[00:03] <popey> anyone know how you switch to the TTY in kvm?
[00:03]  * popey bets penguin42 would know :)
[00:05] <penguin42> huh what where?
[00:06] <penguin42> popey: so you've got a guest and you want to pass it the equivalent of ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[00:06] <penguin42> popey: What client are you using - virt-manager?
[00:06] <popey> exactly
[00:06] <popey> just kvm launched from a terminal
[00:06] <popey> hardcore ㋛
[00:07] <penguin42> oh, that's weird :-)
[00:07] <penguin42> popey: Do you have a View menu with compat-monitor 0   on it?
[00:07] <popey> no menus
[00:08] <penguin42> hmm
[00:08] <daftykins> is this using 'virsh' ? (i'm googling :D )
[00:08] <penguin42> popey: Yeh so when you say kvm from the command line; what are you actually running ,qemu directly, or virsh or what?
[00:08] <popey> kvm
[00:09] <popey> kvm -m blah -hda foo etc
[00:09] <penguin42> I *think* that's an alias for qemu - yeh
[00:09] <popey> root     22919 37.1 13.0 2577572 2130808 pts/36 Sl+ Mar07   7:53 qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 2048 -hda /dev/sdc
[00:09] <popey> looks that way
[00:09] <penguin42> popey: if you type ctrl-a c  in the terminal where you started it   do you get a (qemu) prompt ?
[00:10] <popey> no because my kvm is inside a screen
[00:10] <popey> so my screen will give me a new window
[00:10] <penguin42> then type ctrl-a a c
[00:10] <popey> nope
[00:10] <popey> I get ^Ac in my terminal
[00:10] <popey> gonna tell me I should use some frontend or something?
[00:10] <popey> and not be so ghetto
[00:11] <penguin42> popey: Yeh well I normally do or run non-graphical in which case I get the serial prompt and can switch with ctrl-a c
[00:11] <popey> hmmm
[00:11] <penguin42> popey: if you're not seeing any menus I wonder what you're running; I think the gtk front end is probably what gives me menus on the fedora build
[00:12] <penguin42> popey: I wonder if it's the SDL build you've got
[00:12] <popey> could be, the window isnt super useful
[00:12] <daftykins> can't believe it's a year since flight MH370 already
[00:12] <popey> it doesn't resize well
[00:13] <popey> i suspect the menu / gtk bit is more part of the virt-manager gui
[00:13] <penguin42> popey: No, this isn't virt-manager
[00:13] <popey> oh
[00:13] <penguin42> popey: I'm running pure qemu on f21 here and still getting a menu
[00:14]  * popey installs virtmanager
[00:14] <penguin42> oh yeh, no menus on the Ubuntu build
[00:14] <popey> its pulling in a different qemu build
[00:16] <penguin42> popey: OK, add the following to your kvm line   -chardev stdio,id=mon -mon mon
[00:16] <popey> k
[00:16] <penguin42> you should now have a (qemu) prompt
[00:16] <popey> \o/ i do
[00:16] <penguin42> great
[00:16]  * popey makes notes
[00:17] <penguin42> popey: Now you can type at that prompt   sendkey ctrl-alt-f1
[00:17] <popey> win
[00:17] <popey> thanks!
[00:17] <penguin42> no problem
[04:54] <mapp> yo
[10:05] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:35] <popey> pip pip
[10:54] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:23] <SuperEngineer> Id it Thursday yet? I want my chocolate coffee beans ordered last night.
[11:23] <SuperEngineer> *Is
[11:28] <brobostigon> :)
[11:28]  * brobostigon should have recieved his new d20 dice set, tmrw.
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> oooh, what do the new shiny dice look like?
[11:38] <brobostigon> they are a transparent white, blue writing, with flecks on the inside.
[11:39]  * zmoylan-pi avoids transparent dice as they can be hard to read sometimes depending on the surrounds.
[11:39] <brobostigon> yes, however i have already got a transparent set, and i think with enough colour contrast, it isnt a huge problem.
[11:40] <brobostigon> my current transparent set, is black writing on white, they are fairly easy to read.
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> i also once bought a nice set with celtic style engraving around the numbers and they are a bugger to read
[11:42] <brobostigon> yes, i can imagine,
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> so these days stick to an opaque dark with bright numbers on them styles
[11:43] <brobostigon> :)
[12:07] <zmoylan-pi> though i am always tempted to hunt down a d-total... http://www.dicecollector.com/D24_ALEXANDER_SIMKIN_GAMESCIENCE_D_TOTAL_01.jpg
[14:18] <steini> Hi
[14:19] <penguin42> hey
[14:22] <steini> penguin42, I'm trying to get some help with a problem. Is this a support channel ?
[14:23] <penguin42> steini: Not really, you're better to ask in #ubuntu
[14:24] <steini> Ok, I have already tried that.
[15:32] <mapp> well
[15:32] <mapp> thats annoying
[15:33] <mapp> had hoped for cheap flights from gib -> manchester but nothing under £160 .i wanted £10 lol
[15:33] <penguin42> eek, can't have you coming here....
[15:33] <mapp> thought to manchester would be way cheaper than to Heathrow
[15:33] <mapp> so id use my free flights to heathrow
[15:33] <penguin42> mapp: The only really cheap flights here seem to be Ryanair
[15:33] <mapp> yea and they dont fly to gib
[15:34] <SuperEngineer> mapp, did you look under the "I'm prepared to hang on the wings" option?
[15:34] <mapp> only got sleazyJET Monarch and BA
[15:34] <mapp> lol
[15:34] <penguin42> I'd have assumed sleazyjet would be the most likely
[15:34] <shauno> buy a boat :)
[15:34] <mapp> i dont need to go back ..i just planned on using my 2 free flights )(max £250) to go back to Heathrow ..and get a cheap flight back to Manchester and taxi to stoke
[15:34] <penguin42> a taxi to stoke would cost you more wouldn't it?
[15:35] <mapp> yea lol
[15:35] <penguin42> easier to just get the train
[15:35] <mapp> £45-50 each way
[15:35] <mapp> usually just get Ahmed to take us to the airport (we got the same taxi everyday to the casino) lol
[15:35] <mapp> yea but with a case penguin42?
[15:35] <penguin42> mapp: Not that big a hastle if it's just the one; train from airport-piccadilly, piccadilly-stoke
[15:36] <penguin42> stoke-oblivion
[15:36] <mapp> hm
[15:36] <mapp> yea
[15:36] <mapp> maybe
[15:36] <mapp> but the platform for asirport was miles from main picadilly stations
[15:36] <mapp> well not miles
[15:36] <mapp> got the train to manchester airport when i went to Holland
[15:37] <mapp> work pay for the flights anyway upto 250 so i might just pay for taxi
[15:37] <penguin42> mapp: Oh if you do use the train, use the train not the tram; there's now a tram from the airport to manc city centre, but it goes a long long way around
[15:38] <mapp> oh didnt know that
[15:39] <penguin42> mapp: Why stoke? Home?
[15:41] <mapp> where i lived for 7years so still have a house and stuff there
[15:41] <mapp> home is the Surrey area i prefer to say
[15:41] <mapp> i just lived in stoke;p
[15:42] <penguin42> ah ok, so you escaped....
[15:43] <mapp> incredible really here.we pay £1600 3 bed in gib
[15:43] <mapp> my friend just moved here..800 euros 3 bed in La Linea
[15:44] <mapp> rachel pays 500 for a 3 bed!
