[11:06] <jtreglos> liquiddoom: //alexandrie/projects /mnt/alexandrie smbfs rw,credentials=/etc/samba/pw 0 0
[11:06] <AMDfanboy> hey guys, just something i miss from my good ole KDE days.... i have a folder with a bunch of zip files.... i want to extract them all into folders with the names of the files .... that is make these folders and then extract thier respective zips into them.... in ark, this was an option, but i dont think i can do it in gnome outside of scritping it myself?
[11:06] <Daylighter> is there any way I can spoof a website so it thinks I'm on windows and not *nix? I have a website I need to access that will let me in w/ firefox, but not ubuntu
[11:06] <jtreglos> magnetron: ok thx :)
[11:07] <liquiddoom> jtreglos: I put my SMB mount at the end of fstab
[11:07] <lauriexxx> PurpZEY: yes it was all working ok, did a few updates, caus some of the directories we're broke, and i kept on getting a message about cluster breaks, but now, i can't open even in gnome failsafe
[11:07] <wols_> Corvinis-V: that is not dd the command. maybe the command ended already :(
[11:07] <jrib> Daylighter: easiest way, get the useragent extension for firefox
[11:07] <jtreglos> liquiddoom: yeah that's also what i did
[11:07] <PurpZeY> AMDfanboy: I'd have to think that there was a command in term.
[11:07] <liquiddoom> Daylighter: firefox useragent plugin
[11:07] <Tb0n3> woops
[11:07] <Corvinis-V> it's still in the top screen
[11:07] <AMDfanboy> really?
[11:07] <Tb0n3> umm, mbmon says it's 53C
[11:07] <Tb0n3> bios says it's 70
[11:08] <jander99> AMDfanboy, apt-get ark?
[11:08] <AMDfanboy> i doubt it?  in unzip or unrar?
[11:08] <Corvinis-V> @ 50% cpu-ish... and so is klogd.....
[11:08] <liquiddoom> jtreglos: Hmm... not sure. ack, my server is calling. Gotta run
[11:08] <Corvinis-V> wols_ should I reboot and see if that helps ? or won't that help
[11:08] <Gnea> maynards-girl: umount /media/cdrom1 && mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/dvd1 dvd://   (whatever cdrom1 is linked to)
[11:08] <jtreglos> ok thx anyway
[11:08] <AMDfanboy> i use ubnutu with gnome, would it be a big deal do download ark?
[11:08] <Tb0n3> and the temp started at 61 now it'sdown to 52
[11:08] <liquiddoom> AMDfanboy: No problem at all
[11:08] <lauriexxx> PurpZEY: i ve tried reinstalling gome, but to no avail..snif
[11:08] <siloko> hi dudes - any vmware guru's online?
[11:08] <AMDfanboy> actually ark is buggy too!  it does it but often screws up the unrar, like doesnt fully extract all the files
[11:08] <liquiddoom> AMDfanboy: It might want some KDE deps, but it'll work fine
[11:08] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: Ok, so, you had it working...installed beryl and then nothing?
[11:08] <AMDfanboy> kind of bad because i'
[11:09] <jander99> AMDfanboy, one of the joys of linux, applications aren't tied to desktop managers
[11:09] <Tb0n3> how fast could I get it before it blows up do you think?
[11:09] <PurpZeY> !ask | siloko
[11:09] <ubotu> siloko: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:09] <bleepbloop> Jowi: I would like a resolution bigger than 1024x768 which is the only option available. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23960/ Thanks!
[11:09] <Scunizi> Elfboy, the vsftp site has some good info.  If you're behind a firewall you may also have issues with your ISP.  Lots of ISP's block server ports 80 & 20/21 because they don't want you running servers.. Fortunatly you can change the ports.
[11:09] <infidel> i need some help,.. i can't get gnome to run correctly. first i get a bonobo error and the after it kicks me out i get and xsession error saying a windows manager is already running
[11:09] <AMDfanboy> m grading, and if the file isnt extracted i mistakenly give hte person a 0!
[11:09] <lauriexxx> PurpZEY: yes, and i have removed beryl and emerald
[11:09] <akromyk> how can I find where a program i just installed is located on my computer?? it didn't create a link in the menu.
[11:09] <phi1> evening all,
[11:09] <siloko> my vmware xp virtual machine doesn't appeat to be using my onboard ram
[11:09] <akromyk> bye
[11:09] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: Can you get to recovery console?
[11:09] <fbarcenas> how do you make ubuntu redetect your hardware?
[11:09] <Scunizi> akromyk, what program?
[11:09] <lauriexxx> PurpZEY: yes,only failsafe terminal on boot
[11:10] <siloko> it's continually swapping even though ram usage is down as 20 per cent
[11:10] <akromyk> Scunizi, kismet
[11:10] <phi1> i need a hanbd with
[11:10] <maynards-girl> gnea, how can i tell what cdrom1 is linked to?
[11:10] <phi1> sorry
[11:10] <wols_> akromyk: dpkg -L <packagename> |grep bin
[11:10] <Gnea> maynards-girl: grep cdrom1 /etc/fstab
[11:10] <phi1> i need a hand with the ubuntu live cd and a windows xp sp2 install
[11:10] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: And what is the error when trying to boot into gnome?
[11:10] <Scunizi> akromyk, you could type "locate kismet" in a terminal.. That should do it.
[11:10] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: Also, how did you remove beryl?
[11:10] <yeniklasor> How can I extract *.psa files?
[11:10] <wols_> phi1: to do what?
[11:10] <phi1> anyone wanna give us a hand>
[11:10] <sergioll> hello
[11:11] <sergioll> does someone here use a QNAP NAS?
[11:11] <Jowi> bleepbloop, can you give me "uname -a" please and a pastebin of "sudo 915resolution -l"
[11:11] <liquiddoom> !dualboot | phi1
[11:11] <ubotu> phi1: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[11:11] <lauriexxx> PurpZEY: well there is no error, i just log on, and the screen is blank, and when i ctrl alt backspace, i can see my desktop before restarting...
[11:11] <phi1> well i messed up my xp partition with partition magic so i wiped my hdd and tried to re install xp but it failed............many times
[11:11] <akromyk> thanks
[11:11] <IowaDave> AMDfanboy: be sure to back up that data file before doing things that put student data at risk!
[11:11] <lauriexxx> phil: try dban
[11:11] <Scunizi> akromyk, did that work for you?
[11:11] <phi1> so ive now got ubuntu live cd running and im trying to find a way to install xp with ubuntu
[11:12] <phi1> the xp cd is copied and used dr dos as a startup os and it just will not let me install xp at all
[11:12] <fbarcenas> how do you make ubuntu redetect your hardware? Anyone?
[11:12] <Tb0n3> phwew calculating pi brought my proc to 75C
[11:12] <phi1> oh and i cant write to my hd with ubuntu
[11:12] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: I think there is a way to get an x-log, during a start up, getting that might be a place to start...I mean, this is sort of beyond my scope, but I'd recommend getting some sort of log, to figure out what is going on...Also you might find more help in #beryl, since beryl caused the issue.
[11:12] <Gnea> phi1: follow the URLs you were just given, you'll probably have to make another partition and set that up in ubuntu, then reboot the xp cd in order to get that going.
[11:13] <phi1> ive tried making new partitions under ubuntu but xp doesnt recognise them and just stops and i have to reboot
[11:13] <Semper> how do i run .exe files in ubuntu 7.04
[11:13] <g8tr> Is there a reason I can't seem to get any file completion to work in a terminal on files starting with ( symbol?
[11:13] <PurpZeY> Semper: Wine
[11:13] <phi1> i think it has a lot to do with dr dos and the fact i cant write to my hd
[11:13] <lauriexxx> PurpZey, is there no easier way to go back on what i have done? or reinstall the x erver completely?
[11:13] <liquiddoom> Semper: Use wine
[11:13] <Semper> games and etc..
[11:13] <akromyk> does kismet have a gui or is it all in command-line?
[11:14] <Semper> i am using wine
[11:14] <Semper> but it says it cannot find
[11:14] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: Is it a fresh install of ubuntu?
[11:14] <bleepbloop> Jowi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23963/ I have appended part of my xorg log as well.
[11:14] <maynards-girl> gnea, when I type that get "/dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0" so I type "umount /media/cdrom1 && mplayer -cdrom-device /dev/hdb dvd://" but it's doesn't work.  It says "umount: /media/cdrom1 is not mounted (according to mtab)"
[11:14] <Semper> does it have to be on the linux partition or does it matter?
[11:14] <akromyk> Scunizi, i think it worked now i just have to figure out how to run it
[11:14] <lauriexxx> PurpZey: it was, with a whole load of goodies, plus the usual dilema of photos.
[11:15] <yeniklasor> Semper : type wine "C\anything.exe
[11:15] <fbarcenas> OK, from the silence I should assume that there is no way to make ubuntu scan for hardware changes.
[11:15] <TaJMoX> akromyk kismet has gui
[11:15] <Gnea> maynards-girl: that's odd - okay, re-mount it and try the mplayer command again
[11:15] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: Either way, if it is, you could just install ubuntu again, fresh...otherwise, I imagine, and I might be wrong, and somebody can correct me, you should be able to remove ubuntu-desktop and apt-get it again. Someone will need to verify that though?
[11:15] <hammedhaaret> hi.  im on skype with a friend... and suddenly ubuntu wont play any other sound than skype... songbird, youtube, nothing.. anybody got a clue?!?
[11:15] <yeniklasor> wine "C:\any.exe"
[11:15] <TaJMoX> akromyk its text based gui
[11:15] <Semper> @yeniklasor: i did but it couldnt find
[11:15] <lauriexxx> PurpZey: i would like to avoid having to do a fresh instll
[11:15] <yeniklasor> what did you type?
[11:16] <akromyk> I keep on getting the following message when I try to run kismet:  Please configure at least one packet source.  Kismet will not function if no packet sources are defined in kismet.conf or on the command line.  Please read the README for more information about configuring Kismet.
[11:16] <kbrooks> I need a good link to a easy backup tool.
[11:16] <phi1> (bigdos) ands i have no idea what bigdos is
[11:16] <lauriexxx> HELP AGAIN: any body know if you can remove ubuntu desktop, and then apt-get it again?
[11:16] <Semper> wine "media/sda2/documents and settings/HP_administrator/desktop/games/visualboyadvance.exe"
[11:16] <reya276> hello, can anyone help to install some fonts, or is there a tool I can install that would work like the way you install fonts on windows
[11:16] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: I think trying to reinstall ubuntu-desktop might work...You can do it via the live CD most likely.
[11:17] <phi1> sorry, of topic q, can you install ubuntu from the live cd?
[11:17] <yeniklasor> Semper: No you must begin with C:\...
[11:17] <fbarcenas> lauriexxx,  yes, you can , I just don't remember the syntax at the moment.
[11:17] <maynards-girl> gnea: nothing happens now. I get this error:"Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll"
[11:17] <Semper> i tried that also
[11:17] <Semper> didnt work
[11:17] <PurpZeY> phil: Yes, that's the way to do it.
[11:17] <anathematic> how do i see waht processors are running on my ubuntu server?
