[00:26] <draven> for 10.04 what is the current kernel?
[00:34] <Doonz> so if im running an app through x when i close my connection will that app stop running?
[01:20] <Datz> draven: I think it is 2.6.32-31
[01:53] <Guest37947> hi!
[01:54] <Guest37947> can any one no a good program recording and maneging my cctv cam's?
[02:10] <Max-P> Hi, there, does someone know why an empty Ubuntu-server (freshly installed) uses as much as 200 Mb RAM, with only the base processes running (rsyslog, cron, getty) while a fresh Debian install only takes <50 Mb?
[02:13] <draven> why do i have to use dist-upgrade to get kernel updates for server but not for standard?
[02:14] <julian_c> Hmm... never really thought there was a difference. On non-server installs, I've had to do dist-upgrade to get newer kernels.
[02:15] <draven> julian_c, might just be a difference between the gui update manager and the command line apt tool
[02:35] <qman__> Guest37947, zoneminder
[02:36] <Guest37947> qman__: I found zoneminder, but i can't install :/ I user isp config in my servers.
[02:37] <qman__> Guest37947, zoneminder is fairly difficult to install, I'd definitely say it's for advanced users
[02:37] <qman__> but it is the best CCTV software for linux
[02:38] <qman__> far as I know, anyway
[02:38] <Guest37947> yep, i know. But what's the next, maybe u now a good tutorial? (zoneminder.com tutorials or install man is not help much. ... it's just say sudo apt-get install zoneminder .... after u have to do what u want ... )
[02:39] <qman__> their wiki has some tips on getting it to work in ubuntu
[02:39] <qman__> I spent a good two days or so getting the one I set up going
[02:39] <Guest37947> thx, i watch it
[02:39] <qman__> it was a while back, on 9.10, so I don't really remember what I did
[02:39] <qman__> and it may not even be relevant in current versions
[03:17] <el_seano> does anybody know of a quick command to tell which release of ubuntu you're using?
[03:19] <el_seano> nevermind.  lsb_release -a
[03:38] <jeeves_moss> what syslog server will allow me to make a directory for each device, and allow for slave servers (so if the remote connection goes down, the logging keeps going on my cisco equipment)
[03:42] <ChmEarl> pastebin: Oneiric kernel xen config - grep -ic xen /boot/config-2.6.39-2*
[04:42] <n2deep> hi can anyone help with nx flag reporting: http://pastebin.com/u4zkDB4M
[04:44] <n2deep> this is a virtual machine.
[04:44] <n2deep> the nx bit was disabled when I installed the operating system, it's enabled now.
[04:45] <n2deep> ..enaabled in the physical host bios now
[05:54] <PryMaL> I'm currently trying to recover a MySQL root password for a friend, can anyone help with the syntax error that it's giving me please.  UPDATE user SET password=PASSWORD('newpassword') WHERE user="root"; is the string I'm using but have a generic "you're using bad syntax on mysql" error
[10:16] <lambda_x> why lvm volume groups created during installation dont have /dev/mapper/[name] entry while volume groups created by hand do have?
[11:21] <mithran> hi all, im trying to configure webmin on ubuntu server 10.04. but im not able to access the webmin page, i installed all the packages, and the port 10000 is open on the server, im able to ping the server as well, but the webpage is not loading
[11:22] <mithran> please help
[11:22] <mithran> im getting a net::ERR_TIMED_OUT error
[14:05] <Doonz> RoyK: you around buddy
[15:09] <maxb> Is there any special gotcha to trying to run an isc-dhcp-server on a Linux bridge interface? (bridging a bunch of tap interfaces used for QEMU; the DHCPD never seems to do anything)
[15:46] <randomuser> maxb, works for me
[15:46] <maxb> oh :-(
[15:46] <maxb> Wonder why it hates me
[15:47] <maxb> So, you have a bridge, have tap interfaces, added them to the bridge, got an IP address configured on the bridge, told the dhcpd about the IP subnet, and it just works?
[15:48] <maxb> My dhcpd doesn't do anything, even though I can see the DHCP Discover messages in wireshark
[15:49] <maxb> It all works fine when I have a single tap interface, no bridging - but I want to allow for multiple VMs at once
[15:53] <randomuser> i have a line in dhcpd.conf to tell it to listen on virbr0
[16:14] <maxb> randomuser: What does that line look like? Is virbr0 a standard "brctl addbr" bridge? Any special settings associated with it?
[16:15] <randomuser> it says DHCPARGS=virbr0;
[16:16] <randomuser> it appears to have STP enabled
[16:16] <randomuser>  other than that, a bridge is a bridge
[16:16] <randomuser> how did you create yours? is your virtualization platform running dnsmasq or some other competing service?
[16:17] <randomuser> (mine tries to do dnsmasq)
[16:54] <incorrect> is the a cli client for ubuntu one file sync?
[17:01] <JanC> incorrect: u1sdtool ?
[17:01] <incorrect> maybe there is a ppa for that
[17:02] <JanC> incorrect: it's part of the 'ubuntuone-client' package
[17:03] <JanC> no need for PPAs
[17:03] <JanC> at least in 11.04
[17:03] <incorrect> my server is on 10.04
[17:04] <JanC> incorrect: maybe also ask in #ubuntuone or such
[17:04] <incorrect> ah thanks
[17:04] <JanC> incorrect: there might be a backport of the more recent U1 stuff in lucid backports
[17:06] <JanC> although it also provides/needs a new couchdb version IIRC, so I hope you don't use that for anything else on that 10.04 server
[17:53] <Doonz> hey guys im having trouble iwht my server. It locks up on me i cant access the websites nor can I access it through ssh. But i can ping it and the data that is being pipesd through the website continues to flow any idea where i can look in the logs for ideas?
[18:04] <Doonz> and it crapped out again
[18:21] <dougb> when i've logged into my machine over SSH, on a certain user account when I press the up arrow key it just prints ^[[A and not the previous command, is there a way to fix this?
[18:30] <dougb> i fixed it, my shell was sh
[20:06] <winsen> i had problem with ubuntu i can not update it
[20:08] <winsen> it says (-5- no adress associated with hostname, so it seems problem with DNS, thanks
[20:08] <winsen> for helping
[21:43] <mynameistux> I'm getting the message "network autoconfiguration failed" when install. My router handles DHCP, and I'm using a PCI-E gigabit ethernet card with a realtek RTL8111/8168B. ubuntu-server 11.04 amd_64
[21:46] <mynameistux> found http://forums.hardwaresecrets.com/installing-realtek-rtl8111/3906?s=54601af5ec9ee62636d482bf1fa42193& but ... uggh, easier to buy another network card
[21:50] <_ruben> the brand alone oughta be enough to buy another :)
[21:51] <Henriquez> ok, i have my (sub)domains setup correctly now but i want to serve content from a different server in my LAN to ldap.domain.TLD (phpldapadmin) is that possible with virtualhosts?
[21:51] <guntbert> gmcdonald: did you try with apt-get or with aptitude?
[21:52] <gmcdonald> apt-get
[21:53] <gmcdonald> 20 packages can be updated, it says, it also says system restart required
[21:53] <gmcdonald> so I apt-get update/upgrade then reboot
[21:53] <gmcdonald> then it tells me same 20 packages can be updated, system restart required
[21:54] <guntbert> gmcdonald: I've seen the "system restart required" remain after the update - you could thank you it with aptitude for once - sometimes it makes a difference - use aptitude update, then aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:55] <gmcdonald> I'll try that thanks
[21:55] <gmcdonald> I've done update/upgrade/reboot 4 times so far with no effect
[21:57] <guntbert> gmcdonald: and try aptitude -vv safe upgrade  (makes it more verbose)
[21:57] <gmcdonald> interesting, an aptitude safe-upgrade did not add anything, it removed old kernels
[21:58] <gmcdonald> no difference on reboot
[21:58] <mynameistux> I just bought this card for 25 dollars, and I don't have the box anymore so I can't return it
[21:58] <mynameistux> :(
[21:59] <guntbert> as I said: don't put too much weight in the "system restart required" message
[21:59] <gmcdonald> guntbert: true, but it always tells me I have 20 packages to update, 8 of them security updates
[21:59] <gmcdonald> I've updated them 5 times now
[22:02] <guntbert> gmcdonald: look into /var/log/aptitude and /var/log/dpkg
[22:03] <gmcdonald> will do
[22:04] <gmcdonald> note apt-get update/upgrade is upto date, it doesnt actually update anything any more
[22:05] <guntbert> then let it lie and ignore the "system restart required" message
[22:07] <gmcdonald> the concern is the constant message I get on logging in/rebooting telling me I need to update 20 packages, 8 of them security
[22:08] <gmcdonald> if it has updated them , fine. Hopefully the next message needed will clear this one out the way
[22:08] <guntbert> gmcdonald: yes, as I said I've seen that before, something like motd not getting corrected
[22:08] <guntbert> /etc/motd (or so)
[22:08] <gmcdonald> right
[22:09] <gmcdonald> ok
[22:11] <gmcdonald> guntbert: thanks for your help, off now to free up some channels/keyb shortcuts :)
[22:24] <Henriquez> ok, i have my (sub)domains setup correctly now but i want to serve content from a different server in my LAN to ldap.domain.TLD (phpldapadmin) is that possible with virtualhosts?