[15:44] <mapp> 800 euros is right near the border..but la linea is a dump;[
[15:44] <daftykins> O_O
[15:44] <daftykins> afty
[15:47] <mapp> ;]
[15:47] <knightwise> hey everyone
[15:48] <daftykins> hey o/
[15:48] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nNMrDqZcj8
[15:48] <daftykins> xbox news at GDC video :D very exciting
[15:48] <daftykins> talks about upcoming Windows 10 integration
[16:02]  * penguin42 is getting drawn to the idea of buying an ice cream maker
[16:02] <daftykins> :O
[16:03]  * penguin42 has been making chocolate sorbet by hand for the last few years, and well they always come out quite rough and it is a faff
[16:04] <penguin42> but, they're ~£200 so hmm
[16:06] <penguin42> If I run it 10 times a year, and it's guarantee is 5 years, and assuming it dies immediately after the guarantee, then that's #4/batch which is way more than the ingredient cost
[16:07] <daftykins> you're forgetting how popular your house will become in these calculations of course ;)
[16:07] <penguin42> that would be a big downside
[16:07] <daftykins> lol
[16:07] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... buy £200 worth of choclate sorbet instead?
[16:08] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Well, you see that is the calculation
[16:08] <SuperEngineer> no hassle - all nom nom
[16:09] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Although finding chocolate sorbet to buy is actually quite hard
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> ..bring it home, let it melt into a sealed bag - refreeze... then you even made it yourself!
[16:10] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I didn't know such a wonderful thing existed into a gellato place near hear started selling it and it was wonderful - but then they closed down, and anyway it was very expensive
[16:10] <mapp> hmm
[16:11] <mapp> trying to install wordpress..getting errors..denied when making the tables
[16:11] <mapp> yet i created a new user in mysql and granted privileges on the wordpress db
[16:11] <mapp> O_O
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, take £200 into a shop - I bet they'll obtaain some for you!
[16:11] <mapp> at udea?
[16:12] <mapp> ant
[16:12] <mapp> any
[16:12] <mapp> arghh
[16:12] <celesteh> Hey, I'm having an issue with latex, that seems to be a font issue, but I see the font under my font manager. This si the error: http://pastebin.com/70q4XxyD
[16:13] <celesteh> mapp: what errors?
[16:13] <SuperEngineer> or - any ant at udea ? even
[16:13] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fCP6bC8IaZm7mm_Mx0LmhKYZ2u2QxX7naeGdhq1-wko/edit#gid=0   see it's a very simple recipe although I've been trying to add Xanthan gum last year to make it smoother and it's not really helping
[16:13] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, add evostick instead
[16:13] <mapp> permession enied to create the tables
[16:13] <mapp> ;((((((
[16:14] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I'm not sure there's much difference
[16:14] <celesteh> mapp: cut and paste to paste bin?   I only use it once a year or so for conference papers.
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, won't a blender smooth it out & maybe make it a bit "fluffier" even?
[16:17] <mapp> dont you have to specify the user to give all perms daftykins
[16:17] <mapp> no me celesteh;/
[16:17] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: After freezing?
[16:18] <daftykins> mapp: but it was empty, so freshly created then you set the user+pass with full perms?
[16:18] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, pre-freezing - just before it goes sub-zero, as it were
[16:18] <daftykins> mapp: you're breaking the famous wordpress 5 min install XD
[16:18] <SuperEngineer> ..just an idea - no proof
[16:18] <mapp> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES  on WORDPRESS.* TO 'wordpress'@'localhost' no?
[16:18] <mapp> hahaha daftykins
[16:18] <mapp> yea
[16:18] <mapp> no tables just empty db
[16:18] <mapp> then did the above
[16:18]  * penguin42 tries to do maths to justify this ice cream maker
[16:19] <mapp> which i read in the docs..isnt that right?
[16:19] <daftykins> sec i've got my notepad upstairs with notes on the process
[16:19] <mapp> ;]
[16:20] <mapp> deff got te db created i checked..got a user wordpress with a pass set..didnt wanna use root ;p and did the above grant cmd
[16:20] <daftykins> yes you would not use root
[16:20] <daftykins> never ever :>
[16:21] <daftykins> i should reinstall my VMs today, 10.04 is nearly dead :O
[16:24] <daftykins> mapp: GRANT ALL ON wordpress.* TO 'user'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY "password";
[16:27] <daftykins> yet another wonky disk in #ubuntu - wowzer
[16:28] <daftykins> this whole 'all my important data on one mechanical drive' approach is frighteningly common
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, all my media & docs are on a separate partion, which is backed off onto a 2nd disk for safety... people think I'm daft - I am daft [& proud of it]... but I am the one who laughs at them when they ask for help
[16:30] <daftykins> =]
[16:54] <bashrc> I now have a pretty good server backup system
[17:48] <daftykins> http://www.unrelatedshit.com/2014/07/30/kvm-too-fast-for-plymouth-upstart-bridge/
[17:48] <daftykins> *chuckle*
[17:48] <daftykins> VM on an SSD starts too fast :>
[17:50] <shauno> I used to have this issue on my laptop
[17:50] <daftykins> :D
[17:50] <shauno> my wallpaper kept disappearing.  it took me a while to figure out why - my pictures are on spinning rust, my OS is on SSD
[17:50] <penguin42> daftykins: Haha that's fun
[17:51] <daftykins> do you even need plymouth stuff on a pure CLI server VM 0o
[17:51] <shauno> and this was the first thing it loaded from the hdd, so it gave up 'waiting' for the drive to spin up
[17:51] <daftykins> :D
[17:52] <shauno> and there's a lot of cruft on ubuntu VMs that doesn't make sense.  I'm still not entirely sure what console-kit is, let alone why I need 20 copies of it on a VM
[17:53] <daftykins> 1022MB used for a clean install of 14.04.1 32-bit fully updated and old kernel + package cache cleared
[17:53] <daftykins> (thus it became 14.04.2 but with a 3.13 kernel still)
[17:53] <penguin42> 20 copies?!
[17:55] <daftykins> what's the package? i just grep'd dpkg -l for 'console' and see console-setup
[18:01] <shauno> hm, trying to find a VM I haven't stripped to barebones  heh
[18:03] <daftykins> do you use the full ISOs or mini.iso?
[18:03] <shauno> usually the -server iso
[18:04] <daftykins> i select nothing in tasksel so i'm not sure i'd get any difference
[18:07] <shauno> hm, I'll have to take a poke at a fresh image when I get home
[18:07] <shauno> most of mine have been scraped down to <5 processes  lol
[18:09] <daftykins> i only give my little web server VM 256MB of RAM, maybe i shouldn't use ubuntu anymore
[18:09] <zmoylan-pi> my pi has more ram... :-)
[18:10] <daftykins> yes well, the least said about that the better ;)
[18:10] <zmoylan-pi> only seems to use 120mb on a day to day basis
[18:15] <daftykins> wow there's a lot of junk, all wireless tools packages and everything
[18:20] <daftykins> wireless-regdb wants to remove the kernel :D
[18:23] <diddledan> well done automattic: http://torrentfreak.com/wordpress-wins-25000-from-dmca-takedown-abuser-150305/
[18:23] <diddledan> for every reference in that article to "wordpress" swap it for "automattic" and it'll be correct
[18:24] <daftykins> wow
[18:38] <penguin42> diddledan: $960 for the author, $1860 for their employee work and $22264 for attorney fees :-(
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> they don't expect to see a penny from the news item i read. they just see it as a nice legal slap against the idiot doing the dmca takedowns
[18:44] <diddledan> https://vimeo.com/96558506
[18:44] <diddledan> funny
[18:47] <diddledan> apple are announcing the rumoured iThingy tomorrow?
