[00:04] <DropsOfSerenity> why does under system settings -> Details -> graphics, it shows the correct driver: Geforce GTX 260, but says the Experience: Standard, is that normal?
[00:34] <harold> hey, if I get 11.10, when 12.04 comes is upgrading a simple matter of doing "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"?
[00:36] <DropsOfSerenity> harold, better to, updater-manager -d
[00:36] <DropsOfSerenity> sorry update-manager -d
[00:36] <harold> hmm, what is that?
[00:36] <harold> I mean, it that a part of apt?
[00:37] <DropsOfSerenity> harold, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:39] <delac> Classic seems to work quite well. Nice! Now I can finally upgrade from Maveric. Althoug, the Applications and Places texts seem to be tad bit too much on the gray side. Easiest way to make them darker?
[00:40] <Daekdroom> delac, it's a bug in the theme.
[00:41] <Daekdroom> I've seen a developer discuss it in another channel. i.e. it's being worked on.
[00:41] <delac> nice, so it's propably fixed by the time Pangolin comes out.
[00:41] <Daekdroom> Hopefully will be fixed by the time Pangolin is released.
[00:41] <Daekdroom> Yeah.
[00:42] <delac> so, I don't even have to fix that. This seems to be the best release for a long time.
[00:44] <jbicha> delac: you can use GNOME Classic (Without Effects) to get the theming to look better
[00:45] <delac> jbicha: even better? It looks pretty good already. And I do need the effects.
[00:46] <jbicha> delac: ah, then don't worry about it
[01:19] <jokerdino> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11842333#post11842333 anyone has similar problems?
[01:23] <Will123456> hey guys. what happens if you repeatedly maximise and minimise the dash in unity 5.10? i'm seeing the blurred image behind the dash visibly jump up and down
[01:26] <countfuzzball> How much 'server stuff' does the ubuntu server iso include? Or would I be better off getting the ubuntu-alternate iso for a minimal install?
[01:32] <spaceneedle> MyUnity has ceased to work--you can't change the color of the dash or launcher  to a different color---after updating to the latest unity.
[01:38] <atpa8a> hmm
[01:39] <atpa8a> is there a ubuntu git like git.debian.org?..
[01:43] <atpa8a> or other scm?..
[01:45] <arand_> atpa8a: ubuntu uses bzr for pretty much everything...
[01:45] <keithclark> Well I'm pretty sure that my last 3D bug is NVidia related as every system I try without NVidia powers up just fine in 3D
[01:46] <arand_> atpa8a: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[01:47] <keithclark> Anyone with an NVidia card have no problems after a latest update?
[01:47] <Will123456> keithclark: what kind of problems?
[01:48] <keithclark> Will123456, slow rendering/no response from keyboard/mouse.
[01:49] <keithclark> Will123456, system unusable without resorting to 2D mode
[01:51] <Will123456> keithclark: i've got nothing like that on my 260 gtx
[01:51] <Will123456> or whatever it's called
[01:53] <keithclark> Will123456, when did you update last?
[01:57] <Will123456> keithclark: i'm running 5.10 and all the latest updates
[01:58] <Will123456> the only thing i don't have is some big java updates
[01:58] <keithclark> Did I read that right?  5.10?
[02:01] <keithclark> Ok, I get the joke.  Dated hardware....
[02:03] <spacebug-> I thought Will123456 was talking about unity 5.10
[02:03] <keithclark> Ok, I understand...make fun of me.  I got it.
[02:08] <keithclark> I guess I can always try Mint.  See how they help me out.
[02:12] <Will123456> keithclark: sorry - i meant unity 5.10
[02:12] <Will123456> as in the latest 12.04
[02:13] <Will123456> i completely didn't realise that might not mean anything to you
[02:13] <Will123456> i'm sorry!
[02:13] <Will123456> i've been getting into reporting bugs on the latest incremental builds of unity that I'd completely lost all perspective. I was a mad man, if only for a moment. and certainly not making fun of you :)
[02:16] <keithclark> Carry on as you see fit.  I will keep researching my issue.
[02:17] <Will123456> keithclark: what card are you using? there's always a chance your system might be trying to use nouveau and for whatever reason it's not performing that well
[02:17] <Will123456> that's just a guess
[02:17] <keithclark> Thanks, I'll try that idea out tomorrow.
[02:20] <atpa8a> arand_: thanks! i think that's what i was looking for
[02:22] <atpa8a> in Sid means.. still in development?..
[02:22] <Daekdroom> Sid is the eternal Debian unstable version, so yeah.
[02:23] <Daekdroom> Although not necessarily everything there is an alpha/beta version.
[02:23] <atpa8a> so something that i found in launchpad that's "in Sid" would not have ubuntu patches, or would it?
[02:24] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure. What's the context?
[02:25] <atpa8a> was looking for a source [ubuntu] deb for libvirt
[02:26] <atpa8a> found 0.9.11 in debian
[02:26] <atpa8a> launchpad bazaar seems to have the same but it marks it "in Sid"
[02:26] <atpa8a> https://launchpad.net/debian/sid/+source/libvirt
[02:28] <Daekdroom> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/0.9.8-2ubuntu16
[02:28] <atpa8a> yeah
[02:28] <Daekdroom> The one in Sid is more recent.
[02:29] <atpa8a> the 0.9.8 is in precise
[02:29] <atpa8a> was looking for something over 0.9.10
[02:29] <Daekdroom> But yeah, it does not have Ubuntu patches.
[02:30] <atpa8a> it has one feature i would like to test
[02:30] <atpa8a> really? Stanley Cup been to space???
[02:49] <bouma> i just tried installing the beta2 with btrfs, on an entire drive with one / partition. it wouldnt boot. i reverted to an old ub1108 and fscked and mounted it. the sda1 contains an @/with the expected root and an @home
[02:49] <bouma> is this a bug?
[02:54] <bouma> hrm something else occured
[02:54] <Will123456> bouma: no idea... if you don't find a good answer here, you could try #btrfs
[02:56] <bouma> i was impatient when i specified not to download packages as part of the install (i picked the bottom flag, thinking it wouldnt dl anything). when it started taking mins to download I turned off my wifi and waited for it to timeout, perhaps when the install proceeded it 'forgot' to rearrange the root of dest partition
[02:57] <Will123456> bouma: that could be it.
[02:57] <Will123456> bouma: i've been reading the btrfs mailing lists, and they consider anything other than the very, very latest kernel to be completely out of date and useless for a stable and functioning btrfs
[02:58] <Will123456> for them, 3.2 is the stone age
[02:58] <Will123456> so i will warn you that they might just recommend not using btrfs with the 3.2 kernel, which is default in 12.04
[03:08] <gnu-dio> Has anyone here tried Sandy Bridge (Core I3-I7) graphics for compiz? Is it good enough for compiz? Or if I really want compiz will I need an
[03:08] <gnu-dio> a discrete card?
[03:09] <Daekdroom> As long as there proper 3D support for it, it's way more than enough.
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> any embedded video card within the past 5 years should run compiz fine
[03:10] <gnu-dio> OK, thanks... am about to buy a dedicated Ubuntu notebook ;)
[03:10] <Daekdroom> JontheEchidna, as long as there is a 3D driver for it :P
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> yes :P
[03:17] <bouma> Daekdroom: you probably dont need cuda for the desktop (yet!)... hrm how can we use bessel functions ... instead of a cube a project desktops on a pulsating sphere!
[03:17] <Daekdroom> What?
[03:18] <bouma> we dont need gpgpu for the desktop yet
[03:30] <gnu-dio> Will123456: Looking at lots of things, but my key concerns are small, long battery life, runs compiz and video well, lighter 3d gaming (don't need 60fps nexuiz... ;))
[03:31] <gnu-dio> oh, and I'm trying to pick one under 500 ;)
[03:58] <Will123456> gnu-dio: hey, those all sound like things i want too :)
[04:40] <bouma> hello, ive installed beta2 about 5 times now and everytime it ends with error migrating data.  then directing me to /var/log/syslog
[04:40] <cccangel> hey guys I have a laptop and when I opened it for resuming from "sleep" the cursor rendered to a black screen and I could move it around but I had a hard time figuring out how to get logged in.
[04:41] <cccangel> The laptop uses Intel HD (might be something to do with open source intel drivers as well maybe?)
[04:41] <cccangel> ended up doing a laptop restart.
[04:42] <cccangel> so my questions is: can someone remind me what that program is I can do to restart the gdm?
[04:55] <marioland> cccangel, isnt it "sudo service lightdm start"
[04:56] <marioland> you can use stop also if you need
[05:00] <Will123456> cccangel: hitting ctrl + alt + backspace should kick you back into lightdm, though that might not be what you need
[05:44] <skywatcher78> anybody there who can help on precise 12.04 with mysql and collation sets
[05:44] <skywatcher78> i cant get the default collation to utf8_general_ci
[05:45] <skywatcher78> its alway utf8_swedish_ci
[06:02] <skywatcher78> what do i have to do to get help?
[06:14] <skywatcher78> when issuing the command in mysql shell "show collation like 'latin1%';" it shows that utf8_swedish_ci is the default collation but the default charset is set in my.cnf to utf8_general_ci
[06:57] <Strav> He. Anyone with up-to-date packages having problem with their custom panel color?
[06:58] <Strav> sorry, I mean: launcher color
[06:59] <chocimir> is it true that abdobe flash played does not support linux anymore?
[06:59] <Strav> I think so.
[07:00] <Strav> As long as you use google chrome, you can benefit from them maintaining their flash plugin.
[07:00] <les> Only will be distributed through chrome
[07:00] <les> good riddance as far as i'm concerned
[07:01] <Strav> agreed.
[07:01] <chocimir> Strav: f*ck I think firefox is much more better. So are you using old versions of afp?
[07:01] <Strav> Btw about my issue, here's a short description. Whatever setting I set using either ccsm or ubuntu-tweak, my custom color gets overriden by the averaged color Unity samples from my current background. I tried: unity --reset, changing backgrounds, restarting X, reinstalling unity, etc.
[07:02] <Strav> chocimir: I don't much care for your taste in clothes and such.
[07:05] <chocimir> Strav: that's ok. So r u using ff? if so, which version of adobe flash player do you have?
[07:08] <Strav> I'm using both chrome and firefox, but chrome is my main browser. If you want an up-to-date flash plugin, I'm not sure but perhaps you can make firefox use chrome's flash plugin that ships with it.
[07:09] <Strav> Anyways, aside from security issues, why would you need a cutting edge flash plugin?
[07:11] <rymate1234> hmmm
[07:11] <chocimir> Strav: I think I dont need, I need something that works.
[07:11] <rymate1234> is beta 2 stabe yet?
[07:11] <rymate1234> or should I use 11.10 and wait a few days
[07:12] <Strav> rymate1234: depends one what are your needs. You run a mission critical server that needs constant uptime ;)?
[07:12] <rymate1234> Nah
[07:12] <rymate1234> I have a vps
[07:12] <rymate1234> That runs 11.04
[07:12] <les> If it's a server you might want to wait
[07:12] <Strav> Oh then you really should ask for the sever edition.
[07:12] <les> but it's stable if you don't care
[07:13] <rymate1234> Strav, I believe its server edition
[07:13] <rymate1234> There is 10.04
[07:13] <rymate1234> But I chose the os back when i though "newer is better, right?"
[07:14] <rymate1234> oh
[07:14] <rymate1234> question about 12.04 beta
[07:14] <rymate1234> when the fulll release comes out, can I do a straightforward upgrade?
[07:15] <Strav> If it would be my server, I would do a full backup before that's for sure.
[07:15] <rymate1234> Its for a desktop -_-
[07:15] <MechanisM> hello I can't solve problem for a weeks. while installing new kernels configs being generated forever..
[07:16] <les> rymate1234: you'll be able to update to the release no problem
[07:16] <MechanisM> http://paste.ubuntu.com/929067/
[07:17] <Strav> rymate1234: ah. Then well, yes as les said, there should be no major problem (I did a desktop upgrade just yesterday, update-manager crashed but sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f did the trick.
[07:17] <rymate1234> ah ok
[07:17] <rymate1234> thx
[07:18] <Strav> Bwt, I always had better upgrade experiences when doing it from a virtual terminal.
[07:18]  * rymate1234 downloads a ubuntu daily build
[07:18] <rymate1234> LATEST UPDATES FTW
[07:19] <rymate1234> I hope unetbootin downloads a 12.04 daily build
[07:19] <Strav> can't you just make it use the iso?
[07:21] <MechanisM> how can I solve my issue? http://paste.ubuntu.com/929067/
[07:22] <Strav> MechanisM: you said it loops ad infinitum on this?
[07:23] <MechanisM> Strav nope I said it's freezes on it
[07:23] <MechanisM> here more http://paste.ubuntu.com/929071/
[07:24] <Strav> I wonder if trying sudo update-initramfs -c -k all will do any good..
[07:25] <MechanisM> ok, I'll try thanxx
[07:26] <MechanisM> Strav can you gimme more accurate command? http://paste.ubuntu.com/929073/
[07:26] <Strav> Anyone else stuck with vivid pastel colors on their launcher?
[07:26] <Strav> sudo update-initramfs -c -k all
[07:29] <MechanisM> ohh well this command is successfull but after this when I'm upgrading it's freezed on same place.
[07:30] <Strav> MechanisM: do you have synaptic installed?
[07:31] <MechanisM> yes in synaptic the same
[07:31] <MechanisM> http://paste.ubuntu.com/929079/
[07:31] <Strav> (I'm wondering if you have broken packages)
[07:31] <MechanisM> nope
[07:33] <Strav> MechanisM: what does apt-get install -f gives you?
[07:33] <MechanisM> BEFORE INSTALLING NEW KERNEL EVERYTHING WAS FINE
[07:33] <MechanisM> hold on
[07:35] <MechanisM> Strav freezed on same place
[07:38] <Strav> perhaps try to remove the packages you're trying to install and install them anew. I'm sorry but I gotta go finish some work. Cya.
