[00:23] <Master666> siqnofzeta this is what I typed so far, I am not an advanced user so please advise me how to install.   apt update Hit:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net/micahflee/ppa/ubuntu focal InRelease
[00:23] <Master666> Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security InRelease [107 kB]
[00:23] <Master666> Ign:3 http://ppa.launchpad.net/upubuntu-com/tor/ubuntu focal InRelease
[00:23] <Master666> Hit:4 http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal InRelease
[00:23] <Master666> Hit:5 http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates InRelease
[00:23] <Master666> Hit:6 http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-backports InRelease
[00:25] <signofzeta> Master666, I don't see a torproject.org line in there.  did you add the correct repo?
[00:26] <Bashing-om> !paste | Master666 So we see all in context:
[00:27] <signofzeta> Actually, Master666, those directions are out of date.  Does your Tor work at all?
[00:28] <signofzeta> If not, run this: sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org/ focal main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tor.list'
[00:29] <signofzeta> Or, if your Tor is working, `apt install apt-transport-tor` and replace your sources.list.d/tor with the line: deb tor://sdscoq7snqtznauu.onion/torproject.org focal main
[00:30] <signofzeta> I use Tor to update Tor, myself, but I recognize that's a chicken and egg setup.
[00:37] <Master666> siqnofzeta this is what I did in terminal, please advise what I am doing wrong? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DNKPyVgTy4/plain/
[00:37] <oerheks> nobody gave upubuntu as source..
[00:38] <oerheks> from... 2015 ??? https://launchpad.net/~upubuntu-com/+archive/ubuntu/tor-bundle
[00:38] <oerheks> dang that is old
[00:38] <signofzeta> I'm not familiar with UpUbuntu, either.  I found (better) directions at https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/tor
[00:38] <signofzeta> Sorry for the first link -- that was a little old, too.
[00:39] <oerheks> only follow the tor site instructions
[00:39] <Bashing-om> Master666: ^^ also "  13 not upgraded." - what results - sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' ?
[00:39] <signofzeta> i set it up a few weeks ago, and promptly forgot how I did it.
[00:42] <oerheks> !tor
[03:07] <dw1> notify-send doesnt work in 20.04?
[03:08] <dw1> oh just not in screen
[03:09] <dw1> after sudo -s
[03:09] <dw1> even though DISPLAY is set
[03:15] <dw1> xeyes works fine.
[03:18] <dw1> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28195805/running-notify-send-as-root
[04:10] <hotsoup> hello all. I have a permission problem I am trying to work out.  I am trying to change the group on a folder owned by root.  sudo chgrp -R medialib /medialib doesn't work  When I su Root (the account that owns the directory) The command fails with "Operation not permitted"  I thought Root was all powerful. What am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated.
[04:15] <rfm> hotsoup, what file system type is /medialib?  ("mount | grep /medialib" to check)
[04:17] <hotsoup> /dev/sdb2 on /medialib type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,x-gvfs-show)
[04:17] <hotsoup> formatted as exfat
[04:20] <rfm> hotsoup, ok then.  exfat doesn't support unix file ownership (since it's a windows file system.)  you want to change the user id in the mount from 0 to the userid you want shown.  Unfortunately I don't know how to do that since you're apparently having gvfs mount it and I don't understand that at all...
[04:25] <rfm> hotsoup, here's a stackexchange post that shows and example of how to mount it via fstab, specifying uid=   https://askubuntu.com/questions/923691/ownership-permission-problem-with-automounting-exfat-drive
[04:26] <pavlos> hotsoup: do you have a group called medialib ?
[04:28] <pavlos> hotsoup: changed recursively the files inside /medialib to belong to group cento, https://imgur.com/a/wBjzORj
[04:52] <hotsoup> Thanks for the note about issues with exfat. My TV's only support NTFS / fat32 or exfat. Figured that was the lesser of three evils. I have to read the stack exchange to figure out if its a filesystem change or some fstab fu I need to workout
[06:20] <Diezel> Hi folks, my laptop screen stays on using an external display on my Thinkpad with dock. Not a huge issue, but the mousepointer shows as well so I'm worried it will burn in
[06:21] <Diezel> xrandr does not detect the laptop screen either, nor does nvidia-settings
[06:21] <Diezel> wondering if anyone seen something like this and knows how to kill the laptop screen
[06:22] <dw1> not really a solution but you could decrease brightness to 0
[06:24] <Diezel> Apfound someone else having similar issues, apparently it's the Xorg.conf that nvidia-settings creates that creates the issue. I'll delete it reboot and see what happens.
[06:25] <dw1> "The problem was the VGA cable, I thought it should make two displays but instead, it was doubling the display"
[06:26] <dw1> " In Settings>Devices>Displays what is selected? "Join Displays" or "Mirror" or "Single Display""
[06:28] <leden> Diezel: fon't delete just rename it
[06:28] <leden> f/don't
[06:28] <Diezel> renaming the xorg.conf from nvidia-settings solved it. dw1 there was only one display visible, so no way to do anything else than single display
[06:29] <dw1> cool
[06:30] <Diezel> must have been an update to the nvidia stuff, oh well. Works fine now
[08:30] <LordChaos> Hi guys, what's the main reason TB 78 is not in the repos? Known bugs?
[08:31] <borisrunak> Hello!
[08:32] <LordChaos> Hi borisrunak
[08:41] <ThinkT510> LordChaos: isn't there backwards incompatible changes? you can't upgrade without losing data
[08:42] <ThinkT510> !latest | LordChaos
[08:43] <LordChaos> ThinkT510: I was not aware about the compability issues, thanks
[08:44] <ThinkT510> LordChaos: they mention it in the release notes, hence a new big version number
[08:45] <ThinkT510> certainly something you wouldn't want updating automatically
[08:45] <ThinkT510> you'd probably need to export your emails then reimport them
[08:46] <ThinkT510> backups are always a prudent measure
[09:05] <Furai> Did default umask change on ubuntu 20.04 desktop?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> LordChaos: snap info thunderbird
[09:08] <thms0> Hi. I have a CIFS mount that works when I "sudo mount". I would like Nautilus / user to be able to mount it. My research tells me there is a "user" option to add to /etc/fstab but it seems to be missing in ubuntu Focal. When I add it it says "wrong option". Any idea how I can mount the CIFS folder without having to run sudo mount in the terminal ?
[09:31] <k_sze> And now I get a pop up telling me I can upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04.1. I just don't know whether that's a good idea, given the complaints I've seen about the move of packages to Snap.
[09:34] <computer2000> Hi all. I need to setup a mini pc for an outdoor vistor kiosk application that should just show one electron chromium app that lets the user browse through a static website and watch some mp4 videos. Is Ubuntu Server with NODM and OpenBox a good choice for this?
[09:39] <jelly> k_sze, you'll have 18.04 supported until 2023-ish, but eh.  If I want to run a recent remmina on 18.04 I have to use snaps right now.  And regular upgrades installed snapd & friends on my 18.04  already
[09:39] <jelly> even if I didn't ask them to
[09:40] <jelly> so I guess you won't see much difference there
[09:40] <jelly> k_sze, did you manage to have workstations on bionic without snapd being pushed on you?
[09:40] <mgedmin> thms0: pastebin your /etc/fstab and the error you get?
[09:41] <k_sze> jelly, I forget. I think I have always had snapd.
[09:41] <jelly> I've upgraded this particular installation from 14.04 -> 16.04 -> 18.04, and I'm pretty sure snapd got installed only during 18.04 lifetime
[09:42] <k_sze> well, yes, snapd comes by default in 18.04
[09:42] <lxusr50> k sze, I'm pretty sure snap was introduced after the 16.04 LTS.
[09:42] <jelly> then you're already seeing the boot slowdown and all the bad snapd things.  Might as well do a release upgrade to get all the shiny new things.
[09:42] <lxusr50> If you are just running the desktop version it probably won't be much of an issue.
[09:43] <mgedmin> thms0: although you don't need anything in /etc/fstab to mount CIFS shares in Nautilus; you can navigate to 'Other locations' and find the Windows network there (or Ctrl+L and smb://server/share/)
[09:43] <lxusr50> I am not a fan of having updateds forced but there is some control allowed to have the updates happen in a window of your choice.
[09:43] <mgedmin> k_sze: you can't stop progress by ignoring it; sooner or later you'll have to upgrade
[09:44] <lxusr50> I think with all the grumbling about forced updates we will eventually see a user option to control updates.
[09:44] <mgedmin> k_sze: my approach is to upgrade early, test new technologies, and file bugs so the rough edges can get a chance of getting fixed sooner rather than later
[09:45] <mgedmin> the snapification of chromium has some rough edges (like webdriver plain doesn't work in wayland sessions), but on the whole it's usable
[09:45] <mgedmin> the most annoying part was loss of session/history if snap refresh upgrades the browser and you don't restart immediately, but I think that's fixed in the latest snaps
[09:46] <k_sze> ahahahaha, that's so horrible.
[09:46] <mgedmin> the next most annoying part is probably the inability of opening html files in /tmp
[09:46] <k_sze> due to sandboxing?
[09:46] <mgedmin> yeah, the snap container gets a tmpfs on its /tmp, so it can't see the real one
[09:47] <thms0> mgedmin: http://termbin.com/bkn9 this is my fstab. I get "operation permitted for root only" by Nautilus.
[09:47] <mgedmin> basically I started to use firefox for this use case; I'm not sure what I'll do if they snapify firefox in a future ubuntu release
[09:47] <mgedmin> thms0: there's no 'user' in the options field for //marjorie/docs
[09:49] <thms0> mgedmin: if I add it it says "mount error(22): Invalid argument" (http://termbin.com/vzib)
[09:50] <thms0> ha... solved. "defaults" does not work for CIFS subsystems!
