[00:59] <bdmurray> are any of my testing friends around?
[01:08] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I just ran into a potential error
[01:08] <bdmurray> with being my testing friend?
[01:08] <patrickmw> just double checking
[01:08] <patrickmw> LOL
[01:25] <bdmurray> patrickmw: if you could confirm bug 770590 that'd be great
[01:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770590 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Canonical Partners software listing is confusingly incomplete (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770590
[01:25] <patrickmw> bdmurray, ok. checking now
[01:32] <patrickmw> bdmurray, interesting...
[01:32] <patrickmw> bdmurray, since I had the parters repo enabled at startup I check if the package displayed, and it did
[01:33] <patrickmw> then I disabled the partners repo and let the cache update
[01:34] <patrickmw> searching for "sun-java6" displayed the related package names
[01:34] <patrickmw> then I re-enabled the repo, let the cache update, and now nothing displays when I search "sun-java6"
[01:35] <bdmurray> hunh, that sounds related but different
[01:35] <patrickmw> bdmurray, yeah its no the same, I'm running apt-get update and seeing what happens
[01:38] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I just tested that on a machine that I've been updating since beta 1.  I just noticed some other odd things with my software-center.  I have a new VM about to finish an install with the most recent image and I'll check again
[01:47] <patrickmw> bdmurray, with a new install, I enabled the canonical partners repos.  After the cache updated I still couldn't find any of the sun-java6 packages.
[01:52] <patrickmw> bdmurray, even after restarting USC.
[01:56] <bdmurray> patrickmw: its in the technical section
[01:57] <bdmurray> like click show technical stuff towards the bottom
[01:57] <patrickmw> bdmurray, oh yeah ,thanks.  i'll check this again
[02:06] <patrickmw> bdmurray, Ive had the tech packages displayed the whole time.
[02:06] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I've tried following your steps in the bug, but maybe I'm missing something
[02:07] <patrickmw> on the Other Software tab, I checked the Canonical Partner boxes
[02:08] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I have all updates enabled except backports
[02:16] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I updated the ticket.  I wonder if I was opening USC to quickly before it fully closed
[06:24] <skaet> jibel,  around?
[06:25] <skaet> Am looking for someone to confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/770256 with the new images.
[06:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770256 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Reboots after Wubi install via ubiquity repeatedly ask to uninstall (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[07:17] <skaet> all,  there's now a fresh set of images on the iso tracker.   If smoke testing reveals any glitches, please flag loudly here and in #ubuntu-release.
[07:22] <skaet> uijltje - why are you bouncing in and out?   bad connection?
[08:59] <jibel> chadadavis, hi, bug 770275 is specific to amd64+mac ? I can't reproduce on i386 or amd64
[08:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770275 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "installer suggests wrong default keyboard for locale (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770275
[09:02] <chadadavis> This might be related to my last comment on bug 770275
[09:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770275 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "installer suggests wrong default keyboard for locale (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770275
[09:02] <chadadavis> jibel, ^
[09:03] <chadadavis> jibel, yes, sorry, that's they one you were talking about. Yes, doing them in parallel now. They're different.
[09:03] <jibel> chadadavis, okay, I'm confirming it then, since I've no mac to test it on.
[09:04] <chadadavis> jibel, I'll do it again on my next round of mac tests to confirm as well
[09:04] <jibel> chadadavis, k
[09:05] <jibel> chadadavis, also I've been able to reproduce bug 770253 with german but it doesn't affect every non-english languages.
[09:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770253 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Slideshow window larger than the slides with some non-english languages (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770253
[09:06] <chadadavis> jibel, yeah, I didn't have the problem with French, despite that French also is susceptible to bug 758621
[09:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 758621 in gnome-session (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Need translated fallback message in gnome-session (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/758621
[09:07] <chadadavis> Sorry that was wrong, one second ...
[09:07] <chadadavis> jibel, French also has this bug 628159 though
[09:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 628159 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Some ubiquity slideshow titles go (smaller) to a new line (affects: 2) (heat: 27)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628159
[09:09] <jibel> chadadavis, are you still experiencing it ? I had it a while ago but it seems to be fixed.
[09:10] <chadadavis> jibel, still having it with German (20110425.2) and I'm pretty sure I had it yesterday with French (don't recall if mac or not). I'll keep an eye out for it and try to reproduce it.
[09:12] <jibel> Good morning skaet
[09:13] <skaet> good morning jibel
[09:13] <jibel> skaet, how was your trip ?
[09:17] <cjwatson> jibel: OK, I'm in London now and ready to look at this LVM install bug.  Do you have a recipe for me so that I can reproduce it locally?  That's probably easiest.
[09:17] <skaet> jibel,  heh, it was economy,  'nuf said.  ;)
[09:34] <jibel> cjwatson, I summarized the setup here http://paste.ubuntu.com/599179/
[09:44] <jibel> cjwatson, I forgot to mention, create a maverick system with this setup, then boot the system from the natty server iso, it hangs when it starts the partitioner (before the menu is displayed)
[09:53] <cjwatson> and you said the 'export' bit was the key to reproducing this?
[10:04] <jibel> cjwatson, yes. without a partition on export, it's fine.
[10:07] <cjwatson> jibel: right, I was wondering if I needed to bother with the iSCSI bit
[10:08] <cjwatson> jibel: in fact, presumably the iSCSI export isn't actually running at the time
[10:08] <cjwatson> so it shouldn't matter
[10:08] <cjwatson> I didn't even know you *could* create a partition table on an LV
[10:09] <cjwatson> I mean logically I suppose you must be able to, but ...
[10:15]  * cjwatson tries
[10:17] <jibel> cjwatson, I guess it was created from the iscsi client when he installed lucid on this device
[10:19] <cjwatson> I suppose if you already have a VG it's a rational thing to do
[10:41] <cjwatson> jibel: OK, reproduced it, excellent
[10:42]  * cjwatson breaks out slightly bigger hammers
[10:44] <cjwatson> (strace -f partman)
[10:49] <cjwatson> RIGHT
[11:52] <jibel> anyone with an nvidia card and proprietary drivers installed can confirm bug 766995 ?
[11:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 766995 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Plymouth is not centered on nVidia with proprietary drivers (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766995
[11:56] <jibel> chadadavis, about bug 770251, german is only on i386
[11:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770251 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Live CD not localized (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770251
[12:00] <chadadavis> jibel, is that the case for French too then? Which languages should be on which CDs?
[12:01] <jibel> chadadavis, french has been removed from all the iso, not enough space. I think the bug is in the documentation since we can't extend the cd to fit them all.
[12:02] <jibel> chadadavis, when you write "the documentation states that German is supposed to be on the CD." which documentation are you referring to ? do you have the link ?
[12:03] <chadadavis> jibel, OK, I'll mark it invalid. I must have been thinking of the test descriptions, which are maybe not up to date. Yes, I was also asking you for the same link ;-)
[12:04] <jibel> chadadavis, I think it's a valid documentation bug.
[12:05] <davmor2> jibel: I'm on natty amd64 on this nvidia box, the ubuntu logo is out on shutdown but not start up, I'm assuming a kms issue is to blame
[12:06] <chadadavis> jibel, it seems the bug is that one can choose languages at boot that aren't available on the live CD.
[12:07] <jibel> chadadavis, right, and only very few parts of the desktop are translated, but the first time you log in after installation, the language-selector must pop up and ask to install the incomplete langpacks
[12:12] <chadadavis> jibel, is this more of a feature request, to expect that the languages in the boot menu should correspond to what is actually on the live CD? I guess the menu is boot menu is static.
[12:14] <jibel> chadadavis, in needs discussion, but if you select a language it is used by the installer even if the langpack is not on the ISO. So the installation is localized with the choice you made at boot time.
[12:16]  * jibel -> lunch
[12:16] <chadadavis> jibel, right. Makes sense. Thanks.
[13:34] <jibel> All, we are currently rebuilding alternate and server images.
[13:50] <hggdh> good morning jibel, how are things going?
[14:31] <cjwatson> Ubuntu server, Ubuntu alternate, Kubuntu alternate posted
[14:37] <stgraber> rsyncing ubuntu alternate for LTSP testing (i386 + amd64)
[14:37]  * pedro_ syncing
[14:44] <stgraber> that's a lot of jibel ;)
[14:45] <jibel__> stgraber, sorry about that. My provider is playing with the connection and changing my ip every 2 minutes :/
[14:51] <cjwatson> Xubuntu alternate posted
[14:51] <charlie-tca> syncing
[14:52] <charlie-tca> thank you
[15:17] <cjwatson> Ubuntu Studio posted
[15:37] <charlie-tca> both Xubuntu Alternate images failed
[15:37] <charlie-tca> abiword fails to install
[15:37] <charlie-tca> skaet, jibel ^ ^ ^
[15:37] <jibel> charlie-tca, :/
[15:37] <charlie-tca> first time in a week
[15:38] <ScottK> charlie-tca: What's the error?
[15:38] <skaet> charlie-tca, details?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> packages have unmet dependencies
[15:39] <jibel> charlie-tca, can you file a report and attach the installer log files please.
