[12:15] <rjb> BCM43xx wireless in feisty, anyone? what's the support status?
[12:16] <pvandewyngaerde> is it possible to play flash with kubuntu 64 ?
[12:17] <Ch1ppy> hey, so I started upgrading to feisty through adept_manager, and in my silliness (don't ask) I canceled it in the middle of downloading & installing packages.  Now adept_manager isn't letting me use the handy upgrade program anymore... any suggestions?
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> broadcom.  chances are the support's the same as it always has been and always will be.  nonexistant.  ndiswrapper for you!  (this post may be slightly inaccurate, but it made the writer a little happier, so lay off)
[12:17] <Ch1ppy> all my repos are set to feisty right now
[12:20] <coreymon77> ive got an idea
[12:20] <coreymon77> dont use a broadcom chip card
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: if it's built in, there's not much choice, sadly
[12:21] <coreymon77> why are the es.archive.ubuntu.com repos so slow and take so long to connect to (pausing at "waiting for headers for a long time)
[12:21] <Daisuke_Ido> i'd recommend the same thing, but that's not always a possibility
[12:21] <coreymon77> us not es
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: i'm going to go out on a limb and say it's because a ton of people are upgrading right now because feisty was released today
[12:22] <Daisuke_Ido> all the repos are slow :\
[12:23] <wondering> Now that this channel officially supports Feisty, a Feisty question: I installed a stock kubuntu-alternate-i386 installation on my machine and I can't login with local user accounts through KDM.
[12:23] <wondering> Is this a known bug?
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> wondering: oem install?
[12:24] <wondering> Daisuke_Ido: Command line install and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> no idea
[12:24] <wondering> This wasn't something that I noticed in the Feisty beta.
[12:26] <rjb> re Broadcom: i run it with ndiswrapper on edgy, has worked fine ever since i've had this machine
[12:26] <rjb> the reason i'm concerned about feisty is, edgy's most recent kernel update seems to break ndiswrapper
[12:26] <Daisuke_Ido> then recompile ndiswrapper
[12:27] <rjb> i use the packaged ndiswrapper
[12:27] <rjb> why t.f. should i need to recompile it
[12:27] <Daisuke_Ido> why t.f. shouldn't you?
[12:28] <rjb> it's a kernel module that's part of the distro for chrissake
[12:28] <Daisuke_Ido> the ndiswrapper included with feisty is already outdated
[12:28] <Daisuke_Ido> (assuming they're still using 1.30)
[12:28] <rjb> yeah that's why i'm not assuming it will work without firt asking folks who might know
[12:29] <yaccin> how can i run a gtk-application? -_-
[12:29] <rjb> first asking, even
[12:29] <coreymon77> yaccin: just run it
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i would try it
[12:29] <yaccin> coreymon77: doesnt work :P
[12:29] <yaccin> i get errors
[12:29] <yaccin> but
[12:29] <coreymon77> yaccin: what program is this
[12:29] <yaccin> wwhen i run them as root it works
[12:29] <yaccin> its vlc, gimp and thunderbird
[12:29] <Twisted> is feisty considered beta or stable?
[12:30] <tekteen> stable
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Twisted: read the topic
[12:30] <coreymon77> Twisted: as of today, stable
[12:30] <Twisted> oh. duh. thanks
[12:30] <wondering> Twisted: It's supposedly stable, but I can't even login from KDM from a stock kubuntu installation.
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> it's out, official, released, fo' real yo', all good in da hood, pick your euphemism :)
[12:30] <Twisted> yikes
[12:30] <tekteen> did u install since stable
[12:30] <qsu> so people, anyway  on feisty already
[12:30] <tekteen> did u upgrade to it using apt-get
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> anecdotal evidence != bad OS
[12:31] <Twisted> methinks i'm a little behind then
[12:31] <yaccin> qsu: for weeks :P
[12:31] <Graham> Yay! Packages downloaded! Now I'm upgrading to 7.04!
[12:31] <coreymon77> im having trouble with it
[12:31] <yaccin> err
[12:31] <yaccin> for months
[12:31] <yaccin> coreymon77: so...? ^^
[12:31] <goatimus> hi all - need clues for a botched kubuntu 6.10 install...
[12:31] <coreymon77> yaccin: oh, your gtk must be messed, what are you running?
[12:32] <yaccin> feisty
[12:32] <coreymon77> yaccin: what version
[12:32] <coreymon77> yaccin: stable
[12:32] <coreymon77> ?
[12:32] <yaccin> stable what?
[12:32] <coreymon77> yaccin: the stable feisty or the beta feisty
[12:32] <yaccin> there is no bety feisty
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> BAH!  can't even download the release announcement
[12:32] <yaccin> o.O
[12:33] <stoft> Daisuke_Ido: you n me both :(
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> yaccin: if you downloaded it before today there is
[12:33] <coreymon77> yaccin: have you upgraded today
[12:33] <yaccin> not if you upgrade
[12:33] <yaccin> but its a fresh install
[12:33] <yaccin> but i had the same problem with the old install
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> there were beta isos too
[12:33] <tekteen> what u sould do NOW is fresh install or alt. cd
[12:33] <coreymon77> yaccin: WHEN DID YOU GET FEISTY
[12:33] <coreymon77> yaccin: oops
[12:33] <tekteen> DO NOT DO WEB UPDATE
[12:33] <yaccin> i downloaded and isntalled today
[12:33] <yaccin> so it is the stable
[12:34] <yaccin> yes
[12:34] <coreymon77> yaccin: sorry, didnt know caps was on
[12:34] <yaccin> ...
[12:34] <Graham> tekteen: Nothing wrong with the web update. Worked fine for me, only took me an hour.
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> wish me luck
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> updating :D
[12:34] <coreymon77> umm
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> stoft: keep trying
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> it'll go through
[12:34] <coreymon77> i went through the thing where it downloads the upgrade tool
[12:35] <coreymon77> it then said click finish to close adept and run the upgrade tool
[12:35] <tekteen> I've bee WEB UPDATING for quite a few hours
[12:35] <Jisao> Do you know of any torrent software staying linked when it's done downloading?
[12:35] <coreymon77> i pressed finish and adept isnt closing
[12:35] <stoft> Daisuke_Ido: went through the first part, got stuck on the next, gonna leave it to tomorrow, need to get some sleep.
[12:35] <giovani> I tried installing using the desktop i386 installer -- and got to three different points of booting by trying "media check" "safe graphics" and "install" booting
[12:35] <tekteen> Since I got home from school
[12:35] <coreymon77> nor is any upgrade tool starting
[12:35] <stoft> Jisao: most torrent sw switches to "seed" when having finished a dl.
[12:35] <_Johny> I tried to make a web update updating to feisty. Some erorrs occured and I had to reinstall the entire system - It wouldn't boot
[12:35] <tekteen> 4:15 hours left of DOWNLOAD
[12:35] <giovani> in all three cases ... the keyboard stops responding, however a cursor is blinking in the terminal after all of the services ubuntu managed to start
[12:35] <Graham> tekteen: Where are you?
[12:36] <tekteen> ?
[12:36] <tekteen> What do u mean
[12:36] <Graham> tekteen: Where do you live?
[12:36] <coreymon77> yaccin: my upgrade tool isnt working
[12:36] <tekteen> cant say
[12:36] <tekteen> NY
[12:36] <Graham> That'll be why.
[12:36] <tekteen> ok
[12:36] <Jisao> Looks like I can't do that on the one I used :-(   I wanted to seed the Kubuntu I got today.
[12:36] <tekteen> NY matters
[12:36] <Graham> Server is in the UK isn't it?
[12:36] <tekteen> ?
[12:37] <stoft> east coast just got home from work and wants to upgrade... ;)
[12:37] <giovani> I'm in NY -- 22 minutes to download from the us.releases site
[12:37] <tekteen> I am afraid to use alt. cd
[12:37] <tekteen> It might not work
[12:38] <coreymon77> guys
[12:38] <Jisao> whym tekteen?te
[12:38] <coreymon77> my update tool isnt loading
[12:38] <Stromberg> hey
[12:38] <tekteen> I started WEB UPDATE
[12:38] <goatimus> anyone here familiar with how to troubleshoot packages that should have installed but didn't?
[12:38] <coreymon77> my web update isnt owkrin
[12:38] <tekteen> I am afraid it has done to much
[12:38] <Jisao> mine either, coreymon77
[12:38] <coreymon77> update too isnt opening
[12:38] <tekteen> If I stop it it might not work
[12:38] <Stromberg> is anyone else having problems with 7.04 and knetworkmanager? i want to connect to my wpa network and it says "Configuring device" and then simply stops after some time
[12:38] <yaccin> ahhh
[12:38] <yaccin> i did a rm .gtk*
[12:38] <yaccin> and now it works
[12:39] <yaccin> :)
[12:39] <snikker> i'm tring to update to feisty via adept, but an error message tell me to free about 15mb in /boot... now i've got 26mb free in /boot... i can't update?
[12:39] <Graham> Wait, is Fiesty going to try and configure my wireless?
[12:39] <yaccin> sry
[12:39] <yaccin> :/
[12:39] <yaccin> tekwhy?
[12:39] <yaccin> coreymon77: servers are too busy
[12:39] <coreymon77> does anyone know why my update tool isnt openign
[12:39] <coreymon77> and where is this version upgrade button
[12:40] <Graham> coreymon77: Is your 6.10 install fully up to date?
[12:40] <coreymon77> i believe so
[12:40] <coreymon77> the window to download the tool appeared
[12:40] <amigrave> kubuntu hardware database collection program freezes my computer ;-) Can't even Ctrl-Alt-F1, the mouse cursor still moves but I can't click on anything
[12:40] <tekteen> you need to run update-manager
[12:40] <Stromberg> did anyone get his WPA to work with 7.04 ?
[12:40] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: fetch updates, upgrade, quit, restart adept, fetch updates again
[12:40] <coreymon77> just after i pressed finish, adept didnt close and update tool didnt open
[12:40] <tekteen> Then it will show the upgrade button
[12:41] <snikker> i must erase all my hd and reinstall?
[12:41] <raven301> Has anyone had luck getting their wireless to work in 7.04 ... mine worked in the beta but.
[12:41] <Stromberg> raven301, WPA-PSK?
[12:42] <raven301> wep
[12:42] <Stromberg> with network-manager?
[12:42] <Daisuke_Ido> ugh, i hate wep anyway :D
[12:42] <N0Lif3|lappy> cool, Kubuntu is upgrading to 7.04
[12:42] <Stromberg> it refuses to connect to my WPA here :/
[12:42] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: when i press full upgrade, it looks like its gonna upgrade the stuff to feisty anyways
[12:42] <Daisuke_Ido> then go for it :)
[12:42] <raven301> Stromberg, with systemsetting
[12:43] <Daisuke_Ido> what's the worst that can happen?
[12:43] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, poor choice of words, sorry
[12:43] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: my system fucks
[12:43] <xst> I have two soundcards. How do I select which of them that should be my default soundcard?
[12:43] <Daisuke_Ido> take a look at one or two of the upgradable packages and see what the candidate version is
[12:44] <dettoaltrimenti> if I'm searching for something in an html document (using Kate), that comes between two quotes like this: "title="hello hello"", is there any way I can search for each instance of that, and have the 'hello hello' part highlighted?
[12:44] <Stromberg> i hate this wireless network configuring shit... linux is so bad at it
[12:44] <Daisuke_Ido> !language
[12:44] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:44] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1really3.5.5
[12:44] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: its all kde stuff
[12:45] <coreymon77> Stromberg: what card
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> you need to install that
[12:45] <os2mac> Stromberg; what's your problem?
[12:45] <Stromberg> tnet1130 with ndiswrapper
[12:45] <hagabaka> I usually use KDM; if X crashes on start up, and I get the command line login prompt, after fixing xorg.conf, what's the correct way to start up KDM again?
[12:45] <Stromberg> removed acx111 already
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> you installed 3.5.6 on edgy, didn't you?
[12:45] <Stromberg> then ndiswrappered
[12:45] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: yup
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> install those packages
[12:45] <Stromberg> network-manager detects my wireless network
[12:45] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: okay
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> can't upgrade to feisty with 3.5.6 installed :)
[12:45] <Daisuke_Ido> problem solved!
[12:45] <coreymon77> Stromberg: what chipset does your card use
[12:45] <N0Lif3|lappy> Stromberg: I haven't had to deal with wireless on linux. Right now, i'm connected to the net via a 50ft cat5 to a router :p
[12:45] <Stromberg> but then only says "Configuring device" when trying to connect
[12:46] <Graham> So is the Fiesty wireless support supposed to be really good?
[12:46] <coreymon77> N0Lif3|lappy: i just made sure i got a card with an atheros chipset
[12:46] <Stromberg> texas instruments chip: tnet1130
[12:46] <coreymon77> N0Lif3|lappy: mine worked out of the box, just a simple iwconfig command
[12:46] <Daisuke_Ido> atheros, ralink, all cool
[12:46] <os2mac> Graham: mine works great and has never worked in an earlier version of Kubuntu
[12:46] <Daisuke_Ido> broadcom, evil evil EVIL
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, fetching file 1 of 911
[12:47] <os2mac> and I am Broadcom....
[12:47] <N0Lif3|lappy> I want to get wifi, but i'm just too cheap to sink $50 on a wifi card
[12:47] <Stromberg> it just sucks seems to be a problem with knetworkmanager here
[12:47] <Daisuke_Ido> os2mac: and it worked out of the box in feisty?
[12:47] <coreymon77> N0Lif3|lappy: mine was much cheaper than that
[12:47] <os2mac> get a cheap card.. it will likely work in Linux.
[12:47] <dope> yoyo, sometimes when amarok is playing and i do something else my music stutters.  is there a way to give amarok the highest priority so that doesn't happen?
[12:47] <Graham> Thing is, it takes me ages to get my wireless working because it acts like a bell end. I don't want it to screw with my wireless again.
[12:47] <N0Lif3|lappy> coreymon77: orly?
[12:47] <giovani> os2mac: most modern cards WON'T work
[12:47] <Graham> I say if it works, don't f*** with it.
[12:48] <giovani> they've gone with cheap broadcom chips
[12:48] <coreymon77> N0Lif3|lappy: no, airlink101
[12:48] <coreymon77> N0Lif3|lappy: it has an atheros chipset
[12:48] <os2mac> Daisuke... yes until the .5 version of network mangler but it's fixed again.
[12:48] <coreymon77> N0Lif3|lappy: worked out of the box in linux
[12:48] <coreymon77> N0Lif3|lappy: all it needed was an iwconfig command to enter my essid and wep key
[12:48] <os2mac> giovani.. I run broadcom and they work fine.
[12:48] <Daisuke_Ido> giovani: the newer pci linsys cards are ralink
[12:48] <xtreem> hey
[12:48] <Eyeless> how do i resume the upgrade if the updater crashed mid upgrade?
[12:49] <giovani> atheros is the best bet for modern cards -- and atheros supports injection
[12:49] <Eyeless> aptitude wont run
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> atheros is nice
[12:49] <xtreem> does anyone know how to use Kubuntu with QEMU?
[12:49] <giovani> err, injection while in RFMON*
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Eyeless: update-manager?
[12:49] <Eyeless> nor adept
[12:49] <dope> yoyo, sometimes when amarok is playing and i do something else my music stutters.  is there a way to give amarok the highest priority so that doesn't happen?
[12:49] <coreymon77> os2mac: no ndiswrapper with my card
[12:49] <dope> yoyo, sometimes when amarok is playing and i do something else my music stutters.  is there a way to give amarok the highest priority so that doesn't happen?
[12:49] <dope> wqoop
[12:49] <xtreem> ?
[12:49] <dope> s
[12:49] <Eyeless> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, that should be the one (the distro update tool)
[12:49] <os2mac> coreymoon77 nore me.
[12:49] <Graham> What does /etc/host.conf do again?
[12:49] <zblach> hey. congrats on the 704 release
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> Eyeless: will it run?
