuff that passes is so great.
[01:49] <lamont> well, this was mail from @msn.com -><EMAIL_ADDRESS>(virt map to) -> msn.com, rejected by msn.com
[01:52] <JanC> IME all the big "free" email providers lose mail from time to time and sometimes have large internal delays  ;)
[01:53] <ScottK> JanC: Hotmail and company are 'special' in this regard.
[01:53] <JanC> I have more issues with gmail currently (because more people use it maybe)
[01:55] <JanC> I don't even answer to complaints from people not receiving their forum membership confirmation mail anymore, unless they didn't post to the forum within 3 days  ;)
[01:56] <JanC> but I also have complaints from people using gmail (and only gmail) who don't receive some mails from ubuntu lists
[01:59] <ScottK> lamont: Any idea why senderbase would think eth0.yttrium.canonical.com sends mail? http://www.senderbase.org/senderbase_queries/detaildomain?search_string=canonical.com
[02:00] <ScottK> I'm sort of guessing it either doesn't or isn't supposed to.
[02:00] <ScottK> JanC: Where do the confirmation mails come from?
[02:10] <JanC> ScottK: the forum confirmation mails come from my VPS (that also runs the forum)
[02:11] <JanC> also, it's perfectly acceptable for mail to not be instant messaging, it's just that people don't understand that  ;-)
[02:14] <JanC> at least they do the delays internally; microsoft loves (or loved?) to "throttle" at their incoming servers, which isn't always funny for providers...
[02:21] <ScottK> Yahoo.com.
[02:21] <ScottK> ... also is aggressive about throttling new IPs
[02:35] <lamont> ScottK: that's the millbank offiuce
[02:58] <Liberty> I'm looking for help on my new server Web server works and I can call directory through ssh.. but I cant  log in remotly from my ubuntu destop machine
[03:04] <Wallace> what app should I use to retrieve email from my isp (for e.g. via pop3) and dump it into the local system?
[03:05] <Sam-I-Am> fetchmail
[03:05] <Liberty> I have just installed karmic server. I can get sftp through ssh I can get on with firefox but I can't get remote terminal to work
[03:05] <Wallace> thx :)
[03:06] <Sam-I-Am> remote terminal.. ssh <hostname> ?
[03:07] <Liberty> sam I am through terminal? my ubuntu system doesn't know server name I use IP address
[03:08] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, thats how ssh works... through the terminal
[03:08] <Liberty> i didn't know I just logged on .. :) so simple  .. thanks !!!
[03:08] <Sam-I-Am> yeah...
[03:09] <Liberty> This is kewl 1st shot and I got it all ..
[08:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #486580 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package mysql-client-5.1 5.1.37-1ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486580
[09:55] <aftertaf> hello : i need help diagnosing a potential dns resolution issue. slowness with Bind on local network for local and net resolution
[09:58] <jmarsden> aftertaf: It's 2am here and my brain is slowing down, but... OK, what did you try already to diagnose the issue?
[09:59] <aftertaf> :))
[09:59] <aftertaf> well, sometimes it goes real slow to resolve internet adresses . . .
[10:00] <aftertaf> i'm on karmic on my PC and have a lenny server setup as my dhcp/dns server, with forwarding etc.
[10:00] <aftertaf> it's all setup 'correctly' in as DNS resolution works both for my local zone and internet.... but sometimes it takes time to respond, even locally...
[10:00] <jmarsden> So if the issue is that a Debian Lenny DNS server is slow... why are you asking about that in #ubuntu-server?  Or am I misunderstanding what you are asking?
[10:01] <aftertaf> example : ssh to my server (though i ran -v and saw the connection happens immediately, its the rsa negociation that is taking time on this example . . ;:()
[10:01] <aftertaf> seeing as i have debian server and ubuntu box, i asked in both . . .
[10:02] <jmarsden> Is there a Ubuntu server involved somewhere?  If not, #ubuntu-server is probably not the right channel to use :)
[10:03] <aftertaf> :)
[10:03] <aftertaf> true
[10:04] <jmarsden> if you think the issue is on the client (Ubuntu) desktop machine, ask in #ubuntu.  If you think the issue is with the DNS server on Debian Lenny, ask in #debian or maybe #bind
[10:04] <aftertaf> it there a huge difference in both distribs, concerning my usage ?
[10:05] <jmarsden> Probably not, actually, in this case, but it's confusing to use the "wrong" channel.  I'll continue in #debian...
[10:05] <aftertaf> :)
[10:05] <aftertaf> you can get yourself to bed too . . ;)
[10:06] <jmarsden> Yes, that's not a bad idea as well :)
[11:16] <alex88> morning all..
[11:16] <alex88> i have a xen vpn with 9.04, someone knows if there is a special way to upgrade to karmik?
[11:16] <alex88> cause using standard mode it crashes the system
[12:06] <MatBoy> mhh, I'm wondering if I shall use powerDNS or just bind for my DNS management
[12:43] <tmus> Hey guys, I'm trying to build a minimal server (for a router/server setup) using karmic debootstrap. Everything works fine, but I can't get my danish keyboard to work (not really a showstopper, but it's starting to annoy me :-)). It just doesn't work (tty). Performing a standard install, the keyboard works fine, so I'm sure i'm just missing a small but important detail. Anyone?
[13:48] <Dawgmatix_> I want looking to test some distributed code I have written by running multiple virtual machines on my workstation. any ideas how I can easily get ~8 instances of ubuntu running on my workstation ?
[14:15] <ahe> Dawgmatix_: how many do you get running?
[14:15] <ahe> i only tried with two machines in virtualbox so far but i think at min. 4 shouldn't be a problem on a dual core machine
[14:16] <ahe> but it mostly depends on how big your virtual machines are and how powerful your physical machine is
[14:18] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #485973 in php5 (main) "php5-cgi: IMAP toolkit crash" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485973
[14:23] <Liberty> I am tryinting to get my new Karmic Server cups to work
[14:23] <Liberty> I don't know how to get the machine to see the printer
[14:27] <Liberty> 210 people and no one has anything to say ;) sure is a quiet bunch
[14:35] <tmus> Hey guys, I'm trying to build a minimal karmic server (for a router/server setup) using debootstrap. Everything works fine, but I can't get my danish keyboard to work in a tty (not really a showstopper, but it's starting to annoy me :-)). Anyone?
[14:58] <Wallace> anybody know of an alternative to fetchmail for retrieving mail via pop3 and injecting it into the local mail system?
[15:08] <jbernard> Wallace: perhaps getmail4?
[15:09] <jbernard> Wallace: I've not used it, but it's described as 'a fetchamil replacement'
[15:09] <Wallace> thx, I'll have a look
[15:18] <BrixSat> hello
[15:19] <BrixSat> Nov 22 15:06:39 zeus proftpd[3247] zeus: Check the ServerType directive to ensure you are configured correctly.
[15:19] <BrixSat> Nov 22 15:06:44 zeus proftpd[3249] zeus: Failed binding to ::, port 21: Address already in use
[15:19] <BrixSat> :S what is the problem for me dont have ftp?
