[17:33] <kubast2> craptalk, so it doesn't apply to me it's the opposite
[17:33] <nacc> Haris: it sounds like you don't know apache works if that's your list of options...
[17:33] <craptalk> kubast2, ahh, you are cool somehow then
[17:33] <kubast2> like linux likes to put my i5 at 1.6ghz
[17:34] <Haris> nacc: this box is not on my network. Its another org, another network, another people's domain of power. I'm stuck with the work on the machine
[17:34] <nacc> Haris: and reinstalling it won't reset its configuration
[17:34] <kubast2> while on windows it's 2.2-3.6ghz
[17:34] <craptalk> kubast2, but is it true somehow?
[17:34] <kubast2> when doing nothing
[17:34] <kubast2> craptalk, on laptops obsolutely
[17:34] <nacc> Haris: why does which network its on mean you can't use apt? You mean you are not allowed to use apt?
[17:34] <nacc> Haris: so this other organization is ok with their machine being insecure?
[17:34] <uzjsn> lol of course i have universe repo enabled but pacman is not there
[17:34] <nacc> uzjsn: what version of Ubuntu?
[17:34] <uzjsn> 16.10
[17:35] <nacc> !info pacman yakkety | uzjsn
[17:35] <craptalk> kubast2, damn it man, i got it like 2 hours to work with my activities which only including, coding, streaming, browsing
[17:35] <Haris> apt on this machine can't reach ubuntu repos'
[17:35] <nacc> uzjsn: lol, badly named package, sorry
[17:35] <nacc> Haris: you keep stating a fact, ok.
[17:35] <nacc> Haris: but *why*?
[17:35] <Haris> its way past COB. I can't reach the network guys
[17:35] <craptalk> kubast2, i thought my machine got some leakage, but people also mention about it
[17:36] <nacc> Haris: if you can't reach the repositories how are you going to download a .deb from teh repositories?
[17:36] <nacc> Haris: or sources from them?
[17:36] <Haris> what is a viable, secure pkg to download for apache2 ?
[17:36] <nacc> Haris: your statements make no sense to me
[17:36] <Haris> I'm going to download from a mirror and scp it on the server from my box
[17:36] <tgm4883> !offline | Haris
[17:36] <Haris> nacc: ignore my statements please. I just need to know how to get pkgs manually
[17:37] <Haris> no need for understanding on this one
[17:37] <nacc> uzjsn: i don't think you can install pacman in Ubuntu
[17:37] <Haris> hmm
[17:37] <nacc> uzjsn: maybe run arch in a VM?
[17:37] <tgm4883> nacc: maybe he's not talking about the arch pacman?
[17:37] <nacc> uzjsn: not sure i understand why you'd wnat to build arch packages on ubuntu anyways ...
[17:37] <nacc> tgm4883: oh i thought they specifically were?
[17:38] <wdd> anyone know how I can find mapping of  a /dev/ identifier to pci slot info (/sys/bus/pci/devices...) ?
[17:38] <ducasse> Haris: 'apt download packagename' or packages.ubuntu.com
[17:38] <Haris> tgm4883: That went over me. couldn't get the part from Synaptic onwards
[17:38] <tgm4883> nacc: oh you're right. I didn't read far enough back
[17:38] <Haris> hmm
[17:38] <Haris> let me see if that works
[17:38] <nacc> Haris: that of course presumes you are also running trusty
[17:39] <nacc> Haris: and also, just reinstalling the .deb won't rewrite the configuration  necessarily
[17:39] <Haris> cat /etc/*release shows ---> VERSION="14.04.2 LTS, Trusty Tahr"
[17:39] <Haris> nacc: I have a backup of config
[17:39] <nacc> Haris: you also want to update your system :)
[17:39] <Haris> yep
[17:39] <Haris> but later please. not now
[17:39] <Haris> need to finish this and call it a day
[17:39] <Haris> for now
[17:39] <tgm4883> yea, security is usually an afterthought....
[17:40]  * nacc just walks away
[17:40] <nacc> too many people making poor choices already for a Friday
[17:40] <tgm4883> nacc: unfortunately I don't think it's pub time yet :(
[17:40] <nacc> tgm4883: not quite :)
[17:40] <Haris> pkgs from trusty or trusty-updates or trusty-backports
[17:41] <Haris> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[17:42] <nacc> Haris: are you asking a question?
[17:42] <nacc> Haris: so far you've typed a conjunction and then a URL.
[17:42] <tgm4883> lol
[17:42] <Haris> yep
[17:42] <Haris> url = reference for Q above
[17:42] <nacc> Haris: what question above?
[17:43]  * tgm4883 channels Jerry Maguire "Help me help you!"
[17:43] <nacc> Haris: this is like pulling teeth right now, and we're all volunteers.
[17:43] <nacc> Haris: If you actually want help, ask full-sentence questions with details.
[17:43] <Haris> download pkgs from what trusty versin or repo or option on that page
[17:43] <jhutchins_wk> Haris: The problem is that there are usually dependencies for other packages, apache is not just one package.
[17:43] <nacc> Haris: I don't know, earlier you said you didn't care what version
[17:44] <OerHeks> backports, yay
[17:44] <nacc> Haris: and note how there is *still* not a question...
[17:44] <Haris> http://pastebin.ca/3771732
[17:44] <Haris> hmm
[17:44] <Haris> sorry guys. I missed the Q mark. My bad :(
[17:44] <nacc> Haris: what was the point of the above paste?
[17:45] <Haris> this is the list of apache pkgs I have installed. That is the list of pkgs I want to reinstall to re-set apache back to factory config ?
[17:45] <coffeeguy> hi my speakers on built-in audio are reversed from left to right and right to left, at first i thought it was a cable problem but the monitor speakers on my second monitor are reversed too
[17:45] <Haris> or upgrade to something that is ok
[17:45]  * nacc can't help himself, feels like bragging about how insecure the server is
[17:45] <nacc> Haris: ok, so download those versions and reinstall them
[17:45] <nacc> Haris: if that's all you want to do -- don't understand why that's difficult?
[17:46] <Haris> I'v never done this before
[17:46] <Xundres> were are located temporary file of a program started with ./  ?
[17:46] <Haris> always done it through apt-get or aptitude auto-download of pkgs
[17:46] <nacc> Haris: did you read `man apt-get` and read the download portion?
[17:46] <Haris> hmm
[17:46] <nacc> Xundres: depends entirely on the program
[17:47] <Xundres> nacc: How can i check?
[17:47] <svalcken> ioria: the update has found about 900 MB to upgrade. i wait after this it's work.
[17:47] <ioria> Xundres, open the source , if you have it
[17:47] <uzjsn> Haris: nuke /etc/apache2 and reinstall
[17:47] <happyfr0gg> How do I match a GPG Pub key to its corresponding package?
[17:47] <wdd> can someone please tell me how to get from lcpci : 04:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller:  ->   /dev/nvme0n1?
[17:47] <OerHeks> Haris, why would you backup those old versions?
[17:47] <ioria> svalcken,  wow
[17:47] <Haris> backed up the vhost config part
[17:47] <Haris> don't need the rest
[17:48] <ioria> svalcken,  upgrade && dist-upgrade
[17:48] <Xundres> Actually it is a game so I really don't know what to open
[17:48] <Haris> umm .. download option expects full .deb file name ?
[17:48] <svalcken> ioria: current run upgrade
[17:48] <nacc> Haris: no it doesn't
[17:48] <Haris> # apt-get download apache2 apach2-bin apache2-data apache2-utils
[17:48] <Haris> E: Unable to locate package apach2-bin
[17:48] <happyfr0gg> A specific pub key can't be opened.
[17:48] <ioria> svalcken, the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:48] <Haris> hmm
[17:49] <nacc> Haris: maybe 'apache2-bin'
[17:49] <nacc> Haris: pretty clear error.
[17:49] <Haris> ah. my bad
[17:49] <nacc> Xundres: there is no way to 'check'
[17:49] <Haris> # apt-get download apache2 apache2-bin apache2-data apache2-utils
[17:49] <Haris> E: Can't find a source to download version '2.4.7-1ubuntu4.5' of 'apache2-data:amd64'
[17:49] <nacc> Xundres: you coudl try and use `lsof` to see what file the game has open
[17:49] <nacc> Haris: i thought you said the remote server didn't have access to apt?
[17:50] <nacc> Haris: are you running this on your machine?
[17:50] <svalcken> ioria: yes, i know, i am wait for apt upgrade, then i start dist-upgrade
[17:50] <ioria> svalcken, right
[17:50] <nacc> wdd: one sec, i had a script that did that
[17:50] <Haris> I thought the remote machine couldn't reach ubuntu repo' servers
[17:50] <Haris> otherwise apt-get and aptitude run just ok on it
[17:50] <ioria> Xundres, do you have the source ?
[17:51] <nacc> Haris: i don't understand those two sentences together. Does the remote server have a working apt?
[17:51] <Haris> I'm confused. what does working apt mean ?
[17:51] <Haris> a working apt utility ?
[17:51] <Haris> or the apt db ?
[17:52] <ioria> Xundres, but usually it makes a dir in home or in .config or .cache
[17:52] <Haris> let me show
[17:52] <happyfr0gg> I am also seeing resource limits related to the GPG No Pubkey errors. What does this mean?
[17:52] <Haris> http://pastebin.ca/3771738
[17:52] <Xundres> ioria: it creates a folder in documents
[17:52] <ioria> Xundres, what's in there ?
[17:52] <Haris> when I run apt-get reinstall the-pkg-list, this is what I get
[17:53] <nacc> Haris: yes, because you have not updated the apt
[17:53] <nacc> Haris: err, the apache2
[17:53] <Haris> # apt-get update
[17:53] <Haris> 0% [Connecting to ci.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)] [Waiting for headers] ^C
[17:53] <nacc> Haris: if you are a sysadmin, and this is a client's request, then you really need to talk to them about how vulnerable their server might be
[17:53] <Haris> it gets stuck at connecting. never reaches those IPs
[17:53] <Xundres> there is everything it downloads but when I restart, even if the files are still there it downloads everything again
[17:54] <ducasse> Haris: try another mirror
[17:54] <nacc> why are they using ci.archive.ubuntu.com??
[17:55] <Haris> nacc: I understand that. updating the OS means updating base pkg versions for apache, php, mysql on which our current app is built. Its like a migration level effort to get everything up to the updated version. this is not as simple as just running apt-get update and then dist-upgrade or the like
[17:55] <wdd> nacc I think i found relevant info from udevadm
[17:55] <Haris> nacc: its in the pre-existing sources.list ?
