[00:09] <knome> äsch, need to sleep
[00:09] <knome> see you tomorrow!
[00:10] <pleia2> night :)
[01:26] <pleia2> ok, pages tagged and mail sent to ubuntu-doc list about access to xubuntu-doc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2012-August/016793.html
[02:32] <micahg> knome: if software center meets our needs, sure
[02:39] <Unit193> I'd say app-install-data, usc, and depends would free up more room. :---D
[02:46] <micahg> Unit193: yeah, but that leaves us without the ability to purchase apps
[02:47] <Unit193> That it would.
[06:44] <micahg> knome: mr_pouit: synaptic removal done (should give us at least 2.3MB)
[09:21] <knome> micahg, that and apt-get for advanced stuff. also, synaptic is phasing out anyway.
[14:13] <smartboyhw> ochosi: ping
[14:34] <knome> http://www.typewith.me/p/x-q-beta-uif-prepping
[14:35] <ochosi> knome: mind if i add more theme-stuff to this list?
[14:35] <knome> ochosi, not at all
[14:35] <smartboyhw> ochosi: ping
[14:35] <knome> ochosi, especially feel free to describe the specific items
[14:35] <knome> ochosi, this is a list of everything that should be done by UIF !!
[14:36] <knome> (except the xfce 4.10-item, which would be good to have for beta)
[14:36] <knome> ochosi, we should probably review the lightdm-theme workitems
[14:36] <ochosi> smartboyhw: hi
[14:38] <knome> ochosi, since those aren't official work items, i'll group them there
[14:39] <ochosi> k, why not
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Sorry, ochosi, a bit wrong of XChat.
[16:46] <pleia2> ok, writing marketing target audience for real now
[16:46] <pleia2> also, I figured something out
[16:46] <knome> ok?
[16:46] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Xubuntu_Prior_to_10.10
[16:47] <knome> yeah
[16:47] <knome> that was known
[16:47] <knome> but not tagged
[16:47] <knome> ;)
[16:47] <pleia2> the images themselves are tagged CategoryXubuntu - but ack, prior to 10.10?
[16:47] <pleia2> should we do something about this?
[16:48] <pleia2> do we still have a burner by default?
[16:48] <knome> xfburn
[16:48] <knome> but we should delete that section
[16:48] <knome> for sure..
[16:48] <pleia2> should we update it to ues xfburn?
[16:49] <knome> we probably need to write on that to the documentation as well
[16:49] <pleia2> yeah
[16:49] <knome> maybe create a workitem and update the wiki later, since there's no rush for it for UIF...
[16:49] <pleia2> ok
[16:51] <knome> pleia2, http://www.typewith.me/p/x-q-beta-uif-prepping
[16:52] <knome> we need to get those done by thu
[16:52] <knome> :]
[16:55]  * pleia2 nods
[16:55] <pleia2> I emailed the doc list about who all has rights to upload to xubuntu-doc, but it went off in the wiki direction
[16:55] <pleia2> hopefully someone who knows something will notice and answer my first question ;)
[16:56] <knome> yes, i noticed that mail
[16:56] <pleia2> and I've now set up redirection to Installation for all three install docs (english, spanish and german)
[16:57] <pleia2> so all left to do is fix up BurningIsoHowto and the Compiz page
[16:57] <knome> sweet
[16:57] <pleia2> oh, and on the website I'll update the /tour screenshots today
[16:57] <knome> shiny
[16:58] <ochosi> maybe it'd make sense to look at the /tour and ubiquity at the same time?
[16:58] <pleia2> what about ubiquity?
[16:58] <ochosi> we need to update the slideshow
[16:58] <knome> pleia2, we're going to update the installer slideshow
[16:58] <ochosi> with Q screenshots and all
[16:58] <pleia2> ah, right
[16:58] <ochosi> but we can also discuss whether we want new/other slides
[16:59] <knome> sure
[16:59] <pleia2> I was planning on just using -P screenshots for /tour
[16:59] <knome> i started looking at the slideshow today
[16:59] <ochosi> but then we're kinda behind with the screenshots in a month...
