[00:03] <drdozer> hi
[00:03] <drdozer> I've upgraded to lucid and been using it for a couple of days
[00:03] <drdozer> it seems to be permanently hitting my disk
[00:04] <drdozer> I have a laptop with 2G ram and nothing is running other than pigin and konsole
[00:04] <penguin42> drdozer: run top, what does it show for swap usage
[00:05] <penguin42> (and what else is running)
[00:05] <drdozer> Swap:  4016208k total,   782780k used,  3233428k free,   500676k cached
[00:05] <penguin42> drdozer: ok, now run vmstat 2  and look at the si, so, bi and bo columns - which of those are big?
[00:06] <drdozer> exclusively bi
[00:07] <penguin42> drdozer: OK, so that's reading from disk for some reason (blocks in) - install iotop and  see what's doing the disk read
[00:09] <drdozer> update.mlocate seems consistently at the top
[00:09] <drdozer> with nepomukservicestub
[00:09] <penguin42> drdozer: OK, that is the program that scans your disk so that you can do 'locate' later to find files quickly - it has to walk your whole disk to work, so does run it for a while
[00:09] <Daijoubu> Need some help here, i used OpenShot and PiTiVi under Lucid to export HD videos for youtube with mp4 format using libx264 video codec and lame audio codec.
[00:10] <penguin42> drdozer: I'm not sure what nepomuk does
[00:10] <drdozer> penguin42: mm - so fingers crossed if I just leave it running over-night, it may actually complete?
[00:10] <penguin42> drdozer: Yeh unless you have a huge filesystem with zillions of zillions of files
[00:10] <Daijoubu> When using these settings with Lucid the videos get rejected by youtube with fail to convert message, right now i'm on Live ubuntu 9.10 using again OpenShot and libx264 and mp4 and lame audio codec and the videos are being accepted by youtube
[00:11] <drdozer> penguin42: it's only 75G, although it does contain many source-code files and .svn clones and things... would have expected it to have been done by now
[00:11] <Daijoubu> any idea what may be causing this? Are the unstripped libs of libx264 different for 9.10 and Lucid ?
[00:11] <penguin42> drdozer: It can take a while to dig through big source directories - they're full of zillions of tiny files
[00:12] <drdozer> penguin42: I don't even want it to index them - they are in flux all the time and I don't ever want to locate things in there ;(
[00:12] <penguin42> drdozer: I suspect you can configure locate to avoid certain areas, never done it though
[00:13] <drdozer> cool, I will ask google
[00:16] <Daijoubu> Should i report a bug or something?
[00:17] <yofel> Daijoubu: the libraries are defenitely different as karmic has x264-67 and lucid has x264-85
[00:17] <Daijoubu> yofel, is it possible to install karmic libs on Lucid?
[00:18] <yofel> drdozer: I'm not sure how mlocate works, but the file indexer of nepomuk is strigi and can be turned off in system settings
[00:18] <Daijoubu> i don't want to reinstall everything and use karmic just because of these libs :(
[00:18] <yofel> drdozer: under advanced->desktop search
[00:19] <drdozer> yofel: I've edited /etc/updatedb.conf to be (hopefully) more sane - will leave it churning over-night and hope all will be well
[00:20] <drdozer> yofel: thanks - told nepomuk not to index ./devel where all my source is stored
[00:21] <penguin42> drdozer: having two things indexing your disk at the same time is probably not a good way to get speed out of either of them
[00:21] <drdozer> oh, as if by magic, all disk access has stopped - thanks for all your help
[00:22] <Blue11> wow updatedb runs in a few minutes on my machine
[00:22] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm, you'd think they'd be able to share database or at least search run with each other
[00:22] <penguin42> Blue11: If you have big source trees it can take a while
[00:22] <josephnexus> anyone here tried playing wesnoth on lucid yet?
[00:22] <josephnexus> i can't seem to click any of the menu items
[00:22] <Daijoubu> guys how can i install Karmic libs under Lucid ?:(
[00:22] <josephnexus> can someone confirm that?
[00:22] <Blue11> penguin42: ahh could be - I am in a desktop environ
[00:23] <yofel> penguin42: I don't think so, nepomuk uses virtuoso as database backend, and I'm pretty certain that locate does no
[00:23] <penguin42> Daijoubu: You might get away with one or two special ones, but you don't want to do it with ones used by lots of things
[00:23] <yofel> *not
[00:23] <RambJoe> how do i get the message/communications icon back in the panel, i accidentally deleted it
[00:23] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh but doing two runs over the entire disk asynchronously with each other is asking for stuff like this
[00:23] <RambJoe> without resessting it
[00:23] <RambJoe> it's not in the add to panel wtf
[00:24] <penguin42> RambJoe: Try adding indicator applet session and indicator applet
[00:24] <yofel> penguin42: it certainly is, but neither locate not strigi have any connection to each other and as long as the user doesn't have millions of files in $HOME as you said the effect isn't that large
[00:24] <Daijoubu> penguin42 i need the libavformat-unstripped-52 from Karmic under lucid because the lucid one makes videos not to be accepted by youtube
[00:25] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh I'm just wondering if they should get a bit connected
[00:25] <RambJoe> thanks
[00:25] <RambJoe> yay it worked :)
[00:25] <penguin42> Daijoubu: That's certainly worth a try, if you get the deb from the repository and then install it with dpkg -i it might go depending what other dependencies there are
[00:26] <Daijoubu> penguin42, awesome :) thanks i will try that
[00:26] <yofel> that depends on the kde developers, maybe they should at least make sure that strigi doesn't run at the same time as mlocate
[00:26] <penguin42> yofel: Of course then you could say it's the mlocate developers :-) I guess maybe it needs splitting into a thing that scans the disk and feeds it to everyone interested?
[00:26] <josephnexus> anyone up for installing wesnoth to confirm a bug?
[00:27] <RambJoe> if i'm still on beta 1 would have i got the X update which causes memory leaks?
[00:27] <yofel> yeah, especially as strigi does pretty much the same thing as mlocate does af far as I have seen till now
[00:29] <EruditeHermit> Sarvatt, do you have experience with crystalhd?
[00:30] <EruditeHermit> Sarvatt, does it require media players compiled specifically for it?
[00:30] <josephnexus> apparently the software center installs the old version of wesnoth even though the latest stable is also available in the repos...
[00:30] <josephnexus> also, funguloids is _still_ broken... any ideas on when that will be fixed?
[00:30] <josephnexus> it's visible in the software center, but isn't installable
[00:30] <yofel> !info wesnoth
[00:30] <josephnexus> !info wesnoth-1.8
[00:31] <new2linx> still having the CIFS VFS error when I shutdown the machine. Running updated lucid. created the K15umountnfs.sh as well as added the "umountnfs.sh" to /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default but I still get the error upon shutdown and it never happens.
[00:31] <josephnexus> hmm
[00:31] <josephnexus> maybe i'm seeing it from another repo
[00:31] <yofel> odd, wesnoth-1.8 is there here
[00:31] <josephnexus> yeah
[00:31] <josephnexus> something is a little messed up
[00:31] <josephnexus> i am removing 1.6.5
[00:31] <josephnexus> and installing 1.8 as it is the latest stable
[00:32] <josephnexus> 1.6.5 is unusable
[00:32] <josephnexus> as far as I can tell
[00:34] <josephnexus> so we'll see if 1.8 is usable
[00:34] <josephnexus> either way, both shouldn't be in the repo
[00:34] <josephnexus> and any news regarding funguloids?
[00:34] <josephnexus> !info funguloids
[00:35] <josephnexus> it isn't installable
[00:35] <yofel> let me try
[00:35] <josephnexus> thanks
[00:36] <penguin42> looks like a broken package
[00:36] <josephnexus> yup
[00:36] <josephnexus> it's been lingering in there with no way to install it for a few yrs now
[00:36] <josephnexus> it really is a great game
[00:36] <josephnexus> and it's a shame that there isn't any way for an ubuntu person to play it
[00:36] <yofel> nice, it depends on a package in debian but not in ubuntu o.O
[00:36] <josephnexus> without being a guru
[00:36] <Daijoubu> is there a painless way to remove libavformat52? It wants to uninstall all the players and melt and so on ?
[00:37] <penguin42> Daijoubu: Possibly not if they all say they depend on that version
[00:37] <Daijoubu> ._. oh well i hope ti doesnt destroy the entire system
[00:40] <yofel> WTF? bug 194686
[00:40] <yofel> this has been broken for ages o.O
[00:41] <josephnexus> yup
[00:41] <josephnexus> it's actually making ubuntu look pretty bad
[00:41] <josephnexus> it affects a handful of other packages too
[00:42] <josephnexus> IMHO it should have been fixed, or everything that depends on it should have been removed
[00:42] <yofel> I'll look into this later, but this seems to be an issue how packages are built on launchpad
[00:43] <Daijoubu> lol i'm in dependacy hell :D everything i remove Karmic libs need something else removed haha
[00:43] <yofel> a package does not under any circumstances require internet access to be built
[00:43] <josephnexus> think we might be able to have it fixed then and actually have it (and the other things that depend on it) installable?
[00:43] <josephnexus> i miss the game
[00:43] <josephnexus> :-(
[00:43] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: aptitude safe-upgrade is your friend
[00:43] <rmrfslash> Can someone explain how to install sun jre under Lucid?
[00:43] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo i'm trying to remove Lucid libs and replace them with Karmic ones :) is this the way to do it ?
[00:43] <rmrfslash> Are packages not ready?
[00:44] <arand> rmrfslash: You need to enable the canonical partenr repo
[00:44] <BUGabundo> rmrfslash: enable partner repo
[00:44] <arand> *partner
[00:44] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: not supported, even by a long shot
[00:44] <BUGabundo> then again, apt does it for you !
[00:44] <BUGabundo> you must have BOTH repo versions and then downgrade
[00:45] <BUGabundo> with a bit of apt magic that now eludes me
[00:45] <BUGabundo> something like apt-get install package/karmic
[00:45] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo, i think'm i'm too noob for what you are suggesting so i will stick with trying to install packs and read what needs to be removed from the deb installer :D
[00:46] <rmrfslash> BUGabundo: thanks
[00:47] <Daijoubu> ok deadend ._.
[00:47] <acicula> Daijoubu: why do you want to downgrade libraries to karmic versions?
[00:47] <Daijoubu> acicula, because they work with youtube the Lucid ones make youtube to reject videos with libx264
[00:47] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: which browser?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> you are doing it WRONG
[00:48] <acicula> Daijoubu: you mean with html5 youtube and chromium?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> so stop messing with your system or no one will be able to help you
[00:48] <BUGabundo> chromium can play html5 (x264) in youtube
[00:48] <BUGabundo> FF can not
[00:48] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo, ok i stoped :/ trying to find Karmic repository or tell me what to do, or if not i will go and install Karmic :/
[00:49] <BUGabundo> but you need chromium-codecs-extra
[00:49] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo, no youtube rejects the videos after being uploaded with Failed to convert message
[00:49] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:49] <BUGabundo> upload
[00:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:49] <BUGabundo> lets /clear
[00:49] <Daijoubu> yeah .__.
[00:49] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: start fresh
[00:49] <BUGabundo> what's going on. full details, one line, please
[00:50] <Daijoubu> ok
[00:52] <BUGabundo> 103 bug mails in one day :(
[00:52] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Wow, good going
[00:52] <BUGabundo> or not
[00:52] <BUGabundo> I just finished chromium bugs :(
[00:52] <BUGabundo> NEXT
[00:52] <BUGabundo> 628 unread from gwibber
[00:53] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo, i have clips with h264 video and aac audio codec, i am editing them with OpenShot and i'm using libx264 for video and the lamemp3 for audio encoders, under Lucid with installed libavformat-unstripped-52 the videos are being rejected by youtube with Failed to convert message, a second ago i was on my Live Karmic 9.10 usb stick where i installed the Karmic libavformat-unstripped and OpenShot and edited a movie the same way and published it wi
[00:53] <Daijoubu> th the same settings as in Lucid and the video was not rejected by youtube.So in other words the libavformat-unstripped-52 libs for Lucid have a problem with youtube and the Karmic libavformat-unstripped dont so i'm trying to get the Karmic ones on Lucid and end my 5 days of pain :D
[00:53] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I only have one page that doesn't render on chromium that does on ff, but it's difficult to know if it's a page bug or a chromium bug
[00:57] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I have that bug but on FF
[00:57] <BUGabundo> it losses sessions
[00:57] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: thanks. please file a bug against that lib, and try to contact youbube
[00:57] <BUGabundo> could very well be on their side
[00:58] <yofel> josephnexus: ok: the issue is that to build ogre-plugins-cgprogrammanager you need the nvidia-cg-toolkit which needs to download a tgz during the installation, which isn't possible on the launchpad buildds and the build fails
[00:58] <Daijoubu> sure... youtube are waiting to solve the linux libs problems haha :D
[00:59] <Daijoubu> oh god ._. ill give your suggestion of using the Karmic repository a try and if that doesn't work i guess i'll be reinstalling with Karmic :/
[00:59] <yofel> josephnexus: you can build the package locally if you want to try it though, that works
[01:02] <BiggFREE> Hi
[01:02] <IdleOne> Welcome BiggFREE :)
[01:02] <IdleOne> you are welcome to stay in #ubuntu also and help out but for lucid this is the place
[01:02] <BiggFREE> It is noted :)
[01:03] <BiggFREE> I will read for the moment.
[01:03] <IdleOne> :)
[01:03] <BiggFREE> Thanks
[01:03] <yofel> josephnexus: seems like we're waiting for debian to fix debian 502457
[01:07] <penguin42> yofel: That's not even  2 years old; that's young for a debian wishlist bug!
[01:08] <yofel> well, bug 284750 is a bit older, but it took a while to inform debian about this
[01:12] <BiggFREE> In terminal mode, the display is really bad with NDVIDIA
[01:12] <rmrfslash> Guys, huge problem here. I just unpacked the Android SDK and went to run the "adb" tool and the "etcltool" tool... while the tools are *there* and they are executable running these says "no such file or directory"
[01:12] <rmrfslash> when I run ./adb
[01:12] <rmrfslash> or ./etcltool
[01:12] <rmrfslash> but running the "android" tools works fine
[01:13] <rmrfslash> and the apkbuilder
[01:13] <Zelozelos> i can uninstall ibus right? will i still have the on-screen-keyboard if i do?
[01:13] <penguin42> rmrfslash: Now I've not looked at the tools; but are those designed to run on the host or on the android system itself?
[01:13] <rmrfslash> vim adb is fine too, I see the typical "ELF"
[01:13] <rmrfslash> on the host
[01:13] <rmrfslash> it's part of the android sdk
[01:14] <penguin42> rmrfslash: OK, that normally happens if the loader isn't found
[01:14] <rmrfslash> loader?
[01:14] <penguin42> rmrfslash: Yeh, dynamic elves use a loader (on 64bit it's /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2) - so what's the loader that one uses - probably the first thing in the output of strings
[01:15] <rmrfslash> ::: installing binutils :::
[01:15] <rmrfslash> maybe I need the 32 bit libs
[01:15] <penguin42> likely
[01:15] <rmrfslash>  /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[01:16] <rmrfslash> what's the apt-get command to install the 32 bit libs?
