[00:51] <tripelb> Help, I got a bad install and got stuck in grub recovery. Can't get to windows. Maybe I did something wrong in partition, I gave it one partition, figured swap and whatever would be carved out of the 20G.
[00:52] <tripelb> Right now I want to do one small thing in windows.
[00:54] <tripelb> Oops wrong room
[07:03] <jibel> good morning
[07:15] <pitti> bonjour jibel, comment vas-tu?
[07:16] <jibel> pitti, hey, i'm fine but really tired, 3rd day of insomnia :(
[07:21] <pitti> jibel: ugh, 3 days? that sounds pretty far away from "fine"
[07:52] <dholbach> good morning
[12:12] <zyga> retoaded: ping
[12:13] <zyga> retoaded: could you fix permissions so that I can rename (apparently that needs delate, silly jenkins there)
[12:13] <zyga> retoaded: and add support for git if you don't mind (probably requires a jenkins plugin, not sure really)
[13:12] <retoaded> zyga, your permissions have been modified and git (and the git plugin for git) has been installed
[13:15] <zyga> retoaded: thanks a lot!
[13:16] <retoaded> zyga, np
[13:21] <zyga> retoaded: I have issues with git clones, is the lab firewalled in a way that simple git clone from git:// url won't work?
[13:22] <retoaded> zyga, it depends upon what the URL is; most are blocked (and I have no control over that).
[13:23] <retoaded> If you need/require access to a specific URL or set of URLs you will need to submit an RT to IS to get that opened up.
[13:23] <zyga> retoaded: are there any 'safe' things, like http/https
[13:23] <retoaded> Unfortunately, the access from the lab to the world is severely limited.
[13:25] <retoaded> We are working on getting a subnet from the lab connected to an unfettered link to the world but that has not been fully connected yet (it's in IS hands atm).
[13:29] <zyga> retoaded: could you configure git plugin to work: currently it fails on stuff like: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/plainbox-unit-tests/6/console
[13:29] <zyga> retoaded: I have no idea why jenkins wants to tag things there
[13:30] <retoaded> zyga, let me see what I can do
[13:31] <zyga> thanks, IIRC it's in the plugin config page
[13:37] <zyga> retoaded: could you please look at http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/plainbox-unit-tests/7/label=precise/console
[13:38] <zyga> retoaded: it seems that slaves don't have the required packages installed, I got similar errors for bzr
[13:38] <zyga> retoaded: how can I install bzr/git on slaves?
[13:38] <retoaded> zyga, the git configuration consists of telling jenkins where the git executable it located. The user jenkins needed (it appears) to have run 'git config'; a generic setup has been added. Also added the links to the proxy server that may or may not allow access to some of the http/https sites you require access to.
[13:38] <retoaded> zyga, I can handle that for you; give me a few minutes.
[13:40] <zyga> retoaded: thanks
[13:48] <zyga> retoaded: that seem to have fixed it, thanks!
[17:51] <balloons> alesage, ping
[17:51] <alesage> balloons, hallo
[17:51] <balloons> :-)
[17:52] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[18:02] <balloons> hello SergioMeneses
[18:03] <SergioMeneses> hey hey balloons how are you?
[18:03] <balloons> good, yourself?
[18:03] <SergioMeneses> balloons, pretty well! I have good internet connection now :)
[18:04] <SergioMeneses> so Im working on some loco-bugs
[18:05] <cprofitt> hello all
[18:06] <SergioMeneses> cprofitt, hi!
[18:07] <balloons> cprofitt, the UF stuff is exciting ;-) getting some feedback on the doodle poll?
[18:08] <cprofitt> balloons: yes... I am getting feedback
[18:08] <cprofitt> it seems half of the interested parties are GMT+1
[18:08] <cprofitt> and the other half are GMT-5
[18:08] <cprofitt> so we have a 6 hour swing
[18:09] <balloons> ah.. well not so bad.. timezones are at least consistent
[18:09] <cprofitt> we also have bugs getting filed
[18:09] <cprofitt> yeah
[18:09] <cprofitt> question -- is there an online tool for doing a GUI mockup?
[18:09] <balloons> I've used.. oh what is it
[18:10] <balloons> http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups
[18:10] <cprofitt> some folks have made suggestions for improvement, but I think we need to have everyone be able to visualize them
[18:10] <cprofitt> I am thinking we will want to have a few UDS sessions this spring
[18:10] <balloons> that site has a webapp which is nice
[18:11] <balloons> the desktop app works on linux, and they give a free license for anyone doing open source work
[18:11] <balloons> I'm sure there are others.. google is your friend there ;-)
[18:11] <cprofitt> nice
[18:12] <balloons> http://support.balsamiq.com/customer/portal/articles/105924
[18:13] <cprofitt> thanks... will look in to that more after work today
[18:13] <balloons> np
[18:14] <cprofitt> mike is excited to be working on this stuff again
[18:14] <cprofitt> so there is a great deal of excitement
[18:15] <balloons> :-)
[18:32] <SergioMeneses> lunch time
[18:52] <cprofitt> balloons: does myBalsamic also offer free options?
[19:05] <balloons> cprofitt, what do you mean/
[19:05] <balloons> they give open source licenses for myBalsamic as well, but there's a few requirements
[19:06] <balloons> you can use the web app without worry
[19:09] <cprofitt> cool... I was looking at myBalsamic because of the team based nature of it
[19:13] <balloons> ahh.. i've not used it
[19:43] <balloons> hello primes2h letozaf_  :-)
[19:43] <letozaf_> Hi balloons :)
[19:43] <primes2h> Hi balloons! :-)
[19:43] <primes2h> balloons: how are u?
[19:43] <letozaf_> balloons, sorry I didn't know it was holiday yesterday in the US
[19:45] <balloons> no worries.. I didn't realize it myself :-)
[19:45] <balloons> but when I did, I took the opportunity to go outside and be away from my pc :-)
[19:45] <balloons> I'm doing well.. I trust this evening finds both of you well also
[19:46] <balloons> so, I wanted to chat about a few things
[19:46] <balloons> the first is the classroom sessions, we'd like someone to give a session on laptop/hardware testing ;-)
[19:47] <letozaf_> primes2h, you had to ask balloons about the firs one right?
[19:48] <primes2h> letozaf_: let balloons finish the list please, I think all things could be connected in some way
[19:48] <primes2h> ;-)
[19:48] <balloons> the second is the hw compatibility db.. basically what we spoke about @ UDS.. hexr, ubuntu friendly, etc
[19:50] <balloons> so yes, shoot :-)
[19:51] <balloons> the classroom session  basically requires you to put together a little script, and then via IRC give some instruction about what is invovled, how to help, etc
[19:51] <primes2h> balloons: well, as I thought and I've just said, the two things are connected.
[19:52] <primes2h> balloons: my doubt is about the first part of the session, how to create an hardware profile.
[19:53] <balloons> primes2h, ahh yes.. things are in flux on that aspect aren't they?
[19:54] <primes2h> balloons: sure. :-) UF is not the best choice right now, not anymore I think.
[19:55] <primes2h> balloons: I mean,
[19:57] <balloons> yes, from a hw compatibility perspective we're leaning towards hexr. I haven't heard a timeline from david about getitng us a hexr instance though :-(
[19:57] <balloons> I've sent him off another email. But yes since cprofitt and dkessel are helping re-start ubuntu friendly, our interests are similar
[19:58] <balloons> friendly however is interested in maintaining a list of usable systems, while we're looking to have a list of people's machines willing to test..
[19:58] <primes2h> balloons: in fact it has never been the best way to have an hardware profile because of the delay in having the profile itself on the UF site.
[19:59] <balloons> the tools to profile a machine however, can certainly be shared. I believe hexr was going to move away from the tool they used to utilized checkbox
[19:59] <balloons> yes, the delay problems are a big issue.. and probably one of the first they will attempt to solve
[19:59] <balloons> but in our case, we would still use checkbox, but submit the results to hexr instead
[20:00] <primes2h> balloons: that would be great.
[20:00] <primes2h> wouldn't be, letozaf_?
[20:01] <letozaf_> yeah sure!
[20:01] <balloons> :-p That's my understanding.. so it's on me to get ahold of david to get our instance up
[20:01] <primes2h> balloons: one question,
[20:02] <balloons> but I want to make sure you stay in the loop on friendly because I believe checkbox will have a role in both systems
[20:02] <balloons> primes2h, sure
[20:04] <primes2h> balloons: is checkbox the only tool used right now to send data to hexr?
[20:04] <primes2h> I mean, is it a modified version of checkbox?
[20:05] <balloons>  primes2h last I used it, they were still using there original script
[20:05] <balloons> let me look
[20:05] <balloons> yes, it appears to still be that way
[20:07] <balloons> primes2h, so on the classroom session, your concerned because of the hw profile?
[20:08] <letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:08] <balloons> ok, so why don't we do something in the interim
[20:09] <balloons> can we instruct folks to paste the output of a script or something similar?
[20:09] <balloons> I know it's not ideal at all
[20:10] <letozaf_> balloons, maybe we could just explain how it has to be done now
[20:10] <balloons> zyga, are you about?
[20:10] <cprofitt> primes2h: I believe there is a desire to change the way data gets to UF
[20:10] <letozaf_> balloons, when modifications come on we can have another classroom session to explain the changes
[20:10] <zyga> balloons: yes
[20:11] <primes2h> balloons: I mean, I thought hexr thing could be ready, so I could run the session in that direction.
[20:11] <cprofitt> I think mike wanted to have the data go directly to UF
[20:12] <balloons> zyga, is there a way to profile a piece of hardware and get a text representation of it? What I am wondering is that even though uploads to ubuntu friendly are failing, could we still somehow get the profile and manually have someone place it somewhere for reference
[20:12] <cprofitt> it sounds like hexr and UF could have synergy... or end up being the same thing - where can I find more information on hexr?
[20:12] <cprofitt> balloons: there is a place they are stored on LP, but I have not been able to figure out where they are stored
[20:12] <zyga> balloons: so yes
[20:12] <cprofitt> there is also a file that is generated by checkbox that is on the local machine
[20:13] <balloons> cprofitt, https://launchpad.net/~nskaggs/+hwdb-submissions
[20:13] <zyga> balloons: it's still a bit of a moving target
[20:13] <zyga> balloons: but the very same code that generates the so-called submission to checkbox server side pieces works just fine
[20:13] <zyga> balloons: in the coming weeks we are going to have support for that in the checkbox cleanup rewrite - plainbox
[20:14] <balloons> zyga, ah-hah.. that's what I was wondering about :-)
[20:14] <zyga> balloons: so far, I'm not 100% sure that it's true, I believe that all the hardware data is just the resource jobs being starte
[20:14] <zyga> roadmr: ^^
[20:14] <zyga> balloons: so the very same jobs could be started, packaged without any test data, and sent somewhere
[20:14]  * roadmr reads backlog
[20:14] <primes2h> cprofitt: balloons zyga: that would be really nice.
[20:14] <zyga> balloons: are you aiming at hexer or the new certification site?
[20:15] <balloons> zyga, we (as a quality community team) want a hw testing database, and we looked at having a hexr instance to do this
[20:15] <zyga> I really encourage you to look at checkbox rewrite
[20:15] <zyga> it's very very well documented
[20:15] <zyga> and well tested
[20:15] <zyga> and we (I) would love community feedback and contributions
[20:15] <primes2h> balloons: and what we really need for the laptot testing hardware profile.
[20:15] <balloons> my assumption was that we would utilize it for generating a profile.. but it's dependent on what hexr would support
[20:15] <cprofitt> will hexr and UF still be two different things or would they end up doing the same thing?
