[00:58] <tnkhanh> mparillo: thtanks, I did it
[00:58] <tnkhanh> mparillo: some weird bugs appear but I solved it now
[01:00] <tnkhanh> mparillo: I had to install from the GUI, from the bash shell it will fail
[01:02] <mparillo> tnkhanh: In that case, you might want to add your answer to askubuntu.com so the next person has it easier. I would hold off updating the help wiki until you are certain your approach works and the bash shell fails.
[01:03] <mparillo> After all, one more answer is good, but deleting something from a wiki is a bigger step, because it might work for most, just not for you, and if you are not sure of yourself, that would be a shame.
[01:04] <tnkhanh> mparillo: hm I'm not so sure. Maybe its some other bug. This is just what I remember
[01:07] <mparillo> I understand. Mis-information is worse than none at all. Just keep looking for little ways to pay the community back.
[01:29] <billv> Howdy;  I hope this is the right place for this question.  If not, please point me in the right direction.  Does anyone know what protocol/mechanism is used by apport for it's communication?  The manual user/passwd entry I use for email won't work for apport.  What I'm looking into, is doing a netcat wrapper, or something similar to get apport working.  Thanks.
[03:50] <anoop> After upgrading to vivid plasma 5, why some applications still show the oxygen style widgets
[03:50] <anoop> mainly the system settings app
[03:50] <anoop> the tabs and buttons are displayed in the oxygen widget style
[04:02] <Matsky> Can anyone help me, how i can start X without -nolisten tcp in kubuntu 15.04?) sddm display manager)
[07:10] <soee> good morning
[07:58] <mar11> hi
[07:59] <soee> good morning mar11
[08:00] <mar11> I want to know if there is a terminal code for knowing that ny notherboard and bios can support 64 bit os
[08:00] <mar11> my motherboard and bios
[08:01] <mar11> thanks man
[08:01] <hateball> mar11: "grep lm /proc/cpuinfo"
[08:01] <mar11> type in termianl
[08:01] <mar11> ?
[08:01] <hateball> yep
[08:02] <hateball> lm means long mode, which means the cpu is 64-bit capable
[08:03] <mar11> it says :flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow up extd_apicid pni cx16 lahf_lm extapic cr8_legacy 3dnowprefetch
[08:03] <mar11> what does it mean?
[08:05] <mar11> I know my cpu can support it but I want to know can my motherboard & bios suppot it
[08:05] <hateball> eh... if you're running the CPU, that in itself means the motherboard supports it
[08:05] <hateball> and it says lm there, so you're good to go
[08:06] <mar11> thanks man
[08:06] <hateball> mar11: is it an older cpu?
[08:06] <mar11> I want to install kubunu 64bit 14.04
[08:07] <mar11> I think it is blong to 4-5 years ago
[08:07] <hateball> "grep model /proc/cpuinfo"
[08:07] <hateball> it's likely fine
[08:08] <mar11> I want to know if I can backup my customis and software from 32 bir to 64 bir kde
[08:08] <mar11> bot
[08:08] <mar11> bit
[08:08] <mar11> can I?
[08:11] <soee> what you want to backup is your apps settings etc. theey will work fine for 64 bit when proper app version is isntalled
[08:11] <soee> those settings are simple files
[08:16] <mar11> no I want to complete backup all my software and kind of my icons that is downloaded so that I don't have to download and install then again in my new kubuntu
[08:18] <mar11> did I made it clear?
[08:19] <valorie> mar11: that sounds like a bad idea imo
[08:19] <valorie> very quick to install from the repos
[08:19] <valorie> and you'll have the correct version, with the correct underlying libs, etc.
[08:20] <mar11> why?why you say something like that?
[08:20] <valorie> what you need is a backup of your own personal data, and perhaps your settings if you have modified things a lot
[08:20] <valorie> otherwise, just your data
[08:21] <valorie> if you have custom icons, those too
[08:21] <valorie> applications install very quickly
[08:21] <mar11> Im in iran and the internet is very slow and sometimes it not conect at all
[08:21] <valorie> ah
[08:21] <valorie> :(
[08:21] <mar11> I nearly have no chose
[08:21] <valorie> you'll have 32-bit versions of applications
[08:21] <valorie> rather than 64
[08:22] <valorie> so what would be the point of installing 64-bit?
[08:22] <mar11> yes I think so after all ny os is a 32bir version
[08:22] <valorie> just stick with it -- I've tried identical installs one 64, one 32
[08:22] <valorie> and there was really no difference
[08:23] <hateball> That's.. really very usecase specific
[08:23] <valorie> I thought 64 would be newer, faster, snazzier
[08:23] <hateball> It is, provided you have the hardware
[08:23] <valorie> not so much
[08:23] <hateball> If you need to allocate more than 2GB for a process, you're going to have a bad time on 32-bit. And so on.
[08:23] <valorie> hateball: what would you advise mar11?
[08:24] <valorie> sure, building amarok was slower
[08:24] <mar11> so that you say it is no use to install 64 bit os?
[08:24] <valorie> but how many people do that?
[08:24] <hateball> If you have 4GB+ RAM, there's speed and security advantages to using 64-bit OS
[08:25] <hateball> But if it's hard to reinstall applications due to bandwidth concerns, well that's pretty much the dealbreaker
[08:28] <mar11> so if I want to use something like viber what should I do
[08:28] <mar11> ?
[08:29] <hateball> mar11: I doubt there's a single piece of software you use that does not have a 64-bit version
[08:29] <hateball> Even if there's software that only provides 32-bit binaries, you can install multi-arch libs to run 32-bit code as well
[08:30] <hateball> It's "only" a matter of installing it from the repos, but this of course means you need to have a connection to the internet
[08:30] <mar11> this the problam the viber app is 64 bit
[08:31] <hateball> Yes, you can't run 64-bit code on 32-bit OS. But the other way around works.
[08:31] <mar11> and I have 3GB ran
[08:31] <mar11> I aware of that
[08:31] <hateball> Yes, so 64-bit OS is the way to go. Backup your data in $HOME and reinstall.
[08:32] <mar11> and sounds like I must insatall kubuntu 32 bir
[08:32] <hateball> No, what makes it sound like that?
[08:32] <mar11> so how should I backup?
[08:32] <mar11> my ram is low
[08:32] <mar11> 3GB
[08:32] <hateball> 3GB is plenty
[08:32] <hateball> Even 2GB is fine
[08:33] <mar11> for 64bit?
[08:33] <mar11> sure?
[08:33] <hateball> The overhead of 64-bit is not really much to worry about
[08:33] <hateball> Yes, I run 64-bit on 1GB machines as well
[08:34] <mar11> is it really faster than 32 bit os?
[08:34] <hateball> For certain operations yes
[08:34] <hateball> That rely on those functions in the cpu
[08:34] <mar11> what?
[08:34] <hateball> For every day use, you probably wont notice it much
[08:35] <hateball> But you get the added benefit of security features like ASLR
[08:35] <mar11> so how should I back up my customize and apps?
[08:35] <hateball> Anyhow, if you have an external drive of some sort the easiest way is to just live-boot your machine and copy over what data you need from your $HOME to that drive
[08:36] <mar11> so that I won't needed to insatall from internet
[08:36] <hateball> If you have /home on a separate partition, you should only need to reinstall and not format /home
[08:36] <valorie> or just rsync it
[08:36] <hateball> mar11: There is no way to copy over installed 32-bit applications on your 32-bit OS to a new 64-bit install
[08:36] <hateball> No feasible way I should say... everything is possible
[08:37] <hateball> But that will end up causing more headache than it is worth
[08:37] <mar11> what should I do about my icons custom?
[08:37] <hateball> mar11: Where are those icons stored?
[08:37] <mar11> copy and paste just work?
[08:38] <mar11> 1 sec
[08:38] <hateball> Yes, everything that is just "data" can just be backuped and transfered to a new machine
[08:38] <hateball> Like documents, images, etc
[08:39] <mar11> and how can I install os without formating home partion?
[08:40] <mar11> they are in /usr/share
[08:40] <hateball> mar11: Do you have a separate partition for /home now?
[08:40] <mar11> yes
[08:40] <hateball> The installer will let you pick advanced options
[08:40] <hateball> There should be some guide somewhere....
[08:41] <mar11> do you have any link to I go and see myself?
[08:42] <hateball> mar11: this is an old image, but it looks pretty much the same http://laffers.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/snapshot3.png
[08:42] <hateball> So you tell the installer to mount say sda1 as / and it must format. Then you pick sda2 or wherever you have /home now as /home, and do NOT format
[08:43] <hateball> if you install with the same username etc as you have now, it should be just fine
[09:03] <hateball> mar11: Please ask your questions in channel so that others may help and learn
[09:04] <mar11> actully my /home is sda7 should I mark it as home partion again in installing process?
[09:04] <hateball> Yep, there should be a dropdown list what you want to mount it as
[09:05] <hateball> Just make very very sure you do not format /home... It is always good to have backups in any case
[09:05] <mar11> when I don't format home partion all my apps seting will be ther after new install
[09:05] <mar11> ?
[09:05] <mar11> even 32bit apps?
[09:06] <hateball> mar11: And if you had custom data in /usr, that will get wiped when you reinstall and format /, so you need to copy that somewhere like your /home
[09:06] <hateball> mar11: Yes, all settings are saved in your /home
[09:06] <hateball> If you run some system services like say... apache, there may be configurations saved in /etc
[09:06] <hateball> So you will need to backup those as well
[09:06] <mar11> what about the apps I must install again?
[09:06] <hateball> But the actual 32-bit applications, those will be wiped and needed to reinstall
[09:06] <hateball> !clone
[09:07] <hateball> mar11: You can use this to pull a list of what you have installed now, so it is easier to reinstall them later
[09:07] <hateball> But it will still need to download the new 64-bit versions over the internet
[09:08] <hateball> Oh and also... the packages on 32-bit and 64-bit might not be the same
[09:08] <hateball> The names that is
[09:09] <mar11> so what you say is when I install an app which is 64bit now its setting can be trasfer from 32bit old app?
[09:09] <mar11> is that right?
[09:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:09] <mar11> good morning
[09:10] <lordievader> Hey mar11
[09:10] <mar11> hey man
[09:11] <yossarianuk> is there a solar eclipse plasmoid ?
[09:11] <hateball> mar11: Yes, settings are just text for the most part
[09:13] <mar11> what should I backup from /etc ?