[09:51] <mgedmin> huh!  defaults is an alias for 'rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,nouser,async'
[09:51] <mgedmin> maybe it didn't like both user and nouser
[09:51] <thms0> The dmesg said: "Unknown mount option: defaults"
[09:52] <mgedmin> that is weird
[09:53] <thms0> I will fiddle arount to see. Spent 1 hour on this already, will check this later. Thanks for your help :)
[09:57] <nuala> hello quick help? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-installation-on-computers-running-windows-and-bitlocker-turned-on/15338  second option: 'Decide that the data stored in Windows is not important, and that you are willing to overwrite the data contents.'
[09:57] <nuala> thats basically erease windows and install ubuntu only aye?
[09:59] <nuala> (I want dual boot: so assuming bitlocker to turn of just double checking)
[09:59] <Furai> Did default umask change on ubuntu 20.04 desktop? For some reason I have 002 instead of the usual 022.
[10:16] <frad> trying to use Internet I got this message: (nm-applet:1658): gtk-warning: can´t set a parent on widget which has a parent nm-applet-message: IP:IP:IP:IP: No keyring secrets found for NETWORK-wireless-security; asking user.          (nm-applet:1656): gtk-critical **: IP:IP:IP:IP: gtk_widget_destroy: assertion GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget) failed
[10:16] <frad> im writting from another computer
[10:57] <akem> Hi, is there a multi language word translator for Ubuntu?
[10:57] <akem> Kinda like google translate but offline.
[11:11] <EvilKittyBoi> any reason why despite specifying to install openjdk-8-jre and openjdk-8-jdk in ubuntu I keep getting v11 installed?
[11:20] <DarkTrick> I get about 1 to 2 "Ubuntu detected a problem, send/don't send" messages. But the message keeps quiet about what actually happened. How do I find out which component crashed?
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: crashes goto /var/crash
[11:22] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, no crash file in there. Perhaps the "Problem" is not a crash then?
[11:23] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: isn't there a little triangle you can click to expand the details?
[11:23] <DarkTrick> no, not in that one
[11:23] <DarkTrick> I know there are some, that have one, but not this one
[11:23] <mgedmin> weird
[11:24] <mgedmin> anything interesting in journalctl?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: screenshot?
[11:25] <DarkTrick> Doesn't look like too me: https://pastebin.com/5p3ALY3f
[11:25] <DarkTrick> ah! maybe it's the updater!
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: your kernel looks outdated, wich ubuntu release is that?
[11:26] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, https://imgur.com/a/1WFow3K
[11:26] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, general xubuntu 20.04
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> kernel should be 5.4 -48
[11:27] <DarkTrick> Hmm.. the message has the same icon as gDebi
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: pastebin: dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[11:28] <DarkTrick> https://pastebin.com/2J2dgsze
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: boot into 5.4 -48 please and come back after reboot
[11:30] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, I don't understand what's going on here. uname tells me I'm on 48
[11:30] <DarkTrick> 5.4.0-48-generic #52-Ubuntu SMP Thu Sep 10 10:58:49 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: wich command did you request for previous journal?
[11:32] <neure> hi
[11:32] <neure> is there something like wget but with ability to cache repeated downloads for same URL?
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: anyhow, you might need to clean your kernel list a bit; sudo apt autoremove
[11:50] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, sorry, I needed to focus on some writing
[11:51] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, when I start autoremove it does not offer me to remove old kernels
[11:52] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, wht did you mean by "previous journal"?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:57] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: the pastebin, how did you get it?
[11:57] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: because if that's the first N lines of journalctl output, it could be something from a previous boot that happened weeks ago
[11:57] <mgedmin> (assuming ubuntu enables persistent journal these days)
[11:58] <mgedmin> autoremove doesn't remove _all_ old kernels: it always keeps at least one spare, in case the latest one gets corrupted somehow
[12:03] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, I just pastebin-ed the output of journalctl?
[12:03] <DarkTrick> s/?/
[12:03] <mgedmin> that's too short to be the entire output of journalctl
[12:04] <DarkTrick> taaaaaaaaaah
[12:04] <mgedmin> counting just the current boot, journalctl -b 0|wc -l says I have 32621 lines in my journal
[12:04] <mgedmin> (uptime is 6 days)
[12:04] <DarkTrick> The window was too low on my screen I couldn't see the line counting :/
[12:04] <mgedmin> usually journalctl -e is a good command: it shows the last 1000 lines, and focuses at the end
[12:05] <mgedmin> because usually you're interested in things that have just happened
[12:05] <mgedmin> sometimes 1000 lines is not enough, and then I go to journalctl -b 0, to show everything since last reboot
[12:05] <mgedmin> journalctl | wl -l says I have 2 million lines of logs in my persistent journal
[12:06] <mgedmin> "Logs begin at Thu 2019-11-21"
[12:11] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, helpful information!
[12:11] <DarkTrick> Here's the correct time of journalctl: https://pastebin.com/09yfiw0L
[12:12] <DarkTrick> I can't really make sense of it ( <=> understand which of those things could be harmful)
[12:18] <mgedmin> looks like normal chatter mostly
[12:18] <mgedmin> this line is interesting:
[12:18] <mgedmin> > 10月 06 20:19:00 myuser sudo[204859]:   myuser : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/var/crash ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/apport-unpack _usr_lib_xorg_Xorg.0.crash xorg_crash_during_firefox_icognito_easystroke2
[12:18] <mgedmin> apport is the program that displays those "report a problem?" dialogs
[12:19] <mgedmin> and here it's processing an Xorg crash file?
[12:19] <mgedmin> otoh it's a message from sudo, and it feels like something you ran yourself
[12:20] <mgedmin> but it could be that when you press 'report a problem', apport runs that sudo command on your behalf
[12:20] <mgedmin> so I don't know
[12:22] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, thank you very much for checking! That one line was run by me (different bug)
[12:22] <DarkTrick> Oh
[12:23] <DarkTrick> I just figured it's the update notifier, that displays the message
[12:23] <DarkTrick> just accidentally saw it in the Alt+Tab switcher
[12:23] <mgedmin> update notifier needs a UI refresh badly :/
[12:23] <mgedmin> it looks and feels like something designed in 2008
[12:24] <DarkTrick> Sorry for the hassle (also lotuspsychje). I should've seen it earlier.
[12:29] <rneese> morning guys/gals
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: eek your journal spits a lot of errors
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: can we see your dmesg in a paste please?
[12:34] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, I guess you're talking about the ATOMIC stuff? That's in there since I installed Ubuntu a 2(?) years ago
[12:38] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: probably, those aren't normal and should not be there.
[12:40] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, I was searching the net a couple of times. It seems like this is around for a long time (at least 2 years), but apparently nobody really cares ... lol?
[12:40] <mgedmin> "situation normal, everything broken"
[12:41] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/HrY6br1t
[12:41] <DarkTrick> dmesg ↑
[12:41] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, I really feel like this for quite a while here :D
[12:42] <DarkTrick> parallel Q2: When there is popup messsage like "problem detected", does any (which) component (xorg? gtk?) knows that window is actually a popup window? Or does it just looks like a modal window?
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: yea, thats not gonna be helpful, there's so many atomic errors you cant read the rest lol
[12:43] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: looks like a suspend/resume related issue. do you see those "[drm:intel_pipe_update_end [i915]] *ERROR* Atomic update failure on pipe" messages when you did a full reboot?
[12:43] <mgedmin> I have intel drm atomic pipe update failure messages too; I haven't ever noticed any correlation with visual glitcher or anything
[12:43] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, no visual glitches here, either
[12:44] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, I can't tell for sure without rebooting
[12:44] <DarkTrick> sec
[12:48] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: journalctl -b -1 | grep -E '( kernel: (Linux version|Command line:)|Atomic update failure on pipe) ' | head | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:48] <tomreyn> this should tell how soon after booting you got to see those messages
[12:52] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, it show a time way after my first boot.
[12:52]  * DarkTrick reboots
[12:53] <blocked_mysql> hi
[12:54] <wyoung> hi
[12:54] <blocked_mysql> i have in mariadb of ubuntu 20.04 all time this message ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[12:55] <blocked_mysql> i have tried with that solution but nothing https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21944936/error-1045-28000-access-denied-for-user-rootlocalhost-using-password-y
[12:55] <blocked_mysql> mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables doesn't work
[12:55] <blocked_mysql> after it happens the same
[12:56] <DarkTrick> hm... 3 minutes for a reboot. faster than expected
[12:57] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, checking dmesg again, I got them 40 seconds after boot
[12:59] <tomreyn> blocked_mysql: try authenticating without providing a password (omit -p). if this doesn't work, do the same as root.
[12:59] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: so not suspend related. hmm, ok
[13:00] <tomreyn> or did you do something triggering power saving?
[13:00] <tomreyn> like closing the lid etc,
[13:00] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, no. menu -> shutdown -> restart
[13:00] <tomreyn> i mean after rebooting
[13:00] <DarkTrick> no
[13:00] <DarkTrick> lid is always closed
[13:01] <bendman_> is there a specific project for the "Ubuntu Software" application? I'd like to report a bug or get started on an improvement if it's something I can handle.
[13:02] <DarkTrick> bendman_, tbh, I think a rewrite / completely new design :D I already gave up on it :D
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: we advice before filing bugs, ask your issue here first, volunteers might know existing bugs
[13:02] <tomreyn> DarkTrick: i see. i don't have time to look into this more now. but check whether you have any kernel command line options which could trigger this (cat /proc/cmdline) and see whether firmware updates are available ( journalctl -b | grep DMI: )
[13:03] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, thank you for your help so far!
[13:03] <DarkTrick> nice hint btw
[13:04] <DarkTrick> vmlinuz-5.4.0-49-generic root=UUID=[BLA] ro acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" pci=nomsi acpi_osi=Linuxs resume UUID=[BLAH]
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> DarkTrick: bit all weird, you have no crash logs, no decent dmesg to read, no working autoremove kernels,...