[20:16] <roadmr> you can either create a whitelist with only the resource jobs, or deselect all jobs and run it that way
[20:16] <zyga> cprofitt: I'm not sure, I heard some talks about making the data they manage the same
[20:16] <balloons> zyga, yes as primes2h mentions.. for today, right now, without a testing db online, we really need a way to make a hardware profile
[20:16] <roadmr> it will run the resource jobs anyway, that *should* be enough information about the hardware
[20:16] <balloons> and then a place to store and link to it, so our current process can utilize it
[20:16] <zyga> balloons: ok, so that's something that is probably easy to do today
[20:16] <cprofitt> I just want to make sure if they are going to be mostly the same that we get community support to work on both of them and not compete
[20:16] <roadmr> it will create a submission.xml file that's easy to parse, and that's what gets uploaded to launchpad
[20:17] <cprofitt> with one another for contributors
[20:17] <zyga> balloons: using just plainbox codebase, you would run a sequence of jobs that poke at the hardware and save the results, the only missing pieces that are needed are
[20:17] <zyga> balloons: support for so-called attachment jobs
[20:17] <zyga> balloons: support for saving the old .xml file (if that's what you want to keep)
[20:17] <zyga> balloons: attachments will materialize within 2 weeks
[20:17] <zyga> balloons: xml likely so as well
[20:17] <zyga> balloons: but as far as the interface is concerned you could start hacking today
[20:17] <balloons> primes2h, please jump in here as to what you think is needed
[20:18] <zyga> balloons: and as those two features get added, you will just take advantage of them transparently
[20:18] <zyga> balloons: one caveat: you have to work in the checkbox source tree, plainbox has no stable internal API, and we have no public api at this time
[20:18] <zyga> balloons: in practice it should not be a big deal
[20:19] <zyga> balloons: this way when we break something, we'll update your code
[20:19] <primes2h> balloons: one min., on the phone :-(
[20:20] <cprofitt> so... hexr is going to be more of a component level view vs. specific model/manufacturer
[20:20] <balloons> cprofitt, on the uf and hexr thing, yes.. it's why I want everyone involved to know about each other and be on the same page.. we can certainly use the same tools to process machines, even though the focus will be different.
[20:20] <balloons> cprofitt, if you haven't seen hexr, it basically is a very testing focused view of machine profiles.. allows you to group, search and look at machines from a testing perspective
[20:21] <cprofitt> I know some of the UF interested people were trying to pull that kind of data as well... which Nvidia cards were working, etc.
[20:21] <cprofitt> yeah, I have not seen it... but would be interested at seeing it
[20:21] <balloons> cprofitt, yes, yes.. So some things are very similar, but for our purposes of the hw testing db, we'd want to ping people with specific bits of hw and ask them to test things
[20:21] <balloons> we would be less concerned with cataloging what works and what does
[20:22] <balloons> *doesn't
[20:22]  * cprofitt nods
[20:22] <cprofitt> I understand I think
[20:22] <cprofitt> not about what works, but getting tests of specific hardware
[20:22] <balloons> right.. at the same time, it's possible for them to be 2 views on the same data :-)
[20:22] <balloons> that I guess we'll have to see..
[20:22] <cprofitt> yep
[20:23] <zyga> if any of you wants to start experimenting with the client-side side of things, ping me please
[20:23] <cprofitt> I do that all the time with the DBs I use
[20:23] <zyga> I'll gladly help everyone get started
[20:24] <cprofitt> gotta run for home now... be back on in a little bit
[20:24] <balloons> k
[20:24] <balloons> ok, so it sounds like for hw profiles primes2h we can do two things today
[20:25] <balloons> correct me if I'm wrong.. have people run checkbox with all jobs deselected, and then post there submission.xml file someplace (since the upload is failing :-()
[20:25] <balloons> 2) write a job for plainbox to run the hw tests and submit them somewhere for us
[20:25] <roadmr> balloons: upload failing? to uf?
[20:25] <zyga> balloons: do you want to have a separate database/server backend?
[20:25] <roadmr> balloons: remember, they first go to launchpad, they all go through, then uf slurps them, this is the phase that's failing
[20:25] <balloons> roadmr, yes, seemingly somewhere in the process submissions aren't making it
[20:26] <roadmr> balloons: but we can leverage what's already in launchpad
[20:26] <primes2h> here I am. sorry.
[20:26] <balloons> roadmr, yes, so uf might be fine ;-) it mightbe getting lost in lp..
[20:26] <roadmr> balloons: here's every submission I've ever done: https://launchpad.net/~roadmr/+hwdb-submissions
[20:26] <zyga> balloons: if so, then 2) is probably saner out of the box as you can control what you send trivially from plainbox (you can send custom blobs, json, custom xml, etc)
[20:27] <balloons> zyga, what do you mean by seperate db/server backend
[20:27] <zyga> balloons: using the existing db is only a good option when it is not a problem for you (it won't block you instantly) and you can somehow take the crappy data out (which is a problem in itself)
[20:27] <zyga> balloons: well, I know of hexer,ubuntu  the certification site, and friendly (wherever that lives)
[20:28] <primes2h> zyga: I agree.
[20:28] <balloons> roadmr, yes, so perhaps we have them submit, then go to that page and manually link there pfoile? the thing is they are bzipped
[20:28] <roadmr> balloons: yep, need to bunzip them :/
[20:29] <roadmr> balloons: but that's easy, right?
[20:29] <zyga> there is also LAVA but I think for ubuntu you could use checkbox/plainbox to get stuff you want faster (lava has it's own server side parts and custom hardware profile collector)
[20:29] <primes2h> roadmr: I think the problem could be to find the profile you've just sent.
[20:29] <primes2h> roadmr: in launchpad I mean
[20:29] <balloons> the ultimate goal for the current process is to have a link on the web with a readout of the hw profile
[20:29] <roadmr> balloons: I also think there's either a place where you can get *all* submissions, or some sort of API access to the thing, I remember cr3 slurping all the submissions via some weird magic
[20:29] <zyga> balloons: can launchpad provide that today?
[20:30] <balloons> traditionally, ubuntu friendly was providing this, right primes2h ?
[20:30] <primes2h> balloons: exactly, we juust need a simple hw profile
[20:30] <primes2h> somewhere
[20:30] <zyga> roadmr: I read that code, it will never (sorry cr3) scale beyond "let me download record X", if you want to do any kind of analytics on top you need to mirror the whole dataset
[20:30] <primes2h> :-)
[20:30] <roadmr> zyga: indeed, that's what cr3 did :) (and had a laptop downloading all submissions for a while)
[20:31] <primes2h> balloons: yes, but it was release-related
[20:31] <zyga> and lastly, there are privacy concerns to mention, but those should be minimal in practice, with what is currently being submitted (probably?) by checkbox
[20:31] <primes2h> balloons: it is I mean
[20:31] <primes2h> balloons: e.g. https://friendly.ubuntu.com/12.10/Acer/Aspire%202930/I:BvKMKi:Jfp:Co4:I8g:FO:BEfp:EZU:I8g:BM0:I8g/
[20:32] <zyga> balloons, primes2h so my bit of advice would be to decide where you want to store data, can you freely change the friendly DB if you take over the project? can you just use the infrastructure and existing code as a starting point -- if so, that's a good reason to reuse it
[20:32] <balloons> yes, the simpliest way to get a link (literally a link) to a page that provides hw output lke that is what the hw testing folks want in the interim
[20:32] <balloons> long term is the goals around hexr
[20:32] <primes2h> balloons: the big issue right now is that you must run checkbox from a stable release to have your profile on UF site.
[20:32] <zyga> if not, I would prototype something away from the current codebase, just make sure you can consume a subset of the data, to get you started
[20:33] <zyga> and worry about how to connect to hexer later
[20:33] <primes2h> balloons: with the delay problem as well
[20:33] <zyga> probably linking at a web-app level is better in practice (so a link from friendly might bring you over to hexer) as two separate projects just won't in practice agree on enough of the lower level bits to share a db
[20:34] <balloons> zyga, we're trying to be as simple as possible, to basically fix what is a bug in the process
[20:34] <balloons> namely that we can't link to a hw profile
[20:34] <zyga> balloons: then patching the codebase is probably the quickest option, assuming that is possible in the desing (I don't know how friendly works)
[20:34] <cr3> zyga: don't apologize to me, you're supposed to slurp from launchpad which is where you should slurp submissions from
[20:35] <zyga> cr3: yeah but for doing any kind of 'big data' analysis you have to mirror each record so the api is really rsync
[20:35] <zyga> cr3: for accessing data casually, it's good
[20:36] <balloons> hmm... so cprofitt took off, but I wonder if it would be possible to get friendly to work sooner rather than later
[20:36] <cr3> balloons: you need to be a member of the ~hwdb-team to access the launchpad hwdb api, which you might already be a member through ~canonical-ubuntu-platform
[20:36] <balloons> that would, as zyga says, keep the current process intact enough to keep going, while the bigger picture stuff around hexr and uf happen
[20:37] <zyga> balloons: I'm not sure anything happens around uf at this time
[20:37] <cr3> zyga: same for the launchpad api, same for the hexr api, big data analysis is either hard to get right or should be done with map-reduce scripts
[20:37] <zyga> cr3: I agree
[20:38] <primes2h> zyga: I agree with balloons, we just need a simple way to fix the hw profile bug in the laptop testing tracker...
[20:38] <zyga> cr3: I just say that any kind of remote-data is flawed without a solution to this problem, unless both servers have 10G links and are in one rack
[20:38] <zyga> primes2h: ok, anything I can help you with on the checkbox side, to get you going, just ask me
[20:42] <primes2h> zyga: to sum up, do you think that the 2) option is the simpler way to achieve the result?
[20:42] <zyga> primes2h: if you need to send the current submission xml then no, for the moment keep using checkbox as we don't have that feature reimplemented yet
[20:43] <zyga> primes2h: your part of the problem is to figure out which things to "run" (tests / jobs)
[20:43] <zyga> primes2h: later on you can just call a different tool / library to do that
[20:43] <zyga> primes2h: as plainbox is not about changing everything, just making it more reliable and easy to use
[20:46] <zyga> primes2h: one thing that's not clear to me -- do you want to have interactive tests in friendly, or just automated hardware scraping?
[20:47] <primes2h> zyga: in my opinion, a very simple script to get just hw data and submit them somewhere to have it available immediately ("live" )should be enough ;-)
[20:47] <zyga> primes2h: well, once you stabilize your selection of checkbox jobs to execute, ping me :)
[20:48] <primes2h> zyga: I mean, that's what is needed now.
[20:48] <zyga> primes2h: it's _almost_ trivial to do that in plainbox (apart from local jobs that kind of mess the high-level API, that will be refactored ijn the next few weeks)
[20:48] <zyga> primes2h: I understand
[20:48] <zyga> primes2h: but I don't know which parts of the checkbox submission you want, that's controlled by the job selection
[20:48] <primes2h> zyga: something like this
[20:49] <primes2h> https://friendly.ubuntu.com/12.10/Acer/Aspire%202930/I:BvKMKi:Jfp:Co4:I8g:FO:BEfp:EZU:I8g:BM0:I8g/
[20:49] <primes2h> just an hw profile on a site
[20:49] <zyga> cr3: ^^ is that just udevresource at work?
[20:49] <zyga> roadmr: ^^
[20:49] <zyga> if so I can write you a script like that in 10 minutes, it will just save json for now, as xml output is not implemented (patches really welcome)
[20:50] <roadmr> zyga, primes2h : yes, mostly udev_resource
[20:50] <zyga> (and maybe some kind of dmi data, unless "acer aspire" is magic data from somewhere else
[20:50] <zyga> primes2h: if you work with roadmr to finalize the selection of jobs, I'll write the relevant tool now
[20:51] <primes2h> zyga: roadmr: sure, lsusb -vv lspci lshw as well etc.
[20:52] <balloons> dmidecode might in there as well
[20:53] <roadmr> zyga, primes2h : that's kinda easy, bzr branch lp:checkbox && cd checkbox && head -33 data/whitelists/default.whitelist
[20:53] <roadmr> that's everything that's not an actual test job (i.e. the system data collection stuff)
[20:54] <zyga> k
[20:54] <primes2h> roadmr: interesting...
[20:54] <zyga> give me a sec
[20:55] <roadmr> primes2h: heeh :)
[20:57] <primes2h> roadmr: it's simple, when you know "where" to look... ;-)
[20:59] <primes2h> zyga: roadmr: but there is still the "where to submit data" issue I think.
