[06:54] <dholbach> soren, jpds, nhandler, nixternal, persia: around?
[06:55] <soren> dholbach: Honestly, yes. But very, very much on my way to bed.
[06:55] <dholbach> hey geser
[06:55]  * soren has been on the road for 22 hours.. Needs sleep.
[06:56] <dholbach> right :)
[06:56]  * ScottK needs to get to bed too, so let's make this quick ....
[06:56]  * dholbach texts jpds
[06:57] <soren> I haven't a coherent thought in my head, so I'll spare you all my nonsense, and go to bed. G'night, all.
[06:57] <diwic> soren: Just vote "yes" for me first ;-)
[06:57] <soren> What is this meeting anyway?
[06:57] <soren> I thought it was a "Thursday afternoon" week.
[06:57] <dholbach> MC
[06:58] <maco> soren: thats 4th week
[06:58] <soren> Not a "Friday morning" week.
[06:58] <soren> Ah.
[07:00] <dholbach> is Scott Howard here?
[07:00] <dholbach> dobey does not seem to be around
[07:01] <nixternal> yo yo
[07:01] <dholbach> hey nixternal!
[07:01] <nixternal> howdy!
[07:01] <maco> hi nixternal
[07:01] <dholbach> I texted jpds and he said he'd definitely be there and persia, too, said he had no trouble making the meeting
[07:02] <persia> Indeed, I didn't
[07:02] <dholbach> excellent
[07:02] <dholbach> persia, nixternal, geser: anybody of you wants to drive the meeting today?
[07:02] <persia> I'll drive
[07:02] <persia> #startmeeting
[07:02] <dholbach> super
[07:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 01:02. The chair is persia.
[07:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[07:02] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting
[07:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Council/Meeting
[07:03] <persia> [TOPIC] MOTU Application of Mackenzie Morgan (maco)
[07:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU Application of Mackenzie Morgan (maco)
[07:03] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacoMorgan/MOTUApp
[07:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacoMorgan/MOTUApp
[07:03] <maco> hi
[07:04] <persia> maco: So, how do you feel about your application?
[07:05] <maco> Was scared a bit ago because I hadn't done a merge before and figured that was an automatic "no" but I just did one (ScottK uploaded it)
[07:05] <nixternal> lol
[07:05] <maco> so slightly less scared now ;)
[07:05] <ScottK> (it built on all archs, btw)
[07:05] <nixternal> you went from low hanging fruit right into the storm of packaging :)
[07:05] <dholbach> maco seems to be a pragmatic problem solver :)
[07:06] <persia> maco: Well, that's related to my first question: https://launchpad.net/~maco.m/+related-software doesn't seem to have as many entries as we sometimes see.  Have you been working more in depth in areas, or are your contributions often found elsewhere?
[07:06] <dholbach> maco: which of the patches you worked on you enjoyed the most?
[07:07] <maco> persia: there were a handful of patches that instead of being done as individual debdiffs, Riddell took and merged into bzr then generated uploads with them rolled in
[07:08] <dholbach> (it wouldn't be the first time when the /+related-software page is lying :-))
[07:08]  * ScottK can +1 maco's involvement with patches for Kubuntu.
[07:08] <dholbach> maco: which of the patches you worked on you enjoyed the most?
[07:08] <persia> (no +related-software lies a lot, which is why I ask)
[07:09] <nixternal> maco: my question is this, how come you haven't done any merges until just now? have you done any sync requests? why did you decide to merge aoetools, and how did you fix the conflict in regards to aoetools.init?
[07:09] <maco> dholbach: sorry, mouse went fubar so im navigating firefox with the tab key ;)
[07:09]  * nixternal can +1 maco's Kubuntu patches as well, as well as her upstream KDE patches
[07:09] <dholbach> persia: alright :)
[07:10] <maco> nixternal: i was going to try a merge a couple weeks ago but i didnt claim it in advance and someone else uploaded it before me, then i got busy with school
[07:10] <nixternal> persia: quite a bit of her packaging work gets merged into larger commits within Kubuntu where the ol' [Maco] tag doesn't cut it in the changelog
[07:10] <maco> dholbach: oh gjiten was a fun one to figure out
[07:10] <persia> nixternal: I figured: from what I can tell, quite a lot of Kubuntu work in general happens that way
[07:10] <nixternal> that list should also include pretty much all of the major kde base packages
[07:11] <maco> yeah kate, kdepim, -workspace....
[07:12] <maco> nixternal: and why aoetools was because i was talking to stevenk and said it was my first one and he suggested that would be a not-too-evil one for a first-try
[07:12] <dholbach> maco: looking back at your "motu journey", what should have been easier?
[07:12] <maco> is quilt a fair answer?
[07:13] <diwic> maco: +1 lol
[07:13] <maco> last uds i decided "no applying to motu til i can use quilt"
[07:13] <dholbach> maco: totally agreed - anything else?
[07:14] <nixternal> heh, I still use my quilt cheat sheet every time I use quilt :)
[07:14] <ajmitch> don't we all?
[07:14] <nixternal> probably
[07:14] <persia> maco: You say that you'd like to work to improve integration between gtk-based packages and KDE (or, possibly Qt-based packages and GNOME).  What specific areas do you think are in most need of improement for this integration?
[07:17] <maco> persia: occasionally different services stomp on each other. the most annoying one i recall was gpg-agent and seahorse-agent getting mixed up and preventing signing emails in kmail in kde. switching from evolution to kontact could certainly be *much* easier though, so i'd kind of like to work on a script or something to make such importing easier
[07:18] <nixternal> I can say that I have uploaded patches and what not for Kubuntu and I believe KDE as well for maco and have yet to have a problem...everything has been good work, though like everyone else, she could be a bit more confident in herself, but at the same time, her cautious ways have helped her create uploadable patches/packages on the first time
[07:18] <maco> dholbach: documentation. i bug ScottK a *lot* with questions
[07:18] <nixternal> and me :p
[07:18] <nixternal> well, I have been gone a bit, so that helps :D
[07:18] <dholbach> maco: then we should definitely start taking notes of what questions get asked mostly
[07:19]  * dholbach doesn't have any more questions
[07:19] <nixternal> dholbach: mutt and search helps with that as well :)
[07:19] <persia> ScottK: You say in your endorsement that you've discussed a number of things with maco that you didn't end up sponsoring.  Were these instances of questions asked, or instances of stuff in the sponsorship queue that was not yet ready to upload?
[07:19] <ScottK> persia: Questions along the way.
[07:19] <nixternal> probably cuz ScottK would point then run like he does sometimes :)
[07:19] <ScottK> Probably.
[07:20] <ScottK> Busy doing stuff that nixternal had promised and not done.
[07:20] <persia> geser: soren nixternal more questions?
[07:20]  * nixternal notes "the teenager is playing with my laptop again" is getting old as an excuse :p
[07:20] <nixternal> persia: I am good
[07:20] <nixternal> ScottK: damn, I tried to not use that excuse :)
[07:21] <geser> no questions
[07:21]  * persia decides to trust soren> I haven't a coherent thought in my head, so I'll spare you all my nonsense, and go to bed. G'night, all.
[07:21] <nixternal> heh, g'nite persia
[07:21] <persia> [VOTE] Mackenzie Morgan to become MOTU
[07:21] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Mackenzie Morgan to become MOTU.
[07:21] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[07:21] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[07:22] <dholbach> +1
[07:22] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[07:22] <nixternal> +1
[07:22] <persia> +1
[07:22] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[07:22] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[07:22] <geser> +1
[07:22] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[07:22] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[07:22] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[07:22] <dholbach> congratulations maco! welcome to the team! :)
[07:22] <maco> :D
[07:22] <maco> yay thank you!
[07:22] <ScottK> maco: Congrat
[07:22] <nixternal> congrats maco and welcome! now get to merging!
[07:22] <ScottK> s
[07:22] <wgrant> maco: Congrats.
[07:22] <maco> nixternal: hehe or sponsoring?
[07:22]  * maco hugs everybody
[07:22]  * persia doesn't see dobey about
[07:23] <jussi01> congrats maco!
[07:23]  * dholbach hugs maco back
[07:23] <persia> [TOPIC] MOTU Application of Charlie Smotherman (porthose)
[07:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU Application of Charlie Smotherman (porthose)
[07:24] <dholbach> persia: Per-package upload, iirc
[07:24] <dholbach> "I, Charlie Smotherman, apply for upload rights for packages Quickplay, Upnp-Inspector and Pylirc."
[07:24] <persia> Err, right
[07:24] <dholbach> but let's move on :)
[07:24] <dholbach> porthose_: around? :)
[07:24] <persia> [TOPIC] PPU Application of Charlie Smotherman (porthose)
[07:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  PPU Application of Charlie Smotherman (porthose)
[07:24] <porthose_> hello MC :)
[07:24] <dholbach> hey porthose_, how are you doing?
[07:24] <porthose_> great yourself
[07:24]  * nixternal likes porthose_'s app, I always think of "Meet the Fockers"
[07:25] <dholbach> porthose_: a bit tired to be honest :)
[07:25] <dholbach> but alright
[07:25] <dholbach> porthose_: don't you have upload rights for some packages already?
[07:25] <porthose_> me to really late here
[07:25] <porthose_> yes coherence, ampache and ampache-themes
[07:26] <persia> Yeah, I'm also trying to dig up the records for the last time.
[07:26] <porthose_> quickplay, upnp-inspector and pylirc are additional packages I maintain or co-maintain in debian :)
[07:26] <dholbach> porthose_: this question is not meant to be super-serious but what is your threshold for applying for motu instead of getting more upload rights for specific packages? :-)
[07:27] <persia> porthose_: You seem to be active with quite a number of other packagse as well, based on https://launchpad.net/~cjsmo/+related-software
[07:27]  * nixternal was just wondering the same as dholbach
[07:28] <porthose_> I was going to see how thing go in lucid and then maybe apply :) Unless I should now?
