[00:00] <BUGabundo> personally I think aptitude tends to manage dependy better
[00:00] <Pici> sako: if you're using apt-get then you should be using dist-upgrade to grab packages with new dependencies.
[00:00] <BUGabundo> AFAIK apt-get does NOT have safe-upgrade
[00:00] <sako> i see
[00:00] <mika_video> The mc (midnight commander) should be on the first (=install) CD of [K]Ubuntu
[00:00] <Pici> BUGabundo: it has upgrade and dist-upgrade
[00:01] <BUGabundo> Pici: I know
[00:01] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, what is special about safe-upgrade ?
[00:01] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: from aptitude? it's the default upgrade methof
[00:01] <sako> Pici: what does that mean? new dependencies??? if they changed up the dependencies for a package?
[00:01] <mika_video> Also, it would be nice if  Freepascal and Lazarus would be installable by commanding "aptitude install ..."
[00:01] <test34> what does the gui upgrade program use? apt-get or aptitude?
[00:01] <BUGabundo> replacing old 'upgrade' deaned unsafe
[00:01] <BUGabundo> test34: none
[00:02] <BUGabundo> Update-Manager is another Front end to dkpg
[00:02] <Pici> sako: Yes, if a package requires a new package as a result of a dependency change, an apt-get upgrade (or aptitude safe-upgrade) will NOT install it, only full-upgrade/dist-upgrades will.
[00:02] <test34> BUGabundo, ok
[00:02] <joaopinto> test34, none, it uses libapt, like the apt-* and aptitude
[00:02] <sako> i see.. so the reason why i am getting packages "held back" is likely cause they have new dependencies?
[00:02] <commander__> can anyone help me please
[00:02] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: not true
[00:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: update-manager uses either Apt or synaptic from what I remember
[00:03] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: no
[00:03] <mika_video> about Freepascal: the man page should say: "No, FreePascal s not broken. If you think it is broken, just put {$mode Delphi} in the first few lines of your pascal source files, and it will work fine"
[00:03] <BUGabundo> it has scripts that invoke apt-get , yes for downloading packages
[00:03] <BUGabundo> but install script are dpkg direct AFAIK
[00:04] <BUGabundo> ask MVO tommoroow :)
[00:04] <Pici> Or grab the source now and look/
[00:04] <joaopinto> uhh ? that is not true
[00:04] <mika_video> Because if you do not put  {$mode Delphi} in your FreePascal source files, you will gt weird error messages trying to for example: try { some code here} finally { more code here} end;
[00:05] <balor> I don't seem to be able to create projects (in any programming language) in the latest karmic Eclipse.  Anyone else seeing this issue?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> nvm
 Did you try FreePascal ?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: Pici: joaopinto that's OT for this place
[00:05] <BUGabundo> ping me back if either you find out :D
[00:06] <balor> mika_video, No.  I've never written Pascal
[00:06] <commander__> hello!!
[00:06] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I'm not that curious about it :)
[00:06] <BUGabundo> heeh
[00:06] <BUGabundo> chicken
[00:06] <peterson> hello commander_, do you need help?
[00:06] <commander__> i need help with sound period
[00:07] <joeb> Enabling a (Broadcom STA) driver in Karmic causes visual effects to be turned off. Has anyone seen this problem before?
[00:07] <peterson> what is your problem commander_?
[00:07] <mika_video> Actually it is Objectpascal. But many folks wite Pascal since it's shorter. But nobody uses the original Pascal (as described by some outdated ISO standard) anymore.
[00:07] <commander__> i have no sound on beta here
[00:08] <balor> commander__, What kind of sound card do you have
[00:08] <mika_video> for short: ObjectPascal is at least equally powerful as C++.
[00:08] <commander__> i dunno..unless u talking about the intel x3100 graphics
[00:09] <joaopinto> BUGabundo,  update-manager uses python-apt, which is a python wrapper for libapt*, it does not depend on apt-* or dpkg*
[00:09] <balor> mika_video, All programming languages are equivlalent.  Church-Turing thesis.
[00:09] <joaopinto> update-manager does depends on synaptic
[00:09] <BUGabundo> yay
[00:10] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: earns his good boy badge :)
[00:10] <mika_video> possibly. Java coders claim that Java is faster due to it's garbage collection. Well, maybe in average it is, but if we consider also the worst case, Java sucks  !
[00:11] <balor> commander__, On an Intel box with that card, you've probably got something that uses snd_hda_intel.  lspci wll tell you
[00:11] <commander__> i know it's HDA Intel
[00:11] <balor> commander__, Are you sure you're fully updated?
[00:12] <commander__> yep
[00:12] <mika_video> Or what do you think is better: a) use 100 microseconds CPU time 10 times a second for memory management or b) use 0% CPU time for memory management for 29.5 minutes and then use 100% of CPU time for memory management for 30 seconds ? (Java actually does this !)
[00:12] <joaopinto> mika_video, what ? that is extremely out of topic, but any java junior developer knows that java is slower because of the garbage collection
[00:12] <commander__> just got some more updates
[00:13] <mika_video> I just found a web page that claims that Java is faster. Well, even if during one hour java uses less time for memory management, locking up your PC for 30 seconds is too big price to pay for that !
[00:14] <commander__> now i'm fully updated
[00:14] <joaopinto> mika_video, one page is not "Java Developers" oppinion :)
[00:14] <mika_video> Not that I would beleieve it without a doubt ....
[00:15]  * NoelJB wonders when this became #java
[00:15] <mika_video> But where should I put this wish: The mc (midnight commander) should be on the first (=install) CD of [K]Ubuntu
[00:16] <BronzeAu> Hi all. Have an interesting one for you. Please read description for steps I have done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk
[00:17] <mika_video> Also, the behaviour of mc should be verified when NON-ascii characters are typed (both on a real text console and using those virtual text windows on a GUI screen)
[00:17] <commander__> balor u there?>
[00:18] <jbuncher> is anyone else chainloading into grub 2 from grub legacy on karmic?  latest updates have them conflicting and want one or the other to be removed.
[00:18] <mika_video> mc is an old program and it's behaviour was originally designed with those "1 character = 1 byte" encodings. It may misbehave when used with UTF-8 encoded unicode.
[00:18] <BronzeAu> So... what your thoughts please? :)
[00:19] <NoelJB> jbuncher, ask cjwatson in #grub
[00:19] <jbuncher> NoelJB, thx
[00:20] <BronzeAu> Should I take this problem elsewhere perhaps? Not reading boot image and not updating the grub in recovery.
[00:21] <legend2440> BronzeAu: did it say something like   no resume image?
[00:21] <BronzeAu> I think so. Will have a quick look on the vid.
 here's what I would try (please tell me if that does not work properly): 1. Install Ubuntu karmic onto a partition, and install it's bootloader on the start of that partition. To the installer, do NOT specify a "/boot" mount point. Then manually copy needed files form that partition's /boot subdirectory to the PC's real "/boot" partition and manually edit the already installed GRUB's (installed by some older version) files to inc
[00:21] <mika_video> lude your new karmic installation. Have you tried this ?
[00:22] <legend2440> BronzeAu: is ubuntu running? can you get a terminal?
[00:23] <BronzeAu> (46 sec) it says trying to resume from /dev but then says kimit: No resume image.
[00:23] <legend2440> BronzeAu: is ubuntu running? can you get a terminal?
[00:23] <BronzeAu> No - Wont boot at all. Win7 will and I can get into recovery.
[00:24] <jbuncher> mika_video, not sure about that process.  My current setup is someone convoluted.  I have a grub managed by my hardy install that's on the MBR, and I chainload into the karmic grub legacy that's on just the karmic partition.  From there, it chainloads into karmic grub 2.
[00:24] <BronzeAu> Cannot get into Ubuntu at all
[00:24] <balor> BronzeAu, You're booting a kernel
[00:24] <balor> BronzeAu, The problem is that you're not gerring fully through that process
[00:24] <BronzeAu> I'm onthe wife machine Vista (*sigh*) across the room.
[00:25] <balor> BronzeAu, It sounds like something isn't handing over to init correctly.
[00:25] <BronzeAu> Ok. How can I update / replace the kernel then?
[00:25] <BronzeAu> It was only installed yesterday.
[00:25] <balor> BronzeAu, Boot off a boot disk.  Specify root=/dev/sda3 (or whatever your _root_ device is) in the kernel parameters.
[00:25] <balor> BronzeAu, That _should_ bring your system up.
[00:26] <BronzeAu> Ran fine all day and until late last night installing packages and updates. Would upgrade to karmic though.
[00:26] <balor> BronzeAu, +1 is sometimes a roller-coaster ride.  It's unstable by name and nature.
[00:26] <BronzeAu> Nah - I'm fine with that. It's a test machine for testing.
[00:27] <balor> BronzeAu, good
[00:27] <balor> BronzeAu, Boot off a disk and specify your correct root device
[00:27] <balor> BronzeAu, That /should/ get you into your system
[00:28] <BronzeAu> So can you link me to some steps I need to go through for that: "Specify root=/dev/sda3 " I'm not ofay with terminal speek yet but learning fast.
[00:28] <balor> BronzeAu, After that, I'm afraid I'm off to bed.  These other happy hackers may be able to assist.
[00:28] <BronzeAu> I have a Jaunty boot disk
[00:28] <fluvvell> BronzeAu:, I've just looked at your youtube video, you are booting, you just don't have a desktop?
[00:28] <kaddi> anyone know if there is a way of using the old kaffeine 0.9.x under Karmic instead 1.0.pre2
[00:28] <balor> BronzeAu, You'll need a karmic one.
[00:29] <BronzeAu> Thanks Balor - I'm just out of bed. 10.30 here in Oz after a 4.30am sojourn.
[00:29] <balor> BronzeAu, 0029 here in the UK.  But I'm Irish so my body clock is 0029+3mins
[00:30] <BronzeAu> Nah - Don't have one and tried three times to download a Karmic .iso with no luck on any image. Not the burner. Each image was corrupt.
[00:30] <balor> BronzeAu, Bittorrent.  It'll help ensure the image is correct.
[00:30] <drbobb> has anyone tried Karmic on a laptop with SiS video?
[00:30] <BronzeAu> he he *Laughs* at Balor
[00:31] <balor> BronzeAu, I'm not on Telstra :)
[00:31] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, your youtube video shows a compaq boot spash at start? Am I talking to the right person?
[00:31] <kaddi> drbobb: whar ia SiS video?
[00:31] <BronzeAu> Yep - tried that. And the Ubuntu iso and a ftp download from work.
[00:31] <BronzeAu> Yes.
[00:31] <drbobb> a SiS brand video card
[00:31] <BronzeAu> Thats me (Braddanvip)
[00:31] <balor> BronzeAu, If the checksums don't match after comming off BT you've got bigger issues.
[00:31] <kaddi> drbobb: ah, then I haven't no.
[00:31] <drbobb> acer used to put them in a number of models
[00:32] <drbobb> up to 2 or 3 years ago
[00:32] <IndyGunFreak> why doesn't empathyhave sound
[00:32] <balor> drbobb, I have _a_ SiS card on a Celeron box.  It's dreadful.
[00:32] <IndyGunFreak> drbobb, i've got an acer, whats the prob?
[00:32] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, your computer is booting, you just don't get to desktop. What happens with a Ctrl+Alt+F1
[00:32] <BronzeAu> Non of the sums matched on any download. So I went down the shop and bought the latest Linux mag with had Jaunty.
[00:32]  * IndyGunFreak never checks the checksums
[00:32] <drbobb> balor: absolutely. But I can't afford to scrap my laptop at this time
[00:33] <IndyGunFreak> !empathy
[00:33] <BronzeAu> Installed Jaunty and tried to Upgrade but it would get 3/4's torugh and spit it.
[00:33] <balor> drbobb, If you're having issues.  Run it in VESA
[00:33] <balor> drbobb, They have no 3d acceleration anyway
[00:33] <drbobb> IndyGunFreak: well Jaunty had serious problems with these video cards
[00:33] <BronzeAu> I'll try the ctrl+alt F1 now.
[00:33] <BronzeAu> BRB
[00:33]  * BUGabundo move BUGabundo /dev/BED. cu guys tomorrow
[00:34] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, It should give you a text login screen
[00:34] <IndyGunFreak> anybody know why empathy doesn't have sound?
[00:34] <drbobb> balor: VESA performance is pathetic, and I'm not talking about 3d at all
[00:35] <drbobb> support for SiS cards in x.org regressed seriously after Hardy
[00:35] <Ian_Corne> SiS?
[00:35] <drbobb> nobody was maintaining the driver anymore afaik
[00:35] <BronzeAu> Through recovery I'm into the terminal: steve@steve-desktop:~$
[00:36] <BronzeAu> Entered terminal via recovery mode. just chose cancel and when it prompted i entered my username.
[00:37] <drbobb> I'm coping by running the core x.org packages from hardy in an otherwise jaunty system, but a recent gnome upgrade seems to have broken keyboard handling
[00:37] <commander_> does anyone know how can i get sound on here
[00:37] <BronzeAu> Can I do anything in terminal to get it to continue through the boot?
[00:38] <BronzeAu> For those just in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk <-- See 46 sec mark.
[00:39] <BronzeAu> anyone?
[00:39] <legend2440> BronzeAu: i think that no resume image has something to do with incorrect swap uuid so in terminal type sudo blkid and make note of the swap  uuid
[00:40] <BronzeAu> ok. will do.
[00:40] <legend2440> BronzeAu: then in terminal type   sudo nano /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume  and see if the uuid's  match with the swap uuid
[00:41] <BronzeAu> Says command not found for sudo blkid
[00:41] <drbobb> balor: so did you try karmic on that machine?
[00:41] <commander_> i been patient long enough and people r deliberately ignoring me.I thought we were adults.
[00:41] <commander_> i need help please
[00:42] <BronzeAu> Sorry commander - I'm no help and taking up these good peoples time as well.
[00:43] <BronzeAu> Apologies.
[00:43] <IndyGunFreak> commander_, whats wrong
[00:43] <zmjjmz> ergh
[00:43] <legend2440> BronzeAu: ok try   cat /etc/fstab and make note of swap uuid
[00:43] <BronzeAu> Will try that sudo nano now Legend
[00:43] <zmjjmz> commander_: uh, can you tell us what sound device you're using?
[00:44] <commander_> i have asked for help several times about my sound problem
[00:44] <IndyGunFreak> is anyone getting sound w/ Empathy, or is it just me.. i have sounds enabled, i've started/restarted empathy..
[00:44] <commander_> what sound device.be more specific
[00:44] <zmjjmz> I've not used empathy
[00:44] <zmjjmz> commander_: what's listed for sound by alsa?
[00:45] <zmjjmz> Also, has anyone actually managed to get hulu to work decently on the gma950 in Karmic?
[00:45] <IndyGunFreak> zmjjmz, its very odd, i have all the boxed checked to enable sound, but i've not gotten a peep out of empathy, sound seems fine otherwise
[00:45] <commander_> HDA Intel;
[00:45] <commander_> i dunno
[00:45] <IndyGunFreak> zmjjmz, do you know empathy has support channels.
[00:45] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, I think your problem is with graphic card support, it has nothing to do with uuid
[00:46] <kaddi> anyone know if there is a way of using the old kaffeine 0.8.x under Karmic instead 1.0.pre2
[00:46] <zmjjmz> IndyGunFreak: I believe their support has been taken over by gnome
[00:46] <IndyGunFreak> hmm,
[00:46] <zmjjmz> commander_: what happens when you do espeak hi?
[00:46] <BronzeAu> Ok - I got the UUID
[00:47] <BronzeAu> Long enough. Can't tell the O's from 0's but.
[00:47] <commander_> huh?
[00:47] <commander_> look i know i had sound when i had jaunty and when i got karmic there's no sound
[00:47] <zmjjmz> commander_: uh, run espeak hi in the terminal
[00:47] <legend2440> BronzeAu: ok write it down and then  ctrl x to close nano  and in terminal try  cat /etc/fstab and see if swap uuids match
[00:47] <kaddi> commander_: if you reply to somebody put the name in front of it, so the person knows you're talking to him/her
[00:47] <BronzeAu> Graphics was working fine yesterday. Even had Compiz running well. The signal does normally cut uot during start up.
[00:48] <legend2440> BronzeAu: ok write it down and then  ctrl x to close nano  and in terminal try  cat /etc/fstab and see if swap uuids match
[00:48] <BronzeAu> Ok. Cool will do. Will just have to write all that down.
