[00:58] <tripper> Hey
[00:58] <tripper> I just did a clean install of 13.10, then installed nvidia drivers for my 560 Ti.
[00:58] <tripper> When I reboot, X seems to start up fine, but instead of a login screen, all it shows is the desktop background for the login screen and the default X-shaped cursor.
[00:59] <tripper> LightDM doesn't seem to start properly.
[00:59] <tripper> And now that I have the proprietary drivers installed, my consoles are broken, so I can't just startx as a user from there.
[00:59] <tripper> What's going on and how do I fix my system?
[01:01] <tripper> Anyone?
[01:02] <holstein> tripper: i would confirm with the open driver
[01:03] <tripper> It started up fine with nouveau.
[01:03] <tripper> It seems to be changing t othe nonfree driver that somehow messed up my login.
[01:03] <holstein> tripper: i would just use the nouveau ones
[01:04] <tripper> Regargles, my machine is inoperable: I hadn't installed an SSH server on it yet so I can't do things on it from my laptop, I can't start an X environment properly, and thanks to the proprietary drivers, my TTYs on't work
[01:04] <tripper> The last of which woudln't be an issue if the login manager worked fine.
[01:04] <holstein> tripper: purge the drivers, and test
[01:05] <holstein> tripper: see that the proprietary driver has put no xorg.conf file in place
[01:05] <tripper> I can't. I have no way to get a shell on the machine.
[01:05] <holstein> tripper: there is a recovery shell at boot
[01:05] <tripper> Should I mount the system from a livecd?
[01:05] <tripper> oh
[01:05] <holstein> tripper: in the grub menu
[01:05] <tripper> Let's see
[01:06] <tripper> Oh, it automatically boots without showing the GRUB menu; what's the key to pull up the grub menu at boot
[01:06] <tripper> ?
[01:06] <holstein> tripper: shift
[01:06] <holstein> !recovery
[01:07] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode#Booting_into_recovery_mode is what i was looking for
[01:08] <tripper> Odd; I hold down Shift even a little bit before the POST beep and it still doesn't go into GRUB
[01:08] <tripper> ┐('～`；)┌
[01:09] <tripper> Any possible explanations?
[01:09] <holstein> tripper: sure.. many
[01:10] <holstein> tripper: i know, on fresh installs like this, sometimes i'l just reinstall.. since that only takes me about 8 minutes
[01:10] <tripper> Yeah, I might just do that lol
[01:10] <holstein> though, i would just tap shift and keep trying.. or, llok from a live CD and see if there is an xorg.conf
[01:10] <Tlan5> hello i need help with xubuntu 13.10
[01:10] <holstein> Tlan5: just ask
[01:10] <tripper> holstein: WOuld I just wipe the xorg.conf?
[01:11] <holstein> tripper: i would test.. without it.. moving it out of the way.. i would look in it, and see what driver is specified
[01:11] <Tlan5> i have an acer V5 122p-0643 laptop
[01:11] <Tlan5> and the brightness controls do not work
[01:11] <Tlan5> also my my machine hangs up when i i do a shutdown
[01:11] <tripper> What would be hilarious would be if it somehow kept a reference to nouveau
[01:11] <Tlan5> it will reboot fine but hangs on shutdown
[01:12] <holstein> Tlan5: i would look for and apply all the upgrades.. in a terminal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. and reboot and test
[01:13] <tripper> It's odd; I've never had issues like this with *buntu distros before. It seems as if things just stopped "just working" from 11.04 onwards...
[01:13] <Tlan5> ok
[01:13] <Tlan5> also i noticed on boot up
[01:14] <Tlan5> that it says amd microcode failed to load
[01:14] <Tlan5> how do i install the latest amd microcode
[01:14] <holstein> tripper: make sure you let the driver manufacturer know you are having issues with the driver they are providing
[01:15] <tripper> holstein: Well, the driver itself seems to be all right. It doesn't cause hardware glitches or artifacts or anythingo f the sort.
[01:15] <tripper> My system just isn't playing nice with it.
[01:15] <tripper> Let's see if it's a config file doing it before we notify nvidia
[01:15] <holstein> tripper: they provide that config file
[01:16] <tripper> Hmm
[01:16] <holstein> tripper: the nvidia GUI creates that config file on my hardware where i use the proprietary nvidia driver
[01:16] <tripper> Okay, Poking iaround in /etc/X11
[01:16] <tripper> There's no xorg.conf
[01:16] <tripper> or xorg.conf.d
[01:16] <holstein> tripper: right.. doenst have to be
[01:17] <holstein> tripper: but, you can put one in place.. to specify the vesa driver.. might get you in
[01:17] <tripper> holstein: I'm wishiw I wolud have run nvidia-xconfig beore rebooting.
[01:17] <loloof64> Hello, I have an old Xubuntu installed on my PC, so I am downloading the latest. And I would like to know what is the fatest way to install it ?
[01:18] <loloof64> Without making a cd or liveusb
[01:18] <holstein> loloof64: take the hard drive to a machine that you can install using a CD or liveUSB
[01:18] <loloof64> Ok, thank you :)
[01:19] <loloof64> My understanding
[01:19] <loloof64> is that I must do use a live cd
[01:19] <loloof64> or live usb
[01:19] <holstein> loloof64: i didnt say "must".. im responding to the "fastest" question
[01:19] <loloof64> Sorry :p
[01:19] <loloof64> My question is bad formulated :p
[01:20] <loloof64> I just want to install from Xubuntu very old
[01:20] <loloof64> to latest Xubuntu
[01:20] <loloof64> So upgrading is not possible
[01:20] <loloof64> by Canonical
[01:20] <holstein> loloof64: sure.. i would do a fresh install
[01:20] <holstein> loloof64: you cannot boot cd on the machine?
[01:20] <loloof64> Yes :)
[01:21] <holstein> loloof64: then, why not make a live CD?
[01:21] <loloof64> Sure, it is a post 2000 machine :)
[01:21] <tripper> holstein: Okay, so I managed to do something good.
[01:21] <tripper> I chrooted into my install from the live CD and ran nvidia-xconfig.
[01:21] <holstein> loloof64: ok.. then, im not following why you are not just making a cd from the cd imaage
[01:21] <loloof64> Because I have to found a cd
[01:21] <tripper> Let's boot into my install and see if it runs ok now
[01:21] <loloof64> And it is still late in morning
[01:22] <loloof64> Because I have no cd
[01:22] <holstein> loloof64: ok.. and you have no USB? do you have USB booting capabilities?
[01:22] <loloof64> So I'll do it later :p
[01:22] <tripper> holstein: IT WORKS!
[01:22] <holstein> tripper: congrats
[01:22] <loloof64> I must check usb capabilities on BIOS
[01:23] <loloof64> I think I've done it before on this old machine ...
[01:23] <Tlan5> hey i can't install the amd microcode
[01:23] <holstein> Tlan5: you shouldnt need to
[01:24] <holstein> Tlan5: are you up to date with all the upgrades?
[01:24] <loloof64> I have to download for 12 minutes left, then I try with usb :) Thanks
[01:24] <Tlan5> when i typed dmesg | grep microcode
[01:24] <holstein> loloof64: enjoy!
[01:24] <Tlan5> says one of them has failed
[01:24] <holstein> Tlan5: did you upgrade the system?
[01:24] <loloof64> :)
[01:24] <Tlan5> yes
[01:24] <Tlan5> i ran that command you pasted
[01:25] <holstein> Tlan5: and, you rebooted?
[01:25] <holstein> Tlan5: you'll need to reboot into newer kernel upgrades
[01:25] <Tlan5> yes
[01:25] <holstein> ok.. what is not working?
[01:25] <Tlan5> how do i do that ?
[01:25] <holstein> Tlan5: you just reboot.. and you'll boot into a newer kernel, if one came in
[01:25] <Tlan5> ok
[01:26] <holstein> Tlan5: is there something about the machine that is not functioning?
[01:26] <Tlan5> here is my problem
[01:26] <Tlan5> yes
[01:26] <holstein> Tlan5: what?
[01:26] <Tlan5> the brightness controls on my laptops keyboard not working
[01:26] <holstein> Tlan5: OK.. i understand that.. but i dont think that is related to the microde situation
[01:26] <Tlan5> and when i press  FN + arrow up or down  the brightness icon pops up but also this display window opens
[01:26] <holstein> microcode*
[01:27] <holstein> Tlan5: "this display window" ?
[01:27] <Tlan5> it opens a new window each time i press the brightness buttons on the keyboard
[01:27] <Tlan5> yes
[01:27] <holstein> Tlan5: what opens?
[01:27] <Tlan5> the display window
[01:27] <Tlan5> its titled "Display"
[01:27] <holstein> Tlan5: sure.. what display window? do you have a screenshot?
[01:27] <Tlan5> shows my monitor res and refresh rate
[01:27] <Tlan5> you know in the control panel
[01:27] <Tlan5> you can click on "display"
[01:27] <holstein> Tlan5: i always keep in mind that the hardware may not support linux
[01:28] <holstein> Tlan5: what graphics card does the hardware have in it?
[01:28] <Tlan5> go into settings
[01:28] <Tlan5> you will see under hardware  "Display"
[01:28] <holstein> Tlan5: sure.. no need to go into the setings.. OK
[01:28] <Tlan5> this is the window that pops up each time i press brightness up or down
[01:28] <holstein> Tlan5: ok.. i understand.. a settings window opens
[01:28] <holstein> Tlan5: what graphics hardware?
[01:28] <Tlan5> yes a settings window titlled "display" opens
[01:29] <Tlan5> it seems like a bug
[01:29] <holstein> !bug
[01:29] <Tlan5> i was able to fix the volume marker bug
[01:29] <Tlan5> now i need to fix the brightness bug
[01:29] <Tlan5> but i think it has been solved
[01:29] <holstein> Tlan5: it might not be a bug.. so tell me what graphics hardware you have?
[01:29] <Tlan5> i know someone has had this issue
[01:29] <holstein> Tlan5: sure.. *i* have had that issue
[01:29] <Tlan5>  can i show you a website with the specs
[01:30] <holstein> Tlan5: i have had it on unsupported hardware
[01:30] <Tlan5> its an ACER V5 122p-0643
[01:30] <Tlan5> that is the model
[01:30] <holstein> Tlan5: what graphics driver is in the unity>
[01:30] <Tlan5> its an AMD APU A6 temash
[01:30] <holstein> unit*
[01:30] <Tlan5> it has a 8260D i believe
[01:30] <holstein> Tlan5: i'll wait while you confirm
[01:30] <Tlan5> its an ultra low power quad core runs between 1-1.4ghz
[01:30] <Tlan5> i got 10gb of ddr3 installed
[01:31] <Tlan5> and an samsung evo 840 120gb ssd
[01:31] <holstein> Tlan5: what graphics card do you have?
[01:31] <Tlan5> it has an apu
[01:31] <Tlan5> with the cpu and gpu together
[01:31] <Tlan5> the gpu side is an AMD Radeon HJD 8250
[01:31] <holstein> Tlan5: OK.. and what brand is it? what model?
[01:31] <holstein> !amd
[01:32] <holstein> !ati | Tlan5
[01:32] <Tlan5> i go the latest amd beta catalyst drivers installed
[01:32] <holstein> Tlan5: beta would be not supported... i would go to the ones in the official repos
[01:32] <holstein> Tlan5: otherwise, you'll see support from whomever provides the beta drivers you are using
[01:32] <holstein> !steam
[01:32] <Tlan5> no offical driver is aweful
[01:33] <holstein> ^^ can be handy
[01:33] <Tlan5> the catalyst beta is the only one that works
[01:33] <Tlan5> i don't think its a driver issue
[01:33] <holstein> Tlan5: ok.. you'll need to test with the official driver for official support here
[01:33] <Tlan5> i think its bug in xubuntu
[01:33] <Tlan5> like the sound volume icon bug
[01:33] <holstein> Tlan5: sure.. and i dont agree that its a bug
[01:33] <Tlan5> Argh i know someone here has had a similar issue
[01:33] <Tlan5> there is gotta be
[01:34] <holstein> Tlan5: i have had that issue..
[01:34] <Tlan5> why does the microcode not load?
[01:34] <Tlan5> what did you do to fix it ?
