[00:00] <daftykins> ging: i wouldn't attempt to try and set all that there
[00:30] <diddledan> http://www.dabs.com/products/samsung-1tb-840-evo-series-sata-6gb-s-2-5--solid-state-drive-8WCN.html?src=3
[00:31] <diddledan> 1TB SSD
[00:31] <diddledan> for 359.99
[00:31] <diddledan> that's a reasonable amount of storage
[00:31] <daftykins> EVO = TLC
[00:31] <daftykins> boooo
[00:32] <diddledan> I should know why that's a negative point
[00:33] <daftykins> triple level cell has very low program/erase cycles
[00:33] <diddledan> aah
[00:33] <daftykins> limiting the lifespan pretty seriously compared with MLC
[00:33] <diddledan> what's the M stand for?
[00:33] <daftykins> kinda amusing that the distinctions are single level cell, multi level cell and triple level cell though :(
[00:34] <diddledan> aah
[00:34] <daftykins> multi triple? lawl
[00:34] <diddledan> weird
[00:34] <diddledan> dabs also have this: http://www.dabs.com/products/netgear-readynas-104--4-bay--1-2ghz-512mb--diskless--8K4Q.html?src=3
[00:35] <diddledan> completely irrelevant to the SSD discussion, however
[00:35]  * diddledan browsing their pay-day deals
[00:35] <daftykins> however, if i could find the VAT button...
[00:35] <diddledan> damn you foreigners
[00:36] <diddledan> at the bottom in the footer block it tells you to "change"
[00:36] <diddledan> last line before the logos
[00:36] <diddledan> "All prices displayed are quoted inclusive of VAT unless otherwise stated change"
[00:37] <daftykins> 299.99...
[00:39] <daftykins> yeah that's only £34 cheaper than usual
[00:50] <daftykins> D:
[01:02] <dogmatic69> anyone know of a wifi card that supports AP in ubuntu 14.x
[01:09] <daftykins> AP?
[01:09] <daftykins> i'd hope all support access points ;)
[01:09] <dogmatic69> not from what I am reading :/
[01:10] <daftykins> what do you mean by AP?
[01:10] <dogmatic69> basically I want my pc to make wifi magic so my phone can connect to it
[01:10] <dogmatic69> pc is miles away from wifi, so when ever I am at the pc phone is using 3g
[01:11] <daftykins> is the PC cabled in?
[01:11] <dogmatic69> ye
[01:11] <daftykins> why don't you just buy a WAP that has a switch in, so you can add a second wireless LAN beside the PC?
[01:11] <dogmatic69> router -> cat5 -> pc -> wifi -> phone
[01:12] <dogmatic69> wap?
[01:12] <daftykins> wireless access point
[01:12] <daftykins> oh so it already has wireless hardware?
[01:12] <dogmatic69> I have a 'wap' and it crashed my network. Was flooding with packets
[01:12] <daftykins> that makes no sense
[01:13] <daftykins> unless you looped a connection and caused a broadcast storm
[01:13] <dogmatic69> maybe
[01:13] <daftykins> do you still have that? what kind is it?
[01:13] <dogmatic69> it was a thing that connected to cat and made wifi
[01:13] <dogmatic69> in a box somewhere
[01:13] <daftykins> dig it out!
[01:14] <daftykins> where i used to live, i had the router at one end of the house but my equipment at the other... so i had a WAP sit down there plugged into my switch so i could get my wireless devices on down there
[01:15] <daftykins> router 1 -> cat5e -> switch -> devices & WAP ->
[01:15] <dogmatic69> I have router -> cat -> switch -> switch -> pc :D
[01:16] <daftykins> why two switches 0o
[01:16] <dogmatic69> 24 port with loads of things -> 5 port with pc things
[01:17] <dogmatic69> or 8 port actually
[01:17] <daftykins> the benefit of the WAP is you won't have to have the PC on just to provide wireless to the phone
[01:17] <dogmatic69> 24 has nas, server, rpi, couple priters etc
[01:17] <dogmatic69> well the pc is on 24x7
[01:18] <daftykins> i see
[01:18] <dogmatic69> as it is logging data from arduinos :)
[01:18] <daftykins> so assuming it's a single port WAP, as in there's only one LAN port on it, i'd factory reset it and slap it into the switch there
[01:19] <daftykins> if you see every port's activity light flashing, maybe it's damaged and causing a broadcast storm
[01:19] <dogmatic69> will try find it laster
[01:19] <daftykins> but... that would be weird
[01:26] <diddledan> interesting
[01:26] <diddledan> sky have me in a /29 subnet
[01:26] <diddledan> does that mean they've actually assigned me the whole subnet but only assigning the one IP via dhcp?
[01:29] <daftykins> turn off NAT and test ;D
[01:30] <diddledan> the sky routers don't let you do that :-p
[01:31] <daftykins> ISP gear D: evul
[01:31] <daftykins> ah i was looking up SSD benchmarks
[01:35] <daftykins> diddledan: http://anandtech.com/bench/product/743?vs=962
[05:31] <whowhat> @search finisher baldacci
[05:43] <mapp> hey
[05:48] <shauno> morn
[07:15] <SuperMatt> morning all
[07:16]  * SuperMatt waves from work
[07:16] <diddledan> allo allo
[07:16] <diddledan> work on a saturdy?
[07:16] <SuperMatt> yeah, covering a shift
[07:16] <SuperMatt> nice little bit of overtime
[07:16] <SuperMatt> I had no other plans today
[07:16] <SuperMatt> although my plans seem like they could have involved a lot more bed
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[07:22] <mapp> hello
[07:22] <mapp> :)
[07:23]  * mapp is off
[07:23] <SuperMatt> word up
[07:23] <SuperMatt> I wondered what that smell was
[07:23] <mapp> going to the casino tonight to watch the boxing
[07:23] <mapp> but thats about al
[07:23] <mapp> l
[07:28] <mapp> apparently genting's going to be packed tonight and they reckon theyll have to turn people away
[07:28] <mapp> doubt it myself
[07:29] <SuperMatt> is it a ticketed event?
[07:30] <mapp> na
[07:30] <mapp> starts at 10pm or scheduled to..cant see it starting then though
[07:30] <mapp> grosvenor doing 8quid and you get a burger/pint and 5 quid gaming voucher
[07:35] <SuperMatt> I'd make sure you get there early, if I'm honest. if the casino are saying it's going to busy, it really is likely to be quite mental as they have probably heard a lot of chatter about the night
[09:40] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:53] <SirMarky> I have an issue with the unity sidebar. Selecting a program icon wont' take me to any window sitting on a different workspace, only the ones in the current. Can anyone help?
[10:58] <penguin42> there seems to be an annoying  gotcha upgrading from 12.10; the gui quits with no-error - it's only from the commandline you see it's moaning about /tmp being mounted noexec (which seems perfectly reasonable)
[17:59] <penguin42> right, so my dads main machine is now on Trusty, should keep that one happy for a while - now if I can get him to update his other machine s that would be grand
[17:59] <penguin42> answering the 'whats using all my disk space' on his other machine was more interesting - ~50G of mozilla crash reports
[18:08] <popey> blimey
[18:08] <popey> i should update my mums machine from 12.04 to 14.04
[18:09] <daftykins> lmao
[18:10] <daftykins> popey: hi sir, would btrfs be a good solution for a multi-disk setup where someone's after reliable fast storage with purely motherboard SATA ports + disks?
[18:13] <popey> pip pip
[18:14] <popey> I guess so, yeah
[18:14] <popey> it doesn't do raid 5 yet though
[18:14] <popey> or raid5-like
[18:15] <daftykins> mmm, i saw talk of 0, 1 and 10
[18:15] <daftykins> haven't gotten my head around the tech yet though, i find everything's written at a high level
[18:20] <popey> i have 12 disks in raid 1
[18:20] <popey> but will move to raid 5 at some point
[18:20] <popey> #btrfs is friendly
[18:20] <daftykins> ah-har
[18:20] <daftykins> ta very much
[18:21] <daftykins> hmm, that is not a very family friendly nickname
[18:21] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[18:21] <daftykins> haha that's the best monocle face i've seen
[18:35] <penguin42> popey: can you do raid50 - that's a nice trade off
[18:37] <popey> not yet
[18:37] <popey> 19:20:43 < popey> darksatanic: do we have an ETA on RAID5-like?
[18:37] <popey> 19:21:25 < darkthing> No.
[18:37] <popey> 19:24:02 < darkthing> Unless you want to run the current incomplete version for testing, of course
[18:38] <penguin42> yeh that's a great way to store your data :-)
[18:39] <popey> indeed
[18:40] <daftykins> this guy i know wants to put together a little home server, but i'd rather stick to the land of hardware RAID which i understand :D
[18:44]  * penguin42 has a 2nd drive he needs to put in a box tonight and make it RAIDed - after the SSD failed last week
[18:46]  * penguin42 could do with avoiding having to do a reinstall, and setting up RAID with a single drive is a bit tricky as I remember
[18:47] <popey> converting to btrfs is easier ☻
[18:48]  * penguin42 still doesn't fancy that
[18:48] <daftykins> haha
[18:49] <daftykins> yeah, it's knowing what to do in the event of an emergency that's important i think
[18:49] <daftykins> and how much effort it is to maintain
[18:55] <penguin42> daftykins: Actually the trickier thing is my parents can't rescue it if I'm out or away - they can hit reset
[19:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[19:38]  * penguin42 yaawwwns at bigcalm
[19:47] <popey> pip pip


[05:27] <Pingjockey> I finally got fed up with gentoo and crossed over to kubuntu
[05:27] <_tijn> gubuntu :P
[05:27] <Pingjockey> The people in there IRC channel pissed me off
[05:27] <dermitrius> had enough of building did we? :)
[05:27] <Pingjockey> I got a fast machine so building is not all that bad
[05:28] <Pingjockey> but when I asked about how to unmask and install kde 3.5.1 I was told to RTFM
[05:29] <Rodni> enough of reading too I guess. The whole gentoo is one big manual on its own
[05:29] <dermitrius> well i have used mandrake/madriva, RH, debian 3 and 3.1 and now im on ubuntu/kubuntu. i think i have found my home :)
[05:29] <Rodni> Im not doing well with kubuntu and to be honest very very disappointed.
[05:29] <Pingjockey> I was polite and said that I had and was unsure of how the command syntax in the package.unmask file... i was told again to go away
[05:29] <dermitrius> i'm using dapper release for desktop, using breezy for server
[05:30] <Rodni> I found so many issues like bugs and other stuff.
[05:30] <Pingjockey> Rodni: We will get ya through this... no worries pal
[05:30] <dermitrius> well its is debian testing/unstabe what do you expect
[05:30] <Pingjockey> Debian testing (well before etch) is relatively stable
[05:31] <dermitrius> if it wernt for ubuntu/kubuntu us debian users would be in the darkages :)
[05:31] <Pingjockey> I concur with that
[05:31] <Pingjockey> ok Rodni whats your ststus?
[05:32] <dermitrius> sometimes there is benifit to living on the near edge
[05:32] <dermitrius> i'm not quite ready to live on the nightly build edge :P
[05:32] <coollink> hi
[05:32] <Rodni> Im inside aptitude and overweclomed by a not so bad men
[05:32] <Pingjockey> Thats what I use to say about gentoo.. of course this is while I was on day 2 of an install
[05:32] <Rodni> menu
[05:33] <Rodni> so what exactly should I do, upgrade some packages/
[05:33] <Pingjockey> ok well go ahead and quit out of aptitude.. lets see if the nets up first
[05:33] <Rodni> k
[05:33] <Rodni> done
[05:33] <dermitrius> Rodni, before loading aptitude did you add universe and mulitverse to the apt sources list?
[05:33] <Rodni> type apt-get update now?
[05:33] <Pingjockey> ok sudo ifconfig and make sure that youe eth0 is up
[05:33] <Rodni> dermitrius I doubt it
[05:34] <coollink> Can someone help me? ive jsut instal kunbuntu 5.10 breezy on my satelite m70 sr600 laptop, but i think i have a video card probleme. I can go in desktop mode only console... perhaps my rez screen is to high or my video card is not suport? plz need help, im new onlinux
[05:34] <dermitrius> because some app are only available there, ok sry
[05:34] <Pingjockey> we can fix that in a sec
[05:34] <Rodni> I dont need to type sudo, Im already root :P
[05:34] <Pingjockey> kl
[05:34] <dermitrius> :)
[05:34] <dermitrius> coollink, what video does it have ati mobility?
