[03:02] <qman__> I created a VM with ubuntu-vm-builder, and now I want to move it to another server
[03:02] <qman__> is there anything special? where are the files stored?
[03:03] <patdk-lap> dunno
[03:03] <patdk-lap> it all depends how you built it :)
[03:03] <patdk-lap> generally just move the disk image, cow2? then the config, libvirt export?
[03:03] <qman__> sudo ubuntu-vm-builder kvm lucid --arch 'i386'  --mem '512'  --rootsize '10240'  --swapsize '512'  --kernel-flavour 'server'  --hostname 'omegarelay'  --domain 'home.hilltop.local'  --mirror 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu'  --components 'main,universe'  --addpkg 'openssh-server'  --name 'ryan'  --user 'ryan'  --pass 'ubuntu'  --ip '<IP_ADDRESS>'  --mask '<IP_ADDRESS>'  --net '<IP_ADDRESS>'  --bcast '<IP_ADDRESS>'  --gw '192
[03:03] <qman__> .168.1.1'  --dns '<IP_ADDRESS>'  --bridge 'br0'  --libvirt 'qemu:///system'
[03:04] <qman__> that's how I built it
[03:15] <qman__> ah, I see
[03:15] <qman__> it made a directory called ubuntu-kvm in the current directory
[03:16] <qman__> and a run.sh
[06:22] <goddard> i want to setup a php/apache server but no mysql
[07:06] <anepanal1ptos> can 32bit ubuntu see more than 4Go of ram?
[07:08] <blkperl> anepanal1ptos: no you should use 64bit ubuntu
[07:08] <anepanal1ptos> well, i RTFM'd it, and the answer is yes and no.
[07:09] <anepanal1ptos> gotta see if i have PAE
[07:09] <anepanal1ptos> yeah my problem is someone has compiled a shitty driver and it doesnt work with linux x64
[07:09] <anepanal1ptos> and woohoo i have pae
[09:42] <samba35> i have two lun /volume for iscsi 1st is regular iscsi (mpio) and another is sanboot while insallting ubuntu on sanboot volume/lun1 ,every thing was good but while installing grub it give error so and cant proceed to install grub ,how i should fix this issuse
[09:45] <RoyK> samba35: did you have both luns connected during install? the installer can sometimes be a bit confused and install grub in the wrong place. I've seen that happen. if that's what happens, try to disconnect all but one lun and reinstall
[09:46] <samba35> ok
[09:47] <samba35> when i was trying to install 2nd ubuntu installtion that time my 1st ubuntu was off
[09:47] <RoyK> but... was both iscsi luns connected?
[09:48] <samba35> i am trying to installed this on vmware
[09:48] <RoyK> and btw, aren't you using vmware for this? wouldn't a vmfs make things a bit easier?
[09:48] <samba35> point
[09:49] <samba35> how do i make vmfs to get installed grub ?
[09:49] <RoyK> vmfs doesn't care, but it's probably easier for the ubuntu installer to install on a virtual disk instead of handling iscsi itself
[09:50] <samba35> ic
[09:50] <samba35> how to fix this?
[09:51] <RoyK> I'd try to install as normal on vmfs
[09:51] <RoyK> single virtual drive
[09:51] <RoyK> expand as needed later
[09:51] <RoyK> you'd probably want to use lvm on top of that
[09:52] <samba35> sorry no idea of lvm
[09:52] <RoyK> well, never mind
[09:52] <RoyK> it's not needed, but makes things a bit easier to resize / reallocate space in linux later
[09:52] <RoyK> google it
[09:52] <samba35> learning lvm is complex ?
[09:53] <RoyK> no, it's easy
[09:53] <samba35> ok
[09:53] <samba35> ok thanks will get back to you
[09:53] <samba35> do you have any idea on dhcp options
[09:54] <RoyK> maybe...
[09:54] <samba35> i was trying tftp boot from dhcp server which option i have to use 66 and 67 ?
[09:55] <samba35> how do i test tftp server is running ,when i check the serice and netstat it say its working/running but when i tryed to telnet localhost port/service of tftpd it did not work
[09:56] <RoyK> telnet won't work, since tftp is udp
[09:56] <RoyK> tftp localhost
[09:56] <RoyK> get /somefile
[09:57] <RoyK> that file must exist, obviously
[09:57] <samba35> ok
[09:57] <RoyK> under the tftp root
[09:57] <samba35> telnet doesnt work on udp ports ?
[09:57] <RoyK> telnet uses tcp
[09:58] <samba35> ahh ok thank you adding for my knowledge
[09:58] <RoyK> you can use netcat or nmap to probe udp ports
[09:58] <RoyK> nmap is usually easiest
[09:58] <samba35> ok
[10:14] <samba35> brb
[11:40] <jeeves_moss> how do I setup my bind server to be a slave with no upstream replication to my windows servers?
[11:46] <vezq> jeeves_moss: slave or cache-only?
[11:48] <jeeves_moss> veq, I think it'll be a cache only, but in the future, I'd like to be able to dynamically update the Windows boxes with external dynamic clients.
[11:48] <jeeves_moss> vezq, is it simple, or a huge pain in the butt to make work?
[11:49] <vezq> vezq: cache-only is easy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto#Caching_Server_configuration
[11:50] <jeeves_moss> and allowing bidirectional dynamic updates?
[11:53] <vezq> jeeves_moss: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/275866 (funny place to find instructions) :)
[11:55] <jeeves_moss> vezq, lol  thanks.  I have a RADIUS server that will be taking care of some WiFi access points, and I would like to make sure that they dynamically update the DNS IP entries
[11:56] <vezq> jeeves_moss: ok, haven't done dynamic setup myself
[11:57] <jeeves_moss> vezq, neither have I, but I think it'll be a million times easier for administration when I have to deal with issues instead of looking up IPs, etc
[11:57] <vezq> jeeves_moss: yep sounds wise
[11:58] <jeeves_moss> vezq, I just need to make sure that things work.   But........
[11:59] <jeeves_moss> vezq, I'm just waiting for parts to arrive from ebay
[11:59] <vezq> vezq: what WiFi APs you are using?
[12:00] <vezq> meant jeeves_moss
[12:00] <jeeves_moss> vezq, it's a toss up right now if I should buy MikroTik APs or build up some Raspberry Pis with all the parts.  It's all the same price, but with the Raspberry Pis, I can do a lot more
[12:01] <vezq> jeeves_moss: will there be many APs?
[12:02] <jeeves_moss> vezq, if my marketing plan goes well, that's the hope
[12:02] <vezq> recommend to check out also this http://www.ubnt.com/unifi
[12:03] <jeeves_moss> vezq, free?
[12:03] <vezq> nope, just cheap with good features
[12:04] <jeeves_moss> vezq, thanks!  I'll have a look.  I was thinking using the MikroTik hardware, and a RADIUS backend
[12:05] <vezq> it has a nice management software which supports Ubuntu too
[12:05] <vezq> also supports RADIUS
[12:06] <jeeves_moss> vezq, I'll have a look.  My biggest issue right now is making sure I subnet the APs out correctly
[12:07] <jeeves_moss> vezq, and making sure that the DNS servers dynamically updates correctly
[14:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1094271 in autofs (main) "autofs missing directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094271
[16:53] <RoyK> samba35, the troubled iscsi master? ;)
[16:54] <samba35> no
[16:54] <RoyK> ;)
[16:54] <samba35> was playing till now
[16:55] <samba35> now googleing
[16:55] <samba35> thanks
[17:12] <lvmer> I can't seem to search a folder server-side with the find command, even though the folder is visible on my samba and I can search it in windows explore. $ find /share/pictures -name dscn
[17:13] <lvmer> does the find command not work within subfolders?
[17:13] <lvmer> I feel like it obviously has before
[17:15] <lvmer> nevermind there must have been a syntax error somewhere
[17:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1094310 in nova (main) "package nova-compute-kvm 2012.1.3+stable-20120827-4d2a4afe-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094310
[17:18] <lvmer> There does not appear to be a minidlna channel; so, is there a limit on the # of files minidlna can store in the database? I was trying to 'force-reload' a music folder with 65,000 & it keeps stopping at 9443, and it doesn't even bother to get the image files at all.
[17:21] <lvmer> How do I increase the Inotify max_user_watches for minidlna?
[17:23] <RoyK> lvmer: it's probably in /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches
[17:24] <lvmer> royk: and I can change that permanently in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[17:25] <lvmer> by just adding fs.inotify.max_user_watches =  #
[17:25] <RoyK> yes
[17:25] <lvmer> royk: default seems to be 8192, what exactly does this change? folder update notifications?
[17:44] <lvmer> I can't seem to get minidlna to get picture files. There is no mention of an error in the log file for the pictures directory. It just seems to ignore it
[17:44] <lvmer> as far as I can tell everything is spelled correctly
[17:48] <lvmer> is it possible to have more than 1 media directory?
[17:48] <lvmer> it seems anything after #1 is ignored
[17:48] <lvmer> media_dir=A,/share/music media_dir=P,/share/pictures media_dir=V,/share/pictures media_dir=V,/share/movies media_dir=V,/share/tv
[18:20] <mikeroth> I'm having an issue with security groups in eucalyptus can anyone help?
[18:52] <Plizzo> Hello, I have an issue with my server and I'm afraid my SSD is broken. Anyone care to hear me out? :)
[18:52] <TheLordOfTime> nope.  not individually, just ask your real questions in the channel.
[18:54] <Plizzo> I have a server running 11.10. My system and all swap partitions are on the SSD but all storage etc is done to a RAID5 volume. I'm trying to transfer a 12MB file to my SSD but it keeps telling me it doesn't want to write and that the disk is full. Although, when I run "df -Th" I can't see the disk in the output
[18:55] <Plizzo> So I'm afraid that my SSD has somehow broken, and that if I reboot I cant start again
[18:55] <Plizzo> Is there another command I could use, because I can't seem to check if the disk is full or not
[18:57] <_ruben> Plizzo: how about df -i, perhaps you ran out of inodes?
[18:57] <Plizzo> _ruben: I tried running multiple commands, but neither of them display my system partition
[18:58] <Plizzo> _ruben: What else can I do, should I start a dd to an image on my RAID?
[18:58] <_ruben> oh, i missed the part it missing from the output
[18:59] <_ruben> does it show in 'mount' ?
[18:59] <_ruben> anything odd in 'dmesg' ?
[18:59] <Plizzo> Do I just type "mount"? (without quotations=
[18:59] <_ruben> yeah
[18:59] <maco> yep
[19:00] <maxb> And you might want to pastebin the full result of mount, just to provide extra context on your system's filesystem setup.
[19:00] <maxb> !pastebin
[19:00] <Plizzo> This is what mount gives me:
[19:00] <Plizzo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1473739/
[19:00] <Plizzo> My SDD is /dev/sdb, but only sdb1 is mounted, and that's /boot
[19:01] <_ruben> line 1 shows / being mounted
[19:01] <_ruben> pastbin df -h and df -i as well
[19:02] <Plizzo> df -h: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1473742/, df -i: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1473744/
[19:03] <_ruben> / is full
[19:03] <_ruben> 100% use
[19:03] <Plizzo> In see that now, I actually misstook the first entry :/
[19:03] <Plizzo> Is there a smart way to check where all space is?
[19:04] <_ruben> i tend to use ncdu for that, but that's not installed by default
[19:04] <Plizzo> And my disk is full so I can't install it
[19:04] <_ruben> might need to free up some space before being able to install it
[19:04] <_ruben> yeah :)
[19:04] <Plizzo> hehe, yep
[19:04] <Plizzo> On it!
