[00:09] <mterry> robert_ancell, what are your thoughts on using libgnome-desktop3 to set the average background color?  I'm not sure I want to propose rewriting how we do the background stuff we have at this late juncture, so it would mean we'd be using its background setting method even though the user never saw the root window
[00:09] <mterry> robert_ancell, this is in reference to bug 1043572
[00:10] <robert_ancell> mterry, should be ok
[00:11] <mterry> robert_ancell, I'll try to whip something up, but in order to make it for UIF, I'll try to finish it tonight so you can review
[00:11] <robert_ancell> ok
[04:35] <pitti> Good morning
[06:24] <malkauns> how do you create animated progressbars in gtk-3 ?
[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[09:06] <cody-somerville> wtf
[09:06] <cody-somerville> my e-mail to ubuntu-devel has been moderated
[09:06] <cody-somerville> "The reason it is being held:
[09:06] <cody-somerville>     Post by non-developer to moderated list."
[09:06] <cody-somerville> Ugh. I'm the owner of ubuntu-core-dev. Pretty sure I'm a developer ;p
[09:07] <ogra_> cody-somerville, sent under wrong address ?
[09:07] <cody-somerville> Checked
[09:07] <xnox> cody-somerville: wrong email alias? which email are you subscribed to with to the mailing list? @ubuntu?
[09:07] <cody-somerville> Sender<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:08] <ogra_> did you stop developing and mailman noticed ? :)
[09:08]  * xnox ..... who will break the news out to cody?! =))))))))))) *giggles*
[09:08] <cody-somerville> possibly :-)
[09:08] <cody-somerville> mailman is written by barry so it's probably got all sorts of features ;)
[09:09] <ogra_> haha
[12:37] <jamespage> can someone help me understand why 'apt-get install bacula' in 12.04 results in 'bacula : Depends: bacula-server but it is not going to be installed'
[12:37] <scott-work> stgraber: do you know to whom i would speak to learn how to set up ubuntu studio's profile for autotesting per https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-ubuntu-flavors ?
[12:38] <jamespage> I figure its something todo with unversioned dependencies on the bacula meta-package but I'd like to understand why it creates this issue (if that is the problem)
[12:38] <scott-work> point me at documentation, an example, or another person would be helpful :)
[12:41] <zul> jamespage:  good question and i dont think you are being a dumbass
[12:47] <geser> jamespage: tested in my precise vm and apt is happy with the dependencies. try if "apt-get install bacula bacula-server" tells you more (you might need to repeat this with additional dependencies till you get to the real error)
[12:48] <jamespage> geser, hmm -  "apt-get install bacula bacula-server" works just fine
[12:48] <geser> interesting
[12:49] <jamespage> geser, there is a version of bacula in -updates as well which I think is causing the problem
[12:49] <jamespage> bacula -> bacula-server
[12:49] <jamespage> bacula does not have a versioned Depends on bacula-server
[12:50] <geser> I've -updates enabled in my precise vm and "sudo apt-get -s install bacula" shows no error
[12:52] <jamespage> geser, odd - I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1175807/ from exactly the same command
[12:53] <geser> is this about an upgrade or fresh install of bacula?
[12:54] <jamespage> geser, fresh install
[12:54] <jamespage> relates to bug 1034962
[12:54] <jamespage> geser, my instance is fully up-to-date and is amd64 arch
[13:02] <geser> jamespage: did you try if temporarily disabling the -updates repo "fixes" it?
[13:03] <jamespage> geser, good point
[13:03]  * jamespage tries it
[13:05] <jamespage> hmm - odd - I still see the same issue
[13:05]  * jamespage puts the idea about -updates confusing things in the bin
[13:10] <geser> try activating some of apt's Debug settings like Debug::pkgProblemResolver, perhaps it gives a hint
[13:34] <jamespage> geser, thanks for that pointer - I think I see the issue
[13:35] <jamespage> I think its a Recommends down the depencency chain on a virtual package - this is fixed in quantal
[13:36] <jamespage> precise: Recommends: bacula-sd-tools
[13:36] <jamespage> quantal: Recommends: bacula-sd-mysql (>= 5.2.6+dfsg-2ubuntu1) | bacula-sd-tools
[13:37] <hallyn> jodh: SpamapS: the upstart cookbook doesn't seem to mention anything about 'restart job' acting different from 'stop; start' when there is a pre-stop or post-stop stanza.  that is the case right?
[13:39] <jamespage> zul, geser: its broken in oneiric as well
[13:39]  * jamespage sighs
[13:41] <geser> jamespage: you're probably right. I had Recommends disabled my precise vm and with Recommends enabled I get that error too
[13:42] <jamespage> geser, testing that theory now; the Recommends has been like that since forever so suspect a change in resolver behaviour as well - but its def not right
[13:42] <geser> but 'sudo apt-get -s install bacula -oApt::Install-Recommends=false' works again
[13:42] <jamespage> geser, thanks for the help BTW
[13:50] <jamespage> gema, ^^ why we need more automated test coverage of seeded packages which are not on ISO's
[13:51] <gema> jamespage: excuse my ignorance, where do I find those seeds?
[13:52] <jamespage> gema, launchpad - they are all owned by the ubuntu-core-dev team
[13:52] <jamespage> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.quantal for example
[13:52] <geser> jamespage: the interesting question is if this is a packaging bug in bacula or a regression in apt
[13:53] <jamespage> geser, depends on what apt should do when trying to resolve a virtual package
[13:53] <jamespage> I find it odd that it just picks one
[13:53] <jodh> hallyn: well spotted. Yes, that is the case - the behaviour needs documenting in the man pages too. I'll add to the Cookbook this week if I get a chance.
[13:54] <hallyn> jodh: thanks, wanted to make sure
[13:54] <jamespage> mvo, any opinion on the discussion above?
[13:55] <geser> assuming it ever worked as expected
[13:55] <jamespage> geser, quite
[13:56] <geser> btw this was Debian bug #602222
[13:59] <jamespage> geser, looks like thats been dropped during merges for some time....
[14:00] <jamespage> geser, there is certainly a behavioural change in apt between natty and oneiric which reveals this issue
[14:08] <soren> hallyn: I don't know if it answers your question, but restart and stop;start differ in that stop;start stops the job as upstart knows it in-memory and then starts it anew based on what's in the upstart job file now. Restart doesn't care what's on disk. It uses it's in-memory copy of the job description as it were when it was started.
[14:08] <soren> hallyn: Whether there are differences wrt to pre-stop and post-stop handling.. I don't know.
[14:12] <dholbach> gema, dpm, ScottK, bdrung: ready? :)
[14:13] <dpm> dholbach, in 45 mins?
[14:13] <gema> dholbach: dpm is starting, I am second!
[14:13] <dholbach> yep
[14:13] <gema> ready
[14:13] <dholbach> just asking all speakers of today
[14:13] <dpm> gema, yes dholbach is aware too, we've changed it in the calendar. Thanks again for swapping :)
[14:14] <gema> dpm: no problem!