[01:34] <Tlan5> i tried lubuntu 13.10 before xubuntu 13.10
[01:34] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2011914
[01:34] <Tlan5> and lubuntu seemed laggier
[01:35] <holstein> Tlan5: lubuntu and xubuntu *are* ubuntu
[01:36] <holstein> Tlan5: let me know if you'd like to test with the official driver.. otherwise, report to the beta driver maintainers.. or feel free and see if someone comes along with first hand experience.. good luck!
[01:37] <Tlan5> what about this microcode issue
[01:37] <Tlan5> i have the same problem
[01:37] <Tlan5> what was the fix or command needed to fix it ?
[01:39] <loloof64> quit
[01:39] <loloof64> Apologizing
[01:39] <Tlan5> i found an newer amd microcode file
[01:40] <holstein> Tlan5: i wouldnt just start dropping in any code you find on the internet
[01:40] <holstein> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode is a nice read about microcode
[01:40] <holstein> it should just be included in the kernel
[01:41] <Tlan5> hmmm
[01:41] <Tlan5> yea i guess
[01:41] <holstein> you can try something from http://www.amd64.org/microcode.html , but i would be aware of what issues could be caused and who is responsible for support at that point
[01:55] <Tlan5> xubuntu still does not shut down
[01:55] <Tlan5> the icon spins then stops
[01:56] <Tlan5> i dunno what it is doing
[01:58] <holstein> Tlan5: you can troubleshoot that by trying from the terminal.. sudo shutdown -h now
[01:58] <holstein> Tlan5: you'll get some error messages.. you can try sudo halt
[01:59] <holstein> Tlan5: http://askubuntu.com/questions/125844/shutdown-does-not-power-off-computer
[01:59] <holstein> answer3 is worth a try
[02:06] <Tlan5> what is the latest kernel i can use
[02:08] <holstein> Tlan5: you can use whatever you choose to support on your own.. the latest kernel for you version is automatically upgraded to the version it is intended to be
[02:09] <holstein> Tlan5: when testing other kernels, you can always keep a few around.. the one you have now for example could be left in place
[02:11] <Tlan5> ok
[02:11] <Tlan5> i don't think iam going to do that
[02:11] <Tlan5> the brightness didn't work with the open or proprietary drivers
[02:12] <holstein> Tlan5: well, its a good idea to keep a 'known good' kernel around for backup
[02:14] <Tlan5> this is the microcode error i get
[02:15] <Tlan5>  failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd_fam16h.bin
[02:19] <Tlan5> when i loaded the catalyst driver does that get rid of any other video driver ?
[03:25] <xubuntu279> Anyone know why I'd get graphics lag in Firefox? The computer is fine but like scrolling down on an internet page just is really choppy.
[03:27] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu279:  firefox has a setting in its' preferences for smooth scrolling. looked at that?
[03:28] <xubuntu279> I have not. Didn't occur to me cause on all my other computers Firefox is smooth but I'll check it out and see if it makes it better.
[03:28] <well_laid_lawn> just an idea
[03:29] <well_laid_lawn> maybe try without compositing if that's being used
[03:30] <xubuntu279> I just installed the flash player plugin from the software center and it seems to be much smoother but still a bit choppy, gonna try what you told me.
[03:32] <xubuntu279> Yea smooth scrolling is selected.
[03:33] <xubuntu279> But it's not bad now after the flash install.
[03:34] <well_laid_lawn> great
[03:37] <xubuntu279> Everything's good besides Youtube. When trying to load a video it blows up.
[03:38] <well_laid_lawn> start firefox from a terminal so you can catch any errors mentioned
[03:39] <xubuntu279> I think that it's actually flash. Firefox is running fine but any videos won't load.
[03:42] <well_laid_lawn> I thought youtube moved to html5
[03:42] <cyphtor> you have to enable it
[03:42] <us}0gb> How?
[03:42] <cyphtor> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[03:42] <xubuntu279> I went to youtube and it made me install Flash. Installed it through software center and blew up.
[03:45] <cyphtor> things with DRM still won't always play nice
[03:45] <us}0gb> I tried setting it at that link, now most videos claim to be unavailable and the rest say I need to install Flash.
[03:46] <xubuntu279> I'm confused though. My work computer runs Xubuntu and plays any video perfectly fine. Reading reviews on the flash plugin it says that Adobe doesn't support Linux anymore.
[03:46] <us}0gb> Adobe doesn't support GNU/Linux, so you are using an old version of Flash.
[03:47] <us}0gb> The old versions of Flash are still available from back when you had support.
[03:47] <xubuntu279> So what's the solution to play videos?
[03:49] <cyphtor> my 13.1 install did flash fine with the default install
[03:49] <us}0gb> It depends. The solution I use is to not play them. If you are using Firefox or a fork, you can install a browser plugin to change YouTube to HTML5.
[03:49] <cyphtor> aside from stuff that has the DRM stuff that doesn't come with ubuntu (amazon prime, google play, not sure what else)
[03:50] <us}0gb> I would use the browser plugin, but Firefox's address bar bothers me too much, so I use Midori instead. No such plugin for me.
[03:50] <cyphtor> in which case your only option afaik is google's html5 DRM stuff in google chrome
[03:51] <xubuntu279> Well I installed Chrome and it doesn't even work when I try to run it.
[03:51] <us}0gb> Google Chrome's address bar is worse than Firefox's.
[03:51] <tlan5> hey i figured out why certain microcode didn't work
[03:52] <tlan5> its because i had the propritary catalyst driver
[03:52] <tlan5> and doesnt really mean anything
[03:53] <us}0gb> I wonder if my distribution even has Chrome ....
[03:53]  * us}0gb checks
[03:54] <us}0gb> Nope, seems not.
[03:54] <cyphtor> I've not been brave enough to try to get AMD's proprietary driver running on this install yet :Z
[03:55] <us}0gb> I don't have that driver either, and not having it bugs up my graphics a bit.
[03:56] <us}0gb> I went to the store to get a new Intel graphics card to replace it, but it seems my laptop doesn't have a swappable graphics card. I'm stuck with the bugs until I get a new machine.
[03:58] <cyphtor> yeah... sometimes I die a little inside from having a gaming card that I can't currently do a whole lot with
[03:58] <us}0gb> I don't even need something for gaming, I just wish my panel and random browser text would quit bugging up.
[03:59] <us}0gb> Though my gaming frame rate is about three much of the time, so that could be improved.
[03:59] <xubuntu279> 3 FPS?
[04:00] <us}0gb> Yes, three frames per second. Not all the time, but much of the time.  Checking model ...
[04:01] <us}0gb> Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS690M [Radeon Xpress 1200/1250/1270]
[04:02] <xubuntu279> But what games are you playing that it only gets 3 FPS?
[04:03] <us}0gb> Minetest. I haven't tried other games yet since removing the proprietary driver, but I used to get thirty to forty frames.
[04:05] <xubuntu279> Is that just pretty much open source minecraft?
[04:07] <us}0gb> Free (as in freedom) Minecraft, yes, but I've tried the real Minecraft too. I never liked the real Minecraft, even before I ditched the proprietary games.
[04:09] <xubuntu279> I got bored of Minecraft. My friends spend hour after hour making different servers and building different things that are later forgotten.
[04:09] <xubuntu279> They spend like 2 weeks on a server making it cool then when they finish they move on and forget about it.
[04:11] <xubuntu279> Quick question: How do you make it so that it stops asking for a password after starting up?
[04:11] <us}0gb> I used to build huge tunnels in Minetest, in a mad search for iron. But at three frames, that's not much fun.
[04:12] <us}0gb> You need your password to log into a server.
[04:12] <us}0gb> Unless you use no password, but then someone could hijack your account.
[04:12] <xubuntu279> that question is talking about Xubuntu, haha
[04:14] <us}0gb> OH! My bad.
[04:14] <us}0gb> There's a way, but I'm not sure what it is. THere's an option when you install it, but after you install it, you'll have to modify some setting that I don't know where is.
[04:15] <xubuntu279> Yea, I know. Whatever I'm giving this comp away I'll just set the password to "password" and let them deal with it every time they restart
[04:22] <xubuntu279> I don't get it, just plugged in a computer I have running Lubuntu and videos are running flawlessly.
[04:23] <xubuntu279> Yesterday I was working on another comp trying to get Lubuntu to run videos and it was futile.
[04:23] <holstein> xubuntu279: same kernel? and package sets? same version?
[04:24] <xubuntu279> I can't be sure but maybe not.
[04:24] <loloof64> Hello, Please, LiveUSB creator is under Windows what ______ is under Linux ?
[04:25] <ObrienDave> unetbootin
[04:25] <loloof64> What software must I use, plez
[04:25] <loloof64> please ?
[04:25] <ObrienDave> unetbootin
[04:25] <loloof64> Yes, I recall ,now
[04:25] <loloof64> Thanks :)
[04:25] <loloof64> Thanks a lot :)
[04:25] <loloof64> C you
[04:25] <ObrienDave> yw
[04:26] <ObrienDave> another happy customer ;P
[04:27] <xubuntu279> I've also been having difficulties with Xubuntu and videos. Could it be because this is Lubuntu 13.10 and I'm using Xubuntu 12.04?
[04:28] <holstein> xubuntu279: it would be more likely that, than a diffrence in lubuntu vs xubuntu
[04:28] <xubuntu279> Yea, but that doesn't rule out the issue of the two Lubuntu installs that both are 13.10.
[04:28] <holstein> xubuntu279: lubuntu and xubuntu are ubuntu.. but, there are differences in many packages, and the hardware they support between 12.04 and 13.10
[04:29] <xubuntu279> Unless it has to do with the one that had issues is just a terrible computer that I'm junking.
[04:30] <holstein> xubuntu279: whats the issue? graphics driver support? have you tried the steam suggested PPA's? ppa's are not officially supported, but you can easily try newer driver versions that way for troubleshooting
[04:31] <xubuntu279> Well that computer I've given up on. 900MHz processor and 380MB SDRAM. It runs Lubuntu fine but it's slow on the internet just due to the high intensity of how much stuff is on websites these days.
[04:31] <holstein> xubuntu279: i might run a machine like that without X
[04:34] <xubuntu279> I have a question on what's your opinion. This comp that I'm working on now is rather old, 2.6GHZ pentium 4 and 1GB DDR RAM, but I'm going to give it to my grandma cause she just watches TV all day and just would like to use the internet. Think leaving Lubuntu on this computer would be a good idea? It runs fine but I'm just worried about things breaking in the future and it not being Windows with easy updates and stuff.
[04:37] <holstein> xubuntu279: i turn off auto updates for folks like that.. i update them for that user.. its no more or less complex or easy windows vs linux.. just different
[04:37] <ObrienDave> LOL wait for next LTS and not have to worry about it for 5 years
[04:37] <holstein> xubuntu279: whatever OS you totally customize and make bullet proof for your grandma will work fine
[04:39] <xubuntu279> Yea. I'm just worried about if, for example, flash gets outdated and stops working and needs a workaround and I'm not within 1 thousand miles to get it running so videos work again.
[04:40] <holstein> xubuntu279: that can happen on *any* os
[04:41] <holstein> xubuntu279: you can do many things to be able to connect back in.. what i usually do is use chrome, which has a recent version of flash.. and i leave ssh if i want/need to upgrade for them
[04:41] <xubuntu279> Hmm, good idea.
[04:42] <holstein> splashtop, or teamviewer.. but, that assumes the machine is functional, and the network is up
[04:45] <xubuntu279> Ugh, leave it up to me to not remember the password I set when I installed it.
[05:44] <loloof64> Hello everyone, I don't manage to install any package on Xubuntu 13.10 32 bits.
[05:44] <loloof64> What information do you need in order to help me ?
[05:47] <ObrienDave> which packages are you trying to install?
[07:16] <mcohen> can anyone help me troubleshoot low eSATA speed on XUbuntu 12.04LTS?
[07:17] <mcohen> I'm running read/write tests between an external eSATA drive and an SSD, and having a bad time
[08:51] <Agge> Anyone know why the xubuntu install would hang after i press countuio on the preparing to install xubunto dialoge and what to do about it?
[08:53] <ObrienDave> Agge, can take a few minutes depending on your connection speed and system. be patient, it should work
[08:53] <Agge> ObrienDave, if it takes more then 2 houres and the mouse don't respond to imput?
