[12:04] <tonyyarusso> build-deps rather
[12:04] <tonyyarusso> Darn those Ss
[12:05] <tonyyarusso> Or maybe not...
[12:05] <tonyyarusso> Guess it is without the s
[12:05] <T-ROK> lol
[12:05] <T-ROK> ok done
[12:05] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[12:06] <tonyyarusso> Run that verbose?  'sudo apt-get build-deb -v idjc'
[12:08] <T-ROK> ok
[12:09] <T-ROK> good point
[12:09] <nothlit> i didn't learn anything running gentoo except how to exactly manipulate portage
[12:09] <tonyyarusso> Try 'sudo aptitude install libflac-dev libjack0.100.0-dev libogg-dev libsamplerate0-dev libshout3-dev libslang2-dev libsndfile1-dev libspeex-dev libtheora-dev libvorbis-dev libxine-dev python-gobject-dev python-gtk2-dev'
[12:10] <tonyyarusso> now wait a sec
[12:10] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, and after you install idcj, sudo aptitude markauto all those packages
[12:11] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: Something in here wants to upgrade libc6-i686!
[12:12] <nothlit> thats part of ubuntu-minimal
[12:12] <tonyyarusso> I know...not pretty
[12:12] <nothlit> there was some libc6 dependency breakage lately in feisty
[12:12] <nothlit> err edgy
[12:12] <tonyyarusso> Why does this need a non-dev one?
[12:12] <tonyyarusso> aargh
[12:13] <nothlit> libc6 problems? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2057713
[12:13] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: Are you suggesting maybe his Edgy isn't up to date and that's the problem, not actually what we're doing?
[12:13] <nothlit> i'm saying that could be the issue
[12:13] <nothlit> TONS of people had that libc6/-i686 problem
[12:14] <tonyyarusso> He has the new version listed there.
[12:14] <nothlit> anyways for me, whenever i installed a package thats dependencies weren't filled and used dpkg, aptitude install fixed them automagically
[12:16] <tonyyarusso> I'm asking some people where we go from here.
[12:16] <nothlit> kk
[12:24] <T-ROK> so?
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> We're debating
[12:24] <nothlit> you asking in #ubuntu-dev ?
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> -ops, actually
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> (there happen to be some devs around)
[12:26] <nothlit> aww, i doubt i could go watch in there
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> You could.  quietly :)
[12:27] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Open up the source folder again
[12:29] <T-ROK> that one?
[12:30] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[12:31] <tonyyarusso> Bring it more into the main window.
[12:31] <tonyyarusso> I want to see if we can find a depends/rules file
[12:32] <tonyyarusso> What's in the INSTALL text file first?
[12:32] <T-ROK> the thing i put in the paste bin
[12:33] <tonyyarusso> Ah, cool.  Pastebin README too then.
[12:33] <nothlit> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3241/
[12:33] <T-ROK> ok
[12:33] <T-ROK> how do i get to the pastebin again?
[12:33] <tonyyarusso> !paste
[12:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:33] <T-ROK> Internet DJ Console README.
[12:33] <T-ROK> A full set of documentation can be found in the doc directory of the source tree in html format and on the homepage http://idjc.sourceforge.net.
[12:33] <T-ROK> thats all
[12:34] <tonyyarusso> awesome
[12:39] <tonyyarusso> Okay, we're either going to try a different tactic or not be able to do it.  In either case, we're not going to use feisty sources after all.  Open up sources.list again, remove those four we added at the bottom, uncomment the other -src lines from before, save, and update.
[12:39] <T-ROK> do i press n on that thing then
[12:40] <tonyyarusso> Press q, actually.
[12:40] <T-ROK> ok now how do i open that again
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:42] <T-ROK> and save?
[12:42] <tonyyarusso> yes
[12:43] <T-ROK> ok
[12:43] <tonyyarusso> and aptitude update
[12:43] <T-ROK> ok how lol
[12:44] <T-ROK> i have bad memory
[12:44] <tonyyarusso> sudo aptitude update
[12:44] <T-ROK> lol easy enough
[12:44] <T-ROK> ok
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> Okay, where are you at now - waiting?
[12:51] <T-ROK> who me?
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[12:52] <T-ROK> im just siting here reading what you guys are saying scratching my head
[12:52] <T-ROK> :-P
[12:53] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[12:53] <gnomefreak> wouldnt even worry about it. tonyyarusso will let you knwo what to do ;)
[12:54] <gnomefreak> i dont see why just doing ./configure than make than checkinstall should do fine unless you really want to change default ./configure
[12:54] <tonyyarusso> Right now I'm looking up package names for the actual dependencies listed on the web site, and checking which ones have -dev things to go with.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: the INSTALL file doesnt tell you?
[12:55] <nothlit> i just try and see if things break
[12:55] <nothlit> ./configure almost always tells you
[12:55] <T-ROK> i'm reading the evh article in march's isue of guitar world since were all stateing what were doing :p
[12:55] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Doesn't look like it.
[12:55] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: well, true
[12:56] <gnomefreak> cant help with depends till i finish here and boot ubuntu :(
[12:56] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: you are using apt-cache search right?
[12:56] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: yes
[12:56] <gnomefreak> ok good :) p.u.c takes too damn long
[12:57] <nothlit> apt-cache --names-only search
[12:58] <nothlit> gnomefreak, never seen it shortened like that
[12:58] <T-ROK> wow windows is so user friendly lol
[12:58] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: not really :(
[12:59] <T-ROK> more so than this lol
[12:59] <gnomefreak> file system on linux is easier to understand if you ask me
[12:59] <T-ROK> well, i guess it depends what you got used to
[12:59] <gnomefreak> easy to find config files in linux
[12:59] <T-ROK> im completely new to linux so its all quite confusing
[01:00] <nothlit> yes windows is very point and click friendly
[01:00] <gnomefreak> more you play easier it becomes
[01:00] <nothlit> it all depends on your definition of user-friendly though
[01:00] <T-ROK> yeah i suppose
[01:00] <nothlit> user intuitiveness/power/control
[01:01] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: i see it this way. example your 25 that means you have been using windows for 18 years (who wouldnt learn something in 18 years)
[01:01] <T-ROK> tonyyarusso, if i go run and grab a shower can you controll my pc and stuff or should i stay here?
[01:01] <T-ROK> yeah i suppose
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: almost there
[01:01] <T-ROK> ok
[01:01] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: build it for him since youve gone this far. ill post the .deb
[01:02] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:02] <gnomefreak> oh wait no im not eaiterh im on suse will be on feisty in 30 minutes :(
[01:02] <T-ROK> i'm going to want to install this on other machines later this week, would you recomend an easy way....they dont have os's yet so
[01:03] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: use checkinstall and save the .deb file
[01:03] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: transfer the .deb file to otehr pcs
[01:03] <T-ROK> i dont know what that means :-[
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> sudo aptitude install python python-dev eyed3 python-eyed3 jackd python-gtk2 python-gtk2-dev vorbis-tools libxine-dev libxine1 libsamplerate0 libsamplerate0-dev libsndfile1 libsndfile1-dev flac libflac-dev libshout3 libshout3-dev lame liblame0 liblame-dev libfaad2-0 libfaad2-dev
[01:03] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: will explain it in more detail im sure
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: ^^
[01:03] <T-ROK> lol
[01:03] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: add checkinstall and build-essential
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: already got b-e
[01:04] <gnomefreak> to that list :)
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Yeah, throw checkinstall on the end
[01:04] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: hes gonna want to use it on mor ethan one pc
[01:04] <gnomefreak> make install doesnt do .debs
[01:04] <T-ROK> oops should i press n and redo it then?
