[14:48] <Armo> Hi all. I am trying to remap some keys using xmodmap, but they keep going back to their previous function after I reboot the computer. How can I solve that?
[14:49] <llutz> Armo: make your changes in ~/.Xmodmap
[14:49] <SM411> Hello! Anyone bother giving me some help on getting Wlan drivers work on my laptop? I have been googling for a while, but I have got stuck.
[14:50] <Armo> llutz, This is a file?
[14:50] <llutz> Armo: yes, if its not existing, create it
[14:51] <Armo> llutz, Thank you.
[14:52] <Armo> llutz, What should I do after that?
[14:53] <netameta__> AAAAAH!!
[14:53] <llutz> Armo: "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap"   once at runtime to make changes active. next X-start it should be read automatically
[14:53] <netameta__> fixed !!
[14:53] <ixio> anyone aware of a commericial backup software / provider that I can use to take a full system image of a linux box to a cloud server/service
[14:53] <netameta__> darn i hate linux and anything related to servers
[14:54] <JoshStrobl> netameta__: So what was the issue? :P
[14:54] <Armo> llutz, Okay. But then, they also would come back to their old functions even after the computer comes back from a sleep.
[14:54] <netameta__> joshStrobl, Thanks, what i did was purge everything, nginx/php5 everything that was there.
[14:55] <netameta__> joshStrobl, then reinstalled it. and its working
[14:55] <JoshStrobl> Awesome.
[14:55] <JoshStrobl> Still not sure why it derped in the first place.
[14:55] <netameta__> no idea what ecactly was worng
[14:55] <netameta__> but :-)
[14:55] <JoshStrobl> Yea me either :D
[14:55] <netameta__> thanks for sticking with me and helping.
[14:55] <netameta__> back to code
[14:59] <AzizLight> Hi everybody
[15:00] <crunch-choco> Do you think goobuntu will switch to 14.04 as soon as it will be released?
[15:00] <AzizLight> I am using tmux and zsh, and all keybindings are broken. ie: Crtl-p sends ^P... any ideas on how to fix the problem please?
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> crunch-choco: 14.04 is offtopic here
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> crunch-choco: its also not supported in any of the Ubuntu support channels. It has its own community and support
[15:07] <Armo> llutz, Is it possible to make that command execute automatically after resume from suspend/sleep?
[15:07] <Voyage> Hi,
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> Armo: you can set commands to run on wake up / thaw, yes
[15:08] <llutz> Armo: somewhere in /etc/....pm/resume.d  is a place to put ascript for that iirc
[15:09] <MarkDavies> Well.. I've installed elinks browser and I must say that for the time being I'm completely lost
[15:09] <Voyage> Is there a native way to open/extract isz files in ubuntu?
[15:09] <crunch-choco> ActionParsnip: oh oops ok, i didn't know
[15:09] <MarkDavies> links provided me with all the functionality I needed but one: it doesn't allow to copy links
[15:09] <Armo> ActionParsnip, Could you please help me do that?
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> Arno: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2044066
[15:11] <MarkDavies> Unfortunately it seems like elinks has the same flow
[15:19] <teo__> l
[15:24] <ktosiek> how should vim plugins be packaged?
[15:25] <ktosiek> I have a package that can provide a syntax plugin, but I'm not sure where to put it
[15:26] <ktosiek> (or is there more development-oriented channel for Ubuntu?)
[15:26] <cfhowlett> ktosiek, #ubuntu-devel if I recall correctly
[15:26] <ktosiek> thanks!
[15:28] <Hategrin> Quick, what's the name of the default Ubuntu font?!
[15:28] <Codingfree> hi there. I heard that there is a way to do a clean installation of Ubuntu that allows to reduce in the future the Windows partition and to expands the UBuntu partition. Would you know what kind of installation I'm talking about?
[15:28] <tero> any ideas why is ma battery life on my laptop almost half shorter on ubuntu?
[15:28] <tero> than on windows?
[15:29] <Hategrin> Codingfree, it's been a while since I've tried to run that type of install, i'm not even sure it's still supported.
[15:30] <Codingfree> Hategrin, do you remember how is it named?
[15:30] <Hategrin> But I do think I remember it trying to shrink my backup drive when i installed lately, if I'm correct in my thinking it was the default option.
[15:31] <Hategrin> I'd strongly suggest you pickup an extra hard drive though and just dual boot. Install the bootloader on your Windows drive and the Ubuntu system on the new one
[15:31] <Hategrin> It would automatically detect the windows partition and setup a grub (bootloader) loader for it
[15:36] <Anupkumar> Hi, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 on my laptop
[15:37] <Anupkumar> IF I want to remove the above panel then what should I do?
[15:37] <Anupkumar> I mean I want a Mac look for my system
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> Raring is EOL and not supported in any way
[15:38] <cfhowlett> Anupkumar, 12.04 for Long Term Support or 13.10 for --- a couple more months of support.
[15:38] <Anupkumar> cfhowlett: 13.04
[15:39] <cfhowlett> Anupkumar, as actionparsnip stated: 13.04 is dead and no longer supported here or anywhere else.  consider your options.
[15:40] <Anupkumar> so you mean I need to install 12.04 on my PC?
[15:40] <Anupkumar> cfhowlett: ^
[15:40] <mannnn> Anupkumar: or wait out for 12.04
[15:40] <cfhowlett> Anupkumar, or 13.10 - your choice;;
[15:40] <mannnn> Anupkumar: or wait out for 14.04
[15:40] <Anupkumar> cfhowlett: with 13.10 there is a Issue for me
[15:40] <cfhowlett> Anupkumar, or put 12.04 on now and upgrade directly to 14.04 next month.
[15:40] <Anupkumar> I am not getting the graphic driver installed in that
[15:41] <Anupkumar> cfhowlett: I got a ATI radeon 7670M hd graphic card
[15:41] <cfhowlett> Anupkumar, GPU is over my head.  sorry.
[15:41] <Anupkumar> cfhowlett: ok
[15:43] <Platz> rejoice!  Firefox 29 with the spiffy new appearance is finally filtered down
[15:46] <node539> onward to glory!
[15:47] <bublik007> If I install ubuntu 14.04 will I be able to update to final when it comes out simply by doing apt-get update apt get upgrade or is it advisable to do a clean install?
[15:47] <cfhowlett> bublik007, possible to update but I prefer clean install.  YMMV
[15:47] <bublik007> Even from 14.04 to 14.04?
[15:48] <cfhowlett> bublik007, although I'm not 100% "upgrade" is the correct command
[15:48] <cfhowlett> bublik007, "personal preference"
[15:48] <bublik007> Any other opinions
[15:48] <cfhowlett> bublik007, ask in #ubuntu+1   the "next release" channel should know all about that stuff
[16:00] <JoshStrobl> bublik007: I believe sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would be the appropriate command :)
[16:01] <bublik007> Even if it's from 14.04 to 14.04?
[16:02] <JoshStrobl> bublik007: If you are running something like 14.04 beta and want it to jump to stable, you shouldn't have to do anything since it is already pointing to the trusty repo. That said, I'd also recommend asking in the ubuntu+1 IRC.
[16:03] <bublik007> Yeah that was my original question
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> bublik007: Trusty isnt supported here, ask in #ubuntu+1
[16:08] <bublik007> I did. Thanks. The channel is pretty dead though :(
[16:09] <tomreyn> in ubuntu 12.04, can you make a system connect to the default (configured in NM) access poiunt even when the user hasn't logged in, yet?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> bublik007: doesnt mean its supported here
[16:10] <tomreyn> i'm trying to diagnose problems on a remote ubuntu _desktop_ and it would be helpful to be able to access it even without X running
[16:10] <cfhowlett> tomreyn, don't think so but - but why would you even want to do that?  sounds quite risky.
[16:10] <Ooho> hi
[16:10] <bublik007> Alright sorry. Didn't want to upset you
[16:10] <tomreyn> cfhowlett: how's that risky?
[16:10] <kostkon> tomreyn, yes, just enable the "available to all users" options
[16:11] <kostkon> option*
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> tomreyn: what are you connecting to the remote system to do?
[16:12] <tomreyn> ActionParsnip: all kinds of system management tasks
[16:12] <tomreyn> fsck of /home in this case
[16:13] <tomreyn> (that's a partition)
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> tomreyn: you can do that over ssh, you dont need the full desktip for that
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> tomreyn: you are opening a terminal in the desktop session, right?
[16:13] <tomreyn> only when the system is connected to the network, though
[16:13] <tomreyn> no
[16:14] <tomreyn> i'm ssh'ing to that remote desktop
[16:14] <tomreyn> currently i cannot ssh in unless the local user there logged in, since only then the wireless network link is established
[16:15] <tomreyn> i think waht kostkon said is exactly what i needed . thanks!
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> tomreyn: ahh i see, weird. Id have thought network manager would start at boot and use the configs
[16:16] <rajv> hi
[16:16] <cheval> Hey guys i have a question about ubuntu server? anoyone there?
[16:16] <tomreyn> i think ti starts during boot, but did not (hopefully it will now) bring up the wireless interface until user logs on to desktop
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> Cheval: wassup
[16:16] <stefg> BTW, there's #ubuntu-server
[16:16] <jmoore> Hello everyone. Hmm.. so we are all using Ubuntu  that are here I take it?
[16:17] <cheval> ActionParsnip: hey
[16:17] <cacamiel> hi
[16:17] <cfhowlett> jmoore, safe to assume.  what's your support question.
[16:17] <cacamiel> g2g i will be back later sorry
[16:17] <gordonjcp> jmoore: maybe
[16:18] <rajv> i tried to install ubuntu 13.10 in my recently bought  ASUS F102BA-SH41T
[16:18]  * gordonjcp isn't using Linux at all at the moment
[16:18]  * cfhowlett thinks "heretic!"
[16:18] <gordonjcp> I dual-boot between Linux and OSX or Linux and Haiku, depending what machine I'm on
[16:18] <cfhowlett> :)
[16:18] <gordonjcp> currently I'm working on Haiku
[16:18] <jmoore> Im good I ended up here by default. I love Ubuntu though.
[16:18] <rajv> i am getting low resolution graphics card error unable to proceed with install
[16:19] <rajv> can someone help me
[16:19] <gordonjcp> cfhowlett: :-D
[16:19] <cheval> ActionParsnip: When i create an ubuntu server, i wanted to set up a Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM, the problem is that it fails and doest lets me to install grub on either sda or /boot. I done it before but also guided on crunchbang os. I tried ubuntu server 12.04, 13.10 weird any help?
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> Rajv: sems to be an ATi GPU
[16:19] <cfhowlett> !server|cheval,
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> Rajv: try thebboot option: radeon.nomodeset=1
[16:20] <rajv> how do i try that
[16:20] <rajv> sorry for the dumb question
[16:20] <cheval> ubottu: ah a special channel for special folks lol
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> !bootoption | rajv
[16:21] <rajv> thank you
[16:22] <rajv> thanks ActionParsnip and ubottu i will try that
[16:22]  * cheval READING TIME
[16:22]  * cheval Hasta Lavista
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> cheval: why an encrypred server?
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> cheval: does /boot need to be unencrypted?
[16:23] <jhutchins> ActionParsnip: From the fact that some people do whole disk encryption, I gather that there are ways around it.
[16:24] <narcislinux> What is the purpose of this comic? http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-06-24/
[16:25] <bublik007> Any difference in installing x ubuntu and then adding unity then just installing ubuntu to begin with?
[16:26] <cfhowlett> bublik007, funny but off-topic for this channel.
[16:26] <ActionParsnip> bublik007: none, you will just have an extra session to log in to in LightDM
[16:27] <Bug8f> Well I know it's not really the right place because it may be a problem with fedora, but I'm just asking in case someone has an idea : My computer is : Athlon 3500+ / ATI 4550 -> It doesn't boot anymore past the fedora logo since yum update installed Kernel 3.13, if i boot in verbose i get : started accounts service as the last line before it get stuck. Does anyone has any idea ?
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> bublik007: you can install as many desktops and shells as your drive can hold and you will make the choice when you log in
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> Bug8f: ask in #fedora please. This is ubunt support only
[16:28] <Bug8f> ActionParsnip: I didn't but I didn't get any answer, I'm asking there because i was wondering if anyone had the same problem with this kernel in other distribs.
[16:29] <Bug8f> I did*
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> Bug8f: its offtopic here
[16:29] <Bug8f> ActionParsnip: Ok sorry.
[16:29] <jhutchins> Bug8f: The boot structure of Fedora is quite distinct from Ubuntu.  You're trying to buy Ford parts at the Chevy dealer.
[16:31] <Bug8f> jhutchins: Sorry, I just thought as both could be using the same kernel the problem could be there too.
[16:31] <cfhowlett> Bug8f, no apology needed.
[16:32] <ljv4> i have host machine with a lot of new firefox tabs open and about 60 "vino-serv" processes opened from an IP found on this bad list (https://www.dragonresearchgroup.org/insight/vncprobe.txt). although mathematically i'm surprised if they could crack a 120-bit random alphanumeric pwd, what's the best means of autopsy after i have disconnected internet connection?
[16:33] <jhutchins> ljv4: Are you trying to figure out what happened, or just trying to fix it.
[16:34] <ljv4> curiosity wants the first, pragmatism the second, so both but mostly the first as i'd like to know before i potentially reinstall ubuntu
[16:35] <cfhowlett> ljv4, shouldn't have to reinstall - I would think locking down the vulnerable points would sufficient
[16:35] <jhutchins> ljv4: If the system has been compromised you can't really trust any part of it, so yeah, reinstall is required.
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> Ljv4: do you have a web facing vnc server?
[16:36] <jhutchins> ljv4: One of the most common tricks is to replace "logon" with a program that does other things as well.
[16:36]  * cfhowlett considers himself properly chastised.
[16:37] <ActionParsnip> ljv4: please tel me you are using an SSH tunnel for VNC and not port forwarding port 5900 and 5800 on your router.
[16:38] <ljv4> actionparsnip, i have no portforwarding from router to those vnc ports (hence my surprise as i naively thought that meant vnc only locally available)
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> ljv4: strange indeed
[16:38] <dragonslay> ActionParsnip, please suggest some data compression proxy you might know of?
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> dragonslay: no idea. Sorry
[16:39] <ljv4> jhutchins: i don't know what "logon" is, or if you mean the adversary may have replaced my "logon" program so they can get my logon pwd
[16:40] <ActionParsnip> Dragonslay: seems there is an extension for chrome for it
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> !info ziproxy
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> Dragonslay: run one on your own pc
[16:43] <dragonslay> Hm, ActionParsnip. TX :)
[16:44] <llutz> what's the point of running a compressing proxy on local machines? *wonder*
[16:45] <ljv4> any suggestions on autopsy? if i create the same setup after a reinstall, the same vulnerability would likely exist. the math is not in their favor, i'm stumped. but notification window asked about setup.exe from ...cldsvr311.com and playhe.com tabs open on firefox, etc, etc
[16:49] <nikolam> How is this possible: I linked a program from /opt/ to /bin and It won't run, http://pastebin.com/z2SQaRga
[16:49] <llutz> nikolam: as yo see, it searches for other dirs/files in $PWD which don't exist in bin/
[16:50] <nikolam> llutz, so it's a program problem, not linking it?
[16:51] <Phil42> it looks like /usr/bin/aooffice is complaing that /opt/openoffice4/program/aooffice.bin is not there
[16:51] <nikolam> Yes I see that, Phil42 but since aooffice is just a symbolic link to /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice
[16:53] <llutz> nikolam: it works, if you call "/opt/openoffice4/program/soffice" directly?