[18:48] <shauno> seem's the win's worth more than the money.  for california to collect a judgement from 'straight pride UK' sounds rather difficult
[18:48] <diddledan> 10am PDT
[18:48] <penguin42> shauno: Oh yeh, it's just the proportions that feel so wrong
[18:48] <diddledan> shauno, aye, I wonder how the court mandates a uk entity to pay a us fine
[18:49] <shauno> and the 9th is a bit brave of Apple.  sounds like they've finally pulled off a DST switch without breaking the phone
[18:49] <diddledan> I suppose the uk entity opened themselves up to it by using a us law
[18:49] <shauno> which is quite lucky, the day before they push their watch  lol
[18:50] <diddledan> speaking of DST and iPhone, I wonder how many fanbois are gonna miss it
[18:51] <zmoylan-pi> they were an hour late because they forgot to change their clocks? :-)
[18:51] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, the iphone is supposed to do it for them. but it fails.
[18:51] <shauno> right, that's what I was referring to :)
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> ms has a blind spot for leap years. and don't get me started on american date formats...
[18:53] <shauno> have I idea no talking you're about :)
[18:54] <popey> ebenink
[18:55]  * penguin42 wonders if that was a password or almost what you use to draw on an eink display
[19:01] <mapp> ah nice and sunny
[19:01]  * mapp wore shorts and tshirt out:D
[19:01] <mapp> bank holiday here tomorrow too..wonder if it means sunday night's busy like in the UK
[19:03] <zmoylan-pi> it's officially spring when you can walk barefoot in bathroom and not freeze on contact with floor... :-)
[19:03] <mapp> my floors get cold ..marbel floor but thats good for summer
[19:03] <mapp> else il struggle with the 30+ i think
[19:04] <mapp> next year il have to decide whether i pay the £1000+ and stay in gib or move to spain ...i love being near work is all;/
[19:04] <mapp> well love because it means i spend no time travelling:D
[19:09] <mapp> yay wordpress done
[19:09] <mapp> thx daftykins i had the GRANT ALL slightly wrong
[19:11] <daftykins> np
[19:11] <daftykins> see, lovely paper notes ;)
[19:12] <mapp> ASRGH
[19:12] <mapp> cursor frozen again
[19:12] <daftykins> o0
[19:12] <mapp> happens loads to me on win8
[19:12] <daftykins> factory install? ;)
[19:12] <mapp> ja
[19:19] <popey> penguin42: it was "evening" :)
[19:41] <mapp> gah
[19:41] <mapp> gain problems with squidGuard
[20:16] <diddledan> just watching cloud atlas - the wachowskis got the dude who played agent smith in the matrixes to say a similar line to one he said in that. namely "there's a natural order to things"
[20:23] <shauno> but they didn't get him to wear a faaabulous dress
[20:23] <diddledan> o_O
[20:25] <shauno> you haven't seen priscilla?!
[20:25] <diddledan> nupe
[20:26] <diddledan> is he in that then?
[20:26] <shauno> oh dear god man.  go rent it from tpb or something
[20:26] <shauno> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2215216128/tt0109045
[20:26] <shauno> that is one of the more tasteful outfits featured  lol
[20:27] <Myrtti> :-D
[20:27] <Myrtti> yeah, Priscilla ruined sooooo many films for me
[20:28] <shauno> :D
[20:28] <shauno> the best part was, I never put 2+2 together in my head.  watched the matrix, watched lotr, nada
[20:28] <shauno> caught priscilla again on TV after those, and everything clicked into place
[20:29] <Myrtti> Lord of the Rings, Matrixes, Memento and LA Confidential...
[20:30] <shauno> Oh for goodness sake, Look at yourself Mitzi!
[20:37] <foobarry> just bought a hudl2 \o/
[20:38] <diddledan> ooh
[20:38] <diddledan> whatcha di that fer :-p
[20:38] <diddledan> do*
[20:38] <popey> hehe
[20:38] <popey> I just threw mine away
[20:39] <foobarry> :P
[20:39] <popey> :)
[20:39] <foobarry> at end of the day , couldn't really compare to other tablets when i had tesco bouchers to use
[20:40] <foobarry> was insterested to see the pricey latest samsung tab has 1.5gb ram and not the 2gb of the hudl
[20:40] <popey> my brother bought a samsung galaxy tab 4
[20:40] <popey> pretty but man they put some crap on that device
[20:40] <foobarry> tesco have some crap on it too
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> all the android tablets seem to have crapware shoveled on
[20:41] <foobarry> hudl is less likely to get a custom rom on it too
[20:41] <foobarry> mind you mind wife's glaaxy tab 10.1 doesn't have a stbale recent rom either
[20:42] <zmoylan-pi> i love watching a pile of apps i never use firing them selves up and taking ram and i can't remove them
[20:43] <popey> hudl is less likely to get any kind of update at all
[20:43] <popey> they throw it over the wall and forget it
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> the tesco way
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> another dvd successfully ripped
[20:44] <daftykins> here's a fun cooking activity to do with youngsters - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hxd8shzpv7tlwy5/AABg8FdPRi4Hwk7pHmtYSuFAa?dl=0
[20:44] <daftykins> :D
[20:44] <foobarry> going in with my eyes open
[20:44] <popey> yeah, my kids make flapjack all the time
[20:45] <popey> tis yummy
[20:45] <popey> especially with apple or sultanas in it
[20:45] <popey> or both
[20:45] <daftykins> :o
[20:45] <popey> and cinnamon
[20:45] <popey> nom
[20:46] <daftykins> so amazed at squeezeable golden syrup these days, when i was taught doing it as a kid, it was just those tins it was impossible to get a spoon out of
[20:46] <foobarry> wife does flapjack with ginger
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> you had to work to get your syrup, none of this new namby pamby easy flo bottles
[20:47] <foobarry> washing up the spoon was impossible unless you sucked it off
[20:48] <popey> yeah, i had never seen squeezable golden syrup before that photo above
[20:48] <popey> it's not right :)
[20:48] <popey> just like squeezable jam and squeezable marmite
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> or just chuck it at the ceiling and leave it there :-)
[20:48] <popey> all wrong
[20:48] <daftykins> XD
[20:49] <daftykins> i'm impressed at the above phrasing sneaking by without diddledan waking up
[20:54] <mapp> gotta be up early tomorow
[20:54] <mapp> friend gets here 11am
[20:54] <mapp> grmpf
[20:54] <mapp> could leave apartment door open but then he wont be able to get into the building;(
[20:55] <foobarry> key on a rope
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of telephonic communication to let you know they've arrived..
[21:00] <daftykins> walkie talkies
[21:00] <shauno> doorbell.  11am isn't early :p
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> that's why i always have a whistle on my keyring.  comes in handy for communicating in crowds or over distance :-)
[21:02] <popey> i had to throw stones at the window once to get wifey to come down and let me in
[21:02] <popey> she'd left keys in the door
[21:03] <daftykins> my parents would do that all the time :( it was a subtle hint to move out, i think
[21:03] <popey> hah
[21:03] <popey> one of the neighbours came home and asked if I wanted to kip on her sofa
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> that and renting out your room... :-)
[21:03] <popey> eventually wifey woke up
[21:06] <dogmatic69> I am about to buy my first steam game...
[21:06]  * popey falls over
[21:06] <popey> what you getting?