[13:05] <bendman_> Is the "Ubuntu Software" app not the recommended software store anymore? I've heard of the snap store - is that the same thing?
[13:06] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje Hm... I didn't tweak the system afaik. Perhaps to the extend of some try-and-error to enable hibernation a while ago
[13:06] <tomreyn> acpi_osi=Linuxs    looks wrong, especially if combined with     acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2015"
[13:07] <tomreyn> and dont use pci=nomsi if you dont have to
[13:07] <tomreyn> but i got to go, ttyl
[13:07] <DarkTrick> tomreyn, bye :)
[13:13] <mgedmin> bendman_: Ubuntu Software is snap-store
[13:13] <mgedmin> in 20.04
[13:14] <mgedmin> it's a snapified build of gnome-software with some plugins (snap) enabled and other plugins (flatpak) disabled
[13:14] <mgedmin> snap info snap-store gives me this bug URL: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/
[13:16] <bendman_> mgedmin: thanks for the clarification
[13:17] <bendman_> lotuspsychje: I found a pretty annoying bug and a few UI suggestions with the snap store, but the most critical one I think is that scrolling is _extremely_ laggy when viewing a category.
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: i think there are already busg for that, does it influence how big the category is; aka loading a lot of software?
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> *bugs
[13:18] <DarkTrick> awesome! Thank you tomreyn! After reboot no ATOMC-error messages. (I will see if my hibernate is affected by that in the future)
[13:21] <DarkTrick> lotuspsychje, mgedmin: Thank you very much for your help as well. After this last reboot the update-notifier error message didn't show up again. (Maybe because it's already late? Maybe it was related to my "boot line"? I will keep this config and see how things turn out).
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: bug #1868765 for example
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: the games/category is pretty big, lags also around 5sec at my end
[13:28] <xMeia> my tabs open up to the left of my icons in the bar.. I want them to the right of my icons
[13:28] <xMeia> Xubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
[13:46] <bendman_> lotuspsychje: For example the "development" category which has ~107 items is so laggy it feels broken, even after all items are loaded. I'm not sure what is handling rendering here, but I would expect any (especially native, but even something like a webview) rendering engine to support hundreds of items considering how simple each item is.
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: 4sec for me, (on an ssd/i5)
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: what kind of specs are you on?
[13:48] <bendman_> lotuspsychje: What do you mean 4sec? I don't mean to load the page - I mean after the page is loaded it drops many frames when scrolling.
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: you are speaking of the development category, so my ends loads it after 4sec, nothing wrong with rendering here after its loaded
[13:50] <bendman_> lotuspsychje: even while scrolling? it scrolls smoothly up and down?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: well maybe a little when you scroll real fast up and down
[13:52] <bendman_> I'm on 16G of RAM, 2.4Ghz i7 CPU, 1G dedicated graphics memory, and 256G SSD
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: on the games section when i scroll real fast up and down and with an htop, i can make it go 95% cpu so i guess there's improvement needed it the next snap-store versions yeah
[13:54] <bendman_> yeah, I just checked top and I'm regularly at 80% usage from the snap store process when scrolling. I think scrolling a list of preloaded items probably shouldn't bring a modern laptop to it's knees :P
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: agree, on a spinner things might get bottlenecked for sure
[13:55] <bendman_> I'm new to ubuntu contributions, so I'm not sure where to check for issues or to find/work on source code for these things
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: snap bugs goto https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/ as mgedmin adviced
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> !snappy | bendman_ see also
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> and #ubuntu-devel
[14:00] <bendman_> lotuspsychje: thanks for all the help!
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> bendman_: welcome and thank you for reporting this bug up again, it needs more attention
[15:37] <theopensourcerer> At the weekend I upgraded my desktop PC from 18.04 to 20.04. Every morning after power up when I log in, once the desktop loads, any icons on the desktop do not get drawn and all of the launcher buttons do not respond to mouse clicks (nor does the top bar) so I have to CTL+ALT+F5 and login to a shell and reboot. If I move my ~/.config directory out of the way, then the desktop works OK for the rest of that day (sometimes
[15:37] <theopensourcerer> things like Chrome history etc... But the following day, after being powered down i have the same problem when I login in the morning. It's a PITA.
[15:37] <theopensourcerer> How do I go about debugging this?
[15:38] <xdije> hi
[15:38] <xdije> i have samba shares \data and all subdirectories are controlled by groups acl, like \data\folder1 \data\folder2 is there a way to set folder1 and 2 read only from samba level not without changing the share structure as users should still accessing shares from \\server\data\folder1
[15:45] <goddard> hey
[15:56] <luna_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggeZu4yLGw ZFS Dev Summit 2020
[16:37] <pavlos> xdije: can you add, read only = yes in the [data] section in smb.conf and restart samba
[16:38] <xdije> pavlos: data itself is read only as it is controlled by acls,
[17:10] <sqpp> Hi.
[17:10] <sqpp> Does anyone experiencing issues booting groovy?
[17:10] <sqpp> in UEFI mode.
[17:14] <tichun> After waking from suspend laptops keyboard was not responding (e.g. no LED on capslock), mouse pointer was movable but clicking did nothing. Had to power off the device by the power button. Where to get logs from to form a bug report?
[17:15] <mgedmin> journalctl -b -1 -e
[17:16] <mgedmin> "keyboard not responding" has several levels of not responding; it's worth trying Caps Lock as you did, but then also Ctrl+Alt+F1 Ctrl+Alt+F2 to see if vt switching works
[17:16] <rfm> sqpp, groovy still in beta so #ubuntu+1 is where you want to be
[17:16] <sqpp> Understood!
[17:16] <mgedmin> and finally Alt+SysRq+S, U, B to reboot safely after syncing and unmounting filesystems
[17:17] <tichun> Thanks,  will do if that reproduces
[17:17] <mbeierl> ah, yes, the famous Alt+SysRq R-E-I-S-U-B :)
[17:18] <tichun> Well, actually sorry, I'm using mainline kernel so my device works at all, i guess i cannot report that as a bug (kernel 5.8)
[17:18] <mbeierl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses
[17:22] <bulle> Hi, im trying to make ubuntu server make a raid1 uefi partition but it seems for some reason its not doable ?
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> bulle: you might want to try #ubuntu-server
[17:26] <bulle> lotuspsychje: oh didnt know that one exist, thankyou
[18:10] <tichun> Browsing through Ubuntu bugs, I cannot find interesting ones, as most relate to miscellaneous packages of little convergence with Ubuntu. Cannot a lot of weird packages be just pruned. keeping completely essential packages in main repo, and other packages in extension repositories that would have a separate bug trackers etc.?
[18:11] <tichun> 51000 packages most definitely is not a sane number
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> tichun: wich bug are you looking for?
[18:23] <g3poandlsl> I am tryin to determine whether an internal microphone is present on 50+ laptops. Is there a way _other than_ `arecord -l` to list internal input devices?
[18:28] <gnemaben> hi. i am running a live distribution of ubuntu but firefox immediately closes whenever i try to open settings or when i visit certain websites (like wikipedia)
[18:28] <gnemaben> any idea why this might happen? it's not giving me an error
[18:28] <gnemaben> but it's probably crashing anyway
[18:29] <gnemaben> settings, history, anything like that will crash it as well
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> gnemaben: try launching firefox from a terminal to collect errors
[18:29] <gnemaben> ok
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> gnemaben: also open a journalctl -f
[18:30] <gnemaben> uhm, wow. i can't open a terminal either
[18:31] <gnemaben> oh, and sometimes the whole session will crash
[18:31] <gnemaben> and i have to log back in as a live session user
[18:31] <gnemaben> so something other than firefox is wrong that's probably causing all of this
[18:31] <gnemaben> but it's hard to investigate if i can't even open a damn terminal
[18:35] <gnemaben> are live linuxes known to be problematic like this?
[18:35] <bulle> gnemaben: no you should definitively be able to open a terminal
[18:36] <gnemaben> i see it saying terminal in the top left corner of the screen for a split second and it immediately goes away
[18:36] <gnemaben> the actual window is never rendered
[18:36] <gnemaben> can't open other things such as a system monitor ether
[18:37] <gnemaben> it's ubuntu 20.04, btw
[18:37] <gnemaben> maybe it's having serious issues with my hardware or something
[18:37] <gnemaben> i've been using this machine just fine from windows but... yeah
[18:38] <gnemaben> i tried a live debian too. wouldn't recognize my mouse
[18:38] <bulle> gnemaben: if several different live setups dont work on hardware A, but works well with hardware B in windows
[18:39] <bulle> or, just dont work well on hardware A with linux, but works well with hardware A and windows
[18:39] <bulle> well then, you have already narrowed it down
[18:39] <gnemaben> yes. guessing linuxes don't really support this laptop
[18:40] <bulle> gnemaben: new or old laptop ?
[18:40] <tatertots> gnemaben: common denominator(s) are that specific computer .....and you
[18:40] <gnemaben> idk. i've had it for about one year
[18:40] <gnemaben> it has an i7, a gtx 1050. but i mostly use it for work
[18:41] <bulle> i have had nothing but trouble with my i7 1065G7 based laptop in linux
[18:41] <tatertots> gnemaben: do you own more than one computer?...Rule out 1of2 of those common denominators by using the LiveDVD/LiveUSB on a different PC
[18:42] <gnemaben> i do own several computers, yes. but i don't have access to any of them other than this laptop at this very moment
[18:43] <tatertots> gnemaben: you'll just be chasing your own tail in circles unless those two common denominators are ruled out.
