[12:32] <Rocito> Hi! I wanna setup a way to graphically ssh into a windows-box over the internet from my xubuntu box
[12:33] <Rocito> anyone have relevant xp on the matter?
[12:35] <aroo> I'd offer help but I've never done it with Windows
[12:38] <Rocito> ah
[12:38] <Rocito> could you point me in the right direction?
[12:38] <Rocito> i'm sure it won't differ too much
[12:39] <Rocito> aroo - a few lines up :)
[12:40] <aroo> I'm not sure on the differences but I've used x11vnc and vncserver
[12:40] <aroo> No clue if they are available on Windows
[12:43] <Rocito> thanks aroo , i'll look it up. Know anything about PuTTy?
[12:52] <aroo> Sorry Rocito for not checking this channel often, I know enough to ssh with it
[01:11] <bulio> can I edit partitions with the xubuntu live/install CD?
[01:12] <bulio> without actually installing Xubuntu
[01:13] <Rocito> Ok thanks aroo, i think i'll use x11vnc to log into windows native 'desktop sharing' VNC server, it should work fine... .. . .. wishful thinking ;)
[01:17] <odat> hi everyone
[01:18] <odat> anyone know where to find the irc channel for deli linux?
[01:20] <odat> /join #ubuntu
[01:51] <bulio|> I'm running an Xubuntu CD, and am trying to access my Desktop of a broken xubuntu install
[01:51] <bulio|> I keep trying to access it, but it says permission denied
[01:51] <bulio|> is there some way I can get into the desktop so that I can backup my files?
[01:54] <bulio|> anyone?
[02:21] <cliebow> bulio|, did you try to mount the hard drive with sudo?
[02:25] <bulio|> cliebow: I'll try in a second
[02:36] <Wolfcastle> greetings
[02:37] <Wolfcastle> which is the best way to update xubuntu edgy? with aptitutde or from a cd?
[02:39] <j1mc> Wolfcastle: i had a good experience with the GUI upgrade manager.
[02:39] <Wolfcastle> you mean synaptic?
[02:39] <j1mc> one thing... before you upgrade, can you make sure that you have the xubuntu-desktop meta-package installed.
[02:39] <j1mc> Wolfcastle: no, there's a separate application.
[02:39] <j1mc> not synaptic.
[02:39] <j1mc> let me see if i can find the name of it.
[02:40] <Wolfcastle> thanx
[02:41] <j1mc> here is a link to a good site that should take you through it: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3d4kkg
[02:41] <j1mc> (i've put the page in preview mode . . . via tinyurl)
[02:42] <Wolfcastle> thank you :-)
[02:43] <j1mc> yw.
[02:43] <j1mc> check to make sure you have the xubuntu-desktop package installed.  :)
[02:43] <j1mc> and do you have any automatix stuff installed?
[02:43] <j1mc> Wolfcastle: ping  :)
[02:44] <Wolfcastle> nop don't think i have automatix
[02:44] <Wolfcastle> xubuntu-desktop yes i have it
[02:44] <j1mc> ok.  you'd know if you have automatix installed.
[02:44] <j1mc> sounds good.  :)  good luck!
[02:58] <i-like-beans> How can you make it so X doesnt automatically run at start up and can be started and stopped manually?
[03:01] <j1mc> you need to change your run level, i-like-beans
[03:02] <cellofellow> i-like-beans: install sysv-rc-conf, open it in a terminal, and make it so that 'gdm' doesn't start on runlevel 2.
[03:03] <i-like-beans> j1mc, thanks
[03:03] <i-like-beans> cellofellow, thank you also I'll try that now
[03:03] <j1mc> cellofellow: what about this: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-and-ubuntu-linux-run-levels.html
[03:04] <cellofellow> keep it on runlevel 3 so if you want to use it just do 'sudo init 3'
[03:04] <j1mc> editing /etc/inittab
[03:06] <cellofellow> I like sysv-rc-conf
[03:06] <j1mc> hmmm... ok.  i'll have to check that out.
[03:06] <i-like-beans> And one other thing, what terminal command can I use to list the hardware I have?
[03:07] <GrueTamer> lspci
[03:07] <j1mc> lspci is a good one
[03:07] <GrueTamer> lspci is like ls for hardware, i love it :)
[03:07] <j1mc> cat /proc/meminfo will list your memory informatoin
[03:07] <j1mc> cat /proc/cpuinfo will list cpu info
[03:07] <i-like-beans> thanks again guys
[03:19] <vidd> hyper_ch, can i bug ya again about wordpress?
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> forgot command for bach to make a .txt log
[03:19] <Catoptromancy> something like > file.txt
[03:20] <j1mc> Catoptromancy: well, what are you trying to do?
[03:21] <Catoptromancy> actually i got it
[03:22] <j1mc> if you enter something like "cat /proc/cpuinfo > cpuinfo.txt" it will pipe the output of that command to that text file
[03:22] <Catoptromancy> ya
[03:58] <vidd> *wave* cellofellow
[03:59] <cellofellow> *wave* everyone
[03:59] <cellofellow> particularly Vidd
[03:59] <vidd> cellofellow, check my blog:
[03:59] <cellofellow> viid.blogspot.com?
[03:59] <vidd> http://vidd.us/wordpress
[04:08] <Eagle_101> !ntfs
[04:08] <vidd> cellofellow, new post updated
[04:08] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:09] <cellofellow> vidd ok
[04:09] <Eagle_101> !ntfs-3g
[04:09] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:13] <cellofellow> I have a file with lots of ^M stuff, isn't that DOS format? How do I  convert that?
[04:28] <bulio|> how do I install pidgin on xubuntu?
[04:28] <bulio|> only gaim is in the repos
[04:30] <cellofellow> go to vidds download page, he has a deb package of pidgin on their
[04:30] <cellofellow> vidd: right? ^^
[04:31] <bulio|> ok
[04:32] <cellofellow> try packages.debian.org maybe.
[04:32] <cellofellow> Use Sid (Unstable) packages in Ubuntu.
[04:36] <bulio|> how do I have Xubuntu automatically mount a drive?
[04:36] <vidd> cellofellow, yes
[04:36] <vidd> vidd.us/downloads
[04:37] <cellofellow> vidd: nice blog. Needs a theme. ;)
[04:37] <vidd> yeah
[04:37] <vidd> like my site? or have you not looked?
[04:38] <cellofellow> bulio|: if it's internal, add it to fstab. If it's removable, set up Volume Management (Apps -> Settings -> File Manager -> Advanced (Tab) -> Configure Volume Management (Hyperlink).
[04:38] <cellofellow> vidd: surfing about
[04:38] <bulio|> cellofellow: its internal
[04:38] <vidd> cellofellow, i was refering to the look...there isnt much content yet
[04:39] <cellofellow> surfing around rather
[04:39] <bulio|> and finally, how do I change ownership of said drive to a certain user?
[04:39] <vidd> jester45 set it up for me...
[04:39] <cellofellow> bulio|: what /dev file and what FS
[04:39] <bulio|> I want my user to have read/write access to it
[04:39] <cellofellow> bulio|: all in /etc/fstab
[04:39] <cellofellow> !fstab
[04:39] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[04:39] <cellofellow> sorry I am not an expert on fstab
[04:39] <bulio|> /dev/hda7
[04:40] <cellofellow> vidd: Virtural :( Virtual
[04:40] <vidd> woops...
[04:40] <cellofellow> where'd you get the HTML theme?
[04:40] <cellofellow> template thing
[04:41] <cellofellow> or is it powered by Drupal or something?
[04:41] <vidd> come to #viddandme ...jester45 made it...he'd be the one to ask
[04:42] <cellofellow> ok
[04:42] <cellofellow> sweet stuff. 300000 mbit line + no bandwidth limit
[04:42] <cellofellow> how much $$$?
[04:43] <bulio|> and finally, how do I change ownership of a drive to a certain user?
[04:43] <bulio|> chown -R /mnt/storage?
[04:43] <cellofellow> it's the uid=number option
[04:43] <cellofellow> in fstab
[04:43] <cellofellow> as much as I know about it
[04:43] <vidd> cellofellow, the site is not complete...the info is not yet "accuracy proofed"
[04:43] <cellofellow> oh, I see, just a bunch of filler text.
[04:45] <vidd> yes
[04:47] <vidd> cellofellow, Jester45 said he got the theme from "somewhere on google"
[04:47] <cellofellow> ok
[04:48] <cellofellow> uses divs and CSS for layout, that's good.
[04:53] <Jester45> yea i dont remember where
[04:53] <Jester45> i searched for 3 column
[04:54] <Jester45> err more "3 column html "
[04:56] <cellofellow> no worries
[04:57] <vidd> cellofellow, you want some space?
[04:58] <cellofellow> I'm good with what I have now, but if you don't mind I may like some later. :)
[04:59] <vidd> np...special "discounted" rates...to all the good ppl that have and will help me out
[05:07] <bulio|> vidd: you only have pidgin 2.0 on your site?
[05:07] <bulio|> not 2.0.1?
[05:07] <Jester45> yea... i found that one a while ago
[05:07] <vidd> no...didnt know they updated it ;9
[05:07] <vidd> :(
[05:07] <bulio|> oh :P
[05:08] <Jester45> vidd is that the one i found
[05:08] <bulio|> it should be fine for now
[05:12] <vidd> bulio|, uploading new 2.0.1-1 deb now
[05:13] <vidd> upload complete
[05:14] <AlexC> vidd, uploads interest me
[05:14] <vidd> bulio|, you done downloading the old one? or did you abort?
[05:15] <vidd> AlexC, check out my downloads site then..... www.vidd.us/downloads
[05:18] <AlexC> hmm US, you say
[05:18] <AlexC> i am australian
[05:19] <cellofellow> vidd is Pennsylvanian.
[05:19] <vidd> that is ok...you have my permission to view my site
[05:19] <vidd> =]
[05:19] <vidd> cellofellow, .... SHHHH dont tell EVERYONE!!!!!
[05:19] <vidd> =]
[05:19] <cellofellow> sorry >:)
[05:20] <BFTD> I'm from California
[05:20] <AlexC> what is mini.iso?
[05:20] <vidd> BFTD, sorry to hear that
[05:20] <AlexC> lol
[05:20] <vidd> AlexC, it is the alt-alt cd....
[05:21] <vidd> lets you install any of the (*)buntu's from the internewt
[05:21] <BFTD> haha
[05:21] <cellofellow> sweet
[05:21] <BFTD> I think its a cool state but we should move this topic to #xubuntu-offtopic
[05:23] <magic_ninja> i wonder why i got banned from winehq, i havn't said anything in there for over 2 weeks
[05:24] <BFTD> magic_ninja it happens
[05:24] <AlexC> maybe it's your name
[05:24] <magic_ninja> magic_ninja?
[05:24] <AlexC> they night think your a 1337 n1nj4
[05:24] <AlexC> and be scared of your 1337 skillz
[05:25] <cellofellow> hello Napoleon Dynamite.
[05:25] <magic_ninja> does anyone know who runs the channel
[05:25] <j1mc> magic_ninja: why do you want to know who runs the channel?
[05:27] <AlexC> chanserv obviously
[05:27] <AlexC> lol
[05:27] <vidd> j1mc, probably to request to be un banned
[05:27] <test3r> hey if you goto boot up the livecd and it just dumps you at "BusyBox built in shell (ash). bin/sh  can't access TTY: job control turned off" , what are you supposed to do at that point?
[05:27] <j1mc> vidd: oh, i thought he meant this channel.
[05:27] <test3r> would it b best to try a 3.5" tux version with taht box?
[05:28] <test3r> or will Any tux work on it ?  if xubuntu couldt even make a VC, tux might be a bad option
[05:28] <vidd> j1mc, just a hunch....based on what he was saying
[05:28] <j1mc> vidd: i think you're right
[05:28] <j1mc> test3r: i'm not sure i understand your problem.
[05:29] <j1mc> is "tux" a linux distribution?
[05:29] <test3r> well see i try to boot the live CD of Xubuntu 704 right?
[05:29] <j1mc> ok
[05:29] <vidd> test3r, did you run a check on the cd to make sure it is not corrupt?
[05:29] <test3r> and it just dumps you at "BusyBox built in shell (ash). bin/sh  can't access TTY: job control turned off" , what are you supposed to do at that point?
[05:29] <test3r> thats pretty much my problem.
[05:29] <test3r> its kinda large.
[05:29] <test3r> ?