[15:19] <Liberty> I can't get my Karmic gnomes machine to print out on my karmic server printer
[15:20] <BrixSat> stupid ftp
[15:20] <Liberty> TI can adnminster thopugh from the web browser
[15:23] <Liberty> can anyone help?
[15:26] <BrixSat> try the karmic support channeç
[15:28] <jbernard> BrixSat: it would appear that another process has already bound to port 21, quite likely another ftp daemon, do you have two ftpd's installed?
[15:28] <BrixSat> or what ever
[15:28] <BrixSat> jbernard no only one
[15:28] <BrixSat> proftpd is the only one
[15:29] <BrixSat> jbernard how can i know if i have only one?
[15:29] <jbernard> BrixSat: perhaps proftpd is already running then?
[15:29] <jbernard> BrixSat: netstat will tell you what processes are bound to which port
[15:29] <BrixSat> only proftpd
[15:30] <BrixSat> i will stop it
[15:30] <jbernard> BrixSat: it's currently running, listening on port 21?
[15:31] <BrixSat> netstat
[15:31] <BrixSat> http://pastebin.com/f23424e50
[15:32] <BrixSat> with out stopping the server!
[15:32] <BrixSat> and he does apears listed
[15:33] <jbernard> BrixSat: try 'netstat -tap'
[15:33] <jbernard> BrixSat: you could grep that for 'LISTEN'
[15:33] <jbernard> those are the lines your interested in
[15:33] <BrixSat> http://pastebin.com/f490dcfc2
[15:34] <jbernard> so it appears that your ftpd is run through inetd
[15:35] <jbernard> as opposed to standalone
[15:35] <BrixSat> yes is it ok or not?
[15:35] <jbernard> the config for that should be in /etc/inetd or some such thing
[15:35] <jbernard> i think it's fine
[15:35] <BrixSat> what would  you recomend?
[15:35] <BrixSat> going to that folder and view config
[15:36] <BrixSat> on the /etc/inetd.conf i have ftp     stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd
[15:38] <jbernard> ahh, there you go
[15:38] <jbernard> i think running through inetd is fine
[15:38] <BrixSat> but no ftp
[15:38] <BrixSat> Nov 22 15:34:52 zeus proftpd[7667] zeus: Failed binding to <IP_ADDRESS>, port 21: Address already in use
[15:38] <BrixSat> Nov 22 15:34:52 zeus proftpd[7667] zeus: Check the ServerType directive to ensure you are configured correctly.
[15:38] <jbernard> im not an expert on that though, i do know that opinions vary
[15:39] <jbernard> are you also starting proftpd standalone?
[15:39] <jbernard> like /etc/init.d/proftpd start, or something similar?
[15:39] <BrixSat> yes i used that
[15:39] <BrixSat> cant i do that way?
[15:40] <jbernard> the ftp daemon is already listening on port 21 because it's running from inetd, so subsequent attempts to run it standlone will always fail with that error
[15:41] <BrixSat> :o new one to me :D
[15:41] <BrixSat> i reebooted the machine
[15:41] <BrixSat> and same thing
[15:41] <BrixSat> i see on the login screen "Starting ftp server proftpd OK"
[15:41] <BrixSat> and no ftp
[15:43] <BrixSat> same thing failed to bind.....
[15:44] <jbernard> i suspect it's already listening on port 21 and your startup scrips are, for some reason, attempting to run proftpd more than once
[15:45] <BrixSat> i have removed the line from inedconf
[15:45] <jbernard> and restarted inetd?
[15:45] <BrixSat> rebooted pc
[15:45] <BrixSat> and i still se on the screen the ftp started ok
[15:46] <jbernard> and it's listening on port 21 now?
[15:46] <BrixSat> and now it is working :D
[15:46] <jbernard> ahh, fantastic
[15:46] <BrixSat> you solved my problem :D it was inet :D
[15:47] <jbernard> now don't touch anything ;)
[15:47] <BrixSat> very very very thanks :D
[15:47] <jbernard> you're welcome
[15:47] <BrixSat> ;)
[16:25] <Dream-Ubu> erm, installing server 9.10 and it keeps askking for a cd drive and, i dont have one all the files where copied directly to a harddrive yet its still askinng for drivers any ideas?
[16:34] <Dawgmatix_> ahe - sorry i was away
[16:34] <Dawgmatix_> yes i am trying virtualbox. but i was wondering if there are some other solutions which would start multiple virtual machines automatically at boottime
[16:35] <Dawgmatix_> i have a machine with 8 cores and 8 gigs of ram, so i am thinking of running 6 vms
[16:36] <ahe> Dawgmatix_: you could try out eucalyptus and UEC (which emulate Amazons EC2) but then you need to use special EC2 images
[16:36] <ahe> although there is a base image on which you can build
[16:36] <Dawgmatix_> ahe, i was looking at that too, but was a bit overwhelmed by the documentation :)
[16:36] <Dawgmatix_> for eg the default example suggests using a host machine , and then other machines which actually run vms
[16:37] <ahe> didn't try it myself yet, but my 4 core to be node cluster machine comes tomorrow :)
[16:37] <Dawgmatix_> I dont know if having the same machine as the main eucalyptus controller as well as running eucalyptus machines works
[16:37] <ahe> you need at least two machines
[16:37] <Dawgmatix_> :(
[16:38] <ahe> someone got it running but it's a bad hack and therefore he didn't document it
[16:38] <Dawgmatix_> oic
[16:38] <ahe> the upside is the frontend machine can be a very cheap one
[16:38] <Dawgmatix_> okay, in that case I have a very old laptop
[16:38] <Dawgmatix_> I can use that one - its an athlon 1.6 Ghz with a gig of ram
[16:39] <ahe> that should work
[16:39] <Dawgmatix_> btw one host machine can run multiple virtual machines right ?
[16:39] <ahe> hardware requirements/suggestions are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall
[16:39] <ahe> according to the documentation one per core
[16:39] <ahe> so you should get your 8 machines running
[16:39] <Dawgmatix_> cool thats nice :)
[16:39] <TeTeT> Dawgmatix_ + ahe : be aware that in UEC the instances on the node do not have any state, so in case of a powerdown they come back vanilla
[16:40] <Dawgmatix_> oh noes
[16:40] <ahe> oh yeah, right
[16:40] <TeTeT> it's compatible with amazon EC2 and that does not retain state either
[16:40] <TeTeT> so if you just want a couple of virtual machines running services, go with kvm
[16:40] <ahe> Dawgmatix_: you could also go with plain kvm
[16:40] <Dawgmatix_> any other recommendations - i am just starting and just need a testbed on whcih to write distributed networking code
[16:41] <TeTeT> Dawgmatix_: kvm with bridged networking might be best suited then
[16:41] <Dawgmatix_> does kvm running freebsd run slower than kvm running linux in linux ?