[16:59] <pleia2> yeah, but I wasn't sure our Q ones would be perfect yet :)
[16:59] <knome> we can probably get away with updating after UIF quite easily; everybody always does that
[16:59] <knome> (re: slideshow)
[17:00] <pleia2> but now I'm giving myself too much work because I was planning on doing some iso testing along with -Q screenshots too ;) better get to it
[17:01] <knome> heh
[17:03] <knome> mr_pouit, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1041892
[17:04] <knome> ochosi, do you expect to get a lot of reports of missing icons/do you have time to fix before UIF (re: elem-xfce)
[17:04] <knome> rethink https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-elementary-xfce after answering
[17:07] <ochosi> knome: well i hope not :}
[17:07] <knome> ok, in that case, can we "DONE" most of those?
[17:07] <knome> at least "report"
[17:07] <knome> and what about "implement"
[17:07] <knome> is that the same as bug #1006416
[17:22] <knome> schuss
[17:23] <ochosi> yeah
[17:23] <ochosi> that's practically the same
[17:24] <knome> ok
[17:26] <knome> äsch, tb in albatross fails
[17:26] <knome> :]
[17:27] <knome> or maybe it's some weird thing here
[17:27] <knome> hmm
[17:27] <knome> ochosi, see your inbox
[17:30] <ochosi> knome: do you have an in-action screenshot as well?
[17:30] <knome> nope, i didn't test it
[17:30]  * knome hides
[17:31] <ochosi> sry, i'm busy with fixing bluebird right now
[17:32] <knome> np, try it when you can
[17:32] <ochosi> send me a screenshot when you can :}
[17:32] <knome> i don't personally use those launcher panels, so i don't have a strong opinion
[17:32] <ochosi> me neither
[17:32] <knome> wha's the def height?
[17:33] <ochosi> 48 i think
[17:33] <ochosi> odd, it seems it's 46
[17:33] <ochosi> in my vm
[17:33] <ochosi> we should double-check with lionel
[17:34] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/launcherpanel.png
[17:34] <knome> i don't know why the img repeats oddly
[17:35] <ochosi> yeah, just wanted to point that out
[17:35] <knome> (look at "notes"
[17:35] <knome> it's the exact same image with mods
[17:35] <ochosi> doesn't look bad
[17:35] <ochosi> but i think now the launchers need more padding
[17:35] <knome> me too
[17:35] <ochosi> otherwise they look crammed onto it too much
[17:36] <knome> are we proposing this change to be a default?
[17:36] <ochosi> the panel-bg?
[17:36] <knome> y
[17:36] <ochosi> originally the idea was to have a bg so that the launcherpanel would also work without compositing
[17:36] <knome> mm-hmm
[17:36] <ochosi> (that was when astraljava was still exploring switching compositing on/off by default)
[17:36] <ochosi> but i think it makes sense to use the bg image anyway
[17:36] <knome> but if that isn't enabled by default, how can we make sure that image is proposed by default :]
[17:37] <knome> (the answer is: probably no way)
[17:38] <knome> but i don't want to add padding to other panels
[17:38] <ochosi> ?
[17:38] <knome> if we add padding for that panel, doesn't it mean the other panel gets padding too
[17:38] <knome> 20:35  ochosi: but i think now the launchers need more padding
[17:38] <knome> or do you mean just launchers?
[17:38] <knome> i'm not sure if i want that either...
[17:38] <knome> :)
[17:38] <ochosi> just launchers ofc
[17:42] <knome> bbl
[17:54] <ochosi> knome: it would help to reduce the top-border of the bg-image for the launcher-panel
[18:22] <pleia2> oh dear, my touchpad isn't working in this 12.10 daily
[18:25] <Sysi> at all? check if synaptics isn't loaded or it's just disabled
[18:26] <pleia2> at all, plugged in a usb mouse and that isn't working either (usually does)
[18:27] <pleia2> no modules including "syn" loaded
[18:28] <pleia2> xinput list isn't showing it
[18:40] <ochosi> odd
[18:40] <ochosi> i have a mouse-problem with my mouse in vbox
[18:40] <ochosi> no scrollwheel
[18:41] <pleia2> ochosi: should there still be color mismatch issues in menus in the daily builds?
