[12:10] <DonDma> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW CAN I GO SEE THE OTHER ROOMS?
[12:11] <DonDma> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW CAN I  SEE THE OTHER ROOMS?
[12:11] <Hawkwind> DonDma: /msg chanserv list
[12:11] <Hawkwind> DonDma: Stop repeating please and drop the caps too.   Thanks
[12:11] <cgj> bleh
[12:11] <DonDma> Yeah, it was only a mistake, sorry
[12:11] <Hawkwind> DonDma: You can also just type:  /list
[12:11] <cgj> lots of newbies here
[12:12] <aztun> woow a guru has gone
[12:12] <aztun> how sad I feel
[12:12] <heras> yeah, that'll teach those n00bs
[12:12] <admin__> hello!!!
[12:13] <admin__> hello
[12:13] <Hawkwind> admin__: If you are looking for web design help, try something like #Web or #Html or something similar
[12:13] <admin__> i am writing code html
[12:13] <heras> admin__ : http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_colornames.asp
[12:14] <ace_> is there a command to put ubuntu to an earlyer point
[12:14] <admin__> ok heras thank you
[12:15] <admin__> i try now
[12:15] <heras> admin__ : np :)
[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> how can i stop using transparencies in XGL
[12:15] <Hawkwind> ace_: If you have daily backups you could.  But not something like a restore point in Windows
[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> it's stuck in a mode where i fade stuff in and out
[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> but i can't type or use the mouse
[12:15] <heinkel_111> well we don't ahve XGL in kubuntu yet for a reason :P
[12:16] <ace_> does ubuntu have a back up file when the os was installed
[12:16] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Can't help ya there.  I've never touched XGL.  Have you asked in #Ubuntu-XGL ?
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> not yet but i was just curious
[12:17] <Admiral_Chicago> this channel is a little more...responsive than #ubuntu-xgl
[12:17] <Raven301> !dvd
[12:17] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html. Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:17] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Agreed.  I just don't know the answer for ya unfortunately
[12:17] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, its cool
[12:17] <Kubuntu> kubuntu rocks!
[12:17] <Kubuntu> nixternal is god!
[12:18] <Kubuntu> smile for a screenshot!
[12:18] <Kubuntu> ;)
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> Kubuntu, nixternal is pretty cool
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> he is in #ubuntu-chicago all the time, thats our team channel
[12:18] <Kubuntu> i am nixternal...now smile for a screen shot :)
[12:18] <admin__> but i need help about  how give color'text in the page? which element i have to use?
[12:19] <Martijn81> :D :D :D
[12:19] <cannonball> What's generally considered the best way to get wireless pcmcia working if the card's drivers aren't OSS?
[12:19] <Hawkwind> cannonball: ndiswrapper ?
[12:20] <Martijn81> was that good?
[12:20] <heras> admin__ : No clue here. I did a google search om html colout tags. Lots of info there
[12:20] <draik> I don't know what's missing, but I can't get my OpenGL screensaver to work. Any ideas on what I should be looking for?
[12:20] <cannonball> I'm gonna google around for a bit, but here's what I'm up against:  "02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)"
[12:26] <NthDegree> cannonball: Intel have opensourced a lot of drivers
[12:27] <cannonball> I'll look into that.  So far it looks like ndiswrapper is the way to go though.
[12:29] <linnuxxy> im getting "sudo: timestamp too far in the future" error coz i had changed the clock... how to get over it?
[12:39] <_ShoGo_> when is gonna edgy become stable?
[12:40] <Hawkwind> _ShoGo_: Next month is the due date
[12:41] <_ShoGo_> Hawkwind: and do u know if last flight is more or less stable?
[12:41] <_ShoGo_> I have to format and reinstall so I doubt between installing dapper or edgy flight 2
[12:42] <Hawkwind> _ShoGo_: Some things are, some things aren't.  I'd recommand staying with stable for now unless you're a developer or want things broken
[12:42] <_ShoGo_> well, for sure I'm not a developer
[12:42] <_ShoGo_> hehe
[12:42] <_ShoGo_> i will install dapper then and wait for the upgrade
[12:48] <DexterF> hi
[12:49] <lupine_85> hi
[12:49] <DexterF> talked a friend into trying kubuntu.
[12:49] <DexterF> thing is, I need a user guide for him like: how do I install w32codecs, how do I play dvds etc etc. the obnoxious stuff.
[12:50] <lupine_85> the wiki has that sort of stuff on, IIRC
[12:50] <DexterF> he wanted to try on is own without me interfering so he learns it, we're at the w32codec issue for 45min now
[12:50] <lupine_85> w32codecs is easy enough - just the PLF repos
[12:50] <lupine_85> well, assuming he's not trying it on x86_64
[12:50] <DexterF> that doesn't even mean a thing to *me*
[12:50] <lupine_85> !PLF
[12:50] <DexterF> nono, win32
[12:50] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[12:51] <lupine_85> good bot
[12:51] <lupine_85> includes libdvdcss and w32codecs, IIRC
[12:51] <lupine_85> strictly illegal in the USA and most of the rest of the uncivilised world, but there you go
[12:52] <heras> er, didn't PLF quit?
[12:52] <lupine_85> still works here
[12:52] <DexterF> yes, I know - nut when I go "hey, try, is simple" - it better is
[12:52] <lupine_85> hehe :)
[12:52] <heras> ok, thought I read something to that effect.
[12:52] <lupine_85> should be fine
[12:52] <DexterF> lupine_85: the point is not adding a repos - he could do that. the point is gathering *which* repos
[12:53] <DexterF> as a a total n00b, how is he supposed to know
[12:53] <lupine_85> deb line is "deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free"
[12:54] <lupine_85> the easiest way, of course, is to ask on IRC :)
[12:54] <lupine_85> or search the Wiki
[12:54] <DexterF> ok, semi-legal-windows-codecs is one of the major tripwires, admitted
[12:54] <Dannilion> since we have a weird mix of national and European laws here
[12:55] <lupine_85> TBH, it's unlikely to get one arrested
[12:55] <lupine_85> but no, they aren't legal, strictly speaking
[12:55] <lupine_85> civil rather than criminal offence though, IIRC
[12:57] <heras> DexterF: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[12:58] <DexterF> *I* am here on IRC - he doesn't IRC
[01:00] <jpiccolo> should i download wine from the repos or from there site?
[01:00] <DexterF> I pretended n00b and dig it up on google. tough. really.
[01:00] <DexterF> well, doesn't matter, he gave up. lost another one to bill :)
[01:00] <lupine_85> jpiccolo: always use repos where available
[01:01] <cps1966> he could do mandriva
[01:03] <trpr> DexterF: that sucks. i lost one too. people just want their stuff to work and when its not perfect, they give up.
[01:03] <razorX> hi
[01:03] <DexterF> similar here
[01:03] <lupine_85> well, it's free - how much can you expect? :)
[01:04] <lupine_85> then again, for your average desktop user, windows is free as well
[01:06] <trpr> lack of good ntfs support is a major obstacle..  i suppose i can understand not wanting to switch when you have hundreds of gigs on ntfs partitions
[01:07] <lupine_85> hopefully all these fines will convince MS to change their tune in that respect
[01:08] <heras> NTFS support is getting better
[01:08] <lupine_85> 2.6.17 has some safe write support
[01:08] <trpr> yeah. its all getting better.. really fast i might add
[01:08] <BluesKaj> ok, I have java downloaded and extracted it , and i've managed to open the dir in the terminal ,but I've forgotten the install command
[01:08] <lupine_85> as long as the total file size doesn't change at all! :D
[01:08] <heras> But dual booting is hasle with lots of overhead
[01:10] <cps1966> you could use vista for test dummy
[01:11] <lupine_85> only in the context of gaining a firearms license...
[01:11] <cps1966> pyrotechnis class 5
[01:18] <mike___> i have just installed ububtu ,Whats an easy way to install jre,w32 etc,,Is there a repo I can add to sources?
[01:18] <mike___> Ubuntu^
[01:18] <lupine_85> deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf/ dapper free non-free
[01:18] <mike___> cheers
[01:18] <lupine_85> PLF repos will give you w32codecs and libdvdcss
[01:22] <mike___> lupine_85: I like the nuvola theme,,nice
[01:29] <jimmy__> hey new user here and i have a question
[01:29] <DexterF> does PLF have the closed-src macromedia flash?
[01:30] <lupine_85> DexterF: there's an installer for it in the main repos
[01:30] <jimmy__> does anybody know how to install flash player 7
[01:30] <lupine_85> !swf-player
[01:30] <ubotu> swf-player: SWF (Macromedia Flash) player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.6-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 32 kB, installed size 144 kB
[01:30] <DexterF> main? uh huh. happen to knwo the package name? there's quite a few
[01:30] <lupine_85> just install that, and it should do all the hard work for you
[01:31] <lupine_85> erm, main repos (to me) = any Ubuntu repository :)
[01:31] <lupine_85> as in, canonical repos
[01:31] <DexterF> would have suspected it to be non-free, hence not in the main repos
[01:32] <mike___> I cannot find "single click" option?
[01:32] <DexterF> we installed SWF (Macromedia Flash) PLayer, no go, at least in konq
[01:34] <lupine_85> hmm, that might be the Free SWF player
[01:34] <lupine_85> actually, yes it is
[01:34] <DexterF> i knwo a friend added an external repos for that. can't remember tho. google fu!
[01:34] <lupine_85> ok, search in adept for macromedia and see what shows up
[01:34] <lupine_85> !flash
[01:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:35] <lupine_85> here we are
[01:36] <lupine_85> install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:36] <cps1966> hell i gave up on dapper cause kdelibs would install
[01:36] <lupine_85> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[01:36] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:36] <lupine_85> uninstal the other one first
[01:36] <larson9999> i'm waiting for the announcement that they're going to wait until version 10 to release a linux version
[01:36] <lupine_85> hehe
[01:36] <lupine_85> doessn't affect me really
[01:37] <cps1966> yeah it'll be old like before
[01:37] <DexterF> ah, !info :)
[01:37] <DexterF> just found it
[01:37] <DexterF> !info flashplugin
[01:37] <ubotu> Package flashplugin does not exist in any distro I know
[01:38] <DexterF> so that doesn't work...
[01:38] <lupine_85> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[01:38] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:38] <lupine_85> get the name right :)
[01:38] <larson9999> heck, i only use it for my 5 year old's nickjr and other sites.  wine is improving quick enough that's it's not so bad
[01:39] <excitatory> does anyone know where to get aotuv oggenc debs for dapper?  i've been trying to compile from source, but with no luck..
[01:41] <lupine_85> and to test your brand-new flash, I suggest http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/frosty
[01:41] <lupine_85> and even if you haven't just installed flash - if you live in the UK, you should watch it anyway :D
[01:49] <tj_> ok i need help
[01:49] <tj_> i madde a website that is html
[01:49] <tj_> i added lots of html things but do u no of any advance html wording
[01:50] <tj_> i only no like paragraphs,music,videos
[01:50] <lupine_85> http:///www.jmarshall.com/
[01:50] <lupine_85> IIRC
[01:50] <tj_> i dont know how to like add blogs or forums or anything like advanced
[01:50] <tj_> is that link toi me?
[01:51] <Hawkwind> tj_: Yes
[01:51] <lupine_85> yep
[01:51] <Sanne> tj_: www.htmldog.com and also #css here on freenode
[01:51] <tj_> no hostname specified
[01:51] <Hawkwind> tj_: Also, for web design stuff you might try #Web or #HTML as those channels are geared more towards that stuff too
[01:52] <tj_> ill have to try those thanks
[01:52] <booby103944> hello
[01:52] <booby103944> can anyone tell me why kubuntu is doing this?.......
[01:52] <booby103944> ~$ sudo apt-get install synaptic
[01:52] <booby103944> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:52] <booby103944> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:53] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Do you have adept open when you do that ?
[01:53] <lupine_85> because you're using another package manager somewhere
[01:53] <lupine_85> oh
[01:53] <lupine_85> !pastebin
[01:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:53] <BluesKaj> ok, I have java downloaded and extracted it , and i've managed to open the dir in the terminal ,but I've forgotten the install command
[01:53] <rodri> hi, all
[01:53] <lupine_85> if you're not using another package manager, delete the lock file (/var/lib/dpkg/lock) - presumablt, it crasged at some point
[01:53] <lupine_85> erm, presumably and crashed ;)
[01:53] <Sanne> BluesKaj: isn't java in the repositories?
[01:54] <BluesKaj> ./install.sh doesn't work
[01:54] <BluesKaj> no this one is non free
[01:54] <Hawkwind> booby103944: You can't have adept or any other apt-get commands running at the same time
[01:54] <BluesKaj> i need it for azureus
[01:54] <booby103944> thank you
[01:54] <booby103944> ill try it again
[01:54] <BluesKaj> dinnertime ..bbl
[01:55] <mike___> jre available through any repo?
[01:55] <Riddell> multiverse
[01:55] <mike___> mmm cannot find it
[01:55] <trpr> i thought java was added to the repos. its something like sun-j2sdk1.5
[01:56] <Sanne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[01:57] <Sanne> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=sun-java&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[01:57] <Sanne> there you go :)
[01:57] <rodri> sun-java5-jdk
[01:57] <rodri> isn't it?
[02:00] <booby103944> anyone use skype on the ubuntu?
[02:00] <cps1966> yes
[02:01] <booby103944> im a noob here, so here goes the questions
[02:02] <booby103944> sudo apt-get install skype
[02:02] <booby103944> doesnt work
[02:03] <booby103944> E: Couldn't find package skype
[02:03] <booby103944> ??
[02:03] <booby103944> cant get gkrellm
[02:03] <booby103944> ether
[02:04] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Skype isn't open source
[02:04] <booby103944> so i cant use it then?
[02:04] <mike___> booby103944: I have just installed it
[02:04] <mike___> goes fine
[02:04] <Hawkwind> booby103944: You can get it from a repo in debian though.  Not always wise to use Debian sources unless you know they are safe, which I have one that is
[02:04] <Hawkwind> booby103944: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[02:05] <Hawkwind> booby103944: You could add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[02:05] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install skype
[02:06] <booby103944> thank you
[02:06] <booby103944> what about gkrellm?
[02:07] <booby103944> its an open source, but i cant seem to apt-get it
[02:07] <Sanne> booby103944: if you want to know if some software is available precompiled for ubuntu, you can search for it at packages.ubuntu.com
[02:07] <booby103944> sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[02:08] <Hawkwind> booby103944: It's in the repos
[02:08] <Sanne> booby103944: you can also find out if you need to enable additional repositories (universe, multiverse...)
[02:08] <Hawkwind> booby103944: apt-cache search gkrellm
[02:08] <booby103944> thanks for the infor guys, sorry im such a noob on this
[02:08] <Hawkwind> !info gkrellm
[02:08] <ubotu> gkrellm: multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client] . In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.7-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 388 kB, installed size 948 kB
[02:08] <Sanne> booby103944: no need to apologize, we've all been there sometimes :)
[02:09] <booby103944> thank you guys, for helping... i would love to throw my windows box out the window
[02:09] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Stick around and we'll get you to a point where you can do just that :)
[02:09] <booby103944> sweet
[02:09] <mike___> Ubuntu and multimedia,,,mmmm eerr
[02:11] <Sanne> booby103944: also check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/ if you like, lots of helpful stuff there.
[02:12] <beemonk> other than gaim, are they any other good msn or aim clients around?
[02:12] <lupine_85> kopete :)
[02:13] <beemonk> hmm didnt really like it :/
[02:13] <lupine_85> aMSN?
[02:13] <lupine_85> never used that though
[02:13] <samiam010203> did you trry kmess?