[17:55] <OerHeks> Haris, actually, it is that simple
[17:56] <nacc> Haris: and in the meanwhile, presuming this is a public facing service, then you are exposing everything they have, potentially
[17:56] <Haris> OerHeks: that may be true for the OS, but not for the already built app that's running on the current version(s)
[17:56] <nacc> Haris: in any case, the "base versions" are not changed on updates
[17:56] <Haris> hmm
[17:56] <nacc> Haris: sounds like a super-fragile application if you depend on the particular security dot-release of php
[17:57] <nacc> Haris: whatever, you've made your choice, clearly
[17:57] <Haris> its not security dot release. its the methods or supported lib versions for php and mysql
[17:57] <nacc> Haris: I have no idea what you're talking about now
[17:57] <Haris> hmm
[17:57] <nacc> Haris: I said you should update to the latest versions from security
[17:57] <nacc> Haris: they don't break BC in security, unless upstream did
[17:57] <nacc> Haris: and upstream rather rarely does that, iiuc
[17:58] <Haris> hmm
[17:58] <Haris> will do, if the box can do it
[17:58] <nacc> Haris: in any case, given you can't use apt, that's neither or there
[17:58] <nacc> Haris: you can use apt to download those packages locally and scp them over
[17:58] <nacc> Haris: which I thought was your plan all along
[17:58] <Haris> I'm trying to get the sources.list right. then see if it works
[17:59] <Haris> perhaps that'll help
[17:59] <nacc> Haris: you don't have a staging/reproduction environment of a production service?
[17:59] <tgm4883> Haris: he's saying that if you need PHP 5.5 in trusty, doing updates in trusty doesn't upgrade that from 5.5
[17:59] <Haris> this box is the staging box for the production env
[17:59] <nacc> and it can't use apt??
[17:59] <Haris> tgm4883: ah ok
[18:00] <tgm4883> Haris: so you'd get security updates and that's it
[18:00] <tgm4883> Sounds like you need a local repo
[18:01] <Haris> ah
[18:01] <pauliunas> hi, is there a public build of ubuntu touch i could install on my x86 tablet?
[18:01] <Haris> too many wishes, not enough time
[18:01] <ducasse> !touch | pauliunas
[18:02] <wedgie> i dont think php5.5 gets security updates anymore...
[18:02] <nacc> wedgie: by Ubuntu it does
[18:02] <nacc> wedgie: upstream it may not
[18:02] <pauliunas> ah, thanks ducasse
[18:03] <k1l> pauliunas: #ubuntu-touch is the channel for that. there is a unity 8 preview on the 16.10 release
[18:03] <ioria> it's in main,  it should
[18:04] <Haris> is this an ok sources.list for trusty pkgs ? ---> http://pastebin.ca/3771744
[18:05] <voltbit> greetings, is here a way to tell how much time I have spent in a given workspace?
[18:05] <tgm4883> Probably
[18:05] <nacc> wdd: ok
[18:05] <brunch875> I've just noticed discordapp uses notify-send, and those messages overwrite instantly. But on the other hand hexchat messages timeout before sending the next. Does anybody know of this?
[18:07] <ioria> Haris, you miss restricted, you might need it
[18:07] <HoNgOuRu> hi, is there any way of running an application in its own environment ? I want to run let's say chromium
[18:07] <Haris> I left it out, since it was for proprietary pkgs
[18:07] <Haris> this is a lamp box
[18:08] <Haris> lamp stack box
[18:08] <nacc> HoNgOuRu: what do you mean by environment?
[18:08] <mcphail> !info firejail | HoNgOuRu is this the sort of thing you want?
[18:08] <Haris> I think outgoing port 80 traffic on this machine is blocked
[18:08] <chrisml> does acl come w/ 14.04 but not 16.04?
[18:08] <Haris> it can't reach 92.archive.ubuntu.com when I run aptitude update
[18:08] <Haris> manually is the way I think
[18:09] <nacc> chrisml: what do you mean by 'acl'? a package name, fs ACLs, ... ?
[18:09] <chrisml> nacc package
[18:10] <nacc> !info acl xenial
[18:10] <nacc> chrisml: --^
[18:10] <chrisml> optional
[18:10] <chrisml> !info acl trusty
[18:10] <Haris> I want to reinstall the same pkgs, in order to have a consistent box .. for the present. I can work up the upgrade start of next week
[18:10] <chrisml> nacc thanks
[18:11] <Haris> by then I can have the outbound traffic enabled for this box. which will help me download and install pkgs on auto
[18:12] <ducasse> Haris: did you simply try another mirror?
[18:12] <Haris> ?
[18:12] <theseb> Do systemd scripts NEED an "After=" line in the [Unit] section and/or a "WantedBy=" line in the [Install] section?  (I'm trying to make the simplest generic template for custom scripts
[18:12] <Haris> let me try
[18:12] <nacc> Haris: the issue is going to be the mirrors don't keep all the old pacakges
[18:12] <Haris> I'v tried 2 mirrors till now
[18:12] <nacc> Haris: no one wants anyone to install an insecure package
[18:12] <Haris> its outgoing port 80 traffic for this box. its blocked
[18:13] <nacc> Haris: and since the archive doesn't advertise that version, it won't find it
[18:13] <nacc> Haris: e.g. on http://92.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apache2/ there is no 4.5
[18:13] <Haris> hmm
[18:13] <nacc> Haris: there is 4 and 4.13
[18:13] <nacc> Haris: as those are the two supported versions
[18:14] <nacc> Haris: also if the mirror kept every old version, the mirrors would be enormouse
[18:14] <nacc> s/e//
[18:14] <Haris> well, centos keeps pkgs in a directory on a mirror. ubuntu doesn't have publicly browsable pkg list. its just downloadable
[18:14] <nacc> Haris: that's FUD
[18:14] <nacc> Haris: you can browse any mirror if you want
[18:14] <nacc> Haris: I just did
[18:14] <ioria> theseb, no, it's not required, but depends on your script
[18:14] <Haris> hmm
[18:14] <Haris> I can browse http://mirrors.nayatel.com/centos/7.3.1611/os/x86_64/Packages/
[18:15] <Haris> I don't know how to browse pkgs for 14.04.2
[18:15] <nacc> Haris: 14.04.2 isn't really a thing in that sense
[18:15] <Haris> hmm
[18:15] <k1l> Haris: the 14.04.2 or 14.04.3 are like servicepacks on windows.
[18:16] <nacc> k1l: i feel like htat should also be made into a FAQ :)
[18:16] <k1l> if you update 14.04 the system will become 14.04.3 etc automatically
[18:16] <Haris> hmm
[18:16] <nacc> Haris: it's just a point in time snapshot of the archive basically
[18:17] <nacc> Haris: in any case, you can browse the mirror you are using, I just showed you the apache2 diretory, for instance
[18:17] <Haris> yep. checking it out
[18:17] <Haris> making a list of pkgs to download
[18:17] <k1l> if you like a better search, have a look at packages.ubuntu.com
[18:18] <Haris> is this version ok ? --> http://92.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2-bin_2.4.7-1ubuntu4.13_amd64.deb
[18:18] <Haris> hmm
[18:18] <k1l> Haris: why dont you use apt to get the supported version?
[18:19] <Haris> because apt can't do outgoing port 80 connections from this box
[18:19] <Haris> at present
[18:19] <Haris> its nearly midnight here
[18:19] <nacc> Haris: right but the above is http as well
[18:19] <nacc> Haris: so presumably you're going to download locally and scp
[18:19] <nacc> Haris: at which point, use apt to download locally
[18:19] <Haris> I'm going to download that on my box and then scp to the target machine
[18:20] <stevessss> so.. the big reason I like Xorg and dont want mir to replace it and cause all gnome libraries to be compiled without X support is that if I run ubuntu in a container on windows or mac
[18:20] <Brie> Is this where I can talk about problems with Ubuntu?
[18:20] <stevessss> and graphical apps loose X compatibility, then Xming and Xquartz dont help me run graphical apps anymore
[18:21] <ducasse> stevessss: we went through this earlier, i explained it to you
[18:21] <nacc> Haris: tbh, it's pretty rude to ome to a volunteer channel and then complain about how long it's taking to get something fixed that sounds like your job. You can use the latest version from the mirror(s) and it should be fine. But you may end up needing to update dependencies, etc.
[18:21] <stevessss> so ubuntu is never getting rid of X right?
[18:21] <nacc> Brie: yes
[18:21] <nacc> Brie: where problems are specific issues, not general complaints :)
[18:21] <stevessss> maybe it wont be default.. but it will always be 100% supported
[18:21] <ducasse> stevessss: not in many years yet
[18:21] <OerHeks> stevessss, no, xorg should be replaced. Mir it is :-D
[18:22] <Brie> Okay, well I play alot of Steam. Today though it didnt open. I tried opening many times and it "updates" and then just vanishes. I ran Steam from terminal and got this http://pastebin.com/wfYapqZP
[18:22] <nacc> stevessss: also this isn't a suport topic, it doesn't feel like -- it's a bit of a rant/offtopic
[18:22] <guest123> hello.. every time i turn on the computer i get some error messages about a non installed program.. i'm pretti sure it's an older log and i even need this update (windows font or someting even).. ho I delete the error logs? i kann't find it
[18:22] <Haris> I'm sorry for being or sounding rude. I'm just trying to get things done in a consistent way. and then figure out to make all things good at a later time
[18:22] <k1l> stevessss: you know that there is a movement away from x not matter of mir, right?
[18:22] <stevessss> are their mir servers for osx and windows that ubuntu-vm apps can connect to?
[18:22] <nacc> Haris: the problem is, because the client's system is so out of date, it's hard to reproduce it easily
[18:23] <Haris> yep
[18:23] <ducasse> stevessss: no, it doesn't work like that. besides, mir is far from ready
[18:23] <Haris> we don't usually get enough time to do the dev work. its hard to plan for upgrades or migrations on our own time after COB
[18:24] <Haris> I can't take the box down for extended periods, while there's more than a dozen guys who need to work on it
[18:24] <nacc> Brie: where did you get steam from?
[18:24] <nacc> Haris: security updates, in and of themselves, don't necessarily require reboots (except the kernel ones)
[18:24] <Haris> I can't afford to have an inconsistent box or be stuck in searching for deps
[18:24] <nacc> Haris: well, ther eare others too
[18:24] <Haris> on manual
[18:24] <nacc> Haris: but you can afford to be readily hackable?
[18:24] <nacc> Haris: it makes no sense
[18:24] <codepython777> my windows remote desktop hangs on ubuntu - any ideas on how to fix this?
[18:25] <nacc> Haris: and if that is really their position, they should pay out the tooth, because as of right now, they're not even supported by Canonical -- they are running a zombie machine effectively
[18:25] <Brie> I got Steam from the Steam website itself
[18:25] <Haris> I'll conceit that point for now
[18:25] <Brie> It worked fine until today
[18:25] <stevessss> will mir support full remote apps before Xorg is removed from ubuntu?
[18:25] <nacc> Brie: ah, you might need to ask steam then
[18:25] <Haris> if it means to get the work done
[18:25] <ducasse> stevessss: as i've said before, you're worrying about things that are a long way
[18:25] <Brie> Oh...
[18:25] <nacc> Brie: we an only really support the ubuntu packaged steam (in the partner repo)
[18:25] <Haris> I can manage the short term security implication(s)
[18:25] <Brie> Also Open Broadcaster Software won't open either, could this be related? Can a reboot fix this?
[18:26] <k1l> stevessss: there is xmir, for running x only apps, yes. but programs will move away from x too
[18:26] <nacc> Haris: I don't think you really can, but that's a choice you get to make
[18:26] <stevessss> yeah.. so if programs move away from X.. can I still use them remote without X?
