[00:36] <David-A> faron: see Tools>Addons>Plugin or go to about:plugins, check if there are many plugins for the same filetype, then i think it will use the first one
[03:10] <neil_d> I have setup sshd in the ltsp chroot, including roots .ssh/authorized_keys file... now when I try to login into the terminal from the server as root I get 'Your account has expired; please contact your system administrator' :(   now how can the root account expire?  what do I do to fix this?
[04:07] <neil_d> join #edubuntu
[04:49] <Balsaq> good morning to all of you who choose to dwell in the peaceful coders sanctuary known as....Xubuntu!
[05:19] <cody-somerville> :)
[05:20] <Balsaq> good morning cody-somerville
[05:20] <cody-somerville> Morning!
[08:50] <gregg> hi all - just installed xubuntu, i'm normally a kde user, and I miss the function in the apps menu that lets me type the name of an app to get to it... is there an xfce menu alternative that will let me do something like that?
[08:51] <psycho_oreos> sort of like run command?
[08:53] <gregg> kinda... but with autocomplete - like if i want to run a terminal and can't remember if it's in "accessories" or whatever, i just start typing terminal then it appears in the menu
[08:53] <gregg> i think the menu in ubuntu does something like that too, but i don'
[08:54] <gregg> don't know what the menu's called... have googled my life away but can't figure it out
[08:54] <psycho_oreos> there's verve command line you can add into the panel but that doesn't handle autocomplete
[08:55] <gregg> http://kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre3/31025-3.png <-- like that
[08:55] <gregg> it's the only "eye-candy" i miss
[08:56] <psycho_oreos> well all I can say is that not every de/wm are made with the same purpose/intention in mind :)
[08:56] <gregg> good answer ;)
[08:57] <gregg> is there any reason the gnome-menu wouldn't work in xfce?
[08:57] <gregg> the libraries are there, aren't they?
[08:58] <psycho_oreos> what do you mean wouldn't work? you mean like there's no applet or the sort?
[08:59] <gregg> no no - i mean, i know there's something like i'm looking for implemented in gnome... was wondering if it would work in xubuntu
[09:00] <gregg> http://www.free-bees.co.uk/images/articles/opensuse102/gnomemenu.png
[09:01] <psycho_oreos> seems like you can't let go of that find capability, something that kde and gnome would have and xfce wouldn't have
[09:01] <gregg> ok... guess i'll have to live with it as-is then ;)
[09:02] <gregg> it's my first day with xfce, going great so far, but that was the only thing i was "lacking"
[09:03] <gregg> well that, and adobe acrobat, but that's a linux problem, not xfce ;)
[09:03] <psycho_oreos> its a far cry but there's an old saying similar to this scenario,"you can't have a cake and eat it."
[09:04] <gregg> yup
[09:05] <psycho_oreos> personally I was the same way initially but then I got over mumbling over the losses of specific things I really want.. and now if a certain thing doesn't have it, I'd look for a similar tool rather than the exact tool, failing that I'd most likely get over it
[09:06] <psycho_oreos> unless you're a programmer, you just have to make yourself more flexible when interchanging between various environments
[09:07] <gregg> oh there's no problem with flexibility - the ONLY thing i need from windows is adobe acrobat because of the text-recognition and embedding, but i just run that in a vm on my kubuntu installation
[09:08] <gregg> xubuntu is my usb installation to run from my work computer where i'm forced to run windows
[09:08] <gregg> the menu would just be nice, but i can survive with it the way it is :)
[09:08] <psycho_oreos> there might be an alternative instead of using vm, you might be able to get away with either wine or something like crossover
[09:10] <gregg> wine doesn't support acrobat, crossover either
[09:10] <gregg> but i can live with the vm - running it seamless keeps me happy
[09:12] <gregg> hmm - and i've just discovered xfapplet - might let me run the gnome menu in xfce
[09:36] <unley> hey there, can someone help me lease, I've tried numerous times to log in as a regular user to my Xubuntu 9.10 system to no avail, I'm in here now as root, can someone helpl me find out why this happened. Is there a log I can check?
[09:39] <_Techie_> umm, id check the gdm logs, if theres such a thing
[09:39] <unley> no idea where they'd be...
[09:40] <_Techie_> want me to boot into *buntu and poke around
[09:40] <unley> if it's no trouble
[09:40] <_Techie_> okay, ill be back in a bit
[09:40] <unley> any ideas? I'm looking
[09:41] <unley> nhang on
[09:41] <unley> found a gdm file in /etc
[09:41] <unley> folder
[09:43] <__Techie__> okay, gimme a minute while i wait for my mouse to start working
[09:44] <__Techie__> ive got a few kinks to work out of my system
[09:49] <__Techie__> grr, i wish i could work out this bug.... its soo annoying
[09:51] <unley> I've found /var/log/gdm
[09:52] <__Techie__> looks good, not sure which log file in there it would be exactly
[09:56] <__Techie__> im sorry, but im gonna boot into windows again
[09:56] <__Techie__> its an absolute prick of a job using *buntu without being able to use my mouse
[09:57] <unley> there seems to be
[09:57] <unley> a lot of entries saying
[09:57] <unley> Warning:          Duplicate shape name ""
[09:57] <unley> >                   Using last definition in a log :0.log
[09:58] <__Techie__> just a question before i reboot
[09:58] <unley> yeah
[09:58] <__Techie__> have you tried recreating the regular user while logged in under root?
[09:58] <unley> no
[09:58] <unley> sounds scary
[09:58] <unley> what do I do?
[09:58] <__Techie__> got a GUI?
[09:58] <unley> yes
[09:59] <__Techie__> then look in the admin menu's
[09:59] <__Techie__> i cant give you an exact location
[09:59] <unley> users and groups?
[09:59] <__Techie__> as im using ubuntu not xubuntu
[09:59] <__Techie__> thats the one
[09:59] <unley> ok
[09:59] <__Techie__> and also i cant open any of my manu's without the use of my non working mouse
[09:59] <__Techie__> menus*
[10:00] <__Techie__> anyway, be back in a few mins
[10:00] <unley> ok
[10:03] <_Techie_> okay, im back
[10:04] <unley> k
[10:06] <unley> be back in a minute, trying something
[10:11] <unley> no joy
[10:12] <unley> 1 more try
[10:12] <unley> back
[10:16] <unley> can someone help me work out why regular user login always fails
[14:21] <m00se> I'm running xubuntu kharmic and win7, and I'd like to change the boot order in the boot menu to reflect win7 as the default OS...can anyone give me a pointer on how to accomplish this?
[14:21] <Sysi> !grub2
[14:31] <Psilocybin_Elf> Does anyone know if Xubuntu 10.4 will include iPod support too?
[14:31] <Psilocybin_Elf> iPhone sorry*
[14:31] <bazhang> should do
[14:31] <Psilocybin_Elf> Cool
[14:31] <bazhang> ifuse you mean I am guessing
[14:32] <bazhang> !find ifuse lucid
[14:32] <Psilocybin_Elf> Well, I installed Xubuntu 9.10 on my friends' laptop
[14:32] <bazhang> !info ifuse lucid
[14:32] <Psilocybin_Elf> and iFuse came up with: USB device not specified
[14:32] <bazhang> from the PPA?
[14:32] <Psilocybin_Elf> wasn't sure how??!
[14:32] <Psilocybin_Elf> It was in the package manager
[14:33] <bazhang> !info ifuse
[14:33] <bazhang> yep 0.9.7 is a fix iirc
[14:33] <Psilocybin_Elf> But iFuse won't let you write to ur iPhone will it? as in copy tunes??!
[14:34] <bazhang> ur?
[14:34] <Psilocybin_Elf> your*
[14:34] <Psilocybin_Elf> sorry
[14:35] <bazhang> oh , not sure; no idea why not though
[14:35] <Psilocybin_Elf> I was reading an article about iFuse, googled it
[14:35] <Psilocybin_Elf> But 10.4 is supposed to have out-of-the-box iPhone support with Rhythmbox
[14:35] <Psilocybin_Elf> So i'll prob just wait
[14:35] <bazhang> that is what I heard as well
[14:36]  * Psilocybin_Elf nods.
[14:36] <Psilocybin_Elf> Good news
[14:36] <bazhang> well actually the iPod 3G, but same issues
[14:36] <Psilocybin_Elf> I mean, I don't use an iPhone myself, but it'll win over my brother & his friend
[14:36] <Psilocybin_Elf> Who are now converts
[14:36] <bazhang> good point
[14:37] <Psilocybin_Elf> Yeah, that's the main question I get asked about Linux: can I use iTunes or my iPhone?
[16:21] <ndrz>  hey, sudo update-grub didn't helped to boot windows, any other suggestions how to solve this problem ?
[20:59] <Timewall> Hey, is there anyone who can help me with an overscan problem?
[21:11] <_Techie_> !lucid
[21:14] <_Techie_> !kernel
[22:29] <lucas_> hey guys
[22:29] <lucas_> i need some help
[22:29] <Sysi> what's up
[22:30] <lucas_> well the thing is i want to o to youtube but i havent got flash installed
[22:31] <Sysi> install xubuntu-restricted-extras with synaptic or apt
[22:31] <lucas_> thx mate!
[22:33] <lucas_> what is the command line for apt
[22:33] <lucas_> ?
[22:33] <psycho_oreos> apt-get
[22:33] <psycho_oreos> aptitude
[22:33] <lucas_> then xubuntu-restricter-extras?
[22:33] <lucas_> sorry im new on linux ^^
[22:34] <Sysi> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricter-extras
[22:34] <psycho_oreos> xubuntu-restricted-extras is a repository not a package afaik
[22:34] <Sysi> isn't it meta package?
[22:34] <lucas_> i dont think so
[22:34] <lucas_> wait a sec
[22:35] <psycho_oreos> correction, I just checked it and I was wrong it is a package
[22:35] <Sysi> like virtual, itself nothing but all important as dependency
[22:35] <lucas_> guys brb
[22:35] <Sysi> !xubunu-restricted-extras
[22:35] <Sysi> typo..
[22:35] <psycho_oreos> it isn't marked as virtual package on my 9.04
[22:35] <Sysi> !xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:35] <psycho_oreos> !info xubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:37] <psycho_oreos> lol considering the size I'd say it'll be most likely virtual, weird how its marked as package instead of virtual on mine oh well
[22:38] <lucas_> then aptitude it is?
[22:38] <Sysi> !aptitude
[22:38] <psycho_oreos> aptitude is what I use personally, its smarter than apt-get
[22:39] <lucas_> ok
[22:39] <lucas_> i really suck at linux ...
[22:39] <psycho_oreos> we all had to start from somewhere
[22:39] <Sysi> more mistakes, more learning :P
[22:39] <lucas_> thx
[22:40] <lucas_> the first time i had to download something i was like WHAT???
[22:40] <lucas_> but how do i do to install flash?
[22:41] <psycho_oreos> !flash
[22:41] <lucas_> thanks
[22:41] <psycho_oreos> no worries
[22:44] <lucas_> yay it worked thx guys!
[22:45] <lucas_> xubuntu is great
[22:45] <lucas_> like so much faster than other os
[22:46] <lucas_> well goodbye guys


[00:03] <marcoceppi> review queue is about to get a big update, it'll be down for about 20 minutes
[00:51] <marcoceppi> jose: so, the testing button works, but the refresh profile (and refreshing of the queue is broken) so the button still won't work for you yet
[00:52] <jose> marcoceppi: thanks! lemme check
[00:52] <marcoceppi> jose: _won't_ work for you yet still
[00:52] <jose> ah
[00:52] <marcoceppi> yeah, hope to have it resolved soon
[00:53] <jose> no worries
[12:50] <jaywink> hi. any idea if there is any way to set some config values for charms which are not a part of the charm normal config? what I am thinking about is backing up postgresql backup dumps using the jujubackup charm, which relies on the backed up charm to have backup instructions as config. this is difficult in the case of say a charm from the store - would rather not fork all charms just to make them talk to jujubackup
[12:52] <jaywink> or maybe if I add those values to postgresql charm and the correct hooks to interact with jujubackup, wondering if there is any chance of that being accepted into the main charm code?