[14:14] <bdrung> dholbach: yes as a ill developer can be
[14:14] <hallyn> soren: yea, that bit is documented in the cookbook.  but also if there is a pre-stop or post-stop stanza, then 'restart' does not kill and restart it.  i only know bc that's been a problem with libvirt before
[14:14] <hallyn> biab
[14:19] <Peace-> just to report something that ubuntu devs should read http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/08/osx-killed-linux/ that's maybe why developers can't do a good  programs for years things are keeping changing and they broke always the code you did before
[14:27] <arges> Hello. If a debian bug targets the wrong package, is there a way to change the package it was targeted against, or should I file a new bug?
[14:27] <pitti> arges: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control
[14:27] <arges> pitti, thanks
[14:28] <pitti> arges: if you have the "bts" tool working, "bts reassign 12345 new-package new-version"
[14:28] <pitti> otherwise mail the command to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:28] <arges> ahh very nice
[14:33] <ricotz> hello, could an archive-admin look into accepting clutter-gst-2.0 ? -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-gst/+bug/1040930
[14:36] <seb128> ev, is e.u.c broken?
[14:36] <ev> seb128: working fine here
[14:36] <seb128> ev, selecting: 12.10, gnome-control-center, the past month gives me a "No data to display" which I find hard to believe ;-)
[14:36] <seb128> like I know g-c-c has bugs, it should have collected at least one in august
[14:37] <seb128> there is a solid list of those for 12.04 though
[14:38] <ev> seb128: it's a sort of bug in the deployed version of errors.ubuntu.com....
[14:39] <ev> it only shows problems with instance counts >= 20
[14:39] <ev> whereas trunk takes the 100 problems with the highest instance counts
[14:39] <seb128> so no g-c-c bug got >= 20 during august
[14:39] <seb128> that's hard to believe
[14:39] <ev> so looking at trunk, I see problems with 18, 16, and 9 instances (and so on)
[14:39] <ev> in quantal.
[14:40] <seb128> ok, maybe we have less quantal users that I though
[14:40] <seb128> some bugs have > 3000 in precise for g-c-c during august and they are not fixed in quantal
[14:40] <ev> in 12.04 we had 3447 instances for the biggest g-c-c problem
[14:40] <seb128> yeah, I'm just surprise that we don't have a magnitude of some hundred for quantal at least
[14:41]  * xnox quantal users don't use g-c-c but use dconf-editor?
[14:41] <seb128> it means we don't get enough people running it yet at this stage to do work in a statistical way :-(
[14:41] <seb128> ev, thanks for the responses
[14:41] <ev> seb128: anytime :)
[14:42] <seb128> xnox, could be, it means we don't have enough real datas to know what to work on though ... at this point we are basically back to IRC pings and launchpad :p
[14:42] <ev> seb128: for what it's worth, ubiquity's top problem in 12.10 has 220 instances
[14:42] <ev> so it could just be that g-c-c is lightly used so far
[14:42] <ev> (software-center's is 1338)
[14:43]  * xnox probably should look at those about ubiquity....
[14:43] <seb128> ev, yeah, could be
[14:43] <seb128> ev, ok, maybe I'm overlooking it but where are retraced stacktraces hidding?
[14:43] <seb128> ev, I would like to get some debug infos for https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=failed%3A%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fgnome-control-center%3A11%3Ax86_64%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fcontrol-center-1%2Fpanels%2Flibnetwork.so%2Bd0e5%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2Bfeca%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B28741%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B29242%3A%2Fus
[14:43] <seb128> r%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2Bfca2%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B20d71%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B29099%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B29242%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibdbus-glib-1.so.2.2.2%2B110a7%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2Bfca2%3A%2Fusr%2Fl
[14:43] <seb128> ib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B20d71%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B29099%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibgobject-2.0.so.0.3200.3%2B29242%3A%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibdbus-glib-1.so.2.2.2%2B116e6%3A%2Flib%2Fx86_64-linux-gnu%2Flibdbus-1.so.3.5.8%2Be9a6
[14:44] <seb128> arg
[14:44] <seb128> sorry for the spam, I didn't see that 1 line would do that
[14:44] <seb128> ev, that's the most reported g-c-c bugs for 12.04 in august
[14:44] <seb128> bug
[14:47] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek last day starting in 13 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:48] <ev> seb128: that one failed to retrace
[14:48] <ev> back in a few - need to help a colleague
[14:48] <seb128> ev, ok
[15:12] <stgraber> sconklin: that'd be me
[15:13] <stgraber> oops
[15:13] <stgraber> wrong tab-complete
[15:13] <stgraber> scott-work: ^
[15:19] <debfx> infinity: clang 3.1 ping :)
[15:42] <karunCool> Hello
[15:42] <scott-work> stgraber: sorry to bother you :)   i'll await the ping then
[16:22] <karunCool> Hello anyone here
[16:22] <karunCool> ???
[16:30] <SpamapS> hallyn: re pre-stop screwing up restart.. its bug 703800
[16:31] <hallyn> SpamapS: yup, thanks, i've marked it a dup
[16:39] <bjf> slangasek: bug 1043936
[16:39] <bjf> slangasek: this is something i mentioned last week in the release channel
[16:41] <bjf> slangasek: i'm just now getting back to it
[16:41] <slangasek> bjf: is this with or without preseeding of interface names?
[16:41] <slangasek> bjf: fwiw this isn't ubiquity, ubiquity is only used in the desktop live installer
[16:41] <bjf> slangasek: no preseeding of interface names
[16:41] <slangasek> ok
[16:41] <bjf> slangasek: i didn't know what to file the bug against
[16:42] <slangasek> so it looks like we've failed to get biosdevname included in the target
[16:42] <slangasek> bjf: can you confirm that the biosdevname package is missing on the system?
[16:42] <bjf> slangasek: any log files you'd like me to attach?
[16:42] <bjf> slangasek: i had to install biosdevname myself
[16:43] <slangasek> bjf: have you rebooted since installing biosdevname?
[16:43] <bjf> slangasek: no
[16:44] <bjf> slangasek: can do if you'd like me to
[16:44] <slangasek> bjf: so I expect that a reboot will rejigger the interface names now that biosdevname is present, and let things work as intended; we just need to sort out why the package wasn't included in the target
[16:45] <bjf> slangasek: would you like me to reboot and see?
[16:45] <slangasek> bjf: if that's ok, yes
[16:45] <bjf> slangasek: np
[16:46] <bjf> slangasek: i have no problem reprovisioning this system from scratch if that would help in any way
[16:46] <bjf> slangasek: it's a test box and only takes about 10 minutes
[16:47] <slangasek> bjf: I think if you can attach /var/log/installer/*, and confirm that a reboot is sufficient to fix the networking, that's all we need
[16:47] <bjf> slangasek: just so you know, i had to fix up /etc/network/interfaces by hand to get it onto the network and install biosdevname
[16:48] <slangasek> oh, then after reboot your config file and interface names will be criss-crossed ;)
[16:48] <bjf> slangasek: nope, everything came up as eth0 still
[16:49] <slangasek> bjf: ok, then /var/log/udev as well please
[16:49] <bjf> ack
[16:59] <bjf> slangasek: logs attached
[17:05] <infinity> Riddell: Did you have any plans to fix the symbols files in telepathy-qt for ARM and PPC?  It's been FTBFS all month...