[11:17] <lauriexxx> PurpZey: i can acces the failsafe terminal, so reckon i kll take a shot
[11:17] <[Rolamoto] > can somebody help me? Compiz isn't working on my PowerPC box. It was automaticly downloaded when I upgraded to 7.04
[11:17] <bleepbloop> anathematic: cat /proc/cpuinfo should work
[11:17] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: Yeah, but I imagine you want to know the name of the package first.
[11:17] <kbrooks> phil: that q is not off topic
[11:17] <phi1> ok, how can i install ubuntu from the live cd? theres not an option in the startup menu
[11:17] <PurpZeY> phil: run to the desktop, then click the install button.
[11:18] <phi1> and i've not seen anuthing on the net for it
[11:18] <Gnea> !codecs | maynards-girl
[11:18] <ubotu> maynards-girl: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:18] <hammedhaaret> hi.  im on skype with a friend... and suddenly ubuntu wont play any other sound than skype... songbird, youtube, nothing.. anybody got a clue?!?
[11:18] <Gnea> maynards-girl: check those pages, sounds like the avisynth.dll may be out of date
[11:18] <yeniklasor> Semper: Go your home and press ctrl+H (it will show hidden files too) Then click ".wine" You can find your file
[11:18] <reya276> Installing fonts help anyone
[11:18] <lauriexxx> hammedhaaret: are you using alsa mixer?
[11:18] <etherclear> phil: there should be an icon on the desktop, click it
[11:18] <PurpZeY> reya276: What do you need to know?
[11:19] <[Rolamoto] > all that shows up is a white screen and the cursor
[11:19] <Jowi> bleepbloop, thanks. you should be able to use 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 (assuming your monitor support those resolutions). If your monitor support the 1200x1050 resolution that you have in xorg.conf you need to set up 915resolution to handle that res. What type of monitor do you have (CRT or LCD) and what is the monitors native resolution?
[11:19] <magnetron> hammedhaaret: that is skype's fault. skype messes up the sound system
[11:19] <kitche> hammedhaaret: think skype uses oss
[11:19] <reya276> well I need to know how to install fonts
[11:19] <hammedhaaret> lauriexxx: yes i am
[11:19] <Jowi> s/1200x1050/1400/1050
[11:19] <Gnea> maynards-girl: mplayer's website also has all of the standard codecs for download in a single zip file
[11:19] <hammedhaaret> magnetron: ok.,.. anyway to fux it?
[11:19] <hammedhaaret> fix*
[11:19] <reya276> is there a tool that can help me do this other than command line
[11:19] <Journeyman> I can't seem to get a cgi to run on my webserver
[11:19] <kitche> hammedhaaret: oss only allows one program to use sound i say load up the alsa-oss module
[11:19] <Journeyman> the browser tries to download the file
[11:19] <kbrooks> um
[11:19] <kbrooks> I need a good link to a easy backup tool.
[11:20] <Journeyman> I have it in the proper directory (cgi-bin)
[11:20] <magnetron> hammedhaaret: what kitche said
[11:20] <lauriexxx> hammedhaaret: i had this problem witha toshiba laptop, you need to get the latest alsa mixer
[11:20] <kbrooks> really totally 100% easy
[11:20] <phi1> i so love running ubuntu form cd, its soooooooo fast.......where is the install button?
[11:20] <Semper> so it has to be in the c: folder?
[11:20] <Journeyman> the mod is enabled
[11:20] <Semper> it cant be on another partition?
[11:20] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: The package for ubuntu desktop...is just ubuntu-desktop
[11:20] <akromyk> is there any irc chat that anyone knows of where I can get more advanced help on Kismet?
[11:20] <magnetron> phi1: on the desktop
[11:20] <yeniklasor> phi1: didn't you see it :)
[11:20] <[Rolamoto] > compiz isn't working on my PowerPC install of Ubuntu 7.04
[11:20] <phi1> on the desktop i just have a cd rom icon and the taskbar at the top
[11:21] <lauriexxx> PurpZey:do you think i can sudo apt-get remove, and then just install after?
[11:21] <PurpZeY> phi1: I believe it is the cd-rom button.
[11:21] <lauriexxx> PurpZey: i m right next to it, command line ready to go
[11:21] <phi1> oooh ok, hang on a sec, i'll find out
[11:21] <webchick> hey, folks. what's the proper place to report some grammatical errors on the trademark policy?
[11:21] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: I don't really see how that could hurt. I mean, it's not going to mess up any of your data. Worst case, it doesn't work.
[11:21] <kitche> [Rolamoto] : hmm well 7.04 on PPC is community supported now so not sure if anyone here can help you with it I can't sicne I never used ppc
[11:21] <lauriexxx> PurpZey: here goes
[11:21] <maynards-girl> gnea, trying the Ubuntu restricted extras package one
[11:21] <kbrooks> can i please ask a question...
[11:21] <sp3llcast3r> I people.. i'm having trouble trying to play .rmvb files... I tried various players but none works correctly... can anyone help me?
[11:22] <kitche> !ask | kbrooks
[11:22] <JiBEsH> Hi, I want to change my ttyX graphic resolution but I don't find anything on wiki, how can I do this please ?
[11:22] <ubotu> kbrooks: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:22] <kitche> sp3llcast3r: what is rmvb stand for?
[11:22] <jarda_> jfhf
[11:22] <sp3llcast3r> real player media... with embebed subtitles
[11:22] <PurpZeY> kitche: As I recall I think it's Real format. Or something of that nature. . .
[11:22] <mthead>  /say Semper: you might try mangling the Windows long filenames ("Documents and Settings" becomes "docume~1", I believe...
[11:22] <Corvinis-V> wols_ I just rebooted my system but dd and klogd are still up there each eating into 50% cpu power
[11:22] <sp3llcast3r> yep
[11:22] <[Rolamoto] > it still sucks how its downloaded but won't work
[11:22] <kbrooks> I need a good link to a simple backup tool.
[11:23] <kitche> sp3llcast3r: try helix-player
[11:23] <Jowi> bleepbloop, the log say "Not using mode "1280x1024" (no mode of this name)" if you want, I can help you create that mode to put in xorg.conf. but to do that it is good to know what values your monitor support.
[11:23] <sp3llcast3r> kitche, i'll try.. it's on the add/remove list?
[11:23] <Semper> mtheah: hmm maybe
[11:23] <kitche> PurpZeY: yeah figured but wanted ot make sure haven't used realplayer lately
[11:23] <drekon> kbrooks: http://sbackup.sourceforge.net
[11:23] <jander99> kbrooks: apt-get install simplebackup ? :-P
[11:23] <SillyZ> grettings, just got 7.04 installed in text mode, now how to get the ATI up and going ?
[11:23] <kitche> sp3llcast3r: you might have to use synaptic
[11:23] <sp3llcast3r> tks kitche , brb, i'll try
[11:23] <kitche> JiBEsH: you mean the console resolution?
[11:24] <JiBEsH> kitche: yes
[11:24] <PurpZeY> !ATI | SillyZ
[11:24] <ubotu> SillyZ: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:24] <akromyk> sorry for asking so many questions
[11:24] <bleepbloop> Jowi: I'm currently on a HP TC4200 Tablet PC. According to this website (http://www.zdnet.com.au/reviews/hardware/laptops/soa/Convertible-capability-Five-tablet-PCs-tested/0,2000065761,139217760-8,00.htm) the native resolution is actually 1024x 768. Does that mean I can't go beyond that?
[11:24] <akromyk> thanks for the help guys. bye
[11:24] <lauriexxx> PurpZey: i m getting a whole load of errors, i m wondering if that might be the problem, dpkg and clvmd cluster managemnet...booo
[11:24] <user_> SillyZ; im about to tell u something awesome about 7.04, its gonna aotodetect ur ATI :D
[11:24] <robert98374> hello everyone!
[11:24] <SillyZ> oh?
[11:25] <sp3llcast3r> latelly after i install something i get this message... "E: runit: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1"
[11:25] <sp3llcast3r> anyone knows what is it about?
[11:25] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: On the remove or the get
[11:25] <robert98374> Is it easy to network Ubuntu with Winxp?
[11:25] <[Rolamoto] > is anybody using the powerpc version of 7.04?
[11:25] <wols_> Corvinis-V: until you tell me the parameters of that dd command: no help
[11:25] <kitche> JiBEsH: vga= have to add that to the kernel boot paraments after hte equals is the resolution you want what resolution do you want?
[11:25] <SillyZ> user_  can you join #sillyz with me ?
[11:25] <liquiddoom> [Rolamoto] : There is no powerpc version, is there?
[11:25] <maynards-girl> Gnea, I added that package but I still get the same error
[11:25] <wols_> Corvinis-V: and also check your kernel log. maybe it spits out messages like mad
[11:25] <Jowi> bleepbloop, yes, you assume correct. an LCD screen native resolution is its maximal one. 1024x768 is what you get on this device it seems.
[11:25] <PurpZeY> robert98374: Samba should generally do it, not sure how easy it is.
[11:26] <liquiddoom> [Rolamoto] : I thought powerpc support was dropped in 6.10
[11:26] <Semper> whats mfc42.dll?
[11:26] <Semper> O.o
[11:26] <jander99> windows library
[11:26] <kitche> JiBEsH: you could just have vga=ask so it asks you each time until you figure out the resolution number
[11:26] <Semper> says its required to run
[11:26] <[Rolamoto] > yeah there is, its community supported though
[11:26] <JiBEsH> kitche: ok thanks, so I add vga=1280x800 in grub ?
[11:26] <Semper> the game
[11:26] <lauriexxx> PurpZey: on the remove, and get, it did it when i tried removing beryl, i got simalar messages
[11:26] <jander99> google for the file and put it in the game directory Semper
[11:26] <Gnea> maynards-girl: does it happen with any DVD or only with that particular one?
[11:26] <mthead> Semper: Microsoft Foundation Classes v. 4.2
[11:26] <jander99> at least, that works in windows lol
[11:26] <Semper> jander99: ok thankyou
[11:27] <w4ett> SillyZ,  sudo dpkg etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:27] <jander99> hopefully wine accepts DLLs in the application path
[11:27] <Corvinis-V> wols_ ok i'll check kernel log, what's the command for it ?
[11:27] <mthead> Semper: it should be in your \windows\system32 folder, if not you can download it from various repositories
[11:28] <wols_> dmesg
[11:28] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: I'm not going to lie to you, this is start to be beyond my scope. . .But, what kind of errors?
[11:28] <Jowi> bleepbloop, cool device btw
[11:28] <lauriexxx> w4ett: what is that dpkg thing?
[11:28] <kiersie> i have uploaded an dvd case cover for 7.04 hdo you like it?  http://art.ubuntu.com/main.php?g2_itemId=9655
[11:29] <w4ett> lauriexxx,  to reset xorg.conf
[11:29] <lauriexxx> Purzey: i think my friend has broken his apt lists
[11:29] <Semper> mthead: what if its a umm emulater how would i be able to open game within the emulater
[11:29] <Corvinis-V> wols_ APIC error on CPU0: 08(08) it keeps spitting that msg
[11:29] <lauriexxx> w4ett: were you following my discussion?
[11:29] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: Try running the command w4ett just told Sillyz to run.
