[04:33] <mup> Bug #1701476 changed: maas.rpc.cluster: [error] Failed to probe and enlist VMware nodes: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1701476>


[00:24] <yuriy> bug 259867
[00:28] <cskmax> my console font is gone, shows as blocks for each character. started w/ an update Monday. ideas? :)
[00:31] <yuriy> well that's a fun bug
[00:33] <Hobbsee> it's fixed, though
[00:33] <yuriy> yeah, but getting the fix is not trivial
[00:34] <yuriy> plus I think I have another bug with the new nvidia driver, because KDM didn't come up at all
[00:34] <yuriy> monitor turned off, even
[00:38] <cskmax> yuriy: referring to 259867? just fixed it myself, i hope. still wondering about the console font
[00:38] <cskmax> i did the /etc/pam.d/common-session mod
[00:42] <cskmax> Oof, never mind on console font - fixed itself after another reboot
[00:43] <yuriy> hmm when I chroot and try to aptitude update, I get could not set non-blocking flag, bad file descriptor
[00:52] <yuriy> nevermind about the nvidia thing -- I think this is a feature
[01:03] <Lunks> What about that NVIDIA no ttys bug? Will it ever be fixed?
[02:15] <javaJake> Anyone else having trouble commiting to Launchpad?
[02:16] <javaJake> Ah, nvm
[02:16] <javaJake> Heh :P
[02:35] <mneptok> i'd commit to Launchpad, but she still calls her ex sometimes. creeps me out.
[04:18] <tanath> anyone know how to make mouse thumb buttons for fwd & back work in anything other than firefox?
[05:17] <kayess> Is there a known issue with wifi under kubuntu alpha 4?
[05:18] <kayess> Since getting updates on Tuesday it no longer connects to networks
[05:19] <LSD|Ninja> what wifi chip?
[05:21] <kayess> Not sure, it's an IBM R61
[05:21] <LSD|Ninja> what does lspci say for ethernet controllers?
[05:21] <kayess> When I click on the network applet in the system tray the network shows so it is atleast being detected -- most everything works by the looks of things
[05:22] <kayess> This is kubuntu BTW, so it might just be a knetworkmanager thing
[05:22] <kayess> When I click on the network to connect it never shows the spinning cog to show that it's trying to connect -- seems to ignore the connect request
[05:22] <kayess> Wired works fine, plugging a cable shows the cog as it fetches a DHCP lease
[05:24] <kayess> LSD|Ninja: It's an Intel pro wireless 3945ABG
[05:24] <LSD|Ninja> Oh, I think that's going through a driver transition or something right now
[05:25] <kayess> Ah, that could explain it
[05:25]  * RAOF doesn't think so; his iwl3945 is doing very nicely, thank you.
[05:25] <kayess> I don't really want to go back to hardy, happy to wait a few days if an update is imminent. Any ideas
[05:26] <kayess> Might it be a knetworkmanager thing? Is there some way to manually try to connect? Work out a wpa_supplicant config maybe?
[05:27] <RAOF> Who knows.  Why aren't you on other IM systems?
[05:27] <kayess> What other IM systems should I be on?
[05:27] <RAOF> Sorry, ECHANNEL
[05:28] <RAOF> kayess: It's probably a knetworkmanager thing, yes.  Has that been updated for the fun new 0.7 snapshot we have?
[05:29] <kayess> It's certainly not the one that I have on my other KDE 4.1 machines (installed from the KDE packages over hardy)
[05:30] <kayess> I'll see if I can dig out a wpa_supplicant config file (I know I made one up a long time ago) and see if that can connect
[05:37] <kayess> RAOF: knetworkmanager reports its version as 0.7, and I can't find that config file, bugger
[05:37] <RAOF> It's probably bug-worthy.
[05:37] <kayess> Where do I report it?
[05:38] <RAOF> Launchpad.net
[05:39] <kayess> Ok, I'll do a re-install again first and make sure that it really is a regression since the alpha 4 ISO was put together
[05:39] <RAOF> Not a bad plan.
[05:39] <kayess> Should help somebody to pin it down I hope :)
[05:55] <Sebastian> Will Intrepid have OpenOffice.org 3?
[05:56] <calc> maybe
[05:56] <calc> if OOO300 m4 is rc1 it probably will
[05:59] <calc> if OOO300 m4 is released as rc1, which is supposed to happen next monday i will be uploading it Ubuntu shortly after that
[06:00] <Sebastian> calc: Thanks.
[06:00]  * Sebastian really needs the new Impress.
[06:00] <Sebastian> :-)
[06:01] <Sebastian> Is there a(n unofficial) repository with packages of OOo 3 for Hardy and/or Intrepid?
[06:01] <calc> for beta 2 yes
[06:01] <calc> launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/
[06:01] <calc> under the ppa
[06:01] <Sebastian> Thanks!
[06:01] <calc> my mouse is dead right now so i can't paste the full url
[06:02] <Sebastian> Found it.
[06:03] <calc> ok
[06:03] <calc> it only has english since the full i18n/l10n stuff isn't released upstream until rc1
[06:04] <Sebastian> No worries, I run my Ubuntu in English :)
[06:04] <calc> ok
[06:34] <Sebastian> calc: I added "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu hardy main
[06:34] <Sebastian> ", but after "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" nothing happens. Am I missing something?
[06:35] <moshe_> Is anyone else having problems with gvfs?
[07:22] <vpelcak> hi all
[08:27] <vpelcak> anybody experienced with wireless?
[09:13] <zniavre> ! libpam
[09:13] <zniavre> !bug #259867
[09:16] <vpelcak> !wireless
[12:21] <TheFuzzball> Is anyone else having trouble with wireless? I can't seem to get my F5D7050B card working
[12:43] <Teisei> Maybe there's something wrong with my system if my Ubuntu 8.10 has been working as flawlessly as 8.04 ...
[12:49] <gnomefreak> bug 259867
[12:55] <regel_> Teisei, u mean crashing like hell like my Hardy does?
[12:55] <Teisei> Hehe
[12:56] <Teisei> No ;)
[12:56] <Teisei> I can make Ubuntu crash if I want
[12:56] <Teisei> It's easy
[12:56] <Teisei> I just need to enable "Core Multi-Processing" from BIOS
[12:57] <Teisei> Then I get crashes, kernel panics, cpu failures etc.
[13:28] <bardyr> Hey, i have some issues with booting intrepid, usplash/the new framebuffer/something breaks the progress bar and sometimes the screen goes black/white
[13:28] <bardyr> is this a known issue?
