[12:59] <SuperMike> Hello
[12:59] <SuperMike> I am shopping for a video capture card are there any HD affordable cards out there?
[01:00] <tgm4883_> whats affordable
[01:00] <majoridiot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list
[01:01] <majoridiot> there is a good list to start from
[01:45] <tgm4883_> is there anything that would make a single channel unstable over firewire?
[01:46] <majoridiot> bad signal quality
[01:46] <majoridiot> i have a problem from time to time with individual channels
[01:46] <majoridiot> tvland is a known culprit
[01:46] <tgm4883_> hmm
[01:47] <tgm4883_> hbo west will do it every time to me
[01:47] <majoridiot> look at the backend log for codec and stream errors
[01:47] <majoridiot> "do it" meaning?  refuse to display, crap out during...?
[01:47] <tgm4883_> i get almost nothing in my backend log
[01:47] <tgm4883_> the only thing i ever get is pertaining to my priming
[01:48] <majoridiot> hm.
[01:48] <majoridiot> something not right there.
[01:48] <tgm4883_> i do see something, but its not in the logs
[01:48] <majoridiot> you should get all important info.
[01:48] <tgm4883_> if i start the backend from the command line wouldn't i see errors and such?
[01:49] <tgm4883_> i saw sync errors when it died last time, im trying to replicate
[01:49] <majoridiot> yes... if started directly.
[01:49] <majoridiot> synch errors and pacet stream errors will bork things
[01:50] <tgm4883_> and what happens is when i switch to 551 (hbo west) it brings me back to the front end and says there was a problem displaying the video
[01:50] <majoridiot> sometimes you can slide thru with packet errors, synch errors generally grind to a halt
[01:50] <majoridiot> yes.  definite stream errors then.
[01:50] <majoridiot> that chan is clear, correct?
[01:50] <tgm4883_> yea
[01:51] <majoridiot> stream errors then
[01:55] <majoridiot> try starting it by manually with:
[01:56] <majoridiot> mythbackend -v playback 2>&1 > ~/Desktop/errortest.log &
[01:58] <majoridiot> that will direct playback errors to a logfile and route all errors and the playback errors to that terminal as well
[01:58] <majoridiot> (should help you isolate the stream error)
[01:59] <tgm4883_> i had to sudo it and do it to just /errortest.log as i have to desktop
[02:00] <majoridiot> you had to sudo mythbackend?
[02:00] <tgm4883_> yea
[02:00] <majoridiot> hm.
[02:00] <tgm4883_> hold on
[02:00] <tgm4883_> il paste it
[02:01] <tgm4883_> thomas@athena:~$ mythbackend -v playback 2>&1 > ~/errortest.log &
[02:01] <tgm4883_> [1]  5936
[02:01] <tgm4883_> thomas@athena:~$ Starting up as the master server.
[02:01] <tgm4883_> /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied
[02:01] <tgm4883_> Unable to open lockfile!
[02:01] <tgm4883_> Be sure that '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings' exists and that both
[02:01] <tgm4883_> the directory and that file are writeable by this user.
[02:01] <majoridiot> what is your
[02:01] <majoridiot> ls -l /usr/bin/mythbackend
[02:02] <tgm4883_> thomas@athena:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/mythbackend
[02:02] <tgm4883_> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-12 18:48 /usr/bin/mythbackend
[02:03] <majoridiot> hm. k.
[02:03] <majoridiot> it's ok.
[02:03] <majoridiot> are you getting good error reporting in the logfile?
[02:04] <majoridiot> you can use other options with the -v option.  -v all will show ALL available output
[02:05] <tgm4883_> im getting more, i wouldn't say its better
[02:05] <majoridiot> which is great insight into how the whole package works, if you are ever interested
[02:05] <majoridiot> try it with -v all then
[02:06] <majoridiot> by default, it is supposed to be -v important, which shows all error messages
[02:18] <tgm4883_> arg
[02:18] <tgm4883_> it would help if i could switch to the firewire
[02:18] <majoridiot> ?
[02:18] <tgm4883_> idk,
[02:18] <tgm4883_> it just wont switch
[02:19] <tgm4883_> in live tv
[02:19] <majoridiot> stop the backend and set it to start on a known good channel
[02:19] <majoridiot> then it should switch
[02:19] <tgm4883_> ah
[02:19] <tgm4883_> i see why
[02:19] <tgm4883_> dang schedules
[02:20] <majoridiot> LOL recording is it?
[02:20] <tgm4883_> yea
[02:20] <tgm4883_> although it didn't tell me that
[02:20] <tgm4883_> i had to look in the backend status of mythweb
[02:26] <SuperMike> Majoridiot, what card do you recommend?
[02:27] <majoridiot> i can't, SuperMike- i only do DH over firewire
[02:27] <majoridiot> maybe tgm4883 can help
[02:27] <tgm4883_> i like the pcHDTV 5500
[02:27] <majoridiot> if not, try to catch superm1 and talk to him
[02:27] <SuperMike> What capture device do you recommend then?  I want to record my Xbox  360.
[02:28] <tgm4883_> are you trying to record your 360 over component?
[02:28] <SuperMike> I believe 360 in HD only comes with component.
[02:28] <tgm4883_> component capture cards are about $1000
[02:28] <SuperMike> What!
[02:29] <tgm4883_> yea
[02:29] <tgm4883_> i know
[02:29] <SuperMike> what resolution?  720p or 1080p?
[02:29] <tgm4883_> ?
[02:29] <tgm4883_> what do you mean
[02:29] <tgm4883_> i dont know if there are vga capture cards, but you could check and see
[02:30] <SuperMike> TV comes in at different resolution.   480p 720p  1080i 1080p
[02:30] <tgm4883_> yea
[02:30] <SuperMike> So what is the capture cards highest video  mode that it can capture?
[02:30] <majoridiot> what video out options from the 360 do you have?  connection-wise
[02:31] <SuperMike> Component
[02:31] <SuperMike> New Xbox 360 will have HDMI
[02:31] <majoridiot> no other SD out?
[02:31] <tgm4883_> there isn't a hdmi capture card for linux
[02:31] <majoridiot> or do you want to record only native hd dtreams?
[02:31] <tgm4883_> there is one for windows
[02:31] <tgm4883_> but no linux support
[02:31] <SuperMike> Any capture cards support component?
[02:32] <tgm4883_> let me find you one, but they are expensive
[02:33] <SuperMike> Would I have to get a Component to something adapater?
[02:34] <tgm4883_> im not sure if they make an adapter for what you need
[02:35] <SuperMike> What is this? http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/
[02:35] <tgm4883_> you would need an adapter that would make it either RG6
[02:35] <tgm4883_> that has no linux support
[02:35] <SuperMike> damn
[02:35] <tgm4883_> isn't it funny i know exactly what that is without visiting the page
[02:35] <SuperMike> Okay what are the High Def cards that are supported in linux?
[02:36] <tgm4883_> or a component to firewire adapter
[02:36] <tgm4883_> although i dont know if either exist
[02:36] <tgm4883_> i like the pcHDTV 5500
[02:36] <SuperMike> what do you like pcHDTV?
[02:36] <tgm4883_> it has full linux support (it was developed for linux) and they are working on getting windows support
[02:37] <SuperMike> what interface is it?   RGB cables?
[02:37] <tgm4883_> i like it cause it was developed for linux, and works with mythtv *almost* out of the box
[02:37] <tgm4883_> for HD its RG6
[02:37] <tgm4883_> as most capture cards are
[02:37] <majoridiot> the *almost* was just an oversight
[02:37] <tgm4883_> yea
[02:37] <SuperMike> What do you mean by HD?
[02:37] <tgm4883_> high def
[02:38] <tgm4883_> it also has svideo inputs and composite
[02:38] <SuperMike> What high def resolution?
[02:39] <SuperMike> What is it max res?
[02:40] <tgm4883_> http://www.pchdtv.com/
[02:40] <SuperMike> Already, there. It dont say.
[02:41] <SuperMike> All it say is, he pcHDTVTM Hi Definition Television Card
[02:41] <tgm4883_> i noticed
[02:41] <tgm4883_> but im not sure if were thinking about this the right way
[02:42] <tgm4883_> as im not sure for capturing it matters, it is the graphics card that has to display it
[02:42] <SuperMike> I want to record video, so i wanna know what will my video resolution be?  320x240   640x480    720x576    1280x720
[02:43] <majoridiot> $100 out the door
[02:43] <tgm4883_> but if your using a component to svideo adapter your only getting svideo quality
[02:44] <tgm4883_> if you do that, you should get the svideo cables for the 360
[02:44] <majoridiot> right
[02:44] <tgm4883_> they need a firewire cables for the 360
[02:44] <majoridiot> that would be nice
[02:45] <majoridiot> but it'll never happen
[02:45] <SuperMike> Xbox 360 has AV cables but then you have to play the xbox at non high def mode. I want to splice the connection.  Play the game and record on computer.  Then come back to computer and edit video.