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Yeah, just forgot to do it now :)
[01:04] <gnomefreak> sure you want to use aptitude for that
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Sure.  Or just do it again later.
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: why not?
[01:05] <gnomefreak> lots of recommends and suggested packages will also be installed
[01:05] <T-ROK> ok i pressed n so whats the complete thing i need to do
[01:05] <gnomefreak> unles syou use -R
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> a'ight
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> sudo aptitude -R install python python-dev eyed3 python-eyed3 jackd python-gtk2 python-gtk2-dev vorbis-tools libxine-dev libxine1 libsamplerate0 libsamplerate0-dev libsndfile1 libsndfile1-dev flac libflac-dev libshout3 libshout3-dev lame liblame0 liblame-dev libfaad2-0 libfaad2-dev checkinstall
[01:05] <gnomefreak> talking what 50 or so packages compared to 15-20
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Right syntax, or does -R come after intall?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> thats fine
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> Are we having fun yet?
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> :P
[01:06] <gnomefreak> doesnt much matter wher the flags go (sometimes but eh)
[01:06] <gnomefreak> not me
[01:06] <T-ROK> i tihnk my heads about to explode
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> One of these days I'll finish reading the packaging docs, and know how to do this without checkinstall....
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Do we add packages to universe for released non-LTS ever?
[01:07] <T-ROK> i wish someone would just make a exe like windows that i could just double click and install:-P
[01:07] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: ill trade you. you go through my email (i havent checked it in 2 days or so) and ill build it. im betting ill be done building it and installing it before you are done with my email
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: They are.  That person is you.  :)
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> kinda
[01:07] <T-ROK> oh what lol
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I'll bet you're right.
[01:07] <gnomefreak> maybe 600 emails give or take
[01:07] <T-ROK> 8-)
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> It would be a good long-term skill.
[01:08] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: once you do it. its not as hard as you think it is
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> Then I could help out more with stuff than just sitting on IRC too
[01:08] <T-ROK> so what is this doing now making a file?
[01:08] <gnomefreak> if the make files and config files are good you should hav eno problems
[01:09] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: installing dependencies
[01:09] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, add? i doubt it unless fixing a serious vulnerability required it
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Right now you're installing dependencies.  In the end you will get a .deb file which on subsequent machines you can just double-click to install.
[01:09] <T-ROK> oh ok sweet
[01:09] <gnomefreak> any debain or debian type distros like ubuntu llibrant and a few others
[01:10] <gnomefreak> -l
[01:11] <nothlit> eh, checkinstall packages aren't really supposed to be distributed
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> gah, there's more packages
[01:14] <gnomefreak> gdebi should handle depends for you maybe 1 or 2 more clicks
[01:15] <T-ROK> it finished !
[01:15] <gnomefreak> nope
[01:15] <gnomefreak> sorry i like that part
[01:15] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: btw make might take a while
[01:15] <gnomefreak> ive ran make on somethings for a few 3-4 hours
[01:15] <T-ROK> what you mean its not done?
[01:16] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: you just installed packages you need to build it
[01:16] <T-ROK> oh
[01:16] <T-ROK> so now what?
[01:16] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: maybe 6 more commands
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> sudo aptitude install jackeq libjack0.100.0-0 libjack0.100.0-dev jack
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: more...
[01:16] <gnomefreak> ah more
[01:16] <gnomefreak> jackd should have brought those in
[01:16] <nothlit> err jack is like a game or something
[01:16] <nothlit> !info jack
[01:16] <ubotu> jack: Rip and encode CDs with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1+cvs20050801-11 (edgy), package size 125 kB, installed size 580 kB
[01:16] <gnomefreak> its sound
[01:16] <nothlit> sorry its a ripper
[01:17] <gnomefreak> sort of
[01:17] <nothlit> i mean the jack package
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> I dunno, I did a few at a time :)
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> It wanted "jack", but I suspect it actually needs the others instead.
[01:17] <nothlit> the jack asychronous and synchronous packages are the jackd
[01:17] <T-ROK> tonyyarusso, i really need to go get my shower lol, are you able to controll my computer to do the rest?
[01:17] <nothlit> i'm saying "jack" the package in ubuntu is not what you want
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Maybe?  I'm not sure if I'm just viewing or if I can control. We'll find out in a sec.
[01:18] <nothlit> gnomefreak, see the !info jack :P
[01:18] <T-ROK> ok
[01:18] <gnomefreak> nothlit: i saw it
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> gaaah
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> Yep, I have control T-ROK
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> cool
[01:18] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:18] <T-ROK> ok im going for a bit then
[01:18] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: ssh?
[01:18] <T-ROK> have fun! :-p
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: vnc
[01:19] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, you can control lol
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Leave the terminal up!
[01:19] <nothlit> if its default
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> there
[01:19] <gnomefreak> leave everything up
[01:19] <nothlit> gnomefreak, i told them to use a reverse connection vnc server, because its the easiest thing
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I meant up as in maximized - I can't see his panel :S
[01:20] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, i was recommending you do it for him lol because its highly doubtful he will learn anything
[01:20] <gnomefreak> they are gonna have an open connection for a while im betting
[01:20] <nothlit> oh, don't fullscreen in the vncviewer default package that ubuntu has
[01:20] <nothlit> not unless you want to go to virtual console and run killall
[01:20] <nothlit> you need the vnc4 version by realvnc
[01:20] <gnomefreak> nothlit: i might have not held that back in the beginning ;)
[01:20] <nothlit> or maybe the tightvnc viewer, i'm not sure how that one is
[01:21] <nothlit> the reverse scrolling in vncviewer 3 is funny... you need to right click
[01:23] <tonyyarusso> what the heck...
[01:23] <gnomefreak> you would thinnk 1.2 gig transfer file to file would be faster
[01:23] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: what errors?
[01:24] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Says samplerate isn't found.
[01:24] <gnomefreak> you cant be much past ./configure
[01:24] <nothlit> gnomefreak, rofl i would expect that to take hours on adsl
[01:24] <nothlit> 40kbps is torture
[01:24] <gnomefreak> half hour give or take
[01:24] <tonyyarusso> That's with samplerater-programs libsamplerate0 libsamplerate0-dev
[01:24] <tonyyarusso> -r on rater
[01:25] <gnomefreak> nothlit: this is off net. on net im at about 26kbps down and 10 up
[01:25] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: your missing one or 2
[01:25] <nothlit> off net? it should take 5 minutes tops
[01:25] <nothlit> even on wireless
[01:25] <gnomefreak> half hour :(
[01:25] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: one or two what though?  These are the only ones apt-cache gives.
