[22:55]  * matti pokes AlanBell
[22:56]  * AlanBell is duely poked
[22:56] <AlanBell> pleia2: ping
[22:57] <pleia2> AlanBell: pong
[22:57] <AlanBell> matti was doing an appdev week talk and somewhat ran over by an hour or two
[22:57] <AlanBell> and was thinking of doing more of a series of classes on Ruby
[22:58] <pleia2> that'd be great


[13:28]  * smkellat needs to stop trashing his system in failed attempts to upgrade to eoan
[13:29] <smkellat> Does anybody have an after-action report that they would like to offer concerning OLF 2019?


[02:33] <Logan_> hey infinity, are you around to fix a couple more ppc64el packages manually? :P
[02:33] <Logan_> specifically, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-ugly0.10/0.10.19-2ubuntu1 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-ugly1.0/1.2.2-1ubuntu1 are both failing, even with an autoreconf
[02:38] <xnox> Logan_: well, despite running dh_autoreconf it didn't run libtoolize.
[02:38] <Logan_> and why
[02:38] <xnox> Logan_: (no lines with libtoolize: jibberish)
[02:38] <xnox> Logan_: and checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/bin/ld -m elf64ppc) supports shared libraries... no
[02:38] <Logan_> but why didn't it run libtoolize?
[02:39] <xnox> Logan_: because autoreconf decided not to run libtool, as it doesn't blindly do it, but rather tries to detect if a particular tool is used and only then updates stuff....
[02:39] <xnox> Logan_: i wish I knew why autoreconf is so careful =)
[02:39] <Logan_> is there any way to force a libtoolize using dh_autoreconf without using a script?
[02:41] <xnox> Logan_: first of all the ltmain.sh patch should be dropped, and instead --as-needed autoreconf option should be used... lets see what else.
[02:45] <xnox> Logan_: test-building a fix here.
[02:45] <Logan_> great, thanks!
[02:45] <Logan_> feel free to upload if you find a fix
[02:48] <xnox> Logan_: something like that - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6688530/
[02:49] <xnox> Logan_: uploaded that. let's see if it builds.
[03:08] <xnox> Logan_: that worked.
[03:34] <cjwatson> sbeattie: It's almost certainly a bug if a package tries to use /usr/bin/libtool (libtool-bin's only useful content) at build time.  Only a handful of packages with broken build systems do that.  You're meant to have your configure script generate a libtool script in your build tree at build time.
[03:36] <cjwatson> sbeattie: cf. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682045
[03:37] <cjwatson> (we seem to have a different solution than advocated at the end there, but it still has the basic rationale for why no build ought to need /usr/bin/libtool)
[05:47] <Logan_> xnox: beautiful, thank you
[05:52] <sbeattie> cjwatson: yeah, I realized that. It's a bug in an ancient copy-n-wasted script. I'm fixing it upstream.
[10:35] <vrga> 'lo folks, i'm using a ubuntu core 13.10 rootfs for fiddling with my arm tablet.
[10:36] <vrga> due to some obvious issues, i need to install some packages from a chroot before i can run the thing natively.
[10:36] <vrga> i got the chroot to run through qemu-user and stuff, but apparently it has no network connectivity to the outside world.
[10:36] <vrga> or at least, thats what running apt-get update indicates.
[10:37] <vrga> so, erm, i'm kinda stuck for the moment.
[10:41] <Fudge> hi, cpufreqd bug #11621q60 has a simple work around but wondering if it can be fixed in the package for trusty before a freeze takes place? the same version from raring is in trusty 2.4.2-2
[10:42] <vrga> kill me. just needed resolv.conf
[10:42] <Fudge> #1162160 should I say
[10:44] <maxiaojun> Fudge: an 'outsider' here, I guess you should try contacting the debian maintainer as cpufreqd is a universe package?
[10:44] <maxiaojun> http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cpufreqd.html
[10:45] <Fudge> oh right, thanks maxiaojun  had not considered that :D
[10:48] <infinity> Fudge: Also, the "workaround" is silly, when there's an actual upstream patch to fix the real bug.
[10:48] <Fudge> still in git ?
[10:50] <infinity> Fudge: Yeah, I'll just pull the git patch and test it now.
[10:50] <Fudge> :)
[10:51] <maxiaojun> where is the upstream git?
[10:53] <infinity> Looks to be mirrored a few places, but I yanked the patch from http://git.taihen.jp/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=cpufreqd.git;a=patch;h=b5b23525edcc09898288360c48e92b4a6c9cb0ee
[10:53] <infinity> Anyhow, building now, will test the binary and upload in a second.
[10:54] <Fudge> you can find stuff faster than me :D
[10:54] <tkamppeter> OdyX, thank you very much, I will look into this soon.
[10:54] <infinity> Fudge: It was referenced in the bug report. :P
[10:54] <Fudge> thats what I thought, but my FF is being a bit strange at the moment, only just switched to Trusty and its a bit flakey with Orca for some reason
[10:55] <infinity> Uploaded to trusty.
[10:56] <Fudge> nice
[11:02] <infinity> Fudge: And forwarded to Debian for completeness (since it's probably irresponsible to fix a buffer overflow locally without pushing it to them).
[11:03] <Fudge> infinity:  thanks so much for jumping on that so fast mate
[11:03] <infinity> NP.
[11:04] <Fudge> now how can I get my 4 workspaces to go loL
[11:11] <maxiaojun> Fudge: you mean the workspace icon in launcher?
[11:12] <Fudge> maxiaojun:  it is not there
[11:12] <maxiaojun> you want it to be there?
[11:14] <Fudge> maxiaojun:  I read that in system preferences, appearance, behaviour you can set the 2x2 grid for workspaces which is what I want, I use keyboard shortcuts to move around workspaces. but the behaviour screen is not completely intuative to me with Orca. I see some settings have been changed by an external program, hit the button and have something saying left, top left, etc and a slider with 0.2 through to 8.0. But do not understand
[11:15] <maxiaojun> ok, i do not know a bit about Orca :(
[11:16] <Fudge> it is just some of the information on the screen that is not being read, is that where the collum/rows are configured?
[11:16] <infinity> Fudge: In unity, a 2x2 grid would be the default anyway.
[11:17] <Fudge> mm, maybe the shortcut is not set then, let me look there instead
[11:17] <tkamppeter> OdyX, I have synced CUPS now.