[00:48] <benh> hoy
[00:48] <benh> so latest batch of karmic updates broke 3G USB modems ...
[00:48] <kaddi> hi :)
[00:48] <IndyGunFreak> man, this is annoying me
[00:48] <zmjjmz> benh: oshit, I have to get mine working
[00:48] <commander_> z in what order? sudo apt what
[00:48] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, looking at your video, the screen switches a couple of times and then goes to monitor saver.  Usually, doing a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg resets your graphics. Has nobody else viewed the video?
[00:48] <jbuncher> Is there anyway to get the audio in karmic to remember to default to a non-permanent input?  I have to go into the settings every time I plug in the webcam and switch over the audio input.  I didn't have to do this in Hardy.
[00:48] <drbobb> BronzeAu: oh but why so much writing, haven't you heard of saving stuff in files, or cut and paste?
[00:49] <grahal> any reason why karmic stopped playing lot's of video types that used to work with jaunty before a distro upgrade? plugin search starts but does not find the codecs that were already installed in the system
[00:49] <jbuncher>  fluvvell BronzeAu that's what it looks like to me, system boots fine, but looks like gdm or x is messed.
[00:49] <legend2440> drbobb: he's doing this from recovery console
[00:49] <benh> zmjjmz: maybe it's something HW with my laptop tho... but yeah, it was working 2 days ago
[00:49] <benh> something weird happens with "options" and the modem disconnects
[00:49] <zmjjmz> I haven't updated though
[00:49] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, did you do an update yesterday? There was a new kernel...
[00:49] <zmjjmz> I guess I won't for a bit
[00:49] <drbobb> legend2440: and that makes a difference, how?
[00:49] <BronzeAu> says comand not found
[00:50] <legend2440> BronzeAu: ok then nano /etc/fstab
[00:50] <BronzeAu> I did an update yesterday but it spat it 3/4's of the way through.
[00:51] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, did you get a login prompt on normal boot when you tried Ctrl+Alt+F1 ? (or has karmic removed text consoles????)
[00:51] <zmjjmz> fluvvell: tty1-6 all work
[00:51] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, bingo. Theres your problem. Guys this has nothing to do with his fstab
[00:51] <BronzeAu> I got to terminal through recovery but it does give me terminal for about 3sec so you have to be quick in putting in your username.
[00:52] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, reboot and got to a text console with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[00:52] <zmjjmz> hm
[00:53] <fluvvell> "go" not got, sorry
[00:53] <benh> kernel log when plugging the modem is http://pastebin.ca/1602818
[00:53] <benh> (huawei 169 bog standard stuff)
[00:53] <benh> tries with 2 modems, same siht
[00:53] <BronzeAu> UUID's match. Ok will reboot
[00:53] <kaddi> what does tty stand for?
[00:54] <fluvvell> zmjjmz, anything new in recovery to help reset graphics in karmic?
[00:54] <benh> teletype :-)
[00:54] <zmjjmz> Oct  8 10:44:36 pasglop kernel: [   54.049084] option: option_instat_callback: error -108
[00:54] <benh> zmjjmz: right
[00:54] <zmjjmz> :/
[00:54] <kaddi> I'd never have guessed. :p thanks :)
[00:54] <zmjjmz> fluvvell: make a xorg.conf and make dontzzap false?
[00:54] <benh> zmjjmz: -108 that's -ESHUTDOWN
[00:54] <zmjjmz> ok
[00:54] <benh> zmjjmz: something made the stick go away
[00:55] <zmjjmz> evil usb spirits :|
[00:55] <benh> zmjjmz: the usb-storage also fails mounting it
[00:55] <benh> zmjjmz: ie, something goes bonkers in USB ... tried older kernel, same shit
[00:55] <BronzeAu> Ok. I'm in the bios
[00:55] <benh> zmjjmz: smells like something userspace is doing
[00:55] <fluvvell> zmjjmz, dontzzap is new to me.
[00:55] <revf> I can't see the karmic upgrade anymore in update-manager or do-release-upgrade.  I think the upgrade program crashed earlier without putting my repositories back to normal, and my sources list is all karmic instead of jaunty now
[00:55] <zmjjmz> fluvvell: and dontzap
[00:55] <zmjjmz> make sure that's disabled too
[00:55] <revf> how can i fix it to finish downloading/installing the upgrade?
[00:55] <benh> btw
[00:55] <benh> somebody knows a decent mirror in .au that isn't 2 weeks off ?
[00:55] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, Bios? How do you figure that?
[00:56] <revf> I already tried %s/karmic/jaunty/g on the source list and that didn't help very much
[00:56] <revf> although it seemed like a step in the right direction
[00:56] <revf> what else does the installer normally reset when it's canceled during the download process?
[00:56] <BronzeAu> Did you want me in Bios or elsewhere.
[00:56] <commander_> zmjjmz where ru man?
[00:56] <zmjjmz> commander_: here
[00:57] <zmjjmz> commander_: what happened when you ran espeak hi
[00:57] <benh> au.archives.ubuntu.com is fubar
[00:57] <benh> has been for a few days
[00:57] <commander_> ok how u want me to run it sudo apt what?
[00:57] <IndyGunFreak> man this sound thing in empathy is annoyng
[00:57] <zmjjmz> uh
[00:57] <commander_> i asked uthois b4
[00:57] <IndyGunFreak> no logical reason for it
[00:57] <zmjjmz> just, run it in terminal
[00:57] <zmjjmz> any terminal
[00:57] <zmjjmz> IndyGunFreak: well, I use Pidgin :P
[00:57] <zmjjmz> with the sounds muted, but still
[00:58] <commander_> nothing
[00:58] <benh> there's some weirdo stuff with sound in karmic
[00:58] <zmjjmz> a long pause before said nothing?
[00:58] <benh> lots of "clics"
[00:58] <zmjjmz> benh: yeah
[00:58] <BronzeAu> So.. Should I be in Bios or elsewhere?
[00:58] <benh> even after disabling the sound effects stuff
[00:58] <revf> does anyone know what changes the karmic upgrader makes to the repositories and then undoes if the install is canceled?
[00:58] <zmjjmz> benh: it cut out on me earlier, only to work fine right after
[00:58]  * benh blames curseaudio
[00:58] <revf> I think I need to make those changes manually
[00:58] <IndyGunFreak> zmjjmz, i don't have a prob w/ pidgin, but i actually like empathy better... little smaller/cleaner.. but the no sound is annoying.. and i can't figure out how to set it.. i have sounds enabled
[00:58] <zmjjmz> yep
[00:58] <BronzeAu> Sorry
[00:58] <revf> or undo them manually, rather
[00:58] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you may have done the keypress too early. At 46 seconds in your video it shows steves-desktop :login
[00:58] <aprilhare> hey
[00:58] <commander_> what about my modem on my laptop?
[00:58] <fluvvell> thats where you want to be
[00:58] <BronzeAu> I'm not keeping up bacause I'm backwards and forwards
[00:59] <zmjjmz> commander_: what about it?
[00:59] <BronzeAu> Ok. I'll do it there.
[00:59] <aprilhare> has anyone had a fsck yet - no progress bar, screen goes black, you're left scratching your head about whats going on?
[00:59] <Pici> !mirrorstatus | benh
[00:59] <aprilhare> have to press ctrl-alt-f8 to even know it's fsck?
[00:59] <jbuncher> aprilhare, no fsck that I recall
[00:59] <commander_> the last time zm someone on here said tht might bethe cause of it
[00:59] <benh> thanks bot !
[01:00] <djdarkman> hello, I have a machine with an external harddrive and karmic doesn't want to boot it, what should I do, is this issue fixable?
[01:00] <aprilhare> jbuncher: well be warned the drop bear surprises you when you least expect it
[01:00] <benh> I switched to the main US mirror for now
[01:00] <Pici> benh: I actually just made that factoid, a few people have been asking about that lately.
[01:00] <jbuncher> aprilhare, drop bear?
[01:00] <zmjjmz> commander_: that would be a pretty big problem
[01:01] <aprilhare> jbuncher: karmic koala == drop bear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_bear
[01:01] <zmjjmz> not sure why your modem would be affecting your sound device
[01:01] <aprilhare> jbuncher: carnivorous form of koala :D
[01:01] <benh> heh it's fun
[01:01] <sako> hey all, what's up with dist-upgrade wanting to remove empathy?
[01:01] <legend2440> commander_: in terminal try   speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[01:01] <benh> so karmic install gets you grub2
[01:01] <sako> maybe I don't understand exactly what dist-upgrade does...
[01:01] <benh> but then, a full upgrade removes it and puts grub1 instead
[01:01] <zmjjmz> anyways, I would try restarting pulseaudio or such
[01:01] <jbuncher> aprilhare, aha, I see
[01:02] <zmjjmz> revf: dumb question, but you did sudo apt-get update right?
[01:02] <aprilhare> jbuncher: ignore the bit in that article about it being non-existant (bad publicity for .au you see)
[01:02] <benh> I think startupmanager depends on grub1 or something like that
[01:02] <BronzeAu> I used to have a VW baja called Drop Bear
[01:02] <BronzeAu> Search for it on youtube
[01:02] <BronzeAu> Ok - I'm there.
[01:02] <revf> zmjjmz: yeah, a couple times.  it's weird because
[01:02] <commander_> it wasn't .he told me sudo apt-get something
[01:02] <Martyn> BronzeAu : hee .. good name for a car.   I bet the Ozzies were amused
[01:02] <revf> OK well this has spanned four or five sessions of downloading the packages so far
[01:02] <BronzeAu> I'm an Ozzie
[01:02] <zmjjmz> commander_: and did you?
[01:02] <commander_> or sudo apt-remove
[01:02] <revf> and the time it crashed was, like, the second-most-recent
[01:02] <revf> and after it did that
[01:03] <djdarkman> can grub2 boot from USB disks at all?
[01:03] <revf> when I went into sudo update-manager -d, the list was cluttered up with hundreds of packages, presumably the ones I'd just downloaded
[01:03] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, do you have the login prompt?
[01:03] <zmjjmz> djdarkman: most BIOS' can
[01:03] <BronzeAu> It says 5 packages can be updates. I'm in terminal where it says in capials "No Warranty!" he he
[01:03] <revf> which i think is because it's using the karmic repos
[01:03] <zmjjmz> hm
[01:03] <revf> but then I could still see/run the distro installer
[01:03] <BronzeAu> I'm logged in.
[01:03] <commander_> yeah..just cna't remeber it.but what u just told me to do all it says playback open error
[01:03] <revf> now I am having the same symptom in the list but the button to upgrade isn't there anymore
[01:03] <djdarkman> zmjjmz, it's not my bios, it's Karmic it doesn't recognize my harddrive at boot
[01:03] <zmjjmz> commander_: can you pastebinit?
[01:03] <BronzeAu> put in my username and password.
[01:04] <sako> hey all, what's up with dist-upgrade wanting to remove empathy?
[01:04] <zmjjmz> hm
[01:04] <jbuncher> aprilhare, lol, will do.
[01:04] <revf> and do-release-upgrade says there is no new version
[01:04] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:04] <zmjjmz> sako: maybe they gave up and wanted to replace it with pidgin?
[01:04] <revf> even after apt-get update
[01:04] <djdarkman> is there a cure for this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1272142
[01:04] <BronzeAu> Ok. Will do.
[01:04] <sako> zmjjmz: hmm? i don't think so did they?
[01:04] <zmjjmz> revf: maybe you should replace the sources.list with something new
[01:04] <zmjjmz> Sakarias: maybe
[01:04] <zmjjmz> er
[01:04] <zmjjmz> sako: maybe
[01:04] <revf> hmm
[01:04] <revf> like what?
[01:04] <revf> can I get a clean jaunty copy somewhere?
[01:05] <zmjjmz> probably
[01:05] <revf> I tried just subbing "jaunty" for every "karmic" and
[01:05] <revf> that got rid of all the crap in the update-manager list
[01:05] <revf> but didn't make the button appear
[01:05] <zmjjmz> hm
[01:05] <BronzeAu> The Dropbear - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6-6EN53S8
[01:05] <revf> could there be some other file that now thinks it's karmic that's messing me up?
[01:06] <zmjjmz> revf: it migth have done that in whatever script controls the update manager
[01:06] <sebsebseb> Shame the  new  GDM can't just be configured with another theme,  I like the blubuntu GDM theme in the repo :)   So I am wondering if it's possible to have it on the new GDM or not.   Oh let's run some commands that a blog gives,  I think not, unless maybe I know what they do.  Anyway this came up in my Google search http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html Plus I am not on that type of lap top.  I am on a desktop
[01:06] <sebsebseb> in fact.   Also KDM is rather nice now unlike before,  still would like a bit of sound on it though, like the old GDM.
[01:06] <Pici> BronzeAu: Lets try to keep it on-topic here.
[01:07] <aprilhare> BronzeAu: nice vdub :) but karmic koala i call drop bear for good reason, especially when i find myself with a black screen during boot with no idea whats going on
[01:07] <revf> zmjjmz: do you mean that the upgrade script changed stuff?  that's kind of been my assumption, that it made changes as part of the install process and then didn't undo them since it crashed
[01:07] <zmjjmz> yeah
[01:07] <revf> I don't know what changes it would make besides changing the sources.list though
[01:07] <zmjjmz> I'm not well versed in the upgrade script, but it may have another configuration file somewhere
[01:08] <revf> is there a way I could look at the script?
[01:08] <revf> or would that be too complicate
[01:08] <revf> d
[01:08] <sako> so on 9.10 should we not be doing dist-upgrades?
[01:08] <zmjjmz> probably, just vim the script in /usr/sbin
[01:08] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: yeah boot up goes wrong
[01:08] <BronzeAu> Ok - at first it said command not found so i retyped it in the hope that I typed it wrong and it said xserver.org is not installed
[01:08] <revf> do you know the name of it by any chance
[01:08] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: turning the computer off, and  then on again though,  as is said for many computer issues :D, well it actsaully fixes it
[01:08] <revf> I don't know what it is, and I can't run it since the button isn't there in update-manager
[01:08] <BronzeAu> Oh - sorry about the offtopic.
[01:08] <zmjjmz> revf: eh, I'd run a locate
[01:09] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, no dot dude, just a -
[01:09] <zmjjmz> it may be part of update-manager
[01:09] <BronzeAu> I'm new to IRC
[01:09] <zmjjmz> revf: do you know python?
[01:09] <BronzeAu> oh, ok. sorry:-[
[01:10] <revf> a bit
[01:10] <revf> I just looked at do-release-upgrade but it's pretty opaque
[01:10] <revf> it's not complicate, it just mostly calls apis
[01:10] <revf> +d
[01:10] <zmjjmz> :|
[01:10] <tuxxy> anyone else have errors with their twinview specifically when attempting to save the config
[01:11] <sebsebseb> No one here right now,knows about trying to theme the new GDM, if it's even possible?  didn't think so
[01:11] <zmjjmz> see if it opens any files
[01:11] <revf> how do I do that?
[01:11] <BronzeAu> Nope. says there is no xserver-org either.
[01:11] <revf> sorry I am pretty new at all this
[01:11] <zmjjmz> uh, hold up
[01:12] <legend2440> tuxxy: did you try  gksudo nvidia-settings  so you have permission to save changes?
[01:12] <zmjjmz> revf: search for open
[01:12] <BronzeAu> Im new at this too. 3rd day on IRC. 5th year with Ubuntu. First time playing at terminal level.
[01:12] <revf> oh I see what you mean
[01:12] <revf> I thought you meant upon running it
[01:12] <benh> ok so GSM stick works on jaunty
[01:13] <benh> on another box
[01:13] <revf> it's mostly this kind of thing
[01:13] <revf>  print _("Checking for a new ubuntu release")
[01:13] <revf>   m = MetaReleaseCore(useDevelopmentRelease=options.devel_release,
[01:13] <revf>                       useProposed=options.proposed_release)
[01:13] <benh> so it's either a HW problem with my USB or karmic userspace problem, I'll try booting jaunty off USB later to see
[01:13] <revf> very abstracted
[01:13] <BronzeAu> This is what I typed in: In case of mistake. sudo dbkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[01:13] <djdarkman> hello, is there a way to install karmic with the good old grub that actually works?
[01:14] <natewiebe13> im getting "[Firmware Bug]: ACPI : Invalid BIOS _PSS frequency : 0x0 MHz" from beta.. anyone know why?
