[12:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: groovy, run debuild -S and upload the .orig, .dsc and .diff.gz somewhere I can get it
[12:45] <_StefanS_> will do
[12:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hmm the context menu for empty trash screws up the build. I wonder if it needs an include somewhere
[12:47] <_StefanS_> kdebase-dev it seems ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> _StefanS_: libkonq4-dev
[12:50] <_StefanS_> cool thanks
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://enhance-it.dk/build/
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: everything should be there.
[12:56] <_StefanS_> going to sleep. good night.
[12:57] <Riddell> great, thanks
[12:57] <_StefanS_> np, and thanks for that assistance
[01:43] <erenko> herkese iyi geceler
[03:47] <Jucato> yay!!! dolphin! :)
[03:47] <Jucato> thanks Riddell!! :)
[03:48] <Jucato> moin Hobbsee! just wondering if you're now seeing a home/ folder inside your Home, but no more env/ and share/
[03:50] <nixternal> Jucato: looks good
[03:50] <nixternal> is it safe to rm -rf ~/home ~/env ~/share
[03:50] <nixternal> I have /home/nixternal/home/nixternal
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato
[03:50] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[03:51] <Hobbsee> i have an env/ and share/, but no /home
[03:51] <nixternal> Jucato: haha, I didn't even read your second line there
[03:51] <nixternal> I have all 3 in there
[03:51] <Jucato> oh
[03:52] <Jucato> moin nixternal :)
[03:52] <nixternal> 2007-09-05 00:50 home/nixternal/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc
[03:52] <nixternal> moin moin, noon noon, night night
[03:52] <Jucato> lol
[03:52] <nixternal> 1 more hour to go!!!
[03:52] <Jucato> before?
[03:53] <nixternal> I get to leave this stinkin' class
[03:53] <Jucato> yay! :)
[03:53] <nixternal> oooh, if he hands out the project right now, I am gone
[03:53] <Jucato> heheh :)
[03:53] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I installed vista today!!!
[03:53] <nixternal> !nixternal
[03:53] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[03:53] <nixternal> booyah!
[03:54] <Jucato> hahah!
[03:54] <nixternal> for real...I got it free through school...Business Edition...so I figured I would see what all of the hooplah was
[03:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hah.  you sad person.
[03:54] <Jucato> if I had the money or had it for free, I would probably install Vista just for the heck of it... :)
[03:54] <nixternal> I have to admit, I do like it better than any previous version of Windows thus far...it is fairly fast, and it installed in less than 30 minutes
[03:54] <Hobbsee> have you cleaned yourself vigourously today?
[03:55] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:55] <nixternal> I feel so dirty
[03:55] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:55] <nixternal> well, I was going to nix windows totally, but I am interested in writing some cross platform code, so I kind of need it in a way
[03:55] <Jucato> using Qt I presume/hope? :)
[03:56] <nixternal> of course
[03:57] <nixternal> OK, I am going to go home
[03:57] <nixternal> he handed out the lab and it is time to roll!
[03:57] <Jucato> hehe take care :)
[03:57] <Jucato> breakfast sounds good just about now... brb :)
[05:27] <coreymon77> well guys, wish me luck for the meeting tomorrow
[05:28] <coreymon77> im going for membership
[08:49] <Jucato> !ppa
[08:49] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[09:07] <Lure> all digital camera lowers can test new libgphoto2 from my ppa
[09:07] <Lure> I hope we can arrange UVF for it
[09:08] <Jucato> now all I need is to think of a reason to buy a digicam :)
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: did you find any problems in the latest dolphin yet?
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: at first I couldn't see your compress servicemenu, but I realized you have to select some files first :)
[09:33] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I think your 0.9.2 version update didn't get uploaded yet
[09:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well, I have it on my systems since an hour ago :)
[09:34] <Jucato> but I did manage to implement Restore Item and Empty trash. yay!
[09:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: maybe you should update ? :)
[09:34] <Jucato> yeah
[09:34] <Jucato> been too busy trying to catch up with my e-mail and C++ hahah
[09:34] <_StefanS_> would be nice to see if something was missing
[09:35] <Jucato> although I'm still quite unsatisfied with how the whole compress thing has been implemented. but I see that even the KDE 4 version uses the same ark_*.desktop servicemenus
[09:35] <_StefanS_> yea.. ark is not very fantastic to start with.
[09:36] <_StefanS_> it always manages to crash, og display an error when you're browsing archives, I think
[09:36] <_StefanS_> (although they can extract fine..)
[09:36] <Jucato> that, and the fact that you can only compress either files only, or the whole/current directory. nothing in between...
[09:37] <Jucato> you can't pick a few files and a few folders to compress...
[09:38] <Jucato> oh well, at least now it's bearable :)
[09:38] <_StefanS_> yes.. guess it will never be that perfect.
[09:38] <_StefanS_> uhm.. I want to buy something..
[09:38] <Jucato> new hardware?
[09:38] <_StefanS_> I've been looking at some Dell Vostro's
[09:38] <_StefanS_> yea, or a Quad something.
[09:38] <_StefanS_> Jucato: what harddisk are you looking for?
[09:39] <_StefanS_> I got a few around
[09:39] <Jucato> haven't really thought about it. heheh
[09:39] <Jucato> It's still 2 months away. the money I saved up is going to my teeth first :)
[09:39] <_StefanS_> is it 3.5" or 2.5" ?
[09:40] <Jucato> 3.5", probably internal IDE. my mobo can't do SATA I think
[09:40] <_StefanS_> ah you're in luck.. I've got a 750gb disk i'm not using
[09:40] <_StefanS_> maybe we can find out something.
[09:41] <Jucato> hehe thanks for the offer. I don't think it will be possible though... shipping conditions are below satisfactory here :(
[09:41] <_StefanS_> no UPS or something?
[09:42] <Jucato> UPS? no I don't think so. oh well. no biggie :)
[09:42] <_StefanS_> ah ok..
[09:42] <Jucato> it will teach me the value of saving and being a thrifty/economic geek, if that were even possible
[09:42] <_StefanS_> hehe yes sure will :)
[09:42] <Jucato> heh looks like dolphin is the only update after all hahah
[09:43] <_StefanS_> wow.. check out the new stuff on the ATI/amd fglrx driver.. seems like they finally have made some improvements (www.phoronix.com)
[09:44] <_StefanS_> wow and AIGLX for next month :D
[09:44] <Jucato> yeah it's all over the IT/FOSS news... I still wish Intel developed AGP's :)
[09:44] <Jucato> you would almost get open everything...
[09:45] <_StefanS_> yea.. I'm using an intel gma 950 for 1920x1200 res, and I cant see why I would need anything more
[09:45] <_StefanS_> IGP's are actually pretty good these days.
[09:46] <_StefanS_> but then again, my firegl in the thinkpad is really needing some speed improvements, so I cant wait to test the new driver
[09:46] <Jucato> :)
[09:46] <Jucato> ok Dolphin works great
[09:47] <Jucato> _StefanS_: thanks a lot :)
[09:47] <_StefanS_> good thing.. I'm off for fixing that kdebluetooth. Still has a segfault in Paired devices :(
[09:48] <Jucato> yeah still getting apport notices
[09:48] <Jucato> even strigidaemon...
[09:48] <_StefanS_> np :D - I stayed up late last night to make it available, but I've had plenty of coffee now to keep me going most of the day
[09:48] <Jucato> I can never get strigi to work properly... even start indexing properly
[09:48] <Jucato> hah the other day I worked from 9pm to 3am on that trash patch :P
[09:49] <Jucato> then when I woke up around 8am that morning, I started working on it again
[09:49] <_StefanS_> I havent paid much attention to strigi, I'm not very fond of the crawling background meta-engine stuff.
[09:49] <Jucato> it's my first intensive hacking session, and my 2nd patch yahoo! (google!)
[09:49] <_StefanS_> hehe, when something interests you, It can keep you going for quite a while
[09:50] <_StefanS_> I even went out and bought a bluetooth dongle for my server just to have a possibility to test without using the laptop
[09:50] <Jucato> hehe :)
[09:50] <_StefanS_> well.. gotta see if it can be fixed
[09:50] <_StefanS_> and buy some new hardware :D
[09:50] <Jucato> one thing that I learned, though, (fortunately or unfortunately) that it's not enough to know how to code here... you absolutely need to know how to package... or at least produce a proper .dsc -> debdiff :(
[09:51] <_StefanS_> well, I hated those debdiffs, but its starting to work for me..
[09:51] <_StefanS_> debuild -S is your friend.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> atleast until it breaks :D
[09:51] <Jucato> it always breaks when you're new :)
[09:51] <_StefanS_> hehe yes, I noticed.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> hmm seems like I got a spare 17" lcd also.
[09:52] <Jucato> hehe
[09:52] <Jucato> lots of spares :)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> hehe yea, I love to tinkle with hardware. I've got a new morex case coming in tomorrow, so I can refit my _slow_ VIA EPIA-EX board
[09:53] <_StefanS_> maybe for some mediacenter stuff
[09:53] <Jucato> hhahah
[09:53] <_StefanS_> but.. it will probably end up as an apt cache for my local lan.
[09:53] <Jucato> hardware is one of my waterloos
[09:53] <_StefanS_> hardware doesn't like you ? :)
[09:54] <Jucato> not much :)
[09:55] <_StefanS_> wow.. I just found a cheap dual quad core Dell PowerEdge..
[09:55] <Jucato> after getting grounded/shocked a few times for different reasons, I got the message :)
[09:55] <_StefanS_> tempting :D
[09:55] <Jucato> hehe :)
[09:56] <_StefanS_> let me know about that harddrive if you find some solid means of transport. I've got a 500gig sata aswell, btw.
[09:56] <Jucato> wow :)
[09:59] <_StefanS_> I found some 200gb notebook harddrives from Hitachi (fastest there is) a while ago, unfortunately I couldn't get them here in denmark, so I ended up ordering them from california. But it was really worth it. These babies are fast.
[10:00] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I havent got any motherboards to spare though :D
[10:01] <Jucato> lol
[10:01] <Jucato> the next time I buy a motherboard, I'll be buying a whole new processor as well, plus RAM
[10:01] <Jucato> so it'd be like a new purchase... but that'd be for 2008 or 2009 hehe
[10:02] <_StefanS_> well thats in the future :)
[10:02] <_StefanS_> hey I got a strigi daemon in the tray now.. kinda nice
[10:02] <Jucato> yeah. now hope you have luck getting it to work properly :P
[10:03] <_StefanS_> already removed it :D
[10:03] <Jucato> lol
[10:03] <_StefanS_> hate cpu-hogging crawlers on my system.
[10:03] <_StefanS_> I can tolerate updatedb.. but nothing more.
[10:04] <Jucato> I think strigi hogs less compared to beagle
[10:05] <_StefanS_> probably. but beagle, google desktop and strigi should basically just vapor from my systems. just my MHO.
[10:05] <Jucato> heheh :)
[10:05] <_StefanS_> gotta get my laptop hooked up this gigantic monitor..
[10:06] <_StefanS_> off to find some adapters :)
[10:06] <Jucato> hm.. dunno if it's a feature or a bug... but if you're in strigi:/ in konqueror, you can't change/type into the location bar at all
[10:06] <Jucato> hahah
[10:06] <HardwareGuy> :D
[10:07] <Jucato> lol
[10:07] <Jucato> I'm off to find someone to eat
[10:07] <Jucato> starving...