[15:39] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:39] <charlie-tca> filing now
[15:39] <skaet> was the prior xubuntu prior alternate ok?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> checked both 32 and 64bit images first
[15:39] <jibel> and paste the bug number to #u-release
[15:39] <charlie-tca> skaet: Ì don't know. I did not get a chance to test the images from last night
[15:40] <charlie-tca> (less than 10 hours between images)
[15:42] <cjwatson> sorry, I should have caught this from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/report.html before posting
[15:42] <charlie-tca> need a bug on it then?
[15:42] <cjwatson> none of the other images I just posted have uninstallables
[15:43] <cjwatson> yes, though I'm unsure where
[15:43] <cjwatson> it's installable from the archive
[15:43] <charlie-tca> It's worked until now
[15:43]  * cjwatson takes advantage of office bandwidth
[15:48] <charlie-tca> bug 771277
[15:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 771277 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "packages have unmet dependencies installing Natty (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771277
[15:48] <charlie-tca> attaching the rest of the logs now
[15:51] <charlie-tca> muonata herre?
[15:52] <charlie-tca> I would like to know the test environment being used by muonata; says the images are working
[15:55] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: the catch-all package for alternate CDs is debian-installer rather than ubiquity, FYI
[15:55] <charlie-tca> crap
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I forgot
[15:55] <cjwatson> reassigned
[15:55] <charlie-tca> thanks
[15:56] <cjwatson> (though it's not actually an installer bug, but that'll do for the moment - as I say it's a catch-all)
[15:57] <charlie-tca> downloading 20110425.3 to check it
[15:58] <davmor2> jibel: the bluetooth icon is missing from EN_GB installs in system setting
[16:08] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: you don't need to download the full ISO - it's in report.html
[16:08] <charlie-tca> oh
[16:12] <cjwatson>  libabiword-2.8 : Depends: libwv-1.2-3 (>= 1.2.4) but it is not installable
[16:12] <cjwatson> (having set up chdist)
[16:12] <cjwatson> wtf, that's in the archive
[16:13] <cjwatson> Link from /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ftp-universe/pool/universe/w/wv/libwv-1.2-3_1.2.4-2ubuntu3_i386.deb to /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/xubuntu/daily/tmp/natty-i386/CD1/pool/universe/w/wv/libwv-1.2-3_1.2.4-2ub
[16:13] <cjwatson> says the CD build log
[16:13] <cjwatson> untu3_i386.deb failed: No such file or directory
[16:14] <cjwatson> -rw-rw-r-- 1 cdimage cdimage<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-07 07:04 /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ftp-universe/pool/universe/w/wv/libwv-1.2-3_1.2.4-2ubuntu3_i386.deb
[16:14] <bdmurray> what is our evaluation criteria for the serious checkbox on the iso tracker?
[16:15] <cjwatson> and the target exists too
[16:19] <cjwatson> I'm just going to rebuild Xubuntu and hope for the best; I can see no reason why that should have faile
[16:19] <cjwatson> d
[16:20] <charlie-tca> thank you
[16:20]  * cjwatson crosses fingers
[16:28] <ScottK> And then get the wubi fix as an added bonus.
[16:31] <charlie-tca> wubi is desktop image, fails are alternate images
[16:35] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I've always wondered that myself
[16:35] <Samsagax> hi there, anyone tested any laptop?
[16:35] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I could find anything  on qa.ubuntu.com site about it
[16:35] <bdmurray> patrickmw: I reported a bug about so we can work on it in the future
[16:36] <Samsagax> i'm doing that tonight
[16:36] <patrickmw> s/could/couldn't
[16:36] <patrickmw> bdmurray, ok cool
[17:01] <cjwatson> That seems to have worked.  Spooky
[17:01] <charlie-tca> very
[17:01] <cjwatson> posted
[17:02] <charlie-tca> thanks, I will grab it and try again
[17:07] <jibel> any tester for powerpc ?
[17:40] <skaet> jibel,  luke yelavitch is signed up for ubuntu desktop.    Is he around?
[17:41] <skaet> Riddell, jussi - have you been able to start on kubuntu desktop powerpc/32 ?
[17:42] <jibel> skaet, no he's not. He's UTC+10
[17:43] <skaet> jibel,  thanks for info on luke.  Will keep an eye out for him later.
[17:44] <Riddell> skaet: tm_t says he'll do that this European evening
[17:44] <charlie-tca> looks like xubuntu alternate is okay again.
[17:44] <jibel> charlie-tca, confirmed
[18:05] <skaet> Riddell,  thanks.
[18:12] <patdk-wk> hmm, iscsi tests still failing with same issues
[18:15] <jibel> Daviey, ^ can you check with patdk-wk what differs from your setup. We need to figure if it fails under specific circumstances or if it's a more global issue with iscsi
[18:15] <patdk-wk> ya, I tried so many variables in my setup, and it always fails for me
[18:21] <cjwatson> I wish I could reproduce it
[18:22] <cjwatson> it worked fine for me, although I didn't have time for more than a straight-through test in my pre-existing setup (iscsitarget in host, install in kvm guest)
[18:23] <patdk-wk> ya, mine is split over 3 servers, dhcp server, tftp/iscsitarget, and the client
[18:26] <patdk-wk> I find it strange that disabling open-iscsi makes it all happy though
[18:26] <cjwatson> Ubuntu desktop, Kubuntu desktop, Xubuntu desktop posted (Wubi fix)
[18:27] <charlie-tca> thank you
[18:31] <jibel> for those who want to try, I added support for powerpc, amd64+mac, kubuntu-mobile and armel images to dl-ubuntu-test-iso
[18:31] <jibel> it is not packaged yet but available from bzr lp:ubuntu-qa-tools
[18:40] <patrickmw> stgraber, somehow I busted my internal network.  Well, at least I think that's what the problem is.  If your ltsp server's internal network can't connect let me know.  Again, I'm pretty sure I broke it though
[18:52] <stgraber> patrickmw: I got a working LTSP setup on amd64, testing i386 now
[18:55] <stgraber> i386 works fine too
[18:56] <stgraber> ok, I'm done with my usual tests (alternate + edubuntu), will start doing some desktop build testing now
[19:01] <patrickmw> stgraber, thanks for picking those up :)
[19:02] <cjwatson> ubuntu headless omap3 posted
[20:11] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: what image were you using in bug 770349?
[20:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 770349 in linux (Ubuntu) "live session start muted, a11y installation impossible (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770349
[20:12] <bdmurray> my live session is not muted now
[20:12] <charlie-tca> I can reproduce with any image using the right soundcard
[20:12] <charlie-tca> It is hardware specific
[20:12] <bdmurray> okay well the title doesn't make that clear
[20:12] <charlie-tca> It is not related to screen-reader install, it is related to the hardware
[20:13] <charlie-tca> I can even reproduce it with any release ;-)
[20:13] <charlie-tca> and it also affects fabio's installations. It is not limited to live cd
[20:13] <charlie-tca> His sound is always muted on the first boot into a new install.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> once it is unmuted, it reboots unmuted
[20:20] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: changed the title to reflect the actual issue
[20:41] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: I am sorry if I snapped at you about the bug. It took me two days to get all the info out of the reporter
[20:42] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: oh no problem
[20:42] <charlie-tca> thanks for looking at it
[20:42] <stgraber> Ubuntu netbook armel omap3 finished building and is now on the tracker
[21:01] <astraljava> Hey guys, anyone else see just blinking cursor when booting into encrypted entire disk install, and needing to switch to VT[1-6] and then back to 7 again to see the unlock with the passphrase dialog?
[21:01] <charlie-tca> both of mine on hardware worked
[21:01] <astraljava> This is on Ubuntu Studio amd64 iso testing.
[21:01] <stgraber> encrypted worked fine for me, in a VM though (kvm) so didn't get the nice KMS enabled splash
[21:02] <astraljava> So I'm looking at filing a bug, then?
[21:44] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I could use some help with bug 760275
[21:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 760275 in Ubuntu Natty (and 2 other projects) "simplified chinese has missing label translations for applets (affects: 1) (heat: 471)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/760275
[21:45] <patrickmw> I would like to create the individual bugs, but I'm not 100% which package all the affected applets are associated to
[21:46] <patrickmw> bdmurray, the attached pdf should be enough info, but let me know its its not
[23:53] <patrickmw> bdmurray, the only indicator I'm having trouble with in the one with the envelope
[23:54] <bdmurray> not inidcator-messages?
[23:57] <patrickmw> bdmurray, I believe indicator-messages is the the chat bubble
[23:58] <bdmurray> patrickmw: if you look at bugs at https://launchpad.net/indicator-messages/+bugs I think I'm right
[23:58] <patrickmw> then can you help me find what the chat bubble is?
[23:59] <bdmurray> can you paste hte pdf link again?


[02:03] <ahoneybun> mhall119, what should I do about the orders from the shop?
[02:07] <ahoneybun> weird it says when I bought that 14.04 shirt it was though worldpay
[20:33] <maddog> hello


[04:26] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 17.04 - i386 - i386 built.
[04:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 17.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[07:11] <Unit193> ochosi: I know what the problem there is.
[07:19] <Unit193> flocculant: Wooo!  May have even fixed it!  After apt update, check  apt list | grep ed,loc  and check what's there.  I deleted xfconf from the PPA quite some time ago, but looks like it never got deleted from LP (just hidden from view), so I hit the delete button a few more times right now and it's no longer in the archive either.