[22:30] <_ruben> Henriquez: what do virtualhosts have to do with that? just a dns issue
[22:36] <Henriquez> well because the server is on a different ip adress and the requests go to another internal ip adress
[22:37] <Henriquez> and i don t know what directive to make a request from the webserver go to the other physical server in my lan
[22:38] <Henriquez> i already created ldap.domain.TLD  so that is not the issue
[23:01] <_ruben> ldap.domain.tld currently points to serverA but needs to go to serverB, change dns to point to serverB instead of serverA
[23:18] <Henriquez> server a and server b have the same wan ip. It is about lan ipś


[08:34] <AlexExtreme> tale_, the native upstart boot on feisty isn't enabled because the scripts haven't been written yet :) the developers decided to spend more time testing rather than just rush it to get it in. it will definitely be in feisty+1
[03:08] <fruell> hallo
[08:31] <sadleder> Keybuk: nomeata proposes "Instance-Capable Init Scripts" http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/archives/231-Debian-Ideas-Instance-Capable-Init-Scripts.html
[08:32] <sadleder> Keybuk: this could easily be done with different options per instance in upstart, if daemons support it
[08:43] <Keybuk> sadleder: I don't agree that it's as easy as he claims
[08:45] <sadleder> Keybuk: what do you mean?
[08:46] <Keybuk> well, take apache for example; you'd have to write a new apache configuration, and arrange directories for different pid/scoreboard files, log files, etc.
[08:51] <sadleder> well, sure, applications have to provide full support for that, but the upstart side could provide it.
[08:52] <Keybuk> it doesn't really seem like a useful thing to provide though?
[08:53] <Keybuk> every application would need the different options passed, and have different ways of finding out how many "instances" it needs
[08:53] <Keybuk> some might need to iterate a directory, some might have them all in one file, some might need entire directory structures, etc.
[08:54] <Keybuk> and tbh, since you've got to reconfigure the daemon anyway, why not copy the event.d file while you're at it?
[08:57] <sadleder> so you mean putting in a new event file is just enough.
[08:57] <sadleder> might be
[09:01] <sadleder> so just ignore what i said
[09:38] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk, did you see my post to the mailing list about disabling/enabling jobs? what did you think to my idea?
[09:39] <mbiebl> AlexExtreme: afaik Keybuk is averse to symlinks ;-)
[09:46] <Keybuk> allergic is the usual word :)
[09:48] <_ion> ln -s . this_dir
[09:51] <AlexExtreme> hmm :)
[09:52] <Keybuk> "." is a link anyway


[00:00] <sogepp> and become 'junk' files???
[00:00] <UndiFineD> no, it replaces one for the other, so there is no junk
[00:10] <sogepp> and what bout this :  each time i boot xubuntu, the previus app always comes and poping one after another, how to stop this ???
[00:19] <head_victim> sogepp: it's been ages since I used xubuntu but there hsould be something under the administration menu about "startup applications" or "sessions"
[00:21] <pleia2> "settings" > "session and startup"
[00:22] <sogepp> err, can't found it guys
[00:22] <head_victim> pleia2: thanks, I knew what it was just no idea where it was
[00:22] <sogepp> i've check it on setting
[00:23] <sogepp> wait, i'm still searching
[00:23] <sogepp> ok find it, he he
[00:25] <UndiFineD> :)
[00:41] <asterismo> hi people
[00:41] <thewrath> hi
[00:42] <asterismo> i found a bug, i think one game from ubuntu games repo if installed breaks the grep-status file
[00:42] <asterismo> that was the conclusion that we arrived with yofel i think
[00:43] <asterismo> yofel ping
[00:43] <yofel> pong, which repository was that again?
[00:43] <asterismo> ubuntu games
[00:43] <asterismo> let me see the apt lie
[00:43] <asterismo> line
[00:43] <drew_> Hello
[00:44] <drew_> Can someone help me with dual monitors?
[00:44] <drew_> I just installed 10.04
[00:44] <asterismo> http://archive.ubuntugames.org ubuntugames main
[00:44] <asterismo> drew_ shoot
[00:45] <drew_> no need to shoot
[00:45] <drew_> I see the same image on both monitors
[00:45] <yofel> that's not a repository managed by ubuntu, contact the ubuntugames admins
[00:45] <asterismo> yofel> one of this 3 games, memonix, globulation2 or omnitux
[00:45] <asterismo> any idea how?
[00:46] <yofel> since it's the first time I hear of ubuntugames, nope, sorry
[00:46] <asterismo> drew_ > what box do you have
[00:46] <drew_> Is this a help room?
[00:46] <asterismo> i think so
[00:47] <drew_> Can you recommend another room to help me with dual monitors?
[00:48] <asterismo> drew_, laptop, desktop? i can try to help you if it's of with you
[00:48] <asterismo> if it's ok with you
[00:48] <drew_> Desktop, single video card, two monitors
[00:48] <asterismo> driver of video card? ATI, NVidia, propietary, opensource?
[00:49] <drew_> ATI
[00:49] <asterismo> propietary or opensource?
[00:49] <drew_> Driver was loaded with install
[00:49] <drew_> How do I check?
[00:49] <asterismo> do you have installed the ATI Catalyst Control Center?
[00:50] <asterismo> because that means you have the propietary
[00:50] <drew_> no
[00:50] <asterismo> otherwise go to system > preferences > monitors
[00:51] <asterismo> do this with your extra monitor plugged
[00:51] <asterismo> and tell me what you see
[00:53] <asterismo> drew_, got it?
[00:54] <asterismo> i was trying to help somebody for the first time, lol
[01:02] <drew_> Hello
[01:02] <drew_> I'm back from a bad crash
[01:02] <drew_> Could someone help me with a dual monitor setup?
[01:06] <drew_> problem is that the monitors are the same whether look mirrored even when not selected
[01:08] <asterismo> yes
[01:08] <asterismo> do you get to the system > preferences > monitors?
[01:09] <asterismo> you can then plug the monitor and hit detect monitors
[01:09] <asterismo> that will probably detect the monitor plugged within 5 secs of being plugged
[01:10] <asterismo> then you can try to see if there is a chech item that says "same image in all monitors"
[01:11] <asterismo> chech the resolution of the both pluggd monitors, (if monitors are the same hardware most likely is expected to work fine)
[01:11] <asterismo> then hit apply
[01:11] <asterismo> and try to drag the green and red monitor samples to the correct physical setup
[01:12] <asterismo> and then try to drag any window within the monitors
[01:12] <asterismo> do you follow these steps?
[01:16] <asterismo> drew_ still there?
[01:18] <asterismo> well, i'm going to have dinner, i hope it helped
[01:20] <drew_> yes
[01:20] <drew_> here
[01:25] <drew_> hmm
[01:25] <drew_> something is wrong
[02:08] <asterismo> i'm back
[02:12] <head_victim> Anyone know how to check a CPU temperature that doesn't involve acpi or sensors-detect (as neither find my p4 3.2 cpu, only 3 MB temp sensors)
[02:14] <Dutch70> Hi all, this is my first time here. Trying to get info on a freezing problem with 10.04 that didn't exist in 8.04
[02:15] <head_victim> Dutch70: are you doing anything in particular when it freezes?
[02:17] <Dutch70> No, I have to keep the visual effects set to "None", then I don't have the problem, but that's no fun. :)
[02:18] <Dutch70> If I even set it to "Normal" visual effects, It freezes. Sometimes 10 sec, sometimes 10 minutes.
[02:18] <Dutch70> I had 8.04 set to "extra" with compiz & emerald
[02:19] <Dutch70> and a lot of things added, I don't understand why 10.04 is different
[02:19] <head_victim> Ah what sort of video card do you have?
[02:22] <Dutch70> Intel 82945G Express chipset family
[02:22] <Dutch70> not a good one for sure, but it worked beautifully with 8.04
[02:24] <head_victim> Have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1307001 seems to explain a little
[02:25] <sebsebseb>
[02:27] <Dutch70> Great head_victim, I'll go through that thouroughly, but also want to let you know that I have another pc, same video card, but 64bit and ubuntu is installed via Wubi, and it works great there also
[02:27] <head_victim> Dutch70: hope it works. The first thing I usually do is disable those effects.
