[12:09] <benkong2> hello all, I am on Dapper flight 5 and my firefox has the check for updates button grayed out. Anyone know why?
[12:10] <crimsun> benkong2: that's the way it's compiled.
[12:11] <benkong2> crimsun: ok thanks, how does one get 1.5.02 then or is that not possible?
[12:11] <crimsun> install it in ~, /opt, or wait for it to go into Dapper.
[12:11] <benkong2> crimsun: ok thanks I'll wait :P
[12:17] <me2win> !ping
[12:17] <ubotu> pong
[12:17] <xbox_sky> kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so: undefined symbol: _ZN4KPIM8Identity4nullE
[12:17] <xbox_sky> anyone???? what should I do?
[12:19] <sola1> I'm trying to install kubuntu-desktop and I'v completed $sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, but the only thing that's changed is the login-screen... the desktop is still GNOME....
[12:19] <sola1> can any1 help me fix it?
[12:20] <mvv> sola1: you have to choose in the login screen by clicking on the left icon
[12:20] <sola1> the left icon?
[12:21] <sola1> the login screen was KDE, but the desktop is still gnome...
[12:21] <mvv> yeah, there's a pulldown menu where you can choose
[12:21] <sola1> and that changes the desktop?
[12:21] <mvv> yes
[12:21] <sola1> thanks... I'll give it a try;)
[12:24] <sola1> mvv: thx man:)
[12:24] <mvv> np
[12:28] <fjellrev1> How can I asign a command to a specific button?or even better,a mouse button
[12:28] <sola1> I'm trying to clean ut the menus by do what this guide [http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/13/ubuntu-to-kubuntu-keeping-the-menus-clean/#547]  says, but I get a syntax error on 'done'...
[12:31] <Petecakes> What's that command again that wipes your hard drive in five characters?
[12:31] <Petecakes> It's like rm -rs / or something.

[12:33] <solan> any1?
[12:35] <crimsun> solan: which command did you type?
[12:35] <solan> can any1 help me clean up my menus? i'v got both kde and gnome desktop installed and I want to only show the programs that are connected with the desktop in it's menu.. I'm trying to use the [http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/01/13/ubuntu-to-kubuntu-keeping-the-menus-clean/#547]  guide, but I get a syntax error...
[12:39] <solan> crimsun: I tried to creat the clener.sh script, and I got the syntax error when I typed done...
[12:39] <solan> *cleaner.sh
[12:39] <captainbraille> what command should I use instead of make?
[12:41] <crimsun> solan: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/666062
[12:41] <crimsun> solan: that's what you'd paste at the prompt
[12:43] <solan> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/666068
[12:43] <captainbraille> how do I run a script?
[12:44] <crimsun> solan: 1) it's all _one_ line; 2) do not paste the hash mark
[12:44] <solan> crimsun: what?
[12:45] <crimsun> the command you just showed me has two errors. I just stated them.
[12:46] <solan> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/666076
[12:46] <crimsun> dude, don't paste the \
[12:47] <solan> crimsun: aaah.... I'll try that;)
[12:48] <mvv> is it normal when you've partitioned a 300GB disk in ext3 that the used space already is 14.10GB? (no files on disk)
[12:49] <solan> crimsun: noting happens....
[12:50] <crimsun> solan: does it give you a prompt back?
[12:50] <crimsun> as in the '#'
[12:50] <solan> nope...
[12:50] <crimsun> what does it do?
[12:50] <solan> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/666084     and nothing else happens...
[12:51] <crimsun> so what happens when you press enter?
[12:52] <solan> crimsun: nothing...
[12:52] <solan> it just hopps down a line...
[12:52] <crimsun> dude, you made another typo
[12:52] <solan> do-oh!
[12:52] <crimsun> the space between the = and the $i is _critical_
[12:52] <StarOcean> hmm
[12:53] <StarOcean> liveCD doesn't really work for me
[12:55] <solan> crimsun: when I corrected the typo, it doesn't prompt anything back...
[12:56] <crimsun> solan: does it do the same thing as before?
[12:58] <solan> nope... it just gives the command line back....
[12:58] <crimsun> just the hash mark?
[12:58] <crimsun> '#'
[12:58] <solan> jupp...
[12:59] <crimsun> good, that's what it's supposed to do.
[12:59] <solan> mkay.. do I have to log in again for it to work?
[01:01] <solan> I'll try and reboot;)
[01:06] <gnuton> hi
[01:08] <carlos> hello.....can omeone tell me how to edit the resolution of my kde display?? it was working fine in native resolution of 1024x768, but now its booting in 800x600 and thats just ugly...cant find the out how to change it back
[01:13] <carlos> anyone know how to edit the display resolution in KDE?
[01:14] <mvv> carlos: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:14] <mvv> not even one minute :(
[01:16] <OdyX> Hey.
[01:16] <OdyX> How is it to rebuild Kde's file associations ?
[01:20] <mvv_zZz> OdyX: kcontrol - KDE-components - file associations
[01:20] <OdyX> mvv_zZz: Thanks... my solution is "kbuildsycoca"
[01:20] <OdyX> :D
[01:26] <gnuton> hi
[01:28] <slow-motion> n8
[01:31] <webgis> dev
[01:40] <stodge> What engine do you use with Amarok?
[01:41] <stodge> I have no sound coming from Amarok - any suggestions?
[01:41] <stodge> Kubuntu Breezy
[01:43] <thompa> have you checked kmixer first
[01:43] <stodge> Yes
[01:44] <thompa> !alsa
[01:44] <ubotu> well, alsa is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063, see also !dmix
[01:44] <thompa> go to amarok settings first
[01:44] <thompa> settings: configure Amarok
[01:45] <thompa> there is Engine
[01:45] <thompa> try changing "Output Plug in"
[01:46] <stodge> Ive tried alsa, oss, esd, arts, jack
[01:46] <stodge> alsa and oss give errors
[01:46] <thompa> type alsaconfig
[01:46] <stodge>  /dev/dsp already in use
[01:47] <stodge> I dont have alsaconfig installed
[01:48] <thompa> stodge: you can install alsa-tools from synaptic
[01:48] <stodge> alsa-utils?
[01:48] <crimsun> we currently don't ship alsaconf in alsa-utils
[01:48] <gnuton> Hi guy! anyone can tell me why my kubuntu box after a dist-upgrade (dapper) have a dns lookup too slow?
[01:48] <crimsun> stodge: configure amarok's gstreamer engine to use alsasink
[01:49] <stodge> still no sound even with alsasink
[01:49] <crimsun> stodge: do you get any sound at all?
[01:49] <stodge> doesnt look like it
[01:50] <crimsun> stodge: pastebin ``lspci -v && lspci -nv && cat /proc/asound/cards && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer -c0''
[01:50] <thompa> are you sure front sound is up in kmixer?
[01:50] <thompa> for me pc speaker does nothing
[01:51] <stodge> Front sound is up in kmixer
[01:51] <stodge> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/666196
[01:55] <stodge> Dont know what I did but it's working
[01:55] <stodge> In kmixer, the switches tab, I enabled is2 mixer out..
[01:55] <stodge> Oh I see
[01:55] <stodge> SPDIF Out was selected
[01:56] <djk_> crimsun: is it possible to disable the oom-killer?
[01:57] <stodge> Anyway thanks for your help
[01:58] <crimsun> djk_: on the fly? not with our kernel, no
[01:58] <crimsun> most kernels have to be compiled without the oom killer
[02:00] <djk_> mmh. it's rather annoying.
[02:03] <biquillo> hi, I'm looking for a easy app to rip dvds, any suggestion?
[02:03] <jindiaz> hey, just a quick one, whats the command for getting into the log files for konversation via konquerer again?
[02:06] <djk_> biquillo: dvd::rip, acidrip...
[02:07] <biquillo> I tried dvd::rip in the second tab I got "STDIN player command: xine not found : NOT Ok"
[02:07] <biquillo> but I have xine player installed
[02:12] <djk_> biquillo: that's not important, besides, you can use mplayer in that tab iirc.
[02:12] <biquillo> ok, thx
[02:26] <os2mac> !dapper
[02:26] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion :)
[02:45] <mischko> Where to get firefox latest from repository (or <IP_ADDRESS>)?
[02:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> It's only available in dapper - you have to download it from mozilla.com
[02:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> !firefox1.5
[02:46] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[02:47] <mischko> CheeseBurgerMan, Thanks.
[02:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> NP
[02:52] <Zoohouse> Quick question. I just bought a 19'' wide screen LCD monitor. I go to Sys Settings, Display and 1280 x 1024. How do I change the ress it can be bigger then 1280 x 1024 and for wide screen?
[02:52] <thompa> not sure to use maildir or mbox? which is better for moving files?
[02:52] <mischko> !thunderbird
[02:52] <ubotu> I heard thunderbird is a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[02:52] <thompa> Zoohouse: edit xorg.conf
[02:52] <Zoohouse> thompa, no other way?
[02:52] <Zoohouse> no k tool or anything?
[02:53] <thompa> is there something in settings dont know
[02:53] <robotgeek> thompa: mbox is easy to move (all mail is in one file), but chance of corrutpion is greater. i prefer maildr, so i can read mail using mutt and kmail simultaneosuly
[02:53] <robotgeek> Zoohouse, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:53] <thompa> if its nvidia i use nvidia settings gui
[02:53] <Zoohouse> thompa, thats true, let me try that brb
[02:54] <Zoohouse> thompa, my display device shows up as a crt
[02:55] <thompa> do what robotgeek said
[02:55] <mischko> !thunderbird1.5
[02:55] <ubotu> hmm... thunderbird1.5 is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[02:57] <thompa> Zoohouse: thanks ill use maildir then, i think i had trouble with mbox transfer
[02:57] <thompa> i have one cross-distro problem: when i type something it jumps and if im not looking my sentences are jumbled.
[02:58] <thompa> its very annoying, and i have to retype everything
[02:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> thompa: Are you using a touchpad by any chance?
[02:58] <mischko> what's the root password on a kubuntu install? It didn't ask for one during the install that I recall but it won't let me do root.
[02:58] <thompa> yes, but im not touching it
[02:58] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell mischko about root
[02:59] <mischko> robotgeek, thanks.
[02:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> thompa: It's very sensitive about being tapped for clicking, disable it if you cant.
[02:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> can*
[03:00] <thompa> CheeseBurgerMan: can the keyboard typing be affected by that?
[03:00] <thompa> ill try disable, see if helps,
[03:03] <Excaliber> Hello.
[03:03] <Excaliber> deso anyone know about kafeine?
[03:03] <Excaliber> kaffeine
[03:04] <Excaliber> does*
[03:04] <Hobbsee_away> !+ask
[03:04] <ubotu> Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important.
[03:04] <Excaliber> Hello hobbsee
[03:05] <Hobbsee_away> hey...
[03:05] <Hobbsee_away> i'm not really here..
[03:05] <Excaliber> lol
[03:05] <Excaliber> do you know how to play .mp3 files on kubuntu?
[03:05] <robotgeek> Excaliber, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:10] <djk_> does the [Ku|U] ubuntu live-cd come with gparted or qtparted or just parted?
[03:11] <robotgeek> djk_: i think it comes with qtparted
[03:12] <_abbenormal> hello all
[03:12] <_abbenormal> is there a problem with the new dapper cd not booting
[03:13] <_abbenormal> d/led iso burnt with k3b as a iso
[03:13] <djk_> robotgeek: thanks. would you know how long it approximately takes to resize an ext3 (20->18) && swap (1->3) ?
[03:13] <robotgeek> djk_: sorry, havent used the resize feature ever
[03:14] <_abbenormal> depends on how big the drives are
[03:14] <djk_> neither have i.
[03:15] <_abbenormal> on smaller partions it only takes a few minutes
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> thompa: Sorry, I had to leave on very short notice. But yes, the keyboard can be effected depending on where your cursor is.
[03:16] <_abbenormal> is there a place i can get a new release ie daily for dapper 6.06
[03:17] <StarOcean> Erm... When I try to use kubuntu's LiveCD, it always freezes at "Checking battery state..."
[03:17] <crimsun> _abbenormal: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[03:17] <StarOcean> Is there anyway for me to fix it/bypass it?
[03:18] <_abbenormal> thanks ill look
[03:18] <robotgeek> StarOcean: there might be a acpi=off option, not sure how to pass it
[03:18] <StarOcean> Would I face the same problem if I install kubuntu instead of using the LiveCD?
[03:19] <_abbenormal> thanks getting it
[03:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> StarOcean: I'd imagine
[03:21] <StarOcean> thanks
[03:23] <_abbenormal> crimsun, is that ubuntu or kubuntu
[03:25] <crimsun> the former
[03:25] <_abbenormal> ok cool
[03:33] <ferrouswheel> hi all
[03:33] <_abbenormal> hey
[03:34] <Hobbsee> _abbenormal: that'd be uubntu
[03:35] <ferrouswheel> been ages since i've used IRC - campus proxy doesn't allow IRC traffic :(
[03:35] <Hobbsee> ferrouswheel: ouch.  ours does - it's very nice!
[03:35] <ferrouswheel> Hobbsee: lucky ;P
[03:35] <_abbenormal> ya i know but i found the kubuntu one so its all good
[03:36] <Hobbsee> _abbenormal: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:36] <_abbenormal> ya im a player so once i got a little info i can find stuff from there most of the time
[03:36] <ferrouswheel> do kubuntu people tend to use Konversation? Any one gone from xchat to Konversation before?
[03:37] <_abbenormal> i did once
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> ferrouswheel: I don't really like X-Chat much, so yes, I use Konversation. :)
[03:37] <_abbenormal> it wasnt fun
[03:37] <ferrouswheel> heh
[03:37] <_abbenormal> had some of the servers kline me for using it
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ferrouswheel: i use konversation
[03:37] <ferrouswheel> I liked xchat, but for no particular reason, so i'm giving Konversation a go :)
[03:39] <_abbenormal> it is a nice setup
[03:39] <ferrouswheel> anyway to get transparency in the Konversation chat window? (i know it is completely unnecesary, but still..)
[03:39] <_abbenormal> i guess old habits are hard to get out of
[03:40] <dipnlik> hi all. does anyone recommend a podcast receiver other than amarok?
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> CastPodder
[03:41] <thompa> is koffice 1.5 out of beta?
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes
[03:42] <introverse> !xgl
[03:42] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[03:42] <thompa> if i use xgl can i simply disable it in case of problems or is there no way back?
[03:43] <thompa> !koffice
[03:43] <ubotu> KOffice is a free, integrated office suite for KDE. Included is word processing, spreadsheet, flowcharting, image manipulation applications and many more. See http://koffice.kde.org
[03:44] <thompa> what isnt koffice 1.5 in the repos already if its stable?
[03:44] <thompa> or even on dapper
[03:45] <thompa> no matter ill add it
[03:45] <dipnlik> CheeseBurgerMan: will try it, thanks :)
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> thompa: there are repos for it. :P
[03:45] <CheeseBurgerMan> thompa: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-15.php
[03:46] <thompa> thanks found it
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> dipnlik: It's like Juice/iPodder
[03:46] <thompa> right at top,
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep. :P
[03:47] <Hobbsee> thompa: it's applying to be...
[03:48] <thompa> ok
[03:49] <thompa> i need only one of the repos on the list right?
[03:49] <thompa> 2 are down anyway
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> You only need one.
[03:52] <thompa> ok well only first one works anyway
[03:52] <thompa> i really like koffice, it seems simple for what i do, dont know about pdf, but theres OOo
[03:53] <dipnlik> CheeseBurgerMan: castpodder isnotavailabel on my adept =\ is it Qt or gtk?
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> gtk
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> iPodder is in the repos, you can install that
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> It'll get you all the dependencies installed anyway. :P
[03:54] <dipnlik> CheeseBurgerMan: why do you prefer castpodder to ipodder?
[03:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> It's newer
[03:54] <thompa> it seems you have to install koffice as seperate compnents or there are dpend issues
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> thompa: Dunno, I just installed everything. :P
[03:55] <thompa> i guess i can apt force it
[03:58] <mischko> !xine
[03:58] <ubotu> mischko: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:59] <mischko> What's the best software to view DVD's?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> mischko: kaffiene works pretty well
[04:03] <tarmath> I use kaffeine too
[04:04] <tarmath> I dont like totem nor mplayer much
[04:04] <tarmath> they've always been buggy for me
[04:05] <Nomad411> I sthere a unix2dos command in Kubuntu ?
