[07:54] <epiloc> Gevaudan82, on average, *nix certified admins are paid 20k more pers year than windoze admins :)
[07:54] <BTJustice> hmmm
[07:54] <Kewlb> i'll agree to that.
[07:55] <Gevaudan82> epiloc: understandably so...i can set up everything you'd ever want in windows 2003 in about an hour
[07:55] <BTJustice> Well I'll try this one I just made a CD with and see if it works.  If not, I will get the latest one.  Thanks guys.
[07:55] <Bom> Windows is better for the end user but linux is so much more fun if you have some insight
[07:55] <Madpilot> BTJustice, if you install Breezy, you can update it to Dapper w/o reinstalling
[07:55] <SurfnKid> Flannel, hey man, yeah im looking at a list of compatible Bluetooth manufacturers. I just happened to run into mine. :)
[07:55] <BTJustice> Well for now I am gonna stick with the Live option.  Last time I tried it I didn;t like it.
[07:55] <epiloc> Gevaudan82, speed maybe not mean stability, but what you say is quite true
[07:55] <Kewlb> for the business I own, I do have windows servers for everything though :(.. but in my defense I wrote all my code in asp and just refuse to port it.
[07:56] <mutk> Kewlb, There's 2 mistakes :/
[07:56] <Gevaudan82> epiloc: that was microsoft's big marketing strategy during NT's release and it worked for the most part...get up and running in a  matter of hours...only because everything is by default turned "on" for the most part unlike unix where things must be manually turned "on"
[07:56] <Rizzla420> Good news, old windows has just been formmated
[07:56] <Bom> Microsoft should join rank with opensource.
[07:57] <Rizzla420> bad news.. new install has begun
[07:57] <Gevaudan82> Bom: never going to happen, i promise you this
[07:57] <Rizzla420> not a good idea to start a new install at 2am EST
[07:57] <Bom> Microsoft is about $. And I think Ubuntu will eventually be out to make a profit..
[07:58] <Rizzla420> *please dont let anything happen to my ubuntu partition*
[07:58] <nostrum> Rizzla420: i just did
[07:58] <Madpilot> Bom, Canonical already is, more or less.
[07:58] <Bom> true
[07:58] <Gevaudan82> Bom: the potential is there i agree...but most corporations especially small buisnesses will live and die by micrsoft for the support
[07:58] <Rizzla420> nostrum, you just did what? resinstalled windoz?
[07:58] <SurfnKid> As long as i can never be behind the Microsoft Knife when it comes to software piracy, Ubuntu will be my default OS
[07:58] <Bom> Support like what? i dont get that...you pay for windows and then what support do admins need?
[07:59] <SurfnKid> none
[07:59] <Rizzla420> gevendan82, i dont think its really just small business' i work for a large financial company and i doubt we'll ever switch to open source
[07:59] <wastrel> windows discussion really belongs in the offtopic channel :]
[07:59] <SurfnKid> wastrel, exactly
[07:59] <Rizzla420> true, this is the channel for my windows problems!
[07:59] <nostrum> Rizzla420: new ubuntu install
[07:59] <Gevaudan82> SurfnKid: some might disagree, but as far as I am concerned if pirated software is not being used for profit then meh...at least in terms of expensive packages like JBuilder and a number of the UML packages that exist
[07:59] <satempler> can any one tell me how to comile ndiswrapper
[08:00] <satempler> in edgy
[08:00] <SurfnKid> yep
[08:00] <Flannel> satempler: #ubuntu+1
[08:00] <satempler> I got most of it
[08:00] <epiloc> Gevaudan82, i agree, microsoft has made multi-billion dollar operating systems in the past, but it worries me when they slowly and consistently pile code on top of code... code unreadable by those of us who might be able to fix some of their deep-seeded problems- if only we had the opportunity to look at it
[08:00] <xevix> i think proprietary and oss/fsf each have their niches
[08:00] <SurfnKid> epiloc, i agree
[08:00] <SurfnKid> microsoft should just slowly die
[08:00] <Rizzla420> ah.. well my ubuntu install is just snazzy its my windows thats a pain in the buttox
[08:00] <Rizzla420> i keep infecting it with crap programs i get off bittorent
[08:01] <Gevaudan82> Rizzla420: i'm surprised you would run your web servers and public facing servers running windows...the number of exploits are so numberous, it's almost laughable...although i think windows 2003 server works great for lans and active directory works pretty good to
[08:01] <Rizzla420> sadly i cant pinpoint which one it is that keeps messin me up
[08:01] <Kewlb> is there an easy way to get "Places" and "System" to be expandable under the "Applications" dropdown to conserve menu space?
[08:01] <botxj> i want a Sony Vaio UX180P micro pc, you think i could install ubuntu on that?
[08:02] <Kewlb> eh, you can do an ok job of protecting the web servers with decent access-lists and nbar on a PIX
[08:02] <Bom> I dual XP/ubuntu My wife uses XP I use Ubuntu
[08:02] <Bom> I'm a rebel!
[08:02] <SurfnKid> I dont have a wife and I dual XP/ubuntu boot, whos the rebel now
[08:02] <SurfnKid> =]
[08:03] <Rizzla420> unless your using some really specific programs, i think she can probably do eveyrhitn she needs on ubuntu
[08:03] <wastrel> Kewlb:  you can remove the menu bar applet and replace it with the main menu applet
[08:03] <epiloc> i fear there may one day be a generation of coders working at microsoft (one day soon infact) -that have no idea what really makes windows tick... coders that take the 640k memory chip for granted....  coders that dig themselves into deeper and deeper holes
[08:03] <SurfnKid> she'll especially like the cube
[08:03] <Rizzla420> i have a gf, and i use ubuntu.  I tried to get her to switch, but she said i love my computers too much
[08:03] <Gevaudan82> Kewlb: i was in a defense competition a year back and the windows 2003 server running IIS was the primary target and the one we had most difficulty securing...kind of contradicts microsoft's original server marketing strategy
[08:03] <SurfnKid> and if you place a neat creative background on the skydome, she'll love it
[08:03] <Rizzla420> wtf is that about??
[08:03] <wastrel> Kewlb:  i don't know why i didn't think of doing that before...  mmm more panel space <3
[08:03] <botxj> does anybody here own a UMPC?
[08:03] <Gevaudan82> Kewlb: dcom exploits mainly
[08:03] <Flannel> guys, windows discussion doesn't belong in #ubuntu, take it to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[08:04] <Rizzla420> sorry flannel.. i get carried away..
[08:04] <Kewlb> Gevaudan82, I never said it was pretty.. I will admit its fairly insecure.. you can just hedge a lot of it with a good firewall config.. esp if you have firewall+ids IOS
[08:04] <Flannel> Rizzla420: it happens, no big deal.
[08:04] <SurfnKid> :X
[08:04] <epiloc> Flannel, why?  with ubuntu on the rise, it seems only natural for users to wonder why they are still attached to their windows boxes
[08:04] <Kewlb> I admit I loved the idea of linux, but would never consider running it as a main OS until ubuntu
[08:04] <Kewlb> and now after a week I find myself going into windows less and less
[08:05] <Flannel> epiloc: because #ubuntu is strictly a support channel, even general ubuntu-related chatter belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:05] <epiloc> exactly my point
[08:05] <Kewlb> once I figure out some funky crap with rdesktop I will never have to go back
[08:05] <wastrel> holy schwakamole i have a lot of free space on my gnome panel.  <3  <3  <3
[08:05] <Gevaudan82> epiloc: last thing flannel and i'm done...quite frankly, most of the competing open source software just can't compete with what windows has...gimp while good doesn't hold a candle to photoshop nor does bluefish to dreamweaver
[08:05] <epiloc> Flannel, maybe one day there will be a #ubuntuVSwindows
[08:05] <Flannel> epiloc: #ubuntu-offtopic works quite well for it, on the occassion it gets brought up ;)
[08:05] <botxj> does anybody here own a UMPC?
[08:06] <botxj> i'd be great to install ubuntu on one of those
[08:06] <botxj> it'd*
[08:06] <Rizzla420> ok well to keep things on topic (while my shh.. windows reinstall keeps trucking) how come firefox and thunderbird take forever to load in ubuntu?
[08:06] <epiloc> Gevaudan82, 2 big reasons why im still stuck :(
[08:06] <raknam> where can i get a serial number for vmware server? they're free right?
[08:06] <SurfnKid> Rizzla420, try getting a faster processor
[08:07] <Gevaudan82> raknam: to downoad you should have had to register
[08:07] <Rizzla420> surnkid, im cookin on a 2.93Ghz playa with 1GB of ram
[08:07] <SurfnKid> :|
[08:07] <Gevaudan82> rakman: pay no attention once you install to the message "...taints kernal" it's just because it is a commercial service
[08:07] <SurfnKid> try erasing some cache or something man
[08:07] <wastrel> Rizzla420:  breezy had a problem with that iirc.
[08:07] <SurfnKid> oh you on breezy, im on diaper
[08:07] <Kewlb> wastrel, ohh yeah that is much better now. also setup shortcut keys to change workspace so I could remove the workspace selector and removed the bottom bar all together
[08:07] <Kewlb> much cleaner
[08:07] <Rizzla420> funny thing, the only way i was able to get ubuntu installed was first buying a damn book that had the breezy cd, then doing the update to dapper
[08:08] <Rizzla420> i had burned the dapper iso, but none of them worked, kept getting errors on this pc, it worked on my other laptop though..
[08:08] <rendo> Okay, I did a complete removal of mysql php apache, etc etc etc, and I still get the SAME BULLCRAP error with mysql when trying to set the password.  error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[08:08] <Kewlb> anyone know of a good terminal emulation program (like for configuring routers and such via serial port) for linux?
[08:08] <Rizzla420> i pretty much paid 40 bucks for ubuntu
[08:08] <raknam> i  registered after i downloaded and mostly installed it because someone told me thats how i get the reg code but i still can't find where to get it
[08:08] <SurfnKid> Rizzla420, weird, sorry to hear you had problems, my first DVD iso worked, right after burning it, tho the install was a PITA, after a few times i finally got it going
[08:09] <wastrel> rendo:  your mysql data directory contains a password somewhere in it - did you use -purge when you removed the mysql packages?
[08:09] <ChickenTalons> Kewlb, terminal is built in
[08:09] <ChickenTalons> should be in accesories or system tools
[08:09] <rendo> I removed them completely from synaptic wastrel
[08:09] <SurfnKid> Rizzla420, I'd rather be without an OS than pay for it
[08:09] <Flannel> rendo: you follow the instructions on the wiki page?
[08:09] <Rizzla420> oh well, luckily everything is working now.  its still 40bucks well spent even though i havent even read the book
[08:09] <Flannel> !tell rendo about lamp
[08:09] <Flannel> rendo: you do need to do some setting up of everything ,after installing
[08:10] <Rizzla420> the only reason i bought it was cuz i couldnt wait the 4-6 weeeks for the ubuntu cd's. of which i got yesterday
[08:10] <Gevaudan82> i buy a ton of network/os/programming books...most of what you can find using google doesn't put things in perspective like a good book can
[08:10] <SurfnKid> Rizzla420, well if you worry later on down the line and ubuntu starts charging for rights of installation and such, you can always claim you bought the cd :)
[08:10] <Rizzla420> haha, true
[08:10] <SurfnKid> hehe
[08:10] <SurfnKid> Gevaudan82, true
[08:10] <Rizzla420> i should read that book though, get myself aquainted with some stuff
[08:10] <Kewlb> ChickenTalons, I see and use the termninal a lot, but I dont see a way for it to connect to a COM port
[08:10] <Rizzla420> so far everythign i've been doing is how-to/forum based
[08:10] <Kewlb> maybe I am overlooking it
[08:11] <Rizzla420> plus lots and lots of mistakes, i can configure XGL with my eyes closed now
[08:11] <sess> how do I write a value to scaling_max_freq? when I try to do a echo "1800000" > scaling_max_freq, it says permission denied despite me using sudo
[08:11] <SurfnKid> yeah, I got on linux only cuz ubuntu was easy to install and get the GUI going, now I can probably get a red hat, debian, or gentoo install all by myself, I just didnt know any commands, what they did, behind the scenes, but its way easier than what i thought
[08:11] <Gevaudan82> Rizzla420: has the novelty worn off are do you use XGL on a day-2-day basis?
[08:12] <Rizzla420> i still use it on a day to day basis.  granted i hate the wobbly effect
[08:12] <SurfnKid> i cant survive without xgl now
[08:12] <Rizzla420> but the only thing i like is the scale thing to show all my windows and the slick alt+tab
[08:12] <Flannel> Rizzla420: you can turn that off, you know.
[08:12] <rendo> Flannel:  Does the LAMP walkthrough give those instructions, or do I have to look for more crappy walkthroughs that lead me to the same crap issues?
[08:13] <Rizzla420> and everynow and then i get fancy with the cub
[08:13] <Flannel> rendo: yes, it gives those instructions
[08:13] <Rizzla420> yea, i turned wobbly off
[08:13] <SurfnKid> wobbly just makes your eyes spin more
[08:13] <SurfnKid> if the window turned, stop already! but no, it keeps wobbling 0_0
[08:13] <Gevaudan82> Rizzla420: i read you can turn it on in gconf...i had it working in suse once...never cared to pursue it on ubuntu mainly because it serves 50% of the time as my desktop and 50% as a public/private server w/ pretty active traffic
[08:13] <SurfnKid> :P
[08:14] <SurfnKid> well i guess i better get to slee
[08:15] <GNAM> kernel 2.6.18 O U T!!!
[08:15] <Gevaudan82> g'nite SurfnKid
[08:15] <SurfnKid> kernel 2.6.12-25 xgl O U t !!!
[08:15] <Flannel> !offtopic
[08:15] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[08:15] <SurfnKid> Gevaudan82, nite man
[08:15] <llama32> i went to log in just then, and i couldn't... it would start xfce/kde/gnome, but they'd just crash or stall while starting... only 9WM and E17 seem to work... i have ample free disk space and such - what could be preventing them from starting?
[08:15] <botxj> i want a Sony Vaio UX180P
[08:16] <Rizzla420> sorry for by brief absence, but i just finished reinstalling xp
[08:16] <Gevaudan82> Flannel: well it is 2:15 am at least on the east coast...i suppose the rules can bend about this hour ;)
[08:16] <Rizzla420> alright, got my xp situtation back (look ma, no more viruses! (for now) )
[08:16] <Rizzla420> now.. *gasp* is where i'll need the help
[08:16] <Rizzla420> i need to get grub back
[08:17] <botxj> grub is good
[08:17] <botxj> lilo better?
