[03:56] <robert_ancell_> bye all
[05:21] <hikiko> hello
[06:03] <didrocks> good morning
[06:19] <seb128> good morning didrocks & desktopers
[06:19] <duflu> Indeed. Morning humans & didrocks
[06:19] <duflu> (superhuman)
[06:21] <didrocks> re seb128, evening duflu :)
[06:21] <seb128> hey duflu
[06:21] <duflu> Hey seb128
[06:21] <seb128> how are things down there?
[06:22] <duflu> seb128: Sunny, green and spring-y
[06:22] <seb128> good :-)
[06:31] <Sweet5hark> good morning, desktoppers!
[06:31] <didrocks> hey Sweet5hark
[06:32] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: heya
[06:33] <pitti> Good morning
[06:33] <didrocks> bonjour pitti
[06:33] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark pitti
[06:34] <Sweet5hark> pitti, seb128: heya
[06:35] <seb128> pitti, how is the sprint? not too stressful?
[06:35] <pitti> ça va didrocks et seb128 !
[06:35] <pitti> moin moin Sweet5hark
[06:35] <Sweet5hark> seb128: fyi, Im gonna finalize the libreoffice 5.0.2 FFE today, I guess.
[06:35] <seb128> Sweet5hark, great
[06:35] <pitti> seb128: lots of spec sessions, running over, still waiting for "mine" :)
[06:36] <seb128> pitti, what's your topic?
[06:36] <pitti> seb128: snappy classic dimension, i. e. having a dpkg/apt chroot/container for development and debugging
[06:37] <seb128> nice
[07:28] <larsu> bonjour!
[07:29] <seb128> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[07:30] <larsu> seb128: gut danke! Et toi?
[07:30] <seb128> larsu, bien, merci!
[07:31]  * larsu was at a pub quiz last night
[07:31] <larsu> one of the questions: what does http stand for
[07:32] <seb128> lol
[07:32] <seb128> did you win the quiz? ;-)
[07:32] <larsu> no, they had other, harder questions
[07:32] <larsu> we came in 3rd
[07:33] <didrocks> hey larsu!
[07:33] <larsu> bonjour didrocks! ça va?
[07:33] <didrocks> larsu: in a hate relationship with python for now, otherwise good :)
[07:33] <larsu> haha
[07:33] <didrocks> stable release upgrade adding features, potentially breaking me
[07:34]  * didrocks asks launchpad politely to publish his ppa
[07:34] <didrocks> "please please please"
[07:48] <Trevinho> morning
[07:50] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[07:50] <seb128> how are you?
[07:52] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[07:55] <Trevinho> seb128: allright, thanks :)
[07:56] <Trevinho> I hope to finis the key grabbing fix today, as yesteday I spent some hours fighting with some memory oddness :/
[07:57] <seb128> ah, nice
[07:57] <seb128> what's the status of the scrollbars work? is that going to land in wily?
[08:00] <Trevinho> seb128: i've to cleanup the branch. they're done. BUt i've put them in hold because of this. I hope to wrap these  up in these days
[08:00] <seb128> k
[08:01] <Laney> yo
[08:02] <willcooke> morning
[08:02] <willcooke> didrocks has some how emailed me his cold
[08:02] <didrocks> \o/
[08:02] <didrocks> that's future-proof technology
[08:03] <didrocks> hey Laney, feeling better willcooke or not?
[08:03] <willcooke> practice safe hangouts
[08:03] <willcooke> didrocks, worse
[08:03] <didrocks> :(
[08:03] <willcooke> didrocks, going to sort out my email and then bed until this afternoon I think
[08:03] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, mind if we skip 1:1?  ^^
[08:04] <didrocks> have a good rest
[08:04] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: fine for me
[08:04] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke
[08:05] <Laney> oh no!
[08:05] <Laney> hi hi
[08:09] <Laney> got to take my bike to the shop at lunchtime
[08:10] <Laney> I left it in the city centre on friday night and when I got back the wheel was all bent...
[08:10] <Laney> :|
[08:10] <willcooke> :(
[08:11] <willcooke> Last time I left a bike in Nottingham town centre I came back and it only had 1 wheel
[08:11] <willcooke> my fault for not locking it properly I guess
[08:11] <Laney> haha
[08:11] <Laney> I replaced the quick release stuff years ago
[08:12] <willcooke> but stamping on a wheel is a real dick move
[08:12] <Laney> once had to ride from jubilee campus to west bridgford with no seat
[08:12] <willcooke> hah!
[08:12] <Laney> that was in the uni's "secure" storage too
[08:12] <willcooke> I guess all the freshers are in town now, getting drunk on watered down Ritzy lager and smashing the place up
[08:15] <Laney> indeed they are back
[08:16] <Laney> was on a bus past Rock City on Sunday night
[08:16] <Laney> dear lord
[08:16] <willcooke> XD
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, there a gvfs bugfix update out for some time, I'm going to have a look if you didn't yet/it's not on your list
[09:09] <Laney> go for it
[09:09] <seb128> thanks
[09:09] <seb128> larsu, are you still working on the eog fixes? I guess we shouldn't try to land the theme fixes for the previous/next buttons until you look at the toolbar issue as well?
[09:10] <larsu> seb128: I actually have a terminal window open for a couple of days now with a finished patch
[09:10]  * larsu should probably push that
[09:10] <larsu> I'll be with you in a min
[09:10] <larsu> (or two)
[09:10] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[09:12] <seb128> bah, why didn't I see an email on wily-changes about Laney's aptdaemon upload
[09:13]  * Laney operates in the dark
[09:13] <seb128> Laney, you didn't include the 3 chunck on purpose?
[09:13] <seb128> the one removing the trailing ","
[09:13] <seb128> 3rd
[09:13] <seb128> also I guess you didn't see my "if you upload please add a depends" line in the middle of the discussion yesterday?
[09:14] <seb128> said differently, we need another upload and I wonder if I should include the "," drop of if you discarded it for a reason
[09:16] <Laney> no I didn't see that, we should get a VCS for this really to avoid problems like that
[09:17] <davmor2> Laney is a vampire quick everyone to the garlic and stake shops
[09:17] <Laney> I think that part of it could be included if you want, just didn't hit that case
[09:17] <seb128> Laney, aptdaemon has a vcs but it's an upstream project and I just don't commit without going through mps
[09:17] <seb128> ok, thanks
[09:18] <Laney> not a packaging one though, or?
[09:18] <seb128> indeed not
[09:18] <seb128> we should include the debian dir in the lp:aptdaemon ;-)
[09:19] <didrocks> seb128: confirming the regression is in python: bug #1500768
[09:19] <ubot5`> bug 1500768 in python3.4 (Ubuntu) "python3.4.3 SRU break requests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500768
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, doookkoooo
[09:19] <didrocks> pinged barry, let's see
[09:20] <seb128> yeah
[09:20] <didrocks> if nothing happens on their side, I'll just ship new requests and httplib in the ppa
[09:20] <didrocks> (and dep on them :/)
[09:21]  * didrocks wonders how it's possible that a SRU ships new features…
[09:21] <Laney> seb128: can you fix my patch header in fix-installation.patch please? :-)
[09:21] <Laney> should be Forwarded: and Bug-Ubuntu: the actual bug link
[09:21] <seb128> Laney, ok
[09:21] <Laney> thanks!
[09:21]  * Laney fail
[09:23] <seb128> Laney, is added a depends to gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 (<< 0.9) ok with you?
