[01:51] <poolie> hi spiv
[01:52] <lifeless> ok, losa ping - again, sorry for the noisiness of this; there is something odd/wrong
[01:53] <spiv> Morning poolie.
[01:54] <poolie> thanks for the stacking fix
[01:55] <poolie> there are some more similar ones if you're keen
[01:55] <poolie> probably currently untargeted but i would not object to fixing them
[01:56] <spiv> Any specific ones in mind?  There are quite a few with the 'stacking' tag!
[01:57] <poolie> nothing specific sorry
[01:57] <poolie> what did you have in mind to chase next?
[02:07] <lifeless> poolie: shout when you have a minute (loom-diff topic)
[02:15] <spiv> poolie: submitting my bzr and bzr-builder branches to support the 'take just debian/ dir from a parallel import' case.  I have complete patches for both, but based on discussion on the list I think I'll leave out any CLI for it in the initial bzr patch.
[02:22] <spiv> poolie: that said, one of the other High stacking bugs looks fairly straightforward, so I'll queue that up to tackle too
[02:22] <spiv> (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/551525)
[03:13] <poolie> spiv that would be nice, you could target that
[04:34] <bendj> I'm building 2.2b3.  On x86m builds & installs just fine.  On a similarly configured x86_64 box, however, it reports an "internal error": http://pastebin.com/8UK28NnA
[04:35] <bendj> Before I report a bug -- does that, in fact, look like a bazaar issue, or likely something in my env?
[04:35] <bendj> I ask cuz of the different behavior on different arch ...
[04:35] <lifeless> its a bit hard to tell
[04:37] <lifeless> that means that trace._bzr_log_filename is None
[04:38] <lifeless> do you have logging disabled or something, perhaps ?
[04:39] <bendj> lifeless: Nope.  Was working ... at least before this build attempt.
[04:39] <bendj> nothing _should_ be significantly different abt this x86_64 box :-/
[04:41] <bendj> lifeless: aha.  well, sort of ... if I manually "rm /usr/local/bin/bzr" the previously installed bzr, then re- "python setup.py install", no more error.
[04:41] <bendj> shouldn't an install overwrite a preexisting bin?
[04:42] <lifeless> bendj: only if its installing to the same place
[04:42] <bendj> lifeless: it is ...
[04:42] <bendj> interesting tried it on 3 x86_64 boxes, same behavior.  on x86 boxes, no req't to PRE-delete the nimady
[04:42] <lifeless> e
[04:42] <bendj> aghh! binary
[04:43] <bendj> (nimady? jeesh ...)
[04:43] <lifeless> nomstu surely ?
[04:44] <bendj> heh ... smart___ ;-)
[04:45] <bendj> easy enuf -- added to my notes.  thx!
[05:17] <AfC> If I want to get the branch of an Ubuntu package [presumably from Launchpad] (as opposed to an upstream hosted on Launchpad), is there a special command or URL to use?
[05:22] <spiv> IIRC, lp:ubuntu/src-package-name (or e.g. lp:ubuntu/maverick/src-package-name to explicitly get the maverick version)
[05:28]  * AfC tries that
[05:30] <AfC> spiv: yes,
[05:30] <AfC> $ bzr branch lp:ubuntu/bc
[05:30] <AfC> spiv: worked.
[05:31] <AfC> Kind of a shame that all the revisions show as being made by Bazaar Package Importer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead of whomever the original committer in Debian or Ubuntu was.
[05:32] <poolie> hi afc
[05:32] <AfC> poolie: hello Martin, nice to see you
[05:32] <poolie> you too
[05:50] <lifeless> AfC: I think it sets author now
[05:50] <lifeless> AfC: so log can show it
[05:50] <AfC> oh.
[05:51] <AfC> so does that mean those branches will be superseded with new ones?
[05:51] <AfC> lifeless: ^
[05:51] <lifeless> maybe someday
[05:51] <lifeless> magic 8 ball says 'drink some beer'
[05:51] <AfC> lifeless: cool!
[05:52] <AfC> No, that was "cool that the bzr branches will be fixed", not "cool that you're drinking and we
[05:52] <AfC> are not" :)
[05:56] <lifeless> AfC: actually I'm working @ poolies today
[06:13] <AfC> lifeless: still, though, all in all the "go drink beer" meme is a good one. I think we might take your advice.
[06:14] <lifeless> AfC: be my guest :)
 I'm building 2.2b3.  On x86m builds & installs just fine.  On a similarly configured x86_64 box, however, it reports an "internal error": http://pastebin.com/8UK28NnA
[06:17] <mgz> ^I actually get some test failures like that in my setup, because I don't init logging
[06:18] <mgz> really that line shouldn't assume that trace._bzr_log_filename is a string
[06:19] <poolie> spiv, lifeless, did one of you mention an updated network delay simulator?
[06:22] <parthm> looks like an interesting ssl bug got fixed upstream in python http://bugs.python.org/issue9075 ... was posted on reddit.
[06:25] <spiv> poolie: I don't think that would have been me.
[06:30] <lifeless> mgz: I'm in that area now, I'll do something to it (stabby stabby)
[06:31] <poolie> i'm trying to reproduce bug 590638 between here and chinstrap
[06:31] <poolie> as another machine on a similar network
[06:31] <poolie> unfortunately it's only sending fairly large stream parts
[06:31] <poolie> so the effect is not very obvious
[06:35] <mgz> lifeless: cool
[06:35] <mgz> now I need to stop playing and pack my things
[06:39] <spiv> poolie: IIRC, igc saw a variety of large and small stream parts when fetching lp:launchpad, perhaps try using that as the data?
[06:56] <vila> poolie: There is SocketDelay in stub_sftp..
[06:56]  * vila not fully here yet
[06:57] <vila> poolie: but a vm sounds like an easier way to truly simulate that (ymmv, etc)
[07:20] <poolie> spiv, i think when i branched from lp to chinstrap it probably got repacked into something less fragmented?
[07:23] <lifeless> yes
[07:23] <lifeless> it will be optimus prime now
[07:24] <vila> hi all
[07:27] <spiv> poolie: hmm, I guess you could grab the files via sftp.
[08:05] <sebi_`> I accidently added .git/ to my branch with "bzr add .", but after "bzr remove .git", bzr actually erased the *physical* location.. what's the deal with that?
[08:06] <sebi_`> er, bzr rm .git
[08:06] <spiv> 'bzr revert .git; bzr rm --keep .git'
[08:07] <sebi_`> I just wanted to remove it from my branch ):
[08:07] <sebi_`> bzr revert .git brought at least .git back, thanks
[08:07] <spiv> 'bzr rm FOO' will automatically delete FOO if it is safe to do so, i.e. if the file(s) to delete were committed and unchanged, because when people 'rm' things they usually want them removed completely :)
[08:08] <spiv> If you'd never committed the .git directory, then 'bzr rm' would have defaulted to 'bzr rm --keep'
[08:08] <sebi_`> true, but git rmtree $path only removes the data from the branch, if it has been accidently pushed
[08:08] <sebi_`> I didn't commit yet
[08:09] <sebi_`> okay, well, time to study the docs again, I guess :P
[08:09] <sebi_`> also, are comments allowed in the .bzrignore?
[08:09] <spiv> 'bzr revert' reverts to the last committed state... so if 'bzr revert' brought it back, you must have committed it.
[08:09] <sebi_`> errr yeah. commited, but not pushed
[08:10] <spiv> Leading #, I think.
[08:10] <sebi_`> okay
[08:11] <spiv> Depending on how recently you accidentally committed that directory, you might find 'bzr uncommit' helpful.
[08:14] <sebi_`> it looks like no sensitive data has been added, so I guess it's fine
[08:37] <poolie> hi there vila
[08:38] <vila> hey poolie
[08:39] <poolie> hi spiv, vila
[08:39] <poolie> for reasons i'm about to post to bug 582157, i couldn't prove that flushing the hpss stream more often makes things faster
[08:39] <poolie> but i'm still pretty sure it will help in some cases
[08:39] <vila> :)
[08:40] <poolie> so i think i'll send it up anyhow
[08:40] <vila> when have no scientific proof, trust the experts :)
[08:40] <vila> s/have/you have/, typos....
[08:41] <poolie> :)
[08:41] <spiv> poolie: My suspicion is it will help a small amount.  I certainly don't expect it to hurt, at least not for the uses we currently use body streams for.
[08:41] <spiv> poolie: so, your inconclusive results match my expectations :)
[08:41] <poolie> me too
[08:42] <poolie> i had to adjust or cut a couple of tests about how many flushes there were
[08:42] <poolie> i hit https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/tribunal/+bug/598348
[08:42] <poolie> when they fail they print the whole 1.5MB stream :)
[08:42] <spiv> Heh.
