[05:37] <CIA-50> ubiquity: evand * r2857 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[05:37] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: debian-installer-utils
[05:37] <CIA-50> ubiquity: 1.59ubuntu3, grub-installer 1.32ubuntu6, hw-detect 1.63ubuntu3,
[05:37] <CIA-50> ubiquity: user-setup 1.20ubuntu7.
[05:53] <CIA-50> ubiquity: evand * r2858 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.10.0
[06:38] <evand> cjwatson: Is there a historical reason why grub-installer and lilo-installer use sfdisk rather than parted?
[06:52] <evand> cjwatson: also, if you have a free moment, would you give the latest usb-creator a go to see if bug 269052 is still present for you
[06:53] <evand> (I cannot reproduce it)
[07:48] <persia> Is passwd/auto_login as a boolean preseed option truly ubiquity-specific, or does it inherit from d-i ?  I'm not seeing it the relevant part of the installation-guide, but wanted to double-check.
[07:53] <evand> persia: it's not ubiquity specific, it's in user-setup.  See user-setup-apply in the user-setup source package.
[07:54] <persia> evand: Thank you.  So "user-setup passwd/auto_login boolean true" would be the correct string?
[07:55] <evand> whatever passwd/auto-login boolean true
[07:55] <evand> dash, not underscore
[07:55] <evand> and whatever because aiui, the ownership field isn't really important when preseeding
[07:56] <persia> Ah.  Right.  Is the value of "whatever" not important?
[07:56] <evand> that's my understanding, but cjwatson might prove me quite wrong.
[07:57] <persia> Well, I was advised to use d-i for whatever for everything in my last preseed file.  I suspect I'll want it here as well, as user-setup seems a fairly standard d-i component.
[07:59] <evand> ubiquity definitely doesn't care as casper just uses debconf-set-selections on the preseed file
[07:59] <evand> er, it's late.  That's irrelevant.  Ignore my previous statement.
[08:00] <persia> and ubiquity doesn't seem to even check the value of whatever when trying to comprehend the preseeding.
[08:01] <persia> Right.  Found it.  Thanks.
[08:02] <evand> anytime
[08:02] <persia> Oh, and just in case you haven't been told enough lately: ubiquity is *wonderfully* flexible and themeable, and I've been pleasantly surprised by how well it has worked in each of the environments I've tried it.
[08:03] <evand> Thank Colin, he laid the foundation, I'm just here to build flimsy walls ;)
[08:04] <evand> Thanks though
[08:13] <evand> hrm, figuring out an EBUSY in mount in the initramfs where lsof isn't available.
[08:13] <evand> This should be fun.
[08:16] <cjwatson> evand: sfdisk> historical state rather than historical reason, I think. They ought to use parted or a libparted-based program.
[08:17] <evand> ok
[08:17] <evand> thanks
[08:17] <cjwatson> evand: ok, I'll have a look at 269052 when I can
[08:17] <cjwatson> persia: "d-i" as the owner would be right
[08:17] <evand> So there are no relevant processes running, there's nothing mounted below /cdrom, and yet I cannot remount it ro (when persistent is set in the kernel command line)
[08:18] <cjwatson> the owner field isn't directly important when preseeding, but it does matter for proper garbage-collection of the debconf database further down the line
[08:18] <persia> cjwatson: Excellent.  Thank you.
[08:18] <evand> noted
[08:19] <cjwatson> evand: bind-mounts maybe?
[08:19] <persia> So by using "d-i" as owner, one can identify the installation-only stuff, or by using "tasksel" one can identify the task-selection stuff?
[08:19] <persia> And then (non-udeb) packages register their own directly?
[08:21] <evand> hrm, perhaps this?:
[08:21] <evand>  /dev/sda1 on /cdrom
[08:21] <evand>  /dev/sda1 on /casper-rw-backing
[08:22] <evand> everything else is unmounted (save /sys, /proc, /dev and /)
[08:23] <CIA-50> debian-installer: cjwatson * r966 ubuntu/debian/changelog:
[08:23] <CIA-50> debian-installer: No-change rebuild to pick up new components, including disabling the
[08:23] <CIA-50> debian-installer: broken e1000e driver.
