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[00:45] <brousch> I've removed the DVD-ROM from my T420's drive bay and have added a 500GB spinning HD. What's the best way to make it usable?
[00:45] <brousch> I added a dir to it, chowned it, and symlinked it to Media in my ~
[00:46] <jjesse-android> mount it ?
[00:46] <brousch> It is mounted in /media/
[00:46] <jjesse-android> when i installed Ubuntu 12.04 in mine it had 2 drives
[00:46] <jjesse-android> so it saw it already
[00:46] <brousch> There will be times I wan to remove it and use the DVD
[00:47] <brousch> symlink seems like the least likely to break
[00:47] <jjesse-android> ah
[00:47] <jjesse-android> i ot an encasing for mine
[00:47] <brousch> But I wanted to see what others were doing
[00:48] <brousch> For your DVD?
[00:49] <jjesse-android> yes
[00:49] <jjesse-android> and use it as a removable media
[00:49] <jjesse-android> sorry that made no sense
[00:49] <jjesse-android> so i have the enclosure w/ a usb cable for my dbd
[00:49] <jjesse-android> and leave the other one in ti
[00:50] <brousch> The drive bay is easy to pull, so I want to swap in the DVD to rip CDs sometimes
[00:50] <jjesse-android> ah
[00:50] <jjesse-android> i went the way i went so i can use it in my macbook air which has no dvd/cd
[00:50] <jjesse-android> and not worry about pulling a hard drive
[00:53] <brousch> I have an external DVD, but it's a honkin big beast. This little bay is easy to carry in my bag
[00:58] <jjesse-android> ah i c
[01:36] <snap-l> Evening
[01:43] <rick_h_> snap-l: howdy
[01:44] <snap-l> Hey, how goes?
[01:44] <rick_h_> not bad, see pm
[13:30] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:35] <rick_h_> party
[15:56] <brousch> No LEGO.


[07:18] <doko> tashiro: vil seems to have tomcat related problems as well
[07:19] <vil> hi tashiro
[07:19] <tashiro> Hi
[07:19] <vil> I have a problem with the new eclipse 3.2.1 installing subclipse from the regular subclipse update site.
[07:20] <vil> I believe that this is because that there is no user writable location in the Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
[07:20] <tashiro> $ gij-4.1 -cp /usr/lib/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.help.appserver_3.1.100.v20060602.jar:/usr/lib/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.tomcat_5.5.17/tomcatwrapper.jar:`echo /usr/lib/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.tomcat_5.5.17/lib/*.jar | tr ' ' ':' ` org.eclipse.tomcat.internal.TomcatAppServer
[07:20] <tashiro> no suitable method `main' in class
[07:21] <tashiro> vil: yes, eclipse-updatehomedir is commented
[07:21] <tashiro> Seems that we need to update the patch
[07:22] <tashiro> We can use the patch from Fedora: http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/eclipse/
[07:23] <tashiro> doko: Does it work for you with this commandline?
[07:24] <doko> tashiro: no
[07:24] <doko> no suitable method `main' in class
[07:25] <tashiro> Yes, that's okay. The important thing is that you don't get a ClassNotFoundException
[07:27] <tashiro> So if you still find a ClassNotFoundException in your error log, then it can only be a problem of /usr/lib/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.tomcat_5.5.17/META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
[07:27] <tashiro> I think.
[07:28] <tashiro> It must look like this : http://rafb.net/paste/results/rOo4Ea48.html
[07:29] <doko> yes, that looks identical to me
[07:30] <cycykewl> anybody here who can help me ?
[07:30] <tashiro> You can also test the Browser Widget with http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/%7Echeckout%7E/org.eclipse.swt.snippets/src/org/eclipse/swt/snippets/Snippet128.java
[07:30] <tashiro> I assume that the problem is the Browser Integration
[07:30] <cycykewl> I'm sorry I'm newby in java and I need help to develop a simple class
[07:31] <tashiro> cycykewl: Please try it in ##java
[07:31] <cycykewl> I try
[07:31] <cycykewl> I nedd to be indentified :(
[07:32] <tashiro> Try : /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
[07:37] <tashiro> doko: Just open a simple java project, add this class and launch it as SWT Application
[07:38] <tashiro> I can also send you a test project if you want?
[07:38] <doko> ok, using sun-java5 works, must be a gcj problem :-/
[07:39] <doko> well, yes, maybe...
[07:41] <tashiro> I started Eclipse with gcj, and yes I got the same problem
[07:42] <doko> tashiro, so you did work all the time without gcj? :-P
[07:42] <tashiro> Okay, what a joy. I even got my beloved dom exception back "gnu.xml.dom.ls.DomLSException: no root element: U+0"
[07:43] <tashiro> Do be honest, yes :-|
[07:43] <doko> knowing this would have saved us a great amount of time ...
[07:44] <tashiro> I have done a lot to help finding bugs and to help fixing them in gcj/classpath, but it isn't still ready to be used :-/
[07:46] <tashiro> Yep, but I always try it first with a properitary vm before I test it with gcj
[07:47] <tashiro> Hmm, overholt is not available. So I can't ask if they had as similar problem.
[07:47] <tashiro> s/as/a/
[07:47] <doko> tashiro: could you address this tomorrow?
[07:48] <doko> what about vil's subclipse problem, could you update this patch from FC?
[07:50] <tashiro> Ja, mach ich, nachdem ich mir nen Pudding gegnnt hab.
[07:52] <vil> This is exactly what I really wanted to ask. You all seem to be from Germany and I wanted to ask if you chat all the time in english. No I know the answer :) I must dust off my german language, to understand you guys.
[07:54] <doko> heh, please don't start speaking russian ;)
[07:54] <vil> well, I am czech. lol
[07:55] <doko> oops, sorry
[07:56] <vil> don't worry, vladimir sounds pretty russian anyway.
[08:02] <vil> tashiro: there is a new jaxen package at alioth so I postpone my activities in this for some time. seems like we have new help.
[08:03] <tashiro> Okay
[08:04] <vil> tashiro: I looked at the Bioclipse source drops page and to me it seems that the last non-packaged, non-optional is Jumbo.
[08:04] <doko> I'm away for an hour or so, diner ...
[08:04] <vil> tashiro: do you know anything about it?
[08:05] <vil> doko: guten Appetit ;)
[08:07] <tashiro> Yes, Bioclipse is not packaged
[08:08] <tashiro> Someone made cdk packages, I think he was in a project of alioth
[08:08] <dou213> hey guys
[08:11] <vil> tashiro: you already had some preliminary package. is it somewhere?
[08:35] <vil> tashiro: you already had some preliminary Bioclipse package. is it somewhere?
[08:44] <tashiro> No, it got lost after I lost the content of my hd by an accident.