[04:05] <LeeJunFan> I use xine for most of my video playing.
[04:08] <mischko> I'm finding I need to install some extras from universe/multiverse to get DVD working better. We'll see.
[04:11] <produkt> I need help!
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> Great.
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> Care to elaborate?
[04:11] <produkt> I'm on the live cd right now, I got kubuntu to install, but it hangs when I try to boot it up
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> produkt: here it is - just fill in the blank ____________________.
[04:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> produkt: OK, where does it hang?
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> produkt: try hitting alt-Fn keys until you see one which might say which package or function it's messing up on.
[04:12] <produkt> right at the start of booting into kubuntu ... saving default or something then says boot right after
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> I think ctrl-alt-f2 is the one you want.
[04:12] <produkt> I'll try that out
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> oh wait, nevermind.
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> I was thinking of during install not after.
[04:13] <produkt> oh
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> I'm not sure what's it's doing at saving default, if you get the exact text it can probably be grepped in the initscripts to find out what's going on right after it prints that.
[04:14] <dipnlik> is there a way to make gtk apps put their menus on top, mac os-style, like the qt apps?
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> That's why I hate splash screens they hide too much, what about if you try booting the recovery option when it asks what you want to boot into?
[04:15] <produkt> I tried recovery also... both options just hang at the word boot
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> LeeJunFan: I dislike my splash screen because it's an ugly pink-blue gradient. :P
[04:16] <Pherdinand> I've decompressed the file "install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz" in order to install under KUBUNTU Breezy
[04:17] <Pherdinand> but, it doesn't work...I was using /usr/lib/kde3 and /usr/share/apps/konqueror
[04:17] <Pherdinand> where's the right path for installing Macromedia Flash for Konqueror under Breezy?
[04:17] <joey^^> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:17] <joey^^>   mplayer-nogui: Depends: libpolyp0 but it is not installable
[04:17] <Pherdinand> thanks
[04:18] <joey^^> huh? i can't install mplayer?
[04:18] <Pherdinand> I ran the install file from macromedia in those paths but I can't see flash websites
[04:18] <Pherdinand> joey you can find the dependencies and install that file manually
[04:18] <Pherdinand> under kubuntu.org
[04:19] <joey^^> what a pain in the ass
[04:19] <Pherdinand> someone can help me with my macromedia flash-konqueror problem, plz?
[04:19] <Pherdinand> you tell me, I was doing that just a few hours ago for upgrading KDE to 3.5.2
[04:20] <joey^^> i can't believe mplayer wont install, it's such a basic package that everyone uses
[04:20] <Pherdinand> I was reading in google something about importing flash plugins from firefox, but it doesn't works either
[04:20] <Pherdinand> so, I tried 3 ways: importing the plugin from firefox, installing in one path, and installing to another path...any idea?
[04:21] <Pherdinand> does konqueror play flash movies?
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> !flash
[04:21] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:21] <produkt> I should be able to mount my partition from the live cd shouldn't I?
[04:21] <Pherdinand> Joey, I can't believe the same thing
[04:21] <joey^^> !gstreamer
[04:21] <ubotu> joey^^: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> produkt: yeah.
[04:22] <produkt> what if it says it can't?
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> produkt: what error does it give?
[04:22] <Pherdinand> produkt, if you write "df" you can see the free space?
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> produkt: are you doing from gui or cmdline?
[04:22] <joey^^> grr, sound doesn't work, video doesn't work, can't install mplayer
[04:22] <joey^^> ....
[04:23] <produkt> mount: cant find /dev/hda3 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:23] <produkt> gui
[04:23] <produkt> I can see the partition in gported
[04:23] <produkt> and in /mnt
[04:23] <produkt> or /media
[04:23] <produkt> same thing
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> produkt: do it from cmdline. mkdir /tmp/hda3 && mount /dev/hda3 /tmp/hda3
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> produkt: probably need to use sudo (I dunno, never done live CD).
[04:26] <produkt> won't let me or mount it or idk
[04:27] <Pherdinand> joey, you can check in here
[04:27] <Pherdinand> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/breezy/web/index.es.html
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> doesn't make sense - I always install mplayer.
[04:28] <joey^^> i got mplayer, it was my source list that was borked
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> joey^^: what version of kubuntu?
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> joey^^: ah.
[04:28] <joey^^> just got to fix sound now
[04:28] <joey^^> so many layers to deal with
[04:28] <joey^^> alsa, gstreamer, alsasink, artsd
[04:29] <LeeJunFan> joey^^: you that unlucky all the time? :) I don't think I've ever installed kubuntu and not had everything work right.
[04:29] <joey^^> lucky you :)
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> joey^^: 30 systems at our library, 7 at work, 3 at home. :p
[04:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> I've only had to deal with the sound driver, video driver, and wifi when I install Kubuntu. :)
[04:30] <ferrouswheel> how does one tell kde to use firefox as the default web browser?
[04:30] <joey^^> the sound driver etc works
[04:30] <DjDarkman> hy ,i had power outage ,and now my partition that uses fat32 filesystem is always mounted read only no mather what i do ,what shoud i do?
[04:30] <Pherdinand> well, I gave up with my monitor resolution
[04:31] <Pherdinand> joey, do u have breezy?
[04:31] <Pherdinand> depper?
[04:31] <Pherdinand> *
[04:31] <joey^^> it's kde/gstreamer/alsasink/artsd not selecting the right device.
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> ferrouswheel: system settings, user account, default applications
[04:31] <kosh> ferrouswheel: kcontrol -> kde components -> component chooser -> web browser
[04:31] <ferrouswheel> LeeJunFan: thanks! (haven't been using kde long, used to be a gnome guy)
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: fskc.vfat /dev/[device]
[04:32] <joey^^> i can play raw pcm wav files using aplay
[04:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> ferrouswheel: Congrats on coming to the...blue side. :P
[04:32] <ferrouswheel> kosh: thanks to you too :)
[04:32] <joey^^> it's just gstreamer/kde etc etc.. are using my onboard sound device instead of my audigy sound card
[04:33] <joey^^> no visible way to select device
[04:33] <kosh> joey^^: why not just disable your onboard sound card?
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> kosh: except kcontrol is unfortunately hidden because it's just so confusing for windows users.
[04:33] <ferrouswheel> CheeseBurgerMan: yeah, i'm still having trouble with the busy-ness of kde - but the it's all configurable so i just have to tell apps to NOT put 200 buttons on the toolbar ;P
[04:33] <joey^^> in gnome you just do volume control->file->change device and select your card
[04:33] <kosh> LeeJunFan: I just knew exactly where it was in kcontrol and had not found it yet in the kubuntu panel
[04:34] <joey^^> krosh: it works fine in ubuntu, gentoo just not kbuntu, so it suggest kbuntu is the problem not the onboard sound
[04:35] <kosh> kosh: I just always disable the onboard sound so there is NEVER a question any application about which to use
[04:35] <joey^^> infact it does work in kubuntu if i use aplay
[04:35] <CheeseBurgerMan> kosh: Kcontrol isn't in the Kubuntu panel by default, either go to 'run' or open a terminal and type 'kcontrol'
[04:35] <joey^^> it's just all apps that go through gstreamer/artsd etc etc.. seem to be impossible to configure
[04:35] <kosh> CheeseBurgerMan: just hit alt-f2 and type kcontrol
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> CheeseBurgerMan: yeah, one of the first things I add to my menu. good ole kcontrol.
[04:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> LeeJunFan: Same here. :)
[04:36] <kosh> joey^^: artsd I know how to set, kcontrol -> sound and multimedia -> sound system -> hardware  and tell it the device location
[04:37] <kosh> while I am running kubuntu it is not a normal kubuntu config :)
[04:37] <DjDarkman> joey^^: u want to use another soundcard?
[04:37] <joey^^> kosh: tried all that, has no effect
[04:37] <tarmath> joey^^: try kmix
[04:38] <kosh> it started out as debian about 5 years ago and I have just kept upgrading it
[04:38] <joey^^> tried kmix, multimedia system settings, no effetc
[04:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> kosh: lol
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> kosh: I've still got some files in my home dir from redhat V2 or 3. hehe
[04:38] <DjDarkman> sorro joey^^ wasn`t here ,but do you want to switch the default soundcard?
[04:39] <kosh> LeeJunFan: I think I have deleted most of those already, the system started out as redhat, was upgraded to mandrake and then live switched to debian about 5-6 years ago
[04:39] <LeeJunFan> kosh: hehe, we took the same path.
[04:39] <kosh> I don't see how those things can have no effect, I have done that before and never had an issue, however the correct way would be to just disable the onboard sound
[04:39] <kosh> then there is no problem at all
[04:39] <joey^^> i created a .asoundrc file with a device alias. this works with aplay but has no effect with other kde apps. thats because gstreamer/artsd/artsink all take over the sound system. i don't know where the settings for these services are
[04:40] <kosh> the arts settings are in that control panel, you just set the device location and hit apply
[04:40] <kosh> that will change arts
[04:40] <tarmath> kmix is plugged right into alsa isnt it
[04:40] <kosh> no idea about gstreamer and neither of those will effect xine
[04:40] <DjDarkman> joey^^: can you put your .asoundrc file content to the pastebin ,i had same issue and i fixed it maybe i can help you
[04:40] <kosh> however I don't touch gstreamer in anything
[04:40] <DjDarkman> kosh: that only effects arts
[04:40] <tarmath> artsd and gstreamer should be plugged into alsa too, unless you changed it
[04:41] <kosh> tarmath: kmix is just the mixer
[04:41] <joey^^> djdarkman: the .asoundrc works fine, aplay can use the device and i get output using my audigy2 card, it's just other apps that use gstreamer/artsd that don't work
[04:41] <kosh> I know other ways to do it also but they are a pain
[04:41] <tarmath> if you open kaffeine, change the engine to gstreamer, then get into gstreamer engine settings, you'll see what gstreamer is plugged to
[04:41] <tarmath> mine's in alsalink
[04:41] <kosh> the other good way is to change the module load bindings so that the audigy card is the default and the onboard is secondary
[04:42] <tarmath> then, it's a matter of getting alsa to work
[04:42] <DjDarkman> joey^^: i have too soundcards and everything works with the second
[04:42] <joey^^> tarmath: yes, alsasink, but how does one configure that gstreamer plugin is the question?
[04:42] <kosh> however if you are not using the onboard sound card then why not just disable it
[04:43] <joey^^> infact how do you configure gstreamer, i can't find any kind of settings at all for it or alsasink
[04:43] <tarmath> joey^^: okay playing an mp3 with kaffeine
[04:43] <kosh> joey^^: if you want anything beyond stereo you can'
[04:44] <kosh> can't use gstreamer
[04:44] <tarmath> joey^^: i mean try playing an mp3 with kaffeine, first using gstreamer, then xine
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> hehe, I found that if you wanted anything better than silence you can't use gstreamer :)
[04:44] <LeeJunFan> I'm glad xine engine is the default in dapper.
[04:45] <DjDarkman> LeeJunFan: realy?
[04:45] <kosh> gstreamer is such a pos still
[04:45] <tarmath> is gstreamer really that bad? it seems like a good idea, maybe it just needs to nurture a bit...?
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: for some reason I never had any luck with it. I dunno what the prob was, but xine was headache free.
[04:45] <joey^^> tarmath: neither amarok nor kaffine can play mp3 on the default installation of kubuntu
[04:46] <joey^^> tarmath: probably needs some kind of extra gstreamer plugins
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> libs
[04:46] <tarmath> amarok: they both use the xine engine by default, if one cannot work, then the other will not either, or any other program for that matter. i suspect your problem is within alsa
[04:46] <DjDarkman> i mean LeeJunFan ,does kubuntu dapper uses xine instead of arts?
[04:46] <tarmath> the heck is amarok...
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: yeah.
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: not instead of arts, instead of gstreamer
[04:47] <joey^^> it's odd as well
[04:47] <ferrouswheel> joey^^: gsteamer0.8-mad for mp3
[04:47] <tarmath> joey^^: open kmix and see if you card is listed
[04:47] <kosh> tarmath: it is as old as arts and still sucks very badly, they still can only do stereo and it is not very stable at all
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: and the only thing to install to get mp3 playing is xine-extracodecs
[04:47] <joey^^> ferrouswheel: thanks
[04:47] <DjDarkman> after fsck.vfat how do i tell my system to mount my partition correcly?
[04:48] <kosh> tarmath: xine can do 7.1 no problem, and I have had no stability problems with it in years
[04:48] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: sudo mount -oremount,rw [mountpoint]  if it's mounted now as ro
[04:48] <tarmath> kosh: as old as arts? isnt arts damned old? I read that arts would be dropped probly for gstreamer as of kde4
[04:49] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: otherwize sudo mount -orw /dev/[dev]  [mountpoint]
[04:49] <DjDarkman> i don`t like arts ,it always causes me problems
[04:49] <kosh> tarmath: what was the original plan about a year or so ago but that has been dropped, instead a media framework has been made which allows you to choose
[04:49] <kosh> tarmath: so with kde4 you will be able to use arts, gstreamer xine etc or if your card is advanced enough just use alsa directly
[04:50] <tarmath> kosh: xine is indeed elite, but it's using ms windows codecs isnt it? then if the patents on these are ever enforced, it's goes down the toilet.. or am I confused?
[04:50] <kosh> tarmath: so if you have a modern sb card you can just drop the sound frameworks entirely
[04:50] <LeeJunFan> Personally I just don't understand why someone can't let the kernel handle multiple streams and get rid of all the incompatability issues with all the different sound daemons.
[04:50] <joey^^> might seem a stupid question, but why doesn't kubuntu come installed with the gstreamer plugin for mp3's ?
[04:50] <kosh> tarmath: umm it can't use that stuff but only for decoding windows files
[04:50] <tarmath> !mp3
[04:50] <dave__> Winamp  5.20 Stopped
[04:50] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:50] <kosh> tarmath: not for just standard audio stuff
[04:51] <tarmath> joey^^: man dont tell me you havent installed the support for the restricted formats...
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> tarmath: not much point if he can't play sounds anyway :p
[04:51] <joey^^> tarmath: na, i was testing sound using wav's
[04:52] <tarmath> kosh: Im not sure I totally understand you, dont we need a framework between the file formats and alsa? thats the job of gstreamer/xine/etc... the sound card is always directly plugged with alsa
[04:52] <nightskywind83> while we're on the subject of sound
[04:53] <LeeJunFan> pull your own finger!
[04:53] <nightskywind83> i have successfully enabled mp3 playback after reading the helpful info at the above URL
[04:53] <nightskywind83> but Kaudiocreator won't encode my wav's to mp3's
[04:53] <kosh> tarmath: arts gstreamer etc do a lot more then just do decoding, they also do sound mixing and the sound mixing part is not needed on good cards
[04:53] <nightskywind83> error message produced is as follows
[04:53] <nightskywind83> The selected encoder was not found.
[04:53] <nightskywind83> The wav file has been removed. Command was: lame --preset standard --tt '' --ta '' --tl '' --ty '0' --tn '01' --tg 'Unknown' '/home/andy/cd/Track03.wav' '/home/andy/mp3/ - 01 - .mp3'
[04:54] <LeeJunFan> nightskywind83: did you install lame?
[04:54] <DjDarkman> kosh: are cmedias considered good soundcars? :)
[04:54] <nightskywind83> yes
[04:54] <tarmath> good? they're eternal
[04:54] <tarmath> cant break em
[04:54] <kosh> DjDarkman: don't know
[04:55] <kosh> DjDarkman: by good I mean things like supports hardware mixing
[04:55] <nightskywind83> but perhaps a reinstall is in order
[04:55] <DjDarkman> kosh: it supports hw mixing ,in windows...here no hw mix :(
[04:55] <kosh> DjDarkman: with the sblive, audigy etc cards you can send 32 to 64 sound streams to the card at the same time and it can mix them itself
[04:55] <kosh> DjDarkman: then the card probably does not have hardware mixing
[04:56] <kosh> DjDarkman: lots of stuff pretends to do that and says it does that but it is often a driver hack
[04:56] <tarmath> kosh: I see, but the framework is still needed anyway, even without sound mixing and shit, and software is needed to tune it anyway
[04:56] <tarmath> hmm shitty sentence
[04:56] <kosh> tarmath: for instance xine does not do mixing at all it just does decoding
[04:57] <tarmath> kosh: it's alsa's job to control mixing no?