[10:07] <_StefanS_> yep see you.
[10:07] <Jucato> er... s/someone/something/
[10:32] <Lure_> _StefanS_: 200GB hitachi - are those 7200 RPM?
[10:36] <Lure_> kwwii: thanks, but I need it in 2.5" / 7200 RPM form factor ;-)
[10:37] <Lure_> kwwii: how are you? is work for general ubuntu family fun?
[10:37] <kwwii> Lure_: oh well, too bad then :-)
[10:37] <kwwii> Lure_: I am doing pretty well, things are hectic; lots to do
[10:38] <Lure_> kwwii: jumping between stuff or you are more mobile focus for this release?
[10:38] <kwwii> Lure_: jumping between several projects
[10:38] <Lure_> kwwii: yeah, that is never too good on longer run
[10:38] <kwwii> kubuntu, ubuntu, a bit of edubuntu and gobuntu, the mobile stuff and a other smaller things
[10:39] <kwwii> I think in the end I get less work done when I have to keep switching back and forth
[10:39] <Lure_> kwwii: do you know if anybody is now pushing update of kubuntu.org?
[10:39] <kwwii> Lure_: nope, nobody is working on it :-(
[10:39] <Lure_> since I know you are very busy
[10:39] <Lure_> :-(
[10:40] <kwwii> the design has been done for months and months but nobody wants to make the actual CMS
[10:40] <Lure_> kwwii: were there any community members that wanted to participate?
[10:40] <kwwii> Lure_: yepp, mhb started but apparently he does not have any more time
[10:40] <kwwii> since then nobody has done anything with it
[10:40] <Lure_> I really think we need to find somebody that can do *something* (even if not that much)
[10:41] <kwwii> yeah, me too
[10:41] <Lure_> kwwii: yep, mhb rocked a lot on other fronts, maybe we can ask him now that GSoC is over
[10:41] <Lure_> kwwii: we should just copy CMS from ubuntu/edubuntu/something - I am sure something like this should be doable
[10:41] <Lure_> kwwii: and not reinvent again
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Lure_: yea they are
[10:42] <Lure_> _StefanS_: do they have them also as PATA? Can you provide th link to store?
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Lure_: got them from excaliberpc
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Lure_: not sure about pata :( chect hitachi-gst.com
[10:43] <_StefanS_> check
[10:44] <kwwii> Lure_: yeah, that would be the best solution with the least amount of work
[10:44] <Lure_> _StefanS_: are they loud (his old 3.5" hitachi was pretty loud)?
[10:45] <Lure_> _StefanS_: it seems PATA ends at 100GB
[10:47] <_StefanS_> yea indeed.
[10:47] <_StefanS_> get a slow seagate then
[10:47] <kwwii> lol, the artwork mailing list has 2,500+ messages in the queue - I knew I shouldn't have taken the administrator job
[10:49] <Riddell> kwwii: mostly spam presumably?
[10:50] <Riddell> I set all my mailing lists to reject anything not from a subscriber, it's the only way to stop the spam they attract
[10:50] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, and every time I try to discard them my browser crashes
[10:50] <kwwii> Riddell: probably the best idea
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Lure_: the acoustics are as the 5400rpm, and heat likewise.
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Lure_: good quality, better than 7k100 which was good to start with.
[10:54] <Lure_> _StefanS_: thanks for good info, really need to do something about this
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Lure_: and its _very_ fast also.
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Lure_: due to the 16mb cache obviously.
[10:58] <Jucato> moin Lure_, Riddell, kwwii
[10:58] <Lure_> Jucato: hi
[11:00] <kwwii> hi Jucato
[11:00] <Jucato> oooh kde4 finally has a semi-working panel :)
[11:00] <Riddell> Jucato: trying out 3.93?
[11:01] <Jucato> from svn
[11:01] <Jucato> do we have packages already? I'd be willing to test them too :)
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: you should update your system.
[11:06] <Jucato> hm?
[11:06] <_StefanS_> yea its in the repos
[11:07] <Jucato> ah ok.
[11:07] <Jucato> I thought some special repo or something heheh
[11:13] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[11:13] <Tonio_> hi everyone :)
[11:13] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[11:13] <raphink> :)
[11:14] <Jucato> hi Tonio_! :)
[11:26] <_StefanS_> hi Tonio_
[11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will look more on that segfault later. There's possibly something wrong with input devices as well. I keep getting asked to Accept my mouse connection.
[11:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah......
[11:28] <Tonio_> that's pretty annoying
[11:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: did that work better before ?
[11:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lots of fixes on svn so I'll try to upgrade the package tomorrow or toonight
[11:41] <_StefanS_> it worked better before, i think. but update from svn, and lets see if it works.
[11:41] <_StefanS_> I guess the segfault is still present, so ill just go on with that
[01:00] <Riddell> kwwii: ..
[01:07] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks for the phone call :-)
[01:24] <fdoving> wow.. my strigi index is 6.4G and still indexing.
[02:04] <Riddell> fdoving: I'm up to 40GB
[02:05] <Jucato> you guys are lucky. strigidaemon keeps dying on me when I start indexing...
[02:05] <Riddell> tried getting a backtrace?
[02:05] <Riddell> or I guess reporting it with apport and letting someone else do that
[02:06] <Jucato> hm... apport never appears...
[02:07] <Jucato> I just click on Start indexing, then it switches back to Start daemon
[02:07] <Jucato> doing this through konq btw
[02:08] <Riddell> hmm, apport should appear
[02:08] <Riddell> have you tried rm -r ~/.strigi first?
[02:10] <Jucato> ok I'll try that now
[02:11] <Jucato> still died, but did index 650 files
[02:12] <Jucato> I'm guessing I have a file that murders strigi :)
[02:13] <Riddell> rm -r ~/.strigi and run gdb strigidaemon
[02:13] <Jucato> then?
[02:17] <hunger> Riddell: I gave up trying to run gdb on strigi after 3 days:-)
[02:17] <Jucato> what would be the -dbg package for strigi? kdelibs-dbg or kdebase-dbg?
[02:17] <hunger> Riddell: It still had not reached the critical file by then.
[02:17] <Jucato> hi hunger! saw the new Dolphin features? :)
[02:17] <hunger> Jucato: Nope.
[02:18] <Jucato> aw... :P
[02:18] <Jucato> "Empty Deleted Items" implemented for your pleasure :)
[02:19] <hunger> Jucato: Seems it can do way more stuff to the Trash now... emptying it is still not possible though:-|
[02:19] <Jucato> hunger: it is. just right-click in an empty space in the Trash folder
[02:19] <hunger> Jucato: Ah! Found it! Great.
[02:19] <hunger> Jucato: I had expected it in the Information bar though.
[02:20] <Jucato> hm...  I think I built dolphin from svn wrong, because the one from kde4base doesn't crash :(
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you around?
[03:02] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: greetings!  i believe it's meeting time
[03:02] <Riddell> isn't it in two hours?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not according to fridge, nor my email
[03:03] <Riddell> nope, it's not :)
[03:03] <Riddell> kwwii: ping
[03:03] <kwwii> Riddell: pong
[03:03] <kwwii> meeting time
[03:04] <Riddell> Lure: ping
[03:04] <Lure> Riddell: pong
[03:05] <Lure> oh, meeting... I will watch but not sure how much I can participate (work, phone calls and stuff inbetween)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Lure: that's fine.
[03:08] <Jucato> good luck Lure :)
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just saw that strigidaemon runs by default now
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: it uses 100% of my cpu since this morning, is that normal ?
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: beagle wasn't that long to scan my profile
[03:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: It's part of the Tracker emulation.
[03:30] <Tonio_> ScottK: oki but 8 hours of cpu overloading seems a bit too much
[03:30] <ScottK> I agree.
[03:30] <Tonio_> ScottK: especially since I don't have that many files on that machine....
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_, there's a meeting on
[03:30] <Jucato> forgot to ask about strigi in the meeting... is it really ready for gutsy considering most seem to have problems with it?
[03:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah but I can't be there this time, I'm at work....
[03:31] <Tonio_> ust connecting to read but I can't really speak
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: how about you ask that in said meeting?
[03:32] <Jucato> ok... after the other agenda :)
[03:35] <sahin_w> Lure and Riddell: I use the new kdepim (Lure special edition ;-)) whole day without any problem. Work like a charm as an imap and dimap client.
[03:35] <Jucato> is pasting in Compose fixed already?
[03:36] <sahin_w> Jucato: Yes
[03:36] <Jucato> yay! :)
[03:36] <sahin_w> Jucato: However I didn't ecounter any kind of crash.
[03:36] <Jucato> how about just a plain freeze when pasting?
[03:37] <fdoving> Tonio_: how big is your index, mine is ~8G and still indexing. seems uselessly huge to me. i will soon need an extra strigi-usbdisk.
[03:37] <Jucato> gonna try it now anyway..
[03:37] <sahin_w> Jucato: I use ctrl+c and ctrl+v. And I also use mouse left click than mouse middel click for testing.
[03:37] <sahin_w> Jucato: For me that's rock solid.
[03:38] <Jucato> sahin_w: yay! works great! thanks :)
[03:39] <sahin_w> Jucato: It's not my merit. I'm just testing it.
[03:40] <Jucato> heh ok :)
[03:40] <Jucato> thanks anyway
[03:41] <Riddell> sahin_w: excellent, which version is that?
[03:41] <sahin_w> Riddell: This is Lure's version.
[03:41] <sahin_w> Riddell: You can reach it on the Lure's ppa
[03:42] <Tonio_> fdoving: lemme check
[03:43] <sahin_w> Riddell: I use this version: kmail_3.5.7enterprise20070904-0ubuntu1~ppa~lure1
[03:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: mine is 2 gigs atm, still indexing
[03:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: my home is only 9 gigs
[03:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: mostly mp3s
[03:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: means that the index is probably bigger than my all text files
[03:44] <Tonio_> fdoving: there's a bug I guess
[03:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm on my contrib day tomorrow, so if you have todos to share, please email me the list :)
[03:46] <sahin_w> Riddell: Sorry for the desinformation I use the following kdepim packages:
[03:46] <sahin_w> Riddell: kdepim-4:3.5.7enterprise20070904-0ubuntu2~ppa~lure1
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: something broke with kdebluetooth, it seems
[03:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: The diferences between the previous and the last one the imap flag handling fix.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> it cant find my phone anymore
[03:47] <Riddell> sahin_w: great, I'll upload that
[03:47] <sahin_w> Riddell: Lure added this IMAP fix to the latest one.
[03:49] <sahin_w> Riddell: Ok, thanks. More test to come... Bye!
[03:51] <manchicken> Riddell: There's supposed to be a /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde, right?
[03:52] <nixternal> alrighty, school time...be back in a few hours
[03:58] <manchicken> It seems like KDE4's startkde is missing.
[04:03] <Jucato> manchicken: yeah seems so...
[04:10] <Lure> Riddell: I wanted to monitor other fixes in enterprise to se if we should include some more before beta
[04:11] <bddebian> Heya
[04:11] <Lure> Riddell: but if you are fine with multiple uploads, you can upload also that single impa fix (it is one liner)
[04:12] <Lure> Tonio_: I suspect strigi has some infinite loop bug in one of it threads (or polling problem)
[04:12] <Lure> Jucato: paste should be rock solid now
[04:13] <Jucato> Lure: yeah. thanks! :)
[04:13] <Jucato> I managed to download all my pop already. but I was scared of trying to compose any mail :)
[04:14] <Jucato> kmail doesn't have a way of giving you your total mail spanning across all folders (except sent/outbox), does it?