[07:28] <persia> porthose_: Well, tell us your reasoning, and we'll let you know :)
[07:28] <persia> porthose_: To put that differently, what do you think you need to do to apply for MOTU?
[07:28] <porthose_> I feel more confident with my own packages and not so much with other peoples
[07:29] <persia> How do you feel about other people changing the packages you describe as "my own packages"?
[07:30] <porthose_> persia, I don't mind if other improve the packages I care for
[07:30] <porthose_> s/other/others
[07:31] <dholbach> porthose_: do you have plans for caring for more packages? anything you're looking at right now?
[07:32] <porthose_> Yes, I have been conversing with the upstream of buddi, and thinking of possible packaging it :)
[07:33] <persia> porthose_: And do you expect that more packages will end up needing a bit of help in your work on the packages you pay attention to now?
[07:34] <porthose_> persia, I have been taking on packages only when I am confident I have time to care for it.  I try not to let any of the other packages I care for to be neglected
[07:36] <persia> Well, I'm done with questions for a PPU application.
[07:36] <persia> dholbach: nixternal geser ?
[07:37] <dholbach> porthose_: anything that you still find difficult or what makes you less confident with some packages?
[07:37] <nixternal> I don't have any questions relating to technical stuff since I am confident porthose_ knows what he is doing, and the questions dholbach and persia asked reflected my thoughts already
[07:37] <dholbach> (anything specific you can think of?)
[07:38] <geser> no questions which hasn't been asked already
[07:38] <porthose_> dholbach, I still find merges a bit difficult, but I am working on them
[07:39] <dholbach> they can get hairy, but it's good you're pushing yourself "out there" :)
[07:39] <dholbach> that's it from me, done with questions
[07:39] <porthose_> :)
[07:39] <persia> [VOTE] Recommend Charlie Smotherman (porthose) for PPU rights to quickplay, upnp-inspector, and pylirc
[07:39] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Recommend Charlie Smotherman (porthose) for PPU rights to quickplay, upnp-inspector, and pylirc.
[07:39] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[07:39] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[07:39] <persia> +1
[07:39] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[07:40] <dholbach> +1
[07:40] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[07:40] <nixternal> +1
[07:40] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[07:40] <geser> +1
[07:40] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[07:40] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[07:40] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[07:40] <dholbach> congratulations porthose_! :)
[07:41] <porthose_> Thank you MC  :)
[07:41] <persia> porthose_: I do hope we'll see an application with a wider scope next time :)  Just asking for uploads to stuff you maintain in Debian when you're otherwise so active in Ubuntu seems hardly worth a meeting.
[07:41] <nixternal> congrats again porthose_ :)
[07:42] <persia> [TOPIC] Contributing Developer application for David Henningsson (diwic)
[07:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Contributing Developer application for David Henningsson (diwic)
[07:42] <porthose_> persia, My next application will be for MOTU
[07:42] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Diwic/DeveloperApplication
[07:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Diwic/DeveloperApplication
[07:42] <diwic> good morning
[07:42] <dholbach> hey diwic, how are you?
[07:42] <persia> diwic: Good morning.  How do you feel about your application today?
[07:43] <diwic> dholbach: Compared to others in here, I'm alert, sharp, and ready for a new day :-)
[07:43] <diwic> persia: It feels good
[07:44] <diwic> persia: I was happy to get good sponsor comments
[07:45] <dholbach> diwic: I just had a brief look at the work you've been doing - I'm happy you like messing around with the audio world... what's still the biggest problems for you personally three?
[07:47] <diwic> dholbach: personally? Well, I still have things to learn to get to know the audio stack in detail, so I can fix the really hard bugs.
[07:48] <dholbach> sure, so there's nothing particular you're staring at... audio-wise... now? :)
[07:49] <diwic> dholbach: hmm...I have almost finished https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems/KarmicCaveats and in the weekend I'm planning to write an apport hook for audacity
[07:50] <dholbach> diwic: nice
[07:50]  * dholbach 's done with questions
[07:50] <persia> diwic: Other than bug and development work, do you contribute to Ubuntu in other ways?
[07:51] <nixternal> diwic: you state you have 1/2 things in fluidsynth in Debian that needs to be fixed..have you fixed them yet? if not, how long have they gone unfixed and why haven't they been fixed yet?
[07:51] <diwic> nixternal: one of them will be fixed with the next release of FluidSynth, which is underway
[07:52] <diwic> nixternal: the other one is a release to Debian stable so it feels a bit scary ;-)
[07:55] <diwic> persia: that would be a little documentation perhaps, but mostly bug and development work
[07:56] <nixternal> I have no more questions...great feedback!
[07:57] <persia> geser: ?
[07:57] <diwic> persia: I'm also answer contact for audacity / fluidsynth / qarecord
[07:57] <nixternal> just returned from my heart attack....a damn audio file I clicked on about an hour ago started playing with the speakers cranked
[07:57] <geser> still no questions
[07:58] <nixternal> i love it when that happens, all troubleshooting skills go out the window as you look around dumbfounded trying to figure out what the hell to do first
[07:58] <persia> [VOTE] David Henningsson [diwic] to become a Contributing Developer
[07:58] <MootBot> Please vote on:  David Henningsson [diwic] to become a Contributing Developer.
[07:58] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[07:58] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[07:58] <dholbach> +1
[07:58] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[07:58] <nixternal> +1
[07:58] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[07:58] <persia> +1
[07:58] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[07:59] <geser> +1
[07:59] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[07:59] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[07:59] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[07:59] <nixternal> congrats diwic \o/
[07:59] <dholbach> congratulations diwic! :-)
[07:59] <diwic> thanks! :-)
[07:59] <persia> Anyone have anything else we need to consider today?
[07:59] <dholbach> Is there any Rodney Dawes or Scott Howard here?
[07:59]  * diwic hugs everybody
[08:00] <dholbach> then I guess we should
[08:00] <dholbach>  * Decide who is going to Updating process approved applications.
[08:00] <dholbach>  * Update MOTU/Headers/NextMCMeeting.
[08:00] <dholbach>  * Update our team report: MOTU/Council/TeamReport
[08:00] <dholbach> :-)
[08:00] <nixternal> dholbach: that is under fixed items
[08:00] <persia> Yes, but that's what we do at the end :)
[08:01] <persia> So,
[08:01] <maco> diwic: congrats :)
[08:01] <persia> [TOPIC] Decide who is going to Updating process approved applications.
[08:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Decide who is going to Updating process approved applications.
[08:01] <persia> Any volunteers?
[08:01]  * nixternal notes it is 02:01 here and is going to go to bed
[08:01]  * dholbach can do it
[08:01] <persia> dholbach: Thanks!
[08:01] <persia> [TOPIC] Update MOTU/Headers/NextMCMeeting.
[08:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update MOTU/Headers/NextMCMeeting.
[08:01] <persia> I'll do this one
[08:01] <persia> [TOPIC] Update our team report: MOTU/Council/TeamReport
[08:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update our team report: MOTU/Council/TeamReport
[08:02] <persia> anyone?
[08:04] <dholbach> we should probably add "reference meeting log on MC Meeting page" to the fixed items too
[08:04]  * dholbach does that
[08:04] <persia> I've got the page locked :)
[08:04] <dholbach> can you add it? :)
[08:05] <persia> Yep, I'm also cleaning up the agenda.
[08:05] <dholbach> great
[08:05] <dholbach> I'll take care of the rest
[08:05] <dholbach> and somebody else does it next time! :)
[08:05] <persia> I'll do the team report if nobody else wants to, but I'd rather not, as it ought be done when we can link to the emails for the processing.
[08:05] <persia> Cool!.
[08:05] <persia> #endmeeting
[08:05] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 02:05.
[08:06] <nixternal> g'nite all and congrats to all of the new members!
[08:06] <dholbach> nixternal: sleep tight
[08:07] <diwic> nixternal: thanks!


[09:58] <tdr112> treefrob: good to hear about other Christy fans. I have been really liking magic nights
[17:01]  * treefrob loves Christy Moore
[17:02] <treefrob> and Planxty!


[14:50] <justAtempNick> graft: when I telnet, it takes a long time, then says "Press any key to continue....", which then says "Connection to host lost."
[14:51] <graft> press any key to continue..? using command-line telnet?
[14:51] <justAtempNick> so it's not clear to me if there was or wasn't ever a connection
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: whats the message on screen?
[14:51] <justAtempNick> graft: yes, I'm on windows at the moment... which is why I'm so keen to get this iso downloaded
[14:51] <RIPRSC> it's in dutch, but it's in the lines of 'looking up mirror server'
[14:52] <RIPRSC> thing is, it has been doing that for the past 30 minutes
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: what you installing?
[14:52] <graft> justAtempNick: oh ah... hmm, well that's not clear to me either
[14:52] <RIPRSC> kubuntu
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: ah ok. I'd just let it finish
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: check your WWW connection
[14:53] <justAtempNick> graft: I think there's a nice little client for windows, I'll look it up...
[14:53] <RIPRSC> but its stuck at 82% for 30 minutes now
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: can you ping the server ok?
[14:54] <RIPRSC> ActionParsnip: Well, via the live cd I couldnt connect to the internet
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: are you installing from WWW
[14:54] <RIPRSC> i dont understand the question :(
[14:54] <ere4si> doesn't it look for language packs around 80%?
[14:55] <graft> justAtempNick: what aboot nmap? any chance of that?
[14:55] <RIPRSC> in the title bar it says it's configuring apt
[14:55] <justAtempNick> graft: nmap, I don't know it winXP has it... I'll look
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: ok gimme a sec. thats a useful tidbit :)
[14:55] <RIPRSC> ActionParsnip: what do you mean by installing from WWW
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: got it!