[05:29] <test3r> =x
[05:30] <j1mc> can you describe the computer's specs?
[05:30] <test3r> are you a kernel hacker?
[05:30] <test3r> it is a POS very old box.
[05:30] <test3r> i cant rly
[05:30] <test3r> as i cant lspci
[05:30] <test3r> ...
[05:30] <vidd> how much ram?
[05:30] <test3r> 240.
[05:30] <test3r> PC100
[05:30] <test3r> (i just put it in.)
[05:31] <vidd> is that enough to run live?
[05:31] <j1mc> 240mb?
[05:31] <test3r> wel it runs on 128
[05:31] <magic_ninja> j1mc: i would like to know who runs the channel so i can go about getting myself unbanned because i don't believe there is a reason for it
[05:31] <test3r> ive installed with 128
[05:31] <magic_ninja> its a pain
[05:31] <Jester45> a live cd of xubuntu need 128 to run and 192 to install
[05:31] <magic_ninja> 128 isn't much ram
[05:31] <test3r> but then again ive installed slack from floppy
[05:31] <Jester45> at least that what they say
[05:31] <test3r> so im not sure it matters
[05:31] <magic_ninja> Jester45: not if u strip down the install
[05:31] <j1mc> Jester45: those are old specs.  it needs more than 192 to run the live cd.
[05:32] <vidd> test3r, try turning off acpi
[05:32] <test3r> i have ~248 MB of PC100 RAM in it
[05:32] <test3r> acpi said it needed force
[05:32] <j1mc> test3r: i recommend trying out the alternate install cd if you want to install xubuntu on that machine
[05:32] <test3r> would it make a dif if i cut it out altogether from bootline of the livecd?
[05:32] <vidd> i would try it...
[05:33] <test3r> you think it will be able to bring up a terminal, then?
[05:33] <vidd> and if that dont work, use the alt or the mini cd
[05:33] <test3r> kus it coulnt launch TTY to set itself up.
[05:33] <test3r> OK i will look up the argument to boot without acpi
[05:33] <Jester45> j1mc, well... i tried feisty on a 120mb live cd so... is the "new" rating pertaining to gusty
[05:34] <vidd> if the alt cd cant boot...you might have to try an "alternative install method"
[05:34] <test3r> well the box might not even b able to run X all that gr8 neway
[05:34] <test3r> and all im gana do is throw snort on it neway
[05:34] <test3r> .
[05:35] <test3r> shouldi jus minimalslack it?
[05:35] <j1mc> Jester45: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2007-April/003509.html
[05:35] <vidd> if you are comfy with slack...then by all means
[05:35] <j1mc> apparently there are some exceptions?  :)
[05:35] <test3r> is the rate of boot any higher on old-old-end machines?
[05:35] <test3r> vidd?
[05:36] <test3r> using slak install from floppy?  i got it to work on a 16MB ram compaq
[05:36] <test3r> but that doesnt mean its totaly gana boot
[05:36] <test3r> ..
[05:36] <test3r> and its got 98 on it that i could tweek
[05:37] <vidd> if anything, i would imagine older machines might take longer to boot because cd roms, and other hardware are not designed to run as fast as newer stuff
[05:37] <Jester45> linux is more tweakable than 98
[05:37] <cellofellow> Universal Boot CD may help.
[05:38] <test3r> tru.  youd think it would b reasonalbe fast too it has PC100 in it- must have a descent AMD it looked like an AMD board when i was upgrading the ram
[05:38] <j1mc> test3r: what processor type/speed does this computer have?
[05:39] <test3r> im not even sure lets see if i can boot up win98 still - i had to switch my internal PCI cables to get the CD rom to be bootable-from
[05:39] <test3r> l8ers
[05:40] <test3r> the machine is so old- that on systems BIOS chck stuffs - it counts the ram 3 times
[05:40] <test3r> BOOT FAILURE
[05:40] <test3r> insert sys disk and press enter
[05:40] <test3r> nope
[05:40] <test3r> this box is  jakt
[05:41] <test3r> only one oter hope for it now.
[05:43] <AlexC> flash bios
[05:43] <AlexC> put linuxbios on it or something
[05:44] <AlexC> or update existing bios
[05:44] <test3r> yeah no joke there, man. now it says same thing it is only thing on pci cord
[05:45] <test3r> i now have a good suspiciion
[05:45] <test3r> thisboard can only boot from PCI1
[05:45] <test3r> it wont boot from 2 it seems.
[05:46] <test3r> Yes
[05:46] <test3r> thisis the case
[05:46] <test3r> it is very, very , very, very , LOL
[05:46] <test3r> VERY old
[05:46] <test3r> =(
[05:47] <test3r> im not even sure slack can handl this one.  ima try get HDD on IDE1.master and the CD on IDE1.slave
[05:48] <AlexC> get a historic distro, they are always fun
[05:49] <test3r> yeah now im thinkin, slak11 migt even b too much 4 it.  can u recommend one, Alex?
[05:54] <Jester45> test3r, how about a cli-only?
[05:56] <test3r> yeah cli is fine- thats what slack is when you start from floppy
[05:56] <test3r> i cant get these both on a PCI tho
[05:56] <test3r> slave is the inside connect yes?
[05:56] <test3r> master is the farthest
[05:56] <test3r> from the mobo connect
[05:57] <test3r> ?
[05:58] <test3r> the physical connect head if you are doing cableselect
[05:59] <test3r> i think i see the prob now the HDD is jumpered longways i ned to maek it master
[05:59] <test3r> right dow the middle mas w/slave
[06:03] <test3r> btw its Pentium2 , 350Mhrz
[06:03] <test3r> it just now started up as HDD master CD slave
[06:03] <test3r> for the first time in its existance.
[06:06] <AlexC> i have one of those
[06:06] <AlexC> but i took out the ram
[06:06] <AlexC> and graphics
[06:06] <AlexC> so it doesn't run that well
[06:10] <test3r> ok i got 256(248)MB RAM,  and the chipset is an intel i440BX it claims
[06:10] <test3r> running memtest. i just got "could not find kernel: H" from the UBUNTU disk
[06:11] <AlexC> mine is an IBM personal computer 300gl
[06:11] <test3r> sometimes i have luck with one not the other so i try ubuntu too
[06:11] <AlexC> mine doesn't run live cds from 6.10 onwards
[06:11] <test3r> but i know that disk is fine.  this computer is quite picky, indeed.
[06:11] <test3r> oh yeah?  hmmmmm maybe i should try 606 then?
[06:12] <AlexC> it worked for me
[06:12] <AlexC> that computer isn't running anymore though
[06:12] <AlexC> i got an AMD 1.3GHZ
[06:12] <AlexC> now
[06:12] <test3r> aw crud- it bit the big circuit in the sky?
[06:13] <AlexC> huh?
[06:13] <test3r> i just had an NEC monitor, a MultiSync , that I had for years, burn out on me
[06:13] <test3r> used it for 10 yrs or more i bet.
[06:13] <AlexC> lol
[06:13] <AlexC> i had an IBM monitor, it caught alight
[06:14] <test3r> like , on Fire?
[06:15] <test3r> chit! thats one of my biggest fears because Im always working with these old computers in, here, in my basement
[06:15] <test3r> i always make sure i got a drink close by
[06:15] <test3r> andnot spirits lol
[06:17] <Jester45> :)
[06:18] <test3r> "here fire,have some 80 proof liquer"
[06:20] <Jester45> well it *might* save some of the computer if you could get some water quickly after
[06:20] <jrsims> I just ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and restarted. but everything looks the same?
[06:20] <jrsims> I had edgy
[06:21] <Jester45> and thats if the water doesnt break it also because the liquor wouldnt instaly burn... so it might give you a second but then its a bigger fire after that
[06:21] <test3r> hahahaha, yeah id say liquor would be the bad choice to put out a computer fire with
[06:22] <test3r> my objective with throwing my drink at it is just to keep anything Else from burning
[06:22] <test3r> like, the house
[06:22] <test3r> u can buy a new puter a LOT cheaper
[06:23] <jrsims> hey, any xubuntu users here?
[06:23] <Jester45> idk some computer are pricey and some house are cheap :)
[06:23] <jrsims> I just ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and restarted. but everything looks the same?
[06:23] <test3r> there miht be some of them lurking about, jrsims
[06:23] <test3r> ;)
[06:23] <Jester45> jrsims, did you edit your sources.list and apt-get update
[06:23] <Pumpernickel> Imagine that... Xubuntu users in #xubuntu.
[06:23] <jrsims> ah... no
[06:23] <test3r> =O  !!!!! Wait ? Where am I ?
[06:24] <test3r> =D
[06:24] <jrsims> so the steps to upgrade from edgy to feisty are???
[06:24] <test3r> i usedthe cd
[06:24] <Jester45> edit /etc/sources/.list and change your current version to feisty or edgy then apt-get update
[06:24] <Jester45> then you can dist-upgrade
[06:25] <jrsims> weird. So what was apt doing when I ran dist-upgrade without changing sources?
[06:25] <Jester45> yea change all the edgy words in the sources.list to feisty then update and youll be ready
[06:25] <Jester45> trying to get the lasted edgy stuff
[06:25] <jrsims> so really, dist-upgrade doesn't really come in to play anywhere?
[06:26] <Jester45> dist-upgrade is just a smarter way of upgrade
[06:26] <jrsims> how is it different?
[06:26] <jrsims> and should I always use that then?
[06:26] <Jester45> it does if you changinf versions or kernel
[06:26] <Pumpernickel> You can also use the update-manager.  It's actually recommended over apt-get now - seems it has better conflict and dependency tracking.
[06:27] <jrsims> ok, well i will use update-manager
[06:27] <test3r> if updatemanager doesnt work too
[06:27] <Jester45> jrsims, the only time you need to use it is when apt- says some some upgrades are held back
[06:27] <test3r> you can always boot recovery
[06:27] <test3r> and try cli options
[06:27] <Pumpernickel> It also shouldn't crash, which was an issue around Dapper->Edgy.
[06:27] <test3r> such as apt-get
[06:27] <jrsims> ok
[06:28] <jrsims> looks like I need to quit everything to run this. so thanks for the help, and see ya later!
[06:28] <test3r> update-manager? heck the screensaver goes with the updates going in here
[06:29] <test3r> id b tempted to actually run something else.
[06:29] <Jester45> :)
[06:29] <test3r> ;p
[06:29] <Jester45> i do untill it starts installing
[06:29] <Jester45> but when its downloading i do things
[06:30] <Jester45> but course now with my l33t skills i have seprate partitions and just upgrade with cd + dcript
[06:30] <test3r> yeah you shouldnt have the pak up its actualy updating by install at the sam time. just downloading pax obviously isnt changing anything
[06:30] <Jester45> script*
[06:31] <test3r> why dont u jus get ur pax out of ur /var/apt/cache ?
[06:32] <Jester45> ??? using a script is better because you get the newest stuff
[06:33] <test3r> OK im confused- are you making a test install on the other partition? what IS the point of the other partition? and how is that dif than the live cd? and why is new better than stable?
[06:33] <Jester45> its simple first, edit sources.list to include all wanted repos second apt-get update
[06:34] <Jester45> third, remove unwanted things. forth install wanted things. and last update
[06:34] <Jester45> new is better because you get new stuff. at lease for me
[06:35] <Jester45> and... i use the alt cd because its simpler and faster
[06:35] <test3r> it could b Faster.
[06:35] <test3r> if i had a number sequence i could put at boot prompt
[06:35] <Jester45> and the point is that i can keep many configs and /home stuff but yet can have a fresh install
[06:36] <Jester45> no im saying that i dont upgrade to new versions
[06:36] <Jester45> i use a cd to install
[06:36] <test3r> oicu have your /home and other app specific dirs on the other partition
[06:36] <test3r> and the first is the os
[06:37] <test3r> yeah i was thinking about doing that, then i went with the complete other dist option on this notebook.
[06:37] <Jester45> but i use a 2nd partition to store stuff that i dont want to format so that after the upgrade its like i have a fresh system but with my configs still there
[06:37] <test3r> so it has XP, xubuntu, and nubuntu on it's HDD.
[06:37] <Jester45> nubuntu ?
[06:38] <test3r> yes - it's for security auditing of networks.
[06:38] <Jester45> net ubuntu ?
[06:38] <test3r> ithink its short for network buntu yes
[06:38] <test3r> uses flux
[06:39] <test3r> i had to hak grub manually and pass it a UUID for it to start up
[06:39] <test3r> After managing to get it onto the hdd
[06:39] <test3r> because the installer is, well, non-existant.
