[12:25] <tominglis> wizard_: and stop networkmanager from loading automatically
[12:26] <wizard_> tominglis: cos i like network-manager cos i travel some
[12:26] <wizard_> and it can autodetect and it can manage more than one wifi
[12:26] <tominglis> wizard_: ok :) well, i don't know how to fix it i'm afraid
[12:26] <AmyRose> Ugh, I had to kill network-manager for KDE apps to be able to access the Internet--I have to use a script here
[12:26] <Chicory> Wait, be right back.
[12:26] <wizard_> i was hoping feisty would of had a few of the bugs worked out
[12:27] <tominglis> wizard_: knetworkmanager annoys me cause it always breaks, mebbe there will be an update to networkmanager soon to fix your problem?
[12:27] <tominglis> wizard_: is there a bug for it on launchpad?
[12:27] <wizard_> tominglis: i don't know, primarily because i don't know if its a bug thats specific to me or specific to the program
[12:27] <wizard_> i am trying to trace the problem first
[12:27] <wizard_> i am watching the carrier file of /eth1 and watching it go from status 1 to zero when the timeouts happen
[12:28] <tominglis> well, check out launchpad to see if other people have the same problem?
[12:28] <tominglis> yeah
[12:28] <tominglis> does it work in other operating systems?
[12:28] <AmyRose> What is the proper way to stop NetworkManager to let a script take over?
[12:28] <tominglis> try knoppix or fedora 7 live
[12:29] <Stormx2> 31 more packages left to grab :D
[12:29] <Stormx2> How long might it take to upgrade after that?
[12:30] <mhoney> how do you get glxgears to display FPS?
[12:30] <AmyRose> Network Manager screws up my connection at school and I have to use a script I wrote to authenticate with the WPA system here
[12:31] <wizard_> network manager was the new wave i thought?
[12:31] <budluva> hey does anyone know if there's going to be any cd/dvd cover art for feisty? i've been looking and havent seen anything yet
[12:31] <gnomefreak> mhoney: glxgears -printfps
[12:31] <gnomefreak> or its 2 -
[12:31] <gnomefreak> or not any more
[12:32] <gnomefreak> hmmmm doesnt seem feisty has that flag anymore
[12:32] <gnomefreak> glxgears -info   will do it
[12:33] <gnomefreak> seems they combined flags
[12:34] <Daemonik> Just installed Xubuntu FF AMD64 with the alternate disk, grub loads, when I hit enter the monitor makes a high frequency sound like it's getting a signal it can't use then turns off, num-lock key won't light up nothing happens for minutes. Startup using "recovery mode" works. There a way to set what the framebuffer's resolution or frequency is?
[12:34] <wizard_> great my sound doesn't work now!
[12:35] <lavid> hello all :). judging by the release schedule, it seems a new herd cd is coming out today, is that correct?
[12:36] <budluva> beta is out, after that its just final, am i not correct?
[12:36] <wizard_> no sound :-(
[12:37] <budluva> ahh
[12:37] <budluva> herd 6 i guess
[12:37] <budluva> and rc
[12:38] <budluva> meh, i just apt-get upgrade :P no point wasting all those cd's :P
[12:38] <wizard_> anyone know why sound wouldn't be working on an asus a8jm laptop that worked just 20 minutes ago in edgy?
[12:38] <lavid> yeah, i know. i figured that if i was going to download it anyway, maybe i should wait another day for herd6
[12:39] <lavid> wizard_: poke around in alsamixer
[12:39] <wizard_> lavid: the hardware is fully identified too
[12:40] <lavid> wizard_: yeah, alsamixer gives more options than the gnome or kde mixers do, try poking around in there. it might be that the volume is turned down on some mixer you don't know about
[12:40] <wizard_> im in there and theres still nothin' really in it
[12:40] <budluva> wizard_: check mixer properties and make sure nothings muted
[12:40] <wizard_> nothing is
[12:40] <wizard_> still no sound
[12:41] <wizard_> flustering me now
[12:41] <Blind32> i have a quick easy question
[12:41] <Turms> i have problems with feisty+beryl, when x starts beryl starts as well but the window decorator tries several times and eventually stops, afterwards i run beryl --use-copy and it works, i tried changing beryl-manager -> advanced options -> use copy but it doesn't work, only i i run beryl --use-copy it works
[12:41] <budluva> wizard_: external amplifier is checked?
[12:42] <wizard_> budluva: i cant see that
[12:42] <psyke83> Hi, is anyone having trouble when you try to connect to a secured wireless network with NetworkManager? If you do please let me know, I may be able to help
[12:42] <wizard_> budluva: remember this is a laptop
[12:42] <budluva> wizard_: yeah
[12:42] <Blind32> on the faq for wireless adapter, i have a netgear wg311 with the marvel chip set, so i'm using ndiswrapper
[12:42] <nixnoob> hey can i install feisty from the live cd without damaging my current win xp install... more explicitly will gparted resize my partitions correctly?
[12:42] <Blind32> says to type sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`    what is the uname -r part
[12:43] <wizard_> budluva: its still not playing any sound 0.o
[12:43] <wizard_> yet alasa fully sees it
[12:43] <budluva> open your volume control (double-click speaker icon beside your date/time), then EDIT/PREFERENCES, scroll down to bottom, click external amplifier, close that, then it should show up in a new tab SWITCHES, make sure its checked
[12:43] <nixnoob> blind type uname -r in console
[12:43] <wizard_> yup tis chcked
[12:44] <budluva> hrmm
[12:44] <nixnoob> hey can i install feisty from the live cd without damaging my current win xp install... more explicitly will gparted resize my partitions correctly?
[12:44] <budluva> all volumes turned up?
[12:44] <wizard_> yup
[12:44] <lupine_85> nixnoob: I've never trusted ntfsresize
[12:44] <Blind32> ty nixnoob
[12:44] <budluva> that external amp is the only thing thats ever held me back from audio
[12:44] <budluva> wizard_: i dunno then
[12:44] <wizard_> well this is jacked
[12:44] <lupine_85> I've seen it destroy several ntfs partitions
[12:44] <wizard_> i'll brb
[12:44] <nixnoob> so i should use a windows parition manager and then just install feisty on the newly created partition?
[12:45] <firefoxman> Hi, I am having an issue with my update manager. It says that the update it is trying to apply cannot be authenticated.
[12:45] <lupine_85> that'd be safest, yes
[12:45] <firefoxman> It is an update to kaffine and kaffine-xine.
[12:45] <firefoxman> Did I do something wrong?
[12:47] <wizard_> still no sound :-(
[12:47] <firefoxman> HELLO?
[12:49] <wizard_> i dont get it... ubuntu clearly knows what type of sound there is its got it fully identified. just no sound!
[12:49] <Blind32> lol
[12:50] <gnomefreak> wizard_: make sure its not turned off in alsamixer
[12:50] <Blind32> when i type the make command, it has no problem making the .o files, but it can't find the library for the .c files
[12:50] <wizard_> gnomefreak: i checked that everything is turned off
[12:50] <wizard_> on*
[12:51] <wizard_> got all bars up
[12:51] <wizard_> still nothing
[12:51] <gnomefreak> but i do rmeember it was turned off by default about 3 months ago
[12:52] <wizard_> how do ou turn it back on? cos it all looks like the voumes are up
[12:52] <mphill> Before today's upgrade. the volume control looked mac'ish, now its small and looks lame.  anyone experience this?  if i use the volume control on the keyboard it doesn't look good anymore....
[12:52] <Blind32> so when i type make, it says cannot find stdlib.h stdio.h errno.h string.h libgen.h
[12:53] <Daemonik> Are you developers paying attention? mphill says the new volume adjust display SUCKS
[12:53] <mphill> yeah, the one before was awesome...
[12:54] <Daemonik> I'm curious to what it looks like. Point me to a screenshot if you have one mphill
[12:54] <wizard_> so still no resolve on the sound?
[12:54] <mphill> Daemonik, I will post it on my website.  I wish i had a screen shot of the one i liked.  it looked just like mac though
[12:56] <wizard_> no sound im dying uhg
[12:57] <mphill> http://www.mphill.org/~mphill/this_volume_stinks.jpg
[12:58] <mphill> Daemonik, i left some of the gnome panel in there for perspective.
[12:59] <LasseP> hello agaigen trying to move feisty to another partion using tar (from here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311) , but how to get it booting from it?
[01:00] <mphill> LasseP, I would recommend using grub-install
[01:01] <mphill> make sure you use the root device and not a partition, but I have heard of people using the install cd to restore grub.  I think that would work best because it seems to recognize your setup and install accordingly.
[01:02] <Ximal_> hmm hello guys ?
[01:02] <LasseP> mphill: ok I try grub thx
[01:02] <Ximal_> gerv you still here ?
[01:02] <Ximal_> ughh gnomefreak ?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> ughh what?
[01:03] <Ximal_> ok i got the audio to work
[01:03] <Ximal_> i had the jack plugged into the left/right sided audio for my surround sound.. didn't realize i had a front/all sound port..
[01:03] <Ximal_> so i plugged in to every port until it had sound.. and blam.. it worked
[01:03] <mphill> Ximal_, oops!
[01:04] <Ximal_> now i gotta get the video to work..
[01:04] <mphill> Ximal_, what video card?
[01:04] <mphill> I can help....
[01:04] <Ximal_> one of the gforce 6800's
[01:04] <mphill> ok
[01:04] <mphill> you have some options
[01:04] <Ximal_> i'm in windows right now..
[01:04] <mphill> i assume you are running feisty?
[01:04] <Ximal_> yeah
[01:04] <Ximal_> it rocks man.. lol
[01:05] <mphill> yes it does
[01:05] <mphill> well, lets reboot into linux and i will guide you
[01:05] <Ximal_> hmm ok..
[01:05] <Ximal_> brb
[01:05] <mphill> hurry, i need to buy a DVD burner soon :)
[01:07] <Blind32> when i typed make, it can't find stdio.h, i downloaded it, where does it look for it?
[01:07] <mphill> Blind32, its your include path
[01:08] <Blind32> ./usr/include/
[01:08] <mphill> type find / -name stdio.h
[01:08] <mphill> verify its where it is
[01:08] <mphill> or maybe try installing the meta package build-essential ? did you do that
[01:09] <Blind32> when i do a find or locate its not there
[01:09] <Blind32> nope haven't done that
[01:09] <mphill> try apt-get install --reinstall build-essential
[01:09] <XVampireX> How do I disable scim?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[01:09] <XVampireX> Why do you enable scim for me?!
[01:09] <XVampireX> I didn't ask you...
[01:10] <Blind32> souldn't find package build-essential
[01:11] <mphill> hold on
[01:11] <mphill> is there
[01:11] <mphill> do you have all your repositories turned on
[01:11] <Ximal{}> ok
[01:11] <Ximal{}> i'm back
[01:12] <Ximal{}> where u at m8 ?
[01:12] <mphill> here
[01:12] <mphill> i'm writing up a mini-howto
[01:12] <mphill> 1 seconds
[01:12] <Ximal{}> okie doke..
[01:13] <Ximal{}> i mean i can see and am using default ubuntu gui
[01:13] <Ximal{}> i'm wondering if there are any other ones i can install like blackwidow etc .. lol
[01:13] <Ximal{}> or BOX
[01:16] <mphill> http://www.mphill.org/index.php?q=node/12
[01:16] <mphill> Ximal{}, try that, i wrote it from memory but it should get your full 3d with nvidia binary drivers
[01:17] <mphill> Ximal{}, i have to asked though, do you get the popups for restricted drivers? what herd version are you running?
[01:18] <sswitching> Hi, can anyone recommend where I can get a 'good' sources.list?
[01:18] <yaccin> is there a problem with the latest binutils package?
[01:19] <sswitching> the last one i downloaded off the forums seem to do the job except after i'd disabled a third-party repository, i am unable to do any updates
[01:20] <Ximal{}> no  i get normal playback
[01:20] <Ximal{}> i need to figure out how to play a dvd to test playback fully
[01:20] <Ximal{}> is there a way to play dvd's with basic ubuntu install ?
[01:21] <Ximal{}> mphill , did you get that ?
[01:21] <mphill> sswitching,  http://www.mphill.org/~mphill/source.list
[01:22] <Ximal{}> huh ?
[01:22] <Ximal{}> oh ok
[01:22] <sswitching> thanks. mphill
[01:22] <mphill> Ximal{}, let me look, i don't even know if i have mine setup
[01:24] <Ximal{}> its auto installing for me.. soooo sweet
[01:24] <Ximal{}> i'm sooo happy LOL
[01:24] <Ximal{}> OMG THE MOVIE IS PLAYING
[01:24] <Ximal{}> brb
[01:25] <mphill> Ximal{}, what did you do?
[01:25] <Ximal{}> well
[01:25] <Ximal{}> 1 moment.. i'm drewling
[01:25] <Ximal{}> wow dude
[01:25] <Ximal{}> the color is better than in windows
[01:25] <sswitching> watcha drewling bout?
[01:26] <Ximal{}> i got my movie player to w0rk
[01:26] <mphill> what did you do to get dvd playback working?
[01:26] <Ximal{}> ubuntu asked me if i wanted to install the proper codec when i put a dvd in..
[01:26] <Ximal{}> when i put the dvd player in i had the vid player open
[01:26] <Stormx2> 1 hour 36 minutes remaining heh
[01:27] <Ximal{}> i double clicked on the cdrom thing
[01:27] <Stormx2> I sure hope this works
[01:27] <Ximal{}> and it used glib setup program
[01:27] <Ximal{}> auto installed packages/downloads and blam.. works
[01:27] <mphill> humm
[01:27] <mphill> my install is probably broke, its old.  mine is broke
[01:27] <Ximal{}> no menu's access etc
[01:27] <Ximal{}> just main movie playback
[01:27] <sswitching> Ximal{}, do you think apps would break once i replace the source.list with yours and do an update - i sure dont mind as long as I can watch movies and browse.
[01:28] <sswitching> Ximal{}, umm..thats for mphill
[01:28] <Ximal{}> lol
[01:28] <Ximal{}> i know.. i was kinda in aww someone would ASK ME for advice lol
[01:28] <mphill> sswitching, no
[01:28] <sswitching> my source.list looks pretty much like it too.
[01:28] <Stormx2> Why not sure easysource?
[01:28] <sswitching> Ximal{}, perhaps someday you will.
[01:29] <sswitching> Stormx2, i've had bad luck with these easysource and other auto-user-is-dumb scripts. i used to be the kinda guy who keeps an updated package cache of 3GB+ . not anymore.
[01:29] <XVampireX> People
[01:29] <sswitching> I just keep things to a minimum now.
[01:29] <XVampireX> help me disable this shitty thing called scim
[01:29] <Ximal{}> wow
[01:29] <XVampireX> I don't want it on my PC it's buggy
[01:29] <Ximal{}> this is nice
[01:30] <Ximal{}> movie playback.. sound.. all in 1 day
[01:30] <Ximal{}> next.. vmware install ;)
[01:30] <Ximal{}> bet i get it tonight when i get up
[01:30] <Stormx2> sswitching: It isn't a package. It is something on the web
[01:30] <Stormx2> highly recommended
[01:30] <sswitching> Ximal{}, you plan to run windows on it?
[01:30] <Stormx2> !easysource
[01:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:30] <Stormx2> (I hate automatix as much as you)
[01:30] <Stormx2> Oh
[01:30] <Stormx2> Its source-o-matic
[01:30] <Stormx2> Bah
[01:30] <Stormx2> I forget
[01:30] <sswitching> Stormx2, oh oh- i thought its one of those installation scripts.
[01:30] <Ximal{}> sortof
[01:31] <Ximal{}> for eq2.. i don't feel like installing an emulator
[01:31] <sswitching> goodness...i've completely forgotten about source-o-matic. i used it back when i installed edgy..heh
[01:34] <Troels> Good evening
[01:34] <LasseP> trying sudo grub-install /dev/sda (booted an kubuntu cd) but gives Could not find device for
[01:35] <Troels> Why won't Feisty automount external harddrives?