[08:24] <cjwatson> persia: d-i is magic in that questions with that owner don't get copied to the target system. (Disclaimer: I haven't checked recently that ubiquity honours this ...)
[08:25] <cjwatson> persia: for everything else, setting an owner means that those questions will get unregistered when the owning package is purged
[08:25]  * persia checks on a very recently ubiquity-installed system
[08:26] <CIA-50> debian-installer: cjwatson * r967 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu16
[08:29] <persia> Indeed.  None of the d-i entries are shown by debconf-get-selections on a ubiquity-installed system.
[11:44] <xivulon> superm1, lupin-casper is missing from mythbuntu, that is required to use it with wubi
[15:13] <xivulon> superm1, after installing I am left with a ubuntu user
[15:59] <superm1> xivulon, do you need a disk mastered with lupin-casper then, or can you test around it?
[16:00] <superm1> xivulon, yeah i'm aware of that happening re: the ubuntu user, but not sure how to take care of it atm
[16:04] <persia> superm1: What's happening with the ubuntu user?
[16:04] <superm1> persia, on mythbuntu disks the entire home directory for the "ubuntu" live session user isn't getting wiped
[16:05] <superm1> it comes from a side effect of the way that we build the disks i believe right now
[16:05] <xivulon> superm1, would be better to have lupin-casper in the iso although I can work around
[16:05] <persia> superm1: Are you copying /rofs ?
[16:06]  * persia thought /home/ubuntu came from casper at boot time
[16:06] <superm1> persia, just like regular ubuntu operates in copying files
[16:06] <persia> strange.
[16:06]  * persia grabs a mythbuntu image.
[16:06] <superm1> its because i believe during our ISO generation something gets added - a background i believe
[16:07] <superm1> it showed up a while ago, and its been off my radar for a bit - but one of the deterants that has kept from switching to the livecd.sh that is used for making canonical disks
[16:08] <superm1> xivulon, is lupin-casper automatically removed when ubiquity is done, or would this be something that had to be added to code to do so?
[16:09] <persia> superm1: You don't use livecd-rootfs livecd.sh ?
[16:09] <xivulon> superm1, lupin-casper only affects the casper initrd adding extra boot options, so after installation it is not used since a regular initrd gets installed
[16:10] <superm1> persia, not currently - that was one of the things that i was going to convert over to this cycle, but with virtualbox being broke for such a long time, i didn't have a method to test CDs
[16:10] <superm1> other than burn and bring to real hardware
[16:10] <superm1> ah xivulon
[16:11] <xivulon> that said we do install lupin-support at the end of the installation...
[16:12] <superm1> persia, we do a decent job at emulating most of it's functionality though atm
[16:12] <xivulon> so that packages has to be on the iso
[16:12] <persia> superm1: Hrm.  Well, I'll look at the structure, and contents of the squashfs, but I suspect the migration might fix the issue.
[16:13] <superm1> persia, yeah i'm pretty sure it would.  so hopefully for jaunty can take another stab at trying to migrate
[16:13] <persia> I know that changing from Moblin Image Creator to livecd-rootfs fixed *lots* of issues with Ubuntu MID.
[16:14] <persia> superm1: I only find the alternate CD.  From where should I pull a daily?
[16:14] <superm1> persia, the daily mirror isn't public right now (we're migrating servers).  grab alpha 6
[16:14] <superm1> from mythbuntu.org
[16:14] <superm1> it will try to offer you a mirror local to you
[16:16] <persia> OK.  I'm not having luck with navigation.
[16:16] <persia> Ah. Found it.
[16:16] <superm1> http://mythbuntu.org/download/?file=mythbuntu-8.10-alpha6-desktop-i386.iso
[16:25] <persia> superm1: Yep.  It's in your squashfs, which is why it gets there.