[21:00] <roadmr> primes2h: well ask us for pointers on where to look, we're always happy to help
[21:00] <primes2h> to have it available immediately as a link
[21:01] <primes2h> roadmr: I'll surely do, thank you :-)
[21:01] <zyga> primes2h: I cannot help with that issue, sorry
[21:01] <roadmr> primes2h: as-is, it can't be done, because there are two layers of processing between the upload and the actual appearance of the submission in UF
[21:02] <roadmr> primes2h: so when you upload, there's no way of knowing a priori where your report will be visible
[21:03] <primes2h> roadmr: ehhh, that is the big problem we've had with UF so far.
[21:03] <roadmr> primes2h: yes, and I'm afraid without some massive architectural redesign it's not going to improve
[21:06] <cr3> zyga: sorry for the lag, glad to see roadmr is still quicker than me :)
[21:07] <roadmr> cr3: haha I do my best, plus you're busy with important stuff while I'm just vulturing here
[21:21] <primes2h> mmh, bad connection. :-/
[21:23] <primes2h> zyga: roadmr: thanks a lot, then I'll have  a look at checkbox first.
[21:23] <roadmr> primes2h: ok, checkbox is a complex piece of machinery, do let us know if you need help figuring out the innards
[21:24] <primes2h> letozaf_: do you have questions about that?
[21:24] <letozaf_> primes2h, no, you guys have figured out everything :)
[21:24] <primes2h> roadmr: ok, thanks :-)
[21:25] <letozaf_> balloons, what about the classroom sessions, I've never held any, and so I think also primes2h we will need some help :)
[21:26] <balloons> primes2h, letozaf_ heh ;-)
[21:26] <balloons> yes, I will be around so you won't be alone
[21:26] <primes2h> balloons: sure, that was the next question. :-D
[21:26] <balloons> let me link you to the page that talks about running  a session
[21:26] <balloons> there will also be people from the classroom team there
[21:27] <balloons> I'd never used the classroom bot before, but they made it wasy
[21:27] <balloons> in a nutshell, you just need to have prepared 15-20 mins of material to cover.. Typing up some of what you want to say in advance (at least notes) isn't a bad ida
[21:28] <balloons> you then talk about the subject via IRC chat in the classroom channel
[21:28] <balloons> so in your case, the agenda could look something like this
[21:29] <balloons> 1) What is hw testing? 2) Why do we do it? 3) Discuss tools/setup needed 4) Submit a result 5) Discuss how the result is used, and when testing occurs 6) Q & A
[21:29] <balloons> that was literally off the top of my head.. but the jist is to have you cover hw testing.. the goal is to get more people interested in helping test, and understand how to do so
[21:30] <balloons> make sense?
[21:30] <letozaf_> balloons, yes
[21:30] <primes2h> balloons: absolutely
[21:30] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Guidelines
[21:31] <balloons> they also allow you to have slides
[21:31] <balloons> apparently they are helpful and useful.. I didn't have any, but not a bad idea for you to make some
[21:32] <balloons> and yes, you can tackle the session together if you wish
[21:32] <balloons> that answer the questions? Just need to pick a day and time, and then let liz know..
[21:33] <primes2h> balloons: what about Sergio? Does he want to give a hand?
[21:33] <letozaf_> balloons, how do the slides work, I mean must we put them somewhere and then write the link in chat or is there something different?
[21:34] <balloons> letozaf_, you can ask the team for more info directly
[21:34] <balloons> basically provide them a pdf file
[21:34] <balloons> they need it the day beforehand
[21:34] <letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks we will see if we need some
[21:35] <balloons> I'm unsure of how the slides work then.. you can join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage at any time and ask them about it
[21:35] <balloons> they will be the ones helping you out with those technical details
[21:35] <balloons> primes2h, Sergio was interested, but didn't want to steal your thunder ;-)
[21:42] <primes2h> balloons: noo, no problem for me, his help is very welcome, we could manage to split arguments, there could be a lot of things to say.
[21:44] <balloons> primes2h, ok, I'll leave you 3 to it then
[21:44] <primes2h> balloons: letozaf_ and I should first talk about topics and how to organize the session.
[21:45] <balloons> could you please just update the wiki page and let everyone on the thread know once you have a date and time picked
[21:45] <balloons> that's the most important thing
[21:45] <balloons> i want to promote the event :-)
[21:45] <balloons> and the others need to plan it
[21:45] <balloons> plan for it, I should say
[21:45] <balloons> you have to plan the content, lol :-)
[21:45] <letozaf_> balloons, :)
[21:46] <plars> balloons: aiui, there were some hw enablement changes dropping into 12.04.2 and assuming we have rc builds starting soon, the idea was to give extra time before release for testing. Do you have plans already for doing a call for testing centered around this?
[21:46] <letozaf_> balloons, I will pick a date with Sergio and Sergio and put it on the wiki :)
[21:46] <balloons> letozaf_, ty
[21:46] <primes2h> balloons: sure, I think it won't be in January, probably at the start of February
[21:47] <balloons> the hw stuff -- I only know about the boot stuff and kernel stuff
[21:47] <balloons> is there anything more?>
[21:48] <zyga> balloons: done
[21:48] <zyga> roadmr, primes2h ^^ :-)
[21:48] <roadmr> wha? that was quik\
[21:49] <balloons> zyga, <3
[21:50] <primes2h> balloons: plars: let us know, we can start a laptop testing instance on the tracker if so.
[21:51] <zyga> roadmr: I had to refactor some things to make it cleaner
[21:51] <roadmr> cleanr is good
[21:52] <plars> balloons: I don't have details, but the idea is that we'd like a lot of people to try it on their hardware given the nature of the changes
[21:53] <balloons> plars, ok, well.. as primes2h if the changes are invasive and wide-spread enough we can simply do a hw smoke test run
[21:53] <balloons> otherwise, we can target the kernel and boot packages
[21:53] <zyga> let me commit that quickly
[21:53] <balloons> plars, I guess a post on ubuntu-release should clear the air
[21:56] <letozaf_> good night guys. I'm going to bed :)
[21:57] <primes2h> me too! it's late here. ;-) good night!
[21:59] <zyga> roadmr: some of those jobs need attachment support
[21:59] <zyga> roadmr: so I'm just adding that
[22:00] <roadmr> zyga: oh cool! is it easy?
[22:02] <zyga> roadmr: yes
[22:03] <zyga> roadmr: obviously it will need some time to properly mature, get tests and other stuff written
[22:03] <zyga> roadmr: but it mostly works already
[22:03] <roadmr> yay :)
[22:05] <balloons> plars, I sent something into the ether that is the mailing list
[22:05]  * zyga wishes sylvain worked at night
[22:07] <roadmr> he's an early bird :/
[22:19] <zyga> ok
[22:19] <zyga> attachments work
[22:20] <zyga> I need a moment to create a few temporary commits
[22:20] <zyga> sudo support is not implemented, sadly, so a few things are missing
[22:30] <roadmr> zyga: I think sudo (or pkexec) support is scheduled for our next iteration, so yay!
[22:30] <roadmr> oh that'll be SO fun
[23:07] <zyga> balloons: ping me tomorrow for 'plainbox friendly' demo and code
[23:08] <balloons> zyga, ohh nice
[23:08] <zyga> if you want to play with it today:
[23:08] <zyga> https://code.launchpad.net/~zkrynicki/checkbox/friendly-hardware-profile
[23:08] <zyga> also on github at https://github.com/zyga/checkbox/tree/launchpad/friendly-hardware-profile
[23:09] <zyga> balloons: to use, see plainbox/README.md
[23:09] <zyga> balloons: then run plainbox friendly
[23:09] <zyga> balloons: it should take a few days for this to get cleaned up and then properly get into trunk (and subsequent release and ppa)
[23:09] <zyga> balloons: I'd appreciate some feedback though
[23:10] <zyga> balloons: and we still need the patch for .xml output
[23:10] <zyga> balloons: the full diff is here: https://github.com/zyga/checkbox/compare/launchpad;friendly-hardware-profile
[23:10] <balloons> ok great
[23:10]  * balloons looks quickly
[23:14] <zyga> balloons: one thing that I worry about just now is that the 'current' xml format is really suited for certification
[23:14] <zyga> balloons: and it probably carries a few 'odd' fields that make no sense
[23:14] <zyga> balloons: such as the hardware identifiers we use for certification
[23:15] <zyga> balloons: I would encourage you to start a discussion on how friendly should work
[23:15] <zyga> balloons: ideally on a public forum, so that everyone can join (maybe a small mailing list)
[23:15] <zyga> balloons: and do blog about it please
[23:15] <balloons> having yourself working on plainbox is very nice
[23:18] <zyga> balloons: the patch is bigger than it should be because I also added support for attachment jobs
[23:18] <zyga> balloons: also, example submission from my machine:
[23:20] <zyga> the submission, currently, is 1.4M for me
[23:20] <zyga> probably way bigger than it needs to be, can be gzipped too
[23:20] <zyga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1561090/
[23:20] <zyga> balloons: that's it, I'm off today
[23:23] <balloons> zyga, good stuff
[23:23] <balloons> ty


[21:38] <aloo_shu> anybody willing tohelp fix/conclude an ubuntustudio 16.04.3 86_64 installation? since ubiquity didn't offer *not* installing grub, I picked the usb install medium to avoid having it anywhere else, the resulting error crashed ubiquity. running grub-mkconfig from my primary linux, mint17 64bit, ustudio got picked up, but booted into initramfs shell, since it can't find the lvm partition it resides on. lvm does find it, but the correspinging padts i…
[21:38] <aloo_shu> …n the /dev tree are missing
[23:38] <aloo_shu> so maybe low latency kernel & initrd have problem w/ lvm, I just let myself drop into an initramfs shell of a linux on lvm that does work, and module dm_mirror & dependants/dependencies where loaded, not so in ubuntustudio initrd


[00:59] <[Kid]> what does everyone use for their juju controllers since they don't need to be metal really or anything that powerful? raspberry pi even?
[20:42] <kwmonroe> [Kid]: i use jaas (juju as a service)... not only do they not have to be metal, they don't even have to be yours!  https://jujucharms.com/jaas


[03:43] <sagaci> afternoon
[07:10] <benonsoftware> Hmm, doesn't look like there will be much of a meeting tonight
[08:19] <head_victim> benonsoftware: I'd be surprised to get much of a turnout on Easter Sunday. We probably should have thought of that.
[08:20] <benonsoftware> Yes
[09:05] <jaddi27> head_victim, Hopefully I will be at the meeting, but could possibly be late
[09:06] <benonsoftware> jaddi27: Good luck with your membership! :)
[09:07] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, Thanks for that. I actually still need to get some testimonials. The date crept up on me with all my uni work over the last few weeks
[09:08] <benonsoftware> I'll add a testimonial to your wiki when I wake up tomorrow :)
[09:16] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, That would be great. Thanks!
[09:16] <benonsoftware> No problem
[09:17] <head_victim> I'm just hoping there'll be quorum, it's possible I may not be there myself this month
[09:17] <jaddi27> head_victim, Hopefully there will be after the last few meetings
[09:31] <sagaci> evening jaddi27
[09:47] <head_victim> hm I can't seem to log into loco.u.c
[09:48] <head_victim> Keep getting an openid timeout :/
[09:48] <head_victim> Hah just as I whine it works.
[09:50] <sagaci> it's a bit temperamental
[09:58] <head_victim> So who's about for tonight's meeting?
[09:59] <sagaci> yep
[09:59] <sagaci> not much on the agenda
[10:00] <sagaci> postpone to May?
[10:01] <sagaci> there'll be news after the release, release parties and I'll be on the aeroplane back from UDS
[10:02]  * benonsoftware is
[10:03] <sagaci> i'll blog about it later, since I sorted that out today
[10:03] <head_victim> Heh nice work. I keep meaning to apply one of these releases for USD.
[10:03] <head_victim> UDS*
[10:04] <head_victim> What do they/don't they pay for?