[19:05] <_ruben> check for old kernels .. those tend to pile up and take a fair chunk of space
[19:06] <_ruben> and /var/log might be a good start as well, logs can grow fast unexpectedly, i always put them on a seprate lv/partition
[19:07] <Plizzo> _ruben: I'm checking logs, but the syslog is just about 12MB etc, and the others are way lower
[19:07] <Plizzo> _ruben: I have the webserver on the raid, so that's not it
[19:07] <Plizzo> _ruben: Maybe the Plex database has somehow expanded weirdly
[19:10] <Plizzo> found it!
[19:10] <Plizzo> The plex Media server log is 41GB....
[19:10] <Plizzo> What the hell...
[19:12] <Plizzo> _ruben: Is there some way to limit file sizes?
[19:18] <Plizzo> _ruben: You on?
[19:19] <Plizzo> I've removed the file that was clogging the file system, but df -h still shows 100% used
[19:22] <Plizzo> Everything works again, thanks guys! :)
[19:51] <_ruben> Plizzo: plex probably had the file still open :)
[19:51] <Plizzo> _ruben: Yeah, I noticed that I had a debug setting checked in PMS which is why it was filling up the file so badly
[19:52] <Plizzo> _ruben: It debug logged all transcoding as well :P
[19:52] <_ruben> limiting filesizes isn't a trivial task afaik, one usually uses logrotate software to limit the growing
[19:53] <triton_> Hello
[19:53] <triton_> I was wondering if anybody here is familiar enough with iptables and networking, I am trying to figure out a port forwarding problem.
[19:54] <thufir_> I installed 12.04 a while back, then added lxfe and ruby rvm.  now some rvm gems won't build, missing dependencies. is there anything weird about ubuntu server which would cause that?  or, just broken packages?
[19:54] <_ruben> triton_: try asking the actual question(s) :)
[19:56] <triton_> Ok, so I have 3 remote installations, each one uses the same ubuntu OS as a firewall, router, nat.  I needed to forward ports from inside the local network to the Internet. On 2 installations out of 3 it worked (same exact configurations) on 1 I can't open the port forwarding though the iptables rules are the same.
[19:56] <triton_> I am looking for some hint on how to analyze a problem where I am trying to do port forwarding and it's not doing the job though iptables have the rules, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is 1, /etc/hosts.allow and hosts.deny only deal with sshd and not these ports (44,55)
[19:58] <_ruben> triton_: 1st step, do sudo iptables-save -c and see if those rules ever got matches (as in, are not showing [0:0])
[19:59] <triton_> Is it against the rules to paste output of such commands in the channel?
[19:59] <thufir_> how do I install xfce onto ubuntu server?  I have lxde but cannot seem to get xfce.
[19:59] <triton_> pastebin?
[19:59] <_ruben> triton_: pastebin indeed
[20:01] <triton_> _ruben: http://pastebin.com/db3AvqQs
[20:03] <thufir_> triton_: on the cli, you can say "cat foo.txt | pastebinit" and it will do it for you, automagically :)
[20:04] <triton_> thufir_ : crazy stuff!
[20:04] <thufir_> triton_: :)
[20:05] <thufir_> triton_: you might have to install something to get that to work, just takes a sec, tho.
[20:05] <triton_> yeah, it's not installed here, wants me to apt-get install.
[20:06] <_ruben> triton_: use tcpdump/wireshark/etc to determine where things go wrong, could be the dnat itslef, or the reply traffic for instance
[20:07] <_ruben> triton_: and i assume you're not testing from the box itself?
[20:07] <triton_> _ruben: no, I am not testing from the box
[20:08] <_ruben> ok, good
[20:08] <triton_> _ruben: but what about that iptables output, it had [73:4384] and [4:228], not 0:0
[20:08] <_ruben> and you do can reach <IP_ADDRESS>:44/55 from that box
[20:09] <_ruben> those are packet/byte counters .. when it says 0:0, that rule never matched any packets
[20:09] <triton_> _ruben: yes, the video camera is reachable from the ubuntu box that is the router, I can even vnc and view the camera output while on that machine
[20:09] <_ruben> ok
[20:10] <_ruben> depending on your network layout, it could be a case of triangle routing, where the return traffic from the camera is going through the box running iptables
[20:12] <triton_> _ruben: well, yes, one thing I cannot confirm is the physical layout of anything in either of those 3 installations. The only thing I know that IS different in this case is that they have some sort of a repeater in the LAN because in that location the cameras are so far away (more than 40 meters I think) and they couldn't get this to work without another powered switch or repeater somewhere...
[20:12] <triton_> ...in the middle
[20:14] <triton_> though I thought that if I can already view the output from camera on the machine itself, the repeater in the middle is probably nothing of consequence?
[20:20] <triton_> ok, thanks
[20:22] <_ruben> triton_: doubt that as well .. done any sniffing yet with tcpdump/wireshark/... ?
[20:24] <triton_> _ruben: looking with tcpdump
[20:26] <triton_> _ruben: well, I can see with tcpdump -n -e -ttt -i eth1 that when I hit the box, it is actually forwarding from the external IP to the <IP_ADDRESS>:44
[20:29] <triton_> _ruben: http://pastebin.com/3AN4Pk79  - this is what tcpdump is telling me
[20:30] <triton_> _ruben: and I replaced my IP with 'my.own.ip.address' though :)
[20:32] <_ruben> triton_: is <IP_ADDRESS> reachable through eth0 by any chance? in that case it's the MASQ rule interfering
[20:35] <triton_> _ruben: that would be strange, the eth0 is the Internet nic.  I do have that rule though: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE (but in all 3 installations)
[20:36] <triton_> I am going to drop that rule, see what happens
[20:37] <triton_> _ruben: no, the address isn't reachable through eth0 and without the masq rule nothing really changed (for the forwarding)
[20:38] <_ruben> wonder why it shows up with external ip then
[20:39] <_ruben> triton_: try sudo iptables -t raw -I PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 44:55 -j TRACE .. that should give detailed logging as to which rules are being matched
[20:41] <triton_> _ruben: I guess I missed something, how does it show with external ip?  tcpdump shows: my-ip-address.54354 > <IP_ADDRESS>.44, that's all where it shows.  But this: <IP_ADDRESS>.34239 > <IP_ADDRESS>.1900 I don't understand.
[20:42] <longdays> I have a logrotate question. Tomcat is configure to rotate catalina logs daily but it does not compress them. I want logrotate to compress these old log files if they are found. I have found that I can do this with the size parameter, but I would rather do it based on a time stamp older than when the log rotate was last run. is this possible?
[20:42] <_ruben> triton_: that's traffic originated by the camera itself, probably looking for upnp stuff
[20:43] <triton_> _ruben: I wonder.. maybe upnp should be turned off
[20:43] <_ruben> triton_: perhaps, but it shouldnt interfere with the actual probloem
[20:44] <triton_> _ruben: so I added that iptables trace line
[20:46] <_ruben> triton_: also, not much sane can be said about this without knowing the exact network layout (interfaces, subnets, etc)
[20:48] <triton_> _ruben: that's true. There are 4 computers, 1 is the ubuntu machine, 3 others are local network, all windows xp. There are 4 cameras (the 10.100 is the master and thus server). The ubuntu machine is the gateway. The ip addresses are all assigned statically.
[20:49] <triton_> it's a small store actually
[20:51] <_ruben> triton_: xp machines are in <IP_ADDRESS>/24 as well? and if so, why use port forwarding? :)
[20:51] <triton_> I guess the weird part is only that 2 others are fine, forwarding, translating with the same iptables rules and settings
[20:52] <triton_> _ruben: the xp machines are <IP_ADDRESS>, .11, .12, yes.  Why not use port forwarding?  What's  a better way?
[20:53] <_ruben> triton_: if they're in the same subnet, why not connect directly to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[20:54] <triton_> _ruben: oh, but the camera is supposed to be visible to the outside.  The port 44 allows viewing what's happening inside the store from a browser (with some activex or java applet) and port 55 allows the same for a smartphoen
[20:55] <triton_> _ruben: you are right, when they connect to the camera on any one of the windows machines inside for example, they just go to the local address of the camera and it works
[20:55] <_ruben> triton_: do you want to reach those cams from those xp boxes or from outside that netwrk?
[20:56] <triton_> _ruben: from the outside, the inside is not important at all
[20:56] <_ruben> ah ok
[20:56] <triton_> they can see what's happening inside without cameras : ) it's a small store, maybe 100 square meters.
[20:57] <_ruben> hehe
[20:57] <triton_> it's like a security service, when you have a few stores in one network, then it makes sense
[20:58] <_ruben> triton_: one possibility, is the default gateway configured correctly on the camera?
[20:58] <triton_> I have to check on that.  I'll try
[21:02] <triton_> _ruben: I'll have to ask the service guy who installed this for some credentials to get into the admin interface, I only can get as far as using vnc now to open a browser on that ubuntu machine and hit the <IP_ADDRESS> :44 (this does give me a correct response) but I don't know how to administer the cameras without camera server credentials.
[21:03] <triton_> _ruben: thank you for all the help that you provided really
[21:03] <triton_> I think it's time for me to ask somebody who is physically there to help out
[21:03] <triton_> it's another country :)
[21:05] <triton_> _ruben: I only build and supply store and chain management software, supply chain management, resource planning and such.  They asked me to help them with the cameras and I was able to in other stores, but this one is giving me too much headache
[21:07] <triton_> it's also crazy funny (or not) to observe immediately attempts by some hostile machines to break into the vnc session that I opened temporarily via ssh. It's crazy how infested the Internet is
[21:11] <_ruben> hehe, yeah
[21:16] <triton_> Ok, have a good day, night, morning or evening!
[21:16] <triton_> bye
[21:25] <cwillu> for future reference, if one is using ssh to start a vnc server, one might as well tunnel the vnc connection through ssh as well
[21:26] <cwillu> friends don't let friends send keystrokes over the internet unencrypted
[22:28] <jak2000> hi all
[22:30] <jak2000> here my partitions: http://pastebin.com/bwtLzf7t   when i try access to: cd /var/lib/mysql show me a Error Message: "Permission Deneied"  i try with: sudo cd /var/lib/mysql   but show me thesee rror: sudo: cd: command not found   why? need format or unmount or? thanks
[22:49] <TheLordOfTime> any way to pin a package from autoupgrading?
[22:50] <TheLordOfTime> i.e. i have to either dist-upgrade or install [package] to force it to upgrade
[22:50] <TheLordOfTime> or in other words, is there a way to hold back a package when i do apt-get upgrade


[00:30] <rick_h_> grrr u-verse
[00:30] <rick_h_> blocking github isn't a good way to make me happy
[00:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: did you get anywhere with watchdog?
[00:34] <wickedpz> hi
[00:34] <rick_h_> hey wickedpz
[00:35] <wickedpz> How are you rick_h_?
[00:35] <Blazeix> haha: https://plus.google.com/u/0/114476892281222708332/posts/246srfbqg6G
[00:36] <rick_h_> wickedpz: party
[00:36] <wickedpz> Checkout the work weve done to my sixties Oldsmobile Toronado: http://postimage.org/gallery/bsnh5k8/
[00:37] <rick_h_> Blazeix: heh, interesting. We'll see I guess
[00:37] <wickedpz> there's something slightly different with this one.
[00:42] <rick_h_> had a nice pull request for bookie today woot!
[00:42] <rick_h_> first fork/work out of all that trffic
[00:56] <derekv> so some previous owner had stapled cardboard all over the roof of the garage
[00:56] <derekv> finally got around to taking it all down
[00:57] <derekv> it was a hell of a lot of cardboard
[00:57] <derekv> and corrigated plastic signs from some golf event
[00:57] <rick_h_> nice
[00:58] <derekv> i'm not sure what he was thinking
[00:58] <derekv> but whatever it was he was trying to accomplish, stapling cardboard and signage can't have been the correct solution
[00:59] <derekv> but he sure did spend a long time doing it
[00:59] <derekv> i'm not even done yet have to break down most of it yet
[01:12] <derekv> ok now i'm bored with niel armstrong tweets
[01:12] <derekv> hell i'd be tired of it if he was my dad
[01:13] <rick_h_> yea, between that and the samsung stuff I want to shut twitter down for a bit
[01:13] <derekv> right
[01:19] <wickedpz> hows it going rick/derekv
[01:19] <derekv> i need to eat
[01:19] <derekv> i ate around noon
[01:19] <derekv> then i was too gross/dirty to want to eat
[01:20] <derekv> ... i'll stop there
[01:23] <wickedpz> hmm
[03:00] <derekv> maybe I shouldn't do that.