[06:42] <Jester45> this is a stupid question probley but gusty has a live cd right? i just figured i would after before searching for it
[06:42] <test3r> but thats the way it should be honestly. if you cant get that up and going, you shouldnt be using the tools On it probably
[06:43] <test3r> dunno
[06:49] <test3r> do you mean Gutsy?
[06:49] <test3r> gutsy gibbon>?
[06:50] <test3r> i tested with 610 and my gForce 2 was broke with that one i still dont know why they must have figured it out though
[06:50] <Jester45> yea
[06:50] <test3r> we chkt and chkt in here
[06:51] <test3r> =)
[06:52] <test3r> hark!@ MEMTEST86 is almost complete
[06:52] <test3r> ill test 606 like someone was saying
[06:53] <test3r> i was thinking about hark then i thought UHARC then i thought of HVAC. - u know - forthelongest time, because of doom, i thought HVAC were computers
[06:54] <test3r> no idea why. kus it always says UHARC on the cases dont it?
[06:54] <test3r> where the Heck did i get that from? honestly.
[06:54] <Jester45> !info quota
[06:54] <ubotu> quota: implementation of the disk quota system. In component main, is optional. Version 3.14-6 (feisty), package size 414 kB, installed size 1264 kB
[06:55] <test3r> one bite?  ;p
[06:56] <test3r> i took yours ahd his bites today, man whooooaaaa
[06:56] <test3r> two trashed hotdogs, two helpings beans
[06:56] <test3r> and these cheesey hash brown potatoes homemade
[06:56] <test3r> oooooooooo
[06:56] <test3r> =x
[06:57] <test3r> my family can throw a party.
[06:59] <test3r> it was my lil cousins 16th.
[06:59] <test3r> surprise party actualy Worked, heh
[07:01] <test3r> ok i got 606 ubuntu desk to try first, then i got a 606 alt Xu, too
[07:02] <test3r> woot loading kernel
[07:03] <test3r> thats a nice Step Up from not finding it at all.
[07:04] <test3r> i wonder what the big difference is between 606 and 704 that would cause it not to work
[07:08] <Jester45> umm
[07:08] <Jester45> xfce whent to a newer major version version
[07:09] <test3r> yeah, that is true. but the cd couldnt even load the kernel
[07:09] <test3r> it didnt even get to a vid driver
[07:09] <Jester45> new kernels also
[07:10] <test3r> oo?    =/   huh!  well crud, so now the old machines have to use the older versions, huh?
[07:10] <Jester45> edgy was 6.17 and now its 6.20
[07:11] <test3r> oh man
[07:11] <test3r> u should see the res
[07:11] <test3r> LOL the icon i the size of y fist
[07:11] <test3r> um it might be a bad idea putting this on here.
[07:11] <test3r> it looks like crap inside X   =(
[07:12] <test3r> maybe its not using the intel driver tho. but i didnt see an i400 driver
[07:14] <test3r> well acording to the xorg.conf that is in /filesystem of the livecd, it is using the i740 driver
[07:15] <test3r> theother chipset must b what was on the mobo itself
[07:19] <test3r> 640x480@60hrz   =(((  i cant even see the "next" btn on the installer
[07:19] <test3r> bollox
[07:22] <Jester45> why dont you use the alternative installer? its much faster
[07:25] <test3r> yeah now im trying that actually 606 xubuntu
[07:25] <test3r> can i resize fat32 with that?
[07:26] <test3r> with the manual partition option?
[07:26] <Jester45> should
[07:26] <test3r> or did it even exist on 606?
[07:26] <Jester45> it did
[07:26] <test3r> k
[07:26] <Jester45> i love aXXo
[07:28] <Chikubu> hello pplz
[07:28] <Jester45> hi
[07:29] <Chikubu> im getting fatal error near end of install, unable to install GRUB in (hd0) - - executing 'grub-install (hdo)' failed.
[07:29] <Chikubu> system wont boot after this, tried reinstall from live cd, same error
[07:30] <test3r> do you have anoter linux installed already?
[07:30] <Chikubu> no
[07:30] <Jester45> o yea... can anyone here tell me how to test bandwidth from the cli.... i tried wget but im not sure where i should download to get full speed
[07:30] <Chikubu> but win98 is
[07:31] <test3r> it Should b find with win98 no problems at all
[07:31] <Chikubu> how can i launch grub manualy, were does it park
[07:32] <Jester45> well... it seems like you didnt install it
[07:32] <Chikubu> is it on cd
[07:32] <Jester45> because it failed to execute the install
[07:33] <test3r> the directory   /var/cache/apt   is where it might be right after it has just tried to install
[07:33] <test3r> if you can get to root
[07:33] <test3r> and cp that pak into ur hdd
[07:33] <test3r> then root into your install
[07:33] <test3r> u can get it on ^ ^
[07:34] <test3r> put it in the same spot
[07:34] <test3r> then when you run for it to install that pack, it will get it off there
[07:34] <Chikubu> its not in /apt
[07:34] <test3r> oh wait the connect isnt the prob- my bad, b
[07:34] <test3r> not right now
[07:34] <test3r> immediately after it has been installed / tried to install
[07:35] <test3r> not so sure about the Tried part, there
[07:35] <Chikubu> which was just then
[07:35] <test3r> but its a good chance
[07:36] <test3r> why dont you just get the pack while running thelive cd
[07:36] <test3r> is there a way to set it up from there, or get it....,,, hmmmm
[07:36] <Pumpernickel> You can run grub-install from the cd.  If it doesn't install, it should at least give a useful error.
[07:37] <test3r> , heh, see i knew it was something i wasnt thinking about correctly
[07:38] <test3r> and pumpernickel, it will effect the HDD then, and not just the ram, at that point?
[07:38] <Chikubu> ok let me try off the cd
[07:38] <test3r> do you have to pass it anything before?
[07:39] <Chikubu> help system needs some work dead links everywhere
[07:40] <Pumpernickel> Before, no, just run it.  It will affect the HDD, once you confirm what you want done.
[07:41] <Chikubu> can u use Thunar to mount a cd
[07:48] <Chikubu> does live cd mount cd as /mnt/cdrom ?
[07:48] <test3r> yeah- go in and do "ls"
[07:49] <test3r> er not itself
[07:49] <test3r> thats once its going
[07:50] <test3r> im not even sure if this install is worth saving thats on this computer im working on
[07:51] <Chikubu> doh its just cdrom, i was making it complicated
[07:51] <test3r> ~4g win98 install...   it has some Gator thing on the TASKbar
[07:51] <test3r> blelch.  and like 83MB of junk on root
[07:51] <test3r> recovered docs
[07:51] <test3r> i prob shouldnt even have the thing connected to my net  =9
[08:05] <test3r> avg 7.5 just upgraded the version 6 that was on this win98 box in ~2min and a reboot.
[08:36] <zoidberg> hey guys
[08:36] <zoidberg> how can you make a perl script run at login?
[08:37] <logmein> how things going, anyone need anything?
[08:37] <zoidberg> logmein, i need something
[08:37] <zoidberg> how do i run a script on login
[08:37] <zoidberg> ?
[08:38] <logmein> under menu >> settings >> auto started applications
[08:38] <logmein> zoidberg: trying to get beryl up or such?
[08:39] <zoidberg> no this lil perl script that starts the YAB adesklet on startup
[09:01] <unikon> hey have any of you ever had a problem with trying to log in to Xubuntu where you put in the user id and password yet it takes you back to the login screen
[09:31] <Kjellviz> on a 20gb hdd install, 2gb for swap and the rest ext3, does that sound bout ok ?
[09:32] <Catoptromancy> why would you need 2gb for swap
[09:32] <Kjellviz> dunno, its what pclinuxos set up as swap on a previous install
[09:32] <Kjellviz> 2,8gb to be exact
[09:33] <Catoptromancy> hmm
[09:33] <Catoptromancy> well i guess it couldnt hurt
[09:33] <Catoptromancy> probably better
[09:37] <logmein> how much ram you got?
[09:38] <logmein> not so much swap that's a bit too much
[09:38] <logmein> shouldn't ever need more than about one gig of swap
[09:39] <Kjellviz> i think it has 256mb
[09:39] <logmein> and that's only so you can do advanced suspension and hibernation features
[09:39] <Kjellviz> might even be 128
[09:39] <logmein> for regular desktop use x2 the ram it has but stop at 1gig
[09:39] <Kjellviz> ok
[09:39] <logmein> so 256 use 512 swap
[09:39] <Kjellviz> i made 2gb now :P
[09:39] <logmein> and it won't be exact because it sizes it so you get max performance out of hard drive space for the file system type
[09:39] <Kjellviz> but i guess it doesent hurt
[09:40] <Kjellviz> its not like i need the space for something else
[09:41] <logmein> I'm using so far 11G and that's with a shitload of installer files, movies, pictures etc
[09:41] <logmein> I also tend to use dev files for compiling a lot
[09:41] <Kjellviz> this comp will be used for surfing only
[09:41] <logmein> Kjellviz: you can do a lot of stuff with 256mb
[09:42] <Kjellviz> ye, but it will be used for surfing only ^^
[09:42] <logmein> heh
[09:42] <Kjellviz> its a old laptop that the family uses around the house for surfing
[09:42] <Kjellviz> nothing else
[09:43] <Kjellviz> im most curious bout how my wlan will be working
[09:43] <Pumpernickel> unikon: What video card does that system have?
[09:43] <logmein> kjellviz: this guide might be helpful for you http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8308
[09:43] <logmein> kjellviz: lot of firefox things and hardrive adjustment tweaks
[09:44] <unikon> pumpenickel the vid card hasnt been an issue
[09:44] <logmein> Kjellviz: what does lspci say about your wireless interface?
[09:44] <unikon>  its an internal vid
[09:45] <Pumpernickel> unikon: What maker?
[09:45] <Kjellviz> logmein: dunno im still struggling with install (but i got it working in pclinuxos using ndiswrapper)
[09:45] <Pumpernickel> (I'm just thinking of bug 68291.)
[09:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68291 in xserver-xorg-video-tdfx "GDM Restarts after Desktop loads while using tdfx driver" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68291
[09:45] <Kjellviz> the partitioner has problems with my hdd for some reason
[09:46] <logmein> Kjellviz: well grab ndiswrapper from http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/ and compile it, the one in repository is ancient
[09:47] <logmein> they also have a list of cards and what driver to use so grab the windows one and install it with wine which again might want to go to winehq to get: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/ubuntu/feisty/wine_0.9.38~winehq0~ubuntu~7.04-1_i386.deb
[09:47] <Kjellviz> aha thanks!
[09:48] <Kjellviz> does the newer version have graphical interface ?
[09:48] <Kjellviz> cos it did in pclinuxos
[09:48] <logmein> you don't need a graphical interface if it takes only 3 commands to get going lmao
[09:48] <Kjellviz> ye i know
[09:48] <Kjellviz> but ive had SO much troubles getting it to work before
[09:48] <Kjellviz> since im linux illiterate
[09:49] <Kjellviz> :P
[09:49] <logmein> just remember -i -m modprobe restart
[09:49] <logmein> then fiddle with the wireless switch
[09:49] <Kjellviz> this graphical thingy in pclos was a breeze, it asked for my win driver, installed it and boom i was online
[09:51] <Kjellviz> daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, the installer partitioner in fiesty sux
[09:51] <Kjellviz> argh
[09:51] <Pumpernickel> What's the problem?
[09:52] <Kjellviz> it keeps giving me errors that it cant mount a partition
[09:52] <Kjellviz> and if there has been a previous installation of linux on the hdd
[09:52] <Kjellviz> using the "use the whole hdd" will give me a grub error when booted after install
[09:53] <Pumpernickel> Grub can be reinstalled and reconfigured during the Feisty install - that shouldn't be an issue.
[09:54] <Pumpernickel> As for mounting the partitions, you're probably facing bug 107259.
[09:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[09:54] <Kjellviz> its the grub that is installed during feisty install that gives the error
[09:55] <Pumpernickel> What's the error message?
[09:56] <Kjellviz> ive had error 15 and error 24
[09:58] <Kjellviz> now the partitioner gave me error "failed creating ext3 filesystem on partition 1 on SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda)
[09:58] <Kjellviz> freely translated from swedish though
[09:58] <Kjellviz> and its not a scsi disk, its a laptop
[09:59] <Pumpernickel> Grub error 24 isn't good.