[07:48] <somethinginteres> hi all, looking for some help with a sudden error. Computer boots fine logs in but then takes forever to draw the icons and top bar. Mouse can move but no interaction can happen w/ desktop without massive delay and ends up not being usable at all. I have logged into an old kernel version and despite it not be able to configure my monitor correctly. Bizzarely things are working. I am running the latest kernel as well as the previo
[07:48] <somethinginteres> us 3 in the 3.20.x series.
[07:49] <somethinginteres> I thought it might be a bug that's fixed so I did a Ctrl + Alt + F1 and sudo apt-get upgrade -u but it didn't fix the problem
[07:49] <chocimir> I have a problem with flash, videos on youtube work, but on other websides like liveleak they dont.
[07:49] <chocimir> I have ubuntu oneric and adoble flash 11.202
[07:50] <somethinginteres> chocimir: wrong channel buddy. This is for  Precise Pangolin support. Try #ubuntu instead.
[07:51] <chocimir> somethinginteres: kk, sorry.
[07:51] <somethinginteres> chocimir: it's np
[07:55] <Arnold> Hello. Just out of curiosity, what purpose does this "Graphics" field serve inside the Details settings applet in GNOME Control Center?
[08:46] <Tiron> Hi everyon I have a question about the Ubuntu LTS beta 12.04
[08:46] <Tiron> I am running this beta now
[08:47] <bazhang> whats the issue Tiron
[08:47] <Tiron> but do I need to install the Stable when it is released or does it automatically update?
[08:47] <bazhang> !final | Tiron
[08:47] <Tiron> fantastic thanks
[08:47] <bazhang> Tiron, may want to get that upgrade going before the actual moment of release though
[08:48] <Tiron> okay will do
[08:48] <bazhang> otherwise server slowness will be a big factor
[08:48] <bazhang> should even be a factoid for that
[08:48] <bazhang> !slow
[08:48] <bazhang> hehe
[08:51] <bouma> ive installed beta2 a couple of times and it wont boot up. ive mounted it from another drive and want to get grub to update itself
[08:51] <bouma> how do i trigger the "rescue mode" in ub1108 ?
[08:51] <bouma> so it can reinstall grub /dev/sda using the menu generated from all drives
[08:52] <bazhang> bouma, 11.08?
[08:53] <bouma> well 1204 wont start, ive gone back to oneiric
[08:53] <bazhang> 11.10 would be that
[08:53] <bouma> uh i meant 1110
[08:53] <bouma> right
[08:53] <bazhang> shift at boot
[08:53] <bazhang> support in #ubuntu
[08:53] <bouma> ok
[08:54] <bouma> at the end of the installer it give the error, error migrating data, and mentions /var/log/syslog
[08:54] <bazhang> for which
[08:55] <bouma> for 1204 beta2
[08:55] <bouma> ive repeated about 5times
 uh i meant 1110
[08:55] <bouma> ive used btrfs on a new partition/empty drive, and ext4, gave up on ext4
[08:56] <bazhang> bouma, you said you went back to 11.10
[08:57] <bouma> ok, to clarify, i've installed ub1204beta2 about 5 times, because the final install wont boot when i configure my bios to boot from the WD where it is installed (the only WD in the machine). because i cant boot to ub1204b2 ive gone back into the bios and set it to boot from a seagate with oneiric, running presently
[08:57] <bazhang> WD being what?
[08:58] <bouma> the md5sum is correct and the boot menu to verify the cd has successfully confirmed its ok. WD being a western digital sata3 drive
[08:58] <bazhang> a brand name?
[08:58] <bouma> ok its not important, i just mentioned it because i havent confused drives or anything like that
[09:00] <bazhang> bios should not enter into this if you have grub set up properly
[09:00] <bouma> i can definately say ive installed ub1204b2 to sda1 with the bootloader on sda, when the bios is directed to boot from sda it hangs with a flashing prompt
[09:01] <bouma> that was what I choose in the ub1204b2 installer. i want to reinstall grub to see if that lets it boot
[09:02] <bouma> is it safe to do sudo grub-install /dev/sda, this should rebuild a boot menu from all potential bootable partitions ?
[09:04] <bazhang> bou
[09:04] <bazhang> augh he quit
[09:11] <bouma> also after the ubuntu1204b2 installer reboots and i give up trying to get it to boot and instead start ub11.10, i check the sda with fdisk and it shows the Boot flag was clear? does this change anything ? will grub work without the fdisk boot flag?
[09:13] <richardlxc> i have a problem, my pc cannot recognize my wireless card after install ubuntu 12.04
[09:26] <alexstrand7> Ubuntu 12.04 setup works but it freezes after login. So I will use 10.04 until this will be fixed. PC: Dell Latitude D531.
[09:29] <alexstrand7> Is my computer too old for the newest Ubuntu versions?
[09:32] <Debro> hello, i would like to now how clear custom created wifi network from list..?
[09:43] <Tiron> When is it possible to already download the stable release of 12.04?
[09:43] <Tiron> or how can I check if I already have it
[09:44] <nik90> Tiron, the stable of release of 12.04 is on the 26th april
[09:44] <Tiron> okay
[09:44] <nik90> if you have been running the beta now, just keep updating
[09:44] <nik90> and you will automatically have the final freeze
[09:46] <Debro> nik90 thats nice..
[09:47] <Debro> nik90 can you help me with some questions about apperence..?
[09:47] <fishcooker> alexstrand7 keep trying
[09:47] <ali1234> Debro: right click the indicator and click edit connections then wireless then delete them
[09:48] <alexstrand7> fishcooker I have tried many times, but it still don't work, it is a bug in the ATI driver
[09:49] <fishcooker> alleluya.. i have nvidia on my chips
[09:49] <fishcooker> :D
[09:49] <fishcooker> not good ATI
[09:50] <nik90> Debro, sure
[09:50] <Tiron> Compiz is not working on 12.04 beta
[09:50] <Tiron> It crashes
[09:50] <alexstrand7> fishcooker I have an ATI card, I cant use another driver, the 10.04 driver works, why not use the same driver in 12.04?
[09:51] <alexstrand7> I can't upgrade before someone fix it
[09:53] <Debro> ali1234, i dont have connection at wireles but i see it in hidden connections..
[09:53] <alexstrand7> I also have an Ubuntu 10.10 cd but it is useless for me because of the driver. The same problem occur in 12.04
[09:53] <ali1234> well, that's not what you asked
[09:53] <Debro> nik90, I where i can see opened applications if i minimize them to taskbar
[09:54] <alexstrand7> Debro I had the same problem in 10.04
[09:54] <Debro> alexstrand7, what you did to fix it..?
[09:54] <nik90> Debro, you are asking this for Unity right?
[09:55] <alexstrand7> Debro I don't remember but I checked the wireless acces point, and if it's working I just switch off/on the wifi on my laptop
[09:55] <Debro> nik90, yes
[09:56] <Debro> alexstrand7, oh yes if i switch on/off if fix that problem.. it is lika a small bug..
[09:57] <nik90> Debro, when you minimize an app, it is goes to the unity launcher...(the dock on the left)..
[09:57] <nik90> Debro, the current running apps are shown by a triangle to the left of the icon
[09:57] <Debro> alexstrand7, thanks for help...
[09:57] <nik90> Debro, if there are 2 triangles (one to the left and one to the right), then it means that that app is currently running and focussed
[09:58] <Debro> nik90, i have problem with skype and teamviewer
[09:58] <nik90> Debro, I can help you with skype
[09:58] <Debro> nik90, when i want to open them they open another instance of app
[09:59] <nik90> Debro, with skype it is different...when you close skype, it shows an icon in the top panel..to the right
[09:59] <nik90> Debro, you can click that to show skype
[09:59] <Debro> nik90, not for me..
[09:59] <nik90> Debro, oh you dont see the skype icon on the top right?
[10:00] <Debro> nik90,  yes thats the problem.. and the same for teamviewer
[10:00] <nik90> Debro, did you upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04?
[10:00] <Debro> nik90, no i created clean install off 12.04
[10:01] <nik90> Debro, hmm that's wierd..skype has been whitelisted to show up in the top panel
[10:01] <nik90> Debro, are you running skype <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:01] <Debro> nik90, xchat also must be there.. also cant see it..
[10:01] <nik90> Debro, oh yeah for xchat I am aware of the issue
[10:02] <Debro> nik90, can i get old appearance without unity and still keep unity..?
[10:03] <nik90> Debro, I do not understand your question...you mean how to get skype on top panel like before in unity?
[10:04] <ali1234> skype is supposed to be whitelisted but it doesn't work at the moment for some reason
[10:04] <Debro> no i mean how to keep unity and use another  older GUI
[10:04] <nik90> well you can keep unity and install gnome-classic
[10:04] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/39069/how-do-i-use-the-gnome-panel-in-unity
[10:04] <nik90> although I am not sure if that would solve your problem
[10:07] <Debro> ok will see how it goes..
[10:07] <alexstrand7> Ok, you can install Gnome in 12.04 but how can I install Unity in 10.04?
[10:07] <Debro> can i maximize app from system procesis or something..?
[10:10] <Debro> nik90, ali1234, now i need to install gnome-panel? or gnome-classic?
[10:11] <ali1234> depends what exactly you want to do
[10:11] <Debro> ali1234, difference?
[10:11] <ali1234> gnome classic is a whole other desktop, it includes gnome panel
[10:11] <ali1234> you can select it on the login screen
[10:11] <ali1234> you can also install just gnome panel and use it with unity, though it's kind of buggy
[10:12] <Debro> ali1234, your suggestion..?
[10:12] <ali1234> try both and decide which works for you
[10:13] <Debro> ali1234, ok, ty! do you also now how to chek if video driver is installed..?
[10:34] <richardlxc> my wireless card didn't work for a long time
[10:34] <richardlxc> any suggestions?
[10:35] <richardlxc> and my os is ubuntu 12.04
[10:35] <bazhang> what chipset
[10:37] <panx> Anyone know why from todays?? update NVIDIA (nvidia-current) stop work?? ( http://pastebin.com/gvfqrJF2 )
[10:37] <richardlxc> bazhang: Intel WiFi Link 5100
[10:38] <Debro> changed to gnome classic but i cant click properties
[10:38] <bazhang> panx, new kernel?
[10:39] <alexstrand7> panx And why doesn't ATI work? It's the same because both things is graphic cards and we will get the same problem if it doesn't work
[10:39] <panx> ben pripably yes
[10:39] <bazhang> ben?
[10:39] <panx> baz xD
[10:39] <panx> Sorry xD
[10:39] <bazhang> panx, then start up in safe mode and install the drivers
[10:39] <bazhang> ie recovery mode, then reboot once installed
[10:40] <panx> =F
[10:40] <panx> this help?
[10:40] <alexstrand7> bazhang I have the same problem with an ATI driver, but I gave up getting 12.04 to work
[10:41] <Debro> i have problem with my NVIDIA i dont now if it works or not.. :P
[10:41] <bazhang> alexstrand7, which card
[10:41] <alexstrand7> I can't remember the whole name. But it is an ATI radeon. My PC is an Dell Latitude D531
[10:41] <bazhang> Debro, giving more detailed info is helpful, like exact card model
[10:41] <bazhang> alexstrand7, lspci to see
[10:41] <panx> bazhang, Your name is like an ointment for hemorrhoids :D
[10:42] <Debro> GeForce 8400GS
[10:42] <bazhang> panx, thanks, I guess
[10:42] <panx> bazhang, "bazag - and forgot about hemorrhoids " ;]
[10:42] <bazhang> Debro, I have nearly the same card, works a charm
[10:42] <Debro> bazhang, how can i check mine..?
[10:43] <alexstrand7> bazhang Why wanted Ubuntu to break their promise just because they forget to install ATI drivers with Ubuntu?
[10:43] <bazhang> Debro, for drivers? in the additional drivers section or with jockey-gtk?
[10:43] <bazhang> !info jockey-gtk
[10:43] <alexstrand7> after 10.10 to newer it will not work
[10:44] <bazhang> alexstrand7, wont work? fglrx? or what. amdccle ?
[10:44] <Debro> bazhang, dont now what i need do to see if it works.. cause in Details I see Driver: Unknown and Expirience: Standart
[10:45] <bazhang> Debro, you'd need to install the drivers then
[10:45] <bazhang> alexstrand7, what exact card?
[10:45] <panx> damn..... not working after instalation drivers from Safe mode ;/ ( sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current / install nvidia-current)
[10:45] <panx> and reboot
[10:45] <Debro> bazhang, at additiona driver i have one activated..
[10:45] <panx> so im wairing for patch to kerner
[10:46] <panx> waiting*
[10:46] <panx> wait.. xD
[10:46] <UberDuper> Any of you running kvm hosts/guests with 12.04?
[10:47] <panx> damna... and i cannot playing Minecraft now .... aww... -.-
[10:48] <alexstrand7> bazhang it is an ATI Radeon Xpress 1250     Setup completes when In login it freezes, and when I'm booting my old os I searched for it on google and it says it is a graphic bug.
[10:48] <bazhang> alexstrand7, got a link to the bug page?
[10:48] <Debro> bazhang, nvidia accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (version current-updates)
[10:48] <UberDuper> I have 4 machines running 12.04 updated today as kvm hosts running a handful of 12.04 and a couple 10.04 guests.
[10:49] <panx> ok bye, thanks 4all :)
[10:49] <alexstrand7> baqzhang no,If I can't login then I can't report it
[10:49] <UberDuper> The 12.04 guests randomly stop responding to network. tcpdump on the guest shows that it's still receiving packets but no longer sending any.
[10:49] <bazhang> alexstrand7, you said you saw on the web. presumably that had a link.
[10:49] <UberDuper> The 10.04 guests have yet to have this problem.
[10:50] <Debro> anyone now why i cant see skype icon in right corner..?
[10:50] <UberDuper> I can't seem to manually cause it to happen. Seems random after ~24 hours of uptime.