[02:13] <beemonk> nice but, too much hassle for me to get truetype fonts installed
[02:13] <beemonk> i just switched from xp a week ago so im a noob still
[02:13] <Hawkwind> Gaim is probably the most updated and nicest looking IMO.  There is amsn and others I'm sure
[02:13] <beemonk> setting up tcl/tk and truetype fonts and smoking cannabis is VERY difficult
[02:14] <lupine_85> surely if you're smoking cannabis you don't need truetype fonts?
[02:14] <beemonk> you can get amsn to look very nice but....I've been using windows for 15 years, im handicapped
[02:14] <lupine_85> ;)
[02:14] <beemonk> hahaha
[02:14] <rodri> :D
[02:14] <beemonk> nah i still need true type fonts :(
[02:15] <GStubbs43> Hey does anyone know this?  I have both Gnome and KDE on my computer, is there an automated way to put only kde apps on the KDE menu, and only gnome apps in the gnome menu?
[02:15] <rodri> there are tutorials to set tcl and truetype fonts that are very easy
[02:15] <rodri> and long :(
[02:16] <beemonk> I downloaded Ubuntu....then had problems with gnome and decided to try out KDE....downloaded KDE, had an error with the install config, couldnt fix it, so i just downloaded Kubuntu instead :P
[02:16] <beemonk> robert__
[02:16] <beemonk> errr, rodri
[02:16] <beemonk> i followed them to the T
[02:16] <beemonk> obviously im an idiot :(
[02:17] <booby103944> ok, i guess im below a NooB now..... i dont understand how to install gkrellm
[02:17] <rodri> no, probably you follow the wrong tutorial
[02:17] <nnn0> forget gkrellm, try conky :D
[02:17] <rodri> I use one in spanish that works perfect
[02:18] <beemonk> i'll look back at my attempt in 6 months and laugh at myself
[02:18] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Have you enabled all of your repos ?
[02:18] <beemonk> booby103944
[02:18] <Hawkwind> !info gkrellm
[02:18] <ubotu> gkrellm: multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client] . In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.7-5ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 388 kB, installed size 948 kB
[02:18] <beemonk> I dont know what gkrellm is
[02:18] <Hawkwind> booby103944: It's in multiverse
[02:18] <beemonk> what am i
[02:18] <rodri> you only have to copy/paste the commands
[02:18] <nnn0> !info conky
[02:18] <ubotu> conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.5-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 95 kB, installed size 316 kB
[02:18] <nnn0> ?
[02:18] <Hawkwind> Conky isn't for everyone :P
[02:18] <nnn0> k
[02:18] <nnn0> :)
[02:19] <Hawkwind> I don't particularly care for it myself, though it's not horrible or anything
[02:19] <nnn0> i like the clean design
[02:19] <nnn0> and transparency
[02:19] <Hawkwind> gkrellm is transparent too
[02:19] <nnn0> k
[02:19] <rodri> here is http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/21285
[02:19] <Hawkwind> Or can be with a theme
[02:20] <booby103944> im going to go reg for this site, and then could some nice soul go in a privite room and talk me through it?
[02:20] <Sanne> wow, sourceforge is really slow again today (trying to go to conky.sourceforge.net so I can have a look)
[02:20] <booby103944> i will name my first born after ya
[02:20] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Just enable your repos and you can install it
[02:20] <Hawkwind> !repos > booby103944
[02:20] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Read the info the bot sent you in pm
[02:21] <booby103944> i will
[02:21] <booby103944> hank you
[02:21] <booby103944> thank***
[02:21] <hiro_p> Hi, everytime i try to compile something i get this message: "make: *** [default]  Error 2" can anybody help me please?
[02:24] <Hawkwind> hiro_p: What are you trying to compile, and is there not a prebuilt package already ?
[02:25] <hiro_p> i'm triying to installl some thinkpad related software
[02:25] <hiro_p> i didnt find any precompiled software
[02:25] <hiro_p> but i always get this error message, no matter what i try to compile
[02:26] <Hawkwind> hiro_p: Have you installed build-essential ?
[02:27] <hiro_p> Hawkwind: yes, i have build-essentials and binutils installed
[02:28] <hiro_p> Hawkwind: the whole error message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23270
[02:29] <mewshi> hi
[02:29] <mewshi> i'm trying to get my broadcom bcm4318 to work
[02:29] <mewshi> could someone help me?
[02:30] <Hawkwind> hiro_p: Not sure on that one to be honest
[02:30] <Hawkwind> mewshi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[02:30] <Hawkwind> mewshi: Have you read that URL ?
[02:32] <hiro_p> Hawkwind: thanks anyway
[02:33] <mewshi> it can't find bcm43xx-fwcutter
[02:35] <Sanne> mewshi: it's in universe
[02:36] <lupine_85> mewshi: generic firmware in http://www.lupine.me.uk/bcm43xx
[02:36] <lupine_85> the tar.gz, NOT the script
[02:36] <Sanne> lupine_85: why should mewshi not use the version from the universe repository?
[02:37] <lupine_85> because the file in question is the firmware itself, not the firmware cutter :)
[02:37] <lupine_85> it might not work,but there's a good chance it will
[02:37] <lupine_85> up to mewshi of cours
[02:37] <lupine_85> ...e
[02:37] <Sanne> lupine_85: oh, ok, thanks for the clarification :)
[02:38] <GStubbs43> How do you change the clock from 24-hr format to 12-hr format?
[02:39] <Sanne> GStubbs43: the clock on the tray of kubuntu panel?
[02:39] <GStubbs43> yup
[02:40] <Sanne> GStubbs43: richt click, Date & Time Firmat
[02:40] <Sanne> Format even
[02:41] <GStubbs43> Where do I go from Date & Time Format?
[02:41] <Sanne> GStubbs43: there should be a tab "Time & Dates"
[02:42] <booby103944> ok, im back.... anyone know why im getting this?
[02:42] <Sanne> GStubbs43: when you are there, you can click on the help button to get the available time format options.
[02:43] <GStubbs43> Thanks Sanne! Sorry for the easy question! :D
[02:43] <booby103944> Error writing /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[02:43] <Sanne> GStubbs43: you're welcome, and no need to apologize :)
[02:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> booby103944: use sudo (console editor) or kdesu (GUI editor)
[02:44] <booby103944> thank you ill try that
[02:45] <GStubbs43> Oh one other thing, what KDE version does Kubuntu 6.06 use? (by default) Is it 3.4.3?
[02:45] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Something like:  kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:45] <Hawkwind> GStubbs43: 3.5.2
[02:45] <Hawkwind> GStubbs43: Though 3.5.3 was uploaded later that night of release of Dapper
[02:45] <booby103944> OMG i feel like a kid with a new toy!!!
[02:45] <GStubbs43> Thanks Hawkwind
[02:46] <Hawkwind> GStubbs43: No problem
[02:46] <Hawkwind> booby103944: Hah!  I still get that feeling even after using linux for 5 years now
[02:46] <Sanne> GStubbs43: most KDE apps have help->about kde that says the version number of kde you're running.
[02:46] <renatim-br> how do I acces another HD from my ubuntu? how do I mount it? anybody could help me with this one?
[02:48] <earthsound> is there a repository that has a more recent version of kaffeine than 0.7.1?
[02:48] <GStubbs43> Ahh... thanks again Sanne
[02:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> GStubbs43: you can also run kded --version from the console.
[02:48] <Hawkwind> !info kaffeine
[02:48] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1.3ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 1528 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[02:48] <GStubbs43> and CheeseBurgerMan
[02:48] <GStubbs43> :-D
[02:48] <Sanne> GStubbs43: my pleasure :)
[02:48] <Hawkwind> !info kaffeine edgy
[02:48] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.1-3ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2087 kB, installed size 5264 kB
[02:49] <booby103944> ok guys, in the last hour i became fully aware why linux is by far the best OS out there, and thanks to you guys for all the help
[02:49] <Hawkwind> earthsound: Looks like the newer version is in Edgy, but not recommended you upgrade
[02:49] <skryking> heh
[02:49] <booby103944> i will def be helping the Linux groups out
[02:49] <booby103944> can we get a group hug now?
[02:50] <earthsound> Hawkwind: is the version in edgy only available if you're running Edgy? or can I install/run it from dapper?
[02:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> earthsound: you could try to download it from http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and installing it with dpkg -i, but it may have dependency problems.
[02:50] <skryking> i've been running some form of linux since about 94 or 95, and I'm still not convinced its best... :)
[02:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> skryking: but you've obviously not found it to be horrible, since you've been running it for over 10 years. ;)
[02:51] <Hawkwind> earthsound: I wouldn't recommend using versions in Edgy on Dapper.  It can and probably will break things
[02:52] <Sanne> earthsound: if you're adventurous, you could even get the source package from edgy and try to recompile it for your dapper. That way you minimise dependency issues.
[02:52] <skryking> cheeseburgerman, exactly :)
[02:53] <earthsound> Sanne: i suppose that would be the best route
[02:53] <Sanne> earthsound: yep, I think so too.
[02:54] <earthsound> I guess I had a misconception of adept...but I thought that that's what adept did: grabbed packages/sources, compiled them w/ specifics to your install...
[02:54] <earthsound> how far off base is that assumption?
[02:54] <skryking> earthsound, download a copy of vmware-server..its free now...install dapper on it and then test the edgy package on it...that way if it borks it....you don't have to worry about your main OS
[02:55] <earthsound> (I haven't played w/ any linux distros since gentoo a while back...and I'm not used to the watered down yet user friendly point and click interface of adept)
[02:55] <lupine_85> adept installs binary packages
[02:55] <Sanne> earthsound: adept installes binary packages. I don't know if adept can also download source and compile. But the command line too apt can do that.
[02:55] <Sanne> command line tool
[02:55] <earthsound> ah, I guess that's what I'll use then :)
[02:55] <trpr> earthsound: thats more accurate for a distro like gentoo. adept / apt deals primarily in binary packages (although those packages are created from source packages, which are also retrievable)
[02:56] <earthsound> brb...gotta put kids to bed
[02:57] <chozabu> hey, anyone know why there is no wine on the ubuntu64 repos, despite it being manually installable?
[02:57] <chozabu> not complaning, just kinda idily wondering...
[03:03] <Sanne> chozabu: there's no 64bit wine. While the 32bit version is installable, I think it is not an officially supported way of doing things.
[03:03] <larson9999> dang! i dropped my external usb drive with an hd inside and now it won't work.  it only fell the height of the computer tower and the floor is carpeted
[03:04] <lupine_85> glass....
[03:05] <Ertain> Crap.  I forgot how to unlock my pack database.
[03:08] <booby103944> anyone use kweather?
[03:10] <lupine_85> it's generally broken
[03:10] <cps1966> no its not you have to add more than on estation then it works
[03:11] <lupine_85> with only one station in my area, that's not a possibility :(
[03:11] <cps1966> well add another close by
[03:11] <cps1966> and choose yours
[03:13] <CraZy675> I got a 250gig external hdd, i've connected it and i've had mounting /dev/sbd1 forever
[03:13] <cloakable> I'm looking to switch to Kubuntu from Ubuntu. Is there any hidden files and folders in my home directory that can be safely deleted?
[03:13] <CraZy675> is there a way I can format this thing in ext3
[03:14] <CraZy675> its in fat 32 right now
[03:14] <cps1966> qparted can do it
[03:15] <CraZy675> got gparted open
[03:15] <CraZy675> why is it in fat32 and not ntfs?
[03:16] <cps1966> who knows
[03:17] <CraZy675> okay applying
[03:18] <Sanne> night all
[03:21] <CraZy675> ok i partitioned my drive half ext32 half fat32, how do I stop the fat32 partition from auto mounting?
[03:22] <CraZy675> its an external drive
[03:22] <lupine_85> CraZy675: add "noauto" to the fstab
[03:23] <CraZy675> i only want that for fat32
[03:23] <CraZy675> or ntfs
[03:26] <tyler_d> I cannot burn music using rythmplayer??? any ideas?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> k3b
[03:36] <stoic> hello everyone
[03:36] <wayne_> i installed a program but cant seem to find it on my consol or my menus now..... have i done something wrong?  program was kweather
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan_> wayne_: I believe it's a kicker applet.
[03:37] <wayne_> ok, not sure what that means
[03:37] <Telroth|School> kweather is a mini-app (applet) that runs in the kicker (taskbar)
[03:38] <saki> Anyone on that has a HP Deskjet F340 aio printer?
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan_> Not a problem. :) Right click on your taskbar, go to Add Applet... and then find  Kweather in the list.
[03:38] <Telroth|School> right click on blank space in the taskbar, select "add applet to panel" and then find kweather
[03:38] <Telroth|School> it's at the bottom
[03:38] <Telroth|School> then click "add to panel"
[03:38] <jpiccolo> how can i tell if i have video acceleration?
[03:38] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, glxgears -info
[03:38] <Telroth|School> run that in a console
[03:39] <Telroth|School> if it reports fps > 50 or so, acceleration is likely
[03:39] <jpiccolo> GL_RENDERER   = GeForce 7900 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[03:39] <jpiccolo> no fps report
[03:39] <wayne_> thank you
[03:39] <Telroth|School> i get ~2000 fps on a nvidia geforce 5200fx
[03:40] <freddirkse> hi all.  anyone know a bit about software raid?  I upgraded my kernal and now my system won't boot...can't see the raid devices...
[03:40] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, give it a bit, it makes a report every 5 seconds
[03:40] <Darkkish> hola
[03:40] <Darkkish> dhat?
[03:40] <Darkkish> ~2000 fps on a 5200fx?!
[03:40] <jpiccolo> i did, i outputs alot of stuff under GL_extensions
[03:41] <jpiccolo> but no fps report
[03:41] <CraZy675> ok so I got this external hdd partitioned but now it doesn't seem to mount
[03:42] <wayne_> anyone know what the program john is?
[03:42] <Telroth|School> wayne_, "man john"
[03:42] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, below the stuff under the GL_extentions, it should print fps every 5 seconds
[03:43] <wayne_> thank you
[03:43] <Telroth|School> (at least mine is)
[03:43] <Telroth|School> you might try glxgears -fps
[03:43] <Telroth|School> as i've seen that used
[03:43] <Telroth|School> or glxgears -printfps
[03:44] <jpiccolo> 73488 frames in 5.0 seconds = 14697.570 FPS
[03:44] <jpiccolo> there we go
[03:44] <Telroth|School> :)
[03:44] <jpiccolo> i wonder if my sli is enabled
[03:44] <Telroth|School> you have glx acceleration
[03:44] <Telroth|School> i can't help you there
[03:44] <jpiccolo> yeah
[03:44] <Telroth|School> the lowly 5200fx doesn't have sli for me to play with
[03:45] <Telroth|School> (*saving for 7950GX2*)
[03:45] <jpiccolo> Cedega says i dont have opengl support
[03:45] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, then you need to google the error message
[03:45] <Telroth|School> i don't have a copy of cedega to mess with
[03:45] <jpiccolo> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[03:46] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, does your xorg.conf have stuff for a wacom tablet on /dev/wacom in it?
[03:46] <Telroth|School> (brb)
[03:47] <jpiccolo> yes it does
[03:47] <jpiccolo> just take out the whole section?
[03:51] <royal> hi again
[03:51] <Telroth|School> jpiccolo, yes
[03:53] <royal> hi i'm just wondering two things: first off how do I create a Dual boot on this computer (the windows computer) secondly how do I install flight simulator (windows version) onto my linux PC?
[03:53] <saki> royal
[03:53] <royal> yes?
[03:54] <saki> to dual boot you must either a. Setup GRUB to recognize both partitions b. setup LILO
[03:54] <saki> because kubuntu uses grub we'll go with that
[03:55] <royal> k.  (this is just info for later btw... the flight simulator thing I would like to try tonight)
[03:55] <NeoSaki> When you install Kubuntu 6.06, GRUB should automatically be setup to see your Windows partition and setup for it, if not we will have to manually edit it...