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: You should switch to console by pressing "Ctrl+Alt+F2". Then you can use "ps ax" command to list all the processes and find "http" process. What you should do is kill this proess.
[14:58] <justAtempNick> graft: I've got PuTTY, what type of connection, Raw, SSH, telnet, Rlogin, or Serial?
[14:59] <RIPRSC> how do i kill that process?
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: kill <process id>
[14:59] <graft> justAtempNick: this is probably a fruitless line of investigation anyway... i was just trying to see if you can get to that port... but i guess try a raw connection with putty, see if it works
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> ps -ef | grep http is probably more use
[15:00] <RIPRSC> thing is, i cant find the http process, i get a whole list and http probably is at the top of it, wich i cant see
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> what do you get from ps -ef | grep http
[15:00] <justAtempNick> RIPRSC: ps ax | grep http
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> ?
[15:02] <RIPRSC> three processes, do i have to kill grep http?
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC: no cos its not running now. it ends when that output is complete
[15:03] <Autoscum> Hello, everyone. :)
[15:03] <Nyad> Hi I have an nvidia driver problem. I installed the nvidia driver for my 8800GT but kubuntu tells me it is a vesa generic driver
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> RIPRSC:  just kill one of the http processes then CTRL+ALT_G1 to get back to gui
[15:03] <Autoscum> I've got a problem with starting Add/Remove Programs. It won't start at all.
[15:03] <Nyad> it doesn't even register as an 8800GT. whereas nvidia x config does
[15:03] <Autoscum> (:D)
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> Nyad:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:03] <graft> ALT_G1?
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> G1 == F1 (d'oh)
[15:04] <justAtempNick> Nyad: which driver did you install
[15:04] <graft> Nyad: is that that restricted drivers manager thing?
[15:04] <Nyad> the one from the nvidia site
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> anyway I'm out
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> peace
[15:05] <Autoscum> My Adept doesn't want to run either. o.0 I'm running the new 8.04 Beta.
[15:05] <justAtempNick> Nyad: I just tried installing the one from the nbidia site, and now my installition is hosed...
[15:06] <justAtempNick> Nyad: I'm also keen to get this sorted!
[15:06] <Nyad> also got an 8800GT?
[15:06] <justAtempNick> 8600
[15:06] <Nyad> whats wrong doesn't x boot up?
[15:06] <justAtempNick> yeap
[15:06] <neville_> Just switch your driver to vesa
[15:07] <neville_> And it will boot normally, with a GUI
[15:07] <neville_> Only, 2D acceleration
[15:07] <Nyad> neville_: I got that fixed but the problem is it only uses visa. I want the nvidia one
[15:07] <flipstar> Nyad: how did you installed the nvidia drivers ?
[15:08] <neville_> Well, install the nvidia driver through the restricted driver manager, Envy, or by hand
[15:08] <Nyad> ActionParsnip told me to type this.  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I did but I'm not sure if I must select nv or nvidia
[15:08] <neville_> And if it doesn't select it manually, select nvidia
[15:08] <neville_> nv is 2D, nvidia is 3D
[15:08] <justAtempNick> Nyad: no doubt you spend a good little bit, to wined up w/ just 2D
[15:08] <Nyad> went to init 3 or 1 and typed sudo sh file.run
[15:08] <graft> not really... nv is open source, nvidia is propietary
[15:08] <Autoscum> Also, when I type kdesu adept in the console it says "sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Mar 27 18:55:04 2008"
[15:09] <neville_> Yet, nv is a 2D driver, nvidia is the 3D driver
[15:09] <flipstar> Nyad: the installation there was succesful ?
[15:09] <Autoscum> Hmm...
[15:09] <Nyad> yes
[15:09] <luca> ooo
[15:09] <Nyad> well not quite
[15:09] <flipstar> ..?
[15:09] <Nyad> you see there were driver conflicts
[15:09] <Nyad> so I had to edit a file and disable the nv driver
[15:09] <luca> hello
[15:10] <flipstar> Nyad: did you installed something before ?
[15:10] <graft> driver conflicts?
[15:10] <algyz> Nyad:  think sudo nvidia-xconfig can do it for you
[15:11] <Nyad> no that was the only driver I installed
[15:11] <Nyad> I did this now. but I don't know what my bus ID is? sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:12] <shadowbox> hey there
[15:12] <shadowbox> how can I unmute my sound via konsole?
[15:12] <flipstar> shadowbox: use alsamixer
[15:12] <algyz> !sound | shadowbox
[15:12] <ubotu> shadowbox: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[15:12] <shadowbox> ok thanks
[15:13] <justAtempNick> I see that 8.04 now has crypto on / support.  I'm going to update my 7.10 to 8.04 and I have a Reiser over LVM settup, will I be able to convert to crypto during the update?
[15:14] <flipstar> probably not
[15:14] <justAtempNick> flipstar: that's my thought, but it doesn't hurt to ask
[15:14] <Dr_willis> I would be VERY impressed if it did.
[15:16] <justAtempNick> Dr_willis: perhaps if I blow away /?  Then I could make a new /home post install
[15:17] <justAtempNick> the only thing that worries me is the LVM
[15:17] <RIPRSC> i already asked this a few mins back, but it didnt work and the guy helping me left. I'm installing kubuntu, but the installer is stuck at 82%. in the titlebar it says configuring apt, and in the other part of the screen it says looking up mirror servers. What is wrong?
[15:18] <flipstar> RIPRSC: you installing 7.10 due alternate cd ?
[15:18] <RIPRSC> flipstar: im using the livecd
[15:18] <graft> RIPRSC: can you pastebin the output of ps -ef?
[15:19] <RIPRSC> i cant connect to the internet with it, wich probably is the problem
[15:20] <flipstar> RIPRSC: you might deselect the internet resources in sources.list
[15:21] <flipstar> RIPRSC: or try to disable the network with sudo ifdown -a
[15:21] <flipstar> maybe a timeout will then appear
[15:21] <algyz> RIPRSC:  also sometimes wise decision to use alternate cd
[15:22] <RIPRSC> flipstar: indeed, i get a time out. but i cant read it, because when i switch back from the console my screen is all blurry
[15:22] <RIPRSC> flipstar: it says something about a security update
[15:22] <Dr_willis> justAtempNick,  ive learn to not even toy with that stuff.. :) heh i keep my partitions and filesystems simple.
[15:23] <Dr_willis> but i dont gain much from lvm/reiser/raid and so forth on my simple desktop systems
[15:24] <RIPRSC> flipstar: it works now, thanks.
[15:24] <justAtempNick> Dr_willis: I think you've right, but I do have a lot of disks
[15:24] <Dr_willis> a lot for what?
[15:24] <justAtempNick> hard drives
[15:24] <Dr_willis> you need one huge uber-tb sidzed partition? :)
[15:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> define a lot
[15:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've got 5 hard drives sitting in my desktop - works just fine as individual partitions
[15:25] <Dr_willis> I could replace like every HD i got in my main box. with .. like 1 or 2 new hd;s :)  and i have 5 in there now..
[15:25] <justAtempNick> I think I've got 4
[15:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's not a lot
[15:25] <Dr_willis> I had 8 hds in one box once.. heh - i replaced them all with 2 hd;s (
[15:26] <Dr_willis> i now have quite a few USB enclosuers with the old hds  for backup backups. ;)
[15:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's just depressing...  i could replace the 5 i have with 3 (really close to being able to do it with 2, but not quite)
[15:26] <Dr_willis> whats the price for 1tb hds now? :)
[15:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh, i didn't even figure tb hard drives
[15:27] <flipstar> 2x500 is still cheaper :)
[15:27] <Dr_willis> 500's were in the 100$ range arent they?  seen them for that price on sale a few mo ago.
[15:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> i was maxing at 750gb
[15:27] <Dr_willis> whats a 750 run anyway?
[15:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> not even sure
[15:27] <Dr_willis> I tend to just get whats a value/on sale.
[15:27] <TeslaTony> ~$300-400 for terabyte drives. Right now the 500gb drives are both cheaper and more reliable for the space
[15:27] <Dr_willis> grabbed a 400gb for $40 the other day
[15:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> all i know is that 1.64tb is barely enough space
[15:28] <Dr_willis> If i backup all my video files to dvd.. i dont need as much hd space. :P
[15:28] <Dr_willis> for a few months.. then it fills up
[15:28] <flipstar> Daisuke_Laptop: not nessesary..
[15:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> TeslaTony: most definitely, i let the early adopters iron out stability and performance issues :)
[15:28] <shadowbox> sata or ide?
[15:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> er.. what's not necessary?
[15:28] <flipstar> 1.6tb
[15:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> for you maybe
[15:28] <flipstar> enough
[15:29] <flipstar> a few hd movies takes still 100gb here
[15:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> let's just say that there's a whole lot there :)
[15:30] <TeslaTony> Daisuke_Laptop: It has less to do with early adopters than the multiple vs. single drive debate. If you're looking for 1.5 TB, three drives are more reliable than one. Mostly, though, 500GB drives are the cheapest for the size.
[15:30] <flipstar> only those..thats crazy!
[15:30] <phil__> i need help
[15:30] <phil__> how do i update my java 6??
[15:30] <shadowbox> I believe ise only goes to 750gig from there is sata only
[15:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> i rip all of my tv dvds to the hard drive because i watch them streamed through a media box in the living room
[15:30] <shadowbox> ide I mean
[15:31] <justAtempNick> graft: I've downloaded nmap, and I can get to port 6969 on torrent.ubuntu.com
[15:31] <justAtempNick> graft: so why doesn't the tracker work for me?
[15:32] <bbeck> If anyone is using konqueror 4.0.2, can you got to www.pidgin.im without the browser crashing?
