[07:02] <BSoDirl> freeeaky
[07:02] <soop> tell me what email address is associated with it, I can't remember my icq password
[07:02] <Paul2> need the pay for version to use my windows install dont i?
[07:02] <an> soop,but i have no buddy in my icq ,so when i login icq in gaim ,it asked me fill in the room like in irc
[07:02] <soop> Paul2: huh?
[07:03] <eugman> Hey, is there a comprehensive downloadable source of help information? Like the wiki plus some other stuff?
[07:03] <soop> oh ... i see
[07:03] <Paul2> I don't have a premade vm for windows.
[07:03] <soop> i couldn't tell you dude, i use jabber and msn *shudder*
[07:03] <Ares> Eugman: Man pages?
[07:03] <soop> Paul2: vm = virtual machine?
[07:03] <an> soop. ok
[07:03] <Tom7e> what is the command to load the trashcan from prompt?
[07:03] <BSoDirl> cd ~/.Trash
[07:03] <soop> you're trying to use windows in ubuntu? not via wine but via vmware or something?
[07:04] <an> bsodirl,can u help me?
[07:04] <eugman> Ares, I mean more howto-ish stuff like howto fix your resolution
[07:04] <Paul2> yep
[07:04] <BSoDirl> icq?
[07:04] <farky> Ares: there should be one in Emacs, but it might have been an older revision I saw it in
[07:04] <soop> eugman: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:04] <jme> eugman, no
[07:04] <BSoDirl> I';m fixing to go frag some noobs..
[07:04] <cyphase> or if you want it in nautilus, nautilus ~/.Trash
[07:04] <BSoDirl> it'll cut into my bandwidth.
[07:04] <eugman> Thanks jme.
[07:04] <BSoDirl> :<
[07:04] <an> soop ,neither ,i just install windows and ubuntu ,2 system
[07:04] <soop> aaaah
[07:04] <Paul2> var-some dude said use vmplayer
[07:04] <jme> welcome to the self-documenting world of Unix!
[07:04] <whitepyro> Anyone know how to get postfix to bloody well work? :D...
[07:05] <BSoDirl> documentation ftw
[07:05] <an> bsodirl,yes ,icq , in gaim
[07:05] <soop> whitepyro: www.qmailrocks.org ;)
[07:05] <soop> im not a fan of postfix
[07:05] <BSoDirl> eww
[07:05] <Tom7e> thanks
[07:05] <whitepyro> i just wanna use mail() in php LOL.. i will check that :|
[07:05] <BSoDirl> i dont even remember my UIN
[07:05] <Tom7e> i had trash it wouldn't let me delete
[07:05] <whitepyro> Well i can't get sendmail nor post fix so..
[07:05] <eugman> Soop, Let's say I break my xorg config and i don't have internet acess then what would I do.
[07:05] <soop> whitepyro: it's a good tutorial
[07:05] <Ares> How do I make this name "belong" to me?
[07:05] <whitepyro> ugh wasted all day
[07:05] <BSoDirl> in trash directory.. sudo rm -r *
[07:05] <CaptainMorgan> I can't get Kaffeine to display an mpg... I got Libxine-extracodecs, wavpack and w32codecs installed.... Im only getting sound with no display - any Ideas? - Ive tried VLC and Mplayer and all three have sound but now display....
[07:06] <CaptainMorgan> no
[07:06] <Ares> Eugman: I thought you can use LINKS through Term or whatever.
[07:06] <an> ?
[07:06] <soop> eugman: well back it up before you modify it " cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.working"
[07:06] <BSoDirl> CaptainMorgan, tried gxine yet?
[07:06] <BSoDirl> its the bomb
[07:06] <Paul2> Later
[07:06] <an> bsodirl,yes ,icq , in gaim
[07:06] <BSoDirl> an, I just said I forgot my UIN #
[07:06] <eugman> Soop, my point is this: If I have a computer not connected to the internet and something goes wrong I have limited redress.
[07:07] <an> o
[07:07] <BSoDirl> p33ce
[07:07] <soop> eugman: you're in x right now right?
[07:07] <whitepyro> soop: you got gmail to work on your local machine yes?
[07:07] <Tom7e> i have a problem.  I like to set both panels at the bottom of the screen, with the applications at the very bottom, but whenever i restart my PC, they are swapped with the workspaces panel at the very bottom..
[07:07] <Ares> Eugman: You know that Linux relies on Broadband connections, right?
[07:07] <CaptainMorgan> gxine doesn't work either
[07:07] <eugman> I was speaking hypothetically. Everything is fine. However I may be setting up a friend of mine with ubuntu
[07:07] <CaptainMorgan> wwhat is going on??
[07:08] <soop> i haven't thrown it in to ubuntu yet but i've had many a slackware install of it work perfectly
[07:08] <eugman> Ares, in what way?
[07:08] <RShadow> what is the kernel image for athlon proc? K7 or 686?
[07:08] <whitepyro> soop; Ic.. Hopefully this works.. I've spent all day trying to configure these P.O.S. LOL
[07:08] <soop> hehehehe no worries
[07:08] <Ares> Eugman: Collaborative projects, sources distribution, etc.
[07:08] <Ares> Eugman: Help would be one =P
[07:09] <Ares> Eugman: I'm 14, we were the first on the block to have a Cable modem, shutup, I'm spoiled =)
[07:09] <jme> Anyone have experience with an atmel-based wireless card?
[07:10] <eugman> Ares, I have broadband as well. However i'd like a way for my friend to be self sufficient if something goes awry.
[07:10] <Ares> Eugman: Give him a punching bag.
[07:10] <siriusnova> can anyone help me with recompiling wpa supplicant to support madwifi-old
[07:10] <siriusnova> *sigh*
[07:10] <PORDO> is the world cup over yet?
[07:10] <grigora> hi, I am trying to follow some web site on how to upgrade to dapper drake and once I run the update-manager, I don't see an Upgrade button, anyone knows why? thanks
[07:11] <Ares> Eugman: But really, you could just download wiki's of it. Or get the Ubuntu manual thats coming out shortly
[07:11] <Ares> Eugman: It should be coming later this month.
[07:11] <whitepyro> Soop: If this works I might just be inclined to kiss ya.. *JOKES*. Crosses fingers..
[07:11] <RShadow> I'm getting different opinions.. is an Athlon processor listed as a 686 or K7 in Ubuntu?
[07:11] <eugman> Are you referring to the o'reilly book or the free one from lulu?
[07:12] <Ares> Eugman: I'm referring the the add they sent me with my shipit cd.
[07:12] <Ares> ad*
[07:12] <soop> whitepyro: it should, just follow the steps, make sure your dns is working though
[07:12] <eugman> K.
[07:12] <skavenge> RShadow: pretty sure its k7
[07:12] <grigora> anyone knows how to upgrade from breezy to drake? either gui or apt. thanks
[07:12] <whitepyro> i dunno if it is or not
[07:12] <whitepyro> :D
[07:12] <Ares> Eugman: It should be coming out LATE July. So, don't be going, where is it or anything.
[07:12] <RShadow> skavenge, thanks
[07:12] <whitepyro> how do i check :D
[07:13] <jme> this dumb wireless card won't get out of 802.11-DS mode, and it appears to be a firmware problem :(
[07:13] <eugman> Grigora, update manager should have a big upgrade button on it.
[07:13] <grigora> eugman: for some reason it does not
[07:13] <eugman> try updatemanager -d
[07:13] <eugman> whoops
[07:13] <eugman> try update-manager -d
[07:13] <grigora> eugman: i tried both
[07:14] <eugman> y rather odd.
[07:14] <grigora> eugman: with and without -d
[07:14] <eugman> y it update-manager updated fully?
[07:14] <eugman>  ignore the y's
[07:14] <eugman> I play too much tfc.
[07:14] <whitepyro> ppl still play TFC?
[07:14] <whitepyro> :D
[07:14] <Ares> TFC?
[07:14] <eugman> A half-life mod
[07:14] <Ares> Ahhh.
[07:15] <grigora> eugman: ignore the y-s? what does that mean?
[07:15] <siriusnova> what's a good wifi pc-card that works well with ubuntu
[07:15] <eugman> I prepend my stantments with y's because it's a reflex resulting from playing a game which requires such.
[07:15] <whitepyro> AIM BOT!
[07:16] <grigora> eugman: all I have on update-manager is a Reload button and a sign that reads: Your system is up-to-date
[07:16] <grigora> eugman: how can i do it via apt?
[07:16] <eugman> Hmmm very unusual. One moment.
[07:16] <Ares> How to you pause soemthing in Totem?
[07:17] <grigora> eugman: ok
[07:17] <siriusnova> can anyone help me at all? im about to format ubuntu :(
[07:17] <johanbr> siriusnova: I've heard Ralink cards work well. Prism cards are also good, but kind of hard to get hold of. Intel's cards are also well supported.
[07:17] <RShadow> anybody else have issues with xchat not working with XGL?
[07:17] <Ares> Ugh, I have to go my bladder and bed are killing me.
[07:17] <Ares> Night.
[07:17] <siriusnova> johnabr - do prism cards supprt wpa ?
[07:17] <siriusnova> johanbr ^^
[07:18] <lostar4545> how do i find out the type of  ram my PC uses with ubuntu
[07:18] <chariscomp> Hello, I am having trouble installing ubuntu using the alternate installation cd. I want to use software RAID. When I get to the section that is to help me setup RAID, my computer seems to freeze or at a minimum go very, very slowly. Any suggestions on why this might be?
[07:18] <johanbr> siriusnova: I'm not 100% sure, but I think the answer is "yes, if you configure it manually, but not with networkmanager".
[07:18] <eugman> Grigora, could you check if you have ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop installed for me?
[07:18] <chariscomp> I notice that the hard drive light stays lit continuously.
[07:18] <snoops> anyone know anything about binding mouse buttons to other mouse buttons?
[07:19] <grigora> eugman: i have ubuntu-desktop
[07:19] <siriusnova> johanbr - what works with network manager WPA wise
[07:19] <eugman> ok good then this should work. Follow these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades#head-0171d3953a2ea19e9b4228bcd5cde3ecfb67f7af
[07:20] <eugman> and one more thing
[07:20] <Tom7e> i have a problem.  I like to set both panels at the bottom of the screen, with the applications at the very bottom, but whenever i restart my PC, they are swapped with the workspaces panel at the very bottom..
[07:20] <eugman> IT IS VERY IMPORTANT that you follow the instructions EXACTLY or you could ruin your setup. Pay close mind to the warnings at the end.
[07:20] <johanbr> siriusnova: What I know to work: Intel cards, Broadcom 43xx, ndiswrapper. Probably more also...
[07:21] <whitepyro> god I quit
[07:21] <whitepyro> lol
[07:21] <chariscomp> hello, anyone have any suggestions on my problem?
[07:21] <whitepyro> even step 2 don't work
[07:21] <whitepyro> haha
[07:21] <eugman> Whitepyro, I rather doubt he cares unless you don't mean with computer stuff.
[07:22] <whitepyro> no i'm in referance to seting up gmail LOL
[07:23] <siriusnova> anyone here use aircrack on ubuntu?
[07:23] <FunnyHat-Away> siriusnova, you mean airsnort?
[07:23] <siriusnova> FunnyHat-Away - i mean aircrack-ng
[07:23] <siriusnova> i had to recompile madwifi drivers to support packet injection and now i cant use WPA :(
[07:23] <jesse_> hey
[07:23] <FunnyHat-Away> siriusnova, hmmm  no, sorry
[07:24] <jesse_> hey
[07:24] <eugman> jesse_, you have my attention?
[07:24] <jesse_> thats good
[07:24] <eugman> Do you have a question?
[07:25] <jesse_> yeah... why are we still using IRC
[07:25] <eugman> As opposed to?
[07:25] <jesse_> EVERYTHING else
[07:25] <eugman> Well shouting has alimited range.
[07:25] <jesse_> ya no AIM, AOL, YAHOO,
[07:25] <jesse_> all that other stuff
[07:25] <cheeseman557> if i want to make a partition that is read/writable by both windows and ubuntu, does it need to be fat32 and what should the mount point be?
[07:25] <eugman> Firstly we get free hosting with freenode.
[07:26] <eugman> And what do you mean aim,aol ? isn't that redundant?
[07:26] <jesse_> Do you actually have like intelligent conversations
[07:26] <eobanb> ...?
[07:27] <jesse_> why are you talking like that
[07:27] <eugman> I think the conversations usually resemble something intelligent. Of course this is the support channel so it's more about fixing problems.
[07:27] <siriusnova> i wish someone could help me fix my problems :(
[07:27] <cheeseman557> me too
[07:27] <eobanb> jesse_, do you have a legitimate question about ubuntu, because now is the time to ask
[07:27] <chariscomp> Me, three!
[07:27] <siriusnova> ive been here for 2 days lol
[07:27] <nate_> jesse_, lead the way, leave IRC and get on those
[07:27] <nate_> thanks
[07:27] <eugman> I talk like that because i find speaking ironically far too enjoyable.
[07:27] <eobanb> siriusnova, cheeseman557, chariscomp, what are your questions
[07:28] <jesse_> okay heres a question... is there anyway i can download a windows based program while running umbunto
[07:28] <cheeseman557> if i want to make a partition that is read/writable by both windows and ubuntu, does it need to be fat32 and what should the mount point be?
[07:28] <Lynoure> siriusnova: sorry, I have no idea about patched madwifi drivers...
[07:28] <eobanb> jesse_, you mean *run* a windows programme?
[07:28] <nate_> jesse_, yes, you can download whatever you want.
[07:28] <jesse_> yes run dowload its all the same shit
[07:28] <eugman> Jesse_, yes but windows may have a hard time accessing it.
[07:28] <jesse_> well how do i do it then
[07:28] <eobanb> jesse_, running and downloading are definitely not the same thing.
[07:28] <eugman> No it's not the same.
[07:28] <siriusnova> eobang - i had to use madwifi-old patched drivers to support packet injection, now the WPA menu is disabled in Network Manager, Im assuming i have to recompile WPA supplicant to support madwifi-old ?
[07:28] <eugman> Install wine to run it.
[07:28] <siriusnova> or not?
[07:28] <nate_> jesse_, they're far from the same
[07:28] <eobanb> !wine
[07:29] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:29] <whitepyro> !whine?
[07:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about whine?
[07:29] <whitepyro> :D
[07:29] <chariscomp> My question is this: I am trying to install Ubuntu on a machine and use the built-in software RAID to create a RAID 1 mirror. I am using the alternate install CD. When I get to the point of trying to setup the software RAID, the setup seems to freeze on me. As in, lots of disk activity, screen updates extremely slowly, if at all.  Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:30] <cyphase> it's another kordo
[07:30] <eugman> And of course you want windows to be able to acess it correct?
[07:30] <nate_> !jerk
[07:30] <ubotu> I know nothing about jerk
[07:30] <siriusnova> eobanb - it's a SMC 2336W-AG so it uses the atheros chipset
[07:30] <chariscomp> Thanks for any help anyone can give me with this.
[07:30] <reemusk> hey team, i'm back
[07:30] <nate_> well, let me educate you, ubotu.  see jesse_ ?
[07:30] <reemusk> i still can't find flash-nonfree in synaptic
[07:30] <whitepyro> hey anyone ever set up gmail for ubuntu ?
[07:30] <cheeseman557> if i want to make a partition that is read/writable by both windows and ubuntu, does it need to be fat32 and what should the mount point be?
[07:30] <eobanb> siriusnova, i would think that the old drivers would not support WPA, and i guess since the new ones do, then you'll have to switch between them.
[07:30] <cyphase> everyone help chariscomp. he's being nice
[07:30] <cyphase> ;)
[07:31] <chariscomp> Thanks! :)
[07:31] <reemusk> i've refreshed synaptic, added the repositories several times
[07:31] <reemusk> nothing, team
[07:31] <eugman> Cheeseman557, ext2 drivers also exist for windows but may cause problems.
[07:31] <nate_> cheeseman557, that's a good idea, yes, having it fat32 helps.