[11:18] <infinity> Fudge: The slider orca's reading to you is a slider for launcher reveal sensitivity.  There's nothing to select grid size (it defaults to 2x2, and can only be changed by deeper settings abuse, like ccsm)
[11:18] <infinity> Fudge: In that system settings panel you're on, there's a tickbox for "Enable workspaces".  If that's off, you'd be gridless.
[11:19] <OdyX> tkamppeter: cool.
[11:19] <Fudge> infinity:  thank yo uso much, that is a very clear explanation, I'll see if those items can present themselves a bit better maybe with TheMuso
[11:19] <infinity> Fudge: Also, if Orca's failing to read the label on that "Reveal sensitivity" thing, please file a bug against Unity for labelling it in a non-friendly manner. :/
[11:20] <infinity> (Or bug TheMuso, sure) :)
[11:22]  * infinity misses the days of text-only UNIX and braille terminals, it was so much harder to fuck that up.
[11:23] <Fudge> :D I hear ya bud, I use console a lot, speech is so fast and responsive for me
[11:25] <maxiaojun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1164252
[11:26] <maxiaojun> filed just before 13.04 release, forgot during 13.10 cycle, hope that i won't forget it again
[11:29] <Fudge> oops
[11:43] <Fudge> strange, totems desktop file has name Videos, I just changed  mine back to Movie Player how I like it.
[12:02] <tester56> is it possible with ubuntuone to sync only changes of a truecrypt container, so that the container does not have to be uploaded every time?
[12:20] <maxiaojun> Fudge: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1108977
[12:20] <sladen> tester56: u1sync would need to understand the internal structure first
[12:20] <sladen> tester56: file a feature request
[12:23] <maxiaojun> Fudge: https://git.gnome.org/browse/totem/commit/data/totem.desktop.in.in.in?id=9dc401b1213aa9fec2f5274d0e6cb8dcefba486f
[12:25] <tester56> sladen: that measn: currently not supported?
[12:26] <sladen> tester56: correct (to the best of my knowledge), but I would suggest Googling
[12:27] <sladen> tester56: to see whether there are any other similiar requests/work being done
[12:27] <tester56> sladen: googling does not lead to any valueable information in this case (at least I was not able to get valueable information, that is actual)
[12:27] <sladen> tester56: make sure that the request regarding truecrypt container is recorded in Launchpad somewhere
[12:28] <sladen> tester56: and then the next person will hopefully find it, and dicussion can be focused in one place
[12:40] <tester56> sladen: done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-filesync/+bug/1266021
[13:07] <mitya57> doko: I think jtaylor was looking at nee numpy, maybe he was looking at scipy as well
[13:08] <mitya57> doko__: having a scipy built for 3.4 will indeed fix some other packages
[13:09] <mitya57> My pandas upload anyway FTBFS on powerpc because statsmodels didn't build there, I've pinged yoh about that
[13:09] <jtaylor> I'm almost done with numpy
[13:09] <jtaylor> then scipy can be synced
[13:09] <mitya57> Great!
[13:09] <mitya57> ... The pandas can be put in sync as well
[13:10] <jtaylor> pandas will get a new update soon
[13:10] <jtaylor> required for new scipy
[13:13] <mitya57> I thought pandas depends on scipy, not vice versa
[13:47] <jtaylor> yes but scipy breaks it
[13:47] <jtaylor> 0.13
[14:04] <infinity> jtaylor: Hrm?  What needed doing with numpy?  Didn't I already upload that for 3.4 support?
[14:04] <jtaylor> new upstream
[14:05] <infinity> Ahh, fair enough.
[14:11] <OdyX> tkamppeter: Any opposition to switch cups to openssl (instead of GnuTLS) ? (See #714492)
[14:14] <OdyX> tkamppeter: also; has the colord-per-queue patch been submitted to cups.org ?
[14:56] <sladen> tester56: excellent!
[15:18] <maxiaojun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1164252
[15:18] <maxiaojun> anyone?
[15:24] <OdyX> tkamppeter: uploaded 1.7.0-2 fwiw
[15:36] <tkamppeter> OdyX, have you seen that the bug tracker on cups.org is back? So you can report all bug fixes which are now domne by distro patches upstream.
[15:38] <OdyX> tkamppeter: yeah, saw it; I begun to report some.
[15:39] <OdyX> tkamppeter: but each one his owns; the colord is more yours than mine: :-)
[18:19] <jtaylor> hm the python3.4-dbg debug symbols do not match the source
[18:20] <jtaylor> how can that be?
[18:22] <doko> ?
[18:22] <jtaylor> the line numbers are off
[18:25] <doko> strange
[18:36] <TJ-> which package contains the UEFI "/EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.EFI" firmware image installed to the ISOs, or generates it?
[18:51] <doko> jtaylor, were you working on a new cffi upload?
[18:53] <jtaylor> no zmq
[19:04] <stgraber> TJ-: on current (secureboot enabled) images, that'd be shim-signed
[19:08] <TJ-> stgraber: So, is "BOOTx64.EFI" a generate or renamed file from the shim* packages? I'm having 'issues' and trying to figure out where the files originate
[19:15] <TJ-> I've looked for mentions of "bootx64" in live-build, livecd-rootfs, shim and shim-signed so far. There's one mention in shim/shim.c where it tries to get the image from the UEFI itself. Not clear yet how it gets onto the liveCD image though
[19:20] <stgraber> TJ-: it's a copy of the signed shim.efi
[19:22] <TJ-> stgraber: OK, so some script is renaming it to that expect by the EFI simple file-system protocol?
[19:23] <TJ-> s/expect/expected/
[19:45] <xnox> TJ-: correct, the path for removable devices UEFI firmware.
.EFI
[20:00] <TJ-> xnox: Yeah, I've been working with the OVMF and qemu to test out ways of recovering a physical system that has become confused
[20:01] <xnox> TJ-: well there is a packaged version of OVMF and extensive guides on working with it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot
[20:02] <xnox> TJ-: i found that OVMF can be easily confused and it doesn't have persistent storage beyond the lifecycle of the VM.