[01:16] <penguin42> yeh that's in libc6-i386
[01:16] <rmrfslash> I knew this @ one point
[01:16] <rmrfslash> isn't there a command to install all 32 bit libraries
[01:16] <penguin42> if you try apt-get install ia32-libs
[01:16] <rmrfslash> yes
[01:16] <rmrfslash> that's the one
[01:17] <rmrfslash> wow... that was scary :)
[01:17] <SluggerSlowOne> how do I get the new ubuntu theme?  This is an upgrade, but the new theme stuff didn't get completely applied.  I tried playing with the themes, and now it is all gone
[01:17] <BUGabundo> v0.10:
[01:17] <BUGabundo> - Written for Lucid 10.04 (no warranty that older versions will be supported)
[01:17] <BUGabundo> - Finally switched to Google Talk backend for instant mail notification (hopefully this time it'll last longer ;-) )
[01:17] <BUGabundo> - Labels with a count of 0 will be hidden (except Inbox)
[01:17] <BUGabundo> - Sound properties work again
[01:17] <rmrfslash> never encountered that one
[01:17] <BUGabundo> :))))))
[01:17] <rmrfslash> usually I just get a failed to load library error
[01:17] <rmrfslash> isn't that the typical behavior?
[01:18] <penguin42> rmrfslash: Not if the loader is missing
[01:18] <Zelozelos> if i uninstall ibus will there be other consequences besides not being able to type on other languages (which i have no need for)
[01:18] <penguin42> rmrfslash: It's the loader that gives you that message
[01:19] <rmrfslash> I see
[01:19] <rmrfslash> works now :)
[01:20] <BiggFREE> What is an ibus ?
[01:21] <Zelozelos> it is for typing other characters like chinese symbols n such
[01:21] <BiggFREE> ty :)
[01:22] <Zelozelos> but idk if it has anyother functions for the os, like , is it responsible for the character map or are there parts of it used for any other things
[01:24] <Zelozelos> but im running out of hd space and i'm trying to uninstall everything i dont need/use
[01:27] <Zelozelos> lets see, in synaptic theres ibus, ibus-m17n, ibus-table, ibus-gtk, python-ibus and libibus1, any body know if i can remove all these w/o causing any harm?
[01:32] <Jordan_U> Zelozelos: Have you done apt-get clean yet?
[01:33] <Zelozelos> Jordan_U, no i didnt want 2 mess with it untill i knew what i was doing
[01:33] <Zelozelos> oh wait, apt-get clean?? whats that?
[01:34] <Jordan_U> Zelozelos: man apt-get
[01:35] <Clorox> Anyone know if theres support for 2nd Gen Ipod touch? -.-'
[01:35] <josephnexus> i don't know
[01:35] <Zelozelos> ahh ok Jordan_U good idea ;)
[01:36]  * josephnexus doesn't have an ipod.
[01:36]  * Clorox didnt want one, but got one for free -.-
[01:36] <josephnexus> ah
[01:36] <Jordan_U> Clorox: There is, it should work ootb with lucid (though you have to sync it with itunes at least once before to generate the initial database)
[01:37] <josephnexus> there you have it clorox
[01:37] <josephnexus> :-P
[01:37] <Clorox> Jordan_U: ootb?
[01:38] <josephnexus> out of the box
[01:38] <Pengyduckwin> Is there a way to get past the libgjs0 dependancy problem and install gnome-shell in lucid?
[01:38] <Clorox> ahh
[01:38] <josephnexus> meaning, plug it in and it should just work
[01:38] <josephnexus> either that, or something about orange orangutangs throwing boxes...
[01:38] <josephnexus> but I suspect it has more to do with just plugging it in and having it work
[01:38] <BUGabundo> 3
[01:38] <Clorox> but I cant put any music on it can I?
[01:39] <josephnexus> it should be drag + drop
[01:39] <Clorox> orly?
[01:39] <josephnexus> ya rly
[01:39] <Pengyduckwin> Clorox: It should be able to sync with rhythmbox, but I'm not exactly sure.
[01:40] <Pengyduckwin> along with drag and drop
[01:40] <Clorox> Tried rhythmbox already, It wont notice it.
[01:41] <Clorox> Well, drag and drop didnt work lol
[01:42] <Pengyduckwin> There was a certain library I came across on stumbleupon with all those features, and I just inferred that it would be built into lucid on release.
[01:42] <Pengyduckwin> libimobiledevice, I think
[01:43] <paultag> Hey hackers. I was playing with Ubuntu Netbook Edition, and I was messing with the panel. Everything is unwritable and locked. I want to remove the go-home applet and put a desktop switcher applet in ( I find GNOME unsable without multiple workspaces ). It would not work, so I opened up gconf-editor. It was showing "unwritable key". I looked in the gconf folder and explored the XML to do it by hand. Nothing in the .xml files. Any ideas?
[01:45] <Pengyduckwin> oh, look, libimobiledevice is in the repositories. Maybe it will be fixed once release comes around.
[01:46] <Zelozelos> paultag, so you cant right click and uncheck "lock to panel"?
[01:46] <paultag> Zelozelos, no. I gave that a shot off the bat
[01:46] <paultag> Zelozelos, it's 10.04 RC, Netbook
[01:47] <Jake2|cfl> 10.04...is there a place you can go to to see all installed programs and run them?
[01:47] <Zelozelos> did you try opening a terminal and giving yourself administrator privileges (im just guessing here)
[01:48] <paultag> Zelozelos, well gconf is user local, and I don't want to write my gconf with root privs, and the xml files are empty so I have a hunch it won't matter anyway
[01:48] <Pengyduckwin> paultag: have you deleted your panel config and restarted X?
[01:48] <paultag> Pengyduckwin, no, I have not
[01:48] <ZykoticK9> paultag, i've run into a similar issue with panel in UNE.  Have you tried using elevated privileges with gconf-editor?  No idea if it'll work, but it's what I'd try.  Good luck man.
[01:48] <Zelozelos> paultag, well im all out of guesses rofl
[01:48] <paultag> Heh
[01:48] <paultag> OK. Thanks ZykoticK9, Zelozelos
[01:48] <josephnexus> so I'm wondering about funguloids
[01:48] <josephnexus> i guess we're waiting on debian to fix something?
[01:49] <ZykoticK9> josephnexus, i believe it's been broken for a while in Lucid - believe i submitted a bug about it failing to install.
[01:49] <josephnexus> and if we are, then why is it available in the software center, shouldn't we remove it so people don't think that the software center is broken?
[01:49] <josephnexus> funguloids has been broken for a few yrs
[01:50] <josephnexus> bug 194686
[01:52] <Pengyduckwin> So, about my question, has anyone been able to install gnome shell?
[01:52] <yofel> ZykoticK9: this won't be resolved until debian 502457 is fixed
[01:53] <josephnexus> but yofel, shouldn't the package just be removed then
[01:53] <yofel> propably, vegastrike got removed, fungluids not, don't ask me why
[01:53] <josephnexus> so it doesn't make ubuntu look broken?
[01:54] <josephnexus> meanwhile, in debian I appear to be able to run it in lenny
[01:54] <Zelozelos> ubuntu isnt broken, its a beta ;)
[01:54] <josephnexus> zelozelos: this issue is in the last version, and the one before, and the one before
[01:54] <josephnexus> not just lucid
[01:55] <yofel> this is an issue with the launchpad buildds and how the nvidia-cg-toolkit package works
[01:55] <josephnexus> or a better option would be to just package it ourselves into universe or the like
[01:56] <josephnexus> i'm trying to manually grab the packages now from lenny to see if they work
[01:56] <Daijoubu> umm what's the meaning of this? libavformat-unstripped-52: Depends: libavformat-extra-52 (= 4:0.5+svn20090706-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[01:56] <yofel> josephnexus: I just tried to build ogre-plugins-cgprogrammanger locally, works fine and funguloids installs fine too once that's installed
[01:56] <josephnexus> yofel, you on 64Bit?
[01:57] <josephnexus> and can you send me the deb package?
[01:57] <josephnexus> i'm willing to stick it on my blog
[01:57] <yofel> mom
[01:58] <yofel> josephnexus: http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/ogre-plugins-cgprogrammanager_1.6.4-1.1_amd64.deb
[01:58] <josephnexus> excellent
[01:58] <josephnexus> let's try this out
[01:58] <josephnexus> what's stopping from this being submitted to universe or the like?
[01:59] <yofel> it's not that package that needs to be fixed, it fails to build on launchpad due to nvidia-cg-toolkit failing to install
[01:59] <josephnexus> yes, but can't we have packages manually built?
[01:59] <yofel> no
[02:00] <yofel> you can only submit source packages for ubuntu
[02:00] <josephnexus> ah
[02:00] <IdleOne> Daijoubu: libavformat-unstripped-52
[02:00] <Zelozelos> which program was it thats like excel?
[02:01] <josephnexus> oocalc?
[02:01] <Daijoubu> IdleOne, Depends: libavformat-extra-52 but it is not going to be installed
[02:01] <josephnexus> gnumeric?
[02:01] <majnoon> how long before RC is "final" ??
[02:01] <IdleOne> Zelozelos: open office?
[02:01] <josephnexus> thurs 29
[02:01] <IdleOne> Daijoubu: what depends on it?
[02:01] <Daijoubu> it depends on itself and it's not going to be installed lol
[02:02] <Zelozelos> i guess, idk, i need to make some cells for calculating some stuff
[02:02] <josephnexus> oocalc would do it
[02:02] <Daijoubu> IdleOne, libavformat-unstripped-52: Depends: libavformat-extra-52 but it is not going to be installed
[02:02] <josephnexus> zelozelos
[02:02] <Zelozelos> ok thank you
[02:03] <IdleOne> Daijoubu: install it?
[02:03] <Daijoubu> IdleOne, when i try to install ti says libavformat-unstripped-52: Depends: libavformat-extra-52 but it is not going to be installed
[02:03] <Daijoubu> *it
[02:03] <IdleOne> sudo apt-get install libavformat-extra-52 libavformat-unstripped-52
[02:03] <josephnexus> yofel, could you submit your package to the playdeb people?
[02:04]  * josephnexus hasn't tried it yet
[02:04] <Daijoubu> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:04] <Daijoubu>   libavformat-extra-52: Depends: libavcodec-extra-52 (< 4:0.5+svn20090706-99) but 4:0.5.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installed                   Depends: libavutil-extra-49 (< 4:0.5+svn20090706-99) but 4:0.5.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installedE: Broken packages
[02:04] <josephnexus> i'm still installing the latest wesnoth to see if it fixed the problem with not being able to play
[02:04] <josephnexus> hmm
[02:04] <josephnexus> can't play wesnoth
[02:04] <Daijoubu> wraaaaaaaaa O-O installing Karmic >_>
[02:05] <josephnexus> yofel: any ideas there?
[02:05] <yofel> nope
[02:06] <josephnexus> are you experiencing the same issue?
[02:06] <yofel> I haven't tried playing wesnoth for quite a while
[02:07] <josephnexus> it's quite fun
[02:08] <josephnexus> :-P
[02:08] <The_Journey> why is icedtea plugin now activating any java applet?
[02:08] <josephnexus> The_Joyney, i'd suggest switching to sun-java
[02:08] <josephnexus> err... The_Journey
[02:08] <yofel> The_Journey: hm? icedtea is the java applet in ubuntu, what's the problem?
[02:09] <The_Journey> I'm trying on learningpoint.org
[02:09] <josephnexus> yofel... here comes the moment of truth... let's see if your package works
[02:09] <The_Journey> but the applet for me to get my grades aren't working
[02:09] <josephnexus> :-P
[02:10] <The_Journey> I keep getting on status bar Start: applet not initialized
[02:10] <quiritius> can anyone confirm this: log-in -- log-out -- enter a ttyN -- switch back to tty7 = no gdm screen. on tty7 only some text left from boot up…
[02:11] <BiggFREE> bbl
[02:11] <BiggFREE> tc
[02:11] <DanaG> !find libcrypto.so
[02:11] <yofel> The_Journey: ok, can you please file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug icedtea6-plugin' describing your issue? After that remove icedtea and install sun-java6-plugin from the partner repos
[02:12] <josephnexus> yofel... it seems to segfault on me when trying to start a game
[02:12] <DanaG> hmm, how do I auto-install all debug-symbols that are debug-symbols of DEPENDENCIES of a package?
[02:12] <yofel> josephnexus: I'm just installling updates, I'll try it after that
[02:13] <josephnexus> k thanx
[02:13] <The_Journey> yofel: I do not see sun-java6-plugi in Synaptic
[02:14] <yofel> The_Journey: check in software sources if the lucid canonical partner repos is enabled
[02:14] <The_Journey> yofel: yes it is checked
[02:15] <yofel> The_Journey: then try to refresh your package cache, it should be there
[02:17] <The_Journey> yofel: no I still do not see it
[02:18] <yofel> hm, odd it shows here in apt-cache policy as 6.20dlj-1ubuntu3 0 --- 600 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ lucid/partner Packages
[02:18] <yofel> sun-java6-plugin
[02:18] <The_Journey> yofel: is there a deb package that I can download because I do not see the plugin package in synapti
[02:20] <yofel> The_Journey: download the packages you need from here: http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/sun-java6/
[02:20] <yofel> The_Journey: you'll need the plugin and at least the -jre
[02:20] <josephnexus> yofel:  i need to go, the error i'm getting has to do with ogre 1.6 being used, so there is a modification that needs to be made to funguloids to make it work... email me if yours fails to let you start a game (the program starts, but it doesn't let me actually play)
[02:21] <josephnexus> joseph(dot)brower_at_gmail_dot_com
[02:21] <yofel> noted
[02:21] <josephnexus> thanks a ton!
[02:21] <josephnexus> we're getting close
[02:21] <The_Journey> tyvm
[02:25] <bryanr> i am now
[02:25] <bryanr> sure of
[02:26] <bryanr> where i am to go
[02:26] <bryanr> for the rest of forever
[02:33] <Zelozelos> anyone in the mood to write a script? i want to see all the sizes for a 16:9 screen (example 32:18, 48:27, 64:32) up to around 1500:something?
[02:34] <Zelozelos> id do it myself but i dont have the faintest idea where 2 start
[02:34] <bryanr> Zelozelos, start by learning how to yourself. use documentation or tutorials which are available for free online
[02:35] <bryanr> knowledge is power.
[02:35] <bryanr> Zelozelos, wait is your problem ubuntu 10.04 specific?
[02:35] <bryanr> if so I am sorry
[02:36] <Zelozelos> naw its just a curiosity of mine
[02:36] <Zelozelos> ;)
[02:36] <bryanr> best way to learn though is to find existing scripts and edit them to do something different
[02:37] <bryanr> take note of what works and what doesn't. and try to figure out why they do or don't work
[02:37] <EruditeHermit> hey does anyone have experience with broadcom crystalhd?
[02:37] <Zelozelos> you're prolly right, i should know a little scripting anyhow huh,
[02:39] <yofel> that's a simple integer loop with multiplications in it. You can do that with just bash
[02:39] <arand> Zelozelos: for i in $(seq 1 10); do echo $((2*$i)); done   is a start ;)
[02:40] <Zelozelos> wha??
[02:40] <Zelozelos> rofl
[02:40] <Zelozelos> anyhow i gotta go 2 bed thanks arand
[02:40] <yofel> haha, that's already 60% of what you have to write :D
[02:41] <BUGabundo> yofel: still up?
[02:41] <BUGabundo> go to bed, right now
[02:41] <BUGabundo> mums orders!
[02:42] <Jordan_U> arand: {1..10} > $(seq 1 10)
[02:42] <rmrfslash> When I click on "Suspend to RAM" it just does a screen lock.
[02:42] <maco> rmrfslash: does "sudo pm-suspend --auto-quirks" work?
[02:43] <arand> Jordan_U: Stop being elegant!