[21:06] <dogmatic69> cities
[21:06] <daftykins> first O_O
[21:07] <dogmatic69> http://store.steampowered.com/app/255710/
[21:07] <popey> i should stop buying games on steam till i finish the ones I have
[21:07] <dogmatic69> :D
[21:07] <popey> yeah, i saw that, looks good fun
[21:07] <popey> seems spendy to me
[21:07] <dogmatic69> I dont play much, but sim city has always been my fav
[21:07] <daftykins> Ori and the Blind Forest comes out for xbox one on Wednesday \o/
[21:07] <popey> I'd wait for a sale
[21:07] <popey> eek, i have 219 games on steam now
[21:08] <popey> only started using it when they made a Linux client
[21:08] <dogmatic69> eh. and £20 is spendy...
[21:09] <daftykins> that's more games than i've had since the platform first started XD
[21:37] <daftykins> last night i was just into bed when i suddenly deeply desired an explanation for the end credit theme from 'Frasier'
[21:37] <daftykins> http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2012/04/story-behind-tossed-salad-and-scrambled.html
[21:37] <daftykins> :D
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> when you spend 10 minutes taking a phone apart looking for the memory card slot...
[21:52] <daftykins> did it have one?
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> yup, i inserted a card into it last year
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> the inside of the phone is matt black, the card is matt black, the card is tiny, there are dozens of little corners and sticky out bits...
[21:54] <daftykins> was it really a card slot so much as a crevice? :D
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> took out the battery, removed the sim, poked at various other bits till i found the flush cover of the slot on outside of the phone...
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> i thought by ejecting the card and sticking it in usb reader i'd save time instead of transferring it over usb cable which is painfully slow when copying 10gb of music
[21:56] <daftykins> still slow eh? :)
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> 30minutes to go, might be the card methinks
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> not sure why...
[21:57] <daftykins> Class 10 / UHS 1?
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> it's inside a reader flush in this laptop so can't read it's designation.  annoying little sod #1 will do as a name till i get a chance...
[21:58] <daftykins> :D
[21:59] <zmoylan-pi> other than slow transfer speeds it hasn't given any trouble so i'm not sure if i'll take a hammer to it. considering how often the phone it's been in has been dropped it's taken a bit of abuse
[22:15] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/574687287298166784/photo/1
[22:15] <daftykins> :D
[22:15] <daftykins> i think i'd get concerning looks if i made Mischief a cat sized bed
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have moved into crazy cat person zone
[22:16] <zmoylan-pi> just place cardboard box in cat sacrifice zone and be done
[22:17] <Myrtti> pwaah. finally after a week of nearly every nights efforts, we managed to narrow down the amount of wedding portrait photos that we want to 12.
[22:17] <daftykins> crikey
[22:17] <Myrtti> who knew looking at photos of yours... oh actually.
[22:18] <Myrtti> I actually did know I've got a chronic problem at looking at photos of myself.
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> get a relative who's taste you trust to make the decision?
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> or suggestions?
[22:20] <Myrtti> nah.
[22:21] <Myrtti> me and hubby just vetoed each other
[22:21] <Myrtti> and even still ended up with 7 pictures more than what is included in the price of the photoshoot
[22:34] <mapp> what to do now
[22:34] <zmoylan-pi> invent a time machine
[22:34] <zmoylan-pi> or a working jetpack
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> or antigravity
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> get back to us when you have a working prototype :-)
[22:35] <daftykins> and have a friend clued in so we get posted youtube vids
[22:36] <Myrtti> I wonder do non-geeky businesses realise what kind of reliability problems they have if they use an @aol.com or hotmail.com or yahoo.com or gmail.com email addresses as their contact address
[22:36] <shauno> surely if he invents a time machine, he can tell us about it now :)
[22:38] <shauno> curious, what problems?
[22:38] <daftykins> yeah - what reliability?
[22:39] <zmoylan-pi> maybe it's a sucky time machine that will only work within the paramaters of when he invented it and when he uses it so that it will only allow the earliest time to be arrived at as a moment after it is invented...
[22:39] <diddledan> perception problems, yeah I'll give that
[22:39] <Myrtti> I just feel iffy
[22:39] <zmoylan-pi> hotmail was fairly sucky after ms bought it but has stayed up for last while
[22:39] <zmoylan-pi> gmail is fairly bulletproof
[22:39] <Myrtti> especially when they've got their own domain their site is on, and still listing @aol.com address on it
[22:40] <Myrtti> WHY
[22:40] <Myrtti> WHY DO YOU DO THAT
[22:40] <Myrtti> whyyyyyy
[22:40] <zmoylan-pi> because what matters to you doesn't seem important to them
[22:40] <zmoylan-pi> it's strange but true
[22:40] <Myrtti> I know.
[22:41] <Myrtti> it just... bah. I wish I was less geeky sometimes
[22:41] <zmoylan-pi> likewise if you drive and have a friend who sells/fixes cars some of your car choices will baffle them
[22:41] <shauno> most the big free providers are a huge step up from using the address their isp provides  (do ISPs still do that?)
[22:41] <zmoylan-pi> same for all specialities
[22:41] <zmoylan-pi> depends on how old the isp is and what country they are in
[22:42] <zmoylan-pi> i can't see russian isps saying go use gmail :-)
[22:42] <shauno> my bigger o_O is when people use addresses like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:43] <shauno> and you just have to stare at it and think - that's on your CV?
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> some people don't see the inappropiateness of that
[22:43] <zmoylan-pi> they've used it so long they're blind to it
[22:45] <shauno> speaking of reliability, seems bifolk will reboot my mailserver tomorrow night
[22:45] <diddledan> bifolk?
[22:45] <shauno> I understand why & I'm not complaining, but in the context of convo .. I can't imagine gmail getting rebooted any time soon ;)
[22:45] <shauno> bitfolk lol
[22:45] <shauno> trust you
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> well they probably reboot bits of it all the time and shuffle peoples accounts to other parts of it that still up
[22:46] <daftykins> diddledan: you missed a corker earlier
[22:48] <diddledan> lol
[22:48] <diddledan> that was a corker
[22:48] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, n0rty!
[22:49] <daftykins> actually it was foobarry on this occasion ;)
[22:50]  * diddledan rechecks
[22:50] <diddledan> aah, yes
[22:50] <diddledan> lucky spoon
[22:51] <diddledan> I saw zmoylan-pi's utterance the line directly above
[22:52] <diddledan> i.e. <zmoylan-pi> you had to work to get your syrup, none of this new namby pamby easy flo bottles
[22:52] <diddledan> combined with his later utterance: <zmoylan-pi> or just chuck it at the ceiling and leave it there :-)
[22:53] <daftykins> :)
[22:53] <diddledan> really you can't talk about golden syrup without it degenerating
[22:53] <shauno> no no no
[22:53] <daftykins> i ate all that flapjack in one sitting.
[22:53] <shauno> we can't talk about golden syrup without *you* degenerating
[22:54] <diddledan> I don't think it's possible for me to degenerate any further than normal
[23:01] <zmoylan-pi> he's like the doctor and only has a limited number of degenerations? :-P
[23:02] <shauno> I've known dan for far too long.  this must be a very high number.
[23:02] <popey> wait, you know wachother in the big blue room?
[23:03] <shauno> nah, just another one of these rooms
[23:03] <shauno> it's not just down the corridor - it's in another building.  but it's certainly not blue
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> probably is blue if you close the door on his hand...
[23:08] <diddledan> sleepy time for me
[23:13] <daftykins> diddledan: wow are you on normal time?