[09:24] <seb128> 0.9 was in wily-proposed and seems like quite some users got it from there and are having aptdaemon not working now, ideally that version would have add a Breaks on things it made not work, but it didn't
[09:25] <seb128> that would at least let those user know that there is some version mismatch they need to resolve
[09:25] <seb128> other option is to reupload packagekit with a version 0.9.is.0.8
[09:26] <seb128> but since the version didn't hit wily proper I don't think that's needed
[09:26] <Laney> that would be terrible since >> 0.9 dependencies would satisfy it
[09:26] <seb128> k
[09:26] <Laney> << is probably ok, I'm not sure what apt would do in that situation though
[09:26] <seb128> so (<< 0.9) in aptdaemon it is
[09:26] <seb128> well, it might remove aptdaemon
[09:27] <Laney> people should stop using proposed :(
[09:27] <seb128> but at least it shows them that there is an issue to resolve
[09:27] <seb128> yeah, that would be nice
[09:27] <seb128> in practice it's in the top 10 wily e.u.c issues
[09:27] <seb128> so quite some users seems to have it enabled
[09:27] <Laney> yeah well
[09:27] <Laney> I made my proposal to make it NotAutomatic but nobody replied :(
[09:29] <seb128> :-(
[09:39] <larsu> seb128: [sorry was doing laundry] testing it right now with 3.16 and will upload in a bit
[09:39] <seb128> larsu, danke
[09:39] <larsu> somehow I forgot to push this
[09:39] <larsu> it's 100% done :/
[09:39] <larsu> the problem other people have with browser tabs, I have with terminals
[09:44] <larsu> dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ../eog_3.16.3.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}
[09:45] <Laney> put the tarball there
[09:46] <Laney> bzr bd usually gets it
[09:47] <larsu> ya I'm wondering why it didn't get it automatically?
[09:48] <Laney> dunno, you only pasted the end result and not the previous attempts to find it :P
[09:49] <larsu> Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12610228/
[09:49] <Laney> debuild vs bzr bd ?
[09:49] <larsu> srsly?
[09:49] <Laney> probably...
[09:50]  * larsu tries
[09:54] <larsu> Laney: works indeed. thanks
[09:54] <Laney> kein problem
[09:54] <Laney> do germans say kp instead of np on the internets?
[09:55] <larsu> yes
[09:55] <larsu> sometimes
[09:57] <Laney> I always liked n8 too
[09:57] <larsu> 8ung, too
[09:57] <Laney> oh man
[09:57] <larsu> only young people say this, though
[09:57] <larsu> haven't seen it in ages
[10:00] <larsu> hm, seb128's patch doesn't like my patch on top of it
[10:14] <larsu> ah, that patch doesn't really do what it should anymore
[10:31] <larsu> dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[10:32] <Laney> $ update-maintainer
[10:32] <larsu> magic
[10:32] <larsu> thanks :)
[10:38] <larsu> Laney, seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/eog/menubar/+merge/272724
[10:40] <Laney> thx, will look
[10:40]  * larsu ← lunch
[10:42] <Laney> what's the upstream bug link?
[10:42] <larsu> there is none
[10:43] <larsu> other than the old bug about the title bar
[10:43] <larsu> we'll need a slightly different approach going forward
[10:43] <larsu> planning to talk to desrt about that in London
[10:44] <Laney> can you stop it getting lost somehow?
[10:44] <larsu> getting lost?
[10:44] <larsu> oh, the patch?
[10:45] <larsu> it's in bzr, no?
[10:45] <Laney> the discussion, fixing and upstreaming of this patchset :)
[10:48] <larsu> Laney: added it to the sprint blueprint
[10:48] <Laney> thx
[10:48] <willcooke> larsu, thank you!
[10:48] <larsu> and now actually going to lunch
[10:48] <Laney> I just worry about "we need to talk about that" turning into oh shit we forgot, sorry, let's just fix this patch up again
[10:48] <Laney> or otherwise not happening and us carrying the patch
[10:48] <Laney> either way
[10:49] <Laney> happy lunch
[11:25] <Laney> larsu: I changed the label for opening help to Contents
[11:25] <Laney> and does the "accel" there do anything other than control what is shown in the menubar?
[11:26] <ogra_> ugh
[11:26] <ogra_> http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201509/2015092901-ubuntu-broke-java-because-of-unity.html
[11:26] <Laney> because it seems to be (and should be?) F1 not ctrl-f1
[11:27] <didrocks> ogra_: upstream is already pinged about it
[11:27] <didrocks> (today)
[11:27] <ogra_> ah
[11:28] <didrocks> it's weird they mention android studio, it's working well here
[11:29] <ogra_> well, he doesnt even mention on which release
[11:29] <didrocks> yeah
[11:30] <didrocks> I wonder if this happens with oracle jdk now
[11:30] <ogra_> if its wily ... shrug ... if its trusty ... omg ...
[11:30] <didrocks> (with a $random_upgrade)
[11:32] <ogra_> not even in the repo for trusty
[11:33] <didrocks> ogra_: confirmed that you don't trigger it?
[11:33] <ogra_> i dont have any java apps :P
[11:33] <ogra_> but i can confirm that apt doesnt find it in trusty ... but finds it in vivid ...
[11:33] <didrocks> ogra_: mind trying one? :) (intellij)
[11:33] <didrocks> ogra_: ah, it's in trusty if you use ubuntu make
[11:33] <didrocks> (with the ppa)
[11:33] <ogra_> ouch
[11:34] <didrocks> as you have a trusty machine, that would be great if you can give it a try
[11:34] <ogra_> i'm not close to that machine atm (ssh'ed in)
[11:34] <ogra_> i will if i'm back in the office
[11:35] <didrocks> thanks
[11:37] <ogra_> didrocks, btw bug 1441487
[11:37] <ubot5`> bug 1441487 in jayatana (Ubuntu) "Running any Java program produces messages in the terminal, while rendering many Java applications broken" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441487
[11:37] <ogra_> (in case you havent seen that yet)
[11:37] <ogra_> (open since april ... ugh)
[11:38] <didrocks> ogra_: well… look at the last comment
[11:44] <Laney> seb128: do you know if anything runs msgmerge on translations during a normal pkg build?
[11:44] <Laney> for this eog patch there are some strings which are brought back
[11:44] <Laney> they are commented out in the po files but if you intltool-update and msgmerge then they come back
[11:44] <Laney> but if I do a normal build the strings aren't translated
[11:44] <seb128> Laney, no, but it shouldn't matter
[11:44] <seb128> that's fine
[11:44] <seb128> they are in launchpad
[11:44] <seb128> it's going to autoresurect those
[11:44] <Laney> even the old ones?
[11:44] <seb128> yes
[11:44] <seb128> series are shared
[11:45] <Laney> no manual work?
[11:45] <seb128> no
[11:45] <Laney> ok
[11:45] <seb128> it's magic
[11:45] <Laney> there are no new strings if I fix Manual → Contents
[11:45] <Laney> so don't need to ask translators
[11:45] <seb128> no you don't
[11:45] <seb128> :-)
[11:46] <Laney> what would upstream do?
[11:46] <Laney> msgmerge for all languages?