[03:04] <greg-g> man, I forgot how awesome redshift is
[04:20] <snap-l> Evening
[04:20] <snap-l> greg-g: The electronic band?
[04:20] <snap-l> rick_h_: We printed up a set of Cards Against Humanity over at Staples
[04:21] <snap-l> it's not quite the same as a deck of cards, but it works
[05:20] <greg-g> snap-l: no, the app that adds more red to your display as the night goes on, to help your eyes
[07:44] <derekv> so , when playing cards agaist humanity
[07:44] <derekv> don't read the cards you have once before you read them out loud
[07:44] <derekv> if you read them over once, you can say them with a poker face and its boring
[07:45] <derekv> if you say them out loud as you look at them for the first time its different
[11:27] <brousch> Whew, barcampgr is done
[11:28] <brousch> Back to normal now
[11:31] <rick_h_> hah, how did it go brousch ?
[11:32] <brousch> Really well
[11:32] <brousch> 150 people Friday night
[11:33] <brousch> Maybe 100 on Saturday
[11:33] <brousch> A lot of good talks
[11:33] <brousch> So much going on I had no time to even tweet
[14:34] <snap-l> brousch: That's awesome
[14:35] <snap-l> greg-g: Ah, was wondering if there was someone else who knew of redshift. :)
[14:50] <brousch> I think the online session board pushed Dreamhost to the limits this year. We had at least threee times where it seized up for 5 minutes
[15:46] <rick_h_> brousch: web site killer!
[15:48] <brousch> Yeah, I need to do a lot of rework for next year
[15:48] <brousch> Actually worry about scaling a bit
[15:57] <rick_h_> moar hardware less talky talk :P
[16:11] <brousch> eh?
[16:19] <rick_h_> scaling via hardware vs optimizing
[16:37] <brousch> I think memcache would make a big difference
[20:48] <brousch> Have those darn nextyearvideos posted yet?
[21:14] <rick_h_> nope...
[22:04] <snap-l> Well, just had fun dislodging a rat from under our deck
[22:04] <snap-l> THat was fun.
[22:08] <jjesse> sounds gross
[22:08] <brousch> send in the dogs
[22:39] <snap-l> It wsa gross
[22:59] <brousch> Terriers were made for that
[22:59] <brousch> Sorry, bred for that
[23:42] <rick_h_> http://blog.mitechie.com/2012/08/26/bookie-0-4-one-week-retrospective/ phew


[17:40] <jmgalloway> I am having trouble registering node controllers
[17:41] <jmgalloway> I cant get them to list on the cloud controller after being discovered by the cluster controller
[19:14] <SpamapS> smoser: you know what would be an awesome use of the landscape cloud stuff / cloud10 ? If I could, in a bug report, grant the user the rights to run a node of any AMI for 1 hour.
[19:15] <SpamapS> Like "can you repeat that with a fresh install of lucid? Here's 1 lucid node .. go"
[19:16] <smoser> SpamapS, i suggested this in the discussion about awstrial and was suprised that no one else found it a good idea.
[19:16] <smoser> especially for "can you reproduce this on the development release"
[19:17] <SpamapS> smoser: even a button on each bug that says "I want to try and repeat this bug" that takes you to an appropriate VM.
[19:17] <smoser> as, i think that question is almost absurd for an end user... "Can you re-install your operating system and try this thing that maybe doesn't even boot for you"
[19:17] <smoser> :)
[19:18] <SpamapS> If we can't do it on cloud10, even just a hook into vmbuilder would be pretty cool.. ;)  vmbuilder --bug 559033
[19:18] <smoser> SpamapS, yeah, i really think something like that woudlbe valuable.  A similar thing is doable with testdrive, but with ec2 you dont have to download anything
[19:18] <smoser> how vmbuilder ?
[19:18] <SpamapS> well you'd end up with a vm that starts up with the offending package installed. ;)
[19:19] <SpamapS> (I just discovered vmbuilder 2 days ago btw.. I may not understand its full power ;)
[19:23] <smoser> SpamapS, well as far as ease of use goes, i would recommend testdrive over vm-builder
[19:23] <smoser> test drive - > launch instance -> apt-get intsall ...
[19:24] <SpamapS> never used testdrive, but maybe its what I should be using instead of fighting with vmbuilder
[19:24] <smoser> vm-builder -> some long command line set -> lots of image building , downloading -> boot instance.
[19:24] <smoser> testdrive just boots the isos, but does so very easily
[19:25] <smoser> if you want to "testdrive" a server install, i suggest the UEC images and booting them in kvm
[19:25] <smoser> testdrive (maybe in natty now) has support for uec images as things to 'test drive'
[20:36] <jmgalloway> does the uec node controller have to have vt extensions on the CPU?
[20:48] <jmgalloway> anyone know why when I update max_cores, I dont see an increase in vm's I can launch on the cloud controller?
[20:52] <Makere> so when I shutdown nodes/controllers, what happens to VM's?
[20:53] <jmgalloway> their process stops execution
[20:53] <Makere> jmgalloway: VT is needed
[20:53] <jmgalloway> yeah, I was just hoping to use some older computers for nodes...
[20:54] <jmgalloway> I still dont understand about the max_cores not updating
[20:54] <Makere> can't help with that
[20:54] <Makere> reboot/waiting solves alot
[20:55] <jmgalloway> I tried rebooting the entire cloud, restarting nc, cc, and eucalyptus....doesnt update
[20:55] <Makere> I'd look it up for you but I broke my right index finger and typing with one hand is a bit time consuming
[20:56] <jmgalloway> I had it working before
[20:56] <Makere> did you try clean start with cc?
[20:56] <jmgalloway> seems like you just update the variable then restart the services and it works
[20:56] <jmgalloway> hmm
[20:56] <jmgalloway> let me try that
[20:58] <jmgalloway> tried, didnt work
[20:58] <jmgalloway> #MAX_MEM=2048
[20:58] <jmgalloway> #MAX_CORES="8"
[20:58] <jmgalloway> #MAX_DISK="100"
[20:58] <Makere> you need to set max_cores on all NC's
[20:58] <jmgalloway> that's the eucalyptus.conf of the node controllers
[20:59] <Makere> and remove the #
[20:59] <jmgalloway> lol! wow
[20:59] <jmgalloway> thanks
[20:59] <Makere> :)
[20:59] <Makere> np
[20:59] <jmgalloway> I was searching everywhere!
[20:59] <Makere> lol
[20:59] <Makere> # is for comment
[20:59] <Makere> they've been commented out
[20:59] <jmgalloway> yeah...lol
[21:00] <jmgalloway> y
[21:00] <Makere> what is the max_cores supposed to do?
[21:00] <Makere> rather new to uec
[21:01] <jmgalloway> if you change that variable on the node controllers...it will increase the number of vm's you can execute on the node controllers cpu
[21:01] <jmgalloway> kvm allows for 8*#of physical cores
[21:01] <Makere> so dual core can run 16 VM's?
[21:02] <Makere> thanks, this seems to be something useful
[21:02] <jmgalloway> yes but be careful..make sure you leave cpu power for the underlying os
[21:03] <Makere> would be cooler if you could set that on cc instead of needing to set it on all nc's
[21:03] <jmgalloway> I have dual core cpus..I run 4 vm's per physical core
[21:03] <jmgalloway> I know
[21:04] <jmgalloway> well you could just dd a hard drive and put it in a lot of node controllers...everything setup then
[21:05] <jmgalloway> what kind of setup do you have for your cloud?
[21:06] <jmgalloway> i have a build for adding node controllers for around $400 each.. quad core intel, 4GB ram, 320GB hds.. able to run 16 vm's
[21:08] <Makere> doing a school project
[21:08] <Makere> got around 60 comps for short period of time
[21:08] <Makere> first settings up everythin with around 10 comps
[21:08] <jmgalloway> 60 cool
[21:08] <Makere> 2 cluster controllers
[21:09] <Makere> one clc (that has walrus)
[21:09] <Makere> CC's have storage controllers also
[21:09] <Makere> might be adding more CC's
[21:09] <jmgalloway> I have one clc, one walrus, one cc/sc, and two node controllers
[21:10] <jmgalloway> I am only able to run 16 vm's right now
[21:10] <Makere> kinda just have had only trouble with the cloud
[21:10] <jmgalloway> the cloud?
[21:10] <jmgalloway> cloud controller?
[21:10] <Makere> mostly getting VM's running
[21:11] <Makere> but it's all fine now
[21:11] <jmgalloway> have you tried hybridfox?
[21:11] <Makere> yes we use it
[21:11] <jmgalloway> It seems sketchy...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt
[21:11] <Makere> had trouble getting bundled images to run, and storage images are crap
[21:11] <Makere> hybridfox works nice after you restart it couple times
[21:12] <Makere> like if you get an error, close the tab and open new obe
[21:12] <Makere> one
[21:12] <Makere> the comps we got are C2D E6300 and 4Gigs RAM
[21:12] <jmgalloway> yeah, I have problems with the keys and permissions using hybridfox.  It will launch vm's but wont let me connect to them even though I use the key it made for me
[21:13] <jmgalloway> 60 of those?
[21:13] <Makere> yes
[21:13] <Makere> around 60
[21:13] <Makere> +/-5
[21:13] <jmgalloway> I have 6 total machines
[21:14] <jmgalloway> I am writing a front end for my cloud...since everything I'm building is hosted on a private network(s) I have to give users that are not attached to my private network the ability to launch vm's
[21:16] <jmgalloway> php is running on my cloud controller..communicates in the browser with the WAN users and spawns vm's with a gui interface.  it has to keep up with ports and update the iptables since I only have one WAN address
[21:18] <Makere> sounds nice
[21:19] <Makere> with that amount of machines, why don't you integrate CLC/CC/Walrus?
[21:19] <Makere> then you could have second storage controller and 2 more nodes
[21:19] <jmgalloway> I want it to be fully scalable
[21:20] <jmgalloway> which it would be..but making them work with different physical machines is more interesting than combining them together.
[21:20] <jmgalloway> does the sc and cc still have to be on the same box?
[21:20] <Makere> trnope
[21:20] <Makere> nope*
[21:20] <Makere> atleast I think
[21:20] <Makere> :D
[21:20] <jmgalloway> I thought it did in euca 1.6...I'm using ubuntu 10.10 and euca 2.0
[21:21] <Makere> well it can be
[21:21] <jmgalloway> yeah, mine are combined
[21:21] <Makere> as I say, rather new to this
[21:21] <jmgalloway> sc/cc
[21:21] <jmgalloway> open eucalyptus doesnt natively support windows images either
[21:21] <jmgalloway> but it can be done
[21:22] <jmgalloway> all of my vm's are linux, single core, 256mb ram
[21:22] <Makere> you planning to run the cloud for a long time?
[21:22] <jmgalloway> until I graduate
[21:22] <jmgalloway> 2 years possible
[21:24] <Makere> I think you should be able to put storage controller and cc to 2 diff machines
[21:24] <Makere> but just reading in between lines
[21:24] <Makere> of ubuntu instructions
[21:24] <Makere> CC needs a storage controller
[21:24] <Makere> but it can be on other pc afaik
[21:25] <jmgalloway> the one thing I'm not sure about is how to make persistent storage that is mounted automatically for users when they launch vm's
[21:25] <Makere> create storage volumes and script to launch vm?