[09:14] <lordievader> mar11: I usually backup everything from there. It is a small dir anyways.
[09:19] <mar11> thnks man
[09:20] <mar11> :-D
[09:24] <reza> hi
[09:25] <lordievader> o/
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:08]  * alvin is upgrading to Vivid, macho style.
[11:11] <BluesKaj> alvin, macho style is .......?
[11:14] <aftereyo> remove all previous installs
[11:14] <alvin> No backup :-)
[11:14] <alvin> (ok, no important data either)
[11:14] <lordievader> alvin: No backup? -.-
[11:14] <aftereyo> risky mc'frisky
[11:15] <lordievader> No backup on a Friday... Allways a good idea.
[11:15] <alvin> Just reminded me of this: http://en.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/cache/images/tiraecol_en-59.png
[11:15] <BluesKaj> best to have / and /home partitions
[11:16] <aftereyo> i shuold do that
[11:16] <lordievader> alvin: Was more thinking of: http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/2za4nl/backups_are_important_mkay/
[11:16] <alvin> They are encrypted here. I always have to reboot 'twice', but apparently, this isn't different in Vivid. After grub, there's a blank screen. I reboot, grub appears, and the system boots. Always. no idea why.
[11:16] <aftereyo> always find my self with an empty
[11:19] <BluesKaj> alvin, which kubuntu OS?
[11:20] <alvin> There are more?
[11:20] <BluesKaj> which version?
[11:20] <alvin> Just the in-development version. 15.04
[11:21] <alvin> I ran the plasma5 version of 14.10 before. So, it's not really different.
[11:21] <BluesKaj> if the boot stalls then run , systemctl enable sddm
[11:22] <lordievader> alvin: Did you have a plasma5 ppa enabled when you upgraded to Vivid?
[11:22] <alvin> I had to convince the package manager of some things, but on the whole, this succeeded nicely. Had to downgrade bluedevil and there's still no font preview.
[11:22] <alvin> lordievader: Hmm, Yes, I think so, but the upgrade disabled that PPA.
[11:22] <lordievader> alvin: It disabled the sources.... Upgrading with such a ppa enabled is broken.
[11:23] <alvin> I followed the proper procedure. All PPA's were disabled.
[11:23] <alvin> And it worked. Even Akonadi still works.
[11:24] <lordievader> alvin: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-March/009274.html
[11:25] <aftereyo> It looks like ark cannot create zips with password
[11:25] <aftereyo> what are some other filer compressor I should try?
[11:27] <alvin> lordievader: Oho, seems like I upgraded in time then. Really. it works fine.
[11:28] <alvin> aftereyo: That might be a proprietary option. I don't really know. But typical Unix compression software doesn't give you the options to use a password. That's done with other software, like gnupg.
[11:28] <lordievader> alvin: Hmm, that is good to hear.
[11:28] <alvin> aftereyo: Wait. I should have read the manual first! It's zip --encrypt
[11:29] <alvin> ark probarbly just doesn't show you that option.
[11:32] <alvin> "We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be supported.", but apparently I didn't get the memo and did it anyway. Well. No regrets :-)
[11:35] <BluesKaj> dev OSs always come with caveats as I'm sure you're aware
[11:35] <alvin> Absolutely!
[11:35] <lordievader> Else it wouldn't be fun ;)
[11:36] <alvin> That's the thing. I wouldn't have upgraded now if I really wanted a stable system.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> stilll have the odd crash here and there, but not while running,  the crash notifier pops up with some apps right after closing them
[11:41] <alvin> That happens a lot with Firefox. Crash on close.
[11:42] <fausty> I had screen flickrs a lot and a lot of bug pop ups some i reverted back to plasma 4
[11:43] <fausty> It does look really nice, I'm sure many people will use it once its final
[11:44] <alvin> Oh, yes. It needs some polishing, but looks fine already. I wonder about this font preview rendering bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336089 It was also visible on the demo system at Fosdem, while most people say their font preview looks fine.
[11:44] <alvin> I still have it after the Vivid upgrade
[11:58] <reza> hi guys what is the best additional driver for nividia grafics?
[11:59] <reza> any body?
[12:01] <lordievader> reza: What do you mean best? nouveau vs nvidia?
[12:03] <reza> no I mean additional driver witch we install to run nividia grafice on pc like what we use in windows
[12:03] <reza> there are 4-5 driver
[12:03] <reza> witch we can choses and use
[12:04] <reza> do you see them
[12:04] <reza> ?
[12:05] <reza> should I send a pic?
[12:05] <reza> A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept.
[12:05] <lordievader> reza: No, I do not run Kubuntu nor have a nvidia card. You mean the different versions?
[12:05] <lordievader> Take the latest that (still) supports your card/
[12:06] <reza> A music messaging session has been requested. Please click the MM icon to accept.
[12:06] <hateball> reza: choose nvidia-current
[12:06] <reza> look when you want run driver for grafice card
[12:07] <reza> it is 4-5 driver and it is not in depend on witch card you have
[12:07] <reza> I suppose
[12:08] <BluesKaj> there is no nvidia-current anymore
[12:08] <reza> let me name them for you
[12:08] <BluesKaj> reza, which nvidia gpu?
[12:09] <reza> I think I have gforce 1800
[12:09] <reza> sorry
[12:10] <reza> gforce 9400
[12:10] <reza> gforce 9400 gt
[12:12] <BluesKaj> and which drivers are in the driver manager list ? usually the the recommended is best, probly the nvidia-331 or 340
[12:14] <reza> no there are 304 update-331 update-173-304-331
[12:14] <reza> so witch one is better to choose?
[12:15] <hateball> As long as your card is supported, latest is greatest
[12:16] <BluesKaj> reza, is this kubuntu 14.04 or 14.10?
[12:16] <reza> I want to know witch one is newer and updated?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> is there no recommended driver?
[12:18] <reza> yep
[12:18] <reza> there is
[12:18] <reza> 331
[12:18] <BluesKaj> which is ?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> then install the 331
[12:19] <reza> what's different between 331 and 331 updates?
[12:19] <reza> why it does not recommend 331 updates?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> the 331 driver is up to date,, the updates one is for drivers still being developed afaik
[12:25] <reza> so there is no need to install the update one
[12:25] <reza> thanks man
[12:25] <lordievader> No, the 331 is the version as when the os version was released. The 331-updates is updated as new versions come out.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> ok'
[12:25] <lordievader> New versions of the driver that is.
[12:26] <reza> so why the os itself not recommend it?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> lordievader, my experience with updates drivers was not a good one, the stable driver is also updated when required
[12:27] <BluesKaj> reza, go with the regular 331, it will work fine with the 9400....I have the 8400 and the 331 was great with it
[12:29] <reza> why there is no difrence between them in about field
[12:29] <reza> ?
[12:29] <reza> BluesKaj: are you sure about that?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> reza, yes I am , absolutely sure
[12:30] <reza> so im go on this one
[12:31] <reza> thanks guys
[12:31] <reza> bye
[12:59] <jbwiv> guys, I've switched Ubuntu 14.10 to Kubuntu by apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. However, over time (say 24 hours) i find that kde really starts to slow down and become sluggish. kwin tends to use a fair amount of cpu, but nothing I'd say was overwhelming to this box (dual quad core/8GB ram/GeForce GTX 650 Ti)
[12:59] <jbwiv> is this a common problem, and is there a way to fix without completely logging out/back in or shutting down X?
[13:10] <fausty> Would anyone know how to install KDM from apt-get or PPA, ...? thx
[13:11] <BluesKaj> fausty, why , what's the issue with lightdm?
[13:12] <fausty> LightDM loads the orginal Ubuntu wallpaper right before it loads KDE, I find it slightly anoying..
[13:14] <soee> fausty: install lightdm-kde-greeter
[13:14] <soee> than it wont install all unity dependencies
[13:15] <BluesKaj> yup, that'll work
[13:17] <fausty> Alright, thanks, I've broken my install once in the past with dependencies, but I'm learning...
[13:17] <fausty> I'm ditching windows for good this time around
[13:19] <fausty> seems lightdm-kde-greeter is already the newest version
[13:23] <soee> fausty: and it installed you lightdm with unity deps ?
[13:25] <fausty> I installed Ubuntu, then installed Gnome Flashback then KDE and now I'm here, light DM was present when I booted up KDE the first time in System Settings...
[13:25] <Marbug> Hi I've downloaded kubuntu, and I want to install it on an atom mini laptop where a windows7 is on. is it possible to install a dualboot?
[13:29] <fausty> Marbug, Yes, you'll have to shrink C: partion using windows built in partion editor search 'partition' when you click on the Start button, after you shrink the partion boot ubuntu live cd and the new empty partion make it a Ext4 file system, mount it as '/' and install, ... not sure which version of ubuntu would run on an atom processor prolly 32bit
[13:31] <Marbug> fausty, amd64 would run on it, by shrinking the C: partition, do I need to shrink it before for a boot partition where the grub can reside on? Or may it also be after the C: partition ?
[13:31] <fausty> Ubuntu would do all the grub work for you
[13:35] <BluesKaj> fausty, does windows allow shrinking the C partition while it's in use ? or can you unmount it in the partiton manager and proceed from there?
[13:37] <fausty> it allows shrinking while the system is in use, just look over the numbers and make sure it doesn't shrink to much on you, windows will determine how much it can give up to the new partition, you have some control over so just look it over before clicking next
[13:38] <Marbug> wel in my case I don't need to shrink the C: partition as there is a datapartition I can use. I'm on vacation and there is a laptop, but we have only 3G here, I don't want to take the risk to install ubuntu on that laptop if the stick won't work afterwards, or if there would be problems. But if everything will go automated with just a partition you need to have free, that would be cool
[13:39] <Marbug> now hoping windows wouldn't jerk :-)
[13:40] <fausty> Well if your new to Linux there will be some hiccups along the way ;)
[13:41] <Marbug> I'm new :unsure:
[13:41] <Marbug> ;-)
[13:42] <Marbug> you could say I'm new to windows hahahha
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Marbug, I would use gparted on live media to do the partitoning beforehand rather than fool with the windows partioner , since you can set up the ext4 partion for kubuntu
[13:42] <Marbug> ait gparted it will be
[13:42] <BluesKaj> err partition
[13:46] <fausty> Gotch-ya, sudo apt-get install kdm unity-greeter, KDM is a go :)
[13:46] <lordievader> KDM? Kubuntu hasn't used that since ages.