[16:41] <ahe> it should be possible to use a start script to start all vms on boot up
[16:42] <Dawgmatix_> because the only time i tried kvm was when i tried a freebsd guest on an ubuntu karmic host. and it was really slow
[16:42] <Dawgmatix_> (as compared to virtualbox on this same machine)
[16:42] <TeTeT> Dawgmatix_: was hardware support enabled for virtualization on the box? By default it is off in the BIOS
[16:42] <TeTeT> Dawgmatix_: it sounds to me that you were running kvm in qemu mode
[16:43] <Dawgmatix_> yes i was
[16:43] <Dawgmatix_> also yes virtualization is enabled
[16:44] <ahe> by the way virtualbox has a command-line interface
[16:44] <ahe> it should be possible to automatically start your VMs with that on boot up too
[16:45] <Dawgmatix_> oic :)
[16:45] <Dawgmatix_> looks like theres much more to learn :)
[16:45] <Dawgmatix_> will read the kvm docs
[17:31] <kenpark> I updated to karmic, now I don't get a shell via ssh (login works) I have direct access to the machine: I need to press ctrl+c after local login to get a shell. How to fix this?
[17:32] <zoopster> kenpark: find what's keeping your login from completing and fix it?
[17:33] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: might be the update checker hanging
[17:34] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: script that runs at login to tell you if there are package updates
[17:35] <kenpark> How do I disable that script? I can't seem to find it in .bashrc?
[17:36] <kenpark> zoopster - thanks :-) I am having a hard time with this.
[17:37] <Sam-I-Am> iirc it generates an motd on the fly...
[17:37] <Sam-I-Am> does your machine have net access?
[17:44] <Sam-I-Am> the scripts that run are part of update-motd
[17:44] <Sam-I-Am> you can find them in /etc/update-motd.d
[17:45] <PorterTech> Hey guys, wondering if anyone could help me out with expanding a ebs volume that uses xfs.
[17:45] <PorterTech> I cannot get it to grow, because it doesnt detect change in disk size
[17:45] <kenpark> the machine does have internet access
[17:47] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: for some reason maybe its choking on trying to access the ubuntu servers.  might want to check on that... or just disable the scripts.
[17:47] <Sam-I-Am> personally i hate the login delay even on a system with good net access, so i kill those scripts anyway
[17:47] <Sam-I-Am> if i'm interested in updates i'll go find them :)
[17:48] <Sam-I-Am> you might also try touching .hushlogin in your home dir
[17:48] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: wish i could help, but i'm not familiar with ec2
[17:51] <PorterTech> its ok, I'm sure i will figure it out eventually
[17:51] <PorterTech> thanks tho
[17:51] <kenpark> Sam, this fixued it
[17:51] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[17:51] <Sam-I-Am> i've done a lot with xfs, just not in the cloud \
[17:51] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: which did?
[17:51] <kenpark> gee .. i would have never found out
[17:51] <kenpark> I moved all the scripts from /etc/update-motd.d to my home-dir
[17:51] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[17:52] <Sam-I-Am> there used to be a script called 'update-motd' where you could do 'update-motd --disable' but i'm not seeing that anymore on karmic
[17:53] <PorterTech> well, if i had a xfs file system on a 10GB disk, but then i mirrored it onto a larger disk and wanted to grow it to full disk size
[17:53] <PorterTech> but it didnt detect change in disk size
[17:54] <PorterTech> lol, just leave out the ec2 part
[17:54] <Sam-I-Am> that'd be an lvm thing...
[17:54] <PorterTech> it is mounted with mount -t xfs -o noatime "/dev/sdd1" "/mnt/ebs"
[17:54] <Sam-I-Am> it should see the partition table grow
[17:55] <Sam-I-Am> does lvm show the addition?
[17:56] <PorterTech> one sec, just startup up the instance
[17:56] <PorterTech> starting*
[18:00] <PorterTech> lvm is not installed
[18:01] <Sam-I-Am> so... you added a completely separate disk and want to expand a single filesystem over to it?
[18:01] <PorterTech> well, I used a snapshot of the 10 GB disk and created a 20GB disk with it
[18:02] <Sam-I-Am> did you just write the image bitwise?
[18:02] <Sam-I-Am> like... dd
[18:03] <PorterTech> its an exact bit copy
[18:03] <kenpark> Actually the problem is caused by landscape-sysinfo. There is a script that runs /usr/bin/landscape-sysinfo. Once started everything just hangs.
[18:03] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: yeah, so your 20gb disk/partition thinks its a 10gb disk/partition still
[18:04] <Sam-I-Am> because that image probably contains the partition info from that 10gb
[18:04] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: yeah, thats what the script runs iirc
[18:04] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: you should really figure out why thats hanging tho... sounds like a network issue.
[18:05] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: lvm is designed to do things like this... not plain old partitioning.  if you dont mind a chance at losing the data there, you might try expanding the partition with fdisk to fill the remaining 20gb
[18:06] <Sam-I-Am> but... ymmv
[18:06] <Sam-I-Am> lvm lets you do all sorts of disk addition and partition resizing on the fly
[18:06] <PorterTech> ya, it wasnt setup with lvm or md
[18:07] <PorterTech> wont fdisk completely corupt all of the data?
[18:07] <kenpark> Sam: It appears there is some kind of issure with acpi that causes it to hang
[18:07] <PorterTech> can i not some how update thexfs metadata?
[18:09] <kenpark> Thank you Sam, I think I am going to look for the acpi thingy :D
[18:09] <PorterTech> i think i am going to create another volume, and rsynk --links -av
[18:10] <PorterTech> rsync*
[18:13] <spiritof76> I am having trouble connecting desktop wirh server to print
[18:14] <spiritof76> Can print from server but cant get print from desktop
[18:14] <spiritof76> can call call the cups server from desktop
[18:19] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: yeah, rsync works too
[18:20] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: fdisk might not corrupt the data as long as it starts at the same place... and theres nothing scattered around the disk.  its a hack and has some requirements :)
[18:21] <Sam-I-Am> i need to get some work done outside... back later
[18:22] <spiritof76> Can any any one help me with printing to my server from desktop
[18:29] <PorterTech> thanks sam!
[18:37] <spiritof76> I can't get my server printer to print from my desktop..
[19:17] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #302012 in xinetd (main) "Update from 804 to 810 Xinetd and Update manager" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302012
[19:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #351509 in vm-builder (universe) "vmbuilder should provide an option to choose which libvirt virtual network" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351509
[19:43] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #366268 in vm-builder (universe) "fails if no ssh keys exist" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366268
[19:46] <MK13> i just setup hostapd with this tutorial: http://blog.robin.smidsrod.no/index.php/2008/08/08/how_to_setup_an_atheros_based_access_poi  , other devices now see the ssid i put up however they have no internet access (i do not know if this is because of IP problems or bridging problems)
[19:57] <Wallace> anybody know where TLS certificates used by dovecot live / how to generate them?  I did this last week, but i need to change the hostname, and I can't remember how I did it or find the instructions I followed
[20:00] <qman__> Wallace, the SSL certs dovecot uses are specified in the main dovecot configuratino
[20:00] <qman__> configuration*
[20:07] <Wallace> qman: yeah, but I created one for my host...now i want to replace it with a new one, and I can't remember how i created it
[20:46] <thomas_newbie__> how to list all related packages to "ssh" with apt-get ?
[20:49] <KurtKraut> thomas_newbie__, try aptitude search ssh
[21:15] <Noble> Hi, having problems with a Zimbra install on 9.10. Dependency libgmp3 is not found in the repos.
