[12:21] <knittl> how can I troubleshoot why deadkeys are not working anymore?
[13:41] <Seveas> knittl: gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.desktop.input-sources
[15:33] <knittl> Seveas: was genau ist davon interessant? sources ist [('xkb', 'de+neo')]
[17:32] <Seveas> knittl: the tricky thing is now to find out if de+neo is ne that should have sticky keys :)
[17:32] <Seveas> if not, you'll need to change it to one that is
[23:33] <knittl> Seveas: it has/had. also, I have my custom .XCompose which is not working either


[06:45] <bilalakhtar> Can anyone suggest me a few bugs that need to be SRUed so that I could work on them?
[06:50]  * micahg needs an SRU uploaded :-/
[06:53] <bilalakhtar> micahg: YOu need one uploaded, right? I need one to work on!
[06:53] <bilalakhtar> micahg: You need an SRU uploaded from the Mozilla package set?
[06:54] <micahg> bilalakhtar: yes, I can only upload to maverick and later
[06:54] <bilalakhtar> Actually, I got a patch for one thing and nominated it for lucid so that I could get it into -proposed and hence SRUed. But pitti declined it, saying 'This issue is not a large one'
[06:56] <lifeless> bilalakhtar: why do you need to work on an SRU ?
[06:56] <bilalakhtar> lifeless: a bug!
[06:56] <lifeless> bilalakhtar: I mean, its nice that you're contributing, but why an SRU in particular? SRU's are -very- costly to do in terms of time, testing, QA & risk.
[06:56] <bilalakhtar> oh, you asked why?
[06:57] <bilalakhtar> lifeless: I have applied for MOTU, and tumbleweed and ari-tczew (I don't know the spelling) have said that its difficult to become MOTU unless and unti you work on one. AND I like the SRU process, so it would be something good you're contributing to Ubuntu
[06:58] <micahg> bilalakhtar: there's not enough time between now and the next meeting to get an SRU verified and into -updates
[06:59] <bilalakhtar> micahg: Atleast you could get it into -proposed!
[06:59] <micahg> bilalakhtar: right, but the true test is that is gets to -updates and Fix Releases w/out regressions
[06:59] <bilalakhtar> micahg: of course, that's why I am searching for bugs that can be patched cleanly
[07:00] <lifeless> bilalakhtar: well, FWIW, I'm MOTU, but I wouldn't personally look for 'has done an SRU' as a particularly important metric for being a MOTU.
[07:00] <lifeless> consistent and accurate work on packages, knowing when out of depth, working well with the group : those are the things I'd look for.
[07:00] <bilalakhtar> I could point out that I have seen 2 bugs getting SRUed from the beginning
[07:00] <bilalakhtar> so I know thw workflow
[07:00] <bilalakhtar> AND
[07:01] <bilalakhtar> the importance of preventing regressiions
[07:01]  * bilalakhtar hates his keyboard
[07:36] <bilalakhtar> Whoa! No updates overnight in maverick!
[07:36] <bilalakhtar> everyone is enjoying the weekend
[07:36]  * micahg will probably upload something a little later
[07:41] <Laibsch> Hi
[07:41] <Laibsch> I'm in the process of taking over maintainership of isdnutils
[07:41] <Laibsch> I looked at the Ubuntu package and especially the patches
[07:42] <Laibsch> I don't quite understand what's the use of the script of many of the patches in the form of http://patches.ubuntu.com/i/isdnutils/extracted/template.dpatch
[07:42] <Laibsch> for example http://patches.ubuntu.com/i/isdnutils/extracted/vboxplay-bashisms.dpatch and http://patches.ubuntu.com/i/isdnutils/extracted/ppp-2.4.4b1.dpatch
[07:42] <Laibsch> seems like a waste of space
[07:43] <micahg> Laibsch: convert to quilt and or src format 3 :)
[07:43] <Laibsch> I usually do
[07:43] <bilalakhtar> Laibsch: use 3.0 (quilt) format, that'll help you
[07:43] <bilalakhtar> micahg: :)
[07:43] <Laibsch> I just wonder why those things were ever there in the first place
[07:44] <micahg> Laibsch: make dpatch more polite maybe?
[07:44] <Laibsch> Debian package already does use DebSrc3.0
[07:44]  * bilalakhtar hates dpatch, just because its patches are too cumbersome
[07:44] <Laibsch> polite?
[07:45] <Laibsch> anyway seems like it should be safe to ignore that script-in-patch
[07:45] <micahg> Laibsch: fail more gracefully
[07:45] <Laibsch> aha
[07:45] <bilalakhtar> Laibsch: You're free to drop Ubuntu changes if they are no longer needed, or are unnecessary
[07:45] <Laibsch> not my concern I think
[07:45] <Laibsch> bilalakhtar: I know about that
[07:45] <Laibsch> thanks
[07:45] <micahg> Laibsch: are you taking over in Debian?
[07:45] <Laibsch> isdnutils will need a LOT of TLC first
[07:45] <Laibsch> of course
[07:45] <Laibsch> micahg: ^^^
[07:45] <micahg> that'll be good, we've been ahead of Debian since hardy :-/
[07:46] <Laibsch><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:46] <Laibsch> one of the last entries
[07:46]  * bilalakhtar wishes he could maintain a package in Debian, he has 6 ITPs pending
[07:46] <Laibsch> yes, I always make it a priority to go back to syncing instead of merging
[07:46]  * micahg was going to co-maintain something, but the main updater beat me to to update
[07:46] <Laibsch> but isdnutils will be a tough nut to crack
[07:46] <Laibsch> maybe not tough
[07:46] <micahg> Laibsch: you're a brave soul
[07:47] <Laibsch> but a lot of little things to fix
[07:47] <Laibsch> maybe I'm just stupid enough ;-)
[07:47] <Laibsch> I hardly even use the package ;-)
[07:47] <Laibsch> But I believe in small changes
[07:47] <Laibsch> and release early and often
[07:47] <bilalakhtar> RoAkSoAx: What's the matter with your connection?
[07:47] <Laibsch> as long as I can improve things a little
[07:48] <bilalakhtar> RoAkSoAx: Would like to remind you about bug #547267
[07:48] <RoAkSoAx> lol idk :)
[07:48] <Laibsch> micahg: you are interested in comaintainership
[07:48] <Laibsch> ?
[07:48] <Laibsch> I was looking for a few more people
[07:49] <Laibsch> because there are certainly a number of things I don't know very well in isdn
[07:49] <bilalakhtar> micahg is the ubuntu-mozilla golden dev!
[07:49] <Laibsch> I've got one comaintainer that knows how to code, I'm more of a packaging guy
[07:49] <Laibsch> but I felt that was the bare minimum
[07:49] <Laibsch> I would not have taken over all by myself
[07:50] <Laibsch> if you'd like to join you'd be more than welcome
[07:50] <micahg> Laibsch: I'm already in over my head w/the mozilla rdepends + the packages I use on a regular basis
[07:50] <Laibsch> I asked a number of people including Paul, but they declined for various reasons
[07:50] <bilalakhtar> Laibsch: You mean Paul Wise?
[07:50] <micahg> I am trying to start working on the xul rdepends in Debian though, I just need a little time to acclimate to git
[07:51] <RoAkSoAx> bilalakthar will do had been working on other stuff.
[07:51] <micahg> Laibsch: unfortunately, also, I don't know much about isdnutils, so it would be all uphill and I can't take that on ATM
[07:51] <bilalakhtar> RoAkSoAx: No problem :) No urgency, well you spelt my nick wrong !
[07:51] <Laibsch> bilalakhtar: no, paul slootman
[07:52] <Laibsch> last Debian maintainer
[07:52] <Laibsch> of many years
[07:52] <Laibsch> micahg: I know almost nothing about isdn
[07:52] <Laibsch> the other guy does
[07:52] <RoAkSoAx> sry im from cell phone :)
[07:52] <micahg> bilalakhtar: and chrisccoulson would probably be more the ubuntu-mozilla golden dev, I'm just the helper :)
[07:53] <Laibsch> again, I'm bringing DM status and packaging know-how, the other guy the coding skills and isdn knowledge to the table
[07:53] <Laibsch> more packaging skills would certainly be good
[07:53]  * micahg goes looking for tumbleweed's grab-udd-merge script
[07:53] <Laibsch> and since you're only co-maintaining there's no immediate sole responsibility
[07:53] <Laibsch> packaging will be maintained in git-debian.org
[07:53] <bilalakhtar> micahg: Has it been completed? I don't uppose
[07:53] <bilalakhtar> *suppose
[07:53] <Laibsch> feel free to stop by even as non-maintainer
[07:54] <micahg> bilalakhtar: what?
[07:54] <bilalakhtar> micahg: grab-udd-merge
[07:54] <micahg> bilalakhtar: no, I think it's in progress
[07:55] <micahg> Laibsch: I have a passing interest in pastebinit, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of bugs for it
[08:14] <AnAnt> Hello
[08:44] <tumbleweed> micahg: found it?
[08:48] <micahg> tumbleweed: yep, thanks, the package hasn't reached experimental yet though, so I haven't tested it yet
[09:20] <micahg> tumbleweed: do you have time to sponsor an SRU?
[09:21] <tumbleweed> micahg: sure
[09:22] <micahg> bug 625801
[09:49] <AlanBell> at the moment adobe-flashplugin is not available in the canonical partner archive, how do I file a bug about this?
[09:49] <AlanBell> the problem it causes is that if you get guided to the adobe site to install flash it tries to use apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$dist-partner
[09:50] <AlanBell> apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner rather
[09:50] <micahg> AlanBell: AFAIK, there are no partner uploads yet
[09:50] <AlanBell> there are some
[09:50] <AlanBell> http://archive.canonical.com/dists/maverick/partner/binary-amd64/Packages
[09:51] <AlanBell> in fact it is there in i386
[09:51] <AlanBell> http://archive.canonical.com/dists/maverick/partner/binary-i386/Packages
[09:52] <micahg> AlanBell: idk then, seems weird, I know that sun java isn't there yet
[12:13] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: around?
[12:13] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: yes
[12:15] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: could you give me more information about this: versionmangle strips .dfsg, but your package is +dfsg
[12:17] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: s/\.dfsg// isn't exactly what you want wen your version is 0.4.2+dfsg
[12:17] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: which file?
[12:18] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: debian/watch
[12:25] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: about README.source: has suggested by Rhonda :P
[12:27] <tumbleweed> As I said, not everything I mentioned has to be dealt with, you can disagree with me :) It's a nice readme, but I'd expect people to know quilt now that it's part of source format 3.
[12:29] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: about 0.5 version: it's unstable version
[12:30] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: aah, thanks for clearing that up
[12:30] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I'm not sure 100%, I'll ask upstream => davidsansome
[12:32] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: about copyright... it's also reviewed by Rhonda. we wanted add information about /debian* files. could you review older revisions on my branch? diff is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/clementine/REVU/revision/7
[12:34] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: the way I understand dep5, if you want to use a licence-body multiple times, you put it in a standalone section (i.e. just License: Foo\nBody) and reference it from all the stanzas that need it
[12:34] <tumbleweed> when you have "License: Foo or Bar" you have to have two standalone sections
[12:36] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: do you mean about this: License: Qt Commercial or LGPL-2.1 or GPL-3
[12:36] <tumbleweed> yeah, also the CPL one
[12:36] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I understand, we should choice one license right?
[12:37] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: no, I'm saying if you have "Qt Commercial or LGPL-2.1" you don't follow that with the Qt body
[12:37] <tumbleweed> it doesn't matter that much, nothing is parsing DEP5 (yet?). I just think it's not technically correct.