[04:57] <DjDarkman> this power outage will give me a headache
[04:57] <kosh> tarmath: alsa does not normally do mixing, I don't know if it can
[04:57] <kosh> tarmath: alsa just provides a low level interface to the sound card
[04:58] <DjDarkman> i can`t make my system to mount my partition to read and write
[04:58] <tarmath> kosh: but if the sound card has audio mixing capabilities, it has to go through alsa to be accessible to software..?
[04:58] <ferrouswheel> kosh: if alsa can't do mixing then how are programs meant to access the hardware mixing support?
[04:58] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: check dmesg - see if there's any info there.
[04:59] <tarmath> DjDarkman: filesystem?
[04:59] <kosh> cards that support hardware mixing support something called multiopen
[04:59] <kosh> alsa does not have to do anything special to support the hardware mixing on the card
[04:59] <DjDarkman> tarmath:  fat32 ,i had power outage and now i get hell because of that
[04:59] <_abbenormal> thanks guys if have problems ill be back
[04:59] <tarmath> DjDarkman: oh you were able before and not anymore?
[05:00] <kosh> if a card supports hardware mixing it will just work easily
[05:00] <DjDarkman> tarmath: sure i was ,now i can`t continue my downloads
[05:00] <tarmath> DjDarkman: har, sorry to hear that...
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: did fsck report any problems? if so you need to run it with -a or -r option to actually repair them.
[05:02] <tarmath> kosh: hardware mixing still cant be let free like that always turned on, with hardware features comes an interface to control it, alsa's job is to make soundcards's features available to software...
[05:02] <DjDarkman> yes LeeJunFan so u say it didn`t fix it?
[05:02] <kosh> for instance a sblive supports 32 multiopen, that means you can open the card 32 times without any problems
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> DjDarkman: from 'man fsck.vfat' If -a and -r are absent, the file system is only checked, but not repaired.
[05:03] <kosh> the way that is exposed to software is that you just open the sound card and send a file to it
[05:03] <kosh> that is how ALL sound cards should be
[05:04] <tarmath> hmm
[05:04] <DjDarkman> my soundcards supports 17 or 16 streams but it simply doesn`t work with alsa
[05:05] <kosh> the card probably doesn't really support it then
[05:05] <crimsun> is it a soundstorm?
[05:05] <DjDarkman> kosh: then in windows why do i does hw mixing work?
[05:05] <kosh> I have seen some reviews for the windows side of the cards and some cards that said they supported multiopen showed very high cpu usage when doing it indicating that it was no truly happening in hardware
[05:06] <tarmath> but there's still software that lets one adjust the sound, if this software isnt using alsa's interface with the card, then it can only modify the file before it gets to the card, that way you're not using the hardware feature but using the cpu to fake one...
[05:06] <crimsun> windows's directsound/kernel streaming is completely software.
[05:06] <kosh> DjDarkman: it is unlikely that is it mixing in hardware ,windows hides all the mixing stuff and has for years
[05:07] <kosh> however there is a way to do that in linux transparently
[05:07] <kosh> there is some kind of alsa thing where you can have it do software mixing transparently, however if you have a card that does hardware mixing that costs you cpu time for nothing and so it is still being worked on
[05:07] <kosh> however the dapper developers could have used that
[05:07] <kosh> and breezy
[05:07] <kosh> let me find the link
[05:08] <crimsun> it was enabled in Breezy
[05:08] <kosh> ah ok
[05:08] <DjDarkman> that would help me kosh
[05:08] <crimsun> dmix is enabled by default for cards that are known not to support multiopen
[05:08] <DjDarkman> ohh dmix
[05:08] <kosh> yeah that is it
[05:08] <kosh> crimsun: where is dmix configured so I know if it was turned on or not?
[05:09] <DjDarkman> i tried it but didn`t understand it`s syntax and didn`t seem to work and no official alsa forum and/or channel :(
[05:09] <tarmath> is there a way to see if dmix in on for a given soundacard? :)
[05:09] <crimsun> kosh: via alsa-lib
[05:09] <kosh> just want to make sure that it is off for me
[05:10] <crimsun> it's definitely off for emu10k1
[05:10] <kosh> cool
[05:10] <crimsun> the only drivers for which it's enabled have explicit dmix clauses in /usr/share/alsa/cards/
[05:10] <tarmath> thats what I got too
[05:10] <kosh> I have an audigy2 zs plat pro
[05:11] <crimsun> note the distinct lack of /usr/share/alsa/cards/EMU10K1.conf :)
[05:11] <tarmath> and the ensonic have it on, as expected... nice
[05:12] <kosh> crimsun: I have that file
[05:12] <tarmath> me too, but no dmix
[05:12] <crimsun> you should have a cards/EMU10K1X.conf
[05:12] <tarmath> got both
[05:12] <crimsun> oh, you're on Breezy probably
[05:12] <DjDarkman> crimsun: is there a link to a forum or something that explains how to enable and set up dmix ,that even mortals linke me understand?
[05:12] <kosh> I have dapper but I upgraded
[05:12] <kosh> so I have both :)
[05:13] <kosh> I have not done a complete reinstall in probably 6-7 years
[05:13] <crimsun> DjDarkman: it's already enabled
[05:14] <DjDarkman> but why doesn`t it work?if i use an app that uses a different sound engine than xmms ,it gives no sound
[05:14] <crimsun> DjDarkman: which output is xmms configured to use?
[05:14] <DjDarkman> but if i turn off xmms it works happyli
[05:14] <DjDarkman> same issue if i use amarok instead of xmms
[05:14] <crimsun> make sure xmms is configured to use the alsa plugin
[05:15] <crimsun> make sure amarok is configured to use gstreamer's alsasink
[05:15] <kosh> I would prefer xine with the alsa output
[05:15] <kosh> lower cpu usage, more stable, better audio output and it can do more then stereo
[05:15] <DjDarkman> alsa
[05:15] <DjDarkman> same for amarok
[05:15] <kosh> xine >>>>> gstreamer  :)
[05:15] <crimsun> if your card doesn't support multiopen, then whenever an oss-only app grabs /dev/dsp, any other alsa-native or oss-only app blocks. That's how alsa's oss emulation works.
[05:16] <joey^^> gstreamer's alsasink uses sound card 0 by default and there is no way to change it ....
[05:16] <kosh> most apps support alsa now though
[05:16] <kosh> and it looks like dmix will be transparent soon in just about any dist
[05:16] <crimsun> joey^^: bzzt. We changed that in Breezy, and it's even more slick in Dapper.
[05:16] <kosh> that means that mixing should not be done by arts, gstreamer etc and it shoudl be expected that the os will do it
[05:17] <crimsun> joey^^: Breezy ships with set-default-soundcard; Dapper ships with asoundconf (both part of alsa-utils).
[05:17] <joey^^> crimsun: i'm using breezy and i can't use gstreamer apps with my second sound card
[05:17] <crimsun> sure you can.
[05:17] <crimsun> pastebin the contents of ~/.asoundrc*
[05:17] <joey^^> care to explain how?
[05:17] <DjDarkman> i have this problem between cedega and xmms or skype and xmms
[05:17] <phin> hi everyone
[05:18] <crimsun> DjDarkman: set cedega to use the alsa output. skype is oss-only. set xmms to use alsa for output.
[05:18] <phin> giving kubuntu a try on this laptop, was giving ordinary ubuntu a try, but gnome is just not for me i think
[05:18] <crimsun> DjDarkman: set cedega to use the alsa output. skype is oss-only. set xmms to use alsa for output.
[05:18] <joey^^> crimsun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Qzb2Qu92.html
[05:18] <tarmath> phin: omg how can you dont like gnome?!?!
[05:19] <phin> heh
[05:19] <phin> i just dont like it
[05:19] <tarmath> phin: ;)
[05:19] <joey^^> crimsun: that works fine with aplay -D audigy2 <wav file>
[05:19] <crimsun> joey^^: you've modified ~/.asoundrc, so of course set-default-soundcard isn't going to touch it
[05:19] <DjDarkman> crimsun: tried that ,won`t wrk
[05:19] <phin> i like how it looks and feels, but the apps just dont feel as good
[05:19] <phin> plus, i LOVE kate
[05:19] <phin> hehe
[05:19] <crimsun> DjDarkman: you didn't read what I typed above about oss-only apps, did you?
[05:19] <joey^^> crimsun: there was no .asoundrc originally
[05:19] <tarmath> yes!! but kate should come with many colorschemes...
[05:19] <crimsun> joey^^: and you created that one, correct? :)
[05:20] <_KevinD_> hello
[05:20] <joey^^> crimsun: yes to try and fix the problem of no sound using gstreamer and co
[05:20] <phin> tarmath: how does kwifimanager handle profiles? pretty well?
[05:20] <kosh> tarmath: many of your sentences don't make sense
[05:20] <DjDarkman> crimsun: with skype ok ,but cedega has alsa output
[05:20] <crimsun> joey^^: read the man page for set-default-soundcard very closely. note in particular the section about the markers and how set-default-soundcard won't touch ~/.asoundrc* if those markers are missing.
[05:21] <tarmath> kosh: I know I can hardly believe it myself, it's getting late and my brain stops working when I grow tired...
[05:21] <_KevinD_> I Don't mean to interrupt, but I'm new to linux and IRC
[05:21] <joey^^> crimsun: whats set-default-soundcard?
[05:21] <tarmath> kosh: thanks for telling me :P
[05:21] <crimsun> joey^^: it's a script that sets the default sound card used by alsa-lib.
[05:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> _KevinD_: What's the problem?
[05:21] <phin> ah
[05:22] <_KevinD_> nothing
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> _KevinD_: Good. :D
[05:22] <phin> lets see how well debfoster kills out ubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <phin> :)
[05:22] <joey^^> crimsun: would have been nice to have known that before i had to create the file myself lol :)
[05:22] <_KevinD_> I just had a little trouble figuring out how to use IRC
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[05:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> I see you figured it out, though. :)
[05:22] <_KevinD_> yep
[05:22] <crimsun> joey^^: that's really a Kubuntu issue. GNOME has it via the control center app (System> Preferences> Sound> default sound card dropdown)
[05:23] <joey^^> crimsun: ye, i had no problem with gnome at all :(
[05:23] <crimsun> I have an open ticket here to wrangle the same thing into Kubuntu's System Settings
[05:23] <joey^^> crimsun: volume control -> file -> change device worked through gnome
[05:24] <crimsun> joey^^: that doesn't set the default device (doesn't call set-default-soundcard/asoundconf) last I checked
[05:25] <regeya> so, I hate to nitpick, but about those System Settings...will that someday have all of kcontrol's functionality?  if not...well, I'll say nothing else as I was taught to say nothing if I had nothing nice to say *wink*  seriously, it looks like a great idea, but in practice I jsut get aggravated.  maybe I'm too brainwashed by using kcontrol all this time.
[05:25] <joey^^> crimsun: i'm not sure, i just remember using that and it worked first time...
[05:25] <crimsun> you should be able to set the volume, yes
[05:25] <_KevinD_> Is there a file I need to edit on my system to make the hard drive spin down after say 20 minutes of inactivity?
[05:26] <_KevinD_> for power conservation
[05:26] <Hobbsee> regeya: i agree with you.  apparently kcontrol was too confusing or something.
[05:26] <Hobbsee> at least both are installed by default!
[05:26] <joey^^> crimsun: it does set the default device in the gnome volume control. i'm also pretty sure it writes the .asoundrc as well
[05:27] <kosh> Hobbsee: kubuntu is trying to make things easier and as such they are missing many options ,however you can always use kcontrol
[05:27] <crimsun> joey^^: either way, it's cool
[05:29] <joey^^> crimsun: my sound finally works, thanks lot :)
[05:29] <crimsun> np.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> kosh: yes, exactly
[05:35] <phin> quick question about kde
[05:36] <phin> does kubuntu have keybindings all set for my volume buttons and such like ubuntu does out the box?
[05:36] <phin> or would i need to hard set these?
[05:39] <thompa> dapper+1
[05:41] <MachineScrew> phin: you need to set them up
[05:42] <phin> ok
[05:42] <phin> just curious before i procedd
[05:42] <MachineScrew> np
[05:43] <phin> thats one nice thing i liked about ubuntu on my first install, all the laptop function buttons Just Worked (tm)
[05:43] <phin> although the only once i use is volume
[05:44] <phin> oh, and the cd one, it umounts and ejects it
[05:53] <Draeven> quick question on entering WEP keys in /etc/network/interfaces - do I have to separate the values with a colon, or just put them all together?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> Draeven: put them all together i think.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Draeven: actually,  i think it's XXXX-XXXX-XX IIRC
[05:56] <robotgeek> Draeven: i have them all together
[06:22] <yoyobean> Hey, what does everybody think about the new Konqueror settings in Breezy? I noticed that a lot of functionality was missing from the menus, so I switched everthing back to the default kde profile.
[06:23] <robotgeek> yoyobean: hah, i am on dapper
[06:24] <regeya> the default kubuntu settings suck for that very reason.  there is no reason to perform a gnome-like castration on kde just to help gnomers hide their sense of inadequacy.  *hides*
[06:24] <regeya> nah, it's a good step, I'm just jokin'.  I did have to enable a few things, though, b/c I went crazy without my window splitting in konq among other things
[06:25] <yoyobean> I don't mind the menu bar cleanup, but it pissed me off when I noticed the missing menu entries.
[06:26] <regeya> heh...you have to admit, though, that the menu bars in default kde are kind of like a top-model swiss army knife:  it has a lot of stuff, but who can keep track of everything?
[06:29] <yoyobean> I also noticed that when I upgraded, control center was taken off the KDE menu, and the replacement "system settings" was nowhere to be found, so I had to install it manually.
[06:29] <regeya> yikes.
[06:30] <Hobbsee> yoyobean: kcontrol should still have been installed...just not on the kmenu
[06:32] <yoyobean> Yeah, it was, but it took me a while to remember what the actual command was.
[06:33] <mischko> What do I need to install to run make?
[06:34] <mischko> automake 1.9?
[06:35] <yoyobean> I don't know a lot about compiling software, but that sounds like a good thing to try.
[06:36] <mischko> didn't work. Make's still not in the path.
[06:36] <ce_christ> hi
[06:36] <mischko> ahh.  "make"
[06:37] <yoyobean> I recently had to compile libmtp by hand to get my mp3 player to work. I finally got it to compile, but I still don't know what the magic combination was.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> mischko: install build-essentials
[06:38] <yoyobean> Normally, you would type "./configure" then "make," but for some reason, it never seems to be this simple.
[06:39] <robotgeek> !compile
[06:39] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[06:40] <mischko> I'm trying to get a new video driver going. The video driver readme is telling me to get the kernel source go to it and make menuconfig, etc.
[06:41] <yoyobean> The problem with apt is that the repositories aren't updated nearly as quickly as new sofware versions come out.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> yoyobean: this is the price to pay for having a stable system, yes
[06:43] <yoyobean> Well, I would not be able to use my mp3 player at all with linux if I just used the repositories, but I'm glad theyr'e there.
[06:44] <mischko> I need ncurses-devel but it's not in Adept's package list.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> mischko: libncurses-dev?
[06:44] <johnshaft> Hi. Is there a way to enable a suspend/hibernate button in the kubuntu logout menu?
[06:44] <mischko> Hobbsee: .. trying that.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> mischko: libncurses5-dev
[06:44] <ce_christ> hi how are u
[06:45] <Hobbsee> johnshaft: you should be able to configure it in klaptop/kpowersave
[06:45] <Hobbsee> in the bottom right corner....
[06:45] <johnshaft> I looked there. I can enable it for my lid close but I don't see anyway to enable an option in the logout screen.
[06:46] <Hobbsee> ah...
[06:46] <johnshaft> Maybe I'm missing something
[06:46] <Hobbsee> i havent seen it
[06:46] <johnshaft> Bummer. I really like KDE more than Gnome but I kinda need this option :(
[06:47] <yoyobean> I wonder if there is a command you can type for this.
[06:47] <robotgeek> johnshaft: maybe look in the Login Manager section
[06:48] <yoyobean> If there is a command for hibernate/suspend, you could set up a keyboard shortcut for it.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> there is - /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh or something...
[06:49] <johnshaft> You would think this would be a pretty standard thing to have in KDE. I'm surprised its not built in
[06:53] <yoyobean> Does anybody here use Adept? Is it as good as Synaptic?