[13:30] <bardyr> and also i need to keep pressing keys to get it too boot
[13:33] <bardyr> bug #243682
[13:33] <bardyr> found it :)
[13:33] <vega--> my screen blinks in with green and red boxes during boot, also says only low-graphics mode available, but it still gets to full resulution after pressing continue:)
[13:34] <TheFuzzball> Teisei: are you saying Ibex has a problem with core CPUs?
[13:34] <vega--> though it's not needed to press any keys, just press continue when x starts
[13:57] <bardyr> vega-, the key pressing is a kernel bug, that i have found in many not ubuntu/debian based distros with recent kernels
[13:58] <bardyr> but now it also affects ubuntu :/
[13:58] <zniavre> wixh key ?
[13:58] <zniavre> wich*
[13:58] <bardyr> but i have no idea how to report/troubleshoot it
[13:58] <bardyr> zniavre, does not matter
[13:58] <bardyr> zniavre, but disk IO light will first start when i am holding a key down
[13:59] <bardyr> zniavre, and i need to push the power button to get passed the "Starting linux" line at boot
[14:00] <vega--> ok, got nothing like that on my dell latitude d610
[14:00] <vega--> just the blinking and x-thinks-it-can-only-use-low-graphics stuff
[14:01] <vega--> but once in x, everything seems to work
[14:01] <bardyr> vega-, i have that too except the low graphics, i think
[14:38] <gnomefreak> opme
[15:12] <nemo> has compiz reduced its leakiness in Ibex?
[15:14] <Pici> I wasn't aware it was leaky previously...
[15:15] <nemo> Pici: just a half-dozen of the popular plugins
[15:15] <nemo> the core is probably solid - unless it is the parts of the core they use :-/
[15:16] <bibuntu> hello.  "dpkg --configure locales" hangs forever.. how can I make it happy again?
[15:16] <nemo> is quite easy to, over the course of a couple of days, if your system has the memory, to end up with several gigabytes consumed, then oomkiller kicks in
[15:16] <nemo> have been over it at link in the compiz channel, sharing info on which bits seem to do it
[15:17] <nemo> s/link/length/
[15:24] <doggymenz> my firefox is strange rendering in 8.10 :(
[15:29] <nemo> doggymenz: elaborate?
[15:29]  * nemo does not have Ibex installed at present, but he does keep up on the Gecko
[15:30] <doggymenz> hmm...
[15:30] <doggymenz> sometimes sites dont render, but if i move my mouse over, then some items appear
[15:30] <doggymenz> or like it dont render, but then i can switch tabs, and back and then it works
[16:15] <nemo> doggymenz: that sounds more like damage is screwed up
[16:15] <nemo> doggymenz: in X
[16:15] <nemo> or firefox is not properly reporting damage I guess
[16:16] <nemo> doggymenz: happens with compiz as well as without?
[16:17] <doggymenz> i havent tried turn off compiz
[16:22] <elasto1mania> hi
[16:32] <doggymenz> DanaG, is a straight up G, shes a gangster, shes dope, she can jump on a rope, beat up the pope if he tries to grope she says nope there is no hope
[16:32] <DanaG> she?
[16:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, my name is kind of ambiguous.
[16:32] <DanaG> Or rather, not-gender-specific.
[16:34] <doggymenz> oh, are you a guy?
[16:34] <doggymenz> i always thought you were a girl
[16:34] <doggymenz> i always thought Dana was a girls name, kind of like Danny is a guys name
[16:52] <DanaG> It can actually be either, though I usually do hear the name applied to girls more often.
[16:53]  * DanaG kind of wishes he had Ranma's gender-change curse -- the name would work well for it.
[16:53] <DanaG> =þ
[16:55] <doggymenz> ranma?
[16:55] <doggymenz> well, you could just have a name change, it would be easier than a gender-change curse
[17:15] <DanaG> Google for ramna, you'll see what I mean.
[17:22] <DanaG> omglol.  http://www.buy.com/prod/intel-core-2-duo-t7200-2-0ghz-socket-478-mobile-processor-2-0ghz/q/loc/101/202916481.html
[17:24] <nemo> doggymenz: try. might be interesting
[17:24] <doggymenz> ya
[17:24] <nemo> doggymenz: also. do you use a lot of plugins?
[17:24] <nemo> doggymenz: I noticed after I added a couple of fun ones to my Hardy that all of a sudden app windows stopped drawing (although they did seem to be responding to clicks) until resized or minimised
[17:28] <doggymenz> adblock, noscript
[17:39] <SeveredCross> I think he means Compiz plugins.
[17:47] <nemo> SeveredCross: I did indeed :)
[17:47] <nemo> SeveredCross: I see no reason to blame firefox here :)
[17:48] <nemo> SeveredCross, doggymenz: the flaw is most likely in some low level layer in damage reporting, in Cairo or X or Compiz or somesuch
[17:51] <doggymenz> okie
[17:51] <doggymenz> i hope fixed soon
[18:22] <Daemonik> Suspend and hibernate attempts on this HP laptop cause kernel panics. How can I remove the suspend and hibernate options from the quit dialog?
[19:08] <shuttle> I just did the dist upgrade but it made my screen go blank for login and desktop
[19:08] <shuttle> whar can i do
[19:09] <shuttle> It goes blank after the startup bar
[19:09] <shuttle> should i just do a rebuild?
[19:11] <shuttle> ill go put vista on it then
[19:12] <moshe_> shuttle,did you use alt-f2 to try to open another terminal screen?sometimes the upgrades screw up the graphics dribers
[19:13] <moshe_> *drivers,sry.fingers faster than brain
[20:25] <thefish> does the "partner" repo for intrepid only come on after release?
[20:29] <jeanpaul145> hi everybody
[20:29] <jeanpaul145> does anybody perhaps know which version of pigin will be final with intrepid?
[20:46] <UrbanFlash> Hello, can anyone help me troubleshoot a problem with my wlan?
[20:47] <UrbanFlash> i'm on kubuntu intrepid, with worked fine the last few days, but since booting today i can't connect to any router
[21:06] <dupondje> what dir can i find the original /etc/pam.d/common-session ?
[21:06] <dupondje> I changed it because of the bug ;)
[21:07] <dupondje> don't know the original anymore :p
[21:36] <sveri> hey, are there known bugs with the sound in intrepid?
[21:36] <doggymenz> think so
[21:54] <avis> will the issues with flash causing firefox to crash be fixed in intrepid ?