[08:42] <poolie> though it is nice the test is there
[08:58] <GaryvdM> Hi all
[09:02] <vila> hey GaryvdM !
[09:02] <GaryvdM> Hi vila
[09:19] <GaryvdM> Does use of ctypes reduce portability?
[09:35] <poolie> GaryvdM: it depends what you do with it :)
[09:36] <poolie> not necessarily
[09:36] <GaryvdM> Hi poolie!
[09:36] <GaryvdM> poolie: http://code.activestate.com/recipes/496960-thread2-killable-threads/
[09:37] <poolie> wow
[09:39] <poolie> ok, good night all
[09:39] <lifeless> gnight
[09:39] <lifeless> btw
[09:39] <lifeless> paste
[09:39] <lifeless> loggerheads web engine
[09:39] <lifeless> has that code already
[09:39] <GaryvdM> night poolie
[09:39] <poolie> lifeless: which bit? thread killing?
[09:40] <lifeless> yes
[09:41] <GaryvdM> Ok - I feel better about using it then.
[09:41] <poolie> in qbzr?
[09:41] <GaryvdM> Yes
[09:50] <C-Keen> Hi! I am comming from darcs and hg/git and I was wondering if I am expecting the wrong thing here: if I do a merge from a remote branch to my own, should I see the other branche's commits in history?
[09:55] <poolie> C-Keen: yes, use 'log -n0'
[09:57] <C-Keen> poolie: that's cool! thanks!
[09:57] <C-Keen> I like how bazaar handles history!
[09:59] <C-Keen> poolie: another question. Can I tell bzr to commit merges if my tip does not diverge?
[10:06] <jelmer> C-Keen: you would probably want to use 'bzr pull' in that case rather than merge
[10:07] <C-Keen> ah ok
[10:38] <GaryvdM> C-Keen:  bzr merge --pull . That will pull if the branches have not merged, and will merge if they have.
[10:38] <GaryvdM> *have not diverged
[10:39] <C-Keen> ah!
[10:46] <GaryvdM> Offtopic question, but it is for qbzr dev:
[10:47] <GaryvdM> Is there a way to tell grep to use single line mode.
[10:47] <GaryvdM> i.e. "." should include \n
[10:47] <GaryvdM> I've read man grep about 3 times and I can't see anything.
[10:48] <Kinnison> grep explicitly operates on lines
[10:48] <GaryvdM> I want to find:  lazy_import.*'''.*bzrlib\.plugins\.qbzr\.lib\.trace.*'''
[10:48] <Kinnison> you can tell by the "...for lines containing a match..." in the first paragraph of the description.
[10:50] <GaryvdM> Is there maybe an alternative to grep that can do that?
[10:53]  * GaryvdM looks if he can use ack...
[10:55] <spiv> Kinnison: I think by "single line" GaryvdM means "as if entire file were a single line", perhaps, so he can search for patterns that span \n.  I'd probably call that "multi-line matching" myself.
[10:56] <spiv> GaryvdM: i.e. you're looking for the equivalent of re.DOTALL in Python's re module?
[10:57] <Kinnison> spiv: yeah, grep doesn't do that
[10:58] <GaryvdM> spiv: yes - re.DOTALL is what I need
[10:59] <GaryvdM> spiv: and that is the same as re.S which in refered to as single line mode in some places.
[10:59] <GaryvdM> http://blog.stevenlevithan.com/archives/singleline-multiline-confusing
[10:59] <GaryvdM> So confusing...
[13:00] <vila> jelmer: ping
[13:41] <vila> jelmer: Ping
[13:46] <jelmer> vila: pong
[15:04] <vila> losa: regarding bug #525571, do you still have some corrupted subversion.conf file around ?
[15:05] <mthaddon> vila: not that I'm aware of
[15:05] <exarkun> doesn't the ticket description describe how to produce one?
[15:05] <exarkun> (and also include one?)
[15:06] <vila> exarkun: there is one mentioned in the bug description but I wonder if it is complete...
[15:07] <exarkun> vila: I'm the reporter.  It is.
[15:07] <vila> exarkun: good to know !
[15:08] <vila> that's very weird that configobj created an *empty* section with the name of an existing one...
[15:09] <vila> I can't imagine  scenario (even with two processes writing to the same file) that could give such a result,
[15:09] <exarkun> Hm yea, that's interesting.
[15:10] <vila> the whole section duplicated, I can, with some efforts :), imagine that both were trying to create the same content, but an empty one...
[18:56] <evanton> is there a tool that would allow me to import revisions from a bzr repo into a subdirectory of another bzr repo? My final goal is to join a lot of small bzr repos into one, where each small repo will be a directory in the big repo
[18:57] <evanton> basically I want to give as arguments small repo location, new big repo location, directory name and let the tool pull revisions one by one and add them to the custom directory in the big repo
[19:09] <beuno> evanton, so, the opposite of that would be to use "bzr split", which I think is in bzrtools
[19:10] <beuno> I'd expect there to be an equivalent
[19:11] <fullermd> It's in base, not bzrtools.
[19:11] <fullermd> And the command is 'join'.
[19:11] <fullermd> It's essential the equivalent of merge + move the root of the merged tree.
[19:23] <beuno> I am so outdated...
[20:05] <jmlxx> Hi All!
[20:06] <jmlxx> anybody have any info/insight as to why Bazaar Explorer wont launch on Win7 x86 platform?
[20:06] <jmlxx> using the default settings during install, i get an error when trying to launch the program "Unable to execute file: BZR - Create Process failed; code 2, The system cannot find the specified file"
[20:09] <jmlxx> anyone??
[20:51] <VSpike> heya. bzr just threw and exception on me during a push by sftp.  The last line (more or less) was SSHException: Server connection dropped:
[20:52] <VSpike> It asks me to file a bug report, but it seems to me that this is probably normal?
[20:53] <VSpike> ALso, what's the best way to recover? Just bzr break-lock and repeat the push?
[20:56] <lifeless> VSpike: yes
[20:57] <lifeless> VSpike: uhm sounds like an error case we aren't explicitly handling yet - could you please file that bug, we'll make it prettier when it happens.
[20:57] <VSpike> okie doke
[20:57] <VSpike> does that answer still apply if I mention I'm running the cygwin version? ;)
[20:57] <lifeless> yes
[21:01] <VSpike> Looks like Bug #386036 to me
[21:03] <lifeless> wah yes
[21:03] <lifeless> you could me-too it
[21:04] <VSpike> Done :)
[21:50] <VSpike> http://pastebin.com/Zm9D0Umg
[21:50] <VSpike> Any ideas what to do about this error?
[22:34] <VSpike> Hmm keep getting same error (apart from file names) when I repeat the attempt
[22:40] <maxb> VSpike: about the only thing I can think to check is file permissions on the repository
[22:45] <VSpike> maxb: the permissions look ok.  I can see the files in /.bzr/repository/upload that are still there.  Interestingly, the destination file that it wants to rename to in ../packs/ already exists
[22:45] <VSpike> perhaps that's why it cant rename the file?
[22:48] <maxb> sounds entirely plausible
[23:25] <VSpike> Aha. Bug 516179


[04:57] <fibz_> anyone know the location of that xscreensaver test pattern image with the burning screen in the middle?


[06:42] <diwic> k
[08:31]  * apw yawns
[08:32] <smb> apw, You not hearing our abuse of you is less fun
[08:33] <smb> apw, we can hear you but you not us
[09:15] <ppisati> brb
[11:26] <ogra_> were there changes to sound stuff in teh recent precise kernel upload ?
[11:27] <ogra_> seems the last upgrade forcefully switched my soundblaster card to SPDIF out which you can only disable in alsamixer
[11:28] <ogra_> (and there were no other sound related packages in that upgrade)
[11:28] <ogra_> diwic, ^^^
[11:29] <diwic> ogra_, no idea
[11:29] <ogra_> do you know anything about that ? i see people on the ubuntu-users ML that seem to have lost sound as well with the latest upgrade
[11:29] <ogra_> alsamixer -D hw:0 and muting SPDIF makes everything work fine again
[11:30] <diwic> ogra_, is that applicable to the people complaining in ubuntu-users too?
[11:31] <ogra_> just sent a mail asking that
[11:31] <ogra_> but its suspicious since its the same update
[11:32] <diwic> ogra_, there are more often than not *some* sound change for *some* sound hardware
[11:32] <diwic> in any kernel update
[11:33] <diwic> ogra_, looking at the recent alsa/PA bugs in launchpad, I don't see a storm of disabled sound or so
[11:33] <diwic> ogra_, at least not more than I would expect just after a release.