[02:29] <Dutch70> yeah, I didn't want it the way I had 8.04, but not ready to drop them all yet. they do kinna get old though.
[02:31] <head_victim> I have had to resort to a lighter version on my older hardware so I'm used to less "pretty" stuff. I still love gnome but it's too resource hungry for some of my hardware.
[02:44] <Dutch70> I have an older system with only 256MiB of memory, What system would be good on it? do you think
[02:46] <head_victim> Well it's a shameless plug but I've found Lubuntu to be what I like to use for older hardware. It's a good mix of usability and lightweight in my opinion. It's not an official derivative yet but working on it.
[02:50] <Dutch70> I've heard of it, I'll have to check into it. Thanks for all your help. I'm on ubuntu forums quite a bit if you ever go there...my screen name is the same.
[02:51] <head_victim> Ah I'm always on IRC :)
[02:51] <head_victim> I find it hard on forums without the feedback, takes too long to get a to and fro help going
[03:09] <Dutch70> I'm liking this quite well myself, as well as what I see about Lubuntu, may be perfect for my g/f's old computer that she swore was trashed. :))
[03:10] <Dutch70> ..I dug it out of the storage building after it's been there for years. Had it working in 20 min. with Ubuntu 10.04 from a usb stick, but wayyyy too slow.
[03:13] <head_victim> Yeah I tried xubuntu and a couple other variants, for me Lubuntu was where I liked the balance.
[03:16] <Dutch70> I wonder if you can install it with a usb stick though, cause that's all I've got right now.
[03:16] <head_victim> Yep
[03:16] <head_victim> Definitely can as long as the PC can boot off USB
[03:16] <Dutch70> Oh wow!!! it does!
[03:17] <head_victim> I said it was a shameless plug because I work on the documentation for it :)
[03:17] <Dutch70> I can have that thing up & running tonight, she wants to give it to her parents, who've never really used one, is it as easy to use as Ubuntu?
[03:17] <Dutch70> Oh nicee!!!
[03:17] <Dutch70> website?
[03:18] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[03:22] <Dutch70> I'm a noob myself, how do you install it with a usb?
[03:23] <head_victim> Heh hang on I'll find a link
[03:23] <head_victim> I'm a noob myself
[03:24] <head_victim> Well I still think I am
[03:24] <yofel> !usb
[03:24] <ubot2> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[03:26] <head_victim> Aww and I went and googled and all, thanks yofel
[03:27] <head_victim> Those were the 2 links I was just copying :)
[03:28] <Dutch70> It gets better...LOL
[03:28] <yofel> the bot is pretty helpful for such things :P
[03:29] <Dutch70> That's the 2 sites I just used to do a fresh install from 8.04 to 10.04 for Ubuntu, didn't realize you could do it with Lubuntu also.
[03:29] <yofel> it's the same procedure for all *buntus
[03:29] <Dutch70> and thanks...both of you
[03:29] <head_victim> yofel: I keep forgetting about it. Somedays I use it heaps, others I just plain forget
[03:29] <head_victim> Dutch70: it's what were' here for mate
[03:29] <Dutch70> Nicee
[03:29] <yofel> you're welcome
[03:31] <Dutch70> Gonna eat a burger & do some downloads myself...I will be back, don't know how I managed to avoid this site for nearly 2  yrs :))
[03:32] <Dutch70> talk to you later
[03:35] <head_victim> Cheerio
[03:37] <asterismo> head_victim > what are the special features of Lubuntu?
[03:39] <head_victim> asterismo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications and http://lubuntu.net/about are probably good places to start
[03:39] <head_victim> asterismo: basically is Ubuntu with lxde.
[03:41] <asterismo> but does it have the set of apps like XFCE, or GNOME like with Evolution, and stuff?
[03:42] <head_victim> The first link has a list of apps
[03:44] <asterismo> head_victim > and is truly faster than gnome? and if it is, is there any benchmark? ram usage statistics? is the code better? or what?
[03:44] <head_victim> I use it as my web box, for irc, web browsing, chat clients, etc.
[03:44] <aveilleux> asterismo: It just follows different design principles. Its nature makes it lighter.
[03:45] <head_victim> I still prefer gnome for my main pc because of it's extended feature set but lxde let me re use an old pc that I wasn't happy running current gnome on.
[03:46] <asterismo> yeah but why, is gnome not suppose to be light? what difference would be in an email client? they all check for mail, i mean is the same stuff right?
[03:47] <aveilleux> asterismo: It all depends on how the programmer designed the system.
[03:47] <aveilleux> asterismo: Like I said they simply follow different paths to achieve the same ends.
[03:47] <asterismo> so, it's the code
[03:47] <asterismo> its better
[03:47] <aveilleux> asterismo: No. Not better or worse.
[03:47] <aveilleux> asterismo: Different.
[03:47] <asterismo> better and cleamer code
[03:47] <asterismo> cleaner
[03:47] <aveilleux> asterismo: No. That's not the case.
[03:48] <aveilleux> asterismo: It may run more efficiently, but for different reasons than you're thinking.
[03:48] <head_victim> It's different that's all. I use them for different purposes.
[03:48] <head_victim> I'm not a programmer or coder though so I don't know the ins and outs sorry
[03:49] <aveilleux> asterismo: The big thing in the FOSS world is that no one is trying to be "the best" in anything
[03:49] <aveilleux> asterismo: They just develop software to suit their needs, and if it happens to help out some other people so much the better.
[03:50] <asterismo> yeah but it is interesting the look inside of why this app is faster than this other one and does the same thing
[03:50] <aveilleux> asterismo: They use different methods to do similar things. I shouldn't have said "the same thing", because they don't really satisfy the same needs.
[03:50] <asterismo> i mean, if it's free software and opensource why guys at gnome do not take the code of some app that does the same thing and use the code for a gnome app
[03:50] <asterismo> and make gnome faster
[03:51] <aveilleux> asterismo: Because that's not how it works in programming.
[03:51] <aveilleux> asterismo: You'd think that, but not really.
[03:51] <head_victim> They don't to the *same* thing, they do similar things is the best way i can explain it
[03:51] <asterismo> i'm clearly not a programmer also
[03:52] <asterismo> but i think that all software efforts should in final instances converge to a cleaner and faster and efficient code
[03:52] <aveilleux> asterismo: But what about, say... KDE and GNOME?
[03:52] <asterismo> i mean, that is why linux is better than any other OS in many aspects
[03:52] <asterismo> the clean code
[03:52] <aveilleux> asterismo: KDE is Qt-based, and GNOME is Gtk+ based.
[03:52] <aveilleux> asterismo: They're based on entirely different libraries.
[03:52] <asterismo> yes i know
[03:52] <head_victim> asterismo: but that's like comparing a terminal web browser to firefox, they both allow you to browse the internet.
[03:53] <asterismo> because i have to know if this app is KDE or GNOME in ordr to prevent installation of all KDE libs
[03:53] <asterismo> lol
[03:53] <asterismo> but they not allow to do the same thing
[03:53] <aveilleux> asterismo: Dillo vs. Firefox.
[03:54] <asterismo> say google chrome, firefox, and epiphany
[03:54] <asterismo> they do
[03:54] <aveilleux> asterismo: They use different paths for the same goal
[03:54] <asterismo> Dillo too may be
[03:54] <aveilleux> Yes, Dillo.
[03:55] <asterismo> but programmers should share faster and more efficient codes to improve their softwares
[03:55] <asterismo> right?
[03:55] <aveilleux> I specifically chose Dillo because it has a strong userbase
[03:55] <aveilleux> asterismo: But almost no casual user could use it in the long run.
[03:55] <yofel> aveilleux: that's what libraries are used for
[03:56] <yofel> er, asterismo^
[03:56] <aveilleux> yofel: Tabfail
[03:56] <yofel> yep :/
[03:56] <aveilleux> asterismo: Like yofel said, that's what shared libraries are for. They're "shared" codebases for developers to work with.
[03:57] <asterismo> yes but you have Qt and GTK ones
[03:58] <asterismo> why is there 2?
[03:58] <head_victim> Because choice is a good thing?
[03:58] <asterismo> there should be a QTGTK libs in which the cleaner replaces the bloated ones
[03:58] <yofel> asterismo: because the developers didn't like how the other one did things and wanted it to be done differently
[03:59] <asterismo> lol
[03:59] <aveilleux> asterismo: basically, yeah.
[03:59] <asterismo> lol
[03:59] <asterismo> yes choice is a good thing
[03:59] <aveilleux> asterismo: Look at the visual differences between KDE and GNOME apps, if nothing else. They follow different design principles altogether.
