[02:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:21] <EoflaOEViceCity> Good morning lordievader
[06:22] <lordievader> Morning EoflaOEViceCity. How are you doing?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOEViceCity
[06:23] <EoflaOEViceCity> I am doing fine. How about you | hello lotuspsychje
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> all good on this side tnx
[06:23] <EoflaOEViceCity> You are welcome.
[06:25] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[06:26] <EoflaOEViceCity> Sorry for leaving, but Android oom-killer is killing IRC client.
[06:26] <lordievader> Use a bouncer ;)
[06:27] <lordievader> Or better, use matrix </advertisement>
[06:28] <EoflaOEViceCity> What do you mean? My Android is 1GB RAM and is autokilling everything when opening the second app. I will have to find a solution.
[06:29] <lordievader> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_(software)
[06:30] <lordievader> It is typically not recommended to run an irc client from a phone due to the frequent disconnects.
[06:30] <lordievader> So the work around is to take a host with a stable connection, run the irc client on there and connect your mobile to that host.
[06:31] <lordievader> Oh and for more information about matrix: https://matrix.org
[06:34] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK. Will do that soon.
[07:07] <marcoagpinto> Heya!
[07:46] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaaaa...... I have run out of cola!!!! And last night the supermarket only had normal cola next to the checkouts so I couldn't buy cola zero :(
[07:46] <marcoagpinto> I have only drunk 1 litre
[08:00] <lordievader> Brrr 1 litre of cola. That would be enough for me to last a year.
[08:01]  * lordievader rarely drinks cola
[08:01] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:58] <marcoagpinto> bluesceada!!!! Hello!
[10:58] <marcoagpinto> I have been working on the British speller since 7am
[10:58] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:58] <marcoagpinto> 5 hours ago
[10:59] <marcoagpinto> it is a hard work but someone has to do it
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> immu: https://ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics
[16:27] <immu> hi lotuspsychje
[16:27] <immu> remember me lotuspsychje
[16:27] <luna> yo BluesKaj
[16:28] <immu> hi ducasse
[16:28] <BluesKaj> hey luna/ducasse
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> hey Mathisen
[16:30] <sonicwind> interesting link, lotuspsychje ... I haven't seen that before
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: might not be real accurate but..
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> its an idea right
[16:30] <sonicwind> better than anything else maybe
[16:30] <immu> lotuspsychje, we had a kubuntu user here named blueskaj , he is still around?
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> immu: scroll up
[16:31] <sonicwind> BluesKaj, is in the room here
[16:31] <BluesKaj> immu, that's me
[16:31] <immu> BluesKaj, hi
[16:31] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[16:32] <immu> long time huh BluesKaj
[16:34] <immu> so as asked how many of users here prefer a LTS release?
[16:34] <sonicwind> lotuspsychje, 11% still using 800x600
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> count me 1 immu
[16:34] <Mathisen> LTS for work, not for home :)
[16:34] <BluesKaj> immu, I'm a Kubuntu tester so i'm usually running a dev OS
[16:34] <sonicwind> I use LTS
[16:36] <immu> i am still undecided between a lts or point release cycle of ubuntu
[16:37] <sonicwind> do you value stability?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> LTS has point releases
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> i think he means non-lts
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> immu: wich version are you on now, and wich versions are you doubting about?
[16:38] <tomreyn> unless you can list reasons which require you to use non LTS releases, use LTS
[16:38] <sonicwind> hi tomreyn
[16:38] <tomreyn> hi sonicwind
[16:39] <immu> do lts releases get software updates like latest version of google chrome or firefox?
[16:39] <immu> gnome also
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> immu: do you need latest versions, and why?
[16:40] <immu> newer features
[16:40] <leftyfb> immu: google chrome and firefox are different than most packages and do get updates through LTS releases
[16:41] <tomreyn> LTS releases get rolling releases for firefox and chromium.
[16:41] <sonicwind> lotuspsychje, I don't know how accurate these stats are in that link, but I am finding them fascinating
[16:41] <tomreyn> leftyfb: google chrome, too? via partner?
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: (i think )they started those stats, togheter with the ubuntu welcome screen
[16:42] <sonicwind> I thought a lot more people were using lvm and encrypted lvm
[16:42] <tomreyn> i assume those stats were accurate at the time they were generated, which was sometime last year
[16:43] <immu> do software vendors targeting Ubuntu, target LTS release? say steam?
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: This report is generated from basic, non-identifiable system data that was provided by users when installing Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> sonicwind: so users can also choose, to not send stats
[16:43] <sonicwind> right
[16:43] <immu> also i believe less headache on LTS release?
[16:43] <leftyfb> tomreyn: via their own repo which gets installed when you install the package from their site
[16:44] <tomreyn> immu: most target LTS, sometimes also the latest stable non-LTS release.
[16:44] <tomreyn> leftyfb: oh right.
[16:45] <tomreyn> i had forgotten the run a repo
[16:54] <tomreyn> installer defaults matter a lot, really. many people just keep what's default, don't enable encryption. i think 'ubuntu desktop' should default to FDE (incl. /boot) on at least laptops. but this would depend on canonical hiring more staff to actually make this happen, test it a lot, and do it in a way that lets users recover their system or at least their data if things fail. ubuntu used to be leading in such general improvements, but
[16:54] <tomreyn> that's a while ago sadly.
[16:55] <immu> has the new nvidia drivers landed?