[01:25] <gnomefreak> 36 minutes
[01:25] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: one or two packages
[01:25] <nothlit> gnomefreak, you running at 10mbps?
[01:25] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: is this a setting your ssetting in ./configure?
[01:26] <gnomefreak> 493kbps atm
[01:26] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, theres a prog that can help you find depends
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: This is ./configure failing to run, with the only option passed being --prefix
[01:26] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: remove the --refix and try it
[01:26] <nothlit> or LjL has a script that wraps that and checkinstall together
[01:26] <gnomefreak> prefix even
[01:26] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, its on the wiki somewhere
[01:27] <nothlit> !checkinstall
[01:27] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[01:27] <gnomefreak> this is too much damn work
[01:28] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutoApt
[01:29] <gnomefreak> auto-apt is bad
[01:29] <gnomefreak> from what i hear
[01:29] <gnomefreak> autodeb is the one you were referring to :)
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: I don't have header files though.
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> checking for SAMPLERATE... configure: error: Package requirements (samplerate) were not met:
[01:30] <nothlit> gnomefreak, autodeb wraps auto-apt and checkinstall together
[01:30] <nothlit> gnomefreak, anyways, i was just recommending it if he got stuck
[01:30] <gnomefreak> i can help in about 10 minutes with that but not much before than
[01:30] <nothlit> basically it can give you false alarms
[01:31] <nothlit> thinks like make depends and fake depends
[01:31] <nothlit> 'fake depends'*
[01:32] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: there has to be a package missing or the path needs to be set (not sure) but when i get to ubuntu i will check for soundrate depends
[01:32] <nalioth> autodeb ?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> nalioth: its auto-apt and checkinstall in one script
[01:33] <nothlit> nalioth, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutoDeb
[01:33] <gnomefreak> from what the auto-apt wiki says
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> libsamplerate0 Depends: libc6
[01:33] <gnomefreak> ha
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> all I found
[01:33] <gnomefreak> figured as much
[01:33] <gnomefreak> should be fine though
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> But, Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1)
[01:34] <nothlit> anyways you run your configure command inside auto-apt
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> So yeah, that's fine
[01:34] <gnomefreak> edgy is 2.4
[01:34] <nothlit> or maybe i'm thinking of the wrong package
[01:34] <gnomefreak> look for libc6 dev packages or glibc dev packages
[01:34] <gnomefreak> not sure what its listed as
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> okay
[01:34] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: there should also be a libsamplerate0-dev
[01:35] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: We have that one.
[01:36] <gnomefreak> yay down to less than a minute :)
[01:36] <gnomefreak> than copy it to ubuntu than continue the 24 hour download :(
[01:36] <gnomefreak> brb booting ubuntu
[01:37] <tonyyarusso> Waaaaaaiiiiitt a sec
[01:38] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, consult the package building wiki articles
[01:38] <nothlit> they should document the dependency finding tool somewhere
[01:38] <nothlit> or the official dev handbook
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> It seems to be working on his machine, and not mine.  I had anticipated the other way around.
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> @gnomefreak: It seems to be working on his machine, and not mine.  I had anticipated the other way around.
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> He looks all set
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> I had been trying configure locally and failing, but for kicks I tried it there and it was fine
[01:42] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:42] <tonyyarusso> Why do you suppose that is?
[01:43] <nothlit> diff environment
[01:43] <nothlit> or the packages have been updated and include different dependencies/structure on feisty
[01:43] <tonyyarusso> That could be
[01:43] <nothlit> s/structure/architecture
[01:43] <T-ROK> im back
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: :)
[01:44] <T-ROK> is it done?
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> I think so.
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> Try running it.
[01:44] <T-ROK> cool
[01:44] <T-ROK> how?
[01:44] <tonyyarusso> It _probably_ added itself to your Applications menu.
[01:44] <T-ROK> yup
[01:44] <T-ROK> i see
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> sweet
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> Give it a spin
[01:46] <tonyyarusso> Not bad...
[01:46] <nothlit> oh you used checkinstall huh? did you add the dependencies into the checkinstall package?
[01:46] <nothlit> oh you can purge all the -dev packages now they should only be makedepends
[01:47] <T-ROK> sweet
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> Now playing: Joel Plaskett - Nowhere Without You :)
[01:47] <T-ROK> how do i install it on others now?
[01:47] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: copy the .deb file to a USB stck or cd or somehting
[01:47] <gnomefreak> email even maybe
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: In that same folder, there's a .deb file.  Just copy that over to the other computers and double-click (in Ubuntu at least), or do 'sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb'
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, if you want to look back at what we did and get rid of the -dev packages, go ahead.
[01:48] <T-ROK> it wont play?
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> err
[01:48] <nothlit> he needs to start jackd maybe
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: Is that an init script?
[01:48] <nothlit> and kill esd if he has that
[01:49] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, not sure
[01:49] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, i just figured out the jackd stuff so wine would stop complaining
[01:49] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: You want to take it from here, since you seem to know how this package works a little?
[01:50] <nothlit> i just read some random wiki article about sound
[01:50] <nothlit> but only in scanning
[01:50] <nothlit> and i have no idea how that package is supposed to work, or jack
[01:50] <nothlit> the #ubuntu-studio folks might know
[01:50] <tonyyarusso> true
[01:50] <nothlit> or ##linuxaudio
[01:51] <nothlit> i don't know what #lad is
[01:51] <nothlit> oh linux audio developers
[01:51] <nothlit> AlinuxOS, this is an ubuntu channel, not an alinuxos channel :P
[01:52] <AlinuxOS> :)
[01:52] <AlinuxOS> it's only my nickname
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Do you have all of the necessary codecs and such for the type of music file you're trying to play?
[01:52] <T-ROK> i wouldnt know lol
[01:53] <T-ROK> i just installed ubuntu so maybe not
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> Aaaaaah
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> That's it.
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> !restricted | T-ROK
[01:53] <ubotu> T-ROK: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:56] <T-ROK> so that will install all of the codecs?
[01:56] <nothlit> for gstreamer, it should
[01:56] <tonyyarusso> It takes a couple of steps, but yes.  Notably, you'll need to get w32codecs separately.
[01:56] <nothlit> barring windows/realplayer/apple codecs and dvd decryption
[01:57] <T-ROK> how do i get those ones?
[01:57] <nothlit> the page will tell you how
[01:57] <T-ROK> ok
[01:57] <nothlit> use*
[01:58] <T-ROK> so i should do this to? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> yep
[02:00] <nothlit> piping breaks the sudo pw prompt
[02:00] <T-ROK> ok when thats done do i have to do anything else?
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> probably not
[02:00] <T-ROK> ok
[02:01] <gnomefreak> your gonna need libxine-extracodecs
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> ah
[02:01] <gnomefreak> maybe w32codecs also for one or 2 types
[02:01] <nothlit> does idjc use libxine?