[11:46] <Laney> maybe that's part of making a release or something
[11:46] <seb128> some upstreams would try that
[11:46] <seb128> some others would let translators do it
[11:46] <seb128> well they would probably not change a string in a stable serie
[11:47] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/eog/+pots/eog/fr/259/+translate
[11:47] <seb128> so yeah, that string is in vivid/translated
[11:47] <seb128> it's going to just work
[11:47] <Laney> looks like intltool does this
[11:47] <Laney> if you make update-po
[11:47] <seb128> that sounds about right
[11:48] <Laney> nice
[11:49] <qengho> Good morning.
[11:51] <Laney> seb128: also did you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/eog-overlay-buttons/+merge/269482 ?
[11:51] <Laney> hey qengho
[11:51] <seb128> Laney, no I didn't, can do now though
[11:51] <seb128> qengho, hey
[11:51] <Laney> thx
[11:51] <Laney> there is also https://code.launchpad.net/~tiheum/ubuntu-themes/vpn-indicator/+merge/272371 which is approved, dunno if you want to upload that too
[11:52] <seb128> that's probably a good idea
[11:52] <seb128> is there a branch for the toolbar issue?
[11:52] <seb128> or is that on the eog side?
[11:53] <seb128> also that eog mp could have a lp: # in the changelog
[11:53] <seb128> larsu, ^
[11:53] <Laney> I added one
[11:53] <Laney> will be there when uploaded
[11:53] <seb128> great ;-)
[11:54] <Laney> which toolbar issue?
[11:54] <Laney> the big icons?
[11:54] <seb128> big icons and no bg
[11:54] <seb128> or was the no bg wanted?
[11:55] <Laney> ah yes, that's not fixed yet
[11:55] <seb128> hum
[11:55] <seb128> pete-woods has an ubuntu-themes dual landing in a silo for the vpn thing
[12:26] <Laney> needs the uife anyway
[12:26] <Laney> just asked for it
[12:29] <Laney> ok I'm off out for lunch, might be a bit longer today
[12:29] <Laney> walking for miles and miles and miles to ye olde bike shoppe
[12:30] <didrocks> good luck Laney!
[12:31] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[12:34] <seb128> Laney, unsure those eog changes need an UIFe, they are a bugfix, not an UI change
[12:34] <seb128> UIF doesn't restrict fixes to thing that are obviously buggy
[12:34] <seb128> just changes for the sake of having a different result
[13:18] <seb128> dobey, nessita, hey, did you see errors like http://paste.ubuntu.com/12519695/ before? who would be the right person to look at that? (ubuntusso error in s-c helper)
[13:22] <nessita> seb128, checking!
[13:22] <nessita> and hi :-)
[13:23] <dobey> seb128: hi. i've not seen that before, no. seems like maybe the token is invalid or there's a server side issue perhaps
[13:24] <nessita> seb128, right, token seems invalid. Have any more data for this user? I can try to see his account details and se if there is something odd
[13:24] <seb128> nessita, it's on my laptop
[13:24] <seb128> I guess the token is invalid
[13:24] <seb128> but should something deal with it by requesting a new one?
[13:27] <dobey> maybe. i'm not exactly sure what code path got you to that point. generally, a new token should only be requested in the event of unexpected failures like that, as a result of direct user action, so it's something the apps need to handle, rather than the account provider
[13:29] <seb128> dobey, "/usr/share/software-center/piston_generic_helper.py --datadir /usr/share/software-center/ --needs-auth --no-relogin SoftwareCenterAgentAPI subscriptions_for_me" triggers the error
[13:30] <seb128> which s-c seems to try to call in backend
[13:30] <nessita> seb128, did you happen to invalidate u1 tokens in the keyring?
[13:31] <seb128> nessita, not that I can remember
[13:32] <nessita> seb128, let me check your account
[13:33] <dobey> seb128: "--no-relogin"
[13:33] <seb128> nessita, it works from other machines
[13:33] <dobey> other machines will have differen tokens
[13:33] <nessita> seb128, right, but I would hope your other machines have a different token
[13:33] <dobey> unless you named your machines all the same hostname
[13:33] <seb128> nessita, I guess so
[13:35] <seb128> dobey, softwarecenter/backend/spawn_helper.py:            cmd.append("--no-relogin")
[13:37] <seb128> seems to use --no-relogin by default
[13:37] <seb128> is that wrong?
[13:37] <Trevinho> seb128: do you have handy the bug # for the shortcuts issue?
[13:38] <seb128> Trevinho, no, but maybe didrocks has
[13:38] <Trevinho> ah, got it..
[13:38] <Trevinho> :P
[13:39] <Trevinho> it's 1459571 fyi
[13:39] <nessita> seb128, hey, I see only one V1 token for you (V1 is the token that ubuntu-sso-client creates). Any chance you have changed your password recently?
[13:39] <seb128> nessita, I probably did since it started requesting stronger passwords
[13:40] <nessita> seb128, around beginning of July?
[13:40] <seb128> yes
[13:40] <nessita> July 8th is your older token
[13:40] <seb128> that's probably when I changed my password
[13:40] <nessita> seb128, so, on password reset all tokens are invaldited
[13:40] <larsu> Laney: sure, that can go in as well
[13:40] <larsu> Laney: thanks for adding the missing stuff
[13:40] <nessita> seb128, and right now you have none for the V1 format, so no SC would work for you
[13:40]  * larsu takes long lunch breaks these days because SUN
[13:41] <seb128> larsu, it's nice isn't it :-)
[13:41] <dobey> seb128: i don't know if it's wrong or not. is that helper being called as a result of a direct user action?
[13:42] <seb128> nessita, shouldn't s-c warn about that/prompt through some UI?
[13:42] <larsu> seb128: perfect! Is there anything left for me to do on that MR or is Laney on it?
[13:43] <dobey> seb128: it depends on when it failed. if it was the result of a direct user action, yes; if it just happens as a matter of start-up, possibly not
[13:43] <dobey> seb128: likewise, the push client daemon on the phone doesn't pop up login windows randomly, because it's a background process with no UI
[13:43] <seb128> larsu, I think Laney is on it
[13:43] <larsu> coolio
[13:44]  * larsu makes tea, then
[13:45] <nessita> seb128, I'm not sure if SC has support to do that...
[13:45] <nessita> the U1 control panel did
[13:46] <seb128> dobey, nessita, ok, so where the error is visible in the UI is if I try to write a software review it gives me an error dialog "authentificaiton failed"
[13:46] <seb128> with no way/suggestion on how to fix it
[13:46] <dobey> seb128: and does it let you log in again there?
[13:47] <dobey> ok, that's an issue in software-center then
[13:47] <nessita> seb128, you can remove the token from the keyring
[13:47] <nessita> and the SC will ask you to login again
[13:47] <seb128> nessita, right, I know how to"fix" it
[13:47] <seb128> but normal users wouldn't
[13:48] <seb128> so I wanted to keep it in the buggy state and see if we can fix it for our users as well
[13:48] <nessita> seb128, yeah, I get your point. Thing is if SC does not have the support for that (asking the local, invalid token to be removed) no one will remove it for you. Long time ago U1 control panel will do so
[13:49] <nessita> and SC would implicitely benefit from that
[13:49] <nessita> and U1 would try to use the token every day
[13:49] <seb128> ok, so basically "known issue/s-c limitation" and not an easy fix but rather it would need feature dev in s-c?