[11:29] <maynards-girl> Gnea, yeah! it works with a different dvd
[11:30] <bleepbloop> Jowi: Thanks : ) That makes me really bummed that I'm stuck with this resolution though. : ( I was sure that on XP I went past 1024 though.
[11:30] <mthead> Semper -  Sorry, UMM?  Don't know it...
[11:30] <Gnea> maynards-girl: probably a bad dvd then
[11:30] <spasticteapot> Anyone here know how to get Ubuntu to dual-boot with DeLi linux?
[11:30] <spasticteapot> It's driving me nuts.
[11:30] <maynards-girl> gnea, thank you so much for your help and patience
[11:30] <PurpZeY> !dualboot | spasticteapot
[11:30] <ubotu> spasticteapot: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[11:30] <wols_> Corvinis-V: that could be it. start with noapic
[11:30] <Semper> mthead: have u been on windows? an emulater is to play like playstation games on your computer (windows)
[11:31] <wols_> !apic
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:31] <kitche> JiBEsH: you have to use 1024x768 so it would vga=755 you can go to 1024x1028 if you want but my firefox just closed sicne I hit the hotkeys for it so I can't get you the code for the higher resolution
[11:31] <Gnea> maynards-girl: you're welcome, have fun
[11:31] <mthead> SEmper - yes, I mostly work with windows - but the last game emulator I used was MAME ten years ago.  Not much of a gamer.
[11:31] <Corvinis-V> wols_ ok how do i start with that... or did you mean just using it in terminal? the noapic command
[11:31] <jzilla> would i be correct in saying the only different between ubuntu and kubuntu is one uses gnome and one uses kde?
[11:32] <w4ett> sorry tired...what I meant to say was sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xorg
[11:32] <spasticteapot> PurpZeY: I'm trying to boot to a different version of linux. The link you gave me is not helpful for that.
[11:32] <PurpZeY> jzilla: I believe so.
[11:32] <liquiddoom> jzilla: That's really the major difference
[11:32] <kbrooks> hmm, be impresed (tm)
[11:32] <lauriexxx> Purzey: i think my friend has broken his apt lists, do you know how to releod original values?
[11:32] <PurpZeY> spasticteapot: What version?
[11:32] <kbrooks> sbackup is easy and works.
[11:32] <wols_> Corvinis-V: on bootup
[11:32] <spasticteapot> DeLi.
[11:32] <PurpZeY> lauriexxx: How did you break the aptlists using beryl?
[11:32] <Semper> mthead: wow...lol why wont it let me use the "open" option to run files within the program only IT can open
[11:32] <liquiddoom> lauriexxx: Administration > Software Sources  and click Revert
[11:32] <spasticteapot> PurpZeY: Is GRUB not installed?
[11:32] <mthead> Semper - Anyway, if UMM is anything like MAME, then it's UMM that needs to worry about DLLs, and not the actual emulated games.  Get UMM working, and the rest follows.
[11:32] <spasticteapot> By default, at least.
[11:32] <PurpZeY> spasticteapot: I have no idea wha that is.
[11:32] <Corvinis-V> ok press tab or something while booting ?
[11:33] <spasticteapot> It's another version of Linux. It keeps trying to install LILO.
[11:33] <Corvinis-V> to give me the commandlineoption?
[11:33] <BigMac> can I ask a samba question here/
[11:33] <PurpZeY> spasticteapot: Right, but you are in #ubuntu, so, asking about another flavor of linux is somewhat off-topic.
[11:33] <w4ett> lauriexxx, sorry what I meant to say was: sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xorg
[11:33] <spasticteapot> PurpZeY :Yes, but I'm trying to dual-boot it with UBUNTU.
[11:33] <sebas_> I've found something like a bug, even if I need superuser privileges to read a file, I can still read the beginning of it by looking at the text thumbnail in nautilus
[11:34] <lauriexxx>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xorg, i ve tried this, but says x server is not installed, oh shit?
[11:34] <Semper> mthead: when i click open the terminal runs a debug on it and then exits
[11:34] <spasticteapot> Which is not recognizing the second bootable partition.
[11:34] <kbrooks> spasticteapot, yes, but it is offtopic.
[11:34] <PurpZeY> spasticteapot: Using grub or lilo?
[11:34] <mthead> Semper - UMM is going to need permission to open files from wherever you've put them - I'm guessing you're running into a rights problem
[11:34] <lauriexxx> w4ett: sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xorg, i ve tried this, but says x server is not installed, oh shit?
[11:34] <LjL> !language
[11:34] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:34] <lauriexxx> sorry
[11:34] <jander99> xserver-xorg
[11:34] <spasticteapot> PurpZeY: I'm not sure which one is installed with Ubuntu. I thought it was GRUB; I may be wrong.
[11:34] <Jowi> bleepbloop, I'm checking some other pages just to make sure. all of the specs I see for this thing is 12.1 inch LCD XGA (1024x768). bummer
[11:34] <lauriexxx> ok  very sorry
[11:34] <Semper> mthead: is there any way to be able to "fix" that problem?
[11:34] <krishke> xcfsdaasd
[11:35] <PurpZeY> spasticteapot: Yeah, grub is with ubuntu.
[11:35] <LjL> lauriexxx: try xserver-xorg, since x-server-xorg does not exist
[11:35] <LjL> !xconfig > lauriexxx    (lauriexxx, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:35] <krishke> can anybody help me?
[11:35] <mthead> Semper - first of all, where are the game files located?
[11:35] <PurpZeY> !ask
[11:35] <LjL> !helpme | krishke
[11:35] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:35] <ubotu> krishke: please see above
[11:35] <Semper> mthead: the same file as the emulator
[11:35] <goldeneagle> a question ? what is the best program IRC for ubuntu thanks
[11:36] <LjL> !best > goldeneagle    (goldeneagle, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:36] <SillyZ> ubotu ATI Drivers
[11:36] <PurpZeY> goldeneagle: It's all opinion.
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ati drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <LjL> !irc > goldeneagle    (goldeneagle, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:36] <krishke> kk :-) i have LICQ but i cant add my ICQ profile to it
[11:36] <LjL> !ati > SillyZ    (SillyZ, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:36] <g8tr> goldeneagle: I couldn't find any I liked, so I wine mIRC
[11:37] <SillyZ> thanks
[11:37] <lauriexxx> LjL, I have removed ubuntu desktop, and  now i can't seem to download it back
[11:37] <LjL> kitche: s/^!([^ ] +) > ([^ ] +)/!%1 > %2    (%2, see the private message from Ubotu)/
[11:37] <cinvoke_> Question....Can someone help me install enlightenment?  Last time i tried, i could get it to boot right.
[11:37] <Corvinis-V> wols_ when during boot can I insert the noapic command and how ?
[11:37] <pikeshouse88> !ati
[11:37] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:37] <LjL> lauriexxx: what error do you get?
[11:37] <Corvinis-V> or anyone... how do I start with an extra argument without using the cd ?
[11:37] <wols_> Corvinis-V: in grub or by editing menu lst
[11:38] <kitche> LjL: oo I m just bad at regexpr in general can't do it in Java very well
[11:38] <Corvinis-V> ok i'm in the grub command line now
[11:38] <PurpZeY> kitche: Feel better, I don't even know what regexpr is.
[11:38] <LjL> PurpZeY: the stuff you put in grep
[11:38] <cinvoke_> Does anyone know anything about freetype?
[11:38] <PurpZeY> !anyone
[11:38] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:38] <krishke> can i hide all groups on GAIM?
[11:39] <liquiddoom> krishke: Collapse them or hide them?
[11:39] <astomper> When do I put the password for Evolution?
[11:39] <krishke> i want to have only two groups on GAIM...one with online people and one with offline people like on ICQ...Can anybody tell me, how can I do it?
[11:39] <bleepbloop> jowi: thanks for checking that out for me. i might just have to get a secondary lcd monitor in the future because 1024 is killing me : ) have a great night/day
[11:39] <Gnea> astomper: when it asks for it
[11:40] <cinvoke_> how do i install enlightenment?
[11:40] <Gnea> cinvoke_: apt-get install enlightenment
[11:40] <Andeh> Can I mount BIN/CUE files as disk drives using K3B? If not, how can i do this?
[11:40] <Andeh> CD drives i mean
[11:40] <webchick> I figured it out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+bug/118566
[11:40] <dojo> Hello, can someone help I have just installed ati drivers but when i execute the  aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:40] <dojo> i get an error which is
[11:40] <dojo> Warning: Could not find configuration file
[11:40] <dojo> Please copy configuration file template to /etc/X11
[11:40] <webchick> thanks folks.
[11:40] <SillyZ> ubotu - that url is a bad url.... ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto    its 404
[11:40] <astomper> I don't remember ever putting one in Gnea
[11:41] <Andeh> SillyZ: Ubotu is a robot...
[11:41] <Gnea> SillyZ: ubotu is a bot
[11:41] <LjL> Andeh: you can convert them to ISO, and then loopback mount the ISO. i think there is also some FUSE filesystem around for mounting several types of CD images
[11:41] <HUJ> HELLO
[11:41] <SillyZ> ya i know but its still a bad url
[11:41] <cinvoke_> gnea: if my desktop does start after that, what should i do to recover?
[11:41] <Gnea> Andeh: no, it's a bot not a robot. robots have physical bodies.
[11:41] <Jowi> night bleepbloop
[11:41] <LjL> !info bchunk > Andeh
[11:41] <LjL> !mountiso > Andeh    (Andeh, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:41] <Andeh> Gnea: Yay.
[11:41] <SillyZ> !ati > sillyz
[11:41] <user_> guys, witch distros use Beryl as default gui?
[11:41] <PriceChild> Silencer, it has a "help." infront of it
[11:41] <Andeh> !mountiso > Andeh
[11:41] <Daylighter> sabayon
[11:41] <jrib> SillyZ: it's not, you need the full url
[11:41] <Gnea> cinvoke_: ask in #e
[11:41] <sp3llcast3r> how do i install new codecs? everytime i try via apt-get it doesnt work.. if I want to had codec for some play how should I do that'
[11:41] <Daylighter> user_, sabayon, I think
[11:41] <lauriexxx> LjL, I have reconfigured xorg, and even now it still does not work, do you know of a way i could save my friends home directory, ive got loads of storage media
[11:42] <Andeh> k thanks
[11:42] <jrib> sp3llcast3r: what version of ubuntu?
[11:42] <LjL> sp3llcast3r, you probably don't have the relevant repositories (universe and multiverse) enabled. enable them first
[11:42] <sp3llcast3r> last one
[11:42] <LjL> !codecs > sp3llcast3r    (sp3llcast3r, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:42] <lauriexxx> LjL, I think ill go witha fresh install
[11:42] <Corvinis-V> wols_ I'm in the grub loader and accessed the "e" option to enter extra start options.... should i add the noapic behind the kernel argument or just open a new line ?
[11:42] <liquiddoom> lauriexxx: Copy it over to your media.