[12:39] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: copyright file is maintained by davidsansome. but I understand, that I'm responsible for this one as uploader.
[12:39] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: btw. can I create file when I can write who created which file?
[12:39] <ari-tczew> credits file
[12:41] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: I don't really untersntand?
[12:43] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I;m not an author of all files in debian/*. I want to write somewhere credits. e.g. ari-tczew is an author of debian/rules, John Doe is an author of debian/copyright
[12:46] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: you can do that
[12:57] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: around?
[12:58] <Laney> ari-tczew: you can do that, but do you really need to? The changelog is good attribution.
[12:58] <ari-tczew> Laney: for me is not problem, just asking for developers feedback
[12:59] <ari-tczew> Laney: I thought that README.debian or something is for credits
[12:59] <Laney> if you feel you've made a substantial contribution then you can add yourself as a copyright holeder
[13:27] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: bug with g-s-d is when I copy/paste from image taken throgh print screen
[14:33] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: your second patch isn't fixed the problem :(
[14:42] <c_korn> how could I write a debian/watch file for the release version of snowglobe? http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowglobe
[14:42] <c_korn> the download directory does not give any information if it is a release or development version
[16:32] <RainCT> wow Launchpad is sucking badly
[16:34] <RainCT> Hey c_korn
[16:34] <RainCT> c_korn: Are you aware that there are existing packages for Snowglobe? http://apt.byteme.org.uk/
[16:35] <RainCT> c_korn: The authors of that were looking into getting it into Debian some months ago, I'm not sure why they haven't done so yet.
[16:39] <korn_> RainCT: seems they do not have a watch file at all anyway: http://git.byteme.org.uk/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=snowglobe.git;a=tree;f=trunk/debian;h=056f47cd5ce07c3671361aa8beea14e8a42a663e;hb=HEAD
[17:00] <\sh> did I already said, that I hate "On Duty" services, even paid ones?
[17:08] <Laney> what's an 'on duty' service?
[18:08] <sebner> Laney: I guess that's end-user phone support over the weekend @home
[19:36] <valavanisalex> Hi all, I'm struggling with a manual merge on bug #628048
[19:36] <valavanisalex> Can anyone help my figure out why it is giving FTBFS?
[19:37] <tumbleweed> valavanisalex: manual merge? as opposed to?
[19:37] <valavanisalex> As opposed to bzr-mergepackage or MoM
[19:38] <tumbleweed> if you prefer bzr, you can bzr import-dsc the experimental dsc onto your debian branch then merge-package that
[19:38] <kklimonda> hmm.. django has some tests that depend on UTF-8 locales. Are there any locales with UTF-8 on builders and if not can I install language-pack-en-base?
[19:38] <tumbleweed> valavanisalex: my guess is that /usr/share/pixmaps hasn't been created. Put it in debian/dirs
[19:38] <valavanisalex> Ah, does that work even if the debian package is maintained in git?
[19:39] <evilshadeslayer> valavanisalex: inkscape.xpm << is that file in debian/ ?
[19:39] <tumbleweed> oh, yes, do you have a debian/inkscape.xmp? :)
[19:39] <valavanisalex> yes, debian/inkscape.xpm is present
[19:40] <evilshadeslayer> oh then debian/dirs mod :D
[19:40] <valavanisalex> but /usr/share/pixmaps is not in debian dirs
[19:40] <valavanisalex> I'll try that!
[19:40] <tumbleweed> valavanisalex: debian using git doesn't matter
[19:40] <valavanisalex> tumbleweed: great, thanks
[19:40] <kklimonda> or I could regenrate locales on the fly..
[19:41] <valavanisalex> weird: /usr/share/pixmaps wasn't in the old ubuntu version either, but that builds with no problems
[19:41] <evilshadeslayer> valavanisalex: loads of stuff changes
[19:41] <evilshadeslayer> could be that some other package created that dir
[19:42] <evilshadeslayer> but now it doesnt... so ...
[19:42] <valavanisalex> yeah, I guess so.  Thanks for the help.  I'll modify debian/dirs and see if it builds correctly
[19:43] <tumbleweed> no other package will create that dir, (it's actualy $(CURDIR)/debian/inkscape/usr/share/pixmaps ), but it could be created by some other part of the build
[20:04] <micahg> tumbleweed: for sablotron, xml-resume-library has an optional recommends on sablotron, no need to remove
[20:09] <tumbleweed> micahg: yeah, but it looks like it might as well go
[20:10] <micahg> tumbleweed: oh, I see :), removed from unstable, good call
[21:45] <OwaisL> Hey friends. I read somewhere that the Extra repo is up. What is the workflow to submit apps?
[21:48] <OwaisL> RainCT: hey, I uploaded a sane version of that package lately to REVU. Want to check out? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gmailwatcher
[22:09] <kevykev1> Hello everyone !! I am new to the team and would like to introduce myself.. My name is Kevin McKinney; I am a masters student at Carnegie Mellon University.
[22:09] <iulian> Hello Kevin.
[22:09] <kevykev1> I am a C / C++ programmer (not an expert); and I would like to start helping out anyway I can
[22:10] <kevykev1> Hi iulian
[22:10] <kevykev1> I an interested in enhancing the gnome-device-manager package
[22:11] <iulian> kevykev1: Cool.  You might be interested in joining #ubuntu-desktop.  The guys from there deal with gnome packages.
[22:11] <kevykev1> okay, i will join that channel
[22:13] <iulian> Excellent.
[22:17] <kmckinney1> Thanks iulian!! I have joined the #ubuntu-desktop channel..
[22:21] <iulian> kmckinney1: You're welcome.
[22:52] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: around?
[22:54] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: only just
[23:52] <blackmatter> LF mentor
[23:56] <lfaraone_> What's the youngest current age of a MOTU?
[23:57] <micahg> lfaraone: at least 17 on the way down
[23:58] <lfaraone> micahg: hm? just wondering. I'm a little bit above 17, and wondering if I'm that one.
[23:59] <micahg> lfaraone: no :), I'm thinking of nhandler


[06:47] <ejat> congrats head_victim !
[07:52] <gorilla> what has head_victim done now?
[08:06] <head_victim> Thanks ejat
[08:06] <ejat> welcome ..
[08:07] <head_victim> gorilla: joined the Asia & Oceania Membership Board.
[08:07] <ejat> gorilla : head_victim now one of asia oceania membership board
[08:09] <head_victim> Hah beat you by a second :)
[08:11] <benonsoftware> Well done
[08:11] <ejat> :P
[09:04] <gorilla> nicely done head_victim
[09:04] <head_victim> I warned them about my shiftwork meaning I can't make 100% of the meetings but that didn't seem to be a problem
[09:15] <gorilla> It's a trap with shift work these days anyway.
[09:18] <head_victim> One of these days I'll find a 9-5
[09:24] <gorilla> or get yourself a 7-3 which could work out better :-)
[09:30] <head_victim> Yeah, I'm more a 12 - 8 kinda person ;)
[09:48] <gorilla> head_victim: I'm working at a company that provides stockbroking services. So my hours are 7-4PM which is kind of ironic. The ASX stock market close at the same time.
[09:48] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:49] <head_victim> gorilla: makes sense though really
[09:50] <gorilla> head_victim: yeah. Yesterday was a shocker when IRESS was offline on and off for parts of the day.
[09:57] <gorilla> link to outage: http://www.smh.com.au/business/technical-glitches-leave-dealers-flying-blind-20110824-1ja8b.html
[10:01] <head_victim> Bummer
[10:02] <head_victim> BBL, going to pick up my wife.
[10:05] <benonsoftware> That is a bummer
[23:49] <valorin> Anyone round running Oneiric?
[23:50] <sagaci> yep
[23:51] <valorin> Are you having any issues with Unity? Since a recent upgrade it's stopped working. Each time I login it goes to the dodgy screen with wallpaper and the menubar, but nothing else. (if that makes sense?)
[23:51] <valorin> See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/833463
[23:52] <sagaci> yeah not happening this end
[23:53] <valorin> mmm... :(
[23:53] <valorin> I've tried reinstalling, but the installer has a bug preventing the 'Continue' button from being clicked.. so I'm stuck with Gnome-Shell..
[23:55] <valorin> brb
[23:58] <valorin> mmm...curious, I think I fixed it


[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77025 in Ubuntu "hibernate fails on feisty with sata hdd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77025
[02:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77031 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu Desktop and Alternate CD installers crash randomly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77031
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77033 in gnome-panel (main) "Remove "Online Documentation" from System/Help menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77033
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77036 in Ubuntu "blue lines on install screen - DESKTOP CD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77036
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77037 in kdebase (main) "Monitor & Display missing refresh rate values" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77037
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77038 in pycaml (universe) "Please sync pycaml (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77038
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77039 in Ubuntu "weird sound issue (headphone+dvd)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77039
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77040 in smpeg-xmms (universe) "Please sync smpeg-xmms (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77040
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77041 in ltsp (main) "Fails to upgrade from Edgy to Feisty due to depends on openbsd-inetd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77041
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77046 in update-manager (main) "Ubuntu 6.06->6.10 upgrade crashes in Samba" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77046
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77048 in ubiquity (main) "Crashed on instalation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77048
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77049 in debian-med (universe) "med-common isnt installable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77049
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77050 in firefox (main) "marque-pages crash au moment de changer le nom" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77050
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77051 in Ubuntu "Desktop icons overlap at ubuntu bootup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77051
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77053 in transcode (multiverse) "Transcode segmentation fault" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77053
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77057 in smb4k (universe) "Please sync smb4k (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77057
[02:05] <merlin-linux> humbug to you all
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77060 in kbd-chooser (main) "No "@" in German keyboard, applett crashing when Turkey keyboards present" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77060
[02:48] <dthacker> bug # 500243
[02:49] <Adri2000> I don't think we have so much bugs
[02:49] <dthacker> bug #500243
[02:49] <Adri2000> no
[02:49] <dthacker> argh
[02:50] <dthacker> bug #50243
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50243 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 "External monitor on intel 945GM/Dell D620 (and D420) causes lockup." [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50243
[02:51] <dthacker> Hi, don't quite know what to do with this.  Behavior has been confirmed.  Patch has been submitted to upstream.  Patch has been rejected by upstream because it breaks other machines.
[02:52] <dthacker> Upstream is closed as WONTFIX
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77064 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "patch allowing lrm builds against custom kernels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77064
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71380 in serpentine (main) "Serpentine crashes while trying to close the app" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71380
[04:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77066 in openoffice.org (main) "There is no possibility to rearrange columns in OpenOffice Base" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77066
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77067 in firefox (main) "Firefox Crash but i never saw it crashing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77067
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77068 in openoffice.org (main) "ttf-opensymbol fail to install if it can lookup in $USER/.kdr/share/fonts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77068
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77069 in Ubuntu "Problems with Feisty DESKTOP CD installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77069
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77070 in gaim (main) "upgrade breakage: file conflict with gaim-data" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77070
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77073 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "xorg-driver-fglrx dependent on xserver-xorg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77073
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77074 in ubiquity (main) "6.10 installer crashed when installing grub on sdb (usbdisk)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77074
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77075 in Ubuntu "Nautilus eats my processor cycles" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77075
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77077 in Ubuntu "crash report from beryl-manager when starting my pc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77077
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77078 in gaim (main) "Gaim crashes unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77078
[07:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77080 in gnucash (universe) "No help in edgy/6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77080
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77085 in kdebase "[Edgy]  KHelpCenter Desktop Sharing Doc Error" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77085
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77089 in Ubuntu "beryl-xgl crashed (`beryl-xgl' crash: Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77089
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77090 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "[sparc]  "General Fault" light lit at bootup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77090
[11:49] <tarheelcoxn> hi
[11:50] <tarheelcoxn> I just put a comment on bug #32698
[11:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32698 in openoffice.org "Clipboard doesn't work OOo2/GNOME 2.14" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32698
[11:50] <marnanel> oh?