[08:44] <tashiro> I another interesting link http://lists.debian.org/debian-med/2006/08/msg00009.html
[08:47] <tashiro> I used the pdebuild cdbs script. You can find an instance of it in eclipse-emf/ of pkg-java
[09:08] <vil> ok, I will look at  it. do you know anything about the Jumbo package? I found it as a part of the CML project. it seems that we could make source package of only the Jumbo without CML. right?
[09:08] <vil> http://cml.cvs.sourceforge.net/cml/
[09:10] <tashiro> No, I don't know anything about jumbo
[09:12] <vil> doko: the "python2.3/2.5" issue is solved in the latest pydev, which depends on eclipse 3.2. there is a new radio-button, so you can choose from 2.3, 2.4, 2.5. I would suggest to make new backport patch rather then separate patch for the current version. do you agree?
[09:12] <vil> tashiro: ok
[09:21] <doko> vil: you're the maintainer :-)
[09:23] <tashiro> updatehomedir patch commited
[09:34] <vil> doko: nice :) last time, I used patches from Igor Foox from Fedora. I will ask him, if he's planing some goodies...


[00:58] <sabotage> kyleN_: after reading through the code for gtk-theme-switch, it seems to only update gtk rc settings and not in a system wide way, but only by users ~/.gtk-2.0/gtkrc file
[00:59] <kyleN_> sabotage: does it do it system wide for the current user?
[00:59] <sabotage> so its assuming a desktop env  with multiple users, not quite what we're trying to address, but could be adapted to our needs
[00:59] <sabotage> yes/no...
[00:59] <kyleN_> sabotage: not sure the multiple users assumption is relevant for a MID though
[01:00] <sabotage> settings in users home dir take precedence over system wide, so it *looks* system wide
[01:00] <sabotage> agreed
[01:00] <sabotage> also, it's missing some key subsystem settings
[01:01] <kyleN_> looking sys wide may be good enough
[01:01] <kyleN_> what's missing?
[01:01] <sabotage> like matchbox, icons, gconf settings and backgrounds
[01:01] <kyleN_> matchbox and backgrounds strike me as critical
[01:01] <sabotage> not if we don't have a "user" (we do now, but not sure if that will stay the case)
[01:02] <sabotage> background is actually quite /interesting/
[01:02] <sabotage> ;)
[01:02] <sabotage> setting the X background does nothing for us
[01:02] <kyleN_> why, on one ever sees that?
[01:02] <sabotage> the background is HomeArea dependant
[01:03] <sabotage> so if the UI is flash based, then we need to get the flash plugin to change its bg image
[01:03] <sabotage> if it's HTML/Xul based, then we need to effect the DOM settings via CSS or some Javascript interface
[01:03] <kyleN_> well, the home plugin flash shows sometimes, then it reverts to the normal marquee + app when an app launches
[01:04] <sabotage> and if we use Clutter, well, I've no idea yet how that gets changed yet ;)
[01:04] <kyleN_> right, those are good points. our specific need is flash home ui, user changes it, then the rest of the UI gets the same fonts/colors/gtk theme
[01:05] <sabotage> but when the app goes away, then the flash ui shows again and I assume you want the bg changes to be persistant, right?
[01:05] <kyleN_> the flash ui is full screen
[01:05] <kyleN_> so there is no bg
[01:05] <sabotage> most of the rest is very doable...just not 100% sure how we'll tackle the background
[01:06] <kyleN_> where's the background if the flash ui is full screen?
[01:06] <StevenK> Behind the flash ui, I'm guessing
[01:06] <sabotage> that's a misnomer...the HTML ui and the Clutter ui are also "fjull screen", but all of them have "background" like properties that users will want to alter
[01:06] <kyleN_> right - invisible, right?
[01:07] <sabotage> no, embedded in the flash SWF
[01:07] <kyleN_> ah, our short term need does not involve the user changing it
[01:07] <kyleN_> say, two flash movies, with two equivalent themes. not user configurables
[01:07] <sabotage> does your idea of changing the theme involve sending a message to the flash ui to change its colors. etc...?
[01:07] <kyleN_> actually, there are multiple flash movies, i believe
[01:08] <kyleN_> the user can switch between them
[01:08] <kyleN_> they have a different look and feel
[01:08] <kyleN_> when the user switches, we want all the rest to switch too
[01:08] <sabotage> ok for now I suppose, but most users will expect to be able to set an image in their photo viewer/library to the screen background
[01:08] <kyleN_> that is, they switch, then launch an app, flash goes away
[01:08] <sabotage> right?
[01:08] <kyleN_> marquee and app are themes to match the flash move
[01:09] <kyleN_> yes, that will be nice but it is not a deliverable for the custom team right now
[01:09] <kyleN_> the other is
[01:09] <sabotage> ah, you're switching the HomeArea applet then...that's a bit different, not really "theme" related
[01:09] <kyleN_> we switch, then the REST switches accordingly
[01:09] <kyleN_> automatically
[01:09] <kyleN_> where the REST is colors fonts and gtk theme
[01:09] <sabotage> ok
[01:10] <kyleN_> you think that is likely to be doable without too much mountain climbing?
[01:10] <sabotage> so then the "REST" you are refering to should be doable
[01:10] <kyleN_> excellent!
[01:10] <sabotage> the current tool is a bit insufficient but adaptable.
[01:10] <kyleN_> i figure when the flash switches, it uses out javasscript api to make the appropriate calls, whatever they turn out to be
[01:11] <sabotage> I've a running list of thing it needs to be adapted to do
[01:11] <kyleN_> this will be a big help
[01:11] <sabotage> I'm not promising to *DO
[01:12] <sabotage> * the changes ;)
[01:12] <sabotage> though I'll probably take a stab at it as it relates to the rest of the theme work I am doing
[01:12] <kyleN_> right. whatever you can do, even if it is just invistigate and report, that will be a help
[01:12] <sabotage> it's just not on our POR to provide a theme switcher
[01:12] <sabotage> yep
[01:13] <kyleN_> cool. I'd like to stay in touch on this
[01:13] <kyleN_> but for now, our week in Hillsboro is just about OVER!
[01:13] <sabotage> I'll send my notes to the mail list once I get back on the Intel network
[01:13] <kyleN_> back to soggy massachusetts
[01:13] <kyleN_> cool
[01:13] <sabotage> soggy or snowy?
[01:13] <kyleN_> soggy, i hear.
[01:14] <kyleN_> was snowy though. we had three snowfalls of 10-12 inches each earlier
[03:13] <feng_> ;d
[03:13] <feng_> ;dls
[03:17] <feng_> sorry for the mis-input, just tried  a new BT keyboard
[23:09] <Termy2007> hi.. i want to ged rid of windows mobile 2003 se on my t-mobile pda... will ubuntu mobile be available for this device?