[08:54] <Agge> or ctrl alt F1 or ctrl alt del dont work
[08:54] <ObrienDave> ummm, I would double check the ISO file checksum first
[08:55] <cfhowlett> ^^^^ always always ALWAYS take 1 minute for the md5sum!
[08:57] <ObrienDave> ^^^^ what he said ;)
[08:58] <Agge> 546a2ea1b57a2c3d525ae617eaa17d75 *xubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:58] <Agge> 546a2ea1b57a2c3d525ae617eaa17d75  xubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:59] <Agge> aperently it is the same
[08:59] <cfhowlett> Agge, indeed.
[08:59] <Agge> is it posibel to access a advance install so I can see whare it brakes?
[08:59] <ObrienDave> 546a2ea1b57a2c3d525ae617eaa17d75
[09:00] <ObrienDave> looks good
[09:01] <Agge> and no know bugs with installing on old amd64 athlon laptops?
[09:02] <cfhowlett> Agge, allow me to suggest you try lubuntu as it's optimized for older / lower spec machines
[09:04] <cfhowlett> !lubuntu
[09:04] <Agge> cfhowlett, thanks for the tips. that looks about exakty what I want :) just a fast lightwight system to install fast
[09:05] <Agge> hm the xubuntu live version works without any problem
[09:06] <ObrienDave> Agge, because it's self-contained to the ISO
[09:07] <Agge> yeah but the install brakes before it whrite to the disk
[09:07] <Agge> got past the crash point when running form the live
[09:07] <cfhowlett> Agge, make sure you've flashed the latest bios to that machine ...
[09:08] <Agge> cfhowlett, honestly I wouldn't know where to begin to do that
[09:09] <ObrienDave> start at the website for the manufacturer......
[09:09] <ObrienDave> see if there are any BIOS updates available.....
[09:10] <ObrienDave> probably have to D/L to floppy and boot computer to flash BIOS
[09:10] <Agge> will have to look at that after I get a system working on it
[09:10] <ObrienDave> you could do most of that from the live session you're in now
[09:12] <Agge> any recomendations on how to do the partition table? 200mb /boot 15gb / 2gb swap and the rest /home do that look good or would somthing else be recomended?
[09:13] <ObrienDave> you could make / a bit larger. most start at 20GB
[09:13] <Agge> ok thanks
[09:13] <ObrienDave> any other OSes installed?
[09:14] <Agge> nope
[09:14] <Agge> installing over an half arch install that I don't feel like fixing
[09:14] <ObrienDave> then unless you really need it, I wouldn't bother with /boot
[09:16] <Agge> ok I have usialy done had a /boot it was the way to do it when I learned linux
[09:17] <ObrienDave> that's fine. if it works for you, that's what matters :)
[09:17] <ObrienDave> my / is 30GB btw
[09:18] <elfy> 16Gb here - half empty - but I keep data elsewhere
[09:18] <elfy> lied - 12Gb
[09:18] <ObrienDave> I'm a pack rat, hate deleting anything ;P
[09:19] <elfy> and Iv'e got ~70Mb in /boot with 2 kernels
[09:21] <ObrienDave> i don't even like deleting old kernels LOL
[09:22] <Agge> ObrienDave, I agree you newer know when you need them :)
[09:23] <ObrienDave> fortunately, i've only had to regress 2 or 3 times for wi-fi issues. *knock on wood*
[09:24] <Agge> I got some strange errors on an other system whare mesa told me that I couldent use a pre 2.4 kernel. when I was using a 3.10
[09:24]  * elfy has only ever needed to go back one - hence only having 2
[09:25] <Agge> looks like the install works now. might have been that I klicked the install mp3 stiuff
[09:25] <elfy> Agge: but if you're not going to be removing kernels then I'd either not bother with /boot or make it larger - personally I'd not bother
[09:26] <ObrienDave> i've never had an issue installing the mp3 stuff
[09:26] <Agge> I usialy move the older kernel to an other backup if the space run out
[09:26] <ObrienDave> i do turn off "install updates"
[09:27] <Agge> I did that also
[09:27] <ObrienDave> cool
[09:28] <Agge> yeah I want the system upp and running fast updating stuff can hapand later :)
[09:30]  * ObrienDave drums fingers waiting on new trusty daily to be built ;P
[10:33] <xubuntu633> HELLLOOO
[10:34] <xubuntu633> ANNYYYBBOOODDYY OUTTT THTEEEEREE??? IIII NEEEED HEEEELLPPPP
[10:34] <xubuntu633> ;);):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
[10:34] <xubuntu633> ppppllllssssssssssssssssss
[10:36] <freedomrun> xubuntu633, can you just ask your question?
[10:36] <baizon> !ask | xubuntu633
[10:38] <msev> guys is there a way to resize just a specific icon, and leave others same size (smaller)?
[10:39] <koegs> i dont think so
[10:39] <koegs> msev: are you talking about desktop icons?
[10:40] <msev> yep, or icons in the file manager
[10:40] <koegs> file manager, definitely not
[10:41] <koegs> on the desktop, you could create a custom panel with a certain icon size
[10:41] <msev> and make it transparent for example, gotcha, nice idea
[10:42] <msev> ty
[10:42] <koegs> np
[11:00] <msev> another thing koegs , in htop I'm getting from 0-10% of usage of /usr/bin/X :0 -core -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswutcg -background none
[11:01] <msev> I've google'd it and found out its x-server which is essential, I'm asking if I can optimize it so it'll use less resources
[11:01] <koegs> what kind of vga card do you have?
[11:03] <koegs> but yes, depending whats happening on your screen, thats pretty normal i would say
[11:03] <msev> nvidia geforce 8600gt m 256mb
[11:05] <koegs> did you install any driver?
[11:05] <msev> yep
[11:05] <msev> i'm not using noveau
[11:06] <msev> 310.44
[11:06] <koegs> not sure if disabling "compositing" will help
[11:08] <xubuntu633> can somebody help me please?
[11:08] <xubuntu633> im hgaving troubles installing amd drivers
[11:08] <xubuntu633> i have typed in the updates and it downloaded
[11:09] <xubuntu633> but right when i type " --lsa" it says no drivers is detected
[11:09] <xubuntu633> at step 3: http://www.cryptobadger.com/2013/04/build-a-litecoin-mining-rig-linux/
[11:11] <msev> i'll try updating the nvidia driver to 331, might help
[14:31] <Agge> Looks like it is a bug in the instalation that couse it to crash if the "install third party software" is enabled
[15:01] <ball> If a printer vendor offers drivers for Ubuntu, would those usually work with Xubuntu too?
[15:04] <GridCube> yes
[15:04] <GridCube> at that level xubuntu is exactly the same as mainbuntu
[15:16] <ball> Thankyou.
[15:21] <thebope> Hi, if I have two accounts and would like to use one but have the other continue to receive network connections is that possible?
[15:21] <thebope> My company has licensing software on an account which needs to be accessible but my coworker would like to use the other account for day to day work
[15:24] <krytarik> thebope: Sure, just switch users then, rather than logging the other one out completely.
[15:25] <thebope> krytarik, sweet thanks. It was a hard question to google I couldn't find any information or anything in settings manager
[15:27] <GridCube> thebope, you can also be logged using both accounts in different x servers
[15:29] <thebope> Hmm not exactly sure about x servers GridCube
[15:29] <thebope> I'm relatively  new to xubuntu
[15:32] <GridCube> thebope, the session you are using resides in an xserver running on the "F7" if you press ctrl-alt-F1 to F6 you can access to the TTYs, those are the text terminals, you can be logged with a different user in each one of this terminal access, on F7 (ctrl-alt-F7) resides the xserver that provides a gui, you can force the system to create a new xserver in F8 for a different user xserver
[15:33] <thebope> Oh wow thats really cool, thanks GridCube
[15:34] <thebope> Oh wow I wasn't expecting that when I pressed alt-ctrl-f1
[15:35] <thebope> Sweet though, cool I'll have to explore these a bit
[15:36] <GridCube> thebope, http://askubuntu.com/questions/154973/is-it-possible-to-start-an-additional-x-server-after-the-system-boots-in-12-04
[15:36] <GridCube> for how to start new xsessions
[15:37] <thebope> Ahh thats great, so everytime my coworker logged in, the other user could be logged in automatically
[15:37] <GridCube> thebope, also if an user is accessing a system remotelly and they have the proper permissions they can do whatever they can do as if they where in the chair next to the computer
[15:37] <thebope> yea thats true
[15:37] <GridCube> yes
[15:37] <thebope> Although it's not exactly *accessing* the system, more just pinging it requests
[15:38] <thebope> theres no ssh access or anything along those lines
[15:38] <GridCube> then it should not matter if they are loged or not, as far as i understand
[15:38] <GridCube> as long as the service is running then it would not matter
[15:38]  * GridCube knowledge on networking is very sparce
[16:21] <sab3r> hello! I just bought a new lenovo laptop and installed Xubuntu on it. Apparently It doesnt show any wireless networks in xubuntu's network manager. Also if I connect the ethernet cable nothing happens..
[16:24] <sab3r> any Ideas? The card works because I could ping myself. The card is: Intel Corporation Device [8086:1559]
[18:12] <xubuntu919> Есть русские?
[18:12] <bazhang> !ru
[18:12] <xubuntu919> Russian?
[18:13] <xubuntu919> Русские?)
[18:13] <bazhang>  #ubuntu-ru xubuntu919
[19:34] <sybrjt> Hi everyone. =) Anyone here familiar with the volume indicator bug with xubuntu 13.10?
[19:35] <knome> j #canonical-sysadmin
[20:17] <Stiffi> Hi @ all, i have a question about xubuntu. I installed the version 13.10 and after the installation i started it. The problem i have is, that only one window is activ and i cant do other stuff outside this window. Did anyone know a solution?
[21:51] <soman> Does anyone know if xfce4-xkb-plugin will be included in 14.04 by default?
[21:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> Dunno
[21:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I didn't know it was installed by default now
[21:52] <soman> in 12.04 user should manually doanload that package and install
[21:54] <Unit193> Looks like it's default in Saucy at least, and I don't remember it getting dropped.
[22:43] <puff> My xorg is at 103% of cpu, according to top.  It seems to do this almost daily, sometimes more than once a day.  This seemed to starta few weeks ago, after I applied a batch of updates.
[22:43] <puff> In the past, it occasionally happened because I had a hundred chrome windows open :-).  Now it happens even if I only have half a dozen chrome windows open.


[00:30] <LarryB> Kubuntu 16.10 drains my laptop battery quicker than other Linux distros I have ( I multi-boot stuff ) -- anyone else have this problem?
[00:35] <krytarik> !16.10
[00:37] <LarryB> thanks for info and link
[00:38] <LarryB> don't have hope for better battery life with newer versions -- maybe it's Plasma?
[00:39] <LarryB> anyway, cheers -- need to walk the dog
[00:54] <chomwitt>  is there a gui tool to make a mount of a internal hdd permanent or i should edit fstab ?
[00:54] <chomwitt> i use 17.10
[01:19] <chomwitt> no video while playing mp4, avi, flv in 17.10
[01:19] <chomwitt> only sound
[02:50] <leon__> oh boy...
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:01] <IrcsomeBot1> Emanuele Alfano was removed by: Emanuele Alfano
[15:08] <HKitain> hey, can anyone gimme a standard /etc/apt/sources.list for artful?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> HKitain, https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[15:11] <HKitain> thanks!
[15:14] <HKitain> does do-release-upgrade do anything special outside editing sources and doing a dist-upgrade? i apparently was a bit late on upgrading from 17.04
[15:14] <HKitain> and it rejects doing an upgrade at all
[15:18] <BluesKaj> HKitain, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[15:24] <nils_> HKitain, yeah I had a bit of trouble as well, you also need to set the default release in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00default-release
[15:29] <BluesKaj> nils_,  /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ file is used for ppas , don't think there's there's aneed for that
[15:29] <nils_> I think you're thinking of sources.list.d
[15:30] <BluesKaj> oh right, my mistake
[15:30] <BluesKaj> still why would he nee to change it there?