[11:51] <tarheelcoxn> one other person has also confirmed it
[11:51] <tarheelcoxn> can I change it to "confirmed"?
[11:51] <tarheelcoxn> or is there a better-written bug report I should've commented on?
[11:52] <tarheelcoxn> I'm not sure how to go about getting good debugging info for oowriter
[11:52] <tarheelcoxn> strace spits me back at the command line after oowriter finishes starting up
[11:53] <tarheelcoxn> any suggestions would be most appreciated
[11:55] <tarheelcoxn> please do leave messages
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77091 in kde-guidance (main) "The AC adapter has been unplugged, switching to battery mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77091


[00:48] <jfig1234> hi all, having a problem here at home, I have a server running for months without problem, now without any change (except for upgrades to ubuntu) the server only works for a few minutes connected to a specific network switch and then stalls. connector to another switch seems to work to. other equipment (freeNAS, router, etc) works fine
[01:02] <twb> jfig1234: do you have physical access to the host?
[01:04] <jfig1234> twb: yes
[01:04] <twb> jfig1234: is the problem currently occurring?
[01:06] <jfig1234> twb: no, but i can easly re-plug the server on the switch
[01:08] <twb> jfig1234: you want to collect information like "dpkg -l network-manager", "ethtool", "ip addr" and "ip route" both before and after the problem occurs.
[01:08] <twb> jfig1234: you may also want to use tshark or tcpdump to perform packet sniffing
[01:09] <twb> It may just be a switch or cable is dead, and needs to be replaced.
[01:10] <jfig1234> thanks, i'll give those a try, has for ports, cables, et all i've tried several... and oother equipment on that switch works fine
[01:11] <jfig1234> since its a test version i'll also try and install a older version of ubuntu and see if it works again
[01:13] <twb> I do not think a different release will change anything.
[01:18] <cef> anyone used the 'rescue mode' on the server disk? why is it asking me about a root fs? the root fs on this machine is trashed and the disks are going to fail. All I want to do is boot up a minimal install and copy the files off the machine, preferably across the network.
[01:19] <jfig1234> twb: i dont see how either but this has gotten me very bugged... same server works on one switch and not on another, switch thats causing the problems works fine with other equipment... that server was working for several months - on that switch - without and problem.....
[01:19] <twb> I assume you have rebooted the switch
[01:19] <jfig1234> :) several time
[01:19] <twb> cef: the rescue target will not help you there
[01:20] <cef> twb: yeah.. and there isn't even an ftp client on the thing.. grr
[01:20] <twb> cef: at least, it'll be far less hassle to find generic live media that includes lvm2/mdadm/whatever you need.
[01:20] <cef> or scp
[01:20] <twb> cef: you need to request sshd specifically
[01:21] <twb> cef: it will appear as a checkbox if you boot with expert
[01:21] <cef> twb: in the rescue? ahh ok.. I didn't boot  with expert on the rescue mode
[01:21] <`jpg> jfig1234: Clear the cache on the switch if it doesn't on reboot?
[01:22] <twb> cef: try "rescue priority=low"
[01:22] <twb> cef: but it'd be easier to just use a knoppix or centos live cd
[01:22] <cef> just frustrating that the rescue mode is next to useless if the root fs is trashed, which, imho is one of the reasons you need a rescue disk
[01:22] <twb> The ubuntu ones won't do because they don't include mdadm and lvm2 out of the box, and it's a PITA to install them
[01:22] <cef> don't need either.. hardware raid
[01:23] <twb> cef: I don't think rescue mode is intended to be a full-featured rescue system
[01:23] <cef> but it's an older machine so any livecd that has a gui is going to run like a dog
[01:24] <twb> cef: both centos and knoppix live CDs do not force you to run a GUI
[01:24] <twb> This is another reason they are better than ubuntu's live CD for rescue purposes.
[01:30] <`jpg> cef: Also take a look at hirens boot cd etc, there are lots of console only rescue cds out there that do a great job.
[01:30] <twb> Yu
[01:30] <twb> *Yup
[01:31] <twb> I sometimes roll my own using Debian's live-helper
[01:31] <cef> `jpg: ta
[01:31] <`jpg> I am wanting to build a high availablity cloud using Ubuntu UEC. Has anyone deployed a cloud that can advice in making the cluster controller more redundant.
[01:31] <`jpg> *advise on
[01:38] <cef> well can't find anything at short notice that has the mylex DAC960 driver in it, so trying expert mode just in case
[01:41] <twb> LSI make real hardware raid?
[01:41] <cef> ahh openssh-client-udeb option :D
[01:41] <cef> Mylex, not LSI
[01:42] <cef> (at least, in this system)
[01:42] <twb> "September 2002 - LSI acquired Mylex from IBM."
[01:42] <cef> well, this IS an old machine
[01:42] <twb> Shrug
[01:42] <cef> and this is a Mylex card
[01:44] <cef> and hey, it works. :D
[01:47] <marcelcohrs> hey geys
[01:47] <cef> twb: ta for the help btw re: expert mode on the rescue disk
[01:47] <twb> cef: no problem
[01:48] <twb> cef: the reference is [...]/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/pxelinux.cfg/default
[01:48] <twb> Or just isolinux/isolinux.cfg if you have the CD in front of your :-)
[02:03] <duvnell1> hi, I've livebooted a ubuntu 9.10 CD on a dell, when I plug in my usb external HDD, it's saying a device 2-1 was plugged in, but it is not creating a device.  Any ideas?  should I just get the newest version and hope for the best, or is there something that I can do to prod it alone to create a device?
[02:06] <twb> duvnell1: we can't help you with the live CD, since it's effectively ubuntu *desktop*.
[02:07] <`jpg> Never seems to be any Cloud experts about. :(
[02:08] <twb> `jpg: is there a cloud-specific channel?
[02:08] <twb> e.g. #eucalyptus
[02:10] <`jpg> Hmm..will check, cheers twb.
[03:31] <oh_noes> is there an inittab on hardy server?
[03:31] <cef> is there much different from the server install and the desktop install (apart from default server apps being installed and a gui on the desktop).. just the kernel, isn't it?
[03:31] <cef> or is there base differences in the core somewhere?
[03:33] <twb> oh_noes: upstart only understands a strict subset of inittab
[03:33] <twb> oh_noes: and hardy runs upstart, IIRC
[03:33] <oh_noes> oh thx, didnt realized it was upstart.
[03:33] <twb> oh_noes: most of what would be inittab is in /etc/event.d
[03:34] <ScottK> oh_noes: Dapper was the last Ubuntu release with inittab.
[03:35] <twb> With a default one, that is :-)
[03:36] <oh_noes> thanks guys, looks like upstart has an easier config than inittab too
[03:36]  * cef realises that if he wants to boot off a cdrom, it might be useful to have one in the machine.. oops!
[03:36] <oh_noes> The reason I ask is, I have an OS Appliance where I want to create a "Press F1 to do something" at the console CLI login
[03:37] <oh_noes> so I think (and please tell me if im wrong), modify /etc/event.d/tty1 and use a different getty?
[03:38] <oh_noes> I wonder if any getty alternatives have a 'create a keypess script' so when a keycombo is pressed it just runs a script
[04:05] <maxagaz> is there a tool that can compare the content of files
[04:05] <maxagaz> ?
[04:05] <maxagaz> between two servers
[04:05] <maxagaz> in order to synchronize it
[04:06] <maxagaz> like comparing configuration files
[04:09] <pmatulis> maxagaz: you want one file to become like the other?
[04:09] <pmatulis> maxagaz: or give each file what is missing from the other?
[04:12] <maxagaz> pmatulis, i want some config files to have some common content
[04:13] <maxagaz> pmatulis, but keeping also some special content too
[04:13] <maxagaz> i hear about something like ogeas...
[04:13] <pmatulis> !info ogeas
[04:14] <ScottK> augeaus I think.
[04:15] <pmatulis> !info augeaus
[04:16] <ajmitch> !info augeas
[04:16] <ajmitch> bah :)
[04:17] <ajmitch> it's augeas-tools, augeas-lenses
[04:17] <pmatulis> !info augeas-tools
[04:18] <pmatulis> maxagaz: go for it
[04:22] <maxagaz> thanks!
[04:27] <marks256> when i try to use rsync via ssh to back up to a module, rsync errors out with rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]
[04:27] <marks256> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(600) [sender=3.0.5], but it works fine if i use a direct path. what gives?
[04:33] <tbielawa> soren: did you have any difficulty merging jaunty's libvirt from debian? I'm running into libtool errors but I see no mention of it in the changelogs.
[04:34] <tbielawa> i backported the patch from libvirt 0.6.5 to fix Bug #368084, I just can't get it to build.
[04:35] <tbielawa> perhaps I should poke around in motu while he's away, they may be more recent on libtooling issues
[04:42] <hackeron> I see error messages like: "Dec  8 12:58:12 AmurgDVR udevd-work[598]: pipe failed: Too many open files" and "unable to create db file '/dev/.udev/db/block:sda': Too many open files" - even though there are only ~3k open files according to lsof? - any ideas?
[04:43] <tbielawa> check out `cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max`
[04:44] <hackeron> tbielawa: 96570
[04:46] <tbielawa> not sure, but I'm reading this. http://www.netadmintools.com/art295.html it mentions the difference between lsof and /proc/sys/fs/file-nr
[04:46] <jmarsden> hackeron: ulimit -n   is another way max open files can be restricted
[04:47] <hackeron> jmarsden: ah, ok, that shows 1024 and udevd has 1075 open -- hmmm?
[04:48] <jmarsden> udevd may have been started from an environment with a higher limit.  Also check /etc/security/limits.conf
[04:48] <hackeron> http://dpaste.com/131078/ < what's happening there?
[04:49] <hackeron> jmarsden: that file has nothing but comments - this is a vanille ubuntu karmic
[04:49] <jmarsden> OK.  Your pastie... I'm not sure what that means, looks almost as though udev is finding the drive, losing it, finding it again, losing it... ??
[04:50] <hackeron> same thing on a few other ubuntu karmic servers I have
[04:50] <hackeron> is udevd broken in karmic? -- what does your lsof -n | grep udev | wc -l show?
[04:51] <jmarsden> 37 here on Karmic desktop amd64.
[04:51] <hackeron> mine's a karmic server amd64
[04:52] <jmarsden> But of those, most are GNOME-related
[04:52] <jmarsden> lsof -n | grep udevd | wc -l    # shows only 4
[04:52] <hackeron> # lsof -n | grep udevd | wc -l
[04:53] <jmarsden> I can boot  a Karmic server VM and try it there too...
[04:53] <hackeron> 1073
[04:53] <jmarsden> Wow... that's... a lot :)
[04:53] <jmarsden> Have you modified the udev rules in any way from the defaults?
[04:53] <hackeron> everything seems to work just fine, but I get occational messages in syslog that udevd pipe failed: too many open files
[04:53] <hackeron> nope, everything is completely vanilla
[04:54] <jmarsden> Then that looks like a bug of some sort to me.
[04:54] <hackeron> only thing I changed is the apache config and the flag not to prompt on fsck during boot in /etc/default/rcS
[04:56] <jmarsden> I get 55 in a freshly booted Ubuntu Karmic Server VM, so there is something different about udevd action on servers, it would seem
[04:57] <jmarsden> And it seems to be slowly increasing over time... 57 now...