[04:17] <Lure> Jucato: I think not
[04:17] <Jucato> aaah. seems like a user ran into another dolphin bug...
[04:18] <Jucato> one that I really wouldn't know how to fix ehehe
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Konqueror started freezing for flash again :(
[04:21] <Riddell> DaSkreech: install new gtk?
[04:21] <Riddell> Jucato: what's that?
[04:21] <DaSkreech> sorry?
[04:21] <DaSkreech> What gtk ?
[04:22] <Jucato> "Does anyone know whats up with the cut-and-paste option in Dolphin. Like i cut a folder on one hard drive and dump it on my desktop and its appears to have been moved fine but the original one is still there but shaded. Am i the only one getting this?"
[04:22] <Riddell> do you have it installed?
[04:22] <DaSkreech> no
[04:22] <Jucato> I can confirm that bug. From USB drive to hard drive
[04:23] <Jucato> hm... actually the bug seems to only happen if you cut from one dolphin window and paste to another window
[04:25] <DaSkreech> I need gtk now for the flash to work>
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Man I hope Adobe follows AMD soon
[04:29] <bddebian> Not likely
[04:32] <hunger> Hi DaSkreech.
[04:32] <hunger> DaSkreech: You pinged me the day before yesterday?
[04:32] <Jucato> that was a long pong heheh :)
[04:33] <hunger> Jucato: I saw the ping while shutting down my box to head home...
[04:33] <Jucato> hehe :)
[04:36] <Jucato> Riddell: startkde seems to be missing in beta 2 (as manchicken discovered)
[04:36] <Riddell> Jucato: tried kdebase-workspace?
[04:36] <Jucato> ok will try
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger
[04:37] <DaSkreech> hwo are you?
[04:37] <hunger> DaSkreech: Not that well.
[04:37] <DaSkreech> hunger: Doctor not that well?
[04:38] <hunger> DaSkreech: Nah, one of my close relatives died.
[04:38] <Jucato> Riddell: sorry, tried the beta1 instructions and didn't see the kdebase-workspace package. updating now :/
[04:38] <DaSkreech> hunger: terribly sorry to hear :(
[04:39] <Jucato> my condolences hunger :(
[04:39] <hunger> DaSkreech: Thanks.
[04:41] <DaSkreech> that's not good?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> sorry no ?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Damn my questioning nature
[04:43] <hunger> DaSkreech: Laptop broke and went to repair (for 10days!) and then I discovered my HDD is ruined as well, tax authorities informed me that I owe them lots of money (because my last employer had screwed up), my wife broke her finger and then my mom died all of a sudden. Oh, what fun I had in those 3 weeks.
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Wait afteryour laptop came back the HDD was ruined?
[04:45] <hunger> DaSkreech: I send it in without the HDD... but couldn't check its state without the laptop.
[04:45] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:45] <DaSkreech> USB cases come in useful
[04:46] <hunger> DaSkreech: Not without a computer to connect it to:-( Only have my laptop:-(
[04:46] <DaSkreech> oh
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh, guess i'd better do the honours
[04:46] <DaSkreech> I guess you were on a holiday around people with no computers
[04:46] <DaSkreech> hooobsee!
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:47] <DaSkreech> that came out wrong
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hiya DaSkreech
[04:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you're already a member.
[04:47] <hunger> DaSkreech: My parents/parents in law have my *old* boxes... both date from the pre-USB area (PII).
[04:48] <DaSkreech> hunger: Yeah I had to work on one of those
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Riddell: are you saying I need gtk for flash to work?
[04:49] <Jucato> didn't it always?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> I don't think so
[04:49] <DaSkreech>  I was using it two days ago without
[04:49] <Jucato> Depends: debconf | debconf-2.0, wget, libgtk2.0-0, fontconfig, libxt6, libxext6, libatk1.0-0, libc6, libcairo2, libexpat1, libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, libglib2.0-0, libice6, libpango1.0-0, libpng12-0, libsm6, libx11-6, libxau6, libxcursor1, libxdmcp6, libxfixes3, libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, zlib1g
[04:50] <Jucato> let me see the one for feisty
[04:50] <DaSkreech> this is gutsy
[04:50] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I'm not sure, I'll test
[04:51] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I'm just saying that Flash has always depended on GTK
[04:51] <DaSkreech> I booted up (Live Cd) upgraded konqueror related items and then went to some random site that needs flsh
[04:51] <DaSkreech> it pops up I install
[04:52] <DaSkreech> since nixternal put up the changelog that it was fixed that was sufficent
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: done the meeting honours
[04:52] <Hobbsee> er, membership honours
[04:52] <DaSkreech> this morning it went back to freezing
[04:52] <Hobbsee> that's my contribution to writeups of the meeting :P
[04:53] <Jucato> oh krap!! I knew I forgot to ask Tonio_ something... :/
[04:53] <Riddell> thanks Hobbsee
[04:53] <DaSkreech> hunger: I think my question can wait then
[04:53] <Jucato> s/can/should/ :P
[04:54] <hunger> DaSkreech: Just ask.
[04:55] <DaSkreech> under Decibel/khalki would it be possible to tie a person IM to their IRC name and enable a IM initiate from inside konversation ?
[04:55] <Jucato> wouldn't that be fantastic? heheh
[04:56] <hunger> DaSkreech: Decibel is a "Phonon for IM"... of course you can add such stuff to konversation.
[04:56] <Jucato> right now, though, you can already associate konvi w/ kaddressbook
[04:56] <DaSkreech> So I could for example under the watched nicks see that someone is not on IRC but is on IM?
[04:56] <hunger> DaSkreech: Decibel makes it *very* easy to do something like that, but just having Decibel will not cause all that to suddenly work:-)
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yes but as I understand it all that stuff doesn't exist in KDE4 anymore
[04:57] <DaSkreech> hunger: I know I was just trying to think of things to do in konvi for KDE4
[04:57] <Jucato> well, Konvi for KDE 4 doesn't even exist yet :)
[04:57] <DaSkreech> I know
[04:57] <DaSkreech> that's why I'm prethinking
[04:57] <hunger> DaSkreech: Port Konversation to decibel:-)
[04:58] <hunger> DaSkreech: Then it can do IM itself in addition to IRC;-)
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Sho_ says that he will probably port Konvi to KDE4/Qt4 then sit out a relelase or so then integrate cool stuff
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :) that's too funky for words hunger
[04:58] <hunger> DaSkreech: And decibel will update the addressbook and stuff with state from IRC;-)
[04:59] <DaSkreech> I don't even know how Ironic it woudl be to make voice calls from Konversation
[04:59] <DaSkreech> it would finally live up to it's name!
[04:59] <hunger> DaSkreech: Actually I think with Decibel stuff like konversation as we know it is dead (or at least I hope so;-)
[05:00] <DaSkreech> I think we all know that KDe4 changes things dramatically
[05:00] <Jucato> now we just have to wait for akonadi for all of this...
[05:00] <Jucato> to add more to this I mean
[05:00] <hunger> DaSkreech: Basically all the core stuff (connect to some service, handle accounts, etc.) is in Decibel. No need to reimplement that.
[05:00] <DaSkreech> It's just a balance act to placate those who have future shock while giving power to those who are still waiting to utter "Make it so"
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Yes I know
[05:01] <DaSkreech> I was just trying to see how konvi kould kapitalize on it
[05:01] <hunger> DaSkreech: UIs are just registered with that core and triggered as needed.
[05:01] <DaSkreech> argh
[05:01] <DaSkreech> I keep lapsing into that
[05:02] <hunger> So the konversation GUI could be some really sophisticated multi-tab chat frontend.
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Hmm someone needs to remind me t mail nixternal
[05:02] <DaSkreech> hunger: not with it's curernt tab hotkey scheme
[05:02] <hunger> DaSkreech: The nick list could be in a different application...
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:05] <DaSkreech> but with the number of chat buddies I have and the number of servers/rooms I join I'd have to get dual monitors and stack them on top of each other
[05:05] <DaSkreech> I can't even imagine people like MEz
[05:11] <DaSkreech> at that point we should rename the app to Kackle
[05:11] <DaSkreech> or Kakaphony
[05:17] <Jucato> Riddell: where would dolphin and konsole be in the beta2 packages?
[05:19] <Riddell> Jucato: kde4base, same as always
[05:20] <Jucato> Riddell: ah so in addition to kdebase-workspace, we also need kde4base?
[05:20] <Riddell> that should be a dependency no?
[05:20] <Jucato> should be...
[05:20] <Jucato> hm...
[05:21] <Jucato> no it doesn't seem so... unless there were changes within the past 45 minutes or so?
[05:22] <Riddell> spooky, it's right there in the source
[05:22] <Jucato> apt-cache says Replaces: kde4base
[05:22] <Riddell> that should be versioned though
[05:26] <Riddell> oh, I see the problem
[05:27] <Riddell> two depends lines is going to confuse everything
[05:27] <Jucato> heh ok. I'll wait for the fix so I can retry and test everything again :)
[05:31] <Riddell> just install kde4base, that'll do exactly the same
[05:32] <Jucato> yeah. just so we could know if there are any hiccups, right? :)
[05:33] <manchicken> Powermanager is working so nicely.
[05:42] <stdin> hmm, should kde4base depend on libxklavier-dev in feisty (instead of libxklavier11-dev, seeing as it doesn't exist)?
[05:44] <Riddell> maybe, maybe
[05:44] <Riddell> stdin: any other build-deps like that?
[05:45] <stdin> I'm having a look now
[05:52] <Riddell> DaSkreech: do you really not have gtk installed?  it's needed by openoffice, amarok, kipi and others
[05:52] <DaSkreech> libgtk?
[05:52] <Riddell> libgtk2.0-0
[05:52] <DaSkreech> actually yeah
[05:52] <Riddell> is it the latest version?
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Blast!
[05:53] <DaSkreech> thanks
[05:54] <Riddell> hmm, if I do remove gtk flash doesn't appear at all
[05:54] <Riddell> which is better than freezing the app
[05:59] <Riddell> I suspect it has always done that however
[06:02] <DaSkreech> ok live and learn
[06:02] <DaSkreech> ATI open source drivers :)
[06:02] <Riddell> that announced somewhere?
[06:02] <DaSkreech>  hopefully Flash will do the same and we can have a QT flash :)
[06:02] <DaSkreech> Riddell: no they are just giving out the specs to futuer cards
[06:02] <Riddell> flash is quite different from a hardware driver
[06:03] <DaSkreech> The official driver is still closed but the spec is there so we can build our own drivers
[06:03] <DaSkreech>  we just need a open flash spec :)
[06:03] <Riddell> flash spec has always been open
[06:03] <Riddell> and gnash is doing a decent job these days, swfdec too
[06:03] <Riddell> (but not decent enough for gutsy I believe)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> I thought they gave out the spec for one version behing
[06:04] <DaSkreech> behind
[06:04] <Riddell> maybe, I've not heard of that
[06:09] <DaSkreech> http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=302
[06:14] <hunger> Does somebody know where I can get one of those open moko phones?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> From openmoko?
[06:24] <hunger> DaSkreech: Wow, that was easy:-)
[06:26] <Riddell> stdin: find anything?