[09:59] <Pumpernickel> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors
[09:59] <Kjellviz> yep know
[09:59] <Kjellviz> a reinstalled fixed it though =\
[10:00] <logmein> ah yeah I had same problem since I improperly installed over windows ntfs partition
[10:00] <logmein> think it thought I was trying to dual boot or something
[10:00] <Kjellviz> ye
[10:01] <Kjellviz> only this was when pclinuxos was installed previously
[10:01] <Kjellviz> not windwos
[10:01] <Kjellviz> but same thing
[10:07] <logmein> just do it manually, specify which is / directory, tell it format all them, and set it to 512 swap :)
[10:08] <Kjellviz> ye that failed as well
[10:09] <Kjellviz> it could not create ext3 on the partition i chose
[10:09] <Kjellviz> for some fubar reason
[10:12] <Kjellviz> btw, i cant set it to format swap partition, but thats normal innit ?
[10:14] <cybane> Anyone ever used an SD card with the TI7xx1 cardreader with xubuntu?
[10:17] <Kjellviz> finally, the installer is getting on :)
[10:18] <logmein> cybane: most SD card readers are hard to get working on linux but I have one in my lappy never got working, do you know where I could check to see if its possible to use it for something?
[10:19] <Catoptromancy> all my card readers work
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> I dont know what kind it is
[10:20] <Catoptromancy> 8 in 1
[10:20] <highvoltage> mine works on laptop though
[10:25] <logmein> I bought one of those dv9000t from hp
[10:25] <logmein> so far its been fine, just that damn sd card reader
[10:26] <logmein> I was hoping to get it working since my mother has this old digital camera that gtkcam can't get working because of its proprietary usb interface
[10:27] <Kjellviz> vmware maybe ?
[10:30] <Kjellviz> for the cam i mean
[10:32] <Kjellviz> anyone got any idea why firefox refuses to "remember my password (read: accept the cookie) from hotmail when i choose "keep my name and password" as a login option ?
[10:32] <Kjellviz> ive got accept all cookies on
[10:33] <cybane> logmein: I check teh intarwebs
[10:37] <logmein> Kjellviz: hmm do you have a master password perhaps?
[10:38] <Kjellviz> logmein: its not the firefox option im trying to use
[10:38] <logmein> Kjellviz: oh don't let cookies handle your logins let firefox do it
[10:38] <Kjellviz> logmein: when logging in, i can choose to stay logged in
[10:38] <Kjellviz> but i wish to let cookies do it
[10:38] <Kjellviz> ^^
[10:39] <logmein> Kjellviz: what for? you just gonna get hacked by weird flash java exploits
[10:39] <Kjellviz> i want to be autologged in when i open the link
[10:39] <Kjellviz> sure, im not to worried about that
[10:39] <Kjellviz> if they wanna hack they are welcome to steal my spam ><
[10:40] <logmein> Kjellviz: hmm well if firefox can remember the login information there might be a way to get it to send extra option of enter button
[10:40] <logmein> Kjellviz: nah that's how you get spam :P
[10:40] <Kjellviz> firefox does remember it (after using a little hack)
[10:45] <Kjellviz> logmein: allrite, got xubuntu installed on the laptop now
[10:46] <Kjellviz> now begins the fun part
[10:46] <Kjellviz> getting wireless up n running =(
[10:46] <logmein> what card is it though
[10:46] <Kjellviz> linksys
[10:46] <logmein> ah crap
[10:46] <Kjellviz> but as sais
[10:46] <Kjellviz> said*
[10:47] <logmein> I had bad run in with linksys wireless card when I was first getting into linux
[10:47] <Kjellviz> i got it working using ndiswrapper and win driver in pclos
[10:47] <logmein> ok but what does lspci report about it?
[10:48] <Kjellviz> broadcom bcm4318
[10:48] <logmein> can you give me the exact line output?
[10:48] <Kjellviz> ok sec
[10:50] <kjellvi1> 07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[10:50] <logmein> ooh interesting
[10:50] <Kjellviz> thats it
[10:50] <Kjellviz> really ?
[10:50] <Kjellviz> ^^
[10:51] <logmein> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,list_b/ read the second listing 2.
[10:51] <Kjellviz> ye
[10:51] <logmein> I'd still suggest grabbing latest ndiswrapper even though that tester didn't, lot of fixes on performance
[10:52] <Kjellviz> well i was just about to
[10:52] <Kjellviz> but compiling aint exactly my cup of tea ><
[10:53] <Kjellviz> was hoping there was a .deb for it hehe
[10:53] <logmein> oh trust me compiling it is the easy way lol
[10:53] <Kjellviz> it will be when i understand the concept of it
[10:53] <logmein> I must have screwed up in every way imaginable then I got wireless going on my brothers laptop in under a minute
[10:53] <Kjellviz> bout now im just copy/pasting commands
[10:54] <logmein> just ./configure make sudo su make install
[10:54] <Kjellviz> sudo su ?
[10:54] <logmein> read the install or readme text file though just to make sure
[10:54] <logmein> yeah gives you root prompt
[10:54] <Kjellviz> ok
[10:55] <logmein> instead of typing sudo for dozen of commands
[10:55] <logmein> most beginners don't know what requires root privs so report errors about it that is why most refer to a command as sudo inclined
[10:56] <Kjellviz> that last sentence was greek to me ><
[10:56] <Kjellviz> ohhh off to a good start
[10:56] <Kjellviz> errormessage during unpacking the tar.bz
[10:57] <Kjellviz> just my kind of luck
[10:57] <logmein> Kjellviz: right click it and choose extract here
[10:57] <logmein> there are millions of text commands to uncompress something so I never bother
[10:58] <logmein> oh and for starts you might want zip, cabextract, rar, 7z compression formulas added
[10:58] <logmein> so you don't have to figure out why something won't extract later on
[10:58] <Kjellviz> ok ?
[10:59] <Kjellviz> is it needed for this install ?
[11:00] <logmein> most likely not
[11:00] <logmein> yeah those files aren't zipped
[11:00] <Kjellviz> ok then its not needed =P
[11:00] <logmein> suit yourself
[11:01] <Kjellviz> when i get online
[11:01] <Kjellviz> im done
[11:01] <Kjellviz> thats all i need on this comp
[11:01] <logmein> okie dokie then
[11:02] <logmein> Kjellviz: this looks pretty kool for web browsing https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4521
[11:03] <Kjellviz> blah pastebin is fubar, got a alternative ?
[11:04] <logmein> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:04] <logmein> ubuntu's private finest pastebin at your disposal :P
[11:04] <kjellvi1> =D
[11:05] <kjellvi1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24969/
[11:27] <kjellvi1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24972/
[11:35] <alleweder> i having a weard problem with xubuntu, when i open a terminal screen i get logout.
[11:36] <alleweder> command line is a basic ellement i would like to use.
[11:42] <grazie> alleweder: Is that launching from the menu? Have you tried launching Terminal from alt+f2? Can you get a virtual console, ctrl+alt+f1?
[11:44] <alleweder> mmmm i just found out that if i lok at the add software, there is not the therminal installed.
[11:44] <alleweder> looks like defautl there is not a terminal in the menu.
[11:46] <alleweder> mmm i got kicked off again grazie.
[11:46] <alleweder> so alt f2 is not realy working. :-)
[11:47] <grazie> :(
[11:47] <alleweder> i am now working on the add/remove applications.
[11:47] <grazie> ctrl+alt+f1?
[11:47] <alleweder> and there i can add the terminal. ( very weard that it is not installed default).
[11:49] <TheSheep> alleweder: there was a bug in xubuntu terminal that make it kill X on some intel cards
[11:50] <alleweder> ok thanks TheSheep. in my system there is indeed a intel video card.
[11:50] <alleweder> i am using a old Dell GX150 system to make a small home server.
[11:51] <alleweder> http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/06/05/build_your_own_server/1
[11:51] <logmein> TheSheep: can you show me more of that bug? my friend was going to try out xubuntu and he uses an intel card
[11:51] <alleweder> THis was the artical that did give some inspiration to me.
[11:52] <grazie> alleweder: been trying to search launchpad for quite a while, but it looks like it's on a go slow :(
[11:54] <alleweder> sorry grazie i do not get your remark,
[11:54] <alleweder> do you mean that you do have a problem installing ?.
[11:56] <alleweder> ctrl+alt+f1 is working ok
[11:57] <TheSheep> logmein: bug #114124
[11:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114124 in xfce4-terminal "Xubuntu 7.04 xserver crashes when launching terminal" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114124
[11:57] <logmein> TheSheep: alrighty thx
[12:01] <alleweder> thanks, this is indeed the bug i have.
[12:47] <alleweder> ok this sound maybe as a stupid question, but how do i run the gnome2 terminal once i have it installed ?.
[12:48] <TheSheep> alleweder: gnome-terminal
[12:48] <alleweder> brb
[01:00] <logmein> xub xub!
[01:00] <logmein> :)
[01:05] <Kjellviz> i want xubuntu to automatically log on to a default user on boot, where can i find the settings for that ?
[01:06] <TheSheep> Kjellviz: system->login window settings
[01:08] <Kjellviz> TheSheep: cannot find that, but ive installed swedish language (but cant see anything that resembles that in swedish)
[01:18] <Kjellviz> forget, got it sorted
[01:51] <logmein> I applied this theme to xubuntu but now webpages look like crap http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2007061003483qd4.png how do I fix that?
[02:21] <logmein> well bye peoples I gotta go kick some ass on tremulous :)
[02:21] <logmein> but before I go...
[02:21] <logmein> xub xub! (^_^) 'O
[02:26] <Kjellviz> whats the "gedit" command in xubuntu ?
[02:27] <hyper_ch> Kjellviz: ???
[02:27] <hyper_ch> Kjellviz: what is the gedit command?
[02:27] <Kjellviz> command for graphically editing a file
[02:27] <Kjellviz> its gedit in ubuntu
[02:27] <Kjellviz> gnome edit i guess
[02:28] <Kjellviz> forget i remember now, its mousepad
[02:29] <hyper_ch> what do you need that from the command line?
[02:29] <Kjellviz> i needed to edit xorg.conf
[02:29] <Kjellviz> and fastest way is just opening it from terminal yes
[02:31] <hyper_ch> nano xorg.conf
[02:31] <hyper_ch> that's faster then mousepad or gedit
[02:32] <Kjellviz> how come thats faster ?
[02:32] <hyper_ch> takes less time to open nano than gedit or mousepad
[02:33] <Kjellviz> ok
[02:35] <Kjellviz> thanks for the tip
[02:36] <hyper_ch> or if you can handle:   vi
[02:37] <Kjellviz> nah had issues with vi
[02:37] <Kjellviz> :P
[02:38] <hyper_ch> vi is also too complicated for my simple mind
[02:38] <hyper_ch> but it's supposed to be one of the most powerful and efficient editors
[02:39] <Kjellviz> lol
[02:39] <Kjellviz> im trying to download internet explorer
[02:40] <Kjellviz> and it asks me to validate my os version
[02:40] <Kjellviz> roflol
[02:40] <hyper_ch> iiiieeeks
[04:52] <logmein> my xfce theme still bugging out my browser, any ideas as to how to make firefox load different buttons and search bars?
[05:03] <logmein> aubade: hi
[05:30] <Hekos> hi, did a fresh install, the panel wont show up
[05:30] <Hekos> live cd also without panel
[05:34] <vidd_laptop> Hekos, which panel does not show up?
[05:36] <Hekos> no panel
[05:36] <Hekos> xfce4-panel
[05:36] <Hekos> have to run it manualy every boot
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> herm
[05:45] <vidd_laptop> then it would appear that it is just not set to auto-load....
[05:46] <Hekos> downloaded the latest iso today
[05:47] <TheSheep> Hekos: clear the ~/.cache/sessions
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> did you disable the "Save Session for Future Logins" or logout using a method other then the "Quit" app?
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, your too fast for me
[05:47] <vidd_laptop> =]
[05:48] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: I just got home
[05:48] <Hekos> well, seems wierd that it does the same on live cd
[05:48] <vidd_laptop> yeah...one glance, and BANG instant answer [most likely the correct one] !
[05:49] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: for every release, there is like 4 or 5 most common problems with ready solutions
[05:49] <vidd_laptop> Hekos, there was probably some issue with the live cd loading the autoload of the panel...and that was passed on when you installed
[05:50] <Hekos> ok
[05:50] <TheSheep> nice, googleearth in the repos :)
[05:51] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, in gutsy?