[20:02] <xnox> (e.g. for secureboot keys, etc)
[20:02] <TJ-> xnox: OVMF is fine, I'm using it to work out a way to fix a physical install
[20:03] <TJ-> xnox: Was trying to get my head around how the UEFI works differently with removable media (simple file system) as opposed to fixed media which require entries in the UEFI nvram's boot list
[22:26] <Logan_> What is the easiest way to submit the entire Ubuntu delta to Debian? submittodebian just seems to do the latest Ubuntu revision based on the revision before it, even if that was also an Ubuntu revision.
[22:33] <jtaylor> just run debdiff and email it is not very hard
[22:34] <PublicStaticVoid> SO may I ask politely.. Why was the decision made to go for Mir and not Wayland?
[22:34] <PublicStaticVoid> When all future WM's and DE's are going to be depending on Wayland..
[22:34] <PublicStaticVoid> 95% of Distros are moving to Wayland..
[22:41] <PublicStaticVoid> k..
[23:05] <Logan_> jtaylor: But submittodebian makes it so easy. :P Alright.
[23:13] <Fudge> hey infinity, the workspace switcher check box is unavailable and gets not tab focus with orca. GF could not click it.
[23:32] <Fudge> infinity:  thank you for fixing cpufreqd


[06:35] <husle-bunny> morning lvly ppl of mzansi
[07:53] <Kilos-> Maaz: coffee on
[07:53]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:54] <Kilos> morning all
[07:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos-!
[08:01] <Kilos-> Maaz: ty
[08:01] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos-
[08:35] <Kilos-> hi psydroid
[08:45] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[09:56] <Kilos> Maaz: hi
[09:56] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[11:42] <charl> konichiwa, ojama shimas
[14:17] <Kilos> guten tag mein herr's
[14:18] <Kilos> dunno how to sat that> herritjies
[14:21] <charl> Kilos: herren
[14:22] <charl> anyway, how's it going?
[14:22] <Kilos> ah ty
[14:22] <Kilos> well ty and you charl
[14:23] <Kilos> i see Audi clean up at Le Mans again
[14:23] <charl> not bad
[14:23] <charl> my head hurts from studying though
[14:23] <Kilos> oh my
[14:24] <Kilos> mine hurts from not being able to study
[14:24] <Kilos> are your eyes good lad?
[14:24] <charl> hmm that's quite the opposite problem
[14:24] <charl> for long distance i have glasses because i am near-sighted
[14:24] <charl> but unless i am driving i don't wear them
[14:25] <Kilos> ah i use here on the pc and stronger ones for reading books
[14:25] <charl> actually quite a nice pair of glasses, they have the sun-protection layer as well so they double as sun glasses
[14:25] <Kilos> thats nice
[14:25] <charl> ah i see, no i'm fortunate in that i don't have to wear them for computer or books
[14:26] <Kilos> haha and with choqok not being able to size fonts i need pc glasses to type and reading to follow choqok
[14:27] <charl> ah i see, never used choqok
[14:27] <charl> looks nice though, pity about the lack of font resizingt
[14:27] <charl> that should become standard in all applications
[14:27] <Kilos> its actually quite a nice twitter tool apart from not working as it should in gnome
[14:28] <Kilos> better than gtwitter
[14:28] <Kilos> imho
[14:28] <charl> gtwitter sucks imho
[14:28] <charl> or was that another tool i am thinking about....
[14:28] <charl> there was gwibber or something too
[14:28] <Kilos> gwibber isnt bad either but now i have twitter ubuntu-za in my pidgin then everything works
[14:29] <charl> ah nice
[14:29] <Kilos> having learned the follow and unfollow commands help
[14:29] <Kilos> s
[14:30] <charl> i friend of mine wrote a command-line twitter tool he maintained for some time
[14:30] <charl> but i don't think he is still developing it
[14:30] <Kilos> i see some in synaptic
[14:30] <charl> yeah i'm sure there must be others as well
[14:30] <Kilos> but now i will use pidgin where im at least at home
[14:31] <Kilos> yo sflr howzit
[14:31] <charl> hi sflr
[14:32] <Kilos> methinks the kde things arent too happy on gnome charl
[14:32] <Kilos> quassel and konversation dont have sound here either
[14:33] <Kilos> but i see one can do quassel without kde dependancies
[14:34] <charl> i haven't had too many issues myself (outside of kde applications basically looking pretty crap) inside gnome
[14:34] <charl> but then i haven't used many recently
[14:34] <charl> i used kate as my primary code editor for quite some time
[14:34] <Kilos> i think maybe its better to keep kde stuff on kde
[14:35] <charl> yeah that is probably true
[14:35] <charl> i have anyway mostly converted to using command line applications instead
[14:35] <Kilos> but kate is needed for somethings on gnome as well. i have kate but it was needed for something else
[14:36] <Kilos> or libkate at least
[14:37] <sflr> hi Kilos, charl!
[14:47] <charl> hmmm could be incorporated into any code editor i guess
[14:48] <Kilos> hehe i dunno, it installed as a dependancy with something else i have always used on gnome
[15:07] <inetpro> Good evening ladies & gents
[15:07] <Kilos> evening inetpro
[15:07] <charl> hi inetpro
[15:07] <charl> not entirely evening yet, one hour to go :)
[15:07] <Kilos> haha
[15:07] <inetpro> Hmm
[15:08] <Kilos> inetpro, amoi one can get quassel without kde dependancies hey
[15:08] <Kilos> quassel-qt4
[15:10]  * inetpro waiting at the hospital for me youngster to get some stitches
[15:10] <Kilos> oh my inetpro what happened
[15:11] <inetpro> fell from a stool onto a wooden bench... Hurt the forearm..
[15:11] <Kilos> ouch
[15:12] <inetpro> but she'll be ok.  Working perfectly so far.
[15:21] <Kilos> great
[15:23] <charl> nice
[15:24] <charl> i still have various servers that need upgrading but desktop-wise i am fully over to 12.04
[15:24] <Kilos> thats good
[15:25] <inetpro> that was the acer aspire one if I remember correctly
[15:39] <Kilos> wb psydroid
[15:42] <psydroid> ty Kilos
[15:54] <inetpro> ok, back at home with the little girl and her 7 stitches
[15:54] <Kilos> shame
[15:54] <Kilos> how old is she inetpro
[15:54] <inetpro> all's well that ends well
[15:54] <Kilos> ?