[05:34] <Rodni> ok no ip's whatsoever
[05:35] <Rodni> even my router LED is not on
[05:35] <Pingjockey> ok, dhclient eth0
[05:35] <dikatlon> hello
[05:35] <coollink> i have ATI MOBILITY RADEON X700 with 128MB DDR video memory.
[05:35] <Pingjockey> also do a lsmod and lets make sure the module loaded
[05:36] <Rodni> I typed lsmod and lots of stuff appeared.
[05:36] <Pingjockey> coolink: sounds like you need to get the ATI drivers.. I think its called fglrx or something
[05:36] <Pingjockey> what about dhclient.. that should have gotten a ip for ya
[05:36] <dikatlon> I have some problems with the kubuntu installation. When the dialog is looking for net devices..it hangs.
[05:37] <dermitrius> coolink indeed "apt-get install fglrxcontrol" that should get you somewhere
[05:37] <_tijn> dikatlon: press alt F3
[05:37] <_tijn> see what it says
[05:37] <dikatlon> It's when net/hw-detec.hotplug starts
[05:37] <dikatlon> _tijn: I done that
[05:37] <_tijn> iam afk cya all
[05:37] <_tijn> what did it say?
[05:37] <dermitrius> coolink you will need to be root
[05:37] <Rodni> hmmm it gives me some errors in the resolv.conf file but let me check if its up and running and then I will tell you the full errors
[05:37] <dikatlon> _tijn nothing really.
[05:38] <_tijn> wierd
[05:38] <_tijn> but iam off sry
[05:38] <dikatlon> _tijn: IT starts udev..
[05:38] <dikatlon> _tijn: ok :)
[05:38] <Rodni> actually yes I have ip address now
[05:38] <Rodni> and my LED is on
[05:38] <coollink> ok thanks, i will check that
[05:38] <Pingjockey> good, try apt-get update
[05:39] <Rodni> yep its cool !!!
[05:39] <Rodni> do upgrade now?
[05:39] <Pingjockey> yeah do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:39] <coollink> but his it possible to change the kde resolution from the command shell?
[05:39] <dermitrius> coollink did the fglrx package and dependicies install ok?
[05:39] <Rodni> When I type that it gives me 3 errors
[05:40] <Pingjockey> coolink: you could try to manual change your xorg.conf file.... but I would try to do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... that may work as well
[05:40] <Rodni> :Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:40] <Pingjockey> what errors?
[05:40] <coollink> how can i instal this package?
[05:40] <Rodni> :Unable to write to /var/cache/apt
[05:40] <Pingjockey> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:40] <visik7> I've a kernel module  (provided with the kernel source) and I need to modify it to fit my needs but I don't want to recompile a new kernel is there a way ?
[05:40] <Rodni> :The package list or status file could not be parsed or opened
[05:41] <dermitrius> rodni, i thought you were root?
[05:41] <Rodni> Nah, I tried but sudo dosent make difference anymore
[05:41] <Rodni> I am root
[05:41] <Pingjockey> hmm then it should work fine
[05:41] <dermitrius> error in sources.list maybe?
[05:41] <Rodni> I messed it up bad :P And Im a linux user for about a week now lol
[05:42] <dermitrius> we have all been there :P
[05:42] <Pingjockey> yeah maybe... try nano -w /etc/apt/source.list and see whats commented out
[05:42] <Rodni> by the way if I try apt-get upgrade it gives me the same errors
[05:42] <Rodni> ok
[05:43] <Rodni> Im in source.list and its blank
[05:43] <Pingjockey> I have been a linux user for a while and well upon the advice of a friend I started with gentoo as my first distro... what a mistake that was...
[05:43] <Pingjockey> ok, that will do it....
[05:43] <Rodni> there is a lot of options I can choose
[05:44] <Pingjockey> sorry it should be sources.list
[05:44] <dermitrius> my first few distros were a nightmare to get somethings going
[05:44] <Pingjockey> typo
[05:44] <coollink> ive try to make the  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   but is sayd i must be as root, what that mean?
[05:44] <dermitrius> i wished i had pluked up the courage earlier to come to places such as this
[05:44] <Rodni> ok so how do I quit this nano?
[05:44] <Pingjockey> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:44] <coollink> ok thx
[05:44] <Pingjockey> control x
[05:45] <dermitrius> it prolly would have saved me alot of time, reinstall any windows above 98se is no fun
[05:45] <coollink> what mean sudo jsut to know?
[05:45] <Rodni> hmmm even sources.list is empty
[05:45] <Pingjockey> I will tell you though I learned more about gcc and stuff from gentoo than you can shake a stick at
[05:45] <Pingjockey> sudo mean super user do
[05:45] <Pingjockey> from what I hear
[05:45] <zblach> hi
[05:45] <coollink> wpw, sound cool :P
[05:45] <Pingjockey> ok rodni wait 1 sec
[05:45] <dermitrius> superuser do, rather than su which switches to root
[05:45] <zblach> Pingjockey, it's also a play on the word 'pseudo'
[05:46] <Rodni> I dont have much choice :P
[05:46] <Pingjockey> see I learned something new today...
[05:46] <Rodni> You guys should open a skype help channel or something
[05:46] <coollink> do you have a good reference web site for know starting with linux?
[05:46] <Pingjockey> anyone got a breezy sources.list flaoting around
[05:46] <Pingjockey> I only have dapper
[05:46] <zblach> Pingjockey, sure
[05:46] <dermitrius> sudo: basically saves you from being root for too long
[05:46] <zblach> where to?
[05:47] <Pingjockey> just need a few lines at a time for rodni so we don't flood the channel
[05:47] <zblach> ok
[05:47] <dermitrius> pingjocky, one moment, i'll get the one from my server
[05:47] <zblach> do you want kde 3.5.1?
[05:47] <Pingjockey> nah, I just need to get him up and running now.. we will deal with kde 3.5.1 later
[05:48] <zblach>  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[05:48] <zblach>  deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[05:48] <Rodni> type those?
[05:48] <Nirvana> Pingjockey: to change dapper sources to breezy, just find and replace breezy with dapper
[05:48] <Pingjockey> ok rodni cop those into sources.list
[05:48] <zblach> type them into /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:48] <knoppix> hi, could anyone pls help me to install grub? i have crashed one of my disks. now installed winxp on disc /dev/hda and my kubuntu should be on /dev/hdc but i don't know how to reinstall grub, to boot into my kubuntu again. currently running knoppix. pls help me
[05:48] <FlakJacket> does anyone know how to recieve ssid broadcasts in kubuntu?
[05:48] <zblach> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[05:48] <zblach> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[05:48] <Pingjockey> thanks nirvana did not realize that
[05:49] <zblach> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[05:49] <zblach> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[05:49] <Nirvana> knoppix: does that mean you can't boot into Kubuntu?
[05:49] <Pingjockey> knoppix, you can install grub from the cli.. open a window.. and launch grub by typing grub.
[05:49] <zblach> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:49] <Nirvana> zblach: no pasting, use pastebin: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:49] <knoppix> Nirvana, i don't know how to install grub
[05:49] <dermitrius> flakjacket, do you have your wireless driver installed
[05:49] <zblach> ok nirv
[05:50] <Pingjockey> Nirvana: that was my fault.. sorry about that I asked him to do it
[05:50] <zblach> Rodni, still need those lines?
[05:50] <knoppix> Pingjockey, what do you mean with cli ? console?
[05:50] <zblach> one lieft
[05:50] <zblach> **left
[05:50] <Nirvana> knoppix: can you boot into kubu at all? if you can't, your gonna need smart boot manager (a floppy disk, you can google it)
[05:50] <Pingjockey> Knoppix yeah
[05:50] <knoppix> i am currently running knoppix
[05:50] <ryanakca> is there a program that will make compiling from source "easyer" with less chance of me "messing up"?
[05:51] <ryanakca> seeing that I can't install GIMP threw apt or from a .deb file
[05:51] <dermitrius> flakjacket, which type/model wireless device
[05:51] <knoppix> i can mount my kubuntu hd and can e.g. chroot into it
[05:51] <Nirvana> OK
[05:51] <Pingjockey> if your grub conf file is there you can use grub from the command line and just reinstall grub to the mbr.. I thought the conf file was in /boot
[05:51] <Rodni> wooow hang on, am I suppose to copy all of them? I just did the first two
[05:51] <Nirvana> knoppix: when you chroot to it, just do an sudo apt-get install grub
[05:51] <Pingjockey> rodni yeah all of them
[05:51] <Rodni> Its taking me longer because I try not to misspel them
[05:52] <Rodni> hmm alright
[05:52] <knoppix> Nirvana, oh i will try this
[05:52] <Pingjockey> yeah that will work as well knoppix
[05:52] <dermitrius> flakjacket, recently tried install a 'cable and wireless' usb adapter in a mates machine and once i had the driver in it got the ssid stright away
[05:52] <frank23> ryanakca: why cant use install gimp with adept or synaptic?
[05:53] <ryanakca> frank23: because apt's gimp is GIMP 2.2.8. I want GIMP 2.2.10
[05:54] <frank23> oh
[05:54] <Pingjockey> anyone know if the repositres are updated for dapper to reflect flight 4?
[05:55] <frank23> ryanakca: there are programs that help compiling from source but i dont know them.  What I do is just  use  checkinstall instead of make install  .
[05:55] <knoppix> Nirvana, i've done in my chroot environment apt-get --reinstall grub
[05:55] <Pingjockey> gimp is at 2.2.10 in dapper
[05:55] <dermitrius> pingjockey, i installed flight 3 when it came out, and today i only had 6 updates, and have had about 30 every 2 days prior to today so i guess so
[05:55] <frank23> i makes .deb and installs it.
[05:55] <knoppix> Nirvana, can i now reboot or do i have to setup something ?
[05:56] <ryanakca> ok, so ./configure      make     make checkinstall
[05:56] <ryanakca> ???
[05:56] <Nirvana> knoppix: didn't it ask you if you had Windows installed or something?
[05:56] <frank23> ryanakca:   ./configure   make   sudo checkinstall
[05:56] <ryanakca> kk
[05:56] <ryanakca> ty
[05:56] <frank23> ryanakca: there is a wiki on this
[05:56] <Nirvana> knoppix: post the output of cat /boot/grub/menu.lst on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:57] <knoppix> nirvana, no questions from apt
[05:57] <Nirvana> knoppix: post the output of cat /boot/grub/menu.lst on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:57] <FlakJacket> but what if you've already entered an ssid
[05:57] <Pingjockey> dermitrius: Cool thanks
[05:58] <Nirvana> knoppix: and if that doesn't have your windows and kubu partitions, you will prolly have to "apt-get remove grub --purge" and 'apt-get install grub'.. in my personal experience, I've found the --reinstall comand to be broken...
[05:58] <Rodni> Ok Pingjockey and zblach Im currently on the last command breezy-backports
[05:58] <dermitrius> flakjacket, do you have any windows machines, if so what ssid do they pickup and is the one you enetered the same as that?
[05:59] <Rodni> should I type the de-scr version for that as well?
[05:59] <Rodni> Are there any more to type?
[05:59] <Al-Daja> http://pastebin.com/562884
[06:00] <dermitrius> flakjacket, another idea might be to remove the interface config or reset the ssid/essid lin to blank
[06:00] <Pingjockey> I noticed in adept that alot of the kde packages are not installed anyone know why that maybe? I installed from dapper 3
[06:00] <mth`MAW> Hi someone here, who likes to figure out REALLY weired problems?
[06:00] <knoppix> Nirvana, i can't see my windows there, will try the purge install procedure you suggest
[06:00] <mth`MAW> :D
[06:01] <coollink> iv try zblach> do you want kde 3.5.1?