[07:20] <Unit193> ochosi: ↑
[07:22] <ochosi> Unit193: oh, it was the "new"/unreleased gtk3 port of xfconf?
[07:22] <Unit193> Yeah, the crappy one that breaks everything.  Hence why stuff was broken. :D
[07:24] <ochosi> humpf
[07:24] <ochosi> thanks for noticing :)
[07:24] <ochosi> that would have been nasty to debug
[07:25] <Unit193> I fixed/re-installed/etc my VM.
[07:33] <Unit193> ochosi: Howdy.
[07:35] <ochosi> and howdy, what's up? :)
[07:36] <Unit193> Not much at 0240.
[07:43] <flocculant> Unit193: I'll reinstall my vm - and recheck that gtk3 stuff then - purging ppa and re-adding I still see problem
[07:43] <flocculant> I notice the ppa is emptier than it was though :)
[07:43] <Unit193> flocculant: As of a few minutes ago?  And yeah, pushing them to zesty.  Did you get anything back from that command?
[07:45] <flocculant> ppa purge worked ok - ppa add appeared to have issues
[07:46] <flocculant> I'll be awake this afternoon :p
[11:33] <bluesabre> Unit193, I would have never figured that out
[12:17] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[12:29] <flocculant> ochosi bluesabre Unit193 - now running gtk3 ppa in zesty here again - at least the few bits left in the ppa
[22:08] <Unit193> flocculant: Did you do whatever it was that you were going to do later, btw?
[22:09] <flocculant> Unit193: perhaps ...
[22:09] <flocculant> if it was gtk3 - then yea - have that now on this machine
[22:10] <flocculant> knome: so I'm back with that really annoying login to admin on x.o and only get my profile thing again :(
[22:10] <flocculant> and now ...
[22:11] <flocculant> took ~10 tries
[22:11] <knome> hmm.
[22:11] <knome> oh well, IS issues:P
[22:11] <flocculant> yea :p
[22:15] <flocculant> knome: ok site updated
[22:15] <knome> thanks again
[22:16] <ochosi> Unit193: any plans for setting up a meeting?
[22:16] <Unit193> Oh I'm next?
[22:17] <ochosi> it seems
[22:17] <knome> Unit193, do you not read meeting logs?
[22:17] <Unit193> knome: Read: yes, remember: no.
[22:21] <Unit193> ochosi: Need something specific?
[22:21] <ochosi> nope, just a friendly reminder
[22:21] <Unit193> OK, cool.  Thanks then.
[22:25] <flocculant> knome: mailed list with changes too
[22:25] <flocculant> evening ochosi :)
[22:25] <knome> cheerio
[22:25] <flocculant> knome: cya
[22:25] <flocculant> though I'm not sure you meant that :p
[22:26] <knome> nope :P
[22:26] <flocculant> :D
[22:27] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[22:27] <bluesabre> and hi everyone
[22:27] <flocculant> hi bluesabre
[22:27] <ochosi> evening bluesabre
[22:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Howdy.
[22:28] <bluesabre> hey!
[22:28] <Unit193> ochosi: Unless specifically called for, upcoming weeks are going to be a bit more complicated.
[22:28] <ochosi> well we can do an impromptu meeting now ;)
[22:29] <ochosi> knome, bluesabre: we should also do our initial council meeting...
[22:29] <knome> yep
[22:29] <bluesabre> ochosi, indeed
[22:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: plus, if/when you have time, maybe discuss some roadmappy things (which would mostly belong to #xfce-dev prolly)
[22:30] <bluesabre> ochosi, anytime
[22:30] <bluesabre> (including now)
[22:30] <knome> yeah, works for me
[22:30] <ochosi> k, why not
[22:32] <flocculant> Unit193: you're off that hook then - swim away quickly :p
[22:32] <Unit193> flocculant: Swimming then.
[22:33] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu council meeting
[22:33] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 23 22:33:39 2016 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:33] <knome> #chair ochosi bluesabre
[22:33] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre knome ochosi
[22:33] <bluesabre> woohoo
[22:34] <knome> anything specific we want in the agenda?
[22:34] <bluesabre> nothing specific from me
[22:35] <slickymaster> whatie!?!?!?!
[22:35] <knome> slickymaster?
[22:35] <slickymaster> meeting today?
[22:35] <knome> slickymaster, council, impromptu
[22:35] <slickymaster> oh
[22:35] <slickymaster> sorry
[22:35] <knome> but feel free to follow and comment if there's something
[22:35] <bluesabre> (surprise!)
[22:35] <knome> ochosi, anything for the agenda?
[22:36] <ochosi> the only specific thing i would like to finalize (although we have discussed it previously via email) is our communication channels
[22:36] <knome> mhm
[22:36] <ochosi> we can also discuss and finalize other generic stuff like voting
[22:36] <ochosi> but my presumption is that it'll be the same as with general votes
[22:36] <knome> my other item is the blog article for council that has been under work
[22:36] <knome> ok, so
[22:36] <knome> #topic Council communication
[22:36] <ochosi> good
[22:37] <knome> this has indeed been discussed before in council-exclusive emails, and the gist is:
[22:37] <knome> (correct me if i'm wrong)
[22:38] <knome> eugh, sorry for the delay
[22:38] <bluesabre> :)
[22:38] <knome> so the basic gist:
[22:39] <knome> - the council decides whether any discussion needs to be private, but mostly it will be public
[22:39] <knome> - if a decision is made in private, the reasons behind the decision will still be made public
[22:39] <knome> - the council will NOT have a separate mailing list (even a private one) for now
[22:40] <flocculant> mmm
[22:40] <knome> anything that needs clarification?
[22:40] <flocculant> point
[22:40] <knome> sure
[22:40] <ochosi> i'd explicitely say that we'll use the xubuntu devel ml for now
[22:40] <ochosi> not just "NO separate ml"
[22:40] <bluesabre> yeah, I'd agree with that
[22:41] <knome> ochosi, well yeah, that's implied; we'll use the regular communication methods unless we want to discuss something in private
[22:41] <knome> but ok
[22:41] <flocculant> while I can understand not wanting to do the whole private m/l - that means that discussion that might be private are not ever available to council members in future
[22:41] <flocculant> which could be an issue perhaps
[22:41] <knome> flocculant, we did discuss that
[22:41] <knome> it's actually very likely that kind of discussion would happen in IRC
[22:41] <knome> so there would have to be some kind of logging for that
[22:42] <flocculant> mmm
[22:42] <ochosi> also, "the reasons behind the decision will still be made public"
[22:42] <flocculant> well - I'm just making the point is all :)
[22:42] <ochosi> this implies to me that not just the decision but also the gist of the discussion shall be made public
[22:42] <knome> flocculant, sure, wanted to let you know that we did indeed think about it
[22:42] <flocculant> ochosi: not sure that makes a lot of difference
[22:42] <knome> ochosi, indeed
[22:43] <flocculant> anyway - point made :)
[22:43] <ochosi> point taken
[22:43] <knome> ochosi, wasn't that what we agreed on?
[22:43] <ochosi> knome: yup, just wanted to say it expressis verbis
[22:43] <bluesabre> Do we want to utilize a tag when communicated over the mailing list, e.g. [COUNCIL] to make it easier to sort out historical discussion?
[22:43] <knome> again, obviously if it's anything that requires keeping stuff private for intimacy reasons, then it's not going to be released
[22:44] <knome> bluesabre, that sounds like we should just create that mailing list :P
[22:44] <knome> and flocculant's point on the -offtopic channel speaks for that too
[22:44] <bluesabre> knome, yeah, but we also use [TEAM] for team discussion on the devel list
[22:44] <knome> in any case, i don't think that list will be very high traffic
[22:45] <bluesabre> (or have in the past)
[22:45] <knome> bluesabre, i don't think we'd take "council discussion" to the mailing list
[22:45] <knome> i mean...
[22:45] <knome> again, it feels like it's more suited for IRC and real-time
[22:45] <bluesabre> so it would be more, announcements from the council
[22:45] <knome> yes
[22:45] <bluesabre> that's reasonable
[22:46] <knome> and those announcements do not concern the council only, they are whole project, so i'm not sure what the council tag would be for
[22:46] <knome> "this is what the council will force on you all"
[22:46] <knome> :P
[22:46] <bluesabre> "Ugh, another COUNCIL email"
[22:46] <knome> (no, please not like that, i want the council to be as transparent and at the same level as the team9
[22:46] <bluesabre> right
[22:47] <ochosi> yeah
[22:47] <bluesabre> so most (if not all) council communication occurs on #xubuntu-devel, announcements are made to the -devel m/l
[22:47] <ochosi> to me the council is also a safety net against the "single point of failure" XPL
[22:48] <knome> so,
[22:48] <knome> should it all be expressed this way:
[22:48] <ochosi> so not that much active "council stuff" is going to go down in my expectation at least
[22:48] <bluesabre> That's how I also understand it
[22:48] <knome> - council will do any discussion-like communication on IRC, announcements and requests for feedback on -devel
[22:48] <knome> that is, for THIS council setup
[22:49] <knome> this isn't something we'll write on the strategy document
[22:49] <knome> (but maybe we should consider adding something general there about the public/private discussion part)
[22:50] <ochosi> you mean to not prevent future councils to take a more proactive approach..?