[16:53] <nikolam> yes, llutz
[16:54] <nikolam> I just made aooffice to be a script, that does 'cd /opt/openoffice4/program/ '  and then './soffice' . And it works
[16:54] <nikolam> Even /usr/bin/soffice (that comes from LibreOffice is actually a script
[16:55] <nikolam> Only thing that wasn't done was installing AOO menu icons, because .deb provided by Apache does not work on Ubuntu. Must report that to them to fix that
[16:55] <llutz> nikolam: yes, because those change $PWD into the /opt/openoffice.... where other needed files are found. your simple symlink doesn't, so it fails
[16:57] <nikolam> llutz, yes, it is application's problem. Application expect same-named other files on same location, e.g. it is specific to name of executable. Suppose AOO and Libreoffice share that problem, and are for that named soffice still
[16:58] <llutz> nikolam: a lot of application have that problem. just use the script they provide to start,not a (non-working) symlink
[17:24] <rajv> installing ubuntu 13.10  on my ASUS F102BA-SH41T  unable to install due to low graphics resolution problem
 Rajv: try thebboot option: radeon.nomodeset=1
[17:25] <rajv> but i am unable to enter this option
[17:25] <rajv> can some one help me
[17:27] <cfhowlett> rajv, what do you mean you can't do the nomodeset?
[17:31] <humbag> rajv: have a look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 under 'How to enable kernel options on the livecd'
[17:39] <jhutchins> rajv: Why can't you enter the option?
[17:40] <rajv> when i try uubuntu
[17:40] <rajv> it directly goes to low screen resolution
[17:40] <rajv> should I the grub file
[17:44] <rajv> hi jhutchins can you help me
[17:45] <jhutchins> rajv: How have you tried to enter the command?
[17:45] <rajv> yes
[17:45] <rajv> I  tried radeon.nomodeset=1 in the grub loader
[17:45] <jhutchins> rajv: The usual method is to go ahead and install with the low resolution, but then reconfigure the graphics.
[17:45] <rajv> still get the same issue
[17:46] <rajv> but it is not responding to keystrokes
[17:46] <rajv> any other alternative is there
[17:48] <jhutchins> rajv: So system is not responding to keyboard during boot?
[17:49] <rajv> once it reaches the low screen resolution dialog it does nto respond
[17:50] <jhutchins> rajv: That's not very clear, but if you can't edit the boot command, look for USB options in your BIOS.  Something like "Legacy USB".  Whatever it's set to, change it and see if that works.
[17:51] <rajv> i can edit the boot command
[17:51] <rajv> i added radeon.nomodeset=1 after quiet command
[17:52] <rajv> but then also it goes to low resolution screen and after that the system does not respond
[17:54] <rajv> hi jhutchins - is the option radeon,nomodeset=1 correct
[17:54] <levo> is it possible to use linux command line (fdisk) using minimal ubuntu disk?
[17:55] <jhutchins> rajv: If you have radeon hardware and it does not boot to a graphics screen then yes, but you might want to do a text mode install.
[17:55] <jhutchins> !install
[17:55] <rajv> how do i do that
[17:56] <jhutchins> rajv: It's hard to have a lot of knowledge about the installer unless you do a lot of installs on a lot of different hardware.  Most of us do one install on one system.
[17:56] <rajv> ok
[17:58] <rajv> r u suggesting text based install is not easy
[17:58] <rajv> the alternative I have is to live wiith windows
[17:58] <jhutchins> rajv: No, but to get the details you should read the documentation ubottu linked to above.
[17:59] <rajv> sure thanks
[18:02] <FeDeerico> How to Install "Eyeon Fusion"
[18:02] <FeDeerico> help please
[18:03] <FeDeerico> Heelp
[18:03] <Phil42> Do you have all the compatibility libraries installed?
[18:03] <Phil42> http://vfxpedia.com/index.php?title=...l_Instructions
[18:04] <Phil42> Did you follow the install guide?
[18:04] <Phil42> http://vfxpedia.com/index.php?title=.../Install_Guide
[18:04] <Phil42> http://vfxpedia.com/index.php?title=Fusion_under_Linux#Distribution_Specific_Install_Instructions
[18:04] <Phil42> http://vfxpedia.com/index.php?title=Fusion_under_Linux#Distribution_Specific_Install_Instructions
[18:05] <daemonicus> is there any command that i can soft "fake" that i plug in the power source of my laptop
[18:05] <daemonicus> ?
[18:05] <daemonicus> and then plug it off?
[18:06] <daftykins> why?
[18:06] <Guest23858> since i had setup openstack . when i type localhost . i get openstack dashboard . Now , how would i setup a website to run on my local machine
[18:06] <Guest23858> any help ? :(
[18:06] <FeDeerico> but "Fusion" is a software for editing videos
[18:06] <jak2000> wich package recommend me install ofr send email? wich MTA? a easy to configure, thanks/j nullmailer
[18:06] <Phil42> http://vfxpedia.com/index.php?title=Fusion_under_Linux/Install_Guide
[18:06] <jak2000> error...(invalid message) lastest
[18:06] <FeDeerico> http://www.eyeonline.com/DownloadFusion2.html
[18:06] <daftykins> Guest23858: i don't understand you, are you asking how to make 'openstack' available from outside your home?
[18:07] <daemonicus> daftykins,  why was for me??
[18:07] <Guest23858> daftykins: no
[18:07] <daftykins> daemonicus: yep
[18:07] <jak2000> FeDeerico what is Fusion? is for?
[18:07] <llutz> jak2000: just to handle outgoing mail? via a smarthost or direct delivery? look at ssmtp/msmtp
[18:07] <Guest23858> daftykins: how would i make my browser to open a site i setup in apache when i type localhost
[18:08] <FeDeerico> Its like Adobe after effects
[18:08] <daemonicus> daftykins, sometimes, since boot, i have a higher power consumption , about 3W more. If i plug in the cable and instantly unplug it , it gets back to normal
[18:08] <Guest23858> daftykins: bcoz , when i type localhost i get openstack dashboard
[18:08] <jak2000> llutz, i want send an receive emails a friend recommend me null mailer, its ok?
[18:09] <daftykins> Guest23858: either buy a web domain and point it to your home IP and port forward, or edit your hosts file to fake a website at your LAN IP (192.168.x.x) instead
[18:09] <FeDeerico> for post production
[18:09] <daftykins> daemonicus: that's weird, no ideas unfortunately
[18:09] <llutz> jak2000: nullmailer cannot handle inbound mail afaik
[18:10] <jak2000> llutz wich recommend me? easy to install? dovecot? postfix? sendmail?
[18:10] <llutz> jak2000: postfix
[18:10] <llutz> jak2000: well documented, support in #postfix
[18:10] <Guest23858> daftykins: how would i edit my host file ? what ip should i point to ?
[18:11] <jak2000> i know that in google exist some tutorials, but... you know a good? tutorial?
[18:11] <jak2000> for install postfix, need have bind installed on my server?
[18:11] <llutz> jak2000:like https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postfix.html
[18:11] <Guest23858> daftykins: i use a netgear router
[18:11] <daftykins> Guest23858: your system's LAN IP would work, you edit /etc/hosts and add an entry at the bottom
[18:12] <daftykins> Guest23858: although what's really so hard about visiting http://localhost/ ? :)
[18:12] <jak2000> llutz what about bind?
[18:12] <llutz> jak2000: not really needed
[18:13] <Guest23858> daftykins: thats what i told i use openstack , so i get openstack dashboard when i type loopback address
[18:13] <jak2000> llutz thanks, friend, i continue working on my site...
[18:14] <Guest23858> daftykins: and i am testing another website . so i asked
[18:15] <daftykins> Guest23858: oooooh so you want to run that and apache at the same time...
[18:15] <daftykins> Guest23858: ok you want to reconfigure openstack to run on a different port than 80 then. try changing it to 8080
[18:15] <Guest23858> daftykins: ya u got it
[18:15] <mjayk> haya I need help setting the MTU on my wireless card cana anyone help ?
[18:15] <daftykins> Guest23858: then you will have apache on http://localhost/ and openstack on http://localhost:8080/
[18:16] <zg> what is so different between `upgrade' and `dist-upgrade'
[18:16] <zg> with `apt-get'
[18:16] <llutz> zg read man apt-get (upgrade won't install new packages)
[18:17] <Guest23858> daftykins: i dont want to reconfigure openstack . i want to change apache to other port
[18:17] <daftykins> Guest23858: hrmm that's probably the backwards way to go about it, but ok. just installed apache and reconfigure it in /etc/apache2/apache.conf
[18:17] <zg> upgrade
[18:17] <zg> Used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system from the sources enumerated in /etc/apt/sources.list(5).
[18:17] <jak2000> how to see all commands typed?
[18:17] <zg> llutz: you lie
[18:17] <daftykins> jak2000: 'history'
[18:18] <zg> jak2000: look at `~/.bash_history'
[18:18] <llutz> zg: keep reading that chapter
[18:18] <jak2000> ok, thanks
[18:19] <zg> llutz: oh ok
[18:19] <zg> thanks
[18:19] <nick__> italians around ? ;)
[18:20] <Guest23858> daftykins: i dont see any place to change the port in conf file
[18:20] <daftykins> Guest23858: ok it might be in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default
[18:20] <daftykins> Guest23858: at this point though i would recommend you google and use apache's own docs to discover how
[18:20] <llutz> Guest23858: sudo vi /etc/apache2/ports.conf -> Listen 8010
[18:21] <llutz> or what port ever
[18:27] <Dorifto> !help
[18:27] <Dorifto> !patience
[18:30] <jak2000> how to open a port?
[18:30] <llutz> jak2000: start a service listening on it
[18:31] <jak2000> llutz yes.. vsftpd
[18:31] <jak2000> OR recomend other FTP server?
[18:32] <llutz> jak2000: check if you can use sftp instead of ftp.
[18:32] <jak2000> mm ok, googling
[18:33]  * jak2000 googlilng ubuntu sftp tutorial
[18:34] <jak2000> mm proftpd + sftp ?
[18:35] <jak2000> llutz confused links on google, can recommend me one? for start?
[18:36] <jak2000> llutz nned Install openssh-server?
[18:36] <llutz> jak2000: sftp bases on ssh, not ftp.
[18:36] <jak2000> *need
[18:36] <llutz> jak2000: yes, needs sshd
[18:37] <jak2000> mmm ok, apt-get install openssh-server: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
[18:39] <usr13> jak2000: Do you need to test to see that it works?  ssh localhost
[18:40] <usr13> (you'll either get a login prompt or "Connection refused")
[18:41] <jak2000> usr13 but if i move the ssh config i cant connect remotely... remotely i can do a ssh to my server(its a vps) i have fear...
[18:41] <llutz> jak2000: so you already have ssh up and running
[18:42] <vu> Wnated to upgrade from 12.4.3 to 12.4.4 but the upgrade took me to 12.10...hmm
[18:43] <jak2000> yes...
[18:43] <jak2000> i am reading: http://articlebin.michaelmilette.com/setting-up-openssh-sftp-on-ubuntu/  for try connect from a windows PC
[18:43] <jak2000> but i think first of first need open the port on my ubuntu server
[18:43] <usr13> vu: What command did you use ?
[18:44] <artx> ciao
[18:44] <usr13> vu: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  ?
[18:44] <YamakasY_> ah startup script
[18:46] <usr13> vu: cat /etc/issue  #Are you sure it's 12.10?
[18:46] <usr13> vu: What did you do?
[18:48] <abhinav2hd> hey guys
[18:49] <usr13> abhinav2hd: How can we help you?
[18:50] <usr13> jak2000: To do a secure shell connection from a Windows PC, you can use putty.
[18:51] <jak2000> usr13 i use winscp for connect, itsok?
[18:51] <bekks> vu: did you run do-release-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:52] <bekks> jak2000: using winscp, you dont get a terminal.
[18:52] <usr13> jak2000:  I don't know about winscp
[18:52] <vu> bekks: Good point....need to check
[18:52] <usr13> jak2000: iptables -L   #See what that says
[18:53] <SergeyServer> yo guys again
[18:53] <SergeyServer> I almost done
[18:53] <usr13> jak2000: sudo iptables -L |pastebinit  #Send us the URL and well will look as well.
[18:53] <SergeyServer> Could someone help me with webservers?
[18:53] <SergeyServer> I need to edit mysql.
[18:53] <SergeyServer> and sqlite3
[18:53] <usr13> jak2000: (By default, no ports are blocked.)
[18:53] <mikemonk> hi guys... got a question... does anybody know if I install an Ubuntu 14.04 image, can I keep it upgrading with apt so that at the time the final version is released, it would be the same that the one I would have installed at the beginning?
[18:53] <SergeyServer> is here anyone who can help me with it?
[18:54] <jak2000> usr13 yes
[18:54] <usr13> mikemonk: yes
[18:54] <jak2000> i want to connect with winscp to a remote server via ssh (i have a certificate/key)
[18:54] <mikemonk> usr13: good thanks!
[18:54] <ActionParsnip> !winscp
[18:54] <ActionParsnip> Hmm no guide
[18:55] <yeats> jak2000: http://winscp.net/eng/docs/start
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> jak2000: http://winscp.net/eng/docs/public_key
[18:55] <jak2000> thanks
[18:55] <jak2000> reading
[18:56] <ActionParsnip> Yeats: i see you have access to websearching too
[18:56] <mikemonk> do you guys know how stable is 14.04 by now? would you consider it a daily driver for a personal workstation?
[18:56] <ActionParsnip> mikemonk: ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[18:56] <mikemonk> ActionParsnip: ok thanks
[18:57] <SergeyServer> Hello guys anyone can help me with mysql???
[18:57] <yeats> ActionParsnip: :-)
[18:57] <usr13> SergeyServer: What is your question?
[18:57] <ActionParsnip> SergeyServer: installing it or using it?
[18:57] <SergeyServer> Using
[18:57] <SergeyServer> I need to create database, account and password on my server
[18:58] <ActionParsnip> SergeyServer: somebody may know but ask in #mysql too
[18:58] <SergeyServer> what is it?
[18:58] <SergeyServer> I cannot send messages in that chat
[18:59] <bekks> Register your nick.
[18:59] <SergeyServer> I dont know how to register
[18:59] <SergeyServer> this bad program
[18:59] <SergeyServer> very bad
[18:59] <llutz> !register | SergeyServer
[18:59] <bekks> !register | SergeyServer
[18:59] <usr13> SergeyServer: mysqladmin -u <user-name> password <yourpassword>
[18:59] <SergeyServer> ?
[18:59] <bekks> SergeyServer: You have to register your nickname to send messages in the mysql IRC channel.
[18:59] <SergeyServer> I write in terminal sudo mysqladmin -u hostbot
[19:00] <usr13> SergeyServer: And as llutz suggests, you should just register your nick.
[19:00] <mikemonk> SergeyServer: first information is for you registering, second one is for mysql
[19:00] <usr13> SergeyServer: ... and join the mysql channel
[19:01] <SergeyServer> #mysql :Cannot send to channel
[19:01] <buntu|boog> o.o
[19:01] <SergeyServer> cannot register
[19:01] <buntu|boog>  new here
[19:01] <bekks> SergeyServer: You did not even try. :)
[19:01] <usr13> SergeyServer: Register your nick
[19:01] <buntu|boog> how?
[19:01] <bekks> SergeyServer: Please read the link given, and register your nick.
[19:02] <SergeyServer> bekks I tried
[19:02] <usr13> !russian | SergeyServer
[19:02] <SergeyServer> what link? o.O
[19:03] <mikemonk> SergeyServer: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[19:03] <p3rror> I need to draw some network architecture
[19:03] <p3rror> for that I use Dia
[19:03] <SergeyServer> I cannot write in russian channel too
[19:03] <SergeyServer> lol
[19:03] <p3rror> how to get something like this http://nefertiti.crdp.ac-lyon.fr/wk/_media/cdch/dmz1.jpg
[19:03] <cfhowlett> p3rror, best to ask Dia channel for support.
[19:04] <buntu|boog> o.o
[19:04] <SergeyServer> aha /msg NickServ REGISTER password<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:04] <PengunCSC> hipitihop,
[19:05] <Lope> I tried to mount a NFS share and I got a message: "access denied by server". do I need to mount the NFS share as user bob... having a bob user on the server with a matching password with permission to access the shared dir? even with 777 permissions on the dir I get the same message.