[18:26] <nacc> Haris: in any case, you will need to find an 'old' mirror of trusty or you'll be forced to upgrade to the latest security release
[18:26] <nacc> Haris: btw, why are you doing this? did something go wrong?
[18:26] <k1l> stevessss: remote? you mean with ssh forward?
[18:26] <ojatko> hello everyone, I got these unusual lines from the output of chkrootkit: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24059537/...the Trojan one seems to be a false positive as I found out, and the suspect php file is referred here as exploitable: https://is.gd/yDAofP..is that the reason chkrootkit regarded it 'suspect'..is this alert familiar to you?
[18:26] <ducasse> stevessss: not as of today
[18:27] <stevessss> is mir likely to impliment this before it fully replaces X?
[18:27] <Haris> apache's responses are not reaching their destination(s). I have nothing of significance as a diagnosis for this after 4-5 hrs of troubleshooting
[18:27] <stevessss> including xnee screen action catpture, scrot screen shot capture, remote frame buffer etc
[18:28] <seeker399> I was wondering if anyone can help me with passwords
[18:28] <nacc> Haris: all of a sudden?
[18:28] <morsnowski> seeker399, it's usuall qwertzu
[18:28] <guest123> have a nice day
[18:28] <scottjl> i use abc123 everywhere
[18:28] <nacc> !details | seeker399
[18:28] <k1l> stevessss: the idea is that the new systems like wayland or mir have the same features like x did. yes, that is the plan.
[18:29] <stevessss> for me personally.. I hardly care if a desktop display server looks pretty but I do care about business features like remote desktop, individual remote apps and key/action capture etc
[18:29] <Haris> yep
[18:29] <ojatko> can anyone help please? I have a fresh install and I get this bizarre alerts that I didnt get with old installs
[18:29] <anddam> why is my month-old laptop install of 16.04 running 4.4.0-64 while the system I installed today has 4.8.0-39?
[18:29] <Haris> I can browse apache's vhosts just fine on the box. but not from network
[18:30] <nacc> anddam: the hwe kernel in 16.04.2 is opt-in
[18:30] <nacc> anddam: for upgraders
[18:30] <nacc> anddam: fresh installs were opted-in automatically
[18:30] <Haris> but I can telnet apache's port from the network, hand over a request to apache, to which I get no response
[18:30] <anddam> I see, how do I opt in?
[18:30] <tgm4883> *Fresh installs of point releases
[18:30] <nacc> tgm4883: err, yes, thanks!
[18:30] <anddam> also is there a newer kernel than 4.8.0 for 16.04? I stumbled onto a XHCI problem and I'd like to see if a newer kernel helps
[18:31] <nacc> anddam: no
[18:31] <k1l> !hwe | anddam
[18:31] <tgm4883> anddam: not one that would be supported
[18:31] <craptalk> how can i enable fn keys on my laptop? i supposed to use the combination of fn keys to increase a volume for example, but i could it without press the fn keys, so i gues the fn keys have some problem
[18:31] <nacc> anddam: `apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04`
[18:31] <ducasse> stevessss: wayland will not be network transparent, i haven't heard anything about mir implementing it
[18:31] <craptalk> i am currently using lenovo IdeaPad 130
[18:32] <anddam> I'll read the wiki page first, thanks
[18:32] <craptalk> please let me know if you guys know how to do it
[18:33] <nacc> craptalk: you can use `xev` to see if the keypresses are recognized
[18:34] <anddam> I stumbled on this "Set SEL for initiated-device Ux failed" error with this USB3.0 HDD enclosure
[18:34] <nacc> anddam: there technicaly are two packages 'linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04' and 'linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04-edge'
[18:34] <anddam> it's http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg93249.html but from that thread seems there is not actual solution
[18:34] <anddam> also it's 2014 and other bugs from the era talks about kernel 3.something
[18:34] <nacc> anddam: it's just a stray debug message?
[18:34] <nacc> anddam: just ignore the message?
[18:35] <anddam> nacc: the usbcore won't register the device, and I get no sd device for the unit
[18:35] <anddam> so it's not there
[18:35] <anddam> https://gist.github.com/anddam/06f0d75b59a07eec2e05c75cd7e07db0
[18:35] <anddam> notice the first dmesg block is the device on USB2 port
[18:35] <nacc> anddam: hrm, that e-mail does not refer to a failure
[18:35] <anddam> the second block is the USB3 port
[18:36] <craptalk> nacc, after i did xev, the button that i pressed with combination of fn key, is not being recognised
[18:36] <nacc> anddam: the issue is not the SEL bits
[18:36] <ojatko> I am asking for the fifth time, does noone know about it? I got stuck with the freshly installed system
[18:36] <nacc> anddam: the issue is earlier in the trace, the device spat errors on the address
[18:37] <craptalk> maybe i need to configure it via BIOS?
[18:37] <craptalk> since ubuntu doenst need any driver for I/O
[18:37] <scottjl> ojatko: you might want to post the messages you got in the alert box.
[18:37] <nacc> craptalk: is the device USB3 comaptible?
[18:38] <craptalk> nacc, yes
[18:38] <scottjl> ojatko: don't come in and post "can someone help me?" just come in and post your question, as detailed as you can.
[18:38] <anddam> nacc: no there are several mentions of that
[18:38] <craptalk> device here means my laptop?
[18:38] <ojatko> scottjl, and you look up in the chat window if someone says he's asking for the fifth time
[18:38] <ojatko> I posted the paste multiple times
[18:39] <seeker399> can anyone help with a password reset
[18:39] <ojatko> gosh
[18:39] <scottjl> my scroll back only goes back as far as i was in the channel, so maybe i didn't see posts 1-4.
[18:39] <k1l> seeker399: use the recovery boot
[18:39] <seeker399> and then what
[18:39] <k1l> !password | seeker399
[18:39] <nacc> craptalk: you mean xev doesn't see the second keypress?
[18:39] <ducasse> ojatko: drop the attitude if you want help, we're all volunteers
[18:39] <ojatko> scottjl, it's enough to guess that the question was asked before when someone said he was asking for the fifth time, right?
[18:40] <craptalk> nacc, yeap, it doesnt map it
[18:40] <scottjl> ojatko: i can see why you were ignored the first four times. sorry i bothered to help you the 5th time.
[18:40] <ojatko> ducasse, it is not only about 'my' attitude
[18:40] <anddam> nacc: but the it accepts an address, I figured it was only the controller doing some odd stuff
[18:40] <ojatko> which was a response
[18:41] <nacc> anddam: i think the device is failing to configure on usb3
[18:41] <ojatko> I got stuck with the install due to bizarre critical-looking messages and get no answer here over the past hour
[18:41] <scottjl> all i saw was "ojatko: can anyone help please? i have a fresh install and i get this bizarre alrets that i didn't get with old installs" no detail. no contents of alert boxes. not much to go on there. i didn't see postings 1-4. so i guess i can't help you.
[18:41] <ojatko> and then someone says "first tell your problem"
[18:42] <anddam> how can I trak this down more?
[18:42] <anddam> I can ofc use an USB2 port or disable XHCI in firmware and have it run ehci
[18:42] <ojatko> all right. have no problem with  posting again: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24059537/
[18:42] <anddam> but that won't go high speed
[18:44] <david_raul> someone here knows python programing?
[18:44] <nacc> ojatko: so it's not bizarre -- you ran a tool that tries to help find rootktis.
[18:44] <nacc> *rootkits
[18:44] <k1l> ojatko: to make it short: chrotkit is not a one click antivirus program. i got a huge load of false positives and you need to look after them if they are false positives or not
[18:44] <nacc> ojatko: that tool seems buggy
[18:44] <nacc> ojatko: what k1l said
[18:44] <Haris> leaving it "as it is". will do it when I have gotten network access to do things normally via apt-get / aptitude utility on auto
[18:44] <rein_> hi
[18:45] <nacc> david_raul: yes, of course, but it's offtopic here -- you want #python
[18:45] <k1l> ojatko: so, dig into it and see if its plausible or you made that changes manually. its not a beginners tool.
[18:45] <nacc> Haris: sorry if you got lost in the noise -- I think that's the right choice
[18:45] <Haris> thank you all
[18:45] <david_raul> nacc: but there ask me for registering and i dont know how to do that
[18:45] <HoNgOuRu> nacc, mcphail , thank you a lot, its awesome
[18:45] <nacc> ojatko: you are not stuck in any sense of the word, except you have chosen to be stuck, afaict
[18:45] <nacc> HoNgOuRu: yw
[18:45] <nacc> !register | david_raul
[18:46] <ojatko> k1l, thing is, it is easy to find out that the trojan thing is a false positive, there are loads of posts about it. but with the sqspell.php file, how can I dig into whether it is a false positive or not?
[18:46] <anddam> nacc: also notice how on third attempt the device accepts the address
[18:46] <nacc> k1l: fyi, i've update the hwe wiki page for 16.04's changes
[18:46] <anddam> I think the matter is what followes
[18:46] <anddam> follows
[18:46] <david_raul> tanks guys nac,ubottu
[18:46] <k1l> nacc: alright :)
[18:46] <ojatko> nacc, stuck because I dont know whether I should reinstall or if the problem is with the iso, or anything
[18:47] <nacc> anddam: it resets right away
[18:47] <ojatko> shortly, how can I know if this php file alert is real or not? this is what I have been asking
[18:48] <anddam> nacc: would ##linux be an appropriate place of discussion?
[18:48] <nacc> anddam: i think that issue in the e-mail maybe was fixed by 51df62ff74b371866c1006dee887a8e42838c1f2 upstream
[18:48] <nacc> anddam: probably better than here
[18:49] <ojatko> there is not much online reference to this alert, whereas hacking blogs refer to it as 'suitable for exploitation'
[18:49] <ojatko> the file, I mean
[18:50] <nacc> ojatko: that file is generated at runtime by dictionaries-common
[18:50] <nacc> ojatko: you can look at it if you want, it's pretty clear if it's a trojan or not
[18:51] <ojatko> nacc, I already see it, it's in the shown folder, it is a 366 byte file..and you say it is created by the system..so I shouldn't suspect it?
[18:52] <anddam> nacc: mmm look this user dmesg, start of the page https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-949008-start-0.htmla
[18:53] <anddam> nacc: he gets the same "Set SEL for initiated-…" fails and then the usb-storage device registered
[18:53] <nacc> anddam: 404 here
[18:53] <nacc> anddam: in any case, you can file a bug if you want, it's probably out of the scope o being able to help here
[18:53] <nicomachus> yea there's an extra 'a' at the end.
[18:53] <nacc> anddam: you could also try the mainline ppa
[18:53] <anddam> I dropped an tailing 'a' letter
[18:53] <nacc> !mainline | anddam
[18:53] <anddam> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-949008-start-0.html
[18:54] <Lavinho> good morning
[18:55] <Lavinho> hp stream 14 slow internet ubuntu
[18:55] <Lavinho> where is ?
[18:56] <Lavinho> what is
[18:56] <Lavinho> ?
[18:56] <ojatko> so how will I know if that file is ok or not?
[18:56] <OerHeks> Lavinho, can you rephrase that, i cannot make a question out of that
[18:56] <uzjsn> a $300 laptop.
[18:57] <Lavinho> The internet is slow in hp stream 14 with ubuntu
[18:57] <anddam> nacc: where did you get that kernel commit hash from?