[21:57] <dupondje> lol avis
[21:58] <dupondje> Intrepid is ALPHA
[21:58] <dupondje> if it wouldn't crash it would be weird :p
[21:58] <sveri> i think that was not the question
[21:58] <sveri> and btw firefox is not crashing with flash here
[21:58] <sveri> at least it didn't until now
[21:58] <dupondje> try & see :D
[21:58] <sveri> yea
[21:59] <sveri> thats what i did
[21:59] <dupondje> if it crashes :)
[21:59] <dupondje> feel free to bugreport :)
[22:00] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/260208
[22:00] <dupondje> here is another btw :P
[22:00] <sveri> yea, funny one
[22:01] <dupondje> why funny ? :p
[22:01] <sveri> funny if you forget it everytime you login
[22:02] <dupondje> huh ?
[22:03] <sveri> uhm, it's to late to explain jokes which are not funny
[22:03] <sveri> sry ;-)
[22:03]  * dupondje slaps sveri
[23:09] <frodo_> i have problem with setting up static ip, i get "network unreachable" when i try to ping my router
[23:10] <frodo_> it looks like the ip settings in interfaces file are not applied to the lan card
[23:16] <frodo_> anyone?
[23:25] <ccooke> So... How usable is Intrepid at the moment? (Context: I usually switch my *personal* laptop at about this point. I do not expect everything to work and I am able to deal with that)
[23:26] <Dedi> cant upgrade  libpam-runtime (1.0.1-3ubuntu2), is that a common problem with a solution?
[23:28] <frodo_> is there a daily build?
[23:29] <pwnguin> frodo_: of what?
[23:29] <frodo_> pwnguin: of 8.10 kubuntu
[23:30] <pwnguin> basically, new packages hit shortly after they're uploaded
[23:30] <pwnguin> there's a daily cd iso i think
[23:30] <frodo_> pwnguin: do u know where?
[23:31] <pwnguin> but theres new packages every few hours ;)
[23:31] <frodo_> pwnguin: i need it because i cant get internet to work in the alpha 4
[23:32] <pwnguin> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[23:32] <pwnguin> i dont see kubuntu =/
[23:32] <burner_> frodo_: wireless?
[23:33] <frodo_> burner_: no wired, static
[23:33] <burner_> crazy
[23:35] <frodo_> pwnguin: found it
[23:35] <frodo_> pwnguin: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[23:35] <frodo_> but thats live
[23:35] <timboy> when starting up i'm getting some read-only filesystem errors anyone have an idea why?
[23:36] <Dedi> debian/libpam-runtime.postinst: when upgrading from the broken   1.0.1-2ubuntu1 version, manually edit /etc/pam.d/common-session to recover <- recover what?
[23:39] <Dedi> seems pretty default anyway
[23:40] <pwnguin> i recall seeing a debconf thing about libpam today
[23:41] <pwnguin> i figured it was related to thinkfinger
[23:52] <Dedi> yeah but did not made any pam changes
[23:53] <Dedi> anyway doing pam auth update force worked
[23:53] <Dedi> after the 4. time.. :S
[23:54] <frodo_> anyone know how come there is no gui to edit basic network settings?
[23:54] <Dedi> frodo_: there is, just right or leftclick on the network icon
[23:54] <Dedi> frodo_: i had troubles finding it too, was looking in the system config
[23:55] <frodo_> i dont have a network icon
[23:55] <Dedi> it now looks like a glob
[23:55] <Dedi> globe
[23:56] <Dedi> otherwise start knetworkmanager
[23:56] <frodo_> will check but pretty sure i dont have it
[23:56] <timboy> I have a problem on mine since I have kde4 installed as well the knetworkmanager and the gnome manager start...
[23:58] <frodo_> im downloading a daily build right now
[23:58] <frodo_> just in case


[00:48] <achiang> is there a way to specify per-architecture maintainer scripts? i think pretty much "no" but taking a hopeful stab in the dark here
[00:49] <cjwatson> achiang: you can do anything you like in a rules file, including generating the maintainer script dynamically
[00:49] <cjwatson> achiang: although I would ask why
[00:50] <broder> you could also conditionalize on dpkg-architecture within the script
[00:50] <cjwatson> no
[00:51] <cjwatson> dpkg-architecture is only usable at build-time, being in dpkg-dev
[00:51] <broder> oh, huh. ok
[00:51] <cjwatson> however, you can look at the output of 'dpkg --print-architecture' and conditionalise on *that*
[00:51] <RAOF> achiang: Mesa says hello!  If you need to have different maintainer scripts for different multiarch targets then mesa does that.
[00:51] <broder> though i bet multiarch makes that rather complicated...
[00:51] <cjwatson> if you have to do architecture-dependent things, I would generally suggest that approach rather than having entirely different maintainer scripts (which will be a pain to maintain)
[00:52] <cjwatson> broder: that depends on the use case - multiarch doesn't change 'dpkg --print-architecture', although it introduces 'dpkg --print-foreign-architectures'
[00:52] <achiang> cjwatson: hm, i asked in #ubuntu-packaging but got impatient and re-asked here. i have source package 'foo' which generates N binary packages 'foo-alice', 'foo-bob', ...
[00:52] <achiang> each binary package has their own maintainer scripts: foo-alice.install, foo-bob.install
[00:52] <cjwatson> that's not a maintainer script - maintainer scripts are preinst, postinst, prerm, postrm
[00:52] <achiang> i'm discovering a need to have foo-alice install a file on armel only, but not x86 (!i386, !amd64)
[00:53] <cjwatson> .install files are dh_install configuration files
[00:53] <StevenK> Then do that in the rules file
[00:53] <achiang> i'm trying to see if there's an easier way to do this rather than create foo-alice-armel.install
[00:53] <cjwatson> the usual way is to have foo-alice.install.in and run sed over it
[00:53] <broder> RAOF: working on an oneiric SRU for hedgewars based on yesterday's discussion. does taking 0.9.17-1 from precise, applying http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/745496/ to it, and uploading to -proposed seem acceptable to you?
[00:53] <RAOF> IIRC you _can_ have foo-alice.install.armel
[00:53] <StevenK> Or just call install -m.... in the rules file directly
[00:54] <cjwatson> RAOF: yeah, but you have to duplicate everything in the architecture-independent file
[00:54] <RAOF> That is a bit annoying, yeah.
[00:54] <achiang> well, the beauty here is that the file i want to install conflicts on x86
[00:54] <StevenK> Replaces: ?