[23:15] <shauno> I'm trying to keep mostly normal atm :/
[23:16] <shauno> waiting for some deliveries, and we have ninja postmen.  it takes an all-day vigil to catch them
[23:16] <daftykins> :D
[23:16] <daftykins> i had that last week
[23:16] <daftykins> i still remember the smile on the wee post-lass with the cyle helmet's face
[23:17] <shauno> d'awww
[23:17] <daftykins> must've been something about my appearance, dashing from bed and throwing trousers on
[23:17] <shauno> well, be glad you thought of that much
[23:17] <daftykins> that's a point, if we call them postpersons... does that make them some form of evolution beyond us?
[23:18] <shauno> 'postie' works for me
[23:18] <shauno> trying to specify their species seems a tad redundant
[23:18] <daftykins> yeah i say that too :D
[23:18] <daftykins> i was more thining the PC phrase for gender neutrality
[23:18] <daftykins> +k
[23:19] <shauno> 'postie' achieves this too.  and doesn't even discriminate against when they eventually get replaced with flying robots.
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> you wouldn't send a valuable robot into a place you send a human postie
[23:21] <shauno> I'm looking forward to it.  helicopters should be less sneaky than an post's ninjas
[23:21] <shauno> either that, or get Amazon to use DPD.  they're already the future as far as I'm concerned
[23:23] <daftykins> i think they stopped operating in Guernsey
[23:23] <shauno> reminds me, one of my packages has been 'out for delivery' since 6am friday.  I'm tempted to believe he's actually spent the last 3 days driving around trying to find my house :)
[23:23] <daftykins> shauno: must be those mismatched spelling signs
[23:45] <mapp> installig postfix dovecot etc on my pi
[23:45] <mapp> just messing about really
[23:45] <mapp> ;d
[23:47] <daftykins> ooooh dear :P
[23:47] <daftykins> quick, /away away ;D
[23:47] <mapp> ;]
[23:47] <mapp> irritates me that its so hard to order pff amazon here
[23:47] <mapp> :Z
[23:47] <mapp> why is it
[23:47] <mapp> laptops..tvs..phones.cant order anything to gib..spain like 5mins from border is fine
[23:47] <mapp> but gib..nope
[23:48] <mapp> so every time i have to get it sent to my friend
[23:48] <mapp> or pay more in a local shop lol
[23:49] <daftykins> try living here and going on ebay
[23:49] <daftykins> "may not shop to Guernsey"
[23:49] <daftykins> from London.
[23:49] <mapp> heh
[23:49] <mapp> but can you use amazon/
[23:49] <mapp> seriously most things say no man
[23:49] <mapp> 9/10 phone cables i couldnt even get shipped here
[23:50] <daftykins> yeah, sometimes marketplace seller say no too though
[23:50] <mapp> my friends torn his knee front ligament or something..so he cant come to Gibraltar this april..and means we cant go to slovakia as planned;/
[23:50] <mapp> says it takes 6months to heal
[23:50] <daftykins> =|
[23:50] <mapp> see thats whack why cant i order..I mean EVERYTHING man..my lenovo laptop..i tried LOADS and loads of laptops
[23:50] <mapp> all fine to UK/Spain.gib..nope
[23:50] <mapp> is that not weird?
[23:51] <mapp> so im limited to the rubbish choice in local shops
[23:51] <mapp> or get it sent elsewhere
[23:51] <daftykins> hey i thought your new laptop was another brand
[23:51] <mapp> Lenovo
[23:51] <daftykins> did you get it between September and December?
[23:51] <mapp> i got a Toshiba before i left
[23:51] <mapp> i got 2;p
[23:51] <mapp> i bought a toshiba 17inch to bring to gib then left it in UK my bag was too heavy
[23:52] <mapp> took my samsung rv520/samsung nc10/nexus7/ipad air
[23:52] <mapp> then my rv520 broke:( so i ordered a lenovo
[23:52] <daftykins> but was it September to December? :P
[23:52] <mapp> wish id taken the 17inch and left the 15 now
[23:52] <mapp> ya i think so why
[23:52] <daftykins> did you check whether it's got superfish on it? or whatever that name was
[23:52] <mapp> man so annoying brand new toshiba and i left it at home..i wanted to take 2 laptops + netbook but couldnt fit it in allowance
[23:52] <mapp> so i tae the one that breaks of course
[23:52] <mapp> lol
[23:53] <mapp> nah i didnt
[23:53] <mapp> should do though
[23:53] <daftykins> yarr
[23:53] <daftykins> https://filippo.io/Badfish/
[23:53] <zmoylan-pi> superfish... sounds like a 80s band
[23:53] <mapp> gonna be a busy year if my friend still wants to do it all
[23:53] <daftykins> mapp: open the above in all browsers
[23:53] <mapp> he's coming to Gibraltar..we're going to Czech and then catching train to Slovakia and then going to Ukraine at some point:D
[23:53] <mapp> will do..2sec
[23:54] <mapp> Ukraine will be exciting
[23:54] <daftykins> O_O
[23:54] <mapp> why O_O?
[23:54] <daftykins> dunno :>
[23:54] <mapp> they aent ISIS!
[23:54] <mapp> but it's a very cold place in winter like russia..and obviously russia is fighting ukraine in crimea..but Kiev is miles from it
[23:55] <mapp> the average wage is like $8k and the girls are beautiful
[23:55] <mapp> so when i go as a rich westener
[23:55] <mapp> maybe il bring 20 back
[23:55] <mapp> :D
[23:55] <mapp> well rich in their eyes..all relative really
[23:55] <daftykins> bottles? ;)
[23:55] <mapp> 20 ukraine girls:D
[23:55] <mapp> im sure the rent in ukraine isnt same as here so when people say average wages its all relative
[23:56] <mapp> but id much rather go to ukraine than somewhere like tenerife
[23:56] <mapp> yawn
[23:56] <mapp> sit in the sun with british chavs get sun burnt and drink cheap alcohol...great
[23:56] <daftykins> i don't think either'd be on my list :D
[23:56] <mapp> thing is
[23:57] <mapp> i find it interesting going to these countries
[23:57] <mapp> as they arent the same as UK..but france/germany /holland are basically the same..just diff language and diff area of the world
[23:57] <mapp> the buildings..the eay of life..it's all diff in czech/russia/latvia/ukraine
[23:57] <daftykins> i was amazed how different Spain was
[23:57] <mapp> really?
[23:57] <daftykins> yip
[23:58] <mapp> i always think spain's a dump
[23:58] <mapp> or at least here
[23:58] <mapp> la linea de concepcion


[20:57] <babbageclunk> Can someone with merge privs on the juju repos merge this? https://github.com/juju/description/pull/7 thumper's offline and the mergebot isn't set up.
[22:56] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: it's large, but most of these changes are new tests and boilerplate. i will be basing new work off it for the backend stauff. there's no real urgency as i can branch of what I have https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7158
[22:57] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: the followup will also add the feature flag to the grant/revoke changes
[22:57] <wallyworld> i'll look to get that done today, well before beta2
[22:59] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok, looking now
[23:00] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: actually, might hold off and make a start on the private-address stuff first.
[23:01] <wallyworld> sure


[02:30] <smartboyhw> OK, 4.11.0...
[02:50] <smartboyhw> For the first time in history I can actually get the kubuntu-initial-upload script to work\o/
[03:38] <smartboyhw> Members of ~kubuntu-ppa: Sorry for the monstrous amount of recipe build failures:P
[03:45] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: did you upload KDE 4.11 to ninjas?