[23:10] <Termy2007> can anyone help me?
[23:23] <ComradeHaz> Evening gent's. Pretty sure I know the answer, and pretty sure it's no - but has ubuntu mobile made it onto any HTC Kaisers yet?


[06:49] <mup> PR snapd#13007 closed: daemon: fix crash when a non-model assertion is sent /v2/model <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13007>
[06:49] <mup> PR snapd#13008 closed: assertstate: fix nil access in checkConflictsAndPresence <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13008>
[08:05] <mup> PR snapd#12963 closed: prompting: add epoll package <Created by olivercalder> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12963>
[08:20] <mup> PR snapd#13018 opened: interfaces/u2f-devices: add Swissbit iShield Key <Created by swissbit-csteuer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13018>
[12:26] <mup> PR snapd#12970 closed: o/snapstate: use refresh hints to continue auto-refresh after monitoring <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12970>
[13:11] <mup> PR snapd#12958 closed: o/snapstate: send refresh hold data in store requests <Needs Samuele review> <Created by ZeyadYasser> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12958>
[13:31] <mup> PR snapd#13019 opened: Use laid out types only for writing content <Run nested> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13019>
[14:37] <mup> PR snapd#13020 opened: interfaces/steam-support: allow rw, rbind to /etc/localtime <Created by kenvandine> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13020>
[15:22] <mup> PR snapd#13006 closed: interfaces: fix missing error return in kvm <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13006>
[18:38] <mup> PR snapd#13021 opened: i/b/network-control: allow configuring some specific network component device via sysfs <Created by bugraaydogar> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13021>
[21:45] <mup> PR snapcraft#4291 opened: build(deps): bump certifi from 2022.12.7 to 2023.7.22 in /docs/.sphinx <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4291>
[23:04] <mup> PR snapd#13022 opened: packaging: update squashfuse to 0.2.0 <Created by pachulo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13022>
[23:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#4292 opened: build(deps): bump certifi from 2023.5.7 to 2023.7.22 <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4292>


[06:59] <mborzecki> morning
[07:04] <mup> PR snapd#11195 closed: tests: fix remodel-kernel test when running on external devices <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11195>
[08:02] <pstolowski> morning, happy new year!
[08:05] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey, welcome back
[09:04] <mborzecki> pstolowski: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11196 ?
[09:04] <mup> PR #11196: tests/core/failover: replace boot-state with snap debug boot-vars <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11196>
[09:15] <mup> PR snapd#11196 closed: tests/core/failover: replace boot-state with snap debug boot-vars <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11196>
[09:45] <mup> PR snapd#11198 opened: github: add spellcheck workflow <⛔ Blocked> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11198>
[09:51] <zyga-fyke> happy new year :)
[11:35] <mup> PR snapd#11199 opened: tests: fix uses of fakestore new-snap-declaration <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11199>
[14:31] <mup> PR snapd#11200 opened: usersession/userd: query xdg-mime to check for fallback handlers of a given scheme <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11200>
[15:01] <mup> PR snapd#11201 opened: cmd: support installing multiple local snaps <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11201>
[15:33] <ijohnson[m]> bboozzoo: have you seen a failure of tests/nested/manual/core20-to-core22 like this:
[15:33] <ijohnson[m]> ++ tests.nested exec sudo snap remodel --no-wait valid-for-testing-pc-22-from-20.model
[15:33] <ijohnson[m]> Warning: Permanently added '[localhost]:8022' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
[15:33] <ijohnson[m]> error: cannot remodel: cannot remodel device: cannot remodel without a serial
[15:33] <ijohnson[m]> + REMOTE_CHG_ID=
[15:40] <ijohnson[m]> bboozzoo: well I filed a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1956361
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1956361: Test tests/nested/manual/core20-to-core22 is flaky <flaky-tests> <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1956361>
[15:51] <mup> PR snapd#11163 closed: tests/lib/tools/tests.invariant: add invariant for detecting broken snaps <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11163>


[00:03] <rick_h_> hah http://www.flyingrhinocc.com/cycling-news/2012/7/8/chevy-commercial-filmed-at-waterford-hills.html
[00:04] <derekv> do as I say, not as I do... don't try to do 20 burpies with no warmup after drinking like three glasses of water
[00:22] <greg-g> burpies?
[00:24] <snap-l> Phew. Sent off the Squeezebox article
[00:25] <rick_h_> woot
[00:25] <snap-l> Hopefully they'll like it.
[00:25] <snap-l> (and hopefully it'll pass editing muster, and not make some editor out there explode)
[00:26] <snap-l> It's hard to do layout in plain text
[00:26] <snap-l> ie: I sent a bunch of hi-res images along with the article
[00:41] <greg-g> snap-l: who's it for?
[00:45] <greg-g> I guess I should take photos of both hotels I'm at in DC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Rouge
[00:45] <greg-g> erm, wrong channel
[01:10] <snap-l> greg-g: Linux Journal
[01:11] <snap-l> greg-g: Those statues in the Wikipedia article are creeeeepy
[01:12] <derekv> burpies to crossfiters, aka downups and a million other names to anyone who did highschool sports, and pretty much unknown to everyone else.
[01:14] <derekv> burpees I guess
[01:14] <snap-l> I have NFC what you're talaking about.
[01:14] <snap-l> (I was in band)
[01:15] <derekv> me too
[01:15] <derekv> ive only known about them for a couple years
[01:16] <derekv> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MGljX4bbps
[01:17] <derekv> I may have overdone it tho
[01:32] <derekv> so is ruby bullshit or is it just bullshit on freebsd
[01:47] <jrwren> derekv: rofl.
[01:47] <jrwren> 20 burbies after 3 glasses of water is NUTS.
[01:48] <derekv> it was sloshing around
[01:48] <derekv> =p
[01:48] <jrwren> i'll bet.
[01:48] <jrwren> did you puke?
[01:48] <derekv> nah
[01:48] <jrwren> try 5 glasses next time, see what happens.
[01:49] <derekv> 3 pitchers of beer
[01:49] <derekv> das boot das burpees
[01:51] <derekv> http://beersandburpees.wordpress.com/ lol
[01:52] <derekv> jrwren: well anyways its not like I planed it out.
[01:58] <derekv> i'd still like to use octopress due to the fact I think it comes styled out of the box and its ready to go for github pages, also looks like it has more users, but blogofiles worked faster ...
[01:58] <derekv> still can't get ruby 1.9 to work correctly
[01:59] <derekv> all of the static html generating "blog aware" frameworks seem to work with a very similar pattern ... but not identical
[02:13] <derekv> ah nice finally got it rolling
[02:42] <derekv> they see me rolling, they t-t-trolling,
[03:19] <jrwren> tryin' ot catch you coding dirty.
