[20:07] <zap0> so you want a co-ord to country lookup?
[20:08] <Hejkki> yea
[20:08] <YankDownUnder> Hejkki: https://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-tools.php
[20:08] <Hejkki> or if available, even the city
[20:08] <zap0> that's not even related to exif!
[20:08] <Hejkki> related? Yes it is, the gps data is in exif
[20:09] <zap0> it's 2 seperate problems.
[20:09] <Hejkki> yea i know
[20:10] <ppf> !info mediawiki
[20:10] <Hejkki> i was hoping there is a ready-to-use tool like this: whatcountrytaken some.jpg
[20:10] <ppf> !info mediawiki xenial
[20:10] <ppf> why isn't that in the lts ...
[20:11] <zap0> some counties are divided by a 3metre creek..   that's a lot of lookup data to isolate ever 3meters on earth to a specific country.
[20:11] <ntbg> !info perl
[20:11] <ntbg> !info perl:armhf
[20:11] <al2o3-cr> !info exiftool
[20:11] <YankDownUnder> Hejkki: Look at this: https://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-tools.php [20:11] <ppf> is there a sane way to install mediawiki on an ubuntu xenial server?
[20:11] <Hejkki> zap0: i knwo there is such a tool for php, but i don't remember the name, and i'd like to have one for bash/linux
[20:12] <zap0> Hejkki ask in #php for it's name
[20:13] <al2o3-cr> !info libimage-exiftool-perl
[20:13] <genii> !info exiv2
[20:19] <zap0> Hejkki, i have a postgres db of bounding boxes for countries.  but they overlap a bit.
[20:21] <zap0> https://www.maxmind.com/en/free-world-cities-database    33meg db
[20:22] <nacc> ntbg: you cannot
[20:23] <nacc> ntbg: it doesn't make snese to install pakcages for a different architecture
[20:25] <codelina> Anyone know about some good exercises for getting used to common terminal commands and Linux file structure?
[20:26] <MonkeyDust> !bash | codelina start here
[20:26] <YankDownUnder> codelina: There's also: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/
[20:27] <Bashing-om> codelina: Ya get through : http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FullBashGuide you will be in good shape :)
[20:27] <codelina> Sweet. Thanks. I think I can catch on pretty quick, but without guidance on what stuff is for and how to use it (and barring holding an expert hostage while I ask), I don't know how well "exploring" would do for me.
[20:28]  * codelina complete n00b
[20:28] <Bashing-om> codelina: We did it, you can too . We were all new at one time .
[20:29] <YankDownUnder> Hejkki: Just was looking through available software - some to think about: exif, exifprobe, exiftags, gpscorrelate + gpscorrelate-gui, exiv2, jhead and metacam.
[20:29] <nacc> codelina: exploring is, honestly, the best way
[20:29] <nacc> codelina: also, you should have a goal in mind, what you said was really broad
[20:29] <YankDownUnder> I was never new, Bashing-om
[20:29] <nacc> codelina: so why do you want to know how to use the terminal, e.g.?
[20:30] <codelina> I just know my learning style. Throw me into an atmosphere where I can't even tell what way is up and i be like "cd / <enter> cd ~ <enter> ... *2000 cds later* IS THERE MORE TO LIFE THAN THIS???"
[20:30] <codelina> I'm gonna be a hacker when I grows up
[20:30] <bbbbb> this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1521173 made me have like 50gigs worth of .log files should i just delete all my sys and kernellogs or is there an ez way to delete all lines that have "pcieport" in them, its not like they have any valuable info in them anyways so i can safely delete them right?
[20:31] <codelina> I did learn about grep. Would that help bbbbb?
[20:31] <nacc> bbbbb: you can sed out lines in them, but it sounds like they will just fill up again
[20:31] <YankDownUnder> "Hacker". Ah. Right. Maybe "security professional" would be a better term...
[20:32] <codelina> Well, I'm using it in the generalest way possible. Like how kids want to be an astronaut when they grow up, but when they get there, their title is a lot more complicated than that.
[20:33] <codelina> I was told to learn Linux as a good starting point. So I here. :D
[20:33] <skinux> How do I determine if AppArmor is blocking FCGI connections?
[20:33] <YankDownUnder> I wanted to be an archaeologist/Egyptologist. Funny how that works.
[20:34] <nacc> skinux: you will see messages in syslog
[20:34] <skinux> Well, would it have a profile for FGCI by default?
[20:35] <Hejkki> there is from geonames.org it is possible to download a database in sql format for example for coordinate -> country conversion,
[20:35] <Hejkki> -typos
[20:35] <nacc> skinux: i don't know, but apparmor will tell you when it denies something
[20:36] <skinux> It'll tell me in syslog or some other way?
[20:36] <slacko64_5160> HELLO
[20:36] <nacc> skinux: in syslog
[20:36] <nacc> skinux: more than likely, though, it's a firewall issue or something, i doubt it
[20:36] <Hejkki> YankDownUnder: gpscorrelate updates the gps information (coordinates) to a jpg file, it has nothing to do with country names
[20:36] <nacc> skinux: *i doubt it's apparmor
[20:37] <skinux> Well, I haven't changed any firewall config, so that can't be it. Not even sure a firewall is running
[20:37] <Hejkki> i already have the gps data present in the jpg file, the coordinates, but of course not the country names
[20:37] <nacc> skinux: what is your error?
[20:37] <slacko64_5160> M
[20:37] <skinux> [Mon May 01 08:08:47.101902 2017] [proxy:error] [pid 584:tid<PHONE_NUMBER>08992] (111)Connection refused: AH00957: FCGI: attempt to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:9000 (*) failed
[20:38] <slacko64_5160> HOW TO CHANGE NAME
[20:38] <ChaiTRex> slacko64_5160: Please don't use all caps. Which name?
[20:38] <nacc> skinux: and is anything listening on port 9000 (sudo netstat -pan | grep 9000) ?
[20:38] <skinux> Returns nothing
[20:39] <nacc> skinux: then that's why it fails
[20:39] <nacc> skinux: what do you expect to be listening on port 9000? what is your configuration?
[20:40] <skinux> Apache is configured to listen on port 9000
[20:40] <skinux> Or FastCGI is
[20:40] <nacc> skinux: well it's not, or it would be in the netstat output
[20:41] <nacc> skinux: are you trying to use fpm?
[20:41] <skinux> Yes
[20:41] <nacc> skinux: did you tell fpm to listen on port 9000?
[20:41] <skinux> I see, apache is configured to pass along to port 9000, that isn't FastCGI's configuration though.
[20:42] <slacko64_5160> Sorry, the name on the chat app
[20:42] <nacc> skinux: right, so you've told apache to redirect to something that doesn't exist
[20:44] <sjohnson> hi guys.  i'm trying to use build-dep and it's saying i don't have any URIs in sources.list.
[20:44] <sjohnson> i looked the file and there's like 6 or 7 lines with commented-out deb-src
[20:44] <nacc> sjohnson: i beleive it says you have no source URIs
[20:44] <sjohnson> not sure what i'm supposed to do to get it it work... uncomment the top line... or all of them... etc?
[20:44] <nacc> sjohnson: why are you building a package locally?
[20:44] <sjohnson> so i can compile it.
[20:44] <sjohnson> weechat, in particular.
[20:45] <nacc> sjohnson: ... i asked *why*?
[20:45] <sjohnson> why not?
[20:45] <nacc> sjohnson: because you cease to be using ubuntu once you do that, and it's not supported
[20:45] <nacc> it = your new package
[20:45] <nacc> !info weechat
[20:45] <nacc> weechat is also in the archives already
[20:45] <sjohnson> hmm, when i did it it installed some 1.4 version.
[20:45] <nacc> !latest | sjohnson
[20:48] <sjohnson> hmm.
[20:48] <sjohnson> well i suppose i could stop doing what i'm doing.
[20:48] <sjohnson> *worried*
[20:48] <nacc> sjohnson: it also is way more sensible to use a PPA to build things then do it locally
[20:48] <sjohnson> !ppa > me
[20:49] <nacc> sjohnson: or a chroot (see sbuild) or container (lxd)
[20:49] <nacc> sjohnson: you really don't want to muck up your host just to build things
[20:50] <sjohnson> true.
[20:52] <julien> Hello :)
[20:52] <Guest10723> Anyone here?
[20:53] <YankDownUnder> !ask
[20:54] <ChaiTRex> Guest10723: There are 1828 users here.
[20:54] <Guest10723> I'm looking for an
[20:54] <Guest10723> I'm looking for meet ubuntu girls dating communauty
[20:54] <sjohnson> aren't we all?
[20:55] <YankDownUnder> Guest10723: Try in the channel: #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[20:55] <gsvjusttesting> does anyone know when precise will be removed from the mirrors?
[20:55] <Guest10723> Of course ! but there is one ?
[20:55] <dax> Guest10723: No.
[20:55] <Guest10723> I'm sure an woman with somes Linux skills are Hotter in bed
[20:56] <dax> Guest10723: grow up
[20:56] <nacc> Guest10723: stop.
[20:56] <eelstrebor> does anyone know how to use hplip manager to print odd pages only?
[20:56] <gsvjusttesting> or is there like...an ubuntu-infra channel?
[20:59] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: So 'end of life' date was Friday, April 28th. I don't know, when it will be moved form the 'current releases' repo. What I do know is, that the repos will land here... http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[21:00] <ChaiTRex> Is there some specific way to push to get the mini ISO page updated?
[21:00] <nacc> ChaiTRex: which page and what needs updating?
[21:01] <ChaiTRex> It has 12.04 and is missing 17.04. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[21:01] <JimmyNeutron> On Ubuntu 17.04, is there something equilvalent to this to switch between Python 3.5 and Python 3.6?  update-alternatives --config java
[21:02] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: no, you don't wnat to do that
[21:02] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: python3.6 is in universe, python3.5 is in main
[21:02] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: and if 3.6 did something that was not BC to 3.5, and some other script depended on it, you've fubar'd your system
[21:02] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: so invoke the python you want (python3 for 3.5 or python3.6 for 3.6)
[21:03] <JimmyNeutron> nacc, ok.  Right now, in order for me to get virtualenvwrapper to use python3.6, I have to change the symlink; ln -s /usr/bin/python3.6 /usr/bin/python3
[21:03] <JimmyNeutron> but i guess thats a no-no too
[21:03] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: no, that's just as bad
[21:03] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: and is not different than what you suggested earlier really :)
[21:04] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: update-alternatives is just a symlink manager
[21:04] <JimmyNeutron> nacc, what's the recommended way to use python 3.6 w/ virtualenvwrapper?
[21:04] <nacc> ChaiTRex: it also refers to 64-bit powerpc which doesn't exist :)
[21:04] <nacc> ChaiTRex: or should be ppc64el if that's what it means
[21:04] <nacc> ChaiTRex: and 32-bit powerpc is gone
[21:04] <JimmyNeutron> I'll google search it, but asking just in case u know. :)
[21:05] <nacc> JimmyNeutron: is virtualenvwrapper itself a python script?
[21:05] <JimmyNeutron> nacc, Its a shell script
[21:06] <JimmyNeutron> nacc, I'll check with #python channel.  I'm sure I'm not the first to want to use python 3.6 on Ubuntu 17.04
[21:06] <JimmyNeutron> Thanks!
[21:07] <ChaiTRex> nacc: They list those as unofficial versions (with the double asterisk).
[21:08] <ChaiTRex> nacc: There must be someone compiling them outside of Canonical or whatever.
[21:08] <bruda> Hello. I installed a command line installation via network installer. It saved the wifi connection somewhere in my installation. Can anyone tell me what is being used to manage wifi by default in 17.094
[21:08] <bruda> *17.04
[21:09] <bruda> Or maybe where it would have saved the wifi connection I used during install?