[07:31] <siriusnova> eobanb - how do i recompile the new ones in ubuntu, if i use madwifi-ng straight from the madwifi website WPA doesnt work either
[07:31] <cheeseman557> what should the mount point be?
[07:32] <jesse_> ok so if i goto a porn sight and i want to download like a short clip but i want to run it with WINDOWNS media player
[07:32] <eobanb> siriusnova, are you sure the card itself can do WPA?
[07:32] <siriusnova> i was thinking maybe i just used the source from the ubuntu ones which appear to be different then madwifi-ng and madwifi-old but i dont know where to get that source from
[07:32] <jesse_> it opens up on like totemmovie or someshit
[07:32] <siriusnova> eobanbg - yes WPA works fine with stock modules in linux-restricted
[07:32] <eobanb> cheeseman557, yes, fat32 is good choice of filesystem
[07:32] <nate_> cheeseman557, there are Reiser drivers for windows now too, I hear.  But if you don't want to muck around, use fat32
[07:32] <siriusnova> linux-restricted-modules i mean
[07:32] <cheeseman557> but what should the moint point be
[07:32] <nate_> jesse_, language, thanks
[07:32] <nate_> !language
[07:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:32] <nate_> thanks
[07:32] <jesse_> just answer the question
[07:32] <jesse_> i dont need a preacher i need a helper
[07:33] <eobanb> !restricted
[07:33] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:33] <eugman> Jesse_, I'm pretty sure windows media player is a porpiety application not runnable in ubuntu but I can check
[07:33] <cheeseman557> swap, /, /home, /boot, /usr, or /var?
[07:33] <eugman> y you can however tansfer the files to windows and watch in windows.
[07:33] <grigora> eugman: the upgrade is working, thanks for your help!
[07:33] <eobanb> jesse_, you can play windows media files with other players, but you can't run windows media player.
[07:33] <alexicon> jesse_: you cant use windows media player in linux
[07:33] <eugman> I'm glad your computer isn't a brick, grigora.
[07:33] <jesse_> Well what should i use in replacement of that
[07:33] <eobanb> cheeseman557, probably somewhere in /media
[07:33] <grigora> eugman: what does that mean?
[07:33] <chariscomp> eobanb, any suggestions on my RAID problem? (or anyone?)  Right ares?
[07:35] <eobanb> there may well be, yes.
[07:35] <spades> chilren dont have to be present to keep it civil
[07:35] <alexicon> anyone have any issues with kubuntu and xine?? im trying to use amarok and it keeps saying that xine cant find any sound device. but i can listen to music fine in any other app
[07:35] <whitepyro> right
[07:35] <FunnyHat-Away> !language
[07:35] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:35] <eobanb> cheeseman557, you'll generally want to make a directory like /media/win or something like that
[07:35] <nate_> some people don't appreciate that sort of language at any age
[07:35] <nate_> like me
[07:35] <cheeseman557> eobanb, i dont have any option with /media in it. my options are: "blank", /, /home, /boot, /usr, /var
[07:36] <chariscomp> Please help me with my RAID installation issue. Thanks!
[07:36] <alexicon> !xine >alexicon
[07:36] <eobanb> cheeseman557, what are you looking at
[07:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about xine
[07:36] <alexicon> !amarok >alexicon
[07:36] <cheeseman557> im looking at the thing after making your partitions
[07:36] <eugman> Spades, know but it removes room for argument.
[07:36] <cheeseman557> i have a fat32 partition ,a ext3 partition and a swap partition
[07:36] <cheeseman557> its asking me for the mount points
[07:36] <spades> eugman errm, i was just saying, just cuz there are kids are no reason to not keep it civil
[07:36] <eobanb> cheeseman557, ignore the mount point option there.
[07:36] <cheeseman557> so just leave it blank?
[07:36] <alexicon> ive tried two different versions of amarok but both have the same xine issue
[07:36] <eobanb> cheeseman557, that's something totally different
[07:37] <eobanb> cheeseman557, yes
[07:37] <BeanBag> can anyone help me with ntop on ubuntu?
[07:37] <cheeseman557> ok thank you very very very much
[07:37] <whitepyro> :|
[07:37] <cheeseman557> acutally
[07:37] <siriusnova> eobanb - my problem is that the madwifi-ng drivers straight from madwifi-ng dont work with Network-Manager and WPA and neither does madwiif-old so basically im screwed :(
[07:37] <cheeseman557> it says i ned to select a mount point
[07:37] <reemusk> i cannot find flash-nonfree after installing all the repositories and reloading synaptic. can anyone assist?
[07:37] <eugman> Spades, your use of double negatives confuses me. Whatever the case you are probably right.
[07:37] <alexicon> reemusk: i dont think its in there, theres some gpl version of flash
[07:38] <alexicon> but it didnt work for me
[07:38] <alexicon> i just downloaded from flash website
[07:38] <spades> eugman i agree, its too late to bother to correct myself though =/
[07:38] <alexicon> its an easy install
[07:38] <reemusk> alexicon :yeah it failed installation
[07:38] <alexicon> doh
[07:38] <eobanb> siriusnova, i'm sorry, i don't know what to tell you.  packet injection is not something most users need.
[07:38] <alexicon> any particular error erin_r
[07:38] <alexicon> reemusk: i meant
[07:38] <chariscomp> Anyone know anything about installing Ubuntu with RAID 1?
[07:39] <nesagwa> can somone help me with setting up the firmware in ivtv in xubuntu? ive tried the wiki guide but ran into alot of problems about where to put the firmware files
[07:39] <reemusk> alexicon: you meant..? :) are you typing a response
[07:39] <alexicon> reemusk: just askin if there was a particular error you got in the install
[07:40] <reemusk> alexicon: i just get an install failed. then it asks me to install through the command line
[07:40] <whitepyro> my install has errors too!.... i can't even install gmail right
[07:40] <whitepyro> lol
[07:40] <alexicon> yeah reemusk do that
[07:40] <reemusk> alexicon: that's the problem..i can't figure it out
[07:40] <eugman> install gmail?
[07:40] <alexicon> reemusk: unpack it, cd into the dir, then run the install file
[07:40] <whitepyro> qmail rather
[07:40] <alexicon> the details are on the website
[07:40] <alexicon> lemme link you
[07:40] <eugman> y ah ok that makes more sense.
[07:41] <alexicon> reemusk:
[07:41] <reemusk> alexicon: i don't think i'm that advanced, could you dumb it down a shade for me?
[07:41] <whitepyro> hehe... following tutorial soop gave me and then it errors out LOL
[07:41] <alexicon> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[07:41] <alexicon> ok reemusk what file you got atm?
[07:41] <alexicon> is it still all packed up?
[07:42] <alexicon> or do you have a directory with a bunch of stuff??
[07:42] <reemusk> alexicon: yes, it's still packed.....i downloaded it and it's open now
[07:42] <reemusk> install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[07:42] <alexicon> ok cool
[07:42] <RShadow> has anybody ever replaced syslogd with syslog-ng on their Ubuntu boxes?
[07:42] <alexicon> on the commandline do: gunzip install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[07:42] <alexicon> then do tar xvf install_flash_player_7_linux.tar
[07:42] <alexicon> that will make a directory with all the flash files and stuff
[07:42] <alexicon> tell me when you got the dir
[07:42] <farky_> Hey, can someone help me with setting up the nvidia drivers?
[07:43] <reemusk> alexicon: gunzip: install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz: No such file or directory
[07:43] <spades> tar xzf inst*
[07:43] <soop> whitepyro: where did it error out?
[07:43] <alexicon> oh well cd into the right directory first hehe
[07:43] <alexicon> whered you download the file to?
[07:44] <whitepyro> i msged to u so i don't spam cahn
[07:44] <whitepyro> chan
[07:44] <reemusk> alexicon: desktop
[07:44] <alexicon> ok so do:     cd Desktop
[07:44] <alexicon> then do the gunzip and tar commands
[07:44] <reemusk> alexicon: bash: cd: desktop: No such file or directory
[07:44] <Nordal> Anyone knows if there is'nt any mythtv packages in drapper, I have enabled multiverse, universe and the backports packages but apt-cache search mythtv only results in a mythlib package?
[07:44] <eobanb> farky_, what's the issue?
[07:44] <spades> case sensitive, ~/Desktop
[07:44] <reemusk> ah
[07:44] <alexicon> yeah big D
[07:44] <alexicon> hehe
[07:45] <reemusk> and then run the command?
[07:45] <alexicon> you can use tab to have it fill it in for you after the first letter etcetc
[07:45] <whitepyro> can i borrow someones brain so I can be a linux masta :D
[07:45] <CaptainMorgan> I can't get Kaffeine to display an mpg... I got Libxine-extracodecs, wavpack and w32codecs installed.... Im only getting sound with no display - any Ideas? - Ive tried VLC and Mplayer and all three have sound but now display.... used automatix to download every player know practically.. ALL play sound but no display
[07:45] <alexicon> the do gunzip install.......
[07:45] <farky_> eobanb: i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org, and when i restart gnome i get a wierd X error message
[07:45] <alexicon> then do tar xvf install....
[07:45] <jasonm> can someone explain to me how to install refus
[07:45] <alexicon> if you press tab after you start to type it will fill it in for you
[07:45] <jasonm> rufus
[07:45] <eobanb> farky_, for further reference, ubuntuguide.org is not an official guide of any kind
[07:46] <soop> whitepyro: you did?
[07:46] <Duff> Hi?
[07:46] <reemusk>  install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[07:46] <Duff> Oh awesome.
[07:46] <reemusk> alexicon: tar: install: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[07:46] <reemusk> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[07:46] <farky_> eobanb: ok hah, but can you help we with restoring my original xorg.conf?
[07:46] <Duff> Anyways, guys I have a question.
[07:46] <eobanb> sure, farky_, just do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:46] <eobanb> farky_, what's the X error message btw
[07:46] <Duff> If I download ubuntu, will I still be able to access Windows XP?
[07:47] <eobanb> Duff, yes.
[07:47] <Duff> And what if I decide to delete Ubuntu? How would I do that?
[07:47] <farky_> eobanb, i forget, but now it's saying "No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0_ found
[07:47] <eugman> Duff, by acess you mean run right?
[07:47] <eobanb> Duff, the ubuntu installer will resize your fat32 or NTFS partition and create a menu that appears at startup allowing you to choose which operating system to start.
[07:47] <Duff> Yeah.
[07:47] <Duff> Ah.
[07:47] <eobanb> farky_, hm, odd.  well, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose nv as the driver for now
[07:47] <whitepyro> a boot loader called Grub
[07:47] <whitepyro> :D
[07:48] <whitepyro> wahoo i answered a question.. Now qmail :D
[07:48] <Duff> How about programs? Will I be able to download iTunes and programs like that on Ubuntu?
[07:48] <eobanb> Duff, all you have to do to remove ubuntu is erase the partition on which it is installed
[07:48] <eobanb> Duff, itunes is an app for windows and mac os x, and won't run on ubuntu.
[07:48] <eugman> Duff, yes and no.
[07:48] <eobanb> Duff, there are similar programmes available though.
[07:48] <jasonm> when i try and install the rufus .deb i get; dpkg-deb: `rufus_0.6.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[07:48] <jasonm> dpkg: error processing rufus_0.6.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--install):
[07:48] <jasonm>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[07:48] <jasonm> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:48] <jasonm>  rufus_0.6.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:48] <spades> and fixmbr from a windisc to remove grub
[07:48] <eobanb> !flood
[07:48] <jasonm> any help?
[07:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:48] <eugman> !paste
[07:49] <eobanb> jasonm, what is rufus
[07:49] <Duff> OK.
[07:49] <Duff> I think I might download it and try it out.
[07:49] <jasonm> eobanb, bit torrent client
[07:49] <spades> give the desktop livecd a whirl
[07:49] <Duff> Hopefully I won't be back here asking how to delete it.
[07:49] <jasonm> eobanb, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent
[07:49] <whitepyro> lol 4 sure duff
[07:49] <eobanb> good to hear, Duff.  and remember, the liveCD will let you try ubuntu without having to install it on your hard drive.
[07:49] <eugman> Duff you don't have to.
[07:49] <Paladine> hillary duff is switching to linux?
[07:50] <Paladine> sweeeet
[07:50] <eugman> Duff, the desktop cd lets you give ubuntu a test drive without side effects.
[07:50] <cheeseman557> hey if i want to make a partition that is read/writable by both windows and ubuntu, what should the mount point be?
[07:50] <farky_> eobanb: im going to switch computers
[07:50] <reemusk> can anyone help me with firestarter? it says i can't activate the firewall
[07:50] <eugman> Cheeseman557, I don't think it matters that much?
[07:50] <alexicon> nite everyone!
[07:51] <Duff> How do I get a CD?
[07:51] <cheeseman557> as long as its fat32 will windows read it?
[07:51] <eugman> The website should have a link.
[07:51] <soop> Duff: you dont need itunes
[07:51] <eugman> And you can burn one or oder one which will arrive weeks from now.
[07:51] <Duff> I just need something to play my music.
[07:51] <Paladine> cheese, there are no certainties with windows, other than the certainty of uncertainty
[07:51] <Duff> And I was just using iTunes as a reference.
[07:51] <eugman> Soop, unless he has itms music.
[07:51] <soop> Duff: sudo apt-get install beep
[07:51] <johanbr> cheeseman557: 1) Anywhere 2) Yes.
[07:52] <cheeseman557> ok thank you very much
[07:52] <chariscomp> Hello, can anyone help me with a question regarding installing Ubuntu and setting up RAID 1 mirrors while doing so?
[07:52] <farky> eobanb: thanks for helping me with getting things back to normal, now can you help with setting up the driver?
[07:52] <reemusk> can anyone help me with firestarter? it says i can't activate the firewall
[07:52] <eobanb> farky, yes.
[07:52] <eugman> Duff, Using linux is like buying the generic brands. Not everyone does it, you won't always find pop tarts but it's much cheaper in the long run.
[07:52] <Duff> Well...
[07:52] <whitepyro> soop did you recieve my private message w/ the error i got?
[07:52] <farky> eobanb: should I use apt-get to install the drivers?
[07:53] <soop> whitepyro nope ...
[07:53] <eobanb> !nvidia
[07:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:53] <eugman> Generally any program in windows has a linux alternative
[07:53] <eobanb> ^-- follow that, farky
[07:53] <soop> Duff: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138405
[07:53] <reemusk> !firestarter
[07:53] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[07:53] <farky> eobanb: thanks
[07:53] <soop> Duff: run that script
[07:53] <eobanb> Duff, there are many music players for ubuntu
[07:53] <Duff> Alright.
[07:53] <eobanb> *sigh* no, duff, please don't.
[07:53] <InnerFIRE> I have macromedia flash installed but some websites wont load.. like chat windows..
[07:53] <InnerFIRE> do i need any other plugins.
[07:53] <Duff> Also, the reason I have been afraid to download Linux, is because when I hear people having problems with it, it's always something like...
[07:53] <InnerFIRE> ?
[07:54] <ymeng> first time user of xchat, i want to know how to config apci / apm ?
[07:54] <eobanb> soop, we don't recommend automatix to anyone because it will break things and then they come back and ask us to fix it and i'm absolutely sick of it.
[07:54] <Duff> "You need to add /server.someshit I don't understand to your main prompt.
[07:54] <eobanb> soop, people need to just read the ubuntu wiki.
[07:54] <soop> InnerFIRE: are they asking for flash8 because then you need to tell them to stop spending unneccessary money on upgrades
[07:54] <jasonm> InnerFIRe, you dont have flash 8?
[07:54] <soop> eobanb: sounds good to me
[07:54] <jasonm> InnerFIRE, the sites you are trying to use are probably flash8
[07:54] <eugman> Duff, well there is some stuff like that but it's usually cut and paste instructions.
[07:54] <reemusk> when i start firestarter it says "the device eth0 s not ready, please check your network settings and try again" well obviously it's ready if i'm using it! can anyone assist?
[07:54] <InnerFIRE> yes
[07:54] <InnerFIRE> it is i think..