[00:54] <StevenK> Which is a bit of a big hammer
[00:55] <cjwatson> man debhelper, search for 'DEBHELPER CONFIG FILES'
[00:55] <cjwatson> "In some rare cases, you may want to have different versions of these files for different architectures or OSes" ...
[00:55] <RAOF> broder: That seems reasonable to me.
[00:55] <cjwatson> StevenK: um
[00:55] <cjwatson> doesn't make sense across architectures
[00:56] <broder> RAOF: excellent. up it goes, then. (the SRU for older releases is more complicated, unfortunately, due to haskell stack churn, so i may delay on those)
[00:57] <EvilResistance> broder, no progress on that blocking bug?
[00:58] <achiang> RAOF: cjwatson: found what you guys are talking about in the debhelper man page. that solves my immediate problem, thank you. perhaps i can explain what i'm *really* doing to see if there's a better way to do it
[00:58] <broder> EvilResistance: it has been escalated to the LP devs as being important to Ubuntu, which means they should be treating it as reasonably high priority
[00:58] <broder> haven't seen any motion on it since then, though
[00:58] <lifeless> broder: which bug in particular ?
[00:58] <broder> (i believe that was about a week ago)
[00:58] <EvilResistance> ah
[00:58] <broder> lifeless: bug #888665
[00:58] <lifeless> ah
[00:59] <lifeless> thanks
[00:59] <broder> hmm. no, it was escalated last thursday :)
[00:59] <achiang> on this project i'm working on, we have a need to provide a fake dmidecode on armel, which of course doesn't exist. the solution we've come up with is to deliver a bash script called /usr/sbin/dmidecode that simply echoes the 2 fields we need
[00:59] <broder> my sense of time is apparently just way off whack
[01:00] <lifeless> achiang: you should compile it into upstart and hardlink that to dmidecode
[01:01] <achiang> lifeless: well, we were hoping to avoid forking any more upstream packages; if we wanted to do that we could have just forked the dmidecode package and have it install our bash script on armel
[01:01] <lifeless> achiang: YHBT, HTH, HAND
[01:01] <achiang> we already have a big ugly package full of hacks
[01:02] <lifeless> achiang: I was -totally- trolling based on systemd's approach to things.
[01:02] <achiang> lifeless:  is it sad that i thought your solution was technically superior to my bash script? ;)
[01:02] <lifeless> uhm
[01:02] <lifeless> maybe?
[01:03] <achiang> i'll just stick with what the debhelper man page says
[01:03] <achiang> thanks all
[04:31] <broder> does devscripts or u-d-t or similar have a "setup an schroot session with the build-deps for this package" script? it always seems like more labor than it should require
[04:34] <helder_raptor> hi alll
[04:36] <helder_raptor> when i type "apt-get install ****"....which script gets involved
[04:36] <helder_raptor> and where do i find it?
[04:41] <helder_raptor> when i type "apt-get install ****"....which script gets involved and where do i find it?
[04:43] <micahg> helder_raptor: try 'which apt-get'
[04:47] <helder_raptor> thnks
[05:08] <helder_raptor> michag: didnt get wwhat i needed
[05:09] <helder_raptor> michag: followed your way but ended up with an app
[05:09] <helder_raptor> i need the script
[05:13] <helder_raptor> #apt-get
[06:46] <tumbleweed> broder: I start a build and press ctrl-c when the build-deps are in place :)
[08:03] <dholbach> good morning
[11:56] <broder> Laney: i've managed to get all of hedgewar's haskell dependencies sorted out except for Text.Show.ByteString, which is used in one file: showB = B.concat . BL.toChunks . BS.show
[11:56] <broder> (BS is Text.Show.ByteString; B is Data.ByteString.Char8)
[12:02] <broder> oh, and BL is Data.ByteString.Lazy
[12:44] <Laney> backport haskell-bytestring-show too?
[12:47] <broder> i think i might be able to replace the functoin with showB = read . show
[12:48] <broder> and change the type declaration from (BS.Show a) => a -> B.ByteString to just (Show a) => a -> B.ByteString
[12:48] <broder> (my very rudimentary skills with monad-free haskell started to come back to me when i started to dig)
[12:53] <broder> bah. now it's failing to compile on code that's actually monadic
[12:53]  * broder will try again tomorrow
[21:48] <tumbleweed> broder: there, added existing bug report checking
[21:48] <broder> sweet
[21:49] <tumbleweed> you promised another bug report on requestbackport, can't remember what the issue was
[21:50] <Laney> meow
[21:50]  * Laney wget http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/merged.tar.gz
[21:50] <broder> tumbleweed: checking non-release pockets
[21:51] <tumbleweed> broder: hrm, how do you want to do that. Allow oneiric-security to be specified as a source?
[21:52] <tumbleweed> Laney: did it break? :)
[21:52] <broder> tumbleweed: uh, i think i'd prefer to always pull from the newest thing in (Release, Security, Updates) but i'm not sure
[21:52] <Laney> have you been keeping it up to date?
[21:52] <tumbleweed> Laney: it's a day or two old, see the stamp file
[21:53] <tumbleweed> broder: that seems sane
[21:53] <Laney> oh
[21:53] <broder> tumbleweed: i would also phrase the bug as "please blah blah from oneiric-security"
[21:53] <Laney> the stupid script uses the stamp file in the same cwd as itself
[21:53] <Laney> that is annoying
[21:53] <broder> which will break backport-helper, but i'll deal
[21:54] <tumbleweed> Laney: I just copied what you did, but yes you'll probably want to move the stamp file)
[21:54] <Laney> s/cwd/directory/
[21:54] <tumbleweed> Laney: I'm pretty sure I saw some dups in there, btw
[21:54] <Laney> yeah?
[21:54] <tumbleweed> check the december 2011 mbox :P
[21:55] <Laney> erm
[21:55]  * tumbleweed grumbles about developers' clocks
[21:56] <Laney> that is amusingly wrong
[21:56] <Laney> i wonder if he had christmas already
[21:58] <tumbleweed> I guess lpapicache isn't going to give me any alternative to walking the pockets
[21:58] <broder> yeah, that's unfortunately a snippet of code i've had to write several times
[21:59] <tumbleweed> next time you write it, put it in lpapicache
[21:59] <tumbleweed> hang on, that's me
[21:59] <broder> :)
[21:59] <tumbleweed> damn
[21:59] <broder> i think there's probably code in backportpackage you could steal
[22:00] <tumbleweed> naah, you don't even use lpapicache
[22:00] <broder> huh, i did. somebody must have changed it
[22:01] <tumbleweed> ah, you use ubuntutools.archive
[22:01] <tumbleweed> that was probably me who changed it
[22:01] <tumbleweed> I probably broke this use-case in the process...