[10:50] <UberDuper> ifdown/up does not resolve it. I have to reboot the guest.
[10:51] <alexstrand7> bazhang it is deleted, I can't find it back
[10:51] <alexstrand7> I found one for 10.10 but it is the same problem
[10:51] <Debro> could i get any help
[10:52] <alexstrand7> bazhang here is one for 11.10 but it is still the same error http://www.linuxine.com/story/how-do-you-make-dell-latitude-d531-ubuntu-1110-show-task-bar-and-unity-dock
[10:57] <Debro> hello...
[10:58] <Debro> i need some help with graphic card, skype and unity
[11:00] <alexstrand7> Someone knows about how to fix this? This is the same problem I got in 12.04 http://www.linuxine.com/story/how-do-you-make-dell-latitude-d531-ubuntu-1110-show-task-bar-and-unity-dock
[11:13] <Debro> awww need help with unity, skype and geforce 8400
[11:15] <UberDuper> Finally able to break one after a few rsyncs.
[11:16] <UberDuper> At the end of that bug report, someone recommends disabling event_idx. So I'll give that a go and see if I can repro the failure.
[11:34]  * nik90 trying out IRC in empathy
[11:35] <jokerdino> hi nekhelesh
[11:36] <fishcooker> unfortunately for alexstrand7
[11:36] <fishcooker> how about press shift after restart
[11:36] <fishcooker> then choose ubuntu after grub load
[11:36] <fishcooker> i've realized my friend also facing the problem
[11:37] <fishcooker> n booting well
[11:37] <nik90> jokerdino, hi
[11:37] <nik90> jokerdino, can you confirm if this message is addressed to you... in the sense that you get pinged
[11:39] <jokerdino> yes it does nik90
[11:39] <nik90> jokerdino, awesome....trying out empathy after using xchat for a long time
[11:40] <jokerdino> nice :)
[11:40] <airtonix> nik90: start typing a really long sentence... lulz ensues
[11:40] <airtonix> nik90: also, try copy pasting from empathy... more lulz ensues
[11:41] <jokerdino> i am waiting :D
[11:41] <airtonix> he's probably raging
[11:41] <nik90> airtonix, ?..hmm ok..This is a really really really really really really really really really really really reallyreallyreally long sentence :P
[11:41] <nik90> airtonix, jokerdino ...hahaha
[11:41] <airtonix> notice how emapthy makes the window expand to fit the sentence, instead of making the sentence word wrap
[11:41] <jokerdino> raging heh?
[11:42] <nik90> airtonix...nope for me the sentence wraps
[11:42] <airtonix> when you're typing it
[11:43] <nik90> airtonix...that's ok..
[11:43] <airtonix> it's actually really annoying
[11:43] <nik90> atleast it returns it to its original state after sending
[11:43] <airtonix> since i don't have a habit of defining my windows widths and heights by the letters i type in them
[11:43] <airtonix> i don't expect empathy to behave any differently
[11:43] <airtonix> and yet
[11:44] <nik90> airtonix, my actual empathy window size remains the same...the input text box heigh starting increasing...but then returned to its original size after sending the text
[11:45] <airtonix> it used to make the entire window width expand to fit the sentence
[11:45] <airtonix> instead of just word wrapping it
[11:45] <nik90> ok that's doesnt happen to me...but I can see how annoying it would have been
[11:45] <airtonix> and it also stayed at that new width
[11:46] <Debro> nik90, hello.. i installed gnome panel but i cant customize it what is a problem?
[11:46] <airtonix> hold alt
[11:46] <airtonix> then right click Debro
[11:46] <Debro> airtonix, not working
[11:46] <nik90> Debro, I have no experience with gnome-panel... sorry :(
[11:47] <jbicha> Debro: if you're using Compiz, you'll need to hold down Alt+Windows key while right-clicking
[11:47] <nik90> airtonix, do you get the bug where skype icon is not present in the top panel as an indicator?
[11:47] <airtonix> i don't use skype
[11:48] <Debro> jbicha, looks like im using Compiz.. :P
[11:49] <Debro> who can help me with Geforce 8400 drivers
[11:50] <airtonix> i think it will be the person who benefits from your detailed description of your problem
[11:51] <Debro> I have installed this driver: nvidia accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (version current-updates)
[11:51] <Debro> but I dont now if it relay works
[11:53] <Debro> how i can see if driver is working and using my video card?
[11:56] <jbicha> Debro: if you're able to run Compiz, then your graphics drivers are probably fine
[11:57] <Debro> jbicha, i dont even now how compiz get there..
[11:58] <jbicha> Debro: that's the difference between "GNOME Classic" and "GNOME Classic (Without Effects)"
[11:58] <Debro> jbicha, In Details I see Driver: Unknown and Expirience: Standart
[11:59] <jbicha> Debro: install mesa-utils if you want the Driver line to actually say something
[11:59] <jbicha> the Experience: Standard line doesn't mean anything in Ubuntu
[11:59] <jbicha> bye
[12:04] <Debro> what take more resources unity or gnome classic...?
[12:05] <kklimonda> unity
[12:06] <taxman> it's nothing to say...
[12:06] <taxman> unity is designed for mobile devices
[12:07] <taxman> such as... ubuntu tablet?
[12:07] <kklimonda> not really
[12:07] <taxman> or netbook
[12:07] <Debro> unity is nice but i want it more customized
[12:07] <UberDuper> kde imo
[12:07] <nik90> just install customization tools such as MyUnity
[12:07] <taxman> i am using kde plasma now
[12:08] <UberDuper> Everyone hates on it, but it's quite usable.
[12:08] <taxman> the new kde is unlike old and crappy kde
[12:09] <UberDuper> I have kubuntu VMs on my desktop I use to support each of my clients.
[12:09] <WilsonBradley> Heres a baffling question.. Does Ubuntu 12.04 support Multi-plexing two wifi INTERNET connections or load balance?
[12:09] <Debro> taxman what is kde plasma
[12:09] <taxman> ...
[12:09] <taxman> you are stuck in the past
[12:10] <Debro> taxman, im new user
[12:10] <taxman> i am running Salix OS, it's using kde plasma
[12:10] <taxman> go for it
[12:11] <countfuzzball> How much 'server stuff' does the ubuntu server iso include? Or would I be better off getting the ubuntu-alternate iso for a minimal install?
[12:11] <UberDuper> countfuzzball: It's reasonably trimmed.
[12:12] <Debro> taxman can i install kde plasma?
[12:13] <taxman> why not?
[12:13] <UberDuper> WilsonBradley: I would think bond modes 0, 5 and 6 would work.
[12:13] <Debro> taxman, It will be just GUI?
[12:13] <UberDuper> Assuming your AP doesn't mind.
[12:13] <taxman> go to get a salix os live cd and try kde
[12:14] <UberDuper> Oh internet.
[12:14] <WilsonBradley> bond modes?
[12:14] <UberDuper> On a bad machine you could do that with pf. That's not multiplexing, but it is load balancing.
[12:15] <WilsonBradley> Is there a command to add those together?
[12:15] <UberDuper> WilsonBradley: Sorry I didn't read your whole question before I answered. You wouldn't be able to use bonding on to wifi internet connections.
[12:15] <UberDuper> On a BSD machine.. not bad.
[12:15] <WilsonBradley> ;-(
[12:16] <UberDuper> I think the same thing pf does can be done on linux.
[12:18] <UberDuper> WilsonBradley: Yea it's route2. I haven't done it on linux or read this page, but it looks like what you want. http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN298
[12:18] <WilsonBradley> Thank you so much.. will read up on that.
[12:43] <fishcooker> shortcut for lock the desktop
[12:43] <fishcooker> ?
[12:45] <penguin42> fishcooker: ctrl-alt-l
[12:46] <fishcooker> it works penguin42
[12:46] <fishcooker> thanks
[13:09] <bastidrazor> !notes
[13:09] <bastidrazor> hmm..
[13:31] <natman> after installing Kubuntu 12 04 beta 2 on my netbook, it gives me a default activity that is not the standard dsktop, how do i change?
[13:32] <penguin42> ah yes, erm hang on let me find it
[13:33] <penguin42> natman: Go to system settings->workspace behaviour->workspace and then change the workspace type to Desktop
[13:34] <natman> oo nice thx penguin42
[13:35] <penguin42> natman: Pretty much everything is configurable in KDE - if you can find the option :-)
[13:35] <natman> lol i know, just hate the finding the option!
[13:36] <natman> wow they really need a better desktop wallaper for an lts
[13:51] <Lace57> Hey guys, will VLC 2.0 be available in the repos of 12.04 lts?
[13:52] <fishcooker> oh c'mon lace57
[13:52] <GraemeLion> Lace57: I'm showing 2.0.1 in LTS
[13:52] <fishcooker> open the ubuntu software center
[13:52] <fishcooker> vlc in top rated apps
[13:52] <Lace57> fishcooker I'm not on Ubuntu right now.
[13:52] <fishcooker> you'll be
[13:52] <fishcooker> :)
[13:52] <snadge> lol.. software center
[13:52] <GraemeLion> Lace57: It's in there.
[13:53] <snadge> i only ever use apt from the command line.. like god intended ;)
[13:53] <Lace57> GaemeLion, thanks.
[13:53] <fishcooker> i've used to snadge
[13:53] <Lace57> snadge, me too :)
[13:53] <fishcooker> but im impressed with USC
[13:53] <fishcooker> cool
[13:53] <snadge> the last time i loaded it.. i thought it sucked even more than synaptic did
[13:54] <snadge> but that was a while ago.. i must admit
[13:54] <GraemeLion> snadge: It's pretty fast now in +1
[13:54] <fishcooker> that's a while
[13:54] <fishcooker> its cool
[13:54] <Lace57> synaptic isn't that bad, it's simple, but works
[13:54] <fishcooker> give it once shot
[13:54] <GraemeLion> I use it to find things I normally haven't looked for :)
[13:54] <snadge> well i used to think unity sucked
[13:54] <GraemeLion> But when I do a new install, I just use commandline
[13:54] <snadge> but now i use it.. and i find myself having a go at people who cry over it
[13:55] <snadge> telling them to get with the program etc :P
[13:55] <Lace57> snadge I used to think Unity sucks, then I liked it until they removed dodge, now it suckes again
[13:55] <snadge> i had a whinge about dodge for about a day or two
[13:55] <snadge> then i got over it.. i just use autohide.. and be done with it
[13:55] <GraemeLion> snadge: Use what youwant ;)
[13:55] <GraemeLion> THO. Unity has gotten a lot better :D
[13:55] <snadge> yes it sucks.. but apparently the dodge code sucked more, and nobody wanted to fix bugs or maintain it
[13:55] <Lace57> well I settled for KDE now, no unity for me anymore
[13:55] <snadge> KDE should just die already ;)
[13:56] <snadge> canonical tried to kill it.. unsuccessfully.. sigh :p
[13:56] <Lace57> snadge, KDE is awesome :D
[13:56] <GraemeLion> In a few years, I suspect people will stop whining about unity.  After all, I remember when people were whining about the dock in OSX
[13:56] <fishcooker>  evangelist KDE wannabe , Lace57
[13:56] <GraemeLion> Canonical can't kill KDE :P
[13:56] <fishcooker> but Gnome is killed
[13:56] <fishcooker> already
[13:56] <GraemeLion> Heck, if Debian couldn't kill it years ago, when everyone hated it..
[13:56] <snadge> gnome versus kde is almost older than i am.. (not really)
[13:57] <snadge> but gnome won that battle .. kde has its followers.. but nobody cares ;)
[13:57] <Lace57> yea, no one I know uses gnome 3 vanilla. not sure what the gnome devs had in their drinks
[13:57] <snadge> gnome almost jumped the shark with v3.. but so did kde with v4.. so its like nintendo vs sega ;)
[13:57] <GraemeLion> snadge: KDE 4 came out, and it sucked :D
[13:57] <GraemeLion> A lot .
[13:57] <snadge> vim vs emacs
[13:58] <GraemeLion> Now it's awesome, so there ya go.  Things take time.  We devs can't just pull finished and polished product out of our arses :D
[13:58] <snadge> you get crazy evangelists supporting either side.. and then theres the majority who just doesnt care ;)
[13:58] <Lace57> I prefer vim :D
[13:58] <snadge> so do i.. but i actually met someone the other day that prefers emacs
[13:58] <snadge> i was shocked
[13:58] <fishcooker> +1 Lace57
[13:58] <bastidrazor> did the mint people pick up kde?
[13:58] <Lace57> usually just use kate though
[13:59] <fishcooker> nope bastidrazor
[13:59] <bastidrazor> kde.. kubuntu i mean
[13:59] <Lace57> there's a kde spin yes, main is cinnamon
[13:59] <snadge> they tried to justify their emacs love to me.. and i was like .. dude.. i've been using vi for nearly 20 decades
[13:59] <GraemeLion> snadge: You'll find the guys who like emacs use it for EVERYTHING in the task they're doing
[13:59] <drc> there is only one true editor...ed
[13:59] <bastidrazor> notepad
[13:59] <snadge> lol 20 decades.. 2 decades.. 20 years whatever :p
[13:59] <fishcooker> :) bastidrazor
[13:59] <drc> 20 decades?
[14:00] <snadge> ROFL
[14:00] <snadge> someone next door is chundering hardcore from drinking too much
[14:00] <snadge> hahahaha
[14:00] <bastidrazor> fishcooker: somebody picked up kubuntu
[14:00] <GraemeLion> I'm still very impressed with 12.04.
[14:00] <GraemeLion> This is a surprisingly awesome release for an LTS
[14:01] <bastidrazor> GraemeLion: being a dev, which part did you tinker with?