[15:32] <HKitain> i was under the impression default-release was a debian thing, not an ubuntu thing
[15:32] <nils_> worked for me, changed it to artful, do-release-update, do all the nils_ specific stuff and Bob's your uncle.
[15:32] <nils_> may be that I have it because I also have a few Debian packages on my system.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> HKitain, that file doesn't exist in my debian buster release
[15:34] <BluesKaj> but then it's a test OS, so who knows
[15:38] <nils_> It may be that it's only needed when you use things from other releases.
[17:35] <helgau> hi, does anyone know what provides qt5-linguist, qt5-assistant, etc?
[17:35] <helgau> i wanna delete them, but i can't find them in apt
[22:26] <memphisto> Hi
[22:26] <memphisto> is there a workaround for dophin not to show the snaps
[22:26] <memphisto> snap loop devices
[22:40] <valorie> memphisto: yes, they disappear in the newer versions of dolphin and plasma
[22:41] <memphisto> i know, but i'm using LTS vesion and like to keep it that way
[22:41] <memphisto> thats why i ask for workaround
[22:41] <memphisto> currently on kubuntu 16.04
[22:47] <valorie> have you installed backports?
[22:47] <valorie> dunno if that fix made it in that far back
[22:47] <valorie> 18.04 will be LTS
[22:47] <valorie> and certainly have it
[22:48] <memphisto> yes,i'm waiting for it
[22:49] <memphisto> no backports, clean LTS


[01:17] <Kimmono> thewrath: try #wikileaks
[01:42] <cap> is there a way to get indiator to launch thunderbird and pidgin?
[01:45] <aveilleux> cap: You mean to have them display in the indicator-applet?
[01:46] <cap> yeah, pidgin shows up in there but not thunderbird.  It be nice to remove the things I don't use from there as well.
[01:47] <aveilleux> cap: Thunderbird has a plugin called FireTray. Look for it in Tools > Add-Ons > Search
[01:48] <aveilleux> cap: You can remove programs from the indicator applet by going to that program's prefs and disabling the tray icon.
[01:52] <cap> that's pretty neat.  Is there no way to have thunderbirds icon show up where the old mail one did?
[01:53] <aveilleux> cap: Can you rephrase that question?
[01:53] <aveilleux> cap: You mean remove the mail icon and put in Firetray?
[01:53] <cap> yeah. sorry
[02:13] <aveilleux> cap: You have to add Firetray, then remove the applet that contains the messaging icon
[02:17] <cap> I don't think I understand fully.  Where can I add/remove applets.
[02:18] <aveilleux> cap: Right-click, "Remove from Tray".
[02:18] <aveilleux> cap: Removing that applet will also remove your volume control applet, but I can help you get it back.
[02:19] <nit-wit> aveilleux, are you using the startup and gnome-volume-control-applet
[02:19] <cap> i have a "Remove from Panel"option
[02:21] <aveilleux> cap: That one
[02:22] <aveilleux> nit-wit: Yes
[02:22] <cap> ok, done.
[02:23] <aveilleux> cap: Did you install Firetray
[02:23] <aveilleux> ?
[02:24] <cap> yeah.
[02:24] <aveilleux> cap: It's showing up, yeah?
[02:25] <cap> yeah.
[02:26] <cap> but what I would like is for the thunderbird icon to have been in the panel I just removed.
[02:26] <kristian-aalborg> hi
[02:27] <kristian-aalborg> can somebody help me get wireless working?
[02:27] <kristian-aalborg> I have a pcmcia card - MA401(RA) Rev.D
[02:27] <kristian-aalborg> it lists as eth1 for some reason
[02:27] <nit-wit> aveilleux, cool I figured as such
[02:27] <kristian-aalborg> if I turn it on with ifconfig, I can see the available networks
[02:28] <aveilleux> cap: You mean indicator-applet? The mail icon isn't in indicator-applet.
[02:28] <aveilleux> Er,
[02:28] <aveilleux> The Thunderbird icon doesn't appear in indicator-applet.
[02:28] <aveilleux> It appears in System Tray.
[02:29] <cap> ok that makes sense, so there's no way to get it to appear in the inicator-applet?
[02:29] <aveilleux> cap: No, because that's not the way it's designed.
[02:30] <cap> fair enough
[02:31] <aveilleux> cap: Is there any particular reason you need it in there>
[02:31] <aveilleux> ?
[02:31] <paultag> cap[asso] ?
[02:31] <cap> i just liked the layout of it.  yeee paul
[02:32] <paultag> cap: <3
[02:33] <aveilleux> cap: The layout? The system tray performs the same function.
[02:36] <cap> I just thought I'd be able to add and remove programs to the indicator app
[02:36] <cap> no big deal though.
[02:43] <paultag> cap: rewrite it dide, that's what the CS degree is for, mang
[02:43] <paultag> dude *
[02:43] <paultag> man I'm lagging
[02:45] <cap> gotta work on my C skills first
[02:46] <paultag> bbl, just a moment
[02:46] <cap> speaking of which, know of a good guide to setting up dev enviornments and what not?
[02:48] <kristian-aalborg> lspci does not show the card, but lspcmcia does
[03:20] <tux414> I have a gateway NV79 with Intel core i3 processor and intel HD Graphics card. I am having trouble viewing the screen when I upgrade to 10.10. (The screen is completely dark until I do the system testing.) I can only view things on the laptop when i complete the system check. Plus my sound works on 10.10 but not on 10.04
[10:11] <Silver_Fox_> Good day
[10:14] <Puck`> hello Silver_Fox_ (:
[10:15] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Puck` . How are you?
[10:34] <Puck`> doing okay thank you, working on a new site again (:
[10:50] <Silver_Fox_> Sounds fun Puck`
[11:51] <hajour> hai
[11:53] <nlsthzn> alo
[11:53] <hajour> hai nlsthzn
[11:53] <nlsthzn> hajour: how are you?
[11:54] <hajour> o alright thanks . and how are you nlsthzn
[11:55] <nlsthzn> hajour: always good :p (lol@using support channels for idle chatting)
[11:57] <hajour> a ok.:)
[12:06] <alvin1> hi there
[12:08] <alvin1> does anybody know why the icon panel changes/removes programs on display
[12:44] <Assembler> has anyone got XPS L501x laptop ?
[12:44] <Assembler> I am facing a USB live boot problem in ubuntu 10.10.
[12:45] <Assembler> any suggestions ?
[12:47] <Silver_Fox_> Where does it fail Assembler  ?
[12:47] <Silver_Fox_> Is it even attempting to boot?
[12:49] <Assembler> yes, system is booting and itś asking for the choices. But when i am trying to install the os it is showing some error msg.
[12:50] <Assembler> it is showing some kind of live run file missing.
[12:52] <Assembler> I tried is several times but again and again same message is displayed.
[13:44] <hajour> hai MichelleQ1
[14:32] <pip_> .
[14:48] <hajour> pip just ask your question:)
[14:50] <hajour> if you dont say it then they dont know what your problem is
[14:51] <pedro3005> hajour, maybe all his keys are broken except for  .
[14:52] <hajour> no pedro little afraid
[14:52] <hajour> pedro3005,  i mean
[14:52] <pedro3005> I was kidding, haakoo
[14:52] <pedro3005> hajour *
[14:53] <hajour> i now pedro3005 but pip maybe not
[14:54] <pedro3005> hajour, he was probably testing his client or something
[14:55] <hajour> pip have say :sad, can't install 11.04 alpha :-(
[14:57] <hajour> pedro3005,  above this line
[17:31] <br1_> hi!! guess somebody could help me??
[17:32] <br1_> hellooo??
[17:32] <br1_> anyone??
[17:33] <hajour> hai br1_
[17:33] <br1_> hi...
[17:33] <br1_> I just wanted to know how to delete a folder that has a lil lock on the up right corner
[17:33] <hajour> sometimes it takes a little bit of time for someone react.
[17:34] <br1_> guess those are locked for editing... everytime i try it says permission denied
[17:34] <br1_> or smth like that
[17:35] <hajour> better to asking your question right away.the one wo knows about it will respons
[17:35] <br1_> ok... so someone could please help me??
[17:37] <karthick87> br1_: what's the problem?
[17:37] <hajour> i have ask for you have a momeny ok?because i am not known very mutch from it
[17:38] <karthick87> br1_: if it is locked then try sudo rm -R /path/to/that/folder
[17:38] <karthick87> br1_: but what folder you are going to delete?
[17:39] <cap> I want to learn php.  Any good articles you guys recommend?  I also need something to help get a dev environment setup
[17:39] <br1_> I used testdisk to recover a pictures folder, it saved in home/user but now that i retrieved the pics I can not delete it!!
[17:40] <stlsaint_mobile> yo
[17:40] <Geocosm> sudo rm -R /home/user/FOLDERNAME
[17:40] <Geocosm> where FOLDERNAMe is the name of your pictures folder. :)
[17:41] <Geocosm> stlsaint_mobile St.L. like St. Louis?
[17:42] <br1_> oki'll try it rigt away
[17:44] <br1_> AWESOME!! you guys rock!!
[17:44] <br1_> now could you please tell me... what hapenned?
[17:46] <geekosopher> br1_: may be had to run that program as a root?
[17:47] <geekosopher> i meant the testdisk program
[17:48] <br1_> yeah... i'm kinda new to Ubuntu so...
[17:48] <br1_> but thank you very much guys fior your help
[17:49] <geekosopher> br1_: anytime... and its not difficult to learn ubuntu
[17:50] <karthick87> br1_: Glad it worked :)
[17:51] <geekosopher> I don't understand this... package 'gcc' installs gcc-4.4 when gcc-4.5 is already available! why?
[17:52] <pleia2> br1_: "root" is like the administrative user, they can do anything, so when you put "sudo" in front of a command it runs that command as the administrative "root" user
[17:53] <pleia2> geekosopher: gcc-4.5 isn't in ubuntu yet
[17:54] <geekosopher> apt-cache policy gcc-4.5 shows that 4.5.1 is there in main archives of maverick
[17:54] <geekosopher> pleia2: ^
[17:55] <pleia2> hmm
[17:55] <paultag> !info gcc natty
[17:55] <paultag> damn you, ubot2
[17:55] <ubot2> paultag: gcc (source: gcc-defaults (1.97ubuntu3)): The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.5.1-1ubuntu3 (natty), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[17:55] <pleia2> yeah, oops, I had a typo in my search
[17:55] <pleia2> 4.4 is still the default in maverick
[17:55] <paultag> !info gcc maverick
[17:55] <geekosopher> paultag: didn't know you had to curse the bot to get the answer :D
[17:56] <pleia2> hehe
[17:56] <ubot2> paultag: gcc (source: gcc-defaults (1.93ubuntu2)): The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.4.4-1ubuntu2 (maverick), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[17:56] <paultag> geekosopher: you have to hurt it's feelings for it to justify an answer to you
[17:56] <paultag> +1 pleia2 :)
[17:56] <pleia2> morning, paultag!
[17:56] <paultag> pleia2: morning! :)
[17:58] <geekosopher> so whats the reason, paultag, pleia2 ? Is there any house secret?
[17:58] <tenach> G'morning everyone.
[17:58] <Silver_Fox_> o/
[17:59] <geekosopher> tenach: its time to say good night here :)
[17:59] <pleia2> geekosopher: versions only get into ubuntu once they are thoroughly tested and stable
[17:59] <pleia2> 4.5 doesn't seem to have made it in time
[17:59] <pleia2> now that maverick has been released, the version number won't change
[18:00] <tenach> o/ Silver_Fox_
[18:01] <Silver_Fox_> Hello tenach
[18:01] <tenach> geekosopher: even if I wake up in the middle of the night, I consider "morning" to be when I first wake up for my day :D
[18:01] <tenach> Long time no see, Silver_Fox_ :D  How are you?
[18:01] <geekosopher> oh, I see, since I just started looking at this, may be it was 4.4 at the time when maverick was being developed
[18:01] <pleia2> geekosopher: yep :)
[18:02] <geekosopher> ok, but now that 4.5 is there in main, I guess it is stable enough to be installed?
[18:02] <pleia2> yeah, you can install it
[18:03] <geekosopher> thanks for that
[18:03] <pleia2> it just won't be the default one that was used to compile everything else, so if you do something like compile a kernel module it won't build properly against the stock ubuntu kernel
[18:03] <pleia2> but for building you own stuff and other things from source, it should be fine :)
[18:03] <geekosopher> actually I am trying to teach myself C. Any pointers for online resources?