[02:43] <rmrfslash> Well, I also want to say that setting Suspend to RAM on laptop lid close also does the same thing... just does a screen lock. Suspend to Disk works.
[02:44] <Blue11> my sound card sounds like Battle Star Gallactica mode has been enabled.  Fortunately sudo service cylons stop
[02:44] <rmrfslash> I just ran pm-suspend --quto-quirks
[02:44] <rmrfslash> *auto
[02:44] <rmrfslash> that did nothing
[02:44] <yofel> BUGabundo: will do in a few minutes, still waiting for something *sleepy...*
[02:45]  * BUGabundo snucks half glass of milk, down yofel throath and tucks him in bed
[02:45] <BUGabundo> night
[02:45] <yofel> :D
[02:45] <yofel> night
[02:45] <rmrfslash> maco: I didn't address you exactly, but I'll assume you saw my comments there ^^
[02:46] <LtHummus> If I install the RC, do I need to install the final again when it comes out or will installing updates bring me to the 10.04 final?
[02:46] <Blue11> LtHummus: it should just update
[02:46] <Blue11> to final
[02:46] <LtHummus> Blue11: excellent, thanks
[02:47] <rmrfslash> I don't even see an auto-quirks in the man page for pm-suspend
[02:47] <bryanr> I cannot choose between C# and C++.
[02:47] <Blue11> bryanr: flip a coin
[02:47] <BUGabundo> bryanr: python
[02:48] <bryanr> If I learn C# I will likely be able to get a job if I learn it well enough
[02:48] <bryanr> I also like C++ though, but I am not good enough to get a job as coder of it
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> err.. why is it one or the other?
[02:49] <bryanr> Because I am not open minded enough to learn both
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> Ive tought my self the basics of several dozen languages over the years.
[02:49] <bryanr> I would get too twisted
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> then you proberly dont need to get a job programing if you cant learn both.
[02:49] <LtHummus> bryanr: split the difference and do Java
[02:49] <maco> rmrfslash:  did you use sudo?
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> It pays to have a broad background in things.
[02:50] <rmrfslash> yes
[02:50] <rmrfslash> nothing in syslog either
[02:50] <maco> rmrfslash: file kernel bug?
[02:50] <bryanr> I know so Dr_Willis. I wouldn't mind learning 4 languages if I ahd to
[02:50] <rmrfslash> not yet
[02:50] <bryanr> but time is short for me
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> bryanr:  sounds like you need to either spend more time off IRC.. or pick a different careere path perhaps.
[02:51] <bryanr> it is the same with everything Willis. I have sever ADHD or something
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> I know REXX, PERL, Python (a little), Bash scriptiong (more then python),  tads bit of C, and C++. then various  Machineing station type programing.
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> I used to Really Rock at REXX :)
[02:53] <rmrfslash> maco: you think I should file this under kpowersave?
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> and I could Kick Backside with CanDO :) years ago.
[02:53] <LtHummus> learn something that's only useful on one platform: Obj-C
[02:54] <LtHummus> that being said, Obj-C is a pretty awesome language
[02:54] <maco> rmrfslash: im guessing its a straight acpi bug which is the kernel, isnt it?
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Never heard of it or used it.. but i bet with my C 'core knowledge' i could proberly understand the code to some degree. :)
[02:54] <bryanr> I want to make a program for Ubuntu using CPP. But most of the cool things have already been done
[02:55] <crdlb> Dr_Willis: you've never heard of Objective-C?
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> bryanr:  make a progrm that looks at a video file.. determines its settings, and then tells me the proper ffmpeg, and mencoder commands/options to  convert OTHER video files to be the same 'format/codec/res/fps' as the  'example' file...
[02:55] <LtHummus> Dr_Willis: Objective-C is a strict superset of C, so any C program is an Obj-C program, but that's really where it all ends
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> crdlb:  i dont code for a living. i dont even do much with pcs at work 'for a living'
[02:56] <crdlb> bryanr: there's always room for another text editor or music player ;)
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> Only coding i do at work is to run CNC machines. and i dont do that much any more.
[02:56] <bryanr> i like editors.
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> CNC programing.. now THATS fun. Make a mistake and a machine actually crashes.. with loud noises and sparks!
[02:56] <LtHummus> crdlb: bryanr: or an IRC app :)
[02:57] <bryanr> XChat is pretty good . hmm
[02:57] <bryanr> i will flip a coin on these ideas
[02:58] <LtHummus> bryanr: have you had any experience programming?
[02:58] <bp0> Perl, not PERL
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> COMAL!
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> LISP
[02:58] <LtHummus> JAVA
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> Forth, Fortran!
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> Hypercard!
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> Learn them all.
[02:58] <rmrfslash> submitted
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> well perhaps not hypercard. :)
[03:00] <rmrfslash> guess I'll be doing "suspend to disk" until that baby is fixed.
[03:00] <rmrfslash> or shutting down :-/
[03:01] <bryanr> yes Lthummus
[03:01] <bryanr> C#, a wittle bit of python, and a decent amount of CPP
[03:01] <bryanr> but as for long term experience I am still beginner
[03:02] <bryanr> although I find it easy to learn new things. I have a big problem planning out my projects at times
[03:02] <bryanr> anyway the coin-flip ruled in favor of the text editor / movie reader
[03:02] <LtHummus> bryanr: you should probably learn more on the design aspects of programming
[03:03] <LtHummus> that is if you have problems planning large projects
[03:03] <LtHummus> since it's an important skill in the real world and will go a lot further than brushing up on any given language
[03:04] <bryanr> should I get the UML package from the software center you think, LtHummus?
[03:04] <bryanr> it helps plan this stuff out right?
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> if you have next to no programing skills/knowledge. I would have to suggest learning Python first.
[03:04] <LtHummus> sure it helps plan stuff out, but an app that helps you draw boxes and lines won't help you learn how to look at a design and figure out what's good and what's bad
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> Its handy, well documented, and  simple enoguht you an do things after learning the basics.. but powerfull enough to do bigger projects also.
[03:05]  * LtHummus agrees with Dr_Willis
[03:05] <Blue11> is python compiled or interpreted?
[03:05] <bryanr> interpreted
[03:06] <LtHummus> Blue11: compiled
[03:06] <LtHummus> (at runtime)
[03:06] <Blue11> well that would make it an interpreter then
[03:06] <Blue11> please tell me it's better then the basic I used in skewl
[03:07] <bryanr> python is decent
[03:07] <Blue11> i know old languages, like fortran, cobol, pl/i
[03:07] <LtHummus> Blue11: not quite....interperted/compiled really applies to a given implementation of a language and not the language itself
[03:07] <bryanr> but I like games/hacking games and so the abilities of a language like CPP attracts me
[03:07] <Blue11> LtHummus: correct - but if it's compile at runtime then it's intrepreted
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> Python is/can be both compiled and interperted. :)
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> Not that it matters much these days with our uber-piowerfull pc's :)
[03:08] <LtHummus> Blue11: I suppose, but then under that definition, Java is interpreted as well
[03:08] <Blue11> LtHummus: in my world, yes
[03:08] <LtHummus> and heck, every language is interperted since all the opcodes and such are interperted at runtime by the CPU ;)
[03:08] <Blue11> LtHummus: not true, some compilers generate machine code --
[03:09] <LtHummus> ok, fair enough...i'm just being painfully pedantic at this point :-p
[03:09] <Blue11> ditto
[03:10] <Blue11> writing parsers for any language however, is NON-trivial
[03:10] <thisguykills> hi guys
[03:10] <thisguykills> I need some help with wireless
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> wonder if this will make it into 10.10 -> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/how-to-install-gloobus-preview-in.html
[03:10] <Blue11> thisguykills: what's up?
[03:11] <thisguykills> I have no internet on a netbook, because I need the broadcam update for wireless
[03:11] <etzerd> how to upgrade from bata2 to RC?
[03:11] <thisguykills> is there any way I can download them on this computer running 9.1 and transfer them?
[03:11] <Blue11> etzerd: it will automagically upgrade
[03:12] <Blue11> thisguykills: you could hook to a router, it should have an ethernet card, yes?
[03:12] <etzerd> should I go to console and type apt-upgrade?
[03:12] <thisguykills> I tried connecting it to a router via ethernet cable, but it just loaded and said internet dissconnected
[03:12] <Blue11> etzerd: naw, the update mangler will handle that -- I'm too lazy
[03:13] <Blue11> thisguykills: what kind of ethernet card?  Hint -- lspci
[03:13] <Blue11> get something back like this:  00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[03:14] <etzerd> Blue11: thanks
[03:14] <Blue11> etzerd: np
[03:14] <thisguykills> Bluell: how would I find out?
[03:14] <Blue11> thisguykills: do an lspci on the machine, and it will tell you the ethernet card it's using
[03:15] <thisguykills> !lspci
[03:15] <thisguykills> fail
[03:15] <thisguykills> haha what is lspci?
[03:15] <MTughan> List PCI
[03:15] <thisguykills> how would I go abouts doing that
[03:15] <Blue11> lists all pci devices
[03:15] <thisguykills> in terminal?
[03:15] <Blue11> yup
[03:17] <thisguykills> ethernet controller: Broadcom Netxtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express
[03:17] <Blue11> look for something that says like "Ethernet Controller" and copy/paste the line here.
[03:17] <Blue11> thisguykills: and you ru running the ubuntu 10.04 beta?
[03:17] <Blue11> !hcl
[03:18] <Blue11> hmm that card is not listed in the hcl
[03:19] <Blue11> thisguykills:  nor are any broadcom wlan cards -- so you'd have to go to the manu. site
[03:19] <thisguykills> the Hardware drivers app says I need Broadcam B43 Wireless driver update
[03:20] <thisguykills> manu site?
[03:20] <Blue11> manufacturer's site - (easier to type)
[03:20] <thisguykills> oh haha
[03:20] <thisguykills> so do I just download the driver and transfer it via usb?
[03:21] <Blue11> thisguykills: I have no experience in doing that - perhaps someone else --
[03:21] <Blue11> thisguykills: theorhetically yeah
[03:21] <thisguykills> wait I think I found the download
[03:22] <thisguykills> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=915449
[03:22] <Blue11> kewlness
[03:22] <thisguykills> would that do it?
[03:22] <thisguykills> I downloaded from the second post
[03:23] <Blue11> yeah if it's a tar file then just untar it and install
[03:24] <thisguykills> ok I'll tell you if it worked in a minute
[03:25]  * Blue11 waits for thisguykills patience to be rewarded
[03:25] <gundy> Do the daily build stop now that there is an RC?
[03:26] <Blue11> gundy: not that I am aware of. I d/l a bunch of updates today
[03:26] <Blue11> gundy: oh daily builds - that I don't know
[03:26] <gundy> right, but it doesn't look like there are full ISOs for today.
[03:27] <underdev> 105 updates today
[03:27] <Blue11> underdev: I think I got like 56 today
[03:27] <gundy> Blue11, I want to test, but I can DL the RC and then update.  There is a bug in the installer that will only work right when they re-roll ISOs.
[03:27] <gundy> Like they might for a daily build.
[03:28] <gundy> s/can/can't
[03:28] <Blue11> gundy: I installed from the alpha release several seeks ago
[03:28] <Blue11> let me seee if I have that iso hanging around
[03:30] <gundy> The bug I'm worried about is in parted, so it would have to be fixed in the ISO/installer, not simply via updates.
[03:30] <Blue11> gundy: nope I nuked the iso once I burned it.
[03:30] <Blue11> gundy: can't you use an earlier live cd to handle the parted part?
[03:31] <gundy> I'm sure I could.  I was just hoping to make things easy.
[03:32] <Blue11> gundy: sometimes you have to take 2 steps back, to take 1 step forward -- so seems life at times.
[03:33] <underdev> does life consist entirely of reinstalling ubuntu?  sometimes it seems that way...
[03:33] <Blue11> underdev: no that's windows - but I have done a fair share of schellping with linux
[03:34] <Blue11> underdev: i couldn't recover linux after a windows install, so I was forced to re-install linux
[03:34] <Dr_Willis> given all the stuff ive been beta testing/installing for confirming bug reports.. i will do a reinstall.
[03:34] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: yup
[03:34] <Dr_Willis> Ive had to reinstll windows to 'recover' from .NET not working properly
[03:35] <underdev> oh, it's all my fault.  Either i want 32 bit when i have 64 bit, or i'm screwing with grub2, or...
[03:35] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: do you know if they fixed the memory leak problem, or did they revert?
[03:35] <underdev> installing lucid...
[03:35] <Dr_Willis> Blue11:  news sites say they fixed it
[03:35] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: woo hoo
[03:35] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/xorg-memory-leak-bug-in-ubuntu-1004-fix.html
[03:36] <Dr_Willis> Besides the X.Org Memory Leak bug (marked as critical), 2 other bugs were fixed with this update: #565903  (medium) and #550218  (high).
[03:37] <gundy> Blue11, story of my life.
[03:38] <thisguykills> Bluell
[03:38] <thisguykills> I transfered the files, but I dont know where to put them so they will install
[03:39] <Blue11> thisguykills:  that's a Dr_Willis question its been a long time since Ive screwed with drivers
[03:39] <harrisony> yay the upgrade from karmic to lucid has failed horribly :D now to work out whats wrong
[03:39] <underdev> lol- with all the complaining from apple, i've assumed the horrible memory leaks were from flash
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> Apple is good about talking out of both sides of their mouths. ;)
[03:40] <underdev> that's some good reverse-pr there
[03:40] <Blue11> it looks like they removed the patches and went back to 1.2 -
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> apple and adobe still fighting --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8639240.stm
[03:40] <Blue11> and M$ is good a blowing smoke up people's behinds!
[03:40] <underdev> but yeah, i'm having horrible memory leaks
[03:41] <thisguykills> sorry my internet f'ed up
[03:41] <Blue11> the origin of the phrase "blowing smoke up someone's ass!"  -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_enema
[03:41] <harrisony> can't even get a shell in recovery mode
[03:41] <thisguykills> so where do you think I can put the files to install them
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> what files?
[03:41] <harrisony> plymouth main process killed by segv signal
[03:42] <thisguykills> I transfered the B43 broadcom wireless drivers onto a computer that needs them
[03:42] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: can you help thisguykills - the last time I futzed with untarring drivers, was in my suse days..
[03:42] <thisguykills> but I cant for the life of me figure out how to install them
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> I havent messed with source code drivers in some years wither
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> unp foo.tgz
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> cd foo
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> more readme :)
[03:44]  * Blue11 goes awk - back in ahile breaktime
[03:44] <thisguykills> so does anyone know how I would go about doing this?
[03:44] <harrisony> ok now I get the error "Adding somenumber k swap on /dev/sda5, Priority:-1 extends:1 across: somenumber k"
[03:44] <Blue11> loni might
[03:44] <harrisony> and hangs, any ideas?
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. My broadcom worked out of the box I think.
[03:45] <Viper1432> thisguykills,   have you looked here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx  ??
[03:45] <thisguykills> no not yet
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> I would run a long cable to get the pc onto the internet for a short time. and use the package tools. :)
[03:45] <thisguykills> ill check it out
[03:45] <Viper1432> thisguykills,  go through that page.  several different ways to get things going with broadcom...plus installing assistance.  ;)
[03:45] <thisguykills> I tried connecting it via ethernet and it loaded, but then said internet disconnected
[03:48] <harrisony> how do I disable it trying to load swap?
[03:49] <Jordan_U> harrisony: sudo swapoff -a
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> thisguykills:  clarify that last statement.. You mean to say that Wired networking did not work at all?