[22:27] <Laney> the early history looks quite different
[22:27] <Laney> hmm
[22:29] <tumbleweed> straw poll: should "pull-lp-source foo lucid" use Release or highest non-backport version?
[22:30] <tumbleweed> Laney: what sort of differences?
[22:30] <Laney> well obviously the very early history isn't represented at all
[22:30] <Laney> but then 2006-01 contains loads more stuff from the SPPHs
[22:31] <Laney> even excluding langpacks
[22:31] <tumbleweed> well obviously the SPPH stuff will have katie syncs, which -changes won't
[22:32] <Laney> did they not always show up as being Ubuntu Archive Auto Sync
[22:32] <Laney> or whatever it is
[22:32] <Laney> ?
[22:32] <tumbleweed> syncs that weren't explicitly requested don't show up on changes, IIRC
[22:32] <tumbleweed> (but they did for a few weeks in early breezy)
[22:33] <tumbleweed> you could see it here, (but not any more, I must have filtered it) http://people.ubuntu.com/~stefanor/upload_activity/
[22:33] <Laney> I thought you could identify autosyncs (from SPPHs) by changed-by
[22:33] <Laney> maybe I am misremembering
[22:33] <Laney> also greatest version is probably good as long as there is a way to get the release version
[22:34] <tumbleweed> Laney: thanks, I was thinking -release for that
[22:34] <tumbleweed> (because it's trivial) :P
[22:34] <Laney> wfm
[22:34] <Laney> if documented etc
[22:34] <tumbleweed> pish, documentation :P
[22:40] <Laney> what happened in 2005-12?
[22:40] <Laney> -rw-r--r-- 1 laney Debian  297 Nov 21 00:41 ubuntu-changes-2005-11.mbox.out.gz
[22:40] <Laney> -rw-r--r-- 1 laney Debian 1.3M Nov 21 00:41 ubuntu-changes-2005-12.mbox.out.gz
[22:40] <Laney> -rw-r--r-- 1 laney Debian 119K Nov 21 00:41 ubuntu-changes-2006-01.mbox.out.gz
[22:41] <tumbleweed> Laney: from my previous graph, that looks like it matches our current data
[22:42] <Laney> this is what i have in the current files
[22:42] <Laney> -rw-r--r-- 1 laney Debian  90K Oct 24 21:31 ubuntu-changes-2005-11.mbox.out.gz
[22:42] <Laney> -rw-r--r-- 1 laney Debian  87K Oct 24 21:31 ubuntu-changes-2005-12.mbox.out.gz
[22:42] <Laney> -rw-r--r-- 1 laney Debian  84K Oct 24 21:31 ubuntu-changes-2006-01.mbox.out.gz
[22:45] <tumbleweed> something broken in lp during that time?
[22:45] <Laney> was that when soyuz started being used maybe?
[22:45] <Laney> cjwatson: does your memory go back this far?
[22:47] <tumbleweed> we need an ubuntu historian
[22:48] <Laney> where's that thar infinity
[22:50] <Laney> anyway, the data is probably not reliable before then
[22:58]  * ajmitch still has mailboxes from that era
[23:00] <Laney> heh
[23:00] <Laney> any of them announce this new soyuz thing?
[23:01] <ajmitch> not that I can tell from the headers
[23:02] <ajmitch> I'm just looking at dapper-changes
[23:02] <tumbleweed> the web archives show activity, but LP SPPH doesn't
[23:05] <tumbleweed> picked one at random
[23:05] <tumbleweed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2005-November/000497.html is placed on 21 Dec by SPPH
[23:06] <tumbleweed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2005-November/000545.html doesn't show up at all
[23:06] <micahg> tumbleweed: is that when it was superseded?
[23:07] <micahg> nope, theory out the window :)
[23:08] <tumbleweed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2005-November/000580.html also 21st Dec
[23:08]  * tumbleweed looks at ubuntu devel for that month
[23:09] <tumbleweed> Firefox 1.5 out :P
[23:09] <micahg> \o/
[23:11] <micahg> if you look at it from the perspective of 1.5 to 8 in 6 years, it looks pretty normal :)
[23:12] <tumbleweed> naww, nothing I can see
[23:22] <Laney> errrrm
[23:22] <Laney> i only just got the joke behind the name "malone"
[23:22] <Laney> :-)
[23:25] <tumbleweed> which is?
[23:25] <Laney> bugsy malone
[23:25] <tumbleweed> oh, duh :)
[23:29] <Laney> tumbleweed: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-February/000072.html
[23:29] <Laney> thanks to wgrant
[23:31] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/014998.html
[23:31] <Laney> this is amusing too
[23:32] <tumbleweed> yeah, I was about to comment on "The procedure for uploads, syncs, removal and backport requests is also unchanged (for now)."
[23:35] <ajmitch> syncs via LP were just around the corner back then
[23:35] <Laney> there were roadworks on the corner unfortunately
[23:37] <tumbleweed> broder: there, made lpapicache smarter and removed your code for doing this from backportpackage.


[03:27] <tdaitx> hi! could someone please add a Trusty task to LP: #1694358 with importance Wishlist?
[12:20] <tdaitx> hi! could someone please add a Trusty task to LP: #1694358 with importance Wishlist?
[12:50] <rbasak> tdaitx: done
[12:50] <tdaitx> rbasak, thanks!
[18:55] <hjd> Hm... the apport retracer commented that bug 1693961 and bug 1694492 were duplicates, but failed to mark them as such.
[20:08] <jbicha> bdmurray: did you see that https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html stopped several days ago?
[20:18] <bdmurray> jbicha: Yes, sorry I was on vacation. I'm actively looking at it but LP timeouts seem to be the cause.
[20:48] <jbicha> thanks, I was just making sure you knew about the issue :)


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[04:07] <SteveM_> Hi can lubuntu  be run from a usb drive ?
[05:58] <ravs> trying to boot into lubuntu. cannot progress beyond selecting Install Lubuntu
[21:59] <oscar279> hi guys, i have a problem using my tp link TL-w722n , im using lubuntu 17.04
[21:59] <oscar279> it doesnt recongnize it


[15:10] <AmIOnAirNowHuh> I am seeing your pretty (not) mug now! :-)
[15:12] <AmIOnAirNowHuh> I'm watching .. I think they need to watch from G+ to see that number increase
[15:14] <AmIOnAirNowHuh> Why is the chat not working?