[17:23] <bjf> slangasek: i also attached the preseed file that i'm using
[17:30] <xnox> barry: I don't like OrderedDict. It should support being initialised with dictionary syntax yet preserving order. E.g. OrderedDict({'x':1,'a':1,'b':1}).items() == ['x','a','b'] should be True, but it's not =(
[17:30] <xnox> barry: oh well, will change to tuple now =(
[17:32] <xnox> barry: wait.... i simply don't need a dictionary in this case at all, just tuple of tuples.
[17:32]  * xnox likes OrderedDicts again
[17:33] <geser> :)
[17:37] <barry> xnox: exactly.  the former suggestion would be impossible
[17:38] <xnox> barry: phhhh if import print_functions changes print(), you could make former to work !!!! =)
[17:39] <xnox> if barry.is_away(): self.make_black_magic()
[17:39] <barry> xnox: if you'd like to submit a pep <wink> i can commit it for you, but i think it will not live long before the guido hammer fell :)
[17:40] <xnox> barry: maybe on 1st of april
[17:40] <xnox> =)
[17:40] <barry> yes! we need a new april fools joke :)
[18:58] <bjf> slangasek: i added biosdevname to my preseed file pkgsel/include and that seems to have done the trick
[18:58] <bdrung> ScottK: developer week session in a few minutes
[19:00] <slangasek> bjf: right-o - so we just need to fix it so that's done by default
[19:00] <bjf> slangasek: ack
[19:11] <kees> \o/ biosdevname
[19:20] <xnox> kees: =)))) if only people new the things that get you excited ! =)
[19:21] <kees> xnox: it's my secret sysadmin upbringing or something :)
[19:22] <xnox> kees: I'm thinking to get a Linksys WRT router in a plush form now =)
[19:22] <kees> ah!
[19:23] <kees> I just built my first dd-wrt router :)
[19:55] <geser> and if kees drops soon out of IRC we know why :)
[20:24] <kees> geser: heh, so far I haven't null-routed myself :)
[20:52] <smoser> pitti, around ?
[20:53] <ScottK> jbicha: There's a bug in gnomebuntu-default-settings.postrm.  It still says Xubuntu.  Please fix and reupload.
[20:54] <smoser> i was looking at bug 1018552 . i'm generally python illiterate.
[20:54] <smoser> data/general-hooks/ubuntu.py uses 'startswith' a lot of times. and seems to pass strings in.
[20:56] <ScottK> smoser: The issue in that bug is a matter of type changes between python and python3.
[20:56] <smoser> right.
[20:57] <ScottK> In python, string and bytes are interchangeable, but in python3 they're different types.
[20:57] <smoser> so i can easily fix that case, with: ami.startswith(b'ami-')
[20:57] <smoser> but the file is loaded with those
[20:57] <ScottK> The 'b' at the start makes is of type bytes and not type string.
[20:57] <smoser> so all of thse uses of startswith should be fixed, no?
[20:58] <ScottK> It depends on if it really should be bytes and not string.
[20:58] <ScottK> Congratulations.  IME the is the most painful part of python/python3 porting.
[20:59] <ScottK> When you trip over the added distinction in the two types you have to step back and figure out which one you actually want.
[20:59] <ScottK> I'd ask barry  to look at it as he claims to understand this distinction well.
[20:59] <smoser> ah. is see.
[20:59] <smoser> the url.open returns bytes
[20:59] <smoser> easiest to just change that to  a string i think
[21:00] <ScottK> Probably, but I haven't looked at the code, so I don't have a very valid opinion.
[21:00] <bdrung> smoser: you need to decode/encode it as some kind of string if the url returns a string
[21:00] <barry> sorry, i'm deep into a few other things atm.  i could possibly help later
[21:02]  * ScottK looks for a minion to ping barry every 5 minutes IOT ensure his productivity is completely destroyed.
[21:03] <jbicha> ScottK: thanks
[21:03]  * barry needs no extra help destroying his productivity
[21:09] <smoser> barry, bdrung anyeone.. if you want to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/quantal/apport/lp1018552/+merge/122147
[21:09] <smoser> i'm pretty sure that is right (at least it seems to test right)
[21:09] <smoser> but it seems like theres other hplaces there in ubuntu.py that should also need to be fixed.
[21:09] <barry> smoser: is this python3?
[21:10] <smoser> yes.
[21:10] <smoser> apport is python3
[21:12] <barry> smoser: i'm uncomfortable with the blanket str() conversion.  probably better to .decode('utf-8') assuming the bytes are coming back as utf-8.  the problem is you need to know the encoding, or be told it out of band.  or you can just cross your fingers which is what this is pretty much doing ;)
[21:12] <smoser> barry, i changed it
[21:12] <smoser> you're looking at old diff i think
[21:12] <barry> smoser: ah, sorry
[21:12] <smoser> if ami and ami.startswith(b'ami'):
[21:13] <barry> yeah, that's probably better
[21:13] <barry> bytes is bytes :)
[21:13] <smoser> do you think there are othe rthing sin that file that need to be fixed?
[21:14] <smoser> well. i'm gonna upload this one.
[21:15] <barry> smoser: i can't really tell from the diff context.  i'd have to review the code, but i don't have any time right now to do that :(
[21:16] <smoser> fine.
[21:16] <smoser> i'm uploading this one now
[21:30] <soren> hallyn: Oh, ok. Interesting. That's good to know. Thanks!
[21:30] <soren> hallyn: (re: upstart jobs and pre-stop and post-stop stanzas)


[10:44] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, did anybody had a change to look at libsdl2 sync I did for xenial?
[10:59] <zhangchao_phone> hi ,It has what effect?
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg> the version changed from 2.0.2 to 2.0.4 with a ton of bug fixes, but theoretically the same API/ABI


  I called ops
[02:48] <nalioth> we saw it.
[02:48] <Jack_Sparrow> ok...
[02:49] <ardchoille> He came into #kubuntu saying they wouldn't help him in #ubuntu. Now I know why
[03:13] <cowlikk> hello i was foolish and i am needing to be unbanned can someone help me with thi
[03:15] <cowlikk> :'(
[03:15] <Jack_Sparrow> You were beyone foolish.. you were downright rude...
[03:16] <cowlikk> i know i got carried away
[03:17] <cowlikk> i just dont understand why caps are so offensive
[03:18] <cowlikk> so i guess no one here can help?
[03:19] <Jack_Sparrow> I'll see if pici wants to review this.
[03:19] <Pici> cowlikk: Let me take a look at the logs, hold on.