[13:49] <nessita> seb128, correct
[13:50] <dobey> i have no idea how much work it would need in s-c to fix
[13:50] <seb128> ok, fine then, it is it what it is
[13:50] <nessita> seb128, sorry I can not give your a better answer
[13:50] <seb128> nessita, no worry, thanks for replying ;-)
[13:50] <seb128> dobey, thanks as well
[13:50] <dobey> it could be a few lines, or a larger feature
[13:50] <seb128> dobey, I guess it's not something you could check on in a few minutes?
[13:52] <dobey> no
[13:53] <seb128> fine, topic closed then
[13:53] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[13:53] <dobey> no problem :)
[13:54] <seb128> dobey, oh, speaking of which, you said you would merge https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/gtk-has-icon and https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/gtkgrid-deprecated-nrow
[13:54] <seb128> is that still on your list? ;-)
[13:54] <seb128> those are in the distro so no problem
[13:54] <seb128> but would be nice to have them in the vcs has well
[13:54] <seb128> has->as
[13:54] <dobey> seb128: yeah, i just haven't been able to get around to setting up the ci train stuff to do that yet :-/
[13:54] <seb128> ok, no worry
[14:04] <desrt> good morning #desktop
[14:05] <willcooke> hey desrt
[14:05] <desrt> kat and dave say hi
[14:06] <seb128> hey desrt
[14:06] <desrt> word up
[14:06] <larsu> morning desrt
[14:06] <desrt> i love the new system :D
[14:06] <larsu> say hi to kat and dave
[14:06] <larsu> how's openhelp?
[14:06] <desrt> the usual goodness
[14:07] <desrt> had a lot of talk this year about how to properly deal with noobs
[14:07] <desrt> had a cool talk about "how to successfully turn 'total noob' into 'noob'"
[14:07] <seb128> desrt, do you any time for glib hacking this week?
[14:07] <desrt> seb128: heh...
[14:07] <desrt> file monitors, huh?
[14:08] <desrt> starting to be increasingly clear that we will need some stable release cleanups :/
[14:08] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749314
[14:08] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 749314 in gio "Cannot restore a just-trashed file" [Normal,New]
[14:08] <desrt> ya
[14:08] <desrt> i figured out this bug already
[14:08] <seb128> which I'm unsure is a file monitor issue
[14:08] <desrt> it _is_ a file monitor issue
[14:08] <seb128> k
[14:08] <desrt> _and_ it is a bug in glib
[14:08] <seb128> is it going to be fixed before wily? ;-)
[14:08] <desrt> but the bug is not in the file monitoring code -- it's in the trashing code :)
[14:08] <desrt> i think i know how to fix it already
[14:09] <desrt> see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755335
[14:09] <seb128> great
[14:09] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 755335 in Trash "Restoring from Trash doesn't work" [Normal,New]
[14:09] <seb128> maybe you can comment on the bug? ;-)
[14:09] <desrt> i commented in the dup bug :)
[14:09] <seb128> yeah, I didn't know you ignored Laney and commented on a duplicate ;-)
[14:10] <seb128> anyway seems you are on it, thanks
[14:11] <desrt> the docs people found the bug yesterday :)
[14:12] <desrt> they're running through the new release and making sure everything "works as documented"
[14:12] <desrt> and either filing bugs or fixing docs
[14:12] <larsu> wow that's pretty awesome of them
[14:12] <desrt> yup
[14:17] <Laney> hey
[14:18] <desrt> hey laney
[14:18] <desrt> already wrote the patch for your bug.  testing it now :)
[14:18] <Laney> you da man
[14:18] <desrt> sorry for the delay :)
[14:18] <Laney> or wo-man?
[14:18] <Laney> or person
[14:18] <Laney> you da person
[14:18] <Laney> that's better
[14:18] <desrt> :)
[14:19] <Laney> seb128: UIF doesn't have the concept of bug fix changes, so yes it is needed
[14:20] <seb128> Laney, I though it was discussed years ago and that the release/documentation/etc teams agreed that bugfixes don't need exception
[14:20] <seb128> but I didn't find a write recording mentioning that :-/
[14:20] <seb128> I should raise the topic agian
[14:20] <seb128> is that a TB thing?
[14:21] <Laney> it's so their documentation is up to date
[14:21] <Laney> if they screenshot a bug and we fix it they want to fix it too
[14:21] <desrt> there ought to be a package that depends on auto*, libtool, pkg-config, etc.
[14:21] <desrt> maybe build-essential ...
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, with the same logic you could ban bugfixing, like if a toolbar button doesn't work and it starts working the documented behaviour changes
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, oh, I see what you mean
[14:22] <seb128> right, so in which case it's not a UIF
[14:22] <seb128> it's "you need to notify documentation team on UI changes"
[14:22] <seb128> which makes sense
[14:22] <seb128> like you don't need permission or to ask
[14:22] <seb128> just to let them know
[14:23] <Laney> technically the release team has to agree
[14:23] <Laney> and you just have to 'notify' the others
[14:23] <seb128> which is what I would like to dispute
[14:23] <seb128> would that be a TB topic?
[14:24] <seb128> or some other team/board?
[14:24] <Laney> start with the release team themselves
[14:24] <seb128> it doesn't make sense that the rt has to be involved in bugfixes
[14:24] <seb128> k
[14:24] <seb128> thanks
[14:35] <Laney> there's a weird glowing blue button in front of me
[14:35] <Laney> every desk seems to have one
[14:36] <Laney> shall I press it....
[14:42] <flocculant> afternoon all - noticed a bug with creation of new files during wily b2 testing - I'm seeing it on Xubuntu, but confirmed it in Ubuntu as well > bug 1497170
[14:42] <ubot5`> bug 1497170 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "New file creation - not opening with file editor" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1497170
[14:43] <flocculant> not actually been able to see anything upstream in either xdg nor gvfs
[14:45] <seb128> flocculant, hey, I don't understand that bug description
[14:46] <seb128> how do you create a new file/with what app and how do you try to open it?
[14:47] <seb128> if I do "touch bug" and click on that "bug" file in nautilus it opens with gedit
[14:47] <flocculant> mmm - ok thanks seb128 - this is with right click create new file
[14:48] <seb128> right click where?
[14:48] <seb128> I guess xubuntu doesn't use nautilus
[14:48] <desrt> Laney, seb128: patch on the bug if you want to take a look
[14:48] <flocculant> desktop
[14:48] <seb128> if I right click->new document in nautilus
[14:48] <seb128> and then double click
[14:48] <desrt> it _seems_ to do the right thing for me, but maybe there is some other problem that i don't understand
[14:48] <seb128> it opens with gedit
[14:48] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[14:48] <seb128> Laney, can you look at this one?
[14:48] <desrt> amigadave is also testing
[14:48] <flocculant> seb128: I definitely wasn't seeing that in Ubuntu
[14:49] <desrt> ...if he can stop playing ingress long enough
[14:49] <flocculant> seb128: also - if I thought it was just Xubuntu I'd have kept it 'in-house' :)
[14:49] <Laney> ok
[14:50] <Laney> and that 'bug' does happen for me
[14:50] <seb128> flocculant, well, I'm just saying that the bug lacks info on what you are using as softwares for your actions
[14:50] <seb128> but yeah, get it in a guest session
[14:50] <seb128> so I guess my session has an handler user registered for some type
[14:51] <flocculant> seb128: yea - not complaining at what you're saying :)
[14:51] <flocculant> and as far as guest - I see this on live with iso booting in vbox
[14:56] <flocculant> seb128 Laney - so if I right click on desktop in a livesession - http://paste.ubuntu.com/12612919/
[14:59] <seb128> flocculant, Laney, desrt, that is another glib bug/behaviour change
[15:00] <flocculant> ack
[15:01] <desrt> issue is that we don't call empty files like text/plain anymore?