[12:54] <jaywink> well I guess there is only one way to find out :)
[13:01] <jaywink> btw, added swift storage for jujubackup, works nicely in an openstack environment now for charm backups
[13:27] <marcoceppi> jaywink: well, the postgresq charm already does regular dumps
[13:28] <marcoceppi> and puts them in a standard location
[13:29] <jaywink> marcoceppi, yeah, but would be nice to be able to deploy jujubackup as a subordinate and have the backups be zipped to swift for example .. I know it's easy to add a crontab entry :)
[13:30] <marcoceppi> jaywink: well you could do that as it is, just deploy jujubackup and have jujubackup include logic to sniff out common charms backup procedures
[13:30] <jaywink> but now reading more carefully postgres charm also has some kind of swiftwal backup functionality
[13:31] <jaywink> marcoceppi, yes was thinking about that too. though I guess the idea behind jujubackup was (reading it) that it would not require config and the other charm would instead have the config. but it's a bit heavy for common charms in the store for example
[13:48] <jaywink> any idea what is the risk level of doing a "juju upgrade-charm postgresql --switch --repository="/path"" operation on a postgresql charm deployed from the charm store, if the version of the charm is the same, eg I've branched the code out and just want to start using a local version?
[13:49] <marcoceppi> jaywink: not much, I mean --switch is pretty hulk smashy but if you're using a modified version fot he currently deployed charm not much harm
[13:49] <marcoceppi> it's actually a great way to switch to a patched version of the charm while you wait for the store to be updated
[13:50] <jaywink> ok thanks! I have backups ;)
[14:12] <jaywink> hmm I wonder if anyone uses the SwiftWAL feature of postgresql charm? I don't get the crontab entry installed and looking at the code I can't see how it could work - the configs are never used to init the crontab part OR swiftwal config template. Been trying to look for a development version branch but no luck so far
[21:34] <jaywink> any idea why charm_helpers_sync.py isn't installed as a script when installing charmhelpers from pip for example? I can see from the setup that it isn't, just wondering why - seems like it would be much easier to use :)
[23:24] <lazyPower> jaywink: we *just* got charmhelpers in pip
[23:25] <lazyPower> there's still a lot of work that needs to go into shoring it up. if you file a bug against charmhelpers that will help remind us that there are papercuts left around that are low hanging fruit
[23:25] <lazyPower> http://launchpad.net/charmhelpers
[23:26] <jaywink> lazyPower, ok thanks, figured there was probably no reason for it not being installed :) will file a bug
[23:29] <jaywink> can't quite put my finger to why, but I tried to install some swiftwal requirements in the postgresql charm by adding charmhelpers.contrib.python and using that pip_install command - but it just doesn't do things the same way as I run a subprocess.call for the same packages in the same part of the charm .. but I couldnt' really figure out quickly why, probably due to some versions conflicting which it was not able to solve but pip cli
[23:29] <jaywink>  was able to solve


[00:00] <OvenWerks> (simplify things)
[00:08] <OvenWerks> Actually this seems to be only three files:
[00:09] <OvenWerks>  /etc/grub.d/09_lowlatency Makes Lowlatency kernel default
[00:10] <OvenWerks> /etc/sysctl.d/50-ubuntustudio.conf sets swappiness = 10 and has some commented out settings we could not confirm.
[00:13] <OvenWerks>  /lib/udev/rules.d/40-timer-permissions.rules Allows user with audio to set grain on rtc0 and hpet. I think I have heard that "properly" coded applications don't need it... but there are bound to be some that still do.
[00:14] <OvenWerks> This last one needs to be remembered if jackd starts getting RT permisions some other way than the audio group.
[00:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: instead of a new package, the first one should really be a part of the lowatency kernel... but that would probably mean we would have to maintain it :P
[00:17] <OvenWerks> The other two could be part of -audio-core
[00:19] <OvenWerks> Though to be honest, I would like to see swappiness = 10 upstreamed as default for generic as well because any feed back I have gotten has been this is good for all desktop work.
[00:40] <OvenWerks> However the truth is I probably don't know enough about what I am talking about.
[00:46] <OvenWerks> Thereason swappiness matters in audio is a little more complex. Many audio applications lock memory so it can't be swapped and are not a problem. However, some programs that don't do audio themselves, but still have jack ports open for monitoring and config reasons don't (qjackctl for example). If the GUI of these programs gets swapped and a button is clicked, that jack port gets frozen long enough to cause audible xruns. In my opinion this is re
[00:49] <OvenWerks> It seems I found even the pager being swapped out caused problems if I needed to switch from workspace to another.
[00:55] <OvenWerks> zequence: Actually, those three files could be moved to -controls itself if we load it by default.
[01:23] <OvenWerks> zequence: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/plain/Documentation/scheduler/sched-deadline.txt?id=712e5e34aef449ab680b35c0d9016f59b0a4494c
[01:24] <OvenWerks> ^^^ this is new since kernel 3.14. Can we use this to improve lowlatency?
[01:33] <OvenWerks> swappiness==0 is handled in a unique way from all other values: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8582cb96b0bfd6891766d8c30d759bf21aad3b4d
[06:24] <OvenWerks> Is there a reason we do not include jack.tools?
[08:30] <zequence> OvenWerks: We can worry about uploads later, once we get going with this cycle development. I'm trying to get upload rights, so hoping that will sort itself out within the week or so
[08:30] <zequence> You bring up a lot of things there. Let me get started, and I'll comment later
[13:02] <OvenWerks> zequence_: no problem, I am not rushing anything, just doing some research. From reading though some things, I would say there is zero chance of changing swappiness by default upstream. It has already been discussed to death upstream and not changed.
[13:10] <zequence_> OvenWerks: only a matter of time until rt privilege is solved http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Cgroups
[13:12] <zequence> But still, until it is fixed, we should make rt administration easy. On trusty, specifically
[13:13] <zequence> We do a SRU to make -controls at all usable on trusty. A more enhanced version, we either backport or do a SRU - depending on if we are allowed to SRU, or not
[13:13] <zequence> By the time of 16.04 I would assume things have changed
[13:14] <zequence> ..so we can drop realtime privilege administration


 Can you send me the patches, etc that we use to build? It looks like the last time we updated the branches (https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-development/issues/1) was for cosmic.
[22:10] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 1 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-development "Make Xubuntu Core an official download option" [Open]
[23:07] <Montresor> Uhhh...patches?


[04:35] <Semitones> hey there. would anybody like to doublecheck the changes I made to the wiki?
[04:35] <Semitones> I added this section: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#For Grub Legacy
[08:36] <mistrynitesh> anybody had a look at the DocTeam wiki page?
[08:37] <mistrynitesh> it looks vandalised
[08:49] <mistrynitesh> reverted back to revision 52


[10:30] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[13:32] <pleia2> good morning!
[13:33] <pleia2> so, the VM that we run our website on runs on 32-bit x86 binaries instead of 64-bit and Ubuntu proper has stopped supporting it, so our best path forward is doing a reinstall
[13:34] <pleia2> it's not trivial since nothing is automated on this system /o\ but I hope to do this next week


[17:24] <SomeJuan> nacc: nslookup notty returns: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23360437/
[17:24] <mikk94> ioria: wow, looks like it haven't been installed, the first command just worked
[17:24] <SomeJuan> which is the ip address it pings
[17:24] <SomeJuan> wonder how it got setup this way
[17:24] <SomeJuan> or configured in the first place
[17:24] <mikk94> ohh
[17:24] <ioria> mikk94,  ok
[17:24] <vaesper> and "verify with shaX hash" is no solution when those are also downloaded over http :/
[17:24] <mikk94> it sayys this kernel does not support a non-PAE CPU
[17:25] <mikk94> dpkg returned error code(1)
[17:25] <mikk94> grep /proc/cpuinfo failed before that
[17:26] <mikk94> looks like it didn't find /proc/ under chroot while installing
[17:27] <ouroumov_> vaesper, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/how-to-verify
[17:27] <mikk94> should I link /proc somehow before chrooting?
[17:28] <ioria> mikk94,  what cpu do you have ?
[17:29] <ioria> mikk94,  or maybe you haven't bind mount the fs
[17:29] <nacc> vaesper: aiui, https is a red herring here; use gpg to verify the image(s)
[17:29] <mikk94> ioria: i5-2500 x4, standard intel i5 cpu
[17:29] <mikk94> i just did "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/system"
[17:29] <mikk94> and copied resolv.conf into to get the network running
[17:30] <ioria> mikk94, nope
[17:30] <mikk94> did i do something wrong?
[17:31] <ioria> mikk94, you need (as i said ) to bind mount the critical fs : for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[17:31] <mikk94> ioria: oh wow, i missed that point
[17:31] <ioria> mikk94,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[17:32] <nacc> SomeJuan: odd, you could check /etc/hosts to see if it's there
[17:32] <ioria> mikk94,  and not /mnt/system,  just /mnt
[17:33] <ioria> mikk94,  all that, before chroot
[17:34] <vaesper> ouroumov_: nacc: I see, thanks. ubuntu gnome instructions are very bad (tm) though
[17:35] <vaesper> they advise to compare md5sum
[17:35] <vaesper> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME)
[17:36] <SomeJuan> nacc, not there but i added <IP_ADDRESS> notty just as a precaution
[17:36] <SomeJuan> and i feel safer now
[17:37] <SomeJuan> but still wondering why i had some weird dns configuration in the first place to an external ip address
[17:37] <nacc> SomeJuan: that doesn't seem any better; notty shouldn't resolve to a host
[17:37] <SomeJuan> yeah, i know
[17:37] <SomeJuan> is there a way I can remove or find out where it is configured?
[17:37] <mikk94> ioria: all right, I juse installed it.. /lib/modules/4.4.0-45-generic appeared with a full structure tree inside
[17:38] <mikk94> ioria: is there anything else I better check before rebooting?
[17:38] <ioria> mikk94,  still in chroot ?
[17:38] <nacc> SomeJuan: not sure, are you running a local nameserver?
[17:38] <mikk94> ioria: yyes
[17:38] <ioria> mikk94,   paste sudo update-grub
[17:38] <mikk94> ioria: done. it just found new kernel ...-45
[17:39] <ioria> mikk94,   ok, as you wish, exit
[17:39] <mikk94> okay.. i'll try to boot into system now..
[17:44] <Guest11089> guys, I need some help with playonlinux, there used to be gallium nine available but I can't see it anymore
[17:47] <nubb3> I can't reach ubuntu.com, anyone else?
[17:48] <jatt> works
[17:50] <SomeJuan> nacc, not to my knowledge but i did find out i have an entry in my /etc/resolv.conf that points to <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:51] <nubb3> jatt: thank, it's a bit erratic for me.
[17:51] <jatt> nubb3: what does
[17:51] <jatt> nslookup ubuntu.com
[17:51] <jatt> say?
[17:51] <jatt> !pastebin | nubb3
[17:55] <nubb3> might be temp, seems fine now
[17:55] <nubb3> update didn't reach any server
[17:55] <akik> nubb3: there's a ddos attack going on against a dns hoster
[17:55] <nubb3> and I didn't reach webserver
[17:56] <akik> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12759697
[17:56] <nubb3> might be that since it complained dns resolve but not for acouple of other sites
[17:56] <akik> but exceptionally ubuntu.com loads up here
[17:56] <kodur_k> please help me with with this
[17:56] <kodur_k> Regenerating fonts cache... failed error
[17:56] <kodur_k> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23360553/
[17:56] <mure_> is there a command for getting the total space left on my computer?
[17:57] <ppf> mure_: df -j
[17:57] <ppf> df -h
[17:57] <mure_> ok
[17:57] <mure_> thx ppf!
[17:58] <ppf> kodur_k: See /var/log/fontconfig.log for more information.
[17:59] <kodur_k> ppf it says (Bus Error) Core dumped
[18:01] <ppf> kodur_k: hm, not good
[18:01] <ppf> run sudo dpkg --configure fontconfig in the terminal
[18:01] <ppf> kodur_k: what command did you run to get the output in your paste, btw?
[18:01] <dcz> hello , do you guys have any thesis idea ?
[18:02] <k1l_> dcz: better ask that in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:02] <kodur_k> ppf some of the packages were to be installed, so i ran "sudo apt-get -f install"
[18:02] <ppf> oaky
[18:03] <kodur_k> and after running the command you told, its still showing the same
[18:05] <ppf> kodur_k: what is showing the same?
[18:06] <kodur_k> ppf means the same error which i had posted in the pastebin link
[18:06] <ppf> kodur_k: which command is producing that
[18:06] <ppf> dpkg?
[18:06] <kodur_k> sudo dpkg --configure fontconfig
[18:07] <ppf> okay
[18:07] <ppf> please run sudo dpkg -D200 --configure fontconfig | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:13] <kegan_> how can I disable the CUPS service
[18:15] <copec> Is there a special place to get the igb.ko for linux-image-3.13.0-100-generic
[18:17] <MonkeyDust> !find igb.ko
[18:17] <kegan_> systemctl stop cups.service ok?