[21:19] <Noble> Hi, having problems with a Zimbra install on 9.10. Dependency  libgmp3 is not found in the repos.
[22:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #486831 in samba (main) "Nautilus network share - browsing windows computer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486831
[22:57] <erichammond> PorterTech (gone): I think you were looking for: xfs_growfs /mountedvolume
[23:00] <crohakon> is there a free alternative to cpanel?
[23:07] <GammalSokk> hmm... if I want to run two samba servers on the same pc, one on each of it's two network cards with separate configs, how do I do that?
[23:08] <GammalSokk> in 9.04 that is
[23:15] <andol> GammalSokk: In (very) short you need separate copies of /etc/samba/smb.conf and /etc/init.d/samba. You'll also need separate copies of the files and folders being refered to from those files.
[23:23] <andol> GammalSokk: Of course, just for the fun of it, some files and folders might not explicitly be refered to from smb.conf, but simply from default settings.
[23:24] <GammalSokk> hmm... the /etc/init.d/samba doesn't refer it to a config file to use... so I guess it uses /etc/samba/smb.conf as default so I would have to add wich config file to use in the init for the 2nd samba I guess


[12:38] <teslasnp> hello, just wondering if anyone has any good recommendations for an acpi management, or display
[12:41] <teslasnp> no one alive in here, huh
[01:07] <zachtib> hey, after a commandline ubuntu install of feisty, what package can i install to get just the core Xfce desktop environment?
[01:17] <Qew> zachtib: xubuntu-desktop
[01:17] <Qew> it's a meta package that'll pull in the needed Xfce packages
[01:17] <zachtib> i don't want the whole thing though, I want to pick and choose applications]
[01:18] <zachtib> it looks like xfce4 is the package i want
[01:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> zachtib, yep thats the one
[01:47] <bur[n] er> zachtib, you're my hero for deluge :)
[01:49] <zachtib> bur[n] er: :D
[01:49] <bur[n] er> anyone know if gparted is going to be on the xubuntu feisty release?  I notice it's not in ubuntu... which blows
[02:18] <Ge1> hi had a question about my screen resolution but i think i found the answer in the topic already :D
[03:16] <Freeza> where does xubuntu keep the config file for Login Window?
[03:17] <crdlb> Freeza, xubuntu uses gdm
[03:17] <Freeza> i added beryl-manager to the option there and now x wont start on normal login but i can do into it in failsafe but when i click on System - Login Window nothing happens
[03:18] <Freeza> where is the gdm config file?
[03:18] <crdlb> /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf
[03:19] <crdlb> Freeza, you added beryl-manager to your login window?
[03:19] <Freeza> yeah
[03:19] <Freeza> i couldnt find anywhere else to put it so i just added it to login window part
[03:19] <crdlb> why not just add it to your startup apps?
[03:19] <Freeza> but now system hangs on normal startup
[03:20] <Freeza> no idea where that was
[03:23] <Freeza> crap cant find it on that file
[05:48] <sigmamu188> !fstab
[05:48] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[05:59] <sigmamu188> !grub
[05:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:23] <nonuda_> can i install smb4k in xubuntu?
[07:35] <gerbil_juice> hello
[07:35] <gerbil_juice> i was wondering how to get widgets on my desktop like a clock and a performance monitor
[07:36] <gerbil_juice> using feisty
[07:36] <crdlb> gerbil_juice, try gdesklets or adesklets
[07:37] <crdlb> if you're running a compositor, you can use screenlets and cairo-clock
[07:37] <crdlb> conky is also nice
[07:38] <gerbil_juice> so do [sudo apt-get install gdesklets] ?
[07:38] <crdlb> !info gdesklets feisty
[07:38] <ubotu> gdesklets: Architecture for desktop applets. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35.3-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 466 kB, installed size 2452 kB
[07:38] <crdlb> yep
[07:38] <crdlb> !info conky feisty
[07:38] <ubotu> conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 123 kB, installed size 416 kB
[07:39] <crdlb> for a non-composited desktop, /me suggests those ^^
[07:39] <gerbil_juice> what do you mean by non-composited
[07:40] <gerbil_juice> i've got the display compositing enabled to make some things transparant
[07:43] <looping_> I have a problem with installing realplayer. Help please? :)
[07:45] <looping_> the installer won't launch because of a syntax error, have anyone had the same problem?
[07:51] <kumamoto> realplayer from synaptic or from realplayer's website?
[08:13] <brokenbin> when i was trying to install criawips presentations
[08:13] <brokenbin> it says that i have something conflicting wit hit
[08:13] <brokenbin> any idea?
[08:14] <Pumpernickel> Find out what's conflicting with it, and replace it if need be.
[08:14] <brokenbin> that's what i cant figure out
[08:15] <Pumpernickel> It should tell you, when it tries to install the conflicting package.
[08:17] <brokenbin> no
[08:17] <brokenbin> it doesn't say
[09:18] <lobby> what app i need to browse shared folder?
[09:20] <posingaspopular> lobby: shared... folders? what do you mean?
[09:26] <lobby> ok..how to open another computer in networking?
[09:27] <lobby> currentlu i have installed smb, but i don't know what application to use, in kubuntu i use konqueror
[09:27] <posingaspopular> pshh i am useless at that, sorry
[09:27] <lobby> ah..ok
[09:28] <MaxFrames> hello
[09:31] <posingaspopular> !welcome
[09:31] <ubotu> Hello and welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions or help others. If you'd like to chit-chat, please visit #xubuntu-offtopic and for developer discussion, see #xubuntu-devel :)
[09:32] <MaxFrames> will xubuntu 7 run reasonably fast on a PIII-733/128 MB RAM system?
[09:33] <MaxFrames> with v6 I get acceptable performances
[09:34] <posingaspopular> ummm 128 is the min. requirements
[09:34] <posingaspopular> ive only used v7 so i dont know though...
[10:29] <gunny01> MaxFrames: The sys reqs have not changed from 6.10 to 7.04
[10:51] <k^^> anyone know any good cloning tutorials? I would like to move my current xubuntu install onto a newer larger harddrive
[11:15] <kumamoto> k^^: tryed using dd
[11:18] <k^^> kumamoto: nope. I'm still new to linux so I need something specific to follow as a guide
[12:17] <Dedone> hi all
[12:17] <Dedone> someone could help me?
[12:18] <Dedone> i've a a problem with the last update of Xubuntu (also i'm a new user)
[12:19] <Dedone> after the last update i try to log in with the user and pass
[12:19] <Dedone> but the sytem doesn't allow to log me
[12:19] <Dedone> have the update reset my user and pass?
[01:23] <MaxFrames> hello again
[01:24] <MaxFrames> I have a problem with a Verbatim Store'n'Go USB pen drive not being recognized, can anyone help me?
[01:24] <MaxFrames> I also have a Kingston Migo USB pen drive, which is recognized
[01:25] <darrend_laptop> hi all.  Anyone using wireless (wpa) in xubuntu feisty?
[01:25] <darrend_laptop> I upgraded from edgy a couple of weeks back and wireless is totally broken.  Had it working really well in edgy
[01:25] <MaxFrames> the kingston appears under /media, and an icon appears on the desktop as well; when I insert the Verbatim, nothing happens
[02:34] <gsuveg> networkmanager works with xubuntu ?