[03:20] <Jack_Sparrow> 18:44:11
[03:20] <cowlikk> they arent pretty
[03:20] <cowlikk> sorry
[03:20] <ardchoille> I think there is more to it than the caps
[03:20] <Jack_Sparrow> 18:43 actually
[03:20] <cowlikk> how is everyone no what is going on already
[03:20] <no0tic> Jack_Sparrow, in your TZ ;)
[03:20] <cowlikk> i dont know what that means
[03:21] <cowlikk> i have only had linux since about 11pm last night
[03:21] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[03:21] <Jack_Sparrow> I can paste it but you wont like it
[03:21] <cowlikk> now i screwed up bigtime cause i cant get help cause i was a @ss hole
[03:22] <somerville32> cowlikk, There are other channels you can get help in
[03:22] <cowlikk> if only i new where
[03:23] <cowlikk> i tried some
[03:23] <Jack_Sparrow> no0tic: I need to get some sleep.. see you in the morning
[03:23] <cowlikk> still no go
[03:23] <somerville32> !irc | cowlikk
[03:23] <ubotu> cowlikk: A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[03:23] <no0tic> Jack_Sparrow, bye
[03:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici.. goodnight...
[03:23] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: later
[03:29] <cowlikk> .....
[03:57] <cowlikk> am i still banned
[03:58] <nalioth> cowlikk: and you're likely to stay that way for at least a few more hours
[03:59] <cowlikk> so come back when
[04:22] <cowlikk> now can i get unbanned
[04:29] <Pici> ...
[04:30] <Myrtti>
[04:30] <Pici> hi Myrtti
[04:30] <Myrtti> moin
[04:31] <Myrtti> shower -->
[04:31] <Pici> My shower is that way... how'd you guess?
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> Pici: Myrtti doesn't guess.
[04:55] <Myrtti> I *know*
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> Pici will never take a shower in peace again :P
[04:56]  * Pici is frightened
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> is it a bad thing if my first flickr post is kinda gross?
[05:00] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: not again!
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> what?
[05:01] <tonyyarusso> hmm, I thought F-Spot was the default photo handler now.  Guess not.
[05:01] <nalioth> thought we talked about you being gross :P
[08:37]  * kitofhawaii smacks forehead
[08:38] <elkbuntu> what is he up to now?
[08:39] <ardchoille> elkbuntu: What is required if one wishes to become a member of the community council?
[08:42] <kitofhawaii> oh he was fine :) but i caught the perfect moment to start talking to him about things, told him i was really concerned about his relationship with you guys, and the mutual mistrust, and that it was going to impede things for the team...he asked what to i mean...and the funniest thing happened
[08:42] <kitofhawaii> the power went out =))
[08:42] <ardchoille> lol
[08:42] <kitofhawaii> not only did it go out, it went out twice in about three seconds. enough to brick my wireless router :-))
[08:44] <kitofhawaii> please tell me there's no channel op command to do that =)) /kickbanbrickrouterwithpoweroutage? :)
[08:44] <elkbuntu> kitofhawaii, not that i know of, or i'd use it occasionally :Þ
[08:44] <ardchoille> hehe
[08:45] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, you mean become an ubuntu member?
[08:45] <ardchoille> elkbuntu: So all ubuntu members are also members of the community council?
[08:46] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, no, members are recognised participants of the community, the community council, a very small select group of people, decide who becomes a member
[08:46] <ardchoille> Ok, that's what I wanted to know.
[08:47] <elkbuntu> !member
[08:47] <ubotu> Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[08:47] <ardchoille> aha
[08:49] <Myrtti> /me still isn't sure should she apply
[09:00] <PriceChild> On tv, they are beat-boxing "silent night"...
[09:01] <ardchoille> PriceChild: That's blasphemy
[09:02] <PriceChild> Its worse than (c)rap.
[09:02] <ardchoille> hehe
[09:03] <elkbuntu> so it's rap(e) then?
[09:04] <ardchoille> hahaha
[09:04] <PriceChild> Never heard or rap with the silent c?
[09:05] <PriceChild> And rape isn't funny. (shut up jdong)
[09:24] <white_eagle> hello, please take the ban off me at #ubuntu, I haven't done anything so bad to punish me for 1 day
[09:24] <white_eagle> huh?
[09:27] <white_eagle> hello
[09:27] <white_eagle> anyone
[09:27] <white_eagle> operators
[09:27] <white_eagle> none?
[09:27] <Gary> this behaviour might not be helping with the lifting of any ban
[09:27] <white_eagle> but what should I do
[09:28] <white_eagle> I didn't spam, I just told that Linux isn't an OS, that it is an kernel, and because of the "argument" that followed they banned me
[09:28] <white_eagle> a kernel*
[09:29] <PriceChild> white_eagle, please be patient.... let me read up.
[09:32] <PriceChild> white_eagle, I see you were given quite a bit of warning that your discussion was offtopic?
[09:32] <white_eagle> ........I just said that
[09:32] <white_eagle> and then again
[09:32] <PriceChild> #ubuntu has over a thousand users... and can be very very hectic. Offtopic discussion can make giving support very hard.
[09:32] <white_eagle> and nothing else
[09:33] <PriceChild> no you didn't
[09:33] <white_eagle> well what did I say
[09:33] <white_eagle> ...
[09:33] <PriceChild> You said that line.... !offtopic and !topic were called, you said it again
[09:34] <white_eagle> see, I told that 2 times
[09:34] <PriceChild> you continued offtopic talk
[09:34] <white_eagle> 2 TIMES
[09:34] <PriceChild> You were warned again.
[09:34] <white_eagle> ah, nevermind
[09:34] <white_eagle> don't want to get another ban
[09:34] <PriceChild> and then you took pride a little..
[09:34] <PriceChild> and then you were removed and banned
[09:35] <white_eagle> ah, and the others who joined the disc.
[09:35] <white_eagle> what about the
[09:35] <white_eagle> them*
[09:35] <Myrtti> that's totally irrelevant to your case
[09:35] <Myrtti> you are responsible for your own actions
[09:35] <Myrtti> they are for their own
[09:36] <Myrtti> if it was you who started it, then the responsibility is bigger for you
[09:36] <PriceChild> 1. You're the one that started it. 2. How others behave is no excuse for your own actions. 3. How others are treated has nothing to do with you.
[09:36] <white_eagle> and they don't have the lightest responsibility
[09:36] <white_eagle> right?
[09:36] <Myrtti> white_eagle: who said that?
[09:36] <Myrtti> I didn't
[09:37] <white_eagle> ah, eitherways just moving to fedora
[09:37] <white_eagle> bye
[09:37] <Myrtti> lol
[09:37] <somerville32> And who said that people don't choose their distro based on the people who use it? :P
[09:38] <PriceChild> quick Myrtti pm him back to invite him back with full apologies.... we didn't mean to go as far as to drive ALL HIS VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS towards fedora.
[09:38] <Myrtti> who cares ;-)
[09:38] <Myrtti> they all go upstream anyway, right ;-)
[09:38] <somerville32> In a perfect world :(
[09:38] <somerville32> But trust me, we don't live in a perfect world
[09:39] <PriceChild> would've let him back in probably
[09:39] <Myrtti> you pm him
[09:39] <PriceChild> lol no :)
[09:39] <somerville32> just unban him? :S
[09:39] <PriceChild> pfft no
[09:40] <somerville32> pfft. pfft.