[18:17] <MonkeyDust> copec  what's the oupit of    cat /etc/issue
[18:17] <copec> (I have servers on 14.04 still)
[18:17] <kegan_> it'll just restart...
[18:17] <MonkeyDust> output*
[18:17] <copec> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS \n \l
[18:18] <MonkeyDust> !find igb.ko trusty
[18:18] <copec> ah, why only lowlatency?
[18:19] <EriC^>  it says and 280 others
[18:19] <copec> oh, duh
[18:19] <copec> sorry
[18:19] <rthornton> I am now being affected by this bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/msttcorefonts/+bug/1437764
[18:20] <mure_> how do you guys lower the brightness on 14.04?
[18:20] <mure_> any software I can use?
[18:20] <rthornton> so I cant seem to uninstall nor repair apt-get
[18:20] <younder> mure_,  no
[18:21] <younder> mure_,  such an unusual request. You can change the theme thogh and use one a bit darker
[18:21] <mure_> younder, I ment, screen brightness
[18:21] <EriC^> mure_: there's xbacklight
[18:22] <mure_> ok
[18:22] <kodur_k> ppf figured it out with your help, i saw that there was a problem with a file, it was I/O error in that, so my fontconfig was crashing, but the core shouldn't be dumped, that can be exploited, i have reported that issue and hope they fix it at the earliest. Thankyou for your help
[18:23] <copec> thanks Eric^, it was me being dumb, I missed the linux-image-extra package
[18:23] <ioria> mure_, i use this, it'a simple python script https://github.com/lordamit/Brightness
[18:24] <mure_> I don't have python installed but thanks
[18:24] <mure_> I'm going to use xbacklight
[18:24] <EriC^> copec: np, no worries
[18:24] <Pici> mure_: fyi: Ubuntu comes with python installed.
[18:24] <SomeJuan> nacc, i figured it out
[18:24] <ioria> mure_,  you have it, trust me
[18:24] <SomeJuan> nacc, this is what was happening
[18:24] <mure_> oh
[18:24] <SomeJuan> nacc, https://hackercodex.com/guide/how-to-stop-isp-dns-server-hijacking/
[18:24] <mure_> I like how it comes with python but not java nor headers for opengl
[18:24] <mure_> good job ...
[18:25] <SomeJuan> nacc, thanks for responding earlier
[18:25] <ioria> mure_,  maybe you need git to clone the src
[18:25] <mure_> I got that
[18:25] <ioria> ok
[18:25] <Pici> mure_: Python is used to run many of the applications that come with a default install. Those other things don't power anything by default.
[18:25] <ioria> mure_,  but  python-wxgtk2.8 is big, warned
[18:25] <mure_> ok, it makes sens
[18:27] <kegan_> i want to disable cups for good
[18:27] <kegan_> how might i do that without using mask
[18:28] <ioria> sudo systemctl stop cups   sudo syetmctl disable cups
[18:28] <kegan_> ioria: thank you
[18:28] <marcofe> hello all
[18:28] <kegan_> hi friend
[18:39] <danm> Hi, is there a control panel for OpenJDK?
[18:39] <danm> the equivalent of Java Control Panel from Oracle
[18:40] <ioria> policy tool, you mean
[18:43] <abaco> la pazza gioia
[18:43] <uebera||> Hi! Anyone using /usr/share/checksecurity/check-diskfree in conjunction with the new canonical-livepatch service? Since the latter creates two loop mounts ("100% full"), the former always sends out a warning which is... annoying.
[18:49] <satseven> Hello
[18:49] <satseven> hey
[18:50] <ioria> danm, jconsole
[18:50] <danm> ioria: thanks!
[18:50] <ioria> danm, np
[18:51] <danm> ioria: And Oracle Mission Control?
[18:51] <ioria> no idea
[18:51] <ioria> ControlPanel ?
[18:54] <neminis> i did something funny on my ubuntu
[18:54] <neminis> i created a "~/dev" folder
[18:54] <neminis> and it started being filled with various things that should go to /dev
[18:56] <neminis> is that even normal? are most programs confused by users like that?
[18:57] <kevdog> I'm getting this error: error: cannot install "canonical-livepatch": snap not found
[18:57] <k1l_> kevdog: what ubuntu are you on?
[18:57] <kevdog> 16.04
[18:58] <kevdog> Has the package been removed
[18:58] <k1l_> is you system updated?
[18:58] <kevdog> Yes but the us servers are really really slow
[18:58] <kevdog> or maybe its just me
[18:58] <zumba_addict> does ubuntu have patch for dirty cow kernel exploit?
[18:59] <k1l_> zumba_addict: its already shipped
[18:59] <zumba_addict> so all we have to do is do an update?
[18:59] <k1l_> zumba_addict: yes
[18:59] <zumba_addict> ok
[19:00] <k1l_> kevdog: "snap find canonical-livepatch"
[19:00] <v7> Wow
[19:00] <zumba_addict> i'll verify our kernel version and would like to know which kernel version has the patches
[19:00] <v7> http://thehackernews.com/2016/10/dyn-dns-ddos.html
[19:00] <v7> Do you have access to twitter ?
[19:00] <zumba_addict> this is currently ours - 4.7.5-200.fc24.x86_64
[19:01] <k1l_> !ot | v7
[19:01] <v7> Sorry k1l_
[19:01] <k1l_> zumba_addict: that is not a ubuntu kernel
[19:01] <zumba_addict> oh
[19:01] <k1l_> zumba_addict: actually, you are running fedora. so that is a totally wrong channel
[19:01] <kevdog> I did the "snap find canonical-livepatch" but its not listed
[19:02] <zumba_addict> oh i'm sorry
[19:02] <k1l_> kevdog: its listed for me
[19:02] <zumba_addict> i thought we were using ubuntu
[19:02] <zumba_addict> thank you
[19:02] <k1l_> zumba_addict: "cat /etc/issue"
[19:02] <kevdog> Ok -- so how do I get an updated list?
[19:02] <zumba_addict> i did, no mention of fedora
[19:02] <zumba_addict> they cleaned up the banner
[19:02] <zumba_addict> this is the only output - Kernel \r on an \m (\l)
[19:04] <satseven> Hello all
[19:04] <k1l_> zumba_addict: than its not an ubuntu. but from the kernel i see its a fedora. so #fedora might help you
[19:04] <satseven> ¿how i can see full list of names in server?
[19:05] <MonkeyDust> satseven  list of what names?
[19:05] <k1l_> kevdog: "apt-cache policy snapd | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the url here please
[19:06] <kevdog> http://termbin.com/auie
[19:07] <k1l_> kevdog: uh, you got proposed active. that is not meant for users. that is for automated testing and developers.
[19:07] <k1l_> kevdog: and you are on 32bit OS. livepatch is for 64bit only
[19:08] <k1l_> kevdog: and if your CPU is 64bit, dont run 32bit OS
[19:08] <kevdog> Sorry to bother you -- yes I am on 32 bit OS -- shoot
[19:08] <kevdog> No my CPU is 32 bit -- its 10 years old
[19:08] <kevdog> @k11_: Thanks for your help
[19:08] <satseven> ¿how i can see full list of names in server?
[19:08] <k1l_> then you need to run regular updates and reboot
[19:09] <k1l_> satseven: what names?
[19:09] <satseven> full list of users are in server #ubuntu
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> satseven  type    who
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> satseven  also, type     w
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> satseven  oh, in the #ubuntu channel? type    /names
[19:11] <satseven> thanks mate, its my first day at Linux
[19:11] <codfection> hello
[19:12] <satseven> Hello codfection
[19:12] <codfection> hello ubuntu, I cant set my browser as chrome for default
[19:12] <codfection> xdg-mime query default text/html shows me google-chrome but it opens chromium :(
[19:13] <satseven> I can't help you Codefection, sorry. Im newee
[19:13] <codfection> Hi satseven
[19:13] <codfection> np
[19:14] <codfection> any pros here?
[19:14] <MonkeyDust> codfection  gedit  ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
[19:14] <MonkeyDust> codfection  find html on that page
[19:14] <for{}> guyz, i installed a special tar in /usr/local/bin/
[19:14] <for{}> after, i was unable to install tzdata
[19:14] <ikonia> a special tar ?
[19:15] <ikonia> install tzdata ??? what
[19:15] <satseven> special tar?
[19:15] <for{}> there are absolute paths, you know?
[19:15] <k1l_> for{}: so you messed with your system and ruined the package manager?
[19:15] <codfection> MonkeyDust: it shows google-chrome in html as well
[19:15] <for{}> no, i removed the special tar, and it worked
[19:15] <ikonia> for{}: what is a "special" tar ?
[19:16] <for{}> not /bin/tar
[19:16] <ikonia> ?
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> codfection  comment that line, put a # in the beginning
[19:16] <codfection> ok
[19:16] <for{}> i dont understand why arent absolute paths used
[19:16] <codfection> done
[19:16] <ikonia> what are you talking about ?? for{}
[19:17] <for{}> tzdata
[19:17] <ikonia> special tar ? absolute paths ??
[19:17] <jurgenaj> test
[19:17] <ikonia> what about tzdata ? what has that got to do with tar ?
[19:17] <satseven> I want to know all about Linux, how I can start?
[19:17] <for{}> read what i already wrote
[19:17] <MonkeyDust> codfection  save, close and try to set what you want
[19:17] <codfection> MonkeyDust: only html or others also?
[19:17] <ikonia> for{}: I have, it doesn't make any sense, hence my confusion
[19:17] <mure_> Do you guys know here is the xinit file on xfce4?
[19:17] <ikonia> satseven: pick a distribution and read about it
[19:17] <for{}> not my fault, ikonia
[19:17] <nacc> ikonia: i think what for{} is saying is they put a custom 'tar' in /usr/local/bin and then ran apt (which probably uses tar) and it used the /usr/local/bin/ one instead of /bin/tar
[19:17] <nacc> ikonia: guessing here
[19:17] <for{}> wow, nacc, exactly
[19:17] <ikonia> apt doesn't use tar though
[19:18] <k1l_> ikonia: he installed an own tar (program) and then the system didnt work on package install (which uses tar)
[19:18] <ikonia> ahhh the pre/post scripts
[19:18] <nacc> for{}: do you see how that is *much* clearer than what you wrote, though?
[19:18] <codfection> MonkeyDust: set using xorg set right?
[19:18] <mure_> where*
[19:18] <MonkeyDust> codfection  set the default browser
[19:18] <for{}> soooooo? why arent absolute paths used?
[19:18] <ikonia> so just change $PATH or remove the "special" tar version from /usr/local/bin
[19:18] <ikonia> job done
[19:18] <MonkeyDust> codfection  in your system settings
[19:18] <ikonia> for{}: used where ?
[19:18] <nacc> for{}: in any case, if absolute paths were used, then if something was subtly broken or whatever, you would have no way to use your system
[19:18] <for{}> in the world, ikonia
[19:18] <ikonia> for{}: sometimes they are
[19:18] <nacc> for{}: because that's what PATH is for in *nix
[19:19] <for{}> yeah, i feel a sour taste in my mouth
[19:19] <ikonia> what ///
[19:19] <ikonia> " a sour taste ?"
[19:19] <ikonia> what are you talking about ?
[19:19] <for{}> its like u complain bash doesnt work and someone recommends using zsh
[19:20] <nacc> for{}: it's not at all what anyone is saying
[19:20] <ikonia> no-one has said anything of the sort
[19:20] <satseven> ikonia: where I can find it?
[19:20] <ikonia> for{}: lets stop this, do you have an ubuntu question, if so, state it clearly, if not, it's not for this channel
[19:20] <ikonia> satseven: find what sorry
[19:20] <nacc> for{}: you placed a binary in $PATH that you shouldn't have
[19:20] <satseven> ikonia:
[19:20] <satseven> sorry misslick
[19:20] <codfection> MonkeyDust: nope, its still opening chromium
[19:20] <for{}> nacc, but why wasnt i noticed?
[19:21] <xock_stream> Hi
[19:21] <nacc> for{}: what?
[19:21] <ioria> mure_, on 14.04 is a package xinit and is in /usr/bin/xinit
[19:21] <satseven> ikonia: thing to read about Linux code programing. I want to learn about it
[19:21] <xock_stream> What is that command do? ' sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com E9EB04D3
[19:21] <xock_stream>  '
[19:21] <ikonia> satseven: pick a linux distribution, and read their documentation
[19:21] <MonkeyDust> codfection  logout/in and try again ... else, i'm out of ideas
[19:21] <nacc> xock_stream: you might want to read `man apt-key`
[19:21] <for{}> i use zsh though, but not because bash doesnt work
[19:21] <ikonia> for{}: stop - no more discussion please
[19:21] <ikonia> for{}: if you have an ubuntu question ask, if you don't please stop talking
[19:21] <for{}> ikonia, i exposed my problem
[19:21] <ikonia> for{}: yes, and you where told how to fix it
[19:21] <codfection> ok
[19:22] <for{}> u kept repeating: "what? what?"