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[02:01] <gnomefreak> iirc one of the depedns on that was libxine
[02:02] <nothlit> oh, then he doesn't need the gstreamer codecs
[02:02] <nothlit> but they're good to have ^^
[02:03] <T-ROK> it's still not playing the mp3's
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> That's probably the libxine-extracodecs thing, right gnomefreak ?
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Install that when your w32 is done
[02:03] <gnomefreak> huh?
[02:03] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:04] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: not sure if it uses gstreamer also or not i just remember libxine
[02:04] <gnomefreak> so you will want the libxine-extracodcs
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Unmute your PC Speaker :)
[02:05] <T-ROK> how?
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> The window you just had open - go back to that'
[02:05] <T-ROK> lol
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> See that?
[02:06] <nothlit> ROFL
[02:06] <T-ROK> still cant hear though
[02:06] <tonyyarusso> How's your w32 download doing?
[02:06] <tonyyarusso> good
[02:06] <T-ROK> done?
[02:07] <tonyyarusso> sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[02:08] <T-ROK> ok
[02:09] <T-ROK> :D
[02:09] <T-ROK> it works
[02:10] <T-ROK> Thanks!
[02:10] <T-ROK> how will i get all of that on the other computers?
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> a sec - watch
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> ohp, or not.
[02:10] <T-ROK> what
[02:11] <T-ROK> ooops i closed it
[02:11] <T-ROK> how do i get that again
[02:11] <nothlit> you need all the dependencies again
[02:11] <tonyyarusso> Home Folder > where the source was > the deb file - see a deb file?
[02:11] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: You're mean
[02:11] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, you used checkinstall :P
[02:11] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: so?
[02:11] <T-ROK> yeah theres a deb there
[02:11] <nothlit> did you add all the needed dependencies in to the package desc?
[02:12] <nothlit> i tried before, didn't work too well (i didn't try very hard though)
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> I didn't, no
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> Oh...
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> Not the compile ones, the others...
[02:14] <nothlit> yeah, thats why you need all the dependencies again, for transportation
[02:15] <tonyyarusso> Well, you can just copy-paste some apt-get lines first then.
[02:15] <tonyyarusso> Basically, everything that didn't end in -dev
[02:16] <T-ROK> can we compile another .deb thing that will put on all of th ecodecs too
[02:17] <tonyyarusso> We probably could.  I'm not really sure about the ins and outs of checkinstall though.  nothlit you want to, so I can eat?
[02:17] <T-ROK> can i make my own irc chanel and host it and stuff?
[02:17] <T-ROK> like for the station
[02:17] <T-ROK> for requests
[02:18] <nothlit> yes, but if its not official you need ##
[02:18] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, they're all there if i scroll up?
[02:18] <tonyyarusso> So like, /join ##T-ROK
[02:18] <T-ROK> is it possible to make an official one
[02:19] <T-ROK> and have whoevers Djing at the time be a mod on it
[02:19] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: Should be - I only added -dev after that I think
[02:20] <distro-tester> hello how u unistall things on wine ?
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Check out freenode.net for lots of instructions on that sort of thing.  You could use a supybot to auto-op people during their time slot.
[02:20] <nothlit> or eggdrop
[02:21] <nothlit> is supybot > eggdrop now or something?
[02:21] <nothlit> distro-tester, run the uninstaller
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> supybot I have a smidgen of knowledge about is all ;)
[02:21] <nothlit> or start again!
[02:21] <distro-tester> dosen't work
[02:21] <distro-tester> hi tony
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> hi distro-tester
[02:21] <nothlit> remove you wine folder and start again with wineprefixcreate/winecfg
[02:22] <distro-tester> if u guide me trought it im new user know 0
[02:22] <T-ROK> i have to go will one of you guys be on tomorow to help me out some more?
[02:22] <tonyyarusso> I'll be in class most of tomorrow, but I'm around a lot
[02:23] <T-ROK> what time is it for you now
[02:23] <nothlit> somebody will probably be around to help you in #ubuntu
[02:23] <nothlit> but you need to save the list of dependencies
[02:23] <gnomefreak> who ha sa fast as hell net connection and feels like downloading burning and sending ISO :( j/k btw
[02:23] <tonyyarusso> 8:23 PM
[02:23] <nothlit> samplerater-programs libsamplerate0 libsamplerate0-dev jackeq libjack0.100.0-0 libjack0.100.0-dev
[02:23] <nothlit> python python-dev eyed3 python-eyed3 jackd python-gtk2 python-gtk2-dev vorbis-tools libxine-dev libxine1 libsamplerate0 libsamplerate0-dev libsndfile1 libsndfile1-dev flac libflac-dev libshout3 libshout3-dev lame liblame0 liblame-dev libfaad2-0 libfaad2-dev
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I could :)
[02:24] <nothlit> gnomefreak, you need edgy or feisty?
[02:24] <T-ROK> so i should put those in a text file and after i install idjc on another pc run those
[02:24] <distro-tester> so tony can u help me unistall skype for windows in wine?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> nothlit: neither that would be too easy
[02:24] <distro-tester> or it's better i remove wine?
[02:24] <nothlit> gnomefreak, uptodate feisty?
[02:24] <tonyyarusso> distro-tester: no, sorry.  Don't use wine nor skype
[02:24] <gnomefreak> nothlit: suse 10.2
[02:25] <gnomefreak> im running feisty on here edgy on a couple upstairs
[02:25] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, you need a dvd writer and dvdr, or 5 cdrs :P
[02:25] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: Have both :)
[02:25] <gnomefreak> nothlit: doesnt everyone have a dvd writer
[02:25] <tonyyarusso> Well, DVD writer - would have to get dvdr from someone
[02:25] <nothlit> gnomefreak, you're evil, :P having someone send you all of suse
[02:25] <gnomefreak> i have 6
[02:25] <gnomefreak> nothlit: i said j/k
[02:26] <nothlit> what version if suse do you mean?
[02:26] <gnomefreak> 10.2
[02:26] <nothlit> what forums say about SuSE eval totally conflicts novell's site
[02:26] <nothlit> no theres two versions of Open SuSE, an oss and non oss version or something
[02:27] <gnomefreak> opensuse and suse are not really the same
[02:27] <T-ROK> how can you get feisty?
[02:27] <nothlit> something else i read said open suse was OSS and suse eval was the non oss
[02:27] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: you dont want to yet
[02:27] <nothlit> T-ROK, don't worry about it
[02:27] <gnomefreak> oops
[02:27] <nothlit> T-ROK, its for developers, mostly
[02:27] <gnomefreak> T-ROK: you dont want to yet its way too early in devel
[02:27] <T-ROK> ok
[02:27] <nothlit> distro-tester, ask #wine, i'm not sure if there is an official way or special tool
[02:28] <distro-tester> thanx
[02:28] <nothlit> i think #wine is nicer than most channels, not sure though
[02:29] <T-ROK> ok well im out
[02:29] <T-ROK> i'll be around tomorow
[02:35] <tonyyarusso> that was fun
[11:02] <zen> morning
[02:08] <distro-tester> btw im sorry tony i installed last wine now im better
[02:08] <tonyyarusso> ah
[02:08] <distro-tester> u know where to find tcl for amsn?