[18:43] <tatertots> gnemaben: try not to get too dizzy LMAO
[18:44] <gnemaben> i expect the live usb does work on other machines. i just wrote the official image
[18:44] <gnemaben> maybe not, but the chances are slim
[18:44]  * WaltS48 is testing the Thunderbird 78.3.2 release candidate now. Hope we see 68.12.1 in the repo soon. :)
[18:44] <gnemaben> i'd expect it not to work at all rather than to work shittly
[18:45] <tatertots> they say repeating the same thing, while expecting a different result or out come is the clinical definition of....nevermind
[18:46] <Habbie> tatertots, science?
[18:47] <gnemaben> "they say repeating the same thing" is a good indication of illiteracy :)
[18:48] <g3poandlsl> gnemaben, can you access another console with CTRL+ALT+F{1..7}?
[18:48] <gnemaben> no, i tried that. i just get the cursor in the left corner of the screen and nothing else
[18:50] <pavlos> gnemaben: how much ram on the system?
[18:50] <gnemaben> 8 gb
[18:50] <tatertots> round..and round..and round
[18:50] <tatertots> lol
[18:51] <pavlos> gnemaben: you're running a live ubuntu 20.04 and terminal/FF wont start?
[18:52] <gnemaben> tatertots: let me help you read the situation as i see you are having some problems with it. i've explained the situation and have been answering people's questions since. you seem quite unintelligent with your remarks that are only meant to make you shine although... it's not working out at all.
[18:53] <gnemaben> so maybe keep quiet because you are embarrassing yourself.
[18:53] <gnemaben> pavlos: yes
[18:53] <hggdh> tatertots, gnemaben: let's keep it civel, please
[18:53] <gnemaben> agreed.
[18:54] <tatertots> unintelligent people don't bring up terms like "common denominator" with folk that don't seem "cognitive" of the term
[18:54] <hggdh> tatertots: enough
[18:54] <tatertots> hope "cognitive" isn't too big a word
[18:54] <gnemaben> yes, it is quite the accomplishment to know what a common denominator is. how did you achieve this level of intelligence?
[18:55] <gnemaben> and how are you not using it and misreading the situation saying i am repeating something and expecting different results?
[18:55] <hggdh> gnemaben: enough
[18:59] <xjkx> Hi, long time not using ubuntu. This "Ubuntu Software" I had a hard time googling because it always tells me about google software center and then tell me that is deprecated. "Ubuntu Software" is community created packaged, or like official ubuntu developers add them there ? Kinda trying to figure which is better to get there or from the actual program site, so please shoot me some info so I can decide better
[19:00] <xjkx> ubuntu software center* ops, sorry
[19:00] <xjkx> But I'm n ot using the old one, I have ubuntu 20
[19:02] <pavlos> gnemaben: could your ram be faulty? can you boot the iso again and run memtest?
[19:06] <xjkx> need to restart brb
[19:08] <gnemaben> pavlos: i ran the firmware's ram testing facility. also, i'd be surprised if that were the case cause i've been able to open many youtube tabs in firefox yet a not a single terminal
[19:08] <xjkx> back, anybody could tell me if the packages on "Ubuntu Center", from ubuntu 20, are packaged officially by ubuntu developers ?
[19:08] <gnemaben> i'd expect to not be able to do the "heavy" stuff either
[19:15] <elias_a> I'm running Virtualbox in Ubuntu 20.04 host and have a fresh install of 16.04 server version as guest. How do I enable the mouse middle button copy paste from host to guest?
[19:15] <Master666> Hi there guys, I am getting the following error intalling tor in Ubuntu 20.04  Focal 64Bit https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7zPPKtZGjx/
[19:16] <elias_a> Guest additions is installed and clipboard settings chosen from the menu but no effect...
[19:17] <elias_a> Master666: I had problems with Tor browser too. Download it from their website. It just works.
[19:17] <elias_a> Master666: There seems to be a lot of issues with the package in repos.
[19:17] <Master666> elias a please can you give me the website?
[19:18] <Master666> I have been struggling for days
[19:18] <elias_a> Master666: https://www.torproject.org/download/
[19:18] <Master666> for what version of linux do I download because my version is not there?
[19:20] <elias_a> Master666: It is a generic version. Just follow the instructions.
[19:21] <Master666> elias a I am not an expert user, where to I find the commands to install this package?
[19:24] <Master666> how to install .tar.xz file in Ubuntu?
[19:25] <elias_a> Master666: Here you go! https://tb-manual.torproject.org/
[19:26] <cjoke> howto activate nvidia module to the new compiled kernel ?
[19:27] <jm-> hello everyone, so huh, I googled my problem but could not find anything close to what I experience. I upgraded to Ubuntu 20.04 and now my Delete key doesn't work as a Delete key when editing text (although it works to delete files/folders) : instead of deleting the character after the cursor, it acts as if it was some sort of dead key that adds the "double grave accent" (??), for example "Delete then a then
[19:27] <jm-> space" makes this character "ȁ" (or https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C8%81 ) .... I'm very confused... any idea of how I could resolve this? (note that ctrl+delete works as expected)
[19:28] <Tripknotix> hi all
[19:28] <Tripknotix> is it safe to use "sudo apt-get autoclean" on a production machine?
[19:28] <Tripknotix> the system ran out of space and is at 16mb free space, cant even mount a usb drive
[19:29] <cws> Hey everybody, I'm having weird issues that have never persisted in the ath9k drivers before with a wireless card I've used for years now. On 20.04. I believe this may be a relevant launchpad thread about the issue from 2012, I bumped it today as the last post was from 2015. The last comment contains my errors.
[19:30] <cws> It seems to be a rabbit hole of wpa_supplicant issues, maybe a encryption setting in the ath9k configs, maybe something to do with the band channels of my 2.4Ghz / 5Ghz networks, despite both of them having pretty standard setups and this issue has never happened before.
[19:31] <strive> Tripknotix: Do you know what autoclean does?
[19:31] <cws> Also have come across it potentially being a iommu issue, which comes from the part of the page faults that show up usually right before ath9k drops.
[19:31] <cws> per "[  680.489520] ath9k 0000:21:00.0: AMD-Vi: Event logged [IO_PAGE_FAULT domain=0x0010 address=0xff0d5a44 flags=0x0000]"
[19:31] <cws> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/495981
[19:33] <cws> What weirdly confuses me is that the issue was infrequent at first, but now on boot turns into constant reconnecting and connection droppings despite the network being just fine.
[19:35] <Master666> elias a you are a genius :-) How if tor browser is running does that mean my IRC chat is also using tor?
[19:36] <cws> No, you'd need to route either your client through a tor proxy etc, or run browser IRC client.
[19:38] <Master666> cws how do I run my client through a tor proxy? I am using xchat
[19:39] <cws> You'd need to run the tor router itself, not the browser. It's pretty simple, google / search "Routing *client name* through tor router / proxy"
[19:39] <cws> Tons of configs.
[19:39] <cws> I don't remember the exact setup off the top of my head.
[19:40] <pavlos> jm-: what's the output of stty
[19:42] <pavlos> jm-: and echo $LANG
[19:43] <jm-> pavlos: speed 38400 baud; line = 0;      next line: -brkint -imaxbel iutf8        $LANG is en_US.UTF-8
[19:45] <pavlos> jm-: and "space" gives you that french a
[19:46] <jm-> pavlos: "delete,a,space" gives me " ȁ"    but it is not particular to space, for exemple "delete,a,e" gives me "eȁ"
[19:50] <Tripknotix> strive it appears to remove packages in the cache for installing. however when i see that there are options for not touching apps that are installed, it made me wonder how safe it is, since i planned on not touching any other commands, im a windows guy normally
[19:50] <pavlos> jm-: sudo locale-gen "en_US.UTF-8"
[19:50] <Tripknotix> this machine is not connected to the internet, and is used for image recongition software development, but is in a stable state,  however i am tasked with modifying the ui via qt designer , and i wanted to make a backup of the files before i attempted anything, turns out i can even plug in a usb drive to copy files
[19:50] <Tripknotix> since the machine has no space
[19:51] <jm-> (pavlos: I don't think that matters but wikipedia tells me it's more like serbo-croatian, not french -- incidentally I'm french but my config is all more like US qwerty)
[19:51] <Tripknotix> so i am looking for the least destructive way to remove files from a system that a 3rd party built for us
[19:52] <jm-> pavlos: your command did "Generating locales (this might take a while)... en_US.UTF-8... done Generation complete."  but then no change I think
[19:52] <jm-> maybe I should try to reboot?
[19:52] <pavlos> jm-: yes, lets try that
[19:54] <jm-> pavlos: still the same behavior after reboot
[19:55] <tingerg> I'm having an issue on a fresh install of 20.04. https://pastebin.com/hwa9UsdK
[19:56] <jm-> pavlos: there is one exception: in emacs, but only for the client of the daemon running, delete works as expected. But everywhere else, including new emacs sessions, delete does the Double-grave-accent modifier thing
[19:57] <pavlos> jm-: I dont use emacs so I cannot help, I thought that sequence was generated from a terminal
[19:57] <jm-> pavlos: that sequence is generated from a terminal, in fact all applications have the same behavior
[19:58] <jm-> except this one emacs sessions (maybe because it is started by the system)
[19:58] <pavlos> jm-: locale | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:59] <jm-> https://termbin.com/7vlt5
[20:00] <pavlos> jm-: I dont know, everything looks same in my 20.04
[20:01] <jm-> pavlos: okay, thank you for your help :)    at least I learned this nc termbin.com trick :)
[20:01] <strive> Tripknotix: Mind running dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[20:02] <pavlos> jm-: same as pastebinit if you install it ... eg. ls | pastebinit
[20:02] <jm-> pavlos: nice, thanks!
[20:03] <tomreyn> tingerg: the package which fails to install there isn't an ubuntu package. which ubuntu release are you running there, and what's this ubuntucinnamon-lightdm-theme-base package?
[20:03] <Master666> cws the internet says xchat is EOL so I must install hexchat
[20:04] <tingerg> 20.04 focal tomreyn
[20:04] <tomreyn> tingerg: thanks for answering the first of the two questions i asked.