[10:05] <sagaci> accommodation and travel
[10:05] <sagaci> well that's what you can apply for
[10:05] <sagaci> I have to travel to the nearest airport by car and pay for the bart train in san fran but that's negligible
[10:05] <sagaci> and food each day I guess
[10:06] <sagaci> travel was ~1500EUR
[10:06] <sagaci> from Tamworth NSW - Sydney - San Francisco and return
[10:07]  * benonsoftware hopes to attend the UDS is five or so years time :D
[10:08] <sagaci> for ubuntu 17.04 LTS
[10:08] <head_victim> Could see another one downunder at some stage :)
[10:08] <benonsoftware> One down here would be great :)
[10:09] <sagaci> I was hoping that too but it seems to be USA/Europe
[10:09] <sagaci> and passport and $14 ESTA
[10:10] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[10:11] <benonsoftware> At least you don't need all the VISA paperwork
[10:11] <head_victim> I sign for lots of people's passports but haven't got one myself.
[10:11] <head_victim> I was going to ask how hard it was to get a visa
[10:11] <sagaci> head_victim, for the US under 90 day visit it's an online form
[10:12] <head_victim> Ah ok, I was hearing other people had to do interviews and stuff
[10:12]  * benonsoftware doesn't have a passport yet
[10:12] <benonsoftware> head_victim: Some countries you do, I know someone who's interview is on the 11th
[10:12] <sagaci> that's probably for longer visits
[10:12] <head_victim> I had one when I was 15 or so but it never got used. Was meant to tour NZ for Rugby but ended up in hospital instead.
[10:12] <sagaci> Australia is part of the visa waiver progra
[10:13] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[10:13] <head_victim> Ah, see . All the stuff I have no idea on.
[10:13] <sagaci> head_victim, so you also sign birth certificates, etc?
[10:14] <head_victim> I certify copies of them lots.
[10:14] <head_victim> When I was volunteering at the courthouse I'd often do a hundred or so in a few hours.
[10:14] <sagaci> yeah
[10:15] <sagaci> I just wanted to get it without any complication, paid the extra $100 for two-day turnaround
[10:15] <sagaci> just to be safe... :/
[10:15] <head_victim> Better to be safe then sorry.
[10:15] <sagaci> yep
[10:16] <sagaci> head_victim, submitting any blueprints?
[10:16] <head_victim> Nah my time has really been starting to be drained lately :/
[10:18] <benonsoftware> I hate files that are corrupt :/
[10:18] <head_victim> benonsoftware: you shouldn't bribe them then ;)
[10:18] <jaddi27> so we are postponing the meeting? That is fine with me
[10:18] <sagaci> starts at something like 2 or 3am anyway
[10:18] <head_victim> Well I had a request from someone who contacted me directly as a new team member asking abotu a Melbourne meeting
[10:19] <head_victim> I was hoping someone would have some good news on that front but it's appearing unlikely.
[10:19] <jaddi27> a melbourne release party?
[10:19] <head_victim> Any sort of get together is what I think the person was after
[10:19] <head_victim> I'll end up pointing them to LUV if it comes to that.
[10:20]  * benonsoftware hides :/
[10:20] <sagaci> the sydney release party looks pretty healthy
[10:20] <head_victim> Yeah it's a bit odd with people signing up on loco.u.c. Sometimes they do, more often they don't and just rock up.
[10:21] <head_victim> I forgot to make them events on FB so it could get some air time there as well
[10:21] <jaddi27> I can make events for them on Facebook - it might just not be tonight, depending on my time
[10:21] <sagaci> I think that l.u.c and the mailing list are the most effective places
[10:22] <sagaci> can't wait... less than two weeks
[10:22] <head_victim> sagaci: yep but I try to utilise as many avenues as we have.
[10:22] <sagaci> I'll be holding an ubuntu day in July in sydney soon too
[10:22] <jaddi27> sagaci, We still get quite a few people looking at IRC meetings on Facebook events
[10:22] <head_victim> I'll be emailing HUMBUG closer to the date, feel free to send one to SLUG if you think it's appropriate (I have no idea how they go with that sort of thing)
[10:23] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah I sometimes look and see 50 odd people saying they're goign and 5 turn up :P
[10:23] <benonsoftware> Well I'm heading to bed
[10:23] <benonsoftware> Night all
[10:23] <head_victim> benonsoftware: night mate
[10:23] <jaddi27> benonsoftware, See you later
[10:23] <jaddi27> head_victim, At least we know they are seeing it though
[10:23] <head_victim> jaddi27: yep, that's the plan.
[10:28] <sagaci> it'll be interesting to see all these internet people
[10:28] <head_victim> Hah "interesting" is one way to say it :D
[10:29] <jaddi27> head_victim, sagaci: I have created the facebook events now
[10:29] <jaddi27> be back son
[10:29] <jaddi27> *soon
[10:30] <sagaci> great at least the times should be right
[10:35] <head_victim> I should double check the times of the release parties as well
[10:38] <head_victim> Hah, both are showing correct on my mobile
[10:41] <head_victim> jaddi27: nice work, I just signed up to the Brisbane one.
[10:42] <head_victim> Well on that note, I will probably abandon the internet for the evening, tomorrow I start a long drive.
[10:45] <jaddi27> head_victim, might see you in the meeting channel on tuesday. Have a good trip
[10:45] <sagaci> jaddi27, good luck
[10:50] <jaddi27> sagaci, thanks. If you think it is appropriate, would you be able to add a testimonial to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoelAddison#Testimonials
[11:02] <sagaci> sure


[00:45] <ESphynx> Will this DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH stuff work at all in Natty/Oneiric?
[00:45] <ESphynx> Or is it Precise+ ?
[01:14]  * skaet_ working on merging capistrano
[01:43] <ESphynx> How can I install dh-exec 0.3 on Precise? :|
[07:43] <dholbach> good morning
[15:24] <ESphynx> 'morning guys
[16:13] <jetsaredim> would it be reasonable to get bug 205509 fixed in quantal?
[16:18] <jetsaredim> I'm pretty sure I already have the fix that's needed to resolve that bug but I'm not sure the process to go about getting it pushed out to the quantal release
[16:18] <dholbach> I'm a bit busy - can somebody help jetsaredim with this? (it seems to be a fix which is raring already)
[16:19] <jetsaredim> dholbach: thx
[16:19] <dholbach> anytime
[16:59] <jetsaredim> anyone alive in here?
[17:28] <Adri2000> jetsaredim: do you know the SRU process?
[17:29] <Adri2000> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates that's the way to go to include a fix in quantal
[17:30] <bobweaver> Can someone help me with a watch file plz
[17:30] <bobweaver> http://mentors.debian.net/package/gimp-qmlexporter
[17:30] <bobweaver> I think that the tar comes from http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/gimp-qmlexporter/trees/master   But I do not know how to make debian/ watch   I tryed to make like
[17:30] <bobweaver> version=3
[17:31] <bobweaver>  <link_to_tar>   but that did not wolrk :?
[17:33] <bobweaver> I also tried to play with a bunch of regex to make work but
[17:33] <bobweaver> gitorious renders tar links on request
[17:34] <bobweaver> I will also ask on debian mentors thanks for your time
[17:36] <mitya57> jetsaredim, I've commented on that bug
[18:02] <jetsaredim> mitya57: yes - thanks - how can I push for this to get pushed to quantal?
[18:02] <mitya57> jetsaredim, please fill the fields I've added to the description
[18:04] <jetsaredim> mitya57: seems you already filled them in?
[18:05] <mitya57> jetsaredim, no, that's just a description of what should be there
[18:06] <jetsaredim> mitya57: then I guess I'm missing what you want me to fill in
[18:10] <mitya57> jetsaredim, you should edit the description of bug 205509 as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[18:11] <mitya57> (that's not something _I_ want, the package won't be accepted until it's done)
[18:12] <jetsaredim> mitya57: ok - i just didn't get what you were asking me to do - i'm happy to do it
[18:13] <mitya57> for example, replace my "# Detailed instructions how to reproduce the bug." with actual instructions
[18:13] <mitya57> and so on for each of 4 fields
[18:14] <jetsaredim> yes i see that now
[18:14] <jetsaredim> thanks
[21:46] <jtaylor> can a u-dev-tools dev remove the ipython suggest from -dev-tools its not needed since lp-shell was moved
[21:47] <jtaylor> (if you do it directly its probably faster than when I make  pull request ._.
[21:47] <Laney> you can do it directly
[21:48] <jtaylor> I have push rights as motu?
[21:48] <Laney> as ubuntu-dev
[21:49] <jtaylor> nice, to lptools too?
[21:49] <jtaylor> there the suggest is missing
[21:49] <Laney> probably not that
[21:58] <jtaylor> is lp:ubuntu/ubuntu-dev-tools the correct branch?
[22:00] <jtaylor> probably lp:ubuntu-dev-tools


[09:23] <rmg51> Morning
[12:08] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[14:24] <ChinnoDog> So yesterday I tried to eliminate screen tearing on netflix on my laptop. I discovered by running xrandr that the resolutions with my native aspect ratio (16:9) don't have vsync. I tried to add new modelines with vsync enabled but they don't work. Attempting to switch to the new modes causes the screen to flash but they are ignored. Anyone have any experience making this work correctly?
[15:05] <teddy-dbear> nope
[15:19] <WorkingTurkey> ChinnoDog: does vsync solve the problem?
[15:19] <WorkingTurkey> my x220 has had this problem for EVER
[15:20] <WorkingTurkey> on everything
[15:20] <WorkingTurkey> i don't know why vsync is not working by default
[15:20] <WorkingTurkey> it's intel hd3000
[15:21] <ChinnoDog> I believe it will. There are other causes of tearing but vsync is the primary cause.
[15:21] <WorkingTurkey> i'd love a solution for it
[15:23] <ChinnoDog> run 'xrandr --verbose' and see which modes have +VSync
[15:33] <ChinnoDog> You may also have to enable vsync in your video driver settings. I haven't gotten that far yet.


[00:22] <studio-user481> Hello. I have an issue.
[00:23] <studio-user481> Is anyone here and listening?
[14:10] <sirriffsalotlen> Gotta say I'm tempted to get the TASCAM US-16x08 USB Audio Interface... Anyone here tested it on GNU/Lin?


[08:31] <helpjeff_> hello
[08:31] <helpjeff_> i find driver for lexmark z735
[08:31] <helpjeff_> penpriniting write z730 work properly with generic postscript
[08:31] <helpjeff_> but not z735
[08:38] <helpjeff_> thank you
[10:09] <patxi> Hi all,
[10:10] <patxi> which file should I configure to use LDM by clients?
[10:10] <patxi> Right now, it shows GDM, but ldm is installed on /opt/ltsp/i286 chroot
[03:12] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:13] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, I added some options handling to ltsp-upate-kernels, ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image
[03:28] <stgraber> hi sbalneav
[03:28] <sbalneav> Hey stgraber
[03:29] <stgraber> sbalneav: while you are at it, I noticed that ltsp-build-client does't copy /etc/apt/apt.conf to the chroot
[03:29] <stgraber> sbalneav: and then doesn't work with http proxy
[03:29] <stgraber> sbalneav: can you quickly fix that as well ?
[03:29] <stgraber> sbalneav: I solved it by adding the cp before doing the apt-get update
[03:30] <sbalneav> Well, that one I'd want to check out with ogra before making the change.
[03:30] <sbalneav> I'm unsure he'd even like what I've done so far :)
[03:31] <sbalneav> Let me have a look in my tree here.  You say if you pass a proxy in the command line it doesn't put that in the chroot?
[03:31] <stgraber> sbalneav: yep
[03:31] <stgraber> sbalneav: I tried doing HTTP_PROXY="http://...." ltsp-build-client
[03:32] <stgraber> but didn't work (as apt doesn't care of the HTTP_PROXY IIRC, it needs a /etc/apt/apt.conf file)
[03:33] <sbalneav> Did you use the --mirror command line option?
[03:33] <stgraber> no
[03:34] <sbalneav> Try it with that, see if it copies that into the chroot.
[03:34] <stgraber> It was : ltsp-build-client --prompt-rootpass --dist gutsy
[03:34] <stgraber> (as I'm running a gutsy ltsp chroot on feisty edubuntu server)
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya
[04:12] <sbalneav> heading up for breakfast
[05:13] <EXP3> has anyone used edubuntu with LTSP?
[11:07] <JonNoob> Please help.. My ltsp clients won't login. The loginscreen disapers for a few seconds and goes to black and the returns. Auth.log shows the user being authorized, and a session is being started.