[19:05] <p3rror> cfhowlett, I'm looking for an alternative
[19:05] <p3rror> cfhowlett, So I can not ask on Dia channel
[19:06] <ScyllaBus> Hello, Ubuntu 13.10 user here (running MATE desktop env). Currently trying to install AMD graphics driver, but every time I do, my computer slows down by A LOT, making it almost impossible to do anything (like continue with the AMD driver installer). I ran 'top' and sure enough, XOrg was using 104% of my CPU. What can I do to fix this? This also happened on other distros such as Linux Mint.
[19:06] <usr13> Lope: You must set user or permissions on the server so that it can be accessed
[19:06] <cfhowlett> p3rror, got it.  wait 1
[19:06] <PengunCSC> LibreOffice 4.2.0 RC4 Calc crashes when changing a group of cells format to Currency. on Ubuntu 12.04.4 with LibreOffice 4.0 PPA
[19:07] <usr13> Lope: Or, you may need to adjust your fstab entry.  You can show us what you have, maybe we can give you some specific advise.
[19:07] <llutz> !info lanmap
[19:07] <daftykins> ScyllaBus: install it with X stopped?
[19:07] <ScyllaBus> daftykins: How?
[19:07] <buntu|boog> o.o
[19:07] <usr13> Lope: mount | pastebinit  && pastebinit /etc/fstab
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> PengunCSC: contact the PPA maintainer to report the issue
[19:07] <daftykins> ScyllaBus: depends if you're comfortable at doing the install from command line
[19:08] <cfhowlett> p3rror, see linux options:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagramming_software
[19:08] <CarlFK> I need to cd and run a script when a user logs in. basically this  "Command line or programmatical approach for 12.04" http://askubuntu.com/questions/30931/how-do-i-make-a-program-auto-start-everytime-i-log-in  only this doesn't work: Exec="cd dvsmon && ./stream_test.sh"
[19:08] <ScyllaBus> daftykins: But why is this happening though?
[19:08] <usr13> Lope: ... and sent a couple URLs
[19:08] <PengunCSC> ActionParsnip, Thanks!
[19:08] <daftykins> ScyllaBus: i have no idea
[19:08] <buntu|boog> I forgot ubuntu
[19:08] <KiltedMetalhead> I'm confused.
[19:09] <SergeyServer> nobody wants to help me in mysql
[19:09] <daftykins> ScyllaBus: which AMD card is it?
[19:09] <ActionParsnip> CarlFK: use the full path to the folder to cd to.
[19:09] <daftykins> SergeyServer: perhaps you should try a mysql channel?
[19:09] <ScyllaBus> daftykins: AMD Radeon 7770GHz Edition
[19:09] <SergeyServer> daftykins I  wrote there, no1 helps me
[19:09] <CarlFK> ActionParsnip: ah right. thanks
[19:09] <ActionParsnip> CarlFK: or make a script to run the commands and add that to the startup
[19:10] <daftykins> SergeyServer: then i guess you're done beyond researching yourself online
[19:10] <ScyllaBus> I've looked online on google and still haven't found a solution yet, but a vast majority seem to think it has something to do with a nVidia driver?
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> Scyllabus: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[19:11] <daftykins> i sincerely doubt it
[19:11] <ScyllaBus> out: Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[19:12] <Lope> thanks usr13: checking it out
[19:12] <ActionParsnip> ScyllaBus: if you run: sudo lshw -C display ,do you see 2 GPUs? Whatbis after 'driver=' for it/them?
[19:12] <jak2000> usr13, llutz i am connect via Certificate (ssh) and only ask me a user. but wordpress ask me ip/user/password how to solve this?
[19:13] <ScyllaBus> Actually yeah I do see two GPU's. One is my Radeon card and one is my Intel integrated graphics.
[19:13] <llutz> jak2000: what does ssh to do with wordpress?
[19:13] <llutz> have*
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> ScyllaBus: is the system a laptop?
[19:13] <ScyllaBus> No, custom built desktop.
[19:14] <ScyllaBus> radeon: driver=radeon     integrated intel gfx: driver=i915
[19:14] <ActionParsnip> ScyllaBus: have you tried disabling the Intel GPU?
[19:14] <usr13> jak2000: So you have it set up for passwordless login?
[19:15] <jak2000> llutz i installed wordpress on my server, i need install a captcha plugin, when try to install ask me a user/password of my FTP server.
[19:15] <jak2000> usr13: only add a user: adduser myuser ?
[19:15] <ScyllaBus> ActionParsnip: via bios?
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> ScyllaBus: yes
[19:15] <usr13> jak2000: Make your question specific.  (Or more specific)
[19:16] <jak2000> ok
[19:16] <jak2000> usr13 for create a user, (sftp user), i need adding the user with command adduser?
[19:16] <llutz> jak2000: for that you need a real ftp- not sftp-server i'd guess
[19:17] <ScyllaBus> ActionParsnip: I sometimes use it for dual monitor though (don't have a second monitor compatible with the DVI-D input).
[19:17] <jak2000> llutz yes i think
[19:17] <Lope> usr13: sorted, just had to refresh my config.
[19:17] <llutz> jak2000: well, i stay corrected: http://wordpress.org/plugins/ssh-sftp-updater-support/
[19:17] <usr13> Lope: Very good.
[19:17] <usr13> jak2000: You might also want to /join #wordpress
[19:17] <ScyllaBus> But its strange because I don't even have my monitor plugged into that port, its plugged into my graphics card DVI port.
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> ScyllaBus: worth a try, just to test
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> ScyllaBus: the Xorg is still trying to use both to form the X server
[19:20] <usr13> Lope: And remember to restart the nfs server if you change /etc/exports
[19:20] <smacktalk> I'm having trouble extracting an xz file
[19:20] <ScyllaBus> ActionParsnip: Let's say it were to work, what would I do in the future when I need to use my integrated graphics again?
[19:20] <as222> Hi. I've got a laptop which Win doesn't come up at all. So I'm trying to boot the laptop by UBUNTU 13.10 and after booting it with CD/ROM, then I'll try to copy all my data, but only after a few mins -in the middle of copying- then everthing stops! Any idea how can I copy all my data?
[19:20] <jak2000> arghh  usr13 and llutz: http://postimg.org/image/lpu08xb5d/
[19:20] <smacktalk> tar -Jxf FreeNAS-<IP_ADDRESS>-RELEASE-x64.img.xz
[19:20] <smacktalk>   says this isn't a tar file...
[19:20] <jak2000> no place for give the certificate :(
[19:20] <usr13> smacktalk: So what kind of file is it?   file  <file.name>
[19:20] <usr13> smacktalk: tar xvf FreeNAS-<IP_ADDRESS>-RELEASE-x64.img.xz
[19:21] <llutz> jak2000: ftps is not the same as sftp
[19:21] <usr13> smacktalk: (it will auto-detect)
[19:21] <jak2000> llutz then for solve this issusue need isntall vsftpd? by sample?
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> ScyllaBus: not sure tbh
[19:21] <Lope> will the latest linux kernel generally perform significantly better than Kernel 3.2?
[19:21] <usr13> smacktalk: Oh it says it *isnt* a tar file?
[19:21] <llutz> jak2000: yes,
[19:22] <smacktalk> tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[19:22] <flashram> how want to help me restore my ubuntu to full gnome instead of wallpaper only gnome ?
[19:22] <usr13> smacktalk: So what is it?
[19:22] <ScyllaBus> How do I run the AMD graphics driver installer via terminal?
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> smacktalk: install unp and use that to extract the file
[19:22] <llutz> smacktalk: unxz file.xz
[19:22] <ScyllaBus> ie, how do I run the AMD graphics installer without it using XServer?
[19:22] <frank1e> hey guys
[19:22] <flashram> hi ActionParsnip how do i restore gnome ?
[19:23] <flashram> im on 804
[19:23] <flashram> CANT UPDATE :(  pc to old
[19:23] <usr13> ScyllaBus: You probably need to turn off the GUI first.  Right?
[19:23] <jak2000> llutz ok :(
[19:23] <usr13> ScyllaBus: ./file-name-here
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> flashram: 8.04 is no longer supported in any way
[19:23] <buntu|boog> help
[19:23] <flashram> not even on chat ? i use old repos
[19:23] <ScyllaBus> usr13: I'm not sure how to do that.
[19:23] <frank1e> Im trying to copy some folders with files in them to /usr/bin on ubuntu. googled and people always say to use gksudo nautilus, which opens a new window after the entered pass. but the new window is the Home folder.
[19:23] <frank1e> anyone can help me on that?
[19:23] <buntu|boog> with my graphic card?
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> flashram: Lubuntu 14.04 is great on old systems and is lTS
[19:23] <usr13> ScyllaBus: sudo service lightdm stop
[19:24] <ricksebak> I'm trying to install ubuntu server in a virtualbox VM. I tried to push F4 at the install screen so I can use the "install minimal VM mode". but F4 isn't responsive at all in the guest. However, if I hit F1 for help, then F4 to go to the fourth menu page, that works, so I know virtualbox is sending the F4 key. anyone have an idea how to get into the F4 "modes" menu of the installer?
[19:24] <flashram> how do i install it without a reboot is ther a level stage4 tarball ?
[19:24] <frank1e> (I'd like to do that within the GUI, not the terminal)
[19:24] <usr13> ScyllaBus: ... and then login to console mode ...
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> frank1e: what folder do you want to open?
[19:25] <flashram> ActionParsnip:  so what are the ways used without cd install ?
[19:25] <smacktalk> thanks so much llutz...that worked!
[19:25] <frank1e> ActionParsnip I need to copy several files to the folder /usr/bin with the GUI of Ubuntu.
[19:25] <flashram> to update or fresh install from 804
[19:25] <llutz> people are enabled to use sudo but don't know how to change directory in a filemanager.... uupps
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> flashram: you can boot usb, or use the mini iso and install from the web
[19:25] <flashram> isnt there a wubi for inside old linuxes ?
[19:26] <usr13> !eol | flashram
[19:26] <flashram> native-wubi ?
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> frank1e: gksudo nautilus ,copy the files then navigate to /usr/bin and paste
[19:26] <frank1e> ActionParsnip I tried, but it still says I don't have the permissions
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> flashram: wubi ois native, its just stored in a file which represents the disk in NTFS
[19:26] <usr13> frank1e: gksudo nautilus ?
[19:26] <frank1e> usr13 yes?
[19:27] <usr13> frank1e: I don't know then....
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> frank1e: you need to do it all in the nautilus running with gksudo
[19:27] <frank1e> ActionParsnip Nautilus is just some kind of invisible thing that gives permissions within the gui?
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> flashram: wubi also has not been developed for a long time. Its garbage
[19:27] <PengunCSC> ActionParsnip: isn't it gksu?
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> frank1e: why not just use: sudo cp file /usr/bin
[19:28] <ScyllaBus> Okay well I stopped lightdm service but I couldn't get a terminal when I pressed CTRL ALT T....
[19:28] <frank1e> Tried everything for about 30 minutes
[19:28] <usr13> flashram: Best to just do a regular install.
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> PengunCSC: same difference in this case
[19:28] <PengunCSC> flashram,: wubi was discontinued
[19:28] <usr13> ScyllaBus: Just login
[19:28] <frank1e> Action Parsnip okay, the files are sitting in my download folder. how would that cp command look like?
[19:28] <ScyllaBus> usr13: What's the hotkey to login?
[19:28] <jak2000> how to check if a port is opened (or blocked) ? i am interested in port 2121
[19:28] <usr13> ScyllaBus: There is no terminal, (it is console mode).
[19:29] <ScyllaBus> CTRL + ALT + ?
[19:29] <usr13> ScyllaBus: Just type in user name, hit enter, type in password, hit Enter
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> flashram: Lubuntu is a great fit for low end systems
[19:30] <llutz> jak2000: sudo iptables -vL
[19:30] <PengunCSC> jak2000: try nmap localhost in a terminal
[19:31] <flashram> whats Lubuntu again ?
[19:31] <flashram> okey what about i do a manuall install chroot etc ... howto ?
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> frank1e: sudo cp ~/Downloads/filename.ext /usr/bin
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> flashram: you dont need a chroot. You need a fresh install
[19:31] <usr13> jak2000: Example:  nmap -p22 localhost
[19:32] <flashram> manuall chroot install on usb disk and maker it bootable in grub all man,ually and lts ?
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> flashram: i dont know what you mean
[19:32] <flashram> i can just use the lts stage2 tarball a sprite it over the current ? is ther a guide ?
[19:32] <usr13> jak2000:  nmap -p2121 localhost
[19:32] <frank1e> ActionParsnip: Thanks! Last question: How do I delete a hidden folder quickly within the terminal? (folder name starts with a "." infront of the name)
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> flashram: where is this stage 2 tarball from?
[19:33] <flashram> from hackers who got tired to use cd installers
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> frank1e:  rm -r .foldername
[19:33] <flashram> its actually generated from a cdinstall
[19:33] <flashram> stage2 tarball generator
[19:33] <jak2000> PengunCSC, usr13: nmap -p2121 localhost     gave me these result: 2121/tcp closed ccproxy-ftp
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> flashram: whybwouldnulyou use something to install your OS other than the official source?
[19:34] <jak2000> then is closed, right? how to open?
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> flashram: who knows what they have put on there....
[19:34] <flashram> becuz i still use the offical install but in another format as it dont always boot the cd
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> flashram: boot usb.
[19:34] <flashram> ActionParsnip: its actually part of generator remastersys
[19:34] <flashram> internal working what it generates from cd
[19:35] <llutz> jak2000: using ufw? sudo ufw allow 2121/tcp
[19:35] <flashram> i want to add bootusb to grub
[19:35] <ActionParsnip> flashram: sounds dubious but its your system
[19:35] <usr13> jak2000: netstat -pantu
[19:35] <jak2000> llutz this command: sudo ufw allow 2121/tcp     is permanently? what happend if restart the server?
[19:35] <flashram> ActionParsnip: good that u say that ... my system is dubious ... 804 ... no gnome only background and option to create dir
[19:36] <flashram> help extraction of malware
[19:36] <llutz> jak2000: doesn't ufw store rules and reload on boot?
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> flashram: if you have a floppy drive, there are floppy images on pendrivelinux to make usb boot if the bios doesnt support it
[19:36] <flashram> grub can do it without bios
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> flashram: dubious as in, anyone could put any keyloggers or backdoors on the file
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> flashram: yes grub can boot usb, that is what the floppy is for :-)
[19:37] <flashram> indeed since im not here during the week
[19:37] <jak2000> llutz reading...  but the command: netstat -pantu not show me the port 2121 (strange)
[19:37] <flashram> i have a windows virus on disk without quarantine
[19:38] <flashram> on my linux partition that is
[19:38] <flashram> the virus just restored the files u just deleted in windows
[19:38] <llutz> jak2000: you started vsftpd, listening on 2121? sudo lsof -i :2121
[19:38] <flashram> i formated the usb in linux
[19:38] <flashram> but its still on there as it still acts funny
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> flashram: i dont see how a windows virus is anything to do with installing an OS.
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> flashram: windows viruses dont affect ubuntu.
[19:39] <jak2000> ahh ok, need restarted the vsftpd daemon thanks
[19:39] <flashram> i have wine and mono
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> flashram: then it may affect wine but again, nothing to do with installing an OS, is it?
[19:40] <flashram> ActionParsnip: just saying ther must be a reasen my gnome is gone and background only and right mouse only things working
[19:40] <flashram> no nothin to do ? happy ? thanks
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> flashram: the community will not and cannot support old releases.
[19:41] <flashram> i saying is ther a way to install lts into any kind of linu!x as a sprite tar injection ?
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> flashram: id imagine a few will.
[19:41] <flashram> how ?