[04:57] <jmarsden> Have you searched Launchpad for relevant bugs?
[04:58] <hackeron> hmm, this looks relevant < https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/463347
[04:59] <hackeron> I'll try to distupgrade - haven't done so in a couple of weeks
[05:00] <jmarsden> It's not clear that fix is in karmic-updates yet, at least not from the bug report... you might have to grab it from karmic-proposed
[05:01] <hackeron> jmarsden: how do I do that?
[05:01] <KismetGFX> does it matter how i partition my stuff with 3 hard drives cant seem to get it to boot. as in /boot /usr /var swap on one drive, root and swap on 2nd, home and swap on 3rd had it workin at one point rebooted and it was borked
[05:01] <jtaji> KismetGFX: sata drives? using /dev/names or UUIDs?
[05:02] <jtaji> in your fstab
[05:02] <jmarsden> KismetGFX: Or, if you have a machine you can experiment with, first try a single drive default install, let the installer partition it for you and see if *that* boots OK?
[05:02] <KismetGFX> jtaji:  one ide two sata i didnt manually specify a /dev
[05:03] <jtaji> KismetGFX: no I mean are your drives listed as, e.g. /dev/sda1 or UUID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?
[05:03] <jmarsden> hackeron: Correcting myself, udev 147~-6.1 is in karmic-updates, so that should take care of your issue.
[05:04] <KismetGFX> jtaji: ya sda1 sdb and sdc each partition tried moving /boot to each drive didnt make any difference huhu
[05:04] <hackeron> jmarsden: ok, trying :) - been bugging me since beta karmic, every 4 hours I get emails from syslog with this udev error - hope this fixes it!
[05:04] <KismetGFX> er sda
[05:04] <jtaji> KismetGFX: problem is sata drives can change order, best thing is to use UUIDs
[05:04] <jtaji> !uuid | KismetGFX
[05:05] <KismetGFX> jtaji: kewl thanx i thought it was a MBR issue i was doing fdisk /mbr's and fixmbr i'll check that out
[05:19] <oh_noes> is it possible to make upstart set tty2 to automatically login instead of displaying a LoginPrompt
[05:20] <oh_noes> ie. run /sbin/sulogin instead of /bin/login
[05:21] <jmarsden> oh_noes: edit /etc/init/tty2.conf to suit your peculiar needs :)
[05:27] <oh_noes> can;t ... im on hardy which is upstart
[05:28] <oh_noes> I'm playing around with it now ...
[05:40] <holiday> Hello, is it possible to configure ssh to use password authentication for a single user, while the others use public key authentication?
[05:41] <jtaji> and the others can't use password?
[05:42] <holiday> yes, the others cant use password
[05:42] <jmarsden> Create keypairs for all the others, passwd -l all the others ... seems weird, but should work??
[05:42] <jtaji> it should
[05:47] <holiday> okay, would you recommend just forcing everyone to use a public key?
[05:48] <holiday> it worked btw thanks
[05:48] <jmarsden> No problem.  Why are you forcing things?  Who is the special person... if he determines your salary, do not force him :)
[05:58] <jmarsden> oh_noes: Did you get the sulogin on tty2 idea to work?
[06:03] <oh_noes> still looking at it now ..
[06:04] <oh_noes> not having any luck, hardy uses upstart so Im modifying /etc/event.d/tty2
[06:05] <oh_noes> exec /sbin/getty -l /sbin/sulogin 38400 tty2
[06:05] <oh_noes> doesnt seem to work which is kinda wierd.  You would expect it to.
[06:05] <jmarsden> Sounds like it should, yes.
[06:10] <jtaji> oh_noes: do you have an /etc/init/tty1.conf ?
[06:10] <jtaji> tty2.conf
[06:11] <jmarsden> jtaji: On Hardy it is all in /etc/event.d/ instead
[06:11] <jtaji> oh ok
[06:14] <oh_noes> i'll pastebin my /etc/event.d/tty2
[06:14] <oh_noes> http://pastebin.com/m6704fcbe
[06:15] <oh_noes> when I go to tty2 ... it still displays /bin/login .... which is weird.
[06:15] <jmarsden> oh_noes: This is after a reboot to make sure you picked up the changes, right?
[06:16] <oh_noes> of course
[06:19] <jmarsden> Could you just exec a program that will output something, instead of getty, there, as a test?  Like top or whatever?  Just thinking out loud, I have not messed with getty and ttys for a very very long time...
[06:22] <oh_noes> yeah same ... im trying all those things now.
[06:25] <oh_noes> naa you cant exec straight into top.   Which kinda makes sense, it's getty job to handle all character displays in/out (I think)
[06:32] <cef> oh_noes: tried passing the standard getty the -l option?
[06:35] <cef> nah ignore that
[06:59] <oh_noes> cef: even with -l it's still displaying a login prompt.
[06:59] <jmarsden> oh_noes: He already said <cef> nah ignore that
[07:00] <cef> btw: -l option of getty runs the program with the 'username' as a command line option afaik
[07:03] <jmarsden> oh_noes: Is the -n option any use to you?  Don't prompt for a login name?
[07:03] <jmarsden> In combination with -l ...
[07:05] <oh_noes> cef: i thought -l was to "use a different login program"
[07:07] <oh_noes> Trying -n -l /sbin/sulogin now
[07:08] <cef> note: if it does, it runs as rooot
[07:08] <cef> err root
[07:10] <jmarsden> oh_noes: For me on Karmic, editing /etc/init/tty2 to do  exec /sbin/getty -8 -n -l /usr/bin/top 38400 tty2     # works
[07:10] <jmarsden> Major security risk, but it works :)
[07:12] <oh_noes> OH NICE, yep -n -l works :D
[07:12] <oh_noes> well -n -l /any/bin works
[07:12] <oh_noes> thanks jmarsden, i knew it was missing a single option
[07:12] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
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[08:05] <jmarsden> |saturn|: Wrong language, unfortunately I can't figure out which one :)  This channel uses English.
[08:06] <jmarsden> !cn
[09:18] <maxagaz> how to reload /etc/fstab once it has been changed ?
[09:18] <Jeeves_> maxagaz: you should mount / unmount stuff
[09:18] <Jeeves_> maxagaz: What did you change?
[09:22] <maxagaz> Jeeves_, I changed the uuid of the swap
[09:33] <Jeeves_> Ah, than you need to run swapoff and swappon
[09:44] <maxagaz> Jeeves_, thanks!
[09:45] <Jeeves_> np
[09:55] <maxagaz> how is set the uuid ?
[09:56] <maxagaz> where is it taken or generated from ?
[10:18] <gamla_kossan> hi people!
[10:19] <gamla_kossan> where can I find a log containing a log for the latest packages installed?
[10:20] <arj> dpkg.log?
[11:34] <ghostlines> anyone know any howto's for installing xen on ubuntu karmic?
[11:36] <jpds> ghostlines: I don't think you can.
[11:37] <jpds> Well, you could technically, but I think support for it was dropped after Hardy for the preference of KVM.
[11:38] <Daviey> it works, but i'd rather pull my eyes out.
[11:43] <ghostlines> lol
[12:01] <gamla_kossan> arj: sweet, tahnks =)
[12:41] <tolbrino> Hi, I'm desperately trying to configure dhcpd to ignore a range of mac addresses without success so far. See http://gist.github.com/252448 .But the dhcpd still gives out IPs to machines with mac addresses starting with "d0:0d". Any hints on what to change in that file? Thanks
[12:54] <sponzor> ok i m installing ubuntu server, but i have problems with partition.. i want to do this.. http://pastebin.com/m8365263 but it is text mode install so i dont really know what to do :P is there any howto for advenced partition?
[13:00] <sponzor> anyone?
[14:00] <ttx> Team meeting on #ubuntu-meeting
[14:05] <smoser> soren, or others interested, i'm looking at bug 494185.
[14:05] <smoser> do you think it is reasonable to
[14:05] <smoser> a.) check if <region>.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com exists
[14:05] <smoser> b.) verify that http appears up on that host
[14:05] <smoser> maybe 'b' isn't necessary
[14:13] <zul> shouldnt it already be doing a?
[14:13] <smoser> it is not doing a right now. it just picks a, not checking the host.
[14:14] <smoser> and is busted (code is pasted into that bug)
[14:15] <zul> ah ok
[14:15] <smoser> ttx, just for the record, i can't do that right? i have to ask an iso team person ?
[14:16] <smoser> zul, above, i was asking about 'b' because if it tried that now and quickly timed out, we'd be ok
[14:16] <ttx> smoser: i can't do that either.
[14:16] <smoser> i know only of slangesek. are there others i can ping?
[14:16] <zul> smoser: ping ara i think
[14:17] <zul> smoser: yeah that would work also a mirror in us-west-1 would work as well
[14:17] <smoser> well right now a mirror in us-west-1 wouldn't fixt he problem.
[14:17] <smoser> because it picks 'us.ec2.archive'
[14:18] <smoser> anyway. i was mainly afraid of "checking" and having that check hang or cause other general mishap
[14:20] <zul> yeah that would have to be done very carefully if that was done
[14:29] <soren> smoser: I've talked to one of the "other cloud providers" about kernels. Everyone offers Ubuntu, but with all sorts of odd kernels. I would like for them to use our kernels so that security updates come from us in a timely manner and everything is just more straightforward. Because they offer lots of other distros and want to use the same kernels everywhere, they compile everything into the kernel to avoid having to shove modules into all their im
[14:29] <soren> smoser: If they were to use our kernels, they would have to follow the same approach: No modules, everything built in.
[14:30] <smoser> 100% "no modules" is not reasonable or possible
[14:31] <illuminai> hello there
[14:31] <smoser> and realistically, i dont think we can promise that our kernels will run everyone elses user space perfectly. i'm certain the kernel team isn't willing to sign up to support that.
[14:31] <smoser> well, i didn't ask them, but..
[14:32] <illuminai> i've a strange problem on my server (ubuntu 9.04, 2.6.28-16-server)
[14:32] <illuminai> after swapping drive /dev/sdb fdisk says: Unable to read /dev/sdb
[14:32] <illuminai> but dmesg |grep SCSI
[14:32] <illuminai> says it is there, [    3.528223] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk
[14:32] <soren> smoser: I'm not suggesting we explicitly volunteer to support everyone's user space.
[14:33] <illuminai> also, i'm using software raid 1
[14:33] <smoser> right, but building everything in just isn't reasonable. there are loads of kernel modules, iirc some dont even allow a 'Y' (that could be false)
[14:33] <illuminai> any clues what could it be?
[14:35] <soren> smoser: I know there's a lot of them. Luckily, only a subset are reasonably needed in a cloud context.
[14:35] <smoser> well, some that are reasonable are not reasonable to build in
[14:35] <smoser> i'm thinking fuse
[14:36] <soren> Why not?
[14:36] <soren> (fuse, specifically)
[14:36] <smoser> i dont know... just sdoesn't seem reasonabl e to me. one thing i would think is not so nice about everything built in is that it then can't be switched out.
[14:37] <smoser> but i coudl be wrong about that too
[14:37] <smoser> ie, i would think that if fuse is built into kernel than i can't service it with a kernel module upgrade
[14:37] <smoser> that may not be that big of a deal
[14:38] <soren> Right, they'd have to upgrade the kernel images for all updates, even the ones that don't break ABI.
[14:39] <smoser> i was thinking even on a lower level, as in a user wants to build a more functional version of a kernel module in their instance
[14:39] <smoser> and use it , and maintain it.
[14:39] <smoser> lots of pepole do that for the ec2 provided kernels (xfs) for example.