[15:14] <AmIOnAirNowHuh> All your moms use Windows :-P
[15:20] <AmIOnAirNowHuh2> are you playing in a loop
[18:04] <christoffer> It's live!
[18:05] <christoffer> yea
[18:06] <nja> Am I in the right place jono?
[18:06] <nja> Yay!
[18:06] <nja> I'm just watching the steam on YouTube and using my custom IRC client.  Am I missing out on anything?
[18:07] <christoffer> No, Xchat...the chat on the webpage doesn't load
[18:07] <nja> Same here
[18:07] <christoffer> the irc client did load
[18:07] <christoffer> previously
[18:07] <nja> yea, just for a sec
[18:07] <christoffer> yea
[18:08] <christoffer> good call jono
[18:08] <christoffer> cya
[18:15] <mhall119> can everybody having problems try reloading the page?
[18:18] <nlsthzn> for great success
[18:19] <nlsthzn> yup
[18:19] <nlsthzn> why am I talking to a video :/
[18:20] <zul> yes
[18:20] <mhall119> because you're friendly?
[18:20] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:21] <Klau3> yep
[18:21] <zul> janky?
[18:22]  * not_found should be in bed and not be here >.>
[18:22] <Klau3> yes
[18:30] <christoffer> mhall119, 15 minutes late but it loads now. The freenode webchat that is.
[18:31] <ArchAngelNix> Just to make sure I'm not missing something, this QA was suppose to start 30 minute ago right?
[18:32] <mhall119> ArchAngelNix: it was cancelled due to technical problems that have since been resolved
[18:32] <mhall119> jono will re-schedule it for later in the week
[18:32] <Klau3> Blender Foundation's fourth short movie is out!!!! :)
[18:32] <Klau3> jep
[18:32] <ArchAngelNix> mhall119: Thanks for that update.
[18:34] <mhall119> np
[19:38] <lifebird> is 'court' still in session? ;)


[14:18] <nealmcb> Hmm - guess I'm not currently a channel operator.  Can someone set the topic to fix the logs link? : Colorado Ubuntu Linux Team:  http://coloco.ubuntu-rocks.org/ ||  Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ || Pastbin: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[16:33] <nealmcb> Hmm - guess I'm not currently a channel operator.  Can someone set the topic to fix the logs link? : Colorado Ubuntu Linux Team:  http://coloco.ubuntu-rocks.org/ ||  Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ || Pastbin: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[16:33] <nealmcb> FunnyLookinHat: ^
[16:33] <FunnyLookinHat> ?
[16:33] <FunnyLookinHat> I don't think I have ops either...  let's see.
[16:33] <FunnyLookinHat> Yup - nope.
[16:34] <FunnyLookinHat> joey,  ?
[16:34] <joey> lemme look
[16:34] <joey> both of you do
[16:34] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm
[16:34] <FunnyLookinHat> Maybe I don't know how to grant ops ot myself.
[16:34] <joey> are you identified with nickserv?
[16:35] <FunnyLookinHat> Yup
[16:35] <FunnyLookinHat> err
[16:35] <joey> you are both  +ARfiorstv
[16:35] <FunnyLookinHat> Says I'm not registered...
[16:35] <joey> that's likely the problem
[16:35] <nealmcb> nealmcb   H   0  ~neal@ubuntu/member/nealmcb [Neal McBurnett]
[16:35] <FunnyLookinHat> Pretty sure I'm registered though - my cloak is on and everything
[16:36] <nealmcb> Whats the diff - cloak doesn't mean registered?
[16:36] <FunnyLookinHat> I thought it did ?
[16:36] <nealmcb> joey: what command did you use to get +ARfiorstv
[16:36]  * FunnyLookinHat is an IRC noob.
[16:36] <FunnyLookinHat> I know how to emote and talk.
[16:36] <FunnyLookinHat> haha
[16:36] <joey>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-us-co list
[16:36]  * nealmcb has forgotten most of what he knew
[16:37] <FunnyLookinHat> " Insufficient parameters for ACCESS."
[16:37] <FunnyLookinHat> duh.
[16:37] <FunnyLookinHat> sorry I can't read. - bad morning.
[16:37] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah weird.
[16:42] <FunnyLookinHat> It's not case sensitive, right ?
[16:48] <nealmcb> I had to first sign in or whatever:  /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-us-co
[16:48] <FunnyLookinHat> oh
[16:48] <FunnyLookinHat> hey
[16:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Look at that.
[16:48] <nealmcb> woot!  We rule!
[16:48] <FunnyLookinHat> phew.
[16:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Back to normal.
[16:49] <nealmcb> That's right - they didn't want people looking too important here by default :)
[16:53] <nealmcb> first time the topic was changed since 2008-5-29....
[16:54]  * nealmcb fixes spelling
[16:55] <nealmcb> someone also needs to register our upcoming event in the official way on launchpad loco events page
[16:55] <nealmcb> but I'll be missing it - going to a memorial service back east....
[21:42] <joey> "The price of an eight year-old dromedary camel"
[21:42] <FunnyLookinHat> ha
[21:42] <FunnyLookinHat> the donate values are pretty funn
[21:42] <FunnyLookinHat> *funny
[21:43] <joey> :-)
[22:08] <mfisch> I think they come from here
[22:08] <mfisch> https://secure1.heifer.org/gift-catalog


[02:06] <NCommander> prpplague: I won't try it, its extremely fragile, and doesn't work as well as you'd expect it to
[02:08] <prpplague> NCommander: the distcc?
[02:09] <NCommander> prpplague: yes
[02:09] <prpplague> NCommander: well i'm just wondering how the build farms of HP/compaq were so successful
[02:11] <NCommander> prpplague: they threw a lot of hardware a tthe problem with QEMU
[02:12] <prpplague> NCommander: so it doesn't look as though it is a simply implementation
[02:12] <NCommander> prpplague: I recommend you ask the OBS/HP guys about it. I only used icecc for building OOo seperate of the Ubuntu infrastructure
[02:13] <prpplague> NCommander: yea, it's a back burner project, i'll get to it soon
[03:30] <DanaG> "PVRShell: Unable to create surface"
[03:31] <DanaG> er, will go in #beagle.
[09:12] <GrueMaster_> Morning all.
[10:08] <DanaG> Say, I can't start lxsession.
[10:08] <DanaG> Here's a strace of it: http://pastebin.com/4QntHZ2n
[10:11] <DanaG> Or rather, it starts and then immediately exits.
[10:15] <DanaG> Looks like /etc/xdg/LXDE/desktop.conf is MIA.