[03:33] <snap-l> http://www.earache.com/free/
[03:33] <snap-l> http://askearache.blogspot.com/2012/05/shocking-rise-of-digital-music-database.html
[03:34] <snap-l> Extremely interesting take on Digital Music business
[04:34] <derekv> http://derekv.github.com/ lame
[04:34] <derekv> oh well
[04:35] <derekv> i'm not really groking octopress
[04:36] <Blazeix> derekv: your resource paths have an extra 'derekv' in them
[04:37] <Blazeix> should be "http://derekv.github.com/javascripts/ender.js" for example
[04:37] <derekv> Blazeix: yea I think I set it up wrong
[04:37] <Blazeix> not "http://derekv.github.com/derekv/javascripts/ender.js
[04:37] <Blazeix> "
[04:37] <derekv> that makes sense...
[04:45] <derekv> there we go
[04:46] <derekv> I know what happened.
[04:52] <derekv> All I really want, is a repo with markup pages, then something seperate that throws style on them and gives you a "blog" view showing the most recent posts
[05:05] <derekv> Oh, you should always waste time when you don't have any. Time is not the boss of you.  How has it been over there?
[11:53] <brousch> It was nice yesterday
[11:53] <brousch> Some of us got a little cold at the beach
[11:54] <shakes808> lol I hear it. I was out at a beach and did some Kayaking. It was nice, but cool at times.
[11:54] <rick_h_> shush!
[11:54] <rick_h_> until it's < 80 it's still too hot, but thank goodness we're < 90
[11:55] <shakes808> HA HA
[11:55] <shakes808> I like it in the high 70s - to mid 80s. Breaking 90+ is just too hot.
[11:56] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/xOEFl
[11:58] <brousch> The cold was from the wind churning up cold water from the depths
[12:01] <brousch> rick_h_: That makes my head hurt
[12:52] <rick_h_> brousch: how so?
[12:52] <rick_h_> nice cassandra plug in there
[13:03] <brousch> The lengths they go to for scale and reliability are beyond my ken
[13:04] <brousch> I shouldn't say that. They are beyond my knowledge and my current desire to learn
[14:24]  * snap-l is listening to Miles Davis' Tutu.
[14:31]  * shakes808 likes what snap-l is listening too.
[14:32] <shakes808> Listening to my Frank Sinatra station on Pandora. It is just that kind of day it would seem ;)
[14:34] <snap-l> Yeah, but later it's Pantera covers. :)
[14:35] <shakes808> :D Nice.
[14:36] <shakes808> Can't believe that it has been 8 years since he was killed. It doesn't even seem that long.
[14:37] <shakes808> What a trajedy
[14:44] <snap-l> Yeah, definitely one of metal's worst moments
[14:44] <snap-l> one crazy fan ruins it for everyone else.
[14:46] <shakes808> and weren't they talking about getting together for one more album or reunion tour
[14:46] <shakes808> I almost had tickets to the show up here and was invited to the OH show but had to work and couldn't get it off.
[14:46] <snap-l> I don't think it would have happened.
[14:47] <shakes808> Why not? Grudges to deep with Phil?
[14:48] <snap-l> I've read interviews with Phil. Maybe it would have worked it at some point
[14:48] <snap-l> but frankly it seems highly unlikely.
[14:48] <shakes808> gotcha
[14:49] <snap-l> Then again, I never thought Black Sabbath would get back together with Ozzy (and kick out Geezer Butler) so I know nothing.
[14:49] <shakes808> HA HA
[14:49] <snap-l> Not Geezer, sorry
[14:49] <shakes808> come on metalcast, aren't you supposed to have the insight on all things metal? ;) lol
[14:49] <snap-l> Bill Ward.
[14:50] <snap-l> I spend my time not giving a crap about Ozzy. ;)
[14:50] <shakes808> ha ha
[14:50] <shakes808> too main stream for you?
[14:50] <jrwren> but Black Sabbath is good.
[14:50] <jrwren> at least the 1969 album is :p
[14:51] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Black_Sabbath_band_members
[14:51] <snap-l> shakes808: I find Sharon Osborne both a help and a hinderance for Ozzy.
[14:52] <snap-l> Any time the Ozzy camp does something bitchy, I imagine her behind it.
[14:52] <shakes808> snap-l: why is that?
[14:52] <snap-l> see: Iron Maiden on Ozzfest
[14:52] <snap-l> That said, Ozzy wouldn't be here if it weren't for her.
[14:56] <shakes808> didn't she help him get clean and stay clean?
[14:57] <jrwren> what do you all use for backups?
[14:57] <jrwren> anyone just using tar?
[14:58] <snap-l> jrwren: No, because Tar is bad for big backups
[14:58] <snap-l> shakes808: Yes
[14:59] <snap-l> jrwren: I use rdiff-backup
[14:59] <jrwren> tar is bad why? because you have to seek teh whole file?
[14:59] <jrwren> rdiff backup to what? usb disk and then take the usb disk offsite?
[14:59] <snap-l> because if you compress it, you have a bad file
[14:59] <shakes808> jrwren: because it is thick and sticky. It helped to kill the dinosaurs ;) lol
[15:00] <snap-l> I rdiff-backup to a 2TB drive on my desk
[15:00] <snap-l> I don't have offsite backup
[15:00] <jrwren> what do you mean if you compress it you have a bad file
[15:00] <snap-l> try this:
[15:00] <snap-l> tar czvf filename.tar.gz something
[15:00] <snap-l> then bring out a hex editor and change one byte
[15:00] <snap-l> your file is screwed.
[15:01] <jrwren> hrm, ok, that is true.
[15:01] <snap-l> uncompressed tar is a little more forgiving, but you'll lose the corrupted file
[15:01] <jrwren> i could use a checksumming tool to suppliement. usenet style. par2 my tar.gz and be happy
[15:01] <jrwren> that is true of your rsync target too though.
[15:02] <snap-l> You could use something like rar
[15:02] <jrwren> if a file is corrupt, a file is corrupt
[15:02] <snap-l> jrwren: Right, but that's what multi-level backups are for
[15:02] <jrwren> right.
[15:02] <jrwren> that is what I'm doing with tar.
[15:02] <snap-l> at some point the pristine file should be there.
[15:02] <jrwren> tar -g
[15:03] <jrwren> and --level=1 and 2
[15:03] <snap-l> jrwren: It's your data. Frankly I wouldn't use tar for backups
[15:03] <snap-l> It's pretty dumb
[15:03] <jrwren> ok
[15:04] <brousch> jrwren: I just copy to USB
[15:04] <snap-l> and brousch also doesn't like data. ;)
[15:04] <brousch> Rotate 14 drives for offsite, gives me 2 weeks backups
[15:04] <derekv> soundcloud didn't work out.