[15:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> TeslaTony: but in a year, if you want 3tb, 3 1tb drives are going to be more reliable than a single 3tb drive (just making up numbers)
[15:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> but the concept is there
[15:32] <flipstar> phil__: java6 is the latest
[15:32] <Dr_willis> like flying an airplane with 4 engines.. vs one with ONE huge engine.. :)
[15:32] <Dr_willis> untill the hd that dies is the one you really really wanted to keep..
[15:33] <justAtempNick> bbeck: I like kde, but I stick to firefox, no real point in messing with konq
[15:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> and that's why redundancy is still the best policy for redundancy
[15:33] <TeslaTony> Daisuke_Laptop: In a year, we're going to be sitting around saying "Man...I'm just running out of space! I've got so much on here, y'know? A petabyte just isn't enough"
[15:33] <phil__> ???????/
[15:33] <phil__> HELLO HOW DO I UPDATE JAVA 6 SO I CAN GET FROST WIRE TO WORK
[15:33] <shadowbox> yea, but if its speed you want.. a 15,000 rpm scsi drive is what you want
[15:33] <flipstar> for important data you need a backup of the backup backuped
[15:34] <graft> justAtempNick: is it filtered? or open?
[15:34] <flipstar> phil__: install sun-java6-jre
[15:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> TeslaTony: it's always been that way.  i remember my first hard drive..  20mb, and it seemed so huge at the time
[15:34]  * TeslaTony snickers
[15:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> phil__: well you can start by not yelling.
[15:34] <justAtempNick> graft: it says open, for tcp
[15:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> TeslaTony: yes, i'm old.
[15:34] <Dr_willis> !java | phil__
[15:34] <ubotu> phil__: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[15:34] <TeslaTony> I had a guy at work talking about his 20MB drives...a pair he bought for about $2000 total
[15:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep
[15:34] <Dr_willis> phil__,  i normally just install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package.
[15:35] <justAtempNick> C:\Documents and Settings\Thomas>nmap -p6969 torrent.ubuntu.com
[15:35] <justAtempNick> Starting Nmap 4.60 ( http://insecure.org ) at 2008-03-27 22:30 SE Asia Standard
[15:35] <graft> justAtempNick: hmm. i'm not sure... and using DHT doesn't work?
[15:35] <justAtempNick> Time
[15:35] <justAtempNick> Interesting ports on magellanic.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>):
[15:35] <justAtempNick> PORT     STATE SERVICE
[15:35] <graft> justAtempNick: use pastebin man
[15:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> !paste | justAtempNick
[15:35] <Dr_willis> using nmap from dos? :)
[15:35] <ubotu> justAtempNick: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> not even real DOS
[15:36] <RIPRSC> is it normal that after you instal kubuntu as a dual boot, and start up vista, it checks the hdd?
[15:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> RIPRSC: did you resize the vista partition?
[15:36] <RIPRSC> yea i did
[15:36] <RIPRSC> well
[15:36] <Dr_willis> RIPRSC,  if the linux installer resized.. Yes it is normal
[15:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep, it's normal
[15:36] <yao_ziyuan> old question: package database locked
[15:36] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix
[15:36] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:37] <yao_ziyuan> man, this command should be integrated to APT front-ends
[15:37] <TeslaTony> RIPRSC: Is it Vista checking or Linux checking? Linux checks my HD every 30 mounts or so. Either way, unless you're getting major interference, you're OK
[15:38] <flipstar> yao_ziyuan: it will...someday
[15:38] <flipstar> or at least in ksysguard
[15:38] <Dr_willis> put it in rc.local? so every reboot fixs it.. he hheh
[15:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i can cancel the hd check now!
[15:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> (easily)
[15:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> that was always a thorn in my side
[15:39] <flipstar> why dont setting an senseful value with tune2fs ?
[15:40] <Dr_willis> i found 30 to be senseable..
[15:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> last semester, it seemed like every time i was running behind and needed to get something done like NOW, i would boot up the laptop and get "checking disks..." which takes forever.
[15:40] <flipstar> remember "you can tune most filesystems, but you cant tune a fish"
[15:40] <Dr_willis> i do tend to stagger my various hds one is every 30, other is every 35. or so on..
[15:40] <RIPRSC> TeslaTony: it was vista
[15:40] <kubuntu_rules> hello folks
[15:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> so i can now just let it do the check on the next boot, and get what i need to do, done.
[15:40] <flipstar> since my pc starts nearly every day it isnt senseful to me..
[15:41] <Dr_willis> i tend to boot mine several times a day...
[15:41] <TeslaTony> I wouldn't mind a HD check every boot if it weren't for the fact that I've been having trouble with my wifi card thats been requiring a few reboots
[15:41] <Dr_willis> rarely have an issue.
[15:41] <kubuntu_rules> someone knows some good 1st person shooter games for ubuntu?
[15:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> laptop yes, desktop hasn't been rebooted in *almost* two months
[15:41] <SlimeyPete> I just disable the check
[15:41] <flipstar> kubuntu_rules: nexuiz
[15:41] <Dr_willis> kubuntu_rules,  alien arena 2008 just got released a few weeks ago
[15:41] <TeslaTony> Oh, yeah...and I dual-boot XP, which can make things annoying
[15:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> kubuntu_rules: nexuiz, tremulous, alien arena, openarena
[15:41] <phil__> i just ran frostwire in the terminal and itt said it could not find sunjava 6 which i just got
[15:41] <Dr_willis> Savage2 - finially has a Linux client out and a free DEMO.. on their web site.
[15:41] <kubuntu_rules> thanx :)
[15:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> phil__: frostwire is a joke anyway.
[15:42] <phil__> i dint give a shit
[15:42] <Dr_willis> phil__,  check the java -version command, see what java is being used.
[15:42] <phil__> i use the mirc
[15:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> !language
[15:42] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[15:42] <kubuntu_rules> just got linux... think its VERY great :) lot more fun than windows
[15:43] <RIPRSC> it can be me, but i have a feeling vista boots really slow now
[15:43] <phil__> how wud i do that?
[15:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> RIPRSC: are you sure?  it *is* vista, after all -_-
[15:43] <Dr_willis> phil__,  type it in a terminal.
[15:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> but after the first boot after installing linux, it will probably be slower
[15:43] <TeslaTony> kubuntu_rules: Welcome to the tuxedo-clad ranks of the masochistic computer elite. You're going to like t here.
[15:44] <kubuntu_rules> thanx
[15:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> should pick up after that
[15:44] <RIPRSC> it's working alright now, thanks for your help guys. maby ill be back later
[15:44] <phil__> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: _version
[15:44] <phil__>    at gnu.java.lang.MainThread.run(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: _version not found in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader{urls=[file:./], parent=gnu.gcj.runtime.ExtensionClassLoader{urls=[], parent=null}}
[15:44] <phil__>    at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__>    at gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader.findClass(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__>    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__>    at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(libgcj.so.81)
[15:44] <phil__>    at gnu.java.lang.MainThread.run(libgcj.so.81)
[15:45] <Dr_willis> phil__,   thats from 'java -version' ?
[15:45] <phil__> yepp
[15:45] <flipstar> not --version .. ?
[15:45] <Dr_willis> looks like you might be runnign the gnu java, not the sun one.  but thats still dosent make sence
[15:45] <kubuntu_rules> i will try finding open arena, tremulous ,alien arena etc... see ya later good people :) LINUX ROCK's :)
[15:45] <Dr_willis> java iuses -version, NOT --version
[15:45] <Dr_willis> dont ask me why. :) at least i think its -version
[15:45] <flipstar> yes it is
[15:45] <SlimeyPete> it is -version
[15:45] <Dr_willis> just installed clean here.. installing java now.
[15:46] <flipstar> i asked if he accidently typed --version ..
[15:46] <u0750762> hola
[15:46] <graft> good thing everyone has such consistent conventions about flags
[15:47] <Dr_willis> posix standard vs. not.. is the long and short of it.
[15:47] <phil__> java version "1.5.0"
[15:47] <phil__> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.2.1 (Ubuntu 4.2.1-5ubuntu5)
[15:47] <phil__> Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[15:47] <phil__> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
[15:47] <phil__> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[15:47] <Dr_willis> try X --version or X --help
[15:47] <phil__> there
[15:47] <Dr_willis> You are using the GNU java, you need to enable the SUN java for frostwire and other apps to work propelry
[15:47] <Dr_willis> the !java factoid site. shows how. :)
[15:48] <phil__> ok
[15:48] <Dr_willis> gij (GNU libgcj) = Not suns java.
[15:48] <phil__> !java
[15:48] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[15:48]  * Dr_willis wonders why everyone alwyas pastes ALL the useless lines for the java -version output. :)
[15:48] <flipstar> everyone..?
[15:48] <TeslaTony> Dr_willis: Because the universe probably is out to get you
[15:49] <Dr_willis> flipstar,  its amazing the # of times i see the   Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc... and so  on. :)
[15:49] <Dr_willis> TeslaTony,  i KNEW IT@!
[15:49]  * Dr_willis starts ircing with TOR!
[15:49] <flipstar> thats quit difficult..
[15:50] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[16:07] <algyz> I'm trying to play .avi file with kaffeine, it is suddenly stopping for a short time and then continuing, like spasm. I hope it's not the file problem, but wonder, why it could happen, maybe anybody knows?
[16:10] <trappist> algyz: you could troubleshoot by trying in another media player, like mplayer, and see if you get the same results
[16:10] <trappist> algyz: also if you play it with mplayer from the command line you'll get pretty verbose output on the console
[16:11] <algyz> good idea, thanks
[16:12] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[16:13] <tekstacy> What do I use to take a screenshot?