[01:36] <LasseP> it do here usb
[01:36] <Troels> wierd
[01:37] <Troels> when i plug in my drive, nothing happends
[01:37] <Troels> when i do the same in Edgy, it pops up automagically
[01:37] <LasseP> I cant help just say it works here
[01:38] <Troels> is it possible to mount the drive in any other way?
[01:38] <Troels> ok :)
[01:38] <LasseP> maby usb driver is broken
[01:38] <Blind32> sweet
[01:38] <Troels> no, cause my mouse works, and it's usb
[01:38] <Blind32> figured it out on my own
[01:40] <defendguin> ever since a few days ago now it pauses at configuring network costing me 20 seconds during boot
[01:41] <defendguin> its very annoying watching the bar stop for so long on this machine
[01:43] <michael_> even after i reinstalled the nvidia-glx-legacy pacage, i still seem to not get 3d working..... but before in edgy i got it to work...?? what next?
[01:43] <XVampireX> HELPME
[01:43] <XVampireX>  PLEASE!
[01:44] <michael_> Your system does not have the required software to enable 3D mode. Please contact your system administrator and ask them to install the OpenGL Python bindings and the GtkGLExt Python bindings.
[01:44] <michael_> ???? i had it before....
[01:46] <XVampireX> CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME?!
[01:51] <wizard_> so i guess the sound issue is the kernel??
[01:52] <LasseP> if I install kubuntu now can I later install gnome on it?
[01:52] <Eleaf> yes LasseP
[01:52] <Eleaf> you would just do sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[01:53] <Eleaf> or use synaptics or something.
[01:53] <FunnyLookinHat> actually
[01:53] <FunnyLookinHat> it's sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:53] <Eleaf> well then.
[01:53] <FunnyLookinHat> and for kde - sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    : )
[01:53] <Eleaf> t3h drama FunnyLookinHat
[01:53] <Eleaf> ;)
[01:53] <LasseP> oki thanke then I do that now!
[01:54] <wizard_> LasseP: lots of space used but yew
[01:54] <FunnyLookinHat> lol
[01:54] <wizard_> i wish i knew why sound isn't working on feisty
[01:54] <LasseP> well hdds is cheep those days >(
[01:55] <LasseP> ops wrong keymap
[01:55] <Chicory> Okay, so ... somwhow I managed to get my nvidia card uninstalled already.
[01:55] <FunnyLookinHat> wizard_, search the forums for your audio chipset or computer model for a fix... and please bug report it on launchpad.net    : )
[01:55] <Chicory> Nvidia-glx is giving me hell, and the official installation .sh says I'm not supported ...
[01:55] <Chicory> Is there any documented way to reinstall the drivers?
[01:56] <wizard_> FunnyLookinHat: its been bug reported
[01:56] <FunnyLookinHat> just sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:56] <FunnyLookinHat> then do
[01:56] <wizard_> i tried the workaround and it failed
[01:56] <FunnyLookinHat> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[01:56] <PriceChild> Chicory, you on a new-legacy card?
[01:56] <Chicory> Well, I tried that.
[01:56] <Chicory> Hmm>?
[01:56] <Chicory> How would you define a 7300?
[01:57] <Chicory> Er, no, 7600.
[01:57] <Chicory> My old one was a 7300.
[01:57] <PriceChild> that's definitely not legacied
[01:57] <XVampireX> People are you kidding me?
[01:57] <FunnyLookinHat> About what XVampireX
[01:57] <XVampireX> I really don't want scim....
[01:57] <XVampireX> why is this forcing me to use scim?
[01:57] <XVampireX> Is ubuntu the next windows?
[01:57] <XVampireX> I can't disable it...
[01:58] <FunnyLookinHat> What is scim ?
[01:58] <wizard_> well this is depressing
[01:58] <wizard_> no audio on feisty
[01:59] <ExodusC> I was directed over here from #xubuntu... Anyone know of a procedure for installing NVIDIA drivers on Xubuntu for a 7000 series card?  Everything I've seen only covers 4, FX, and 6 series cards... I'm running a 7800GTX.
[01:59] <FunnyLookinHat> ExodusC,     sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-xconfig
[01:59] <Chicory> Not to spam, but it seems that ... subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[01:59] <PriceChild> ExodusC, in feisty?
[01:59] <XVampireX> Why do you people keep asking what is scim?!
[01:59] <FunnyLookinHat> Or enable restricted drivers through the GUI.
[02:00] <PriceChild> XVampireX, because they don' tknow whati t is?
[02:00] <ExodusC> PriceChild: Yes.
[02:00] <PriceChild> ExodusC, use the restricted-manager
[02:00] <PriceChild> or !nvidia
[02:00] <LasseP> feisty is so damn nice it gimme back old Amiga feeling :)
[02:00] <ExodusC> I did the package manager and attempted to get them, but it crashed my X server.
[02:00] <ExodusC> I'm very new to linux btw... heh
[02:01] <mphill> ExodusC, you will enjoy it...
[02:01] <Blind32> can anyone help me with a WPA-PSK problem
[02:01] <ExodusC> Heh, was that sarcasm? :P
[02:01] <mphill> no
[02:02] <Chicory> Dude, this linmodem driver RULES.
[02:02] <ExodusC> I mean, I think Linux seems like a good alternative OS.  I've always been a Windows guy, I know it like the back of my hand, so it's a little different being on Linux.
[02:02] <Chicory> Yes, you can vivisect the hand and put it back together in any way you want.
[02:02] <budluva__> ExodusC:  that should change :P
[02:02] <mphill> ExodusC, are you trying to use the binary installer
[02:02] <Chicory> And isntall themes for every fingernail.  XD
[02:02] <Chicory> *install
[02:03] <ExodusC> mphill: I used Package Manager to get the nvidia package last time, but it crashed my X server, so I'm not so sure I should use that
[02:03] <mphill> ExodusC, I wrote this manual install howoto for NVIDIA -> http://www.mphill.org/index.php?q=node/12
[02:04] <mphill> This should work for you
[02:04] <mphill> bbl
[02:05] <Chicory> Thanks, mphill.
[02:07] <LasseP> the only trouble when install nvidia I had was it used singel core, but it was easy fixed!
[02:08] <ExodusC> Err, so, I'm curious, when I go into the terminal window by using Alt+Ctrl+F1, how do I return to X-windows.. heh
[02:08] <LasseP> alt ctrl F7
[02:08] <Arko> Alt+F7
[02:09] <LasseP> oki install done reboot :)
[02:11] <smart_> Hi,Why kernel <IP_ADDRESS> wont loading
[02:12] <Daemonik> smart_, Try recovery mode, it worked for me
[02:12] <Daemonik> Then just hit ctrl-d and things seem to start up as normal
[02:13] <duslow> any here use nomachine on 7.04?
[02:13] <duslow> *anyone
[02:14] <smart_> Daemonik, ok Thanks
[02:14] <smart_> Will try
[02:14] <smart_> Bye
[02:14] <Daemonik> Good luck
[02:15] <Arko> is <IP_ADDRESS> out?
[02:16] <PriceChild> !linux-image-generic
[02:17] <PriceChild> !info linux-image-generic
[02:17] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.10 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[02:17] <PriceChild> !info linux-image-generic feisty
[02:17] <PriceChild> No :)
[02:18] <Arko> oh thanks gosh. I hate upgrading
[02:20] <ExodusC> mphill: I followed your guide, but after I accepted the NVIDIA terms of agreement, it said there was no precompiled interface for my kernel..
[02:24] <ExodusC> :3
[02:25] <dragon52225> Just asking again...  (because i'm eager to install ubuntu, lol).  Does anyone have any idea on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103435
[02:25] <ubotu> Malone bug 103435 in debian-installer "Install CD Issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:29] <budluva__> can someone please take a look at this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14113/
[02:29] <budluva__> im having problems mounting my 2nd hdd
[02:29] <budluva__> i cant mount because of a bad fstab line, but i dont see anything wrong with my /dev/hdb1
[02:31] <budluva__> dragon52225: i installed feisty beta cd, had 0 problems
[02:33] <leagris> budluva__, what entry does not work ?
[02:34] <leagris> the last point to /dev/hdb1 and there are no such partition
[02:34] <budluva__> line 16, /dev/hdb1
[02:34] <leagris> could you add cat /proc/partitions to the paste ?
[02:34] <leagris> it will list available and usable partitions
[02:35] <Hobart> since feisty's newest xorg is newer than supported by the ati fglrx driver, I guess I need to fall back a version ? :\
[02:35] <budluva__> yeah ill add that to the pastebin post
[02:35] <budluva__> also added sudo fdisk -l
[02:35] <budluva__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14117/
[02:35] <Hobart> or has any hacker not posted to wikis/forums and figured out a way to make fglrx work with the new one ;-)
[02:36] <leagris> budluva__, oups juste found it
[02:36] <leagris> when requesting a mount you must spell the mount point and not the device
[02:37] <budluva__> budluva@feisty:~$ mount /media/hdb1/
[02:37] <budluva__> [mntent] : line 16 in /etc/fstab is bad
[02:37] <budluva__> mount: can't find /media/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:37] <budluva__> whats wrong with my fstab line?
[02:37] <budluva__> i cant see why its not mounting?
[02:37] <leagris> so you should write : mount /media/hdb1 instead of mount /dev/hdb1
[02:37] <leagris> /dev/hdb1 is the device node
[02:37] <budluva__> yes i know
[02:38] <leagris> line 1 of the paste is wrong
[02:38] <budluva__> line 1 in my fstab?
[02:38] <leagris> line 1 of the paste
[02:38] <leagris> sudo mount /dev/hdb1
[02:38] <leagris> that's no good
[02:39] <budluva__> yeah i get the same error when i mount /media/hdb1, look up a few lines
[02:39] <budluva__> here in the channel, not paste
[02:39] <budluva__> still telling my i have a bad fstab entry
[02:40] <leagris> in line 16 you must not have a space after the coma ,
[02:40] <leagris> the line about the mount point options for /media/hdb1
[02:40] <budluva__> argh
[02:40] <budluva__> thanks
[02:41] <leagris> default,user instead of default, user
[02:41] <budluva__> f'in picky fstab :P
[02:41] <leagris> gparted or qtparted is your friend if you prefer friendy guy
[02:41] <budluva__> i used gparted to format that drive
[02:42] <budluva__> gparted writes to your fstab too?
[02:42] <leagris> If you tell it a mount point yes
[02:43] <budluva__> hrmm didnt know that, thanks
[02:43] <budluva__> hrmm
[02:43] <budluva__> it mounted as root
[02:43] <budluva__> budluva@feisty:/media$ ls -la
[02:43] <budluva__> drwxr-xr-x  3 root    root 4096 2007-04-01 00:25 hdb1
[02:44] <leagris> yes
[02:44] <budluva__> budluva@feisty:~$ mount /media/hdb1/
[02:44] <budluva__> didnt mount as su though
[02:44] <leagris> because you specified the user option
[02:44] <budluva__> wtf?
[02:44] <leagris> and you mounted it as root
[02:44] <budluva__> no, i mounted it as user
[02:44] <budluva__> well doesnt the user option let you mount as user?
[02:45] <leagris> it does
[02:45] <leagris> maybe the default
[02:45] <budluva__> mount as user, but it mounts with root being owner?
[02:45] <leagris> wierd
[02:45] <budluva__> hmmm
[02:45] <Niriven> If i get feisty, will it update when the release is out?
[02:46] <leagris> Niriven, yes
[02:46] <Niriven> or do i have to reinstall
[02:46] <Niriven> leagris: Thank you
[02:46] <concept10> Anyone worked with the Matchbox WM before?
[02:46] <Niriven> leagris: Appreciated
[02:46] <Niriven> Anyone here use xfs or jfs?
[02:46] <budluva__> Niriven: it won't update on it's own, it will tell you there are updates to install though, you have to update yourself
[02:46] <Niriven> budluva: Basically my question is will my sources.list be setup for the release (same as beta)
[02:47] <leagris> Niriven, worked with xfs 2y ago
[02:47] <Niriven> leagris: Hmm, not too impressed? im using ext3, not sure if its the best thing to use. I know there is no best, though, im lookign for something quicker
[02:47] <leagris> Niriven, no need to change the source list. IT already point to feisty
[02:48] <leagris> Niriven, I was not impressed with XFS, I found it quite slow for every day use on desktop
[02:48] <Niriven> leagris: Which filesysystem do you use?
[02:48] <leagris> Tryed reiser3 and lost some data/files sometimes with huge CPU usage at times
[02:49] <leagris> Niriven, ext3,
[02:49] <leagris> reliable, fast, don't eat cpu cycles...
[02:49] <budluva__> Niriven: yes, if you install beta you will be ready to roll when final is out, just sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, will get you to final when its out
[02:49] <Stevedm> anyone knows why there is no kcontrol items in the KDE menu of feisty?
[02:50] <Niriven> budluva: kk, i use debian so im familiar with apt, just not sure how ubuntu worked
[02:50] <budluva__> Niriven: ubuntu is debian-based so you should be quite familiar with it :P
[02:50] <Niriven> budluva: I know, but you never know, differnt distributors can change how things work :)
[02:50] <budluva__> yeah
[02:51] <leagris> budluva__, Naddiseo[afk]  in debian there are aliases names for testing and distroname, so if you point your sources.list to testing it will remain in testing state even when release is stable
[02:51] <Niriven> I am extremely impressed on how well ubuntu well, 'just works'
[02:51] <leagris> if you point to distroname, you will stay up to that named one
[02:52] <leagris> There are no such alias with ubuntu
[02:52] <concept10> What is the minimum package I need to run X?
[02:52] <Niriven> concept: what?
[02:53] <leagris> concept10, apt-get install xserver-xorg and it will drage necessary deps
[02:53] <concept10> leagris, so x11-common will not do the trick?
[02:54] <Niriven> I dont know if this is warrented or not, but i slightly worry about upgrading. Does ubuntu (even debian) manage deps that are no longer used (as in, delete), etc? Does it keep the system as clean as possible?
[02:54] <concept10> Niriven, no
[02:54] <leagris> Niriven, it upgrade ok until it fail ;o)
[02:55] <Niriven> Pfft :-/
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> Niriven: there's an autoremove feature in apt that will remove packages that were installed as dependancies of other packages that are not depended on any more.
[02:55] <concept10> Niriven, depending what you do on your system, some things get left over, but upgrades are fine as the packages get replaced
[02:55] <leagris> had to tweak repair quite some upgrade between edgy and feithy
[02:55] <LeeJunFan> Niriven: however, I don't know how it keeps track of that and if it will work upgrading from a system where apt didn't have autoremove to one that does.
[02:56] <nick_> my wireless card shows up as eth1 and wlan0 and neither will connect pls help
[02:56] <concept10> autoremove will get you in trouble if youre not carefull
[02:57] <Niriven> heh
[02:57] <concept10> okay, I need a way to transfer packages to my embedded device, I heard about something that can do this.  Anyone know what im talking about?
[02:58] <nick_> my wireless card shows up as eth1 and wlan0 and neither will connect pls help
[02:58] <concept10> I have to look, cant remember what it's called
[02:59] <concept10> gosh ubuntu needs another channel
[03:00] <buu> So uh
[03:01] <budluva__> anyone know a good tool to test disk transfer speeds? i want to see what im getting here from hda to hdb
[03:01] <buu> I'm trying to follow instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl for composite managers to get to beryl or compiz or something and it tells me to install xserver-xgl, which doesn't seem to exist any more
[03:06] <concept10> may I safely remove the xserver drivers I dont need?
[03:13] <dragon52225> Can anyone decipher these two error lines?  (linux noob)
[03:13] <dragon52225> Int 14: CR2 f8000000 err 00000000 EIP c020bc34 CS 00000060 flags 00100007
[03:13] <dragon52225> Stack: c00f7c60 c03f12eb c0370be4 0000002 c00f7c69 000f7c60 00000000 00000000
[03:30] <Stormx2> I've been upgrading for 12 hours now.... >__<
[03:33] <concept10> I have installed the matchbox window manager and xserver-xorg but I cant run it because I have no startx!  Where does this come from? (package)
[03:37] <sigh> how do you log in?