[18:42] <ochosi> pleia2: what theme?
[18:42] <pleia2> default
[18:42] <ochosi> i'm afraid you'd have to test the theme/s from git to be able to tell
[18:42] <pleia2> ah ok
[18:42] <ochosi> i'm using an updated quantal box
[18:42] <ochosi> no color-mismatch here
[18:42] <pleia2> was just wondering if it had been released to the images
[18:44] <ochosi> i think not yet
[18:44] <knome> ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/greybird-tb-compose.png
[18:44] <knome> ochosi, is that expected? the main tb window has black icons
[18:44] <ochosi> i'm not touching tb again
[18:44] <ochosi> this is not related to our theme at all
[18:45] <knome> ochosi, see http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/greybird-tb-main.png
[18:45] <ochosi> yeah, we had icon-issues with tb before
[18:45] <ochosi> i changed nothing that is relevant in the gtk theme
[18:45] <ochosi> so something must be wrong with tb
[18:45] <ochosi> (again)
[18:46] <knome> :|
[18:47] <SkippersBoss> Guys: Why is xfburn - in 12.10 - listed in both Accesoires and Multimedia ??
[18:49] <knome> SkippersBoss, because it is added to both categories
[18:49] <ochosi> ok, i think i only have to fix the resize-grip and the radio/checkbuttons in bluebird, then it's usable again in 12.10
[18:50] <knome> good
[18:50] <knome> our prepping list looks quite good actually, i have to say
[18:50] <knome> much better than i thought it would look today
[18:51] <knome> woot, our completion bar is green!
[18:53] <pleia2> so, synaptics module won't load, but in ubuntu 12.04 it's not loaded either and works fine, but it shows up in xinput too
[18:54] <pleia2> (the module doesn't exist in either place)
[18:54] <pleia2> xinput in 12.04 does show it as SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
[18:55] <Sysi> evdev might be used instead of synaptics
[18:55] <knome> micahg, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/greybird-tb-compose.png and http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/greybird-tb-main.png - any idea why the icons aren't black on both TB windows?
[18:55] <Sysi> xorg and udev can also be broken
[18:56] <knome> pleia2, shiny wiki edit
[18:57] <pleia2> well, /lib/modules is broken :\ after booting up this new install I have /lib/modules/3.5.0-1 but my kernel is -6
[18:57] <pleia2> so modprobe and everything complains
[18:57] <ochosi> meh, unico-engine is becoming more and more useless :(
[18:58] <pleia2> Sysi: I don't have synaptics or evdev modules (is evdev a module?)
[18:59] <Sysi> pleia2: you could check what 12.04 uses with lspci -k
[19:03] <pleia2> I looked through that but I couldn't find anything looking obviously like a touchpad
[19:04] <pleia2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1168595/
[19:04] <pleia2> clearly it just works with magic
[19:12] <pleia2> hm, touchpad works ok in the 12.10 livecd
[19:13] <pleia2> from 8/22 though, my installed version is from 8/26
[20:04] <knome> pleia2, around?
[20:05] <pleia2> mhmm
[20:05] <knome> good!
[20:22] <pleia2> yay, last thing on marketing blueprint is the pamphlet/handout items \o/
[20:32] <knome> pleia2, what's the plan with docs anyway?
[20:35] <pleia2> well hopefully someone on the ubuntu-doc list will reply
[20:35] <pleia2> so we can actually get our changes into the package
[20:35] <knome> when have you planned the converting to docbook?
[20:35] <pleia2> what's all this "you" stuff :)
[20:35] <pleia2> I am swamped with other things :(
[20:35] <knome> i thought you had an idea since you told stuff needs to be ready in a week ;)
[20:36] <knome> if you haven't got one, np
[20:36] <pleia2> lol
[20:36] <pleia2> we need a for real docs lead
[20:36] <knome> yes.