 woo, the opo is here. going to try 16.04 on it first
 @AngelDMercedes, Yay I'm not the only one :B
 It broke me lol
 I got it to boot pretty much everything but ubports
 [Edit] I got it to boot pretty much everything but ubports (well, Unity 8 - the rootfs boots but Mir/Unity 8 won't play nice)
 So interesting. Telegram crashed on me and I still get notifications but I’m back at the welcome and enter your phone number screen. On 16.04
 yeah that's happened to me too
 @Lyokanthrope, Glad I’m not the only one
 Is cloudmusic available for for 16.04 bcuz I saw a video by geotechland in which cloudmusic is installed on 16.04 nexus 5
 check the open store
[09:29] <ubptgbot> <Dave S> @Vladimir, Anyone know whats happening to dekko 2 and Xenial?
 What do you mean? Dekko2 is being develop for xenial but it is not ready yet
 Hmm Dave removed his question ^ 😋
[09:33] <ubptgbot> <Dave S> @advocatux, OK just wondered how it was progressing as I need an email client.
 @Dave S, if you have gmail, there is a webapp that works wel enough (as a temp solution)https://open-store.io/app/gmail.google
 @Dave S, 👍 This is issue tracker https://gitlab.com/dekkoproject/dekko/issues
 Hey together. Interesting discussion going on in our matrix room #ubports:matrix.org
 Norbert from the german company regionetz.net offered to host a ubports matrix homeserver. We are currently discussing name proposals over there.
 @YougoChats, Not available
 🤷♂
 @John_athan, you might need to download the vivid version from the web site and install it manually, to get it under 16.04, right now
 @John_athan, Not yet
 yay mir 0.32
 https://community.ubuntu.com/t/mir-0-32-0-release/6774
 @mariogrip can we haz mir 0.32 for the unity8 session on 18.04? :D
 @popescu_sorin, yes we can!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/iynBhqDS.webp
 https://github.com/ubports/mir/tree/bionic \o/
 wohoooo :D
 can we have it on UT? 😻
 that was fast lol
 will unity8 on 18.04 be the "next big thing" for the core team to focus on?
 (for desktop / laptop use)
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/UlSJT1rq.mp4
 @rogieroudshoorn, next big thing is to bring the new unity8 and mir to phones
 16.04
 ah so moving to 18.04 to get it is a lot more work then?
 but nice to know :)
 yeah, systemd is the problem there
 upstart is so much better :)
 really? for the relatively simple stuff i work with it's pretty brilliant
[12:58] <bshah> systemdhate!
[12:58] <bshah> systemdisevil!
[12:58] <bshah> !!!
 someone has a highlight ;)
 what kind of problems is systemd causing?
 @rogieroudshoorn, it needs extra kernel configs, and update of all our start up files and service files
[13:11] <bshah> mariogrip *yawn*
[13:11] <bshah> :P
[13:12] <bshah> okay now I will stop trolling :P
 (Photo, 2560x1536) https://irc.ubports.com/OE04lmBG.png
[13:14] <bshah> needs glossy screen ;)
[13:14] <bshah> err
[13:14] <bshah> wait
[13:14] <bshah> that IS glossy screen
[13:14] <bshah> it needs matte screen
 @bshah, You will never stop trolling :P
 @mariogrip, nice :D
 btw.. i get a black screen :/
 do i need anything else? QtMir something?
 strange... i only see old entries in journalctl —user-unit unity8.service
 humm
 i will do a clean unstall
 @popescu_sorin, can you see if /usr/share/wayland-sessions/unity8.desktop exists_
 @popescu_sorin, [Edit] can you see if /usr/share/wayland-sessions/unity8.desktop exists?
 It,s not
 ah!
 i found the problem
 this failed to build https://ci.ubports.com/blue/organizations/jenkins/unity8-desktop-session/detail/bionic/3/pipeline
 pushed a fix for that
 Yay
 https://ci.ubports.com/blue/organizations/jenkins/unity8-desktop-session/detail/bionic/4/pipeline
 once thats built, just do apt update and upgrade and try again
 also i have added a new config for hidpi screens
 ``` … cat ~/.unity8/configs.conf  … SCALE=2```
 if you have an hidpi screen you can set scaling there
 thanks :D
 what's the res on the XPS? 4k?
 i haz 1080p
 30 dpi wololo no joke
 i use a cheap tv...
 as a monitor right now
 @mariogrip, nice!
 is it integer only? :P
 @popescu_sorin, yes 4k 3000x2000 ish, i dont have an exact number
 @vanyasem, it does float to
 it calculates it
 @mariogrip, WOOOOW!
 that's so awesome
 3200x1800 is not 4k
 but the newer ones are actual 4k (3840x2160)
 @popescu_sorin it's done building :D
 @mariogrip, yay apt list —upgradable  … Listing... Done … unity8-desktop-session/bionic,bionic 1.0.14+ubports+0~20180629135525.4~1.gbp8868f1 all [upgradable from: 1.0.14+ubports+0~20180221184021.2~1.gbpfb44cd]
 @mariogrip still nope, now i'm bouncing back to lightdm
 ls /usr/share/wayland-sessions/ … plasmawayland.desktop  unity8.desktop
 iun 29 17:15:39 pixel-desktop systemd[2062]: Starting Unity Shell v8... … iun 29 17:15:40 pixel-desktop unity8-session[2307]: [2018-06-29:17:15:40.914] Failed to create display (No such file or directory) … iun 29 17:15:41 pixel-desktop unity8-session[2307]: /usr/bin/unity8-session: line 75: [: !=: unary operator expected … iu
[14:18] <ubptgbot> n 29 17:15:41 pixel-desktop unity8-session[2307]: /usr/bin/unity8-session: line 79: kill: (2350) - No such process … iun 29 17:15:41 pixel-desktop systemd[2062]: Started Unity Shell v8.
 remember to select the unity8 on wayland one
 oh :D
 on wayland?
 @dohbee, the logind session is called that, it does not use or run on wayland
 Was logind support merged into mir? ^.;
 [Edit] Was logind support merged into mir? ^.^
 lol wut
 @vanyasem, yup
 @popescu_sorin, you can also use any DM i use the one comming with kubuntu
 @mariogrip, Sddm?
 jep that one
 I use it on my nexus 5x
 @mariogrip, but i don't see the unity8 wayland session, i have plasma (wayland), plasma (x11) and unity8
 so there is only one unity8 session
 and it bounces back to lightdm
 @popescu_sorin, looks like a bug in the session start script
 humm, let me try with lightdm real quick
 @dohbee, humm yeah looking at it  line 75: [: !=: unary operator expected
 cat /usr/bin/lightdm-unity8-session … #!/bin/sh  … # -*- Mode: sh; indent-tabs-mode: nil; tab-width: 2 -*- … # TODO: The following block is to work around the OOBE wizard for the phone. … #       See LP: #1435877. … # From mterry: This should be removed, I think; I believe our wizard should run … #              for the user ev
[14:25] <ubptgbot> en on the desktop (it does in snappy, and … #              should on classic too).  But I'm writing this late in the … #              zesty cycle and don't want to change anything now. … if [ ! -f $HOME/.config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run ]; then …   mkdir -p $HOME/.config/ubuntu-system-settings …   touch $HOME/.config/ubuntu-system-setti
[14:25] <ubptgbot> ngs/wizard-has-run … fi … systemctl —user import-environment … systemctl —user set-environment MIR_SERVER_VT=$XDG_VTNR … dbus-update-activation-environment —systemd QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland … dbus-update-activation-environment —systemd UBUNTU_PLATFORM_API_BACKEND=desktop_mirclient … /usr/lib/gnome-session/run-systemd-session unity8.service … dbus-up
[14:25] <ubptgbot> date-activation-environment —systemd QT_QPA_PLATFORM= … dbus-update-activation-environment —systemd UBUNTU_PLATFORM_API_BACKEND= … exit 0
 (Please don't paste long content in telegram)
 k
 (Deleting it doesn't help IRC has already been damaged)
 :P
 :))
 sorry IRC
 speaking of IRC, is the matrix bridge broken? someone was saying there was some discussion in matrix earlier, but it wasn't appearing in here
[14:28] <bshah> matrix ubports channel and #ubports on freenode is not linked
[14:28] <bshah> neither is telegram and ubports on matrix
 we should do what we do in halium just link irc and it will use this irc bridge to bridge over
[14:29] <bshah> yep
 That's what it already does
 @mariogrip, i did manage to start the session
 You can join... #freenode_#ubports:matrix.org, I think
 from tty
 But the Matrix-IRC bridge has been down more and more recently
 QT_QPA_PLATFORM=mirserver unity8
 @popescu_sorin, but this doesn't start the session, because it's not systemd running it, and thus the other systemd jobs which depend on the unity8 job
 don't know what it does but it loads unity8 X-)
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/Msj0aRgG.png
 Wooo! :D
 but still not the correct thouhg
 could you try creating ~/.unity8 folder just to see if it's my fault
 why add new "SCALE" thing though?
 @mariogrip, yep
 uuu c/p works now
 so it was my fault :P ok will fix that
 @mariogrip, so, still nope :D bounces back to login screen
 ok so it was not much fault
 :D
 same
 iun 29 17:42:18 pixel-desktop systemd[2046]: Starting Unity Shell v8... … iun 29 17:42:20 pixel-desktop unity8-session[2290]: [2018-06-29:17:42:20.408] Failed to create display (No such file or directory) … iun 29 17:42:20 pixel-desktop unity8-session[2290]: /usr/bin/unity8-session: line 75: [: !=: unary operator expected … iu
[14:45] <ubptgbot> n 29 17:42:20 pixel-desktop unity8-session[2290]: /usr/bin/unity8-session: line 79: kill: (2355) - No such process … iun 29 17:42:20 pixel-desktop systemd[2046]: Started Unity Shell v8.
 cat -n /usr/bin/unity8-session | grep -e 75 -e 79 …     75  while [ $(ps —no-headers -o state $child) != "T" ]; do …     79  kill -CONT $child
 but what does it mean o_O
 Send SIGCONTINUE to all children
 well the while loop is broken
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jcVyw9GY.webp
 hey look a usb "monitor" https://www.amazon.com/Logic-Controls-Pole-Display-LV4000U/dp/B00BRF7V68
 oops was gonna ask if that works with the driver i found on uphone ohw well
 If you have a technical question related to your UBports device, ask it. You don't need to link Amazon. Thank you :)
 So this is weird... Click is magically doing what it's supposed to on my FP2 now.
 upgraded from xenial and picking the correct version of preinstalled versus old updates?
 And the open store running is the xenial version even though the vivid version is out in /opt/
 Not sure if a bug or not. Whenever I try to open a file within an app (example kiwix)  or try to import my own wallpaper, I don't have file manager as an option. (16.04)
 @AlexanderPlaza, Yes it's a known bug.
 File manager is not showing up anywhere. So you cannot open files or attach anything
 because it's a deb i guess
 Alright, yep
 Clicks are okay now
 @mariogrip weird.. so i had the same problem with egmde session + lightdm, changed to gdm3 and now the session loads. you are using sddm, right? maybe it's something wrong with lighdm? :/
 @UniversalSuperBox, Took you a while
 @rupansh, Need to test thoroughly
 Also, what?
 You had the problem since 22 or something rihgt?
 I've had two sessions actually working on it
 But if you feel that it was too slow, I'd always appreciate more contributors
 @rupansh, how rude.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Aye didn't mean it in a bad way
 Just wanted to ask the root cause and how you fixed nothing else
 Well, it was definitely broke before but now it isn't
 No one touched it
 Oxford comma is a friend, too
 It was always supposed to work like this, but before it didn't
 And now it did
 [Edit] And now it does
 *thinking low-res sticker*
 Was it a DT problem or Ubports problem?