[11:34] <henrix> ogra_: changelog for last upload points to at least 4 alsa-related commits: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.2.0-32.51
[11:34] <ogra_> diwic, precise :)
[11:35] <diwic> ogra_, i e looking at all bugs regardless of release
[11:37] <ogra_> ALSA: hda - don't create dysfunctional mixer controls for ca0132
[11:37] <ogra_> my soundblaster uses a ca0106 though
[11:37] <ogra_> but removing controls can surely cause issues with the state file
[11:38] <henrix> looks suspicious indeed.  would you like me to prepare a test kernel reverting that commit?
[11:40]  * henrix -> lunch
[11:41] <infinity> henrix: Looks like shankbot isn't automagically creating linux-lts-quantal tracking bugs from quantal-proposed uploads.
[11:41] <henrix> infinity: yes, there's something wrong going on
[11:41] <infinity> henrix: (The followup to that would be "when will I see an lts-quantal in the PPA for precise, matching the current quantal SRU?)
[11:42] <henrix> infinity: last week we've made a few mods to the bot to include quantal and something's missing
[11:42] <henrix> infinity: the bot is actually crashing...
[11:42] <infinity> henrix: Kay.  I was just guessing that the bot's failure to create the bug may also be why I don't see an upload. ;)
[11:42] <ogra_> henrix, well, i dont know if i can go back to the broken state now that it is fixed
[11:43] <henrix> infinity: thanks for the heads up.
[11:44] <henrix> ogra_: a reboot doesn't bring you back to the broken state?
[11:44] <infinity> henrix: Can I assume I'll see an lts-quantal "soon" for the -18- ABI, and I can just reject Tim's -17- upload to -proposed, rather than bother putting it through the process?
[11:44] <infinity> henrix: Doesn't seem to make sense to waste time on it, if a new one's happening.
[11:45] <henrix> infinity: yes, we'll have the -18. it's just a matter of creating the tracking bug.
[11:45] <henrix> infinity: i expect to have it uploaded during today
[11:46]  * henrix -> lunch (now for real!)
[11:47] <infinity> henrix: Cheers.  Rejecting -17- then.  Happy lunching.
[11:48] <infinity> ogasawara: Rejecting that -17- lts-quantal in -proposed, as henrix has promised me a -18- in the PPA soon.  Don't panic. ;)
[12:09] <rtg> apw, any idea why the LTS kernel and meta packages are getting rejected ?
[12:14]  * apw checks
[12:14] <xnox> rtg: apw: "12:48 <infinity> ogasawara: Rejecting that -17- lts-quantal in -proposed, as henrix has promised me a -18- in the PPA soon.  Don't panic. ;)"
[12:14] <xnox> ?!
[12:14] <apw> oh i see, just an old one
[12:16] <rtg> hmm, thats one of the problems with the archive queue. there is generally no indication of why a package was rejected if you don't happen to be on IRC when it happens.
[12:16] <apw> rtg, no indeed.  they complain about that too, the lack of an audit trail
[12:21] <rtg> apw, I'm wondering if a pocket copy works without a previous source package already in the archive.
[12:21] <apw> rtg, from a PPA you mean ?
[12:21] <rtg> apw, right
[12:22] <apw> should do in broad terms
[12:24] <rtg> biab
[12:33] <infinity> Bah, I missed rtg's drive-by whining.
[12:34] <infinity> apw: When he comes back, assure him that, yes, the copy will work fine, insomuch as I'll be babysitting it. :P
[12:39] <apw> heh, will do
[12:42] <apw> infinity, do we need a session for your 'clean old kernels' blueprint ?
[12:43] <infinity> apw: No, I thought I explicitly didn't target it to UDS?
[13:05] <apw> infinity, indeed, but as most people who do that are doing it wrong and do want one, i was just checking
[13:38] <rtg> jjohansen, I don't see an upstream fix for the patch in bug #1056078
[13:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056078 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "freeing apparmor profiles cause irq stack overflow" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056078
[14:13] <ogasawara> rtg: I was going to rebase raring to v3.7-rc2 if you haven't started that already
[14:15] <ogasawara> rtg: nm, seems you have beat me to it
[14:17] <rtg> ogasawara, early bird and all that...
[14:18] <rtg> ogasawara, I'm going to have to bisect the UBUNTU patches. vanilla -rc2 works, raring falls over and dies quite early.
[14:20] <ogasawara> rtg: it looks like raring is missing a few patches, eg apw's packaging bits for signed kernels, misc config tweaks like TIDSPBRIDGE=m.  do you remember the last quantal version you looked at to sync patches over?
[14:21] <rtg> ogasawara, I tags the last checkpoint in Quantal
[14:21] <rtg> s/tags/tagged/
[14:21] <ogasawara> rtg: perfect, I'll work from there then and pull stuff over
[14:43] <abogani> BenC: ping
[14:43] <BenC> abogani: aye
[14:43] <abogani> BenC: Hi, sorry for disturb.
[14:43] <abogani> Are there cheap PowerPC based development board?
[14:44] <BenC> abogani: Depends on how you define cheap…if you mean something Raspberry Pi like, then no
[14:44] <BenC> I've seen some for around $500 USD though
[14:46] <BenC> abogani: http://www.phytec.com/products/rdk/PowerPC/index.html has a few
[14:46] <abogani> BenC: Ok, thanks
[15:10] <apw> ogasawara, cool let me know when you are sync'd and i'll test the signed bits
[15:19] <ogasawara> apw: ack
[15:19] <jsalisbury> rtg, I noticed the raring repo on tangerine is missing the debian and debian.master directories.
[15:20] <apw> jsalisbury, that is master right ?
[15:20] <apw> jsalisbury, we have not uploaded it yet so master is 'wrong' at present
[15:20] <jsalisbury> apw, ahh, ok.
[15:20] <BenC> abogani: Here's something sub-$200 but it's really light on CPU speed: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC5125
[15:21] <jsalisbury> apw, is there a repo somewhere I can pull to build a test kernel?
[15:21] <jsalisbury> apw, raring repo
[15:21] <apw> jsalisbury, master-next is fine
[15:21] <jsalisbury> apw, ack, thanks
[15:21] <apw> jsalisbury, that said, rtg is having trouble booting it
[15:22] <jsalisbury> apw, ok.
[15:24] <rtg> jsalisbury, vanilla -rc2 seems to work, though its _really_ slow on my Lenovo
[15:25] <jsalisbury> rtg, ok.  I can do some testing of rc2 as well.  I'm also going to build a raring test kernel for bug 339752
[15:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 339752 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO=y causes slow/stuttering printing through parallel port" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339752
[15:55]  * ppisati -> gym
[16:08]  * ppisati -> out for real now
[16:38] <jjohansen> rtg: yes, the patch I was working on to replace it had some issues, and fixing them made it rather large and intrusive.  So I am going to try pushing the patch we have now for RC3 despite it violating the kref api, and see how it goes
[16:39] <rtg> jjohansen, oh, I can just imagine how well that'll go over
[16:39] <jjohansen> yeah I had wanted to avoid it :/
[17:38] <arges> hi does anyone know where I can download the 3.2.0-33.52 precise-proposed linux-image .deb files? thanks
[17:39] <henrix> arges: here: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/3913424/+files/linux-image-3.2.0-33-generic_3.2.0-33.52_amd64.deb
[17:45]  * henrix -> EOD
[17:55] <rtg> ogasawara, found the break fix and pushed: Revert "UBUNTU: SAUCE: acpi battery -- move first lookup asynchronous". It was kind of difficult to trigger which is why its taken all morning to pin it down.
[17:56] <ogasawara> rtg: ack, I'll rebase and push the patches I've pulled over.  just finishing a test build.
[17:57]  * rtg -> lunch
[17:58] <bryce> jsalisbury, bug #978968 has an upstream kernel patch that looks good to go for precise, but needs a .deb built for getting user verification.  I've popped it into the handoff graphics queue.
[17:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 978968 in linux (Ubuntu) "[IGDgm] False GPU lockup EIR: 0x00000010 PGTBL_ER: 0x00010000 render.IPEHR: 0x01000000 - while using matlab" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/978968
[17:58] <jsalisbury> bryce, ack.  I can build a test kernel
[20:29] <rtg> bjf, what is your opinion of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2012-October/022372.html ? I'd like to get it out of my INBOX one way or another.
[20:36] <bjf> rtg, i'm ok with it, go ahead and add my ack
[20:36] <rtg> bjf, ack
[21:03]  * rtg is EOD


 looking for help with audio issues (no sound through speakers) on my Samsung Notebook 9 Pro (https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/windows-laptops/notebook-series-9/notebook-9-pro-np930mbe-k04us/), after installing Kubuntu 19.04 (first linux install on this system).  I have gone through all standard settings, mute, etc.  I believe this is a hardware related issue, as the 2-in-1 comes with two audio interfaces (Intel HD and Realtek ALC
 kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel … kernel modules: snd_hda_intel, snd_soc_skl … Codec: Realtek ALC298 … Codec: Intel Kabylake HDMI
 Multimedia audio controller [401]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:9dc8] (rev 11)
 bluetooth audio does work, but I understand that is separate to onboard sound.  Just mentioning as I do have a workaround.