[02:45] <majoridiot> firewire gives you direct bus access... to easy to use as hack entrance
[02:45] <majoridiot> direct DMA access
[02:45] <tgm4883_> you might want to look at an external type device
[02:46] <tgm4883_> I dont think your getting that HD onto the computer, not cheaply anyway
[02:46] <majoridiot> not at an affordable price
[02:46] <tgm4883_> there has always been a lot of discussion on this exact topic
[02:46] <tgm4883_> on http://www.videohelp.com
[02:46] <SuperMike> Okay, well I really want to buy a card. I am so sick of reading unless forums.  I just want something that works out of the box with Linux.
[02:47] <SuperMike> *endless
[02:47] <tgm4883_> well there isn't an easy way to do what you want to do
[02:47] <tgm4883_> thats why there are endless forums
[02:47] <SuperMike> Are you guys going to be on later? I am getting pried away from the keyboard to head over to our BBQ party.
[02:48] <tgm4883_> when you say splice?
[02:48] <tgm4883_> do you actually mean cutting into the cable
[02:48] <tgm4883_> and making two heads
[02:48] <SuperMike> Hey, got to run? You going to be on later tongiht?
[02:48] <tgm4883_> perhaps
[02:49] <SuperMike> k
[02:49] <tgm4883_> not sure
[02:49] <SuperMike> I am goign to message you when I get back
[02:58] <rogue780|laptop> hey superm1
[03:04] <majoridiot> hey rogue780...
[03:05] <majoridiot> superm1 was looking for you the other night
[03:12] <rogue780|laptop> I was looking for him too
[03:12] <rogue780|laptop> I need to just give him my e-mail address
[03:18] <rogue780|laptop> anyway, I have a usplash theme made, but no thinking I made it on my dapper box...so I need to remake it for feisty. shouldn't take too awfully long I don't think
[03:19] <majoridiot> :)
[03:22] <tgm4883_> how do you change a networking device from eth1 to eth0?
[03:23] <majoridiot> rogue780|laptop i can get superm1 your email if you would like
[03:24] <majoridiot> i know he wants to talk to you
[03:24] <rogue780|laptop> I replied to your pm with it...didn't you get it?
[03:24] <majoridiot> hm. nope.
[03:24] <majoridiot> email it to ubuntuidiot at gmail
[03:24] <majoridiot> and i'll forward that to him
[03:25] <rogue780|laptop> tgm4883_, the actual device? or the reference in the interfaces folder? you might actually be able to make a symbolic link to it or whatnot...not 100% sure
[03:25] <tgm4883_> i guess the reference
[03:25] <tgm4883_> i had 2 devices
[03:25] <tgm4883_> and removed the eth0 device
[03:26] <tgm4883_> now i have no networking in windows 2000
[03:26] <tgm4883_> (Via vmplayer)
[03:26] <tgm4883_> as it only knows about eth0
[03:26] <rogue780|laptop> in your .vmx file change the eth0 to eth1 (that used to work anyway)
[03:26] <tgm4883_> can i just vim that?
[03:27] <rogue780|laptop> majoridiot, check your e-mail
[03:27] <majoridiot> got it
[03:27] <rogue780|laptop> tgm4883_, personally I'd nano it, bit vim should work just as well
[03:28] <majoridiot> k... i forwarded it to him :)
[03:28] <tgm4883_> i just opened it in gedit just to look and thats not listed in there, there are a few other things
[03:29] <tgm4883_> that sort of look like ith
[03:29] <tgm4883_> alot of "ethernet0.present = true"
[03:29] <majoridiot> now pls excuse me whilst i focus on some steak for a few... ;)
[03:29] <tgm4883_> stuff like that
[03:29] <tgm4883_> brb gotta pick up a pizza (back in 5)
[03:32] <rogue780|laptop> tgm4883_, try changing ethernet0 to ethernet1 (make sure you back up the original file before you make any changes)
[03:33] <rogue780|laptop> majoridiot, do you know what the official name is going to be for this lovely version of ubuntu? mythbuntu, or what? figure I should get it right as I am making the new usplash
[03:33] <majoridiot> i believe it is officially mythbuntu
[03:48] <tgm4883_> how about Ubuntu, the super duper premium platinum, ultra precious edition
[03:49] <rogue780|laptop> nice
[03:50] <rogue780|laptop> never do a google images search for ubuntu logo...
[03:50] <majoridiot> ?
[03:50] <tgm4883_> no?
[03:51] <majoridiot> you can get official ubuntu logos direct from ubuntu
[03:52] <majoridiot> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork
[04:03] <tgm4883_> lol
[04:04] <tgm4883_> are you telling me those aren't good logos on google search
[04:04] <majoridiot> per ubuntu: If you are using the logo, please use one of these officially approved versions.
[04:04] <tgm4883_> ah
[04:04] <majoridiot> so for mythbuntu inclusion, no... prolly not
[04:04] <majoridiot> ;)
[04:05] <tgm4883_> i thought we were getting official ubuntu spokeswomen
[04:06] <tgm4883_> i'll make it my duty to invite women over to proposition them
[04:06] <tgm4883_> ....about being spokeswomen
[04:11] <rogue780|laptop> but...but...but...my logo is so much better
[04:11] <majoridiot> It is important to maintain the visual integrity of the Ubuntu logo. We therefore ask that anyone considering use of the logo keep the following guidelines in mind. Following these guidelines will increase the chances that we will quickly approve your use of the logo.
[04:11] <majoridiot>     * When appearing in multiple colours, the logo should use only the "official" logo colours.
[04:11] <majoridiot>     * You may use transparency and gradient/depth tools, but should still maintain the Ubuntu colours.
[04:11] <majoridiot>     * A monotone version may be acceptable in certain situations, if the use requires it (e.g., desktop backgrounds).
[04:11] <majoridiot>     * Any scaling must retain the original proportions of the logo.
[04:11] <majoridiot>     * Other than the variations listed here, the logo may not be modified in any way.
[04:11] <majoridiot>     * Additional text may not be added in such a way that it appears to be part of the logo itself.
[04:12] <majoridiot> (ubuntu trademark use policy)
[04:13] <rogue780|laptop> argh..so much for my cool 3d version
[04:14] <rogue780|laptop> what about having the text be white....? black text against a black background is not good
[04:14] <rogue780|laptop> The black text is now the officially sanctioned version......
[04:15] <majoridiot> i beleive text colors are ok to change
[04:15] <rogue780|laptop> so what do they want me to do?
[04:15] <majoridiot> just not the image color itself
[04:15] <rogue780|laptop> I think I've figured a way...
[04:15] <majoridiot> these buttons are all "official" and have variations in text color: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebsiteButtons
[04:16] <majoridiot> so you should be ok
[04:23] <rogue780|laptop> majoridiot, check your e-mail...that's just a preliminary mockup...let me know what you think
[04:25] <majoridiot> imo it would better with "ubuntu" in white and the background black
[04:25] <rogue780|laptop> ok
[04:25] <rogue780|laptop> that's what I was kinda thinking too
[04:25] <rogue780|laptop> stupid question...who knows how to invert colors in gimp?
[04:25] <majoridiot> no clue
[04:26] <majoridiot> you could always just do a series of fills
[04:27] <rogue780|laptop> i am such an idiot...I'll blame it on the fact that it's getting late
[04:27] <majoridiot> i.e. fill blue over white BG, then white over the black ubuntu then black ober blue BG
[04:28] <tgm4883_> majoridiot, i think i found a tweak to the guide
[04:28] <majoridiot> shoot...
[04:29] <tgm4883_> at Backend Configuration: mythtv-setup
[04:29] <tgm4883_> in the combined frontend/backend setup
[04:29] <tgm4883_> it no longer goes into mythtv frontend when booted
[04:29] <tgm4883_> it checks and sees that the backend is installed but mythtv-setup hasn't been run
[04:30] <tgm4883_> so the guide tells you to esc out of the frontend
[04:30] <tgm4883_> when you aren't in there
[04:31] <majoridiot> ok
[04:31] <majoridiot> so where are you?
[04:31] <majoridiot> do you see the splash?
[04:31] <tgm4883_> im at a prompt asking me if i want to run mythtv-setup
[04:32] <tgm4883_> the spash is behind it
[04:32] <majoridiot> is this after doing the GDM restart?
[04:32] <tgm4883_> right after i restarted the gdm after installing the frontend
[04:32] <tgm4883_> yea
[04:32] <rogue780|laptop> majoridiot, better?