[15:54] <inetpro> 6
[15:54] <Kilos> aw
[15:57] <inetpro> these little accidents happen way to quickly
[15:57] <Kilos> yeah
[15:57] <Kilos> yo Jabberwocky
[15:58] <inetpro> gotta wrap them up somehow so they can't hurt themselves
[15:58] <inetpro> :-)
[15:59] <inetpro> that only cost me like R600
[15:59] <Kilos> its life and its bumps. makes them grow up strong
[15:59] <Kilos> only?
[15:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:02] <Kilos> you cant mollycoddle them at home too much then they get hurt worse at school etc
[16:04] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, very true
[16:06] <sflr> hi inetpro, hope she gets better soon!
[16:06] <inetpro> sflr: thanks
[16:07] <sflr> now that i'm a father i think back and feel sorry for my parents how many time they got called cause I broke a bone here and there
[16:07] <Kilos> yeah its tough being a parent hey?
[16:07] <Kilos> we didnt appreciate them when we were young
[16:08] <sflr> yeah, we get the same from our kids :)
[16:09] <Kilos> lol its a serious thing the generation gap. we dont understand each other too well
[16:09] <sflr> interestingly kids and grandparents get along well
[16:10] <Kilos> that is so true
[16:12] <sflr> I watched Meteorite Men on Discovery channel. Looks very interesting. I wonder if meteorite hunting can be done in SA. All you need is a fancy metal detector :)
[16:12] <Kilos> hehe
[17:12] <Kilos> uh oh
[17:12] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[17:12] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[17:12] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:12]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:13] <Kilos> yay net split somewhere else
[17:13] <Kilos> sflr, you still here?
[17:13]  * sflr still here
[17:14] <Kilos> haha
[17:14] <Kilos> ChanServ, wb
[17:15] <Kilos> inetpro, dont lose ops before tomorrow night
[17:15] <sflr> looking at meteorite craters and geology of SA
[17:16] <Kilos> what do they do with the meteors the unearth sflr
[17:16] <Kilos> are they of some fancy metal?
[17:16] <sflr> usually donate to research, science centers
[17:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:17] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:17] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:17] <inetpro> Kilos: you want me to run the meeting?
[17:17] <sflr> yes, iron, nikkel, etc
[17:17] <Kilos> yes please inetpro looks like the monkey and maia and nuvolari  might not be here
[17:18] <sflr> lets try to keep the meeting duration 1 hour, not to overrun
[17:18] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[17:18]  * inetpro will have to get someone to assign permissions for Maaz
[17:18] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:18] <inetpro> and then  I guess I shall have to prepare
[17:19] <Kilos> the fly knows who does that
[17:19] <Kilos> maybe he can
[17:19] <inetpro> perhaps superfly should run it for us?
[17:19] <sflr> what permission Maaz needs?
[17:19] <Kilos> he does the admin work sflr
[17:20] <Kilos> hehe
[17:20] <Kilos> records etc
[17:20] <sflr> ops. then we def need him.lol
[17:20] <Kilos> lol and coffee
[17:21] <Kilos> i dunno who else can give them other than cocooncrash
[17:21] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions
[17:21] <Maaz> inetpro: I don't know who you are
[17:21] <inetpro> you see, he don't like me
[17:21] <Kilos> Maaz, tell cocooncrash Please can you give inetpro permissions for maaz for our meeting tomorrow night
[17:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell cocooncrash on freenode
[17:22] <inetpro> the chair should have chairmeeting permissions to run the meeting
[17:22] <Kilos> Maaz, tell cocooncrash Chairmeeting permissions please
[17:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell cocooncrash on freenode
[17:23] <inetpro> Maaz: list permissions
[17:23] <Maaz> inetpro: Permissions: admin, chairmeeting, config, core, debug, eval, factoid, factoidadmin, feeds, karma, karmaadmin, nmap, plugins, recvmemo, regex, saydo, sendmemo, sources and summon
[17:24] <nuvolari> o/ g'evening
[17:24] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos, inetpro
[17:24] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[17:24] <nuvolari> and sflr
[17:24] <Kilos> inetpro, i tweeted and mail about the meet
[17:24] <Kilos> mailed
[17:25] <sflr> hey nuvolari
[17:25] <inetpro> Kilos: I noticed
[17:25] <sflr> you can try to login as config, debug, regex, nmap. lol
[17:26] <nuvolari> holy smokes! that's a massive agenda
[17:26] <nuvolari> looks intimidating :P
[17:26] <Kilos> yeah gonna be over an hour methinks
[17:26] <inetpro> ahh Kilos, you see he's ready for it and all
[17:27] <Kilos> who inetpro
[17:27] <Kilos> lol nuvolari ?
[17:27] <inetpro> Kilos: nuvo
[17:27] <Kilos> ha ha
[17:27] <nuvolari> I don't mind chairing
[17:27] <Kilos> well when time comes if you have those permissions you can spread them
[17:27] <nuvolari> and it looks like I will be around after all
[17:28] <inetpro> cool nuvolari
[17:28] <Kilos> nuvolari, do you know how to get permissions for maaz
[17:28] <Kilos> who knows whats up with maia
[17:29] <Kilos> is she ok?
[17:29] <inetpro> nuvolari: just check with Maaz with "Maaz: permissions"
[17:29] <nuvolari> Kilos: nope, sorry oom. AFAIK you need special kung-fu permissions to manage Maaz
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[17:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: permissions
[17:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: Permissions: chairmeeting
[17:29] <inetpro> now that is all you need
[17:29] <nuvolari> yeah
[17:30] <Kilos> is that all, doesnt it have to come from the crash kid?
[17:30] <nuvolari> Kilos: I did it last time oom
[17:30] <superfly> inetpro: afaik, cocooncrash gave you chairmeeting permissions too
[17:31] <nuvolari>  Maaz | inetpro: Permissions: ..., chairmeeting,
[17:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[17:31] <inetpro> noddy: permissions
[17:31] <Kilos> hiya superfly all good there?
[17:31] <inetpro> oops
[17:31] <Kilos> apart from weather that is
[17:31] <inetpro> Maaz: permissions
[17:31] <Maaz> inetpro: I don't know who you are
[17:31] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[17:31] <nuvolari> oh, list available permissions
[17:32] <inetpro> superfly: but it's ok, nuvolari can run the show
[17:32]  * nuvolari is still waking up from his Sunday afternoon nap
[17:32] <Kilos> lucky lad
[17:32] <Kilos> yo not_found
[17:32] <nuvolari> lo not_found!