[12:50] <xtreem> I have the 6.06 LTS release CD, can I run this using QEMU somehow?
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> that reminds me, i need tunes
[12:50] <zblach> quick questionl w32codecs
[12:50] <zblach> there a feisty package?
[12:50] <N0Lif3|lappy> oh man, this upgrade is huge. this is going to take a while. :S
[12:50] <xtreem> ?
[12:50] <zblach> !w32codecs
[12:50] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[12:51] <Eyeless> Daisuke_Ido: cant find it, closest thing is update-mime
[12:51] <xtreem> anyone?
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[12:52] <xtreem> can I use QEMU with this?
[12:52] <xtreem> kubuntu 6.06 LTS release CD
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> why wouldn't you be able to?
[12:52] <coreymon77> N0Lif3|lappy: my card was less than $30 canadian and its the best wirelss card i have ever had
[12:53] <coreymon77> and i have had 4
[12:53] <xtreem> well how would I?
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i dunno
[12:53] <N0Lif3|lappy> coreymon77:  where did you buy it?
[12:53] <XrMb2> i need a Feisty 7.04-live-CD, does anyone know where i can find that..?
[12:53] <coreymon77> N0Lif3|lappy: its out of stock
[12:53] <xtreem> I know to type qemu.exe -L . -hda image_name.img, but what about for a CD?
[12:53] <Daisuke_Ido> XrMb2: this PAINS ME, but try kubuntu.org!
[12:54] <Daisuke_Ido> xtreem: i don't use qemu, so i have no idea what the options would be
[12:54] <xtreem> o
[12:54] <XrMb2> but i can't find a live-CD there for 7.04
[12:54] <xtreem> I'll google it
[12:54] <Daisuke_Ido> XrMb2: desktop = live
[12:54] <replman> Hi!
[12:55] <FireJet> replman: Hi?
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> about 8 hours, 50 minutes remaining
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to cry
[12:55] <FireJet> Er, for some reason Adept isn't doing an amazing job of upgrading. Isn't there a commandline to do it?
[12:55] <Daisuke_Ido> it's up to file 3 of 911 :)
[12:55] <FireJet> Daisuke_Ido: Dude, fast connection...
[12:56] <FireJet> Scratch that, it found it.
[12:56] <N0Lif3|lappy> i'm at 15 of 843 :S
[12:56] <kkathman> what is the name of the adept updater function? (not the package manager)
[12:56] <Graham> Daisuke_Ido: Don't run an programs that use too much internet.
[12:56] <Graham> any*
[12:56] <FireJet> Or not...
[12:57] <replman> I'm wondering where i can find the advertised button to install the proprietary nvidia-driver (kubuntu)
[12:57] <FireJet> kkathman: "adept_manager"
[12:57] <tmbg_> !repository
[12:57] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:57] <pvandewyngaerde> i found it at the hardware settings of my  video card
[12:57] <tmbg_> replman, ^
[12:57] <kkathman> thanx
[12:57] <_Neil> hey all, how can i run realplayer files in firefox?
[12:57] <_Neil> it tells me i need a plugin
[12:58] <FireJet> _Neil: Try installing the kmplayer or kaffeine plugin for Firefox
[12:59] <tmbg_> _Neil, read the following.
[12:59] <tmbg_> !codecs
[12:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:00] <_Neil> Ubuntu restricted extras
[01:00] <_Neil> will this add real?
[01:01] <FireJet> _Neil: It should...
[01:01] <replman> in settings -> Display -> Hardware i see the driver nv which seems not to be the proprietary nvidia-driver. When i choose settings i can choose NVIDIA GeForce4 (generic), but the driver stays the same
[01:02] <replman> do i have to download it from nvidia as i did with 6.04?
[01:02] <giovani> replman: you need to install nvidia-glx -- and then go into your xorg.conf and manually change the driver to "nvidia"
[01:03] <giovani> you may, if you wish, install the direct binary from nvidia -- it's newer, but it won't be installed using apt- so it won't be as easy to install, and remove
[01:03] <giovani> apt-get install nvidia-glx should be all you need to do
[01:03] <giovani> then ensure that "nvidia" is the selected driver
[01:03] <giovani> rather than "nv"
[01:03] <coreymon77> somehow i have i feeling that i should wait until tomorrow to upgrade
[01:04] <_Neil> I added restricted extras, but how do i use them?
[01:04] <_Neil> everything is just the same
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> giovani: that depends, does feisty include a newer driver than 8776?
[01:04] <giovani> http://packages.ubuntu.com/nvidia-glx
[01:04] <giovani> look for yourself
[01:04] <replman> in the description for the driver there is a hint to run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" after installing the driver...let's try
[01:04] <giovani> replman: you don't need to do that
[01:05] <_Neil> any ideas guys?
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> not the latest, but not too shabby
[01:05] <giovani> _Neil: you do an "apt-get update" like always to refresh the lists of packages
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> but...
[01:05] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: okay, now there is a new problem
[01:05] <_Neil> ahhh
[01:05] <giovani> Daisuke_Ido: it's never "the latest"
[01:05] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: i tried installing those new packages
[01:05] <replman> What's the difference between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new?
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: mmmhmm?
[01:05] <_Neil> I think i may already have it enabled from edgy then..
[01:05] <rubyn> is there someone that can send me the kubuntu7 dvd?
[01:05] <giovani> replman: no idea -- google it
[01:05] <giovani> bbl
[01:06] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: but it gave me an error, saying it couldnt, but now adept thinks it did, the update tool still wont open, and clicking full upgrade looks like its goonna upgrade everything
[01:06] <_Neil> need to get real working in firefox somehow... hmm
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: sudo apt-get -f install
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> then try again
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> "google it"
[01:07] <coreymon77> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 793 not upgraded.
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> so much for the famous ubuntu hospitality
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: cool, now sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:07] <Whiz2> anyone know how to install the GD module that was supposed to come with PHP5?
[01:07] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: what is going on her
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> (NOT dist-upgrade)
[01:07] <Whiz2> i somehow managed to not get it
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: adept is being evil
[01:07] <Sanne> Whiz2: usually those modules are separate installs
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like your sources are already set for feisty
[01:08] <Sanne> Whiz2: I try to find the package name for you, sec
[01:08] <Whiz2> ty
[01:08] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: why are a billion packages being held back
[01:08] <Sanne> Whiz2: feisty?
[01:08] <fignew> mirrors are so slow right now :(
[01:08] <Whiz2> huh?
[01:09] <Sanne> Whiz2: which kubuntu version do you use?
[01:09] <Whiz2> the one before feisty i think
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: because you didn't explicitly tell it to install those
[01:09] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: is this okay? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16455/
[01:09] <Whiz2> how do I find out?
[01:09] <Graham> Umm... I've got a very very very bad problem.
[01:09] <skript> damn, I hope feisty won't break my system like edgy did when I upgraded with command line apt-get
[01:10] <Whiz2> Sanne: how do i find out the version?
[01:10] <Sanne> Whiz2: doesn't matter anyway, I just see the package name is php5-gd (you said you want it for php5, yes?).
[01:10] <Graham> Update manager just error'd on me.
[01:10] <Graham> and It won't tell me why.
[01:10] <Sanne> Whiz2: lsb_release -a
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> that doesn't look right :\
[01:10] <Whiz2> yes
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: pastebin your sources.list
[01:10] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: what, the pastebin psot
[01:11] <Whiz2> dapper
[01:11] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: yup, they are all fesity
[01:11] <Jisao> do you have the torrent link for kubuntu?
[01:11] <Sanne> Whiz2: oh, that's two before feisty :). I'm also still on Dapper. So, install the package php5-gd
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> hrm
[01:12] <Whiz2> will that reinstall PHP5 or just the GD module?
[01:12] <Graham> Has anybody here tried updating to Fiesty with the web update and had the updater crash when installing the files?
[01:12] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: change em back?
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: yeah, you want to go back to edgy
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i think that's why you're not getting the updater
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and make sure you have the edgy-updates repo enabled
[01:12] <replman> seems nvidia-glx works find for me, tnx!
[01:12] <coreymon77> is there any way to change them all to edgy without having to manually do it
[01:13] <coreymon77> like a replace command
[01:13] <Sanne> Whiz2: just this module. There are still some more php modules that don't come installed by default, you can find them in adept or on packages.ubuntu.com. They start with php5.
[01:13] <replman> pretty fast ;-)
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> find and replace in kate
[01:14] <Whiz2> Sanne: ty one more question... once i install the module, doI need to configure anything in PHP5, or in Apache, or anywhere else to make it work on my server?
[01:14] <Sanne> Whiz2: if php and apache work now, they should continue to work. You might need to restart apache, however.
[01:15] <hueyg> Anyone have a second to help a windows traitor?
[01:15] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: okay, apt-get updating now
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> windows traitor?
[01:15] <Whiz2> changed from windows to linux huh?
[01:15] <Graham> Oh no no no no no!!!!
[01:15] <Sanne> Whiz2: usually the installation of the module should make sure it gets enabled.
[01:15] <hueyg> Trying to switch yes
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> switchers welcome :)
[01:15] <Whiz2> Sanne: ty
[01:15] <coreymon77> new converts always welcome
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> defeat the eeeeevil empire!
[01:16] <Sanne> Whiz2: you're welcome :)
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> or something like that
[01:16] <hueyg> not a computer idiot, but I am a Windows baby so that is my perspective
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> hueyg: i was too
[01:16] <hueyg> Here is my question
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i was a DOS baby, but i used windows for a long time...
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> go right ahead
[01:16] <hueyg> Running Dapper version of Ubuntu
[01:16] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: okay, apt-get updated and and apt-get upgrading the 4 kde packages left
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: there ya go :)
[01:17] <Whiz2> uh-oh... says there is a dependency problem on one of the files, but is removing it anyway... should i be worried? (apt-get install php5-gd)
[01:17] <Sanne> Whiz2: wait
[01:17] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: now the update tool will appear
[01:17] <coreymon77> \?
[01:17] <_Johny> I reinstalled kubuntu remaning my /home/ directory. Now Amarok doesn't run anymore
[01:18] <Sanne> Whiz2: (first, please type my name, in case you wanted to talk to me, so I get notified by my chat client). Can you paste the message to paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> you finished the apt-get upgrade
[01:18] <Aarin> hey ppl. i've got a question. when i try to install the kubuntu 7.04 alternate on my PIV 3.0ghz, i've got a question about my disc drive controler.
[01:18] <coreymon77> wait
[01:18] <coreymon77> almost
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> k
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> it won't yet
[01:19] <Aarin> i've got a ATA disc and a SATA disc
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> you'll have to launch the adept manager and fetch updates again
[01:19] <Whiz2> Sanne: You want me to paste the entire apt-get install message? I have the entire thing on my screen...
[01:19] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: okay, running adep\
[01:19] <Aarin> any ideias about what should I chose?
[01:20] <Sanne> Whiz2: well, if you can. But to paste.ubuntu-nl.org, not here.
[01:20] <Bebe_`> question: K3B does alow you to burn .iso's right?
[01:20] <Graham> Guys, my network upgrade of Fiesty threw an error, but it didn't say what went wrong, it downloaded the packages and was half way through installing them, what should I do?
[01:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Bebe_`: most certainly does :)
[01:20] <Bebe_`> Thanks
[01:20] <Bebe_`> :)
[01:21] <Aarin> there's a lot of stuff i don't know about, but there was a choice with the name: ide-scsi
[01:21] <Daisuke_Ido> re-run update-manager?
[01:22] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: working on it
[01:22] <Graham> Daisuke_Ido: Says that update-manager command isn't found.
[01:23] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: okay, now to try and get the release announcement
[01:23] <Daisuke_Ido> coreymon77: just keep retrying if it doesn't come through
[01:23] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: i know
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> but hey, farther than last time :)
[01:24] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: ice been througn this part before
[01:24] <rfarias> hello how can i upgrade to feisty release
[01:24] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: no, ive been through this part
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ...oh :(
[01:24] <kkathman> rfarias:  change your sources.lst, do an update and a dist-upgrade
[01:25] <slicknick> so is the a similar site to tinyurl but for images/screenshots?
[01:25] <Daisuke_Ido> slicknick: tinypic
[01:25] <rfarias> i already have the feisty beta..
[01:25] <Whiz2> Sanne: the URL is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16457/
[01:25] <rolando> hola
[01:25] <rfarias> hola
[01:25] <Sanne> Whiz2: looking...
[01:25] <rfarias> kkathman: already have the feisty beta version
[01:26] <rfarias> change source list?
[01:26] <rfarias> what source list?
[01:26] <rolando> if i get the feisty iso and install it over my edgy, is that a good thing?
[01:26] <slicknick> Daisuke_Ido: doesnt require registartion does it ?
[01:26] <Sanne> Whiz2: you mean the removal of libgd2-noxpm? Let's see what it does.
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't think so
[01:26] <rolando> en /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:26] <kkathman> rfarias:  if you have the beta installed, you should just be able to do a dist-upgrade then
[01:27] <Whiz2> Sanne: i thought it swaid GD dependeed on it?
[01:27] <kkathman> but check your sources anway just in case
[01:27] <Sanne> Whiz2: you're getting a new one called libgd2-xpm, I think that's related. Lets see what those do. Sec.
[01:27] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Ido: forget it, ill do it tomorrow
[01:27] <Graham> My update crashed, I think I can continue with apt-get dist-upgrade.
[01:27] <Aarin> can anyone help me?
[01:27] <Graham> Seems to be working.
[01:28] <rfarias> thanks
[01:28] <Whiz2> Sanne: How do I restart my Apache server?
[01:28] <Sanne> Whiz2: wait, I'm busy finding info about those packages :)
[01:28] <rfarias> so if i do sudo aptitude update and i haven't any upgrade
[01:29] <Whiz2> Sanne: ok
[01:29] <rfarias> i'm on upgrade?
[01:29] <slicknick> anyone seen rdesktop behave like this before?
[01:29] <slicknick> whoot
[01:29] <slicknick> shoot
[01:29] <david_> Hello, MySQLquestion here.... I know I can goto their site and download it but is there a package WITH Ubuntu i can use?
[01:29] <slicknick> cant paste hrm
[01:29] <Sanne> Whiz2: ah, seems a package gets replaced by another one with additional functionality. Look at those descriptions, old package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libgd2-noxpm   new package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libgd2-xpm
[01:30] <Random_Transit> hey, i'm having a huge problem upgrading to feisty....can anyone here help??
[01:30] <Whiz2> Sanne: brb looking...
[01:30] <Random_Transit> i'm using update-manager to do the upgrade
[01:30] <kkathman> Random_Transit:  we might, if you tell us the problem :)
[01:30] <wondering> How would I make a command line only LiveCD that's based on kubuntu-7.04-alternate.iso ?
[01:30] <wondering> I've tried Reconstructor, UCK, and a few others with no success.
[01:30] <Random_Transit> and it stops and gives me this error: and when it goes to
[01:30] <Random_Transit> err
[01:31] <Random_Transit> and it stops and gives me this error: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[01:31] <wondering> It would be a custom CD.
[01:31] <boggystudios> what should I type in to look at the partitioning scheme on the command line?
[01:31] <wondering> boggystudios: fdisk -l
[01:31] <Random_Transit> boggystudios df -h also works
[01:32] <david_> Can anyone please tell me where to get ubuntu's offical MySQL server package?
[01:32] <Whiz2> Sanne: Same package, different name? works for me lol Ok back to my last question. how do I restart the Apache server?
[01:33] <slicknick> anyone seen rdesktop behave like this before?  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4g9bnd1
[01:33] <slicknick> dual monitor
[01:33] <Sanne> Whiz2: no, the new one has xpm support, the old one not. Let me get you the apache restart command, sec.
[01:33] <Daisuke_Ido> weird.
[01:33] <Whiz2> Sanne: ty
[01:33] <Random_Transit> so, anyone got an answer for my question? sorry if i'm being overly persistant, but it's really bugging me
[01:34] <Sanne> Whiz2: do you have apache2 or apache?