[18:04] <paultag> HA!
[18:04] <paultag> see that could be taken two ways
[18:04] <paultag> 0x0FADEAD0FBEEF
[18:04] <paultag> there you are
[18:04] <paultag> It's funny because C uses pointers
[18:04] <paultag> get it? Ha!
[18:04] <geekosopher> paultag: got it :)
[18:05] <paultag> geekosopher: http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~simhaweb/C/lectures/module1/module1.html
[18:09] <geekosopher> one more thing, I just read somewhere that C++ is more recent than C and has more functions and all... so should I be learning C++ so that it will involve learning C "plus" as bit more? What is used more linux environment?
[18:09] <paultag> geekosopher: no, C++ is more of a "fork"
[18:09] <paultag> geekosopher: it's C with objects and a slightly changed syntax
[18:09] <paultag> but valid C is valid C++
[18:10] <geekosopher> paultag: ok, thanks!
[18:10] <paultag> :)
[18:12] <geekosopher> just asking for an opinion here... being a non-tech guy, how should I go about learning programming?
[18:13] <pedro3005> paultag, I would have laugh had you not explained it
[18:13] <pedro3005> :P
[18:13] <geekosopher> many people say C is like the 'abc' of programming... and should be learnt first
[18:13] <pedro3005> laughed*
[18:13] <tenach> geekosopher: I disagree with that... haha.
[18:13] <pedro3005> geekosopher, my first language was python, I learned C after that
[18:14] <paultag> pedro3005: <3 :)
[18:14] <tenach> My first language was Visual Basic 6, then PHP... I'm now learning myself C
[18:14] <geekosopher> ok, so that breaks a myth
[18:15] <pedro3005> yeah, I bet paultag's first language was machine code
[18:15] <tenach> pedro3005: he *is* machine code, so I'd agree. Unless he doesn't know of/about himself, which I doubt.
[18:15] <tenach> ;D
[18:15] <pleia2> I find it's most useful to learn something that is useful to you at the time, my first programming was writing scripts for an IRC client, then web programming so I could make a site, etc etc
[18:16] <pedro3005> geekosopher, and tenach is giving php classes soon!
[18:16] <pleia2> I tried to learn java back in 2000, failed miserably because I didn't have a solid application for it
[18:16] <geekosopher> pedro3005: I would love to attend them
[18:16] <pedro3005> tenach, you should talk to pleia2 about the classes if you haven't already
[18:17] <pleia2> geekosopher: once they are scheduled, they'll pop up on http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhandler/classroom.html
[18:17] <tenach> pedro3005: what are you talking about?
[18:17] <pleia2> that's the ubuntu classroom calendar, has all upcoming class events (none scheduled right now, sad!)
[18:17] <geekosopher> pleia2: bookmarked that
[18:17] <pedro3005> tenach, she is in the classroom team
[18:18] <tenach> pedro3005: ah, right.
[18:19] <geekosopher> I already have a 'ubuntu learning events' calendar added to my list of google cals... is that different?
[18:19] <pleia2> tenach: yeah, just give me a nudge when you decide upon a time :)
[18:19] <pedro3005> tenach, you made me doubt my own sanity there
[18:19] <pleia2> geekosopher: oh, it's the same calendar :)
[18:19] <geekosopher> ok
[18:19] <tenach> pedro3005: <3 You're welcome.
[18:19] <pedro3005> geekosopher, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Academy/IntroToPython might be interesting to you if you decided to give python a chance
[18:20] <pedro3005> decide*
[18:20] <pedro3005> I fail at typing today
[18:20] <pleia2> python certainly is one of the most popular languages in the ubuntu community, and it's a good one to learn in general
[18:21] <geekosopher> so if any one programming language is not a stepping stone to programming, is there anything like programming concepts or fundamentals that I need to learn first?
[18:21] <tenach> You learn a lot about logic while programming, which carries across all languages (and even non-programming fields/daily life)
[18:21] <paultag> +10000
[18:22] <tenach> geekosopher: I would just say go in to learning with an open mind. There aren't necessarily any prerequisites.
[18:22] <pedro3005> yeah
[18:22] <geekosopher> ok
[18:22] <pedro3005> when you have a problem, stop and ask yourself
[18:22] <pedro3005> What would Guido do?
[18:22] <tenach> geekosopher: Other than a willingness to learn and be challenged with problems :)
[18:22] <pedro3005> :P
[18:22] <pleia2> pedro3005: haha
[18:23] <asterismo> hi people
[18:23] <asterismo> i have a problema
[18:23] <asterismo> problem
[18:24] <pleia2> !ask
[18:24] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[18:24] <geekosopher> yes, ubot2 answers that real fast
[18:25] <pedro3005> he's highly trained
[18:25] <pedro3005> studied for years in the buddhist schools of fast typing
[18:26] <geekosopher> oh, is it 'he'? be careful!
[18:26] <pleia2> I am pretty sure the ubot2s are female
[18:26] <pleia2> !gender
[18:26] <ubot2> yes, I can confirm I am a female bot :)
[18:26] <geekosopher> hehehe
[18:27] <pedro3005> my uhh.... s key got stuck
[18:27]  * pedro3005 hides
[18:27] <asterismo> with last updates on maverick, my keyboard lost the ability of type a character and keeping writing it when i hold the press in that character, i.e. for deleting an entire word, i have to press several times the backspace key, it stopped working the hold on and deleting...
[18:27] <geekosopher> rotfl
[18:29] <asterismo> anyone?
[18:29] <pleia2> asterismo: can you look at your keyboard preferences? there is an option for changing that behavior
[18:29] <pleia2> should be: system > preferences > keyboard
[18:31] <geekosopher> ok, gn guys (and gals) :)
[18:31] <pleia2> night geekosopher
[18:34] <tenach> Night geekosopher
[18:34] <asterismo> ok!
[18:34] <asterismo> it was activated! but not working...
[18:34] <asterismo> i switched on/off again
[18:34] <asterismo> and it worls now
[18:34] <asterismo> works now
[18:35] <asterismo> thanks pleia2
[18:35] <asterismo> !thanks
[18:35] <ubot2> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[18:35] <pleia2> sounds like the update just did something a little funny, glad it's working now :)
[18:35] <asterismo> yeah
[18:35] <asterismo> btw
[18:36] <asterismo> does anybody uses PCSX2 for PlayStation 2 emulation?
[18:38] <asterismo> my 5 year old son wants to play with a cartoon network character Ben10 and the only game i could find is for nintendo DS and PS2
[18:39] <asterismo> the nintendo DS is quite low resolution and tried to make PCSX2 run, but i have trouble for setting up the bios files
[18:39] <asterismo> i downloaded some bios files but don't know exactly what they mean, or how many files should i put in the /bios directory
[18:40] <asterismo> it keeps segfault, or freezing the app
[18:44] <pedro3005> hmm, sorry, I've never ran it
[19:17] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[19:17] <kristian-aalborg> I can't wrap my head around getting mpd to stream on my laptop
[19:18] <kristian-aalborg> I have it on the desktop already
[19:50] <Geocosm> What's MPD?
[19:51] <bioterror> music player daemon
[19:57] <Geocosm> Ah never used it. I use PS3 Media Server to stream stuff to my PS3.
[20:28] <stlsaint_mobile> hey folks
[20:30] <bioterror> hi
[20:30] <nlsthzn> hello :)
[21:17] <stlsaint_mobile> quiet
[22:44] <x77a1> how to install x sensors on ubuntu 10.10
[22:44] <x77a1> ????
[22:47] <geirha> By installing the xsensors package I would assume. There's one in Ubuntu 10.04 at least, have you looked for it in Ubuntu 10.10?
[22:47] <geirha> In   Applications -> Ubuntu Software Center   that is
[22:50] <x77a1> its not downloadinf
[22:50] <x77a1> giving someerrors
[22:51] <geirha> What errors?
[22:52] <x77a1> its saying could not find the package
[22:52] <geirha> Hm. Could be the downloaded package lists are out of date
[22:53] <x77a1> hmm
[22:53] <aveilleux> x77a1: Try running this command in Terminal: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lm-sensors xsensors
[22:55] <x77a1> ya got it ty
[22:56] <aveilleux> x77a1: You're welcome.


[00:52] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, LimCore said: !ops channel is being trolled
[00:55] <mneptok> !staff @a88-113-59-133.elisa-laajakaista.fi just had 5-6 clones in #ubuntu
[00:56] <mneptok> bah
[00:56] <mneptok> !staff
[00:56] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[00:56] <mneptok> ^^^^^^^
[01:34] <Gary> mneptok?
[01:35] <Gary> ahh
[01:37] <Pici> Don't worry. I don't think he'll be summoned unless you say his name three times.
[01:43]  * mneptok farts erotically
[02:26] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-us-nm, tritium said: ubot3: brainstorm is A new feedback site for suggesting ideas for improvements to Ubuntu at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/.
[03:04]  * mneptok meeps at Myrtti
[05:22] <Jordan_U> "<Guest15624> ZAHUYARENSHENPIZDROCHERESPLECHOYEBANISCHENKO" in #ubuntu
[05:22] <nickrud> watching
[05:27] <nalioth> Jordan_U: is that you?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> no, it's Jordan_U just pretending
[05:27] <nalioth> are you sure, Hobbsee ?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> no
[05:27] <nalioth> whoever it is, is unidentified
[05:31] <Myrtti> mneptok: meep?
[05:32] <nickrud> now that's lag
[05:34] <Myrtti> huh?
[07:00] <Myrtti> I thought DrDerek was banned in -ot
[07:01] <nalioth> i think his ban was removed earlier
[07:23] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (Templario)
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: that's a ban-evader, btw
[07:24] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: yeah :(
[07:35] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, ZXC314 said: ubotu, that is so weird though, live cd works on my dell laptop (inspiron 8500) and the dimension is just a P4 with a gig of ram nothing special or odd
[07:35] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ZXC314 about yourself
[08:14] <Hobbsee> Gary: about time to look for a canonicalite, no?  :)
[08:15] <Gary> Hobbsee: I've given up
[08:15] <Gary> they no listen
[08:15] <Hobbsee> Gary: yeah, i'm waiting for gerry or kat.
[08:16] <Gary> I cannot believe they spent money on a domain
[08:16] <Hobbsee> yeah...
[08:16] <Hobbsee> even though it's only $10
[08:16] <Hobbsee> it's just *asking* for trouble
[08:17] <nixternal> you are trying to hide from me aren't you? :p
[08:17] <Hobbsee> nope
[08:18] <nixternal> suuuuure
[08:18] <nixternal> no worries, I can just pop it upon riddell anyways :)
[08:18] <nixternal> it isn't like Hardy is coming out tomorrow or anything
[08:54] <stdin> e
[08:54] <stdin> opps
[09:40] <stdin> Hobbsee: in case you didn't know: [09:37]<wols> there is a user "[debian] -!- Hobbsee_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>impersonating hobbsee and trolling
[10:25] <Hobbsee> stdin: where?
[10:26] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: irc.debian.org I think
[10:27] <Hobbsee> ah yeah
[10:27] <jpatrick> might have gone by now..
[10:27]  * Hobbsee snorts
[10:30] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: it was the cat.
[10:31] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: right...
[10:31] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: the cat is the one that always hijacks the keyboard, right?
[10:31] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: yep, I've had experience with that :)
[10:32] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: and sends notices to channels
[10:33] <jussi01> heya Hobbsee and jpatrick
[10:34] <jussi01> cat... meh
[10:38] <ubotu> LongKat called the ops in #ubuntu (stdin narc)
[10:38] <jpatrick> eh?
[10:38] <tonyyarusso> what was that one about Amaranth ?
[10:38] <jpatrick> troll I think
[10:39] <Amaranth> stdin called ops on him a couple days ago
[10:39] <tonyyarusso> aah
[10:39] <Amaranth> and he did that narc thing then too
[10:39] <Amaranth> i guess he managed to evade the ban
[15:56] <jussi01> hehe, thats funny, Ive never noticed the slight grammatical error in !paste (can anyone else see it?)
[15:56] <jussi01> !paste
[15:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[15:56] <Pici> I thought I fixed that.