 @UniversalSuperBox, magic
 It's possible that something rebuilt somewhere else, but that seems unlikely
 Rebuilt somewhere else and fixed it*
 @popescu_sorin, humm, yeah maybe it is
 (Sticker, 336x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Qykx0N5A.webp
 well it could be a race condition
 wouldn't be the first one in that code :)
 I thought you were kinda joking when you said "rewrite it in C++"
 But now I understand
 it's writting in vala, thats a big problem
 @mariogrip, Whats vala though OOP+C?
 no
 it is vala, which is transpiled to C
 Then
 wew
 it's a very nice way to write gtk+/glib apps
 I see. Sounds pretty interesting
 or a simplistic library that's only accessed via introspection
 Really weird for a primarily Qt OS to have picked it up
 But it probably made it easier to make the PackageKit plugin
 it wasn't primarily qt when it was written
 Oh yeah
 click scope was originally written in vala too, for example
 yeah, vala was a reasonable choice for click for several reasons, at that time
 it just never got rewritten, and the replacement plan was "ubuntu personal" based on snaps
 but that's all over now
 @mariogrip changed back to lightdm and now the egdme session starts x-) . i'll take a break now
 Aha, click is broken on the Nexus 5
 So yeah
 #RodeyWasProbablyRight
 @dohbee, Mmm Ubuntu Phone using snaps, that would have been cool
 @AlexanderPlaza, tada.. snaps on ubuntu touch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHE5THEWq7c
 i was able to install / remove snaps, there were also some snaps apps like terminal, calendar etc
 but only managed to run the hello world (cli) snap
 Published on Feb 12, 2017
 @mariogrip changed to sddm, same thing (bounce back to sddm) so it's probably something else wrong, maybe it's my install
 oh well
 @popescu_sorin, so it just sometimes work, or did it not work at all?
 didn't work at all from the greeter (lightdm or sddm)
 the only way to start unity8 is to jump to a TTY and type "https://t.me/ubports/137600"
 [Edit] the only way to start unity8 is to jump to a TTY and type "QT_QPA_PLATFORM=mirserver unity8"
 maybe try `apt install --reinstall unity8 unity8-desktop-session`
 let's see :D
 ah! i think i found the issue! i just did that on my laptop
 still nope :D same as before
 i'll take a break for now :D hopefully other ppl will try the session
 @popescu_sorin I just fixed it :D
 apt update and upgrade and magic
 @mariogrip muhahaha iz works!
 but there is still something strange, it didn't the first time, i had to login twice
 YAY :D
 first time bounched to sddm and second time worked :DDDDD
 \o/
 @popescu_sorin, yeah it's still a bit buggy. but now that we got logind support we can start working on making it more stable :D
 yeah :D stable is nice
 😃👍
 @popescu_sorin, happened the same for me
 is it just me or is the scroll wheel inverted?
 when i scroll up it scrolls down, i've seen the same thing with egdme
 hmm nautilu is not working for me after logging out back to gnome 18.04
 o_O
 its not opening anymore lol
 restart
 yup now it works again
 but yeah, unity8 works now fine again :)
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/0linYad6.png
 ew nautilus
 :))
 Dolphin ftw
 @malditobastardo btw telegram works on unity8
 TG Desktop 1.3 is not showing up for me in the scopes
 i'm pretty sure it's still using xmir for stuff
 but yes, It used to work
 @malditobastardo, are you using snap?
 No no, normal one from the Sotware ctr
 oh, weird
 Yes because its like @popescu_sorin said, it used to work before, at least for me now its not working
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/6P8nECKr.png
 Why must you all tempt me so
 telegram, solitaire (gtk3) and kate (qt5)
 I've got work to do, I can't be installing Ubuntu 18.04 right now. :P
 :))
 @UniversalSuperBox, you can do it in background in a VM :P
 naaah
 I'm a bare metal kinda guy
 (Also that'd take seven years to download)
 @popescu_sorin, Any doc to install and test unity 8 on 18.04 ?
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/AEBl97fH.png
 Gotta tests lots of devices
 (Not pictured: The FP2 which just started up)
 @Ern_st, yep, here you go https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools
 you just need to run the script and it will install a unity8-session
 and then from the login screen select unity8
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/P5UOh11U.png
 I think I have a problem
 @UniversalSuperBox, Only one has openstore at the top left hand corner?
 @AlexanderPlaza, You only get that when you have enough horizontal real estate
 Phones do not
 @popescu_sorin, Thanks
 Oh, interesting. Either click or system-image-upgrader removes old versions of apps if a deeper database contains a newer version
 system-image doesn't touch clicks
 I guess it's click then
 Hello to everyone
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/x50OLIrb.mp4
 Thank you
 I have a log file. Could you tell me why the error is? I am using samsung j5 (j5lte).
 I am curious about the solution
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/SGpz44cz.null
 samsung j5 is not a supported device
 why would you even attempt to install UT on it
 Because it's not terribly obvious why devices are or aren't supported to someone familiar with the common Linux "Install anywhere" idea
 It's a memory problem. what should I do?. also the only phone to eliminate :)
 Are you installing your own port or...?
 port :(
 but I could not zip it.
 Correct
 Well
 How am I going to get zipped?
 There is no way to do that, since Halium isn't distributed as a zip ever. You'll probably want to use this alternative installation method: http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/install-build/reference-rootfs.html#install-rootfs-and-system-img-alternative-method
 Replace `-p halium` with `-p ut`
 I am doing it with sailfish os. that command does not work.
 What are you doing with sailfish OS
 I'm going from his source.
 That's... probably not going to work?
 But you'll still need to use tha script to install
 systemimage not build.
 ninja: error: '/home/enes/hadk/out/target/product/j5lte/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libOpenSLES_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/home/enes/hadk/out/target/product/j5lte/obj/EXECUTABLES/bootanimation_intermediates/import_includes', missing and no known rule to make it … make: *** [ninja_wrapper] Error 1
 @popescu_sorin, Does it break something else ?
 @ankaos, Please join @halium and direct questions there for porting it to a new device.
 ok
 @Ern_st, No :)


[00:00] <neversfelde> I have still no solution for http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/346174/
[00:00] <neversfelde> is this a problem with translations from launchpad?
[01:05] <nixternal> anyone fixing qt4 or know a work around for /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon -> . link?
[01:05] <nixternal> or do we have to patch packages in order for them to build properly?
[01:07] <nixternal> #include <Phonon/Mediaobject> doesn't work when MediaObject contains '#include "../../phonon/mediaobject.h"
[01:07] <nixternal> you go back 2 directories you are in /usr/include/
[01:08] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, hi :D Merry christmas
[01:08] <nixternal> merry xmas to you too
[01:08] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, how's it going
[01:10] <nixternal> it's going
[01:10] <nixternal> you have got to be kidding me, spammers are attacking LP now? insane
[01:10] <nixternal> bug 60340
[01:10] <nixternal> the last 2 comments are spam...that is awesome :/
[01:11] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, yah, a lot of mailing lists are getting spam as well, I see a lot of that over in gnome moderators
[01:11] <nixternal> it is expected to get spam on mailing lists, but freakin' bug reports?
[01:12] <nixternal> never in my life have I seen a bug report get spammed
[01:12] <neversfelde> ha nixternal :)
[01:12] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, spammers don't have anything better to do
[01:12] <neversfelde> what is wrong here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/346174/ ?
[01:12] <nixternal> still isn't the point
[01:13] <nixternal> neversfelde: that happen with a uupdate?
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if uupdate can handle source format 3.0...
[01:14] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, does launchpad use spam assassin
[01:14] <nixternal> no idea
[01:14] <neversfelde> nixternal: yes
[01:14] <nixternal> I just had an issue with uupdate as well
[01:15] <nixternal> now I am facing another issue though with libphonon-dev doing a symlink in the same directory with Phonon -> .
[01:15] <nixternal> that will not work
[01:15] <nixternal> I don't know where to begin with the fix...it seems correct in Karmic but incorrect in Lucid
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> oh, that could be due to the patch that patches Phonon up to the copy in kde svn's API
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> hope you like 8,000 line diffs :)
[01:19] <nixternal> hrmm, libphonon-dev is supposed to replace libqt4phonon-dev, but they are both installed..that is interesting
[01:20]  * nixternal wonders if that is the damn problem
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> libqt4-phonon-dev is the transitional package now
[01:20] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, hope i am not bothering you too much, I picked another task of investigating the status of bugzilla <-> launchpad integration is that okay with you
[01:20] <nixternal> don't bother me, but that isn't up to me
[01:21] <nixternal> i would think that is something for LP devs, or maybe Riddell, or someone with at least dev accounts on both bugzilla and launchpad
[01:21] <nixternal> nothing we can integrate, has to be done by both kde sysadmins and lp admins
[01:24] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: can you 'ls -l /usr/include/qt4/phonon/Phonon' and see if it points to . for you
[01:24] <nixternal> I wonder if this is just an issue with my lucid box
[01:24] <nixternal> because I noticed in pbuilder I didn't have that issue
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> I get a bunch of header files
[01:25] <nixternal> yeah, in my /usr/include/qt4/phonon, Phonon is a link to /usr/include/qt4/phonon
[01:25] <nixternal> hrmm
[01:26] <nixternal> hah, something is definitely wrong with mine
[01:26] <nixternal> dpkg: /usr/include/qt4/phonon/MediaObject not found
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> you know, there was a mysterious jaunty -> karmic upgrade bug where cmake wouldn't find phonon includes until you reinstalled either libphonon-dev or kdelibs5-dev (can't remember which, or if you needed both)
[01:28] <nixternal> yeah, that was me and you working that one out now that I remember
[01:28] <nixternal> I wonder what I funked up when I was doing that
[01:29] <nixternal> there, fixed it
[01:46] <ScottK> Nice:
[01:47] <ScottK> Unpacking kdevplatform-dev (from .../kdevplatform-dev_0.9.96-0ubuntu3_powerpc.deb) ...
[01:47] <ScottK> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdevplatform-dev_0.9.96-0ubuntu3_powerpc.deb (--unpack):
[01:47] <ScottK>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDevPlatform.cmake', which is also in package kdelibs5-dev 4:4.3.85-0ubuntu4
[01:49] <nixternal> hrmm, I thought that one got fixed
[01:50] <nixternal> both files are exactly the same last I checked, so we can not install it from kdevplatform
[01:50] <nixternal> wow, so we don't need to install it from kdevplatform
[01:51] <ScottK> That one made kdevelop FTBFS on powerpc.
[01:52] <nixternal> really?
[01:52] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/4:3.9.97a-0ubuntu1/+build/1399802/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-powerpc.kdevelop_4:3.9.97a-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:52] <ScottK> Now it's possible it was with an old kdevplatform.
[01:52] <nixternal> oh oh, yeah, that was fixed I thought, seeing as it was also the same problem with kdevelop on every other platform as well
[01:53] <nixternal> I got the latest kdevelop this week, so I figured it was fixed
[01:53] <ScottK> Yes, it was the old one.
[01:53]  * ScottK retries
[01:53] <nixternal> yeah, maybe powerpc wasn't retried
[01:53] <nixternal> right now I am trying to build ktorrent 4.0~beta1 so I can test magnet links
[01:53] <ScottK> It was, just recently.
[01:53] <nixternal> interesting
[01:54] <nixternal> did kdevplatform that was fixed build for powerpc?
[01:54] <ScottK> It did, but not enough before that attempt to get used.
[01:54] <nixternal> ahhh
[01:54] <ScottK> So the retry now should work.
[01:54] <shtylman> nixternal: are we gonna see the feedback widget in the official install this time around?
[01:55] <ScottK> If only there were some core-dev who was familiar enough with it to decide to add it to the seeds.
[01:55] <nixternal> the final release or the alpha/beta/rc releases?
[01:55] <shtylman> any/all?
[01:55] <nixternal> any, yes, all I don't know about final release...that isn't up to me
[01:56] <ScottK> nixternal: You still got the powerpc box?
[01:56] <nixternal> I think I may have to redo the survey as I had received emails about them being to vague or something
[01:56] <nixternal> ScottK: yes, but it is not hooked up at all, nor does it even have Kubuntu on it right now
[01:56] <nixternal> I will have to find my kvm switch and get that hooked up in the next day or so
[01:56] <ScottK> Any chance of you making a lucid chroot on it?