[09:40] <Myrtti> pppfffffftttt
[09:40] <Myrtti> *HUGS*
[09:40]  * elkbuntu waits for the esr-like email
[09:41]  * somerville32 declares it past his bed time
[09:41] <somerville32> @now atlantic
[09:41] <ubotu> Current time in Canada/Atlantic: December 21 2007, 05:41:31 - Next meeting: MOTU meeting in 2 hours 18 minutes
[09:41] <somerville32> oh crap :/
[09:43]  * somerville32 sets the alarm for 8am
[09:44]  * PriceChild watches him set the alarm
[09:44]  * elkbuntu watches PriceChild watch somerville32 set the alarm
[09:44]  * PriceChild watches elky watch me
[09:44]  * elkbuntu watches pricechild watching her
[09:44]  * somerville32 goes to slee^H^H^H^H nap
[09:45]  * PriceChild watches him to go sleep
[09:45] <elkbuntu> yeah, lets all watch somerville32 sleep
[09:45]  * somerville32 closes the curtain on his monitor
[09:45] <elkbuntu> aww, he led us on :(
[10:01] <white_eagle> sorry for before
[10:01] <white_eagle> i was irritated
[10:50] <ubotu> wols_ called the ops in #ubuntu (botattack)
[11:34] <ubotu> In ubotu, intelikey said: vgafb is vga= framebuffer modes can be found at http://marzenada.blogspot.com/2006/08/kernel-vga-parameters.html
[11:38] <Mez> !vgafb is vga= framebuffer modes can be found at http://marzenada.blogspot.com/2006/08/kernel-vga-parameters.html
[11:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[12:24] <Pici> !fb
[12:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:24] <Pici> !framebuffer
[12:24] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[12:26] <Pici> Hrmm... I think that !vgafb is only going to confuse people.
[12:26] <Pici> Plus its already in the !framebuffer factoid.
[12:40] <Pici> !fb is <alias> framebuffer
[12:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[12:45] <Pici> !no framebuffer is <reply> Information about changing your framebuffer modes in GRUB can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#grub
[12:45] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[12:46] <Pici> !no vgafb is <alias> framebuffer
[13:23] <ubotu> _ruben called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[14:03] <Pici> SparX_: Let me just bring up my logs again
[14:03] <SparX_> ok
[14:03] <SparX_> but i was just testing the flood bot...
[14:03] <Pici> um.
[14:04] <SparX_> i consider i should be kicked first
[14:04] <Pici> Can I ask why you thought they needed testing?
[14:04] <SparX_> not immediatly banner
[14:04] <SparX_> *banned
[14:04] <SparX_> cos on some channels it doesnt work
[14:05]  * SparX_ is sorry.
[14:05] <Pici> So.. you thought that instead of talking to an op about it, you'd just flood the channel and think that you'd just get away with it?
[14:05] <SparX_> no
[14:05] <SparX_> i thought i would be kicked first
[14:05] <Pici> The bot didnt kick you, I did.
[14:06] <SparX_> you banned me
[14:06] <SparX_> not kicked
[14:06] <Pici> Yes, correct.
[14:07] <SparX_> i promise it wont happen again
[14:07]  * SparX_ is telling the truth.
[14:07] <Pici> See it from my side: You joined the channel, said nothing. Then 5 seconds later you tart spamming 1 blank line a second
[14:07] <Pici> s/tart/start
[14:07] <SparX_> well...
[14:08] <SparX_> anyway, if you will accept my apology do it, if you will not, then dont
[14:09] <Pici> SparX_: I can't in good conscience remove the ban at this time.
[14:09] <SparX_> whatever
[14:10]  * Hobbsee suspects people with such intelligence, or lack of it, should not be on irc anyway.
[14:11]  * SparX_ thinks Hobbsee is the only person here with lack of intelligence.
[14:13]  * no0tic thinks SparX_ has gained a time extended ban
[14:14]  * SparX_ says: "i dont care."
[14:14] <Pici> SparX_: If you have no further business here, we ask that you kindly depart.
[14:15] <Pici> well
[14:15] <Pici> I don't even have words for that.
[14:16] <LjL> ok, let me point out that "testing the floodbots" is something that would always get you a very long ban.
[14:16] <no0tic> try spamming a blank line avery 5 seconds
[14:16] <no0tic> *every
[14:16] <no0tic> hi LjL, good twilight
[14:16] <LjL> when i wrote them, i certainly didn't intend them to be an original new excuse for spamming and then having an excuse for it
[14:16] <LjL> no0tic: nah... 'tis morning
[14:17] <Hobbsee> wow...
[14:17] <Hobbsee> i wish id' stayed around.  could have kickbanned him from here myself.
[14:17] <Pici> The only reason I can think of for testing the floodbots would be to know how to tune your bot attacks
[14:17] <Hobbsee> Pici: make sure you comment him in the bantracker, please.
[14:17] <Pici> Hobbsee: Will do.
[14:18] <Hobbsee> Pici: comments such as "hobbsee thinks him a brainless git" are quite appropriate :P
[14:18]  * MenZa snickers.
[14:18] <LjL> Pici: that's one reason, another reason is to just annoy the channel and then saying "hey, i was trying to help you testing them!"
[14:18]  * Hobbsee just hopes that it *never* becomes publically accessable again
[14:18]  * Pici thinks that Mez needs to fix his ban scripts
[14:20] <Pici> Hes setting nick, ident and realname bans... :/  Good if you dont want someone coming back ever, but not really needed.
[14:21] <LjL> yeah, the banlist is already bordering on full
[14:21] <LjL> and one needs to be careful, because some idents/realnames can be pretty generic and catch a lot of folks
[14:22] <Pici> Right... like chatzilla's
[14:23]  * tonyyarusso hides
[14:23] <tonyyarusso> that never happened, of course
[14:24] <LjL> meh, we all do mistakes like that once in a while, doing it consistently as a standard way of banning is another matter though
[15:06] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia: Knock knock
[15:06] <LjL> knock knock jokes are banned
[15:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Want a joke.. was looking to see if he was around
[15:07] <Jack_Sparrow> wasnt
[15:07] <Pici> I thought ikonia was a girl for a while <.<
[15:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning pici
[15:08] <Pici> Morning
[15:08] <LjL> Pici: seems if you stay in #u-o for a while, you end up thinking people are girls for some reason
[15:08] <Jack_Sparrow> I think he asked about the game Sudoku, I wrote two versions, and I checked and both run under wine
[15:08] <LjL> i wrote a version for epoc32 :P
[15:12] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: you called
[15:12] <ikonia> Pici: I have good legs ;)
[15:12] <Pici> ikonia: hah
[15:12] <Jack_Sparrow> Hi ikonia...  Were you the one that asked about the game Sudoku
[15:12] <ikonia> not me
[15:13] <ikonia> I'm not clever enough for sudoku
[15:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry then.... Whoever it was will need to find me again.. sorry for the ot
[15:13] <ikonia> must dash. Time for more xray fun
[15:14] <Jack_Sparrow> take care of that toe
[15:19] <Hobbsee> yay, sudoku!