[19:41] <Minty_> Hi guys. I'm finally making the switch to linux - my day job is windows applications heavy but more of my time is spent building applications and doing web development and i can't take it any longer! I'm looking for improved workflow and so here I am. I have a couple of queries ahead as I've not used linux before. 1) do drivers auto install (assuming linux has a more generic set that work for a range of hardware and peripheries)?
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> flashram: or just boot a Lubuntu install CD and install Lubuntu after removing the current install. Job done
[19:42] <flashram> what about keeping home and just install the base ?
[19:42] <Minty_> 2) is Wine the best thing of it's kind?
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: if the drivers are in a default install then yes, same as in Windows.
[19:42] <flashram> i prefer cedega
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: there is no single best solution for any one situation
[19:43] <jak2000> llutz by moment all is ok, thanks
[19:43] <flashram> or the wine-office
[19:43] <Minty_> ActionParsnip: ok, well my criteria for best is "widest supporting"
[19:43] <usr13> Minty_: Some do, not all.  Or I should say, most do.
[19:43] <LDX> Just want to say, Ubuntu is by far the best OS I have ever used. 8D
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> flashram: if you want, yes. Id delete the hidden configs so that new ones are generated for the newer versions of programs
[19:44] <usr13> Minty_: Wine is good.  WOrks for most apps, just depends though.
[19:44] <Minty_> Ok cool
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: it varys. Each solution like wine has an appdb of compatibiloty
[19:44] <Minty_> Thirdly, I'm thinking of giving my pc a total refresh either by installing a new hard disk or by using data destruction software to tally wipe this one. Am I able to burn ubuntu onto a dvd and install from a barebones system with relative ease?
[19:45] <usr13> Minty_: YOu might also be interested in VM
[19:45] <usr13> !vbox | Minty_
[19:45] <Minty_> usr13: performance sucks via VM, i'll only run that if I have to
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: just because one has more apps doesnt make it better. Wine may not cover the apps you want but cedega (for example) does. Is wine therefore better?
[19:45] <flashram> so thers no restore or staging install into an existing system then ?
[19:45] <usr13> Minty_: Yea, it depends on how much horsepower you have.
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: in your case, no as wine will not run what you want but cedega does. You seem to not understand how wine works
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: it is nothing to do with how many apps run, its the apps YOU want to run and if the solution works for YOU
[19:46] <Minty_> ActionParsnip: you're coming from a very objective way of answering a subject's question. I provided criteria so that you could have a standard as a way of assessing your objectified view of my question. My criteria was "widest support" which should be objectively read as largest # of support, nothing to do with my list of apps.
[19:47] <frank1e> ActionParsnip: Thanks
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: what if one solution supports every app except the one you want to run?
[19:47] <ScyllaBus> Just installed AMD graphics driver via Ubuntu 13.10, but now my computers are slower. I also cannot use dual monitors correctly. I looked online and was told  I needed to use amdcccle, but when I launch catalyst control center, I get "System Problem Detected".
[19:47] <ScyllaBus> Here is the fglrx-install.log: http://pastie.org/8824212
[19:47] <Minty_> ActionParsnip: then when my provision of criteria is "widest support", that premise would be irrelevant
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: i think you need to look at the application databases, then make a call. Look to see how well each runs the application you want to use
[19:48] <usr13> Minty_: An auto mechanic picks and chooses the tool he heeds for the specific task, (so do we).
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: again, there is no best.
[19:48] <Minty_> ActionParsnip: sure but that was never my question. Thanks all the same.
[19:48] <Minty_> I'm thinking of giving my pc a total refresh either by installing a new hard disk or by using data destruction software to tally wipe this one. Am I able to burn ubuntu onto a dvd and install from a barebones system with relative ease?
[19:49] <usr13> Minty_: Yes
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: absolutely. Are you throwing the old drive away?
[19:49] <Minty_> If you need an objective criteria in order to understand "relative", you can imagine explaining it to an average grandma (would that need standardising too?)
[19:49] <Minty_> ActionParsnip: not sure, why?
[19:49] <gordonjcp> Minty_: if you want to wipe the drive, a single pass of /dev/zero will do it
[19:50] <gordonjcp> Minty_: once the data is overwritten with anything even once, it's gone for good
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: if so, drive platters are very brittle and hammers are very hard
[19:50] <Minty_> gordonjcp: that's not true
[19:50] <gordonjcp> Minty_: yes, it is
[19:50] <Minty_> gordonjcp: military standard for disposal is 6 writes of 1s on every bit and then 0s.
[19:50] <gordonjcp> Minty_: waste of time
[19:51] <gordonjcp> Minty_: that might have made sense 30 years ago, but not on any drive you're ever likely to encounter
[19:51] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: once is ok now. You information is outbof date.
[19:51] <Minty_> gordonjcp: ok, odd that military still use that same process - at least in the UK
[19:51] <Minty_> fair enough, i've learnt something today - thanks!
[19:51] <gordonjcp> Minty_: yeah, stupidity mostly
[19:51] <gordonjcp> Minty_: squaddies are cheap
[19:51] <Minty_> out of interest, how easy / long would it take to do that in windows on a 1tb hdd
[19:52] <gordonjcp> Minty_: no idea if it's even possible on a 1TB hard disk.  1TB is a useful size, though.  Why dispose of it?
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: http://www.howtogeek.com/115573/htg-explains-why-you-only-have-to-wipe-a-disk-once-to-erase-it/
[19:52] <gordonjcp> bah
[19:52] <Minty_> gordonjcp: i would want to reformat after
[19:52] <gordonjcp> Minty_: sorry, incoherent.  Don't know if that's possible on *Windows*, obviously it's possible on a 1TB drive
[19:52] <gordonjcp> Minty_: I wouldn't bother zeroing it out then
[19:52] <metamorpy> seem to remember it took about 6 hours wiping a 1tb drive using dban on single run.
[19:53] <Minty_> metamorpy: thanks
[19:53] <gordonjcp> Minty_: do you actually *care* what's on the drive?
[19:53] <Minty_> gordonjcp: i want ubuntu to run on a fresh drive, i don't want to make the move but still have clutter on the disk and a free space that reads far less than 1tb
[19:53] <ActionParsnip> Doesnt a long format in windows zero it out?
[19:54] <gordonjcp> Minty_: if you're nuking everything on the drive, just create a fresh partition table
[19:54] <metamorpy> also remember that wiping a disk wears it Minty_, so more likely to fail sooner then later.
[19:54] <gordonjcp> Minty_: zero out the first block, and I bet you can't tell the difference :-D
[19:54] <Minty_> metamorpy: guess so
[19:54] <Minty_> maybe i should just buy a SSD
[19:54] <Minty_> currently on a mechanical drive
[19:54] <usr13> Minty_: It would take a while but you can speed it up a bit if you specify 1M, or more. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=1M
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> Do it overnight while you sleep :-)
[19:55] <Minty_> ok, if i compromised and didn't do a full wipe, what would be the best process to give me the 'freshest' ubuntu install?
[19:55] <usr13> Minty_: You can also use  dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdx bs=1M
[19:55] <Minty_> usr13: sorry, i have no idea what that is
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: install from CD from a non partitioned drive
[19:55] <usr13> Minty_: But if you're going to  use it yourself, why bother?
[19:56] <gordonjcp> Minty_: just follow the prompts, it'll say something like "erase everything and install Ubuntu"
[19:56] <gordonjcp> Minty_: man, stop overthinking this ;-)
[19:56] <usr13> Minty_: The installer will delete the partitions for you.
[19:56] <Minty_> gordonjcp: ok, so just use the ubuntu windows isntaller?
[19:56] <usr13> Minty_: Boot to the CD or USB, yes
[19:57] <Minty_> was just slightly wary because windows installers suck, they don't delete any partitions and they just move the old system into windows.old leaving you with 100% of the clutter
[19:57] <usr13> Minty_: ... and tell it to wipe clean which ever drive you want to use for the install.
[19:57] <gordonjcp> Minty_: make a USB installer
[19:57] <Minty_> how do i "make" that gordonjcp ?
[19:57] <gordonjcp> Minty_: don't use WUBI, it's dead now anyway
[19:58] <gordonjcp> Minty_: dd if=path/to/iso of=path/to/USB/stick bs=1M
[19:58] <CarlFK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7023783/  .config/autostart/dvsmod.desktop  doesn't work.  If i switch to gedit it works.   if I copy it to ~/Desktop and click the icon, it works. why can't I get stream_test.sh to autorun?
[19:58] <Minty_> gordonjcp: no idea what that means sorry
[19:58] <flashram> ActionParsnip: what about a binary shellscript plus ubuntu cd image to make an update forced install ?
[19:58] <usr13> Minty_: Just follow the instructions on ubuntu.com
[19:59] <gordonjcp> Minty_: so (having just done this) I just did (at a prompt) $ dd if=Downloads/ubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdf bs=1M
[19:59] <flashram> even on non supported system (non ubuntu)
[19:59] <flashram> its possible
[19:59] <gordonjcp> Minty_: what you need might be slightly different, depending on what you're running just now and where your USB drive appears
[20:00] <gordonjcp> this will clobber anything on the USB drive
[20:00] <usr13> Minty_: There are instructions as to how to set up the install media for specific needs, see:  ubuntu.com
[20:00] <jhutchins> !install
[20:00] <Beldar> Minty_, For the record windows installers have a manual install option that allows you to delete and build partitions.
[20:01] <usr13> Beldar: I thought so...
[20:01] <usr13> Beldar: I don't know about Win8, haven't been there yet.
[20:02] <Minty_> hang on, i'm getting contradictory information. It looks like the ubuntu installer for windows can replace windows - are people saying this isn't properly supported and i should create a bootable usb stick instead or not?
[20:02] <Beldar> usr13, I have it on a student purchase, really, really cheap, hehe. ;)
[20:02] <usr13> Minty_: Forget "installer for windows"  Just do a regular Ubuntu install.
[20:02] <usr13> Beldar: IC
[20:03] <jhutchins> Minty_: Yes, there has been an installer for WIndows (wubi).  No, it's not in good shape right now and if you can you should go with USB or disc install.
[20:03] <usr13> Minty_: Are you going to do a 64bit or 32bit install?
[20:03] <Minty_> jhutchins: ok thanks
[20:03] <Minty_> usr13: looks like i'll be creating a bootable usb stick with 64bit install
[20:04] <Minty_> usr13: guess this is what I want? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[20:04] <jhutchins> Minty_: We generally recommend the netinstall image, that way you only download what you actually use.
[20:04] <usr13> Minty_: Next choice is LTS or 13.10?  (I would choose LTS.)
[20:05] <usr13> !LTS | Minty_
[20:05] <michagogo|cloud> The next LTS will be 14.04
[20:05] <Minty_> usr13: LTS yea
[20:05] <michagogo|cloud> In just under 2 months
[20:06] <_gypsy_> anybody invested in bitcoin?
[20:06] <Minty_> jhutchins: what do you mean by netinstall image? compared with what?
[20:06] <Beldar> _gypsy_, Read the channel topic.
[20:06] <michagogo|cloud> _gypsy_: I feel certain the answer is yes
[20:07] <usr13> Minty_: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[20:07] <Beldar> _gypsy_, There is #ubuntu-offtopic if you like
[20:07] <jhutchins> Minty_: Should be labeled as such.
[20:07] <Minty_> usr13: yea i was looking at that
[20:08] <gordonjcp> of course, you shouldn't be using 13.10 like I am
[20:08] <_gypsy_> michagogo|cloud thanks and Beldar i was just wonderin if ubuntu had any bitcoin apps available
[20:08] <gordonjcp> not until it's out of alpha test
[20:08] <michagogo|cloud> !info electrum
[20:08] <Beldar> _gypsy_, Oh apps I believe so, not sure which myself.
[20:08] <gordonjcp> it's not really ready for release yet, it's full of crippling bugs
[20:08] <michagogo|cloud> _gypsy_: It would appear the Electrum client is in saucy
[20:08] <Minty_> usr13: does it need to be the only thing on my usb?
[20:08] <OneKorea> I have one ELF binary I'm trying to migrate, I need to find out on which ubuntu distro has been compiled, can someone take a look at it with ldd or something? I uploaded it here: http://rghost.net/52780242
[20:08] <michagogo|cloud> !info multibit
[20:08] <usr13> Minty_: It's pretty easy.  Once you get your USB stick prepaired and boot it up, you'll see.  Come back here and ask questions as you install, (if there are any), it's pretty straight forward.
[20:08] <_gypsy_> and i heard about this gsr sec kernel or something that locks down ubuntu even more for security purposes?
[20:09] <michagogo|cloud> _gypsy_: If you want a bitcoin wallet on Ubuntu, you can install electrum
[20:09] <Minty_> usr13: thanks, i appreciate that, cheers. My PC is not exactly recent so I may find i need to interrupt boot to ensure it will auto try and boot from usb
[20:09] <usr13> Minty_: Yes, you'll wipe the USB
[20:09] <_gypsy_> what?! super chill im going to look it up right now thanks!
[20:09] <bekks> OneKorea: Pastebin "ldd yourbinary" please.
[20:10] <bekks> OneKorea: And tell us, what we have to look for.
[20:10] <michagogo|cloud> _gypsy_: If you'd prefer to run bitcoin-qt, the reference client and full node in the network (warning, this involves downloading and indexing the entire blockchain, which takes time and ~17 GB) you can add the bitcoin ppa
[20:10] <michagogo|cloud> `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install bitcoin-qt`
[20:10] <OneKorea> I just need to find out which ubuntu vers compiled it....
[20:11] <bekks> OneKorea: Thats impossible.
[20:11] <_gypsy_> ive done that already just very curious in other types of wallets/clients
[20:11] <OneKorea> so I can download install that one o virtual machin
[20:11] <flashram> why must i pay for c on android ?
[20:11] <flashram> what about gnu ?
[20:11] <jhutchins> OneKorea: That info should be in the .deb package.
[20:11] <OneKorea> bekks why impossible
[20:11] <bekks> OneKorea: All you can get to know which lib versions it was compiled against.
[20:11] <_gypsy_> didnt know there was another
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> flashram: not all apps in Linux are free or opensource
[20:11] <OneKorea> there is no .deb package, I got only  binary
[20:11] <flashram> c4droid that is
[20:11] <_gypsy_> im stoked lol im gonna tell my friend right now
[20:11] <bekks> OneKorea: Which doesnt change what I just said.
[20:11] <flashram> it uses gcc so it should be free
[20:11] <jak2000> how to disable firewall?
[20:12] <_gypsy_> michagogo|cloud did you go to SCALE?
[20:12] <bekks> OneKorea: Having the lib versions, you have to look up which release fits best.
[20:12] <OneKorea> shouldn't you somehow see which version of libs has been linked against?
[20:12] <bekks> flashram: thats a wrong assumption.
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> flashram: doesnt have to be free because its based on gcc
[20:12] <jhutchins> OneKorea: I'm used to aptitude show <paclage>
[20:12] <michagogo|cloud> _gypsy_: hmm?
[20:12] <bekks> OneKorea: Thats what I just said.
[20:12] <flashram> bytheway i have never fiugured out how to buy an app on android
[20:12] <_gypsy_> linux convention
[20:12] <flashram> okey when its a phone and u got value but what if u dont use sim and use wifi
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> flashram: you can charge people for Ubuntu if you want. Its open source. You are free to do with it what you want, including sell ot
[20:12] <Minty_> usr13: how easy would it be to setup ubuntu on a separate partition and then delete the windows partition after?
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> It
[20:13] <michagogo|cloud> _gypsy_: No.
[20:13] <flashram> u can but its still free in the first place
[20:13] <bekks> flashram: wrong.
[20:13] <michagogo|cloud> _gypsy_: Also, the version of Electrum in Ubuntu's repo is not the latest, it seems
[20:13] <usr13> Minty_: I prefer xubuntu, (it is a more conventional type desktop environment), but that is just me.  See:  http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/take-the-tour  (for ubuntu)  vs http://xubuntu.org/ (for xubuntu)
[20:13] <_gypsy_> michagogo|cloud its the southern california linux convention and brought it up because they should have mentioned this in the ubuntu lecture
[20:13] <michagogo|cloud> _gypsy_: If you want the latest version, see https://electrum.org/download.html
[20:13] <flashram> bekks: whats wrong ?