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> cuzz i dont see it in fiesty
[05:52] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: yes
[05:52] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: and user-mode-linux
[05:52] <vidd_laptop> user-mode?
[05:53] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: linux kernel that runs in user mode, like normal application
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> interesting....user-mode-linux-doc is in fiesty repo, but not the app!
[05:54] <vidd_laptop> what kernel is gutsy using?
[05:55] <Hekos> TheSheep, works, ty =)
[05:55] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: so far 2.6.22
[05:58] <vidd_laptop> point 02 better then fiesty
[06:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: because they'd have to test everything from start
[06:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: and that would basically be a new release
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> really?
[06:00] <vidd_laptop> just for a kernel upgrade?
[06:00] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: kernel+modules+init scripts+udev
[06:01] <vidd_laptop> ah....basically "everything the distro is built on"
[06:01] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: plus a bunch of things depending on the modules, like graphics drivers for X, scanners, printers, tablets
[06:02] <vidd_laptop> have you noticed that the live cd almost always has more issues then the alt?
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> and is that because more ppl use it, or because there are more things that CAN go wrong?
[06:03] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: that's because it has less testers -- most users just upgrade their existing installations
[06:03] <vidd_laptop> hrm....
[06:04] <vidd_laptop> i dont like the look&feel of the live...plus the overhead is annoying
[06:08] <TheSheep> yeah, a really light livecd would be nice
[06:11] <vidd_laptop> =]
[06:12] <cheeseboy> hi
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> welcome cheeseboy
[06:13] <cheeseboy> can anyone tell me if my linksys wpc300n wireless card will work in xubuntu before i install?
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> before you install....hard to tell....
[06:13] <vidd_laptop> do you have the live cd?
[06:14] <cheeseboy> no i dont want to waste my only cd
[06:14] <cheeseboy> i know it wont work right away
[06:14] <vidd_laptop> do you know what kind of chipset it uses?
[06:14] <vidd_laptop> does it use the bcm43xx chipset?
[06:14] <cheeseboy> is there any way to check on windows?
[06:15] <vidd_laptop> not that im awareof
[06:15] <vidd_laptop> let me do some checking for you.....
[06:15] <cheeseboy> kk thnx
[06:16] <TheSheep> there is a list of supported hardware on the wiki, I think, and on the forum
[06:16] <cheeseboy> i 99% sure it wont work right away
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy, if worse comes to worse.. you can always us ndiswrapper
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> *use
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> you have a wired network card right?
[06:17] <cheeseboy> wireless
[06:17] <cheeseboy> no ethernet port
[06:17] <vidd_laptop> =/
[06:18] <cheeseboy> so i need the deb to put on my pendrive
[06:18] <vidd_laptop> then it will be difficult....but NOT impossible
[06:18] <vidd_laptop> we can help get you through it once everything is installed
[06:18] <cheeseboy> i have another pc so can u walk me through it?
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> absolutely....
[06:19] <cheeseboy> kk thnx
[06:19] <vidd_laptop> i recomend you use the alt cd rather then the live cd for installing
[06:19] <cheeseboy> where i get that?
[06:20] <vidd_laptop> same page you get the live...just scroll down
[06:21] <cheeseboy> ok
[06:22] <cheeseboy> gonna be about 1/ hr to dl
[06:22] <cheeseboy> 1/2*
[06:22] <vidd_laptop> thats ok...my lunch break is only half an hour
[06:22] <vidd_laptop> =]
[06:43] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:43] <GrueTamer> eyy
[06:44] <JuanTelez> hi
[06:52] <[EG] EndeR> hi there
[06:52] <[EG] EndeR> I have a question
[06:53] <[EG] EndeR> I am running xubuntu and I want to get the pictures from my Canon Powershot S2
[06:53] <[EG] EndeR> xubuntu does not seem to automatically detect the camera
[06:53] <[EG] EndeR> any suggestions?
[06:59] <cheeseboy> vidd_laptop, u there?
[06:59] <vidd_laptop> yes.... im on a call right now....
[07:00] <cheeseboy> kk i just finshed dling cd
[07:01] <vidd_laptop> cool
[07:02] <JuanTelez> could somebody please tell what is the program to config a dial up conection that comes whit Xubuntu?
[07:03] <vidd_laptop> JuanTelez, sudo network-admin
[07:05] <cheeseboy> vidd_laptop, can i refresh hardware dection w/o reboot?
[07:06] <cheeseboy> cause i hadda plugh my cd drive in
[07:06] <vidd_laptop> yes...but im not sure how....
[07:07] <cheeseboy> :(
[07:08] <vidd_laptop> my stuff is usually auto-detected and auto-loaded when i plug it in
[07:08] <vidd_laptop> put a disk in the drive...the contents should autoload
[07:08] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: thanks, actualy I don't use Xubuntu
[07:10] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: I'm trying to help a friend, but he is even more newbie than me
[07:11] <vidd_laptop> JuanTelez, is HE using xubuntu?
[07:11] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: vidd_laptop yes
[07:11] <cheatersrealm> what is the command line name for the cd burner that thunar invokes by default?
[07:11] <vidd_laptop> then on his computer, go to the command line, and type sudo network-admin
[07:12] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: I will like to see some screenshots of the program
[07:12] <JuanTelez> vidd_laptop: thats why I ask the name of the program
[07:12] <vidd_laptop> the name of the app is "network-sdmin"
[07:12] <vidd_laptop> *admin
[07:12] <JuanTelez> thanks again vidd_laptop
[07:17] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, burnin cd now
[07:17] <vidd_laptop> cool
[07:17] <vidd_laptop> when you first run it, immediately check the disk for errors
[07:18] <cheeseboy1> :(
[07:18] <cheeseboy1> theres gonna be a fewerrors
[07:19] <vidd_laptop> not necessarily...just ALWAYS good practice
[07:20] <cheeseboy1> the cds scrached up a lil
[07:20] <cheeseboy1> but always worksfine
[07:36] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, now installing
[07:49] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, craplots of errors
[07:49] <cheeseboy1> :(
[07:49] <vidd_laptop> what kind of errors?
[07:50] <cheeseboy1> all stuf to do w/ debootstrap
[07:51] <vidd_laptop> that should be ok (i think)
[07:51] <vidd_laptop> what happened when you ran the "check cd"?
[07:52] <cheeseboy1> i dint
[07:52] <cheeseboy1> nethered be errors
[07:52] <vidd_laptop> heh....
[07:53] <vidd_laptop> did the disk load to the menu screen?
[07:53] <cheeseboy1> and i have no othercds :(
[07:53] <cheeseboy1> yes
[07:53] <vidd_laptop> and you did NOT choose "check cd"?
[07:53] <cheeseboy1> yep
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> reboot and choose "check cd"
[07:54] <magic_ninja> is there a utility to convert the hex in wine debugging output to readable text
[07:54] <magic_ninja> vidd_laptop: whats up man long time no see
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> magic_ninja, not much...just got my serverbox co-located
[07:54] <vidd_laptop> www.vidd.us
[07:55] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, how long it take?
[07:55] <vidd_laptop> depends on your system
[07:56] <cheeseboy1> its old
[07:56] <cheeseboy1> p3 128mb ram
[07:56] <Merchelo> nice site
[08:00] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, you ARE running the alt cd....right?
[08:04] <cheeseboy1> yes
[08:05] <vidd_laptop> good...cuzz i dont think the live can run with that little ram
[08:06] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop,  will it be slow wen its installed?
[08:07] <vidd_laptop> no...not really
[08:07] <cheeseboy1> the cd failed check
[08:07] <cheeseboy1> wat can i do
[08:07] <cheeseboy1> ?
[08:09] <vidd_laptop> you will need to get a cd to pass the check
[08:09] <cheeseboy1> i only have 1 cd :(
[08:13] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, if i burn cd slower it be better?
[08:14] <vidd_laptop> yes...the slower the better
[08:14] <cheeseboy1> kk ill burn a 1x
[08:16] <cheeseboy1> :( has to be 4x
[08:17] <magic_ninja> we got ne wineaholics in the house
[08:17] <magic_ninja> i'm seriously stumped
[08:18] <BFTD> ?
[08:20] <magic_ninja> im getting an unhandle exception fault and Im trying to figure out what the Export ntdll or export kernel32 etc mean in the error message
[08:20] <magic_ninja> so I can determine whats causing the page fault
[08:22] <magic_ninja> mabye a program that converts the hex in the output into readable stuff
[08:23] <Chikubu> hey, im working on installing xubuntu on an older box, when i boot live cd, some of the shell isnt loading, notable the part that puts a task bar at top and bottom and part that lets you pick applications, how can i manualy start it?
[08:24] <TheSheep> Chikubu: alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[08:25] <TheSheep> Chikubu: if you have less than 192MB ram, the installation will fail, better use the alternate cd
[08:25] <Chikubu> have 192
[08:26] <magic_ninja> chikubu see if this helps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=313406
[08:26] <Chikubu> how do i start the gui? i have a desktop with icons but no task bar or application selection
[08:26] <magic_ninja> its for ubuntu but will work fine with xubuntu
[08:27] <TheSheep> Chikubu: alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[08:28] <magic_ninja> I have no idea why i'm banned in #winehq, i havn't talked in that channel for like a month
[08:28] <Chikubu> thats what i needed :) thnx
[08:29] <Chikubu> if its a post script printer, it should work easily in linux correcT?
[08:30] <Chikubu> mabye someone on your same isp was banned and you got included
[08:32] <Chikubu> hwy when i use gparted to delete partions, it seems to delete but puts a pendeing operation at bottom? is it working on deleting? thought it was pretty much instantaneous
[08:34] <TheSheep> Chikubu: no, any operations you perform need to be 'applied'
[08:34] <TheSheep> Chikubu: that's because they cannot be reverted
[08:34] <Chikubu> ok i see
[08:35] <Chikubu> idiot proffing :)
[08:36] <Chikubu> man this has been such a huge fight
[08:36] <Chikubu> a bad memory stick cause me so much greif ugg
[08:38] <Chikubu> well it runs slow from live cd, but runs!  im encouraged, wsant sure box was fast enough
[08:39] <vidd_laptop> because the
[08:40] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, seems to have burned ok this time :)
[08:40] <vidd_laptop> ok....
[08:40] <vidd_laptop> yeah...older machines cant read disks that are bruned at or faster then thy can read
[08:41] <vidd_laptop> if that makes sense....
[08:41] <cheeseboy1> i cleaned it too
[08:41] <cheeseboy1> was a lil dusty
[08:41] <vidd_laptop> like if you have a cdrom that only reads at 32x, and you burn a disk @ 64x, that 32 speed cdrom drive wont be able to read it
[08:42] <BFTD> hrm
[08:42] <BFTD> which is why I burn everything at 4
[08:42] <vidd_laptop> me too BFTD
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> never know when i want to stick my disk in any old piece
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> =]
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> that sounded perverted
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> brb
[08:46] <Chikubu> well the cd is still blinking, thats a good sign
[08:48] <aroo> I have my wifi card working perfectly with ndiswrapper, but I have to set it all up each time at boot, is there anyway to get it to work on boot?
[08:49] <Chikubu> i dont know enuff about linux to help sorry, but seems you could put it in startup with command line options
[08:50] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, still error but theresl ess
[08:50] <cheeseboy1> less
[08:50] <cheeseboy1> *
[08:52] <vidd_laptop> im back
[08:53] <vidd_laptop> what error ou get?
[08:54] <cheeseboy1> somtin wascorrupt
[08:54] <Chikubu> the install option from live cd, does it compile something, its taking forever, even on this turtle
[08:54] <Chikubu> that turtle anyway
[08:54] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, how old is the box?
[08:56] <Jester45> Chikubu, no compileing
[08:56] <Chikubu> hmm wonder what its doing
[08:56] <Chikubu> the cd is still blinking, but system is so sluggish mouse takes minute to move
[08:56] <Jester45> how much ram does the machine have
[08:56] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, a coupleyears
[08:56] <Chikubu> 192
[08:56] <Chikubu> but its a 486
[08:57] <Jester45> get vidd_laptop im back
[08:57] <cheeseboy1> came out around 2000 i think
[08:57] <Jester45> well thats why with 192 it barely has the ram to run the live cd
[08:57] <Chikubu> ok, i dont mind it taking along time, as long is its not dead
[08:58] <Jester45> cheeseboy1, if anything get the installer to format the disc and then you will have swap space and that will make it faster
[08:58] <Chikubu> ack, lol i delete the swap space to the install would auto allocate what it wanted
[08:58] <Chikubu> from a previous failed attempt
[08:59] <cheeseboy1> hopefully ill get it installed
[09:25] <Chikubu> ...cd still blinking :)
[09:29] <Chikubu> okm,the screen went blank, but cd still blinking...does live cd have screen saver or power saver turned on?