[22:50]  * knome shrugs
[22:50] <bluesabre> largely to just have an official statement on these things should questions or eyebrows be raised
[22:51] <knome> why do we have a strategy document if the strategy is whatever the majority of currently active people agree on?
[22:51] <knome> of course future councils or whatever can just change the section on the SD
[22:52] <bluesabre> certainly
[22:53] <knome> ok, so
[22:53] <knome> 1) most discussion is public, private only if the council feels it's required for the issue at hand
[22:55] <knome> 2) if discussion is private, any decisions and the rationale for the decision will be made public, unless making the rational public would infringe personal privacy or something alike
[22:56] <knome> 3) council discussion will mostly be had in IRC; the xubuntu-devel mailing list is used for any council announcements and requests for feedback
[22:56] <knome> 4) council announcements will also be announced on the community meetings
[22:56] <ochosi> sounds good to me
[22:57] <knome> 5) the council will have scheduled and/or impromptu meetings on #xubuntu-devel; the meeting minutes (and logs) will be sent to the xubuntu-devel mailing list
[22:57] <knome> phew
[22:59] <knome> did somebody want to mull over the public/private discussion issue and the decision making leading to a private one?
[22:59] <knome> eg. do we need to express more clearly that the council will not take discussions private unless the council really thinks privacy requires it or it is a really sensitive issue otherwise?
[23:00] <knome> apparently not
[23:00] <knome> #action knome to send a summary of the council communication discussion to the ML
[23:00] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to send a summary of the council communication discussion to the ML
[23:00] <bluesabre> anything that even suggests a lack of transparency or openness is generally going to be frowned upon
[23:00] <Unit193> knome: Only thing I can think of is sending the private logs to the team server so that they're more archived for later council members.
[23:01] <knome> Unit193, right, the only "issue" with that is that people not in the council have access to that
[23:01] <knome> again, not a statement of trust issues, but it's not foolproof
[23:01] <Unit193> Indeed, thought of that.
[23:01] <knome> also, does ochosi have access to the server?
[23:01] <knome> or bluesabre?
[23:02] <ochosi> nope
[23:02] <bluesabre> nope
[23:02] <ochosi> not that i know of
[23:02] <knome> so again if we want to do something like this, i'd just vote for creating that mailing list
[23:02] <bluesabre> certainly not the council server :D
[23:02] <knome> and sending the meeting logs to the council ML
[23:02] <knome> the ownership of a ML is easy to transfer when the council seats change
[23:02] <slickymaster> I think that the ability of those logs being available to future councilmembers is important, imo
[23:03] <knome> you think, in your opinion
[23:03] <knome> i'd never thought of that
[23:03] <knome> *trollface*
[23:03] <Unit193> knome: Was just an idea as a way to archive them, though yeah it's a bit moot if you do setup the ML after all.
[23:04] <knome> i mean instead of doing the weird server setup, just do it on the ML - don't even need to use that for anything else
[23:04] <knome> there is no guarantee that the xubuntu devel server will always exist
[23:04] <bluesabre> yeah
[23:06] <knome> so at this point i see no reason to set up anything like this
[23:06] <knome> -- however, if a private discussion is needed, the council should reasses the situation
[23:06] <knome> +s
[23:07] <knome> ok, i think that's clear now :P
[23:07] <knome> anything else on this subject?
[23:08] <ochosi> nope
[23:08] <ochosi> i think this is fine
[23:08] <knome> #topic Blog article about the council
[23:09] <knome> without further ado, we have one under draft at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-council-article
[23:09] <knome> we probably want "something personal" there too about the council members
[23:11] <bluesabre> I can agree with that
[23:12] <bluesabre> I'm also for having this in general for our team for anybody that wants to put their name on the site or wiki
[23:12] <knome> there have been talks about an "introducing the xubuntu team" article series for ever...
[23:13] <knome> so anyway, we can likely continue working on that article outside of the official meeting
[23:14] <knome> does anybody have any ideas what we should/could have there?
[23:15] <ochosi> to me the structure and content looks fine
[23:15] <ochosi> we can finalize this outside the meeting
[23:15] <knome> oki
[23:16] <knome> anything else?
[23:16] <ochosi> nope, fine by me
[23:16] <bluesabre> I think we're good with that
[23:17] <knome> so anything else on anything else?
[23:18] <knome> does the general public have any questions for the council?
[23:18] <knome> :P
[23:18] <bluesabre> I don't think so... I can imagine that our activity (as a single acting body) will be incredibly rare
[23:22] <bluesabre> Any questions can be directed to the mailing list and added to the Meetings discussion to be picked up as we go
[23:22] <knome> yes
[23:22] <knome> thanks
[23:22] <knome> #endmeeting
[23:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 23:22:24 2016 UTC.
[23:22] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-11-23-22.33.moin.txt
[23:23] <bluesabre> woo
[23:23] <ochosi> cool, thanks bluesabre and knome
[23:23] <bluesabre> thanks knome
[23:23] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi
[23:23] <bluesabre> thanks lurkers
[23:23] <knome> thanks sean, simon
[23:23] <Unit193> Thanks XPC.
[23:23] <knome> and the bots
[23:23] <bluesabre> peanut gallery, you guys are important too
[23:23] <Unit193> \o/
[23:31]  * genii sweeps up all the crumpled balls of paper, and cleans the coffee machine


[00:28] <aspidites> is there something special i need to do to actually start getting karma for committing code?
[00:28] <aspidites> every time i do my name shows on the commit, but it isn't hyperlinked, and nothing shows up in karma
[00:29] <wgrant> aspidites: bzr whoami "First Last <email@address>"
[00:30] <wgrant> Also note that branch karma is only calculated once a day.
[00:31] <wgrant> But if it's a project branch and it's linking your commits to you properly, you'll start getting karma.
[02:23] <idnar> rockstar: what happened to bzr-autoreview?
[02:33] <rockstar> idnar, it's part of bzr-launchpadplus now.
[02:33] <rockstar> In fact, it's the only plugin of bzr-launchpadplus currently.
[02:34] <idnar> ooh, okay
[10:24] <issyl0> Hi there.  I'm just wondering why bugs I report get automatically set to private?  Surely that defeats the point of reporting a bug if no-one can see it's there?  I just had to change the latest one to public.  I am using Launchpad Beta, is this why, is this a new feature?
[10:26] <wgrant> issyl0: Some (normally proprietary) projects are configured to have bugs reported private by default.
[10:26] <wgrant> In that case the relevant team will automatically be subscribed to the bug.
[10:29] <issyl0> wgrant: ah, OK.  Well this was a bug about gwibber.  Does it matter I've made it public?
[10:32] <issyl0> Thanks.
[10:32] <wgrant> issyl0: You didn't click the "This bug is a security vulnerability" checkbox?
[10:32] <issyl0> I did not.
[10:32] <wgrant> Hmm. Odd.
[10:39] <orion_SuN> ppa for last stable kernel os kubuntu 9.10 ???
[10:40] <wgrant> orion_SuN: You might want to ask in #ubuntu.
[11:45] <willwill> hello. is there any launchpadlib for debian lenny?
[11:45] <willwill> eh, i mean launchpadlib deb
[11:55] <Guest87422> I have a persistent problem trying to view a diff for revision. THe site instructs me to report it here. https://code.launchpad.net/~deejay1/sshsplit/i18n-support/+merge/20804/+preview-diff/+files/preview.diff
[12:19] <willwill> OK. I figured out how to install launchpadlib. Now is there any API for translations?
[12:39] <apachelogger> can one change a bug status via a mail?
[12:41] <apachelogger> nvm :)
[15:03] <joh> How often are the template for translations updated given that I've set up automatic synchronization from a branch?
[15:15] <joh> Is template importing broken atm?
[15:29]  * joh wonders why translation template imports in launchpad are so slow.
[15:35] <Kangarooo> how can i make changes in some project? theres https://launchpad.net/pastebinit and i want to change its help files witch comes from pastebinit -h . how can i connect to launchpad to start changing that? im totally newb but what ill learn ill make video and teach others in my loco team witch later ill make very active
[16:01] <joh> Kangarooo: Check https://code.launchpad.net/pastebinit
[16:07] <joh> Any LP admins around? Is automatic translation template import broken?
[20:58] <crimsun> OOPS-1526EA787
[21:14] <sinzui> crimsun: it is a timeout because it took too long to convert every message in the bug into a question message. This is a known bug. We need to consider sending messages out-of-proc to combine all the messages into that are sent to each user.
[21:20] <crimsun> sinzui: ok, thanks. I'll work around that for now.
[21:44] <Engineer_Abdalla> hi guys. i have a problem in bzr push command any one can help ?
[21:46] <Engineer_Abdalla> hello any one herer
[21:47] <wgrant> Engineer_Abdalla: Ask your question, and somebody will respond if they know the answer.
[21:49] <Engineer_Abdalla> i`m getting authentication failure during bzr push command as following:
[21:49] <Engineer_Abdalla> The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established.
[21:49] <Engineer_Abdalla> RSA key fingerprint is 9d:39:3a:63:b1:a5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89.
[21:49] <Engineer_Abdalla> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
[21:49] <Engineer_Abdalla> Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,<IP_ADDRESS>' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[21:49] <Engineer_Abdalla> Permission denied (publickey).