[20:13] <jhutchins> Minty_: Most linux installers will set a system up to dual-boot either Windows or Linux, so yeah, easy to do that.
[20:13] <usr13> Minty_: Not hard, "to setup ubuntu on a separate partition and then delete the windows partition after"
[20:14] <bekks> flashram: the only information you get by knowing it was compiled with gcc, is the fact that it was ompiled with gcc, on a platform that gcc supports.
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> flashram: yes but the guy who has put it on the marketplace wants to charge for it, which s/he is free to do
[20:14] <flashram> i figured i can install cd to a boot partition and boot install from there
[20:14] <Minty_> jhutchins: ok, i guess what I meant was when i boot from USB, the installer can wipe windows for me - will I be able to do that as effectively once it's installed on a separate partition?
[20:14] <bekks> flashram: I'm sorry, I mixed up your comments onto two issues.
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> flashram: so 'its based on gcc' doesnt mean t should be free in any way
[20:15] <jhutchins> Minty_: Yes, you'll have a bit more complication if you want the Linux partition to take over the windows space, but it can be done.
[20:15] <flashram> in no way ?
[20:15] <bekks> flashram: In absolutely no way.
[20:15] <usr13> Minty_: But you would have to make a couple changes to Ubuntu's configurations. What would be easier is to just shrink the other partitions to only a meg or so each, (then you won't have to make any config changes).
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> flashram: again, you can charge for free software if you so desire
[20:15] <Minty_> usr13: guess so, just quite like the idea of it being fresh!
[20:15] <flashram> then whats keeping me from building my payment ubuntu ?
[20:15] <bekks> flashram: Nothing.
[20:15] <flashram> expertise !
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> flashram: ability and your own resources like time and effort
[20:16] <Minty_> usr13: ubuntu feels a little nicer looking that xubuntu (i don't use desktop icons in windows as it is!)
[20:16] <flashram> and the fact i know just nothing or nops
[20:16] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: have a look at Lubuntu too :-)
[20:16] <usr13> Minty_: You can eaily shrink the Windows partitions down and leave enough free space for the Ubuntu install and deal with them later.
[20:16] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: or Kubunti
[20:16] <ActionParsnip> Kubuntu
[20:16] <Minty_> usr13: yea guess so
[20:16] <Minty_> usr13: ok will try that first
[20:17] <Minty_> ActionParsnip: i looked at a brief comparison of ubuntu and all these others. Feel like ubuntu is the prettiest and the most social-friendly
[20:17] <usr13> Minty_: Yea, the Desktop Environment is a matter of opinion, or user preference.
[20:17] <jhutchins> Minty_: Do you have an xubuntu installation already?
[20:17] <Minty_> jhutchins: no
[20:17] <usr13> Minty_: There is also lubuntu and kubuntu
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: cool, glad you looked around a little :-)
[20:18] <majod> you can take a look at "elementary OS" too, but its built on 12.04...
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> <3 lubuntu
[20:18] <jhutchins> Minty_: You can install as many desktop environments as you want on any of the flavors, it's just a matter of which DE is installed first by default.
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> majod: the elementary community isnt that large though
[20:18] <Minty_> I guess i want to minimise the transition, i'm used to windows 7 which despite all it's faults is quite pretty and seamless (at least from a UX perspective)
[20:18] <usr13> Minty_: There are a number of other Desktop Environments as well, and you can install one and switch to another later on if you want.
[20:18] <Minty_> i'm looking forward to getting down and dirty and much more comfortable with termional
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> Minty_: kde is quite Windowsy
[20:18] <Minty_> but i'd like to retain some fancy desktop environments for a short while!
[20:18] <usr13> Minty_: The learning curve is very steep.
[20:19] <Minty_> usr13: for what? any?
[20:19] <ubuntuaddicted> trying to write a file to a smb mount and I get an error about not being able to set permissions. can anyone help me?
[20:19] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: smb/cifs does not support linux/unix permissions.
[20:19] <jhutchins> ubuntuaddicted: Just ignore it.  THe permission structure is different on an smb share.
[20:19] <Minty_> usr13: i get the impression that on linux, my pc performance and my personal workflow can be greater with more seamless transition between applications and tasks
[20:20] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: You have to set the permissions on the mount point.
[20:20] <jhutchins> bekks: Actually, it does support them if you use the extension, but easier to ignore.
[20:20] <usr13> Minty_: Correct
[20:20] <ubuntuaddicted> bekks, jhutchins usr13 i never used to receive this error though that's whats weird.
[20:21] <Minty_> usr13: but when you said steep learning curve, did you just mean the transition to linux fullstop?
[20:21] <ubuntuaddicted> did something change with cifs?
[20:21] <ubuntuaddicted> my fstab entry is as follows: //<IP_ADDRESS>/public	/mnt/circle	cifs	noexec,nounix,username=daniel,password=,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777	0	0
[20:21] <usr13> Minty_: Yea, the transition, (leaning the linux ways of doing stuff, learning your way around the new Desktop Environment(s)
[20:22] <Minty_> usr13: ok, well i reckon i'm ready! formatting usb stick now
[20:22] <keston> testing
[20:23] <tpz> grusgot
[20:23] <keston> quit
[20:23] <usr13> Minty_: Very good.
[20:25] <Minty_> usr13: oh quick thing, when i get ubuntu up and running, what's an easy irc client to use?
[20:25] <Minty_> i've heard irssi is nice
[20:25] <gordonjcp> Minty_: irssi is a command-line client, which is pretty simple and reliable
[20:26] <gordonjcp> Minty_: it's particularly handy if you run it on a server in tmux or screen
[20:26] <DJones> Minty_: Irssi is nice, but has a fair bit of a learning curve, if you want something with a typical gui interface, there is xchat which is quite nice
[20:26] <Minty_> gordonjcp: i'm just going to be on desktop ubuntu, still a good choice?
[20:27] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: So what error do you get?
[20:27] <gordonjcp> Minty_: I'd say so
[20:27] <usr13> Minty_: Oh yea, I use irssi
[20:27] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, https://picasaweb.google.com/107176979245466375817/Public#5986288585635784386
[20:27] <Minty_> DJones: ok thanks, i might download the 2 and see how I get on!
[20:27] <gordonjcp> Minty_: I have it on my server so I can disconnect from this machine here
[20:27] <Minty_> gordonjcp: usr13 thanks
[20:27] <gordonjcp> Minty_: and then reconnect from this other machine here
[20:28] <Minty_> gordonjcp: think irssi has built in bouncer anyway?
[20:28] <gordonjcp> Minty_: not sure
[20:28] <ubuntuaddicted> i'd also like to just have it auto mount, i used to just use fstab but i was getting issues with it actually halting boot up because it couldn't be mounted. so i changed it to user, which i believe means i have to manually mount it after the machine boots up
[20:29] <Minty_> ubuntu iso taking 12 hours to install :O
[20:29] <Minty_> something wrong with download server atm?
[20:29] <gordonjcp> you might have a crappy mirror
[20:29] <gordonjcp> get a torrent
[20:29] <bekks> an iso inst installed. Just use another mirror to download.
[20:30] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: What is that supposed to be?  (The URL you just sent.)
[20:30] <Minty_> yea sounds like a badddd mirror
[20:30] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, that's the error i get. it's a picture
[20:30] <Minty_> the iso's don't seem to be easy to find from the ubuntu site, am i being blind?
[20:30] <bekks> Minty_: cdimages.ubuntu.com
[20:30] <Minty_> thanks
[20:31] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Oh, down at the bottom?  (Where it says "Error getting permissions" "no such file or directory" "Do you want to skip it?")  ???
[20:31] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, yes
[20:32] <ubuntuaddicted> something with smbfs or cifs must have changed.
[20:32] <ubuntuaddicted> cause it started happening after I switched from 12.04 to 13.10
[20:32] <Minty_> i'm on 64 bit intel, is this what I want usr13 http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/ubuntu-12.04.4-dvd-i386.iso ?
[20:32] <bekks> Minty_: No.
[20:32] <Minty_> bekks: oh, which one do I want?
[20:32] <bekks> Minty_: you want the amd64 flavour.
[20:32] <usr13> !paste | ubuntuaddicted
[20:33] <Minty_> bekks: how come?
[20:33] <jhutchins> Minty_: Again, netinstall iso.  The DVD is going to take a long time to download.
[20:33] <bekks> Minty_: Because you have 64bit hardware.
[20:33] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Yea, smbfs has been replaced by cifs
[20:33] <Minty_> jhutchins: i'm not sure what that means
[20:33] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, pretty sure i had cifs in 12.04
[20:33] <llutz> Minty_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
[20:33] <Minty_> jhutchins: i'm just going to format usb stick so i can boot from it with the correct ISO on it
[20:34] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Yea, it was changed some time ago.
[20:34] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: mount | pastebinit   #Show is the URL
[20:34] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, so that can't be it. something else must have changed because i never used to receive the error before. it's annoying. its still writing the file at least
[20:35] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Yea, show us the output of mount
[20:35] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7023964/
[20:35] <Minty_> bekks: what does jhutchins mean about netinstall vs http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.4/release/ubuntu-12.04.4-dvd-amd64.iso
[20:36] <llutz> !mini  | Minty_
[20:36] <bekks> Minty_: He told you to not download the dvd, but the amd64 netinstall iso.
[20:36] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: ls -l /mnt/circle
[20:36] <Minty_> bekks: was i ever downloading the dvd? is http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.4/release/ubuntu-12.04.4-dvd-amd64.iso what I want?
[20:36] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: ls -ld /mnt/circle
[20:37] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, drwxrwxrwx 2 daniel daniel 0 Mar  2 14:18 /mnt/circle/
[20:37] <bekks> Minty_: Read the name of the iso carefully, and noticy_ the "dvd".
[20:37] <bekks> *notice
[20:37] <Minty_> bekks: ah i see
[20:38] <Minty_> bekks: all the other 64bit files have mac in their name
[20:38] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, sorry, those results are from the wrong client
[20:38] <usr13> Minty_: You don't find  ubuntu-12.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso   there?
[20:39] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, this is from the correct client. the current machine i'm sitting at. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7023975/
[20:39] <Minty_> usr13: no that's not there
[20:39] <Minty_> usr13: unless 12.04.4 is mac / win 32 bit only
[20:39] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, and here's ls -ld drwxrwxrwx 2 ubu ubu 0 Mar  2 14:18 /mnt/circle/
[20:40] <Minty_> usr :| could you helpm me find the correct version please? http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.4/release/
[20:40] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Looks the same.  Accept for the mount point.  Is ubu  the correct user name?
[20:40] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Are you logged in as ubu?
[20:41] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, yes
[20:41] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: pastebinit /etc/fstab
[20:42] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: ls -l /mnt/circle/ |pastebinit
[20:42] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, ubu is the username for my main workstation. daniel is the username on my server. the smb mount which is giving me issues is a western digital my book world edition NAS.
[20:42] <Minty_> bekks: is this what I want? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[20:42] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, not sure why you need to see the contents of the folder.
[20:42] <Joshun> hi
[20:42] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: So is this share on a Linux server?  Or a MS Windows server?
[20:42] <Joshun> anyone found any issue printing landscape in libreoffice?
[20:42] <Minty_> eugh, why is this so difficult to find the right file to put on the usb stick
[20:43] <jhutchins> Minty_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[20:43] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, the share in question is on the Western Digitial  NAS
[20:43] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: What OS is running on the server?
[20:43] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, no idea, it's a NAS by western digital
[20:44] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, the first results i gave you were from the wrong machine, that's when i  was ssh'd into my server. just forget about that
[20:44] <Minty_> jhutchins: thanks
[20:45] <nszceta> I would like to build a server cluster that serves 100 PCs with Windows 7 x64 instances served over the network to rdesktop terminals. I would appreciate any suggestions or insights on this matter. I have 10 years of experience with Linux but not so much experience with cloud deployments.
[20:46] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: You do not know what operating system is running on the server?
[20:46] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Is the server running Linux?  Or, is the server running MS Windows? Or is it something else?  (Do you know?)
[20:47] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, i've said 3 times. it's a western digital  my book world edition NAS
[20:47] <Minty_> jhutchins: i downloaded mini.iso but for some reason the file doesn't show up in the file explorer under ISO files (using the uiniversal usb installer)
[20:48] <Minty_> when i downloaded it windows disc burner loaded, do i need to burn it?
[20:48] <usr13> Does anyone understand what ubuntuaddicted is trying to say?  (Sorry, but I'm lost here.)
[20:48] <Minty_> that would be stupid of me...
[20:49] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, do you know what a NAS is?
[20:49] <nszceta> I didn't know Western Digital made NAS
[20:49] <llutz> usr13: his NAS has an embedded OS, most likely a special linux on it
[20:49] <usr13> llutz: It's linux ?
[20:49] <ubuntuaddicted> nothing has changed on the NAS
[20:50] <ubuntuaddicted> something changed from xubuntu 12.04 to xubuntu 13.10 as far as cifs mounts
[20:50] <Minty_> jhutchins: usr13 any ideas why i can't browse the ISO? http://screencast.com/t/bQK8MJEs
[20:50] <usr13> llutz: So why is it a samba share?  Why wouldn't it be using nfs?
[20:50] <llutz> usr13: you'd better ask WesternDigital
[20:51] <hello> Hello guys. I'm new to ubuntu and today I decided to install it, using USB drive. First I checked if it works fine as LiveCD and it was good. I liked it. So I decided to erase my windows and install ubuntu. At some point installation crashed and now I don't have any OS... I still want to use Ubuntu, but I have no idea what to do. Any help?
[20:51] <usr13> !grub | hello
[20:51] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, because western digital sells a product that can be used with many different OS's where as NFS is not that common for windows users
[20:52] <gordonjcp> hello: start installing again
[20:52] <Minty_> Guys, would really appreciate some help here, just wanting to get this iso onto the usb so i can boot from usb
[20:53] <gordonjcp> Minty_: well, what OS are you running just now?
[20:53] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Without more information, I can not tell what the problem is.  Should work but I don't know how to fix it, (because I don't know what is wrong, not enough infomation).
[20:53] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, ok, thanks anyway
[20:53] <Minty_> gordonjcp: windows 7 but that's what the guide on the ubuntu help page for using this universal usb installer is
  Tried installing few times; doesn't work
[20:53] <gordonjcp> Minty_: oh, no idea then, I've never used it
[20:53] <usr13> hello: Did you allow grub to be written to the MBR?
[20:53] <gordonjcp> hello: what sort of "doesn't work"?
[20:54] <hello> it crashes and says sorry
[20:54] <bekks> !usb | Minty_
[20:54] <usr13> hello: What happens when you try to boot?
[20:54] <hello> I'm using LiveCD now and it's pretty fine
[20:54] <hello> but I do want it on my HDD
[20:55] <llutz> Minty_: doesn't the usb-isntaller have an option like "not listed distribution iso" instead of ubuntu?
[20:55] <Minty_> bekks: that what i am doing
[20:55] <usr13> hello: Did you go through the install process?
[20:55] <llutz> Minty_: also look "local iso selected"
[20:55] <Minty_> bekks: look at http://screencast.com/t/bQK8MJEs
  yes, but it crashes as some file is corrupted
[20:56] <usr13> Minty_: "Select your ubuntu *desktop*.iso"
[20:57] <usr13> Minty_: Did you click [Browse] ?
[20:57] <Minty_> usr13: mine is called mini.iso because i was advised to download the netinstall
[20:57] <usr13> Minty_: If you have a fast internet connection, the netinstall is fine.