[13:48] <fausty> LightDM flickers Ubuntu Wallpaper before loading KDE, don't like that, KDM does not,
[13:50] <fausty> Then again I could boot Gnome and set the Wallpaper to black and not see it before them boot...
[13:51] <Marbug> meh, that laptop has EFI -_-" is that a problem for kubuntu ?
[13:53] <hateball> fausty: do you have lightdm-kde-greeter installed and configured
[13:53] <fausty> yes
[13:53] <fausty> but it boots the Unity Login
[13:54] <fausty> with KDM installed it will boot the KDE logon manger
[13:55] <hateball> the configured part sounds like what you're missing then
[13:57] <hateball> I don't know if KDM will even be left in 15.04... if you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm" it should let you pick the proper greeter
[13:59] <fausty> yes it lets me choose between kdm and lightdm... I'll choose lightdm... read up on google some more
[14:00] <fausty> Linux is so modular its confusing at times
[14:06] <BluesKaj> fausty, or you could dump gnome altogether ")\
[14:07] <fausty> I have I'm running Kabuntu, that unity login screen is the only thing left to change
[14:08] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:08] <hateball> fausty: did you try the command I suggested
[14:11] <fausty> yes
[14:12] <fausty> reboot or logout?
[14:12] <fausty> I will reboot and see if its all worked
[14:17] <fausty> All is working :)
[14:18] <fausty> what would be the command to return to the Unity Login ?? out of curosity?
[14:19] <hateball> fausty: I think the package is unity-greeter
[14:20] <hateball> so you'd install that, then reconfigure lightdm and it should let you switch between greeters
[14:20] <hateball> if there is only one greeter package installed it should just default to that
[14:20] <hateball> perhaps unity-greeters post-install script even reconfigures
[14:23] <fausty> unity-greeter is installed just a matter of setting it as default
[14:24] <fausty> unity is under gdm
[14:24] <hateball> hmmm, I thought reconfiguring lightdm should allow you that choice
[14:24] <fausty> so to activate it i'd activate gdm-greeter
[14:24] <hateball> I only ever have kde plasma stuff installed
[14:57] <misalspi_> #xdcc
[15:37] <fausty> So in order to change your default login manager if your using lightdm you have to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and add or change 'greeter-session=unity-greeter' .... or whatever greeter you have installed, Almost broke my install figured that out.. Recovery, Alt+F1 saved me, phew!
[15:40] <Walex> fausty: no, that's not how it is done.
[15:40] <fausty> It's done how it works, its Linux
[15:41] <Walex> fausty: to change display manager the file is '/etc/X11/default-display-manager'
[15:41] <Xenoth> If I upgrade to 14.10 with Muon, am I going to end up on KDE5?
[15:41] <Walex> indeed things are so modular that they are often confusing.
[15:42] <fausty> no that just effects lightdm not the actual login manager
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Xenoth, no
[15:42] <Xenoth> OK, good.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> plsama 5 and KF5 are optional on 14.10
[15:43] <BluesKaj> err plasma
[15:43] <Xenoth> Is it planned to force this in a newer release?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> 15.04 already has plasma 5 as default
[15:47] <fausty> Walex: I try not to get attached my installs if I want learn linux I know I'm going to break my installs, its a right of passage ;))
[15:55] <hyper_ch> Hi there, I have problems with my external hdmi screen... in the display settings it appears but it's greyed out. When I unplug the cable, it vanishes, when I replug it, it reappears but still greyed out. Reboot didn't help. How can I activate it?
[15:56] <lordievader> hyper_ch: Check the checkbox.
[15:57] <hyper_ch> lordievader: it can't be that simple
[15:57] <lordievader> It is here.
[15:57] <hyper_ch> well, yes, it's there
[15:58] <hyper_ch> but it looks also greyed out that's why I haven't tried it
[15:58]  * hyper_ch gives lordievader an extra big crunch chocolate coated weekend cookie
[15:58] <lordievader> \o/
[16:22] <MoonUnit`> displaylink still unusable in linux :-(
[16:24] <BluesKaj> never heard of dispalylink
[16:24] <MoonUnit`> usb monitor, i try it with linux now and again.
[16:25] <MoonUnit`> work perfectly in windows, got it to display an image but it killed my primary monitor but was so slow to be unusable.
[16:26] <MoonUnit`> gave it up years ago when i started using linux and bought a 2nd monitor connected to my radeon card.
[17:50] <Xenoth> Is it possible to make Kickoff in KDE4 open to the "Applications" tab instead of to the Favorites tab?
[18:41] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys. It's been a while since I've been here. I think I've forgotten some of the IRC commands and codes. :p
[18:44] <bprompt> LINKSWORD2:    the code here is,   "the quick fox jumped over the lazy cat, meow"
[18:44] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, commands for ?
[18:44] <LINKSWORD2> Oh, hey, BluesKaj! Ah, just some of the IRC / commands. NickServ and such.
[18:46] <BluesKaj> just tyype /nickserv help in the server textbox
[18:47] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, ^
[18:47] <LINKSWORD2> OK.
[18:51] <LINKSWORD2> Hey, Blues? What would you say are the best programs / apps for Kubuntu?
[18:53] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, that's a matter of personal interest, tastes, and preferences ..depnds what kinds of things you like to do on your pc
[18:54] <LINKSWORD2> Graphics/Audio editing, general purpose (mail, browsers, etc.) Although I also would like to learn more about the Linux kernel and programming, if that's an avenue I might be able to explore.
[18:55] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2,  check this out http://www.linuxveda.com/2014/12/06/things-installing-kubuntu-click-next/
[18:56] <LINKSWORD2> BluesKaj: And what do you use your Linux machine for?
[18:56]  * genii sips and ponders GIMP and FreeCAD.
[18:57] <MoonUnit`> they should add 'use numix in plasma5 so it looks less depressing'
[18:57] <BluesKaj> this pc is my media server and irc chat machine , plus some othe mundane everyday stuff like email and browsing
[18:59] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, sorry that site i just posted is somewhat dated
[19:01] <LINKSWORD2> I see.
[19:02] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, this one is more comprehensive about 14.10 http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-utopic-kde4.html
[19:03] <LINKSWORD2> *Facepalm.* Rekong just crashed....
[19:03] <BluesKaj> rekonq , forget rekonq
[19:04] <LINKSWORD2> Rekonq? Blegh. Lame name. LOL
[19:06] <LINKSWORD2> Is there a way to get the system to not ask for password authentication for updates?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, I use myusername  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in the sudoers file , in the terminal: sudo visudo and add the phrase above the last line in the text , then , ctl+o, enter  and ctl+x to save and exit the file
[19:12] <LINKSWORD2> in Konsole?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> this will work for most apps tto
[19:13] <BluesKaj> yes in the konsole/terminal
[19:15] <LINKSWORD2> I guess I don't have enough understanding of how to put it in with proper syntax.
[19:16] <BluesKaj> open the konsole type sudo visudo
[19:17] <LINKSWORD2> Got that far. Next?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, i use this;  kaj ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL  , so substitute your username where kaj is
[19:21] <BluesKaj> ok , copied and pasted ?
[19:23] <LINKSWORD2> Think so.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> right above the last line in the text , you use the down arrow key to navigate to the bottom
[19:24] <LINKSWORD2> Got it
[19:25] <BluesKaj> now ctl+o , then enter, then ctl+x , that should save the file and exit back to the konsole prompt
[19:26] <LINKSWORD2> Looks good to me. Thanks.
[19:26] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:27] <BluesKaj> you will need to relogin to make it work
[19:27] <LINKSWORD2> Too lazy to log out and back in. LOL
[19:27] <BluesKaj> heh
[19:28] <BluesKaj> used to have to reboot iirc
[19:31] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, you can check if you open the /etc/sudoers file like so , kdesudo kate  /etc/sudoers in krunner
[19:32] <BluesKaj> krunner is alt +F2
[19:32] <LINKSWORD2> Found it. Looks good.
[19:32] <BluesKaj> cool
[19:32] <LINKSWORD2> Meanwhile, I'm falling asleep in my chair after a long day at work. Gonna log off and shut down.
[19:43] <fausty> I have one drive thats over 2 terrabyte can linux (NTFS) can linux handle this drive?
[19:44] <bprompt> fausty:   sure, only thing is I think you have to use a GPT partition table on it
[19:45] <fausty> ok
[21:07] <Guest46326> hola
[21:55] <Jiyuhen> Question - I am thinking of installing / Using Plasma 5 with my Kubuntu.
[21:55] <Jiyuhen> Do I go by the Windows saying of never change a running system or?
[21:56] <valorie> that depends on what you use your computer for, Jiyuhen
[21:57] <valorie> I use plasma 5 daily and have been for about six months
[21:57] <valorie> I'm running Vivid beta right now, and it is mostly excellent
[21:57] <soee> i can confirm what valorie says
[21:57] <Jiyuhen> valorie: Basic stuff like E-mail a bit of browsing and the occasional gaming.
[21:58] <Jiyuhen> I am thinking of trying some programming later, but first want to get to know Kubuntu
[21:58] <valorie> Jiyuhen: you can always download the iso and burn it to USB
[21:58] <valorie> and try it out, see if it uses all your equipment correctly
[21:58] <Jiyuhen> soee:  Thanks! So, it is stable enough
[21:59] <Jiyuhen> valorie: Thank you for the tip!
[21:59] <Jiyuhen> valorie: Would work in a VM as well, right?
[21:59] <valorie> hmmm, I think there have been some vm glitches
[21:59] <valorie> it works in KVM, I know
[22:00] <valorie> do you know about that soee?
[22:01] <Jiyuhen> valorie: Does it? Thank you so much - I be trying that! :)
[22:02] <valorie> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/VividVervet/Beta1/Kubuntu - Jiyuhen
[22:03] <soee> VB had some problems, but after playing a bit with its settings it worked
[22:04] <Jiyuhen> valorie: Cheers for the link, I am reading it now :)
[22:05] <valorie> :-)
[22:05] <Jiyuhen> Nice! Thus Plasma, will be the standard from now on moving forward.
[22:06] <Jiyuhen> It does look really nice I have to admit.
[22:06] <valorie> yes, I love the look
[22:06] <valorie> of course there will be other themes as time goes on
[22:06] <valorie> but they have refactored everything, and it is smooth as butter
[22:08] <Jiyuhen> Ok, let's do it! I am opening the terminal now valorie ;-)
[22:11] <valorie> be sure you have a good backup before doing anything else!