[11:42] <LjL> !away > arooni_is_away    (arooni_is_away, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:42] <dojo> when i use command  aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:42] <dojo> i get an error which is Warning: Could not find configuration file
[11:42] <dojo> Please copy configuration file template to /etc/X11
[11:42] <dojo> but xorg.conf is present can anyone help
[11:42] <jrib> sp3llcast3r: you should be able to just double click on files in the nautilus (the file explorer)
[11:42] <liquiddoom> lauriexxx: A simple way to do it would be cp -a /home/username /media/drive/
[11:42] <lauriexxx> LjL, have you any tuto's on thast i ve never done it before
[11:42] <user_> Daylighter: only sabayon? what about Uberyl?:) and i also think ive seen PCLinuxOS to? any other,
[11:42] <wols_> Corvinis-V: yes as a kernel arg
[11:43] <Daylighter> user_, I dont really research distros as much as I should
[11:43] <LjL> lauriexxx: what liquiddoom said will work
[11:43] <lauriexxx> liquiddoom: thx
[11:43] <LjL> !enter | dojo
[11:43] <ubotu> dojo: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:43] <ajax4> !restricted
[11:43] <dojo> sorrey
[11:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:43] <user_> Daylighter: kk
[11:44] <Daylighter> user_, I've found ubuntu to be what I need for now, I will branch out when I cant get what I want with what I have :)
[11:44] <AMDfanboy> hey guys, i think i'm really dumb, but i've spend an hour trying to figure out the command unrar
[11:44] <Corvinis-V> wols_ i used irqpoll once and now it's in the kernel argument... should i remove that ?
[11:44] <AMDfanboy> i want to unrar an archive in one directory to another directory
[11:44] <ajax4> AMDfanboy: Have you tried a frontend like file-roller?
[11:44] <AMDfanboy> simple, can't do it.
[11:44] <AMDfanboy> whats that?
[11:45] <Jowi> AMDfanboy, "unrar x filename.rar"
[11:45] <AMDfanboy> whats that x?  extract all with full path
[11:45] <ajax4> AMDfanboy: Its a graphical tool that will let you select the folder you want to unrar into.
[11:45] <AMDfanboy> ?
[11:45] <benplaut> i'm looking for a decent cheap (<$30) soundcard for my parents to compliment their new speakers... suggestions?  Looking for no hassle, of course :P
[11:45] <AMDfanboy> what does that mean?
[11:46] <LjL> !rar > AMDfanboy    (AMDfanboy, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:46] <Jowi> AMDfanboy, if it is a multi-file archive (.rar, r01, r02 etc) you need the non-free version of unrar
[11:46] <mr_daniel> AMDfanboy: open a console and type 'man unrar' in it
[11:46] <mr_daniel> AMDfanboy: you will then see a list of all options and a good explanation
[11:46] <dojo> whwew is the xorg.conf file sroted in ubuntu 7.04?
[11:46] <Jowi> AMDfanboy, it means that it unpacks the files and create directories if needed.
[11:47] <LjL> dojo: /etc/X11
[11:47] <mr_daniel> AMDfanboy: the x option is 'extract files with full path'
[11:47] <user_> Daylighter: sure agre, with my pc atm Ubuntu is no question the best, even im thinking about putting ubuntu on mac mini that i want to buy :) but i doubt im gonna do it, cuz i expect osx to be ok. but i defenately gonna put ubuntu on some test mashine that im planning to get, some old crappy 486 or something ^^
[11:47] <LjL> dojo: you'd normally avoid editing it manually unless you really have to, and use dpkg-reconfigure instead
[11:47] <LjL> !xconfig > dojo    (dojo, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:47] <wols_> Corvinis-V: that could be areason why it'sdoing what it does
[11:47] <avalon> Is there a way I can PERMANENTLY delete a file? Every time I try deleting a file from my harddrive, it moves it to a hidden folder called trash.root or trash.1 and I can't delete it
[11:47] <ajax4> avalon: Are you using the Nautilus file manager?
[11:47] <LjL> avalon: the "rm" command from the terminal will do the trick.
[11:48] <AMDfanboy> ajax4: i want to do it in mass, there are a bunch of them... in kde it let me select a bunch of rar and zip files and it would make folders named after teh files and extract each file to its respective folder... couldnt do that in gnome so i tried to script it... i know, i tried downloading ark, but ark doesnt give you that power, it was in the kde menu's that the script to do that was ... and it was actually really buggy.
[11:48] <Jowi> avalon, usually shift-del
[11:48] <liquiddoom> benplaut: My card is a $25 Sound blaster Live! 24-bit
[11:48] <ajax4> AMDfanboy: I use a program called file-roller, it should let you do similar things as you did in KDE.
[11:48] <mr_daniel> avalon: if you delete a file with nautilus or on the desktop, then it will be first moved to the trash
[11:48] <liquiddoom> benplaut: Works great, and has 5.1 support
[11:48] <Corvinis-V> wols_ I started with noapic and cpu is normal again :)
[11:48] <dojo> LjL: strange though I cant seem to find it in /etc/X11/
[11:49] <LjL> !find xorg.conf | dojo
[11:49] <Daylighter> user_, if you're doing that, you might want to try something lighter, xubuntu, or something even less, on a 486 :P
[11:49] <Corvinis-V> wols_ but i'll toss out that irqpoll command just to be sure
[11:49] <mr_daniel> avalon: to delete a file completely you need to open the trash and then delte the file also there
[11:49] <ubotu> dojo: File xorg.conf found in xresprobe
[11:49] <benplaut> ok
[11:49] <user_> Daylighter: or if its gonna be something like 486, debian itsself would be good i guess :)
[11:49] <LjL> dojo: meh, nevermind xresprobe...
[11:49] <mr_daniel> avalon: you can find the trash under /home/<your name>/.Trash
[11:49] <ajax4> avalon: If you are using Nautilus you have to change the settings which will let you delete files without sending them to the trash.
[11:49] <mr_daniel> avalon: the '.' at the beginning of the file marks the file as a hidden file
[11:49] <dojo> LjL: k thx ill try
[11:50] <astomper> How do I change my password in evolution?
[11:50] <Daylighter> user_, I had a 486 and I was able to get online, I used Peanut Linux, you could also use Knoppix
[11:50] <LjL> dojo: just reconfigure xserver-xorg, it should be created if for some reason it doesn't exist
[11:50] <user_> Daylighter: when i get one, ill defenately see, i guess its gonna be something like DSL orzo :)
[11:51] <mr_daniel> astomper: which password you mean. Your login-password to ubuntu?
[11:51] <sp3llcast3r> damn it..
[11:51] <dojo> LjL: how can i reconfigure it
[11:51] <sp3llcast3r> about players and rmvb files :(
[11:51] <AMDfanboy> ok, i was using file-roller, it certainly doesnt have that feature
[11:51] <jander99> !bug
[11:51] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[11:51] <astomper> Unable to connect to POP server pop.gmail.com.
[11:51] <astomper> Error sending password: -ERR [AUTH]  Username and password not accepted.
[11:51] <astomper> Please enter the POP password for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on host pop.gmail.com
[11:51] <sp3llcast3r> followed several tutorials, etc.. and nothing
[11:51] <jander99> !bug #96906
[11:51] <astomper> mr_daniel^%^^
[11:52] <Jowi> dojo, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[11:52] <LjL> !xconfig | dojo, by checking your private messages for starters...
[11:52] <ubotu> dojo, by checking your private messages for starters...: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[11:52] <ajax4> AMDfanboy: What feature doesn't it have?
[11:53] <Daylighter> user_, http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/03/via-epia-px10000-pico-itx-motherboard-gets-reviewed/ would be an experiment in ubuntu, wouldnt it?
[11:53] <mr_daniel> astomper: for the future please use noPasteservice like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:54] <astomper> mr_daniel: instead of pasting in the irc?
[11:54] <mr_daniel> astomper: yes
[11:54] <AMDfanboy> i'm grading assignments, and i have 100, rars and zips.... in kde, i'd select all, right click them and it would have a feature that creates folders named after the files and then extracts each archive in its respective folder
[11:54] <astomper> mr_daniel: ok, I won't
[11:54] <AMDfanboy> i need to do this 20 times, so doing it one by one is not practical.
[11:54] <mr_daniel> astomper: this this also very useful for a large config-file or a error-report
[11:55] <premier_> Hi, my Windows key is set incorrectly.  How can I set it?  (its set to "nosymbol")
[11:55] <mr_daniel> astomper: e
[11:55] <mr_daniel> astomper: Edit>Configuration/Preferences
[11:55] <ajax4> AMDfanboy: Ahh, okay...lemme see what I can find.
[11:55] <dojo> how can i find out my keboard modol i think its a pc102
[11:55] <AMDfanboy> so i think i'm going to scritp it, but i cant figure out to use unrar... believe me i looked at hte man page a bunch of times, i just dont get it.
[11:55] <AMDfanboy> thanks!
[11:55] <Jowi> AMDfanboy, use wildcards
[11:56] <mariocesar_bo> hi all, i was messing around whit permissions, and change the permisions of /var
[11:56] <AMDfanboy> how so?
[11:56] <mr_daniel> astomper: there you will find a submenu for 'e-mail accounts'
[11:56] <astomper> mr_daniel: ok
[11:56] <g8tr> unrar x filename.rar
[11:56] <AMDfanboy> why x?
[11:56] <mariocesar_bo> how can in change it back, to default?
[11:56] <LjL> mariocesar_bo: you can't.
[11:56] <Jowi> AMDfanboy, put all the rars in wine dir. then "unrar x *"
[11:56] <mariocesar_bo> LjL: i can't?
[11:56] <Jowi> AMDfanboy, not "wine" I meant "one"
[11:56] <Jowi> lol
[11:56] <mariocesar_bo> LjL: i can do sudo, anymore
[11:56] <AMDfanboy> ha!
[11:56] <mariocesar_bo> LjL: sorry, i can't
[11:57] <LjL> mariocesar_bo: no, since the default isn't stored anywhere, and files in /var normally don't belong to packages.
[11:57] <AMDfanboy> i am whinging, i'm about to cry right now (more like scream ;-)
[11:57] <mr_daniel> mariocesar_bo: what you have done with the /var folder?
[11:57] <LjL> mariocesar_bo: even if you could use sudo, you couldn't restore the default permissions correctly.
[11:57] <mariocesar_bo> yea, but what is are the correct permissions
[11:57] <mr_daniel> mariocesar_bo: please paste a output of 'ls -l /' under http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[11:57] <Jowi> AMDfanboy, you need to use "unrar x ..." that's just the way the command work
[11:57] <LjL> mariocesar_bo: they differ widely from file to file.
[11:57] <mariocesar_bo> ok
[11:58] <AMDfanboy> dont think it works, because unrar x extracts them all to the dircetory where i run the script not where i put teh file... unless theres a way to change that in the script?
[11:58] <LjL> mariocesar_bo: i suggest you reinstall and be much more careful with root privileges next time. if you want to try and avoid reinstalling, reboot into recovery mode and  chown -R root:root /var/
[11:58] <FFighter> hello folks
[11:58] <Central> Hello all
[11:58] <mariocesar_bo> here it's http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23983/
[11:58] <bruenig> !howdy | FFighter Central
[11:58] <ubotu> FFighter Central: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[11:59] <Central> thanks
[11:59] <FFighter> I'm confused... I'm setting up my ruby/rails dev. enviroment on Feisty. I've already installed Ruby 1.8... should I instal rails through ruby's gems or synaptic ?