[15:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, just using rsync for backups here
[15:04] <rick_h_> rsync, dropbox, and git repos
[15:05] <jrwren> one of the reasons i want it in a single file is it is easier to encrypt and easier to upload to s3 or whereever
[15:05] <rick_h_> well and web services. All my pics on picasa now and all my music up to google music now
[15:05] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, I've thoguht about it, but the cpu/memory overhead of creating a single tar ugh
[15:05] <brousch> jrwren: Home or work?
[15:05] <rick_h_> and then restoring so many unchanged bits on s3 double ugh
[15:06] <snap-l> Does S3 handle encrypted FS?
[15:06] <jrwren> cpu memory overhead for a tar is trivial, for compressing it is painful. dedicate a cPU to it ;)
[15:06] <rick_h_> sorry, two thoughts there...storing so many unchanged bits ugh, storing ugh
[15:06] <jrwren> home.
[15:06] <brousch> Ah, OK, that is different
[15:06] <rick_h_> restoring damn I can't type today
[15:06] <brousch> I just use Crashplan, but that requires evil
[15:06] <jrwren> what do you mean restoring unchanged bits on s3?
[15:06] <jrwren> i'd use incrementals of course.
[15:07] <rick_h_> if you re-tar your /home to s3 you'll have a daily file of 400mb, 401mb, etc
[15:07] <rick_h_> well, good luck to you :) but no...not using tar for backups
[15:07] <snap-l> That's where the levels would come i
[15:07] <snap-l> in
[15:07] <snap-l> but I have NFC how tar stores those, or how it might overlay those changes.
[15:08] <rick_h_> the more complicated the backup gets, the more likely it won't work, you don't keep up with it, or it costs too much.
[15:08] <jrwren> what do you mean 4001, 4001 ?
[15:08] <snap-l> truth
[15:08] <rick_h_> jrwren: just meant that simplest means no incremental
[15:08] <jrwren> oh no, i use -g and --level
[15:08] <rick_h_> but if you'll incremental it up so that you're not storing a 400mb file each day then cool I guess
[15:09] <snap-l> note the "i guess"
[15:09] <jrwren> the level 1 and level 2 is in its own file, its not an append or overlay
[15:09] <snap-l> That's code for "I think you're crazy"
[15:09] <jrwren> so you have backup0.tar, backup1.tar
[15:10] <jrwren> its why i'm asking.
[15:10] <jrwren> another reason i like it is that it is easy to use xz compression. i got my system down from 9GB to 1.7GB, which saves $$$
[15:10] <rick_h_> for me, I just have my large files (pita to backup) in cloud services, my important stuff (code) in git, and the rest I rsync to the NAS and if it goes away...that sucks
[15:10] <snap-l> If you're going to compress, I'd recommend using bzip2
[15:11] <snap-l> gzip has no error-correction
[15:11] <snap-l> bzip2 does
[15:11] <snap-l> Not fool-proof, but you won't be stuck with a fully corrupted file
[15:12] <snap-l> just use rar and usenet and be done with it. ;)
[15:13] <snap-l> "No honey, this usenet subscription is REALLY important. It's my backup plan. alt.binaries.backup"
[15:14] <brousch> jrwren: Is there something wrong with Time Machine?
[15:14] <snap-l> brousch: Other than being fully Apple, um, yes.
[15:14]  * rick_h_ runs away from the troll bait
[15:17] <brousch> What? He uses apple, it comes with Time Machine for backups
[15:17] <jrwren> snap-l: i'm using xz. bzip2 is sooo 15 yrs ago :)
[15:17] <brousch> I've used it in the past, it seems reasonable
[15:17] <jrwren> brousch: my work mac has an at work time machine to external drive. I'm looking at options for backing up my home server
[15:18] <jrwren> huge thanks to snap-l for pointing out the lack of integrity. I think I can run parchive on the tar and store those with the backups.
[15:19] <brousch> Ah, home server
[15:20] <derekv> I need to work on simplicity .
[15:21] <greg-g> g'morn
[15:21] <rick_h_> derekv: ++
[15:22] <rick_h_> I was just having a discussion around simplicity with a co-worker
[15:23] <snap-l> jrwren: np, I'be been bit by that in the past.
[15:23] <derekv> Simplicity is my goal but I can overengineer in attempt to achive it.
[15:26] <derekv> Many programmers don't engineer at all it feels like... and thats really painful.
[15:27] <derekv> So I engineer somewhat from the beginning, but then as my understanding increases it sometimes turns out I didn't need to.
[15:30] <derekv> Then the coders who think that everything should be in the view controller see my code and don't like it.
[15:33] <derekv> so it comes down to. like, OK while I didn't need to do what I did in retrospect, but its better to have some architecture then a big mess
[15:35] <derekv> But ideally, there's some right amount of architecture/engineering that makes for simplicity, not adding complexity to the app beyond what tis nessisiary for readability, testability and correctness
[15:46] <jrwren> simplicity is difficult
[15:52] <derekv> simple != easy
[15:53] <derekv> when I engineer well, making changes to the program is like butter.
[15:54] <snap-l> yeah and knowing when you've churned enough to make butter is awesome
[15:54] <derekv> but yea not everything I plan out ends up making things easier... and while its not really making it harder, its more for the next guy to get his head around
[15:56] <snap-l> CODE AS IF THE NEXT GUY TO MAINTAIN YOUR CODE IS A HOMICIDAL MANIAC WHO KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE.
[15:57] <snap-l> http://www.sundoginteractive.com/sunblog/posts/code-as-if-the-next-guy-to-maintain-your-code-is-a-homicidal-maniac-who-kno/
[15:57] <derekv> thats the goal... I'm talking about getting it right
[15:58] <derekv> I'm trying to figure out if it'd be a big mistake to error more on the underengineered side
[15:59] <derekv> If I'm even able to do that.
[16:01] <derekv> I have FUD
[16:03] <rick_h_> derekv: so step 1: deal with the issue at hand.
[16:03] <rick_h_> if they're putting crap into their view controller ask them to test it
[16:03] <rick_h_> and let's see how long before it's refactored out of the view controller into it's own lib/model/etc :P
[16:03] <rick_h_> if they still don't get it, they don't understand code/testability and it's time to find their replacement :)
[16:35] <derekv> i'm in a sprint planning ... should I let "implement using code coverage tool" drop off the sprint without brining it up again?
[16:35] <derekv> i sortof conceeded that, now I'm thinking its a bad idea
[16:38] <snap-l> Need more data
[16:38] <rick_h_> bah, code coverage is easy to add and just having information doesn't change anything
[16:38] <rick_h_> so why not add it in? what's the argument against?