[03:46] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, still running script
[03:46] <shadeslayer> ack
[03:46] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: do you have enough bandwidth?
[03:46] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ;) enough
[03:46] <shadeslayer> cool
[03:48] <smartboyhw> Taking lunch now, see ya later
[03:51] <shadeslayer> cya
[04:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: we didn't get an MRE for KTP?
[04:21] <ScottK> You can go back and look at the tech board discussion.  I may have missed documented the results.
[04:21] <ScottK> The only one they said no on was lightdm-kde.
[04:22] <ScottK> Maybe I forgot to ask.
[04:22] <shadeslayer> I did, and I saw the same thing, I think you forgot to ask because KTP was not in the list
[04:22] <shadeslayer> ( the list of packages you sent to the tech board _
[04:22] <shadeslayer> )
[04:30] <ScottK> Well there we go.
[04:35] <shadeslayer> " I did not include ktp or choqok only because I wasn't comfortable with it.  Do we know what ktp point releases look like
[04:35] <shadeslayer> hmm
[04:35] <shadeslayer> not sure why I did not respond to that :/
[06:09] <shadeslayer> :/
[06:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/pfd9f54ba/
[06:10] <soee> good morning
[06:10] <shadeslayer> morning soee
[06:29] <soee> hi shadeslayer
[06:29] <shadeslayer> IIRC someone else was having issues with installing kscreen as well
[06:34] <shadeslayer> oh I know, maybe apt wants to upgrade libkscreen0 to the newest version before installing libkscreen1
[07:05] <soee> shadeslayer, are you using saucy ?
[07:05] <shadeslayer> yes
[07:05] <shadeslayer> but that is on raring
[07:06] <soee> yes but i have one question about saucy
[07:06] <soee> do you have the same that you can in power management set when screen should be turned off etc ? they are not respected at all
[07:07] <soee> so after 15 minut lock screens hows up
[07:08] <shadeslayer> I suspect it's a frakensystemd issue
[07:10] <shadeslayer> gtg for a bit
[07:13] <smartboyhw> Uploading 4.11.0 to ninjas
[07:16] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, Riddell yofel how to put a new status page on qa.kubuntu.org.uk?
[07:26] <shadeslayer> can do
[07:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, thank you:)
[07:29] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: should be up in 5 minutes
[07:29] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, great
[08:37] <shadeslayer> uhm
[08:38] <shadeslayer> the phased updates, aren't they bad for large packagesets like KDE ?
[08:41] <yofel> well, could be. Esp. as we are not bug-free at all
[08:41] <yofel> where do the error reports come from actually? whoopsie?
[08:41] <shadeslayer> yes
[08:41] <shadeslayer> my major concern is actually the part where ubuntu users might install KDE and get phased updates
[08:41] <shadeslayer> but then they'll be using XMir
[08:41] <shadeslayer> so not sure how much I care about them
[08:42] <shadeslayer> or someone using update manager on KDE
[08:42] <shadeslayer> which would be weird ...
[08:42] <yofel> what do phased updates have to do with our XMir support issue?
[08:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: just saying that people running XMir are most likely to use the update manager
[08:43] <yofel> on KDE, unlikely IMO
[08:43] <shadeslayer> and since we don't support that configuration anyway ...
[08:45] <yofel> FWIW, 4.10.97 precise runs fine in VBox for me. But I would like it if someone could do an actual openGL test on hardware
[08:45] <yofel> we could do that from the beta ppa though if you want to copy it. (does that actually have enough space?)
[08:46] <yofel> iirc beta still has a 10G quota. I got backports bumped to 24
[08:48] <yofel>     6.9 GiB (68.96%) of 10.0 GiB
[08:48] <yofel> guess I'll have to upload l10n somewhere else
[08:50] <yofel> I'll copy it, we need testers
[08:53] <shadeslayer> ^^
[08:53] <yofel> *sigh*
[08:54] <yofel> I'll be really happy when I don't have to run the precise l10n script anymore
[08:54] <yofel> only 6 more runs left ^^
[08:54]  * shadeslayer is trying to figure out why -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 is not called on Neon5
[08:56] <shadeslayer> funsies
[08:58] <shadeslayer> well that works
[09:24] <debfx> yofel: did you manage to copy all precise packages to the beta ppa? it now says 10.7 of 10.0 GB :)
[09:24] <yofel> debfx: quota only applies to the incoming queue it seems, not to package copies or recipe builds
[09:25] <debfx> aha, interesting :)
[09:29] <shadeslayer> well yeah :D
[09:48] <smartboyhw> Hey yofel
[09:49] <smartboyhw> OK, all uploaded now should be..
[09:50] <smartboyhw> !ninjas | Please start to take care of the 4.11.0 saucy packages in ninjas PPA
[09:50] <smartboyhw> :P
[10:06] <yofel> smartboyhw: every package generated fine?
[10:06]  * yofel kinda doubts that
[10:06] <shadeslayer> something I always forget to check ^^
[10:09] <shadeslayer> whee timeouts
[10:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^ are timeouts common on the status script?
[10:09] <yofel> no
[10:09] <shadeslayer> it's the first time I'm seeing oen
[10:09] <shadeslayer> *one
[10:09] <yofel> seen it already, but pretty rare
[10:09] <yofel> cold SQL cache I guess
[10:10] <shadeslayer> oh, yeah, most likely explanation
[10:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, hell, traceback on the status page:(
[10:10] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:10] <smartboyhw> Timeouts:P
[10:11] <yofel> smartboyhw: so what did the script say at the end? anything to fix?
[10:11] <smartboyhw> yofel, no, it's a connection timeout still:(
[10:11] <yofel> I meant kubuntu-initial-upload
[10:12] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh, kppp and kdepim
[10:12] <smartboyhw> Fixed
[10:12] <smartboyhw> Everything uploaded:)
[10:12] <yofel> yay
[10:12] <smartboyhw> yofel, my first successful run of the scriptp\o/
[10:13] <yofel> you still needed 2 tries though it seems :/
[10:13]  * yofel seriously needs to figure out how to properly do multiple runs
[10:14] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah
[10:15] <smartboyhw> Hmm, the i386 queue was packed...
[10:16] <yofel> the ppa has a so high priority that you don't have to worry about the queue really
[10:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah...
[10:19] <smartboyhw> yofel, in the notepad
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Precise: yofel WIP - re-uploaded for 12.04.1 using default mesa
[10:19] <smartboyhw> You mean 12.04.2 do you?
[10:20] <yofel> no, I uploaded as ~ubuntu12.04.1
[10:20] <yofel> not like that's supposed to match anyway
[10:20] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[10:22] <yofel> diff: precise/beta
[10:31] <smartboyhw> Holy
[10:31] <smartboyhw> LP karma over 10000 now
[10:31] <shadeslayer> pft
[10:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK I know that you guys got a lot:P
[10:32] <shadeslayer> I have a moderate amount
[10:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell has alot
[10:33] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel got a lot also
[10:33] <yofel> mostly thanks to all the package uploads really (in the past it was neon, now it's kde sc)
[10:34] <shadeslayer> ^^
[10:34] <smartboyhw> ^^
[10:34] <smartboyhw> 4/5 of my karma came from uploads
[10:36] <smartboyhw> Anyone here consider themselves good at Calculus
[10:36] <smartboyhw> ?