[08:17] <rendo> WHAT THE HELL.  SAME BULL CRAP with the LAMP setup steps too.  error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[08:18] <Flannel> rendo: did you follow the entire guide?
[08:18] <Gevaudan82> rendo: is the service started (sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart)? can you login (mysql -u root)? If so set a password after exiting from mysql by typing exit (sudo mysqladmin passwd root newpassword)
[08:19] <Gevaudan82> rendo: then to login with your new password: mysql -u root -p
[08:19] <Flannel> rendo: it's all on that page ;) tells you how to create a non-root, grant everything, etc.
[08:19] <rendo> I can't even log on.
[08:19] <rendo> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[08:19] <outofblue> quit
[08:20] <MorphDK> Hi there, I get an error message every time I try to install flashplugin_nonfree. Can somebody please help me?
[08:20] <Gevaudan82> MorphDK: someone mentioned earlier that there was a bug doing that released earlier today
[08:20] <azureal> flannel lives for ubuntu problems
[08:21] <MorphDK> Gevaudan82, do you know how to install it then?
[08:21] <Rizzla420> ok guys, need all your brain power
[08:21] <Flannel> rendo: did you follow that guide, the WHOLE way through? where it talks about setting a root password for mysql, etc?
[08:21] <rendo> That's what I'm trying to do.
[08:21] <Gevaudan82> MorphDK: i installed it using apt-get like you are trying to do...if i were you, i'd wait a day or two and try again and i'm sure things will be fixed since the bug has already made it to irc
[08:21] <Ryan_>  im booting from a live cd trying to change some display setting on an installed kubuntu how do i get permission  to access the .kde file to get to my config file
[08:21] <rendo> It WON'T SET the root password for mysql
[08:22] <wastrel> MorphDK:  flashplugin-nonfree is the name of the package
[08:22] <rendo> THAT is the error it gives EVERYTIME
[08:22] <Rizzla420> damn it! kernel panic
[08:22] <rendo> I've removed it completely like people have suggested 3 times now and the SAME crap still happens.
[08:22] <Flannel> rendo: what command are you doing that gives the error?
[08:22] <MorphDK> wastrel, i know, typing error
[08:22] <mutk> rendo, Got a link to the guide you're following ?
[08:22] <MorphDK> Gevaudan82, but I really would like to use flash today :/
[08:22] <rendo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#head-2b91cc1ce37842102d20e88e029477b035bee150
[08:22] <wastrel> MorphDK:  flashplugin-nonfree is in multiverse - have you added the multiverse repository?
[08:23] <Gevaudan82> MorphDK: you can always manually download it and then configure the mozilla plugin yourself...probally not worth it honestly imho
[08:23] <MorphDK> wastrel, it downloads the package fine, it's when installing I get the error..
[08:23] <Rizzla420> GOD DAMN IT.. thiss is the same bullshit i had the firs time i tried installing ubuntu.. "invalid compressed format (err=2") -System halted
[08:23] <MorphDK> Gevaudan82, okay i'll just wait then :) thanks
[08:23] <Flannel> !language
[08:23] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:24] <Rizzla420> ubotu, sorry man
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sorry man - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:24] <botxj> isnt ubotu a bot?
[08:24] <Flannel> Rizzla420: booting from a self-burned CD? or what?
[08:24] <Gevaudan82> ^^^^ bot...he kind of smells anyway
[08:24] <Rizzla420> nah, this is a cd i got mailed to me from ubuntu's wherever
[08:25] <Flannel> rendo: what command are you doing that gives the error?
[08:25] <rendo> root@ubuntu:/usr# mysql -u root ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[08:25] <mutk> rendo, Hmm A couple of critical steps are omitted there.. Like starting the server..
[08:25] <rendo> It is started.
[08:26] <Flannel> mutk: that's done automatically by the package manager
[08:26] <darnell> what command tells me about my system.. as in motherboard information
[08:27] <fyrestrtr> rendo: mysql -u root -p then hit enter when it asks you for a password.
[08:27] <fyrestrtr> darnell: sudo lshw
[08:27] <rendo> Same thing fyrstrtr
[08:27] <fyrestrtr> rendo: did you install mysql-server ?
[08:27] <rendo> root@ubuntu:/usr# mysql -u root -pEnter password: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[08:27] <rendo> Ye
[08:27] <rendo> Yes*
[08:28] <Rizzla420> grr..
[08:28] <Rizzla420> this is what happens when you start install stuff at 2am
[08:28] <Flannel> rendo: er, tried entering your root password?
[08:28] <rendo> YES. :@
[08:28] <rendo> Same thing.
[08:28] <fyrestrtr> rendo: is this the first time you have logged into mysql?
[08:28] <Rizzla420> yea! i've got windows back! BOOOOOO! i lost ubuntu
[08:28] <rendo> Pretty much.
[08:28] <Rizzla420> my losses have far exceeded my gains at this point
[08:28] <fyrestrtr> !grub
[08:28] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager.  Donemysql-server is already the newest version.0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[08:29] <rendo> Yes.
[08:29] <drumline> I tried to load the Vista beta with 512MB of RAM in a VM like VMWare suggested and the damned thing whined about not having enough memory to enter 64 bit mode.
[08:29] <fyrestrtr> Rizzla420: form a complete thought, type it out, then hit the enter key. Don't use the enter key as punctuation.
[08:29] <Gevaudan82> Kewlb: by default there is no root password
[08:30] <rendo> I swear I'll just format and re-install if it keeps this crap up.
[08:30] <Kewlb> Gevaudan82, right.. which I doubt you could run things as root if there is no password defined. (at least in Solaris)
[08:30] <rendo> I follow instructions EXACTLY like they are, and it doesn't work.
[08:30] <rendo> I listen to you guys, still doesn't work.
[08:30] <fyrestrtr> rendo: first, get out of the root shell you are in.
[08:30] <rendo> It's like it hates me.
[08:30] <rendo> K
[08:30] <fyrestrtr> rendo: then, try mysql -u root -p
[08:30] <rendo> same thing
[08:31] <fyrestrtr> rendo: if that doesn't work, sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server
[08:31] <fyrestrtr> rendo: then re-install it again.
[08:31] <Gevaudan82> listen to this guy ^^
[08:31] <rendo> Re-installed, now what.
[08:31] <Rizzla420> fyrestrtr, here's the deal.  My winXP was shot due to viruses i wanted to format, knowing that it would kill restructure my mbr to make ubuntu non existant
[08:31] <Rizzla420> i formatted, reinstalled windows
[08:31] <Gevaudan82> rendo: sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[08:31] <Netslayer> anyone know how to fix the mythphone SIP crap that makes mythfrontend segfault in ubuntu dapper?
[08:31] <rendo> I did that already.
[08:31] <fyrestrtr> rendo: now, sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart
[08:32] <Rizzla420> and now im trying to install gub again
[08:32] <Rizzla420> *grub
[08:32] <Gevaudan82> after you uninstalled? that was awfully quick
[08:32] <rendo> Done.
[08:32] <Netslayer> i can't seem to uninstall mythphone... and so i can't start mythfrontend
[08:32] <fyrestrtr> rendo: now, mysql -u root -p and hit enter, then at the Password: prompt, hit enter again (don't type anything).
[08:32] <Rizzla420> but i cant boot to live CD bcause i keep getting the "invalid compressed format (err=2_ --System halted" error
[08:32] <Rizzla420> but i cant boot to live CD bcause i keep getting the "invalid compressed format (err=2) --System halted" error
[08:32] <rendo> Same error.
[08:33] <Gevaudan82> Rizzla420: could be a corrupt disk
[08:33] <rendo> denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
[08:33] <fyrestrtr> rendo: what do you get when you type lsb_release -a
[08:33] <LC> why mp3 dont work ? :)
[08:33] <Rizzla420> not a corrupt disk, these are the disks i got from ubuntu directly via mail
[08:33] <Rizzla420> this is the 2nd one i tried
[08:33] <wastrel> !mp3
[08:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:33] <Gevaudan82> LC: search the ubuntu wiki...it's all there
[08:33] <gemeindebau> hello folks. i am trying to install windows on my new computer, but the installations stops / hangs when it tells me "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel. i tried the most obvious options but the result stays the same
[08:33] <Rizzla420> i was having the same error with another disk i had burned
[08:33] <rendo> No LSB modules are available.Distributor ID: UbuntuDescription:    Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTSRelease:        6.06Codename:       dapper
[08:33] <Rizzla420> i think it might be my cdrom, but i had tried another cdrom and still the same issue
[08:34] <Rizzla420> does Knoppix have grub?
[08:34] <gemeindebau> sorry! i am trying to install ubuntu, NOT windows :)
[08:34] <fyrestrtr> rendo: did you ever set a root password in the system?
[08:34] <rendo> Yes.
[08:34] <Rizzla420> rendo, yes to who? me?
[08:34] <Gevaudan82> Rizzla420: not sure if it is grub but it has a bootloader
[08:34] <LC> Rizzla420: Knoppix have lilo
[08:34] <rendo> Wait, root for my system not mysql right?
[08:34] <fyrestrtr> rendo: both, did you set either one?
[08:34] <Rizzla420> crap.. is there anyway to use knoppix to install grub?
[08:34] <rendo> For the system, yes, for mysql it won't.
[08:35] <rendo> Gives those errors.
[08:35] <Gevaudan82> rendo: the password for your system root and mysql are totally different
[08:35] <rendo> I don't have a password for mysql because it won't set.
[08:35] <rendo> I can't even SET the password, I'm not even passed that step.
[08:35] <Gevaudan82> rendo: as i mentioned, your mysql passwords are stored in the database mysql under your database tree
[08:35] <fyrestrtr> rendo: when you login to mysql as root, try your system's root password.
[08:35] <azureal> Rizzla420, you installed windows, then linux, and you dont have grub...?
[08:36] <rendo> Same problem fyrestrtr
[08:36] <fyrestrtr> rendo: then something else is wrong.
[08:36] <gemeindebau> Actually, it tells me: Uncompressing Kernel then i get the screen where it says as second option: Mounting File System ... where i do NOT get an OK at the end, it jumps back to the non graphic Uncompressing Linux ... Ok, booting the kernel and there it stays
[08:36] <RogerRabb> I'm pretty keen to try out how edgy eft is going.. from dapper can I just edit my sources.list so then it'll get all the libraries for edgy?
[08:36] <Rizzla420> no, i init8ially installed windows first, then linux, but then reinstalled windows cuz it was corrupt
[08:36] <fyrestrtr> RogerRabb: no, don't recommend you do that.
[08:36] <Rizzla420> but now i lost grub becasue i reinstalled
[08:37] <RogerRabb> oh, so a fresh install or nothing fyrestrtr?
[08:37] <rendo> I can't wait until I get my osap in.
[08:37] <rendo> I can buy a new machine and throw this one into a corner somewhere and ignore it
[08:37] <fyrestrtr> RogerRabb: yes.
[08:37] <rendo> Just hates Ubuntu and mysql :@
[08:37] <gemeindebau> there is no kernel panic, and i can soft reset the system at that moment, but even after having tried the most obvious boot options there is no difference. Well if i type nolapic it tells met that there is no apic or something like that
[08:38] <n0dl> is there a method of acessing network-manager via a terminal emulator in X? or do i have to have network-manager-gnome?
[08:38] <botxj> what's a kernel panic?
[08:38] <fyrestrtr> rendo: you did something else, because there is no way that mysql would not let you in.
[08:38] <RogerRabb> fyrestrtr how about when edgy is officially released - will I be able to upgrade by editing sources.list or fresh install again?
[08:38] <RobNyc|Ubuntu> how can i play .wmv files ?
[08:38] <fyrestrtr> RogerRabb: no, then you'll be able to upgrade.
[08:38] <Gevaudan82> botxj: :( as far as i'm concerned
[08:38] <fyrestrtr> RogerRabb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:38] <rendo> Well, is there any thing you can suggest that could possibly fix it then?
[08:38] <rendo> Besides re-installing the entire OS
[08:39] <gemeindebau> RobNyc|Ubuntu: check on the site ubuntuguide.org where there is a real smart and easy way (automatix) to install the necessary support for wmv files
[08:39] <azureal> what fyrestrtr said was meant for you, RobNyc|Ubuntu
[08:39] <RogerRabb> RobNyc|Ubuntu that was for you ^ the restricted formats guide
[08:39] <RobNyc|Ubuntu> gemeindebau, i have automatix
[08:39] <fyrestrtr> rendo: did you only install it from repos, or did you install it from somewhere else, didn't work, then installed it from the repos again?
[08:39] <botxj> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:39] <RobNyc|Ubuntu> and installed everything
[08:39] <indigoblu> botxj, its the blue screen of death
[08:39] <wastrel> if you have root can't you manually go in and edit the password directly in the mysql database
[08:39] <rendo> I installed it from the repos
[08:39] <botxj> linux has a BSOD?
[08:39] <fyrestrtr> gemeindebau: do NOT recommend automatix in here.
[08:39] <wastrel> it's stored in a file somewhere under the database tree iirc
[08:39] <wastrel> been a while since i played with mysql
[08:39] <Gevaudan82> wastrel: if you mean root by system root then no
[08:39] <fyrestrtr> wastrel: no :)
[08:39] <gemeindebau> fyrestrtr: sorry. i was not the only one. but i understand your concern perfectly
[08:40] <wastrel> why not?
[08:40] <Gevaudan82> wastrel: b/c the db is stored in binary format
[08:40] <wastrel> ah nvm i was thinking of postgres
[08:40] <Rizzla420> any ideas on how to get grub back without the livecd, but using knoppix instead?
[08:40] <fyrestrtr> wastrel: because its not stored in a file, its stored in a database.
[08:40] <azureal> ooh! automatix.. let me see what it does =P
[08:40] <Rizzla420> im loading knoppix now
[08:40] <Rob00000> dumb question for anyone: how does one enter diacritics in polytonic greek?
[08:40] <fyrestrtr> Rizzla420: if knoppix has grub, just set it up on your main disk.
[08:40] <Rob00000> can't find it in any of the documentation.
[08:41] <azureal> lol
[08:41] <wastrel> !gr
[08:41] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr
[08:41] <rbowell> Hi All , im trying to install oracle client on Ubuntu but im getting this error .. /bin/chown: `oracle:dba': invalid user
[08:41] <rbowell>  any ideas ?
[08:41] <fyrestrtr> rbowell: do you have a user called oracle and a group called dba on your system?