[14:01] <Lace57> blue systems is sponsoring kubuntu, linux mint kde and one other kde distro
[14:01] <fishcooker> graemelion +1 here
[14:01] <GraemeLion> bastidrazor: I don't work on ubuntu core ;) I meant on app dev in general :D I do other projects here and there, mostly just throw patches around to people
[14:02] <Lace57> what I miss on Gnome systems is an app like Krita
[14:02] <GraemeLion> bastidrazor: Tho, I'm thinking of getting more involvement with some apps and things like quickly, unity, etc
[14:02] <fishcooker> what's that
[14:03] <fishcooker> krita
[14:03] <bastidrazor>  GraemeLion good deal. good luck :)
[14:03] <GraemeLion> Which, btw, if you've never programmed but want to, quickly is a VERY fun start
[14:04] <Lace57> fishcooker, app for prefessional digital painting http://krita.org/
[14:04] <Lace57> pro*
[14:04] <Lace57> part of calligra suite
[14:04] <fishcooker> it's also available @USC
[14:05] <fishcooker> Krita : bla.. bla..bla
[14:05] <fishcooker> just install it
[14:05] <fishcooker> :D
[14:06] <Lace57> it's kde-based an pulls alot of deps, doesn't look as good in gnome :) + kde is much better anyways :P
[14:06] <snadge> im an old man.. i hate everything except matlock.. ooh, its on now :p
[14:06] <snadge> so that means it sucks then ;)
[14:06] <snadge> k3b is pretty good.. always has been better than any other burning app
[14:07] <snadge> its just as well that optical media became obsolete
[14:07] <Lace57> I have no idea what people dislike about kde, i only dislike it's default look, which is easily cusomizable via gui
[14:07] <snadge> before a decent gnome counterpart could be made.. hehe
[14:07] <snadge> well only a couple of things .. which are minor
[14:07] <snadge> everything starts wtih K.. it tries to be too much like windows
[14:07] <snadge> and it uses QT
[14:07] <GraemeLion> I use dd to burn :D
[14:08] <Lace57> and qt is bad because.. ?
[14:08] <snadge> its written in c++
[14:08] <snadge> which makes it suck by definition
[14:08] <Lace57> i like c++ :(
[14:09] <snadge> gtk is written in c.. it sucks too.. but.. it appears to be the winnar ;)
[14:09] <jtaylor> C++ does make sense for gui stuff, C does not
[14:09] <snadge> no
[14:09] <snadge> java makes sense for gui stuff
[14:09] <Lace57> the "bad" bad thing about kde i've seen so far is that it uses more ram, but ram is really cheap these days
[14:09] <jtaylor> in the same way C++ does
[14:09] <snadge> c++ never made any sense for anything ;)
[14:09] <jtaylor> the rest is just language differences
[14:10] <GraemeLion> snadge: Have you looked at GTK?
[14:10] <snadge> hey i was never trying to defend gtk.. its apparently awful
[14:10] <GraemeLion> You are correct that GTK is written in C, but the first thing they tried to do is turn C into C++ :D
[14:11] <alteregoa> whats the querulantic quagga?
[14:11] <jtaylor> not really, but they added object orientation with awkward C syntax
[14:11] <jtaylor> and then they wrote vala to get rid of that
[14:11] <snadge> gnome also apparently has bits of mono in it
[14:11] <snadge> which is just plain wrong
[14:11] <jtaylor> why?
[14:11] <alteregoa> if i start the machine with xbmc in startup gnume crashes
[14:11] <jtaylor> c# sure beats java and C++
[14:11] <alteregoa> it crashes for no reason
[14:12] <alteregoa> no compiz sorry
[14:12] <alteregoa> why do they still support such crashy apps like compiz, because it crashed just because of xbmc autostart in startup manager
[14:12] <alteregoa> i think this is a weird crash for weirdos
[14:12] <GraemeLion> jtaylor: Well, I was oversimplifying :)
[14:13] <Lace57> didn't canonical employ the compiz devs?
[14:14] <alteregoa> i bet a android like data do them better
[14:15] <snadge> technology sucks :P
[14:15] <alteregoa> good morning vietnam
[14:17] <alteregoa> could you fix those error within a  few release cycle? or do i have to wait till the zonked zebrule?
[14:17] <Lace57> omgubuntu wrote there will be a release candidate of 12.04?
[14:18] <GraemeLion> Lace57: I don't see one.
[14:18] <Lace57> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule < nothing to see here
[14:18] <snadge> nah.. it'll probably just get dumped on the public.. like every other ubuntu release
[14:18] <snadge> this one is no real exception.. its an lts, and its actually pretty good
[14:19] <snadge> ive always said that ubuntu+1 will be the one that creates world peace.. and finally brings linux to the masses
[14:19] <Lace57> what the.. when i go to omg ubuntu, i get redirected to some other site, has it been hacked?
[14:19] <GraemeLion> Well, saying it gets "dumped on the public" kinda doesn't do justice :P
[14:19] <GraemeLion> Ubuntu does better releases than most companies I've worked at :D
[14:19] <snadge> sure it does
[14:20] <snadge> ive been using ubuntu since hoary hedgehog
[14:20] <snadge> and debian before that
[14:20] <snadge> im an old man now.. and linux on the desktop was supposed to happen years ago.. according to my youthful teenage enthusiasm
[14:21] <snadge> now im starting to think the apocalypse will happen before that does ;)
[14:23] <Lace57> the one thing i like ubuntu for is that my wireless lan works out of the box
[14:28] <skellum> Ubuntu enabled me to get my wife away from windows. After years of making fun of me for using Linux and FreeBSD, so it isn't too shabby
[14:29] <thetinyjesus> I find it funny that every corporate person with quite a bit of money says "i look ahead at 2013, because if somethings going to happen on 12-21-12 theres nothing I can do about it. Its as if they were told something :P
[14:30] <GraemeLion> Well, it could be that the thing on 12-21 is bs?
[14:30] <penguin42> thetinyjesus: You mean all the project deadlines I'm ignoring for after that I'll actually have to meet?
[14:31] <thetinyjesus> penguin42, lol I put myself on hold and went into this will be the best summer ever if i go out mentality
[14:32] <GraemeLion> Why stop your life for some stupid prediction?
[14:32] <thetinyjesus> I obviously did the complete opposite, and am taking advantage of the year doing as much as possible
[14:34] <thetinyjesus> and there's more to it than just some stupid prediction, not saying definite end of the world things but, things that could possibly happen from the galactic alignment with magnetics, solar flare emps etc, why do you think nasa is trying to figure out how to calculate these solar flares so they can shut down satellites and not loose communication world wide
[14:35] <GraemeLion> galactic alignment :P
[14:35] <GraemeLion> Learn some science, please.
[14:36] <thetinyjesus> apparently the mayan calendar is now less accurate than the gregorian calendar
[14:37] <thetinyjesus> and they didn't know lunar eclipses 100% accurately along with their long term calculations
[14:37] <Lace57> like that guy drom the us that predicted the end of the world several times and collected money from people, now what would he need money for if the world ends
[14:37] <Lace57> from*
[14:38] <thetinyjesus> cause its not going to "end"
[14:38] <thetinyjesus> but things could change you never know
[14:38] <GraemeLion> Things DO change.
[14:38] <GraemeLion> All the time.
[14:38] <Lace57> well, he made people believe the world was going to "end" so they would give all their money to him
[14:38] <thetinyjesus> exactly, but usually over a decade not nearly instantaneously
[14:39] <Lace57> forgot his name..
[14:39] <thetinyjesus> the dude that was religious ?
[14:39] <skellum> Politics are the most likely catalyst for negative impact on technology in 2012 than ancient predictions
[14:39] <thetinyjesus> that thought the Apocalypse was here
[14:40] <thetinyjesus> politics are so corrupt, not saying ron paul is awesome but he seems the most level headed out of the tools running
[14:41]  * penguin42 notes this is #ubuntu+1    - shouldn't get too OT!
[14:41] <thetinyjesus> he can relate to things like a normal citizen, ie: go to another country and set up base, expect them to get pissed after being there for 40 years and retaliate" thats pretty much dead on
[14:41] <dustinspringman> any idea how to get the deb install of urbanterror? I tried d/ling the tar.gz but I get some sort of glitch that others say is fixed if you install using apt-get.. but i cant find it in apt-get...
[14:41] <Lace57> harold camping was his name
[14:41] <GraemeLion> dustinspringman: Have you looked at playdeb?
[14:41] <skellum> NSA is in/on the north American backbone and Obama seems to think he owns it.  Congress wants to lock its contents down, we are screwed
[14:42] <thetinyjesus> i haven't read into it, but how in the hell has obama spent nearly 5 trillion in 4 years? he has spent more than even Bush in his 8 year term
[14:42] <dustinspringman> GraemeLion: yes, actually on it right now...tried clicking the deb install and then synaptic opens and says "not found"
[14:42] <GraemeLion> thetinyjesus: Wrong.
[14:42] <GraemeLion> Bush spent around 7 trillion.
[14:42] <penguin42> !ot
[14:42] <GraemeLion> But yeah, we're losing the plot here :P
[14:43] <GraemeLion> dustinspringman: Try saving that deb somewhere, then using it from local.  I've found playdeb gets a little quirky
[14:43] <dustinspringman> ahh
[14:43] <dustinspringman> GraemeLion: RGR, gonna give that a shot, thnx
[14:45] <dustinspringman> GraemeLion: uhm.. how do you save it locally?? i click the link, it just goes to synaptic and tries to load and fails.. right clicking and "save link as" only grabs the html.. =/
[14:46] <thetinyjesus> has anyone messed around with gnome 3.4 enough to get a good impression? how does it compare to unity?
[14:46] <GraemeLion> dustinspringman: Hmm.  Weird. Okay.. might not be the best way to do it.
[14:46] <dustinspringman> GraemeLion: its listed on "ubuntuupdates.org", but it does the same thing.. =/
[14:47] <GraemeLion> dustinspringman: Oka, so.. the thing you downloaded is an install, right?
[14:47] <Lace57> thetinyjesus: gnome 3.4 is mostly minor fixes and stabilty stuff, workflow hasn't changed. I'd choose unity over gnome shell
[14:48] <thetinyjesus> Lace57, that was my outcome when trying 3.2, unity is becoming much more polished and smooth running in my experience
[14:48] <Lace57> thetinyjesus: you can try a livecd http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/misc/promo-cd/
[14:49] <thetinyjesus> Lace57, is there a bunch of extras that come with installing gnome to make it a pain to remove like kde?
[14:49] <dustinspringman> GraemeLion: the one i did download was just a 1Gb file that had the x86_64.exe in it, i made that executable.. it loads up, i can join games but i can never pick a team or weapons, etc.. background of all the toolbars has red/white/blue... i also verified the md5 as well... solutions on the web point to getting the package via the deb instead..
[14:49] <Lace57> I'm not sure haven't tried doing that
[14:49] <dustinspringman> GraemeLion: I did just find a repo on pkgs.org for it.. maybe that will work?
[14:51] <GraemeLion> Hmm..
[14:51] <GraemeLion> dustinspringman: Dunno what to suggest.. maybe a bug of some type in the server code or something?  That seems weird.
[14:51] <dustinspringman> GraemeLion: you play uterror? on 12.04?
[14:52] <GraemeLion> Nuh.
[14:52] <dustinspringman> GraemeLion: ahh, apparently there arent many 12.04 users playing yet..
[14:53] <dustinspringman> i dont think its in the synaptic list for 12.04, at least thats how it appears...
[14:53] <snadge> i play minecraft on 12.04.. but it crashes upon exit.. thats apparently an xorg 1.11 thing :p
[14:53] <dustinspringman> snadge: neat, love new code.. XD
[14:53] <snadge> and xorg 1.12 (which is in edgers) breaks nx server
[14:53] <snadge> and doesnt work with fglrx :p
[14:54] <dustinspringman> GraemeLion: thanks for the help, i'll keep hunting.. i gotta reboot post-updates..
[14:54] <dustinspringman> i'm using nvidia drivers, having great success.. ati drivers on my last laptop always gave me troubles..
[14:54] <GraemeLion> dustinspringman: Kayo.  Good luck.
[14:55] <penguin42> the open ATI drivers are doing pretty good  for me; KDE on 12.04 is sweet with them
[14:55] <snadge> right.. its radeon vs noveau and nv vs fglrx
[14:55] <snadge> all of the above have their strengths and weaknesses
[14:55] <michaelfavia> intel 32 and 64 bi tmerged into i386 now?
[14:55] <penguin42> michaelfavia: Not quite
[14:55] <Lace57> the open drivers always worked better for me
[14:55] <penguin42> michaelfavia: But you can install i386 packages on your 64bit machine now
[14:55] <snadge> unless you have a video card made within the last 12 months
[14:56] <snadge> and then the open drivers are practically useless
[14:56] <michaelfavia> penguin42, and get ram support  for 8gb or whatever?
[14:56] <penguin42> snadge: I did see something that ATI released open source drivers for the latest recently
[14:56] <snadge> right.. but they're not going to be in precise
[14:57] <jtaylor> michaelfavia: no 32 bit are still limited to 32 bit address space and instruction set
[14:57] <snadge> i think thats for 3.4 kernel.. experimental builds of mesa with unsupported options etc
[14:57] <penguin42> michaelfavia: So one other change is that on i386 they've enabled 'pae' by default -  that lets you use more RAM on i386
[14:57] <penguin42> snadge: Probably
[14:57] <jtaylor> penguin42: it still won't allow 32 bit programs use more than ~2 GB
[14:57] <LiNuX`sup> I seem to be having some input issues with usb/mouse/keyboard. It occurs while gaming. It doesn't seem to support multi input. Any suggestions?
[14:57] <penguin42> jtaylor: Nod
[14:57] <Lace57> most modern PCs should support 64 bit anyways
[14:57] <snadge> always the way.. to get the most out of the free drivers.. you need to use bleeding edge kernel, xorg, mesa.. to get the most out of proprietary drivers.. you have to do the opposite ;)
[14:58] <Lace57> i'm fine as long as i can play minecraft :D
[14:59] <snadge> better with prop drivers
[14:59] <skellum> Will wubi update 11.10 to 12.04 when it's official?