[04:33] <rogue780|laptop> (check email)
[04:37] <majoridiot> tgm4883: please reload that page and see if that is now accurate
[04:38] <majoridiot> rogue780|laptop: yes, much better.  it pops now.
[04:39] <rogue780|laptop> do you like the perspective of the mythbuntu logo?
[04:39] <majoridiot> rogue780|laptop:  something to consider misght be the placement of the two logos so close to the edges... they might (likely) be cut off due to TV overscan when displayed on TVs
[04:39] <rogue780|laptop> good thought
[04:39] <tgm4883_> majoridiot, you changed it on the combined frontend/backend only?
[04:39] <majoridiot> rogue780|laptop: the perspective seems a little forced.  hard to read cleanly.
[04:40] <majoridiot> tgm4883: correct
[04:40] <rogue780|laptop> so, more subtle then?
[04:40] <majoridiot> maybe
[04:41] <majoridiot> maybe move "southeast" as it were... to be able to read all three elements at a glance
[04:41] <majoridiot> ?
[04:42] <tgm4883_> ok, not correct yet, its in the right place, but after you click ok it goes straight into the frontend where you select the language
[04:42] <tgm4883_> then after that to general, capture cards, etc
[04:43] <tgm4883_> never takes you to the blank background to right click or to the login screen
[04:43] <majoridiot> so the sequence is...
[04:43] <majoridiot> wait.
[04:43] <tgm4883_> gdm restart, mythtv-setup prompt, language, main mythtv-setup
[04:44] <majoridiot> ok...
[04:44] <majoridiot> the language prompt is not for the frontend, tho... that's the first screen of the backend setup.
[04:44] <tgm4883_> oh sorry duh
[04:45] <majoridiot> do you still get the prompt to be added to the mythtv group, have to logout, etc?
[04:45] <tgm4883_> no, haven't gotten it yet
[04:45] <majoridiot> tgm4883: thanks for the heads up
[04:45] <tgm4883_> np
[04:50] <rogue780|laptop> eh? southeast? so the right gets bigger then and drops down?
[04:50] <majoridiot> no...
[04:51] <majoridiot> just move it down and to the left a little...
[04:51] <majoridiot> to make all 3 elements more cohesive
[04:55] <majoridiot> WAIT A MINUTE!
[04:55] <majoridiot> tgm4883: are you reinstalling AGAIN?!?!
[04:56] <tgm4883_> no
[04:56] <tgm4883_> well
[04:56] <tgm4883_> not reallly but yea
[04:56] <tgm4883_> im testing the 6200 and firewire on a different box
[04:56] <tgm4883_> so i am installing a fresh install, but on a different box than my main box
[04:57] <tgm4883_> for testing purposes
[04:57] <tgm4883_> i couldn't do this to my main box again
[04:57] <tgm4883_> you guys would kill me
[04:57] <majoridiot> ah
[04:57] <majoridiot> :)
[04:57] <tgm4883_> although if it works...........
[04:57] <majoridiot> as a point of interest...
[04:57] <majoridiot> if you have probs with the testbox too...
[04:58] <majoridiot> try installing edgy
[04:58] <tgm4883_> i never could get edgy installed on either of these boxes
[04:58] <majoridiot> damn.
[04:58] <tgm4883_> well thats not entirely true
[04:58] <tgm4883_> i had nforce 400 issues
[04:59] <tgm4883_> edgy installed, but i couldn't do crap on it
[04:59] <majoridiot> yes... the forcedeth driver had issues. i ran into that too.
[04:59] <tgm4883_> and it seemed there was a gap in the support for it
[04:59] <majoridiot> i was disappointed with the edgy rls
[04:59] <tgm4883_> 2.6.18 had support, and nvidia only had source for up to like 2.6.12
[05:00] <majoridiot> i just installed it on my main box a month or so ago
[05:00] <tgm4883_> I did have it installed on my main box, but just upgraded it to feisty with a fresh install
[05:02] <tgm4883_> i had the beta installed on it but it would hard lock up
[05:02] <tgm4883_> had to hit reset many times
[05:02] <tgm4883_> not fun
[05:03] <rogue780|laptop> well I'm heading to bed...I've got a 6k tomorrow and should probably be well rested I suppose
[05:04] <rogue780|laptop> adios..see ya'll tomorrow
[05:04] <majoridiot> nite
[05:04] <rogue780|laptop> nite
[05:04] <tgm4883_> nite
[05:04] <rogue780|laptop> now to test feisty's hibernate ability on my laptop
[05:29] <majoridiot> tgm4883: ok... i think that page is accurate now.  thanks again.
[05:40] <tgm4883_> np
[05:40] <tgm4883_> i think i found the problem
[05:41] <majoridiot> whaz that?
[05:41] <tgm4883_> maybe its just a poorly broadcast channel
[05:41] <tgm4883_> :shrugs:
[05:41] <majoridiot> likely, yes
[05:41] <tgm4883_> cause we have run through everything else
[05:42] <tgm4883_> now does it do that on all poorly broadcast channels, or just HD
[05:42] <majoridiot> contact the chief engineer at your local comcast and enquire
[05:42] <majoridiot> anything poorly broadcast
[05:42] <majoridiot> as i said, tvland (SD) is sketchy at times
[05:43] <majoridiot> but some HD streams are also notoriously "dirty"
[05:44] <tgm4883_> hmm
[05:44] <majoridiot> make a list of the channels that are lousy so they can check them all at once
[05:44] <tgm4883_> the log is interesting
[05:44] <majoridiot> ?
[05:44] <tgm4883_> let me pm you
[05:44] <majoridiot> k
[05:44] <majoridiot> or DCC it
[05:44] <majoridiot> yup
[05:45] <majoridiot> malformed transport stream
[05:46] <tgm4883_> but the box didn't actually stop working until i switched to 751
[05:46] <tgm4883_> which isnt where the ts packet problems were
[05:47] <tgm4883_> i figure as long as it still works on the channels i wanted (ie discovery hd, espn hd) then im good.  I didn't plan on recording HBO as i have blockbuster online for movies
[05:48] <majoridiot> yeah, i guess no need in complaining unless you use it
[05:48] <majoridiot> except for the benefit of the masses in general
[05:49] <tgm4883_> yea i will probably call down there after i get my list
[05:49] <majoridiot> but the problem is malformed transport streams
[05:49] <tgm4883_> ok
[05:49] <majoridiot> in my experience, the engineers are good guys to deal with
[05:49] <tgm4883_> the whole box seems to work better now
[05:50] <tgm4883_> the backend primes and starts faster
[05:50] <majoridiot> you might also consider putting together a copy of sections from the log with the important things that might help them track it down...
[05:50] <majoridiot>  0x2b742b70afd0] ac-tex damaged at 1 67  is important
[05:50] <majoridiot> because that throws the rest of the stream out of synch
[05:50] <majoridiot> sometimes it recovers, sometimes not
[05:51] <tgm4883_> ah
[05:51] <tgm4883_> looks like that one recovered
[05:51] <tgm4883_> does that with keyframes?
[05:52] <majoridiot> not exactly, no
[05:52] <majoridiot> it's *really* complicated
[05:52] <majoridiot> i think that is part of the EIT block...
[05:52] <tgm4883_> ah
[05:53] <tgm4883_> the good news is that when it exits to frontend i can kinda just go right back in to watch tv to check it
[05:53] <majoridiot> essentially, (and GROSSLY oversimplifying) the ability for it to "recover" depends on where damage is
[05:53] <majoridiot> yes
[05:54] <tgm4883_> unfortunatly i have to go through a couple hundred channels to see what works and not
[05:54] <majoridiot> most should be ok, since you know they are clear
[05:55] <tgm4883_> yea, but i still have to check for the poor broadcasts
[05:55] <majoridiot> you will have occasional errors anyway.  the firewire libraries are still a work in progress, after all.
[05:55] <tgm4883_> i almost want to put my old firewire card in to see if it works or not
[05:55] <tgm4883_> but i think ill stick with this one
[05:56] <majoridiot> did you get a new one today?
[05:56] <tgm4883_> yea
[05:56] <majoridiot> ah
[05:56] <tgm4883_> i picked up a belkin one
[05:56] <tgm4883_> has a TI chipset
[05:56] <majoridiot> good
[05:56] <majoridiot> you are probably having a much better time of it then
[05:57] <tgm4883_> yea, the whole setup seems cleaner
[05:57] <majoridiot> :D
[05:57] <tgm4883_> probably cause ive done it a couple times now and the packages rock
[05:58] <majoridiot> the packages are something else.
[05:58] <majoridiot> just wait for mythbuntu
[05:58] <majoridiot> :)
[05:59] <tgm4883_> hell, pretty soon its gonna be like "sudo apt-get install mythtv" and poof the whole system will install and setup a few scheduled programs
[05:59] <majoridiot> well... close.