[16:56] <immu> in LTS ?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> immu: is this what you readed? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/ubuntu-19-10-nvidia-drivers-iso
[16:58] <immu> no, this one https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/07/install-nvidia-driver-update-ubuntu-its @lotuspsychje
[17:00] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NVidiaUpdates
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> immu: do you have an nvidia card?
[17:00] <immu> yes i do
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> immu: and wich version of ubuntu are you running?
[17:01] <immu> 19.04 as of now
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> immu: i thought you said you were still doubting wich ubuntu version you would install?
[17:01] <immu> yeah
[17:01] <immu> i am thinking of install LTS on other system
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> immu: check: ubuntu-drivers list
[17:02] <immu> sure brb
[17:03] <immu> let me install LTS
[17:03] <immu> brb
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:03] <EoflaOEViceCity> hi lotuspsychje
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> hey EoflaOEViceCity
[17:03] <EoflaOEViceCity> How was your day?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> warm
[17:04] <EoflaOEViceCity> Me too, it was on night in my time, but generally, warm all the time.
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: i see your blog also contains ubuntu articles
[17:12] <EoflaOEViceCity> lotuspsychje: Nice. Do you have a blog about Ubuntu or Linux?
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: no, im running a webshop busniess with ubuntu LTS and samsung ssd's, from home
[17:14] <EoflaOEViceCity> Nice. Can I see it?
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: i do have a blogger, linked for my customers news
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: https://lotuscomputers.be
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> only in duch for now
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> *dutch
[17:16] <EoflaOEViceCity> Nice design. Can I translate the whole website to English?.
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> its fine, its on my list mate
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: we do have an Ubuntu news lettre if you like, they always looking for articles writers, are you interested?
[17:18] <EoflaOEViceCity> Was it with English? If so, then yes.
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: yes, see #ubuntu-news
[17:19] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK
[17:19] <EoflaOEViceCity> Joined.
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: here's an example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue587
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> EoflaOEViceCity: if you still like it, leave a proposal in #ubuntu-news you would like to contribute
[17:22] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK.
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: how to see if debian has the same version?
[18:41] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: maybe show output of "dconf" as well.
[18:41] <tomreyn> ..oin the bug report
[18:41] <tomreyn> debian has https://packages.debian.org which works mostly the same way as ubuntu's, since ubuntu borrowed this from debian
[18:42] <tomreyn> i.e. https://packages.debian.org/gnome-boxes
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: the output is described in the description, but only 2 lines, all the rest are the same lines spamming
[18:43] <tomreyn> on your bug report, you showed the output of dconf-editor, not that of dconf, right?
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> oh
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> wich command on dconf?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: bionics version is also: 3.28.1-1 dont see that one in debian?
[18:46] <tomreyn> okay, don't file it against debian then
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> k tnx
[18:46] <tomreyn> dconf has get and dump commands, i think
[18:47] <tomreyn> note how i suggested you cross test with dconf in #ubuntu ;)
[18:47] <tomreyn> (i did not say "cross test" though)
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> gotya
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: spitted out this: https://hastebin.com/dopamawoze.coffeescript
[18:51] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: you're looking for key "collections"
[18:51] <tomreyn> dconf doesn't seem to show it there, maybe its in a lower hierachy?
[18:52] <tomreyn> maybe run   dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/
[18:52] <tomreyn> this should list available targets there
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> empty values
[18:54] <tomreyn> hmm. i'm not really sure how this stuff works, i must admit
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> nothing on dconf list /org/gnome/boxes/collections/ neither
[18:55] <tomreyn> i guess it's more likely to be a bug in dconf-editor though if dconf itself doesn't throw any warnings when you're accessing the same schema
[18:56] <tomreyn> ah maybe gsettings would be the right CLI utility to cross test with, not dconf
[18:57] <tomreyn> try gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.boxes
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> that seems to work
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: https://hastebin.com/piqerakozo.rb
[18:57] <tomreyn> did it list the collections key including its values?
[18:58] <tomreyn> same warning, ok
[18:58] <tomreyn> so, yes, should be a gnome-boxes issue
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> want me to add the output aswell?
[18:59] <tomreyn> up to you ;-)  it's really using gio libs to access this data both times
[18:59] <tomreyn> but developers may prefer CLI utils over GUI ones.
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> well it looks useful info on all values
[19:00] <tomreyn> maybe not gnome devs, though, not sure ;)
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> updated bug #1837445
[19:02] <tomreyn> nice. so now you just need to find a volunteer to handle this bug, or proove that it also exists in gnomes' gnome-boxes source code repository and maybe a volunteer or non-volunteer will handle it then. ;)
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah not much volunteers are using gnome boxes, think it was ruenoak saying he liked it
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> plus, this might be the dutch part complaining too
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> maybe the english version wont spit out
[19:05] <tomreyn> "Most contributors to Boxes hang out at #boxes on irc.gnome.org. Contributors, users and developers are more than welcome to direct any questions there. Discussions also take place at our Mailing list. "
[19:05] <tomreyn> from https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Boxes/Resources
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> aha
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> whats that translate trick again to fool a language
[19:06] <tomreyn> export LANGUAGE=C
[19:06] <tomreyn> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-boxes/blob/master/po/nl.po is the dutch .po file
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> bingo tomreyn
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> the export trick doesnt give errors
[19:07] <tomreyn> line 97
[19:09] <tomreyn> i compared with de.po (german) and the syntax / format there is identical.