[02:43] <Laibsch> darrend_laptop: Maybe you want to take a look at bug 62685
[02:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 62685 in linux-source-2.6.17 "[Edgy regression]  Hostap driver for PRISM2 wifi card not working any more" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62685
[02:43] <Laibsch> There is a workaround on how to get things going again in there as well.
[02:45] <darrend_laptop> Laibsch: I've looked through a lot of bugs!  Including that one.  My problem appears to be with the automatic (or not as it happens) association to the AP.  I roam between many networks, and had this working great under edgy
[02:45] <darrend_laptop> used to be able to suspend in one place, open up in the next and associate immediately.  Now it can take up to 3 hours of trying before it will reassociate
[02:46] <darrend_laptop> no change to drivers or my wpa_supplicant.conf
[02:46] <Laibsch> well, then I don't know
[02:46] <Laibsch> I have my own problems unfortunately.
[02:47] <darrend_laptop> unfortunately, it seems that no-one else does either
[02:47] <darrend_laptop> what concerns me is that all the so called "solutions" to this are based on Network-Manager
[02:47] <Laibsch> Scanning is erratic.  Sometimes it returns errors and sometimes it works (unfortunately, seldom)
[02:47] <darrend_laptop> which I don't use since it needs 500MB of gnome libs and I want networking whether I have X running or not anyway
[02:48] <darrend_laptop> but something must have changed in the scripts (or possibly the wpa_supplicant package) between edgy and feisty to make this fail.  That's what I'm struggling to find info about
[02:49] <darrend_laptop> once I actually GET connected to the AP, it works absoultely fine, so no driver/hardware issues I think
[02:50] <darrend_laptop> (off for a quick reboot as I just updated another 150Mb of packages and want to see a clean restart with them) ;)
[03:07] <Merchelo> cool
[03:47] <Mgccl> hello guys
[03:48] <Mgccl> I'm installing Xubuntu and I'm in step 5, where it says the new partition size. I just wonder is the new partition size the old partition size resized or the new partition size created?
[03:53] <Merchelo> new partition size to be created
[03:56] <Mgccl> thx :)
[03:57] <Mgccl> humm it seems like it stoped after I clicked forward...
[03:57] <ToHellWithGA> i'm trying to use xfce + beryl+ heliodor and don't know what to run to configure metacity themes from within xfce.  anybody know which command i should run and/or file i should edit?
[04:37] <mago_oscuro> buenas
[04:37] <mago_oscuro> tardes
[04:48] <limetang> I just tried to install Xubuntu 7.04 Beta (alternate) and I got an isolinux disk error 80.
[04:48] <limetang> What does this mean?
[04:51] <hyper_ch> limetang: did you check the cd for defects?
[04:51] <hyper_ch> and for feisty I recommend the desktop cd
[04:52] <limetang> I'm unsure of whether my aging computer would cope with the desktop CD.
[04:53] <limetang> And it does that before doing anything.
[04:58] <Piet> hi. does the xubuntu 6.10 installer support partition encryption? if so, does it support dm-crypt + luks?
[04:59] <Piet> if not, is there a test stage xubuntu installer which does?
[05:09] <Piet> anyone awake? are my questions just silly or...?
[05:15] <hyper_ch> limetang: then it seems the burn was bad
[05:15] <hyper_ch> limetang: I just had problems with the partitioner in the alternate feisty cd... couldn't get it to work in herd4 and herd5
[05:16] <hyper_ch> Piet: you can install partition encryption later on... the installer itself does not provide that
[05:20] <Piet> hyper_ch: the 7.04 neither?
[05:22] <hyper_ch> Piet: I did not check for sure but I don't think it does
[05:22] <hyper_ch> you can easily test yourself, install vmware or virtualbox and have an install running... then you'll see
[05:24] <Piet> good point
[05:24] <hyper_ch> it would be nice if it came with true crypt
[05:24] <Piet> but i'm not sure it's woth wasting the bandwidth ;)
[05:25] <Piet> anyway, thanks for your help
[05:25] <hyper_ch> 700mb... doesn't take long to download
[05:25] <Piet> well, i think dmcrypt + luks is much better really
[05:26] <hyper_ch> how does dmcrypt and luks operate
[05:27] <Piet> i doubt anyone can explain that in three lines
[05:28] <hyper_ch> you can try
[05:47] <hyper_ch> !libdebian-installer.so.4
[05:53] <gerbil_juice> which would you suggest, gdesklets or adesklets
[06:02] <VxJasonxV> Can anyone tell me why Konqueror opens when I click on a link in Thunderbird?  Firefox is set as the preferred web browser in Settings -> Preferred Apps.
[06:03] <hyper_ch> VxJasonxV: isn't there a setting in TB?
[06:04] <VxJasonxV> I've been looking.  Not seeing yet, but looking
[06:04] <hyper_ch> no clue then
[06:06] <VxJasonxV> x-www-browser is the definition for network.protocol-handler.app.http and https
[06:06] <VxJasonxV> where that is defined is beyond me
[06:08] <Pumpernickel> VxJasonxV: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/set-the-default-browser-on-ubuntu-from-the-command-line/
[06:13] <VxJasonxV> Pumpernickel,
[06:13] <VxJasonxV> konq was selected :|
[06:13] <VxJasonxV> thanks
[06:18] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[06:19] <Merchelo> hello
[06:21] <spasticteapot> Any fun things I can do with Xubuntu I'm not doing?
[07:45] <kj0ttdeig> is it possible to make xubuntu use the screen resolution 1280x1024? everywhere i check, 1024x768 is the maximum, and editing xorg.conf doesn't help
[07:45] <Pumpernickel> What video card do you have?
[07:46] <Naughtyboy> and what kind of monitor ar you using..?
[07:47] <kj0ttdeig> sapphire radeon 9600se
[07:48] <kj0ttdeig> 1280x1024 works well in kubuntu and ubuntu on the very same hardware, but i prefer xubuntu
[07:52] <Pumpernickel> Could you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[07:52] <Pumpernickel> !paste
[07:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:53] <kj0ttdeig> sure
[07:55] <kj0ttdeig> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14053/
[08:02] <Pumpernickel> OK, you should only have to add the resolution in the "Screen" section and update the HorizSync and VertRefresh options in the "Monitor" section.
[08:03] <Pumpernickel> There's an online modeline calculator here for the second part: http://www.bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/
[08:03] <Pumpernickel> And if you don't have any wacom devices, you may as well remove the sections dealing with those.
[08:08] <kj0ttdeig> hmmm, i did the first part, but where should the modelines go?
[08:09] <Pumpernickel> It's just for the HorizSync and VertRefresh values.
[08:15] <kj0ttdeig> i see.. i've done it now, i guess i need to restart x-server!?
[08:16] <Pumpernickel> Yeah.
[08:16] <kj0ttdeig> i'll do that.. bbl.. thanks for your time :)
[08:16] <Pumpernickel> No problem.
[08:23] <kj0ttdeig> it works Pumpernickel .. thank you very much
[09:52] <Ezep> ho
[09:52] <Ezep> hi
[09:53] <Merchelo> hello.