[21:25] <Makere> one that launches vm and mounts the volume
[21:26] <Makere> or perhaps launches vm, creates volume and mounts it
[21:26] <jmgalloway> I need to look into that
[21:26] <jmgalloway> also, I need to look into quotas
[21:26] <jmgalloway> so a single user cant spawn enough vm's to use all resources
[21:27] <Makere> ye
[21:27] <Makere> I'm in rather tight schedule so I try avoid completely custom solutions
[21:27] <jmgalloway> In my setup, users will not be able to spawn vm's by command line
[21:27] <jmgalloway> yeah
[21:27] <jmgalloway> I have 2 years haha
[21:27] <jmgalloway> or 1.5 years to go
[21:28] <Makere> I think we have like 4 weeks left
[21:28] <jmgalloway> oh cool.  is your cloud interface public?
[21:28] <Makere> nope
[21:28] <Makere> it's a school project
[21:28] <jmgalloway> mine is...although I just threw together a front end web site
[21:28] <Makere> we need to figure out if it's useful to teach cloud to students
[21:29] <Makere> got like less than 2 months in total to get everything setup, demo'ed, written documents etc
[21:29] <jmgalloway> sure it is, its compatible with aws
[21:29] <Makere> really tight schedule
[21:29] <jmgalloway> are you working in a group?
[21:29] <Makere> group of 4
[21:29] <jmgalloway> ah cool.  I'm doing this all alone
[21:30] <Makere> not to sound cocky, but I seem to be the only one knowing wtf were doing
[21:30] <jmgalloway> there's a lot to wrap your head around to administrate a cloud setup
[21:30] <Makere> meaning I do almost everything
[21:30] <Makere> and teach others lol
[21:31] <Makere> naw the other guy gets around too
[21:31] <Makere> but the other 2
[21:31] <Makere> gah
[21:31] <jmgalloway> my advisor is teaching a cloud class in the spring, and she's using this cloud in the class
[21:31] <jmgalloway> I have to lock it down
[21:31] <Makere> I would need to walk them thru by hand
[21:31] <Makere> hehe
[21:31] <Makere> remember to make lot's of security groups
[21:32] <jmgalloway> well i really just need two security groups..one for me, and one for everyone else
[21:32] <Makere> can you change the security groups between machines after launching them?
[21:32] <Makere> atleast hybrid fox didn't seem able
[21:33] <jmgalloway> I dont know.  I am going for a custom interface that gives the user a gui..so they click to launch vm's, not caring about how it launches or security groups..they will just have access to the vm
[21:33] <Makere> heh ok
[21:33] <Makere> I'm off to bed, night
[21:33] <jmgalloway> php will generate the script to launch the vm, vm size, security groups, etc
[21:33] <jmgalloway> later
[21:33] <Makere> we got a blog @ silvercloud.wordpress.com if you want to see how our project is doing
[21:34] <Makere> sorrt
[21:34] <Makere> sorry
[21:34] <Makere> silvercloudproject.wordpress.com
[21:35] <Makere> (some blatant advertising :)
[21:44] <jmgalloway> ok cool


[01:20] <Bashing-om> TJ-: IRT tachyondecay dmesg - line 277 " Calgary: Unable to locate Rio Grande table in EBDA - bailing!" .. I see this a lot . What is the significance ?
[01:31] <TJ-> It's an IOMMU in some Intel chipsets, used in IBM x series
[01:33] <Bashing-om> TJ-: K; then "bailing!" is nothing to be upset about .
[01:35] <TJ-> correct, it's built-in and is just looking for the tables that define the IOMMU. doesn't find them, so 'bails' out - doesn't stay in memory
[05:35] <daftykins> nn all! \o
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:28] <OerHeks> no bananas today!
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:30]  * lotuspsychje prays for regular users
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> !info nmap
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/after-wireshark-2-0-nmap-7-free-network-scanner-is-finally-here-496455.shtml
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: !! good morning
[06:57] <cfhowlett> heyo lotuspsychje
[11:58] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[18:39] <EriC^^> daftykins: o/
[18:41] <daftykins> hello there, how're we all doing today? :)
[18:41] <OerHeks> are we ready for the weekend madness?
[18:42] <daftykins> never!
[18:42] <EriC^^> daftykins: good good, yourself?
[18:42] <EriC^^> let the madness begin!
[18:42] <daftykins> but we'll stumble through :) very friendly customer just then i see
[18:42] <daftykins> yes thanks, just picked up a nice new jacket today, so i'm all set for winter now :)
[18:43] <daftykins> still some time to wait to get the new LCD for that LG Nexus 5 phone i'm fixing up, i love fixing things :)
[18:43] <EriC^^> awesome
[18:43] <daftykins> i don't think you were here when i was linking that?
[18:43] <EriC^^> nope
[18:43] <EriC^^> do link
[18:43] <daftykins> http://techblo.gg/stuff/n5.jpeg
[18:44] <daftykins> a friend has had it for months at home sat doing nothing, with the hugely smashed screen
[18:44] <EriC^^> ouch
[18:44] <daftykins> http://techblo.gg/stuff/n5-2.jpg
[18:46] <EriC^^> wow it's pretty banged up
[18:46] <OerHeks> kept in backpocket on a bicycle?
[18:48] <daftykins> nah, he's an aircraft engineer, had to keep it on him when working alone in a hangar away from the company offices. For some reason he did a job lying down with it in his back pocket, so that caused a first smash to the glass upper left; but then he kept using it
[18:48] <daftykins> essentially he was skating around on top of it, full body weight >_<
[18:49] <daftykins> but £26 from Hong Kong on ebay for a new full screen, glass, digitiser and front case portion - a brief component swap and it should be back in business :D
[18:49] <daftykins> i've got a Nexus 4 so i may even switch to using it myself
[18:51] <EriC^^> it's very slim
[18:52] <EriC^^> how does it not have buttons on the front though? it's in the lcd itself?
[18:52] <EriC^^> like you slide to unlock then you get buttons at the bottom to navigate and stuff?
[18:53] <daftykins> yep, soft buttons as they call 'em now
[18:53] <daftykins> means that they can change icon to change purpose and be hidden during fullscreen content playback etc
[18:56] <EriC^^> oh, cool
[20:41] <Yaiyan> First thing I do after a new install is to open Firefox, download Chrome and replace Firefox with Chrome everywhere :l
[20:41] <daftykins> ok
[20:41] <Yaiyan> Once that's done I can start playing with Ubuntu-Chrome =)
[20:42] <daftykins> you were wholly wrong about the unit discussion by the way, i'd appreciate if you didn't tread all over my assistance in future
[20:42] <Yaiyan> ok
[20:52] <OerHeks> daf noelia does not understand thatwifi speed is something different than cable,  30 mb sounds not bad to me.. how do we find out it is not 30mbit ?
[20:55] <OerHeks> nvm ..
[20:56] <daftykins> i had hoped an answer on that would be forthcoming, but i think given it's this problematic realtek adapter and heavily out of date, we've got to wait for that first :)
[22:03] <daftykins> note to self, STOP trying to help 3 people at once
[22:03] <daftykins> only confusion can result :)
[22:09] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Uh Huh ^ .. problem such as that is compounded working a couple of forums ( while waiting ) . There are those times when I too stress myself out .
[22:10] <daftykins> oh the pace of forums must make it 10x worse too, having to re-read before progressing?
[22:11] <Bashing-om> Yeah, not (RE-)reading has bitten me bad a time or 2 . And then tunnel vision is my worse fault .
[22:14] <Bashing-om> Looks like I am about caught up.. will try and lessen your load daftykins .
[22:14] <daftykins> thanks :) which user do you fancy taking?
[22:15] <daftykins> BottomNotch seems to have tried to install xfce and now gets 'low graphics mode' on boot
[22:15] <daftykins> then "ich_" i think has heavily modified an install already to try and get it working and left it useless
[22:17] <Bashing-om> I thouhgt you had both of those under control . Awaiting them to get the systems up-2-date.
[22:19] <daftykins> looks like one has a system that won't comply and the other one is offline when at a TTY so can't fix >_<
[22:22] <OerHeks> Some considder that as trolling, keeping volunteers buzzy by not telling all important info, as a merry-go-round
[22:22] <OerHeks> for days now ..
[22:25] <Bashing-om> Our crystal balls have cracks, we do not see clearly .
[22:26] <daftykins> :( always odd when they keep the key component to the end
[22:26] <OerHeks> All power i need, is to realise i don't have to give support allone ;-) and be able to walk away
[22:26] <OerHeks> but it surely is misty sometimes
[22:27] <daftykins> that guy with the killer wireless, i remember they weren't supported not long ago - wonder if it's changed yet
[22:27] <daftykins> i think the ath10k driver for a specific atheros model was still in development
[22:28] <daftykins> i'm gonna keep my hands off that one though :D
[22:35] <OerHeks> hmm i notice a lot of www.askubuntu-com.pw in google, not an official ubuntu site, is it?
[22:36] <daftykins> not seen that one
[23:47] <Ben64> $ whois www.askubuntu-com.pw
[23:47] <Ben64> DOMAIN NOT FOUND
[23:59] <daftykins> i don't understand why my chown command in channel didn't work for others but works fine for me


[00:23] <sbeattie> nagappan: no, I don't believe so, as plymouth acts as the I/O intermediary between the system and whatever interface (text console/graphic splash) presents it.
[00:24] <sbeattie> nagappan: are you using beta 1 or the daily iso snapshot to try your install?
[00:27] <sbeattie> nagappan: slangasek might be able to give you more guidance about bug 552393
[00:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 552393 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Installing Ubuntu 10.04 through Ilo interface doesn't seem to work (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552393
[00:42] <nagappan> sbeattie, sorry was away, I'm using beta1
[00:44] <nagappan> sbeattie, sure, let me ping slangasek
[00:44] <nagappan> hello slangasek
[00:47] <slangasek> nagappan: hi - can you please test with a daily image?  plymouth has changed substantially since beta1, and I don't think it's going to benefit us to try to debug this failure with the beta image directly
[00:48] <nagappan> slangasek, sure, let me download the daily image now
[00:49] <slangasek> you may well run into *other* problems with the daily image that prevent you completing an install; but at least this lets us rule out plymouth
[01:27] <nagappan> ah ! slangasek left :)
[01:40] <nagappan> slangasek, http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454959018502120402
[01:40] <nagappan> slangasek, http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454962545741038722
[01:41] <nagappan> slangasek, still booting, for last 45 minutes
[01:41] <nagappan> slangasek, downloaded image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso
[01:41] <slangasek> nagappan: do you boot it with any particular kernel commandline options?
[01:44] <slangasek> nagappan: in particular, does your ilo involve setting a 'console=' option?
[01:44] <nagappan> slangasek, I just removed splash and quiet
[01:44] <nagappan> slangasek, otherwise, I haven't changed anything
[01:44] <slangasek> and the ilo is connected to the machine's VGA output?
[01:45] <nagappan> slangasek, with the same machines, I have Ubuntu 8.04 / 9.04 / 9.10 working
[01:45] <slangasek> what happens if you *don't* remove splash and quiet?
[01:46] <nagappan> slangasek, it uses IPMI technology, the VGA is connected to physical monitor, since the machine is located 200 miles away from my office, I have to use only ilo to access it remotely during installation
[01:46] <nagappan> slangasek, if I don't remove those options, the screen just stays blank, I waited last time for 2 hours
[01:47] <nagappan> slangasek, new screen - http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454964288819800066
[01:47] <slangasek> so there's a physical monitor connected to the VGA port, and the iLO is done via a separate IPMI interface?
[01:48] <nagappan> slangasek, perfect :)
[01:48] <slangasek> are you able to send a sysrq key via the ilo?