[17:32] <not_found> Hiya Kilos , nuvolari ... and all :)
[17:33] <Kilos> dont miss the meet tomorrow night hey not_found
[17:33] <not_found> just logged in to say I should be making it :)
[17:33] <Kilos> yay
[17:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: now do yourself a favour and copy the agenda to a text doc on your side with the relevant commands ready to change the topic at each point
[17:33] <inetpro> will make your life much easier
[17:34] <sflr> hi not_found!
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: pull the pin
[17:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[17:34] <Kilos> inetpro, ideas on getting more list guys to our meetings
[17:34] <not_found> hi sflr
[17:34] <inetpro> Kilos: sadly you can't force them
[17:35] <inetpro> if we keep doing it professionally they will eventually start coming
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting so far
[17:35] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[17:35] <nuvolari> argh
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: minutes so far
[17:35] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry, no meeting in progress.
[17:35] <sflr> we should get an RSVP feature in the future, at least to see how many ppl come approx
[17:35] <inetpro> nuvolari: start meeting
[17:36] <Kilos> yeah inetpro inna diplomatic way. like pretty please we need you
[17:36] <nuvolari> inetpro: yeah, but I don't want to start it just yet :P
[17:36] <inetpro> Maaz: help meeting
[17:36] <Maaz> inetpro: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[17:36] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[17:36] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[17:36] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[17:36] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[17:36] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[17:36] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[17:36] <inetpro> nuvolari: you can always run a test if you want
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, keeps that info sflr
[17:36] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[17:37] <Kilos> hehe Maaz sorry
[17:37] <sflr> ok
[17:37] <Kilos> everyone logs in at the meeting and maaz keeps records
[17:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about rehearsal for monthly meet
[17:37]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:37] <Kilos> thats why if maaz is sick we all are
[17:38] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[17:38] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[17:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:38] <Maaz> nuvolari: Done
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[17:38] <sflr> Maaz: I am Steven Scheffler
[17:38] <Maaz> sflr: Done
[17:38] <sflr> no, i'm not done. lol
[17:38] <Kilos> lol
[17:38] <inetpro> Maaz: minutes so far?
[17:38] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-17-17-37-54.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-17-17-37-54.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-17-17-37-54.html
[17:39] <Kilos> underdone
[17:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic welcome
[17:39] <Maaz> Current Topic: welcome
[17:40] <nuvolari> seems like a lot of new people joined us lately
[17:40] <inetpro> Kilos: it seems like nuvolari is all sharpe to run the show tm
[17:41] <nuvolari> to each of you welcome
[17:41] <Kilos> lol yeah
[17:41]  * nuvolari facepalms
[17:41] <nuvolari> punctuation!
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[17:41] <Maaz> Welcome to Ubuntu-za all you geeks
[17:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic review previous minutes
[17:42] <Maaz> Current Topic: review previous minutes
[17:42] <nuvolari> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-05-21-17-44-22.txt
[17:43] <inetpro> nuvolari: remember teh actions as well
[17:43] <inetpro> (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[17:43] <nuvolari> Maaz: idea keep up the pace with formal meetings
[17:43] <Maaz> Idea recorded: keep up the pace with formal meetings
[17:43] <inetpro> the*
[17:43] <nuvolari> lol, was about to try that :P
[17:44] <inetpro> :-)
[17:44] <inetpro> ahh, seems to me you are already well oiled and all
[17:44] <Kilos> hehe
[17:45] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Meeting at 19:30, June 18'th 2012
[17:45] <Maaz> Agreed: Meeting at 19:30, June 18'th 2012
[17:45] <nuvolari> ok, so rehearsal done?
[17:46] <inetpro> +1
[17:46] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[17:46] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[17:46] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-17-17-37-54.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-17-17-37-54.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-06-17-17-37-54.html
[17:47] <Kilos> see sflr Maaz be a clever bot
[17:48] <sflr> too true!
[17:48] <Kilos> nuvolari, jy lyk reg vir die ding. moenie nou more n hoofpyn kry nie
[17:49] <Kilos> we are actually organised here just the chairs keep falling over
[17:49] <nuvolari> nee ek sal hier wees oom
[17:49] <Kilos> mooi
[17:53] <Kilos> well guys looks like things are looking good for the meeting
[17:54] <Kilos> will have a good chuckle if the monkey and maia pitch as well
[17:55] <nuvolari> ack, need to go feed the dogs
[17:55] <nuvolari> bbiab
[17:55] <Kilos> k
[17:56] <Kilos> inetpro, you got dogs?
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean nuvolari
[17:56] <Kilos> you man. dont you see the ?
[17:57] <Kilos> i got some info
[17:57] <Kilos> might save some of you some bucks
[17:57] <inetpro> huh?
[17:57] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[17:57] <inetpro> yes I've got like 4 straatbrakke
 ack, need to go feed the dogs
[17:57] <Kilos> ok listen. gotta try remember
[17:58] <Kilos> when i was on the farm in utrecht
[17:58] <Kilos> farmer was on the boerbull telers raad and his father was a founder member of them
[17:59] <Kilos> he was advised to feed them express weaner which is actually for pigs
[17:59] <inetpro> yikes
[18:00] <Kilos> so he had it analysed at a lab and was told it is the perfect dogs food available
[18:00] <Kilos> got everything a dog needs
[18:01] <Kilos> was a well kept secret but if it can help anyone here i be happy
[18:01] <Kilos> i think it is make by meadowfeeds
[18:01] <Kilos> cant member for sure about the manufcturers
[18:02] <Kilos> you guys can google the feed making companies just to make sure.
[18:03] <Kilos> you buy it from co-ops in 50kg bags
[18:04] <inetpro> and then you feed them like a pig?
[18:04] <Kilos> dis soos afrond korrels vir jou broilers
[18:04] <inetpro> shame
[18:04] <inetpro> :-)
[18:04] <Kilos> no man you put it in their dishes
[18:04] <Kilos> it doesnt make dogs grow so fast man
[18:05] <Kilos> its a complete dog food
[18:05] <inetpro> I can remember from the farm my dad used to make his own mixes
[18:05] <inetpro> some of that stuff was actually very tasty
[18:05] <Kilos> made a massive diffs to the pocket when feeding 20 boerboele
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <Kilos> funny how these things poup from before winmill days
[18:07] <Kilos> popup
[18:07] <sflr> inetpro did you also taste it? lol
[18:08] <inetpro> sflr: for sure
[18:09] <inetpro> sflr: that's how I got so clever
[18:09] <inetpro> :-)
[18:09] <sflr> haha. and dogs stayed hungry?