[06:01] <coollink> <Pingjocke
[06:01] <coollink> sorry
[06:01] <dermitrius> pingjockey, i notieced that too, my they lessend the dependancies of kubuntu-desktop
[06:01] <dermitrius> maybe*
[06:01] <Nirvana> mth`MAW: we all like weird probs :P
[06:01] <mth`MAW> I only hear sound, from all apps after I suspended to disc
[06:01] <FlakJacket> o ok dermitrius
[06:02] <Pingjockey> good example here seems that kde-core is not installed
[06:02] <mth`MAW> only yakuake give a beep via line-out
[06:02] <dermitrius> fakjacket, then that might allow it to pickup the ssid :)
[06:02] <knoppix> Nirvana, there have been no questions again. i have just removed all files in /boot/grub before doing the apt-get install grub
[06:02] <mth`MAW> Amarok, bmp, xmms all they look like they are playing something, but I do not hear anything
[06:02] <Rodni> helo? I've done total of 4 lines so far each with deb and deb-scr
[06:03] <coollink> iv try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tha app ask me lot of question about my display and keyb, but when is choose the refresh rate of my screen i got the folowing message xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwirting possibly-custumized configuration file; bakcup in /etc/x11/xorg.conf.200602190700
[06:03] <knoppix> Nirvana, there were none created. i think i have to trigger the process kubuntu uses at installstion time to include all installed operating systems
[06:03] <coollink> what thas mean?
[06:03] <dermitrius> pingjockey, my install doesn't have kde-core either :p
[06:03] <Pingjockey> k you should be good to go rodni
[06:04] <djib> hey
[06:04] <Rodni> ...
[06:04] <Nirvana> knoppix: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub
[06:04] <djib> how to see all persons logged in my pc ?
[06:04] <mth`MAW> so nobody has an idea?
[06:04] <djib> apparently users doesn't show the ssh users
[06:05] <Nirvana> knoppix: otherwise, you have to manually add the windows partitions
[06:05] <Rodni> hey can you see me?
[06:05] <frank23> djib:   who
[06:05] <dermitrius> this is the first time ever i have shared my experiances and gained knowledge of linux
[06:05] <Pingjockey> yes rodni
[06:05] <Rodni> ah ok just checking
[06:05] <djib> frank23: nope
[06:05] <coollink> iv try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tha app ask me lot of question about my display and keyb, but when is choose the refresh rate of my screen i got the folowing message xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwirting possibly-custumized configuration file; bakcup in /etc/x11/xorg.conf.200602190700. is this normal? and what i have to do after?
[06:05] <djib> doesn't show me ssh either frank23
[06:05] <frank23> djib: or just the command    w
[06:06] <Rodni> so how to save what I typed in Nano?
[06:06] <Pingjockey> just go ahead and overwrite it.. you uses resolutions that make sense right?
[06:06] <Pingjockey> control o
[06:06] <Pingjockey> to save in nano
[06:06] <coollink> yes i hav echoose rigth resolution? so i reboot?
[06:06] <Rodni> aaaaaaaaa
[06:06] <coollink> that exit the xserver configuration tool
[06:06] <knoppix> Nirvana, dpkg-reconfigure grub runs without any output. i tried grub-install /dev/hda. now there are atleast some files in the /boot/grub directory but no menu.lst
[06:07] <Pingjockey> coolink you should not have to reboot...
[06:07] <Rodni> it told me Error writing etc/apt/sources/list: no such file or directory
[06:07] <djib> frank23: no, w doens't show me ssh users either
[06:07] <dermitrius> coollink, when is say about the backup, all it is, is a date/time stamped so that you know when it was created
[06:07] <djib> that's scary
[06:07] <Rodni> sorry sources.list
[06:07] <coollink> ok, but when is ask me my defaut color depth in bits, i set 24, and it exit me from the isntaller and print the warning i told
[06:07] <Pingjockey> try saving it somewhere else then.. we can copy it later...
[06:08] <Rodni> mmm ok
[06:08] <dermitrius> coolink is there a yes/no question to the backup thing?
[06:08] <Nirvana> knoppix: looks like you have to manually create it then
[06:08] <Rodni> save it without s at the end
[06:08] <coollink> no, no question is only a warning, and it return me in the consol
[06:08] <frank23> Rodni: did you put a slash before etc?    /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:09] <coollink> perhaps the configuration was finish i dont know
[06:09] <Nirvana> knoppix: is there a grub.conf? post it on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:09] <djib> frank23: is ther eanother command ?
[06:09] <knoppix> Nirvana, ok i will copy back the backup i did before erasing
[06:09] <Rodni> I dont have to it gives me the default name anyway
[06:09] <Rodni> oh before
[06:09] <Rodni> hmm no I didint
[06:09] <dermitrius> coolink, if the original xorg.conf is of no use (ie not working), perhaps removing will help
[06:09] <knoppix> Nirvana, no sorry, no grub.conf under /boot/grub
[06:09] <frank23> djib: w  works for  me (ssh from localhost) and has worked on every other unix system i've been on
[06:10] <Rodni> now it gave me another error saying Read only file
[06:10] <djib> frank23: a friend is logged in ssh on my machine, I don't see him
[06:10] <Rodni> Pingjockey the trick with / in front of etc worked but why read only when Im root?
[06:10] <dermitrius> coollink as sudo or root rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then do the reconfigure
[06:10] <frank23> Rodni: sudo nano  to use nano as root
[06:10] <Rodni> Im already root
[06:10] <Pingjockey> I don't know...
[06:11] <Pingjockey> hmm
[06:11] <coollink> in fact my problem is the next: when i starting my computer linux seem to load properly, i see all the OK list, but after my screen turn black and nothing appens, no kde no console, if i pres ctrl alt f5 i can go into consol mode with alt 1 2 3 etc. so i was thinking is was a rezolution problem, but someone have other idea?
[06:11] <Nirvana> knoppix: looks like you have to manually create it then
[06:11] <Pingjockey> Rodni did the file save?
[06:12] <Rodni> nope
[06:12] <Pingjockey> did you save it somewhere else?
[06:12] <dermitrius> coolink, what graphics card do you have?
[06:12] <_b> in process table there is a icon of ghost on some process is it a bad thing ?
[06:12] <Rodni> Error writing /etc/apt/sources/list: Read-only file system
[06:12] <coollink> ATI MOBILITY RADEON X700 with 128MB DDR video memory.
[06:12] <Rodni> no i havent tried that yet
[06:12] <dermitrius> coolink, thats right now i recall :)
[06:12] <coollink> the xserver conf tool seam to have detec them properly, good name good irq etc....
[06:12] <Pingjockey> ok save it somewhere else then.. like /tmp/sources.list or something
[06:13] <coollink> :P
[06:13] <dermitrius> coolink, ok so the fgrlx didn't install right?
[06:13] <coollink> i dont know, i think not
[06:13] <dahump> Newbie here, does anyone know why AMAROK won't play streaming audio? It shows the buffer, but no sound comes out. Sound is currently working.
[06:13] <Rodni> Ok, no matter what I do or where I try to save it it comes with the same Read only error
[06:13] <fyzix> Can anyone tell me how to configure my fourth button on my new mouse?
[06:13] <dermitrius> coolink, ok before removing the xorg file open it up in your favorite editor...
[06:14] <coollink> ok, but where is taht file?
[06:14] <djib> frank23: my friend is using winscp, could that be the reason ?
[06:14] <coollink> x11 xorg?
[06:14] <dermitrius> coolink, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:14] <dermitrius> coolink, when its is open go down the file and find a driver setting
[06:15] <coollink> it sayd no write permission
[06:15] <dermitrius> coolink, what is that set to?
[06:15] <coollink> i can open
[06:15] <Rodni> So basically if I cant save it its no good
[06:15] <Pingjockey> Rodni yeah thats right
[06:15] <dermitrius> coolink, we will do changes in a min
[06:15] <dahump> Newbie here, does anyone know why AMAROK won't play streaming audio? It shows the buffer, but no sound comes out. Sound is currently working.
[06:15] <frank23> djib: if thats a ssh client, it should be ok
[06:15] <Rodni> is nano the same as vi?
[06:15] <knoppix> Nirvana, thx for your help. i will try a reboot. let's see where i end up :)
[06:16] <Rodni> maybe should try different editor
[06:16] <dermitrius> coolink, there both editors
[06:16] <djib> its some windows ssh client... It's a graphic tool for scp apparently
[06:16] <dermitrius> coolink, sry i sent that to you and it wasn't applicable :)
[06:16] <coollink> ie of edito? i only not edit  ***
[06:16] <dermitrius> coolink, ok so the file is open
[06:16] <coollink> np
[06:17] <frank23> djib: just for scp?  does that do a real ssh login?
[06:17] <Pingjockey> feels his ulcer a flamming
[06:17] <coollink> i dont know how to poen it:P sry guy im new oon linux
[06:17] <djib> I don't know frank23
[06:17] <djib> I don't think so
[06:17] <dermitrius> coolink, ok sry :)
[06:17] <Pingjockey> ok Rodni....
[06:17] <Rodni> hmm, so I guess as I feared my only option really is to reinstall from CD
[06:17] <dermitrius> coolink, ok r u in a console on the laptop ?
[06:17] <coollink> open xorg.conf and sayd permission denied
[06:17] <frank23> Rodni: what is the problem?
[06:17] <Pingjockey> it almost sounds like you permissions are messed up as well...
[06:18] <dermitrius> coolink, it won't open read only?
[06:18] <coollink> i caht on my other computer, but im in front of th elaptop inconsol mode
[06:18] <dermitrius> coolink, ok
[06:18] <coollink> i have to log into admin mode?
[06:18] <dermitrius> coolink, that or we will use sudo. it upto you
[06:19] <Rodni> yeah could be. Altough this was something I had from the beginning when I installed kubuntu
[06:19] <coollink> ok yes, so y try sudo open xorg.conf?
[06:19] <Rodni> frank23 its really a long story
[06:19] <dermitrius> coolink, yep
[06:19] <frank23> Rodni: ok... i'm not in the mood for long stories ;)
[06:19] <Pingjockey> you know what rodni, lets reinstall... lets go step by step though
[06:19] <coollink> i done that, but open xorg.conf seam to do nothing
[06:19] <Rodni> I broke Kubuntu, cant get into GUI and only in recovery mode. I want kubuntu back so I can back up a single folder before removing it completely
[06:20] <Rodni> I will install it again on my other hard disk tho
[06:20] <Nirvana> rodni: what about typing startx?
[06:20] <dermitrius> coolink, did you put the full path, or are you in the path?
[06:20] <djib> that really scares me not se see people logged in my computer... Anyone has an idea ?
[06:20] <coollink> im in the path
[06:20] <Rodni> whats startx?
[06:20] <dermitrius> coolink, ok cool
[06:21] <tecs> i upgraded....should i keep my etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc or replace it with the update? what does it do anyway
[06:21] <Rodni> There is another option here Pingjockey if you are good with networks....since Im now connected you can just tell me how to browse trough my files using command line and doing a copy paste to a different PC
[06:21] <dermitrius> coolink, ok in the current path (/etc/X11) type "ls" and see if there is an xorg.conf file
[06:22] <Rodni> If that works with Tar or whatever then I will be dead happy
[06:22] <coollink> yes theyre is
[06:22] <dermitrius> and yet when you tried to open it didn't do anything
[06:22] <Pingjockey> well you could tarball the folder... then upload the folder to another pc... do you have a ftp server on your network?
[06:22] <coollink> just to be sure, waht is the rigt command for do that?
[06:23] <Pingjockey> nvidia question for those running dapper.. does the glx pakage works with the new verison of xorg?
[06:23] <dermitrius> coollink, you used vi correct?
[06:23] <coollink> no
[06:23] <coollink> what is vi?
[06:23] <Rodni> ftp server. No
[06:23] <dermitrius> pingjockey, i'm ati, can't help you there
[06:24] <dermitrius> coollink ok then try nano to open the file
[06:25] <coollink> i enter vi and now im in a vim - vi - improved
[06:25] <dermitrius> coollink ok
[06:25] <coollink> i dont know how to left that
[06:25] <Rodni> I did try to trasfer files before and it worked but I havent done it trough command line
[06:25] <dermitrius> coollink to quit :q
[06:26] <dermitrius> coollink then  type vi xorg.conf and that should work
[06:26] <Pingjockey> afk
[06:27] <coollink> ok im in vi with the file xorg.conf
[06:27] <dermitrius> coollink to navigate the file use the arrow keys
[06:27] <coollink> yes, and now im oing dow for the driver?
[06:27] <dermitrius> coollink yep
[06:28] <dermitrius> coollink what value is set for driver?
[06:28] <coollink> section device: identifier "ati tech......   radeon mobility x700 (rv410)"
[06:28] <digi> hey guys!
[06:28] <Rodni> aaah, Dir is used in linux too. I just found my directory I need to put safe.