[05:59] <majoridiot> ;)
[05:59] <majoridiot> just put in a cd
[06:02] <tgm4883_> the good news with going through each channel is I can see what channels have crap content
[06:03] <majoridiot> lemme save you some time...
[06:03] <majoridiot> most channels have crap content.
[06:03] <majoridiot> LOL
[06:03] <tgm4883_> im finding that out
[06:04] <majoridiot> i have 150 some odd channels or something...
[06:04] <majoridiot> i regularly watch 4 or 5
[06:04] <majoridiot> might watch a dozen different in a month
[06:10] <tgm4883_> on 62 out of 900
[06:10] <majoridiot> 900?
[06:10] <majoridiot> wtf?
[06:10] <tgm4883_> i have a lot of channels
[06:10] <majoridiot> ya think?
[06:10] <tgm4883_> actually there are some missing between
[06:11] <majoridiot> the knitting channel... the allergy channel... the brown thing in the corner channel...
[06:11] <tgm4883_> and public access channels
[06:11] <tgm4883_> 200 shopping channels
[04:36] <SuperMike> tgm4883 are you awake?
[04:37] <SuperMike> Anyone awake?\
[05:57] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, you there?
[06:41] <SuperMike> Rogue780|laptop, yes
[07:00] <Rtax> allo
[07:01] <Rtax> Should I be installing lirc on feisty for the PVR150 remote? I heard that was built in to the kernel
[07:05] <Rtax> And the other question I had, I have twinview running on my nvidia card, with my tv on the svideo output. How do I get mythtv to automativally start on the tv?
[07:06] <Rtax> I tried the startup programs option, but it starts it on the crt
[07:18] <Chadarius> Rtax: I haven't tryed Feisty on my Mythtv now
[07:18] <Chadarius> Rtax: I'm going to test it all on another box before I risk breaking
[07:20] <Rtax> i broke my edgy box trying to install linuxmce, so I thought trying the install on feisty would be worth it
[07:20] <Rtax> and it was a breeze
[07:20] <Rtax> definitely recommended trying it on feisty
[09:36] <Rtax> sooo
[09:37] <Rtax> any life here?
[10:09] <Rtax> aloha, Can anyone help with lirc on feisty? hardware was working on edgy, I installed standard lirc package from repos, but irw just starts and quits.
[11:15] <rogue780|laptop> argh....has anyone seen superm1 or majoridiot today?
[11:16] <rogue780|laptop> i have the usplash finished for mythbuntu
[11:19] <rogue780|laptop> ill be back
[11:23] <SuperMike> Who knows hardware for capture cards?
[12:19] <rogue780|laptop> SuperMike, you're not superm1 are you?
[12:22] <superm1> hey rogue780|laptop
[12:22] <superm1> finally caught ya
[12:22] <rogue780|laptop> hey
[12:22] <SuperMike> wassup now?
[12:22] <rogue780|laptop> I've got a usplash "working" if you still want it
[12:23] <rogue780|laptop> it works on shutdown, not on boot up...not sure why that is yet, I'm troubleshooting it now actually
[12:23] <rogue780|laptop> did you get my e-mail address from majoridiot?
[12:24] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, yes i just got it today
[12:24] <superm1> i've been afk the last 3 days
[12:24] <rogue780|laptop> nice
[12:24] <superm1> i'd love to see whta you've got with the usplash
[12:25] <superm1> do you have it on a bzr branch or anything?
[12:25] <rogue780|laptop> if you e-mail me, I can e-mail you back with a prelminary image that will become the usplash, or the actual usplash .so file if you want
[12:25] <rogue780|laptop> not sure what a bzr branch is to be honest
[12:25] <superm1> :)
[12:25] <superm1> rogue780|laptop<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:26] <superm1> you can just send it right there
[12:26] <superm1> the image would be of more interest, and then i can compile it to feisty
[12:26] <rogue780|laptop> right, I'm using feisty
[12:27] <superm1> ah, but majoridiot mentioned something about dapper
[12:27] <superm1> i forget what


 😀 (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar @Dip Then I may be wrong. Stick around, maybe someone will know the answer. Thanks @Oskar for chiming in!)
 But if it dont work u can try The free radeon driver, which supports a large number of AMD graphics cards and chipsets, has its own energy saving options (depending on the version):
  ClockGating
  ForceLowPowerMode
  DynamicPM
  How the individual options work and how to activate them is described in detail in the article on the radeon driver.
 https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/AMD/radeon/#Weitere-optionale-Optionen
 If youre from english Country, read this with google translated website
 Hello, i have a question. How can i format to exfat with kubuntu, i just found some ppa, but i dont wat tonbring them to my system if i dont know if its the right way
 Should i use gparted?
[05:01] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: I think you need to install exfat-utils or something like that, then you should be able to use KDE Partition Manager to do it if I'm not mistaken.
[05:02] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, pretty sure "sudo apt install exfat-utils" will enable you to create exFAT partitions.
 Can you research for me if its working? I dont want to setup my system again 😊
[05:02] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL right? Sadly I'm very busy tonight (it's the d
[05:02] <arraybolt3[m]> day of a scheduled developer sprint for Lubuntu, and I'm part of it),
[05:03] <arraybolt3[m]> so I won't be able to do that tonight. However, as long as apt doesn't look like it's about to uninstall a ton of stuff when you go to install exfat-utils, you should be AOK.
 Just asking.. ok then have fun. I will try what you said ... But iam wondering my system is knowing exfat when i put on a harddrive with exfat
 😊
[05:04] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: The Linux kernel has the ability to access exFAT partitions all on its own, you just need the utils to create them.
[05:05] <tannera> Yeah if you plug in an exfat drive it should be recognized fine
 Ok thanks, and when utils installed, i can use gparted or kubuntu formatter toncreate ?
 Have fun at ypur developer sprint.. thank ypu for ypur help here all the time 😊
[05:06] <tannera> Yeah I agree with arraybolt, but, if you are running kubuntu 22 you need to apt install exfatprogs instead
 Ok thanks 😊👍
[05:07] <tannera> Good luck! It's in the offical repos so should just install without a ppa
[05:07] <arraybolt3[m]> tannera: Thanks for stepping in, I didn't know about that!
 Now installed, i will try now gparted and kubuntu formatter
[05:08] <tannera> No worries, first day in the kubuntu IRC and already helping haha :)
 Thanks
[05:08] <tannera> I'll have plenty of qs on my own. Yeah it should let you make them now Oskar
[05:08] <tannera> qs of my own*
 Its working 😘 : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/f7756b24/file_57864.jpg
[05:13] <tannera> Beautiful
 Now checking gparted 😊
[05:14] <tannera> Thanks to arraybolt3. I just tried to install the package he mentioned, it had to candidate so I googled and found stackoverflow as always haha
 Thanks to you both
 How can i set gparted to german?
[05:16] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar Now that may be tricky. If GParted isn't recognizing your language settings, you may need to install additional language packs (KDE should have given you a notice about this already), or it may just not be able to do it. You may be able to do research and find out.
 Ok thanks. And i found a bug in gparted, the controls are invisible is there any fix for it?
 On my ubuntu mate machine the controls are showing
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/93f91e1c/file_57865.jpg
[05:25] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: If you can reproduce the bug reliably, on a fully updated machine, send a bug report on https://launchpad.net/
[05:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, that.
 Yes
[05:26] <arraybolt3[m]> You might be able to find an Icons theme or Icons color preferences somewhere in the program - I've had to do that before.
[05:26] <arraybolt3[m]> (Lots of apps sometimes have vanishing icons if you put them in a color scheme they aren't prepared for - I've had to do that to LibreOffice, for example.)
 On the menus i searched before nothin to change or i overseen the settings
[05:27] <arraybolt3[m]> If you can't find the button, maybe ask on #ubuntu for help, and if that doesn't work, then yeah, file a bug report.
 Ok thanks how can i get from telegram to the ubuntu channel
[05:28] <arraybolt3[m]> I'd file it against kubuntu-meta here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta Which particular package the problem may be in is unclear, but that should at least get it in the right general direction.
[05:28] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oskar: Now that part may be trickier, but you have Konversation on your KDE system, right? If so, just join the #ubuntu channel with that.
 Thanks for the informatio
[05:28] <arraybolt3[m]> No problem.
 Ok thank you
[06:38] <tannera> This is almost certainly the wrong place to ask, but just in case, anyone here get CSGO running on Kubuntu?  I am a ubuntu and kubunto from long time now I try to instal the new version 22.04 and ssh do not conect to external server ... not even from my live usb ... insted with ubuntu 21.10 do conect pefectly ... what do i do wrong?