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> apt-get install amsn?
[02:09] <distro-tester> yes but adept has 95 latest is 30 i istalled that only i nead tlc to finish istall where i get it from?
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> Why do you need the latest?
[02:10] <distro-tester> tcl*
[02:10] <nothlit> you need to be more clear with version numbers and dependencies
[02:10] <nothlit> anyways, always running the latest software goes against how ubuntu works
[02:10] <distro-tester> couse i like to install updated software im i wrong on that?
[02:10] <distro-tester> i see
[02:11] <distro-tester> what distro does that?
[02:11] <distro-tester> i nead all gui and latest software avaible
[02:11] <nothlit> gentoo
[02:11] <nothlit> oh gui
[02:11] <tonyyarusso> apt-get install tcl8.4 should work anyway, but unless you have a real reason to get the latest I don't see why you'd bother
[02:11] <nothlit> i have no idea
[02:12] <distro-tester> i see i just fought last version was better but if u say amsn is the same even if older version i can keep that
[02:13] <distro-tester> btw i could use kopete to they both do cam on msn yahoo so have to see what's best
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> distro-tester: Have you considered #ubuntu-it, by the way?
[02:14] <distro-tester> yes i like more english sites u mind?
[02:15] <tonyyarusso> Not really, just thought it might be more effective.
[02:15] <distro-tester> ok i installed that from adept thanx tony the tcl
[02:15] <distro-tester> 8.4
[02:16] <distro-tester> can u explain me why the latest software is not ubuntu and what u miss by not having latest software ?
[02:16] <nothlit> stability and ease of management
[02:17] <nothlit> ubuntu is based off debian stable snapshots, which they patch and make more stable and then provide security updates for
[02:17] <nothlit> err debian unstable snapshots*
[02:17] <nothlit> its by necessity that ubuntu is this way
[02:18] <distro-tester> i see so if im looking for gui and latest software rpm distros are more like right noth?
[02:18] <tonyyarusso> No.  Source distros.
[02:18] <nothlit> he wants gui
[02:18] <tonyyarusso> good luck
[02:18] <nothlit> anyways theres binary distros that are rolling as well
[02:19] <nothlit> but they're all advanced linux distros and you wouldn't like them, distro-tester
[02:19] <distro-tester> i see
[02:19] <nothlit> my guess is that you would want SuSE, or VLOS
[02:19] <distro-tester> yes like gentoo that install every think from source kernell
[02:20] <nothlit> but a Mac is a good thing like i originally said
[02:20] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, not really, i'm running one atm
[02:20] <distro-tester> im trying to put back freespire now as u said i won't be  in danger of hack couse now has pass for console
[02:20] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, and theres still a build system
[02:20] <nothlit> no i said it uses sudo
[02:20] <distro-tester> what u think of pcoslinux and mepis?
[02:20] <nothlit> mepis has good hardware support/dangerous territory software and drivers
[02:21] <nothlit> and its all setup for you
[02:21] <distro-tester> yes im a bit confused on su sudo and root to
[02:21] <nothlit> pclinuxos, was not memorable in the reviews i've read
[02:21] <nothlit> but it is prettier than mepis
[02:21] <distro-tester> now is 2 to ubuntu on distrowatch strange
[02:21] <distro-tester> yes another problem os simple distros that they ugly whit old kde
[02:21] <distro-tester> usualy
[02:22] <nothlit> default, unmodified.
[02:22] <distro-tester> ahha seems like seems in linux that what u get in a distro u loose in another and there's no best one
[02:22] <distro-tester> maby couse they to much aroud now
[02:22] <nothlit> thats because theyre for advanced users
[02:22] <nothlit> anyways play around and you'll find the best for you
[02:23] <distro-tester> i hope
[02:23] <distro-tester> can u explain me what changes from linspire whit real distros as here where u must put pass in console?
[02:23] <distro-tester> that is what i can't understand much now
[02:24] <nothlit> i explained it before, but i'm afraid repeating it won't help you understand
[02:24] <distro-tester> well what i rember on both lin and free as they the same is that u don't put password on console as here just write command line if u want and go
[02:25] <distro-tester> but cnr does all for u so don't nead it
[02:25] <distro-tester> that's what i like of it
[02:26] <distro-tester> i know u powerusers prefare to do every thing from console do thing i hate
[02:29] <distro-tester> good night must be night in usa
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> It's 8:30 AM US Eastern
[02:30] <distro-tester> 14.30 in rome
[02:30] <distro-tester> this is what i nead now Tk GUI Toolkit if u know where to find it for amsn
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> you'll find it in the repos with everything else.  Search them.
[02:33] <distro-tester> i found gtk+2 must be that
[05:25] <T-ROK> hello
[05:26] <T-ROK> I'm having trouble with IDJC again


[02:46] <MDesade> hello hello, anyone around to help me here?
[03:04] <MDesade> i need help cross compiling, since i am new to this im sure im missing something stupid
[05:07] <cdnjay> Hi, did Ubuntu 8.04 support ARMv6?
[05:08] <micahg> cdnjay: armel support was added in 9.04
[05:08] <cdnjay> OK, so was 9.04 the only version to support ARMv6 then?
[05:09] <micahg> cdnjay: and 9.10, both EOL, Debian stable is the best bet for armv6 for an Ubuntu like setup
[05:09] <infinity> I don't recall exactly when each option was changed.
[05:09] <infinity> But yes, what micahg said.
[05:09] <infinity> Installed an unsupported release for ARMv6 isn't a sane option.
[05:09] <infinity> s/installed/installing/
[05:10] <micahg> IIRC, Debian stable base arm support is armv4t
[05:11] <infinity> Aye.
[05:11] <micahg> cdnjay: http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ and http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort for more information
[05:12] <cdnjay> micahg: OK, thanks. I was hoping an LTS had supported it. I guess I'll have to use Debian for Raspberry Pi.
[05:13] <infinity> cdnjay: Nothing wrong with running Debian.
[05:13] <cdnjay> infinity: Haha, thanks.
[05:13] <cdnjay> infinity: I haven't used it much but since Ubuntu is a fork I'm guessing they're somewhat similar?
[05:14]  * micahg hugs infinity
[05:14] <infinity> From a command-line, you'll be hard pressed to really notice any major differences.
[05:14] <infinity> The GUIs we provide are often quite different, but you can't possibly run a full Ubuntu deskop on a Pi anyway.
[05:14] <micahg> cdnjay: Debian stable has support for about another 18 months or so
[05:14] <micahg> er..closer to 20
[05:15] <micahg> Debian's stable releases are supported for ~3 years, ~2 as current stable and 1 as oldstable
[05:16] <gogasan> Hi everyone! I have a problem with playing videos in totem. So: http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/8930/20120311124553.png : RGB channels are moved from their positions. Is there some specific problem for arms and solution?
[05:18] <cdnjay> infinity: No, the Pi is a bit short on RAM for that.
[05:18] <infinity> cdnjay: A "bit"? ;)
[05:19] <cdnjay> infinity: Well, a lot short for Unity.
[05:19] <infinity> A lot short for GNOME in general.