[10:15] <DanaG> !find /etc/xdg/LXDE/desktop.conf
[10:15] <ubot2> DanaG: Please use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ to search for files
[10:15] <DanaG> Oh, really?
[10:15] <DanaG>            Error  more than one suite specified for show_static (dapper dapper-updates  dapper-backports hardy hardy-updates hardy-backports intrepid  intrepid-updates intrepid-backports jaunty jaunty-updates  jaunty-backports karmic karmic-updates karmic-backports lucid)
[10:15] <DanaG> That's bull.
[10:16] <DanaG> Nice job.
[10:23] <DanaG> ah, looks like the file is in lxde-common, which lxsession does NOT depend on.
[10:26] <DanaG> That's a bug.
[10:36] <lag> ogra: GrueMaster: ping
[10:37] <GrueMaster> Yes?
[10:42] <lag> I've been trying to recreate the scheduling whilst atomic bug
[10:43] <lag> I have used all RAM and swap
[10:43] <lag> And nothing ...
[10:46] <lag> GrueMaster: -^
[10:46] <GrueMaster> Hmm.  I'm seeing it here now, but w/o USB, I'm not sure how you can reproduce it.
[10:50] <GrueMaster> If you want to bring your own monitor & power supply, you are welcome to join us here.
[10:52] <lag> GrueMaster: You're 2hrs away and I have no transport :)
[10:52] <GrueMaster> oops.
[10:52] <lag> GrueMaster: As I can't recreate, I'm going to have to drop this and pick it up when my board it replaced
[10:52] <lag> amitk: ping
[11:26] <amitk> lag: pong
[11:27] <lag> Hi Amit
[11:27] <amitk> lag: what's up?
[11:28] <lag> Do the Linaro team have XM boards which actually work?
[11:28] <lag> Or do they suffer from the same memory issues that ours do?
[11:29] <amitk> lag: I think we might have a few newer boards
[11:29] <amitk> lag: mine went back to the arm team
[11:30] <lag> amitk: I'm caught between a rock and hard place
[11:30] <lag> amitk: I have an XM with memory issues, so I can't do any more with that
[11:30] <lag> amitk: And an XM which has broken USB
[11:31] <amitk> ouch!
[11:32] <lag> amitk: Yeah :(
[11:32] <lag> amitk: I'm guessing you can be of no help?
[11:32] <amitk> lag: with HW? or testing?
[11:32] <lag> HW
[11:32] <amitk> lag: we're facing severe shortage ourselves
[11:33] <lag> We don't officially support XM, so I'm guessing they'd have to come from you guys
[11:35] <amitk> lag: doesn't the board work with mem=256M cmdline?
[11:35] <lag> I can't remember what happened when I tried that actually
[11:36] <lag> I don't think so
[11:37] <amitk> lag: that sounds strange, AFAIK the 'problem' was only in one bank. Have you asked TI?
[11:38] <lag> ogra: Ping
[11:38] <ogra> the XM with the fixed ram arent available to anyone yet
[11:38] <lag> ogra: How does the daily build look for the XM currently?
[11:38] <ogra> they all have the broken chips, the prob doesnt manifest on all boards though
[11:39] <ogra> lag, havent tested for a while due to the mmc issues
[11:39] <lag> The ro issues?
[11:39] <ogra> yep
[11:39]  * ogra pulls todays image to check it
[11:40] <lag> The ro issues will still reside
[11:40] <ogra> ah, k
[11:40] <ogra> then i cant test
[11:40] <lag> The _fix_ has been rejected a few times from linux-omap
[11:41] <lag> rcn-ee: Needs to send it up one more time
[11:41] <lag> I believe it will be accepted on the next attempt
[11:44] <lag> 4th time lucky
[11:44] <lag> Well thanks anyway amitk
[11:48] <amitk> lag: sorry I couldn't be of any more help
[11:48] <GrueMaster> ogra:  I am still testing package upgrades.  apparmor and all of Xorg updates  passed.  Now testing libgtk.
[11:49] <ogra> GrueMaster, great, thanks
[11:49] <ogra> do you see the same odd behavior with dbus if you start it manually ?
[11:49] <ogra> (board locking up hard)
[11:49] <GrueMaster> Didn't try.  Just updating/rebooting.
[11:49] <GrueMaster> But I can check.
[11:49] <ogra> did you check that it runs ?
[11:49] <ogra> after a reboot i mean
[11:50] <GrueMaster> Yes, it runs.
[11:50] <lag> amitk: No problem
[11:50] <lag> amitk: How was Tony?
[11:50] <lag> :)
[11:50] <amitk> Tony is fine. The sushi even better :)
[11:50] <GrueMaster> After reboot, I log in and look for crashes.  The full upgrade won't even start X, so I'm already making major headway there.
[11:51] <ogra> GrueMaster, right, check if the system dbus is in your processlist
[11:52] <GrueMaster> It "should" be.  I'd see a crash report otherwise.
[11:52] <GrueMaster> Yes, it is currently running.
[11:56] <ogra> k
[11:56] <ogra> i wonder why it doesnt start on the dailies
[12:00] <ogra> hmm, the "Natty Narwhal"
[12:18] <rcn-ee> lag, 5th time the charm. ;)
[12:19] <lag> rcn-ee: Good luck Robert :)
[12:31] <GrueMaster> 40 packages tested, 367 to go.  Wheee.
[13:59] <JamesWstubbs> Hello, has anyone here been able to get E17 and Illume working with Karmic armel ?
[14:02] <JamesWstubbs> Hello lilstevie
[14:25] <naveenpenda> freind12
[14:31] <lag> rcn-ee: No sign of you yet?
[14:45] <lag> prpplague: Morning Dave
[15:08] <prpplague> lag: morning
[15:08] <prpplague> lag: i'm headed into the office, be there in about an hour
[15:09] <prpplague> lag: we can chat about panda audio then
[15:09] <prpplague> later!
[15:46] <rsavoye> does anyone know if Maverick will run on the Genesi Efika MX Smarttop ?
[15:47] <rsavoye> they're giving them away free to developers. :-) and I do see them listed on the Linaro wiki
[15:53] <rsalveti> rsalveti: giving for free? where is the link? :-)
[15:54] <rsalveti> argh ahha
[15:54] <rsalveti> rsavoye: ^
[15:55] <rsavoye> http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/program/imx515/
[15:55] <rsavoye> you have to propose a project. they said they sent a few dozen to Debconf too
[15:57] <rsalveti> cool, there are quite a few projects already
[15:58] <rsavoye> yep, he accepted my proposal in about 5 minutes last night. :-)
[15:59] <rsavoye> it comes with Karmic, but I'd prefer to upgrade it to maverick if I can...