[19:22] <ikonia> for{}: fix your PATH, or remove the wrong tar version
[19:22] <k1l_> xock_stream: it loads the gpg key from the server and make it trust that key. so all packages signed with that key are trusted and installed on your system without asking
[19:22] <for{}> wow, no more "what?"
[19:22] <codfection> nacc: k1l_ do you know how to set chrome as default browser when I click on links it opens with chromium instead
[19:22] <for{}> the problem is i had to google to find out tar is the problem
[19:22] <ikonia> you've been told the fix, enough now
[19:22] <k1l_> codfection: depends on the desktop in use and what program you use for clicking on links
[19:23] <for{}> ikonia, the fix was on google, not here
[19:23] <ikonia> then there is no need for more discussion
[19:23] <ikonia> you have the fix, great,
[19:23] <for{}> you're free to stop
[19:23] <codfection> k1l_: i3 ubuntu 16.04
[19:23] <satseven> ikonia: with distribution of linux u mean "book of linux"? Excuse me, Im from spain
[19:23] <mure_> ioria, I found the file but inside of it it's only rubish
[19:23] <ikonia> satseven: no problem, visit ubuntu.com (for example) to read about the ubuntu linux distribution
[19:23] <ikonia> satseven: be aware there are other linux distributions
[19:23] <xock_stream> Thanks k1l_, nacc
[19:24] <k1l_> codfection: uh i3. look at what that desktop is using. like the xdg lists or not.
[19:24] <satseven> ikonia: thanks mate, i really apreciate that
[19:24] <ioria> mure_, cause it's a binary
[19:24] <ioria> mure_,  file /usr/bin/xinit
[19:24] <mure_> oh,yeah, it makes sens then
[19:24] <ioria> mure_,  maybe you're looking for startx
[19:24] <codfection> k1l_: xdg shows chrome as default
[19:24] <codfection> xdg-mime query default text/html google-chrome.desktop. k1l_
[19:25] <mure_> I'm looking for the script that causes apps to start when I boot, ioria
[19:25] <xock_stream> oh man i cant install hopperapp it says 403 forbidden
[19:25] <ioria> mure_,  details, please
[19:25] <MarGul> Hey. I'm using sudo adduser --home /customers/test --shell /sbin/nologin --no-create-home --gecos "" brun to try and create a user to login via vsFTPd. I get login failed with this but when Ihave --shell /bin/bash it works. Is it secure to have /bin/bash? That way they can SSH as well right? Just want FTP access
[19:25] <mure_> what I'm trying to do is auto start conky at boot
[19:25] <mure_> ioria,
[19:26] <xock_stream> I don't understand how to install it
[19:26] <satseven> You guys know about, at Ubuntu v16.04 recomend Firefox / Chromium / or other ones?
[19:26] <OerHeks> mure_, conky @ boot is useless, you need to login to the display manager anyway. conky @ login is easy, add to startup applications
[19:26] <ioria> mure_,  what is conky  ? a panel ?
[19:27] <mure_> ioria: an app which displays different stats about my pc
[19:27] <mure_> OerHeks, that's what I'd want to do
[19:27] <mure_> but I don't know where the file responsable for that is
[19:28] <mure_> I forgot
[19:28] <OerHeks> mure_, useless @ boot.
[19:28] <nacc> xock_stream: how is getting a 403 from a website an ubuntu issue?
[19:28] <ioria> MarGul, http://linux-tips.com/t/users-with-bin-false-shell-to-login-on-vsftpd/200
[19:28] <xock_stream> sorry...
[19:29] <nacc> xock_stream: and i already told you how to install it, if you wanted to, but it's not supported here anyways
[19:29] <xock_stream> Can anyone try to install hopper disassembler?
[19:29] <nacc> xock_stream: what did you try?
[19:29] <xock_stream> nacc: can you tell me again how to install it?
[19:29] <nacc> xock_stream: use gdebi or the gui software centre
[19:29] <OerHeks> mure_, add to startup applicatione ( that starts when you login)
[19:29] <satseven> firefox or chromium for ubuntu?
[19:29] <xock_stream> I add the repo on /etc/apt/sources.list and import hopper gpg key and updating package database and install it and it gives ms error 403
[19:30] <xock_stream> from updating repository
[19:30] <nacc> satseven: a matter of choice and opinion, not a support topic
[19:30] <OerHeks> satseven, you can install both
[19:30] <nacc> xock_stream: what repository?
[19:30] <xock_stream> the apt-get update
[19:30] <ioria> MarGul, To enable users with no valid shell to login the ftp server, commenting out this line in /etc/pam.d/vsftpd file will be sufficient.  ... but never tried
[19:30] <xock_stream> that's repository
[19:30] <satseven> nacc: im new, im only asking, if i can't or if is forbiden just alert me. SOrry
[19:31] <xock_stream> Updating the package lists*
[19:31] <MarGul> ioria, Thanks. I will try this out.
[19:31] <nacc> xock_stream: i have very little patience for this. 'the apt-get update' is *not* a repository
[19:31] <nacc> xock_stream: if you don't want to divulge what exactly you are doing, then pleease don't ask for help
[19:31] <nacc> xock_stream: otherwise, use a pastebin and provide the exact steps
[19:31] <ioria> MarGul, maybe going to vsftp website ...
[19:31] <nacc> !ot | satseven: no problem, just follow this:
[19:31] <xock_stream> I am tell what I do
[19:31] <xock_stream> telling*
[19:32] <nacc> !who | xock_stream
[19:32] <MarGul> ioria, Been there and all over Google for the whole day almost witout getting it :/
[19:32] <MarGul> Missed the link you sent though. Will try that.
[19:32] <ioria> MarGul, also http://www.linuxexpert.ro/Linux-Tutorials/setup-vsftp-with-no-shell-access.html
[19:33] <ioria> MarGul, but it's old
[19:33] <xock_stream> nacc: "if you don't want to divulge what exactly you are doing, then pleease don't ask for help" I am saying what I am doing.  https://www.hopperapp.com/install_linux.html on step 3 i get error 403 (Failed to fetch)
[19:33] <Cuukey> sup
[19:34] <Cuukey> alright whos ddosing the us today?
[19:34] <Cuukey> lol
[19:34] <nacc> xock_stream: ok, so for the first time you've actually pointed at steps. I'm not a mind reader, so have *no idea* what you're doing until you provided that link
[19:34] <nacc> !pm | xock_stream
[19:35] <OerHeks> xock_stream,  here too, error 403, so no go for hopper
[19:35] <OerHeks> xock_stream, ask them ( hopper support) how about it
[19:35] <nacc> xock_stream: you should ask hopper why they don't let you have access to their documented repository
[19:35] <nacc> xock_stream: not an ubuntu problem; in the meanwhile, you could probably just download the .deb
[19:36] <OerHeks> xock_stream, did you pay first?
[19:36] <OerHeks> lolz
[19:36] <ioria> MarGul, alternative deny ssh for some users http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/openssh-deny-or-restrict-access-to-users-and-groups.html
[19:36] <xock_stream> No
[19:36] <xock_stream> It's free I suppose
[19:36] <xock_stream> OerHeks:
[19:36] <OerHeks> xock_stream, no, it is not.
[19:36] <OerHeks> end support
[19:37] <xock_stream> So that's why it's not working for me?
[19:37] <xock_stream> OerHeks:
[19:37] <OerHeks> xock_stream, it is paid, so i get no money. no support here.
[19:38] <nacc> xock_stream: none of this is an ubuntu issue, please talk to hopper about the problems you are having
[19:40] <quantibility> ok
[19:40] <quantibility> im having an issue with Print screen
[19:40] <quantibility> can anyone help?
[19:40] <ShayBox> whats wrong?
[19:41] <ShayBox> image not uploading?
[19:41] <quantibility> I print screen the usual "save dialog" comes up but the moment i hit save.. it freezes.. have to use Xkill
[19:41] <quantibility> i can save to clip board, open image editor and paste then save but
[19:41] <ShayBox> hmm, idk about that... what program do you use
[19:41] <quantibility> xubuntu
[19:41] <MarGul> ioria, When I added /bin/bash to /etc/shells it works. And if I try to SSH with that user it just instantly closes the terminal. Is this correct because I don't have a shell?
[19:42] <ShayBox> thats the program you use? or the OS you use...
[19:42] <quantibility> I never really tried regular print screen but i have two monitors
[19:42] <ioria> MarGul,  i guess so
[19:42] <quantibility> OS, what ever it uses for print screen
[19:42] <quantibility> hmm
[19:42] <quantibility> let me try just print screen with ALT
[19:42] <ShayBox> what website does it normally upload the images to?
[19:42] <pavlos> quantibility, I just clicked PrintScn, it saved a screenshot in Pictures, ubuntu16.04
[19:42] <ioria> MarGul,  sorry, you added /bin/bash
[19:43] <OerHeks> orntscreen saves locally
[19:43] <quantibility> nope still stalls
[19:43] <OerHeks> printscreen*
[19:43] <quantibility> Shay no websites just local
[19:43] <MarGul> ioria, Sorry /bin/false
[19:43] <quantibility> Printscreen yes
[19:43] <ioria> MarGul,   ah, OK
[19:44] <xafarderr> Warnings over Dirty Cow Linux bug
[19:44] <quantibility> pavlos YES i know it does that but it hasn't been going through with saving anything
[19:44] <ShayBox> oh thats just you then, i'm trying to find problems with people that are a result of the mass ddos going on to Dyn
[19:44] <OerHeks> xafarderr, if you update, it is fixed
[19:44] <xafarderr> ok
[19:44] <xafarderr> but if i don't update?
[19:44] <quantibility> I hit printscreen, then it brings up the "Save DIALOG" and as soon as i hit ok, it stall out
[19:44] <xafarderr> i have ubuntu 10.04
[19:44] <OerHeks> xafarderr, why do you ask? trolling ?
[19:45] <quantibility> i have to use XKILL to remove it
[19:45] <xafarderr> no
[19:45] <xafarderr> can't update
[19:45] <OerHeks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2016/CVE-2016-5195.html
[19:45] <nacc> xafarderr: 10.04 is eol
[19:45] <nacc> xafarderr: you should not be using it any longer
[19:45] <quantibility> can anyone help me please?
[19:45] <quantibility> i think i know what the issue is but anyone have a a check list?
[19:45] <OerHeks> xafarderr, so you are on an old ubuntu version that is no longer supported.
[19:45] <ioria> quantibility, man scrot
[19:46] <quantibility> ?? no manual entery for scrot
[19:46] <ThePhoenix47> quantibility: Error: There is no command "no manual entery for scrot".
[19:46] <xafarderr> but I don't want to change it, is it seriously vulnerable?
[19:46] <quantibility> yeah i just figured that out
[19:46] <ioria> !info scrot
[19:46] <OerHeks> ?? google
[19:46] <ThePhoenix47> OerHeks: Error: There is no command "google".
[19:47] <OerHeks> ThePhoenix47, you are a bot, not allowed in this channel.
[19:47] <OerHeks> ?? quit
[19:47] <ThePhoenix47> OerHeks: (quit [<text>]) -- Exits the bot with the QUIT message <text>. If <text> is not given, the default quit message (supybot.plugins.Owner.quitMsg) will be used. If there is no default quitMsg set, your nick will be used. The standard substitutions ($version, $nick, etc.) are all handled appropriately.
[19:47] <ioria> lol
[19:47] <ShayBox> ?? quit now
[19:47] <ThePhoenix47> ShayBox: Error: There is no command "quit now".
[19:47] <xafarderr> to get  a "virus" on Linux you must be a fool
[19:47] <ShayBox> quit now
[19:47] <ioria> i hate bots
[19:47] <OerHeks> xafarderr, nice rant, upgrade your ubuntu and come back
[19:48] <ShayBox> maybe it closed?
[19:48] <MonkeyDust> ioria  not fembots, i take it
[19:48] <ioria> !gender
[19:48] <quantibility> i don't want scrot i haven't a problem with screen capture before
[19:48] <quantibility> untill recently
[19:48] <ioria> MonkeyDust, they are welcome
[19:48] <OerHeks> quantibility, can you save anything in your home folder?