[19:10] <tomreyn> so either multiple .po's are incorrect, or gio fails to parse this properly.
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> maybe every non-english language will spam errors?
[19:10] <tomreyn> you know how to test it
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> no
[19:11] <tomreyn> oh LANGUAGE=fr or something
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[19:11] <tomreyn> you'd need to have the locale installed, thoough
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> lets do that
[19:11] <tomreyn> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:12] <tomreyn> and select the ones you want to test
[19:13] <tomreyn> this will cause these selected locales to be generated for every software you have installed. can take a while
[19:13] <tomreyn> i don't really know how to do it just for one application using ubuntu / debian tooling.
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> added fr be
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> and its reconfiguring the whole list
[19:15] <tomreyn> so you should be able to get localized     apt update    output now
[19:15] <tomreyn> (just an example)
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> list still going :p
[19:16] <tomreyn> yes, this can be some minutes
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> *** update-locale: Warning: LANGUAGE ("nl_BE:nl") is not compatible with LANG (fr_BE). Disabling it.
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:22] <tomreyn> hmmm
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> tryed DE or FR but stays english
[19:22] <tomreyn> set LANG rather than LANGUAGE then
[19:23] <tomreyn> example:   export LANG=nl_BE.UTF-8
[19:24] <tomreyn> you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANG (or run export setting the default, if you know your default)
[19:24] <tomreyn> you may need to close and reopen the temrinal emulator window to reset it to the default LANGUAGE (or run    export LANGUAGE=...    thus setting the default, if you know your default)
[19:25] <tomreyn> ^ this
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> whats the DE value
[19:28] <tomreyn> DE is the ISO language code for german, but where did you spot this?
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> locales -a
[19:32] <tomreyn> "locale -a" would print it since it's an available locale in ubuntu, yes.
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> doing something wrong i think
[19:33] <tomreyn> actually,     locale -a     prints locales available on your system
[19:33] <tomreyn> so you may have selected this one
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@Rootbox:~$ export LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> bash: export: 'dconf-editor': is geen geldige naam
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> not a valid name
[19:34] <tomreyn> make this two commands
[19:34] <tomreyn> either      LANGUAGE=fr_FR dconf-editor
[19:35] <tomreyn> or     export LANGUAGE=fr_FR; dconf-editor
[19:35] <tomreyn> the former runs only this command with the given environment variable set
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> the later worked yeah
[19:35] <lotuspsychje> dconf id in french now
[19:35] <tomreyn> the latter sets this environment variable within the active shell session
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> but no errors on french
[19:36] <tomreyn> i.e. then it persists for commands run from this terminal / shell until you close the terminal emulator
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> ok, german dont error neither
[19:38] <tomreyn> hmm maybe it's just this one translation then that's buggy
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> seems like it
[19:39] <tomreyn> you can check the previous commits for nl.po in the git repo
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> ill add the locales tests to the bug, tnx tomreyn
[19:39] <tomreyn> yw
[19:56] <luna> Debian-Women, Debian-Transwomen and Debian LGBTQ meeting now
[20:46] <Bashing-om> UWN588 is on the strets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue588
[20:48] <EoflaOEViceCity> I just saw that Bashing-om.
[20:48] <EoflaOEViceCity> And it's nice
[20:51] <Bashing-om> EoflaOEViceCity: Thanks - a bit skimpy this week - not mcuh going on in our world - we could report more if there were an expressed interest in what is in the pipeline for ubuntu .
[20:52] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK Bashing-om. I have to sleep now. Goodbye.
[20:53] <Bashing-om> EoflaOEViceCity: Laters - take care til we meet again :P
[20:53] <EoflaOEViceCity> OK


[03:20] <vexo> ll
[14:25] <Andy80> hi guys
[14:26] <Andy80> do you know if it's possible to trigger a jenkins build with a "bzr push" ? I've read that is possible with git and found some tutorials, but I don't understand if it's supported also with bzr
[14:51] <Andy80> I've found this http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/BzrHooks
[14:51] <Andy80> but I don't understand if it's already available or if it's a feature request
[15:20] <jelmer> Andy80: bzr hooks are available
[15:22] <Andy80> jelmer, yes, but I was just reading the docs here http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/development/en/user-reference/hooks-help.html in the "post_push" section it says "post_push is called with a bzrlib.branch.BranchPushResult object and only runs in the bzr client". There is no way to implement the hook on server instead of each client?
[15:23] <jelmer> Andy80: no, because the server might be a dumb server (e.g. sftp)
[15:24] <Andy80> jelmer, well... that's not a good reason imho. I mean... I could understand if this feature was missin on a "dumb server", but on a normal one it whould exist...
[15:25] <jelmer> Andy80: there is something that gets run on the server side in a smart server, though I'm not sure of the details there.
[17:15] <LarstiQ> Andy80: post_change_branch_tip is perhaps more suited to your purpose
[17:40] <Andy80> LarstiQ, let me give a look..
[18:41] <spundun> hi all, is there a bzr equivalent of git notes? http://git-scm.com/2010/08/25/notes.html
[20:39] <cyberkilla> <3


[02:00] <bluesabre> Unit193: if we want to tag along with ayatana this cycle, not opposed
[02:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: It doesn't really matter, so in that case I'd just like fewer deps.  Personally, I'd like to sync from Debian and drop the systemd init stuff.