[07:57] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:22] <yuradoc> hello, how to resove that bootstrap time: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yBpyyjfCdj/
[10:23] <yuradoc> i'm tired read and try a lot of topics, too much restarts...
[10:35] <lordievader> yuradoc: What is the output of `systemd-analyze blame`?
[10:40] <yuradoc> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yPVjsBW9Vg/
[10:44] <markus_d> How would I start dolphin as root? kdesu is not working
[10:45] <runnicd> markus_d: I tried running Dolphin as root too with no success. The only way was to install another file manager (like pcmanfm or thunar) and running them as root.
[10:48] <BluesKaj_> hey folks
[10:52] <markus_d> Those filemanagers are not kde :(
[10:52] <markus_d> Will try krusader then
[10:52] <runnicd> markus_d: they're not kde, but if you want a qt based file manager at least, try pcmanfm-qt
[12:48] <githano> hi all
[13:14] <yuradoc> hello, how to resove that bootstrap time: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yBpyyjfCdj/
[13:14] <yuradoc> systemd-analyze blame https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yPVjsBW9Vg/
[13:47] <mia> Hello there channel
[13:48] <mia> I just installed kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu, and wondering if that'd work the same way with kubuntu itself
[13:48] <mia> I like kde but I've installed (and using) regular (gnome) ubuntu for quite some time
[13:48] <mia> and I don't want to make a reinstallation of the whole system only to change the desktop
[13:49] <yuradoc> ok, after i did disable sendmail https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yh6BtH87k9/
[13:49] <yuradoc> now mysql
[13:50] <yuradoc> again it's seemsed to me the problem with NetworkManager.service
[13:52] <yuradoc> can NetworkManager load after everithing
[13:53] <yuradoc> why mysql need that...
[14:16] <viewer|23> Hello. I tried to install Kubuntu the other day. I'm used to Ubuntu and later on Linux Mint. If I installed those I would just make some empty space in the hdd using gparted. Run the installer and it would make a partition for itself and set the dual boot option. It seemed like the Kubuntu installer is not doing this? Or am I not getting something.
[14:16] <viewer|23>  I stopped the install because I was afraid it would not dual boot with Windows.
[14:27] <BluesKaj_> viewer|23, the same installer is used for both ubuntu and kubuntu, they should behave the same way during installation
[14:29] <viewer|23> BluesKaj_ Yeah I would think so.
[14:30] <viewer|23> I'll try again when I'm there. It's a new pc. So I just bring a stick with windows as well for when mess up.
[19:24] <qwebirc59665> Is minidlna running by default? I just noticed that my computer is sharing stuff with my TV, even though I never activated minidlnad to my knowledge
[19:55] <qwebirc54261> Okay so.. apparently installing digikam automatically generated a minidlna systemd unit and activated it without asking me. Is this intended behaviour?


[23:22] <bcurtiswx> maco, would you ping me plz
[23:22] <maco> bcurtiswx: ping
[23:22] <bcurtiswx> thx, i hate empathy with a passion right now
[23:22] <maco> heheh
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> whats the echo command in C
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> just echo?
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> im in an empathy routine and i'm trying to add echo checks to see where I get in the function
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> its a .c file
[23:46] <maco> printf
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> dammit all
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> duh


[14:33] <Lasall> hi, is there a graph/statistic about the difference of debian and ubuntu package archive (e.g. unmodified packages from debian, new ubuntu packages, etc.)? i remember a graph but don't find it any more :( .
[14:34] <tumbleweed> Lasall: look on merges.ubuntu.com
[14:34] <Lasall> yeah, thank you tumbleweed :)
[23:49] <gotwig_> hey, can you help me a bit with packaging?


[06:00] <Grangalo[m]> <OvenWerks "you need a registered nick to us"> Where should I register?
[06:01]  * Grangalo[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sxrRUoHOVUMuzZqghskHxfoO/message.txt >
[06:04] <OvenWerks> Grangalo[m]: freenode: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
[06:05] <rgh> On matrix it's a bit more involved.
[06:06] <OvenWerks> rgh :)
[06:06] <OvenWerks> rgh can you register on irc and then just use  matrix?
[06:06] <rgh> https://matrix-org.github.io/matrix-appservice-irc/latest/usage.html
[06:07] <rgh> But you got to link your matrix nick to the irc nick. Something like that.
[06:07] <rgh> I did it onxe, many moons ago.
[06:08] <rgh> Also keep in mind that if you log into irc via matrix, you're always logged in, so you can't log in with another irc client.
[14:17] <sirriffsalot> Supposing I have disk image that I cloned with dd a while back, and now I want to paste it back into the disk and see if it works, what would the dd-command be?


[11:39] <Opcode90> I believe I found myself banned from Ubuntu-Offtopic
[11:39] <ikonia> oh
[11:39] <Opcode90> let me double check
[11:39] <ikonia> any idea why ?
[11:40] <Opcode90> yes it says address is banned
[11:40] <ikonia> any idea why ?
[11:40] <Opcode90> not sure i do use kire net
[11:41] <Opcode90> but i think my particular address should be separate from others
[11:41] <ikonia> let me have a look
[11:41] <Opcode90> ty
[11:42] <ikonia> Opcode90: ok - you got banned as it appears you joined ubuntu-offtopic on december the 10th and ended up being pretty rude to people
[11:42] <ikonia> for example
 Chu go suck Seenodes, dick while phunyguy goes down on Glorfindel, genii
[11:42] <Opcode90> yeah that must have been the room, yup
[11:43] <ikonia> must have beenthe room ?
[11:43] <Opcode90> sorry i have a tolerance level to
[11:43] <Opcode90> was my first visit i think
[11:43] <ikonia> what do you mean ?
[11:44] <Opcode90> well when people get smart, i was only smart at the end
[11:44] <ikonia> it would appear not
[11:44] <ikonia> according to the log you where warned earlier to read the guidelines
[11:44] <ikonia> and then given them spefcially
[11:44] <Opcode90> so may I ask
[11:45] <Opcode90> is it permanent.
[11:45] <ikonia> no no , of course not
[11:45] <ikonia> have a read of these (and this time actually read them please )
[11:45] <ikonia> !guidelines | Opcode90
[11:45] <Opcode90> maybe you could sum it up for me
[11:45] <Opcode90> 90 days?
[11:45] <ikonia> no no
[11:46] <ikonia> read the guidelines on how to use the channel
[11:46] <ikonia> if you're confident you've understood them, and think you can follow them, I'll remove the ban for you
[11:46] <Opcode90> as you wish
[11:46] <ikonia> but make sure you've actually read them and understood them
[11:46] <ikonia> any questions just ask
[11:46] <ikonia> once you're happy with that, I'll remove the ban for you
[11:46] <Opcode90> ill read them now
[11:46] <ikonia> perfect
[11:51] <Opcode90> I think I may have abused some bots
[11:51] <ikonia> doesn't look like it very much
[11:51] <Opcode90> hum
[11:51] <ikonia> personal tip if you want to use #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:52] <Opcode90> THen maybe just some condescending people, with the label admin
[11:52] <ikonia> don't try so hard to be "cool linux guy" just join in conversations and try to participate, rather than just monologue your tales
[11:52] <ikonia> ok - you're not getting it
[11:52] <ikonia> no-one was condesecnding to you - they just didn't care of have interest in what you whre saying
[11:52] <ikonia> it's an offtopic and you appeared to be trying super hard to show how much "mr linux" you are
[11:53] <ikonia> it's that simple,
[11:53] <Opcode90> Hum, so if you can't be off topic in and off topic room
[11:53] <Opcode90> or talk generaly about pc's
[11:53] <ikonia> you can be offtopic, thats what it's there for
[11:53] <Opcode90> is there some special place.
[11:53] <ikonia> and of course you can talk about whatever you want within the guidelines you've hopefully read
[11:54] <ikonia> do you think you're comfortable with the guidelines in #ubuntu-offtopic now ?
[11:54] <Opcode90> I assure you I am not Mr Linux, I may have mentioned trying different services like AWS Amazon and Digital ocean.
[11:55] <Opcode90> I think I'm as comfortable as I will ever get at this momment.
[11:55] <ikonia> do you want me to remove the ban and you can give it a try ?
[11:56] <Opcode90> That is what I came her for, yes please.
[11:56] <ikonia> one moment then please
[11:56] <Opcode90> I have a deep appreciation for ubuntu, server in particular.
[11:56] <ikonia> what does that matter ?
[11:57] <Opcode90> YES EXACTLY IF ITS OFFTOPIC
[11:57] <ikonia> you've not grasped the guidelines, eg: not typing in caps
[11:57] <Opcode90> It would only matter if you were amoung like thinkers.