[19:48] <OerHeks> to check if your system is mounted read-only
[19:49] <quantibility> OerHeks, define save anything?? yes i can save, however i don't quite understand how you mean
[19:49] <catbadger> I broke jack. help
[19:49] <quantibility> ugh this is why i just want to do a fresh install
[19:49] <quantibility> but ive built so much into this system
[19:50] <ioria> quantibility,  using unity ?
[19:50] <quantibility> unity?
[19:50] <quantibility> what is unity?
[19:50] <ioria> quantibility,   what DE ?
[19:50] <ShayBox> Jordan_U, xubuntu
[19:50] <quantibility> i got xfce4
[19:50] <OerHeks> quantibility, you say that saving a screenshot brings your system down, so checking if you can save something  will help find out what is going on
[19:50] <quantibility> no it doesn't Bring my system down
[19:51] <quantibility> the Dialog that comes up gets stalled
[19:51] <OerHeks> stalled, so you cannot do anything else but using XKIL
[19:51] <ioria> !info xfce4-screenshooter-plugin
[19:51] <quantibility> it won't go any further but the dialog when i press the ok button from there
[19:51] <quantibility> YES i can save something
[19:52] <OerHeks> oke, so your system is not mounted read-only ( for some reason), 1 thing ruled out
[19:53] <nichola> Sausages for tea!
[19:53] <johnzorn> Is setting up postfix as a relayhost for a gmail account the easiest way of setting up a system that allows scripts to send me email?
[19:53] <nichola> Danny, if youre on here your tea is ready!!! (mum)
[19:55] <quantibility> is there any way to do a fresh install without removing all the programs i have aquired, i don't care about personal settings just want ot do a fresh install without removing all the programs i have gotten over the past year or so?
[19:56] <ThePhoenix47> OerHeks, Sorry, I forgot to lobotomize my bot half in here and was gone for a sec.
[19:56] <ThePhoenix47> Should be fixed
[19:57] <quantibility> ??
[19:57] <ThePhoenix47> There, no response.
[19:58] <ThePhoenix47>  ?ping is also a good test trigger. I'm right now going over my channel list (again) and checking if I lobotomized it in every channel where I not explicitly asked before joining...
[19:58] <OerHeks> quantibility, an easy way to reconfigure your system is going into tty2, dpkg --configure -a # this might fix something, not sure as it is not clear what is going wrong
[19:58] <OerHeks> ThePhoenix47, disable now please.
[19:58] <OerHeks> ops do not like bots, just saying
[19:58] <ThePhoenix47> Something like a whitelist would be useful, but then again, I kinda gave up on this thing.
[19:58] <ThePhoenix47> OerHeks, it's disabled for here.
[19:58] <jinxi1> hi, I have a problem
[19:59] <niytro> hello errbody
[19:59] <quantibility> that is not slooking for
[19:59] <quantibility> i asked a question
[19:59] <OerHeks> quantibility, no guarantee that manuall installed apps survive a xubuntu-reinstall
[20:10] <xocket> I have ubuntu-16.04.1 to install or to install the newest?
[20:10] <Bray90820> Can someone help me here I am using ubuntu 16.10 on my surface 3 and every time I use  browser the whole tatbet freezes and i need to hard reboot and also once in a blue moon when I turn it on the internet tries to connect fails and then the screen goes black
[20:11] <xocket> I will just download the latest ..
[20:12] <Bray90820> I tried a usb wifi card and the error isn't present so I think it has something to do with the driver
[20:12] <tomreyn> xocket: can you rephrase your question? since i could not parse it.
[20:13] <xocket> tomreyn, I have ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:13] <nacc> xocket: if you have to ask that question, i would suggest you only use LTS
[20:13] <tomreyn> Bray90820: which type of card?
[20:13] <xocket> ok..
[20:13] <xocket> XD
[20:13] <k1l_> xocket: you mean 16.04.1 or 16.10?
[20:13] <xocket> what i wrote
[20:13] <pavlos> xocket, 16.10 has a life about 9 months, better stay with 16.04 lts
[20:14] <nacc> !pm | xocket
[20:14] <k1l_> xocket: but installing 16.10 means you need to upgrade every 6 months. on 16.04.* you can stay there for 5years since 16.04 release
[20:15] <xocket> My goal is to use arch linux but I see I am noob. What is best road to go so I can use arch linux?
[20:15] <xocket> I am asking the question because Ubuntu is for noobs like me
[20:15] <nacc> xocket: it seems totally incorrect to ask the ubuntu support channel how to use arch linux.
[20:16] <Yuyuyuy123> \/\/ JOIN #wikimedia-ayuda \/\/ -- patrocined by jem
[20:17] <Yener> Hello
[20:18] <Bray90820> tomreyn: Marvell 88W8897
[20:18] <_stump_junkman_> xocket, start with slackware, see how you like that. If you can swing that, then you'll be able to use arch effectively
[20:18] <Yener> Is this main channel?
[20:18] <_stump_junkman_> 'tis
[20:18] <xocket> someone can veriy what _stump_junkman_ said?
[20:19] <Bray90820> Yener: If your asking if it is the main channel for ubuntu support yes it is
[20:19] <Yener> Thank you Bray, its glad to be here
[20:19] <_stump_junkman_> I started with Slackware 9.0 years ago, ran that up through 11.x, switched to Debian. Now running *buntu on my desktop
[20:19] <ikonia> xocket: it's nonsense, but it's also nothing to do with this channel
[20:19] <k1l_> _stump_junkman_: that is offtopic in here
[20:19] <xocket> O_O
[20:19] <xocket> Why the hate? I am just asking a question.
[20:19] <_stump_junkman_> very well
[20:20] <nacc> xocket: there is no hate; you're just offtopic for the ubuntu support channel
[20:20] <nacc> xocket: if you want to learn to use arch, ask the arch folks?
[20:20] <jatt> there is #slackware
[20:20] <xocket> jatt: what is slackware related?
[20:21] <xocket> nacc: I am going to do that. Wish me luck xo)
[20:21] <_stump_junkman_> xocket, just hop over to the arch linux channel and ask around. Or reddit.
[20:21] <Yener> This is my ubuntu running on virtualbox and I have a notebook installed ubuntu only now the thing is I need to communicate with these machine
[20:21] <Yener> how can I configure network adapter for this ?
[20:22] <ikonia> Yener: are they not on a network ?
[20:22] <tomreyn> Bray90820: sudo lspci -knnv | grep -iA15 Marvell
[20:22] <Yener> they are in same network
[20:22] <tomreyn> Bray90820: put this on a pastebin
[20:22] <tomreyn> !pastebin | Bray90820
[20:22] <ikonia> Yener: so you just need to set the virtalbox private network to be routed or nat
[20:23] <Yener> I dont want use host connection
[20:23] <Yener> I want to gather a pure connection for my virtual michine
[20:23] <ikonia> what ?
[20:23] <ikonia> how do you expect a virtual machine to connect to a physical network if the host is not conneted to it
[20:24] <Yener> No
[20:24] <Yener> I expect gather a new ip from dhcp of my switch
[20:24] <dax> Are you talking about bridged mode?
[20:24] <Yener> I cant ping to my notebook pc within her
[20:24] <ikonia> Yener: right, so you need to set the virtualbox network to be routed or nat
[20:24] <Yener> i will try bridge also again give me 1 min
[20:25] <pavlos> Yener, setup VB network adapter as bridge, it will pick up an ip from your dhcp
[20:27] <Bray90820> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23361246/
[20:28] <tomreyn> Bray90820: "Kernel driver in use: mwifiex_pcie" - that's the right driver
[20:29] <tomreyn> update the linux-firmware package
[20:29] <Bray90820> tomreyn: How?
[20:45] <donofrio> so why does Telco DNS work when google's is crushed today...
[20:45] <ppf> donofrio: ongoing ddos
[20:45] <donofrio> right but telco's ok?
[20:46] <k1l_> donofrio: different infrastructure.
[20:46] <donofrio> I had to use tmobile's dns to get school site to work, didn'y with googledns ;(
[20:46] <donofrio> k just made me wonder....cause if this was dns dos should all dns servers have same zone files?
[20:48] <donofrio> I meant "shouldn't"
[20:49] <javier-mate> Buenas
[20:49] <Bray90820> tomreyn: How would I update the linux-firmware package
[20:50] <javier-mate> Hello
[20:53] <teo_> !info vlc
[21:06] <tomreyn> Bray90820: which ubuntu version do you have there?
[21:06] <Bray90820> 16.10 x64
[21:06] <tomreyn> had to leave there, sorry. i'll stick with you now.
[21:07] <tomreyn> dpkg -l linux-firmware
[21:07] <tomreyn> says what?
[21:07] <tomreyn> just the last line
[21:07] <tomreyn> Bray90820: ^
[21:08] <Bray90820> il linux-firmware 1.161 all firmware for linux kernel drivers
[21:09] <tomreyn> Bray90820: okay that's the newest there is in ubuntu. maybe we can find another source with a newer one.
[21:10] <tomreyn> dpkg -L linux-firmware | grep 8897
[21:10] <tomreyn> these should be the firmwares for this device
[21:10] <verticlebert> hey guys i'm curious if there are more places that acpi would house it's scripts other than /etc/acpi/?
[21:10] <tomreyn> Bray90820: i would think /lib/firmware/mrvl/pcie8897_uapsta.bin is the one you may want to upgrade
[21:10] <verticlebert> i'm looking for where the lid lock scripts are but i don't see them under /etc/acpi
[21:11] <Bray90820> Maybe I could use ndiswrapper
[21:11] <Bray90820> tomreyn:
[21:16] <tomreyn> Bray90820: this appears to have updated firmware. but yusing it without knowing what you're doing could brick your hardware, so be careful. http://git.marvell.com/?p=mwifiex-firmware.git;a=tree;f=mrvl;h=6e0abcc70ddb3c19da49eb144d99ddd93d596c68;hb=HEAD
[21:16] <Bray90820> tomreyn: soft or hard brick?
[21:16] <MarGul> Hey. I have created a user with HOME directory of /customers/user1. This user is then used in vsFTPd to log in. Is there a way so that I can ONLY access user1 dir. Now my user can browse up to /customer and he can se /customer/user2 when he connects with FTP
[21:16] <tomreyn> Bray90820: hard, if it doesn't check the firmwar ebefore trying to load it.
[21:17] <tomreyn> this is speaking potentially
[21:17] <tomreyn> Bray90820: a more preserving approach would be to start by reviewing your system logs, and maybe look for errors indicating why it doesn't work
[21:17] <Bray90820> tomreyn: While I have never updated firmware like this I can prob do it without issues
[21:18] <tomreyn> you can grep /var/log/syslog for 8897 and 2b38 and mwifiex
[21:18] <tomreyn> also the output provided by dmesg -T
[21:20] <JustMozzy> hey everyone. does anyone know what cloud-init is?
[21:21] <akik> JustMozzy: you can insert cloud vm configuration with it while provisioning
[21:23] <xsmltx> Hi, in virt-manager, Lubuntu minimal installation as a guest starts directly only in the console(it is normal), normally I have press ctrl+alt+f1 to redirect me to tty1, but the console of the guest doesn't respond to any command. Thank you.
[21:24] <tomreyn> MarGul: you are looking for a chroot configuration
[21:24] <cobracommand> Is it true that ubuntu you have to use sudo but in other linux you don't?
[21:25] <Bray90820> tomreyn: Here are song logs from right after it crashed
[21:25] <Bray90820> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23361543/
[21:25] <k1l_> cobracommand: other distributions do you sudo, too. ubuntu is build to use sudo and doesnt have an enabled root account.
[21:25] <k1l_> !sudo | cobracommand
[21:25] <MarGul> tomreyn, Yes. I have chroot_local_users=YES . But you can still "browse back". I would like it to be for a HOME dir like /customers/user1 that when you log in you get to user1 dir and can't "browse" up to customers
[21:26] <devslash> I upgraded my VirtualBox Ubuntu VM from 16.04 to 16.10 and it won't boot now. I get the error "NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU #0 stuck for 23s! [swapper/0:1] THe kernel is based on 4.8.0-22. If I choose Advanced Options from Grub and Choose Linux 4.4.0-38-generic, it does boot
[21:27] <cobracommand> ubottu yes I know what sudo is what I meant to ask if other linux distros allow you to run admin/superuser commands without typing sudo
[21:28] <k1l_> cobracommand: this is ubuntu support. for other distributions better ask ##linux
[21:28] <tomreyn> MarGul: i'm not sufficiently famiiar with vsftpd to tell you how exactly you can achieve this.
[21:28] <tomreyn> Bray90820: looking at your logs now
[21:29] <devslash> can anyone help me with my issue if Ubuntu not booting
[21:29] <devslash> sudo
[21:29] <MarGul> tomreyn, Np, thanks for trying.