[06:54] <swaits_> i like it a little better - it's different
[06:55] <robotgeek> yoyobean: very nice, i prefer it to synaptic
[06:55] <yoyobean> I'll have to give it a try.
[07:01] <yoyobean> Well, I just installed Adept. I can already tell that I like synaptic's catagory listiing better.
[07:03] <jon_> hi
[07:04] <robotgeek> yoyobean: you are on breezy right? (adept improved in kde 3.5.2)
[07:05] <yoyobean> Yeah.
[07:06] <yoyobean> Just checked: I'm using KDE 3.4.3.
[07:09] <yoyobean> Are there many improvents in Dapper?
[07:09] <imbrandon> tons
[07:09] <imbrandon> ( in dapper )
[07:30] <neoncode> In the konsole. Is it possible to make it so that my command prompt iself is coloured but the output text is just white?
[07:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there?
[07:31] <neoncode> Tallia1Kubuntu: Hi. =)
[07:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there anything similar to kpf but that allow FTP instead of HTTP ?
[07:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the downloading service is very cool but it would be very!! cool to have it for uploads too
[07:33] <neoncode> I don't even know what kpf is... ><;;
[07:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kpf is a plugin for kicker that allow you to create in a VERY fast way a webserver
[07:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you know, linux and MSN for file transfer don't work really well togheter.. :P
[07:34] <yoyobean> You can change the appearance of your promp using environment variables. I'll have to chek what which ones.
[07:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[07:35] <neoncode> Tallia1Kubuntu: Hmm... I dunno you'd be best off finding someone who knows about kpf...
[07:35] <neoncode> Tallia1Kubuntu: And they work for me...
[07:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> they work for you????
[07:37] <neoncode> Tallia1Kubuntu: One of my friends on MSN sends me stuff all the time via kopete. I think she has just plain old MSN aswell...
[07:39] <neoncode> Oh does anyone know what the package for the X includes is?
[07:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> neoncode: if you are on a LAN and you send  a movie via MSN is very...... slow
[07:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> while with FTP is incredibly fast
[07:41] <neoncode> Tallia1Kubuntu: well on MSN I'm not sure but does it upload the file via MSN's servers. So the file travels out of your lan then back into it?
[07:41] <nrdb> I am wondering if USB phones are usable under Linux?
[07:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no, windows user exchange them as fast as if i use FTP
[07:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nrdb: i'd like to know too :)
[07:42] <yoyobean> Ah, $PS1 is the name of one of the variables for changing the prompt. type "man bash" and search for prompting.
[07:45] <yoyobean> I imagine you would need to output ansi escape codes to change the color.
[07:46] <RaRe> !rar
[07:46] <ubotu> well, rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[08:27] <mikeo1> anyone know why clicking the home button in konqueror crashes it and freezes up xgl?
[08:28] <alexnicol> Morning
[08:32] <_gir> meh?
[08:34] <_GiR_> this kubunto thing is cool,.. i just wish it would of allowed me to set my own damn root password   >_<
[08:35] <yoyobean> What is xgl?
[08:35] <mikeo1> xgl is the shit
[08:35] <noaXess> _GiR_: go to the user manager and set it..
[08:36] <noaXess> _GiR_: or a sudo passwd root
[08:36] <yoyobean> You can set a root password, but a lot of people think it's a bad idea.
[08:37] <_GiR_> ohh,.. that was easy   O_o
[08:37] <noaXess> _GiR_: :)
[08:37] <_GiR_> but if i can't be root, how do I install software?
[08:38] <noaXess> sudo apt-get install package
[08:38] <noaXess> after sudo.... you need to input your password
[08:38] <_GiR_> ooOOoooh
[08:38] <noaXess> or use the package manager from the kmenu, system..
[08:38] <noaXess> window based apt-get
[08:40] <_GiR_> I got a little lost when trying to install Opera, it wanted to open up a .deb file in Kate
[08:41] <noaXess> _GiR_: i think kate is not a good choice :)
[08:41] <_GiR_> i know, but it opened it into that on its own,..  >_<
[08:41] <yoyobean> It's been quite a few years since I've actually logged in as root for anything. Is this really neccessary for anything anymore?
[08:41] <noaXess> yoyobean: yea.. if u have forgotten your userpwd.. :)
[08:42] <yoyobean> Not as likely as forgetting the root password.
[08:42] <noaXess> yea.. :)
[08:43] <noaXess> some server application management.. its better to have root access..
[08:43] <noaXess> but on a desktop..
[08:43] <noaXess> if sudo works.. all is good
[08:44] <yoyobean> Well, I do use root privileges, but I never seem to need to log in as root.
[08:45] <noaXess> yoyobean: yes.. thats correct
[08:45] <yoyobean> I think the last time I did so was when I was using redhat 8.
[08:45] <_GiR_> holy crap,.. so thats why the games are missing,.. this pakage installer is pretty awesome   :D
[08:47] <alexnicol> Can someone tell me the sources.list for kubuntu?
[08:47] <imbrandon> !respitorys
[08:47] <ubotu> imbrandon: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:47] <imbrandon> something like that
[08:47] <imbrandon> lol
[08:48] <alexnicol> !repositories
[08:48] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:48] <Terminus> alexnicol: you don't need new repos. just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to get it.
[08:49] <Den> Hi - Ktorrent help please - Using Kubuntu stable, How do I get ktorrent to accept info about dl'ing a torrent (specifically a debian Sarge iso) - there is no help file, and I see no way to enter a torrent file location for download - what do I do?
[08:51] <_GiR_> one thing i'd like to know is,.. is where my other hard drive (and NTFS partition) is mounted to   O_o
[08:51] <alexnicol> I've got it
[08:51] <alexnicol> I'm trying to get something else to install and the guys in the ubuntu rooms wondered if it was due to repos
[08:52] <alexnicol> Terminus - I'm trying to install kooling
[08:52] <Terminus> _GiR_: AFAIK, other partitions and hard drives aren't mounted automatically. you may have to mount them manually and/or edit /etc/fstab
[08:52] <alexnicol> I've downloaded the tar.gz, and I keep getting an error of - checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[08:53] <yoyobean> Everything should be listed in kinfocenter.
[08:53] <Terminus> alexnicol: just searched here. it's not in any of the repos. looks like it may take more than the usual work to get it to run.
[08:53] <Terminus> alexnicol: are you compiling from source?
[08:54] <alexnicol> yeah
[08:54] <alexnicol> when I try and compile it, I get to the line above
[08:55] <oddie> hello
[08:55] <Terminus> alexnicol: i'm guessing that you're missing libqt3-headers.
[08:56] <oddie> has anyone had luck installing/compiling nvidia drivers?
[08:56] <pax> what's kooling, some overclocking utility?
[09:02] <nico8481> hi
[09:04] <alexnicol> Terminus
[09:04] <alexnicol> I've got them
[09:04] <alexnicol> I've installed everything Qt related
[09:04] <Terminus> alexnicol: meh... i have no idea then.
[10:02] <GNU_Style> anyone have any idea of LDAP+Samba for active directory
[10:24] <visik7> GNU_Style:  uh ?
[10:24] <visik7> u can't act as a AD pdc with samba
[10:24] <GNU_Style> wats an active directory server?
[10:24] <GNU_Style> wats ir common use??
[10:24] <visik7> uh ?
[11:08] <noaXess> uh
[11:55] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:55] <Reznor> hallo
[11:59] <fjellrev1> Anyone know if I can assign a command to a key or a mouse button?
[12:24] <burepe> Help, my working tv tuner card lost video. Now I have sound and a black screen, More info here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=929416#post929416
[12:35] <mendred> hi
[12:36] <mendred> i am using k3b to burn dvds
[12:36] <mendred> when it starts it says its burning at 8x
[12:36] <mendred> but it burns only at 2x max
[12:37] <mendred> the writer works fine under nero in windows..
[12:37] <mendred> can someone help?
[01:09] <paines> _mendred: i just burned an iso. it start with 20x and gos then up to 40x. the avarage in the end is 27.50, k3b is configured for 40x. so I guess these "x" values cannot be reached always
[01:12] <visik7> paines: obviously
[01:12] <visik7> also in windows is like this but nero (for example) doesn't show it
[01:12] <visik7> alchool shows
[01:13] <_mendred> visik7: nero takes 10 mins to burn the dvd ..k3b takes half an hour
[01:13] <visik7> half an hour is 2x
[01:13] <visik7> 10 minutes is 8x
[01:13] <visik7> more or less
[01:14] <_mendred> yes
[01:14] <_mendred> thats my problem
[01:14] <visik7> probably k3b doesn't recognize your support as 8x
[01:14] <visik7> try a newer version of k3b
[01:14] <_mendred> nah it does
[01:14] <_mendred> it starts by saying
[01:14] <_mendred> burning at 8.2x
[01:14] <paines> k3b is just an frontend to cdrecord
[01:14] <paines> so get a newer cdrecord
[01:14] <visik7> paines: correct
[01:14] <_mendred> well in this case growisoifs
[01:14] <_mendred> growisofs
[01:14] <_mendred> i mean
[01:15] <_mendred> yeah thats what i am doing
[01:15] <_mendred> right now growisofs 5.21
[01:15] <_mendred> downloading 6.1 source
[01:15] <_mendred> and compiling
[01:39] <ganymed_> hallo
[01:39] <ganymed_> i cannot choose any keyboard layout in kcontrol, though it used to work just one month ago or so. any ideas?
[01:41] <mvv_zZz> ganymed: what does "which xmodmap" say?
[01:42] <ganymed_> where can i find this?
[01:42] <mvv> as an output under the command you give in bash
[01:43] <mvv> (konsole)
[01:43] <ganymed_> didn't think this was an actual command
[01:44] <ganymed_> it is: /usr/bin/xmodmap
[01:44] <silktrader> Hello.
[01:45] <mvv> ganymed: look for your languagecode when you do "locate xmodmap"
[01:45] <mvv> ganymed: and then do "xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.<language>"
[01:45] <silktrader> I seem to be having issues with newly connected hardware ... namely a pcmcia card ...
[01:45] <silktrader> ... is this the right place where to ask?
[01:46] <mvv> ganymed: if your languagecode isn't there you'll need the gnome-applets-data package
[01:46] <ganymed_> mw: is the an x specific prob. or more due to kde?
[01:48] <mvv> ganymed: well, if kde is missing all the layoutd, it might missing a package (the one i mentioned)
[01:48] <ganymed_> there is no xmodmap.<my_language> file...
[01:48] <mvv> the gnome-applets-data is what you want AFAIK
[01:50] <ganymed_> mw: do you mean me?
[01:50] <mvv> ganymed: i had the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=877705&postcount=201
[01:50] <silktrader> Whoopsie.
[01:51] <mvv> ganymed: sry, yes that was for you :)
[01:51] <ganymed_> mw: so the question is: why did it stop working? did they change sth.? or is it because of the kde 3.5.1 upgrade?
[01:52] <silktrader> mvv: Hardware issues concerning ubuntu and pcmcia/usb - no solution in forum - where to look for?
[01:52] <mvv> silktrader: yes this is a place to ask questions, though i am not into hardware so i am not much help...
[01:52] <silktrader> Thanks :-)
[01:53] <ganymed_> okay, thx very much. i guess now it's time for an xserver restart
[01:53] <ganymed_> cu
[01:53] <mvv> ganymed: dunno why, i had this issue from flight5
[01:54] <mvv> oh too late
[01:56] <ganymed_> hi again
[01:56] <mvv> hi
[01:56] <mvv> worked out?
[01:56] <ganymed_> mw: where did you say those xmodmap files should be?
[01:56] <ganymed_> no
[01:57] <mvv> ganymed:  /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.<language>
[01:57] <ganymed_> i installed the gnome-applets-files package... didn't improve the situation, so i thought i might have to run the xmodmap command
[01:58] <ganymed_> this shitty locate command didn't show me all files
[01:59] <mvv> ganymed: but does kcontrol let you choose now?
[01:59] <mvv> ganymed: it should be..
[01:59] <ganymed_> mw: no. but i hadn't executed the command
[01:59] <ganymed_> so restarting again?
[02:00] <mvv> ganymed_: the command doesn;t have to be executed, it's only for changing the layout and that's done in kcontrol too
[02:00] <ganymed_> mw: wait, i am checking again
[02:01] <carl> Hey guys, I need a hand. How do I set proxy for console... as in I want all connections to go through the proxy...
[02:01] <carl> like ping, apt-get and so forth
[02:04] <ganymed_> mw: where do i change the layout
[02:04] <ganymed_> ?
[02:06] <mvv> ganymed_: in kcontrol? the italian flag - keyboardlayout (couldn't find the right word )
[02:07] <ganymed_> mw: sth is really messed up here, i don't even have a euro symbol
[02:09] <ganymed_> yes, but i cannot choose. how is the package called that sets up this module?
[02:09] <mvv> ganymed_: for kde? i have no idea, i am only a user myself
[02:10] <ganymed_> mw: well, it doesn't work, there is nothing to choose
[02:10] <mvv> ganymed_: are you sure you haven't missed the button to enable it in the top-left?
[02:10] <silktrader> carl:export $PROXY
[02:11] <silktrader> carl: to the address:port
[02:11] <silktrader> carl: add to profile whether necessary for automatic loading
[02:12] <ganymed_> mw: NO :)
[02:12] <silktrader> carl: apt-get has its own proxy setting.
[02:12] <silktrader> carl: check in /etc/apt/conf or something.
[02:12] <mvv> ganymed_: okey, then i would try to reboot; maybe KDE only reads these files while booting(?)
[02:13] <silktrader> carl: or something :-)
[02:13] <mvv> ganymed_: just telling what i would do
[02:15] <ganymed_> mw: thx very much. i have to go now. cu+
[02:22] <slow-motion> bbl
[02:54] <Al-Daja> bbl
[02:57] <DocMartin> how can I edit konqueror profiles in kubuntu?
[02:57] <erofee> hi all
[02:57] <DocMartin> hi erofee
[02:57] <erofee> Have a newb php server question, can anyone help?
[02:58] <DocMartin> what exactly is your problem?
[02:58] <cfraz89> hi
[02:59] <erofee> ok, little background
[02:59] <erofee> am using, Kubuntu, Apache2 mysql and PHP4
[02:59] <erofee> am trying to install a CMS
[02:59] <erofee> but when i try and load up the site, the server isn't interpreting the code, it lets me download it
[03:00] <DocMartin> have you installed libapache2-mod-php4?
[03:00] <erofee> i think so, let me check
[03:03] <erofee> yep, have it installed.
[03:03] <DocMartin> ok, open a console and cd to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[03:03] <erofee> yep
[03:04] <DocMartin> do an ls ... is there a file called php4.conf and/or php4.load?
[03:04] <erofee> this is what i get:
[03:04] <erofee> cgi.load  userdir.conf  userdir.load
[03:05] <DocMartin> is this all?
[03:05] <erofee> that's all
[03:05] <DocMartin> sudo ln -s ../mods-availible/php4.conf
[03:05] <DocMartin> and
[03:05] <DocMartin> sudo ln -s ../mods-availible/php4.load
[03:05] <B4zzA> hmm is there a way to install the new version of kde through apt?
[03:05] <DocMartin> sorry, correction
[03:05] <DocMartin> sudo ln -s ../mods-available/php4.load
[03:05] <DocMartin> sudo ln -s ../mods-available/php4.conf
[03:06] <cfraz89> B4zzA: apt-get upgrade should do it
[03:06] <cfraz89> it got mine up to 3.5.2
[03:06] <erofee> done
[03:06] <Hobbsee> B4zzA: see /topic
[03:06] <erofee> what do those commands do?
[03:06] <DocMartin> erofee: now do sudo /etc/init/apache2 restart
[03:06] <B4zzA> ah k ...ill try that
[03:07] <B4zzA> brb
[03:07] <DocMartin> erofee: linking the module to mods-enabled, so they are actually loaded
[03:07] <erofee> do you mean sudo apache2ctl restart?
[03:07] <DocMartin> erofee: there always is one more way to do it, yes
[03:07] <DocMartin> erofee: personal preferences
[03:07] <erofee> apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf
[03:08] <DocMartin> ok ... cd to /etc/apache2/mods-available
[03:08] <DocMartin> is there a file called php4.conf?
[03:08] <erofee> there is
[03:09] <erofee> should i load it up in an editor?