[01:14] <natewiebe13> ^using a live cd
[01:14] <natewiebe13> ^and also on alternate
[01:14] <sebsebseb> Is there maybe a way to install the old GDM into karmic or configure  the new one so I can theme it hmm
[01:15] <BronzeAu> Still there?
[01:15] <commander__> zmjjmz i'm back
[01:15] <aprilhare> sebsebseb: probably breaking a fsck is a bad idea.
[01:15] <revf> I'm going to take a closer look at the sources.list
[01:16] <zmjjmz> commander_: you left?
[01:16] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: maybe, but  when  it does th flashing white curour,  it seems to only do that, and nothing else, also I think it does the fsk first
[01:16] <BronzeAu> So should I just do a reinstall of Jaunty and forget the upgrade.
[01:16] <sebsebseb> !details | BronzeAu
[01:16] <sebsebseb> BronzeAu: what exactly is wrong with the new GDM for you?
[01:16] <sebsebseb> BronzeAu: also if you upgraded from 9.04, it won't put on the new GDM
[01:16] <BronzeAu> Um - I've been here for an hour
[01:17] <natewiebe13> im getting "[Firmware Bug]: ACPI : Invalid BIOS _PSS frequency : 0x0 MHz" from beta.. anyone know why? both on live and alternate
[01:17] <Pici> sebsebseb: Yes it will.
[01:17] <BronzeAu> Well almost.
[01:17] <tuxxy> legend2440, yes of course
[01:17] <BronzeAu> I'll post the vid again.
[01:17] <sebsebseb> ah I put GMD
[01:17] <sebsebseb> GDM
[01:17] <sebsebseb> I meant Grub
[01:17] <sebsebseb> my issue is GDM, his issue is Grub
[01:17] <BronzeAu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk <-- 46sec mark
[01:17] <BronzeAu> Read description
[01:18] <BronzeAu> UUID's match
[01:18] <legend2440> tuxxy: a way around that is  somewhere in nvidia-settings is a preview window to see changes. you can copy then paste that into your xorg.conf file
[01:18] <revf> yeah it looks completely normal, nothing weird about it at all
[01:18] <sebsebseb> Pici: new GDM with no theming yes,  and no Grub 2 on upgrades  by what I read
[01:18] <BronzeAu> I did an upgrade from Jaunty to Karmi yesterday but it spat it 3/4 way through install.
[01:18] <aprilhare> sebsebseb: i turned to it and the screen was black. thats not filling me with confidence
[01:18] <revf> i have to, I'll try to figure this out again in a bit
[01:18] <revf> thanks for your help zmjjmz
[01:19] <revf> *have to go
[01:19] <zmjjmz> k
[01:19] <sako> The following packages will be upgraded: evolution-plugins linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic ubuntu-desktop
[01:19] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: Are you on Karmic?
[01:19] <sako> can someone explain what dist-upgrade does?
[01:19] <sako> pleaseeeeee
[01:19] <Pici> sako: I thought we went over this already.
[01:19] <BronzeAu> Just tried sudo dbkg-reconfigure xserver-org but it says xserver-org is not installed
[01:20] <tuxxy> legend2440, hang on ill get the errors
[01:20] <natewiebe13> sebsebseb, Pici: im getting "[Firmware Bug]: ACPI : Invalid BIOS _PSS frequency : 0x0 MHz" from beta..  both on live and alternate.. any ideas?
[01:20] <Pici> BronzeAu: its xserver-xorg
[01:20] <aprilhare> sebsebseb: yes
[01:20] <zmjjmz> sako: basically, changes the repos and then installs some stuff
[01:20] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: it seems there  default Ext4 support in Karmic hasn't been 100% properly done hence the fsck issues,  well hopefuly that's  nice and  stable by the final
[01:20] <sako> we did, but would it be safe to do it?
[01:20] <Pici> natewiebe13: I don't know, sorry.
[01:20] <commander__> can anybody and i do mean anybody help
[01:20] <BronzeAu> Ok - will try that then as well. Ta
[01:20] <sebsebseb> aprilhare: I did manual partitioning, but anyway  Ext4 in 9.10 yep
[01:20] <BronzeAu> BRB - Its across the room
[01:20] <legend2440> tuxxy: probably something like your xorg.conf is missing a Section
[01:20] <Pici> sako: Yes.  I always do dist-upgrades.
[01:20] <sako> i see
[01:20] <sako> thanks Pici
[01:21] <sako> well I would assume I have to at some point since I have 9.10 beta
[01:21] <zmjjmz> commander__: maybe
[01:21] <Pici> sako: But just be careful if it says its removing packages, if you arent sure about what the packages do, then ask or wait.
[01:21] <commander__> nothing happened..terminal still processing
[01:21] <aprilhare> W:Failed to fetch http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch, W:Failed to fetch http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/karmic/universe/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[01:21] <BronzeAu> do I say yes
[01:21] <zmjjmz> doing what, commander__
[01:22] <commander__> i need sound zmjjmz
[01:22] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, which question?
[01:22] <sako> Pici it says it will remove libgd2-noxpm then it installs libgd2-xpm?
[01:22] <sako> is that okay?
[01:22] <BronzeAu> or no in xserver-xorg
[01:22] <Pici> sako: that sounds okay to me
[01:22] <zmjjmz> that's fine
[01:22] <sako> great
[01:22] <sako> looks like they resolved the empathy issue btw
[01:22] <sako> :)
[01:22] <sako> just got an upgrade
[01:22] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, no to the framebuffer question
[01:22] <test34> Flash on Karmic 64bit, sometimes you click X times and it does nothing (when trying to play a video for example)...  Is this a known bug ? I couldn't find it on launchpad
[01:23] <zmjjmz> test34: happens to me too
[01:23] <tuxxy> legend2440, VALIDATION ERROR:  Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[01:23] <tuxxy> Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[01:23] <sako> any other useful packages like ubuntu-restricted-extras i should check out?
[01:23] <zmjjmz> you can't really file bugs against flash though
[01:23] <BronzeAu> Autodetect keyboard: yes or No
[01:23] <aprilhare> test34: are you still using the version in the repos? you're better off using the version from adobe (true 64 bit rather than wrappered)
[01:23] <commander__> zm u got any ideals?
[01:23] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, no
[01:23] <BronzeAu> K
[01:23] <zmjjmz> commander__: yea, but my ideals won't help your sound problem
[01:24] <aprilhare> it may be alpha but its good alpha rather than drop bear alpha
[01:24] <test34> aprilhare, maybe that is the problem then, let me see
[01:24] <zmjjmz> commander__: did you try restarting either alsa-utils or pulseaudio>
[01:24] <zmjjmz> aprilhare: is there a 32-bit version of that then?
[01:24] <tuxxy> Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[01:24] <legend2440> tuxxy: yes i've had that error. so  make your changes then click  save xc configuration and in the box click Show Preview and copy then paste into xorg.conf
[01:24] <commander__> where is pulseaudio?
[01:25] <aprilhare> zmjjmz: the amd64 version of adobe flash in the ubuntu repos is in fact the 32 bit version in a 64 bit wrapper
[01:25] <test34> aprilhare, I thought there was no 64bit versions and that they all use the wrappers
[01:25] <aprilhare> test34: untrue
[01:25] <legend2440> tuxxy: may want ot backup old xorg.conf  just in case
[01:25] <tuxxy> legend2440, where is this preview buttion bud
[01:25] <tuxxy> oh its ok I can always reconfigure xorg
[01:25] <aprilhare> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[01:25] <zmjjmz> aprilhare: so would I see any improvement using Adobe's alpha on an atom?
[01:25] <commander__> synaptic said i got it installed but where?
[01:25] <wirechief_> the karmic installer is hung configuring Apt, whats the best way to proceed ?
[01:25] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, hows it going?
[01:25] <aprilhare> zmjjmz: give it a try, you will receive less crashes methinks
[01:26] <BronzeAu> Ok - It's overwritten the file
[01:26] <legend2440> tuxxy: click Save X config button then box pops up  Show Preview is in there
[01:26] <zmjjmz> aprilhare: ok
[01:26] <zmjjmz> I'll try that then
[01:26] <test34> zmjjmz, with 32bit you dont have this problem
[01:26] <tuxxy> legend2440, if I clcik save to x config file it errors with this "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'"
[01:26] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, ok now try      sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:26] <zmjjmz> test34: yeah, but flash is still shat
[01:26] <BronzeAu> Gave me a heap of questions about my keyboard
[01:26] <tuxxy> then shuts down
[01:26] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, yeah well... you may have answered yes to detect keyboard or something.
[01:27] <DanaG> For me, I'd rather have nspluginwrapper... even if it makes Flash crash more often, it ALSO makes crashes not take down the browser.
[01:27] <legend2440> tuxxy: are you in gksudo nvidia-settings? if so close out and open from the system>admin>nvidia settings in the menu
[01:27] <aprilhare> DanaG: erm. i don't see how that is true. it reduces crashes altogether.
[01:28] <DanaG> I've still had Flash take down the browser in the 64-bit Flash 10.
[01:28] <aprilhare> ok whatever
[01:28] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, ok so have you tried      sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart    ?  If it gives the blank screen again, you return with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[01:28] <test34> aprilhare, should I uninstall the deb flash32 bit before installing the 64bit tar.gz?
[01:28] <tuxxy> legend2440, it gives mem same error as I was using gksudo
[01:29] <aprilhare> test34: i believe it would be wise yes
[01:29] <FloridaGuy> where's can i get the latest kde for ubuntu 9.10
[01:29] <BronzeAu> It came up with a interface asking yes or no because there is already an xserver currently running
[01:29] <commander__> z where do i go to restart it and more importantly find it?
[01:29] <commander__> !!
[01:29] <BronzeAu> Also told me instructions to change consoles
[01:30] <legend2440> tuxxy: after you press  Save X configuration button does a box pop up?
[01:30] <BronzeAu> like Ctrl+Alt+7
[01:30] <tuxxy> yes an erro box with the error "Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'"
[01:30] <tuxxy> *error
[01:31] <tuxxy> and in terminal it reads
[01:31] <tuxxy> VALIDATION ERROR:  Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[01:31] <tuxxy> Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[01:31] <tuxxy> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[01:31] <BronzeAu> So yes or no the the "X server already running on display" questions
[01:31] <legend2440> tuxxy: can you paste your xorg.conf file?
[01:31] <legend2440> !paste
[01:31] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, try sudo reboot at this point.
[01:31] <tuxxy> sure
[01:32] <BronzeAu> Ok. so don't choose yes or no then. Just exit out of menu and sudo reboot.
[01:32] <tuxxy> legend2440, http://pastie.org/646250
[01:32] <BronzeAu> Thanks for your patience fluvvell for you support btw.
[01:35] <Berzerker-> having a problem, just installed karmic on my desktop
[01:35] <BronzeAu> Nope. No luck. same same
[01:35] <Berzerker-> installed the nvidia driver and now I can't startx
[01:35] <Berzerker-> says no screens found
[01:35] <BronzeAu> Plan D?
[01:35] <benh> so today updates don't fix the GSM
[01:36] <BronzeAu> I'm back at terminal. No boot.
[01:36] <tuxxy> legend2440, maybe I should just paste my old xorg into the new on
[01:36] <legend2440> tuxxy: yea that how mine looked when i installed karmic. but i just copied and pasted from the preview window . yes i would try that
[01:37] <[31d1]_> hmm, apt wants to remove startupmanager and grub, to upgrade grub-common and grub-pc
[01:37] <test34> aprilhare, so far flash 64 bit version is working good, thanks !
[01:37] <aprilhare> np
[01:37] <[31d1]_> i wonder if that's what i'm supposed to do, or if i just need to wait for further updates
[01:37] <BronzeAu> Any idea guys?
[01:37] <Berzerker-> anyone?
[01:37] <zmjjmz> how can I check what version of flash I'm using?
[01:38] <tuxxy> ok brb
[01:38] <Berzerker-> [31d1]_, did you look at what it installs? maybe it installs it again
[01:38] <aprilhare> zmjjmz: if you get lots of npviewer crashes you're using wrappered ver
[01:38] <test34> zmjjmz, riight click on a flash video and click about flash
[01:38] <legend2440> tuxxy: actually before i did clean install of karmic i saved xorg.conf from jaunty and used that
[01:38] <aprilhare> its a bit hard since both vers have same ver string
[01:38] <aprilhare> size
[01:38] <aprilhare> size is the easiest way to tell
[01:39] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, so you've rebooted and no joy?
[01:39] <infexion> ok so are any other people have problems with sound in 9.10?
[01:39] <BronzeAu> No joy - same same
[01:39] <[31d1]_> Berzerker-: http://ix.io/mX from aptitude full-upgrade
[01:39] <zmjjmz> yeah
[01:39] <zmjjmz> I'm using Adobe's latest
[01:39] <zmjjmz> still shat
[01:39] <BronzeAu> I'm not worried. The machine is a test machine only and for me to learn more about terminal commands
[01:39] <[31d1]_> looks plausible
[01:40] <Berzerker-> aprilhare, any idea?
[01:40] <infexion> I have some strange jarring pop noise that occurs after a sound starts playing... but if I continually play sound there are no problems ie. playing music.
[01:40] <Berzerker-> aprilhare, installed nvidia driver, now I can't startx
[01:40] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, the problem lies with either your graphics / monitor selection or your gdm.  At least you can describe your problem a bit more clearly now.
[01:40] <BronzeAu> I'm happy to just reinstall Jaunty if this TS is to much bother to people here.
[01:41] <aprilhare> Berzerker-: sorry no idea. nvidia working fine here
[01:41] <test34> my gmail is crashing firefox now...
[01:41] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, did you have an nvidia or ati graphics card?
[01:41] <infexion> BronzeAu: I reinstalled 9.04 just so I could get back some functionality. I figure it is better for now until they actually come out with an official release.
[01:41] <BronzeAu> Whats gdm stand for: Grub ...
[01:41] <infexion> BronzeAu: but for the sake of figuring out bugs try to get it working for now
[01:41] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, gnome display manager
[01:42] <BronzeAu> Ok - well I'll just go with the reinstall. The updates are killing my download allocation after three attempts (3x700mb) to get a good Karmic image.
[01:42] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you're way past grub and you don't need to reinstall if you can solve this.
[01:42] <BronzeAu> Ok - got gdm. Ta
[01:42] <zmjjmz> or you could give up and install slim
[01:42] <BronzeAu> Happy to persist if you guys want to. could be valuable intel.
[01:44] <DanaG> hmm, "nvidia" -- you should say what driver, and what sort of card.
[01:44] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, any ideas what your graphics card is?
[01:44] <aprilhare> bye
[01:44] <BronzeAu> So where to from here? Do you want me to see what sort of card I have?
[01:45] <BronzeAu> Ok - Can I find out via software or bust open the case and see.
[01:45] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, also what happens if you boot with a kernel older than the latest? (maybe item 3 on your grub boot menu?)
[01:45] <BronzeAu> It should be in the Bios yes?
[01:45] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, probably not in your bios
[01:46] <commander_> i need some help with my sound
[01:46] <BronzeAu> Ok - Will try the older kernel.
[01:46] <BronzeAu> Give me a sec - it's across the room.
[01:46] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, if you prefix your reply with my nick and a punctuation mark, I'll get an indication you replied to me rather than a general comment to all.
[01:47] <zmjjmz> commander_: so restarting pulseaudio and/or alsa-utils didn't work?
[01:48] <commander_> nope
[01:49] <commander_> i dunno how to get alsa utils u guys aren't being specific
[01:50] <DanaG> BronzeAu: lspci should tell you the video card.
[01:52] <BronzeAu> Hmmm - that was interesting. When I rebooted it said it had to shut down the Gnome Display Manager first. No luck booting with the older kernel.
[01:53] <BronzeAu> Ok - What do I do with Iscpi? Just type it into the terminal?
[01:53] <DanaG> yeah. And look for a line with nvidia.
[01:53] <BronzeAu> fluvvell: Like this fluvvell?
[01:53] <DanaG> easier:
[01:53] <DanaG> lspci | grep VGA
[01:54] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, yep
[01:54] <BronzeAu> fluvvell: Ok - Getting up to speed on the IRC ettiquette
[01:54] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, good, whats the response regarding the VGA?
[01:54] <commander_> CAN SOMEONE HELP PLEASE!!!1
[01:55] <commander_> That's all i ask
[01:55] <fluvvell> commander_ , you may have to be patient untill someone becomes free
[01:55] <commander_> i been patient all day to be exact
[01:55] <BronzeAu> DanaG: What do I do with the Ispci? do I type it into the Terminal, Google it, look t up on Wikipediea?