[11:59] <bruenig> !thanks | Central
[11:59] <ubotu> Central: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[11:59] <octoberdan> How does one set a dns suffix for a vpn connection?
[11:59] <Jowi> AMDfanboy, then that is the way that the rar archive was packaged.
[11:59] <Central> you are?
[11:59] <octoberdan> I'm using networkmanager-pptp
[11:59] <user_> Daylighter: i have to say wow, if i c something like this, my fantasy tells me the days when average pc's gonna be the size of mac mini arent so far away :)
[11:59] <fxfitz> ls
[11:59] <fxfitz> Eep.
[12:00] <FFighter> are there any differences ?
[12:00] <Central> can I ask a question maybe?
[12:00] <ajax4> AMDfanboy: Does each zip contain a folder with a unique name that holds all the files?
[12:00] <mr_daniel> mariocesar_bo: your settings for /var differ just a little bit of my: drwxr-xr-x  16 root root  4096 2006-12-03 13:19 var
[12:00] <bruenig> FFighter, apt-get is the best way likely
[12:00] <mariocesar_bo> yep
[12:00] <qman> FFighter, the rule with apt-get and synaptic is, if you can, you should
[12:00] <FFighter> bruening: Is the version on ubuntu repository updated or is it an old version ?
[12:00] <mariocesar_bo> what, can i do ?
[12:01] <FFighter> qman, hmmm... thanks for the tip


[12:43] <mdke> Plug_: are you the chap who posted the mailing list recently?
[12:45] <Burgwork> mdke, on my todo list, but I have been at work all day
[12:45] <mdke> Burgwork: no prob, I'm going to reply now, work is but a distant memory
[12:54] <mdke> Burgwork: by the way, your idea yesterday for automatic talk pages: it might be possible to do it with the PageComment2 macro. It is basically a comment box which the reader can enter a comment into, and we might be able to make it use a talk page by default
[12:55] <LaserJock> oh, cool
[12:56] <mdke> it basically creates a forum effect
[12:57] <Burgwork> mdke, that works
[01:11] <mdke> what do people think of giving up with the /forum section on the wiki, it's not really working. WikiTeam/Issues seems to propose getting rid of it. We can work productively with forum contributors without it, I think
[01:17] <Burgwork> mdke, I like it
[01:17] <Burgwork> the idea, not the /forum section
[01:18] <mdke> I'm making a DocumentationTemplate too
[01:23] <mdke> there are some cool macros we can use
[01:26] <LaserJock> mdke: at least somebody's excited ;-)
[01:26] <mdke> LaserJock: you need a holiday
[01:26] <crimsun_> no, he needs more work =]
[01:26] <mdke> LaserJock: I've heard Paris is nice this time of year
[01:27] <LaserJock> mdke: dude, I have to write specs, no play time for me
[01:27] <LaserJock> btw, I added a doc spec today
[01:27] <mdke> that will get you excited, no?
[01:28] <mdke> what spec?
[01:28] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/scripting-for-users-doc
[01:28] <LaserJock> but I haven't written the wiki part yet
[01:29] <LaserJock> heck, I've got half written forum posts, specs in progress, most of a package
[01:30] <LaserJock> and I'm trying to discuss work with my undergrad
[01:30] <LaserJock> Paris is starting to sound nice :-)
[01:30] <mdke> ffs, ctrl click doesn't work properly in launchpad
[01:30] <Burgwork> mdke, does for me
[01:31] <mdke> Burgwork: go to the list of specs, and ctrl click one which is down the page
[01:31] <mdke> Burgwork: it is impossible to click the right one because the page jumps around while you click
[01:31] <Burgwork> works for me
[01:32] <Burgwork> oh how I wish I was going to Paris
[01:32] <LaserJock> why?
[01:32] <Burgwork> because it will be cool
[01:32] <mdke> Burgwork: ah, it only happens when I have the Find box open
[01:33] <Burgwork> ah, ancient version of epiphany here
[01:33] <Burgwork> so no find bar
[01:34] <mdke> (and I am clicking on something which is highlighted as the result of a search)
[01:34] <LaserJock> yeah, I noticed the find + click was weird
[01:35] <mdke> maybe it's an epiphany bug
[01:35] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yeah, I should be cool. I'm starting to get nervous. It has been so painless to setup I keep thinking something's going to go wrong
[01:35] <LaserJock> s/i?it/
[01:36] <LaserJock> man I can't type
[05:26] <Burgundavia> Seveas: got your msg. Sorry, I was removing the aptitude instructions. I have reworked to do both of our changes (different packages and removal of specific installation method)
[05:53] <Burgundavia> anybody know who Warbo is?
[06:13] <nixternal> have no clue Burgundavia
[06:13] <Burgundavia> nixternal: whomever he is, he likes to write a great deal
[06:14] <nixternal> however:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrinocoMonitorKismet2005Hoary    has been completed...and I think it needs a name change and have that hoary one redirect
[06:14] <nixternal> where is he writing?
[06:14] <nixternal> is it good?
[06:14] <Burgundavia> just too wordy
[06:14] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:15] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:15] <nixternal> proposed name change for that:  OrinocoWiFiKismet
[06:15] <Burgundavia> what about under WifiDocs?
[06:15] <nixternal> it can go there
[06:15] <Burgundavia>  /OrinocoKismet
[06:15] <nixternal> WifiDocs/OrinocoKismet
[06:15] <nixternal> good deal
[06:15] <nixternal> done...
[06:15] <nixternal> redirect the old page i shall
[06:15] <Burgundavia> can anybody confirm that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MappingWindowsKey no longer seems to work?
[06:16] <Burgundavia> this needs a better solution: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageCDs
[06:19] <nixternal> i will look into that..because i want to remap mine...as of right now it doesn't do anything
[06:20] <Burgundavia> thanks
[06:21] <Burgundavia> I am getting wierd results
[06:23] <Burgundavia> nixternal: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/control-center/+bug/12153
[06:23] <Ubug2> Malone bug 12153 in control-center "Cannot use Windows key in keyboard shortcuts" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]
[06:24] <nixternal> roger that
[06:24] <Burgundavia> now lets watch the artwork team try and organize a meeting!
[06:25] <nixternal> haha
[06:25] <Burgundavia> who needs soap operas when you have the artwork team?
[06:25] <klepas> Burgundavia: i just contacted cvd about it :)
[06:25] <klepas> Burgundavia: lollers
[06:25] <klepas> a meeting should be happening within the next week or so
[06:26] <nixternal> Burgundavia: that bug starts out with the fact the guy just upgraded TO Hoary...how can i confirm that one? breezy is the oldest here
[06:26] <klepas> actually... you folks are invited too
[06:26] <jsgotangco> cvd? will the sabdfl attend that?
[06:26] <klepas> yes
[06:26] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I just tested breezy
[06:26] <jsgotangco> ah that's why
[06:26] <klepas> he's going to 'chair' it
[06:26] <nixternal> i can test dapper/kubuntu
[06:26] <klepas> make sure things stay on track :)
[06:27] <jsgotangco> too bad cvd isnt going to paris...heard she's 7 months on the way
[06:27] <klepas> anyhow... you guys are quite welcome... would be nice to talk to some marvelous people from a working, organised team :)
[06:27] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: you serious?
[06:28] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: that is going to make Mark's life fun
[06:28] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: yes she told me about it a few weeks ago in a phone conversation
[06:28] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: you get to have phone conversations with them?
[06:28] <jsgotangco> that's why clan is the one organising stuff at the moment
[06:29] <Burgundavia> clan?
[06:29] <jsgotangco> well not that frequent, only when there is a need
[06:29] <jsgotangco> claire newman
[06:29] <Burgundavia> ah, the other claire
[06:32] <Burgundavia> is hard at Userful right now. There is a major rethink of how we do things and the victoria office just lost somebody
[06:32] <rob> hmm, I think I might have picked up another error in the packaging guide..
[06:32] <rob> If a Debian package has been changed in Ubuntu, it has ubuntuX (where X is the Ubuntu revision number) appended to the end of the Debian version. So if the Debian hello package was changed by Ubuntu, the version string would be 2.1.1-1ubuntu1. If a package for the application does not exist in Debian, then the Ubuntu version is 0 (e.g., 2.1.1-0ubuntu1).
[06:32] <jsgotangco> send a resume it might work
[06:33] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: ya. I will play at one this weekend
[06:33] <rob> shouldn't the 1 and 0 be the other way around on that last revision example?
[06:33] <Burgundavia> rob: no
[06:33] <Burgundavia> because if there is no debian version, we want debian -1 to overwrite any Ubuntu numbers
[06:34] <rob> ok, that doesn't read very well then
[06:34] <Burgundavia> no, it doesn't
[06:35] <jsgotangco> oohh germany won
[06:35] <rob> jsgotangco, yeah
[06:35] <Burgundavia> nixternal: if you want my eternal love, can you go around and move all the docs about wireless to under wifi docs
[06:35] <Burgundavia> and poland lost
[06:35] <nixternal> sure can
[06:35] <Burgundavia> nixternal: make certain to check for redirects
[06:36] <Burgundavia> nixternal: PageHits is good place to see if something is popular or not
[06:36] <nixternal> Burgundavia: that window key map i don't believe will work with kde cuz the .xstartup is ignored
[06:36] <nixternal> ok Burgundavia thax
[06:36] <nixternal> thanks
[06:36] <nixternal> ;)
[06:39] <Burgundavia> well, I have killed 3 pages from CatCleanup tonight. How many have you done?
[06:40] <jsgotangco> klepas: surely you are aware that June 17-18 are the days people start coming over to paris with 18 in the evening having dinner
[06:41] <klepas> oh, that does suck
[06:41] <klepas> do you think Thursday/Friday then might be more applicable?
[06:42] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: deal with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageBuilding
[06:42] <jsgotangco> yeah i think thats workable
[06:43] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: we have a wacom tablet at work, how it connects (serial/usb) not sure but i will check when i come back to office
[06:44] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: ok, thanks
[06:44] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: I posted something to artwork
[06:44] <Burgundavia> kill? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual
[06:44] <jsgotangco> would be interesting to see how it works im gimp and krita
[06:45] <klepas> has anyone had any luck with a lower-end wacom using Ubuntu and gimp?
[06:46] <jsgotangco> i havent even tried it but i will next week
[06:54] <Burgundavia> suggestions for a snack? I have a bad case of the munchies
[06:56] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: is it ok to delete pages? how should I deal with stuff that should more or less go away
[06:57] <Laser_away> with packaging stuff, I don't think we need anythin in CatDoc really
[06:57] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: if it has no links, then yes, go ahead
[06:58] <Burgundavia> WikiGuide lists the rules
[06:59] <Laser_away> I hate wiping out other peoples work, but that page for instance has nothing of value on it
[07:00] <Burgundavia> meh, I have no issue
[07:00] <jsgotangco> oh crud i am still in my locale
[07:02] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: do you google the URL to find links?