[16:25] <superm1> persia, well would you perhaps have a good recommendation on how to have a different background just during install then without making modifications to casper?
[16:26] <persia> Nope.  That would be a casper thing.
[16:26] <superm1> then most definitely will need to be deferred to jaunty
[16:27] <persia> Well, it doesn't necessarily need modifications to core casper: you could just drop the additional casper scripts on the ISO.
[17:42] <xivulon> nm resets static ip info and goes back to dhcp
[17:44] <xivulon> the above is in mythbuntu not sure yet if the same holds on standard intrepid (settings get reset at reboot)
[18:12] <xivulon> get the same behaviour on vm
[18:13] <superm1> xivulon, well we dont do anything special in NM
[18:14] <superm1> so i'd imagine same bugs holds true to both
[18:20] <xivulon> added a comment to #5364


[07:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:30] <directhex> is there a defective update to 16.04 which broke libsecret? my desktop can't access my gnome keyring now either
[13:47] <Nokaji> is there a page that details the naming convention for file/proggie versions? - e.g. the difference between - libcups2 (= 2.1.3-4) -AND- 2.1.3-4ubuntu0.2 (and what the 2.1.3-4 means)
[13:56] <acheronuk> Nokaji: 2.1.3 is upstream version, -4 is the debian packaging revision and the ubuntu after that wil a number indicates that there are ubuntu specific changes to the packaging compared with debian
[14:04] <Nokaji> Ah! - makes sense at last, thanks acheronuk  presumably the first digit in 2.1.3 takes priorityand higher is more recent, through to the last digit (3)?
[14:08] <acheronuk> Nokaji: yes, 2 is the major version of the software. .1 is is a minor release in the version 2 series, and the .3 most likely indicates the 3rd micro or bugfix release of that
[14:10] <Nokaji> Marvellous, thanks acheronuk ...
[14:12] <Nokaji> If I'm getting an error report as follows " Depends: libcups2 (= 2.1.3-4) but 2.1.3-4ubuntu0.2 is to be installed" then (if I understand right) this is telling me the additionally used package has been upgraded however the main proggie I wish to install is unaware of the upgrade and expects the older version - does it is unfixable until 'they' fix it?
[14:13] <Nokaji> thus it is unfixable* (unless I at least manually edit the pkgs)
[14:14] <Nokaji> put another way - it is a developer issue - not a problem with my system
[14:17] <acheronuk> Nokaji: that sounds familiar. lemme check something....
[14:17] <Nokaji> It's cups I'm trying to reinstall, by the way
[14:18] <Nokaji> ... or the whole cups/printing she-bang
[14:20] <acheronuk> Nokaji: knew it sounded familiar. You are on Xenial I presume?
[14:21] <Nokaji> 16.04
[14:21] <acheronuk> there was an update to cups that got 'pulled' by the ubuntu archive admins, but some people may have got it and upgraded to it.
[14:22] <acheronuk> see: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?t=71637
[14:22] <Nokaji> Ah, that was the gist I got but I'm rather new at this. It didn't seem to have the high coverage/awareness I might have expected
[14:23] <Nokaji> thanks for the link, acheronuk - Im guessing they have a solution then, e.g. downgrade something
[14:23] <acheronuk> so most likely need to identify and force downgrade any cups packages of that bad version back down to 2.1.3-4
[14:24] <Nokaji> We are getting somewhere at last, O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! - lol
[14:25] <acheronuk> Nokaji: I replied from post #6 in that thread
[14:25] <acheronuk> (which is why I remembered it)
[14:25] <Nokaji> Righty :)
[14:26] <Nokaji> I guess this is a temp fix and they'll auto-fix it in future upgrades, or maybe there is not auto-mechanism for removing more recent numbers
[14:26] <Nokaji> I'll have to read it and learn
[14:30] <Nokaji> you've explained why not everyone has the problem - i.e. how quickly ppl update will vary
[14:33] <acheronuk> Nokaji: the release of updates is also 'phased'. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
[14:34] <acheronuk> precisely to pick up regressions or issues while only a small percentage of user have the update.