[21:10] <nacc> ChaiTRex: interesting, i'll fix it up
[21:10] <ChaiTRex> nacc: Thanks :)
[21:12] <bruda> Nobody eh? I understand. Not many folks spend a lot of time in a command line only system.
[21:12] <izzyb> Having some issues with a kvm virtual host after an upgrade.  symptoms appear consistent with this redhat bug report.  could use some help finding the kubuntu equivalent.  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182105
[21:14] <minimec> bruda: Hmm... maybe check for some .conf files in /etc/wpa_supplicant I don't know if network-manager is used for terminal based installations.
[21:16] <bruda> minimec: thanks. Actually NetworkManager is not installed. But I did notice wpa_supplicant was installed.
[21:17] <bruda> I actually decided I wanted to use wicd-curses. But I need to disable the connection that keeps connecting by default on boot.
[21:18] <dank101> Is there any way I can run SCO Unix apps on Ubuntu without VMs?
[21:18] <dank101> I know there's a method with iBCS2/ABI but that's only on 2.4/2.6
[21:19] <minimec> bruda: you can probably just disable networking with 'sudo systemctl stop networking' to achieve taht.
[21:19] <nacc> bruda: it's almost certain via /etc/network/interfaces
[21:19] <Eduardo> hello
[21:19] <Eduardo> someone there?
[21:19] <dank101> Eduardo, Yep
[21:20] <Eduardo> Whats up?
[21:20] <izzyb> Having some issues with a kvm virtual host after an upgrade.  symptoms appear consistent with this redhat bug report.  could use some help finding the kubuntu equivalent.  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182105.  Here's the output of uname -a if it helps.  Linux kvm 4.4.0-77-generic #98-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 26 08:34:02 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:20] <Eduardo> What r u doing?
[21:20] <ChaiTRex> dank101: Not looking good: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/48359/ubuntu-linux-and-sco-unix-openserver
[21:20] <nacc> ChaiTRex: done, note that as is suspected the ppc64 and ppc images no longer exist
[21:20] <bruda> nacc: I did find it in /etc/network/interfaces as a primary interface with 'auto' set. Can I just comment out those lines?
[21:20] <dank101> ChaiTRex, Any way to run a second kernel in something like a chroot besides VMs?
[21:20] <nacc> bruda: what's your goal?
[21:20] <bruda> minimec: will that break wicd?
[21:20] <nacc> dank101: by definitely, you cannot run a second kernel in a chroot
[21:21] <nacc> dank101: *definition
[21:21] <nacc> dank101: you need a VM to use another kernel
[21:21] <bruda> nacc: I just want to disable the default wireless connection setup during installation and manually manage wireless with wicd
[21:21] <dank101> nacc, I know, I'm asking for something similar
[21:21] <ChaiTRex> nacc: Oh, those last two still have 12.04.
[21:21] <dank101> Darn :/ nacc
[21:21] <minimec> bruda: Probably not, but don't hang me on this... ;)
[21:21] <bruda> minimec: It'll be off with your head! Just kidding
[21:21] <nacc> ChaiTRex: fixed
[21:22] <nacc> bruda: you can try and see if it changes it
[21:22] <ChaiTRex> nacc: Thanks a lot :)
[21:22] <bruda> guess I'll reboot and see.
[21:22] <minimec> bruda: If you want that choice permanently, you would also have to 'sudo systemctl disable networking', otherwise networking is again started with the next boot...
[21:23] <dank101> So any way to integrate a VM's apps into my main OS?
[21:23] <izzyb> No systemd wizards in the house?
[21:23] <nacc> minimec: well, if there's nothing in /e/n/i, having the networking service run wont' do anything
[21:24] <gsvjusttesting> minimec: do you know who knows?
[21:24] <nacc> dank101: what do you mean by a VM's apps?
[21:24] <nacc> dank101: your host doesn't know what is running in your VM
[21:24] <nacc> dank101: that's the whole point of virtualziation
[21:24] <dank101> :/
[21:24] <minimec> nacc: True, but in case his wicd configuration fails, he has a working 'backup'...
[21:25] <dank101> I just really want to run SCO/Sun apps on my PC
[21:25] <sjohnson> nacc: ended up just adding weechat's official sources to a list via their instructions so i don't have to compile anything.
[21:26] <sjohnson> not really sure how to use "bleeding-edge" software with Ubuntu.  i'm a bit of a noob i guess.
[21:26] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: You can always change your repo list to 'old.releases' in /etc/apt/sources.list to get the latest updates, before you do the upgrade to 14.04.
[21:27] <gsvjusttesting> minimec: doesn't help if I'm running a mirror and would like to know when 12.04 will disappear
[21:27] <ChaiTRex> dank101: Sorry for the delay. I don't know of any, but I'm not really that knowledgeable about things like that. The things I've seen share a kernel among containers or something like that, but don't use more than one (except VMs of course).
[21:27] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: True. Maybe have a look here... http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2017/03/15/ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin-reaches-end-of-life-on-april-28-2017/
[21:28] <gsvjusttesting> yes I know that EOL was the 28th, but the failed to mention what happens to the packages and when
[21:28] <nacc> sjohnson: you don't
[21:29] <nacc> sjohnson: or you always stay on the latest release
[21:29] <nacc> sjohnson: snaps resolve some of this, but i don't know if weechat has a snap
[21:29] <nacc> dank101: run them in your VM? why do you care where they run?
[21:30] <Bruda> that worked. Just commented out the primary interface settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[21:31] <Bruda> The reason I'm doing this is because I have this old POS Aspire One that I'm turing into a command line machine that I can mess around in.  Precise is already in old.releases. So you could do the change right now on your mirror and close it genlty whenever you want...
[21:33] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/
[21:33] <Bruda> PS I just LOVE the Ubuntu mini iso with the network installer.
[21:33] <gsvjusttesting> minimec: I already made a copy of /ubuntu, I just just just just just want to know the day that they will remove it from upstream /ubuntu
[21:35] <minimec> gsvjusttesting: So contact the guy that did this post out of the link I posted before... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2017-March/003777.html
[21:35] <dank101> nacc, generally for the atheistic, the apps I want to run don't run on an OS with virtualbox host window integration (SCO Unix)
[21:35] <sjohnson> nacc: yeah i like to keep on top of the latest weechats.  don't really care about much else though.
[21:36] <nacc> sjohnson: snaps are the way that would work on ubuntu, but like i said, dunno if they are engaged
[21:36] <nacc> dank101: i mean, do you really need "host window integration"?
[21:36] <sjohnson> yeah, not sure.  their ubuntu instructions work great though my guess is that they probably didn't bother.
[21:36] <sjohnson> WeeChat 1.7.1 [compiled on Apr 22 2017 14:35:51]
[21:36] <sjohnson> :o)
[21:37] <dank101> nacc, No but I prefer it :P
[21:39] <alk_> i'm thinking of deleting windows and installing ubuntu. however, i would like to keep D: partition intact. During the installation i'm thinking of deleting C:, where Windows is located, and then creating new partition. It would be smaller than C:, so there would be some GB left free. My question is, will it format D: if i just add those extra GBs to it?
[21:40] <izzyb> Having some issues with a kvm virtual host after an upgrade.  symptoms appear consistent with this redhat bug report.  could use some help finding the kubuntu equivalent.  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182105.  Here's the output of uname -a if it helps.  Linux kvm 4.4.0-77-generic #98-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 26 08:34:02 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux.  This is xenial which I believe is 16.04.  should I attempt an upgrade
[21:40] <izzyb> to 17.04 or 16.10 as a solution to this?
[21:41] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Do you mean combining part of C: with D: to get a bigger D:?
[21:42] <izzyb> actual symptoms are that the host can talk to virtual machines, but can't talk to physical machines on the network.
[21:43] <Lavinho> how to unlock samsung e1200 free~
[21:43] <Lavinho> ?
[21:43] <alk_> no, i well delete C:, so i could install / on it. So, only C: would get formated. My original C: has 500GB, and / would be ~50GBs, so i would have 450GBs free. I want to know would adding those 450GB to D: format the D:, eventually leaving me losing my files i want not deleted.
[21:43] <alk_> delete C:, and than make new 50GB partition for /
[21:47] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: The "host" can only talk to the VM's and cannot talk to any other machines on the "real" network?
[21:48] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, exactly.  I've confirmed the switch is good because other machines can talk to each ther when configured with static ip addresses.
[21:49] <izzyb> I'm connected to irc from the host, using a virtual machine as the firewall
[21:49] <ChaiTRex> alk_: The best option is to back up the files before you proceed, write down the sizes of C: and D: so that you can tell them apart in the partition editing tool, then delete the partition that's the same size as C:, create '/' and the swap partition both on the front or back part of where C: was (whichever is farthest away from D:) and to leave D: and the new empty space alone until Ubuntu is installed.
[21:50] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: It could be "inferred" that the network configuration on the "host" is ONLY configured for the NAT network that the "host" is providing to the VM's...just going by what you stated...in a virtualised setting, the "host" would have two networks - the "real" network and the "virtual" network...true?
[21:50] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Once Ubuntu is installed, make sure D: is good, then you can resize it using Gnome Disks or something.
[21:50] <ChaiTRex> alk_: You should definitely have a backup of it, just in case, though.
[21:52] <alk_> ChaiTRex: I've read somewhere that ppl did it without losing their D: data. I would back-up but for various reason am not able to atm. Ty anyway, was helpful.
[21:52] <ChaiTRex> alk_: You can still try without backing up.
[21:53] <ChaiTRex> alk_: It should resize it just fine, but there's also the small chance it will screw up.
[21:53] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, physical machine has 3 nics - eth0, 1, 2 respectively.  eth2 isn't configured for anything so can be ignored for now.  each interface is bridged br0 is internet, br1 is lan
[21:53] <deus402> i'm trying to delete my old raid to recreate a new one in ubuntu, can't seem to get some of the superblocks to zero... https://pastebin.com/AMTicJnW
[21:53] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Just don't resize D: until Ubuntu is up and running. Don't do anything to it while installing.
[21:53] <zer0day> when battery low then suddenly suspend , when i push the power button it shows the login and then i cant enter eventhough my password is correct , in my ubuntu 16.04lts
[21:54] <alk_> ChaiTREx: yea, it can go either way :D just don't see the reason why it should.
[21:54] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: Does it say you entered the wrong password in red?
[21:54] <zer0day> no.. i cant even enter in guest mode
[21:55] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: That's not a bad password then; it's called a login loop.
[21:55] <zer0day> then suddenly lots of codes system from the kernel appearing
[21:55] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: Here are a list of a lot of fixes for problems that cause login loops: https://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop
[21:55] <zer0day> it automatically open its unix terminal and showing me different kinds of kernel system problems
[21:56] <magic_1> hi all, which is the best way to upgrade ubuntu server 10.04 to new lts without upgrade python to v3
[21:57] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, I can give you the output of brctl if it helps.  8 lines is that safe to paste or should i paste bin it
[21:57] <ikonia> magic_1: you're not going to do that
[21:57] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: Pastebin
[21:57] <kostkon> magic_1, you can have both versions
[21:57] <alk_> ChaiTRex: one more question: so, /home will be on the same patition as / ?
[21:57] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: You don't need to worry about that. `python` is still Python 2, `python3` is Python 3.
[21:58] <izzyb> YankDownUnder,  anything else you would like to see?
[21:58] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Yep, unless you have a good reason not to.