[21:49] <Engineer_Abdalla> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[21:49] <BlackZ> Engineer_Abdalla: please use pastebin for long output(s)
[21:52] <Engineer_Abdalla> i`m sorry..i`m new here http://pastebin.com/1ZYPFmrR
[21:53] <BlackZ> Engineer_Abdalla: no worries
[21:55] <BlackZ> Engineer_Abdalla: did you bzr launchpad-login yourusername ?
[21:58] <Engineer_Abdalla> BlackZ: I did now and there was a change to http://pastebin.com/FJCeG4MT
[21:59] <geser> do you use the same SSH key you added to your LP account?
[22:00] <BlackZ> Engineer_Abdalla: seems you're trying to use bzr+ssh but the key you're using isn't recorded in launchpad
[22:01] <BlackZ> Engineer_Abdalla: please add the key(s) and re-try
[22:02] <Engineer_Abdalla> i`m newbie in this world ..could u tell how to add the key :)
[22:03] <BlackZ> Engineer_Abdalla: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair
[22:03] <BlackZ> Engineer_Abdalla: read there and if you have got any question, don't hesitate to ask
[22:03] <Engineer_Abdalla> thx
[22:08] <Engineer_Abdalla> thx guys it works fine now


[04:17] <jwitko> hey guys, i redid the interfaces on the server that i oroginally installed maas on.  now the subnets no longer reflect that of the maas server nor what I want provisioned on the hosts.  how can I make MAAS pick up the new settings?
[04:26] <ipurwae> hello
[04:26] <ipurwae> where I can get free cloud?
[07:02] <alexlist> Re my observation from yesterday: It looks like it took quite a while to import CentOS 7 images and until they were available for deployment. A better progress indicator would be a great thing, I already thought MAAS was stuck with something...
[07:14] <mpontillo> jwitko: so there are a couple different ways to get MAAS to discover subnets. the first way is to register a cluster controller. this will automatically add a fabric to MAAS containing each discovered subnet
[07:15] <mpontillo> jwitko: the second way is to commission a node. upon commissioning, we will discover the interfaces attached to each node, and discover what subnets (via the DHCP IP address received, if any)
[07:18] <mpontillo> alexlist: agreed; I'll make sure this is brought up when we decide features for the next MAAS release
[07:20] <jwitko> mpontillo, so basically my situation is that I installed a one server maas installation.   controller, region controller, etc.  all on one piece of hardware.
[07:20] <jwitko> After the installation where it discovered the interfaces and set them up as expected I had a change in network requirements
[07:21] <jwitko> if you look at this image:  http://i.imgur.com/j5jW8Po.png?1
[07:21] <jwitko> I just want to make fabric-1 look identical to fabric-0  (except the subnets staying as they are now)
[07:21] <jwitko> so I want to remove the valn-600 and take the subnet attached to it and make it attached to the fabric-1 untagged vlan
[07:22] <jwitko> just like fabric-0
[07:22] <jwitko> is there any way for me to do that simply or do I need to uninstall and reinstall maas?
[07:25] <mpontillo> jwitko: MAAS does not allow you to have a duplicate subnet in MAAS. what you may need to do is use the API to "merge" the two fabrics
[07:25] <jwitko> i don't want duplicate subnets
[07:25] <mpontillo> jwitko: that is, move your VLAN into fabric-0 and then delete fabric-1
[07:26] <jwitko> i want to get rid of that VLAN all together
[07:26] <jwitko> notice how fabric-0 has no vlan
[07:26] <jwitko> the subnet is attached to the untagged 'item' under fabric
[07:26] <jwitko> I just want to make fabric-1 the same way
[07:27] <mpontillo> jwitko: ah, then you can use the API to move the subnet to the "untagged" VLAN on fabric-1
[07:27] <jwitko> great!  how?
[07:28] <mpontillo> jwitko: after you move the subnet, you can delete the extraneous VLAN.
[07:29] <mpontillo> jwitko: I don't have the exact syntax handy, but it's something like "maas <profile> subnet <IP_ADDRESS>/16 update vlan=<vlan-specifier>"
[07:30] <jwitko> mpontillo, there seems to be very little documentation detailing every command and syntax
[07:30] <mpontillo> jwitko: you may need to do "maas <profile> fabrics read" and then "maas <profile> vlans read <fabric-id>" to get the appropriate IDs
[07:30] <jwitko> not criticizing, as I'm loving MAAS, just observing  :)
[07:30] <mpontillo> jwitko: yeah, we  do rely a lot on the help available when typing "--help" in a specific CLI context, but I agree that it isn't that user friendly.
[07:31] <mpontillo> jwitko: no worries; I've actually had updating the docs for that on my TODO list for a long time, just haven't gotten around to it
[07:32] <mpontillo> jwitko: busy working on UI support for MAAS 2.0 =) https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/qt7B5J0s/better-css.png
[07:32] <mpontillo> jwitko: any of your feedback, good or bad, is much appreciated - thanks for trying MAAS
[07:36]  * mpontillo needs to head to sleep
[07:37] <mpontillo> jwitko: looking forward to hearing how your MAAS setup turns out.
[07:37] <mpontillo> night
[07:37] <jwitko> have a good one, thanks for the help!
[12:17] <mup> Bug #1559052 opened: MaaS updates IPMI user/password for the node even if the change didn't reflect in IPMI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559052>
[13:17] <mup> Bug #1559052 changed: MaaS updates IPMI user/password for the node even if the change didn't reflect in IPMI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559052>
[13:17] <mup> Bug #1559088 opened: [Xenial 2.0] tgt fails to start with tgtadm out of memory error <2.0> <iscsi> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559088>
[14:18] <mup> Bug #1559130 opened: [1.9.1] Parted bug <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559130>
[14:27] <mup> Bug #1559130 changed: [1.9.1] Parted bug <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559130>
[14:36] <mup> Bug #1559130 opened: [1.9.1] Parted bug <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559130>
[14:57] <mup> Bug #1559130 changed: [1.9.1] Parted bug <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559130>
[19:33] <jwitko> hey mpontillo, i'm back  :)
[19:33] <jwitko> got everything sorted out last night!
[19:33] <mpontillo> jwitko: great! glad to hear it
[19:34] <jwitko> had an additional question however... if I wanted to add an additional DNS entry to my MAAS managed bind dns, how can I do that ?
[21:16] <mup> Bug #1559316 opened: [2.0a3 UI] VLAN: This field cannot be null  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559316>
[21:38] <mpontillo> jwitko: we are doing full support for custom DNS entries in MAAS 2.0... in MAAS 1.x that might be difficult. you could edit /etc/maas/templates/dns/zone.template, but the custom record would appear in all zones
[22:07] <mup> Bug #1559327 opened: [2.0a3] after upgrade to pre-alpha3, dhcpd is configured incorrectly <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559327>
[22:19] <mup> Bug #1559330 opened: [2.0a3 pre] maas-rackd constantely attemps to connect to regiond without stop <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559330>
[22:19] <mup> Bug #1559332 opened: [2.0a3] Server VLAN's UI is showing too many vlans <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559332>
[22:31] <mup> Bug #1559330 changed: [2.0a3 pre] maas-rackd constantely attemps to connect to regiond without stop <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559330>
[22:31] <mup> Bug #1559332 changed: [2.0a3] Server VLAN's UI is showing too many vlans <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559332>
[22:37] <mup> Bug #1559330 opened: [2.0a3 pre] maas-rackd constantely attemps to connect to regiond without stop <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559330>
[22:37] <mup> Bug #1559332 opened: [2.0a3] Server VLAN's UI is showing too many vlans <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559332>
[23:07] <jwitko> mpontillo, thanks man.  how do I regenerate DNS once I edit it ?
[23:08] <mpontillo> jwitko: easiest way might be to just restart maas-regiond
[23:08] <mpontillo> jwitko: what you are doing is not really supported =)
[23:08] <jwitko> thanks!
[23:16] <mup> Bug #1559341 opened: Controller listing page lacks rack controller connection status <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559341>


[20:23] <leftyfb> SorryNoob: use woeusb to flash the Windows iso onto a flash drive and reinstall. Or go to ##windows for help creating the USB drive using another Windows machine
[20:23] <leftyfb> Kriss3d: you're assuming they have Windows installed dual boot
[20:23] <Kriss3d> SorryNoob, start by making a windows bootble usb stick to boot from that will let you fix it
[20:23] <Kriss3d> leftyfb, i assume he have windows installed but cant somehow get to boot it yes
[20:23] <leftyfb> Kriss3d: I think you're assumption is unfounded
[20:24] <Kriss3d> Auch. My mistake.
[20:24] <Kriss3d> SorryNoob, when you installed ubuntu. did you have it install on the entire disk ?? or side by side with windows ?