[22:11] <Jiyuhen> Check
[22:11]  * valorie recently made the mistake and only had an old backup.....
[22:12] <Jiyuhen> uh! That happened to me a couple of weeks ago too, when I just started to use Kubuntu. It was not pretty...
[22:13] <Jiyuhen> valorie: It mostly also just happens when you need to go to bed, but you cannot because the computer isn t running..
[22:13] <valorie> I now keep that one precious text file on dropbox Just In Case
[22:13] <valorie> why I didn't before, no idea
[22:14] <Jiyuhen> In dropbox! That is a excellent idea!
[22:14] <Jiyuhen> Haven't even considered doing that - but yes
[22:14] <Jiyuhen> We learn from our pains valorie. :)
[22:15] <valorie> indeed
[22:15] <valorie> you'd think I would have learned after so *many* mistakes though, lol
[22:16] <lordievader> valorie: KVM works nicely with Vivid.
[22:17] <lordievader> I've heard of problems with VB + Vivid (not only Kubuntu, Ubuntu too).
[22:17] <valorie> I heard good things, yes -- not just for vivid, but for plasma 5 in general, even from source
[22:18] <Jiyuhen> goede avond lordie!
[22:18] <Jiyuhen> valorie: Na, never...that be boring ! lol
[22:19] <Jiyuhen> Alright folks - wish me look. I am about to reboot
[23:21] <Hawkeye_> Alright - Desktop was a bit sluggish. So I rewerded back. Funny enough - Now I have a new Desktop with underlying my old desktop as it looks like. Weird
[23:26] <valorie> Hawkeye_: "rewerded"?
[23:28] <Hawkeye_> de installed the packaged or purged them
[23:28] <Hawkeye_> Might also be the reason, why I cannot change my username atm.
[23:29] <Hawkeye_> Because, I am online already...this is weird valorie
[23:29] <Hawkeye_> Like a desktop on top of my other dekstop weird
[23:31] <valorie> I've been noticing a bug lately in Vivid which I've not reported yet where the slideshow isn't removing the previous image
[23:34] <Hawkeye_> you mean, that is what happend?
[23:34] <Hawkeye_> My one user has multiplied?
[23:40] <valorie> not in my case
[23:40] <valorie> it seems the previous image is not erased
[23:42] <Hawkeye_> sounds plausible, yes
[23:46] <yotux> how does one blacklist a drive from the kernel


[00:00] <thumper> container "machine-1-lxc-0" created
[00:00] <thumper> well that bit worked...
[00:12] <wallyworld> thumper: ParentId() committed, looking into bootstrap machine container issue
[00:16] <thumper> ack
[00:48] <wallyworld> thumper: i just bootstrapped on canonistack and everything works as expected
[00:48] <thumper> wallyworld: try ec2
[00:48] <wallyworld> i tried on ec2 and got an error running status- error: cannot log in to admin database: auth fails
[00:48] <wallyworld> bootstrap seemed to work
[00:48] <thumper> which zone?
[00:48] <wallyworld> us-east-1
[00:49] <thumper> hmm...
[00:49] <thumper> my status works
[00:49] <wallyworld> still, there should be no difference between add-machine on canonistack vs ec2
[00:50] <wallyworld> i wrote a test for inject machine and containers and will add that test as a driveby
[00:50] <wallyworld> thumper: did you remember to "go install launchpad.net/juju-core/..."
[00:51] <thumper> aye
[00:51] <wallyworld> if not, that would explain your issues perhaps
[00:51] <thumper> hmm...
[00:51] <thumper> v.weird
[00:52] <wallyworld> why does my brightness keep maxing out. frustrating when trying to conserve power
[00:53]  * thumper grabs the parent bits as needed now
[00:53] <wallyworld> thumper: status just started working on ec2. go figure
[00:54] <fwereade__> wallyworld, ec2 sometimes just pretends you have no instances
[00:54] <wallyworld> :-(
[00:54] <fwereade__> wallyworld, it's just one of those fun things than brighten your day every now and then
[00:54] <thumper> ec2 sucks
[00:54] <wallyworld> would that explain the auth failure on loggin to admin db?
[00:54] <wallyworld> thumper: add-machine works for me on ec2
[00:55] <thumper> wallyworld: how about 'juju add-machine 0/lxc'
[00:55] <thumper> because that is what failed for me
[00:55] <wallyworld> thumper: yes, that works
[00:55] <wallyworld> that's what i tried
[00:55]  * thumper pulls a face
[00:55]  * thumper tries
[00:55] <thumper> just merged latest, will rebuild and try
[00:55] <wallyworld> ian@wallyworld:~$ juju add-machine 0/lxc  -e amazon
[00:55] <wallyworld> ian@wallyworld:~$ juju status -e amazon
[00:55] <wallyworld> machines:
[00:55] <wallyworld>   "0":
[00:55] <wallyworld>     agent-state: started
[00:55] <wallyworld>     agent-version: <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:55] <wallyworld>     dns-name: ec2-107-22-111-226.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[00:55] <wallyworld>     instance-id: i-e77d5b85
[00:55] <wallyworld>     series: precise
[00:55] <wallyworld>   0/lxc/0:
[00:56] <wallyworld>     instance-id: pending
[00:56] <wallyworld>     series: precise
[00:56] <wallyworld> services: {}
[00:58] <thumper> wallyworld: hmm...
[00:58] <thumper> wallyworld: you should have quotes around 0/lxc/0
[00:59] <wallyworld> ah yes. true
[00:59] <wallyworld> i didn't change status or anything. i wonder why they are issing. will need to look
[00:59] <wallyworld> i mean, a container is just a machine
[01:00] <wallyworld> i'll fix it when i update status to indent containers etc
[01:01] <fwereade__> wallyworld, thumper: no you shouldn't. yay yaml
[01:01] <thumper> fwereade__: eh?
[01:01] <thumper> fwereade__: so "0" shouldn't have quotes?
[01:01] <fwereade__> thumper, "0" needs them lest it be interpreted as an int
[01:02] <thumper> ew
[01:02] <thumper> that is orrible
[01:03] <wallyworld> fwereade__: sure, but when printing to console, shouldn;t the output be "nice"?
[01:03] <wallyworld> iw leave off the "
[01:03] <fwereade__> wallyworld, then it wouldn't be yaml
[01:04] <wallyworld> sure, but it's just for the user to look at? or are we expecting to pipe it into a file? or?
[01:04] <fwereade__> wallyworld, you can almost certainly customise the yaml output but I don't consider the benefit to be worth the hassle of finding out how to do so
[01:04] <wallyworld> any anyway, what are you still doing awake?
[01:04] <fwereade__> er, no good answer there
[01:04] <fwereade__> wallyworld, it's yaml because that's meant to be nice to look at
[01:05] <fwereade__> wallyworld, it's less nice than might be hoped in this case
[01:05] <wallyworld> yeah
[01:06] <fwereade__> wallyworld, we're not making --format yaml format output other than as yaml, and I question the cost/benefit of figuring out how to goose yaml into doing a slightly nicer thing ;)
[01:06] <wallyworld> fwereade__: sure. wasn't seriously suggesting it was The Most Important Thing right now :-)
[01:07] <wallyworld> but if people see it, they do wonder if something is wrong
[01:07] <wallyworld> since it's inconsistent
[01:07] <wallyworld> therefore bad
[01:07] <fwereade__> wallyworld, I would certainly not complain about a fix for that
[01:08] <wallyworld> i'll add it to my paper cuts list :-)
[01:16] <thumper> ok, bootstrapping ec2 again
[01:16] <wallyworld> good luck :-)
[01:16] <wallyworld> let me know how you get on
[01:16] <wallyworld> i only have 30 mins of battery left :-(
[01:16] <wallyworld> still waiting for tradesman to arrive before i can relocate
[01:21] <bigjools> I wondered whether you were coming or not wallyworld
[01:22] <wallyworld> bigjools: yeah. long story. i'm really pissed off right now
[01:22] <wallyworld> i'm never hiring this tiler ver again
[01:22] <bigjools> what did I say about builders/tradies? :)
[01:23] <wallyworld> well, i can't repeat it since there may be kids watching :-)
[01:23] <bigjools> I would leave a note on your gate telling him to come back another day since he was too late
[01:23] <bigjools> but I guess you're desperate for a bathroom :)
[01:23] <thumper> hi bigjools
[01:24] <thumper> wallyworld: it seemed to work this time
[01:24]  * thumper hits it again
[01:24] <bigjools> o/ thumper
[01:24] <wallyworld> user error!!!
[01:24] <thumper> wallyworld: bullshit
[01:24] <wallyworld> pbkac :-P
[01:24] <thumper> although no idea why last time
[01:25]  * thumper watches pepper chew on maia's shoe
[01:25] <bigjools> push it
[01:27] <thumper> bigjools: push what?
[01:27] <bigjools> it was an attempt at a salt and pepper joke
[01:27] <bigjools> push it real good
[01:28] <thumper> haha
[01:28] <thumper> I've nicknamed her pepper pots
[01:28] <thumper> wallyworld: ah ffs
[01:28] <wallyworld> yeeeees?
[01:28] <thumper> wallyworld: cloud-init checks for a valid machine id :)
[01:28] <bigjools> you need an iron man now
[01:28] <thumper> wallyworld: which 0/lxc/0 fails
[01:28] <wallyworld> ah balls
[01:29] <wallyworld> thumper: you want to comment out that check locally and i'll work up a fix?
[01:29]  * thumper looks for where it fails
[01:30] <wallyworld> thumper: i can include in my next branch a s i don't think you need it urgently (if you do a local hack)
[01:30] <thumper> state.IsMachineId
[01:30]  * wallyworld nods
[01:31] <thumper> wallyworld: is a regex
[01:31] <wallyworld> yes it is
[01:31] <thumper> wallyworld: how is your regex?
[01:31] <wallyworld> ok
[01:31] <wallyworld> trivial fix
[01:32] <wallyworld> you want to fix locally and i'll land a fix later? i don't have much power left
[01:32] <thumper> wallyworld: I'll just comment out locally
[01:32] <wallyworld> sounds good
[01:32] <thumper> for now
[01:32] <wallyworld> yep
[01:34] <wallyworld> thumper: bigjools: power almost gone. good bye cruel world
[01:34] <thumper> wallyworld: use the power adapter
[01:34] <thumper> duh!
[01:34] <bigjools> wallyworld: adios
[01:34] <wallyworld> thumper: i said before - we have no electricty
[01:34] <wallyworld> till later today :-(
[01:34] <thumper> oh... missed that
[01:35] <thumper> using the phone internet?