[03:49] <thisguykills> no it didn't
[03:50] <thisguykills> I might have connected the wrong wire to it though
[03:50] <harrisony> Jordan_U: yeah I know that but I don't have a shell. system is hanging when trying to add swap, any way I can do it via the command line?
[03:50] <Jordan_U> thisguykills: What exactly did you transfer? There are a few different things you could be talking about.
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> you could boot live cd. and alter the /etc/fstab and disable swap entry
[03:51] <thisguykills> I tried plugging it in directly from the wall
[03:51] <thisguykills> but I forgot that that was a phone line
[03:51] <thisguykills> and I think at that point I messed up the internet
[03:51] <Viper1432> thisguykills,  lol
[03:51] <harrisony> Dr_Willis: thats my next plan :)
[03:51] <thisguykills> so when I connected the other cable it didnt work
[03:51] <thisguykills> because now my wireless doesnt work
[03:51] <thisguykills> lol
[03:51] <thisguykills> I'm using my neighbors
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> You fit a phone jack into your network jack?
[03:52] <thisguykills> no i put it in the phone jack
[03:52] <thisguykills> haha
[03:52] <thisguykills> then I was like, oh crap wrong thing
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> You managed to force a Cat-5 plyg into a Phone jack? thats even harder to do...
[03:53] <thisguykills> no I put a phone cord into a phone jack
[03:53] <thisguykills> my netbook has a phone jack input thingy
[03:54] <thisguykills> im confused on the link you game me  viper
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> Your netbook has an actual Dial up Modem?
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> Not seen that on one.
[03:54] <thisguykills> it says to type :/dkms/$ sudo dpkg -i dkms*
[03:55] <thisguykills> when I type that it gives me an error
[03:55] <Viper1432> thisguykills, don't surf those instructions....read em.  oh and you need to be in the right sub directory (where you untarred the files before you run that dkms stuff.
[03:55] <harrisony> my eee 701 has a dial up modem port
[03:55] <harrisony> no modem in it though
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> its saying to install all the packages that start with dkms.. so you do have such files? and only proper packages?
[03:56] <thisguykills> I have a folder that is supposed to be the drivers
[03:56] <thisguykills> it has no dkms
[03:57] <Viper1432> thisguykills, ....did you notice that part was for installing from a livecd?
[03:58] <Viper1432> from this directory:  ../pool/main/d/dkms
[03:58] <iflema> thisguykills the install media for netbooks is usually a usb thumbdrive. how did you install ubuntu to this netbook?
[03:58] <Viper1432> the very first step in those instructions was this: Navigate the install media and install the following packages in a terminal:
[03:59] <thisguykills> wait what
[03:59] <Viper1432> oh and I did mean to say:  livecd/usb
[03:59] <thisguykills> Im such a noob at this stuff
[03:59] <thisguykills> yeah i installed it from a usb
[03:59] <iflema> thisguykills that is what contains the those files listed
[04:00] <thisguykills> oohh
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> so You made a 'bootable usb flash drive' with some tool (what tool?) and used that to install to do a real/normal install to a pc. ?
[04:00] <thisguykills> I used an ubuntu sponsored thing
[04:00] <thisguykills> i forgot what it was called
[04:00] <thisguykills> unetbootin
[04:00] <thisguykills> thats it
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> Thats not really ubuntu-sponcered. :) but it works vey well
[04:01] <Viper1432> Dr_Willis,  he just spaced out where to navigate to install the dkms stuff he needs to install the bc wifi drivers.
[04:01] <Viper1432> from this page:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[04:01] <iflema> thisguykills those instructions are for the STA hybrid driver... whats the model of ya wlan card?
[04:02] <Viper1432> iflema,  don't over do it.  he said he had the bc43 broadcom drivers.  the first steps on the doc page are to lspci and id them.  if he did that....shrugs.
[04:03] <Viper1432> he needed help installing the drivers, and that page walks you through doing just that.
[04:03] <thisguykills> would that be my network controller?
[04:03] <thisguykills> if so its broadcom BCM4309
[04:03] <thisguykills> i just lspci'ed it
[04:03] <NinoScript> If I have been updating frequently, I have the RC, right?
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> yes
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> Thats how the package manager ystem works :)
[04:04] <darthanubis> gotta love the update
[04:04] <NinoScript> nice :)
[04:04] <darthanubis> scrabbling for the release at release time never made sense to me
[04:05] <darthanubis> just keep current update?
[04:05] <Viper1432> yeppers darthanubis
[04:06] <Viper1432> and that's the right page for you thisguykills  if your lspci indicates bcm4309.
[04:07] <NinoScript> I wanted to try Gnome-Shell, but some packages didn't install and now when I do an update or install/uninstall anything I get this:
[04:07] <Daijoubu> Guys i want to report that the problem with libavform and youtube is not because of Lucid, it's because of Opera browser nto uploading the videos correctly, although youtube reports them as being uploaded successfully.Just installed 9.10 and used Firefox, everything works, Using Opera = Failed to convert file.
[04:07] <hellyeah> i have a problem
[04:08] <NinoScript> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:08] <NinoScript>  docbook-xsl
[04:08] <NinoScript>  gtk-doc-tools
[04:08] <NinoScript> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:08] <Daijoubu> So there's no bug in the libavform unstripped for lucid (i hope, will install lucid now and see if there's a problem when uploading with firefox)
[04:08] <Viper1432> iirc gnome-shell needs to be installed from a ppa to work properly...which one are you using NinoScript ?
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> gnome-shell has had all sorts of issues  lately
[04:10] <NinoScript> Viper1432, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell#Building curl, shell script, then jhbuild
[04:10] <Viper1432> definitely...not from a ppa then.  lol
[04:11] <NinoScript> but I don't think the problem has something to do with that
[04:11] <kklimonda> NinoScript: do apt-get -f install and see what does it propose as a fix
[04:13] <NinoScript> kklimonda, same error :S
[04:13] <Volkodav> anybody converted from ext4 to btrfs ?
[04:13] <kklimonda> NinoScript: then paste full error log somewhere (for example pastebin.com)
[04:13] <Viper1432> I installed gnomeshell from this ppa:  https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing  and while buggy...it does work in lucid.
[04:14] <hellyeah> what is btrfs
[04:14] <kklimonda> a fs of teh future!
[04:14] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  new file system similar to ext4  with new wizbang stuff.
[04:14] <hellyeah> is it better than ext4
[04:15] <Viper1432> no...because its still in a 'beta' state.  -lol.
[04:15] <NinoScript> pastebin.com/GtUDBDYz
[04:15] <kklimonda> hellyeah: depends on your definition of better
[04:15] <hellyeah> hmm
[04:15] <kklimonda> hellyeah: the author of ext4 said that btrfs is the future
[04:15] <hellyeah> performance stability consistency and etc.
[04:15] <hellyeah> hmm
[04:16] <Viper1432> keyword: future.   www.phoronix has been doing testing with it though.
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> most benchmark sites/hardware sites also mention it doing good..
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> of course they also gave good ratines to ext4... but now it   not so  clear.
[04:16] <arand> hellyeah: Although currently, btrfs isn't really faster or more stable, but promises to become.
[04:16] <hellyeah> arand,  hope
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> I will stick with ext3/4 for now. and watch how btrfs develops
[04:17] <NinoScript> kklimonda, it says something about not being able to configure
[04:17] <Volkodav> looks like rollbacks are possible with it too
[04:17] <kklimonda> NinoScript: check bug 512096 for workarounds
[04:17] <hellyeah> developer of btrfs gives a date to finish their work
[04:17] <arand> hellyeah: the snaphotting features is enough to make me weep of joy though.
[04:18] <hellyeah> i dont know snaphotting feature what is it
[04:20] <arand> hellyeah: Snaphot the filesystem at some point, revert completely when things go bad, it's like windows restoration points but actually useful.
[04:20] <hellyeah> hmm
[04:20] <hellyeah> ii got it
[04:23] <hellyeah> if you allow i want to meantion my problem i am in ubuntu lucid and i am using compiz naturally but some plgun works some plugin not despite it is enabled
[04:23] <hellyeah> i start using lucid 2 months
[04:23] <Viper1432> which plugin hellyeah ?
[04:24] <hellyeah> but this problem still stays do you have an idea about that
[04:24] <hellyeah> well for example wobby windos
[04:24] <hellyeah> some animation works some is not for example animation for menu is not wkring but animation for windows works
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> wobbly windows has options as to what to wobble i recall
[04:25] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  do you have the  CCSM manager installed, or are you using the base "appearance" to turn it on?
[04:26] <hellyeah> i have ccsm but i dont have any idea about base appearence
[04:27] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  I was referring to the basic ubuntu way of using compiz through the appearance section.  if you're using the CCSM, then you have much better control over effects.
[04:27] <hellyeah> ha
[04:27] <hellyeah> yes
[04:28] <Viper1432> okay, what do you mean by menu appearance vs. window appearance?
[04:28] <hellyeah> it is on the custom option
[04:29] <hellyeah> for example when i am in debian or ubuntu 9.04 i click application place or system and i see different animation
[04:29] <hellyeah> i told windows for example nautilus,firefox i mean application
[04:30] <NinoScript> how do I join irc://irc.gnome.org/#gnome-shell in XChat? I just get a screen to choose a server, but there's not irc.gnome.org on that list
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> You can set different animations for diffrent windows/kinds of windows
[04:30] <Viper1432> then you would need to adjust the "animations" in CCSM.  It has custom settings for different actions hellyeah .
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> NinoScript:  add the server to xchat's  server listings.. or use the /connect servername  or /server servername command
[04:31] <hellyeah> yes i set all is in random
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> Guess he figured out the server. :)
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> random animations.. thta gets old real fast :)
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> use the Fire or explosion for close. :)
[04:32] <hellyeah> Viper1432,  i know standart procedure it is not really working
[04:33] <hellyeah> i dont understand the reason
[04:33] <hellyeah> may be all compiz package doesnt have same version
[04:33] <ddecator> Dr_Willis: explosion ftw
[04:33] <hellyeah> i was in trouble when i am in debian about different version on compiz packages
[04:34] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  did you upgrade from karmic to lucid or is this a clean install?
[04:34] <hellyeah> clean install
[04:35] <Viper1432> hmmm.  almost sounds like a permissions problem.  I had a similar issue with gnome and it turned out that a .config file was set to 'root' as owner instead of me.  you might want to check the .config/compiz folder to see if you 'own' them.
[04:35] <Viper1432> failing that hellyeah you may definitely want to submit a bug report as after all...we're still in pre-release land. :D
[04:38] <hellyeah> i dont know how can i tell but it is serious problem
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> that no one else seems to have ? :)
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> as a test.. make a new user. see if it affects them.
[04:39] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  you can open nautilus to your home folder.  then ctrl+h to view hidden files.  open the .config folder and look.  if you see a 'lock' on the compiz folder...first clue.  right click the folder and look at the permissions tab.
[04:40] <Viper1432> then go into the compiz folder and look at the files inside there.  if no locks...then not a permissions issue.
[04:40] <Viper1432> I'd tell you how to look at it via command line, but easier via nautilus if you're not as familiar with stuff.
[04:41] <hellyeah> permission sets true
[04:42] <Viper1432> frack. real life interuptus.  bb
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> apt-get remove reallife
[04:43] <Viper1432> :D  if only Dr_Willis  if only.  :D
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> apt-get upgrade wife
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:43] <Dr_Willis>  /cls
[04:44] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  she is asleep right? lol
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> apt-get upgrade wife  --> 'wife removed... have a nice day'
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:45] <hellyeah> but i suppose ubuntu popularity gets priority than wife popularity :d
[04:46] <NinoScript> in the gnome-shell channel, they told me that I should be doing curl+script+jhbuild instead of the PPA :D
[04:47] <arand> NinoScript: Of course, they want you to test the very latest stuff, and produce bug reports ;)
[04:47] <hellyeah> what is gnome-shell
[04:47] <hellyeah> :D
[04:48] <arand> !info gnome-shell
[04:48] <NinoScript> arand, that's what I thought :P
[04:48] <clorox_> :D
[04:48] <hellyeah> what is the difference between gnome-terminal and gnome-shell :dd
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> shell is not a terminal.. its just badly named...
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> its a 'shell' as   a 'tool you interact with to work with the underlaying os'
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> not a 'shell' as in 'bash/sh/dash/fish/'
[04:49] <arand> hellyeah: shell is a desktop envirunment/window-manager comparable to metacity/compiz
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> !info fish
[04:49] <d34dh4ck> anyone here usr snes9x-gtk?
[04:50] <d34dh4ck> use*
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> d34dh4ck:  ive used the snes emulators in the past..
[04:51] <d34dh4ck> both snes9x-gtk and gfceux will not let me configure joypads, snes9x segfaults, and gfceux just dont bring up the configuration (press key) windows
[04:51] <d34dh4ck> using 64bit lucid up to date
[04:52] <d34dh4ck> also tried rebuilding them with apt and still no luck
[04:52] <bryanr> wow
[04:52] <bryanr> i thought windows programming was event driven. but it looks like gtk+ for ubuntu uses the same kind of stuff.
[04:52] <bryanr> right?
[04:53] <NinoScript> d34dh4ck, I use that one! :D
[04:53] <Jordan_U> bryanr: All GUI programming is event driven, it's inherent.
[04:53] <d34dh4ck> NinoScript: you having problems as well?
[04:54] <NinoScript> d34dh4ck, problems with joypads? I have no joypad :(
[04:55] <d34dh4ck> i just switched from arch cause of the way it was handling some libs which caused problems with compiling dolphin, and they both worked fine 64bit and all there
[04:55] <hellyeah> i will smoke jorum black :D
[04:55] <bp0> zsnes is the best snes
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> zsnes wont work on 64bit
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> gsnes seems a LOT slower now then it should be. i just tried it.. it worked.. i remaped the keys on the keyboard.
[04:56] <hellyeah> 64 bit goes to hell
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> but dident try a gamepad. (i dont have one handy)
[04:57] <bp0> damn, you're right
[04:57] <bp0> why no zsnes for 64?
[04:58] <d34dh4ck> devs havent made for 64bit yet
[04:58] <bp0> can the 32bit version be run instead?
[04:58] <d34dh4ck> i think it has something to do with their asm code, and i have compiled zsnes in a chroot before but i aint feeling like doing all that...lol
[04:59] <d34dh4ck> i can configure snes9x manually and run it from cli but it would be nice if the gui worked as well
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> zsnes uses assembly code i recall. thats not really portablt to 64bit
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> snes9x seems to be working here.
[04:59] <bp0> snes9x sucks
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> except its real slow. :)  perhaps thats a compiz issue
[05:00] <d34dh4ck> damn...wonder whats up with it here...
[05:00] <d34dh4ck> possibly...i havent really ever had any issues with slow with it though...
[05:00] <d34dh4ck> course i use a quad core set up so i shouldn't
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> it did crashj just now as i was changeing some settings..  and its still slow with compiz off.
[05:05] <d34dh4ck> yea soon as i hit apply it seg faults...
[05:05] <d34dh4ck> just noticed it wasn't just for joypads
[05:05] <d34dh4ck> that was just what i tried first...lol
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> i was able to change a lot of settings.. but  after trying all sorts of them. eventually i did make it crash
[05:06] <d34dh4ck> hmm...i dont even have to change anything i just hit apply or ok and it segs
[05:07] <gundy> Where did the txt version of the Desktop install go?
[05:07] <d34dh4ck> gdb didn't help none either just reported the mem location and reported a seg faut...lol
[05:08] <Jordan_U> !alternate | gundy
[05:09] <gundy> nice - thanks for the reminder.