[07:54] <Duff> Ah.
[07:54] <Duff> Alright, I'm out of here for now.
[07:54] <Duff> I'm going to download it.
[07:55] <soop> eobanb: what does it break?
[07:55] <Duff> Thanks for all the help guys.
[07:55] <eobanb> have fun, Duff
[07:55] <InnerFIRE> where do i get flash8?
[07:55] <eugman> OMG guys duff spelled backwards is FUD!
[07:55] <eobanb> InnerFIRE, there is no version of flash player 8 for linux.
[07:55] <soop> shit i hate when my wife puts my half empty warm beers in front of me
[07:55] <reemusk> eugman: actually it's fudd :)
[07:55] <soop> i forget they're warm and god knows how old
[07:55] <whitepyro> lol soop
[07:55] <eugman> ACTUALLY it's ffud.
[07:55] <whitepyro> soop: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17141
[07:56] <reemusk> i know :)
[07:56] <InnerFIRE> do we have something to get around it?
[07:56] <reemusk> when i start firestarter it says "the device eth0 s not ready, please check your network settings and try again" well obviously it's ready if i'm using it! can anyone assist?
[07:56] <eobanb> InnerFIRE, yes, we send emails to macromedia asking for a newer version of flash for linux.
[07:56] <jasonm> InnerFIRE, install windows firefox with wine
[07:56] <soop> whitepyro: sec, pulling it up
[07:56] <eugman> Jasonm, wait flash 8 works in wine?
[07:56] <chariscomp> Please help me with my question regarding software RAID during installation. Please? :)
[07:57] <eobanb> chariscomp, what drive setup do you have
[07:57] <whitepyro> kk
[07:57] <jasonm> eugman, im watching video's on youtube as we speak
[07:57] <chariscomp> I have two PATA drives. Both on separate channels. One is hda and the other hdc.
[07:57] <jasonm> can anyone help me with my question now, hahaha
[07:58] <chariscomp> by the way, thanks for trying to help!
[07:58] <eugman> Jasonm, which was?
[07:58] <akulah> Hi
[07:58] <akulah> I hav a question
[07:58] <soop> whitepyro: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[07:59] <InnerFIRE> ok installing it now..
[07:59] <InnerFIRE> thanx
[07:59] <eobanb> the package name is build-essential, actually
[07:59] <jasonm> eugman, im trying to install Rufus... i followed the instructions found here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent
[07:59] <eugman> Akulah, you'd save time if you went straight to asking that question.
[07:59] <akulah> when edgy will be available as cd image?
[07:59] <eobanb> akulah, not for a while
[07:59] <eobanb> akulah, discuss edgy in #ubuntu+1
[07:59] <whitepyro> ok its installing
[07:59] <chariscomp> Any further questions or suggestions?
[07:59] <akulah> K
[07:59] <akulah> TNX
[07:59] <akulah> no thanks
[07:59] <jasonm> eugman, i get a message saying: dpkg-deb: `rufus_0.6.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[08:00] <eugman> Jasonm, well from your massive pasting it sounded like the deb was corrupt or broken.
[08:00] <eugman> but I'm a semi-newb so it's a guess.
[08:00] <whitepyro> ugh
[08:00] <eugman> Does the site have a hash of the deb?
[08:00] <soop> sec, im gonna give you a bunch to apt-get
[08:00] <whitepyro> ok
[08:00] <whitepyro> cause theres new errors now lol
[08:00] <whitepyro> so thats good :P
[08:01] <fowlduck-> is there a way to use apt or dpkg to install all packages in a certain directory
[08:01] <ymeng> hi, i have a question on apm / acpi power management, can anyone help?
[08:01] <soop> whats the new error?
[08:01] <eugman> Fowlduck, install from or to?
[08:01] <ajax4> I got an error when I ran Software Update today. It said that it could not upgrade "libcairo2"...anyone know what this is all about?
[08:01] <soop> whitepyro jabber<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:01] <fowlduck-> eugman, from
[08:01] <soop> err gmail.com
[08:01] <whitepyro> its on qmail-remote.c
[08:02] <jasonm> eugman, i also have, Rufus_0.6.9_src.zip... would you or anyone else be able to explain to me how to install this type of fike
[08:02] <whitepyro> hmm i don't have a jabber acct lemme see if i can make one
[08:02] <eobanb> jasonm, you are trying to build from source?
[08:02] <soop> whitepyro: got msn?
[08:02] <fowlduck-> eugman, as in, I'll have a directory full of packages that I want to install, and they satisfy eachother's dependencies
[08:02] <soop> msn is the same
[08:02] <spades> fowlduck have you tried dpkg -i *  ?
[08:02] <InnerFIRE> is there a certain way i should install flash with wine?
[08:02] <soop> do yourself a favour, get a gmail account
[08:02] <InnerFIRE> it says some .dll cant be opend
[08:02] <InnerFIRE> ?
[08:02] <jasonm> eobanb, well since the .deb is broken it seems to be my only other option
[08:02] <SurfnKid> wow, amaroK now works
[08:03] <fowlduck-> spades, nopers, was just wondering before I do all that work for nothing
[08:03] <fyrestrtr> best to ask in #wine
[08:03] <eugman> fowlduck, sudo dkpg -i filename should do it. I'm not sure about a bunch of mutuall dependant ones though.
[08:03] <chariscomp> Can anyone help me with installing Ubuntu Dapper Drake using software RAID to mirror partitions?
[08:03] <SurfnKid> dont know what happened but it now plays streaming music, where before it actually crashed each time
[08:03] <reemusk> when i start firestarter it says "the device eth0 s not ready, please check your network settings and try again" well obviously it's ready if i'm using it! can anyone assist?
[08:03] <whitepyro> ya i got msn and I do have a gmail account..
[08:03] <fyrestrtr> SurfnKid: there was a recent update to it.
[08:03] <eugman> jasonm do you even have build-essential installed?
[08:03] <soop> whitepyro: gmail = jabber account
[08:03] <fowlduck-> eugman, ok, thanks for the suggestion, and you too spades
[08:03] <soop> google gmail and jabber setup
[08:03] <SurfnKid> fyrestrtr: auto or manual
[08:04] <ymeng> hello, first timer here, how should I start? just post question, hoping someone picks up? I'm confused...
[08:04] <SurfnKid> fyrestrtr: cuz i didnt do anything
[08:04] <fyrestrtr> ymeng: you got it :)
[08:04] <SurfnKid> ymeng: just chat and someone will pick up eventually :P
[08:04] <jasonm> eugman, if dapper doesnt come with it, then i dont.
[08:04] <Madpilot> ymeng, yes, just start asking questions - nobody here bites (well, they shouldn't...) ;)
[08:04] <ymeng> k :)
[08:04] <SurfnKid> ymeng: if not, its not that we're ignoring you :D
[08:04] <ymeng> i have questions on apm / acpi power management
[08:04] <SurfnKid> ymeng: hey those were my questions!
[08:04] <SurfnKid> :P
[08:05] <eugman> ymeng, come on you still aren't asking. You are describing.
[08:05] <fraroco> hello
[08:05] <fraroco> every body
[08:05] <ymeng> my cpu fan runs like crazy, (no problem with XP)
[08:05] <eugman> Fraroco, do you have a quesiton?
[08:05] <eobanb> welcome, fraroco
[08:05] <ymeng> i checked /proc can't see acpi, but i can see apm
[08:05] <ymeng> how do i enable acpi, disable apm
[08:05] <fraroco> I wanna join the sever irc.globalchat.org eugman but I can not find it in the list of servers
[08:06] <eobanb> fraroco, /server irc.globalchat.org
[08:06] <fraroco> eobanb thanks hello.
[08:06] <SurfnKid> hehe
[08:06] <SurfnKid> that was an easy
[08:06] <SurfnKid> one
[08:06] <eobanb> oh, right, i forgot xchat's default is to not open a new tab >_<
[08:06] <chariscomp> I have asked about RAID 1 during installation many times here. Is there some problem with my question or the way I am asking it? Or is it simply a case of no one knowing how to answer? Thanks for any response.
[08:06] <SurfnKid> eobanb: if real life work would be this easy
[08:06] <eobanb> heh
[08:07] <SurfnKid> chariscomp: simply a case of no one knowing
[08:07] <Madpilot> chariscomp, silence usually indicates ignorance
[08:07] <eobanb> chariscomp, have you tried posting on the forum
[08:07] <SurfnKid> :P
[08:07] <SurfnKid> whats better acpi or apm or is there not necessarily a better choice, just that one does one thing and the other one does different?
[08:07] <farky> eobanb:well, that didn't really work
[08:07] <eugman> Ubuntu wiki run on moinmoin right?
[08:08] <cwillu> what's the name of the package to make firefox pretend to be explorer?
[08:08] <tonyyarusso> SurfnKid: ACPI is a newer standard, and more powerful I believe.
[08:08] <eobanb> farky, were you having nvidia driver issues? (i cant quite remember)
[08:08] <farky> eobanb: yeah
[08:08] <reemusk> fyrestrtr: can you assist me with firestarter? when i start firestarter it says "the device eth0 s not ready, please check your network settings and try again" well obviously it's ready if i'm using it!
[08:08] <ymeng> i'm hoping acpi can help, because it sounds like more advanced than apm
[08:08] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: i see, could there be a way to integrate acpi with apm
[08:08] <eobanb> farky, what's the problem
[08:08] <eugman> Cwillu, go toe the firfox site and search for an extention relating to user-agent
[08:08] <chariscomp> No, I have to get this machine working by tomorrow morning. I thought this might be the quicker response method. Thanks for letting me know that my question is not being answered simply due to ignorance.
[08:08] <eugman> I think.......
[08:08] <eobanb> farky, i assume you followed the ubuntu wiki instructions
[08:08] <farky> eobanb: you pointed me to the wiki to get them installed, but I did what it said and nothing really happened
[08:09] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: at this point my power button will not option to standby/shutdown/restart
[08:09] <tonyyarusso> SurfnKid: Not to my knowledge anyway - I think they're totally separate things.
[08:09] <SurfnKid> Dapper used to do so
[08:09] <ymeng> i assume i have apm running, because I can ampd
[08:09] <ymeng> i can see ampd
[08:09] <fyrestrtr> reemusk: hrmm ... that's a strange error.
[08:09] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: oh ok right
[08:09] <jasonm> this is helpful
[08:09] <eobanb> farky, does nvidia show up as a driver option when you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:09] <eobanb> farky, also, what graphics card do you have
[08:09] <reemusk> fyrestrtr: any ideas? i'm pretty sure i configured it right
[08:09] <SurfnKid> i wish i could get lmsensors going
[08:10] <fyrestrtr> reemusk: so you didn't go with the whole shorewall thing?
[08:10] <eobanb> SurfnKid, does your hardware have sensors?
[08:10] <SurfnKid> fan kciks in at 55C instead of 48 where i want it
[08:10] <farky> eobanb: i forget if it does, and I have a eVGA GeForce 6800 GS
[08:10] <eobanb> SurfnKid, if it's old enough (pre 2000 or so) it may not have sensors the software can access directly
[08:10] <SurfnKid> eobanb: yeah, I can control both GPU and CPU fans on XP thru I8KGUI
[08:10] <eobanb> SurfnKid, ah, okay
[08:11] <eobanb> farky, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:11] <eugman> Pffft metric! I measure by stones per furlong.
[08:11] <SurfnKid> eobanb: its a Dell 8600 lappy, Bios turns them on which is ok but i wish i could control them
[08:11] <reemusk> fyrestrtr: no sir
[08:11] <eobanb> farky, then scroll down and check if it's using nv or nvidia
[08:11] <ymeng> i can see ampd, so i figured i'm running apm, how do i enable acpi?
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> SurfnKid: I think there are instructions for modifying things like the fan on the ThinkWiki site, might help.
[08:12] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: will look thx
[08:12] <ymeng> there should be a acpid running
[08:12] <fyrestrtr> reemusk: let me install firestarter and see what is going on. I use shorewall -- I tried firestarter once but it didn't give me the control that I wanted (I have two network cards, and I run a vpn)
[08:12] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: definitely need the fan control
[08:12] <fyrestrtr> SurfnKid: you might have to build in the module for lmsensors
[08:12] <farky> eobanb: it says nvidia, and should I had the "RenderAccel" "true" property?
[08:13] <eobanb> farky, okay, great, you're using the nvidia binary drivers then.  can you open a new terminal and do glxinfo
[08:13] <eobanb> farky, and then pastebin the output
[08:13] <eobanb> !paste
[08:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:13] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: dont care much about apm, acpi runs, so it does cool off at approx~55C and off at 45C so its ok, but these laptops are so delicate, they are known for frying. so i dont wanna risk any dumb factor i didnt take in concern, like overheating
[08:14] <eugman> Come on, I need more easy questions so i can develop a false sense of contribution.
[08:15] <tonyyarusso> SurfnKid: Yeah, I'm considering the same.  I'm running at 51, and it often goes over.  (I've seen it go up to 79 once when there was a bug in the temp control and speedstep during beta before I noticed.)
[08:15] <reemusk> fyrestrtr: i'm just on a pc with 1 nic interface
[08:15] <farky> eobanb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17145
[08:15] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: ouch, be careful, so yousay its ThinkKiwi then? got a site
[08:16] <girish> hi all can anyone help me to backup the downloaded applications ?
[08:16] <tonyyarusso> SurfnKid: Wiki, not kiwi ;) http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
[08:16] <SurfnKid> lol
[08:17] <SurfnKid> my mind is still in New Zealand
[08:17] <fyrestrtr> reemusk: okay, how did you set it up?
[08:18] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: oh but thats for ThinkPads, mmm got one for Dells?
[08:18] <SurfnKid> :P
[08:18] <Al2O3> hello.
[08:18] <eobanb> farky, could you pastebin your xorg.conf
[08:18] <eobanb> welcome, Al2O3
[08:18] <fyrestrtr> SurfnKid: google 'linux (your dell laptop model)'
[08:18] <farky> yeah
[08:18] <SurfnKid> k
[08:18] <girish> HI dear frenz ...can nyone help me to backup the softwares i have installed to use it after installing a fresh copy og ubuntu 6?
[08:19] <hydroksyde> is it OK to develop proprietary software?
[08:19] <eobanb> girish, what software
[08:19] <fyrestrtr> hydroksyde: sure
[08:19] <kijun> hi all
[08:19] <Al2O3> Just a quick statement, then a question or two about permissions on the desktop.  I have used PPC on eMac Ubuntu occasionally in the past, not much.  I'm now installed with Dapper Drake (6.06) on x86 to setup the machine for the kids and children.
[08:19] <eobanb> hydroksyde, sure, just abide by the GPL..
[08:19] <fyrestrtr> hydroksyde: I do it all the time.
[08:19] <reemusk> i figured it out fyrstrtr:)
[08:19] <reemusk> gnite all
[08:19] <hydroksyde> ah
[08:19] <kijun> I have a problem with my DSL connection, is anyone can help me please...
[08:19] <Al2O3> that all said, I have the DD6.06 install done.  Insert CD, and it is owned by root (which is fine), but Movie Player can't read the device.
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> SurfnKid: Not offhand, but there may exist such a thing.  I'm lucky that my computer matches an exhaustive resource ;)  Don't know how much overlap there is to other machines.
[08:20] <eugman> Hydrosyde, it's understandable in certain situations but I don't like being stuck with a windows 95 program because the comapny went belly up.
[08:20] <farky> eobanb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17146
[08:20] <eobanb> Al2O3, what sort of CD is it
[08:20] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: is it a dvd?
[08:20] <Al2O3> cd
[08:20] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: yeah im sure there is some compatibility i just have to read a lot, whicih i dont mind
[08:20] <Al2O3> ISO with one file on it, an .avi
[08:20] <SurfnKid> tonyyarusso: seem to get better results on linux than on windows lately :)
[08:20] <kijun> I have to do "pppoeconf" all the time whenever I reboot my labtop to get on the internet... how can I fix this??
[08:20] <Al2O3> its an ownership thing.
[08:20] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: you probably need to mount the iso first.