[01:34] <Whiz2> Sanne: 2 i believe
[01:34] <Whiz2> Sanne: lemme double check
[01:35] <Sanne> Whiz2: ok
[01:35] <iain> hey guys quick question which is causing big problems over here
[01:35] <iain> i use my laptop in the lecture hall
[01:35] <iain> and I'm running kubuntu
[01:35] <iain> I've muted the speakers
[01:35] <iain> but can't figure out where the option to stop the system beep is
[01:35] <iain> ...
[01:35] <Whiz2> Sanne: Yeah it's apache2
[01:35] <iain> anyone know?
[01:36] <Sanne> Whiz2: the command is: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[01:37] <iain> ...please?
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> iain: no idea
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> in konsole?
[01:37] <Daisuke_Ido> or in the ttys?
[01:38] <Whiz2> Sanne: sudo: /etc/init.d/apache2 command not found <--- i'll just reboot the machine lol
[01:38] <massimiliano> ciao atutti
[01:38] <Daisuke_Ido> !it | massimiliano
[01:38] <ubotu> massimiliano: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:38] <Sanne> iain: quick search, dunno if it applies to kubuntu, hope it helps: http://khaoohs.wordpress.com/2006/06/11/howto-turn-off-mute-system-beep/
[01:39] <Sanne> Whiz2: that's very weird.
[01:39] <Sanne> Whiz2: you can also manage apache in kcontrol->services
[01:39] <Whiz2> Sanne: init.d never works for me
[01:40] <rafaello> hello, plugins for audio in mpeg and avi?
[01:40] <Sanne> Whiz2: it's : kcontrol->system administration->system services
[01:40] <Sanne> Whiz2: I wonder why...
[01:40] <Whiz2> Sanne: ty hang on lemme see if that'll work
[01:40] <underdog5004> my ISP is blocking my port 80...how can I get around this?
[01:40] <Aarin> ppl i need some help. what should I choose when the installer asks me which is my hard disk controller?
[01:40] <wondering> How would I make a command line only LiveCD that's based on kubuntu-7.04-alternate.iso ?
[01:40] <USMarine> use torrent
[01:40] <Graham> underdog5004: Ask them to unblock it.
[01:41] <underdog5004> Graham, yeah...that'll work
[01:41] <underdog5004> lol
[01:41] <underdog5004> graham, they block it so I can pay them to host a site...I think
[01:41] <Aarin> anyone?
[01:41] <USMarine> Aarin your chipset
[01:42] <Whiz2> Sanne: where do i find kcontrol?
[01:42] <Sanne> Whiz2: just type it in konsole for now
[01:42] <Aarin> i've got an PIV 3.0ghz. and ATA disk and an SATA disk
[01:43] <Aarin> this is asked in the alternate install
[01:46] <wondering> How would I make a command line only LiveCD that's based on kubuntu-7.04-alternate.iso ?
[01:46] <Graham> underdog5004: I know a site with awesome hosting.
[01:46] <Aarin> USMarine, your asking for the CPU chipset right?
[01:47] <USMarine> yes
[01:47] <rfarias> the upgrader for kubuntu doesn't wxist  for me
[01:47] <USMarine> i never used the alternate
[01:47] <USMarine> so i dunno what you're talking about
[01:47] <Aarin> USMarine, its an Pentium 4 at 3.0ghz so its 32bits.
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> so?
[01:48] <Aarin> USMarine, i've got an ATA disk and an SATA disk
[01:48] <Daisuke_Ido> what does 32 bit have to do with anything?
[01:48] <rfarias> how can i know if i've got the latest version of kubuntu
[01:48] <Aarin> so what do you mean exactly with the CPU chipset? example plz
[01:48] <rfarias> ???
[01:49] <N0Lif3|lappy> I use the plain clock type in kubuntu. How do I set it to a 12-hour time format. I'd prefer it to say 4:50 right now instead of 16:50..
[01:49] <N0Lif3|lappy> ?
[01:49] <Sanne> rfarias: what does this command tell you (if it's feisty, then it's latest): lsb_release -a
[01:49] <rfarias> right click on the clock and configure
[01:49] <Aarin> N0Lif3|lappy, no idea I prefer the 24h format :P
[01:50] <Whiz2> Sanne: ty according to the PHP forum i have on my server, the GD module is now installed. :-)
[01:50] <Daisuke_Ido> right click the clock > date & time format
[01:50] <N0Lif3|lappy> rfarias: and then? I see no 12-hour format option
[01:51] <Sanne> Whiz2: awesome! A tip: you can add this kcontrol app to the panel as an applet, it's called "settings, control center modules menu"
[01:51] <rfarias> Sanne: i download firsttime the beta, i'm still stay with it
[01:51] <rfarias> so i update some things
[01:51] <rfarias> but i dont know if i have the release verions
[01:51] <Sanne> rfarias: if you updated today, you should have the latest versions, as feisty is out.
[01:51] <Whiz2> Sanne: is there a way to acces from the k menu?
[01:52] <rfarias> i didn' update anithing from thursday
[01:52] <bridgette> what is the command to determine the version of kubuntu that I am currently running (terminal)
[01:52] <Aarin> USMarine, any ideia on what should I choose?
[01:52] <Sanne> Whiz2: I believe kubuntu uses the system settings app, and took out kcontrol. You can add it manually to the kmenu: open the menu, right click somewhere and choose "edit" to go to the menu editor.
[01:52] <USMarine> what options do you have
[01:53] <rfarias> Sanne: i didnt update anything from thursday+
[01:53] <Aarin> USMarine, lots of them. in the middle there are some options with the names: ide-disk, ide-scsi, ide-floppy
[01:54] <USMarine> load them all if you can
[01:54] <USMarine> it wont harm
[01:54] <Aarin> USMarine, the others i don't know them form anywhere.
[01:54] <Aarin> *from
[01:54] <Sanne> rfarias: hm, I don't know really, I'm still on Dapper. But if you had feisty beta you would get the release version now if you update. If there#s nothing to update, you already should have the latest of everything.
[01:54] <Whiz2> Sanne: tyvm for your help. I'm outta here
[01:54] <Sanne> Whiz2: you're welcome :)
[01:55] <rfarias> thanks Sanne
[01:55] <Sanne> dang too slow...
[01:55] <USMarine> Aarin load them all
[01:55] <rfarias> other question
[01:55] <ubuntu> Hey guys I'm installing Kubuntu 7.04 right now and the installation just got stuck at 82% ( Scanning the mirror...) what can I do :S ?
[01:55] <Sanne> rfarias: you're welcome also :)
[01:55] <rfarias> where can i get the typical kubuntu user #
[01:55] <kkathman> you can wait (everybody's hitting the mirror probably)
[01:55] <bridgette> what is the command to determine the version of kubuntu that I am currently running (terminal)
[01:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: wait on it, repos are toasted right now
[01:56] <ubuntu> Daisuke_Ido: ok... Thanks
[01:56] <orient2000> wait 5 minutes
[01:56] <rfarias> bridgette: lsb_release -a
[01:56] <bridgette> thanks!
[01:56] <Sanne> rfarias: what do you mean by that? You are an ubuntu user, I'm also.
[01:56] <rfarias> welcome :)
[01:56] <rfarias> yep but the counter
[01:56] <rfarias> for example kubuntu user #21433421
[01:56] <Skyblast> My distro upgrade is going at about 25k right now... I'm probably lucky I'm getting that much "_
[01:57] <Sanne> rfarias: you want to register at the ubuntu counter?
[01:57] <bridgette> interesting, it says Ubuntu 6.06.1, shouldn't that be Kubuntu?
[01:58] <rfarias> yep Sanne
[01:58] <Aarin> USMarine, the IDE ones or every single one of the list?
[01:58] <rfarias> but kubuntu counter XDexist?
[01:58] <Sanne> rfarias: you can do so here: http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
[01:58] <Aarin> USMarine, they are a lot of them (30 at least)
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> bridgette: same OS
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> different DE
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> that's all that's different between the two :0
[01:59] <bobby> should i upgrade or from scratch
[01:59] <Sanne> bridgette: we're all one happy family, after all ;)
[01:59] <bridgette> ah, so we are really ubuntu running a kde desktop - got it, I'm learning
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> bridgette: no worries, there's also xubuntu to confuse things even more
[01:59] <bridgette> yeah, i'm much happier now that vista has been removed from all partitions
[01:59] <chad_> whats up from maine i am trying to connect to irc.battlefoundry.net and am having a hard time whats going on?
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu with xfce
[01:59] <Sanne> bridgette: almost. We're running kde with customizations from kubuntu, to be exact.
[01:59] <rfarias> dime
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> from vista to kubuntu?  that IS an upgrade :)
[02:00] <Aarin> and nubuntu (ubuntu with fluxbox)
[02:00] <chad_> I seemed to have no prob getting on this server, am overlooking something
[02:00] <Daisuke_Ido> and edubuntu (ubuntu with a default set of education packages installed)
[02:00] <Sanne> bridgette: congrats and welcome to linux :)
[02:00] <tony134340> don't forget the gaybuntu distro
[02:00] <chad_> my usb auto mount broke with an upgrade and they have not fixed it
[02:00] <tony134340> christian ubuntu
[02:00] <bridgette> yes, i use linux at work and finally got brave enough to use it at home - thanks for the help guys!
[02:01] <tony134340> edubuntu
[02:01] <chad_> non secular kubuntu
[02:01] <bobby> has anyone tried to upgrade using the net
[02:01] <Daisuke_Ido> bobby: i'm working on it now
[02:02] <Daisuke_Ido> it's going to be a while before it's done
[02:02] <bobby> great let me know
[02:02] <Skyblast> I am upgrading now, It's a tiny bit better now but not much...
[02:02] <Skyblast> Seem to be getting around 25k
[02:03] <judgen> i iahve a scratch in my vrptch for a discussion? anyone up?
[02:03] <Aarin> i'm trying to install kubuntu again, wish me luck
[02:03] <Skyblast> And since I have ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu desktops... I don't think I'll be using Feisty tonight :)
[02:03] <cheeseboy> ugh it takes 20 min to install 1 thing today
[02:04] <judgen> i only have fluxbuntu and kubuntu
[02:04] <Skyblast> It took me like 15 minutes to get those >100k x11 update things at lunch
[02:04] <judgen> guessing the us servers are slow today
[02:04] <Skyblast> Whenever I reload, I'm not putting xfce back on. It keeps breaking on me.
[02:04] <judgen> ?
[02:05] <Skyblast> Everyone's trying to upgrade to Feisty judgen
[02:05] <rfarias> thnaks everyone
[02:05] <judgen> Skyblast:  apperantly its the DE that wosk best with beryl
[02:05] <rfarias> enjoy kubuntu and the family ubuntu
[02:05] <Daisuke_Ido> what's scary is more people are probably upgrading to feisty today than upgraded to vista in its first week
[02:05] <rfarias> XD
[02:05] <stoft> Daisuke_Ido: :-D
[02:06] <judgen> 244licenses of vista so far in china
[02:06] <judgen> lol
[02:06] <Daisuke_Ido> which equates to about...  500,000 copies in use :)
[02:06] <stoft> nn
[02:06] <kkathman> lol
[02:06] <Skyblast> I wonder what China is using... pirated Windows? Linux? BSD?
[02:06] <Skyblast> pirated Linux? :)
[02:06] <judgen> Skyblast:  its a mix
[02:06] <kkathman> Chinix ?
[02:06] <kkathman> Chibuntu ?
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> that sounds like a mexican dish
[02:07] <judgen> BSD  in china is ajoke
[02:07] <Skyblast> Maybe OS X is big over there.
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> Skyblast: i really doubt it because i don't think apple sells computers over there.
[02:07] <Daisuke_Ido> and if they did, the vast majority wouldn't be able to afford them anyway
[02:07] <Skyblast> Really? hmm
[02:08] <Pharsalus> Greetings, Is anyone else having problems installing the Ubuntu-restricted-extras package on Kubuntu 7.04?
[02:08] <judgen> Skyblast:  considering how much they have sol compared to TP in china (000.1) its nothing.
[02:08] <Skyblast> Yeah that's true. You pay nice change for that apple logo.
[02:08] <Graham> I made it!
[02:08] <madmike> almost time to upgrade oh yeah
[02:08] <Sanne> Graham: congrats
[02:08] <Daisuke_Ido> Graham:  :P
[02:08] <Graham> It's not all that different really.
[02:08] <Daisuke_Ido> now if i can finish the upgrade process
[02:08] <Skyblast> It looks like I am going to be upgrading for the next 8 hours.
[02:09] <judgen> a via-complete mobo costs 9 as a private person in korea
[02:09] <madmike> I'm just doing a fresh install
[02:09] <Skyblast> I probably should just do a fresh too, but meh.. I can be patient
[02:09] <BluesKaj> plenty of linux users in china according to reports , ...gov't is thinking  of banning it...it's like MS , the gov't can't control the spread of open source...goes against their policy
[02:10] <madmike> Just backed up the good stuff the ISO just finshed writeing now I'm off be back in a bit
[02:10] <Pharsalus> Any news links to back up the story on Chinese government banning open source?
[02:10] <BluesKaj> the internet is democratic , whether bejing likes it or not
[02:10] <judgen> BluesKaj: bullplop! they wont ban it, they will just restrict opensource to only do things legal in china (wich in their wright)
[02:11] <Graham> China has more problems to deal with than open source.
[02:11] <BluesKaj> i wish therm luck
[02:12] <judgen> BluesKaj: have you even read the stuf about chineese legislation?
[02:12] <replman> does anyone know how to enable beryl with kubuntu? I installed beryl-kubuntu using adept. Du i have to edit xorg.conf?
[02:12] <philphoto> have the Feisty developers ironed out all the wrinkles in the upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04?
[02:12] <Graham> See, what should of happened, is we just don't co-operate with them. They'll either need to relax their batty to keep the economy, or nuke the US.
[02:12] <dsmith> "One word around town is that Michael Dell himself uses the latest version of Ubuntu", I wonder if he has been here before.
[02:12] <BluesKaj> Pharsalus, i wish i had real proof ,but I'm justy quoting a guy who works with my daughter in TaiPei.
[02:12] <judgen> BluesKaj: the ammendum will completley stop all commercial endevours in china that don provide source to CCP
[02:13] <Graham> Thing is, people can leave China can't they. One of my dads friends married some chinese woman.
[02:13] <Pharsalus> Anyway, I have an issue with Adept/Ubuntu-restricted-extras package, I get the error cannot comit, break packages or something. Any ideas?
[02:13] <judgen> philphoto: you might not get the increasd bootup speed
[02:13] <jordo23> Happy release day...
[02:14] <bobby> i just look at the release note on ubuntu ,Do all these new features apply to kubuntu
[02:14] <tony134340> dsmith: not rumour, it says on the Dell site he uses it
[02:14] <judgen> Graham: before 1976 thoy couldnt legally do it
[02:14] <dsmith> ahhhhh coool
[02:15] <dsmith> philphoto: do you takes pictures of young lass's?
[02:15] <philphoto> judgen: bah, no big deal about increased boot speed.  I mean that bugs that caused me a few big problems  which forced a fresh install of 6.10
[02:15] <judgen> dsmith:  behave
[02:15] <Graham> Question, in adpet package manager on fiesty, what does the little kubuntu logo mean next to packages?
[02:15] <dsmith> judgen: I was asking a question
[02:15] <tony134340> how many here heard of k/ubuntu through digg.com?
[02:15] <dsmith> not I
[02:15] <Graham> Non.
[02:15] <philphoto> dsmith: i'm a professional.  I take photos of everything.
[02:16] <BluesKaj> tony134340,  ever heard of google :)
[02:16] <Graham> I heard of Ubuntu from a guy I used to know. Did custom levels for Wolfenstein - Enemy Territory, was a cool guy.
[02:16] <dsmith> ok, I have just seen that name before..
[02:16] <boggystudios> Is it not possible to run 'sudo fdisk -l' through ssh?