[20:24] <SorryNoob> Kriss3d I already have a live bootable windows 10 usb
[20:24] <leftyfb> SorryNoob: the visit ##windows for help booting your Windows USB to install Windows. Ubuntu is completely irrelevant to you at this point
[20:26] <OerHeks> WoeUSB takes 30 minutes, copying from windows on usb about 4 minutes
[20:26] <OerHeks> grinn
[20:26] <leftyfb> OerHeks: they said they already have a a bootable windows 10 usb
[20:27] <OerHeks> SorryNoob, oke, see if it is (protected) EFI, and make sure boot is set properly
[20:27] <OerHeks> and not in a (blue) usb 3 port
[20:27] <OerHeks> if it fails, join ##windows
[20:33] <raub> gyles19: thanks for the info. I will convert the date to something I can understand to see if it is related to an event in the hypervisor I am aware of
[20:35] <raub> SorryNoob: "(16:18:16) SorryNoob: and reboot and it does'nt load" and "(16:24:23) SorryNoob: Kriss3d I already have a live bootable windows 10 usb" are contradictory
[20:37] <raub> lordcirth, gyles19: just as a FYI, https://paste.centos.org/view/6d74515a
[20:37] <lordcirth> raub, you did that while mounted?
[20:38] <lordcirth> Don't do that
[20:38] <raub> lordcirth: yes, hence the -n
[20:38] <raub> I thought -n would mean not to change it
[20:38] <lordcirth> raub, wait, why did you fsck sda instead of a partition?
[20:43] <gyles19> Ubuntu's installer normally defaults to creating partition tables on devices so usually you'd fsck /dev/sda1 or whatever.  Telling fsck to read the whole device will confuse it.  However, if you do like I tend to do, and create extra virtual devices and format those directly without partitions, when /dev/sda would be correct and then those errors would be a problem.
[20:46] <blackflow> gyles19: fs in fsck stands for file system. so you must train it at a filesystem, not at the whole disk
[20:47] <gyles19> Blackflow: filesystems can be planted on a block device, you don't have to have a partition table or partitions on the block device.  Old school unix admins know this and I use it a lot here.
[20:48] <leftyfb> gyles19: while that is true, why do it if it just complicates things?
[20:49] <Joe_from_next_do> gyles19: superfloppy!
[20:50] <lordcirth> The only reason I know to go superfloppy is ZFS, where apparently you get slightly better performance that way. But that's ok since ZFS itself allows splitting filesystems, etc
[20:50] <gyles19> Simplifies things when you're dealing with vm virtual disks.
[20:51] <lordcirth> I suppose it does make some sense in VMs, but I don't think it's worth breaking Principle of Least Surprise.
[20:51] <Joe_from_next_do> I don't think there should be slightly better performance that way. Because a partition table doesn't affect performance, just layout. But correct that there's also no particular reason to use a partition table on a non-root disk entirely dedicated to btrfs or zfs
[20:51] <blackflow> gyles19: oh yes, I know, just saying that the target of fsck must be a filesystem, it shouldn't matter which device it's based on (a GPT partition, or straight on the drive)
[20:52] <Joe_from_next_do> For root disks you still want to have a partition layout for the boot loader
[20:52] <lordcirth> Joe_from_next_do, it normally doesn't, but ZFS does some low-level trickery that is only safe if it knows nothing could be concurrently writing to the same drive. So it only enables those tweaks if it has the whole disk.
[20:52] <blackflow> Joe_from_next_do: actually there is one. you want to underprovision it in case you replace the drive with another, rated same but actually smaller number of sectors
[20:52] <blackflow> so in essence, ZFS will implicitly GPT partition the drive if you don't.  So, why not be explicit about it and have full control.
[20:53] <Joe_from_next_do> Ah I see
[20:53] <blackflow> lordcirth: ZFS will implicitly create GPT layout if you give whole drive in the vdev
[20:53] <lordcirth> blackflow, oh really? interesting.
[20:54] <lordcirth> One less reason, then :P
[20:55] <Joe_from_next_do> Off-topic, I don't think macOS recognises even FAT superfloppies so for years I've always put a partition table on even small flash drives.
[20:55] <lordcirth> why so it does, just checked
[20:56] <gyles19> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/50093
[20:56] <gyles19> Nuts. Ignore that.  wrong tab.
[21:24] <OerHeks> сделать Ubuntu великим
[21:37] <Zewwy> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/09/install-ffmpeg-3-1-ubuntu-16-04-ppa/
[21:37] <Zewwy> is this still relivent?
[21:37] <Zewwy> if i want to use Hardware acceleration on Shinobi?
[21:40] <Zewwy> ffmpeg version 3.4.4-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> Copyright (c) 2000-2018 the FFmpeg develop                                                                                ers
[21:40] <Zewwy> I guess I have pretty close to the latest
[21:41] <Zewwy> https://medium.com/@ShinobiSystems/adding-a-gpu-card-does-it-help-51d00ba4b619
[21:41] <Zewwy> huh... I think it's been merged into the main branch already..
[21:47] <Zewwy> like if you going to make a claim it cane work, at the very least take one exaple video card, and show you made it work, instead of writing a blog post saying some other fourm sites are wrong on the matter
[21:47] <Zewwy> DO IT! show it working... argggg
[21:48] <leftyfb> Zewwy: feel free to chat/rant in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[21:54] <ph88> hey guys, ffmpeg installed from ubuntu repo doesnt have nvenv support. What are my options to get nvenc support?
[21:55] <woenx> hey people. Is it normal that there are two different file browsers in Ubuntu 18.04, one if it's started from the launcher, and another if it's started from a folder in the desktop?
[21:55] <woenx> the one launched from the desktop is Nemo.
[21:55] <woenx> and the other one it just say "Files"
[21:57] <DreamPCS> Good afternoon (or whatever it is) guys!
[21:57] <leftyfb> woenx: that's because you're not running stock ubuntu. You're running Cinnamon which installs nemo
[21:58] <woenx> leftyfb, no, Ubuntu with gnome desktop environment
[21:58] <woenx> from a fresh install
[21:58] <DreamPCS> Hey, so hopefully you guys can help me with a quick question. I have / and /home on two different partitions on the same drive. Can I resize them without mounting issues?
[21:58] <leftyfb> woenx: you did something you install nemo. It does not get installed by default.
[21:58] <woenx> of course, i installed it in january, and I've installed other software, so nemo must have came with some of it
[21:58] <leftyfb> DreamPCS: yes, use a live cd
[21:59] <OerHeks> "if it's started from a folder in the desktop?" .. so you downloaded nemo
[21:59] <DreamPCS> Ok cool, just wanted to make sure that fstab doesn't care where the partition starts.
[21:59] <woenx> ok, apparently blueman (the bluetooth manager) depends on nemo
[21:59] <DreamPCS> leftyfb: thanks!
[21:59] <woenx> is there a way to make it non-default?
[21:59] <leftyfb> OerHeks: when he double-clicks on an icon on the desktopp, it'll open the default file manager (nautilus). The cinnamon launcher is going to use nemo though
[22:00] <leftyfb> woenx: https://sites.google.com/site/installationubuntu/tweaking-ubuntu/change-default-filemanager   # found after googling for "ubuntu default file manager"
[22:01] <woenx> thanks leftyfb
[22:02] <Zewwy> dreamcat4: as mentioned you can use a live image (such as GParted Live) which will allow you do do that, but not on the system its currently running on if those partitions are already mounted
[22:02] <Zewwy> Sorry
[22:02] <Zewwy> meant that for DreamPC but he left
[22:02] <aldcor> hi! I am on 18.04. I downloaded Wine. I installed Counter-strike 1.6 and it won't launch.. loading cursor appears for about 10 secs and that's all
[22:03] <Zewwy> mhmm 1.6 such a classic
[22:03] <aldcor> yap
[22:03] <aldcor> really wana play :)
[22:03] <Zewwy> unfortunelly I have very lil experince or knowledge in uysing Wine :(
[22:03] <xamithan> Just play it on linux man
[22:03] <leftyfb> !wine | aldcor
[22:03] <xamithan> It runs native
[22:04] <aldcor> xamithan,  what do you mean? I am on Linux ubuntu ..
[22:04] <Zewwy> I'm assuming he has original exe files with a CD?
[22:04] <xamithan> I mean stop using wine and just install it on steam
[22:04] <qwebirc13343> Good evening all!
[22:04] <leftyfb> aldcor: Counter-strike is available of steam for linux. For help with wine, /join #winehq
[22:04] <OerHeks> steam+1
[22:05] <aldcor> xamithan, is it possible on steam for free?
[22:05] <Zewwy> I love steam, but it maybe he's could be trying to install an orignal version and do a local netplay
[22:05] <leftyfb> aldcor: no, it's $9.99
[22:05] <xamithan> No,  but many moons ago you could put your cd-key in and add it
[22:05] <Zewwy> what?
[22:05] <xamithan> Probably still can
[22:05] <Zewwy> They Made CS:Go free
[22:05] <Zewwy> but 1.6 is still $10
[22:05] <Zewwy> liek what?
[22:05] <qwebirc13343> I waI was wonderign whetehr I could get some support with 802.1x authentication on Ubuntu
[22:05] <aldcor> yes, I want to play it local with my buddies
[22:06] <leftyfb> aldcor: ok, good luck. You have 2 options available to you.
[22:06] <OerHeks> playonlinux scripts, still you get support in #winehq
[22:06] <OerHeks> have fun!
[22:07] <leftyfb> !register | Guest56657
[22:08] <aldcor> thank you
[22:08] <Zewwy> aldcor: good luck, i hope you succeed, 1.6 is a classic fun game
[22:09] <Zewwy> Still baffled CS:GO = free but CS 1.6 is not
[22:09] <gyles19> I'm hoping Satisfactory comes out for linux at some point.