[03:55] <NeoSaki> as for Flight Simulator, you will need to install Wine
[03:56] <royal> k
[03:56] <NeoSaki> !wine
[03:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:57] <earthsound> back
[03:57] <Darkkish> fayth
[03:57] <royal> k
[03:58] <VIC-20> sera
[03:58] <royal> is there a way to install wine from the outside? (like with a jumpdrive)
[03:59] <earthsound> how do I point apt-getto the edgy repository(ies) to grab kaffeine sources from edgy?
[03:59] <earthsound> *apt-get to
[03:59] <StevenX> guys. i have a question. i was using a system that use KDE as the default windows manager. I was able to download and install other window managers, such as xfce, etc.
[03:59] <StevenX> can i not just install the normal ubuntu and download kde for it?
[03:59] <cloakable> Yes
[03:59] <cloakable> You can
[04:00] <StevenX> cloakable: then why does kubuntu exist?
[04:00] <royal> for people that don't know how to do it?
[04:00] <StevenX> oh. ok
[04:00] <StevenX> thank you.
[04:01] <StevenX> ;-)
[04:01] <cloakable> StevenX: Because it makes it easier. You don't need to either have both GNOME and KDE on the same computer, or in the case of the server install, for people who don't have the technical knowledge to setup KDE from the command line
[04:01] <abattoir> StevenX: you can install normal kubuntu and get gnome for it too.. why does ubuntu exist :P
[04:02] <royal> btw is there a way to install wine from the outside? (eg jumpdrive)
[04:02] <NeoSaki> royal: Do you not have a linux computer with net abilities?
[04:02] <abattoir> StevenX: some people prefer their OS to come w/ KDE as the default DE, others GNOME... so it is to cater to both these markets
[04:02] <NeoSaki> royal: you can, but its a bit annoying...
[04:02] <royal> no I just have one internet connection, and the windows computer is using it
[04:03] <Darkkish> i installed a flash player plugin
[04:03] <Darkkish> and now it locks up Firefox
[04:03] <Darkkish> >.<
[04:03] <obf213> my printer doesnt work, it just spews out blank pages
[04:04] <Darkkish> i just want to see a stupid flash thing on my erm... *changes font to small* myspace
[04:04] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[04:04] <Darkkish> yeah i did that
[04:05] <Darkkish> but it didn't even install anything
[04:05] <Darkkish> well it kinda did
[04:05] <Darkkish> but it didn't appear to work with firefox... or something
[04:06] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla ?
[04:06] <gmgrigsby> hello all
[04:07] <magic-1> hi alls!!!
[04:07] <Darkkish> i don't have that telroth
[04:08] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, multiverse and universe enabled?
[04:08] <obf213> i disabled my wireless and plug in my ethernet and i lost my connect until i enabled my wireless again y is this
[04:09] <obf213> i just hotkeyed the wireless radio off
[04:09] <Gnelg> I am new to Kubuntu and new to kde so forgive my ignorance please, but is there a way to put what would be the same as a shortcut in windows of my Home Folder on the desktop?
[04:10] <Darkkish> Telroth|School,  yes
[04:10] <magic-1> mmm
[04:10] <obf213> plus i set up printer using printer wizard or w/e and all it does is make the pritner spew out blnk pages
[04:10] <obf213> Gnelg: system menu-> home folder
[04:11] <obf213> anyone know about the printer?
[04:11] <Gnelg> obf213, yes I have been attempting to drag and drop that one but it doesn't let me
[04:13] <AWOSDev> I need help with, well, anything.
[04:13] <AWOSDev> A CD of mine is going bad.
[04:13] <AWOSDev> Trying to read it on a M$ computer gives me "Cannot read from the source file or disk"
[04:13] <obf213> Gnelg
[04:14] <obf213> open konquerer
[04:14] <Gnelg> yes?
[04:14] <AWOSDev> dd and cat both say "/dev/hdc: Input/output error"
[04:14] <AWOSDev> How do I make dd or cat 'ignore' the I/O error?
[04:14] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, try it on another CD-ROM
[04:14] <Gnelg> ok
[04:14] <AWOSDev> Like in the days of yore in DOS
[04:14] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, -noerror
[04:14] <obf213> Gnelg enter this system:/
[04:14] <AWOSDev> fowlduck-, I already tried it in two other drives
[04:14] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, iirc
[04:14] <obf213> then you can right click the home icon and copy to desktop
[04:15] <AWOSDev> dd: invalid option -- n
[04:15] <AWOSDev> cat: invalid option -- o
[04:15] <fowlduck-> lol
[04:15] <royal> alright how do you install Wine from the outside?
[04:15] <AWOSDev> cat: unrecognized option '--noerror'
[04:15] <obf213> anyone know how to set up  a printer
[04:16] <fowlduck-> let me look
[04:16] <AWOSDev> At my disc?
[04:16] <obf213> i set up mine but it just spews blank pages
[04:16] <AWOSDev> :)
[04:16] <obf213> or set up a printer/scanner
[04:16] <Telroth|School> obf213, did the test page print correctly?
[04:16] <obf213> i dont kow what correctely is
[04:16] <obf213> it did print some stuf
[04:16] <AWOSDev> obf213, when I first installed Linux it did that too
[04:16] <AWOSDev> obf213, then I realised, I was out of ink :)
[04:16] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, man dd
[04:17] <Telroth|School> it's a page that has colors in top left, 1-degree radial lines in top right, and printer info in bottom half
[04:17] <AWOSDev> obf213, so the question is: Are you out of ink?
[04:17] <Darkkish> grr
[04:17] <obf213> no, because it printed stuff on the tes
[04:17] <Darkkish> i am having trouble installing flash player -_-
[04:17] <obf213> just soem random text
[04:17] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, i can't think of much to help you with right now
[04:17] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, does flash run fine in konqueror?
[04:17] <Telroth|School> OH
[04:17] <AWOSDev> conv=noerror, ahhh, thanks fowlduck-!
[04:17] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, dd if=/dev/hdc of=./blah.img noerror
[04:17] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, is it running with artsdsp, but is arts not running ?
[04:18] <renatim-br> I need some help mounting a different HD here.... please!!
[04:18] <obf213> it worked with my windows comp i took th eusb plug it in my laptop and set it up and it just spewed out blank pages
[04:18] <Darkkish> flash doesn't appear in konq
[04:18] <Darkkish> and, freezes firefox
[04:18] <Telroth|School> obf213, have you printed a test page in linux ?
[04:18] <Gnelg> obf213, I did try that also but it copies about a gig of ogg files to the desktop inside the folder, I'm just kind of wanting a pointer to the folder rather than copying it
[04:19] <Telroth|School> Gnelg, right click -> create -> link to url
[04:19] <Telroth|School> click enter
[04:19] <Telroth|School> click enter
[04:19] <Telroth|School> right click-> properties
[04:19] <AWOSDev> fowlduck-, can I make it just give up easily?
[04:19] <Telroth|School> select icon and/or rename to "Home" if you want
[04:19] <AWOSDev> it sits *forever* at 1540096 bytes
[04:19] <AWOSDev> it's still there, even
[04:20] <AWOSDev> Also, when I tried to run fsck on it, it said it couldn't find 'fsck.iso9660'.  It wasn't in apt-cache search either, and Google gave me nothing.
[04:20] <timi> alright so anybody know wht the problem with my printer is?
[04:21] <AWOSDev> I don't know what 'M' to RTM. :)
[04:22] <Telroth|School> timi = obf213?
[04:22] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, in one terminal do the dd, in another just use watch to watch the image filesize grow
[04:22] <timi> yes
[04:22] <timi> i got disconneced
[04:22] <Telroth|School> timi, kcontrol -> printers -> administrator mode -> enter password -> add -> printer/class -> local printer
[04:22] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, it runs forever
[04:22] <timi> telroth i did that
[04:22] <AWOSDev> Well, fowlduck-, I'm kind of using ls -ld S2.img but watch works too :P
[04:22] <timi> and i set up  a printer, whenever i send the test page w/ that it is printed some junk
[04:22] <Telroth|School> did you print a test page from that wizard after selecting a driver?
[04:22] <fowlduck-> AWOSDev, otherwise, get a cd resurfacer, if it's that important
[04:23] <timi> junk as in legitamte words
[04:23] <Telroth|School> ah, if it's junk then pick a different driver
[04:23] <NthDegree> AWOSDev, just dd the CD
[04:23] <Darkkish> Telroth|School, it locks up firefox, and doesn't show up in Konq
[04:23] <Telroth|School> my printer had about 10 drivers
[04:23] <timi> like copyright and soome other stuff, when i send a documetn it spews out blank pages
[04:23] <Gnelg> Telroth|School: thanks
[04:23] <Telroth|School> i just tried each one until it worked
[04:23] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, is it running with artsdsp, but is arts not running ?
[04:23] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, um, I am dd'ing it?!
[04:23] <NthDegree> lol
[04:24] <NthDegree> then use error correction on it afterwards :)
[04:24] <earthsound> Darkkish: did you try http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux&P3_Browser_Version=Netscape4
[04:24] <AWOSDev> Error correction?  Did I miss something in man dd or what!?
[04:24] <Telroth|School> earthsound, it's the same as what you get with flashplugin-nonfree
[04:25] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree --reinstall
[04:25] <NthDegree> AWOSDev, burn the image to a CD-RW using K3B in DAO mode a good few times
[04:25] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, I would if it would ever dd it.
[04:25] <timi> Telroth|School ahh so thats wht the test page is supposed to look like thanks
[04:25] <AWOSDev> I have a Konsole full of
[04:25] <timi> yeah i was using i guess the wrong driver
[04:26] <Darkkish> Telroth|School,  artsd is running fine
[04:26] <NthDegree> dd if=/dev/hdc of=cdimage.iso bs=100M
[04:26] <AWOSDev> dd: reading '/dev/hdc': Input/output errror; 3024+0 records in/out. 1.5MB copied, [increasing]  seconds.
[04:26] <NthDegree> hmmmm
[04:26] <AWOSDev> If I do it in blocks of 100M then won't it just error faster?
[04:26] <NthDegree> maybe
[04:26] <NthDegree> i have an idea
[04:26] <Telroth|School> ( Darkkish, i was asking because i know flash would freeze ion konq if i was using artsdsp with artsd disabled)
[04:27] <NthDegree> use K3B to do it (if it will let you)
[04:27] <Darkkish> it isn't freezing in konq
[04:27] <NthDegree> it may do things another way
[04:27] <AWOSDev> K3B?
[04:27] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, cd burning software
[04:27] <Darkkish> its not apearing at all but konq still loads the page, the flash section just isn't showing
[04:27] <Darkkish> it locks up firefox though
[04:27] <AWOSDev> Why won't it just noerror like I told it to?
[04:27] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, try reinstalling it
[04:27] <NthDegree> K3B comes with Kubuntu
[04:27] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree --reinstall
[04:27] <Darkkish> i did that
[04:27] <Telroth|School> ok
[04:27] <AWOSDev> I thought K3B was a music CD tool, not data.
[04:27] <Telroth|School> hrm
[04:28] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, k3b burns data/music to cd/dvds
[04:28] <Darkkish> hmm
[04:28] <Darkkish> now on my page
[04:28] <Telroth|School> it is one of *the* best burning utilities
[04:28] <Darkkish> it says flash still isn't installed
[04:28] <timi> !scanner
[04:28] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[04:28] <AWOSDev> Well, um, dd got 16 more records (and it only took ~200 seconds)
[04:28] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, what version of flash is the one on your page?
[04:28] <NthDegree> Darkkish: grab it of the adobe site
[04:28] <AWOSDev> K3B it is!
[04:28] <Telroth|School> remember linux only has flash 7
[04:29] <Telroth|School> flash 8 and flash 9 files don't work
[04:29] <Darkkish> Telroth|School, i think it might be 9 -_-
[04:29] <NthDegree> they'll get around to fixing that
[04:29] <Darkkish> gaj;lrkgja;rlkj :(
[04:29] <Darkkish> get around too it
[04:29] <Darkkish> kinda like google getting around to moving thier stuff out of beta
[04:30] <AWOSDev> LOL why doesn't Google ever unbeta anything anyway?
[04:30] <NthDegree> then they aren't liable
[04:30] <AWOSDev> Ha that's almost funny.
[04:30] <NthDegree> they need not give tech support for anything marked BETA either
[04:30] <AWOSDev> K3b has detected your SONY DRU-710A and has set the burning speed to 48x automatically.
[04:31] <AWOSDev> COOOOOOOL!  It actually knows what it's doing!  That's a first with my CD-R and Linux experience.
[04:31] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, you mean XP?
[04:31] <NthDegree> no
[04:31] <NthDegree> XD :p
[04:31] <Darkkish> XD = Haha
[04:31] <Darkkish> like... >.<
[04:31] <Darkkish> but with a smiley
[04:31] <AWOSDev> Oh, I see it's kind of like a smiley
[04:31] <Telroth|School> NthDegree, they will? because i'd think they'd have upgrade linux to 8 after windows, not upgrade windows to 9
[04:32] <Telroth|School> brb
[04:32] <Darkkish> i don't care what people say
[04:32] <Darkkish> the internet runs better in XP
[04:32] <Darkkish> -_-
[04:33] <AWOSDev> Do I want 'normal copy' or 'clone copy'?
[04:33] <NthDegree> ZOMG how can you say that
[04:33] <AWOSDev> Better, what's the difference?
[04:33] <DaveQB> good Q AWOSDev
[04:33] <NthDegree> AWOSDev to do a normal copy, but from CD to Image File
[04:33] <DaveQB> i have always wondered this
[04:34] <NthDegree> DaveQB: I think Clone Copy is like CloneCD, for doing stuff that needs a near-exact copy
[04:34] <Darkkish> AWOSDev, it works right
[04:34] <AWOSDev> Uh, where's the 'CD to Image File' button?
[04:34] <NthDegree> 1 sec
[04:34] <AWOSDev> nvm
[04:34] <Darkkish> AWOSDev, firefox works better in MS than linux, it doesn't lag because of transperency
[04:34] <DaveQB> NthDegree so normal copy is not iso ?
[04:34] <AWOSDev> I found it
[04:35] <DaveQB> I have notice a 'normal copy' of an audio CD extracts the tracks rather then make an iso
[04:35] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, I was asking the difference between normal and clone, not MS and Linux
[04:35] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev,
[04:35] <Telroth|School> normal copy is like copy & paste
[04:35] <Darkkish> er
[04:35] <Telroth|School> clone copy does a bit-for-bit copy of the disk
[04:35] <Darkkish> that was ment for NthDegree
[04:35] <NthDegree> DaveQB: both modes are iso, but Clone Copy performs an "exact" copy, with massive ECC or anything
[04:35] <Telroth|School> preserving boot loaders and such
[04:35] <DaveQB> hmmmmm
[04:35] <Telroth|School> which is required for linux live-cds and such
[04:35] <NthDegree> Darkkish: uh you're using firefox?
[04:36] <DaveQB> Telroth|School thats somewhat how i thought
[04:36] <NthDegree> Darkkish:  using firefox in KDE is stupid, when konqueror works much better in KDE
[04:36] <AWOSDev> Ugh *every* time I run Firefox I have to restart to get all the memory and handles back
[04:36] <AWOSDev> Yuck!
[04:36] <Darkkish> -_-
[04:36] <Darkkish> wierd
[04:36] <AWOSDev> Now I Konquer the Internet :)
[04:36] <Darkkish> ii'll try konq for a while
[04:36] <Telroth|School> NthDegree, not true. Firefox has much better support of standards than konq
[04:37] <NthDegree> Darkkish: and go on some crack sites that try to exploit your PC too
[04:37] <AWOSDev> I only use Firefox for Flash pages, and I hate Flash so...