[03:09] <DocMartin> no
[03:09] <DocMartin> cd back to mods-enabled
[03:09] <DocMartin> ls ... are the php4-links red or cyan?
[03:09] <erofee> php4.conf is red, the others are cyan
[03:10] <DocMartin> ok. red links are broken ones ... sudo rm php4.conf
[03:10] <DocMartin> and sudo ln -s ../mods-available/php4.conf
[03:10] <DocMartin> check for typos
[03:11] <erofee> now php4.conf is cyan
[03:11] <DocMartin> and now restart your apache
[03:12] <erofee> done
[03:12] <DocMartin> does your cms work now?
[03:13] <erofee> sort of, now it is having access problems.
[03:13] <DocMartin> what kind of access problems?
[03:13] <erofee> must have entered wrong password in the CMS config file
[03:14] <erofee> but i think that i am in the right direction now
[03:14] <DocMartin> well, that's up to you for experience ;) ... but php does work, does it?
[03:14] <erofee> as far as i can tell it does, Konq give me the error, firefox still wants to download the file.
[03:14] <erofee> weird huh
[03:15] <DocMartin> restart firefox ... sometimes ff is weird on cacheing
[03:15] <DocMartin> Still having the following question: how can I edit konqueror profiles in kubuntu?
[03:16] <erofee> thanks for the help
[03:16] <DocMartin> np
[03:17] <cfraz89> DocMartin: settings, save view profile ?
[03:18] <DocMartin> cfraz89 ... that saves a profile ... I want the sidebar in web profile .. no idea how to accomplish it.
[03:18] <DocMartin> therefore, I'd like to get rid of this profile and use the file browsing mode for it
[03:19] <cfraz89> just leave the sidebar open and save
[03:19] <cfraz89> worked for me
[03:20] <B4zzA> thanks guyz
[03:20] <B4zzA> it worked :)
[03:20] <B4zzA> had to get a source for the new version
[03:21] <DocMartin> B4zzA: what new version are you speaking of? 4.0 or 3.5.2?
[03:25] <nico8481> re
[03:27] <B4zzA> 3.5.2
[03:28] <B4zzA> ...i only just installed kubuntu
[03:28] <Tm_T> err
[03:28] <visik7> B4zzA: are u italian ?
[03:28] <B4zzA> lol?
[03:29] <Tm_T> B4zzA: he's insulting you, I think
[03:29] <cfraz89> B4zza, you could use adept updater
[03:29] <Tm_T> ;-P
[03:29] <visik7> Tm_T: no I'm not insulting B4zzA
[03:29] <cfraz89> the triangle with exclamation mark
[03:29] <visik7> Tm_T: I'm italian
[03:29] <cfraz89> it should get you to 3.5.2
[03:29] <Tm_T> visik7: just joking :p
[03:29] <visik7> nevermind
[03:29] <B4zzA> brb ...restarting X
[03:30] <Tm_T> visik7: anyway, he came from australian jostname, soo, I'm pretty sure he's australian
[03:30] <Tm_T> hostname even
[03:30] <Tm_T> oh well, back to my dark cave ->
[03:30] <visik7> Tm_T: b4zza is an abbrevation for a common italian surname
[03:30] <visik7> oh
[03:30] <visik7> bazza not b4zzA :)
[03:37] <solan> can any1 tell me if there excists a replacement for peerguardian for ubuntu? (running kubuntu desktop)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> you can run peerguardian on kubuntu
[03:37] <solan> where can I download it?
[03:38] <solan> I cant seem to find it..(
[03:41] <solan> Hobbsee: ?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> solan: is dansguardian the same thing?  you might have to google it
[03:43] <solan> I found a replacement called MoBlock, but I get an error when I make... It's for debian...
[03:43] <solan> n00b;)
[03:44] <v3ctor> dansguardian is a content filter
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ah...yes of course...
[03:44] <Hobbsee> we've had dansguardian at school
[03:45] <Hobbsee> solan: what's the make error?
[03:45] <solan> 2seks...
[03:46] <Newps> hi i have a Belkin F5D7010 wireless pc carp d... the system seems to know about it and if i do an ifconfig -a i have an ath0... problem is if i try to bring it up with ifup ath0 i get "Ignoring unknown interface ath0=ath0"
[03:46] <Newps> if i open kwifi it sees the card and if i click "scan for networks" it freezes
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Newps: lovely.  use wlassistant.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> it works *way* better :P
[03:47] <ninHer> hi all
[03:48] <Newps> where is the deb package for that?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Newps: in the repos, i think
[03:48] <solan> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667085
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !info wlassistant
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !info wlassistant dapper
[03:48] <ubotu> wlassistant: (User friendly KDE frontend for wireless network connection), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.5.5-0ubuntu2 (dapper), Packaged size: 139 kB, Installed size: 580 kB
[03:48] <Hobbsee> ah, it's not in breezy...
[03:49] <Hobbsee> solan: ouch
[03:49] <Hobbsee> erofee: are you on breezy or dapper?
[03:50] <solan> Hobbsee: mmmhmmm.....
[03:50] <erofee> i am on breezy
[03:50] <Hobbsee> erofee: darn, okay...kde 3.5.2?
[03:50] <erofee> i think 3.5.1, bear in mind that i have been using linux for about 15 days now so i don't know much
[03:50] <cfraz89> no
[03:50] <cfraz89> use knetworkmanager
[03:51] <B4zzA> is the new dapper closed beta?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> mmm ok
[03:51] <Hobbsee> B4zzA: no, anyone can run it
[03:51] <Hobbsee> erofee: do you use kppp at all?
[03:51] <erofee> yep
[03:51] <Hobbsee> cfraz89: or that
[03:51] <Hobbsee> erofee: there's a long list of bugs for kppp - could you do me a favour, and see what's still a problem in your systems?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> none of the devs are dialup users, it seems :P
[03:52] <cfraz89> knetworkmanager owns all lol
[03:52] <erofee> what do you mean Hobbsee?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> erofee: can you check if https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bugs?field.searchtext=kppp&search=Search&orderby=-priority%2C-severity still exist on yoru system?
[03:52] <Newps> i cant find knetwork manager
[03:53] <Hobbsee> cfraz89: it does.  but it doesnt do dialup yet, i think
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Newps: it's in dapper only, as well
[03:53] <cfraz89> no
[03:53] <erofee> i'll take a look now
[03:53] <Newps> i uncommented all the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:53] <Newps> eh? wheres dapper?
[03:53] <cfraz89> but it handles wireless networks like butter on bread
[03:53] <Hobbsee> cfraz89: exactly :D
[03:53] <cfraz89> are we talking about Newps wireless card?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> erofee: you probably dont have an account, so if you can tell me if you can reproduce teh bug, and which number bug it is, that'd be a help...
[03:54] <Newps> i am
[03:54] <Newps> :)
[03:54] <cfraz89> Newps: dapper is the next version of ubuntu
[03:54] <cfraz89> you should use it lol
[03:54] <cfraz89> its awesome
[03:54] <Newps> um i usally beta test but i just want this POS to get up and running
[03:54] <Newps> im sick of being stuck to my desk
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Newps: which card is it?
[03:55] <cfraz89> well you can add the lines manually to /etc/network/interfaces
[03:55] <cfraz89> i did that on my old computer
[03:55] <Newps> Belkin F5D7010 wireless pc card
[03:55] <cfraz89> i can give you an example
[03:55] <Hobbsee> oh...that...
[03:55] <exsanet> eee....
[03:55] <Hobbsee> yeah, i just read up...
[03:55] <Newps> Iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[03:55] <Newps> auto wlan0
[03:55] <Newps> i added that
[03:55] <cfraz89> actually, Newps, did you try the system settings for it?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Newps: give me a second...
[03:56] <cfraz89> Newps, did you try to set it up graphically?
[03:56] <Newps> and ive been reading ive even tried installing ndswrapper garb for the card to work... just not getting anywhere
[03:56] <cfraz89> in system settings -> Network
[03:56] <Newps> nope i havent
[03:56] <cfraz89> try it
[03:57] <erofee> ID 16269: i uncommented the line to get it working for me
[03:57] <Newps> i see "ath0 -> disabled"
[03:57] <cfraz89> would that be your wireless card?
[03:57] <Newps> *shrugs* lol
[03:57] <Newps> looks like a wireless icon :)
[03:57] <erofee> ID 13694: i have neved used a phone to connect, i use ALSA
[03:57] <cfraz89> ok
[03:57] <cfraz89> try setting it up
[03:58] <Newps> stupid laptop screen only supports 1024x768 and kde settings program will not resize so i can see the buttons on the bottom!
[03:59] <cfraz89> alt click will move it
[03:59] <v3ctor> my laptop only does 800x600
[03:59] <v3ctor> and i have no issues
[03:59] <erofee> ID 37398: i have never used the phone cost calculator, but if you would like me to test it, i will next time i connect and email you the results if you like
[03:59] <Hobbsee> erofee: yep, okay
[03:59] <Hobbsee> that'd be great
[03:59] <Newps> ive been using linux for YEARS and never new that alt-click thing... lol SWEET
[03:59] <Hobbsee> erofee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>works...
[03:59] <cfraz89> lol
[03:59] <cfraz89> there is a kde tips guide somewhere
[03:59] <cfraz89> its full of stuff like that
[04:00] <cfraz89> like if you right click on maximise button, it only maximises horizontally
[04:00] <Hobbsee> argh....someone edited that wiki article
[04:00] <cfraz89> and middle click only vertically
[04:00] <erofee> no worries, next time i connect i will report in
[04:02] <cfraz89> Newps: apparently your card works out of the box in ubuntu
[04:03] <cfraz89> i think using rt2500 driver
[04:03] <cfraz89> my old computer is using it
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Newps: you have to set the IP address, and the gateway, to get rid of that unknown interfaces message
[04:03] <cfraz89> actually
[04:03] <cfraz89> Newps, in your config file
[04:03] <cfraz89> just change wlan0 to ath0
[04:03] <solan> Hobbsee: any idea what wich pg clone I should use? I can't seem to get dansguardian to work...
[04:03] <cfraz89> it should be all good
[04:04] <Hobbsee> sol
[04:04] <Hobbsee> solan: no idea sorry
[04:05] <v3ctor> solan: dansguardian requiers a proxy service
[04:05] <solan> mkay.. thx anyways m8..
[04:05] <v3ctor> requires
[04:05] <solan> aaah... do-oh!
[04:05] <Newps> nope still nada
[04:05] <cfraz89> does anyone here read the megatokyo comics?
[04:05] <cfraz89> nada?
[04:05] <cfraz89> ifup ath0?
[04:05] <Newps> i still get that unknown crap from it.. yup
[04:05] <solan> is there any other alternatives to pg out?
[04:05] <v3ctor> no idea
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Newps: try this.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ifconfig eth0 <ip> netmask <mask>
[04:05] <Hobbsee> route add default gw <gateway_ip>
[04:05] <Newps> and through the gui i jclick enable and it just disables it right away
[04:06] <solan> mkay.. thx;)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> yeah, the GUI tool seems less than great
[04:06] <cfraz89> except use ath0 instead
[04:06] <Newps> ok
[04:06] <Hobbsee> try without the netmask, i didnt need it
[04:06] <cfraz89> Newps, if i were you id upgrade to dapper
[04:06] <Hobbsee> well, yeah
[04:06] <cfraz89> and install knetworkmanager
[04:06] <cfraz89> but its just me
[04:06] <cfraz89> im stupid
[04:06] <v3ctor> squidguard
[04:06] <Hobbsee> cfraz89: there are other bugs in dapper, so...
[04:06] <pax> anyone ubuntu'ing on inspiron 9300, what resolution are you using?
[04:08] <solan> v3ctor: was that for me?
[04:08] <cfraz89> Hobsee, did you try dhclient ath0 ?
[04:08] <v3ctor> solan: yes
[04:08] <v3ctor> solan: all you nned to get dans to work is apt-get install squid
[04:08] <geiseri> Riddell: ping
[04:08] <Riddell> geiseri: hi
[04:08] <solan> v3ctor: mkay... thx
[04:08] <geiseri> hiya buddy :)
[04:08] <v3ctor> then edit the /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf
[04:09] <v3ctor> commment out the UNCONFIGURED  line
[04:09] <geiseri> Riddell: i just upgraded my powerbook (breezy) to your kde 3.5.2 packages, and have some problems, is it worth reporting them somewhere (assuming here is not the place)
[04:09] <geiseri> Riddell: or should i roll back, and wait for dapper?
[04:09] <v3ctor> point you browser to port 8080 and your good
[04:09] <Riddell> geiseri: pokeing me is good, what's the problems?
[04:10] <cfraz89> im having a wierd kde 3.5.2 bug
[04:10] <cfraz89> where a certain website doesnt load at all in konqueror
[04:10] <geiseri> Well the one that is killing me now is KDevelop cannot open any C++ files :)
[04:10] <cfraz89> but does in anything else
[04:10] <solan> v3ctor: thx man;)
[04:10] <v3ctor> np
[04:10] <geiseri> Riddell: the rest of my problems are the shitty quality of the KDE 3.5.x cycle
[04:10] <Newps> ifconfig ath0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>; route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>; ifup ath0;  ---->Ignoring unknown interface ath0=ath0
[04:10] <v3ctor> solan: you will have to restart dansguardian after all that
[04:11] <v3ctor>  /etc/init.d/dansguardian start
[04:11] <Riddell> geiseri: what's the error you get?
[04:13] <cfraz89> i like kate
[04:14] <solan> v3ctor: what did you mean by me pointing my web browser to 8080?
[04:14] <geiseri> Riddell: "No suitable viewer was found for the text/x-c++src mimetype"  it then asks if I want to let KDE find a suitable program (where it opens an external kate) or open it in KDevelop as plain text.  If I select plain text in kdevelop it keeps looping into the dialog.
[04:14] <v3ctor> solan: the proxy settings on your browser
[04:14] <solan> aaah.. mkay
[04:14] <geiseri> Riddell: since the kate developers broke kate, it opens a new instance for each file :P
[04:15] <v3ctor> solan: if all works well...you can test it by goung to aol.com
[04:15] <v3ctor> going*
[04:15] <v3ctor> should block it
[04:16] <Riddell> geiseri: that kate thing is fixed in dapper
[04:16] <geiseri> Riddell: ah, okay
[04:17] <geiseri> Riddell: this is my work laptop, so im hesitant to go to dapper, but at this point I cannot do any Qt development under linux (ive been using OSX for the last few months at work)
[04:17] <geiseri> Riddell: do you have an idea on the mimetype thing?
[04:17] <_chris> im not sure if either the ifconfig ......... netmask.... did the trick or the dhclient did it but my wireless work now even after reboot through the system settings in kde!!!!!!
[04:17] <geiseri> Riddell: or could that be a kate issue too?
[04:17] <Newps> so THANKS GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:17] <cfraz89> np!
[04:17] <cfraz89> cool
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Newps: yay!
[04:18] <Newps> im like beside myself
[04:18] <Hobbsee> :D
[04:18] <cfraz89> awesomeness
[04:18] <Newps> i even tried fedora core 5 to get it working
[04:18] <Hobbsee> probably the setting of it once, then it sets it correctly again the next time
[04:18] <Newps> hehe
[04:18] <Hobbsee> ew....
[04:18] <cfraz89> does it work like that?
[04:18] <Riddell> geiseri: let me try it on dapper now
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Newps: meet google though, it gets answers quite quikcly
[04:18] <Newps> ive been googling mhy heart out
[04:18] <geiseri> Riddell: okay
[04:19] <Newps> sometime ya just miss something i guess
[04:19] <cfraz89> does anyone here read megatokyo?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Newps: ah ok, googling the exact error message used to come up with a ndiswrapper page, which had the commands to use to fix it
[04:19] <Newps> got to run ... thanks all!!
[04:19] <Newps> sweet
[04:19] <geiseri> Riddell: btw, i wanted to talk to you a bit about getting a version of breezy put together that didn't use the 2.6 kernels, since my Teron system wont boot with those
[04:19] <geiseri> Riddell: but thats another issue saved for weekends :)
[04:20] <Riddell> geiseri: "debian"
[04:20] <geiseri> Riddell: yeah, but im addicted to the niceness of kubuntu ;)
[04:20] <geiseri> Riddell: but, i figured i could go that route worst case senario
[04:25] <solan> how the h*** do I stop dansguardian... or how do I chang what sites it is supposed to block?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> killall dansguardian, maybe?