[20:57] <Minty_> usr13: renamed it to desktop.iso and no change. don't see how the universal usb installer could stop certain named files appearing from a windows explorer window anyway - the only filter is .iso files which this is
[20:57] <usr13> Minty_: And looks like it's in Downloads/
[20:58] <Minty_> usr13: yes i clicked browse and nothing comes up
[20:58] <Minty_> usr13: yea that's where i'm looking
[20:59] <Minty_> usr13: did you see the screenshot showing the file when i look in windows explorer but then not appearing in the browse option of this universal driver. This is madness :|
[20:59] <usr13> Minty_: Well, we can't see the rest of the window. But if that is it where it says "No items match your search", well, I dono what you searched for... so...
[20:59] <Minty_> usr, that is the window opened by the browse button... the screenshot shows it is there but it can't find it
[20:59] <llutz> Minty_: scroll down the step1: list  to the end "not listed iso"
[21:00] <usr13> Minty_: I dono.  Close it all down and try again.
[21:00] <Minty_> llutz: genius, thank you
[21:00] <Minty_> llutz: should i tick format drive?
[21:00] <inad922> hello
[21:00] <llutz> Minty_: no idea
[21:00] <inad922> How can I list the running services with supervisorctl?
[21:01] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, if you're curious i have this model., http://www.wdc.com/en/library/usb/2779-701026.pdf?wdc_lang=en
[21:01] <usr13> Minty_: Not being windows users, we may not be the best ones to ask.... ;(
[21:01] <Minty_> usr13: ok no worries - hopeully i won't be for long!
[21:01] <Minty_> hurray installation process complete
[21:01] <Minty_> here goes the boot... brb wish me luck
[21:02] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: pastebinit /etc/fstab  #Show us the resulting URL
[21:03] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7024094/
[21:03] <hello> hey, does anyone know what do I do?
[21:04] <bekks> hello: No, our glass orbs are on weekend vacation, still.
[21:04] <hello> bekks that's sad. I did describe my problem though
[21:05] <bekks> hello: And we still dont know what you are doing. ;)
[21:05] <bekks> hello: And you have to describe "dont work" - still.
[21:06] <hello> bekks doesn't work means I go through all phases of installation process, except for the last, where it crashes with no explanations
[21:08] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Ok, not being able to see the output of ls -l /mnt/circle  I do not know what is what or how it is really mounted, (kind of like being in the dark here), but if you just look at it yourself and see if you can tell something about it...or relay to us what to you looks out of place.  Wait, I know... try this:  touch /mnt/circle/test.file;ls /mnt/circle/test.file
[21:08] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Tell us what that says...
[21:09] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: ls -l /mntycircle/test.file
[21:09] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: ls -l /mnt/circle/test.file   typo...
[21:10] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: DO you get an error of some sort?  Or....?
[21:11] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, no error. only an error when using thunar
[21:11] <macpool> how can i restrict access to all but one page in nginx
[21:11] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: No error?  Well, it is working then, It is mountable and readable and writeable.  Right?
[21:11] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, i did touch /mnt/circle/test1234.txt and this is the result. -rwxrwxrwx 0 ubu  ubu           0 Mar  2 15:10 test1234.txt
[21:12] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, yes BUT i get the error when I paste a file using thunar
[21:12] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: So, I guess you have a problem with thunar?
[21:12] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, guess so
[21:12] <sv2241_> hi. I'm installing MAAS in 12.04 LTS by following the official documentation (https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/install.html). I'm getting an error while importing the boot images --> maas my-maas-session node-groups import-boot-images OUTPUT: Unknown command: 'my-maas-session' Type 'django-admin help' for usage. Help.......
[21:12] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Try drag and drop
[21:12] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: (from one thunar window to another)
[21:13] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, same error. can't set permissions
[21:13] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Or from the main window to the share on the left bar.
[21:13] <hoihe> Is there anyone who played Mount and Blade Warband using Wine?
[21:13] <hoihe> I'm trying to find out how to make the launcher recognise a module I'm intending to play
[21:13] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Ok, well that doesn't make any sense.  Maybe ask in #xfce
[21:14] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, ok
[21:14] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, thanks for trying
[21:14] <jak2000> i follow this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postfix.html when try (on same server) telnet itsol.mx 25 i get these results:    http://pastebin.com/F76Af4kZ   any advice?
[21:15] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Well, the part about "can't set permissions" makes sense if it is a nfs filesystem or vfat
[21:15] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: See, I don't know what the OS is on the server... so...
[21:16] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, as llutz said it's basically linux.
[21:17] <YamakasY_> can I add my own packages to my local apt-mirror ?
[21:17] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: I meant ntfs not nfs
[21:17] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, it's just an embedded linux
[21:17] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, similarly to what runs on routers
[21:17] <sv2241_> anyone familiar with MAAS?
[21:18] <macpool> how can i restrict access to all but one page in nginx?
[21:18] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Well, it could be linux but the files could still be on vfat or ntfs file system.
[21:19] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, i believe it's vfat but i don't know. as I said, i never used to get this error with thunar in xubuntu 12.04
[21:19] <Minty_> Hi, i'm at the early parts of the boot from usb install. Configuring the DCHP network failed. How can I troubleshoot this?
[21:20] <demianb> Wifi or cable?
[21:20] <Minty_> I'm not sure which information is necessary so a brief overview; this is a home desktop pc that is connected via ethernet to a router which is connected to another router.
[21:20] <Minty_> cable
[21:20] <Minty_> The router my pc is connected to has a reserved ip and so does the computer itself
[21:20] <demianb> If you have two routers, problem could be that you have both acting as DHCP server (which is not allowed in a single LAN)
[21:21] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: And you are on what now?  12.10?
[21:21] <Minty_> demianb: how can i tell the router connected to my pc not to act as a dchp server?
[21:21] <demianb> log onto it by its IP web interface and go through settings, it should have the option to disable DHCP
[21:21] <Minty_> demianb: ok thanks
[21:22] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, here's the permissions of the NAS. http://imagebin.org/296737
[21:22] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Is it fully updated? (I'm thinking its a bug in the newer version of thunar, maybe?)
[21:22] <Minty_> demianb: i wonder if that might explain why my wifi keeps dropping out but ethernet is fine
[21:23] <demianb> Minty_, Could be. So just make sure one of the two has DHCP. Doesnt really matter which one, in most cases.
[21:23] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, must be and yes, i'm running the latest thunar. well, whatever thunar is in xubuntu 13.10
[21:23] <Ackis> I think I messed up quite a bit, I read somewhere that for NFS you want to try and make your uid/gid's match, so I went through and manually edited me /etc/passwd file and now "shit is broken".. my headless server is hanging for no apparent reason (I can't even ssh into it), and I'm not seeing anything obvious in the error log file
[21:23] <Minty_> demianb: ok great thanks, will leave the "main" router as dchp and turn dchp on mine off
[21:23] <demianb> The one closest to your ISP connection I suppose.
[21:23] <Minty_> demianb: the only reason i had my router dchp on is so that i could set reserved ip for my pc because there are port forwarding rules that are set in both routers for my specific pc ip
[21:24] <Minty_> router 1 (nearest to isp) currently has reserved ip for my router and then my router has reserved ip setup for my pc with port forwarding rules for my pc on router 1. Am i doing something wrong there?
[21:24] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: So you re-installed with 13.10, (and before that you have 12.04). Right>?
[21:25] <demianb> Minty_, Because each device has their own IP, you should be able to reserve IPs on the 1st router. The 2nd router (with dhcp disabled) should only act as a switch.
[21:25] <Minty_> demianb: ok great, will do that now, thanks
[21:25] <demianb> good luck.
[21:25] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: So this is a fresh install of 13.10?  Is it fully updated?
[21:25] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, i did a fresh install of 13.10 and started getting the problem. i was previously using 12.04.4
[21:25] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, yes and yes
[21:25] <raj_> I wasn't getting any logs written to log files under /var/log on my fresh 12.04 install & figured out that rsyslog was not installed .. after install.. logs are getting written.. does this mean that I need to manually install rsyslog inorder to get the logs written ??
[21:26] <sit0> Ubuntu - An african word meaning can't install Debian
[21:26] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, i have a thread started here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2207203
[21:27] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Well, you might try pacman
[21:27] <raj_> do I need to manually install rsyslog to get the logs written on 12.04 server ?
[21:27] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Did you ask the folks on #xfce ?
[21:28] <Minty_> demianb: dam :( network configuration still failed. would i have needed to reboot pc too?
[21:28] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Or konqueror
[21:29] <demianb> Minty_, Always worth a shot to reboot. I would even try and give the routers a reboot, after saving the new settings... just to make sure they all read eachother properly.
[21:29] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: See if you can get along with pacman or knoqueror until someone figures out what the deal is with thunar.
[21:29] <Minty_> demianb: well i made no changes to router 1 but rebooted router 2 and the pc. fingers crossed
[21:30] <Minty_> demianb: thanks for the help so far!
[21:30] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: I know what;  Run thunar from a terminal and maybe you'll get some errors in the terminal window that will tell you something more about what the problem is.
[21:30] <demianb> Should be okay. The PC asks for IP and the dhcp server gives a response. The now inactive router will not give such a response (previously you had a collision of dhcp servers).
[21:30] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, that's a good idea.
[21:31] <Minty_> demianb: sucks :( still failed
[21:31] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, nevermind, it doesn't remain running, it just opens thunar and starts a fresh line
[21:31] <demianb> Minty_, is the PC configured to receive IP by dhcp or is it manually set ?
[21:32] <Minty_> demianb: hmm, not sure. damn i think i set it manually actually. do i need to boot back into windows and change that to auto-get?
[21:32] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: Yea, well, I guess you'd have run strace and write to a file but that may not tell you anything either
[21:32] <gamoholic> Windows has nothing do with your settings in Ubuntu :)
[21:33] <demianb> Minty_, no. If you're talking about Ubuntu installer, it should be set to dhcp.
[21:33] <Minty_> demianb: i'm running the install from bootable usb
[21:33] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: You could try though.  strace -o thunar.log thuna
[21:33] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, it's just annoying but doesn't prevent me from writing to the share
[21:33] <demianb> Possibly your router has the PCs MAC address reserved.
[21:33] <demianb> Can you check for that?
[21:33] <usr13> ubuntuaddicted: I left off the r
[21:34] <Minty_> demianb: yea, i'll check. it was previously reserved from router 2 but i removed that rule and then disabled dchp on that router.
[21:34] <llutz> demianb: even the MAC won't change when booting the installer-cd
[21:34] <demianb> Minty_, Find out your PCs LAN card MAC address, then search for it in your router settings to see if it has an entry somewhere.
[21:34] <ubuntuaddicted> usr13, ok. gotta run for now. thanks for trying to help
[21:34] <demianb> llutz, Aye. MAC doesnt change by itself.
[21:34] <Minty_> demianb: the only reserved rule in router 1 is my router2
[21:34] <wallyp> clear
[21:35] <usr13> Minty_: What's the problem?
[21:35] <Minty_> demianb: my pc is connected to router2 (in windows, i had it set as fixed ip). I'm now trying to install from bootable usb drive but all this network configuration etc. is before choosing a partition so could my windows fixed-ip setting be affecting this?
[21:35] <usr13> Minty_: Not getting a network connection during the install?
[21:35] <Minty_> usr13: network autoconfiguration failing
[21:35] <demianb> usr13, His PC isnt getting a network connection during Ubuntu install from CD.
[21:36] <demianb> Minty_, Only thing that could be 'stuck' is the router holding onto the propogated IP (that was set by Windows).
[21:36] <usr13> Minty_: Ctrl-ALt-F6   #Login or just hit enter, and set up the network with ifconfig
[21:36] <Minty_> just to eliminate the chance, i'm just booting into windows now (my only partition) and i will remove the fixed ip
[21:36] <Pingless> evening all
[21:36] <Minty_> demianb: usr13 do i need to create a new partition in windows or will the installer have that capability?
[21:37] <demianb> Installer does that pretty well.
[21:37] <llutz> Minty_: that makes no sense at all. windows network settings doesn't affect linux installer
[21:37] <Pingless> I'm having trouble with Radeon HD4550 drivers on a fresh 12.04 LTS install
[21:37] <usr13> Minty_: ifconfig eth0 192.168.x.x ; route add default gw 192.168.x.x
[21:37] <Minty_> usr13: hold up, too fast for me, 1 sec just rebooting
[21:37] <Pingless> I can't find any matching drivers when I select "additional drivers", but the live CD had them
[21:38] <usr13> Minty_: Problem is that you don't have DHCP server running on your router?
[21:38] <odium> I cannot seem to get a usb jump drive to work as my installation media and I am to poor to buy blank dvds. Can I copy my working system over to my new drive somehow?
[21:39] <Minty_> usr13: no i do. i previously had it running on both (i have router 1 that is nearest ISP) then i have a second router in my room and my pc is connected to that second router
[21:39] <Spynxic> anyone have experience developing visualizations specifically for music?
[21:39] <Minty_> usr13: demianb suggested that there was a dchp collision which was causing the problem
[21:39] <Minty_> so i disabled dchp from router 2 and problem still persisting but i'm jusdt rebooting everything to be sure
[21:39] <demianb> Yeah, and keep in mind Im only trying to help from a network perspective as I dont have enough knowledge of Linux.
[21:40] <usr13> Minty_: Oh yea, you can only have one dhcp sever running on a network.
[21:40] <Minty_> usr13: demianb ah hang on. now that router 1 is the dchp server, does my pc need to have the ipv4 default gateway pointed at router 1, not 2?
[21:41] <usr13> Minty_: But if you trun off the dhcp server on the gateway router, you'd have to plug it into a LAN port of the other one.
[21:41] <Pingless> has anyone managed to get an ATI HD4xxx running on 12.04? I've been struggling all day, it looks like Ubuntu isn't even seeing the card
[21:41] <demianb> Minty_, Aye. Point it to the active dhcp.
[21:41] <Minty_> hold up guys, which 1 is it?
[21:41] <Minty_> usr13: my pc is ethernet connected to router 2 which in turn is ethernet connected to router 1
[21:41] <Bashing-om> Pingless: AMD has relagated that series of cards to lagacy, and no longer supports them. 2 options, stay with open source, or install ubuntu legacy release 12.04.1 (other solutuons are NOT recommended).
[21:42] <usr13> (The one whith the dhcp server off), In other words, leave the DHCP server running on the gateway router, turn it off on the second one.
[21:42] <Minty_> i'm in a shared house and router 2 is in my room just for my stuff so it must be router 1 that is the dchp server otherwise i'd cause other people problems
[21:42] <Pingless> Bashing-om: I'd love to stay with open source, but at the moment all I have is the default graphics driver which gives me 1024x768 and duplicated screens
[21:42] <Minty_> usr13: in light of what i just said, would i need to find another solution?
[21:42] <cloneG> hello would anybody know how to fix this?:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2164434
[21:42] <Pingless> Bashing-om: I can't seem to get the open source driver installed
[21:42] <cloneG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2164434
[21:43] <Minty_> demianb: so is it possible for my pc to have it's default gateway pointed to router 1?
[21:43] <usr13> Minty_: I don't know what you have. At any rate, you just need to plug into a live internet connection.
[21:43] <Minty_> my pc has internet access at the moment btw if that has any implications
[21:43] <demianb> Minty_, In settings it should point to your dhcp router.
[21:43] <Minty_> i'm currently in windows on my pc and it connects fine
[21:43] <demianb> Nevermind the cabling sequence. The 2nd router is only an extension of your cable.
[21:43] <Bashing-om> Pingless: If you want to use the proprietary AMD/ATI driver, install Ubuntu 12.04.1: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/
[21:44] <cloneG> google earth posts this when trying to reload a blank picture in the map: 404. That’s an error.
[21:44] <cloneG> The requested URL / was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
[21:44] <bkfitz> anyone know a good free web proxy...
[21:44] <Bashing-om> Pingless: If ya want to use the present install, we can work on getting the open source driver properly installed, your call.