[09:30] <Chikubu> nm its back, mustve been screen saver
[09:35] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, i hope ur still around when install finishes :(
[09:37] <vidd_laptop> im here
[09:40] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, base system installed ok halfway through software
[09:40] <vidd_laptop> cool
[09:49] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop,
[09:50] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, its takin forever at xubuntu docs that normal?
[09:50] <vidd_laptop> yes
[09:50] <cheeseboy1> kk
[09:57] <Chikubu> ugg i clicked the realese notes and its been 15 minutes, cd still blinking
[09:58] <Chikubu> is there a keyboard command to bring up a process list?
[09:58] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, ugh i cant get this installed:(
[09:59] <vidd_laptop> you get an error?
[09:59] <cheeseboy1> yes
[10:00] <cheeseboy1> i need network to install this
[10:00] <vidd_laptop> what error
[10:00] <cheeseboy1> corrupt file
[10:01] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, can i get internet working in a shell or somtin?
[10:01] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, yes....
[10:01] <vidd_laptop> retry install with command line only
[10:02] <cheeseboy1> kk cause then i get corrupted files from internet right?
[10:02] <vidd_laptop> well....no corrupted...but yeah
[10:03] <cheeseboy1> i wish this pc booted dvds :(
[10:04] <cheeseboy1> i have 100+ of those
[10:47] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, u there?
[10:47] <vidd_laptop> im here
[10:48] <cheeseboy1> im in command line system
[10:49] <vidd_laptop> ok....you want to run lspci
[10:49] <cheeseboy1> kk
[10:50] <vidd_laptop> find the item about your wireless network card....
[10:50] <vidd_laptop> what does it say?
[10:52] <cheeseboy1> for network:
[10:53] <cheeseboy1> broadcom corporation BCM43XG (rev 01)
[10:53] <vidd_laptop> ok...as i expected...it is a broadcom 43xx card
[10:54] <cheeseboy1> kk
[10:54] <vidd_laptop> on my downloads page, get http://www.vidd.us/downloads/bcm43xx-fwcutter_20060501-5_i386.deb
[10:55] <vidd_laptop> you will also need the the firmware....
[10:55] <cheeseboy1> where i get that?
[10:57] <vidd_laptop> ill get that
[10:58] <b52GM> hi
[10:58] <b52GM> one noob question please for enabling X distant connection true ssh i just need to change the XForward value in ssh_config ?
[10:59] <vidd_laptop> http://boredklink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o
[10:59] <b52GM> of do i need soemthing else ?
[11:03] <aroo_> How do I install custom xfce themes? Do I need to extract them somewhere special?
[11:04] <cheeseboy1> vidd_laptop, whatscommand to mount my pendrive ?
[11:04] <vidd_laptop> from the command lin...i dont know
[11:14] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, can you help cheeseboy1 mount his pen drive ?
[11:14] <vidd_laptop> he is in CLI only
[11:14] <BFTD> sweet
[11:14] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, its only temporary....
[11:15] <BFTD> oh
[11:15] <vidd_laptop> until he gets his wifi on line and downloads the desktop
[11:15] <BFTD> cheeseboy1 "ls /media"
[11:15] <BFTD> getting his card to work is no problem
[11:15] <vidd_laptop> then can you help him with that too?
[11:16] <BFTD> sure
[11:16] <vidd_laptop> cuzz i need to go home in like 10 minutes
[11:16] <vidd_laptop> i already pointed him to the fw cutter and the firmware
[11:16] <cheeseboy1> how i manually mount fat32 pendrive ??
[11:16] <BFTD> cheeseboy1 can you get internet to your comp for a few min's so that you can install the drivers for your card?
[11:16] <cheeseboy1> no
[11:17] <cheeseboy1> need pendrive
[11:17] <cheeseboy1> how i mount it?
[11:17] <vidd_laptop> BFTD, no...he has the files on his pendrive
[11:17] <BFTD> installing fwcutter will automaticly install the drivers
[11:17] <BFTD> oh
[11:17] <BFTD> dang thats like the hard way to do it but ok
[11:17] <BFTD> anyways
[11:17] <vidd_laptop> +}
[11:17] <BFTD> cheeseboy1 run this command
[11:18] <BFTD> ls /media
[11:18] <BFTD> and post what it says
[11:18] <cheeseboy1> 1  2  3  cdrom  cdrom0  samba  sdb1
[11:18] <cheeseboy1> i createdall those tho
[11:18] <BFTD> ?
[11:18] <BFTD> when?
[11:18] <cheeseboy1> i hve to mount things manually on this pc
[11:18] <BFTD> what version?
[11:18] <cheeseboy1> but i forgot how
[11:19] <cheeseboy1> ??
[11:19] <vidd_laptop> fiesty?
[11:20] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, are you running 7.04?
[11:20] <cheeseboy1> ya but server
[11:20] <BFTD> ok
[11:20] <BFTD> ls /media/sdb1
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy1, BFTD is goint to help from here....
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> l8rs
[11:21] <cheeseboy1> BFTD nothing
[11:21] <cheeseboy1> i need to mount manually
[11:21] <cheeseboy1> wats thje command?
[11:22] <BFTD> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1
[11:22] <BFTD> or
[11:22] <BFTD> sudo -a mount
[11:24] <cheeseboy1> BFTD its not sdb1 i for get which device it is
[11:24] <BFTD> oh
[11:25] <BFTD> well
[11:25] <BFTD> try sdc1 sdd1 sde1 and sdf1
[11:25] <BFTD> one of those should work
[11:26] <cheeseboy1> no
[11:27] <BFTD> ?
[11:27] <BFTD> is it plugged in?
[11:29] <cheeseboy1> yes
[11:30] <BFTD> dfc-h
[11:30] <BFTD> oops
[11:30] <BFTD> df h
[11:30] <BFTD> argh
[11:30] <BFTD> df -h
[11:31] <cheeseboy1> ???
[11:32] <TheSheep> BFTD: df only shows info about mounted devices
[11:32] <cheeseboy1> ill put files on pendrive in wwindows
[11:33] <BFTD> yeah
[11:50] <cheeseboy1> BFTD u there?
[11:58] <cheeseboy1> help ???
[12:04] <Jester45> cheeseboy1, what ya need
[12:06] <cheeseboy1> getmy wirelee card to work
[12:07] <Jester45> i dont know how to do wireless... i always found it to slow
[12:07] <vidd> cheeseboy1, where you stuck at?
[12:08] <cheeseboy1> its not working
[12:08] <cliebow> pcmcia?
[12:08] <vidd> is it all installed?
[12:08] <cheeseboy1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1071920&mode=linear
[12:08] <cheeseboy1> i did that
[12:08] <cliebow> wtch var/log/messages when you plug in..
[12:08] <cliebow> if pcmcia
[12:09] <cheeseboy1> ya pcmia
[12:10] <cheeseboy1> so wat i do ???
[12:10] <vidd> when you "sudo bcm43xx-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware ~/Desktop/wl_apsta.o" did you replace ~/Desktop/ with the path on your usb drive that had the wl_apsta.o file?
[12:11] <cheeseboy1> yes
[12:11] <vidd> did you run modprobe bcm43xx ?
[12:11] <cheeseboy1> yes
[12:11] <vidd> did you reboot?
[12:12] <cheeseboy1> yes
[12:12] <vidd> did you set up /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:12] <cheeseboy1> no
[12:13] <vidd> ah...that is why....
[12:13] <cheeseboy1> because i dont know what device name is
[12:13] <cheeseboy1> wen i do ifconfig -a only lo is listed
[12:13] <vidd> then type iwconfig
[12:14] <Jester45> i think it would be wlan0 right?
[12:14] <cheeseboy1> ony lo afgain
[12:14] <vidd> lo should not show up when you do iwconfig
[12:14] <vidd> only wireless devices should show
[12:15] <cheeseboy1> says lo no wireless extebsions
[12:15] <vidd> hrm....
[12:16] <vidd> it should be listed as eth0
[12:16] <cheeseboy1> but it isnt
[12:16] <cliebow> heck ..a bloody broadcom card
[12:17] <vidd> cheeseboy1, then follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[12:18] <aroo> What's the command to open another terminal from the default terminal?
[12:18] <vidd> use the instructions for setting up with ndiswrapper....
[12:18] <aroo> I'd use xterm but I like the default xubuntu terminal better
[12:18] <TheSheep> aroo: xfce4-terminal&
[12:19] <aroo> Thanks much
[12:19] <Catoptromancy_> could make a wireless floppy
[12:20] <vidd> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.43-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:20] <Catoptromancy_> both nids.debs and my drivers fit on floppy
[12:20] <Catoptromancy_> ndis is also on feisty CD
[12:20] <vidd> cheeseboy1, use the cd then....
[12:21] <vidd> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[12:21] <Catoptromancy_> in /pool/ something
[12:23] <cheeseboy1> ugh this is such a pain :(
[12:25] <vidd> yes it is


[02:24] <pleia2> akgraner: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1409669
[02:24] <pleia2> recent activity here, questions about our mentoring program
[03:29] <akgraner> valorie, join in...then just take the parts you want to use and apply them to KDS :-)  Forums Council was invited
[04:54] <valorie> I've joined as much as I can right now -- I do have something that might be useful
[04:55] <valorie> it's a Team Health Check
[04:55] <valorie> we haven't tested it yet, but we plan to share it with KDE teams, who can use it themselves,
[04:56] <valorie> and then maybe call the CWG in to help them with their weak bits
[04:56] <valorie> oh, has Asheesh been invited?
[04:56] <valorie> he's always full of great ideas and connections
[16:02] <nigelb> career days starting now over in #Ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat!


[00:00] <rcn-ee> "required"
[00:01] <pmathews> no luck with " find / -name manadority -maxdepth 6" either
[00:01] <pmathews> or "which manadority"
[00:02] <rcn-ee> bug: 510130 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-January/008518.html
[00:02] <rcn-ee> sillybot seems slow... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/mountall/+bug/510130
[00:02] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 510130 in linux-ec2 "ec2 instance fails to boot if registered without ramdisk" [High,Fix released]
[00:06] <pmathews> got it - you meant mandatory
[12:30] <sim_> hi. which qemu gives best results for beagleboard ubuntu-arm?
[12:30] <ogra> the one in natty
[12:31] <sim_> ok, looking...
[12:32] <sim_> would that be qemu-system-arm?
[12:34] <sim_> ogra, is it in qemu-kvm-extras.
[12:36] <ogra> that should be a transitional package, but yes, it should get you the right bits
[12:37] <sim_> any change i will get it to work by rebuild of source package from natty under maverick?
[12:38] <ogra> if you rebuild the right one, you want the qemu-linaro source package, it uses omap by default for all VMs in natty
[12:39] <sim_> ah, qemu-kvm_0.14.0~rc1+noroms-0ubuntu3.dsc no good?
[12:39] <ogra> no, look for qemu-linaro
[12:40] <sim_> found it
[12:40] <sim_> shall i configure and compile from trunk/2011.02 instead?
[12:41] <ogra> i think thats the same as what is in natty atm
[12:41] <sim_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/qemu-linaro says newer version avail
[12:43] <sim_> do you know quick tip to install builddeps, i can take package names from dsc, but there might be a better way.
[12:43] <ogra> "for packaging"
[12:44] <ogra> just sudo apt-get build-dep qemu-kvm should suffice
[12:44] <sim_> ok
[12:44] <ogra> i doubt they changed much between natty and maverick
[12:44] <sim_> indeed
[12:46] <sim_> LOL: E: Unable to find a source package for should
[13:01] <sim_> is bootloader for beagle included in qemu-linaro?
[13:07] <sim_> is ../ubuntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img an SD card  image?
[13:17] <ogra> sim_, yes, its supposed to be dd'ed to an sd and contains two partitions, the rootfs partition gets expanded to the full size of the SD on first boot
[13:19] <sim_> im puzzling on the qemu-system-arm cmdline.