[11:57] <ikonia> what ??
[11:57] <Opcode90> thats an accident i rarely use the notebook
[11:58] <Opcode90> the keys are different.
[11:58] <Opcode90> I immediatly took them off.
[11:58] <ikonia> at least be honest
[11:58] <Opcode90> That is the one thing you can always count on me.
[11:58] <ikonia> look I've removed the ban for you - please pay attention to the guidelines you've just read, anything you're unsure about, just ask
[11:58] <Opcode90> I never lie.
[11:59] <ikonia> your credibility is falling, prove me wrong by using #ubuntu-offtopic well
[11:59] <Opcode90> I wash punished serverly as a child for lying, its very difficult for me to lie.
[11:59] <ikonia> ok, so I think you're sorted here,
[11:59] <ikonia> if you /part this channel and join #ubuntu-offtopic you should be good to goo
[11:59] <ikonia> go
[12:00] <Opcode90> ty Ikonia, i have real work to do now, but soon perhaps, maybe tommorrow
[12:00] <Opcode90> i run a dog grooming business and boarding
[12:01] <Opcode90> i have animals to care for
[12:01] <ikonia> "ok" ?
[12:01] <ikonia> off you go then
[12:01] <Opcode90> and about 5 customers to meet in 2 hours
[12:01] <Opcode90> yup
[12:02] <Opcode90> when i said i was punishes severly for lying it was my first and last time
[12:02] <ikonia> I don't care
[12:02] <Opcode90> there was no continuation
[12:03] <ikonia> please /part this channel, and you're free to use #ubuntu-offtopic when ever you want
[12:03] <Opcode90> i will now part, you wont miss me even a little?
[12:03] <ikonia> bye
[12:03] <Opcode90> your problem child.
[12:04] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops opcode90 removed ban - for some reason continued to push issue, last comment was enough, put ban back, he can use another channel
[12:06] <ikonia> notified him by pm
[13:48] <ZarroBoogs> FYI: http://status.linode.com/incidents/0x3l5z42qhqs
[13:48] <ZarroBoogs> as soon as I can get back on my linodes, I'll make sure that ubottu & friends are back up.
[16:17] <MikeRL> Just got a spam flood from some user called nev_er.
[16:17] <MikeRL> Trying to convert me to a religion.
[16:18] <MikeRL> Either they contacted the wrong person, or they are a bot.
[16:18] <MikeRL> I dunno, but I logged in to get a flood of PMs.
[16:22] <ikonia> got it
[16:22] <ikonia> thanks
[16:23] <MikeRL> Is this guy messaging the wrong person, or a bot?
[16:23] <ikonia> it's just a bot, it's been doing it for different
[16:23] <ikonia> different nicks
[16:23] <ikonia> don't worry about it,
[19:47] <ancaemanuel> hi
[19:52] <ancaemanuel> the user beyond_help is spamming #ubuntu-devel channel with repeated messages


[00:54] <coz_> hey guys... has lucid's wallpaper options been fixed in maverick?
[00:59] <coz_> is there a hash for maverick iso?
[11:18] <drdozer> Hi - I updated to Merecat 2 days ago
[11:18] <drdozer> it went very well
[11:18] <drdozer> except, if the screensaver comes on, I can't get back into kde
[12:19] <coz_> hey guys... so far on maveick the wallpaper options are still not working... is this planned to be fixed??
[12:20] <Crashbit> coz_: working correctly for me
[12:21] <coz_> Crashbit,  I meant on dual monitor systems
[12:22] <Crashbit> I have only one monitor
[12:22] <coz_> Crashbit,  yes on single monitor they sort of pretend to work :)  but on dual monitors they dont work at all
[16:07] <Daekdroom> !daily
[19:29] <DrHalan1> hey
[19:29] <DrHalan1> i still have nouveau booting instead of nivdia-current
[19:31] <BUGabundo> $ acpi -t
[19:31] <BUGabundo> Thermal 0: ok, 76.0 degrees C
[19:31] <BUGabundo> I bet my CPU is throtling now
[19:32] <BUGabundo> that why its soooo slow
[19:34] <DrHalan1> can i somehow remove the novueau kernel module to prevent it from being loaded?
[19:34] <DrHalan1> it is already blacklisted..
[19:50] <bjsnider> DrHalan1, make sure the nvidia driver is listed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:55] <DrHalan> bjsinsider i've run the nvidia-xconfig thing so it should..
[21:00] <DrHalan> mh doesn't hlep
[21:00] <DrHalan> i think the problem is not the xorg-conf but the kernel loading nouveau
[21:02] <Volkodav> http://pastie.org/1030372  does that look like the disk is dying ?
[21:04] <bjsnider> Volkodav, why not look in the palimpsest utility? system>administration>disk utility
[21:04] <bjsnider> that gives you the smart data
[21:04] <Volkodav> makes sense
[21:04] <Volkodav> it keeps unmounting this sucker
[21:07] <Volkodav> smart says it has a few bad blocks - same as xfs utilities
[21:07] <DrHalan> "modprobe nvidia" tells me "nvidia not found "
[21:07] <DrHalan> am i missing a kernel module?
[21:08] <Volkodav> i guess it is going down - f@#$ng Western Digital piece of shit - the 4 th drive is dying on me with a year
[21:08] <bjsnider> possibly
[21:08] <bjsnider> DrHalan, run the command: dkms status
[21:08] <DrHalan> nvidia-current, 256.35, 2.6.35-6-generic, x86_64: installed
[21:08] <DrHalan> looks fine..
[21:08] <bjsnider> check this:
[21:08] <DrHalan> or maybe jockey is broken and jsut tellls me its not activated..
[21:09] <bjsnider> cat /lib/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf
[21:09] <DrHalan> but i have kms so i must just noveau
[21:09] <DrHalan> blacklist nouveau
[21:09] <DrHalan> blacklist lbm-nouveau
[21:09] <DrHalan> blacklist nvidia-173
[21:09] <DrHalan> blacklist nvidia-96
[21:09] <DrHalan> that looks fine too..
[21:09] <DrHalan> what video cards are supported by the newest driver?
[21:09] <bjsnider> cat /usr/lib/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf
[21:09] <DrHalan> i have a GeForce 7900 GT
[21:10] <bjsnider> that is supported
[21:10] <DrHalan> says: alias nvidia nvidia-current
[21:10] <bjsnider> put that in the other file too
[21:10] <DrHalan> alright
[21:10] <DrHalan> does taht set the name for the kernel module?
[21:10] <bjsnider> sudo echo "alias nvidia nvidia-current" >> /lib/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf
[21:11] <bjsnider> it means the nvidia-current module is also going to be called nvidia
[21:11] <DrHalan> it says permission denied
[21:11] <DrHalan> ill use gedit
[21:12] <DrHalan> okay i guess i have to reboot
[21:12] <bjsnider> try the modprobe command now
[21:12] <DrHalan> oh okay it didn't output anything so i guessed it worked
[21:12] <bjsnider> it did
[21:12] <DrHalan> if i restart now will it default to nvidia?
[21:13] <bjsnider> it will
[21:13] <bjsnider> very much so
[21:13] <DrHalan> okay ill try that
[21:13] <DrHalan> thank you very much :)
[21:20] <DrHalan> jockey still says that nvidia-current isn't used but according to the logfile it is


[14:03] <abin> who can introduce  me a easy-use IRC client. i am using chatzilla
[14:08] <jpds> !irc | abin
[14:08] <ubot2> abin: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[14:37] <Nry> try
[15:32] <oldsilverbeard> does anyone know of any classes being held today?
[15:32] <pleia2> oldsilverbeard: the next class is on the 14th
[15:32]  * pleia2 points to /topic
[15:34] <oldsilverbeard> the patch+systems and packaging ... kool <yes...i'm learning :-) >
[15:34] <pleia2> :)
[15:35] <oldsilverbeard> well pleia2...i guess i'm out of here...i'll be back on the 14th.  thanks for listening!
[22:46] <xmetalcorex> hello
[22:46] <xmetalcorex> can some help me
[22:57] <Shriram> xmetalcorex: yes what is your question?
[22:59] <xmetalcorex> i have two partition of hard disk
[22:59] <xmetalcorex> when i click to open it he show me cannot mount volume
[23:00] <xmetalcorex> details
[23:06] <xmetalcorex> SHriram i with for u


[00:33] <mhall119> jcastro: any idea why django wouldn't be able to connect to postgres when db-relation-changed is called, but can connect after that?
[00:34] <mhall119> I'm getting the right username and password now
[00:35] <mhall119> and I can ssh into the django unit and manually run the manage.py commands from there and they connect to postgres just fine
[00:35] <mhall119> but running the same commands inside the db-relation-changed hook and they fail
[00:37] <mhall119> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1003969/ is my db-relation-changed hook
[01:06] <hazmat> mhall119, what's the output?