[14:35] <Nokaji> Ah, to destress servers, I guess - and maybe based on local, eg uk servers
[14:35] <Nokaji> Oh
[14:35] <Nokaji> is there a roll-back mechanism for premature upgrades?
[14:38] <acheronuk> AFAIK, just releasing the previous version with a new higher revision number, *if* it's deemed serious enough
[14:38] <acheronuk> more than that I can't comment
[14:38] <Nokaji> hmh
[14:38] <Nokaji> I guess eventualy there will always be a higher number so it would be self-healing
[14:39] <Nokaji> could take some time though, ofc


[08:59] <cfhowlett> any kdenlive users here?  It's crashing on *render* in 12.10
[09:04] <xrs> try changeing what codecs its encoding in?
[09:05] <xrs> i know openshot crashes if you use certain codecs
[09:06] <cfhowlett> xrs, thanks. the original query was from #ubuntu and he's gone.
[17:03] <plover> I am having a very odd problem with the Ubuntu Studio desktop which I'm not even quite sure how to describe. When I boot, a previous session is being restored. However, the desktop is mostly nonfunctional.  No windows have a top title bar, and many of them have their menu bar glued into the desktop taskbar.  So far I haven't even been able to get a terminal window that I can use. I can't get rid of the session by rebooting.
[19:03] <raven> hi
[19:03] <raven> how to find the best settings for less xruns in jack?
[19:06] <xrs> i personally dont know but you could also try in #jack or #opensourcemusicians
[19:49] <a> anyone use VVVV here?
[19:49] <Guest20091> anyone use VVVV here?
[19:53] <NoTchTesT> so no VVVV user here?
[19:55] <xrs> not me
[20:13] <NoTchTesT> but any cinelerra here?
[20:13] <NoTchTesT> user
[20:14] <xrs> so far i just use openshot and blender
[20:15] <NoTchTesT> hows blender, openshot isnt mine
[20:15] <NoTchTesT> aaa
[20:15] <NoTchTesT> blender i meant
[20:15] <NoTchTesT> openshot is too simple
[20:16] <xrs> cant argue with ya there
[20:16] <xrs> blender is more for 3D modeling and special effects
[20:16] <NoTchTesT> yep
[20:16] <NoTchTesT> but i cant find something like final cut
[20:38] <zequence> NoTchTesT: Try kdenlive
[20:38] <NoTchTesT> hi zequence
[20:38] <zequence> NoTchTesT: Keep a look out for Lightworks. No releases yet though
[20:38] <NoTchTesT> and what for audio?
[20:38] <zequence> What sort of audio?
[20:39] <NoTchTesT> ardour?
[20:39] <NoTchTesT> kinda Nuendo or Pro Tools
[20:39] <zequence> Ardour is a multitrack recording Daw, so a bit like those, yes
[20:39] <NoTchTesT> for video sync
[20:40] <NoTchTesT> Xjadeo + Ardour?
[20:40] <zequence> I have no experience in that. I'm mainly into audio
[20:40] <NoTchTesT> aha
[20:40] <NoTchTesT> ive cinelerra
[20:41] <NoTchTesT> but ./configure doesnt work for me
[20:41] <NoTchTesT> to install
[20:46] <zequence> NoTchTesT: You mean, building it?
[20:47] <zequence> NoTchTesT: You're probably missing build dependencies
[20:47] <zequence> NoTchTesT: Have you tried this PPA? https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa
[23:08] <hierro59> join #studiolibre
[23:15] <hierro59> Hi
[23:16] <hierro59> UbuntuStudio en español?
[23:17] <Unit193> !es | hierro59
[23:33] <NoTchTesT> looking for audio/video software any idea?
[23:34] <NoTchTesT> sync, edit, etc...