[12:45] <supermarco> me 2
[12:45] <Ande105> A mean it say time out
[12:46] <Ande105> I check firewall or whatever but I did not find anythink wrong
[12:47] <supermarco> i can't get any app from the app store
[12:47] <Ande105> Fron the dulphin progran in sftp conect pefetcly ...(shuld bge SSH too)
[12:50] <oski146> how can i save #ubuntu in the irc list
[12:50] <oski146> iam using konversation
[12:53] <Ande105> No body here can help me?
[12:53] <oski146> help by what?
[12:54] <Ande105> I am quite desesperate ..... I am a ubuntu and kubunto user from long time now I try to instal the new version 22.04 and ssh do not conect to external server ... not even from my live usb ... insted with ubuntu 21.10 do conect pefectly ... what do i do wrong? A mean it say time out . I check firewall or whatever but I did not find anythink wrong.
[12:54] <Ande105> Fron the dulphin progran in sftp conect pefetcly ...(shuld bge SSH too)
[12:55] <oski146> u have ssh installed?
[12:55] <Ande105> Of course is instal by default
[12:55] <Ande105> and it dose conct in local
[12:55] <Ande105> that very strage
[12:56] <oski146> on raspberry i could help you with ssh, try activating ssh or try deleting the ssh folder and set up new sshconnection
[12:56] <oski146> or just wait for help ere
[12:57] <Ande105> Thanks I will wait some time .... In Rasp goes well ... no problem
[12:59] <oski146> np sorry that  i justhad the 2 options for helping
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:29] <user|48> hi
[15:30] <user|48> keubuntu is secure
[15:30] <user|48> privacy
[15:36] <user|48> keubuntu is secure
 I need fast help, how can i change in handbrake the container format from m4v to mp4? In settings is nothing and iam on kubuntu 22.04
 Handbrake dont showing mp4
 But Kubuntu restricted extras installed
 I need to convert a mkv file to mp4
[16:30] <oerheks> not sure, but i think one cannot directly convert mkv to mp4?
 Then how to convert m4v to mp4
[16:30] <oerheks> maybe you need to do a step in between?
 How (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> maybe you need to do a step in between?)
 Idk if all codecs installed, i have read i have to install some codecs ubuntu not supporting at install
[16:33] <oerheks> this article showed me , there is no mp4 preset, choose mpeg-4
[16:33] <oerheks> https://ottverse.com/how-to-convert-mkv-to-mp4-using-vlc-ffmpeg-handbrake/
 Thank you
[16:33] <oerheks> and pushing ' i need fast help', is not going to work here.. hahahaha
[16:34] <oerheks> have fun!
 Sorry 😂
 Thanks anyways 😊
[16:34] <oerheks> it is friday, almost beer-o-clock
[16:43] <RikMills> almost?
[16:43]  * RikMills hides his beer
[19:40] <alkisg> It's an hour too late for alkisg to hide his beer... :D
 Beer-o-clock xF


[03:57] <nuvolari> fp
[03:57] <nuvolari> mornings mornings!
[03:57]  * nuvolari dies
[05:00] <superfly> morning nuvolari
[05:00] <superfly> and why are you dying all the time?
[05:14] <nuvolari> superfly: mornings
[05:14] <nuvolari> superfly: all the time it feels as if I'm about to say my last words :P
[05:15] <nuvolari> but this morning in particular we had extra inspiration along the road on our bicycle trip, so pedalled extra hard
[05:15] <superfly> nuvolari: you're so dramatic, you could be emo
[05:16] <nuvolari> nemo is a fish, I'm not a fish
[05:16] <superfly> my point exactly.
[05:17] <nuvolari> OH-Kay, I'll try to be a little more subtle :P
[05:18] <nuvolari> what's wrong with dramatic anyway? it's the only bit of excitement I have :P
[05:22] <superfly> nuvolari: typically we leave drama to the girls ;-)
[05:32] <cocooncrash> Well said.
[05:33] <superfly> :-)
[05:36] <nuvolari> pdf ffft.
[05:38] <superfly> oh, nuvolari, I bought myself a netbook last night
[05:53] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:55] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:58] <superfly> môre maiatoday
[05:59] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:09] <nuvolari> superfly: cool! what did you get?
[06:09] <nuvolari> morning oom Kilos
[06:09] <Kilos> mornin nuvolari
[06:11] <superfly> nuvolari: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G8QZPG
[06:16] <nuvolari> superfly: awesome! looks cool too!
[06:23] <sakhi> morning
[06:26] <nuvolari> morning sakhi
[06:26] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[06:47] <superfly> nuvolari: thanks. it's being delivered to my mom-in-law, so I don't pay postage... I just pick it up from them when we visit there in a few weeks
[08:33] <magespawn> morning all
[08:33] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:42] <magespawn> whats up kilos?
[08:43] <Kilos> n othing new, and there
[08:43] <magespawn> not much. opened a can of worms last night hey?
[08:45] <Kilos> lol
[08:46] <magespawn> nice to have their concern though
[08:46] <Kilos> yeah
[08:47] <Kilos> the guys will look after you and guide you
[08:48] <Kilos> and maybe one or two will come feed you peanuts
[08:50] <magespawn> i am missing something, why would i need the peanuts
[08:50] <Kilos> lol when you locked up
[08:51] <magespawn> ha they are never going to catch me. i am invincible.
[08:51] <Kilos> hehe
[08:53] <magespawn> wait till they have read the blog post. they might just decide to come and shot me straight away to save the internet./
[08:53] <magespawn> shoot
[08:53] <Kilos> lol
[08:53] <Kilos> dont be naughty
[08:53] <magespawn> anyway i have to go do some work now.
[08:53] <Kilos> enjoy
[09:47] <superfly> Kilos: do you know what magespawn's blog address is?
[09:48] <Kilos> i got it somehwere in history superfly
[09:48] <Kilos> sec i look for it
[09:51] <Kilos> is this it
[09:51] <Kilos> http://www.gandcnet.com/g-c-blogs/bushwaters
[09:52] <superfly> thanks Kilos
[09:52] <Kilos> is that it??
[09:53] <superfly> it looks like it might be
[09:53] <Kilos> yaya
[09:53] <Kilos> http://bushwaters.gandcnet.com/
[09:54] <Kilos> i see these 2 in history
[13:34] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[13:34]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[13:35] <inetpro> Maaz: and rusks please
[13:35] <Maaz> inetpro: Go get it yourself!
[13:35] <inetpro> eish
[13:36] <inetpro> Kilos: who taught this thing to be so nasty?
[13:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[13:39] <inetpro> thanks Maaz
[13:46] <superfly> afternoon inetpro
[13:46] <inetpro> hiho superfly
[13:49]  * nlsthzn waves... meeting tonight?
[14:59] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[14:59]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[15:00] <Kilos> Maaz, with milk
[15:00] <Maaz> Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow
[15:00] <Kilos> Maaz, and rusks
[15:00] <Maaz> I hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are
[15:00] <Kilos> hmm
[15:02] <Kilos> afternoon inetpro
[15:02] <Kilos> Maaz, define jabberwocky
[15:02] <Maaz> Kilos: jabberwocky n 1: nonsensical language (according to Lewis Carroll)
[15:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:04] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you
[15:04] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[15:06] <Kilos> Maaz, ping
[15:06] <Maaz> Kilos: pong
[15:07] <Kilos> 10 secs
[16:31] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn kbmonkey
[16:32] <superfly> naandsê oom Kilos
[16:32] <Kilos> naand superfly
[16:33] <nlsthzn> Alo
[16:33] <kbmonkey> naand :)
[16:34] <superfly> hiya nlsthzn and kbmonkey
[16:34] <nlsthzn> Hello superfly kbmonkey and uncle Kilos
[16:35] <kbmonkey> i <3 linux :] i just deleted a windows setup iso and recycled all my old CD's. i don't own a single copy of win now. he he
[16:36] <Kilos> lol
[16:36] <Kilos> well done
[16:36] <kbmonkey> cleaning out everything for the move
[16:36] <Kilos> sometimes you need to use windows at work or with clients
[16:37] <Kilos> when are you actually moving kbmonkey
[16:37] <Kilos> its a long trip
[16:37] <kbmonkey> my licenses have all expired so no point in keeping them
[16:37] <Kilos> sore bum far
[16:37] <kbmonkey> ha ha. i fly next week thurs Kilos
[16:37] <Kilos> licences?
[16:38] <Kilos> hehe
[16:38] <kbmonkey> hope my arms dont go sore from the flying
[16:38] <Kilos> lol. you not allowed to be online or use cellfones i think
[16:39] <kbmonkey> i think youre right
[16:39] <kbmonkey> only 2 hour flight but
[16:39] <Kilos> ah yeah thats not too bad
[16:40] <Kilos> time to eat only
[16:40] <kbmonkey> is everyone here for the meeting? :)
[16:40] <Kilos> still early
[16:42] <kbmonkey> ah true.