[02:16] <philphoto> dsmith:  this is who I am: http://www.americanphotojournalist.com/member.php?user=NMCB4PH2
[02:16] <tony134340> yeah, been using linux for years, but digg has an army of ubuntu fanboys
[02:17] <Graham> Doesn't digg also have an army of emos?
[02:17] <judgen> philphoto: except the update to upstart *.* version will make your distro an feisty with "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:17] <Graham> It'd suck to command an emo army, they'd get upset and kill themselves before battle.
[02:18] <tony134340> don't know, i'm not one of them
[02:18] <Jamie> Hi. Can I force the Feisty DVD to install the same programs as the CD, no more ?
[02:18] <judgen> the only reasons to take photos is to 1.show them off, 2. remember stuff. Test your skill
[02:18] <judgen> there are no other reasons
[02:19] <philphoto> judgen: last time I did it, it was fine for a few days then during an update of grub, the system returned a kernel panic error on reboot, & I couldn't for the life of me fix it
[02:19] <tony134340> Jamie, yeah, i think it does by default, don't quote me on it
[02:19] <judgen> Phildid you try to fix grib?
[02:20] <intelikey> well i'm back,   i think.
[02:20] <philphoto> I tried but couldn't get it done.  my computer magic is not that strong.  this is my first full month with linux
[02:20] <Jamie> tony... thx. I don't know which to download the CD or DVD... is there a list of differences, I couldn't find it.A?
[02:20] <steve_> test...can people see this?
[02:21] <Graham> steve_: No, have you tried changing your IRC settings?
[02:21] <jordo23> just to make sure....I can generate a feisty sources.list and dist upgrade that way right.....
[02:21] <intelikey> steve_ no
[02:21] <Jamie> Can someone please point me to the list of differences between the cd and dvd ?
[02:21] <steve_> ok so i guess no one in the support channels feels like helping me out
[02:21] <jordo23> are there any complications upgrading in that manner?
[02:21] <Graham> jordo23: Yeah, the update is basicly a package update but on a larger scale.
[02:21] <jordo23> Graham: thanks....that's what I thought, but I am such a chicken like that (lol)
[02:22] <jordo23> gotta make sure
[02:22] <intelikey> steve_ possably not.   what was the issue anyway ?
[02:22] <shawn34> so, anyone run the update yet?
[02:22] <tony134340> Jamie, i think the DVD has the main repository software, plus the alternate cd and server edition
[02:22] <jordo23> I can't get it running under Adept....is this because if overload?
[02:22] <steve_> well i'm trying this ubuntu out and i'm running into a lot of problems.  first of all i can't unmaximize my windows
[02:22] <steve_> i click maximize and then if i click the button again nothing happens
[02:23] <Jamie> tony... thnx again.
[02:23] <Jamie> bfn
[02:23] <jordo23> For me the automatic adept upgrader won't get past the announcement download....
[02:23] <LK> hi, I want to mount /dev/sda6 in live cd?
[02:23] <jordo23> Has anyone else seen this?
[02:23] <LK> its ntfs
[02:23] <shawn34> anyone have any issues with the feisty upgrade?
[02:23] <jordo23> shawn34: the automatic upgrader...
[02:24] <shawn34> jordo23, what about it?
[02:24] <intelikey> steve_ hmmmm never seen that,    try just resizing them ?       steve also if it's "ubuntu" not "kubuntu"  the help channel is  #ubuntu   for that.
[02:24] <BluesKaj> yeah shawn34, it upgraded without my knowledge :)
[02:24] <shawn34> lol
[02:24] <shawn34> hows that?
[02:24] <BluesKaj> 2 days ago
[02:25] <LK> hi, I want to mount /dev/sda6 in live cd, partition is ntfs I can mount it, but I have not root permisson to open?
[02:26] <intelikey> lk  sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /dev/sda6
[02:26] <BluesKaj> was running beta , morning upgrades came down with the official pkg but they didn't indicate that it was the final
[02:26] <LK> thanks
[02:27] <glock24> hola
[02:27] <intelikey> LK writing on ntfs from linux "may" cause errors on the ntfs
[02:27] <intelikey> LK just so you know.
[02:28] <LK> mount: can't find /dev/sda6 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:28] <intelikey> so supply the mountpoint also
[02:29] <LK> ok
[02:29] <LK> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[02:30] <intelikey> i thought you said it was mounted
[02:30] <LK> hmmm, I thought it was
[02:30] <intelikey> lk  sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/sda6 /<mountpoint>
[02:32] <LK> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda6
[02:32] <LK> what is going on?
[02:32] <hagabaka> how can I reset the KMenu entries according to which packages are installed?
[02:33] <intelikey> LK i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you have the wrong device
[02:33] <intelikey> LK sudo fdisk -l
[02:33] <voidmage> Is it just me or does anyone else feel kubuntu is missing out on a lot of stuff ubuntu has?
[02:33] <voidmage> such as the easy codec manger, restricted-manager, migration-assistant
[02:33] <voidmage> honestly, i think it a miracle kubuntu even got networkmanager
[02:33] <BluesKaj> voidmage, like what ?
[02:34] <flaccid> i agree
[02:34] <voidmage> The things that aren't gnome specific never even made it into kubuntu
[02:34] <flaccid> kubuntu doesn't exactly have admin features like that
[02:35] <LK> its the right device, I've checked with that command and looked in Konqueror
[02:35] <hagabaka> "Restricted Manager provides a Gnome user interface for configuring ..."
[02:36] <voidmage> Despite that restricted manager was originally made for gnome, I still feel there should be a kde port for it
[02:37] <hagabaka> that would probably be nice
[02:37] <voidmage> It seems like something that should Just Be There
[02:37] <hagabaka> what does it do anyway?
[02:37] <voidmage> manages restricted drivers
[02:37] <voidmage> such as nvidia
[02:37] <voidmage> Click a checkbox and it installs the driver and sets up your xorg.conf
[02:37] <BluesKaj> so , in kde what's to configure ? ... perhaps I'm missing something , but i find kde much more user friendly for us former widows users .
[02:37] <hagabaka> oh
[02:37] <LK> I've now tryed it on other partiton and on another drive! same result, if I put faluse dev in it says mount: special device /dev/XXXX does not exist
[02:37] <chemicalvamp> hmm windoze says 1.86 ghz.. kubuntu says 2193.702 mhz one more reason i prefer linux :)
[02:38] <voidmage> the easy codec manager should be there too, IMO
[02:38] <hagabaka> i don't like the "System Settings" thing
[02:38] <voidmage> amarok's mp3 download script doesn't work right half the time
[02:38] <voidmage> and the way it's set up in gnome now
[02:38] <voidmage> if you play a mp3
[02:39] <voidmage> gstreamer or whatever calls apt to download it
[02:39] <hagabaka> kcontrol is much easier to navigate for me, and more "complete"...
[02:39] <Admiral_Chicago> evening all
[02:39] <dec> anyone know how to upgrade to the new version, I went on the website and cannot get upgrade manager to show the updates
[02:39] <hagabaka> but for some reason i don't have a kmenu entry for kcontrol, only "System Settings"
[02:39] <voidmage> are you running edgy?
[02:39] <dec> yes
[02:40] <voidmage> hmm
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.04-release.php
[02:40] <Sanne> hagabaka: you can add kcontrol to your panel as an applet
[02:40] <Admiral_Chicago> does that help at all?
[02:40] <voidmage> did you add 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-pre-feisty-upgrade/ edgy main' to your sources.list?
[02:40] <hagabaka> i just want it in the menu. i could add that myself too, but shouldn't it be there by default?
[02:41] <voidmage> kubuntu by default uses systemsettings
[02:41] <voidmage> you could easily add it to the menu
[02:41] <hagabaka> i know
[02:42] <hagabaka> but why isn't it in the menu by default?
[02:42] <hagabaka> at least it should be in the Systems submenu
[02:42] <voidmage> Because kubuntu uses systemsettings by default
[02:43] <hagabaka> that doesn't mean a similar application should be "hidden"
[02:43] <hagabaka> if the user installs both, they probably want both
[02:43] <hagabaka> and even if i remove systemsettings, kcontrol doesn't get added to the kmenu automatically either
[02:43] <dec> is there a way to install the new version of ubuntu from terminal
[02:44] <voidmage> hagabaka: kubuntu-desktop also depends on kcontrol
[02:44] <shawn34> anyone kelp me out with Ktorrent? after the download finishes it stops uploading
[02:44] <hagabaka> and?
[02:44] <shawn34> and 'keep seeding after download finishes' is selected
[02:45] <BloodyTux> back
[02:45] <chemicalvamp> how is it possible to hide behind something clear?
[02:45] <chemicalvamp> PCI: Bus #06 (-#09) is hidden behind transparent bridge #05 (-#06) (try 'pci=assign-busses')
[02:46] <hagabaka> for a standard package like this, i think it should just come with a kmenu. requiring the user to add it themselves doesn't make sense...if they remove kcontrol, or if the executable name changes in the future, the user would be able to expected to maintain the menu entry too
[02:46] <intelikey> someone with an ntfs care to test this for me                  dd if=/dev/hda1 count=1 2>/dev/null | cut -c55-62 | grep T                       <<< assuming the ntfs is on hda1.   adjust accordingly
[02:46] <hagabaka> my sentence didn't make much sdnse :(
[02:47] <hagabaka> *the user shouldn't be expected to maintain the menu entry in case the executable changes name or the kcontrol package was removed
[02:48] <BloodyTux> !trivia
[02:48] <ubotu> The #ubuntu-trivia channel is a place for testing your brain power and having fun! We schedule themed quizzes, every Friday, to test your knowledge of your favourite operating system (Ubuntu, of course!) and keep you exercising those cranial muscles.
[02:49] <BluesKaj> !Kubuntu-Trivia
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-trivia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <BloodyTux> :)
[02:49] <Dragnslcr> Anybody happen to have the md5sum for the amd64 DVD image? I couldn't find it on the site
[02:49] <BluesKaj> those gnome luvers aren't a friendly bunch
[02:50] <intelikey> hagabaka install menu  the debian menu entry for kcontrol is in  kmenu > debian menu > apps > system
[02:51] <hagabaka> hmm, i don't see "debian menu"
[02:51] <intelikey> did you install menu  ?
[02:51] <tony134340> dl'ing kubuntu 7.04 right now, can someone tell me if it's worth the upgrade? from what I hear, ubuntu got all the new stuff
[02:51] <voidmage> yeah, kubuntu kind of got shafted
[02:51] <ash211> kubuntu has knetworkmanager, which I like
[02:51] <voidmage> still worth upgrading though
[02:52] <ash211> definitely
[02:52] <ash211> more fine-grained powermanager controls
[02:52] <BluesKaj> tony134340, they need it :)
[02:52] <voidmage> don't want to see kubuntu just get restricted-manager, etc in gutsy
[02:52] <voidmage> and still be a release behind
[02:52] <hagabaka> intelikey: i just reinstalled menu, and it's still not there...in the KDE Menu Editor, there's a Debian submenu, but nothing in it
[02:53] <voidmage> you need menu-xdg
[02:53] <giovani> would anyone mind checking out my feisty installation booting error? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=414249
[02:53] <intelikey> hagabaka then i don't know what they broke.    worked well in 6.6
[02:53] <hagabaka> menu-xdg isn't installed by default right?
[02:54] <voidmage> nope
[02:54] <voidmage> that's what gives the full debian menu
[02:54] <hagabaka> oh
[02:55] <intelikey> oh is it -xdg ?
[02:55] <intelikey> i think menu must have depended on it in dapper
[02:55] <intelikey> nope....   hmmm
[02:55] <giovani> well, unfortunately, I have to run -- but if anyone has any ideas -- please respond to that thread
[02:58] <BloodyTux> anyone need help
[02:59] <intelikey> apt-cache show menu    "Description: generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications Debian menu keeps transparently the menus in the different window-managers in sync with the list of installed programs."
[02:59] <intelikey> BloodyTux yeah care to test something ?
[02:59] <Pharsalus> Hi, noob question. I'm trying to install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package through add/remove programs, and I keep getting the error shown below. I'm using Kubuntu 7.04. Any assistance will be appreciated. "There was an error committing changes, possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[02:59] <BloodyTux> sure
[02:59] <intelikey> dd if=/dev/hda1 count=1 2>/dev/null | cut -c55-62 | grep T
[02:59] <BloodyTux> will it kill me?
[02:59] <intelikey> no
[02:59] <BloodyTux> whats it for?
[03:00] <intelikey> verifying the fs type
[03:00] <BloodyTux> Usage: grep [OPTION] ... PATTERN [FILE] ...
[03:00] <BloodyTux> Try `grep --help' for more information.
[03:00] <voidmage> Pharsalus: try installing it through the command line and see what happens
[03:00] <voidmage> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:00] <chemicalvamp> whats a good p2p?
[03:01] <voidmage> amule?
[03:01] <BloodyTux> i like frostwire
[03:01] <intelikey> BloodyTux oh i should have mentioned the device needs to be an ntfs partition.    asjust the  hda1 accordingly
[03:01] <BloodyTux> ...
[03:01] <chemicalvamp> yuo thats what i was thinking about
[03:01] <flaccid> !find azureus
[03:01] <ubotu> Found: azureus, azureus-gcj
[03:01] <flaccid> !info azureus
[03:01] <ubotu> azureus: BitTorrent client. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>repack1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 6922 kB, installed size 7780 kB
[03:01] <hagabaka> i see
[03:01] <BloodyTux> !frostwire
[03:01] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[03:01] <intelikey> dd if=/dev/sda1 count=1 2>/dev/null | cut -c55-62 | grep T    <<<< feisty maybe
[03:01] <BloodyTux> i'm not ntfs
[03:01] <BloodyTux> i'm ext3 or 2
[03:02] <intelikey> k i've tested there it returns silently
[03:02] <hagabaka> is it possible to let kmenu display the xdg menu at top level instead of its "own" content?
[03:02] <voidmage> no clue, never tried that
[03:02] <hagabaka> or is there an alternative applet that does it?
[03:02] <chemicalvamp> BloodyTux fdisk -l (thats an L) to see what your filesystems are
[03:02] <intelikey> should be
[03:03] <intelikey> chemicalvamp do you have any ntfs on your box ?
[03:03] <chemicalvamp> i have before, not anymore
[03:03] <intelikey> k
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> yay, up to 30% on the upgrade.  file 186 of 911 :\
[03:04] <intelikey> 911
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> 2am at the earliest :\
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> and i doubt i'll even be up then
[03:04] <chemicalvamp> Daisuke_Ido are you using the edgy -> feisty upgrade tool?
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> chemicalvamp: yes i am
[03:05] <intelikey> we may need to call that nine eleven number what was the number again ?
[03:06] <intelikey> ok like what's the number for nine one one </blond>
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa, the speed just peaked on me...  36kb/s
[03:07] <intelikey> short livedd
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> back to 20 :)
[03:07] <intelikey> ten times what i can get
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i should have just downloaded the alternate install cd and used that as a repo to upgrade
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> would have been so much faster
[03:08] <intelikey> you can always cancel at any time
[03:08] <intelikey> and resume when you want
[03:09] <intelikey> apt is kewl that way
[03:09] <Daisuke_Ido> then they need to fix the warning that says "once started you cannot stop and restart" :\
[03:09] <Endler> I'm wishing I would have done the same thing.  I'm 8 hours into my distro upgrade, and at 65%.
[03:10] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido lol  well maybe the script will puke  but normal  apt-get dist-upgrade works fine.
[03:10] <chemicalvamp> Daisuke_Ido i tryed the upgrade tool, got a fatal error at 99% of upgrade fubared everything.. had to reinstall edgy, and burn the feisty install disk
[03:11] <intelikey> yay go automatic krap
[03:11] <Endler> That will suck if it aborts at 99% after 12 hours.
[03:11] <the_hammer> hi how do i know if i got the latest and greatest kubuntu?
[03:11] <the_hammer> is there a command i know for kerns its uname -a
[03:11] <compilerwriter> Yes I have the iso that I am seeding on torrent and have burned a copy of it already.  Adept is getting file 1095 out 1347 or some such stuff.