[05:09] <Jordan_U> gundy: You're welcome.
[05:09] <bp0> how to get a 32bit package from the repo
[05:09] <bp0> in amd64
[05:09] <bp0> ?
[05:10] <d34dh4ck> you can download them manually from the repo in your web browser...
[05:11] <d34dh4ck> thass what i normally do if its just something small....
[05:12] <d34dh4ck> chroot is pretty easy to set up if you follow a couple guides out there...makes 32bit apps relatively easy to install...
[05:13] <pakete> hi all...just found out that about 1.5 gb disappeared...not installing much of updates...is there a way to free space?
[05:13] <pakete> where doest it go?
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> apt cache perhaps
[05:14] <fatum> The RC is probably the final build?  Probably only minor changes
[05:14] <SwedeMike> pakete: /var something, use cd /var ; du -s * to find it
[05:14] <SwedeMike> fatum: that's the idea.
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> fatum:  in theory - yes.
[05:16] <fatum> Are there many changes from beta #2 to the RC?
[05:16] <pakete> swedemike, it prints 1946908
[05:16] <SwedeMike> pakete: then you cd to that dir to find the files.
[05:16] <SwedeMike> pakete: it's in apt cache something, I doin't remember exactly
[05:17] <bryanr> I just installed ironpython but cannot find it
[05:17] <SwedeMike> pakete: /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:17] <bryanr> my mono install does not display any python related projects
[05:18] <pakete> it is still not that much of space as it has disapeared!
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> what was the command to purge the apt cache...
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> apt-get autoremove   ?
[05:19] <SwedeMike> no, autoremove removes packages no longer needed (looks at dependencies)
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> apt-get autoclean
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> apt-get automaticallytakeovertheworld
[05:20] <SwedeMike> pakete: you can use du -s * in different places to find where you have a lot of disk usage
[05:21] <bp0> there is also accessories -> disk usage analyzer
[05:23] <Volkodav> was 2.6.32 patched for trim support or it is 33 and up ?
[05:23] <SwedeMike> according to wikipedia trim came in 2.6.33
[05:24] <Volkodav> does it really right though ?
[05:24] <Volkodav> work right *
[05:24] <SwedeMike> you need to google to find out, I'd imagine.
[05:24] <Volkodav> different thing pop up
[05:25] <Volkodav> some say it destroyed some info of the drive
[05:25] <Volkodav> was wondering may someone run 33 with trim or patched 32
[05:26] <pakete> cant find anything
[05:26] <pakete> autoclean doesnt clean
[05:27] <Jordan_U> Volkodav: If there were known data loss problems with trim it wouldn't be included in the stable kernel or Ubuntu.
[05:28] <Volkodav> it is not in stable ubuntu yet
[05:28] <bp0> last zsnes news jan '07
[05:29] <pakete> maybe
[05:29] <pakete> i prefer 9.10 for performance, if i didn have to use pptp
[05:30] <pakete> it is impossible to configure pptp in 9.10
[05:30] <pakete> because there is version mismatch
[05:30] <pakete> which is only installable for gnome as from 10.04
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> wow - apt-get autoclean - cleaned out a few GB of files :)
[05:36] <bp0> uhg, ok ive screwed up something
[05:37] <bp0> nothing would work in wine anymore, so i uninstalled wine, then reinstalled it, but the wine menu is not coming back
[05:37] <bp0> how do i get it back
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> uninstalling/reinstalling is windows thinking...
[05:38] <DanaG> Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> actually uninstalling wine - shouldent of touched the users wine menus either
[05:38] <DanaG> er
[05:38] <DanaG> wrong tab in pidgin
[05:39] <bp0> yeah, i did that, when wine was removed there still existed the wine menu with all the items of windows software that was installed, but they were all broken
[05:40] <bp0> so i deleted it from the menu
[05:40] <bp0> then reinstalled win
[05:40] <bp0> also deleted ~/.wine
[05:40] <bp0> in between
[05:40] <bp0> hoping everything would be clean
[05:40] <bp0> but no
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> wine icons last i checked are in ~/.local/share/applications
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> Youmay want to clean that out also.
[05:41] <bp0> well wine is installed again, how do i get its menu back?
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> i rarely worry about the wine dir in the menus. it gets to cluttered. I tend to just use the command line/make launchers for what i need.
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> if you reinstall a windows app with wine. the menu may come back
[05:43] <bullgard4> Why do Ubuntu repositories not offer FreeNX  for download?
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> I would guess legal reasons or other reasons from the FreeNX project
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> or lack of a maintainer.
[05:48] <bp0> installing windows app did not resurrect wine menu
[05:49] <bullgard4> hm
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> perhaps run that alacarte menu editor and see if the wine menu is enabled.
[05:53] <bp0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4025416&postcount=4
[05:53] <bp0> thats really dumb
[05:53] <bp0> delete means delete forever i guess
[05:54] <bp0> worst part....  the menu contains all the old installed programs yet
[05:54] <bp0> wtf
[05:55] <bp0> this delete ... doesn't remove anything, it simply hides it forever?
[05:55] <bp0> never to be replaced
[05:56] <Ken8521> what are you trying to run in wine, that is giving you so many issues
[05:56] <shashi> hi
[05:57] <shashi> I amgetting this on lucid RC, "Modprobe for Tun driver failed", donno how to fix
[05:57] <gerryxiao> hello
[05:57] <gerryxiao> how to know my box is rc?
[05:58] <bp0> Ken8521, i had hulu desktop installed in wine, worked great for a while, then somehow precented wine from doing anything at all
[05:58] <shashi> as tun is built in Lucid, modprobe can't find it.... I want modprobe to be silent or know about it
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> gerryxiao:  update/upgrade.. and it is rc
[05:59] <Volkodav> How do I find out if trim was backported to 32 kernel ?
[06:00] <gerryxiao> Dr_Willis: i mean any command or docs to know whether i have upgraded to rc
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> !update
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[06:00] <Ken8521> gerryxiao, lsb_release -a   in a terminal will tell you if you're upgraded
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> If  you instlled  the beta/whatever  and kept updateing then you are using RC
[06:01] <bp0> Volkodav, only for btrfs
[06:02] <gerryxiao> Ken8521: lsb_release only told me it's lucid
[06:02]  * Volkodav to install .24 kernel then
[06:02] <DanaG> wow, anyone else notice java on this page using extremely high CPU usage? http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~matuszek/General/JavaVersionTests/JavaTests.html
[06:02] <Ken8521> gerryxiao, wel what more do you wnat to know?l.. if it says "Develpment Branch" then you're still using the beta,
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:03] <gerryxiao> it says: Release: 10.04
[06:05] <Ken8521> gerryxiao, well what more do you want to know?
[06:05] <gerryxiao> ok
[06:05] <Ken8521> you asked if the upgrade went ok, it appears it did.
[06:05] <gerryxiao> i don't know what's it says when it's beta
[06:05] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, don't you have to put a && between those?.. i'm a cli virgin, just curious
[06:06] <mxe5> Hi - Can't get Frostwire to run - Not sure if it's version of Java I have installed or what ? Here are a couple of screen captures of (1) run Error - http://bayimg.com/GAmlcaACb This is version of Java installed (2) http://bayimg.com/gAMldaAcb - Any suggestions would be welcome.
[06:06] <Ken8521> gerryxiao, i told you just a second ago, when its beta, it would say 10.04 (development branch)
[06:06] <gerryxiao> it seems java applet not work on firefox,chrome on my box
[06:06] <gerryxiao> Ken8521: ok, thx
[06:06] <Volkodav> indeterminate TRIM support - does that mean not fully ?
[06:07] <underdev> mxe5, you'll need to do three things
[06:07] <underdev> one sec
[06:07] <mxe5> underdev; Ok - Ready
[06:08] <gerryxiao> java plugin not work on my box, how to fix it?
[06:08] <shashi> try iced tea
[06:08] <underdev> gerryxiao: got you covered too, one sec
[06:08] <underdev> i wrote it down somewhere
[06:09] <Ken8521> shashi, can you have java and iced tea installed at the same time?
[06:09] <shashi> I don't know but I had the same issue, so I installed iced tea with open jdk
[06:09] <shashi> that helped me
[06:10] <underdev> okay:
[06:10] <mxe5> underdev: I thought I was the only one with that problem "Can't remember where I put that, etc."
[06:10] <underdev> sudo apt-get purge openjdk*
[06:11] <The_Journey> hi so I upgraded to Lucid Lynx, I heard there's a memory leak with Xorg, I did grep "object bytes" /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/gem_objects and I got 187125760
[06:11] <underdev> then go into synaptic, system->admin->synaptic
[06:11] <The_Journey> does that mean memory is leaking?
[06:11] <underdev> The_Journey: yeah, it's leaking
[06:12] <The_Journey> underdev: how can I fix it
[06:12] <shashi> I amgetting this on lucid RC, "Modprobe for Tun driver failed", donno how to fix
[06:12] <mxe5> underdev: ok just got the - sudo apt-get purge openjdk* - done in terminal...
[06:12] <underdev> on the menu in synapic, choose Settings -> Repositories
[06:12] <SwedeMike> The_Journey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak
[06:12] <underdev> The_Journey: wait? :)
[06:13] <The_Journey> SwedeMike: that website does not have the solution posted
[06:13] <underdev> Go to other software, and check on the lucid partner repository
[06:13] <SwedeMike> The_Journey: how so? it says how to install test packages that they think will fix it.
[06:13] <mxe5> underdev: I already have that checked - ok
[06:14] <gerryxiao> underdev: you mean deleting openjdk instead of sun java?
[06:14] <underdev> y
[06:14] <The_Journey> SwedeMike: I tried but it did not fix it
[06:14] <underdev> then install sun-java6-jre and whatever else from the partner repo
[06:14] <gerryxiao> underdev: ok,i'll try it
[06:14] <underdev> this will get frostwire working
[06:14] <SwedeMike> The_Journey: that was an important fiece of information you omitted to tell.
[06:15] <SwedeMike> piece
[06:15] <underdev> and the plugin, if you install that too
[06:15] <The_Journey> well it didn't work
[06:15] <underdev> okay, i've done my good deed- i gotta run to the store.  good luck all
[06:16] <mxe5> underdev: How about - sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre - that be ok?
[06:16] <Ken8521> so removing openjdk, can be done w/o detrimental effect.
[06:16] <underdev> yes
[06:16] <mxe5> ok thanks man
[06:16] <underdev> Ken8521: yes, but install the sun-java6-jre
[06:16] <Ken8521> right
[06:17] <underdev> many things depend on the sun jre (including frostwire)
[06:17] <underdev> and will not work (yet) with the openjdk
[06:17] <underdev> please Oracle, don't fsck us on this :)
[06:17] <DanaG> openjdk does suck... it uses 100% cpu on that simple, static applet.
[06:18] <underdev> lol- my wife just pointed out if you search for "ascii art" on google, the google symbol changes to ascii
[06:19] <DanaG> viva la 100% CPU usage: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~matuszek/General/JavaVersionTests/JavaTests.html
[06:19] <mxe5> underdev: Yahoooooo - it's working great - Thanks to you
[06:19] <underdev> no problemo
[06:20] <mxe5> Ken8521: Thanks to you as well - just need the other java junk ripped out
[06:20] <Ken8521> ya
[06:20] <mxe5> I was ready to ditch this load and do a reload was getting really frustrated - :)
[06:21] <underdev> were livin on the edge here :)
[06:21] <mxe5> Now just gotta get a web cam to work...
[06:22] <mxe5> underdev: that's for sure
[06:23] <mxe5> If the latest version of Ubuntu is 5mins old - I want it for hardware support - right on the edge :)
[06:24] <shashi> I amgetting this on lucid RC, "Modprobe for Tun driver failed", donno how to fix
[06:24] <Ken8521> whats the tun ddriver?
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure what TUN is.
[06:24] <mxe5> Still trying to get used to closing apps in the left corner -
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking tun was some sort of network drivers for  virtualbox,
[06:25] <underdev> switching that is known as "Step 2" in an install :)
[06:25] <Ken8521> maybe, but i've never had to modprobe vbox network drivers
[06:25] <Ken8521> underdev, lol, step 1 for me
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> is this os running in virtualbox or somthing? or has vbox installed?
[06:26] <gerryxiao> purging openjdk* now
[06:27] <gerryxiao> apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[06:27] <gerryxiao> how to setup google-chrome src in lucid?
[06:29] <underdev> i would mention, that running chrome is much worse than the memory leak situation as far as memory is concerned
[06:29] <underdev> it blew my mind after seeing what chrome was doing
[06:30] <gerryxiao> is it bad than firefox?
[06:30] <underdev> love da chrome/chromium, but the fox is way easier on the ram
[06:30] <underdev> its far far worse than firefox (on ubuntu 10.04)
[06:30] <Ken8521> underdev, i was just noticing that myself... chrome caused my memory to spike to the max.
[06:31] <underdev> yeah, i put the system monitor on my panel to enjoy watching my 4 unlocked cores idle, and the memory graph has been full of surprises
[06:33] <underdev> $99 = proc + mobo w/ 710 south bridge = quadcore phenom 2 @ 3.6 Ghz :)
[06:33] <gerryxiao> mem usage of chrome seems not bad
[06:34] <underdev> i guess its ymmv
[06:36] <hmw> Good moorning
[06:37] <ddecator> morning hmw
[06:37] <ddecator> oh wow, i just tried to tab complete "morning"...
[06:37] <hmw> heheh
[06:37] <hmw> Welcome to the club of tired ubuntians
[06:37] <gerryxiao> why i have to delete pulseaudio to make sound work?
[06:38] <ddecator> you shouldn't need to..
[06:38] <hmw> you should hear, how my box tries to play the login sound
[06:38] <gerryxiao> ddecator: howto?
[06:39] <ddecator> gerryxiao: why do you want to remove pulse?
[06:39] <hmw> I couldn't figure out, how to make the login screen use a certain resolution... it seems, xorg.conf is ignored... any hints?
[06:40] <ddecator> i haven't figured out where gdm's config info is yet..
[06:45] <gerryxiao> ddecator: my sound not work, and i dont' know what's wrong, but after delelte pulseaudio, sound works fine
[06:45] <mxe5> Used to hear song play when you rested your cursor or arrow over a song in Karmic - Does this not happen in Lucid - or do I need to reset my folder settings or something ? ?
[06:46] <dragon> how do I find out what graphics card I have?
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> theres some extra packages I think you install for that feature mxe5
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> dragon:  lspci | grep VGA       perhaps
[06:46] <ddecator> yah, that should work
[06:46] <dragon> Dr_Willis: got it, thanks
[06:46] <ddecator> gerryxiao: hm, that's something crimsun would be better at answering
[06:46] <crdlb> mxe5: there's a setting for it in nautilus
[06:47] <mxe5> crdlb: Will go check - jes a sec.
[06:47] <crdlb> on the Preview tab
[06:48] <dragon> I have an i965 card and X freezes when I try to enable compiz. Is this a known issue? Is this related to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes ? Here's the line from `lspci`: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[06:49] <Ken8521> dragon, compiz works ok for me w/ that device, but Intel has never been really good w/ Linux.
[06:49] <Ken8521> or Ubuntu anyways..
[06:50] <crdlb> I wouldn't go that far
[06:50] <Ken8521> crdlb, i guess i'm used to nvidia, maybe its an unfair comparison
[06:50] <dragon> Ken8521: alright, so I can rule out a hardware-specific known issue since it works for you.
[06:50] <dragon> Where do I start gathering info about this problem?
[06:50] <Ken8521> dragon, no idea, i hate compiz.