[05:19] <infinity> xfce or lxde might barely squeeze in, but I still suspect you'd swap like made.
[05:19] <infinity> s/made/mad/
[05:20] <infinity> I'd likely only use a Pi for CLI programming fun.
[05:20] <infinity> At which point, Debian and Ubuntu look nearly identical, other than a few little cosmetic bits like the motd.
[05:21] <micahg> lubuntu might actually run decently on it
[05:21] <infinity> gogasan: No idea.  You might want to file a bug.
[05:21] <infinity> micahg: Sure, until you wanted to, like, run applications.
[05:21] <micahg> at least for basics, not for heavy browsing or video
[05:21] <infinity> video should be the one thing it doesn't suck at, actually.
[05:21] <infinity> In theory.
[05:22] <micahg> I'd just suggest running a browser other than chromium in that small footprint
[05:22] <infinity> Something webkit-based, ideally.
[05:22] <cdnjay> infinity: I thought minimum for Gnome was 128 MB? Pi has 256 MB.
[05:22] <infinity> Which reminds me, I promised Maya I'd package Wildfox for her one of these days.
[05:23] <micahg> well, aside from Firefox, that's all that's left in the archive ;)
[05:23] <cdnjay> Hard to take advantage of the 1080p decoding in CLI but yea, that
[05:23] <infinity> cdnjay: I don't tend to pay attention to stated minimums.
[05:23] <cdnjay> I the more likely use.
[05:23] <micahg> hmm, I shouldn't say that, I think we might have imported a browser based on fltk
[05:24] <cdnjay> I = is
[05:24] <micahg> dillo might actually run decently
[05:24] <infinity> epiphany might be alright, but every time they add a new feature to make it suck less, it gets closer to firefox in memory usage, while still being nowhere near in feature parity.
[05:24] <cdnjay> Anyway, thanks!
[05:25] <infinity> micahg: Surely, we must have a webkit-based browser in the archive?
[05:25] <micahg> infinity: firefox is going down in memory usage though, 13 is looking really good WRT memory, it used to use ~5GB resident for me and now is using ~750MB
[05:25] <infinity> micahg: We can't only be using webkit for embedded browsing widgets...
[05:26] <infinity> micahg: 13?  I want your crack, I only have 11.
[05:26] <micahg> infinity: sure, there's midori, epiphany, I was saying the xul based browsers are gone save Firefox and I forgot, Seamonkey
[05:26] <micahg> infinity: firefox-trunk PPA
[05:26] <infinity> (But yes, I've noticed that 11 is wildly more efficient than 10 was)
[05:26] <infinity> Oh, epiphany switched to webkit?  I must have missed when that happened.
[05:27] <micahg> infinity: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/
[05:27] <infinity> Shows how much I pay attention.
[05:27] <micahg> infinity: epiphany switched to webkit in karmic with 2.28 (upstream still supported gecko for that release, but we dropped it)
[05:28] <infinity> Well, my ffox 11 is only eating 1.5G right now.  Maybe I should try 13 and see how much gooder it is.
[05:29] <infinity> It does make me wonder just why it was so awful in 4 through 9, though, if it was this "easy" to find enough low-hanging fruit to cut my usage.
[05:29] <infinity> I used to be at around 6G on average with this same basic set of tabs.
[05:29] <micahg> infinity: they've started pouring resources into their memshrink operation
[05:30] <micahg> infinity: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance/MemShrink
[05:30] <gildean> seems also that 11 already uses a lot less memory tho'
[05:31] <gildean> i've got about 20 tabs open and just 400MB of usage
[05:31] <micahg> ah, could be, I've been on trunk for a while
[05:31] <infinity> gildean: Yeah, that's what I was saying.  I've gone from ~6G to ~1.5G with the same set of tabs.
[05:32] <infinity> Still, if 13's even better, I'm willing to live on the edge for a bit.
[05:32] <gildean> infinity: that's pretty good too
[05:33] <gildean> i didn't test version 10, but between versions 9 and 11 it seems memory usage was cut in about half
[05:34] <infinity> micahg: Is that MemShrink thing focussing solely on firefox, or all mozilla projects?
[05:34] <gildean> with a small number of tabs with no heavy web-apps open in them
[05:35] <infinity> micahg: (Not counting shared code, of course, where they influence other projects by accident)
[05:35] <micahg> infinity: well, it affects the various parts of firefox which include the gecko core that affects other projects like thunderbird and seamonkey
[05:36] <infinity> Sure, but I suspect there are any number of Thunderbird-specific inefficiencies with local caching and the like.
[05:36] <micahg> sure, right, it's not focused on those, just stuff in mozilla-central AFAIK
[05:37] <infinity> Well, it's a start anyway.
[05:37] <infinity> And I might give tbird another try at some point.
[05:37] <infinity> Right now, it only gets opened when someone sends me pretty mail that piping to w3c from mutt can't really make sense of.
[05:39] <infinity> (The last such mail from from the Linux Foundation... I really need to write back and take issue with the fact that the effin' LINUX FOUNDATION was sending HTML-only email instead of multipart text/html)
[05:39] <infinity> It's enough to make a grown nerd cry.
[05:40] <gildean> i used to think that emails should be plain text
[05:40] <infinity> They should.
[05:40] <gildean> but then again, html is nothing more than plain text too
[05:40] <gildean> and i really like html, so i've changed my mind
[05:40] <infinity> But ever since html email came along, there's been an established standard for sending both in one mail.
[05:40] <gildean> all emails should be html
[05:41] <infinity> And the only people who mess up that standard are people writing broken mass-mailing software, generally.
[05:41] <infinity> Most MUAs get it right.
[05:41] <infinity> Even Outlook eventually figured it out.
[05:41] <infinity> So, it's pretty much just lazy web developers who think it's "too hard" to read standards and implement them in their spam scripts.
[11:22] <steev_> is there an issue with the linaro 4.6.3 compiler on armhf?  if i build a kernel with it, it doesn't seem to boot.  (Sadly I haven't really debugged what's going on, was just testing on a machine I had handy, most of my machines are still packed up as I moved yesterday)
[11:23] <steev_> infinity: personally i dislike html emails as well, there is one guy in our lug who insists on sending them, so his emails are always in this ginormous text compared to everyone elses.  He also top posts so *shrug*
[11:45] <lilstevie> html emails are annoying
[19:19] <RoyK> hi all. is there a precise build available somewhere?
[19:21] <RoyK> (for OMAP)
 hi all. is there a precise build available somewhere?
 (for OMAP)
[19:50] <Neko> sorry
[19:50] <Neko> RoyK, the URL is above, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/beta-1/
[19:50] <infinity> Or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ for dailies.
[20:50] <aerou> hello
[20:50] <aerou> I am trying to boot Ubuntu Precise image using u-boot and a tegra2 board
[20:51] <aerou> but after typing the fatload command
[20:51] <aerou> it hangs
[20:52] <aerou> I am wondering why in the supplied boot.txt file is the fatload address 0x7000000
[20:52] <aerou> what does this address mean
[20:52] <aerou> I was trying to find info on this in the web
[20:53] <aerou> but couldnt find a proper description
[20:54] <aerou> While reading guides on how to load different linux images on different arm devices, there was always a different address parameter
[20:54] <aerou> which makes sense, but what does it define exactly
[20:54] <aerou> and how do I know to which address should I load the uImage to?