[16:42] <octoquad> hey everyone :)
[16:42] <Kilos> lo octoquad
[16:42] <kbmonkey> hello octoquad
[16:43] <octoquad> is the IRC meeting still on for this evening?
[16:43] <Kilos> yip
[16:43] <kbmonkey> and other ninjas nlsthzn and superfly
[16:43] <octoquad> kewl
[16:43] <kbmonkey> yes let me make up some meeting agendas
[16:43]  * nlsthzn will soon be going sleepy... day shift... I R sorry
[16:44] <kbmonkey> np :]
[16:44] <Kilos>  no nlsthzn
[16:44] <Kilos> no missing meetings
[16:44] <nlsthzn> hehe :'(
[16:44] <kbmonkey> sticky bun fines
[16:45] <Kilos> lol at least be here for the opening registration
[16:47] <kbmonkey> I heard someone proposed a monthly Ubuntu release schedule. hectic.
[16:48] <Kilos> hi |3o|3
[16:48] <nlsthzn> Was just a blog post... the response on the forum was hectic
[16:48] <nlsthzn> end of the world type posts
[16:49] <kbmonkey> Kilos you remember Maaz did not listen to me last time. Do you think he has been told to listen now?
[16:49] <Kilos> lol , unless you been removed as an admin
[16:50] <Kilos> ask him
[16:50] <Kilos> drubin, will you be here to attend the meeting and check maaz listens to kbmonkey
[16:51] <kbmonkey> does anyone here have anything they like to talk about in our meet? let me know, ill add to the agenda...
[16:55]  * nlsthzn is always here for the snacks... even if he should be sleeping
[16:55] <Kilos> lol
[16:55] <nlsthzn> btw, what time is the party starting... half past?
[16:55] <kbmonkey> he he
[16:55] <kbmonkey> yes
[16:55] <Kilos> yip
[16:56] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you using xchat
[16:56] <kbmonkey> do you think more people will join for then?
[16:56] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos
[16:56] <Kilos> look at who is all online and ping some of them
[16:57] <Kilos> Owkkuri, you attending tonights meeting?
[16:57] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee on
[16:57]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:57] <Owkkuri> Kilos: nope
[16:57] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[16:57] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[16:58] <Kilos> aw why Owkkuri ?
[16:58] <kbmonkey> i went on a kungfu camp this weekend Kilos. i really acquainted with the floor, lol.
[16:59] <kbmonkey> in a nature reserve nogal, there were zebras and duikertjies all around us.
[16:59] <Kilos> he he
[16:59] <Kilos> nice
[16:59] <Kilos> i gotta go eat quick.
[17:00] <kbmonkey> bring us back a doggie bag pls
[17:01]  * nlsthzn goes for a quick shower... there better be cookies when I get back... nom nom nom
[17:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[17:14] <kbmonkey> Maaz thanks
[17:14] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[17:19] <kbmonkey> Maaz what did you do with the rusks?
[17:19] <Maaz> kbmonkey: I'll remember that
[17:20] <superfly> Maaz: what did
[17:20] <Maaz> superfly: *blink*
[17:20] <superfly> Maaz: what did you do
[17:20] <Maaz> superfly: Huh?
[17:20] <superfly> Maaz: what
[17:20] <Maaz> superfly: Huh?
[17:20] <superfly> Maaz: last factoid
[17:20] <Maaz> superfly: What?
[17:20] <superfly> Maaz: last fact
[17:20] <Maaz> superfly: Huh?
[17:20] <superfly> Maaz: how do I use factoid
[17:20] <Maaz> superfly: Factoids are arbitrary pieces of information stored by a key. Factoids beginning with a command such as "<action>" or "<reply>" will supress the "name verb value" output. Search and replace functions won't use real regexs unless appended with the 'r' flag.
[17:20] <Maaz> You can use it like this:
[17:20] <Maaz>   search [for] [<limit>] [(facts|values) [containing]] (<pattern>|/<pattern>/[r]) [from <start>]
[17:20] <Maaz>   literal <name> [( #<from number> | /<pattern>/[r] )]
[17:20] <Maaz>   forget <name> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )]
[17:20] <Maaz>   <name> is the same as <other name>
[17:20] <Maaz>   <name> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )] += <suffix>
[17:20] <Maaz>   <name> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )] ~= ( s/<regex>/<replacement>/[g][i][r] | y/<source>/<dest>/ )
[17:20] <Maaz>   <factoid> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )]
[17:20] <Maaz>   <name> (<verb>|=<verb>=) [also] <value>
[17:20] <Maaz>   last set factoid
[17:20] <superfly> ah
[17:20] <superfly> Maaz: last set factoid
[17:20] <Maaz> superfly: It was: what did you
[17:21] <superfly> Maaz: forget what did you
[17:21] <Maaz> superfly: Righto
[17:21] <kbmonkey> oops :p
[17:21] <Kilos> lol
[17:23] <kbmonkey> is everyone feeling energetic tonight?
[17:23] <superfly> no
[17:23] <nlsthzn> So... I hope we have a fun filled agenda... or I may just fall asleep zzzzzz
[17:23] <superfly> well, my toddler is
[17:23] <Kilos> nope. been a bad head day
[17:24] <kbmonkey> ouch Kilos that can't be too nice
[17:24] <Kilos> no slept near the whole day
[17:24] <Kilos> but didnt wanna miss the meeting
[17:24] <kbmonkey> so dedicated!
[17:25] <nlsthzn> I nominate Kilos for team mascot
[17:25] <Kilos> no man, just nosy
[17:25] <kbmonkey> we need to build an electronic brain skullcap to transfer Kilos's mind into irc and be our new Maaz
[17:25] <Kilos> bmg505, meeting in 5
[17:26] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <Kilos> maaz is too clever
[17:26] <Kilos> Kerbero, meeting in 5
[17:27] <Kilos> confluency, you attending?
[17:27] <octoquad> brb
[17:27]  * nlsthzn wishes the marker line was working in this channel :(
[17:28] <Kilos> what marker line nlsthzn
[17:28] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[17:29] <nlsthzn> In XChat you can have the last place you read have a read line so if you come back after a while you can easily catch up with the conversation... works in most channels... but not this one :/
[17:30] <Kilos> if you just go to another  channel it does it as soon as someone chats
[17:30] <Kilos> or even another workspace at times
[17:30] <kbmonkey> should we give it 1 more min
[17:31] <Kilos> xchat needs a nudge function like pidgin to shake everyones screens
[17:31] <Kilos> or attention button
[17:31] <kbmonkey> nothing shakes my screen except me
[17:32] <nlsthzn> Kilos, nope... most channels work that way, but not ubuntu-za... very odd... oh well :)
[17:32] <kbmonkey> wow good point nlsthzn, never realized that.
[17:32] <kbmonkey> very odd indeed
[17:32] <Kilos> no maia even
[17:33] <superfly> kbmonkey: I reckon we should start
[17:33] <superfly> I have to go give a little boy a shower soon
[17:33] <kbmonkey> agreed
[17:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz start meeting about Monthly IRC meeting
[17:33]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz I am Wesley Werner
[17:34] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Yessir
[17:34] <octoquad> nlsthzn: it works for me, it's a red line right
[17:34] <octoquad> ?
[17:34] <nlsthzn> Maaz I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:34] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Okay
[17:34] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:34] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[17:34] <nlsthzn> octoquad, odd...
[17:34] <mrs_fly> Maaz: I am Hannah Snyman
[17:34] <Maaz> mrs_fly: Alrighty
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz,  I am Miles Sharpe
[17:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[17:35] <Kilos> welcome mrs_fly
[17:35] <kbmonkey> octoquad, tell our bot Maaz who you are via 'maaz, i am <real name>' :)
[17:35] <octoquad> Maaz: I am Bruce Pieterse
[17:35] <Maaz> octoquad: Alrighty
[17:35] <nlsthzn> Maaz, You are Maaz
[17:35] <Maaz> nlsthzn: I already know stuff about You
[17:36] <kbmonkey> Kilos if you please, kind sir
[17:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Review previous meeting minutes
[17:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous meeting minutes
[17:36] <Kilos> yes?
[17:37] <superfly> Where are the minutes again?
[17:37] <kbmonkey> okay, software freedom day and the Oneiric Jam release parties, how did those turn out?
[17:37] <kbmonkey> the minutes for last meeting are found at: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-08-15-17-35-56.html
[17:38] <kbmonkey> I'm sadly reporting that KZN did not have a release party
[17:38] <superfly> kbmonkey: release party? for what?
[17:38] <nlsthzn> Saw the photo's of the Jam held...