[06:27] <stdin> Riddell: nothing that pops out at me
[06:28] <Riddell> thanks
[06:51] <Riddell> meduxa!
[06:51] <Riddell> meduxa: still able to pick me and K up from the airport on saturday evening?
[06:56] <Riddell> meduxa: look who's famous! http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/BuildingaBetterUbuntu5&6.pdf
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Isn't tribe 6 today?
[06:58] <Riddell> is anyone still suffering from the adept_manager descriptions bug?  it seems to have fixed itself for me
[06:58] <Riddell> DaSkreech: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-September/000337.html
[06:58] <Riddell> also known as "I wanted to get some work done"
[06:58] <meduxa> hi
[06:58] <Tm_T> mooh mooh
[06:59] <meduxa> Rene Martin from the organization of the event is going to pick you up
[06:59] <Tm_T> looks like our media announcements will be sent tomorrow/monday
[06:59] <meduxa> he lives close to your hotel
[06:59] <Riddell> meduxa: ok
[06:59] <Riddell> meduxa: so still wanting to give us a tour round the classy parts of the island sometime next week?
[07:00] <meduxa> yes
[07:00] <Riddell> meduxa: do you have my mobile number?
[07:00] <meduxa> 678472611 is my mobile
[07:00] <Riddell> thanks
[07:00] <Riddell> +44<PHONE_NUMBER> is me
[07:00] <Riddell> meduxa: that's +34 presumably?
[07:01] <meduxa> call me. I was thinking about a tour on tuesday or wednesday and have dinner with some of coleagues
[07:01] <Riddell> great
[07:01] <meduxa> nois cheaper if you call me from the hotel
[07:01] <meduxa> you don't have to press +34
[07:02] <Riddell> ok
[07:05] <meduxa> hey...is Cristo on the paper
[07:05] <meduxa> jajajaja
[07:07] <meduxa> cristo and richard dale will be on your conference if everything goes ok
[07:08] <meduxa> they will come from gran canaria to tenerife those days
[07:09] <Riddell> I'm giving the first tutorial, I've never spoken for 4 hours solid before
[07:09] <meduxa> just prepare 3 and make people ask you questions
[07:10] <meduxa> during the whole tutorial
[07:23] <meduxa> by the way, I published today some crazy ideas about the kmenu I though about in aKademy
[07:23] <meduxa> http://agustin.ejerciciosresueltos.com
[07:27] <Riddell> meduxa: you should get your english language blogs on planet kde
[07:27] <Riddell> trouble with full screen stuff is users will say "where have my apps gone"
[07:28] <Riddell> but it is true there's no paticular reason for kmenu to be so small
[07:28] <Jucato> have you guys heard of Kuartet?
[07:28] <meduxa> with transparency you don't have that feeling
[07:28] <Riddell> although it would need a design that the list of entries weren't too tall for the screen
[07:28] <Riddell> Jucato: nope
[07:28] <Jucato> it doesn't even have to be "full screen"
[07:29] <meduxa> nope
[07:29] <meduxa> it doesn't, it only have to be big
[07:29] <Jucato> I haven't tried it out for a long time. it's basically a clone of Mezzo (Symphony OS) for KDE
[07:29] <Jucato> using superkaramba last time I checked. but I think he's doing it in code now
[07:29] <Jucato> http://kuartetdesktop.sourceforge.net/
[07:30] <Jucato> er.. s/now/before it sort of died
[07:30] <meduxa> riddell, what do I have to do to get into planet?
[07:30] <Jucato> http://kuartetdesktop.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[07:31] <Jucato> meduxa: we almost have the same idea for a main menu. I like kickoff a bit, but I'm not 100% comfortable that it's in the corner of the screen.
[07:31] <meduxa> man, next time I have an idea, instead of thinking about it for some hours and write ir , I'll write it here
[07:31] <Jucato> TastyMenu has a feature that lets you detach the menu from the corner and resize it to whatever size (in %)
[07:31] <meduxa> kuartet is a great approach to what I have in mind
[07:31] <Jucato> hahah
[07:31] <Riddell> meduxa: make sure you have an english language rss feed and e-mail it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:32] <Riddell> Jucato: interesting
[07:32] <Jucato> meduxa: there are currently 3 (or 4 since you consider katapult) menu alternatives. I think they all have done some bits right
[07:33] <Jucato> I *was* planning on blogging about these K Menu alternatives and ideas... but then I took that vacation :)
[07:33] <Jucato> and also rm'ed my system... so I'll have to redo and re-experience :)
[07:33] <DaSkreech> katapult!! :)
[07:33] <Jucato> technically katapult isn't a menu :P
[07:34] <meduxa> kuartet only misses, in my opinion the idea of organicing the icons of the app directly instead of categoricin g them
[07:34] <Jucato> it's a multi-purpose launcher. and it's great for that purpose
[07:34] <Jucato> meduxa: that's why I was excited about Plasma. I think it offers these possibilities
[07:35] <meduxa> http://www.grupocpd.com/archivos_documentos/info_meduxa/meduxa_project_released/#
[07:36] <meduxa> is something close to this idea we implemented for meduxa, the distro I worked on
[07:36] <meduxa> yes you're right
[07:36] <meduxa> plasma can help to solve the problem
[07:37] <Riddell> hopefully plasma will be something other than just possibilities one day :)
[07:37] <Jucato> lol
[07:37] <Jucato> yeah I hope so too
[07:37] <meduxa> katapult is not a menu, I agree, but it is really useful
[07:37] <meduxa> especially for non english people
[07:37] <Jucato> meduxa: the problem with this is that it has to be sort of scalable. I mean that it can be used/adapted for different types of users. that setup for kids will mostly work for kids (or people who like it) only.
[07:38] <DaSkreech> meduxa: from reports people are using it on a daily basis now
[07:38] <Jucato> yeah katapult is great
[07:38] <meduxa> jucato, yes
[07:38] <meduxa> it has to be scalable
[07:38] <Jucato> heheh UI design.. my area of interest :)
[07:39] <meduxa> the point to forget about multilevel menus
[07:39] <Jucato> yes katapult is great and extremely useful. I'm a huge fan of it. but I would still dare say that it's not a 100% replacement for a well made menu
[07:39] <Jucato> I don't think we can't do away with submenus entirely... though
[07:40] <meduxa> and get into full size or big transparency, scalable wallpapers
[07:40] <meduxa> that works a a menu
[07:40] <DaSkreech> Jucato: You should so UI design a new katapult :)
[07:40] <meduxa> make the whole screen a menu
[07:40] <DaSkreech> I have some thoughts on the wiki
[07:41] <Jucato> DaSkreech: katapult doesn't need much of a new design as it does some new backends :)
[07:41] <DaSkreech> It so does need a new design
[07:41] <Jucato> like I said, for a multi-purpose launcher, it is almost perfect
[07:42] <Jucato> just imho
[07:42] <Riddell> it needs multiple options in my opinion
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Course Mez and I fight about that all the time :) but I still think that a dual UI design is needed to move it forward
[07:42] <Jucato> Riddell: ditto
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Riddell: exactly
[07:42] <Riddell> dual UI?
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:42] <Jucato> er?
[07:42] <DaSkreech> I love it as is
[07:42] <meduxa> for blind people, in  the future connecting katapult with audio will be great
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Quicksilver has a 3 step aproach to launching anything
[07:42] <DaSkreech> Mez (and most people) like the 3 step approach
[07:43] <DaSkreech> I like the simple type and launch approach even if it means losing flexibilty
[07:43] <DaSkreech> So having two UIs for search would be a boon
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Sort like simple and advanced
[07:43] <Riddell> multiple replies would be optional, it would still have one main option to choose
[07:44] <Riddell> however, katapult should go away and become krunner in kde 4 in my opinion
[07:44] <DaSkreech> You have use quicksilver right Riddell?
[07:44] <DaSkreech> I think that katapult can outdo krunner but not as it is now
[07:44] <Riddell> only briefly
[07:44] <Riddell> then fix krunner :)  no point having two such similar projects
[07:44] <DaSkreech> I agree that krunner shoudl take over the functions of katapult as it is now
[07:45] <DaSkreech> No I mean not as katapult is now :)
[07:45] <DaSkreech> I think the roadmap for krunner is laid out pretty well
[07:45] <Jucato> aseigo and Mez talked about it already. they have agreed to disagree on some matters but agreed that they could just leave krunner and katapult as different frontends to the same backends :)
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:46] <Jucato> but seriously... katapult needs a new implementation for the document catalog heheeh
[07:46] <Jucato> and don't look at me yet. last time I looked at the code, it made my headache
[07:48] <DaSkreech> I don't care about code right now I want people to throw ideas on the wiki
[07:48] <meduxa> for users archives are the important stuff, not apps. For many of them, once you have related format (extension) with app, they don't run the app and then open the doc, they do open the archive directly
[07:48] <DaSkreech> many minds make efficient implementation shallow
[07:48] <Jucato> O.o
[07:48] <Jucato> too many cooks spoil the dinner...or something like that :)
[07:49] <meduxa> we need a katapult not for apps but for archives
[07:49] <DaSkreech> yeah but everyone should say what's for dinner :)
[07:49] <Riddell> meduxa: archives meaning files?  or .tar archives?
[07:49] <meduxa> files, yes
[07:49] <DaSkreech> meduxa: you can open docs/archives/files with katapult
[07:49] <Jucato> meduxa: Katapult can launch/open files already
[07:50] <Jucato> but the implementation... is... um...
[07:50] <Jucato> :)
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Just can't specify which app
[07:50] <meduxa> yes
[07:50] <Jucato> unfortunately, right now, you have to be *very* specific where the file is. like in folder1/subfolder2/file1
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Strigi might help that
[07:51] <Jucato> ah strigi :)
[07:51] <meduxa> riddell it would be nice to allow more flexi ...yes, that's what I mean
[07:51] <Jucato> yes hopefully when strigi is fixed we can move the doc catalog to strigi
[07:52] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah I should try out that systray thing
[07:52] <Jucato> sigh...
[07:52] <Jucato> if only I could get strigi to even finish indexing without dying..
[07:53] <Jucato> is there a CLI command for starting indexing with strigi?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> strigidaemon I would guess
[07:56] <Jucato> that just starts the daemon, not the indexing
[07:56] <Jucato> I think
[07:56] <meduxa> DaSkreech where is the wiki you talked about?
[07:57] <Jucato> or not...
[07:57] <DaSkreech> http://katapult.kde.org/wiki/
[07:59] <meduxa> thanks
[08:04] <meduxa> I get errors in the suggestions forum. Can't get into any entry. Is it something wrong with it or it is something from My system?
[08:04] <DaSkreech> had issues with the server last week
[08:04] <DaSkreech>  still has gremlins
[08:04] <DaSkreech> which start with g
[08:04] <DaSkreech> so they are unwatned :(
[08:04] <meduxa> ok, I'll take a look any other day
[08:06] <meduxa> ok, I have to go, talk to you later
[08:06] <DaSkreech> bye! :)
[08:10] <manchicken> Powermanager seems to be doing much better today than it was yesterday.
[09:04] <nixternal> howdy
[09:05] <fdoving> hi. i'm having yet another disk crash, Wested Digital, in my homeserver. this is the second disk in 2 months.
[09:06] <fdoving> so i guess i'll try to recover from that this evening.