[08:41] <Gevaudan82> i swear all...i fudged up my mysql password once...doing a complete removal, installing it again allowed me to login just fine...so i am clueless what the probalem could be after doing the troubleshooting already done
[08:41] <Rob00000> been there (empty) ;)
[08:41] <fyrestrtr> rbowell: there is a wiki entry that explains how to install Oracle properly.
 ok ill add the user and group see how it goes :)
[08:42] <azureal> Rob00000, google is your friend
[08:42] <ehime> Would someone be able to answer a technical ? for me about an Ubuntu migration?
[08:42] <Gevaudan82> ehime: just ask the question for future reference
[08:43] <n0dl> how would i start network-manager-gnome from a terminal emulator?
[08:43] <Rizzla420> Sweet, knoppix has grub.
[08:43] <Rizzla420> lifesaver!
[08:43] <n0dl> ermm... whats the command? network-manager-gnome & ?
[08:43] <azureal> it's probably gnome-network-manager... maybe you got the words reversed
[08:44] <ehime> bitte, I plan on migrating a VAIO machine that has a dual core pentium processor, I wanted to know if there is something "special" i need to ensure compatibility
[08:44] <Gevaudan82> n0dl: i don't think that you can...although network-manager-gnome is just a frontend for the configuration files which you CAN edit using the terminal
[08:44] <fyrestrtr> ehime: desktop or laptop?
[08:44] <wastrel> n0dl:  the command is  network-admin  i think
[08:44] <azureal> n0dl, you can always "ls /usr/bin | grep gnome" to see a list of commands that contain gnome
[08:44] <ehime> I haven't had exp with dual cores and linux distro's before, i tried a dig but couldn't find anything on the subject
[08:44] <ehime> desktop
[08:45] <ehime> just post install statistics and crap
[08:45] <fyrestrtr> ehime: for dual core support, you'd need a kernel that has SMP support. Ubuntu provides one, but its not installed by default. So, once you get the base system installed, first thing I would do is install linux-686 to get SMP support.
[08:45] <gemeindebau> ehime: i've got a dual 2 extreme in my new computer here, but i am unable to even boot the live cd
[08:45] <Gevaudan82> ehime: honestly, your best bet is to spend a day or two and try it out for yourself...at least then you will know what works and what doesn't wheras you can finetune your searches
[08:45] <fyrestrtr> ehime: after that, you have the 'normal' problems that anyone else has, like hardware that doesn't work properly, etc. If your desktop has any sony specific hardware, then that might not work -- other than that, it should be okay.
[08:45] <ehime> true, just want to make sure with a standard distro the screen won't stay black
[08:45] <Gevaudan82> ehime: if it helps I have a dual core ibm t60p...i installed the 686 smp kernel and things work fine
[08:46] <ehime> I wasn't sure if it would only recognize a single processor or the second core
[08:46] <ehime> or... neither
[08:46] <Gevaudan82> ehime: by default it won't recognize the dual core...you have to install the 686 smp kernel yourself
[08:46] <fyrestrtr> it would recognize the first core, but once you install the smp kernel, it will recognize both.
[08:46] <ehime> not sure what's t60p, still new to dualcores
[08:46] <fyrestrtr> ehime: its a model number for Thinkpads.
[08:47] <Gevaudan82> ehime: basically a dual core laptop...2.0ghz intel dual core
[08:47] <ehime> hm, recognize it the same as a desktop then
[08:47] <ehime> i guess proc is the same but mobo config would vary
[08:47] <fyrestrtr> the computer doesn't care (much) if you are on a desktop or a laptop.
[08:48] <ehime> good stuff looking for the port now, thx for the help
 i managed to instsll oracle-xe-client, now how do i do a tnsping ?
[08:48] <botxj> wow would ya look at that http://mozy.org/vaio/ a guy installed Ubuntu on a Sony Vaio UX180P
[08:48] <rbowell> fyrestrtr i managed to instsll oracle-xe-client, now how do i do a tnsping ?
[08:48] <fyrestrtr> rbowell: as I told you earlier, read the wiki :)
[08:48] <rbowell> grrr
[08:49] <Gevaudan82> nice machine...looks slick
[08:49] <ehime> lol bot
[08:49] <ehime> same here, least im trying
[08:49] <elkbuntu> !nz
[08:49] <ubotu> nz is the New Zealand LoCo Team has a channel at #ubuntu-nz
[08:49] <Rizzla420> what would be considered my ubuntu partition?  where my root folder is or where my home folder is?
[08:49] <Rizzla420> i created seperate partitions for each
[08:50] <wastrel> root
[08:50] <Gevaudan82> rizzla420: where your root is
[08:50] <Rizzla420> cool, thanks, dumb ques, i know ,but just wanted to make sure
[08:50] <ehime> lol where's root
[08:50] <Gevaudan82> sometimes i like to refer to myself as root
[08:51] <ehime> lol
[08:51] <ehime> nice ego
[08:51] <botxj> i like to refer to myself as sudo-man
[08:51] <v4m21> how to get into rescue mode using kubuntu 6.06 LTS cd ?
[08:51] <Gevaudan82> i'm too lazy to type sudo after every command but i'm not so bad i log in to the window manager as root
[08:52] <botxj> Gevaudan82 you're kidding me! lol
[08:52] <Gevaudan82> v4m21: press esc quick once the grub boot loader comes on and click rescue mode
[08:52] <v4m21> grub was gone after installing windows. I am trying to reinstall the grub.
[08:52] <ehime> gev here's a good question, what's a good way to tell ppl you refuse to fix their computers
[08:52] <Gevaudan82> v4m21: uh oh
[08:52] <kishore> v4m21, how to install grub. after. installing windows
[08:53] <v4m21> just get into rescue mode.
[08:53] <Gevaudan82> ehime: just fix them up with a vmware image if worst comes to worst and tell them to overwrite it if they fudge things up
[08:53] <kishore> then...
[08:53] <v4m21> mount /
[08:53] <v4m21> and use grub-install <device name>
[08:53] <wastrel> tell them you can only work with linux computers
[08:53] <v4m21> sudo grub-install <devicename>
[08:54] <kishore> booting from windows cd. or ubuntu
[08:54] <v4m21> ubuntu cd
[08:54] <Gevaudan82> better yet tell them you got arrested for a hacking charge and can't touch a computer for X years
[08:54] <ehime> lol
[08:55] <Gevaudan82> i'm sure they'll understand
[08:55] <ehime> I always tell em something fried you'll have to buy an xxxx
[08:55] <abo> hi
[08:55] <ehime> the looks people give you when they find out their erratic hdd is intercepting russian satellite transmissions is priceless
[08:56] <AN_DI_EN> hai
[08:56] <ehime> or atleast thats what I tell em
[08:56] <AN_DI_EN> hai
[08:56] <Gevaudan82> if i could only scroll through all the hits snort has detected from romania probing my ssh port...man oh man
[08:56] <ehime> lol
[08:57] <ehime> snort > writefile > garbage
[08:57] <AN_DI_EN> hai
[08:57] <Gevaudan82> honestly, makes you wonder if i'm living in the right country...apparently they know somethin we don't
[08:57] <ehime> in that order
[08:57] <abo> I'm having an error after trying to update the flash plugin (none free) , any ideas?  it asks me if I agree to the license terms, I say yes, it downloads something, and then I get a update-rc.d error (which give me the usage message)
[08:57] <ehime> evidently not enough if they keep trying
[08:57] <abo> can anyone help me?
[08:57] <AN_DI_EN> alo
[08:57] <ehime> prolly trying to hax0rs your winbox
[08:57] <ehime> lol
[08:57] <Gevaudan82> IDS systems will be dead within 5 years but it at least lets me know how public my ip really is
[08:58] <ehime> you should onion route
[08:58] <ehime> save a lot of drama
[08:58] <indigoblu> Gevaudan82, Intrusion Detection dead in 5 years?
[08:58] <Gevaudan82> abo: there was a bug already mentioned resulting from this...wait a day or two until it gets patched...it's not just you :)
[08:59] <abo> Gevaudan82, thanks
[08:59] <ehime> i doubt id will ever lose a market share as long as kids are curious
[08:59] <Gevaudan82> indigoblu: too many false conflicts, way too many...it's hardly worth mining through anymore...it's all based on signature and well hackers know what the signatures are just as the security professionals do...they will and are getting around it
[09:00] <Gevaudan82> detecting an nmap scan isn't exactly what i would consider a threat
[09:00] <indigoblu> Gevaudan82, I somewhat agree, we are starting to work more with custom host based intrusion detection  systems
[09:00] <ehime> i think a good majority or the hackers are making money of of the discoveries selling them to the security buffs.... after everyone is in the know and starting to worry or course
[09:01] <Gevaudan82> ehime: i'd prefer it this way honestly and i encourage it...rather than for them to post exploits on newsgroups and websites before patching
[09:01] <ehime> packetstorm
[09:01] <ehime> lol
[09:01] <ehime> i agree
[09:02] <ehime> i know a lot of the companies local to me (Seattle) are hiring out tigerteams though
[09:02] <Gevaudan82> but it is a buyer's market...i just hope hackers don't get too greedy and demand a price way too high much like data recovery services often do imho
[09:02] <ehime> lol @ data recovery the oil tycoon of the internet world
[09:04] <fyrestrtr> hrmm, guys -- all this talk is nice, but its better suited for #ubuntu-offtopic. Please keep this channel clear for support related questions.
[09:04] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, nickspamming is not nice
[09:05] <Gevaudan82> i think i'm ready to pass out anyhow...sorry fyrestrtr, i get carried away...g'night all
[09:05] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, it would have been more spam for me to quit and rejoin ;)
[09:05] <Rob00000> mmmkay, i've searched long enough to believe that there is no clearly defined answer.
[09:05] <shinobi2> i have vino installed, how do i know if it's running? i am trying to rdp into ubuntu from another OS
[09:06] <ehime> lol
[09:06] <Rizzla420> that didnt work..
[09:06] <Rob00000> so if anyone has suggestions on how to enter diacritics, i'd love to hear em (or even have a link given.)
[09:06] <Rizzla420> i followed the instructions to no avail..
[09:06] <ehime> kernel panic smp struck me out
[09:06] <JNeverMind> that other hd mustve been stopping me from writing to mbr somehow
[09:06] <JNeverMind> it installed and booted fine on this 2gb'er
[09:07] <ehime> back to the drawing board and my knoppix cd
[09:07] <ehime> bb
[09:07] <Rizzla420> ehime, you must be whre im at
[09:07] <Rizzla420> u trying to fix your mbr
[09:07] <Rizzla420> i'm using knoppix
[09:07] <Rizzla420> tried to do the instructions i found here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=256209&highlight=grub
[09:08] <Rizzla420> but it didnt work, even though it looked successful, no grub, booted right into winxp
[09:09] <mainer> Rizzla420:  what hdd/artiton like hda3,etc...
[09:09] <mainer> partition
[09:09] <Rizzla420> my root parition is hda2
[09:09] <Rizzla420> but when i did the find /boot/grub/stage1
[09:09] <Rizzla420> it came back with hd0,1
[09:09] <mainer> no
[09:09] <Rizzla420> so thats what i installed it
[09:10] <mainer> do you have a grub prompt?
[09:10] <Rizzla420> via setup (hd0,1)
[09:10] <Rizzla420> not right now, im loading knoppix back up
[09:10] <Rizzla420> i'll have the grub prompt soon
[09:10] <mainer> ok
[09:10] <Rizzla420> damn.. its 3:11
[09:11] <mainer> yuh
[09:11] <Rizzla420> nothing like messing with comp stuff at 3am.
[09:11] <mainer> and you want your ubuntu grub on the hda /mbr,correct?
[09:11] <Rizzla420> i blame this all on the pirated software i downloaded on windows
[09:11] <Rizzla420> yea, i want it back to the way i had it
[09:11] <mainer> ok
[09:11] <Rizzla420> i just want ubuntu back
[09:11] <Rizzla420> i miss it
[09:11] <Rizzla420> :(
[09:12] <mainer> after its fixed make a boot-floppy(grub0
[09:12] <Rizzla420> k, im back at gub
[09:12] <mainer> )
[09:12] <mainer> bad keybd
[09:12] <Rizzla420> i dont have a floppy drive
[09:12] <Rizzla420> have had once since 99
[09:12] <Rizzla420> *havent
[09:12] <mainer> cd then
[09:12] <mainer> ok,grub prompt?
[09:12] <Rizzla420> would you believe me if i told you i didnt have a cdr on my home pc's
[09:13] <Rizzla420> yea, grub prompt
[09:13] <mainer> is the hdd mounted?
[09:13] <Rizzla420> dont think so
[09:13] <Rizzla420> so i should mount
[09:13] <mainer> yuh
[09:14] <Rizzla420> mkdir ~/Desktop/drive  ?? something like that
[09:14] <Rizzla420> mount /dev/hda2 ~/Desktop/drive
[09:14] <KenSentMe> Can someone test if my ftp server works for external connections? I will send a pm with user and pass
[09:15] <Rizzla420> is the the proper way to do it?
[09:15] <mainer> kde
[09:15] <Rizzla420> mainer, huh?
[09:15] <mainer> you're in knoppix kde,it s.b. on the desktop
[09:15] <Rizzla420> yea, knoppix kde
[09:16] <Rizzla420> yes, it is a pain in the @ss
[09:16] <mainer> select the partiton>right-click>mount
[09:16] <Rizzla420> where do i find it?
[09:16] <Rizzla420> i dont use kde
[09:16] <mainer> it shows nothing?
[09:16] <Rizzla420> im more familiar with gnome
[09:16] <Rizzla420> no i dont see any drives on my desktop
[09:17] <mainer> a desktop icon on the left0-side?
[09:17] <mainer> wow
[09:17] <Rizzla420> nope
[09:17] <mainer> type df whats it say
[09:18] <mainer> is the hdd listed?
[09:18] <Rizzla420> hold on let me check, im using a kvm and have to switch back and forth
[09:19] <Rizzla420> its showing me all the knoppix drives
[09:19] <mainer> drives or directorys?
[09:20] <Rizzla420> sorry directories
[09:20] <Rizzla420> here's a listing /dev/root... /ramdisk... /UNIONFS.. /dev/hdc... /dev/cloop..../dev/hda2 (i just mounted this)
[09:20] <thenetduck> does anyone know how to install a theme on Xubuntu?????
[09:21] <mainer> ok go to /mnt  tell me wahts theres so cd /mnt
[09:21] <mainer> ohhh okay hda2 is mounted
[09:21] <mainer> sweet
[09:22] <Rizzla420> you werent explicit with your directions, but i switched to mnt and did a "ls" (which you didnt tell me :) )
[09:22] <Rizzla420> i see hda1 hda2 hda5 hda7 hdc
[09:22] <Rizzla420> sda5
[09:22] <mainer> its 3am lol
[09:22] <thenetduck> does anyone know how to install themes on Xubuntu?