[03:11] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[03:11] <chemicalvamp> its a long install online.. like 4 hours downloading (50-60 kbps) and lke 2 hour upgrade
[03:12] <gdiebel> the_hammer: kate -v
[03:12] <compilerwriter> Can I stop adept and use the iso image as source somehow without fubaring everything?
[03:12] <chemicalvamp> hehe fubar
[03:13] <the_hammer> Qt: 3.3.7
[03:13] <the_hammer> KDE: 3.5.6
[03:13] <the_hammer> Kate: 2.5.6
[03:13] <the_hammer> is that the latest?
[03:13] <gdiebel> yep
[03:13] <the_hammer> ok cool
[03:13] <the_hammer> just on the live cd now ill return in a bit
[03:13] <intelikey> compilerwriter idk.   some say it's a gastly thing.
[03:15] <soulrider_> hello
[03:15] <soulrider_> it seems lots of people gor feisty now, i can acces kubuntu.org! :P
[03:16] <compilerwriter> grr 1102 of 1307!  205 friggin files to go.  Whose idea was this freakin update tool anyway?
[03:17] <soulrider_> compilerwriter: i think youre upgrading to feisty ?
[03:17] <compilerwriter> More importantly, though; Why was I dumb enough to use it?
[03:17] <soulrider_> lol
[03:17] <compilerwriter> dapper to edgy was not this ugly.
[03:17] <soulrider_> dont you want feisty ?
[03:17] <soulrider_> well
[03:17] <intelikey> soulrider_ no.
[03:17] <soulrider_> lots of people are downloading, thats why its kinda slow
[03:17] <compilerwriter> Of course I want feisty.
[03:18] <CVirus> Any smooth upgrades yet ?
[03:18] <soulrider_> lol intelikey i know you dont :P
[03:18] <soulrider_> hi juan carlos
[03:18] <intelikey> CVirus how would we know ?    in a help channel    who joins to say    "i have no issues"   ?
[03:19] <Jucato> hi soulrider_
[03:19] <soulrider_> lol intelikey
[03:19] <compilerwriter> It is just ticking me off soulrider_ that I started adept thingy and then started up ktorrent merely to seed the thing for people.
[03:19] <compilerwriter> I have now burned a copy of the blasted iso disk.
[03:20] <compilerwriter> I have even seeded the thing more like 937 meg.
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, that wasn't the best idea, i don't think
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> :\
[03:20] <compilerwriter> jucato I am blaming myself for being dumb enough to use update program.
[03:20] <soulrider_> compilerwriter: well, you should ahve just downloaded hte iso
[03:20] <soulrider_> im gonna let it seed all night long
[03:20] <soulrider_> seeding is good, especially this sort of stuff
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[03:20] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not nice
[03:21] <Jucato> !adeptfix | Daisuke_Ido
[03:21] <ubotu> Daisuke_Ido: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:21] <BloodyTux> expo markers smell funny!!! 8D
[03:21] <Daisuke_Ido> that, um...  didn't work :\
[03:21] <compilerwriter> soulrider_ I figured it would take roughly the same amount of time.
[03:22] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido you are running the updater ?
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i was
[03:22] <soulrider_> compilerwriter: youre sure the uploading is not preventing you from downloading faster ?
[03:22] <BloodyTux> markers............
[03:22] <chemicalvamp> BloodyTux yes, and paint chips taste weird
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider_: i was maxing out at 20k/s with nothing else running
[03:22] <BloodyTux> gas tastes funny too
[03:22] <compilerwriter> My download speed is much faster than my max upload.
[03:22] <BloodyTux> so does crayons
[03:22] <BloodyTux> except macaroni ones
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> ooookay
[03:23] <soulrider_> the thing is theres TONS of people downloading from the servers, so speeds arent probably too good
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> can we get a straitjacket for this guy?
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider_: exactly, so i'm dropping the updater and going the fun way
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> install from a live cd
[03:23] <ned__> does kubuntu 7.04 have a restrcted drivers manager like ubuntu 7.04?
[03:23] <BloodyTux> i already am strait
[03:23] <CVirus> ned__: Is this an IQ test ?
[03:23] <BloodyTux> :D
[03:24] <compilerwriter> I have throttled back my upload to only 100k and I have limited the peers to 40 so I doubt it is affecting me much.
[03:24] <ned__> CVirus: what do you meant?
[03:24] <soulrider_> compilerwriter: you can upload REALLY fast!
[03:24] <CVirus> ned__: re-check your statement
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> *only* 100k?
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> blah
[03:24] <compilerwriter> I am supposed to have 160k upload speed so I should be getting my requests to the servers through.
[03:24] <ned__> CVirus: *restricted
[03:25] <soulrider_> holy crap man, my connections maxes out at 12
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ned__: what he meant to say is "yes" because kubuntu is a version of ubuntu
[03:25] <intelikey> CVirus yes and you failed.
[03:25] <BloodyTux> #kubuntu-asylum
[03:25] <chemicalvamp> my old internet connection was 7mbps down and 3 mbps up.. i miss it soo much
[03:25] <Alethes> is it possible for me to donwnload all the packages for an upgrade to feisty with adept without actually installing them right away?
[03:25] <ned__> how do i access it in kubuntu?
[03:25] <intelikey> ned__ any thing in ubuntu "can" be installed in kubuntu also   but by default,  i think not.
[03:25] <CVirus> intelikey: seems so ... just noticed .. LOL
[03:26] <ned__> ok
[03:26] <BloodyTux> ... chemical you wack
[03:26] <Eyeless> !codec
[03:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:27] <BloodyTux> #kubuntu-expomarkersniffinggroup
[03:27] <soulrider_> i think we dont have to enable repos anymore
[03:27] <ned__> i'm installing "restricted-manager" now, i assume it's what i am looking for
[03:27] <ned__> the servers are choked up
[03:27] <BIoodyTux> dont listen to him! he's evil
[03:27] <BloodyTux> ...
[03:27] <BloodyTux> omg
[03:27] <arunkale> Umm, I can't install updates on Edgy after I got a 'can't connect to server' error during upgrading to feisty last night
[03:28] <BloodyTux> #markersniffers
[03:28] <arunkale> it;s not even fetching the headers properly
[03:28] <Daisuke_Ido> arunkale: check your sources.list
[03:28] <BloodyTux> #kubuntu-i-eat-paint
[03:28] <soulrider_> BloodyTux: chill out a bit dude
[03:28] <Daisuke_Ido> chances are you can't get edgy updates because all of your repos are now set to feisty :)
[03:28] <BloodyTux> that one was chemicals
[03:29] <compilerwriter> soulrider_ in ktorrent terms what does choked mean and what does snubbed mean?
[03:29] <arunkale> Daisuke_Ido: thanks
[03:29] <tony134340> just asking a quick opinion: has anyone here tried ubuntu and is kubuntu much better than ubuntu?
[03:29] <intelikey> tony134340 no
[03:29] <BloodyTux> MUCH BETTER
[03:29] <Daisuke_Ido> tony134340: it's a matter of preference
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> do you like gnome or kde?
[03:30] <BloodyTux> #ubuntuusersofdoom
[03:30] <compilerwriter> I started with ubuntu tony134340 and changed to kubuntu.  Kubuntu is much better.
[03:30] <unix_infidel> !minimal
[03:30] <tony134340> i tried it and i hate to say, i just prefer the look of KDE and the configurations
[03:30] <ubotu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[03:30] <intelikey> tony134340 one leg is both the same.
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> tony134340: then this is where you belong
[03:30] <BloodyTux> !sharpies
[03:30] <BloodyTux> :(
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sharpies - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> we're kde dorks
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> except for intelikey over there, he refuses to touch a gui at all.  i think he just comes here because he's lonely
[03:30] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[03:31] <intelikey> :)
[03:31] <Eyeless> how do i set the default movieplayer for firefox? (its currently toten, but i want to use my player-plugin)
[03:31] <BIoodyTux> how do you un-kickban somebody?
[03:31] <arunkale> ok now it's downloading updates, but still it's way slower than usual
[03:31] <arunkale> are their servers taking a lot of heat
[03:31] <arunkale> coz of the feisty upgrade
[03:31] <BloodyTux> yea you kicked me
[03:31] <BloodyTux> !!!
[03:31] <tony134340> i was just wondering if there was some uber reason or like mine, it just looks and feels better but i haven't used gnome but a few hours over a few years
[03:32] <BloodyTux> #pie
[03:32] <soulrider_> does anyone know whent he next LTS release is comming ?
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> arunkale: more people are downloading feisty *right this second* than have bought vista in all of china
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> soulrider_: feisty+1
[03:32] <arunkale> tony134340: gnome is orange and brown. do you really want that? :p
[03:32] <Daisuke_Ido> well, gutsy
[03:32] <BloodyTux> #goodpie
[03:32] <tony134340> Daisuke_Ido, i was told that number was due to an error in translation or something. vista sucks, but still, hard to believe it's in the lower hundreds
[03:32] <arunkale> I don't care about Vista
[03:32] <soulrider_> it forwards me to #ubuntu
[03:33] <tony134340> arunkale, no, i couldn't stand it
[03:33] <soulrider_> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, totally pwnt
[03:33] <arunkale> tony134340: I got OS X like font rendering on my Kubuntu, and every thing looks awesome
[03:33] <arunkale> the icons, everything
[03:33] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, here's another one that may be a little more relaistic and closer
[03:34] <Daisuke_Ido> more people have downloaded feisty today than bought vista in the first week of its release (not including oem, of course)
[03:34] <BloodyTux> i like my channels
[03:34] <soulrider_> arunkale: my KDE looks sexy
[03:34] <intelikey> tony134340 let me nut shell this for you   ubuntu is a GNU-Linux distrobution that uses a default DE of gnome and the name is altered to reflect other optional defaults   such as KDE kubuntu  XFCE xubuntu   and  ED (edcational) edubuntu    it's all one distro.
[03:34] <tony134340> arunkale, yeah, i wish it came like that by default. my last install i configured it as such and it was great
[03:34] <BloodyTux> !sharpies
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sharpies - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <arunkale> soulrider_: I hear you man
[03:34] <BloodyTux> !markers
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about markers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <BloodyTux> !paint
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about paint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <BloodyTux> !drugs
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drugs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <BloodyTux> !nothing
[03:34] <ubotu> Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.
[03:34] <Daisuke_Ido> o wpi;dm
[03:34] <soulrider_> BloodyTux: seriously, chill out
[03:34] <Daisuke_Ido> okay
[03:34] <intelikey> !ops
[03:34] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[03:34] <BloodyTux> sorry i'll stop
[03:35] <Daisuke_Ido> time to LOOK for the home row before typing :\
[03:35] <tony134340> intelikey, thanks, but i already knew the basic diffs
[03:35] <BIoodyTux> stop eating paint that is
[03:35] <soulrider_> oh my, intelikey is mad :P
[03:35] <nixternal> BIoodyTux: please stop
[03:35] <soulrider_> !schedule
[03:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[03:35] <BIoodyTux> eh, shugs*
[03:36] <DShepherd> where can i find a torrent for kubuntu?
[03:36] <Daisuke_Ido> jmaybe at kubuntu's site?
[03:36] <nixternal> DShepherd: what is your location? country wise?
[03:36] <arunkale> i'm on a dual boot right now, coz i need to run illustrator and photoshop. i know there are other software, but just not as widely used as these two. once there is a linux port of these applications (i hope there is), i don't have any reason to use any other application
[03:36] <soulrider_> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[03:36] <DShepherd> nixternal, jamaica
[03:36] <Daisuke_Ido> and...  i'll be back!
[03:36] <nixternal> ftp.ussg.iu.edu has torrents, and they are fast as long as they are flooded still
[03:37] <soulrider_> nixternal: do you think you can add a link for the torrents on the MOTD? or maybe on the kubuntu site, so servers dont suffer that much
[03:37] <BloodyTux> sorry
[03:37] <nixternal> oh well
[03:38] <lnxkde> sup nixternal
[03:38] <lnxkde> :-)
[03:38] <nixternal> hola lnxkde
[03:38] <soulrider_> can anyone change the topic or something? =/
[03:38] <lnxkde> nixternal, todo bn?
[03:38] <soulrider_> hola muchachos :)
[03:38] <nixternal> nada
[03:38] <nixternal> haha
[03:38] <lnxkde> :-D
[03:38] <lnxkde>  /join #lnxkde-spanishparty
[03:39] <nixternal> argh
[03:39] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:39] <nixternal> nalioth: I got it
[03:39] <arunkale> I just tried to upgrade again, it says 'cannot download the release announcement'
[03:39] <arunkale> why would it do that to me?
[03:39] <lavid> so, i seem to be having a lot of permissions issues since i did a clean install of kubuntu 7.04 today. i can't run this GLUT program i wrote and when i try to install vmware-workstation with the perl install script i get: bash: ./vmware-install.pl: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[03:40] <nixternal> that needs to be shortened. I will leave that for another day
[03:40] <soulrider_> lavid: you need to chmod that file first
[03:41] <soulrider_> and run it with sudo
[03:41] <gnomefreak> maybe drop the feisty out <link> and just put the link to get it
[03:41] <gnomefreak> but really im off to bed
[03:41] <lavid> soulrider_: ya lo hice / i already did that
[03:41] <nixternal> ya
[03:41] <lavid> chmod a+x ./vmware-install.pl right?
[03:41] <yotux> Have a daul core notebook should I stick with i386 or go for 64 bit?
[03:41] <soulrider_> lavid: check that the install script isnt corrupt, it may be a problem with the interpreter
[03:42] <nixternal> a lil better
[03:42] <soulrider_> i sould do chmod +x
[03:42] <soulrider_> with sudo
[03:42] <lavid> soulrider_: yeah, already did that
[03:42] <soulrider_> yotux: i would do x86
[03:42] <lavid> yotux: i agree there, go x86
[03:43] <yotux> soulrider_:  That is what I was thinking 64bit it still a little beta when it comes to the software market
[03:43] <intelikey> lavid and    ./vmware-install.pl
[03:43] <intelikey> ?
[03:43] <lavid> intelikey: huh?
[03:43] <yotux> intelikey: are you trying to install vmware?
[03:43] <intelikey> you chmoded it to executable   did you run it ?
[03:44] <lavid> intelikey: of course
[03:44] <intelikey> yotux not i
[03:44] <lavid> yotux: i am
[03:44] <intelikey> lavid any errors ?
[03:44] <lavid> same ones
[03:44] <yotux> I have done it once before in beta
[03:44] <soulrider_> lavid: pastebin the script
[03:45] <lavid> comming right up...
[03:45] <intelikey> lavid did you     sudo ./vmware-install.pl   ?
[03:45] <intelikey> or as root run it ?
[03:45] <bluewave> is it possible to make so when I hold down the power button it doesn't shut down?
[03:45] <lavid> i'm root
[03:46] <intelikey> no i am.
[03:46] <intelikey> oh nm
[03:46] <lavid> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16472/
[03:46] <arunkale> man, i just can't upgrade. maybe i should try after a while.
[03:47] <aaroncampbell> Has anyone here used lightscribe on Kubuntu?
[03:47] <intelikey> lavid ok was was the exact error message
[03:48] <Dragnslcr> aaroncampbell- no, but I just got a new burner with it, so I'd be interested in knowing if it works
[03:49] <aaroncampbell> Dragnslcr: well, they offer an rpm of whatever software you use...but last time I tried converting an RPM, I spent a week in here trying to get it straightened out
[03:49] <SCORules> I have insider information on SCOX stock. SCOX stock is predicted to increase by four fold after SCO's motion on Monday.
[03:50] <kelvie_> how do you install firefox? :/
[03:50] <intelikey> !ff
[03:50] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[03:50] <kelvie_> adept shows me zero new packages
[03:50] <kelvie_> that I can install
[03:50] <nixternal> kelvie_: edgy or feisty?
[03:50] <kelvie_> feisty
[03:51] <nixternal> did you select it via adept and install it?