[09:09] <ScottK> fdoving: Every hard drive I've ever had die in less than 6 years (except one that died after a car crash) was a Western Digital.
[09:09] <fdoving> yeah, i have started a convert-to-hitachi process.
[09:15] <ScottK> I see.  I've had good luck with Seagate myself.
[09:40] <fdoving> ScottK: hah, guess how old the disk is. :)
[09:41] <fdoving> produced in 2001, 6 years :)
[09:41] <ScottK> Ah.  That's past design lifetime then.  IIRC it's 5.
[09:41] <ScottK> Hard to blame that one on WD.
[09:42] <fdoving> hey, it feels like i bought it yesterday :)
[09:42] <ScottK> Heh.
[09:43] <ScottK> I've got one PC with a HD that I'm sure is over 10 years old.  Now I'm wondering what brand it is (not enough to go crack the case mind you).
[09:44] <fdoving> new technology is so vulnerable.
[09:44] <stdin> I have a hitachi disk, it's about 6 years old and has seen 3 (yes 3) newer disks fail in it's time
[09:44] <fdoving> those old 300mb disks from whatever make still works in my 80386 machine.. i'm sure. :)
[09:46] <fdoving> i should probably move all stuff over from those WDs to the new hitachis then. since the other WD is probably around the same age.
[10:15] <Lynoure> Hi, I've tried on #ubuntu+1 and #kubuntu and no one seems to know what the recommended method to upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy (developement version) are. Is there a kubuntu page similar to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5 somewhere? I'd love to do my share of testing and reporting bugs, but if I upgrade in some wonky custom way, there might be false bugs reported because of that.
[10:17] <OculusAquilae> Lynoure: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu ?
[10:19] <Lynoure> OculusAquilae: otherwise, but no upgrade instructions there
[10:19] <OculusAquilae> Lynoure: that's right
[10:20] <OculusAquilae> Lynoure: try to look here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4/Kubuntu
[10:22] <Lynoure> Thanks
[10:38] <sahin_h> Riddell: Did you upload Lure latest and gratest kdepim packages to the Gutsy repo?
[10:39] <Riddell> oh, not yet, thanks for reminding me
[10:39] <sahin_h> Riddell: No problem. ;-)
[10:49] <coreymon77> hi guys
[10:49] <coreymon77> well?
[10:49] <coreymon77> how did i do?
[10:50] <ScottK> !logs
[10:50] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[10:50] <Riddell> also try http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/
[10:50] <Riddell> or just look at the kubuntu-members launchpad group
[10:52] <milian> how can I setup the strigi kicker applet to search in my kopete logs?
[11:08] <DaSkreech> milian: sounds like a #ubuntu+1 question
[11:08] <Riddell> milian: #strigi for that
[11:08] <DaSkreech> or #strigi :)
[11:08] <milian> thanks
[11:08] <Florian> hi
[11:12] <Florian> Are the kde4-packages already compiled?
[11:12] <stdin> for gutsy, yes
[11:13] <Florian> Oh.. I'm using 7.04. What a pity..
[11:13] <stdin> you'll have to wait a while then
[11:15] <Florian> ok, thanks
[11:17] <Riddell> hopefully they'll all compile tonight
[11:23] <coreymon77> Riddell: i got it?
[11:27] <Riddell> coreymon77: certainly did, congratulations
[11:27] <ScottK> nixternal_ wanted you there in person to torment you some more, but we wouldn't let him have the fun.
[11:27] <ScottK> coreymon77: Congratualtions.
[11:28] <ScottK> Just pretend I spelled that correctly.
[11:28] <coreymon77> wow
[11:28] <coreymon77> thanks
[11:29] <coreymon77> ScottK: i just took a look at the logs, i could see that nixternal didnt like the fact that i wasnt there
[11:30] <ScottK> He also gave you a +1, so don't hold it against him.
[11:30] <sahin_h> I installed KDE4. How can I install more plasma things?
[11:30] <ScottK> I'm mostly giving him grief for when he reads the scrollback.
[11:30] <coreymon77> i know
[11:30] <coreymon77> he just wanted to have some fun
[11:31] <ScottK> K
[11:33] <coreymon77> ScottK: was that the first time you have ever done an email application?
[11:35] <coreymon77> Riddell: was that the first time you have ever done an email application?
[11:39] <Riddell> coreymon77: yes
[11:40] <ryanakca> Who was it that had written a menu for dolphin... within the past few days? Jucato? mhb?
[11:40] <ryanakca> methinks it had to do with compress
[11:42] <Riddell> jucato was doing dolphin bits
[11:46] <Riddell> I've not heard of that
[11:47] <coreymon77> Riddell: so, there was something that you guys wnted me to do right?
[11:48] <Riddell> coreymon77: if you're interested in helping out with the development team, a short monthly team report is needed
[11:49] <ryanakca> !logs
[11:49] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[11:54] <coreymon77> Riddell: whats the report?
[11:56] <coreymon77> Riddell: and who was the CC member who gave me +1?
[11:57] <Riddell> jsgotangco
[11:57] <Riddell> coreymon77: just bullet points of the last month https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TeamReports
[11:58] <Riddell> coreymon77: it's due for the 22nd of each month (so I'll be away for this one)
[11:58] <Riddell> coreymon77: many of the points can be taken from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe6/Kubuntu
[12:10] <Florian> bye
[12:11] <coreymon77> Riddell: so, what kind of points should i put in the report? just summarize each of the headings under whats new?
[12:11] <Riddell> coreymon77: I guess so, and ask here what people have done, also look at gutsy-changes
[12:12] <Riddell> this is the first time this has been done so I'm not entirely sure what's expected
[12:12] <coreymon77> wasnt nixternal supposed to talk to me about it?
[12:16] <Riddell> yes


[23:50] <hpidcock> wallyworld: getting an error on uniter api tests but no error message ```OOPS: 118 passed, 1 skipped, 1 FAILED
[23:50] <hpidcock> --- FAIL: TestAll (10.94s)
[23:50] <hpidcock> FAIL
[23:50] <hpidcock> fail	github.com/juju/juju/api/uniter	10.967s```
[23:50] <wallyworld> hmmm
[23:50] <wallyworld> running locally?
[23:50] <hpidcock> had this on jenkins I think on friday
[23:51] <hpidcock> I'll see if its reproducible
[23:51] <wallyworld> what branch
[23:51] <hpidcock> develop
[23:51] <hpidcock> possibly a bug in teardown?
[23:52] <wallyworld> could be. a lot of stuff has landed in 2.8 and been forward ported. not sure how much develop work has been done of late
[23:57] <hpidcock> wallyworld: running the test package with https://godoc.org/golang.org/x/tools/cmd/stress results in the error
[23:58] <hpidcock> cd api/uniter && go test -c && stress ./uniter.test -test.cpu=10
[23:58] <wallyworld> but no error printed?


[16:26] <kirsan> Hi womans
[17:58] <belkinsa>
[18:03] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[18:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 11 18:03:56 2014 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:03] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? :)
[18:04]  * belkinsa is here
[18:05] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
[18:07] <pleia2> belkinsa: can you update that to move your agenda items down under "Agenda"?
[18:07] <dolasilla> o/
[18:07] <pleia2> (they're in the demo area, so I was a bit confused :))
[18:07] <belkinsa> Oh, sorry, I can.
[18:07] <pleia2> #topic 1311 Blueprint updates
[18:07] <pleia2> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-1311-ubuntu-women
[18:07] <belkinsa> Done
[18:08] <pleia2> so we still have a fair amount to do before the end of the cycle, anyone have any updates?
[18:08] <belkinsa> I have none.
[18:09] <Cheri703> I'm HERE!
[18:09] <Cheri703> I am late, but sorry
[18:09] <pleia2> dolasilla has translated and set up a demo of the contribution matrix that can be viewed in its temporary home here: http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Matrix/
[18:09] <dolasilla> ...yeah, was about to write that :)
[18:10] <Cheri703> sorry to interrupt
[18:10] <pleia2> welcome Cheri703
[18:10] <belkinsa> Oh, I remember now.  (about the quiz)
[18:11] <pleia2> eventually this is something we'd like to see on community.ubuntu.com, which we can point to
[18:11] <belkinsa> Wow, awesome job.
[18:12] <belkinsa> And I think it is ready, but I need to look at it closer =.
[18:12] <Cheri703> Can we have something in between "quite well" and "very little" for the "how well you know ubuntu" question? or is it pretty much set as is
[18:13] <pleia2> we'll want to review it and probably add some more logic, and a disclaimer about what all the landing options are (might seem strange to folks that development isn't considered)
[18:13] <belkinsa> Cheri703, agreed.
[18:13] <pleia2> Cheri703: sure
[18:14] <belkinsa> pleia2, agreed on this also.
[18:14] <pleia2> ok, if we don't have any more blueprint updates, we can move on to the rest of the agenda
[18:14] <pleia2> #topic Discussion on the upcoming election
[18:14] <dolasilla> Cheri703, we can modify of course
[18:14] <belkinsa> Could that preview be for anyone in the Community?
[18:14] <pleia2> "upcoming" is actually this summer :) but we want to be prepared this time
[18:14] <Cheri703> is *everyone's* term up this election, or?
[18:14] <pleia2> #link http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess
[18:14] <pleia2> Cheri703: yep, everyone
[18:14] <dolasilla> Cheri703, for the moment I did not touch the logic, just the landing pages
[18:15] <Cheri703> because I have been so MIA I was going to happily step down. :/ I feel bad for vanishing for the past several months
[18:15] <pleia2> belkinsa: you can share it, but I wouldn't tell the whole world, the server it lives on is a bit unreliable (it's a cheap VPS)
[18:15] <Cheri703> dolasilla: ok awesome
[18:15] <pleia2> Cheri703: I think it's fine to finish serving out your term, it's only a few more months
[18:16] <belkinsa> pleia2, alright.  I think think about going about it.
[18:16] <pleia2> (as long as you're ok with it)
[18:16] <Cheri703> sure! I will try to be less of a flake
[18:16] <pleia2> now, since we often have to do a 2nd call for nominees, I'm thinking we move all the dates on the link above up a month
[18:17] <dolasilla> pleia2, I fully agree
[18:17] <pleia2> so July 7th - August 5th <--- change that to June 7 - july 5th
[18:17] <pleia2> err July 5th
[18:17] <belkinsa> I agree also.
[18:17] <pleia2> and June
[18:17] <pleia2> bah
[18:17] <pleia2> I had it right :)
[18:17] <pleia2> someone want to take an action item to bump all the dates on the wiki page 1 month?
[18:17] <belkinsa> I will take it.
[18:18] <pleia2> and also add something for May 30th to "find someone to run the election"
[18:18] <pleia2> it has to be someone who isn't running
[18:18] <pleia2> I can help with any of the steps (it's not scary/hard to run)
[18:18] <pleia2> thanks belkinsa
[18:19] <belkinsa> Not a problem, but I only can change the dates.  I'm thinking about running in it.
[18:20] <pleia2> great
[18:20] <pleia2> #topic Focus on discussion ProjectHarvest (Seems to have enough feedback now)
[18:20] <pleia2> #link http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ProjectHarvest
[18:20] <pleia2> feedback is at the bottom of the page: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ProjectHarvest#Feedback
[18:20] <Cheri703> I will tentatively offer to help run the election
[18:20] <Cheri703> we can discuss what's involved
[18:20] <belkinsa> It seems that it could be used but the UI is lacking the look and ease of using it.