[13:19] <sim_> does it load the kernel from the SD, or do i need to spec it on the cmdline?
[13:22] <ogra> i think you need to spec it on cmdline
[13:22] <ogra> but tbh i havent tried the linaro packages yet, there might be a way to just use u-boot from the image
[13:23] <sim_> u-boot resides in flash i guess, so i should build a flash image first and present to qemu on cmdline?
[13:24] <sim_> -mtdblock i think?
[13:25] <ogra> u-boot resides on the first partition of the SD card image
[13:25] <ogra> none of the boards we currently build for have flash
[13:25] <ogra> (while you can use a beagle C4 with the images its not really recomended and the XM which we test on has no flash)
[13:39] <sim_> ogra, its a casper image
[13:39] <ogra> ??
[13:40] <sim_> i unpacked ubuntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img and it looks like a bootcd
[13:40] <ogra> yes
[13:40] <sim_> ah, its a live image.
[13:40] <ogra> no
[13:40] <ogra> its a preinstalled image that expands itself to the full size of the card on first boot
[13:41] <sim_> ok
[13:41] <ogra> nothing "live" in there
[13:41] <sim_> do you know the qemu cmdline i should use to boot it?
[13:41] <ogra> no, sorry, check the linaro documentation
[13:41] <ogra> they likely have info on their wiki
[13:42] <sim_> ok thanks.
[13:59] <sim_> ogra, is there nand emulation in qemu?
[14:00] <ogra> no idea, might be for some ancient machines
[14:01] <sim_> beagleboard has NAND
[15:01] <brendand_> hi
[15:01] <brendand_> i have a beagleboard C4 which i'd like to use for some tinkering around
[15:02] <brendand_> it appears to be configured so that it 'autoboots' after some timeout if i don't press a key
[15:02] <brendand_> using minicom i can't seem to send a keypress such that it cancels the autoboot
[15:02] <brendand_> so it's kind of useless fo me at the moment
[15:02] <brendand_> is there anything unusual i need to do to send keypresses over serial?
[15:03] <brendand_> input is coming over just fine it seems
[15:04] <rcn-ee> brendand_, is this a fresh install that you did, or did someone else set it up for you?
[15:04] <brendand_> well, i'd say i got it from someone else, but that would be lying
[15:04] <brendand_> i actually used to do some stuff on it with Windows
[15:05] <brendand_> and hyperterminal worked fine for sending keystrokes
[15:05] <rcn-ee> okay, well the 'autoboot's' is not normal.. so either some configured it do that.. or... ;)
[15:05] <brendand_> i did
[15:05] <brendand_> :P
[15:05] <brendand_> yes - i got myself in this situation...
[15:05] <brendand_> embarrasing
[15:05] <rcn-ee> so undo it?
[15:05] <rcn-ee> if you don't remember what you did, just reinstall it a base os and start again..
[15:06] <brendand_> that would be one way. wouldn't i still need to be able to send keystrokes to do anything with u-boot?
[15:06] <rcn-ee> ah.. u-boot's autoboot..
[15:06] <rcn-ee> so you don't want it to autoboot, but stay in u-boot?
[15:06] <brendand_> yeees
[15:06] <brendand_> well. i think i do
[15:07] <brendand_> certainly i'd like to be able to interact with u-boot in some way
[15:08] <rcn-ee> well... in u-boot, type printenv... you'll see the whole enviroment scripts including the autoboot stuff..
[15:09] <rcn-ee> but your on your own..i just use u-boot as a bootloader, nothing else..
[15:09] <brendand_> http://pastebin.com/GHZayL8m
[15:10] <brendand_> at line 13 i'm just hammering keys and it counts down from 3
[15:10] <brendand_> ah
[15:10] <rcn-ee> thru the serial terminal?
[15:10] <brendand_> yeah
[15:11] <rcn-ee> has it worked before?
[15:11] <brendand_> in windows
[15:11] <rcn-ee> ah.. dump minicom... use gtkterm..
[15:12] <brendand_> will do
[15:12] <brendand_> have also tried putty and screen, with no success. let's see how this works
[16:36] <Neko> ogra, there? anyone else who knows how linux-fsl-imx51 worked and why there is a seperate debian.fsl-imx51 directory?
[17:00] <ogra> Neko, no idea and imx51 is removed from the archive since quite some time, fo rthe subdir talk to the kernel team during workhours, if you want to use imx51 today, use the linaro kernel
[17:10] <ogra> (though the linaro flavour is called differently)
[20:46] <Neko> ogra, it's for our kernel...
[20:47] <Neko> because we use make-kpkg we have no .dsc and therefore don't get any virtual packages for linux-image-efikamx for now
[20:48] <Neko> I don't care about fsl-imx51 but I do care that it is the only reference for this arch in ubuntu that has a debian directory that "works" for us.. seems the scripts were updated for 2.6.35+ and they don't build .31 kernels anymore. we're not spending the time to port to .35 just to fix a package error :D
[20:48] <Neko> (there are other reasons pressuring that but not packaging :)


[00:55] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: depends on where its happening
[00:55] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: where is it happening
[01:01] <EdWyse_Office> on a commit
[01:01] <lifeless> there are two likely possibilities
[01:02] <spiv> Good morning.
[01:02] <lifeless> a) your dirstate is already damaged, so we need to replace it.
[01:02] <lifeless> b) you've found a new bug: congratulations.
[01:02] <lifeless> EdWyse_Office: what bzr version do you have?
[01:02] <EdWyse_Office> Not sure if that's entirely what you're asking for, but my user made a bunch of changes, and when she commits, there's a huge error message that's all about inconsitent delta.
[01:02] <EdWyse_Office> hehe
[01:02] <EdWyse_Office> thanks
[01:03] <EdWyse_Office> 2.0.3
[01:03] <lifeless> I *think* that has the various fixes in it. Did you start with that version, or has your user been using bzr for a bit ?
[01:04] <EdWyse_Office> This user has been using this version since the start.
[01:06] <lifeless> ok
[01:07] <lifeless> uhm
[01:07] <EdWyse_Office> I'm leaning toward bug now... I've committed directories one-at-a-time and am succeeding (so far).
[01:07] <lifeless> if we can get a copy of the dirstate and the commit command that was failing, that would help use determine the bug
[01:07] <EdWyse_Office> I hate windows. (ugh)
[01:07] <lifeless> this would disclose file paths to the devs, but not file content.
[01:08] <EdWyse_Office> There's nothing you couldn't see by visiting our web site anyway.. hehe.
[01:09] <EdWyse_Office> well that's much better. I got it down to one file causing the problem.
[01:12] <EdWyse_Office> So you're asking for .bzr/branch-lock/dirstate, correct?
[01:12] <lifeless> .bzr/checkout/dirstate
[01:13] <EdWyse_Office> oops, yeah, that's what I meant. :D
[01:17] <EdWyse_Office> Ah, I see... so if the file in question isn't even in dirstate, that might be my problem.
[01:22] <lifeless> well
[01:22] <lifeless> you are getting an error that is opaque
[01:22] <lifeless> so we should fix it
[01:22] <lifeless> dirstate + the command that fails + a 'bzr st' -> enough data for an engineer to fix, I think.
[01:28] <lifeless> hi spiv
[01:42] <spiv> Hey lifeless.
[01:52] <chadrik> hi all, i've got a couple of quick questions about bzr. anyone here want to field them?
[02:02] <spm> chadrik: your best bet is to just ask them. if someone is willing and able to answer they will.
[02:07] <chadrik> i need to version control some very large files. git's loose object store is very well suited to this purpose, but i would really prefer a user-friendly dcvs written in python
[02:08] <mkanat> It's amazing how three people have come and asked that question today.
[02:08] <chadrik> mercurial is just too slow and wasteful with large files: renames cause duplicate data (and time associated with this), and delta compression wastes time.
[02:09] <chadrik> haha
[02:09] <mkanat> chadrik: bzr is also currently rather wasteful, last time I checked.
[02:09] <chadrik> so, i come to bzr with the hopes of finding a middle ground
[02:09] <mkanat> chadrik: It's something that should hopefully be improved in the future.
[02:10] <mkanat> chadrik: The problem that I know about right now is that bzr uses RAM in an amount somewhere between 3x and 6x the size of the largest file it deals with.
[02:11] <chadrik> hg has similar problems.
[02:11] <mkanat> I think lifeless or jam was talking about doing something about it. Or maybe it was somebody else; I forget.
[02:11] <chadrik> in reading through the docs, it seems that bzr is designed in such a way that it is possible to add new storage formats
[02:12] <chadrik> i imagine this is quite a bit of work
[02:12] <spiv> It is.
[02:13] <spiv> There's a bug about the excessive memory consumption when dealing with large files.
[02:13] <chadrik> but it is designed to be able to use different models? is this correct?
[02:13] <chadrik> so it would be feasible to implement a model designed specifically to handle large files?
[02:14] <spiv> The short answer is we know how to fix it, but it's a fair bit of work and not a priority for Canonical staff at the moment (our priority is making bzr handle source code really really well).
[02:14] <spiv> Definitely; see the bug for some discussion.
[02:14] <chadrik> for me, the memory thing is only part of the problem.
[02:15] <spiv> (I think it would be feasible to implement a format that copes well with large files with no significant penalty for smaller files)
[02:15] <chadrik> 90% of what i need to version control are large binary files, many over 1GB
[02:16] <chadrik> before i go further with this, let me ask a couple of basic questions
[02:16] <chadrik> does bzr currently use deltas for large files?
[02:17] <chadrik> spiv: where can i find the bug?
[02:27] <chadrik> my hope is to create a storage format like git's loose object store, but where the file/blob data is left completely unchanged. blobs in the store will be read-only, such that they can safely be hard linked or symbolically linked into the working directory
[02:36] <rubbs> chadrik: IIRC this is the bug you're looking for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/109114
[02:36] <chadrik> rubbs: thanks
[02:37] <rubbs> np, it could be wrong, but I think that is the onw spiv was talking about
[02:39] <chadrik> looking now. def looks like the one
[02:40] <rubbs> It's been a while since I've been involved with bzr as a project. Work and other pressing projects have taken my time, so I'm more or less out of touch.
[02:40] <rubbs> I lurk here so I don't get left too far behind ;)
[02:41] <chadrik> i've come to realize that what i need is just too specific to expect to find it natively in a dcvs.
[02:41] <chadrik> i guess i'll look into what is necessary to implement a new storage model
[02:43] <rubbs> AFAIK it's pretty hard, but it might be worth trying. The devs here would help you out I think. It could be useful for other too.
[02:44] <chadrik> have you heard of dulwich?  it's a pure-python implementation of the git object model
[02:45] <chadrik> my goal would be to use it to drive the new storage model
[02:46] <lifeless> git has the same problem chadrik
[02:46] <lifeless> bzr's core is plenty sufficient to implement sharding of large files on
[02:47] <chadrik> lifeless: do you mean the memory consumption?
[02:47] <lifeless> yes
[02:48] <chadrik> my use case is pretty specific since i will be working almost entirely with non-mergable binary files
[02:49] <chadrik> effectively, i'll just be copying files into the store. i'll just need to read them in order to generate a hash
[02:49] <chadrik> merging is simply a matter of choosing A or B
[02:49] <chadrik> once the files are in the store they are made read-only.  then they can be symlinked or hard linked into the working copy
[02:51] <chadrik> specifically, my use case is this: provide many users read-only access to large binary files on a local file system
[04:43] <lifeless> poolie: ring whenever
[05:33] <cpsmusic> Hi
[05:33] <cpsmusic> I'm new to Bazaar
[05:33] <cpsmusic> But I've worked with SVN
[05:33] <cpsmusic> I have a question
[05:33] <cpsmusic> I've setup up a branch of a project on Launchpad
[05:34] <cpsmusic> But I can't figure out how to check it out
[05:34] <cpsmusic> I keep getting an error msg saying
[05:34] <cpsmusic> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch:
[05:34] <parthm> cpsmusic: what is the command you are using?
[05:35] <cpsmusic> the branch is at
[05:35] <cpsmusic> lp:~cpsmusic/pencil/audio
[05:35] <cpsmusic> I've tried
[05:35] <cpsmusic> bzr branch lp:~cpsmusic/pencil/audio
[05:35] <cpsmusic> also
[05:35] <cpsmusic> bzr checkout lp:~cpsmusic/pencil/audio
[05:36] <parthm> cpsmusic: the branch page ( https://code.launchpad.net/~cpsmusic/pencil/audio ) says "This branch has not been pushed to yet."