[21:29] <df00z> Hey - is there functioning multiarch llvm in 16.10?  i am having trouble trying to get the libraries installed multiarch
[21:31] <devslash> i dont understand how cannonical can release a super buggy O.S update
[21:31] <Jordan_U> df00z: What are you trying to do specifically, and what problem are you having? (Ideally, please include exact commands and their error messages in your reply).
[21:32] <df00z> Build a git version of mesa, 32 bit, and install to a prefix.
[21:32] <df00z> Give me a few, please
[21:33] <Bray90820> tomreyn: Here is the output of "dmesg -T" the file was to long to paste so I just pasted a few lines before the first error
[21:33] <Bray90820> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23361566/
[21:34] <devslash> can anyone help me figure this out ...
[21:34] <ppf> MarGul: chrooting should do exactly that
[21:34] <devslash> I dont want to upgrade any of my non-VM ubuntu machines unless I know what to do if this happens if I upgrade them to Ubuntu 16.10
[21:35] <MarGul> ppf, That's what I thought. But when I FTP in I come straight into /customers/user1 but I can still see /customers/user2 , /customers/user3 and so on.
[21:35] <df00z> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/jGZdUA8f
[21:35] <ppf> devslash: you need to spill some details
[21:35] <df00z> I dont think those are the correct LLVM_LDFLAGS for 32 bit
[21:35] <ppf> MarGul: restarted the ftp?
[21:35] <devslash> ppf i did scroll up
[21:36] <MarGul> ppf, Yes
[21:36] <df00z> pretty sure it's the output from llvm-config --libs
[21:36] <tomreyn> Bray90820: line 147 of your dmesg output suggests that the device is working fine, and was able to connect to your wireless router
[21:36] <df00z> Sorry, --libdir
[21:37] <devslash> ppf: I upgraded my VirtualBox Ubuntu VM from 16.04 to 16.10 and it won't boot now. I get the error "NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU #0 stuck for 23s! [swapper/0:1] The kernel is based on 4.8.0-22.
[21:37] <MarGul> ppf, I set the home dir for my user to be /customers/user1. So I can see why it's like this. It sets my "root" dir to be /customers
[21:37] <Jordan_U> df00z: You haven
[21:37] <Bray90820> tomreyn: That would be correct but when I run a browser the entire tablet freezes
[21:38] <Jordan_U> df00z: ... haven't said what you're trying to do, or what problem you're having.
[21:38] <tomreyn> Bray90820: okay, but howwould that be related to the wireless?
[21:38] <k1l_> devslash: that is not the latest kernel. make sure to have linux-generic installed and update it
[21:38] <devslash> i cant
[21:38] <df00z> Jordan_U: Trying to build a 32 bit mesa from GIT
[21:38] <ppf> df00z: what precisely is the problem?
[21:38] <devslash> how can i make sure of that if i cant even boot the damn thing
[21:38] <tomreyn> Bray90820: i do see errors about the intel graphics chipset in there
[21:38] <ppf> missing llvm 32bit packages?
[21:38] <devslash> k1l_,  how can i make sure of that if i cant even boot the damn thing
[21:38] <df00z> No, mesa's configure script isnt finding the proper libraries.
[21:38] <df00z> they exist in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[21:38] <ppf> MarGul: you can specify the chroot in vsftpd.conf
[21:39] <Bray90820> tomreyn: I tried a usb wireless card and everything worked fine so thats why I am led to believe it is my wireless card
[21:39] <tomreyn> Bray90820: intel DRM stand for direct (graphics /video) rendering module, not digital right management
[21:39] <df00z> im going to try and reconfigure overriding LLVM_LDFLAGS i guess
[21:40] <Bray90820> tomreyn: What does that mean to me?
[21:40] <k1l_> devslash: is that a vbox install? after first reboot? or what is it?
[21:40] <ppf> df00z: what exactly is the problem?
[21:40] <tomreyn> Bray90820: i understand now. but it's still a bit far fetched. have you enabled the intel microcode stuff on the driver management GUI?
[21:40] <Bray90820> I have not
[21:40] <ppf> df00z: paste the error you're getting, please
[21:40] <Bray90820> I don't even know what that means
[21:40] <df00z> ppf: See pastebin, that _is_ the problem.  I can continue the build. but its going to bomb at the linking stage
[21:40] <ppf> how
[21:40] <JustMozzy> exit
[21:41] <df00z> http://pastebin.com/jGZdUA8f'=
[21:41] <df00z> http://pastebin.com/jGZdUA8f
[21:41] <Jordan_U> df00z: Have you run  "sudo apt-get build-dep mesa"?
[21:41] <devslash> k1l_, i had Ubuntu 16.04 in VB working perfectly. I booted it the other day and it asked me if I wanted to upgrade to 16.10 so I said yes. After it finished it said it had to reboot so I did. It won't boot now with that error that I mentioned
[21:41] <df00z> Jordan: Good idea, let me try that actually
[21:41] <ppf> df00z: i don't see an error there
[21:41] <tomreyn> Bray90820: it's how intel chips updates for cpu firmware. and since the gpu is integrated with the cpu, this may help there, too.
[21:42] <Bray90820> tomreyn: So where should I go from here
[21:42] <ppf> devslash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1530405
[21:42] <tomreyn> Bray90820: enable the microcode, reboot, see if it helps
[21:43] <Bray90820> tomreyn: How
[21:43] <devslash> ppf, i dont understand is there a fix for this ?
[21:44] <ppf> devslash: no, the PR is still open
[21:44] <devslash> what is the cause exactly
[21:44] <ppf> unknown
[21:44] <tomreyn> Bray90820: /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk --open-tab=4
[21:44] <devslash> jeez
[21:44] <k1l_> devslash: could be some settings in your vbox
[21:44] <k1l_> devslash: 16.10 should work in vbox.
[21:44] <devslash> how it worked before
[21:45] <ppf> devslash: read the report
[21:45] <devslash> i didnt change any settings between 16.04 and 16.10
[21:45] <devslash> i did
[21:45] <ppf> people are suggesting various drivers
[21:45] <df00z> There, it bombed.
[21:45] <ppf> but it's not been diagnosed
[21:45] <devslash> how am i supposed to do that when i cant boot it ?!
[21:45] <df00z> http://pastebin.com/mWitnzXK
[21:46] <df00z> *grumbles about multiarch on ubuntu*
[21:46] <ppf> df00z: that's not llvm
[21:46] <ppf> it's pickung up a wrong libexpat
[21:46] <df00z> It was LLVM before, now its this.
[21:47] <df00z> Uh so like
[21:47] <df00z> PKG_CONFIG_PATH is set to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkgconfig
[21:47] <MadLamb> My ubuntu suddently started to return the audio I hear back as a input. Any clue how to solve this?
[21:47] <Bray90820> tomreyn: Oh that I don't think that will work I tried it once before but I will try it again
[21:48] <df00z> pkg-config expat --libs outputs -lexpat
[21:48] <df00z> isnt that wrong?
[21:48] <df00z> pkg-config expat --libs --debug shows Removing -L /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu from libs for expat
[21:48] <df00z> I would expect that to be left in there
[21:49] <tomreyn> Bray90820: up to you. it should not make things worse.
[21:49] <df00z> I guess I could try LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[21:49] <tomreyn> Bray90820: do you have the latest firmware (BIOS update) for the computer installed, too?
[21:49] <Jordan_U> devslash: Many in that bug report have said that upgrading to a newer mainline kernel solved the problem. While it is better to use a newer kernel (mainline) that to use an older kernel (from 16.04) it is still important that if you install a mainline kernel it is your responsibility to make sure that you have a kernel with the latest security patches, for example for CVE-2016-5195 .
[21:50] <tomreyn> Bray90820: in case you do not know: sudo dmidecode -s bios-version && sudo dmidecode -s bios-release-date
[21:50] <devslash> Jordan_U, thanks but at the moment i cant even boot it
[21:50] <Jordan_U> devslash: I thought you said that you could still boot it by selecting the older kernel from the grub menu?
[21:51] <devslash> i thought i could but it doesnt fully boot
[21:51] <ppf> df00z: PKG_CONFIG_PATH32 and PKG_CONFIG_PATH64
[21:51] <devslash> my bad
[21:51] <ppf> df00z: i think you can tell it to look specifically for bittiness
[21:51] <Jordan_U> devslash: First then, grab an Ubuntu 16.10 iso and see if you can boot that in this VM without hitting this bug.
[21:52] <JonelethIrenicus> can anyone give recommendations for a icremental backup offsite for a desktop that is easy to manage?
[21:52] <ppf> df00z: no scratch that, that's a custom thing in my projects
[21:52] <JonelethIrenicus> im talking something cheap for full backups
[21:52] <ppf> it's late ...
[21:53] <atlasloewenherz> good evenning everyone
[21:54] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: how about the backup utility which comes with ubuntu, deja-dup?
[21:54] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: that can't do offsite backups can it?
[21:54] <MarGul> ppf, got it to work now with allow_writeable_chroot=YES
[21:54] <MarGul>  , I've seen that this can be a security issue. Is this true?
[21:55] <atlasloewenherz> i made sure an iscsi session is active, it also creates a block device ( sdh) which i can see via fdisk, i was also able to create a new partition on the /dev/sdh, the partition type is 8e/ Linux LVM but the partition is not visible in Ubuntu am missing something?
[21:55] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: sure it can, using several protocols
[21:55] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: oh yeah ?
[21:56] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: oh yeah! ...including ssh/scp/sftp, ftp, webdav.
[21:57] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: not very good reviews - https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/deja-dup/
[21:58] <df00z> ppf: thanks let me try that
[21:58] <ppf> df00z: no need, i was mistaken
[21:58] <df00z> Oh
[21:59] <Bray90820> tomreyn: Current is march 2015 latest is September 2016
[21:59] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: i'm not aware of other easy to use and well enough done implementations in ubuntu. there are proprietary solutions, though.
[21:59] <ppf> pkg-config is invoked by configure?
[21:59] <ppf> you did export PKG_CONFIG_PATH, right?
[21:59] <tomreyn> Bray90820: upgrade.
[22:00] <tomreyn> there's a good chance this will solve some or all of your issues
[22:00] <df00z> ppf: yeah
[22:00] <Bray90820> tomreyn: ugh not so sure I can without windows :/
[22:01] <df00z> I think Im gonna give up on it
[22:01] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: what are those?
[22:01] <df00z> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxi/+bug/1360342  there are a lot of multiarch issues
[22:01] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: if the data is encrypted before sending i guess it doesn't matter
[22:02] <ppf> df00z: are you sure pkg_config is the thing that's confused?
[22:02] <df00z> Im not 100% sure, no, but dont know what else it could be.
[22:02] <ppf> can you paste the configure output?
[22:02] <tomreyn> Bray90820: can you boot the device off external media?
[22:03] <Bray90820> That's how I got ubuntu installed :)
[22:03] <tomreyn> Bray90820: if so, install either windows or freedos to some external media and boot off it, install firmware upgrade, return to linux.
[22:03] <df00z> ppf: http://pastebin.com/cBRA6ST3
[22:03] <tomreyn> this is more a ##hardware topic, though, off topic here
[22:04] <Bray90820> I might just reinstall windows then reinstall ubuntu and get back to you
[22:04] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: spideroak is nice IMO
[22:04] <ppf> df00z: that's not a valid LLVM_LDFLAGS specification
[22:04] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: yeah but it is too expensive for an entire system
[22:04] <JonelethIrenicus> 10 dollars for every 100 GB
[22:04] <df00z> ppf: exactly, thats the 64 bit path
[22:05] <df00z> I did not specify that
[22:05] <ppf> ~/Mesa-3D# LLVM_LDFLAGS=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu ./configure --enable-nine --prefix=/usr/fakelocal/32/
[22:05] <ppf> that's the one i meant
[22:05] <df00z> oh, i can get rid of that but it seems to make no diff
[22:07] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: there are cheaper, less technically sound solutions. you could also roll your own using owncloud.
[22:07] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: yeah for sure
[22:08] <atlasloewenherz> anyone could help understand why my iscsi based lvm partition is not visible to the OS these are my logs: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f20f1e202f7a634769ac2dd22d604aa6
[22:09] <ppf> df00z: let's look at the llvm thing first. i bet it's getting the llvm settings through llvm-config
[22:10] <ppf> thus, when configuring, make sure you've got the right llvm-config in your path
[22:10] <Jordan_U> atlasloewenherz: Please pastebin the output of "sudo pvscan && sudo vgscan && sudo vgachange -a y && sudo lvscan".