[06:28] <dermitrius> coollink thats the right section
[06:29] <coollink> the driver is "ati"
[06:29] <Rodni> can I some how copy and paste it on a network pc?
[06:29] <dermitrius> coollink ok
[06:29] <dermitrius> coollink one sec
[06:29] <coollink> BusID "pci:1:0:0"
[06:30] <dermitrius> coollink that means agp :)
[06:30] <Rodni> I guess not. Copy is not a command
[06:30] <coollink> ok
[06:30] <digi> Guys - where can I get Kautomatix?
[06:32] <dermitrius> coollink ok exit file for now, we need to reaproach the situation
[06:32] <Nomad411> !kautomatix
[06:32] <ubotu> Nomad411: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:32] <coollink> ok, for exit vi, what i have t do?
[06:32] <dermitrius> coollink :q
[06:33] <Rodni> Im gonna go and eat something then will continue this
[06:33] <Rodni> its shame we cant pm either
[06:33] <dermitrius> coollink so to reiterate, after system start up kdm goes to load and you get no picture right ?
[06:34] <coollink> yes
[06:34] <coollink> no picutre black screen, th emonitor seem to go off
[06:34] <dermitrius> coollink, heres a test, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop .....
[06:35] <coollink> im not even surre kdm load, but im sure all the OK list goes
[06:35] <dermitrius> coollink, then type startkde
[06:35] <dermitrius> coollink if it was a desktop install, then kdm started couldn't get a screen, and stays loaded
[06:36] <coollink> ok the stop make a lsit of ok, and now i cannot enter anything, no command line visible
[06:36] <_macke> Hey! How do i make my NTFS drive readable for all users??
[06:36] <dermitrius> coollink ok hit this key combo ctrl-alt-f1
[06:36] <dermitrius> coollink that gets you back to console
[06:36] <coollink> ok
[06:36] <coollink> yes
[06:37] <dermitrius> coollink ok back to test
[06:37] <coollink> ok, ive start kde
[06:37] <dermitrius> coollink now type startkde
[06:37] <dermitrius> coollink seems you were a step ahead of me on that one :)
[06:37] <coollink> kdeinit aborting. $Display is not set
[06:37] <coollink> :P yes
[06:38] <coollink> canot conect to x server...
[06:38] <coollink> i have a series of message like that
[06:38] <dermitrius> coollink ok thinking..
[06:38] <coollink> startkde: Shutting down....
[06:39] <NoTech> hi what is the main difference between Kubuntu -Dapper and -Breezy?
[06:39] <dermitrius> coollink what is the final message (for example "no screens found")
[06:39] <coollink> at the top of the screen i can read  xsetroot: unable to open display
[06:39] <_macke> how do i reload fstab??
[06:40] <coollink> Ca't contact kdeinit
[06:40] <coollink> i have many error, not jsut one at the end
[06:41] <NoTech> any?
[06:41] <mnoir> !breezy
[06:41] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:41] <mnoir> !dapper
[06:41] <ubotu> I guess dapper is the pre-release name for the next version of Ubuntu, the release will be called 6.04. It is due 20th April. It is software in development and as such may break.
[06:41] <thehil> how can I figure out where to put the WIN32 codecs for mplayer??
[06:41] <NoTech> thanx
[06:42] <NoTech> ubotu are u a bot?
[06:42] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, NoTech
[06:42] <dermitrius> coollink ok, copy /var/log/Xorg.x.log to your computer your on irc and send me them
[06:42] <NoTech> :))
[06:43] <coollink> ok, but how can i do that? no floppy on th elaptop, i dont know how to make it.... any idea?
[06:43] <dermitrius> coollink ok, copy them to floppy disk/usbkey or whatever you prefer (copy command is cp)
[06:43] <coollink> i have a usb key, but how i done that with linux?
[06:43] <dermitrius> coollink then put them on your irc machine and dcc send me them
[06:44] <_david> NoTech: I think the biggest difference will be that dapper can be installed from a livecd while breeze need a special install cd
[06:44] <dermitrius> coollink plug it into a usb port on the laptop
[06:45] <coollink> ok, the key is plug, and alot of thing as been show on the screen,
[06:45] <dermitrius> coollink hangon i'm trying to remeber how to mount a device read write
[06:45] <coollink> how can i acces dthe usb key?
[06:45] <_david> hey, can someone explain me how config files work in kubunto, for instance if I edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually what will happen X gets updated?
[06:46] <dermitrius> coollink first as root (or sudo) type mkdir /media/usbkey
[06:47] <coollink> ok i done that, but nothing seem to be done...
[06:47] <dermitrius> coollink thats where we are gonna mount the usb key
[06:47] <coollink> ok
[06:47] <coollink> that make a dir, ok i understand..
[06:49] <dermitrius> coolink i'm just sorting out a line to add to /etc/fstab that will allow you to mount the usbkey at the dir we just made
[06:50] <dermitrius> coolink /etc/fstab is a file that controls the mounting of cdroms hard drives and such
[06:50] <_david> dermitrius: that's not needed I think
[06:51] <_david> dermitrius: afaik what needs to be done is    sudo mount /dev/usbdeviceiforgotthenameof /media/usbkey
[06:52] <tecs> how come my konqueror wont open it says malformed url and cant locate kioo file
[06:52] <visik7> tecs: with which url ?
[06:53] <tecs> with my home folder...
[06:54] <dermitrius> coollink slowdown :)
[06:55] <dermitrius> david, he has no gui so no automount, and if you mount like that then its readonly :)
[06:56] <dermitrius> coollink this line needs to be added to the file /etc/fstab "/dev/sda        /media/usbkey   vfat    rw      0       0"
[06:57] <coollink> hi, my computer lock up, stupid DVD rw
[06:57] <coollink> im back
[06:57] <dermitrius> coollink repeated due to disconnect this line needs to be added to the file /etc/fstab "/dev/sda        /media/usbkey   vfat    rw      0       0"
[06:58] <coollink> i hav eto add that ?
[06:58] <dermitrius> coollink its best that is added as is, the spaces are tabs
[06:59] <dermitrius> coollink then you can type sudo mount /media/usbkey, should work is your usb key device is vfat and sda :)
[06:59] <coollink> it is normal than in fstab theyre is nothing? no text
[06:59] <dermitrius> coollink /etc/fstab should not be empty :)
[06:59] <coollink> is empty... i open it with nano fstab
[06:59] <_david> coollink: you probably the wrong path, type nano /etc/fstab
[07:00] <_david> not nano fstab
[07:00] <dermitrius> coollink he may already be in etc :)
[07:00] <dermitrius> he may already be in etc :)
[07:00] <_david> ok :)
[07:00] <coollink> ok now im in the good pace
[07:01] <coollink> there is some text in it
[07:01] <coollink> sry
[07:01] <dermitrius> coollink if /etc/fstab was empty his laptop would have a hardtime booting :)
[07:01] <dermitrius> coollink np
[07:01] <Rodni> Im back!
[07:01] <dermitrius> coollink then go to bottom of file with arrow keys
[07:02] <dermitrius> coollink the press the end key to go to the end of the line
[07:02] <Rodni> Who has enough experience to help me with reinstalling Kubuntu without losing my home folder?
[07:02] <dermitrius> coollink then hit the "i" to begin editing (you are in read-write mode right)
[07:03] <Rodni> I'm ready to follow instructions :)
[07:03] <_david> dermitrius: he's using nano, not vi?
[07:03] <coollink> i have write th ecommand you told me, its seem to be ok
[07:03] <coollink> nano
[07:03] <mnoir> rodni: kubuntu REALLY LIKES to reformat yer disk - first step would be to backup home as you have been struggling all day to do....
[07:03] <dermitrius> coollink ok cool either way as long as its there :p
[07:04] <coollink> i save and close that?
[07:04] <Rodni> :(
[07:04] <dermitrius> coollink yep
[07:04] <Rodni> Can't I just tell kubuntu to only install in the root folder?
[07:04] <coollink> oups
[07:04] <coollink> eror to write fstab, permission denied
[07:04] <coollink> i dont have the write acces i think
[07:04] <Rodni> after all the reason I made all these partitions was in case of failuer like that
[07:05] <mnoir> ok - so home really is a separate partition?
[07:05] <dermitrius> coollink if as i hope is the case (ie that your usb ket is fat32 formated and is on the sytem as /dev/sda) then when you type mount /media/usbkey we should be ok :)
[07:05] <Rodni> yes, but logical because I ran out of primary
[07:05] <Rodni> hope this dosent matter
[07:06] <ejofee_> how do i change settings in motif? what is its config file?
[07:06] <coollink> but th eproblem is  i cant save the fstab
[07:06] <mnoir> that is ok - pls type df at a command prompt to display all mounted filesystems
[07:07] <dermitrius> coollink ah ok then "sudo" edit it :)
[07:07] <mnoir> paste the line that sez /home at the end
[07:07] <Rodni> My partitions are as follow: 1 primary 10.5GB NTFS, 2 primary 106.9MB ext3 (boot), 3 primary 10.4GB ext3 (root
[07:07] <coollink> yes ok min
[07:07] <mnoir> e.g. /dev/hda3             45815940   7199876  38616064  16% /home
[07:07] <mnoir> (this is mine)
[07:07] <_david> dermitrius: I just tested but      sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbkey          sudo touch /media/usbkey/itworks        does work
[07:08] <Snake__> !pastebin
[07:08] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org - Install webboard for easy pasting from the gnome taskbar :)
[07:08] <Rodni> 5 logical 509.9MB ext3 (swap) and last 6 logical 38GB ext3 (home)
[07:08] <mnoir> snake - for just 1 line??
[07:08] <coollink> ok, i save the fstab file, now i do mount /media/usbkey????
[07:08] <Rodni> mnoir Im currently in the installation screen
[07:08] <Rodni> where the partitions are
[07:08] <Snake__> mnoir: there were lots of people pasting >.< hehe
[07:09] <mnoir> :)
[07:09] <Rodni> no command line there
[07:09] <mnoir> oic
[07:09] <dermitrius> david, any emtpy dir will work like that because your are effectivly writing to "/"
[07:09] <Rodni> do you want me to do it different way? I dont know how it works exactly
[07:09] <mnoir> this is very scary - i am afraid i will help you lose all that you want to preserve
[07:10] <Rodni> heh :P
[07:10] <dermitrius> david, if you mount an device on it then it will write to the device
[07:10] <coollink> ok i think is done
[07:10] <coollink> how can i chek that?
[07:10] <mnoir> did i hear you say that pm was a problem?
[07:10] <_david> dermitrius: I did mount, the first command does that
[07:10] <Rodni> who me?
[07:10] <mnoir> yes you
[07:10] <Rodni> I think so
[07:11] <mnoir> what about a separate channel?
[07:11] <dermitrius> coollink like this "sudo mount /media/usbkey"
[07:11] <mnoir> it is too noisy here
[07:11] <Rodni> oh yeah I could make one and just ask for help so they can join in
[07:11] <dermitrius> david, sry
[07:11] <Rodni> good idea
[07:11] <coollink> i done that, but it sayd dev/sda already mounted or /media/usbkey busy
[07:11] <dermitrius> david, didn't notice
[07:11] <mnoir> invite me when you are there
[07:12] <coollink> when i ve plug my ysb key, i think he mount automaticly, no?
[07:12] <bbeck> Hello, I was wondering, in the system settings -> User Account -> Password & User Account, what does "At the Password Prompt" do?  It's set to "Show one star for each letter", and I have no idea what that's for?  Is it for kdesu, that's the only place I can think of where it's showing one star per letter?
[07:12] <dermitrius> coolink, do you have anyothe usb storage devices pluged in?
[07:12] <_david> coollink: I think you are in /media/usbkey, pleaso type cd .. first, type mount to check if it is mounted already
[07:12] <coollink> storage no, jsuta usb mouse
[07:12] <mnoir> bbeck - different ways of fooling folks who watch you type
[07:12] <_david> dermitrius: np
[07:13] <dermitrius> coolink not sure, mine only automount in gui
[07:13] <coollink> beacuse when i have put the key,  i recevei a message, assuming drive cacheL write trhoug
[07:13] <Rodni> If anyone can possibly help me out reinstall my Kubuntu without losing my /home folder (seperate partition) please join the channel #rodni.help
[07:13] <_david> coollink: If it would automount it would automount on that directory so that can not be it, you are probably in the /media/usbkey directory, that's why it says its busy
[07:14] <Rodni> I would really appreciate any help
[07:14] <coollink> ok yes
[07:14] <coollink> that trug im in that dir
[07:14] <_david> coollink: I mean would not automaount.. :)
[07:14] <bbeck> mnoir: Ah yes I know, but where is it setting one star per letter?