[03:51] <intelikey> all up to date i guess
[03:51] <kelvie_> I've used kubuntu edgy in the past.. it wasn't this screwed up :/
[03:51] <Dragnslcr> aaroncampbell- I dunno, I'm just putting together a new computer to install Feisty on, so I haven't actually gotten to try anything out yet
[03:51] <kelvie_> nixternal: it's not even there
[03:51] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:51] <lavid> intelikey: root@lavid-laptop:/media/disk/vmware-distrib# ./vmware-install.pl
[03:51] <lavid> bash: ./vmware-install.pl: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[03:51] <nixternal> !info feisty firefox
[03:51] <ubotu> Package feisty does not exist in feisty
[03:51] <nixternal> wow
[03:51] <nixternal> !info firefox feisty
[03:51] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 9011 kB, installed size 28600 kB
[03:51] <nixternal> had it backwards
[03:51] <lavid> i'm going to grab some dinner... brb
[03:51] <nixternal> it says it is there
[03:51] <intelikey> lavid ok it's perl.    which perl
[03:51] <kelvie_> apt-get install doesn't work either
[03:51] <TheDebugger> !info epiphany feisty
[03:51] <kelvie_> are my repos screwed up?
[03:51] <ubotu> epiphany: clone of Boulder Dash game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-4 (feisty), package size 63 kB, installed size 236 kB
[03:51] <kelvie_> I didn't mess with anything
[03:51] <nixternal> kelvie_: make sure you have universe repos added
[03:51] <kelvie_> fresh install
[03:52] <kelvie_> won't even let me install synaptic
[03:52] <nixternal> fresh install should have universe and multiverse added unless they changed something
[03:52] <kelvie_> it says it's added
[03:52] <yotux> nixternal: last time I installed it was enabled
[03:52] <kelvie_> adept says 881 isntalled, 0 upgradeable, 881 available
[03:52] <nixternal> yotux: ya same here
[03:52] <kelvie_> installed*
[03:52] <kelvie_> something's screwed up with my install :/
[03:53] <nixternal> kelvie_: ahhh, you have a filter on that's why
[03:53] <kelvie_> how do you screw up such a simple install
[03:53] <yotux> back later updated desktop
[03:53] <kelvie_> oh... how do I turn it off?
[03:53] <nixternal> I don't use adept and such, apt-get only
[03:53] <nixternal> actually, you said apt-get doesn't work either
[03:53] <kelvie_> yeah
[03:53] <kelvie_> how do I update my sources list or whatever?
[03:53] <nixternal> it seems it is reading the CD only and not the rest of the repos
[03:53] <kelvie_> yeah :/
[03:54] <soulrider_> i wonder why there are no links to torrents on the kubuntu download site for CDs, only DVDs
[03:54] <Noldoaran> quick question: If I get kde4 from the repositories does it add it as another option in kdm? or in other words, does it take place of my current kde install?
[03:55] <kelvie_> k I'm doing a apt-get update
[03:55] <kelvie_> it's downloading things so I'm optimistic
[03:55] <intelikey> Noldoaran replaces
[03:55] <nixternal> ya, but adept should have fetched updates I would think, unless you didn't tell it to
[03:56] <Noldoaran> ok.. bummer, I want to try it out, but I don't want to totally commit to it
[03:56] <intelikey> i stand under you.
[03:56] <kelvie_> adept's not exactly very configureable.. it seems
[03:57] <Daisuke_Ido> grr
[03:57] <Dragnslcr> soulrider_- I think the mirrors should have the .torrent files
[03:57] <Daisuke_Ido> don't shoot me, i'm going to fix the topic.
[03:57] <intelikey> nixternal  -:- Topic (#kubuntu): changed by ajnewbold: lols
[03:57] <intelikey> sorry.
[03:57] <nixternal> wth
[03:57] <Dragnslcr> soulrider_- couple random mirrors I just checked have the .torrent files
[03:57] <Daisuke_Ido> just a drive-by topic changing
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> mode +t
[03:58] <nixternal> I didn't even catch that
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> +nt even
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> no outside messages, ops change topic
[03:58] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I kinda wondered why this channel isn't +t
[03:58] <Dragnslcr> I assumed there was a reason
[03:59] <dcosson> anybody else have problems with the gui updater crashing at the end of the 7.04 update?
[03:59] <Noldoaran> intelikey: how would i swich back to KDE 3.5.6 if I decide too?
[03:59] <nixternal> we might have to make it +t if people can't stop playing with it
[03:59] <nixternal> I would rather just ban them for it and fix it back ;)
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought +t was more or less the default
[03:59] <intelikey> Noldoaran uninstall and then install from the repos
[03:59] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, +t usually is the default
[04:00] <Dragnslcr> It's easier than filling up the ban list
[04:00] <nixternal> ya, we remove it here...we are all about free :)
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> open source topic
[04:00] <Noldoaran> intelikey: repos?
[04:00] <Daisuke_Ido> clever
[04:00] <Dragnslcr> I know how much fun it is to ban people though
[04:00] <nixternal> Daisuke_Ido: hahah, I guess ;)
[04:00] <Dragnslcr> I miss being an op in a large channel
[04:00] <intelikey> !repos | Noldoaran
[04:00] <nixternal> I don't
[04:00] <ubotu> Noldoaran: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:00] <chemicalvamp> lol cuz you are one
[04:01] <ZomgEternalKorea> Anyone can help me with wireless problems? :o
[04:01] <chemicalvamp> how can you miss something your not currently without?
[04:01] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea i might, whas up
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: back in my days on another network, i was an op in a fairly sizable channel (about 200 people usually), and got bored.  so i started banning for the strangest things
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> like banning anyone that said flower
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> for instance
[04:02] <Noldoaran> intelikey: ok, thanks
[04:02] <intelikey> Noldoaran np
[04:02] <ZomgEternalKorea> Well, i installed a new rooter, set it up correctly ( i hope ) i got my wan working and set up my wireless too with a 128 bit ascii key
[04:02] <Daisuke_Ido> ...i didn't stick around for very long after that :\
[04:02] <CVirus> How were the Kontact,Konqueror,Kopete and amaroK buttons grouped in the way in this snapshot http://kubuntu.org/images/feistydistup.png
[04:02] <ZomgEternalKorea> Wireless assistant can see the signal
[04:02] <Daisuke_Ido> quick launcher
[04:02] <ZomgEternalKorea> but when i get connection failed when i try to connect on it.
[04:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't even have to look at the picture :)
[04:02] <ZomgEternalKorea> using the good WEP key
[04:02] <Jucato> CVirus: Quick Launcher applet on kicker
[04:03] <vr_> hey guys, at which speed should i burn my ISO?
[04:03] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea on wireless assistant?
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> ZomgEternalKorea: i firmly believe that linux hates WEP
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i had the same problem
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> and still do
[04:03] <kelvie_> :O is the "System Settings" a replacement for the KDE control center?
[04:03] <chemicalvamp> knetworkmanager helps
[04:03] <CVirus> Jucato: Thanks alot
[04:03] <nixternal> vr_: whatever speed your burner and CD can do
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> kelvie_: kcontrol's still there
[04:03] <kelvie_> ah :p
[04:03] <nixternal> I am a 52x burning type dude myself, I hate waiting
[04:03] <Daisuke_Ido> just not the default
[04:03] <vr_> nixternal: should i just leave it at "auto" in k3b?
[04:03] <ZomgEternalKorea> Yeah
[04:04] <ZomgEternalKorea> Kubuntu's wireless assistant
[04:04] <nixternal> vr_: yup
[04:04] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea are you on edgy or feisty?
[04:04] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke_Ido- I was an op in #php over on EFNet. We didn't need to make up reasons to ban people there
[04:04] <vr_> nixternal: someone told me i should burn it at a low speed. but when i do that, it errors out, it can't verify the cd
[04:04] <ZomgEternalKorea> No idea, but i think i'm on edge.
[04:04] <ZomgEternalKorea> edgy*
[04:04] <Jucato> nixternal: isn't the lowest speed recommended when burning ISO's
[04:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i may have to drop feisty on the laptop then :D
[04:05] <intelikey> kelvie  alt+f2  type in: kcontrol  on any kde as far as i know, will get you the app
[04:05] <chemicalvamp> to get my wireless assistan to work right, i have to manualy set it up, but knetworkmanager does it automaticly
[04:05] <nixternal> Jucato: who lives by recommendations? if we did, we would all be using Vista right now
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, sh....
[04:05] <ZomgEternalKorea> How could i know actually?
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i forgot about this...
[04:05] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[04:05] <vr_> Jucato: what speed do you burn at?
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> Configuring apt, Scanning the mirror...
[04:05] <ZomgEternalKorea> ok, sec
[04:05] <Daisuke_Ido> i THOUGH it would be quicker this way :(
[04:05] <Jucato> vr_: the lowest that the CD can burn (4x or 8x depending on the CD)
[04:05] <arunkale> question for everyone: what are your window decoration themes of choice?
[04:06] <ZomgEternalKorea> couldnt find the package
[04:06] <ZomgEternalKorea> :o
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> arunkale: crystal
[04:06] <intelikey> Jucato 8x> seems to be recommended in most cycrles  for burning system disks.
[04:06] <Jucato> nixternal: hm...  most standards are recommendations... (like w3c...)
[04:06] <vr_> on the cd it just says, 52x...
[04:06] <Skyblast> Whatever Edgy has as default I like
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that is the most clever spelling i've seen :)
[04:06] <Dragnslcr> I figure after I get my new system put together and get Feisty installed, I'll get to hang out here and ask all kinds of stupid questions
[04:06] <nixternal> Jucato: standards and rules were made to be broken
[04:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Skyblast: pretty sure the default's crystal
[04:06] <Skyblast> I wish I could find a way to "backport" it to my Dapper machine at work
[04:06] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea sudo apt-get update
[04:06] <ZomgEternalKorea> ok
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> Skyblast: kde-look
[04:07] <vr_> i already got 2 coasters trying to burn at 8x
[04:07] <nixternal> since CD burners were made, I have always burned ISOs at the maximum speed my burner and CD could handle
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> err
[04:07] <vr_> :\
[04:07] <ZomgEternalKorea> well...
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.kde-look.org
[04:07] <ZomgEternalKorea> i cant download updates since my internet wont work.
[04:07] <nixternal> I just buned 50 Kubuntu x86/amd64 CDs today at 52x each
[04:07] <nixternal> no way I was going to do them at 8x
[04:07] <vr_> nixternal: do thoze cds work on slower machines?
[04:07] <Daisuke_Ido> still scanning the mirror :\
[04:07] <vr_> those*
[04:07] <aaroncampbell> if I install automatix to try the lightscribe support, and it messes something up, how hard would it be to remove it?
[04:08] <nixternal> they work on my laptop which only has 24x
[04:08] <intelikey> vr_  8x or less  heavy on the or less
[04:08] <Daisuke_Ido> you can get the lightscribe support elsewhere
[04:08] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea your going to have to manualy set up your IP, gateway and primary DNS
[04:08] <ZomgEternalKorea> ah
[04:08] <vr_> intelikey: my burner doesn't support anything lower than 8x
[04:08] <ZomgEternalKorea> ok
[04:08] <nixternal> aaroncampbell: removing all of the errors that automatix creates is about as easy as pulling a hair from a lions tail
[04:08] <vr_> intelikey: and when i try 8x, it becomes a coaster :(
[04:09] <intelikey> vr_ hummm  didn't know anything didn't support 1x
[04:09] <nixternal> there is lightscribe in feisty, someone at my LUG does it every rip
[04:09] <nixternal> 1x burning would cause me to hang myself
[04:09] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea do you know how>
[04:09] <aaroncampbell> nixternal: I'd LOVE to know how
[04:09] <nixternal> with a rope
[04:09] <aaroncampbell> nixternal: how to use lightscribe
[04:09] <nixternal> oh
[04:09] <nixternal> haha
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> 80 minutes per cd
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i was stressed when i had 4x as my max speed
[04:10] <nixternal> aaroncampbell: lemme see if he is in the lug chan or one of our ghetto channels
[04:10] <nixternal> aaroncampbell: you asked for it ;p
[04:10] <Noldoaran> upgrading from edgy just requires changing all the lines in sources.list to feisty and doing a full upgrade in adept, right?
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> but it was cool.  i could burn cds!
[04:10] <ZomgEternalKorea> Yeah.. i just did it.
[04:10] <aaroncampbell> nixternal: I'd appreciate it, and I agree...I was too slow on the draw...
[04:10] <nixternal> the message is out, now I just need to wait for him to answer
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> finally, downloading package lists!
[04:10] <ZomgEternalKorea> I filled ip/netmask/gateway/primary dns
[04:10] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea get it w?orkin
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> \o/
[04:10] <ZomgEternalKorea> it didnt work
[04:10] <ZomgEternalKorea> i dont know domain/broadcast
[04:11] <nixternal> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:11] <intelikey> lavid can you post the error message one more time please     only the error line.
[04:11] <nixternal> if you are on a 192.168.1.x network
[04:11] <ZomgEternalKorea> thats domain?
[04:11] <ZomgEternalKorea> I am
[04:11] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea yeah IP and broadcast are the same
[04:11] <ZomgEternalKorea> ok
[04:11] <lavid> bash: ./vmware-install.pl: /usr/bin/perl: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[04:11] <chemicalvamp> i dont have to enter domain, but i dont know about your network
[04:11] <nixternal> lavid: you need to apt-get install build-essentials
[04:11] <lavid> did that already
[04:11] <intelikey> lavid that's saying that it can't run /usr/bin/perl
[04:12] <nixternal> orly, and you are using the howto from the forums or the wiki?
[04:12] <Dragnslcr> nixternal- if you think of it, beep me if you find out anything about Lightscribe. I'd like to try it out too
[04:12] <nixternal> I will do that Dragnslcr
[04:12] <ZomgEternalKorea> meh
[04:12] <ZomgEternalKorea> it doesnt work.
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> me too, will someone buy me a lightscribe drive?
[04:12] <ZomgEternalKorea> Imma try again later, or just install another distro
[04:12] <intelikey> lavid   ls -l /usr/bin/perl
[04:12] <nixternal> Daisuke_Ido: they are less than $30 all day now on newegg
[04:12] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea if you dont have internet, how are you talkng on here/
[04:12] <lavid> -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1077808 2007-03-05 20:05 /usr/bin/perl
[04:12] <ZomgEternalKorea> Im on my desktop
[04:13] <chemicalvamp> with wired?
[04:13] <Daisuke_Ido> i miss my ls-capable drive
[04:13] <ZomgEternalKorea> yes
[04:13] <chemicalvamp> well then wire up your laptop
[04:13] <intelikey> that don't make sense.
[04:13] <pulaski> hello all
[04:13] <ZomgEternalKorea> thats why i bought a new rooter
[04:13] <chemicalvamp> and get knetworkmanager
[04:13] <ZomgEternalKorea> a wireless one.
[04:13] <ZomgEternalKorea> :p
[04:13] <lavid> intelikey: i'll say!
[04:13] <ZomgEternalKorea> yeah
[04:13] <ZomgEternalKorea> imma do this.
[04:13] <intelikey> lavid i'm going to study the script some more.
[04:13] <chemicalvamp> if you use a wired connection to get knetworkmanager, it will all work out
[04:13] <pulaski> I just was able to fire up feisty fawn 7.04,
[04:14] <ZomgEternalKorea> ok
[04:14] <Daisuke_Ido> into configuring hardware.  this is good.
[04:14] <lavid> intelikey: thanks, i appreciate it. it was working just fine on my ubuntu feisty beta since forever.
[04:15] <chemicalvamp> was there a big update release for feisty since it came out of beta?
[04:15] <pulaski> I've held off using edgy 6.10, what's new with ff compared to edgy? anyone?
[04:15] <matei1> hi; I'm trying to update kubuntu 6.10 to 7.04 and it seems to be very slow using the Canadian update site (ca.archive.ubuntu.com); is there some way to speed up the process? maybe change site?