[09:22] <thenetduck> Icon themes?
[09:22] <Rizzla420> so clearly its mounted
[09:22] <Rizzla420> right
[09:22] <fysaen> Any way to get this (msi mega sky 580) digi tv receiver work with dapper....
[09:22] <Rizzla420> ?
[09:23] <thenetduck> anyone know how to install themes on Xubuntu? or Xfce??
[09:24] <mainer> Rizzla420: and you see the grub prompt so   type  root=/dev/hda2
[09:24] <mainer> then type grub-install /dev/hda
[09:24] <Rizzla420> unrecognized device string
[09:25] <Rizzla420> should it be /mnt/hda2?
[09:25] <thenetduck> does anyone here know how to install themes on Xubuntu???
[09:25] <dfgas> hd0?
[09:25] <mainer> ok no  try root=/hda2
[09:25] <Rizzla420> i tried hd0 before
[09:25] <Rizzla420> didnt work
[09:25] <Rizzla420> nope
[09:26] <Marlun> When choosing "Install a LAMP server" at the Ubuntu install, which versions of Apache, MySQL and PHP is installed?
[09:26] <mainer> i'm aiming for ubuntu's grub-menu not just a grub-prompt
[09:26] <yakumo> hello
[09:26] <thenetduck> does anyone know how to install a theme on Xubuntu?
[09:26] <mainer> all try root=(hd0,1)
[09:26] <yakumo> anyone know kow will i network my 2pc running both ubuntu
[09:26] <mainer> then grub-install (hd0)
[09:27] <Rizzla420> that returned something: Filesystem type is ex2fs, partition type 0x83
[09:27] <thenetduck> yakumo you an ssh them both together
[09:27] <yakumo> how to?
[09:27] <boink> Marlun: the versions are installed which are in Ubuntu
[09:27] <mainer> Rizzla420:  ok then type setup (hd0)
[09:28] <Marlun> boink: Ubuntu repositories has multiple version of them all.
[09:28] <boink> check packages.ubuntu.com to see which versions those are
[09:28] <Rizzla420> unrecognized command
[09:28] <thenetduck> yakumo just do this on both machines sudo apt-get install ssh
[09:28] <mainer> ok then its setup /dev/hda
[09:28] <yakumo> ok thnks
[09:28] <Rizzla420> u mean setup /dev/hda2 right
[09:28] <Rizzla420> i know i know its late
[09:28] <thenetduck> does anyone know how to install themes on Xubuntu??????
[09:28] <Marlun> boink: both php 4.* and 5.* and mysql 4.* and 5.* are in the repositories.
[09:28] <Rizzla420> but just checking
[09:28] <boink> true
[09:28] <enat> hi
[09:29] <boink> you want to know which one it installs
[09:29] <enat> my ~/.Xresources file isn't automatically being applied ..
[09:29] <boink> 4 or 5?
[09:29] <enat> any ideas as to why not ?
[09:29] <Marlun> boink: yes which version of Apache, MySQL and PHP, like my beginning question :P
[09:29] <Rizzla420> mainer, it didnt like that, i think it needs to be specified with the (hd0,1)
[09:29] <yakumo> anyone know how to network ubuntu and windows???
[09:29] <boink> yakumo: you mean samba?
[09:30] <yakumo> yes i download samba
[09:30] <mainer> ok,you don't have grub-setup in ubuntu; redo the root (hd0,1)
[09:30] <thenetduck> does anyone know how to install themes on Xubuntu?
[09:30] <Rizzla420> ok, so setup (hd0,1) worked (wich i had done earlier)
[09:30] <yakumo> what do i need to change in the conf.?
[09:30] <enat> anybody at all? hhe :/
[09:30] <boink> depends on what you want to do
[09:30] <yakumo> share file
[09:30] <mainer> then grub-install /dev/hda2
[09:30] <enat> thenetduck: hi, installing themes is usually done by extracting the contents into ~/.themes
[09:31] <boink> from the ubuntu box for the windows boxen?
[09:31] <the1> yakumo:I tend to use scp for file sharing
[09:31] <boink> scp is too complicated for windows users
[09:31] <yakumo> sorry but what is scp?
[09:31] <boink> samba works fine
[09:31] <the1> ubuntu supports ssh/scp/sftp quite well
[09:31] <boink> !scp
[09:31] <ubotu> scp is a secure way of copying files across networks using ssh. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - winscp is a windows scp client
[09:31] <mainer> secure copy
[09:31] <Rizzla420> the grub-install command keeps giving me an unrecognized command
[09:31] <enat> i _think_ xfce reads them from there ..
[09:31] <the1> and winscp works ok for windoze
[09:31] <Rizzla420> im typing this verbatim:  grub-install /dev/hda2
[09:31] <boink> winscp works fine
[09:32] <mainer> all right lemme think a minute,i just did this before
[09:32] <boink> but with samba, the ubuntu box can be like a server
[09:32] <drumline> Do I really need a linux rescue disk on a floppy when Ubuntu comes up as a Live distro?  Can't I just use Ubuntu as a rescue disk?
[09:32] <Rizzla420> when i typed: setup (hd0,1) it seemed like it worked
[09:32] <v4m21> try /sbin/grub-install
[09:32] <Rizzla420> it listed some stuff then said done
[09:32] <v4m21> or /usr/sbin/grub-install
[09:32] <Rizzla420> v4m21, im using knoppix livecd to try to reinstall rub
[09:32] <enat> drumline: that depends, do you enjoy waiting for the livecd to load? :-)
[09:32] <yakumo> what should i do with /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:33] <v4m21> k
[09:33] <boink> edit it for your needs
[09:33] <yakumo> i change my workgroup
[09:33] <Rizzla420> thanks for the help though, i need it right about now
[09:33] <Rizzla420> im functioing on 2 brain cells and trying to fix my mbr...
[09:33] <boink> you'll need to read the docs on the good smb.conf, though
[09:33] <Rizzla420> not ideal to say the least
[09:33] <boink> the smb.conf is set up the way you want to use it
[09:33] <boink> depends on the policies you want to have on the shared drive
[09:34] <mainer> me too,ok,try this   grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[09:34] <mainer> then setup (hd0)
[09:34] <enat> can anybody point me in the right direction when it comes to getting your ~/.Xresources file automatically loaded at startup?
[09:34] <yakumo> ok but what if i want my ubuntu to be a server what should i do?
[09:34] <boink> depends on which policies you want
[09:35] <drumline> enat: heh...  not really, but it's easy.  :)  I suppose there's a howto on making a nice disk in google eh?
[09:35] <boink> very strict or very easy?
[09:35] <enat> yakumo: you uninstall it and install debian. that's what you do./
[09:35] <mainer> i dual-boot and test tooo many distro's,sorry,this time i'm usually sleeping
[09:35] <enat> drumline: without a doubt :P
[09:35] <boink> can the windows users delete stuff? is it totally open?
[09:35] <mainer> Rizzla420: anything?
[09:35] <Rizzla420> will do
[09:35] <Rizzla420> that seems to have taken
[09:35] <thenetduck> what is the command to open a terminal inside of a terminal?????
[09:36] <drumline> enat: was hoping you could recommend a good one..   but hey.. I'll take a look.
[09:36] <boink> thenetduck: xterm &
[09:36] <Rizzla420> let me reboot and see whats up
[09:36] <Rizzla420> keep your fingers crossed
[09:36] <boink> if that's what you mean
[09:36] <yakumo> thnks be back later
[09:36] <Rizzla420> or your eyes
[09:36] <Rob00000> anyone know how to enter diacritics?
[09:36] <enat> drumline: heh, my rescue disc is a slackware installation disc - it comes with everything i've ever needed
[09:36] <boink> slackware rescue is quite good
[09:36] <boink> basic, but it does the job
[09:37] <Rizzla420> *please please please work*
[09:37] <mainer> Rizzla420: if you get no menu or knoppix grub-menu type c at grub> do root=(hd0,1) grub-install /dev/hda
[09:37] <the1> I find the gentoo installer works as a good rescue disk
[09:37] <enat> word to yo mama
[09:37] <enat> :-)
[09:37] <boink> and the ubuntu live cd works well as a rescue too
[09:37] <the1> Its very well ported, and has functionality than the debian disk.
[09:37] <the1> *has more
[09:38] <drumline> enat: nice..  :)  Do you use the latest version?   Does it have multiple disk utils on it?
[09:38] <Rizzla420> SHIT!
[09:38] <Rizzla420> sorry, ops
[09:38] <thenetduck> does anyone know how to install themes on Xubuntu???
[09:38] <Rizzla420> its halting in bios at boot from cd
[09:39] <Rizzla420> but sicne i removed knoppix
[09:39] <Rizzla420> theres nothing for it to go to
[09:39] <thenetduck> I really would like to know how to install themes and Icons on Xubuntu anyone know how????
[09:39] <Rizzla420> so its just sitting there
[09:39] <Rizzla420> grrrr
[09:39] <enat> drumline: well, in the past when it has come down to the crunch and i've been forced to use it - what i did (each time) was use it to boot the system & get a shell, and then i'd mount my normal linux partition and use tools from that
[09:39] <mainer> hit enter
[09:39] <enat> but it comes with a fair few of its own, to be sure
[09:40] <Rizzla420> enter will just cause me to go back into knoppix
[09:40] <mainer> Rizzla420: set bios to boot hdd
[09:40] <thenetduck_> anyone know how to install themes on Xubuntu?
[09:40] <Rizzla420> i have it setup to go cd rom first than hd
[09:40] <v4m21> Rizzla what happened ?
[09:40] <Rizzla420> but i'll disable cdrom on boot
[09:40] <sess> what you need to do is install glx and compiz
[09:41] <sess> thats the real deal baby
[09:41] <drumline> enat: cool... so you're a hardcore slack guy?
[09:41] <mainer> ok,then remove cd,close tray hit enter or try ctrl+alt+del
[09:41] <drumline> enat: use Ubuntu also?
[09:41] <enat> drumline: lol, i use whatever does the job. :-)
[09:41] <enat> apt has definitely made me a lazy man though ..
[09:41] <enat> :/
[09:41] <Rizzla420> alright changed my boot sequence
[09:42] <Rizzla420> hd first, then cd
[09:42] <Rizzla420> there's no bootloader, it seems to jsut be hanging
[09:42] <sess> enat: yea, apt and emerge have both been tools that made my slackware roots shrivel and my manual dependency building skills atrophy
[09:43] <sess> BADLY
[09:43] <sess> :)
[09:43] <mainer> Rizzla420: doesn't make sense,you could use xp's /fixmbr then add your ubuntu  partiton there and chainload i guess
[09:43] <enat> haha, i totally understand mate
[09:43] <enat> ;p
[09:43] <Rizzla420> im going back into knppix
[09:43] <Rizzla420> man this sux
[09:44] <Rizzla420> STUPID WINDOZ!!!!
[09:44] <botxj> Rizzla420 dont feel blue, ubuntu is good for j00 :)
[09:44] <Rizzla420> i know it is, but i need windows for just one program
[09:44] <Rizzla420> everything else i do i use ubuntu
[09:44] <enat> Rizzla420: what's that one program?
[09:44] <botxj> if you dont need widnows that much ya could run an emulator
[09:44] <Rizzla420> fruity loops.  i like messing around and making loops/etc
[09:45] <mainer> Rizzla420:  ok, do chroot /mnt/hda2
[09:45] <botxj> a pc emulator on ubuntu and put windows on the emulator and you'd be all right
[09:45] <Rizzla420> purely for fun
[09:45] <enat> Rizzla420: have you tried lmms?
[09:45] <Rizzla420> no i havent
[09:45] <mainer> then just type grub
[09:45] <botxj> Rizzla420 yeah try LMMS it's a fruity loops copier
[09:45] <enat> it's decent enough for messing around having fun
[09:45] <botxj> does the exact same thing as fruity loops
[09:45] <Rizzla420> mainer, i'll try that once i get into knoppix
[09:45] <Rizzla420> but frutiy is pretty developed now
[09:45] <Rizzla420> i just bout a novation midi controller this weekend and it works great
[09:45] <botxj> then Rizzla420 also try running a pc emulator for linux
[09:46] <thenetduck_> can somone help me?
[09:46] <Rizzla420> anyhow thats offtopic for the time being since i cant even get back into ubuntu
[09:46] <orinoco> does anyone have his own compiled kernel, is it worth compiling?
[09:46] <boink> orinno: depends on your needs
[09:46] <botxj> you can have all your windows and linux apps on one nice desktop
[09:46] <Rizzla420> botxj, i dont think that be very good for a cpu intensive program like fruity
[09:46] <botxj> oh
[09:46] <botxj> right i forgot that synthesizers use up alot of cpu
[09:46] <Rizzla420> mainer, this is VERY weird
[09:46] <boink> I needed to do my own kernel when using some vortex raid controllers since neither the debian kernel nor the latest linux kernel had the latest drivers
[09:47] <Rizzla420> i jsut reloaded knoppix and now i have all my hd's showing up on my desktop
[09:47] <Rizzla420> something that didnt happen before
[09:47] <mainer> Rizzla420: agreed!
[09:47] <boink> there is a nice debian way of making the kernel, which puts the kernel into a .deb
[09:47] <mainer> make sure its mounted
[09:48] <Rizzla420> its says mount point: /media/hda2
[09:48] <Rizzla420> when i hover my mouse over
[09:48] <botxj> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mej7sf4uonI <--- i want a Sony Vaio UX90 micro pc!!!! /me druels :D
[09:49] <orinoco> boink, i mean that it is worth taking out all the rubish that loads the precompiled kernel?
[09:49] <Rizzla420> so what now oh wise one
[09:49] <enat> alright, im gone
[09:49] <mainer> ok,right-click>it'll show either mount or unmount
[09:49] <Rizzla420> lets try and wrap this up before we both fall asleep at the comp
[09:50] <mainer> indeed
[09:50] <Rizzla420> unmount is the option
[09:50] <Rizzla420> therefore its mounted
[09:50] <Rizzla420> it even said so when i hovered
[09:50] <Rizzla420> mounted at /media/hda2
[09:50] <mainer> then its mounted sweet
[09:50] <kendals> How do I install the gaim guification plugin using source?
[09:50] <kendals> I tried the ./configure, and at the end, it says this:
[09:50] <kendals> No package 'gaim' found
[09:50] <kendals> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
[09:50] <kendals> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
[09:50] <mainer> ok get a root-term
[09:51] <Rizzla420> root shell up and running
[09:51] <mainer> ok chroot /media/hda2
[09:51] <sess> meh, those umpc aren't very impressive atm
[09:51] <sess> battery life is terrible considering its form factor
[09:52] <Rizzla420> done.  now my prompt is "root@Knoppix:/#"
[09:52] <sess> huge portion of current laptop battery useage is the lcd backlight
[09:52] <mainer> cd /sbin/
[09:52] <Rizzla420> done.