[18:10] <sflr> for the meeting intro we could also say the location where are we from?
[18:10] <sflr> to plan the meetups, etc
[18:10] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:11] <Kilos> also maybe the idea of the NPO thing can go to lists and might attract some more geeks
[18:15]  * nuvolari is not much of a dog-lover
[18:15] <nuvolari> cats I like
[18:15] <Kilos> its the only friend one can ever have that loves you more than itself
[18:16] <Kilos> think i warped that a bit
[18:16] <sflr> more geeks? "A geek is an unfashionable or socially inept person." - dictionary definition. lol
[18:16] <sflr> nuvolari, its said that cats are aliens. we serve them all the time.
[18:17] <Kilos> haha i got other info on that from someone here
[18:17] <Kilos> inetpro, where was that place that gives all the info on geeks and nerds etc
[18:17] <inetpro> ?
[18:17] <Kilos> sigh
[18:18] <Kilos> was a site with explanations on modern slang etc
[18:18] <Kilos> i cant member 3 years back man
[18:18] <Kilos> it even had kiff there remember
[18:19] <Kilos> pity my blog aint up anymore
[18:20] <sflr> http://www.urbandictionary.com/ ?
[18:20] <Kilos> sflr, ill try find the relevant info and pastebin it
[18:20] <Kilos> my version of a geek
[18:21] <sflr> ok. I know what you meant, was just kidding
[18:21] <Kilos> yeah i know man
[18:21] <Kilos> i blogged a nice bit about geeks i think
[18:23] <sflr> Kilos, you not blogging anymore?
[18:24] <Kilos> its actually an involved story sflr conflict of interests i think it would be called
[18:25] <sflr> i see. so you had to quit?
[18:25] <Kilos> kinda yeah. was too visible
[18:26] <Kilos> maybe i can put it up somewhere again if i can make it by invite only
[18:29] <inetpro> sflr: he has a beautiful young daughter who's trying to build herself some fame and it may just happen that his story could have a slight nagative impact on her aspirations
[18:30] <inetpro> not sure how, but he did the wise thing to pull it off
[18:30] <sflr> thanks for the update inetpro
[18:30] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[18:31] <Kilos> im trying to find it. hope it didnt disappear with my last crash
[18:31] <sflr> you know everything comes out sooner or later. specially for a person who becomes famous
[18:31] <Kilos> yeah the media can cause ructions if we connected openly
[18:32] <nuvolari> sflr: either way, I'm better frends with aliens than with dogs
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:32]  * inetpro lol
[18:33] <sflr> haha nuvolari. feel connected
[18:34] <sflr> Kilos, that's painful =(
[18:34] <Kilos> ya
[18:35] <Kilos> superfly, werent you making a blog engine?
[18:35] <Kilos> or whatever you call it
[18:35] <superfly> Kilos: about 2 years ago...
[18:36] <Kilos> and still not useable yet?
[18:36] <Kilos> oh code365?
[18:37] <sflr> wordpress? :)
[18:37] <Kilos> i had it at blogspot but was too visible
[18:38] <Kilos> if i can make it by invite only then who knows
[18:39] <Kilos> was just keen to show you my opinion of a geek
[18:39] <Kilos> wanted to hit my son when he called me one
[18:39] <sflr> I think you can make blogspot blog a private one. but not sure.
[18:40] <sflr> haha, is your son also a geek?
[18:40] <Kilos> more so than me he loves playing with pcs
[18:40] <Kilos> yo magespawn
[18:40] <magespawn> Evening all
[18:40] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[18:41] <nuvolari> Add your blog to our listings? ?
[18:41] <nuvolari>   Yes   No
[18:41] <nuvolari> Let search engines find your blog? ?
[18:41] <nuvolari>   Yes   No
[18:41] <nuvolari> sorry for spamming
[18:41] <nuvolari> ^^ blogger privacy options
[18:43] <magespawn> Who hosts the mailman for the ubuntu-za mailing list?
[18:43] <Banlam> who is miles?
[18:43] <sflr> hi magespawn
[18:44] <sflr> & Banlam
[18:44] <Banlam> evening
[18:44] <magespawn> Hi sflr, Banlam
[18:45] <magespawn> Kilos is miles
[18:45] <Kilos> it was there nuvolari  and i had to ask the fly to delete it
[18:45] <Kilos> hah
[18:45] <sflr> Miles is Kilos
[18:45] <Kilos> where you got that Banlam
[18:45] <Banlam> aha
[18:45] <Banlam> :P
[18:46] <Banlam> ubuntuza mail list
[18:46] <sflr> how many ppl are subsribed to the mailing list?
[18:47] <Kilos> lots
[18:47] <sflr> i meant in numbers :) 200?
[18:47] <Kilos> most help from there and dont join us here
[18:47] <Kilos> ?
[18:49] <Kilos> maybe when he has time the fly can tell us
[18:49] <Kilos> most noobs go there for help in the beginning
[18:51] <magespawn> I think they should come here, more interactive and personal.
[18:51] <Banlam> i only joined the list on thursday
[18:51] <Banlam> i can't remember why i joined here
[18:52] <Kilos> Banlam, its mainly for guys like me that cant help themselves i think
[18:52] <Banlam> the channel?
[18:52] <Kilos> we have been trying for months to get them here
[18:52] <Kilos> no the lists
[18:53] <Kilos> when you first install ubuntu if you doff you go lists for help
[18:55]  * sflr went to google for help
[18:55]  * Banlam bothered friends
[18:55] <Kilos> i hate google
[18:56] <Kilos> i used lists for a week or 2 then the fly i think explained to me how to get here
[18:56] <superfly> sflr: I despise WordPress - I was writing my own blog engine in Python
[18:56] <Kilos> dont forget i was a mechanic farmer
[18:56] <Banlam> and then what happened?
[18:57] <Kilos> then i crashed
[18:57] <Kilos> bust head open and visited the pearly gates
[18:57] <Kilos> hehe
[18:58] <Kilos> DOA means nothing if the big boss is on your side
[19:03] <Kilos> here is my opinion of geeks
[19:03] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21IMHuRkY
[19:08] <magespawn> Lol @ Kilos
[19:08] <Kilos> superfly, will you ever finish it?