[18:20] <pleia2> thanks Cheri703 :)
[18:21] <pleia2> belkinsa: *nods*
[18:21] <pleia2> I think we have all the feedback we're going to get, and these are actionable ideas
[18:21]  * belkinsa nods
[18:22] <pleia2> so I'm wondering how we want to organize this feedback so it is actually something people can work on
[18:22] <belkinsa> I think it's needed for the ease for surer.
[18:22] <belkinsa> sure*
[18:24] <pleia2> should also figure out how one would set up a harvest dev environment, so it can actually be worked on
[18:24] <belkinsa> +1
[18:24] <pleia2> maybe follow up with dholbach to see what he suggests
[18:24] <belkinsa> I think someone outside our team, but in my LoCo, wants to also help to develop it.
[18:24] <pleia2> great
[18:25] <pleia2> ok, I can follow up with dholbach about a dev environment and we'll go about organizing ideas into action items from there
[18:25] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to contact dholbach about harvest dev environment
[18:25] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to contact dholbach about harvest dev environment
[18:25] <pleia2> #action belkinsa to update LeadershipElectionProcess with new dates
[18:25] <meetingology> ACTION: belkinsa to update LeadershipElectionProcess with new dates
[18:26] <pleia2> #topic Discussion of the next vUDS (Next UDS: 11 - 13 March 2014)
[18:26] <belkinsa> Is is to early for this?
[18:26] <pleia2> so, we haven't historically done the mid-cycle UDS since our blueprints cover 6 months
[18:27] <pleia2> I have no objections if someone wants to run one, but I can't (work obligations)
[18:27] <belkinsa> I can find someone in the team to run it for you, pleia2.
[18:27] <pleia2> anyone is welcome to do so
[18:28]  * belkinsa nods
[18:28] <belkinsa> Didn't Dholbach run it for us last time?
[18:28] <pleia2> I ran it, he just controlled the hangout stuff (someone on jono's community team always does)
[18:28] <belkinsa> Ah, I see.
[18:29] <dolasilla> what would it be about, saying what we are doing + looking for new ideas?
[18:29] <pleia2> if we get it on the schedule we don't need to worry about that part, we need a session leader to run the show and have an agenda to keep things moving along
[18:29] <pleia2> we've already got our plate pretty full of projects, so I'm not sure what we'd talk about
[18:29] <belkinsa> Yeah.
[18:30] <pleia2> dolasilla: it's a time for brainstorming ideas for the next 3 months, so we sit together on a hangout and come up with ideas, etc
[18:30] <pleia2> just like old in person UDS, but virtual :)
[18:30] <dolasilla> pleia2, oki, right, now that I remember we actually already had a virtual one together
[18:30] <pleia2> yep!
[18:31] <pleia2> so I think we can leave this out there, if someone wants to create a blueprint and run one, just let me know and I'll help getting it submitted
[18:32] <pleia2> needs to be in by next friday
[18:32] <pleia2> (I'll be at a conference then, so earlier is better :))
[18:32] <pleia2> we'll definitely have one at the next UDS in May (not scheduled yet)
[18:33] <belkinsa> Would be it better to just do the one in May?
[18:33] <pleia2> belkinsa: that's what we usually do, just the ones at the beginning of the cycle and plan for 6 months out
[18:34] <belkinsa> Okay, if skipping is the solution, then I'm alright with that.
[18:34]  * pleia2 nods
[18:35] <pleia2> so if anyone really wants one for March and has an agenda, let me know and we'll get it scheduled, otherwise we'll just do the typical one in May
[18:35] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[18:35] <pleia2> anyone have anything else they wanted to bring up but wasn't on the agenda?
[18:35] <belkinsa> Nope.
[18:36] <dolasilla> nu
[18:38] <dolasilla> I need to leave. Let me know via email in case you have already some ideas to modify the quiz
[18:38] <dolasilla> cheers!
[18:38] <belkinsa> Cheers, dolasilla.
[18:39] <pleia2> alright, thanks everyone
[18:39] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[18:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 11 18:39:28 2014 UTC.
[18:39] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-women-project/2014/ubuntu-women-project.2014-02-11-18.03.moin.txt
[18:39] <belkinsa> Not a problem, thanks for the meeting.


[02:14] <sirriffsalot__> Hey guys... I'm trying to compile PLUG (program for controlling a mustang amp via a GUI)... But when I get to the point where the install readme tells me to do "qmake plug.pro" the file isn't there.. is there something wrong with the downloaded package or?
[02:43] <ScottL> sirriffsalot__, you might try the PLUG forum or irc (if there is one)
[03:07] <sirriffsalot__> ScottL: cheers:)
[05:13] <samsul> !ubuntu-desktop
[16:36] <spow> Hey. My brother has a M-Audio Keystation 61 es, and I'd like to play with it on my ubuntu. What software should I use ?
[18:48] <jumpysnake> ciao, ubuntustudio non riconosce la mia fast track pro. come fare? 12.04
[20:23] <ed_> Help, I downloaded and burned UbuntuStudio 12.04 (64-bit). It installed just fine on my Laptop (single core), but now when I try to install on my desktop (Phenom x3) it just hangs after selecting a boot option.
[20:27] <ed_> anyone here?
[20:31] <ailo> ed_: I haven't tried installing the LTS yet, but in the past you would be able to install Ubuntu Studio using the Ubuntu alternate installer, by making sure to install the UbuntuStudio desktop instead of the Ubuntu one
[20:33] <ed_> Good point, I'll try with the alternate image. Thanks.


[00:34] <Daekdroom> Is anyone else able to use Friends app for Twitter?
[00:34] <Daekdroom> Mine isn't loading tweets at all, despite having a twitter account enabled.
[01:59] <johnjohn101> hi, noticed that there is no tabs for the gnome terminal in 15.04
[02:02] <Daekdroom> johnjohn101, there is a setting for changing that. Let me check where.
[02:02] <johnjohn101> ok
[02:02] <Daekdroom> johnjohn101, Edit > Settings > 1st tab > drop down menu
[02:03] <johnjohn101> thanks!!
[02:03] <johnjohn101> i just sent instructions to work
[07:44] <elfy> k1l: switch to systemd is imminent bug 1427654
[08:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:22] <elfy> morning lordievader
[08:23] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you doing?
[08:23] <elfy> just chilling for a bit before the day
[08:23] <elfy> you?
[08:23] <lordievader> Doing good, having coffee/
[09:21] <bdb__> hello
[09:21] <bdb__> can i join
[09:23] <lordievader> o/
[09:24] <lordievader> bdb__: Can you join what?
[09:24] <bdb__> sorry sir its first time to use arssi
[09:24] <bdb__> how can i use this
[09:26] <bdb__> lordievader_ kindly help thanks...
[09:27] <k1l> !irc
[09:27] <bdb__> thanks -ubottu
[09:28] <lordievader> bdb__: http://irssi.org/beginner/
[09:29] <bdb__> thanks -lordievader
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Is there a bug somewhere in upstream that prevents Unity from loading correctly?
[17:55] <SonikkuAmerica> (7, not the 8 preview)
[18:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Or is 8 just not in the daily build yet?
[18:03] <TheNumb> SonikkuAmerica: what?
[18:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Am I sounding weird?
[18:04] <TheNumb> Unity loads fine here.
[18:04] <TheNumb> unity 7 that is
[18:04] <SonikkuAmerica> I grabbed the latest daily last night, and it's not joading.
[18:04] <SonikkuAmerica> * loading. (Excuse my Colemak.)
[18:15] <solsTiCe> hi. what's the diff between Ubuntu Desktop Next 15.04 and Ubuntu 15.04 ? which of the one will be the next ubuntu 15.04 ?
[18:20] <smallfoot-> When I get to LightDM, my USB keyboard and mouse are not powered up. After waiting 30 seconds, then they get powered up. Why?
[18:27] <trism> solsTiCe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop that's what the desktop next isos are
[18:46] <smallfoot-> When I get to LightDM, my USB keyboard and mouse are not powered up. After waiting 30 seconds, then they get powered up. Why?
[18:55] <solsTiCe> trism: ok
[19:22] <arsson> Hello! So here not seems to be src-sinc resample method in pulseaudio anymore?
[19:49] <smallfoot-> When I get to LightDM, my USB keyboard and mouse are not powered up. After waiting 30 seconds, then they get powered up. Why?
[21:13] <soee> guys someone can confirm this issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1428328 ?
[22:47] <smallfoot-> When I get to LightDM, my USB keyboard and mouse are not powered up. After waiting 30 seconds, then they get powered up. Why?
[23:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Uh, yeah... installing the daily onto a hard disk leaves Unity dysfunctional on login.
[23:22] <Daekdroom> SonikkuAmerica, have you used a previously existing /home ?
[23:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Daekdroom: Not a /home partition ... do I need to have it completely cleaned off for new config files to be installed?
[23:23] <SonikkuAmerica> I can do that and try again.


[09:27] <Mithrandir> ogra: not really useful -- "I built them by hand and they work".  They should tell a bit more about their installed stuff than just gcc version
[09:27] <seb128_> Mithrandir: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5870
[09:28] <ogra> Mithrandir: 8 is more interesting....
[09:28] <Mithrandir> ogra: that just means the build-deps are right -- evo build-deps against god know what libraries.
[09:29] <Mithrandir> ogra: (yes, I'm whining; I just need to know exact versions for it to help me)
[09:29] <ogra> Mithrandir: i know, i tried to build it here too ;) (didnt work btw)
[09:30] <Mithrandir> binary searching should work, it just takes time.
[09:30] <Mithrandir> evo's not the lightest app to build there is.
[09:30] <ogra> heh...surely not
[09:34] <elmo> seb128: dude, is there a bug about this gaim/metacity/whatever, "gaim doesn't pop up, like I asked, begged, bribed, etc. it to" bug?
[09:35] <mdz> also known as "why did the gnome-terminal I just opened appear behind the old one"
[09:36] <ogra> the new metacity pop-under feature
[09:41] <seb128_> elmo: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3159
[09:41] <seb128_> elmo: that's a global bug about focus issues with the new metacity, just list here your issues
[09:41] <lamont> firecall
[09:46] <Mithrandir> seb128_: hmm, the bug was filed jan 25th.  array-3, which works, was released jan 20th.
[09:46] <Mithrandir> seb128_: so the bug is probably in between there somewhere.
[09:48] <ogra> Mithrandir: i have version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2 locked and working fine here...
[09:49] <ogra> Mithrandir: anything later segfaults
[09:49] <elmo> ok, gaim's on there
[09:50] <netdur> hey, I see there OOo 1.9x... it is installable? I want to test it!
[09:51] <Mithrandir> ogra: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3 works here.
[09:51] <ogra> Mithrandir: weird
[09:54] <Mithrandir> ogra: going from evo libcamel1.2-1_1.1.3-0ubuntu10, evolution-data-server_1.1.3-0ubuntu8 and evolution_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3 to libcamel1.2-2_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1, evolution-data-server_<IP_ADDRESS> and evolution_2.1.4-0ubuntu1 breaks.