[18:57] <Lavinho> what is ?
[18:58] <nacc> anddam: i looked at the kernel tree. In a former life I was a kernel devleoper
[18:58] <disi> i have a script that changes my default gateway, but every day (presumably when the DHCP lease is renewed), those settings get overwritten. is there a way to prevent this?
[18:59] <ojatko> is there no answer here to in which way I can check whether the file '/var/cache/dictionaries-common/sqspell.php' has nothing to suspect or not, as chkrootkit states the former?
[18:59] <uzjsn> Lavinho: what is _what_?
[18:59] <anddam> nacc: and then you were redeemed
[18:59] <anddam> nacc: ;-)
[18:59] <nacc> anddam: indeed :)
[18:59] <Lavinho> internet slow
[18:59] <anddam> nacc: I'm not good at gitweb-fu
[18:59] <anddam> nacc: oh wait, you checked it locally, not on kernel.org
[19:01] <nacc> anddam: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=51df62ff74b371866c1006dee887a8e42838c1f2
[19:01] <ojatko> how can I check if the file is proper or not?
[19:01] <ojatko> how can I check if the file is proper or not?
[19:01] <ojatko> how can I check if the file is proper or not?
[19:01] <ojatko> how can I check if the file is proper or not?
[19:01] <ojatko> how can I check if the file is proper or not?
[19:01] <nacc> !patience | ojatko
[19:01] <nacc> ojatko: next time, someone will ban you.
[19:01] <saitoh183> has anyone installed guacamole with mysql authentication that could help me out? im only getting a blank page when i try to open in browser
[19:01] <nacc> (hopefully)
[19:02] <penguin_> Hello
[19:02] <anddam> nacc: thx
[19:02] <nacc> ojatko: we don't know why the tool you ran says it wasn't proper. I have no indication it is not on my system. I am not on your system.
[19:02] <freakyy> hi all. how do i get exactly the default look of ubuntu budgie 17.04 in ubuntu 17.04 which has been upgraded from budgie-remix ubuntu 16.10?
[19:03] <tehmal> Guys
[19:03] <tehmal> prob
[19:03] <nacc> freakyy: #ubuntu+1
[19:03] <tehmal> http://wklej.to/ivUup
[19:03] <k1l> ojatko: that is what i meant with: you need to dig into it. what program is that file from, what should it look like, what should be in it, why did chrootkit mark it as positive,....
[19:03] <tehmal> Ubu 16.04.2
[19:04] <penguin_> Can anybody help me resolve dependencies errors/Broken packages??
[19:04] <tehmal> vlc from snaps also not works
[19:04] <nacc> !details | penguin_
[19:05] <nacc> tehmal: what version of ubuntu?
[19:05] <tehmal> 16.04.2
[19:05] <tehmal> fresh install -.-
[19:05] <nacc> tehmal: please pastebin `apt-cache policy vlc`
[19:05] <nacc> tehmal: and can you run with english in the terminal? LC_ALL=C (iirc)
[19:06] <k1l> tehmal: ran sudo apt update?
[19:07] <penguin_> I have the following problem "Software database is broken   It is impossible to install or remove any software. Please use the package manager "Synaptic" or run "sudo apt-get install -f" in a terminal to fix this issue at first."
[19:07] <tehmal> nacc, http://wklej.to/SYqD1
[19:08] <_3bnd_> what would cause an interface (eth0) that is setup in /etc/networks/interface to fail during boot, but then be available to setup manually as eth6 with ifconfig?
[19:08] <scottjl> penguin_: did you run sudo apt-get install -f ?
[19:08] <OerHeks> penguin_, what happens when you do?
[19:08] <penguin_> yes i did
[19:08] <penguin_> but hasn't helped me
[19:08] <scottjl> and what did it say?
[19:08] <nacc> thgilfod1ol: did you run `sudo apt update` first?
[19:08] <k1l> penguin_: run "sudo apt update" and then "sudo apt full-upgrade" and then put all the output onto paste.ubuntu.com
[19:08] <nacc> thgilfod1ol: sorry
[19:08] <nacc> tehmal: did you run `sudo apt update` first?
[19:08] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[19:09] <saitoh183> I followed this guide https://www.chasewright.com/guacamole-with-mysql-on-ubuntu/ and i see this in the tomcat catalina.out: http://pastebin.com/RCK4umAU
[19:09] <nacc> tehmal: if you did, can you pastebin the ouptut of `LC_ALL=C sudo apt install vlc libgles1-mesa`
[19:09] <nacc> tehmal: `LC_ALL=C sudo apt install vlc libgles1-mesa liblges2-mesa`
[19:09] <k1l> tehmal: using the kubuntu ppa?
[19:09] <thgilfod1ol> nacc: all good haha, it happens
[19:09] <tehmal> k1l, nope clean Ubuntu 16.04.2
[19:09] <ioria> _3bnd_, it's really eth0 your interface ?  run   'ip a'
[19:10] <k1l> tehmal: can you install the package that is named there and see what is blocking it?
[19:10] <penguin_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24060418/
[19:10] <penguin_> output
[19:11] <tehmal> nacc, http://pastebin.com/ii3r5CQ5
[19:11] <_3bnd_> ioria, come up as eth6. i will rewrite config with that iface
[19:11] <ioria> _3bnd_, ok
[19:14] <nacc> tehmal: that second one, typo -- libgles2-mesa
[19:14] <tehmal> nacc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24060439/
[19:14] <tehmal> ok i type
[19:15] <nacc> tehmal: and pastebin `LC_ALL=C apt-cache policy libgles1-mesa`
[19:15] <scottjl> penguin_: you've got a conflict there with fpu_control.h
[19:15] <scottjl> penguin_: I'd try removing libc6-dev-amd64:i386 entirely
[19:16] <tehmal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24060447/'
[19:16] <OerHeks> scottjl, could this work too, instead of removal? sudo dpkg --purge --force-depends "libc6-dev-amd64:i386"
[19:17] <nacc> tehmal: it would appear your archive is slightly out of date
[19:17] <OerHeks> seen many issues like this, hard to dig
[19:17] <scottjl> should get rid of it yes. then try the install -f aftewards.
[19:17] <nacc> !info libgles1-mesa xenial | tehmal
[19:17] <tehmal> nacc, not shit... ityped apt update upgrade full-ugrade milion times
[19:17] <_3bnd_> ioria, that worked, thanks.  very strange that it skipped eth0-5
[19:17] <nacc> tehmal: that's the version you should see
[19:17] <nacc> tehmal: excuse me?
[19:18] <tehmal> i should hv acctual repo =C
[19:18] <tehmal> damn...
[19:18] <tehmal> maybe next day be repaired
[19:18] <nacc> tehmal: you are using a mirror. mirrors take time to update
[19:18] <tehmal> nacc, cal u tell me what is "GOD MIRROR"? ;)
[19:19] <nacc> k1l: could you confirm that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack shows you the correct pacakge for the xenial hwe kernel? having issues with the wiki locally
[19:21] <ioria> _3bnd_, you're welcome
[19:22] <ducasse> _3bnd_: see if there are any udev rename rules under /etc/udev/rules.d/
[19:23] <nvdrivers> anyone able to help, tried upgrading nvidia drivers and now im in a world of shit
[19:23] <nvdrivers> "NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running."
[19:23] <nvdrivers> i try purging, reinstalling, etc.
[19:23] <nvdrivers> without luck
[19:24] <scottjl> nvdrivers: can you roll back to your previous version?
[19:24] <nvdrivers> i tried
[19:24] <nvdrivers> i tried to upgrade cuda
[19:24] <nvdrivers> with cuda-repo-ubuntu1604-8-0-local-ga2_8.0.61-1_amd64.deb
[19:24] <nvdrivers> im confused, no messages about the drivers in any logs
[19:25] <scottjl> nothing in dmesg?
[19:25] <scottjl> can you manually load the module?
[19:25] <nvdrivers> nothing in dmesg othter than nvidia hdmi sound
[19:25] <nvdrivers> tried loading with modprobe, i'll just try again and paste output
[19:26] <uzjsn> tehmal: try apt-get install libglapi-mesa=11.2.0
[19:27] <nvdrivers> modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia_378 not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-64-generic
[19:27] <nvdrivers> but the package is installed :(
[19:27] <tehmal> uzjsn, E: Version '11.2.0' for 'libglapi-mesa' was not found
[19:28] <gebruiker> can someone explain to me how to capture a video stream?
[19:28] <ioria> nvdrivers, no idea about cuda, you can start with pasting  dpkg -l | grep nvidia*
[19:28] <ioria> gebruiker, it really depends on the stream ;)
[19:29] <tehmal> lol... Republic of Poland/ Data Storage Center :  Two days behind
[19:29] <tehmal> repo...
[19:29] <scottjl> nvddrivers: uname -a  - are you running 4.4.0-64-generic?
[19:29] <ioria> gebruiker,  but DownloadHelper in FF  is good
[19:29] <gebruiker> ioria: ah ok
[19:29] <gebruiker> ioria: i will check that out, I am trying to capture anime
[19:30] <nvdrivers> http://pastebin.com/MAaRR4gE
[19:30] <ioria> gebruiker,  yep
[19:31] <tehmal> damn.. change repo to "update" not helping wtf?!
[19:31] <nvdrivers> i used to have an older version of the driver installed, installing that again doesn't seem to help
[19:31] <OerHeks> tehmal, no need for that language, keep this channel family friendly, thanks.
[19:32] <gebruiker> ioria: thanks! it appears to be working :)
[19:32] <tehmal> OerHeks, im sorry
[19:32] <nvdrivers> i want to avoid wiping the hard disk and starting again
[19:32] <ioria> gebruiker,  banzai !!!
[19:32] <nvdrivers> if possible
[19:32] <nacc> tehmal: i don't understand what you changed?
[19:32] <scottjl> nvdrivers: uname -a
[19:32] <tehmal> nacc, repository server
[19:32] <nvdrivers> Linux SGD1.speech-graphics.com 4.4.0-64-generic #85-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 20 11:50:30 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:32] <nacc> tehmal: the issue is (i think) pl.archive.ubuntu.com -- what is 'repo' and 'update' and in your statement?
[19:32] <tehmal> to "up to date" server
[19:32] <nacc> tehmal: what did you hange it to?
[19:32] <nacc> tehmal: *change
[19:32] <scottjl> nvdrivers: so it doesn't look like it installed correctly, because the module isn't there.
[19:32] <tehmal> http://ftp.vectranet.pl/ubuntu/nacc, v
[19:33] <tehmal> nacc http://ftp.vectranet.pl/ubuntu/ this one
[19:33] <nvdrivers> i dont see errors when apt is installing the drivers
[19:33] <nvdrivers> does a bunch of dkms stuff, updates initrd, then i reboot
[19:33] <tehmal> nacc, i try now with http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/ubuntu/
[19:33] <scottjl> dkms is barfing out then (common)
[19:34] <scottjl> 375 is the last version you had in and worked?
[19:34] <nvdrivers> no was...
[19:34] <nvdrivers> 367.18 i think,
[19:34] <egonsen> how can i remove all desktop environments i installed manually? i want to keep only ubuntu unity
[19:34] <ioria> nvdrivers,  but what your issue right now ? no login, low resolution ... what ?