[21:58] <kostkon> !eolupgrades | magic_1, and you'll probably need this
[21:58] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: FTM, nah...just that
[21:58] <zer0day> ChaiTRex: -rw-------  1 zer0day zer0day    143 May  2 02:51 .Xauthority
[21:58] <zer0day> its already named at me and its not rooted
[21:58] <ChaiTRex> alk_: 50 GB is enough for a system and text files and browsing the Internet. Not for lots of movies or pictures.
[21:59] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: See if the next problem listed is relevant.
[21:59] <izzyb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24495141/
[21:59] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: The next problem has them editing `.profile` and screwing a small thing up. Did you edit `.profile`?
[21:59] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: If not, try the next answer after that.
 so, when i install ubuntu, i would just need to 'merge' D: to ubuntu partition? leaving me with data intact and 1 partition?
[22:00] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: Unfortunately, there are a lot of problems that can cause logins to fail, so it might take a while to find the specific problem.
[22:00] <zer0day> okay.. i hope this works
[22:01] <ChaiTRex> alk_: No, you can't merge D: with a Linux partition. If you want to convert everything to Linux, that's a bit more complicated.
[22:01] <zer0day> my /tmp is in root so i need to change its permission
[22:01] <Whistler1998> This made my day
[22:01] <Whistler1998> http://prntscr.com/f315vc
[22:01] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: "STP Enabled" => "no" except for the virtual? Hmmmmm......? https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/networking/bridge
[22:01] <ChaiTRex> zer0day: `root` should own `/tmp`, but the permissions should be drwxrwxrwt
[22:01] <alk_> but D: partition would still be usable? i could put files in it, etc?
[22:01] <ikonia> Whistler1998: don't need that in this channel
[22:02] <Whistler1998> It's beautiful
[22:02] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Yes, but it would be nicer if you converted everything to Linux.
[22:02] <Whistler1998> rip
[22:02] <ikonia> Whistler1998: not in this channel please
[22:02] <Whistler1998> bye
[22:02] <ChaiTRex> alk_: How big is D:?
[22:02] <magic_1> ChaiTRex - going through the site now
[22:02] <zer0day> ChaiTRex:  its the same with the permission now
[22:02] <alk_> 500GB :D ok, i'll do it. most important thing is to not lose my data
[22:02] <magic_1> ChaiTRex - the issue that I have is, that the server I have been given from the service provide only has 10.04
[22:02] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Hold on.
[22:03] <alk_> i'll find a tutorial on how 'merge' D to ubuntu
[22:03] <ChaiTRex> alk_: It's tough to upgrade those.
[22:03] <alk_> upgrade?
[22:03] <zer0day> can both repositories in ubuntu and kali can be mashed up?
[22:03] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Sorry, wrong person.
[22:04] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: It's tough to upgrade those, since you probably can't have it boot from an ISO and give you a terminal.
[22:04] <craysiii> I just booted up recovery mode for 17.04 to fix a screen issue, but after i enabled networking it seems that dns isnt working but i can ping google, leading to me not being able to use apt. any suggestions?
[22:05] <ChaiTRex> alk_: To do this is more complex. Delete C:, put swap partition farthest away from D:, put the rest of the space in `/`. Get Ubuntu up and running. Copy over everything from D:. Make sure the data is all nice by checking a few files. Run Gnome Disks to delete D: and add the empty space to `/`.
[22:05] <kostkon> craysiii, ping google.com or google dns <IP_ADDRESS>?
[22:05] <craysiii> i can ping <IP_ADDRESS>, not any domain name
[22:05] <kostkon> craysiii, ok
[22:06] <magic_1> ChaiTRex thats exactly it, I dont have access to the server physically
[22:06] <magic_1> ChaiTRex: which makes it an issue
[22:07] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: Can you ask them to put you on 16.04 (it's an LTS, so no need for upgrades until 2021, where 17.04 needs an upgrade in nine months)?
[22:07] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: They may be willing to help you out.
[22:08] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, yeah, not sure that's related but will have a look at that later.  It appears the nic thinks it's link is down, so maybe I'm looking in the wrong direction.  Just noticed this in ip ro output  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24495271/
[22:08] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: If not, 10.04 can be annoyingly upgraded to 16.04 or later.
[22:08] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: But a clean install is MUCH nicer.
[22:09] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, the nic is the motherboard nic.  I'll add the hardware details to the pastebin
[22:09] <ChaiTRex> alk_: The adding D: to `/` step might need a live CD (like the Ubuntu install DVD).
[22:09] <magic_1> ChaiTRex: spoken to them, unfortunately they are unable too.
[22:09] <craysiii> kostkon my if file only has lo configured, i can't use ifconfig since its "not available", should i try to edit if?
[22:10] <makaan> Hey guys, i'm having some problems with Pulseaudio and my intel audio card, sometimes the audio skips for a second, i'm using the arch wiki to try to find a solution but it only changes the lenght of the skips
[22:11] <kostkon> craysiii, i believe ifconfig was deprecated long ago
[22:11] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: In that case, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all whatever.archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com, then sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:11] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: "Things that make you go HMMM...."
[22:11] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24495319/
[22:11] <ChaiTRex> magic_1: That will get everything updated to the farthest 10.04 gets, which gets you ready to jump to 12.04.
[22:11] <alk_> ChaiTRex: i got prompted with question 'if i want to umount partitions on /dev/sda. it that if i leave partitions mounted, i won't be able to delete or create new partitions? will unmounting delet D:?
[22:12] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Prompted when?
[22:12] <alk_> during the installation
[22:12] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, I see we have a udev rename going on, let me see if I can clean that out
[22:12] <craysiii> ok i will start using ip lol, old habits die hard
[22:12] <alk_> just befor 'Chose something else' part
[22:12] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: "Link down"...er...have you checked the cable(s)??
[22:12] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Oh, choose something else.
[22:13] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Delete the C: partition (*double check* which one it is by looking at the size of each partition).
[22:13] <izzyb> YankDownUnder,  yeah, just did but I'll try swapping ports and cable just to cover all bases
[22:13] <magic_1> ChaiTRex: going to try that now
[22:14] <alk_> Ok, but, got qustion asking me if i want to mount or unmount /dev/sda. if i leave it mounted, i wount be able to make or delete new partition. will unmounting delete context of D:?
[22:14] <alk_> i can't proceed before i answer it
[22:16] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Unmount it. It just stops the system from using it. It won't delete it.
[22:16] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Do you have only one hard drive?
[22:16] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, k, link is still down even plugging into a different device (wifi router)
[22:16] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Or is this spread on two separate physical hard drives?
[22:17] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: And you've "restarted" the networking on eth0...?
[22:17] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, doubt it's a bad cable, but could swap that to test as well.  The redhat bug I posted seems to speak of a udev/ systemd race condition
[22:17] <izzyb> yeah, I've rebooted this host several times.  hmm, come to think of it I haven't tried a physical power off.  could be hung nic firmware.
[22:18] <izzyb> I'll give that a shot actually, bbiab
[22:18] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: A nice "cold" boot is always good.
[22:18] <izzyb> yeah was just thinking that :)
[22:21] <skapa> hi , got a remote server that worn reboot... tried everything and noone is on-site at the moment to perform a reboot... is there any way to force the reboot? other than reboot -f (tried, did nothing)?
[22:22] <YankDownUnder> skapa: You've tried "sudo reboot" - yes?
[22:22] <skapa> yes
[22:22] <skapa> logged in as root
[22:22] <izzyb> YankDownUnder,  sadly that wasn't the answer :(
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> skapa: How about " sudo reboot -f" ?
[22:23] <skapa> YankDownUnder:
[22:23] <tomreyn> skapa: do you have a networked keyboard + video + mouse or serial console attached to it?
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: "Things that make you go HMMMMM...."
[22:23] <skapa> tomreyn: i wish...
[22:23] <skapa> somehow my ssh connection is still alive
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> skapa: So what that a yes or a no to "sudo reboot -f" ?
[22:24] <tomreyn> skapa: then i would recommend against hard resetting it, you don't know whether it'll ask you questions during boot, such as due to fsck (which will likely kick in if you boot without cleanly unmounting).
[22:24] <skapa> YankDownUnder:  yes already tried
[22:24] <tomreyn> if you still want to, you could try the sysrq approach
[22:24] <YankDownUnder> skapa: Have you looked at the running processes to see what might be hanging?
[22:25] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, yeah, wonder if I have a hardware issue or if it's a driver issue.  seems like an awfully big coincidence to have the mb nic die at the same time as  system updates are installed.
[22:25] <skapa> YankDownUnder: i believe it is a "rm" command, tried to kill it with -9 but didnt work
[22:25] <izzyb> in the short term I could rename the eth2 nic to be eth1 and probably get this box back up
[22:25] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: Yersh...strange it would seem - HOWEVER, that being said, it's not as though it's uncommon...as a "driver" would sometimes push a bit of hardware "over the edge" - as it were...
[22:25] <skapa> its trying to remove something on a hard drive that is already unmounted (usb disk)
[22:26] <YankDownUnder> skapa "sudo killall -9 nameofprocess" ?
[22:26] <tomreyn> !sysrq | skapa
[22:27] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, improbably isn't the same as impossible.  k, if I can get around this by renaming the nic for now, that'll solve the immediate issue.
[22:27] <YankDownUnder> tomreyn: Um...he's not onsite...and no one is ON site to hard-reset the machine... :)
[22:27] <tomreyn> skapa: what ubottu just told you only works on the pysical terminal / a serial console. but you you can also issue sysrq's by piping them into sysrq-trigger
[22:28] <YankDownUnder> skapa: Have you tried to unmount whatever the device is forcefully? (also, you can use "lsof" to see what's going on...hmm?)
[22:28] <skapa> YankDownUnder:  yes, its already unmounted
[22:29] <craysiii> so i ran apt-get upgrade in recovery mode, and im hanging on "Installing new version of config file /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.snapd.snap-confine.real ..."
[22:29] <YankDownUnder> skapa: As tomreyn just said: " but you you can also issue sysrq's by piping them into sysrq-trigger"
[22:30] <skapa> YankDownUnder: how would i do that?
[22:32] <YankDownUnder> skapa: https://major.io/2009/01/29/linux-emergency-reboot-or-shutdown-with-magic-commands/comment-page-1/
[22:33] <Unline> .
[22:34] <alk_> ChaiTRex: sry, one more thing. i got 'Force UEFI installation?' step. Will continuing in UEFI effect D:?
[22:34] <ChaiTRex> alk_: Do you have two hard drives or just one?
[22:34] <skapa> YankDownUnder: got disconnected, hopefuly that was a reboot >.< pray now it doesnt hang...
[22:35] <YankDownUnder> skapa: Cross your fingers, mate. You *may* have saved the day, eh? :)
[22:35] <skapa> YankDownUnder: hope so otherwise i will have alot of angry people in the morning
 one
[22:36] <YankDownUnder> skapa: I'm already in the future. I don't foresee angry people attacking you with big sticks and staplers.
[22:36] <ChaiTRex> alk_: OK. Do you know if your system is BIOS or UEFI?
[22:37] <alk_> ChaiTRex: Win is installed using 'BIOS compatibillity mode'.
[22:37] <ChaiTRex> alk_: In that case, choose BIOS instead of UEFI. It won't affect D:.
[22:38] <skapa> YankDownUnder: solid work mate, it rebooted!
[22:39] <skapa> Thanks to all that helped, really!
[22:39] <YankDownUnder> skapa: Good on ya, mate. You're buying the donuts.
[22:39] <skapa> YankDownUnder: just give us the link haha
[22:40] <craysiii> on fresh 17.04, after install, i can log in to my account but as soon as i hit enter the screen goes black and mouse becomes unresponsive, after a minute or so screen goes gray (gnome background) but desktop remains unresponsive until forced reboot
[22:40] <craysiii> ubuntu gnome 17.04
[22:40] <YankDownUnder> skapa: As is with karma - make absolutely sure you do something nice for someone today - preferably a stranger.