[16:38] <derekv> dunno, scrum guy wanted to drop it out of the sprint
[16:39] <snap-l> Does he / she know what code coverage gets you?
[16:40] <derekv> I don't think so.
[16:40] <derekv> actually the problem is larger I think... bbiab
[16:40] <snap-l> Might be a convo to have
[16:50] <derekv> you know... there's sortof a simplicicty issue with defining stories and subtasks
[16:56] <snap-l> Sounds like you're in a project management hell
[16:57] <snap-l> Those meetings are always fun. "What are the subtasks? OK, step one: I arrive at work and sit in my chair"
[16:58] <snap-l> "TOo granular"
[16:58] <snap-l> "OK, I sit at my desk,a nd code falls out"
[16:58] <snap-l> "Too broad"
[16:58] <snap-l> "Minute 1: I pray for death"
[16:58] <snap-l> "Minute 2: I pray for death"
[16:59] <snap-l> "Minute 3: I pray for death"
[16:59] <jrwren> they are painful, but in a healthy dev org they are very valueable
[16:59] <snap-l> Minute 4: I scratch my self.
[16:59] <snap-l> "Minute 5: I pray for death"
[17:00] <snap-l> jrwren: Those moments are few and far between
[17:03] <rick_h_> yea, user stories, or personas are helpful
[17:03] <rick_h_> really aid in the framing of the discussion when debating features/tasks
[17:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: Usually the user story we got on a project was "I'm way too busy for these meetings"
[17:05] <snap-l> and then they bitched when they didn't get what they wanted.
[17:05] <rick_h_> hah
[17:05] <snap-l> only a few of them really did get the purpose of the meetings.
[17:06] <snap-l> unfortuately they still didn't get what they wanted.
[17:06] <snap-l> but that was a function of the process.
[18:20] <rick_h_> someone help me, I'm going to try to package up JS into a python egg...
[18:22] <snap-l> Is that legal?
[18:23] <rick_h_> I'm not sure...
[18:23] <jrwren> which js?
[18:23] <jrwren> oh, your client js. sure, that is fine.
[18:24] <rick_h_> no, YUI library
[18:24] <rick_h_> into a python package so I can pull it down via python dep tools
[18:24] <rick_h_> :/
[18:26] <rick_h_> O..M..G http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/9965/why-is-there-still-case-sensitivity-in-some-programming-languages
[18:26] <snap-l> because we're not programming on fucking 3270s any more?
[18:27] <snap-l> or Atari 400s
[18:27] <rick_h_> case in-sensitivity is something that I can never ever get behind
[18:27] <snap-l> I can get behind it. With a baseball bat and bad intentions.
[18:28] <snap-l> Seriously, I wonder if people think before they post.
[18:29] <snap-l> Also, Gama Bomb has a free album on earache's website
[18:29] <snap-l> I am enjoying thoroughly.
[18:29] <jrwren> its not that bad.
[18:29] <jrwren> its barely noticable.
[18:29] <snap-l> http://earache.com/free/
[18:30] <jrwren> if you are actually using the sensitivity you are probably doing it wrong.
[18:30] <jrwren> naming 2 funcitons idostuff() and IDoStuff() is bad, mmmkay.
[18:30] <snap-l> jrwren: I have some COBOL that has your name on it.
[18:30] <jrwren> hahaha.
[18:31]  * devinheitmueller just spent the last five minutes looking up the entomology of the word "camel case"...
[18:31] <rick_h_> find anything interesting?
[18:32] <_stink_> findMyProposalToUseItInAllTypedCommunications?
[18:32] <devinheitmueller> It's because the notion of uppercase characters mixed in with lowercase resembles humps on a camel.
[18:32] <devinheitmueller> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_case#History_of_the_name_.22camel_case.22
[18:33] <snap-l> camelCaseIsForPeopleWithNoImagination
[18:34] <snap-l> What is it? itsAVariableThatIsEssentiallyAGodDamnSentence
[18:34] <_stink_> thinkOfAllTheBytesYouAreSaving.
[18:35] <rick_h_> that's what the build step is for
[18:35] <snap-l> Oh, that's another  fun one
[18:35] <rick_h_> jsmin **/*.js :P
[18:35] <snap-l> "Should I use tabs to speed up comilation instead of spaces?"
 It's the circle-jerk of productivity wasting known as programmers.se.com
[18:37] <devinheitmueller> For some reason my coworkers frown on my using the term "circle jerk" to describe certain things.
[18:38] <rick_h_> that's never stopped snap-l before
[18:38] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_: it doesn't really stop me either.  They just frown when I do it.
[18:39] <devinheitmueller> I have a "Corporate DNA" ethics directive that says to use "straight talk"
[18:39] <devinheitmueller> I'm actually not kidding.  It's frightening.
[18:39] <rick_h_> well, in today's environment I think it's considered rude to exclude certain groups of people that might find an activity more challenging :P
[18:40] <snap-l> straight talk? That is straight talk, yo
[18:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: You do not want to know why that statement is wrong. ;)
[18:41] <rick_h_> snap-l: nope...I do not
[18:41] <snap-l> In [1]: 776 * .10
[18:42] <snap-l> I <3 floating point conversion.
[18:42] <rick_h_> https://github.com/blog/1187-github-android-app-released
[18:49] <rick_h_> jrwren: so not sure if they'll fix it upstream: https://github.com/facebook/tornado/issues/559#issuecomment-6797492
[18:50] <rick_h_> jrwren: but I'm getting convinced to port this app over from tornado and will keep this bug in mind during porting/rewriting
[18:57] <rick_h_> does the CSS fail to load for anyone else here? https://juju.ubuntu.com
[18:57] <rick_h_> as in it looks fugly and broken?
[18:59] <brousch> Yes
[18:59] <rick_h_> ok thanks for the sanity check
[18:59] <brousch> And "This page has insecure content"
[18:59] <rick_h_> yea
[19:12] <brousch> snap-l: I downloaded those free Earache albums too
[19:13] <brousch> snap-l: Morbid Angel was on Earache, so I have a softspot for them
[19:13] <snap-l> brousch: Let me know how the other two are
[19:13] <snap-l> I only downloaded gama bomb
[19:42] <jrwren> rick_h_: yes, no css here
[19:47] <brousch> Interesting https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/598228-4-fine-linux-arm-distros-
[19:55] <brousch> rick_h_: What good is a github app that doesn't let you clone/pull?
[19:56] <Scott_firebeta> anyone know if Dell has released their Ubuntu ultrabook yet?  www.dell.com/ubuntu just lists a crap laptop
[19:57] <brousch> Scott_firebeta: I posted a link where you could sign up for their beta last week
[20:08] <nullspace> just get a thinkpad
[20:08] <jrwren> i'd like to try a samsung series 9 with ubuntu.