[03:37] <sigh> concept
[03:38] <sigh> i have an nvidia 5200, i cant get nvidia drivers to install properly for the life of me
[03:39] <sigh> tried restricted driver manager, different nvidia drivers, different linux kernels
[03:40] <michaelfavia> what is the proper way to auto connect to a bluetooth keyboard and mouse in 7.04?
[03:41] <michaelfavia> edit vim /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf?
[03:41] <michaelfavia> and add the two MAC aadys?
[03:41] <yuriy> anybody else have broken sound with newest kernel?
[03:41] <yuriy> (that's just a guess, i haven't tested an older one yet)
[03:43] <michaelfavia> nm i found a decent guide...
[03:43] <michaelfavia> FF moved BT around a little but it is decently the same...
[03:44] <yuriy> found a thread on it..
[03:47] <SuperTeece> this last update has seemed to smack me somehow, my computer freezes at the startup screen, I can force it to skip whatever process is causing it with ctrl-alt-del, how can I find out which part of the boot process is sticking?
[03:49] <SuperTeece> nevermind, just found it in the forums, its not just me, yay
[03:49] <defendguin> SuperTeece: its doing a configure network things
[03:49] <defendguin> damn
[03:50] <M4ri00sh> SuperTeece:
[03:50] <M4ri00sh> what was it?
[03:50] <defendguin> M4ri00sh: huh?
[03:51] <M4ri00sh> what was the process which causes the freeze
[03:52] <mike1> opera has crashed in feisty?
[03:53] <M4ri00sh> SuperTeece: the link to the forum might help :D)
[03:54] <mike1> opera,,X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[03:54] <mike1> mmm
[04:03] <defendguin> M4ri00sh: the problem is occurring during the network configuration step of the boot
[04:06] <M4ri00sh> defendguin: hmmm
[04:06] <defendguin> it  was happening in edgy  but it had never happened in feisty until 2 days ago
[04:06] <M4ri00sh> defendguin: i am able to get into login screen but after ~2 minutes it freezes
[04:06] <DanaG> Still vorking.
[04:07] <DanaG> er, wrpmg chamnnnel.
[04:07] <Mena> Have a problem with loading kernel <IP_ADDRESS> and i tried recovery mode (freeze)
[04:07] <M4ri00sh> defendguin: if i am able to login, i am able to play within gnome about 1 minute and it's gone :) freeeze
[04:07] <Death_Sargent> I have a file that I can't acess
[04:08] <M4ri00sh> ?
[04:08] <Death_Sargent> everytime I try nautilus fails and restarts
[04:08] <defendguin> M4ri00sh: we have different issues
[04:08] <M4ri00sh> defendguin: hmmm :) that is my main issue :)
[04:08] <slyfox> I have Ubuntu 7.04 beta with all latest updates and I switched from wired to wireless network today and then just now want to go back to hte wired network, i plug in the network cable but the wired connection does not get highlighted in the network manager, I cannot connect to my wired network. Help.
[04:08] <gop> hi
[04:08] <gop> I did a upgrade -d
[04:08] <gop> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"
[04:08] <gop> after I reboot
[04:10] <gop> after I reboot
[04:10] <Mena> I  Have a problem with loading kernel <IP_ADDRESS> and i tried recovery mode (freeze)....Help Plz
[04:10] <gop> men my computer goes in to the grub>
[04:11] <gop> but I typed boot
[04:11] <gop> I get a error 8
[04:11] <gop> no kernel is found
[04:11] <gop> and I try to do find /
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> try the other kernel
[04:11] <gop> it don't find nothing
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> should have 2.6.27
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> 17
[04:11] <gop> find /vmlinuxlinuz is not found
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> wow
[04:11] <Death_Sargent> your six kinds of fucked
[04:12] <gop> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> you have an install disk for fiesty?
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> if not get one
[04:12] <gop> nope
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> get one
[04:12] <gop> I got a install disk for
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> do linux rescue
[04:12] <Mena> So
[04:12] <gop> oh
[04:12] <gop> hmm I may need to burn one
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> I would get craken
[04:12] <Mena> !grub
[04:12] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:12] <Death_Sargent> download is slow like a bitch
[04:13] <gop> can I do a linux rescue from a eddgy cd
[04:13] <Death_Sargent> no
[04:13] <Death_Sargent> different kernel versions entirely
[04:14] <Death_Sargent> you could do all kinds of dammage
[04:14] <Mena> > I  Have a problem with loading kernel <IP_ADDRESS> and i tried recovery mode (freeze)....Help Plz
[04:14] <qkslvrwolf> ok, the upgrade crushed my video (again...does every time...you would think I would learn)
[04:14] <qkslvrwolf> I got my gnome back after about 4 hours work
[04:15] <qkslvrwolf> but the resolution is wrong
[04:15] <qkslvrwolf> the resolution and refresh rates are correct in xorg.conf
[04:15] <gop> can I do a linux rescue
[04:15] <gop> first find a way to  burn the cd
[04:15] <gop> I had d one a dist-d
[04:15] <qkslvrwolf> and I've run dpkg-reconfigure about 10 times to get to where I am (latest kernel (20-14) and glx-legacy got me where I"m at
[04:16] <qkslvrwolf> any ideas how to get my resolution correct again?
[04:16] <Death_Sargent> everytime I ttry to acess sertain folders nautilus crashes
[04:16] <Mena> !kde-devel
[04:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-devel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:16] <Mena> !kde-level
[04:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-level - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <qkslvrwolf> and whats the gnome menu editing tool, again?
[04:23] <Kevn_> hey guys trying to setup a dell laptop using 1390 mini wireless integrated wifi, any pointers
[04:29] <black9ice> Just installed Feisty, is this partial update safe to do? then continue on with updates after?
[04:35] <macogw>  black9ice yeah sure
[04:36] <Draconicus> brb
[04:36] <macogw> just uh, if your next boot is slow, edit /etc/network/interfaces and comment out everything but lo
[04:36] <Kevn_> I like cake
[04:37] <pianoboy3333> Where's herd 6?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> pianoboy3333: cancelled
[04:38] <pianoboy3333> por que?
[04:38] <macogw> pianoboy3333: cuz it coincides with final freeeze
[04:38] <Hobbsee> and easter, and devs being on holidays
[04:38] <macogw> so theyre just going straight to release candidate
[04:39] <pianoboy3333> cool...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> was on th eubuntu-devel ML
[04:39] <pianoboy3333> so if I were to install feisty.. what iso shoul dI use? beta?
[04:39] <macogw> pianoboy3333: if you want a disk that is up to date without a bunch of having to download updates, get the daily build
[04:39] <pianoboy3333> okf ine
[04:39] <Hobbsee> pianoboy3333: yeah
[04:39] <pianoboy3333> *ok fine
[04:39] <Hobbsee> may not install though
[04:40] <macogw> ok get the beta and daily build
[04:40] <macogw> and try the daily build first to avoid updates, but then if it doesnt work you'll have a beta on hand
[04:40] <Hobbsee> there arent that many updates
[04:40] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if the daily builds are up to date, either
[04:42] <black9ice> Hobbsee: I have the 7.04 CD, and there is 312mb of updates for me at least
[04:45] <macogw> Hobbsee: how can it be a daily build and not up to date?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> macogw: if the daily builds are on manual again
[04:50] <Draconicus> brb
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> and another kernel update... lol
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> so far, so good
[05:07] <icecruncher> can you guys tell me how to add a command at boot?
[05:07] <shirish> icecruncher: most probably in /etc/init.d or /etc/rcS.d
[05:07] <foxiness> hey, after i did a reinstall spellcheck not wroking 'tomboy,gaim' ,is there something i need to check or reconfigure / enable?
[05:09] <icecruncher> ah, my system does not have either file
[05:10] <icecruncher> I open them in nano, says it's a new file, so dunno
[05:12] <_Ben_> Last nights updates broke X. I had to edit the driver in my xorg.conf back from 'nvidia' to 'nv' for it to start.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> _Ben_: it's a kernel update.  this is normal.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> depending on what they changed
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> it will get better
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> when they went to -13 it was broken
[05:15] <Hobbsee> all of the nvidia kernel stuff needs to be recompiled for the new kernel, due to the abi bump.
[05:15] <_Ben_> Hobbsee, Ah, I see. I'll have to run the program to build a new kernel module or whatever then.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> this is normal, this happens all the time.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> we cant fix it, as we cant control them.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> _Ben_: exactly
[05:15] <Hobbsee> nomasteryoda: not just -13.  all fo them.
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> right
[05:16] <Hobbsee> nomasteryoda: same with ndiswrapper, if you compile that from source
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:16] <bullgard4> What is the proper way to get rid of the old kernels on my computer and grub after several updates?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: sudo apt-get autoremove
[05:17] <gop> dam grub giving me still an error
[05:17] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: I will give it a try. Happy Easter!
[05:17] <gop> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"
[05:17] <Hobbsee> you too!
[05:21] <Arko> which program I use to make a screenshot?
[05:22] <smr> Anyone here know about why Feisty crashes during ubiquity after continuing after partition settings?
[05:22] <icecruncher> no, sorry
[05:22] <icecruncher> Arko: It's the same one as before
[05:23] <Bonez56> hi, can anyone please link me to a page that I can follow instructions to install Beryl/AIGLX on Fiesty?
[05:23] <Arko> icecruncher: before?
[05:23] <icecruncher> I belive it was KSnapshot
[05:24] <Arko> just found it
[05:24] <foxiness> Bonez56: http://technocrat.net/d/2007/4/4/17254
[05:24] <icecruncher> cool
[05:24] <Bonez56> foxiness, thank you very much
[05:24] <Bonez56> foxiness, except I have nvidia lol :)
[05:24] <foxiness> Bonez56: you well come
[05:24] <foxiness> Bonez56: haha k
[05:25] <foxiness> Bonez56: http://mobile.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/04/173249
[05:25] <Bonez56> foxiness, awesome, thanks
[05:25] <_Ben_> What would the kernel source path be, assuming I've installed the 'kernel-source' package?
[05:26] <icecruncher> do any of you know how to add a ommand to bootup?
[05:26] <foxiness> Bonez56: np
[05:26] <icecruncher> * command
[05:27] <Bonez56> foxiness, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu#Ubuntu_7.04_.28Feisty_Fawn.29 <-- this page is cool, it has instructions for everything
[05:27] <foxiness> Bonez56: i will see thanks for inform me
[05:27] <_Ben_> icecruncher, Make a script, put it in /etc/init.d/
[05:28] <_Ben_> icecruncher, Then  update-rc.d 'scriptname' defaults
[05:28] <Megaqwerty> When I try to boot, it stalls at something like "Enabling Network Interfaces" and the only way for me to boot (which is why I am able to talk to you) is by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del which, I thought would cause me to reboot, but instead, killed the process, and allowed the boot to finish. Any ideas as to why it's doing that?
[05:28] <icecruncher> k thanks
[05:28] <_Ben_> icecruncher, Probably have to chmod the script +X too
[05:28] <icecruncher> ya
[05:28] <_Ben_> icecruncher, I'm no expert, though. So maybe someone in here should confirm what I just said before you run off and do it. ;)
[05:29] <icecruncher> this does sound better than the other methosd that have been suggested
[05:30] <_Ben_> icecruncher, defaults should refer to runlevels 2, 3, 4, 5 & put a link to stop the script in 0, 1, 6.
[05:30] <foxiness> Bonez56: for the last two link i just copy/past from my email early i notice its for ati :)
[05:30] <icecruncher> _Ben_: can you explain that please?
[05:30] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: I have heard that this method may work, however, I just put it in /etc/init.d and create a symlink to /etc/rc.2.d/ then rename the script as S99<scriptname>
[05:31] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: the S means start, and the 99 means that the script should be executed after all of the other boot scripts have run
[05:31] <_Ben_> icecruncher, Maybe just do it Megaqwerty's way. ;)
[05:32] <icecruncher> k
[05:32] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: remember to chmod the script with +x (sudo chmod +x)
[05:32] <icecruncher> lol
[05:34] <Megaqwerty> Can anyone help me with my above problem?
[05:34] <_Ben_> Anyway, I've gotta go get my video driver running again. Later. :)
[05:34] <icecruncher> Megaqwerty: however the /ect/init.d file is a new one when I open it in nano
[05:35] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: no, it's a folder
[05:35] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: (/etc/init.d/)
[05:35] <icecruncher> oh, put the script in the folder?
[05:35] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: yeah
[05:35] <icecruncher> k
[05:36] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: *don't rename the script itself, just the symlink
[05:36] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: sorry about that, I don't think I made that clear
[05:37] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: Following your advice did not remove th old kernels and Grub entries. It only removed 3 libraries.
[05:37] <icecruncher> no prob
[05:37] <sparr> where can i find a specific obsolete version of a package?
[05:39] <Pumpernickel> sparr: archive.ubuntu.com
[05:40] <Hobbsee> bullgard4: you can remove them thru synaptic, too
[05:40] <bullgard4> Hobbsee: I will check that.
[05:41] <shirish> guys anybody has gmailfs running?
[05:42] <shirish> it says usr/local/bin/gmailfs.py   /path/of/mount/point gmailfs   noauto,username=gmailuser, password=gmailpass, fsname=zOlRRa
[05:42] <shirish> now what should the mount point be?
[05:43] <icecruncher> Megaqwerty: the symlink is a link? you create a link  of the script and rename it?
[05:43] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: let me type out an example...it's been a while since I made a symlink...hold on
[05:44] <shirish> anybody?
[05:44] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: ln -s /path/to/file /etc/rc.2.d/S99<scriptname>
[05:44] <icecruncher> k
[05:44] <icecruncher> thank you very much
[05:44] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: you're most certainly welcome. :-)
[05:44] <shirish> Megaqwerty: can u help me?
[05:45] <Megaqwerty> shirish: possibly
[05:45] <shirish> I am trying to run gmailfs driver which is written by a certain Richard Jones http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem-using.html
[05:45] <Megaqwerty> shirish: I've never attempted or known of the existence of gmailfs
[05:46] <shirish> it is a way you can upload files to your gmail account.
[05:46] <Megaqwerty> shirish: but I'll read that page, and tell you what I can.
[05:46] <shirish> thanx
[05:46] <Megaqwerty> shirish: oh, well there is a firefox plugin that does that for you
[05:46] <Megaqwerty> shirish: want me to hunt that down?
[05:46] <shirish> sure that would be cool
[05:46] <Megaqwerty> shirish: okay, hold on
[05:47] <Megaqwerty> shirish: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1593
[05:47] <shirish> thanx did not know that an extension/add-on existed for that also lol :P
[05:50] <Megaqwerty> shirish: as you will find, there is an extension for almost anything :-D
[05:50] <shirish> Megaqwerty: yup, I know I have been giving people the taste of add-ons but Gspace this one is cool
[05:51] <icecruncher> yeah gspace is quite nice
[05:52] <icecruncher> still a bit buggy in fx3
[05:52] <sacater> '21
[05:52] <wizard__> crimsun: hey
[05:53] <wizard__> crimsun: im booting my laptop to ubuntu now
[05:53] <wizard__> crimsun: you want me to run and paste all these  for you bud?
[05:54] <crimsun> wizard__: in one pastebin.ca entry, yes.
[05:54] <wizard__> crimsun: okay, they'll be devided by lines
[05:54] <crimsun> wizard__: I may need additional info; we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
[05:54] <wizard__> crimsun: i've got my laptop logging in now
[05:54] <wizard_> crimsun: back
[05:56] <icecruncher> Megaqwerty:  "ln -s /path/to/file /etc/rc.2.d/S99<scriptname>"  there is no dot between rc2.d lol
[05:56] <icecruncher> :)
[05:56] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: whoops
[05:57] <icecruncher> gonna test it now
[05:57] <icecruncher> so long
[05:57] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: once again, sorry about that. But I'm glad you get the concept
[05:57] <icecruncher> ja
[05:57] <Megaqwerty> Good Luck
[06:01] <wizard_> !paste
[06:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:02] <wizard_> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14140/
[06:04] <wizard_> crimsun: got that?