[01:35] <bigjools> smack your tiler in the chops
[01:35] <wallyworld> so i'm off to bigjools' house after trademan gets here
[01:35] <thumper> ack
[01:35] <wallyworld> thumper: yes, using phone. big data bill :-(
[01:35] <wallyworld> trademan just arrived \o/
[01:35] <bigjools> you get 1.5Gb free!
[01:35] <wallyworld> yes, but will weekly video calls at soccer training on thursday......
[01:36] <wallyworld> anyways, back online a bit later
[01:36]  * bigjools considers an undercut charge for wallyworld
[02:00] <thumper> ah ffs
[02:26] <thumper> hmm...
[02:36]  * thumper sighs
[02:37] <thumper> bigjools: when wallyworld arrives, tell him that I'm fixing the IsValidMachine as I have to ... for other bits
[02:46] <thumper> hi wallyworld
[02:47] <thumper> wallyworld: cloudinit bits need to know if machineId is a container or not
[02:47] <thumper> wallyworld: as I can't install lxc inside lxc on precise
[02:47] <thumper> so the cloud-init bits need to be more careful
[02:48] <wallyworld> thumper: you can look at the container type
[02:48] <thumper> wallyworld: I don't have a machine, just an id
[02:48] <thumper> wallyworld: https://codereview.appspot.com/10215043
[02:48] <thumper> wallyworld: I might expose the ParentId function
[02:49] <wallyworld> yeah
[02:49] <wallyworld> or maybe implement an IsContainer?
[02:49] <wallyworld> i think that would be better
[02:50] <thumper> wallyworld: yeah...
[02:51] <wallyworld> thumper: or pass both id and container type?
[02:51] <bigjools> thumper: I missed your message because he had just arrived and I had to make the whinging Aussie a coffee
[02:51] <wallyworld> i like that even more
[02:51] <thumper> bigjools: haha
[02:51]  * wallyworld is waiting for his backrub from bigjools
[02:51] <thumper> wallyworld: what do you mean?
[02:52] <wallyworld> thumper: just a sec, bigjools is snorting coffee
[02:52]  * wallyworld slaps bigjools
[02:52] <wallyworld> STFU
[02:52] <thumper> wallyworld: you don't have to type it to him, he is next to you right?
[02:52] <wallyworld> thumper: yes, but i wanted to share the hilarity
[02:53] <bigjools> within spitting distance
[02:53] <wallyworld> thumper: i mean instead of introspecting an id to see if the machine is a container, pass both the id and container type
[02:53] <wallyworld> that sounds cleaner to me
[02:53] <thumper> wallyworld: give me a func prototype
[02:54] <thumper> I don't get what you are saying
[02:54] <wallyworld> thumper: you say you only have an id in the place where you need to know if a machine is a container, right?
[02:54] <thumper> right
[02:55] <wallyworld> so, why can't we give that place access to the machine's container type as well as its id?
[02:55] <wallyworld> ie pass the container type to that logic
[02:55] <wallyworld> as well as the id
[02:56] <thumper> wallyworld: because...
[02:56]  * thumper thinks
[02:57]  * wallyworld is planning for the case where we only have surrogate ids
[03:08] <thumper> wallyworld: getting close to having a machine agent running inside the container
[03:08] <wallyworld> \o/
[03:09] <thumper> that one failed because of the valid machine check
[03:09] <thumper> and I was using a previously bootstrapped instance
[03:09]  * thumper destroyed, rebuilt, bootstraps
[03:11] <wallyworld> thumper: you haven't seen the txn aborted issue again?
[03:11] <thumper> wallyworld: I've not tried to create many containers
[03:11] <thumper> just waiting for my new bootstrap node to come up
[03:11] <thumper> then I'll add a couple
[03:11] <wallyworld> kk
[03:11]  * thumper looks at how to add a mount point to lxc config
[03:20] <thumper> hi mramm
[03:20] <thumper> mramm: really you, or just a machine?
[03:20] <mramm> really me
[03:20] <thumper> mramm: hey hey
[03:20] <mramm> how goes?
[03:36] <thumper> oh ffs
[04:17] <thumper> wallyworld: hey
[04:17] <wallyworld> hi
[04:17] <thumper> wallyworld: the reason the machine agent didn't start properly on the bootstrap node
[04:17] <thumper> wallyworld: is that the state server address it had was localhost :)
[04:17]  * thumper kicks a new machine up
[04:17] <wallyworld> thumper: so not my fault?
[04:18] <thumper> wallyworld: no
[04:18] <wallyworld> \o/
[04:18]  * thumper has started machine 1
[04:29] <thumper> hmm...
[04:29]  * thumper makes notes of extra bits needed
[04:30] <thumper> like, specific root file system location
[04:30] <thumper> mounting /var/log/juju
[04:30] <thumper> for some reason, when I run our cloud-init bits, I can't log in... damn password
[04:38] <thumper> wallyworld: what I do need is a machine watcher that watches for changes in containers on the machine
[04:38] <thumper> wallyworld: parameterised by container type
[04:38] <thumper> wallyworld: so "get me a watcher for lxc containers on machine x"
[04:39] <wallyworld> sounds reasonable
[04:41] <thumper> wallyworld: ok, machine 1 lxc machine agent fails with auth issues
[04:41] <thumper> so I'm probably doing something wrong there.
[04:42] <wallyworld> thumper: i had auth issues also just bootstrapping
[04:42] <wallyworld> and all of a sudden it came good
[04:42] <wallyworld> ec2 is stupid :-(
[04:42] <wallyworld> thumper: i have to run away and do the school pickup
[04:42] <thumper> ack
[06:44] <TheMue> morning
[08:05]  * fwereade__ seeks a further review on https://codereview.appspot.com/10166044/
[08:08] <TheMue> fwereade__: will do (and good morning btw)
[08:10] <fwereade__> TheMue, good morning, and cheers :)
[08:13] <TheMue> fwereade__: while I'm looking into your source, could you please add a hint to your review in https://codereview.appspot.com/10148045/diff/10001/state/state_test.go line 1272?
[08:22] <fwereade__> TheMue, just add two services which each have a peer relation, remove them both, Sync, and check you only get one event.
[08:22] <fwereade__> TheMue, might be nice as a separate test
[08:31] <TheMue> fwereade__: ok, good hint, thanks
[09:15]  * danilos_ steps out, back in ~30
[10:04] <fwereade__> rogpeppe1, https://codereview.appspot.com/10166044/patch/1/9
[10:04] <rogpeppe1> fwereade__: looking
[10:04] <fwereade__> rogpeppe1, you mean to just test that it's hooked up by doing something 100% broken and hoping for a characteristic error?
[10:04] <rogpeppe1> fwereade__: yes
[10:05] <fwereade__> rogpeppe1, I'm not sure that's a very solid technique compared to running the operation and verifying success
[10:05] <fwereade__> rogpeppe1, ah
[10:05] <fwereade__> rogpeppe1, but it's just the perm test
[10:05] <rogpeppe1> fwereade__: because we must get the permission-denied error (which is all this test is checking for) before it even tries to attempt the operation
[10:05] <fwereade__> rogpeppe1, gotcha
[10:05] <fwereade__> rogpeppe1, thanks
[10:05] <rogpeppe1> fwereade__: np
[11:30] <jam> mgz_, wallyworld: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/8868e66b07fa02bdc903be4601200d470dae9ee3  ?
[11:32] <mgz_> ta
[13:11] <TheMue> fwereade__: ping
[13:11] <fwereade__> TheMue, pong
[13:12] <TheMue> fwereade__: the resumer shall process the ResumeAll() on State.runner?
[13:13] <fwereade__> TheMue, yeah
[13:13] <fwereade__> TheMue, you could even just have a state.Resumer type that just happened to implement Worker
[13:14] <TheMue> fwereade__: ok, and here periodically?
[13:14] <fwereade__> TheMue, yes please
[13:14] <fwereade__> TheMue, I think I need to go eat some lunch though, didn't quite get round to it yet
[13:15] <fwereade__> bbiab
[13:15] <TheMue> fwereade__: Resumer in state? OK, so I don't need a function state.ResumeAll()
[13:15] <TheMue> fwereade__: enjoy your meal
[13:16] <fwereade__> TheMue, I'm not sure
[13:16] <fwereade__> TheMue, think through the tradeoffs and just precis why what you pick is more sensible ;p
[13:17] <fwereade__> TheMue, we can chat after kanban if you like
[13:23] <TheMue> fwereade__: sure, we can do
[13:23]  * TheMue just fetched an espresso
[13:33] <rogpeppe1> fwereade__: hasn't we decided to lose the stuttering?
[14:53] <fwereade__> TheMue, https://codereview.appspot.com/10148045/ reviewed, nearly there
[14:53] <TheMue> fwereade__: thanks
[15:02] <TheMue> fwereade__: I'm a bit confused now. while the tests with the two Destroy() before the last propose only raised one event I now have two :(
[15:02] <TheMue> fwereade__: so the coalescing as designed in the watcher doesn't work
[15:16] <TheMue> fwereade__: ah, it has to do with the change of Sync() to StartSync() in the asserts
[15:55] <TheMue> have to leave for today. will comeback to you tomorrow, fwereade__
[17:00] <ehw> does go-juju upload the tools tarball to MAAS automatically, or does I need to upload it manually?
[17:27] <ehw> I guess I should phrase that differently: is go-juju actually intended to work with MAAS?
[17:51] <fwereade__> ehw, --upload-tools will work if you're building from source; the alternative is `juju sync-tools` which is somewhat inelegant -- and currently requires valid ec2 credentials in env vars -- but that'll copy from the same place other environs get theirs
[17:51] <ehw> fwereade__, building from source, as in it works in unreleased versions?
[17:51] <ehw> fwereade__ i.e. trunk?
[17:52] <fwereade__> ehw, with trunk, you need --upload-tools
[17:52] <fwereade__> ehw, we made a mistake a few revs ago and trunk doesn't currently bootstrap released 1.10 tools, so it's a necessity today
[17:52] <fwereade__> ehw, in general it should not be
[17:53] <ehw> fwereade__, I'm running from ppa:juju/devel, so I'm assuming it's broke?
[17:54] <fwereade__> ehw, I'm not certain what version that implies -- 1.11?