[15:01] <Laney> tick
[15:01] <seb128> yes
[15:01] <seb128> $ LD_PRELOAD=./libgio-2.0.so.0.4400.1 gvfs-info bug | grep :content
[15:01] <seb128>   standard::content-type: text/plain
[15:01] <desrt> yup.  i can see that here too.
[15:01] <seb128> $ gvfs-info bug | grep :content
[15:01] <seb128>   standard::content-type: application/octet-stream
[15:01]  * desrt has no idea how the content sniffing code works
[15:01]  * desrt can take a look anyway
[15:01] <seb128> thanks
[15:01] <desrt> could be someone updated xdgmime or something
[15:02] <flocculant> thanks all :)
[15:02] <seb128> desrt, or you on https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=b6fc1df022a0326e7c36122b1416061bf796c98f ?
[15:02] <seb128> "GLocalFileInfo: don't content-sniff zero-length files"
[15:02] <Laney> :q
[15:02] <larsu> :wq
[15:02] <desrt> oh
[15:02] <seb128> :wq!
[15:02] <desrt> that looks likely :)
[15:02] <Laney> ZZ
[15:02] <seb128> ^W
[15:03] <Laney> I should use that one more
[15:03] <Laney> it's cooler than :wq
[15:03] <larsu> seb128: watch out! Your changes!
[15:03] <seb128> larsu, I didn't exit 1 from bzr bd-do yet ;-)
[15:03] <larsu> hahahahah
[15:03]  * larsu cries
[15:04] <Trevinho> larsu: here's what happens
[15:04] <Trevinho> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12612982/
[15:04] <Laney> I always type exit 0
[15:04] <seb128> desrt, unsure what's the right change, return plain/Text is the size is 0?
[15:04] <flocculant> not being a coder - but an electrician I would wonder if bug 1487546 is a symptom of that, then I would shut my eyes :)
[15:04] <ubot5`> bug 1487546 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "Newly copied files report zero (0) file size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1487546
[15:05] <desrt> seb128: ya.  i think so.
[15:05] <Trevinho> larsu: as you see is requested to be grabbed twice XF86PowerOff (always from uss)
[15:05] <desrt> glad to see this one is my fault too :)
[15:05] <desrt> can someone file a bug about this?
[15:05] <seb128> flocculant, no, that's more likely fixed with the gvfs upload in the unapproved queue
[15:05] <larsu> Trevinho: is this on startup? that's really weird - it calls GrabAccelerators() with all the ones it wants for me
[15:05] <seb128> desrt, sure
[15:06] <Trevinho> larsu: that's on startup yes
[15:06]  * larsu is thoroughly onfused
[15:06] <larsu> *c
[15:06] <seb128> flocculant, it could be https://git.gnome.org/browse/gvfs/commit/?h=gnome-3-16&id=725eaa2e33a842f812caf59af8a8766461bf9512
[15:06] <Trevinho> larsu: starting your compiz with UNITY_LOG_SEVERITY="<root>error;unity.key.gnome.grabber=debug" should give you more infos
[15:07] <larsu> Trevinho: it never calls GrabAccelerators() for you?
[15:07] <Trevinho> larsu: it does I guess, let me double-check
[15:07] <larsu> maybe you restarted compiz or something? I get a single call when I start up u-s-d
[15:08]  * larsu kills compiz
[15:08] <Trevinho> larsu: yes, that's when restarting... but it shouldn't matter
[15:08] <larsu> yeah it does
[15:08] <larsu> it's a different code path
[15:08] <larsu> for whatever reason
[15:08] <larsu> man, this interface is ... shit
[15:09] <desrt>   standard::content-type: text/plain
[15:09] <desrt>   standard::fast-content-type: application/octet-stream
[15:09] <desrt> neat
[15:09] <larsu> what's a fast content type?
[15:09] <larsu> "guess by extension"?
[15:10] <desrt> something like that
[15:11] <seb128> desrt, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755795
[15:11] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 755795 in gio "2.46 considers empty files as octet-stream rather than text (leads to gedit not opening those)" [Normal,New]
[15:11] <desrt> thx
[15:11] <seb128> yw
[15:11] <seb128> larsu, one is on the name, one is by opening/reading content
[15:12] <seb128> oh, #gtk+ notifies of new reported bugs now?
[15:12] <larsu> yep
[15:12] <desrt> this is pretty annoying
[15:12] <desrt> g_content_type_guess() is a bad function
[15:13] <desrt> it takes a filename and some data to test
[15:13] <Laney> larsu: are you going to follow up with the toolbar fixes for eog?
[15:13] <desrt> but you can give it (NULL, 0) to mean "i am not giving you the data to test"
[15:13] <desrt> rather than "i am giving you the zero-byte content of the file"
[15:13] <Laney> like in a second upload
[15:14] <larsu> Laney: oh, right! thanks for reminding me.... this was about moving the fullscreen button into the toolbar itself, right?
[15:14] <larsu> because of the background?
[15:14] <larsu> or are you also missing the theme changes?
[15:15]  * larsu is not very organized this week
[15:15] <larsu> Trevinho: it calls GrabAccelerator() (on the bus) only once for me
[15:15] <larsu> are you sure this isn't something internal?
[15:15] <Laney> transparent background, huge icons
[15:16] <larsu> right, let me figure out this issue with Trevinho and then i'll go hunting for that patch
[15:16] <Laney> (on scale factor >= 2)
[15:16] <Laney> it exists already?
[15:16] <larsu> I think so?!
[15:16] <Trevinho> larsu: I get  GrabAccelerators (.. including XF86PowerOff)  call and then a single GrabAccelerator "XF86PowerOff" call
[15:17] <larsu> Trevinho: but an ungrab before, no?
[15:17] <Laney> basically I'm asking if I should wait or do it in a second round :)
[15:17] <Trevinho> larsu: nope
[15:17] <larsu> Laney: wait
[15:17] <larsu> Trevinho: how is this supposed to work even? You get *one* id from GrabAccelerators() that ungrabs all of them?
[15:19] <Trevinho> larsu: oh, wait no that's something else
[15:20] <larsu> Trevinho: ah no it returns an array of ids
[15:20] <larsu> oh my this interface is getting worse the longer I look at it
[15:21] <larsu> desrt: I think I need the talk :P
[15:21] <Trevinho> larsu: yeah, the array is even not checked for being of the same size
[15:22] <Trevinho> so if I return an array with different sizes, then everything crashes
[15:22] <Trevinho> (uss, I mean)
[15:22] <larsu> ugh, ok
[15:22] <larsu> no matter what I restart, I only see single calls of GrabAccelerator()
[15:22] <larsu> on the bus,that is
[15:22] <desrt> seb128: patch is up if you want to test it: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755795
[15:22] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 755795 in gio "2.46 considers empty files as octet-stream rather than text (leads to gedit not opening those)" [Normal,New]
[15:23] <Trevinho> However, it seems that via dbus I get that keygrab just once... So something else is grabbing that before, but I don't see who
[15:23] <larsu> Trevinho: internally?
[15:23] <Trevinho> might be, but...
[15:23] <larsu> Trevinho: that's what stack traces are for :P
[15:26] <Laney> oh man I wish I left my computer on at home
[15:26] <Trevinho> eh, yes :)
[15:28] <Trevinho> larsu: ah, no that's not internally (it looked weird in fact)...