[05:37] <cpsmusic> yep I saw that
[05:37] <cpsmusic> what does it mean
[05:37] <parthm> looks like you created the branch with the webui (?). you will need to push it up.
[05:37] <cpsmusic> i thought pushing was like committing changes
[05:37] <cpsmusic> ah
[05:37] <parthm> if its new content, you should be able to bzr init; and bzr push lp:~cpsmusic/pencil/audio
[05:38] <spiv> cpsmusic: how did you create the branch on Launchpad?  Typically if you are starting a project you just "bzr init" a directory locally, make and commit some changes, then you "bzr push" to publish that branch to somewhere like launchpad.
[05:38] <cpsmusic> it's a branch of project that's already on Launchpad
[05:38] <cpsmusic> I used the web pages
[05:39] <spiv> Ok, if you want to make a branch of an existing project, it's just "bzr branch $existing_branch" to your local system, and when you have changes locally you want to publish, "bzr push" them somewehre
[05:39] <cpsmusic> I used "Register a branch" on Pencil's Code page
[05:40] <cpsmusic> Ah, I see
[05:40] <cpsmusic> I thought that once I made the branch I'd have to checkout from it.
[05:43] <spiv> The "Register a branch" link is an attractive nuisance for branches you are making yourself :(
[05:46] <spiv> You don't need to register it in advance at all, you can just push to create the branch on Launchpad.
[05:47] <maco> git user?
[05:47] <spiv> SVN, apparently.
[05:47] <spiv> Are you thinking it's confusing vs. how github operates?
[05:48] <maco> well i remember keybuk getting all upset about how git's hard to use because you have to *do things* on the remote server before pushing, unlike bzr
[05:50] <spiv> Ah right.
[05:51] <cpsmusic> the thing I found confusing was that once "Registered a branch" I thought there would be a complete branch
[05:51] <cpsmusic> It's actually just a placeholder until the first lot of code is pushed into it - is that right?
[05:52] <lifeless> yes, don't use it in fact,.
[05:52] <lifeless> its something we want to delete
[05:53] <parthm> cpsmusic: i never use the "register a branch" feature. to branch from existing project, I tend to use 'bzr branch lp:proj && hack && bzr push lp:~username/proj/branch-name'
[05:54] <cpsmusic> I'm new to Launchpad and Bazaar - it was the first thing I saw
[05:54] <cpsmusic> and I was told to make a branch there by one of Pencil's devs
[05:54] <lifeless> yeah
[05:54] <lifeless> its confusing
[05:54] <lifeless> thats why we want ot remove it ;)
[05:54] <parthm> i was going through the large file mail on the mailing list and decided to do a 'bzr mv' experiment with a 100MB file. http://pastebin.com/G5vqByFM
[05:55] <parthm> i was surprised to find that the mv increases the space used by the file size. is this expected? i was under the impression that files moved are meta data.
[05:56] <parthm> ^ s/space used/size of .bzr/
[05:57] <lifeless> parthm: ?
[05:57] <parthm> lifeless: hi
[05:59] <parthm> lifeless: i was just wondering why the space usage goes up. i know bzr as first-class support for files so i thought mv would probably be some meta-data update. is that not the case?
[05:59] <lifeless> what do you mean by space usage goes up
[05:59] <fullermd> Don't commits just always store fulltexts of every file touched?
[05:59] <lifeless> fullermd: yes, because snapshot based.
[05:59] <maco> should just store a diff
[05:59] <spiv> lifeless: see his paste; 'du -hs .bzr' goes up
[06:00] <lifeless> oh
[06:00] <lifeless> parthm: do a bzr pack
[06:00] <parthm> lifeless: for a 100mb file the mv makes .bzr go from 100mb to 200mb
[06:00] <fullermd> Yes, but I mean physically storing fulltexts, not delta compressed 'till pack.
[06:00] <lifeless> fullermd: yes, exactly.
[06:00] <parthm> the file doesn't compress as its /dev/urandom data.
[06:00] <lifeless> parthm: every time a file changes we store the file under (fileid, revisionid) in our tuple space.
[06:00]  * parthm runs pack command.
[06:01] <parthm> lifeless: i haven't changed the file. its just a mv. http://pastebin.com/G5vqByFM
[06:01] <spiv> lifeless: where "changes" includes metadata changes, I presume?
[06:01] <lifeless> yes
[06:02] <lifeless> spiv: a refactoring I considered, but deferred in the 2a work was to separate 'inode data' and 'content data'
[06:02] <parthm> lifeless: neat. pack brings the size down to 101MB again http://pastebin.com/2Gv4NFHh
[06:02] <lifeless> spiv: which would have made a mv an inode-data only change, and not stored a text at all; the per file graph would be more capable there etc
[06:04] <parthm> lifeless: thanks
[06:05] <lifeless> hmm
[06:06] <lifeless> spiv: do 'bzr help other-formats' for me
[06:06] <lifeless> spiv: what do you see?
[06:06]  * lifeless hates regressions
[06:06] <spiv> lifeless: no formats
[06:07] <spiv> Which does indeed sound like a regression.
[06:07] <parthm> spiv, lifeless: so should the .bzr size not be going up in the first place?
[06:08] <spiv> lifeless: separating out the inode data does sound attractive.  Why was that deferred, just lack of tuits?
[06:08] <lifeless> spiv: yeah
[06:08] <spiv> Yeah, I'm not surprised :)
[06:08] <lifeless> spiv: which was accurately judged in hindsight.
[06:08] <spiv> Agreed :)
[06:08] <lifeless> parthm: it should because you changed the inventory entry for the file. And that means it stores a copy of the file.
[06:09] <lifeless> parthm: then, when you pack they are identical and it just references a single compressed version
[06:09] <parthm> lifeless: ok. that makes sense. i was wonder what regression you were referring to.
[06:10] <lifeless> parthm: 'bzr help other-formats' should list rich-root-packs and other things like that
[06:11] <parthm> lifeless: oh. ok.
[06:12] <parthm> separate inode-data and content-data would have been really cool.
[07:43] <vila> hi all
[07:43] <vila> parthm: where are you  ?
[08:02] <swathanthran> bzr documentation site is down?
[08:02] <lifeless> shouldn't be
[08:04] <swathanthran> oh ok, pdnsd was down here
[09:27] <detritux> hi. I have a problem: I just pulled my branch from launchpad and all my files are not writable (even if I do a chmod +w on them)
[09:28] <detritux> -rw-r--r--  1 ugo ugo 2426 2010-07-09 08:57 CMakeLists.txt
[09:28] <detritux> chmod +w CMakeLists.txt
[09:28] <detritux> -rw-r--r--  1 ugo ugo 2426 2010-07-09 08:57 CMakeLists.txt
[09:28] <detritux> any idea?
[09:28] <mwhudson> well, that's writeable by you now
[09:28] <mwhudson> but not by people only in the 'ugo' group or random others
[09:29] <mwhudson> this seems mostly sane...
[09:30] <detritux> it's writeable by root only
[09:50] <detritux> my bad... it's my emacs that's acting crazy: I have the correct permissions, but I can't edit it with emacs... have to look into that
[09:51] <detritux> cheers
[09:55] <vila> detritux: smells like a backup directory owned by root which forbids emacs to create backups, oh wait, you're not here aymore to read that :-/
[09:56] <vila> I so love people asking questions in write-only mode :)
[09:56] <mwhudson> yay
[11:22] <Kennef> hi
[11:29] <Kennef> I have a problem installing bzr, could someone help me ?
[11:30] <Kennef> I install it correctly on my Ubuntu
[11:30] <Kennef> and then when I launch it, it segfaults
[11:30] <Kennef> I have absolutely no idea of what the problem could come from
[12:50] <Kennef> nobody ?
[12:57] <maxb> You have not given much information - people would need to know 1) exactly how you installed it, and 2) exactly how it's crashing, to have a reasonable chance of starting a diagnosis
[13:01] <Kennef> ok sorry for that
[13:02] <Kennef> I installed it by adding the ppa to my system (add-apt-repository ppa:bzr/ppa), and then sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude install bzr-explorer
[13:02] <maxb> The best way to attract help on IRC is to make it easy for people glancing at the channel to quickly decide whether helping you lies within their skill set :-)
[13:04] <Kennef> and the crash has nothing special, I just "bzr-explorer" in my shell and it answers me "segmentation fault"
[13:04] <Kennef> :/
[13:04] <Kennef> (being right back, my boss pays me meal)
[13:04] <maxb> I am unfamiliar with bzr-explorer, try checking whether plain bzr works
[13:43] <spiv> Kennef: that's pretty strange, please file a bug with those details.  My best guess from the info so far is something mismatch with the python-qt bindings.
[13:58] <Kennef> maxb: with my shell, bzr works perfectly, I can pull / push / branch without any problem. I will use that mean to work while I'm trying to find where the problem comes from
[13:58] <Kennef> spiv: I will do that, thank you for the advice
[16:34] <thrope> how do I get my working tree to be at an earlier revision?
[16:34] <thrope> bzr checkout -r 423 gives an error file exists
[16:35] <parthm> thrope: bzr update -r
[16:36] <thrope> cool thanks
[16:36] <parthm> jam: ping
[16:36] <thrope> any loggerhead folks here? commit 424 breaks support for python2.4 (uses defaultdict)
[16:37] <thrope> not sure if you're planning to support python2.4 but as its still default on centos (as far as I know) I'd vote to keep it
[16:38] <parthm> thrope: bzr supports 2.4 so i would assume loggerhead would support it too.
[16:39] <thrope> ill file a bug then
[16:44] <jam> hey parthm
[16:45] <parthm> jam: hi
[16:46] <parthm> jam: i was able to reproduce bug #603461 ... its python2.5 specific. i will look into fixing it.
[16:46] <jam> parthm: thanks
[16:46] <jam> also, we should watch out for the "unprintable" exception
[16:46] <jam> We might want to use "assertNotContainsRe"
[16:46] <jam> as we want to make sure the exception can be printed
[16:46] <parthm> jam: ok.
[16:47] <jam> parthm: are you working on that now?
[16:47] <jam> I would like to get it into the 2.2b4 code if possible
[16:47] <jam> which I want to release today
[16:48] <parthm> jam: regarding bt.test_errors, is that only for format check? i am wondering if the test case should import re and check assertion or just raise InvalidPattern("message") and check formatting
[16:48] <parthm> jam: yes. i can look into it now. i don't think it will be a big fix.
[16:49] <jam> thrope: so there was a brief discussion about this, but we now also depend on sqlite directly, which is bundled with python2.5+
[16:49] <jam> so if someone wants to put in the effort for 2.4 compat, we would probably take it
[16:49] <jam> but it isn't a strict focus like it is for bzr
[16:49] <jam> parthm: test_errors is generally just formatting tests
[16:49] <jam> fairly low-level testing
[16:50] <jam> it catches stuff like parameters that aren't passed correctly, etc
[16:50] <parthm> jam: sounds fine. i will add that also.
[16:50] <parthm> jam: ok.
[16:54] <thrope> jam: fair enough - have to look at upgrading python then... th
[17:03] <parthm> jam: hmm. is there something special about the name "message" for the argument? changing this to "msg" fixes it in 2.5. python exception handling is the same so that wasn't the issue.
[17:09] <parthm> ah. well. there is a comment in errors.py "'msg' is used instead of 'message' because python evolved and, in 2.6, forbids the use of 'message'."
[17:18] <bigjools> hi all - can you make bzr reveal the location of the uncommitted branch you've merged?
[17:28] <jam> parthm: there is something special about message
[17:29] <jam> but I see you found that ):
[17:29] <jam> :)
[17:29] <jam> bigjools: 'uncommitted branch you merged" ?
[17:29] <jam> the location you just merged from?
[17:29] <bigjools> jam: yes
[17:30] <bigjools> so in a shared account, I can see where someone merged from if there's uncommitted changes
[17:35] <jam> bigjools: generally not that I'm aware of
[17:35] <jam> you can see the revs, but not the URL
[17:35] <bigjools> ok - I'll file a bug, cheers
[17:41] <parthm> jam: https://code.launchpad.net/~parthm/bzr/603461-invalidpattern-python25/+merge/29587 .. i have tested it with Python 2.5
[17:42] <parthm> i am assuming 2.6.2 works but I don't have that installed to try it.
[19:11] <parthm> looks like the mp is merged. its late here. got to go ... bye.