[17:54] <ehw> 1.11.0-1~1240~precise1
[17:55] <ehw> against maas 1.2, from maas-maintainers/stable
[17:55] <fwereade__> ehw, if you have ec2 credentials, you can run `juju sync-tools` which should get you matching versions copied into environment storage
[17:55] <fwereade__> ehw, this is a sucky story
[17:55] <fwereade__> ehw, and it is in hand
[17:56] <fwereade__> ehw, but it's the story we have today
[17:56] <ehw> fwereade__, will probably need to do some django hacking then; we need to go on the bug warpath over the next couple of weeks
[17:57] <fwereade__> ehw, sorry, I 'm missing context -- what is it you're trying to do exactly?
[17:58] <ehw> fwereade__, in the larger context, document and debug MAAS, Juju, Openstack, and Landscape in preparation for the 13.09 LDS release
[17:58] <ehw> fwereade__, right now, I'm just trying to get juju-core to talk to maas ;)
[17:59] <fwereade__> ehw, if it's tools that are the problem you can do it even more low-tech
[18:00] <fwereade__> ehw, grabbing this and putting it in your environ's storage under the same path should get you a step further https://juju-dist.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/juju-1.11.0-precise-amd64.tgz
[18:00] <ehw> fwereade__, I've got the tarball, but I need to put it where juju is expecting it
[18:01] <ehw> fwereade__, which appears to be under MAAS/api/1.0/files/
[18:01] <fwereade__> ehw, in that case you *should* just be able to put it in tools/ therein
[18:01] <fwereade__> ehw, but: what actual error are you seeing?
[18:02] <ehw> fwereade__, error: no tools available
[18:02] <ehw> fwereade__, it hits the MAAS api looking for "GET /MAAS/api/1.0/files/?prefix=tools%2Fjuju-&op=list HTTP/1.1"
[18:03] <fwereade__> ehw, ok, yeah, putting something under tools/ in there should help
[18:03] <fwereade__> brb, let me know if it helps
[18:03] <ehw> fwereade__, yeah, but it's not a filesystem, it's binary blogs in the db
[18:03] <ehw> probably planning on using object storage for that at some point
[18:17] <fwereade__> ehw, you would possibly want to talk to bigjools about that, then, because I have not actually deployed on maas myself
[18:18] <fwereade__> ehw, but s3 is not, either, it just kinda looks like one if you squint a bit -- if the blob names can have /s you shoudl be fine
[18:18] <fwereade__> ehw, sorry, I need to be gone for a while now :(
[18:19] <ehw> fwereade__, no worries; I think I might be able to feel my way through this
[18:27] <ehw> ok, had to pop into maas shell and put the file there manually, but it bootstraps now
[22:05] <thumper> oops
[22:05] <thumper> forgot to tear down my ec2 instances yesterday
[22:10] <jcastro> thumper: I suppose that's better than forgetting them from 4 months ago
[22:10] <thumper> jcastro: haha
[22:10] <thumper> for sure
[23:51]  * thumper out for lunch


[10:12] <rmg51> Morning
[13:16] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, hamsters and everything else
[21:10] <ChinnoDog> Anyone here use flickrfs?
[21:12]  * jthan has not
[21:13] <jthan> I don't evne use flickr
[21:18] <ChinnoDog> I guess you don't count then.
[21:18] <jthan> I should count anyway
[21:18] <jthan> count me.
[21:19] <pleia2> nope, shotwell has a nice built in upload-to-flickr thing that I use
[21:19] <pleia2> just connects over https to their api
[21:19] <pleia2> only breaks sometimes :)
[21:25] <ChinnoDog> flickrfs looks good for managing what is already there though.
[21:28] <pleia2> the webui is fine too
[21:28] <pleia2> I don't like file managers


[00:48] <user1234567> hey
[00:49] <Unit193> Howdy.
[00:49] <user1234567> is there a "install lubuntu alongside windows" file?  like in ubuntu
[00:50] <Unit193> File? You mean option? And the installer is the exact same.
[00:50] <pibarnas> user1234567: is there one in ubuntu? :/
[00:51] <user1234567> yea there's a exe file you can d/l and you can install ubuntu while on windows and it does everything for you
[00:52] <Yos> ah wubi
[00:52] <Unit193> Wubi, I *highly* recommend you don't use that, with Ubuntu or Lubuntu.
[00:57] <user1234567> hmm ok,  I have another question, I plan to use lubuntu on this desktop with 3Gb of ram, I plan not to use swap, is that ok?
[01:20] <sagaci> user1234567, surely is
[01:21] <sagaci> although assigning 500mb to swap wouldn't hurt
[01:24] <GridCube> user1234567, no installer will let you install without a swap partition, you *need* one
[01:24] <GridCube> its an ubuntu thing
[01:27] <sagaci> just assign all free space to /
[01:28] <sagaci> at least it used to
[01:28] <keithclark> downloading Lubuntu now.  It should be no problem to install along side Ubuntu, yes?
[01:29] <Yos> keithclark, won't be a problem but you may want to use it live first to check it out
[01:30] <keithclark> Yos: done that!
[01:31] <Yos> the installer in lubuntu is same as in ubuntu so it should be no problem to dual-boot
[01:32] <keithclark> Yos: Cool.  I've neve dual booted on this machine before.
[01:36] <user1234567> keithclark, I plan to do something similar but instead of alongside I'm gonna try to have lubuntu as main OS with virtualbox installed and have ubuntu in virtual
[01:37] <keithclark> user1234567: I had the opposite and it worked fantastic.  That is why I want to try for real.
[01:41] <keithclark> user1234567: My biggest worry is my wireless working
[01:42] <user1234567> did you try the wireless thing in virtual?
[01:44] <keithclark> user1234567: no
[01:45] <keithclark> user1234567: I'm not sure that is possible without the actual hardware
[01:45] <Yos> that's why you should try the live cd first to see that everything is working
[01:46] <Yos> but even that isn't full proof
[01:47] <keithclark> Yes, but dual boot should not be an issue.  Worst case wireless doesn't work and I have to boot to Ubuntu, no?
[01:47] <Yos> ah, you have ubuntu already, then yeah
[01:47] <user1234567> what is the wireless thing? did it come with the pc  or
[01:48] <Yos> but it should be fine
[01:48] <keithclark> user1234567: yes, emachines netbook.
[01:49] <user1234567> if it doesnt work you can try this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43%20-%20No%20Internet%20access
[02:58] <souliaq> Is possible install TTF font in Lubuntu?
[03:23] <Trippz> hello, someone knows if lubuntu recognize a USB wireless adapter ( dlink DWA-160) ?
[03:46] <Trippz> someone knows this error? : isolinux: Disk error 10, AX = 4280, drive EF
[04:03] <Kalidarn> can LXTerminal do 256 colors?
[04:17] <Kalidarn> oh wait i figured it out
[05:10] <Trippz> hello , i have tried to install lubuntu with nomodeset and vga=771 but the screen stay black, any suggestion?
[09:08] <samuel> using the latest lubuntu. when i suspend computer and then wake it up the panel which shows open programs shrinks by 20pixels or so. when this is repeated several times. the icons gets so small (blank space in the middle of the panel) that it is impossible to click on the icons because they are crammed together
[09:08] <bioterror> nice
[09:09] <bioterror> can you share a screenshot for us?
[09:09] <bioterror> !screenshots | samuel
[09:11] <samuel> bioterror, ubottu: at #lxde i asked for a dirty fix and "lxpanel restart" fixed it. so now i don't have the screenshot. i guess i will come back next week with the screenshot :)
[09:12] <samuel> ...that is: lxpanelctl restart
[09:12] <bioterror> yep
[09:18] <samuel> are you guys happy with GPicView? when i open large image, then press G for original size and try to scroll the image, it will not scroll. some buggy border flashes and then it restores the location before scrolling
[09:18] <bioterror> no I am not
[09:18] <bioterror> it does not support raw files
[09:19] <samuel> also it would seem reasonable to scroll around images using arrows, but i haven't found any keys to do this, arrows just switch next/prev images
[09:20] <samuel> with laptop it's not so easy to use mouse for everything
[10:33] <aeneusOWO> I have a inspiron 1525... how well will lubuntu run on it?
[10:35] <Yos> You can take it for a testdrive first and find out for yourself :)
[10:35] <Yos> run a live instance first
[10:36] <aeneusOWO> Yos: will I have to install my wireless card separately as I had with Ubuntu?
[10:36] <Yos> probably if you have to do that with ubuntu as well
[10:37] <Yos> which version of ubuntu was that ?
[10:37] <aeneusOWO> that was a few months ago... I think it was ubuntu 11. something
[10:37] <aeneusOWO> 11.4
[10:38] <aeneusOWO> Yos: thank you
[10:38] <aeneusOWO> which linux best suits an inspiron 1525 dell laptop with 3gb memory ram
[10:38] <Yos> again, no harm in running it live first
[10:38] <aeneusOWO> I will need to run windows inside it...
[10:38] <aeneusOWO> Yos: ok... nice one.. thank you... I will do that...
[10:39] <Yos> on 3Gb of ram, you should have no problems running a VM in lubuntu
[12:55] <wilt> bonjour
[12:56] <wilt> j'aurais besoin d'un petit coup de main s'il vous plait.
[12:56] <wilt> J'ai planté mon installation d'ubuntu et là j'utilise le live cd de lubuntu.
[12:57] <wilt> Savez-vous s'il est possible d'accéder à mes fichiers à partir du live cd ?
[12:57] <gordonjcp> wilt: vous pouvez essayer #ubuntu-fr
[12:58] <gordonjcp> mais oui, you can in fact get at your files from the live CD
[12:58] <wilt> Merci gordonjcp. Pouvez-vous me dire par quel chemin svp ?
[12:59] <gordonjcp> okay, now I'm going to have to hit Google Translate
[13:00] <gordonjcp> je parle mais une petit petit peu francais
[13:00] <gordonjcp> or, you know, you could use English
[13:00] <gordonjcp> like everyone else here
[13:00] <gordonjcp> which would be the polite thing to do
[13:02] <gordonjcp> wilt: you can't just assume people will speak your local language
[13:02] <wilt> Ok. no problem for me
[13:02] <gordonjcp> wilt: cia meud duine a'bruidhinn Gaedhlig air seo?
[13:02] <gordonjcp> not bloody many I should think
[13:02] <gordonjcp> ;-)
[13:07] <wilt> So, gordonjcp, can you tell me how I can see my ubuntu files ?