[01:55] <DanaG> If it's just one line (with the 'grep'), you can paste it here.
[01:56] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, type lspci | grep VGA    exactly as it is.  The upline is usually above the enter key
[01:56] <DanaG> With shift.
[01:56] <fluvvell> DanaG; hes on another pc
[01:56] <BronzeAu> Ok - Ta. Sorry for my denseness
[01:58] <BronzeAu> Yeah - Computer says "Command Not Found".
[01:58] <fluvvell> commander_, don't forget this is community ie FREE support, nobody is paid. You may be able to access an expert in your area if its urgent.
[01:58] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you typed it wront
[01:58] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you typed it wrong (lol!)
[01:59] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, try the lower case version of   LSPCI    first
[01:59] <BronzeAu> I typed lspci | grepVGA
[01:59] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you also need a space after grep
[02:00] <BronzeAu> ok. Will do that
[02:01] <BronzeAu> Ok - that worked
[02:01] <BronzeAu> typeing it in now
[02:02] <BronzeAu> 01:05.0 VGA compatable controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Raedon Espress 200 G series]
[02:03] <BronzeAu> I also says before I did the graphics card search that i have 5 files that need updating.
[02:04] <BronzeAu> "5 packages can be updated 0 packages are security updates.
[02:04] <BronzeAu> fluvvell: Sorry I forgot to use you nick.
[02:04] <commander_> z my sound card is Realtek ALC268
[02:05] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, yep
[02:05] <DanaG> Is that on the system you installed nvidia drivers on?
[02:05] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, you've just hit the problem on the head.
[02:05] <yoga> I wonder where is the menu.lst file?
[02:05] <Berzerker_> DanaG, is what the system
[02:06] <BronzeAu> commander: I know its frustrating mae but it the risk we take.
[02:06] <DanaG> Meaning, if you have two computers, you ran the command on the one with the problem, right?
[02:06] <yoga> How do I set the bot menu?
[02:06] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, in fact I'm about to travel to my fathers house to fix the very same graphics card based issue with exactly the same faults. Its a 3 hr drive,
[02:06] <Berzerker-> DanaG, yes, I'm on a different computer right now. other one is sitting at a console
[02:06] <DanaG> ah, anyway, the output from the broken one says ATI?  If so, the solution is simple: just remove the nvidia drivers.
[02:07] <Berzerker-> what?
[02:07] <BronzeAu> Bugger - well: Who know's you might have the answer before you go at this rate. he he
[02:07] <Berzerker-> they're nvidia cards
[02:07] <Berzerker-> and nothing says ATI
[02:07] <DanaG> er, sorry, two overlapping conversations.
[02:07] <BronzeAu> fluvvell: Whoops. Forgot nic again. Grrrr
[02:07] <Berzerker-> oh
[02:07] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, so you could keep asking here in the meantime. I recommend you don't try a reinstall as once it updates, you'll probably be back in the same boat.
[02:07] <DanaG> Meant that for BronzeAu.  Sorry me.
[02:07] <DanaG> er, silly me.
[02:08] <BronzeAu> Hmmm - Rock | me | hardplace.
[02:08] <fluvvell> BronzeAu, sorry mate - I have to shoot. But As I said, keep asking and now you have more ammo.  Your graphics card, no desktop and (I'm guessing) karmic koala with updates installed.
[02:09] <BronzeAu> Thanks fluvvell
[02:10] <BronzeAu> So... Commander : I'll fix your sound problem and you can fix my boot problem eh?
[02:13] <BronzeAu> Hi guys.
[02:13] <virtuald> i hear no sound from empathy. why is that?
[02:14] <BronzeAu> Commander is having problems with his sound card and I'm having boot problems. Any helpers?
[02:16] <yoga> I just upgrade to KDE 4.3.2, the X Window will restart it self from time to time, anyone have the same problem?
[02:16] <wirechief_> ubuntu-netbook-remix will not install it stops on configuring apt at 80% is this a known issue ?
[02:17] <BronzeAu> Yeah - there are no gurus active here at the moment. I just went into #ubuntu and invited some people to come and help. No joy by the looks though.
[02:17] <commander__> does anyone have any suggestions
[02:17] <lfaraone> wirechief_: uh, what is it configuring?
[02:17] <BronzeAu> BRB - Will ask again in 20.
[02:17] <commander__> my sound card is a RealTek ALC268
[02:17] <wirechief_> its in the installer and the stage that apt is being configured
[02:18] <BronzeAu> Going to try some sudo updates and see if that fixes it.
[02:18] <wirechief_> i have tried twice now and it fails at the same place
[02:18] <wirechief_> the cd checks out ok with the integrity check and sha256sum on the download
[02:18] <Skif> wirechief_: I'm running UNR-karmic now, but I installed as of about three weeks ago. :(  Maybe try an older install image?
[02:18] <MindSpark> hi, I've noticed during upgrades that I am getting this error every time: something about the eeepc-laptop module build failed and installation skipped
[02:19] <wirechief_> Skif thats a idea, also it wont boot from a usb stick
[02:19] <MindSpark> I think this is affecting my wifi from running unless restarted every time it goes to sleep and often needs several restarts
[02:19] <oldude67> commander__, do you have any sound at all?
[02:19] <DanaG> BronzeAu: oh yeah, so if the thing has an ATI card, then it has no business having NVIDIA drivers installed.  =þ
[02:19] <wirechief_> either that or ill just install debian.
[02:20] <wirechief_> and wait for the final, this thing is pretty buggy at the moment
[02:20] <commander__> none only a beep when i shut down and manuallt reboot
[02:20] <oldude67> commander__, what desktop are you running gnome or kde???
[02:20] <commander__> gnome
[02:21] <commander__> oldude67
[02:21] <oldude67> commander__, go into system settings under multimedia and see if it loaded the sound card.
[02:21] <Berzerker-> how do I uninstall nvidia drivers from the command line?
[02:22] <commander__> how do i getthere
[02:22] <Skif> I recently upgraded to karmic (and then reinstalled), and ever since, my microphone (built-in on a HP Mini 110) hasn't worked.
[02:22] <commander__> thru terminal
[02:22] <oldude67> commander__,give me a minute and i will switch to gnome desktop and give you a hand installing a few things at the moment tho.
[02:23] <Skif> Sound Preferences notices it, says it's not muted, but nothing comes out when I try Skype or Cheese.
[02:23] <commander__> ok
[02:23] <jdfoote3> Hi - I just installed Karmic, and I can't get network-manager to work. When I try to connect to a wireless network, the network-manager icon disappears. Can anyone help?
[02:23] <Skif> jdfoote3: that *just* happened to me yesterday.  I upgraded about 5 minutes ago, and now it's working.\
[02:23] <oldude67> jdfoote3, are you using that machine now?
[02:23] <oldude67> jdfoote3, if so update
[02:24] <jdfoote3> oldude67 Unfortunately, I don't have a wired connection
[02:24] <jdfoote3> So I'm kinda stuck
[02:25] <oldude67> ok be back in a minute.
[02:25] <jdfoote3> oldude67: awesome, thanks
[02:25] <Skif> I even fired up alsamixer and made sure everything there was unmuted and set to its highest level, and still can't seem to record any sound.  Any ideas?
[02:26] <yoga> exit
[02:28] <BronzeAu> any Gurus here yet?
[02:28] <zachtib> hey, I was wondering about the version of Eclipse that ships with Karmic. It was updated (finally!) to 3.5.1, but other packages, specifically eclipse-cdt are on much older versions. the version of eclipse-cdt is 3.1.2, while the version that corresponds to eclipse 3.5.1 is cdt 6.0.1
[02:28] <zachtib> I mentioned this to my mother, who does some development for eclipse, and she wasn't even sure such an old cdt build would work with eclipse 3.5
[02:29] <oldude67> commander__, ok im in gnome now, let me make sure its all up and running real quick
[02:29] <NoelJB> zachtib, well, if someone who cared actually maintained the package, it could be kept more up to date.
[02:30] <zachtib> NoelJB: yeah... I'm just worried someone will install eclipse and eclipse-cdt in Karmic and it'll break =/
[02:30] <jdfoote3> So, is there any way to update network-manager without being connected to the Internet? Can you manually update?
[02:30] <oldude67> commander__, ok at the top of do you see the tab that system? if so click on it and go to preferences and then to system settings.
[02:31] <oldude67> commander__, in the systems settings you will see a icon that says multimedia and click on it and see if your sound card comes up.
[02:31] <NoelJB> zachtib, eclipse is maintained by Ubuntu, eclipse-cdt by MOTU.
[02:31] <BronzeAu> This is my problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk <-- 46sec mark. Flavvell Isolated the problem to either the Graphics Monitor or the GDM. Any further help please
[02:31] <oldude67> jdfoote3, if you have no network and cant reach the internet then it would be hard to update
[02:32]  * NoelJB just booked travel for the UDS.  :-)
[02:32] <jdfoote3> oldude67, Ok, I guess I'll figure out a way to get it connected
[02:32] <jdfoote3> Thanks
[02:32] <zachtib> ok... I'm thinking this late the best thing might be to remove eclipse-cdt from the repos and just install it via eclipse's addon mngr
[02:32] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, ?
[02:32] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, what's up?
[02:32] <test34> jdfoote3, download the update with a computer that is connected to the internet, then copy the files on a CD and transfer to the computer without network
[02:32] <wirechief_> The cd past the media test and the sha256sum check, I have tried twice to install and it fails at the same point at 80 % configuring Apt
[02:32] <wirechief_> I tried to use the "skip" however that doesnt seem to have any affect.
[02:32] <wirechief_> I am installing the distro on a Acer Aspire one N250 with atom processor, I have installed ubuntu Januty remix 9.04 and it had worked fine so I know that it should work. It has been over 30 minutes on this step of the install at the moment and i will let it continue till tommorow.
[02:33] <NoelJB> what test34 said would work :-)
[02:33] <wirechief_> dam
[02:33] <jdfoote3> test34, how would I do that?
[02:33] <jdfoote3> Where could I d/l the update from?
[02:33] <NoelJB> zachtib, not a bad idea
[02:33] <jdfoote3> Right now I have a Windows box that is working, sitting next to my Ubuntu box that isn't connected
[02:33] <jdfoote3> I can move files via a flash drive or whatever
[02:33] <BronzeAu> Any takers???
[02:34] <jdfoote3> Basically, it sounds like I just need to update network-manager
[02:34] <Skif> interestingly, when I record a movie in cheese, the video starts updating VERY VERY slowly. I wonder if something in the PulseAudio chain is slowing down sound recording to the point where it isn't getting processed by the app until after the app has stopped recording sound?
[02:34] <Skif> I remember in jaunty I had to uninstall pulseaudio to get any sound recorded at all, but I was hoping to not have to do that with karmic.
[02:34] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, for individual packages, there are several ways, but personally, I'd just download the current ones from the Network Manager PPA.
[02:34] <Crypia> Hello - How can I change the startup order of gmd in Karmic?  I'm at a bit of a loss with upstart and am wondering if gdm
[02:34] <jdfoote3> Do I just d/l the newest version of network-manager, with its required libraries? Once I do that, how do I tell my box to use those files to update?
[02:35] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, what is broken, specifically?
[02:35] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, wait ... better thought ...
[02:35] <BronzeAu> Crypia - You and I might have the same prob I think.
[02:35] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, download the current iso, and then when you book karmic, tell it to update from the iso.
[02:35] <NoelJB> that ought to work.,
[02:36] <jdfoote3> NoelJB, when I start my computer, network manager loads, then when I try to connect to a network, network-manager disappers
[02:36] <Crypia> BronzeAu: is it not possible to move gdm's startup order?  I'm starting to think it isn't :(
[02:36] <BronzeAu> I'm having gdm probs too.
[02:36] <jbuncher> BronzeAu, what gdm probs?
[02:36] <BronzeAu> Crypia - I don't know. Thats why I'm here too.
[02:36] <jdfoote3> NoelJB, where do I tell it to update from the .iso? In Update manager?
[02:36] <BronzeAu> Wont progress.
[02:36] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, try downloading the current daily build, burning the CD, and then telling karmic to upgrade using it.  I believe that should work.  anyone?
[02:36] <Crypia> BronzeAu: how's it affecting you?  I need gdm to wait just a bit during startup so I can get a few other services to start first, namely mysql, mythbackend and lircd
[02:37] <BronzeAu> Sorry - forgot nic. new to IRC
[02:37] <jdfoote3> NoelJB, that sounds doable, I'll start d/ling the ISO
[02:37] <test34> jdfoote3, try ftp://lug.mtu.edu/ubuntu/dists/karmic/ (in internet explorer or whatever)
[02:37] <BronzeAu> Mine just stalls I think: See 46sec mark here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKFA4_GHWk
[02:38] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, software sources ought to help, if you have the CD in the drive.
[02:38] <Skif> No ideas about recording sound?
[02:38] <Berzerker-> how can I install nvidia 180 without installing 185? when I run apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 it says it's going to install 185 also
[02:38] <IndyGunFreak> is anyone else not getting sound in empathy?
[02:38] <NoelJB> Berzerker-, you can't  we don't use 180 anymore.  185.36 is the standard driver for karmic.
[02:38] <Crypia> BronzeAu: have you applied all the updates that are available?
[02:38] <NoelJB> the fact that 180 points to 185 is to transition.
[02:39] <Berzerker-> NoelJB, 185 doesn't work for me.
[02:39] <BronzeAu> Crypia: It's either my gdm or graphics monitor selection. but thats as far as I have got so far.
[02:39] <Berzerker-> NoelJB, gives me flickering screen ending in a GDM crash on boot
[02:39] <test34> Berzerker-, get it straight from nvidia.com ?
[02:39] <Crypia> BronzeAu: are you in front of that computer right now?
[02:39] <BronzeAu> Tried - tried and tried. Keep not connecting to the manager
[02:39] <Berzerker-> test34, no I used the hardware drivers window
[02:39] <NoelJB> Berzerker-, sorry.  works for me.  unfortunately, you can report it, but most likely only nvidia can fix it.
[02:39] <jdfoote3> test34, what file do I want? I mean, the ideal would be if I could just update network-manager (or whatever libraries are broken)...
[02:39] <test34> Berzerker-, I mean try to get it from nvidia.com
[02:39] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Yep. Well - its across the room.
[02:40] <test34> jdfoote3, try what NoelJB said then
[02:40] <Crypia> BronzeAu: you probably just need some updates, can you connect to it on the network or does it lockup hard?
[02:40] <NoelJB> if you don't like 185, you can try 190.  if you don't like either, you can do what I used to do, and install manually from the nvidia web site.
[02:40] <jdfoote3> Ok - thanks test34 and NoelJB, I'll try some things :)
[02:40] <BronzeAu> Compared the UUID's and conf.d/resume. no joy there either.
[02:40] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, basically, you want all of the karmic packages from here: https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk/+packages
[02:41] <NoelJB> as a quick and dirty.  but try the ISO first.
[02:41] <Berzerker-> how do I stop GDM
[02:41] <Berzerker-> from a console
[02:41] <NoelJB> service gdm stop
[02:41] <BronzeAu> I'm net connected on both computers but it won't resolve the addresses.
[02:41] <Berzerker-> didn't work
[02:41] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Sorry keep forgetting to use you nic
[02:41] <Berzerker-> oh had to sudo
[02:41] <Crypia> BronzeAu: can you go to that Karmic computer and hit the control-alt-F1 buttons?  that should get you a text-login prompt unless the pc is completely locked up
[02:42] <Berzerker-> NoelJB, should I download a precompiled kernel intereface?
[02:42] <BronzeAu> I'm in terminal now.
[02:42] <jdfoote3> Thanks, NoelJB, will do
[02:42] <BronzeAu> Have tried sudo apt-get update; upgrade and dist-upgrade.
[02:42] <Berzerker-> oh nvm
[02:43] <Crypia> BronzeAu: update everything, login and do this "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get -y -u upgrade"
[02:43] <Crypia> BronzeAu: I'll bet that fixes your issues, if after you update and reboot, let me know if you still have the issue
[02:43] <BronzeAu> Crypia: When I do sudo apt-get update it comes back with two pages of "Failed to fetch..."
[02:43] <jdfoote3> NoelJB or test34, is this the right place for the updated ISO? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:44] <Crypia> BronzeAu: is it plugged into the network with a network cable?