[20:37] <knome> i'm worried about the docs look
[20:37] <knome> if we get that in before UIF... wonderful
[20:37] <knome> then we have again time until sep 20 for magic
[20:37] <pleia2> so, the alt image is doing installs that end up with the 3.0.5-1 kernel
[20:37] <pleia2> desktop gets you 3.0.5-11
[20:38] <pleia2> and lightdm theme is different
[20:38] <knome> hmm..
[20:38] <knome> could this have something to do with ubuntu dropping alt?
[20:38] <pleia2> not a clue
[20:38] <knome> me neither
[20:39] <pleia2> I'll try to find time to do this on some VMs later this week
[20:39] <knome> ok, good
[20:39] <ochosi> wow, that sounds odd
[20:39] <ochosi> why would the kernel be different
[20:39] <knome> wait...
[20:39] <knome> there was some discussion about newer kernel breaking proprietary nvidia drivers
[20:39] <knome> that's maybe why you are held back?
[20:40] <knome> or sth
[20:40] <pleia2> when I boot up after alt, it also tells me I need like 500 updates
[20:40] <knome> haha
[20:40] <pleia2> so I am suspecting something is quite wrong
[20:40] <knome> probably yes
[20:40] <knome> from what date is the alt? :P
[20:40] <pleia2> today
[20:40] <knome> no, but really? :P
[20:40] <pleia2> desktop is from 4 days ago (last time it created one)
[20:40] <knome> hmm
[20:41] <ochosi> well yeah, definitely doesn't sound like a problem that's on our side
[20:41] <pleia2> oh
[20:41] <pleia2> ok yeah, don't listen to me
[20:41] <knome> haha
[20:41] <pleia2> I burned the old i386 image instead of the 64 \o/
[20:41] <pleia2> sorry :)
[20:41] <knome> why would we listen our marketing lead?
[20:42] <pleia2> clearly I just have fluff-for-brains
[20:42] <pleia2> ok, let's do this again, but with the right iso :)
[20:43] <knome> don't say typewith.me is dying again
[20:48] <knome> we really need somebody from the docs team to help us
[20:49] <knome> do we know anybody from the team that's bribable?
[20:50] <knome> hmm, i had lunch at UDS-J with one of the doc committers
[20:50] <knome> :P
[20:52] <ochosi> i met j1mc in vienna a while ago, but i think we lost him to gnome
[20:52] <knome> probably
[20:53] <knome> he might be able to help us though, if somebody got a hold of him
[20:53] <knome> i have his mobile #, but i don't think that's the right way to approach
[20:55] <ochosi> heh
[20:55] <ochosi> maybe not
[20:55] <ochosi> i'm "friends" with him on g+
[20:56] <ochosi> i can get in touch with him
[20:56] <ochosi> but i need a specific question/reason
[20:56] <knome> like "can you mentor us in ubuntu docs related questions?"
[21:00] <ochosi> ok, will try that
[21:00] <knome> ok, thanks
[21:01] <ochosi> np
[21:13] <ochosi> ok, contacted him
[21:14] <knome> good
[21:22] <pleia2> bug 1041955 was pretty amusing
[21:22]  * pleia2 screen-full-of-thunar
[21:22] <knome> o.O
[21:22] <ochosi> lol
[21:23] <pleia2> and the alt is failing at the moment :( dependency issues
[21:27] <knome> meh
[21:36] <pleia2> made bug 1041959 for it
[21:48] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Xubuntu \o/
[21:48] <knome> heh
[21:48] <ochosi> congrats pleia2
[21:49] <ochosi> seems the screeners are a bit older :)
[21:50] <pleia2> those are 12.04, should be fine
[21:50] <knome> weird xfwm then.
[21:50] <ochosi> ah right :)
[21:50] <ochosi> yup
[21:50] <pleia2> oh right, I should have switched to the default theme
[21:50] <ochosi> and funny font :)
[21:50] <knome> yeah... :D
[21:51] <pleia2> well the instructions are fixed anyway ;) I'll get proper screenshots
[21:51] <knome> meh, the pad is playing games on me
[21:51] <ochosi> pleia2: hehe, no worries ;)
[21:51] <knome> pleia2, awwh, now you have to burn another CD!