[16:13] <algyz> Just tried vlc, it works good, so something wrong with kaffeine
[16:13] <algyz> tekstacy:  apt-cache search screenshot ;)
[16:13] <neville_> No
[16:13] <flipstar> vlc brings it own codecs afaik
[16:13] <neville_> KSnapshot? :P
[16:14] <tekstacy> algyz,   shoulda tried that first I guess  :)
[16:14] <Arwen> flipstar, on Kubuntu, VLC is linked against ffmpeg and a bunch of other libs
[16:14] <tekstacy> neville,  thanks
[16:14] <Arwen> so it does not "use its own codecs"
[16:14] <algyz> tekstacy:  ksnapshot - screenshot utility for KDE
[16:16] <flipstar> hm then it was a rudiment from windoze i guess
[16:18] <algyz> something wrong with my kaffeine 0.8.6, I'll check this later on :)
[16:20] <dthacker-work> tekstacy: My personal favorite is Ksnapshot
[16:21] <dthacker-work> which reminds me.  Winter is nearly over, I need a nice spring theme for my desktop
[16:23] <flipstar> mine changes every 15 minutes :)
[16:28] <lukas__> Ahoj, tohle je moje první spuštění irc, jinak jsem vždy rady hledal na foru, ted bych potreboval trochu pomoci s pripojenim fotoaparatu
[16:40] <algyz> !cz | lukas__
[16:40] <ubotu> lukas__: České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[16:51] <sourcemaker> I am testing the new kubuntu beta version... do I need a clean fresh install when the official release is out...
[16:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> no
[16:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> the rolling upgrades will have you up to the same release as the final by the time it comes out.
[16:54] <sourcemaker> Daisuke_Ido: so...  I only update my system via apt-get dist-upgrade? or do I perform a "do-release-upgrade"?
[16:54] <hf> que sera lo recomendable para bajar los videos desde youtube con kubuntu? para quien pueda ayudarme
[16:55] <sourcemaker> hf: there is a plugin available for firefox...
[16:57] <hf> and where is this donde lo consigo?
[16:59] <hf> sourcemaker que sera lo recomendable para bajar los videos desde youtube con kubuntu? para quien pueda ayudarme
[16:59] <sourcemaker> hf: I do not speak your language... sorry
[17:00] <tomi> hello
[17:00] <tomi> hello
[17:00] <hf> i dont speak english
[17:01] <yakuzi> i thought there was a spanish/portugues help-channel
[17:01] <spiroo> How do I change language in KDE4 systemsettings. I have installed swedish, but I can only see US English in the regional list :S *nobody answer in kubuntu-kde4*
[17:01] <TeslaTony> !es
[17:01] <ubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:02] <hf> aaaaaaaaaaaaah ok...! sorry thanks
[17:10] <flipstar> is it somehow someway possible to block certain applications from accessing the internet ?
[17:11] <BunnyRevolution> flipstar, yes
[17:11] <flipstar> cool :)
[17:12] <johann> hi everyone
[17:12] <flipstar> BunnyRevolution: would you reveal me how ? ¦ - )
[17:14] <flipstar> BunnyRevolution: i would give you a cookie.. deal ?
[17:16] <johann> im in trouble with swap partitions...i changed the position of my swap partition. it was on sda1, now its sda5. i also changed it in /etc/fstab but on boot kinit says http://phpfi.com/305669
[17:16] <johann> and then it doenst continue to boot
[17:47] <waynrdude> are new printers usually supported in kubuntu or does it require an update first
[17:47] <waynrdude> !printers
[17:47] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[17:54] <_Shade_> anyone here on hardy?
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> _Shade_: #ubuntu+1
[17:58] <waynrdude> !games\
[17:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about games\ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:58] <waynrdude> !games
[17:58] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[18:02] <justAtempNick_> I'm downloading 8.04 with jigdo, and 187 files are missing, with error 404: not found
[18:02] <ScorpKing> does anyone use bash scripts in /cgi-bin/ on an apache server? i get "malformed header from script." in error.log but the script works in bash.
[18:02] <tzd> is it possible to have a running program hidden in the kde panel for a specific desktop please?
[18:03] <justAtempNick> I'm downloading 8.04 with jigdo, and 187 files are missing, with error 404: not found
[18:06] <vistalite> Jucato: thanks for the purple colour scheme btw i noticed it later in my logs :) love it thanks
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> justAtempNick: ask in #ubuntu+1
[18:11] <nitin> i downloaded mplayerthumbs and when i try to open video file it displays this message, 'Error openin/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device."  I am waiting for help
[18:17] <ScorpKing> nitin: it might be a permission problem but don't know for sure
[18:18] <nitin> ScorpKing, is mplayer also based on xine
[18:19] <ScorpKing> nitin: no idea. i use vlc and kaffeine
[18:19] <nitin> when i tried to install suggested packages for mplayerthumbs, it said no installation candidate for w32codecs
[18:21] <ScorpKing> !info w32codecs
[18:21] <Trey> hey all
[18:22] <ScorpKing> hi Trey
[18:22] <jussi01> !w32codecs
[18:22] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[18:24] <Trey> any clue why i kubuntu would hang on boot from live dvd?
[18:25] <ScorpKing> Trey: boot the cd and press <f6> and remove "quiet splash" from the kernel line. select "start or install kubuntu" and see if any errors shows up
[18:27] <Trey> ok
[18:29] <nitin> now i'm able to download w32codecs
[18:35]  * arriesp hi
[18:36] <enver555> hi
[18:36] <enver555> i have a problem with Hardy
[18:36] <enver555> on my Thinkpad
[18:37] <SlimeyPete> !hardy
[18:37] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:37] <SlimeyPete> ^^ you may have more luck in #ubuntu+1
[18:37] <enver555> ok thanks SlimePete
[18:37] <arriesp> someone knows a program to convert some .avi files to .mpg at the same time?
[18:38] <Aikurn> try kde-apps.org
[18:39] <Piero_Scaruffi> hello
[18:39] <Piero_Scaruffi> question i have direct rendering enabled in Kubuntu is this enough to play 3D games?
[18:39] <SlimeyPete> Piero_Scaruffi: yes, as long as your card supports opengl
[18:40] <Piero_Scaruffi> i dont know SlimeyPete its a ati radeon 9600 i am a novice user of linux Kubuntu
[18:40] <Piero_Scaruffi> so how do i find out
[18:40] <SlimeyPete> yes, that card will be fine
[18:40] <SlimeyPete> run glxgears and check that it runs smoothly
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> because when i enable the proprietary ati driver my system will become really slow and laggy
[18:41] <SlimeyPete> really? Oh dear
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> so i am using the open source driver now
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> yes
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> it does
[18:41] <SlimeyPete> the proprietary ATI drivers aren't very good, unfortauntely
[18:41] <Piero_Scaruffi> yeah no kidding :)
[18:41] <SlimeyPete> hopefully this will improve soon as they have released some open-source drivers.
[18:41] <SlimeyPete> but for the moment they're a bit rubbish.
[18:42] <Piero_Scaruffi> well i play few games on pc and more on my Wii but still i wanted to replay vice city gta via wine without having to reinstall xp
[18:42] <SlimeyPete> well, the best thing to do is install a 3D game and try it out, really
[18:42] <Piero_Scaruffi> i will try and see
[18:42] <Piero_Scaruffi> yeah thanks
[18:46] <Trey_> ok according to the f6 it already has quiet splash
[18:49] <Trey_> ok so the live dvd hangs at the same spot
[18:50] <Trey_> it goes through 2 sets of windows one with the kubuntu logo on it and it loads stuff then just a black and white window where it loads stuff then it shows the kubuntu logo again and a load bar and it dose nothing
[18:51] <Trey_> what sohout i do next
[18:53] <Trey_> hello knock knock anyone there
[18:53] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[18:54] <SlimeyPete> sounds like kubuntu doesn't like your graphics hardware, Trey_
[18:54] <SlimeyPete> what card do you have?
[18:54] <Trey_> nvidia 8600M GS
[18:56] <jackault> is there a way to watch a folder for changes and have the system alert you when there's activity in it?
[18:56] <SlimeyPete> Trey_: well, your best bet might be to use the Alternate CD. It has a text-mode installer. Once the system is installed you can install the official nvidia drivers. Hopefully they'll work better.
[18:58] <SlimeyPete> the default driver is an open source one called "nv" and doesn't always work.
[18:58] <SlimeyPete> though it does usually
[18:58] <Trey_> ok
[19:18] <puercolioss> i want download the Kubuntu 8.04 Beta which version should pick? beta alternate o beta desktop??
[19:19] <jussi01> puercolioss: hardy stuff in #ubuntu+1 but, you can choose either, one is a "live" cd and one is text based
[19:20] <jussi01> desktop=live
[19:21] <puercolioss> ok man
[19:22] <pvalley> hello is there any way of removing the trashcan from kicker and placing it on the desktop?
[19:24] <pvalley> I have googled but not getting much
[19:25] <jussi01> pvalley: there is a way, I cant remember it though :/
[19:25] <ubuntu_> hi
[19:25] <jussi01> sorry.
[19:25] <jussi01> hi
[19:25] <ubuntu_> i have downloaded a kbuntu 7.10
[19:25] <ubuntu_> when i try to install whit the icon on desktop
[19:26] <darkphader> how to remove "switch user" and also the "hibernate" option?
[19:26] <ubuntu_> the install windows closes automatlicaly
[19:26] <pvalley> ok thanks will keep googling around then
[19:27] <ubuntu_> hello, somebody can help me_
[19:27] <ubuntu_> _
[19:28] <Dragonath> what's wrong ubuntu_?
[19:28] <ubuntu_> i cannot instal kubuntu 7.1
[19:28] <ubuntu_> im using live cd
[19:28] <Dragonath> ok
[19:29] <Dragonath> so when you hit install it doesn't really work?