[02:01] <bluesabre> Yeah, that sounds like a good thing to me
[02:02] <Unit193> Tried to convince andr zejr or nine tls to fix ind-plug upstream, but thus far no luck. :P
[02:02] <bluesabre> Happy to help move that along too
[02:03] <bluesabre> (but not tonight)
[10:49] <bluesabre> Good morning
[10:50] <bluesabre> Unit193: I see a conversation on the -desktop mailing list that you'll probably not be a fan of
[10:51] <bluesabre> "Keep, modify or drop Ubuntu's headerbar patches"
[10:57] <bluesabre> And now the conversation has moved to the community hub, https://community.ubuntu.com/t/removal-of-headerbar-patches-and-impact-on-unity/1456
[10:59] <bluesabre> As far as we go, I think the patches should be dropped. CSDs work in Xfce. If we want the non-CSD versions of apps, we can pick up the MATE versions instead of the GNOME ones
[11:00] <knome> for consistency, i think we should go all CSD or all non-CSD
[11:00] <knome> or at least as much as possible
[14:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: I am not so much, yes.  I'm also in CC.
[14:24] <knome> (:
[15:33] <ochosi> i'm rather on bluesabre's side of the argument, i don't like the patches very much. some of them look and feel ok, many don't. i'd prefer to leave it to application developers how their apps shall look and ubuntu carrying lots of gtk+ patches is the source of much evil (or used to be in the past)
[15:42] <Unit193> I was careful to never indicate my stance was that of Xubuntu.
[15:46] <ochosi> yeah, that's fine
[15:46] <ochosi> i would do the same, we're still having a discussion here i guess
[15:47] <Unit193> I don't think it's ideal by any means, but the alternative is worse.
[15:47] <ochosi> jbicha reached out to me and i told him i would discuss with you, i would also never sell my personal stance as that of our community. i know it's a (slightly over-)heated topic for many
[15:48] <Unit193> "Discuss with you" sounds ominous.
[15:50] <ochosi> hah, it's not ominous at all
[15:50] <ochosi> he just asked me for my opinion and for that of the community
[15:50] <ochosi> i told him my personal opinion plus said i would try to start a discussion in the community
[15:50] <ochosi> but you already started without me :p
[15:50] <Unit193> Wasn't meeee.
[15:51] <ochosi> welcome jbicha, we already started without you ;)
[15:51] <jbicha> hi
[15:51] <ochosi> (you can read the backlog somewhere on the ubuntu irc servers, you didn't miss much)
[15:54] <jbicha> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/11/06/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[15:55] <jbicha> so like engrampa instead of file-roller
[15:55] <ochosi> yeah, that's one possible route
[15:56] <jbicha> one nice part about doing that is that some people do like CSD apps so by dropping the patches, it allows users to choose file-roller if they like csd
[15:57] <jbicha> uh, file-roller was already using csd on Xubuntu 17.10
[15:58] <jbicha> responding to Unit193's comment on LP: #1719322
[15:59] <Unit193> jbicha: Yes, file-roller does.  evince appears not to.  That's a generic bug report against multiple packages.
[16:00] <Unit193> Now I remember, atril has nasty depends.
[16:01] <jbicha> there are some other apps that y'all were already shipping that have csd that don't have mate alternatives (yet?): Mines, Sudoku, Fonts
[16:02] <ochosi> i remembered there is *one* xfce app with headerbars, that's catfish
[16:02] <ochosi> (which we also ship by default)
[16:03] <jbicha> ah, I thought there was one!
[16:03] <jbicha> how much hate mail have y'all gotten for that?
[16:04] <jbicha> what are those nasty depends?
[16:05] <jbicha> sunweaver (from Debian MATE) appears to be really receptive to packaging changes that make things easier for others
[16:06] <jbicha> like I see engrampa Recommends mate-icon-theme
[16:06] <Unit193> I believe I talked to him once on it, as unfortunate as they were, needed for MATE.  I think if one went entirely mate, it wouldn't be quite so bad.  Yeah, not too fond of that. :3
[16:06] <Unit193> (And yeah, sunweaver si great.)
[16:07] <jbicha> besides mate-icon-theme, what dependencies are uncomfortable?
[16:11] <Unit193> Looking back, seems libjs-mathjax and if we ship both gnome and mate, having both *-desktop-common, you pointed out the icon theme, and at-spi2-core as a hard dep is interesting.
[16:12] <Unit193> (FWIW, just installed mate-calc, nice.  Except the history thing in gnome-calc is pretty snazzy.  The headerbar is transparent for me in the latter though. :D)
[16:13] <jbicha> why is libjs-mathjax a problem?
[16:18] <Unit193> I was trying not to propose changes (or maybe someone else was? atril was mentioned on the ml) that'd take up 50+M needlesssly as at the time we were trying to keep the ISOs at a more sane size.  (I think everyone gave up that fight.)
[16:19] <Unit193> (It's been a while, tbh.)
[16:24] <Unit193> 1.18.2-2ubuntu0, heh, interesting version number.
[16:30] <Unit193> jbicha: Thanks for telling me about engrampa, didn't know the name and hadn't looked.
[16:32] <jbicha> we need a chart to compare original app names and their forks
[16:32] <jbicha> it's taken me a while to get caja and nemo straight (nemo is the Cinnamon fork of an early Nautilus 3)
[16:32] <Unit193> Heh, yeah.  Also need to finish the transition away from gnome-icon-theme.
[16:32] <Unit193> jbicha: I hear that!
[16:33] <Unit193> I think one of the GNOME tools changed name, to further confuse things.