[15:28] <Trevinho> larsu: that's the call I get: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12613201/
[15:28] <Trevinho> larsu: so, some are repeated
[15:29] <larsu> Trevinho: ah indeed! I have this as well :)
[15:29] <larsu> Trevinho: (should have checked that I guess)
[15:30] <larsu> Trevinho: in any case, this *should* work
[15:30] <willcooke> HONK HONK
[15:30] <larsu> I'll have a look into why it does this thoguh
[15:30] <Trevinho> larsu: the've different flags, though... Which we ignore
[15:30] <larsu> Trevinho: what are the flags?
[15:30] <Trevinho> larsu: so, I should just return the same ID and that's it
[15:30] <Trevinho> shellflags
[15:30] <seb128> willcooke, who is there?
[15:30] <larsu> Trevinho: what kind of flags?
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-09-29
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 29 15:30:48 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:30] <Trevinho> larsu: https://developer.gnome.org/shell/stable/shell-shell-action-modes.html
[15:31] <Trevinho> larsu: which might have a sense, but we just ignore.... Let's meet now :)
[15:31] <larsu> Trevinho: ah, thanks
[15:31] <willcooke> Trevinho, larsu  - you guys need to finish this up now?  We can hold for a few mins if you need?
[15:31] <larsu> willcooke: thanks but I think we're good
[15:31] <willcooke> oki
[15:31] <larsu> Trevinho: I'll have a look after the meeting as well
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call:
[15:31] <larsu> this is ... strange
[15:31] <willcooke> andyrock, attente, desrt (conf),  dgadomski, didrocks,
[15:31] <willcooke> fjkong, happyaron, hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128,
[15:31] <willcooke> sweet5hark, themuso (hols), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31]  * Sweet5hark sneaks in.
[15:31] <larsu> hullo
[15:31] <andyrock> hello
[15:32] <dgadomski> hey
[15:32] <Trevinho> hey!
[15:32] <seb128> hey
[15:32] <didrocks> hey
[15:32] <Trevinho> (no hands today? o/ !!!
[15:32] <seb128> \o
[15:32] <hikiko> hello
[15:33] <willcooke> Hi all, so we'll get started in a second.    Are you heading out?
[15:33] <hikiko> sure :) thanks!
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:33] <hikiko> so this week:
[15:33] <hikiko> 1. Closed several bugs
[15:33] <hikiko> 2. Fixed the put plugin - awaiting review (the windows seemed to move to the wrong direction in some cases)
[15:33] <hikiko> 3. Almost fixed the 3d windows (I wrote the shaders sent the clipping planes to the gpu but there are still some issues I have to fix before uploading the branch to lp)
[15:33] <hikiko> 4. Reproduced/Investigated the toggle shading unity bug (#1313446) but no much progress there
[15:34] <hikiko> Plans for next week:
[15:34] <hikiko> 1. submit the 3d windows branch (I hope tomorrow)
[15:34] <hikiko> 2. work on the ezoom (I haven't worked at it for a long time because I was looking at the bugs :/)
[15:34] <hikiko> 3. work on bug #1313446(that's basically a unity bug but it's quite important because it affects all users)
[15:34] <ubot5`> bug 1313446 in unity (Ubuntu) "window disappears on toggle shade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313446
[15:34] <hikiko> eof
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:34] <hikiko> bye everyone!
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <andyrock> hey
[15:34] <andyrock> basically just one point
[15:34] <andyrock> working on fixing the indicator-appmenu leak
[15:35] <andyrock> leaks
[15:35] <andyrock> and bugs scrubbing
[15:35] <andyrock> damn leaks :(
[15:35] <willcooke> :)
[15:35] <andyrock> eof
[15:35] <willcooke> Thanks andyrock - keep plugging away, it'll be a big improvement
[15:36] <seb128> andyrock, not looking at the u-p-s/menu segfault? :-(
[15:36] <andyrock> should I?
[15:36] <andyrock> Trevinho is better for that
[15:36] <andyrock> I can add it to my list
[15:36] <Trevinho> well, since you're there... :P
[15:37] <seb128> Trevinho, is already fighting keybinding and scrollbars didn't change
[15:37] <seb128> but as you guys prefer ;-)
[15:37] <andyrock> k added to the list
[15:37] <andyrock> :D
[15:37] <andyrock> maybe the cause is the same
[15:38] <willcooke> good, thanks guys
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:38] <attente> hi
[15:39] <attente> ported the rest of the gtk widgets to use the new popup menu placement api. currently debugging some margin/padding issues, and still need to implement the positioning in some of the backends, which shouldn't be too hard
[15:39] <attente> spent some time trying to debug u-g-m, bisecting glib. must've been bisecting wrong though... thanks Laney for fixing the issue
[15:39] <attente> uploaded new versions of the java non-latin shortcut u-s-d fixes to a ppa
[15:39] <attente> (eof)
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:40] <Laney> it's a good week for attente when he gets to do a bisection
[15:40] <willcooke> :)
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:41] <dgadomski> hey, unfortunately nothing new in the desktop department from my side. I currently focus on a fix for bug #1337873 which will keep us consistent with Debian.
[15:41] <ubot5`> bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "Precise, Trusty, Utopic - ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873
[15:41] <dgadomski> EOF, thanks
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:42] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:42] <didrocks> - jetbrains start to serve windows binaries on linux url. Fixed it with the new linux binary url and changes the test assets.
[15:42] <didrocks> - new dart website is client-side templating, rendering version pickup and release urls "interesting". Found a way, however, this complicates the medium testing side. Still working on a proper solution
[15:42] <didrocks> - fix some bugs when multiple matches per page were available
[15:42] <didrocks> - fought with some squid proxy errors on our testint site, adding debugs and such through the week. Found that python 3.4.3 trusty SRU is faulty. Pinged Barry about it (also got some report that it's an issue in production as well).
[15:42] <didrocks> Developer story:
[15:42] <didrocks> - worked on snapcraft/develop workflow diagram.
[15:42] <didrocks> - introduced a device manager concepts and wrote specs on the capabilities  and duties
[15:42] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:42] <didrocks> - debug the unity accel key issues with Trevinho and larsu.
[15:42] <didrocks> .
[15:42] <larsu> Misc??? /me feels degraded
[15:42] <willcooke> lol @ jetbrains
[15:42] <didrocks> :p
[15:43] <didrocks> willcooke: ?os=linux -> bring the exe!
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:44] <willcooke> we can come back
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:44] <happyaron> ok
[15:44] <willcooke> Also out I expect
[15:44] <willcooke> oh
[15:44] <willcooke> hi!
[15:44] <happyaron> 1. Fixed SSL security issues of my instances running on Canonistack
[15:44] <happyaron> 2. Updated: a list of ubuntu kylin packages, some not uploaded yet due to freeze
[15:44] <happyaron> 3. Handling libstdc++ transition for IME packages at Debian
[15:45] <happyaron> 4. Going to be on a long national holiday, but will remain responding (with delay)
[15:45] <happyaron> EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks happyaron, have a great Golden Week
[15:45] <happyaron> thanks
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:45] <willcooke> oops, sorry laney
[15:45] <qengho> happyaron: happy mid-autumn!
[15:45] <happyaron> qengho: ty!
[15:46]  * Laney relaxes
[15:46]  * happyaron is sitting next to mom.