[04:26] <v3ctor> solan: edit /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf
[04:27] <v3ctor> you can remove the proxy entry on your browser
[04:27] <v3ctor>  == quick fix
[04:28] <Riddell> geiseri: kdevelop seems to be working for me, is the problem opening C++ files from konqueror?
[04:28] <geiseri> no, just from KDevelop.
[04:28] <geiseri> it may be something got munched when i upgraded
[04:28] <geiseri> Riddell: are you on dapper, or breezy + kde 3.5.2 packages?
[04:28] <Riddell> geiseri: this is dapper, let me try in a breezy chroot
[04:29] <geiseri> Riddell: thx
[04:29] <Riddell> Al-Daja: please don't use away scripts here
[04:30] <solan> thx:)
[04:31] <v3ctor> solan: it is pretty restrictive by default
[04:32] <v3ctor> you can edit the /etc/dansguardian/banned* config to allow/restrict...or use the exception* files
[04:35] <Riddell> geiseri: working fine for me, or at least it's opening c++ files and not complaining at all
[04:35] <geiseri> Riddell: grmbl... okay, it must be a problem between the chair and the keyboard :P
[04:35] <geiseri> thx
[04:36] <geiseri> Riddell: the other question was about the zeroconf stuff, it complains about msdnsd not running, but i cannot find the daemon in any package in breezy
[04:37] <Riddell> geiseri: install avahi-daemon
[04:37] <geiseri> Riddell: this is not important, but nice, when i want to get stuff off my mac
[04:37] <geiseri> do i need to configure it at all?
[04:37] <Riddell> geiseri: oh, I don't know how well the package worked in breezy
[04:37] <Riddell> geiseri: no, it should just run once installed
[04:37] <geiseri> Riddell: okay, well ill give it a spin, its not a show stopper, KDevelop is the most important thing to my life :)
[04:38] <Riddell> geiseri: in the documentation tab in KDevelop it only shows Qt docs not KDE docs, do you know where those are defined?
[04:38] <geiseri> Riddell: i have to admit, that of the last 5 laptops and 6 workstations here, kubuntu breezy has worked very well out of the box
[04:39] <geiseri> Riddell: ah, the docs should be in some .toc files in the KDevAssistant stuff... (i would have to check the exact path on my test box's source build)
[04:40] <Riddell> geiseri: if you add --use  to the kate .desktop file that should stop it opening a new kate each time
[04:41] <joey^^> ouch, 705mb of 1024!! kde is a real hog, lol
[04:42] <geiseri> Riddell: ah, okay, thanks
[04:42] <robotgeek> joey^^: that's not a bad thing, using the memory you have
[04:43] <joey^^> robotgeek: ye, i just never seen that much used when i'm running barely no apps
[04:45] <joey^^> it's hard to see whats using it as well
[04:45] <geiseri> yeah, this is where linux sucks the big donkeys
[04:45] <geiseri> at least on OSX, I can see how much _real_ memory kde apps take up
[04:45] <joey^^> could be a memory leak, amount keeps incrementing
[04:46] <geiseri> joey^^: its probibally cache
[04:46] <geiseri> linux will cache crap until your real memory is full
[04:46] <joey^^> :o
[04:46] <geiseri> then if you need to swap, it will clean up stuff from cache
[04:46] <geiseri> so if you open/close quite a few apps it will look like memory is leaking, but its really cache
[04:47] <joey^^> ^^
[04:47] <joey^^> used to gentoo + fluxbox, which never goes higher than 300mb :P
[04:47] <geiseri> well fluxbox is only one program, so depending on your usage, it may very well stay low
[04:48] <geiseri> if you use kde applictions you have things like kioslaves, kded, etc running
[04:48] <joey^^> ye, there is quite a bit of eye candy in kde
[04:48] <joey^^> i think i remember artsd being a bit of a hog with resources
[04:49] <geiseri> joey^^: well not only eyecandy, but things like network transparency, and shared desktop services add up
[04:49] <joey^^> i have to admit, kde is much more polished than gnome
[04:50] <joey^^> i was getting horrible performance and flicker in gnome
[04:58] <geiseri> Riddell: fixed it, i wacked my kate and kdevelop settings and reconfigured them...
[04:58] <geiseri> Riddell: thx for you testing on your end though
[05:02] <Riddell> geiseri: cool, I wonder what was up with it
[05:03] <geiseri> im wondering if its because of how i had upgraded
[05:03] <Broxtor> How stable is Dapper at the moment?
[05:03] <geiseri> i was using horay, then i got updated kde packages for that backported from breezy, then i upgrade to breezy
[05:04] <geiseri> and now i upgraded the kde packages backported from dapper...
[05:04] <geiseri> Riddell: i would assume, since i was using non-official configurations, that somehow i screwed something up
[05:05] <Riddell> Broxtor: beta will be out this week
[05:05] <v3ctor> Broxtor: i have been running it for a while and it seems pretty solid to me
[05:05] <_foobar> I second that, though some apps are still pretty unstable
[05:05] <Broxtor> Riddell: v3ctor: Sounds good to me.
[05:06] <Broxtor> Are there already repositories available with mplayer and such?
[05:06] <_foobar> of course
[05:06] <wsjunior> i've installed kubuntu-desktop in ubuntu.. is there any metapackage to delete all gnome-related packages?
[05:07] <Broxtor> I will think I will give it a try then. Thanks for the response all.
[05:07] <_foobar> a question for all those dapper users: is amarok stable with your music?
[05:08] <_foobar> my amarok keeps crashing every hour or so...
[05:08] <v3ctor> _foobar: i have been using it all day to play my ogg
[05:08] <_foobar> using 1.4 beta 3
[05:08] <robotgeek> wsjunior: http://robotgeek.org/wiki/ShellScripts/CleanPackage
[05:09] <_john> how do you get konqueror looking like it did in 5.04 for a filebrowser?
[05:09] <v3ctor> amaroK: 1.3.9
[05:09] <_john> like with teh sidebar on the side and a smaller window
[05:09] <_john> if i remember correctly there was a command line command to do this
[05:09] <_john> like you had to copy something or something
[05:09] <_foobar> yeah, maybe I'll just have to wait for the next stable ;)
[05:09] <robotgeek> http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror _foobar
[05:09] <robotgeek> err, _john
[05:10] <_john> oh crap
[05:10] <arcanistherogue> sorry, i always forget to set that as default
[05:10] <arcanistherogue> this is a new kubuntu install
[05:11] <robotgeek> arcanistherogue: that link maybe what you are looking for
[05:11] <arcanistherogue> thats exactly it
[05:11] <v3ctor> f9 will bring up the navaigation panel
[05:11] <arcanistherogue> see, i had the same kubu install since october, so now that i had to reinstall i forgot what to do but i remember doing it
[05:11] <arcanistherogue> robotgeek: thanks alot
[05:11] <v3ctor> if that is what _john was talking about
[05:12] <arcanistherogue> now, i think im going to upgrade amarok...
[05:16] <dueyfinster> Hello all, Just wondering, whats command for KDE Defaults GUI? I am trying to set Nautilus as default, is that the best way of doing it?
[05:16] <Tm_T> dueyfinster: you can't use nautilus in KDE really
[05:17] <Tm_T> dueyfinster: don't see even why would you like to
[05:18] <dueyfinster> Tm-T: I already do, I like to set it to sudo (I know this is not recommended, but anyhoo). I find Konqueror too buggy, and I prefer nautilus icons+scripts feature
[05:18] <dueyfinster> Tm_T: I already do, I like to set it to sudo (I know this is not recommended, but anyhoo). I find Konqueror too buggy, and I prefer nautilus icons+scripts feature
[05:18] <Tm_T> well, er
[05:19] <Tm_T> no, I don't know
[05:19] <dueyfinster> Tm_T: Ok thanks, its just I lost it out of my KMenu
[05:20] <v3ctor> run kmenuedit and put it back
[05:21] <dueyfinster> v3ctor: I would, but I don't know its command
[05:21] <v3ctor> kmenuedit
[05:21] <v3ctor> oh..you mean nautilus?
[05:22] <dueyfinster> v3ctor: I know that, but I am looking for command of KDE Defaults GUI
[05:22] <dueyfinster> v3ctor: You can set diff progs depending on ext.
[05:23] <arcanistherogue> one more thing
[05:23] <arcanistherogue> in konqueror, i have 2 search bars
[05:23] <arcanistherogue> http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2685/2sb2bh.png
[05:23] <arcanistherogue> see, for some reason there are two google search bars
[05:23] <arcanistherogue> how do i go about removing the second one?
[05:24] <mvv_zZz> arcanistherogue: are both google extensions enabled?
[05:25] <arcanistherogue> how would i check?
[05:25] <arcanistherogue> i just decided to use konqueror like 10 mins ago, i have only used it for a  filebrowser up until now
[05:25] <mvv_zZz> arcanistherogue: konqueror-  settings- setup extensions (translated though)
[05:25] <arcanistherogue> configure extensions, i think thats what it is
[05:25] <arcanistherogue> aha
[05:25] <arcanistherogue> both are
[05:25] <arcanistherogue> you are right
[05:26] <arcanistherogue> thanks a lot man
[05:26] <mvv_zZz> :)
[05:26] <Emsko> why should i use kubuntu instead of gnome ubuntu?
[05:26] <arcanistherogue> Emsko: because of KDE :D
[05:26] <arcanistherogue> mw_zZz, one last thing
[05:26] <Emsko> kde is better?
[05:27] <arcanistherogue> how do i get it to save profiles
[05:27] <arcanistherogue> like now after i closed konqueror it happaned again
[05:27] <arcanistherogue> Emsko: many people prefer kde, many peolpe prefer gnome.  people using kubuntu generally prefer gnome :D
[05:27] <arcanistherogue> er kde i mean
[05:27] <dueyfinster> Emsko: All a personal choice really
[05:27] <mvv_zZz> Emsko: just another anvirionment, you have to like it more than gnome to use it (it's about you)
[05:27] <arcanistherogue> kubuntu users prefer KDE
[05:28] <arcanistherogue> Emsko:  http://kde.org http://gnome.org
[05:28] <arcanistherogue> compare
[05:28] <mvv_zZz> *environment
[05:28] <Emsko> is kubuntu as supported and up-to-date as regular ubuntu?
[05:28] <Emsko> it seems you guys have a smaller community
[05:29] <dueyfinster> Emsko: Smaller yes, but it is as well supported and up-to-date as ubuntu, because KDE can use gnome applications and vice-versa
[05:30] <mlehrer> so how painful is it to build a new alsa driver for ubuntu
[05:30] <mlehrer> my new motherboard's sound card requires the latest alsa
[05:30] <mlehrer> does that mean i need to grab kernel source and build a whole new kernel
[05:31] <v3ctor> we don't have smaller community...we just need less support ;)
[05:31] <mvv_zZz> arcanistherogue: in settings there is something like Save profile "kubuntu web" (again, Dutch is totally different)
[05:31] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[05:31] <arcanistherogue> thank you
[05:31] <arcanistherogue> dutch is a pretty cool language
[05:31] <arcanistherogue> hey, are you that guy from the forums, I sent a message to?
[05:31] <mvv_zZz> lol
[05:31] <arcanistherogue> the KDE guy
[05:32] <arcanistherogue> kubuntu team
[05:32] <mvv_zZz> no i am not a member of any team if you meant me
[05:32] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[05:32] <mvv_zZz> just a user like you ;)
[05:32] <nico8481> i've got a problem with firefox' media plugins (mplayer) : it seems to load the videos which are embedded in webpages, but never displays them, although sometimes i get only the sound
[05:32] <nico8481> any idea?
[05:32] <arcanistherogue> there was a guy who spoke dutch who was on the kubuntu team, I remember I talked to him about it
[05:33] <arcanistherogue> nico8481: same thing happens to me
[05:33] <arcanistherogue> nico8481: in the end i just save the media from the sourcfe
[05:33] <arcanistherogue> like view the page source, then in there search for .mpg or .wmv and save the video file
[05:33] <nico8481> arcanistherogue: yup me too but that's boring... and sometimes the media isn't even mentionned in the source html
[05:33] <gnuton> Hi
[05:34] <arcanistherogue> true
[05:34] <arcanistherogue> hello gnuton
[05:34] <nico8481> arcanistherogue: any idea why it doesn't work?
[05:35] <arcanistherogue> nico8481:  no clue man, i might be abandoning FF though, I really liked opera in the time i used it and i might want to switch to konqueror so i have the full KDE experience
[05:35] <mvv_zZz> nico8481: could be codec issue?
[05:35] <arcanistherogue> nico8481:  all though i remember opera worked much better, flash synced (somtimes audio lags on FF in linux) and if i recall correctly videos played
[05:36] <C-O-L-T> How to insert text box in OpenOffice Writer, Writer is getting on my nerves, can not get this menu :))
[05:37] <nico8481> arcanistherogue: hmm i might have a look at it...
[05:37] <arcanistherogue> man konqueror is so nice and i want to use it so badly, but its so ahrd to get it the way i like it...
[05:37] <arcanistherogue> but opera, i loved that browser
[05:37] <arcanistherogue> woo
[05:37] <nico8481> mvv_zZz: i think they're all installed
[05:38] <mvv_zZz> nico8481: do you have a link to one that doesn't work? (just for testing here with konqueror@kmplayer and firefox)
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> C-O-L-T: insert a frame - I think is what you want.
[05:39] <C-O-L-T> ok
[05:39] <nico8481> mvv_zZz: uh not right now it's something i've noticed over time... lemme find one :)
[05:40] <C-O-L-T> LeeJunFan: Thanks
[05:40] <C-O-L-T> LeeJunFan: that is it
[05:40] <nico8481> mvv_zZz: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~rdalhoff/embedvideo.html <-- none of them seems to work (although i get some sound but i don't know from which one :p)
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> C-O-L-T: your welcome.
[05:42] <arcanistherogue> well im out
[05:42] <arcanistherogue> see everyone later
[05:43] <mvv_zZz> nico8481: i get video and audio on the two above in firefox
[05:43] <mvv_zZz> nico8481: konqueror crashes though
[05:44] <rikva> If I install the Dapper beta on my notebook, and Dapper is being officially released, will I upgrade to the 'stable' Dapper?
[05:45] <mvv_zZz> nico8481: i use mozilla-mplayer plugin with w32codecs
[05:45] <robotgeek> rikva: yes, automagically
[05:45] <rikva> robotgeek: cool.
[05:45] <nico8481> mvv_zZz: yup i think i got both installed...lemme have another check :)
[05:51] <croesus> new to the apt system, is there anyway to install jre for firefox using apt or do I have to do the sun download crap...forgive my attitude please, I just found out I got divorced this morning...
[05:52] <robotgeek> !javadebs
[05:53] <joey^^> !mplayer
[05:53] <ubotu> methinks mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[05:55] <joey^^> that howto doesn't mention mplayer-nogui
[05:56] <joey^^> for some reason mplayer can't use xv
[05:57] <joey^^> odd, direct rendering isn't enabled
[05:57] <robotgeek> joey^^: set in /etc/mplayer.conf, or ~/.mplayer/mplayer.conf
[06:02] <joey^^> robotgeek: when i reconfigured xorg i think it removed the ati config stuff.
[06:02] <joey^^> brb
[06:04] <solan> does any1 know of a good wifi applet for KDE? I really like gtkwifi for GNOME and I'm looking for something like that...
[06:05] <rikva> kwifimanager?
[06:06] <solan> thx... I'll try it
[06:06] <DarkED> hi
[06:06] <slow-motion> re
[06:07] <DarkED> i need a little help...im trying to get my laptop multimedia keys (all i need is sound) working in kde
[06:07] <DarkED> i already tried the 'fixes' but a shell wont even pick em up
[06:07] <DarkED> they work in gnome so i cant figure it out :D
[06:08] <_abbenormal> hello all
[06:08] <DarkED> hi
[06:08] <v3ctor> DarkED: kmilo ?
[06:08] <_abbenormal> is adept broken in 6.06
[06:11] <_abbenormal> i get a error apt database could not be opened cause maybe incorrect apt configuration try apt-setup and apt-get update see if it helps to resolve the problem
[06:12] <_abbenormal> try apt-setup not found but apt-get update works fine no errors can install thru apt-get install
[06:12] <_abbenormal> any ideas as to where to look
[06:12] <_abbenormal> also can add servers with nano and works fine with update and upgrade
[06:13] <solan> I don't have any keyboard models in the keyboard layout configuration...? wtf?