[14:56] <soren> smoser: Eh? Why?
[14:57] <smoser> because the amazon kernels a.) dont get serviced frequently b.) dont have enough stuff built in or as modules
[14:58] <smoser> the idea of "build more into the kernel" generally seems perpendicular to where things are going
[14:59] <smoser> things needed for boot i woudl consider a different category than "everything else"
[15:00] <erichammond> For some reason we also needed to build the latest fuse kernel module from source when using the Amazon kernels: http://groups.google.com/group/ec2ubuntu/web/compiling-2-6-21-kernel-modules-from-source-for-amazon-ec2
[15:04] <erichammond> Well, the sun's up, so I'm heading to bed.
[15:05] <RoyK> erichammond: bah - it's 4pm and the sun set an hour ago
[15:06] <erichammond> I just realized I'm wrapping up my 3rd decade programming in January.  That's 30 years.
[15:17] <savid> I'm a bit new to administering ubuntu servers -- I have a production server for a website & database running ubuntu 8.10  Do server admins usually do dist-upgrades on servers, or just keep the current distro as long as possible?
[15:18] <savid> The reason I ask is because I have rkhunter installed, and it is complaining about GPG, OpenSSL, and OpenSSH being outdated
[15:22] <alvin> savid: dist-upgrade will not update the release, only the installed packages. It is pretty safe.
[15:22] <savid> alvin, ok, thanks :)
[15:24] <alvin> savid: $ sudo do-release-upgrade will upgrade to a newer release. In your case, that will be jaunty (9.04) After that, you can run do-release-upgrade again to upgrade to 9.10. There could be issues.
[15:24] <savid> I see.
[15:25] <savid> Well, it looks like it wouldn't matter because even 9.10 has outdated versions of those programs :-P
[15:30] <savid> Would that be a bug in ubuntu, a bug in rkhunter, or neither?
[15:31] <alvin> savid: hardy has Gnupg 1.4.6, karmic has 1.4.9. What version does rkhunter needs?
[15:31] <savid> gpg on my my server is updated to 1.4.9,   not sure what version rkhunter is expecting
[15:33] <savid> looks like I'm not the only one:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560157
[15:33] <alvin> savid: Ubuntu 10.04 will also have gnupg 1.4.9, (this can still change)
[15:34] <alvin> savid: Ah, it's a bug in rkhunter then. If really needed you can ask for an upgraded package (see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages)
[15:41] <smoser> kirkland, ttx can you verify... if=<what> for kvm booted eucalyptus instances ?
[15:41] <smoser> i think its 'scsi'
[15:43] <ttx> smoser: no setup running right now, maybe in a few
[16:41] <ttx> smoser: test(s) in progress
[16:41] <smoser> i dont know how they will run
[16:41] <ttx> + the "i386 bundled without -r, does it run on UEC/i386" test
[16:42] <smoser> jjohansen, bug 494565
[16:42] <TeTeT> what to do when eucalyptus reports 'user admin not found' after just installing it?
[16:42] <smoser> ttx what did that mean, are you asking ?
[16:43] <ttx> smoser: no, I mean: "i will be running that test as well"
[16:44] <smoser> oh. ok.
[16:44] <TeTeT> nevermind, after a five minute wait it's here
[16:44] <smoser> i was thinking that '-r' == '--ramdisk', which i'm wondering about. see bug above.... i couldn't get it to work on "plain kvm" right now.
[16:55] <ttx> smoser: right, the current uec image tarballs do not have ramdisk
[16:55] <smoser> that is true
[16:56] <smoser> and by design
[16:56] <smoser> my question is if they boot
[16:56] <smoser> :)
[16:56] <ttx> hm
[16:56] <ttx> I have to adjust my testing script
[16:56] <smoser> i swear that i tested this, but today couldn't make kvm -ddrive if=scsi work with that kernel
[16:57] <smoser> ttx, you may want to utilize http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-on-ec2/ubuntu-on-ec2/uec-tools/annotate/head%3A/register-uec-tarball
[16:57] <sponzor> i want to do this http://pastebin.com/m8365263 is it posiblle?
[17:04] <ttx> smoser: if=scsi, confirmed
[17:05] <ttx> smoser: I confirm that it does not boot
[17:05] <smoser> bugger
[17:05] <ttx> smoser: i confirm that UEC i386 doesn't seem to mind booting an image marked x86_64
[17:06] <smoser> ttx, can you put that in that bug
[17:06] <ttx> smoser: do you need the euca-get-console-output for this one ?
[17:07] <smoser> ok, first, please comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/494084 that i386 doesn't seem to mind booting an image marked x86_64
[17:07] <ttx> smoser: sure
[17:07] <smoser> second, this really sucks.
[17:08] <smoser> because according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerLucidCloudKernelRamdisk i verified boot of 20091201 on uec
[17:08] <ttx> you want the console output ? Which bug ?
[17:08] <smoser> but 20091201 has since fallen off, so i can't easily confirm or refute my assertion
[17:09] <smoser> we need a new bug for "uec images dont boot". you can but console output there, please.
[17:09] <smoser> jjohansen, ping
[17:13] <ttx> smoser: bug against what package ? "linux" ?
[17:13] <smoser> yeah
[17:13] <smoser> linux-virtual
[17:13] <smoser> fails for both i386 and amd64 ?
[17:14] <ttx> hm, no time left to test /that/
[17:18] <ttx> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/494611
[17:19] <ttx> smoser: sorry I don't have time for more complete tests, just posted what I have
[17:19] <smoser> ttx, thanks. its good enough.
[17:39] <jongbergs> hi, which dns software is reliable and recommended for production use: bind, powerdns, mydns, djbdns, to name just a few..
[17:42]  * ScottK likes unbound
[17:51] <zul> bind
[17:51] <soren> I use bind.
[18:53] <alex88> how can i set the owner of file transferred with samba?
[18:53] <arj> force something
[18:54] <alex88> in which file? sry but i haven't used samba
[18:55] <mneptok> alex88: the Samba config file
[18:55] <alex88> mneptok: there are the samba shares there? and i force with "force create mode = 0770
[18:56] <alex88> ?
[18:56] <mneptok> alex88: unsure. i'm not a Samba user. but i know permissions are forced via the config file. i'm sure there are many examples on the web.
[18:57] <alex88> searching for them
[18:58] <arj> force create user I think
[18:58] <blackxored> hello guys, I need a compressed, incremental, and windows-aware backup solution for setting up an enterprise backup server, I'm taking a look at amanda, after giving up with bacula because of it's complexety, do you think I'm in a good path? If I am, can you point me to some updated documention about setting this up with 8.04.3??
[18:58] <RoyK> alex88: samba has unix extensions enabled by default, so it should work out of the box, given the same UIDs on both sides
[18:59] <RoyK> without identical UIDs, there's no way it'll work
[18:59] <alex88> ok, thank you all..
[19:08] <blackxored> anyone?
[19:08] <blackxored>  hello guys, I need a compressed, incremental, and windows-aware backup solution for setting up an enterprise backup server, I'm taking a look at amanda, after giving up with bacula because of it's complexety, do you think I'm in a good path? If I am, can you point me to some updated documention about setting this up with 8.04.3??
[19:09] <alex88> blackxored: i've also tried bacula and i can agree that's complex..
[19:09] <blackxored> alex88, extremely to my goals
[19:11] <alex88> i'm now using webmin ftp backup..but it's not incremental
[19:11] <blackxored> alex88, you're using something for personal back-ends I assume
[19:12] <blackxored> I need something enteprise-grade, centralized, incremental, compressed, windows smb/<custom soft> backups and the like
[19:12] <blackxored> so I'm now installing amanda
[19:13] <alex88> good luck so.. btw yes, personal, my small vps..
[19:14] <RoyK> blackxored: I'd rather take a look at opensolaris, the later -dev releases with dedup
[19:14] <RoyK> linux can't do that stuff
[19:15] <blackxored> RoyK, hheheh really, don't make me laugh
[19:15] <blackxored> amanda does all that
[19:15] <blackxored> bacula does taht
[19:15] <blackxored> <some other software I haven't even heard off> does that
[19:15] <RoyK> realtime deduplication and compression on disk?
[19:15] <blackxored> and in the end time
[19:15] <blackxored> solaris = unix
[19:15] <blackxored> :P
[19:15] <RoyK> all the while open source and very fast and very secure?
[19:15] <blackxored> is not something martian
[19:16] <arj> but block level dedup is
[19:16] <blackxored> RoyK, don't market solaris here, I was just asking a question
[19:16] <RoyK> opensolaris works with native cifs sharing and ACLs and so on
[19:16] <blackxored> RoyK, be happy to heard that I'd prefer that to windows
[19:16] <blackxored> RoyK, linux too
[19:16] <RoyK> and cifs/smb without samba, that is
[19:16] <RoyK> in-kernel cifs server
[19:16] <arj> wait what?
[19:16] <RoyK> opensolaris rocks, even if you don't like it
[19:17] <RoyK> arj: what what?
[19:17] <arj> in-kernel cifs?
[19:17] <alex88> but this isn't #opensolaris..xD
[19:17] <RoyK> arj: yeah, with full ACL support
[19:17] <RoyK> nfs4 compatible
[19:17] <blackxored> alex88, +1
[19:18] <blackxored> RoyK, see:
 RoyK, don't market solaris here, I was just asking a question
[19:18] <RoyK> alex88: I know, but blackxored asked for stuff not in linux, so I just suggested something else
[19:18] <blackxored> RoyK, I have windows *clients*
[19:18] <RoyK> blackxored: I'm not 'marketing', I'm suggesting something that works
[19:18] <blackxored> that's what I said
[19:18] <alex88> oh, so i haven't seen that request.. i'm sorry..
[19:19] <blackxored> alex88, neither did I, my fingers may have betrayed me :P
[19:19] <alex88> =)
[19:19] <blackxored> smb or custom software for windows clients
[19:19] <blackxored> RoyK, but help is always welcome, I'm not blaming you, but see ^^^^
[19:20] <RoyK> btw, anyone here ever managed to make windows ACLs work with samba? as in changing them?
[19:20] <blackxored> I'm starting a virtualization setup at work, and this is my first step, the backup server
[19:20] <RoyK> that's why I suggested what I did - disk backup with dedup is very nice
[19:21] <blackxored> but my setup = linux hosts <=> linux guests <=> windows clients
[19:22] <RoyK> then either setup an opensolaris guest or even better, install a new box with a bunch of el-cheapo SATA drives with opensolaris and raidz2 for backup
[19:22] <RoyK> no hardware raid - just raidz(2)
[19:22] <RoyK> and dedup and compression
[19:23] <RoyK> raidz is WAY safer and faster than 'hardware raid'
[19:23] <blackxored> RoyK, linux user and developer, sorry I won't consider anything besides linux, probably only netbsd for the firewall
[19:23] <RoyK> same idea as BTRFS, except BTRFS isn't stable
[19:23] <RoyK> blackxored: heh - as you like - I was a sceptic myself too before I dug into it
[19:24] <Aison> is there some documentation of to configure pppoe? in my case, I would like to setup 3 pppoe connections  on the same machine
[19:25] <blackxored> RoyK, also if we're going to market, I'm debian/ubuntu developer so I'm practically stuck to those distros for principles hehehehhehe
[19:26] <Aison> I already found this documentation, but I dont know if this pppoeconf let me setup 3 distinct connections
[19:26] <Aison> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[19:27] <RoyK> blackxored: I don't think people will hate you if you use something else for the backup solution
[19:27] <RoyK> blackxored: that is, unless you want to rely on btrfs, which doesn't have dedup and whose structure is still not fixed
[19:28] <blackxored> RoyK, finished installing, tweaking it, thank you
[19:39] <jumbers> Hi, I'm having a frequent problem on my server which is becoming quite an issue. Soon after rebooting, my server will halt without warning. I've checked my logs, but I don't see anything in them that would cause this
[19:40] <jumbers> Does anybody have a suggestion as to what could be wrong here?