[04:37] <Telroth|School> if i need to use gmail i have to load up firefox
[04:37] <Darkkish> NthDegree, thats what noscript is for
[04:37] <NthDegree> then you'll see why it's better on linux
[04:37] <timi> does anyone know how to get a hp printer/scanner to work
[04:37] <NthDegree> Darkkish: noscript doesn't protect you from everything
[04:37] <Telroth|School> timi, have you tried all the drivers?
[04:37] <AWOSDev> timi, uh, the HP Linux Imaging and Printing System?
[04:37] <timi> telroth
[04:37] <timi> yeah i have the printer working
[04:37] <Telroth|School> ok
[04:37] <Darkkish> NthDegree, i'm 100% spyware and virus free, on both of my OS
[04:37] <Telroth|School> just need scannernow?
[04:38] <Telroth|School> * scanner
[04:38] <timi> and for the scanner i need to get hpoj
[04:38] <timi> which i got from adept
[04:38] <DaveQB> are there any scanner/printer/copy all-in-ones that work in Linux ?
[04:38] <NthDegree> Darkkish: that is impossible considering MS recently put spyware in XP
[04:38] <timi> now i dont know how to open hpoj or w/e
[04:38] <Darkkish> it doesn't have spyware from other companies -_-
[04:38] <NthDegree> Darkkish: alias:  Genuine Advantage Notification
[04:38] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, no way!  I didn't hear about that.
[04:38] <Darkkish> yeah yeah yeah
[04:38] <NthDegree> read up on it
[04:38] <Darkkish> i have
[04:38] <Darkkish> its stupid i agree
[04:39] <AWOSDev> Never heard of it.
[04:39] <NthDegree> it contacts MS every time you go on control panel or tries to
[04:39] <timi> for some resaon the descripitns in adept keep changine
[04:39] <AWOSDev> I use Windows XP on only one computer, my laptop, and only then it's literally once or twice a month, to play a Windows game.
[04:39] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: if you have a pirated XP with that on it gives a stupid prompt every 15 minutes and does other things
[04:39] <Darkkish> wow konq works<PHONE_NUMBER>0000 times better than FF in this
[04:39] <Darkkish> hmm
[04:39] <Darkkish> how well does FF work on gnome?
[04:39] <NeoSaki|Purgator> later guys, work calls
[04:39] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, don't even ask.
[04:40] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, same as in kde
[04:40] <NthDegree> Darkkish: it works a little better but not as well as Konq
[04:40] <AWOSDev> Bye NeoSaki!
[04:40] <Darkkish> boring
[04:40] <Darkkish> i like FF in windows
[04:40] <NthDegree> Darkkish: ephiphany is good in GNOME
[04:40] <Darkkish> it = the best browser
[04:40] <timi> AWOSdev wht is the hp thing your talking about
[04:40] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, I could tell you stories about Gnome that you wouldn't believe.
[04:40] <AWOSDev> timi,
[04:40] <Darkkish> mostly because of its customizability
[04:40] <AWOSDev> !hplip
[04:40] <ubotu> hplip: HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP). In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.7-4ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 450 kB, installed size 1980 kB
[04:40] <Darkkish> like what AWOSDev
[04:40] <NthDegree> Darkkish: I disagree there since it has more vulnerabilities than other browsers in Windows
[04:40] <timi> awas dev i have that'
[04:40] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, even on my 1.6GHz / 512MB RAM it runs amazingly slow.
[04:40] <Telroth|School> timi, you're already probably using hplips for printing
[04:41] <timi> is ther a gui for it
[04:41] <Darkkish> in windows?
[04:41] <NthDegree> Darkkish: Opera is the ONLY fully patched browser in Windows
[04:41] <Darkkish> meh]
[04:41] <Darkkish> i dislike opera
[04:41] <NthDegree> Hobbsee :-D
[04:41] <Telroth|School> NthDegree, ff > opera
[04:41] <Darkkish> i like firefox
[04:41] <Darkkish> you won't change my mind :(
[04:41] <Telroth|School> (in windows)
[04:41] <AWOSDev> timi, have you tried using Kooka?
[04:41] <timi> yeah it doesnt even let me select a scanner
[04:41] <AWOSDev> Opera's not bad, but it's kind of slow (and sucky, IMHO)
[04:41] <Darkkish> same
[04:41] <Darkkish> like  i said
[04:41] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, no in GNOME
[04:41] <Darkkish> oh
[04:41] <Darkkish> well
[04:42] <Darkkish> same as in windows really
[04:42] <Darkkish> anyways i like the customizability of FF
[04:42] <timi> i have downloaded hplip, hpoj , hpoj xo panel- which is supposed to let u see the the lcd of the printer but i dont no how to pen it
[04:42] <Darkkish> you can make it more secure and a nicer experience to use with all of the extensions
[04:42] <DaveQB> timi do you have an all-in-one thats Linux compatible ?
[04:42] <Darkkish> like adblock plus
[04:42] <Darkkish> and fliterset.g.updater
[04:42] <timi> DaveQB according to the wiki yes
[04:42] <AWOSDev> Darkkish, Windows FLIES compared to Gnome.
[04:42] <DaveQB> timi  URL ?
[04:42] <timi> i downloaded wht i needed from adept but  i dont know how to pen it
[04:42] <AWOSDev> I stand by KDE.
[04:43] <timi> !scanner
[04:43] <DaveQB> timi  kubuntu wiki ??
[04:43] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[04:43] <Darkkish> KDE is pretty fast
[04:43] <Darkkish> wow myspace sucks
[04:43] <Telroth|School> kde flies
[04:43] <DaveQB> timi cheers
[04:43] <Search4Lancer> how can I change my AIM info in Kopete?   Retrying from sector 768.
[04:45] <DaveQB> kopete does have some short comings to Gaim, but intergrates well
[04:45] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, like profile?
[04:45] <DaveQB> and looks prettier :)
[04:45] <NthDegree> Search4Lancer: like Global Profie
[04:45] <NthDegree> Profile*
[04:45] <Search4Lancer> yes..... but for AIM it's called info
[04:45] <Telroth|School> DaveQB, gaim doesn't have a front-end to skype ;)
[04:45] <timi> can someone help me open a program i just downloaded
[04:45] <timi> from adept
[04:45] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, you have to edit that on aim i think
[04:46] <DaveQB> Telroth|School  do tell ......
[04:46] <AWOSDev> You know, I've even gone over to plain #Ubuntu and converted a couple of people to Kubuntu.  :)
[04:46] <DaveQB> timi  what was it ?
[04:46] <AWOSDev> I love KDE.
[04:46] <Telroth|School> timi, which <programname>
[04:46] <DaveQB> timi  not in Kmenu ?
[04:46] <timi> hpoj-xojpanel
[04:46] <DaveQB> AWOSDev  really ?? lol
[04:46] <Telroth|School> that doesn't work when typed in command line?
[04:46] <AWOSDev> Yep
[04:46] <DaveQB> timi  tried hpoj<TAB> ?
[04:46] <AWOSDev> He wanted panel transparency and GNOME didn't offer that.
[04:46] <Darkkish> gaim looks prettier than kopete IMO and its easier to use
[04:46] <Search4Lancer> if Kopete wasn't so damn stupid as to not let me have myself on my contact list, I could actually see if I even have any info...
[04:47] <DaveQB> AWOSDev  love ya work ;)
[04:47] <timi> DaveQB
[04:47] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, why do you need to be on your own contact list?
[04:47] <AWOSDev> :)
[04:47] <timi> what is hpoj<Tab>
[04:47] <Telroth|School> i can see this particular instance
[04:47] <timi> is that for konsole?
[04:47] <Telroth|School> but overall it's not effective
[04:47] <Telroth|School> timi, yes
[04:47] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: are you a KDE developer by any chance?
[04:47] <Telroth|School> but <TAB> is the tab key
[04:47] <AWOSDev> Not even close.
[04:47] <DaveQB> what they said ^ :)
[04:47] <DaveQB> timi
[04:48] <timi> syntax erra is wht it said
[04:48] <Telroth|School> Darkkish, gaim looks like crap, because it's gtk
[04:48] <NthDegree> GNOME Developer telling the truth? XD
[04:48] <Telroth|School> it does have a few extra features
[04:48] <AWOSDev> I have made, uh, one Linux app, and it segfaulted.
[04:48] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, LOL!
[04:48] <NthDegree> dd
[04:48] <NthDegree> ?
[04:48] <Search4Lancer> Telroth|School, why not? I've had myself on my contact list for years.... it's just convenient. Anyway, I just went to AIM.com, and apparently they have a version for Linux? anyone try that before, know how it is?
[04:48] <NthDegree> because dd segfaults after it does it's job it's funny :)
[04:48] <timi>  hpoj<Tab>
[04:48] <timi> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[04:48] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, i haven't tried it, but i hate individual clients
[04:48] <DaveQB> timi  you hit the TAB key ?
[04:48] <DaveQB> timi  not enter
[04:49] <AWOSDev> NthDegree, it was a program to read IDE information from the hard drive.  I still don't know why I can't inb.
[04:49] <NthDegree> Search4Lancer: unless you are crazy and want to make linux insecure
[04:49] <Telroth|School> Search4Lancer, i'd end up with about 6 im clients, each loaded with adware which bogs down my system and eats my memory
[04:49] <NthDegree> Search4Lancer: AIM/MSN/Yahoo all contain adware
[04:49] <timi> Dave a whole bunch of stuff came up
[04:49] <DaveQB> anyone used the Yahoo client ?
[04:49] <DaveQB> timi  anything like what your after ?
[04:50] <Darkkish> lol i can't install the yahoo client on my windows computer
[04:50] <Darkkish> er
[04:50] <Darkkish> OS
[04:50] <Darkkish> it looks like it works
[04:50] <Darkkish> but the moment you right click it shuts off with no warning
[04:50] <Darkkish> only does it on this comp
[04:50] <Darkkish> not on others
[04:50] <timi> no
[04:50] <DaveQB> yahoo alient on Linux i mean
[04:50] <timi> i wonder why adpet just doesnt bput things in menu
[04:50] <AWOSDev> timi, Have you tried 'whereis hpoj-xojpanel'?
[04:50] <DaveQB> timi dpkg -L <packagename>
[04:50] <timi> no letme try athat
[04:51] <AWOSDev> Fatal error reading sector 810.
[04:51] <DaveQB> timi  that will list all its files, look for files in a bin file or sbin even
[04:51] <timi> it listed no files
[04:51] <timi> i just got hpoj-xojpanel:
[04:51] <DaveQB> timi wrong package name then
[04:51] <AWOSDev> timi, actually, try sudo dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin
[04:51] <DaveQB> AWOSDev  i was working up to that ;)
[04:52] <AWOSDev> Yeah but you didn't 'sudo'
[04:52] <DaveQB> I think timi  will have trouble with the packagename
[04:52] <DaveQB> oh yeah
[04:52] <AWOSDev> No, the package name really is 'hpoj-xojpanel'
[04:52] <DaveQB> i use root, i forgot to add that
[04:52] <DaveQB> oh ok
[04:52] <AWOSDev> I just apt-cached search'ed for it
[04:52] <AWOSDev> timi: sudo dpkg -L hpoj-xojpanel | grep bin
[04:52] <DaveQB> oh okee, i was loggin into to home to try myself actually
[04:53] <AWOSDev> Retrying from Sector 832.
[04:53] <AWOSDev> You know, I think this disc is dunzo.
[04:53] <timi> ok its in usr/bin/xojpanel
[04:53] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, how big is it?
[04:53] <timi> i can just put that into run no?
[04:53] <DaveQB> timi  so run xojpanel
[04:53] <AWOSDev> Uh, ~623MB?
[04:53] <Telroth|School> timi, type "xojpanel"
[04:54] <DaveQB> or even smply xojp<TAB>
[04:54] <DaveQB> that should complete it for you
[04:54] <AWOSDev> No no no no more tabs!
[04:54] <DaveQB> lol
[04:54] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, bah, that's not worth the effort :P
 <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB>
[04:54] <DaveQB> I tab everything
 <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB> <TAB>
[04:54] <Telroth|School> :P
[04:54] <AWOSDev> I type everything by hand
[04:54] <AWOSDev> even IRC nicks
[04:54] <Telroth|School> ctrl+tab, alt+tab...
[04:54] <timi> meh i ran it but nothing happened
[04:54] <Telroth|School> see
[04:55] <AWOSDev> Now I *DO* use Alt+Tab
[04:55] <DaveQB> i am a bad speller :)
[04:55] <Telroth|School> it's people like appolusionist that make me tab
[04:55] <Telroth|School> or BluDog_Anchorite
[04:55] <AWOSDev> :P
[04:55] <AWOSDev> ROFl
[04:55] <timi> ran it in console i got all this failed to open device junk
[04:55] <Telroth|School> or MaterMaravillae
[04:55] <Telroth|School> noaXess_kubuntu even
[04:55] <AWOSDev> timi, it's still loading, wait a minute
[04:55] <Telroth|School> timi, use sudo
[04:56] <AWOSDev> Ignoring read error in sector 833.
[04:56] <BluDog_Anchorite> uh, did someone need something ?
[04:56] <Telroth|School> oh
[04:56] <Telroth|School> sorry BluDog_Anchorite
[04:56] <DaveQB> well my lunch break is up.....
[04:56] <AWOSDev> :P
[04:56] <DaveQB> lol  I was waiting for a bunch of people to wake up
[04:56] <timi> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[04:56] <AWOSDev> timi, that's normal
[04:56] <AWOSDev> that happens on my computer *all* the time
[04:56] <DaveQB> i get that error all the time, i have no idea
[04:56] <Erich-K> Hello
[04:56] <AWOSDev> I'm thinking it's almost *supposed* to do that
[04:56] <DaveQB> lol
[04:56] <Telroth|School> BluDog_Anchorite, AWOSDev was saying he types iRC nicks in by hand, i was using you as a reason i use tab completion ;)
[04:57] <timi> true but norammly something opens
[04:57] <DaveQB> and if it doesnt AWOSDev  ? you'd be  woried ?
[04:57] <timi> ailed to open device
[04:57] <timi> Failed to open device ""!
[04:57] <AWOSDev> Yeah, I'd probably reconfigure X :P
[04:57] <abattoir> timi, DaveQB, AWOSDev: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=94a045f7057cbba9b48514dbf396d626&topic=581;prev_next=next
[04:57] <Erich-K> When there is a txt file on my desktop, the icon for it is a preview of the text, even if i set an icon, it shows the example. Any way to turn that off?
[04:57] <AWOSDev> Are you calling us dummies?
[04:57] <AWOSDev> :)
[04:57] <abattoir> heh
[04:58] <AWOSDev> Oh, Telroth|School, you were asking how big my disc is.  It's ~620MB
[04:58] <DaveQB> Erich-K Konqueror has a umm animate button that you can try, might effect the desktop
[04:58] <Telroth|School> Erich-K, give me a moment
[04:58] <timi> abbatoir will that make a difference to whether or not the program runs
[04:58] <Telroth|School> Erich-K, i know you can disable it for all of a specific file type
[04:58] <Telroth|School> is it just one file or all of a filetype ?
[04:59] <Erich-K> all txt files
[04:59] <Telroth|School> Erich-K,
[04:59] <abattoir> timi: nope.. it has no effect at all, just an unnecessary output which misleads people
[05:00] <Telroth|School> Erich-K, kcontrol -> desktop -> behavior -> file icons tab -> uncheck "Text Files" -> apply -> close kcontrol
[05:00] <AWOSDev> Telroth|School, why did you want to know how big my disc is?
[05:00] <AWOSDev> Telroth|School does it really make that much of a difference?