[22:10] <calamari> In a multi-homed system, is there any way to set the Wi-Fi as the sole default route, even when there's also an Ethernet connection? I keep deleting the Ethernet route (route del), but it always gets put back. I'm assuming NM is doing it.
[22:10] <Zewwy> calamari: why not keep them on the same subnet using the same gateway/deafult route and set up priority
[22:11] <Zewwy> IMHO multi-homing an end device is terrible, but I come from networking side of things so I generally don't do it
[22:11] <leftyfb> calamari: set it in network manager
[22:12] <aldcor> anyway it's pretty silly that I must pay 10$ or the other option is messy guides, apps, scripts etc. to get some silly game running.. it should be waaay simpler. It's just cs 1.6
[22:13] <leftyfb> !ot | aldcor
[22:13] <leftyfb> aldcor: go to #winehq for help with games/apps on wine
[22:13] <aldcor> This is not related to ubuntu at all?
[22:13] <Sushi-san> My Steam Controller is not working with Ubuntu 18.04. Is this a known problem?
[22:14] <Zewwy> not at this point no
[22:14] <leftyfb> aldcor: it's not an ubuntu support question/issue
[22:14] <aldcor> how so?  If you want help with wine, then go to #winehq
[22:14] <Zewwy> you just happen to be using Ubntu
[22:15] <aldcor> i see
[22:15] <Zewwy> Go to #winehq for help in reguards directly to wine
[22:15] <leftyfb> aldcor: we cannot be expected to support every windows game/app in wine. We are not wine specialists. That is what #winehq is for
[22:15] <tomreyn> aldcor: we only support packages (and maybe snaps) which are officially supported by canonical and the community here.
[22:15] <aldcor> you dont have to send me to that channel again and again.. I am already on winehq waiting for an answer :)
[22:15] <Zewwy> lol
[22:16] <Zewwy> then wait patiently :D
[22:16] <aldcor> i am :)
[22:16] <Zewwy> Sushi-san: not sure
[22:17] <Zewwy> I don't even know if there's like a dedicated "supported" peripherals page as their are so many USB based peripherals
[22:17] <tomreyn> Sushi-san: you can check your system log, maybe it has some info on it: journalctl -b
[22:17] <Zewwy> it be impossible
[22:17] <leftyfb> Sushi-san: https://steamcommunity.com/app/353370/discussions/1/1696046976476695218/  # first result on google for "ubuntu 18.04 steam controller"
[22:18] <Zewwy> This is why i use Steam on windows
[22:18] <daemon> hey all I am trying to install ubuntu-server and hitting this error in the installer: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkvwG6Qrk79x7AOySwWOJ9SyG0MJ
[22:18] <Zewwy> It just works
[22:18] <daemon> what do I need to do to get around it
[22:18] <Zewwy> thats an odd link
[22:18] <Sushi-san> Excellent, that worked perfectly! Thank you, leftyfb
[22:19] <leftyfb> daemon: redownload the ubuntu 18.04 server iso from ubuntu.com and flash to your usb/cd
[22:19] <daemon> Zewwy, just ms onedrive
[22:19] <daemon> leftyfb, that is a SHA match for the LSB
[22:19] <aldcor> leftyfb, my comment regarding games on Ubuntu was to point out that those old silly games should be made easy to play. It's user-friendly approach.
[22:19] <Zewwy> ohhh neat, I never used one drive
[22:19] <aldcor> *easy to install
[22:20] <leftyfb> aldcor: this is a support channel. #ubuntu-offtopic is for ranting
[22:20] <Zewwy> aldcor: that requires somne to support it
[22:20] <Zewwy> and that means work
[22:20] <leftyfb> daemon: redownload the ubuntu 18.04 server iso from ubuntu.com and flash to your usb/cd
[22:20] <daemon> leftyfb, there is no media this is a VM and it matches the sha provided by the website
[22:20] <Zewwy> what you mean no media?
[22:20] <leftyfb> daemon: what is the filename of the iso you're using?
[22:20] <Zewwy> you must have mounted the ISO in your VM for it to install
[22:21] <daemon>  /venv/media/ubuntu-18.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso
[22:21] <daemon> SHA256 (/venv/media/ubuntu-18.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso) = ea6ccb5b57813908c006f42f7ac8eaa4fc603883a2d07876cf9ed74610ba2f53
[22:22] <leftyfb> daemon: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.2/release/ubuntu-18.04.2-server-amd64.iso
[22:22] <tomreyn> what kind of virtualization are you usiung there?
[22:22] <leftyfb> use that one instead
[22:22] <daemon> tomreyn, bhyve
[22:22] <daemon> cheers leftyfb will give it a whirl
[22:23] <Zewwy> what the heck is bhyve
[22:23] <leftyfb> daemon: if it works, I would ask you file a big against the subiquity installer
[22:23] <Zewwy> file a big?
[22:23] <tomreyn> daemon: i think someone else (or you?) ran into unexplicable errors trying to run ubuntu in this virtualization before.
[22:23] <daemon> tomreyn, the weird ipv6 thing yep
[22:23] <leftyfb> Zewwy: please stop with the commentary
[22:23] <daemon> with something cloud
[22:24] <Zewwy> ok, or don't educate me
[22:24] <daemon> tomreyn, infacgt I followed my own video to install it just now
[22:24] <daemon> tomreyn, why I was so confused on the failure
[22:25] <tomreyn> daemon: i don't recall what was the issue last time. but you may have hit another shortcoming of the virtualization here.
[22:25] <tomreyn> after all, this image works in most others.
[22:25] <leftyfb> Zewwy: http://bhyve.org/  # 2nd google result for "bhyve"
[22:25] <daemon> tomreyn, the issue last time was my parent was actually advertising ipv6 incorrectly ;)
[22:25] <daemon> it picked it up on the vnet
[22:25] <Zewwy> I get taht, but what is file a big agaist?
[22:25] <daemon> but it installed faultless
[22:25] <calamari> Zewwy: There are corporate things going on with the networking that may only have political, rather than rational reasons... basically the wireless connection is where I can do most of my work, and the ethernet is good for printing and a couple intranet things
[22:26] <Zewwy> calamari: Ahh gotcha thanks
[22:26] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I'm suggesting a possible issue with the subiquity installer ... being all new and all
[22:26] <tomreyn> daemon: i see. you can get the full error log from the installer, post it to the ubuntu pastbin, then we can take a closer look.
[22:26] <daemon> tomreyn, that was actually the post of 'full error log'
[22:26] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i think i know most of them by now, but surte, there can always be more ;)
[22:26] <calamari> leftyfb: how do I set it in network manager? I figured out how to add routes, but I didn't see an option to delete
[22:27] <leftyfb> tomreyn: you didn't know about the one with cloud-init ;)
[22:27] <tomreyn> daemon: you posted a screen shot, did i miss another post?
[22:27] <leftyfb> calamari: "use this connection only for resources on its network"
[22:27] <leftyfb> calamari: that will prevent it from setting a default toute
[22:27] <leftyfb> route*
[22:28] <calamari> leftyfb: I'll try it, thanks
[22:28] <tomreyn> leftyfbtrue :)
[22:29] <daemon> tomreyn, no that was all I got
[22:29] <daemon> tomreyn, its kinda hard to do much over rs-232
[22:30] <Zewwy> daemon: I neverheard of this hypervisor before, seems neat that it is based on BSD, is there any benifits vs others liek Linux KVM, VMwares ESXi, or MS Hyper-V?
[22:30] <daemon> Zewwy, in my honest opinion having tried most hypervisors at this point, weird and wonderful the two I often use are hyper-v and bhyve depending on the project
[22:30] <Zewwy> mhmm intersting
[22:31] <Zewwy> I copuldn't stand Hyper-v as configuing a vlan right from the console was not possible
[22:31] <Zewwy> and havign limited ports
[22:31] <daemon> but hyper-v is a bit unfair as ms wrote specific virtualization drivers for freebsd
[22:31] <Zewwy> that bugge dme
[22:31] <daemon> so it likely has an unfair benchmarking advantage on that platform
[22:31] <leftyfb> can we stay on topic please?
[22:31] <Zewwy> probably classic MS
[22:31] <Zewwy> sorry
[22:31] <Zewwy> im out
[22:31] <daemon> leftyfb, tomreyn I apologise I am unsure who suggested the non live ISO, its working perfectly
[22:32] <leftyfb> daemon: I did
[22:32] <Zewwy> daemon: it is better IMHO
[22:32] <Zewwy> I had ... other issues with the live installer :P
[22:32] <leftyfb> Zewwy: please stop
[22:32] <daemon> leftyfb, thank you once again, what a curious problem though
[22:32] <Zewwy> ohj Im not allowed to share my personal experiences with Ubntu's insatller?
[22:32] <daemon> I would assume they was based around the same core
[22:33] <leftyfb> daemon: feel free to help out and file a bug against subiquity
[22:33] <leftyfb> daemon: It's a new installer that uses the cloud image as opposed to a D-I install
[22:34] <daemon> leftyfb, I presume its here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity if so I will throw a quick video together to show exactly whats happening with as much detail as I can provide I imagine its related to me using rs-232 I should connect a VNC/gfx adapter to it and try thatas well
[22:34] <leftyfb> daemon: thank you
[22:35] <daemon> leftyfb, interestingly last time I was here there was that init issue with cloud services and now you mention the live installer uses a cloud backer ...