[10:37] <shadeslayer> haven't touched that for over a year and ahalf
[10:37] <shadeslayer> but if it's something school level I might be able to have a look
[10:38] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I want somebody to make me understand:P
[10:38] <shadeslayer> aha, then no
[10:38] <shadeslayer> I'm very poor at explaining things
[10:39] <shadeslayer> Anyone care to test ktp raring from https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[10:39]  * smartboyhw doesn't since he does not have a Raring system
[10:39] <smartboyhw> I only got Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS and (K)ubuntu 13.10 here
[10:40] <shadeslayer> my Raring VM is currently upgrading
[10:40] <shadeslayer> so I can't do much
[10:47] <markey> hm, is anyone actually looking at pGST bug reports?
[10:47] <markey> feels like they end up in /dev/null
[10:47] <smartboyhw> yofel, where did plasma-mediacenter 1.0.90 end up?
[10:47] <markey> wrong channel, sorry
[10:47] <yofel> smartboyhw: in my brain attic, sorry -.-
[10:48] <yofel> lets see
[10:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, lol
[10:50] <yofel>  11   * Add kffmpegthumbnailer as dep of plasma-mediacenter
[10:50] <yofel> smartboyhw: ?
[10:52] <smartboyhw> yofel, it appeared in upstream build instructions
[10:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, http://sinny.in/node/25
[10:54] <smartboyhw> That's evidence I think:P
[10:54] <yofel> hm
[10:55] <yofel> and ffmpegthumbs doesn't work?
[10:56] <yofel> in any case, that should be a recommends I think
[10:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, Ok
[10:57] <yofel> don't make packages depend on too much, recommends are installed by default, so unless it's really needed it's not a dep
[10:58] <yofel> plasma-mediacenter-dev is missing a dep on libplasmamediacenter1.1 (= ${binary:Version})
[10:59] <yofel> same for -dbg
[10:59] <yofel> though not really required there as pmc pulls it in
[11:06] <yofel> smartboyhw: "Generate symbols file libplasmamediacenter1.1" is missing a 'for' I think
[11:07] <yofel> otherwise fine, please fix that and I'll upload
[11:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK sure
[11:28]  * smartboyhw points yofel to https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/packaging-staging-2/+files/plasma-mediacenter_1.0.90-0ubuntu1.dsc
[11:54] <yofel> E: plasma-mediacenter source: weak-library-dev-dependency plasma-mediacenter-dev on libplasmamediacenter1.1 (>= ${binary:Version}
[11:54] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh, am I missing a )?
[11:54] <yofel> yeah, just saw that too, probably that
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Sorry:p
[11:54] <yofel> no o.O
[11:55] <smartboyhw> yofel, oy!?
[11:55] <yofel> *facepalm*
[11:55] <yofel> it has to be =, not >=
[11:55] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK, sorry:P
[11:56] <yofel> I fixed the homepage link too, it's in extragear now
[11:56] <yofel> (clicked on it by chance and got a 404)
[11:56] <smartboyhw> kde-workspace has a completely weird failure
[11:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[11:56] <yofel> uploaded
[11:56] <smartboyhw> A whole library is missing:O
[11:57] <yofel> eh?
[11:57] <smartboyhw> yofel, libkwinnvidiahack4
[11:57] <smartboyhw> The .so is missing
[11:57] <yofel> hm, maybe removed because completely broken
[11:58] <yofel> I remember there being talk about it
[11:58]  * yofel checks git log
[11:58] <smartboyhw> yofel, whoa
[11:58] <yofel> yep, see a6b8844eacc7734cd623fe40ff2114009b583165
[12:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: thoughts on http://paste.kde.org/pd56cd144/
[12:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: and thoughts on why sudo apt-get install kscreen works
[12:14] <yofel> no, apt's resolver is a magic black box for me, but did you read the discussion with felix yesterday?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> nope
[12:15] <yofel> was some 22h ago
[12:15] <shadeslayer> yeah looking
[12:17] <shadeslayer> there doesn't seem to be a resolution to that
[12:17] <shadeslayer> and frankly I am completely perplexed by this
[12:17] <shadeslayer> everything /seems/ to be fine
[12:18] <shadeslayer> and I only tested with sudo apt-get install kscreen for the SRU and it obviously worked then
[12:21] <yofel> afiestas: hm, you never actually said whether it would be possible to namespace the plugin path with the soversion or not. Would that cause any problems? (That would mean you could have cases where libkscreen0 and libkscreen1 are both installed)
[12:22] <shadeslayer> btw have you ever seen such an issue come up before ??
[12:22] <shadeslayer> and maybe we should file a bug in apt?
[12:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, kdevelop in precise backports was stuck on the same thing (kdevplatform5-libs -> kdevplatform7-libs)
[12:35] <yofel> there I fixed it by adding a transitional package, but that's not really something we should do here
[12:35] <yofel> felix had the right idea, question is whether it's implementable
[12:43] <shadeslayer> I see
[12:44] <shadeslayer> still sounds like a bug in apt to me
[13:00] <debfx> yes, could well be a bug in apt. sadly the resolver debug output isn't very helpful in this case.
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Bad apt:P
[13:04] <yofel> it probably is one, but I'm clueless why it happens
[13:04] <yofel> because I can't reproduce that in a chroot
[13:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: you can't? :P
[13:10] <shadeslayer> er
[13:10] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:10] <shadeslayer> on the live CD maybe?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> yep, can be reproduced on the live cd
[13:22] <yofel> ok, now it worked in a chroot too
[13:22] <yofel> but needs apt-get install --install-recommends kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-standard
[13:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, heh, the double-copyright-header thing was fixed;P
[13:50] <smartboyhw> In pmc
[14:20] <smartboyhw> JontheEchidna, can you apply to be a mentor at season.kde.org?
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> smartboyhw: ok
[14:37] <fos> yofel: Thanks a lot for the precise upload!
[14:38] <fos> I'll start testing tomorrow (on real hardware)
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Hmm, kopete got a whole code error:(
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Actually, NOT
[14:53] <smartboyhw> missing libasound2-dev :P
[15:20] <smartboyhw> Hmm, sounds like 4.11.0 is much easier to deal with (except kalzium and kopete)
[15:22] <d_ed> FYI, that link you posted in #kopete is private
[15:23] <d_ed> it just says "No such resource"
[15:23] <smartboyhw> For heaven's sake, now Ubuntu Edge is $695 ONLY (and one and only) and the rate of buying is huge:O
[15:23] <smartboyhw> d_ed, my fault
[15:23] <d_ed> that's ok, you can buy me an edge to make up for it.
[15:23] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:23] <smartboyhw> d_ed, LOL
[15:23] <shadeslayer> d_ed: dude
[15:24] <shadeslayer> d_ed: backported ktp for raring
[15:24] <d_ed> \o/
[15:24] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[15:24] <shadeslayer> needs QA
[15:25] <shadeslayer> eh
[15:25] <shadeslayer> eh
[15:25] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw:   * Remove libkwinnvidiahack4 and libkwinactivenvidiahack4
[15:25] <shadeslayer>     packages since it's removed in upstream
[15:25] <shadeslayer> are you *sure*
[15:25] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel confirmed it.
[15:26] <shadeslayer> just seems a bit odd that they removed it so far in the release cycle
[15:26] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: ^^
[15:26] <tsdgeos> what?
[15:27] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: do you know anything about libkwinnvidiahack4 & libkwinactivenvidiahack4 getting removed?