[22:40] <skapa> \o7
[22:41] <kostkon> !cookie
[22:54] <claudio-tux> hi
[22:54] <rizonz> hi guys
[22:54] <rizonz> is there a perl 5.24 version for xenial to find ?
[22:55] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, Thanks.  renaming nics and swapping things around solved my problem.
[22:56] <kostkon> !info perl xenial
[22:56] <claudio-tux> 280/5000
[22:56] <claudio-tux> good evening
[22:56] <claudio-tux> People, a good day delay in the game Amnesia in Ubuntu Software Center
[22:56] <claudio-tux> I'm trying to find the option to reinstall antesores, but it does not work
[22:56] <claudio-tux> I'm using Ubuntu Gnome 16.04
[22:56] <claudio-tux> Already installing the ubuntu program center
[22:56] <ONY> hello everyone
[22:56] <claudio-tux> I do not even play the game.
[22:56] <claudio-tux> Did I lose my money?
[22:57] <rizonz> kostkon: I know that version but I need something newer
[22:58] <Sparrow__> what are you trying to install
[22:58] <rizonz> Sparrow__: I need newer perl-modules without updating them with cpan
[22:58] <YankDownUnder> izzyb: Did you pat yerself on the back yet?
[22:59] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Have you tried "recovery" ; see what happens ?
[22:59] <craysiii> Bashing-om yes i run into a whole host of other issues
[22:59] <craysiii> going to just try 16.04
[23:00] <izzyb> YankDownUnder, yeah. thanks for letting me bounce the symptoms off you
[23:00] <Bashing-om> craysiii: K' I just got back to the keyboard - have not read the back log :)
[23:00] <craysiii> ah, i see
[23:01] <kostkon> rizonz, it's not in updates or backports. so only option left is to find a ppa that offers the version of perl you're looking for. Be aware that probably some components of Ubuntu are written in perl so you may break your system if you upgrade it
[23:01] <rizonz> kostkon: yeah true the issue is I need newer modules for assp
[23:01] <craysiii> well, i went into recovery mode, couldnt get apt to run because of dns, edited /etc/resolv.conf and got tht working, but then when i did an apt upgrade i got hung on two different steps, one which eventually timed out but the other, which i stated above, persisted
[23:02] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Many times in sych a situation we find it is a graphic's driver issue .
[23:02] <rizonz> I can update with cpan for the use itself but I want to install using packages
[23:02] <craysiii> thats what im thinking, which is why i booted into user mode, but i am afraid to try to install the nvidia driver if i can't even successfully upgrade
[23:03] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Wise on your part . Get the system fully updated . - what ever that might take - . then we see .
[23:04] <rizonz> kostkon: I assume most things are backwards compatible
[23:06] <craysiii> yes Bashing-om i get stuck with snapd. i booted into recovery again, tried apt update, told me to run dpkg --configure -a, did so but its hanging on "setting up snapd"
[23:07] <Bashing-om> craysiii: K; pastebin - sudo apt update - . so I see in context . then see where we go .
[23:08] <channey>  I am getting frustrated with this issue. I am using xset +dpms; xset s off dpms 120 120 120 in .xinitrc and after booting, it turns off screen for few times then it doesnt work anymore until a next reboot. Can anyone please please help me figure this out?
[23:10] <craysiii> do you mean upgrade?
[23:11] <YankDownUnder> craysiii: Just merely the output of the "sudo apt-get update" => so that Bashing-om can see what's going on...
[23:12] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: :) always glad to have you at my back .
[23:13] <YankDownUnder> Trying to be "mindful" and aware...(trying...emphasis on trying)... ;)
[23:13] <channey> anyone?
[23:14] <YankDownUnder> channey: Right...here's the initial question - why are you doing that in the first place? What is the underlying issue that you're trying to resolve?
[23:14] <kostkon> rizonz, I guess they are, but you have yet to find a ppa or some other source that offers 5.24 for xenial
[23:14] <craysiii> https://pastebin.com/S1dVZwx9
[23:15] <rizonz> kostkon: found one :)
[23:15] <craysiii> i did not mean to question you, just reaffirm what you want so i don't give you the wrong thing :)
[23:15] <kostkon> rizonz, that was fast :)
[23:15] <rizonz> kostkon: I'm Buzz Lightyear baby, pop on!
[23:16] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Data base sync is consistent . and yeah ya guessed it . next show us ' sudo apt upgrade ' .
[23:17] <craysiii> ok well i typed that out by hand.. any hint on how i can get it to pastebin from recovery mode?
[23:18] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | craysiii
[23:18] <tomreyn> ..thats if you got networking
[23:20] <kankusht> good evening
[23:20] <tomreyn> (or capture output to a file and upload it later or from a different computer)
[23:20] <Bashing-om> craysiii: ouch ! run as ' sudo apt upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . The result is a URL back in terminal. Pass that link back here .
[23:20] <kankusht> I have a question
[23:20] <tomreyn> hi kankusht
[23:20] <tomreyn> !ask | kankusht
[23:21] <craysiii> thank you bashing-om and tomreyn, i couldn't install pastebinit because of the aformentioned issue, i will try the other one
[23:21] <kankusht> is it possible to update libreoffice by adding the PPA and then executing the apt-get update and upgrade?
[23:21] <Bashing-om> craysiii: From recovery you might have to "enable networking " .. hummm .
[23:22] <craysiii> i did make sure to enable networking and edit resolv.conf
[23:22] <craysiii> thank you though for consideration
[23:22] <tomreyn> kankusht: if there's a PPA you trust that provides newer versions which are compatible to your ubuntu releases, yes
[23:23] <kankusht> understood, thank you very much
[23:23] <kostkon> kankusht, there is also a snap version. It should be in Ubuntu Software.
[23:23] <tomreyn> kankusht: why do you need a newer version, if i may ask?
[23:23] <YankDownUnder> craysiii: Have you tried: sudo apt-get -f install [23:23] <kankusht> well, the new version looks awesome in compare to the one I have :)
[23:24] <kostkon> kankusht, which ubuntu release are you on
[23:24] <kankusht> I'm still using version 4.2
[23:24] <tomreyn> ubuntu 4.2? i don't think this ever existed
[23:25] <kankusht> well, I have it
[23:25] <tomreyn> are you mixing up ubuntu release and libreoffice release?
[23:26] <tomreyn> type this in a temrinal: lsb_release -d
[23:26] <YankDownUnder> Ubuntu 4.10 was "Warty Warthog"....er....
[23:26] <kankusht> no, that is the version that comes by default with mu OS
[23:26] <kankusht> awesome a new command :D
[23:26] <kankusht> ubuntu 14.04
[23:27] <tomreyn> kankusht: So your ubuntu release version is 14.04. is there no other number behind the 14.04 ?
[23:27] <tomreyn> do you not install updates?
[23:27] <kankusht> yes, 14.04.5
[23:27] <tomreyn> i see
[23:28] <kankusht> yes, I usually install updates
[23:28] <kankusht> but no from the terminal
[23:28] <YankDownUnder> I'm envious of the .5 bit...
[23:28] <tomreyn> so, how you upgrade your ubuntu release and thus get a newer libreoffice version, too?
[23:28] <kankusht> I use the software updater
[23:28] <tomreyn> *how about
[23:28] <kubunted> how do i read files on windows partition? in dolphin it shows only NTUSER.DAT* files and folders but not contents of the latter...wtf?
[23:30] <kankusht> I thought to do that, but it's the right time yet
[23:30] <kankusht> for me
[23:30] <tomreyn> kubunted: maybe you're using file / full disk encryption on windows?
[23:31] <kankusht> this is the complete version: <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:31] <craysiii> http://termbin.com/xr0a
[23:31] <craysiii> hanging here
[23:32] <kubunted> also related , some files on a FAT32 usb flashdrive don't write to another exfat drive ( exfat utils installed) , e.g. *.html and related folders, while others transfer fine such as *.pdf , videos pix etc.... how to solve?
[23:33] <kubunted> tomreyn: no encryption on the windows partition
[23:33] <kubunted> weird
[23:34] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Not to ne hard to get along with / up until " Setting up snapd (2.24.1+17.04) ..." looked doable .. need to see all that output to know what is not going on .
[23:34] <Bashing-om> ne/be*
[23:35] <tomreyn> kankusht: you could try this PPA, but as the description states, these can be unstable and stuff can break: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=trusty
[23:35] <tomreyn> kankusht: so the ubuntu upgrade is most likely a better solution
[23:36] <craysiii> unfortunately there isnt any output after that, it just hangs indefinitely, and that output was the result of booting straight into recovery mode, adding dns via resolv.conf, then running the command you gave me
[23:36] <kankusht> tomreyn: I'll give it a try thank you very much again
[23:36] <tomreyn> kubunted: sorry, i don't know then. i luckily don't need to deal with windows much.
[23:36] <craysiii> even trying to run apt-get upgrade now results in "could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock ..."
[23:36] <tomreyn> kankusht: welcome
[23:37] <YankDownUnder> craysiii: That means that there is a background update check in progress...."update-xapi" -> which you could "kill" -> and then try to force an update
[23:37] <kubunted> is there a linux distro that works out of the box? I've been fedored already with a disfunctional distro now kubunted
[23:38] <Sparrow__> craysiii, do you have a second package manager open?
[23:38] <MarioMey> Hi, there. Does anybody have 70-nautilus-scripts, from Gnome-Look? The file is not any more in Dropbox account...
[23:38] <YankDownUnder> "Dysfunctional" meaning it won't read a Windows partition? Hmm...
[23:38] <Sparrow__> kubunted, download several and run them virtual or live until you find one you like.  see distrowatch
[23:39] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Yukkie poo . Ho kay / Let's try 'ctl+c' to end the process .. and as we have "packages have been kept back" try: ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' . ( ping -c3 ubuntu.com returms positive ? )
[23:39] <kubunted> Sparrow__:  the more obscure are even worse...tired of trying
[23:41] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: Have you considered that the "mount" issues are part of the ntfs-3g set of file system drivers and looked into exactly how/why the "Windows mount" is not working? (KDE+Dolphin aside)
[23:41] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: nope, that's why i ask
[23:42] <craysiii> Bashing-om ping is good. i used control-c and killed the pid of the snapd process, still though when i try to apt-get full-upgrade i get http://termbin.com/ogaw
[23:43] <craysiii> i tried to kill the existing processes for apt-get that remain but they will not die
[23:43] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: There's a great place to start looking...and by default, if a "Windows" partition is in "fast shutdown" mode, it might not even BE recognised or read or read entirely...
[23:43] <Sparrow__> craysiii, do you have a second package manager open?
[23:44] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: fast shutdown as "restart"? it's indeed in that mode prior to booting kubuntu as recommended ...but the folders and some files are showing, where are the rest?
[23:45] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: It's recommended that MS Windows (insert version here) is in "fast shut down" mode prior to using KUbuntu? Sorry...I find that a bit absurd...becuase it effectively causes ntfs-3g to "spit the dummy" and think that the drive is in "hibernation"....
[23:46] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Well. we find the process and try and gracefully terminate it ' ps -e | grep apt ' .
[23:46] <YankDownUnder> Bashing-om: I believe the process is going to be something like "xapian-update-xapi" or similar...
[23:47] <al2o3-cr> use pgrep
[23:47] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: ok, but would kubuntu boot at all after other than the "restart" mode? i've been lead to believe it can't even boot otherwise
[23:47] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: As I play catchup here . We find it and terminate - one way or another ... huh ?