[08:20] <girish_> HI dear frenz ...can nyone help me to backup the softwares i have installed to use it after installing a fresh copy og ubuntu 6?
[08:21] <eobanb> farky, yeah, try enabling RenderAccel
[08:21] <farky> [
[08:21] <eugman> kijun, not a fix but you could have it run automatically by editing your sessions preferences.
[08:21] <gdb> hydroksyde: You do not have to follow the GPL if you are developing proprietary applications on Linux that do not include GPL'ed source.  You do not have to abide by the GPL if you use GPL code in your own personal projects or "proprietary" software that you do not redistribute, either.
[08:21] <farky> eobanb: ok, and restart X?
[08:21] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, the CD is a CD, ISO standard (9006 or whatever)
[08:21] <Al2O3> it is  not a .iso
[08:21] <hydroksyde> gdb, yes
[08:21] <girish_> HI dear frenz ...can nyone help me to backup the softwares i have installed to use it after installing a fresh copy og ubuntu 6?
[08:21] <kijun> eugman:  really?  then.. what about password that I need to type in?
[08:21] <eobanb> girish, what software
[08:22] <eobanb> girish_, what software
[08:22] <Al2O3> I'm wondering, with root.root ownership, Movie Player doesn't seem to want to play it, and users don't seem to have the ability to read it (can't cp the .avi off the CD, but can view it on the Desktop)
[08:22] <gdb> eobanb's response to you could have been construed as being misleading so I wanted to make sure you were clear on those points.
[08:22] <Al2O3> anyone got an idea on why this is the case?
[08:22] <girish_> i installed webserver apache and many ide's so i dont want to loose them wen i install newer ubuntu
[08:22] <eugman> Kijun, A little bit harder but i think you could amke a root owned bash script which starts it and is executable by anyone and have session start that up after boot.
[08:23] <girish_> eobanb: i installed webserver apache and many ide's so i dont want to loose them wen i install newer ubuntu
[08:23] <Al2O3> btw, super easy install, much like BeOS...  Congrads to the folks at Ubuntu for taking Linux to another level of simplicity.
[08:23] <fyrestrtr> girish_: backup /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:23] <girish_> how to do that
[08:23] <girish_> ?
[08:23] <kijun> eugman:  I can write it but I have no idea how I can save my password, do you know?
[08:23] <farky> eobanb: ok
[08:23] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: well, can you browse it from nautilus?
[08:23] <eobanb> girish, i assume you want to back up your httpd.conf
[08:23] <eobanb> girish_
[08:24] <girish_> yeah i want to backup the sources too
[08:24] <fyrestrtr> gdb: he means IDEs
[08:24] <eobanb> 'the sources'?
[08:24] <eugman> gdb, ide's are programming enviroments.
[08:24] <girish_> yes the sources as well as configurations
[08:24] <gdb> I know what an IDE is, I didn't get the connection to apache.
[08:24] <eugman> Kijun, you don't have to. If root owns it then it has permission to run the program.
[08:24] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: do you know what format the movie is in? Could be that movie player just can't recognize the format.
[08:24] <farky> eobanb: ok, i added "RenderAccel"    "true"
[08:24] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, no it can't read it, permissions not allowed.
[08:24] <eobanb> farky, and then you have to restart X (ctrl-alt-backspace) for it to take effect
[08:25] <Al2O3> Its mounted at /media/cdrom0/...
[08:25] <farky> eobanb: i did
[08:25] <gdb> What he's saying is, "I've installed a bunch of random crap that I want to keep when I wipe the machine."  My question would be, "why wipe the machine, then.  What's preventing an upgrade?"
[08:25] <eugman> Kijun, or does that program need a password for another reason?
[08:25] <eobanb> Al2O3, what sort of files are on the disc
[08:25] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: hrmm, that is strange ... you let the system mount it, or you mounted it yourself?
[08:25] <kijun> eugman:  I mean... whenever you do "pppoeconf", it asks you the ID and password for your DSL service... that's what I meant
[08:25] <Al2O3> system mounts it
[08:25] <eugman> Ahh ok.
[08:25] <Al2O3> eobanb, like I said, one .avi
[08:25] <fyrestrtr> gdb: I think he wants to replicate the configuration on another machine, without having to redownload everything.
[08:25] <eobanb> Al2O3, sorry, i must have missed that
[08:26] <girish_> hi thanx frenz
[08:26] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: don't know what it could be, can you copy the file to your desktop and play it from there?
[08:26] <Al2O3> np
[08:26] <Al2O3> nope
[08:26] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, tried that already
[08:26] <farky> eobanb: i already restarted it
[08:26] <girish_> i mean thanx fyrestrtr and eobanb
[08:26] <Al2O3> its root.root owned, with permission 600
[08:26] <gdb> girish_: Are you wanting to upgrade the machine this software is installed on or duplicate the installation on another machine that's running a newer Ubuntu?
[08:26] <eugman> Kijun open up a terminal and type man pppoeconf, it may list a way you can send the information as an argument .
[08:27] <girish_> i want to upgrade this machine
[08:27] <girish_> am using
[08:27] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: strange -- file a bug and then change the owner of the file.
[08:27] <Al2O3> its weird, I would have suspected the CD rom would have mounted as owned by the current user.
[08:27] <kijun> eugman: that's good idea.
[08:27] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, can't change it, it is CDROM
[08:27] <kijun> eugman:  I will try right now.
[08:27] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: yeah you can ;)
[08:27] <girish_> gdb : i want to upgrade this machine
[08:27] <girish_> girish_ am using
[08:27] <gdb> girish_: So what is the compelling reason you have to wipe the machine rather than upgrading the operating system in place?
[08:27] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, I'll try.
[08:27] <eugman> Kijun, after enough linux you get used to that sort of thinking.
[08:27] <eobanb> farky, try glxinfo again
[08:27] <girish_> i cant find a way to upgrade
[08:27] <girish_> thatz it
[08:28] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: see what entry you have for your cdrom in /etc/fstab
[08:28] <girish_> the gksudo doesn't provide option
[08:28] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, nope, Read Only File System error.
[08:28] <farky> eobanb: same thing as before
[08:28] <gdb> girish_: Then I think the question you want to be asking is, "how can I upgrade the Ubuntu I have to the new Ubuntu?" rather than what you've asked so far.
[08:28] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, this is the Desktop 6.06 distro, right out of the box.  No mods.
[08:28] <eugman> girish, read this wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[08:28] <tito_> i installed Xubuntu but i sweat it looks like Gnome.......any way to make it look a bit diff?
[08:28] <Al2O3> Only thing I want to do with this system is make a simple computer/media center for the kids and wife.
[08:28] <Al2O3> I'll check out /etc/fstab
[08:28] <kijun> eugman:  there is very little infomation about pppoeconf unlike the other commands
[08:28] <eugman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[08:29] <matheus> hello!
[08:29] <fyrestrtr> tito_: you can always change the theme
[08:29] <Al2O3> btw, how can I get a root account on this distro...  Tried to Terminal/su and says I can't.
[08:29] <Al2O3> do I need to add me to admin group?
[08:29] <eugman> Matheus, have a question? Skip to step three where you ask if so.
[08:29] <fyrestrtr> !root
[08:29] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:29] <girish_> gdb:gdb: but the problem is that i got some link yesterday to some manual and the options shown in that are not there in my desktop app
[08:29] <kijun> eugman:  only description and author...
[08:29] <matheus> eugman, yes :)
[08:29] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: ^ is for you
[08:29] <matheus> eugman, when upgrade to ubuntu 6
[08:29] <SurfnKid> goin to crash, thx for the help guys
[08:30] <gdb> girish_: huh?
[08:30] <SurfnKid> l8r
[08:30] <eugman> Kijun, hmm how odd. pppoeconf --help may work but I doubt it. I'll do some snooping on the internets.
[08:30] <matheus> eugman, app that I did build with the old kernel headers... Need to rebuild ?
[08:30] <eugman> Matheus, NOW! Seriously you can do it anytime you want.
[08:30] <girish_> gdb:yes the gksudo doesnot show a button to upgrade to newer linux
[08:30] <girish_> as it is said in the manual
[08:30] <InnerFIRE> why does firefox randomly close by itself..
[08:30] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: a quick way to become root is to type sudo bash -- and when you are done, type exit. We discourage people using root for anything other that short sysadmin tasks, which is why the root account is 'disabled' on ubuntu installs, and we encourage the use of sudo.
[08:30] <InnerFIRE> i installed it with wine so that i could use flash8
[08:31] <eugman> Matheus, probably since dapper uses a newer version of the kernel but I'm no expert
[08:31] <gdb> girish_: Which Ubuntu are you running?  And have you installed *every* available update?
[08:31] <kijun> eugman:  I did that so many times...
[08:31] <kijun> eugman:  thanks for your help anyway
[08:31] <matheus> eugman, is too many apps :(
[08:31] <girish_> am running 5.1
[08:31] <girish_> breezy
[08:31] <eugman> Well You might be able to lock your kernel version.
[08:31] <gdb> girish_: Also, you do not need or want to use -d at this time.
[08:32] <eugman> Or even better I may be wrong.
[08:32] <gdb> girish_: That would have you installing Edgy Eft, not Dapper Drake.  Simply run Update Manager normally.
[08:32] <farky> eobanb: I got the same output as last time
[08:32] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, I have been using *NIX for about 17 years :)
[08:32] <gdb> girish_: Your other option is to do the editing of /etc/apt/souces.list method.
[08:33] <matheus> anyone can tell me about if need to rebuild apps that uses kernel headers when upgrade to dapper ....
[08:33] <girish_> to do wat?
[08:33] <Al2O3> I have once on NeXTStep 0.9 destroyed an install back in 1989 with bad use of su, I learned then to do stupid things once and never again.
[08:33] <gdb> girish_: if I am not mistaken, the alternative CD also offers an "upgrade in place" option (I could be mistaken about that one).
[08:33] <Al2O3> but I appreciate the scene here and will use sudo instead.
[08:33] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: ah then -- you should know why we discourage the use of 'root' here. Ubuntu attracts a lot of linux newbies.
[08:33] <Al2O3> yes, I appreciate that :)
[08:33] <girish_> but wat can i do by eiting sources.list?
[08:33] <Al2O3> and I have done dumb things to know why.
[08:33] <girish_> but wat can i do by editing sources.list?
[08:33] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: you are lucky, I had to wreck a gentoo server ... twice before I learned that lesson.
[08:33] <gdb> girish_: What's posted in that documentation that ubotu keeps telling you about.
[08:33] <girish_> ok
[08:34] <girish_> thank u verymuch gdb
[08:34] <gdb> girish_: You can upgrade to Dapper in place.
[08:34] <girish_> ok
[08:34] <Al2O3> ok, here is the entry for /etc/fstab
[08:34] <gdb> girish_: Change all instances of "breezy" to "dapper" do an apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:34] <Al2O3> /dev/hdc  /media/cdrom0  udf,iso9660 user,noauto  0   0
[08:34] <gdb> make sure you back up your important files first ;) (which probably brings you back to your original question).
[08:34] <Al2O3> that seems standard
[08:35] <Al2O3> and shouldn't it then be mounted as the user currently in session?
[08:35] <eugman> fyrestrtr, whats the difference between sudo su and sudo bash?
[08:35] <girish_> ok gdb will that consume a lot of my download limit
[08:35] <girish_> ?
[08:35] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: yeah, don't know what happened in your case. It really is strange. My knee jerk would be to add a mask to the options line in fstab, but I wonder why it would do that to you, and not to me.
[08:35] <tonyyarusso> Can you use the Desktop CD as an apt source?
[08:36] <gdb> girish_: It will not consume any more than downloading a Dapper CD image would.  But it will consume a fair bit of it.
[08:36] <InnerFIRE> why does firefox randomly close by itself..
[08:36] <InnerFIRE> i installed it with wine so that i could use flash8
[08:36] <Al2O3> tonyyarusso, was that directed to me?
[08:36] <Al2O3> and if so, what is apt source mean?
[08:36] <tonyyarusso> Al2O3: Only if you know the answer.
[08:36] <Al2O3> lol
[08:36] <Al2O3> ok, I guess not.
[08:37] <fyrestrtr> eugman: sudo -- temporarily allows you to run commands as another user, as long as you are in a sudoers list file. You use your own password to authenticate. su is switch user, for which you need the password of the other user account you want to switch to. sudo bash just launches the bash shell as the superuser (root).
[08:37] <girish_> ok can i backup all the applications in cache to harddisk and start from a fresh install and afterwards copy the backup files to cache again?
[08:37] <girish_> gdb:
[08:38] <fyrestrtr> another (subtle, but important) difference is that your shell environment doesn't change with sudo, only with su.
[08:38] <girish_> r they version independent
[08:38] <girish_> ?
[08:38] <girish_> i mean the packages
[08:38] <gdb> girish_: Since none of really has a firm grasp on what you're asking, "backup my <unspecified> applications", what you're asking is really outside the scope of this channel.  I would encourage you to seek consulting services local to where you are.
[08:38] <farky> eobanb: i think i got it to work! check out this pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17147
[08:38] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, so how would the entry in /etc/fstab look to work for me here?
[08:38] <theshibboleth> I'm trying to use gftp, but I seem only to be able to type in the first four characters of my password. Any ideas?
[08:38] <girish_> ok thank u gdb
[08:38] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, I'll take a hack solution to make this work now instead of doing it 'right' and figuring out a clean solution.
[08:39] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: add a mask= option, which gives a liberal mask to the files. Like 666
[08:39] <rixth> Is there any decent Flash for x64 yet?
[08:39] <gdb> girish_: I'm just afraid that if you went by random advice from people making assumptions about what software you're talking about, you're going to end up losing data.
[08:39] <gdb> girish_: It sounds to me like you need to have a friend / guru / etc actually look at your machine and talk over with you what you're wanting to do, and then helping you make that transition.
[08:39] <girish_> ok gdb: now i will try some fair way
[08:39] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, makes sense, will do it.
[08:40] <Al2O3> right now I sudo'ed to root with sudo sh, then copying to desktop, and seeing if that will work.
[08:40] <Al2O3> I'll do the mask solution to make it work (brute force) and see if that also works.
[08:40] <Al2O3> brb with results.
[08:40] <gdb> Al2O3: I think you want to use "sudo -s" for that. ;-)
[08:40] <gdb> With no other arguments.
[08:42] <Al2O3> gdb, I use sh by default :)
[08:42] <fyrestrtr> rixth: don't think so.
[08:42] <Al2O3> so -s and sh are the same to me
[08:42] <rixth> I hate that. Practically all processors made these days are 64bit, right?
[08:42] <gdb> so are sh and bash
[08:43] <Al2O3> rixth, no practically all processors today are 8 bit or 16
[08:43] <rixth> Well, computer processors.
[08:43] <rixth> Not microwave or calculator processors =)
[08:43] <Al2O3> :)
[08:43] <Al2O3> or car processors, or space shuttle processors
[08:43] <gdb> The 3 processors that run an F/A-18 are 8088s.
[08:43] <rixth> Good ole 2038 bug.
[08:43] <fyrestrtr> or processors for your phone or pda
[08:44] <Al2O3> scarey thought that foam is not going to stop the NASA 'discovery' channel.
[08:44] <professornorf> yarg
[08:44] <fyrestrtr> are they going to try it again?
[08:44] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, they are a go with launch today
[08:44] <rixth> fyrestrtr, Tuesday
[08:44] <Al2O3> and my kid said, wait for daytime fireworks.
[08:44] <gdb> It's scary how NASA used to be a bunch of really bright guys doing really amazing things.    If this one doesn't fly, NASA may as well kiss its ass goodbye and hello to smallscale commercial solutions.
[08:45] <fyrestrtr> rixth: the mobile ones from intel are.
[08:46] <gdb> rixth: is having 2 physical CPUs worth the money to you?
[08:46] <dli> rixth, yes, run gentoo :)
[08:46] <gdb> dli: yay a fanboi
[08:46] <gdb> #gentoo is that way ~~>
[08:46] <dli> fyrestrtr, amd also has dual core mobil
[08:46] <rixth> I just feel it's time for a PC upgrade. The fact of no Flash worries me, though.