[17:39] <nlsthzn> Small but dedicated group :)
[17:39] <kbmonkey> mmm, I'm quoting the last minutes, perhaps its a typo and just meant to be "Global Jam"
[17:39] <superfly> Ya, tumbleweed blogged about it
[17:39] <nlsthzn> And Maia
[17:39] <kbmonkey> okay strike the release party.
[17:39] <superfly> kbmonkey: I think the release party is about organising it
[17:40] <kbmonkey> was that for 11.10?
[17:40] <Kilos> thats for ocelot right
[17:40] <superfly> yup
[17:41] <octoquad> kbmonkey: has there ever been a release party in KZN?
[17:41] <kbmonkey> not that I know of octoquad
[17:42] <kbmonkey> What else can we add here? sorry I'm a bit behind on the Ubuntu releases and their respective names at the moment
[17:42] <octoquad> you know, durban and probably kzn is slack when it comes to linux events in fact anything global
[17:42] <marcog> Maaz: I am Marco Gallotta
[17:42] <Maaz> marcog: Sure
[17:42] <Kilos> hi marcog
[17:43]  * marcog was at the global jam it went really well
[17:43] <kbmonkey> that is good to hear marcog :)
[17:43] <octoquad> where can I read more about this global jam?
[17:43] <marcog> we need to gradually grow a couple more people attending
[17:43] <marcog> but the focus was great
[17:43] <kbmonkey> how many KZN residents do we have online tonight?
[17:43] <octoquad> 1
[17:43] <superfly> http://tumbleweed.org.za/2011/09/05/ubuntu-global-jam-oneiric
[17:43] <marcog> octoquad: it happens every 6 months just before release
[17:43] <superfly> nuvolari: *poke*
[17:43] <kbmonkey> thanks superfly
[17:44] <octoquad> thanks superfly
[17:44] <Kilos> at the release parties cds are handed out right?
[17:44] <marcog> SFD in CT went well apparently, there were about 10 people
[17:44] <Kilos> is there ever any feedback from people that get copies?
[17:44] <marcog> plans for CT release party are a bit of a mess, due to the ACM and rugby being on that weekend
[17:45] <nlsthzn> Kilos, normally the CD's are a bit late (official) but there are always burnt ones
[17:45] <kbmonkey> Oneiric is set to release October 13
[17:45] <marcog> Kilos: the 11.04 ones went out, i hope all people have them by now. 11.10 will come ~1 week after release
[17:46] <kbmonkey> okay this topic actually joins with the next agenda item too
[17:46] <Kilos> ok. i just want to know if any of the people that actually take copies ever give any feedback
[17:47] <kbmonkey> I had some interest for CD's this week and hope to get them out before I leave
[17:47] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Ubuntu CD feedback
[17:47] <marcog> Kilos: most end up going to people who use ubuntu already or people we'll never see again
[17:47] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu CD feedback
[17:47] <Kilos> might help to add a little note on how to get here after installing
[17:47] <superfly> Kilos: exactly what I was thinking
[17:48] <kbmonkey> Kilos that is a great idea. Add to that contact email to send feedback so we can post it on ubuntu-za.org
[17:48] <Kilos> the windows mentality can be a prob if noobs try the install and dont do an update and things arent so good
[17:48] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea include a note on how to submit feedback for Ubuntu CD's, and how to get to the IRC channel for #ubuntu-za
[17:48] <Maaz> Idea recorded: include a note on how to submit feedback for Ubuntu CD's, and how to get to the IRC channel for #ubuntu-za
[17:49]  * nlsthzn was at an installfest, 30 machines installed... with contact info given, response was zero...
[17:49] <kbmonkey> wow nlsthzn, that sounds amazing. I don't think I have ever met more than 8 linux users / pc's at any given time.
[17:49] <octoquad> how are responses handled at the moment? web interface, e-mail, phone calls?
[17:50] <kbmonkey> currently we work through the Ubuntu-za mailing list octoquad
[17:50] <Kilos> i think also people should be informed that ubuntu is not a complete install till updated
[17:50] <kbmonkey> not everyone is likely on there, just like irc
[17:51] <nlsthzn> last off topic, kbmonkey was at a uni, in between classes we installed on the laptops those that wanted...
[17:51] <kbmonkey> any suggestions for other means of feedback?
[17:51] <octoquad> i'm trying to understand this feedback process, tell me more, how do you use this information?
[17:51] <superfly> octoquad: we don't use any information
[17:51] <marcog> kbmonkey: the fb group?
[17:51] <Kilos> octoquad, join the mailing lists
[17:52] <superfly> octoquad: feedback means that people who use the CDs let us know that they have used them, at a guess
[17:52] <marcog> kbmonkey: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuza/
[17:52] <kbmonkey> usually we just post the feedback and pictures (if any) on ubuntu-za.org octoquad. maia was the person who did most of our feedback reporting in the past
[17:52] <Kilos> and if they are having probs they should know how to get here
[17:53] <kbmonkey> we don't use it for anything other than reporting like news
[17:53] <octoquad> superfly: ok, so wouldn't it be easier to setup a web interface with simple questions and comments about how the installation went?
[17:53] <superfly> octoquad: where does that information go then?
[17:54] <superfly> octoquad: and what use would it be?
[17:54]  * nlsthzn has to get up in a few hours... sorry all, would have loved to stay a bit longer but this +2 time zone has caught up with me... night
[17:54] <octoquad> superfly: it can be a simple counter then? with the source of the cd/
[17:54] <Kilos> night nlsthzn ty for staying
[17:54] <kbmonkey> gn nlsthzn, go well
[17:54] <octoquad> Kilos: i'm on the the ubuntu-za mailing list already
[17:55] <octoquad> joing the facebook group now
[17:55] <Kilos> great octoquad we need to let first time installers know about our lists as well
[17:55] <kbmonkey> well if people don't email, they're less likely to fill in a web form. am I wrong saying this?
[17:56] <octoquad> sure, after they have given the source, then we can provide them with a thank you page and additional resources to get started
[17:56] <octoquad> mailing list, facebook page, wiki, ubuntu-za web site etc
[17:56] <superfly> octoquad: that's a good idea, but I think kbmonkey has a point
[17:57] <kbmonkey> octoquad if you like to draft the start of such a feedback form, like with google docs for draft work. we could then move it onto the ubuntu-za site if it seems viable :)
[17:58] <Kilos> basically i am saying we need to provide basic info on our local contact places
[17:58] <kbmonkey> personally I'm bad at making up such things :p
[17:58] <octoquad> kbmonkey: it all depends on how tech savvy theya re and how much time they want to invest, if they at least give  a source you can have some sort of statistics as to how well the distribution is going
[17:58] <Kilos> the main mailing list takes days before you get an answer and there are just too many mails
[17:59] <octoquad> kbmonkey: I can do with PHP/MySQL/HTML5/CSS3 and i'll put it on my site for feedback?
[17:59] <superfly> octoquad: http://ubuntu-za.org/get-started
[17:59] <kbmonkey> this is an interesting point of talk, we can think this over some time
[17:59] <kbmonkey> that would be great octoquad
[17:59]  * superfly spits at PHP
[17:59] <superfly> kbmonkey: ^^ we already have a page on the site
[17:59] <octoquad> superfly: I know I know, I'm learning python, really want to get into that full time
[18:00]  * Kilos laughs @ superfly
[18:00] <kbmonkey> superfly is right, there is a "get started" page, and a get support and get involved.
[18:01] <kbmonkey> kilos do you mean we need to make people aware more of our contact and help methods
[18:01] <octoquad> ok, so can we add the source of the cd which is optional to fill in on that page? How many visits have you had to that page since inception?
[18:01] <Kilos> ye3ah but is that link given with each cd handed out
[18:01] <kbmonkey> I see
[18:01] <octoquad> Kilos: ditto
[18:01] <Kilos> yes kbmonkey
[18:01] <kbmonkey> no it is not given at the moment Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> #ubuntu is murder for a noob
[18:02] <octoquad> who is supplying the cd's?
[18:02] <Kilos> the last lot maiaitoday sorted out
[18:02] <kbmonkey> Ubuntu ships the CD's to country contacts who then spread them to regional contacts
[18:03] <Kilos> sent to different peeps in different centres
[18:03] <kbmonkey> I have a couple left, I gave half to nuvolari and some folks in CT have too IIRC
[18:04] <kbmonkey> okay I will add a note to the CD's with Ubuntu-za's site
[18:04] <octoquad> it would be awesome if we could have QR stickers with the URL and a link underneath that QR sticker just in case they don't have a smartphone with a QR scanner, but cost is another factor
[18:04] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea Include notes with Ubuntu CD's that point to ubuntu-ZA's website for feedback and support contact
[18:04] <Maaz> Idea recorded: Include notes with Ubuntu CD's that point to ubuntu-ZA's website for feedback and support contact
[18:05] <kbmonkey> okay anything else to add before the next topic? :)
[18:05] <octoquad> um, under events, we have 1 January 1970 at 0:00 for three events on that page. that needs to get fixed
[18:05] <octoquad> Monthly Meeting
[18:05] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <superfly> octoquad: yeah, I think it's a problem with the RSS library... I need to go fix it again -_-
[18:06] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Ubuntu-za site spam comments and 1970 events
[18:06] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu-za site spam comments and 1970 events
[18:07] <kbmonkey> there has been some spam getting through on the site comments, and event dates.