[09:52] <Rizzla420> next
[09:52] <mainer> grub-install /dev/hda
[09:52] <sess> umpc's use super low power oled displays and low speed cpu's but can't muster more that 4.5 hours battery life?
[09:52] <BTJustice> Can you mount hard drives when running off the Live CD?
[09:53] <Rizzla420> just /dev/hda not /dev/hda2?
[09:53] <mainer> yes for the /mbr
[09:53] <sess> its not a pocket pc, put a 4amp hour battery in that bitch, and gimme a umpc that will run for 10 hours
[09:53] <mainer> you are in your hdd-ubuntu-partiton??
[09:53] <Rizzla420> took me to the grub prompt
[09:53] <BTJustice> mainer: Me?
[09:53] <Rizzla420> but i typed "grub install /dev/hda"  i didnt put the hyphen
[09:54] <visik7> anyone got problems with flashplugin from backports ?
[09:54] <mainer> it should have worked if no errorsno,use grub-install sorry
[09:55] <botxj> well sess, that's the best of the umpc's as it gets right now, that thing is like god!
[09:55] <botxj> i'd get one just for the heck of it, much better than a hacked PSP.. lol
[09:55] <sess> lol
[09:55] <sess> but umpc is like 2grand
[09:55] <mainer> BTJustice: no sorry
[09:55] <sess> psp is like 250$
[09:55] <botxj> that UX90 model is 3000 bucks actually
[09:56] <sess> jeez
[09:56] <botxj> 16GB FLASH HDD!
[09:56] <v4m21> rizzala try to chroot into /mnt/hda2
[09:56] <mainer> yes,thats what is normal
[09:56] <v4m21> then try to run grub-install /dev/hda
[09:56] <Rizzla420> mairiner, "grub-install /dev/hda" gave me the following error: cannont remove /boot/grub/stage1: read only file system
[09:57] <mainer> you're in knoppix,not hdd, chroot /mnt/hda2
[09:57] <Rizzla420> ok i chroot /mnt/hda2
[09:57] <Rizzla420> next
[09:57] <mainer> yyes!!
[09:57] <sess> damn, 3Gs
[09:58] <mainer> grub-install /dev/hda
[09:58] <sess> thats a thousand dollars per operating hour
[09:58] <sess> :)
[09:58] <mainer> should show msg
[09:58] <botxj> what's a G?
[09:58] <Rizzla420> same freakin error
[09:58] <sess> Grand
[09:58] <Rizzla420> cannont remove /boot/grub/stage1: read only file system
[09:58] <botxj> ah
[09:59] <Rizzla420> i chrooted /mnt/hda2
[09:59] <sess> botxj: have you seen the MAGIC?
[09:59] <sess> now thats a device
[09:59] <sess> I wouldn't mind paying the 1800 asking price for it
[09:59] <botxj> well, the extra thousand is for the 16GB flash hard drive compared to the UX180P's 30GB regular hard drive
[09:59] <botxj> let me google this "magic"
[09:59] <justin4thirty> maybe you should kill compiz and restart it
[09:59] <mainer> doesn't make sense,if its mounted
[09:59] <eexpress> Shadymam
[09:59] <justin4thirty> oops, wrong window
[10:00] <eexpress> MatthewLange
[10:00] <sess> botxj: its not quite as powerful as the umpc, but its more useful IMO
[10:00] <mainer> Rizzla420: sorry,dude,i gotta crash i'm up wayy later than i should be
[10:00] <sess> basically its the ultimate convergence devic,e
[10:00] <Rizzla420> mainer, no problem, thanks ALOT for your help
[10:00] <Rizzla420> much appreciated
[10:00] <botxj> sess, can you give me a specific link, the word "magic" is a broad term to search for, lol
[10:00] <Rizzla420> i should get to bed too but i dont think i could sleep knowing that my shit is still messed up
[10:00] <TimothyP> Hello, I want to create a deb file for ubuntu (for a small application I wrote as a test) , is there a guide somewhere, I found something but it uses deb-make which seems to be depricated
[10:00] <Rizzla420> take it easy
[10:00] <sess> botxj: I have the HTC Universal right now, the magic puts it to shame
[10:01] <Rizzla420> anyone else willing to lend me a hand trying to reinstall grub?
[10:01] <botxj> that htc universal looks like a PDA
[10:01] <TimothyP> Rizzla420, what is the problem?
[10:02] <botxj> is it a pda....?
[10:02] <v4m21> rizzla try to boot using livecd without mounting swap partation, I guess there is an option to do this in the boot menu.
[10:02] <botxj> heh, it IS a pda...
[10:02] <sess> botxj: http://www.advancetc.com/
[10:02] <yacc> Just wondering, how can I setup iptables that it forwards packages that it receives from IP 192.168.1.x masqed to <IP_ADDRESS> (the default gw), both IPs are on eth2 192.168.1/24 ?
[10:03] <Rizzla420> i have no idea how to do that
[10:03] <Rizzla420> when i get into the knoppix splash screen it just says boot: then hit enter
[10:03] <Rizzla420> to start it
[10:03] <sess> botxj: would you CALL it a pda since it can run full blown linux, and there is a version thatis planned to run windows xp tablet edition?
[10:03] <Rizzla420> i dont know what parameters to set
[10:03] <yacc> Somehow it feels that the packets don't reach the nat tables :(
[10:03] <v4m21> k
[10:03] <drumline> anything special about sfdisk in how it relates to fdisk?
[10:04] <botxj> dunno sess, what are it's specs? screen size, ram size, etc
[10:04] <sess> universal has vga display, and i have familiar linux distro running on it.  Magic doesn't have vga, but two qvga screens
[10:04] <sess> :(
[10:04] <sess> still hot that site I gave you should give you all the info about it
[10:04] <botxj> aight
[10:04] <v4m21> rizzla do u know how to boot into single user mode ?
[10:04] <sess> 8 gig microhd, cf, sd, 512megs ram, 512 mg flash rom, full querty keyboard, 2 qvga sctouch screens
[10:05] <Marlun> What do I need to be able to unpack .deb files? I used ar before but now when I've reinstalled my server the "ar" command doesn't seem to be available.
[10:05] <sess> wifi, bluetooth, gsm, gps
[10:05] <sess> and CDMA via UMTS
[10:05] <sess> pretty much the ultimate convergence devic,e
[10:05] <JoseStefan> Marlun, dpkg
[10:06] <botxj> the sony has 16GB hdd, cf, sd, 512mbddr2ram, qwerty, and one nice 1024x600 brite screen
[10:06] <yacc> sess: basically something slighty more powerfull than a Nokia9500 ;)
[10:06] <Marlun> JoseStefan: I can use dpkg to unpack a .deb file?   GPRS and UMTS as well as 3G support
[10:08] <sess> I almost bought a 9300, but its limitations werejust too much
[10:09] <yacc> botxj: Well, everyone has his one requirements, I've got a 12" widescreen subnotebook with an UMTS card, but for the reachibility I want somehting that is online all the time.
[10:09] <Squatch> Quick question, I'm installing Ubuntu for the first time and have an extremely limited knowledge of Linux...  So, sorry if this question doesn't make any sense.  I'm trying to set up how things will be mounted, have a 5GB partition for Root, 2GB partition for Swap, and the rest of a 40GB HDD for whatever else...  Should I mount /var, /usr, /home, and /boot on the 33GB partition or in some other configuration?
[10:09] <sess> cpu speed is also a big deal, some of the symbian apps I want to run really need 300+mhz if you use the multitasking
[10:09] <yacc> sess: 9300i seems the nicest one in the collection.
[10:09] <JoseStefan> i have a cell phone
[10:09] <sess> yacc: I completely agree
[10:09] <yacc> sess: universal?
[10:09] <sess> htc universal
[10:09] <TimothyP> Squatch, work the other way around :)
[10:10] <botxj> the sony has a bluetooth, gprs, ethernet, wifi, and EDGE
[10:10] <TimothyP> you can't say how big you're / will be, but you can say how b ig  /home /usr etc... will be
[10:10] <sess> mine's branded O2 XDA exec, maybe you've heard of teh Jasjar, same exact devie
[10:10] <botxj> if that wont let you stay online all the time, then i dunno what will
[10:10] <sess> device
[10:10] <cerberus> Is there an easy way to upgrade from breezy to dapper without using any x based tools? I've added the dapper cd to my sources list and run apt-get update, but apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing
[10:10] <yacc> sess: Oh, well, before I go the Windows route, I'll prefer a Psion every time ;)
[10:10] <sess> botxj: the sony umpc?
[10:10] <TimothyP> for example 20GB for /home ,   2GB for swap , 128MB for /boot would leave you about 17GB for /
[10:10] <botxj> yes
[10:10] <botxj> the sony umpc
[10:10] <yacc> sess: it's not epoc3 but still ;)
[10:10] <Awesome-o2000> i gotta go take a psion! i had a large soda w dinner
[10:11] <botxj> the sony umpc has EVERYTHING!
[10:11] <Rizzla420> PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:11] <Rizzla420> i am finally back in ubuntu
[10:11] <Rizzla420> 3hours later
[10:11] <botxj> oh lordeh
[10:11] <Squatch> So I have to have dedicated partitions for /usr, /var, /home, and /boot as well as root and swap?
[10:11] <sess> yacc: I love the symbian os, I used to own the psion mx, I think was running epoch3.  Symbian is the only truely multitasking mobile OS
[10:11] <botxj> isnt there a christian ubuntu distro?
[10:11] <yacc> Squatch: nope.
[10:11] <Rizzla420> i can finally get to bed
[10:11] <Awesome-o2000> lol christian ubuntu
[10:11] <TimothyP> no :)
[10:12] <botxj> i heard of one
[10:12] <TimothyP> you can but you don't have to
[10:12] <sess> wm5 is really getting close, with palmos trailing miles behind
[10:12] <Awesome-o2000> "Jesus blessed this OS"
[10:12] <yacc> Squatch: on desktops one usually sticks with 1-2 filesystems nowadays.
[10:12] <TimothyP> but since you want to limit the ammount in / .....
[10:12] <JoseStefan> Squatch, typical install is 2 partitions, one for swap, and the other for everything else
[10:12] <yacc> sess: Just got my 9500 yesterday in the mail :)
[10:12] <vish> can anyone help me out with linux basic setup (i am a windows user >.<)
[10:12] <sess> christian ubuntu?
[10:12] <botxj> http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/about-ubuntu-christian-edition.html
[10:12] <Awesome-o2000> sess, i want the satanic version'
[10:12] <botxj> check it out, christian edition
[10:12] <cerberus> vish, we'll try
[10:12] <jaxx> Where is the pagan version?
[10:12] <Squatch> Alright, I was working off some Slackware setup I tried a couple years ago that recommended about 5 different partitions...
[10:12] <JoseStefan> Awesome-o2000, it's called windows
[10:12] <sess> yacc: well, its still a nice device, I would take that over startac anyday ;)
[10:12] <botxj> i want the satanic version
[10:12] <Rizzla420> alright all, if anyone of you who helped me out are still on.  THank you so much
[10:12] <yacc> And the stupid WLAN on it sees only my laptop, OTOH, I do have an atypical WLAN setup (adhoc mode).
[10:13] <sess> he he he
[10:13] <Rizzla420> if anyone is having problems after reinstalling windows and killing their grub
[10:13] <TimothyP> Squatch, unless your system has a very specific purpose , stick to / and your swap, and maybe a /home if you want that to be on a seperate drive
[10:13] <Rizzla420> i followed this posthttp://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedora-linux-help/66122-install-mbr-grub-knoppix.html
[10:13] <Squatch> So, re-partition it to a 2GB swap partition (for 2GB Ram, that excessive?) and all the rest for root and everything?
[10:13] <botxj> http://www.ichthux.com/ <---linux distro for christians
[10:13] <Awesome-o2000> I wonder which distro is jebus approved
[10:13] <sess> Rizzla420: I hate knoppix, love grub, but use lilo when dualbooting
[10:13] <TimothyP> if you have an older mainboard with a raid controller, where windows is on your IDE hard drive and ubuntu on your sata/scsci drive, I suggest creating a 128MB /boot on your IDE
[10:13] <JoseStefan> Squatch, sounds good
[10:14] <TimothyP> Squatch,  yes that would be good :)
[10:14] <cerberus> Squatch, that would work though you may want a /home partition as well, that way if you need to reinstall ubuntu or any other distro you son't lose all your personal data
[10:14] <Squatch> Nope, it's fairly new, putting Ubuntu on an old 40GB IDE, have Windows on a SATA and a 120GB IDE for data shared between the two.
[10:14] <yacc> sess: that's not funny, that means, I need to make my laptop a router for an IP that is in the same range as the WLAN net :(
[10:14] <TeePOG> morning all
[10:14] <TimothyP> :)
[10:14] <botxj> and can you believe it, every copy of itchtuch linux comes with a bible program in every copy!
[10:14] <Squatch> Cerberus:  Thank you, I'll keep that in mind =).
[10:14] <botxj> http://www.ichthux.com/files/screenshots/09_bibletime_study_ot.png
[10:15] <JoseStefan> botxj, sudo apt-get remove bible
[10:15] <botxj> lol
[10:15] <Squatch> Thanks for the input guys!  :)
[10:15] <sess> yacc: why? laptop is running windows?  internet connection sharing, adhoc address can be anything, as long as its set as the gateway on your nokia
[10:15] <Shadowpillar_> is the bible in the fiction repository?
[10:16] <botxj> yes it is
[10:16] <JoseStefan> Shadowpillar_, lol
[10:16] <sess> linux, I've never set up or used adhoc in linux, but it can't be much different than setting up the forwarding rules with ipchains
[10:16] <Squatch> So, this is the configuration I've come up with.  5GB for root, usr, var, and boot (BTW, do I even need to specify these or will they just default to the same partition as root?), 2GB swap, and the rest I'm putting home on.
[10:16] <sess> much more difficult
[10:16] <yacc> sess: nope the laptop has only Linux on it, but still, "routing" packages that come in on eth2, back out on eth2, while it still the same IP network, ...
[10:16] <Shadowpillar_> actually I am a christian, I'm just not that fanatical :P
[10:16] <Shadowpillar_> people who take the bible so seriously = lol
[10:17] <whadar> im running dapper, when GNOME starts up it just hangs (showing the splash screen)... checking the logs showed "Couldn't authenticate user". Now im running from GNOME safe-mode session and no problems occured...