[02:49] <nhaines> Hmm... it's *probably* time to apply updates and reboot, since Livepatch doesn't seem to be applying updates.  :)
[02:59] <nhaines> 3That's better!  Nice and shiny.
[03:20] <pleia2> tsk, bad livepatch
[03:21] <nhaines> Yup!  But it appears to be happy now.  :)
[03:22] <pleia2> saw Mark today \o/
[03:22] <nhaines> How's he doing?
[03:22] <pleia2> sabdfl Mark, we spoke for like 30 seconds ;)
[03:23] <pleia2> seems good, looks healthy
[03:23] <nhaines> Haha, yeah, he's a busy guy.  Glad it's business as usual with him.  :)
[03:23] <pleia2> his keynote here though :\
[03:23] <pleia2> https://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntus-mark-shuttleworth-pulls-no-punches-on-red-hat-and-vmware-in-openstack-cloud/
[03:23] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu's Mark Shuttleworth pulls no punches on Red Hat and VMware in OpenStack cloud | ZDNet]
[03:23] <pleia2> in a sea of companies pushing collaboration, Mark..
[03:24] <nhaines> Yeah, I read that one.  I found it quite amusing.  :)
[03:24] <pleia2> but to his credit, it did create press
[03:24] <pleia2> I was mostly like :O
[03:25] <nhaines> As I said on reddit, "The trick is that if youre going to do this, you gotta be *right*."
[03:25]  * pleia2 nods
[03:26] <pleia2> I am in the Vancouver airport, flight is delayed :'(
[03:27] <nhaines> Aww.  :(


[07:09] <k_sze[work]> Hello.
[07:12] <k_sze[work]> When I use ssh in LXTerminal, I get a graphical dialog box asking me to unlock the private key with the passphrase. But if I use `git` and the key is passphrase-locked, I get the passphrase prompt in LXTerminal instead. So how do I open the graphical keyring thing in Lubuntu?
[07:27] <k_sze[work]> Does Lubuntu use gnome-keyring?
[07:34] <binaryhermit> ...I think so.  It seems to come installed by default, and I don't think they'd install something like that by default unless it was getting used
[07:38] <binaryhermit> but I'm not sure.
[08:38] <jhpy1024> Hey
[08:38] <jhpy1024> I have the following keyboard: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-gb/p/wireless-desktop-2000
[08:39] <jhpy1024> Does anyone know how I can map the programmable keys?
[10:09] <hpuser4466> Is Lubuntu 12.04 and newer compatible with Panasonic Toughbook CF-73 AND with drivers for the touchscreen ?
[10:14] <hpuser4466> Never mind..I found the SMK touchscreen driver source. that's good enough.
[21:22] <_DomY-Dom> Hello, burned a lubuntu iso to a DVD-R and started the install on an HP pavilion zv5200 (really old laptop) and for now I'm getting a black screen with a white line down the middle, no clue if it's installing. Once in a while when the screen goes black and I move the trackpad again, I get loads of multicolored lines on the screen and then after a bit, this white rectangle all the way down the middle. Is it installing x) ?
[21:30] <A5c11Char5et> That sounds funky
[21:30] <A5c11Char5et> Is the HDD light doing anything ?
[21:30] <A5c11Char5et> Is the DVD being accessed at all ?
[21:33] <A5c11Char5et> If not check the minimum specs against the system specs, you'll be able to see the specs of the system in the BIOS. If they are wait until they are not, and if nothing happens move to step 1 :)
[21:33] <A5c11Char5et> I'm not a Lubuntu expert, but thats what I would do.
[21:36] <_DomY-Dom> the DVD was definitely accessed since it gave me the option, "try out lubuntu", "install lubuntu", etc. The specs seem fine according to me, I mean the laptop runs Windows XP after all.
[21:50] <A5c11Char5et> _DomY-Dom, if it runs Windows XP I very much doubt Lubuntu will be an issue
[21:50] <A5c11Char5et> Was the DVD being accessed when nothing was being displayed
[21:53] <_DomY-Dom> A5c11Char5et: What do you mean? I put in the DVD, selected "CD-ROM blah" in BIOS and it took me to a language menu, I selected English and then "Install Lubuntu"
[21:53] <_DomY-Dom> A5c11Char5et: It is an HP Pavilion zv5200 and Windows XP is currently installed.
[21:55] <A5c11Char5et> But when the funky stuff (white rectangle) happens if there any IO (drive) activity ?
[21:55] <A5c11Char5et> Is it sitting there doing nothing with weird graphics on the screen, or is it accessing a drive ?
[23:57] <luke1_> I accidently deleted network manager. Is there any way i can put it on a flash drive from another computer and put it on there?
[23:59] <ochosi> luke1_: how did you exactly delete it?
[23:59] <ochosi> if you uninstalled the package, then yes, you can download the package again from e.g. packages.ubuntu.com and load the deb-file on a flashdrive to install it again


[08:26] <eljak> alienpulse, Armageddon , compengi, ghantoos, rapacity, youssefchaker guys i put osclb.org online with the new concept hope that this time it fits better what we are all looking, it is now a mediawiki site where everyone is invited to contribute with the content waiting for your suggestions
[08:28] <youssefchaker> eljak: okay, will there be any content? :P
[08:29] <Armageddon> the actual question is, why do all the links point somewhere else ? :p
[08:32] <eljak> youssefchaker, yes the one we all put i am inviting you to contribute with content and ideas from the start so i doesn't end up with me inviting you to something i created according to my plans, so thought it should be a collective thing
[08:32] <eljak> Armageddon, it is a fresh install
[08:35] <Armageddon> ok :p
[08:35] <Armageddon> eljak, I'm in
[08:35] <Armageddon> but to what exactly ?