[04:00] <asterismo> but may be too bifurcation of code and projects and groups that did not like the other group did
[04:00] <asterismo> it could be dangerous i think
[04:00] <aveilleux> asterismo: Why?
[04:00] <aveilleux> asterismo: Projects fork all the time.
[04:00] <aveilleux> asterismo: Github has a built-in system for handling code forks because of that.
[04:01] <yofel> asterismo: why? if someone else invents something better than you have, you'll have a reason to make your app better, the world lives from competition and it's usually a good thing
[04:01] <asterismo> yes but somebody said one time that may be a strategy from propietary software developers to force communities to fork and split them
[04:02] <asterismo> yes, you are right yofel
[04:03] <asterismo> yeah but it's like you are talking about competition to outsiders, or say other propietary OS
[04:04] <asterismo> but not competition between us
[04:04] <asterismo> i probably get the rest of my life trying to figure this out
[04:04] <asterismo> and i love this game
[04:05] <asterismo> since i discovered the OS, i could not leave it, i want to learn more and more, and get things better
[04:05] <yofel> asterismo: so? At least for KDE and Gnome, the principles the developers follow are completely different, so while both are desktop environments they behave and look pretty different
[04:06] <asterismo> may be the fact that there are too many choices affects me
[04:06] <asterismo> lol
[04:06] <asterismo> that you can't make up your mind
[04:06] <asterismo> which one is going to be better?
[04:06] <asterismo> more efficient? or more complete?
[04:06] <asterismo> god
[04:07] <asterismo> it's hard, lol
[04:07] <head_victim> I just pick the one that suits the particular need.
[04:07] <head_victim> Hence gnome on my main, semi powerful pc and lxde on my underpowered, secondary pc.
[04:07] <yofel> *shrug*, I use KDE because I like the UI better, but efficiency is definitely not it's strong point, for that LXDE is the best currently from what I see
[04:07]  * JoeMaverickSett think no one is better, they are great in their own ways, it's just a preference.
[04:07] <head_victim> Horses for courses as they say
[04:08] <asterismo> yeah
[04:08] <asterismo> i want them all
[04:08] <asterismo> aaaarrggghhhh
[04:08] <head_victim> Haha then I'd suggest virtualbox :)
[04:08] <yofel> asterismo: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-destkop kubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[04:08] <yofel> :P
[04:08] <asterismo> already have
[04:08] <JoeMaverickSett> yofel: +1 :D
[04:08] <head_victim> That's where I play aroud until I'm happy
[04:09] <asterismo> i used to try every linux distro, (until i met ubuntu off course)
[04:09] <asterismo> and i used to try every desktop enviroment
[04:09] <asterismo> god
[04:09] <head_victim> It's the only way you'll know that what you are using is what you want :)
[04:09] <asterismo> i've been using gnome for like 3 years
[04:09] <asterismo> now
[04:09] <asterismo> but it was hard
[04:09] <asterismo> and sometimes i have my breakdowns
[04:09] <asterismo> lol
[04:10] <asterismo> then i say
[04:10] <asterismo> jesus!, grow up! stick with this that it works!
[04:10] <asterismo> lol
[04:10] <yofel> I used KDE with suse for a while, then debian with gnome a bit, gentoo with KDE and ubuntu with gnome till karmic then KDE again
[04:11] <head_victim> I must admit I've just gotten to comfortable with gnome.
[04:11] <head_victim> But I'm the very definition of an "end user" so I don't like to chop and change every week just to test it.
[04:11] <yofel> gnome's nice, I'm just not sure I like what ubuntu is doing with it (haven't tried gnome-shell yet, but I don't like unity)
[04:11] <aveilleux> Gnome-shell is a little different.
[04:11] <aveilleux> I don't know how I feel about it yet.
[04:11] <head_victim> I'm hoping to clean up my vm installs to have a play with natty.
[04:12] <asterismo> unity?
[04:12] <head_victim> Running out of hdd on a 2TB /home is abit weird.
[04:12] <aveilleux> I can't stand Unity.
[04:12] <yofel> asterismo: the new ubuntu interface for Natty, as well as maverick netbook I think
[04:17] <asterismo> i think it should be gnome for default
[04:18] <asterismo> and unity for choice, may be a couple of screenshots in installation progress
[04:18] <yofel> asterismo: It'll be the other way around, unity default, gnome as 'classic' desktop
[04:18] <yofel> and as fallback for non-3D graphic drivers
[04:18] <yofel> since unity requires compiz
[04:19] <asterismo> yep
[05:15] <nlsthzn> seems my question not deep enough for #ubuntu... maybe someone here can assit
[05:16] <nlsthzn> using 10.04 on USB (persistant) @ work but connected to net via proxy, is it possible to set up to use proxy to update the distro?
[05:16] <bioterror> update uses http or ftp, mostly http
[05:16] <bioterror> so why not
[05:17] <bioterror> just do-release-upgrade -d
[05:18] <nlsthzn> bioterror: But how... I set proxy in System->Prefrences -> Network Proxy... woked for FF but not for anything else :/
[05:19] <bioterror> should wwork
[05:19] <bioterror> if you can sudo apt-get update
[05:20] <nlsthzn> nope... just getting failed to fetch
[05:21] <bioterror> something wrong with the proxy settings then?
[05:25] <nlsthzn> strange that I am using FF chatting on freenode then right now :p
[05:30] <bioterror> nlsthzn, firefox has its own proxy settings. check them
[05:32] <nlsthzn> bioterror: not set, when I launched FF it was set... when I run apt-get I get "proxy authentication needed" error... for some reason my user name and password don't seem to be working for terminal but it does for FF
[05:33] <bioterror> weiird
[05:34] <nlsthzn> maybe need to add domain info (is windows authentication after all)
[05:35] <JoeMaverickSett> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1440787&postcount=3 might help.
[05:39] <nlsthzn> JoeMaverickSett: Edited the file, thanks... now reboot?
[05:39] <nlsthzn> brb (windows noob I am)
[05:40] <bioterror> logout and login should be enuff
[05:40] <bioterror> i think :D
[05:40] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: i was going to say, source ~/.bashrc :)
[05:40] <bioterror> :D
[05:40] <bioterror> haha
[05:40] <JoeMaverickSett> or yeah, logout & login would do.
[05:41] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[06:11] <nlsthzn> hi, no luck getting the proxy to owrk in terminal btw :/
[06:15] <nlsthzn> JoeMaverickSett: Thanks for the link but no luck... doesn't work for me
[06:18] <sogepp> guys, i got message on my notebook, ntldr is missing
[06:19] <sogepp> and i can't boot my OS, can someone help???
[06:19] <nlsthzn> sogepp: Windows?
[06:20] <sogepp> yep, but i use ubuntu too
[06:20] <sogepp> how could that affect my grub ???
[06:21] <nlsthzn> sogepp: it can't AFAIK\
[06:22] <nlsthzn> the missing file seems to be another symptom and not the illness
[06:22] <sogepp> it's confuse me,
[06:25] <nit-wit> sogepp, is it a wubi install
[06:27] <nit-wit> sogepp, did you install Ubuntu from a live windows environment?
[06:33] <sogepp> nope, i use it double err, actually triple boot
[06:34] <nlsthzn> sogepp: and none of the OS's can boot now?
[06:34] <sogepp> yep, just a message : ntldr is missing
[06:36] <nit-wit> run this script in a ubuntu environment and paste all the text from the generated file to a paste bin and post the link. Also give a better description does anything boot. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[06:36] <sogepp> means i shoud use live cd???
[06:37] <nlsthzn> sogepp: looks like it is trying to boot to windows and can't...
[06:38] <nit-wit> youcan use any ubuntu or most linux environments, so you have no boot capabilities is this correct, for the installed operating systems?
[06:39] <sogepp> yes, i guess
[06:40] <sogepp> can i run that scipt with live cd???