[05:00] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, i wanted to know if it was worth saving if it had a bad sector
[05:00] <Telroth|School> :P
[05:00] <Erich-K> Telroth|School: Ahh, that's it. Thanks alot :)
[05:00] <timi> abbatoir ic so it would help explain why my program isnt opening then would it
[05:00] <AWOSDev> Error @ sector 833
[05:01] <Telroth|School> yw Erich-K
[05:01] <AWOSDev> Telroth|School, it's a commercial disc and I don't want to pay another $30-$50 for a new one.
[05:01] <Telroth|School> timi, it wouldn't
[05:01] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, oh
[05:01] <abattoir> timi: no as i said it has nothing to do with your program not opening
[05:01] <abattoir> timi: which program?
[05:01] <AWOSDev> Dr_Willis!  The dd master!
[05:01] <Telroth|School> AWOSDev, i thought you were talking about a harddrive
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> Moo
[05:02] <timi> hpoj-xojpanel
[05:02] <Telroth|School> gnight all
[05:03] <AWOSDev> Dr_Willis, I have a bad CD and was wondering if dd can recover it.
[05:04] <abattoir> timi: what command did you use to open it? are there any other messages output?
[05:04] <AWOSDev> K3b reports 'unrecoverable' errors for sectors 810,833,858, and it keeps counting
[05:04] <AWOSDev> it's a commercial CD (for SimCity 4 Deluxe)
[05:04] <AWOSDev> So rather than paying $50 for a new one, is there *any* way to recover the data?
[05:04] <timi> abbattoir: i used xojpanel
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev,  you mean scratches on it?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: you might be able to get some files off it but parts of it will be lost forever.
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> $50?    you got ripped off.
[05:05] <AWOSDev> Yes, lots of scratches from what I believe is my Laptop's CD drive
[05:05] <timi> and besides the to error is says failed to opend device twice
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> gee.. how about getting a torrent of it :P and finding a no-cd crack
[05:05] <timi> the second time i think its failed to open device!!
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> I read on /. that using hair gel to "polish" the scratches might work.
[05:05] <AWOSDev> No, I said it would be $50 *NOW*
[05:05] <Tonren> Guys, every time I install kubuntu-desktop it clobbers GNOME.  I can't login anymore and I have to drop into TTY1 to uninstall kubuntu-desktop to be able to login again
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> and an even bigger rip off. :P
[05:05] <AWOSDev> It was $35 on sale when I got it for Xmas...
[05:05] <abattoir> even Brasso works :)
[05:05] <Telroth|Sleep> Tonren, try sudo apt-get install gnome kubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <jpiccolo> i run kubuntu and its fine
[05:06] <jpiccolo> though i dont have gnome installed
[05:06] <AWOSDev> Hair gel?!
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: yeah.
[05:06] <Tonren> Telroth|Sleep: I don't get it... don't I already have GNOME, or is it a metapackage?
[05:06] <AWOSDev> Well I guess the disc is already dead, it won't hurt it
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> AWOSDev: it's clear and has the right viscosity to stay where you put it.
[05:06] <intelikey> Tonren try not installing kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu-desktop.   try kde insted
[05:06] <Telroth|Sleep> Tonren, that tells apt-get to resolve packages so both can be installed at once
[05:06] <AWOSDev> Am I IIRCing that if you like, move or tilt a laptop while it's reading the disc it could scratch it?
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev,  or better.. go buy one of those cd polisher machines.
[05:07] <AWOSDev> Oops, error at 861.
[05:07] <Darkkish> that was odd
[05:07] <Darkkish> anyways as i was saying
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev,  shouldent.. the laptop drive has little 'detents' that hold the cd in
[05:07] <Telroth|Sleep> AWOSDev, what disk is it?
[05:07] <Darkkish> my dads friend jsut called
[05:08] <AWOSDev> SimCity 4 Deluxe
[05:08] <Darkkish> and apernently got a shitload of spyware on his windows system
[05:08] <Darkkish> i mean TONS
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> hair-gel for scratched CD's/DVD's:       http://www.om3ga.co.uk/2006/07/27/scratched-cds-no-problem/
[05:08] <timi> does anybody in here use and hp printer/scanner and want to tell me how they got  it or any of the hp tools from adept to open/work
[05:08] <Telroth|Sleep> AWOSDev, as long as you legitmately bought the CD, i'll suggest bittorrent
[05:08] <AWOSDev> I use an HP printer but not scanner
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3436100/Simcity_4_Deluxe
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:08] <Telroth|Sleep> :)
[05:08] <actinic> sudo nvidia-xconfig or sudo nvidia-glx-config enable <--- which one to enable nvidia driver?
[05:09] <AWOSDev> I'd kind of like to stear clear of the, um, undesireables
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> and i always reccomend the no-cd cracks
[05:09] <Telroth|Sleep> either, though i've tested first
[05:09] <Telroth|Sleep> AWOSDev, you own a copy, i don't really count it as undesireable ;)
[05:09] <Tonren> intelikey: So instead of aptitude install kubuntu-desktop, just aptitude install kde?
[05:09] <intelikey> timi hps 750 here.   had to run kde as root to set it up tho.
[05:09] <Telroth|Sleep> Tonren, yes
[05:09] <intelikey> Tonren yes
[05:09] <Tonren> Also, does anyone know how to get the Ubuntu bootup/shutdown artwork back after installing/uninstalling kubuntu-desktop?
[05:10] <timi> err i c
[05:10] <timi> intelikey do you use hplip or anything hpoj
[05:10] <timi> any kind of gui for the printer scanner
[05:10] <intelikey> hpoj  yes
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> dare i point out that amazon.com has simcity4 deluze for  $20
[05:10] <timi> intelikey how do you open hpoj
[05:11] <timi> because for some reason i cant open hpoj i have it downloaded and everything it jsut does seem to open/work
[05:11] <intelikey> system > printing > hps-750
[05:11] <AWOSDev> That's funny
[05:11] <earthsound> what's the command to run to refresh the k menu after installing a package?
[05:11] <AWOSDev> LeejunFan, that link is very funny
[05:12] <AWOSDev> "I rubbed it in, and it sort of worked. The XBox loaded the CD, and played it, but it was really crackly and noisy.
[05:12] <timi> intelikey: system settings?
[05:12] <intelikey> no system   menu
[05:12] <AWOSDev> earthsound, there is no command to refresh like Windows.  It automatically refreshes.  If it isn't in there, you need to add it yourself.
[05:12] <timi> intelikey its not in the system menu
[05:13] <earthsound> AWOSDev: no, I'm sure there is a command to do it, I just forgot what it was :|
[05:13] <LeeJunFan> earthsound: actually there is - kbuildsycoca
[05:13] <timi> could that be my problem
[05:13] <intelikey> i'd have to go to the shop to look at that, timi but i'm pretty sure that's where it is on that box.
[05:13] <earthsound> LeeJunFan: thanks. you'd think that after using it so much that I'd know it by now
[05:13] <intelikey> timi could be.
[05:14] <omar> How everybody
[05:14] <omar> hello
[05:14] <omar> guys can I ask you a quest?
[05:14] <AWOSDev> Yeah, go ahead.
[05:14] <intelikey> timi  sudo update-menu*   and see if you can find it.
[05:14] <omar> look, I have a P4 128 RAM, and my openoffice is too slow
[05:14] <omar> really
[05:15] <Kiongku_> hey anyone knows how to play .dat video files?
[05:15] <AWOSDev> Omar, can I ask you a Q?
[05:15] <omar> just use open with
[05:15] <omar> in the menu
[05:15] <omar> yes sure
[05:15] <AWOSDev> Omar, what is a P4 doing with only 128MB RAM?
[05:15] <omar> pentum
[05:15] <omar> pentium IV
[05:15] <Kiongku_> hmm
[05:15] <AWOSDev> Go upgrade immediately!  A P4 should have bare minimum 512MB.
[05:15] <intelikey> AWOSDev why not ?
[05:16] <timi> !scanners
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scanners - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <AWOSDev> Yes Omar I know what a P4 is
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> omar: 128M of ram is pretty light to use with KDE and openoffice together.
[05:16] <timi> !scanner
[05:16] <jmichaelx> earlier on some P4 boxes came with only 128MB
[05:16] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[05:16] <omar> look , Microsoft office, was pretty fast, I love Linux but my open office is very very slow
[05:16] <intelikey> AWOSDev "A P4 should have bare minimum 512MB."   i call bs.
[05:16] <AWOSDev> I've never seen a *genuine* P4 with only 128MB.  Sure a Celeron maybe but not a genuine P4.
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> You are the first person that ive seen say "microsoft office, and fast" together. :P
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> omar: sad to say openoffice is slower, that's all there is to it, and it's going to be slower than office, espcially at startup time.
[05:17] <omar> he he
[05:17] <omar> I mean faster than openoffice now, pls what to do
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use abiword for 99% of my wordprocessing needs
[05:17] <actinic> sudo nvidia-xconfig or sudo nvidia-glx-config enable <--- which one to enable nvidia driver?
[05:17] <AWOSDev> You're wasting the investment in a P4 by only having 128MB, intelikey
[05:17] <earthsound> if you have little RAM, look at other tools besides oo
[05:17] <AWOSDev> Just go grab a Celeron or P2 even
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> there was that  precache or somthing  people were messing with  a year or 2 ago.. :P
[05:17] <omar> look that's why I started talking about my PC, I think that's the problem
[05:18] <jmichaelx> i was probably wrong about that... a lot of P4s shipped with 256MB, not 128
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> Dr_Willis: yeah, but you have to have enough ram to precache it :)
[05:18] <AWOSDev> To be fully honest I use VI for 99% of my word processing needs :)
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> LeeJunFan,  this did somthing with the libs.. not the ram
[05:18] <Kiongku_> just add ram ...
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> LeeJunFan,  i forget what it was called..  but it was supposed to help.
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> Dr_Willis: ah, you mean prelinking
[05:18] <omar> look i wanna know if I can do somthing
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> thats it. :P
[05:18] <earthsound> omar: have you tried KWord?
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> and i alwo heard it can break things. :P
[05:18] <omar> to make my oppenoffice faster
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> Dr_Willis: yeah, I prelinked a bunch of stuff just today.
[05:19] <AWOSDev> Omar, the only thing you can do is buy more RMA.
[05:19] <AWOSDev> *RAM
[05:19] <earthsound> omar: oo is a memory hog; 128MB is not enough to please it
[05:19] <jmichaelx> staples here in town had 256MB SDRAM sticks on sale recently for $29 (after $10 mail-in)
[05:19] <omar> ok , thank you very much
[05:19] <AWOSDev> Oooooooohhh was that PC133?
[05:19] <jmichaelx> 100/133
[05:19] <jmichaelx> yup
[05:19] <omar> I heard about a memory trick for it
[05:19] <AWOSDev> Staples FTW!
[05:20] <earthsound> omar: which components of Open Office do you use most?
[05:20] <omar> BUt I am in Peru, you know shipping is gonna be like 30 bucks more
[05:20] <omar> calc
[05:20] <AWOSDev> I have ~4 computers that need 100 or 133 memory.  I need all in all about 2-3GB for all of them together.
[05:20] <Erich-K> How can i change the shortcut text color?
[05:21] <jpiccolo> anyone here running Cedega?
[05:21] <intelikey> AWOSDev i know oo is a ram hog  but really,  a p4 or k8 or what ever can use 128m better than a p-duce   what's your deal with ram anyway.  i run kde on ubuntu  in a box with a p1 100mhz and 64m ram with no swap.     give me a break!  blah should have minimun of....    sheeze
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> jpiccolo,  i do at times.
[05:21] <jmichaelx> AWOSDev: if you have a staples near you, you should ask them. they had 128MB sticks for $19 (after rebate)
[05:22] <jpiccolo> Dr_Willis, what kernel are you running, and video card?
[05:22] <omar> Calc and presentation, earthsound
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> jpiccolo,  the one thats with ubuntu dapper.. and a nvidia 6800
[05:22] <jmichaelx> i do tend to agree with intelikey
[05:22] <jpiccolo> Dr_Willis, 2.6.15-26-386 ?
[05:23] <earthsound> omar: have you tried Kspread and KPresenter?
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> Linux amd64 2.6.15-26-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 03:13:28 UTC
[05:23] <omar> no yet, I am gonna try,
[05:24] <omar> thenk you, I will let you know
[05:24] <omar> are they here in the List of kubuntu
[05:24] <AWOSDev> A P1/100 with 64M of RAM?  I have that exact machine, I can get Kubuntu on it?!
[05:24] <Erich-K> How can i change the shortcut text color?
[05:24] <jpiccolo> ok kinda the same, i have an nvidia card too, glxgears shows lots of frames, but Cedega OpenGL test fails
[05:24] <AWOSDev> Cool I'll have to try that sometime.
[05:25] <earthsound> part of KOffice...which has a much smaller memory footprint than open office
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> jpiccolo,  you did install the nvidia drivers?
[05:25] <intelikey> AWOSDev no not kubuntu  but ubuntu server and add kde
[05:25] <timi> if something is a qt program
[05:25] <jpiccolo> yeah
[05:25] <jmichaelx> AWOSDev: something like slax popcorn would run on it
[05:25] <timi> then do i need qt designeer installed as well?
[05:25] <abattoir> timi: no
[05:26] <abattoir> timi: its a tool for developers
[05:26] <abattoir> timi: you dont need it unless you plan to write qt stuff...
[05:26] <timi> ok wht do i need to make a qt program run?
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> slax is handy
[05:26] <abattoir> timi: you already have all the stuff
[05:26] <abattoir> timi: kde is a qt-based distro...
[05:26] <jpiccolo> GL_RENDERER   = GeForce 7900 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[05:26] <intelikey> jmichaelx i haven't found a distro yet i could not run on that p1  but you do have to trim some of the fat off of most of them
[05:26] <timi> ok
[05:27] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i am with you on that.... and i have a real affinity for those old boxes, too :-D
[05:27] <intelikey> :)
[05:27] <pibarnas> Could anyone install kubuntu on a amd64, samsung sata hdd?
[05:28] <jpiccolo> NVIDIA 87.62 - is that the latest?
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> pibarnas,  you should be able to.. the sata chipset on the mb may be an issue if having problems
[05:29] <pibarnas> I think it's my case...
[05:29] <jmichaelx> i am using damn small linux-not right now... the latest RC, and i really like it. will be nice for older machines, especially a few more apps are added to the dsl-n repo
[05:30] <intelikey> jmichaelx yeah dsl is a good starter pack  i generally end up turning it into debian tho
[05:30] <jmichaelx> lol
[05:31] <jmichaelx> i love loading into ram. so awesome
[05:32] <intelikey> dsl on a mini-cdrom in the shirt pocket   :)
[05:32] <jmichaelx> definitely
[05:32] <intelikey> never without linux
[05:33] <jmichaelx> i like DSL on usb sticks , too... although i usually use DSL on machines that do not have USB, so i stcik with the mini cd
[05:35] <intelikey> perms got changed on my base dirs...   if that rascal has been here again and didn't leave me a notice....    dad blamed hackers...
[05:37] <intelikey> hmmm looks like it.   changed my timezone too
[05:37] <timi> intelikey under add remove program the printer option was ther and said it was installed but its not on the menu
[05:37] <timi> how do i get it on the menu
[05:38] <intelikey> timi i don't know i never had that issue.   maybe some one else could help you there.
[05:39] <Creedence> hey everyone
[05:40] <NthDegree> Creedence: :)
[05:40] <Creedence> sup?
[05:40] <NthDegree> nm, just trying to get encryption sorted out
[05:40] <Creedence> ahh
[05:41] <NthDegree> it's really annoying when you have to sort out two distro releases
[05:41] <Creedence> I gotta say. I am just coming over for a visit. I am new to Kubuntu. This has to be my 10th install over the past year but it's looking like I finally got it sorted out :)
[05:41] <Creedence> I like to come here and talk it up. I think I am converted :)
[05:42] <NthDegree> lol repeat after me "MS == Sinning" xD
[05:42] <AWOSDev> Well the hair gel, uh, it made error come later...