[08:46] <fyrestrtr> dli: yeah but I heard they have heat management issues.
[08:46] <fyrestrtr> rixth: buy a mac then -- flash runs fine, and its dual core.
[08:47] <Cntryboy> only shit im lagging
[08:47] <dli> rixth, sounds like a software problem
[08:47] <Cntryboy> Hello all, I backed up all my /var/cache/apt/archives today and reinstalled using kubuntu, but now after I copied files from cd-r to the dir and type in sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx I get an error
[08:47] <professornorf> Cntryboy, what error
[08:47] <rixth> I mean, I've just ordered a new Dell LCD (woop!) and I've currently got 512mb ram and 2400+ XP CPU. Kinda lacking, I need my machine to match m display
[08:47] <gdb> Cntryboy: I did something today and it didn't work.  Why?
[08:47] <fyrestrtr> Cntryboy: copied to where?
[08:47] <gdb> Cntryboy: You need to be a bit more explicit about your issue.
[08:48] <Cntryboy> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:48] <Cntryboy> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:48] <Cntryboy> is only available from another source
[08:48] <Cntryboy> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[08:48] <Cntryboy> opps sorry
[08:48] <Madpilot> rixth, just stuff a bunch more RAM in your current box - 1Gb + a 2400+ CPU will be fine
[08:48] <rixth> Madpilot, and fx5200 gfx.
[08:48] <rixth> This display is 1920 * 1200 pixels, not sure that card will even output at that res.
[08:48] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, btw, where in that line should the mask=644 be inserted, and tab delimited?  should it read...
[08:49] <tito_> /
[08:49] <Al2O3> /dev/hdc<tab>/media/cdrom0<tab>udf,iso9660,mask=644<tab>...
[08:49] <fyrestrtr> in the options column, where it has user,noauto
[08:49] <Cntryboy> mmm, I copied my backed up /var/cache/apt/archives from a cd-r and pasted them in /var/cache/apt/archives after I reinstalled.. Then I typed sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and I get that error I pasted up top..
[08:49] <fyrestrtr> no, <tab>udf,iso9660<tab>user,noauto,mask=644<tab>
[08:50] <Al2O3> ok, the copy to desktop worked with Terminal and sudo -s/sh
[08:50] <dli> Cntryboy, don't repeat :(
[08:50] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, ty
[08:50] <Al2O3> now I'll try and remount
[08:50] <dli> Cntryboy, obiviously, you need packages.ubuntu.com
[08:50] <Cntryboy> he wanted to know where, and ive already said it
[08:51] <Cntryboy> dli is it, why would I need the packages when I have them in my dir
[08:51] <fyrestrtr> Cntryboy: you copied the packages from the same version?
[08:51] <Cntryboy> remember I BACKED them up
[08:51] <Ademan> hey how do i make grub aware of a windows partition?
[08:51] <Cntryboy> I copied them after I reinstalled kubuntu
[08:51] <fyrestrtr> Ademan: just add the entry to its menu.lst file
[08:52] <Cntryboy> how easier do I have to explain this lol
[08:52] <Ademan> fyrestrtr: alright, we'll see how well i'll do with that, thanks though
[08:52] <fyrestrtr> Ademan: there is a wiki entry for that
[08:52] <Ademan> haha, alright, i'll chec kit out
[08:53] <professornorf> Cntryboy, your ghay
[08:53] <Cntryboy> I have 2.1KB so I backed up the archive files so I wouldn't have to redownload them, after fresh reinstall I copied the back up files to the main archive dir. But the apt-get install isn't working like normal
[08:53] <Al2O3> trying to restart, as an eject and close doesn't mount the CD at all...
[08:54] <Cntryboy> professornorf: what ever dude
[08:54] <g-nome> should i update lo libcairo2?
[08:54] <Al2O3> professornorf, I'm new here and I find you offensive.
[08:54] <selinium> hi all, is there an OS application similar to Ghost for linux
[08:54] <Cntryboy> it's just Ive repeated myself now for a 100 times, and im still getting asked the same questions..
[08:54] <fyrestrtr> selinium: norton ghost?
[08:55] <selinium> fyrestrtr: yes, similar to norton ghost...
[08:56] <fyrestrtr> selinium: well, not sure. But there are ways to get similar functionality. You can create your own livecds, or have a central server that holds all your packages from which you install.
[08:56] <Cntryboy> can't anyone help me with this?
[08:56] <fyrestrtr> selinium: there are people that have done it before, but I don't recall there being an app that does it in one shot.
[08:56] <professornorf> Cntryboy, i can
[08:56] <fyrestrtr> Cntryboy: question -- what do you mean 'I have 2.1KB'
[08:56] <Cntryboy> 2.1kb dial up
[08:56] <Duff> Alright guys.
[08:56] <selinium> fyrestrtr: and use an 'if of' type arrangement?
[08:56] <Duff> I'm back.
[08:57] <professornorf> Cntryboy, i can help you
[08:57] <Cntryboy> so i was trying to save myself the trouble of redownloading, by backing up the files in archives
[08:57] <fyrestrtr> selinium: don't understand what you mean by 'if of' type arrangement.
[08:57] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, once I take out the mask=644 we are back to mounting with root.root and 600 permissions
[08:57] <Cntryboy> after i reinstalled using kubuntu, I copied the files from cd-r I made and put them in the main archive dir.
[08:57] <Al2O3> weird as getup.
[08:57] <Al2O3> I know this should not be happening.
[08:57] <Cntryboy> apt-get install gives me an error when i know I have that file
[08:58] <fyrestrtr> Cntryboy: let me get this straight -- you had a kubuntu workstation.  Then you installed kubuntu on another PC, and copied the packages over, and now apt-get won't read the new packages. Is this correct?
[08:58] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: hrmm, you can try one thing.
[08:58] <professornorf> no fyrestrtr
[08:58] <professornorf> thats not it at all
[08:58] <fyrestrtr> Al2O3: try setting the guid or uid instead of the umask.
[08:58] <professornorf> what Cntryboy is trying to say is hes retarded
[08:58] <Cntryboy> fyrestrtr: pretty close, I had ubuntu at first, and reinstalled using kubuntu on this pc
[08:58] <professornorf> and dosnt know how to perform basic mindless repetitive tasks
[08:59] <professornorf> right Cntryboy?
[08:59] <Al2O3> ok, I'm uid 1000, so I'll try uid=1000   ???
[08:59] <Cntryboy> professornorf: thx dude :) glad u have fun acting 10 yippie for u, wanna slushi?
[08:59] <Ademan> what should i put for the kernel in menu.lst? I gave it the title and root partition... do i need to specify a kernel for a windows boot?
[08:59] <selinium> fyrestrtr: cheers, I want to build a live CD to administer all types of networks. including windoze.... arghhh :)
[08:59] <professornorf> Cntryboy, yes as a matter of fact i do
[08:59] <professornorf> add jager to it
[08:59] <professornorf> and we'll all be happy
[09:00] <Cntryboy> week and half to linux professqueer eat me
[09:00] <Cntryboy> now buzz off kid
[09:00] <professornorf> im not hungry
[09:00] <fyrestrtr> Cntryboy: I'm not an expert, but I don't know if kubuntu and ubuntu packages are interchangable. Anyway, you could just do dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/sources/package-file-name
[09:00] <Duff> Do you guys know where I can get a live CD?  I tried the ubuntu website, but the ship-it website is down.
[09:01] <Al2O3> well, that is a bit better, now I'm not able to play it due to the codec's not being installed :)
[09:01] <Cntryboy> fyrestrtr: still here man?
[09:01] <fyrestrtr> ufk: that's the login manager, you can just install another one.
[09:01] <ufk> i don't want a login manager
[09:01] <ufk> i have no login manager.
[09:01] <Al2O3> next question, is there a bulk distro/install package for the major encoders to work with Movie Player?
[09:01] <Madpilot> Duff, you can download the ISO & burn your own - it's a ~600Mb download
[09:02] <fyrestrtr> ufk: you just want to login directly to gnome?
[09:02] <Al2O3> or is the FAQ starting to sound like my friend here?
[09:02] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell Al2O3 about restricted
[09:02] <fyrestrtr> !tell Al2O3 about RestrictedFormats
[09:02] <jgonzalez> hi, i have 2 ubuntus and has the same problem, in "printer driver list" appears in blank, what could happend ?
[09:02] <jgonzalez> thanks
[09:02] <ufk> fyrestrtr, or anything else... if i want to change the default window manger to something else, what do i dol?
[09:02] <Cntryboy> professornorf: if your god help me with my problem instead of acting childish, i'm stoned, it's late, i'm tired, and im new to linux.. alright?
[09:02] <fyrestrtr> ufk: just install another one -- there are a few in the repositories.
[09:02] <Al2O3> !root
[09:02] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:02] <fyrestrtr> !restricted
[09:02] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:03] <Al2O3> ah, ! notation is for the bot, ubotu :)  I'm getting warmer now.
[09:03] <Madpilot> Cntryboy, professornorf got himself banned
[09:03] <g-nome> i can't upodate libcairo2 :-(, it says: Depends on libfreetype6 (>=2.2.1), but 2.1.10-1ubuntu2.1 is installed. ???
[09:03] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, ty
[09:03] <fyrestrtr> hrmm the tell trigger is not working.
[09:03] <Madpilot> Al2O3, you should have gotten a PM from ubotu too
[09:03] <ufk> ok i found it thanks
[09:03] <Cntryboy> madpilot: okay
[09:04] <Deadly_Aim> does anyone who knows exactly how to install wine on breezy wanna help me in private chat?
[09:04] <Deadly_Aim> i need help :P
[09:04] <Cntryboy> fyrestrtr: can you help me purdy please :(, im sooo tired of sitting here
[09:05] <Consty> Deadly_Aim: Thought that the channel only supports dapper now?
[09:05] <Al2O3> Madpilot, I sure did
[09:05] <fyrestrtr> Cntryboy: I wish I could, but I don't have experience with kubuntu and I don't want to give you wrong advice.
[09:05] <fyrestrtr> Cntryboy: ask in #kubuntu
[09:05] <fyrestrtr> ubotu: botsnack
[09:05] <ubotu> I know nothing about botsnack
[09:05] <Cntryboy> fyrestrtr: if I was using just gnome what would u tell me to do, ill try it
[09:05] <jrattner1> !gaim2
[09:05] <ubotu> Packages for Gaim 2 beta 3 can be found via https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-April/072721.html
[09:06] <fyrestrtr> !msgthebot
[09:06] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots
[09:06] <Cntryboy> fyrestrtr: kubuntu room is silent and boring
[09:06] <fyrestrtr> Cntryboy: well, first thing you do is sudo apt-get update
[09:06] <Cntryboy> fyrestrtr: why would I have to do that if I saved all the current deb packages?
[09:07] <Cntryboy> sorry bro im new to this and just trying to understand it
[09:07] <fyrestrtr> Cntryboy: don't know, but just try it.
[09:07] <aunes> what's the command line tool to check disk usage?
[09:07] <Cntryboy> only had kubuntu for hour now and its confusing enough, especially using gnome for the first week/half
[09:07] <Duff> If I download it. And burn it, does it still come with that thing where I can test it.
[09:07] <fyrestrtr> aunes: du
[09:07] <aunes> fyrestrtr: thx
[09:07] <Duff> And not actually have it on my hard drive.
[09:07] <Madpilot> Duff, the LiveCD? Yes
[09:07] <Duff> But if I make my own?
[09:08] <Duff> Download the .iso and burn it, I mean.
[09:08] <Cntryboy> fyrestrtr:
[09:08] <Cntryboy> cd@cd-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[09:08] <Cntryboy> Reading package lists... Done
[09:08] <Deadly_Aim>  does anyone who knows exactly how to install wine on breezy wanna help me in private chat?
[09:08] <Madpilot> Duff, go to the download page, get the "desktop" ISO file, burn it, that'll get you the LiveCD w/ install option
[09:08] <Duff> Alright.
[09:08] <Duff> Thanks.
[09:08] <Duff> Again.
[09:08] <Madpilot> Duff, the ISOs you download are completely identical to the pressed CDs from ShipIt
[09:08] <Cntryboy> fyrestrtr: took a sec, meaning it was prob up to date right?
[09:09] <tonyyarusso> Can the Desktop CD be used as an apt source?
[09:09] <aunes> fyrestrtr: du is just listing the size of every file on the HDD. Is there something that will just show the totals based on /dev/hda /dev/hdc etc.
[09:09] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, don't think so
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Dang.  Although, when I stuck it in it suggested maybe I could, but everything I've heard says otherwise...
[09:10] <soop> tonyyarusso: yup
[09:10] <soop> you'll notice that in the /etc/apt/sources.list the first line refernces the cd
[09:11] <fyrestrtr> aunes: df :)
[09:11] <soop> but most people comment it out
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> soop: Well, my line references the Alternate.
[09:11] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, I haven't tried it myself, TBH. But I know you're stuck w/ dialup, which must make some of the big updates... interesting...
[09:11] <Cntryboy> fyrestrtr: well does it?
[09:11] <fyrestrtr> just a sec
[09:11] <fyrestrtr> on phone
[09:11] <Cntryboy> zzz
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Most notably, if I want KDE and Gnome, kubuntu-desktop would be special.
[09:12] <Madpilot> Al2O3, reading the RestrictedFormats page, are you? :)
[09:12] <soop> oooh getting kde is like 75 meg download, that'd be painful to grab via dialup
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> soop: Try 160 MB.
[09:13] <Al2O3> Madpilot, and some.
[09:13] <Al2O3> I also understand this problem will pose a serious limitation for mainstream to come and use Ubuntu as a result, and that saddens me.
[09:14] <Al2O3> This distro is by far IMHO the best I have seen linux desktop, and this one issue will not go away, thus making the media hungry masses stop and wonder why their .avi's won't play here when they will in OSX and Windblows out of box.
[09:14] <Al2O3> there is no way around it, and that saddens me to see.
[09:15] <konfuzed> ok i wanna know where I can find the desktopbackground image so I can email it to somebody
[09:15] <konfuzed> the desktop properties wont eveal the path
[09:15] <Healot> RMS is the coolest geek ever
[09:15] <Al2O3> Healot, that is a matter of opinion of course, but I respect yours as much as the next groupie :)
[09:15] <Duff> Alright, I downloaded the .iso
[09:16] <Duff> It has 8 files and 11 folders, right?
[09:16] <Duff> I need to know how to run the little trial thing so I can test it out.
[09:16] <Cntryboy> when writing a file to a dir with same file name what is the command to over right the other file when u cp a file
[09:17] <Cntryboy> *write
[09:17] <Madpilot> konfuzed, /usr/share/ something - let me check
[09:17] <konfuzed> thanks mucho
[09:17] <Madpilot> konfuzed, /usr/share/backgrounds
[09:17] <eXCeSS> guyz i wana lurn linicks bekuz i red sumwere that onley smart ppl uze it
[09:18] <eXCeSS> ^_^
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> konfuzed: It's probably in gconf - looking.
[09:18] <Cntryboy> glad someone is getting help, ive been here 30 min now or longer and haven't gotten any where
[09:18] <epinephrine> eXCeSS: for your own sake, I hope you're joking.
[09:18] <eXCeSS> epinephrine: lol yes i am
[09:18] <eXCeSS> Cntryboy: dont be so bitter
[09:19] <Knome> Cntryboy: cp /dir/file1 /dir/file2
[09:19] <Duff> How do I run the trial thing?
[09:19] <Tmob> Cntryboy, you should rather try google
[09:19] <Cntryboy> and that over writes it? I thought I had to have a - (letter) to over write
[09:19] <Tmob> Cntryboy, -f
[09:19] <Cntryboy> tmob: if you had 2.1KB dialup google takes 15 min to load
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> ...why is the Dapper background called warty-final?