[08:36] <eljak> don't worry i will be doing my part i will fill content too, Armageddon what do you mean?
[08:37] <Armageddon> I mean I have no idea what to write about
[08:40] <eljak> if you have an opensource business add a page to promote your business, if you are a consultant same, if you are part of a linux group or some other group related top open source or knowledge sharing or cultural also, we don't  want to have duplicate information from the web, if you want to add some ideas about the Community in the About how you see it should work, if you have a project you are working on
[08:41] <Armageddon> ok
[08:41] <eljak> bass enno preferably if activities related to lebanon
[08:46] <youssefchaker> can we put up a best practices guide?
[08:46] <youssefchaker> including suggested tools, apps, software to use
[08:46] <youssefchaker> etc
[08:50] <eljak> youssefchaker, yes i thought of putting a directory of most common used software for newbies so go ahead
[08:51] <eljak> but please things that are better fit for a blog, put them in your blog and  create a page to promote your blog instead
[08:52] <youssefchaker> who said i have a blog :P
[08:55] <eljak> yes you don't or your ranking on google is very low :P


[03:29] <ahoneybun> Happy Birthday ovidiu-florin !
[07:12] <yofel> ovidiu-florin / ovidiuflorin: Happy Birthday!
[07:15] <valorie> yofel: sorry to hear that you've not been feeling well
[07:15] <valorie> feel better soon
[07:15] <yofel> thanks :)
 http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-xenial-xerus-to-offer-users-newer-software-versions-via-snaps-502879.shtml
 It is pretty interesting tbh.
[08:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:15] <valorie> @marcinsagol that is very interesting
[08:16] <valorie> however, this is *important* and I have not seen it discussed here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2016-April/001179.html
[08:16] <valorie> probably one of the reasons clivejo's FFE has been ignored....
[08:37] <yofel> valorie: that is mostly relevant to "main", as we're mostly universe and thus have universe enabled by default there's not much impact on us
[08:37] <yofel> (other than other people being busy)
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:56] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[10:56] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:09] <soee> vip: ping
[11:09] <vip> pong, soee
[11:09] <soee> vip: do you have copy of this file you removed to have short login time
[11:10] <vip> soee: yup
[11:10] <soee> vip: could you do some test as David asked in comment to bug report ?
[11:11] <soee> so bring it back - confirm teh login time is long, then execute the commands he posted and probable relogin i think
[11:11] <soee> to check if the loading time has chnaged to short one
[11:12] <soee> i'll do it myself but later at home - now i am at work
[11:12] <vip> soee: i'll do it later
[11:13] <clivejo> soee: you still having long login times?
[11:15] <clivejo> has anyone looked into snaps?
[11:15] <soee> clivejo: no, the long time can be fixed as i mentioned here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360777
[11:15] <soee> clivejo: no i havent tried snaps yet
[12:14] <BluesKaj> 20 sewcs longer, heh...it takes over 2mins to get plymouth to finish, then I hv=ave to use the vt/tty to login since sddm doesn't load , then I have to run startx to load the desktop, a total time of close to 3mins from bootup.
[12:19] <soee> debug it :D
[12:19] <soee> than we can find some workaround
[12:21] <soee> meh
[12:22] <soee> does the: #cat -n30 some/file.txt works for you ?
[12:48] <yofel> it definitely shouldn't take 2 minutes... even my old desktop with classic bios, 2 additional firmwares, a grub promt and half a dozen disks that need to be initialized takes about a minute to get to sddm
[12:48] <yofel> does systemd-analyze say something interesting?
[13:12] <marco-parillo> I just saw the sudo factoid on #kubuntu. gksudo might be for older releases, but not kdesudo, right?
[13:12] <marco-parillo> !sudo
[13:12] <marco-parillo> or is pkexec part of systemd?
[13:12] <marco-parillo> !pkexec
 thank you all
 ubottu send everyone a beer
 !sudo
 ubottu ignores me....
 it's rasist against telegram people
 actually its zenafobic
[13:14] <mamarley> ovidiuflorin: The reason is because in IRC the message is prefixed with the sender's name, so the bot does not see the command at the beginning of the message.
[13:15] <mamarley> It is not xenophobic.
 xenophobic?
 and that
[13:53] <BluesKaj> is there an alternative to sddm ? it just won';t load and the logs don't show any fails
 Does sddm write anything to the SystemD Journal ?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Sick_Rimmit, do you mean the sddm log in /var/log, if so, no that log is empty, but I'll check for systemd journal
 Yes I was thinking journalctl -xe
 just an idea
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Sick_Rimmit, what's the path for that file ?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> locate and find don't see it
[14:04] <BluesKaj> turned baloo on
[14:12] <yofel> BluesKaj: lightdm should work as well
[14:12] <yofel> the Xorg log might also tell something
 sorry BluesKaj - its a SystemD command, just type it at the command line and you;ll get the SystemD logs
 hmmm
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2271469
 Of course I'm using Centos at work, and 14.04 on my desktop
 So I don't have journalctl
 Doh!