[07:14] <rysiek> hi there
[07:14] <dermitrius> coollink an idea, under media what dirs are there, what data, if any is on the key, and if so does it match the data inside of any the dirs in /media?
[07:14] <rysiek> anyone can give me a hint what app should I use for TeX editing?
[07:15] <dermitrius> coollink sry if that seems confusing
[07:15] <coollink> ok
[07:15] <dermitrius> coollink i took a long while to write because it nearly confused me :)
[07:15] <coollink> under media, i have sdb1, there i have my storage
[07:15] <rysiek> I need to create a TeX document, and can't seem to find any reasonable editor
[07:15] <coollink> under usbkey, nothing
[07:15] <_david> rysiek: do you mean an editor to type the TeX text, or an editor that generates it?
[07:15] <dumkopf> rysiek: teTeX?
[07:15] <coollink> so the usb ey is alreay mount
[07:16] <coollink> i see my stuff
[07:16] <dermitrius> coollink ok fair enough
[07:16] <rysiek> _david: editor to type - well, Kate seems to do it OK, I need something that would show me, what the forula looks like :)
[07:16] <rysiek> dumkopf: looking into it ;)
[07:16] <coollink> so how forgot waht are we doing that:P
[07:16] <coollink> copy a log file?
[07:16] <_david> rysiek: there is a good editor for kde to do that, I will try to remember the name :)
[07:16] <rysiek> kformula? :]
[07:17] <dumkopf> Kile
[07:17] <_david> rysiek: it's called kile
[07:17] <_david> hehe too late :D
[07:17] <rysiek> ok, thx :)
[07:17] <bbeck> rysiek: I'm not that familiar with Tex, but I think Lyx might be what you're looking for.
[07:17] <_david> yeah, but lyx is to generate the latex
[07:17] <dermitrius> coollink ok (sudo) cp /var/log/xorg.*.log to the usbkey (not certain that will copy them all if there is more than 1)
[07:18] <dermitrius> coolling for the runabout process of mounting the usbkey, if was just incase it wasn't automounted :)
[07:18] <dermitrius> coollink*
[07:19] <coollink> ok :p
[07:19] <dermitrius> coollink did they copy?
[07:19] <coollink> they is any way to unplug the usb key? orjsute unplug it
[07:20] <coollink> yes they copy
[07:20] <_david> coollink: first umount
[07:20] <_david> coollink: sudo umount /media/sda1
[07:20] <dreamwave> hello.  i've got an airlink mimo xr wifi card (rt2600 chip).  does anyone know if kubuntu supports this?
[07:21] <Snake__> !ndiswrapper
[07:21] <ubotu> I guess ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[07:21] <_macke> hey! does anyone know the adress for freequest? i tried irc.freequest.net but no luck.
[07:21] <dermitrius> coollink or come out of dir if you are in a dir on the usbkey then unplug is another way to doit and it avoids umount issues such as device is in use :)
[07:22] <dreamwave> thanks Snake__
[07:22] <coollink> ok, now i have the log on this coputer, how i send it to you?
[07:22] <Snake__> dreamwave: I'm not sure if it will work, wifi on linux is extremely hit and miss
[07:22] <_macke> how do i unpack rar files??
[07:22] <Snake__> !rar
[07:22] <ubotu> methinks rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[07:22] <_david> but does someone know what happens if I edit a config file (say /etc/X11/xorg.conf) and than I upgrade x, will it overwrite the config file?
[07:22] <Snake__> _macke: thats to you
[07:23] <_macke> Snake_:Thanks!
[07:23] <dreamwave> Snake__: don't i know it.  i've got madwifi running an atheros mini-pci card.  it took a lot of tweaking to get it right.  i've never done the ndiswrapper thing.  but there is always a first time...
[07:24] <dermitrius> coollink ok with key in irc machine, right click on my name in the user list, then left click send file (should work for most irc clients)
[07:24] <dermitrius> coollink how many logs were there?
[07:24] <Snake__> dreamwave: IMHO ndiswrapper is great, but I would use whatever works with the card, for me it was ndiswrapper, thats why that was my first answer :)
[07:24] <coollink> 2 log, but one was.old,
[07:24] <coollink> ive send th elog to you, but did you accept?
[07:25] <dermitrius> coollink ok
[07:25] <_david> coollink: or poste the newest one on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com  so I can take a look too :)
[07:25] <_macke> Snake_: Ark says that unrar isnt installed, but i downloaded it five minutes ago...
[07:25] <dermitrius> coollink prolly a better idea :)
[07:25] <Snake__> _macke: what do you mean?
[07:25] <dermitrius> coollink use that method that david mentioned
[07:26] <coollink> ok i have done that
[07:26] <_david> coollink: can you poste the url to your message here?
[07:26] <Snake__> _macke: You instelled unrar-nonfree?
[07:26] <dermitrius> coollink ok i'm taking a look
[07:26] <coollink> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/563004
[07:26] <_david> coollink: thanks
[07:26] <_macke> Snake_:yes
[07:26] <coollink> thx to you guys
[07:27] <Snake__> mazer: then did you do this step: "sudo ln -s /usr/bin/unrar /usr/bin/rar"
[07:27] <Snake__> oops
[07:27] <Snake__> _macke: that step was to you
[07:28] <Snake__> hatake_kakashi: connection probs?
[07:29] <bam_> anyone know how to capture the output of a command?
[07:29] <dermitrius> david, no (EE) that i can see
[07:29] <_macke> SNake_: yeah i get this: "/usr/bin/rar": the file does not exist
[07:29] <Snake__> _macke: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[07:29] <_david> coollink: can you try typing xinit
[07:29] <_david> coollink: I thinks it's a kdm problem and not a x problem
[07:29] <Snake__> _macke: im not really sure :( sorry
[07:30] <coollink> i taped xinit, and now i have the blackscreen
[07:30] <_david> dermitrius: no, no real errors, it fails at Synaptics DeviceOff called
[07:30] <_macke> Snake_: ok Thanks anyway!
[07:31] <_david> coollink: you dont have a cross mouse pointer, just entirely black?
[07:31] <dermitrius> david, he has a laptop, satellite m70 sr600
[07:31] <coollink> all black, th emonitore seem to be off, like rez problem
[07:32] <coollink> and now, i cant go back to the consol, i seem stock in the black screen... alt f5, f2, etc doese work
[07:32] <_david> coollink: ok, type ctrl-alt-backspace to get back
[07:32] <_david> coollink: that kills x
[07:32] <coollink> nide :D
[07:32] <coollink> that work
[07:33] <dermitrius> coollink brb
[07:33] <_david> coollink: ok, a minute please, I will try to find the problem
[07:33] <coollink> thx
[07:33] <dermitrius> coollink back
[07:33] <_macke> hey! does anyone know the adress for freequest? i tried irc.freequest.net but no luck.
[07:35] <_macke> !freequest
[07:35] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _macke
[07:35] <_macke> lol
[07:36] <Snake__> malte: try this
[07:36] <Snake__> eleet.sc.us.freequest.net
[07:36] <_macke> Snake_:Thanks
[07:37] <Snake__> _macke: You will notice that freequest runs on port 7000, not 6667 (IRC standard) so you can connect to irc.freequest.net, but you need to tell your client to connent to port 7000
[07:37] <_macke> Snake_: oh ok Thanks!
[07:38] <coollink> it seem to be an hard one:P
[07:39] <Snake__> coollink: huh?
[07:39] <coollink> my problem,
[07:39] <_david> coollink: I googled a bit, could you take a look at line 13 of  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xorg-common_xresources
[07:39] <_david> coollink: sudo nano /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xorg-common_xresources
[07:40] <_david> coollink: than on line 13 run_parts should be run-parts
[07:40] <hara__> hello
[07:41] <dermitrius> _david, i let you have a shot, cigerrete brack :), i'll keep watch. gl
[07:41] <_david> dermitrius: ok cya
[07:41] <hara__> does anyone know how to get wine-apps to get machine real ip instead of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[07:42] <coollink> have a good smoke:P
[07:42] <coollink> yes th eline is _part, i chagne for -part?
[07:42] <_david> coollink: yep
[07:42] <dermitrius> coollink aye i'll fill my lungs with tar good and proper :)
[07:42] <coollink> after? i launch xinit?
[07:42] <_david> coollink: yes
[07:43] <coollink> i have a black screen again.....
[07:43] <_david> coollink: mm not cool :), could you try ctrl-alt-backspace and than sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[07:44] <_david> coollink: that will restart the login deamon
[07:45] <coollink> ok, i done that, and i have a blackscreen again
[07:46] <_david> coollink: mm, than that wasn't the problem, too bad :)
[07:46] <coollink> yes:P
[07:46] <dermitrius> _david this is a good one ain't it
[07:47] <coollink> now i cannot do alt FX, or ctrl alt backspace
[07:47] <coollink> i reboot?
[07:47] <_david> coollink: no, you should be able to do ctrl-alt-f1
[07:48] <_david> coollink: to leave x you need ctrl-alt-f1 instead of just alt-f1
[07:48] <coollink> no, i doset work
[07:48] <coollink> my laptop screen seem off
[07:48] <coollink> like i have balckscreen
[07:48] <_david> coollink: mm, than it really locked up :) to savely reboot type ctrl-alt-del :)
[07:49] <coollink> lol, that doest work ...
[07:49] <_david> coollink: ok that it's really really really locked up, than you should reboot indeed..
[07:50] <coollink> i pressed the power up button, and linux turn me back into the console but he said restard Now,
[07:50] <coollink> the system wasten lock up
[07:50] <coollink> now kubuntu is loading
[07:50] <_david> coollink: owh, ok thats good..
[07:51] <_david> coollink: I think the problem is with your touchpad
[07:51] <coollink> touch pad?
[07:52] <dumkopf> anyone use ipw2200 drivers for centrino wireless?
[07:52] <coollink> i have a new probleme now,
[07:52] <coollink> i tink is becaus emy usb lkey is not in,
[07:52] <coollink> moutn file system failed
[07:52] <_david> dermitrius: sorry, missed your message, yeah this one really is hard to solve
[07:53] <dumkopf> unless it failed to mount root or proc or something important, boot should continue regardless of a failed mount
[07:53] <dermitrius> coollink that is the additional line in fstab, not required now :)
[07:53] <dermitrius> coollink sry about that :p
[07:53] <coollink> yes, that was i thinking
[07:53] <mnoir> anyone know why kubuntu recovery mode would mount the root fs readonly??
[07:54] <dumkopf> mnoir, it's a failsafe measure afaik
[07:54] <mnoir> mine doesnt - it makes it VERY hard to repair a system...
[07:54] <Rodni> so this happenes under kubuntu only?
[07:55] <Rodni> that dosent make sense. Why call it recovery then?
[07:55] <mnoir> this is happening on rodni's sys and it is getting in the way...
[07:55] <_david> mnoir: if you need to repait you best use a livecd
[07:55] <Rodni> I have Kubuntu live
[07:56] <coollink> i think i should Reinstall my linux distrib,
[07:56] <mnoir> ok - we can do that - whatta pita
[07:56] <dumkopf> no.  it's a general failsafe to keep you from corrupting the filesystem accidentally.
[07:56] <coollink> i cant even more go to the console, ctral alt backspace dosent work
[07:56] <mnoir> bach to the help
[07:56] <dumkopf> you should be able to remount it rw, shouldn't you?
[07:56] <coollink> ctral alt fx not work to
[07:56] <coollink> i still on a black screen
[07:57] <mnoir> rodni - i'm back in yer channel
[07:57] <Rodni> oh yeah :P
[07:58] <dermitrius> coollink so after boot no kde login screen and not able to switch console, don't soung good
[07:58] <dumkopf> cat /etc/mtab will tell you how it's mounted.  mount -w will mount the fs rw
[07:58] <Snake__> Man there are no good kopete styles
[07:58] <_david> coollink: I don't know something else to try, I think the problem is something with X and your touchpad, sorry that we couldn't solve it
[07:59] <coollink> its ok,
[07:59] <mister_roboto> What is the easiest way to upgrade breezy to dapper? can i just "s/breezy/dapper/g" in my sources.list?