[01:09] <koolhead17> SpamapS, ping
[01:12] <mhall119> hazmat: output of which?
[01:17] <mhall119> hmm, ok, it looks like postgresql's db-relation-joined creates the user account, then passes the login info to summit's db-relation-changed which tries to connect and failed, then postgresql's db-relation-changed actually gives the summit unit access to connect with those credentials
[01:18] <mhall119> so I need to run summit's db initialization calls *after* postgresql's db-relation-changed hook, not before, how do I do that?
[01:18] <mhall119> hazmat: jcastro ^^ any ideas for me?
[01:19] <hazmat> mhall119, output of the db-rel-change hook
[01:19] <mhall119> hazmat: see above, I seen what's happening now
[01:19] <hazmat> gotcha
[01:20] <hazmat> mhall119, i'd fix postgres charm to not put the into into the rel till its ready to be used
[01:20] <hazmat> that sounds like the fundamental issue
[01:20] <hazmat> its telling other things about accounts to use, that its not ready to accept
[01:20] <mhall119> what's the difference between -joined and -changed for hooks?
[01:21] <hazmat> mhall119, joined is executed when a remote/related unit is first seen (for each remote unit).. changed is execute after join, and after a remote unit changes its settings
[01:22] <mhall119> so really postgres should be giving access from the remote unit during it's -joined hook, not it's -changed
[01:23] <mhall119> unless there's something in my summit charm that would be called after -changed on postgresql
[01:23] <hazmat> mhall119, well.. have you verified/echo'd the username/password.. they might not be set the first time the summit's changed hook is invoked?
[01:23] <hazmat> yeah.. you are..
[01:23]  * hazmat read the hook again
[01:24] <mhall119> hazmat: yeah, they get into the juju_settings.py
[01:24] <hazmat> hmm.. so the problem seems to be
[01:24] <hazmat> http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/postgresql/hooks/db-relation-joined
[01:24] <mhall119> but postgres has pg_hda.conf or whatever that acts like a firewall, and until that allows my summit unit access it can't run syncdb or migrate
[01:24] <hazmat> creates the user
[01:25] <hazmat> but it waits till changed to give net access
[01:25] <hazmat> http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/postgresql/hooks/db-relation-changed
[01:25] <hazmat> which is decidedly odd imo
[01:25] <hazmat> and a bug
[01:27] <hazmat> and it should be reloading instead of restarting sighup style
[01:28] <hazmat> alternatively it should set some sentinel value on the rel
[01:28] <hazmat> that the creds are really usable
[01:28] <hazmat> hmm.. ic
[01:28] <hazmat> this wants an ip dance
[01:29] <hazmat> oh.. it used to, yeah.. this is just odd
[01:29] <mhall119> I'll ask m_3 in the morning, it looks like he is the original author
[01:38] <hazmat> mhall119, try using this postgresql charm.. juju deploy cs:~hazmat/precise/postgresql
[01:38] <hazmat> i fixed it to give the access in db-relation-joined
[01:40] <mhall119> hazmat: running now, I'll let you know
[01:40] <hazmat> its at lp:~hazmat/charms/precise/postgresql/trunk is the store hasn't bundled it yet
[01:52] <mhall119> 2012-05-23 21:52:31,555 unit:postgresql/0: hook.output ERROR: /var/lib/juju/units/postgresql-0/charm/hooks/db-relation-joined: line 41: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[01:52] <mhall119> /var/lib/juju/units/postgresql-0/charm/hooks/db-relation-joined: line 41: `  echo "host $(get_database_name) ${user} ${remote_host}/32 md5" >> '
[01:55] <mhall119> hazmat: ^^
[01:56] <hazmat> ugh.. copy n paste error
[01:57] <hazmat> mhall119, fixed in new rev
[02:35] <mhall119> 2012-05-23 22:34:46,010 unit:postgresql/0: hook.output ERROR: /var/lib/juju/units/postgresql-0/charm/hooks/db-relation-joined: line 57: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[02:35] <mhall119> hazmat: ^^
[02:50] <surgemcgee157> Need to find me lucky charms. Also, has anyone found a "user freindly" way of putting config file on the server with juju?
[02:51] <surgemcgee157> Or must they be packaged with the content repo and moved around with the charm.
[02:55] <surgemcgee157> ohh ya, charm name --> golden-crisp
[03:48] <koolhead17> i wish we could use juju 4 trystack
[04:21] <SpamapS> koolhead17: why can' we?
[04:21] <SpamapS> koolhead17: no S3?
[04:22] <koolhead17> SpamapS, trystack account is cool. we can easily provision and show demo up and running
[04:23] <koolhead17> SpamapS, https://trystack.org/ a testbed for openstack
[04:23] <SpamapS> koolhead17: I know what trystack is
[04:24] <SpamapS> koolhead17: why can't we use it?
[04:24] <koolhead17> SpamapS, so we can use it? waoo
[04:24] <SpamapS> koolhead17: I don't know!
[04:24] <SpamapS> koolhead17: you said we can't
[04:24] <SpamapS> I'm asking why you say hat
[04:24] <SpamapS> that rather
[04:24] <SpamapS> koolhead17: if they expose S3 and EC2, we can use them today
[04:25] <koolhead17> SpamapS, well let me ask the guys maintaining it.
[04:25] <koolhead17> HP folks i suppose
[04:26] <SpamapS> koolhead17: I believe there are two regions and they are both somewhat different
[04:26] <SpamapS> anyway, I'm out
[04:26] <koolhead17> SpamapS, will keep you updated. laters
[04:35] <hazmat> mhall119, there's a new version up if you want to give it another whirl... :-(
[04:35] <hazmat> SpamapS, trystack has no storage
[04:35] <hazmat> at least not of lastweek
[04:36] <koolhead17> hazmat, your correct its just compute node
[04:41] <hazmat> i'm out as well
[12:08] <vrturbo> I've been trying an openstack deployment using MAAS server and juju charms, I've spent the last 3 days trying to get it to work and there is alway something within openstack that doesn't work
[12:09] <vrturbo> any one had any success with openstack deployed via juju ?
[12:18] <victorp> jcastro, jamespage, trying to transfer a css file to a wordpress instance as part of a charm, but cant find how to do it. Can you point me to somewhere that gives example/how to?
[12:19] <victorp> I would like not to have to upload the css file to a repo or something, but to bundle it in
[12:19] <victorp> the charm
[12:36] <m_3> mhall119: hey... so the db-relation-changed in pg... remove the netmask from the hba config.  The real fix is for the charm to make sure it's always using ip... this has been a pain b/c it's switched back and forth between dns name and ip addr w/ netmask
[12:39] <mhall119> m_3: my problem was that the pg_hba settings weren't being set until *after* my summit charm was trying to run syncdb against it
[12:40] <m_3> mhall119: ah... yeah just move it to joined then
[12:40] <m_3> mhall119: the orig thinking was that you exposed the db _after_ it was sufficiently created by the changed cycles
[12:41] <m_3> mhall119: but understand the need
[12:43] <mhall119> m_3: I believe that's what hazmat has done, so you'll just need to merge his changes
[12:44] <m_3> mhall119: sorry pg still needs some tlc... it's been on the list but below the pain-threshold :)
[12:44] <m_3> mhall119: needs pg9 replication too
[13:10] <jcastro> victorp: if you include it as part of the charm the entire charm gets copied over
[13:11] <jcastro> so you can stick it in like /stuff or something
[13:11] <jcastro> and then as part of the charm copy it over to the WP dir
[13:16] <mhall119> jcastro: hey, if I'm generating an admin password for Summit, how do I let the deployer know what it is?
[13:18] <jcastro> mhall119: http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/limesurvey
[13:18] <jcastro> you can make a default
[13:18] <jcastro> and then have a config option to change it
[13:18] <jcastro> (see the end of that readme)
[13:21] <mhall119> jcastro: hmm, default passwords aren't ideal
[13:22] <mhall119> I suppose I should learn config.yaml
[13:22] <jcastro> can you not set one and then just make the user set one via a config option?
[13:22] <mhall119> I don't know, I don't know how the config options work yet
[13:22] <mhall119> I'm currently setting a randomly generated password
[13:22] <jcastro> oh dude, config options are the best!
[13:22] <jcastro> yeah that's fine
[13:22] <jcastro> and then just say "set a password via config"
[13:22] <jcastro> let me show you an example
[13:23] <jcastro> http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/solr/config
[13:24] <jcastro> actually, using limesurvey: http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/limesurvey/config
[13:24] <victorp> jcastro,  thanks
[13:45] <jcastro> SpamapS: ping me when you're around
[13:45] <jcastro> SpamapS: I'm only on for half a day today (leaving for the weekend) and I'd like a quick catch up with my bro
[14:07] <melmoth> Hi there. PLaying with maas and juju to see how it works. I m wondering... How do you guys manage name resolution ?