[15:19] <Jack_Sparrow> I wrote two cool version for ugh windows..
[15:19] <Jack_Sparrow> both run under wine.. to my surprise
[15:27] <jdong> 10:27 < sexypatty> wet pussy needs direction to cum, not here to play games if  you want to make me cum its just $5 for 24hrs and I will do  anything you want to see baby....
[15:28] <jdong> in #ubuntuforums, just kickbanned him/her
[15:28] <jdong> dunno if staffers want to take more action
[15:47] <Jack_Sparrow> gizmorena was trying to pull users into pvt chat to give them help, I joined to see what he was up to and he is giving bad advice...
[15:49] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: Log?
[15:50] <Jack_Sparrow> It isnt terrible advice, I asked him about flash...
[15:51] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: well, what was the advice?
[15:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry trying to paste it over.. but mostly add-remove and stuff that wont work...   then install manually.. he insists it will work with opera and other browsers
[16:35] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, Minataku said: ubotu: !irda is way too old to be of any use
[16:35] <Pici> ...
[16:52] <LjL> and what's more he wasn't even kidding.
[17:18] <Pici> go go gaget ban spam
[17:19] <LjL> Pici: like finding the banlist full?
[17:20] <Pici> gizmoarena: Howdy, how can we help you today?
[17:21] <gizmoarena> hi pici
[17:21] <gizmoarena> im here to support you guys
[17:23] <LjL> rrright
[17:24] <Seeker`> that was...interesting
[17:34] <LjL> *!billgates@*
[17:34] <LjL> ^ i don't know who set this, but bans like this are useless
[17:34] <LjL> to ban an ident, +b *!?=ident@*
[17:37] <Amaranth> that always trips me up
[17:37] <Amaranth> but i didn't set that one :P
[17:39] <Pici> Bantracker says its m-ez
[17:40] <Pici> also  *!gog123@*
[17:42] <LjL> please everyone, when you have some time check your old bans and remove some. good servers to connect from are zelazny and simmons, which currently show the correct banner nicknames for bans since August
[17:43] <Pici> I usually just search on the bantracker for my name
[17:44] <Pici> But yes
[17:49] <LjL> wow, client just froze solid
[17:56] <LjL> elporro: please change your ident to join #ubuntu
[17:56] <LjL> !language
[17:56] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:58] <jpatrick> elporro is also a bad nick
[17:58] <Pici> is it?
[17:59] <Pici> Didnt someone come in here before I recycled irc? i asked them if they needed help.
[17:59]  * Pici needs a bad advice hammer
[17:59] <no_name> it;s not really a bad name
[17:59] <jpatrick> it means the...like, a bad kind of cigarret in spanish
[17:59] <Gary> yeah, but they left Pici
[17:59] <nalioth> no_name: not your nick, your ident
[18:00] <no_name> it depends on the country of latin america
[18:00] <Pici> Gary: Didnt ask anything?
[18:00] <Gary> nope
[18:00] <Pici> Oh well.
[18:00] <Gary> well gizmoarena> im here to support you guys
[18:00] <Gary> the left
[18:00] <no_name> it can also mean a big stick like a club
[18:00] <Gary> then...
[18:01] <Pici> Odd.
[18:01] <Pici> no_name: Do you understand what we mean by your ident?
[18:01] <no_name> not really
[18:02] <LjL> no_name: well, it's the one that says "fuck".
[18:02] <jpatrick> the n=fuck
[18:02] <no_name> ohh
[18:03] <no_name> what about now?
[18:03] <nalioth> blah
[18:04] <Pici> You should be able to join #ubuntu now
[18:04] <no_name> I don't really know why Mirc asks for email
[18:04] <no_name> that's why I never take those fields seriously
[18:05] <Pici> Sigh.. someone was walking someone else through installing a suse package on Ubuntu in #u.
[18:05] <LjL> no_name: type /whois no_name
[18:05] <LjL> that's how you present yourself to other IRC users
[18:05] <LjL> Pici: the webcam thing?
[18:05] <Pici> LjL: The snack thing.
[18:06] <Pici> I'm not sure what it was for, I just saw the link to a rpm package on suse's site.
[18:09] <Gary> Pici, did you just write a blank like into #freenode ?  or are my fonts messed up?
[18:09] <LjL> he wrote some character
[18:09] <Pici> Gary: I was trying some ascii code, its probably some non-printable control character
[18:09] <LjL> otoh someone definitely pasted blank lines *again* into #ubuntu
[18:10] <Pici> vishal?
[18:11] <LjL> yeah
[18:11] <LjL> must be the blank-line-flood day today
[18:20] <LjL> being harsh on phusion.
[18:20] <LjL> i still believe he's a troll.
[18:22] <ompaul> speaks to something
[18:22] <ompaul> :)
[18:32] <FrancoGG> hi. lexou in #ubuntu spammed me once, in a pm
[18:33] <nalioth> thanks FrancoGG
[18:33] <FrancoGG> ty
[18:36] <nixternal> 12:29:06 [     fueI] eeekleee msn kimseye Soyleme Caným ||| funda_esk25
[18:36] <nixternal> nalioth: ^^ get that prick..that ip has been messaging for the past couple of days that crap
[18:37] <nalioth> nixternal: got an ip?
[18:37] <nixternal> <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:37] <nixternal> he isn't the only one, they have been coming in #ubuntu all week long doing this
[18:38] <nixternal> you rock :)
[18:38] <nalioth> nixternal: we know.
[18:38] <nalioth> we're trying to get a pattern on them
[18:38] <nalioth> so we can keep them from connecting
[18:39] <nixternal> hrmm, haven't been paying much attention to the IP addresses
[18:45] <nalioth> i just didn't understand the nick you pasted
[19:04] <sysdef> we (the #ubuntu-de* ops) want the lost channel #ubuntu-de-treffpunkt back for a forward to the new offtopic channel. who is the holder of the #ubuntu-* namespace? (aka the group contact)
[19:05] <nalioth> you are talking to them
[19:05] <sysdef> nalioth: heh, that's why i joined here ;D
[19:06] <sysdef> that is needed to rescue(?) the channel?
[19:09] <Pici> Tor still banned in #ubuntu/freenode?
[19:09] <sysdef> we started a new channel because the channel #ubuntu-de-treffpunkt was lost to spammers. now we use a moderated offtopic channel since more than a half year and need a forward to #ubuntu-de-offtopic
[19:11] <nalioth> Pici: tor is always banned in #ubuntu*
[19:11] <Pici> nalioth: What about users asking about tor? installing it?
[19:12] <nalioth> Pici: what about it? it is included in Ubuntu
[19:12] <jussi01> !tor
[19:12] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[19:12] <ubotu> Attention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[19:12] <nalioth> #tor exists
[19:12] <sysdef> the group contact can come down to #ubuntu-de-op and meet us because i set +I *!*@ubuntu/member/*
[19:13] <sysdef> thanks for your help :)
[20:32]  * tomaw wonders what LjL is doing
[20:49]  * jussi01 is getting annoyed that it is almost impossible to use a n800 withirssi as there is no alt key
[20:59] <LjL> tomaw: doing nothing... my connection was acting up, i suppose.