[19:55] <Sam-I-Am> jumbers: halt as in lock up or shutdown cleanly?
[19:57] <jumbers> As I don't have physical access to the datacenter, I do not know. I assume a lock up because the logs just show normal messages and then silence in the log until the next time it boots up
[19:58] <jumbers> Sam-I-Am: It almost feels like a RAM problem because it only happens very soon after boot, which I would think is when the most memory would be getting allocated
[19:59] <Sam-I-Am> if it just locks up its a hardware problem
[19:59] <Sam-I-Am> kernel issues will generally throw out a bunch of panic info
[20:00] <jumbers> The only kernel messages I see are say 10 minutes after the problem, at the next boot. And they're just normal kernel boot messages
[20:01] <jumbers> Would a faulty RAM stick make the most sense here? Like I said, it only happens soon after a reboot, which I try to only do when a kernel update is released
[20:01] <Sam-I-Am> who knows
[20:01] <Sam-I-Am> could be anything
[20:02] <Sam-I-Am> bad ram is usually a good first shot for testing
[20:02] <Sam-I-Am> try memtest86
[20:02] <Sam-I-Am> download it, boot from it, let it run
[20:02] <jumbers> Again, no physical access to the machine :-/
[20:04] <jumbers> I guess what I'll do is put in a support ticket and explain that this has become a recurring problem and that I think the RAM may be faulty
[20:04] <neonfreon> kernel issues can also cause lockups
[20:04] <neonfreon> fyi ;)
[20:05] <jumbers> I remember this same sort of problem I had once on a Windows machine. Whenever I would play a certain game that used a lot of RAM, I'd be playing and then suddenly the thing would BSOD and die. Turned out the stick was faulty
[20:05] <neonfreon> what changed when it started happening
[20:05] <jumbers> It's been 2 months, I'm honestly not sure
[20:05] <jumbers> A kernel issue wouldn't spit out any sort of message before dying?
[20:05] <neonfreon> not necessarily no
[20:06] <Sam-I-Am> neonfreon: i think they're rare these days
[20:07] <Sam-I-Am> i havent had a linux machine lock solid due to a kernel problem in years
[20:07] <Sam-I-Am> and when they have, i've gotten kernel spew
[20:07] <neonfreon> perhaps you haven't been trying enough kernels! =)
[20:08] <Sam-I-Am> neonfreon: yeeeah...
[20:08] <jumbers> I just use the ones released via the repos :p
[20:08] <Sam-I-Am> i havent run bleeding edge stuff in a long time
[20:08] <Sam-I-Am> nor on bleeding edge hardware
[20:08] <neonfreon> ah
[20:36] <jumbers> I guess we shall see if they can find a hardware problem
[20:51] <AndyGraybeal>  /part
[21:15] <jiboumans> ScottK: regarding server-lucid-more-mail-integration, I agree with ttx's review. For clarity I've added that to the blueprint.
[21:16] <ScottK> jiboumans: That's fine, I just want to get it marked approved so I don't get caught up in feature approval deadline issues.
[21:16]  * ScottK will fix it or convince ivoks to do it.
[21:16] <jiboumans> scottk: you're fine in that regard, although both me and ttx would love to see how we can avoid the pain from the issues we saw
[21:17] <ScottK> OK.
[21:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:18] <jiboumans> no problem; sorry for not being clearer on that point earlier. i asked ttx to take a look and add the review as soon as you requested it, but i failed to let you know that.
[21:18] <ScottK> jiboumans: He did give me some feedback, I've just been slammed with $WORK.
[21:18] <jiboumans> scottk: i feel your pain :)
[21:19]  * ScottK has been wanting to do this since Intrepid, so I think I've got it worked out how, even if I didn't explain it very well in the spec.
[22:01] <unit3> heh, was just about going to ask about exim4 hubbed_hosts behaviour because it wasn't working, and then saw a big typo. whoops.
[22:02] <unit3> Works fine now!
[22:03] <sponzor> will this work? http://pastebin.com/m8365263
[22:04] <Sam-I-Am> anything works, it whether or not it works in your situation :)
[22:04] <unit3> Not gonna do the math, but if those disk sizes add up, it should be fine.
[22:04] <Sam-I-Am> which from a random pastebin, we cannot tell
[22:04] <unit3> Just make the partitions the sizes you want, add then to the raid devices.
[22:05] <sponzor> ok i will give it a try :P
[22:21] <slide> How do I see what the current dns lookup ip is?
[22:23] <unit3> errr... do you mean "how do you see what name servers your computer is currently using to do dns lookups"?
[22:24] <unit3> that'll be in /etc/resolv.conf.
[22:25] <slide> is there anyway to refresh it?
[22:26] <unit3> err, it's a live file. the values in there are the values the system uses.
[22:26] <unit3> I'm not sure what you mean.
[22:27] <slide> ok i guess is there anyway to update that file based off a dhcp server but still use a static ip?
[22:29] <unit3> maybe... I'm unsure why you'd want to do such a thing, though. If your IP is static, then certainly your DNS servers are static.
[22:30] <slide> well, i move this server between my home in tx and la, and since they both use 192.168.1.x ips i just set its ip to be .99 so that i can always access it the same way
[22:33] <unit3> ahhh... well, it might be easier to just give it a static IP via the DHCP server at each location, and then just use DHCP as normal.
[22:34] <slide> one of the routers doesnt have the ability to assign static ips based on the mac =\
[22:34] <unit3> oh...
[22:35] <unit3> well, the other thing you could do is use Google's public DNS servers, <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>.
[22:35] <unit3> Those'll work everywhere.
[22:35] <unit3> and then you can leave it with a static IP.
[22:35] <slide> hrm true, let me see
[22:37] <slide> i know my isp here blocks outside mail servers, it may do the same with dns
[22:37] <unit3> shouldn't do, since there's no spam related problems to using external dns.
[22:37] <unit3> but try it.
[22:37] <unit3> you can do something like "dig yahoo.ca @<IP_ADDRESS>"
[22:37] <unit3> and see if it works. ;)
[22:38] <slide> worked
[22:38] <slide> cool thanks
[22:40] <slide> awesome now my downloads are going at 1.2MB/s haha
[22:40] <unit3> heheh there you go.
[22:42] <sponzor> is there any faster way to delite all partitions in installation? becose one by one is long... :P
[22:43] <sponzor> erasing data on... it takes ages and i have like 20 partitions to modify.. :/ i will be deliting this like 10  days :P
[22:44] <ruben23> hi any simple but reliable backup system for enterprise setup..
[22:46] <unit3> sponzor: in the installer, if you select the disk it should ask you if you want to remove all partitions.
[22:46] <unit3> I believe. I can't remember exactly.
[22:46] <unit3> but there's an option for sure.
[22:46] <KismetGFX> ya that works
[22:46] <sponzor> ok i will check it
[22:49] <sponzor> ok i did it.. tnx
[22:50] <unit3> np
[22:51] <KismetGFX> only reason i was able to verify that is coz i've reinstalled/repartioned ubuntu over 20 times it seems past 4 days str8 lol still no success
[22:52] <unit3> heh
[22:52] <KismetGFX> windows sadly installs just fine. i've ran fixmbr install looks successful boot up and i get non-system disk or disk error replace and strike any key when ready as if theres no OS installed
[22:52] <KismetGFX> when booting from the 9.10 cd and executing the shell after a complete install, i can see my install in /target
[22:54] <Aison> I installed snmpd on 3 ubuntu servers
[22:54] <Aison> all are using the same snmpd.conf
[22:54] <Aison> but I can do snmpwalk only on one
[22:54] <Aison> im really confused what's wrong :(
[22:56] <unit3> hard to say without seeing your snmpd.conf.
[22:56] <Aison> I only enabled com2sec readonly  default         public
[22:57] <Aison> besides that, i didnt change anything
[22:57] <Aison> ah yes, snmpwalk on the host itself works on all machines
[22:57] <Aison> just over network it isn't
[22:59] <KismetGFX> i think i've ran fdisk/mbr, fixmbr and reinstalled lilo and grub so many times it is so hosed up can't figure it out :|
[23:00] <KismetGFX> cant tell if grub or lilo is loaded no trace of either on startup
[23:18] <sponzor> when the installation ask me how many active devices for the raid array? i have 5 disks so i should put there  4? or 3? or 5? :P
[23:19] <unit3> uhhh... however many you want active, so probably 5?
[23:22] <sponzor> so the installation will configure raid 5? that 5 disks are active and one is for failsafe?
[23:23] <DrUnKnMuNkY> i'm running apache 2.2.8 on ubuntu 8.04 and apache won't shut down cleanly anymore (apache2ctl, init.d, killall). i need to do a "killall -KILL" to stop it. nothing in error.log. any ideas?
[23:24] <sponzor> uh i understand now.. is this it.. 5 disks are active and if one failes you have to change it by your self. and if you put there 4 and one dies the spare disk then become the active one?
[23:25] <unit3> if we're talking raid5, then yes, that's what'll happen.
[23:26] <sponzor> ok i was a little confused with the part active.. tnx
[23:29] <KismetGFX> super grub is truly super found out i have a mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2
[23:31] <Aison> how can I setup network device with NO ip, subnetmask ,etc.. aplied? just a NULL device
[23:32] <Aison> of course in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:34] <unit3> you use the "manual" interface method, instead of dhcp or static or whatever.
[23:34] <Aison> ok :)))
[23:39] <czajkowski> kirkland: thanks for making your testdrive much easier to follow and test :)
[23:44] <kirkland> czajkowski: thanks


[10:42] <SmokingFire> jedix: they are?
[10:43] <jedix> I think so
[10:43] <WW_> If I give the command "wget url-here" from a command line, where will the downloaded file be put?  In the current directory?
[10:43] <jedix> WW_, yes
[10:43] <SmokingFire> could not harm to install it anyway. Its ubuntu supported
[10:44] <WW_> jedix: Argh, that's not what I wanted to hear.
[10:44] <SmokingFire> I thought it was in /home
[10:44] <theantix> SmokingFire: http://www.nongnu.org/straw/
[10:44] <martink> jedix: nah, on GNU/Linux (ahem) libc6 == glibc2.x, maybe you mean libc and glib
[10:44] <SmokingFire> theantix: thanks
[10:44] <jedix> oh, ok martink
[10:45] <jedix> but I have to have libc6 installed, right?
[10:45] <SmokingFire> yes and also the optimized version libc6-i686
[10:46] <martink> jedix: without libc6, almost nothing works. If you look at dpkg -p libc6, you see that it's built from glibc 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu?
[10:46] <WW_> I used wget to download an ISO, but after download finished, it printed this:
[10:46] <WW_> utime(warty-live-20041015-20.iso): No such file or directory
[10:46] <SmokingFire> jedix: I think its already installed otherwise gnome would not work.
[10:46] <asdf_> how do i get dpkg-reconfigure to ask me about my monitor?
[10:46] <SmokingFire> WW_: have you looked in your home?
[10:46] <WW_> SmokingFire: Yup, but it's not there.
[10:47] <SmokingFire> WW_: then Computer--> search for files
[10:47] <WW_> I didn't use sudo to run wget. Would that matter?
[10:47] <jedix> yeah, I need a new versuon of glib
[10:47] <mirak_> anyone knopw how to make the icons smaller????