[21:51]  * knome giggles and hides
[21:51] <pleia2> don't actually have to burn it!
[21:51] <knome> gotcha
[21:52] <knome> oh great pad
[21:52] <knome> let me work!
[21:52] <pleia2> it keeps disconnecting me, I gave up
[21:53] <knome> fsst
[21:54] <knome> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu.html
[21:54] <knome> look at that
[21:54] <knome> the green bar touches the mainline
[21:54] <ochosi> impossible! :p
[21:55] <knome> now if i only got the pad working, i could mark one more thing as DONE
[21:56] <knome> and oh so little "blocked" stuff
[21:56] <ochosi> heh
[22:00] <knome> COME OOOON
[22:07] <pleia2> ok, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Xubuntu is better now
[22:07] <knome> good
[22:07] <knome> hmm
[22:07] <knome> i wrote "good" somewhere and pressed enter
[22:07] <knome> :P
[22:07] <pleia2> haha
[22:07]  * pleia2 works on /tour screenshots
[22:07] <ochosi> ok, i think that bluebird should be usable now
[22:08] <ochosi> bugs banished for now
[22:08] <ochosi> time to fix the lightdm-theming
[22:10] <knome> gooood
[22:12] <knome> pleia2, i reviewed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Development/ReleaseProcess
[22:16] <pleia2> ochosi: should these look this way? http://princessleia.com/temp/apps_0-q.png
[22:16] <pleia2> additional sheets in gnumeric, much black in abiword
[22:16] <knome> gnumeric probably yes, abiword not
[22:16] <ochosi> abiword is a known issue upstream
[22:16] <knome> that's a gtk3 bug
[22:16] <knome> oh, abiword bug
[22:16] <ochosi> mr_pouit knows about it
[22:16]  * knome ducks under the table
[22:16] <ochosi> i submitted a bugreport one release ago upstream
[22:16] <pleia2> I suppose this is the trouble with taking screenshots from -q right now :)
[22:17] <knome> pleia2, leave abiword out :))
[22:17] <ochosi> they managed fixing it upstream last week (!)
[22:17] <knome> ochosi, woot?
[22:17] <ochosi> mr_pouit is looking into importing the fix for us
[22:17] <ochosi> that's all i can say for now
[22:17] <ochosi> gnumeric uses special widgets, it's really a bitch with themes...
[22:17] <ochosi> special widgets == custom widgets
[22:18] <knome> ochosi, watch the language or...
[22:18] <knome> ;)
[22:18] <pleia2> maybe I'll just take them from precise for now
[22:19] <knome> YAY PAD IS WORKING
[22:31] <ochosi> ok, i think lightdm theming is starting to wor
[22:31] <ochosi> k
[22:38] <knome> pleia2, http://typewith.me/p/x-devel-rewrite
[22:38] <knome> pleia2, feel free to review and fix errors
[22:38] <knome> ochosi too, if you have time
[22:42] <ochosi> knome: sry, busy with this: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08272012-124230am.php
[22:42] <knome> heh :)
[22:43] <knome> np
[22:43] <knome> pleia2, this is the last page of the website review!
[22:43] <knome> ochosi, it already looks quite nice :)
[22:43] <knome> ochosi, not optimal, but better than most
[22:45] <ochosi> this is just the beginning
[22:45] <knome> yeah, i know
[22:45] <knome> i was just trying to make you feel needed
[22:45] <knome> :)
[22:45] <pleia2> ok, http://xubuntu.org/tour/ is done :)
[22:45] <knome> \o/
[22:46]  * knome feels like there is nothing this team can't achieve
[22:46] <knome>  [lyz] Cleanup and review community wiki: INPROGRESS
[22:46] <knome> isn't that DONE?