[10:17] <Shadowpillar_> hrmm on a more on topic subject
[10:17] <Shadowpillar_> think we'll ever see a bsd kernel added to ubuntu?
[10:17] <visik7> youtube doesn't work anymore with flash7
[10:17] <visik7> WTF!?
[10:17] <Shadowpillar_> like gnu/kbsd debian?
[10:17] <visik7> no no sorry
[10:17] <visik7> my problem
[10:17] <botxj> i used to be a christian, but now i'm a mystic spiritualist
[10:17] <Squatch> TimothyP, JoseStefan, Cerberus, Yacc, thanks for the help guys =).
[10:18] <JoseStefan> i think we need to send a lot of candy on halloween to Adobe!
[10:18] <Rob00000> anyone ever used greek keyboard layout?
[10:18] <JoseStefan> i want to convert to Ubuntuism
[10:22] <Shadowpillar_> btw
[10:22] <shinobi2> is there a rdp server for ubuntu? vino is vnc, but i am looking for a way to rdp into ubuntu from win xp
[10:22] <Shadowpillar_> is the AHCI driver for the jmicron ASIC now supported?
[10:22] <botxj> and who will the name of the god of ubuntuism be? will it be SUDO?!
[10:22] <Shadowpillar_> I wanna double check because I switch to my SATA2 port
[10:22] <JoseStefan> Shadowpillar_, i think they are still working on that
[10:22] <visik7> flashplugin isn't installalbe
[10:22] <JoseStefan> botxj, root
[10:22] <botxj> lol
[10:22] <JoseStefan> botxj, sudo is a saint
[10:22] <botxj> lol
[10:22] <visik7> guys
[10:22] <visik7> flash isn't installable anymore
[10:22] <JoseStefan> visik7, are you using backports?
[10:22] <visik7> no no
[10:22] <visik7> the old
[10:22] <visik7> without backports
[10:22] <JoseStefan> what does it say?
[10:22] <botxj> when will they ever make 64bit flash?
[10:22] <JoseStefan> i just installed flash today
[10:22] <Shadowpillar_> visik7: all else fails, you can get wine (get the latest from winehq.org's repository for dapper) and install firefox for windows and use that to view certain sites until they release the flash port for linux
 when will they ever make 64bit flash? <-- in january or february
[10:22] <Shadowpillar_> or maybe even before that
[10:22] <visik7> update-flashplugin
[10:22] <visik7> automatic installation failed due to network problems or upstream changes
[10:22] <botxj> cool
[10:22] <Shadowpillar_> botxj: I use the nspluginwrapper atm
[10:22] <krups> or use automatix to install the 32 bit version.
[10:22] <jouster> Squatch: any partitions you don't specify will be part of the '/' (root) partition. You will want a much larger root and personally I'd not bother with the separate /home partition
[10:22] <JoseStefan> Shadowpillar_, august
[10:22] <Shadowpillar_> use alien to convert the rpm's
[10:22] <botxj> cause i use amd64 and i dont know how to get flash to work
[10:22] <Marlun> When installing PHP5, do I have to install all the extensions I want at the same time or can I install them at a later time and it will just work? For example if I later decide I want php5-curl.
[10:22] <Shadowpillar_> JoseStefan: august came and passed
[10:22] <JoseStefan> Marlun, you can install them later
[10:22] <jouster> Just archive it to the shared 120GB drive (make some FAT32 so both Windows + Ubuntu can r/w) when/if you need to
[10:22] <JoseStefan> Shadowpillar_, there is an august every year
[10:22] <Squatch> jouster: Hmmm, maybe I'll do that, just to adhere to the KISS principle for a noob... >_<
[10:23] <visik7> on a fresh install flashplugin-nonfree isn't installable (not the one in backports the other)
[10:23] <jouster> 5GB won't be enough
[10:23] <Shadowpillar_> JoseStefan: nah, they're aiming at the latest, february
[10:23] <Marlun> What about libapache2-mod-php5, on the Ubuntu docs it says I only have to install it if php4 is already on the system, I thought it was always needed to connect apache and php?
[10:23] <jouster> unless its a server
[10:23] <JoseStefan> visik7, maybe it's a NOW issue, i installed that package like 3 hours ago
[10:23] <jouster> *minimum* of 12, I'd recommend, with your drive
[10:23] <Shadowpillar_> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
[10:24] <JoseStefan> Marlun, you will need it
[10:24] <visik7> JoseStefan: 'couse adobe has removed the page where the update-flashplugin go to get the .so
[10:24] <Squatch> I like your idea of changing the 120GB to FAT32...  Should make things much easier.  So, I'll do a 2GB swap, and the rest of the 40GB for root, etc.
[10:24] <jouster> yep sounds good
[10:24] <visik7> JoseStefan: try to run sudo update-flashplugin
[10:24] <JoseStefan> visik7, try "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper"
[10:25] <jouster> That's what I have found easiest anyway
[10:25] <visik7> JoseStefan: I've the dapper one not the backport one
[10:25] <jouster> You are really fairly well off with a separate 40GB drive; the 120GB is juice!
[10:25] <Squatch> I'm all about easy while I get comfortable with this software ;).
[10:25] <JoseStefan> visik7, i ran that like 3 hours ago, without problems
[10:25] <zwnj> where i can find more info about LTS?  would 6.10 be LTS?  if not, which next version would be?
[10:25] <shinobi2> how do i start vino service>
[10:25] <shinobi2> ?
[10:26] <JoseStefan> !lts
[10:26] <ubotu> lts is Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[10:26] <visik7> JoseStefan: adobe have removed the page of the old version
[10:26] <jouster> For sure
[10:26] <Ace_NoOne> hello - I am a newbie trying to install Ubuntu on my old PC (600 Mhz CPU, 128 MB RAM). However, when booting from the live CD, it takes ages for Ubuntu to load; it's been running for almost an hour now, and all I can see right now is the black background color (no desktop elements whatsoever)
[10:26] <jouster> t:)
[10:26] <KenSentMe> I've addad a ftp-server to my locations, how can i delete it?
[10:26] <Ace_NoOne> why might that be - the live CD used to boot up just fine
[10:27] <zwnj> ubotu: i know, but i want to find the answer of other questions.  would 6.10 be LTS?  if not, which next version would be?
[10:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i know, but i want to find the answer of other questions.  would 6.10 be LTS?  if not, which next version would be? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:27] <Madpilot> zwnj, ubotu is a bot ;)
[10:27] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell zwnj about yourself
[10:27] <zwnj> Madpilot: yes, just found it :D
[10:28] <MikaT> !ubotu
[10:28] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:28] <Madpilot> zwnj, I think the plan is for every 3rd release to be an LTS release. I'm not certain, though.
[10:28] <Madpilot> zwnj, regardless, 6.06 has 3yrs of desktop support and 5yrs of server
[10:28] <Zvjer> hi to all
[10:28] <JoseStefan> zwnj, i think edgy will be supported for 18 months as usual
[10:29] <Zvjer> I have a tiny flashplugin problem, do you know something about it?
[10:29] <zwnj> Madpilot, JoseStefan: got it, thanks :)
[10:29] <visik7> Zvjer: are you tring to install the backport version ?
[10:30] <Zvjer> today's flash-plugin upgrade doesn't want to upgrade itself it drops errors :)
[10:30] <Zvjer> how do I know if it's a backport?
[10:30] <Zvjer> I have all the repos enabled :)
[10:30] <visik7> tell me the version
[10:30] <visik7> Zvjer: yes it's due to the fact that you have backports repo in your sources list (that is not supported)
[10:30] <JoseStefan> Zvjer: find the forum link here: https://launchpad.net/bugs/61349
[10:30] <visik7> btw the problem is that you cannot downgrade
[10:31] <JoseStefan> Zvjer, there are a couple of solutions there
[10:31] <visik7> 'couse the old version is not on the adobe site anymore
[10:31] <Zvjer> yes it's backports ... 7.0.68
[10:31] <TeePOG> is there a way to make the flash-plugin report itself as Flash 8? Too many sites don't support Flash 7 anymore
[10:31] <JoseStefan> visik7, i just purged my flash and reinstalled the dapper one, no problems
[10:31] <JoseStefan> visik7, update-flashplugin, on the other hand, fails
[10:32] <Zvjer> which solution do you all sugest here?
[10:32] <Zvjer> currently I have no flash insatlled
[10:32] <JoseStefan> Zvjer, downgrading, and not installing the backport
[10:32] <Ace_NoOne> as a newbie, which filesystem should I use for my Ubuntu partition?
[10:32] <JoseStefan> Zvjer: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper
[10:33] <arcad3_> sherch boot
[10:33] <Zvjer> thanks
[10:33] <Zvjer> I did it
[10:34] <Zvjer> update notification will now hunt me for days :D
[10:34] <JoseStefan> Zvjer, you could disable backports from your repos, or ignore the update
[10:38] <Zvjer> but backport should be a nice think, not a bad thing
[10:38] <visik7> btw
[10:38] <Zvjer> thinG
[10:38] <visik7> I'm unable to recover the old flashplugin
[10:38] <Shadowpillar_>   * ahci: Add support for JMicron ahci controller.
[10:38] <JoseStefan> Zvjer, it was a minor fluke, we are human after all
[10:38] <Shadowpillar_>     - Malone #45839
[10:38] <Shadowpillar_> 2.6.15-24.40
[10:38] <Z310N> hallo everyone
[10:38] <JoseStefan> visik7, both me and Zvjer, have installed it in no more than 5 mins ago
[10:38] <Zvjer> I suppose they will fix the new version to be installable?
[10:38] <Z310N> where do I get a Grapical Wine Application for linux?
[10:38] <JoseStefan> Zvjer, there is a way to install the backport, but i dont suggest it at the time
[10:38] <JoseStefan> visik7, try this: sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree
[10:38] <visik7> yes I've purged the old one
[10:38] <Zvjer> I'll wait .. I had enough problems with dealing with aiglx which dies on every upgrade hihi
[10:38] <visik7> JoseStefan: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper <- works
[10:38] <JoseStefan> visik7, then: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper
[10:38] <visik7> but
[10:38] <visik7> ok
[10:38] <visik7> it install correctly
[10:38] <visik7> but flash don't work
[10:38] <Zvjer> how can I disable the join/quit notification in x-chat?
[10:38] <JoseStefan> visik7, i never really got to that part, let me see...
[10:38] <visik7> :)
 where do I get a Grapical Wine Application for linux? what do you mean?
[10:38] <Madpilot> Zvjer, there's an option somewhere in Settings->Preferences in XChat to turn off display of the join/quit messages
[10:38] <Shadowpillar_> visik7: are you sure the gnash plugin isnt installed?
[10:38] <Z310N> i mean i want a GUI application so i can handle WINE windows emulation more easy
[10:38] <visik7> Shadowpillar_: yes never installed
[10:38] <visik7> Wine is not an emulator
[10:38] <Shadowpillar_> Z310N: run winecfg
[10:39] <Shadowpillar_> visik7: make sure you get the latest from winehq.org's dapper rep
[10:39] <Shadowpillar_> repo*
[10:39] <Shadowpillar_> er
[10:39] <Shadowpillar_> oops
[10:39] <Shadowpillar_> Z310N: make sure you get the latest from winehq.org's dapper rep
[10:39] <Z310N> ive tryied Xwine and some other app. i dont want to use the command line..
[10:39] <visik7> JoseStefan: are you able to see flash sites ?
[10:40] <Shadowpillar_> Z310N: well, most exe's will run when you click them, wine will run them, but it's a good idea to run them in a shell so if they crash, you'll know why
[10:40] <JoseStefan> visik7, guess not, but i lest i dont get the ugly update-rc.d error
[10:40] <Z310N> winexs is it called, but it wont work, it complains that DLL files are missing even though its located in the dir. from where i run my win app.
[10:40] <JoseStefan> at leat i
[10:40] <JoseStefan> at least i (i need a new keyboard)
[10:41] <visik7> ok
[10:41] <Zvjer> thanks guys
[10:41] <JoseStefan> visik7, i believe there is another package that relates flash and firefox
[10:41] <visik7> uh ?
[10:42] <Zvjer> chaky: pozdrav
[10:42] <JoseStefan> visik7, not sure. but is there another package other than flashplugin-nonfree ?
[10:42] <ChaKy> Zvjer: e bok, but this is a english speaking channel. Come to #ubuntu-hr
[10:43] <Zvjer> not a problem, just identifying myself
[10:43] <visik7> JoseStefan: flashplugin-nonfree take care of downloading the plugin from adobe site
[10:43] <Zvjer> anyone heard any rumors of the flash 8/9 for linux release date?
[10:44] <visik7> JoseStefan: but since the 7.0.63 is removed and the package from backports of 7.0.68 is broken is impossible to have flash right now (at least without downloading it by hand and mess up your system spreading .so in the system :) )
[10:44] <visik7> Zvjer: probably for the end of the year
[10:44] <JoseStefan> visik7, how are you sure 7.0.63 is removed?
[10:44] <KenSentMe> I've addad a ftp-server to my locations, how can i delete it?
[10:45] <Z310N> if i try running my app. it says its missing a lot of DLL but they are located it the base directory where my exe is located
[10:45] <visik7> 'couse update-flashplugin contain the url to the place where it get the plugin
[10:45] <visik7> I've checked it and I got a 404
[10:45] <JoseStefan> but update-flashplugin might be different
[10:45] <KenSentMe> How can you delete the entry you created with 'Connect to server'?
[10:46] <Z310N> why does it do that shadow?
[10:46] <thomas{}bigTOM> what is the command to make gcc work sudo makeessials or something?
[10:46] <Zvjer> to everyone: like someone said earlyer .. uninstall flashplugin and type: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper
[10:47] <Zvjer> it will revert to working version
[10:47] <visik7> JoseStefan: update-flashplugin is executed after the flashplugin-nonfree is installed
[10:47] <Zvjer> nothing is removed from anywhere since it's working for me
[10:47] <JoseStefan> Zvjer, not EVERYONE had backports enabled
[10:47] <visik7> Zvjer:  but don't fix the problem
[10:47] <Zvjer> what problem? security?
[10:47] <visik7> no
[10:47] <visik7> is broken you will not get back flash working after that command
[10:48] <Zvjer> flash 7 on linux sucks in all possible ways, who cares about small security since it doesn't even play half sites in the world :)
[10:48] <kedde> does anyone know an API for WI-FI under Linux?