[21:44] <demianb> Minty_, Can you check in windows what the settings are? Is it automated, or is it manual? And which is the default gateway?
[21:44] <usr13> bkfitz: squid
[21:45] <usr13> !squid | bkfitz
[21:45] <Pingless> Bashing-om: I'd appreciate help on getting the open source driver installed. I'm not intending to do any 3D gaming.
[21:45] <Minty_> demianb: so i'm not sure if this has any implications but i've just booted into windows on my pc and i've ensured that both ipv4 and ipv6 are obtained automatically. My pc re-resolved and it is currently identifying
[21:45] <bkfitz> is that a sudo-apt get install?
[21:45] <bkfitz> ppas included in 12.04
[21:46] <usr13> Minty_: Check to see what IP address it is using, (and what gateway IP).
[21:46] <demianb> Minty_, Thats fine it tells us the routers are set OK. Now you need to make it work in your Ubuntu installer..
[21:46] <Minty_> demainb: right it re-resolved and now it's connecting to the internet and shows as all connected but can't access the web, i guess this means it's looking for an ip from the default ipv4 gateway; router 2 and not getting 1, right?
[21:46] <Bashing-om> Pingless: I run an old ATI card on my box, open source driver, runs 3D quite well. ! .. We work on yours !
[21:46] <macpool> here is my nginx config file http://p.ngx.cc/ea966ff6d5017439
[21:46] <macpool> i need to allow access to home page
[21:46] <Minty_> demianb: usr13 default gateway is blank
[21:46] <macpool> how?
[21:46] <usr13> Minty_: ... but if the MS Windows PC connects, there is no reason the Ubuntu one wont.
[21:46] <Minty_> usr13: it doesn't now that i removed the static ip rule
[21:47] <Pingless> Bashing-om: I've got a Windows install for my gaming needs ;) Where do we start?
[21:47] <demianb> Blank is not good. default gateway should be your dhcp router.
[21:47] <Minty_> usr13: previously router1 and router2 had dchp enabled. router1 had reserved ip for router2 and router2 had reserved ip for pc. pc also had static ip set in network adapter settings
[21:47] <Minty_> i have now turned dchp off on router 2 and i have removed static ip from pc and it now shows as connected but i have no internet access and default gateway is blank
[21:47] <Minty_> what next?
[21:47] <gamoholic> Minty_: Why do you have 2 routers?
[21:48] <Minty_> gamoholic: shared house - but that's really not my #1 right now!
[21:48] <usr13> Minty_: Yea, why 2 routers?
[21:48] <Bashing-om> Pingless: To start, let's see what is pastebin -> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga ; sudo lshw -C display <-.
[21:48] <Minty_> demianb: ipv4 connectivity: internet. ipv6 connectivity: no internet access
[21:48] <demianb> Minty_, open cmd and do a 'ipconfig /renew all' to fresh things up a bit. OMG windows support in #ubuntu :p
[21:49] <gamoholic> What is connected to #1? I think #2 would be the better choice for the DHCP server
[21:49] <Minty_> demianb: "The operation failed as no adapter is in the state permissable for this operation"
[21:49] <demianb> iconfig /release all
[21:49] <Minty_> gamoholic: can't do that because everyone else is connected to router 1
[21:49] <gamoholic> Oh
[21:49] <Minty_> ipv6 is that lan?
[21:49] <Pingless> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/H5b17B70
[21:50] <usr13> Minty_: If you plug the gateway router into the secondary router's WAN port, leave secondary router's DHCP server on too.  If you want to turn off the DHCP server on the secondary router, plug the gateway router into one of it's LAN ports.
[21:50] <demianb> Two routers is sometimes a solution because of lack of a switch
[21:50] <bkfitz> usr13, is that a proxy that I can use, or run?
[21:50] <usr13> bkfitz: yes
[21:50] <demianb> IPv6 is not really necessary. You can turn that off if you want to troubleshoot stuff.
[21:51] <Bashing-om> Pingless: looking at your H5b17B70 paste.
[21:51] <Minty_> demianb: well currently ipv4 connectivity says "Internet" but ipv6 says "No Internet Access"
[21:51] <usr13> Minty_: You do not need ipv6
[21:51] <bkfitz> usr13, so if i wanted to make my ip look like I'm in another state, that would work
[21:51] <demianb> IPv6 is cute but almost nobody uses it.
[21:51] <Minty_> ok so ipv4 says internet and control panel shows me connected to a network, allbeit "Unidentified" but i have no router access
[21:51] <Minty_> ipconfig /all reveals a blank default gateway
[21:51] <bkfitz> usr13, trying to access something that is geoip restricted
[21:51] <llutz> Minty_: your network setup worked before, ubuntu-installer in same setup gets no IP. i'd checked if the installer has any issues with your network-device before rearanging all your routers
[21:52] <Minty_> llutz: but dchp server active on 2 routers within 1 network is harmful anyway right? so i might be just fixing 2 problems here
[21:52] <usr13> bkfitz: That's not really the purpose for a proxy
[21:52] <llutz> Minty_: as you see, you're fixing nothing atm
[21:52] <demianb> Minty_, Assuming you know your way around windows, you should be able to open your ethernet settings and configure dhcp to either manual or automatic. Automatic should have it find your dhcp router by itself, and it should not be blank as such.
[21:53] <Minty_> demianb: I do. ipv4 and ipv6 are definitely set to obtain ip address automatically
[21:53] <bkfitz> usr13, what is the purpose of a proxy
[21:53] <usr13> Minty_: Read what I said before.  If you plug gateway router into the secondary router's WAN port, you can leave the DHCP server on.
[21:53] <bkfitz> usr13, route traffic
[21:53] <bkfitz> usr13, in my case so that the referrer is somewhere else
[21:53] <usr13> bkfitz: yes
[21:53] <bkfitz> usr13, yes
[21:54] <usr13> bkfitz: To do what you want to do, you need to  use a proxy elsewhere.
[21:54] <bkfitz> usr13, right...
[21:54] <Minty_> usr13: just to confirm by rewording it in a way i understand! if i move the connection coming into router2 from the lan port into one of the wan ports, i can leave dchp enabled on router2?
[21:54] <demianb> Something just occured to me.. Your static IP settings for those two routers could be wrong, resulting in bad subnet on your 2nd router. Do any of the other PCs connected to your 2nd router have internet access?
[21:55] <usr13> bkfitz: http://www.hidemyass.com/proxy-list/4
[21:55] <Minty_> demianb: yes, the laptop that i'm currently typing on
[21:55] <Minty_> demianb: this laptop is connected to router2 via wireless
[21:55] <demianb> Okay.
[21:55] <Minty_> demianb: so what should i be doing right now? my pc's default gateway is blank
[21:55] <Minty_> demianb: shall i try rebooting router1?
[21:56] <demianb> Im thinking.. :p
[21:56] <Minty_> ok :P
[21:56] <Minty_> my laptop never had a reserved ip but it's working fine now even since router 2 had dchp turned off
[21:56] <majod> hmm does anyone know why ubuntu firefox plays only 360p html5 on youtube and windows shows 720p on the same video?
[21:56] <Minty_> so the problem seems to be a combination of my pc and it's previously reserved ip.
[21:56] <usr13> Minty_: If your gateway router is set up properly, (and is giving out proper IP inforation to it's clients), you should be ok to just run a cat5 cable from one of it's LAN ports to the WAN port of the second router and leve it set to dhcp, (for both LAN and WAN).
[21:57] <demianb> Meanwhile you could give usr13 s method a try, and enabling dhcp on the 2nd router again.. elbeit unorthodox IMO, but I am curious to see what happens..
[21:57] <Bashing-om> Pingless: Open source driver is loaded, is the only problem you are experiencing a resolution issue ?
[21:57] <Minty_> ok, i will reboot everything once first just to make sure
[21:57] <raj_> " kernel: Cannot read proc file system: 1 - Operation not permitted. " getting these messages repeated, unstoppingly million times every minute in my syslog
[21:57] <Minty_> then i will try that if still failing
[21:57] <Minty_> brb
[21:57] <bkfitz> usr13, yeah... not once have i had any luck with proxies listed on that site
[21:58] <gamoholic> majod: It is probably a driver thing. What is the model number of your GPU?
[21:58] <agopas> I'm using X2go to connect to a remote Ubuntu 12.04LTS desktop. I was using Firefox, but accidentally dragged it out of view of the X2Go client window. Since I didn't turn on alt+tab in X2go by default, I don't know how to get it back!
[21:58] <usr13> Minty_: But if you know of an IP address that is not being used yet, you can set your PC to it and see if you can ping the router.  If you can set it as the default gateway and then see if you can ping <IP_ADDRESS>, if you can set that as your nameserver.
[21:59] <majod> gamoholic: do you think its about x264? im in vmware :)
[21:59] <Pingless> Bashing-om: lol, just as you asked that I got a message that there was a segfault in /usr/lib/gnome-desktop3/check_gl_texture_size. Other than that, my main problem is that the "Display" settings won't let me select a resolution higher than 1024x768, and won't let me dual-screen.
[21:59] <gamoholic> Virtual machines do not have very powerful GPUs. I don't think you will be able to watch HD video in them.
[22:00] <basketball> how do i open my fstab file using geane
[22:00] <majod> nah, 1080p mkvs run just fine, but i guess its not hw accelerated
[22:00] <gamoholic> majod: Do you have the VMWare tools (or whatever they are called) installed? They are called Guest Additions in VirtualBox
[22:00] <majod> yes
[22:00] <usr13> Minty_: You need an IP address, (that is in the subnet the router uses). You need a "default gateway IP", (that is the router's inside IP), and you need a nameserver IP, (<IP_ADDRESS> will do).
[22:01] <majod> gamoholic: even google earth runs smoothly
[22:01] <gamoholic> Does it not give you the option for 720p at all?
[22:01] <majod> well, i enabled the html5 option on youtube in firefox 27, this video for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CACbekH2RrY
[22:02] <Bublik2002> how do i make the unity bar on the left hand side hide?
[22:02] <majod> shows only 360p option in ubuntu....in windows there is also 720p
[22:02] <wjtaylor> anyone using calibre?
[22:02] <gvo> wjtaylor: yes
[22:02] <agopas> Is there a keyboard shortcut that can restore the window to a visible location?
[22:02] <gvo> read lj with it.
[22:02] <Beldar> wjtaylor, Works better here if you ask the question. ;)
[22:02] <wjtaylor> gvo: have you successfully installed the ios reader plugin?
[22:03] <Guest96983> i use calibre
[22:03] <Minty_> demianb: so i rebooted everything. laptop has reconnected fine connected to router 2
[22:03] <gvo> ios is apple?  I don't use anything that has to do with apple
[22:03] <wjtaylor> I installed the latest calibre via PPA and cannot install the ios reader plugin.
[22:03] <Minty_> pc won't connect to internet (via ethernet)
[22:03] <Bashing-om> Pingless: Well, shoot, adjusting reso;ution is a long way out of my experience, but, what returns from -> xrandr <-, to show what the card supports.
[22:03] <wjtaylor> gvo: Apple has gone the way of microsoft
[22:04] <Minty_> it appears that my pc can't get local ip
[22:04] <gvo> wtaylor: they had a head start on MS.
[22:04] <Minty_> subnet mask looks odd; <IP_ADDRESS> (isn't it normally <IP_ADDRESS>?) and default gateway is blank
[22:04] <Beldar> Bublik2002, Right click the desktop there are buttons there.
[22:04] <basketball> how do i open my fstab file using geane
[22:04] <gamoholic> majod: I think you are out of luck. It is probably a limitation of the virtual machine.
[22:05] <majod> gamoholic: i agree. thanks anyway
[22:05] <Bublik2002> Beldar, when i right click desktop it lets me change wallpaper thats about it
[22:05] <gamoholic> basketball: the fstab is located at /etc/fstab
[22:05] <Pingless> Bashing-om: It all looks reasonable: "Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192"
[22:05] <basketball> how do i open it in terminal gamoholic
[22:05] <gamoholic> sudo geane /etc/fstab
[22:05] <usr13> Minty_: Doesn't matter, <IP_ADDRESS> is just a sbnet wider than <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:05] <Beldar> Bublik2002, No other buttons to other controls, I though unity hid from the start.
[22:06] <agopas> Winkey+D didn't work, neither did ctrl+alt+numpad 7.
[22:06] <usr13> Minty_: You could u se <IP_ADDRESS> if you want
[22:06] <Bublik2002> Beldar, maybe it behaves differently in 14.04.. not sure havent used unity in a long time
[22:06] <agopas> I hope I gave enough information.
[22:06] <gvo> Do you wonder why I don't use Unity?
[22:07] <Beldar> Bublik2002, Ah, 14.04 has aits own development channel #ubuntu+1
[22:07] <Beldar> its*
[22:07] <basketball> gamoholic,  i bought a monitor yesterday that has a different resolution as my laptop how can i remove the black border of laptop
[22:07] <Bublik2002> Beldar, i know but i dont think this has anything to do with 14.04
[22:08] <Bashing-om> Pingless: well,,, lemme think on this a bit, the system should pick up on that higher resolution. presently do not know.
[22:08] <Beldar> Bublik2002, That is the is all ,does not matter, that will be the rhetoric on trusty
[22:08] <Beldar> channel is all*
[22:08] <gamoholic> basketball: Are you using both the monitor and your laptop's screen?
[22:08] <Pingless> Bashing-om: I've managed to use xrandr to set the resolution of my primary monitor to something more sensible
[22:08] <Pingless> Bashing-om: Now I need to figure out how to a) persist this and b) get dual monitors working
[22:11] <usr13> Pingless: What video driver are you using?
[22:11] <case_> explosionirc.net
[22:11] <usr13> Pingless: Is it Nvidia?
[22:11] <User1> Hi Guys, need some advice. I prepare to step over from Mac OS X to ubuntu, but I have some problems finding a good alternative for data encryption. Can somebody give me some advice about it. I used to .dmg files to encrypt en decrypt. Can somebody advice me which encryption-software to use for Ubuntu/Linux, that is user-friendly and yet secure too.
[22:11] <Pingless> usr13: See my earlier paste http://pastebin.com/H5b17B70 . The card is an ATI Radeon HD4550
[22:12] <gvo> User1: check out bcrypt
[22:12] <gvo> man bcrypt
[22:12] <gvo> User1: and gpg
[22:12] <usr13> User1: For information on setting up encrypted private directories (8.10+) see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[22:13] <gamoholic> User1: I recommend TrueCrypt
[22:13] <Bublik2002> Beldar, figured it out. you have to download and install compiz config manager
[22:14] <gvo> however truecrypt isn't in the 12.04 repos.
[22:14] <Beldar> Bublik2002, Cool, good job.
[22:14] <usr13> Pingless: http://askubuntu.com/questions/63681/how-can-i-make-xrandr-customization-permanent
[22:15] <agopas> Repeating my question: I'm using X2go to connect to a remote Ubuntu 12.04LTS desktop. I was using Firefox, but accidentally dragged it out of view of the X2Go client window. Since I didn't turn on alt+tab in X2go by default, I don't know how to get it back! Is there a keyboard shortcut that can restore the window to a visible location? Winkey+D didn't work, neither did ctrl+alt+numpad 7.
[22:15] <User1> gvo: usr13 gamoholic, thank you for your sugestion
[22:15] <User1> s
[22:17] <gamoholic> agopas: It sounds like you may have dragged it to a different virtual desktop. Is there anything on the taskbar that lets you switch between them? (I use Lubuntu, so I don't know what Unity looks like :P)
[22:17] <usr13> Pingless:  See:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1875771 & http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1875771
[22:18] <kapad> Hey.
[22:18] <kapad> Facing a problem where a folder added to PRUNEPATHS in updatedb.conf still shows up in search.
[22:18] <agopas> Do you mean workspace?
[22:18] <agopas> Because I only have one session of X2go up.
[22:18] <kapad> even after running updatedb
[22:18] <usr13> Minty_: Did you get it yet?