[22:46] <ochosi> heh
[22:46] <knome> :)
[22:47] <knome> except maybe one thing
[22:47] <knome> START TO WORK ON TIME
[22:47] <knome> :]
[22:47] <pleia2> knome: once I test and fix the compiz instructions
[22:47] <knome> oki
[22:47] <pleia2> I need to get some food right now, I r teh hungry
[22:47] <knome> you are meh hungry
[22:47] <knome> at least from the knome POV
[22:47] <knome> :)
[22:48] <knome> i'll stay up for a bit longer
[22:48] <knome> how long will you stuff food into your mouth?
[22:49] <pleia2> like 20 minutes :P
[22:49] <knome> hehe
[22:49] <knome> fair enough
[22:50]  * knome will do something for like 20
[22:50] <knome> brb
[22:52] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08272012-125227am.php
[22:52] <ochosi> almost done ^
[22:55] <knome> :)
[22:55] <knome> shiny
[22:56] <ochosi> i think i'll make the login-button look special somehow
[22:58] <knome> mm
[22:59] <drc> maybe make the text lighter (as the Session/English buttons are)?
[23:00] <ochosi> drc: yeah, that's just a bug
[23:01] <drc> Sorry
[23:01] <ochosi> np :)
[23:01] <ochosi> anyway, i hope the stupid "cancel" button can go away
[23:01] <ochosi> it's utterly useless
[23:03] <drc> well, if the cancel button goes away, then the login button doesn't need to standout, does it?
[23:03] <knome> ochosi, what about making it blue?
[23:04] <knome> ochosi, like you did with the default buttons
[23:04] <ochosi> yeah, was also considering green tbh
[23:04] <knome> GREEN?
[23:04] <knome> :)
[23:04] <ochosi> heh
[23:04] <ochosi> yeh
[23:04] <ochosi> mostly for fun :)
[23:05] <knome> hah
[23:05] <ochosi> but also because i'm curious
[23:06] <ochosi> anyway, think i'll push what i have pretty soon
[23:06] <knome> :)
[23:09] <pleia2> knome: are we merging QA and Development mages?
[23:09] <pleia2> pages
[23:09] <pleia2> oh, it's just fixing bugs in this pad
[23:10] <knome> yup
[23:13] <knome> pleia2, nahhhhh
[23:13] <knome> pleia2, that's been said at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[23:14] <pleia2> the join devel list one?
[23:14] <knome> yeah
[23:15] <pleia2> ok
[23:15] <knome> trying to keep that as generic as possible, and the subpages as specific as possible to not duplicate information
[23:17] <ochosi> seems like transparency isn't working here: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08272012-011703am.php
[23:17] <ochosi> otherwise we could make a nice rounded box
[23:17] <knome> ochosi, heh. funky. :)
[23:17] <pleia2> ok, I think this looks good
[23:17] <knome> great
[23:17] <knome> i'll update the website then!
[23:17] <pleia2> I _some links_
[23:18] <knome> i noticed, will take care of those
[23:18] <pleia2> thanks
[23:18] <pleia2> what they should link to are on the current /development
[23:18] <knome> yeah
[23:19] <pleia2> SkippersBoss: thanks for working on the docs today!
[23:20] <SkippersBoss> no need to thank me
[23:20] <SkippersBoss> doing it in between other stuff
[23:21] <pleia2> :)
[23:22] <SkippersBoss> sorry have to say gnite to some one
[23:22] <knome> pleia2, \o/ http://xubuntu.org/contribute/development/
[23:22] <pleia2> :D
[23:23] <pleia2> time for me to update the blueprint? :D
[23:23] <knome> if you want to do that
[23:23] <pleia2> yeah yeah I want to do it
[23:23] <knome> hehe
[23:23] <knome> go ahead
[23:23] <pleia2> \o/
[23:23] <knome> i can't desribe how much and how long this has bugged me
[23:24] <pleia2> hehe
[23:24] <knome> now if we could get micahg and/or mr_pouit look at it...
[23:25] <SkippersBoss> some ones very happy or m i misreading something here
[23:26] <knome> SkippersBoss, we are happy. the website content review is finally done
[23:26] <knome> after what, nearly a year? more?