[07:02] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: yep, the whole url
[07:02] <Burgundavia> then click teh 2nd link "find pages with this link"
[07:03] <LaserJock> ah, ok
[07:03] <LaserJock> thanks
[07:03] <jsgotangco> speaking of google, have anyone tried spreadsheets
[07:05] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:06] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: done
[07:10] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: do we really need a Howto (not very well done) for building KDE from CVS for 5.04?
[07:10] <LaserJock> that was imported from the old wiki :-)
[07:11] <Burgundavia> no, not really
[07:16] <LaserJock> done
[07:19] <Burgundavia> how big is a single layer dvd again?
[07:21] <LaserJock> 4.3 GB perhaps?
[07:21] <LaserJock> HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch is going to be a bugger I think
[07:23] <LaserJock> It's from Hoary and I've pretty much covered the content in the packaging guide
[07:26] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: could I take CatDoc off a page that I plan on using for the PG and then deleting later?
[07:26] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: yes
[07:26] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[07:27] <Madpilot> hi
[07:27] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot
[07:27] <Madpilot> gah... long f'ing day - 9-1 at job #1, 4-8 @ job #2...
[07:28] <LaserJock> yeah, that is long
[07:30] <nixternal> <-- IDIOT
[07:30] <Madpilot> nixternal, ??
[07:31] <nixternal> lol...instead of just renaming a page to move it...i have been doing it the long way
[07:31] <nixternal> copy, paste into a new page and so on
[07:31] <nixternal> so what could have been a 10 minute job has been about an hour
[07:31] <nixternal> ;)
[07:31] <Madpilot> nixternal, the 'long way' is better in some cases, it leaves the old page behind to set a re-direct up on
[07:31] <nixternal> well ya...oh wait...that is what we wanted to do
[07:32] <nixternal> so im not an idiot ;)
[07:32] <nixternal> im still an idiot for thinking like an idiot
[07:32] <nixternal> back to work ;)
[07:37] <jsgotangco> gee its so hot here lately
[07:37] <Madpilot> lucky you
[07:37] <jsgotangco> its 33C!
[07:37] <Madpilot> the weather sucked here most of the day, it only started to clear & warm up around 5 or 6pm
[07:37] <Burgundavia> better in oak bay
[07:37] <Burgundavia> it was sunny at abot 3pm
[07:57] <nixternal> TeamWiFi ??
[07:58] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:58] <nixternal> sounds like a serious wireless gang ;)
[07:59] <Madpilot> we've got a WiFi Team?
[07:59] <nixternal> not that i know of...but since you put it like that...is there even a network team ?
[07:59] <nixternal> ;)
[07:59] <nixternal> lets break down every possible thing with ubuntu
[08:00] <nixternal> i will create a Kwallet team
[08:00] <jsgotangco> what's the focus on that?
[08:00] <jsgotangco> "people who use KWallet"
[08:01] <jsgotangco> ?
[08:01] <nixternal> your guess is as good as mine...but why not create it..seems like the "cool" thing to do :)
[08:01] <jsgotangco> =)
[08:01] <nixternal> this wiki will drink you to drive
[08:01] <nixternal> or drink you to fly in some people's cases ;)
[08:17] <Burgundavia> hmm, CatCleanup is really coming down
[08:17] <nixternal> slowly but surely
[08:22] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/AcerAspire5003WLCiWifi
[08:23] <nixternal> ^^ transfer also?
[08:24] <Madpilot> leave the LaptopTesting stuff where it is
[08:25] <nixternal> then everything with the WifiDocs transfer is over
[08:25] <nixternal> all WiFi stuff is now located under WifiDocs/
[09:10] <dsas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeComputerMenu kill ?
[09:14] <Burgundavia> dsas: pop the trunk!
[09:15] <nixternal> lol
[09:16] <Burgundavia> night
[09:17] <dsas> heh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pop+the+trunk
[09:20] <jsgotangco> ohh yeaahhh
[09:21] <nixternal> haha
[09:21] <nixternal> gahahah
[09:22] <nixternal> dsas: stay away from 2 and 3 ;)
[09:22] <dsas> 2 and 3 were the definitions I were familiar with :/
[09:25] <nixternal> hahahah
[09:30] <dsas> Do I need to get an ack on every CatCleanup page I delete? Or should I just bin them if it's obvious?
[09:39] <Seveas> Burgwork, but keep in mind that apt-get build dep should not be changed. There is no package 'build-dep'...
[09:51] <jsgotangco> apt-get build-dep packagename
[10:44] <mdke> morning
[10:44] <pygi> hey mdke
[10:44] <jsgotangco> morning
[10:45] <pygi> hey jsgotangco
[05:58] <mdke> glatzor: what do you mean?
[05:58] <mdke> (changing channel)
[05:59] <glatzor> you seemed to be annoyed by some of my bug reports that only referred to minor issues.
[06:00] <mdke> glatzor: did I?
[06:00] <mdke> I don't think so
[06:02] <glatzor> mdke: then it's all ok :)
[06:03] <glatzor> mdke: I didn't know how helpful reports about minor issues are for you, since the documentation is frozen
[06:03] <mdke> glatzor: once we've organised our ideas for dapper, we'll go through them.
[06:05] <glatzor> mdke: I have translated and so reviewed further 200 strings and 250 still are missing. But I don't know if I find the time in the next weeks to fill the corresponding bugs.
[06:06] <mdke> glatzor: no worries. You can file them whenever you like in the next 6 months or so. Or you can grab our trunk later and submits some patches to fix any more problems you see
[06:06] <glatzor> mdke: I don't know if I have got the additional time to even provide patches.
[06:07] <mdke> glatzor: ok, no worries
[06:07] <glatzor> mdke: do you know how the translation of the ubuntu guides could be reused for the kubuntu guides?
[06:08] <mdke> glatzor: rosetta shows you suggestions for strings that are already translated elsewhere
[06:08] <glatzor> it is quite discouraging to see a lot of common strings that only differ by the package name and Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[06:08] <glatzor> I don't use Rosetta, instead I translate them locally using gtranslator.
[06:09] <mdke> you could use Rosetta, if you like. Or just upload a po for the Ubuntu guide to Kubuntu, it will merge strings that are the same
[06:16] <glatzor> mdke: I will write an email to the translators list. perhaps somebody found a nice solution.
[06:20] <mgalvin> hey guys
[06:21] <mgalvin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue2 is ready for a quick review if anyone has time
[06:21] <mgalvin> gotta run out for a few min, be back in a hour or so
[06:21] <mgalvin> (thanks in advance)
[06:25] <mgalvin> trappist: ^^^
[10:00] <LaserJock> can I get a wiki expert's opinion of wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScienctists ?
[10:03] <n1c0las> LaserJock: Although I am by no means a wiki expert I think it is an excellent overview
[10:04] <LaserJock> mdke or Burgwork: should ^^ be in CatDoc?
[10:04] <LaserJock> n1c0las: is it too long for one page do you think?
[10:05] <n1c0las> With Image Processing Tools you might include ImageMagick (sp?)
[10:06] <n1c0las> LaserJock:The navigation aid on the top right hand helps a lot in this large page
[10:07] <LaserJock> yeah, I think I'd be totally lost with out the table of contents
[10:07] <LaserJock> Corey!
[10:08] <n1c0las> I don knwo if you did this on purpose but I also miss the tools to create tutorials or courses such as Moodle
[10:08] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:09] <LaserJock> I think it more targeted towards research but that is a good point
[10:09] <n1c0las> In a scientific environment there is much need for this type of courseware
[10:09] <n1c0las> LaserJock: you're welcome
[10:09] <n1c0las> I can see what your point is too, for this page
[10:10] <LaserJock> if we were to break it up into sub pages
[10:12] <n1c0las> Maybe you could break it up and use Categories to pull it all together
[10:13] <Burgundavia> hey LaserJock
[10:14] <LaserJock> I was just looking for you Burgundavia
[10:14] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: and you have found me
[10:14] <LaserJock> I'm looking at wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuScientists
[10:14] <LaserJock> and I wondered if it should be in CatDoc
[10:14] <Burgundavia> and now I am too
[10:17] <n1c0las> LaserJock: the british linux magazine LinuxFormat has a review of several Astronomy packages on Linux. It is in the March 2006 issue.
[10:18] <LaserJock> hmm
[10:18] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: it should be renamed to ScientificApps and renamed, yes
[10:23] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: added to CatDoc?
[10:23] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: yep
[10:24] <LaserJock> do you think it is too long?
[10:26] <Burgundavia> not really
[10:28] <LaserJock> ok
[10:28] <LaserJock> I haven't really worked on it much
[10:28] <LaserJock> but there was a bunch of work done on it yestreday
[10:29] <LaserJock> I'm really pretty impressed with it
[10:35] <n1c0las> LaserJock: it looks quite extensive
[10:48] <apokryphos> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing -> "The Ubuntu team is committed to Free and Open Source Software. The exact details of what that means can lead people into a very long debate indeed, often ending up with both sides in violent agreement."
[10:48] <LaserJock> hi apokryphos ;-)
[10:48] <apokryphos> typo? Violent disagreement?
[10:48] <apokryphos> hello =)
[10:48] <LaserJock> lol
[10:49] <LaserJock> I think that might be a typo
[10:51] <Burgundavia> no, I don't think it is
[10:52] <apokryphos> hardly a common expression, but furthermore doesn't seem quite right from the context
[10:52] <Burgundavia> yes it does
[10:52] <apokryphos> "you can have very long debates that end you up very firmly agreeing"
[10:53] <Burgundavia> no, that is wrong
[10:53] <Burgundavia> long debates often lead to disagreement
[10:53] <apokryphos> exactly
[10:53] <Burgundavia> the current wording is good English
[10:53] <Burgundavia> and conveys the meaning
[10:54] <apokryphos> I never argued the inaccuracy of the English
[10:54] <LaserJock> violent and agreement seem a little oxymoronic
[10:54] <apokryphos> I argued that the writer there probably doesn't mean to say "violent agreement"
[10:54] <apokryphos> Burgundavia: are you sure you know what it says above?
[10:54] <Burgundavia> oh, wait, hmm
[10:54] <crimsun_> it should be violent disagreement.
[10:54] <apokryphos> =)
[10:55] <crimsun_> violent agreement has a different but not opposing connotation
[10:55] <Burgundavia> you are right, I misread that
[10:55] <Burgundavia> I will fix it
[10:55] <Burgundavia> my mind put in disagreement
[10:56] <apokryphos> same with the author of the article, I'm sure 8)
[10:56] <Burgundavia> fixed
[10:56] <crimsun_> LaserJock: they're not. Heated debates can be civil and can "conclude" with all parties concurring.
[10:56] <LaserJock> but violent? that implies non-civil to me
[10:57] <Burgundavia> yes, it can get very non-civil
[10:57] <crimsun_> violent doesn't imply non-civil
[10:57] <Burgundavia> have you ever seen debian debate a license?
[10:57] <LaserJock> yeah, a little bit
[10:57] <apokryphos> depends on context; I wouldn't say it was necessary in the case of debate
[10:57] <Burgundavia> random stupid link --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5067912.stm
[10:57] <crimsun_> martial arts tournaments are violent and civil.
[10:58] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:58] <Burgundavia> yes, but license and freenes debates can quickly sink to non-civil
[10:59] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: lol @ pic
[11:03] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I do think the "Ubuntu is an entirely open source operating system built around the Linux kernel."