[19:35] <nacc> tehmal: did you run `apt update` after changing mirrors? the one you just showed has the correct pacakge
[19:35] <ioria> egonsen, that's not easy
[19:35] <nacc> tehmal: http://ftp.vectranet.pl/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mesa/
[19:35] <scottjl> what i would do is purge nvidia* then try a dpkg -i of the 367 if you have it
[19:35] <egonsen> ioria, why?
[19:35] <tehmal> nacc, ooo ! progres friedn "The following packages will be upgraded:  mesa-vdpau-drivers nano snap-confine snapd ubuntu-core-launcher"
[19:36] <scottjl> some times lingering config files can mess with updates
[19:36] <nvdrivers> i didn't install 367 from a deb
[19:36] <ioria> egonsen,  what you installed ? k-x-l-desktop ? what exactly ?
[19:36] <nvdrivers> i have done purge multiple times
[19:36] <OerHeks> nvdrivers, so you used the cuda 8 toolkit from nvidia itself, that gives issues: upgrade to yakkety 16.10 and use the cuda toolkit 8 from our repos
[19:36] <tehmal> Friend! Works... ahh this outdates repos hehe. Q: "damn" is bad word in english?
[19:36] <egonsen> ioria, xfce and maybe another one. i cannot remember. where can i see which environments i installed?
[19:36] <nvdrivers> OerHeks: hey thanks
[19:36] <nvdrivers> i'll try that
[19:37] <nvdrivers> this is ubuntu server, it's a machine learning box, has been running fine but i wanted to try latest drivers and cuda 8.0
[19:37] <ioria> egonsen,  ls -l /usr/share/xsessions/
[19:37] <OerHeks> nvdrivers, xenial just gets 7.5 in our repos < https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-cuda-toolkit>
[19:38] <nvdrivers> what version of 8.0 is available in 16.10
[19:38] <nvdrivers> reason for update was torch code looking for stuff only in latest headers, and having issues with VNC
[19:38] <egonsen> ioria, it's only ubuntu and xfce. so i want to fully remove xfce
[19:40] <ioria> egonsen,  can you paste     apt-get -s autoremove --purge xfce*
[19:42] <ioria> egonsen,  without sudo
[19:43] <OerHeks> oh that will be fun, removal of a desktop ... try the -s simulate as ioria suggests
[19:43] <ioria> OerHeks, never worked for me :) idk why
[19:43] <nvdrivers> i guess i will try upgrade to 16.10
[19:43] <nvdrivers> unless i can get more info on why the modules aren't installing
[19:43] <OerHeks> ioria, when snap is 100% integrated, our job will be boring
[19:43] <nvdrivers> there goes my weekend
[19:44] <ioria> OerHeks, yep
[19:44] <egonsen> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24060551/
[19:45] <ioria> egonsen,  did you already removed something ?
[19:46] <Dethfull> how can i inherit between  this:
[19:46] <egonsen> nothing i remember
[19:46] <Dethfull> if [  ${my_link} ] && [ ${ny_link} ]
[19:46] <egonsen> ioria, why is there no easy way? like just purging xfce4?
[19:46] <Zefrog> Hi there
[19:46] <Dethfull> i want to know if [  ${my_link} ] or and or how [ ${ny_link} ]
[19:47] <ioria> egonsen,  because it's just a meta-package
[19:47] <Dethfull> for example, i have two players
[19:47] <nacc> Dethfull: do you mean to ask in a bash channel maybe?
[19:48] <Dethfull> bash channel?
[19:48] <Dethfull> freenode?
[19:48] <nacc> !alis | Dethfull
[19:48] <ioria> !info xfce4 | egonsen
[19:48] <nvdrivers> sudo update-alternatives --config x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf ->> http://pastebin.com/ifF26kqA
[19:49] <Dethfull> but in another day, i got answer here
[19:49] <nacc> Dethfull: it looks like you are asking for bash support (based upon the syntax)
[19:49] <Dethfull> from this (sleep x; kill app) &
[19:49] <nvdrivers> is that relevant?
[19:49] <Dethfull> in background
[19:50] <nacc> Dethfull: i don't know what you're saying. I am saying if you want help programming in bash, you should ask in a bash channel
[19:50] <Dethfull> ,i found bash answer here in another day
[19:50] <Dethfull> ,i found bash answer here in another day
[19:50] <nacc> Dethfull: that's nice -- still is offtopic
[19:50] <Dethfull> i am not crazy
[19:50] <ioria> egonsen,  to be honest, i'am not sure ; but you can run the real command: sudo  apt-get -s autoremove --purge xfce*
[19:50] <ioria> egonsen,  to be honest, i'am not sure ; but you can run the real command: sudo  apt-get  autoremove --purge xfce*
[19:52] <ioria> egonsen,  btw, i noticed this in your paste 5 not fully installed or removed.
[20:03] <ruicruz> hi there. i have this problem about a audacity repository when i do apt-get update: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24060636/ - is there a way to remove this repository? how? i don't have audacity instaled anymore.
[20:03] <OerHeks> !ppapurge
[20:05] <ruicruz> thanks OerHeks, checking that.
[20:05] <OerHeks> ppa:ubuntuhandbook1/audacity
[20:06] <OerHeks> ruicruz, and remove that epson repo too, manually,  from updates/sources, as it never installed any package
[20:06] <ruicruz> ok, good eye on that tiny one.
[20:07] <ruicruz> thanks, i didnt notice it
[20:08] <penguin_> can anybody help me fix software center in lubuntu?
[20:09] <penguin_> can anybody help me fix software center in lubuntu? The package system is broken.
[20:10] <ruicruz> OnkelTem seems that i ran into another problem with ppa-purge: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24060703/
[20:10] <ruicruz> OerHeks
[20:10] <ruicruz> I mean
[20:10] <nvdrivers> now i get "NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (No such file or directory)"
[20:10] <nvdrivers> after trying nvidia-current
[20:11] <nvdrivers> =(
[20:12] <OerHeks> ruicruz, oh, that ppa is completely removed, so i guess it also never installed any package. do as with the epson repo, disable/remove it from updates/sources and update again
[20:12] <OerHeks> see https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuhandbook1 no audacity ppa anymore.
[20:12] <ruicruz> ok, got it. will do.
[20:13] <OerHeks> always check the launchpad page if it provides packages for your version
[20:14] <e_> ##linux
[20:19] <alkisg> (10:09:19 μμ) penguin_: can anybody help me fix software center in lubuntu? The package system is broken. ==> details?
[20:20] <Fabler> What's wrong with your software center?
[20:20] <Fabler> Can you just reinstall it?
[20:20] <penguin_> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nEBgoARUCJU/UWKTpV7B5HI/AAAAAAAAIVA/EYUVQfcS9Hw/s1600/broken_package_errorfixed1.jpg
[20:21] <alkisg> penguin_: ok, so open a terminal and run what it says, sudo apt-get install f
[20:21] <alkisg> -f
[20:21] <Fabler> And what it says?
[20:21] <alkisg> Fabler: he provided a screenshot above
[20:21] <penguin_> paste the output here?
[20:21] <alkisg> !paste
[20:22] <alkisg> penguin_: read this ^
[20:22] <penguin_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24060761/
[20:22] <penguin_> ok done
[20:23] <alkisg> penguin_: press y and enter there
[20:23] <alkisg> So that it continues
[20:23] <penguin_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24060765/
[20:23] <Fabler> Ok, all required packets will be installed, and problem must be fixed
[20:24] <samlamamma> Alright. I wanna use a Sixaxis controller to play Higan (SNES roms). I've got xboxdrv installed, I've got qtSixa installed (I just wanna use it thru USB though). xboxdrv is getting the input from my controller but when I wanna set input config in Higan and it's waiting for me to press a button it doesn't react when I press one on my Sixaxis. Is it Higan's fault? Have I missed out on anything?
[20:24] <Fabler> Oh, sorry. I did not noticed last message
[20:25] <anddam> nacc: confirmed it was the timeout error
[20:26] <anddam> nacc: btw another compter (this laptop) sees the drive just fine, and evn the original computer with issues saw the drive after a couple re-plugin
[20:26] <alkisg> penguin_: output of this? dpkg -l libc6-dev*
[20:27] <penguin_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24060782/
[20:28] <saitoh183> anyone here use guacamole?
[20:28] <OerHeks> penguin_, WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO INSTALL WHEN THIS HAPPENED? ANDROID STUDIO PERHAPS?
[20:28] <OerHeks> oops
[20:28] <penguin_> steam
[20:29] <Fabler> Penguin, you can launch dpkg manually with --force-overwrite
[20:29] <alkisg> penguin_: try: sudo apt-get -f purge libc6-dev-i386
[20:30] <penguin_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24060797/
[20:30] <nacc> anddam: ok
[20:30] <OerHeks> penguin_, oke. did you try to remove lib6-dev-amd64:i386 as suggested earlier? this page describes your issue ( and possible fix) http://askubuntu.com/questions/869344/apt-get-problem-in-ubuntu-16-04
[20:30] <OerHeks> alkisg, +1
[20:31] <penguin_> I don't know why but I cannot access any page on askubuntu.com.All I see is
[20:31] <penguin_> Page Not Found We're sorry, we couldn't find the page you requested.  Try searching for similar questions  Browse our recent questions  Browse our popular tags  If you feel something is missing that should be here, contact us.
[20:31] <alkisg> Chaos, amd64 with teamviewer:i386 and steam:i386 and god knows what else :D
[20:31] <LiberBear> Hi, i have a homework that ask me to describe installing new devices in Linux. What u can shortly say about it. I mean (drivers formats, terminal commands if needs). P.S Sorry for bad eng, not my native
[20:32] <OerHeks> alkisg, known issues indeed..
[20:32] <penguin_> Yes.Dependencies were missing so I installed deb packages,manually via terminal by using dpkg -i command
[20:32] <penguin_> sorry im new to linux and I probably messed up a lot
[20:32] <alkisg> penguin_: and did you now learn to not do that? :D
[20:33] <Fabler> This is actually not good
[20:33] <OerHeks> LiberBear, we don't do your homework. https://help.ubuntu.com/
[20:33] <alkisg> penguin_: try these: sudo dpkg --purge lib6-dev-amd64:i386; sudo apt-get install -f
[20:34] <ioria> LiberBear, well, if the device is supported, the module will be automatically loaded, otherwise .... or you change kernel, or try alternative source
[20:34] <LiberBear> OerHeks, I though that only nerds like you can describe this ))
[20:34] <OerHeks> LiberBear, pretty good manuals @ https://help.ubuntu.com/
[20:34] <penguin_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24060817/
[20:35] <penguin_> guys.Do I have to do a clean installation of lubuntu?
[20:35] <Fabler> Penguin, no
[20:35] <alkisg> penguin_: sorry, I missed a "c": sudo dpkg --purge libc6-dev-amd64:i386; sudo apt-get install -f
[20:36] <LiberBear> ioria, If device not install automatically, we try to find driver, what format it has? (the most noob question you ever seen)
[20:36] <Fabler> alkisg, but if he will delete this package, teamviewer will load it as dependence, right?