[09:54] <Mithrandir> s/evo//
[09:55] <Mithrandir> *sigh*; new upstream versions. :(
[09:55] <Mithrandir> I need to diff those, go through the changesets and see what might have broken
[09:56] <mantiena> mdz, according pretty old TCO99 standard minimal mandatory vertical refresh is 85 Hz, recommended is 100 Hz, look at http://www.tcodevelopment.com/pls/nvp/Upload.Show?CID=776&MID=141
[09:56] <ogra> Mithrandir: hmm, dont they test build on amd64 at ximian
[09:56] <seb128_> Mithrandir: the issues has started with ximian connector before evolution IIRC
[09:56] <Mithrandir> ogra: it might be something else, somewhere which triggers the problem.
[09:56] <mantiena> mdz, so, I'm correct :-P
[09:56] <Mithrandir> seb128_: I'm not sure the connector problems are related.
[09:56] <seb128_> k
[09:57] <Mithrandir> seb128_: I'm not saying they aren't, I'm saying I'm not sure, mind. :)
[09:57] <seb128_> yeah
[09:57] <mdz> mantiena: at 75Hz I have no flicker and no eye strain, so I'll be the judge of my own comfort, thanks
[09:58] <Mithrandir> evo 2.1.4 seems to be the first which used libdb4.2 in the build-deps; I'll make sure the libdb I have on the system is ok; amd64-wise
[10:01] <mantiena> mdz, hehe, try to work at 100 Hz for about 1-2 months, then try 75Hz and you notice the difference ;)
[10:02] <Mithrandir> mantiena: it really depends on the monitor -- a lot of older monitors are fine at 75Hz since their phosphor is slower.
[10:04] <mantiena> Mithrandir, i have old monitor, but 75 Hz is very very bad for me
[10:05] <mantiena> but if I work some time on 75Hz my eyes don't notice difference between 75Hz and 85 or 100Hz
[10:07] <Mithrandir> seb128_: bah, I'm too tired to hack on this now; I'll look at it tomorrow, but now we know between what versions stuff broke.
[10:07] <Mithrandir> ogra: I'm also a bit concerned about "works by accident"
[10:07] <seb128_> k
[10:08] <Mithrandir> seb128_: is the upstream delta between the versions I wrote above large?
[10:12] <seb128_> dunno
[10:13] <seb128_> there is something like 15 days before releases, so probably not huge
[10:13] <seb128_> s/before/between/
[10:15] <zul> later..
[10:52] <restrex> hi guyz .. what option on freetype at hoary is enabled at this shot? http://restrex.dotgeek.org/ I ask it 'cause the fonts look cool !
[10:54] <marcin_ant> restrex: you need to improve your statistics right?
[10:55] <website> marcin_ant, i think hte same
[10:55] <restrex> marcin_ant gos is looking this..
[10:55] <restrex> God
[10:57] <marcin_ant> restrex: ?
[10:57] <restrex> yes
[10:58] <restrex> I've been 3 days asking the same
[10:58] <restrex> :(
[10:58] <marcin_ant> restrex: what do you want?
[10:58] <restrex> I don't know what it's called the option of freetype that's enabled now on hoary
[10:59] <restrex>  I don't know How is called the option of freetype that's enabled now on hoary
[10:59] <restrex>  http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png  http://www.freepgs.com/juan-pablo/ubuntu.png
[10:59] <restrex> here is the difference
[10:59] <restrex> it the first shot it's enabled
[10:59] <restrex> on second it's disabed..
[10:59] <restrex> the first is hoary the second warty
[11:00] <marcin_ant> restrex: ok now we can see
[11:00] <restrex> :D :P
[11:01] <marcin_ant> restrex: url in your first question was wrong...
[11:01] <restrex> ohhh sorry ys :(
[11:01] <marcin_ant> restrex: I think that the difference is from antialiasing
[11:01] <restrex> yes :/
[11:01] <restrex> ok
[11:01] <restrex> :/
[11:01] <marcin_ant> Desktop -> Preferences -> Fonts
[11:02] <marcin_ant> Font rendering
[11:02] <restrex> mmmm I'm gonna see it now.... but I tried it before and nothing happened
[11:02] <restrex> I want to aply the 'antialiasing' on warty...
[11:03] <restrex> apply* (sorry my english please) :)
[11:03] <marcin_ant> restrex: you can take a look at "details" section in this "Fonts" preferences dialog
[11:03] <restrex> ok
[11:03] <sabdfl> guys, netapplet is crackful
[11:03] <marcin_ant> restrex: you need to click "details" button
[11:04] <restrex> ok ;)
[11:04] <restrex> I power on the computer .. :P
[11:04] <marcin_ant> restrex: anyway for me unfortunately all these "default" fonts aren't good
[11:04] <marcin_ant> restrex: and I use tahoma
[11:05] <marcin_ant> restrex: maybe you should try some "propietary" fonts too ;)
[11:05] <restrex> oh ok thanks for help me ;)
[11:05] <restrex> jeje
[11:05] <marcin_ant> restrex: np
[11:06] <restrex> I friend said me
[11:06] <restrex> apt-get source freetype and read the code...
[11:06] <restrex> :/
[11:28] <bluefoxicy> OK
[11:28] <bluefoxicy> so firestarter is pretty
[11:28] <bluefoxicy> but it breaks things
[11:29] <bluefoxicy> I now can't get my dcc to work, as the ip_nat_irc and ip_conntrack_irc modules are loaded, yet the firewall disallows any DCC
[11:29] <bluefoxicy> iptables -F doesn't really flush the firewall either, it simply breaks it completely, leaving about 5 custom chains empty too (instead of flushing them out wtf)
[11:31] <sivang> bluefoxicy: firefox really annoyed me when I used it..about a year ago..
[11:34] <mdz> sivang: firefox != firestarter
[11:37] <bluefoxicy> sivang:  firewalling
[11:37] <mdz> we looked at firestarter for Ubuntu, and came to the same conclusions. that's why it's in universe
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> it's nice, easy to use, but damn
[11:38] <sivang> bluefoxicy: ops sorry
[11:38] <sivang> I meant firestarter
[11:38] <sivang> mdz: ;)
[11:38] <bluefoxicy> mdz:  but at the same time, some users are going to want to use their machine as a router, hence why Windows comes with point and click "internet connection sharing"
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> you can make the iptables rule yourself now, but then you have to write a script to load the rule on boot, yourself.
[11:39] <sivang> bluefoxicy: which usually never works (from people I have helped with that) and is really fragile
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> that's fine for me
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> but I don't know very many people (even linux users) who can actually use iptables
[11:39] <bluefoxicy> much less write an init script to set up iptables for them
[11:41] <sivang> bluefoxicy: I am thinking of adding a briding capability to network-admin (this yet pending discussion with upstrea) which if we got it right, would allow us to use ubuntu system as nice net sharing devices, as I am using my system here manually (it's a bridg for 2 other machines)
[11:42] <bluefoxicy> heh
[11:42] <sivang> bluefoxicy: for internet sharing purposes, briding is so cool if have a nice set dhcp server , although this may not be the use case for most of the users...
[11:42] <sivang> bluefoxicy: s/dhcp server/router and firwall/
[11:44] <sivang> s/briding/bridging/
[11:44] <sivang> bluefoxicy: briding capabilty to g-s-t might get me in the wrong places :))
[11:48] <bluefoxicy> there
[11:49] <bluefoxicy> I've griped at ubuntu-devel and the author
[12:00] <restrex> marcin_ant
[12:00] <restrex> I have to enable that <match target="font">
[12:00] <restrex>    <edit name="autohint" mode="assign">
[12:00] <restrex>      <bool>true</bool>
[12:00] <restrex>    </edit>
[12:00] <restrex>  </match>

[12:00] <restrex> :D
[12:00] <restrex> that worked ;)


[09:36] <noseasasi> buenos dias
[09:36] <jsgotangco> salut
[09:36] <noseasasi> pregunta sobre el ubuntu
[09:37] <noseasasi> salut
[09:37] <jsgotangco> no habla espanol
[09:37] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:38] <noseasasi> ok
[09:38] <noseasasi> i am very bad enghish but i do
[09:38] <jsgotangco> lets try then :D
[09:39] <noseasasi> my xmms and beep player no play nothing
[09:39] <jsgotangco> hoary or warty?
[09:39] <noseasasi> i try others but is the same
[09:39] <noseasasi> warty
[09:39] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[09:40] <jsgotangco> tried alsamixer?
[09:40] <noseasasi> in the foros there are others whit the same trouble
[09:40] <noseasasi> no i dont try
[09:40] <noseasasi> one moment...
[09:43] <noseasasi> one moment
[09:44] <noseasasi> no play.
[09:44] <noseasasi> the xmms is block
[09:45] <jsgotangco> i really dont know whats wrong at the moment
[09:45] <carlos> noseasasi: I think it's better if you ask at #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es
[09:45] <noseasasi> thanks i try others thinks
[09:45] <noseasasi> bye
[09:46] <carlos> noseasasi: but I think the problem is with esd sound daemon
[09:46] <noseasasi> gracias carlos ahura mismo
[09:46] <jsgotangco> carlos: he's in warty
[09:47] <carlos> noseasasi: you need to select the esd plugin output in xmms
[09:47] <noseasasi> thaks
[09:47] <carlos> noseasasi: de nada ;-)
[03:08] <Burgundavia> any body here?
[03:08] <Kinnison> Nup, we're all asleep
[03:08] <Burgundavia> any malone people here?
[03:08] <Kinnison> You want bradb and he's not here right now
[03:09] <Kinnison> or bjornt
[03:10] <Burgundavia> hmm
[03:19] <Burgundavia> hey bradb, just the man I was looking for
[03:19] <bradb> Burgundavia: hi
[03:20] <Burgundavia> I have some ideas/thoughts regarding malone
[03:20] <Burgundavia> is now a good time to hear them?
[03:21] <bradb> Burgundavia: sure
[03:22] <Burgundavia> alright then
[03:22] <Burgundavia> User Prefs
[03:22] <Burgundavia> -Email Prefs
[03:22] <Burgundavia> --Merge the validate with upper section, as I would expect all my emails to be listed, with a check box column listing them as validated.
[03:38] <bradb> Burgundavia: sorry dude. was reading email and came back to the IRC window to see that our internet connection had flaked at the router. :/
[03:38] <Burgundavia> np
[03:38] <Burgundavia> User Prefs
[03:38] <Burgundavia> -Email Prefs
[03:38] <Burgundavia> --Merge the validate with upper section, as I would expect all my emails to be listed, with a check box column listing them as validated.
[03:46] <bradb> Burgundavia: ok, so are you familiar with FOAF?
[03:46] <bradb> Burgundavia: FOAF, i.e. Friend of a Friend, i.e. the part of Launchpad you see under /people.
[03:47] <Burgundavia> a little
[03:47] <bradb> Burgundavia: If you're suggesting a Malone improvement, it's probably something that you're seeing under /malone.
[03:47] <Burgundavia> I remember hearing a little at mataro
[03:47] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:47] <Burgundavia> then I do have stuff for that to
[03:47] <bradb> Burgundavia: If you're suggesting an improvement about how to better interact with your personal prefs, accounts, etc. that's a FOAF thing.
[03:47] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:47] <bradb> our FOAF guy is salgado, who doesn't appear to be around atm.
[03:48] <Burgundavia> I will note that
[03:48] <Burgundavia> for malone
[03:48] <bradb> Burgundavia: ok, so for the Malone-specific stuff, I'd be interested to hear about how you think it can be improved.
[03:48] <Burgundavia> main malone screen
[03:48] <Burgundavia> -text jammed together when view of ff 1.0.1
[03:48] <Burgundavia> -seperation between product and package?