[01:48] <slangasek> if so, please send Alt+SysRq+K
[01:49] <nagappan> slangasek, I have soft keyboard option
[01:49] <nagappan> slangasek, let me do it
[01:53] <nagappan> slangasek, I don't see SysRq in soft keyboard - just incase sharing the screenshot :) http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454965568864614354
[01:53] <nagappan> slangasek, doing with my regular keyboard, focusing the ilo window
[01:53] <slangasek> nagappan: it may work by sending Alt+Prn+K
[01:55] <nagappan> slangasek, it logged me off from my Ubuntu host :D
 yes
[01:58] <slangasek> nagappan: Alt+Prn+K on the soft keyboard may do the right thing.  If not, we probably need to edit the boot options to break into the initramfs
[01:59] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[02:03] <nagappan> slangasek, whats the expected output of this ?
[02:03] <nagappan> slangasek, I don't see anything happening with it
[02:14] <slangasek> nagappan: if it didn't immediately cause the login screen to appear, then it didn't work; so you get to break into the initramfs instead
[02:14] <slangasek> adding 'break=top' to the boot options should do the job
[02:14] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[02:14] <nagappan> slangasek, let me do it now
[02:27] <slangasek> nagappan: any luck?
[02:27] <nagappan> slangasek, its not booting
[02:28] <slangasek> oh?
[02:28] <nagappan> slangasek, my virtual cd image seems to be not reachable
[02:28] <slangasek> ah
[02:28] <nagappan> slangasek, debugging
[02:36] <nagappan> slangasek, removing splash and quiet
[02:36] <nagappan> slangasek, adding break=top
[02:36] <nagappan> slangasek, let me boot now and see
[02:37] <nagappan> slangasek, when I press enter it stays in the initial screen for about 10 minutes, initially I thought the system got hung ! later I realized it takes time to boot !
[02:38] <nagappan> slangasek, still in initial screen, will update you once, it enters the next screen
[02:40] <nagappan> slangasek, I'm into intramfs prompt
[02:41] <slangasek> ok
[02:41] <slangasek> run '/scripts/init-top/udev'
[02:41] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[02:42] <nagappan> slangasek, looks like its in hung state, I'm unable to type any
[02:42] <slangasek> oh. :/
[02:42] <nagappan> slangasek, http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454978538134140082
[02:43] <slangasek> well, there's one more thing we can try
[02:43] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[02:44] <slangasek> instead of 'break=top', try 'break=casper-bottom'
[02:45] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[02:53] <nagappan> slangasek, I'm in initramfs prompt
[02:53] <nagappan> slangasek, and its accessible
[02:54] <slangasek> nagappan: great - please run 'cat /proc/fb' and 'ls -l /sys/class/drm' and tell me the output of each
[02:54] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[02:55] <nagappan> slangasek, http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454981775863160354
[02:57] <slangasek> nagappan: cat /sys/class/drm/*/status
[02:57] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[02:58] <nagappan> slangasek, I got 2 lines of "connected" string printed
[02:59] <slangasek> nagappan: ok - at this point, my best guess is that this is an instance of bug #533135
[02:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 533135 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "System fails to boot with plymouth installed (nouveau driver with >1 display) (affects: 24) (dups: 12) (heat: 216)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/533135
[02:59] <nagappan> slangasek, ah ! ok :)
[02:59] <slangasek> but that bug has only been reported on nvidia before now; and it hasn't been diagnosed, so I don't know if it should also affect radeon
[02:59] <slangasek> have you tried booting with 'nomodeset'?
[03:01] <nagappan> slangasek, nope, shall I try now ?
[03:02] <nagappan> slangasek, added myself to the above bug
[03:02] <slangasek> yes, please try the nomodeset option
[03:02] <nagappan> slangasek, trying now
[03:13] <nagappan> slangasek, still waiting
[03:13] <slangasek> did it stop at the same place as before?
[03:14] <nagappan> slangasek, http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454959018502120402
[03:14] <nagappan> slangasek, waiting here
[03:14] <slangasek> right - same place it stopped before, hmm
[03:14] <nagappan> slangasek, just a general question, what does this plymouth do ?
[03:14] <nagappan> slangasek, yes
[03:15] <slangasek> plymouth serializes boot-time interactions with the user; it's needed because we have a parallel boot system which could be starting multiple programs at the same time which need to interact with the user in a comprehensible manner
[03:16] <slangasek> ...it does this by taking over the console, so any bugs in it are serious bugs
[03:16] <nagappan> slangasek, ah ! ok
[03:16] <nagappan> slangasek, make sense
[03:17] <nagappan> slangasek, but it makes Ubuntu 10.04 experience harder :) Hope it will be resolved soon
[03:17] <slangasek> just to be sure... could you try booting with 'break=init'?
[03:18] <slangasek> we could still be wrong about plymouth being involved
[03:19] <nagappan> slangasek, sure, let me try now
[03:21] <nagappan> slangasek, with nomodeset ?
[03:22] <slangasek> with or without; shouldn't matter
[03:22] <nagappan> slangasek, ok
[03:22] <slangasek> as long as you see *some* text output
[03:24] <nagappan> slangasek, ok
[03:26] <nagappan> slangasek, after pressing enter in boot prompt, not sure, why it takes atleast 5 minutes to come to the next screen
[03:26] <nagappan> slangasek, maybe extracting the initram ?
[03:27] <slangasek> that's all it should be doing - is it extracting it across the network?
[03:27] <slangasek> initramfs extraction should be fast
[03:27] <slangasek> *CD* extraction is very slow, however
[03:27] <slangasek> so if it takes 5 minutes just to extract the initramfs, it's *possible* that 2h to unpack the livefs is accurate
[03:28] <slangasek> and not a bug in plymouth at all
[03:29] <nagappan> slangasek, ok
[03:29] <nagappan> slangasek, yes its across network
[03:29] <nagappan> slangasek, the ISO exist on my box
[03:30] <nagappan> slangasek, and the test machine physically 200 miles away !
[03:30] <slangasek> I don't know why 10.04 would be slower than previous releases
[03:30] <nagappan> slangasek, its in "Adding live session user...."
[03:31] <nagappan> slangasek, but 10.04 installation as a guest inside VM, it rocks !
[03:31] <nagappan> slangasek, believe me :)
[03:31] <slangasek> so if it's stopping there even with break=init, I don't see anyway that this could be a plymouth bug
[03:31] <nagappan> slangasek, we use that for our regular testing
[03:31] <nagappan> slangasek, ah ! ok
[03:32] <slangasek> is it possible that the kernel never succeeds in detecting your CD?
[03:32] <slangasek> because there are many errors about /dev/sr0 in the screenshots
[03:32] <nagappan> slangasek, Ubuntu 10.04 is high priority for our upcoming VMware Workstation release
[03:32] <nagappan> slangasek, but it has detected the virtual CD
[03:32] <nagappan> slangasek, /dev/sr1
[03:32] <slangasek> ah
[03:33] <slangasek> maybe it needs to be manually told to look at /dev/sr1
[03:33] <nagappan> slangasek, ah ! how do I do that ?
[03:34] <nagappan> slangasek, the same thing worked for other Ubuntu versions !
[03:34] <slangasek> I'm not sure; currently looking
[03:34] <nagappan> slangasek, ok
[03:37] <nagappan> slangasek, looks like configuring fstab took more time ?
[03:38] <slangasek> nagappan: sorry, what do you mean?
[03:38] <nagappan> slangasek, let me see whether I have any screenshot
[03:38] <nagappan> slangasek, that screen is now completely blank
[03:39] <nagappan> slangasek, after this http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454959018502120402
[03:39] <nagappan> slangasek, it takes long time
[03:39] <nagappan> slangasek, and then print, something like configuring fstab
[03:39] <slangasek> nagappan: ah
[03:39] <slangasek> yes, if you look in the casper package at the files under /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom, you'll see the series of scripts that it's trying to run
[03:40] <slangasek> there are a *lot* of them, and it seems we've only gotten up to '12fstab' in the sequence
[03:40] <nagappan> slangasek, http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454993361718377666
[03:40] <nagappan> slangasek, ok
[03:40] <nagappan> slangasek, now in intramfs prompt :D
[03:40] <slangasek> nagappan: do you normally install from an image 200 miles away from the machine, or do you usually put the image closer to the target machine first?
[03:41] <nagappan> slangasek, this is our usual scenario and works well :)
[03:41] <slangasek> oh, if you're at an initramfs prompt, just type 'exit'
[03:41] <slangasek> and see if it continues
[03:41] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[03:42] <nagappan> slangasek, all the host OS images are located in our corporate center, where we work and the test machines are in different state !
[03:42] <slangasek> right
[03:42] <slangasek> I don't know why this is slow, then
[03:43] <nagappan> slangasek, after I typed exit and pressed enter
[03:44] <nagappan> slangasek, it just stays there
[03:44] <slangasek> hmm
[03:44] <slangasek> well, if the root filesystem on the liveCD were not mounted, I would expect to see errors from those scripts
[03:45] <slangasek> so I believe everything up to running init is working
[03:45] <slangasek> but if there's a performance issue with the CD, it's definitely going to affect trying to chroot into the livefs and start X, as well
[03:53] <slangasek> nagappan: ok, one more idea: boot without 'quiet' 'splash', boot with 'nomodeset' and '--verbose'
[04:00] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[04:01] <nagappan> slangasek, -- at end is required ?
[04:02] <slangasek> not required
[04:03] <nagappan> slangasek, pressed enter, let me see
[04:21] <nagappan> slangasek, http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5455004022539527410
[04:23] <slangasek> nagappan: ok - can you please link that from the bug report?
[04:23] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[04:23] <slangasek> I've run out of ideas on this for the evening; I think it'll have to wait until someone else picks it up now and can figure out what's happening
[04:24] <slangasek> how long has it been stopped at that line?
[04:24] <nagappan> slangasek, atleast for last 15 / 20 minutes
[04:25] <slangasek> right
[04:25] <slangasek> so that's definitely hanging, I just can't see why
[04:25] <nagappan> slangasek, ah ! now its in new screen (though I have seen this earlier) - http://picasaweb.google.com/nagappan/Tmp#5454964288819800066
[04:26] <slangasek> can you try switching VTs? Alt+F1, Alt+F7?
[04:26] <nagappan> slangasek, back to this screen itself http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42744482/Screenshot-Supermicro%20Daughter%20Card%20Remote%20Console%20-%20w1-hutlab045-ilo.eng.vmware.com-4.png
[04:26] <nagappan> slangasek, sure
[04:27] <nagappan> slangasek, nothing is happening, maybe in hang state
[04:27] <slangasek> ok
[04:28] <slangasek> the screen switch should indicate either plymouth exiting, or X starting
[04:28] <nagappan> slangasek, ah ! ok
[04:28] <nagappan> slangasek, looks like X is starting
[04:28] <nagappan> slangasek, still the screen is blank
[04:29] <slangasek> so this could be a plymouth, X, or kernel bug
[04:29] <slangasek> since we're booting without 'splash', it's probably not a plymouth bug
[04:29] <slangasek> I suggest sending all this information to the bug
[04:30] <nagappan> slangasek, ok
[04:32]  * nagappan heading home from office
[04:32] <nagappan> slangasek, thanks for your kind help and debugging instructions :)
[04:32] <slangasek> sure - sorry for not figuring out the bug yet
[04:35] <nagappan> slangasek, np :) let me try tomorrow as well :)
[11:11] <davmor2> morning all
[14:57] <davmor2> morning cr3 fader_
[14:57] <fader_> davmor2: Hey dude
[14:57] <cr3> davmor2: yo mama
[14:57] <davmor2> happy april fader_ day
[14:59] <fader_> davmor2: That hurts my feelings, as your opinion is incredibly valuable to me
[14:59] <fader_> APRIL FOOL
[14:59] <fader_> :P
[15:03] <davmor2> fader_: If I thought for one second that your skin wasn't as thick as a rhino's and you know how much we live to rag on each other then I would of swallowed that line :D
[15:03] <fader_> ;)
[15:06] <davmor2> I haven't seen so many net gags this year
[15:06] <davmor2> but then I've been too busy to look too
[20:08] <gringochapin> Hi all. I have some xml files from the system testing application that we generated on a few different computers at our local jam last weekend.  Where do I go to submit these?  The application seemed to have a bug, so we were not able to submit any of the results.