[19:29] <ubuntu_> yes, appears a windows, but it closes in a few seconds
[19:30] <Dragonath> and it gives no errors?
[19:30] <ubuntu_> no error
[19:31] <Dragonath> if you right click on the icon, and hit properties, does it say anything about what command it calls?
[19:31] <ubuntu_> ubiquity kde_ui
[19:32] <Dragonath> try opening konsole and running the command in there
[19:32] <Dragonath> that way if there is any error you can see it
[19:33] <ubuntu_> the same
[19:34] <ubuntu_> the windows opens and closes
[19:34] <Dragonath> no error at all?
[19:34] <ubuntu_> nop
[19:34] <Dragonath> ok
[19:34] <Dragonath> if you do a "pstree | grep ubiquity" what does it say?
[19:43] <ubuntu_> hey Dragonath how to install from console
[19:44] <nosrednaekim> !alternate
[19:44] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD.  Look for the alternate checkbox on the Ubuntu download page - See also !minimal
[19:45] <so> hello
[19:45] <ubuntu_> is kubuntu for 64bits architecture
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: you can get that, yes
[19:46] <algyz> ubuntu_:  there is
[19:48] <sourcemaker> Linux is still the best operation system... :-) I know... that I can create an textfile with all installed software components in apt... It is possible to migrate this list to the current beta software 8.4 or will this break my system?
[19:48] <ubuntu_> but should i download a 64 bit version
[19:48] <algyz> ubuntu_:  you shouldn't, but you can
[19:49] <algyz> ubuntu_:  I would offer to do this if you have >3 GB of RAM
[19:49] <ubuntu_> i downloaded a 32 bit, is there my problem
[19:49] <ubuntu_> i cannot install
[19:50] <ubuntu_> maybe a 64 bits version runs fine?
[19:50] <algyz> ubuntu_:  what kind of problem, it shouldn't be, i'm using 32 bit on athlon 64 bit without problems
[19:50] <ubuntu_> but i cannot install!!
[19:50] <boss> бля куда я попал ?
[19:51] <algyz> !ru | boss
[19:51] <ubotu> boss: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[19:51] <algyz> ubuntu_:  use alternate
[19:52] <algyz> boss:  иди туда, сам знаешь куда :)
[19:52] <ubuntu_> i dont wanna use this
[19:52] <ubuntu_> it should runs!
[19:53] <boss> algyz:  спасибо френд - блин ..
[19:53] <pyro_17> shoot tranlucency is boggin the system down
[19:53] <algyz> ubuntu_:  remember, kubuntu comes with no warranty ;)
[19:54] <haddons> ?
[20:06] <yovan> hi everyone
[20:06] <yovan> i had a question
[20:07] <yovan> how to install oracle 10 g on kubuntu
[20:10] <trappist> yovan: that'll probably take some work.  I think oracle has a built-in list of distros it'll install on, and I doubt kubuntu's on the list
[20:14] <MikeyLDS> hi all
[20:14] <MikeyLDS> i need help
[20:14] <MikeyLDS> accessing a ext3 drive in windows
[20:15] <_myrtille_> !ext3
[20:15] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[20:15] <_myrtille_> it works :D
[20:16] <_myrtille_> !ext3 >MikeyLDS
[20:34] <davedorm> is there a way when installing Kubuntu to tell it NOT to install a certain package when loading the livecd?
[20:35] <davedorm> powernowd locks my PC
[20:35] <davedorm> I tried noacpi
[20:35] <davedorm> I tried acpi=off
[20:35] <davedorm> but it's not an acpi issue
[20:35] <boss> ру
[20:36] <boss> оп ру блин
[20:36] <jussi01> !ru | boss
[20:36] <ubotu> boss: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[20:36] <boss> jussi01:  thx
[20:37] <jussi01> davedorm: try using the alternate cd
[20:37] <davedorm> tried it
[20:37] <davedorm> don't work
[20:37] <wad> I'm curious about something. I type in a command, and kubuntu tells me that it's available in this package. Is there a command-line way to get a description of the package?
[20:37] <davedorm> there is no way to choose packages
[20:38] <davedorm> and it installs powenowd by default
[20:38] <davedorm> so when it goes into x? phhhhhhhht..... crunchy
[20:38] <davedorm> this is not just Kubuntu, it happens on all the *buntus so far
[20:38] <davedorm> this PC sucks
[20:39] <davedorm> I've tried 7.10, 8.04, and both alternate and live cds
[20:39] <davedorm> I am not a n00b, I have Kubuntu running on other PCs
[20:39] <davedorm> it's judt this one
[20:40] <wad> davedorm: Get a hammer.
[20:40] <wad> ;)
[20:40] <davedorm> heh
[20:40] <davedorm> I would if this was an old clunker
[20:40] <davedorm> but it's a Pentium D 3.33GHz so it is not a BAD PC
[20:40] <davedorm> it is just a little bit non-standard, I guess
[20:41] <davedorm> and I cannot find anything to work *buntu
[20:41] <davedorm> I was able to install Debian
[20:41] <davedorm> but I don't *want* Debian
[20:43] <davedorm> I *want* Kubuntu
[20:43] <algyz> everybody wants ;)
[20:43] <ubuntu_> how do you install the linux?
[20:47] <hellhound> Can anyone help me with my xorg.conf.  I have installed Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon on a desktop that has two Samsung SyncMaster 940bw connected to two separate nVidia G80 GeForce 8600 GT (PCI:1:0:0 and PCI:4:0:0)  I am trying to set up so both monitors work.   The installation process automatically set up one monitor up, but I cannot seem to figure out how to set up the second.  My xorg.conf is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61250/ and my
[20:47] <hellhound> startx response is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61252/
[20:48] <noaXess> !dualboot
[20:48] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[20:55] <Aubustou> hello
[20:55] <Aubustou> i have a problem with knetworkmanager
[20:56] <Aubustou> for some reasons, it doesn't want to scan the available ap
[21:12] <FFForever> how can i find all files over 100mb via the terminal?
[21:13] <jpatrick> FFForever: well, "du" tells you the file size..
[21:18] <mark__> hello
[21:19] <mark__> hey all. i have a nickname which i set up the other week. how can i use this nickname in this chat???
[21:20] <hellhound> Can anyone help me with my xorg.conf.  I have installed Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon on a desktop that has two Samsung SyncMaster 940bw connected to two separate nVidia G80 GeForce 8600 GT (PCI:1:0:0 and PCI:4:0:0)  I am trying to set up so both monitors work.   The installation process automatically set up one monitor up, but I cannot seem to figure out how to set up the second.  My xorg.conf is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61250/ and my
[21:20] <hellhound> startx response is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61252/
[21:20] <jpatrick> mark__: /nick nickYouHad
[21:21] <rickest> mark__:  try '/msg nickserv' for help on registering a nick
[21:21] <rickest> er, /msg nickserv help
[21:21] <mark__> o.k so i need to write in a new line. /msg my nick???
[21:24] <jpatrick> mark__: which nick was it?
[21:25] <rickest> mark__: no, either "/nick [the_nick_you_had]"  or  "/msg nickserv help" to find out how to register a nick
[21:25] <kerry_> how to delete linux from my pc
[21:26] <stefano_> kerry_: you better not :-)
[21:26] <kerry_> why not
[21:26] <kerry_> stefano_: why not ?
[21:27] <stefano_> kerry_: because linux rocks :-)
[21:27] <kerry_> i want to reinstall it
[21:27] <ubuntu_> how do you install the linux?
[21:28] <stefano_> kerry_: did you make a partition for linux or did you install it on a seperate hard drive?
[21:28] <mark__> hey
[21:28] <kerry_> a partition
[21:28] <mark__> my nick is cyferactive
[21:28] <ubuntu_> what is a rick roll and where can i get one?
[21:28] <jpatrick> mark__: type: /nick cyferactive
[21:29] <mark__> i have cyferactive registered.but im still unsure how to use it?>
[21:29] <kerry_> ubuntu_: a partition
[21:29] <cyferactive> o.k
[21:29] <cyferactive> thanx all. I get it now..
[21:30] <stefano_> kerry_: the installer should promt you to select a partition, if you select the same again and tell it to erase (format) it, you new installation will be clean
[21:30] <jpatrick> cyferactive: see: /msg NickServ help identify
[21:30] <stefano_> kerry_: it should also recognise your other operating systems
[21:30] <ubuntu_> the linux is for foreigners
[21:31] <kerry_> stefano_: sorry i do not understand
[21:31] <kerry_> stefano_: can you just give me instructions?
[21:33] <stefano_> kerry_: you installed ubuntu on your computer?
[21:33] <stefano_> or kubuntu
[21:33] <kerry_> stefano_: kubuntu
[21:33] <stefano_> kerry_: just do the same again
[21:33] <cyferactive> g
[21:34] <stefano_> kerry_: you don't have to remove it
[21:34] <kerry_> stefano_: no i want to , i ll reinstall it from my disk
[21:35] <ubuntu_> how do you install the linux?
[21:35] <stefano_> kerry_: if you install it again, the installer will format your existing linux partition
[21:35] <jcfp> !install | ubuntu_
[21:35] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:37] <kerry_> stefano_: how do i find out how much memori the linus is using from my pc?
[21:38] <stefano_> kerry_: are you currently in windows?
[21:38] <kerry_> no i am in linux
[21:39] <stefano_> kerry_: you can use a program called gparted to take a look at your partitioning (partitioning is how your hard drive is devided)
[21:40] <cyferactive> Can anyone suggest a good place to get the user manual and help guide gnome-nettool 2.20.0.