[23:27] <knome> pleia2, bug #967878 - ideas? :)
[23:31] <ochosi> i still have to implement the hover styles, but i think other than that we're good to go on lightdm
[23:33] <knome> shiny :)
[23:34] <pleia2> knome: I am not sure on that
[23:34] <knome> me neither
[23:34] <knome> fortunately there's no deadline on that! :)
[23:34] <pleia2> :)
[23:34] <pleia2> I'll think about it
[23:34] <ochosi> seems like the lightdm-gtk-greeter doesn't support transparency in its current state...
[23:34] <ochosi> otherwise a lot more things would be possible
[23:35] <knome> ochosi, i see. though the sharp corners aren't too ugly either
[23:35] <ochosi> yeah true
[23:36] <ochosi> still, it'd be nice to use some shadows and transparency
[23:36] <ochosi> anyway, will ask mr_pouit about that after he tests the theming
[23:36] <knome> sure.
[23:37] <ochosi> also not 100% sure why the hover-states are not getting applied
[23:38] <knome> pleia2, apparently, they want us to stop using "derivative" in favor of "flavor"
[23:39] <knome> i fixed those on our website
[23:39] <pleia2> yeah, flavor is the appropriate term
[23:39] <pleia2> thanks
[23:39] <knome> np
[23:39] <knome> there was fortunately only two
[23:39] <pleia2> :)
[23:40] <knome> is there a non-breaking-dash?
[23:41] <ochosi> hehe: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08272012-014117am.php
[23:41] <knome> great! ‑
[23:41] <knome> ouch!
[23:42] <knome> wait
[23:42] <knome> there's one "Derivatives" on our footer
[23:43] <ochosi> knome: this would be the style we use everywhere else: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08272012-014248am.php
[23:43] <ochosi> knome: doesn't work too well imo
[23:43] <knome> agreed
[23:43] <knome> make it darker
[23:43] <ochosi> exactly
[23:43] <knome> like something 50% between that and the bg
[23:47] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08272012-014709am.php
[23:47] <knome> looks good to me
[23:47] <ochosi> yeah, i think it's pretty ok
[23:47] <knome> at least for a one-night-fix
[23:52] <ochosi> knome: why did you postpone uploading the lightdm changes?
[23:52] <knome> because isn't that simply upgrading shimmer-themes?
[23:53] <knome> or am i mistaken
[23:53] <knome> s/upgrading/updating/
[23:53] <ochosi> i guess it is
[23:53] <knome> mhm
[23:54] <knome> added that to the prep pad
[23:54] <ochosi> ok, just one more thing to fix, then i'm done for now
[23:55] <knome> hehe, yeah
[23:55] <ochosi> stupid menubar at the top doesn't behave as i want
[23:55] <knome> i was thinking the same....
[23:55] <knome> well, not "one more", but more like "it's quite likely it for today"
[23:55] <knome> :D
[23:55] <ochosi> but i'm afraid it might not even be possible to fix that one
[23:56] <ochosi> i would love to have the two menuitems change their bg-color on mouse-over
[23:56] <ochosi> like the indicators
[23:56] <ochosi> in our panel
[23:56] <knome> mmh
[23:56] <ochosi> but i think i can only change the clicked-state
[23:56] <knome> :)
[23:56] <knome> that's not too bad
[23:56] <ochosi> yeah, could be worse :)
[23:56] <knome> they are relatively rarely used
[23:56] <ochosi> at least the other items are working as expected now
[23:56] <knome> at least here, and anywhere i know xubuntu being used :P
[23:56] <ochosi> even the hover states
[23:56] <knome> :)
[23:57] <ochosi> i still think the green login-button would've looked funky :)
[23:57] <knome> well not the #0f0 green at least!
[23:57] <ochosi> btw, i'm considering giving the loginbutton more xpadding
[23:57] <ochosi> what do you think?
[23:57] <knome> worksforme
[23:57] <ochosi> since it's the most important button there...
[23:57] <knome> yeah
[23:58]  * knome is waiting for s.u.c to update one more time ;)
[23:59] <knome> my story stops here - let's be clear...
[23:59] <knome> :)
[23:59] <knome> np: Faithless / Mass Destruction (Single mix)