[09:58] <Ezep> can i use xubuntu with 64ram and 233mhz?
[10:05] <Ezep> apt: hi
[10:06] <Ezep> can i use xubuntu with 64ram and 233mhz?
[10:07] <Pumpernickel> Yeah.
[10:07] <Merchelo> To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only required you to have 64 MB RAM.
[10:07] <Ezep> oh, so i must download the alternate install...
[10:09] <Ezep> ubuntu rock!
[10:25] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:27] <Merchelo> hi
[10:37] <Grey_Loki> Is there an easy way to undelete an entire directory of files and subdirs in 6.10?
[10:38] <Pumpernickel> Not really.
[10:39] <Pumpernickel> Was it an ext3 fs?
[10:41] <Grey_Loki> !ext3
[10:41] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[10:41] <Grey_Loki> Just gonna find a way to check :P
[10:41] <Pumpernickel> It's the default fs.
[10:41] <Grey_Loki> Well, I don't recall changing it.
[10:43] <Pumpernickel> Probably ext3, then.
[10:43] <Pumpernickel> In which case, you're facing this: http://tinyurl.com/yp79oz
[10:44] <slow-motion> n8
[10:44] <Grey_Loki> n8?
[10:45] <Grey_Loki> :S
[10:56] <darx> hi folks
[10:56] <darx> just installed the latest xubuntu and guess what, it seems that all propreitory drivers are installed by default?
[10:57] <darx> can someone confirm this
[10:57] <Merchelo> aye
[10:57] <darx> mp4, avi, mov etc works for me
[11:00] <darx> #ubuntu+1
[11:05] <freeza> does xfce have capabiities for widgets?
[11:06] <maxamillion> freeza: define widget ... it has many different meanings in different context
[11:06] <darx> freeza: i've seen people doing it.. but i guess they are gnome stuff
[11:06] <darx> not native
[11:06] <darx> i'm not sure though
[11:07] <brokenbin> when i am trying to install criawips presentation, i receive the following error message
[11:07] <brokenbin> This application conflicts with other installed software. To install 'criawips' the conflicting software must be removed first.
[11:07] <brokenbin> Switch to the advanced mode to resolve this conflict.
[11:07] <Grey_Loki> What's that command that allows you to take a screenshot from an xterm window?
[11:07] <Grey_Loki> Erm, command you input into an xterm window that allows you to take a screenshot of your entire screen's content.
[11:08] <freeza> talking widget like konfabulator type
[11:08] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: scrot .... its not installed by default though
[11:08] <maxamillion> !info scrot | Grey_Loki
[11:08] <ubotu> grey_loki: scrot: command line screen capture utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-7 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[11:09] <Grey_Loki> Thanks, maxamillion
[11:09] <maxamillion> freeza: what is a konfabulator?
[11:09] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: anytime :)
[11:09] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[11:09] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:09] <maxamillion> good bot
[11:09] <darx> freeza: its yahoo stuff and propreitory and closed
[11:09] <freeza> yeah i know
[11:09] <freeza> i was making an example of widget
[11:10] <freeza> another is like dashboard in osx
[11:10] <brokenbin> what conflicts with criawips?
[11:10] <darx> xfce can run a lot of widgets
[11:10] <darx> its just a matter of asking google or the formus
[11:10] <freeza> ahh ok
[11:10] <darx> i've seen a lot of people doing it.. but im not into that
[11:11] <maxamillion> freeza: oh, those are generally called desklets in linux and you can install either aDesklets or gDesklets (those are the two most popular)
[11:11] <darx> yup
[11:11] <freeza> ahh ok ill google those 2 thanks
[11:11] <darx> but takes up a lot of resources
[11:11] <Grey_Loki> gdesklets is what I use - very, very simple to set up and configure
[11:12] <darx> beats the purpose of xfce really
[11:12] <darx> anyway its preferance
[11:12] <darx> just my two cents
[11:12] <maxamillion> freeza: no problem
[11:15] <pirothezero> If I had dual monitor portrait mode how would I go about putting the xfc bar on the top and bottom and increase the size to span both monitors?
[11:16] <maxamillion> pirothezero: right click the panel and change "Full Width" to "Span Monitors" from the drop down menu
[11:17] <pirothezero> hmmm
[11:21] <brokenbin> maxamillion: can you help me with installing criawips?
[11:23] <brokenbin> maxamillion: there seems to be a conflict with something else
[11:23] <maxamillion> brokenbin: i can try
[11:23] <brokenbin> maxamillion: it says: This application conflicts with other installed software. To install 'criawips' the conflicting software must be removed first.
[11:24] <maxamillion> brokenbin: it doesn't tell you what its conflicting with?
[11:24] <brokenbin> no
[11:24] <brokenbin> how can i find that out?
[11:24] <maxamillion> brokenbin: what application are you using to install it?
[11:25] <brokenbin> add/remove applications
[11:25] <brokenbin> maxamillion: let me try synaptic
[11:26] <maxamillion> brokenbin: yeah, try synaptic ... if not there, then we will be getting into the command line so brace yourself :)
[11:26] <brokenbin> criawips:
[11:26] <brokenbin>  Depends: libcriawips0 but it is not going to be installed
[11:26] <brokenbin>  Depends: libcriawipshelper0 but it is not going to be installed
[11:26] <brokenbin>  Depends: libdbus-1-2 (>=0.62) but it is not installable
[11:26] <brokenbin>  Depends: libgoffice-1-2 (>=0.2.1) but it is not installable or
[11:26] <brokenbin>  	libgoffice-gtk-1-2 (>=0.2.1) but it is not installable
[11:27] <brokenbin> maxamillion: that's the message
[11:27] <maxamillion> hmmmm
[11:27] <maxamillion> !info libcriawips0
[11:27] <ubotu> libcriawips0: libraries necessary to run criawips. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.11-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 135 kB, installed size 356 kB
[11:28] <maxamillion> !info criawips
[11:28] <ubotu> criawips: A Presentation application for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.11-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 176 kB
[11:29] <maxamillion> hmmm.....
[11:29] <maxamillion> brokenbin: have you installed anything through backports?
[11:30] <brokenbin> maxamillion: i don't even know what that is
[11:30] <maxamillion> oh ... ok
[11:33] <brokenbin> maxamillion: btw, it didnt' work even when xubuntu is freshly installed
[11:33] <maxamillion> brokenbin: ohhhhh, ok
[11:35] <maxamillion> brokenbin: ok, go in synaptic
[11:35] <brokenbin> maxamillion: ok
[11:36] <maxamillion> brokenbin: go to "Settings" and then "Repositories" and make sure the one that says "Universe" is checked, then save and click "reload" (on the main synaptic window) and try to install it then
[11:39] <brokenbin> maxamillion: same thing
[11:39] <brokenbin> maxamillion: same error message
[11:40] <maxamillion> hmmm.....
[11:42] <darx> what is the best way to browse windows shares?
[11:43] <darx> i cant seem to find network shares via thunar
[11:43] <maxamillion> darx: its not a feature that thunar currently has
[11:44] <brokenbin> maxamillion: so it is not conflict?