[03:48] <Burgundavia> -you have lots of screen realestate, use it
[03:48] <Burgundavia> respond to 1 & 2 and then I will discuss 3
[03:49] <bradb> can you give me a URL for #1? i'm not sure what you're referring to, exactly.
[03:49] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[03:49] <Burgundavia> should I show you a screenshot
[03:50] <Burgundavia> yes I am running Ubuntu Hoary
[03:51] <bradb> oh, yes, I'm aware of that main screen ugliness. it was very recently introduced. ;) we've got some hardcore UI hacking happening in .ch at the moment though, so expect that to improve in the next week or two, i would guess.
[03:52] <bradb> for #2, what's your question, exactly?
[03:52] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:52] <Burgundavia> not really clear in my mind what exactly a product is
[03:53] <bradb> Burgundavia: a product is the source code as it exists outside of any given distribution.
[03:53] <Burgundavia> ah
[03:53] <Burgundavia> there is no mention of source code in there
[03:54] <Burgundavia> I guess that finishes the main screen
[03:54] <bradb> Burgundavia: e.g. Mozilla Firefox.
[03:54] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:54] <bradb> Burgundavia: It's the "upstream" to the source package in a distribution.
[03:54] <Burgundavia> I see now
[03:54] <bradb> it's the place where most of the bugs actually get /fixed/ :)
[03:54] <Burgundavia> hmm
[03:54] <Burgundavia> I wonder how that could be made clearer?
[03:55] <Burgundavia> I guess the other issue is
[03:55] <bradb> Burgundavia: the word "product" is sort of confusing, especially because we sometimes use "upstream" and sometimes use "product", and it's still not entirely clear which one is the best term.
[03:55] <Burgundavia> are you planning on have seperate "main" pages
[03:56] <Burgundavia> product is nice because upstream doesn't have much traction outside the dev community
[03:56] <Burgundavia> however, the confusion in the same community over product vs package is also bad
[03:56] <Burgundavia> same == not devs
[03:58] <bradb> ok, so first, separate "main" pages...for...?
[03:58] <bradb> every "context" has its bug tracker.
[03:58] <Burgundavia> for seperate use cases
[03:58] <Burgundavia> developer, end user, etc.
[03:59] <bradb> oh, not sure yet. i think it's expected that the UI will grow into something that looks a bit different depending on how you interact with the system though (so, you'd have different options to select if you're a sourcepackage maintainer v.s. an end-user v.s. a distro release manager, etc.)
[04:00] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:01] <Burgundavia> as the current does everything, doesn't really work
[04:01] <Burgundavia> but if there is ui love happening, sounds good
[04:01] <Burgundavia> onwards then
[04:01] <Burgundavia> is there work happening on the bug screen ui?
[04:03] <bradb> Burgundavia: always. :)
[04:03] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:04] <Burgundavia> my thoughts
[04:04] <Burgundavia> type ahead for distro, ala the current bugzilla
[04:04] <bradb> Burgundavia: where?
[04:04] <Burgundavia> possibly with the current stable as the top one
[04:04] <Burgundavia> sorry, enter new bugs screen
[04:05] <Burgundavia> which would elminate the ugly popup
[04:05] <bradb> Burgundavia: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/distros/ubuntu would be the page on which you'd file distro bugs (i.e. /malone/distros/<distroname>)
[04:05] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:06] <Burgundavia> is the other bug screen going away entirely then?
[04:06] <bradb> but yes, we're aware of the less-than-ideal issue of using a popup to select one item from a list of dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of options. we brought in a guy from the Mozilla project to help address that (for more than just selecting distros)
[04:06] <Burgundavia> you probably can get away with that
[04:06] <bradb> yeah, the filing a bug screen that makes you type the distro will probably disappear shortly
[04:06] <Burgundavia> link to already reported bugs on that page currently goes to main screen
[04:06] <Burgundavia> on Ubuntu page too
[04:07] <Burgundavia> blue sky about that: type ahead for summary, ala firefox with box beneath showing possibly related bugs
[04:08] <bradb> Burgundavia: Interesting. We've spec'd a UI for showing you possibly related bugs, but not using Google Suggest style widgets (yet.)
[04:09] <Burgundavia> dhtml+js is very very cool
[04:12] <Burgundavia> my todo list is broken if you have nothing assigned to you
[04:13] <Burgundavia> just shows all bugs
[04:15] <bradb> urgh, yeah, the searching and those quick search links has broken in some of the bug filing screens. I'll sort that out in due course (i think there's already a bug filed for one of those problems, but if you can't find a bug filed for something that you find broken in Malone, bug reports are the best way to ensure that I don't forget to fix something. :)
[04:15] <bradb> s/bug filing screens/bug listing screens/
[04:15] <Burgundavia> another crazy idea
[04:15] <Burgundavia> sub todo lists for bugs
[04:15] <Burgundavia> some bugs have several things that need to be done
[04:15] <Burgundavia> so create a subtodo list
[04:15] <Burgundavia> thus if the bug was go to work
[04:16] <Burgundavia> subtodo list 1 would be: get out of bed
[04:16] <Burgundavia> etc.
[04:17] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: what do you think of my idee?
[04:18] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:18] <Kinnison> why not just file bugs for the subtasks and make the primary bug depend on them -- or else have a proper todo/task manager which can relate several tasks to the same bug
[04:18] <Burgundavia> hey that works too
[04:18] <Burgundavia> but what if people file (foo is broken)
[04:19] <Burgundavia> when it requires bar, baz, and bat to be fixed?
[04:19] <Burgundavia> and each is a lengthy task?
[04:21] <bradb> Burgundavia: we're planning on building a todo app, which is the thing that will manage bug dependencies, i believe.
[04:21] <Burgundavia> bradb: hey, cool
[04:21] <Burgundavia> that about exhausts my imm. thoughts
[04:21] <Burgundavia> I am certain I will have more less than wonderful ideas soon
[04:22] <bradb> Burgundavia: the good news is, we're on it. pretty much everything you've said we've already either spec'd out (but not yet scheduled for implementation) or can at least see on the horizon, and have already done some thinking about.
[04:22] <Burgundavia> great
[04:22] <Burgundavia> isn't being behind the ball great?
[04:23] <bradb> :)
[04:24] <daf> Burgundavia, the .desktop file fascist :)
[04:24] <Burgundavia> daf: noticed that did you?
[04:24] <Burgundavia> daf: That is my todo list
[04:24] <daf> :)
[04:25] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: we get told for every new malone bug
[04:25] <Burgundavia> I have now filed exactly one half the bugs in ubuntu
[04:25] <Burgundavia> Kinnison: by what means? ircbot?
[04:25] <daf> going to need to give dilys full multi-channel support soon
[04:26] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: yeah
[04:26] <Kinnison> daf: yeppers
[04:26] <Burgundavia> in #canonical
[04:26] <Burgundavia> ?
[04:26] <Kinnison> naah, in a launchpad channel
[04:26] <daf> the sekrit one
[04:26] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:26] <Kinnison> s00pah s3kr1t
[04:27] <Burgundavia> now if only I can get rights to assign them
[04:27] <Kinnison> hey salgado
[04:27] <Burgundavia> salgado: you do FOAF stuff right?
[04:28] <salgado> Burgundavia, yeah, I do
[04:28] <Burgundavia> I had a though regarding the email pref stuff
[04:29] <Burgundavia> merge the validation stuff into the main section listing emails
[04:29] <Burgundavia> and make certain that all emails on record are listed
[04:32] <salgado> Burgundavia, I don't understand exactly what you want to do.
[04:32] <salgado> would you mind mailing it to me?
[04:32] <Burgundavia> sure
[04:32] <salgado> I'm in the middle of moving all office stuff to a new building
[04:32] <Burgundavia> I will email you an edited screenshot as well
[04:32] <salgado> have *lots* of stuff to fix here and will not be available on irc
[04:32] <salgado> Burgundavia, that would be really good. thank you
[04:33] <Burgundavia> np
[04:37] <dreamcatcher> in case nobody noticed, roseta seems unusable right now *wink*
[04:38] <daf> we know, we have a fix, and we're hoping it will be deployed tomorrow
[04:39] <dreamcatcher> kewl, tks
[05:16] <Burgundavia> I am in the launchpad database twice
[05:16] <Kinnison> Me too
[05:16] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:16] <Kinnison> When the people merging stuff is done we can fix it
[05:17] <Burgundavia> in addition, when I try and edit the task status of a bug, I get a system error
[05:17] <Burgundavia> bradb: ping
[05:20] <bradb> Burgundavia: hi
[05:21] <Burgundavia> bradb: attempting to update the severity of the bugs produces a system error
[05:21] <bradb> Burgundavia: ok, can you report a bug for that please? i'll forget otherwise.
[05:21] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:22] <Burgundavia> and another thought about ui's
[05:22] <bradb> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/products/malone
[05:22] <Burgundavia> clicking to get the task is, IMHO, not very discoverable
[05:23] <bradb> Burgundavia: yeah, we're trying to think of a better way to handle that row clicking, how to go directly to the task vs. the main bug page, if those might even become one page, etc.
[05:24] <Burgundavia> bradb: it took me about 5 minutes to clicking to figure that one out
[05:24] <Burgundavia> because clicking else where in the same row takes you some where completely different
[05:25] <Burgundavia> the highlighting shoudl only be for the package when you go there, and the task when you go there
[05:25] <bradb> oh, you mean on the bug main page you're clicking
[05:25] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:25] <bradb> (URLs help keep this stuff clear)
[05:25] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:26] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/259
[05:26] <Burgundavia> the buttons at the top (bugs, translations, bounties) - those are launchpad bugs?
[05:28] <bradb> Burgundavia: that's some UI design reworking. i think that when those links work correctly, they'll take you to the respective views of whatever thing you're looking at (the translations in Ubuntu, the bugs in Ubuntu, the bounties in Ubuntu, etc.)
[05:29] <Burgundavia> bradb: yah, cause they are borked right now
[05:30] <Burgundavia> bradb: what does status accepted mean?
[05:43] <bradb> Burgundavia: the opposite of rejected.
[05:43] <Burgundavia> bradb: where should new bugs stay at accepted or new?
[05:43] <Burgundavia> does accepted mean they are a bug?
[05:43] <bradb> new bugs are New.
[05:44] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:44] <Burgundavia> and once they are verified to be a bug, then they are accepted?
[05:45] <bradb> yeah. to be honest, we don't have enough statuses yet (IMHO) to accurately describe the state of a bug task, so it's a bit ambiguous, atm.
[05:45] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:45] <Burgundavia> I remember the discussions at Mataro about that
[05:45] <bradb> e.g. "rejected" can mean, wontfix (for which we have a priority instead), notabug, maybe worksforme, etc.
[05:46] <Burgundavia> I am now about to make a dumb statement
[05:46] <Burgundavia> why do you have priority and severity?
[05:46] <Burgundavia> is low severity item not high priority?
[05:47] <bradb> priority describes how important it is to fix this bug
[05:47] <bradb> severity describes how big of an impact the bug has on the users affected by it
[05:48] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:48] <Burgundavia> I guess so
[05:49] <Burgundavia> like I said, I was about to say something stupid
[05:49] <bradb> Burgundavia: think about it. they is a different set of criteria to decide how important it is to fix a bug, vs. describing the impact that a bug has on the users affected by it.
[05:50] <Burgundavia> ya