[23:57] <gartral> NoTchTesT: what are you looking to do? just basic edits, or a "complete suite"?


[00:19] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: axw: thumper: babbageclunk: veebers: forgot to ask the most important question - can u recommend a red from Oz/NZ to take with me?
[00:19] <wallyworld> PepperJack :-)
[00:20] <anastasiamac> any specific year? also what is it -chiraz?
[00:20] <babbageclunk> I bow to wallyworld's superior wine knowledge
[00:21] <wallyworld> shiraz, not sure of year
[00:21] <wallyworld> thumper would recommend a Pionot
[00:22] <thumper> PepperJack is overrated
[00:23] <thumper> any shiraz from AU is pretty good by international standards
[00:23] <wallyworld> i like it :-)
[00:24] <thumper> Pinot Noir from central otago
[00:25] <wallyworld> that would great also
[00:25] <wallyworld> or both :-)
[00:30] <veebers> anastasiamac: how much check-in do you have, take a case or two ^_^
[00:30] <hml> as long as the bottles don’t break!  :-)
[00:34] <babbageclunk> axw: Can you take a look at https://github.com/juju/1.25-upgrade/pull/55 please?
[00:35] <anastasiamac> i can only take about 4 bottles - 2 reserved for champagne, 1 for a rose I love from South AUstralia (need something for me too), so only 1 bottle for red :D
[00:35] <babbageclunk> Worked out my bug - it was that old chestnut closing-over-a-variable-in-a-loop.
[00:37] <babbageclunk> I'll talk to xav about how to get lxc and lxd working on trusty after lunch. (I've had it before so I think it might be a recent change?)
[00:38] <veebers> I thought wine in Aus came in bags anyway? ;-)
[00:40] <anastasiamac> veebers: OMG, have u been here last time in Dark ages? U should visit more often :D
[00:40] <veebers> anastasiamac: Hah ^_^
[00:41] <veebers> The ol' goon bag on the clothes line is a national sport, right?
[01:13] <axw> babbageclunk: LGTM
[01:13] <axw> babbageclunk: sorry, I should have done that a long time ago
[01:20] <axw> wallyworld: +3,228 −0     <- please split it up, my brain cannot handle
[01:21] <wallyworld> axw: i'll try - hard to split cleanup as it won't compile if split
[01:22] <axw> wallyworld: Go packages are a DAG, so just go depth first
[01:37] <wallyworld> axw: maybe that's better?
[01:37] <axw> thanks, looking
[03:22] <wallyworld> axw_: i was thinking that the operator would find it useful to know about unit status, especially in conjunction with being able to see if unit X was still active/not blocked and whether to choose another to be leader
[03:22] <wallyworld> the set status only does the application status
[03:23] <wallyworld> but get status gives the overall view
[03:23] <axw_> wallyworld: how are we going to know whether a unt is active/blocked?
[03:24] <axw_> (if there's none of our code running on it...)
[03:24] <wallyworld> juju would monitor the pods - if they stop responding then it could determine there's an issue
[03:24] <wallyworld> but maybe we don't need that for now
[03:24] <axw_> wallyworld: yeah I'm just thinking over that again. monitor how? responding to what?
[03:24] <axw_> health is always going to be application specific
[03:25] <wallyworld> juju needs to monitor such things if it is going to do the scaling
[03:25] <wallyworld> but i guess that's at a different level
[03:25] <axw_> wallyworld: juju needs to react to unit status changes, but it can delegate the health checking to the operator
[03:27] <wallyworld> the operator can tell at a workload level what's healthy or not
[03:27] <axw_> wallyworld: perhaps just leave it out for now, and add it back in once we come to a decision?