[20:05] <tingerg> it must be part of cinnamon. I didn't install anything yet just ubuntu
[20:05] <tomreyn> !info ubuntucinnamon-lightdm-theme-base focal
[20:06] <tomreyn> tingerg: are you using this? https://ubuntucinnamon.org/ it doesn't seem to be a recognized !flavor
[20:07] <tomreyn> !flavor
[20:07] <tingerg> yes i believe i am
[20:07] <tingerg> someone just gave me a thumbdrive
[20:08] <tingerg> maybe it has channel on freenode?
[20:09] <tomreyn> maybe try #ubuntu-cinnamon or #ubuntu-cinnamon-remix
[20:10] <tomreyn> hmm nope
[20:12] <tomreyn> tingerg: the website says: "Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix is a new distribution that utilizes Linux Mint’s Cinnamon desktop environment." so it's actually linux mint based, i guess. anyways, not something we could support here. ##linux should work as a fallback.
[20:18] <Northwoods> Hi i accidently deleted few hundered files from a dir on ubuntu 16.04 ( running on amazon web services )
[20:19] <Northwoods> Is there a way to recover those files ?
[20:20] <tomreyn> you could restore the latest backup
[20:32] <CarlFK> Can I get the day of week displayed as part of the date/time at the top of my screen, currently reads "Oct 6 15:32:38"
[20:36] <pavlos> CarlFK: install gnome-tweaks, then start tweaks, look for top bar on the left, enable weekday on the right
[20:37] <jm-> CarlFK: with Tweaks the option "Weekday" is in the category "Top Bar"
[20:37] <CarlFK> thanks thanks
[20:38] <CarlFK> "background: Warty-final..jgp"  :o
[20:50] <weretavia> Hello all, I am looking for a TSV viewer that supports automatically reloading upon file changes. Other basic features would be sorting and search, but not strictly needed. Does anyone have a suggestion?
[20:55] <offlineLubuntu> I'm in sort of a catch 22 situation here, I need to put WINE on my computer but it can't connect to the internet to download it
[20:56] <offlineLubuntu> I'm accessing net using laptop running windows here, but am trying to figure out a way I can download WINE and then put it on a USB and then install WINE from the USB onto my desktop that's running Lubuntu right now
[20:56] <offlineLubuntu> most installation instructions for software seem to assume an active internet connection, does anyone know any tutorials for downloading the files and installing from from the USB instead?
[20:57] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: why do you need wine? Also, why not troubleshoot your wifi/network issue with your ubuntu-side before messing with wine?
[20:57] <offlineLubuntu> I think the issue is that the built-in wireless LAN device may be malfunctioning, it just can't seem to connect anymore
[20:58] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: then how are you online with Windows?
[20:58] <offlineLubuntu> I bought a plugin dongle but it only comes with software in a .exe for windows to run it
[20:58] <offlineLubuntu> the wireles LAN on my laptop has a functioning wireless LAN in it , it's newer
[20:58] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: you don't think installing the exe with wine is going to solve your wifi problem do you? That's not how this works
[20:59] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: boot into ubuntu with the usb wifi adapter plugged in and run "lsusb" and screenshot it please.
[20:59] <offlineLubuntu> that was one approach, I did find some tutorials for downloading the software for this dongle too, but it seems to assume you have a working internet connection on your OS
[20:59] <offlineLubuntu> ok just gimme a sec, takes a few minutes to boot
[21:01] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: also, do you have access to ethernet at all?
[21:01] <offlineLubuntu> this laptop and the desktop both have ethernet ports and I have an ethernet cable
[21:01] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: ok, and access to an ethernet port on a router/modem?
[21:01] <offlineLubuntu> that said, I've never actually figured out how to work ethernet transfers, whether that's win>win or lin>lin or win>lin or lin>win
[21:02] <offlineLubuntu> oh, I do, but the desktop is pretty heavy
[21:03] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: you do have the option of setting up internet connection sharing in Windows. It's beyond the scope of this channel, but it should be pretty easy to get going
[21:03] <bendman> hey, what is the best way to find a repo for an application? I'm looking for the source to the "Ubuntu Software" application.
[21:03] <leftyfb> bendman: why?
[21:04] <offlineLubuntu> do you think that's something like if I have my laptop turned on, it's ability to connect to the internet allows my desktop (with no functioning wireless LAN inside it) to piggyback of my laptop's card?
[21:04] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: yes
[21:05] <bendman> leftyfb: I would like to see the root cause of a bug, and if it is something I can help with I would like to submit a fix.
[21:05] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-networking-winpc/internet-connection-sharing-in-windows-10/f6dcac4b-5203-4c98-8cf2-dcac86d98fb9?auth=1
[21:05] <offlineLubuntu> that's one thing I had thought about as maybe a temporary solution just to be able to download the dongle's software, at which point I wouldn't need the cable
[21:06] <leftyfb> bendman: the package name is ubuntu-software and is part of the "main" section of the official ubuntu repos
[21:06] <offlineLubuntu> where do I paste lsusb results?
[21:07] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: I would not download whatever software the dongle is suggesting even if you get it online. I would ask here about getting help with it first. You might be able to get it going without compiling unsupportable drivers
[21:07] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: try imgur.com
[21:07] <offlineLubuntu> would pastebin be okay? that way it's copyable for you
[21:07] <tomreyn> /topic says " Pastes to https://paste.ubuntu.com/ "
[21:07] <bendman> leftyfb: how can I find those repos? I'm looking on salsa, but I don't see a main or ubuntu-software repo.
[21:08] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: pastebin doesn't allow for images AFAIK
[21:08] <offlineLubuntu> lsusb just returned text though
[21:08] <leftyfb> bendman: apt-get source ubuntu-software
[21:09] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: if you don't have online access you can't copy and paste it to pastebin
[21:09] <offlineLubuntu> oh wait, I'm not thinking this through... yeah I see what you mean
[21:09] <offlineLubuntu> need to photograph it
[21:09] <offlineLubuntu> or wait, I could just copy text on my flash drive
[21:11] <offlineLubuntu> leftyfb the first line seems like the only relevant one "Bus 002 Device 003: ID 15a9:0004 Gemtek WUBR-177G [Ralink RT2571W]"
[21:12] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: what version of ubuntu?
[21:13] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: so far it looks like that wifi dongle should "just work" out of the box
[21:14] <offlineLubuntu> lsb release -a says ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS which I think is what my version of Lubuntu is based on
[21:14] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: what have you tried to determine if the wifi is working or not?
[21:15] <offlineLubuntu> I know when I plugged it into windows, it didn't show up automatically, but when I ran setup.exe it showed up as 'wifi 2'
[21:15] <offlineLubuntu> and I had to give my router password and stuff a 2nd time to that conneciton
[21:15] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: Ubuntu != Windows
[21:16] <offlineLubuntu> there might just be some casual switch I'm unaware of how to do, perhaps..
[21:17] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: https://i.stack.imgur.com/wN52W.png
[21:17] <bendman> leftyfb: thanks, that helps
[21:17] <offlineLubuntu> one thing I remember is instructions said you should try to disable your built-in wifi card first
[21:18] <offlineLubuntu> I often see the compuer trying to connect with that and failing so not sure how ti disable it
[21:18] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: did you check the network manager in the top-right first?
[21:20] <offlineLubuntu> I'm not sure where to find that, Lubuntu's menu when I click is a bit different from Ubuntu's https://i.stack.imgur.com/BfRwj.png
[21:21] <offlineLubuntu> do you think it could be sometihng like 'Create New WiFi Network' ?
[21:21] <offlineLubuntu> I just want to use the dongle to connect to the existing network so I'm not sure
[21:22] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: ok, then use lubuntu's interface to connect to wifi
[21:22] <offlineLubuntu> there is at the bottom of mine under 'Connection Information' an 'Edit Connections' button which when I click opens 'Network Connections'
[21:22] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: wait, didn't you say this is a desktop? I'm pretty sure there aren't many desktops out there with wifi built in. Have you tried looking for another usb dongle or a pci card in it?
[21:23] <offlineLubuntu> if it helps this is the exact model from 2007 https://support.hp.com/ca-en/document/c01070924 which lists a 802.11 b/g wireless USB adapter card
[21:24] <offlineLubuntu> intenrally it looks like this https://support.hp.com/doc-images/479/c02073610.jpg but there's also an antennae that attaches to it to extend the range, but that doesn't seem to work anymore
[21:24] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: unplug the other cable going to it
[21:25] <offlineLubuntu> you mean like open up the box and disconnect it? kinda scared tbh
[21:25] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: yes
[21:25] <offlineLubuntu> was hoping there was just a way to shut it off software side
[21:26] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: What is shown in terminal for>  lsmod | grep cfg
[21:27] <offlineLubuntu> lsmod
[21:28] <jwhitmore> According to "apt-cache search" there's a package "libusb-0.1-4" and when I try to install that package I get "libusb-0.1-4 is already the newest version (2:0.1.12-32)" but when I try "sudo find / -name "libusb*.so -print" I only get "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-1.0.so" Perhaps I should be removing libusb-1.0-0 before installing libusb-0.1-4
[21:28] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: run the full command and it should show the wireless modules loaded
[21:28] <offlineLubuntu> cfg80211          536576    2   rt2x00lib,mac80211
[21:29] <zeroes> toinen juttu mistä löysit paluukoodi 35 tarkoittaa EPERM?