[05:42] <Creedence> Nth, hahaha
[05:42] <AWOSDev> But still very much error.
[05:42] <AWOSDev> I think I will download it after all.
[05:42] <Creedence> I work all day with XP and it's getting me more and more disinterested
[05:42] <Creedence> my geek-o-meter was running way down :P
[05:43] <NthDegree> i got fed up with phoning india every few weeks to get activation codes
[05:43] <AWOSDev> I got fed up with phoning India period.
[05:43] <AWOSDev> :)
[05:44] <Creedence> I don't even have to bother with that. I have MSDN... but I am fed up. I also like the idea of GPL and the ethics of the Open Source community
[05:44] <AWOSDev> I had MSDN
[05:44] <Creedence> AWOSDev..., don't buy a dell then ...
[05:44] <AWOSDev> but didn't want to pay almost $10K to renew it :O
[05:44] <Creedence> I am lucky?
[05:44] <Creedence> I don't pay, the company does
[05:45] <AWOSDev> Yeah, it's nearly $10K now
[05:45] <AWOSDev> I got a one year off of eBay for $13.00 though :)
[05:45] <Creedence> wow that's a lot
[05:45] <NthDegree> Creedence: GPL software is good for the programmer and good for the community :-)
[05:46] <AWOSDev> Okay guys, can you help me with a KDE-related problem?
[05:46] <NthDegree> sure
[05:46] <Creedence> teehee
[05:46] <intelikey> "good for the programmer"  how ?   it doesn't pay
[05:46] <Creedence> I can try :)
[05:46] <AWOSDev> I'm trying to download the thingy for the disc that's scratched
[05:46] <AWOSDev> it's a torrent
[05:46] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: KTorrent
[05:46] <AWOSDev> But when it tries to open the file it comes up KTorrent caught SIGABRT (signal 6)
[05:46] <Creedence> can't miss with Ktorrnet, that was stupid easy
[05:46] <NthDegree> uh that's b0rked
[05:46] <omar> have somebody knows the line to download and install unrar
[05:47] <Creedence> sorry
[05:47] <abattoir> !info unrar
[05:47] <Creedence> I meant to set up, that could have been read wrong :P
[05:47] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[05:47] <AWOSDev> omar, sudo apt-get install unrar
[05:47] <NthDegree> omar, sudo apt-get install unrar
[05:47] <abattoir> omar: its in multiverse, so you need to enable that first
[05:47] <abattoir> !multiverse
[05:47] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:47] <omar> unable?
[05:47] <AWOSDev> Mmm
[05:47] <abattoir> omar: ^^^if you havent enabled it already
[05:47] <AWOSDev> !easysource
[05:47] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:48] <intelikey> !repos
[05:48] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:48] <abattoir> omar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu specifically
[05:48] <AWOSDev> Creedence, can you help me with the crashing part?
[05:48] <Creedence> I beleive you can also use automatix to install archivers no?
[05:48] <Hawkwind> Ickkkkkk @ automatrix
[05:48] <AWOSDev> Or can you recommend another torrent thingy?
[05:48] <abattoir> Hawkwind: maybe its time to change ubotu's response to !repos/multiverse etc. ?
[05:48] <abattoir> Hawkwind: and point it to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:48] <intelikey> Hawkwind not me.  give me the universe... but not the world.
[05:49] <Creedence> AWOSDev, you can try Azureus... java based so you need java jre but it works nice too
[05:49] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Paste me exactly what you want for the fact in the other channel and I'll change it
[05:49] <IceKnight> Does anyone know how to make Konversation not launch at login?
[05:49] <AWOSDev> E: Couldn't find package jre
[05:50] <AWOSDev> E: Couldn't find package java
[05:50] <Hawkwind> !java
[05:50] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[05:50] <intelikey> IceKnight services
[05:50] <Hawkwind> AWOSDev: ^^^^^^^^
[05:50] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: not on apt-get
[05:50] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: GO ON SUN WEBSITE
[05:50] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: java.com
[05:50] <Hawkwind> AWOSDev: Or follow the info the bot gave you
[05:50] <Hawkwind> Much easier than going to suns site
[05:50] <AWOSDev> I CTRL+Cd apt-get why?
[05:50] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: uh that's not up to date with sun's site
[05:50] <Healot> if you already downloaded the jdk/jre from Sun's website
[05:50] <intelikey> IceKnight open kconfig  services
[05:51] <AWOSDev> what's wrong with apt-get?
[05:51] <AWOSDev> Blehh
[05:51] <NthDegree> AWOSDev: the apt version is older than getting it off the sun site :)
[05:51] <Healot> it's better to just convert the binary installer in a debian/ubuntu package using make-jpkg (java-package)
[05:51] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: If you follow that info the bot gives it works perfectly
[05:51] <AWOSDev> going on Ubuntu's Web site leaves a bad taste in my mouth
[05:51] <AWOSDev> it takes fo
[05:51] <AWOSDev> r
[05:52] <AWOSDev> ever
[05:52] <AWOSDev> to
[05:52] <AWOSDev> load
[05:52] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: yes on i386 maybe
[05:52] <AWOSDev> I have i386!
[05:52] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: He's on i386
[05:52] <Hawkwind> Hence why he should use it
[05:52] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: and he'd be using old stuff
[05:52] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: Ummm no
[05:53] <NthDegree> uh yeah
[05:53] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: java is in the repos
[05:53] <intelikey> oh that
[05:53] <NthDegree> i know it is
[05:53] <AWOSDev> So can I get it from apt-get or not?!
[05:53] <NthDegree> but it's older than the one on  the website
[05:53] <Hawkwind> AWOSDev: Yes
[05:53] <NthDegree> otherwise there'd be good x86_64 support in the repos too
[05:53] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: So, it's best to stick with the versions that are in the repos for your version of the OS
[05:53] <NthDegree> which there isn't
[05:54] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: don't be stupid, Sun Java can't be patched by the distro vendor
[05:54] <NthDegree> Hawkwind: so therefore only way to be secure is the latest version off their site
[05:54] <intelikey> can't be running old stuff, mussnt mussnt.   if it's older than two days you have to update. and don't argue about it.   that's the rules.
[05:54] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: Having the latest isn't always the best FYI
[05:54] <NthDegree> in the FOSS world that is true
[05:55] <intelikey> that's the rules....
[05:55] <Hawkwind> NthDegree: Majority of everyone here is using the version packaged by Ubuntu, nothing wrong with it at all
[05:55] <Creedence> hey... how do u get a channel list in Konversation
[05:55] <AWOSDev> FOSS?
[05:55] <NthDegree>  /channellist
[05:55] <NthDegree> Free Open Source Software
[05:56] <intelikey> /list    but don't....
[05:56] <IceKnight> intelikey: where is kconfig? Am I looking for an application or a text file?
[05:56] <AWOSDev> Nah, every now and again I use Red Hat 5 and fvwm95 on an old Pentium II every now and again, I like old stuff
[05:56] <intelikey> app
[05:56] <Hawkwind> Creedence: Or you can search for a specific channel by doing: /msg chanserv list *search-term*
[05:56] <AWOSDev> Netscape 3.04 and everything :)
[05:57] <Jobberwacky> isn't old stuff insecure?
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: Not always, no
[05:57] <AWOSDev> Now where do I get azureur or whatever?
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Jobberwacky: If it was, then the entire would be insecure since every package isn't updated everyday
[05:58] <intelikey> IceKnight maybe it's called settings  or something in the menu  but kcontrol    is the name of the executable  you can alt+f2 kcontrol
[05:58] <intelikey> IceKnight id  i say kconfig   sorry my bad.
[05:58] <AWOSDev> Creedence, where do you get Azureus?
[05:58] <Creedence> i beleive i got it with apt-get
[05:58] <IceKnight> intelikey thanks, I think I found it
[05:59] <Creedence> I had to add some repositories to the sources.list
[05:59] <omar> thank you so much for the UNRAR installer
[05:59] <AWOSDev> I have all of the repos from easysource in there
[05:59] <omar> I really appreciate it
[05:59] <AWOSDev> yw omar
[05:59] <Creedence> so then sudo apt-get install azureus
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> !azureus
[05:59] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[05:59] <_ian> how do i make linux visible to my windows compter?
[06:00] <poningru> _ian: what do you mean visible?
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> _ian,  install/confgure samba
[06:00] <intelikey> samba
[06:00] <Creedence> _ian, in what way?
[06:00] <Hawkwind> !repos
[06:00] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:00] <Creedence> shareS?
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> !samba
[06:00] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:00] <_ian> i can see my windows pc but my windows pc cant see this linux
[06:00] <intelikey> samba
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> alwo be sure to add a samba password for the linux users with 'sudo smbpasswd -a LINUXUSERNAME'
[06:01] <royal> ok how do I install Wine without internet connection?
[06:01] <Creedence> I think I am off to hit the hay.
[06:01] <Creedence> have a good night everyone
[06:01] <AWOSDev> Ah, Samba.  I'm running this computer right here as an NT4 Domain Controller.  No more outrageous MS license fees!  Yay FOSS!
[06:01] <AWOSDev> G'night Creedence.
[06:01] <Creedence> night
[06:01] <_ian> it says i need root access...... i cant edit anything
[06:01] <intelikey> !sudo
[06:01] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:02] <AWOSDev> _ian, sudo
[06:02] <arunkale> hello people
[06:02] <roma> hi all
[06:02] <AWOSDev> sudo vi /etc/samba/smb.conf or whatever
[06:02] <intelikey> nano
[06:02] <jpiccolo> i cant get k3b to write to a dvd-rw
[06:03] <AWOSDev> This happened once before, so do be offended.  jpiccolo, are you using a DVD writer?
[06:03] <AWOSDev> and don't forget about
[06:03] <jpiccolo> haha yeah not that dumb
[06:03] <AWOSDev> !dvd+rw-tools
[06:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd+rw-tools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <AWOSDev> hmm....I thought that's what it was called
[06:03] <arunkale> hi roma
[06:04] <intelikey> !info dvd+rw-tools
[06:04] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:04] <jpiccolo> in the repos
[06:04] <intelikey> the bot is filtering '+'
[06:04] <AWOSDev> ahhhhh that was SuSE
[06:04] <AWOSDev> sorry
[06:04] <earthsound> !info "dvd+rw-tools"
[06:04] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:04] <trappist> I accidentally removed all my fonts in kcontrol.  all of em.  all new apps show up with squares instead of letters.  is it possible to restore them?
[06:04] <jpiccolo> i have that package installed
[06:05] <intelikey> !info dvd\+rw-tools
[06:05] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  as a user you removed them?
[06:05] <AWOSDev> No, no it is dvd+rw-tools
[06:05] <trappist> Dr_Willis: alas, no
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  ICK!
[06:05] <trappist> Dr_Willis: that's what I *thought* I was doing
[06:05] <arunkale> how do i set firefox to be my default browser? i went to edit > preferences, and asked it to check if it was my default browser, and nothing happens
[06:05] <AWOSDev> !info dvd++rw-tools
[06:05] <intelikey> AWOSDev i know that.  the bot is filtering out the +
[06:05] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:05] <jpiccolo> dvd+rw-tools makes it possible to burn DVD images
[06:05] <jpiccolo> installed
[06:05] <AWOSDev> Grr
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  heh - use the console and fire up appitude and perhasp reinstall teh packages
[06:06] <jpiccolo> i am trying to burn a iso to a dvdrw could that be a problem
[06:06] <trappist> Dr_Willis: the files are still there, but they're not in fonts:/, whatever that is
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> but heck - those fonts could of come from several dozen different packages.
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  Hmm.. try  making a new user.. see if it works for them?
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  thers the deforma commands that rescan the fonts dirs
[06:07] <halfbloodprince> man, i've forgotten my irc password
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> I saw it mentioned in the ubuntu hacks book. :P never used it however.
[06:07] <trappist> Dr_Willis: I'm confident it won't.  I removed the system fonts, not the user fonts
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> let me check that book.. it had a command to force deforma to rescan the fonts
[06:07] <trappist> Dr_Willis: that would be pretty awesome.
[06:07] <intelikey> hehhe #perl   lol
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> sudo dpkg-reconfigure defoma
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> sudo defoma-reconfigure
[06:08] <intelikey> update-fonts-*
[06:08] <trappist> Dr_Willis: oh crap.  it seems the files themselves have gone awol.  but, I'll try that anyway, thanks.
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> 'if your system has enede up in an unclean state  try.. ' the 2nd command i showed. :P
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> trappist,  ICK :P lol
[06:09] <AWOSDev> um, jpiccolo, can you use cdrecord?
[06:09] <trappist> Dr_Willis: I'll try apt-get install --reinstall on some font packs
[06:09] <AWOSDev> !cdrecord
[06:09] <ubotu> cdrecord: command line CD writing tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a01-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 547 kB, installed size 1136 kB
[06:11] <earthsound> jpiccolo: have you ever tried graveman?
[06:11] <earthsound> !graveman
[06:11] <ubotu> graveman: graphical tool to burn dvd and cd, gtk based. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.12-4-2.1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 690 kB, installed size 2424 kB
[06:11] <jpiccolo> no i havent
[06:12] <jpiccolo> is there a problem burning a iso to a dvdrw
[06:12] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo, not with cdrecord
[06:12] <trappist> Dr_Willis: found the easy way to get most of them: trappist@grasshopper:/usr/share/fonts/truetype$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall ttf-*
[06:12] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo at least not with me
[06:13] <trappist> Dr_Willis: where I'm in a dir full of ttf-* dirs that match package names, so the shell will expand ttf-* to what's in the dir (packages I have installed)
[06:13] <earthsound> jpiccolo: are you getting any errors?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> heh
[06:13] <jpiccolo> ok i will try that out once i get this burned
[06:13] <earthsound> or just a silent fail?
[06:13] <jpiccolo> i was getting a io error
[06:13] <jpiccolo> but its working with a reg dvd
[06:13] <intelikey> !info '"dvd\\\+rw-tools"'
[06:13] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:13] <jpiccolo> i have that installed
[06:13] <intelikey> S:
[06:14] <AWOSDev> maybe the bot just needs a little
[06:14] <AWOSDev> !botsnack
[06:14] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:14] <jpiccolo> ha
[06:14] <AWOSDev> !info dvd%2Brw-tools
[06:14] <ubotu> Package dvd2brw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:14] <jpiccolo> my buffer is having a hard time keeping up
[06:14] <intelikey> or a botsmack maybe
[06:15] <AWOSDev> !info dvd%+rw-tools
[06:15] <ubotu> Package dvdrw-tools does not exist in any distro I know
[06:15] <jpiccolo> there is no such thing as defrag in linux right?
[06:15] <AWOSDev> IIRC You can't frag in Linux, so no
[06:15] <Hawkwind> !find tools
[06:15] <ubotu> Found: autotools-dev, bzrtools, cdrtools-doc, console-data, console-tools (and 212 others)
[06:15] <trappist> Dr_Willis: in the unlikely event that you're interested, here's how it went down.  I was installing about 3k new fonts.  then "oh, these are personal fonts, I want system fonts" so I click cancel, then admin mode, then went to delete all the fonts, and since things were moving so slowly I thought it hadn't taken my admin mode click.
[06:15] <AWOSDev> !find more tools
[06:15] <ubotu> Found: xmore, libcarp-assert-more-perl, liblist-moreutils-perl, xlockmore, xlockmore-gl
[06:15] <jpiccolo> dvd/n+rw-tools
[06:15] <Hawkwind> !find dvd-rw
[06:15] <ubotu> Package/file dvd-rw does not exist in dapper
[06:16] <AWOSDev> !find rw-tools
[06:16] <ubotu> Found: dvd+rw-tools
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:16] <AWOSDev> Ha!