[02:44] <Berzerker-> test34, file straight from nvidia doesn't work
[02:44] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Ok - will try that then. Yeah. Network cable.
[02:44] <Berzerker-> does the same thing
[02:44] <NoelJB> jdfoote3, yes
[02:44] <BronzeAu> Yep - Black Cat5
[02:45] <Crypia> Crypia: try this before the updates "sudo ifup eth0", for some reason my eth0 (1st network card) was down until I brought it up
[02:45] <test34> Berzerker-, you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver fron nvidia to nv until you figure something out (at least it will work but without acceleration)
[02:46] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Do I enter the entire string including the ; or both commands seperately?
[02:46] <Crypia> BronzeAu: I used my nick lol, try this before the updates "sudo ifup eth0", for some reason my eth0 (1st network card) was down until I brought it up
[02:46] <Crypia> the ; seperates two commands that you can type on the same line, it's just a handy thing to do
[02:46] <Berzerker-> test34, nv does the same thing
[02:46] <test34> Berzerker-, what does it do?
[02:47] <Berzerker-> test34, screen flickers ending in a GDM crash
[02:47] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Ok. Trying now - Will reply with result.
[02:47] <Berzerker-> down to console
[02:47] <test34> Berzerker-, when I had this problem, I had to do a apt-get update; upgrade; dist-upgrade from the live-cd
[02:48] <BronzeAu> Crypia:  It say it ignoring the unknown interface eth0
[02:49] <BronzeAu> Crypia:  So does that mean no connectivity.
[02:49] <Crypia> BronzeAu: what does "sudo ifconfig" show?  any good IP addresses other than <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:49] <test34> Berzerker-, try this: http://pastie.org/646303
[02:49] <Crypia> BronzeAu: yup, your not connecting to the Internet
[02:50] <test34> Berzerker-, just change /dev/sda1 for your / partition
[02:50] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Sorry not good at terminal at all hence why I'm here. It said command not found to sudo ipconfig
[02:51] <Crypia> BronzeAu: it's ifconfig, not ipconfig (ipconfig is windows)
[02:51] <Crypia> BronzeAu: ifconfig, as in interface config
[02:51] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Sorry mybad.
[02:52] <tj83> gnome seems like tripping acid today
[02:52] <DanaG> oh yeah, about nvidia drivers... I think there's a ppa with some other versions somewhere.\
[02:52] <BronzeAu> Crypia: That displayed a page of data - what do we need to know from it?
[02:53] <tj83> DanaG, so your saying there is a new bug in nvidia driver and should get out of ppa?
[02:53] <Crypia> BronzeAu: any nice ip addresses, like <IP_ADDRESS> or something similar?
[02:53] <DanaG> no, I'm just saying that a PPA exists.
[02:53] <BronzeAu> tj83: Apparently there was an update yesterday. Hence why.
[02:54] <DanaG> I haven't used nvidia in a while... my nvidia (GF Go 7600) laptop is laying on a shelf; my new one uses ATI.
[02:54] <BronzeAu> Crypia: So type that in after the sudo ifconfig?
[02:54] <tj83> DanaG, BronzeAu i mean, its usable, i am sure wont be long before new update sets it right?
[02:55] <Crypia> BronzeAu: nope, we're just looking for any valid IP addresses in the page of stuff you got from "sudo ifconfig", trying to figure out why you're not on the internet
[02:55] <tj83> should specify the device too sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:55] <Berzerker-> test34, that cp command doesn't work, says the two are the same file
[02:55] <tj83> Crypia, you check dns info?
[02:56] <tj83> can you ping the router?
[02:56] <test34> Berzerker-, try to skip that cp command
[02:56] <BronzeAu> Crypia:  There are no ip's displayed except for the 127 one.
[02:56] <Crypia> tj83: nope, didn't check that yet, I'd like to know what his subnet is before sugging a router ping, but that's a good thought
[02:56] <test34> Berzerker-, it is not always necessary
[02:57] <Crypia> BronzeAu: you're networking isn't configured for some reason, you're not using MAC filtering on your router's switch are you?  Has this pc connected to the internet with another OS before?
[02:57] <test34> or maybe even never..
[02:57] <BronzeAu> Crypia & tj83: I gotta learn your language. I guess I'm inthe right place to do that.
[02:59] <Berzerker-> test34, ok now what, reboot?
[02:59] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Has been on the ney for years where it is on XP, Live CD's Dapper right through, Yesterday with Fedora11, windows7 and then Jaunty install and Karmic Upgrade. Thats where things went wrong. 3/4's through it spat the dummy and wont reboot since. I rebooted this morning after a night of downloads to no go.
[02:59] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/432620
[03:00] <darthanubis> YEA! The bug I submitted is being FIXED!
[03:00] <darthanubis> LOVE THAT!
[03:00] <tj83> BronzeAu, if you just do sudo dhclient etho (wire)
[03:00] <tj83> what happens?
[03:00] <darthanubis> now if we can just get LIFEREA fixed that'd be great. I need my feeds
[03:00] <BronzeAu> Ok brb
[03:00] <test34> Berzerker-, did it update anything?
[03:01] <Berzerker-> test34, yes, linux kernel, that was about it
[03:01] <Berzerker-> test34, still doing the same thing though
[03:01] <test34> Berzerker-, sorry then I don't know that worked for me
[03:01] <Berzerker-> welp, back to jaunty
[03:02] <BronzeAu> Crypia: it said "syntax error near unexpected token '('
[03:02] <tj83> BronzeAu, sorry ont use (wire) thats not part of the command
[03:03] <tj83> dont*
[03:03] <BronzeAu> Crypia: If I leave off the (wire) it says command not found.
[03:03] <DanaG> eth0
[03:03] <BronzeAu> Ok. will replace o with 0
[03:03] <tj83> ah, yes. eth0
[03:04] <Crypia> BronzeAu: make sure you type dhclient too, not dhpclient
[03:04] <tj83> hey, i had that part correct
[03:04] <BronzeAu> Crypia: It want nuts! Filled the page with stuff which I'm sure will be useful/ What do we need to know from it.
[03:05] <tj83> www.pastebin.ca
[03:05] <tj83> paste it in there, give us the URL
[03:05] <Crypia> tj83: yup, you did, I jus thought BronzeAu might not have since he got command not found
[03:05] <Crypia> tj83: he can't get to pastebin from that pc :(
[03:05] <tj83> it will hopefully give you a lease "sucessful"
[03:06] <tj83> no lease? it will say sleeping
[03:07] <BronzeAu> Crypia: It said lots of stuff like Listening, Sending, Sending on, listed heaps of IP addresses, a DHCPACK etc etc
[03:07] <tj83> right BronzeAu the result is the important part
[03:07] <tj83> and if it were heaps, then likely no lease
[03:08] <BronzeAu> at the end it said "Renewal in 41630 seconds"
[03:08] <Crypia> Crypia: does "sudo ifconfig" give you some IP address anywhere?  like <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[03:08] <mark232> quick stupid question: are there no proper localizations yet for the 9.10 beta? or am I looking in the wrong places?
[03:08] <Crypia> shoot, I'm Crypia lol
[03:08] <Crypia> BronzeAu: now try "sudo apt-get update ; sudo -y -u apt-get upgrade"
[03:08] <tj83> we are off tonight its ok, it my b-day, slightly intoxicated.
[03:09] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Thanks so much for your patience.
[03:09] <joelle> Just updated to karmic beta, snd-hda-intel is spamming dmesg with spurious response messages, sound doesn't work. any ideas?
[03:09] <Crypia> tj83: brilliant idea with dhclient
[03:09] <bobertdos> Anyone else noticing the fast switcher crashing, causing the graphical shutdown options to close in the top panel? (Gnome, obviously)
[03:10] <tj83> I cant believe the talk of all this visual problems in karmic so late. :(
[03:10] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Connected and downloading
[03:10] <joelle> I don't have any visual ones, just lack of auditory ones ;)
[03:11] <Crypia> joelle: what version of alsa comes with karmic anyway? 1.0.20?
[03:11] <Crypia> BronzeAu: Let's see what happens after a reboot after all the updates, let me know
[03:11] <tj83> joelle, was it working before recent updates?
[03:11] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Hopefully these are the packages it couldn't get yesterday.
[03:11] <BronzeAu> Will sure do.
[03:12] <BronzeAu> Go you need other details from me to report this as a bug.
[03:12] <BronzeAu> Could be handy
[03:12] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Doing headers now
[03:12] <Crypia> joelle: what does alsactl -v show?
[03:13] <tj83> i wish someone would fix my bug #254438
[03:13] <Skif> Anybody have any suggestions on why my microphone doesn't seem to be working with pulseaudio?
[03:13] <joelle> Crypia: sec
[03:13] <joelle> 1.0.20
[03:15] <tj83>  BronzeAu how did you get the updates w/out Internet connectivity?
[03:16] <joelle> Crypia: it seems it's trying to use the HDMI output, how can i tell it to not do that?
[03:16] <bobertdos> Skif: Have you checked the mic level in alsamixer (via the terminal)?
[03:16] <Skif> bobertdos: yep; turned everything on at its highest level.
[03:16] <Crypia> joelle: does "sudo /etc/init.d/./alsa-utils restart" or "sudo /etc/init.d/./alsasound restart" help?
[03:16] <Skif> bobertdos: interestingly, when I unmute everything in alsamixer, the sound preferences dialog claims the mic is muted, and vice-versa.
[03:16] <tj83> i got a update in which i went from one channel in alsamixer to many and in the gui it was unmuted and could not adjust sound up. in alsamixer i found 4 channels muted.
[03:16] <bobertdos> what program are you trying to use with it, Skif?
[03:17] <Skif> bobertdos: anything, really.  Cheese, Skype, you name it.
[03:17] <Crypia> Crypia: can you install gnome-alsamixer?  It's the best gui mixer to check certain boxes and settings
[03:17] <Crypia> joelle: sorry, using my own nic again, can you install gnome-alsamixer?  It's the best gui mixer to check certain boxes and settings
[03:18] <bobertdos> hmm
[03:18] <BronzeAu> tj83: It's connected now
[03:18] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Finished Crypia. Should I sudo reboot now.
[03:19] <Skif> bobertdos: when I record a movie via cheese, it get INCREDIBLY slow.  Like multiple seconds per frame slow.  I suspect a connection.
[03:19] <BronzeAu> tj83: I don't know how we got it connected?
[03:19] <Crypia> BronzeAu: yeah, reboot, let see what happens, if it still fails then we should figure out why you're not connecting to the network during bootup, that might hangup gdm a bit since it's network aware
[03:19] <joelle> Crypia: I don't see any cards other than the HDMI (silicon image chip).
[03:20] <mark232> are we not able to test the localizations in the beta?
[03:20] <joelle> that's no good :|
[03:20] <Crypia> joelle: are there still more updates available?  "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get -y -u upgrade" ?
[03:20] <BronzeAu> Crypia: is the command simply sudo reboot?
[03:20] <Crypia> BronzeAu: sudo shutdown -r now
[03:21] <test34> sudo reboot should also work
[03:21] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Can you link me to somewhere on the net that has all the common commands and the correct grammar please?
[03:22] <joelle> Crypia: doing it now
[03:22] <commander__> can anyone help me with my sound?
[03:22] <commander__> i have a Realtek ALC268
[03:22] <commander__> sound card
[03:22] <commander__> hope tht enuff info
[03:22] <kruykaze> amarok is not playing songs in karmic
[03:23] <zmjjmz> commander__: open alsamixer
[03:23] <tj83> BronzeAu, "all" of them lol? that would be awesome
[03:23] <zmjjmz> select that
[03:23] <Crypia> BronzeAu: this might be a start --> http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html
[03:23] <commander__> ok it's open
[03:23] <commander__> i got alsamixergui
[03:23] <joelle> upgrading now. I'll let you know how it goes, Crypia
[03:24] <tj83> BronzeAu, even if you could find a list of all them, would probably have to be in database form... too many, and still yet the all the options to said number of commands are forever endless
[03:24] <tj83> lol
[03:25] <Crypia> joelle: do a reboot after it's all done
[03:26] <test34> tj: autocomplete command could possible take care of the options?
[03:26] <BronzeAu> Crypia: UPDATE: Ok. It said Loading grub then lost video signal for about 10 seconds. I go to read (Development Branch) in the boot up before that so it has updated from the older. Final line says : "Kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot..." then it just lists the version and end with terminal prompt.
[03:26] <Skif> here's a screenshot of gnome-alsamixer (with my mic not working): http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33273631/Screenshot-GNOME%20ALSA%20Mixer.png
[03:26] <test34> possibly
[03:27] <commander__> zmj i opened it now what?
[03:27] <Crypia> BronzeAu: are any of the options 2.6.31-11?
[03:28] <test34> 2.6.31-12 is out now
[03:28] <Crypia> BronzeAu: is it at a login prompt or the grub boot menu prompt?
[03:29] <joelle> Crypia: and all of a sudden there's sound. thanks ;)
[03:30] <commander__> hello
[03:31] <wastrel> hey dudes is there a way to fix url parsing in gnome-terminal
[03:31] <Crypia> joelle: sweet!  I've had some weirdness with sound too, mute is sometimes on, or volumes set to ZERO, etc...
[03:31] <wastrel> like how it breaks at :'s and whatnot
[03:31] <test34> mute constantly comes back.. after updates maybe?
[03:31] <BronzeAu> Crypia: it does not say the version although it may have said it in the selection to boot screen at the beginning. It does say however that it was..."trying to resume from /dev/disk/by-uuid/ and then lists my massive uuid#
[03:32] <Crypia> test34: I'm on server x64 and don't see 2.6.31-12 yet
[03:32] <Crypia> BronzeAu: ewwww
[03:32] <BronzeAu> Crypia: I don't know what prompt I'm at. When it stalled and lost video signal I went ctrl+alt and F1
[03:32] <test34> Crypia, I'm on desktop 64bit and I'm running it.. maybe you need a better mirror;)
[03:32] <BronzeAu> Crypia: LOL Your not filling me with joy Crypia. ROFL
[03:33] <Crypia> BronzeAu: try ctrl+alt and F7, that's where gdm should be, if that's not workign go to ctrl+alt and F2 and login at the text prompt
[03:33] <joelle> Crypia: new question for ya -- after the upgrade the screen brightness buttons stopped working. I know these are usually hit or miss, but since they worked before, figure I might as well mention it
[03:33] <Crypia> test34: I did switch my mirrors to get a nice fast one, but it might be a bit behind, but it's nice and fast ;)
[03:34] <Crypia> joelle: that's odd, I kind of that was more lower level hardware only, not an os function
[03:34] <test34> Crypia, I'd rather have one that is a little slower but more up-to-date
[03:35] <BronzeAu> Crypia: ctrl+alt F7 lost video signal. ctrl+alt f2 gave command prompt. Have logged in. am at steve@steve-desktop:~$
[03:35] <kruykaze> is there a good gmail notifier for karmic?
[03:35] <Crypia> test34: I'm the oposite, lol.  I'm using ftp.ussg.iu.edu
[03:35] <joelle> Crypia: it was definitely part of the OS-- a little thing came up on the screen
[03:35] <joelle> same as the volume
[03:35] <systemshock869> Anyone have their madwifi disappear after upgrading to karmic?
[03:36] <test34> Crypia, mine is slower but I'm all updated, sorry;)
[03:37] <test34> Crypia, you can download the updates at a faster speed later.. maybe tomorrow?
[03:37] <webbb82> i just got a big update  is there more comming?
[03:37] <test34> ok have fun good night
[03:37] <Crypia> test34: yeah, I'll check tomorow, I've got enough stuff finally working for today that I'm afraid to update ;)
[03:37] <BronzeAu> Crypia: So... Chalk it up to experience and go with a reinstall you reckon?
[03:37] <test34> Crypia, good point
[03:38] <Crypia> BronzeAu: which ISO did you installed from?
[03:38] <systemshock869> Can anyone help with the atheros madwifi driver?
[03:38] <systemshock869> Updated today and my wireless card disappeared
[03:39] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Jaunty. I had Dapper. Upgraded from the latest Linux mag here in Oz.
[03:39] <Crypia> Crypia: oh yuck, yeah, if you can save your data, wipe the partitions clean, repartition in ext4 and start from scratch
[03:39] <webbb82> what update did they just put out
[03:40] <BronzeAu> Happy to install again. I have two weeks off to play with all this stuff and two spare computers to do what I need to do. just testing Window 7 and the latestest and Greatest Fedora and Ubuntu / edubuntu.