[10:48] <Zvjer> no? let me try if it's working BRB
[10:48] <JoseStefan> visik7, i think he's in for a surprise
[10:48] <visik7> close and reopen firefox
[10:48] <visik7> :)
[10:49] <devilx> hi, I've got a question about Kubuntu in use with kickstart. I have the problem, that Kubuntu (everytime I kickstart it) wants to use security.ubuntu.com as security-updates mirror. In fact, this won't work on the network I'm on, since there is no direct connection to outside hosts, only via squid. Is there a possibillity to change kubuntu's security updates source?
[10:49] <Zvjer> seems you're right haha
[10:49] <Z310N> shadowpillar do you know why wine behave like that?
[10:49] <Zvjer> it's installed but not working haah
[10:49] <Guardian> hello
[10:49] <thomas{}bigTOM> anyone know how to get gcc to start working you download it using synaptic Package manager
[10:49] <visik7> flash is broken
[10:49] <visik7> long live to flash
[10:49] <Zvjer> I'll kill myself now :D
[10:50] <Guardian> does anyone know if there's a way to have usb support in ubuntu while being under virtual pc 2004 ?
[10:50] <Z310N> usb is automaticly detected in ubuntu mostly. go install it on a seperate harddrive rather than emulate it Guardian.
[10:50] <Lemino> need som assistance in upgrading to edgy...
[10:50] <Lemino> someone please.
[10:51] <JoseStefan> i think i have a fix
[10:51] <JoseStefan> but it's ugly
[10:51] <Lemino> what?
[10:51] <JoseStefan> meant for visik7 and Zvjer
[10:51] <visik7> tell us
[10:51] <JoseStefan> visik7, Zvjer: installing the backport
[10:51] <Guardian> Z310N: well i have loads of physical linux at my disposal, but for a particular guy here, we need virtualization
[10:52] <Zvjer> why are you installing?
[10:52] <Guardian> Z310N: but i guess we'll switch to virtual pc / vmware player
[10:52] <Zvjer> does it work?
[10:52] <JoseStefan> visik7, Zvjer: the error can be fixed
[10:52] <Z310N> okay
[10:52] <JoseStefan> !edgy > Lemino
[10:53] <Marlun> Is there a webpage somewhere where I can read about Debian/Ubuntu way of working with Apache?
[10:55] <visik7> ok maybe it's easy
[10:55] <JoseStefan> visik7, you think we can find the .so elsewhere?
[10:55] <vds> hi all, I've just installed dapper on a dell inspiron 8600, I'm using nvidia proprietary driver, everything seems to work fine except that I cannot see the textual shell looks, any suggestion ? tnx!
[10:55] <visik7> let me see if I can fix the backport pack
[10:55] <JoseStefan> visik7, i really dont want the backport right now
[10:55] <visik7> yes seems to be ok
[10:55] <visik7> ok
[10:55] <visik7> solved
 does anyone know an API for WI-FI under Linux?
[10:56] <visik7> so
[10:56] <Shadowpillar_> what do you mean?
[10:56] <visik7> using the backport version
[10:56] <visik7> install it
[10:56] <visik7> then after the error
[10:56] <visik7> sudoedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-nonfree.postinst
[10:57] <JoseStefan> visik7, there is an easier way
[10:57] <visik7> and remove all the crap after
[10:57] <visik7> # Automatically added by dh_installinit
[10:57] <visik7> then
[10:57] <visik7> dpkg --configure --pending
[10:57] <visik7> then works
[10:57] <zorglu_>  q. i have 2 package .deb on my local disk, but they have dependency on the usual ubuntu repository, i tried apt-get install mypackage.deb to install automatically all the dependancies but it does not get them, is there a way to get all the dependancies automatically ?
[10:57] <JoseStefan> visik7, read what binapower said here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261179&page=2
[10:58] <JoseStefan> visik7, and this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/61349
[10:58] <visik7> yes is more or less the same solution
[10:58] <stewee> When updating apache on ubuntu, I get this:Setting up apache (1.3.33-6sarge3) ...
[10:58] <stewee> Number found where operator expected at -e line 4, near "s,^\s*Port.*,Port 80,443"
[10:58] <stewee> syntax error at -e line 4, near "s,^\s*Port.*,Port 80,443"
[10:58] <stewee> Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
[10:58] <stewee> dpkg: error processing apache (--configure):
[10:58] <JoseStefan> visik7, Zvjer: btw, i just kept running update-flashplugin, and it seems to be downloading it
[10:58] <stewee> someone had this too?
[10:59] <visik7> with the dapper version ?
[10:59] <JoseStefan> visik7, yes
[10:59] <visik7> not here
[10:59] <kendals> landell:
[10:59] <kendals>   Depends: libdbus-1-2 (>=0.61) but 0.60-6ubuntu8 is to be installed
[10:59] <kendals>   Depends: libdbus-glib-1-2 (>=0.61) but 0.60-6ubuntu8 is to be installed
[10:59] <Zvjer> here I am
[10:59] <kendals> But synaptics only has 0.60..?
[10:59] <kendals> What do I do here?
[10:59] <Zvjer> let me try this advice
[10:59] <JoseStefan> visik7, it's sure taking it's sweet ass time
[10:59] <stewee> visik7:with the previous one
[10:59] <Grub_Now>
[10:59] <kendals> I even tried getting libdbus latest from it's site, and compiling that!
[10:59] <stewee> visik7: version 3.1
[11:00] <JoseStefan> Zvjer, run: sudo update-flashplugin
[11:00] <Z310N> my application that i try to emulate with wine, say it cant install due to missing DLL files, witch are available in the same dir. as the installer file, why dosent it work?
[11:00] <JoseStefan> Zvjer, looks like it is working now
[11:00] <visik7> Z310N: you need to put the dll in the winecfg
[11:01] <cerberus> is there a quick easy way to upgrade from breezy to dapper if you have the dapper cd?
[11:02] <kendals> How do I get libdbus-1-2 (>=0.61) and libdbus-glib-1-2 (>=0.61), when Synaptics only has 0.60 :(
[11:02] <cerberus> without using x based tools
[11:02] <Zvjer> yap, flash 7.0.68 works now
[11:02] <starpause> i just got moc-2.4.0 compiled & running for ubuntu 6.06! fcuk yes!
[11:02] <Zvjer> by using the advice 50 lines above
[11:03] <JoseStefan> i rather get the old one working, and wait until they officialy fix the backport
[11:03] <Z310N> where visik7?
[11:04] <visik7> Z310N: run the winecfg
[11:04] <visik7> and put the dll in the library tab
[11:04] <Z310N> iam in winecfg but there is a lot of configuration possibilitys
[11:04] <raj> how do i test my  reverse lookup working on dns
[11:04] <kendals> How do I get libdbus-1-2 (>=0.61) and libdbus-glib-1-2 (>=0.61), when Synaptics only has 0.60 :(
[11:04] <BeepAU> What's the best way of lowering a mp3's bitrate? Is there an app that can do a bunch at once?
[11:05] <Zvjer> sound is now working for me in youtube hehe :)
[11:05] <Zvjer> now I like the new flash!
[11:06] <kendals> Zvjer- what guide?
[11:06] <Zvjer>  sudoedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-nonfree.postinst
[11:06] <Zvjer> and remove all the crap after
[11:06] <JoseStefan> i dont think thats the best way
[11:06] <Zvjer>  # Automatically added by dh_installinit
[11:06] <Zvjer> then
[11:06] <JoseStefan> looks very intrusive
[11:06] <Zvjer>  dpkg --configure --pending
[11:06] <Zvjer>  then works
[11:08] <Zvjer> finally some sound from youtube :)
[11:08] <Zvjer> have a nice day everybody, and thank you very muck visik7
[11:08] <Zvjer> OK?
[11:08] <visik7> :)
[11:09] <Zvjer> bye
[11:10] <AbortD> can anyone help me?
[11:10] <visik7> can you just ask ?
[11:10] <AbortD> maybe ;P
[11:10] <AbortD> well
[11:10] <AbortD> im getting a error with guichan
[11:10] <sess> abortd: 911
[11:10] <AbortD> they are saying its my build essentials?
[11:11] <AbortD> and its not guichan messing up
[11:11] <AbortD> how can i fix it?
[11:11] <Z310N> any wine experts?
[11:12] <Empty> AbortD, are you trying to build from scratch?
[11:12] <Empty> AbortD, There's a package you need to install if you are compiling source called build-essential
[11:12] <sess> z310n: im a beer man myself
[11:13] <AbortD> yes empty
[11:13] <AbortD> thank you i love you
[11:13] <AbortD> where do i get this?
[11:13] <Empty> AbortD, heh, no problem
[11:13] <Empty> Use Synaptic
[11:13] <AbortD> k
[11:13] <AbortD> yer awesome
[11:13] <sess> apt-get install build-essential
[11:13] <kendals> How do I get libdbus-1-2 (>=0.61) and libdbus-glib-1-2 (>=0.61), when Synaptics only has 0.60 :(
[11:13] <sess> easiest way to get it + dependencies
[11:13] <Empty> AbortD, nah that's an easy one...
[11:14] <Squatch> Dang...  I'm trying to get the LiveCD to run again, but it keeps hanging at "Loading hardware drivers..."  Any suggestions on how long to wait or how to startup in some mode that will show what's going on?
[11:14] <AbortD> i know yer awesome for helping me
[11:14] <sess> abortd: you know how to use apt right?
[11:14] <AbortD> aptpet?
[11:14] <AbortD> apt get
[11:14] <AbortD> er
[11:14] <sess> yea
[11:14] <AbortD> aptget
[11:14] <AbortD> space or no?
[11:14] <AbortD> i forget
[11:14] <sess> synaptic is good too, but apt is your bloodline
[11:14] <sess> type this at the console
[11:15] <AbortD> can i do sudo aptget install build essentials?
[11:15] <sess> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:15] <AbortD> :D
[11:15] <AbortD> i was right with mistypes
[11:15] <AbortD> yays
[11:15] <sess> perfect
[11:15] <sess> now go do it
[11:15] <sess> :-D
[11:15] <sess> damn, its late, 4:15 am
[11:15] <sess> time for bed
[11:15] <Gnalein> I thought ubuntu "just works" all the time, yet I'm facing several badworking things here
[11:16] <Gnalein> Gaim for an example just closes it self after I've connected on msn
[11:16] <Empty> Gnalein, nothing "just works" all the time, Ubuntu just has a pretty good batting average
[11:16] <drumline> ubuntu's grub doesn't have reiserfs capability natively does it?
[11:17] <Gnalein> It's very frustrating when you cannot be on msn...
[11:17] <Empty> drumline, use ext2 for /boot, then reiser wherever you need it
[11:18] <Empty> drumline, I would only use reiser if you have a clear and documented need for it
[11:19] <pluffsy> hi
[11:19] <exmethix> hey @ all
[11:20] <drumline> Empty: ahh ok..  is that because reiserfs is so new?
[11:20] <exmethix> i have a question. i want to buy a new webcam today. My old cam was a mistake (Labtec). I just loke to hear some DO's and DONT's from you...
[11:20] <Empty> nomego_, it is pretty stable but when it dies it does so explosively
[11:20] <drumline> Empty: I was having trouble getting grub to embed the reiserfs_stage1_5 even when I was specifying a prefix directory...  crazy
[11:21] <drumline> Empty: dayam...   I guess I'll be using ext3  :)
[11:21] <Empty> err drumline , not nomego_
[11:21] <exmethix> which cam would you use with dapper and edgy in future?
[11:21] <Squatch> I was just looking at that issue Drumline, and Reiserfs seems to be pretty mature, it's just that it's optimized for extremely small files (with an efficiency gain of about 10-15 times according to wikipedia)...  So unless you really need it, don't worry about it.
[11:21] <exmethix> i schuold give good pictures
[11:21] <drumline> Empty: is SUSE jumping the gun then by making reiserfs the default?
[11:21] <exmethix> and very important: IT SHOULD BE FULLY COMPATIBLE
[11:21] <exmethix> ;)
[11:21] <drumline> Squatch: cool... thanks so much.
[11:21] <Empty> drumline, Yeah... SUSE tends to make bizarre against-the-current-thought decisions like that
[11:22] <Empty> Squatch, it's a LOT faster if you are dealing with tons of small files
[11:22] <drumline> Empty: I've noticed..   They were getting slammed by the redhat guys for jumping onto the Xen boat a bit too soon.
[11:22] <drumline> Empty: How small?  :)   like 1k?
[11:22] <Empty> Squatch, I run qmail queues on Reiser and they totally haul ass
[11:23] <drumline> Empty: nice
[11:23] <Empty> drumline, Like a few meg
[11:23] <NET||abuse> hmm, i've installed mysql5 from debs and i see by default it has a user, debian-sys-maint , seems to have alot of access, most commands other than privileges and routines
[11:23] <tomcatt> !ntfs
[11:23] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:23] <NET||abuse> what is the point of it?
[11:23] <drumline> hmm...
[11:23] <xenoborg123445> go to this webpage: http://mrroot.homelinux.org/wordpress/
[11:23] <Squatch> Empty: I'll bet, it seems to be optimized for files under 4K.
[11:23] <Empty> NET||abuse, its for dpkg to use
[11:23] <drumline> Empty: from what I've been able to tell, there are more tools for diagnosing and repairing ext3, is that correct?
[11:23] <NET||abuse> Empty: oh? why does dpkg need access to data in the databases?
[11:23] <Empty> NET||abuse, should have no remote access and a yourbox-specific PW locked away somewhere IIRC
[11:23] <tomcatt> !defrag
[11:23] <ubotu> defragmentation is not needed for Ext3 and ReiserFS filesystems. They are much more efficient in their allocation of storage units.
[11:24] <Empty> NET||abuse, when installing packages with databases
[11:24] <NET||abuse> ohhhhhhh
[11:24] <NET||abuse> interesting
[11:24] <Empty> drumline, oodles more
[11:24] <tomcatt> !reiserfs
[11:24] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, in benchmarks it outperforms many others on I/O operations, but they take notoriously long to mount.
[11:24] <falsenames> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me change network card drivers.  Ubuntu did not load up foredeth, and instead loaded up an old driver, which is causing my connection to be FAR slower than it should be.
[11:24] <tomcatt> !ext2
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <drumline> Empty: yeah...  I'll be installing this next one with ext3.  Thanks.  :)
[11:24] <drumline> !ext23
[11:24] <tomcatt> !ext3
[11:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext23 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:24] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[11:25] <Empty> !xfs
[11:25] <ubotu> xfs: X font server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.1-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 50 kB, installed size 180 kB
[11:25] <drumline> oh that's right
[11:25] <drumline> There's a windows driver
[11:25] <Empty> !jfs
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <tomcatt> !reiserfs4
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reiserfs4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <tomcatt> !reiserfs3
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reiserfs3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <njan> Technically that's no ttrue. Ext3 just doesn't happen to have a defragmentation tool.