[07:59] <coollink> yes dermitrius, thats th eprobleme now
[07:59] <_david> Snake__: it will have in the future :) http://matt.rogers.name/cgi-bin/pyblosxom.cgi/KDE/kopete_0.12.html
[07:59] <coollink> but i will reinstal linux for check if it will work
[07:59] <coollink> youve don well to help me, thxc
[07:59] <_david> coollink: ok, I'm leaving now, hope you will get it running :) cya
[08:00] <coollink> perhaps we talk about that later,
[08:00] <coollink> yes thx agin, i have to leave too
[08:00] <dumkopf> mister_roboto: i ghosted my drive and performed a clean install.  i've yet to do a dist-upgrade across distribution versions without breaking at least a dozen things
[08:00] <coollink> have a nic eday! guys
[08:00] <dermitrius> coollink i guess there are three choices, reinstall breezy, switch to dapper and see if it is fixed there or try the linux laptop help site
[08:00] <dermitrius> coollink bb
[08:01] <coollink> thank, bybye
[08:01] <DevGet> Is there any howto for get Xgl work with kubuntu dapper?
[08:01] <dermitrius> coollink not sure what the url for that site though, sry
[08:01] <dermitrius> coollink sry we couldn't sort it
[08:01] <KarnaK> !chroot
[08:01] <ubotu> I heard chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[08:02] <coollink> it ok, i have to go now, thx again  ciya
[08:03] <KarnaK> Snake_: i had the rar file in /usr/bin but its owner is root how do i change that?
[08:03] <dermitrius> _david its a shame hey, that was a hard one, i wish him goodluck in getting it sorted
[08:04] <Snake__> KarnaK: Im not really sure...but you could do "chmod 777" to give you, and everyone else full access
[08:04] <dermitrius> opps he is gone :)
[08:04] <dermitrius> bye all
[08:04] <Snake__> cya dermitrius
[08:04] <KarnaK> Snake_: ok is it "chmod 777 rar" then??
[08:04] <Snake__> KarnaK: sudo chmod 777 <file here>
[08:05] <Donvinzk> hi, I use kubuntu, but I ca not have double click working in gtk apps
[08:05] <KarnaK> Snake_: hehe now i get :/usr/bin/rar": the file exists
[08:05] <Snake__> wtf?
[08:05] <Snake__> rofl
[08:06] <Snake__> man I have no idea....I dunno much about rars and whatnot
[08:06] <KarnaK> Snake_: ok ill keep trying. Thanks anyway
[08:06] <Snake__> Yep
[08:07] <Feldon> I added the src "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main" to adept and did a full upgrade.  After restarting I added "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main" and did another full upgrade.  After restarting, though, I still have 3 packages listed as upgradeable, but when I hit Full Upgrade none of them are upgraded.  Did I do something wrong?
[08:09] <sebastian> guys
[08:09] <sebastian> why is cd burning not working in ubuntu?
[08:10] <grim76> sebastian: are you getting some kind of error when you go to burn a disc you need to be more specific if possible.
[08:12] <sebastian> 3b: ERROR: (K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry.
[08:12] <sebastian> 3b: ERROR: (K3bDevice::Device) Unable to do inquiry.
[08:12] <grim76> Did you try running k3b as root to see if it give you the same error?
[08:14] <sebastian> yea, im running  it as root
[08:15] <grim76> Do you happen to be burning the disc on the fly?
[08:16] <sebastian> yes
[08:16] <grim76> try it without burning on the fly and see if it works.
[08:17] <sebastian> ok
[08:18] <grim76> A quick google shows that there are several people across distros that are having the same problem you are and it has been bug reported back to K3b as near as I can tell.
[08:19] <Feldon> is there a reason why after adding the kde351 source, doing a 'fetch updates' (which results in 68 upgradeable packages), doing a full upgrade and then commit changes, that I would still have 3 upgradeable pacakges that Full Upgrade/Commit Changes won't install?
[08:19] <sebastian> well..im having a similar problem in gnomebaker/serpentine
[08:20] <sebastian> i was able to burn cd's in ubuntu before
[08:20] <grim76> hmmm not sure then.  Let me dig some more.
[08:20] <sebastian> i have no clue
[08:20] <shawn_home> Do we have a desktop recording tool for KDE?
[08:20] <shawn_home> xvidcap/gvidcap aren't in Dapper yet (dependency wait)
[08:22] <sebastian> some more info:
[08:22] <sebastian> /usr/bin/X11/cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
[08:22] <sebastian> /usr/bin/X11/cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set priority using setpriority().
[08:22] <sebastian> /usr/bin/X11/cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
[08:22] <sebastian> Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root?
[08:23] <grim76> Please use pastebin for posting multiple lines
[08:23] <sebastian> same thing happens with on-the-fly disabled
[08:23] <sebastian> k, sorry
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[08:29] <Tm_T> Nirvana: krhm
[08:29] <Nirvana> ?
[08:30] <Tm_T> don't spam to channel
[08:30] <Nirvana> ahh..lol
[08:31] <_tijn> wtf?
[08:32] <_tijn> ah tumbleweed :D
[08:32] <sorush20> when Is kmplayer comming on ?
[08:33] <_tijn> cool, will there be a kmplayer?
[08:34] <Nirvana> kmplayer: you mean the pkg?
[08:34] <Nirvana> there used to be one on the download page
[08:34] <sebastian> k, i'm desperate, gonna try graveman
[08:35] <_tijn> mmh any way to speed up kubuntu?
[08:35] <_tijn> got some wierd stuff going on
[08:36] <PaloDeQueso> How's flight 4 of dapper, and does xgl work?
[08:36] <_tijn> iam downloading files on my 11mbit wireless from my internal network, (100mbit) and i only get 667 kb/s
[08:37] <_tijn> when i do a mount -a (with nfs shares in fstab) it takes 10 min!
[08:38] <sorush20> how do you guys fix this checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021) and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[08:39] <sebastian> graveman is not downloading, can someone gimme a direct link?
[08:39] <sorush20> anyone here want a gmail account?
[08:40] <Plouj> humm
[08:40] <PaloDeQueso> How's flight 4 of dapper, and does xgl work?
[08:40] <sebastian> graveman is not downloading, can someone gimme a direct link?
[08:40] <Plouj> LILO refuses to install into the ubuntu partition, and I can't install it into MBR for personal reasons
[08:41] <PaloDeQueso> with your qt error, install apt-file with apt-get, then do apt-file update, and then search for the specific library, like libqt3* with apt-file search (file)
[08:41] <PaloDeQueso> :)
[08:44] <Donvinzk> When I try to delete a directory on a usb hard driev, I get an error saying that the trash protocol is unbable to create directories
[08:45] <dumkopf> put "user" as an option in fstab, for mounting it.
[08:45] <Donvinzk> dumkopf: it is not a problem of rights, I can add, delete files, but not delete a directory
[08:46] <Donvinzk> I guess kde is trying to create a .trash directory
[08:46] <Donvinzk> but I do not want any .trash on a usb key, is it possible to setup this ?
[08:46] <neoncode> Hey is it possible to connect to an Xserver on a remote machene via a LAN that does not have a monitor/keyboard/mouse and use the computer your connecting though to controll the one your conected to..?
[08:46] <dumkopf> shift-delete will let you delete files and not have them hit the trashcan
[08:47] <neoncode> Oh wait, I think google turned up something...
[08:47] <dumkopf> neoncode: you're interested in vncserver
[08:48] <angasule> 41C :( thank the lords of kobol for liquid cooling!
[08:51] <dumkopf> angasule: the next step is actively cooling the radiator with dry ice ;)
[08:51] <angasule> actually, I'm drinking cold water
[08:51] <Donvinzk> dumkopf: is the problem I am facing something uusual, or did I missed something ?
[08:52] <dumkopf> bah!  liquid cooling is a misleading term when you're in a linux channel
[08:52] <angasule> hahaha I love misleading people :P
[08:52] <dumkopf> Donvinzk: the only problem you're having is that K can't create a directory for .trash?
[08:53] <Donvinzk> yes
[08:54] <dumkopf> well, given that it's a USB stick, and you don't want trash on it anywat, I'd just shift-delete instead of regular delete.  it may be a problem that the specific process that K is using to create the directory doesn't have the rights to do so
[08:54] <dumkopf> what's your mtab got to say about it?
[08:54] <_macke> !rar
[08:54] <ubotu> from memory, rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[08:58] <_macke> I cant get unrar to work in ark, any tips??
[08:58] <dumkopf> Donvinzk: you should see something in your mtab to the tune of "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 vfat rw,user 0 0"
[09:01] <Donvinzk> dumkopf: /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdisk vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=winnt,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[09:01] <Donvinzk> and, /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=winnt,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[09:02] <_macke> i get this: ln: "/usr/bin/rar": the file exists" when i run "sudo ln -s /usr/bin/unrar /usr/bin/rar"
[09:02] <dumkopf> Donvinzk: has it got "user" as an option in your fstab?
[09:03] <Donvinzk> it has nothing in my fstab since it is automoyunted
[09:03] <dumkopf> aah.  hm.
[09:03] <Donvinzk> I just have my hda and hdc in the fstab
[09:03] <dumkopf> i was having a very similar problem with my ipod until I gave up and wrote udev rules to handle it
[09:04] <Donvinzk> dumkopf: I have an ipod too ;-)
[09:05] <dumkopf> Donvinzk: if you try to create directory on your usb keydrive yourself, do you get an error?
[09:05] <Donvinzk> but I will manage it with gtkpod
[09:05] <Donvinzk> no
[09:05] <dumkopf> that's weird.  even if it's named .trash?
[09:05] <Donvinzk> just when I try to trash what I created
[09:05] <Donvinzk> no error creating .trash
[09:06] <Voodoo_Vibe> anyone who has the time to help me??
[09:07] <Donvinzk> dumkopf: when I will have more time I will create udev rules too, it is far more efficient, and it seems simple
[09:08] <Donvinzk> and in my gtk apps, if I double click, nothing happen, for example if I want to highlight text, do you have any idea on this ?
[09:09] <Donvinzk> I come back in a minute
[09:09] <MrDez> voodoo: whats up?
[09:10] <MrDez> is Konversation based on xchat?
[09:10] <Voodoo_Vibe> MrDez: im trying to install rar support, but cant get it to work
[09:10] <MrDez> ah
[09:11] <MrDez> did u use the automatix script to install it?
[09:11] <Voodoo_Vibe> ive downloaded unrar-free and run the command i get when typing !rar but no luck
[09:11] <Voodoo_Vibe> automatix??
[09:11] <MrDez> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563&highlight=automatix
[09:11] <MrDez> installed just about everything u'll need on ubuntu
[09:12] <MrDez> make sure u dont have synaptic open when u run it
[09:12] <MrDez> it will give you a full menu of things to install
[09:12] <Voodoo_Vibe> MrDez: ok, Thanks, will try it!
[09:12] <MrDez> nice part it it configures everything 'right' for you
[09:15] <ccc_> !automatix
[09:15] <ubotu> automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'ynYn'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, but it's often best to read the documentation.
[09:15] <Voodoo_Vibe> MrDez: cant do this one; wget http://beerorkid.com/automatix/automatix_5.4-3_i386.deb    I get connection denied
[09:15] <ccc_> don't use automatix...
[09:15] <MrDez> use sudo
[09:15] <MrDez> why not ccc
[09:16] <ccc_> MrDez: read ubotu 5 lines up.
[09:16] <Voodoo_Vibe> MrDez: doesnt help with sudoo
[09:16] <Voodoo_Vibe> sudo*
[09:16] <MrDez> oh
[09:16] <MrDez> hmm
[09:18] <MrDez> ccc: havent had a single problem yet, deployed it on 14 machines so far
[09:19] <Rodni> :)
[09:19] <MrDez> and im comfortable with cli and editing conf files
[09:20] <ccc_> MrDez: well, it has messed up numerous systems. it's a bad hack.
[09:20] <ccc_> !easyubuntu
[09:20] <ubotu> easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ or #easyubuntu
[09:20] <ccc_> i'd rather go with easyubuntu... or learn how to do things the "proper" way. it's not that hard :)
[09:22] <ccc_> and definitely worth the effort.
[09:22] <neoncode> Hey if i built a DMZ, if a computer is connected to the outer part of it, can it become part of the inner LAN safely?