[06:51] <dragon> from `dmesg`: [   10.298350] [drm] MTRR allocation failed.  Graphics performance may suffer.
[06:51] <ddecator> Ken8521: blasphemy
[06:52] <Ken8521> ddecator, i think its silly.
[06:52] <mxe5> crdlb: Hmmm - checked but can't get it to work Any idea's?
[06:52] <ddecator> Ken8521: it allows me to be a LOT more productive =)
[06:52] <crdlb> mxe5: so it's not set to Never, I take it?
[06:52] <hmw> how can I change the console keyboard while using the live cd? i tried many things i found on google without succes
[06:52] <Ken8521> ddecator, how exactly is that?... all it is is eyecandy and a resource hg
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> my wife likes the zoom feature. and teh adhd/inverte colors feature
[06:53] <hmw> compiz makes me work faster
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> so its not ALL eyecandy.. just most of it :)
[06:54] <hmw> where is the quotation mark on an american keyboard?
[06:54] <dragon> What does "MTRR allocation failed" imply?
[06:54] <ddecator> Ken8521: grid and scale. i pres ctrl+alt+enter and see all open windows (scale), and grid allows me to place windows where i want on the screen
[06:54] <mxe5> crdlb: Under Edit/Preferences/Preview/Sound Files/ Set to "Always"
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  next to the enter key.
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> jkl;'
[06:55] <crdlb> mxe5: can gstreamer (eg totem) play the file?
[06:55] <mxe5> crdlb: I did have to change it - it was set to never - might have to do a restart
[06:55] <hmw> Dr_Willis: thanks
[06:56] <mxe5> crdlb: Yea they play jes fine in VLC my fav right now
[06:56] <crdlb> mxe5: vlc does not use gstreamer
[06:56] <hmw> xorg.conf seems to be totally ignored
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> !find biosdecode
[06:57] <mxe5> crdlb: Ah - let me go check in Synaptic an see if gstreamer is installed - might of missed that one.
[06:57] <crdlb> mxe5: it is installed for sure, but perhaps not the right codec
[06:58] <crdlb> if totem movie player can play the file, nautilus should be able to as well
[06:58] <mxe5> crdlb: yup which do I need you think? I have all of Medi stuff in repos etc.
[06:59] <crdlb> mxe5: totem should prompt you automatically
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> ive never had that totem-auto-install stuff work.
[07:01] <Ken8521> i can never get the video equalizer to adjust in totem, drives me crazy
[07:03] <hmw> can I change the resolution of the login screen? its way too high
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Never noticed a way to do that hmw
[07:05] <hmw> i used to set the "Modes" in xorg.conf in 9.04
[07:06] <iconmefisto> hmw: does the resolution change after you log in?
[07:06] <hmw> unfortunately, jaunty doesnt run compiz by default :(
[07:07] <hmw> iconmefisto: i am not sure, if i checked this. I could change resols in Gnome, though. Will check, when this current install is through
[07:07] <hmw> my CRT doesnt like 1600x1200 really... i fear it will get damaged, if it has to display the login screen much more often
[07:08] <iconmefisto> hmw: I don't usually use gnome so I'm not sure, but I would think that the login screen should be the same resolution as what normal desktop is set to
[07:08] <hmw> no. if i set 1280, the login screen stays at 1600.
[07:09] <hmw> i used to work the other way around in earlier ubuntu versions - setting "global" resol in xorg.conf
[07:09] <hmw> i really do not like magic :/
[07:10] <hmw> i keep saying this since '95
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> this is a lcd monitor?  or a CRT?
[07:10] <hmw> CRT
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> there is a 'gdm' user that  you can use their settings to tweak some things.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> perhaps you need to do that.
[07:11] <iconmefisto> hmw: well you can still use xorg.conf, maybe that would be simpler?
[07:11] <hmw> xorg.conf seems to be ignored, iconmefisto
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> I forget where i even saw that info at.. You basically launch the config tools needed as the gdm user.  Ive seen it done to tweak the gdm theme/colors/stuff. i dont know if the screen-res would also work that way
[07:12] <crdlb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Setting%20xrandr%20commands%20in%20kdm/gdm%20startup%20scripts
[07:12] <crdlb> looks like it would work
[07:12] <hmw> Dr_Willis: I don't fully understand - how to? What to google for?
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> you some how ran some tools as the user 'gdm' to set themes and colors.
[07:13] <iconmefisto> crdlb: that does work up to karmic, but haven't tried in lucid
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> This was used in the last release to allow some minor tweaking of the GDM login sceeen
[07:13] <hmw> "as user gdm" - I can login as "gdm" and without a password??
[07:13] <hmw> (will be able to try in a few minutes, when install is done=
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7576112&postcount=365
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> no you cant.. thts why you have to do it as a special way
[07:14] <hmw> aah! thanks for the link
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> sudo -u gdm   WHATEVER_THE_RES_TOOL_IS_CALLED
[07:14] <crdlb> that forum link doesn't mention resolution
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> i said. run the tool that runs the monitor res settings.. each user can have their own res now a days.
[07:15] <hmw> crdlb: that's right, but perhaps I get lucky... I will report my results shortly
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> gnome-display-properties
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> sudo -u gdm  gnome-display-properties
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> If you are lucky :)
[07:16] <crdlb> well, the wiki link I posted will probably work if that doesn't
[07:17] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, your sudo gdm trick is clever, but should you use gksu to run a graphical app?  or is the point to have sudo right to the gdm profile?
[07:17] <hmw> crdlb: did you actually use that with Lucid?
[07:17] <crdlb> nope, but I don't think anything relevant has changed in that area
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  i doubt if it matters much
[07:18] <crdlb> I did check that the mentioned files existed though
[07:18] <hmw> crdlb: xorg.conf is apparently ignored
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> the core of the trick is the -u gdm part. If gksudo can do that then it should also work
[07:18] <crdlb> hmw: the wiki trick is entirely independent of xorg.conf
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> I cant test the trick - because of my nvidia cards.. the system res tool dosent controll them. nvidia-settings does
[07:19] <crdlb> basically, you make gdm run xrandr before starting X
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> I had gdm do all sorts of neat tricks befor X started in the past :)
[07:19] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, same nvidia-settings setup here as well
[07:19] <hmw> uhm... i just read the section, you linked, which was a xorg.conf file. I will re read the whole
[07:20] <crdlb> hmw: you're reading the next section down
[07:21] <crdlb> actually, it looks like gdm's mini settings manager does have an xrandr plugin
[07:26] <hmw> crdlb: Putting the xrandr command into /etc/gdm/Init/Default did the trick! I will keep that link in mind, because others keep asking the same questions often! THANKS!
[07:27] <hmw> I tried 4 days of frustrating googeling without finding this one...
[07:27] <crdlb> I'm not positive, but I think Dr_Willis's method would have worked too
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  i just recall the trick frompeople wantign to theme GDM and  stuff :0
[07:27] <hmw> i will try Dr_Willis approach now
[07:29] <ubuntufreak> Even after so many updates the Compiz doesn't work in Ubuntu 10.04, any help on this ?
[07:30] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: what video card?
[07:30] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: it's an onboard ATI3300 graphics
[07:34] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: when you say "doesn't work", what does that mean exactly?
[07:34] <hellyeah> :D
[07:35] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: when i try to enable the 'Visual Effects' it hangs on for sometime and then gives me a message that the effects cannot be enabled
[07:36] <crdlb> try running compiz --replace in a terminal
[07:39] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: Check into this http://goo.gl/9CEe ,, http://goo.gl/Wb2Q
[07:41] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: when i try the compiz --replace i get this message in the terminal http://paste.ubuntu.com/422072/
[07:41] <Consul_Falx> hello people
[07:42] <Consul_Falx> my boot hangs every time
[07:42] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:43] <bullgard4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX: "FreeNX is not included in Ubuntu, so we'll add it from the FreeNX Team PPA." What NX does the DEB program package 'qtnx' belong to?
[07:44] <Consul_Falx> dmesg shows no error, but there is a 20s hang before udev manages to start
[07:44] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/422074/
[07:45] <Consul_Falx> and, I get my /dev/sda2 (fat32 with win2600) fscked with mostly no success
[07:45] <Consul_Falx> the fsck is either externally terminated after 60s, or shows no output, or fixes one or two issues after a minute or so
[07:49] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: check the output of lsmod for radeon and fglrx
[07:50] <crdlb> the problem is "failed to open the DRM", but I'm not sure why that's happening
[07:51] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: here it is for radeon size-674135 used by - 0  for fglrx size - 2092908 used by - 0
[07:52] <crdlb> o_o
[07:52] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: check this paste for the entire log http://paste.ubuntu.com/422078/
[07:52] <crdlb> I would venture to say the problem you are having is a result of the fglrx module being loaded
[07:53] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: i happen to update my 9.10 with the 10.04, will that have some problem since i was able to use it well in 9.10
[07:54] <crdlb> if you installed fglrx manually, you should uninstall it
[07:54] <fatum> I'm thinking about using gparted to format my current Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 partition to try out the RC. I'm not sure if that would mess up grub and my Winblows partition though, because in the past that completely made grub not work.
[07:54] <crdlb> this shouldn't happen with the official packages
[07:54] <fatum> Is grub installed to it's own partition?
[07:55] <crdlb> fatum: dumb question: why don't you just upgrade?
[07:55] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: fglrx package installed when i updated and upgraded the apt
[07:56] <fatum> crdlb:  Ahh that's true, that might be more effective to just upgrade from inside Ubuntu.  I was hoping some of the problems might be resolved on a new installation than to just upgrade.
[07:56] <fatum> Hopefully it would be the same thing essientally
[07:57] <crdlb> beta 2 to RC should be very reliable
[07:57] <fatum> Thanks!  I'll boot out of Winblows and try it out.
[08:01] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: I guess you need to either set your xorg.conf to fglrx to actually use it, or uninstall it so that the radeon driver can work
[08:01] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: so can i just go to synaptic and uninstall my fglrx ?
[08:01] <fatum> Is it possible to verify the current version?  Being beta 2 or RC after the 10.04.
[08:02] <fatum> To determine what the recognized version that is being used.
[08:02] <fatum> That doesn't make much sense, I'm really tired.
[08:02] <crdlb> fatum: just make sure you're up to date
[08:02] <crow> Hi, i found a bug maybe. During install process of xbuntu amd64 desktop, last screen where is whole summary printen, and if you are using only keyboard for installation you cant go to middle window and see of rest of summarys, and there is more because you see it on scroolbar.. egg you cant focus summary window with TAB
[08:03] <fatum> I see this: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_5.0.0ubuntu13_i386.deb
[08:03] <fatum>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:03] <fatum>  when trying to update
[08:03] <fatum> Several times, probably at least 50 times.
[08:03] <fatum> For different files however.
[08:04] <fatum> I assume the files are most likely down then.
[08:05] <hmw> fatum: you might be able to use another country's server
[08:05] <crdlb> update your pacakge list (sudo apt-get update, or via a GUI)
[08:05] <bullgard4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX: "FreeNX is not included in Ubuntu, so we'll add it from the FreeNX Team PPA." What NX does the DEB program package 'qtnx' belong to?
[08:05] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: it's worth a try at least
[08:06] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: would try it then ?
[08:06] <ubuntufreak> crdlb : sorry for the ? typo
[08:06] <iconmefisto> fatum: lsb_release -a  to verify installed version
[08:07] <iconmefisto> fatum: if you see Ubuntu 10.04 LTS you have RC installed
[08:13] <crow> hope someone mark that what i wrote above..
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> !find qtnx
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> !info qtnx
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> qtnx is proberly a freenx client. not the  server
[08:15] <hmw> wth? how do i check, if my script is run with sudo?
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  what are yo trying to do exactly?
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> You can check the $USER variable in a script perhaps.
[08:15] <hmw> prevent my post-install script to be run with sudo
[08:16] <hmw> it always thinks, it is a normal user
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> You mean you want it to run as root? or not?
[08:16] <hmw> now it works... shoot me, please.
[08:17]  * Dr_Willis flips hmw  with a rubber band
[08:17] <hmw> i tried $USER, $UID and $HOME for the check. it never worked until now. I have no clue, what I am doing differently now... argh. sorry.
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> i noticed  this being a little..confuseing.. :)
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> echo $USER
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> sudo  echo $USER
[08:19] <hmw> it's also different, if you do it within a script, i think
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> both are 'willis'   :) i expected the 2nd tobe root.. but  the vari is expanded befor the sudo sees it.
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> right
[08:19] <Consul_Falx> folks
[08:19] <Consul_Falx> please
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> $ sudo "echo $USER"
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> sudo: echo willis: command not found
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:20] <Consul_Falx> my udev hangs on boot
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> Theres been others with a similer issue Consul_Falx   this past week i think.
[08:21] <Consul_Falx> and, my windoze partition get fscked all time, which together totals 2+ minutes of unnecessary delay on boot
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> linux is fscking your windows partiion?
[08:21] <hmw> Consul_Falx: weird... did you put it into fstab?
[08:22] <fatum> How can I access arguments passed off to a shell file?
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> Yea - i would check fstab for starters
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> fatum:  clarify what you mean.
[08:22] <hmw> fatum: play with echo $0 $1 $2...
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> fatum:  the advanced-bash-scripting guide proberly has doezns of examples you are looking for
[08:22] <fatum> hmw:  Thanks!  That's what I was looking for.
[08:22] <ZykoticK9> Consul_Falx, regarding your udev, do you happen to have something about USB in your fstab?  "cat /etc/fstab | grep -i usb"
[08:22] <fatum> I'll check out the guide.
[08:23] <hmw> fatum: that was clearly a RTFM :)
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> !abs
[08:23] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: thanks for your help, the visual effects do work now after removing the fglrx
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> the #BASH people seem to hate the ABS guide.. but ive not seen them offer somting better. :)
[08:23] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: what could have been the cause for this problem ?
[08:24] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: that fglrx was installed :)
[08:24] <crdlb> apparently, having fglrx installed automatically loads its kernel module
[08:24] <crdlb> regardless of whether you're actually using it
[08:24] <bullgard4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX: "FreeNX is not included in Ubuntu, so we'll add it from the FreeNX Team PPA." What NX does the DEB program package 'qtnx' belong to?
[08:25] <Consul_Falx> negative on that, ZykoticK9
[08:25] <hmw> i opened the "System" menu and clicked somewhere else accidentially. Now the open menu hangs there and is unresponsive. How to restart the menu/panel?
[08:25] <ZykoticK9> Consul_Falx, ok.  Best of luck man.
[08:25] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: I'm not positive why it broke on upgrade though; perhaps the way fglrx is packaged was changed
[08:25] <hmw> both panels are "dead"
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> bullgard4:  it looks like a freenx client to me.
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> !info qtnx
[08:26] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: oh ok thats why i had to remove the fglrx package now
[08:26] <Consul_Falx> proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0
[08:26] <Consul_Falx> UUID=e961ee5f-d52e-41fb-ba84-d0fd4a37194b /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[08:26] <Consul_Falx> UUID=A893-8389  /windows        vfat    utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[08:26] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: fglrx is the proprietary ATI driver, btw
[08:26] <hmw> uhoh- forget it... i'll kill X... its utterly broken now
[08:26] <Consul_Falx> this is all i have
[08:26] <bullgard4> Dr_Willis: How do you ingterpret the help.ubuntu.com statement then?
[08:27] <bullgard4> s/intgerpret/interpret/
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> bullgard4:  what statement?  I am going by what you have said and what  the package bot says
[08:27] <crdlb> bullgard4: possibly incorrect/outdated? :)
[08:27] <Consul_Falx> Dr_Willis: there's nothing odd in fstab... what shall I do next?