[20:09] <nullspace> jrwren: I thought you had gone to the apple side?
[20:09] <jrwren> i have, but that doesn't mean that I'd switch if there were something better.
[20:10] <brousch> Apple has pattented better. No one else can make something better without getting sued.
[20:12] <Scott_firebeta> I'm trying to decide between an asus zenbook and a macbook air, and airplay might be the deciding feature
[20:14] <jrwren> macbook air is excellent.
[20:14] <Scott_firebeta> if I don't like OS X I can always install a linux distro (prices are similar)
[20:14] <jrwren> i have loved both of my macbook air
[20:14] <jrwren> i thought linux does not run well on a macbook air
[20:15] <Scott_firebeta> only feature that I can find on the zenbook that the macbook air doesn't have is a 1080p screen
[20:15] <jrwren> you know Lion doesn't have any airplay features, you have to wait for mountain lion, right.
[20:15] <jrwren> zenbook has a 1080p display? that is excellent.
[20:15] <Scott_firebeta> free upgrade to mountain lion if you by a macbook air now
[20:15] <jrwren> i highly recommend the macbook air :)
[20:16] <jrwren> wow, $1099 for 1080p 13" zenbook... I'd definitely like to try ubuntu on that as my primary for a while
[20:17] <Scott_firebeta> macbook air (mid 2011) is pretty compatible with 12.04:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2 , no article on the mid 2012 model yet
[20:17] <brousch> Scott_firebeta: I have not been able to get Linux working 100% on Apple (MBP). In particular I have trouble with external monitors, and the touchpad doesn't work as well
[20:18] <brousch> Doesn't work as well as in OSX, I should clarify
[20:18] <jrwren> mid2012 model is pretty much the same as 2011, just ivybridge instead of sandy
[20:58] <snap-l> I <3 this album: http://www.last.fm/music/Suicidal+Tendencies/The+Art+Of+Rebellion
[21:00] <snap-l> (yes, I know, it's a day ending in Y)
[22:39] <brousch> Hm https://sites.google.com/site/thisisrebelcountry/chapter-2-the-gub/the-interurban-era
[22:39] <gamerchick02> brousch, that looks interesting.
[22:39] <brousch> bah, that's not what i meant to post
[22:40] <brousch> http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/07/09/212217/general-motors-to-slash-outsourcing-in-it-overhaul?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
[22:40] <gamerchick02> well, it was a happy mistake because it looks interesting.
[22:40] <gamerchick02> wow. that's great news
[22:43] <gamerchick02> i wish Chrysler would do the same.
[22:47] <brousch> Heh, I forgot which company you geekers work for
[22:50] <gamerchick02> Chrysler here. well, RGBSI, but i'm AT Chrysler.
[22:58] <jrwren> wow, that is risky and excellent by GM.
[22:58] <jrwren> it could be really great for them, it could be a disaster
[23:01] <gamerchick02> i hope it's really great for them and improves their IT support.
[23:01] <gamerchick02> maybe the other major automakers will follow by example
[23:17] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ did you have any progress on that ivy bridge freeze bug?
[23:17] <gamerchick02> my computer is running smooth as butter today
[23:34] <rick_h_> awesome http://theoatmeal.com/blog/charity_money
[23:34] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: no, I was away all weekend away from the interwebs and catching up still
[23:35] <gamerchick02> rick_h_, i saw the oatmeal thing; that's so awesome
[23:35] <gamerchick02> and thanks for replying.


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[09:57] <CIA-37> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1493 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move to 3.0.0-5 kernels.
[10:10] <CIA-37> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1494 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu46
[10:56] <CIA-37> tasksel: cjwatson * r1470 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Remove netbook tasks, per Loïc Minier.
[10:57] <CIA-37> tasksel: cjwatson * r1471 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.88ubuntu6


[00:09] <HowardtheDuck> yeah
[04:56] <shane2peru> ok I can't get the terminology correct, I want to make a dvd with like 4 or 5 videos on it, I know it can be done, and the quality will be less, how do I do it?
[04:57] <holstein> hey shane2peru
[04:57]  * holstein is an audio guy:/
[04:57] <holstein> and i havnet even made a video DVD yet
[04:57]  * shane2peru is just a general computer geek. :)
[04:58] <holstein> i use to 're-code' DVD's on XP
[04:58] <holstein> years ago
[04:58] <shane2peru> I have made videos, dvds with menus etc, but I'm not sure about what I need to do for this feat
[04:58] <holstein> i used nero to re-code them, and put them on the disc in lower quality
[04:59] <holstein> NOT that you should go and buy nero for linux
[04:59] <holstein> hmmm
[04:59] <shane2peru> I looked up divx, do I need to make videos as a divx type?   I'm trying ffmpeg with the target ntsc-svcd
[04:59] <shane2peru> that is why I use linux, I try a bit of everything and don't buy anything
[05:00] <holstein> have you looked at any of these?
[05:00] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=529759
[05:00] <holstein> shane2peru: AFAIK you dont need to use DIVX
[05:00] <holstein> thats a nice codec though
[05:01] <shane2peru> hmm, I guess I was thinking more of command line stuff
[05:02] <shane2peru> I have used devede and really like it but it had a bug and didn't work right, I'm not sure if it works now with Lucid, I should give that a try I guess.
[05:02] <holstein> i think some of those are just GUI front-ends
[05:02] <shane2peru> yes, most of them are, but still worth looking
[05:02] <shane2peru> I have used mandvd too, I really don't like it much
[05:02] <shane2peru> I really like dvdstyler too, but I don't think it did small or svcd type dvds
[05:03] <holstein> hmmm
[05:03] <holstein> i remember video editing being discussed in #ubuntu-uk
[05:03] <shane2peru> I think I need to just make avi files and burn them directly to a dvd as data and try that, although I know you can make a menu for them too, but I don't know how.
[05:03] <holstein> those guys are usually pretty cool anyways
[05:04] <shane2peru> well, that is ok holstein perhaps another day, it is late here I just figured I would check to see if someone knew the proper terminology for me to look up
[05:05] <holstein> shane2peru: good luck
[05:05] <shane2peru> thanks appreciate the thoughts
[05:05] <holstein> feel free to come back and camp-out as long as you like
[05:06] <holstein> im sure somebody knows
[05:07] <shane2peru> right, I'm sure there are busier times, probably late for most, I guess depends on where they are.
[05:08] <shane2peru> catch ya later.
[09:43] <cjdevlin> hello
[11:39] <damo22> anyone had success with realtime kernel inside a virtual machine?
[11:40] <damo22> or is that futile?