[03:40] <Crypia> BronzeAu: sorry, wrong nick again, what's my problem?!:!  oh yuck, yeah, if you can save your data, wipe the partitions clean, repartition in ext4 and start from scratch
[03:41] <DanaG> weird... gnome-bluetooth shows bluetooth:disabled, yet "rfkill list" shows bluetooth being enabled.
[03:41] <DanaG> And gnome-bluetooth doesn't let me re-enable bluetooth.
[03:41] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Too easy - I can do that. Anything of value is on an est terra drive.
[03:41] <DanaG> https://myportal.calpoly.edu/render.userLayoutRootNode.uP;jsessionid=A9B6AE3809A8AE400C56C8E0F4CF31CE
[03:41] <wastrel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/377367
[03:42] <Crypia> BronzeAu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:42] <BronzeAu> Crypia: So look - thanks so much for your time and patience guys. especiall you Crypia. I really appreciate it. Do you want to or would you like me to try and log this as a bug or do you think the dev would already know about it?
[03:43] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Thats an AMD image. I'm on a 32bit machine.
[03:43] <Crypia> BronzeAu: It's up to you, they might be working on the bug already, see what happens after a super clean install
[03:44] <Crypia> BronzeAu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[03:45] <webbb82> im a little confused i just did apt-get upgrade --fix-missing and i get this   xubuntu-gdm-theme xubuntu-wallpapers xulrunner-1.9.1 xulrunner-1.9.1-gnome-support
[03:45] <webbb82> 98 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:45] <webbb82> Need to get 6,749kB/206MB of archives.
[03:45] <webbb82> After this operation, 10.5MB disk space will be freed.
[03:45] <webbb82> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[03:45] <BronzeAu> Ok - Coolies. Thanks. I just cut the end off the link and redirected to i386
[03:46] <webbb82> oops sorry
[03:46] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Is that a bootable image?
[03:46] <Trizicus> how do I update grub2?
[03:46] <Trizicus> the menu
[03:47] <webbb82> can someone take a look and see whats going on http://pastebin.com/m6e4ee67d
[03:47] <webbb82> please
[03:47] <bobertdos> !grub2
[03:47] <Crypia> BronzeAu: oh yeah for sure, all the ISO's are, you know how to write it to a CD properly, right?
[03:48] <Crypia> BronzeAu: you could do it from the command line on the current karmic install like this:
[03:48] <webbb82> i did fix missing and it was trying to del files not install missing stuff
[03:48] <Crypia> BronzeAu:  wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[03:48] <commander__> how can i get alsa-utils?
[03:48] <commander__> oldude67 r u here?
[03:48] <Crypia> BronzeAu: cdrecord karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[03:48] <Crypia> BronzeAu: and then you're done, the command line is your friend! :)
[03:48] <DanaG> handy hint for cd burning: burn at a slower-than-max speed.
[03:49] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Thanks - I'll download it on this machine and burn it to disk when done.
[03:49] <DanaG> er, how'd I copy that address I pasted?
[03:49] <DanaG> I meant to paste this:
[03:49] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/EliteBook-karmic-20091007-4.png
[03:49] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Haven't had a lot of luck with iso images. the last three had bad sums. My wife is not happy with our downloads atm.
[03:50] <Crypia> DanaG: how do people make boot charts like that?
[03:51] <DanaG> !info bootchart
[03:51] <Volkodav> anybody has the lock screen not working in xfce ?
[03:51] <Crypia> BronzeAu: what do you have to loose other than a few cents for the CD, give it a shot, it might just work and you'll learn two new command ;)
[03:51] <webbb82> can someone look at this and see if they can figure out why its trying to remove files insted of install  missing  depends  http://pastebin.com/m6e4ee67d
[03:51] <BronzeAu> Crypia: Thanks again. Thats a 1.5 hours download so I'll came backin when done and let those that are here know how I wen with the reinstall.
[03:51] <kruykaze> what replaces gm-notify in koala?
[03:52] <DanaG> hmm, so why is my boot so slow?
[03:52] <Zotha> I'm having problems getting 9.10 to work with my intel agn wireless adapter, also, cant get my sprint cdma evdo usb modem to work.  I can get wired eth0 to work though.
[03:52] <BronzeAu> Thanks Crypia: Have written it down. I will cross the room and give it a spin. Ta
[03:53] <Crypia> BronzeAu: yw and good luck
[03:53] <guest329104> Hello. Anyone here running Ubuntu 9.10 beta? I do not see icons next to the next of System -> Preferences, Administration, etc.
[03:53] <guest329104> Is this normal?
[03:53] <kruykaze> same problem here
[03:54] <guest329104> Ok good; I was thinking maybe I had a corrupt download o_o
[03:54] <kruykaze> hehe
[03:54] <kruykaze> you can always check the disc for errors
[03:55] <guest329104> kruykaze: I didn't feel like wasting yet another CD-R so I stuck it on a flash drive.
[03:55] <thiebaude> guest329104, you can add them back
[03:55] <kruykaze> :D
[03:55] <guest329104> thiebaude: Cool.
[03:55] <kruykaze> how did you mount it?
[03:56] <guest329104> kruykaze: When you switch themes, does it give a message saying "the theme will not look proper because you do not have the Human theme installed"?
[03:56] <kruykaze> guest329104, i installed the human theme
[03:56] <Adola> Anyone have Plymouth working with Karmic?
[03:57] <guest329104> kruykaze: A nifty little program called UNetbootin. It works fine if you select "Ubuntu 9.04 Live 64."
[03:57] <guest329104> kruykaze: So did I, but I'm still getting the little error message :P
[03:57] <kruykaze> guest329104, why 9.04/
[03:57] <kruykaze> ?
[03:58] <guest329104> kruykaze: Because 9.10 wasn't an option for the installer.
[03:58] <kruykaze> guest329104, so you put in karmic image but used the 9.04 "option"?
[03:58] <guest329104> kruykaze: Yes.
[03:59] <wastrel> apparently there's a patch for the broken url parsing in gnome-terminal
[03:59] <wastrel> upstream patch
[03:59] <kruykaze> guest329104, thx
[03:59] <kruykaze> guest329104, i should start using that
[03:59] <wastrel> imma have to build my own package or summmat
[04:00] <guest329104> kruykaze: Go to System -> Preferences -> Appearance and change the theme to New Wave...do you see "This theme will not look as intended because...etc."
[04:00] <kruykaze> guest329104, ok
[04:00] <guest329104> kruykaze: If you want to stop using blank discs all the time, yes :P
[04:01] <guest329104> I'm so happy that my X-Fi finally works (Creative sucks though lol).
[04:01] <kruykaze> guest329104, theme works fine
[04:01] <guest329104> kruykaze: You don't see a message though?
[04:01] <guest329104> In that window?
[04:01] <kruykaze> guest329104, nooope
[04:01] <guest329104> Dang.
[04:01] <guest329104> hmm
[04:01] <kruykaze> hey
[04:01] <DanaG> ugh, gnome-appearance-properties no longer gives tooltips for wallpapers.
[04:02] <kruykaze> what do you use for gmail notifications?
[04:02] <guest329104> kruykaze: Are you on 64 bit?
[04:02] <kruykaze> yes
[04:02] <Nattgew> so I just reinstalled from the Beta and was about to reboot when I had a kernel panic... I haven't had one of those in a while. I rebooted and it immediately says something about a kernel panic, vfs unable to mount root from unknown block
[04:02] <guest329104> Ubuntu 9.10 is one of the best operating systems of all time! OF ALL TIME!
[04:02] <guest329104> brb
[04:03] <kruykaze> lol ok
[04:03] <kruykaze> Nattgew, done updates?
[04:03] <kruykaze> brb
[04:03] <Nattgew> kruykaze, I hadn't done any updates yet
[04:03] <kruykaze> u should brb
[04:04] <Nattgew> it's kind of hard to do updates when it panics at 0.8s
[04:05] <wastrel> nobody cares about the gnome terminal url parsing bug because nobody uses terminal anymore in ubuntu
[04:06] <Nattgew> wastrel: i do... it's not the only bug nobody cares about, of course
[04:09] <kruykaze> Nattgew, lol
[04:10] <kruykaze> Nattgew, so it's not just an error message
[04:10] <Nattgew> well it comes up right after grub loads the kernel
[04:10] <kruykaze> and you only have 1 kernel to choose from?
[04:11] <Nattgew> well i have a second ubuntu install... it just times out "waiting for the root partition"
[04:11] <Nattgew> windows loaded fine...
[04:11] <kruykaze> but only 1 kernel for koala?
[04:12] <Nattgew> yeah, -11 that came with the beta
[04:12] <kruykaze> donno what to tell you
[04:12] <kruykaze> there has been a couple of kernels sinse beta
[04:12] <Nattgew> hmm, i did a fsck from the livecd, that seems to have fixed the boot error
[04:12] <kruykaze> but if you can't boot :/
[04:13] <Nattgew> i guess something with ext4 went wrong when the kernel paniced...
[04:13] <kruykaze> did you just do the switch?
[04:14] <vinoman> I installed beta with a ext3 partition.  seems to be working fine. has ext4 been faster?
[04:14] <Nattgew> to karmic you mean{
[04:14] <kruykaze> i had ext4 since 9.04
[04:14] <Nattgew> yeah me too
[04:15] <kruykaze> installation took 6mins and 25 secs
[04:15] <kruykaze> i was impressed
[04:15] <vinoman> you notice any difference?
[04:15] <vinoman> that much faster?
[04:15] <kruykaze> i don't remember but there are benchmarks
[04:16] <vinoman> ext4 seems as stable as ext3?
[04:16] <kruykaze> yes
[04:16] <kruykaze> no problems here
[04:17] <vinoman> good to know. I'll be reinstalling with final ver. 10/29. I'll set it to ext4
[04:17] <Nattgew> if i want to add a script to run at boot and shutdown, should i do it the old way or is there some special upstart way to do it?
[04:18] <kruykaze> Nattgew, i have no idea about what you mean
[04:20] <Nattgew> kruykaze: scripts are linked into /etc/rc1.d, etc. to run when they're supposed to... you run update-rc.d to link scripts there
[04:21] <guest329104> Am I just ignorant or will Empathy will not minimize a chat window into the main IM window...?
[04:21] <kruykaze> Nattgew, no experience with that
[04:21] <kruykaze> guest329104, u were gonna tell memwhat gmail notifier u use
[04:22] <BronzeAu> I need to reinstall Karmic. I was hoping to rescue some of the downloaded apps to my external HD. Can someone give me code to dump this from whatever directory it stores apps (Tux..., Compiz, Edu apps) into the ext drive?
[04:22] <guest329104> kruykaze: I actually haven't set one up yet :D
[04:22] <kruykaze> guest329104, first time with ubuntu?
[04:23] <guest329104> kruykaze: Oh no, I just installed Karmic though.
[04:23] <guest329104> kruykaze: Been onboard since 5.04 :)
[04:23] <kruykaze> guest329104, what did you use before koala?
[04:24] <commander__> does anyone have problem w/sound on here
[04:24] <kruykaze> commander__, what problem?
[04:24] <commander__> my youtube vids don't have sound
[04:24] <guest329104> kruykaze: jaunty some. I dual boot it so I'm not a super-active user :D
[04:24] <BronzeAu> Kruukaze: Same here. 5.04 for me as we. Handed out 300Live CD's at the local shopping centre.
[04:25] <commander__> when u upgrade to 9.10 beta there's no sound
[04:25] <guest329104> commander__: There is for me.
[04:25] <kruykaze> BronzeAu, nice!
[04:25] <BronzeAu> commander: Are you still trying to get that fixed commander?
[04:25] <commander__> guest how u did it
[04:25] <kruykaze> commander__, did you choose devices with padevchooser?
[04:26] <commander__> no i didn't and what is that?
[04:26] <kruykaze> install it and use it
[04:26] <commander__> do i term it or what?
[04:26] <commander__> thru terminal right
[04:26] <Nattgew> how should I get the wl driver working?
[04:26] <kruykaze> =pulse audio device chooser
[04:26] <kruykaze> Nattgew, what do you have?
[04:27] <commander__> kruy ok what next?
[04:27] <kruykaze> did you rin it/
[04:28] <kruykaze> ?
[04:28] <kruykaze> run*
[04:28] <Nattgew> kruykaze: i have a bcm4312... it's the reason i had to reinstall the beta, by the way... jockey shows the sta driver but when i tell it to activate, it does nothing
[04:28] <kruykaze> "tell" it to activate?
[04:29]  * DanaG misread "sta" as "sata"... and was about to ask what Broadcom had to do with SATA.
[04:29] <Nattgew> click on the button that says "activate"
[04:29] <BronzeAu> Any ideas room: Re "I need to reinstall Karmic. I was hoping to rescue some of the downloaded apps to my external HD. Can someone give me code to dump this from whatever directory it stores apps (Tux..., Compiz, Edu apps) into the ext drive? "
[04:30] <kruykaze> i am soooo confused where is that button? a physical button?
[04:31] <guest329104> To the devs who made 9.10: I don't know how you made it boot this freaking fast, but it's awesome :D
[04:31] <Nattgew> yes, there's a list of drivers, then it says whether it's activated or not (says it's not), and then a button that says "activate"
[04:31] <guest329104> ~14 second boot time.
[04:31] <kruykaze> guest329104, still waiting on the answer
[04:31] <guest329104> kruykaze: The answer to what?
[04:32] <mikedep333> hey, is the mime bug still present for other people? I did an update an hour ago
[04:32] <kruykaze> guest329104, notifier before karmic
[04:32] <mikedep333> I went back to the old shared-mime-info
[04:32] <guest329104> kruykaze: Never used a notifier with ubuntu.
[04:32] <kruykaze> guest329104, loooool
[04:32] <guest329104> kruykaze: :P
[04:32] <kruykaze> guest329104, you are such a tease :D
[04:32] <guest329104> kruykaze: Haha.
[04:33] <kruykaze> you manually go to check your emails?
[04:33]  * DanaG uses gnubiff.
[04:33] <DanaG> I have it set to quack at me when I have new messages.
[04:33] <DanaG> It can use either POP or IMAP.
[04:34] <DanaG> yeah, I do mean "quack".  Even though the icon is a penguin.
[04:34] <kruykaze> gnubiff?
[04:34] <kruykaze> does it have push?
[04:35] <guest329104> kruykaze: I'm not an email freak, so yes :)
[04:36] <guest329104> (Not saying that you are of course.)
[04:36] <kruykaze> lol
[04:36] <kruykaze> i am
[04:36] <kruykaze> that's why i was looking for push email
[04:36] <DanaG> no, gnubiff just polls.
[04:36] <kruykaze> don't wanna wait 3 mins between messages lol
[04:37] <kruykaze> well the main thing is that gm-notify was integrated with jaunty but now i don't find any options
[04:39] <MTecknology> apparenlty bootup takes a long time in 9.10 :(
[04:40] <guest329104> MTecknology: Hah, are you kidding me?
[04:40] <guest329104> MTecknology: It's like coming out of S3 sleep for me.
[04:40] <MTecknology> huh?
[04:40] <MTecknology> http://imagebin.ca/img/M9c3Scr.png
[04:41] <guest329104> MTecknology: Its biggest feature is that it has an extremely fast boot time. You must have some sort of computer malfunction.
[04:41] <MTecknology> what do you consider fast?
[04:41] <guest329104> MTecknology: Approximately 14 seconds here.
[04:41] <guest329104> MTecknology: It's taking you 85 seconds? Dang.
[04:42] <guest329104> MTecknology: 14 seconds from when the BIOS hands over the reigns of course :)
[04:42] <MTecknology> I'm getting ~30; and I use openbox, gnome isn't even on here
[04:42] <guest329104> MTecknology: Weird.
[04:42] <MTecknology> it's reporting wrong because of bootchart rending the chart I think
[04:42] <MTecknology> not sure
[04:45] <MTecknology> guest329104: It's pretty bad.. I realize I have an encrypted partition; but at worst it should cut 5%; and it's a 7200rpm
[04:46] <MTecknology> guest329104: does apparmor load in the kernel?
[04:47] <guest329104> MTecknology: Not sure.
[04:52] <guest329104> Darn. :( My X-Fi input still won't work.
[04:53] <MTecknology> I wonder if tweaking grub will help some
[04:54] <MTecknology> scary territory
[05:00] <angelus> how smart would it be for a ubuntu newbie to install the Koala right now ???