[14:08] <melmoth> like, i have installed maas-dhcp, i add 2 nodes in maas, i juju bootstrap
[14:08] <melmoth> it will use one of those node, and juju status needs to be able to resolve th ename of this node.
[14:08] <melmoth> i have to guess its name by looking in /var/log/maas (and finding some stuff that looks like ip) untill i found the right ip of the niode
[14:09] <melmoth> and then set it in /etc/hosts before i could juju status. I bet there are more convenient way to do that. no ?
[14:16] <melmoth> hmmm, the maas server itself can resolve the name... I guess the idea is to use this one as a dns then ?
[14:18] <hazmat> melmoth, you have to point juju to the maas server..
[14:18] <melmoth> hmmm. make sense. but does not makes me happy :)
[14:18] <melmoth> the maas server is a kvm vm, juju runs on the hypervisor
[14:19] <melmoth> so maas is actually using the machine juju runs on to resovle names itself.
[14:19] <melmoth> i wonder if there is a way to have specific dns resolution path for a given user...
[14:23] <hazmat> melmoth, so your saying juju on the host can't resolve the vm that maas is running on?
[14:23] <melmoth> not exactly.
[14:24] <melmoth> when i run juju status, juju try to ssh on one of the box i have addedd in maas
[14:24] <melmoth> and this is the box it cannot the name of
[14:24] <hazmat> juju asks maas for the host names
[14:24] <melmoth> well, it should.
[14:24] <melmoth> but it does not here
[14:24] <melmoth> if i remove my entry i added in /etc/hosts, juju status fail
[14:25] <melmoth> 2012-05-24 16:25:19,238 ERROR Invalid host for SSH forwarding: ssh: Could not resolve hostname node-000023560101.local: Name or service not known
[14:25] <hazmat> sounds like your network is setup quite correctly
[14:26] <hazmat> er.. isn't
[14:26] <hazmat> .local is a zeroconf address
[14:26] <melmoth> the actual name is localdomain, i guess this is just a "formating cut"
[14:27] <melmoth> hmmm, funny. on the maas server the domain name is localdomain
[14:27] <melmoth> but frmo my hypervisor, i need to put only local (as it appear in the error message) in /etc/hosts
[14:28] <melmoth> is it a problem if i associate ip with nodes myself directly with cobbler ?
[14:29] <melmoth> this way i could put stuff in /etc/hosts and be sure it s the same once and for all.
[14:29] <vrturbo> reboot the juju zookeeper, mans should fix your problems
[14:30] <vrturbo> then look in /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq {tab} {tab}
[14:30] <vrturbo> also don't use .local breaks stuff
[14:31] <vrturbo> ops replace mans with mdns (stupid auto correct)
[14:32] <vrturbo> or while logged onto your maas server run
[14:33] <vrturbo> tcpdump -npi eth0 not port 22 host {node ip that doesn't resolve}
[14:33] <vrturbo> then reboot the node with dns issues
[14:33] <vrturbo> watch the tcp dump as it comes up
[14:33] <vrturbo> should see some traffic on port 5353
[14:33] <melmoth> it s not a node that has dns issue, its the main hypervisor. If i reboot this one, all the world reboot :)
[14:34] <melmoth> but i ll try to fiddel with cobbler manuall to be sure each node have always the same ip
[14:34] <melmoth> this way, it should works as i want, as long as maas does not fiddle with this itself.
[14:35] <vrturbo> hmm I run maas and juju zookeeper on virtual nodes
[14:36] <vrturbo> didn't want to blow away a full hardware nodes for their services
[14:36] <melmoth> do you run juju on a vm or the hypervisor itself ?
[14:36] <vrturbo> vm
[14:36] <melmoth> ah, ok.. that would be another option
[14:36] <vrturbo> intact you can run juju from any node
[14:37] <vrturbo> but when you boot strap it deploys the zookeeper
[14:37] <vrturbo> without the zookeeper you can't connect to the environment
[14:38] <vrturbo> there an't much doco on MAAS
[14:38] <vrturbo> it's been a big pain for me
[14:39] <vrturbo> dnsmasq + MAAS + cobbler is alittle buggy
[14:39] <vrturbo> I've seen a launchpad blueprint to take cobbler out of the MAAS server, maybe things will be better then
[15:25] <surgemcgee> So many questions...
[15:25] <surgemcgee> What is the url for the entire charm repo? Fill in the blank --> charm getall _____
[15:26] <imbrandon> SpamapS: btw, i dident get my golden-star for the Ubuntu charm idea :)
[15:27] <surgemcgee> Does the above statment mean that my comments are being considerd/noticed? (Not trying to be crass)
[15:28] <surgemcgee> 3--  A clover, haha
[15:41] <jcastro> hmm, "charm getall" used to work didn't it?
[15:42] <jcastro> I distinctly remember a command to snag them all at once
[15:42] <SpamapS> imbrandon: Hah, true.. that was your idea. :)
[15:42] <SpamapS> jcastro: it "works"
[15:42] <SpamapS> but its so bloody slow
[15:42] <SpamapS> I think we may need to maintain a tarball somewhere with all of them so people can wget the whole archive
[15:42] <negronjl> 'morning all
[15:43] <SpamapS> I bet we can maintain that in charm-tools as a download file actually
[15:43] <imbrandon> SpamapS: how ?
[15:43] <imbrandon> the last bit
[15:43] <SpamapS> launchpad has an API for uploading files
[15:43] <jcastro> negronjl: I'm going to assign you a card for the graphs measuring review queue performance if that's ok with you?
[15:43] <imbrandon> ahh ok i got ya, i was thinking actually IN charm-tolols
[15:43] <imbrandon> tools*
[15:44] <negronjl> jcastro:  Sure ... I have some questions when you get a chance re: patch pilot
[15:44] <imbrandon> i see what ya mean though, works kinda like a reverse debian watch ?
[15:44] <jcastro> negronjl: yeah,  mira we should have a quick charmers G+ if we can
[15:44] <negronjl> jcastro:  ok ... invite me
[15:45] <jcastro> SpamapS: imbrandon: you guys got time for a quick pow wow?
[15:45] <imbrandon> yup let me login real fast
[15:46] <imbrandon> been going back and watching all the juju sessions i missed and some i dident as refeshers, good good stuff
[15:47] <jcastro> handy, having the important sessions recorded. :)
[15:48] <imbrandon> yea
[15:48] <imbrandon> would be cool if we could get all of them even if audio only
[15:48] <imbrandon> as i just have them in a minimized browser anyhow ignoring the vid
[15:49] <jcastro> invites sent
[15:49] <surgemcgee> I feel like I've wonderd here. You all going to a hangout?
[15:50] <surgemcgee> surgemcgee has stolen the blue moon!
[15:56] <SpamapS> jcastro: yes b.r.t
[16:01] <SpamapS> jcastro: curses.. something requires a reboot. 2 minutes
[16:10] <hazmat> surgemcgee, why do you want to do charm getall?
[16:58] <imbrandon> SpamapS: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ansible-project/x_0gDQv4co4
[16:58] <imbrandon> SpamapS: thats the email chain i spoke of
[16:58] <SpamapS> right, Ansible
[16:59] <imbrandon> and thats the one wheere i was saying "hey whats next?" he asked
[16:59] <imbrandon> negronjl: ^^
[17:00] <imbrandon> jesus, i think i used all my energy for the rest of the week on that call tho, i seriously think i need to go back to the doc's ( already had one apt since uds )
[17:10] <surgemcgee> I will just grab the ones I need, no biggie. Also, the charms are installing puppet. Shouldn't puppet be installed on the dev client and puppetmaster be used in the install script?
[17:11] <surgemcgee> And is that DNS entry nessessary?
[17:16] <imbrandon> SpamapS: is charm getall smart enough to update the local cs too ?
[17:17] <SpamapS> imbrandon: it will run 'mr update' if it sees a .mrconfig in the dir already
[17:17] <imbrandon> kk
[17:17] <SpamapS> imbrandon: I think it might also run 'charm update' in that case too
[17:17] <imbrandon> that would be helpfull
[17:17] <imbrandon> lol
[17:18] <imbrandon> incase the maint dident inc the rev
[17:18] <imbrandon> i guess
[17:18] <SpamapS> no it just fetches the list again
[17:18] <imbrandon> ahh
[17:18] <SpamapS> so any new charms will get checked out
[17:18] <SpamapS> the whole thing is really crap, just use charm get :)
[17:19] <imbrandon> kk, yea between that and the series , i dont see a need ( well anytime even semi soon but not gonna say never ) for cs instructions
[17:19] <imbrandon> like i thought
[17:20] <imbrandon> SpamapS: crappy but exists > nothing
[17:20] <imbrandon> SpamapS: e.g. my php in enterprise + world theory :)
[18:06] <SpamapS> alright, txzookeeper is in Debian NEW queue.