[23:48] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: That's the first time I've heard that...in like, er, what, 20+ years...hmm...
[23:48] <YankDownUnder> Bashing-om: "Surveil. Locate. Target. Eliminate."
[23:48] <craysiii> well i rebooted again, ran apt-get full-upgrade, it installed those packages, and of course, gets stuck on "Setting up snapd"
[23:49] <kubunted> ok, i'll try the other modes, but why does it see some files and folders but not the rest? weird
[23:49] <kubunted> and what about not writing *.html files to an exfat flashdrive while other files write fine
[23:49] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: In "Windows" (assuming 10?) you need to disable the "fast shutdown/fast startup" - it's a hybrid "hibernation" that causes ntfs-3g to lock the partition.
[23:50] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: where is the disabling , in bios or windows settings?
[23:50] <Sparrow__> disable fastboot
[23:51] <ChaiTRex> kubunted: That's in Windows' settings.
[23:51] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: It's in Windows. Power management. It can also be turned off via the "cmd prompt" or "power shell" with: powercfg -h:off
[23:51] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: and what about not writing *.html files to an exfat flashdrive while other files write fine
[23:52] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: That is something I'm not aware of - but that might be something to ask in #kubuntu - as it could possibly be something with "Dolphin"...I'm assuming you've already "Googled" for this, hmm?
[23:54] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: right now kubuntu is _installed_ on a flash drive because it could not install side by side with windows ( following the instructions exactly) -  reports the intended partition as unawailable or so (i can't recall exact) and there seem to be no answer on the web
[23:54] <Bashing-om> !info snapd
[23:55] <craysiii> yeah i just removed snapd lol.
[23:55] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: You weren't able to resize or do anything with the partition because it's locked, bro. Windows - in "hibernation" or "fast shutdown" - would stop that from happening.
[23:56] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Might be good . on zesty I do not know . we good now to see about a graphic's driver ?
[23:57] <kubunted> YankDownUnder:  that's the exact instructions - to install after "restart" ( and I've tried the "shutdown") because exactly they say of the type of the windows hibernation issues you describe
[23:57] <Bashing-om> craysiii: Should be all right to do without snapd:  "Priority: optional" per apt show .
[23:57] <kubunted> and the windows partition is shrunk as instructed too
[23:58] <craysiii> installing driver now, will let you know how it goes
[23:58] <YankDownUnder> kubunted: Fine fine fine. Whatever. I'm left to ponder on what exactly you read, how exactly you interpretted it (or over-interpretted it) and how it was carried out. Either which, it's all something to digest, isn't it...
[23:58] <craysiii> dont know why i didnt think to remove it earlier lol
[23:58] <craysiii> (snapd)
[23:59] <kubunted> YankDownUnder: gotta have an iron stomack...i'm ready to puke or blast from the other end
[23:59] <Bashing-om> Well as "optional" we can always put it back at a later time if we want .
[23:59] <craysiii> im wondering if snapd was what was hanging my system, and not the drivers..


[01:52] <Hydrozii> hello everyone
[01:54] <Hydrozii> I just finished installing Xubuntu!
[01:55] <charlie-tca> Great!
[01:56] <Hydrozii> at first i wasn't sure if i liked xfce as much as gnome
[01:56] <Hydrozii> but now that i've customized it a little bit i think i will stay with it
[01:57] <charlie-tca> It takes a little getting used to. I think a lot of that is what you are used to.
[01:57] <Hydrozii> but is it okay if i ask so noob questions while i'm trying to get used to it?
[01:58] <charlie-tca> sure. If anyone here knows the answer, they will give one.
[01:58] <Hydrozii> okay, so when i am adding a launcher to the panel for a particular application... how do i know what the command to launch it is?
[01:59] <Hydrozii> for chromium it was chromium-browser... but what would it be for xchat?
[01:59] <Hydrozii> in ubuntu i would have probably gone to main menu and looked at the properties of the application
[02:00] <Venim> i'm trying to patch the fglrx driver as shown here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/642518
[02:01] <Venim> but apt-get source fglrx doesn't come back with anything
[02:07] <Hydrozii> yah i figured it out
[02:28] <Hydrozii> but seriously how do i figure out what the command is to launch a particular program
[02:47] <tikiking1> how do I setup Ubuntu one?
[02:48] <tikiking1> hello
[02:48] <tikiking1> ?
[02:48] <tikiking1>  anyone there
[02:48] <tikiking1> ?
[02:49] <tikiking1> 'm not a spambot, so stop blocking me
[02:49] <tikiking1> 5
[02:49] <tikiking1> how do i setup Ubuntu One?
[02:51] <tikiking1> how do i setup ubuntu one?
[02:52] <tikiking1> anyone there?
[02:55] <tikiking1> bye
[03:22] <charlie-tca> Hydrozii: I look in /usr/share/applications for the menu name, then right-click on it, left-click on Open With... and choose mousepad
[03:24] <charlie-tca> Hydrozii: Thanks for being patient. I was taking care of a baby :-)
[12:48] <ebahadir> hi everybody
[12:49] <ebahadir> can i ask a question again about my xubuntu installation
[12:59] <sgh> hi ebahadir, for sure you can
[13:00] <sgh> I'm not sure if I can answer it but if I can't anyone else will
[13:00] <sgh> it could just take longer in that case
[13:01] <ebahadir> okay. i will format my c drive with a program
[13:01] <ebahadir> i will have two partition with name c and d
[13:02] <ebahadir> i'll change my file system to ext4, after that i'll open computer with windows
[13:02] <ebahadir> in windows, can i setup xubuntu to ext4 partition
[13:02] <ebahadir> i have iso file and a flash drive
[13:03] <ebahadir> but i my computer cant boot with flash drive
[13:05] <sgh> Windows does not support ext4 :/
[13:05] <sgh> you'll need to install Windows first and create the partions you want (C and D)
[13:05] <sgh> then you need to install Xubuntu
[13:06] <sgh> you can either burn the .iso onto a CD or put it onto the flash drive, but I recommend the first methode if you can't the flash drive
[13:06] <sgh> *can't boot the flash drive
[13:06] <ebahadir> okay. Thanks for support.
[13:07] <ebahadir> i'll try now
[13:07] <sgh> no problem
[13:57] <coolguy4> I had xubuntu in a virtualbox... I had to restart X on the host due to running out of memory (Ctrl-Alt-Bksp) during a time in which xubuntu was installing via aptitude.... now when I try to load the xubuntu virtual machine it takes me to the session controller (I forget which one xubuntu uses)... I select my username and type my password. The screen (ie the vbox window) flashes a couple of times, then I'm returned to the session control s
[13:57] <coolguy4> creen. If I try to use a non valid account it says ;Authentication Failure'.... so there's something going on here... X is dying before it loads I think.... is there a way I can boot to a terminal in xubuntu? I can't use ctrl-alt-F1 because it runs on the host machine (though maybe I should check to see if I can force it to be sent to the vbox...)
[13:58] <charlie-tca> in virtualbox, normally, rt-ctrl+F1 should switch to a tty
[14:04] <coolguy4> charlie-tca: well, there you go... now how to figure out how to fix things...
[14:07] <charlie-tca> check your permissions in /home/USER ; make sure you as the USER own the files
[14:08] <charlie-tca> (at least the dot files
[15:57] <sagarchalise> Hi My login screen shows the resolution of 800 x 600 while I have my session set up to 1024x768 can anyone tell me how to configure gdm so that it uses the same resolution as my session ?
[18:15] <sagarchalise> can anyone tell me how to setup resolution for gdm ?
[18:19] <charlie-tca> sagarchalise: this helps - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[18:21] <sagarchalise> charlie-tca, its not total resolution problem but rather my login screen has low resolution than my sessions
[18:21] <sagarchalise> charlie-tca, my login screen displays in 800x600
[18:22] <charlie-tca> not so much to be done about that. Login is different
[20:55] <vic20gmr> all, im trying to figure out why thunar wont let me drag .wad files [for doom] to /usr/share/games/doom
[20:55] <vic20gmr> ive tried googling, and ubuntu forums, but no luck so far
[20:55] <vic20gmr> will some one help me?
[20:56] <Sysi> alt+f2: gksudo thunar
[20:56] <Sysi> check first if you have hidden files in home folder (ctrl h)
[20:56] <vic20gmr> i press alt+f2 after it is started?
[20:56] <Sysi> if you could put those files there
[20:58] <vic20gmr> i gess i have to start from term, thx
[21:50] <vic20gmr> that gkthunar solution worked for me btw, thanks again
[21:50] <vic20gmr> :)
[22:15] <charding> I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 and now volume buttons on my laptop do not work or show notifications. Know where I can start to look for fix?
[22:40] <pfifo> I am trying to write a script that mounts a file, allows a user to perform some actions, then umounts the file. I have a perfectly working copy of it already that calls nautilus to allow the user to do what they want. I tried simply replacing nautilus with thunar, but thunars behavior is to go into the background and then return back to the script (which then unmounts the directory) Is there a way to use thunar in a script so that it waits un
[22:40] <pfifo> til the window is closed before returning control to the script?
[23:19] <Hydrozii> hello
[23:20] <Hydrozii> i recently installed minecraft.jar
[23:20] <Hydrozii> and i cant figure out how to mark it as executable in xfce
[23:20] <FusionX> nice
[23:20] <Hydrozii> it was easy in gnome
[23:20] <Hydrozii> any idea how i can mark it as executable?
[23:21] <FusionX> Hydrozi use a launcherr
[23:21] <FusionX> *launcher
[23:21] <Hydrozii> so the command is just minecraft.jar?
[23:21] <FusionX> no
[23:21] <pfifo> Hydrozii, run 'chmod 0755 minecraft.jar' good luck getting it to run
[23:21] <Hydrozii> ill try it right now
[23:22] <FusionX> "java -jar "location/of/minecraft.jar"
[23:22] <FusionX> Hydrozii: ^ ^ ^
[23:24] <pfifo> how can I keep thunar from return control to the command line until the window is closed
[23:25] <Hydrozii> i still cant get it to run
[23:25] <pfifo> ok then, that idea is going straight to the recycle bin
[23:26] <FusionX> "java -jar "location/of/minecraft.jar"
[23:26] <FusionX> Hydrozii: ^ ^ ^
[23:26] <Sysi> you have java installed?
[23:26] <Hydrozii> yes
[23:26] <Sysi> FusionX: your quotes don't make sense
[23:26] <pfifo> what other file managers are available besides thunar and nautilus
[23:26] <Sysi> ""s
[23:27] <FusionX> oops
[23:27] <Sysi> pfifo: how does your scrip look like? (about)
[23:27] <FusionX> java -jar "location/of/minecraft.jar"
[23:27] <pfifo> Hydrozii, your entire effort is pretty much futile, Ive spent several hours trying to get minecraft running in linux with no success, I reccomment Windows or virtualbox
[23:28] <Hydrozii> i had it running perfectly in ubuntu yesterday
[23:28] <Sysi> i know several guys playing minecraft on linux
[23:28] <FusionX> pfifo: its posssible, i am able to run itt.
[23:28] <pfifo> Sysi, mount -o <stuff>; thunar /dir/to/stuff; umount <stuff;
[23:28] <FusionX> *it
[23:29] <Sysi> pfifo: what if you replace ;  with && ?
[23:29] <pfifo> Sysi, the umount command gets run prematurely cause thunar exits after being called
[23:29] <Hydrozii> in ubuntu there was an option to mark as executable under the properties of minecraft.jar
[23:29] <Sysi> pfifo: it shouldn't
[23:29] <Hydrozii> in xubuntu there is no option
[23:29] <pfifo> Sysi, no, thats just a single line version, there are no ; in my script cause i can use seprate lines
[23:29] <Sysi> Hydrozii: you can't right click and "run"?