[12:42] <SteelSide> Hi, is there any program that can show how hard a key was pressed on a midi connected keyboard? I saw that rosegarden shows it as a tiny display next to the track, and zynAddsubfx (something like that.. ;p) shows a peak of the strength but I was wondering if I could use anything else..?
[12:52] <Blank__> SteelSide, the velocity in numbers?
[12:54] <Blank__> don't know of anything but that'd be handy anyway...
[12:54] <SteelSide> Blank__, I suppose so, don't know the correct term
[12:55] <SteelSide> anyways it's for my dad
[12:55] <SteelSide> he has trouble connecting to how hard he's pressing by ear
[12:55] <SteelSide> so he wanted a graphical representation of how hard he presses the keys
[12:55] <Blank__> there's probably something out there, but i don't know of anything :(
[12:57] <ubuntu> is there any way to rotate a vieo i dont see the otion in kino
[12:57] <ubuntu> just like you would rotate a photo 90 deg.
[13:18] <SteelSide> hmm think I'm going to write an app to show it
[13:19] <SteelSide> if pygame likes midi and me that is :)
[20:36] <theluddite> Anyone have any suggestions for linux samplers?  Other than qsampler?  (which I can't get working)
[21:10] <theluddite> Does anyone know if Rosegarden can be used as a sampler?


[03:07] <mlester> hello what's the param for safe graphics
[03:08] <mlester> the installer is driving me crazy
[09:19] <CIA-33> hw-detect: cjwatson * r122 ubuntu/disk-detect.sh: continue after iscsi_login, otherwise it always looks as if we failed
[12:15] <shtylman> davmor2: the installer is fixed window and should work on small screens
[12:15] <shtylman> if the screen is too small .. ie. < 750x550 then there might be issues
[12:16] <davmor2> shtylman: no norm is 1024x600 or something similar
[12:17] <shtylman> k, then it should be ok
[15:06] <CIA-33> usb-creator: evand * r132 usb-creator/ (3 files in 2 dirs): New KDE icon. Thanks Jonathan Riddell and Ken Wimer!
[21:56] <superm1> evand, mind if i upload ubiquity?  i'd like to be able to do a test run out through with an oem install on sunday or monday's dailies to make sure can make it all the way through now
[21:56] <evand> by all means :)
[21:57] <superm1> okay cool, just didn't want to interrupt if you were ready to merge something else in
[21:59] <CIA-33> ubiquity: superm1 * r3348 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[21:59] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: partman-base
[21:59] <CIA-33> ubiquity: 133ubuntu1, partman-partitioning 69ubuntu1.
[22:00] <CIA-33> ubiquity: superm1 * r3349 ubiquity/debian/changelog: release 1.99.4
[22:07] <evand> nah, I've been focused on migration-assistant, the slideshow, and usb-creator this past week
[22:07] <evand> unfortunately very little time for my main job at the moment
[22:14] <evand> mterry might want to merge the plugin branch in soon.  I said I would review that this week, but we never sat down and did it.
[22:20] <superm1> wow he's flying through that thing then huh?
[22:23] <evand> well, I don't think he's converted everything to plugins just yet, but at least made the rest of ubiquity comfortable with supporting additional plugins
[22:23] <evand> but yeah, he's moving quick :)
[22:38] <StevenK> evand: So, it seems there's one piece missing for usb-creator.exe to be on the disks themselves.
[22:38] <evand> oh?
[22:39] <StevenK> evand: You fetch it into the live directory with download_live_filesystems, but tools/add_live_filesystems doesn't copy it from the live directory into the CD build directory.
[22:40] <StevenK> evand: I've got a patch prepared to debian-cd for it.
[22:41] <evand> oh wow, I completely forgot about the requisite debian-cd change.  Thanks for hunting that down.
[22:41] <StevenK> evand: No problem, I meant to do it yesterday.
[22:43] <StevenK> Damn, perhaps the change belongs in add_winfoss, rather than add_live_filesystems.


[00:29] <khoover> anyone else get to TIFF today?
[00:45]  * khoover is away: Off I go!
[00:59]  * khoover is back (gone 00:14:04)
[02:36]  * khoover is away: Off I go!
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:54] <khoover> Hola amigo.


[15:23] <johnc4510> morning
[15:27] <tyche> Yea.  THIS time, I think it is.
[15:29] <johnc4510> tyche: hey
[15:29] <johnc4510> how goes it
[15:32] <tyche> Well, now that I've woken up for the SECOND time this morning, not too bad.  Yourself?
[15:32] <johnc4510> hmmm, better today, had a very bad stomach yesterday
[15:33] <tyche> Hmmmm!  So did Paula.  HMMM!  Maybe I should ask her where she was, yesterday.
[15:33] <tyche> Hee hee
[15:33] <johnc4510> lol
[15:33] <johnc4510> or the day before
[15:33] <johnc4510> hee hee
[15:33] <tyche> Seriously, she thinks it was something she ate.
[15:33] <tyche> She's OK now, though.
[15:34] <johnc4510> yeah, i'm not sure myself what it was
[15:34] <johnc4510> or is
[15:34] <johnc4510> gad 495 feeds to work thru
[15:50] <johnc4510> wow, nick has a new blog interface it looks like
[15:50] <johnc4510> http://boredandblogging.com
[15:55] <tyche> That was NOT a nice thing to do to a guy so early in the morning.
[15:55] <tyche> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
[15:56] <tyche> That's worse than a Hawaian shirt on a fat man, early in the morning.
[16:00] <tyche> NET SPLIT!!!  Hee hee
[16:00] <johnc4510> yep
[16:00] <johnc4510> lol
[16:00] <tyche> Now you see what boredandblogging's site did to the IRC world?
[16:01] <johnc4510> hee hee
[16:01] <tyche> System overload.  Hee hee
[16:01] <johnc4510> that is new isn't it
[16:01] <johnc4510> the theme
[16:01] <johnc4510> ?
[16:01] <kennymc0> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!!!!
[16:01] <kennymc0> :D
[16:02] <johnc4510> kennymc0: morning
[16:02] <kennymc0> did you see that i got that new poll that you were talking about up on the site? :)
[16:03] <johnc4510> yeah, i did
[16:03] <johnc4510> nice
[16:03] <johnc4510> :)
[16:03] <tyche> johnc4510: I believe it is.  I'm sure I'd remember the shock if I'd seen it before.
[16:04] <tyche> Just don't show it to kennymc0.  We don't want another net split.  LOL
[16:04] <johnc4510> :)
[16:04] <kennymc0> i looked at the link before the netsplit
[16:04] <johnc4510> last time it was just plain white i think
[16:04] <johnc4510> ah so you  caused that
[16:05] <kennymc0> no my computer wasnt even on when that happened