[20:08] <gringochapin> That is, we weren't able to submit any of them automatically.
[20:09] <gringochapin> I believe we were hit by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/540080
[20:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 540080 in checkbox (Ubuntu) "System Testing failed to upload to server (affects: 6) (heat: 34)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:39] <nagappan> slangasek, Hi
[21:39] <nagappan> slangasek, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/533135
[21:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 533135 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "System fails to boot with plymouth installed (nouveau driver with >1 display) (affects: 26) (dups: 13) (heat: 236)" [Medium,Triaged]
[21:40] <nagappan> slangasek, I read text theme over here
[21:40] <nagappan> slangasek, how can I try that ?
[21:42] <slangasek> nagappan: if you're booting without 'splash', you're already using /a/ text theme.  You can test the ubuntu-logo text theme by booting with 'plymouth:splash=text'
[21:44] <nagappan> slangasek, ah ! ok, I guess in my case its issue due to multiple VGA card on the host system
[21:48] <slangasek> maybe


[01:08] <mdke> hi
[01:09] <Flonne> Hi.
[01:56] <Burgundavia> Kinnison, ping
[02:04] <Burgundavia> mdke, you here?
[02:04] <mdke> yeah
[02:04] <mdke> hiya
[02:04] <Burgundavia> do you have a dvd player?
[02:04] <mdke> yes
[02:05] <Burgundavia> you have totem-gstreamer?
[02:05] <mdke> not sure
[02:05] <mdke> if its in ubuntu-desktop
[02:05] <Burgundavia> about on totem will tell you
[02:05] <mdke> yeah ok i do
[02:06] <mdke> inserting dvd now
[02:06] <Burgundavia> see if it says it is streaming
[02:06] <mdke> totem could not play dvd, reason unknown
[02:06] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:06] <Burgundavia> you have marillait repos
[02:06] <mdke> no
[02:07] <Burgundavia> aah
[02:07] <mdke> but i have libdvdcss
[02:07] <Burgundavia> add  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:07] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:07] <mdke> do i still need to add?
[02:07] <Burgundavia> get libdvdcss2
[02:07] <mdke> actually i think that is the one i have
[02:07] <mdke> lemme check
[02:08] <mdke> yes
[02:08] <Burgundavia> I would add that repo anyway
[02:08] <Burgundavia> and install that versin
[02:08] <mdke> hmm
[02:08] <mdke> i probably have the wrong version
[02:08] <mdke> says 1.2.8-woody
[02:09] <mdke> problem is I don't like marillat because it conflicts with my ubuntu mplayer
[02:09] <mdke> anyway have added and am updating
[02:13] <mdke> Burgundavia, dvd still not working
[02:13] <Burgundavia> err
[02:14] <Burgundavia> I just did a fresh install
[02:14] <Burgundavia> gstremer didn't work on my old machine
[02:14] <Burgundavia> but it does now
[02:14] <mdke> running it from a terminal tells me that gstreamer doesn't seem to like video/mpeg or audio/x-ac3
[02:14] <Burgundavia> hmm
[02:15] <Burgundavia> it seems gstreamer is still borked
[02:15] <mdke> have you tried with a new user?
[02:15] <Burgundavia> I am a new user
[02:15] <Burgundavia> I just reinstalled today
[02:15] <mdke> oh
[02:16] <Burgundavia> this why I am thinking about this
[02:16] <Flonne> I'm about to re-install...
[02:16] <Flonne> x86?
[02:18] <Burgundavia> yes, I run x86
[02:18] <mdke> Burgundavia, so its not normal for totem to dislike mpeg files?
[02:18] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:18] <Flonne> Want me to check/set anything when I do it?
[02:18] <Burgundavia> totem-gstreamer is mostly borked
[02:18] <Burgundavia> Flonne, not really
[02:18] <Burgundavia> I am just looking to confirm some errors and usability glitches
[02:18] <mdke> mplayer plays it fine
[02:18] <mdke> pah
[02:19] <Flonne> Do either of you have an amd64 system?
[02:19] <Burgundavia> totem-xine is better, but patent encumbered
[02:19] <Burgundavia> nope
[02:19] <mdke> Flonne, no
[02:19] <mdke> hmm when I say fine, I mean without sound
[02:19] <Flonne> I can't seem to create a gstreamer object on mine, but that was Preview.
[02:20] <Burgundavia> gstreamer is a very nice framework, but the plugins need some work
[02:21] <Flonne> Oh, well... Gentoo server goes down; Ubuntu server goes up.
[02:22] <Burgundavia> just a sec, going to reboot x
[02:28] <mdke> Burgundavia, solved my totem issue i reckon
[02:28] <mdke> there is a mpeg4, ac3, divx plugin
[02:29] <Burgundavia> you needed gstreamer plugn
[02:29] <mdke> thats what i mean
[02:29] <mdke> yeah it's working now
[02:30] <mdke> oh no
[02:30] <mdke> its playing but it is slow as hell
[02:30] <mdke> keeps freezing
[02:30] <Burgundavia> dma
[02:30] <Burgundavia> sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[02:30] <mdke> thats not it
[02:30] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:30] <mdke> plays fine in mplayer
[02:30] <Burgundavia> gstreamer used to that
[02:30] <mdke> and its much slower than that
[02:30] <Burgundavia> before I reinstalled
[02:32] <mdke> hmm
[02:33] <mdke> lemme install more plugins
[02:37] <mdke> ok installing more plugins has improved it, but its still jerky and the sound is rubbish
[02:39] <Burgundavia> any rss feeds you recommmend?
[02:40] <mdke> hmm
[02:40] <mdke> i use bbc world news and the ubuntu wiki new pages lol
[02:40] <mdke> actually i wanted to ask about the docteam
[02:41] <mdke> are we cracking on with some new guides now?
[02:41] <Burgundavia> my major push for hoary is the faqguide
[02:41] <Burgundavia> s/hoary/breezy
[02:41] <mdke> heh
[02:41] <mdke> has it been started?
[02:41] <mdke> what other docs are there?
[02:41] <Burgundavia> sort of
[02:41] <Burgundavia> quickguide
[02:41] <Burgundavia> and userguide
[02:42] <mdke> userguide sounds interesting
[02:42] <mdke> is that "how to set up my email client" stuff?
[02:44] <Burgundavia> sort of
[02:44] <Burgundavia> userguide and faqguide are going to have to define which is which
[02:44] <Burgundavia> that is not clear yet
[02:45] <mdke> what else is on?
[02:46] <Burgundavia> update quickguide
[02:46] <Burgundavia> and the portal
[02:46] <mdke> no systemguide or anything?
[02:46] <Burgundavia> ah yes
[02:46] <Burgundavia> admin guide
[02:47] <mdke> ok so lots
[02:47] <mdke> when are we starting?
[02:47] <Burgundavia> right now
[02:47] <mdke> ok
[02:50] <Flonne> I've got the Installation draft ready to go (well, as soon as I confirm the steps on an oldworld Mac), so I just need to know where to put it...
[02:51] <Burgundavia> wiki for now
[02:56] <mdke> Burgundavia, you know if its possible to get rid of this update manager chap in the panel?
[02:56] <Burgundavia> the little red circle?
[02:56] <mdke> that's the little devil
[02:58] <Burgundavia> update your system
[02:58] <Burgundavia> it will go away
[02:58] <mdke> thats not the point!
[02:58] <mdke> it will come back
[02:59] <Burgundavia> it is there for a reason
[02:59] <Burgundavia> you can
[02:59] <Burgundavia> stop the daemon
[02:59] <Burgundavia> and kill the cron.daily process
[02:59] <mdke> it is there for a reason?
[02:59] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:59] <mdke> what happened to choice?
[02:59] <Burgundavia> to tell people to update there machines
[02:59] <Burgundavia> sorry, good default wins out
[02:59] <mdke> i'm happy with default
[02:59] <mdke> but there is nothing wrong with "remove from panel"
[03:00] <Burgundavia> it is not in the panel
[03:00] <Burgundavia> it is in the notification area
[03:00] <mdke> ok yeah
[03:00] <mdke> which is in the panel
[03:00] <Burgundavia> you can kill the notif area
[03:00] <Burgundavia> but it is a bad idea
[03:01] <Flonne> But if you remove that, you lose everything it holds.
[03:01] <mdke> especially because then xchat will close
[03:01] <Burgundavia> huh?
[03:01] <Flonne> I don't think that will close X-Chat...
[03:01] <Burgundavia> mdke, it has been proven that users will not update unless forced to
[03:01] <Burgundavia> shiny red icons screaming at them do that
[03:01] <mdke> i don't dispute that
[03:01] <mdke> but i don't want it
[03:01] <Burgundavia> ok
[03:02] <Burgundavia> 1. kill the daemon
[03:02] <Burgundavia> 2. kill the startup that starts the daemon
[03:02] <mdke> i don't think asking for that sort of choice is unreasonable
[03:02] <Burgundavia> mdke, as an IT professional,  this is something that you SHOULD NOT be able to turn off
[03:02] <Burgundavia> end of story
[03:02] <Burgundavia> sorry
[03:02] <mdke> rubbish
[03:03] <mdke> i update my other systems
[03:03] <mdke> and they don't have it
[03:03] <mdke> i agree its a good idea to have it
[03:03] <Burgundavia> yes, but we talking the great unwashed
[03:03] <Burgundavia> and if you offer the option, people will turn it off
[03:03] <mdke> ok
[03:03] <Burgundavia> and that is a very very very bad thing
[03:03] <mdke> 1. I don't dispute its a good default
[03:03] <mdke> 2. unwashed people should be washed
[03:03] <Burgundavia> mdke, it can be turned off
[03:04] <Burgundavia> it has 2 parts
[03:04] <mdke> instead of deodorised
[03:04] <Burgundavia> a daemon that checks for updates
[03:04] <Burgundavia> and the part that puts the icon there
[03:04] <Burgundavia> kill the daemon, and you are set
[03:05] <mdke> do you know how i can do that?
[03:05] <Burgundavia> let me check
[03:06] <mdke> perhaps removing it from my session and saving will be sufficient
[03:07] <Burgundavia> might do
[03:08] <mdke> yes that seems to have done the trick i think
[03:08] <Burgundavia> the notification icon will put up with any update
[03:08] <Burgundavia> thus if you reload in syn and it has updates, it will do it then to
[03:09] <mdke> yeah
[03:10] <mdke> well i guess the user who wants to remove it can always uninstall it :/
[03:11] <Burgundavia> that too
[03:11] <Burgundavia> but I insist, there should be no reason to remove it
[03:11] <Burgundavia> I keep my machines up to date too
[03:11] <Burgundavia> but I still keep the icon
[03:11] <mdke> another daemon
[03:12] <Burgundavia> if you have a slow macine, then it might be an issue
[03:12] <mdke> ok
[03:13] <mdke> ok i'm off to bed
[03:13] <mdke> good night
[03:15] <Burgundavia> cya
[03:20] <Flonne> Burgundavia, do you have any idea how to physically move a partition?
[03:20] <Burgundavia> move?
[03:21] <Burgundavia> gparted will grow and shrink parts
[03:21] <Flonne> Yeah. Move every block from one location to another.
[03:21] <Burgundavia> hmm
[03:21] <Flonne> I know, but it only works on the tail.
[03:21] <Burgundavia> it must be possible
[03:21] <Flonne> At least the version I have...
[03:21] <Flonne> I need to move the head down by about four gigs.