[09:19] <Cntryboy> would use wanna wait when ur dead tired
[09:20] <eXCeSS> Cntryboy: i wouldnt be touching anything i didnt konw if i was 'dead tired'
[09:20] <eXCeSS> Cntryboy: the internet is a bunch of tubes
[09:20] <konfuzed> cause edubuntu-girl is not available in dapper-edubuntu
[09:20] <Cntryboy> excess: im the type that sits at it until its done :(
[09:20] <[Nige] > hi all
[09:20] <cyphase> what's the ~/.wapi folder for?
[09:20] <eXCeSS> Cntryboy: not a truck
[09:20] <Duff> I need to know how to install ubuntu.
[09:20] <cyphase> something to do with mono?
[09:20] <eXCeSS> Duff: click th einstall icon
[09:20] <[Nige] > i deleted a folder is there anyway I can get it back?
[09:20] <Duff> Umm...
[09:21] <cyphase> [Nige] : maybe it's in the trash?
[09:21] <Duff> There is no install icon.
[09:21] <Tmob> Cntryboy, trust me.. i have been in your situation.. google saves a lot of time.. its just worth giving a shot.. many times i just get it in the first link itself..
[09:21] <[Nige] > cyphase,  no
[09:21] <[Nige] > its not
[09:21] <cyphase> hmm
[09:21] <cyphase> i don't know then
[09:21] <eXCeSS> [Nige] : you're screwed
[09:21] <[Nige] > i havent written anything to the drive since then
[09:21] <cyphase> i'm sure it's possible though
[09:21] <[Nige] > eXCeSS, really....
[09:21] <konfuzed> my daughter was a little bumbed at the green earth map on green background look
[09:21] <Madpilot> Duff, there should be an "Install Ubuntu" link on your desktop, if you're running the LiveCD
[09:21] <[Nige] > i thought you could do it.............
[09:21] <Cntryboy> tmob: I ususally do, but I can't phrase my questions tonigth lol.
[09:21] <eXCeSS> [Nige] : i have no idea lol you prolly can
[09:21] <Cntryboy> brb
[09:21] <Duff> How do I run the liveCD?
[09:21] <Duff> That's my question.
[09:22] <eXCeSS> ROFL
[09:22] <Duff> I've only downloaded the .iso
[09:22] <eXCeSS> Duff: burn it
[09:22] <eXCeSS> Duff: to a cd
[09:22] <eXCeSS> Duff: then put it in and restart
[09:22] <Duff> Alright.
[09:22] <eXCeSS> Duff: and then your computer is like OH NO A LINUX CD SELF DESTRUCTIING
[09:22] <Duff> And this is going to do what? Run ubuntu?
[09:22] <eXCeSS> Duff: do you have nero
[09:22] <Duff> No, I don't have nero.
[09:22] <eXCeSS> Duff: what cd thing do you use
[09:23] <Duff> Recordnow!
[09:23] <Madpilot> Duff, have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[09:23] <Madpilot> there's a link to a freeware ISO burner for WinXP there
[09:23] <Duff> Alright.
[09:23] <cyphase> found it: http://www.mono-project.com/Mod_mono
[09:24] <Duff> Sorry for me being a complete idiot at this.
[09:24] <Duff> I'm young and learning.
[09:24] <eXCeSS> good
[09:24] <eXCeSS> keep an open mind and youll go far
[09:24] <eXCeSS> dont give up either stick with it
[09:24] <soop> Duff: you've got the iso right?
[09:24] <soop> did you burn it?
[09:24] <Madpilot> Duff, no problem - only suggestion I've got is to ease off on the Enter key a bit - one line per thought is good :)
[09:24] <eXCeSS> and you can be the 3j33t h4x0r on your clock
[09:24] <Gorlist> Hi - quick question, does a Logitech Momo Forcefeedback steering wheel work in Buntu??
[09:24] <nbjayme> HELP!!! we're having problem with networking on Ubuntu AMD64 : Ethernet Controller:Realtek Semiconductor Co.,Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+(rev10) ....
[09:24] <soop> nbjayme: whats the issue?
[09:25] <eXCeSS> block
[09:25] <eXCeSS> *
[09:25] <Duff> I have the .iso, I'm going to go and get a blank CD to burn it right now.
[09:25] <soop> there you go
[09:25] <nbjayme> can't connect to network.....
[09:25] <soop> nbjayme: www.pastebin.ca and post /etc/network/interfaces from your machine
[09:26] <mouse> Just finished adjusting my xorg.conf, wanted to see if it was working better
[09:26] <mouse> Earlier it took a second for the irc page to scroll, but now it seems to be functioning much more efficiently
[09:27] <g-nome> i can't upodate libcairo2 :-(, it says: Depends on libfreetype6 (>=2.2.1), but 2.1.10-1ubuntu2.1 is installed. ???
[09:27] <soop> then post the pastebin link here
[09:27] <soop> do the same with the results from the command "ifconfig"
[09:27] <mouse> Test
[09:27] <eXCeSS> mouse: no
[09:27] <mouse> Running beautifully
[09:27] <Duff> Also, when it says "Burn the ISO", it means all the files and folders individually, right? Or do I put them all in one folder and burn that?
[09:27] <snoops> how do I go about binding mouse buttons to other mouse buttons?
[09:28] <Rede> I've installed apache2 via apt, but it doesnt start automatically. i think it might be related to the way the "sudo/etc/init.d/apache2 start" command doesn't seem to start the server (there isn't even any output, error or otherwise) but "sudo apache2" does work. "sudo /etc/init.d apache2 stop" does start the server when i've started it via "sudo apache2". does anyone know how i might resolve this?
[09:28] <eXCeSS> you dont extract the iso, you hit burn image or something like that
[09:28] <eXCeSS> its a disc-image
[09:28] <Al2O3> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-74857744ddf74499c6447a19c7e94a2fcb382e0c  is that my saviour?
[09:28] <KenSentMe> Duff: you should burn it like an iso image. That's an option in you burning program.
[09:28] <Duff> Alright.
[09:28] <eXCeSS> so you dont put it on the cd, and you dont extract it
[09:28] <KenSentMe> !burniso > Duff
[09:28] <KenSentMe> !burniso
[09:28] <ubotu> burniso is To burn an ISO CD in windows, mac, or linux, read the howto at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[09:28] <KenSentMe> Duff: check the page ubotu sent you
[09:28] <Al2O3> do I have to basically apt-get install all that stuff :)
[09:29] <fyrestrtr> Rede: first you are not starting the server when you do sudo apache2
[09:29] <mouse> Apparently while this stupid neomagic supports 24bit color, it runs so badly as to make it unbearable.
[09:29] <Madpilot> Al2O3, more or less, yes
[09:29] <Gorlist> does Linux have something like Daemon Tools to mount virtual CDs?
[09:29] <Duff> Ubuntu sent me a page?
[09:29] <KenSentMe> Al2O3: yes
[09:29] <fyrestrtr> Rede: secondly, check the apache log files ( /var/log/apache2/error.log ) for any clues.
[09:29] <nbjayme> soop, my mate is going to countercheck anything we missed.... gonna post the status on this problem.... :)
[09:29] <fyrestrtr> Gorlist: yeah, mount :)
[09:29] <Madpilot> Duff, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto - i think I gave you this URL already, though?
[09:29] <Gorlist> oh,
[09:29] <KenSentMe> Duff: you got a message from ubotu, but it's here in this channel too, after i typed !burniso
[09:29] <dli> Gorlist, to mount .iso images? mount -oloop foo.iso /mnt/blah
[09:30] <Duff> Oh OK. THAT page.
[09:30] <Rede> ok. to be more accurate: when i run that command the server responds to me typing my ip into my browser
[09:30] <Gorlist>  :) right, can it be done from a menu as well?? :)
[09:31] <Mouse> :)
[09:31] <fyrestrtr> Rede: seems its working then.
[09:31] <fyrestrtr> Gorlist: don't know, but its easy to create a shortcut for it.
[09:31] <Gorlist> right will try now thanks
[09:31] <Al2O3> gstreamer0.10-pitfdll seems to be missing at the standard apt-get repository locations.  Any clue where it can be found now?
[09:32] <Madpilot> !info gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[09:32] <ubotu> gstreamer0.10-pitfdll: GStreamer plugin for using MS Windows binary codecs. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+cvs20060312-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 79 kB, installed size 260 kB
[09:32] <Madpilot> Al2O3, it's in Multiverse
[09:32] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell Al2O3 about multiverse
[09:32] <Rede> yeah but it doesn't start when i boot, and it doesn't respond to "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" as it should
[09:32] <fyrestrtr> Rede: how do you know it hasn't started when you boot?
[09:32] <Rede> the server functions properly once started, im having problems with starting it
[09:33] <Gorlist> can it mount B5T images?
[09:33] <compengi> where can i find driver for canon i350 printer and if it's connected to another pc on a network and it's shared do i need a driver?
[09:33] <Gorlist> B5I
[09:33] <fyrestrtr> Rede: what output do you expect?
[09:33] <Rede> i type my ip into the browser and there is the "problem loading page" error mozilla returns when the connection is refused. once i type "sudo apache2" it displays the web page
[09:34] <Duff> Alright, I have CDBurnerXP Pro 3 open, and it's giving me these options "Juliet" "ISO Level 1" and "ISO Level 2" Which do I pick?
[09:34] <Rede> something indicating that the server has been started or even a response from the server before i have to type "sudo apache2"
[09:34] <fyrestrtr> Rede: do this 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop' then 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start' -- then type http://localhost/ in your browser.
[09:34] <Gorlist> ok right what does /mnt/blah mean :)
[09:34] <Gorlist> is that the path to the image
[09:35] <fyrestrtr> Gorlist: that's the path where you want it mounted to.
[09:35] <Rede> result is: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at localhost.
[09:35] <snoops> fyrestrtr his problem is apache2 does not start on boot, he has to manually start it
[09:35] <Gorlist> i don't know where I want it mount?
[09:35] <KenSentMe> compengi: When you check this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters that most Canon printers run when you install the driver for a printer that resembles your model. If you get your printer working, maybe you can add a line on that wiki page on how you've got it to run and how it works.
[09:35] <Gorlist> just want it mounted like a cd?
[09:36] <Rede> then i type "sudo apache2" and refresh and am shown the directory listing i expect to see
[09:36] <garryF> JUliate iso level onw was my hcoice.
[09:36] <Duff> Alright, I have CDBurnerXP Pro 3 open, and it's giving me these options "Juliet" "ISO Level 1" and "ISO Level 2" Which do I pick?
[09:36] <fyrestrtr> Gorlist: mkdir ~/image-mount-point && sudo mount -o loop somefile.iso /home/yourusername/image-mount-point
[09:36] <Duff> Alright.
[09:36] <Duff> Thanks.
[09:36] <Duff> Wait.
[09:36] <Duff> Which one?
[09:36] <garryF> level 1
[09:36] <Duff> Juliet or ISO Level 1?
[09:36] <Gorlist> right i understand, thanks!
[09:36] <Madpilot> !enter
[09:36] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[09:36] <Duff> Alright, let me try it. Also, there are a whole bunch of files and folders. Do I just add them all to the CD?
[09:37] <Rede> the "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop" does work. it also displays [OK]  upon working
[09:37] <garryF> oh I'm not so sure now.
[09:37] <garryF> I belive its Joliet
[09:37] <Flannel> Rede: you can also do both at the same time (stop, start) by sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[09:37] <Rede> yeah, but that stops the server and doesn't restart it
[09:38] <garryF> If you are burning an iso you should not have folders to add to the cd
[09:38] <KenSentMe> Duff: Then you've got the wrong option i think. Did you do as said in the wiki.  Where is that?
[09:39] <KenSentMe> Duff: does it anywhere say image or something?
[09:39] <Rede> actually i take that back, it either properly restarts the server or it has no effect at all. there is no output
[09:39] <Duff> In this burning program, I chose the option to where I can burn ISO images.
[09:40] <KenSentMe> Duff: ok, that should be good
[09:40] <Gog123> grrrr
[09:40] <Duff> I downloaded the .iso from ubuntu and when I opened it, it had all of these folders.
[09:40] <Gog123> microsoft = evil
[09:40] <Gog123> they updated the msi.dll which broke google browser sync
[09:40] <Gog123> intentionally too
[09:40] <Duff> Do I just stick all of those folders on the disc?
[09:40] <KenSentMe> Duff: in the program you should now be able to select the downloaded iso file
[09:40] <KenSentMe> Duff: don't open the file in Windows
[09:40] <Flannel> Rede: do: ps aux | grep apache2  is anything there? (except your grep)
[09:40] <Duff> Fuck. I already opened it.
[09:40] <Duff> Do I have to re-download it?
[09:40] <Gog123> i need some help in modifying ubuntu
[09:40] <Lynoure> Gog123: hmm, if you have some evidence of the intentionality, Slashdor or some other site might be interested (if it is not already there)
[09:41] <Gog123> i used easyubuntu but some codecs dont work
[09:41] <Gog123> lynoure:  Its ok, microsoft was sued
[09:41] <Gog123> im going to contact the attorneys
[09:41] <garryF> Oh you've mounted the iso, Those folders are what is in the iso already. Don't worry that you opened, or mounted it, just choose burn iso to cd.
[09:41] <Rede> no only my grep
[09:41] <KenSentMe> Duff: no, it's saved somewhere on your harddisk, go to that location with your burning program and select the iso file
[09:41] <Gog123> lynoure:  Its part of the windows update that someone sued over
[09:41] <Gog123> lynoure:  Works fine with linux :)
[09:41] <Duff> I have no idea where it is saved though.
[09:41] <Luke> how can I clean out unused deps?
[09:42] <Lynoure> Gog123: I know it works fine with linux.
[09:42] <Flannel> Rede: try the start one then.  sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start then do the grep again
[09:42] <Gog123> lynoure:  I would use linux all the time but there are some glitches still
[09:42] <garryF> Yeah, I usually just double click on the iso. Do a windows search for *.iso
[09:42] <KenSentMe> Duff: maybe in your 'My Documents' folder
[09:42] <Rede> just did, only the grep listed.
[09:42] <Gog123> mostly gtk bugs which im sure will be corrected in edgy eft
[09:42] <Remy> hi guys, anyone know how to setup an email with multiple users in ubuntu ?
[09:42] <Lynoure> Gog123: Also in MS Windows. Is there some software type that you miss from MS Win?
[09:43] <Duff> Alright, I'll try the search. @KEN: I download it with firefox and just chose the "Open with:" option.
[09:43] <Remy> whether evolution mail can do it, or other prog is required...
[09:43] <mada> well i realized i didn't have shit to do tonight, so i thought i would drop in
[09:43] <Gog123> lynoure not really......... i was upset that google earth didnt work
[09:43] <Gog123> but they came out with a linux version :)
[09:43] <Rede> if i type "sudo apache2" it does show the running process
[09:43] <Gog123> lynoure:  The bugs ive experienced are mostly gtk related and evolution related
[09:44] <Gog123> the gtk bugs are known, should be fixed by edgy eft
[09:44] <Gog123> evolution should be fixed by then too in the next update
[09:44] <Flannel> Rede: no idea, only thing I can think of is that youve got some bad configuration somewhere.  Might try asking in #apache they should be able to help you more
[09:44] <Gog123> lynoure:  the thing is some windows media files wont work
[09:44] <Healot> I am still using Windows, MacOSX.. Linux is currently running on another machine too
[09:44] <Gog123> even after installing easyubuntu
[09:45] <Rede> ahhh ok i thought here would be the place to try since i got it from the ubuntu apt repos
[09:45] <compengi> do i need a driver for a printer located on a network throught a pc running on windows?
[09:45] <Gog123> looks like linux will be the new standard for os tho
[09:45] <nashy> Any hints on first boot of Ubuntu, I'm installing it now :-)
[09:45] <KenSentMe> Does anyone know a nice gui password generator?
[09:45] <Paladine> compengi, samba
[09:45] <Lynoure> Gog123: That'll prolly be a neveranding race. When they get supported, MS will probably sprout a new format.
[09:45] <Gog123> windows employees are all moving to google at a fast clip
[09:45] <garryF> Pray
[09:45] <compengi> Paladine, what?