[18:07] <superfly> kbmonkey: I'll have a look at that next week - this week is too hectic
[18:07] <kbmonkey> we know you are a very busy guy superfly :)
[18:07] <kbmonkey> it's not mission critical
[18:07] <superfly> distracted is more the word... toddlers keep you "busy"
[18:07] <kbmonkey> but if you would like to recruit some peeps here to help..?
[18:08] <octoquad> superfly: is there any way I can help you with this?
[18:08] <superfly> kbmonkey: yes
[18:08] <superfly> octoquad: do you have a user on the site?
[18:08] <superfly> octoquad: it's running Drupal 6
[18:08] <kbmonkey> I recently had a quick jab at recaptcha, it could be an option for guest commenters
[18:09] <superfly> I thought I had recpatcha on there...
[18:09] <superfly> and  I thought guest commenting was turned off
[18:09] <octoquad> superfly: I think so, give me a sec
[18:09] <kbmonkey> guest comments are off, my bad. but seems like some openId spammers are involved. eek that is scary stuff
[18:09] <superfly> maybe turn openid off?
[18:10] <kbmonkey> I use openId to log into ubuntu-za
[18:10] <octoquad> yeah i'm doing that now as well. but I got this: Fatal error: Out of memory (allocated 45350912) (tried to allocate 1 bytes) in /var/www/www.ubuntu-za.org/sites/all/modules/gcal_events/simplepie.inc on line 13276
[18:11] <octoquad> ok fixed now
[18:13] <kbmonkey> okay I don't want to let the meet run for too long, so octoquad if you and superfly like to have a jab at this in the next few weeks, I think all of Ubuntu-za would appreciate your efforts :)
[18:13] <octoquad> superfly: ok, my username is octoquad
[18:13] <superfly> octoquad: cool
[18:13] <octoquad> kbmonkey: sure no problem
[18:13] <kbmonkey> feel free to cc me too, I'll help out where I can
[18:14] <kbmonkey> okay last topic...
[18:14] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Meeting chair needs a helping hand
[18:14] <Maaz> Current Topic: Meeting chair needs a helping hand
[18:15] <kbmonkey> I'm going to be without a desktop and a permanent residence during October.
[18:16] <kbmonkey> Likely I'll find opportunity to chair for October, but just in case a backup chair might be nice if I'm not online at the time
[18:16] <superfly> kbmonkey: if you can't find anyone else, I can do it... I just have a 2 year old distraction so I can't guarantee anything
[18:16] <kbmonkey> I'll address this in the mailing list too, just mentioning it here for the minutes :)
[18:16] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <Kilos> go Zak
[18:17] <kbmonkey> noted and thanks superfly, maiatoday is also around
[18:18] <kbmonkey> worst case, we just reschedule
[18:18] <octoquad> what is involved in chairing?
[18:18] <kbmonkey> pretty much what I am doing now octoquad
[18:18] <octoquad> i see...
[18:18] <kbmonkey> I create a meeting on the loco.ubuntu.com site for us (http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/220/detail/)
[18:19] <kbmonkey> and I tell Maaz or resident meeting bot what to do
[18:19] <kbmonkey> and I guess that is all for tonight. before I close off, anything to recap or we missed?
[18:20] <octoquad> ok :)
[18:20] <octoquad> I've joinged the facebook page, could someone join me?
[18:20] <Kilos> nope. thanks kbmonkey
[18:20] <octoquad> you guys need to get on diaspora as well
[18:20] <kbmonkey> you can see what meeting command maaz has by sending him '/msg maaz help meet'
[18:20] <octoquad> sorry could someone accept me lol
[18:20] <kbmonkey> but someone needs to give maaz permission to listen to you specifically
[18:21] <kbmonkey> okay, thanks everyone for being here. we appreciate it!
[18:22] <kbmonkey> Maaz end meeting
[18:22] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:22] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-09-20-17-33-53.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-09-20-17-33-53.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-09-20-17-33-53.html
[18:22] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  have you applied for that job
[18:22] <kbmonkey> I hope it wasn't toooo boring
[18:22] <kbmonkey> I did Kilos, thanks for asking :)
[18:22] <Kilos> no ty , good meeting
[18:23] <superfly> octoquad: I'm already on Diaspora
[18:23] <superfly> octoquad<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:24] <kbmonkey> oh is diaspora open now?
[18:24] <kbmonkey> wow I have been away for a while
[18:25] <kbmonkey> the meeting page, with minutes link, is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/220/detail/
[18:26] <kbmonkey> glad about some of those ideas
[18:26] <kbmonkey> thanks to Kilos! :D
[18:26] <octoquad> superfly: cool I added you to my ubuntu-za aspect
[18:27] <Kilos> its just you guys are way ahead of most noobs so dont see the probs they come up against
[18:27]  * superfly is off to wet the kid
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28] <Kilos> enjoy superfly
[18:28] <kbmonkey> thanks for staying superfly :)
[18:28] <kbmonkey> okay i need to feed the face and continue packing soon
[18:29] <Kilos> ty for chairing kbmonkey
[18:29] <Kilos> i go sleep more
[18:29] <kbmonkey> ... and write some labels to stick in the Ubuntu CD's ;)
[18:29] <Kilos> night all
[18:29] <Kilos> actually there is lots that noobs need to know
[18:30] <kbmonkey> I signed up for a diaspora invite months ago, not received one yet
[18:30] <kbmonkey> Kilos you have real insight in bridging that gap it seems
[18:30] <kbmonkey> we are too clever for our own good!
[18:30] <Kilos> thats why i say they need to know how to get here
[18:31] <Kilos> most peeps are scared to use the cli or even know what it is
[18:31] <Kilos> so some will need to know how to use synaptic
[18:31] <octoquad> kbmonkey: ask @joindiaspora on twitter. Tell them you still waiting for an invite
[18:32] <kbmonkey> will do octoquad. will reopen twitter account, killed it a while ago. and facebook too.
[18:33] <Kilos> facebook is a data hog
[18:33] <marcog> and google isn't?
[18:33] <marcog> and ms isn't?
[18:33] <Kilos> lol i hardly google
[18:34] <kbmonkey> google has credit for contributing to FOSS :)
[18:34] <Kilos> and wget saves lots
[18:35] <kbmonkey> that it does!
[18:36] <kbmonkey> i haven't been using lynx as much though
[18:37] <Kilos> yeah me too
[18:37] <Kilos> actually forgot
[18:38] <Kilos> gotta go sleep guys. night all. see ya morrow
[18:44] <octoquad> i use duckduckgo for my searches nowadays...
[18:48] <octoquad> ok i'm out, chat soon...superfly, can we discuss the website here in a private conversation or what would be a convenient channel of communication for you?
[18:55] <kbmonkey> okay thanks for joining octoquad!
[18:56] <kbmonkey> i think superfly has gone to bath the little one
[18:57] <octoquad> oh ok, well, I'll come back tomorrow then
[18:57] <octoquad> cheers kbmonkey
[18:57] <kbmonkey> email is also good. it keeps better records than irc
[18:57] <octoquad> cia
[18:57] <octoquad> i mean ciao
[18:57] <kbmonkey> cioa!
[18:57] <superfly> octoquad: channel is fine
[18:57] <octoquad> noted
[18:59] <kbmonkey> we need a self aware AI CMS for the site. it shall be called... skynet
[19:04]  * inetpro arrives late as usual
[19:06] <inetpro> nice to see that you guys had another meeting
[19:11] <kbmonkey> better late than never huh
[19:13] <kbmonkey> the minutes are here for your perusal http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/220/detail/ :D
[19:19] <inetpro> kbmonkey: thanks, I quickly scanned through it
[21:35] <Kerbero> Symmetria:
[21:35] <Kerbero> Err http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/main telepathy-indicator amd64 0.0.6-0ubuntu2
[21:35] <Kerbero>   403  Forbidden
[21:35] <Kerbero> Failed to fetch http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/telepathy-indicator/telepathy-indicator_0.0.6-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb  403  Forbidden
[21:35] <Kerbero> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[21:35] <Kerbero> :(