[09:22] <dumkopf> right.  once you learn the tricks, you can sit in this channel and help people who have the exact same problem as you :)
[09:22] <Nomad411> !java
[09:22] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:23] <Voodoo_Vibe> !sfv
[09:23] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Voodoo_Vibe
[09:24] <neoncode> No help?
[09:24] <mnoir> i have been working with Rodni to fix his os install but have run into a time problem and a problem I cannot explain
[09:24] <Voodoo_Vibe> !cfv
[09:24] <ubotu> Voodoo_Vibe: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:24] <Voodoo_Vibe> !cksfv
[09:24] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Voodoo_Vibe
[09:24] <mister_roboto> neoncode: depends on what you mean by "become part of the inner lan"   the idea is to only allow certain, well-defined paths into the inner lan
[09:25] <mnoir> in the kubuntu install, we are doing manual partition to preserve his /home
[09:25] <mnoir> but the install is not allowing a finish and rewrite of the partition table.
[09:25] <unix_infidel> hey guys, anyone know why fonts are so much larger, gvim, gaim, kicker, konqueror, etc when i use startx as opposed to kdm?
[09:25] <mnoir> someone want to try to help him figure out why?
[09:28] <neoncode> mister_roboto: well, as far as I know a DMZ has an untursed outer zone and a trusted inner one. My problem is that some of my computers connect wirelessly to my netgear router. witch is also my internect connetion. so some computers must be part of the untruseted zone. but I want some of those wireless computers to be part of the trusted zone. is it possible to set it up so that those computers are seen to be truseted and not com
[09:28] <neoncode> /firewall between the zones?
[09:28] <mnoir> Rodni: so long for now....
[09:29] <mister_roboto> neoncode: look at this   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demilitarized_zone_(computing)
[09:29] <Voodoo_Vibe> Is there any program so i can unrar my files in the shell
[09:29] <ccc_> Voodoo_Vibe: i use unrar-nonfree
[09:30] <Voodoo_Vibe> ccc_:yeah i cant get it working
[09:30] <neoncode> mister_roboto: i'm still confuzed... so is their a way?
[09:30] <ccc_> Voodoo_Vibe: unrar-nonfree supports newer versions of rar than unrar-free iirc.
[09:31] <Rodni> well guys, anyone wants to tell me why when I partition manually and click on finish to continue with installation, it reloads the same partition screen again.
[09:31] <johnny06> how can i install conky on debian sarge
[09:31] <ccc_> Voodoo_Vibe: unrar x file.rar
[09:31] <Rodni> I thinks its unhappy with my selections
[09:31] <Voodoo_Vibe> ccc_: Can i copy the unrar file into the dir with the rars and type something like " unrar myfile.rar" ???
[09:31] <mister_roboto> neoncode: not with the setup you describe wherein some of your wireless computers are trusted, some not, and the wireless router going right to the internet connection
[09:32] <Voodoo_Vibe> ccc_: ok, Thanks
[09:32] <johnny06> i am trying apt-get install conky & it's not there
[09:32] <ccc_> Voodoo_Vibe: no, you don't need to do that. :)
[09:32] <neoncode> mister_roboto: Well actualy all wireless computers I have(all 2 of them) should be trusted... but with the wireless and the internet in the same box... nar...
[09:32] <mister_roboto> neoncode: if you can't understand taht wikipedia link, then i doubt you'll get it right
[09:33] <Voodoo_Vibe> ccc_: i only get command not found
[09:33] <mister_roboto> neoncode: you need a firewall between the DMZ and your trusted lan exposing only some ports into your trusted lan
[09:33] <neoncode> mister_roboto: No I can understand it. I was just wondering if that was possible..
[09:33] <ccc_> Voodoo_Vibe: then it's not installed... if you want unrar-nonfree, type: sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[09:34] <Voodoo_Vibe> ccc_: ive done that
[09:35] <mister_roboto> neoncode: so you want to have one of the wireless computers be the DMZ?
[09:36] <kaze> hello i have a problem with anjuta and gcc can you help me?
[09:36] <kosh> hehe wireless and security
[09:36] <kosh> I guess that is like worrying about fire safety when you are in the middle of a forest fire ;)
[09:36] <mister_roboto> kosh  :)
[09:36] <neoncode> Ahh nevermind. I was trying to find a use for some old computers I have. I'll just build a beowulf cluster..
[09:37] <mister_roboto> neoncode: you could use one of those old computers as a firewall  :)
[09:38] <neoncode> mister_roboto: to protect what?
[09:39] <mister_roboto> your lan from your wireless router connections, for example
[09:40] <neoncode> will anyone ever develop decent security for wireless?
[09:40] <mister_roboto> neoncode: maybe :)
[09:41] <unix_infidel> anyone with any idea bout my problem here, after i started using startx instead of kdm to log into fluxbox i've gotten somethings to work yet all my fonts in various other apps in fluxbox arent anti-alias....
[09:44] <Rodni> Can you tell me one thing. Is there a CD writing application on the Kubuntu Live CD?
[09:45] <kosh> k3b probably
[09:46] <Rodni> that would be great for the job I need
[10:02] <Rodni> Ok the good news is there is k3b in the live CD version. However, how do I access my /home folder using a live cd?
[10:02] <Rodni> Is that possible somehow?
[10:04] <ccc_> Rodni: a hard drive? yes, if it's mounted. it's hopefully automounted at boot up.
[10:04] <brodel> I'd say it is.. but I don't know how to tell you
[10:04] <Rodni> it is mounted I can see it but how to access trough konqueror?
[10:05] <ccc_> i guess kubuntu mounts it in /mnt
[10:06] <FlakJacket> you can also see stuff in /media can't you?
[10:07] <FlakJacket> srry if that's old but i just got back
[10:08] <Rodni> aaaah fuck yeah!
[10:08] <Rodni> 3 hours of kubuntu and I finally done it
[10:09] <howcomes> Anyone running Fluxbox ?
[10:09] <unix_infidel> hey, ok, i've got all my X and font issues taken care of on my own with some startx manip, and some help from the guys in #kde
[10:09] <howcomes> i've decided to give it a go
[10:10] <unix_infidel> however, now i have a problem with how cpufreq just randomly changes governors when i plug in my AC adapter and when i close the lid and such.
[10:10] <unix_infidel> did ubuntu guys just randomly make acpi rules for this stuff on laptops
[10:10] <unix_infidel> howcomes: i'm running fluxbox, what's up?
[10:12] <Mindwork> hi from Kubuntu on an iBook
[10:14] <howcomes> infidel, was just wondering
[10:15] <Nirvana> How do you set up a network bridge in Win2000 (or ubuntu, whichever)
[10:15] <_evil_h_> i need help! installing java is driving me up the wall. i have followed every HOWTO i can find and i get the same error with every one when i try to install (says that it can't find the package). all repos are active so whats the deal?
[10:16] <Nirvana> is it called connection sharing?
[10:16] <Nirvana> _evil_h_: isn't java in the repos?
[10:17] <_evil_h_> i thought so but it dont work i guess. ive installed them but java dont work
[10:18] <Nirvana> I have sun-j2re1.5 -> is that  what you'd like?
[10:18] <_evil_h_> nirvana: yeah
[10:19] <Nirvana> and you don't have it?
[10:19] <Nirvana> one sec...
[10:19] <_evil_h_> i downloaded the .bin file but whenever i try to install through Konsole get the same error
[10:22] <Nirvana> _evil_h_: I'll paste my sources.list in pastebin. Backup yours (sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup) and overwrite it with mine: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/563305
[10:23] <_evil_h_> nirvana: thanks ill give that a try
[10:28] <howcomes> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133128
[10:37] <snoozix> does one use "karamba"? if so, what are those .theme files? i found a .skz - is this what i want?
[10:45] <unix_infidel> hey guys, how does kubuntu manage cpu scaling with pM chips
[10:45] <_evil_h_> i dunno
[10:45] <unix_infidel> for some reason it always changes governors on me whenever i'm on or off ac adapter, close lid and such.
[10:46] <_evil_h_> i just turned ACPI off
[10:46] <unix_infidel> i'm trying to use manual cpufreq
[10:46] <unix_infidel> _evil_h_: has nothing to do with acpi.
[10:46] <unix_infidel> anyone else who knows what they're talking about :P
[10:46] <_evil_h_> sorry. too much coffee and not enough sleep makes raymond a dumb boy
[10:56] <_evil_h_> any recommendations on what program in the repos to use for a vnc server?
[10:57] <snoozix> there are many :)
[10:58] <snoozix> so
[10:58] <snoozix> i used tightvnc
[10:58] <snoozix> but it's really years ago.
[10:58] <_evil_h_> hmm
[10:58] <snoozix> 4 years or so.
[10:58] <_evil_h_> guess ill just install one at a time and test it see which one i like better
[10:58] <snoozix> why not :)
[10:58] <snoozix> freedom of choice.
[10:59] <_evil_h_> :)
[10:59] <snoozix> uhm
[10:59] <snoozix> i wanted to ask something, but now i forgot what.
[11:00] <snoozix> ah right, i got kde with twinview and when i got the window on the monitor without panels i can not move the window to the very upper/lower border because kde thinks there is a panel which shouldn't be covered.
[11:00] <snoozix> but it's insane because the panel is on the other desktop.
[11:00] <Crowbar> Has anyone been having issues with konqueror freezing for several seconds each time you select a text box to type in? including the location bar?
[11:01] <snoozix> an alternative would be to put same-heighted panels on both monitors, but i think that would be a mad workaround.
[11:01] <snoozix> Crowbar: me not *shrug*
[11:01] <Crowbar> Sucks for me then.  It's starting to drive me insane and i might have to reinstall to fix it.
[11:01] <_evil_h_> Crowbar: on occasion but i think its just cause my laptop aint the greatest
[11:01] <snoozix> Crowbar: sounds bad.
[11:02] <snoozix> who's using an mp3 player (usb) with (k)ubuntu? i need help :)
[11:03] <Crowbar> _evil_h_: This just started happening recently.  I have no idea what could be causing.  Didn't update anything or change any settings.  It is definitely freezing up every time I put the cursor in one.
[11:03] <tuxedup> what type snoozix, one thats recognised as a external storage or needing some particular software to access it?
[11:04] <snoozix> tuxedup: just quite a normal usb mass storage player with usb 2.0. it works and i can transfer songs to it. that's not the problem.
[11:04] <snoozix> tuxedup: i'll paste the fstab entry and complete my question, mom.
[11:04] <snoozix> /dev/sdb1       /mnt/mp3player  vfat   user,uid=1000,gid=1000,sync
[11:04] <snoozix> this is how i got it.
[11:05] <snoozix> but it's not really synced and sometimes songs are incomplete and i don't know why.
[11:05] <snoozix> and i only can copy stuff via mc or console, konqueror won't really work.
[11:05] <snoozix> and i want such a beautiful device icon for it on my desktop to mount/umount it!
[11:06] <howcomes> 4) logout and login using failsafe xterm session
[11:06] <howcomes> what does that mean?
[11:06] <tuxedup> just create a link to it on the desktop then right clck the link and chnage the icon thats how i have mine
[11:06] <howcomes> i understand what logout/in is, but what is a failsafe xterm session
[11:07] <snoozix> howcomes: an xterm
[11:07] <snoozix> howcomes: instead of gnome/kde/whatever.
[11:07] <howcomes> hmm
[11:07] <snoozix> tuxedup: i would like something rightclickable where i can select "mount"
[11:08] <Crowbar> howcomes: Nothing is loaded except an xterm window.  No window manager or support programs.  It's for recovering from a misconfiguration.  or running a game sometimes if you want all the resources you can get.
[11:08] <tuxedup> it does for me
[11:08] <howcomes> how do i go about logging in using this method
[11:08] <tuxedup> if you double clikc the link it moutns it for me
[11:08] <tuxedup> and right clikc has moputn and unmount s well
[11:08] <howcomes> i dont remember seeing it in my GRUB list, but it might be there just have looked hard enough
[11:12] <tuxedup> will gaim 2.0 have video and voice does anyone know?