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> 3000 fonts?
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> of which 2950 you will never ever use
[06:16] <earthsound> jpiccolo: k3b is another one you could try
[06:16] <trappist> Dr_Willis: probably true.
[06:16] <earthsound> !k3b
[06:16] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[06:16] <jpiccolo> i was using k3b
[06:16] <jpiccolo> thats were i got the error
[06:17] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: I've got a URL for 6,970 fonts :P
[06:17] <earthsound> see if this page may help: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/
[06:17] <AWOSDev> I know, I know, Azureus is multiverse
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  i collected all my font collections ive managed to collect.. :P onto a single dvd..
[06:17] <AWOSDev> but can you guys help me with it?
[06:17] <jpiccolo> i will look for graveman when my disc is done
[06:17] <wayne_> how can i make this screen see-through?
[06:17] <intelikey> i think i use three fonts
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> whats to help.. installit.. run it.
[06:17] <AWOSDev> running
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> be sure you are using the sun java.. not the gcc one.
[06:17] <AWOSDev> I already apt-got it
[06:17] <Hawkwind> wayne_: Depends on the app if you can or not
[06:18] <AWOSDev> I got sun-java5-[bin/plugin/jre]
[06:18] <AWOSDev> DEBUG::Wed Sep 13 00:13:52 EDT 2006::org.gudy.azureus2.core3.util.DebugLight::printStackTrace::38:
[06:18] <AWOSDev>   java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Argument cannot be null
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> do a 'java --version'
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> and see what java you are using.. read at --> http://pastebin.com/782784 also for my notes
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:18] <jpiccolo> dont look at the screen, look through the screen
[06:18] <AWOSDev> java version "1.4.2"
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> and the NEXT line says?
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:18] <earthsound> jpiccolo: the URL I pasted has more info on DVD+RW/+R/-R|W than anyone in here.
[06:19] <jpiccolo> ok thanks earthsound
[06:19] <AWOSDev> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu8)
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> you are NOT using the sun java
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> by default
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:19] <AWOSDev> Okay how do I un-apt-get the GCC one
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> and this is a common problem.. easy to fix.
[06:19] <AWOSDev> what is it's package name
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> that pastebin url - shows what command to use
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> but its so slow.. i cant even read my own notes..
[06:20] <intelikey> i think maybe i don't have any java installed.   (and don't want any)
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> !java
[06:20] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> That url about midway through tells how to set up the 'alternatives' to java
[06:20] <jpiccolo> <- have to have java for JESS to run
[06:20] <AWOSDev> pastebin.com contacted.  Waiting for reply...
[06:20] <jpiccolo> A.I. programming this semester
[06:21] <AWOSDev> pastebin.com contacted.  Waited for reply for the last 2 minutes but still waiting...
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> AWOSDev,  the !java url will be faster.. :P lol

[06:21] <Dr_Willis> pastebin.com - needs to invest some $$ in servers
[06:21] <AWOSDev> They want to, didn't you see the top banner the other day
[06:21] <AWOSDev> ?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> I got so many ads blocked.. i cant recall seeing any banners there.
[06:22] <AWOSDev> I think maybe my Internet is down
[06:22] <AWOSDev> no wait, I'm on IRC...never mind :P
[06:22] <AWOSDev> I can't get the bot's link to come up either
[06:22] <earthsound> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[06:23] <intelikey> i've talked on irc when the net was off line here....
[06:23] <AWOSDev> Ah it finally came up
[06:23] <intelikey> you don't get many answers tho
[06:24] <intelikey> hehhe  my  update-alternatives == /bin/true
[06:24] <wayne_> lmao
[06:24] <AWOSDev> I got 24 lines of
[06:24] <AWOSDev> update-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/appletviewer
[06:24] <AWOSDev> s/appletviewer/the other 23 apps
[06:25] <AWOSDev> but then it said using '/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/whatever' to provide 'whatever'
[06:25] <AWOSDev> so I guess it worked?
[06:26] <AWOSDev> Am I offline?  Did nobody get that stuff about Java?
[06:26] <intelikey> in fact  update-* == /bin/true
[06:26] <intelikey> yes you are.
[06:26] <intelikey> oh no i am...
[06:26] <AWOSDev> Ah there you are
[06:26] <intelikey> :)
[06:27] <AWOSDev> It's just sitting at the konsole
[06:27] <AWOSDev> *console
[06:27] <AWOSDev> :P
[06:27] <AWOSDev> Azureus won't even crash now :(
[06:28] <AWOSDev> I never thought I'd say this, but WHY won't this thing crash?
[06:28] <intelikey> is azureus supposed to crach ?
[06:28] <AWOSDev> No, but it's better than freezing
[06:28] <SOLITA> CLIC AQUI ---> http://l1.lifogame.com/i/perfil.php?p=Solixa
[06:28] <SOLITA> CLIC AQUI ---> http://l1.lifogame.com/i/perfil.php?p=Solixa
[06:28] <SOLITA> CLIC AQUI ---> http://l1.lifogame.com/i/perfil.php?p=Solixa
[06:28] <AWOSDev> At least crashing I know what the problem is
[06:28] <intelikey> start rm'ing /lib/*  things will crash quick.
[06:29] <AWOSDev> Nah, if I wanted to do that I'd just rm -rf /
[06:29] <AWOSDev> :)
[06:29] <Art_> How do i give admin permission to use th ex-server?
[06:29] <AWOSDev> Okay better question
[06:29] <Art_> the x-server
[06:29] <AWOSDev> Why *IS* this thing freezing?
[06:29] <jpiccolo> what does sudo rm -rf / do?
[06:29] <intelikey> yeah and as soon as it did /lib it would crash with out rming any more.
[06:30] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo, if you're from Windows, format c:
[06:30] <jpiccolo> haha i know
[06:30] <intelikey> jpiccolo it remove most files on the root system
[06:30] <intelikey> but not near all
[06:31] <AWOSDev> Hey it finally loaded!
[06:31] <jpiccolo> but make it pretty much unuseable
[06:31] <intelikey> yeah definitly un-useable
[06:32] <jpiccolo> grr cedega is pissing me off
[06:32] <AWOSDev> It says 'how proficient are you?  Select Beginner if you've never torrented before.  Select Advanced if you know what MTU and no-blocking I/O is'.  Well I know what MTU/NBIO is but I have no clue what torrent is.
[06:33] <AWOSDev> So am I a beginner or advanced?
[06:33] <skryking> AWOSDev, any error messages on the console, or in .xsessions-errors?
[06:33] <AWOSDev> Hmm?
[06:33] <AWOSDev> About what?
[06:33] <AWOSDev> I got stuff about changeLocale
[06:33] <AWOSDev> and X Error: Bad Device
[06:33] <AWOSDev> the normal stuff
[06:33] <omar> hello guys, how can I install koffice, I already got the home/omar/Desktop/koffice-1.5.91.tar.bz2
[06:34] <omar> what's the line
[06:35] <AWOSDev> bunzip2 koffice-1.5.91.tar.bz2
[06:35] <AWOSDev> tar -xf koffice-1.5.91.tar
[06:35] <AWOSDev> cd koffice-1.5.91
[06:35] <AWOSDev> ./configure
[06:35] <AWOSDev> make
[06:35] <earthsound> omar: tar xjvf koffice-1.5.91.tar.bz2
[06:35] <AWOSDev> make install
[06:35] <intelikey> no  just tar xf  koffice-1.5.91.tar.bz2
[06:35] <intelikey> why make it hard
[06:35] <abattoir> omar: it's in the repos, i'd recommend installing from there
[06:36] <abattoir> !info koffice
[06:36] <ubotu> koffice: KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional.   What did you just get diamonds or something?
[06:38] <wayne_> has anyone gotten tuxbar to work in kubuntu?
[06:38] <jpiccolo> any of you guys have a bluetooth keyboard?
[06:38] <wayne_> if so can you give me some pointewrs
[06:38] <wayne_> pointers
[06:38] <skryking> anyone use ktts with konversation?
[06:39] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo, well all of my keyboards are hardwired PS/2s (well I have an XT but that's beyond the point) so know
[06:39] <we6jbo> I got tuxbox racer but it crashes when I try to play it
[06:39] <AWOSDev> s/know/no
[06:39] <jpiccolo> !ktts
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktts - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <AWOSDev> ktty I'm assuming
[06:39] <AWOSDev> !ktty
[06:39] <skryking> ktts
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <skryking> kde text to speech deamon
[06:39] <jpiccolo> i have a bt keyboard and it double letters all the time
[06:40] <intelikey> skryking what about ktts ?
[06:40] <intelikey> i have used it.
[06:40] <AWOSDev> jpiccolo, I have a laptop keyboard and *it* double letters all the time  :)
[06:40] <skryking> I have it saying the new messages, but I can't figure out how to get it to filter out the < and the > wrapped around the usernames
[06:40] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I can't seem to print in Gimp.  It keeps saying, "lp: Error - no default destination".  My printer is connected, plus it is recognized (I was able to print out a picture before).  I need Gimp to resize the picture and print it out.
[06:41] <jpiccolo> ouch man, yeah if i dont type for a while, it will like 8 letter stuff
[06:41] <jpiccolo> sucks when i hit BackSpace
[06:41] <intelikey> skryking hmmm never tried to filter out chars... idk.
[06:42] <intelikey> i know what you mean but don't have any adivce.
[06:42] <skryking> intelikey, thanks... its a nice way of "listening to irc channels" without having to look at them
[06:43] <intelikey> indeed
[06:43] <wayne_> how does gimp compair to photoshop?
[06:44] <aseigo> wayne_: not as many features, completely different UI paradigm
[06:44] <aseigo> wayne_: but Free software and has most of what most people need
[06:44] <AWOSDev> GIMP is free and Photoshop can run you $500-$1000.
[06:44] <AWOSDev> Need I say more?  :P
[06:44] <wayne_> lol
[06:44] <aseigo> wayne_: i find the gimp ui to be rather clumsy and the lack of certain features annoying, but it's pretty solid. perfect for doing graphics for websites ...
[06:44] <wayne_> i just want to get away from windows altogether
[06:44] <intelikey> if you can use an external filter  tr  would work.    | tr -d '<>@#$%^&*()/\\[{] }' | ktts      or something like that.
[06:44] <jpiccolo> if you know ps already gimp is a pain in the ass
[06:45] <wayne_> i know OS well
[06:45] <wayne_> PS**
[06:46] <skryking> lol, it just spits out the litteral translation of that string
[06:46] <AWOSDev> aposthrophe greater-than less-than at hash dollar percent
[06:47] <AWOSDev> like that?
[06:47] <intelikey> yeah i know.
[06:47] <skryking> yup
[06:48] <AWOSDev> Does it really say hash or does it say pound?
[06:48] <AWOSDev> for #
[06:48] <we6jbo> that's both a hash mark and a pound sign (#)
[06:48] <intelikey> pound for #   or hash for #    lol
[06:48] <wayne_>
[06:48] <AWOSDev> I know, I was asking what KTTS says for it :)
[06:49] <skryking> festival voice says hash
[06:49] <wayne_> duelboot
[06:49] <skryking> atleast the mbrola female us english version
[06:49] <AWOSDev> Who's winning?  :D
[06:49] <we6jbo> If you dial 1-800-479-2533 and it will say dial 1 followed by the pound key for english... 2 followed by the pound for spanish etc
[06:50] <AWOSDev> Well on the phone...
[06:50] <AWOSDev> I mean on a car enthusiats forum I'm on one guy's name is 4k#Fe
[06:50] <AWOSDev> (meaning four thousand pounds of iron)
[06:50] <wayne_> does anyone here duel boot windows and ubuntu?
[06:50] <we6jbo> 4k number sign fe?
[06:50] <earthsound> wayne_: you may want to try gimpshop
[06:50] <royal> hi I just downloaded the latest version of wine from Linuxgamers, unziped tar.bz in my home folder, and right now i'm trying to figure out how to install wine from this point?
[06:50] <AWOSDev> Yeah, but Ubuntu usually wins.
[06:51] <intelikey> 4k#Fe lol
[06:51] <AWOSDev> (duel not dual :) )
[06:51] <jpiccolo> theres probably no way to play a game with starforce 4 in linux
[06:51] <earthsound> wayne_: http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294
[06:51] <intelikey> two ton  ehh
[06:51] <jpiccolo> royal
[06:51] <AWOSDev> it's on http://www.crownvic.net Crown Victoria forums, if you were wondering
[06:51] <earthsound> wayne_: I dual boot ubuntu and windows
[06:51] <jpiccolo> i have an easier way, just did it mysefl
[06:51] <royal> yes?
[06:51] <royal> preferably it doesn't involve connecting the computer to the net
[06:52] <ironfroggy> are there any cups semi-experts around? ive having some troubleshooting problems.
[06:52] <jpiccolo> oh
[06:52] <we6jbo> I have a question
[06:52] <royal> cause therse only one connection in the house and the win computer is using it
[06:52] <intelikey> state your question
[06:52] <jpiccolo> well you can add   deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[06:53] <royal> (in other words the really big gaming custom machine computer... linux is on the 9310S gateway)
[06:53] <we6jbo> I have two slots in the front of my computer and I was wondering what I could put in them
[06:53] <jpiccolo> to your repo and have adept install if for you
[06:53] <we6jbo> I don't know what they are though
[06:53] <we6jbo> card slots
[06:53] <intelikey> we6jbo that's a dangerous question
[06:53] <jpiccolo> thats how i did it, and got the newest version
[06:53] <royal> the version that has support for direct X 9?
[06:53] <we6jbo> oh can they be hacked?
[06:53] <intelikey> usb stick ?
[06:54] <AWOSDev> we6jbo 9 outta 10 they're for digital camera flash cards.
[06:54] <we6jbo> looks like this [06:54] <we6jbo> ones bigger than the other too
[06:54] <intelikey> we6jbo sudo lshw | less   and see that comes up
[06:54] <jpiccolo> well i dont know, i didnt get that far, the game i was trying to play has starforce4 protection and i dont think that will work regardless
[06:54] <we6jbo> |_____________ --\_______/--
[06:55] <jpiccolo> its 0.9.20
[06:55] <ironfroggy> ANYWAY, i have a case where i can print successful test pages, but certain times i will print and the logs list the job as completing successfully and being sent to the printer without problems, but i get no printing. where can i look for more information on what is going on?
[06:56] <we6jbo> says USB device error?
[06:56] <royal> yeah thats what I meant
[06:57] <AWOSDev> Well my download will be done in two and a half hours
[06:57] <AWOSDev> anway
[06:57] <AWOSDev> It's 1AM here on the East Coast so I think I'll go to bed now.
[06:57] <AWOSDev> G'night all.
[06:57] <jpiccolo> royal, to me thats the easiest way
[06:57] <royal> btw I heard lately some suggested repos to put down, coudl someone get me a list (not kidding) to put down for whern I do hook it up?
[06:58] <royal> to the net that is
[06:58] <Xptical> How do I recover files from a DVD-R when it wasn't closed properly?
[06:58] <jpiccolo> do you have the multiverse and suchs
[06:58] <intelikey> my clock forgot that it's on gmt but im not in that tz,  without tzconfig  what is the best way to change that ?
[06:58] <AWOSDev> we6jbo, good luck on trying to get those ports figured out.
[06:58] <AWOSDev> I still say they're for flash memory cards...