[10:47] <jedix> 2.1 instead of 2.0
[10:47] <SmokingFire> jedix: its for doom right?
[10:47] <mirak_> desktop icons, like folder icaons???
[10:48] <jedix> SmokingFire, yes
[10:48] <jedix> SmokingFire, on amd64
[10:48] <WW_> SmokingFire: No files found
[10:48] <toyowheelin> jedix, im still downloading doom3 demo
[10:48] <jedix> honestly, I am seriously thinking of going back to 32bit debian.
[10:48] <WW_> lamont, are you around?
[10:49] <SmokingFire> jedix: look for libglib in synaptic, however no version 2.1
[10:49] <jedix> yeah, I know :/
[10:50] <toyowheelin> yea jedixthere isnt a linux 64bit flash player out yet ether or at least one I could find
[10:50] <rublind> Uh, didn't work.
[10:50] <jedix> toyowheelin, yeah? that sucks.
[10:50] <jedix> but glib is at like version 2.3
[10:51] <asdf_> why isnt dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low xserver-xfree86 asking about my monitor
[10:51] <mirak_> anyone know of a ubuntu aim icon.......one that displays on you chat window, not a gaim app icon
[10:51] <rublind> ploum it didn't work
[10:52] <toyowheelin> mirak_, make one in gimp
[10:53] <SmokingFire> jedix: you should not look at the version of the name of the package but in the installed version collumn
[10:53] <mirak_> toyowheelin: hmmm......what a good idea
[10:53] <mirak_> totyowheelin, havent used gimp yet, good reason to try it out
[10:54] <toyowheelin> lol yeah
[10:54] <ploum> rublind, F***
[10:54] <ploum> so I cannot help you anymore
[10:54] <phin> just use 32bit with 64bit
[10:54] <phin> use 64bit for what you can
[10:54] <phin> and 32bit for shit thats not avail yet
[10:54] <rublind> Okay.
[10:54] <rublind> Thanks anyways.
[10:55] <rublind> Anyone else know how sound cards work in ubuntu?
[10:55] <asdf_> why isnt dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low xserver-xfree86 asking about my monitor
[10:56] <toyowheelin> rublind, I was having problems with mine too thats partially why I switched to KDE cuz it has a better sound config
[10:56] <christophe> After a fresh install postfix is not happy, in syslog I see: localhost postfix/local[13596] : fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory
[10:57] <lamont> christophe: yeah.  as root run newaliases.
[10:57] <chowells> christophe: try newaliases
[10:57] <WW_> Does anyone know what it means when wget says:
[10:57] <lamont> fixed already
[10:57] <rublind> toyowheelin, I don't like KDE
[10:57] <WW_> utime(warty-live-20041015-20.iso): No such file or directory
[10:57] <toyowheelin> rublind, ok
[10:57] <WW_> after supposedly downloading a file?
[10:57] <rublind> There's got to be a way in gnome.
[10:57] <toyowheelin> have fun
[10:57] <toyowheelin> lol
[10:58] <christophe> thanks both of you
[10:58] <WW_> Hey lamont, I think something went wrong with my download of the live CD.
[10:58] <christophe> is there a place on the web for such problems
[10:58] <christophe> like a faq
[10:58] <lamont> WW_: sigh
[10:58] <lamont> I'm hoping to build another one in the near future with better artwork, etc.
[10:59] <jedix> toyowheelin, how's the download going?
[10:59] <toyowheelin> its slow
[10:59] <toyowheelin> 48%
[11:00] <WW_> lamont: All I did was run wget with the URL as the only argument.  It proceeded to download the file, but after it finished, I got the message shown above.
[11:00] <chowells> lamont: i did mention this to daniel stone, but just fyi the live cd wouldn't work on my laptop which has an external USB DVD drive since it expects an atapi device under /dev/hd[a-z] [0-9] , and couldn't mount the root file system
[11:00] <toyowheelin> its going at 50KB/s :(
[11:00] <WW_> lamont: Does wget have to be run with sudo?
[11:00] <lamont> chowells: ouch
[11:00] <lamont> WW_: no.
[11:01] <lamont> not sure what happened to you - does the file exist on your machine?
[11:01] <toyowheelin> WW_, it depends on the folder you are in when you execute it cuz it downloads to the pwd
[11:01] <jedix> toyowheelin, how much longer?  I can send it but it will only be going 40kb/s
[11:02] <toyowheelin> jedix, its downloading 10KB/s faster than you can send it
[11:02] <jedix> yeah :/
[11:02] <jedix> stupid upload restriction
[11:02] <WW_> I ran wget from my home directory.
[11:02] <toyowheelin> lol
[11:02] <jedix> I can try.. but I think that's the limit.
[11:03] <jedix> it's 7.5mbs anyways.. should take 30mins?
[11:03] <toyowheelin> jedix, thats ok it will finish in 30min
[11:03] <asdf_> why isnt dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low xserver-xfree86 asking about my monitor
[11:03] <jedix> hehe
[11:03] <jedix> cool.
[11:03] <jedix> asdf_, stop saying that.
[11:03] <asdf_> no
[11:03] <asdf_> why isnt dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low xserver-xfree86 asking about my monitor
[11:03] <WW_> I think that "utime(...iso): No such file or directory" message is a clue, but I don't know what it means.
[11:04] <asdf_> i was told the linux community is a friendly helpful place
[11:04] <asdf_> but nobody will help me
[11:04] <toyowheelin> asdf_, because anything to do with the xserver messes with your monitor and vid card and stuff
[11:04] <jedix> asdf_, as long as you are
[11:04] <toyowheelin> DEAL WITH IT
[11:04] <asdf_> i dont understand toyowheelin
[11:04] <jedix> asdf_, what is wrong with it?
[11:05] <asdf_> i want to change my monitor settings and it wont let me
[11:05] <asdf_> it doesnt ask about it anymore
[11:05] <asdf_> it stopped asking
[11:05] <jedix> asdf_, what do you want to change them to?
[11:06] <netdur> why mount partitions in /media instead of /mnt ?
[11:06] <asdf_> i want to change the resolutions and frequency range
[11:06] <asdf_> i think you can get it to let you pick from a list of monitors
[11:06] <jedix> asdf_, you could always edit the file by hand
[11:06] <asdf_> id like that
[11:06] <baHam> http://img92.exs.cx/img92/7311/Screenshot-7.jpg
[11:06] <asdf_> i want to fix dpkg-reconfigure though
[11:06] <SmokingFire> netdur: to annoy you
[11:07] <netdur> lol
[11:07] <asdf_> linux is confusing
[11:07] <SmokingFire> ubuntu means humanity in some langs but in greek it means to piss off.
[11:07] <WW_> Any programmers here familiar with how wget works?
[11:07] <netdur> nothing logic then...
[11:07] <asdf_> theres like a million config files
[11:07] <toyowheelin> lol netdurI was wondering the same thing for a long time
[11:07] <asdf_> and they all use a different format
[11:07] <Despair> asdf_: you could try `mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 XF86Config-4.old` and see if dpkg --reconfigure works then
[11:08] <asdf_> and they all have 20 gui interfaces to configure them
[11:08] <Despair> (if not, move it back)
[11:08] <SmokingFire> asdf_: you should use gconf then
[11:08] <asdf_> i tried that as well
[11:08] <asdf_> you can configure X with gconf?
[11:08] <SmokingFire> not that I know but many other things
[11:08] <jmweirick> i need some help setting up DHCP
[11:09] <asdf_> does anyone know how to reset values stored in the debconf database to their default values
[11:09] <jmweirick> i have a cable internet connection but it is hooked to my computer using an ethernet to USB adapter by SMC
[11:10] <jmweirick> most distros detect it automagically but some have trouble
[11:10] <netdur> maybe /media for removeable media and /mnt for partitions!!!
[11:10] <SmokingFire> jmweirick: did it find the adpater?
[11:10] <jmweirick> i don't think so, it always comes up as eth0 in the distros that detect it
[11:11] <asdf_> i think im gonna go back to windows xp
[11:11] <asdf_> it seems to be more stable and easier to use than linux
[11:11] <jrydberg_> I'm having trouble loopback-mounting an ISO-file.  mount says "Not a directory".  Anyone seen this before?
[11:11] <asdf_> and less buggy in general
[11:11] <SmokingFire> jmweirick: click on Computer --> System Conf --> Networking
[11:11] <llpamies> How can I run scripts in /bin/sh shell ??
[11:11] <llpamies> How can I instakll SH shell ?
[11:12] <SmokingFire> jrydberg_: I think ubuntu doesn't install the loop device by default
[11:12] <mirak_> i have a quick question......how can i get documents of of the phlak live cd??????
[11:12] <phin> what do you mean?
[11:12] <phin> llpamies: explain
[11:12] <jmweirick> SmokingFire: right now i'm in windows 98
[11:12] <SmokingFire> jrydberg_: google for installing loop device
[11:12] <jrydberg_> SmokingFire: I've loaded the module.
[11:13] <SmokingFire> jrydberg_: I did it once and its pretty easy
[11:13] <llpamies> I'mk trying to run a script with   #!/bin/sh
[11:13] <llpamies>   in the top
[11:13] <SmokingFire> sh <thescript>
[11:13] <llpamies> and I obtain this error :   bash: ./setup.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: S'ha denegat el perms
[11:13] <llpamies> SmokingFire: thanks
[11:14] <solsTiCe> i was trying to compile a soft but  can't even start because during the configure i got that configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:15] <doko> solsTiCe: do you have the package 'g++' installed?
[11:15] <joem> install the build-essential solsTiCe
[11:15] <solsTiCe> ok
[11:15] <jsc> anyone know why a vncserver wont connect using port forwarding via ssh on ubuntu?
[11:16] <rublind> How do you add a directory to path?
[11:16] <jmweirick> just discovered that SMC makes a driver for linux
[11:17] <chowells> rublind: export PATH=/foo:$PATH ?
[11:17] <rublind> I don't know... I'll try it.
[11:17] <jmweirick> I might be back if it doesn't work.
[11:17] <solsTiCe> joem: what is that package ? build-essential
[11:17] <rublind> Okay, do I have to do that every time?
[11:18] <jsc> get a "channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" when trying the vncviewer
[11:18] <joem> solsTiCe, build essentials :)
[11:18] <joem> read the description for it
[11:21] <guptan> can somebody help me with Live CD of ubuntu
[11:21] <netdur> it's funny, after upgrade from pr to rc... ubuntu doesn't shut down pc, it's stick on "power down"
[11:22] <mirak_> netdur, will it reboot for you???
[11:22] <netdur> no problem about reboot
[11:22] <SmokingFire> bugs and I agree, I had crashes with ff
[11:22] <SmokingFire> now ff is stable again
[11:23] <mirak_> netdur, hmm..wonder if i have theat problem, havent tried to shutdown....my comp is always on
[11:23] <guptan> I never had a problem with ff in any version from .90
[11:23] <toyowheelin> 65%
[11:23] <guptan> pr was stunning
[11:23] <SmokingFire> but crashy
[11:23] <toyowheelin> you know I dont really know why I am downloading this
[11:23] <toyowheelin> lol
[11:24] <SmokingFire> I will be more content if they add session managment and undock a tab into a new window
[11:24] <guptan> SmokingFire, can you help me with Live CD edition of ubuntu
[11:24] <SmokingFire> guptan: will try, but noob
[11:25] <guptan> SmokingFire, after I setup my eth0 manually, I can't start any programs.
[11:25] <SmokingFire> weird
[11:25] <SmokingFire> what happens if you try to do?
[11:25] <guptan> so I used to launch programs first then, set up network.