[21:40] <kerry_> 0
[21:41] <kerry_> stefano_and where do i find the Gparted program
[21:45] <kerry_> stefano_:and where do i find the Gparted program
[21:45] <stefano_> !apt
[21:45] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[21:45] <stefano_> !Synaptic
[21:45] <stefano_> !Adept
[21:45] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[21:45] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[21:46] <stefano_> there you go kerry_ hope that helps you
[21:47] <kerry_>  stefano_:wich link
[21:47] <stefano_> kerry_: sorry
[21:47] <stefano_> kerry_: i got something wrong
[21:47] <stefano_> kerry_: one second
[21:48] <cyferactive> where can i get the user guide foe gnome-nettol?
[21:48] <stefano_> kerry_: open the Adept program and search for QtParted
[21:48] <stefano_> kerry_: install it, then run it. in it you can see your partitioning
[21:50] <JasonWard> hi guys. I want kubuntu to recognize my 8800GT. I can go to system settings and then monitor and display then hardware. when I tell it to automatically select it picks up a strange thingy, but it runs fast although doesn't support the latest games. it only has 8 series graphics card, not specific cards. How can I get it to use my proper card? xorg.conf is correct and has the right info but kubuntu is not using the right driver. I do have
[21:50] <JasonWard> my nvidia driver installed
[21:55] <JasonWard> did everyone leave after seeing the question? lol
[21:55] <cyferactive> is there anyone who can tell me where to find the user guide for the gnome network tools???
[21:55] <stefano_> cyferactive: woudlt it be better to ask that in #ubuntu?
[21:55] <stefano_> #ubuntu
[21:56] <cyferactive> how do i ask in ubuntu?
[21:56] <jussi01> cyferactive: type: /join #ubuntu
[21:56] <cyferactive> stefano this is my second time in konversation?/
[21:57] <JasonWard> do you have ubuntu?
[21:57] <stefano_> cyferactive: just click on this: #ubuntu
[21:58] <cyferactive> hey all im a brand newbie, just had to enter #kubuntu to find out how to join #ubuntu?
[21:58] <cyferactive> Can anyone suggest where i can get the user manual or the user guide for the gnome network tool??/
[22:00] <JasonWard> cyferactive: in kde I go kmenu--> help, that has all the application manuals
[22:01] <JasonWard> just look in the index
[22:01] <JasonWard>  hi guys. I want kubuntu to recognize my 8800GT. I can go to system settings and then monitor and display then hardware. when I tell it to automatically select it picks up a strange thingy, but it runs fast although doesn't support the latest games. it only has 8 series graphics card, not specific cards. How can I get it to use my proper card? xorg.conf is correct and has the right info but kubuntu is not using the right driver. I do have
[22:01] <JasonWard> my nvidia driver installed
[22:02] <kerry_> stefano_: i installed it but how do i find the partitions display
[22:04] <stefano_> kerry_: open up a terminal window and type "sudo qtparted" (withthouth "")
[22:04] <lattoneria> uff
[22:05]  * arriesp
[22:05]  * arriesp xao
[22:06] <jpatrick> !kdesudo | stefano_
[22:06] <ubotu> stefano_: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[22:14] <kerry_> stefano_: to open up a terminal : press F2 and Alt at the same time right ?
[22:14] <intelikey> i have not used swap in so long i have forgotten what a line for swap in fstab looks like,   someone care to paste one for me please ?
[22:15] <intelikey> kerry_ from within kde alt+f2 will give the "run dialog"
[22:15] <JasonWard> intelikey: I can try help you since I have a swap but how do I do it?
[22:16] <raijin> so
[22:16] <intelikey> kerry_ you can there type "konsole" and get a terminal yes.
[22:16] <JasonWard> ya
[22:16] <intelikey> JasonWard grep -i swap /etc/fstab
[22:16] <JasonWard> I typed fstab but it doesn't recognize the command
[22:16] <JasonWard> ok
[22:17] <JasonWard> UUID=6145d40e-690d-4c71-9a32-0d4514e42451 none            swap    sw              0       0
[22:17] <intelikey> ok thanks.
[22:17] <JasonWard> I have no idea what that means, can you explain it to me?
[22:18] <rickest> intelikey: /dev/sda2     none          swap          sw                        0 0
[22:19] <intelikey> sure.  the UUID is the unique unit identifier  for the file system     tells the kernel which fs to mount there.   the second word "swap" tells the kernel the pysudo mountpoint to attach the filesystem to.   the "sw" tells mount the type of fs it is.   and the other entries are just arguments to the mount command telling it how to handle the mount.
[22:19] <intelikey> rickest yes.  got it from JasonWard already,  but many thanks.
[22:20] <JasonWard> I want kubuntu to recognize my 8800GT. I can go to system settings and then monitor and display then hardware. when I tell it to automatically select it picks up a strange thingy, but it runs fast although doesn't support the latest games. it only has 8 series graphics card, not specific cards. How can I get it to use my proper card? xorg.conf is correct and has the right info but kubuntu is not using the right driver. I do have my
[22:20] <JasonWard> nvidia driver installed
[22:23] <intelikey> JasonWard the differance you may note in yours and rickest's lines is the filesystem address  you used the UUID  and he used the device node  addressing system    with UUID if you reformat the fs it changes, with the /dev/ addressing the device only changes if you unplug/replug (if on usb)  or unplug/replug the ide/scsi cable so that the device changes bus's or goes from master/slave v.v
[22:23] <JasonWard> oh ok
[22:23] <JasonWard> tnx
[22:23] <intelikey> welcome.
[22:24] <intelikey> sorry i can't help with the nvidia issue.  i'm a console guy not a gui guy.
[22:24] <rickest> JasonWard: try 'envy', it automates the whole process
[22:24] <jpatrick> !envy | rickest
[22:24] <ubotu> rickest: envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[22:25] <JasonWard> intelikey but your using kubuntu? why not use a more hardcore distro then?
[22:25] <rickest> it's needed for 8800, the repo driver doesn't support 8800 (or  didn't a month ago when I last checked)
[22:37] <JasonWard> rickest: I am using the nvidia one
[22:37] <JasonWard> from the nvidia site
[22:37] <rickest> JasonWard: yes, that makes sense. thx for the info
[22:37] <JasonWard> but kubuntu keeps using the vesa driver
[22:38] <rickest> JasonWard: presumably that's a problem with /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:38] <JasonWard> my xorg.conf is setup correctly and all is supposed to be working
[22:38] <JasonWard> but under system settings it is detecting my card as a generic vesa card
[22:39] <JasonWard> not 8800GT
[22:40] <rickest> JasonWard: does lsmod show nvidia is loaded?
[22:40] <JasonWard> whats that?
[22:41] <amrush> hi all .. My KDE4 crashed few days ago and i can't reboot it anymore .. somekind of bug in Plasma ... can anyone help?
[22:42] <contex> sera a tutti
[22:42] <Jucato> amrush: #kubuntu-kde4
[22:43] <JasonWard> rickest: what is  ismod?
[22:43] <Jucato> !it | contex
[22:43] <ubotu> contex: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[22:43] <amrush> Jucato: Tahnks
[22:43] <contex> ok... scusa nn lo sapevo
[22:43] <rickest> JasonWard: lsmod    (first char is a lowercase el, l not  one 1).  lsmod = list modules
[22:44] <Jucato> (lsmod | grep nv)
[22:45] <JasonWard> it has this. nvidia               7822336  24
[22:45] <JasonWard> it also tells me this in system settings but it doesn't say what card I have
[22:46] <JasonWard> if I select GeForce 8 series it won't even load my gui
[22:51] <ramzay> русский
[22:51] <ramzay> всем привет
[22:51] <ramzay> ребята
[22:52] <Jucato> !ru | ramzay
[22:52] <ubotu> ramzay: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[22:52] <ramzay> Дай мне русский ирц сцука ,тупой бот
[22:52] <syke> hi
[22:53] <syke> I'm interested in funding some KDE3.5 fixes and optimizations: http://wiki.yak.net/894
[22:53] <syke> hopefully, for inclusion into hardy
[22:53] <syke> if anyone is interested, or knows someone who might be, please let me know :)
[22:57] <BunnyRevolution> syke: you might consider a rent a coder type of site
[22:57] <jujimufu> I've installed Kubuntu 7.10, and I tried upgrading to 8.04 following the website instructions, but it says I need an extra 20 megs on my /boot partition
[22:58] <jujimufu> my /boot partition is currently 32 megs with ext3 filesystem
[22:58] <BunnyRevolution> resize it
[22:58] <jujimufu> I would like to take some megabytes off the swap partition (currently at 1024 mb, with a RAM of 512 mb) and put it in the /boot partition, but is this possible without the use of a liveCD?
[22:58] <terran4000> jujimufu: 32 megs might not be enough space
[22:58] <jujimufu> terran4000: how much do you reckon I'd need?
[22:59] <terran4000> jujimufu: hmm, upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 .... hm, that would leave you with 4 images, 50 to be on the safe side.
[23:00] <terran4000> Though .... if I may ask, how is your boot partition filled with 32megs of stuff?
[23:00] <syke> bunny: do you have a specific example?
[23:00] <BunnyRevolution> jujimufu, yes, via gparted.  there are other re-sizers
[23:00] <mi> i upgrade GG 2 HH ...not good here everything is in mess :(
[23:01] <jujimufu> terran4000: ok great, thanks :)
[23:02] <terran4000> jujimufu: As Bunny recommends, gparted or qtparted would be how you could resize. I believe Gparted actually has their own cd you can boot from and use.
[23:04] <jujimufu> terran4000: I'll try qtparted, thanks :
[23:04] <jujimufu> :)
[23:05] <jujimufu> terran4000: I remember there was this other application, from console, that I used to use, but I can't remember the name
[23:06] <terran4000> fdisk?