[01:56] <nixternal> not tonight there isn't...maybe in the next day or so I could
[01:57] <nixternal> I will try to do that tomorrow...and when it is up and running, I will give you an account on it
[01:57] <ScottK> I have no idea how to figure this one out without hardware: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1/+build/1399782/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-powerpc.amarok_2:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:57] <ScottK> It's the last KDE app in Main not building.
[13:31] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: is this correct to fix the bilbo/blogilo problem http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/347004/ ?
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: Almost.   You did get 3 inches of snow.
[19:16] <nixternal> ScottK: haha, true...anyways, time to go push snow
[19:17] <Quintasan> tsssk fkcing router
[19:17] <Quintasan> god damnit why it just won't work?!
[19:18] <ScottK> Where would be the fun in that?
[19:18] <Quintasan> ScottK: can you ping quintasan.dyndns.org?
[19:19] <ScottK> PING quintasan.dyndns.org (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[19:19] <ScottK> 17 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 16121ms
[19:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: can you access it via web browser
[19:20]  * Quintasan got at least one issue down
IMMA FIRIN' MAH LAZER!!</title>
[19:20] <Quintasan> woah
[19:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: please also try connecting ssh -p 666 quintasan.dyndns.org
[19:21] <ScottK> RSA key fingerprint is 34:d2:eb:c1:1c:f3:ef:df:11:8e:b2:95:3b:a0:bd:4f.
[19:21] <Quintasan> hmmm
[19:21] <Quintasan> okay
[19:21] <Quintasan> I wonder why I can't access it like this
[19:22] <Quintasan> ScottK:
[19:22] <Quintasan> Thanks :P
[19:23] <ScottK> If you are trying from inside the same network, I'm guessing things get confused trying to connect to a NAT'ed address from inside the NAT IP space.
[19:24] <Quintasan> Well, I guess my previous router was smarter :P
[19:47] <ScottK> If someone is looking for work to do, figuring out what needs to get promoted to Main to get koffice to build might be useful: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/1:2.1.0-0ubuntu3
[19:49] <crimsun> besides "Missing build dependencies: libglew1.5-dev"?
[19:51] <ScottK> That would be the place to start.
[19:51]  * ScottK doesn't know if that's the only one.
[19:52] <ScottK> Since this is the first time we've tried to get koffice 2 in Main, I suspect there's a stack of them needed.
[19:52] <Quintasan> libopenctl-dev, pstoedit <-- not in main
[19:56] <ScottK> So check and see if MIR are already written and if not, that's what needs doing.
[19:57] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[20:23] <stalcup> sup
[20:25] <Quintasan> stalcup: I'm in ur computerz, eating ur gigahuntz
[20:25] <Quintasan> :P
[20:25] <stalcup> :o
[20:25] <Quintasan> stalcup: got tons of cheese cake if that's interesting :P
[20:26] <stalcup> it'ts a tad tricky, but well worth the effort
[20:27] <Quintasan> well, I'm off to get some more :P
[20:29] <Quintasan> <3 cheese cake
[20:38] <amik> what is the difference between selecting 'try kubuntu' or 'install kubuntu' from the livecd menu? looks the same to me...
[20:38] <ScottK> Try Kubuntu runs in the live environment.  Install should take you straight to the installer
[20:38] <Quintasan> amichair: Install Kubuntu launches installer directly and you theoriticaly can't use plasma deskto
[20:38] <Quintasan> :)
[20:39] <amichair> oh, then I guess it doesn't work. I get the same result using both.
[20:39] <amichair> just the regular desktop, with install icon.
[20:40] <amichair> (using daily desktop amd64 iso)
[20:41] <ScottK> amichair: Please file a bug on Ubiquity and then ping shtylman.
[20:42]  * Quintasan needs to switch to lucid now
[21:00] <_Groo_> hi/2 all , anyone alive?
[21:01] <amichair> _Groo_: hi
[21:01] <Quintasan> _Groo_: sup
[21:02] <_Groo_> hey Quintasan, amichair
[21:03] <_Groo_> i cant upload my virtuoso 5.0.12 to my ppa, it stops everytime when 1KB is missing :P can i send the debian/ to one of you guys to make a virtuoso temporary ppa while we wait for debian?
[21:04] <_Groo_> Quintasan: btw, kudos for becoming a motu :)
[21:05] <_Groo_> and someone PLS PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAASEEEEEEE update koffice to 2.1 or newer?
[21:05] <_Groo_> in lucid
[21:06] <stalcup> win 15
[21:08] <amichair> sorry _Groo_, not my bowl of soup. I'm doing mostly coding, dunno much about packaging...
[21:08] <Quintasan> _Groo_: thanks
[21:08] <Quintasan> _Groo_: we are working on it
[21:09] <Quintasan> though I'm fighting with Gluon now
[21:09] <_Groo_> amichair: thats ok, i could fix koffice, but my question is that packages.ubuntu tells it already has 2.1 but the update just brings 2.0.2... not compiled yet?
[21:09] <Quintasan> _Groo_: give me the diff.gz
[21:09] <ScottK> _Groo_: Correct.  It's in Main now and build-deps are still in Universe.
[21:10] <_Groo_> Quintasan: how do i make only a diff.gz?
[21:10] <Quintasan> _Groo_: just do a debuild -S
[21:10] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ok, hold on
[21:10] <_Groo_> i also did a new rekonq 0.3.29... very cool, kget and kwallet integration, interested?
[21:11] <Quintasan> _Groo_: I'm not rekonq maintainer so I won't mess with it :P
[21:12] <_Groo_> Quintasan: who is?
[21:12] <DaSkrEEcH> Gluon won't package?
[21:12] <Quintasan> Dunno
[21:12] <Quintasan> DaSkrEEcH: it will, but I'm working with upstream to determine where we should hold cmake modules
[21:12] <Quintasan> DaSkrEEcH: you need it?
[21:12] <DaSkrEEcH> Sort of like how i can't install anything higher than kipi-plugins 0.7 though 1.0 is obviously on the server?
[21:12] <DaSkrEEcH> Quintasan: need is a strong word
[21:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: do you have a idea why quilt is not called when there is a build-depend and patches folder in debian/ ? I'm using kde.mk from pkg-kde-tools
[21:13] <Quintasan> DaSkrEEcH: so?
[21:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: Is there a series file?
[21:14] <ScottK> debian/patches/seris
[21:14] <Quintasan> ScottK: yus
[21:14] <ScottK> series
[21:14] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i believe you need to explicitly tell pkg-kde-tools to use it with --quilt
[21:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: What _Groo_ said.
[21:14] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:14] <Quintasan> in rules?
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: same here, the larger the orig tar is over 20 MB, the more likely the upload is to fail at 1 byte. (for me, anyways)
[21:15] <_Groo_> Quintasan: yeah, dh --kde --quilt of something like that
[21:15] <Quintasan> oh, I'm doing include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk
[21:15] <Quintasan> not dh
[21:15] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yeah, i tried to upload virtuoso three times before quitting
[21:15] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ah, then you need to explicitly add the quilt.mk and add it to the build in rules
[21:16] <DaSkrEEcH> _Groo_: 5.0.12?
[21:16] <_Groo_> DaSkrEEcH: yep
[21:16] <DaSkrEEcH> Quintasan: no
[21:16] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: maybe it's a problem with ppa?
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> oops, meant to highlight Groo :P
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> happens with the main archive too
[21:17] <Quintasan> @:
[21:17] <Quintasan> 	dh --kde --quilt
[21:17] <Quintasan> is this good?
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> dh --with kde
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> --with kde does quilt
[21:17] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i did a debuild -S but it still created a 64MB file.. im gonna just tar.bz2 the debian dir and send it to you quintasan
[21:17] <_Groo_> since its useless to try to upload it to my ppa
[21:18] <Quintasan> _Groo_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:18] <Quintasan> thoughm why don't you try repacking source into tar.bz2 and use source format 3.0?
[21:18]  * Quintasan need to learn debhelper
[21:19] <_Groo_> Quintasan: talking to me? the 3.0 format thing?
[21:19] <Quintasan> _Groo_: yeah
[21:22] <_Groo_> Quintasan: any wiki i could read?
[21:23] <_Groo_> Quintasan: sent!
[21:23] <Quintasan> _Groo_: dunno, probably debian wiki has something
[21:23] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ok
[21:25] <_Groo_> Quintasan: virtuoso its working just fine, and btw, pls pls consider putting rekonq as the main browser for lucid.. its getting very VERY good
[21:25] <_Groo_> or chromium
[21:25] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hmm it still doesn't bother with patching
[21:25] <Quintasan> hurr
[21:26] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/f504e88d1
[21:26] <Quintasan> rules ^
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> hrm...
[21:27]  * Quintasan hides
[21:27] <Quintasan> I sense RAGE
[21:27] <Quintasan> :P
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> just confusion. that should handle patching during the build
[21:29] <_Groo_> brb
[21:31] <ghostcube> :|
[21:32] <Quintasan> ghostcube: sup?
[21:32] <Quintasan> lol emacs
[21:32] <ghostcube> not much
[21:32] <ghostcube> :)
[21:33] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: --with kde --with quilt solved the problem
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> ah, right. Ktorrent was using source format 3.0, which has quilt built in
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> (Ktorrent was what I was basing my reasoning on)
[21:35] <Quintasan> okay, gluon is probably done for, now let's get blok compiling
[21:37] <_Groo_> Quintasan: did you get the mail?
[21:38] <Quintasan> _Groo_: yeah, will sort it out in a moment
[21:38] <_Groo_> im uploading rekonq 0.3.26 to my ppa as we speak
[21:38] <_Groo_> Quintasan: just download the open source code and give it a go.. i already did a quilt to fix the gmake wrong calls
[21:38] <_Groo_> Quintasan: should compile and build without errors
[21:38] <_Groo_> Quintasan: its working like a charm for a week now :)
[21:39] <Quintasan> okay
[21:41] <_Groo_> thats reminds me, im having problems with recordmydesktop and lucid, its slooooooooooow.. and ffmpeg capturing works fine, gonna check if i can build a newer package also
[21:42] <Quintasan> _Groo_: lol, use recorditnow
[21:42] <_Groo_> Quintasan: im using recorditnow, i did a package also... but it uses recordmydesktop as backend, and im having problems with it and my radeon
[21:43] <_Groo_> btw lucid is missing qt-recordmydesktop, why?
[21:43] <_Groo_> it only has gtk
[21:44] <amichair> shtylman: check out bug #500627 (pinging you as ScottK suggested). Also plasma crashes when restarting from the livecd - is that plasma or ubiquity bug? is it a known issue?
[21:49] <Quintasan> brb windows
[21:52] <ghostcube> _Groo_: its not in karmic too
[21:53] <_Groo_> ghostcube: any special reason? they have feature parity so use the qt one in kubuntu makes more sense, and its qt4 based
[21:53] <ghostcube> no idea i noticed as i installed the progi in karmic that there is only gtk
[21:53] <neversfelde> it is not fun to package it :)
[21:53] <ghostcube> heh there you go
[21:53] <_Groo_> neversfelde: want me to do it?
[21:54]  * ghostcube waves to neversfelde
[21:54] <neversfelde> hi _Groo_ and ghostcube
[21:54]  * _Groo_ passes to ghostcube if he wants
[21:54] <_Groo_> hi neversfelde
[21:54] <_Groo_> neversfelde: just sent virtuoso to Quintasan
[21:54] <ghostcube> wuz ? nah i cant package heh
[21:54] <ghostcube> :)
[21:54] <neversfelde> _Groo_: sure, there is a [needs packaging] bug in launchpad. Subscribe it to yourself and start :)
[21:54] <_Groo_> ghostcube: ah lol
[21:54]  * ghostcube thinks better not to touch it
[21:55] <_Groo_> neversfelde: can you point me to the bug number?
[21:55] <neversfelde> _Groo_: one moment
[21:55] <_Groo_> neversfelde: btw rekonq 0.3.26 is compiling in my ppa as we speak, might be good to warn the package mantainer, this version adds kget and kwallet support, and it rocks too
[21:57] <neversfelde> _Groo_: bug 241073
[21:58] <neversfelde> _Groo_: I have no idea about rekonq, probably send a mail to the devel list, if it is important enough
[21:58] <_Groo_> neversfelde: from my testings , rekonq is almost ready to become the default browser in kde.. and i believe lucid would be smart to use it as default
[21:58] <_Groo_> neversfelde: try it from my ppa
[21:59] <neversfelde> _Groo_: I have 0.3.0 installed and I like it, too
[22:00] <_Groo_> neversfelde: try 0.3.26 ;)
[22:00] <DaSkrEEcH> http://paste.ubuntu.com/347255/
[22:00] <DaSkrEEcH> can anyone explain that?