[15:57] <jussi01> obviously not
[15:57] <jussi01> hehe
[15:57] <Pici> !pastebin =~ s/lines texts/lined text/
[15:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[15:58] <jussi01> hrmmm, I still dont like it
[15:59] <Pici> s/multiple-lined/long/ ?
[15:59] <jussi01> !pastebin =~ s/lined text/lined texts/
[15:59] <ubotu> I'll remember that jussi01
[15:59] <Pici> bleh
[15:59] <jussi01> like that seem ok?
[16:00]  * PriceChild yawns
[16:00] <jussi01> hehe
[16:00]  * jussi01 hands PriceChild a cuppa
[16:00] <PriceChild> So I was walking down the highstreet... messing about with something, can't remember what.
[16:00] <PriceChild> Looked up and saw the shop I wanted, then back down to w/e. Next thing I know, I looked up and was standing in the middle of Ann Summers.
[16:01] <jussi01> hehe
[16:02] <nalioth> PriceChild: didn't she have something to say about that?
[16:02] <jussi01> Ann summers, PriceChild what exactly were you messing with.... ;)
[16:03] <Pici> Who/What is Ann Summers?
[16:03] <jussi01> erotic store
[16:03] <Pici> Ahhh..
[16:04] <Seeker`> Pici: possibly the biggest in the UK - its a big chain
[16:04] <Pici> We're boring in the US.
[16:05] <PriceChild> Big enough to be in a bigger store on the high street next door to whsmiths.
[16:10] <PriceChild> !test
[16:10] <ubotu> Failed.
[16:10] <Myrtti> you failzor
[16:18] <Pici> agh, what is it, troll hour?
[16:18] <Myrtti> errrr
[16:19] <Pici> Nevermind, don't answer that.
[16:19] <Myrtti> good call pricey
[16:49] <nalioth> can someone type http://www.ubuntu.com/download into their browser and tell me where it goes?
[16:50] <Pici> http://www-drupal.ubuntu.com:8080/getubuntu/download
[16:50] <Pici> uhh
[16:50] <Myrtti> http://www-drupal.ubuntu.com:8080/getubuntu/download
[16:50] <Pici> 'oops'
[16:50] <nalioth> wtf is that?
[16:50] <nalioth> my machine can't access that
[16:50] <PriceChild> mine isn't going anywhere.... /me hits opendns
[16:51] <Pici> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
[16:52] <nalioth> who here on IRC would know wtf is up?
[16:53] <jpatrick> nalioth: #canonical-sysadmin
[16:56] <Pici> nalioth: Did you notice it yourself? or did someone ask you?
[16:56]  * Seeker` cant get to that url either
[16:57]  * jpatrick neither
[16:59] <nalioth> Pici: i am getting a copy of ubuntu for a friend
[16:59] <PriceChild> wtf is 'fullcircle' doing an linux mint install guide? I thought it was an Ubuntu magazine?
[16:59] <Pici> It is...
[17:00] <Pici> grrr
[17:34]  * jpatrick headdesk
[17:35] <PriceChild> welcome to our world
[17:35] <PriceChild> j
[17:36] <jpatrick> PriceChild: you're watching -motu no?
[17:37] <jpatrick>  /mode #ubuntu-motu +b *!*@CPE0014d13c957e-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com!##fix_your_connection <- no such channel??
[17:37] <PriceChild> join it first
[17:37] <jpatrick> I am there
[17:39] <jpatrick> for some reason that's not working..
[17:54] <PriceChild> * noodlesgc has quit ("THE NEXT GENERATION OF IRC IS HERE phalkyn.sf.net (coming soon)")
[17:54] <PriceChild> Does anyone else see something oddly amusing in that message?
[17:54] <Pici> The website hurts my eyes.
[17:54] <Pici> And yes, the announcement is amusing.
[17:56] <jpatrick> tis here and coming soon, hmm
[18:00] <LjL-Temp> ahum... i *somehow* think there is nothing around to achieve compressed IRC
[18:00] <LjL-Temp> since the first google hit for "compressing irc" is a log of myself
[18:00] <no0tic> :)
[22:33] <LjL-Temp> nicks and flames again...
[22:42] <ubotu> In ubotu, Squawk said: !preamble is Please just ask the question rather than explaining why you have a question. You will get help much faster and the channel is easier to follow
[22:42] <LjL-Temp> hmm isn't that just a slight variant of !ask
[22:43] <LjL-Temp> we're getting a ton variations on this theme
[22:49] <jpatrick> !ask > Squawk
[22:50] <jpatrick> !-ask
[22:50] <ubotu> ask aliases: justask, metaquestion, problem, questions, question - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 19:06:50
[22:54] <nickrud> metaquestion, hahaha
[22:58] <Seeker`> has anyone seen the discussion in -uk?
[22:58] <Seeker`> apparently earthquakes are caused by global warming
[22:59] <nickrud> a good reason not to visit uk then, all that hot air
[22:59] <Seeker`> we aren't all mad
[23:00] <nickrud> heh. I live in LA , we define mad ;)
[23:00] <Seeker`> although the things some people say wind me up a little
[23:13] <Gary> Seeker`: seriously!
[23:14] <Seeker`> Gary: yes
[23:15] <Gary> hehe


[05:16] <Mirv> racarr: I'm not versioned
[05:19] <racarr> Mirv: lol
[05:19] <racarr> Mirv: some sort of strange copy paste error with weird symbols
[05:19] <racarr> I thought you might think it was funny though
[05:21] <Mirv> :)
[05:22] <Mirv> this channel gives me highlights anyway since you also have the mirvfb..
[06:12] <anpok> tldr
[06:31] <racarr> lol
[15:19] <racarr> Good morning!
[15:22] <racarr> alan_g: To answer some of your questions in other channel and in my email
[15:22] <racarr> I thought that as part of
[15:22] <racarr> the promotion from proposed to
[15:22] <racarr> archive
[15:22] <racarr> the reverse dependencies are built and
[15:22] <racarr> that is causing these failures
[15:22] <racarr> which is what halted the promotion?
[15:22] <racarr> http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html
[15:22] <racarr> Packages which have autopkgtest enabled will have their tests run whenever they get uploaded or any of their dependencies change. The output of automatically run autopkgtest tests can be viewed on the web and is regularly updated.
[15:23] <racarr> maybe that doesnt involve
[15:23] <racarr> a rebuild though?
[15:24] <alan_g> racarr: we're discussing in standup hangout
[15:52] <alan_g> it really shouldn't involve a rebuild - it should be testing the contents of archive
[15:53] <dandrader> alan_g,  wily still has mir 0.12.1. do you know what's the ETA for 0.13 there?
[15:57] <alan_g> dandrader: working on it. I need to get a fix into qtubuntu before it can land
[19:11] <anpok> finally it udevs behavior makes sense
[19:11] <anpok> -it
[19:29] <bschaefer> racarr, hey, was there new changes to mir library?
[19:29] <bschaefer> 'mir_surface_get_graphics_region' is deprecated?
[19:29] <bschaefer> as well as swap surfaces?
[19:34] <racarr> bschaefer: mir_surface_get_buffer_stream, mir_buffer_stream_get_graphics_region ;)
[19:34] <racarr> surfaces are getting multiple buffer streams
[19:34] <racarr> for decorations and other strange use cases
[19:34] <bschaefer> racarr, i see, looks like ill have to start getting things moved over then :)
[19:34] <bschaefer> Thanks!
[19:35] <racarr> np
[20:51] <anpok> kdub: what do you mean by disable the cursor? just hide the cursor more.. no cursor position processing / confinement..?
[21:55] <bschaefer> racarr, question, how come theres mir_event_type_key, mir_event_type_motion and under mir event input theres mir_input_event_type_key/pointer?
[21:55] <bschaefer> shouldn't the mir_event_type_key/motion just be mir_event_type_input? (which means you shouldn't need them?)
[22:01] <racarr> bschaefer: Yeah they will go away in next release
[22:01] <racarr> it was this whole
[22:01] <racarr> strategy to change the event without breaking ABI
[22:01] <racarr> mir_event_get_type will never return key/motion
[22:01] <bschaefer> racarr, cool just wanted to double check :) (want to include as much as i can in switch statements)
[22:01] <bschaefer> more for a TODO section wise
[22:01] <bschaefer> cool
[22:02] <racarr> Coooolio
[22:02] <bschaefer> thanks!


[01:57] <ScottK> sgclark: I just made a perlqt upload, so please be sure to update what you have locally (I updated bzr).
[01:58] <sgclark> ScottK: ok
[01:58] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:31] <Noskcaj> Are there any plans to move qtlocation-opensource-src to geoclue-2.0? i.e. the version supported by upstream
[05:31] <Noskcaj> bug 1388294 is related
[05:33] <Noskcaj> Mirv, ^
[05:34] <valorie> Noskcaj: geoclue ain't working now
[05:34] <valorie> at least for me, in redshift
[05:35] <valorie> I already filed a bug about that
[05:35] <Noskcaj> valorie, Have you tried with the new version>
[05:36] <valorie> $ apt-cache policy geoclue
[05:36] <valorie> geoclue:
[05:36] <valorie>   Installed: 0.12.99-3ubuntu1
[05:36] <valorie>   Candidate: 0.12.99-3ubuntu1
[05:36] <valorie> is 2.0 packaged somewhere?
[05:37] <Noskcaj> it's packaged as "geoclue-2.0"
[05:37] <Noskcaj> they're co-installable
[05:38] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/put2c6qdt
[05:38] <valorie> after installing 2.0
[05:39] <valorie> maybe I need to configure it
[05:39] <Noskcaj> it would need rebuilding, yes
[05:39] <Noskcaj> i'll try and merge redshift later today
[05:39] <valorie> ooooo
[05:39] <valorie> please backport to utopic
[05:40] <valorie> gosh, I already feel like I'm on the bleeding edge
[05:40] <valorie> now I feel like I should be in vivid too
[05:41] <valorie> I was going to configure redshift manually, but if you are going to backport, I'll wait and test
[05:42] <Noskcaj> i probably won't backport it. Try building it yourself
[05:42] <valorie> ok
[05:43] <valorie> if it builds perhaps I can talk quintasan into backporting
[06:54] <Noskcaj> valorie, looks like there is no geoclue-2.0 support for redshift
[07:10] <valorie> Noskcaj: thanks for the information
[07:10] <valorie> I'll just configure manually
[09:13] <Mirv> Noskcaj: I haven't given thought to that, as I've not used the geoclue backend. so it compiles against either?
[09:14] <Mirv> Noskcaj: I'd say file a bug towards Debian, so that we wouldn't diverge from pkg-kde's packaging (anymore than we already do by packaging both Qt Positioning and Qt Location unlike Debian)
[09:16] <valorie> Mirv: what backend did you use?
[09:17] <valorie> what is working for me now is manual in a config I copied from the website and adjusted
[09:26] <Noskcaj> Mirv, I have no idea if it supports both, everything about Qt/KDE is a mystery too me
[09:27] <Noskcaj> I'll make a debian bug tomorrow
[09:36] <Mirv> valorie: the Ubuntu plugin on the phone, from source package qtubuntu-sensors. it's used eg. in OSMTouch app.
[09:36] <Mirv> Noskcaj: ah right, you meant geoclue upstream supports 2.0 series. right.
[09:38] <Mirv> then it's probably a wishlist item to Qt upstream, unless geoclue 2.0 is relatively compatible with the earlier version. but the Debian bug won't hurt anyway, as from distribution point of view it'd be good to use a supported geoclue version.
[09:47] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: automated crash reporting?
[10:03] <kikidee> apachelogger: are you there?
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:02] <soee_> someone on Plasma5 can confirm that when using hdmi to connect to TV or ther screen the screen corners action (show windows, show desktop) dont work ?
[15:26] <_Groo_> soee_: can you confirm that with latest kf5 build, yakuake brakes because of a missing konsole kpart?
[15:47] <santa_> shadeslayer: ping?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> santa_: pong
[17:39] <santa_> shadeslayer: oh hi, I found some issues when building latest frameworks and plasma packages, so if you have some time I would like to work with you in order to fix them, are you ready?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> santa_: I'm not working on a weekend, so maybe on Monday?