[03:23] <Flonne> I could just create a new partition at the end, move all existing data into that, remove the first partition, create a new one four gigs up, move all the data back, restroy the temp partition, then grow the one that's left, but that seems horribly slow and it would be a total hackjob.
[03:23] <Flonne> destroy*
[03:25] <Burgundavia> I was thinking that might be the only way to do ti
[03:41] <Flonne> Ah... It looks like parted can do what I want, but its interface is quite cryptic.
[03:41] <Flonne> (gparted seems to lack this... Maybe it's unsafe)
[03:45] <Flonne> Bleh. I get a "Can't move a partition onto itself error."
[03:49] <Burgundavia> try gparted or qtparted
[05:01] <Flonne> Too late; it b0rked. :)
[05:06] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[05:11] <Flonne> A reiserfsck recovered everything importantish, but the move failed.
[06:43] <Burgundavia> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/badgers.html
[10:00] <froud> African Greetings
[10:00] <froud> puke my DSL router gave in on me last night.
[10:02] <Burgundavia> great
[10:06] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:06] <Burgundavia> I am working on this ubuntu brochure
[10:06] <Burgundavia> should i committ to the generic folder in the branch?
[10:07] <froud> cool what ubuntu brochue?
[10:07] <froud> is it about GNOME or/and KDE
[10:07] <froud> If about both it goes in Generic
[10:07] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:08] <Burgundavia> just mentions Ubuntu right now
[10:08] <froud> if about GNOME put in gnome
[10:08] <froud> gnome
[10:08] <froud> check it in under gnome
[10:09] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:46] <sivang> howdy all
[11:46] <froud> hello sivang
[11:46] <Burgundavia> salut
[11:49] <sivang> salutte Burgundavia , ahalan froud
[11:49] <froud> mienyanim
[11:50] <froud> kohev li ha rosh
[11:51] <sivang> froud: lama ma kara? hakol beseder ahi ?
[11:55] <froud>    '
[11:55] <Burgundavia> I see unicode
[11:55] <froud> its in hebrew
[11:56] <Burgundavia> I figured as much
[11:56] <Burgundavia> there is a really crazy of teaching hebrew in Ubuntu
[11:56] <sivang> froud: ooops, my unicode is broken at the moment
[11:56] <froud> so you dont see the hebrew characters
[11:56] <sivang> Burgundavia: there is? who else is on the craze?
[11:56] <sivang> froud: let's stick to fonetic if you wish
[11:56] <sivang> :-)
[11:56] <froud> what craze?
[11:57] <Burgundavia> sivang, Kinnison
[11:57] <froud> No I speak it
[11:57] <Burgundavia> they dance when I highlight them
[11:57] <froud> I just never type in hebrew characaters
[11:57] <sivang> Burgundavia: eh, the poor guy I owe him some docs with some instrucitnons...
[11:57] <sivang> Burgundavia: froud knows hebrew probably better then me :-)
[11:57] <Burgundavia> I must say, the hebrew is almost unreadable
[11:58] <Burgundavia> very very small and light
[11:58] <froud> Burgundavia: speaks hebrew
[11:58] <froud> oh my bad
[11:58] <froud> now I get it
[11:59] <froud> no way sivang my hebrew is bad
[11:59] <sivang> Kinnison: ping
[11:59] <froud> sivang: do you see the hebrew characters?
[11:59] <sivang> froud: no, unicode is broken from whre I am currently
[11:59] <froud> oh well
[12:00] <sivang> froud: have you been contacted by someone from the .IL LocoTeam, I forwarded him the files yous sent me, he seemed keento help tranlate them
[12:00] <froud> but my keyboard does not have hebrew keys so it is hard to remember where stuff is :-)
[12:00] <froud> sivang: cool
[12:01] <froud> I go back to hacking now, c ya
[12:01] <sivang> froud: laters
[12:02] <froud> 521 or 571 MB of Kubuntu iso downloaded :-)
[12:02] <froud> I am gonna spread Kubuntu far and wide :-)
[12:24] <jsgotangco> good evening everyone :)
[12:25] <Burgundavia> go morning
[12:25] <Burgundavia> s/go/good
[12:25] <jsgotangco> Burgey
[12:25] <jsgotangco> if i remember before you were making a presentation for ubuntu
[12:25] <jsgotangco> for a local lug?
[12:25] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:25] <Burgundavia> bigger than that
[12:26] <Burgundavia> Linux fest north west
[12:26] <jsgotangco> i got invited to speak to a conference
[12:26] <jsgotangco> for Ubuntu
[12:26] <Burgundavia> cool
[12:26] <jsgotangco> but i have no idea what to present
[12:26] <Burgundavia> join the club
[12:26] <jsgotangco> what were you planning?
[12:26] <jsgotangco> anyway the conference is still in October
[12:26] <Burgundavia> my talk is called Ubuntu:Not just a funny name anymore
[12:26] <Burgundavia> basically a look at Ubuntu, then and now
[12:26] <Burgundavia> the audience is mostly geeks
[12:27] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[12:27] <Burgundavia> who probably know a lot more than me
[12:27] <jsgotangco> can i take a peek at your notes?
[12:27] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:27] <Burgundavia> 21 days
[12:27] <jsgotangco> its ok
[12:27] <jsgotangco> no rush
[12:27] <jsgotangco> mines october anyway
[12:27] <Burgundavia> I figure I will start writing about the 25th of Apr
[12:27] <Burgundavia> there are some good talks already on the wiki
[12:28] <jsgotangco> but since its october i was thinking of breezy
[12:28] <jsgotangco> so i still have a 6 month headstart
[12:28] <Burgundavia> hmm
[12:28] <Burgundavia> good plan
[12:28] <Burgundavia> when is your talk?
[12:28] <jsgotangco> No definite date yet but the organizer said late Sept/early Oct.
[12:28] <Burgundavia> just before Breezy launches
[12:28] <Burgundavia> good timing
[12:29] <jsgotangco> yeah thats what i had in mind
[12:30] <jsgotangco> the organizer asked if they could invite someone from canonical say mako, but i asked them if they are willing to shoulder costs on bringing him over
[12:30] <Burgundavia> mako is in NYC
[12:30] <Burgundavia> better to grab jdub
[12:30] <jsgotangco> good idea
[12:31] <Burgundavia> because dist aust-->phil is < nyc-->phil
[12:31] <jsgotangco> well i heard mako went to shanghai a few months ago for AsiaOSC
[12:32] <Burgundavia> mako is canonicals community rep
[12:35] <Burgundavia> that is odd
[12:36] <Burgundavia> xchat just died
[01:23] <jsgotangco> agghhh wiki work
[01:59] <jsgotangco> hi enrico
[02:00] <Burgundavia> salut enrico
[02:01] <enrico> Hi all!
[02:03] <jsgotangco> ok i go to dinner first
[02:03] <jsgotangco> bbl
[02:16] <enrico> whoops!  The release notes mention the FAQ Guide :)
[02:18] <jsgotangco> and our FAQ in the site is empty :(
[02:30] <mdke> hi all
[02:31] <mdke> afternoon froud
[02:31] <froud> 'ello
[02:33] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[02:33] <maskie> hi froud
[02:33] <jsgotangco> i was reading thru the logs
[02:33] <froud> ello maskie
[02:34] <jsgotangco> does development for breezy also branch then later merged to their trunk?
[02:34] <froud> how's cape town today
[02:34] <maskie> hot and windy
[02:34] <froud> warm up here, no wind
[02:35] <jsgotangco> i watched a silly movie with my daughter today
[02:35] <maskie> the wind is not that bad today
[02:36] <claude> snow in Switzerland :-P
[02:36] <mdke> nice
[02:36] <jsgotangco> i wish we had snow here in asia
[02:36] <Burgundavia> snow is evil
[02:36] <mdke> whereabouts in switzerland are you claude ?
[02:36] <mdke> Burgundavia, snow = skiing :)
[02:36] <Burgundavia> that is fine
[02:36] <Burgundavia> snow belongs on ski hills
[02:36] <Burgundavia> not on driveways
[02:36] <jsgotangco> poo in snow is bad
[02:37] <mdke> good point
[02:37] <xhosa> oook Kubuntu rocks
[02:37] <Burgundavia> xhosa, you are still froud
[02:37] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of a good motto for us to think about when doing stuff
[02:37] <Burgundavia> stop astroturfing
[02:37] <xhosa> yep
[02:37] <claude> mdke: Chaux-de-Fonds (Neuchatel)
[02:37] <jsgotangco> I can only think of one
[02:37] <jsgotangco> PUU - People Use Ubuntu
[02:37] <jsgotangco> but i want something much better
[02:38] <mdke> jsgotangco, just put on eye of the tiger or something
[02:38] <Burgundavia> UPYOURS
[02:38] <jsgotangco> in spongebob its POOP - People Order Our Patty
[02:38] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu People Yes Our Ubuntu Rocks
[02:38] <mdke> S
[02:39] <jsgotangco> UP YOURS
[02:39] <jsgotangco> ?
[02:39] <Burgundavia> UPYOURS - Ubuntu People Yes Our Ubuntu Rocks
[02:40] <mdke> so what's going on?
[02:40] <jsgotangco> but i was thinking of having the end user in mind to remind us
[02:40] <mdke> it looks like we're having some kind of meeting ;)
[02:41] <xhosa> Hmm, I am considering ditching my SuSE for Kubuntu
[02:41] <jsgotangco> how is kubuntu? i gotta try that next week
[02:42] <xhosa> jsgotangco: very smooth
[02:43] <froud> jsgotangco: definately worth downloading the iso
[02:43] <claude> froukde :)
[02:43] <jsgotangco> I WILL :D
[02:43] <mdke> it cohabits happily with gnome right?
[02:44] <jsgotangco> jridell did a good job i heard
[02:44] <jsgotangco> i like the 3 dragons
[02:44] <jsgotangco> they should keep that
[02:44] <froud> yes
[02:45] <mdke> yes it cohabits with gnome?
[02:45] <froud> but once you use it you will unistall your gnome
[02:45] <froud> :-)
[02:45] <mdke> so how does it work, I keep using gdm?
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i think kdm has much better handling for other de
[02:45] <jsgotangco> compared to gdm
[02:46] <froud> agreed
[02:46] <froud> http://www.kubuntu.org.uk/documentation.php
[02:47] <jsgotangco> the the wireless monitor in kde works even with ndiswrapper..it doesnt work with our gnome
[02:48] <mdke> ok that's a good document
[02:48] <mdke> but no way vis-a-verse is a real word :p
[02:48] <mdke> ok i'll try installing it on my laptop
[02:49] <jsgotangco> whoa froud you did this by yourself?
[02:49] <mdke> is it going to be hard to remove it afterwards?
[02:49] <jsgotangco> i dont think so
[02:50] <jsgotangco> your gnome settings still are there (mostly)
[02:51] <mdke> huh? mostly?
[02:51] <jsgotangco> well thats what i experienced in mdk b4
[02:51] <mdke> what did you lose?
[02:53] <jsgotangco> not much of an impact but i dont remember specifically but with apt it wont be much of a problem i guess
[02:53] <jsgotangco> what does KGX mean?
[02:53] <mdke> apt is not great at removing things
[02:56] <jsgotangco> oohh charles got married *grin*
[02:56] <mdke> yeah
[02:57] <jsgotangco> im not that familiar with euro monarchs but camilia looks like that guy from rolling stones
[03:04] <mdke> how dare you insult my country
[03:04] <mdke> mick jagger is a lot better looking than her
[03:05] <claude> lol
[03:05] <jsgotangco> hahah
[03:06] <jsgotangco> does she become queen when charles becomes king?