[18:06] <SpamapS> on to txaws
[18:27] <jkyle> I have a question for juju+maas. Can you declare a specific target for a juju deployed service?
[18:28] <jkyle> For example, say I have a "monitoring services" charm and I want to deploy to a specific class of machine or a specific machine
[18:30] <james_w> jkyle, it sounds constraints are what juju provides for what you are wanting to do
[18:30] <jkyle> cool, I'll search the docs :)
[18:31] <james_w> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/constraints.html
[18:32] <james_w> jkyle, https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/constraints.html#provider-constraints
[18:34] <marcoceppi> jcastro: are we getting rid of this or what? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoW1nhI7IMt3dFRvSFdkZmNqQ0t3RjZ2QTR2Z19teWc#gid=0
[18:36] <jkyle> james_w: I see "orchestra" referred to. I thought that MaaS + Juju was the successor to Orchestra. can you use cobbler classes directly?
[18:36] <james_w> jkyle, I'm guessing that's just a leftover artefact
[18:37] <jkyle> I think using cobbler management classes would be stellar
[18:37] <jkyle> as a sort of "pool" specifier
[18:45] <marcoceppi> jkyle: I don't think you can use cobbler classes with MAAS + Juju yet
[18:45] <marcoceppi> to my knowledge, only maas-name can be used by juju constraints as of now
[18:56] <imbrandon> sweet, more swag ... email subject of "blitz.io: You just got a tshirt!" is always cool :)
[18:56] <MarkDude> imbrandon, just shared the zombie comic and the pinup albums- let me know what you think.
[18:56] <imbrandon> nice , i'll check em out in a few
[18:57] <imbrandon> i think i have enough cough medicine in me to make it till bedtime :)
[18:57] <imbrandon> well and actually be productive somewhat
[18:59] <MarkDude> jcastro, right now Fedora is having its elections. Next week is townhalls. I was hoping to get a sentence or two from you as far as how cool it will be to have Juju in the repos
[18:59] <MarkDude> This will be easier with some board members on it
[19:04] <MarkDude> No big hurry tho :)
[19:16] <imbrandon> MarkDude: he said something about flying home today a few hours ago so he is likely mid-ait
[19:16] <imbrandon> air*
[19:16] <MarkDude> Oh cool
[19:17] <MarkDude> I will email him then
[19:17] <MarkDude> is it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:17] <marcoceppi> MarkDude: according to LP it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:18] <MarkDude> Cool, that was my 2nd guess
[19:18] <MarkDude> ty marcoceppi
[20:35] <mhall119> hazmat: your postgresql changes seem to have done the trick, thanks!
[20:36] <hazmat> mhall119, awesome, thanks
[20:48] <jcastro> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4020455
[20:48] <jcastro> upvotes please!
[20:49] <mhall119> jcastro: AWS has ARM hardware now?
[20:49] <jcastro> we simulate
[20:49] <jcastro> so when this hits the market
[20:49] <jcastro> people can be ready
[20:49] <jcastro> it's a simulated Calxeda box
[20:50] <mhall119> oh, ok
[20:50] <mhall119> there's something almost zen-like about watching my instances install and configure themselves in debug-log
[20:50] <jcastro> I know
[20:51] <jcastro> can you believe people used to launch instances like this by hand?
[20:51] <jcastro> mhall119: on tuesday you should link up with m_3, he's been at a conference but worked with chris on the django/summit stuff
[20:51] <jcastro> I am pretty sure you guys could sort out your issues in a few minutes of facetime
[20:52] <mhall119> jcastro: hazmat sorted out the last of my issues
[20:52] <jcastro> ah, rock and roll then
[20:54] <hazmat> mhall119, thanks for your patience on those round trips..
[20:55] <hazmat> jcastro, oh.. that's what its for
[20:55] <hazmat> i was wondering why we have amis for that stuff
[20:55] <jcastro> hit the ground running when they ship!
[20:58] <mhall119> jcastro: check it out: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/charm/revision/2
[20:58] <mhall119> that's all I had to change between the initial charm generated, and what summit needed to work
[20:58] <mhall119> and most of that is because Summit does stuff in a funny way
[21:00] <hazmat> mhall119, do you need to do the init-summit and pullapps against the real db?
[21:01] <mhall119> hazmat: no
[21:01] <hazmat> cool
[21:01] <hazmat> just checking
[21:02] <mhall119> those just setup the local disk env
[21:05] <imbrandon> oh crap, i just learned some new nginx magic SpamapS , 4x the current ludicris numbers avail now ... with just a bit of creative request queuing upstream
[21:05] <imbrandon> hrm , time to get this on one of my sites and really test it more than local, only bad part is it requires a patch to nginx
[21:05] <imbrandon> :(
[21:46] <SpamapS> imbrandon: does nginx have some kind of request de-duper for when you have to fetch from the backend?
[21:46] <SpamapS> imbrandon: have always thought caches should do that
[21:47] <SpamapS> but I've never pushed optimization far enough where that would have been enough of a win
[21:47] <imbrandon> SpamapS: not sure, but this is basicly making all the requests pool in nginx then only handing php 1 at a time
[21:47] <imbrandon> and man, its MUCH better at queueing than even php-fpm
[21:48] <SpamapS> imbrandon: interesting
[21:48] <imbrandon> and to be honest i thought thats how it worked internally to begin with but i guess not
[21:50] <imbrandon> that and i think i figured out why i always peek arround 500 concurrent connections and could never figure out why
[21:51] <imbrandon> i was doing a bit of math wrong and assumed 8192 connections * 4 worker processes == win
[21:51] <imbrandon> but it actually == about 500 concurrent due to some wonky math
[21:51] <SpamapS> GWB style math :)
[21:52] <imbrandon> sooooo i may have found a few bits that will make some nice additions to the base config :)
[21:52] <imbrandon> lol
[21:52] <SpamapS> Fool my servers you can't get fooled again.
[21:52] <imbrandon> still need to test it all out tho
[22:30] <surgemcgee> What is the best method of moving templets around? I wan't a simple vhost in sites-available. Can I do this nativly?
[22:32] <surgemcgee> Also, is there a way to package two charms together. The one is more of a generic template for the main one and I need people to know this.
[22:33] <SpamapS> ugh, looks like txaws is incompatible with twisted 12 ...
[22:34] <SpamapS> surgemcgee: There are two ways to get that done
[22:34] <SpamapS> surgemcgee: there's a very experimental 'charm splice' command that I developed, but its a bit crackful as it can't really relate the two charms together (well it can, but it emulates this in a really weird way)
[22:35] <SpamapS> surgemcgee: the other way is to turn the detailed part into a subordinate charm, and have the generic service charm as the primary..
[22:48] <SpamapS> hazmat: ugh, lp:txaws is a mess
[22:49] <SpamapS> hazmat: no tags.. any idea what revision 0.2.3 was taken from?
[22:50] <SpamapS> hazmat: I *think* it is r139
[22:55] <SpamapS> Ahh.. txaws works fine w/ twisted 12 .. missing files in the tarball
[23:10] <hazmat> SpamapS, that looks about right
[23:10] <hazmat> SpamapS, agreed its inanely difficult to tell, i had to resort to a diff
[23:12] <SpamapS> hazmat: I just used log to find commits before/after release
[23:13] <SpamapS> hazmat: but yeah, diff confirms.. sort of (since some files are not in sdist)
[23:42] <SpamapS> aaaaannd txaws is now in Debian NEW queue
[23:42]  * SpamapS moves on to juju
[23:42] <SpamapS> man this is so much easier when I don't need a debian sponsor. :)


[03:42] <az7> chat niiiiiiight
[03:47] <DoubleB> sho-nuf
[03:48] <DoubleB> Is 11.04 making anyone happy?
[03:49] <az7> aside from some graphical glitches on the laptop, its not too bad
[03:49] <az7> anybody using unity?
[03:53] <DoubleB> yes
[03:54] <az7> like it so far?
[03:56] <DoubleB> yeah there are some things that could be better but I do like the idea very much
[04:00] <az7> cool, i'll have to give it a shot in a vm or something
[04:13] <DoubleB> The search feature is a lot like finder.
[04:15] <Ahmuck-Sr> evening
[04:18] <DoubleB> hello
[04:18] <Ahmuck-Sr> it get's really chatty here on tuesday
[04:18] <DoubleB> I like the new icon set in 11.04 also. I may not install faenza
[04:19] <Ahmuck-Sr> r u on unity?
[04:19] <Ahmuck-Sr> i went back to gnome
[04:24] <DoubleB> yes