[11:26] <guptan> SmokingFire, no response from the system.
[11:26] <guptan> I really want to recommend ubuntu to one of my friend, but I'm afraid about its Live CD.
[11:26] <SmokingFire> system load must be high by the eth0
[11:26] <SmokingFire> can you launch programs from the console?
[11:27] <guptan> Now I'm using Live CD, but these programs I started even before configuring eth0
[11:27] <guptan> no not even console
[11:27] <guptan> whatever u have before u can work with it :)
[11:27] <SmokingFire> ok, next time could add the sysmonitor applet?
[11:27] <guptan> I haven't changed default hostname too
[11:28] <SmokingFire> this way you can see the system load and network load
[11:28] <SmokingFire> maybe someone is ddos'ing you and takes all network/cpu time
[11:28] <SmokingFire> I get that when I open a hole in my nat firewall, traffic goes way up.
[11:29] <SmokingFire> unsolicited traffic btw
[11:29] <guptan> SmokingFire, I tried to add sysmonitor now, it ended up in some panel error
[11:30] <SmokingFire> ok and also add the network traffic applet btw, thats how I found out.
[11:30] <Bliksem> how can i restore gnome defaults?
[11:30] <Bliksem> I mean menu and panel defaults
[11:31] <SmokingFire> Bliksem: think you must to it manually
[11:31] <Bliksem> I removed the default on along the top, i didnt like it, so im now repopulating a custom one, in the gnome menu there is no "desktop" menu that used to be there
[11:32] <Bliksem> its the menu that allows changing themes, remote desktop etc
[11:32] <toyowheelin> jedix, 71%
[11:33] <Bliksem> anyone knwo the menu i mean?
[11:33] <SmokingFire> guptan: I think I found a workarround
[11:33] <Bliksem> and how to get it back?
[11:33] <guptan> SmokingFire, share with me
[11:33] <SmokingFire> guptan: join me in #flood
[11:33] <guptan> SmokingFire, I'm there
[11:34] <SmokingFire> ok one sec
[11:34] <solsTiCe> yo i made my first deb package ! but the exe seg fault gasp
[11:34] <SmokingFire> Bliksem: add applet to panel "menu bar"
[11:35] <joem> Bliksem, thats because it has been split out of the default menu
[11:35] <joem> so you won't get that one unless you install the menu bar with computer etc..
[11:37] <SmokingFire> guptan: so it seems a host/domain name issue
[11:37] <guptan> hmm
[11:38] <joem> by install I mean add to panel
[11:38] <SmokingFire> guptan: here is another usenet thread http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=3bcaab1b%240%2412227%244d4efb8e%40news.be.uu.net&rnum=10&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Deth0%2520launch%2520applications%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg
[11:38] <Bliksem> thanks SmokingFire
[11:39] <SmokingFire> Bliksem: Main menu is for applications and menu bar is for computer
[11:40] <chowells> is there any special way to compile a new kernel under ubuntu? I want 2.6.9-rc4 for the ACPI patches, just wondering how to make a  package or something
[11:45] <Dekkard> interesting
[11:46] <Se7h> how can u build a directory into a deb package ?
[11:47] <djempak> Se7h, ?
[11:47] <djempak> chowells, it's probably the same way you build a kernel package in Debian... but I wouldn't be the one to ask
[11:47] <jedix> toyowheelin, how's it going?
[11:48] <toyowheelin> 81%
[11:49] <Se7h> djempak uh?
[11:49] <chowells> djempak: yeah I guess so. I haven't used Linux for over a year FreeBSD user but apparently ACPI supports my laptop perfectly with the latest patches), but I always remember having initrd problems with compiling a kernel from kernel.org under Debian
[11:49] <Se7h> what about dh ?
[11:50] <mirak_> just buy a pc laptop now................get ps3 in a bit
[11:50] <chowells>  don't get an ibook, no linux drivers for the shitty wifi :)
[11:50] <djempak> chowells, ah
[11:50] <chowells> djempak: only one way to find out I guess :)
[11:50] <mirak_> i really like the old black powerbooks
[11:50] <djempak> chowells, it was make-kpkg, right?
[11:51] <toyowheelin> chowells, get a pcmcia card
[11:51] <Se7h> dh_builddeb: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory
[11:51] <djempak> (I've been on FreeBSD for a while also ;))
[11:51] <Se7h> this is what i mean
[11:51] <Mithrandir> baHam: get an x40. :)
[11:51] <chowells> toyowheelin: Ibook's don't have PCMCIA slots
[11:51] <toyowheelin> HAHAHAHAHA
[11:51] <joem> airport extreem slots aren't pcmcia
[11:51] <toyowheelin> thats lame
[11:51] <chowells> I have an Asus S5643N which is superior to an X40 IMO
[11:51] <mirak_> freeBSD= better or worse than linux for a newb????
[11:51] <Se7h> worst
[11:51] <Se7h> OF
[11:51] <chowells> Riddell: hehe
[11:52] <chowells> Riddell: so how do I get rid of GNOME and install KDE? ;)
[11:52] <Se7h> chowells synamptic
[11:52] <djempak> mirak_, it depends, it's easy to install, and there's a ton of documentation
[11:52] <Se7h> chowells synaptic
[11:52] <toyowheelin> lol chowells now your talking
[11:52] <mirak_> chowells, DONT DO IT!!!!!!
[11:52] <djempak> some people just don't read the documentation ;)
[11:52] <solsTiCe> syslog was filled with error from postfix because /etc/aliases.db doesn't exist. So why do I have to create manually /etc/aliases.db ?
[11:52] <Se7h> LOL
[11:52] <Se7h> ;P
[11:52] <Riddell> chowells: "deb http://geeksoc.org/~jr/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[11:53] <chowells> toyowheelin: well, iBooks are meant for stupid computer users really, PowerBooks have PCMCIA
[11:53] <chowells> Riddell: heh
[11:53] <baHam> ubuntu UNSTABLE exists ??
[11:53] <Riddell> chowells: that gets you 3.3 libs and base, you'll have to live with 3.2 everything else for now
[11:53] <chowells> ok
[11:53] <mirak_> djempak, thnx. ubuntu seems realy driendly to me, but maybe when the lappy gets here...ill give bsd a shot
[11:53] <baHam> Riddell, is there xorg and stuff on unstable ?
[11:53] <chowells> I will compile CVS HEAD KDE ASAP anyway
[11:53] <mirak_> friendly*
[11:53] <lamont> solsTiCe: because the RC doesn't have base-config_2.44ubuntu27
[11:53] <lamont> see bug #1123
[11:53] <lamont> (fixed)
[11:53] <ThreeDayMonk> chowells: powerbook 12" doesn't have pcmcia either.  It's not there because they are small
[11:54] <solsTiCe> i was looknig for a possible bug .
[11:54] <toyowheelin> chowells, so you are installing ubuntu on an ibook?
[11:54] <chowells> ThreeDayMonk: hmm ok. Strange when 12" PC laptops have PCMCIA
[11:54] <ThreeDayMonk> well, it could be fitted into a 14", but it just reuses the 12" parts (check a disassembled one - it's mostly space)
[11:54] <Riddell> baHam: that archive only has my KDE .debs in it
[11:54] <Riddell> baHam: there is no ubuntu unstable
[11:54] <chowells> toyowheelin: no. I have an iBook but I'm selling it, I have a PC laptop now
[11:54] <toyowheelin> oh
[11:54] <baHam> so which one would be the best ;_;
[11:54] <joem>  pcmcia slots aren't there because airport extreem cards aren't pcmcia like airport cards were
[11:54] <baHam> ibook or powerbook ?
[11:54] <baHam> ;_;
[11:54] <ThreeDayMonk> chowells: not really - it has an optical drive, and an internal slot for airport that takes a certain amount of space
[11:54] <mirak_> chowels, what kinda ibook???
[11:55] <solsTiCe> lamont: funny i cliked on your bug # and arrived at mozilla;org I use chatzilla
[11:55] <lamont> you'll want bugzilla.ubuntu.com...
[11:55] <chowells> ThreeDayMonk: that's true. the X40 and my Asus 12" laptop don't have optical drives... but do have PCMCIA
[11:55] <ThreeDayMonk> joem: is airport really pcmcia?  It's the same connector, I know, but...
[11:55] <solsTiCe> lamont: yes yes
[11:55] <chowells> mirak_: 800MHz G4, 256MB RAM, bluetooth, 40GB hard disk
[11:56] <chowells> Airport Extreme is a propreitary mini-PCI style interface
[11:56] <joem> well, airport slots could use pcmcia cards, airport extreem can't
[11:57] <baHam> Hey
[11:57] <rublind> Someone please help me get my sound to work!
[11:57] <baHam> so what.. ibook ?
[11:57] <baHam> rublind, which soundcard
[11:57] <mirak_> rublind, still no sound????
[11:57] <rublind> Creative Labs Audigy
[11:57] <rublind> Still.
[11:57] <ThreeDayMonk> I have a harder sound problem
[11:57] <rublind> Let's go with my easier problem first. ;-)
[11:58] <ThreeDayMonk> I have working sound, but want to get my headset working too - it's USB
[11:58] <baHam> ThreeDayMonk, like?
[11:58] <rublind> baHam, you think you could help?
[11:58] <rublind> Or is it a lost cause?
[11:58] <baHam> rublind, creative is ultrasupported
[11:58] <baHam> rublind, rtfm :|
[11:58] <rublind> Meaning?
[11:58] <rublind> rtfm?
[11:58] <ThreeDayMonk> actually, it's a Griffin iMic, and it's a standard USB profile so shouldn't need any specific drivers (beyond generic usb audio)
[11:59] <joem> rublind, http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[11:59] <joem> read it twice if needed
[11:59] <rublind> Okay.
[11:59] <rublind> Meany.


[10:50] <dupondje> Screensaver seems to have issues in gnome-shell
[10:51] <dupondje> it gives a Could not connect to gdm display manager (using lightdm)
[10:51] <dupondje> and no login screen anymore after screensaver
[11:12] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1047796
[11:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047796 in gnome-shell "User locking & switching broken on quantal" [Undecided,New]
[11:12] <dupondje> fyi
[17:17] <jbicha> dupondje: yeah, that's a known issue bug 1042907 basically you'll have to use gdm if you want screen lock to actually lock
[17:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1042907 in lightdm "LightDM doesn't handle Lock Screen or Switch Session for GNOME Shell 3.5" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042907
[18:52] <dupondje> thx jbicha
[18:52] <dupondje> quite annoying imo :) but ok
[19:08] <dupondje> jbicha: seems like a quite big issue to solve (just read the gnome bug)
[19:19] <jbicha> dupondje: you should have seen it before the patch, you could lock the screen but couldn't unlock it if you weren't running gdm :(
[19:21] <dupondje> thats not very cool indeed :s
[19:22] <dupondje> gnome-shell got some nice improvements since last update in quantal
[19:22] <dupondje> to bad such features break then :s


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 do we ship an IRC client by default currently?
 Yes, quassel.
 ok i'll update the global request bug from hell
 Which bug is that?
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hexchat/+bug/1831220
[20:40] <Eickmeyer> Should we think about upgrading Calamares in the repo to fix these install errors? We have less than a week until Beta freeze.
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> Actually, it's very possible the issue has to do with automount. https://invent.kde.org/neon/extras/calamares/-/commit/a87552adab9e6fb03e71e967ccac3a268903ae14


[00:12] <elky> not much stopping this one :-/
[00:12] <Unit193> Set -r for ~30
[00:12] <Unit193> +r
[22:47] <Unit193> jose: Would it be too much to ask you to set meetingology reply.whenNotCommand False  ?