[06:40] <nit-wit> the script will tell us what is where especially the bootloader=mbr info, yes the live cd is fine
[06:40] <sogepp> wait, i'm working on it
[06:44] <nit-wit> sogepp, cool no hurry
[06:45] <sogepp> he he, ok
[06:52] <sogepp> here we go http://pastebin.com/3SL1zZU9
[06:52] <nit-wit> thanks hold on
[06:55] <nit-wit> sogepp,  So when you power on the computer you get a grub screen is this correct
[06:56] <sogepp> nope, no grub just 'ntldr missing' message
[06:57] <sogepp> well, i just scanned my win with avg, and it require to rebbot to finish the scan, and when i reboot my notebook,...ta da~
[06:58] <sogepp> i wonder, how did it affect my grub
[06:58] <nit-wit> sogepp, okay the mbr is looking at the correct partition, did you have any grub updates before this happened in Blankon Nanggar or 9.10
[06:59] <sogepp> nope, seems since few days ago my linux had some problems too
[06:59] <sogepp> soo i often use it
[06:59] <sogepp> seldom, sorry
[07:00] <sogepp> rarely
[07:01] <nit-wit> we can reload grub2 to the mbr with 9.10 as the booting OS hold on I want to look closely at the script, you have grub-lagacy and grub2 chainging to boot
[07:01] <nit-wit> chaining
[07:03] <nit-wit> sogepp, you also have two swaps when you only need one
[07:03] <sogepp> yeah,  wll, i just don't know bout that
[07:03] <sogepp> :)
[07:04] <nit-wit> sogepp, did you install startup manager to have a default boot?
[07:04] <sogepp> what's that
[07:04] <sogepp> on linux, or win ???
[07:05] <nit-wit> sogepp, Linux it is a pprogram to modify the grub menu to default to say windows first if you wanted or any of the oprating systems.
[07:05] <sogepp> not yet
[07:05] <nit-wit> sogepp, a default the boot
[07:06] <sogepp> isn't it default app on ubuntu ??
[07:06] <nit-wit> lets go pm I will give you the command s to relod grub2
[07:06] <sogepp> never tried
[07:06] <sogepp> kay
[07:12] <Raidsong> hey peoples
[07:13] <Raidsong> can you install linux on a tablet
[07:14] <Raidsong> :(
[07:16] <nlsthzn> Raidsong: I guess it would depend which distro and which tablet
[07:16] <Raidsong> it would have to be a light distro
[07:17] <Raidsong> the people have changed since ive been here
[07:17] <nlsthzn> Raidsong: sorry... I am but a little noob and don't want to say something about a subject I have no clue about
[07:18] <Raidsong> no its cool talk away
[07:18] <Raidsong> you might spark an idea for me with something you say
[07:18] <Raidsong> i wanted to get a samsung galaxy since its open source and see how it works
[07:19] <nlsthzn> well if it is android based I am pretty sure with a little tweaking just about anything will run on it
[07:20] <Raidsong> im sure but i want a full linux install for a tablet
[07:20] <Raidsong> just to have one
[07:20] <Raidsong> im sure you can modify programs to work on tablets
[07:22] <nlsthzn> as long as it supports an on screen keyboard etc. you should be good to go
[07:24] <Raidsong> well you could make one
[07:24] <Raidsong> i dont know if there is a native program for that
[07:25] <Raidsong> but the real question is touch screen support
[07:27] <sogepp> yep it works
[07:27] <Raidsong> what works?
[07:28] <sogepp> nit-wit thanks a lot
[07:28] <sogepp> so, that how to fix the grub
[07:28] <nit-wit> sogepp, your back in
[07:29] <sogepp> rrr, i have another problem
[07:29] <nlsthzn> congrats sogepp, nice nit-wit (or did I speak to soon)
[07:29] <sogepp> my ubuntu won't reboot
[07:30] <sogepp> "init : usplash post-start process (4589) terminated with status 1"
[07:30] <nit-wit> sogepp, so which one did you boot to and did you run the sudo update-grub
[07:30] <sogepp> i did., it finished
[07:30] <sogepp> and, my 'reboot' problem occured since few weeks ago
[07:31] <sogepp> that's what make me rarely use my ubuntu
[07:31] <Raidsong> does anybody use 10.10 64x?
[07:31] <nit-wit> sogepp, it was 9.10 correct
[07:31] <sogepp> yep
[07:33] <nit-wit> sogepp, part of the problem I think is that in the debian it is grub-legacy and there is a windows boot stanza there, when your actually using grub2 as the bootloader with 9.10, it is a bit messed up it is more user nicely said error
[07:34] <sogepp> errr, how could i find the problem :)
[07:35] <nit-wit> sogepp, you just need somebody to set you up correctly without the 2 swaps. I would post a thread at the Ubuntu forums myself and a bunch of others do this everyday it is a little easier enviroment.
[07:36] <sogepp> a ha ha, kay, so basically, the problem is yhe swap ??? can i said that ???
[07:36] <Raidsong> how did you end up with debian and ubuntu?
[07:37] <nit-wit> I'm wilee-nilee there so post the latest bootscipt of your setup there and pm me. The best help is really US time during the day. The swap is not the problem but it isn't helping to have it set up improper
[07:38] <nit-wit> Raidsong, it is this distro http://debianfamily.blogspot.com/2009/06/blankon-nanggar-released.html
[07:39] <Raidsong> ah
[07:40] <sogepp> where i can find the boot script
[07:40] <nit-wit> Raidsong, I just did a archbang install not called arch for dummies but way easier then a regular arch install, and a live cd as well
[07:40] <Raidsong> i was never a bit fan of arch
[07:41] <Raidsong> big*
[07:41] <Raidsong> but i love me some gentoo
[07:41] <nit-wit> the bootscript is what you ran before for the paste bin. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[07:42] <nit-wit> sogepp, sorry you got that script url
[07:42] <sogepp> kay
[07:42] <sogepp> yep
[07:43] <nit-wit> sogepp, when we are trying to fix boot problems sometimes it needs to be run after changes to see whats different
[07:43] <nit-wit> sogepp, so are you in the no grub menu again situation
[07:43] <sogepp> kay, how did you learn all that thinks ??
[07:44] <sogepp> no, the problem is when i want to reboot, or shutdown
[07:44] <sogepp> grub is fine,
[07:44] <nit-wit> sogepp, so what happens then
[07:44] <sogepp> it just stuck on black page
[07:44] <sogepp> nothing happen, i nned to use REISUB
[07:45] <Raidsong> when does it stick?
[07:45] <nit-wit> sogepp, doesn't shutdown or reboot
[07:45] <Raidsong> i think i had a box with this problem
[07:45] <sogepp> yep, but it works fine with windows
[07:45] <sogepp> just m,y ubuntu and blankon
[07:45] <sogepp> *my
[07:46] <nit-wit> If grub is working now then the script isn't really necessary I thought is was a no boot situation again
[07:47] <nit-wit> sogepp, does it do this in both Linux setups?
[07:48] <sogepp> yes
[07:48] <sogepp> it occure after i didn't use my linuxs several days, weeks actually
[07:50] <nit-wit> sogepp, IRC is helpful but I wouldn't hestate to use the forums and have the autoemail on so you can respond if another does. Just explain the problems.
[07:50] <nit-wit> hesitate
[07:51] <sogepp> okay, :)
[07:51] <sogepp> tell me nit-wit , how did you learn all that thinks
[07:52] <nit-wit> sogepp, sda8 and sda10 are both swaps I would remove one with the live cd. You have to right click both of them to turn them off to remove one
[07:53] <sogepp> kay, then, can i set up new swap with gparted ??
[07:53] <nit-wit> sogepp, just lurking the forums and a fascination with it. I am only a computer user of 3 years, I'm 48 though returned to college and needed a word processors, just happened to get open source first.
[07:54] <sogepp> if i delete one of the swap, then one of my linux will loose the swap, so i need to set up new one , don't I
[07:55] <nit-wit> sogepp, no one swap will cover both
[07:55] <sogepp> is'it automatically detect the swap ???
[07:56] <sogepp> wow, yo're 48 already, nice talk with you pops, :)
[07:56] <nit-wit> sogepp, the swap is for stuff running it basically empties on rebooting I believe, very simple explanation really
[07:57] <nit-wit> sogepp, I have most of my teeth still.;)
[07:57] <sogepp> ha ha,
[07:57] <Raidsong> 48 is the new 30
[07:57] <sogepp> i see
[07:57] <sogepp> huh, what's that ???
[07:57] <Raidsong> the first human to live to 150 is alive today
[07:57] <nit-wit> sogepp, I never use the oh you young whipper snapper phrase ...yet
[07:58] <sogepp> ha ha ha, got that
[07:58] <Raidsong> or should i say that will live
[07:58] <sogepp> seems this channel pretty quite , right??
[07:59] <sogepp> not as crowd as ubuntu
[07:59] <nit-wit> sogepp, first help I have actually done on this channel
[08:00] <sogepp> well, i just found this channel yesterday
[08:00] <sogepp> the day after yesterday, actually
[08:01] <sogepp> nit-wit pops :) do you have blog ???
[08:01] <nit-wit> sogepp, I have about 7 channels I have in my favorites list all computer channels except a opensourcemusicins one
[08:01] <Raidsong> tai jūsų gimtoji kalba?
[08:01] <sogepp> what are those???