[14:59] <snadge> ive been playing minecraft with 512 textures.. and allocating 8GB of ram :p
[14:59] <GraemeLion> I believe Wubi is out.
[14:59] <LiNuX`sup> you can update 11.10 to 12.04 now by changing a setting in your update prefrences
[15:00] <GraemeLion> Oh.. my bad.  It's off the disk, it can still be downloaded
[15:00] <snadge> wubi should still work with 12.04 ?
[15:00] <skellum> But it will "install" 11.10
[15:00] <michaelfavia> penguin42, jtaylor so i should be downloading the amd 64 bit one for full 64 bit suport? very modern dell xps15z with 8gb and new intel i5 or whatever.
[15:00] <skellum> The Ubuntu windows installer download I mean.
[15:00] <penguin42> michaelfavia: Yeh go with 64
[15:00] <snadge> if there is no wubi for 12.04 .. then yes, you can use 11.10 and then dist-upgrade to 12.04
[15:01] <michaelfavia> penguin42, i used to have flash trouble, etc but i thnk they ironed all that out in the last few years
[15:01] <penguin42> michaelfavia: That all just works these days
[15:01] <LiNuX`sup> what file do I edit for mouse polling rate/dpi
[15:01] <Lace57> flash works fine on 64
[15:01] <michaelfavia> penguin42++ thank you
[15:01] <jtaylor> except that it constantly crashes :/
[15:01] <snadge> skype in ubuntu 12.04 is still a bit dicey
[15:01] <penguin42> jtaylor: Some things never change
[15:01] <skellum> Maybe I should have looked at alternative downloads before clicking the huge download button :-)
[15:01] <michaelfavia> jtaylor, well thats not unique to 64 :)
[15:01] <Lace57> not for me, never had a crash in months
[15:01] <penguin42> jtaylor: Actually, it's not too bad for me these days in chromium
[15:02] <snadge> but you can get skype to work with a shoehorn, and some lubricant
[15:02] <michaelfavia> i have a nice blue tint in flash movies for the last week on 12.04 ;)
[15:02] <snadge> or a bit of googlefu ;)
[15:02] <GraemeLion> michaelfavia: Yeah :D
[15:02] <jtaylor> skype works out of the box for me
[15:02] <michaelfavia> GraemeLion, known bug apparently being fixed
[15:02] <snadge> i had to install a bunch of :i386 libs
[15:02] <GraemeLion> michaelfavia: Yeah.  Welcome to +1 :D
[15:02] <snadge> and it complained bitterly out of the box
[15:02] <michaelfavia> had link yesterday. oh i dont mind.
[15:02] <Lace57> chromium crashes sometimes on youtube when html 5 player used
[15:03] <GraemeLion> michaelfavia: I suspect by the time I do a workaround, it'll fix itself
[15:03] <michaelfavia> GraemeLion, exactly.
[15:03] <delac> trying to install some Gnome Shell extensions from extensions.gnome.org, but gnome-tweak-tool fails to open after that. One way to fix the problem is to copy the schema to /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas, but I was wondering if anyone had a fix that wouldn't require sudo?
[15:04] <michaelfavia> GraemeLion, or worse the fix will collide with your work around and not your int the very small subset of people who did both :)
[15:05] <GraemeLion> michaelfavia: At the start of Beta1 ,there was this nasty crash thing going on
[15:05] <GraemeLion> I fixed it, and a week later, they fixed it, and their fix and my fix mated and produced this horrible OTHER issue
[15:05] <michaelfavia> GraemeLion, digital darwinism :)
[15:07] <michaelfavia> ok downloading torrent now. is there an easier way these days to install than a usb stick?
[15:07] <michaelfavia> partition mount or something?
[15:07] <mblayman> hello, I'm experiencing a strange issue with shutdown that I can't figure out. I can shutdown graphically or from the command line, and the computer will seem to come to a complete halt (no obvious activity from the hard drive light), but the power doesn't turn off. Does anyone know how to debug this kind of issue? This is Ubuntu 12.04.
[15:07] <OffGridOps> I am running the most recent version of Ubuntu Tweak but the I cannot change the Login Screen since install of 12.04.  Any ideas?  Thanx!
[15:08] <michaelfavia> mblayman, can you switch to console 1 when its hung?
[15:08] <michaelfavia> and see whats waiting?
[15:09] <michaelfavia> ctrl+alt+f1
[15:09] <michaelfavia> your desktop/xsession is f8
[15:09] <mblayman> I can try. I don't think it did anything, but I'll give it a shot. be back momentarily.
[15:10] <mblayman> actually, michaelfavia, when should I switch to that? As soon as the shutdown process is starting?
[15:11] <michaelfavia> mblayman, good question.
[15:11] <michaelfavia> you might want to try logging in as a terminal client
[15:11] <michaelfavia> and issuing a shutdown from there
[15:11] <michaelfavia> you might se emore
[15:12] <mblayman> ok, thanks.
[15:12] <michaelfavia> in that case  just ctrl+alt+f1 from the gnome login screen
[15:12] <michaelfavia> and login in text form
[15:12] <michaelfavia> then issue a shutdown
[15:12] <mblayman> right
[15:12] <mblayman> brb
[15:14] <skellum>  How do you exec uname -a so it goes into the channel?
[15:15] <michaelfavia> skellum, this channel?
[15:15] <skellum> For example, yes
[15:16] <michaelfavia> used to be /uname iirc
[15:16] <michaelfavia> nope you need userscripts
[15:17] <skellum> Havnt used Inc since 1998, was thinking it was a bang command
[15:17] <skellum> S/inc/irc/
[15:17] <michaelfavia> skellum, depends on your client
[15:18] <skellum> Could be, I always used ircii
[15:18] <ent_> is anyone using gnome 3 for 12.04 lts ?
[15:18] <bazhang> yes as thats standart ent_
[15:19] <ent_> i thought unity was ?
[15:19] <bazhang> ent_, in other words everyone is
[15:19] <bazhang> ent_, unity is a shell
[15:19] <bazhang> !notunity | ent_
[15:20] <ha1flosse> exit
[15:20] <ent_> thanks for that
[15:20] <bazhang> np
[15:21] <delac> does anyone happend to know if gnome-tweak-tool version 3.4.0 is going to be available anytime soon?
[15:21] <bazhang> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[15:22] <bazhang> delac, you need it for what reason? unless its a security fix it's not likely
[15:23] <mblayman> michaelfavia, for some reason, I only got a virtual terminal once when I switched from the login screen. On that attempt, it halted and powered down normally. :/
[15:23] <mblayman> My other attempts were foiled because I didn't get a virtual terminal.
[15:24] <mblayman> just a blank screen
[15:24] <GraemeLion> Yay.  12.04 gmtp recognizes my android phone :)
[15:24] <michaelfavia> mblayman, interesting. might want to open up the logfile viewer and look for errors
[15:25] <michaelfavia> GraemeLion, mine too. i plugged it in yesterday and it showed up as a galaxy nexus. i was surprised.
[15:25] <michaelfavia> OSS for the win!
[15:25] <delac> bazhang: apparently they changed something in the gnome 3.4 so that shell extensions can use gsettings to store user prefs. Gnoem in Pangolin is mostly 3.4 and installing those extensions work, but trying to open gnome-tweak-tool fails with critical error. I was just wondering if the new version would make it compatible.
[15:25] <mblayman> yeah, logfile viewer only has the syslog and the syslog does not seem to log anything helpful on shutdown.
[15:25] <michaelfavia> mblayman, you have suspend, and boot and syslog if nothign else
[15:26] <countfuzzball> I can't get a grub loopback ubuntu server iso file on usb to detect the 'cdrom', I tried the cdrom-detect/try-usb=true, but the installer can't find the cdrom. How do I fix this?
[15:26] <GraemeLion> michaelfavia: I have ICS on mine, tho.. so.. it uses the new method of transfer
[15:27] <michaelfavia> GraemeLion, yeah mtp iirc?
[15:27] <GraemeLion> Yeah.
[15:27] <michaelfavia> vs usb mass
[15:27] <michaelfavia> i havent messed with it yet since everything syncs over the air these days
[15:27] <michaelfavia> i plug in only for power :)
[15:29] <ent_> shakalakaboomboom
[15:33] <Belial`> is anyone else getting a purple dash and launcher color all of the sudden?
[15:34] <Belial`> it won't seem to change in ccsm settings. it will until you get out of ccsm, then it goes back to purple regardless of the settings.
[15:41] <GraemeLion> Dunno how I feel about the banshee thing
[15:44] <lolzer> hi all .. i cant see the language support option and my ubuntu12.04 has changed to chineeze language
[15:44] <lolzer> plz help
[15:45] <tehowe> ARGH desktop install disk should not just pick the second drive in your system for dual boot - it should ask if you want it on your windows drive OR on the second drive (0.02)
[15:47] <lolzer> can my problem be fixed or do i have to wait for the actual release??
[15:47] <lolzer> i have reinstalled Language Support
[15:48] <lolzer> but it doesnt showup in administration
[15:49] <lolzer> hi all .. i cant see the language support option and my ubuntu12.04 has changed to chineeze language
[15:49] <lolzer> i have reinstalled Language Support
[15:49] <lolzer> but it doesnt showup in administration
[15:54] <lolzer> hi all .. i cant see the language support option and my ubuntu12.04 has changed to chineeze language
[15:54] <lolzer> but it doesnt showup in administration
[15:54] <lolzer> i have reinstalled Language Support
[15:56] <lolzer> hi all .. i cant see the language support option and my ubuntu12.04 has changed to chineeze language
[15:56] <lolzer> but it doesnt showup in administration
[15:56] <lolzer> i have reinstalled Language Support
[16:02] <mblayman> michaelfavia, for your edification, my shutdown problem seems to be related to my nVidia driver. I uninstalled that and thing started to power down normally. Thanks for the assistance.
[16:03] <michaelfavia> mblayman, good to know. /me thinks abotu  azsolution
[16:31] <BlueClaw> I just installed 12.04. I have three monitors; how do I get them to stop mirroring  and display separate?
[16:31] <tehowe> BlueClaw - using amd/nvidia driver or regular MESA Ubuntu driver?
[16:32] <lolzer> hi all .. i cant see the language support option and my ubuntu12.04 has changed to chineeze language
[16:32] <lolzer> i have reinstalled Language Support
[16:32] <lolzer> but it doesnt showup in administration
[16:33] <BlueClaw> tehowe: amd drivers, but I cannot seem to get through the install process without an error occcurting (it is says they are installed, but I'm not so sure they are correctly working).
[16:33] <tehowe> In that case you need to type catalyst and do it from the catalyst control center (if it installed properly)
[16:34] <tehowe> That's Catalyst *administartive* because it will show two options
[16:35] <tehowe> Then you go into display options, pick the second screen, pick 'multi monitor display withmonitor 1' accept/save and then when you log out and log back into your desktop it should be one continuous screens
[16:36] <lolzer> tehowe can you help me out??
[16:36] <tehowe> I have no idea about that sorry
[16:37] <bazhang> lolzer, what language setting do you need as default
[16:38] <lolzer> english
[16:38] <lolzer> i had it but when i logged in again it changed
[16:38] <bazhang> lolzer, in system prefs language support? change the order there?
[16:40] <lolzer> bazhang that is the problem i hae no option .. but language support is installed
[16:40] <bazhang> lolzer, did you have ibus installed? and set it there, or hit the activation command for it accidentally perhaps?
[16:42] <lolzer> there is ibus installed but i dont remember doing anything with it
[16:43] <lolzer> how do i do it in there??
[16:44] <bazhang> you'd likely remember if you set it
[16:44] <bazhang> unless you need them, what about removing the zh/etc language packs
[16:45] <bazhang> it could well be a bug, what with ibus' history
[16:45] <lolzer> but how does ibus change language???
[16:46] <lolzer> there are no options in it
[16:46] <bazhang> changes the kb input
[16:48] <lolzer> there seems to be just 2 options in it and both are chineese
[16:49] <bazhang> lolzer, you do mean system input, right? not your whole OS goes from systemwide english to Chinese
[16:49] <lolzer> no the whole os .. even the menu is in chineese
[16:50] <bazhang> lolzer, what about selecting language at the login screen
[16:50] <lolzer> is there an option there at login??
[16:50] <lolzer> where do i find it?? i have changed to gnome from unity
[17:10] <bazhang> !schedule | me-1
[17:21] <nischayn22> Has heating problems on Sony Vaio laptops been fixed in this new version?
[17:22] <kklimonda> nischayn22: do you have a bug number?
[17:23] <jackie0> I'm trying to dualboot win7/ubuntu12.04 on a raid 0. Win7 is installed, I installed ubuntu, grub shows up on boot and loads win7 successfully. But I can't boot ubuntu because it doesn't find the root partition and drops into BusyBox. Fixes?
[17:23] <nischayn22> kklimonda: Nope, this problem has been there since a long time with Ubuntu and someone on #ubuntu told me it might have gotten fixed in this new version
[17:37] <pmjdebruijn> hi all
[17:37] <pmjdebruijn> when I close a particular application, compiz segfaults
[17:37] <pmjdebruijn> compiz[1977]: segfault at 50 ip 00007ff238603047 sp 00007fff56dc3458 error 4 in libcompiz_core.so.<IP_ADDRESS>[7ff2385b8000+af000]
[17:37] <pmjdebruijn> (from dmesg)
[17:38] <pmjdebruijn> this only happens when I close that one application (darktable)
[17:38] <Dr_willis> !info darktable
[17:38] <pmjdebruijn> that's the old version
[17:38] <Dr_willis> never heard of it.
[17:38] <pmjdebruijn> photography app
[17:38] <pmjdebruijn> but it seems odd for compiz to crash because of it
[17:39] <Dr_willis> check the bug reports. could allready be reported. could be its changeing modes back, or somthing and causing an issue
[17:39] <pmjdebruijn> mode? as in resolution... no
[17:44] <physically_fit> is there a command to reload, mostly *reinstall* all what i need to get my sound working again. in all these 4 years using ubuntu i never had a sound problem till today.