[09:45] <Gog123> another 2 more employees just this week :)
[09:45] <snoops> KenSentMe passwords are supposed to be things you can remember :)
[09:46] <Paladine> samba is for file and print sharing
[09:46] <Healot> nashy: after successful installation, you can just enter the desktop :)
[09:46] <Paladine> between linux and windows
[09:46] <Rede> nashy: if you don't know about it already, use automatix once you're done installing.
[09:46] <Gog123> lynoure:  Is easyubuntu the only program to install the codecs?
[09:46] <Flannel> nashy, don't use automatix.
[09:46] <Gog123> cause it doesnt work for all files
[09:46] <Rede> haha
[09:46] <nashy> I know nothing about Linux OS' this is the first one I want to use and hopefully convert from Windows
[09:46] <KenSentMe> snoops: yeah, but they're not supposed to be obvious like my birthdate
[09:46] <compengi> Paladine, where should i install it?
[09:47] <Gorlist> when I try to mount, comes up with ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[09:47] <Gorlist> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[09:47] <Healot> nashy: learn slowly, but be eager at the same time
[09:47] <Paladine> you install samba on linux
[09:47] <garryF> Automatix is the alternative to easyubuntu, which seems to be screwed up at now. I got lucky and used it when easyubuntu was worth the bits it was written on.
[09:47] <Paladine> and you make sure File and Print Sharing is installed in windows (it normally is by default)
[09:47] <Lynoure> Gog123: not only. But not that bad. I think automatix also does but I have heard mixed things about it
[09:47] <Gog123> automatix changes the source list
[09:47] <Gog123> i was told not to use automatix
[09:47] <punkmexic> does anyone knows if amsn or gaim support audio conversations for msn?
[09:47] <Gog123> cause  it modifies stuff
[09:47] <garryF> Wow!
[09:47] <Lynoure> Gog123: indeed.
[09:47] <snoops> KenSentMe yep.. think of some word, add a few numbers and a few extra characters and there you go
[09:47] <Gog123> lynoure correct?
[09:48] <garryF> !win32codecs
[09:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about win32codecs
[09:48] <garryF> !restrictedformats
[09:48] <Gog123> lynoure:  Turns out easyubuntu has been revised a little
[09:48] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:48] <Paladine> !samba
[09:48] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[09:48] <punkmexic> does anyone knows if amsn or gaim support audio conversations for msn?
[09:48] <Lynoure> Gog123: Never tried it. Never needed to. And too tired to look it up.
[09:48] <Paladine> there you go compengi
[09:48] <jenda-lappy> I need a bit of help with OpenOffice. My dad uses .doc exclusively and whenever he saves a document in OO.org, the next time he opens it, all "" are replaced with a japanese character of some sort. When done again, all of these are converted to question marks. Any ideas?
[09:48] <garryF> !info samba
[09:48] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In repository main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 2778 kB, installed size 7080 kB
[09:49] <jenda-lappy> Gog123, yes, easyubuntu is safe to use.
[09:49] <Paladine> jenda, save as is your friend
[09:49] <Paladine> OOo can save as ms office filetypes
[09:49] <Gog123> will the google summer of code ubuntu updates make it to edgy eft?
[09:49] <Gog123> or will that be in the next release
[09:49] <Madpilot> Gog123, maybe - it's hard to say
[09:49] <jenda-lappy> Paladine, that's not the problem.  The .iso is supposed to be 600mb right?
[09:50] <jenda-lappy> Paladine, perhaps because you don't use non ASCII characters...
[09:50] <Madpilot> Al2O3, yet another private project that overlaps the existing documentation @ help.ubuntu.com - gah....
[09:50] <Paladine> consty, OOo database supports SQL, Access supports SQL, so yes they are both compatable with each other
[09:51] <Madpilot> Duff, 697Mb, it looks like
[09:51] <Al2O3> Madpilot, I would agree, and a little more streamlined and simple for my mind's eye.
[09:51] <Al2O3> but yes, agreed.  Duplicate.
[09:51] <Duff> Fuck. The .iso I have is only 94mb.
[09:51] <Consty> Paladine: uhhhh. I'm referring to stand alone database file types.  Yes they both support SQL.. but from a design point of view and creating a dbase they dont
[09:51] <jenda-lappy> Duff, language...
[09:51] <garryF> I'm going to try this saving and see what happens.
[09:51] <Lynoure> Paladine: different versions of SQL are often quite incompatible, unfortunately. But nice if at least those too play along.
[09:51] <Madpilot> Duff, language, thanks - and it looks like you got a bad download..
[09:51] <Polkadotshorts> Ubuntu people, I have a question. what is the purpose of the About Me. (System -> Preferences -> About Me)
[09:51] <Gog123> madpilot:  theres now an opensolaris version based on ubuntu....... but is opensolaris activly developed now?
[09:51] <Duff> D:
[09:51] <Madpilot> Gog123, no idea
[09:52] <Gog123> its the same code packages but with a opensolaris kernel
[09:52] <garryF> Hmmm, Duff, Iso's are meant to burn to a CD then you boot the cd to install or run linux as a live cd.
[09:52] <Polkadotshorts> Ubuntu people, I have a question. what is the purpose of the About Me. (System -> Preferences -> About Me)
[09:52] <Gog123> solaris was commercially developed
[09:52] <Consty> Paladine: I can't take a database created with ooo database and open it in access, or vice-versa.
[09:53] <jenda-lappy> Polkadotshorts, some apps can draw that info to include in your documents or fill in web forms for you.
[09:53] <Duff> I know, Garry. I was just wondering why My .iso was only 94 MBs.
[09:53] <Paladine> I would be suprised if OOoBase doesn't support ODBC
[09:53] <Madpilot> Duff, your download must have been stopped somehow
[09:54] <compengi> Paladine, can't i access the windows network without all these skripting!
[09:54] <Paladine> I think you can basically use Base as a front nd for any engine if my understanding is correct
[09:54] <Healot> and opensolaris is community based... I think canonical is developing nexenta based on opensolaris and GNU tools atm
[09:54] <compengi> Paladine, can't i access the windows network without all these scripting!
[09:54] <Gog123> healot cannocal is involved with nexenta?
[09:54] <Duff> Alright, I'm just going to order a CD. Screw it. How long do CDs take? Like...Shipping time?
[09:54] <Paladine> compengi, sure, use a windows netowrk.  but if you wanna share files and printers between linux and windows you need to use samba
[09:54] <garryF> I save a file with a Y in it in word 97 win xp, win 2000 format and have not that issue with y being changed.
[09:55] <KenSentMe> Duff: a few weeks. Where are you from, if i may ask?
[09:55] <Gog123> healot:  Yep its community based, but how is opensolaris vs linux
[09:55] <Lynoure> Duff: Have you ignored all the comments to you about language or are you just pushing the limits for fun?
[09:55] <Madpilot> Duff, takes 6-8 weeks, maybe a bit less if you're lucky
[09:55] <dxdemetriou> I have the samba with the smbpasswd, and I saw that works different with the samba of gnome. What is better to use?
[09:55] <garryF> Bad hair night likely.
[09:55] <Healot> Gog123: both are good, it's really depends on your choice...
[09:56] <Gog123> healot which is better for what?
[09:56] <DarkMageZ> Duff, it took 3 weeks to get mine
[09:56] <Healot> to me, I can go with either...
[09:56] <Duff> 6-8 Weeks? D: Language? All I said was "Screw it."
[09:56] <Healot> atm Linux is more stable and supported commercially
[09:56] <Paladine> Consty, OOo Base supports ODBC so just export to ODBC
[09:56] <Polkadotshorts> Can I ask a question? I sometimes see screen shots of people's Linux desktop, and then I see these widget type things. Can someone please shed some light (so far, my 3 questions I have posted here have been ignored, but try and answer this one).
[09:56] <garryF> Duff, are you on dialup?
[09:56] <blaster999> hi all
[09:56] <Paladine> which access also supports
[09:56] <Lynoure> Duff: And I bet you meant little metal bits with that, sure.
[09:56] <blaster999> is there a way to install Lilo instead of grub on ubuntu?
[09:56] <Duff> No, I'm connected wirelessly to a cable connection.
[09:56] <Madpilot> Polkadotshorts, look up "gdesklets", that seems to be the most common desktop widget set
[09:56] <Consty> Paladine: ODBC is a protocol for communicating with the database.. I'de have to program queries for everything.
[09:57] <Consty> Paladine: Totally unrealistic.
[09:57] <Paladine> still doable though
[09:57] <nashy> 97% Installation - Fingers Crossed everyone
[09:57] <Paladine> you never said you wanted an easy solution
[09:57] <Polkadotshorts> Madpilot: Thanks!
[09:57] <blaster999> because Grub doesn't seem to work on my lappy
[09:57] <Consty> Paladine: If you create something in java.. but you can't do it in OOO itself.
[09:57] <Duff> And can I really not say "Screw it." in here? That's not even bad.
[09:57] <garryF> Wel, you should download the iso to your computer and burn it or are you saying when you only had 67 mb that you don't have room for the iso on your hard drive?
[09:57] <Healot> blaster999: with alternatCD, expert install mode
[09:58] <blaster999> Healot: thanks!
[09:58] <compengi> Paladine, i don't want to share my linux files, i just want to access my windows network and to use the printer on the windows network
[09:58] <Paladine> why do you have to support access anyway? it is pretty much deprecated
[09:58] <meander> ok. heres the thing
[09:58] <Healot> in the boot loader install, choose either lilo or grub
[09:58] <Duff> No, I have room for the full 600mb, I just don't know why it stopped at 94mb.
[09:58] <Paladine> compengi, like I said, you need to use samba
[09:58] <Madpilot> Duff, try downloading it again - the Ubuntu servers are fairly fast
[09:58] <meander> me and some others have been trying to get amarok working on my ubuntu 6.06 system
[09:58] <garryF> Oh, you probably just had some internet issues. It is pretty fast to retry.
[09:59] <meander> folowed probably every guide there is, and nothing came out of it
[09:59] <Duff> It was only downloading at like 26kb/s. Anyone know how to increase my download speeds in FF?
[09:59] <blaster999> meander: worksforme (TM)
[09:59] <yvette> please help, one of my pc can only dislpay 640x480 resolution
[09:59] <compengi> Paladine, it's so complex here in linux in windows it's much simpler, and btw if i used samba do i still need a driver for that printer?
[09:59] <Lynoure> hmm
[09:59] <Lynoure> !language
[09:59] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:59] <joyrom> hello people
[09:59] <Healot> yvette: what's your graphics card?
[10:00] <yvette> its an onboard video
[10:00] <Paladine> compengi, well the other solution would be to get a USB switch and have theprinter plugged into the windows network and the linux machine, then just switch between the two
[10:00] <nashy> Joyrom - Hey
[10:00] <joyrom> hey nashy
[10:00] <garryF> Duff:  Is that slow speed what you got now or way back when you first tried.
[10:00] <Healot> brand perhaps? yvette. if you used windows previously, you can check that out first
[10:00] <Paladine> I got a USB "KVM" device for 17GBP
[10:00] <joyrom> I installed the xubuntu version
[10:01] <joyrom> there is another chan for this?
[10:01] <Duff> Garry, that's what I got when I first tried.
[10:01] <yvette> i have another unit with the same specs but those unit is capable of using 800x600
[10:01] <revilot> anyone have a clue as to how I could get a turtle beach santacruz soundcard to work in dapper?
[10:01] <KenSentMe> In order to be able to help people like Duff burning iso's i've downloaded and installed cdburnerxp with wine. Does anyone know how i could fake or make that program recognize a cd bruner, otherwise i can't use the burn options.
[10:01] <Madpilot> joyrom, there's #xubuntu, but it's often very quiet
[10:01] <garryF> I bet it could be a harbinger of internet issues you had back then. try it now, see if it's faster.
[10:01] <nashy> Help!  I'm at the login screen, but I wasn't asked to provide username details
[10:01] <KenSentMe> !resolution > yvette
[10:01] <Healot> it just start the desktop nashy?
[10:02] <KenSentMe> yvette: check what ubotu tells you
[10:02] <nashy> Nope, booted straight to login screen
[10:02] <goubuntu> !offtopic
[10:02] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:02] <Madpilot> nashy, new install or LiveCD?
[10:02] <joyrom> ok Madpilot can I reamin here?
[10:02] <nashy> madpilt - New install
[10:02] <Madpilot> joyrom, sure, and if you can't get an answer in #xubuntu, ask here
[10:02] <yvette> got it thanks
[10:02] <joyrom> ok
[10:03] <garryF> There is a wine channel, I've heard they are pretty helpful there. Ibet you could get a faster answer there on wine and that cd burner issue.
[10:03] <nashy> So how do I login?
[10:03] <joyrom> anyone can tell me if the difference is only the X system?
[10:03] <Madpilot> nashy, at some point during the install, you should have been asked for username, password & computer name
[10:03] <jleibold> tvtime is extremly slow - xawtv runs without problems - any idea?
[10:04] <Flannel> joyrom: xubuntu has xfce insead of gnome.  A few program differences as well.
[10:04] <nashy> it asked for a password and computer name
[10:04] <nashy> no username though
[10:04] <Healot> eh? X chooser login?
[10:04] <blaster999> Healot: How exactly does one enter an expert mode using 6.06 alternate?
[10:04] <Madpilot> nashy, you sure?
[10:04] <garryF> joyrom: Well, I think kde in Kbuntu uses a different package manager.
[10:04] <nashy> very, I went through that stage twice as my first attempt at install didn't work
[10:04] <Healot> blaster999: follow the screen instruction, choose text mode
[10:04] <garryF> I got both kde and gnome on this system
[10:05] <Madpilot> nashy, odd - using the LiveCD's installer?
[10:05] <Healot> next type expert and press Enter
[10:05] <nashy> umm.. I downloaded the alternate cd
[10:05] <joyrom> can I install anyway another X system
[10:05] <garryF> That's the best choise to get nashy
[10:05] <joyrom> in every distro
[10:05] <revilot> anyone have a clue as to how I could get a turtle beach santacruz soundcard to work in dapper?
[10:05] <Madpilot> joyrom, sure
[10:05] <blaster999> Healot: thanks!
[10:05] <Madpilot> nashy, ah - I'm not sure how the Alternate CD's installer works, haven't used Dapper'
[10:06] <nashy> if it did ask me for a username I would have used nashy for sure.  Is there anyway to login as root to add a user?
[10:06] <Healot> garryF: yup you can manually isntall XFree or other X server...
[10:06] <Madpilot> s - but the Breezy install certainly asked for a pw
[10:06] <Madpilot> nashy, you can use the recovery console, which has root access
[10:06] <Healot> a bit hard i think. but possible, garryF
[10:06] <joyrom> ok I have to learn about Linux too
[10:06] <Duff> The download started at like 600kb/s and steadily went down to 208kb/s. I'm just going to have to install it in the morning.
[10:06] <garryF> revilot: I remembr that card. Tried all kinds of things tryign to get the card from santa cruz to work.
[10:06] <Subhuman> Madpilot, the alternative installer CD is just the text based installer like breezy had
[10:06] <Madpilot> Subhuman, yeah, thought so
[10:07] <Duff> Also, once I stick the CD with the .iso on it, and boot it up, is it going to auto partition it or what?
[10:07] <garryF> Wasn't my card. Someone here had it.
[10:07] <garryF> It can auto partition
[10:07] <revilot> garryF: thats not good news
[10:07] <joyrom> thank you at all
[10:07] <joyrom> bye
[10:07] <nashy> Duff - It will give you partition options
[10:07] <Madpilot> Duff, there are options for partitioning during the install, but the LiveCD won't touch your harddrives at first
[10:07] <KenSentMe> Duff: you have several options, but you need a spare partition to put ubuntu on
[10:07] <twager> Any help with s/b live ens1370 ??
[10:07] <garryF> revilot Yeah. I wish I knw what his fix was. It was several weeks ago.
[10:07] <Duff> Alright, I'm just asking. Also, Do I choose "Boot from CD" or do I just open the CD in windows?