[06:14] <DarkED> ok, v3ctor suggested KMilo for my sound keys problem, apt-get says i have it, how do I run it?
[06:15] <DarkED> i tried kmilo from a shell, but nodda
[06:18] <slow-motion> bbl
[06:20] <v3ctor> http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=kmilo
[06:21] <DarkED> thats where i akm
[06:21] <DarkED> am*
[06:21] <DarkED> it doesnt say anything about how to use it except 'run kdeutils'
[06:21] <noaXess> what is the latest kernel of kubuntu breezy?
[06:21] <DarkED> how do i run kdeutils? lol, sorry
[06:23] <noaXess> !kernel
[06:23] <mvv> !GPLv3
[06:23] <ubotu> mvv: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:25] <_abbenormal> should i try and remove adept and reinstall it
[06:27] <waylandbill> I'm having trouble mounting a samba share. My syslog shows "smbfs: mount_data version<PHONE_NUMBER> is not supported.
[06:27] <juan> a
[06:28] <larsris> I'm about to install Kubuntu on a new machine. Is "Kubuntu Flight 6 Released" a risky option?
[06:28] <_abbenormal> no
[06:28] <_abbenormal> im playing with it right now and so far it is all working fine
[06:29] <_abbenormal> loaded it up last night
[06:29] <larsris> cool ... better than breezy?
[06:29] <mvv> larsis: not really, but you're probably gona have to download updates daily. Personally i would wait until the first beta (this week)
[06:30] <mvv> larsis: yes, definately (for me)
[06:30] <larsris> yes, but I'm in a hurry
[06:30] <_abbenormal> lol
[06:30] <larsris> mw: hassle?
[06:30] <waylandbill> in a hurry... gets me thinking of a car crash... :-)
[06:31] <larsris> gonna go somewhere, and windows is not an option
[06:31] <mvv> larsis: nope all the updates from flight4 gone smooth here, i can't see a reason why not to
[06:32] <_abbenormal> only problem im seeing right now is adept is not working right
[06:32] <_abbenormal> but if you know how to use apt then its not to bad
[06:32] <larsris> mw: cool, so you mean "definetly" go for relaease 6, not breezy (not deinitly avoid it?
[06:33] <larsris> I now the basics of apt, having had breezy for half a year
[06:33] <_abbenormal> i like living on the edge so for me i want to play but then i use sid also
[06:33] <jpetso> Riddell: you rejected my bug named 'Search in about:konqueror disrespects "gg blah" instead of "gg:blah"'...
[06:33] <larsris> i see
[06:34] <jpetso> Riddell: that search bar may be for kiolocate initally, but:
[06:34] <larsris> somtimes cool to be on the edge, but I need somethng to work pretty soon ..
[06:35] <jpetso> Riddell: 1. it changes the search target together with the respective Konqueror default search engine, and
[06:35] <waylandbill> sid... that's a little too on the edge for my tastes
[06:35] <jpetso> Riddell: 2. it is _not_ Google specific, it is just as valid for kiolocate
[06:36] <mvv> larsris: no i would choose dapper since it has a lot fixes that still are present in breezy. Dapper has been even more stable to me than breezy... (?)
[06:36] <_abbenormal> it wi\orks great as long as you dont mind working on it
[06:36] <_abbenormal> works
[06:36] <jpetso> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/27238 , for the record
[06:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27238 in kdebase konqueror "Search in about:konqueror disrespects "gg blah" instead of "gg:blah"" [Minor,Rejected]
[06:37] <jpetso> yeah, right, nasty bot
[06:37] <Riddell> jpetso: you are talking about the ber next to "locate: search for local files"?
[06:37] <_abbenormal> but you know you wont know for sure until you at least try
[06:37] <Riddell> s/ber/bar/
[06:37] <larsris> mw: yes, dapper worked better for me to, but I needed breezy because kbabel
[06:38] <larsris> .. that did not run on dapper
[06:38] <jpetso> Riddell: I think that's what's initially there, it changed to "Google:" at my system when I switched the default search engine
[06:39] <jpetso> Riddell: the point is that it doesn't follow the option Web Shortcuts -> Keyword delimiter
[06:39] <Riddell> jpetso: it doesn't respect any web shortcuts though
[06:40] <jpetso> Riddell: but it uses the default search engine which is a web shortcut itself
[06:41] <clem_yeats> my network interfaces don't come up when I use the KDE network config application.. anybody got that problem ?
[06:41] <jpetso> Riddell: and I'd really like to have a space ("locate bla") instead of a colon ("locate:bla") and have the about:konqueror search bar work nevertheless
[06:41] <_abbenormal> whats /etc/network/interface say
[06:42] <_abbenormal> cat /etc/network/interface
[06:42] <Antartika> interfaces ;)
[06:42] <Riddell> jpetso: right, I see what you mean now
[06:42] <_abbenormal> sorry
[06:42] <clem_yeats> _abbenormal : in #trash ?
[06:42] <jpetso> Riddell: could you please reopen the bug? *lookingverysweet*
[06:43] <Riddell> jpetso: yep, I've set it to Confirmed
[06:43] <clem_yeats> _abbenormal : I'll paste it in #trash ...
[06:43] <jpetso> Riddell: thanks
[06:44] <Riddell> jpetso: tvo is the dude to fix that, if you see him then give him a poke
[06:44] <jpetso> Riddell: where do I get to see those patches anyway, maybe I could fix it myself
[06:45] <jpetso> Riddell: I mean, where's the repository for that?
[06:45] <Riddell> jpetso: apt-get source kdebase
[06:45] <jpetso> Riddell: ah, ok, thanks
[06:45] <Riddell> jpetso: possibly also kdeaddons
[06:46] <Riddell> and it'll be in debian/patches
[06:46] <jpetso> Riddell: (not that I could fetch kdebase with my 56k connection at the moment)
[06:47] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[06:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[06:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: yo
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I posted on kubuntu-devel sorry ;)
[06:53] <mlehrer> has anyone else seem an apt-get upgrade lock up doing this:
[06:53] <mlehrer> Setting up udev (079-0ubuntu25) ...
[06:54] <Tonio_> mlehrer: it is long, be patient :)
[06:54] <Tonio_> took about 2 minutes for me
[06:54] <arcanistherogue> where is kde installed on kubuntu?
[06:59] <arcanistherogue> So this seal walks into a club...
[07:00] <mlehrer> Tonio_: been going for 1/2 hr so far
[07:01] <mlehrer> cpu usage 0
[07:01] <kkathman> arcanistherogue: ~/.kde
[07:01] <Tonio_> mlehrer: sounds a bit long indeed :)
[07:02] <kkathman> arcanistherogue:  at least thats where your settings, personal things are stored, obviously KDE is a large install and many things are in /usr/bin and other libs
[07:03] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:06] <puckman> wow, just changed date and time in flight 6 and when I hit reply the whole screen blinks black
[07:06] <mlehrer> Tonio_: yeah, seems wedged
[07:08] <ciga> hi
[07:08] <ciga> I'd like to see a ! sign in my kicker applet if I have updates. What should I do?
[07:09] <mlehrer> puckman: you probably activated the screen saver
[07:10] <DarkED> im having a problem with the multimedia keys on my keyboard
[07:10] <DarkED> which file do i need to add the keycodes into?
[07:10] <puckman> mlehrer: thanks, looks like it
[07:10] <robotgeek> ciga: are you on breezy?
[07:11] <steveire> My flash player wont play sounds
[07:11] <ciga> no, dapper
[07:11] <steveire> It's like there's a mute button pressed, but it's not muted.
[07:11] <steveire> Any ideas?
[07:12] <robotgeek> ciga: i think it's called adept notifier
[07:12] <ciga> robotgeek: me, too :)
[07:12] <ciga> adept_notifier: checking updates status
[07:12] <ciga> but nothing happens.
[07:12] <robotgeek> ciga: it does work for me, so i don't know what's wrong with yours
[07:12] <ciga> maybe I should add something to my panel, but I dunno what
[07:13] <ciga> robotgeek: I don't have a full install.
[07:13] <ciga> I upgraded from breezy.
[07:13] <robotgeek> ciga: same here
[07:13] <ciga> and selected the packages myself.
[07:13] <robotgeek> that i did not do
[07:13] <ciga> robotgeek: then you can right click on the applet to check what it is.
[07:14] <robotgeek> ciga: it appears only when there are updates
[07:14] <ciga> robotgeek: I think the applet is running, but does not show anything until there is no updates.
[07:15] <ciga> is not it?
[07:15] <robotgeek> ciga: yup
[07:16] <DarkED> oh well, screw it then
[07:19] <ciga> robotgeek: thanks anyway.
[07:30] <_luke> hi
[07:31] <dagobert> hi
[07:32] <roc> hiya... this seems to be a pretty dead place at the moment... flee! xD
[07:32] <dagobert> semms like it
[07:32] <dagobert> *seems
[07:32] <dagobert> some1 experience with mp3 support?
[07:32] <dagobert> *in kubuntu
[07:33] <robotgeek> dagobert, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:33] <dagobert> yes i did, i read different pages etc. but i was interested in some personal opinions
[07:34] <dagobert> ive tried suse 10 but failed horibly with the mp3 support
[07:35] <dagobert> any1?
[07:35] <bert_> Are you using kubuntu?
[07:35] <robotgeek> dagobert: well, it works
[07:36] <bert_> What works? mp3?
[07:36] <dagobert> WELL NOT YET BUT IM THINKING ABOUT IT; IVE JUST DOWNLOADED MANDRAKE
[07:36] <dagobert> (sry 4 tghe capitals)
[07:37] <bert_> Well, if youve downloaded mandrake, why are you in  the kubuntu forum?
[07:37] <dagobert> in suse it was suposed 2 be easy as well but it didnt proof 2 be
[07:37] <dagobert> well im looking at different options at the moment
[07:38] <dagobert> thats y
[07:39] <bert_> Well I've got mp3 working in kubuntu, works in ubuntu too, breezy and I'm using dapper now
[07:40] <fraki> any good guides on iptables through webmin?
[07:40] <puckman> dapper rocks
[07:40] <_abbenormal> ok anyway to fix adept
[07:40] <bert_> Well dapper is still only in a testing stage, but I don't have any real problems
[07:41] <puckman> oops
[07:41] <puckman> just found one
[07:41] <puckman> I cant unzip a file
[07:41] <bert_> What's wrong with adept
[07:41] <_abbenormal> only problem i have with it so far is adept is not working
[07:41] <puckman> _abbenormal: run adept in terminal once and do an update
[07:41] <_abbenormal> ok
[07:41] <puckman> after that adept gui will work
[07:42] <puckman> you will get an error complaining about a mime type but you can ignore that
[07:42] <bert_> I use Synatic
[07:42] <puckman> so, anyone have any problems with extracting zips in dapper?
[07:42] <robotgeek> never, actually
[07:43] <bert_> Never tried, I will have to go and have a look
[07:43] <_abbenormal> Failed to open device
[07:43] <_abbenormal> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[07:43] <_abbenormal> Major opcode:  144
[07:43] <_abbenormal>   Minor opcode:  3
[07:43] <_abbenormal>   Resource id:  0x0
[07:43] <_abbenormal> Failed to open device
[07:43] <fraki> mind if I ask whether anyone knows what I can do to get 5 in 1 card reader working
[07:43] <_abbenormal> kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
[07:44] <_abbenormal> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running
[07:44] <bert_> I use Krusader, it opend a zip file OK
[07:44] <robotgeek> _abbenormal, don't paste in here. Please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:45] <_abbenormal> sorry
[07:45] <puckman> Shame that Gaim 2.0 is not available via adept yet
[07:46] <puckman> will have to use alien again to convert a rpm
[07:48] <bert_> puckman, have you got krusader installed?
[07:48] <ainmosni> whats new in gaim2?
[07:48] <ainmosni> <--- kopete fan
[07:49] <puckman> krusader?
[07:49] <puckman> ainmosni: I like Kopete as well but miss a lot of features
[07:49] <puckman> mind you, not tried the latest version yet
[07:50] <ainmosni> like?
[07:50] <bert_> real neat 2 panel file manager, I wouldn't be without it
[07:50] <ainmosni> i dunno i never really liked gaim somehow
[07:50] <puckman> bert_: can I get it via adept?
[07:50] <crimsun> gaim 2.0 isn't even released. how can it be in the repositories?
[07:50] <ainmosni> i used center/bitlbee until i saw the newest kopete
[07:50] <ainmosni> with webcam support
[07:51] <crimsun> seb has 2.0 beta 3 debs at deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb ./
[07:51] <ainmosni> konq is nice imho
[07:51] <puckman> oooh, kopette in flight 6 looks very different
[07:51] <ainmosni> and afaik you can make it 2 paned
[07:51] <puckman> I miss the finder from osx
[07:51] <ainmosni> heh
[07:51] <bert_> puckman, Yes
[07:51] <puckman> collumn view rocks
[07:51] <robotgeek> yup, click the navigation panel i guess
[07:51] <ainmosni> finder was the most critizised app of os x
[07:52] <ainmosni> most apple fans hated it
[07:52] <ainmosni> dont really know why
[07:52] <ainmosni> it did the job
[07:52] <puckman> Not me.
[07:52] <ainmosni> but i love konq as file manager
[07:52] <bert_> No, krusader is better as a file manager
[07:53] <ainmosni> havent found anything i liked more
[07:53] <bert_> have you tried krusader?
[07:53] <puckman> ainmosni: new kopette really looks nice
[07:53] <puckman> will use it for a few days and see how I fare
[07:53] <ainmosni> bert_: not yet, im installing it now
[07:54] <puckman> hmmm, zipping does not work at all for me in konq
[07:54] <puckman> that sucks
[07:54] <bert_> ainmosni, I think you will like it
[07:55] <bert_> with krusader you can switch into root and edit your config files real easy
[07:56] <bert_> well I can open a zip file with krusader OK
[07:56] <ainmosni> heh
[07:56] <ainmosni> kinda weird
[07:56] <ainmosni> i always use the shell for that
[07:57] <ainmosni> but then again
[07:57] <ainmosni> im a shell junkie
[07:57] <ainmosni> nothing beats a well configged zsh
[07:57] <bert_> I can open a zip file in konq
[07:57] <ainmosni> especially paired with a good scripting language like perl or ruby
[07:57] <ainmosni> heh
[07:58] <puckman> ok, installing krusader
[07:59] <ainmosni> i only use konq when i need to sort a large dir by hand
[07:59] <ainmosni> or when im gonna play some movies in kaffeine
[07:59] <puckman> I'm one of the new bread of linux users :P
[07:59] <puckman> a normal user :P
[07:59] <ainmosni> for the rest i do all my file management in the shell
[07:59] <ainmosni> heh
[08:00] <ainmosni> ive been using unix/linux for almost 10 years now
[08:00] <ainmosni> relatively new
[08:00] <ainmosni> in unix terms
[08:00] <ainmosni> the shell was what made me switch to freebsd and linux from windows in the first place
[08:01] <ainmosni> and now i make my money with it
[08:01] <ainmosni> heh
[08:01] <ainmosni> just because i saw a command line which still had its use 10 years ago
[08:02] <puckman> I hope to go there too one day
[08:02] <puckman> sick of end user support
[08:02] <bert_> why use the shell all the time when there are now easier things to use, that's like using the dos prompt in windows all the time
[08:02] <puckman> hmmm, I think my zip problem is system wide
[08:02] <puckman> krusader also did not want to extract stuff
[08:02] <ainmosni> i wouldnt say that a file manager is easier by definition
[08:02] <puckman> damn, I wish it gave me an error I coudl work with
[08:02] <crimsun> bert_: there's nothing wrong with preferring the cli. It's all preference.
[08:02] <ainmosni> i can do a lot of things a lot faster from the shell
[08:02] <ainmosni> crimsun: exactly
[08:02] <mvv> bert_: dos and bash difference _a lot_
[08:03] <ainmosni> dos and zsh differ even more ;)
[08:03] <ainmosni> alltho i like bash too
[08:03] <ainmosni> but still
[08:03] <crimsun> for instance, I prefer having the option to use gui tools if possible, but I'm historically a cli person, so I work with it far more than gui tools.