[22:10] <df00z> ppf: theres only one llvm-config on my system as far as i am aware of, not a sep 32 bit one
[22:10] <ppf> because that's probably not the right one: llvm-config:     /usr/bin/llvm-config
[22:11] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: one sec
[22:11] <ppf> but you have 32bit llvm libs around?
[22:11] <df00z> ppf: correct.
[22:11] <df00z> I think its part of the main package not libs
[22:11] <ppf> how did you install them
[22:11] <df00z> and the i386 and regular package conflict
[22:11] <ppf> so which did you install?
[22:11] <df00z> 64
[22:11] <ppf> i'm confused.
[22:12] <tomreyn> Bray90820: in case you decide against applying the BIOS update now (although i would very much recommend it) and would prefer to review the error you run into more, this is your search term:  [drm:intel_pipe_update_end [i915]] *ERROR* Atomic update failure on pipe B
[22:12] <df00z> ppf: i am not sure what package contains llvm-config off the top of my head.  it might be llvm-3.8, or llvm-3.8 dev..hold on there is a way to check
[22:13] <df00z> "llvm"
[22:13] <df00z> llvm and llvm:i386 will naturally conflict
[22:13] <ppf> yes
[22:13] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2d3378bd1f036b42bdb3e9e4ac12b43f
[22:14] <ppf> but you'll need the 32bit one if you want this to work
[22:14] <kegan_> sudo: pam_ecryptfs: pam_sm_authenticate: /home/myusername is already mounted
[22:14] <kegan_> why does this keep happening?
[22:15] <kegan_> I know that's not enough information; where do I look to provide more?
[22:15] <df00z> ppf: that will break other stuff on my system, the whole point of multiarch is to have stuff side by side
[22:15] <Jordan_U> atlasloewenherz: Is homelv what you're looking for?
[22:15] <ppf> df00z: yeah, but are ther multiarch packages for llvm?
[22:15] <df00z> for dev and libs, eyah
[22:16] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: that's the local storage ( raid over local physical disks) the one im looking for is iscsi based
[22:16] <df00z> Anyway thats why I said im giving up, Ubuntu isn't a great system for this kind of work
[22:16] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: the iscsi based block device is /dev/sdh
[22:17] <Jordan_U> df00z: apt-get build-dep mesa didn't help?
[22:17] <ppf> df00z: you can set up a chroot with all 32bit in it
[22:17] <df00z> Jordan_U: Nah, it only installed the 64 bit prereqs for mesa
[22:17] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: i'am able to see the partition when i fdisk -l /dev/sdh1
[22:17] <kegan_> parameter rootcheck=no... asks for auth, what does the param mean, then?
[22:17] <df00z> ppf: Yeah - if I did that though I'd need to manually configure all of the prereqs compiling from source, correct?
[22:18] <df00z> Or does ubuntu have a way to install working packages to a chroot?
[22:18] <df00z> like could I install llvm:386 to a chroot?
[22:18] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: but when i try to vgcreate /dev/sdh1 its not working as the /dev/sdh1 is not there
[22:18] <ppf> you can in stall anything in a chroot
[22:19] <ppf> anyways, i don't know the mesa build scripts. shouldn't you be able to tell it where LLVM is installed
[22:21] <ppf> and same thing for expat, probably
[22:22] <df00z> hm, so I should look at debootstrap maybe
[22:22] <ppf> df00z: yah that'd be the way to do it
[22:22] <Jordan_U> atlasloewenherz: sudo partx -a /dev/sdh1
[22:22] <ppf> but the other way might be faster
[22:22] <Jordan_U> atlasloewenherz: Sorry, "sudo partx -a /dev/sdh".
[22:23] <Festour> Hey, while installing one programm, aptitude removed linux-signed-image-4.4.0-38-generic, and configured grub
[22:23] <Festour> What will happens, when i will reboot?
[22:24] <ppf> Festour: dpkg -l linux-signed-image
[22:24] <kegan_> unetbootin won't download the iso I need
[22:24] <kegan_> pam_ecryptfs throws an already mounted on my env var
[22:24] <Festour> ppf: said what didnt found any package
[22:24] <kegan_> why might it be that after an hour or two (seemingly not synced w/ cron jobs) of being logged into ubuntu, I keep getting this pam_ecryptfs error?
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[22:25] <kegan_> like they don't have filters or something
[22:25] <ppf> Festour: dpkg -l linux-image-generic
[22:25] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: after partx -a /dev/sdh the /dev/sdh1 partition is there
[22:26] <Festour> ppf: ii  linux-image-ge <IP_ADDRESS>.48  amd64        Generic Linux kernel image
[22:26] <Jordan_U> atlasloewenherz: Great, you should be able to access the LVM volume now.
[22:26] <ppf> Festour: well, you're good
[22:27] <Festour> ppf: okay, thanks
[22:27] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: but still i can not vgcreate on it
[22:27] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/be4f7da2fb30c10d301848ef1e0ef9e5
[22:27] <Festour> ppf: also, do you know how to reinstall arial font?  I uninstalled this package because I hate it, but I might not hate it in the future
[22:29] <NinjaWilsy> It's been a few years... any recommendations? Like must have apps, or anything?
[22:29] <kegan_> just curious if there's a convention; happy enough to just make a text file
[22:29] <Festour> ppf: before it was fine, but when i installed additionals fonts for subtitles for anime, its started crazy, in engilsh, all displayed on upper case, and on russian, its DiSpLaYeD LiKe ThIs
[22:30] <Festour> ppf: i think what if i reinstall that font, it will fix it
[22:30] <atlasloewenherz> Jordan_U: the syslog: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2b91e68fe855c488bee7483179859373
[22:31] <ppf> df00z: so i just checked out mesa for you.
[22:31] <NinjaWilsy> Or maybe is there a welcome to Ubuntu thread somewhere that has things like that?
[22:31] <ppf> --with-llvm-prefix      Prefix for LLVM installations in non-standard
[22:31] <ppf> (this is for configure)
[22:31] <ppf> did you try that?
[22:31] <lion4407> I have ubuntu 16.10 installed on a usb...I am having trouble getting the openvpn option on network manager.  I have installed openvpn, network-manager-openvpn, network-manager-gnome.. I have even completely uninstalled those and reinstalled using synaptic packagage manager ...I have also restarted network manager using command prompt as well as rebooting. the openvpn option still does not show.
[22:32] <ppf> lion4407: network-manager-openvpn-gnome?
[22:33] <lion4407> ppf i did not see that on syanptic package manager or on terminal..is there a reason that might not be showing?
[22:33] <croberts> i know for vpnc it didnt show up with 16.04 and had to do network-manager-vpnc-gnome
[22:33] <croberts> in 15.x it was there by default it seemed
[22:34] <lion4407> is network-manager-openvpn-gnome still an active package in 16.10?
[22:34] <k1l_> yes it is
[22:34] <lion4407> it was not showing
[22:34] <k1l_> !info  network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[22:34] <MarGul> when using chroot_local_users=YES in vsftpd and then setting chmod 555 on the home dir I still get 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot()
[22:34] <MarGul> .  Any way to solve this?
[22:34] <k1l_> lion4407: make sure universe is enabled
[22:34] <lion4407> kil_ how do i do that
[22:34] <lion4407> is that a package?
[22:35] <k1l_> lion4407: no, universe is a repo.
[22:35] <lion4407> how do you add a repo?
[22:35] <lion4407> in sources?
[22:35] <ppf> MarGul: https://www.benscobie.com/fixing-500-oops-vsftpd-refusing-to-run-with-writable-root-inside-chroot/
[22:35] <ppf> tried that?
[22:35] <k1l_> lion4407: use the systemsettings
[22:35] <lion4407> and do what?
[22:36] <lion4407> details please :)
[22:36] <k1l_> lion4407: come on.
[22:36] <MarGul> ppf, yes I tried the chmod a-w /home/user and I still get the same.    Any ideas? I think I can copy-paste the output of dmesg
[22:44] <OnkelTem> if that may help
[22:44] <k1l_> lets not mind the trolls :) the will get bored if we dont pay attention
[22:44] <ppf> k1l_ is making friends!   Or raw port?
[22:47] <ppf> that sounds like a hardware issue
[22:47] <OnkelTem> it is raw
[22:48] <ppf> can you verify the drive is okay?
[22:48] <OnkelTem> well, I've connected it to another workstation and noticed no issues. I can retry
[22:48] <mxmlnk> hu
[22:48] <ppf> might be a power issue?
[22:48] <kegan_> that seems like enough
[22:48] <df00z> What version of gentoo, and like is it an older or newer pc?
[22:48] <nicomachus> !smart | OnkelTem test it with this
[22:48] <df00z> if its like a bleeding edge motherboard or chipset id say a kernel update might be helpful
[22:48] <nicomachus> uhhh... sorry. I read HDD instead of USB. ignore me.
[22:48] <ppf> does the drive have an external power supply?
[22:49] <OnkelTem> ppf: no it hasn't. It's powered by a single cable - the usb
[22:49] <OnkelTem> ppf: I too thought about power issue. Not sure how to be sure
[22:50] <OnkelTem> :)
[22:50] <kil_is_a_bitch> rofl
[22:50] <kil_is_a_bitch> what a faggot
[22:50] <kil_is_a_bitch> hahah
[22:50] <ikonia> abr kil_is_a_bitch bye
[22:50] <OnkelTem> lol, what a patient person
[22:51] <ppf> OnkelTem: tried another cable/port?
[22:51] <_beast_> Hey guys, I could use some help with a workaround on an ubuntu system, can you help?
[22:51] <Ben64> _beast_: ask your question for best results
[22:51] <kegan_> just ask
[22:51] <th0r> OnkelTem, one way to check. First, plug a thumb drive into that port. If the thumb drive works the port itself is probably prety well off. Then plug the drive into another usb port. If it works, the drive is OK and it is probablypower
[22:51] <OnkelTem> ppf: actually no :) shame on me. Everything looks pretty brand new - everything: port, cable, the device. But I'll try that also.
[22:53] <_beast_> Thanks, I have an Ubuntu 16.04 system that is running on a laptop with a screen that works ~half the time. I don't really need it to have a screen, but I do need sshd to start before the login screen, or to bypass the login screen, so that I can use the computer as a headless system.  While manipulating my partition table, I did a mistake and deleted it. I wanted to re-create a new partition on the same place, with the same size, but the fs is not longer linked to the partition (i suppose)
[22:59] <_beast_> Ah, this actually looks like a problem. When I booted it last time, the screen wasn't working, and I logged in blindly. This time, I can see what's happening and it is not connected to the network. When I click on my Wi-Fi, it says "Failed to add/activate connection: (1) insufficient privileges.   WTF is that
[23:08] <Kendos> Ben64: still here ?
[23:09] <Ben64> Kendos: yep
[23:09] <Kendos> So as I said before this bug, I already tried
[23:09] <Kendos> but it takes a very long time for nothing, as testdisk find 20 or 30 partitions
[23:11] <Smn> guys, I've had 2 drives die in under a year with very light usage with ubuntu, and I'm reading this https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/07/10/30/1742258/ubuntu-may-be-killing-your-laptops-hard-drive and wondering if it is still a problem, the computer is not a laptop, but it uses laptop components(all-in-one)so I wonder if it'd have the same behavior
[23:11] <ikonia> Smn: its more likley it's just bad luck
[23:12] <Grandolf> i use a PC< but ive used ubuntu for quite a while w/o any problems
[23:13] <ppf> currently just 16.04
[23:14] <Guest4045> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement the wiki is also incomplete, the last version specific fix is for 10.04 and even at that point it didn't come by default
[23:14] <Guest4045> I don't know why my name was changed, but I can't change it back, either
[23:14] <_beast_> so that was weird, but it turns out I had a bug, so I'm trying dist-upgrade now, since it says it was fixed in 16.10
[23:14] <Katronix> ppf, is it only on Ubuntu? or also Xubuntu and others?
[23:14] <ppf> Katronix: all the same
[23:15] <ppf> _beast_: dist-upgrade != upgrade to 16.10
[23:15] <_beast_> oh
[23:15] <ppf> for release upgrades run do-release-upgrade
[23:15] <ppf> but backup first ;)
[23:16] <_beast_> nothing to back up I've barely used it in awhile, I'm trying to set it up for a specific purpose. Thanks though
[23:19] <Random832> when apt has a configuration file change, why can't it show me all three versions
[23:19] <Random832> i.e. the original before and after, and the new one it wants to install
[23:19] <Random832> like i don't know what the hell i did to UPower.conf
[23:20] <Bashing-om> Guest4045: Try ' /msg nickserv regain <nick> <password> ' - in your status window - to regain your nick after the netsplit had renamed "you" .