[05:01] <MTecknology> angelus: don't
[05:02] <angelus> thanks ...
[05:04] <guest329104> Anyone here have an X-Fi?
[05:04] <guest329104> MTecknology: What audio do you have?
[05:06] <MTecknology> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[05:06] <MTecknology> guest329104: ^
[05:06] <MTecknology> reboot time; change grub and I hope I did it right
[05:07] <guest329104> MTecknology: K thanks.
[05:07] <glenn> just downloaded karmic iso and going to try and install... it is asking for a login on the install cd
[05:07] <glenn> what would it be?
[05:08] <stefan_> um maybe just like guest I think
[05:09] <MTecknology> this boot time is horrible :(
[05:12] <glenn> no dice on guest
[05:12] <glenn> tryed ubuntu
[05:13] <kruykaze> huh?
[05:13] <MTecknology> there's yet another kernel..
[05:13] <glenn> karmic install is asking for a username and passwordd kruykaze
[05:14] <glenn> tryed guest and ubuntu neither work
[05:14] <kruykaze> oh you're not the one that set it up?
[05:15] <glenn> umm it is a install cd.. nothing is setup
[05:15] <kruykaze> wow never seen such a thing'
[05:15] <MTecknology> then there is no user/pass; it just automatically logs in, there's a little timer that counts down from 10
[05:16] <glenn> let try and reboot
[05:18] <stefan_> hey does anyone have really laggy internet when trying to open webpages?
[05:18] <kruykaze> nope
[05:18] <kruykaze> but karmic server can get slow
[05:18] <kruykaze> with all the downloading
[05:18] <jbuncher> glenn, it should be "ubuntu"
[05:18] <jbuncher> with no password
[05:18] <stefan_> hm ok. it just seems that firefox likes to take years when trying to open any webpage at all.
[05:19] <kruykaze> jjust got koala?
[05:21] <stefan_> yep. and it takes forever to browse the web...
[05:21] <kruykaze> all updates done?
[05:21] <tzanger> does one find kubuntu 9.10 beta help here as well, or just ubuntu/
[05:22] <stefan_> yep, using sudo apt-get upgrade, yes
[05:22] <kruykaze> did you try kubuntu+1?
[05:22] <tzanger> didn't think there was one, as #kubuntu suggests #ubuntu+1
[05:22] <kruykaze> when did you get 910?
[05:22] <kruykaze> oh then here :)
[05:23] <tzanger> kruykaze: this morning
[05:23] <stefan_> just like a few days ago, sunday actually
[05:23] <tzanger> kubuntu+1 forwards here
[05:23] <tzanger> I'm just wondering if anyone else is missing alt+f2 to bring up the run command window, even though the shortcut is defined
[05:23] <kruykaze> stefan_, there have been a ton of updates
[05:23] <stefan_> ya I just updated about an hour ago
[05:23] <maco> tzanger: mine works
[05:23] <kruykaze>  alt+f2 works for me
[05:24] <tzanger> hmm, wonder what is causing it
[05:24] <stefan_> idk. but I heard disabling ipv6 for firefox works... how do you do that?
[05:25] <tzanger> none of the run command interface shortcuts are working
[05:25] <kruykaze> weird
[05:25] <tzanger> indeed
[05:26] <kruykaze> tzanger, you'll spend days getting all the updates from beta to now
[05:26] <stefan_> ya I know.... seeing if it works...
[05:26] <tzanger> kruykaze: ?
[05:26] <tzanger> I just dist-upgraded today
[05:26] <kruykaze> tzanger, what?
[05:26] <tzanger> apt-get update doesn't show any updates
[05:26] <kruykaze> did you ask it to check again?
[05:27] <kruykaze> it doesn't show all at once
[05:27] <tzanger> sure, apt-get update :-)
[05:27] <kruykaze> especially if there's a kernel update
[05:27] <tzanger> I'm running a custom kernel
[05:27] <kruykaze> oh ok
[05:27] <tzanger> (I'm a driver developer)
[05:27] <kruykaze> gotcha i had to do quite a few
[05:27] <stefan_> hmmm. disabling ipv6 didn't do a whole lot....
[05:30] <jdsbluedevl> hi, is anyone else having difficulty getting the VLC controller to display?
[05:30] <stefan_> hmmm so weird. hope they fix it when the release the final version.
[05:30] <stefan_> VLC?
[05:30] <jdsbluedevl> yes, VLC
[05:31] <jdsbluedevl> I wouldn't know what bug it is
[05:31] <jdsbluedevl> maybe it's the same one affecting gnome-volume-control?
[05:32] <idyle> Hey, whenever my computer returns from standby, my monitor doesn't turn back on (laptop) -- how can I go about debugging this?
[05:32] <idyle> ctrl+alt+1-7 don't do anything either
[05:33] <idyle> but ctrl+alt+del does reboot the machine
[05:35] <MTecknology> I wonder if it is crypt that's taking the system so dang long to do anything..... I suppose I 'could' reinstall without it
[05:36] <MTecknology> I don't want to though :( - I like feeling secure
[05:36] <idyle> don't we all :)
[05:37] <jdsbluedevl> so, VLC problem is affecting everyone else?
[05:46] <gsevil> is update-manager still available in 9.10
[05:48] <kklimonda> yes
[05:49] <gsevil> after upgrade, file associate lost, update manager show this error: waiting for other software managers to quit
[05:50] <jdsbluedevl> gsevil: when was the last time you updated?
[05:50] <gsevil> yesterday
[05:50] <gsevil> ah,
[05:50] <gsevil> it's run now,
[05:50] <gsevil> I have to go to System > update-manager
[05:50] <RPG_Master> Karmic is as slow as windows >:(
[05:51] <gsevil> sudo update-manager didn't work
[05:51] <jdsbluedevl> sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:51] <zen|tao> !enter > gsevil
[05:52] <gsevil> after I updated yesterday, all file association lost, how can I fix this?
[05:53] <kklimonda> update again
[05:53] <kklimonda> it was fixed
[06:01] <spencer_> having issue with doing dist-upgrade.. openoffice is somehow broken on my machine :(
[06:04] <hifi> yay, mesa 7.6.0 stable in karmic
[06:10] <ArkoldThos> i wanted to change my hw mac address, so i wanted to bring down eth0 but says that is not configured ignored that and changed the mac, then tried to bring eth0 up but nothing happened
[06:13] <gilos123> I'm having problems getting both my wireless card and my sprint evdo cdma modem to work.
[06:14] <mikedep333> gilos123, I can probably help you with the former
[06:14] <gilos123> i've got the built in agn intel card on my dell.
[06:14] <mikedep333> ok, mine works well
[06:14] <gilos123> did you have to do anything special to get it to work?
[06:15] <mikedep333> no
[06:15] <gilos123> I installed the studio ubuntu 9.10
[06:15] <mikedep333> what kind of wireless network are you trying to connect to?
[06:15] <gilos123> is there any difference in the core?
[06:15] <mikedep333> what kind of security does it have?
[06:15] <mikedep333> gilos123, no
[06:15] <gilos123> it's just a wide open
[06:15] <mikedep333> ubuntu studio uses gnome, right?
[06:15] <gilos123> yep
[06:15] <mikedep333> what happens when you try to connect?
[06:16] <gilos123> well, I don't have a network symbol at the top like I did in jaunty
[06:16] <mikedep333> gilos123, it should be there
[06:16] <gilos123> when I try to ifup it after configuring it.. it just doesn't seem to do anything.
[06:17] <mikedep333> it probably has a different icon
[06:17] <mikedep333> do you see it in restricted drivers manager?
[06:17] <gilos123> bluetooth and speaker and trash are only things.
[06:17] <mikedep333> gilos123, you are supposed to see the network manager whether you have wireless or not
[06:18] <mikedep333> did you try updating karmic to the latest packages?
[06:18] <gilos123> oh, and when I try to do network from the menu, and unlock it since my account is non-root, it lets me see wlan0 but it won't save changes.
[06:18] <gilos123> i've done a apt-get update and upgrade
[06:18] <gilos123> yesterday
[06:19] <mikedep333> hold on
[06:19] <mikedep333> go to preferences, startup applications
[06:19] <mikedep333> is network manager selected?
[06:20] <tehbaut> is it normal to get a cli instead of a gui after installing from a live environment?
[06:20] <tehbaut> (after restarting)
[06:20] <mikedep333> tehbaut, no
[06:21] <gilos123> nope, not there in startup.
[06:21] <tehbaut> hmmm
[06:21] <mikedep333> tehbaut, try updating your SYSTEM
[06:21] <mikedep333> *system
[06:21] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get update
[06:21] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:22] <mikedep333> gilos123, is network-manager-gnome installed?
[06:23] <tehbaut> on my grub list, it's showing up as 'Ubuntu, Linux 2.6.31-11-generic'
[06:23] <tehbaut> is that normal?
[06:23] <tehbaut> the other entries say 8.10 (for my 8.10 install)
[06:23] <tehbaut> "ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.27-11-generic"
[06:23] <gilos123> no it wasn't installed.  just added it.. and it wants a reboot.. I will try that.
[06:24] <mikedep333> gilos123, great
[06:24] <gilos123> be back in a couple of minutes
[06:24] <mikedep333> tehbaut, just update your packages
[06:24] <mikedep333> do you know how to do that?
[06:24] <tehbaut> you mean on the 8.10 install? nah I want to keep them separate
[06:25] <mikedep333> I mean on your karmic install
[06:25] <tehbaut> oh
[06:25] <tehbaut> I'm wondering why this would happen though
[06:25] <mikedep333> it's called beta for a reason
[06:25] <mikedep333> lots of daily bugs appear and then are fixed
[06:25] <mikedep333> by updating
[06:26] <mikedep333> updating to the latest daily packages
[06:26] <tehbaut> heh, well... I could submit a report I guess
[06:26] <mikedep333> tehbaut, you cannot submit a report unless you are using the latest packages
[06:26] <mikedep333> updating is essential
[06:26] <tehbaut> right
[06:26] <tehbaut> ok, so how do I update my packages
[06:26] <mikedep333> login
[06:26] <mikedep333> tehbaut, you login
[06:26] <mikedep333> then run the commands
[06:26] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get update
[06:27] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:27] <tehbaut> oh, both?
[06:27] <mikedep333> with a wired ethernet connection of course
[06:27] <mikedep333> yes
[06:27] <mikedep333> update looks for software, upgrade performs the upgrade/update
[06:29] <tehbaut> where is the cli output logged?
[06:29] <tehbaut> or is it?
[06:30] <koidzy> @tehbout standard output?
[06:30] <mikedep333> tehbaut, any important system information is sent to the usual logs
[06:31] <mikedep333> tehbaut, you do not need to log every single console output from your update and upgrade
[06:32] <tehbaut> right, but I like to review changes from time to time
[06:32] <mikedep333> tehbaut, this is INCREDIBLY routine
[06:33] <mikedep333> upgrading packages is something I do several times a day
[06:33] <tehbaut> duly noted
[06:35] <gilos123> mikedep333: nope, no luck, I'm doing another apt-get update and upgrade.. it did find 85 packages.. so will update and see what they find.
[06:36] <mikedep333> gilos123, you have network-manager-gnome installed, did you make sure it is in startup applications?
[06:36] <gilos123> well it's up top in the menu bar now.. didn't check startup packages.. will do that.
[06:36] <tgpraveen> !info eclipse
[06:37] <mikedep333> gilos123, you see network manager in the top menu bar? great, try to connect to the wireless network
[06:37] <mikedep333> using it
[06:38] <gilos123> mikedep333: says wireless not managed
[06:38] <tehbaut> mikedep333: do you ever run into issues after updating packages?
[06:38] <zenlunatic> nn
[06:38] <zenlunatic> sorry
[06:39] <mikedep333> tehbaut, this is beta. any new package can introduce a bug, but it is very likely that your bug will be fixed. Also, the overall stability of the system will be improved.
[06:40] <tehbaut> so you aren't running 9.04 at all then? I guess I thought you meant you updated regardless of stable or pre-release
[06:40] <mikedep333> gilos123, http://www.prash-babu.com/2009/05/how-to-fix-ubuntu-network-manager-error.html
[06:43] <mikedep333> tehbaut, if you are running a stable version like Jaunty, you always update. There is no harm in updating 99.9% of the time
[06:43] <tehbaut> ok
[06:43] <mikedep333> if you are running a beta version like Karmic, you update unless you know of a bug that is present in updated packages. The system will become more stable overall, and you need to do so to report bugs.
[06:43] <tehbaut> now I'm getting a message about grub, asking if I want to keep my locally modified version or installed the package maintainer's version
[06:44] <mikedep333> tehbaut, install the package maintainer's version
[06:44] <mikedep333> tehbaut, why are you running the beta might I ask? the usual reasons are that you want to report bugs (like I do) or you are an application developer
[06:44] <mikedep333> tehbaut, the stable release of Jaunty is intended for the average user, Karmic beta is not
[06:45] <tehbaut> understood
[06:46] <tehbaut> I'm a developer and general power user, so I want to make sure what I do works, and if not then to report issues... but this is my first time using a pre-release
[06:48] <mikedep333> tehbaut, ok, I see
[06:49] <tehbaut> ok, I'm back at the command line... reboot?
[06:49] <mikedep333> yes
[06:49] <mikedep333> (if it were graphical, it would tell you to reboot)
[06:49] <mikedep333> run: sudo shutdown -r now
[06:50] <tehbaut> did sudo reboot
[06:50] <mikedep333> ok, cool
[06:51] <tehbaut> ok, I'm back at the command line login
[06:51] <kklimonda> does anyone use mplayer with nvidia card?
[06:51] <mikedep333> tehbaut, do you know what graphics card you have?
[06:51] <kklimonda> I have a problem with default vo changed to vdpau
[06:51] <gilos123> mikedep333: Thanks for the help.. that fixed the problem.
[06:51] <mikedep333> gilos123, my pleasure
[06:52] <tehbaut> mikedep333: nvidia 8600 gx or something like that
[06:52] <mikedep333> an 8000 series?
[06:52] <tehbaut> yes
[06:52] <mikedep333> tehbaut, what version of ubuntu did you install? regular ubuntu-desktop?
[06:53] <tehbaut> now that you mention it, maybe I didn't... I hastily grabbed the top x64 torrent... is there a command to check which one it is?
[06:54] <mikedep333> tehbaut: we can switch to ubuntu-desktop in case you didn't install it with an easy command
[06:54] <mikedep333> run: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:55] <tehbaut> well, like I said, the live environment was working fine with GUI et al
[06:55] <mikedep333> oh, ok
[06:55] <mikedep333> tehbaut, try running the command: sudo restart gdm
[06:56] <tehbaut> ok, yes it was desktop-
[06:57] <tehbaut> restart: Unknown instance
[06:57] <tehbaut> I did the install via System > Preferences > Install Ubuntu
[06:58] <tehbaut> I did use xfs on the install partition, does that make a difference?
[06:58] <sfhsdg> when will the i.MX51 ARM netbook be available?
[06:58] <voidmage> that's weird, nautilus is associating my avi files as plaintext
[06:58] <sfhsdg> anyone know?
[06:58] <voidmage> so it tries to open them in gedit
[06:58] <tehbaut> wait, maybe I used ext4
[06:58] <tehbaut> can't remember now, heh
[06:58] <voidmage> actually all my video files
[06:58] <sfhsdg> suppose to be available 3Q 2009, which is now
[06:58] <mikedep333> tehbaut, that shouldn't make a difference
[06:59] <tehbaut> ok
[06:59] <mikedep333> although ext4 or ext3 is preferred
[06:59] <mikedep333> I'm trying to figuring what they mean by unknown instance
[06:59] <mikedep333> run the command: pidof gdm
[06:59] <mikedep333> wait
[07:00] <tehbaut> nothing... I don't think gdm is running
[07:00] <voidmage> oh, #444962
[07:00] <tehbaut> running sudo ps -a shows only three processes running
[07:00] <mikedep333> tehbaut: run ps -A | grep gdm
[07:01] <mikedep333> tehbaut, you need -A
[07:01] <tehbaut> ah
[07:01] <mikedep333> you should see gdm-binary
[07:01] <mikedep333> and possibly others
[07:01] <tehbaut> yep, nothing
[07:01] <mikedep333> you know what
[07:01] <mikedep333> try: start gdm
[07:02] <mikedep333> or rather
[07:02] <mikedep333> sudo start gdm
[07:02] <tehbaut> ok
[07:02] <tehbaut> tons of screen flickering now
[07:03] <tehbaut> still at the cli though
[07:03] <mikedep333> try startx
[07:03] <mikedep333> run: startx
[07:03] <sfhsdg> why isn't this available yet http://www.design-reuse.com/news/19802/i-mx515-processor-arm-cortex.html ?