[21:30] <zeroes> sorry wrong place
[21:31] <offlineLubuntu> btw jeremy and lefty, when I type in iwconfig it tells me 'no wireless extensions' which is why I'm thinking maybe it doesn't recognize the USB
[21:32] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: try in terminal>  sudo modprobe rt73usb
[21:32] <pavlos> jwhitmore: the find has error - print outsie of the ", like this, sudo find / -name "libusb*.so.0" -print
[21:33] <offlineLubuntu> the first time I entered that it asked for my password
[21:33] <offlineLubuntu> I entered that and the next time I did it, it just went to a black line, no results
[21:33] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: check iwconfig again
[21:34] <offlineLubuntu> still "no wireless extensions" to the right of enp0s25 and lo
[21:34] <jwhitmore> pavlos, oops yes that's found more, but four different locations for libusb-1.0.so.0 there is no 0.1-4
[21:35] <offlineLubuntu> the box name for the dongle is DWA-171 btw
[21:35] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: Can you connect by USB tether to a smartphone?
[21:36] <pavlos> jwhitmore: dpkg -l | grep libusb
[21:36] <offlineLubuntu> I don't have a smartphone, maybe I could try the ethernet thing?
[21:37] <jwhitmore> pavlos, ii  libusb-0.1-4:amd64                         2:0.1.12-32                                 amd64        userspace USB programming library
[21:37] <jwhitmore> That's one of the lines
[21:37] <pavlos> jwhitmore: that ii means installed
[21:37] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: See if you can connect with ethernet
[21:38] <leftyfb> jeremy31: offlineLubuntu: https://askubuntu.com/a/1164982
[21:38] <jwhitmore> pavlos, well there's some confusion and Ubuntu is messing up my USB as a result. The package manager thinks the package is installed but there is no library so file anywhere on the system
[21:39] <jeremy31> leftyfb: That has a different hardware ID unless the internal one is connected by USB also
[21:39] <leftyfb> jeremy31: I'm also wondering though if the one we're messing with is the internal one from HP
[21:40] <jeremy31> leftyfb: it is possible, offlineLubuntu any result from terminal for>  rfkill list
[21:41] <pavlos> jwhitmore: you can, "sudo apt install libusb-1.0-0"
[21:41] <pavlos> jwhitmore: that should bring amd64 and i386 libraries
[21:43] <jwhitmore> pavlos, yes but it's not the same as version 0.1-4. At present that's causing a problem mounting Android phone for USB File transfer. and more importantly pulseview package, where you get the error - pulseview: symbol lookup error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsigrok.so.4: undefined symbol: libusb_get_version
[21:44] <jwhitmore> nm -D /usr/local/lib/libusb-1.0.so.0 | grep libusb_get_version    gives me nothing
[21:44] <pavlos> jwhitmore: sudo apt install libusb-0.1-4   does it say installed or continues to install
[21:45] <jwhitmore> libusb-0.1-4 is already the newest version (2:0.1.12-32).
[21:45] <jwhitmore> I think my only option is to re-install distro on laptop
[21:45] <pavlos> jwhitmore: and pulseview gives you that error
[21:47] <jwhitmore> yes been trying to trace the problem. Assume pulseview needs the older version with that symbol
[21:48] <pavlos> jwhitmore: I installed pulseview and it starts w/o issue (I'm on 20.04
[21:48] <offlineLubuntu> soft and hard blocks both say no
[21:48] <offlineLubuntu> for ph0: Wireless LAN
[21:48] <jwhitmore> pavlos, ldd /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsigrok.so.4 | grep usb
[21:49] <jwhitmore> pavlos, sorry could you let me know the output of that command?
[21:49] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: any result in terminal for> lsusb | grep 2001
[21:50] <pavlos> jwhitmore: libusb-1.0.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f73e47dd000)
[21:50] <pavlos> jwhitmore: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dwSgRvqqDq/
[21:51] <jwhitmore> libusb-1.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libusb-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f66e9796000)
[21:52] <pavlos> jwhitmore: I dont have that lib in usr local lib
[21:52] <jwhitmore> nm -D /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-1.0.so.0 | grep libusb_get_version     results in<PHONE_NUMBER>007460 T libusb_get_version
[21:52] <offlineLubuntu> what do I check after grep 2001? not sure what it changed
[21:53] <offlineLubuntu> I actually still have my wifi set up from when my inner wireless card was working so I think maybe I need to change just the 'device' but only one device is available in the dropdown menu
[21:53] <jwhitmore> pavlos, thanks a million looks like sigrok is looking at the wrong version of the library. Now I just have to figure how to get it to look at /usr/x86.. not /usr/local
[21:54] <pavlos> jwhitmore: maybe re-install usrlib-1.0
[21:54] <jwhitmore> worth a try
[21:54] <pavlos> jwhitmore: I meant libusb-1 .......
[21:54] <leden> offlineLubuntu: can you give us 'lsusb | grep Wireless'
[21:54] <MacGregor> I would like windows to open in the same place they were when I closed them (Ubuntu 20.04). Currently windows seem to dodge currently opened windows regardless of where they were when I closed them.
[21:55] <offlineLubuntu> when I entered the new command it just went to a new empty line prompt, I don't know what that changed
[21:56] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: any items in lsusb results where the ID has 2001 in it?
[21:56] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: I would highly recommend unplugging that internal card to limit confusion and complication
[21:56] <offlineLubuntu> can't see any, no
[21:57] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: Can you take a picture of lsusb results and upload to imgur.com and post URL?
[21:59] <jwhitmore> pavlos, reinstall didn't work but rename the /usr/local libusb to something stupid like dud-libusb-1.0.0.so.0 and then "ldd /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsigrok.so.4 | grep usb" gives me  "libusb-1.0.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f4647a44000)"
[21:59] <jwhitmore> pulseview working again
[21:59] <offlineLubuntu> consulting 13mb manual at http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01859455 now to see how to do safely
[22:01] <jwhitmore> pavlos, thanks a million for all your help!
[22:01] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: power off the pc and unplug that gray cable with the white tip from that wifi module you showed in the picture. It's just an internal usb connection
[22:05] <offlineLubuntu> hm I got mixed up, can't seem to find the PDF for it, may just need to wing it
[22:06] <offlineLubuntu> in https://support.hp.com/doc-images/479/c02073610.jpg do you mean the top one or the bottom one?
[22:06] <offlineLubuntu> powering it down now
[22:07] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: bottom one
[22:07] <offlineLubuntu> oh wait, the white tip beyond the rainbow wires, take it out of the green, I think
[22:08] <leftyfb> yes
[22:11] <offlineLubuntu> got it open, cramped in there, do you someitmes use tweezers to grip?
[22:11] <offlineLubuntu> not sure if I can just pull it out, obviously shouldn't pull the wires so I need to grab the white part
[22:11] <offlineLubuntu> hopefully it just comes out and don't need to squeeze the sides..
[22:12] <pavlos> jwhitmore: glad we sorted it out
[22:13] <pavlos> cd
[22:20] <offlineLubuntu> I took a short 2mb video showing where card is located using laptop camera https://imgur.com/a/OlchjvP
[22:21] <offlineLubuntu> actual placement seems really unlike the example image, it's like instead of coming away to right side at the top they took a 90 degree turn downward parallel with the card
[22:21] <offlineLubuntu> and then at the bottom it crosses over flush against the card to go out the back
[22:22] <offlineLubuntu> makes me wonder if heat could mess with that over time, to explain why antennae isn't getting good signal anymore
[22:23] <offlineLubuntu> do you know if it's okay to try and pull out the green chip from the gray plastic holder?
[22:23] <offlineLubuntu> hard to get my fingers in there at the bottom to grab the white, but might be easier if the entire thing came out first
[22:24] <Northwoods> How can i copy files from one directory to another without overwriting existing files ?
[22:24] <Northwoods> those are actually images
[22:25] <offlineLubuntu> hm leftyfb it seems like another option would be if I unscrewed the metal mount from the back of the desktop
[22:25] <offlineLubuntu> that way I could move it together rather than rmeove the card from the bracket
[22:25] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: can you follow the wire to where it's plugged into the motherboard and just unplug that side?
[22:25] <offlineLubuntu> I can see it but it's just really cramped to get finger in there
[22:25] <offlineLubuntu> it's unplugged so I'll see if I can grab the white with the tweezers
[22:25] <offlineLubuntu> oh you mean the other end of the white... hm
[22:26] <leftyfb> offlineLubuntu: oh, if it's unplugged, that's all you need to do. You don't need to remove the module.
[22:26] <tomreyn> Northwoods: cp -n source/some*pattern target/
[22:26] <Northwoods> thanks tomreyn
[22:26] <offlineLubuntu> it's big an insulated and loops around a lot but  I think I can see where it ends
[22:28] <offlineLubuntu> definitely can't get the proximal end connecting the motherboard, there's a big cchip rightover top
[22:29] <offlineLubuntu> gonna ty for the distal end I guess
[22:31] <offlineLubuntu> okay I got the gren chip out of the plastic housing so I could flip it 180 to access the white
[22:31] <offlineLubuntu> it doesn't seem to want to come loose though, kind of unsure what direction to exert force
[22:32] <offlineLubuntu> it was like attached to the underside of it
[22:32] <offlineLubuntu> still is, basically, but now I can see that better with it decoupled from the mount
[22:37] <pfloyd> does anyone know where I can get a fixed fping package? it does not work with ipv6 disabled, I get:  (null): can't create raw socket (must run as root?) : Address family not supported by protocol
[22:41] <tomreyn> pfloyd: you could try to not disable ipv6. or you could run fping with -4
[22:42] <pfloyd> I have to disable ipv6 because comcast's router is trash and will refuse to do port forwarding if the device has ipv6 enabled
[22:42] <BalooRJ> I don't think Comcast supports IPV6 yet
[22:42] <pfloyd> and adding -4 doesn't work
[22:42] <tomreyn> pfloyd: which ubuntu release are you running?
[22:43] <pfloyd> bionic
[22:44] <tomreyn> hmm, bionic should provide fping package version 4.0-6, which shoould be based on fping 4.0 which, according to https://github.com/schweikert/fping/blob/develop/CHANGELOG.md#new-features-3 introduced -4 to force IPv4
[22:44] <pfloyd> yeah I'm on 4.0-6 but it's definitely not fixed
[22:44] <pfloyd> ii  fping                                      4.0-6
[22:46] <tomreyn> and using standard ping is not an option?