[03:27] <wallyworld> can do
[04:00] <wallyworld> axw_: whenever, here's the hook tools one https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8163
[07:15] <wallyworld> axw_: i've pushed changes for when you are free
[07:15] <axw_> looking
[07:35] <wallyworld> axw_: ta for review, will fix. am close to having something to try wrt running hooks, but running out of steam
[07:36] <axw_> wallyworld: no worries


[12:56] <\sh> good morning :)
[12:57] <\sh> I need some help with bzr source uploads to bazaar.launchpad.net
[12:59] <\sh> I just uploaded the source files for kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>... and now I need to register a branch to the product...what is the download url for this branch?
[09:32] <rjian> hello just wait to ask... how can i create a team?
[09:56] <jamesh> rjian: https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[12:43] <Bader> hi
[12:46] <jenda> hello
[12:46] <jenda> Any LP.net administrators around?
[12:50] <jenda> darn, is there a mailing list of launchpad admins to post to, or should I just choose one of them...?
[12:59] <LarstiQ> jenda: there is the support tracker, or the launchpad-users list in general
[01:22] <LarstiQ> jenda: what do you want to ask them?
[01:24] <steveire> I ordered ten cds to where I am living now, but in less than two weeks I won't be living here anymore. Will it be a problem for me to order new cds if they don't arrive?
[01:25] <steveire> 10 CDs requested in 2006-07-25. 10 CDs approved and sent to the shipping company in 2006-07-25.
[01:26] <lifeless> steveire: its not a problem, but it would be nice if you got your mail etc forwarded
[01:26] <steveire> how big will the package be?
[01:26] <lifeless> we may be able to issue updated address instructions, if you contact the shipit people - theres a link/mail address on shipit about that
[01:27] <steveire> I'm moving from Germany to Ireland you see...
[01:27] <lifeless> 10 cds, in cardboard slips
[01:27] <lifeless> bag around them, thats the lot.
[01:27] <steveire> ah.
[01:47] <jenda> LarstiQ: sorry, was away
[01:47] <jenda> I'd like a project registered.
[01:47] <lifeless> jenda: what project ?
[01:48] <jenda> ubuntu-marketing
[01:48] <lifeless> projects are fairly heavyweight, nearly all things open source are best represented as products
[01:48] <jenda> In order to unite the fridge, uwn, ubuntu-magazine, spreadubuntu and other products
[01:49] <jenda> ubuntuvideo is one other that comes to mind - and there will most probably be more: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[01:53] <jenda> lifeless, so you think it's a no-go?
[01:53] <lifeless> well, its not as clear as say gnome or kde, and I do wonder why these products wouldn't be managed the way other ubuntu products are:
[01:54] <lifeless> which is that they have a group for them that matches the relevant org structure
[01:54] <lifeless> but are essentially free-floating
[01:54] <jenda> hmm
[01:54] <lifeless> If you could email launchpad-users asking for it to be made, and what you want from having a 'project' that may get you some good idea on achieving your goals
[01:55] <jenda> Well, i had a look at the list of projects in launchpad, and they didn't seem to be as clear as GNOME or KDE, mostly.
[01:55] <lifeless> a launchpad project offers some specific things - if you need those, then a project is likely appropriate. I'm not in a good position to judge right now though
[01:55] <jenda> OK, I'll do that.
[01:55] <steveire> I emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about the address issue. Still not sure what to do about it, but no harm done I guess.
[01:56] <jenda> Which specific things would those be? (Apart from allowing products to be grouped together)
[01:57] <lifeless> unified view on translations
[01:57] <lifeless> unified view on bugs
[01:57] <lifeless> unified view on specifications
[01:57] <lifeless> thats about it
[02:00] <jenda> That's pretty much what I was looking for.
[02:01] <jenda> The groups working on the individual products overlay each other loosely, and all communicate on #ubuntu-marketing and the ubuntu-marketing mailing list (with the exception of #ubuntu-fridge).
[02:42] <LarstiQ> lifeless: can projects contain other projects?
[02:42] <lifeless> nope
[04:44] <phanatic> afternoon
[04:47] <jenda> ftanun
[05:10] <panickedthumb> hullo everyone. I'm trying to do the following, per PlanetUbuntu wiki page
[05:10] <panickedthumb> $ bzr checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>planet-ubuntu
[05:10] <panickedthumb> but I'm getting this:
[05:11] <panickedthumb> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:11] <panickedthumb> any ideas?