[06:04] <shirish> he got the concept of symbolic linking
[06:04] <crimsun> wizard_: yes, please be patient
[06:04] <wizard_> crimsun: im good i just wanted to make sure you got it
[06:04] <wizard_> my network-manager keeps timing
[06:06] <shirish> guys what is the keyboard shortcut to make all the running windows minimize and show the desktop
[06:06] <shirish> alternatively what keyboard combo shortcut will enable me to minimize windows like Gaim?
[06:07] <shirish> anybody?
[06:07] <icecruncher> what?
[06:07] <foxiness> shirish: press the small icon on upper-left
[06:08] <foxiness> shirish: you can find all s-c
[06:08] <shirish> foxiness: I am specifically looking for a keyboard shortcut combo
[06:08] <icecruncher> Megaqwerty: it works, thanks again
[06:08] <Megaqwerty> icecruncher: You're welcome.
[06:10] <foxiness> shirish: & you can go to system>..>key board shortcut to see more
[06:10] <shirish> that brainwave just entered my head right couple of moments ago when I asked u
[06:10] <crimsun> wizard_: amixer set 'Master' unmute && amixer set 'Master' 80% && amixer set 'PCM' unmute && amixer set 'PCM' 80%
[06:10] <foxiness> plz do not do that
[06:11] <shirish> all in the name of love :)
[06:11] <wizard_> crimsun: do that?
[06:11] <crimsun> wizard_: copy and paste that into a Terminal
[06:13] <wizard_> crimsun: done
[06:13] <wizard_> crimsun: next step?
[06:14] <gerry_> hello
[06:14] <crimsun> wizard_: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[06:14] <gerry_> kvm virtual mouse can't work
[06:14] <icecruncher> if you cancel the aptitude process it locks the repository, hwo can you unlock it?
[06:14] <wizard_> crimsun: i hear nada
[06:15] <xtknight> gerry_, you may need to adjust the xorg.conf file under the virtual machine
[06:15] <gerry_> ixtknight: xp vm
[06:15] <crimsun> wizard_: pastebin ``amixer && cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*''
[06:15] <gerry_> xtknight:  xp vm
[06:16] <xtknight> gerry_, oh.. hmm.  i'm not sure
[06:16] <xtknight> check device manager somehow i'd say.  did you start kvm with mouse parameters or anything?  any thing about the mouse in the command line options?  ps/2/ etc?
[06:16] <gerry_> it seems keyboard not work  yet
[06:16] <wizard_> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14142/
[06:17] <gerry_> no extra options
[06:18] <gerry_> my feisty is up to date
[06:18] <gerry_> ps/2 mouse
[06:18] <gerry_> three days ago, mouse worked
[06:19] <gerry_> but after updated to now, it not work
[06:19] <gerry_> i think it's a xorg's problem, but don't know how to fix   it
[06:20] <shirish> does anybody know of any other application than the now no longer maintained art-manager
[06:20] <shirish> !info art-manager
[06:20] <ubotu> Package art-manager does not exist in feisty
[06:20] <shirish> !info gnome-art
[06:20] <ubotu> gnome-art: install GNOME themes from art.gnome.org. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-5 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 200 kB
[06:22] <wizard_> crimsun: i also seem to be having an issue with my refresh rate... its at 50 when it should be 60 but that comes later lol
[06:22] <crimsun> wizard_: please try sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=laptop
[06:23] <wizard_> crimsun: its in use
[06:23] <wizard_> crimsun: i need to kill gtk
[06:23] <wizard_> so i'll kill gdm
[06:23] <wizard_> and return okay?
[06:27] <sparr> where can i find a specific obsolete version of a feisty package?  archive.ubuntu.org only seems to have up to edgy
[06:28] <crimsun> which version of which binary package?
[06:28] <foxiness> reader!
[06:29] <foxiness> adobe!
[06:29] <Megaqwerty> sparr: possibly at packages.ubuntu.org (or com, I don't remember)
[06:29] <foxiness> pdf!
[06:29] <crimsun> foxiness: we can't distribute that for fairly obvious reasons.
[06:30] <sparr> crimsun: ktorrent, any version between current feisty and current edgy
[06:30] <foxiness> haha
[06:31] <foxiness> crimsun: realy?
[06:31] <wizard_> crimsun: okay
[06:31] <crimsun> sparr: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent , choose any of the feisty versions you want
[06:31] <wizard_> crimsun: still no sound man :-(
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> gerry_, did you fix it?... sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for the following line under Section "InputDevice" ... Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" and the line below... "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
[06:33] <crimsun> sparr: then, in the upper left, choose the desired architecture, then choose the link under resulting binaries
[06:33] <gerry_> nomasteryoda,not yet
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:33] <crimsun> wizard_: which model=  did you use?
[06:33] <wizard_> what you said
[06:33] <wizard_> model=laptop
[06:33] <wizard_> should i modify that inside the alasa config too?
[06:34] <gerry_> nomasteryoda: and then?
[06:34] <shirish> guys how do I delete stuff from desktop without going to trash, shift delete just sends it to trash instead of deleting it, in nautilus > Preferences > Behavior I have checked for delete command bypassing trash?
[06:34] <crimsun> wizard_: ok, so now choose model=laptop-eapd
[06:34] <wizard_> crimsun: should i be appending this in alasa-base?
[06:34] <crimsun> wizard_: you should not be touching /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:35] <wizard_> okay
[06:35] <wizard_> cos thats what a lot of guides said to edit
[06:35] <wizard_> i'll correct what i put in there now
[06:35] <gerry_> nomasteryoda?
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> gerry_, if those lines are there
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> you should be ok
[06:35] <gerry_> yes
[06:35] <wizard_> crimsun: okay laptop-eapd
[06:35] <gerry_> it's there
[06:35] <wizard_> brb
[06:36] <gerry_> nomasteryoda: nope, it's there from the beginning
[06:37] <sparr> crimsun: thanks
[06:37] <crimsun> foxiness: yes. There's a closed bug about that very reason.
[06:37] <crimsun> foxiness: and don't query me, as I can't respond.
[06:37] <sparr> whats up with apt-get autoremove?  i used apt in debian for years and never saw that, but in ubuntu i see packages listed for autoremoval every week
[06:37] <wizard_> crimsun: should i reboot or drop to init 1 or anything?
[06:38] <wizard_> crimsun: cos i still got no sound :-(
[06:38] <RAOF> sparr: autoremove is new (in Edgy)
[06:39] <foxiness> crimsun: k fine, "acroread_7.0.9-0.0.ubuntu0.6.10_i386" ? then i go with this ?
[06:39] <sparr> .
[06:40] <sparr> RAOF: ahh, just a coincidence in timing then
[06:40] <RAOF> Probably.  Although if you've been using aptitude, it does autoremove automatically :)
[06:41] <wizard_> did i get disconnected? lol
[06:41] <crimsun> wizard_: we have several additional models to test
[06:41] <wizard_> or is it just quiet
[06:42] <wizard_> crimsun: okay.
[06:42] <wizard_> crimsun: when applying these do i just need to restart x?
[06:42] <wizard_> crimsun: or should i reboot or anything?
[06:42] <crimsun> wizard_: after each module load, are you raising and unmuting the appropriate mixer elements?
[06:42] <wizard_> yes
[06:42] <wizard_> crimsun: i am running the terminal command u gave me
[06:44] <crimsun> wizard_: which terminal command? I've stated several
[06:44] <wizard_> the amixer one
[06:45] <wizard_> crimsun: to set all the volumes
[06:45] <crimsun> wizard_: each model doesn't necessarily have 'Master' and 'PCM' elements
[06:45] <wizard_> crimsun: i also check the gui controls
[06:45] <wizard_> still no sound
[06:47] <sparr> crimsun: can i download this or do i have to build the deb from the 3 downloadable files?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/2.1-0ubuntu1
[06:48] <crimsun> sparr: i.e., http://librarian.launchpad.net/6255222/ktorrent_2.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ?
[06:48] <sparr> crimsun: sure.  howd you get that?
[06:48] <crimsun> click the build log for the desired architecture (as stated above), then click the resulting binaries link
[06:49] <sparr> ahh, thanks
[06:49] <sparr> now i just have to walk back through the versions til i find one that works  :)
[06:50] <wizard_> crimsun: what should i do now
[06:54] <crimsun> wizard_: try model=3stack
[06:54] <wizard_> crimsun: i think i tried that one already but i'll do it agian. how do i test these out should i init 1 and then init 5 or what?
[06:54] <wizard_> crimsun: just modprobe them and see if it works?
[06:54] <concept10> anyone have a fresh install of feisty?  im wondering how many packages are installed .. (do a dpkg -l | wc -l )
[06:58] <shirish> anybody knows a nice small .torrent application like utorrent but for gnome or gtk+ ?
[06:58] <wizard_> crimsun: nope sir
[07:00] <RAOF> !deluge-torrent | shirish
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about deluge-torrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:00] <RAOF> Bah, silly me.  Anyway, you might be after deluge shirish :)
[07:00] <shirish> !info deluge
[07:00] <ubotu> Package deluge does not exist in feisty
[07:01] <RAOF> !info deluge-torrent
[07:01] <ubotu> deluge-torrent: A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1-2 (feisty), package size 1487 kB, installed size 3900 kB
[07:01] <shirish> ok thanx will try
[07:01] <wizard_> crimsun: so which one should we try next?
[07:02] <crimsun> wizard_: sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}') && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[07:03] <[Cade] > shirish, in case you were wondering, uTorrent works _perfectly_ in wine
[07:04] <[Cade] > in fact, uTorrent over wine is considered supported by uTorrent =)
[07:04] <shirish> cade: that would just bloat my environment, as it is right now it is hovering around 60% both in mem as well as cpu
[07:05] <intengu> any idea on totem not showing picture when using desktop effects (video plays)
[07:07] <wizard_> crimsun: no sound
[07:09] <crimsun> wizard_: how about from a cold boot?
[07:09] <wizard_> crimsun: let me try
[07:09] <wizard_> crimsun: should i of been doing that on them all?
[07:09] <crimsun> wizard_: no, shouldn't have been necessary. This is an ASUS, correct?
[07:09] <wizard_> crimsun: yup
[07:10] <RAOF> intengu: Yes, that's a known problem.
[07:10] <wizard_> crimsun: here i go
[07:11] <unikuser> while bootup, feisty is taking login ridiculously time at "Configuring network interfaces". is this intended change? it used to boot fast in edgy
[07:11] <RAOF> intengu: You can work around it by changing the video output mode that totem uses.
[07:11] <intengu> RAOF: how do I do that
[07:12] <RAOF> intengu: It depends on what version of totem you're using.  Are you using totem-gstreamer (the default) or totem-xine?
[07:13] <wizard_> crimsun: :-( nope
[07:13] <intengu> RAOF: Movie Player using GStreamer 0.10.12 and GNOME
[07:13] <RAOF> Excellent.
[07:13] <crimsun> wizard_: are you _sure_ you don't have gnome's software mixer muted or something?
[07:13] <crimsun> are the speakers/headphones connected snugly?
[07:13] <wizard_> crimsun: positive im looking right at it
[07:13] <xtknight> anyone else have firefox crash after applying a new theme?
[07:13] <xtknight> (has happened on every distro i've tried)
[07:13] <wizard_> crimsun: pcm and master are both at max
[07:14] <wizard_> with no mute icon
[07:14] <xtknight> well every version of ubuntu at least
[07:14] <RAOF> So, you want to run "gstreamer-properties"
[07:15] <RAOF> intengu: Then, you want to change the "Default Output" for video.
[07:15] <crimsun> wizard_: does -13.21 work?
[07:15] <wizard_> -13.21?
[07:16] <intengu> RAOF: change "Default Output" to what?
[07:16] <crimsun> the previous kernel
[07:16] <wizard_> crimsun: not sure
[07:16] <wizard_> the last i had was 11 i think
[07:19] <DanaG> e1000: eth0: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt Error: -22
[07:20] <wizard_> crimsun: we've tried just about everything eh?
[07:20] <crimsun> wizard_: not nearly, I'm just very busy (and very tired)
[07:21] <wizard_> crimsun: oh
[07:21] <crimsun> wizard_: please try -13.21 and tell me if it works
[07:21] <wizard_> crimsun: is there a way for me to install it because i went straight from edgy to feisty
[07:22] <RAOF> intengu: Try all the options, (at least) one should work
[07:22] <crimsun> wizard_: you can find the older version in the archive
[07:23] <wizard_> crimsun: okay. i am also tired so i may follow up some more on it tomorrow too
[07:23] <intengu> RAOF: working changed it to X Windows System (No XV), thanks
[07:23] <wizard_> crimsun: at this current moment i am highly saddened by -14, tis been problematic for me :-(
[07:23] <RAOF> intengu: If that's too slow, you can also try installing the gstreamer0.10-gl package, which contains a "glimagesink" element you can use with the "custom" option.
[07:24] <RAOF> That can be faster, but is also more buggy.
[07:25] <wizard_> crimsun: thank you so much for your efforts
[07:25] <wizard_> can we try more tomorrow when you've been rested?
[07:25] <tonyyarusso> Could someone visit http://www.specialized.com/ and report whether it works?
[07:26] <crimsun> wizard_: sure
[07:26] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: In what way "works"?
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Can view any products at all.
[07:26] <wizard_> crimsun: thanks... im just gonna go sit on windows and play some video games
[07:26] <wizard_> crimsun: for a laptop i sure can push out some good gaming :-)
[07:27] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Yup, works for me (Epiphany).
[07:27] <RAOF> Except for the big white square where there should probably be some flash on the homepage
[07:27] <wizard_> crimsun: one last thing tho. i heard this error was specific with this particular release of the kernel. so far true?
[07:27] <DanaG> Works for me in Firefox, even with Adblock Plus.
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Hmm
[07:28] <intengu> has anyone tried the new uslab that will be coming Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop Service Pack1 in Feisty (still using the old one gnome main menu)
[07:28] <crimsun> wizard_: it hasn't been brought to my attention if it is specific to -14.22
[07:28] <wizard_> crimsun: whats weird is that it worked on -11
[07:29] <wizard_> crimsun: virtually everything out of the box
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> RAOF, DanaG: I'm getting a black screen called "Choose Region & Language", that just has "Specialized" and "Specialized Partners" on it
[07:31] <DanaG> Odd.
[07:31] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: I got that first, but I just selected a region, and it worked.
[07:31] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: I don't have the listing of regions for some reason
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> Can you give me a direct link to within a region?
[07:33] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: Any region in particular?
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Something in English ;)  USA.
[07:33] <RAOF> http://www.specialized.com/bc/home.jsp?a=b&minisite=10029
[07:33] <xtknight> tonyy: it loads for me
[07:33] <xtknight> its flash tho
[07:33] <xtknight> firefox here
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Man, I can't see anything with that even - this worked earlier, my flash must have buggered
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Might be time for a reboot (Feisty doesn't like 10-day uptimes)
[07:34] <intengu> tonyyrusso: works for me
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> 'k, brb
[07:36] <intengu> Any idea - has anyone tried the new uslab that will be coming Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop Service Pack1 in Feisty (still using the old one gnome main menu)
[07:37] <RAOF> intengu: I've seen a thread on ubuntuforums about it, but I haven't tried it.
[07:38] <intengu> RAOF: ;))
[07:43] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: Still isn't working here.  You're on latest updates I assume?
[07:44] <RAOF> Yup, as of a couple of hours ago.
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> funky
[07:46] <DanaG> advice: don
[07:46] <DanaG> don';t cat /dev/watchdog
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> what is it?
[07:47] <shirish> does anybody know if apport has a log now or not?
[07:47] <xtknight> DanaG, that just makes me want to
[07:47] <xtknight> hard to resist lessing /dev/watchdog
[07:47] <DanaG> It does nothing, for a while...... then it suddenly reboots.
[07:48] <DanaG> At least, it did for me.