[17:40] <santa_> ah, you are one of those bluesystems folks? anyway, yes will poke you again this monday if possible
[17:40] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:41] <shadeslayer> santa_: preferably, just send a email to kubuntu-devel
[17:41] <shadeslayer> I might even reply to that tomorrow if I have time
[17:41] <santa_> ok, see you
[17:42] <shadeslayer> cya
[18:14] <apachelogger> sgclark: _Groo_ Riddell re konsole ... all things that only need the kpart need their deps adjusted to actually want the konsole4-kpart package
[18:14] <apachelogger> I didn't get to that yesterday
[19:15] <sgclark> apachelogger: ok
[20:52] <valorie> Mirv: interesting
[20:52] <valorie> I don't need my phone redshifted
[20:52] <valorie> :-)
[21:07] <kikidee> yofel: are you there?
[21:07] <yofel> kikidee: yes?
[21:07] <kikidee> can I pm you?
[21:07] <yofel> sure..
[21:29] <murthy> yofel: hi
[21:30] <yofel> hey
[21:30] <murthy> yofel: got some time? need some info about a possible bug
[21:31] <yofel> murthy: well, feel free to ask
[21:35] <murthy> The option to install proprietary stuff when selected invokes the kubuntu driver installer with out install option, when using a nvidia card, It tries to install the nvidia binary driver. This blogs the main install process and the cursor turns to wait icon and the process does not proceeds to the partitioning screen until the download finishes
[21:35] <yofel> sounds familiar
[21:36] <murthy> The bug is not in the nvidia driver, its in the kubuntu driver manager or the apt
[21:37] <murthy> the problem is if my internet connection is 512 kbps and the nvidia binary driver is 200 mb, you can imagine how long it will wait until it proceeds to the next screen
[21:37] <murthy> a common user with a poor internet connection will mistake it as a system hang
[21:39] <murthy> We had already discussed this earlier and you were on a python script that was causing the issue. Now I want to file a bug report, but I want it to be a quality one and developer friendly. So tell what are the things that you expect in the  bug report, I will get all those and file it
[21:43] <murthy> If you dont have an nvidia card, then its not an issue for replication of the bug, you just have to hardcode apt or the driver manager to download some stuff that is large enough to have a download time sufficient enough to see the issue
[21:45] <murthy> Another thing is vdpau seems to be not working with mplayer because of the recent libav api changes. Will the bug be fixed soon or will libav be downgraded?
[21:45] <murthy> here is the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer2/+bug/1374825
[21:46] <yofel> for first best file a bug against ubiquity as that's what's doing the hidding driver install in the first place. We can go from there
[21:47] <yofel> wrt libav I'm clueless
[21:49] <murthy> ok I will file a bug report for the first one. about libav, I know apachelogger is working with vlc and gstreamer, does he cover libav?
[21:51] <yofel> ubuntu uses whatever libav it syncs from debian, we have no libav maintainer. I don't know who exactly would be responsible for this
[21:52] <murthy> oh ok
[23:04] <sgclark> apachelogger: I tried to work on konsole kpart but E: Unable to locate package konsole4-kpart and I quite literally cannot find it.


[00:05] <slow-motion> n8
[00:11] <justgreg> i am having trouble with my xfce
[00:12] <knome> okay...
[00:13] <justgreg> the menu bars disappeared when i updated to lucid lynx
[00:13] <knome> justgreg, press alt+f2 and run "xfce4-panel"
[00:13] <justgreg> this happened once before and i forgot how i fixed it in the terminal
[00:13] <justgreg> thanks
[00:14] <knome> np
[00:14] <knome> is there anything else we can help you with?
[00:38] <xubuntu082> Hi
[00:38] <knome> !hi | xubuntu082
[00:40] <xubuntu082> iḿ afraid i have to leave again, my install does noot work properly, so i got to look into it :(
[00:40] <xubuntu082> bye
[02:50] <pteague> i just did an update that updated my kernel to 2.6.32-22 & for some reason it's not working with the nvidia drivers
[02:52] <gr8m8> you have to redo the nvidia drivers for each new kernel pteague
[02:58] <pteague> so remove & re-install?
[02:59] <gr8m8> same steps as you did to install it in the previous kernel
[03:00] <pteague> just did a fresh install of lucid & used the proprietary driver installer
[03:00] <gr8m8> try that again then :]
[06:35] <visitor1> funny thing, my xubuntu apllications menu is sometimes losing one order in which is wine, vice,....
[06:36] <visitor1> would probably have to kill and restart xfce4-panel
[08:26] <keekles> hey guys im having trouble compiling something, i think its my makefile http://pastebin.com/6dH1rCPB
[08:26] <keekles> i dont know what else to change in the makefile
[08:43] <Renovatio> hi, there is a way to change Xubuntu default file manager?
[12:42] <knome> hmm
[15:59] <PhillipSouza> Does Google Chrome work with Xubuntu?
[16:52] <eev2> hey all. the following line appears several times in my ~/.xession-errors "xfce4-panel-Message: Xfce4-panel already running". Any ideas on how to fix that?
[17:50] <Breetai> Is there any other way to rotate wallapers besides a cron job that does a killall -USR1 xfdesktop and is that even the proper way with 4.6?
[17:56] <Sysi-> you mean to have swithing background image?
[17:57] <Sysi-> that's straight option in desktop background settings
[18:00] <Breetai> Sysi: yes, but I want to rotate images every few minutes
[18:35] <slow-motion> hi
[20:23] <Renegade15> would somebody please tell me how to autoconfigure X under xubuntu? my father is already mocking linux for requiring that much work for something as simple as changing the resolution x_x
[20:24] <Renegade15> I had to load the failsafe xorg.conf 'cause he changed the graphics card and monitor, and I really don't feel like manually adding lines to it for hours
[20:39] <Breetai> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[20:39] <Renegade15> nope
[20:39] <Renegade15> tried that
[20:39] <Renegade15> didn't work - and multiple forum posts point out that that method is outdated and was dropped in favor of autoconfiguration
[20:40] <Breetai> What model of computer/video card
[20:40] <Renegade15> Geforce 2; I'm currently installing the proprietary nvidia drivers and hoping that will beat the configuration into submission
[20:41] <Breetai> How are you installing, from Nvidia or using the ubuntu repos?
[20:41] <Renegade15> yepp, that did it
[20:41] <Renegade15> all hail closed source
[20:41] <Renegade15> somebody might want to update the documentation to give proper instructions, rather than outdated or non-existent ones
[20:41] <Renegade15> thank you for your attempts to help, though
[22:58] <slow-motion> n8
[23:45] <Whammo> hi I'm coming to xubuntu from kubuntu and I'm wondering if anybody here uses jack exclusively for their audio needs?


[11:56] <meena> oh ho! https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/62a149bf621947fb7475c64b1ff04fe19fe16b29
[11:58] <meena> wonder if the requires and before are enough for it to run before cloud-init
[13:36] <meena> aciba: maybe someone should've told github-actions bot, that ye are on holidays
[13:36] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1924 this needs a review
[13:36] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1924 in canonical/cloud-init "make the same authentication behavior for arm and x86 machine" [Open]
[13:37] <meena> this also needs a review https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1925
[13:37] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1925 in canonical/cloud-init "fix for LP:1919045" [Open]
[13:54] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1931 this looks good?
[13:54] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1931 in canonical/cloud-init "network/netplan: add gateways as on-link when necessary" [Open]
[14:12] <aciba> meena: thanks for the ping, we will have a look on them.
[14:37] <waldi> hmm, why only "if necessary"? the flag does not break if it is not necessary
[14:39] <meena> waldi: hmm?
[14:40] <waldi> you can add the flag without adverse effects even if it is not strictly needed. reduces the special cases
[16:07] <meena> waldi: aye.
[19:34] <falcojr> the gateway not in subnet returns
[19:34] <falcojr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/2000596
[19:34] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 2000596 in cloud-init "Netplan: Improve support for directly (on-link) connected gateways" [Undecided, New]
[19:35] <falcojr> the "if gateway not in subnet then add 'on-link' to config" idea is interesting to me
[19:35] <falcojr> I'm trying to think if there's any reason that wouldn't work
[19:36] <falcojr> the only possible way that config can work is if the gateway is on-link anyway, so it seems like that'd be a safe change to make
[19:48] <meena> it's interesting that this is only failing in netplan
[20:16] <holmanb> > because ifupdown always adds the "onlink" flag to the gateway
[20:16] <holmanb> that's interesting
[20:17] <minimal> I don't think that'll work for Alpine currently as ifupdown-ng does not seem to have logic to use "onlink" in /e/n/i
[20:21] <falcojr> well I think this would be for netplan only, and only if the gateway doesn't belong to the subnet
[20:22] <minimal> falcojr: we were chatting before Xmas about some VPS providers that use /32 for IPv4 and also might use /128 for IPv6 and so the "on-link" stuff is relevant in general
[20:23] <falcojr> yeah...I saw most of that. Helpful to know how a gateway could be on a different subnet
[20:24] <minimal> well for a IPv4 /32 address the gateway of course has to be on a different subject ;-)
[20:25] <minimal> so Hetzner and OVH appear to allocate /32 addresses
[20:25] <holmanb> falcojr: with that most recent bug, couldn't they just use the kind of netplan config that they asked for support for (declaring `on-link: true` under `routes:`)?
[20:27] <holmanb> since they are on a system with netplan present it should just pass through
[20:42] <falcojr> holmanb: given that there's a network_data.json, this is probably an openstack config drive
[20:43] <falcojr> in that case you probably don't want your metadata hardcoded to a specific implementation
[20:43] <holmanb> ah
[20:43] <falcojr> but...we could also add some kind of on-link option to our network configs rather than guessing...but then we'd have to make sure we're rendering it correctly everywhere
[22:23] <holmanb> falcojr: adding an on-link option to our network configs wouldn't solve the config drive case, right?
[22:25] <falcojr> well you'd need updated metadata then
[22:25] <holmanb> right
[22:36] <holmanb> falcojr: making sure we're on the same page: by updated metadata you mean we'd need openstack to update the metadata format they send?
[22:38] <falcojr> correct
[22:59] <holmanb> I think guessing would probably work for configdrive -> netplan.
[23:00] <holmanb> Not sure what to suggest for alpine though.
[23:04] <holmanb> minimal: think ifupdown-ng would take a PR adding onlink to gateways for compatibility?
[23:05] <holmanb> here maybe? https://github.com/ifupdown-ng/ifupdown-ng/blob/34753136b86d5b1d5df2b60b22f1bfac16f28416/executor-scripts/linux/static#L36
[23:36] <minimal> holmanb: you mean in generic, rather than triggered by some /e/n/i option?
[23:36] <minimal> s/generic/general/


[00:02] <Cyber-Dogg> how do i get flash installed for firefox?
[04:29] <caseyd> anyone know how to change the port of mythweb?
[16:42] <MythbuntuGuest63> I have things working from my cable line directly into my PVR-150.  However when I start watching live tv I can only watch 1 channel. Everytime i change channels, it just goes to a black screen.
[16:43] <MythbuntuGuest63> The only message I see is external channel channing will not work for svideo and composite.  Line 71. But I belive I am using Tuner1
[16:44] <MythbuntuGuest63> mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f1be2b0d0
[16:45] <MythbuntuGuest63> I ran the optimze script yesterday, still the same error
[16:46] <MythbuntuGuest63> would anyone be able to help or take alook?
[16:58] <paperclip> I'd ask in #mythtv-users .. seems a bit more lively there
[17:01] <MythbuntuGuest63> ok thanks
[18:08] <MythbuntuGuest94> hmm still have not been able to change channels on my pvr-150. I have coax cable comeing into the pvr150. No IR transmitter. The only channel that works is channel 2. when i change ot antoher channel, just gives me black screen
[18:09] <MythbuntuGuest94> mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f1be2b0d0
[18:13] <MythbuntuGuest94> i have been to mythtv-users and theytold me to come here :)
[18:41] <MythbuntuGuest94> .
[19:03] <naranco> does the mythbuntu frontend actually require a myth backend? im not planning to capture anything from a tv card.
[19:04] <superm1> if you use mythtv, yes backend must be installed
[19:04] <superm1> if you use some other app, like boxee or xbmv or me-tv no
[19:07] <naranco> so, mythbuntu isnt really oriented towards playback of stuff you didnt capture yourself, right?