[17:45] <physically_fit> i've tried the solutions on the internet, but i still have no sound.
[17:45] <physically_fit> do i need to reinstall ubuntu again?
[17:45] <bazhang> doubtful
[17:45] <physically_fit> bazhang, are you talking to me?
[17:45] <bazhang> yep
[17:45] <Dr_willis> - all the fix's you have tried allready might be making things worse.
[17:45] <Logan_> !who | bazhang
[17:45] <pmjdebruijn> physically_fit: you haven't fold us your issues yet
[17:45] <bazhang> try a guest user
[17:45] <Dr_willis> but ive rarely had sound issues either.
[17:46] <Dr_willis> yea. a 'make a new user test' is always a good simple test.
[17:46] <bazhang> and without listing the things you've tried, hard to say what you have done
[17:47] <physically_fit> pmjdebruijn, i had flash version something.228 and then installed something.332 the newest and then tried to watch a youtube video and the sound was gone. but i just uptades the .so flash file. and then restarted, no sound, and tried the solutions on the internet.
[17:48] <physically_fit> no sound in flash or if i listen to an .mp3 alone
[17:48] <bazhang> which solutions
[17:48] <pmjdebruijn> physically_fit: upgrading your flash.so really can't break playing an audio file in totem for example
[17:49] <physically_fit> pmjdebruijn, exactly
[17:49] <physically_fit> bazhang, i purged alsa-base & pulseaudio and then reinstalled them
[17:50] <pmjdebruijn> are you using this isn't just some muted channel
[17:50] <physically_fit> i did an alsa force-reload
[17:51] <physically_fit> i also tried to use the alsa dev packages, installing alsa-hda-dkms, but no audio yet so i unistalled it and removed that source
[17:51] <pmjdebruijn> physically_fit: did you try a live cd to make sure it's not just a hardware issue?
[17:52] <ionut> I have a problem with usb mouse
[17:52] <ionut> mouse lag
[17:52] <physically_fit> pmjdebruijn, i don't understand what's the difference if i use a live cd?
[17:52] <ionut> I installed pure debian and mouse works fine
[17:52] <penguin42> ionut: Is this in a VM or on a real machine?
[17:53] <ionut> real
[17:53] <penguin42> hmm - never heard of mouse lag on a real machine!
[17:53] <ionut> on laptop
[17:53] <pmjdebruijn> physically_fit: it's garanteed to be a pristine environment
[17:53] <penguin42> ionut: What mouse?
[17:53] <pmjdebruijn> physically_fit: if you audio doesn't work there, it might be a hardware issue
[17:53] <ionut> someone told me to look at acpi
[17:53] <ionut> logitech m235
[17:53] <penguin42> ionut: Well no harm in looking, but I don't know ACPI has anything to do with either USB or mice
[17:54] <ionut> it works fine in 10:04 lts
[17:54] <physically_fit> pmjdebruijn, oh i see. will try that and also creating a new user. thanks. i'll be back later.
[17:54] <penguin42> ionut: any errors in dmesg?
[17:56] <Debolaz> Meh, yet another ubuntu release without keyboard layout for norwegian macintosh keyboards. :(
[17:57] <ionut> what's the command for dmseg listing?
[17:57] <ionut> dmesg*
[17:57] <penguin42> just type dmesg
[17:58] <jeremiah_> I am having problems using wifi and opening zip packages in ubuntu. wifi is not found and acts like it doesn't even know what wifi is. when i want to open a zip. for a minecraft world i always get this message http://pastebin.com/UFY0HCVR
[17:58] <jeremiah_> Not like that. it is in that
[18:01] <delac> wlan problem. Broadcom BCM4312, STA drivers from Additional Drivers. Works fine after installation, but gets disabled after reboot. Reinstalling renables it again. Hardware switch has no effect other than changing the "Soft blocked". Hard blocked is "no". Thoughts?
[18:03] <ionut> no errors: [   12.853068] generic-usb 0003:046D:C52F.0001: input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [Logitech USB Receiver] on usb-0000:00:12.0-2/input0
[18:03] <ionut> [   12.873780] generic-usb 0003:413C:8162.0004: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.11 Mouse [HID 413c:8162] on usb-0000:00:16.0-3.2/input0
[18:03] <penguin42> odd
[18:06] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I just noticed all my tomboy notes i had synced at the ubuntu one site are gone. ;(
[18:06] <Dr_willis> they phased that feature out some time back dident they.
[18:07] <trism> jeremiah_: that generally means the zip file is corrupted, or at least didn't finish downloading (since the directory is at the end)
[18:08] <jeremiah_> trism, it happens with all of them and it says it has fin. downloading.
[18:11] <trism> jeremiah_: maybe it isn't a zip file? what does: file TheMaze.zip; say?
[18:11] <jeremiah_> trism, like, before i click on it?
[18:11] <jeremiah_> TheMaze.zip
[18:12] <Dr_willis> command from terminal 'file TheMaze.zip'  and try  the cli unzip command. it may say its currupted.
[18:12] <Dr_willis> i think unzip has a -t for 'test' option.
[18:13] <bcuraboy> hi everyone.how can i manage my android through ubuntu 12.04?
[18:13] <Dr_willis> bcuraboy,  'manage' meaning what exactly?
[18:13] <jeremiah_> Dr_willis, TheMaze.zip: ERROR: cannot open `TheMaze.zip' (No such file or directory)
[18:13] <jeremiah_> was for the first line
[18:13] <bcuraboy> send and receive sms's,acessing my phonebook,
[18:14] <trism> jeremiah_: file ~/Downloads/TheMaze.zip;
[18:14] <Dr_willis> jeremiah_,  give it the full path to the file. :) i bet its not in the current directory
[18:14] <bcuraboy> the equipment is a Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo
[18:14] <Dr_willis> bcuraboy,  ive seen some tools on the market that can put your phones display in a 'window' on your desktop. :) never really done more then played with them.
[18:14] <jeremiah_> bash: /Downloads/TheMaze.zip: No such file or directory
[18:14] <trism> jeremiah_: you need the ~
[18:14] <Dr_willis> Time for bash basics lessons. :)
[18:14] <jeremiah_> it is in the downloads file...
[18:15] <bcuraboy> yes,i know what you mean.you're talking about airdroid
[18:15] <bcuraboy> but to do that i have to be in the same wireless network
[18:15] <trism> jeremiah_: also tab can help you complete it
[18:15] <bcuraboy> and in the moment i'm on my work
[18:15] <jeremiah_> trism,  DO I NEED THE ";"
[18:15] <trism> jeremiah_: no, but it doesn't hurt anything
[18:15] <jeremiah_> I HATE CAPSLOCK...
[18:16] <jeremiah_> it said it was denied
[18:16] <Dr_willis> a full path would be like  /home/yourusername/Desktop/TheFileName.zip   with proper case. :)     ~ is a shortcut for /home/yourusername/
[18:16] <Dr_willis> the TAB key helps fill in the proper paths.
[18:18] <jeremiah_> it isn't working.... i even made it exicutable and it said bad magic number
[18:19] <trism> jeremiah_: yes, then it probably is either corrupt or not a zip file (a standard one anyway)
[18:20] <jeremiah_> trism, any way to test it?
[18:20] <jeremiah_> i get it for all the zips i have downloaded so...
[18:21] <trism> jeremiah_: pastebin: xxd ~/Downloads/TheMaze.zip | head
[18:21] <jeremiah_> invalid file (bad magic number): Exec format error
[18:21] <Dr_willis> why would you make a .zip executable.. :)
[18:21] <jeremiah_> idono
[18:21] <Dr_willis> dont just try random stuff like that.
[18:21] <jeremiah_> whatever.
[18:22] <Dr_willis> unzip --help    should show a test option to try.
[18:22] <Dr_willis> and the file command should show its filetype
[18:22] <jeremiah_> how do i know which one?
[18:22] <Dr_willis> 'file foo.zip'
[18:22] <Dr_willis> and 'zip -t foo.zip'  (i think)
[18:22] <Dr_willis> not on ubuntu at the moment.
[18:24] <jeremiah_> not finding it....
[18:24] <Dr_willis> clarify what you mean.
[18:25] <jeremiah_> http://pastebin.com/jkt22YCt
[18:27] <jeremiah_> clarified?
[18:27] <trism> unzip -t file.zip; however I find it unlikely to work, it will just die like when you try to unzip it normally
[18:29] <delac> wlan problem. Broadcom BCM4312, STA drivers from Additional Drivers. Works fine right after installation, but gets disabled after reboot. Anyone?
[18:35] <nasa01> Hi, this question may not be precise unique - but that's what I am working on, so...  I am compiling/packaging libraries from svn for libraries that are in precise.  I am able to compile and package without any obvious issues.
[18:36] <nasa01> However, when I try an install the library - it fails due to missing dependencies.  Which usually is easy to solve, except in this case it's for a library I don't have in my control files
[18:36] <jeremiah_> Dr_willis, http://pastebin.com/jkt22YCt
[18:37] <nasa01> I've searched and am positive I don't have it anywhere.  But the precise version does...  Is it possible that the two are getting *mixed* togather?
[18:37] <nasa01> And if so, how do I fix/avoid?
[18:42] <Dr_willis> jeremiah_,  mentions a   -t option there.      so    unzip -t filetotest.zip    would test it.
[18:45] <BlueClaw> After using Catalyst (AMD) I was able to get my three monitors to all appear (in 12.04) but the other two monitors are just blank white screens that seem very buggy. Does anyone have any experience with this type of thing?
[18:46] <BlueClaw> Im not sure where to go from here to get the other monitors in a working state.
[18:46] <Dr_willis> AMD/Catalyst buggy = seen that befor.   no idea on any specific fix's .  i only have one amd  video card based machine these days
[18:47] <Dr_willis> gnome-shell and amd's drivers had issues for me in the past also. Unity worked.
[18:47] <Dr_willis> but ive never tried multi monitor with amd - in ages.
[18:48] <penguin42> BlueClaw: Out of interest, what do you get on the open driver?
[18:49] <BlueClaw> penguin42: how can I check that?
[18:49] <penguin42> BlueClaw: How did you install Catalyst?
[18:51] <BlueClaw> After the fresh install (12.04) I clicked on the driver icon on the main toolbar near the mail icon. I installed one of the two available drivers. I think it might have come with that? I don't believe I installed it alone. It must have come with something else I installed?
[18:51] <penguin42> BlueClaw: Well, if you go to system-administration additional drivers and remove the AMD driver it should give you the standard open driver - it's worth a try - what card do you have?
[18:53] <BlueClaw> I only see two available drivers. Both are proprietary.
[18:53] <penguin42> BlueClaw: Which card do you have?
[18:53] <BlueClaw> How do I see?
[18:54] <penguin42> hmm, I thought it told you there - erm if you open a terminal and do   lspci |grep -i vga  and tell us the line it gives you
[18:54] <BlueClaw> penguin42: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cayman PRO [Radeon HD 6950]
[18:55] <sanjeev_sh> can i upgrade to ubuntu final release from ubuntu beta 2
[18:55] <sanjeev_sh> ?
[18:56] <trism> sanjeev_sh: yes
[18:56] <penguin42> hmm, I'm not sure if that's supported by the open driver - it lists 6800 series, and it lists TURKS and CAICOS, oh and CAYMAN - so I guess it's got a chance
[18:56] <BlueClaw> penguin42: how would I go about testing to see if that chance was a confirmation?
[18:57] <penguin42> BlueClaw: I can't remember from the GUI, if you do   jockey-text -l  and it lists the drivers, you should be able to disable the driver you have with   jockey-text -d drivername
[18:57] <penguin42> (Goes to watch some TV)
[18:58] <BlueClaw> penguin42: xorg:fglrx_updates - ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (post-release updates) (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use)
[18:58] <BlueClaw> xorg:fglrx - ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (Proprietary, Enabled, In use)
[18:58] <BlueClaw> So. should I try to disable both?
[19:03] <penguin42> BlueClaw: OK, two things - one try selecting the xorg:fglrx_updates - that's newer, see if that works, if that doesn't work then try disabling which ever one still says enabled
[19:03]  * penguin42 really going to watch some TV - back in a while
[19:09] <Debolaz> What would be the approach to get a keyboard layout added to ubuntu?
[19:10] <kkrzysiekk> do you have repo for ubuntu 12.04 ???
[19:12] <Dr_willis> kkrzysiekk,  'the repo' for what exactly?
[19:15] <bcuraboy> how can i navigate through terminal to a SD card?
[19:15] <bcuraboy> what would be the path?
[19:16] <jtaylor> bcuraboy: normally /media/
[19:16] <bcuraboy> let me check that
[19:16] <astraljava> bcuraboy: Check /var/log/syslog for details on where it was auto-mounted, unless you can't find it otherwise.
[19:17] <bcuraboy> when i try that command it says that i don't have permission for that,and when i try it being root it says command not find
[19:17] <Dr_willis> mount command may shows its mountpoint also.
[19:18] <jtaylor> bcuraboy: that was the folder its likely in, not the command
[19:18] <jtaylor> do ls /media to see whats in there
[19:18] <bcuraboy> PENDRIVE  PHONE-CARD
[19:19] <jtaylor> one of those is your sd card
[19:19] <jtaylor> probably pendrive
[19:19] <bcuraboy> so the command would be cd /media/PHONE-CARD ??
[19:19] <jtaylor> yes
[19:20] <Dr_willis> bash basics. :) yes.
[19:20] <bcuraboy> yes
[19:20] <bcuraboy> i'mlearning something...few,but something :D
[19:20] <kkrzysiekk> dr_willis unofficial
[19:21] <bcuraboy> the command mkfile will make a new file,is that?
[19:21] <jtaylor> no
[19:21] <Dr_willis> cant recall ever using 'mkfile' .... :)
[19:21] <Dr_willis> what are you trying to do exactly?
[19:21] <jtaylor> touch will, if it does not exist
[19:21] <bcuraboy> or what's the right command to make a new blank file with the name is_audio_player ??