[03:07] <mdke> i've stopped listening to that part of the news
[03:07] <mdke> but i think so
[03:07] <jsgotangco> their marriage got in between the pope and rainier's death
[03:14] <daven> no, she gets a funny title
[03:15] <daven> "Princess Consort"
[03:20] <daven> which means she'll never become queen
[03:21] <jsgotangco> good thing theyll never have kids
[03:23] <daven> i think they're too old
[03:23] <daven> gosh - i *hope* they're too old
[03:26] <jsgotangco> jeezz i know im going to be old like them but thinking about what theyre going to do later gives me goosebumps
[03:29] <froud> nrings new meaning to the phrase "long live the queen"
[04:02] <jsgotangco> ahhh children are gods gift indeed
[04:03] <froud> getting close to commiting new make system in branch
[04:03] <froud> must do testing tonight
[04:03] <froud> then commit
[04:03] <froud> hope I dont delete all the files on your hard disks
[04:04] <jsgotangco> ok ive been reading thru that link you gave me and learning a lot
[04:04] <froud> which svn book
[04:04] <froud> it is a must read
[04:13] <froud> we missed you buddy
[04:16] <enrico> hi!
[04:23] <jsgotangco> its been a while
[04:45] <jsgotangco> goodnite everyone
[04:45] <froud> good night
[05:22] <froud> enrico: do you want the english document to be in C?
[05:22] <froud> enrico: or is the root of the working folder?
[05:23] <enrico> froud: no idea
[05:23] <froud> enrico: each i18n document will have its own dir
[05:23] <froud> what is easier for packaging?
[05:23] <enrico> philosophically, I'd like every language to have its own directory
[05:24] <froud> ok we are using the ISO naming convention fr, ca, de etc you want english doc in en
[05:24] <enrico> for packaging, I'm doing so many rearranging at deb-build time that I tend to believe anything is fine :)
[05:24] <froud> yeah I want to reduce the rearranging
[05:24] <froud> cut down on over head
[05:25] <enrico> It mainly depends how it'll need to be installed in the resulting system
[05:25] <enrico> the bigger problems were the links to ../lib and so on (and I needed to do lots of symlinks)
[05:25] <enrico> I don't know if we can foresee what destination will be for Breezy
[05:26] <enrico> (although we could assume that it's the same as now
[05:26] <enrico> )
[05:26] <froud> I have many libs now
[05:26] <enrico> in which case, we have problems anyway in sharing images
[05:27] <froud> one for common, one for gnome, one for kde, one for generic
[05:27] <froud> menu system is lang specific and auto built
[05:27] <enrico> awesome
[05:28] <froud> Ok I will leave the en doc in the root of the working folder
[05:28] <froud> that way it is easier to find for authors
[05:28] <froud> and denotes that it is the driver for all else
[05:29] <froud> btw, OMF files are also created dynamic on first instance
[05:29] <froud> I think we should keep OMF files with their documents
[05:29] <froud> last time we forgot to translate them
[05:30] <froud> we had to rush it at the last second
[05:30] <enrico> in that case, call it C
[05:30] <enrico> yes, exactly.  OMF files should not be separate
[05:31] <froud> OK C it will be
[05:32] <froud> if I make the dir it saves you having to make it, right?
[05:33] <enrico> froud: say it again?
[05:34] <enrico> ah, ok
[05:34] <froud> if we develop the english document is C it saves you having to make it
[05:34] <enrico> y..yess
[05:34] <froud> In build I will create gnome/docuname/C/
[05:35] <froud> gnome/docuname/fr/
[05:35] <froud> gnome/docuname/de/
[05:35] <froud> etc
[05:35] <enrico> yes
[05:35] <froud> ok cool, so glad you are back :-)
[05:35] <enrico> Limited time, though
[05:35] <froud> huh why?
[05:35] <enrico> now I'm in a bit of information overload.
[05:35] <enrico> also
[05:36] <enrico> full time job getting more and more full time
[05:36] <froud> ouch I think I better learn the deb packaging stuff, sooner than later. Must find time though
[05:36] <froud> first get the new restructure over
[05:36] <enrico> froud: you do already a lot with the docbook stuff :)
[05:37] <froud> practically making everything automatic
[05:37] <froud> only one problem
[05:37] <froud> cant make a single document
[05:37] <froud> have to build all gnome
[05:37] <froud> or kde
[05:37] <froud> or generic
[05:37] <froud> :-(
[05:38] <froud> must find method
[05:38] <enrico> how come?
[05:39] <froud> each do now will have a file called modvars.make
[05:39] <froud> looks like this
[05:39] <froud> BUILD_FILE=/index.html
[05:39] <froud> HTML_XSL=../libs/about-ubuntu-html-cust.xsl
[05:39] <froud> FIG_DIR=../images
[05:39] <froud> DOC_NAME=about-ubuntu
[05:39] <froud> LANG=C
[05:39] <froud> OMF_FILE=$DOC_NAME-$LANG.omf
[05:39] <froud> SUBJECT="General|Linux|Distributions|Other"
[05:39] <froud> IDENTIFIER=file:///usr/share/gnome/help/$DOC_NAME/$LANG/$DOC_NAME.xml
[05:39] <froud> SERIES_ID=7fb11226-8a1d-11d9-9fcf-ff970c259736
[05:39] <froud> it gets sourced from the top make
[05:39] <froud> the code that does the work is generic
[05:40] <froud> so it can be applied to generic, kde and gnome
[05:40] <froud> I just need to find a way of passing a single module to the code
[05:41] <enrico> I can't look at it now (brain exploding), but a general suggestion: don't overdesign
[05:41] <mdke> lol
[05:41] <froud> sure, can be a problem
[05:42] <froud> what you loling at mdke
[05:42] <mdke> poor enrico
[05:42] <froud> you can lol when you come to kde
[05:42] <mdke> i'm just logging in now
[05:42] <mdke> laughing out loud at the time its taking to login
[05:42] <mdke> omg
[05:42] <mdke> and also lol @ login sound
[05:42] <froud> cool
[05:42] <enrico> froud: also look at http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?YouArentGonnaNeedIt
[05:43] <froud> everything I now impliment is from the experience with hoary
[05:44] <enrico> froud: that's always a good read :)
[05:44] <froud> we had to mant things to touch in the make and packaging for my liking
[05:44] <enrico> but that's not an opinion on what you're doing: I trust what you do
[05:44] <froud> sure
[05:44] <froud> there are howver things poping in between my ears, but we have not needed them, yet
[05:45] <froud> mdke run KControl dude
[05:45] <froud> and see the power
[05:45] <mkde> lol
[05:45] <mkde> i'm familiar with kde
[05:45] <enrico> froud: :)  yes, when something's not needed, it's useful to postpone it
[05:45] <enrico> or to not thing about it
[05:46] <enrico> because when it'll be needed, it'll be needed in a different way you are thinking of coding it today :)
[05:46] <froud> enrico: you know me I am lazy as hell
[05:46] <froud> script everything, that's the way to get out of work and go to the beach
[05:46] <enrico> then at the beach you get a mobile phone ring saying that the script broke :)
[05:47] <mdke> argh
[05:47] <mdke> kde has inserted a wastebin on my gnome desktop
[05:47] <enrico> (that's why you never should go to the beach with the mobile phone.  Bullshit that it's because of the sand :)
[05:47] <froud> lol
[05:48] <froud> gnome should have a wastebin on the desktop. Its a design flaw of gnome, not KDE
[05:48] <mdke> *cough*
[05:48] <froud> hey I got scripts to write
[05:48] <mdke> its a bug in ubuntu
[05:49] <froud> yes, not Kubuntu
[05:49] <froud> c ya
[05:49] <mdke> froud, i do not distinguish
[05:49] <froud> back to scripts
[05:49] <mdke> k
[05:50] <froud> enrico: can I call a make target from within a make target
[05:51] <froud> 1:
[05:51] <froud> .....
[05:51] <froud> make 2:
[05:51] <enrico> sure
[05:51] <froud> OK
[05:51] <enrico> $(MAKE) 2 is better, I think
[05:56] <froud> enrico: like this
[05:56] <froud> all: gnome kde generic
[05:56] <froud> gnome:
[05:56] <froud>
[05:56] <froud> 	DIR = `ls -d gnome/`
[05:56] <froud> 	SUB_DIR = `ls -d $DIR*/`
[05:56] <froud> 	BUILD_DIR = $(BUILDBASE)/$(DIR)
[05:56] <froud> 	make build
[05:56] <froud> kde:
[05:56] <froud> 	DIR = `ls -d kde/`
[05:56] <froud> 	SUB_DIR = `ls -d $DIR*/`
[05:57] <froud> 	BUILD_DIR = $(BUILDBASE)/$(DIR)
[05:57] <froud> 	make build
[05:57] <froud> generic:
[05:57] <froud> 	DIR = `ls -d generic/`
[05:57] <froud> 	SUB_DIR = `ls -d $DIR*/`
[05:57] <froud> 	BUILD_DIR = $(BUILDBASE)/$(DIR)
[05:57] <froud> 	make build
[05:57] <froud> build:
[05:58] <enrico> I think it should work
[05:59] <froud> OK where build is the same object code for each make target
[05:59] <froud> and build loads modvars.make from each document in for loop
[06:04] <mdke> does anyone here know how to call ssh commands with a particular key? I haven't had an answer in #ubuntu so am trying here in desperation
[06:06] <enrico> froud: actually, you should do it differently
[06:07] <enrico> you rename modvars.make in Makefile
[06:07] <froud> ok
[06:07] <enrico> then include a makefile snipped with the common stuff
[06:07] <enrico> then make the makefile in the upper dir invoke the makefiles in the lower sones
[06:08] <froud> but then I have multiple make files
[06:08] <enrico> then if you want to only build or validate something, you cd into something ad do "make"
[06:08] <enrico> sure
[06:08] <froud> each needing attention
[06:08] <enrico> every project has a makefile per directory
[06:08] <enrico> not much attention, because they all define a bunch of vars (like your modvars.make do) then include THE makefile stuff
[06:08] <enrico> from one single point
[06:09] <froud> but for example about ubuntu uses a different XSL
[06:09] <enrico> then you define the XSL name in the Makefile of about-ubuntu
[06:09] <enrico> all the others use a default XSL file
[06:10] <froud> Hmmm, ok must think about it. I can always split what I am doing now to work that way
[06:10] <enrico> make does all the things of fixing paths to point to .., ../.. or whatever depending on the level of nesting (IIRC)
[06:11] <froud> Ok what I will do is hack this way and then commit. that way more eyes can see it.
[06:11] <froud> foood, grub, nosh time
[06:12] <froud> back in a few minutes
[07:25] <scorpix> hi
[07:28] <froud> scorpix: hello
[07:29] <scorpix> what program is good for translating the ubuntuguide.org?
[07:30] <froud> we have ubuntuguide.org in svn and use pot/po via Rosetta
[07:30] <froud> There is not easy way to do it via the web site
[07:30] <froud> if you like you can hack the src and update it to hoary
[07:30] <froud> the doc is currently at warty
[07:30] <scorpix> is there a guide or a howto on using rosseta with svn?
[07:31] <scorpix> cuz i usually use kbabel
[07:31] <froud> not exactly, we have docbook xml src of that doc in svn and make a POT file when it need translation
[07:32] <scorpix> where can i get rosetta?
[07:37] <froud> scorpix: Rosetta is a web app
[07:37] <froud> you get  the pot from there
[07:38] <froud> but if you have svn src you can also just create a pot and do the po you want
[07:38] <froud> using KBabel
[07:38] <froud> but be warned that that doc is currently updated to warty so is out of date
[07:39] <froud> do you want to translate the hoaryy version?
[07:39] <froud> or the current version
[07:54] <scorpix> back
[07:54] <scorpix> yes i want to translate the hoary version
[08:38] <froud> scorpix: the hoary version does not exist
[08:39] <froud> we need to port the warty version to hoary
[08:39] <froud> scorpix: if you feel like doing that then the src is in svn see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeam as your starting point
[09:03] <mdke> woa
[09:03] <mdke> early to bed ;)