[19:09] <rhpot1991> naranco: it can do that, but if thats your only requirement then there may be better choices out there
[19:11] <naranco> at this point rhpot1991, im not looking for anything more, nothing worth capturing from tv where i live.. any recommendations?
[19:12] <rhpot1991> mythtv can do both, but if you aren't interesting in capturing your own video then you are cutting out mythtv's strength, at that point you should see if the apps superm1 mentioned above might work better for you
[19:13] <naranco> ok
[19:16] <naranco> thanks
[19:16] <rhpot1991> np
[19:19] <naranco> i will give it a try anyway, got interested listening to the mythcast podcast, just to see what it is all abt
[19:20] <rhpot1991> naranco: cool, if you have any questions feel free to ask
[19:21] <naranco> thanks again
[21:08] <audioteknika> hey guys
[21:09] <audioteknika> I need help
[21:09] <rhpot1991> !ask
[21:09] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[21:09] <audioteknika> !ask
[21:09] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[21:09] <tgm4883> audioteknika, just ask your question
[21:10] <audioteknika> Oh, thanks.
[21:10] <audioteknika> Well, I'm trying to configure my radeon 9700 on 9.04
[21:10] <audioteknika> the only was I can fully boot in xfce is by adding vesa in xorg.cnf
[21:10] <audioteknika> else, I get a black sceen
[21:11] <audioteknika> any ideas ?
[21:30] <audioteknika> is someone here ?
[21:34] <edizzle> I am here
[21:35] <edizzle> I had a question about changing channels. When I start up the frontend I am only able to see one channel.  I do not use a STB. Any ideas?
[21:36] <rhpot1991> edizzle: taking a stab in the dark, perhaps you have the wrong input set for your tuner
[21:37] <edizzle> rhpot1991 well, I do get ONE channel and that comes in fine...
[21:37] <edizzle> i have coax coming in on cable and its set to Tuner1
[21:37] <edizzle> my other options are s-video and composite..
[21:37] <rhpot1991> edizzle: you prob didn't setup your channels in mythtv-setup then
[21:38] <edizzle> hmm, i think so
[21:38] <edizzle> i have pastebin output
[21:39] <edizzle> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f1be2b0d0
[21:40] <edizzle> one thing i did notice is that when i try to downlaod my schedule form schdules direct, it always seems to loose the info from the db
[21:40] <edizzle> i.e. when i download the line up from mythtv-setup
[21:44] <edizzle> I have  tried to optimize data base
[21:45] <tgm4883> #
[21:45] <tgm4883> 2009-09-01 09:28:05.234 Channel(/dev/video0) Warning: You have not set an external channel changing
[21:45] <tgm4883> #
[21:45] <tgm4883>                         script for a composite or s-video input. Channel changing will do nothing.
[21:46] <edizzle> tgm4883, yes I saw that however, I have Coax/Tuner 1 as my input and I am not suing composit or -svideo. Does that message still apply?
[21:47] <tgm4883> it's in the log files from 9:28, if thats when you tried, then it applies
[21:54] <edizzle> i will try again to see if it generates that message
[21:57] <edizzle> i am also looking for a doc that describes this error as well
[21:58] <edizzle> can i test using a channel change command from cli?
[22:27] <Blaidd> I"m running into an issue where mythtv is writing the video files to a directory without the permissions to allow myth to delete them when it's trying to expire them.  The directory has the permissions for mythtv to create the files with myth's permissons..
[22:40] <foxbuntu> Blaidd, can you manually delete them from inside mythtv?
[22:41] <Blaidd> hm.. you know I haven't paid attention to that.. I can check that
[22:41] <Blaidd> I suspect I havne't noticed because when I delete files they get moved to the delete queue, and get actually deleted up to 5 days later
[22:45] <foxbuntu> Blaidd, you could ssh in/go to a terminal and su to mythtv then try to create a delete a file in that directory to ensure its a permissions issue
[22:46] <Blaidd> I don't know the password for mythtv.  where can I find that (sorry for the stupid quetsion)
[22:47] <foxbuntu> Blaidd, good question...I dont think it gets written anywhere
[22:48] <Blaidd> if I go in and delete a file and then go to the deleted queue and try to permanently delete it, wouldn't that do the same thing?
[22:48] <foxbuntu> yup
[22:48] <Blaidd> okay.. let me try that then.
[22:55] <Blaidd> nope.. it doesn't delete it..
[22:55] <gbutters> sudo -i and then su mythtv
[22:56] <Blaidd> gbutters:  where would I get the password for mythtv?
[22:56] <gbutters> Do not need it this way
[22:56] <Blaidd> oh.. okay
[22:58] <Blaidd> so it looks like the mythtv user is has ownership when it writes the files, and the files is in the mythtv group, but for some reason the mythtv user can't delete the files..
[22:59] <Blaidd> and from what I can tell is that it's a permissions problem.. I can't delete them with the mythtv user (or completely from the mythtv interface) unless I chmod 777 the files
[22:59] <Blaidd> then they'll delete
[23:02] <Blaidd> if I go to delete them manually using the myth user it prompts me asking if I want to delete a write-protected file.  could that be stopping the mythbackend from deleting them?
[23:03] <gbutters> what does ls -la show for the files
[23:04] <gbutters> it should look like this -rw-rw-rw-  1 gbutters mythtv      66404 2009-08-28 22:57 1562_20090828182900.mpg.png
[23:05] <edizzle> How can I correct the error "2009-09-01 15:56:04.464 Channel(/dev/video0) Warning: You have not set an external channel changing                         script for a composite or s-video input. Channel changing will do nothing. 2009-09-01 15:56:06.262 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(1): Failed to find Channel 2009-09-01 15:56:06.641 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(1): Error, failed to find channel."
[23:06] <edizzle> I just tried changing the channel and i grabbed the logs here : http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f2b4351b0
[23:06] <Blaidd> gbutters:  it looks like -rw-r--r--
[23:09] <Blaidd> why would mythtv write the permissions like that and is there a way I can change that?
[23:09] <gbutters> are you using the default settings and putting your recordings in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[23:09] <Blaidd> no, i'm putting them in a couple of different directories on which mythtv has ownership and has all the permissions to write files
[23:09] <Blaidd> (ex /media/tv)
[23:11] <gbutters> edizzle: how is the card setup in mythtvsetup
[23:12] <gbutters> Blaidd: what are the permissions on the directory
[23:12] <edizzle> gbutters: haugpuagg pvr-150 with coax comming into tuner1, no STB
[23:12] <foxbuntu> edizzle, you need an external changer script setup on the input if you are using any input other than the coax (RG6) tuner
[23:12] <gbutters> what is the group set to?
[23:13] <edizzle> foxbuntu: i do have coax
[23:13] <foxbuntu> edizzle, which input of the tuner did you setup?
[23:13] <gbutters> edizzle: lets look at each screen in mythtv setup
[23:14] <edizzle> foxbutnu: tunner1
[23:14] <edizzle> gbutters: ok
[23:14] <edizzle> gbutters i am ready
[23:14] <gbutters> edizzle: section 2
[23:15] <gbutters> card type
[23:15] <gbutters> ??
[23:15] <edizzle> gbutters: ok ,i have two, one is MPEG;/dev/vidoe0 and the other is V4L /dev/video0
[23:16] <gbutters> for the 150 it should set up as IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card
[23:16] <edizzle> That is correct
[23:17] <gbutters> Default input should be set to tuner
[23:17] <edizzle> gbutters: the default input is Composite1, for some reason it keeps changing back to that....
[23:17] <gbutters> that is your problem
[23:17] <edizzle> I have set it a lot of times to Tuner1, but for some reason it keeps reverting back to Composite1
[23:18] <gbutters> ok go to section 4 input connections
[23:18] <edizzle> gbutters: ok I'm there
[23:19] <gbutters> what is input set to
[23:19] <Blaidd> gbuters: drwxrwxrwx  2 mythtv root 12288 2009-09-01 18:05 /tv
[23:19] <gbutters> Blaidd: that is the problem you need to change to group to mythtv
[23:20] <Blaidd> ahh.. okay..
[23:20] <Blaidd> gbutters: even if mythtv owns the directory?
[23:20] <edizzle> gbutters; I have 5 listings for MPEG and V4L, the first one is [MPEG: /dev/video0] -> Comcast video source
[23:20] <gbutters> Blaidd: yes
[23:21] <Blaidd> gbutters:  thanks
[23:21] <gbutters> edizzle: how many tv cards do you have installed??
[23:21] <edizzle> just 1
[23:22] <gbutters> ok lets go back to step 2 capture cards
[23:22] <edizzle> gbutters: ok
[23:22] <gbutters> do you have 5 showing here
[23:23] <edizzle> gbutters: no just 2
[23:23] <edizzle> gbutters: Just MPEG and VL4
[23:23] <gbutters> ok lets start by removing them and starting fresh
[23:23] <edizzle> gbutters:ok
[23:23] <gbutters> delete all capture cards
[23:24] <gbutters> new capture card
[23:24] <edizzle> gbutters: done
[23:24] <gbutters> set card type to IVTV
[23:24] <edizzle> gbutters: done
[23:25] <gbutters> shou;d have /dev/video0 selected and tuner as the default input
[23:25] <gbutters> should
[23:25] <edizzle> gbutters: yes, done (its Tuner1)
[23:26] <gbutters> ok do you have your video source setup
[23:26] <edizzle> Yes I had comcast video source as the name, it shoud still be there, do you want me to remove it or change?
[23:27] <gbutters> it should ok if it was working before
[23:27] <edizzle> gbutters: hoever my lineup never stays in there
[23:28] <gbutters> using schedules direct??
[23:28] <edizzle> gbutters: when I do a retreiveline up i choose my line up, but evertime I come back it reverts to something else
[23:28] <edizzle> gbutters: yes using schedules direct
[23:28] <edizzle> gbutters: i guess i can retreive the lineup again for now?
[23:29] <gbutters> lets setup the card first and come back to it if it does not work
[23:29] <edizzle> gbutters: it currently has UTxxxxx:X
[23:29] <edizzle> ok
[23:30] <gbutters> go on to input connections
[23:30] <edizzle> gbutters: ok
[23:30] <gbutters> should just have 1 now
[23:31] <edizzle> gbutters: Yes with 5 lines, each one is a differnt input on my card
[23:31] <edizzle> 1st one is Tuner1
[23:31] <gbutters> ok use the tuner1 one and set it to use your comcast video source
[23:32] <edizzle> gbutters: done
[23:32] <gbutters> then select fetch channels from listings source
[23:33] <gbutters> this will take a few minutews
[23:33] <gbutters> minutes and when it is done will set the starting chanel to your lowest channel
[23:34] <edizzle> gbutters: ok i think its done? it shows starting channel 1, previsouly it was on 2
[23:34] <gbutters> ok lets see if it works now
[23:35] <edizzle> and i'll want ot run fill database, correct?
[23:35] <gbutters> not right now
[23:35] <edizzle> ok so just exit out of mythv-setup and try it?
[23:36] <gbutters> yes
[23:38] <edizzle> when i try to "Watch TV" from the frontend it just kicks me back to the front end
[23:38] <gbutters> pastebin logs
[23:40] <edizzle> gbutters: Weird, it doesnt run the log grabber from the gui, I have to mannual run it from cli. Anways its here: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f1f0c75ca
[23:41] <gbutters> need to change to start channel back to 2 and try again
[23:44] <edizzle> gbutters: who hooo!
[23:45] <gbutters> looks like you are good to go
[23:45] <edizzle> gbutters: thanks man!
[23:45] <gbutters> check to make sure you have guide data
[23:46] <gbutters> Blaidd: did that fix it??
[23:46] <Blaidd> I'm going ot have to wait and see.. I don't have anything recording right now and I'm trying to clear up some space on my drives..
[23:47] <gbutters> ok
[23:48] <Blaidd> gbutter:  I've been recording the files and then having myth transcode them, but I keep the old mpegs to encode using different software at a higher quality (which are stored on a network drive on a differnt comp).  it turns out myth hasn't been able to delete the old mpg files either so my drivers have filled up with those
[23:48] <Blaidd> gbutters:  I'll let you know though.  Thanks :)