[19:09] <magespawn> superfly do you know who hosts the ubuntu-za mailing list?
[19:09] <Kilos> Banlam, i did have friends in the IT or even pc world
[19:09] <Kilos> didnt
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know... maybe if I have some holiday, and I get a bee in my bonnet
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: that was very well written and worth reading again
[19:10] <superfly> magespawn: Canonical
[19:10] <Kilos> wasty inetpro
[19:10] <Kilos> oops
[19:10] <Kilos> ty
[19:10] <Kilos> dunno what was was for
[19:10] <inetpro> :-)
[19:11] <Kilos> if i member right i just gave some vague ideas and the fly wrote it for me
[19:11] <inetpro> ok, /me is going offline for a few minutes to install Kubuntu 12.04 on this device of mine
[19:11] <magespawn> Ahhh. Could you host it over a dsl connection if the list was small? Say 10 - 12 ppl?
[19:11]  * inetpro bbl
[19:11] <Kilos> good luck inetpro
[19:12] <superfly> magespawn: you *could*
[19:13] <superfly> magespawn: practically, a number of web hosts already have mailing lists, and getting a VPS is pretty cheap these days
[19:13] <magespawn> What is pretty cheap?
[19:13] <tumbleweed> serving e-mail from DSL is a pretty bad idea. Many mailservers block e-mail from dynamic IP ranges
[19:14] <Kilos> evening tumbleweed
[19:14] <magespawn> Let me explain whay I need it.
[19:15] <tumbleweed> evening (waving from a heathrow depature lounge, after an extended post-UDS european jaunt)
[19:15] <tumbleweed> magespawn: pretty cheap = ~ $10 / month
[19:15] <magespawn> I am seceretary of my kids school SGB, and co-ordinating the meetings is getting to take up too much time, just mailing ppl
[19:16] <magespawn> Thats about 80-100 rand.
[19:16] <magespawn> Can gmail do it?
[19:16] <nuvolari> magespawn: google-groups
[19:17] <magespawn> R1200-00 tand a year or so.
[19:17] <magespawn> Rand
[19:18] <magespawn> Mm there is an idea, I set up a google site for the school, so I should be able to add it to that.
[19:18] <tumbleweed> yup, google groups is the easy answer here
[19:18] <magespawn> Ty guys,just needed another mind, point of view. Should have thought of that ages ago.
[19:19] <Banlam> magespawn, what exactly do you need?
[19:19] <Banlam> just a mailing list server?
[19:20] <magespawn> Yup
[19:21] <Banlam> surely there are free services
[19:21] <magespawn> Something so that when one person suggests a change, I do not have forward the mail.
[19:21] <nuvolari> Banlam: *cough* google groups again :P
[19:21] <Kilos> lol
[19:21] <Banlam> :P
[19:21] <magespawn> Lol
[19:21] <tumbleweed> magespawn: I bet they'll still mail you directly
[19:22] <magespawn> Maybe would have to get them used to idea of the list.
[19:22] <Kilos> tumbleweed, will you be able to make tomorrow nights meeting?
[19:23] <magespawn> People programming is harder than computer programming.
[19:23] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I intend to
[19:23] <Kilos> impossible to program some peeps
[19:23] <Kilos> yay
[19:24] <Banlam> just send an email back to the people, that looks like it's been bounced by a server saying to forward emails to XYZ address
[19:24]  * tumbleweed wanders off to board
[19:24] <Kilos> fly safe tumbleweed
[19:26] <magespawn> I have a paid for address that I have been trying to get people to stop using for 5 years now.
[19:26] <Kilos> lol
[19:27] <Kilos> put an auto forward into it and close it
[19:28] <Kilos> or close it and they can get unable to deliver  mails back
[19:28] <Kilos> then they will fone you
[19:29] <magespawn> They already have my other one, and still every now and then they use the old one.
[19:29] <cocooncrash> Kilos, superfly: superfly and drubin can grant permissions
[19:30] <superfly> ah, ok
[19:30] <Kilos> ty cocooncrash will try remember that
[19:30] <superfly> ta cocooncrash
[19:30] <Kilos> drubin is kinda missing in action lately
[19:33] <Kilos> hey magespawn you can use gc for school meetings
[19:33] <magespawn> Kilos that was the idea butnher connection is only dsl
[19:34] <Kilos> dsl?
[19:34] <magespawn> Sorry ADSL
[19:34] <Kilos> so thats fast enough
[19:34] <Kilos> its only text
[19:35] <Kilos> or you want videos too
[19:35] <magespawn> We generally all live close by, so no need to do a telly meeting.
[19:35] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> as long as you get tea/coffee and cookies thats good
[19:41] <magespawn> We do.
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:42] <sflr> magespawn, if it is for a school you can try Google Apps for Education http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/edu/
[19:46]  * inetpro is back though not optimal yet... lot's of updating and configuration to do
[19:48] <inetpro> but I feel right at home already
[19:48] <Kilos> yay inetpro
[19:50] <magespawn> sflr already have the free google apps set up for, just did not know I could set up a mailing list with it
[19:50] <magespawn> Will move to that one if the situation warrants it.
[19:50] <inetpro> tumbleweed: good to see you online again, you back?
[19:51] <inetpro> cocooncrash: ahh, and even cocooncrash?
[19:52] <sflr> yes, that will work magespawn. http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/edu/groups.html
[19:53] <inetpro> ahh, the tumbling tumbleweed is at the airport
[19:53] <Kilos> hehe
[19:54] <inetpro> magespawn: google groups is the answer
[20:18] <Kilos> night all of you guys. sleep tight
[20:18] <Kilos> see you's tomorrow
[20:19] <Kilos> Maaz, night
[20:19] <Maaz> Kilos: Bye
[20:19] <sflr> bye Kilos!
[20:20] <magespawn> I am also out of here, thanks for the help and advice, night all.
[20:45] <inetpro> superfly: what's that package that tumbleweed suggested again in stead of the propriatary nvidia drivers?
[20:45] <superfly> nouveau
[20:45] <inetpro> ahh
[20:45] <inetpro> thanks
[20:48] <charl> nn all


[03:58] <ronnoc> Happy Easter fellow Ohio geeks
[03:58] <Unit193> Wait a couple minutes....