[20:36] <alkisg> Fabler: it's possible that apt-get install -f will then autoremove some of the meta-packages, yes
[20:36] <ioria> LiberBear,usually, you need to compile yourself ... it's a tar.gz or .bz2 package
[20:37] <penguin_> something is being set up in terminal.
[20:37] <LiberBear> ioria, Thanks ^_^
[20:37] <ioria> LiberBear, ok
[20:37] <penguin_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24060834/
[20:37] <svalcken> ioria: hello, here my info about upgrade to 14.04.5. the upgrade and dist-upgrade has been done. release upgrade current run.
[20:37] <ioria> svalcken, ok
[20:38] <alkisg> penguin_: if that's all, then it's ok now?
[20:38] <sardior> Having problems with Steam on my Ubuntu again... just stopped working. This is the terminal messages when I run it from a terminal: http://pastebin.com/QiqhLFKV
[20:38] <Fabler> Penguin, I think, it must be ok now. alkisg was right
[20:39] <penguin_> Ok it is okay now. thanks
[20:39] <alkisg> np
[20:40] <penguin_> but I have anoter question
[20:40] <penguin_> when I run steam im prompted to install additional packages.
[20:40] <Fabler> What packages?
[20:41] <penguin_> Steam needs to install these additional packages:  libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[20:41] <Fabler> Look
[20:41] <penguin_> All I need is steam
[20:41] <Fabler> sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[20:41] <OerHeks> penguin_, what happens when you do?
[20:42] <sardior> It was running fine just a few days ago, then it just suddenly quit.
[20:42] <penguin_> when I open the steam launcher it brings up a terminal window that says: Steam needs to install these additional packages:
[20:42] <penguin_> libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[20:42] <penguin_> should I aggre?
[20:42] <penguin_> to install these?
[20:42] <Fabler> Yes, it will install them
[20:43] <OerHeks> maybe #steam-lug or #ubuntu-steam is a better help
[20:43] <qmr> god dammit cloudflare this is not what I wanted to do with my friday
[20:44] <OerHeks> !language | qmr but you know the channelrules already
[20:44] <penguin_> I cannot copy the output text from the package install window
[20:44] <penguin_> how can i take a screenshot?
[20:44] <Fabler> Alt+PrintScreen
[20:45] <nacc> penguin_: what is your actual question?
[20:45] <sardior> #steam-lug has 2 users in it, and #ubuntu-steam has 31... not sure how much help they will be, but I'll try. Thanks.
[20:45] <penguin_> blob:http://imgur.com/6c5eaea5-de8e-45d4-9a3e-6022a06e8e44
[20:45] <nacc> penguin_: yes, if you want to launch steam, install those packages
[20:45] <nacc> penguin_: if you don't want to launch steam, don't install them
[20:45] <nacc> penguin_: not sure why it's even a question
[20:46] <penguin_> I didn't want to mess up my system again
[20:46] <penguin_> so I asked if its safe
[20:46] <penguin_> to do that
[20:46] <nacc> penguin_: i don't know what you did to break your system before
[20:46] <penguin_> https://postimg.org/image/ufxyv2s7v/
[20:46] <nacc> penguin_: but it sounded like you used dpkg manually
[20:46] <nacc> penguin_: in which case, the above won't do that
[20:46] <ilgios> hi to everybody. I have a little problem with schroot. I have installed schroot, debootstrap and fs ubuntu14.04. I configured config file for schroot, but when i do schroot -c xxx, the fs where i logged is not the right one, but the one on my laptop. can someone help me?
[20:46] <OerHeks> penguin_, it is safe not to do it... and please mention next time you installed packages manually.
[20:47] <Fabler> Ok, Penguin, now just open terminal, and execute sudo apt-get install -f
[20:47] <penguin_> im sorry.I have been using lubuntu for a few days  now. I was trying various tips from google.
[20:48] <penguin_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24060886/
[20:49] <penguin_> I couldn't install steam in a normal way,hence I installed the package manually
[20:49] <penguin_> thats why I did it
[20:49] <ppf> why couldn't you install it?
[20:49] <penguin_> unmet dependencies
[20:49] <penguin_> https://postimg.org/image/ufxyv2s7v/
[20:49] <nacc> penguin_: and how did you try? partner repository?
[20:49] <Fabler> Actually, this is bad. Manually installed packages
[20:50] <penguin_> I downloaded deb installed for steam
[20:50] <nacc> penguin_: that is the mistake
[20:50] <penguin_> installer*
[20:50] <nacc> penguin_: steam is packaged for ubuntu, use the partner repository
[20:50] <ppf> penguin_: you probably got some ppa that's broken dependencies. just install steam from the repos
[20:50] <ppf> !info steam
[20:50] <nacc> err, multiverse not partner
[20:50] <penguin_> seems that lubuntu has not steam in its repo
[20:50] <ppf> yea, multiverse
[20:50] <nacc> penguin_: yes, it does
[20:50] <ppf> what version?
[20:51] <penguin_> I cant seem to find steam in lubuntu software center
[20:51] <ppf> what version?
[20:51] <nacc> penguin_: are you on 12.04?
[20:51] <penguin_> Lubuntu
[20:51] <penguin_> 16.04.2
[20:51] <penguin_> x64
[20:52] <OerHeks> penguin_, time to do some updating, libdrm2 is 	2.4.70-1~ubuntu16.04.1 ..
[20:52] <nacc> it's definitely available for 16.04; you just need to enable multiverse
[20:52] <ppf> !info steam xenial
[20:52] <ppf> there it is
[20:52] <penguin_> I haven't updated my system at all yet.
[20:52] <OerHeks> nacc, he needs updating i guess. sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:53] <OerHeks> *ALLWAYS*  update before installing stuff
[20:53] <penguin_> but im running the latest version 16.04.2
[20:53] <ppf> OerHeks: no he doesn't. he just installed some foreign package from somewhere
[20:53] <ppf> instead of using the official one
[20:53] <nacc> well, they *also* should do that
[20:53] <nacc> penguin_: there are updatese constantly
[20:53] <OerHeks> ppf, that could be the culprit tooo, i stop i think, useless searching for issues that normally do not exist.
[20:54] <ppf> OerHeks: he said so above
[20:54] <nacc> penguin_: even if you did a fresh install today from brand new media, the first thing I'd suggest you do is `apt update; apt full-upgrade` after installation
[20:55] <ppf> certainly can't hurt
[20:55] <penguin_> alright
[20:55] <anddam> nacc: that was just FYI
[20:55] <nacc> anddam: ack :)
[20:55] <ilgios> hi to everyone, someone could help me with schroot?
[20:55] <nacc> penguin_: and additionally, to install steam, use the multiverse component and install from there
[20:56] <ppf> !ask | ilgios
[20:56] <penguin_> im updating my system
[20:56] <ppf> penguin_: good
[20:57] <ppf> then enable multiverse in software center
[20:59] <penguin_> the problem still exists.Maybe I will switch to different buntu?
[20:59] <ppf> no
[20:59] <ppf> enable multiverse
[20:59] <penguin_> where?
[20:59] <ppf> install steam: sudo apt install steam
[20:59] <ppf> as i said, in software center
[20:59] <OerHeks> penguin_, do a fresh install, you'll be back in 30 minutes :-)
[21:00] <ppf> OerHeks: stop giving bad advice please?
[21:00] <penguin_> im sorry for being the cause of the problem,but like I sad I'm totally new to linux
[21:00] <ppf> penguin_: no worries
[21:01] <penguin_> I need a system that is safe and reliable for banking purposes and basic tasks
[21:01] <ppf> in software center, go to software sources
[21:01] <ppf> enable multiverse
[21:01] <ilgios> Sorry to everyone. I installed schroot, debootstrap and ubuntu14.04. configured schroot with the forder of u14.04, but when i lo in in schroot, the fs is the my laptop fs
[21:01] <ilgios> thats's wrong
[21:04] <disi> i have a script that changes my default gateway, but every day (presumably when the DHCP lease is renewed), those settings get overwritten. is there a way to prevent this?
[21:05] <ppf> disi: how do you configure your network?
[21:05] <ppf> network manager?
[21:05] <ppf> it's got a setting to ignore automatic routes and to add custome ones
[21:05] <ppf> use that
[21:06] <disi> ppf: well DHCP for everything, then  the script uses `ip route ...`
[21:06] <disi> ppf: aha, ok hopefully there is a way to toggle that from the CLI, thanks ill look into it
[21:07] <ppf> disi: hence my question. is it nm you're using? or /etc/network/interfaces?
[21:08] <disi> ppf: im not sure, this may be set in the prebuilt corporate image im using (though i have reproduced on vanilla fedora 24). how can i tell?
[21:09] <ppf> paste /etc/network/interfaces.d/
[21:09] <ppf> paste /etc/network/interfaces
[21:09] <ppf> sorry, the latter
[21:14] <donofrio> anyone have a UEFI Plop usb image?  Trying to boot my MacBook Pro 1,1 it's got a 32bit EFI and it's a 64Bit machine, so it's not booting for me so far tried some grub command but nothing working so far
[21:16] <EriC^^> donofrio: why a plop usb image? isn't plop to use a usb on a dvd only booting machine?
[21:18] <donofrio> cause my boot usb key is not booting last time I had to put plop on a cd and boot from external drive with usb hub and select the usb key would like something that doens't require all the cables
[21:20] <veysiubuntu> Heloo is there any body who use sublime text for c++ compiler?
[21:20] <johannesg_> host
[21:21] <anddam> in top filtering how can I specify an OR clause?
[21:21] <anddam> if possible at all
[21:21] <donofrio> EriC^^,  cause my boot usb key is not booting last time I had to put plop on a cd and boot from external drive with usb hub and select the usb key would like something that doens't require all the cables
[21:22] <EriC^^> donofrio: maybe create a custom ubuntu image that works with 32bit uefi and put it on a dvd?
[21:26] <EriC^^> donofrio: i'm not sure, but plop doesn't look like it has uefi support yet
[21:30] <gp5st> when I try to install wine, it pulls in a bunch of 32bit libs. is there a package that is built against the 64bit ones?
[21:31] <ppf> gp5st: it's built against both
[21:31] <gp5st> ppf so it's normal for it to pull in a bunch of 32bit libs?
[21:31] <ppf> because you need both for windows programs usually
[21:31] <gp5st> ppf: ah, ok
[21:31] <gp5st> thank you :)
[21:38] <loula> hi
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> lo
[21:44] <loula> i need help about something that started last night, my computer has big freezes when it tries to connect the net via wifi (i cant tell for wire, i couldnt test yet)
[21:44] <faLUCE> hello. I just installed 16.10. At boot, if I press "esc" I have a minimal grub menu, which allows me to enter into another grub menu where I can choose the kernel (4.0.22 or 4.0.39) .. This double grube is WEIRD!!. How can I fix that so I can boot with 4.0.22 kernel as default?
[21:44] <loula> it just freezes and never comes back
[21:44] <freakyy> can anyone help me and tell me how i can use the plymouth or whatever, bootscreen of ubuntu-gnome instea dof hte one from ubuntu-budgie?
 if you haven't make changes it loads the last kernel... the most recent... Is that ok with you?