[22:01] <_Groo_> build is ready https://edge.launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ppa
[22:02] <ScottK> DaSkrEEcH: What's the question?
[22:03] <ghostcube> DaSkrEEcH: hmmm i get different versioniings here
[22:03] <ScottK> DaSkrEEcH: Looks like kipi-plugins and digikam need rebuilding in the PPA you're using.
[22:06] <DaSkrEEcH> ScottK: beta PPA ?
[22:11] <_Groo_> ScottK: same problem in lucid, kde 4.4 uses libkcraw8 and karmic uses 7... lucid has having the same problem with kdenlive (already fixed) and koffice
[22:15] <DaSkrEEcH> ScottK: judging by the dates akonadi needs rebuilding as well
[22:18] <nixternal> OK, that 1 to 3 inches is now just over a foot with up to 6 more coming...this rocks!
[22:19] <Sput> whoa, rekonq has gained Adblock even
[22:19] <Sput> that was quick
[22:23] <_Groo_> neversfelde: package ready, uploaded to my ppa (qt-recordmydesktop)
[22:23] <neversfelde> _Groo_: you should send it to revu
[22:23] <_Groo_> neversfelde: how do i do that?
[22:24] <neversfelde> _Groo_: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/
[22:24] <neversfelde> there is a description about the process somewhere
[22:26] <_Groo_> neversfelde: im logged to revu, but i dont see any upload button...
[22:27] <neversfelde> _Groo_: you have to use dput
[22:27] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ¬¬ dont i need to be part of the team for that?
[22:28] <neversfelde> _Groo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[22:29] <_Groo_> neversfelde: both packages are now available at my ppa
[22:30] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ok adding revu and uploading qt-recordmydesktop
[22:30] <_Groo_> neversfelde: should i upload rekonq too?
[22:31] <neversfelde> _Groo_: no, for updating existing packages use launchpad, at least, if you follow the official process
[22:31] <_Groo_> neversfelde: wiki?
[22:31] <_Groo_> uploaded qt
[22:31] <neversfelde> _Groo_: wiki?
[22:32] <_Groo_> neversfelde: for launchpad method
[22:33] <neversfelde> for updating packages open a bug report against the package, call it "New upstream version available", assign it to yourself and upload diff.gz, dsc and orig.tar. After that subscribe ubuntu-sponsors-main or ubuntu-sponsors-universe
[22:33] <neversfelde> I think there should also be a wiki page about it :)
[22:33] <neversfelde> I cannot find it atm
[22:34] <_Groo_> neversfelde: i upload to the same revu?
[22:34] <neversfelde> no, upload as attachments to the bug report
[22:38] <_Groo_> neversfelde: i uploaded the qt-record to revu, where does it show up? i cant find i
[22:38] <_Groo_> it
[22:39] <neversfelde> _Groo_: you should recieve a mail, when it is accepted or declined and after that it is on revu.ubuntuwire.com
[22:39] <neversfelde> you need to find two MOTUs who accept it and then it can be uploaded to lucid
[22:39] <_Groo_> found it, and received it http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7270
[22:40]  * _Groo_ looks for motus to hunt...
[22:40] <_Groo_> heeeeeeeeeere motu motu motu
[22:40] <_Groo_> stupid question, how do we catch a motu?
[22:40] <neversfelde> _Groo_: you should fix "The Maintainer  field is invalid. It has to contain an @ubuntu.com address (usually the Ubuntu MOTU Team's). The packager can leave his/her name as XSBC-Original-Maintainer. "
[22:41] <neversfelde> I did not have a look at it, but the Standards-Version should be 3.8.3 afaik
[22:42] <neversfelde> and add the [needs packaging] Bug to the changelog like (LP: #00000)
[22:43] <neversfelde> the maintainer should be "Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:43] <Quintasan> LOL
[22:43] <Quintasan> awesome, looks like I will get a free laptop
[22:43] <neversfelde> and add yourself as "XSBC-Original-Maintainer"
[22:46] <Quintasan> out IT guy made a bet with me and my friend - "You guys break WPA2 key here and I give you my laptop"
[22:46] <_Groo_> neversfelde: ok, doing it, btw whats the correct version version-0ubuntu1? or can i leave the padoka part?
[22:46] <_Groo_> Quintasan: hey me wants too, its so easy to break wpa2 nowadays
[22:47] <neversfelde> _Groo_: version-0ubuntu1 for packages that are not in debian
[22:47] <neversfelde> _Groo_: have a look at the MOTU docs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Lists/DocumentationResources
[22:47] <Quintasan> _Groo_: I'm going to repack it as a tar.bz2
[22:48] <Quintasan> though lzma would be even better
[22:48] <_Groo_> Quintasan: how the bug should be added to changelog? [needs packaging] (LP: #00000) ?
[22:48] <_Groo_> and the bug number
[22:49] <Quintasan> I usually add *
[22:49] <Quintasan> *Initial release (Closes LP: #<bugnumber>)
[22:49] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ok
[22:51] <_Groo_> uploaded... is there any team i could/should join to ease the sponsoring/bug report? since during work days im behind a proxy, i can use launchpad but no dput, but i can assign bugs and dput by night
[22:51] <Quintasan> I can't belive I'm not listening to any music
[22:51] <_Groo_> hmmm good song name... dput by night... wheres my amarok
[22:52] <Quintasan> _Groo_: are you a member?
[22:52] <_Groo_> neversfelde: Quintasan: reuploaded
[22:52] <_Groo_> Quintasan: of what?
[22:52] <Quintasan> _Groo_: reuploaded what? Kubuntu member ofc
[22:52] <_Groo_> Quintasan: reuploaded qt-recordmydesktop to revu
[22:52] <neversfelde> _Groo_: Quintasan is a MOTU ;)
[22:53] <ScottK> Quintasan: What's the original source tarball packed as?
[22:53] <_Groo_> neversfelde: aaaaaaaahhhhhhh
[22:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: tar.gz
[22:53] <_Groo_> ahhhhhh scottk too
[22:53]  * _Groo_ hunts Quintasan and ScottK!
[22:53] <ScottK> Quintasan: Then don't repack it.
[22:53]  * Quintasan hides
[22:53] <ScottK> (unless there is some real reason to other than to change the type of compression)
[22:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: I just want to test if it fails uploading then too.
[22:53]  * _Groo_ shoots at scottk, hes too slow
[22:54] <neversfelde> the bilbo/blogilo overwrite problem should be fixed
[22:54] <ScottK> I see.
[22:54] <ScottK> Quintasan: For PPA, that's fine then.
[22:55] <_Groo_> neversfelde: done! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7271
[22:55] <_Groo_> ScottK: Quintasan: can i have a sponsor? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7271
[22:56] <_Groo_> brb
[22:57] <neversfelde> _Groo_: Standards-Version is still wrong and I think Prority should be optional. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[22:57] <ScottK> Sorry, busy with some other stuff right now.
[22:59] <Quintasan> wtf was this
[22:59] <neversfelde> use Quassel
[23:00] <neversfelde> :)
[23:00] <Quintasan> neversfelde: I belive qt-recordmydesktop should be extra :P
[23:01] <Quintasan> 0.3.8 > date - 2008-11-23
[23:01] <neversfelde> Quintasan: mhh, why?
[23:01] <Quintasan> :|
[23:01] <neversfelde> "packages that may conflict with packages in one of the above categories. Also used for specialized packages that would only be useful to people who already know the purpose of the package."
[23:16] <_Groo_> Quintasan: the gtk and qt have the same release dates, recodmydesktop isnt updated in a year now
[23:16] <Quintasan> also, pycode
[23:17] <Quintasan> just wait for apachelogger to see it again :P
[23:17] <_Groo_> Quintasan: what do you mean?
[23:18] <Quintasan> Harald hates python
[23:18] <ScottK> nixternal: Any luck on the powerpc box?
[23:21]  * _Groo_ likes python
[23:24] <_Groo_> neversfelde: what should i put in standard-version then?
[23:27] <neversfelde> _Groo_: afaik is 3.8.3 the latest
[23:28] <DaSkrEEcH> apt-cache policy akonadi
[23:28] <DaSkrEEcH> W: Unable to locate package akonadi
[23:29] <neversfelde> _Groo_: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version
[23:29] <_Groo_> neversfelde: pirority optional, and section extra?
[23:30] <neversfelde> _Groo_: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ 3.8.3
[23:30] <Quintasan> hmm
[23:30] <neversfelde> _Groo_: I am not sure about priority, you should ask someone who has better packaging skills. For section I would use the same gtk-recordmydesktop has
[23:31] <Quintasan> +1 on priority
[23:31] <Quintasan> at least that's logic if someone asks you about it :P
[23:32] <Quintasan> neversfelde: hmm, is there any better ways of doing debian/ diffs between versions? 0.4 -> 0.7 is freaking huge
[23:32] <neversfelde> Quintasan: sorry, no idea
[23:32] <Quintasan> well
[23:33] <Quintasan> neversfelde: http://pastebin.com/f79c5a272 mind looking at it ?
[23:33] <Quintasan> I'd better make sure I didn't forget but anything before uploading
[23:34] <Quintasan> I'm pretty sure if you look for debian in the whole thing you will find my changes :DD
[23:35] <neversfelde> Quintasan: I have to leave early tomorrow, so I have to go to bed. I might have a network connection tomorrow evening, but I am not sure
[23:36] <Quintasan> hmm well I wanted to upload this today to prevent _Groo_ from uploading qt-recordmydesktop before testing new recorditnow
[23:36] <Quintasan> :P
[23:36] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/f79c5a272 mind looking at it?
[23:36] <Quintasan> copypasta - I'm pretty sure if you look for debian in the whole thing you will find my changes :DD
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: cdbs build-dep can go bye-bye, and you don't need to include any .mk files
[23:39] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: and I'm good to go?
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> debhelper build-dep version needs bumped to 7.3.16 and pkg-kde-tools to 0.5.0
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> then yeah, I think it's good
[23:40] <Quintasan> debhelper (>= 7.3.16), pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.5.0)
[23:40] <Quintasan> like this?
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah, 7.3.16 is the first version for source format 3.0 and pkg-kde-tools 0.5.0 is the first version with --with kde support
[23:41] <Quintasan> okay, testbuilding and uploading
[23:47] <|_Groo_|> neversfelde: all ok now?
[23:50] <Quintasan> _Groo_: please wait for few minutes to recorditnow to update
[23:50] <Quintasan> and test it ofc
[23:51] <_Groo_> Quintasan: update for recorditnow?
[23:51] <_Groo_> isnt <IP_ADDRESS> the last version?
[23:52] <Quintasan> _Groo_: yes
[23:52] <_Groo_> Quintasan: its the one i have
[23:52] <Quintasan> _Groo_: no 0.7 is latest
[23:52] <Quintasan> lol
[23:52] <Quintasan> _Groo_: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/RecordItNow?content=114610
[23:52] <Quintasan> 0.7 :D
[23:52] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ahhh recorditnow! i have it already, i make packages from git all the time.. i was the first fan in kde-apps too ;)
[23:53] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i was confusing it for recordmydesktop backend
[23:53] <_Groo_> Quintasan: did you fixed the /dev/input bug too?
[23:54] <Quintasan> beats me, there is such a bug?
[23:56] <_Groo_> Quintasan:
[23:56] <_Groo_> #### Mouse ####
[23:56] <_Groo_> To fix the permissions, see http://recorditnow.sourceforge.net/#fix
[23:58] <Quintasan> hmm, that's a drity hack
[23:58] <Quintasan> I wonder how to add this
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> Probably why it's using KAuth now
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> That hack isn't really something that could/should be done from a pacakging standpoint, anyhow
[23:59] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: exactly i argued with the developer to not use this hack but he refused