[11:44] <maxamillion> darx: the easiest way to do so is with nautilus, but that's ALOT of dependencies to install just for one app
[11:44] <darx> i guess it already installed.. lemme see
[11:44] <maxamillion> brokenbin: no, there's a conflict i just dont understand why ... i just installed and removed it on my machine
[11:45] <brokenbin> maxamillion: how did you install it?
[11:45] <darx> yup installed
[11:47] <maxamillion> brokenbin: open a Terminal window and type "sudo aptitude install criawips"
[11:50] <brokenbin> maxamillion: can you give me a pastebin?
[11:50] <maxamillion> brokenbin: of what?
[11:50] <Diego> hi all
[11:50] <maxamillion> Diego: hello
[11:51] <Diego> could anyone help me please?
[11:51] <maxamillion> !ask | Diego
[11:51] <brokenbin> maxamillion: http://pastebin.ca/426071
[11:51] <ubotu> Diego: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:51] <Diego> ok :)
[11:51] <Diego> i've got an old ibm x20 here where i want install xubuntu on it
[11:51] <Diego> i've tried it with the beta 7.xx
[11:52] <Diego> but after i have choosen the keyboard layout and else
[11:52] <Diego> there was only the background and the mousetrigger
[11:52] <Diego> now i am trying with stable 6.10
[11:52] <Diego> but its goddamn slow
[11:53] <Diego> pc has: p3 600mhz, 128mb of ram, 20gb hdd
[11:53] <Diego> should be enough?!
[11:53] <Jester45> what kind of install
[11:53] <maxamillion> brokenbin: i haven't the slightest idea ... you might ask in #ubuntu because that isn't going to be a xubuntu specific issue and they might be able to help
[11:53] <Jester45> lice cd or alternative
[11:53] <Jester45> live*
[11:53] <Diego> i am installing by a cd
[11:53] <maxamillion> Diego: which cd?
[11:53] <maxamillion> Diego: there are 2 options
[11:54] <Qew> Diego: should just about work. However, to install it, you'll have to use the alternative CD and not the live one.
[11:54] <brokenbin> maxamillion: do you use edgy?
[11:54] <Jester45> Qew, well the live will work on 128mb ram but its VERY slow
[11:54] <Diego> ok, where can i see which cd i've got?
[11:54] <Qew> yeah, it'll work, but won't install
[11:54] <Diego> i thought it should be enough
[11:54] <Qew> to get it to install on the HD, it'll need the alternative one (text based)
[11:55] <Jester45> Diego, there is a desktop cd and a alternative cd you need to use alternative cd
[11:55] <pirothezero> okay its on span monitors but it goes all across one of them and 1/2 way on the other
[11:55] <Diego> please tell me where i can get the alternative cd from, and will it work?
[11:55] <maxamillion> brokenbin: i use dapper, edgy, and feisty all on different computers
[11:55] <pirothezero> and i can't move the bottom bar, it is currently in the middle of my screen
[11:56] <pirothezero> i right click and hit move and it allows me to 'ghost move it' but then when i click it goes back to where it is
[11:56] <Jester45> pirothezero, try setting the bar to expand
[11:56] <Qew> Diego: http://ftp.cw.net/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/ and search for your appropriate alternative CD
[11:57] <Diego> thx
[11:57] <Qew> Diego: well, seeing that the Live CD worked, this should work for you. The live cd would probably be slow, but if it gets installed on a HD, it should pick up speed.
[11:58] <Diego> yeah, but the install did seem to stop when i picked the timeline and keyboard layout
[11:59] <Diego> so i will try it with the alternate cd
[11:59] <Diego> i think it was because of the small ram, 128mb
[11:59] <pirothezero> Jester45 hard to explain what I have so here obzftw.com/Screenshot.png
[11:59] <pirothezero> two dual monitors in portrait mode. its like the bars dont know about the other monitor
[12:03] <Jester45> im not at my computer right now but right click the panel and search on the properties section for expand
[12:03] <Jester45> its like expand across desktops
[12:03] <pirothezero> when i click the box for expand that moves all the options to the far right like in windows systray
[12:04] <pirothezero> still doesnt move the actual bar
[12:04] <Jester45> i have to go i will be back in about 1 1/2 hours
[12:04] <pirothezero> alright ill come in later and try to find oyu
[12:04] <Jester45> well im not sure whats the problem is
[12:04] <pirothezero> thanks
[12:04] <Jester45> you can ask some others i never had your problem
[12:05] <pirothezero> ya like i dont know if its just cause i have like all 3 desktops on here or what
[12:05] <pirothezero> like i get mix and matches sometimes kde loads with gnome window manager its really crazy
[12:05] <Jester45> just a question: why do you have konversation and xchat
[12:06] <Jester45> well try starting with only xfce things on
[12:06] <Jester45> no gnome wm and xfce other thing just try one
[12:07] <pirothezero> well thing is I use the krandtray tool to rotate 90 degrees ccw
[12:07] <pirothezero> dont know any other way
[12:07] <Jester45> i like beryl
[12:07] <Jester45> i dont think it can do that
[12:07] <pirothezero> that might be screwing it up too
[12:07] <Jester45> you could move your moniters
[12:07] <pirothezero> to landscape you mean?
[12:08] <Jester45> yes
[12:08] <Jester45> or...
[12:08] <Jester45> no i
[12:08] <Jester45> meant turn your moniters 90 degrees
[12:09] <pirothezero> ah
[12:09] <pirothezero> as for xchat and conversation kcon is on there from when I started using kubuntu
[12:09] <pirothezero> never really got around to taking it off
[12:10] <pirothezero> ill just download xubuntu pop in a spare hard drive and just give it a fresh go
[12:10] <Jester45> i dont have any icons
[12:10] <Jester45> or boot with a custom session
[12:10] <Jester45> with only xfce things
[12:10] <pirothezero> alright ill look into that
[12:11] <pirothezero> oh whats the sun/star thing about new apps thing ?
[12:11] <pirothezero> where if you quit it
[12:11] <pirothezero> it turns into a rectangle with two squares in it
[12:11] <Jester45> ??
[12:11] <pirothezero> gray can move it around , very annoying and I have like 8 of them
[12:12] <pirothezero> http://obzftw.com/Screenshot-1.png
[12:12] <pirothezero> if you can go to that
[12:12] <pirothezero> left monitor
[12:12] <pirothezero> above xmms
[12:13] <Jester45> idk never had them
[12:13] <pirothezero> lol man I just have one f'ed up install
[12:13] <Jester45> what version of xubuntu r u using
[12:13] <pirothezero> well it started out as kubuntu then I wanted to try the rest so I added them all
[12:13] <pirothezero> but edgy
[12:14] <Jester45> no like 6.06 6.10 7.06
[12:14] <pirothezero> 6.10
[12:16] <Jester45> o
[12:16] <pirothezero> no big deal Ill just start fresh
[12:18] <FlippantBird> can someone help me? im having problems with the terminal
[12:18] <dooglus> depends on what kind of problems...
[12:18] <FlippantBird> wierd one...