[23:30] <Sysi> Hydrozii: try that commandline method
[23:30] <Hydrozii> no i get an error telling me its not marked as executable
[23:30] <Hydrozii> ill paste the error
[23:30] <Sysi> pfifo: i think you should have &&, it couls make that work
[23:30] <Sysi> i'm not sure
[23:31] <FusionX> just create a launcher with that command Hydrozii
[23:31] <Hydrozii> The file '/home/***/Downloads/Minecraft.jar' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied form an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[23:31] <pfifo> ill try, but not right now, my mom is playing farmvill and I cant get on
[23:31] <Hydrozii> with the command <java -jer "location/of/minecraft.jar">
[23:31] <FusionX> :/
[23:31] <Sysi> pfifo: no, seems not to work
[23:32] <Hydrozii> i tried that command and it doesn't do anything
[23:32] <FusionX> *-jar
[23:32] <Hydrozii> yah thats what i meant srry
[23:32] <Hydrozii> typo
[23:32] <Sysi> check path
[23:33] <FusionX> it does work if u havve java installed.
[23:33] <Sysi> propably /home/user/something
[23:33] <Hydrozii> it doesnt give me an error or anything
[23:33] <pfifo> Sysi, I was thinking it wouldn't thunar exits immedatly and runs the unmount, it needs to stay in the foreground
[23:33] <FusionX> *have
[23:33] <Hydrozii> yah im pretty sure i got the path right
[23:33] <Sysi> pfifo: sleep or something to the script?
[23:33] <Hydrozii> OpenJDK java 6 Runtime
[23:33] <Sysi> (i'm not very familiar with bash actually
[23:33] <Hydrozii> i have that installed
[23:34] <Sysi> if it doesn't say anything it should work
[23:34] <Hydrozii> no i click on the launcher and nothing at all happens
[23:34] <pfifo> No that wont work, im mounting an SD card here and the length of time that the contents need to be displayed could vary
[23:34] <Hydrozii> weird
[23:34] <FusionX> Hydrozii: cd to tthe directory where u have minecraft.jar and run "java -jar minecraft.jar"
[23:35] <Sysi> Hydrozii: it doesn't print anything on cli either?
[23:35] <Hydrozii> alright ill cd
[23:35] <Sysi> chmod a+x maybe worth a try
[23:36] <FusionX> yeah
[23:36] <Hydrozii> chmod a+x?
[23:36] <FusionX> yees
[23:36] <Hydrozii> as the command?
[23:36] <Hydrozii> cd doesnt work either btw
[23:37] <pfifo> FusionX, you should make a minecraft .deb if you got it working
[23:37] <Sysi> Hydrozii: "doesn't work"?
[23:37] <FusionX> im on XP currently
[23:37] <FusionX> later maybe
[23:38] <Hydrozii> yes i changed the directory to downloads.. where i downloaded it... and then changed the command to java -jar minecraft.jar
[23:38] <Hydrozii> also i tried the command java -jar "minecraft.jar"
[23:39] <FusionX> restart ur computer and try and run the command again
[23:39] <Hydrozii> alright i guess thats always an option
[23:39] <Hydrozii> brb
[23:41] <Hydrozii> no change
[23:42] <FusionX> when did u install java?
[23:43] <FusionX> Hydrozii
[23:44] <Hydrozii> like an hour ago
[23:44] <Sysi> what java do you exactly have?
[23:44] <Sysi> from default repositories?
[23:44] <FusionX> can u play minecraft online Hydrozii?
[23:45] <Hydrozii> no i cant
[23:45] <FusionX> IIF U KEEP GETTING A BLANK SCREEN ONLINE< U HAVE THE WRONG JAVA INSTALLED>
[23:46] <FusionX> oops
[23:46] <pfifo> wrong java>
[23:46] <Hydrozii> OpenJDK Java 6 Runtime
[23:46] <Hydrozii> thats the one i have now
[23:46] <Sysi> you need sun/oracle one
[23:46] <Hydrozii> i downloaded from the default repositories i believe
[23:47] <FusionX> Hydrozii did u use 'install missing plugins' in firefox?
[23:47] <Hydrozii> i use chromium
[23:48] <Hydrozii> so no...?
[23:48] <Sysi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Sun%20Java%20moved%20to%20the%20Partner%20repository
[23:48] <Sysi> you maybe should remove the other java
[23:48] <FusionX> Hydrozii how did u install java?
[23:48] <Hydrozii> ubuntu software center
[23:49] <Sysi> FusionX: he said from default repo, so it's wrong one
[23:49] <Hydrozii> oh
[23:49] <FusionX> yeah
[23:49] <Hydrozii> okay so how do i download it from the default repo
[23:49] <Hydrozii> ?
[23:49] <Sysi> check url i gave
[23:49] <Hydrozii> alright
[23:49] <Sysi> and as said you maybe should remove the other java
[23:52] <Hydrozii> so after adding the new repository and removeing old java
[23:52] <Hydrozii> i should just search for the sun java in the ubuntu software center?
[23:53] <FusionX> remove the other java and then follow those commands https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#Sun%20Java%20moved%20to%20the%20Partner%20repository
[23:53] <Sysi> after updating "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre" should work
[23:55] <FusionX> minecraft should work after that
[23:55] <FusionX> with the command
[23:56] <Hydrozii> ugh... well i thought i added the repository
[23:57] <Hydrozii> apt-get install isnt working right
[23:57] <Hydrozii> is there some way to specify the repository ?
[23:57] <Sysi> you did apt-get update?
[23:57] <Hydrozii> yes
[23:57] <Sysi> does it list that partner repository?
[23:58] <Sysi> i'm not exaxtly sure about package name
[23:58] <Hydrozii>  what is the partner repository called?
[23:58] <Sysi> partner
[23:59] <Hydrozii> no i guess not
[23:59] <Hydrozii> ill try the apt-add-repository again


[00:07] <ojwb> java steals code from PHP, or vice versa?
[00:09] <ajmitch> or they both use an underlying library
[00:17] <ojwb> wouldn't the java one be in java though?
[00:18] <ojwb> i'd imagine it's actually just the same algorithm
[00:18] <ojwb> and they've both made a slip implementing it
[00:18] <ajmitch> probably the same algorithm, the php one is implemented in C
[00:18]  * ojwb wonders what's wrong with strtod()
[00:19] <ajmitch> I imagine that the jvm could have those parts in native code rather than in bytecode
[00:19] <ajmitch> well the php issue was in zend_strtod() :)
[00:19] <ojwb> hmm, I guess parsing a string to a number might be a byte code op
[00:20] <ojwb> the main reason to avoid strtod() is in library code where someone may have changed the locale() settings
[00:20] <ojwb> assuming you don't want to follow them
[00:30] <ojwb> ah, it's due to excess precision in x87
[00:31] <ojwb> one of my pet hates already
[01:47] <snail> does the website in the topic of this channel fail for anyone else?
[01:47] <ajmitch> it should just redirect to the wiki, is it no longer?
[01:48] <ajmitch> I guess someone in canonical needs to fix up the DNS, they've got the domain
[01:51] <ajmitch> ibeardslee might have contact details in his secret leadership kit?
[01:52] <ibeardslee> .. I have a secret leadership kit?
[01:52] <ajmitch> I figured that you must have :)
[01:52] <ajmitch> I think emailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to put a ticket in might be the best option
[02:06] <mwhudson> noris.net ?
[02:09] <ajmitch> yes it looks like an isp or similar
[02:11] <mwhudson> strange
[02:20] <ajmitch> it's certainly not the only loco team domain registered there
[18:06] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:06] <ajmitch> morning
[18:51] <Atamira> mornin
[18:51] <Atamira> ooh..netsplits..dont ya just love those
[18:55] <snail> morning
[18:57] <ibeardslee> Atamira: netsplits > pants split
[18:57] <Atamira> lol
[18:57] <Atamira> true
[19:03] <snail> netsplits have a certain nostalgia value, I find.
[19:50] <thumper> morning
[19:51] <mwhudson_> morning
[20:53] <mwhudson_> anyone on vodafone with a nokia handset?
[21:12]  * ibeardslee had a 'non-smart' nokia on vodafone before he got his iPhone
[21:17]  * Atamira also has an older version before it was released in nz iphone
[21:28] <mwhudson_> i took a photo on the phone
[21:28] <mwhudson_> and i've lost the mms settings somewhere
[21:28] <mwhudson_> and the laptop i have here doesn't have bluetooth
[21:28] <mwhudson_> and i don't know where my micro-> full size sd card adapter is
[21:29]  * mwhudson_ feels vaguely victimized by technology
[21:30] <ibeardslee> ahhh
[21:30] <mwhudson_> it's not important, just a bit frustrating -- this should be trivial by now surely?
[21:31] <mwhudson_> oh well
[21:31] <ibeardslee> what phone model?
[21:31] <mwhudson_> e63
[21:33] <ibeardslee> MMS server address  http://pxt.vodafone.net.nz/pxtsend
[21:34] <thumper> mwhudson_: well my nexus one that I got at the end of last year is falling foul of the hardware problem of the on button
[21:34] <mwhudson_> thumper: :(
[21:34] <mwhudson_> is it not being repaired under warranty?
[21:34] <thumper> it will be, but 15 working days ways to go to auckland
[21:35] <ibeardslee> ouch
[21:35] <mwhudson_> speedy1
[21:35] <mwhudson_> !
[21:35] <thumper> vodafone aren't selling the nexus one any more
[21:35] <thumper> a google finds that this is a known problem, and in the US HTC have been replacing handsets
[21:35] <thumper> so not sure what is going to happen with this
[21:35] <ibeardslee> tell them you'll have a nexus s while you wait for the repair?
[21:36] <thumper> I did suggest that they could replace it for a nexus S
[21:36] <thumper> but they don't have any at all AFAIK
[21:36]  * ibeardslee is not sure of the nexus s
[21:36] <ibeardslee> the galaxy s seems better
[21:37] <ibeardslee> the nexus has the flash for the camera, the NFC and the latest android
[21:37] <ibeardslee> but has no memory expansion and a shorter (manufacturer spec) battery life
[21:38] <ibeardslee> if you consider the manufacturer is the same
[21:39] <thumper> really no memory expansion?
[21:39] <thumper> I find that surprising
[21:39] <ibeardslee> so did I
[21:43] <ibeardslee> http://www.t3.com/feature/google-nexus-s-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
[21:46] <ibeardslee> the flash would be handy
[21:47] <ibeardslee> the NFC isn't used in NZ yet .. although I saw a link to an android app that could start using it for some things .. dunno if it'd fit in NZ
[21:47] <ibeardslee> Gingerbread would be a 'nice to have'
[21:47] <ibeardslee> but the lack of expansion .. that has me balking at the nexus s
[21:49] <ibeardslee> although my iphone has 16GB .. so maybe not so much of an issue
[21:49] <ibeardslee> .. sigh
[21:50] <ibeardslee> speaking of samsung .. https://www.firstin.co.nz/products/samsung-galaxy-p1000-3g-tablet-4422/
[22:14] <thumper> heh: • Smaller form factor than the iPad making it infinitely more portable
[22:14] <thumper> infinitely...
[22:54] <hads> ibeardslee: Gingerbread introduces native SIP support, that's the big one.
[22:55] <hads> thumper: What is the problem with the Nexus?
[22:55] <ojwb> mmm ... gingerbread
[23:15] <snail> I love going to $remote_office with coworker only to find that with no techies in the building everything at $home_office blew up while we were on the bus and now nothing works...