[20:55] <lilstevie> which device
[20:57] <aerou> the Tegra2 board is the Colibri T20 from Toradex
[20:57] <aerou> and I am trying to boot Ubuntu Precise from microsdhc card
[20:59] <lilstevie> hmm
[21:00] <lilstevie> maybe try looking at their website, cause I know Colibri mainly focused on getting WinCE on their boards
[21:00] <lilstevie> not a lot of info about linux
[21:00] <aerou> exactly
[21:00] <aerou> They provide and Angstrom image
[21:00] <lilstevie> have a look at the Angstrom image
[21:01] <aerou> but no info on getting other Linux images running
[21:01] <lilstevie> there has to be a boot.scr or boot.cmd or boot.txt in that
[21:02] <aerou> the boot.* should only contain loading kernel and initrd, setenv paramters and the boot command itself, right?
[21:04] <aerou> here is the output of "printenv" command in u-boot
[21:04] <aerou> Tegra2 #printenv
[21:04] <aerou> baudrate=115200
[21:04] <aerou> bootcmd=run flashboot; run nfsboot
[21:04] <aerou> bootdelay=5
[21:04] <aerou> defargs=video=tegrafb vmalloc=248M
[21:04] <aerou> fdtaddr=17ef78
[21:04] <aerou> flashargs=ip=off root=/dev/mtdblock0 rw rootfstype=yaffs2
[21:04] <aerou> flashboot=setenv bootargs ${defargs} ${flashargs} ${mtdparts} ${setupargs}; echo Booting from NAND...; nboot $loadaddr 0 0x1200000 && bootm
[21:04] <aerou> ipaddr=<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:04] <aerou> loadaddr=0x408000
[21:04] <aerou> memargs=mem=372M@0M fbmem=12M@372M nvmem=128M@384M
[21:04] <aerou> mmcboot=echo Loading RAM disk and kernel from MMC/SD card...; mmc init && fatload mmc 0:1 0xC08000 rootfs-ext2.img.gz && fatload mmc 0:1 ${loadaddr} uImage;run ramboot
[21:04] <aerou> Is there any info that I can use?
[21:12] <lilstevie> fatload mmc 0:1 ${loadaddr}
[21:12] <lilstevie> load the uImage to 0x408000
[21:14] <lilstevie> with loading the uRamdisk you need to be mindful of where other things are in memoryspace
[21:16] <lilstevie> I tend to try for ${loadaddr}+uImage+a little extra in case the uImage ends up needing a little more room
[21:23] <aerou> will try
[21:25] <aerou> So I loaded the uImage at 0x408000
[21:27] <aerou> My knowledge here is limited
[21:27] <aerou> I am loading the image into ram
[21:27] <aerou> now what with the initrd?
[21:28] <aerou> I see:
[21:28] <aerou> ramargs=initrd=0xA1800000,32M ramdisk_size=32768 root=/dev/ram0 rw
[21:28] <aerou> so should I do:
[21:29] <aerou> fatload mmc 0:2 0xA1800000 uInitrd ?
[21:35] <aerou> so I loaded uImage into 0x408000
[21:35] <aerou> initrd into 0x2408000
[21:35] <aerou> changed
[21:36] <aerou> ramargs=initrd=0xA1800000,32M ramdisk_size=32768 root=/dev/ram0 rw
[21:36] <aerou> into
[21:36] <aerou> ramargs=initrd=0x2408000,32M ramdisk_size=32768 root=/dev/ram0 rw
[21:36] <aerou> typed
[21:36] <aerou> run ramboot
[21:36] <aerou> and this happened
[21:36] <aerou> Tegra2 # run ramboot
[21:36] <aerou> Booting from RAM...
[21:36] <aerou> ## Booting kernel from Legacy Image at 00408000 ...
[21:36] <aerou>    Image Name:   Ubuntu Kernel
[21:36] <aerou>    Created:      2012-03-01   8:00:45 UTC
[21:36] <aerou>    Image Type:   ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed)
[21:36] <aerou>    Data Size:    4252072 Bytes = 4.1 MiB
[21:36] <aerou>    Load Address: 70008000
[21:36] <aerou>    Entry Point:  70008000
[21:36] <aerou>    Verifying Checksum ... OK
[21:36] <aerou>    Loading Kernel Image ...
[21:37] <aerou> and thats all
[21:44] <juula> Test


[10:30] <bittin> Hello! will join and watch the Ubucon Asia Interview in an hour, still have a cold and being home, was supposed to go to the dentist but moved that to July instead
[10:31] <bittin> always nice to see how other people setup local groups and events as someone who helps out with Debian Sweden, FOSDEM Online, GUADEC Online, Debconf Online, Ubucon America etc this year
[11:22] <rhys-the-davies> If you haven't got your popcorn yet you're going to want to head to the shop now folks
[11:45] <bittin> i got some pasta if thats enough
[11:46] <rhys-the-davies> That's better in fact :D
[13:09] <bittin> was interesting today :) always fun to watch Ubuntu people from the different communities over the world


[00:52] <gebbione> any reasons why a specific folder just wont listen files through "Files" or nano ?
[00:52] <gebbione> i see no problems in bash or accessing with other apps
[00:52] <daftykins> listen files?
[00:53] <gebbione> sed /listen/list/
[00:58] <daftykins> hmm i'm not even sure how you have a text editor listing directory contents i'm afraid :D
[00:58] <daftykins> might be better off with the non-UK specific channel, #ubuntu , at this time of night
[00:58] <daftykins> bed for me o/
[00:59] <gebbione> and yes that was Nemo
[00:59] <gebbione> not nano
[00:59] <gebbione> night
[04:02] <mapp> hi all
[04:02] <mapp> or hi daftykins  shauno  and zmoylan-pi
[04:02] <mapp> :P
[04:28] <mapp> noone around for once
[04:28] <mapp> O_o
[08:34] <popey> morning!
[08:49] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:53] <popey> yo
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:07] <MooDoo> morning
[09:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> another monday, having to decide if it's worth chewing through the restraining straps :-)
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo and davmor2
[09:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka 'Ows life up norff
[09:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: gota get that bovril, panic buying gallons of the stuff for the winter VORTEX that's coming.
[09:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahaha
[09:15] <MooDoo> Winter is coming
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> that and a barrel of lard for cooking... :-P
[09:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Australia Day! :-D
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> happy... monday...
[09:33]  * zmoylan-pi suspects JamesTait is one of those happy perky people that zmoylan-pi hunts for sport with nerf :-)
[09:34] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, I suspect you'd get a different impression after speaking to my family. ;)
[09:34] <JamesTait> Apparently I'm grumpy.
[09:35] <MooDoo> well i want to slap you with a wet fish :)
[09:35]  * zmoylan-pi hands MooDoo a shark
[09:35] <JamesTait> Shhhh!  That's our little secret!