[15:27] <tsdgeos> no clue
[15:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, see backlog plz
[15:29] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1162467] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.4 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Troll... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1162467 (by myyyxa)
[15:29] <shadeslayer> kdebug 322060
[15:29] <shadeslayer> erm
[15:29] <shadeslayer> kde bug 322060
[15:29] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, http://paste.kde.org/pb7eef1f7/
[15:30] <shadeslayer> yep, was looking at the git log
[15:31]  * shadeslayer shrugs
[15:31] <yofel> there was talk on kde-devel I think on how to fix it, but without any results
[15:31] <yofel> and there's no point in keeping it around if it does nothing
[15:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel weird https://i147081671.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/147081671/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.kalzium_4%3A4.11.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=4a7420f17f5de8a824746f6db8a6081d
[15:42] <smartboyhw> We already have that  build-dep
[15:43] <yofel> don't bother posting ninja build logs, we can't open it as the token doesn't match
[15:43] <shadeslayer> your token is showing
[15:43] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh really?
[15:43] <smartboyhw> :(
[15:43] <shadeslayer> [  4%] make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libboost_python.so', needed by `lib/libcompoundviewer.so.4.11.0'.  Stop.
[15:43] <yofel> note: boost has it's weird edges...
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:44] <shadeslayer> !find libboost_python.so saucy
[15:44] <smartboyhw> oy!?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> olololol\
[15:44] <yofel> weird though
[15:44] <smartboyhw> !find /usr/lib/libboost_python.so saucy
[15:44] <yofel> forget ubottu
[15:44] <Peace-> xd
[15:45] <yofel> IIRC that uses packages.ubuntu.com
[15:45] <smartboyhw> OK, this is nots:P
[15:45] <smartboyhw> *nuts
[15:45] <yofel> I remember that error though...
[15:45] <shadeslayer> so?
[15:45] <yofel> eeeeeeeeh?
[15:46] <yofel> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_python-py27.so
[15:46] <yofel> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_python-py33.so
[15:46] <smartboyhw> @?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> What the hell
[15:46] <yofel> multiarch + pyversion suffix
[15:46] <yofel> FUN
[15:46] <shadeslayer> aha
[15:46] <shadeslayer> aha
[15:46]  * shadeslayer goes away
[15:46]  * smartboyhw emits blood
[15:46] <smartboyhw> and goes away
[15:46] <yofel> isn't packaging fun :D
[15:46] <Peace-> mm :D no
[15:47] <smartboyhw> yes, but...
[15:47] <yofel> ok, what to do..
[15:48] <shadeslayer> we call on the ScottK to do his magic
[15:48] <shadeslayer> actually
[15:48] <shadeslayer> xnox made that change
[15:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, no it's His Royal Highness Duke Scott Kitterman of Kubuntu magic
[15:48] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boost1.53/1.53.0-6+exp2ubuntu1
[15:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer,.......
[15:49] <yofel> "excluding python"
[15:49] <smartboyhw> Hmmm
[15:49]  * shadeslayer rubs eyes
[15:49] <shadeslayer> that doesn't seem right :P
[15:49] <smartboyhw> Obviously, he did it wrong
[15:49] <smartboyhw> xnox, ^
[15:50] <yofel> ah, it was still xnox
[15:50] <yofel> he probably didn't completely revert it
[15:51] <smartboyhw> So, kalzium delayed on boost multi-arch problems
[15:51] <shadeslayer> that's acceptable IMHO
[15:51] <shadeslayer> we can still upload it and then rebuild it when boost is fixed
[15:51] <yofel> you could temporarily remove the build-dep on it
[15:51] <yofel> IIRC it's optional
[15:51] <shadeslayer> ah ^^
[15:51] <yofel> then file a bug to make sure it's not forgotten
[15:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel I agree
[15:52] <shadeslayer> just don't forget to add it back :PO
[15:52] <shadeslayer> make a trello card just in case
[15:53] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I will:)
[15:54]  * yofel wonders why that boost build-dep is unversioned
[15:55] <yofel> I thought we always used versioned ones
[15:55] <smartboyhw> Do we?
[15:55] <smartboyhw> Anyways
[15:55] <yofel> we did in the past, it seems like some of that was lost in the debian merge
[15:55] <yofel> ScottK: did we have a rationale for that? ^
[15:58] <yofel> hm.......
[15:58] <smartboyhw> ?
[16:00] <yofel> I just remembered what the real issue is
[16:00] <yofel> not boost
[16:00] <yofel> it's avogadro
[16:00] <yofel> (it's *always* avogadro -.-)
[16:00] <smartboyhw> yofel, why?
[16:00] <smartboyhw> -.-
[16:00] <yofel> /usr/lib/avogadro/1_0/AvogadroLibraryDeps.cmake
[16:00] <yofel> has hardcoded lib paths to every lib it's linked against
[16:00] <yofel> SET("avogadro_LIB_DEPENDS" "general;openbabel;general;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtOpenGL.so;general;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so;general;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtNetwo    rk.so;general;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so;general;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGLU.so;general;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so;general;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libX11.so;gen    eral;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libXext.so;general;/usr/lib/x86_64-
[16:00] <yofel> linux-gnu/libGLEW.so;general;/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpython2.7.so;general;/usr/lib/libboost_python.so;")
[16:00] <yofel> see end
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Oh no
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Stupid avogadro:P
[16:01] <smartboyhw> HOWTO fix?
[16:01] <yofel> ack
[16:01] <yofel> rebuild avogadro usually
[16:01] <yofel> let's see what I can do
[16:01]  * smartboyhw leaves kalzium and avogadro to master yofel
[16:02] <yofel> you start keeping such things in memory after fixing it half a dozen times
[16:02] <yofel> -.-
[16:02] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[16:02] <smartboyhw> True
[16:04] <yofel> -- Boost Python NOT found - Python support disabled.
[16:04] <yofel> hardly surprising
[16:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, meh
[16:05] <xnox> shadeslayer: i will look. i thought python was left untouched, i could have gone wronng.
[16:05] <smartboyhw> xnox, maybe we have gone wrong:P
[16:06] <smartboyhw> Look above:)
[16:21] <shadeslayer> bah
[16:22] <shadeslayer> I remember the avogadro issue
[23:04] <MichaelP> Wednesday, August 7, 2013: KDE SC 4.11 Final Tag...    August 14, 2013: KDE SC 4.11 Release ..... When does kubuntu get other then beta 2 ?
[23:33] <ScottK> yofel: I don't think there's a reason not to have the versioned boost dep, but I've been mostly avoiding boost stuff in favor of xnox doing it.  BTW, the py27/py33 stuff is from Debian.  Neither xnox nor I did that.
[23:34] <xnox> yofel: which package fails?
[23:34] <xnox> ScottK: i did multiarchification of boost in experimental & synced into saucy. It should all just work, and python was meant to be excluded from multiarchifications.... but there might be bugs.
[23:37] <ScottK> xnox: While you're fixing boost, please make it use dh_python2/3 to generate proper depends and have proper ABI tags on the so files (not the silly py27/py33 stuff)
[23:37] <xnox> ScottK: which dh_python2? i'd want to use dh-python's dh-python2, but that's not merged into ubuntu.
[23:38] <xnox> ScottK: cause i'd get those "for free" with that.
[23:38] <ScottK> You should have dh-python in about a week.
[23:38] <ScottK> So make it work in experimental and then you'll be able to sync it shortly.
[23:39] <ScottK> I've done everything to make it so we can sync python3-defaults/dh-python in bzr, waiting for the current one to migrate to testing.
[23:42] <xnox> ScottK: boost-python.so are not python extension modules, and instead link into your c++ prog to create a python extension module.
[23:42] <xnox> ScottK: so i'm not sure about the renamings.
[23:43] <ScottK> OK