[22:47] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~just-vpn/+archive/ubuntu/fping?field.series_filter=bionic has a backport, certainly unmaintained, but.. you could try it
[22:49] <pfloyd> tomreyn: well, it's for smokeping. I was debugging why smokeping was failing and that's when I found fping was the culprit. Will check out the back port, thanks!
[22:49] <tomreyn> another one here: https://launchpad.net/~simonarons/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=bionic
[22:50] <tomreyn> but you'd want to apt pin the package there
[22:50] <tomreyn> yet another https://launchpad.net/~snowfall/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=bionic
[22:50] <tomreyn> note PPAs aren't supported here
[22:53] <offlineLubuntu> took a video showing the card disconnected https://imgur.com/a/osPSchl
[22:53] <Northwoods> Anyone here knows if AWS Snapshots are automatic or not
[22:53] <offlineLubuntu> well from the mount anyway, still not sure how to disconnect the usb
[22:54] <tomreyn> Northwoods: try ##aws
[22:54] <Northwoods> tomreyn, thnks
[22:55] <pfloyd> tomreyn: thanks, the backport worked!
[22:55] <pfloyd> appreciate it, have a good day
[22:56] <tomreyn> you're both welcome ;)
[22:57] <offlineLubuntu> I just wiggled the wireless LAN card off, easier than I thought
[23:06] <offlineLubuntu> leftyfb and jeremy31 have now restated the lubuntu desktop after having disconnected the internal USB connection to the wireless lan card, the D-Link DWA-171 AC600 MU-MIMO Wi-Fi USB Adapter is in a USB port now
[23:07] <offlineLubuntu> assured 'enable networking' box checked but now need t o 'edit connections' and ADD something I thin
[23:08] <offlineLubuntu> connection type chosen is wifi but thee is no 'device' option in the dropdown
[23:08] <offlineLubuntu> so I think it's still not recognizing the dongle without appropriate software
[23:12] <offlineLubuntu> page about is at https://ca.dlink.com/en/products/dwa-171-ac600-mu-mimo-wi-fi-usb-adapter
[23:14] <leden> offlineLubuntu: lsusb will show that your dondle recognize kernel or not
[23:15] <offlineLubuntu> I think I get what you mean earlier about 2001
[23:15] <offlineLubuntu> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2168426 shows the guy got Bus 002 Device 010: ID 2001:3314 D-Link Corp.
[23:15] <offlineLubuntu> I'm not seeing that at all..
[23:17] <offlineLubuntu> okay I changed the plug and I think it is ID 0bda:1a2b Realtek Semiconductor Corp
[23:18] <offlineLubuntu> that's the only one which changed when I compare both versions of lsusb
[23:18] <offlineLubuntu> leden same output as this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1224468/usb-wifi-adapter-driver-installed-but-dont-work
[23:19] <offlineLubuntu> all that changed when I moved was the bus and device numbers
[23:21] <offlineLubuntu> seems related to "zerocd" and it being recognized as storage device until drivers are in... blah
[23:27] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: does the file manager show a cdrom or other device
[23:30] <OfflineLubuntu> I think I need to somehow modify the 'get' commands here http://startusingubuntu.blogspot.com/2014/08/install-driver-for-d-link-dwd-171.html
[23:30] <OfflineLubuntu> and somehow get those drivers via a windows download
[23:30] <OfflineLubuntu> and then copy them to USB, and then install them via the USb
[23:30] <OfflineLubuntu> via some kind of command
[23:30] <OfflineLubuntu> does anyone know if drivers can just be dragged over like files into a system folder?
[23:30] <jeremy31> offlineLubuntu: In terminal do>   sudo usb_modeswitch -KW -v 0bda -p 1a2b
[23:32] <OfflineLubuntu> lsusb is now oudputting 2001:331d D-Link Corp!
[23:32] <OfflineLubuntu> so I think you did the switch ting I was reading about which will somehow lead into the next step
[23:34] <OfflineLubuntu> it doesn't show up in the device dropdown after this so maybe I still need a driver?
[23:35] <OfflineLubuntu> I'm thinking perhaps to enter something manually in device but it needs either an interface name or a permannet MAC
[23:35] <jeremy31> OfflineLubuntu: what kernel is being used, in terminal> uname -a
[23:36] <OfflineLubuntu> 4.15.0-117-generic
[23:36] <OfflineLubuntu> #118 Ubuntu SMP   (date) i686 GNU/Linux
[23:37] <leden> offlineLubuntu: 'ip a | grep wl'
[23:38] <OfflineLubuntu> entered, gave no ouput
[23:38] <jeremy31> OfflineLubuntu: you will need an internet connection to get a driver for that device
[23:39] <OfflineLubuntu> I guess there's no way to download driver files here and then copy them through the USB stick?
[23:39] <OfflineLubuntu> that or figure out the ethernet pairing thing
[23:40] <jeremy31> OfflineLubuntu: you have to get source code for the driver and get packages for compiling the source
[23:41] <OfflineLubuntu> something like https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au probably...
[23:43] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: what about an iso with kernel 5.4 or 5.8 would that help him?
[23:43] <jeremy31> OfflineLubuntu:  can you make a post at askubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org?
[23:43] <lotuspsychje> i had an asus device bug once i fixed with !HWE
[23:43] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: A version that has at least build-essential installed would be great
[23:44] <oerheks> How about !offline?
[23:45] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31 OfflineLubuntu bug #1852978 was mine
[23:47] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: Mediatek Mt7610 device
[23:48] <OfflineLubuntu> yes am typing up entry now, wil llink when done
[23:48] <lotuspsychje> oh yeah, his chipset is realtek
[23:51] <jeremy31> OfflineLubuntu: include both device ID's and the kernel version.  I might be able to work on it tomorrow.  You will need some way to copy the driver from a computer with internet access, USB drive or whatever
[23:53] <OfflineLubuntu> I entered the kernal version, can't remember what device IDs are
[23:55] <lotuspsychje> OfflineLubuntu: i would try ubuntu 20.10 iso with kernel 5.8, you never kernel might pick your realtek up, worth a try?
[23:55] <lotuspsychje> *know
[23:56] <OfflineLubuntu> I had downloaded the 20.04 LTS iso and tried to install it on my other desktop but it froze up
[23:56] <OfflineLubuntu> and othe desktop has 4GB ram, the one I'm running lubuntu on now only has 3gb
[23:57] <OfflineLubuntu> not sure if that's the only key thing... the 2010 desktop with 4gb is freezing when I start windows 10 on it lately too
[23:57] <OfflineLubuntu> like I need to revert to base installation every time to get in, frozen on bootup
[23:57] <OfflineLubuntu> so I'm open to putting lubuntu or some othe low-resource linux OS on it, but standard lubuntu feels it might stress it too much?


[02:01] <jbailey> lamont: ping?
[02:02] <jbailey> lamont: Now that we're blocked on Carlos ack'ing the patch, tausq commiting gdb patch, benc/amit uploading a new kernel, the world answering how to deal with missing kernel headers, the result of which might be somewhat easily debugging of gij, do you have any other tasks that I should be hacking on? =)
[02:02] <jbailey> Otherwise I might spend the evening playing with 64 bit user space.
[03:01] <lamont> well, we could put together a slightly tweaked 8.16 tree with our patch in it, and maybe call it 8.16hppa1 :-)
[03:02] <lamont> that way we could have SMP support before monday
[03:04] <lamont> gmp is also holding up some stuff
[03:04] <lamont> and then there's perl
[03:43] <jbailey> lamont: That might do.
[03:43] <jbailey> Actually, do you mind playing with the kernel and seeing if a known configuration will boot?
[03:43] <jbailey> I don't know if the non-bootingness of it is code or config.
[03:44] <jbailey> I can take a look at perl this WE, though.
[04:04] <lamont> non-bootingness?
[04:05] <lamont> my evening involves finishing the reorg of my office, before mitzi gets back home and wants to reclaim her kitchen (currently my overflow area for organizing...)
[04:06] <lamont> and then there are other honey-do items
[04:32] <lamont> devel/ecj_3.3~M7-2: Dep-Wait-Removed by buildd-hppa+bld-4 [optional:uncompiled]
[04:32] <lamont> why does it hate me?
[04:33] <lamont> amusingly, ecj is not in PaS.. how did it get removed, I wonder...
[04:34] <jbailey> lamont: You reproduced the build failure with perl, yes?
[04:35] <jbailey> using dpkg-buildpackage -B ?
[04:35] <lamont> well, it builds just fine on hppa
[04:35] <lamont> it's everywhere else that's broken
[04:35] <jbailey> 'k.
[04:35] <jbailey> It's working its way through the testsuite on my ppc box.
[04:35] <lamont> OTOH, it fails to build on a feisty kernel on my i386, with a completely diff failure than the buildds
[04:36] <lamont> thread tests fail on the feisty i386 kernel, at least for me.
[04:37] <lamont> I'm disinclined to annoy people by having the buildds retry on all 5 architectures... making perl uninstallable would tend to annoy people.  I know it annoys me.. :-(
[04:37] <jbailey> Hey, do you have a Debian box handy?
[04:37] <jbailey> Can you try building it there?
[04:37] <lamont> checking if krita should be compiled... no
[04:37] <lamont> ...
[04:37] <lamont> dh_install -pkrita
[04:37] <lamont> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/bin/krita': No such file or directory
[04:37] <lamont> go koffice!!!
[04:37] <jbailey> I'm curious if it will fail now that they're on a current glibc.
[04:37] <lamont> I have a debian chroot...
[04:38] <jbailey> Should be close enough.
[04:38] <jbailey> Debian boxes don't run Debian kernels anyway.