[21:00] <tomaw> Your quite reason was Excess Flood, so it's probably something other than your connection
[21:37] <LjL> tomaw: you say excess flood? but i've, uhm, some other clones connected. they're *all* doing that.
[21:40] <Pici> stop cloning around
[21:41] <LjL> Pici: meh, i'm just being a turk trap
[21:41] <LjL> and anyway, i'm pretty sure it's not the excessive amount of clones causing this
[21:42] <tomaw> Excess Flood means your connection is sending too much data to the server too quickly
[21:42] <tomaw> If could be your large number of channels and a less than perfect client
[21:43] <tomaw> s/f/t/
[21:43] <LjL> tomaw, i'm in a large number of channels, but no CTCP requests were sent, and my client doesn't send anything else unless i tell it to
[21:43] <LjL> also, the other clones i have connected are just in #ubuntu
[21:43] <LjL> (well, were, now they disconnected because they'd lost their nickname)
[21:44] <LjL> hey hey we're having exploit attempts... well concealed ones
[21:44] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE)
[21:45] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE)
[21:45] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (CTCP/NOTICE)
[21:46] <LjL> gah
[21:46] <Jordan_U> Just making sure that someone noticed what just happened in #ubuntu
[21:47] <Pici> Jordan_U: no, we're just twiddling our thumbs in here
[21:47] <Pici> :p
[21:48] <LjL-Mobile> see, i didn't even excess flood *now*
[21:48] <LjL-Mobile> (although the client is still trying to send ctcp replies)
[21:49] <Pici> why +mi ?
[21:49] <Pici> oh, you turned it off
[21:49] <LjL-Mobile> Pici: because +rR wasn't enough. yeah, i turned it off after LjL turned it on - LjL tried to turn it on some 5 minutes ago... but it only went through now :)
[21:50] <LjL-Mobile> LjL was and is kind of busy replying to those CTCP
[21:50] <Pici> oh
[21:50]  * LjL-Mobile on the other hand has mode +C set
[21:50] <Pici> okay.
[21:50] <Pici> I thought LjL-Mobile wasn't LjL for a second there.
[21:50] <PriceChild> Did they finally manage to cause some trouble?
[21:50] <LjL-Mobile> PriceChild, you're surprised? today they were "testing the floodbots".
[21:51] <Pici> ugh, don't remind me.
[21:51] <PriceChild> Same guys as the ones being D-lined the past few days?
[21:51] <LjL-Mobile> PriceChild: no, those are just the turks
[21:51] <Pici> These appear to be comcast bots, the other ones were turkish
[21:51] <LjL-Mobile> spammy, but mostly harmless
[21:59] <LjL> -r
[22:00] <Pici> arr
[22:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Argh// is the correct pronuncuatuion
[22:02] <LjL> we lost at least some 60-70 users anyway for the record
[22:03] <LjL> (which does at least about match the amount of people in -unregged)
[22:04] <somerville32> Alas, Deploy the search parties
[22:06] <LjL> one thing, did floodbot1 and floodbot3 also disconnect when i kept disconnecting with excess flood earlier?
[22:11] <Pici> LjL: Doesnt look like it
[22:12] <LjL> Pici: weird, all my actual clients were disconnected :|
[22:12] <LjL> Pici: see -unregged?
[22:12] <LjL> it's possible that some server is desynced. like last time.
[22:12] <LjL> although i doubt i will obtain from steel_lady the information i need *rolls eyes*
[22:14] <LjL> Pici, are you on xchat? if so, please tell steel_lady how to do a whois on herself...
[22:14] <Pici> LjL: irssi here.
[22:31] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:31] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:31] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[22:35] <Pici> thor: Greetings, how can we help you?
[22:36] <tritium> Good call, LjL
[22:36]  * Pici makes sure that this is indeed -ops
[22:36] <thor> just saw the reference to this channel in #ubuntu and thought I would see what it is all about.   I, for one, appreciate you and I'm sure I'm not alone.
[22:57]  * Gary passes LjL a nice hot mug of hot chocolate
[22:57] <Pici> Its the 1 user that can ruin it, while the other 900 people in the channel are saying thanks (thankfully not out loud)
[22:57] <ardchoille> Pici: Yeah
[22:58]  * LjL did fine with a cigarette, but thank you gary
[22:59] <LjL> Pici: yeah that's true pici, i wouldn't like to see all 1000 of them saying thanks, although sometimes a percentage do =)
[22:59] <LjL> ompaul: uhm... soft, but only because i've calmed down a bit now
[23:02] <LjL> ok so... now let's see if i can patch the bots so that they can find new ways to get around them.
[23:02] <Pici> Did we not detect the mass join?
[23:03] <LjL> Pici: there was no mass join, i think (although i should check the logs). it wasn't very many of them, but they sent many CTCP - and they were registered.
[23:03] <Pici> hmm.
[23:03] <LjL> Pici: the bots did detect a CTCP flood (and then *maybe* they detected a mass join, i don't know, because they don't report *further* attacks after one was just done)
[23:04] <LjL> Pici: then they set +rR, but that did very little to them, since they were registered. then they started banning them, but they were too slow at it, and about 70 people still managed to excess flood
[23:04] <LjL> Pici: but the most interesting thing happened *before* the CTCP attack. there were a couple of DCC exploits
[23:04] <Pici> LjL: I still saw a bunch of people in unregged get k-lined
[23:04] <LjL> although i doubt anyone even noticed
[23:05] <LjL> Pici: well, maybe some weren't registered. some certainly were, or they wouldn't have been able to keep CTCPing...
[23:05] <LjL> Pici: did you notice the dcc exploits?
[23:05] <Pici> LjL: I didn;t
[23:05] <LjL> [Fri Dec 21 2007] [22:43:11] Part       igcynpiu has left this channel ("DCC CHAT startkeylogger").
[23:05] <LjL> [Fri Dec 21 2007] [22:43:13] Part       imrfbxpftlbd has left this channel ("DCC CHAT startkeylogger").
[23:05] <LjL> [Fri Dec 21 2007] [22:44:22] Part       igcynpiu has left this channel ("DCC CHAT startkeylogger").
[23:06] <LjL> only kind of exploit the bots cannot detect.
[23:06] <Pici> Dont scare me like that
[23:06] <LjL> (well, they will in about 10 minutes, but)
[23:09] <Pici> odd
[23:11] <LjL> the bots really didn't behave that bad.
[23:11] <LjL> it was the attack that was good.
[23:11] <LjL> the first +rR was set way too late, though
[23:12]  * Pici needs to look at his logs
[23:16] <LjL> Pici: hold on, i'll get you something better
[23:24] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[23:24] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[23:24] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)


[01:03] <bazhang> ubuntu has been around for 7-8 years?