[23:06] <jujimufu> probably, yeah
[23:06] <BunnyRevolution> jujimufu: yes, gparted has a live bootable cd
[23:07] <jujimufu> I tried to resize my swap through qtparted, I resize it, and then it just pops up a dialog with no content, and just an "ok" button, I click "ok", and the partition is not resized
[23:08] <BunnyRevolution> boot live, remove swap, resize boot, add swap, reboot to os.  u do have a backup right?
[23:08] <BunnyRevolution> your next option is to do LVM
[23:08] <jujimufu> LVM?
[23:11] <BunnyRevolution> LVM would allow your partitions to grow as needed iirc
[23:24] <paule118> paule118
[23:26] <Pierro> hello i need to know what the equivalent in Kubuntu is for the add/remove in Ubuntu?
[23:26] <SiSo> Adept
[23:26] <Pierro> ty
[23:26] <SiSo> np
[23:26] <Pierro> how can i install it
[23:27] <Pierro> i am running Kubuntu through andLinux and its not installed yet i only have synaptic
[23:27] <Jucato> the package name is adept-installer
[23:27] <Pierro> sudo apt-get adapt?
[23:27] <Pierro> opk ty
[23:27] <Jucato> well sudo apt-get install adept
[23:28] <Jucato> that should be better
[23:28] <SiSo> thanks jucato I couldn't remember the name of the package
[23:28] <Pierro> sudo apt-get adapt-installer is working
[23:28] <Pierro> ty SiSo and Jucato
[23:28] <Pierro> yeah i am on windows now and i have andLinux with kubuntu here but i also have a native Kubuntu install i am booting back and forward for videogames :(
[23:29] <SiSo> :(
[23:29] <nonewmsgs> Pierro, that's pretty common i tihnk
[23:31] <NickPresta> Pierro, that is fairly common if you're a hardcore gamer or like to play 'difficult' games.
[23:31] <Pierro> ok doesnt work through Konsole but it works through synaptic with adept-common as dependency
[23:32] <Pierro> NickPresta i tried to run GTA Vice City via wine and it was horrible
[23:32] <Jucato> Pierro: better try sudo apt-get install adept to get it all
[23:32] <Pierro> booting is less fuz
[23:33] <belladonna> why is it that when I go to System Settings->Restricted Drivers and enable the NVIDIA driver that it then goes back to "Not in use" status
[23:33] <Pierro> Jucato thats what i tried wouldnt work through KOnsole though but synaptic makes it work
[23:33] <Jucato> wonder why
[23:33] <Pierro> because for adapt-installer you need adept-common also
[23:33] <Pierro> i think
[23:33] <Pierro> but i am a below novice user
[23:34] <Jucato> Pierro: adept-common is needed by any adept. it's what's "common" between them
[23:34] <Jucato> I don't know why apt-get won't work in Konsole though
[23:34] <Pierro> Jucato its prolly because i am using a modified version of Kubuntu specially tailored for andLinux
[23:34] <Jucato> that could be one
[23:36] <Pierro> which command do i need to use to run adept from Konsole?
[23:36] <nonewmsgs> synaptic
[23:36] <Pierro> lol
[23:37] <ign0ramus> hi all.  question: how do i limit or manage my .thumbnails folder?  I'm manually emptying it every few days, and it gets pretty huge after a while...
[23:37] <nonewmsgs> Pierro, that isn't what you want?"
[23:37] <Pierro> no i mean the add/remove feature with the descriptions and the ratings
[23:38] <Pierro> for Kubuntu
[23:38] <Pierro> lol
[23:38] <Pierro> i am a nightmare
[23:38] <nonewmsgs> adept_installer
[23:38] <ign0ramus> i tried a command i found on ubuntuforums to only thumbnail images from the last day, but it didn't seem to work...
[23:38] <Pierro> ty
[23:38] <nonewmsgs> Pierro, anytime
[23:42] <Pierro> nonewmsgs any clue how i can start this app in Konsole: Gnomoradio Music Player ?
[23:43] <ign0ramus> pierro: have you tried just typing "gnomoradio"?
[23:43] <nonewmsgs> pierro right click and goto that item and select edit
[23:43] <Pierro> hmz well i have no desktop its through andLinux lol
[23:44] <Pierro> so i am blind here
[23:44] <nonewmsgs> wtf is andlinux
[23:45] <Pierro> a way to run linux and windows at the same time with colinux
[23:45] <ign0ramus> nonewmsgs: a way to run linux *inside* windows
[23:45] <Pierro> no
[23:45] <Pierro> its more complicated then that D:
[23:45] <Pierro> its running at the same time
[23:45] <Pierro> its a kernel port to windows
[23:46] <jujimufu> so it's different than VMware?
[23:46] <ign0ramus> pierro: doesn't that have the xfce desktop?
[23:47] <Pierro> yeah totally
[23:47] <Pierro> vmware is slow
[23:47] <Pierro> these are almost native speeds
[23:47] <ign0ramus> jujimufu: afaik, it actually runs a linux kernel
[23:47] <Pierro> also ign0ramus i am using the Kubuntu one
[23:47] <Pierro> though
[23:47] <terran4000> Pierro: is it runs along side windows ... it's using the same memory buffers, how well does it handle the transition between one OS and the other?
[23:48] <terran4000> *if it runs
[23:48] <Pierro> i am not that tech savvy but i can run tons of linux apps without noticing any performance hit but it depends on your hardware specs also i think
[23:48] <terran4000> Pardon my crappy typing ><
[23:48] <ign0ramus> !xming
[23:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xming - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:48] <Pierro> yeah it using xming and pulseaudio
[23:49] <Pierro> for the forwarding stuff of X11 and audio
[23:49] <ign0ramus> hows pulseaudio... i never cared for it much
[23:49] <Pierro> i dont like vmware
[23:49] <Pierro> it all works for me :)
[23:49] <ign0ramus> vmware is a 'jury-rigged' way of running apps
[23:49] <Pierro> but andLinux is still beta
[23:49] <Pierro> so its not perfect
[23:50] <ign0ramus> nothing in linux is :)
[23:50] <Pierro> but i value it above vmware
[23:50] <ign0ramus> that's whats fun about it
[23:50] <terran4000> wait wait ... it forwards data to Linux? hmm
[23:50] <ign0ramus> it *is* linux
[23:50] <Pierro> lol
[23:50] <terran4000> >_>
[23:50] <ign0ramus> well, colinux, i believe.  right?
[23:50] <Pierro> yeah
[23:51] <ign0ramus> i read about it a few days ago- seems interesting but a little involved
[23:51] <terran4000> he said it forwards data to linux ... thus, I'm wondering how this stuff works. Cause forwarding wouldn't be running along side :-/
[23:51] <Pierro> no from linux to windows
[23:51] <Pierro> the graphics and sound from linux need to be forwarded to windows
[23:51] <Pierro> again i am just a n00b so dont take my words for it
[23:52] <Pierro> i just no it works for me
[23:52] <terran4000> oh, so it's just another VM. Gotcha :-P
[23:52] <Pierro> no
[23:52] <Pierro> its not
[23:52] <terran4000> >_>
[23:52] <Pierro> a vm
[23:52] <Pierro> because it runs the kernel natively
[23:52] <Pierro> with colinux
[23:52] <Pierro> not virtual
[23:52] <terran4000> geh, I'll just go it up before we all get kicked for OT.
[23:52] <Pierro> lol
[23:53] <ign0ramus> well, back OT - does no one know how to manage the .thumbnails folder?
[23:53] <bhsx> howdy... i'm on hardy and just installed kde4 (i noticed there isn't a kubuntu+1 channel)....   how do i fix/add programs to the new start menu/kicker widget thing?
[23:53] <ign0ramus> it friggin caches *everything*, and using stumbleupon, i hit a few hundred sites a day, and that folder gets HUGE
[23:53] <Pierro> lol
[23:54] <terran4000> Pierro: aha, I'm correct: Unlike in other Linux virtualization solutions such as User Mode Linux (or the forementioned VMware), special driver software on the host operating system is used to execute the coLinux kernel in a privileged mode (known as ring 0 or supervisor mode).
[23:54] <terran4000> it is a vm
[23:54] <terran4000> but optimized and specialized
[23:54] <ign0ramus> bhsx: you'll probably get better answers at #kubuntu-kde4
[23:54] <bhsx> ah ok thanks
[23:55] <ign0ramus> terran4000: no... it's not a "virtual" emulator... it actually runs the linux kernel, rather than emulating one.
[23:55] <ign0ramus> a small but important difference
[23:55] <nonewmsgs> like the reverse of wine?
[23:55] <Pierro> terran4000 yah i guess you are but again i am not a native english speaker so i often draw the short straw in semantics games
[23:56] <ign0ramus> not the "reverse", but a better method.  similar in that you can run programs native to a different OS
[23:56] <terran4000> True, I cede that poit ign. But it still is virtualization in a sense. Since it runs linux from within windows and not both Windows and Linux as the machine level.
[23:56] <terran4000> *at the machine level.
[23:57] <terran4000> Tea + phone + typing != quality typing
[23:57] <Pierro> its not as slow as wine
[23:57] <Pierro> and it runs all linux apps
[23:57] <Pierro> thats why its called andLinux it merges windows with Linux
[23:59] <Pierro> where can i find new installed software in Kubuntu?
[23:59] <terran4000> Definitelly seems like something to check out Pierro, thanks. hopefully I can start that way to port Windows people to linux!
[23:59] <Pierro> :)


[17:25] <davef> Happy St. Patricks to all you lovely Irish people!
[17:27] <zxmpi> and the orrible ones too :-P
[18:00] <davef> I'll allow it
[22:34] <daftykins> i slayed some Guinness last night in prep... ok no it was pool night
[22:38] <zxmpi> i wonder what guinness sales are like on the 16th, 17th and 18th. just how big a spike is there
[22:48] <davef> The Irish bar I frequent downtown has line ups out the door all week.