[04:15] <lavid> matei1: use a .edu mirror
[04:16] <matei1> lavid: how can I easily change the mirror? cancel the update and modify the repository sources somehow?
[04:16] <chemicalvamp> where would amule save completed downloads running on a live cd?
[04:17] <lavid> matei1: it's in the adept repository manager
[04:17] <intelikey> lavid i can't find anything wrong with the script.     test running it as normal user and see if it burps out "Please re-run this program as the super user."   like it should.
[04:18] <matei1> lavid: okay, thanks; what .edu mirror do you recommend?
[04:18] <lavid> matei1: any
[04:18] <lavid> it gives me the same message when i run it as a normal user
[04:18] <lavid> intelikey: the exact same message
[04:18] <intelikey> lavid yeah.  it's perl that's hosed.
[04:19] <intelikey> not the script.
[04:19] <lavid> intelikey: gah, on a fresh install?
[04:19] <intelikey> lavid fresh install of ?
[04:19] <tony134340> chemicalvamp, i assume your /home/user folder
[04:19] <lavid> kubuntu
[04:19] <intelikey> lavid version i mean
[04:19] <lavid> 7.04
[04:20] <intelikey> lavid welcome to "newest bigest and..."
[04:20] <chemicalvamp> tony134340 ried there : /
[04:20] <intelikey> lavid try reinstalling perl see if it helps
[04:20] <tony134340> i have a scanner that isn't supported by sane. can someone tell me if it will work in a virtual windows on kubuntu?
[04:20] <lavid> intelikey: i did... same issue. i'm going to try to remove it completely and then reinstall
[04:21] <intelikey> good luck
[04:21] <tony134340> chemicalvamp, sorry, don't know then. might search for tmp folders
[04:21] <lavid> thanks
[04:21] <lavid> and thanks for your help
[04:21] <intelikey> lavid no i mean good luck with removing perl
[04:21] <chemicalvamp> tony134340 i found it
[04:21] <intelikey> it will take almost everything with it.
[04:21] <lavid> gah!
[04:21] <intelikey> and python is worse
[04:22] <intelikey> i have removed both,  you don't want to.
[04:22] <arunkale> anyone use beryl here?
[04:23] <soulrider> oh damn
[04:23] <soulrider> i wanna kill myself!
[04:23] <intelikey> lavid  apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install `dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3 | grep perl`
[04:23] <soulrider> i accidentally disocnnected the power cable from my HD while the pc was on
[04:23] <soulrider> and now if i connect the hard drive it locks up while starting up
[04:23] <soulrider> is my Hd dead?
[04:23] <intelikey> lavid that command string "should"   fix it.
[04:24] <lavid> running it now
[04:24] <intelikey> lavid k if that doesn't    please file a bug on perl
[04:24] <lavid> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend perlapi-5.8.7 for liblocale-gettext-perl, probably a dependency cycle.
[04:25] <intelikey> and on perlapi-5.8.7
[04:25] <intelikey> lavid any other errors ?
[04:25] <lavid> nope
[04:25] <CVirus> What happens if I interrupt the updater while it's upgrading to feisty ?
[04:25] <intelikey> !info perlapi-5.8.7
[04:25] <CVirus> during the download phase
[04:25] <ubotu> Package perlapi-5.8.7 does not exist in feisty
[04:26] <Kubuntu-Noob> anybody know what LVM is
[04:26] <soulrider> intelikey: can you scroll up and rad my problem please? :P
[04:26] <intelikey> lavid try apt-get remove perlapi-5.8.7
[04:26] <keisangi> hi there
[04:26] <lavid> umm... probably not a good diea
[04:26] <lavid> idea
[04:26] <CVirus> lavid: what happens ?
[04:26] <intelikey> soulrider eeek.
[04:26] <Tony_Danza> Hey everybody how's it going!
[04:27] <soulrider> intelikey: im friggin desperate
[04:27] <soulrider> like, its like it auto powers off during the bios thingy
[04:27] <keisangi> i have a kestion about kopete ... how do i run this irc command:  /msg nickserv identify mypassword
[04:27] <soulrider> try it in the chat thing
[04:27] <soulrider> use another apssword just in case it shows up here
[04:27] <keisangi> what chat thing?
[04:28] <lavid> CVirus: a LOT wants to happen, something along the lines of removing everything
[04:28] <Tony_Danza> the chat thing you are typing in now
[04:28] <soulrider> where youre typing your messages
[04:28] <keisangi> Tony_Danzai did it .. of course .. but it doesn't work ..
[04:28] <intelikey> soulrider understand.   but not anything i can do from here.   maybe see if you can get into bios with the disk connected       oh!  and  does the drive power up or not ?   you can hear it when you turn the box on.
[04:28] <soulrider> intelikey: i think it powers up, yes
[04:28] <soulrider> why do this things happen to late at night?!
[04:29] <soulrider> im gonna try again, BRB
[04:29] <derek> does it show up in bios?
[04:29] <Tony_Danza> set the clock back a few hours so it thinks you have tons of time to mess around
[04:29] <soulrider> derek: i coulnt get there
[04:29] <intelikey> soulrider then there is hope.   if it wasn't powering on.... no hope from here.
[04:29] <keisangi> Tony_Danza: a chat (/query) window with nickserv open, and " identify mypassword" text is displayed into that window, but my nick isn't actualy identified after that ..
[04:29] <derek> b/c the pc froze up?
[04:29] <soulrider> yeah
[04:29] <soulrider> like someimte si sa=w the intel logo
[04:29] <soulrider> soemtimes i didnt
[04:29] <soulrider> but everything shut down
[04:29] <soulrider> except the power LED
[04:30] <soulrider> and something smells funny =/
[04:30] <derek> hmm.... have you tried booting w/out the drive plugged in? to see if it boots properly then
[04:30] <Tony_Danza> did you use the right password in the /query window?
[04:30] <keisangi> i think i found a bug in kopete
[04:30] <keisangi> Tony_Danza: yes
[04:31] <intelikey> !info perlapi
[04:31] <ubotu> Package perlapi does not exist in feisty
[04:31] <intelikey> !find perlapi
[04:31] <ubotu> Found: perl-base
[04:31] <Tony_Danza> in that /query window try typing "help" or "identify help" or "help identify".... without the quotes
[04:31] <keisangi> Tony_Danza: usualy when i identify myself, nickserv is answering to me: " password recognized you are now identified
[04:32] <keisangi> Tony_Danza: i get no reply from nickserv no matter what.. i tryed that too
[04:32] <Tony_Danza> it's been a while since I idented, I forget what commands you can use to get some kind of response to see if it's actually responding
[04:32] <intelikey> ok i'm out for a bit.    guys good luck to your penguins.
[04:32] <keisangi> Tony_Danza: your guesses were right, usualy typing " /msg nickserv help register " gives a reply
[04:33] <keisangi> but not with kopete
[04:33] <keisangi> Tony_Danza: i can say .. it's ot responding ..
[04:33] <keisangi> not
[04:34] <Tony_Danza> try giving it a wrong password and see if it gives an error?
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> well, that was interesting...just set up DSLinux on an old PII
[04:34] <keisangi> Tony_Danza: doesn't work either
[04:35] <keisangi> Tony_Danza: i just don't get any pulse from nickserv if using kopete
[04:35] <keisangi> flat line ..
[04:35] <keisangi> no answer
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> does kopete support slash cmds?
[04:36] <Tony_Danza> Try running Konversation and see if that works better?
[04:36] <keisangi> hitmanWilly: it support " join #blah-channel
[04:36] <keisangi> or /part
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[04:36] <Tony_Danza> dunno, I'm not familar with kopete
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> me neither
[04:36] <keisangi> yes.. quite few slash commands seems to work right
[04:37] <keisangi> i think the developper of kopete is here
[04:37] <keisangi> i forgot his nick
[04:37] <keisangi> i spoke with him last week
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> keisangi, wait a minute, nickserv is actually NickServ, i think you have to cap it
[04:37] <keisangi> hitmanWilly: i try
[04:38] <keisangi> hitmanWilly: nothing better
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, don't know then
[04:38] <keisangi> thank for the   try anyway :)
[04:38] <RawSewage> Where is the Compiz switch in Feisty
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> keisangi, the /msg cmd might not be recoignized, try /msg ing me right quick
[04:39] <keisangi> ?
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> keisangi, ok, that works
[04:40] <specialbuddy> so how do i get the official 7.04 if I'm using 7.04 beta
[04:40] <keisangi> that shouldn't
[04:40] <keisangi> on freenode, you cannot pm someone until you identify yourself
[04:40] <Tony_Danza> [22:40:27]  [Whois]  keisangi is an identified user.
[04:40] <Tony_Danza> You are.
[04:40] <keisangi> so it would mean i'm identify ?
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> specialbuddy, normal update as in sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:41] <Tony_Danza> maybe it was just lag
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> it happens
[04:41] <specialbuddy> ok
[04:41] <amcr> Hello. Has anybody got problems installing kubuntu-amd64-alternate-7.04?
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> bitchx does it to me all the time
[04:41] <specialbuddy> thanks
[04:41] <RawSewage> doesnt Kubuntu have a Compiz switch like Ubuntu?
[04:41] <keisangi> hum.. nice .. so the problem is diffrent, it's just   that nickserv doesn't reply to me, or i can't see it's reply with kopete .. but well nice to see it's actualy working :)
[04:42] <keisangi> thanks for the help hitmanWilly Tony_Danza :)
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> np
[04:42] <Tony_Danza> keisangi: In kopete, is there a main "server" or "status" window that it might have shown the reply message in?
[04:43] <keisangi> Tony_Danza: no, just channel windows or pm windows .. but since when i msg nickserv it open a pm window the msg should appear there, but it's not
[04:43] <keisangi> but basicaly no, there's no server tab
[04:44] <Tony_Danza> hmm, that is odd. Somehow it worked though.
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> keisangi, probably would show up there
[04:45] <keisangi> yess, well, that's the important point .. if it works i'm happy ;)
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> i don't think freenode lets you do anything if your using a registered nick w/out the password
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> so if you can join channels, that probably means it worked
[04:46] <keisangi> yes it works i can join restricted channel which requiere to by identified .. cool ..
[04:46] <keisangi> i just test with #java
[04:46] <keisangi> you can't join if not identified
[04:46] <keisangi> any java dev here by chance?
[04:48] <jhutchins> keisangi: They all run slackware or debian.
[04:49] <jhutchins> keisangi: Actually, the run solaris.
[04:51] <keisangi> jhutchins: what do you mean ?
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> keisangi, sun makes both :)
[04:54] <keisangi> hitmanWilly: what are you speaking about ?
[04:54] <keisangi> i don't understand what you and jhutchins are speaking about ?
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> keisangi, java devs and solaris
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> keisangi, solaris is another nix system, made by the same people who make java
[04:55] <keisangi> no, i asked if by anychance there were any java developers here
[04:56] <ZomgEternalKorea> chemicalvamp, knetworkmanager is dling
[04:59] <Davor> when ubuntu devel can fix knetworkmanager?
[05:00] <chemicalvamp> ZomgEternalKorea cool
[05:00] <specialbuddy> what does this mean?
[05:00] <specialbuddy> #
[05:00] <specialbuddy> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-pre-feisty-upgrade/ edgy main
[05:00] <specialbuddy> #
[05:00] <specialbuddy> oops
[05:00] <chemicalvamp> thats a repository
[05:00] <specialbuddy> !pastebin
[05:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:01] <chemicalvamp> specialbuddy befre you use the upgrade tool, let me encorage you to do a clan install of feisty, and download your archetecture specific live cd
[05:02] <specialbuddy> that's the better method?
[05:02] <chemicalvamp> faster
[05:02] <jhutchins> keisangi: This is IRC ironic humor.
[05:02] <chemicalvamp> and dependable
[05:02] <mrgv> anyone know how to get ati x1950pro hardware drivers working on feisty? new version of xorg halts the ati installer for some reason..
[05:02] <Davor> hii
[05:02] <Davor> Knetworkmanager cant show me the Wifi network list anymore.
[05:02] <ZomgEternalKorea> woot
[05:02] <ZomgEternalKorea> wireless working
[05:03] <ZomgEternalKorea> chemicalvamp i love you <3
[05:03] <chemicalvamp> ;)
[05:03] <jhutchins> keisangi: We waited until it was clear that there weren't any java developers willing to respond, then we kidded that java dev's don't run kubuntu, they run oddball Linux or they run Solaris, because they are paid by Sun to be java devlopers.
[05:03] <chemicalvamp> hey dude, i dont think thats something one dude should be saying to another dude
[05:03] <jhutchins> WiFi is rollin' dice on ubuntu right now.
[05:03] <arunkale> umm.. what happens if i cancel the installation midway?
[05:04] <arunkale> the upgrade to feisty, i mean
[05:04] <specialbuddy> is it like the beta or better?
[05:04] <keisangi> jhutchins: i don't share that sense of humor sorry ;)
[05:04] <chemicalvamp> ide cancel it now and download the iso if i where you
[05:04] <jhutchins> keisangi: Well, sorry for troubling you then.
[05:04] <arunkale> chemicalvamp: it's downloaded and installed like 3%
[05:04] <keisangi> indeed..
[05:04] <arunkale> if i cancel it now will it screw up my system on restart
[05:05] <chemicalvamp> well then you got another 1 1/2 hours maybe
[05:05] <keisangi> feel very sorry little mortal
[05:05] <jhutchins> arunkale: Oh, that's not good.  Could be just enough to work, but subtly hose the system.
[05:05] <jhutchins> arunkale: Never do day 0.
[05:05] <chemicalvamp> they may have fixed it up, i dont know
[05:05] <keisangi> err.. i meant:  " yea np  ..
[05:05] <arunkale> jhutchins: Mm hm.. so basically I'm stuck for the next few hours?
[05:05] <jhutchins> keisangi: You could always do a clean reinstlal of your older version...
[05:05] <arunkale> jhutchins: the upgrade is happening quite slowly, i guess that's because of the busy servers
[05:05] <keisangi> jhutchins: nah i like the last update
[05:05] <jhutchins> (please excuse the wandering "l"s.
[05:06] <jhutchins> arunkale: Yes, very busy servers.
[05:06] <arunkale> so i'm stuck, right? i have to let it go through?
[05:06] <jhutchins> arunkale: Some of them also carry Mandriva, which released two (?) days ago.
[05:06] <jhutchins> arunkale: What's your local time?
[05:06] <arunkale> 8.46am
[05:06] <machinecraig> arunkale: if you cancel your upgrade, as long as you don't reboot you should be fine
[05:07] <jhutchins> arunkale: Oh.  Um.  You might actually need your computer today, eh?
[05:07] <arunkale> machinecraig: i want to reboot, which is why i'd like to cancel it, but i guess i can't do that
[05:07] <arunkale> My upgrade to Edgy was pretty quick
[05:07] <arunkale> So I thought this would be as well
[05:07] <mrgv> i'm a little disappointed by fiesty... i had to check md5 of iso to make sure i actually installed a new version... (ok not true, but almost)
[05:07] <machinecraig> arunkale: missed that, sorry ;-)
[05:07] <jhutchins> arunkale: No, rebooting is pretty much a bad idea.
[05:07] <chemicalvamp> yeah im with hutchkins
[05:07] <ZomgEternalKorea> actually
[05:07] <arunkale> jhutchins: damn, guess my day is shot. thanks, though.
[05:07] <ZomgEternalKorea> i think it didnt work cuz i entered the wrong wep key
[05:07] <ZomgEternalKorea> >.<
[05:07] <jhutchins> arunkale: I would go ahead and cancel, then I woudl take the opportunity to make sure I had a current backup before I did anything else.
[05:08] <arunkale> if i cancel, will it screw up GRUB?
[05:08] <jhutchins> arunkale: You can, of course, just reinstall off the old CD if it goes really bad.
[05:08] <chemicalvamp> could screw up xserver
[05:08] <jhutchins> arunkale: Not if it hasn't done the kernel yet.