[23:20] <ppf> what would the 'after' version contain
[23:21] <Random832> ppf: the point is it's saying that there are differences between the current version and the one that was originally installed with the package
[23:21] <Random832> "after" would be the current version
[23:21] <ppf> Random832: just open it in an editor?
[23:22] <Random832> ...but it only lets me see two versions
[23:22] <Random832> it doesn't let me see the original from the previous version of the package so i can see what the local changes are
[23:22] <ppf> ah
[23:23] <th0r> Random832, it shows your present file and the new one. All you have to do to get the original is note where you added stuff. You do comment your changes, don't you?
[23:23] <ppf> Random832: most of the time your modified file is the one you want to keep
[23:23] <Random832> all i'm saying is git can do it so why can't apt
[23:24] <smn> thanks, Bashing-om
[23:24] <ppf> Random832: because no one taught it to
[23:28] <insy> eh ok stupid question   i want to install libre office but according to the wiki i need to knw if i use gome or KDE ,i have  Lubuntu 16.04 installed so how can i check it
[23:29] <ikonia> insy: lubuntu is lxde
[23:30] <insy> thats what i thought at first   so how does that work with the wiki ...  (wiki.ubuntu.com/libreoffice
[23:30] <ppf> skip that part
[23:31] <insy> so just run sudo apt-get install ....?
[23:31] <ppf> yes
[23:32] <ppf> and skip the -gnome/-kde package
[23:33] <insy> ehm so to be sure whats best way to install the full version?
[23:34] <ppf> sudo apt install libreoffice
[23:35] <insy> apt or apt-get?
[23:35] <ppf> aot
[23:35] <ppf> if your ubuntu is new
[23:35] <insy> week old
[23:36] <insy> so that wikipage wasnt much help should get here sooner.. tnx
[23:37] <ppf> the page says basically the same thing :)
[23:38] <insy> well yes just the kde/gnome thingy confused me
[23:50] <Olgdfyy> Hi
[23:51] <paul235> I just saw a ad on craigslist that says there is a guy here named Kil_ that loves to drink cum...


[14:29] <Mirv> I should probably again hang in here too :)
[16:10] <Turl> newz2000: hi
[16:10] <Turl> newz2000: did you send the email?
[16:11] <newz2000> Sorry, we had a complication and it was stalled but we've cleared it up and I'll send it shortly.
[16:12] <newz2000> My commitment to you is that I will send it before I go to lunch and it's 11:12am now.
[16:12] <Turl> :)
[16:12] <Turl> don't hesitate to ask for help if you can't make the javascript work
[16:13] <Turl> pidgin crash :/
[17:32] <Turl> newz2000: can you fix my name on the wiki?
[17:33] <Turl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/JauntyCountdownBanners where it says Emimlio Lopez it should say Emilio López
[17:34] <newz2000> let me try
[17:34] <newz2000> knome: thanks for the compfight suggestion on my blog, that is awesome
[17:36] <newz2000> Turl: updated
[17:36] <Turl> newz2000: thanks
[17:37] <Turl> you didn't choose the animated one. it's a pity :p
[17:37] <newz2000> dd you read the whole email?
[17:37] <newz2000> If we can get Pierre's put together we'll do it too
[17:38] <newz2000> That's the problem with long emails. :-)
[17:38] <Turl> but the animated one isn't pierre's :p
[17:39] <Turl> I mean this one http://www.vergeylen.eu/stephane/index.php?page=banner-for-9-04
[17:39] <Turl> you don't even mention it
[17:39] <Turl> it's the first one in the wiki
[17:40] <newz2000> oh, pierre's is animated too.
[17:40] <Turl> I'll check it out, have to get the branch
[17:40] <newz2000> I uploaded it...
[17:41] <newz2000> http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/PierreCarousel
[17:42] <Turl> I think it needs better HTML/images, the "ARM support" or "Faster boot" isn't very good :/
[17:42] <newz2000> Right, we need to make four more images
[17:42] <newz2000> and end with the wheel
[17:54] <Turl> newz2000: which day will be jaunty released?
[17:54] <newz2000> Turl: April 24th
[17:54] <newz2000> sorry, 23rd
[17:54] <newz2000> Thursday
[17:54] <Turl> thanks :)
[18:12] <Turl> newz2000: do you know by chance, if there are 22 days to go?
[18:12] <Turl> I don't want to do maths now :p
[18:13] <newz2000> it's more than 30
[18:13] <newz2000> it will be 30 days on Tuesday the 24th
[18:13] <newz2000> so 41 days to go
[18:13] <Turl> ok
[18:52] <Turl> newz2000: I'm improving the animated banner for my blog
[18:52] <Turl> http://www.turleando.com.ar/labs/jauntybanner/banner.htm
[18:53] <newz2000> It's slick
[18:53] <newz2000> Have you noticed that in firefox on Ubuntu that the animations of javascript lately tends to be not-so-fluid?
[18:54] <Turl> nope :p it's fluid for me
[18:55] <Turl> but might depend on CPU (mine is a dual core now, so everything is quite fast)
[18:55] <Turl> maybe it's not fluid on my P3
[19:02] <knome> newz2000, no problem. it took me ages to find it so.. :)
[19:06] <newz2000> Turl: I have a dual core Intel ULV cpu, so kind of under-powered
[19:06] <newz2000> Turl: are you using Ubuntu?
[19:06] <Turl> newz2000: obviously .P
[19:06] <Turl> .p*
[19:07] <Turl> ULV, never heard of them
[19:07] <Turl> mine is a T5800
[19:07] <newz2000> the ULV are the "ultra low voltage" chips. Mine is 1.2GHz
[19:07] <Turl> oh
[19:08] <newz2000> Long battery life ++
[19:08] <Turl> mine is 2Ghz, on a laptop too
[19:08] <Turl> my battery lasts 2-3hs, and I think it's 6-cell
[19:08] <newz2000> 5-6 hours (7 if I'm not working hard) w/ 9 cell. It's nice.
[19:09] <Turl> woah
[19:09] <newz2000> But the computer is no multi-media machine
[19:09] <Turl> mine is
[19:09] <newz2000> :-)
[19:09] <Turl> believe it or not, it's a laptop with a subwoofer inside :p
[19:09] <newz2000> oh, nice
[19:10] <Turl> I just have a problem with the touchpad, I sometimes accidentally touch it and do disasters :p
[19:11] <Turl> I need something to disable it clicking while typing or similar
[19:12] <newz2000> There is something that lets you control the touch pad
[19:12] <newz2000> It's easy to use but you have to add one line to your x.org file
[19:12] <newz2000> then it's a graphical tool
[19:12] <newz2000> I think it may be gsynaptics
[19:13] <Turl> I was using a precompiled syndaemon binary
[21:00] <thorwil> newz2000: good 2nd choice ;) oh, and i already have "mental" pictures for the 4 frames
[21:01] <newz2000> awesome!
[21:01] <newz2000> I can't wait to see
[21:04] <thorwil> good night!
[21:14] <newz2000> oh, harrypopof is his handle. I thought that was the rabbit's name.


[15:17] <charlie-tca> no images today for anyone
[16:40] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: which bugs do I need to push to get lightdm working for us now?
[16:43] <Unit193> Should we test yesterday?
[16:46] <charlie-tca> no
[16:47] <charlie-tca> NOt unless you really want to. I am trying to find where today's images are, since they were built
[18:53] <charlie-tca> hm, well...
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu images are available now for testing.
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Only Xubuntu images have been published today, for some odd reason :)
[18:54] <charlie-tca> We are still trying to publish Kubuntu, Ubuntu, UbuntuStudio
[19:02] <Unit193> Thanks for telling. Topic? I'm running dl-ubuntu-test-iso (Doesn't seem to like network shares)
[19:03] <charlie-tca> I was waiting to see if the images are real ;)
[19:03] <Unit193> Er... Sorry then
[19:04] <charlie-tca> don't be. It's fine to remind me to fix thisgs
[19:04] <charlie-tca> things, too,
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Better?
[19:04] <Unit193> Sure, yep
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[19:05] <Unit193> "Target 88.4% complete." Since yesterday!
[19:05] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:06] <charlie-tca> by the way, I got both desktop and alternate images working from the hard drive, through grub2
[19:07] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, the desktop images will only work through the live session, which is broken...
[19:50] <charlie-tca> my images are still syncing. wish I had a fast internet :(
[19:53] <Unit193> Mine are all done
[20:36] <Unit193> FATAL: Error Inserting ramzswap   something tells me that isn't a good thing...
[20:39] <charlie-tca> heh, I don't think it is
[20:48]  * Unit193 OEM32
[22:12] <Pjotr> I like the announcement of Xubuntu 11.10 alpha 2: "The developers are working hard to make Xubuntu 11.10 one of the best Linux distributions yet. They are striving to ensure that everything will work for all users, and instead of many changes, are working to ensure the release is very stable and secure."
[22:13] <Pjotr> I think it would be good if you would position Xubuntu more clearly as the ideal Gnome 2 replacement
[22:13] <Pjotr> which it is!  :-)
[22:13] <charlie-tca> it isn't. That is not the goal, since Xfce and Gnome have never been the same
[22:13] <Unit193> There are a few changes (LightDM), but it's mostly going for stable
[22:14] <Pjotr> OK, but.... as a Gnome 2 user for years, I just love Xubuntu right now
[22:14] <Pjotr> makes me feel at home again
[22:15] <Unit193> I'm sure we are glad you liked it! I know I do ;)
[22:17] <Pjotr> You guys are producing a desktop environment that rocks. I know for sure that many current Gnome 2 users will feel much happier with Xubuntu 11.10 than with Ubuntu 11.10. Spread the word!  :-)
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Please don't spread the word that it is "just like gnome2", because every time someone does that, we get hundreds of disappointed users
[22:18] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'm not getting LightDM. Anything I should do before calling this a fail? (sudo /etc/init.d/lightdm restart )
[22:18] <charlie-tca> sudo service lightdm restart
[22:18] <charlie-tca> it doesn't use init.d anymore
[22:19] <charlie-tca> it is upstart now
[22:19] <charlie-tca> which image?
[22:19] <Unit193> Desktop
[22:19] <charlie-tca> 64?
[22:19] <Unit193> 32
[22:19] <Unit193> I only do 32
[22:19] <charlie-tca> live session is still broke
[22:20] <Unit193> This is after install from the menu option
[22:20] <charlie-tca> really?
[22:21] <charlie-tca> I can one in vbox and try to reproduce it
[22:21] <charlie-tca> well, no I can't
[22:21] <charlie-tca> vbox is not working with the new kernel
[22:22] <charlie-tca> lol, gonna be a long weekend
[22:22] <charlie-tca> fail it, I will run images this weekend
[22:23] <charlie-tca> I will have to test on hardware until vbox works again in oneiric
[22:28] <Unit193> I'll try alt full disk now (OEM fail)
[22:32] <charlie-tca> okay
[22:33] <charlie-tca> gotta reboot, reinstalling VBox
[22:41] <Unit193> Anything you want me to test? Or just anything?
[22:42] <charlie-tca> anything, yup
[22:43] <charlie-tca> we need to test all the images, so if we can get something to work, that would be a good thing.
[22:43] <Unit193> Thanks for setting up the GDoc! It's been quite easy to report!  32bit Alternate Entire Disk w/Encryption
[22:43] <charlie-tca> You are welcome.
[22:56] <charlie-tca> micahg: anything on java this week?
[22:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, I'll send an e-mail over the weekend, I haven't had time to talk to mvo yet
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Okay
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Well, removed and reinstalled VBox, got it working with the latest kernel, anyway
[23:01] <Unit193> Hmmm... I'm going with LVM AND Home encryption, this will be odd (Or is this offtopic?)
[23:07] <charlie-tca> nope
[23:08] <charlie-tca> That should be correct. If you go Encrypted LVM and don't encrypt /home, it fails now
[23:09] <Unit193> This is my first time with Encrypted LVM/home
[23:09] <charlie-tca> It's easy, sort of
[23:09] <charlie-tca> OEM and FreeSoftware are difficult to do, with OEM probably the hardest install of all to get to work
[23:09] <Unit193> I'll see if I can run a few more installs after this
[23:10] <Unit193> OEM didn't work, but it wasn't hard (But get it to work may be the trick)
[23:10] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:11] <charlie-tca> If you don't shutdown at the right point, or click prepare an extra click, it fails
[23:11] <charlie-tca> and, probably 25% of the time, if you do it right, it fails anyway
[23:12] <Unit193> OEM is a bug just like Plymouth it seems
[23:13] <charlie-tca> When it works, it is really good