[13:13] <theluckymike> I got this pcmcia error when I boot the system and it freezes and I can boot to system adding hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false . But how can I fix pcmcia for normal booting without skipping it. Or how can I disable/blacklist this card because I actually don't use it at all?
[13:44] <DX555> I have a problem when installing Lubuntu on an Asus T91 See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1977931
[13:45] <DX555> Any ideas how to solve this issue? Thanks
[14:07] <neure> hello
[14:07] <neure> where i do configure window manager keyboard shortcuts?
[14:07] <neure> i see f11 maximises window
[14:07] <neure> this conflicts with kdevelop step into command
[14:09] <bioterror> .~/config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[14:09] <bioterror> ~./config/
[14:10] <bioterror> asdasdasdasd
[14:10] <bioterror> ~/.config/
[14:10] <bioterror> now it's correct
[14:10] <doubler7> hi...there is a italian chat for lubuntu?
[14:10] <bioterror> ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[14:21] <theluckymike> =]]
[14:25]  * theluckymike is away: I'm busy
[14:48] <neure> uf
[14:48] <neure> #openbox is invite only :(
[14:48] <neure> can i make windows open where they ask to be opened?
[15:16] <fansub313>  hello , someone can give me assistance to configure ( ati igp320m ) on lubuntu please.
[15:25] <bioterror> !ati
[16:00] <murple> I'm trying to configure my locale and I've followed the steps detailed in this blog post: http://ccollins.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/how-to-change-date-formats-on-ubuntu/ . I believe I have done everything correctly, but the system fails to load "custom.UTF-8". I believe I need to edit something other than /etc/environment to use my custom locale. Can anyone help me?
[16:07] <murple> Anyone? bioterror perhaps?
[16:08] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:09] <murple> ahhh
[16:44] <murple> nothing huh?
[16:46] <bioterror> murple, you did not fix it?
[16:46] <murple> I did my best but failed?
[16:51] <bioterror> murple, what's wrong with the locale
[16:51] <bioterror> what you want to change so badly, that you wanted to create a custom locale
[16:53] <murple> I have en_us.utf8 for LC_Time. I want to use 2012-05-12 format so I copied en_us.utf8 to custom.utf8 and modified it to my liking (changing time and date formats amongst other things). However, I'm not sure how to tell Ubuntu to use my custom locale.
[16:53] <murple> I edited /etc/environment as shown in the post, but that doesn't seem to change anything.
[16:58] <valdur55> what you want?
[16:59] <valdur55> Do you want to change panel clock tooltip?
[17:05] <murple> valdur55: I've already customized the panel clock to my liking, but I suddenly noticed the date/time format shown in file managers and Thunderbird and similar are not the way I want them to be.
[17:06] <murple> valdur55: I want to use the date format 2012-05-12 and the time format 19:05.
[17:09] <Yos> noob question: how do I empty my trash bin ?
[17:11] <bioterror> with right click and "empty trash bin"
[17:13] <Yos> yes, but first I have to find the trash bin lol
[17:13] <bioterror> I have to admit that I have not that much messed around with the locales
[17:13] <bioterror> what I have actually done is that I have edited en_US to show monday as a first day of week
[17:13] <bioterror> instead of sunday
[17:16] <murple> right.... well... I suppose I could just backup the current locale and edit the actual file instead of trying to create and use a separate locale file.
[17:16] <bioterror> :D
[17:16] <bioterror> that's the spirit
[17:21] <murple> hehe.
[17:22] <murple> I also just found a working solution to yesterday's problem: to toggle mute/unmute you can use the accepted answer in this post: http://askubuntu.com/questions/65764/how-do-i-toggle-sound-with-amixer
[17:22] <murple> I'm making progress, allbeit extremely slowly.
[18:27] <bodhi_zazen> bioterror: ping
[18:27] <bioterror> bodhi_zazen, pong
[18:27] <bodhi_zazen> do you have time for a PM ?
[18:28] <bioterror> ofcourse
[18:28] <bioterror> dont hesitate to ping for, just pm and I'll answer ;)
[18:28] <bioterror> dont hesitate to msg me
[18:28] <bioterror> :D
[20:10] <Fleck> hey how do you mount samba share in lubuntu?
[20:10] <Fleck> in gui
[20:10] <Fleck> as user, do not have root
[20:10] <bioterror> smb://computer/share
[20:10] <bioterror> or what you mean
[20:10] <Fleck> i need to mount it
[20:10] <Fleck> clementine doesnt play smb:// files
[20:13] <bioterror> Fleck, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/configure-a-system-to-automount-a-samba-share-with-etcfstab/
[20:13] <Fleck> i said in GUI
[20:16] <bioterror> Fleck, you tell us
[20:17] <bioterror> I would like to know when you find out
[20:18] <bioterror> I'm not sure if you can access those places from ~/.gvfs/
[20:18] <bioterror> yeah
[20:18] <bioterror> check ~/.gvfs/
[20:20] <Fleck> nice, thx! :)
[20:20] <bioterror> that worked?
[20:21] <Fleck> yep
[20:22] <bioterror> good
[20:25] <|johnny|> Hey can you guys help me with an error? I get this error: sumwars: error while loading shared libraries: liblua-5.1.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory yet liblua-5.1 is installed.
[20:26] <|johnny|> For some reason the fix which suggested doing this sed -i 's/liblua5.1.so.0/liblua.so.5.1\x00/g' sumwars doesn't work
[20:27] <bioterror> dpkg -L liblua-5.1 |grep liblua
[20:27] <bioterror> does it list it?
[20:28] <|johnny|> Synaptic says its there
[20:28] <|johnny|> apt-get says it isn't
[20:28] <|johnny|> I'll try apt-get install
[20:28] <|johnny|> odd
[20:29] <|johnny|> E: Unable to locate package liblua-5.1
[20:29] <|johnny|> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'liblua-5.1'
[20:29] <bioterror> apt-cache search liblua
[20:29] <|johnny|> yeah found a few
[20:30] <|johnny|> liblua5.2-0 - Shared library for the Lua interpreter version 5.2
[20:30] <bioterror> so yes, it will not find 5.1.so becouse your system probably has 5.2 :D
[20:30] <|johnny|> Yet apt-get install doesn't see any
[20:31] <|johnny|> E: Unable to locate package liblua-5.2-0
[20:31] <|johnny|> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'liblua-5.2-0'
[20:31] <|johnny|> E: Unable to locate package liblua-5.2
[20:31] <|johnny|> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'liblua-5.2'
[20:31] <|johnny|> Yeah can't seem to find any libluas through apt-get
[20:33] <bioterror> I just logged in
[20:33] <bioterror> and checked
[20:33] <bioterror> liblua5.1-0 - Shared library for the Lua interpreter version 5.1
[20:33] <|johnny|> Yeah found that
[20:33] <|johnny|> Said its installed
[20:33] <|johnny|> But how come the game doesn't see it
[20:34] <bioterror> sad157@starbringer:~% dpkg -L liblua5.1-0|grep .so     .:23:33:45 on 12-05-12:.
[20:34] <|johnny|> liblua5.1-0 is already the newest version.
[20:34] <|johnny|> liblua5.1-0 set to manually installed.
[20:34] <bioterror> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/liblua5.1.so.0
[20:34] <|johnny|> Yet still
[20:34] <|johnny|> johnny@johnny-System-Product-Name:~$ sumwars
[20:34] <|johnny|> sumwars: error while loading shared libraries: liblua-5.1.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:35] <|johnny|> really weird
[20:35] <bioterror> nice computer name :D
[20:35] <|johnny|> thanx lol I never filled it in
[20:35] <|johnny|> I usually put homepc
[20:35] <bioterror> would be nice to know where it tries to find it
[20:36] <bioterror> I dont have sumwars on repositories
[20:36] <|johnny|> Someone else got a similar error with a doom game
[20:36] <bioterror> you have compiled it yourself?
[20:36] <|johnny|> I was reading this
[20:36] <|johnny|> http://forum.chaosforge.org/index.php?topic=5017.0
[20:37] <|johnny|> No I didn't want to take chances just in case I had to remove packages. So I converted from rpm to deb using alien.
[20:37] <|johnny|> Because I couldn't find a deb of summoning wars
[20:37] <bioterror> oh dear
[20:37] <bioterror> you could ln -s that .so.0 file into just .so
[20:38] <bioterror> right?
[20:39] <|johnny|> Hmm haven't tried that. I did try the sed command
[20:39] <|johnny|> and it said it couldn't find sumwars
[20:39] <|johnny|> johnny@johnny-System-Product-Name:~$ sed -i 's/liblua5.1.so.0/liblua.so.5.1\x00/g' sumwars
[20:39] <|johnny|> sed: can't read sumwars: No such file or directory
[20:40] <|johnny|> But the thing is that sumwars can be typed from the command prompt
[20:40] <|johnny|> So its obviously there somewhere
[20:40] <|johnny|> ./sumwars doesn't work but sumwars does
[20:42] <|johnny|> hmm let me see where sumwars is located
[20:42] <|johnny|> Prob somewhere in /usr/bin
[20:42] <|johnny|> Or something
[20:42] <|johnny|> yup I was right
[20:43] <|johnny|> Hmm well that didn't do any good
[20:44] <|johnny|> This seemed to go through: sudo sed -i 's/liblua5.1.so.0/liblua.so.5.1\x00/g' /usr/bin/sumwars
[20:44] <|johnny|> Yet still the same error
[20:47] <|johnny|> I think I have it wrong maybe?
[20:47] <|johnny|> sudo sed -i 's/liblua-5.1.so.0/liblua-5.1.so\x00/g' /usr/bin/sumwars
[20:47] <|johnny|> Maybe should be the opposite?
[20:48] <|johnny|> ah ok that worked
[20:48] <|johnny|> But now I got this
[20:49] <|johnny|> johnny@johnny-System-Product-Name:/usr/bin$ sumwars
[20:49] <|johnny|> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[20:49] <bioterror> :D
[20:49] <bioterror> that's what you get when you play with .rpm's
[20:49] <|johnny|> Meh well least I know I was on the right path somewhat
[20:49] <|johnny|> Got all the dependencies solved
[20:50] <bioterror> :D
[20:50] <|johnny|> Now its a matter of finding a deb
[20:50] <bioterror> remove that symlink you made
[20:50] <|johnny|> Ooh yeah I made a couple of symlinks
[20:50] <bioterror> remove that summoning wars package with apt-get purge
[20:50] <bioterror> grab 0.5.6 or something tar.gz
[20:50] <bioterror> compile it
[20:50] <bioterror> and install it with the "checkinstall"
[20:50] <|johnny|> ahh
[20:50] <bioterror> apt-cache show checkinstall
[20:51] <bioterror> after make
[20:51] <bioterror> you do checkinstall
[20:51] <|johnny|> How would I remove each symlink?