[08:27] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: oh ok so now the Kernel drivers perform that act instead of fglrx
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> Consul_Falx:  comment out the vfat entry for starters i guess..
[08:27] <bullgard4> Dr_Willis: >	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX: "FreeNX is not included in Ubuntu, so we'll add it from the FreeNX Team PPA."
[08:27] <Consul_Falx> hh
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> bullgard4:  they made a PPA repository for the FreeNX server.
[08:28] <bullgard4> crdlb: Thank you for commenting.
[08:28] <Consul_Falx> the weird is that I get no errors if fscking from konsole, or from windows itself
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> Consul_Falx:  your fstab entry for /proc is difernt then mine --->
[08:29] <Dr_Willis>    proc/procprocdefaults00
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> silly tabs
[08:29] <Dr_Willis>    proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[08:30] <Consul_Falx> and, $ sudo dosfsck -rtvV /dev/sda2 HANGS
[08:31] <Consul_Falx> Dr_Willis: does it mean I have to change my proc entry?
[08:31] <robin0800> Consul_Falx: I've got proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0     from a clean install
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> This was a clean install also.. a few weeks ago
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> try changeing it. i guess.
[08:33] <robin0800> Dr_Willis: not sure unless this has been changed in the RC
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> I dont really see why  the noXXX stuff  are needed
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> right - this was from Alpha3 :)
[08:34] <Consul_Falx> you believe if leaving sda2 entry, udev will come to sanity? :>
[08:34] <conb123> Does the lucid rc support fglrx properly yet because when I tried beta 2 my radeon jfs 5750 would not work
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> theres been tons of updates since Beta2
[08:34] <conb123> *radeon hd
[08:36] <hmw> conb123: i wouldn't expect any improvements on fglrx
[08:37] <robin0800> Consul_Falx: my full fstab http://paste.ubuntu.com/422089/
[08:37] <conb123> hmw: damn are they planning on fixing it for the final release because otherwise they will lose a lot of users will they not?
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> testing out the rc in virtualbox. :0 Pymouth still sput out some text. :0
[08:37] <hmw> conb123: that is up to ATI, not the open source community. Expect the free driver "radeon" to be improved.
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> but GOLLY the live cd booted fast.
[08:38] <simontol> Hi, how the empty txt field in indicator-me applet is expecting to work? I've tried to write something and press enter but non update was sent to my twitter account.
[08:39] <Consul_Falx> conb123: I do believe open driver will manage the videocard soon
[08:39] <conb123> hmw: yeah I suppose so, but why can we not use the same open source driver as before
[08:39] <conb123> Consul_Falc: oh good thanks
[08:40] <simontol> ohh... sorry it is working now... ;-)
[08:41] <hmw> conb123: sometimes I feel like /joining #ubuntu-rants
[08:42] <Consul_Falx> okey
[08:42] <Consul_Falx> let's throw the /windows overboard and pray udev gets sane again
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> I found a cool tool.. but if i mention it here.. everyone will overload the service. :) heh
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> I just made my own custome Ubuntu ISO. with  ubuntu tweak and other tools and gimp and so forth allready installed. :)
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> https://build.reconstructor.org/#
[08:49] <hmw> want
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> I was able to upload .deb packages and it put them on the live cd also
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> and other files as well
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> Only issue i saw was it dosent show you the total size befor you build it. I ended up wth a  1gb iso
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> and the inteface is a little quirky
[08:51] <hmw> lol
[08:51] <hmw> is it just me, or does Grub2 suck?
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> ive had very few issues with it
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> and it has some neat features
[08:52] <hmw> i just want to edit the boot lines... well... i hope, i can do a combination of this autoscan and predefined vga= values
[08:52] <mfraz74> only problem i had was when i couldn't access the boot menu and had to edit it manually
[08:52] <ZykoticK9> hmw, vga= isn't compatible with Lucid's kernel BTW
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> its not used by grub2 any more either i thouight *vga=*  i though was obsoleted
[08:53] <mfraz74> what do you use instead of vga= now?
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> theres options in /etc/default/grub  i belive
[08:53] <hmw> i can't create different boot enties with different vga modes anymore? argh *headdesks*
[08:54] <hmw> this is a conspiracy of the commercial software industry, friends!
[08:54] <hmw> i chose Linux in hope of getting rid of all those wizards and magic and "fun" stuff :/
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> cant say that  i ever needed to hmw
[08:54] <ZykoticK9> mfraz74, hmw what i used to get frame buffer resolutions - http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth-resolution
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> blame it on Plymouth
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> grub2 basics -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[08:55] <hmw> funny... that method makes ALL linuxes use that resolution... i would like to use grub as a menu to select the resol :(
[08:56] <hmw> well... i am reading the grub2 wiki now
[08:56] <mfraz74> yeah, plymouth sucks
[08:56] <hmw> at least they provide instructions on how to repair grub from the live cde
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> wait till you see the framebuffer module geting loaded  - even if you blacklist it....
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> saee the url i gave and the line ---->
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> "VGA Deprecated" Message on Boot
[08:57] <mfraz74> zykotick9: is the colour depth part necessary?
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> There is a vga conversion table located at: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gensplash  From the GRUB 2 command line, you can run "vbeinfo" to see resolutions supported by your system.
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> In theory you could make grub2 config scripts that generate an entry for EVERY video mode if you wanted to :)
[08:58] <ZykoticK9> mfraz74, don't know for sure, never tried without
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> You just dont use the vga= type syntax any more
[08:58] <hmw> i am trying to wrap my mind around these multiple files thing in /etc/grub.d
[08:58] <mfraz74> ok, better take a look at my other computer later then
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> Unless im missreading that wiki page.. Hmm,..
[08:59] <hmw> the wiki page tells you how to make a global default
[08:59] <hmw> i am short of giving up using Ubuntu and making my own LFS again...
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> Have fun.
[09:00] <crow> during installation process of xbuntu amd64 desktop, i selected to setup manualy partition, before that i did dd harddisk with zeros, i setup new partition assigned as root, and to format it(checkbox), but on summary page there is: No partition table changes and no cretion of file systems have been planned. If you plan on using already createdfile systems, be aware that existing files may prevent the
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> You are just a framebuffer/console addict?
[09:00] <hmw> Sure. argh. No, I wont do LFS... it hurts too much :)
[09:00] <iconmefisto> hmw: put custom grub configs in /etc/grub.d/40_custom and they should remain untouched, eg when you get kernel upgrades and grub menu is regenerated
[09:00] <hmw> i am a control freak, at least when it comes to Linux
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> You do know theres a 'fbset' command to change the console modes on the fly?
[09:00] <crow> prevent the successful installation of the base system
[09:01] <bp0> oh, there is a bug in the volume control
[09:01] <hmw> only one bug?
[09:01] <crow> Creating ext4 file system for / in partiton #1 SCSI1 (0,0,9) (sda)... <-- but after hitting Foward/Install button i saw this so its fine
[09:02] <bp0> well, a just noticed one
[09:03] <hmw> i consider the 10000x6000 pixels console fb mode an easter egg *g*
[09:03] <bp0> but omg, thank you ZykoticK9 for mentioning this: http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do
[09:04] <ZykoticK9> bp0, enjoy :)
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> I use  2+ monitors.. so im not even sure the fb console can do that  :)
[09:05] <hmw> of course it's not 10.000 by 6.000 but I almost need a magnifier to read the stuff
[09:05] <bp0> that should really be in the topic
[09:11] <hmw> rhetoric question: why is this thing in /etc and not longer in /usr/lib: /etc/lsb-base-logging??
[09:12] <Consul_Falx> Dr_Willis, hmw > omitting the partition didn't speed up udev, it still needs 13sec to start
[09:12] <Consul_Falx> and it doesn't seem like I could clean the sda2 partition even if it isn't mounted
[09:13] <hmw> lol... i always forget to update-grub before rebooting... old habbits
[09:14] <Consul_Falx> hmm, and kwin composition didn't start this time
[09:16] <mfraz74> how long has doing /etc/init.d/process restart been depreciated?
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> a long time...
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> as in ive never seen anyone do that befor. :)
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> use of /etc/init.d/XXXX is slowly getting phased out also
[09:18] <hmw> i miss sysv-init, it was so easy
[09:18] <maxagaz> how to active chinese input method in kubuntu ?
[09:18] <mfraz74> only noticed the other evening when i tried to restart samba, which has also changed name
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> sudo service Servicename action   :)
[09:19] <hmw> well... this service thing removes the possibility of using tab completion... /etc/init.d/sam<TAB>
[09:19] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. actually i thought it tab completed here.
[09:19] <hmw> i wonder, what kind of people are making those decisions
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> yes.. it does tab completion.
[09:20] <hmw> wut? how?? *cheking*
[09:20] <Dr_Willis>  sudo service sm<tab> worked..
[09:20] <hmw> not here
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> It hates you
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:20] <hmw> yes :))
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> go to /etc/init to see the service names
[09:20] <hmw> oh... it is smbd again now
[09:21] <hmw> i like
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> yes.. its not samba :)
[09:21] <hmw> oh... service might be just an alias
[09:21] <hmw> however... Grub2 dioesnt want to make the fb resol lower than 10.000.000 x 6.000.000
[09:26] <red2kic> moblock does not exist for lucid (yet). ;(
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> make a ppa for it
[09:28] <red2kic> no, you make a ppa for it.
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> you wait for me then ..ok. :)
[09:28]  * Dr_Willis would laugh if theres allready a ppa for it
[09:28] <red2kic> sure. amd64. :)
[09:29] <red2kic> i could try and force installation using karmic amd64.deb but that's just asking for a trouble.
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jre-phoenix/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> so they will proberly get lucid out soon
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> or try changeing it to lucid and see if it works. :) they may allredy have it out
[09:31] <red2kic> Heh. I checked the repo. lucid does not eixst.
[09:32] <Consul_Falx> Dr_Willis: also, what am I to do now with the boot?
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> what boot?
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> put your boot on your feet
[09:33] <Consul_Falx> udev hanging on boot
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> no idea really. You did check the forums/bug reports to see if others have similer issue?
[09:34] <red2kic> Note to self: The previous nickname made more senses than the new nickname.
[09:34] <BobSapp> ?
[09:34] <hmw> when using Compiz, dragging windows, which are already snapped to an edge of the screen, is very slow. Does anyone know, how to remove that "feature"?
[09:34] <Consul_Falx> [    2.290226] ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]  GUID[00e01800037b03f5]
[09:34] <Consul_Falx> [   23.258592] udev: starting version 151
[09:35] <|Quartz|> Hello. How install the packages of ruby and its dependancies of 9.10 on ubuntu 10.04?
[09:35] <BobSapp> they have to make sense now?
[09:35] <Consul_Falx> these are the two consecutive rows of dmesg
[09:38] <BobSapp> So I burned http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso to a dvd and tried to boot it, The isolinux graphic appears but when I select any option the screen goes blank and then disk/disc activity stops. Im using a samsung r60 plus laptop with 2gb ram, 250gb hard disk and ati onboard radeon xpress 1250
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. You burnt a cd iso to a dvd disk?  Ive never had that work...
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> but if it boots.. i guess it worked..?
[09:39] <red2kic> Dr_Willis: As long as your device are capable of reading dvds, sure. I have burned 12mb mini.iso to dvd. :(
[09:40] <red2kic> BobSapp: You could try alternative and see if it occurs the same.
[09:40] <red2kic> !alt | BobSapp
[09:40] <BobSapp> 10.04 has an alternative iso?
[09:40] <red2kic> BobSapp: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[09:41] <BobSapp> ah thanks red2kic
[09:41] <red2kic> BobSapp: Best to md5sum the iso before you burn it.
[09:41] <BobSapp> willdo
[09:46] <chris_> I have a problem with keyboard layouts: I use the US and German layouts, but I want the US one to be the default. However, I can't set it to default in the "Keyboard preferences" (no checkbox for that) and after some time it randomly switches back to german.
[09:47] <hmw> chris_: i think, the order of entries is the key - the top most should be the default, but I dont guarantee it.
[09:48] <chris_> @hmw: already tried that, US is at the top. Still I don't get why the "default" checkbox was removed
[09:48] <hmw> because now it is "easier"
[09:49] <chris_> :)
[09:50] <iconmefisto> are these changes to gnome? or ubuntu-specific?
[09:50] <chris_> I don't want to switch distros or reinstall just for that, because other than that I like 10.04 ... but this is really annoying
[09:50] <hmw> i think it is gnome in this case, but not sure
[09:50] <chris_> could be, of course
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> Cool - that reconstructor web site - let me make my own Ubuntu ISO that included flash player :)
[10:01] <chris_> @hmw @iconmefisto I found the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/521290
[10:03] <hmw> well, we'll see, if they decide to repair it. I am still unsuccessful with setting a console resolution, it still uses 1600x1200
[10:04] <pac0> hello all people, good morning
[10:04] <pac0>  i just update to 10.04 and got one ati Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT, its recommended to install  the privative driver?
[10:05] <hmw> if it works, don't touch it
[10:05] <robin0800> hmw: Grub2 documetation tells you how to do it
[10:05] <hmw> robin0800: nope. something else overrides the settings
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> there is the vgafb16 module thats gets loaded here ive noticed. perhaps thats doing it
[10:06] <robin0800> hmw: is this an upgrade?
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> vga16fb
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> the 'fbset' command might let you change it to some other mode also
[10:07] <hmw> robin0800: no, freshly installed
[10:07] <hmw> Dr_Willis: fbset will only work, if i put it to rc.local or something similar, right?
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> you  could perhaps make a service to do it.. but rc.local would be an easier place to add it
[10:08] <hmw> grep Console /var/log/messages shows me, that it uses the correct resol, but it gets overwrtten 2 more times until the boot is finished
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  actually you could put it in /etc/init/tty1.conf  perhaps...
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. that may not work.
[10:09] <hmw> additionally, it does not show the boot messages, until it loads gdm, then it more or less "blends over" from console to login-screen :/
[10:09] <hmw> they should not program blending effects, if they don't work correctly. I never saw anything better than 3 fps
[10:10] <hmw> i have a strong feeling, that the decision makers of Gnome (or Ubuntu itself?) are trying to compete with Windows 7
[10:11] <yofel> well, they are, it's just that plymouth seems to be harder to get to work than you think...
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> I wonder how wellit works under redhat.
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> new install on a nother machine.. I see a blinking _ - untill gdm loads. :)
[10:12] <yofel> well, haven't tried it much, but the fedora 12 boot looks pretty smooth
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> so perhaps by 10.10 they will get it figured out
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> and we can have animted-anime-boot screens
[10:12] <hmw> i don't want any graphics at all... i like the normal Linux boot messages with nice green [ OK ] messages. Perhaps even not loading GDM at all
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> with fembots fighting evil empires!
[10:12] <yofel> Dr_Willis: actually I see plymouth for about 2sec after the blinking _
[10:12] <yofel> lol
[10:12] <hmw> I am considering fedora
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  i disabled the plymouth service (/etc/init/plym*) files and have that on thos other box.
[10:13] <yofel> I don't like fedora as it uses RPM, but it's nice otherwise
[10:13] <hmw> i am trying to make a mirror copy of my current install for not having to boot off the CD all the time. after that i will try more things. thanks for the hint
[10:15] <yofel> well, you can always just remove 'splash' from the kernel line, but that will currently prevent you from seeing mount failure messages
[10:16] <hmw> wut??