[19:22] <Dr_willis> touch is_audo_player
[19:22] <Dr_willis> echo "" > is_audio_player
[19:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[19:22] <Dr_willis> proberly a dozen other ways...
[19:22] <bcuraboy> which one? :D
[19:22] <bcuraboy> the touch one will do it,right? :D
[19:22] <Dr_willis> i can thinkof like 8 other ways   right now..
 touch will, if it does not exist
[19:23] <bcuraboy> and to eliminate one?
[19:24] <bcuraboy> rmv ??
[19:24] <jtaylor> rm file
[19:24] <bcuraboy> ok
[19:24] <jtaylor> no questions ask
[19:24] <jtaylor> rm -i file is saver
[19:25] <jtaylor> though that may even be default in ubuntu?
[19:25] <Dr_willis> !find rmv
[19:25] <bcuraboy> thank's guys
[19:25] <Dr_willis> !bash
[19:26] <kpow> jtaylor, no no, "mkdir /my_safe_trash; mv FILE /my_safe_trash; echo 'File is now in trash!'";
[19:26] <Dr_willis> its worth while spending an hr reading some shell basics. :)
[19:26] <jtaylor> kpow: apt-get install trash-cli :)
[19:27] <kpow> jtaylor, ;p
[19:27] <bcuraboy> that was just what i've been looking for
[19:29] <BryGuy71Z> hello i have a small problem after updating precise
[19:29] <BryGuy71Z> i think its the same problem i had in 11.10 also
[19:29] <BryGuy71Z> http://pastebin.com/1JWKbJSZ
[19:30] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: that ppa does not offer packages for precise
[19:30] <BryGuy71Z> so how do i get rid of it?
[19:30] <jtaylor> simply ignore it or remove it
[19:31] <BryGuy71Z> do i have to go into software sources to remove it then?
[19:31] <jtaylor> apt-add-repository -r ppa:unity-team/hud
[19:31] <jtaylor> software sources should work too
[19:31] <physically_fit> hey! i solved my sound problems. i logged in with the Guest account and i had sound there (no hardware problem then). then i read more on the internet, and it advised to delete my .pulse folder in my home (Admin). and then tada! :)
[19:32] <physically_fit> i hope you liked my story.
[19:33] <BryGuy71Z> maybe you can give me some insight with this problem?
[19:33] <BryGuy71Z> http://pastebin.com/Fipft3va
[19:33] <BryGuy71Z> and thanks for the last one, its fixed now
[19:34] <BryGuy71Z> im thinking this new one has something to do with beta issues
[19:35] <jtaylor> can you paste ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[19:36] <BryGuy71Z> http://pastebin.com/Fipft3va
[19:37] <BryGuy71Z> ooops
[19:38] <jtaylor> pastebinit is a useful tool
[19:39] <BryGuy71Z> http://pastebin.com/URidnUg5
[19:39] <BryGuy71Z> there you go
[19:39] <BryGuy71Z> thanks again
[19:39] <jtaylor> :O lots of stuff
[19:39] <BryGuy71Z> LOL
[19:39] <jtaylor> one of those could cause the issue
[19:39] <jtaylor> but I don't see which one
[19:39] <BryGuy71Z> haha
[19:40] <BryGuy71Z> theres one that still says oneric in it
[19:40] <BryGuy71Z> i want to remove #s 37,38,39
[19:41] <BryGuy71Z> and ANY other screenlets for that matter. Ive had the most impossible time tryign to remove them. They never actually uninstall
[19:44] <BryGuy71Z> im using Kubuntu atm too btw if that matters any
[19:44] <BryGuy71Z> im kinda done with gnome/unity right now
[19:51] <di3gopa> Hello guys! i am using ubuntu 12.04 right now, but i can't find a way to make the icons smaller than 32x32 px, anyone knows how can i change this minimun value?
[19:52] <kpow> is there a meta package for all latex utils?
[19:52] <BryGuy71Z> http://pastebin.com/URidnUg5
[19:52] <BryGuy71Z> i think jtaylor was helping me with this problem
[20:02] <trism> kpow: there is texlive-full, although it is huge, you can probably get by with just texlive-latex-extra
[20:03] <kpow> trism, ty found it in dselect and its only 1gb d/l and 1.7gb unpacked...
[20:04] <kpow> i think office is smaller
[20:27] <physically_fit> is this a 12.04 thing? or i never noticed it before? it adds my headphones as an sound output device when i plug them in.
[20:30] <penguin42> conventional headphones or USB thing?
[20:31] <BryGuy71Z> jtaylor, you still around bud?
[20:31] <jtaylor> yes
[20:32] <BryGuy71Z> sorry i bailed earlier
[20:32] <physically_fit> penguin42, conventional
[20:32] <BryGuy71Z> not sure if you were still in the process of helping me or not
[20:32] <jtaylor> I can only say look through all those files for one that might want to load from that url
[20:33] <BryGuy71Z> ok cool
[20:33] <BryGuy71Z> i want to get that pastebin it
[20:33] <BryGuy71Z> but its in a tar file
[20:33] <BryGuy71Z> i dont know how to run it/extract it properly
[20:33] <jtaylor> apt-get install pastebinit
[20:34] <BryGuy71Z> oh lol duh
[20:34] <BryGuy71Z> why do i always have to type sudo first?
[20:35] <jtaylor> installing packages is an administrator job
[20:35] <BryGuy71Z> can i make it so i always have gthe super user status?
[20:35] <BryGuy71Z> well this is my computer
[20:35] <jtaylor> you could, but its not recommended
[20:35] <BryGuy71Z> and i installed this OS
[20:35] <BryGuy71Z> oh ok
[20:37] <BryGuy71Z> http://pastebin.com/XhKU89Ew
[20:37] <BryGuy71Z> what the hell does this mean?
[20:37] <BryGuy71Z> is it already installed?
[20:37] <BryGuy71Z> cuz i cant find it when i search for it in my applications
[20:37] <jtaylor> you have renamed stuff in sources.list.d
[20:38] <jtaylor> you should not do that
[20:38] <BryGuy71Z> i dont know how i did
[20:38] <jtaylor> getdeb.list.bck
[20:38] <jtaylor> but the error is a different one
[20:39] <jtaylor> let me check if its reproducable
[20:39] <BryGuy71Z> ok
[20:41] <BryGuy71Z> nam myoho renge kyo
[20:44] <martman> i just installed 12.04, gnome panel and rebooted. no i cant move or resize any of my windows
[20:44] <martman> i only see the menu bar
[20:44] <martman> no title bars
[20:44] <martman> anyone know how to get around this?
[20:49] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: works here, can you put set -x in the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/openvas-server.postinst and do apt-get install -f
[20:50] <delac> wlan problem. Broadcom BCM4312, STA drivers from Additional Drivers. Works fine right after installation, but gets disabled after reboot. Anyone?
[20:50] <kpow> whats the binary name for default pdf reader to run from cli?
[20:50] <jtaylor> kpow: evince probably
[20:51] <martman> ...no ideas?
[20:51] <kpow> jtaylor, thanks
[20:55] <tomodachi> kpow: gnome-open ?
[20:55] <tomodachi> it should open the pdf with the default pdf reader
[20:55] <tomodachi> but like jtaylor sas in 10.06 its evince
[20:56] <al_o> Hi someone know about btrfs support in precise? Is suitable for production use?
[20:56] <al_o> Hi someone knows about btrfs support in precise? Is suitable for production use?
[20:56] <BryGuy71Z> wait
[20:56] <BryGuy71Z> jtaylor,
[20:57] <BryGuy71Z> how do i get there? in sources list?
[20:58] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: sudo sed -e "2iset -x" /var/lib/dpkg/info/openvas-server.postinst
[20:59] <BryGuy71Z> # We don't let dh_installinit touch this so we do it byhand
[20:59] <BryGuy71Z> update-rc.d openvas-server  stop 20 0 6 . >/dev/null
[21:00] <BryGuy71Z> says that at the end
[21:00] <yofel> al_o: btrfs works ok with kernel 3.2, but it's by far not bug-free. I use it myself, but with regular backups as I don't quite trust it yet, and the system integration isn't that good yet
[21:00] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: sorry: sudo sed -i -e "2iset -x" /var/lib/dpkg/info/openvas-server.postinst
[21:01] <yofel> + btrfs-tools in ubuntu is quite outdated, so if you need them get a newer git snapshot from somewhere
[21:01] <Will123456> if you read the btrfs mailing lists, they'd probably regard 3.2 as stone age tech
[21:01] <lichtblau> Hi there.  Some time ago I (rather naively) upgraded from oneiric to precise (simply using dist-upgrade or safe-upgrade or something like that).  Now I noticed that I can't figure out how to use multiarch.
[21:02] <lichtblau> Am I simply doing it wrong?  Is there newbie-safe multiarch usage documentation somewhere?  Or could there be something with my precise installation that's messed up?
[21:02] <BryGuy71Z> bryan@bryan-Compaq-Presario-C700-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo sed -i -e "2iset -x" bryan@bryan-Compaq-Presario-C700-Notebook-PC:~$
[21:02] <yofel> Will123456: yeah, agreed, but that's all we can get right now
[21:02] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: now apt-get install -f and pastebin the output
[21:03] <jtaylor> lichtblau: for what do you need multiarch?
[21:03] <jtaylor> lichtblau: in most cases is as simple as apt-get install package:arch
[21:03] <lichtblau> jtaylor: Basically I'm looking for the new way to do aptitude install ia32-libs, and I was hoping that aptitude install <package>:i386 would work, but it doesn't find any such packages ever.
[21:04] <jtaylor> lichtblau: everything in ia32-libs should be multiarched
[21:04] <yofel> lichtblau: seriously, don't use aptitude for multiarch
[21:04] <BryGuy71Z> http://pastebin.com/cDaeKD7x
[21:04] <jtaylor> lichtblau: just don't use aptitude
[21:04] <yofel> lichtblau: it understands :arch, but the dependency resolver doesn't work right
[21:06] <BryGuy71Z> i still have issues when i run the regular update manager as well... i think its all related to the same issues as when i run apt-get update in terminal
[21:07] <delac> can anyone tell me where does ubuntu/jockey put the information wich kernel modules are loaded and which are blacklisted?
[21:07] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: I don't see whats wrong, do you need that package?
[21:08] <al_o> yofel: i'm thinking about setup an open stack platform with a ceph backend, so i'm looking to btrfs...
[21:08] <BryGuy71Z> which package?
[21:08] <BryGuy71Z> jtaylor,
[21:08] <yofel> delac: you get the loaded modules from 'lsmod', the blacklisting information is in /etc/modprobe.d/ - but I'm not sure if that's what jockey uses
[21:08] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: openvas-server
[21:08] <al_o> with the last upgrade ceph give some trouble with XFS
[21:08] <BryGuy71Z> i have no idea what it is
[21:08] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: then remove it
[21:09] <BryGuy71Z> it seems like a stock ubuntu thing
[21:09] <jtaylor> its nothing you usually install
[21:09] <BryGuy71Z> how to remove
[21:09] <jtaylor> definetly nothing default
[21:09] <BryGuy71Z> i c ant find sources list in kubuntu
[21:09] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: sudo apt-get install autoremove openvas-server
[21:09] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: sudo apt-get autoremove openvas-server
[21:10] <BryGuy71Z> oh its for nessus\
[21:11] <delac> yofel: for some reason jockey is not able to make wl load on boot and blacklist-bcm43.conf doesn't seem to have effect (modules there are loaded)
[21:12] <yofel> no idea, sorry
[21:12] <BryGuy71Z> thanks jtaylor
[21:12] <BryGuy71Z> i just started using ubuntu again a couple months again
[21:12] <BryGuy71Z> i always get myself into something liek this lol
[21:12] <yofel> al_o: I can't really help there, maybe #btrfs can give you more advice, but I'm not sure if they'll tell you someting other than "use at your own risk"
[21:13] <lichtblau> jtaylor: hmm, so apt-get should work better than aptitude for this purpose?  I'm not seeing a difference here.  Do I have to teach apt about the other architecture first?
[21:13] <BryGuy71Z> i know this is probably a bit annoying but, how do i fix this issue?
[21:13] <jtaylor> lichtblau: in ubuntu, no
[21:13] <lichtblau> /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch lists "foreign-architecture i386" -- is that enough for the whole system to do the right thing?
[21:13] <BryGuy71Z> im learning/remembering a lot now
[21:13] <BryGuy71Z> http://pastebin.com/uj7c8FHw
[21:13] <jtaylor> lichtblau: yes, you manage it with dpkg, e.g. dpkg --add-architecture ...
[21:14] <jtaylor> (though I'm not sure if ubuntu's dpkg understands that yet)
[21:14] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: you're on kubuntu?
[21:14] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: more outdated ppas
[21:14] <jtaylor> BryGuy71Z: you should clean that mess up
[21:14] <jtaylor> ppa's should be avoided if possible, they are insecure and prone to cause issues
[21:16] <al_o>  yofel : tnx! i'll try :)
[21:17] <BryGuy71Z> i am on kubuntu 12.04 yofel
[21:17] <BryGuy71Z> and any quick way to clean this mess up jtaylor ?
[21:18] <lichtblau> no, the dpkg I have here doesn't like --add-architecture.  The manpage lists a --foreign-architecture option, but I couldn't figure out how that works (if at all).
[21:18] <BryGuy71Z> i dont wanna keep bugging you but, its annoying to see errors
[21:18] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: in muon software center -> settings -> configure software sources
[21:18] <jtaylor> lichtblau: then ubuntus dpkg is to old, but that will be the interface in future
[21:18] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: there go to other sofware, find that ppa and disable it
[21:18] <BryGuy71Z> muon?