[07:04] <tehbaut> fatal server error, no screens found
[07:04] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, I heard that with the poor economy they're waiting
[07:04] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, I heard they are also waiting for the flash player with hardware video acceleration
[07:04] <sfhsdg> till christmas or after?
[07:04] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, I'm not sure
[07:04] <mikedep333> hopefully christmas
[07:04] <sfhsdg> Cause im split on whether to buy a atom netbook now or wait
[07:05] <mikedep333> tehbaut, try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[07:05] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, I know, it's a hard decision
[07:05] <sfhsdg> so unknown if they are in production yet.....
[07:06] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, yeah
[07:06] <tehbaut> mikedep333: done
[07:06] <mikedep333> you can do a google news search
[07:06] <mikedep333> tehbaut, now try startx
[07:06] <tehbaut> same error, no screens found
[07:07] <mikedep333> tehbaut, we'll try to install the official nvidia driver from the command line
[07:07] <tehbaut> ok
[07:07] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[07:07] <mikedep333> then run: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[07:07] <mikedep333> then run: startx
[07:08] <tehbaut> I think 185 was the one recommended when I was prompted by the live environment gui
[07:09] <tehbaut> what are the differences though?
[07:10] <mikedep333> hmm, you're right. Install nvidia-glx-185.
[07:12] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, those netbooks with the arm processor are called smartbooks now
[07:12] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, http://www.youtube.com/user/ARMflix
[07:12] <tehbaut> I'm surprised the install doesn't use a generic vga/vesa driver by default (as I assume the live environment did)
[07:13] <mikedep333> tehbaut, I am betting that it is attempting to use the open source nvidia driver "nv", wich is rather incomplete
[07:13] <tehbaut> ok, rerunning startx
[07:13] <mikedep333> and for some reason it doesn't like your hardware
[07:13] <tehbaut> heh, well I'm in
[07:13] <mikedep333> ok, there you go
[07:14] <mikedep333> you should be fine on next reboot
[07:14] <mikedep333> gdm should work
[07:14] <tehbaut> ok
[07:14] <mikedep333> you should look into filing a bug report with package nv though
[07:14] <tehbaut> ok
[07:14] <tehbaut> one more thing... I'm trying to get my monitor rotated right
[07:14] <mikedep333> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting
[07:15] <mikedep333> tehbaut, install nvidia-settings
[07:15] <tehbaut> k
[07:15] <mikedep333> that should handle rotation
[07:15] <tehbaut> will that replace System > Prefs > Display?
[07:16] <tehbaut> right now, trying to access Display prefs gives me a message that the driver doesn't support the necessary extensions to use it
[07:16] <mikedep333> tehbaut, yeah
[07:16] <mikedep333> tehbaut, it should prompt you to use nvidia-settings if you have it installed
[07:16] <tehbaut> use the graphic driver vendor's tool instead?
[07:16] <mikedep333> yeah, that is nvidia-settings
[07:16] <tehbaut> ok, there it is
[07:17] <sfhsdg> i dont want cell phone service and contracts however
[07:17] <mikedep333> if you know how to file a bug report, while your computer is on now, attach all the /var/log/Xorg* files
[07:17] <mikedep333> where * is whatever
[07:18] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, neither do i
[07:18] <mikedep333> sfhsdg, the freescale mx arm chips do not have mobile broadband built in. The qualcomm ones do
[07:20] <sfhsdg> ahh
[07:21] <domo> hey - if i use the beta of ubuntu.. the day its released, can i upgrade without having to re-install?
[07:21] <domo> upgrade meaning to the "stable" version
[07:23] <sfhsdg> yes
[07:23] <sfhsdg> you just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:23] <tehbaut> it seems nvidia left out the rotate option in the nvidia settings
[07:24] <domo> so it wont be considered you're using beta thanks for playing, please install the stable of 9.10? haha
[07:24] <sfhsdg> tehbaut, thats nvidia's problem
[07:24] <tehbaut> well I heard I could rotate via: xrandr --options --rotate right
[07:25] <tehbaut> but I don't have the syntax correct or something
[07:25] <tehbaut> also tried --rotate=right and --rotate="right"
[07:25] <kklimonda> tehbaut: I'm not sure if nvidia driver supports it
[07:29] <gilos123> did they get all the audio issues fixed in 9.10?  I remember when I first started using jaunty I had a nightmare of a time trying to get the intel audio to work.
[07:37] <NoelJB> gilos123, some people have reported issues, but it works perfectly well for me (unlike jaunty).
[07:38] <intok>  Is there a way to increase the storage space used by the 9.10 beta live cd? I've got over 100Gb of space free on the HDD, but playing around in the live Cd it tells me I've only got 23Mb left and all I've done was install a few basic apps
[07:39] <gilos123> i'm not sure if it's the new harddrive that I threw in my laptop (7200rpm) or the 9.10 ubuntu, but it seems really snappy.
[07:39] <sfhsdg> http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1326986&highlight=
[07:39] <sfhsdg> "Because of an order from the United States International Trade Commission, BGA-packaged product lines and part numbers indicated here currently are not available from Freescale for import or sale in the United States prior to September 2010: i.MX515, MC13982"
[07:41] <intok> gilos123 depends, what hdd did you have before? A faster hdd will always be a speed difference as it's the slowest link in the chain unless loading from a CD or DVD
[07:42] <NoelJB> gilos123, I do ~100GB worth of backups every day.  I can boot to Jaunty or Karmic and run the same backup.  Same hardware.  Karmic is running almost 50% faster than Jaunty for the same thing.  Roughly 30GB/s for Jaunty and 45GB-50GB/s for Karmic.  Repeatedly.  *same system*
[07:43] <NoelJB> Sorry, make the MB/s :-)
[07:43] <NoelJB> I *wish* GB/s.  LOL
[07:43] <sfhsdg> i would guess due to 2.6.31 kernel
[07:44] <intok> NoelJB GB/s? got some FusionIO cards I see lol
[07:44] <NoelJB> sfhsdg, and some changes there, because karmic wasn't always that much faster.  But I've definitely noticed it, and ran multiple tests today to verify the observation.
[07:46] <NoelJB> FWIW, that figure is the separate read/write figure for independent SATA drives, disk-to-disk copy.  So double the figure to get the total.
[07:47] <NoelJB> intok, you've heard of token ring?  I have tachyon ring.  data gets there before it exists.
[07:48] <sfhsdg> http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
[07:49] <sfhsdg> part. 1.3. Improve desktop interactivity under memory pressure
[07:56] <ActionParsnip> sfhsdg: use a lighter DE to reduce normal memory pressure
[07:57] <tehbaut> how do I setup numlock to always start? seems that's the norm for past versions
[07:57] <sfhsdg> *particularly 1.3 of the url
[07:57] <sfhsdg> http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
[07:57] <sfhsdg> about 2.6.31
[07:58] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: set it as On in BIOS is normal
[07:59] <kblin> morning folks
[08:00] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: I have no option in my bios
[08:01] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: suprisingly: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[08:01] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: has a guide
[08:01] <tehbaut> heh, ok thanks
[08:02] <wastrel> is there a guide for fixing url parsig in gnome terminal
[08:03] <gilos123> sorry, got a phone call.. I had a 320gb 5400rpm drive installed in my laptop and upgraded to a 500gb 7200rpm.  Both of them had ext4 installed.
[08:04] <wastrel> wait ext4
[08:04] <wastrel> is that in koala
[08:04] <wastrel> mine is ext3
[08:04] <tehbaut> I'm getting an error on boot up saying something about 'could not update ICE authority file
[08:05] <KruyKaze> i got a quick question i have a script to burn a cd how do add an extra command  "eject -T" after it's done?
[08:05] <gilos123> it does ext4 by default unless you upgraded.
[08:05] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: are you the owner of your ~/.ICEauthority
[08:06] <IndyGunFreak> has anyone figured out why empathy doesn't have sound?
[08:07] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: I don't even see an .ICEauthority file
[08:07] <tehbaut> oh, wait... it's hidden
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: ls -la ~/.ICEauthority
[08:07] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: root is owner
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: of your users file?
[08:08] <tehbaut> of ~/.ICEauthority
[08:08] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: and what is the output of: whoami
[08:08] <tehbaut> scott
[08:09] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: thats why then you have bad ownership
[08:09] <tehbaut> do I need to chown scott.scott?
[08:09] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: run: sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.ICEauthority
[08:09] <tehbaut> and why would it have changed all of a sudden?
[08:10] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: you can use $USER to mean the username which is spat out when you run whoami, makes scripting easier ;)
[08:10] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: do you run gui apps with sudo? sudo nautilus   etc?
[08:10] <tehbaut> nope
[08:10] <ActionParsnip> hmmm
[08:10] <wastrel> gksudo
[08:11] <tehbaut> but I did have an issue on first startup, where gdm didn't start until I installed nvidia drivers
[08:11] <ActionParsnip> that sort of thing can cause issues, otherwise I'm not sure. I'd check yo are the owner of everything in your home directory
[08:11] <tehbaut> then it started as root
[08:13] <tehbaut> I need to get this display into portrait mode :/
[08:13] <KruyKaze> can anyone tell me what mistake i made here http://pastebin.org/39544 ?
[08:16] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: you didnt specify anything to burn
[08:17] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: http://linux.die.net/man/1/growisofs
[08:18] <KruyKaze> $1 for the image i'm burning
[08:18] <tehbaut> is there anything that can be done to rotate my monitor? I've tried all the methods I've found via google so far, but without any luck
[08:18] <KruyKaze> the first line works fine if there's now eject line
[08:18] <tehbaut> and rotation /is/ supported on my gpu card
[08:18] <KruyKaze> ActionParsnip, the first line was tested alone and works fine
[08:18] <tehbaut> I was running it in portrait mode in vista
[08:19] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: i'd remove the = sign then
[08:19] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: screen rotation is set in nvidia-settings
[08:19] <tehbaut> and other ubuntu users claim to have gotten it working (though in older versions) with the same card
[08:19] <KruyKaze> oh i'll try that
[08:19] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: yeah I'm not finding any options for it in the nvidia settings dialog box
[08:19] <KruyKaze> ActionParsnip, do i put space?
[08:20] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: worth a try, look at the exmples in the link i gave
[08:20] <KruyKaze> ok thanks :)
[08:21] <tehbaut> ActionParsnip: someone else got it working by adding 'Option "RandRRotate" "true" ' to their xorg.conf
[08:22] <tehbaut> but that seems to have added the rotate option to the Display prefs, which no longer open for me (because of the installed nvidia driver)
[08:23] <tehbaut> there is nothing in the manpage for nvidia-settings mentioning rotation either :/
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148177
[08:26] <KruyKaze> ActionParsnip, still just ejects :(
[08:26] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: so you want to basically burn an ISO from CLI?
[08:27] <KruyKaze> yes and when done eject
[08:27] <KruyKaze> the burning it self works flawlessly
[08:27] <KruyKaze> when i add eject -T it just ejects
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: try:     cdrecord -v -pad speed=1 dev=0,0,0 $1
[08:27] <ActionParsnip> KruyKaze: http://sharkysoft.com/tutorials/linuxtips/cdcommands/
[08:28] <KruyKaze> can't it has to break layer
[08:28] <KruyKaze> it's a dual layer disk
[08:29]  * tehbaut buys ActionParsnip a beer
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> tehbaut: :D
[08:30] <tehbaut> Option "Rotate" "CW" did the trick (even w/ the nvidia driver, since nv drivers weren't loading gdm for me)
[08:30] <tehbaut> woohoo :)
[08:32] <tehbaut> it feels odd using the mouse non-vertically now, heh
[08:39] <Guest34155> Hello, I am currently having a problem with flash browsers playing the sound to videos on youtube. I have flash installed and am running kubuntu 9.10 using firefox 3.5 to view the video
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> Guest34155: is your Ubuntu 64bit or 32it?
[08:45] <Guest34155> 32
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> Guest34155: have you tried uninstalling all flash plugins, check for open alternatives
[08:46] <Guest34155> eck ok
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> Guest34155: dpkg -l | grep gnash     and   dpkg -l | grep swf     and dpkg -l | grep flashplugin
[08:46] <Guest34155> hoping there was some boxs i didnt install
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> Guest34155: uninstall all the plugins, then just install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:46] <Guest34155> or didnt check
[08:46] <Guest34155> or somehting
[08:47] <Guest34155> cheers ActionParsnip
[08:48] <tehbaut> I'm trying to get synergy working... but the client machine isn't picking up the ubuntu machine (nor is it listing it in network machines, on win7)
[08:48] <tehbaut> is that an issue?
[08:49] <tehbaut> shouldn't ubuntu show up on the network?
[08:52] <kblin> what is "network machines" doing in win7?
[08:52] <tgpraveen> tehbaut: umm am a noob but is samba not required for this?
[08:53] <tehbaut> nope
[08:53] <kblin> tgpraveen: if "network machines" is what network neighbourhood used to be. if it's something else, who knows?
[08:53] <kblin> perhaps it's using mDNS or something equally silly
[08:53] <albech> wow.. this new version simply looks amazing. you have outdone yourself again everyone
[08:53] <tehbaut> oh, you mean networking
[08:54]  * kblin is still dist-upgrading
[08:54] <kblin> hopefully kde4 finally unbroke
[08:56] <thumper> I have a question about usb support on my new laptop
[08:56] <thumper> mass storage devices aren't being loaded properly
[08:57] <thumper> nor is the webcam
[08:57] <thumper> I'm not sure what to do to file a good bug :)
[08:57] <kblin> tehbaut: well, can you at least ping the synergy server? I seem to remember having a fun time with firewalls on vista. wouldn't be surprised if that also applies for win7
[08:58] <tehbaut> kblin: the client machine is win7 and yes it worked fine connecting to vista machine (though this is the first time I'm trying with ubu)
[08:58] <tehbaut> that QuickSynergy app is quite wonky
[08:58]  * kblin shrugs
[08:59] <kblin> it's been years since I last used synergy, I forgot how it worked :)
[08:59] <bullgard4> Synaptic shows no additional information for the packages linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic and <IP_ADDRESS>-generic. What is the reason?
[09:03] <tehbaut> kblin: I copied my vista synergy config file.. seems to at least work locally, so yeah.. it's not picking up the win machine... or vice versa
[09:03] <bullgard4> thumper: "aren't being loaded properly" is no exact description. You better do not use Karmic at this moment if you have so little knowledge about Ubuntu. Install Ubuntu 9.04. It is more stable.
[09:04] <thumper> bullgard4: if I had a choice I probably would
[09:04] <bullgard4> thumper: You certainly have.
[09:04] <thumper> bullgard4: no, I don't, I have to use karmic, so says the boss
[09:04] <thumper> :)
[09:04] <bullgard4> Ah!
[09:05] <thumper> I'd like to submit a useful bug report
[09:05] <thumper> looking at /var/log/messages I can see that the usb drive is identified
[09:05] <thumper> but it seems to get stuck somewhere
[09:05] <Berzerker> what's this program I see everyone on ubuntu running where it shows stats on the right and left side of the screen, kind of like DesktopX?
[09:05] <bullgard4> thumper: Then become proactive and learn about "mass storage" an "web cam" in Ubuntu.
[09:06] <bullgard4> s/an/and/
[09:08] <kblin> so, any good reason to use ext4 or grub2? :)
[09:08] <bullgard4> Berzerker: Try to find out with the help of http://images.google.com/ and catchwords "ubuntu" and "DesktopX".
[09:08] <stimpy1> thumper: dont know if dmesg shows the same messages as in /var/log/messages. but give it a try, maybe you will get mor informations why it isnt working?
[09:08] <RAOF> kblin: ext4: faster.  grub2: actually being developed.
[09:09] <kblin> RAOF: but worth a reinstall?
[09:09] <thumper> stimpy1: ok, I'll take a look
[09:09] <stimpy1> thumber: also have a look at man page for lsusb command :)
[09:10] <RAOF> kblin: No, probably not.  But if you want to help test you can just install grub2 without reinstalling.
[09:11] <bullgard4> kblin: No, not at this moment. Unless you are adventurous and you may fall on your face.
[09:11] <kblin> RAOF: I'll first check if 9.10 is working for me or if I need to revert to 8.04 anyway