[05:13] <jenda> panickedthumb: you might want to try #bzr
[05:14] <panickedthumb> good idea
[05:14] <jenda> and I think you checkout through http, not sftp
[05:14] <panickedthumb> thought you had RL work to do ;)
[05:14] <jenda> I do, but I didn't force myself to get up yet.
[05:14] <panickedthumb> I'll try that too
[05:15] <LarstiQ> panickedthumb: it looks like you are using bzr 0.8, and you are missing paramiko (due to a bug in 0.8, it isn't notifying you of that very well)
[05:19] <panickedthumb> ahhh, ok
[05:20] <panickedthumb> yes, just checked, it's 0.8
[05:20] <jamesh> panickedthumb: you don't have paramiko installed
[05:21] <panickedthumb> well, http worked fine
[05:21] <jamesh> the SFTP implementation in bzr depends on the paramiko library
[05:22] <panickedthumb> yeah, gotcha. I installed paramiko for any future needs
[05:22] <panickedthumb> thanks :)
[05:23] <LarstiQ> panickedthumb: you're on dapper?
[05:23] <panickedthumb> yes
[05:23] <jamesh> panickedthumb: also, if you configure your ~/.ssh/config file correctly, you can leave the "panickedthumb@" bit out of the SFTP URL
[05:23] <LarstiQ> I wonder if it is worthwhile to get 0.9 into dapper now
[05:24] <panickedthumb> well, crap, now I'm getting this:
[05:24] <panickedthumb> travis@eniac:~/planet-ubuntu$ bzr add heads/panickedthumb.png
[05:24] <panickedthumb> bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for /home/travis/planet-ubuntu/.bzr/checkout/.
[05:25] <jamesh> did the failed checkout leave any garbage behind?
[05:25] <panickedthumb> perhaps. I'll rm -rf and try again
[05:25] <LarstiQ> that's funny
[05:26] <jamesh> jenda: the longer you wait to ask your question, the longer it will take to get an answer ...
[05:26] <jenda> :)
[05:27] <jenda> I would like to know more about Rosetta. In particular, what would be necessary in order to translate things like the Fridge or the UWN.
[05:27] <jamesh> fridge UI or fridge stories?
[05:28] <jamesh> I don't think Rosetta is that well suited to documentation translation
[05:28] <jenda> Both, i suppose, but mainly stories.
[05:28] <jenda> Hmm
[05:28] <jenda> But Desktop Guides are translated.
[05:28] <jenda> and other docs too.
[05:28] <jenda> and it works great...
[05:29] <jenda> (I was more worried about Rosetta being able to supply translations on the fly)
[05:29] <jamesh> if you want a better answer either (a) email launchpad-users with your question, or (b) come back on a weekday in European time
[05:29] <jamesh> (the guys responsible for Rosetta are in Spain and Serbia)
[05:30] <jenda> OK
[05:30] <jenda> I'll email the list - I just did with another question...
[05:33] <panickedthumb> fyi, appears you have to use sftp. http didn't bring down any authentication, etc.
[05:33] <phanatic> jamesh: the translation import queue is also checked only on weekdays?
[05:34] <jamesh> phanatic: I don't know.  You'd have to ask carlos or danilos
[05:34] <LarstiQ> panickedthumb: 'bring down authentication'?
[05:35] <phanatic> jamesh: thanks
[05:35] <jamesh> panickedthumb: you can't push changes to bazaar.launchpad.net via HTTP if that's what you mean.
[05:35] <phanatic> danilos: ping


[08:39] <jil> hi.  Is Linux mint using the same kernel as ubuntu ?
[08:40] <jil> And if I'm using the recommanded version 3.19.0-32 is there danger to break something if I upgrade to the 4.4 serie ?
[08:58] <jil> bye