[10:08] <revilot> garryF: did he get it working
[10:08] <KenSentMe> Duff: boot from the cd
[10:08] <Madpilot> Duff, start your machine w/ the CD in your drive
[10:08] <jleibold> can no one help me with tvtime?
[10:08] <Duff> My machine isn't set to boot from it's drives though.
[10:08] <nashy> Ok - I'm in recovery console, what do I do from here, I have no idea :-s
[10:08] <garryF> revilot Seems he did. I can't recall what he did.
[10:08] <Duff> At least I don't think it isn't.
[10:08] <revilot> ok thanks m8
[10:09] <KenSentMe> jleibold: what you could try is to run tvtime from the terminal and see if it's produces any errors
[10:09] <twager> Any help with s/b live ens1370 ??
[10:09] <garryF> Duff: Ye need to set it to boot from the cd rom if there is one in drve.
[10:09] <Madpilot> Duff, you'll need to tweak your BIOS to allow booting from CDROM before HDD
[10:10] <garryF> !sound
[10:10] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:10] <Duff> Umm...So when I start my computer I press...Which one of the F_ Buttons?
[10:10] <Paladine> F8
[10:10] <nashy> F8 usually
[10:10] <nashy> or DEL
[10:10] <Paladine> DEL to enter the BIOS
[10:10] <KenSentMe> or F2
[10:10] <garryF> Mine was f2
[10:10] <Paladine> F8 for boot options
[10:10] <Paladine> weird
[10:10] <dxdemetriou> What must I have to works the samba of gnome, and what I must delete for the smbpasswd I worked before?
[10:10] <Duff> xD I'll just press F8 and hope everything works.
[10:11] <jleibold> KenSentMe: no errors when running from terminal - tvtime runs but only get one frame every ten seconds
[10:11] <nashy> how do I add a user via recovery console?
[10:11] <Subhuman> mine was f8 or f12 on my laptop
[10:11] <Paladine> I have seen F8 and occassionaly F5, never seen F2
[10:11] <twager> ubotu:This I have done...Sound was perfect in ubunto and mepis before I tried out Suse then sound stopped working
[10:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about ubotu:This I have done...Sound was perfect in ubunto and mepis before I tried out Suse then sound stopped working
[10:11] <garryF> It should tell you which to press to get into cmos
[10:11] <twager> in both ubuntu and mepis
[10:11] <KenSentMe> jleibold: i don't know the program that good, so i can't help you. Running in terminal mostly tells you when there are problems
[10:11] <garryF> I've seen some that were ctrl-alt-s
[10:12] <jleibold> KenSentMe: I wonder why msp3400 produces heavy cpu load when running tvtime
[10:12] <Duff> Well, on my other computer it's like...Ctrl+D or something.
[10:12] <Paladine> garry, muist be a furranor thing ;p
[10:12] <nashy> how do I add a user via recovery console? Anyone?
[10:12] <garryF> A dinobox
[10:12] <Subhuman> nashy, "adduser username"
[10:13] <Duff> Thanks again for all the help guys. I'm done with questions for the night. I'm sure I'll be back here tomorrow though, when I install it.
[10:13] <Madpilot> nashy, as Subhuman said, then "addgroup username admin" - same username as the one you just created, so you've got sudo privs
[10:14] <KenSentMe> jleibold: have you searched the ubuntuforums.org on your problem, maybe there is someone who had the same
[10:14] <Madpilot> nashy, then "shutdown -r now" to restart your computer
[10:14] <nashy> Madpilot / Subhuman:  The user 'nashy' does not exist
[10:14] <Paladine> mad - "reboot" works too :)
[10:14] <jleibold> KenSentMe: searched a lot of forums - will have a look there - thank you
[10:14] <Madpilot> nashy, "adduser nashy" doesn't work?
[10:14] <Al2O3> fyrestrtr, question now.  I have 4 accounts on this computer, and the uid=1000 solution works for me, user 1000 UID, but not obviously for others, how to solve this was in theory to use mask=666 where all parties (users) would mount and have xw prives, but we know that didn't work in /etc/fstab.  The uid=1000 did for me as I stated, but now I want the other users to be able to login, and have mount/read on the CD working.  Any oth
[10:14] <Al2O3> er ideas on how to solve this problem?
[10:14] <jenda-lappy> I need a bit of help with OpenOffice. My dad uses .doc exclusively and whenever he saves a document in OO.org, the next time he opens it, all "" are replaced with a japanese character of some sort. When done again, all of these are converted to question marks. When I use the replace tool to fix this manually, save and load, all my "" are replaced by copyright signs... Any ideas?
[10:14] <Subhuman> nashy, type "adduser nashy admin"
[10:14] <Subhuman> and follow the prompts
[10:16] <nashy> sorry.. I read wrong guys.  Try reboot now thanks :-)
[10:16] <Madpilot> Subhuman, that's a simpler method that the one I was suggesting - thanks :)
[10:17] <Paladine> nite peeps
[10:17] <garryF> Here is what I put in my /etc/fstab to get access to a particular drive accross users ... /dev/sda1 /mnt/Sata1 ntfs uid=1000,umask=000,ro 0 0
[10:18] <garryF> Night Paladine
[10:18] <nashy> ohh guys.  This is a nice looking OS you got here
[10:18] <garryF> :)
[10:18] <Healot> nashy: up and running already?
[10:19] <nashy> Yeah.  No internet though.  Whats the process to fix that?
[10:19] <nashy> Network works, I can see my router, just no connection :-S
[10:19] <garryF> Is it wireless?
[10:20] <nashy> na, blue cables everywhere :-p
[10:20] <Madpilot> nashy, wired net usually just works - odd that it didn't
[10:21] <girish> hi all ....can i copy debian packages available with magazine cd's like that of LFY to the apt/cache?
[10:21] <Madpilot> do you have more than one network port on your box, nashy?
[10:21] <Healot> blue? by any chances th cables is written "cat 5"?
[10:21] <nashy> I'm running cat 5 from computer (only one port) to a switch, then to a router
[10:21] <garryF> system/administration/network nashy. It will ask for a password, that will be the password for the first account you created.
[10:21] <nashy> it connects to my router as I can view the config of it
[10:22] <KenSentMe> girish: you could copy them to your ubuntu and install them with 'sudo dpkg -i <package>.deb'
[10:22] <garryF> !network
[10:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about network
[10:22] <Madpilot> nashy, hmm, if it's connecting to your router, it should get the rest of the way out to the net...
[10:22] <nashy> Should yeah, but firefox does nothing
[10:23] <Madpilot> odd
[10:23] <garryF> See under system/administration/networking maybe that help.
[10:24] <girish> kensentme: hiii if i backup the already downloaded packages to my harddisk and upgrade to ubuntu 6 then will i be able to install the same packages without having to download them
[10:24] <nashy> Add/Remove thing is connected, it just updated :-s
[10:24] <garryF> There are also network tools.
[10:24] <Madpilot> girish, are they Ubuntu packages or Debian ones? There are differences
[10:24] <girish> they r ubuntu packages
[10:24] <KenSentMe> girish: if you are talking about ubuntu packages, then it's best to download new ones, because the versions are upgraded
[10:24] <girish> i downloaded with synaptic
[10:25] <girish> ohh but i juz downloaded them
[10:25] <Madpilot> nashy, open a terminal (Applications->Accessories->Terminal) and type "ping -c 5 google.com" - see what that does
[10:25] <girish> kensent me:ohh but i juz downloaded them
[10:25] <nashy> Madpilot: ping:bad number of packets to transmit
[10:26] <KenSentMe> girish: when you are upgrading ubuntu it means that you install newer versions of the software, so the old versions are mostly not used anymore
[10:26] <nashy> Madpilot: I got it to ping, and its fine with 10 packets
[10:27] <Madpilot> nashy, then Firefox is being stupid for some reason :|
[10:27] <nashy> hmm.. I'll have to have a look at the settings :-S
[10:27] <girish> kensentme:some of the IDE's are not in the ubuntu cd
[10:27] <girish> like eclipse
[10:28] <Madpilot> girish, eclipse is available via Ubuntu's online repos - it's in Universe
[10:28] <KenSentMe> girish: then mostly you can download them with the package manager synaptic, but it probably will be newer versions
[10:28] <Fitzz> !aiglx
[10:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about aiglx
[10:29] <SpeesKeek> hi there. Im trying to install. but it takes ages before the cd boots (and other distro's too) uncompressing linux takes about 20-25minutes
[10:29] <girish> ohh...i know madpilot but the thing is that i want to avoid a redownload coz i have the packages in my cache right now
[10:30] <nbjayme> okay.... we reinstalled ubuntu and everything works fine....
[10:30] <nbjayme> clear
[10:31] <garryF> Firefox under edit/preferences/general has a connection config button. Might try looking at that.
[10:31] <garryF> !info aiglx
[10:31] <ubotu> Package aiglx does not exist in dapper
[10:31] <girish> bye guys..
[10:32] <Consty> anyone have problems with their sound sounding all crackly with programs like zsnes?
[10:32] <garryF> Gnight.
[10:33] <garryF> Hmm, I got cracklines once after changing some settings by using alsamixer. I fixed it by experimenting with alsamixer command in terminal mode
[10:34] <spades> there is an alsamixergui fyi
[10:34] <garryF> er cracky sound.
[10:34] <nashy> I have a USB audio interface device, are there any drivers for it?
[10:34] <garryF> nice, thanks
[10:34] <garryF> !usbsound
[10:34] <ubotu> I know nothing about usbsound
[10:34] <garryF> !usb
[10:34] <ubotu> I know nothing about usb
[10:34] <nashy> garryF: What?
[10:34] <Healot> !hardware
[10:34] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:34] <garryF> sound blaser live?
[10:35] <Consty> nah
[10:35] <nashy> no.  Its a USB sterio
[10:35] <Consty> its onboard intel something.. forget the # but its detected by alsa
[10:35] <Consty> I mean I can play dvd's and such just fine
[10:35] <AnAnt> is there software in Ubuntu that can be used to edit media files ?
[10:35] <Consty> but zsnes, mame, and other apps sound bad.
[10:35] <soundray> nashy: ubuntu should load the driver for it automatically.
[10:36] <garryF> Hmm, The ! before a word is an attempt to get the bot to show you useful info on getting your sound working.
[10:36] <nashy> soundsray: Its not there / working
[10:36] <garryF> !sound
[10:36] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:36] <soundray> nashy: do you get any errors when you plug it in?
[10:37] <garryF> Firefox still giving you fits getting past router?
[10:37] <garryF> er that was for nashy
[10:37] <nashy> I haven't unplugged it.  I also don't have Sys - > Pref -> Multimedia
[10:37] <stefg> I'm a bit confused using mount with the '--bind' or '--rbind' switches. I'm trying to mount only a dir called /boot on hda1 (vfat for a reason) to the /boot mountpoint on hda5 (which is my ubuntu root). Can anyone tell me what to enter to the otpions colum in fstab to accomplish this?
[10:37] <nashy> yeah, firefox still a no go
[10:38] <soundray> nashy: unplug it, run 'tail -f /var/log/messages', then plug it in and see if any errors are reported.
[10:38] <garryF> I guess I"ve been lucky. It detected all stuff except sound which was easy to figure out how to fix. I wish I knew how to fix firefox.
[10:39] <soundray> nashy: sorry, tail -f /var/log/syslog
[10:39] <nashy> It says its there, and tells me the device name, and says open prefs
[10:39] <nashy> but its not in the list to say I can select it
[10:39] <soundray> nashy: have you restarted gnome since you connected it?
[10:39] <nashy> no
[10:40] <nashy> I was gunna try and get my internet working first
[10:40] <soundray> nashy: better to solve one problem at a time.
[10:40] <cheeseman557> hey im installing ubuntu and i keep getting this error repeatedly: buffer i/o error on device sr0, logical block 25553
[10:40] <garryF> nashy can ping, but his firefox just sits there and does nothing.
[10:40] <dabaR> garryF: did he clear the cache?
[10:41] <garryF> dabaR DUnno
[10:42] <nashy> soundray:  I'll play with Internet first, I need that more than sound, if all else fails with sound I can use my laptop
[10:42] <nashy> Firefox still not working :-(
[10:42] <soundray> cheeseman557: could be a faulty CD or CD drive.
[10:43] <cheeseman557> soundray: but my laptop is practially brand new
[10:43] <cheeseman557> do you tihnk i shuld burn a new cd?\
[10:43] <dabaR> nashy: do you have a firewall installed that you know of? firestarter?
[10:43] <soundray> nashy: what kind of firewall?
[10:43] <garryF> Maybe brand new faulty device
[10:43] <cheeseman557> yea but i installed windows with it and windows is fine
[10:43] <nashy> dabaR / soundray: This is a clean install, I wouldn't have a clue, I've never used Ubuntu in my life
[10:43] <soundray> cheeseman557: perhaps check the CD first. There is a boot option.
[10:44] <cheeseman557> soundray, yea thats what i did and thats when im getting this error
[10:44] <soundray> nashy: I mean on your network.  Try burning a new one. Some people have solved problems like that by selecting a lower burning speed.
[10:44] <nashy> soundray:  No firewall in use
[10:45] <garryF> If I recall, nashy used the recocery mode to add a new user, unless I got him mixed up with another. Perhaps the new user has no internet and sound priveleges?
[10:45] <nashy> dabar: Yeah, ping is fine
[10:45] <nashy> garryF:  Correct, I needed to add a user
[10:45] <cheeseman557> soundray, ok thanks.. i just reformmated my comp thinking it was a problem with the hard drive >_<
[10:45] <garryF> ARgh, I hate my spelling
[10:45] <Madpilot> nashy, open a term, type "groups"
[10:45] <nashy> Madpilot: nashy admin
[10:45] <Madpilot> ouch
[10:46] <garryF> Yes! Mad's good. I hope to learn to fix this too by watching.
[10:46] <nashy> what have I done/not done?
[10:46] <Madpilot> it should look something like "brian adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin" - that's what I get from 'groups'
[10:46] <nashy> eek.  How would one go about fixing that?
[10:46] <dabaR> I have an issue with printing to a HP PSC 1215 on a win XP computer. I get to add the printer through the gnome-cups-add dialog, and it gets detected on the network, after entering the proper passwords for connecting to that PC. I then get to choose the printer driver, and mine is not listed. There is psc 1210, and 1200, so I tried choosing either, and the printer gets added, and says ready when the other PC and printer are on. However,
[10:47] <garryF> Is it possible nashy is in livecd mode?
[10:47] <dabaR> Is "machine" the last word there?
[10:47] <Madpilot> dabaR, "on. However"
[10:47] <nashy> garryF: I just did a fresh install.  I chose OEM install
[10:47] <soundray> nashy: go to System-Admin-Users and Groups. Give your user all rights.
[10:47] <Madpilot> nashy, ah - OEM install is odd. No wonder you're having issues
[10:48] <garryF> Yeah, oem sounds like a solaris thing.
[10:48] <fyrestrtr> soundray: what kind of advice is that?!
[10:48] <garryF> Nextenta, an dapper with a solaris core backend.
[10:48] <dabaR> on. However, I send the printer a job, which gets added to the printer q for a moment, then the printer status goes to ready again, but nothing prints on the machine.
[10:48] <soundray> fyrestrtr: what do you mean?
[10:49] <nashy> should I reinstall?  Its no hassle if thats the best thing to do
[10:49] <fyrestrtr> soundray: no reason for a user to be part of all groups in the system. That's just asking for trouble.
[10:49] <garryF> Likely, using default install
[10:49] <soundray> nashy: is it correct what garryF said, that you added a new user in recovery mode?
[10:49] <nashy> soundray: yes
[10:49] <Madpilot> nashy, you might be better off reinstalling, using the default install mode
[10:50] <garryF> I agree
[10:50] <soundray> nashy: I wouldn't waste time reinstalling.
[10:50] <dabaR> :-/
[10:50] <dxdemetriou> I have stay on ext3 for the reason that I never had problem with power lost. Is there another like this file system?