[03:58] <ronnoc> you weren't supposed to be so attentive!
[03:59] <canthus13> ronnoc: timestamps FTW. :)
[03:59]  * canthus13 really needs to set up ntp on his server.. it's almost 4 minutes behind.
[03:59] <ronnoc> pshhh....just like a fellow geek to nitpick 61 seconds :p
[03:59] <ronnoc> no 50 seconds! x.x
[04:00] <Unit193> Happy Easter!
[04:00] <canthus13> Mmmm.... Roast bunny for dinner.
[04:00] <ronnoc> If easter means something to you... happy easter :)
[04:00] <canthus13> It means triple pay. :D
[04:01] <ronnoc> canthus13: x.x
[04:02] <canthus13> :D
[04:02] <ronnoc> canthus13: Ancient belief systems FTW
[04:02] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:04] <ronnoc> today I learned (seriously, I feel so ignorant) that Islam has the same Jesus story. I feel so dumb.
[04:05] <canthus13> Mostly the same.
[04:05] <canthus13> they change some stuff.
[04:05] <ronnoc> canthus13: well..of course. But essentially (the important stuff) seems to gel.
[04:06] <canthus13> Not really. there are some pretty major differences iirc.
[04:07]  * canthus13 can't recall them off hand, but saw a side-by-side comparison about 8 years ago.
[04:07] <ronnoc> They believe in the virgin birth... is there anything more important from Christianities POV?
[04:07] <ronnoc> I'm not agreeing with it...just stating what I think I know
[04:07]  * canthus13 nods.
[04:08] <canthus13> from christianity's POV? A lot is more important than that, really.
[04:08] <canthus13> islam changes quite a few of christ's teachings.
[04:09] <canthus13> One of the biggest things is that according to islam, christ wasn't cruicified.  Kinda breaks easter right there. :)
[04:09] <canthus13> *crucified.
[04:10]  * canthus13 shrugs.
[04:10] <canthus13> Interesting stuff:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam
[04:12] <ronnoc> canthus13: I wonder if Islam has more in connection with the Agnostic Gospels then the Cannonized ones. Research for another day. Wouldn't mix well with Yuengling. :)
[04:12] <canthus13> Nothing mixes well with that swill. :(
[04:13] <ronnoc> canthus13: probably. in the end we're all human and we tend to try and influence our desired outcomes into what we write and how we interpret.
[04:14] <ronnoc> I'm more introspective than normal this easter
[04:15] <canthus13> And we're only 15 minutes in...
[04:15] <ronnoc> it started a few chapters and a few beers ago :)
[17:32] <Cheri703> *this is not meant as a disparagement of religious views*
[17:33] <Cheri703> stupid christian holidays preventing businesses from being open
[17:33] <Cheri703> pharmacy is closed today, need a prescription to take TONIGHT, had no time all week to pick it up, had planned to get it while out doing errands today as always
[17:33] <Cheri703> store is open, pharmacy is not
[17:33] <Cheri703> am super super frustrated
[17:34] <canthus13> Cheri703: No walgreens?
[17:34] <Cheri703> it is at cvs
[17:34] <canthus13> OH. already dropped it off. :/
[17:34] <canthus13> that sucks.
[17:35] <Cheri703> yeah, it is refilled and sitting there
[17:35] <Cheri703> and I can't get it
[17:35] <Cheri703> and it is BS
[17:35] <Cheri703> and I am mad
[17:35] <canthus13> I rather like these holidays. I get triple pay. :)
[17:35] <Cheri703> yeah yeah
[17:35] <canthus13> :P
[17:35] <Cheri703> that's good and fine, your business is OPEN
[17:36] <canthus13> Cheri703: Sorta. We fall under utility regulations and have to have support 24/7. Most of our lobbies are closed, though.
[17:36] <Cheri703> if businesses were open and paid their employees, good for them, but closing so that x% of their workforce can observe a holiday, and preventing a percentage of people accessing care they need, that's an issue to me.
[17:36] <Cheri703> care/medication
[17:36]  * canthus13 nods.
[17:37] <Cheri703> mine is not exactly a controlled substance, and other people take it for other reasons, but for me? taking it = avoiding literally days in a row of not being able to stand up for more than 3-5 minutes at a time
[17:37] <canthus13> easter and christmas are two days that, whether practicing or not, most people who identify as christian go to church.
[17:37] <canthus13> :(
[17:37] <Cheri703> going >24 hours without it makes me start feeling weird, more than that it kicks over into "probably unavoidable"
[17:37] <canthus13> It is rather odd that CVS would have it closed. :/
[17:38] <Cheri703> canthus13: and that's fine, be open a half day, or have people go in waves, depending on church time
[17:38]  * canthus13 nods.
[17:38] <Cheri703> I am just worried, because I have important stuff to do tomorrow and feeling weird is not conducive to such things
[17:39] <Cheri703> and waking up ~8am to get across town on a rainy day is not so easy for me, either of those by themselves, let alone together
[17:39] <Cheri703> and staying up then sleeping won't work either, because one appointment is at 1pm :/
[17:39]  * canthus13 nods.
[17:40] <canthus13> And I'm guessing the pharmacy isn't going to open 'til in the morning.
[17:40] <Cheri703> 8am
[17:40] <canthus13> :/
[17:42] <Cheri703> none of them in town are open today
[18:17] <Cheri703> I think I am going to change pharmacies over this...
[18:17] <skellat> I just hate walking into the middle of somethin'
[18:17] <skellat> Cheri703, what did the pharmacy do to you?
[18:17] <Cheri703> short version: cvs store is open today, pharamcy is closed, which is stupid and ridiculous
[18:18] <Cheri703> I can't go get my medicine but I could buy candy and dumb crap
[18:18] <Cheri703> so...seems backwards
[18:18] <skellat> Cheri703, yeah...I woulda closed the whole place like MPOW today
[18:19] <Cheri703> frankly I think if one part is open instead of another, it should be the pharmacy part, medicine > cigarettes and shampoo
[18:19] <skellat> Agreed
[18:20] <skellat> How is the weather out Mansfield way?
[18:20] <Cheri703> decent right now, supposed to rain at some point
[18:21] <skellat> Good
[18:22] <Cheri703> yep
[19:54] <BiosElement> Happy Easter folks ^_^
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