[22:18] <kapad> any suggestionon the issue.
[22:18] <kapad> ??
[22:19] <Minty_> usr13: nope, demian is helping me troubleshoot
[22:19] <thetrav> what does —fix-missing do for apt-get?
[22:19] <Bashing-om> Pingless: That is making progress, I have no idea how to get a 2nd monitor working with that card, as it only shows one output - per "-C display (??).
[22:19] <usr13> Minty_: PM?
[22:20] <usr13> Minty_: Ok
[22:21] <demianb> Looking at the routers, so I thought we'd take it outside the channel
[22:21] <Pingless> Bashing-om: How strange -- usr13 linked a forum where someone suggested unplugging and reconnecting the monitor
[22:21] <Pingless> Bashing-om: that magically worked.
[22:21] <usr13> thetrav: attempts to correct a system with broken dependencies
[22:21] <Pingless> usr13: Thanks for that link
[22:21] <Bashing-om> Pingless: as a thought, try this in /etc/default/grub -> GRUB_GFXMODE=1600x900 // where 1600x900 is what I have my display set to.
[22:22] <Pingless> Bashing-om: Thanks for your support, I hope this now works
[22:22] <usr13> thetrav: --fix-missing = -f
[22:22] <Bashing-om> Pingless: well, will wonders never cease ! .. Wonderful litttle operating system here.
[22:24] <agopas> gamoholic: it's not unity, it's gnome.
[22:24] <Bashing-om> Pingless: Good deal, I am returning to ubuntuforums for a spell or so, I will be back here.
[22:24] <agopas> gamoholic: and i'm about to pull my hair out because every option i've tried has failed. i can't get the firefox window back.
[22:25] <Pingless> Bashing-om: Thanks again, will reboot to see if settings stick
[22:25] <gamoholic> How about closing the x2go session and re-opening? You should be able to get the page back in firefox.
[22:26] <agopas> i was uploading videos, and i don't want to lose my progress.
[22:26] <gamoholic> ah
[22:26] <agopas> gamoholic: i can still see the firefox process running through top. is there an ssh command that can get the window back?
[22:27] <jamesd> agopas: unless you make plans before hand, you can't.. you can run somethnig like vnc  and reconnect
[22:30] <gamoholic> agopas: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/56942
[22:30] <majod> is there something like simple changelog between kernel versions?
[22:33] <agopas> gamoholic: i get a "cannot open display"
[22:34] <gamoholic> What exactly did you run?
[22:34] <agopas> gamoholic: wmctrl -a firefox
[22:34] <CarlFK> apt-get  install ubuntu-desktop installs something that will run things in .config/autostart.  I don't need all the apps, so I tried just xorg and lihtdm, but I guess I am missing something cuz autorun isnt running.  anyone know what else I need to install?
[22:35] <gamoholic> I bet that isn't the window title
[22:35] <gamoholic> It will be something like "Youtube bla bla bla"
[22:35] <gamoholic> Or wherever you are uploading
[22:36] <gamoholic> I would recommend trying the script in that page
[22:36] <gamoholic> You can find the pid with "ps -A | grep firefox"
[22:36] <agopas> gamoholic: PID is 23635
[22:36] <usr13> Minty__: Did you understand what I was trying to tell you?
[22:37] <Minty__> usr13: i disconnected part way through, don't think I saw it, can you copy and paste it to me again?
[22:37] <gvo> wmctrl -l
[22:37] <gvo> list the windows might give you a hint.
[22:37] <gamoholic> wmctrl -i -a $(wmctrl -l -p | awk '/^[^ ]+ +[^ ]+ +'"23635"'/ {print $1}')
[22:37] <usr13> Router2 as to be a different subnet (from router1).
[22:38] <gamoholic> What gvo said would be simpler :)
[22:38] <Minty__> usr13: even as it stands now?
[22:38] <agopas> wmctrl -l also gives me a "cannot open display"
[22:38] <Minty__> usr13: they're currently the same but i get connectivity fine in windows
[22:38] <agopas> this is a mystery
[22:38] <gvo> agopas: echo $DISPLAY
[22:38] <usr13> Minty__: If router1 uses 192.168.1.x for it's DHCP pool, you can use 192.168.2.x for router2, (it *must* be a different subnet).
[22:39] <agopas> i get one blank line. then i tried wmctrl -l again...it didn't work
[22:39] <Minty__> usr13: router1 uses 192.168.0 for it's dchp pool
[22:39] <usr13> Minty__: If they are the same, you will likely have IP conflict.
[22:39] <Minty__> router 2 uses <IP_ADDRESS> - 254
[22:39] <Minty__> so there should never ever be conflicts
[22:40] <usr13> Minty__: Ok fine.  use 192.168.1.x for router2's dhcp pool with subnet mask of <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:40] <Minty__> also, router1 reserves .0.2 for router 2 yet router 2 gateway is 1.1
[22:40] <Minty__> usr13: is that the difference between reserved wan / lan port?
[22:40] <Minty__> usr13: ok yea, that's what it is at the moment
[22:40] <gvo> agopas: You aren't connected to the display.  Are you running a gnome-terminal or xterm or something on the desktop or did you C-A-F1?
[22:40] <gamoholic> gvo: They are using X2go
[22:40] <usr13> Minty__: Ok.  And router2 connects to WAN via DHCP?
[22:40] <gvo> gamoholic: Ah
[22:41] <Minty__> usr13: yea
[22:41] <gvo> So they lost the display variable.
[22:41] <Minty__> usr13: so as things stand, my pc connects FINE via ethernet. i'm now running installer
[22:41] <usr13> Minty__: Ok and router1's DHCP server is ON?
[22:41] <Minty__> usr13: yes both are on
[22:41] <usr13> Minty__: Yea, it should work.  Let me know if it doesnt'.
[22:41] <Minty__> it works
[22:41] <usr13> Minty__: Good.
[22:42] <Minty__> usr13: but can i just point out
[22:42] <Minty__> the ONLY thing that has changed between now and the very start of this
[22:42] <Minty__> was i rebooted into windows and removed the static ip from pc and changed to obtain from dchp server
[22:42] <agopas> i solved it
[22:42] <Minty__> all the messing arond with dchp server was in the middle of all of this troubleshooting
[22:43] <agopas> i changed the resolution to 800x600, which revealed the GNOME dock at the bottom.
[22:43] <Minty__> usr13: will installer give me option to create partition or should i have done that in windows beforehand?
[22:43] <gamoholic> agopas: Nice!
[22:43] <usr13> Minty__: We thought you had just plugged in the second router, (in which case you would need to configure it to suit your needs).'
[22:43] <agopas> they don't teach you that kind of ingeneuity in school
[22:43] <usr13> Minty__: Yes
[22:44] <usr13> Minty__: The installer has it's own partitioning utility.
[22:47] <Minty__> usr13: thanks
[22:47] <usr13> NP
[22:47] <Minty__> usr13: the screen of installer has been 'blank' so to speak for about 2 minutes now
[22:47] <Minty__> usr13: after the network configuration bit, screen is just purple
[22:48] <Minty__> can i tab into a CLI from here to see what is going on or?
[22:48] <usr13> !nomodeset | Minty__
[22:48] <usr13> Minty__: Ctrl-Alt-F6
[22:48] <Minty__> usr13: can i type something from there?
[22:48] <usr13> Minty__: But give it some time, it may be still loading up.
[22:48] <usr13> Minty__: Yes
[22:49] <Minty__> i hit ctrl + alt + f6, how can i get back out now :P
[22:49] <Minty__> usr13: been loading for close to 4 minutes now, so think i may have the problem you linked me to
[22:49] <usr13> Ctrl-Alt-F1
[22:49] <usr13> or F7  (Not sure which)
[22:49] <Minty__> ah download mirror failed
[22:50] <usr13> Minty__: Check your IP configuration.
[22:50] <Minty__> changed mirror and all good - not having much mirror look today
[22:50] <Minty__> usr13: joker ;)
[22:50] <usr13> Oh ok
[22:52] <Minty__> encrypt home directory? worth doing? any cons?
[22:53] <Minty__> Anyone?
[22:53] <CpuID> hey ppls - is it just me or is the EC2 ubuntu S3-backed mirror in us-west-1 broken?
[22:53] <usr13> Minty__: No
[22:53] <gamoholic> You will get less performance. Whether it is noticeable or not depends on how powerful your computer is. Do you have stuff you want to keep hidden from other people?
[22:53] <Minty__> usr13: ok
[22:53] <usr13> Not in my opinion....
[22:53] <gamoholic> CpuID: Yes, it is broken. I am very sad :'(
[22:53] <gordonjcp> Minty__: not really worth the bother
[22:53] <CpuID> damnit, getting a ton of 403's here
[22:53] <Minty__> gordonjcp: ok thanks, have skipped that
[22:53] <gamoholic> I switched to mirror.tocici.com, but it isn't as good
[22:54] <gordonjcp> Minty__: it's more secure, it will cause you to lose data
[22:54] <Minty__> does anyone use a U partition for ubuntu?
[22:54] <CpuID> gamoholic: same as you?
[22:54] <Minty__> that considered a cool thing to do?!
[22:54] <usr13> Minty__: What is a U partition?
[22:54] <CpuID> do they know about it? :)
[22:54] <Minty__> gordonjcp: tbh i use dropbox for all my files anyway, nothing really personal. all work stuff is kept on a separate server
[22:54] <Minty__> usr13: just driver label :)
[22:54] <CpuID> also gamoholic, have you tested any other regions?
[22:55] <gamoholic> CpuID: No, I have not. I think they probably took it down, but I don't know where to find out
[22:55] <usr13> Minty__: I use 3:  swap  (size of ram or little more), #2 for /   #3 for /home/
[22:55] <usr13> Minty__: I like a separate partition for /home/
[22:55] <CpuID> yea weird, im just testing us-west-2 now
[22:55] <usr13> Minty__: How much RAM do you have?
[22:55] <Minty__> usr13: 8gb
[22:56] <usr13> Minty__: Set your swap partition to 8G
[22:56] <usr13> or so ...
[22:56] <usr13> 8G+ a little
[22:56] <Minty__> usr13: the partition menu is weird as well, will need some advice on my selection... i currently have c which is windows and then some other partition that is reserved, primary and just 100mb, i think windows creates that too
[22:56] <Minty__> usr13: should i leave that one as is but resize c and then create another partition? what is this 'swap' partition that you are referring to?
[22:56] <usr13> Minty__: for /  about 40G maybe.  How big is the HD?
[22:57] <Minty__> usr13: 1tb but there is loads of "lost space" so to speak - at least within how windows reads the HDD from past os reinstalls etc
[22:57] <Minty__> but i'm still only using like 80gb or something
[22:57] <usr13> Minty__: You familiar with "virtual memory"?
[22:57] <gamoholic> Minty__: Do you want to keep the Windows stuff?
[22:57] <Minty__> gamoholic: for now, until i'm comfortable with ubuntu, yea, then i want to fully wipe all of that crap
[22:57] <usr13> Minty__: how much will you set aside for the Ubuntu install?
[22:57] <Minty__> usr13: i don't mind, 200gb?
[22:58] <usr13> Minty__: swap 8G,  / 40G, the rest for /home/
[22:58] <Minty__> usr13: what is swap?
[22:58] <usr13> Minty__: You familiar with "virtual memory"?
[22:58] <cuddylier> Is a CPU wait time of 4% spiking to 25% on an E3 - 1240v3 (4 cores) a bad thing?
[22:58] <gamoholic> It is called a pagefile in Windows
[22:59] <Minty__> usr13: not sure. is that the result of paging?
[22:59] <usr13> (MS Windows Lingo = "virtual memory")
[22:59] <usr13> Minty__: yes
[22:59] <m1sf1t> hey :) quick, question. i'm running ubuntu server, and accessing the web just isn't working. the apache2, samba, and ssh servers all work fine though :S any thoughts?
[22:59] <usr13> paging
[22:59] <Minty__> usr13: so what does swap do? just sets that side apart so you only ruin a small part of the HDD?
[22:59] <daftykins> m1sf1t: run "nslookup google.com"
[22:59] <daftykins> m1sf1t: and "ping google.com"
[23:00] <usr13> Minty__: I woudn't put it that way, but your "paging" is on it's own partition, that's all.
[23:00] <Minty__> usr13: how does ubuntu know to only page that partition?
[23:00] <m1sf1t> it timed out :(
[23:00] <Minty__> and can i set that partition and my ubuntu partition up from the installer? or will i need to do that later?
[23:00] <daftykins> m1sf1t: which?
[23:00] <m1sf1t> nslookup
[23:01] <m1sf1t> i've tried ping, no luck
[23:01] <usr13> Minty__: So set a swap partition to about 8G.   Another one of about 40G for /  Another one for the rest of the space for /home/
[23:01] <daftykins> m1sf1t: ok edit /etc/resolv.conf to read "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[23:01] <daftykins> m1sf1t: then try again
[23:01] <Minty__> usr13: what about windows?
[23:01] <m1sf1t> specifically <IP_ADDRESS> or my actual dns?
[23:01] <gamoholic> m1sf1t: Is this a new server?
[23:01] <Minty__> usr13: and can i do all this from the installer or will this just allow me to do the 1 partition configuration that is needed for the install
[23:01] <m1sf1t> yeah, i set it up two days ago
[23:01] <usr13> Minty__: Ubuntu knows what partitions to use for what by what is written to /etc/fstab file.
[23:01] <usr13> !fstab | Minty__
[23:01] <gamoholic> m1sf1t: Static IP or DHCP?
[23:01] <Minty__> usr13: ok great, i'll configure that after then
[23:02] <Minty__> usr13: when you say /home/ you mean the default ubuntu partition yea?
[23:02] <usr13> Minty__: It will be done for you.
[23:02] <m1sf1t> static ip
[23:02] <usr13> Minty__: /home/ is the user space. (Where all your user's files go).
[23:02] <gamoholic> m1sf1t: How did you set it? /etc/network/interfaces ?
[23:02] <Minty__> usr13: ok. So i currently have windows partition and some other shitty 100mb partition. Am I creating 3 more?
[23:02] <m1sf1t> what command should i use to restart my netoworking service?
[23:02] <usr13> Minty__: Right.
[23:03] <gamoholic> sudo restart networking
[23:03] <Minty__> usr13: in terms of my options in the installer do i "resize scsi6" or "resize scsi7"
[23:03] <usr13> Minty__: What do you have now?
[23:03] <m1sf1t> the interfaces file is set to iface eth0 inet static
[23:04] <usr13> Minty__: If you have partitions of the sizes you want, there is no need to resize anything.
[23:04] <Minty__> usr13: ah looks like 1 refers to my usb stick
[23:04] <daftykins> m1sf1t: do what i said (:
[23:04] <Minty__> usr13: i have no partitions set up yet. that is what i mean - can i set them all up from within the installer?
[23:04] <Minty__> or does it just want me to worry about the 1 for now
[23:04] <daftykins> m1sf1t: no network restart command really works properly anymore so i wouldn't recommend it
[23:04] <m1sf1t> i set the dns to <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:04] <Minty__> usr13: i need to resize my windows partition anywya bceause that is currently like 1tb
[23:05] <usr13> Minty__: If you have yet to set aside any free space, then resize the MS Windows partition, (to a smaller size).
[23:05] <m1sf1t> should it work now? ill try
[23:05] <daftykins> m1sf1t: and what happens now?
[23:05] <m1sf1t> nope, still not working :(
[23:05] <daftykins> m1sf1t: timeout with DNS?
[23:05] <daftykins> m1sf1t: as in nslookup google.com ?
[23:05] <usr13> Minty__: ... and then use the resulting "free space" for the new [Ubuntu] partitions.
[23:05] <m1sf1t> in firefox, it's saying server not found still
[23:06] <m1sf1t> ill try ping and nslookup
[23:06] <daftykins> m1sf1t: i thought you said it was a server, why does it have firefox? :P