[21:47] <faLUCE> koleygr: no, it's not ok, because with the last kernel it goes into kernel panic much often, with my USB dongle. Then I want to use the other kernel
[21:48] <ppf> faLUCE: you can uninstall that kernel that doesn't work for you
[21:49] <faLUCE> ppf: I would like to preserve it, but to boot automatically to the other
[21:49] <koleygr> http://askubuntu.com/questions/216398/set-older-kernel-as-default-grub-entry
[21:50] <koleygr> try this <faLUCE>... the marked answer  works
[21:52] <faLUCE> koleygr: many thanks
[21:52] <MonkeyDust> koleygr  you can drop the <> ... type fa then hit tab
[21:53] <koleygr> MonkeyDust, thanks
[22:12] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
[22:12] <dachy> Hi guys.. i need a quick help with setting up my firewall. I am using ufw, and trying to open a port for bittorrent. I ran  ufw allow from any to any port 51413 and I can see by using nmap on a machine external to my network that the port is in state "filtered". If I disable ufw entirely, the nmap shows the port in state "open". Any idea what is wrong here?
[22:13] <dachy> My ufw rules look like this: http://pastebin.com/uhR5sYc0
[22:15] <mcrt> dachy: your router is probably filtering the traffic
[22:16] <dachy> mcrt: there is no router involved.. just my ubuntu machine plugged into the internet
[22:17] <mcrt> dachy: plugged in how?
[22:17] <df00z> Hey, um, im trying to pair a bluetooth serial module.  I can use it as root.  added myself to dialout.  bluetooth.service keeps creating new /dev/rfcomm# devices
[22:17] <dachy> mcrt: with a cable
[22:18] <mcrt> dachy: who provides the internet access?
[22:18] <dachy> mcrt: i've a fibre->ethernet box on my wall, and I get an IP address via DHCP but ots always the same one, and its publicly accessible
[22:20] <mcrt> dachy: that box might still do traffic filtering. try to disable the firewall and see what happens
[22:20] <skinux> Is it possible to store things on portable drive, but still have it managed by apt and accessible as if it were installed onto Ubuntu's primary partition?
[22:20] <dachy> mcrt: as mentioned above, if i disable ufw, it works. if i enable ufw, it doesnt work
[22:21] <mcrt> dachy: ah right, sorry
[22:21] <dachy> by "doesnt work" i mean that nmap sees the port in state "filtered"
[22:23] <mcrt> dachy: try to remove the DENY IN rule for eth0
[22:24] <mcrt> dachy: if the policy for the input chain is DROP you wont need it anyway
[22:24] <dachy> mcrt: that's kinda what makes the firewall work though
[22:24] <dachy> mcrt: how do i verify what the policy for the input chain is, that sounds like complicated iptables talk
[22:24] <wedgie> dachy: wouldn't the deny rule need to be *after* the rule that allows 51413?
[22:25] <dachy> wedgie: that might be something, are these sorted ? :)
[22:25] <wedgie> the rule for 443 is at the top. Does 443 work?
[22:25] <mcrt> if the policy for the INPUT chain is DROP you do not need such additional rules.. (speaking in iptables terms)
[22:25] <dachy> wedgie: yes, it does
[22:26] <wedgie> dachy: disclaimer: UFW confuses the heck out of me. For being the "Uncomplicated FireWall" it sure is complicated.
[22:26] <dachy> wedgie: its quite a bit less scary than iptables though :)
[22:26] <wedgie> lol, if you say so
[22:27] <mcrt> dachy: 'iptables -L -n'
[22:27] <dachy> HEY, it works :)
[22:28] <dachy> wedgie: nice one, reordering the rules worked :)
[22:28] <wedgie> dachy: typically with these things rules are evaluated in order and the action is taken on the first match.
[22:28] <wedgie> so an allow after a deny that also matches the traffic in question will never be reached
[22:28] <mcrt> removing the rule would have sufficed, now you have rules for double dropping the traffic and you need to worry about the correct order etc.
[22:29] <wedgie> mcrt: personally I like having explicit rules like that at the end, even if it is the default. Increases readability and reduces surprises, IMHO
[22:29] <dachy> wedgie: great. Does this look ok then: http://pastebin.com/VgtfJpb  ?
[22:30] <wedgie> dachy: link not working for me
[22:30] <dachy> http://pastebin.com/VgtfJpba
[22:31] <mcrt> wedgie: sure, i guess you can do that too
[22:31] <wedgie> dachy: looks reasonable to me, but again, i'm no expert with UFW
[22:32] <dachy> wedgie: better than me, and thats me happy. thanks for your help!
[22:32] <Zambzz> anyone help me with missing icon on for godot engine on ubuntu? ive tired "StartupWMClass=Godot" in the godot.desktop yet its not working
[22:32] <Zambzz> tried*
[22:37] <Zambzz> anyone?
[22:38] <OerHeks> Zambzz, that icon is in the folder where you installed it, Exec=/opt/Godot/Godot Icon=godot  > http://cialu.net/blog/install-godot-engine-fedora-ubuntu.html
[22:38] <mcrt> how would one gain rights to edit the ubuntu wiki?
[22:39] <mcrt> ive applied for wiki-editors membership on launchpad... its been weeks and nothing happens, other people seem to get approved though.
[22:39] <Zambzz> Thank you 0erHeks
[22:40] <OerHeks> mcrt, join the documentation team, and see the bottom part of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization
[22:41] <OerHeks> mcrt, i have no info/influence on membership approval
[22:41] <mcrt> geez. this is proving to be very difficult.
[22:44] <mcrt> i need to contribute to the wiki before i can contribute to certain (old outdated) pages on the wiki?
[22:46] <Mitchy> Hi all ,  can i ask here a question about a task in ubuntu (unity)
[22:46] <k1l> mcrt: the access to the wiki needed to be reduced due to heavy spam action. you can talk to the team in #ubuntu-doc
[22:48] <digitalfiz> test
[22:49] <k1l> Mitchy: just ask
[22:51] <Mitchy> Is it possible to run a sort of timer to refresh a webpage without starting the browser (which consues to much resources
[22:51] <mcrt> k1l: thanks. thats understandable, but there should be some reasonable procedure to gain editing rights.
[22:51] <CombuderBob> I'm manually tweaking my touchpad settings with xinput and use "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" to adjust acceleration... Is there a list of the other parameters, what's the mouse speed, what is the accel threshold?
[22:52] <wedgie> Mitchy: to what purpose? Is the browser not already open at that point, or do you mean something else?
[22:52] <k1l> mcrt: talk to the docs team
[22:53] <wedgie> Mitchy: i'm quite certain that there are plugins that can be used to refresh pages on an interval available for firefox and chrome
[22:54] <mcrt> k1l: thanks. im sorry, but im not gonna waste more time on this. going to put the stuff up somewhere else.
[22:55] <Mitchy> ach cool  well reason i ask is i want to indeed refresh a page bit not leave browser open when im not there or when having multible tabs open
[22:57] <wedgie> Mitchy: again, to what purpose? Why do you want to refresh a page while you're not there?
[22:57] <wedgie> is this to trigger some automated job or something?
[22:58] <Mitchy> ehm job is a big word i guess , its to refresh a page nothing more or less
[23:00] <wedgie> well, i don't know what "refresh a page" means if it is not open in a browser
[23:01] <dimisdas> Mitchy: you can add a meta-tag if you can edit the page in question
[23:01] <dimisdas> to refresh on intervals
[23:04] <dimisdas> ie <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="30">
[23:04] <CombuderBob> Bumping my question, still can't find anything online: Is there a list of the various "props" in an xinput list-props? I want to set mouse speed and accel.
[23:04] <dimisdas> (sorry d/ced)
[23:04] <Mitchy> i try to explain ,  i want to refresh a webpage in a interval of let say 5 minutes, if possible without to open a webrowser
[23:04] <dimisdas> Is that webpages yours or third party?
[23:04] <wedgie> Mitchy: what does "refresh" mean in that context? What are you expecting to happen?
[23:05] <Mitchy> weddgie  a sort of automated F5
[23:05] <wedgie> F5 only makes sense if a browser is open.
[23:05] <wedgie> so i'm confused as to what you have in mind
[23:05] <Mitchy> i know but now u know what i try to say
[23:06] <wedgie> i really don't.
[23:06] <OerHeks> Mitchy, something like " while true; do wget -qO- http://www.google.com > /dev/null; sleep 300; done "
[23:06] <OerHeks> * without > /dev/null ofcourse
[23:07] <OerHeks> Mitchy, or http://askubuntu.com/questions/355301/terminal-web-browser-page-reload
[23:08] <Mitchy> Oerheks   ja  jij snapt em
[23:08] <OerHeks> Mitchy, but wget does not work with https .. AFAIK
[23:08] <wedgie> sure it does
[23:09] <OerHeks> oh it does :-D
[23:09] <OerHeks> loaded in 0 sec
[23:10] <dimisdas> snakeoil
[23:10] <Mitchy> if it can be done in terminal it would be awesome
[23:11] <OerHeks> I would go for tmux
[23:12] <wedgie> or set up a cron job. Really depends on what you're trying to accomplish. But you refuse to say, so who knows.
[23:15] <Mitchy> im not refusing i said earlier i want to automate the refresh of a website ,  as if one does hit the F5 button every 5 minutes  , sorry if i am unclear
[23:16] <wedgie> that's not what you're trying to accomplish. That's what you think you want to do in order to accomplish your real goal.
[23:18] <xangua> You want to refresh a webpage without loading a web browser? Huh
[23:22] <dimisdas> The XY problem
[23:22] <dimisdas> http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem
[23:22] <dimisdas> and how to avoid it
[23:26] <tgm4883> Mitchy: what is your end goal. eg. What are you trying to solve by refreshing a web page every 5 minutes?
[23:32] <Mitchy> my goal is that the page gets refreshed every few minutes because its not automated , and i am not behind the desk all the time ( its a newsfeed )
[23:36] <k1l> Mitchy: if you dont want a webbrowser for that, that sounds like you want something like a rss feed/reader
[23:36] <pavlos> Mitchy, do you view the page as index.html or via a browser?
[23:39] <Mitchy> hmm i try to detaul te thing,   the webpage (not made by me) people make artikels on it the RSS feed of that page is somehow connected to twitter, but twitter seems not auto refresh the rss feed, so we do it manual.  the link we hit every few minutes or so , is a php script that refreshes the rss feed
[23:40] <kaosine> *sigh* had to go buy some dvd-r's so I can revive a old laptop and hopefully revive my home server too ^_^
[23:44] <wedgie> so it is launching a job. Set up a cronjob that uses curl or wget to hit that url every 5 mins
[23:47] <Bashing-om> kaosine: And where are you now in the restoration of your server ?
[23:47] <DocMAX> i need to mount a nfs share much earlier on boot. how can i do this?
[23:48] <kaosine> Bashing-om: waiting on the disk drive.....the file system is definitely there but I'm wondering if grub or something has been screwed up somehow
[23:48] <wedgie> Mitchy: run ''crontab -e'' then enter this:
[23:48] <wedgie> */5 * * * * /usr/bin/curl --silent http://your.site.com/whatever.php > /dev/null 2>&1
[23:48] <pavlos> DocMAX, adding the mount in /etc/rc.local ?