[21:18] <jtaylor> lichtblau: you have to edit the config in ubuntu then
[21:18] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: Kmenu -> computer -> muon software center
[21:19] <BryGuy71Z> its called ubuntu software center
[21:19] <BryGuy71Z> there is no muon anywhere under the kmenu
[21:20] <BryGuy71Z> but im running the ubuntu software center
[21:22] <lichtblau> jtaylor: sorry that I'm being dense here, but... which config?  how?
[21:22] <jtaylor>  /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[21:22] <BryGuy71Z> yofel, its not letting me uncheck, or remove the two source ppa's
[21:22] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: kubuntu doesn't have the ubuntu software center, unless you installed it yourself
[21:22] <BryGuy71Z> well it does here and theres no muon
[21:22] <lichtblau> jtaylor: is the line I mentioned above not sufficient then?
[21:22] <BryGuy71Z> ive looked everywhere for muon
[21:23] <yofel> well, you need to open software-properties-kde or -gtk
[21:23] <BryGuy71Z> i just started using kubuntu/kde yesterday
[21:23] <yofel> ah, you installed ubuntu and installed kde?
[21:23] <BryGuy71Z> yes
[21:23] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: press alt+f2, and run: kdesudo software-properties-kde
[21:24] <lichtblau> I'm confused that "apt-get update" actually downloads both amd64 and i386 stuff, but then I can't find any package for which "apt-get install foo:i386" would find it.
[21:24] <BryGuy71Z> i thought kde is just another DE that comes with ubuntu
[21:24] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: right, but the default applications differ a bit between kubuntu and ubuntu
[21:24] <yofel> you won't need muon if you have the ubuntu software center
[21:24] <jtaylor> lichtblau: an example package it doesn't find?
[21:25] <BryGuy71Z> alt f2 brought up this weird search thing
[21:25] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: put "kdesudo software-properties-kde" in there and press enter
[21:26] <BryGuy71Z> i dod, didnt do anything
[21:26] <BryGuy71Z> so i ran it in terminal
[21:26] <BryGuy71Z> it told me to sudo apt-get install kdesudo
[21:26] <BryGuy71Z> so i did that
[21:26] <yofel> nvm
[21:26] <yofel> can you edit the software sources from the ubuntu software center?
[21:27] <BryGuy71Z> it brings up the sources and all
[21:27] <BryGuy71Z> but it doesnt let me uncheck anything, or when i click the remove option it just doesnt do anythign
[21:27] <BryGuy71Z> but it doesnt let me uncheck anything, or when i click the remove option it just doesnt do anythign
[21:27] <yofel> hm, I guess the behaviour of the gtk UI changed since I last used it...
[21:28] <lichtblau> jtaylor: I'm trying things like: apt-get install libncurses5:i386
[21:28] <BryGuy71Z> ok its letting me do kdesudo
[21:28] <jtaylor> lichtblau: and that does what?
[21:28] <BryGuy71Z> ok i ran the kdesudo software-properties-kde
[21:29] <BryGuy71Z> asked me for a password on a seperate pop-up screen, i entered the password, then the window disappeared, nothign else happened
[21:29] <yofel> you probably don't have software-properties-kde installed
[21:30] <BryGuy71Z> ok i will nstall it
[21:30] <BryGuy71Z> installing now..,.
[21:30] <lichtblau> jtaylor: E: Package 'libncurses5:i386' has no installation candidate
[21:32] <BryGuy71Z> installing muon
[21:32] <jtaylor> weird
[21:32] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: you won't need muon
[21:32] <BryGuy71Z> oh
[21:32] <BryGuy71Z> oh well
[21:32] <BryGuy71Z> it still wont open the software sources form kde
[21:32] <jtaylor> not sure whats going wrong there
[21:32] <BryGuy71Z> kdesudo software-properties-kde
[21:32] <BryGuy71Z> still does the same thing
[21:33] <BryGuy71Z> is there a better way to use kubuntu/kde with 12.04?
[21:33] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: how did you install it?
[21:33] <BryGuy71Z> i am starting to like the style better than unity/gnome
[21:34] <BryGuy71Z> sudo apt-get install software-properties-kde
[21:34] <yofel> no, I meant kde
[21:34] <BryGuy71Z> i just logged out of ubuntu one day, and it had the option of kde plasma
[21:34] <BryGuy71Z> so i entered that
[21:35] <lichtblau> OK... thanks for your help so far.  I suppose I can just install a 32 bit chroot.
[21:35] <yofel> o.O
[21:35] <BryGuy71Z> went back and forth for a while, then decided to stay here for a while
[21:35] <lichtblau> Or a 64 bit multiarch debian chroot for that matter. :-)
[21:35] <yofel> install kubuntu-desktop if you want the complete kubuntu setup
[21:35] <BryGuy71Z> ok
[21:35] <BryGuy71Z> installing
[21:36] <BryGuy71Z> will i need to log out and log into kubuntu after this?
[21:36] <jtaylor> lichtblau: what happens if you install ia32-libs?
[21:36] <yofel> if you're already running kde, nope
[21:36] <atpa8a> hmm
[21:36] <atpa8a> hello
[21:37] <atpa8a> which one of smartd/smartmontools should be started?..
[21:38] <BryGuy71Z> ok cool thanks, so far, yofel
[21:38] <lichtblau> There's no ia32-libs either (not since I upgraded from oneiric, that is).
[21:38] <BryGuy71Z> should i run upgrade or update after this yofel ?
[21:39] <jtaylor> lichtblau: and ia32-libs-multiarch?
[21:39] <jtaylor> both should exist :/
[21:39] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: shouldn't be necessary, although you'll want to update frequently if you're running 12.04 until release
[21:39] <lichtblau> no packages with ia32 in the name.
[21:39] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: can you open the software properties now?
[21:40] <BryGuy71Z> ya i do update daily
[21:40] <BryGuy71Z> its still installing kubuntu-desktop
[21:40] <jtaylor> lichtblau: strage, they must be there: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs
[21:41] <delac> if I rmmod ssb and modprobe wl, the wlan comes up. But I need to do that after every reboot. blacklist-bcm43.conf does have ssb but still it loads every on reboot. Putting wl in /etc/modules does not help. HELP!
[21:42] <BryGuy71Z> almost done i think...
[21:46] <BryGuy71Z> yofel do u use kubuntu or unity?
[21:46] <yofel> kubuntu
[21:47] <BryGuy71Z> ok
[21:47] <BryGuy71Z> hwo do i open the software sources again
[21:47] <yofel> well, gui way: kmenu>computer>muon software center
[21:47] <yofel> there: settings>configure software sources
[21:48] <BryGuy71Z> muon still doesnt exist lol
[21:48] <yofel> meh, something in the defaults didn't get updated I guess
[21:48] <mkultra_> i have a major problem with my video, its a GeForce Go 6150
[21:49] <mkultra_> i cant find drivers on nvidias site for it lol
[21:49] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: can you log out after all?
[21:49] <BryGuy71Z> ya, should i reboot altogether?
[21:49] <yofel> shouldn't  be needed
[21:49] <BryGuy71Z> ok
[21:49] <BryGuy71Z> brb
[21:53] <BryGuy71Z> ok yofel
[21:54] <BryGuy71Z> muon is now there
[21:56] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: can you open the sources now?
[21:58] <BryGuy71Z> yes
[21:58] <BryGuy71Z> im loooking to find those 2 culprits now
[21:58] <yofel> yay
[21:59] <BryGuy71Z> ok unchecked, AND removed those 2 ppas
[22:00] <BryGuy71Z> going to run update and see if there are still errors
[22:00] <BryGuy71Z> hopefully kubuntu will work better now that it is all the way installed properly lol
[22:00] <BryGuy71Z> thanks for oyu hard work and assistance yofel
[22:01] <yofel> you're welcome
[22:02] <BryGuy71Z> ok
[22:02] <BryGuy71Z> yofel
[22:02] <BryGuy71Z> looks much much better now
[22:02] <BryGuy71Z> still has this other really small problem
[22:02] <BryGuy71Z> Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com natty-backports/universe Translation-en
[22:02] <BryGuy71Z> Fetched 12.5 MB in 26s (465 kB/s)
[22:02] <BryGuy71Z> Reading package lists... Done
[22:02] <BryGuy71Z> N: Ignoring file 'getdeb.list.bck' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[22:02] <BryGuy71Z> bryan@bryan-Compaq-Presario-C700-Notebook-PC:~$
[22:04] <bjsnider> you can remove that file
[22:04] <bjsnider> if you want to getdeb repo back you can add it later
[22:04] <BryGuy71Z> yofel , it also opens my home folder when kubuntu starts up, why does it do that?
[22:04] <BryGuy71Z> what is getdeb?
[22:04] <BryGuy71Z> and how to remove it?
[22:06] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: just delete /etc/apt/sources.list.d/getdeb.list.bck
[22:06] <BryGuy71Z> should i run that in terminal?
[22:06] <BryGuy71Z> delete....
[22:06] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: and how does it start the home folder?
[22:06] <yofel> BryGuy71Z: well, in terminal: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/getdeb.list.bck
[22:07] <BryGuy71Z> when i log in, the first thing that happens is the "Home" folder opens automatically
[22:07] <yofel> in the file manager?
[22:07] <BryGuy71Z> yua
[22:07] <BryGuy71Z> ya
[22:07] <BryGuy71Z> like the window with the home folder opens
[22:08] <yofel> press ctrl+esc, and see if you have nautilus running
[22:08] <yofel> if yes, kill it
[22:09] <BryGuy71Z> ended process nautilus
[22:09] <BryGuy71Z> i thought nautilus was good
[22:09] <yofel> well yeah, but it has the annoying behaviour of running in the background. so the KDE session restore will start it at login
[22:09] <yofel> hm
[22:10] <yofel> you can prevent that actually
[22:10] <yofel> open kmenu> system settings
[22:10] <BryGuy71Z> is this going to prevent the home folder from opening
[22:10] <BryGuy71Z> ok
[22:10] <yofel> there go to startup and shutdown > session management
[22:11] <BryGuy71Z> ok
[22:11] <yofel> and add nautilus to the applications to be excluded from sessions
[22:11] <yofel> press apply and it shouldn't start anymore at login
[22:11] <yofel> ... I think
[22:12] <BryGuy71Z> i dont see an exclusion list
[22:12] <BryGuy71Z> only autostart
[22:12] <BryGuy71Z> and i took everythign off that
[22:13] <BryGuy71Z> i found it
[22:13] <yofel> k
[22:13] <BryGuy71Z> i typed in nautilus to be excluded from statrt up
[22:13] <yofel> I think that should work
[22:13] <BryGuy71Z> cool cool
[22:13] <BryGuy71Z> i just solved like 3 more problems in the process of doing that
[22:13] <BryGuy71Z> thnaks
[22:14] <BryGuy71Z> thanks
[22:14] <BryGuy71Z> nice
[22:14] <BryGuy71Z> now update has 0 errors
[22:15] <BryGuy71Z> recommend anything to download or install in kubuntu?
[22:23] <vatueil> hi, i changed the notification sound in the sound settings but the change doesn't take effect, even restarting the app doesn't help. i need to logout and log in again.
[22:23] <vatueil> that can't be right?
[22:43] <rymate1234> hey
[22:43] <rymate1234> I jsut installed the latest ubuntu daily build
[22:44] <rymate1234> keyboard doesn't seem to work on the grub boot screen
[22:48] <Kiryx> is this a good place to just describe a bug ?
[22:49] <Kiryx> or should i go to launchpad
[22:51] <rymate1234> hmm
[22:51] <rymate1234> my keyboard bug appears to be a one time issue
[22:54] <Kiryx> I have trouble getting some windows to appear in beta2
[22:54] <Kiryx> that is
[22:54] <Kiryx> I launch pidgin
[22:55] <Kiryx> yet I can't make it appear, after several Alt-tabbings of "Show Desktop" and selecting pidgin from different panels it appears
[22:56] <BryGuy71Z> just wait 12 more days lol
[22:56] <BryGuy71Z> or try logging out
[22:57] <Kiryx> Yeah, I know it's probably some minor stuff, I know it will sort itself out after few patches
[22:58] <Kiryx> I'm just letting you know about it
[22:58] <atpa8a> wasn't it pushed a week?
[23:02] <BryGuy71Z> the website still says 12 days remaining
[23:02] <BryGuy71Z> i dotn know
[23:02] <BryGuy71Z> im a total noob too lol... but thats what the official 12.04 website says
[23:04] <ssfdre38> hey im trying to get debootstrap going on my system and i keep on getting mounted with noexec or nodev, how can i get that fixed
[23:05] <penguin42> debootstrap is fun
[23:05] <penguin42> ssfdre38: What is mounted noexec/nodev?
[23:05] <ssfdre38> dont know
[23:06] <ssfdre38> i have a empty HDD i just formatted to use for my chroot
[23:06] <penguin42> how did you format it - is it an internal disc?
[23:06] <ssfdre38> i used disk utility and yea its internal
[23:07] <penguin42> and how did you mount it/
[23:07] <ssfdre38> i had the system mount it
[23:07] <penguin42> how?
[23:07] <ssfdre38> disk utility
[23:08] <penguin42> hmm - I suspect, but don't know for sure, that when it mounts it, it might do it as you rather than the priveliged user, and being a normal non-trusted user it might mount it nodev, noexec
[23:08] <penguin42> ssfdre38: You can always use sudo mount -o remount,exec,dev  /whereever
[23:10] <ssfdre38> that work thanks
[23:15] <penguin42> ssfdre38: You might want to add it to your /etc/fstab to get it to automatically mount at boot with the perms you require
[23:16] <ssfdre38> yea i will do that once its done downloading the packages to the chroot
[23:16] <penguin42> do you intend to make that drive bootable or just work in the chroot?
[23:17] <ssfdre38> just work in the chroot
[23:17] <penguin42> ok; making it bootable is a bit more interesting
[23:17] <ssfdre38> what i do want to set up is a dual-boot of Arch and Ubuntu but that is a different problem that i will deal with later
[23:22] <ssfdre38> how can i find the UUID for the drive i want to use so i can edit the right drive
[23:27] <penguin42> blkid