[04:38] <lamont> lol
[04:39] <lamont> for the moment, I want to pause and finish moving /home to its new, uh, home.
[04:39] <jbailey> Sure, no worries.
[04:39] <jbailey> I have a perl build in one window and  abinutils build in the other. =)
[04:39] <jbailey> Tomorrow I'll probably spend the day studying, and hack in the evening.
[04:40] <jbailey> But I'm hoping we can magic together enough answers for getting gdb to work.
[04:40] <lamont> I wonder if the DC x86 box would be a good one to test-build on
[04:40] <lamont> working GDB would rock
[04:40] <lamont> do you have a gdb with the patch, and does that work?
[04:40] <lamont> or is the jury still out?
[04:41] <jbailey> It works for tausq.
[04:41] <jbailey> It's unbuildable on Ubuntu because we don't export the kernel header needed for gdb.
[04:41] <lamont> oh.  right.  sigh
[04:41] <jbailey> Which is to say, upstream doesn't either.
[04:41] <jbailey> So I started a thread on the list for solving that.
[04:41] <lamont> "the list"?
[04:41] <jbailey> parisc-linux
[04:41] <lamont> ah, ok
[04:41] <jbailey> Oh, also, mjw and doko helped find a gij hacker who will help us.
[04:42] <jbailey> But he's going to need gdb anyway.
[04:42] <lamont> ROCK!
[04:42] <lamont> anyway, about a cubic meter of crap to sort through so I can move things out of the kitchen before my wife gets home and kills me.
[04:42] <lamont> laggy, but still here
[04:45] <jbailey> Death by mitzi sounds probably spectacular.
[04:46] <lamont> irish redhead.
[04:46] <lamont> very spectacular
[04:47] <lamont> oh.  uic3 glibc corruption-detected thing would be useful for you to figure out/fix too.
[04:49] <jbailey> I can reproduce the build failure for perl./
[04:50] <lamont> tulip_2.0.6-5_20070713-1305:*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/uic3: free(): invalid pointer: 0x00124098 ***
[04:51] <jbailey> gdb it, see what is being freed.
[04:51] <jbailey> If it's not threaded, gdb ought to work.
[04:51] <lamont> ah, ok
[04:51] <lamont> I've been being distracted by AT
[04:52] <jbailey> Automated Tests?
[04:52] <jbailey> Or your modem singing away to you?
[04:53] <jbailey> Trying obvious solution to perl build failure.
[04:53] <jbailey> SHELL = /bin/bash =)
[05:51] <lamont> assigned taskes
[06:28] <lamont> wow.  floor
[02:16] <jbailey> lamont: I've confirmed that the perl problem is a dash/bash thing.
[02:16] <jbailey> I'm guessing your chroot still has /bin/sh -> /bin/bash
[03:00] <jbailey> shinmen: Heya
[03:12] <jbailey> lamont: Looks like bingo!  Trying.
[03:43] <lamont> jbailey: updating the hppa chroots to use dash instead of bash.  thanks
[03:44] <jbailey> Just checking to make sure these lintian warnings aren't my fault and then I'll upload perl to gutsy.
[03:48] <jbailey> It's not, but I built it -B, feh.  Rebuilding to make sure I can do an install test.
[04:06] <shinmen> jbailey: Hey.
[04:11] <jbailey> lamont: I keep having this vague thought that the compiler should be written in something interpreter but hotspot optimised.
[04:11] <jbailey> Java's the logical choice for existing technology, but LISP or something could do as well once Parrot is real.
[04:12] <jbailey> And then we could have a massive distributed.net farm for all of our compilation.
[04:24] <jbailey> lamont: putting perl 5.8.8-7ubuntu2 now.  Please build it when you see it, kthxbye
[04:24] <jbailey> I should probably study for the rest of the day.  I'll be back when my brain can't handle more Unified Process.
[06:52] <jbailey> lamont: Bah, your buildd is being lazy =)
[06:52] <jbailey> But it's built succesfully on i386, amd64 and ppc now. =)
[08:23] <lamont> jbailey: rock
[08:24] <lamont> fwiw, cron.hourly actually runs hourly now on hppa...
[08:24] <lamont> perl is building as of 30 min ago
[08:24] <jbailey> Lovely.
[08:25] <jbailey> perl-modules has hit the archive.
[08:25] <jbailey> After that are we debootstrappable?
[08:25] <lamont> and gutsy-stage0 archive, too.
[08:26] <lamont> I expect so
[08:26] <lamont> gonna have to reboot again...
[08:26] <lamont> randomly overwriting /etc/group with the "right" file is kinda fraught with pain
[08:32] <lamont> this is a fun experiment... apt-get remove --purge hal dbus-1; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:32] <lamont> hope it works.
[08:42] <lamont> how do I tell the system to rescan for disks?
[08:42] <lamont> "reboot" seems kinda invasive.
[08:43] <jbailey> It should do it automatically.
[08:43] <jbailey> Assuming it's a pluggable bus.
[08:43] <lamont> that was what I was afraid of
[08:43] <jbailey> It should have sent an event.
[08:43] <lamont> SATA
[08:43] <jbailey> Right.
[08:43] <jbailey> Sata should send an event.
[08:44] <lamont> mind you, I did screw up everything's permissions
[08:46] <lamont> brb (I hope...)
[10:08] <jbailey> lamont: This lag isn't promising...


[12:01] <neerad> Hi I want to port ubuntu touch to my phone, how to proceed ?
[12:02] <neerad> anybody ????
[12:07] <brunch875> neerad: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/
[12:08] <neerad> okay
[12:08] <brunch875> good luck!
[12:08] <neerad> Can i use a different branch other than master branch?
[12:08] <neerad> like 6.0.0_r1
[12:10] <brunch875> don't know about that. But why not try the master branch first and once you get that working try with a different branch?
[12:10] <neerad> okay
[12:12] <neerad> also what is the difference b/w ubports and official ubuntu touch
[12:15] <brunch875> you mean what the site ubports.com is?
[12:15] <neerad> yep
[12:16] <brunch875> it's a team of developers which port ubuntu to devices
[12:16] <neerad> okay
[12:16] <neerad> and why does ubuntu relies on android_4.4.2 version for it's building?
[12:17] <brunch875> from what I know, ubuntu relies on whichever version the phone is sold with
[12:17] <neerad> hmmm....
[12:18] <neerad> no I mean manifest.git is showing it phablet-4.4.2_r1
[12:18] <neerad> isn't that android version?
[12:18] <brunch875> there's a difference between phones and computers when it comes to operating systems
[12:19] <brunch875> you see, the drivers of the phone are pretty closed
[12:19] <brunch875> so ubuntu uses those drivers for the device to work
[12:19] <neerad> You mean phablet_4.4.2_r1 ins't same as android-4.4.2_r1?
[12:19] <neerad> okay
[12:19] <neerad> but aren't those drivers old and hasn't had the latest commits
[12:20] <brunch875> they are as old as the manufacturer wants them to stay
[12:20] <neerad> But I want to develop it based on new drivers?
[12:20] <neerad> *!
[12:22] <brunch875> neerad: I do not think porting ubuntu means touching already installed drivers at all
[12:23] <neerad> ohh
[12:23] <brunch875> now, I have no experience porting, so I can only give you limited information
[12:24] <neerad> hey but when I git branch -a it gives me phablet-5.1.1_r36 to phablet-6.0.0z-r1
[12:24] <neerad> doesn't that mean phablet has been updated to the latest commit
[12:24] <neerad> but the default branch is stuck at 4.4.2
[12:24] <brunch875> I have no idea :-)
[12:25] <neerad> oh okay
[14:01] <ginggs> Laney: fyi, ncbi-tools6 (the package that no longer has autopkgtests) has another upload (still without tests)
[14:02] <ginggs> sorry, wrong chan
[19:17] <neerad_> I have downloaded all sources now how to port it for the device?
[19:17] <neerad_> Give me a more detailed info than the guide if anybody has that knowledge


[21:15] <McCallister> Hello everyone.
[21:18] <astraljava> o/
[21:19] <McCallister> I have not used Ubuntu Studio for 2 years.
[21:19] <McCallister> How is the new release?
[21:20] <holstein> its a lot like the old one with new software
[21:20] <holstein> nothing really pressing to upgrade unless you are looking for device support
[21:20] <holstein> i use 10.04 with the kxstudio repositories added
[21:20] <holstein> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/KXStudio:Repositories
[21:21] <holstein> the upcoming release, 11.10, thats going to be something to check out
[21:21] <holstein> the first implementation of XFCE
[21:21] <McCallister> I'll have to look at the disc I burned to see what version I installed.
[21:22] <holstein> i need to get ready for a rehersal... if things are too slow here, check out #opensourcemusicians
[21:22] <holstein> astraljava: o/ :)
[21:23] <astraljava> Hi holstein!
[21:24] <astraljava> McCallister: I presume you got your answer right there. :) You can always count on holstein to provide. :)
[21:25] <holstein> astraljava: you're already running 11.10 right?
[21:25] <holstein> hopefully early next week i'll get the test box prepared
[21:25] <McCallister> I don't have Ubuntu Studio installed anymore.
[21:25] <McCallister> I tried it for a week to test the video editing programs.
[21:25] <astraljava> holstein: Tried to install it in vbox, but yesterday's image failed. Heard the today's should work, but I'm on limited quota so will install it tomorrow.
[21:26] <Zburatorul> can someone explain this to me please: http://xkcd.com/912/  ?
[21:27] <Zburatorul> sorry, wrong channel
[21:37] <holstein> McCallister: you dont need to install ubuntustudio
[21:37] <holstein> check out
[21:37] <holstein> !vanilla
[21:37] <holstein> you can always just install whatever you want from the ubuntustudio metapackes, or just the software you want
[21:37] <holstein> ubuntustudio-video for example, or just kino, etc...
[22:18] <McCallister> Thanks holstein.