[08:01] <sogepp> what language is that, raidsong
[08:01] <nit-wit> sogepp, no blog I'm a college student and just to lazy, i spend my time trying to help others
[08:02] <Raidsong> nevermind
[08:02] <sogepp> nice one, i hope i can help other too
[08:02] <sogepp> Raidsong : ???
[08:02] <Raidsong> sogepp: its lithuanian
[08:02] <nit-wit> sogepp, ##windows #archbang#archlinux#opensourcemusicians#ubuntu#ubuntu+1 and this one
[08:03] <sogepp> so, what's make it different with ubuntu channel
[08:03] <sogepp> Raidsong: so you from there ???
[08:03] <Raidsong> no
[08:03] <nit-wit> sogepp, not much in the overall scheme of things
[08:04] <sogepp> then why make 2 channel, isn't it made by the same ubuntu team ???
[08:05] <nlsthzn> this is for beginners ;)
[08:05] <Raidsong> go beginner!
[08:05] <sogepp> #opensourcemusicians
[08:06] <Raidsong> they use open source  intruments
[08:06] <nit-wit> sogepp, I'm a former musician
[08:06] <sogepp> so, here where i belong huh, haha
[08:06] <sogepp> i see, so u use opensource app for your job, nit-wit
[08:06] <head_victim> I'm in 19 channels and 13 are Ubuntu related, 5 are other linux related and there is one social channel :/ I think I have a problem.
[08:06] <Raidsong> head_victim: yes you do
[08:07] <nit-wit> sogepp, no actually I intend to get a midi saxophone soon though, I used to play Jazz profesionally but many genres really
[08:08] <sogepp> wew, i really messed with music, can't read any not
[08:10] <nit-wit> sogepp, doesn't matter if you can read it is about the creative expression at least for the expression.
[08:11] <sogepp> i guess so, :)
[08:12] <sogepp> so, how did you related to 'opensource' and your music nit-wit
[08:14] <nit-wit> sogepp, in some ways the open source idea is like a group of jazz musicians. You have a script=song and you all individually add your part to it and in response to the others work their doing. True democracy really equality to some extent
[08:14] <sogepp> wew, such phylosophy
[08:15] <nit-wit> sogepp, it is all mathematically based although math is my weakest area but I think abstractly so it all sort of works together
[08:16] <nit-wit> brb
[08:16] <sogepp> kay guys. nit-wit pops, it's my pleasur to 'see' you here, thx for the help...
[08:16] <sogepp> i need to go,
[08:16] <sogepp> bye...see you later
[08:47] <shahan> problem with XAMPP
[08:49] <duanedesign> neat. I am starting to get too many things in my Panel. http://ubuntu.igameilive.com/2010/12/how-to-measure-your-internet-speed-in.html
[08:52] <shahan> duanedesign, Netspeed
[10:19] <svaksha> hi, any smartmontool users here?
[10:22] <UndiFineD> svaksha, mmm like System -> Administration -> Disk Utility ?
[10:22] <svaksha> After my last ubuntu update, smartctl has been behaving erratically and does not let me stop the disk head (un)parking. any idea why this weirdness occurs?
[10:22] <svaksha> UndiFineD: no, i installed smartmontools
[10:22] <svaksha> on lucid
[10:23] <svaksha> when i'm trying to get the laptop disk head to stop the constant (un)parking, that is
[10:24] <UndiFineD> I have just installed it
[10:25] <UndiFineD> no idea how it works
[10:26] <svaksha> oh, you need to give commands to stop the disk spinning, control temperature, etc..
[10:26] <svaksha> UndiFineD: are you usign the laptop now?
[10:26] <svaksha> using*
[10:26] <UndiFineD> no I have a server with sata smart disks
[10:27] <svaksha> a word of warning if its the laptop, stopping the head parking means you cannot use the laptop while in motion (travelling, moving , etc)
[10:28] <svaksha> UndiFineD: try the command "smartctl -help"
[10:28] <UndiFineD> however, you reminded me to check my primairy disk health staus and I found 62 bad sector :/
[10:29] <svaksha> UndiFineD: glad i could help :) but i'm looking for help actually
[10:32] <svaksha> UndiFineD: do you see "Load_Cycle_Count" while checkingthe disk?
[10:34] <svaksha> when i restrict that count my laptops hard disk life increases (but at a price, more power/heat)
[10:34] <svaksha> more power/heat consumption
[10:38] <svaksha> UndiFineD: http://svaksha.com/post/2008/hdd-health
[10:41] <UndiFineD> mmm i see no load cycle count, but this disk is 2 years old already and the system has been restarted > 256 times
[10:44] <svaksha> UndiFineD: did you run the command in my blog? can you tell me the ID# or attribute
[10:46] <UndiFineD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/544819/
[10:46] <UndiFineD> svaksha,
[10:47] <svaksha> UndiFineD: try this, smartctl -s on -a /dev/sda
[10:49] <svaksha> UndiFineD: you are running it as root? yikes
[10:49] <UndiFineD> sudo bash :)
[10:49] <svaksha> phew
[10:50] <UndiFineD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/544820/
[10:50] <UndiFineD> I am too lazy to type sudo all the time
[10:51] <UndiFineD> duanedesign, I really need a longer history in cli companion :P
[10:51] <svaksha> hmm..no LCC on desktop disks
[10:52] <svaksha> i assume the hdd manufacturers dont have the head parking/unparking feature on desktop disks
[10:52] <svaksha> so while that feature is available in smartmontools it cannot be implented
[10:52]  * svaksha wonders if she made sense
[11:00] <UndiFineD> :)
[11:00] <UndiFineD> could be an issue of chipset too svaksha
[11:00] <UndiFineD> this machine 8 years old
[11:01] <sogepp> nit-wit
[11:01] <svaksha> UndiFineD: doubt it, as i've been running this for 3 years now
[11:01] <svaksha> sogepp: ?
[11:01] <UndiFineD> !ask
[11:01] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[11:02] <sogepp> nothing,
[11:02] <svaksha> UndiFineD: fwiw, it (LCC) does not work on my desktop too
[11:31] <duanedesign> UndiFineD: hello
[11:32] <UndiFineD> hey duane
[11:32] <duanedesign> oops thought i was in team, oh well
[11:32] <duanedesign> UndiFineD: whatcha need? longer history?
[11:32] <UndiFineD> yes please
[11:32] <UndiFineD> at least twice current size
[11:32] <duanedesign> UndiFineD: is that the scrollback?
[11:32] <UndiFineD> yup
[11:33] <duanedesign> i totally agree
[11:33] <duanedesign> UndiFineD: in fact it is what i am working on right now :)
[11:33] <UndiFineD> oh great
[11:33] <duanedesign> UndiFineD: i am trying to make a Preferences Panel
[11:34] <duanedesign> UndiFineD: set the default encoding, bg color, etc
[11:35] <duanedesign> UndiFineD: thank you for taking the time to let me know. I like to hear how people are using it and what they want.
[11:36] <UndiFineD> I use it all the time, I made it my default
[11:36] <UndiFineD> and daily too
[11:38] <duanedesign> UndiFineD: i really like to be able to store commands as i come across them
[11:38] <duanedesign> some i may never even use, but i have them just in case :)
[11:39] <UndiFineD> duanedesign, maybe we should take this in private / other channel
[11:39] <duanedesign> wecan hop over to -team
[11:39] <UndiFineD> okee
[15:31] <bolod_chasha> Hi can anyone give me some advice?
[15:31] <rahul27> bolod_chasha, a bird in hand is better than two in a bush
[15:31] <rahul27> :)
[15:32] <rahul27> hows that ?
[15:32] <rahul27> :)
[15:32] <bolod_chasha> lol
[15:32] <bolod_chasha> I didnt get it :/
[15:32] <rahul27> bolod_chasha, never mind
[15:32] <bolod_chasha> rahul27, r u here to help me? -.-
[15:33] <rahul27> bolod_chasha, am in a meeting right now, will get to you once that is done
[15:33] <bolod_chasha> rahul27, ok
[15:33] <rahul27> in the meantime you could ask someone else
[15:44] <bolod_chasha> z
[15:44] <bolod_chasha> anyone else here can help me out?
[15:46] <drubin> bolod_chasha: help you with what?
[15:46] <drubin> we can't tell you if we can help unless we know what we are expected to help with
[15:46] <bolod_chasha> drubin, I have an unsupported USB Wimax Shuttle modem
[15:47] <bolod_chasha> drubin, I need to know how to make it work :/
[15:47] <drubin> bolod_chasha: your exact version and what version of ubuntu you are using
[15:47] <drubin> (but I can't help because I have no idea what a wimax shuttle modem is) but others might with more info
[15:48] <bolod_chasha> drubin, I'm using ubuntu 10.04
[15:48] <bolod_chasha> if anyone can help then pls let me know
[15:49] <drubin> bolod_chasha: be patient  sure some one will be able to help
[15:49] <bolod_chasha> drubin, ok
[15:49] <pip_> hey folks, does anybody know anything about loading a module into a kernel.  I'm trying to work around an acpi=off issue
[15:50] <drubin> pip_: is this part of install or just into an already installed system?