[05:08] <chemicalvamp> aborting an install = bad
[05:08] <arunkale> I don't think I should take that change
[05:08] <arunkale> chance*
[05:09] <jhutchins> arunkale: You could take a look at what files it's done (I've done multiple upgrades recently, does ubuntu tell you?), see if there's anything system-critica.
[05:09] <mrgv> here i was expecting out of the box (or a simple single installl) to get desktop hardware effects and it turns out i'll have settle for just getting my video card working with a little luck..
[05:09] <chemicalvamp> whats with your L key?
[05:09] <arunkale> thanks, but I think i'll just wait. i'd rather not screw this up!
[05:10] <arunkale> thanks for the help guys
[05:10] <jhutchins> chemicalvamp: I think it may have had more of it's share of bourbon this evening.
[05:10] <chemicalvamp> well wheres mine!?
[05:10] <jhutchins> mrgv: Sorry, some of us don't think the 3d stuff should have been so prominently featured, we don't think it's even at beta stage yet.
[05:10] <jhutchins> chemicalvamp: I think the L key got it.
[05:11] <chemicalvamp> i see hehe
[05:11] <arunkale> system critica sounds pretty cool, though
[05:11] <arunkale> could be the name of a band
[05:11] <jhutchins> arunkale: How long so far?
[05:11] <mrgv> jjhutchins: how about a single package install at least? i would gladly settle for it.  i don't even have my graphics card working at all.
[05:11] <arunkale> when you're being interviewed on tv, you could just say "actually, it's a funny story. my keyboard had a little too much bourbon..."
[05:12] <arunkale> jhutchins: 'fetching file 37 of 815'
[05:12] <mardi> anyone know of a networkable RPG game for linux?
[05:12] <jhutchins> arunkale: Which is understandable, most keyboards can't handle much bourbon at all.
[05:12] <jhutchins> arunkale: I mean time-wise?
[05:12] <jhutchins> arunkale: 1.5 hours?
[05:12] <arunkale> About 30-45 minutes, i think
[05:13] <mrgv> i have an ati 1950pro and i tried installing the proprietary drivers but they don't seem to get along with new xorg version..?
[05:13] <chemicalvamp> arunkale its downloading?
[05:13] <jhutchins> Ok, I have one report from an earlier upgrade that was 1.5 hours, I'd give it three max.
[05:13] <mrgv> the drivers installed fine on last kubuntu version..
[05:13] <arunkale> chemicalvamp: yes
[05:13] <anakim> e aew galera
[05:13] <anakim> hello i'm from brazil
[05:14] <jhutchins> mrgv: That's the thing about alpha-grade sofware, one day it works, the next it doesn't.  Can you revert to the OS drivers?
[05:14] <anakim> How to update my Kubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake for 7.04, help-me
[05:14] <arunkale> umm.. technically, i shouldn't have konversation open during upgrade, right
[05:14] <chemicalvamp> arunkale @ what speed?
[05:14] <jhutchins> arunkale: Nah, this is linux, you can do that.
[05:15] <chemicalvamp> whats a good Ipod sync program?
[05:15] <arunkale> chemicalvamp: it's fluctuating quite a bit.. from 3kb/s to 29kb/s
[05:15] <jhutchins> arunkale: New estimate, 4 hrs.
[05:15] <chemicalvamp> arunkale grab a snickers
[05:15] <arunkale> for some time it was hovering at 35
[05:15] <mshade> ls
[05:15] <mshade> :)
[05:16] <arunkale> Does anyone know if there's a 'PHP for Dummies' book?
[05:16] <chemicalvamp> took me 6 hours total at a steady 60+
[05:16] <mshade> Are the US apt repositories down?
[05:16] <compilerwriter> arunkale Grab a Cuban robusto, and snifter of congac.
[05:16] <mrgv> jhutchins: i have a gui going but on software so it's  a bit choppy.  the ati driver install doesn't continue bc it doesn't recognize the xorg version (seems to be newer than before..not sure why it wouldn't work..)
[05:16] <arunkale> I mean, I pretty much know the basics, but I'd like to learn to write my own CMS
[05:17] <jhutchins> mrgv: You may need to give it a few days.  Files on the mirrors are barely even verified yet, and the servers themselves are hammered.
[05:17] <mrgv> i would have to downgrade the xorg to be able to install the ati drivers it seems?
[05:17] <chemicalvamp> i would cancel the tool and download the live cd iso arunkale
[05:17] <arunkale> what are your favourite things about feisty?
[05:17] <chemicalvamp> its got alot of pimp stuff
[05:17] <chemicalvamp> and i nice glitch with my wireless card :)
[05:17] <arunkale> chemicalvamp: i guess i'll wait till it's done.. I have a windows partition as well, and if grub gets screwed, then all my valuable stuff is lost
[05:18] <arunkale> what pimp stuff
[05:18] <jhutchins> arunkale: It has such dynamic hardware detection that we're sure to have plenty of problems to troubleshoot here!
[05:18] <compilerwriter> jhutchins I should have just downloaded the blasted torrent.  Adept did such a nice job in going from dapper to edgy.  So I went ahead and fired it up.  I also figured that I would help out the swarm, and lo adept is still working on the last 100 files and I have burned an iso disk from the torrent.
[05:18] <mrgv> jlhutchins: wait a few days for what again? i'm not sure what you mean.
[05:18] <chemicalvamp> arunkale if it hasnt finished downloading you got nothing to worry about
[05:18] <arunkale> jhutchins: heh, you're scaring me
[05:18] <arunkale> chemicalvamp: doesn't it download and install at the same time? will things get screwed if i cancel and reboot?
[05:19] <chemicalvamp> arunkale it downloads, and then after everything is fetched it installs
[05:19] <mshade> arunkale: no, the downloads run first
[05:19] <jhutchins> arunkale: We'll have to see.  My two favorite distros released within two days of each other, I should be able to occupy myself any time I want.
[05:19] <jhutchins> I can program a macro for the first few days that says "Mirror problems - give it time".
[05:20] <arunkale> chemicalvamp: so i can just cancel it?
[05:20] <jhutchins> Then I can do "I think they're working on that".
[05:20] <shinobi> anyone have any ideas on using sql as backend to kaddressbook?
[05:20] <jhutchins> Then I'll have to actually think.
[05:20] <arunkale> chemicalvamp: what happens to all the downloaded files?
[05:20] <jhutchins> good night an good luck!
[05:20] <arunkale> chemicalvamp: and my sources.list
[05:21] <chemicalvamp> if you get the fiesty-7.04 live cd it wont matter
[05:21] <jhutchins> chemicalvamp: The CD will actually take longer than the install though.
[05:23] <mrgv> how do i check my xorg version pls?
[05:23] <chemicalvamp> jhutchins didnt for me
[05:24] <chemicalvamp-afk> later ppl
[05:25] <mrgv> nm, i was forgetting a capital x
[05:28] <se7en> are there no updates i was on feisty beta and i thought 2day a lot of updates should come out ...
[05:28] <arunkale> does feisty look more or less the same as edgy?
[05:29] <acidBURN> yes
[05:29] <mrgv> YES
[05:29] <acidBURN> don't see allot of diff
[05:29] <acidBURN> some bug fixes...
[05:29] <sstchur> I just upgraded to Feisty, and it crash right at the very end of the install (during remove obsolete software I think) -- Most everything seems okay anyway, but KNetworkmanager won't load for me anymore, so I no longer have a wireless conneciton.  What can I do about this?
[05:29] <acidBURN> eye candy
[05:29] <arunkale> what are the new packages?
[05:30] <acidBURN> I ask that same question
[05:31] <mrgv> arunkale: it looks like the bootup logo was updated.. i'm sure there are other changes too.
[05:32] <arunkale> Jucato: was just checking that out :)
[05:32] <Jucato> arunkale: what are the new packages? you'd have to investigate those one by one if you want to find out
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> lets see, kde 3.5.6, k3b 1.0, amarok updates, etc..
[05:32] <acidBURN> well, been running the beta feisty, still can't update via the archives...
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> plus the new kernel
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> acidBURN, its actually probably already updated
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> acidBURN, the repos for the dev and release are the same ones
[05:33] <RawSewage> how is Kubuntu coming along
[05:33] <Jucato> acidBURN: if you've been updating daily until 2 or 3 days ago, then you have not problem
[05:34] <RawSewage> I dont understand why Kubuntu isnt the top distro
[05:34] <RawSewage> oh well, enough of that
[05:34] <acidBURN> still broadcom wireless 43xx doesn't work out of the box
[05:34] <giovani> RawSewage: Kubuntu is somewhat unpolished compared to Ubuntu
[05:35] <hendaus> hiya
[05:35] <giovani> that's mostly due to the much smaller team and development efforts
[05:35] <acidBURN> ture
[05:35] <hendaus> can anyone help me how to creat a torrent movie and uoload it on a website please?
[05:35] <mardi> anyone know of a networkable RPG game for linux?
[05:35] <RawSewage> I have a reply, but I wont go into that here
[05:35] <acidBURN> it would appear that DELL is now going to ship linux unbuntu with there systems.
[05:35] <giovani> acidBURN: where'd you hear that?
[05:36] <RawSewage> sigh...
[05:36] <acidBURN> via news link..
[05:36] <giovani> interesting
[05:36] <RawSewage> this needs to stop
[05:36] <acidBURN> you might find it on google news now..
[05:36] <giovani> what needs to stop?
[05:36] <RawSewage> Kubuntu needs to be pushed as the main before it's too late
[05:36] <Jucato> acidBURN: it's is still not certain what distro Dell will ship with. there is not definite announcement yet
[05:36] <acidBURN> yes there is..
[05:36] <giovani> Dell already ships RedHat Enterprise, doesn't it?
[05:36] <acidBURN> Mr. Dell is using it in his home
[05:37] <hendaus> helpers!! can anyone help me how to creat a torrent movie and uoload it on a website please?
[05:37] <hitmanWilly> acidBURN, the dell and ubuntu bigwigs won't confirm anything just yet...
[05:37] <giovani> hendaus: that's really not relevant to kubuntu in any way
[05:37] <Jucato> acidBURN: the fact that he uses it at home doesn't mean that Dell will ship with Ubuntu. the fact is that there is no "definite" announcement yet
[05:38] <RawSewage> I'll be angry if they choose Ubuntu and not Kubuntu
[05:38] <hendaus> giovani,  coz i am using ktorrent and i register on a website of torrents and i want to upload a movie there
[05:38] <giovani> hendaus: discuss the uploading of torrents with that website ... that has nothing to do with your OS
[05:38] <RawSewage> but. of course, they will
[05:38] <giovani> I don't know if ktorrent supports creating torrents -- if they do, I'm sure it's in the documentation, or is relatively straightforward
[05:39] <acidBURN> hey, here a link that said Dell is going to use unbuntu http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2115645,00.asp
[05:40] <Jucato> giovani: you might want to ask in ktorrent's forums then
[05:40] <giovani> Jucato: I don't think you meant to address that to me
[05:40] <RawSewage> I didnt have to disable IPV6 in Feisty
[05:40] <giovani> Jucato: maybe hendaus
[05:40] <Jucato> acidBURN: what line/sentence indicates that Dell will be selling pre-installed Ubuntu systems?
[05:40] <RawSewage> I wonder why
[05:40] <Jucato> giovani: oh yeah sorry
[05:40] <Jucato> hendaus: you might want to ask in ktorrent's forums then
[05:40] <magnus_> acidBURN: It doesn't say Dell will use Ubuntu, it only says that Michael Dell is using it on his personal computer.
[05:41] <insmod> what does "export INTEL_BATCH"  do on google they say  export INTEL_BATCH=1 boost performance i tried export INTEL_BATCH=4 and got better reuslts
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> RawSewage, im guessing it handles it better at the kernel level
[05:41] <RawSewage> Is Goobuntu based on GNOME or KDE
[05:41] <acidBURN> Click here to read more about Dell's plans to release desktops and laptops with Linux pre-installed.
[05:41] <acidBURN> its right there
[05:41] <hendaus> Jucato, i have movies and i need to creat them to upload it on a website, i dont know what is tracker like what should i type there?
[05:42] <acidBURN> Well, its good in one way.... ubuntu will take the lead over the others.
[05:42] <Jucato> hendaus: again, it's not a Kubuntu-related issue. you'll have to research about that someplace else
[05:42] <hendaus> Jucato,  lol ok thanx anyway
[05:42] <Skrotffs> acidBURN: In that article it says "For example, we do not know at this time which Linux distributionor distributionsit will be supporting"
[05:42] <shenmue> RawSewage: What's Goobuntu though?
[05:42] <Jucato> acidBURN: yes. it says "with Linux pre-installed" not "with Ubuntu pre-installed". Ubuntu is not the only Linux distro
[05:42] <RawSewage> shenmue, what they use at Google
[05:42] <acidBURN> Stay tune...
[05:42] <RawSewage> Google uses a modified Ubuntu
[05:43] <Jucato> RawSewage: Goobuntu, as a distro does not really exist. They use Ubuntu and tweak it to their needs
[05:43] <Jucato> (much like any office or user would)
[05:43] <RawSewage> Im sure it exists at Google
[05:43] <shenmue> RawSewage: It really exist?
[05:43] <RawSewage> yes
[05:43] <giovani> Jucato: you have any idea where I could get some real help with a live cd problem in feisty? the forums and this irc channel haven't really had any responses
[05:43] <Jucato> RawSewage: we're talking about a distribution, not an in-house system. so as a distribution, there is not Goobuntu
[05:43] <acidBURN> don't you think Mark, will do whatever, to take a bigger pieces of pie from windows...
[05:44] <RawSewage> ok
[05:44] <Jucato> giovani: what sort of problem
[05:44] <giovani> Jucato: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=414249
[05:44] <shenmue> RawSewage: cool, any screenshots?
[05:44] <compilerwriter> Halelujah!  I am finally in the installation phase, only 1 hour 52 minutes left to go.
[05:44] <RawSewage> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&q=goobuntu&btnG=Search+Images
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> well, if Dell starts installing ubu, they'll most likely pick up the corporate support, which would dump a LOT of funds into ubu's bank accts
[05:45] <shinobi> kadressbook + SQL ideas anyone?
[05:46] <acidBURN> yes...
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> which would probably go into more R&D, advertising, etc..
[05:46] <Jucato> acidBURN, hitmanWilly: http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=2845484%26_index=3 straigh from Mark himself
[05:47] <lavid> good interview
[05:47] <Jucato> giovani: hm... sorry no idea either :(
[05:48] <giovani> Jucato: yeah, it's kind of a problem I would assume only developers could assist with ... I was hoping I could get in contact with some of them here
[05:48] <acidBURN> you have to look at it from a global aspect, the world of computers has change, closed end os is dead
[05:48] <Dr_willis> i dont think that computers will ever catch on
[05:49] <acidBURN> well from that article there more going on... he is hold his tongue per say...
[05:49] <Jucato> that has very little to do with your statement that it's final that Dell will ship with Ubuntu
[05:49] <RawSewage> computers are the 21st century hacky sack
[05:49] <acidBURN> there a story, not publish that dell will fund some money
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> and with vista being the flaming pile of crap it is, Shuttleworth might have half a chance
[05:49] <acidBURN> to get this going
[05:49] <acidBURN> yes, anti-MS
[05:50] <insmod> anyone know a fix for usplash on laptops
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> but i digress...
[05:50] <acidBURN> in what
[05:50] <chino> when my freind opens up a terminal he says he dont get a prompt it just hangs...
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> just pulling myself back ontopic
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:51] <acidBURN> k
[05:51] <chino> is there some type of issue with the dam kernel or something
[05:51] <acidBURN> just think, I used to run cp/m, DOS, OS/2, Window NT, Unix, Mac, and NOW linux
[05:52] <Skrotffs> Dr_willis: A professor at my university acctually wrote a book a couple of years ago predicting that the internet was just a dying fad :)
[05:52] <Jucato> chino: in Konsole or Ctrl+Alt+F1?