[23:49] <DocMAX> no thats last step
[23:49] <DocMAX> i need the mount as early as possible.. maybe after network is up
[23:49] <DocMAX> maybe in initramfs?
[23:50] <Bashing-om> kaosine: Well, get the "live" DVD made up .. and in the liveDVD's boot options is " boot from first hard drive" . see what joy you get ?
[23:52] <Afdal> It seems a broken Opus audio codec library got pushed in 14.04?
[23:53] <Afdal> That's my analysis anyway
[23:53] <Afdal> Used to run media with Opus encoded and now not matter what player I tried the sound fails to load and gets listed as unknown code
[23:53] <kaosine> Bashing-om: it's still a little odd that I installed it the other day and it just didn't want to boot after one point. As soon as she gets home with the drive I'm going to see if I have any luck
[23:53] <Afdal> codec
[23:54] <Afdal> On this 16.04 system on the other hand Opus-encoded audio still plays back fine
[23:54] <Mitchy> ok people sorry for my stupid explanation, best or easiest solution is indeed a browser extention
[23:54] <Afdal> How can I check the last software updates I installed?
[23:55] <Bashing-om> kaosine: "Most" of the time in such a situation we find that a proprietary driver got broke in the package update process . // Then again sudo'n where you should not be and now root owns the access to your desktop ??
[23:58] <kaosine> Bashing-om: I don't even know I'm still trying to figure it out. but on the terms of the laptop I need to figure out what desktop environment to use....considering lxde and xfce at this point since it probably needs to be lightweight and light on the battery
[23:59] <pavlos> DocMAX, how about rc2.d/


[05:51] <guiverc> what package (ubuntu->) should this be filed against?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1959167
[05:52] <guiverc> (ubuntu -> ?? )  ; i forgot the ?


[03:19] <pavlushka> Good Morning Every one!!!
[05:57] <pavlushka> সবাইকে স্বাধীনতা দিবসের শুভেচ্ছা!
[08:21] <Kilos> o/
[08:27] <pavlushka> o/ Kilos
[08:27] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[08:28] <Kilos> morning everyone else too
[08:33] <pavlushka> Kilos, you see the google today??
[08:34] <Kilos> no i have been watching rugby and dooing chores
[08:34] <pavlushka> try it, the search engine.
[08:35] <Kilos> i dont like google
[08:35] <Kilos> i use duck duck go
[08:35] <pavlushka> you'll see something, that's why I am asking.
[08:35] <Kilos> what must i google
[08:36] <pavlushka> just load the search engine.
[08:36] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that
[08:36] <pavlushka> www.google.com
[08:36] <Kilos> i use opera-browser
[08:36] <Kilos> ok sec
[08:36] <pavlushka> you can type it in anyway.
[08:37] <Kilos> what must i see there
[08:37] <pavlushka> the logo.
[08:38] <Kilos> mine went straight to google.co.za
[08:38] <Kilos> not google.com
[08:39] <Kilos> Google.co.za offered in: Afrikaans Sesotho isiZulu IsiXhosa Setswana Northern Sotho
[08:45] <pavlushka> then load "www.google.com.bd"
[08:46] <Kilos> oh the bridge
[08:47] <Kilos> our google still looks the same
[08:47] <pavlushka> no, click on the logo
[08:49] <Kilos> oh i see
[08:49] <Kilos> ours does nothing
[08:50] <pavlushka> ya, I've loaded www.google.co.za, I can see.
[08:50] <Kilos> well  i miss nothing because i dont use it anyway
[08:51] <Kilos> only the bot does
[08:51] <Kilos> bdBot hi
[08:52] <Kilos> QA hi
[08:52] <QA> afternoon
[08:52] <pavlushka> QA got his favorite!
[08:52] <QA> pavlushka: Excuse me?
[08:52] <Kilos> the guys made a nice bot in ibid
[08:53] <Kilos> just takes getting used to all the things it can do and what words mean what
[08:53] <pavlushka> sorry "her"
[08:53] <Kilos> lol
[09:47] <pavlushka> Hi toshazed !
[09:47] <Kilos> hi toshazed
[09:47] <Kilos> hows things there
[09:51] <toshazed> hello pavel and kilos
[09:53] <toshazed> today is the independence day in here in Bangladesh. In 1971 we declared our independence in this day.
[09:54] <toshazed> and it is a national holiday
[09:54] <toshazed> :)
[09:54] <Kilos> use it well
[09:54] <Kilos> rest and build up for the coming week
[09:54] <toshazed> hmm
[09:55] <toshazed> trying hard to make some time for foruming but no luck
[09:55] <Kilos> everyone worldwide is getting busier every year
[09:56] <toshazed> though gave end user support to 15 people last week, translated a few strings for upcoming Xenial Xerox
[09:56] <toshazed> :)
[09:56] <Kilos> thats good
[09:56] <Kilos> pavlushka is trying it in xfce i think
[09:57] <Kilos> ill stick with 14.04 kde till 16.04 is stable
[09:58] <toshazed> hmm. each day I plan to do some foruming, so blog post, at least 5 end user support and 10string to be translated each day. but cannot manage my time. :(
[09:59] <toshazed> I am also a kde fan. and sticking with the 14.04 kde till the next stable release. :)
[09:59] <Kilos> :D
[10:04] <toshazed> so, in the near past we are on a discussion about activating ubuntu bangladesh to live again from its cold/too much calm state
[10:05] <Kilos> yes
[10:05] <toshazed> kilos and belkinsa was also in the common loco-council mail
[10:05] <Kilos> they are very active but all in facebook
[10:05] <toshazed> any more update or good news on that?
[10:05] <toshazed> oops!
[10:05] <Kilos> 340 of them
[10:06] <Kilos> we are trying to get some of them to come here
[10:06] <toshazed> I don't think I must be on facebook as to be and Ubuntu-Bangladesh member. It is not in the community guideline
[10:06] <Kilos> and pavlushka is also trying to grow this channel
[10:07] <Kilos> no, i dont like facebook much either
[10:07] <Kilos> but Ekushey has been active here again
[10:07] <toshazed> I think we should get into the mailling list and more online community page like G+ and LinkedIn.
[10:08] <toshazed> Ekushey is our Russel John, Ubuntu-BD leader till 2006.
[10:08] <Kilos> yes
[10:08] <toshazed> mailing list could be a public record
[10:08] <Kilos> he joins us here often now
[10:08] <toshazed> and fine for the next generation
[10:09] <toshazed> as history log
[10:09] <toshazed> I love to communicate over there as It can be more reachable for any online users. It is not domain specific.
[10:10] <Kilos> i of course love irc
[10:10] <Kilos> most ubuntu work gets done on irc
[10:11] <Kilos> and thats how i got involved
[10:11] <toshazed> I love irc for chatting. but for community support as that will applicable for the end user technically mailing list is great.
[10:11] <Kilos> the nice thing with irc is you can get instant answers
[10:11] <toshazed> hmm
[10:11] <pavlushka> Hi I am back, was on a lunch break.
[10:11] <toshazed> that true
[10:12] <Ekushey> toshazed: Ubuntu-BD is an active team, you don't have to worry about it. Mind your business.
[10:12] <pavlushka> and history logs too.
[10:12] <Kilos> Ekushey no fighting
[10:12] <Kilos> we must all work together to grow linux worldwide
[10:13] <pavlushka> সবাইকে স্বাধীনতা দিবসের শুভেচ্ছা! Happy Independence day!
[10:13] <Kilos> as long as we are all separate microsoft scores
[10:13] <Ekushey> Kilos: I'm off, will talk later.
[10:14] <Kilos> go well
[10:14] <toshazed> kilos do you find the words by ekushey now?
[10:14] <Kilos> we all need to work together in unity
[10:14] <toshazed> I found this one offensive and that was my complain
[10:15] <Kilos> you guys need to shake hands and work together
[10:16] <Kilos> let the past be the past
[10:16] <Kilos> move forward in peace
[10:17] <toshazed> Dear Ekushey I know what to do and what not. This community should be alive as per community guideline, in a common place where anyone can say, comment and talk. It should not be a forum for bunch of selected by someone.
[10:17] <toshazed> thus it will be a live community.
[10:19] <toshazed> If you think I am not suitable for you or your community then it is true. But Ubuntu-BD was never a personal/private forum or community and nor it will be and I will continue my work for the community as long as I live.
[10:21] <pavlushka> thats very inspiring I think.
[10:21] <Kilos> we must just sit back and think that it is always better to work together
[10:22] <Kilos> united we stand, divided we fall
[10:22] <toshazed> kilos I was not getting anything personal and never be in future. I just want to do work for a better community towards digital freedom.
[10:22] <Kilos> personal opinions should not be involved in ubuntu work
[10:23] <Kilos> that should be all of our main goal toshazed
[10:23] <Kilos> working as a team
[10:24] <toshazed> if someone come into the path of that freedom I will try my best to break through. I will talk, I will chat and I will ask more people to stand and break down the dictatorship. No one can dictate an open community.
[10:25] <Kilos> we need to all get together and find solutions not make more problems
[10:26] <Ekushey> OMG so much drama going on here!
[10:26] <Ekushey> Carry on, I'll read the logs later :)
[10:26] <Kilos> Ekushey join us
[10:26] <toshazed> yes. It is. But first of all we need to accept our wrong doings and problem facts. After that we can resolve the problem.
[10:27] <Kilos> lets all make friends
[10:27] <Ekushey> Kilos: I'm at work, will be busy for another 5-6 hours
[10:27] <Kilos> ok we can chat anytime
[10:27] <Ekushey> Later! :)
[10:28] <Kilos> :)
[10:28] <pavlushka> Laters, Ekushey !!!!
[10:28] <Kilos> i just want all locos to be happy like my home loco
[10:29] <toshazed> Dear Kilos for this kind of interaction I think the group mail is a better option. We all have our time to answer them.
[10:30] <toshazed> Moreover I will be offline for next two weeks as I will be out of Bangladeh.
[10:30] <Kilos> i dont mind, where we sort things out as long as we sort them out
[10:31] <Kilos> i have many locos world wide to thry get going again
[10:31] <Kilos> india is next
[10:31] <toshazed> hmm
[10:32] <Kilos> we can even get together after the two weeks toshazed
[10:32] <toshazed> ok then.
[10:32] <Kilos> and pop in anytime
[10:32] <pavlushka> nice to have you you here!
[10:32] <Kilos> we can use the mailing list as well
[10:33] <toshazed> please knock-knock at my gmail anytime you need. I will be there if it is anyhow possible. :)
[10:33] <Kilos> i just want ubuntu to be happy everywhere
[10:33] <Kilos> i will do thank you
[10:35] <toshazed> Thank you everyone. Be an Ubuntero. Happy Hacking.
[10:35] <Kilos> you too thanks toshazed
[10:35] <pavlushka> thank you toshazed !


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[12:22] <automaciej> what's up with NetworkManager chewing up a whole core? I get 100% of CPU usage.
[12:23] <automaciej> does it include a boinc client? ;-)
[13:16] <automaciej> 30 minutes in: 31900 root      20   0  234m 9796 3600 S   53  0.3  15:15.62 NetworkManager. 53% CPU usage.