[11:15] <jc-denton> hi all
[11:15] <_evil_h_> hola
[11:15] <jc-denton> how do i get kde 3.5.1 in breezy
[11:16] <bimberi> !kde3.5.1
[11:16] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5.1, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:16] <bimberi> jc-denton: hi, ^^^^ is for you :)
[11:16] <jc-denton> thx :)
[11:16] <bimberi> np :)
[11:16] <jc-denton> i was on the kubuntu site, but could not find it
[11:17] <jc-denton> ah
[11:17] <jc-denton> i had deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:17] <jarlath_> There are still a few dependency problems with kde3.5.1 arent there? I dont think I could install kmail when I upgraded to 3.5.1
[11:17] <jc-denton> note the missing 1 after 35
[11:20] <coollink> hi, can someone tell me if i can install linux on an other partition than windows, and keep my windows partition working, like on boot i can choose between windwos or linux
[11:21] <jarlath_> coollink, yes you can.
[11:21] <gstevens> Hi, I'm trying to get my TV card working. When I run XAWTV, it says: "can't open /dev/video0: No such device"
[11:21] <gstevens> what can I do?
[11:22] <jarlath_> coollink: I havent done it myself with kubuntu because I dont use windows, but I know its possible.
[11:22] <coollink> ok nice, i have already a windows partition, and i have a free 40 gb partition for linux and is swap, with the latest kubuntu dvd bootable, how can i do this?
[11:22] <gstevens> My tv card is Internext CX23416
[11:22] <_evil_h_> !dualboot
[11:22] <bimberi> coollink: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[11:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[11:22] <bimberi> _evil_h_: :)
[11:22] <_evil_h_> coollink: ^^^
[11:22] <coollink> oh, thx guys
[11:22] <coollink> i will check that
[11:23] <_evil_h_> coollink: it works too i have two computers with Kubuntu and Windows dual booted
[11:24] <_evil_h_> !RealVNC
[11:24] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _evil_h_
[11:29] <jc-denton> i saw some kind of preview sidebar in konqueror 3.5.1
[11:29] <jc-denton> how can i get that?
[11:29] <jc-denton> i mean where do i need to click
[11:29] <coollink> when i boot on the kubuntu DVD i have 2 option, press enter and go on live DVD or doing install  enter, what is the corect way for instal kubuntu for the dual boot?
[11:30] <jarlath_> jc-denton: F9?
[11:30] <jc-denton> yes but i only see the sidebars that i had when using 3.5.0
[11:31] <jarlath_> oh, okay. I dont know then.
[11:31] <_evil_h_> coollink: install. going to LiveCD is not going to install its just going to run Kubuntu off the DVD
[11:31] <coollink> ok, and if i already on live dvd, can i jsut restart and doing the install without affected my windows partition?
[11:32] <jarlath_> coollink: you need to be careful that you dont delete your windows partition when installing.
[11:32] <coollink> yes
[11:33] <_evil_h_> yeah i highly recommend making sure everything on your windows partition is backed up just in case
[11:34] <coollink> ok thx
[11:38] <jc-denton> lol
[11:38] <_evil_h_> i dont use bluetooth so is it safe to remove it from my system or does something non- bluetooth related use it?
[11:38] <jc-denton> i have to install metabar of course
[11:44] <jarlath_> jc-denton: what is metabar?
[11:45] <jc-denton> a bar with preview and stuff for konqueror
[11:45] <jc-denton> apt-get install metabar
[11:45] <jarlath_> cool, ill try it :) thanks.
[11:45] <jc-denton> if ur interested
[11:55] <slow-motion> n8


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[16:01] <cpaelzer> nacc who is todays chair isn't here yet - so a slow o/
[16:01] <rharper> \o
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[16:02] <magicalChicken> o/
[16:02] <smb> o/
[16:02] <cpaelzer> ok, lets start - nacc can take over later
[16:03] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul  5 16:03:00 2016 UTC.  The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:03] <cpaelzer> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <cpaelzer> checkign the log ...
[16:03] <cpaelzer> no old actions
[16:03] <cpaelzer> #topic Yakkety Development
[16:03] <cpaelzer> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule
[16:03] <cpaelzer> has anyone recent updates on Y development?
[16:04] <rharper> the alphas were posted
[16:04] <cpaelzer> thanks rharper I didn't realizie that yet
[16:04] <cpaelzer> rharper: is there any useful link for the log to refer to?
[16:05] <rharper> #link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[16:05] <cpaelzer> ah so just the usual place, thanks a lot rharper
[16:05] <rharper> yeah
[16:05] <cpaelzer> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:05] <cpaelzer> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-y-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:05] <cpaelzer> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-x-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:05] <cpaelzer> lets take a look together if anything important popped up whcih isn't taken care of yet
[16:07] <cpaelzer> most look like in progress
[16:07] <cpaelzer> and for some of the new ones I know that rbasak distributed them to us already
[16:07] <cpaelzer> so I think we are good here for the week
[16:07] <cpaelzer> any bug someone wants to highlight before we continue?
[16:08] <rharper> they all look covered to me too
[16:08] <cpaelzer> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:08] <cpaelzer> caribou: up to you for updates
[16:09] <cpaelzer> I didn't see a o/ from him either so far, maybe he is unavailable
[16:09] <cpaelzer> anybody else a general Server & Cloud bug topic to throw in?
[16:10] <cpaelzer> the week around 4th of july is impressively silent :-)
[16:10] <cpaelzer> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions FROM the QA Team
[16:10] <cpaelzer> you might have realized I changed the usual topic slightly as we now have powersj with us
[16:10] <powersj> :) hey folks
[16:10] <rharper> cpaelzer: =)
[16:11] <powersj> first day, got email going finally, so I will be in contact shortly. Would like to get input from rharper or others around the CI system.
[16:11] <rharper> indeed
[16:11] <powersj> Access, what's there, etc.
[16:11] <powersj> If there are other documents or pointers please send away or let me know!
[16:11] <cpaelzer> reasonable - the overall QA Team will likely also share more of the overall QA strategy things
[16:12] <cpaelzer> powersj: so we should throw CI/QA stuff at you and you sort out what you jump on ?
[16:12] <cpaelzer> good
[16:12] <powersj> cpaelzer, sure. Jon left me with some guidance as well
[16:12] <cpaelzer> good
[16:12] <cpaelzer> in any case (throwing info or not) a big welcome to powersj
[16:12] <cpaelzer> ^^WELCOME^^
[16:12] <cpaelzer> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:12] <powersj> thanks! glad to be here
[16:12] <smb> Nothing really as in updates. Are there questions?
[16:13] <cpaelzer> no updates means good news in that case
[16:14] <cpaelzer> semms like no questions, thanks smb!
[16:14] <cpaelzer> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:14] <cpaelzer> I was asked to talk about dpdk packaging on a dpdk conf, but that is already kind of assigned
[16:14] <cpaelzer> anything else regarding CFPs?
[16:15] <cpaelzer> ok
[16:15] <cpaelzer> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:15] <cpaelzer> with jgrimm on vacation there won't be much new events planned, so lets go on
[16:15] <cpaelzer> #topic Open Discussion
[16:15] <cpaelzer> seeing how things went today I guess no - but anything?
[16:16] <powersj> #server best place to ask questions?
[16:16] <cpaelzer> powersj: if you are secretive #server on internal - if you expect anyone else could either benefit or help you #ubuntu-server is surely better
[16:17] <powersj> k thx
[16:17] <cpaelzer> powersj: also if it is rather generic (not server specific) about ubuntu development/packaging #ubuntu-devel is a good place
[16:17] <cpaelzer> powersj: I'd expect the QA people have an own channel as well - at least internally
[16:17] <cpaelzer> in any case starting on #server and being redirected will work for you until you geta feeling where to go with which question
[16:18] <powersj> alright thanks again
[16:18] <cpaelzer> #topic Announce next meeting 12th of July,  same time chaired by nacc then
[16:19] <rbasak> powersj: #ubuntu-quality is the public Ubuntu QA channel.
[16:19] <cpaelzer> rbasak: thanks!
[16:19] <cpaelzer> rbasak: are you ready for the bgu talk ?
[16:19] <rbasak> I was called away before this meeting so wasn't able to prepare for bug updates, sorry. So I propose to do it on IRC over the next few days and not all together today. But if you have updates prepared, feel free to give me them now, and I'll log them and update later (I still haven't caught up from last week :-(
[16:19] <cpaelzer> #topic Assigned merges/bugwork (rbasak)
[16:20] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I'll wait til you ping me to collect mine instead of flooding the channel like last week
[16:20] <cpaelzer> rbasak: give me a ping once you get to digest the log of last week
[16:20] <rbasak> OK, thanks!
[16:20] <cpaelzer> rbasak: same probably true for all others
[16:20] <rbasak> Yes, I'll ping around in #ubuntu-server.
[16:20] <rbasak> (probably tomorrow)
[16:20] <cpaelzer> nice
[16:21] <cpaelzer> with that a quick meeting this week, thank you all
[16:21] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[16:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul  5 16:21:05 2016 UTC.
[16:21] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-07-05-16.03.moin.txt
[16:21] <rbasak> I'm busy with MySQL at the moment, because Debconf is proceeding in Cape Town so I'm working closely with otto while he's full time there.
[16:23] <rharper> cpaelzer: thanks!
[16:24] <cpaelzer> rharper: tell nacc when he wakes up :-P
[16:24] <rharper> heh


[02:12] <wxl> @DarinMiller you ready for that help?
 wxl give me a few minutes and I will be ready....
 Ok, finally ready...
 Has any one tried creating a sbuild enviro on a fresh install of disco following this guideline:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild ?
 When I reached the Using the schroot section, "schroot -c eoan-amd64 -u root" threw this error: "No chroots are defined in ‘/etc/schroot/schroot.conf’ or ‘/etc/schroot/chroot.d’"
 I manually edited /etc/schroot/schroot.conf and now trying to run as root prompts for a password.... Do I need to set this now?  Last time I set this up, I don't recall setting a root pwd for schroot  (my default sudo password does not work...)
 If I do not run as root (schroot -c eoan-amd64), I see this message: "Failed to change to directory ‘/srv/chroot/eoan’: No such file or directory:  which is accurate, as /srv directory is empty.
 "sbuild-update --keygen" is no longer supported as of cosmic (see FIXME comment) so not sure if that is part of the problem, but this documentation seems a bit stale.
 This documentation seems to be the same: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/setting-up-sbuild.html
[03:37] <wxl> @DarinMiller i presume this is all separate from your interest in working on Calamares?
 Yes, but I my working sbuild eniro was killed when I did a fresh install and now I am unable to make it work.
[03:39] <wxl> i'm not using it on my current dev container
 Anyways, I can plug away at the sbuild issue later...
[03:41] <wxl> first off here's the place where that sbuild guide came from. it might be more up to date? *shrug*
[03:41] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BuildEnvironment
[03:41] <wxl> seems like it. was edited this month
[03:44] <wxl> is sbuild-eoan-amd64 in /etc/schroot/chroot.d/?
[03:44] <wxl> what about //var/lib/shroot/chroots?
 eoan is in /var/lib/schroot/chroots/ but not /etc/schroot/chroot.d/
[03:46] <wxl> strange
[03:46] <wxl> probably needs a thorough review including looking at what mk-sbuild is doing these days
 agreed....
 the link you found has different instructions than the links I referenced above.
 Hey.... It's working now!
 Thanks wxl!
[04:51] <wxl> @DarinMiller you want to talk Calamares now?
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 good night everyone
 I have been @ akademy-es this weekend
 @wxl, just wanted to say that XD
[21:10] <wxl> ooooook?
 wrong quote, soory
 * sorry
 (loose finger on touchpad)
[21:26] <valorie> was it fun and productive?
[21:26] <valorie> also hola
 hola valorie
 @valorie, yes, fun and productive
[21:40] <valorie> great!
[21:41] <valorie> are you frying alive where you live?
[21:41] <valorie> pretty hot here but nothing like y'all are experiencing
[21:42] <valorie> and the radio tells me that tomorrow will be cooler here
[21:42] <valorie> which is great
[21:42] <valorie> hot and dry for the 4th of July sounds like a wildfire waiting to happen
 Nope, it's not extremely hot. Note that I live in the nortwest corner of Spain (Galicia) which is well known for its oftenly rains.
[21:48] <valorie> oh good
[21:48] <valorie> I loved Galicia
[21:49] <valorie> but then Seattle is known for being rainy or at least cloudy. Not usually in the summer anymore though
[21:49] <valorie> getting hotter and hotter every year
 Here in Summer its not very hot, in Winter it's not very cold. In fact in the city I live it just doesn't snow. Last time there was snow here was in the 80s so I was almost a baby.
[21:50] <valorie> that is extremely temperate for sure
 yep