[10:16] <yofel> lucid boot is *so* broken -.-
[10:16] <hmw> (i removed that already)
[10:16] <yofel> let me look for the bug
[10:16] <hmw> wow
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> i always change splash to 'nosplash'
[10:17] <hmw> what's the difference to simply remove it?
[10:17] <yofel> bug563916
[10:17] <yofel> bug 563916
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> no differance.. it just easier to rember
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> used to be splash/nosplas fb/nofb  and a few other optins ages ago.
[10:18] <hmw> hmm... perhaps i can make it use 80x25 VGA Text mode...
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth
[10:18] <yofel> hmw: what's your graphics card and driver?
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> Show Text instead of Plymouth during boot
[10:18] <hmw> intel 82865G
[10:21] <yofel> hm, that means that KMS is used which should use the highest possible res I guess
[10:21] <yofel> did you try gfxpayload?
[10:21] <hmw> yes
[10:21] <hmw> it is actually working, but something else resets the resolution later on... according to grep Console /var/log/messages
[10:22] <hmw> i am currently waiting for dd to finish
[10:22] <hmw> looks like it is crashing or so, it has little cpu load and is running for quite a while now... how long can it take to dd 7 GB??
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if its plymouth and/or that fbvga16 module
[10:22] <pa> hello
[10:23] <yofel> hmw: depends on the link speed, does iotop -o still show the process?
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  you did give it a BS= option?
[10:23] <hmw> no, normal dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sda3 as I always did it before.
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> You should get in the habbit of alwyas using a BS= option. that will speed it up proberly by a factor of 2 or more
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> or was it  bs option.. i forget
[10:24] <hmw> ok, noted
[10:24] <pa> question: is it possible to set up gnome so that the task bar shows only one of the twwo side buttons for hiding the bar?
[10:24] <hmw> pa:  no.
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> pa:  never seen that done.
[10:25] <pa> shit.. pity
[10:25] <pa> thanks however
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> like a little bitty button on both sides makes the os unuseable? :)
[10:25] <pa> no, but on one side only is better
[10:25] <hmw> in my opinion, the whole hide buttons are useless.
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> thres always the autohide option
[10:26] <hmw> often cause things to crash.
[10:26] <pa> i hate the autohide, and a little button on one side to hide the bar could be useful
[10:27] <hmw> iotop says, it is still working... woohoo
[10:27] <robin0800> pa you can do that but only on both sides
[10:28] <pa> yes :(
[10:28] <hmw> hmm... iotop claims, dd was reading 6.3 MB/s but only writing 3.3 MB/s. what is this insanity? lol
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> lack of a bs option for starters?
[10:30] <hmw> i didnt want to interrupt it, since it was running already for quite some time
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> 1024, or 2048  or so,mthing a little higher will make it mich faster
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> dont go over kill and make it 2gb or somting silly :)
[10:32] <hmw> hmm... this speed (aka slowliness) is not normal
[10:34] <hmw> hmm... its not much faster with bs=1024, instead of 3.1MB it is writing 4 MB
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> try 1024*4
[10:35] <hmw> can i just cp -a a whole Ubuntu system?
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> best to use tar, or some tool like fsarchiver
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> !info fsarchiver
[10:36] <hmw> again RTFM hooray.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> fsarchiver is WORTH learning about.
[10:36] <hmw> i just want to clone the system
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> it can copy/clone and verify the copies.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> and some other nice features.
[10:37] <hmw> usually i work with partimage
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> its similer to that. but works differently
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> the homepage compares the 2 progrms
[10:38] <hmw> perhaps this 40 GB drive just is that slow
[10:39] <hmw> i wonder, if i can make grub2 update the conf on a drive, that is not active... will i have to chroot?
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> going from sda1 to sda2 is also a bit of a  bottleneck also
[10:40] <Aison> hello
[10:40] <Aison> i don't know if it's a problem of ubuntu 10.04 or eclipse, but after 5min of working with eclipse, it hangs
[10:40] <Aison> I have to do killall java to terminate it
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> i never use eclipse. so cant verify
[10:41] <Aison> it's new since ubuntu 10.04
[10:42] <maxagaz> how to have sound in skype on kde ?
[10:43] <starplex> there was a little problem when i initially installed ubuntu lucid
[10:43] <starplex> i also installed kubuntu-desktop with apt-get
[10:44] <starplex> at the beginning when i logged in with kde, gnome and kde run simultaneously
[10:44] <starplex> i had both gnome panel and kde taskbar :D
[10:45] <hmw> when I install another instance of Lucid to /dev/sda3, what will it do to my main install on sda2? especially what will happen tp Grub2? Will it be left on sda2?
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> one of them will take over grub (the latest i imagine) and  should in theory see theother installs and add them to the grub menu
[10:46] <hmw> argh
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> of course if you booted to the OTHER one. and ran update-grub. then IT would take over grub
[10:47] <hmw> oh nice
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> if they were on 2 different HD's you could set them up to put their loader on  the specific HD they are on.
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> but even then. the 'update=grub' stuff will scan/see the other os's and add them to the menus
[10:48] <hmw> yes, i need to chroot... damn Grub2
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> I installed to a USB hd. it saw and  added the internal HD's to the grub  menu on the usb hd,
[10:48] <maxagaz> i just installed kubuntu 10.04, amarok doesn't read my mp3, is it a known bug ?
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> You need to install some support packages for mp3 i belive.
[10:49] <hmw> maxagaz: sounds like you're missing codecs?
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> try the kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[10:49] <maxagaz> hmw: which ones ?
[10:49] <maxagaz> okay
[10:49] <coolnix> Hi, I got a problem after upgrade from karmic to 10.4.. apparantly did not define correctly grub pc configuration
[10:49] <coolnix> the installation terminal said that my choice was BAD
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> where did you tell it to instll to?
[10:50] <coolnix> now after rebbot there is only the grub-rescue
[10:50] <starplex> how do i make kubuntu save my pass for a session
[10:50] <starplex> i need to type it every time in the terminal or synaptic
[10:50] <coolnix> well I had 5 choices and did not quite get the information in help
[10:50] <coolnix> I chose sda1 and sdb1
[10:50] <hmw> starplex: look into "pamusb"
[10:51] <coolnix> and probably I should have chosen sda
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> grub normally goes on the MBR of the drive.. ie:  sda or sdb  not sda1/sdb1
[10:51] <coolnix> can I change that still?
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub
[10:51] <hmw> !grub2
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> why did it even ask i wonder..
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> i recall some dpkg-reconfigure thing where it asked me where to put grub. because it saw it on several of my hd's :)
[10:53] <coolnix> fixgrub is a command that is to be entered at grub-rescue prompt?
[10:53] <hmw> coolnix: the wiki Grub2 page explains how to repair grub2
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> !bot
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> Notice it was a BOT trigger. :)
[10:55] <red2kic> ubottu: i can has pies?
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> also ==> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275   good grub info
[10:56] <Take0n> hello folks
[10:57] <coolnix> Hi, I was thrown out: is fixgrub a command that is to be entered at grub-rescue prompt?
[10:58] <red2kic> coolnix: No. Read the factoid.
[10:58] <red2kic> !fixgrub | coolnix
[10:58] <coolnix> no, i lost grub after upgrade to 10.4
[10:58] <coolnix> it wanted to know where grub is to be installed and the help text was confusing
[10:59] <Take0n> I was here 2 days ago telling you about a problem I have with lucid and login window. Almost every time I boot ubuntu, when it is about ti show the login window it just goes blank screen and nothing happens. I am also unable to turn off my computer at this point so I have to unplug the charger and the battery.. It takes more than 5 times to successfully log in to ubuntu :\ You told me to edit grub menu.lst and disable/remove splash but it didn't he
[10:59] <Take0n> lp. Is there any other solution to this prob?
[10:59] <coolnix> so i chose sdba1 and sdb1 instead of sda
[10:59] <coolnix> red2kic: what is the factoid?
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> i always put my grub on sda or sdb or sdc (depends on the hd i am booting)
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> not sda1 sdb1 or sdc1
[11:02] <red2kic> coolnix:  1. unreliable information: something that may not be true but is widely accepted as true because it is repeatedly quoted, especially in the media   2. single fact: a small and often unimportant bit of information.
[11:02] <dstaubsauger> hi, is there a way to remove the evolution email client without breaking half of the gnome desktop?
[11:02] <coolnix> Dr_Willis: but do you mean booting from the BIOS point of view or booting your Ubuntu?
[11:03] <red2kic> dstaubsauger: If you're talking about ubuntu-desktop, It's a metapackage and can be removed safely.
[11:04] <Take0n> so is there a solution to my prob? is it a known bug maybe?
[11:04] <dstaubsauger> red2kic: what about all those gnome-panel things?
[11:04] <Take0n> is it because of plymouth?
[11:05] <red2kic> dstaubsauger: What package are you trying to remove?
[11:05] <rww> dstaubsauger: evolution is fine to remove. evolution-data-server is not evolution, and is important.
[11:05] <yofel> Take0n: what graphics card do you have again?
[11:06] <dstaubsauger> rww: aaahhhh, this explains all the dependencies :D
[11:06] <Take0n> nvidia on an hp pavilion notebook
[11:06] <yofel> Take0n: nouveau or nvidia driver?
[11:07] <Take0n> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce Go 6150] (rev a2)
[11:07] <Take0n> yofel, how do I check?
[11:07] <GSF1200S> is anyone in here able to boot Lucid with an Nvidia card?
[11:07] <Take0n> not sure I understand what you asked :p
[11:07] <yofel> Take0n: did you install the nvidia driver? if not, you're using nouveau
[11:08] <Take0n> I didn't install any drivers manually when I installed lucid
[11:08] <Take0n> nouveau is the new nvidia driver in lucid?
[11:08] <yofel> ok, can you try to add 'nomodeset' where quiet splash was?
[11:08] <GSF1200S> I have a 9800GTX+ and not a linux distro out there will boot
[11:08] <Take0n> yofel, instead of quiet splash I should add nomodeset?
[11:09] <Take0n> is there a way to disable plymouth? if it's what causing this problem of course
[11:09] <GSF1200S> they all freeze either 1) while the kernel boots (Ubuntu 10.04, Arch) or 2) At the desktop (sidux)
[11:09] <yofel> GSF1200S: I had a similiar case in another channel where a 9600 + nvidia195 + kernel 2.6.32 resulted in a kernel panic, can you try 2.6.34 from the kernel ppa?
[11:09] <rww> Take0n: remove the "splash" keyword from /etc/default/grub, then run sudo update-grub
[11:09] <Take0n> rww, I did so
[11:10] <Take0n> but it didn't solve my problem
[11:10] <rww> Take0n: do you still get a graphical splash screen?
[11:10] <yofel> Take0n: put it there, doesn't matter if you keep quiet splash or not
[11:10] <Take0n> rww, no
[11:10] <Take0n> yofel, ok
[11:10] <rww> then your problem isn't plymouth
[11:10] <GSF1200S> yofel: kernel ppa? how do I install it when I cant even boot the OS?
[11:10] <rww> try nomodeset, as yofel says
[11:11] <dstaubsauger> thanks rww!
[11:11] <GSF1200S> already removed quiet splash and added nomodeset, still wont boot
[11:11] <GSF1200S> it booted once
[11:11] <Take0n> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"
[11:11] <Take0n> like this right?
[11:11] <yofel> GSF1200S: nomodeset  has no effect on the nvidia driver, can you try to boot with 'blacklist=nvidia' ?
[11:11] <yofel> Take0n: yes
[11:12] <Take0n> thank you
[11:12] <GSF1200S> yofel: I tried adding blacklist nvidia to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and it still froze.. same yeah?
[11:12] <yofel> GSF1200S: if that doesn't help boot a live disk, chroot and remove the driver
[11:12] <Take0n> IF the problem remains, what should I try next?
[11:12] <kuttans> hello im unable to mount swap space
[11:12] <yofel> kuttans: error message?
[11:13] <kuttans> mountall: skipping mounting /dev/mapper/cryptdisk-swap .plymouth not found
[11:13] <kuttans> where as plymouth is working nice and responding too..
[11:14] <yofel> Take0n: I don't think that *I* can help you then, best you ask again later
[11:14] <kuttans> any idea what might have gone wrong
[11:14] <Take0n> yofel, np thanks for helping! Hopefully I won't need to ask about this problem again
[11:15]  * yofel has no idea how cryptsetup works and stays silent...
[11:15] <Take0n> btw, which driver do you think I should use? if the problem remains, should I maybe try nvidia driver instead?
[11:15] <hmw> argh... dd said no "space left on device" and i cant mount the fs... probably due to "round to cylinders"?
[11:16] <hmw> why should i "round to cylinders", when creating partitions?
[11:18] <kuttans> cpio: ./lib/plymouth/.so: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[11:18] <kuttans> whats the problem it just happened while im updating my system. can anyone tell me  pls
[11:19] <kuttans> yofel: any idea about this update-initramfs failure?
[11:19] <acicula> excess / in there?
[11:19] <om26er> any way to install anjal 0.3?
[11:20] <yofel> kuttans: that *exact* error? maybe the path is wrong as there is no ".so", but details.so label.so and script.so
[11:21] <kuttans> yofel: checked the path is there
[11:21] <kuttans> im now trying to reinstall all the plymouth themes
[11:21] <kuttans> yofel: its done, i think the update broken the path thing i guess
[11:21] <kuttans> now its fixed
[11:21] <yofel> om26er: seems to install fine here
[11:22] <om26er> yofel, that would 0.1 I think
[11:22] <yofel> oh wait, it now hangs at setting up...
[11:22] <yofel> no, finished
[11:22] <Reckon> Anybody knows how to set up Evolution to use my hotmail account?
[11:23] <om26er> yofel, 0.3.1+really0.0.1+git20090909.d0a14f2b-0ubuntu1
[11:23] <yofel> om26er: oh, yeah
[11:23] <yofel> heh
[11:23] <yofel> bug 518788
[11:24] <om26er> look whos the reporter ;-)
[11:24] <yofel> yeah :P
[11:24] <rww> Reckon: use a POP3 server type with the settings listed at http://lifehacker.com/5169684/hotmail-finally-enables-pop3-worldwide
[11:25] <rww> Reckon: I don't use Hotmail/Windows Live, though, so I won't be able to help if that doesn't work
[11:26] <hmw> Cool, my install broke totally. Need to re-setup from scratch.
[11:28] <Reckon> rww, thanks
[11:29] <hmw> what will be different, if i do NOT "round to cylinders" when creating partitions?
[11:30] <hmw> will it be significant?
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I thinki always 'round to cylinders' over the yers
[11:44] <hmw> i wonder, why i had problems to create partitions with an identical number of cylinders... usually this is easy
[11:45] <om26er> If I convert ext4 to btrfs the used disk increases anyway to make that normal ?
[11:46] <maxagaz> it seems I need to install some nvidia driver on my kubuntu to have desktop effects, but which one, it used to be done automatically on ubuntu ?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. actually it would just pop up a dialog pointing out that propriatry drivers are avail.
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> run the hardware-drivers tool and it should isntall them
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> or run jockey-qt (i think)
[11:49] <maxagaz> ok
[11:49] <yofel> jockey-kde actually
[11:49] <maxagaz> yes, I found it
[11:50] <maxagaz> but I had to use a console
[11:51] <maxagaz> because of the codecs and this at least, kubuntu isn't ready yet for non-geek user
[11:51] <Crashbit> i'm using xorg-edgers repository, and there is no exists nouveau backports for kernel -21. Anyone knows when will be released ?
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> what about the codecs? install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package. and the w32codecs    and i play most everything in kubuntu
[11:52] <yofel> Crashbit: Sarvatt might know about that