 But I wonder if it's there in 15.10, and it may help with your sddm log issue
 sorry if it turns out to be a Red Herring
[14:59] <yofel> nah, 15.10 uses a journal, just needs sudo to see the system journal
 OK thanks
[15:23] <Riddell> patch for ubiquity https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1569965
[16:02] <soee> https://plus.google.com/101588423559652288894/posts/iVYEvcMxgAr :)
[17:08] <mamarley> soee: That's rather tempting...
[17:09] <soee> indeed :D
[17:13] <mamarley> It is kind of disappointing that they are only doing LTS though, since I wouldn't want to be stuck using 2-year-old versions of everything else…
[17:13] <soee> well true :/ for example there is new kernel already  think
[17:13] <soee> but with snapy you can install new versions of various packages o think :)
[17:18] <mamarley> I had actually tried to add that repository to a Xenial VM back before they actually started making Xenial packages, but I couldn't get it to work because of some dependency problem related to the fact that the packages still had version number 5.5.4 (which was less than the official Kubuntu packages) but still contained 5.6.0.
[17:22] <soee> ill try to install it later maybe on top ox my Xenial ~.~
[17:23] <mamarley> It does feel kind of traitorous though…
[17:43] <soee> Android N Developer Preview 2, out today
[17:44] <soee> yay, and my S5 doesn't have 6.0 yet ..
[17:44] <soee> fuuu Samsung and T-mobile :/
[17:45] <mamarley> soee: Knowing you and how you have to always be running the latest stuff, I'm surprised you didn't get a Nexus device.
[17:45] <soee> it was  tempting but i think im not sure if it was in T-mobile offer back then
[17:45] <vip> or unlock it and put cm
[17:45] <clivejo> soee: mine does :P
[17:46] <soee> :<
[17:46] <clivejo> CM13
[17:46] <soee> vip: might be to many problems
[17:46] <soee> and it should land soon in updates https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates#tmoSUPDocTitle
[17:47] <clivejo> only thing I miss is the finger print scanner
[17:47] <soee> for S6 was released liek 3 days ago
[17:47] <clivejo> but I wont be buying any more Samsung products
[17:47] <soee> +1
[17:48] <clivejo> too much bloatware and not enough OSS support
[17:49] <clivejo> maybe get Kubuntu running in a docker container :)
[17:54] <clivejo> ahoneybun: have you tried plasma mobile on your Ubuntu phone?
[18:02] <clivejo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yjnNV6zcBk
[18:02] <clivejo> no idea what hes saying, but it looks cool
[18:34] <soee> :D
[18:34] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg-AztmOyz0
[18:36] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmlZv-UA2zg&nohtml5=False
[18:47] <ahoneybun> clivejo, no? I had the Nexus 4 which was not supported by Plasma Mobile
[18:47] <ahoneybun> I have a OnePlus One which is but it is my main driver
[18:47] <clivejo> awwww
[18:52] <clivejo> did I hear somewhere you can run it in a docker container on any CM kernel?
[20:06] <soee> Google Chrome 50 Released With Wayland Support
[20:20] <clivejo> how is wayland coming along?
[20:47]  * sick_rimmit sighs a relief a laptop comes back to life
[20:49] <valorie> sick_rimmit: what happened with your lappie?
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> The internal fan gave out, so I ordered one from Hong Kong
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> Tonight the fan finally gave in
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> So lappie in bits to put new fan in
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> I just heard the new fan spin up so I am happy boy
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> Good news
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> I have email from Carlo, he is going to prepare release tag for Muon, and libqapt
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> He reckons couple of days to sort it
[21:05] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeee!
[21:06] <valorie> that's great news, sick_rimmit
[21:06] <valorie> is Carlo taking over maintainership, or just releasing?
[21:08] <clivejo> he said he wanted to develop it further, maybe a new QML interface
[21:09] <valorie> that would be cool
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> Carlo, Ovidiu and I are going to maintain Muon
[21:11] <valorie> that's a nice team, there
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> Which means Ovidiu and me break stuff, and Carlo fixes it
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> lol
[21:11] <valorie> rofl
[21:11] <sick_rimmit> Once I figure out what the hell is going on with KDE's project management stuff
[21:11] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: so whats the ETA on snappy in Muon?
[21:12] <sick_rimmit> ha ha,
[21:12] <valorie> seems like discover would be a more natural fit for that stuff, but it's a good question
[21:13] <sick_rimmit> First, I have to figure out how Snappy works, I know what it is but that is about it
[21:14] <sick_rimmit> I like you alot valorie you make me feel good about the efforts that I make, thank you :-D
[21:15] <sick_rimmit> I reckon most everyone else feels the same way
[21:15] <valorie> I like you very much as well, sick_rimmit <3
[21:15] <valorie> you are the bubbles in the champagne that is Kubuntu
[21:15] <sick_rimmit> We'll need that Friday :-D
[21:16] <sick_rimmit> Woo Hoo - party time
[21:17] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: has helped me get my packaging up enough to a basic level where I can make something sensible I think
[21:17] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: did you upload it yet?
[21:17] <sick_rimmit> yofel: Gave us a LXC to work with
[21:17] <sick_rimmit> No, I  couldn't remember what I had to do after a successful pbuild
[21:18] <sick_rimmit> I thought there was one more step before doing a dput
[21:18] <sick_rimmit> I figure I would hang on till I spoke to you
[21:18]  * valorie is a bit over half-way through the Debian Policy
[21:18] <clivejo> well you must have done debuild -S to run it into pbuild
[21:18] <sick_rimmit> Of course we'll be waiting on release code
[21:18] <valorie> not sure how enlightened I am, but I've been getting to sleep easily......