[07:48] <xtknight> lol that's not good
[07:48] <xtknight> cat: /dev/watchdog: Permission denied
[07:48] <DanaG> you'd have to sudo it
[07:48] <xtknight> sudo cat: /dev/watchdog: Invalid argument
[07:48] <DanaG> wait a bit...
[07:48] <xtknight> lol
[07:48] <xtknight> *trembling in fear*
[07:48] <DanaG> Or maybe it was /dev/snapshot that did it.
[07:48] <DanaG> Beats me.
[07:49] <DanaG> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Watchdog_Timer
[07:50] <shirish> guys any idea how I can upload a 7 mb crash file to launchpad?
[07:52] <RAOF> shirish: I've uploaded a 50Mb crashfile to launchpad.  I just let apport do it :)
[07:53] <shirish> RAOF: I tried doing that, I went to have shower thinking apport will do it, but apparently it did not do it or did it, I have no idea, when I came back there is no sign if it did or not.
[07:53] <xtknight_> curiosity killed the cat
[07:54] <RAOF> shirish: Oh.  Well, you can also just attach the .crash file (in /var/crash) to your bug, although that's less easy for the devs to use.
[07:55] <shirish> I know, I tried also looking for an emaile-dbg but there is no emaile-dbg file there
[07:55] <shirish> !info emaile
[07:55] <ubotu> Package emaile does not exist in feisty
[07:55] <shirish> sorry that should read as exaile
[07:55] <shirish> !info exaile
[07:55] <ubotu> exaile: flexible audio player, similar to Amarok, but written in GTK+. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8+debian-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 294 kB, installed size 1408 kB
[07:56] <budluva> has anyone successfully gotten their broadcom wireless to work in feisty?
[07:56] <budluva> i have a broadcom BCM4318 airforce one rev 02 card in my laptop
[07:57] <DanaG> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Watchdog_Timer
[07:57] <shirish> RAOF: I cannot do the .crash file as even FF does not have a good uploading thing, I hate running bandwidth
[07:57] <DanaG> exail has one thing entirely missing:
[07:57] <DanaG> by-folder organization.
[07:58] <xtknight> only one place i see "cat /dev/watchdog"
[07:58] <xtknight> scary
[07:58] <xtknight> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22cat+%2Fdev%2Fwatchdog%22&btnG=Search
[07:58] <RAOF> shirish: You can get the dbgsym debs from the debugging page.  I'll just hunt it down.
[07:58] <shirish> DanaG: that is a feature bug
[07:58] <RAOF> shirish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[07:59] <xtknight> Multiple processes may be individually registered with the watchdog, each providing its own
[07:59] <xtknight> timeout time. Each process must update the watchdog within its own timeout interval or the
[07:59] <xtknight> system will reset.
[07:59] <xtknight> ahhh
[07:59] <shirish> RAOF: thanx
[08:03] <shirish> RAOF: I might need your services once the database is updated
[08:03] <RAOF> shirish: Well, I'll be off soon, sorry.
[08:04] <ryan8403> so is there anyway to dump/clear the cached memory
[08:04] <shirish> ok cool, there is some documentation on the wiki, so will try that
[08:04] <RAOF> ryan8403: Why would you want to?
[08:05] <ryan8403> well...right now I have 2 of 3 gigs taken up by cache
[08:05] <xtknight> ryan8403, adjust vm.swappiness
[08:06] <ryan8403> ah..ok..thanks
[08:09] <eshaase> i'm trying to setup my ati drivers on a ubuntu feisty installation and i get the following in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log: [drm]  failed to load kernel module "fglrx"... any ideas?
[08:18] <eshaase> how can i get more information regarding the "FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx" error message i get when i try to do a 'sudo modprobe fglrx'?
[08:19] <shirish> RAOF: are u still here?
[08:23] <shirish> anybody knows anything about de-bugging a crash around here?
[08:23] <dystopianray> shirish: what crash?
[08:24] <shirish> dystopianray: I have a crash file which I want to debug so I can send the smaller files which they can have a look at, know anything about how I can do that?
[08:25] <shirish> dystopianray: I have installed the associated dbgsym file needed for it
[08:25] <shirish> dystopianray: needed for the package
[08:26] <dystopianray> shirish: oh, well that would depend on the specific application that crashed i guess, i don't think i can be much help
[08:26] <shirish> ok cool
[08:30] <budluva> anyone here with broadcom 4318 wireless working?
[08:30] <budluva> i tried bcm43xx-fwcutter and let it install the firmware for me, but its freakin slow, like less than 1k/sec
[08:31] <budluva> Fetched 32.9kB in 1m30s (363B/s) thats from archive.ubuntu.com, which i just sucked 1150k/sec from it updating, so its not my connection
[08:57] <CarinArr> my adept_updater keeps sayig "There's a new kubuntu available, click next to upgrade", but the next button is greyed out!
[08:58] <CarinArr> just a glitch in adept and there isn't actually a new one? or a bug in that i can't click next?
[08:59] <icecruncher> probably a bug
[08:59] <icecruncher> my updater has a glitch as well
[08:59] <icecruncher> not same tough
[09:03] <CarinArr> what's yours?;)
[09:06] <loktai> Hi there... I'm using the Feisty Beta on an AMD64 machine, and was wondering if anyone had successfully installed Gyachi on such a setup
[09:08] <Hidan> herd 6?
[09:08] <loktai> I'd assume that's the 6th beta version?
[09:08] <loktai> Just a guess offhand
[09:09] <Hidan> oh my bloody gods... i think i posted in the wrong section of the launchpad.
[09:10] <Hidan> Eeeks!!!!
[09:10] <Hobbsee> Hidan: you can fix it
[09:10] <Hidan> how can i fix it?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> what'd you do?
[09:10] <Hidan> oh i posted in linux-source-2.6.20
[09:11] <Hidan> both my bug reports...
[09:11] <Lynoure> What's the deal with this "New version of Kubuntu is available, press next if you want to upgrade" and no next?
[09:11] <Lynoure> oh, CarinArr just asked that :)
[09:11] <Hidan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~yuri-qala -__-;; no way ><;;
[09:12] <poningru> buuh?
[09:12] <CarinArr> heh nice to know it's not just me
[09:12] <CarinArr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/103607
[09:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 103607 in adept "Adept-updater announces new version of Kubuntu but does not allow it to be installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:12] <Hidan> how do i inform the developers, then?
[09:12] <Hidan> They really need to allow the user to move their bug reports to the correct section.
[09:12] <Lynoure> CarinArr: my first reaction was that it was April's fools thing that kept on giving...
[09:12] <CarinArr> lol
[09:13] <CarinArr> yeah it's done it for quite a few days but it's getting annoyingly taunting;)
[09:13] <Hidan> So, erm, hobbsee : any  suggestions?
[09:13] <poningru> CarinArr: you can just go to terminal and do an 'apt-get update' and then an 'apt-get distupgrade'
[09:13] <poningru> Hobbsee: correct me if I'm wrong
[09:15] <Hobbsee> CarinArr: that on feisty or edgy?
[09:15] <Hobbsee> Hidan: so they're both under linux-source-2.6.20 and the later one is supposed to be in cupsys?
[09:16] <Lynoure> poningru: does not help with mine: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:16] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: that on feisty or edgy?
[09:16] <poningru> Lynoure: did you do a apt-get update?
[09:16] <poningru> Hobbsee: its ubuntu+1 I assumed its feisty
[09:16] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: feisty, would not be here otherwise
[09:16] <Hidan> well... Hobbsee :yes, both of them are under linux-source-2.6.20 . However, the later one, I'm not sure if it's in cupsys 'cos it could be likely a Feisty issue.
[09:17] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I get that announcement in feisty, too.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: right.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: what does it ask you if you want to update to?  feisty?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: plenty of people still try to get edgy support in here
[09:18] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: it's adept saying "New version of Kubuntu is available, Click next if you want..." and no next.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Hidan: that's still in the cupsys package.  click on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/103594 - the linux-source-2.6.20
[09:18] <ubotu> Malone bug 103594 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Cupsd errors when booting up into Ubuntu and when running Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:18] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: right.  weird
[09:18] <Lynoure> To me the whole notice is weird, I'm supposed to be in the new kubuntu :)
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:19] <shirish> guys anybody has any idea how I can upload a 7mb crash file to launchpad
[09:19] <Hidan> hobbsee:  All right!!! Phew...
[09:19] <Hobbsee> Hidan: :D
[09:19] <Hobbsee> Hidan: it's not very clear, i'm afraid.  but you can change most, if nto all, of your bug report
[09:20] <Hidan> Hobbsee: yeah, I was like "uh oh then it may cause the developers more trouble and the problem might not be fixed/missed."
[09:20] <Hobbsee> nah
[09:20] <Hobbsee> you can fix it :)
[09:20] <Hidan> Hobbsee: yeah, I just discovered it just now... how to edit it lol
[09:20] <shirish> I have tried going through apport, it looks like it is going for a while then quits
[09:20] <shirish> then using firefox is also cumbersome, as there is no idea how much time is it going to take to get it uploaded
[09:21] <Hobbsee> shirish: the same way you file bugs and upload anything else?
[09:21] <Amaranth> Lynoure, Hobbsee: adept and update-notifier will offer a 'distribution upgrade' when a dist-upgrade is required to get up-to-date
[09:21] <Lynoure> Amaranth: see above, 0 to be upgraded
[09:21] <Amaranth> in that case I blame KDE ;)
[09:22] <Hidan> hobbsee: hmmm... i tried changing from linux-source 2.6.20 to feisty... however, it can't find it?
[09:22] <Lynoure> Amaranth: so it more action is needed to get it done, detailed instructions would be great.
[09:22] <Hidan> *it can't find feisty bugs ?
[09:22] <Amaranth> Lynoure: it's a bug
[09:22] <Amaranth> if you have nothing to upgrade it shouldn't offer to upgrade
[09:22] <budluva> anyone here aware of a lightweight iso burner?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Hidan: no.  needs to be the package that's the problem, ie, cupsys
[09:22] <shirish> Hobbsee: usually I use rapidshare to upload stuff when I want to and it has a progress bar which tells you how much has been uploaded
[09:22] <budluva> or a lightweight frontend to growisofs?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> Hidan: feisty is not a package - it's a release
[09:22] <Hobbsee> shirish: ahh
[09:22] <Lynoure> Amaranth: even if it offers to upgrade, and can upgrade, it should have a next...
[09:23] <Amaranth> budluva: you want to make DVDs?
[09:23] <budluva> i usually use k3b but dont want to download all those pesky kde libs
[09:23] <shirish> !info Malone
[09:23] <Amaranth> budluva: otherwise nautilus is a nice frontend to growisofs
[09:23] <budluva> Amaranth: yeah, i have a dvd .iso, just need to burn it
[09:23] <Lynoure> Amaranth: What should I report it against, if not Adept?
[09:23] <ubotu> Package malone does not exist in feisty
[09:23] <Amaranth> budluva: on, just right click on it
[09:23] <shirish> !Malone
[09:23] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[09:23] <Hidan> hobbsee: oh darn it... then, how do i move it from Package to release? LOL
[09:23] <Amaranth> Lynoure: adept is right
[09:23] <Hobbsee> Hidan: you dont.  that's nto the way launchpad works.  it goes by source packages, nto releases.
[09:23] <Amaranth> !adept-notifier
[09:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-notifier - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <Amaranth> !adept-notifier feisty
[09:24] <Amaranth> !info adept-notifier feisty
[09:24] <ubotu> adept-notifier: system tray notifier of available system updates. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.2ubuntu21 (feisty), package size 266 kB, installed size 768 kB
[09:24] <Amaranth> dang Seveas broke that :)
[09:24] <Amaranth> Lynoure: unless adept-notifier has it's own source package
[09:24] <budluva> Amaranth: hahaha, DOH!
[09:24] <budluva> Amaranth: thanks
[09:24] <Hidan> hobbsee: wait, then i'm getting confused...  see, there's this section on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs
[09:24] <Amaranth> budluva: GNOME is great like that :D
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Hidan: yeah.  it's not used.
[09:25] <Hidan> hobbsee: so, i... just leave it as it is, under linux-source 2.6.20 ?
[09:25] <Amaranth> sometimes it is but rarely
[09:25] <Amaranth> because we don't fix bugs for old releases so they'd get lost in there
[09:25] <Hobbsee> Hidan: no, change the l-s-2.6.20 to cupsys
[09:25] <budluva> Amaranth: how can i tail that, will that show me write speed's or errors?
[09:26] <Hidan> hobbsee: well, i changed the later one to cupsys already. I'm actually talking about the "resume from disk failed" bug report. =P
[09:26] <shirish> Hobbsee: which package should I file a bug under if I want to see some functionality added to launchpad?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Hidan: that feisty link is only used in special circumstances which you dont need to worry about
[09:26] <Hobbsee> shirish: which section of launchpad?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Hidan: right.  what would that be under?
[09:26] <budluva> can i tail a PID i find in ps aux?
[09:26] <shirish> Hobsee: the sending of attachment thing
[09:27] <budluva> i see /usr/bin/nautilus-cd-burner and growisofs, can i just tail the pid for growisofs?
[09:27] <Hobbsee> shirish: probably under launchpad then.  launchpad.net/products/launchpad
[09:27] <Hidan> hobbsee: lol... also under linux-source 2.6.20
[09:27] <Hidan> hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/103405
[09:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 103405 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Checking swsusp image: resume from disk failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:27] <Amaranth> budluva: it'll show you errors
[09:27] <budluva> no write speed though eh
[09:27] <Amaranth> budluva: and time remaining, don't think it shows speed
[09:27] <Amaranth> speed isn't important
[09:27] <Hidan> hobbsee: do i mark it as a bug under "Distribution" ?
[09:27] <budluva> less than 9 mins, i can wait :P
[09:27] <Amaranth> time until it's done is
[09:28] <Amaranth> Hidan: you don't, unless you want it to be lost and never get fixed
[09:28] <budluva> Amaranth: you familiar with tovid?
[09:28] <Amaranth> budluva: nope
[09:28] <budluva> bah
[09:28] <Hidan> amaranth: right, so it stays the way it is? Okay lol.
[09:28] <Lynoure> Gah, new launchpad scaled up my hackergotchi :(
[09:29] <budluva> i was in the middle of making a dvd and ran out of space, but it encoded all the video files, it was just authoring menu and stuff, wondering how i can re-author without re-encodign
[09:29] <Amaranth> i use devede
[09:30] <Amaranth> it doesn't do menus though
[09:30] <budluva> next question, anyone aware of any tools that will show me my disk transfer speeds?
[09:30] <poningru> hdparm
[09:30] <budluva> i want to see disk performance while xfer'ing files from my 200gig hda to my 500gig hdb
[09:30] <arejay> IS there anyone to set the max speed at which apt-get downloads files?
[09:30] <poningru> specifically hdparm -t or hdparm -T
[09:30] <poningru> read the man pages
[09:30] <Hobbsee> Hidan: no, you dont need to
[09:30] <budluva> thanks poningru
[09:31] <Hidan> hobbsee: okay oh lol... i just remembered that only feisty uses linux source 2.6.20 so the devs will know, anyway. =p
[09:31] <Hidan> i only hope i gave them enough information.
[09:32] <arejay> apt-get and update-manager always stall with my ipw2200 + wpa2 and i have to ctl+c and keep doing this over and over to download packages
[09:32] <arejay> any ideas?
[09:33] <CarinArr> other downloads don't stall?
[09:33] <arejay> not in firefox etc, no.
[09:34] <arejay> [33111.048000]  CCMP: replay detected: STA=00:0c:41:19:47:68 previous PN<PHONE_NUMBER>3c received PN<PHONE_NUMBER>39
[09:34] <arejay> [33111.048000]  CCMP: replay detected: STA=00:0c:41:19:47:68 previous PN<PHONE_NUMBER>3d received PN<PHONE_NUMBER>3a
[09:34] <arejay> shows up in dmesg
[09:34] <arejay> :/
[09:34] <arejay> did some googleing and well.. not much to say
[09:35] <Lynoure> arejay: metoo.