[06:58] <obf213> Anybody in here us hplip
[06:59] <royal> not sure, heard somthing mentioned about it when I asked how to get Mp3 support
[06:59] <intelikey> !repos
[06:59] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:00] <intelikey> !easysources
[07:00] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:00] <jpiccolo> !dvdisaster
[07:00] <ubotu> dvdisaster: data loss/scratch/aging protection for CD/DVD media. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.64.2-1 (dapper), package size 157 kB, installed size 520 kB
[07:00] <jpiccolo> there Xptical
[07:00] <jpiccolo> best i can think of
[07:01] <royal> I think I will try that
[07:01] <royal> tommorow that is
[07:02] <Xptical> thanks
[07:02] <royal> so to get wine for my install I should add deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[07:02] <jpiccolo> worth a shot
[07:02] <royal> just to reveiw
[07:04] <jpiccolo> royal, go here http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[07:04] <jpiccolo> explains it all
[07:04] <obf213> the last 9 or so packages ive tried to install have had a break
[07:04] <obf213> whats the problem
[07:04] <jpiccolo> very easy
[07:04] <ironfroggy> how can i find what package installed a given file?
[07:04] <royal> ok
[07:04] <obf213> !HP
[07:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about HP - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:05] <jpiccolo> ironfroggy, go to the details button
[07:05] <jpiccolo> then installed files
[07:05] <ironfroggy> no details button. im ssh'ed into a remote box.
[07:06] <jpiccolo> oh, no idea then
[07:06] <ironfroggy> and i dont know what the package is, so how could i get to that button in the first place?
[07:06] <jpiccolo> you dont know what package you installed
[07:06] <Jucato> ironfroggy: try typing "apt:/" in Konqueror
[07:07] <ironfroggy> Jucato: remote box
[07:07] <Jucato> then use file search
[07:07] <jpiccolo> he is sshed
[07:07] <Jucato> oh
[07:07] <Jucato> oops
[07:07] <Jucato> :(
[07:07] <ironfroggy> jpiccolo: no. its a python module, and im trying to find the name of the package that it came from, because i need it locally.
[07:07] <bnilsen> Seeking suggestions before I reinstall Dapper:  Struggling with a hardware problem I loaded Xbuntu and Kbuntu Guis.  Now how do I get rid of them?
[07:08] <jpiccolo> do you know what the name of the file you need is?
[07:08] <ironfroggy> yes
[07:08] <jpiccolo> what is it
[07:08] <pierreth> How can I install Kubuntu Polyester?
[07:08] <obf213> init.d is an initialzing file or somthing
[07:08] <Jucato> !kde-style-polyester
[07:08] <ubotu> kde-style-polyester: The Polyester widget style for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.5-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 440 kB
[07:08] <ironfroggy> ... nevermind. went to grab the name from its __file__ attribute, to see that it was installed from an egg, not a deb.
[07:09] <jpiccolo> ok
[07:09] <pierreth> ubotu: I don't see it in the installer
[07:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about I don't see it in the installer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:09] <obf213> if anyone here has this http://hplip.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html the hp device manager gui tell me how you got it
[07:10] <Jucato> pierreth: you have to enable the Universe repository
[07:10] <royal> and before I go where can I get a doccumentation on how to enable MP3 support?
[07:10] <Jucato> pierreth:  here's a guide for that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:10] <obf213> !mp3
[07:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:11] <obf213> anybody here use an hp printer/scanner ve been trying for the past 2 hrs to get the scanner to work
[07:11] <pierreth> Jucato: the page is empty
[07:11] <obf213> does anyone have this http://hplip.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[07:11] <Jucato> pierreth: wait for it to load
[07:11] <jpiccolo> royal, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[07:12] <pierreth> Jucato: OK
[07:12] <royal> lol they're both the same url
[07:12] <obf213> anyboyd know how to set up a printer!
[07:12] <Jucato> royal: anyway, the RestrictedFormats page is what you needed
[07:12] <obf213> using hplip or w/e ur supposed to use
[07:13] <cps1966> ! kdelibs4c2a
[07:13] <ubotu> kdelibs4c2a: core libraries for all KDE applications. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.1 (dapper), package size 8138 kB, installed size 24336 kB
[07:13] <jpiccolo> oops, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:14] <obf213> !help
[07:14] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[07:14] <cps1966> why is md5sum mismatch
[07:14] <obf213> !help help help
[07:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about help help help - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:14] <MistaED> obf213: afaik the option for hplip is hidden normally unless a hp printer is detected, if it didn't appear you can go to applications > accessories > alacarte menu editor and i think you can tick the display for it in there under system
[07:14] <obf213> i had an hp printer hooked up and set up
[07:14] <MistaED> so then you can go system > administration > hplip
[07:14] <obf213> and hplip would show up
[07:14] <MistaED> oh ok
[07:15] <obf213> i dont have system admininstration either
[07:15] <obf213> why is my menu missing so manythings
[07:15] <MistaED> the scanner doesn't get detected with xsane?
[07:15] <Jucato> MistaED: that menu is for GNOME
[07:15] <obf213> no
[07:15] <MistaED> oh crap, i'm in #kubunu hehe
[07:15] <MistaED> didn't realise, sorry
[07:15] <aseigo> ugh.. alacarte? nah, use kmenuedit or right click on the applications menu =)
[07:15] <Jucato> :D
[07:15] <Jucato> hi aseigo! :)
[07:15] <aseigo> Jucato: yo
[07:15] <obf213> i installed hplip, hpoj, hpeverything evry foo driver, everthing possible
[07:16] <aseigo> obf213: and when you run hplip nothing shows up?
[07:16] <obf213> i set up an hp printer/scanner/copier using the regular setup method.
[07:16] <royal> so how do I get libakode2-mpeg?
[07:16] <obf213> nothing happens
[07:16] <obf213> hplip is not a command it says
[07:16] <obf213> i can search for hplip and i find files
[07:16] <obf213> somehow or another im supposed to get this
[07:16] <MistaED> obf213: the scanner i think is managed by something else, i know kde has a good scanning app which detected a HP scanner on top of a printer
[07:16] <obf213> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[07:17] <Jucato> royal: you have to enable the universe repository to get libakode2-mpeg
[07:17] <aseigo> kooka?
[07:17] <MistaED> yes kooka
[07:17] <obf213> kooka doesent detect anything
[07:17] <aseigo> royal: you need to install libakode2-mpeg
[07:17] <obf213> hplip thing is supposed to do all that stuff for you
[07:17] <MistaED> i think this was with suse10 though
[07:17] <jpiccolo> yeah universe repos
[07:17] <Jucato> kooka... reminds me of cookies... :)
[07:17] <aseigo> royal: hint for future ... `apt-cache search libakode` would've told you that =) or typing "libakode" into the search bar in adept
[07:17] <aseigo> ah, yeha. you need universe
[07:17] <obf213> i also instaled hpoj
[07:18] <aseigo> people run *buntu w/out universe? ;)
[07:18] <Jucato> or using Kubuntu's very helpful "apt:/" kio slave :)
[07:18] <jpiccolo> i dont use akode though
[07:18] <obf213> and tried to run its gui which would work
[07:18] <Jucato> aseigo: yep, disabled by default :D
[07:18] <jpiccolo> aseigo, i guess so
[07:18] <Jucato> (like many other things.. :D )
[07:18] <royal> its a bit confusing for a long time windows user... oh well. I gotta get to bed... cold setting in :(
[07:18] <royal> cya
[07:18] <jpiccolo> later
[07:19] <Jucato> royal: yeah. things might look a bit differently when you're feeling ill :(
[07:19] <Jucato> better get some rest first :)
[07:19] <royal> yeah
[07:19] <royal> maybe I should ask again tommorow cause this isn't sinking in
[07:19] <obf213> this is lame. they need to make the next version of kubuntu better so you dont have to spend over 2hrs just trying to get a scanner to work.
[07:20] <Healot> that means your scanner is lame )
[07:20] <cps1966> why am i getting md5sum mismatch for  kdelibs4c2a
[07:21] <obf213> lol i cant get programs to open is the problem
[07:21] <obf213> i jsut get errors and such
[07:21] <Healot> cps1966: download or apt-get the package again
[07:21] <obf213> i download 9million packages and thinks still dont open
[07:21] <cps1966> i have many times even the dvd has bad file
[07:21] <Jucato> cps1966: it also depends from which repository you are getting it. the one from Kubuntu.org is different from the archive.ubuntu.com
[07:22] <Jucato> heh
[07:22] <Healot> obf213: really, whine somewhere else :=>
[07:22] <Jucato> obf213: probably because the hardware was "made for Windows"
[07:23] <cps1966> Healot:  why would install dvd have bad package
[07:23] <obf213> meh.....
[07:23] <Jucato> cps1966: were you able to check the md5sum of the DVD ISO before you burned it?
[07:23] <obf213> !wiki
[07:23] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[07:23] <cps1966> yes
[07:23] <Healot> i don't know, prolly bad DVD-rom drive...
[07:23] <jpiccolo> for me linux is a life style, i choose to use it becuse i was tired of windows, and being a comp sci major i better learn it
[07:24] <Jucato> obf213: you might have better search results in http://help.ubuntu.com/community
[07:24] <cps1966> Healot:  its the same problem with 6.06 and 6.06.1
[07:24] <jpiccolo> is anyone playing fear combat?
[07:25] <Healot> cps1966: it's your DVD-rom drive
[07:25] <Jucato> cps1966: from which md5sum are you comparing kdelibs4c2a to?
[07:25] <cps1966> no its not
[07:25] <cps1966> does the same thing from repositories
[07:27] <jpiccolo> !hostname
[07:27] <ubotu> Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname, or to do it permanently: edit /etc/hostname  and /etc/hosts . WARNING! Make sure that /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts match, otherwise sudo may not work properly
[07:28] <cps1966> b47817f26a5273b49081f277874c9429   thats the md5sum i get
[07:28] <jpiccolo> !domain name
[07:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about domain name - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <obf213> the past hour our so every package i download has an error break, but then it says its installeld
[07:32] <obf213> so is it instaled or wht and why is this happendn to every package
[07:32] <Jucato> obf213: maybe there error isn't for the package you are installing?
[07:33] <obf213> im installin one package at a time
[07:33] <Jucato> maybe an error left over from a previous package? *shrugs*
[07:37] <pierreth> Jucato: thank you
[07:38] <jpiccolo> anyone try fear combat in wine?
[07:39] <obf213> what is init.d
[07:39] <Coffeeman1> agh i forgot how to get my comp out of knsole mode its like ctrl shift f6 or something
[07:39] <Coffeeman1> anyone know?
[07:39] <obf213> if something has an init.d can it be run
[07:40] <Healot> Ctrl+Alt+F7 >> for X tty
[07:41] <Jucato> he's gone, though...
[07:41] <obf213> wht does init.d mean
[07:41] <Healot> i guess pressed Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[07:49] <obf213> !init.d
[07:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about init.d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:49] <obf213> !init
[07:49] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:50] <obf213> !bum
[07:50] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:51] <Jucato> !multiverse > Jucato
[07:52] <obf213> !rc.d
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc.d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <Jucato> !multiverse
[07:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:52] <obf213> !rc
[07:52] <ubotu> rc: an implementation of the AT&T Plan 9 shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.1-2 (dapper), package size 73 kB, installed size 188 kB
[07:52] <abattoir> !repos
[07:52] <flaccid_> !xgl
[07:52] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:53] <flaccid_> interesting
[07:53] <Jucato> obf213: you can also PM ubotu if you're not sure what you're looking for. :)
[07:53] <abattoir> !repos
[07:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:57] <obf213> o yeah i guess i could pm ubuto
[08:02] <draik> Anyone know how I can get a printout of the packages I have installed? Similar to this list... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23293
[08:04] <Jucato> draik???
[08:05] <Jucato> draik: with complete details?
[08:05] <draik> yup
[08:06] <Jucato> hm....
[08:06] <Jucato> i'm clueless...
[08:06] <Jucato> :(
[08:07] <abattoir> draik: apt-cache show 3dchess
[08:07] <Jucato> abattoir: for all installed packages....
[08:08] <abattoir> Jucato: well, you can put a script in...
[08:08] <draik> what script?
[08:08] <draik> I want a list of everything installed
[08:08] <abattoir> or rather put it in a script
[08:08] <abattoir> draik: wait a sec...
[08:08] <draik> ok
[08:08] <abattoir> draik: you know there'll be thousands of packages right?
[08:09] <draik> that's fine
[08:09] <abattoir> draik: do you want to 'print' them as in a printer?
[08:09] <abattoir> or do you want it just output to the screen?
[08:09] <draik> I will just add    > /path/filename
[08:09] <draik> screen is fine, but I also want them in a file
[08:09] <alexicon> any of you lot used vmware?
[08:09] <skryking> alexicon, I do
[08:10] <skryking> whatcha need?
[08:10] <alexicon> hrmm
[08:10] <alexicon> is there a walk through bout installing windows with it
[08:10] <abattoir> draik: and you want only 'installed' ones right, not everything in the repos?
[08:10] <alexicon> !vmware
[08:10] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[08:10] <draik> I was going to upload my previous install's file, but my server has issues
[08:10] <draik> abattoir, that's right
[08:12] <Jucato> ugh... all these questions about VMWare Server before I could register and get a serial number...
[08:12] <abattoir> Jucato: why do you want the server?
[08:12] <abattoir> just use the player
[08:12] <pierreth> does someone was able to install Flash?
[08:13] <abattoir> use qemu to create the images, and play them w/ vmware
[08:13] <Jucato> abattoir: so that I could make VMWare appliances/images...
[08:13] <skryking> server is free, and can create new images
[08:13] <Jucato> abattoir: how about vmware tools?
[08:13] <Jucato> !flash > pierreth
[08:13] <abattoir> Jucato: vmware tools?
[08:13] <Jucato> yes, to make them run faster
[08:14] <skryking> vmware-server is now free from vmware.com
[08:14] <draik> !opengl
[08:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:14] <Jucato> skryking: yeah.. but to get the serial number... I have to register... and the things I have to enter presumes that I'm working in a company or something.. :(
[08:15] <draik> abattoir, anything on those installed packages?
[08:17] <abattoir> draik: wait, my shell scripting skills are a bit rusty... one sec
[08:17] <draik> ok
[08:17] <draik> thx
[08:18] <wry> hey guys.
[08:18] <skryking> make up your own company
[08:18] <skryking> get a hotmail account to recieve the key...
[08:18] <wry> kmail's bein nasty to me!
[08:18] <Jucato> skryking: what do I enter for the "Serial numbers needed (1-100)" field?
[08:19] <skryking> what ever you want, I selected 1 since I only needed one copy
[08:20] <Jucato> aaaah
[08:20] <wry> I can't send mail, but receiving it no probs.
[08:20] <Jucato> wry: using KMail?
[08:21] <wry> Jucato---> I'd rather not, but it's all I gots at the mo, what would you suggest?
[08:22] <Jucato> wry: do you get any error messages/pop-ups when sending mail?
[08:23] <_bender_> Is the MAKE command included by default in Kubuntu...since doesn't seem to think I have it...:\
[08:27] <jpiccolo> i am pretty sure make is running the make file in the dir
[08:27] <wry> jucato--> yup.. (The server responded: "sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)")
[08:27] <Jucato> _bender_: no. you have to install "build-essential" to get everything you need for compiling from source
[08:27] <_bender_> Ahh kk
[08:27] <draik> What's the diff between & and &&?
[08:28] <_bender_> Off to Adept I go, weird though would have thought MAKE would be included by default
[08:28] <_bender_> thx btww
[08:28] <Jucato> _bender_: heh some people think so too. apparently, there's more than meets the eye about it...
[08:29] <_bender_> Hmm wouldn't doubt it, planning to try out this checkinstall with it to see how that works
[08:29] <Jucato> draik: not exactly sure what "&" does in BASH, but "&&" runs the command following it, only after the command preceding it has finished...
[08:29] <Jucato> _bender_: you might have a better experience with checkinstall
[08:29] <draik> Jucato, that's all I know as well
[08:30] <jpiccolo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otGSpv_k8rY