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> cygwin is still the best way to manage a windows server (If you absolutely have to)
[08:04] <ainmosni> rm -rf *.zip~foo.zip
[08:04] <ainmosni> will delete all zips except foo.zip
[08:04] <ainmosni> that takes me longer in a gui
[08:04] <ainmosni> a lot ;)
[08:04] <bert_> puckman, i've got infozip installed, try that
[08:05] <leku> hola
[08:05] <ainmosni> but if i have to sort music or movies by hand
[08:05] <puckman> zip error: Nothing to do! (test.zip)
[08:05] <ainmosni> a graphical file manager beats the shell
[08:05] <puckman> how weird
[08:05] <leku> i just installed 6.06, but I really wanted to try gnome
[08:05] <leku> what am I to do now?
[08:05] <ainmosni> leku: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:05] <puckman> test is a dir with a file in it
[08:05] <leku> good shit
[08:05] <leku> thanks man
[08:05] <robotgeek> leku: sudo apttitude install ubuntu-desktop
[08:05] <robotgeek> leku: if you don't like it, you can remove it with aptitude again
[08:06] <leku> i did apt-get
[08:06] <leku> not fam. with aptitude
[08:06] <leku> oh man i am so happy to be back using *ubuntu
[08:06] <ainmosni> it both works
[08:06] <ainmosni> bert_: and it might help that im a fast typist
[08:06] <leku> i owned myself by upgrading from breezy badger to whatever the latest was a few months ago, and my whole system just sucked ass
[08:06] <leku> so I tried SuSe 10
[08:06] <leku> so slowwwwwwww
[08:07] <puckman> ok, anyone have a mo to help me with my zip problem :(
[08:07] <leku> what is your deal with .zip
[08:07] <puckman> dont work
[08:07] <puckman> I cant zip up or unzip
[08:07] <puckman> in shell or konq
[08:08] <ainmosni> did you install 'zip' and 'unzip' ?
[08:08] <ainmosni> the shell tools
[08:08] <bert_> install infozip like i just said
[08:08] <ainmosni> nyway
[08:08] <ainmosni> food
[08:08] <ciga> puckman: for me, it was opened in ark
[08:08] <ainmosni> ark works when you habe the shell tools zip and unzip
[08:09] <ainmosni> zip isnt that bad
[08:09] <bert_> I got a program in zip the other day so it was handy for that
[08:10] <leku> I understand you might need it for something
[08:10] <leku> but I hope you're not going out of your way to use it
[08:10] <bert_> i donhave to use it much but it was handy when i needed it
[08:12] <puckman> "the application Ark (ark) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT)"
[08:12] <bert_> I just used ark and it worked ok
[08:13] <puckman> lol
[08:13] <puckman> I know it works ok
[08:13] <puckman> it works fine on the 3 other computers I have kubuntu on
[08:13] <puckman> just dont work on this install
[08:13] <bert_> puckman did you install infozip?
[08:13] <puckman> ainmosni: I did something silly in kopette, I hid the menu, how do I get it back?
[08:14] <ciga> puckman: maybe you should run konqueror from the konsole to see its messages.
[08:14] <leku> i just had an ephinany that kubuntu maybe just as good or better than osx
[08:14] <puckman> ah ctrl m
[08:14] <puckman> got it back
[08:14] <bert_> play hide and seek, the menu might come and find you
[08:14] <puckman> leku: I sold my powerbook after I played with Kubuntu
[08:15] <leku> really
[08:15] <puckman> Yup
[08:15] <ciga> bert_: watching to much movie? :)
[08:15] <leku> I don't feel bad about not owning osx now
[08:16] <puckman> I bought an old old IBM thinkpad to have a 'play' with this thing called linux
[08:16] <leku> can't wait until someone writes a collaborative editor similar to the one for osx
[08:16] <leku> subethaedit
[08:16] <puckman> 1 month of 'playing' later and I sold my powerbook
[08:16] <leku> ha
[08:16] <leku> well
[08:16] <leku> i'm not here to play really
[08:16] <leku> i use ubuntu cuz it helps me do my job
[08:16] <ainmosni> i thought that irc was multiplayer notepad
[08:16] <ainmosni> ;)
[08:16] <leku> yep
[08:16] <ciga> :)
[08:17] <leku> is there anything useful in edubuntu?
[08:17] <robotgeek> leku: http://mateedit.sourceforge.net/
[08:17] <leku> considering that I'm not a student
[08:17] <bert_> leku, do you like kde or gnome?
[08:17] <leku> I am a kde user installing gnome right now
[08:18] <leku> historically i've used no kde/gnome at all, and then I tried breezy badger about 6 months ago and started using KDE
[08:18] <leku> gnome was a little slow
[08:18] <leku> but I've heard it's better now, and beagle looks like it actually works
[08:18] <leku> compared to the KDE garbage known as kat
[08:18] <ainmosni> kat sucks :(
[08:18] <leku> kat is a joke
[08:19] <ainmosni> only thing gnome has that kde doesnt
[08:19] <bert_> I had both installed in breezy, there was some things in gnome I liked that wasn't in kde, but I only have kde in dapper
[08:19] <ainmosni> heh
[08:19] <leku> well matedit looks like a start
[08:19] <leku> subethaedit still seems way better
[08:20] <ainmosni> btw, whats the fav script language around here?
[08:20] <leku> perl 8)
[08:20] <ainmosni> heh, used to be perl here
[08:20] <leku> that's really subjective tho
[08:20] <ainmosni> now im in love with ruby
[08:20] <leku> i am forbidden to use anything else
[08:20] <ainmosni> how so?
[08:20] <leku> support issues
[08:21] <leku> I'm really the only perl coder in the group, a few people can read or write simple scripts
[08:21] <leku> if I switched to python or ruby they'd kill/fire me
[08:21] <ainmosni> ah k
[08:21] <ainmosni> lol
[08:21] <ainmosni> one can code perl at work
[08:21] <leku> i don't code for fun
[08:21] <ainmosni> and learn ruby for fun
[08:21] <ainmosni> i do sometimes
[08:21] <leku> i play counter strike and xbox 360 and poker for fun 8)
[08:21] <ainmosni> heh
[08:21] <ainmosni> i go out clubbing for fun as well
[08:21] <ainmosni> ;)
[08:21] <leku> i'm too old for that
[08:22] <leku> 25 in a week
[08:22] <ainmosni> ill be 25 this year as well ;)
[08:22] <_james> !wine
[08:22] <chavo> 25 is not too old for anything
[08:22] <ainmosni> which is a normal age for clubbing here ;)
[08:22] <ainmosni> indeed
[08:22] <ainmosni> 25 is young
[08:22] <leku> i stopped going to clubs after I could legally drink in them 8)
[08:23] <ainmosni> lol
[08:23] <ainmosni> american?
[08:23] <ainmosni> ;)
[08:23] <bert_> you think 25 is old, wait till you get to double that, if the world is still around then
[08:23] <leku> yes
[08:23] <leku> i'm 25
[08:23] <chavo> yeah I drank more before I was 21 also
[08:23] <leku> have a kid almost 2 yr old
[08:23] <ainmosni> dutchman here
[08:23] <leku> i have no business in a club
[08:23] <ainmosni> ah i dont have a kid, dont want one for at least 5 more years
[08:23] <leku> good man
[08:24] <ainmosni> my gf might try and talk me into getting one sooner tho
[08:24] <ainmosni> lol
[08:24] <chavo> Well I play in a band so I have to go to  clubs
[08:24] <robotgeek> !+offtopic
[08:24] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[08:24] <ainmosni> heh
[08:24] <robotgeek> err, #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:24] <ainmosni> hahah
[08:24] <|lostbyte|> When there is a change in one od the ubuntu projects will all the projects take effect, or are they treated diffrently.. ?
[08:24] <chavo> yeah guys stop flooding the channel
[08:25] <robotgeek> |lostbyte|: meaning?
[08:25] <ainmosni> excuses
[08:25] <chavo> |lostbyte|, only the desktop is different between each version
[08:25] <MacAnthony> robotgeek is all about business :)
[08:25] <robotgeek> MacAnthony: gotta keep the peace
[08:25] <|lostbyte|> chavo: only desktop ! Ok.. i think that answered it.
[08:26] <chavo> In fact you can install all the desktops in either project
[08:26] <|lostbyte|> chavo: So i'll take ubuntu as the main site ?
[08:26] <MacAnthony> I understand, robotgeek, I just don't mind OT conversations as long as they aren't offending or getting in the way of the channel topic
[08:26] <chavo> for support and stuff yeah
[08:27] <MacAnthony> rules are rules though
[08:27] <tb> hi, as anybody successfully installed the new nvidia drivers in kubuntu (am using NVIDIA GeForce GO7400 on Dual core viao laptop - gfx drivers don't work)
[08:27] <tb> sorry, has anybody etc... :-)
[08:28] <chavo> tb i have 87756 but I'm running dapper
[08:28] <chavo> 8756
[08:28] <chavo> man my keyboard has been repeating characters, don't know if it's a bug or it's just dirrty
[08:29] <tb> I've got a fresh kubuntu install, but the gfx corrupts ~1 minute into desktop usage. Nvidia have just released the latest drivers, but they're not packaged yet. Have tried to compile source, but something (don't know what) is missing from my dev env :-(
[08:29] <robotgeek> !nvidia
[08:29] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:29] <tb> chavo, I'd suspect a dirty keyboard before bug.
[08:29] <tb> ubotu. Thanks, will examine
[08:30] <chavo> tb,  do you hhavee ttroubles wwith the oldder  versionn?
[08:30] <tb> chavo yes.
[08:31] <tb> Installs wonderfully, but corrupts beautifully also (looks like 3d-stereogram image in each window :-)
[08:31] <chavo> ok I misread your question
[08:32] <chavo> so you're on breezy
[08:32] <chavo> ?
[08:32] <tb> question is regarding the installation of the new drivers (NVIDIA forums state that the older linux drivers didn't work with this card). I was/am using the latest iso (can't remember name, will have to reboot to check - in windoze, ugh)
[08:33] <chavo> no don't reboot
[08:33] <tb> kubuntu 5-10-i386
[08:33] <chavo> just cat /etc/issue
[08:34] <tb> can't cat /etc/ as win doesn't read reiserfs :-(
[08:34] <chavo> ok
[08:34] <chavo> I misread again, sorry
[08:34] <puckman> ok, interesting tar does work
[08:34] <puckman> just zip that dont
[08:34] <tb> It's really irritating me, as I can't really get on with the rest of the config/setup without a decent sized xterm :-(
[08:35] <chavo> Does it build at all?
[08:35] <puckman> Just installed gnome for the hell of it
[08:35] <puckman> :P
[08:35] <tb> I suppose that a better phrasing of the question would be something along the lines of: When are the new NVIDIA binaries going to be packaged for Kubuntu? :-)
[08:36] <chavo> Well they're packaged already but only for dapper drake.
[08:36] <tb> ?dapper drake?)
[08:36] <chavo> the next release of kubuntu
[08:37] <chavo> It's still about 2 months away though
[08:37] <tb> Ok. which packages do I need to apt-get to properly set up the dev env to compile the nvidia drivers via their utility? Any idea?
[08:39] <chavo> tb, build-essential linux-headers
[08:40] <trappist> linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:40] <_james> hey guys any one know how to get on msn chatroom>
[08:41] <leku> use gaim
[08:41] <tb> Cheers. I think it's time for a reboot and nth attempt to get this working...  I have all the req. codecs installed and working, but I'm guessing this could be a too new file and my codecs need some updating?
[08:55] <jeekl> Or is wmv10 not viewable on nix?
[08:55] <Aikurn> if the file has drm control, it won't play
[08:55] <jeekl> Im guessing it dosen't. A friend of mine made it and sent it to me.
[08:55] <jeekl> The sound plays, but no video
[08:56] <method|> is there any way to change the konqueror font to be just like internet explorers default font?
[08:56] <mvv_zZz> jeekl: ask him to make an ogg theora video
[08:56] <method|> i have all the windows fonts installed
[08:56] <method|> but it just doesnt render right
[08:57] <jeekl> mvv_zZz: That is out of his reach ;-) He barely got the file into his computer.
[08:57] <chavo> method|, it will never render exactly like in windows
[08:58] <method|> :(
[08:58] <method|> anything comes close?
[08:58] <chavo> which font is it?
[08:58] <method|> it kinda bothers me
[08:58] <method|> it's quite ugly
[08:58] <method|> maybe im just used to the windows font
[08:58] <chavo> method|, which font?
[08:59] <method|> im using arial now
[08:59] <method|> i've tried tahoma
[08:59] <method|> ive tried times new roman
[08:59] <chavo> I use bitsream vera sans for evrything
[08:59] <method|> just doesnt look right
[08:59] <chavo> http://2sdw.com/images/4-16.jpg
[09:00] <chavo> just need to tweak your antialising settings
[09:00] <method|> not loading up
[09:00] <method|> how do i play with my antialiasing settings?
[09:01] <Broxtor> any idea in which repository I can find the w32codecs for dapper? I can't find them in universe or multiverse.
[09:01] <Aikurn> !codecs
[09:01] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[09:04] <OdyX> Wondering if someone uses Kmail and GPG (decryption too).
[09:05] <Broxtor> ubotu: thanks for the pointer, but I don't seem to be able to find that !easysource thing
[09:05] <ubotu> graag gedaan, Broxtor
[09:06] <Aikurn> !easysource
[09:06] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:07] <Aikurn> Broxtor: visit that site and you'll find repositories for codecs and other restricted packages
[09:07] <uniq> odyx: i use kmail with gpg.
[09:07] <Broxtor> Aikurn: Already looking at it and I like it ;-) Thank you very much.
[09:07] <OdyX> uniq: And do you decrypt too ?
[09:08] <uniq> yes.
[09:08] <OdyX> uniq: I'm trying to be able to decrypt EASILY...
[09:08] <Aikurn> Broxtor: :)
[09:08] <OdyX> uniq: how have you made ?
[09:08] <uniq> it is easy. i type my password and it is done automagically.
[09:08] <Otherland> hi there... this might be aq silly question..but how do I remove gnome under kubuntu... I didn't like it that much..so I want to clean up my menues and remove gnome
[09:08] <OdyX> uniq: no config at all ?
[09:09] <uniq> pinentry-program /usr/bin/pinentry-qt
[09:09] <Otherland> I tried sudo apt-get remove gnome, but that only removes about 50Kb
[09:09] <uniq> in ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
[09:09] <OdyX> uniq: OK...
[09:09] <uniq> that's all i have done, as far as i can remember.
[09:09] <leku> hey
[09:10] <leku> how do I get the latest mozilla?
[09:10] <OdyX> uniq: don't you have anything in ~/.kde/Autostart ?
[09:10] <Aikurn> Otherland: I'm no expert in any way, but you may want to uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[09:10] <Otherland> Aikurn: that makes sense.. I'll check it out..thanks
[09:10] <uniq> odyx: no. kmail does everything.. except the pinentry-qt thing. that's done with pinentry-qt (apt-get install pinentry-qt)
[09:11] <OdyX> uniq: you can sign, encrypt and decrypt ?
[09:11] <Aikurn> Otherland: no problem, just be careful :)
[09:11] <uniq> aikurn, otherland: removing ubuntu-desktop will just remove like 50k too. you'll have to remove something else. search ubuntuforums.org for 'remove gnome'.
[09:12] <uniq> odyx: yes, that i enable in kmail settings.
[09:12] <Otherland> uniq: yeah I just noticed... thanks for the tip :)
[09:12] <OdyX> uniq: could you detail me the packets you have installed (related to gnupg) ?
[09:13] <OdyX> gnupg & kgpg uniq ?
[09:14] <uniq> odyx: gnupg gnupg-agent gnupg2 python-gnupginterface pinentry-qt (quick search, could be more)
[09:14] <uniq> odyx: yes, kgpg too.
[09:14] <OdyX> uniq: OK... So you have gnupg2 ....
[09:14] <OdyX> and agent...
[09:15] <OdyX> could you check if you have an gnupg-agent running ?
[09:15] <uniq> 11055 ?        Ss     0:00 gpg-agent --daemon
[09:15] <uniq> i have.
[09:15] <uniq> i can check where i start it too :)
[09:15] <leku> how do I get mozilla <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:15] <OdyX> uniq: that would be fine.
[09:15] <method|> man, konqueror and firefox are rendering fonts terribly
[09:15] <method|> they aren't clear at all
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> leku: download it from mozilla.org unpack it into /opt