[09:35] <zdzichuBG> I have lot of them too
[09:35] <arejay> Lynoure, does apt-get stall for you?
[09:35] <Lynoure> arejay: or almost, on WPA1, tkip replay.
[09:35] <Lynoure> arejay: no.
[09:35] <zdzichuBG> speed maxes out at about 110KB/s, and NFS is unusable
[09:35] <zdzichuBG> I have ipw3945 + wrt54gl
[09:36] <Lynoure> arejay: but if you have a lot of outages from that, of course it will stall for you.
[09:36] <CarinArr> you'd think his other downloads would stall similarly though
[09:36] <arejay> arejay, i don't have any problems surfing or downloading with bittorrent only apt-get and wget ..
[09:36] <arejay> I wanna see if apt-get allows you to specify a max-speed for downloads so i can cap it and see if that works.
[09:37] <Hobbsee> Hidan: if not, they'll reply back
[09:37] <arejay> mm, didn't mean to answer my self
[09:37] <CarinArr> arejay: bittorrents normally have quite a high tolerance for loss of communication though as it can just try connecting to another peer
[09:37] <CarinArr> and browsing is relatively light
[09:38] <shirish> Hobbsee: I hope u hang around, I am filing a bug which I would like u to take a look at
[09:38] <arejay> CarinArr, ah, syn/ack!
[09:38] <Hidan> hobbsee: yeah, I hope so. :)
[09:38] <Hobbsee> Hidan: may be too late to fix for feisty, though
[09:39] <shirish> Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/103611
[09:39] <ubotu> Malone bug 103611 in launchpad "a progress bar on the site if uploading a crash file through firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:40] <Hobbsee> shirish: looks fine to me
[09:40] <Hidan> hobbsee: Uh oh. But there're like a few hundred more bugs in launchpad. Doesn't that mean plenty of users'll be facing problems when feisty is released?
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Hidan: try a few *thousand*
[09:40] <Hobbsee> and no software is free of bugs
[09:41] <arejay> hehe
[09:41] <Hidan> hobbsee: yeah. it's true no software is free of bugs. however, some of these look very critical.
[09:41] <arejay> ah, looks like apt-get uses curl to download
[09:43] <Hobbsee> if you want to get involved into bug triaging, or fixing, you're welcome - the bugsquad always needs help
[09:43] <shirish> Hobbsee: can u also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkgsel/+bug/99303 he needs info. but I do not understand his last part of thing
[09:43] <ubotu> Malone bug 99303 in pkgsel "goes from 24% to 80% & then fails at select & install software" [Undecided,Needs info]
[09:44] <shirish> quote but it seems unlikely that largefile could be involved unless you're running close to the edge of disk space requirements
[09:44] <Hidan> hobbsee: uhhh bug fixing?! no thank you. I don't know any programming. What's triaging, though?
[09:45] <Hobbsee> shirish: means he doesnt know what the problem is, but doesnt think it's largefile.
[09:45] <Hobbsee> Hidan: see the links at:
[09:45] <Hobbsee> [17:45]  *** The channel topic is "Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad | HAPPY UNIVERSE HUG DAY | HAPPY HUG DAY".
[09:46] <shirish> ok anyway would be doing a complete re-install on RC day or the day after that, and see what happens
[09:46] <Hobbsee> shirish: if you cant reproduce it, just close it
[09:47] <Hidan> hobbsee: okay, dokie.... however, i've only reported 2 bugs so far.  Also, must it be necessary to clone all bugs? After all, some of them are a "one-time" affair but have occurred for others.
[09:48] <shirish> Hobbsee: I can reproduce it, I have reproduced it atleast 10 times with the beta alternate CD, the thing is there is nothing in /var/log/syslog it is 0 bytes when I save it
[09:49] <Hobbsee> shirish: then say that on the bug report, and ask if there are other logs that will give useful info
[09:49] <Hobbsee> Hidan: well, if someone else can confirm it, then fine.  otherwise it just sits in the list of unconfirmed bugs
[09:50] <Hidan> Hobbsee: ooh, I see... however, if a bug keeps occurring, does this mean it's already been reproduced?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> Hidan: not necessarily
[09:50] <CarinArr> Lynoure: don't know if you noticed it but i filed a bug for adept-updater: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/103607 if you want to confirm it
[09:50] <ubotu> Malone bug 103607 in adept "Adept-updater announces new version of Kubuntu but does not allow it to be installed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:51] <shirish> Hidan: it simply means how it happens for you. reproducing means it should be reproducible at the developers end also or many people
[09:51] <shirish> Hidan: right now, for e.g. the hwdb-client is not working for many people hence it is a confirmed bug, sort of
[09:52] <Hidan> shirish: oh yeah... well, it's kinda sad 'cos there're plenty of users with cupsys problems in the Feisty forums. yet no one's coming to report them!!!
[09:52] <Hidan> *cupsd
[09:53] <Hidan> and same for so many other bugs
[09:53] <shirish> Hidan: try going to System > Preferences > Hardware information & see the ubuntu database at the end, do the questionaire & see if your data gets uploaded
[09:53] <Suurorca> I suppose it's a bit difficult to get regular users do bug reports
[09:54] <Hidan> shirish: oh you mean the "device database" test? I already did it.
[09:54] <shirish> Suurorca: on the contrary it is easy, we just need good tools which are able to do it. Right now neither apport is stable or feature complete nor hwdb-client which would give bug triagers/developers easy way to do it.
[09:54] <shirish> Hidan: was it successful for you?
[09:55] <Hidan> shirish: yeah, but I did it again. Only this time round, I included my email address.
[09:55] <Suurorca> shirish, not neccesarily... a lot of users just shrug them of as an anoyance ;/
[09:56] <shirish> Does anybody know the 3 finger salute like CTRL+ALT+DELETE for Ubuntu
[09:56] <shirish> Hidan: that was successful then?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> cupsys is a black art...
[09:57] <Hobbsee> it's got far too many bugs.
[09:57] <Hidan> shirish: Yeah, it's successful. bah i gotta restart into WinXP. since someone wants me to print something... ugh, WinXP... with even more troubles than ubuntu.
[09:57] <poningru> is it wrong that ubuntu+1 is getting more traffic than #ubuntu?
[09:57] <poningru> ;)
[09:57] <Hobbsee> poningru: nope :P
[09:57] <Hidan> Hobbsee: yup, can see from all the complaints in the forums.
[09:57] <shirish> Suurorca: not me as I understand more I give info. more better drivers as well as pressure on manufacturers to open their hardware/software
[09:57] <Hobbsee> poningru: but ubuntu does seem to be quieter than usual...'
[09:57] <poningru> yeah...
[09:57] <poningru> something's a foot
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Hidan: i dont read the forums.  they're not a terribly effective use of time
[09:58] <Suurorca> shirish, you count yourself as a regular user? :o
[09:58] <shirish> well sort of, I play music, do little bit of IMing,  do little bit of torrenting, file a few bugs here & there thats about it
[09:58] <Hidan> Hobbsee : oh really? :P  Yeah, irc and msn/icq/etc. is still a lot better. You get to troubleshoot within a few mins instead of waiting for hours. :p
[09:59] <shirish> play means hearing music although do djembe once in a while also
[09:59] <Hobbsee> Hidan: heh.  yeah, well.  irc is a big distraction too, but i find that the forums have no way of saying "this is fixed" and people dont search first
[09:59] <Suurorca> I sure see you talk a lot about different bugs... definitely shows interest in the OS =p
[09:59] <Hobbsee> so most of the info, from a developer perspective, is hard to get at
[09:59] <Hobbsee> + they tend to run unofficial repos, which taints the system
[09:59] <Hobbsee> ie, we cant fix what we dont have access too.  simple fact, but still some people dont get it.
[09:59] <Hidan> hobbsee: or even if you search, you can't always find the information 'cos there're like many different phrases for the same problem.
[09:59] <Suurorca> maybe it's just healthy community activity, but I'd still see it as a pretty rare ;/
[10:00] <Hobbsee> Hidan: true
[10:02] <Hobbsee> sudo: /usr/sbin/pbuilder: command not found
[10:02] <Hidan> hobbsee: bah it's time for me to get into WinXP. I'll miss Ubuntu, even if it's just for a few minutes. :p
[10:03] <Hobbsee> Hidan: awww
[10:03] <Hobbsee> ah, there we go.  pbuilder updating
[10:03] <Hidan> hobbsee: yep, need to print something. I wish there was something else than cupsys but oh well.
[10:05] <shirish> Hidan: I also have issues with cupsys for e.g. this is on the distros, never really have been able to use the http://localhost:631 really
[10:05] <arejay>  i have cups + samba issues as well
[10:06] <arejay> E [05/Apr/2007:20:51:35 -0400]  [Job 14]  No ticket cache found for userid=1000
[10:06] <arejay> E [05/Apr/2007:20:51:35 -0400]  [Job 14]  Can not get the ticket cache for rj
[10:06] <arejay> no print :(
[10:06] <shirish> I have been banging my head with this on dapper, on feisty I have not tried this, on dapper even though with the user added to lpadmin any change requires a username & password & given the username & password brings it back again.
[10:06] <Hidan> Hidan: dunno what localhost is but... man, that sucks. Still Feisty is a lot better than Dapper for me. On the ubuntu forums, I'd plenty of headaches with Dapper. Now in Feisty, I get some crashes but that's a lot better than not  being able to work.
[10:06] <Hidan> oops
[10:07] <Hidan> Hobbsee: dunno what localhost is but... man, that sucks. Still Feisty is a lot better than Dapper for me. On the ubuntu forums, I'd plenty of headaches with Dapper. Now in Feisty, I get some crashes but that's a lot better than not  being able to work.
[10:07] <shirish> then there is no gutenprint driver for my printer, I saw an .rpm driver from avasys which supposedly works
[10:07] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:07] <arejay> lol
[10:07] <Hidan> dying? yeowch!
[10:08] <shirish> Hidan: if you have cupsys installed just go to the browser, in destination type http://localhost:631
[10:08] <Hidan> anyways i really need to boot into WinXP now. be back in a bit. =)
[10:08] <Hidan> ooh kay i see, thanks for the tip, shirish.
[10:09] <shirish> Hidan: welcome, that is just the tip of the iceberg though
[10:09] <Hidan> shirish: still, i've disabled Printer services for now, though...
[10:09] <Hidan> Shirish: otherwise, i'd be adding into the amount of troubles i'll get in Feisty.
[10:09] <shirish> Hidan: completely understandable
[10:09] <Hidan> okay dokie... time for me to run, folks!
[10:10] <Hidan> Take care and thank you for the help . :)
[10:11] <shirish> not many women into derivative from xp
[10:12] <shirish> guys gotta run, sweet smelling lunch calls, bbl
[10:12] <Hobbsee> nto many women into tech at all.  but we exist
[10:12] <hylje> hence no girls on the internet
[10:12] <shirish> yup, that is truly sad
[10:12] <icecruncher> sob
[10:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 103476 in basket "[can-not-install]  file overwrite error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103476
[10:15] <Lynoure> CarinArr: there was another bug already on it...
[10:16] <Lynoure> CarinArr: maybe you can help me with one of my bugs, too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/93081
[10:16] <ubotu> Malone bug 93081 in kdebase "konqueror does not accept SSL certificates "forever"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[10:17] <arejay> she runs fbsd tho :/
[10:17] <arejay> they *do* exist :)
[10:17] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:18] <Lynoure> a lot of wowing to be had for a person that wows at every she on irc.
[10:19] <Lynoure> argh, I'm having trouble getting landscape oriented pdfs to print right...
[10:20] <arejay> that bug looks like a upstream issue in konqueror
[10:20] <Hobbsee> indeed.  please file it upstream.
[10:21] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I have no idea where upstream bugreporting is. Unlike Debian, Ubuntu bug tracking does not relay to upstream?
[10:21] <hylje> kde.org
[10:21] <yuriy> course we do
[10:21] <yuriy> hiya Hobbsee
[10:21] <yuriy> so who wants to save me some time and give me a PS3
[10:22] <yuriy> i won't play any games on it, i swear
[10:22] <Hobbsee> hey yuriy!
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: bugs.kde.org
[10:22] <Lynoure> so that is two "no we don't" and one "yes we do" =)
[10:23] <yuriy> Lynoure: oh, not automatically if that's what you meant :-\
[10:24] <Lynoure> yuriy: no, did not mean automatically, more like for confirmed upstream bugs...
[10:24] <yuriy> Lynoure: have to do it yourself/ourselves
[10:24] <arejay> damn it, i missed seinfeld
[10:25] <Lynoure> yuriy: I hate the thought of having to register to n+1 upstream bug tracking sites, and having to guess whether something is upstream bug or not, not having that many computers to play with myself
[10:32] <CarinArr> Lynoure: i can't even get konqueror to browse anything online so i can't confirm that one i'm afraid;)
[10:33] <CarinArr> [09:17]  < arejay> they *do* exist :)
[10:33] <CarinArr> cute;)
[10:34] <CarinArr> having said that.. tech guys in our office refused to give me the root password for my own machine for months, where all the blokes were given theirs without questions
[10:36] <Hobbsee> CarinArr: that's mean.  hope you gave them hell for it.
[10:37] <arejay> CarinArr, you should of hacked it using a live-cd :)
[10:37] <CarinArr> heh
[10:38] <yuriy> can you actually do that with linux?
[10:38] <arejay> mount it r/w and replace passwd?
[10:38] <CarinArr> well after them faffing about and failing to install the drivers for my quadrofx card on suse, they grouchily let me install ubuntu though they were adamant i wouldn't be able to ask them for support ever
[10:38] <Lynoure> Well, it would if mighty nice if someone could confirm the bug reported to upstream, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143898
[10:38] <ubotu> KDE bug 143898 in general "SSL certificates are not kept "forever", just for an hour" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[10:39] <arejay> Lynoure, give me a site with a invalid SSL cert
[10:39] <CarinArr> need i add that it took me 5 minutes to install the nvidia drivers properly on ubuntu;)
[10:39] <yuriy> Lynoure: don't forget to "also affects upstream" in the LP bug
[10:40] <yuriy> CarinArr: a whole 5 minutes!?
[10:40] <Lynoure> yuriy: I was told to report it directly to upstream just now, what's the point of doing anything to the LP bug anymore?
[10:40] <yuriy> :P
[10:40] <Lynoure> arejay: try https://lynoure.org
[10:40] <yuriy> Lynoure: well, there's no point in closing it.. and the option is there to track the upstream bug
[10:41] <yuriy> and there's always the chance it's actually not an upstream bug
[10:42] <Lynoure> h.
[10:42] <arejay> Lynoure, did you see the bug on google talking about kwallet crashing causing ssl certs to not be remembered?
[10:43] <Lynoure> arejay: no, I do not track google bugs... Don't even know where they are.
[10:43] <Lynoure> arejay: I haven't seen my kwallet crash so far...
[10:43] <arejay> Lynoure, i mean't searching on google
[10:44] <arejay> Lynoure, me neither, so you're saying that konq refuses to remember it past 1 hr ?
[10:44] <Lynoure> arejay: yes, it remembers it fine for the hour.
[10:45] <arejay> when i close out konq and re-open it and visit the same site, i'am prompted for my kwallet password and then everything goes as normal
[10:45] <arejay> I'am also useing gnome tho, not the full kde environment
[10:49] <Robokop> i can't boot anymore after update of yesterday
[10:50] <Robokop> it can't find my partitions in /dev anymore
[10:50] <yuriy> Robokop: what kernel?
[10:51] <Robokop> 2.6.20-13
[10:52] <yuriy> have tha problem too on my desktop :-\
[10:52] <arejay> gee. my laptop is running @ 175F
[10:53] <yuriy> note to self: tab != z
[10:54] <Robokop> is there a way to make my system bootable again without having to reinstal?
[10:54] <yuriy> Robokop: have you tried booting an older kernel?