[01:03] <Myrtti> 2004 october
[01:03] <bazhang> yikes
[01:04] <Myrtti> I know
[01:47] <pangolin> hello TiMiDo
[01:47] <pangolin> How can we help you?
[01:48] <TiMiDo> i just got accept it, as a new Ubuntu Member, and maybe like to see, and meet people from the Ubuntu Community,
[01:49] <bazhang> congrats TiMiDo
[01:49] <TiMiDo> thank you bazhang
[01:49] <pangolin> I see, congrats! but this channel is for ubuntu channel ops and people who need to resolve bans/report issues
[01:49] <pangolin> TiMiDo: if you want an @ubuntu/member cloak you need to ask in #ubuntu-irc
[01:51] <TiMiDo> Right, thank you pangolin
[01:51] <pangolin> no problem and again Congrats :)
[01:52] <TiMiDo> thank you pangolin question can i park here,
[01:52] <pangolin> We prefer you did not.
[01:52] <TiMiDo> oh okey,
[13:09] <LjL> jrib: maybe you could shed some light on TheRandom's problem... his "sudo" locks up without asking for a password, except it works under "strace". hostnames appear to be matching so that's probably not it. "lsof | grep sudo" gives a bunch of permission denied's.
[13:12] <jrib> weird...
[13:13] <LjL> jrib: i don't think "lsof" ever gives me permission denied errors even if i don't run it as root, is it unreasonable to suspect something nasty?
[13:13] <jrib> LjL: don't know (about to walk out the door)
[13:13] <LjL> ok
[13:44] <LjL> lots of ciao !list lately
[13:44] <LjL>  /mode #ubuntu +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:44] <ikonia> yes
[13:45] <Myrtti> gets rid of all those pesky macaronis
[13:45] <Myrtti> like LjL
[13:45] <Myrtti> it doesn't?
[13:45] <Myrtti> d'awww
[13:46] <Myrtti> I need more tea, my brain is missing
[13:46] <LjL> i'd jump off that sinking ship immediately
[13:46] <ikonia> naughty
[13:46] <Myrtti> LjL: DOH!
[13:50] <Dave2> .win 69
[13:52]  * Myrtti walks away slowly from Dave2
[13:52] <Dave2> I was hoping nobody would notice my failure if I kept quiet :(
[13:52] <Tm_T> Dave2: in here? really?
[13:52] <Dave2> '/win 21
[13:53] <Dave2> ...oh come on
[13:53] <Tm_T> to the party!
[13:54]  * Myrtti wraps http://niklas.laxstrom.name/page/eng/irssi in nice paper and gives it to Dave2
[13:54] <Myrtti> a PRESENT!
[13:55] <Dave2> ooh, that could actually be useful
[13:55] <Tm_T> Dave2: but then we wouldn't be able to enjoy your mistyping that much /:
[13:55] <Dave2> aww :(
[13:55] <Myrtti> so instead of mistyping /win 21 you could just mistype wq
[13:55] <Tm_T> it's not as funny
[13:57] <Dave2> I'm sure I could find some other command to miss. But I can't think of many commands I use anywhere near as much as /win.
[14:00] <Tm_T> !away > Solsun__
[14:01] <Tm_T> LjL: ^
[14:01] <Myrtti> that was the second time
[15:40] <mneptok> LjL: VADA A BORDO, COZZA!
[15:55] <LulzCat> D: it's that bad D:
[15:55]  * LulzCat gets sad.
[15:56] <ikonia> LulzCat: I asked a user to stop calling me names, and you chose to then call me a racist for no reason and out of the blue
[15:56] <ikonia> do you really think that helped the channel ?
[15:56] <LulzCat> Ewww rager.
[15:59] <Tm_T> huh?
[15:59] <Myrtti> U HATERZ
[16:00] <h00k> huh.
[16:00] <Tm_T> funny day today
[16:00] <funkyHat> y u hatin'
[16:00] <Tm_T> oh right, it's not thursday
[16:01] <h00k> No. It's FRIDAY, FRIDAY
[16:03] <Myrtti> \o/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey-VNes5YQs \o/
[16:04] <h00k> oh.
[16:04] <h00k> my.
[16:04] <h00k> god.
[16:05] <Myrtti> :D-<
[16:05] <Tm_T> that video crashes chromium tab /:
[16:05] <Myrtti> :D|-<
[16:05] <Myrtti> :D/-<
[16:06] <Myrtti> could we ban all the italians now?
[16:06] <Tm_T> and stupid youtube for autoplaying videos /:
[16:06] <Myrtti> I've got Flash plugin disabled by default
[16:07] <Tm_T> I see any flash so rarely I keep forgetting it exists
[17:10] <LjL> mneptok: ma è buio e voglio andare a casa :(
[17:26] <mneptok> vuoi andare a casa, Schettino?
[21:04] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu grip Making commentary on the swift scrolling of "noob" questions, missing my hint to stop, ignoring this time
[21:10] <grip> ljl nominated me for ops?
[21:10] <LjL> not quite.
[21:10] <grip> jk
[21:10] <grip> so lets discuss my misbehavior
[21:10] <grip> "help help my programs arent working"
[21:10] <grip> effortless trolling
[21:10] <grip> I should be ashamed
[21:11] <LjL> well i think you know you were trolling, no need to point it out to you
[21:11] <grip> such tomfoolery is unappreciated in such a serious channel!
[21:11] <LjL> correct
[21:11] <grip> in all seriousness
[21:11] <grip> I get a kickout of watching noobs
[21:11] <LjL> the channel has ~1500 people in it, and it sometimes scrolls too fast for people to follow, so there's almost zero tolerance
[21:11] <grip> if silence is what it takes to lurk in there
[21:11] <grip> then that's what you'll get
[21:12] <grip> is that cool?
[21:12] <LjL> i'm not particularly fond of the idea of letting you back in just so you can "watch noobs"
[21:12] <LjL> that's not what the channel is for, and you've missed your chance by not staying put in the first place
[21:12] <LjL> come back in a week and someone will probably unban you, but not now
[21:13] <grip> cmon now
[21:13] <grip> dont do me like that soul brotha
[21:13] <grip> you hurt me~
[21:13] <grip> you hurt me so so bad~
[21:13] <grip> no keys for music notes~
[21:13] <grip> tildes are cool~
[21:13] <LjL> there are Unicode characters for music notes though... but, i'm sorry, decision is made.
[21:13] <grip> there's an ubuntu question
[21:14] <grip> how to music notes
[21:14] <grip> help help I have to use tildes for music notes
[21:14] <LjL> !info gucharmap > grip
[21:15] <LjL> grip: now if there is nothing else, i need to ask you to leave here
[21:17] <grip> really
[21:17] <grip> I cant even lurk the punishment room
[21:17] <grip> thats cold yo
[21:17] <grip> real cold
[21:17] <grip> you have legitimately hurt my feelings
[21:18] <LjL> well warm yourself up with reading !etiqutte
[21:18] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops grip Well, obvious troll... whatever
[22:21] <Myrtti> I thought he was banned
[22:21] <Myrtti> no hold on, brain malfunction
[22:25] <Myrtti> I'm not having a good day