[20:51] <bioterror> it will create a .deb file and install it
[20:52] <|johnny|> ahh so each symlink I made even the correct ones have to be taken away
[20:52] <|johnny|> With rm -f
[20:53] <|johnny|> ah ok
[20:53] <|johnny|> sudo rm -f 's/liblua-5.1.so/liblua-5.1.so.0\x00/g' /usr/bin/sumwars
[20:58] <|johnny|> ok now
[20:58] <|johnny|> I'll install checkinstall
[21:19] <|johnny|> bioterror, so I would go ./configure, then make, then checkinstall?
[21:30] <bioterror> yes
[21:30] <bioterror> you got it right
[21:32] <|johnny|> bioterror, one thing though
[21:32] <|johnny|> Theres no way to config that way and the command they give you doesn't work
[21:33] <|johnny|> They say to do this
[21:33] <|johnny|> cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
[21:33] <|johnny|> make
[21:33] <|johnny|> sudo make install
[21:33] <|johnny|> However
[21:34] <bioterror> and you dont want to make install
[21:34] <bioterror> you want to checkinstall
[21:34] <|johnny|> ahh ok
[21:36] <|johnny|> says I need something called OGRE
[21:36] <|johnny|> and it gives me a repo but I don't know how to add it lol
[21:36] <|johnny|> Its just a link
[21:36] <|johnny|> Doesn't say ppa or anything
[21:36] <zleap> you should be able to add custom repositories
[21:37] <|johnny|> Ogre 1.7 and CEGUI 0.7 are not included in the standard repositories for Ubuntu yet. But you may get them from this additional repo:
[21:37] <|johnny|> https://launchpad.net/~andrewfenn/+archive/ogredev
[21:38] <|johnny|> But when I try to add it through Software Sources in the Other Software Add option it isn't letting me
[21:38] <|johnny|> Says apt line
[21:38] <|johnny|> So I type deb https://launchpad.net/~andrewfenn/+archive/ogredev
[21:38] <|johnny|> and add source doesn't light up
[21:38] <|johnny|> For some reason
[21:39] <bioterror> !ppa
[21:39] <bioterror> !addppa | |johnny|
[21:41] <|johnny|> ok got it
[21:41] <|johnny|> I just had to go to the link this guy gave
[21:41] <|johnny|> the ppa is there
[21:41] <|johnny|> ppa:andrewfenn/ogredev
[21:41] <|johnny|> Thats what I'm adding
[21:42] <|johnny|> yay worked
[21:43] <|johnny|> ugh
[21:43] <|johnny|> Says not found
[21:43] <|johnny|> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/andrewfenn/ogredev/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[21:44] <|johnny|> :(
[21:52] <bioterror> nice
[21:52] <naxil> hello
[21:52] <naxil> i need a little help
[21:52] <naxil> i want install ubuntu without any gui.. just prompt linux for use it with VMWARE
[21:53] <naxil> i need linux prompt for compile some program
[21:53] <|johnny|> shows it there
[21:53] <|johnny|> https://launchpad.net/~andrewfenn/+archive/ogredev
[21:53] <|johnny|> Weird
[21:53] <|johnny|> I could always just look for an OGRE deb in files somewhere
[21:56] <bioterror> naxil, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[21:56] <bioterror> naxil, or take amd64
[21:57] <bioterror> what ever you want
[22:03] <|johnny|> bioterror, I got a deb of libogre
[22:03] <|johnny|> But its not telling me which dependencies it needs really
[22:03] <|johnny|> and when it installs, it is broken
[22:03] <naxil> bioterror is install iso?
[22:03] <|johnny|> I see this
[22:03] <|johnny|> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libogremain-1.6.4
[22:03] <|johnny|> Which lists all its depends
[22:03] <naxil> after i launch mini iso i can install without kde?
[22:04] <|johnny|> Problem is some I can't even get
[22:05] <|johnny|> ooh ok
[22:05] <|johnny|> Theres a version in there already apparently
[22:08] <bioterror> naxil, mini is just command prompt
[22:08] <bioterror> naxil, no graphical environments
[22:08] <bioterror> naxil, just plain ubuntu base installation
[22:08] <|johnny|> Hmm ok it got that one
[22:08] <|johnny|> now for libois
[22:08] <bioterror> it's the most minimalistic installation you could have
[22:08] <bioterror> |johnny|, that game better be good
[22:08] <|johnny|> It looks good bioterror
[22:09] <|johnny|> Its supposed to be a diablo 1 clone
[22:09] <bioterror> only a Linux user is dreaming about playing a Diablo 1 clone when Diablo III is right there behind a corner
[22:09] <|johnny|> lol
[22:14] <|johnny|> ok finally built
[22:14] <|johnny|> now make
[22:15] <|johnny|> then check install
[22:18] <|johnny|> bioterror its actually here http://sumwars.org/wiki/Main_Page
[22:18] <|johnny|> It just looked very interesting
[22:18] <|johnny|> but yeah thats what I'm installing
[22:30] <|johnny|> Segmentation Fault again
[22:30] <|johnny|> :(
[22:31] <|johnny|> hang on
[22:31] <|johnny|> Let me show you in pastebin
[22:32] <|johnny|> http://pastebin.com/avNKWyaa
[22:33] <|johnny|> Something is up with Ogre I guess
[22:36] <|johnny|> Ooh I think I see why
[22:40] <|johnny|> trying to build again
[22:43] <|johnny|> Ohh during make this happens. Not sure why
[22:44] <|johnny|> What does this mean
[22:44] <|johnny|> http://pastebin.com/QijMn2xH
[22:52] <MrChrisDruif>  /* Public announcement*/ Tonight Lubuntu has made a computer usable again. 12.04 installation went like a charm. That's all.
[23:35] <bioterror> did I really remember how forwarding works :D


[00:51] <willwh> hey guys
[00:51] <willwh> if anyone is still up
[00:52] <willwh> I have a REALLY old canon scanner; Bus 002 Device 004: ID 04a9:220d Canon, Inc. CanoScan N670U/N676U/LiDE 20
[00:52] <willwh> (it's a LiDE 20)
[00:52] <willwh> it's worked np up to 13.10, I just upgraded my laptop to 14.04, and no dice
[00:53] <willwh> if I put simple-scan in debug, I see some strange things
[00:53] <willwh> xsane doesn't work either
[00:53] <willwh> so I'm not sure where to file a bug in launchpad :\
[00:53] <willwh> I mean - to be fair, Canon themselves are not making win8 drivers for that scanner
[01:03] <willwh> I'll file it against simplescan again, not sure where else to stick it
[01:03] <willwh> :)
[02:02] <BobJonkman1> Hi willwh: I think my dad has that model scanner. I just upgraded him from WinXP to Linux Mint Debian Edition, but never did try to scan.
[02:02] <BobJonkman1> I'll see him this weekend and try it out, let you know the results
[15:52] <Seven_Six_Two> Are loco dvd packs being fulfilled by Promese Netherlands BV?
[16:07] <willwh> BobJonkman: cool :)
[16:07] <willwh> I didn't file anything last night, I fell asleep
[16:07] <willwh> sold my house on Wednesday and I think my body just said "bye bye stress...........SLEEEP"
[16:08] <willwh> face down at my desk the last 2 nights at about 21:00
[16:08] <willwh> haha


[09:42] <himadrispandya> Hi, I'm trying install mainline 5.9. kernel with a patch for scheduler on ubuntu 20.04 running on an amd ryzen (zen2 arch) hardware. I've installed and tested the same custom kernel on multiple intel machines running with debian and arch linux. But I'm running into build errors on this machine. I'm referring to this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/GitKernelBuild tutorial and getting error "cannot represent change
[09:45] <himadrispandya> Earlier I was also getting error "cannot represent change to vmlinux-gdb.py". I got rid of it by deleting the vmlinux-gdb.py file.
[09:50] <himadrispandya> If I don't use deb-pkg, my kernel compiles without any error. I can also install it by doing modules_install followed by a make_install after turning the secure boot off. But then it fails to boot with errors like "Out of memory" & "vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0)"
[12:34] <bittin> Hello anyone packing the kernel updates that released an hour ago?
[12:41] <klebers> bittin, hi. Which kernel updates are you referring to?
[13:52] <bittin> klebers: https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v5.x/ChangeLog-5.11.16 and https://cdn.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v5.x/ChangeLog-5.10.32
[13:53] <bittin> ah i see they are up now
[13:55] <bittin> installing and trying now
[13:55] <bittin> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.11.16/
[14:00] <bittin> could not compile the ZFS modules :(


[00:07] <jnpr> rhythmbox has stopped using the top-corner notifications, and started giving popup windows
[00:08] <jnpr> how or where do i start to try to fix this?
[00:09] <jnpr> like, when a song changes, a little warning window pops up
[00:09] <jnpr> i have no idea how this happened.
[00:10] <jnpr> i've poked in rhythm box settings, but doesn't seem like there's anything there
[12:24] <redblade7> hi
[12:24] <redblade7> i heard that the ubuntu installer for the next version was getting rid of the swap partition for a swap file
[12:24] <redblade7> is that true, and will xubuntu do the same?
[16:33] <xon00> ?
[17:22] <BadGuyAlex> hello
[17:23] <BadGuyAlex> checking out xubuntu and configuring IRC account in Pidgin. There's irc.ubuntu.com given by default (wow, ubuntu has its own IRC server!)
[17:24] <BadGuyAlex> and guess what? irc.ubuntu.com is the same as chat.freenode.net, except the certificate is not valid.
[20:07] <xubuntu07w> hi?
[20:07] <xubuntu07w> I need help
[20:08] <bekks> !ask
[20:10] <xubuntu07w> when i try to install xubuntu it says that it couldn't install grub
[20:16] <xubuntu70w> Hi. Can I copy the xubuntu ISO to a NTFS partition and boot from there? AFAIR KNOPPIX had / has such an option...
[20:38] <xubuntu07w> i have installed xubuntu and the wifi doesn't work, it doesn't appear any aditional driver and i tried to rfkill unlock all.
[22:22] <xangua> You mean it doesn't appear after suspend? Or doesn't work at all