[10:54] <Robokop> gave the same error
[10:55] <arejay> eek! i hope you did'nt lose your fs :(
[10:55] <arejay> Robokop, have you tried booting from a live-cd and re-installing grub
[10:56] <Robokop> didn't lose my fs because i can mount it under windows with the ext2ifs driver
[10:57] <arejay> Robokop, boot live-cd, sudo to root, run grub, type find /boot/grub/stage2
[10:57] <arejay> then type setup (whatever grub spits out after running the find command)
[10:57] <arejay> and then type root (hd0) or what not
[10:57] <arejay> (might wanna do a little more research on re-installing grub from live-cd)
[10:58] <Robokop> grub still can find everything so hd(0,5) is good, but /dev/hdc6 isn't found
[11:02] <HerrWeltschaft> hi
[11:04] <HerrWeltschaft> what does "grub error 16" mean?
[11:04] <rambo3> look it up
[11:04] <gnomefreak> !grub | HerrWeltschaft
[11:04] <ubotu> HerrWeltschaft: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:04] <gnomefreak> HerrWeltschaft: one of the above links has that info or faster to use google for grub error 16
[11:05] <rambo3> i looked it up you have syntax error in menu.lst
[11:05] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, me?
[11:05] <Matte30> hello
[11:05] <rambo3> yeah
[11:06] <HerrWeltschaft> gnomefreak, i googled, but i didnt find anything. but i will try your links
[11:06] <Matte30> i'm trying to install Feisty on my laptop, but X goes on a blank screen
[11:07] <Matte30> it's the first time i try ubuntu (i've been a gentoo user)
[11:07] <Matte30> is there any way to install it in text mode?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> Matte30: grab the alternate cd
[11:07] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3 the problem is: i tried booting with ubuntu-cd, but i cant mount the partition to check the menu.lst. i get this error: wrong fs type, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, missing codepage or other error
[11:08] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, do you ge grub menu ? press esc of not
[11:08] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, ok .check sudo  fdisk -l
[11:09] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, what?? if i get the grub menu at startup?
[11:09] <rambo3> before mounting
[11:09] <foxiness> did spell_check remove_it from ubuntu ? intellegint one "sorry if there a miss spell and you know why :)"
[11:09] <Matte30> ok i'll try that one
[11:09] <Matte30> thank you vm
[11:10] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, yes do you get grub menu
[11:10] <foxiness> spell!
[11:10] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, no - when it should appear, he just sais: "error 16"
[11:10] <foxiness> spelling!
[11:10] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, ok biit live CD
[11:10] <rambo3> boot
[11:11] <HerrWeltschaft> i did....wait a second - i try it with "sudo fdisk -l"
[11:11] <HerrWeltschaft> im back in minute.....
[11:14] <HerrWeltschaft> ok, i did - and it seems to be all right my hardware. but i still cant mount it
[11:14] <HerrWeltschaft> foxiness, u mean me with "spelling"?
[11:14] <Robokop> my /dev seems to be broken
[11:15] <Robokop> grub works but can't find /dev/hdc6
[11:15] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, recover partition
[11:15] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3 ? how?
[11:16] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, fsck.ext3 /dev/XXX
[11:16] <rambo3> if you lost superblock find it with:  mke2fs -n
[11:16] <rambo3> one of those should do
[11:17] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, ok ty - i go try it. one minute pls...
[11:18] <rambo3> mke2fs -n /deb/XXX that is
[11:19] <Robokop> is there a way to fix my /dev?
[11:19] <rambo3> MKDEV
[11:19] <rambo3> Robokop, whats the problem
[11:20] <Robokop> well my system won't boot anymore
[11:20] <rambo3> man MAKEDEV
[11:20] <Robokop> grub works fine
[11:20] <rambo3> whats the error ?
[11:20] <Robokop> VFS error /dev/hdc6 not found
[11:21] <rambo3> was it remaped ?
[11:22] <Robokop> no because it is still (hd0,5) in grub
[11:23] <rambo3> Robokop, try chainging UUID line with root=/dev/hda6
[11:23] <Robokop> rambo3: already done that
[11:23] <rambo3> 0,5 should be hda
[11:23] <rambo3> not hdc
[11:24] <Robokop> rambo3: has always been hdc i can try to check for hda
[11:24] <Robokop> will return here after reboot
[11:25] <Hidan> Hobbsee: back but man... there's absolutely one thing i'll miss from WinXP: stability. No crashes and problems running programs. :/ Looks like Ubuntu has a lot to catch up if it wants to stop behaving like Win98 (for many at least).
[11:27] <rambo3> !beta
[11:27] <ubotu> Download Feisty Fawn Beta at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04, read release notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Beta and upgrade instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades; consider doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing; Just because it's almost ready doesn't mean it is - final releases happen when they do for a reason, be warned and prepared for unbootable systems.
[11:29] <Robokop> rambo3: didn't work
[11:30] <Robokop> same vfs error
[11:32] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, it worked - i had many messages with "broken inodes" or something...and i fixed it. now i can mount it and i now try to fix grub
[11:32] <rambo3> partition is ok then when it can read grub , use live cd to find parition and vhange menu.lst
[11:33] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, ok ,
[11:33] <XamDM> HerrWeltschaft, if grub still fails try supergrubdisk
[11:34] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, it seems, grub totally crashed, because now he doesnt even rech grub. he reboots all the time, before he rech grub. i will try supergrub disk now
[11:35] <rambo3> that message was to Robokop .
[11:35] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, just install grub and do update-grub
[11:36] <HerrWeltschaft> with live-cd?
[11:36] <rambo3> yeah
[11:36] <HerrWeltschaft> and then with synaptic?
[11:37] <rambo3> no  you maby dont have to update-grub , its command to update menu.lst
[11:38] <HerrWeltschaft> ?
[11:39] <Zaggynl> Can I install Feisty, and keep my /home directory as it is?
[11:39] <Zaggynl> I'm running dapper now
[11:39] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:39] <Hobbsee> if you tell it not ot format /home
[11:39] <Zaggynl> hmm okay
[11:40] <rambo3> Zaggynl, is it on separate partition ?
[11:40] <Zaggynl> not sure
[11:40] <HerrWeltschaft> rambo3, how can i install and update grub with live-cd? im on desktop with ubuntu live-cd now
[11:40] <rambo3> then it isnt
[11:40] <Zaggynl> nope, it isn;t
[11:40] <rambo3> HerrWeltschaft, try grub-install /dev/hda first
[11:41] <gnomefreak> HerrWeltschaft: if you read the links ubotu gave you earlier the full instructions are theree
[11:41] <rambo3> if it doesnt work then you ll have to mount it and chroot into it
[11:41] <Hidan> hobbsee: hello agian. ^___^
[11:41] <|thunder> dont use feisty on production systems ? whats that all about?
[11:41] <HerrWeltschaft> ok, i read the links
[11:41] <rambo3> Zaggynl, create new parition and move /home to it cp -a
[11:41] <Hidan> |thunder: probably means don't use on systems you're going to use for day-to-day work.
[11:42] <Zaggynl> rambo3, I'm kinda low on diskspace
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Hidan: hi
[11:42] <Hidan> |thunder: because Feisty's likely to crash or even create problems for your Windows partitions.
[11:42] <gnomefreak> |thunder: its still unstable and use it on a pc that has no important info on it or if you need pc to boot everyday dont use it
[11:42] <Zaggynl> hum
[11:42] <Zaggynl> in that case, I'll sit 'n wait until feisty is stable <:
[11:42] <Hidan> yeah well i'm using Feisty anyways.
[11:43] <|thunder> Hidan; What ?   are we talking about that one thats supposed to hit april 19 ?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> |thunder: thats feisty
[11:43] <Hidan> Hidan: Yes, Feisty lol... look in the forums and at launchpad, man. There're so many reported bugs under "Ubuntu" and "Feisty bugs".
[11:43] <Hidan> |thunder: Yes, Feisty lol... look in the forums and at launchpad, man. There're so many reported bugs under "Ubuntu" and "Feisty bugs".
[11:44] <Hidan> bah why do i keep talking to myself.
[11:44] <|thunder> there's always bugs in distros. thas why theres trac
[11:44] <gnomefreak> |thunder: we cant stop from doing what you want but you were warned
[11:44] <Hidan> yeah well, i hope that most of the problems will be smoothed out soon... =/
[11:45] <arejay> my feisty systems *mostly* works :)
[11:45] <|thunder> but to reccomend its just a toy and not for day to day use is like saying you dont trust linux with your data. if thats the case, then I should just stay with edgy, or go back to dapper even.
[11:45] <Hidan> arejay: same here except that today, there were 2 system freezes. I still have not figured out the cause.
[11:46] <Hidan> arejay: i'm going to try and uninstall CUPS and HP printing from my system.
[11:46] <|thunder> Hidan; are you sure it was a complete system freeze? As in frozen kernel? Do you know about magic kernel keys ?
[11:47] <Hidan> magic kernel keys? huh? well, what happened was that mouse and keyboard stopped responding.  T__T
[11:54] <Hidan> oh well now i know. =(
[11:54] <|thunder> i did
 alt-SysReq-E
 then be sure to release ALL KEYS
 then
 alt-SysReq-U
 alt-SysReq-I
 alt-SysReq-B
[11:55] <|thunder> * finalbeta<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu+1
[11:55] <|thunder> * linxeh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu+1
 that stops X, sysncs the ram buffers to disc, something else, and finally reboots
[11:55] <Hidan> oh 'cos i pressed that
 thats a safe reboot when locked up
[11:55] <|thunder> * Hidan has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[11:55] <Hidan> before i saw the rest.
 but, you should first try alt-SysReq-E then ctrl-alt-F6 to try for a tty to restart X
[11:55] <Suurorca> hmmh, anyone got an idea as to why my hdparm.conf seems to be ignored? ;/
[11:55] <finalbeta> !paste | |thunder
[11:55] <Hidan> as in: i never saw the rest of the messages lol
[11:55] <Hidan> that was a really deserved lesson; never try out random key combos for fun. :p
[11:56] <ubotu> |thunder: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel.  :P  I suspect so but , man, I'm not a lesbian. nor am I bisexual. =D
[12:00] <arejay> let me check
[12:00] <gerry_> i always get "no composite extension" messges
[12:01] <shirish> Hidan: can u test the command pidof <program> insert any program name here
[12:01] <Hidan> shirish: okay . hang on.
[12:02] <gerry_> i followed the wiki guide step by step, but for edgy not for feisty
[12:02] <shirish> Hidan: a small thing, it should be a running program
[12:02] <|thunder> Hidan; you are implying that you are a woman, or that all whore in singapore are either men or trannys?
[12:02] <gerry_> any help?
[12:02] <Hidan> |thunder: I'm female. =P
[12:02] <|thunder> rodger that
[12:03] <Hidan> shirish: pidof konversation = 5435
[12:03] <shirish> ok it works for you, it does not work for me :/
[12:03] <gerry_> **************************************************************
[12:03] <gerry_> * Beryl system compatiblity check                            *
[12:03] <gerry_> **************************************************************
[12:03] <gerry_> Detected xserver                                : AIGLX
[12:03] <gerry_> Checking Display :0.0 ...
[12:03] <gerry_> Checking for XComposite extension               : failed
[12:03] <Hidan> shirish: aww man that's not good.
[12:03] <gerry_> No composite extension
[12:04] <Hidan> ... ...
[12:04] <gerry_> not too long, i think
[12:04] <Hidan> well, that does sound like a nightmare
[12:05] <gerry_> hmm
[12:05] <Hidan> shirish: somehow, that pidof < program> doesn't work for swiftfox. i wonder why.
[12:07] <gerry_> any one familiar with beryl setup?
[12:08] <Lynoure> arejay: I'll have to go soon, but I'll notice anything addressed to me anyway, especially msged stuff :)
[12:12] <Hidan> X sorta froze again and then when it booted up again into Ubuntu, it just froze at the loading screen. #@$#@
[12:13] <Hidan> and i shouldn't have pressed alt + crtl + delete... that caused the keyboard's lights to start flashing...
[12:14] <Hidan> oh man
[12:15] <shirish> Hidan: what is the alt+ctl+delete for?
[12:15] <Hidan> shirish: well, it sorta cold reboots the system.
[12:15] <miilunpolttaja> hello. I have a problem
[12:15] <Hidan> i can't exactly remember when you use it though 'cos for me, i do it all on instinct.
[12:16] <shirish> Hidan: is there something similar to a task manager in Ubuntu?
[12:16] <Hidan> huh i think i'm going to go back into WinXP for now.
[12:16] <miil> when I click the logout-door on my panel, it takes a few minutes until the window opens
[12:16] <miil> and until it opens, the panels don't work
[12:16] <Hidan> Shirish: System ---> Administration -----> System monitor.
[12:17] <miil> what is this problem related? I don't know what to look for in the forums
[12:18] <Hidan> miil : sorry can't help you there.
[12:19] <gop> Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting  "I am getting this error"
[12:19] <gop> how do I fix it
[12:20] <miil> ok thanks anyways
[12:25] <minimec> gop: Looks that there is an error in your menu.list in /biit/grub. May the 'Super'Grub' Software (which is a boot CD to fix grub problems) may help.
[12:25] <alex__> can anyone help me with my sound card and wifi card? I'm usuing ubuntu feisty running on LG laptop
[12:26] <poningru> !sound | alex__
[12:26] <ubotu> alex__: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[12:26] <poningru> apart from that I cant help with sound
[12:26] <poningru> what's wrong with your wifi though
[12:26] <alex__> let's start with the sound isue. ok?
[12:27] <poningru> o..k
[12:28] <alex__> first of all I posted a bug report and I'm not realy sure on wich site. I used to get mails but have stoped recivng them, I checked my mail box but there is no mail regarding it
[12:28] <poningru> hmm that generally means there is no activity on the bug
[12:28] <pari> hello everybody, any good news regarding nvidia-glx-legacy yet? Or I'll have to wait until official release and hope it'll be fixed
[12:29] <poningru> you only get mail on a bug if someone is actively working on it
[12:29] <alex__> alsa is selceted and I used to have sound untill I downloaded songbird and played it after a major update
[12:29] <poningru> err if there is any changes on it rather
[12:29] <alex__> I recived an error "Could not establish connection to sound server"
[12:29] <alex__> and now, whenever I try to play a soundfile I get this error
[12:30] <Lucifiel> back on winxp right now... hmm
[12:31] <alex__> what is the standart webserver for bug reports?
[12:31] <poningru> alex__: launchpad.net
[12:31] <Lucifiel> you mean launchpad.net ?
[12:31] <poningru> alex__: assuming you tried a restart of the box
[12:31] <slytherin> Can anyone tell me which CD I need for Core 2 Duo? Is it i386 or x86-64?
[12:31] <alex__> about ten times
[12:32] <alex__> was it updated latily?
[12:32] <poningru> slytherin: the former
[12:32] <Hobbsee> slytherin: the latter
[12:32] <poningru> Hobart: ...
[12:32] <Hobbsee> i thought...
[12:32] <Hobbsee> oh well, go with poningru
[12:32] <pari> :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> the core 2 duo's run 64 bit mode.  or can
[12:33] <slytherin> poningru: Hobbsee: which one exactly?
[12:33] <Lucifiel> slytherin: oh let me see, harry potter's huh? :P
[12:33] <poningru> buh...
[12:33] <poningru> slytherin, Hobbsee hold on let me go see
[12:33] <slytherin> Lucifiel: :-)
[12:33] <JDahl> can anyone here confirm that Trac (with Python2.5) doesn't work under Feisty?  I am having problems,  and this link (http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracForPython2.5) says I need to manually install clearsilver 0.10.4,   but I'd like to hear if others have problems before I start to manually installing replacements
[12:34] <gryfindor> OH BUH
[12:34] <Prof_snape> :P
[12:34] <gryfindor> slytherin: go with what Hobbsee said
[12:34] <gryfindor> it can do x86 instructions set
[12:34] <slytherin> poningru: Ok.
[12:34] <poningru> err x86-64*
[12:34] <poningru> rather
[12:35] <alex__> gryfindo, what can I do
[12:35] <ailean> how do i do a dist-upgrade rather than using the CD?