[15:46] <larsu> oh wow me already?
[15:46] <larsu> - add traditional menubar to eog; update its titlebar patch; fix fullscreen toolbar
[15:46] <larsu> - make a plan and prepare how we can make menubars with dynamic window-specific menus (e.g. recent files) easier for applications to support
[15:46] <larsu> - help Trevinho and didrocks figure out the u-s-d/unity interaction when grabbing keys
[15:46] <larsu> - look into how all the things that log things are logging things - added onto sprint agenda
[15:46] <larsu> - some random bug work and discussion
[15:46] <larsu> </larsu?
[15:46] <Laney> 你好妈妈
[15:46] <willcooke> hi happyaron's mum!
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:47] <happyaron> 0. wow Laney
[15:47] <Laney> ♥
[15:47] <Laney> • Final smoothing of tests to get glib in
[15:47] <Laney> • Upload glib & glib-networking stable release to unstable, sync
[15:47] <Laney> • Cherry-pick a patch to fix GSequence which broke loads of random stuff like unity-gtk-module, upload to sid & sync
[15:47] <Laney> • Test + upload gstreamer 1.5.91 (1.6 RC)
[15:47] <Laney> • Fix gnome-themes-standard to not pull the "full" icon theme onto the ISO
[15:47] <Laney> • Fix to sessioninstaller to not die when called with packagekit's "Modify2"-style parameters, even though we don't support that API yet (gstreamer calls it like that unconditionally...).
[15:47] <Laney> • Re-review and upload aptdaemon fix to get PK install working
[15:47] <Laney> • Got pinged by Debian libphonenumber maintainer about our diverging package - synced our changes over there (including package naming scheme) - can hopefully sync this next cycle & once it is NEWed
[15:47] <Laney> • Try to help debug some random issues (e.g. evolution-ews), fwd upstream where they make sense
[15:47] <Laney> • eog:
[15:47] <Laney> ∘ Help to review/test of the eog menu fix from larsu (thanks!), might be a second patch for toolbar stuff - will upload when that comes along
[15:47] <Laney> ∘ hide toolbar in fullscreen
[15:47] <Laney> • Review a lot of stuff in the wily-proposed queue now we are frozen
[15:47] <Laney> • DMB meeting with me in the chair, do some admin
[15:47] <Laney> • Getting ready to upload new default wallpapers in a minute
[15:47] <Laney> ≸
[15:48] <willcooke> nice
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:48] <happyaron> willcooke: ty, :)
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:48] <Laney> happyaron: was it right?
[15:48] <qengho> * Getting new Chromium 45.0.2454.101 ready for release.
[15:48] <qengho> ** fixes autopkgtest bogus test-depends failures.
[15:48] <qengho> ** fixes old, newly-discovered xdg-settings bug in setting default browser. ...
[15:48] <qengho> * Reported bug upstream as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92170 . Attached fix.
[15:48] <qengho> * Travel arranged.
[15:48] <happyaron> Laney: almost and can be understand
[15:49] <qengho> EOF
[15:49] <ubot5`> Freedesktop bug 92170 in xdg-utils "xdg-settings assumes desktop files have exactly one Exec line" [Normal,New]
[15:49] <Laney> good enough for me
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:49] <seb128> • helped investigating unity8-dash/trust store/settings issue and wrote a settings bugfix
[15:49] <seb128> • e.u.c triaging and pinged people/provided debug info/worked on some bugfixes
[15:49] <seb128> ∘ software-properties python3 exception in some error handling callback
[15:49] <seb128> ∘ glib/unity/menu segfaults
[15:49] <seb128> ∘ aptdaemon issue due new packagekit that quite some user got from wily-proposed
[15:49] <seb128> ∘ reviewed/landed indicator-bluetooth segfault bugfix from robert_ancell
[15:49] <seb128> ∘ rebuilt wxwidgets for gcc5, fixes amule not starting on abi mismatch error
[15:49] <seb128> • looked at why empty files do not open with gedit in wily, turned out to be a glib issue
[15:49] <seb128> • investigated wily langpack update issue (missing some translations), didn't figure out what was going on though, waiting for the next build to see if that was a one time issue
[15:50] <seb128> • synced new libmtp bugfix version
[15:50] <seb128> • some launchpad patches queue reviews/sponsoring (hunspell, u-c-c, pytz)
[15:50] <seb128> • investigated double lockscreen issue, found it's due to lightdm libaudit changes
[15:50] <seb128> • tested current unity8 desktop versions to check some of the improvements, looks better with every update ;-)

[15:50] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:50]  * willcooke guess "conf"
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - LibreOffice conference and Aarhus Hackfest (topic: C++11 and LibreOffice)
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - following some resulting leads
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - had a look at errors.ubuntu.com, didnt find anything superurgent
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - 5.0.2 FFE (finalized changelog, building now)
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - inbox backlog from conference
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - travel stuff for LibreOffice conference and Desktop sprint, and preparing for Hamburg Hackfest
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Allow two configurable modes for cups-browsed's load balancing, one queueing up the jobs on the client (like a CUPS class does) and one queueing up the jobs on the servers.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - ghostscript: First look into 9.18, does not need libtrio any more (closed MIR).
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Phone for printing stack testing stuck in Brazilian customs, so this will start only after the Sprint where I will get another device.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Fix FTB in compiz wily
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Kylin meeting: they're working in the lockscreen
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Apply user contribution patch for fixing icon rendering in Wily
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Refactoring of unity's GnomeKeyGrabber, to fix randomly not-working keybindings
[15:52] <Trevinho> 
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:52] <willcooke> - Diagnosing / fixing release serious bugs
[15:52] <willcooke> - Updated XMir in overlay PPA
[15:52] <willcooke> - Investigate GNOME Software Centre suitability for Ubuntu
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic Any Other Business
[15:53] <willcooke> So #1.  *I* think that the "hi/bye" concept is working really nicely.  I hope you agree.  We can discuss more at the sprint
[15:53]  * larsu +1s
[15:54] <willcooke> Actually, that's all I got atm.  There will be information coming from the sprint in Budapest soon which I will share as soon as I have collated it
[15:54] <larsu> I'm feeling a bit sick (hope it's nothing serious), but I might take it slow and be online a bit later tomorrow
[15:54]  * larsu judges in the morning
[15:54] <willcooke> diiiiiddddrooooccckkkksss
[15:54] <willcooke> He gave it to me as well
[15:55] <larsu> not cool
[15:55] <willcooke> take it easy larsu
[15:55] <larsu> thanks
[15:55] <Laney> take it HARD
[15:55] <Laney> go for a long run
[15:55] <willcooke> I'm going to call it EOD pretty soon as well
[15:55]  * willcooke -> bed
[15:55] <seb128> larsu, get better!
[15:55] <larsu> Laney: I actually might :)
[15:55] <Laney> sweat it out
[15:55] <larsu> but not before finishing that patch
[15:55] <larsu> seb128: thanks!
[15:55] <willcooke> :)
[15:55] <willcooke> any more for any more?
[15:55]  * Laney tries to remember how to jhbuild
[15:56] <larsu> Laney: jhbuild build gtk+
[15:56]  * larsu feels very helpful
[15:56] <Laney> more how to jhbuildrc
[15:56] <seb128> willcooke, oh, not really meeting material but shotwell has no upstrema anymore it seems
[15:56] <jcastro> am I too late?