[12:19] <pirothezero> Ahhh okay they are panels jester lol right click on them or in panel manager i can just delete them
[12:19] <pirothezero> not sure how they got there
[12:19] <FlippantBird> a prompt wont show up
[12:19] <dooglus> FlippantBird: in a new terminal?
[12:19] <dooglus> or one you've soiled?
[12:20] <FlippantBird> it just says * Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local) [OK]  then there is a blinking cursor below
[12:20] <FlippantBird> nothing else
[12:20] <FlippantBird> i cant enter commands
[12:21] <FlippantBird> its also full screen, and i cant seem to get back to the desktop
[12:21] <FlippantBird> im not suree if X shutdown
[12:23] <FlippantBird> dooglus: yes, its a new terminal
[12:23] <dooglus> FlippantBird: you've put something into /etc/rc.local which doesn't finish?
[12:23] <dooglus> FlippantBird: wait - is this an xfce terminal?
[12:24] <dooglus> FlippantBird: or the virtual console?


[02:10] <locknet> Hey guys, is there a way to fix a "grub_calloc not found" error without running a live iso?
[02:10] <locknet> Mostly because this server is running in a VPS
[02:12] <sarnold> locknet: there's some instructions for aws on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/GRUB2SecureBootBypass#Cloud_instances_.28e.g._AWS_EC2.29
[02:15] <locknet> yeah, but I do not have AWS :(
[02:16] <sarnold> there's links there for google compute environment and azure on detaching and attaching volumes for a rescue instance
[16:32] <shubjero> coreycb: I think there is an issue with python3-cinderclient in the bionic train repo. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GDqpMwQkjF/
[16:34] <oerheks> line 20 worries me; 138 not upgraded?
[16:35] <shubjero> coreycb: Looks like removing python-cinderclient before installing python3-cinderclient works
[16:35] <shubjero> oerheks: 138 not upgraded because when I added the train repo and did an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade it failed on python3-cinderclient
[16:35] <shubjero> im re-running dist-upgrade again
[16:35] <shubjero> now that I resolved python3-cinderclient
[16:49] <teward> coreycb: looks like python{,3}-cinderclient has a conflict in that both are attempting to write to the same tabcompletions file
[16:50] <teward> coreycb: so either a "conflicts" on one or the other (so they aren't coinstallable) or a separate -common for the tabcompletion to be installed as a dependency for one or the other might solve it
[16:50] <teward> cc shubjero
[16:50] <shubjero> teward: yep, and first thing i tried was to remove the tabcompletion file and then re-run the apt install python3-cinderclient but it still didnt like that. My solution was to first uninstall python-cinderclient
[16:51] <teward> shubjero: that's normal because dpkg has independent ways to track if two packages touch the same file
[16:51] <teward> whether the file exists or not
[16:51] <shubjero> Understood
[16:51] <shubjero> Anyways I'm doing a stein to train upgrade in my lab and making notes for when I do this in prod. Yes, im one of the few who still has an .deb install of openstack in production :)
[16:51] <teward> hence why i said eitehr "Conflicts" between the two python packages or a separate -common pulled in as a dep for both python packages to do the tabcomplete or smth.  (Something I'll leave in coreycb or oerheks's hands :P)
[16:52] <coreycb> shubjero: tahnks for the msg, did you happen to open a bug yet?
[16:52] <shubjero> Switching away is too much work and personally I've done around a dozen openstack upgrades without much headache thanks to the ubuntu teams hard work :)
[16:52] <shubjero> coreycb: no, i havent
[16:53] <shubjero> coreycb: I can take a few minutes to open a bug if you would like
[16:53] <coreycb> shubjero: let's use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-cinderclient/+bug/1841516
[16:54] <shubjero> Oh nice, already reported
[16:54] <coreycb> shubjero: thanks. I'll get it on our radar and triage it.
[16:55] <shubjero> coreycb: I marked the bug as it affects me, thanks again!
[17:44] <shubjero> coreycb: Does neutron require any db sync/upgrade commands? I don't see any mentions in documentation of 'neutron-db-manage' like in previous upgrades.
[17:45] <coreycb> shubjero: I would think so, yes
[17:47] <coreycb> shubjero: I'd recommend checking the upstream docs though, there won't be anything different in distro
[23:17] <jayjo_> I am trying to virtualize my pfsense deployment alongside ubuntu in order to also run some other services on the same hardware. I have experience with qemu + kvm for running VM's in ubuntu, but I haven't done anything like forwarding NICs before. I'm willing to put in more research if there's a better way to do it. Is there a recommendation for virtualizing alongside another Ubuntu VM?
[23:26] <jayjo_> I don't have experience with Proxmox, but it comes up a lot in "KVM vs ..." searches.


[04:21] <darkxst> SonikkuAmerica, of course, gtk should land in the next week, then we can open the flood gates and land most of the stuff still in -staging
[04:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Yay! :D
[04:24] <darkxst> 15.04 should be 100% 3.14
[04:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Tell amjjawad I said hello, stay out of trouble, and thanks for letting me invest. Without him I would not be the Ubuntu MATE Communications team lead.
[04:25] <darkxst> Ali is never on irc but I will let him know
[04:26] <SonikkuAmerica> I know. Oh, I know.
[04:27] <darkxst> though now he has come to my land, I can just text him if I need something ;)
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Indeed. I have an inkling of why he moved, and phillw thinks the same way too. I hope he's doing OK
[04:29] <darkxst> I think he is, but he hasnt found any work yet
[04:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Work is hard to come by, no?
[04:31] <darkxst> for what he wants to do, probably yes
[04:32] <SonikkuAmerica> What *does* he want to do? Like I knew...
[04:33] <darkxst> well IT, but he has grand plans of somehow making a living off linux stuff
[04:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh right, he wants to make another Canonical or Attachmate (fka Novell)
[04:34] <darkxst> nah, don't think he wants to take it that far
[04:35] <SonikkuAmerica> And I'll betcha he wouldn't take it to the other, Marxist, RMS-style extreme
[04:37] <darkxst> nope, which is good, since I reckon the GPL and other copyleft licenses will be largely irrelevant in 10 years
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah
[04:38] <darkxst> companies have realised the value of open source (atleast in certain sectors) and once that happens they will contribute regardless of license
[04:40] <SonikkuAmerica> I doubt GPL, LGPL, &c. or commercial software will go completely extinct, but yeah
[11:26] <komporto> hey gnomers. does one have an idea how i can modify the colors of the adwaita theme (i mean the highlight colors, which are blue by default).regards,
[11:37] <komporto> napušite mi se kurca stoko šugava
[14:57] <vianpl> Hi all. I've got an strange issue with my ubuntu-gnome 14.10 setup . It is a samsung series 9 ultrabook. Anytime I insert an sd card it gets mounted as read only, there is no way of mounting it as RW, and doing dmesg I get a "[sdb] Write Protect is on" message. The physical lock on the card is off. I can anytime modify the sd card on any other computer. Any ideas, I've checked the forums and nothing helped.
[19:45] <hellslinger> hello everyone, I'd love to use the gnome3 lock in another desktop/window manager. I have gnome-settings-daemon running, but it doesn't lock on resume and the screensaver doesn't seem to come on
[20:47] <darkxst> hellslinger, the lock screen is provided by gnome-shell