[21:19] <clivejo> so next step is dput
[21:20]  * ahoneybun wonders if KDE as a whole can be put into a snappy
[21:20] <ahoneybun> 5.7 on 16.04 without PPAs anyone?
[21:21]  * sick_rimmit checks bash history
[21:21]  * sick_rimmit wonder how in the heck we merge that with debian
[21:22] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Yes, I did indeed debuild -S
[21:22] <clivejo> snappy is ubuntu
[21:22] <clivejo> it wouldnt be merged with debian
[21:22] <ahoneybun> but we are moving to LP no?
[21:22] <clivejo> unless they decided to use it, which I strongly doubt
[21:22] <sick_rimmit> I ran into a load of pbuilder troubles, so had to setup a build server ( hard drive layout on my laptop )
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> Anyways its good as now I have packaging server
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> The build of Muon worked
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> although I still need libqapt
[21:23] <ahoneybun> I could not find the docs I had on packaging
[21:24] <valorie> ahoneybun: in the /topic
[21:25] <sick_rimmit> I tell you this aaron, we so desperately need a new packagers guide to getting started
[21:25] <sick_rimmit> The journey I have been on trying to get packaging, is a long a painful road
[21:25] <sick_rimmit> and I only just got started
[21:26] <sick_rimmit> I suspect clivejo and sgclark whip themselves at night with flailing chains, to help them relax !!
[21:27] <clivejo> never did that :/
[21:27] <sgclark> um
[21:27] <sgclark> that sounds terrible
[21:27] <clivejo> is that part of the requirements
[21:27] <sick_rimmit> Says that in the Debian Policy page 211
[21:28] <clivejo> I really need to read that the whole way through
[21:28] <clivejo> but I keep falling asleep
[21:29] <sick_rimmit> I have a No Starch book on Debian, but I can't read it...
[21:29] <sick_rimmit> because its my Monitor stand
[21:29] <sick_rimmit> Which might account for why I don't know what I am doing
[21:36] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: did you upload?
[21:43] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: I did not, as we can't push this code, we need a release from KDE
[21:43] <mamarley> Hmm, I am trying to boot either Kubuntu Xenial Beta 2 or Kubuntu Xenial Nightly in KVM and both are being extremely crashy.  Most of the time they don't boot at all, and when they do, the installer either won't start or crashes complaining about out of memory.
[21:43] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: there is probably more work needed
[21:43] <clivejo> the reason I want you to push to LP is to get a debdiff
[21:43] <sick_rimmit> Oh OK, I see
[21:44] <clivejo> to make sure the changelog is sync'ed, which I sure its not
[21:44] <sick_rimmit> Might be able to do that for you now, give me a few minutes
[21:50] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: alright done
[21:50] <sick_rimmit> dput ppa:rick-timmis/kubuntu-utopic
[21:50] <sick_rimmit> ppa:rick-timmis/kubuntu-utopic
[21:50] <clivejo> but the package is xenial?
[21:51] <sick_rimmit> Oh ignore the ppa name, that's just my mistake
[21:52] <sick_rimmit> I called it the wrong thing
[21:52] <sick_rimmit> Should of called it Kubuntu
[21:52]  * sick_rimmit watch out expert on the loose
[21:52]  * sick_rimmit Ex as in old forgotful and no longer relevant
[21:53]  * sick_rimmit Spurt - like a drip, but under pressure
[21:53] <clivejo> ah here we go again
[21:53] <clivejo> Firefox hanging
[21:54] <clivejo> what is its problem!
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> alright it has appeared in my ppa
[21:54] <mamarley> Hmm, that was dumb of me.  The problem was, in fact, that I had not allocated enough RAM to the VM.  Silly me.
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> OK, I got to wrap up for tonight, I be back tomorrow
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> mamarley: DOH!
[21:54] <clivejo> go to the package details
[21:55] <clivejo> and view the diff
[21:58] <sick_rimmit> oooo lots of changes
[21:58] <clivejo> need to go through that
[21:59] <sick_rimmit> Ah ah now I see where to add Carlo, ovidiu-florin and me as maintainers
[21:59] <sick_rimmit> MuonVersion.h
[21:59] <sick_rimmit> Go through it, your kidding me right
[21:59] <sick_rimmit> Don't we just patch it and go
[22:00] <clivejo> well it will be missing all the discover and updater stuff they removed
[22:00] <clivejo> and also the packaging files we removed
[22:01] <clivejo> but the chnagelog needs to reflect whats in the Ubuntu archive
[22:01] <mamarley> yofel: I may have inadvertently discovered something mildly interesting: If I boot the Kubuntu LiveCD with nomodeset, the try/install selector works.
[22:04] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15821056/
[22:04] <clivejo> some of this red needs looking at
[22:06] <clivejo> basically means some of the released version made it into the archive but your version doesnt have a recod of them
[22:06] <clivejo> that needs fixing
[22:06] <sick_rimmit> Alright, it in me basket, I look through it tomorrow
[22:06] <clivejo> no prob
[22:06] <sick_rimmit> got to go to bed, i'm whacked
[22:06] <sick_rimmit> see you later
[22:06] <clivejo> night night
 Mam app update broke something
[23:10]  * mamarley just got KDE Neon installed in a Xenial VM.  Seems to work well.