[11:03] <Burgundavia> and?
[11:03] <LaserJock> statment is perhaps not accurate
[11:03] <Burgundavia> I don't want to make huge changes to such pages without confirmation
[11:03] <LaserJock> well that is the desktop guide so there really isn't anythin we can do about that right now
[11:04] <LaserJock> but that was the only point that I found very valid
[11:04] <LaserJock> the "All of the application
[11:05] <LaserJock> software installed by default is Free Software." one clearly doesn't include the next sentence
[11:05] <Burgundavia> I have got myself in a nice pickle. I have lost my visa card and my laptop power supply. I am leaving for a trip on Tues and need the power supply. But I can't buy a new one because I have no visa card :(
[11:05] <LaserJock> yikes
[11:09] <Burgundavia> last time I used it was the 11th of may
[11:11] <Burgundavia> so it has not been used for fraud, but still
[11:19] <LaserJock> hmm, I wish I could get MLs as RSS feeds
[11:19] <crimsun_> which MLs?
[11:21] <crimsun_> LaserJock: allow me to {re,}introduce you to gmane. http://gmane.org/rss.php
[11:21] <LaserJock> oh, like debian MLs
[11:23] <LaserJock> man, gmane rocks my socks off!
[11:25] <mpt> LaserJock, why just mailing lists?  Probably be in the technological stone age :-)
[11:38] <crimsun_> LaserJock: the intarweb is a big place. I don't know the half of it.
[11:45] <LaserJock> hi manicka
[11:45] <manicka> hi
[11:58] <LaserJock> hmm, epiphany is bugging me now


[22:36] <devildante> hi everyone :p
[22:36] <devildante> I meant :)
[22:38] <devildante> Can I have some help on uploading attachments in the community wiki? I can't seem to have rights to upload screenshots to ReportingBugs :(


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[12:04] <cbx33> the doc laid out I'm expecting to be about 8 A5 pages
[12:04] <Burgwork> not good enough for printed
[12:04] <Burgwork> 8 is a lot of pages
[12:04] <cbx33> i know
[12:04] <LaserJock> does ccbysa2.5 require full text, I think it might be just a link or something
[12:05] <LaserJock> cbx33: I really think you need to watch the screenshots
[12:05] <Burgwork> hmm, I don't know
[12:05] <LaserJock> cbx33: they should be shrunk down
[12:05] <Burgwork> screenshots need not be full screen
[12:05] <Burgwork> they should be, at most, about 4cm square
[12:05] <cbx33> Burgwork, that was the plan
[12:05] <cbx33> see the mockups :p
[12:06] <LaserJock> Burgwork: do you guys up there use metric?
[12:06] <cbx33> yup
[12:06] <cbx33> you imperial nuts :p
[12:06] <cbx33> I could never get the hang of it :p
[12:06] <cbx33> makes my maths harder
[12:06] <Burgwork> LaserJock, in Canada. Officially yes. We are a wierd hybrid, in practice
[12:06] <LaserJock> I thought maybe it would be half-and-half since Canada seems to like it both ways
[12:07] <Burgwork> distance in metric, weight and height in imperial
[12:07] <cbx33> and when I'm doing non-linear differential equations :p
[12:07] <cbx33> yeh we do a half and half thing too :p
[12:07] <cbx33> but I normally measure length etc in mm/cm
[12:07] <Burgwork> you buy groceries by the pound but bulk food by the 100g and gass by the litre
[12:07] <LaserJock> I'm used to using metric (or really SI) because I'm a scientist
[12:07] <cbx33> LaserJock, swat I thought
[12:08] <cbx33> anyway we digress
[12:08] <LaserJock> but I don't use it a lot for daily use, I have no idea what I weigh in kg, etc.
[12:08] <LaserJock> that sounds better than lbs.
[12:09] <cbx33> no idea what that is in lbs
[12:09] <LaserJock> Burgwork: did you see cbx33's patch4
[12:09] <cbx33> LaserJock, was it ok?
[12:09] <Burgwork> yep, looks godo
[12:10] <LaserJock> I see a typo
[12:11] <cbx33> ooop
[12:11] <Burgwork> apply the patch and then fix the typos
[12:11] <Burgwork> I saw a grammar error too
[12:12] <cbx33> oh dear....
[12:12] <Burgwork> it was mine, actually
[12:12] <Burgwork> I missed a comma
[12:13] <cbx33> oh.... phew
[12:13] <LaserJock> commited
[12:13] <cbx33> I only checked the manage section
[12:13] <cbx33> :D
[12:13] <cbx33> think i can get commit access soon :p
[12:13] <LaserJock> scare -> scarce and added a comma
[12:16] <Burgwork> cbx33, have you applied for access?
[12:16] <cbx33> jscotango posted about it a while ago
[12:16] <mhz> LaserJock: so, any special idea for articles?
[12:16] <cbx33> and people asked for me to submit more patches :p
[12:22] <LaserJock> mhz: what articles?
[12:23] <mhz> LaserJock: iirc, you said something like "mhz, why dont you write an article?"
[12:25] <LaserJock> mhz: hmm, I don't remember
[12:25] <LaserJock> but that's not anything new
[12:25] <mhz> hehehe, indeed
[12:27] <cbx33> are my patches ok?
[12:27] <mhz> LaserJock: no worries, it was lucasvo
[12:27] <mhz> sorry
[12:27] <cbx33> hheh
[12:27] <cbx33> lucasvo, wants articles for the ubuntu journal I would think
[12:28] <mhz> lucasvo: may 19 11:41:18 <lucasvo>       mhz: are you willing to write an article?
[12:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you svn up?
[12:30] <cbx33> no
[12:30] <cbx33> i don;t have access
[12:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: no, update your repo
[12:31] <cbx33> oh ok
[12:32] <cbx33> done
[12:39] <cbx33> I have another patch
[12:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, emailed to you
[12:41] <LaserJock> k
[12:41] <cbx33> sorry LaserJock do you want me to keep them back and make a bigger one?
[12:42] <LaserJock> it's not to bad yet :-)
[12:42] <cbx33> you sure
[12:42] <cbx33> well, if you or Burgwork have a suggestion and example about how the applications section will look like
[12:42] <Burgwork> ok, headed home
[12:42] <cbx33> I can check it out tomorrow
[12:43] <cbx33> nn Burgwork
[12:43] <Burgwork> be back online in about half an hour
[12:43] <cbx33> nn LaserJock
[12:43] <LaserJock> hmm, but you didn't have an updated svn :-)
[12:43] <cbx33> I'm off to sleep
[12:43] <cbx33> LaserJock, what do you mean....
[12:43] <cbx33> yes id did
[12:43] <cbx33> didn't I?
[12:43] <cbx33> i updated
[12:43] <cbx33> oh hang on
[12:43] <LaserJock> cbx33: it might have not gone all the way through yet, your patch reverts some changes :-)
[12:43] <cbx33> no wait
[12:43] <cbx33> wait
[12:43] <cbx33> I submit another
[12:43] <cbx33> too sec
[12:44] <LaserJock> ok, fine
[12:45] <cbx33> that should be it
[12:45] <cbx33> nn LaserJock
[12:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: cya
[12:45] <cbx33> sorry for the mistake
[12:46] <LaserJock> np
[01:27] <Burgundavia_> LaserJock, where are we at with cbx33 and his patches?
[01:28] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I applied his last one
[01:31] <Burgundavia_> ok
[01:43] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, do you like the idea of merging the tools section with the educational apps section?
[01:44] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah, but I'd like to see what we want to do with the tools in general
[01:45] <Burgundavia> let me merge and commit and we can look then
[01:47] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[01:48] <Burgundavia> alright 3053
[01:49] <Burgundavia> remembering of course that the main audience will not read this through yelp
[01:49] <LaserJock> ack, I don't think I did commit his last patch :/
[01:50] <LaserJock> let me do that first
[01:50] <Burgundavia> too late
[01:51] <LaserJock> well, I'll do it now and then we can have a look see
[01:53] <LaserJock> ok, so svn up and lets look at this thing
[01:53] <LaserJock> btw, I think we need to do some spell checking
[01:54] <LaserJock> for some reason it is almost impossible for me to get spell checkers in OS X
[01:54] <Burgundavia> we do
[01:55] <Burgundavia> ugh, this whole applications section
[01:58] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah, so did you want to have like a para for each app area?
[01:58] <Burgundavia> right now I am doing the basics
[01:59] <Amaranth> any updates on SoC stuff?
[01:59] <Amaranth> i'm about ready to give up on the willow author and just write my own
[01:59] <Amaranth> i'd have to fork willow and change it anyway
[01:59] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, I have heard nothing
[01:59] <Burgundavia> honestly, there isn't that much code their
[01:59] <Burgundavia> s/their/there
[02:00] <Amaranth> no
[02:00] <Amaranth> it's very compact magic
[02:01] <Burgundavia> however, the concept is really good
[02:01] <Burgundavia> one key piece that might be difficult is some kind of a learning mode
[02:01] <Burgundavia> basically display the page within a frame and have the teacher click on a button to categorize it
[02:02] <Burgundavia> hmm, then again, that probably isn't too hard
[02:02] <Amaranth> a firefox extension would be useful
[02:02] <Burgundavia> I would make it server side
[02:02] <Burgundavia> remember that most education environments are mixed
[02:02] <Amaranth> eh?
[02:03] <Amaranth> oh, do some magic with an iframe
[02:03] <Burgundavia> basically it would be a proxy
[02:03] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:05] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, svn up
[02:13] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: k
[02:29] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: ack, I've got to get home, I'll be on later
[02:30] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, ok
[10:16] <cbx33> mornin all
[10:17] <Burgundavia> salut cbx33
[10:17] <Burgundavia> I have been busy while you slept
[10:17] <cbx33> i bet you have
[10:17] <cbx33> i'm still in bed at the mo on pocket pc
[10:18] <cbx33> can hardly breathe......feel like.....$#@
[10:18] <cbx33> howz the doc
[10:22] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[10:22] <ubotu> ogra is currently on #edubuntu (5h 1m 4s) #ubuntu (5h 1m 4s)
[10:22] <Burgundavia> cbx33, you are unlikely to get anything out of ogra until monday
[10:22] <cbx33> heheh
[10:22] <cbx33> he's working on RC
[10:23] <cbx33> isn't he
[10:23] <Burgundavia> more likely he is not working and relaxing for a stressful two weeks of work up to release
[10:23] <cbx33> heh
[10:24] <cbx33> good for him
[10:24] <cbx33> right battery is dying here
[10:24] <cbx33> got bout 5 more mins.....
[10:24] <cbx33> then i'll switch to pc......
[10:26] <cbx33> bbiab
[10:38] <Burgundavia> cbx33, fire any patches you have at the ubuntu-doc list
[10:39] <cbx33> ok
[10:39] <cbx33> have you uploaded your changes ?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> yep, everything I have done is in the repo
[10:40] <cbx33> nioce
[10:40] <cbx33> thank you for this Burgundavia
[10:40] <cbx33> you've been a fantastic help
[10:42] <cbx33> Corey did you get that mail about the change of licensing on the wiki?