[16:00] <rsavoye> 800Mhz sounds nice for big builds too
[16:05] <rsalveti> yeah, it'd probably run fine
[16:05] <rsalveti> will try to propose something there
[16:07] <yacc> Wondering, is the netbook ARM edition available for download?
[16:07] <yacc> I seem to find only "youtube videos" :(
[16:08] <rsalveti> yacc: for what distro version?
[16:08] <rsalveti> and which board are you using?
[16:10] <rsavoye> rsalveti: mine should be here Friday they say, so I'll try Maverick and let you know
[16:10] <yacc> I seem to find only "youtube videos" :(
[16:10] <yacc> Well, the videos seem to talk about a Ubuntu 10.07 Smartbook edition, ...
[16:10] <rsalveti> rsavoye: cool, you can check with the guy that's doing emdebian/ubuntu work
[16:11] <rsalveti> he can tell you the latest status, probably
[16:11] <rsavoye> which is who ?
[16:11] <yacc> rsalveti, at the moment none, but I'm considering a Toshiba AC100
[16:12] <rsalveti> rsavoye: http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/777
[16:13] <rsavoye> cross toolchains are easy, I'm more worried about device driver support
[16:13] <rsalveti> and that would be zumbi
[16:20] <yacc> rsalveti, any idea?
[16:21] <rsalveti> yacc: you could probably run lucid and maverick on it
[16:25] <yacc> rsalveti, yeah, but I seem to be unable to find any docu.
[16:26] <rsalveti> yacc: true, you'll need to be able to get at least the boot loader and the kernel for it
[16:26] <rsalveti> then you can just create an ubuntu rootfs
[16:26] <rsalveti> yacc: is it released already?
[16:26] <yacc> Yeah, where do I get such beasts?
[16:27] <yacc> I have no idea, I come here to ask, the hardware seems to be available or at least it's listed with a number of sites, ...
[16:27] <rsalveti> the kernel is open source, so they'll probably deliver a link or a tarball with the sources
[16:27] <rsalveti> not for the bootloader I have no idea
[16:27] <yacc> http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2010/06/ubuntu-107-smartbook-edition-demoed.html
[16:28] <yacc> Ok, one site lists delivery on 25.8.2010 and the other one in about 5 weeks ;)
[16:28] <yacc> So it's not released yet, but somebody seems to have gotten Ubuntu to run on it, ...
[16:30] <yacc> http://geizhals.at/eu/a559944.html
[16:30] <yacc> It looks rather nice for 870g, UMTS included.
[16:31] <rsalveti> yacc: the first video is running on a freescale netbook
[16:31] <yacc> Oh, that's funny.
[16:31] <rsalveti> toshiba one is based on nvidia's tegra
[16:33] <yacc> Ok, so no non-Android option, ...
[16:34] <yacc> And I cannot believe that Android is useable without a touchscreen, ...
[16:34] <GrueMaster> Why wouldn't it be?
[16:34] <GrueMaster> Touch screen is mapped similar to a mouse.
[16:35] <ogra> heh, thats jerone in the video
[16:35] <yacc> Well, yes, but the interaction is quite different.
[16:36] <yacc> I had a tablet PC, and trust me, replacing the touchpad/mouse with the stick was not really practical, usually.
[16:36] <rsalveti> yeah
[16:36] <rsalveti> hm, lunch time :-)


[04:08] <R13ose> Hi
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> !dirtycow
[07:23] <ducasse> hi all
[07:48] <Bashing-om> Outta here , G nite
[12:13] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:07] <R13ose> Hi
[13:17] <pauljw> hey BluesKaj
[13:18] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[16:16] <Bashing-om> Good morning - 'buntu'n we will go .
[16:25] <daftykins> wb!
[16:26] <Bashing-om> Good to be here . thanks daftykins :)
[23:07] <Bashing-om> R13ose: I had meant to ask earlier .. what is your driver disposition presently ?
[23:07] <R13ose> how do I find out?
[23:08] <daftykins> well you don't need anything besides the kernel for intel
[23:08] <daftykins> though i wasn't 100% convinced on the graphics situation, so wouldn't mind seeing an "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" :)
[23:09] <Bashing-om> R13ose: Like I mean now functional ? As I recall we could not determine what was not going on .
[23:09] <daftykins> oh my mistake
[23:10] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Naw, ya got it right .
[23:10] <R13ose> I haven't had any problems since I last talked to both of you. I am using Firefox instead of Chrome and haven't had a problem.
[23:10] <R13ose> daftykins: lspci | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:10] <R13ose> oops
[23:10] <R13ose> http://termbin.com/i8tk
[23:11] <daftykins> wow you don't even type it out?
[23:11] <daftykins> yep, barring any physical switches or BIOS options there doesn't seem to be any sign of nvidia in that one
[23:11] <Bashing-om> R13ose: chrome .. who wudda thunk it !
[23:12] <R13ose> I thought I was using AMD
[23:12] <daftykins> i'd be willing to bet the quirks are hardware acceleration related o0
[23:12] <R13ose> graphics most likely
[23:12] <daftykins> AMD? you own an intel system with on-CPU die graphics
[23:13] <daftykins> specifically, a third generation intel Core CPU - aka ivybridge
[23:13] <R13ose> oops right sorry :P
[23:16] <R13ose> anything I need to do?
[23:17] <daftykins> didn't realise the issue was with chrome to begin with, don't really see the need to pursue this any further
[23:19] <R13ose> This might not be chrome alone as firefox has had problems in the past too and the dock application I use too
[23:20] <daftykins> well until you provide such evidence all i can do is repeat my warning against using 16.10
[23:22] <R13ose> it wasn't only 16.10
[23:23] <daftykins> yes, but we haven't had the opportunity to work with that one, plus LTS is always best
[23:25] <R13ose> true
[23:27] <daftykins> from what i remember you said you use this thing at work, so i suppose we'll reconvene in July 2017 when it's upgrade time due to 16.10 going EOL - and it dying :>
[23:28] <R13ose> at work?
[23:29] <daftykins> that's what i remembered being said
[23:30] <daftykins> not directly perhaps
[23:30] <R13ose> I work from my home
[23:34] <daftykins> ok, but using a non-LTS release for work is way up on the inadvisable list
[23:34] <daftykins> gotta go now, laters
[23:34] <R13ose> thanks