[23:16] <snail> I'm also appalled by the level of reliability that librarians seem to accept as par for the course


[00:01] <s34n> Yoques: you boot up with now password?
[00:02] <s34n> s/now/no/
[00:02] <Yoques> :-?
[00:02] <s34n> Yoques: does your pc boot up?
[00:03] <Yoques> when I start, automatically enter after 3 seconds in first kernel, and enter directly to desktop
[00:03] <s34n> Yoques: graphical desktop, yes?
[00:04] <Yoques> yes
[00:04] <s34n> you wrote that your font is too big in "tty"
[00:04] <s34n> you mean in a terminal?
[00:05] <s34n> or do you mean in your graphical desktop?
[00:07] <Yoques> in "tty"
[00:08] <s34n> Yoques: what do you mean by that?
[00:10] <Yoques> ... Don't understand
[00:10] <Yoques> why it succes?
[00:10] <Yoques> why i need?
[00:10] <s34n> Yoques: "tty" means terminal?
[00:11] <Yoques> yes
[00:11] <s34n> gnome-terminal?
[00:11] <Yoques> no
[00:11] <Yoques> control alt Fx
[00:11] <s34n> Yoques: don't do that
[00:11] <Yoques> why?
[00:12] <s34n> Yoques: if you want a command line, open gnome-terminal
[00:13] <Yoques> someone time the sistem fall down, and only can resolve someone problem with control alt F1, F2
[00:13] <s34n> gnome-terminal will be just another app running under X and manageable as such
[00:13] <s34n> Yoques: are you resolving a system failture? or just regular use?
[00:13]  * s34n shakes head
[00:14] <Yoques> too a regular use
[00:14] <s34n> I just realized we are talking xubuntu--no gnome
[00:14] <Yoques> I like w3m like a ultra-plus... :D
[00:14] <s34n> Yoques: forget gnome-terminal. use xterm, or whatever you get in the Xfce desktop
[00:15] <Yoques> the problem is to before today, I have it correct, all was to my preferds options
[00:16] <Yoques> but today I made a dist-upgrade (mistake, I know) and now it don't works correctly
[00:16] <Yoques> but I know that's possible
[00:16] <s34n> Yoques: use xterm inside X, not ctl+alt+f? virtual consoles
[00:16] <Yoques> why?
[00:17] <s34n> Yoques: because then it will be a well-behaved X citizen
[00:17] <s34n> you can manage it, configure it, etc.
[00:40] <Yoques> :S
[00:40] <Yoques> then, no-one possibility to resolve my problem?
[00:42] <Cygnet> Yoques, if no one's answering you in here, try #ubuntu, it gets more traffic
[00:42] <Yoques> OK
[00:48] <Cygnet> I got my nvidia card working and successfully booted xubuntu and reconfigured xserver-xorg but now when I try to startx it goes to the xfce loading screen (with the flashing mouse) and gets stuck there
[00:49] <Cygnet> the mouse stops flashing and it doesn't finish logging in
[02:12] <Ahmuck> what does LVM do ?
[02:12] <Ahmuck> does it auto adust, or must one manually adjust?
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> Hi, I'm looking for ways to tweak Xubuntu.  I have a default install that boots and runs reasonably okay on a P3 (500MHz) with 512 MB of RAM, but a) it could be faster, and b) I have two other computers to do, that have lower specs.
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> The second is a P2 (250-350 MHz I think), but also with 512 MB RAM (I got a box of RAM that happened to fit these two), the third is from the Bronze Age.
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> Well, 1990, but close enough.
[02:53] <Ahmuck> tonyyarusso: i tried xubuntu on that as well on lowerend machines, but moved to a differen *buntu desktop that worked well in low mem/proc configurations
[02:53] <tonyyarusso> Ahmuck: Flux?
[02:53] <Ahmuck> E
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> Ah.  16 or 17?
[02:54] <Ahmuck> 17
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> good choice
[02:54] <Ahmuck> ubuntu server, xserver-xorg, and e17
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> I like E, but I don't think it's most appropriate for this case.
[02:54] <Ahmuck> it's about as stripped down as you can get at that point
[02:54] <Ahmuck> i actually enjoyed e
[02:55] <tonyyarusso> These are donated machines that will be either given away or sold at very low cose to low-income families through a charity thrift store, so I need something that's a) stable, and b) very, very intuitive (many have never had a computer before)
[02:55] <Ahmuck> i have not tried fluxbuntu on that lower end machine.  i tried it in a vm and am going to wait until it becomes more polished, however it may come in below e for sys requirements
[02:56] <Ahmuck> tonyyarusso: yes, that is what i have been doing for the last two weeks as well.  picked up 10 ~500Mhz and 128Mb ram for 1.00/machine
[02:56] <Ahmuck> what they are great at is web servers
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> Very true.  I doubt a web server is going to be much help for the kid that just needs to do his homework though :P
[02:57] <Ahmuck> heh.  i installed scribus, oo.o writer, and firefox.  at 64mb ram.  it was a challenge, but it did work, though i don't know if i would donate something that low mem
[04:11] <NullName> Anyone know an easy way to use an ssh client with an http proxy?
[04:12] <NullName> OR does anyone know the correct room for me to ask this?
[04:42] <newbieee> is monodevelop works in 256mb ram and in xubuntu?
[04:42] <EdWarbucker> Ok, I could use a hand in getting the Forward and Back buttons to work on my Microsoft Intellimouse Optical.  I followed the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons but the only thing that did is disable my scrollwheel...
[04:48] <XwarlokX82> EdWarbucker, you aren't the only one... i didn't realize just how valuable those buttons were till i had to do without em.
[04:50] <EdWarbucker> Yeah, for so many years I happily ran my mouse cursor up to click on the back button and never thought about it.  But now, every trip up there seems to take an eternity... :)
[04:51] <newbieee> is monodevelop works in 256mb ram and in xubuntu?
[05:09] <newbieee> i think all 69 ppl are sleeping here..;)
[05:10] <web_knows> yeah
[05:10] <web_knows> and i think you're right
[05:20] <jjmiv> yo
[05:21] <EdWarbucker> Arg, well, that didn't work either, though at least my scrollwheel works again now.  Is anybody available yet to assist with getting my Forward and Back buttons working on my MS Intellimouse Optical?
[06:48] <VVelox> Any suggestions for wireless connection managers?
[07:17] <William> finaly
[07:17] <William> my firewall was blocking irc and vpn, so I ended up turning it off
[07:19] <William> I am installing xubuntu on an old hp and don't see the menu bars, anyone know the shortcut for the programs menu?
[07:23] <William> nickserv
[07:27] <NullName> HELP!   I've tried using wireshark, but was wondering if I could monitor a file or something from /dev?  Where is my wireless card running?  How can I view exactly what is going on behind the scenes?
[07:29] <NullName> bummer
[07:37] <newbieee> how do i get my panel back...
[07:38] <newbieee> by mistacally i deleted that from system manager
[07:50] <scizzo-> newbieee: think I manage to do that once also
[07:53] <newbieee> how should i do this?
[08:46] <mikubuntu> does anybody know if the cnr software program works with xubuntu?  i have it on my ubuntu machine, but i want to reccomend to my friend that runs x ...
[10:27] <gerro> I noticed something odd about xfce4-panel while browsing the web
[10:27] <gerro> it seems if there is a picture in the browser and I drag it over to the bar then take it away the bar dissappears and I can move it in and out and the bar goes in and out then it stays down so I have to customize panel to get the bar to come up
[10:28] <gerro> hmm maybe I should make a video of this...
[15:27] <redwyrm> hi
[15:28] <redwyrm> does the window manager (xfwm) in Xubuntu 7.10 have a good "Run" command?
[15:28] <redwyrm> like, does it use tabbing similar to the way bash uses it?
[15:29] <redwyrm> actually, wait, it's not the window manager. it's probably some other xfce component
[15:29] <redwyrm> because I switched to the ion window manager, and I think it sucks _except_ for its Run command
[15:58] <garuhhh> am installing xubuntu 7.10, it always hangs at the part when detecting CD-ROM,,any idea what's the problem?
[16:11] <gerro> !xgl
[16:11] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[16:11] <gerro> don't really care for compiz or any fancy eye candy just interested in the xgl performance benefits..
[16:11] <gerro> anyone know where I can find more about that?
[16:13] <sgronblo> Hey, running this eeeXubuntu on my new eee PC. I installed  ubuntu-restricted-extras when trying to get youtube to play videos. But it didn't help, so I've tried uninstalling/re-installing both firefox and flashplugin-nonfree. But firefox keeps saying that I don
[16:13] <garuhhh> gerro: if imay ask.. what's a XGL?
[16:13] <sgronblo> t have flash.
[16:13] <gerro> garuhhh: xgl uses video card more so when doing 2d apps and other things
[16:13] <gerro> garuhhh: its an alternative to xorg meant to surpass it in the future
[16:14] <gerro> it used to be the only way to have fancy apps for your desktop until xorg caught up a bit
[16:15] <gerro> I installed it but nothing is happening and I think I'm still using xorg I'm afraid to reboot....
[16:15] <garuhhh> gerro: wow! haven't heard of that...am really new to linux :D
[16:18] <gerro> garuhhh: I think I have to edit some scripts to get it working like I did before. It has a few problems with shading and other things might make certain games crash but overall is a lot more speedier
[16:19] <gerro> garuhhh: you any good with proftpd or lighttpd?
[16:19] <garuhhh> gerro: speedier??? hmmm.. that's what i need..
[16:19] <garuhhh> gerro: ooopss..haven't heard of them. what are they?
[16:20] <gerro> garuhhh: ftp and http stuff like the name implies trying to setup some web stuff for a few friends
[16:20] <garuhhh> gerro: am not really quite of help here :D
[16:20] <gerro> garuhhh: what sort of system you got?
[16:21] <garuhhh> gerro: oh.. i see.. ddin't notice the http, and ftp letters:D
[16:21] <garuhhh> gerro: naaaah.. all i have is an AMD k6-2..
[16:21] <garuhhh> gerro: was on ubuntu, but i was trying xubuntu..
[16:22] <garuhhh> gerro: then i encountered this weird "hanging" when detecting CDrom (during installation)
[16:22] <gerro> yeah
[16:22] <gerro> unplug ethernet when you install that doesn't happen
[16:22] <garuhhh> gerro: 500MHz cpu, 256MB ram, 16MB vcard.. quite old!
[16:22] <gerro> its towards the end of install right?
[16:22] <garuhhh> gerro: actually, i don't have a lan card installed
[16:22] <gerro> wireless?
[16:23] <garuhhh> gerro: nope,, it's at the start
[16:23] <gerro> odd
[16:23] <garuhhh> gerro: it's alternative cd, by the way..
[16:23] <gerro> what vid card is that?
[16:23] <garuhhh> gerro: i tried the livecd, it went well, but during installation,the same case
[16:23] <gerro> remove the hard drive and install it using the computer your on now
[16:24] <gerro> just be sure your current hard drive isn't still in else will mess up the bootloader on it
[16:24] <garuhhh> gerro: the box said, it's a RIVA tnt2 m64, but every OS i install says its an SIS (weird vcard)
[16:24] <gerro> oh intel right?
[16:24] <gerro> there was a posting I read some where about that
[16:24] <garuhhh> gerro: nope...not an intel..
[16:24] <gerro> ah I must be thinking mirage one
[16:25] <gerro> does it have a tv tuner?
[16:25] <garuhhh> gerro: nope. no tv tuner
[16:26] <garuhhh> gerro: in windows, if the vcard drivers are installed a 32MB card is reported, without the provided drivers installed it's only 16mb
[16:26] <gerro> glxinfo | grep direct?