[10:49] <davmor2> Gooda JamesTait^Wsport
[10:50] <JamesTait> Wotcha!
[10:51] <davmor2> Puttin another shrimp on the bar-b
[10:52] <zmoylan-pi> bright and cheerful on a monday.  a crime when i'm world dictator... :-)
[10:52] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you said that with too much glee now you have to have yourself incarcerated
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> not glee, grim determination
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> easy to get those mixed up
[12:43] <shauno> the evil part of me that really doesn't like mondays, is currently chuckling @ http://superuser.com/questions/869114/cp-file-in-dev-sdc-now-drive-isnt-readable
[13:01] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:18] <MooDoo> howdy bigcalm
[13:18] <bigcalm> o/
[14:24] <davmor2> JamesTait: I don't think your grumpy, more dopey if you have to be a dwarf ;)
[14:30] <JamesTait> davmor2, sleepy lately.
[14:31] <MooDoo> I'll be a dwarf :D
[18:19]  * foobarry is back
[18:19] <foobarry> what did i miss?
[18:29] <popey> foobarry: http://imgur.com/9MVKdPG :)
[18:30] <popey> also http://imgur.com/uFIoyDv
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> wooo.. my new router is installed
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> now all I have to do is wait for the ISP to up my speed :)
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> (and get a bunch of new cables because the old ones are too short...
[20:52] <daftykins> :D
[20:53] <daftykins> what are you going from and to again? speed wise
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> 100/100 -> 500/500 :D
[20:54] <MartijnVdS>  7% [==>                                             ] 76,334,850  10.2MB/s  eta 95s
[21:24] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, I want your connection
[21:58] <mapp> hi all
[21:58] <bashrc> hi
[21:59] <brobostigon> evening mapp
[22:04] <diddledan> m00
[22:05] <brobostigon> meep


[06:05] <cpaelzer> themachine: I'm not sure if I got all of the backscroll on the topic, but you could force a defined serial to those disks in your qemu/libvirt setup. And then in the guest use them as /dev/disk/by-id/... independent to the (Filesystem-)UUID that it gets after formatting
[06:08] <themachine> cpaelzer: Thank you. I will look into that.
[06:14] <eggbean> Does anybody know what is wrong with this? It makes the server unreachable.
[06:14] <eggbean> bootcmd:
[06:14] <eggbean>        - [ printf, 'prepend domain-search "${domain}";', >>, /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ]
[06:14] <eggbean>        - [ systemctl, restart, systemd-resolved.service ]Y
[06:15] <eggbean> ^ should be two spaces
[06:16] <eggbean> bootcmd:
[06:16] <eggbean>   - [ cloud-init-per, once, edit-file, printf, 'prepend domain-search "${domain}";', >>, /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf ]
[06:16] <eggbean>   - [ cloud-init-per, once, restart-service, systemctl, restart, systemd-resolved.service ]
[06:16] <eggbean> Y
[06:16] <eggbean> Do I need to escape the single quotes or something like that?
[06:28] <eggbean> Okay, I needed to enclose the >> in quotes
[06:29] <cpaelzer> glad you found that eggbean, but wouldn't that be more naturally go through v2 network https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config-format-v2.html being netplan that allows dhcp overrides https://netplan.io/reference/#dhcp-overrides ?
[06:31] <eggbean> cpaelzer: This is Debian. When I read the AWS docs on doing this it mentioned netplan on Ubuntu, but there it doesn't appear to be present on Debian
[06:33] <eggbean> Yeah, netplan seems to be a ubuntu thing
[06:33] <eggbean> I suppose cloud-init is canonical as well
[06:34] <eggbean> Thanks for the tip though
[06:37] <cpaelzer> Network config v1 allows to set those without netplan, let me fetch some links for you to consider
[06:37] <eggbean> cheers
[06:37] <cpaelzer> like: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/network-config-format-v1.html?highlight=nameserver#nameserver maybe?
[06:38] <cpaelzer> I did not see/try to combine dhcp+search domain via that, so no guarantees
[06:38] <cpaelzer> but worth a try, OTOH if you are just happy with your cconfig that now works I have no reason to stop you from using it :-)
[06:38] <eggbean> That seems to be for changing the dns servers
[06:39] <eggbean> I am just adding a dns search domain here. But I can see that line in that code, so it is probably elsewhere on that page
[06:39] <cpaelzer> you are right, I was just quickly looking for the keywords in the docs ...
[06:40] <eggbean> Would I be able to just add that line, leaving the rest out (apart from parents)?
[06:41] <cpaelzer> I have not seen such a combination in the examples, but often found that cloud-init config variations are easy to try
[06:41] <cpaelzer> most of the cloud-init people that know what they talk about (=not me) will be up in ~8-9h - they might be able to help further :-)
[06:41] <eggbean> ok thanks. I find that the logs don't give much to go on with failures
[07:19] <themachine> cpaelzer: Thanks again. That was the final piece of my puzzle and one that I'm sure I'll reuse in the future.
[07:34] <cpaelzer> happy to hear that themachine
[22:32] <jchittum> looks like `httpretty==0.9.5` breaks on python==3.9.7` due to changes in `Threading`. I bumped to `1.1.4` for local testing and `xenial-dev` ran fine. This will cause some issues for folks running impish+ and developing `cloud-init`
[22:34] <jchittum> this is due to `threading.Thread().isAlive()` no longer existing: AttributeError: 'Thread' object has no attribute 'isAlive'
[22:34] <jchittum> also whopps. that's an amazing badly matched tick marks. good job me
[22:39] <jchittum> should i be using something like `pyenv` to do a python 3.5 environment to run the xenial tests?
[22:44] <falcojr> jchittum: we only specify `httpretty>=0.7.1` in the requirements file so we can use different versions depending on whats in the repos
[22:45] <falcojr> on travis it's grabbing 0.8.6 for 3.5 and 1.1.4 for 3.9
[23:25] <blackboxsw> jchittum: so `tox -e xenial-dev` will not work on hirsute ++ I think.
[23:25] <blackboxsw> falcojr: It's probably not something we even want anymore in tox default targets. Cloud-init is no longer publishing releases to Xenial for cloud-init. Our CI also only runs `tox -e xenial` in Travis from a compatibility check standpoint  (note: not the xenial-dev target).
[23:28] <blackboxsw> ultimately tox default test environements should probably only be py3,  flake8, pylint (and eventually "black" and "isort" too per your PR )
[23:34] <blackboxsw> that said: if we want to keep xenial-dev as a tox env in our local test rotation, I think we can bump it specifically to 1.1.4 in tox.ini at the moment. It'll at least then pass on hirsute++ which is probably where most of our dev envs are running anyway.
[23:55] <jchittum> ok. so with my pr for LP: 1954842 I'll leave the env untouched, and know that CI will pick a more correct matching version.
[23:56] <jchittum> blackboxsw: I'm just community on this, but i'd agree with just dropping it. and giant +1s to black and isort (do you want me to go ahead and run those manually now? I'll happily do so :) )