[12:35] <poningru> !upgrade | ailean
[12:35] <ubotu> ailean: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:35] <ailean> thanks poningru
[12:35] <alex__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/97023
[12:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 97023 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sound server problem with ubuntu feisty" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:35] <poningru> alex__: yeah like I said dude I dont have much exp with sound
[12:35] <slytherin> poningru: So x86-64 is final, right?
[12:35] <poningru> slytherin: yep
[12:35] <alex__> ok
[12:35] <alex__> about the wifi
[12:36] <alex__> there is the network thingy in the system tray
[12:36] <poningru> right
[12:36] <alex__> it recognize my soundcard and network but just doesn't connect
[12:36] <poningru> wificard*
[12:37] <alex__> I can do "sudo dhclient ra0" and then all is ok
[12:37] <poningru> oh
[12:37] <poningru> hmm
[12:37] <alex__> the wificard is ralink
[12:37] <poningru> its just not getting an ip address from your router
[12:37] <alex__> I guess so
[12:37] <alex__> and also didn't work on other networks
[12:38] <alex__> I can even set it manually from the gui
[12:38] <Prof_snape> hmmm I wonder if it's recommended to reinstall X if it has problems on feisty
[12:38] <slytherin> Hidan: Don't reinstall it. Just to dpkg-reconfigure
[12:38] <Hidan> slytherin: okay i'll copy down those commands.
[12:38] <alex__> well, I got to get away for awhile, sorry be back soon
[12:38] <poningru> alex__: that is weird I would say try reinstalling network-manager
[12:39] <Hidan> slytherin: what does dpkg mean anyways?
[12:39] <poningru> k
[12:39] <slytherin> Hidan: First tell me what the problem is
[12:39] <poningru> Hidan: its a command to redetect all the X things like it did during install time
[12:40] <shirish> !info dpkg
[12:40] <ubotu> dpkg: package maintenance system for Debian. In component main, is required. Version 1.13.24ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 1901 kB, installed size 6024 kB
[12:40] <Hidan> slytherin: poningru: In Feisty, everything stops responding. I've to hit alt + magic keys (every uncle is boy) to do a reboot.
[12:40] <slytherin> Hidan: Stops responding when?
[12:41] <poningru> shirish: its dpkg-reconfigure
[12:41] <shirish> Hidan: I usually do a ctrl+alt+backspace then it takes me to new login, without rebooting
[12:41] <Hidan> slytherin: well, it happens at random. Sometimes, when i'm chatting in Kopete or downloading emails from Thunderbird.
[12:41] <shirish> poningru: that is for configuring X, I have had very bad experience with that
[12:41] <shirish> poningru: are u trying it or who is trying it?
[12:41] <Hidan> shirish: mmm, when X stops responding, pressing ctrl +alt + backspace doesn't work.
[12:42] <slytherin> Hidan: Ok the try command 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' (without quotes) and see if reconfiguring makes any difference.
[12:42] <shirish> Hidan: ah for X responding, sorry I thought something else, sometimes when applications stop responding then I use that
[12:42] <Hidan> slytherin: ahhh okay  i'll do that as soon as i reboot into ubuntu.
[12:43] <shirish> Hidan: what is your graphics setup? Integrated or any graphics card?
[12:43] <Hidan> shirish: no problem.
[12:43] <Hidan> shirish: power color ati 9600 pro.
[12:44] <shirish> Hidan: ok rather than doing that, perhaps you could try the -ati-modesetting driver
[12:44] <Hidan> yeah, i know about the Ati problems with ubuntu but i can't just buy another mobos+ gfx card, simply to switch an o/s.
[12:44] <Suurorca> actually ai would rather try the magic sysrq+k (kill current console) before using the reboot spell...
[12:44] <Hidan> shirish: ooh okay.
[12:44] <Suurorca> if someone forgot to mention that one
[12:45] <shirish> Hidan: I changed my driver to i810-modesetting driver & things are way better than before. I get full resolutions
[12:45] <Hidan> shirish: what's i810 - modsetting ?
[12:45] <shirish> Hidan: i810 is the name of a driver family of integrated intel chipsets
[12:46] <icecruncher> kubuntu won't recognize my usb drive, what should I do?
[12:46] <shirish> Hidan: for e.g. here is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting/+bug/90213 the bug-report for intel
[12:46] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,Needs info]
[12:46] <Hidan> shirish: huh? integrated intel?! how does that work for an ati card?
[12:47] <shirish> Hidan: similarly search for your ati-modesetting drivers in bugsquad, I am guessing Timo also has drivers for you
[12:47] <Hidan> surroca: okay, yeah... the magic key is a bit better.
[12:47] <Hidan> shirish: oh phew lol
[12:48] <shirish> Hidan: they are testing these new drivers as by May end if enough people test it there should be good drivers for everybody, things are under testing
[12:50] <Hidan> shirish: hmmmm nothing for ati-modesetting
[12:50] <Hidan> google search for ati-modesetting = few results too. hmm
[12:51] <shirish> Hidan: it is just the logic of what is happening & how people are doing, what you will have to do is search in launch-pad for your drivers or write to Timo for this or even just look at things on his plate
[12:51] <shirish> Hidan: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-April/date.html these are the people who are working on releasing the source drivers
[12:51] <Hidan> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/
[12:51] <Hidan> hmmm
[12:52] <Hidan> looks like i took a bad time to switch to ubuntu lol
[12:53] <shirish> Hidan: on the contrary you took the perfect time, this issue had been going on for the last 1 1.5 years, finally the solutions are in sight
[12:54] <Hidan> shirish: great. =p
[12:54] <Hidan> shirish: may, huh?
[12:54] <capiira> hi hi its very difficult to take the lastest kernel source and compile it by myself? I need to compile it with a special option to make my scanner work :/
[12:54] <shirish> Hidan: something like that, nothing is officially declared, but if enough testers do the thing of testing
[12:55] <slytherin> capiira: It will be better if you log bug for porting the fix to Ubuntu kernel so that others will benefit from it.
[12:55] <shirish> capiira: my take would be to file a bug & tell them to make some module for it or something
[12:55] <Hidan> but it ain't so great when most of your licenses for proprietary s/w are expiring and you need linux to work. but linux at the same time, is giving you problems.
[12:56] <capiira> they dont really care for it becuase its cause by a new kernel feature USB_SUSPEND or so
[12:56] <shirish> Hidan: till last year, intel was not giving access to open source software developers to its integrated chipset details, now there is one guy who is being paid by them to work on drivers which can work on free software
[12:57] <capiira> and kernel team don't want to disable it because they think a notebook suspend feature is more important than a working canon scanners
[12:57] <Hidan> shirish: well, what caused the change of mind?
[12:57] <NewUser> i want to md5 hash code for fiestyfawn ? there is no listed on website ? so i want to Check my ISO.. with MD5SUM .. so how can i Check without md5 hash key ?
[12:58] <shirish> Hidan: I have no idea, there have been quite a few stories on slashdot.org about this, but then its all gossip
[12:58] <Hidan> shirish: huh.
[12:58] <capiira> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/85488
[12:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 85488 in sane-backends "Canon Lide25 (plustek backend) scanner does not scan via gui" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:58] <shirish> NewUser: have u checked on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:59] <shirish> Hidan: I mean the reasons behind Intel having a guy on the rolls doing work for free software even if it is just making drivers do better
[12:59] <shirish> NewUser: it is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:00] <NewUser> shirish: i have fiesty download iso.
[01:00] <slytherin> NewUser: When did you download the ISO?
[01:00] <NewUser> i want to check all files fine
[01:00] <shirish> NewUser: fine, is it the beta version or what?
[01:00] <NewUser> I just completed it today
[01:00] <NewUser> yes it is beta
[01:00] <shirish> NewUser: if you want I can hunt the beta md5sum for you & give it to you
[01:01] <slytherin> NewUser: Check this file http://releases.ubuntu.com/feisty/MD5SUMS
[01:01] <NewUser> shirish: really thanks for that if u can.
[01:01] <Hidan> shirish: Yeah i know what you mean. Man, now let's just all hope that they aren't scheming to do something malicious to Linux. =p Haha just j/k.
[01:01] <Hidan> shirish: anyways going to reboot into ubuntu now and try that. But seriously, i hope it gets more stable. =(
[01:02] <shirish> Hidan: it will it just need people who are passionate about it , each distro. adds another useful usability layer on the top
[01:02] <slytherin> Hidan: May be your problem is with enabling 'Desktop Effects'
[01:02] <Hidan> shirish: yeah, anyways I hope that the Ubuntu team will resolve the issues I've been facing.
[01:02] <capiira> so anyone know a link to a nice site that explains how to compile a kernel and install it?
[01:03] <Hidan> slytherin: mmm desktop effects aren't enabled on Feisty for me.
[01:03] <NewUser> slytherin: well thanks for that.. i put this code in compare tab.. then compare it. then msg comes " MD5 Check Sums Are the Same. " that mean Iso image is Valid for Use?
[01:03] <slytherin> Hidan: Ok. try that reconfigure command and let us know the results.
[01:04] <billy> NewUser: yes.
[01:04] <slytherin> NewUser: Yes, and if you are in doubt then you should be able to check installation media at the time of installation also.
[01:04] <assasukasse> i want to installa dc++ client, where should i get it?
[01:04] <NewUser> slytherin: okie get it :) thanks alot
[01:04] <NewUser> billy: thanks man
[01:04] <slytherin> NewUser: I mean may be the ISo is ok but something gets borked with CD
[01:04] <Hidan> slytherin: yeah sure. be back soon. !!!!
[01:04] <NewUser> slytherin: yea u r right.. first i check the media then try to install it.
[01:04] <billy> NewUser: but do what slytherin said.  Check the CD as well.
[01:05] <NewUser> billy: sure..
[01:05] <NewUser> thnks for all.. now going to install.. will be back later.
[01:05] <billy> good luck!
[01:05] <NewUser> ty
[01:05] <shirish> ah good, he got it I got into something else
[01:08] <Lucifiel> bah mmm
[01:10] <Lucifiel> slytherin: trying out gksudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now. however, it won't proceed past the "users of powerpc" part.
[01:11] <_filippo_> !info pre-released
[01:11] <ubotu> Package pre-released does not exist in feisty
[01:11] <Lucifiel> !dpkg-reconfigure
[01:11] <shirish> Lucifiel: u are using an i386 with power-ati card no?
[01:11] <Lucifiel> shirish: yes...
[01:11] <Lucifiel> !dpkg
[01:11] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[01:12] <shirish> Lucifiel: then why did u choose powerpc?
[01:12] <slytherin> Lucifiel: Try using just sudo instead of gksudo
[01:13] <Lucifiel> shirish: i didn't choose powerpc. it just booted me into the part of "users of powerpc machine and users of any computer..."
[01:13] <Lucifiel> slytherin: yeah, i used sudo.
[01:13] <shirish> Lucifiel: that is surely strange then
[01:14] <Lucifiel>
[01:14] <Lucifiel>   Users of PowerPC machines, and users of any computer with multiple video
[01:14] <Lucifiel>   devices, should specify the BusID of the video card in an accepted
[01:14] <Lucifiel>   bus-specific format.
[01:14] <Lucifiel> that's what the screen reads.
[01:14] <Lucifiel> oh well... i'm tired of working with ubuntu.
[01:15] <nomux> hi to all
[01:16] <darich> gah kernel updates are a pain :S
[01:16] <alex__> well, I'm back
[01:17] <shirish> alex__: hi how are u doing?
[01:17] <alex__> fine shirish
[01:17] <Lucifiel> great now i gotta restart...
[01:17] <Lucifiel> config.dat locked
[01:18] <shirish> Lucifiel: did u check for new drivers for your ati card on launchpad
[01:19] <alex__> shirish? did you want something?
[01:19] <shirish> alex__: nope I am happy atm, a cola would have been fine if you are asking :)
[01:19] <alex__> can anyone help me with my wificard
[01:19] <Lucifiel> shirish: do i look under bugs , answers or something else? gods, even launchpad is so hard to navigate.
[01:21] <alex__> shirish, don't you want my cola?
[01:21] <Stormx2> Upgrading and I keep getting this --> http://pastebin.ca/426743 <-- suggestions?
[01:21] <Stormx2> Well, not "keep getting"
[01:21] <Stormx2> but whenever its to do with initramfs it is
[01:21] <shirish> alex__: nope its good, but its always good to share right
[01:22] <shirish> Lucifiel: looking for something to direct to u
[01:23] <shirish> Lucifiel: look for something under xf86-video-ati-6.6.191 or below series, incidentally the 191 is the latest driver
[01:23] <alex__> right
[01:24] <alex__> well, about my wificard, can anyone help me with it?
[01:24] <Stormx2> If anyone has a mo have a look at my error please... I'm a little worried my ubuntu won't boot...
[01:24] <Lucifiel> shirish: thanks but do i search under answers or something else?
[01:29] <elmargol> How can I umount my ipod from the console without sudo?
[01:29] <elmargol> I can do It on gnome with the mouse
[01:30] <Lucifiel> shirish: it's okay... i'll probably look for xf86-video-ati-<IP_ADDRESS>
[01:30] <elmargol> eject does't work on feisty anymore
[01:33] <cafuego_> Ullo. Anyone successfully gotten 2.6.20-14 to boot?
[01:35] <varka> evolution shows me only empty window opening any mail
[01:35] <Suurorca> cafuego_: works perfectly fine here..
[01:36] <varka> cafuego_: here too
[01:36] <cafuego_> Rite. Mine gets as far as detecting drives, loading usb, finding ubnput devices, then locking up hard and rebooting after 30-odd seconds.
[01:37] <cafuego_> But -13 is fine.
[01:37] <cafuego_> I think the main difference is the new libata driver, so I guess I'll blame that.
[01:39] <Suurorca> anything interesting in bootlogs?
[01:39] <Lucifiel> shirish: btw, do you have any guide or something similar to help troubleshoot feisty?
[01:40] <cafuego_> Suurorca: Nope
[01:40] <Paddy_EIRE> hey guys trying to get wireless working on a DEll Inspiron 1501 anyone help
[01:40] <cafuego_> Suurorca: I did a verbose boot and it all looks normal.
[01:40] <Paddy_EIRE> !wireles
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireles - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <cafuego_> At the point where it's supposed to switch from the initrd to / and do some checking, it just stops.
[01:40] <Paddy_EIRE> !wireless
[01:40] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:42] <Suurorca> cafuego_: well, if you think it's the ata-driver, you should probably file a bugreport against kernel-source and include /var/log/boot and your specs
[01:43] <cafuego_> Suurorca: Well, without mouting / there is no /var/log/boot eh
[01:43] <Suurorca> ...it's empty?
[01:43] <cafuego_> I'll file a bug though
[01:43] <cafuego_> No, contains info from the 2.6.20-13 kernel, which boots fine.
[01:44] <Suurorca> ah ok, that's always the last boot, I guess
[01:44] <cafuego_> it never gets as far as mounting any disks, so it can not write any logs
[01:44] <Suurorca> anything in kern.log.0?
[01:44] <cafuego_> previous boot
[01:44] <Suurorca> Isuppose so...
[01:45] <cafuego_> (which was fine too ;-)
[01:45] <cafuego_> I cna trace it via serial console and a nullmodem cable, if i cna find the cable, but it reports nothing unusual.
[01:46] <Suurorca> kernel problems are always so nice to troubleshoot
[01:46] <cafuego_> tell me about it
[01:48] <enyc> hrrm ... feisty universe.. Should this be disucssed in herre (#ubuntu+1) or #ubuntu-motu  ??
[01:49] <cypherdelic> hello everyone
[01:49] <arejay> hi!
[01:49] <cypherdelic> cypherdelic@HaeckFlaisch:~$ ufoai./ufo: error while loading shared libraries: libjack-0.100.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:49] <cypherdelic> that file is definitly INSTALLED
[01:49] <cypherdelic> please help
[01:50] <arejay> ldd /usr/lib/libjack-0.100.0.so.0
[01:50] <cypherdelic> ok did that