[10:43] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:43] <Burgundavia> np
[10:43] <Burgundavia> it has been fun
[10:50] <cbx33> I'll bet
[10:59] <cbx33> WOW
[10:59] <cbx33> you have been busy
[11:01] <cbx33> so Burgundavia
[11:04] <cbx33> did you want me to try along the same lines with the science apps?
[11:16] <Burgundavia> cbx33, sure
[11:18] <cbx33> Burgundavia, you there :p
[11:18] <cbx33> Any good educational platform is built on the applications it is built on and Edubuntu is no exception.
[11:18] <Burgundavia> right
[11:18] <Burgundavia> that was tired typing
[11:18] <cbx33> :p
[11:18] <cbx33> sorry Burgundavia
[11:18] <Burgundavia> correct any errors like that
[11:18] <cbx33> will do,
[11:19] <cbx33> We'll give it till the end of the weekend for this
[11:19] <cbx33> hopefully get it to the mailing list for translation late sunday?
[11:19] <cbx33> then i can off load it to do RC testing for ogra next week
[11:20] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[11:21] <cbx33> excellent
[11:21] <cbx33> that should give everyone one more look
[11:22] <cbx33> Burgundavia, when placing screenshots into docbook
[11:22] <cbx33> should I resize them down to fit
[11:23] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:23] <lucasvo> cbx33: please add the #edubuntu-de channel into the section: I don't know much English, can I also get help in my language?
[11:24] <cbx33> ok
[11:25] <cbx33> lucasvo, we could list them all but it would take up too much space
[11:25] <cbx33> Burgundavia, have you looked at that last section at all yet?
[11:25] <Burgundavia> which section? the local one?
[11:25] <Burgundavia> better to say, "There is an Edubuntu or Ubuntu community in nearly everything language and then link to a page"
[11:26] <cbx33> how can i get involved etc
[11:28] <Burgundavia> night
[12:05] <lucasvo> cbx33: then don't mention any of them
[12:05] <lucasvo> people think this list is complete
[12:11] <cbx33> :p
[12:18] <pygi> hey cbx33
[12:52] <cbx33> hi pygi
[12:58] <pygi> whats up cbx33 ?
[01:00] <cbx33> not much
[01:00] <cbx33> just gonna finish some 3d modelling
[01:01] <cbx33> then work on ESA :D
[01:02] <pygi> cbx33, nice :)
[01:05] <cbx33> http://www.caligari.com/Gallery/ImagesGallery/2002/Sep02/image02.asp?Cate=GImages
[01:05] <cbx33> :p
[01:06] <cbx33> tis an old one, but that's the sorta thing I used to do in my spare time :p
[01:11] <pygi> cbx33, nice :)
[01:12] <pygi> Blender
[01:12] <pygi> ?
[01:12] <cbx33> no truespace
[01:13] <pygi> cbx33, ah, is it any good?
[02:08] <cbx33> pygi, it does the job
[02:08] <cbx33> but not free
[02:08] <cbx33> :p
[02:09] <pygi> cbx33, I am askin' because I know several people who don't want to go to Linux because they cant run 3DS max
[02:13] <juliux> ogra, i will try to get a stand on the linuxworldexpo in colonge for edubuntu
[02:26] <lucasvo> juliux: Ubuntu Radios is cool!
[02:26] <juliux> lucasvo, you mean the german one?
[02:29] <lucasvo> juliux: yes
[02:29] <lucasvo> juliux: is there an english one/
[02:30] <juliux> lucasvo, i dont no if there is an english one
[02:30] <cbx33> juliux, you listen to lugradio?
[02:30] <cbx33> or linux reality?
[02:30] <cbx33> brb
[02:30] <juliux> lucasvo, but i think that the german one has to much music
[02:30] <juliux> cbx33, http://www.ubuntuusers.de/radio/
[02:30] <juliux> cbx33, but it is only german
[02:37] <lucasvo> juliux: I never listened to it
[02:37] <juliux> lucasvo, hehe
[02:39] <lucasvo> juliux: what do you think, would it be a good idea to make Ubuntu Journal multi lingual?
[02:39] <lucasvo> for e.g. have a german section?
[02:40] <juliux> lucasvo, i think so
[02:40] <juliux> lucasvo, but if there is a print version i think it is a lot of work to have it multi lingual
[02:40] <lucasvo> juliux: no, just print them all into one magazine
[02:41] <juliux> lucasvo, puh
[02:41] <lucasvo> if you double the pages you pay about 10% more
[02:41] <lucasvo> but you can sell to more people
[02:41] <lucasvo> which gives you bulk discount
[02:51] <lucasvo> cbx33: I'll try to do something with scribus once again
[02:53] <juliux> lucasvo, i have somebody who can do the layout
[02:53] <lucasvo> juliux: who?
[02:54] <lucasvo> juliux: www.elevendesign.ch
[02:54] <lucasvo> he is quite good
[02:54] <juliux> lucasvo, www.linwiki.de is his project, he has layoute our draft for a magazin
[02:54] <juliux> lucasvo, ok if you have one
[02:55] <lucasvo> juliux: I think we should work together
[02:55] <juliux> lucasvo, i have no time for that
[02:56] <lucasvo> juliux: are you the only one involved with printing/
[02:56] <juliux> lucasvo, i?
[02:56] <lucasvo> I mean a print version
[02:56] <lucasvo> juliux: can I see your draft?
[02:56] <juliux> lucasvo, it is not my draft
[02:57] <lucasvo> I mean the draft you have, done by the linwiki guy
[02:57] <juliux> lucasvo, hm the draft isnt online i look if i can find it
[02:57] <lucasvo> thanks
[04:24] <ajayc> !ubotu
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[04:43] <ajayc> pygi, hi
[04:43] <pygi> ajayc, how may I help you?
[04:43] <ajayc> pygi, how can i get a bot from #debian-bots?
[04:43] <pygi> you can't :)
[04:44] <ajayc> damn
[04:44] <ajayc> i cant get my own
[04:44] <pygi> you can install blootbot tho
[04:44] <ajayc> cos i dunno where to host it
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[05:17] <cbx33> afternooooon all
[05:20] <lucasvo> hi cbx33
[05:21] <cbx33> hi lucasvo
[05:22] <cbx33> Laser_away: ping
[06:30] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[06:32] <cbx33> did you manage to find that theme tarball?
[07:01] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[07:06] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:06] <cbx33> jerome said my latest patch i submitted to the ML didn't work
[07:06] <cbx33> it did here
[07:06] <cbx33> can you check it out?
[07:10] <ajayc> hi guys
[07:11] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok
[07:17] <LaserJock> cbx33: patched fine for me, jerome might not have svn up'd before he applied it or something
[07:31] <cbx33> possibly
[07:31] <cbx33> did you apply it LaserJock ?
[07:33] <LaserJock> cbx33: yep, just now
[07:33] <LaserJock> ok, I have perhaps a suggestion for the Applications section
[07:34] <LaserJock> I still like the idea of seperating the desktop apps (which are no different than an Ubuntu desktop I don't think) and the educational apps
[07:35] <LaserJock> so I was thinking that under Applications we could have a sectional called "Edubuntu desktop" and a section called "Educational"
[07:36] <LaserJock> and we could make Edubuntu Desktop more narrative and less list like
[07:42] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[07:52] <cbx33> Laser_away, ok sounds good, what would happen about screen hosts?
[08:03] <cbx33> hi jane_
[08:05] <cbx33> ping highvoltage
[08:43] <cbx33> highvoltage, is the idea to have two wikis now?
[08:44] <cbx33> what would help.edubuntu be edited by?
[08:58] <Laser_away> cbx33: read wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs
[08:59] <Laser_away> cbx33: my basic understanding is that anything we want moved to help.ubuntu.com should have CategoryDocumentation at the bottom
[09:01] <Laser_away> cbx33: I think ogra was thinking of that list of pages you were doing
[09:03] <lucasvo> Laser_away: do you think that's reosanable?
[09:03] <lucasvo> because then people would look for articles which are on help-wiki in the normal wiki, wont find them and create new ones
[09:04] <lucasvo> I would rather just mark the wiki articles with some marker and then have an editor team who copies them and looks that there is no rubbish in them.
[09:05] <lucasvo> cbx33: what do you think?
[09:06] <lucasvo> ah-
[09:10] <Laser_away> lucasvo: all user documentation wiki pages are moving to help.ubuntu.com
[09:10] <Laser_away> wiki.ubuntu.com will only have developer documenation, specs, etc.
[09:10] <lucasvo> yeah, I just finished reading the spec
[09:10] <lucasvo> I think best would be, if one would do it like this:
[09:11] <lucasvo> help.ubuntu.com/wiki the actual wiki
[09:11] <lucasvo> help.ubuntu.com the documentation
[09:11] <Laser_away> yes, that is the way it is
[09:11] <lucasvo> but I think help.ubuntu.com/ should NOT be a wiki
[09:13] <Laser_away> it isn't
[09:15] <lucasvo> oh, so I misunderstood this
[09:17] <Laser_away> help.ubuntu.com holds the docs that are shipped, help.ubuntu.com/wiki holds the user documentation wiki
[09:26] <Amaranth> projects get their slots for SoC this afternoon
[09:36] <lucasvo> the apple store is awesome
[10:17] <cbx33> Laser_away, who will have editing rights to help.ubuntu.com ?
[10:17] <cbx33> for updating docs etc?
[10:17] <cbx33> and when is this move taking place?
[10:18] <lucasvo> cbx33: afaik the docteam
[10:36] <cbx33> ping Laser_away


[11:37] <daftykins> goooood morning team
[16:38] <zxmpi> o/
[16:45]  * davef is still alive
[16:46] <daftykins> woohoo
[16:47] <daftykins> i got a triple pack of jaffa cakes at the supermarket yesterday, on discount too - made me think of you :)
[16:47] <davef> awh, so sweet.
[16:48] <daftykins> about to go over my folks for Chinese, aww yeah
[17:01] <davef> nice
[17:39]  * zxmpi adds jaffa cakes to christmas shopping list...
[18:57] <penguin42> Jaffa cakes aren't just for Christmas
[18:57] <zxmpi> #adoptDontShop
[18:57] <davef> Indeed, they're for me!
[19:01] <zxmpi> you just need to start a sideline importing jaffacakes and a dozen other assorted speciality items
[22:04] <zxmpi> crimbo jaffa cakes acquired
[22:17]  * davef cries a little bit inside
[22:17] <davef> if anyone wants to drop ship me jaffa cakes, i have a po box lol
[22:18] <daftykins> no Amazon.ca listings of reasonable cost?
[22:19] <davef> $20 for a triple pack
[22:19] <davef> that what are these? https://www.amazon.ca/Jaffa-Crevenka-Biscuit-Covered-Chocolate/dp/B007ZDAMGW/
[22:20] <davef> what is Crevenka?
[22:20] <daftykins> new one on me!
[22:20] <daftykins> ooh looke like a pretender to the throne
[22:21] <daftykins> "made in Serbia not London"
[22:27] <zxmpi> probably not even made with real polonium :-P
[23:44] <penguin42> food prices in general seem stupidly high on Amazon