[15:56] <seb128> they are missing at least
[15:56] <jcastro> meeting over?
[15:56] <seb128> jcastro, not yet
[15:56]  * happyaron sees gdm breaks IME other than ibus, again and again
[15:56] <larsu> Laney: shall I paste mine?
[15:56] <willcooke> seb128, oh, that's not good.  Something for the sprint
[15:56] <larsu> seb128: missing?
[15:56] <seb128> willcooke, and shotwell has an facebook appkey which needs updating
[15:56] <willcooke> jcastro, shoot
[15:57] <willcooke> seb128, ohhhh.  That's going to be fun
[15:57] <Laney> larsu: yeah if it overrides the directories
[15:57] <jcastro> hey so if someone new shows up and wants to help, those two bugs for the steam controller I posted on -desktop are still open
[15:57] <seb128> willcooke, I wonder if we should generate/replace it by a key for ubuntu
[15:57] <larsu> Laney: it does
[15:57] <jcastro> but got a bunch of new data on the one so it should be straightforward
[15:57] <seb128> larsu, missing, like they facebook permissions need updating and nobody replied to mailing list or bugzilla since june
[15:57] <larsu> Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12613503/
[15:57] <seb128> they->their
[15:57] <larsu> ah, got it
[15:58] <Laney> did anyone try to get hold of jim directly?
[15:58] <jcastro> mostly I just wanted the bugs to make the notes of the meeting so they can be reported on. :D
[15:58] <Laney> or, does anyone have a line to him that they can use? :)
[15:59] <willcooke> jcastro, looks like mdeslaur and pitti might be on the case there
[16:00] <seb128> Laney, unsure what's the best way to contact him, I assumed he would be subscribed to their list and that if he's not that's probably for a good reason/he doesn't want to maintain shotwell anymore or something
[16:00] <jcastro> yeah, I was just spreading the word just in case, I know release work is also ongoing
[16:00] <pitti> willcooke: wut?
[16:00] <willcooke> pitti, steam controllers
[16:00] <pitti> ah
[16:01] <Laney> seb128: maybe not, just sometimes personal contact works
[16:01] <Laney> they might be willing to hand the keys over to the gnome foudnation or whatever if that is possible
[16:01] <larsu> the elementary guys might know him?
[16:01] <larsu> some of them live in ca as well
[16:01] <seb128> right, I just felt like I was not the best placed to take over that/ask about it
[16:01] <Laney> I wasn't pinning it on you
[16:02] <seb128> k, just saying
[16:02] <seb128> if somebody feels like private emailing him or pinging other people who might please do
[16:02] <seb128> otherwise we should maybe look at generating a new key for the package
[16:02] <Laney> might make sense for gnome to own this in any event
[16:02] <Laney> if they are up for that
[16:02] <seb128> yeah, they have gnome-photos, unsure they care about shotwell
[16:03] <Laney> "might"
[16:03] <seb128> right
[16:03] <seb128> I've just tried to get that moving a few times upstream but nobody picked it up
[16:03] <seb128> so if anybody has better person they can ping, please do ;-)
[16:04] <seb128> willcooke, that was all on that topic I think
[16:04] <willcooke> oki, added to the BP
[16:04] <seb128> and yeah, steam controllers is a systemd thing, pitti seemed to be on it
[16:04] <willcooke> thanks all, let's wrap
[16:04] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 16:04:53 2015 UTC.
[16:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-09-29-15.30.moin.txt
[16:04] <seb128> thanks
[16:05] <happyaron> thanks
[16:05] <Laney> desrt: you got a line to yorba jim by any chance?
[16:06] <didrocks> thx!
[16:09] <Laney> checking whether the C compiler works... no
[16:09] <Laney> you what now
[16:11]  * Laney fail
[16:11] <andyrock> brb
[16:17] <didrocks> have a good evening guys!
[16:19] <larsu> you too!
[16:32] <desrt> Laney<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:33] <desrt> seb128, flocculant: okay.  this is fixed in glib master and backported to 2.46 as well
[16:33] <desrt> (the text/plain thing)
[16:35] <seb128> desrt, thanks!
[16:36] <flocculant> desrt: thanks
[16:36] <seb128> the change/diff looks good to me ;-)
[16:37] <seb128> oh,and seems you are off the hook for the ews auth issue with the new glib, they fixed it in eds
[16:38] <larsu> Laney: I think I gave wrong attribution to seb128 in that hide-headerbar-in-fullscreen patch
[16:38] <seb128> larsu, you likely did, I don't remember writing that one ;-)
[16:39] <Laney> oh well
[16:40] <larsu> shall I fix?
[16:40] <larsu> about to upload a branch anyway
[16:41] <Laney> ok, if you like
[16:44] <larsu> brr bzr bd doesn't add my new patch :/
[16:44] <Laney> did you bzr add it?
[16:44] <larsu> yes, it's committed
[16:44] <seb128> is it in the series?
[16:44] <larsu> yes
[16:44] <seb128> non sense :p
[16:44] <larsu> and no error while building
[16:44] <larsu> ya......
[16:44] <larsu> confused
[16:44] <seb128> bzr bd-do
[16:44] <seb128> quilt applied
[16:45]  * larsu might be too sick for this shit
[16:45] <Laney> bzr status
[16:45] <larsu> ya, redoing all of this made it wotrk
[16:45] <larsu> weird. sorrt
[16:45] <larsu> *sorry
[16:46] <larsu> Laney: pushed to lp:~larsu/eog/fullscreen-button
[16:46] <larsu> I'll MR it, but I'll fix ubuntu-themes tomorrow (the icon issues)
[16:46] <larsu> I need to lie down or something
[16:46] <larsu> filed upstream at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755799
[16:46] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 755799 in general ""Exit fullscreen" button has a dark background" [Normal,New]
[16:47] <seb128> larsu, taking it easy, see you tomorrow!
[16:47] <Laney> looking at this tomorrow
[16:47] <Laney> thanks
[16:47] <desrt> Laney: i suspect this bug is evil........
[16:47] <desrt> the monitoring one
[16:47] <Laney> the one I pointed to?
[16:47] <larsu> seb128, Laney: thanks! See you tomorrow
[16:47] <desrt> i get the impression you've uncovered a fairly fundamental race inside of how gvfs works
[16:48] <Laney> someone just gave me an extremely weird look
[16:48]  * Laney is perched like an owl on a chair in the library
[16:48] <seb128> lol
[16:48] <desrt> :)
[16:48] <desrt> larsu: off for the night?
[16:48] <larsu> http://spectacledowls.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/5/8/16589066/1506249.jpg
[16:48] <larsu> desrt: ya, feeling a bit sick
[16:49] <seb128> larsu, :-))
[16:49] <desrt> larsu: feel better.  good night.
[16:49] <larsu> thanks!
[16:50] <Laney> desrt: I just suspected a similar thing since it worked with 2.44
[16:58]  * willcooke -> EOD
[16:58] <willcooke> gnight
[17:20] <Laney> also bye!
[17:34] <Laney> really bye :)
[17:34]  * Laney is too late to climb so will see what goodies the library can offer up
[17:34]  * qengho afk to retrieve repaired car.
[18:26] <Trevinho> Bbye!
[18:52] <desrt> Laney: your testcase contains a very annoying bug :)
[18:53] <desrt> Laney: can you tell me when you ran into this issue?
[19:51] <robert_ancell> hi all
[23:58] <andyrock> good night all
[23:59] <qengho> good night


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