[15:51] <pip_> already installed.  I can't install without setting acpi=off
[15:52] <pip_> i can probably live with it as it is, I don't like not knowing how much battery I have though. BTW it's a laptop I'm using
[17:07] <shahan_> problem with removing LAMPP
[17:11] <stlsaint_mobile> what is the problem
[17:12] <shahan_> stlsaint_mobile, wait... I am doing a job on that prblem... informing within few minutes
[17:13] <stlsaint_mobile> :l
[17:14] <shahan_> stlsaint, I want to completely remove my LAMPP installation
[17:14] <shahan_> as its doing a lot of problem
[17:14] <shahan_> stlsaint_mobile, dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall$ | cut -f1 | xargs sudo dpkg --purge
[17:15] <shahan_> stlsaint_mobile,  I have paste this code on terminal
[17:15] <shahan_> and tried to completely remove the LAMPP
[17:15] <stlsaint_mobile> if you look on the Ubuntu wiki guide for lamp on community pages it gives command ti remove it
[17:15] <shahan_> but It seems didnt removed
[17:15] <stlsaint_mobile> I am on phone and can't go digging for it
[17:15] <shahan_> hmm
[17:15] <shahan_> ok
[17:16] <stlsaint_mobile> and lamp is just a group id apps
[17:16] <stlsaint_mobile> remove each app and you will have removed lamp
[17:17] <shahan_> stlsaint_mobile, when I type http://localhost   its still showing "Its working"
[17:28] <stlsaint_mobile> you have not removed Apache
[17:34] <franknstuff> I've had problems getting my wireless up on my laptop (ubuntu via wubi) - is there a problem with using a Gigabyte GN-US23L wireless adaptor ?
[17:34] <stlsaint_mobile> you may want to search for any bugs with that adapter
[17:35] <franknstuff> OK - thanks
[17:42] <franknstuff> oops - fatfingered it - the adapter is actually a Gigabyte Gigabyte GN-WS32L-RH - I found some things on thegeekoftheworld.com - thanks!
[17:46] <franknstuff> gnome-session-save doesn't seem to work on my install (10.04) - any ideas?
[18:05] <jdeslaur> so i have a hp dv1000 laptop ~ 5 years old and I can't seem to get lucid on it
[18:06] <jdeslaur> it appears to be a video issue
[18:06] <jdeslaur> anyone ever experienced this
[18:09] <pleia2> jdeslaur: does the installer not finish, or..?
[18:09] <pleia2> I have to use the alternate installer on some of my older systems
[18:09] <jdeslaur> i dont even get to the installer
[18:10] <pleia2> ok, you'll want to try the alternate installer
[18:10] <jdeslaur> i get the boot screen then the screen turns black
[18:10] <jdeslaur> IRC it works the same with wubi
[18:11] <pleia2> the alternate installer is text-based, so you don't have to worry about graphics until after the install, at which point you can actually tackle the graphics problem if it persists (can't really with the install media)
[18:11] <jdeslaur> ah nice
[18:11] <pleia2> it's a separate iso though, lemme find you the link
[18:11] <jdeslaur> thanks
[18:12] <pleia2> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/alternative-download
[18:48] <jdeslaur> active directory is out smarting me
[18:51] <UndiFineD> apt-get --purge remove msad
[18:58] <bioterror> apt-get purge sadkasd
[18:59] <bioterror> they invented purge command
[19:20] <_spacer_> can i ask a server related question here?
[19:20] <bioterror> why not
[19:21] <bioterror> !ask | _spacer_
[19:21] <ubot2> _spacer_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[19:21] <_spacer_> ok so i am trying to access my ubuntu server vi ssh
[19:21] <bioterror> via
[19:21] <bioterror> yes
[19:21] <_spacer_> i cannot, i could yesterday
[19:21] <_spacer_> as far as i know nothing has changed
[19:21] <bioterror> does it reply anyting?=
[19:21] <_spacer_> i cannot even ping it
[19:22] <_spacer_> but it does serve web pages no problem
[19:22] <bioterror> hmm
[19:22] <_spacer_> i can access my router set up
[19:22] <bioterror> sounds weird
[19:22] <_spacer_> i have mucked about with the forwared ports and still nothing
[19:23] <_spacer_> it is weird, thats why i have come here
[19:23] <bioterror> ssh should be on port 22
[19:24] <_spacer_> i was able to connect via 5901 up untill yesterday
[19:24] <bioterror> what
[19:24] <_spacer_> i was able to connect via 5901 up untill yesterday
[19:24] <bioterror> you have ssh on port 5901?
[19:24] <_spacer_> was
[19:24] <_spacer_> no good?
[19:25] <bioterror> can you access that computer locally atm?
[19:25] <nlsthzn> hey, silly question (as I am pretty sure I know the answer) - can Natty be run in Virtualbox with Unity enabled (or is the lack of 3D going to make than impossible)?
[19:25] <bioterror> or are you away
[19:25] <_spacer_> nope i am remote
[19:25] <hobgoblin> nlsthzn: I think it might possibly be a bit of an issue
[19:26] <bioterror> _spacer_, can you telnet to that port and confirm that sshd answers?
[19:26] <nlsthzn> ... so I guess I am wasting my time "testing" it out in Virtualbox then :/
[19:26] <_spacer_> ok nevermind i tried on 22, all good now
[19:26] <_spacer_> im in
[19:26] <bioterror> okay
[19:27] <bioterror> your configuration has been replaced by new one or something like that
[19:27] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[19:27] <_spacer_> thanks for your help,what file would that be?
[19:27] <hobgoblin> nlsthzn: you could always try :)
[19:27] <hobgoblin> not sure if the 'pretend' 3d in vbox would count
[19:29] <nlsthzn> hobgoblin: well, it is installed, just updating it, then going to install guest-additions... then I guess we will see :)
[19:29] <hobgoblin> let em know - I really can't be bothered to sort out a real natty install just yet :)
[19:30] <bioterror> _spacer_, /etc/ssh/sshd_config maybe?
[19:31] <bioterror> spacer, if you say you have used port 5901
[19:31] <_spacer_> ok i'll have a look there
[19:44] <_spacer_> thanks
[20:16] <bioterror> hi IAmNotThatGuy
[20:40] <Mjiig>  http://www.minecraft.net/play.jsp does that applet work for anyone? for me it stops on a black screen in both ff and chromium
[20:45] <MrAnthrope> Does the Run dialog come up?
[20:52] <Karti> Hi all, having trouble renaming a server. After searching I have changed /etc/hostname which does it but I appear to loose my eth0 afterwards - Any ideas?
[20:55] <Mjiig> MrAnthrope: sorry i missed you, it does, i click ok, then it goes black
[20:55] <bioterror> Karti, cat /etc/hosts
[20:56] <MrAnthrope> Hmm that is odd.
[20:56] <ibuclaw> Mjiig, I'll ask a minecraft player =)
[20:57] <MrAnthrope> I play minecraft :P
[20:57] <MrAnthrope> But I didn't have any problems at all.
[20:57] <MrAnthrope> Loaded right up after I installed Java.
[20:58] <ibuclaw> Mjiig, has it ever worked?
[20:58] <Mjiig> i can run the alpha version if i download it, but i'd quite like to try the free version before paying for the alpha
[20:58] <Mjiig> nope
[20:58] <Mjiig> but this is the first time i've tried
[20:58] <ibuclaw> probably missing a package
[20:58] <ibuclaw> ie: openjdk
[20:58] <MrAnthrope> Which java are you using?
[20:58] <MrAnthrope> The open one or the sun java?
[20:59] <Mjiig> MrAnthrope: not sure,  i think i'm using the open one
[20:59] <MrAnthrope> Mkay. I'm using sun-java
[20:59] <MrAnthrope> Go into synaptic and type sun-java into the search.
[20:59] <Mjiig> about:plugins says iced-tea
[20:59] <MrAnthrope> Yeah I actually tried that one and had to uninstall it.
[21:00] <MrAnthrope> Because it borked sun-java.
[21:00] <MrAnthrope> So that may be your problem.
[21:00] <ibuclaw> yep, sun-java is the one to use
[21:00] <ibuclaw> (he just replied)
[21:01] <bioterror> ahhh, that perfect and nice propietary piece of software
[21:01] <MrAnthrope> lol
[21:01] <Mjiig> bioterror: if it works...