[16:26] <garuhhh> gerro: well anyway, it's still in the text mode when it hangs..
[16:27] <garuhhh> gerro: when i was in ubuntu, yep i was in direct rendering
[16:27] <gerro> kk just checking cause some guy back in february had issue with it on forums
[16:28] <garuhhh> gerro: even at ubuntu, it says SiS card...
[16:28] <gerro> so?
[16:28] <garuhhh> gerro: as far as iknow,it's not an SIS, it's an nvidia, even a sticker on the board says it's a RIVA TNt2 m64
[16:28] <gerro> but is it working?
[16:29] <garuhhh> gerro: yep working at 16mb memory, but it's supposed to be 32..
[16:29] <garuhhh> gerro: weird eh?
[16:29] <gerro> I've had that issue with an ati card
[16:29] <gerro> anyway if its an older computer might want to update its bios
[16:29] <garuhhh> gerro: what was the culprit?
[16:30] <gerro> I have no clue I never fixed it
[16:30] <garuhhh> gerro: i already used 2 mobos, and results are the same...
[16:30] <garuhhh> gerro: hehe.. you trashed the ati?
[16:31] <gerro> yeah it sucked pretty hard, I couldn't log out and had to keep restarting it to switch users, ctrl alt backspace crashed it and couldn't run in anything but 24 color mode
[16:31] <garuhhh> gerro: well, me, too,got tired with my videocard, i leard to live with it like that :D
[16:31] <gerro> I mean the driver said it was made in 2001
[16:32] <garuhhh> gerro: oh... in one forum said, ati's are not so good at OPENGL support...that's what linux uses!
[16:32] <gerro> garuhhh: if you want a few tips you might want to try blackbox on that machine http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=125084 with slim instead of gdm
[16:32] <garuhhh> gerro: they said, that if you're planning on using linux, asmuchas possible, stay away from ati..that's what they said
[16:32] <gerro> turn it down to 16 color in xorg too help it a bit
[16:33]  * gerro mumbles and compaq laptops those demonic toasters
[16:34] <redwyrm> "demonic toaster" haha.... that's a pretty apt description of my computer :/
[16:34] <redwyrm> laptop*
[16:34] <garuhhh> gerro: i really can't afford "cool" desktops right now...  am on the speed side..
[16:34] <gerro> well my little bro got this discounted floor model laptop it probably had alot of milage and perhaps did get that amd bios virus thingy I heard about *cringe* but whole system died
[16:36] <gerro> garuhhh: your box sounds really nice
[16:36] <garuhhh> gerro: anyway,how do i turn off the installation of the module: ide floppy?
[16:36] <garuhhh> gerro: me? nice? lol
[16:36] <gerro> garuhhh: you mean remove floppy support?
[16:36] <redwyrm> gerro, wait, what? a _BIOS_ virus?
[16:36]  * redwyrm shudders
[16:36] <garuhhh> gerro: it's quite old?!
[16:36] <garuhhh> gerro: yes..maybesomething like that... in installation proper..
[16:37] <garuhhh> gerro: like an installation parameter...
[16:37] <garuhhh> gerro: or at least specify what my cdrom is, so it won't scan and probe for what hardware i have..
[16:37] <gerro> garuhhh: if you want to remove floppy support you'd have to recompile the kernel or like remove its module
[16:37] <gerro> rmmod it some how
[16:37] <gerro> lsmod should show it
[16:37] <garuhhh> gerro: but haven't installed linux yet..
[16:38] <garuhhh> gerro: am still installing when it hangs during cdrom detection
[16:38] <gerro> ohhh
[16:38] <gerro> I had that problem before!
[16:38] <garuhhh> gerro: really? how'd you solve it?
[16:38] <gerro> but I couldn't boot live cd or use alternate cd
[16:38] <garuhhh> gerro: that never happened tome in 7.04
[16:38] <gerro> and the usb was 1.0 and didn't feel like messing with usb install
[16:39] <gerro> I ended up running instlux through the old os that was on it
[16:39] <gerro> got 6.06 ubuntu on there
[16:39] <garuhhh> gerro: so am stuck with 7.04?
[16:39] <gerro> I doubt it
[16:39] <garuhhh> gerro: :(
[16:39] <gerro> you said you can use the livecd right?
[16:39] <garuhhh> gerro: yep!
[16:39] <gerro> then why doesn't alternate work?
[16:40] <garuhhh> gerro: i can... but if i install the livecd on the hdisk, ithangs in the same spot.
[16:40] <gerro> perhaps you have a floppy in the drive? that messing up detection?
[16:40] <garuhhh> gerro: duringthe installation of themodule : ide floppy
[16:40] <garuhhh> gerro: no floppy, even turned off my floppy in the BIOS
[16:41] <gerro> that's booting from the floppy right? that shouldn't matter
[16:41] <garuhhh> gerro: nope, boot from cdrom
[16:41] <gerro> look it doesn't really matter cause you said that computer has no network connection yet you have a net connection now right
[16:41] <gerro> use computer your on now to format and install to the others hard drive
[16:41] <gerro> then just reconfigure xorg
[16:41] <garuhhh> gerro: am not sure why it even scans formy cdrom.. yet i booted right frommy cd!
[16:42] <garuhhh> gerro: am on a friend's pc, can't do anything on her pc...she uses it alot..
[16:43] <gerro> you don't even have to hook your hard drive up to her pc just run an ide cable between it and the other hard drive with her hdd unplugged
[16:43] <garuhhh> gerro: won't it have any issue with the hardware if i installed it on other pc, then use the OS on mine?
[16:43] <gerro> not at all just will need to know what size monitor and what video card
[16:43] <gerro> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server should take care of that though
[16:43] <garuhhh> gerro: oh.. i see..
[16:44] <gerro> I would have done that to the laptop but its hard drive was too small and hard to get out think it was super glued
[16:45] <garuhhh> gerro: i think an iso install would work on that laptop..
[16:45] <gerro> the whole reason it had a problem with cdrom was that it could slide out and switch between cdrom and floppy
[16:46] <gerro> was weird...
[16:48] <garuhhh> gerro: oh.. i've seen one of those before
[16:52] <gerro> garuhhh: want to buy one? damn friend left it over house and still won't take it back too hyped about this ps3
[16:52] <garuhhh> gerro: oh yeah?! what's the specs?
[16:53] <gerro> garuhhh: hmm think its 1.6ghz and 512mb mem some old nvidia
[16:53] <gerro> I got this belkin wireless usb device I was going to pop the hood and see if I can solder it to the thing
[16:53] <garuhhh> gerro: wow! that's good enough forme, i'll be interested inanything higher than 500MHz! :d
[16:53] <gerro> because it doesn't have wireless in it
[16:54] <garuhhh> gerro: naaah... don't need wireless now..so it won't hurt me :D
[16:55] <garuhhh> gerro: am really in need of a higher specs pc..
[16:55] <garuhhh> gerro: atleast in terms of cpu and vcard.
[16:55] <gerro> just plug it into a cellphone or someone elses wireless lappy heck even use a ds gameboy to get wireless
[16:55] <gerro> so its all good
[16:56] <gerro> garuhhh: try /join #garuhhh
[16:57] <garuhhh> gerro: didn't get that...
[16:57] <gerro> garuhhh: just type it
[17:43] <gerro> any idea why task list of firefox has the icon transparent if its minimized?
[17:44] <gerro> oh nvm pidgin wasn't minimized that why it wasn't the same
[17:44] <gerro> everything looks odd with this panel size :/
[18:48] <billy_idle> CU :)
[18:48] <billy_idle> Merry Xmas :D
[19:00] <atarinox> hi, i'm having a problem w/ gutsy...I just installed and everytime I try to adjust network settings everything locks up and I have to do a hard reset...
[19:00] <atarinox> anybody have an idea of what's going on?
[19:03] <redwyrm> atarinox, you could try asking in #ubuntu :/
[19:06] <atarinox> well is the upgrade from feisty really worthwhile?
[19:07] <atarinox> I was actually thinking of going back to edgy, seemed like that was the most stable on my box
[19:28] <Maconga> When I Open the Terminal the computer restarts. How can i stop this ?
[19:34] <redwyrm> Maconga, what happens when you do a Run Command?
[19:34] <redwyrm> and type in "xfterm4"
[19:35] <Maconga> how do i do a run command, I'm new to Ubunto
[19:36] <redwyrm> Maconga, hold on, I need to start up my Xubuntu session
[19:36] <Maconga> ok
[19:37] <redwyrm> (I'm not using the normal desktop right now)
[19:38] <Maconga> It's been happening since i installed from the cd, I updated everything and it still restarts my computer when i try to open Terminal
[19:38] <ere4si> alt-F2 will get the run dialog box :)
[19:39] <Maconga> ok
[19:42] <Maconga> now that i got the Run Program open, how do i install "jre-6u3-linux-i586-rpm.bin" ?
[19:43] <redwyrm> ere4si, lol, after all that work, I couldn't find a menu item for that, and I forgot the keyboard command (if I even knew it in the first place!)
[19:45] <ere4si> Maconga: what happens when you type xfterm4 in the run box?
[19:45] <Maconga> I dont know, ill try that now
[19:45] <ere4si> k
[19:45] <Maconga> Select the Run in terminal box ?
[19:46] <ere4si> yep
[19:49] <Maconga> That just restarted my computer ....
[19:49] <redwyrm> Maconga, what about xterm?
[19:49] <redwyrm> type that (no "f" or "4" in the command name)
[19:50] <Maconga> Do i select "run in terminal" ?
[19:50] <redwyrm> no
[19:50] <redwyrm> don't select that
[19:50] <redwyrm> or keep it unchecked if it's checked right now
[19:51] <Maconga> ok... i got a Program open "jj@jj~desktop: ~"
[19:51] <redwyrm> awesome
[19:51] <redwyrm> so that narrows it down a bit
[19:52] <redwyrm> and you have a bare-bones terminal until the problem is totally fixed
[19:52] <Maconga> ok
[19:52] <redwyrm> bbl
[19:53] <Maconga> bbl ?
[19:53] <redwyrm> be back later
[19:53] <Maconga> ok
[19:53] <redwyrm> as in, I'm going to do stuff in the real world :)
[19:53] <Maconga> ok c ya later
[19:54] <Maconga> how do i install this "jre-6u3-linux-i586-rpm.bin"  ?
[19:57] <ere4si> Maconga: ubuntu's don't use rpm  packages - you need a deb - it's java yes?
[19:57] <Maconga> yes java
[19:57] <Maconga> su
[19:58] <Maconga> sorry, wrong window^^
[19:58] <ere4si> Maconga: there should be a package for that in synaptic
[19:58] <ere4si> !java
[19:58] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[20:05] <Maconga> I'm totally lost right now
[20:18] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:18] <Maconga> hi
[20:18] <Ben_Cs> how are you?
[20:18] <Maconga> fine, trying to get java too work
[20:18] <Maconga> downloading right now
[20:19] <Ben_Cs> good luck
[20:19] <Ben_Cs> btw, are you experiensing any slowness sometimes in xfce?
[20:20] <Maconga> i dont know, iv only been using xubuntu for 2 days now ....
[20:25] <Ben_Cs> ok
[21:01] <Maconga> I have a problem, I just ran out of hard drive space, and i cant delete anything
[21:02] <Maconga> There was an error moving "j2sdk-1_4_2-doc.zip" to "Trash":
[21:02] <Maconga> Failed to copy "/home/jj/Desktop/j2sdk-1_4_2-doc.zip" to "trash:///j2sdk-1_4_2-doc.zip": Error creating directory '/home/jj/.local/share/Trash/info': No space left on device
[21:32] <Maconga> Is there a way too search for files ?