[22:36] <leftyfb> daemon: it has the option to use cloud-init after install. Though it doesn't rely on it too much for the default install.
[22:36] <emma> HOLAA
[22:36] <LinuxTabletUser> Hola:-)
[22:36] <emma> COMO ESTAN
[22:37] <LinuxTabletUser> !eol
[22:37] <daemon> leftyfb, ah I see, I just thought it was an off co-incidence
[22:37] <LinuxTabletUser> !esm
[22:37] <leftyfb> LinuxTabletUser: can we help you with something?
[22:37] <LinuxTabletUser> ubottu:!lts
[22:37] <leftyfb> !es | emma
[22:38] <leftyfb> LinuxTabletUser: do you have a support question?
[22:38] <LinuxTabletUser> 14.04 Ltd eol
[22:38] <LinuxTabletUser> *lts
[22:38] <leftyfb> LinuxTabletUser: not yet, no. Next month
[22:39] <LinuxTabletUser> The
[22:39] <LinuxTabletUser> Thx
[22:40] <Lionyx> Hello. I have lxdm running as a login manager and when I log in my touchpad mouse works ok. But when I launch startx it does not. How do i track where lxdm puts it's xorg config?
[22:41] <leftyfb> Lionyx: what version of ubuntu are you running where you need to run startx to get the desktop to run?
[22:41] <Lionyx> i am using gallium os actually
[22:41] <Lionyx> basetd on xbuntu
[22:41] <leftyfb> Lionyx: ok, that is unsupported here. Please seek support from gallium
[22:41] <emma> JOIN UBUNTU
[22:41] <leftyfb> emma: do you have a support question?
[22:42] <emma> QUIEN QUIERE SER MI AMIGO
[22:42] <leftyfb> !es | emma
[22:44] <leftyfb> emma: Este es un canal de soporte. Por favor / únase a # ubuntu-offtopic para chatear con otros en la comunidad. Este canal habla solo en inglés.
[22:44] <daemon> leftyfb, fully booted and working I will file a note saying that in reality on the download page it should be hinted to use the non-live installer for VM
[22:45] <leftyfb> daemon: the bug should be files against the subiquity installer
[22:46] <daemon> leftyfb, the bug may take some work to track down, in the intrim however it would take almost no time for them to make a note on the downloads page and yes I will deffinatly file the bug
[22:46] <leftyfb> daemon: that isn't going to happen without a bug report
[22:48] <daemon> leftyfb, I will file a bug report! :) I have the very form open, I will link you when its there
[22:51] <tomreyn> daemon: i think the default server ("live") installer is so far considered to work fine (despite of several bugs, some of which are critical, but nnot virutalization specific) in the common virtualization environments. suggesting that it should not be used in those will probably need some kind of reasoning.
[22:52] <daemon> tomreyn, 'If you have trouble with the live installer you should try the non-live installer <x>, you should likely use the non-live installer in more niche enviroments as standard'
[22:52] <tomreyn> even over a serial connection you should be able to upload the log file, unless you're trying to install without an internet connection, in which case this installer is not going to work anyways (there's a workaround, though, IIRC).
[22:53] <tomreyn> daemon: i agree this is factually and technically correct. i also doubt this would pass the marketing department. :)
[22:54] <daemon> :-)
[22:54] <tomreyn> but that's not something we should concern ourselves with
[23:05] <eriol> lol
[23:06] <eriol> lvr
[23:06] <eriol> alv
[23:06] <eriol> c mamo
[23:06] <eriol> help
[23:06] <eriol> xdxd
[23:07] <eriol> quien esta activo
[23:07] <eriol> ¿?
[23:08] <leftyfb> !es | eriol
[23:09] <eriol> ?
[23:11] <eriol> . . .
[23:14] <gyles19> Just ask your question, Eriol.
[23:15] <[rg]> can apt hold back a package? or only apt-get?
[23:16] <tomreyn> [rg]: can you calify "hold back"?
[23:16] <tomreyn> *clarify
[23:16] <OerHeks> pinning?
[23:16] <gyles19> rj, as I understand it, apt-mark hold packagename] is the process.  It's what I use, anyway.
[23:16] <tomreyn> i expect either to not update or remove packages marked 'hold'
[23:17] <[rg]> e.g an ew package upgraade is available, I want to upgrade other packages, but no that one
[23:17] <[rg]> conversly, can I upgrade a single package?
[23:17] <[rg]> ok so apt mark
[23:17] <gyles19> rg: sure, just apt install singlepackage
[23:17] <gyles19> and/or apt-mark hold oldpackage, then apt upgrade
[23:17] <[rg]> ah
[23:18] <[rg]> thanks
[23:18] <gyles19> yw
[23:18] <[rg]> is there documentation somewhere about the package history format?
[23:18] <gyles19> "package history format?"
[23:19] <[rg]> yeah, i want to be able to make a script that lists manually installed packages and their dependencies
[23:19] <gyles19> rg: apt-mark showmanual will list all manually installed packages for you.
[23:21] <[rg]> i see a bunch off stuff I havent installed...
[23:21] <gyles19> rg: I don't think apt (the wrapper) will show deps and rdps.  I use apt-cache depends somepackage and apt-cache rdepends somepackage for that.  Or you can install and use aptitude, it makes browsing dependencies a lot easier.
[23:21] <gyles19> rg: I believe the extra packages you're seeing were planted by the original installer.
[23:23] <[rg]> ok, why do they mark it as manual, do you know?
[23:24] <[rg]> and I use synaptic, which seems similar
[23:24] <gyles19> rg: As I understand it, stuff marked 'manual' is only allowed to be removed manually.  stuff marked 'auto' can be removed by 'autoremove'.
[23:24] <tomreyn> some packages are integral to ubuntu, should not be removed, those will be set to manually installed, too.
[23:24] <gyles19> rg: you woudn't want apt-get autoremove deinstalling your kernel packages, for example.
[23:26] <[rg]> oh i see
[23:26] <[rg]> yeah that would be bad
[23:26] <tomreyn> oir dpkg, or apt-get
[23:26] <tomreyn> or glibc
[23:27] <gyles19> or ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-server, which one of my fool newhires managed to do yesterday using aptitude.
[23:27] <[rg]> lol
[23:27] <[rg]> hire me instead 8-)
[23:27] <tomreyn> those are just meta packages, removing them should not do immediate harm
[23:28] <calamari> there's nothing wrong with removing ubuntu-standard
[23:28] <gyles19> Tomreyn, whatever he did flagged 90% of installed packages for deinstall, and when unattended-upgrades ran that night, the vm self-destructed.
[23:28] <tomreyn> well, that's unfortunate.
[23:28] <[rg]> see, looking at logs, i notice some fields like requested by appear
[23:29] <gyles19> Aptitude flagged everything for removal, not just the one meta package.
[23:29] <tomreyn> you shouldn't be using aptitude nowadays.
[23:29] <gyles19> rg: which log are you looking at?
[23:29] <gyles19> I detest aptitude and don't installer it anywhere.  Another admin installed it and the newhire found it.
[23:29] <[rg]> var/log/apt/history.log
[23:30] <[rg]> however I notice, packages listed my not be in order installed
[23:30] <[rg]> thats why I am curios to official format
[23:31] <[rg]> oh wait
[23:32] <tomreyn> history.log lists actions requested, not actions taken, those are logged in term.log (same directory).
[23:32] <[rg]> maybe you still can
[23:33] <[rg]> seems only automatic gets flagged, order is still dubious
[23:33] <[rg]> tomreyn: term.log?
[23:33] <tomreyn> [rg]: yes?
[23:34] <[rg]> ok, cool
[23:34] <gyles19> Well, as that log grows like any other log, newest actions will be at the tail of the log file.
[23:35] <[rg]> gyles19: i am thinking of the order when a bunch of packages are installed at once
[23:35] <gyles19> The Requested-By: is when someone uses sudo to run the apt command that wrote to the log.
[23:35] <gyles19> rg: for that look in /var/log/dpkg.log*
[23:35] <gyles19> rg: and possibly in /var/log/installer/*
[23:36] <tomreyn> /var/log/installer/ is the initial installation
[23:37] <[rg]> dpkg.log is the same
[23:38] <[rg]> but i may have enough information for my script :)
[23:39] <sudo18> lo
[23:40] <[rg]> gday
[23:40] <sudo18> aussie?
[23:40] <[rg]> nope, canada
[23:40] <[rg]> just like saying that :P
[23:41] <sudo18> my birth mother was born in windsor ont.
[23:41] <sudo18> so, i'm half right?
[23:42] <[rg]> yeah
[23:42] <sudo18> k. just checking
[23:42] <[rg]> ngl wish I was in australia rn
[23:43] <[rg]> fun place to be
[23:43] <sudo18> why? that place is full of felons
[23:43] <tomreyn> please move any non support chat elsewhere, such as #ubuntu-offtopic. thanks.
[23:43] <[rg]> sorry
[23:43] <sudo18> aye aye captain chat
[23:44] <tomreyn> it's not a rule i just made up, see /topic
[23:44] <sudo18> i'll get right on it.
[23:52] <guiverc> !ot
[23:59] <anibic> !help