[21:01] <bioterror> Mjiig, have you ever heard someone saying that opensource java works?-)
[21:01] <ibuclaw> although the package should be renamed
[21:02] <ibuclaw> s/sun/oracle/
[21:02] <bioterror> hah
[21:02] <MrAnthrope> Mjiig you want sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-jre from synaptic.... and I think one more...
[21:02] <MrAnthrope> Yea, sun-java6-plugin
[21:03] <ibuclaw> usually installing one installs them all
[21:03] <MrAnthrope> Oh does it?
[21:03] <ibuclaw> dependencies
[21:03] <MrAnthrope> Cool.
[21:04] <ibuclaw> actually... sun-java appears to not be in natty ^_^
[21:04] <Mjiig> those are in partners right?
[21:04] <Karti> bioterror, sorry for the delay. woul dyou like a paste bin address?
[21:04] <ibuclaw> Mjiig, maybe...
[21:04] <bioterror> Karti, edit that
[21:05] <ibuclaw> I don't think I have all repositories enabled... but then again I don't _need_ all enabled.
[21:05] <bioterror> partner is needed
[21:05] <bioterror> for the java
[21:06] <Mjiig> i just noticed an upgrade bug... when i try to enable partner rep
[21:06] <Party> hi
[21:07] <Mjiig> * repo with the GUI it enables the karmic one. I wonder if that's been reported
[21:08] <MrAnthrope> what is 'natty'?
[21:08] <MrAnthrope> natty lite?
[21:09] <MrAnthrope> lol. I'm going to make a wild guess not.
[21:09] <bioterror> Mjiig, you've something wrong in your /etc/apt/sources
[21:10] <bioterror> Mjiig, I wouldnt call it a bug
[21:11] <MrAnthrope> I hve VLC set to my default media player in Preferred Applications but some things still open with Movie Player when I double-click them. I have to r-click and select VLC manually.
[21:11] <Mjiig> bioterror: since i've never touched the partners line in the file until now, i don't think that's it. my guess is that it forgot to change them when i upgraded since they are commented out
[21:11] <MrAnthrope> What's the deal, yo?
[21:11] <bioterror> Mjiig, did you upgrade with do-release-upgrade?
[21:11] <Karti> bioterror, I have two clones. I have changed the /etc/hosts and /etc/hostnames on the two clones but I have lost both eth0 on each. The original is fine with lo and eth0 :(
[21:12] <Mjiig> once with do-release-upgrade, once with the GUI
[21:19] <kristian-aalborg> hmmm..... can I make my mbr simply point to (the mbr) of another drive?
[21:19] <ibuclaw> do-release-upgrade is awesome
[21:19] <ibuclaw> Mjiig, one option to note down:
[21:19] <ibuclaw> do-release-upgrade --sandbox
[21:20] <ibuclaw> mounts an aufs overlay over your entire system and does a release upgrade
[21:20] <ibuclaw> all is kept in memory, and never saved to disk. =)
[21:20] <Mjiig> ibuclaw: is that so that the changes aren't permanent, so you can check stuff out before committing
[21:20] <ibuclaw> Mjiig, yep
[21:20] <Mjiig> ibuclaw: interesting, i'll have a look at that when natty comes out
[21:21] <ibuclaw> basically, it's what a LiveCD does
[21:21] <ibuclaw> mounts a load of aufs over the "read-only" disk image of the system.
[21:21] <ibuclaw> aufs = another union file system
[21:22] <Mjiig> thanks for that, something for me to read up on :)
[21:23] <ibuclaw> on the note of natty
[21:24] <ibuclaw> duanedesign, can you login to normal desktop yet? :)
[21:24]  * ibuclaw 's system is still holding back from upgrading packages
[21:26] <Mjiig> how can i make sure ff is using the sun java rather than the open one?
[21:27] <ibuclaw> Mjiig, about:plugins
[21:27] <Mjiig> about:plugins says it's using iced tea
[21:27] <MrAnthrope> iced tea is trash, I uninstalled it.
[21:28] <Mjiig> is there a way to make ff use sun without uninstalling iced tea?
[21:28] <MrAnthrope> All it did is mess everything up.
[21:28] <ibuclaw> and make sure you restart the browser =)
[21:28] <MrAnthrope> I didn't keep it long enough to figure that out, Mjiig.
[21:29] <Mjiig> ibuclaw: have restarted
[21:29] <Mjiig> still using iced tea
[21:29] <MrAnthrope> OpenJDK is the open source java.
[21:29] <MrAnthrope> I have no idea what iced tea is supposed to be.
[21:29] <Mjiig> i'm pretty sure iced tea is the plugin for OpenJDK
[21:30] <MrAnthrope> That would make sense.
[21:30] <ibuclaw> Mjiig, I think it's based on
[21:36] <Mjiig> thankyou very much everybody, got it going now :)
[21:37] <Mjiig> (and all i had to do was completely replace OpenJKD :) )
[21:37] <MrAnthrope> yay :)
[21:37] <MrAnthrope> Enjoy minecraft.
[21:43] <Karti> bioterror, Th eactual problem was that the VMClone changed the eth0 to eth1 :) Freaky but looks like a few answers from teh net
[23:26] <kristian-aalborg> hi again... can someone help me save grub4dos?
[23:38] <kristian-aalborg> I have slitaz on hda and ubuntu on a compact flash disc via pcmcia... what should I add to menu.lst?
[23:39] <ibuclaw> kristian-aalborg, can't say for sure.
[23:40] <kristian-aalborg> hi ibuclaw
[23:40] <ibuclaw> it'd be best to bootup, and when grub loads, go straight into interactive mode
[23:40] <kristian-aalborg> one moment
[23:40] <ibuclaw> from there, you'd be able to *probe* the devices
[23:40] <kristian-aalborg> yup... I tried that but couldn't figure it out
[23:41] <kristian-aalborg> ok, in grub command line now
[23:42] <ibuclaw> vague memory tells me:
[23:42] <ibuclaw> find /boot/grub/stage2
[23:43] <ibuclaw> or find /boot/grub/stage1
[23:46] <kristian-aalborg> both gives (hd0.1), then appear to freeze


[03:52] <Catshrimp> As long as I specify other paritions such as /var /usr & /home, I shouldn't need to abide by the ubuntu policy of creating a 2GB / partition, should I?
[03:52] <Catshrimp> I can't remember if I read something relating to ubuntu not installing correctly if it didn't have a 2GB / or not
[05:03] <NineTeen67Comet> This the correct chennel to ask NFS related questions? I've got a 6.10 Server and a 6.10 Workstation .. Server has /etc/exports with /media/shared <IP_ADDRESS>(sync,no_root_squash,rw) and the client (<IP_ADDRESS>) has /etc/fstab as <IP_ADDRESS>:/media/shared /media/shared-server nfs defaults 0 0 .. I also tried users,rw,noatime in place of defaults . yet still I can not write to that NFS share .. ideas?
[09:34] <eilker> i am gonna have  a dedicated server for my web sites,
[09:34] <eilker> thinking of installing ubuntu server
[09:34] <eilker> but i dont know how to manage it, because there will be no gui, scare of it...
[09:41] <eilker> anyone here :) ??
[11:58] <shwag> Do I need to install a SMP kernel or something? Top is only showing use on one of my processors.


[12:49] <dewman> rhpot1991, I found a single tuner (hdhomerun) on ebay for $35.00 and free shipping. Found it due to a mis-categorized listing. =)
[15:50] <emanuelez> hello. how do I access the backend setup after the configuration?
[15:56] <qwebirc29073> hi all
[15:56] <qwebirc29073> есть кто говорящий по русски
[16:36] <henkpoley> If I want sound to go to speakers *and* AUX (line-out) how do I do that ?
[18:15] <emanuelez> hello. how do I access the backend setup after the installation?
[18:16] <emanuelez> or... how do i access a terminal without ssh?
[19:23] <babelfish1> been a long time mythtv user but just looking now at moving into the digital age (been using a pvr-350 so i'd been reluctant), anyone know of a good resource out there issues like, using an HDTV for output vs a big-ass monitor, or what capture cards are the rage these days?
[19:23] <Zinn> babelfish1: Please watch your language.
[19:23] <babelfish1> um, can do
[20:01] <tgm4883> babelfish1, for digital, HDHomerun is pretty nice
[23:59] <dewman> babelfish1, if you hunt ebay you can find some somewhat decent deals, also newegg runs specials every-now and HDHomeruns. I just got a single tuner yesterday on ebay for 35 and free shipping, it was mis-categorized and the spelling was off. =)