[11:25] <Empty> heh, ubotu is kinda slow in the FSA department
[11:25] <drumline> That new reiserfs..   That'll take a while to catch on.
[11:25] <xenoborg123445> reiserfs4 info -> http://mrroot.homelinux.org/wordpress/
[11:25] <njan> Ext2 did, and you can use it on ext3 if you temporarily downgrade ext3 => ext2.
[11:25] <tomcatt> thx
[11:26] <njan> http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html <= ext2 defragger
[11:26] <drumline> Empty: thx for all the data...  very helpful stuff.
[11:27] <falsenames> So, can anyone help me with my network driver problem?
[11:27] <tomcatt> is there a way to read reiserfs in windows? (in case I need to run it.)
[11:27] <kendals> How do I get libdbus-1-2 (>=0.61) and libdbus-glib-1-2 (>=0.61), when Synaptics only has 0.60 :(
[11:27] <Empty> drumline, No problem :) Go forth and have fun
[11:27] <drumline> Empty, heh... will do.  Niter!
[11:28] <haffe> Hi, could somebody help me with my problem? I installed a hibernate kernel. Now I wish to compile a matching nvidiadriver. How should I do this?
[11:28] <AbortD> what is opengl?
[11:28] <AbortD> !opengl
[11:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:28] <AbortD> :/
[11:29] <sess> damn can't sleep, ned some aquateen
[11:29] <surface> tomcatt:  the way i can think off is load an linux in vmware.
[11:29] <Empty> AbortD, OpenGL is a 3d toolkit
[11:29] <babo_> what are the best webmaster forums ?
[11:29] <njan> babo_, www.webhostingtalk.com
[11:29] <Empty> haffe, what video card do you have?
[11:29] <babo_> njan: cool thanks, I'll check it out ...
[11:30] <sess> Z310N: aah wine, the recursively acronymed windows emulator.  :)  havent used it in a while, mostly using crossover office for my windows needs.
[11:30] <AbortD> Empty,  dont i need it to view 3d stuff?
[11:30] <njan> babo_, yw
[11:30] <vds> hi all, I've just installed dapper on a dell inspiron 8600, I'm using nvidia proprietary driver, everything seems to work fine except that I cannot see the textual shell looks, any suggestion ? tnx!
[11:30] <the1> opengl is standard for graphics functions implimented in hardware and interfaced through a your graphics card driver
[11:30] <haffe> Empty: GF5200
[11:30] <the1> you can use your cpu for doing opengl instead of your graphics card, but it will be much slower
[11:31] <AbortD> the1 you just confused me?
[11:31] <the1> sorry
[11:31] <AbortD> well i got a nvidia or something
[11:31] <AbortD> i can 420 or someshit
[11:31] <haffe> Hmmm.
[11:31] <the1> nvidia is the chipset of your graphics card
[11:31] <AbortD> ok
[11:31] <AbortD> well
[11:31] <haffe> Somebody seems to be unable to read.
[11:32] <haffe> I got a link to the binary nvidia howto.
[11:32] <sess> Z310N: I believe that sometimes you have to pay to get what you want, it also helps continue development in the opensource world
[11:32] <haffe> And as people should know. The binary driver is not compatible with hibernateenabled kernels.
[11:32] <kendals> How do I get guifications to work with Gaim2beta3?
[11:32] <takemiya_masaki> hello
[11:32] <fatbrain> cry, where do I get  libsmbclient.h from?
[11:32] <sess> Z310N: you use wine, and it works pretty well.  I use crossover office and it works extremely well.  If I want to play games, I have wineX, which works tremendously well.
[11:33] <AbortD> do i need opengl libraries to view things made in it?
[11:33] <Empty> haffe, tried fglrx?
[11:33] <fatbrain> (I have libsmbclient installed, didn't see a -dev package :()
[11:33] <BeepAU> who uses xine and wants to help me?
[11:33] <AbortD> i installed guichan
[11:33] <falsenames> Yet again, I'm looking for some way to change what driver my network card is using to forcedeth.  I have no idea how to do this, and would like to get some help, as web browsing is going at a snail's pace.
[11:33] <haffe> Empty: Why would I want to run an atidriver for my nvidiacard?
[11:33] <surface> BeepAU:  whats the problem with xine?
[11:33] <cpk2> haffe: you wouldnt =P
[11:34] <Empty> haffe, oh man, I am sorry... it's late
[11:34] <AbortD> and says it wont support it unless i get certain libraries then tells me to refer to my my graphics card vendor
[11:34] <takemiya_masaki> im having trouble with a jnlp wich should work but doesnt. Anyone on dapper whould be kind enought to check if it works on his box?  Its this app, its a go server client. http://files.gokgs.com/javaBin/cgoban.jnlp.   http://files.gokgs.com/javaBin/cgoban.jnlp
[11:34] <AbortD> to talk to them
[11:34] <sess> Z310N: It was worth the little  money it cost to purchase a few utilities taht would provide me with thousands of hours of productivity and entertainment.  I used to dick with vaniilla wine a lot, but in the end, what I wanted has not been accomplished yet by the opensource project.
[11:34] <Empty> haffe, I am STFUing about your vid prob before I fry you LOL
[11:35] <JosefK> got to say, I'm pretty impressed with the hardware support for Latitudes (even wireless works out of the box)
[11:35] <BeepAU> surface -- i want to change the aspect ratio xine is set at when it opens
[11:35] <falsenames> ok, giving up and heading to a channel where I'll actually get some help.
[11:35] <BeepAU> surface -- but, i can't find how
[11:35] <cpk2> haffe: the binaries at the nvidia site wont work for you?
[11:35] <JosefK> anyone here setup a 'TouchStick' (kinda like the ones on a Thinkpad)?  the pointer control works, but it can't do tapping or scrolling
[11:35] <cpk2> i'm assuming the one from apt-get is no good
[11:36] <takemiya_masaki> JosefK, its an alps?
[11:36] <surface> BeepAU:  sorry,i am not even know what is aspect ratio
[11:36] <haffe> cpk2: I am looking for a howto on compiling them.
[11:36] <kendals> How do I get guifications to work with Gaim2beta3?
[11:36] <JosefK> takemiya_masaki: just doing an lspci, two secs
[11:36] <Marlun> Can I upgrade the vim version that comes with ubuntu to 7.0 somehow?
[11:36] <BeepAU> surface -- it's the size of the screen, the most common ones are 4:3 and 16:9
[11:37] <JosefK> takemiya_masaki: no indication :/ it's whatever comes on a new Latitude, checking xorg.conf now
[11:37] <cpk2> haffe: did you get the .sh?
[11:37] <Empty> night all
[11:37] <takemiya_masaki> i setup mine, using synaptic driver, and adding some lines in xorg.conf
[11:37] <takemiya_masaki> now scrolling works
[11:38] <takemiya_masaki> i copied the xorg lines from a suse setup wich had it working out of the box
[11:38] <surface> BeepAU:  maybe u can vi .xine/config and make gui.experience_level to master and try to configure in preference again
[11:38] <haffe> cpk2: Yes.
[11:38] <JosefK> takemiya_masaki: it's a Wacom "eraser" - it's got a seperate section in xorg.conf, so I'm going to google for more options
[11:38] <cpk2> haffe: just stop X and then sh nvidiashfile
[11:38] <haffe> That complains that it can't find kernel sources.
[11:39] <cpk2> youre doing this with X stopped right?
[11:39] <alluc> hi
[11:39] <haffe> Yes.
[11:40] <alluc> my website is http://classifiers.eu/, but when openning this address, it's replaced by http://<IP_ADDRESS>/costa31/, how to keep the original name in the address bar of the browser ?
[11:40] <cpk2> haffe: you have build-essentials?
[11:41] <devin_> what's a simple calculator that i can do '2+5' in with bash
[11:41] <devin_> like, simple Unix command
[11:41] <the1> bc will work
[11:41] <the1> but is not too simple
[11:42] <jpjacobs> devin_, if you something simple, yet powerfull ry wcalc
[11:42] <devin_> is there a simple one i can pass 2+5 to?
[11:42] <devin_> bc seems to only work in interactive mode
[11:42] <devin_> i also  thought of bc
[11:43] <devin_> but because of that i cant use it
[11:43] <exmethix> could somebody tell me a webcam, that is perfectly working with ubuntu dapper?
[11:43] <the1>  bc starts by
[11:43] <the1>        processing code from all the files listed on the command line in the order listed.  After all files have  been
[11:43] <the1>        processed,  bc reads from the standard input.
[11:44] <takemiya_masaki> i use irb fur
[11:44] <surface> devin_:  bc can do that, example check www.linuxbyexample.co.nr
[11:44] <takemiya_masaki> for that
[11:44] <hawkaloogie> this is the SECOND TIME that ubuntu has updated my kernel without updating linux-restricted-modules
[11:44] <hawkaloogie> what do i do automatic updates for if not to have my computer automatically update?
[11:45] <kalif> devin_: echo 2+5 | bc
[11:45] <devin_> ah duh
[11:45] <devin_> just pipe the stdio
[11:45] <hawkaloogie> just a note to those helping users: if some people with nvidia module get latest kernel update and forget linux-restricted-modules, they'll ask why their X won't start :p
[11:47] <cafuego> devin_: echo $(( 2+5 ))
[11:49] <surface> cafuego:  how about floating point?
[11:49] <cafuego> surface: 'bc' I think
[11:49] <surface> cafuego:  echi $(( 2/5 ))
[11:49] <surface> doesn seems to work
[11:50] <surface> cafuego:  ok :P
[11:50] <kalif> echo 2/5 | bc -l
[11:50] <surface> kalif:  thx
[11:51] <kalif> bc is so cool
[11:51] <Ernst_> can anyone tell how i can change the theme of wine so it gets the same color as ubuntu's human?
[11:51] <kalif> echo 'ibase=10;obase=16;16' | bc -l
[11:53] <NineTeen67Comet> Afternoon all .. is the cli to format a hard drive in Ubuntu the same as some of the others? mkfs.vfat for fat32?
[11:54] <jpjacobs> yeah
[11:54] <scrp> isnt there some terminal i can use to connect to cisco routers? using com1
[11:55] <Z310N> have anyone tried the crossover application?
[11:55] <surface> kalif:  yeah
[11:56] <Z310N> hereby ment the commersial software that has the same funktionality like wine but in a GUI enviroment
[11:56] <ic56> scrp: the traditional applications are cu(1) and tip(1).  They are part of the uucp subsystem.  There are plenty others that offer fancier functionality and which don't depend on the uucp subsystem.  I like kermit, though I haven't used it in ages.
[11:56] <kalif> scrp: minicom
[11:58] <ic56> scrp: btw, com1 = /dev/ttyS0
[11:59] <scrp> thanks ic56 & kalif
[11:59] <ic56> scrp: yw
[12:00] <KenSentMe> What's the problem with the update of flashplugin-nonfree>
[12:00] <mypapit> hmm
[12:00] <surface> mypapit:  whatsup?
[12:01] <mypapit> surface: a little bored
[12:01] <botxj> http://b2b.sony.com/Solutions/product/VGN-UX280P <--- that right there is the besst UMPC ever, hands down, no questions asked
[12:01] <surface> mypapit:  then try to answer question ppl throw here
[12:03] <DarkMageZ> KenSentMe, it's borked for you as well?
[12:03] <scrp> fleah, xwindows wont even let me ALT+F1(F2..F3)...if i try to switch consoles it shuts down X
[12:03] <KenSentMe> DarkMageZ: well, i get an error when i upgrade it
[12:03] <scrp> (also all my console screens are blank) anyone have any ideas?
[12:04] <DarkMageZ> KenSentMe, same
[12:04] <surface> scrp alt+ctrl F1
[12:05] <Squatch> So, I'm sitting here with a fresh install of Ubuntu, staring at a grub prompt...  Can't seem to find any documentation telling me what's gonig on and what to do, can anyone point me in the direction of some information that will let me know why Ubuntu isn't booting (it's the only OS on the HDD so I fail to see the need for Grub...) and what to do to get it to boot?
[12:06] <RawSewage> what does this mean:  mplayer: symbol lookup error: mplayer: undefined symbol: a52_resample
[12:06] <RawSewage> mplayer stopped decoding my rm to wav
[12:06] <ic56> Squatch: if you hit [ENTER]  or wait for the timeout, grub should boot.
[12:07] <hettar> Do edgy install problems get submitted to the normal bug system ?
[12:07] <motin_> I'd greatly appriciate it if you took the time to check out the problem of getting tv-out to work on a hp pavilion dv4000 with the intel i915gm graphics card: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1512441 - I am doubting it is even possible.
[12:07] <Squatch> ic56: No timeout on the screen, and hitting enter just generates another grub prompt two lines down.
[12:09] <JosefK> erk :/ with the PLF shutdown, anyone got a source for non-free mplayer/ffmpeg builds + w32codecs?
[12:09] <ic56> Squatch: does your grub display a menu of bootable items?  In a default install, there should be at least 2 boots: default and "recovery".
[12:09] <Marlun> I installed php5-curl with apt-get but now when I do phpinfo(); theres nothing in there about php_curl, do I have to manually add it to the php.ini file?
[12:10] <Squatch> ic56: All I see is some info about Grub (version, memory, talk about Tabbing and BASH-like editing), and "grub>  _"
[12:10] <hettar> When I try the last knot 3 release I just get a black screen after it starts X. Is there some way of getting this to work with an ATI x600 in a laptop ?
[12:11] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all again, is there a cli to show what format a partition is? .. df -h hands out the used space, and some other info, but what can I use to say .. ext2/3 reiserfs, fat32 etc etc ..
[12:11] <KenSentMe> I've updated the kernel stuff yesterday and after that my 3d rendering doesn't work and fglrx uses mesa drivers. This is my Xorg.0.log: http://lab.vandenieuwenhof.nl/files/Xorg.0.log and here are the errors in dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24079. Can someone see what's wrong?
[12:11] <Marlun> I know I found the extension lines at the end of the php.ini, but still theres nothing about it in the phpinfo.
[12:11] <ic56> Squatch: what happens when you press [TAB]  ?
[12:11] <DarkMageZ> KenSentMe, yo, is this the same error you get? http://mirror.randumb.org/darkmagez/borkedbackport.png (related to your flash issue)
[12:12] <Squatch> ic56: "Possible commands are: blocklist boot..."
[12:12] <KenSentMe> DarkMageZ: something like that
[12:12] <DarkMageZ> KenSentMe, k. i'll file a bug
[12:12] <botxj> is that site actualy called "ran..dumb.org" ..?
[12:13] <KenSentMe> DarkMageZ: thanx
[12:13] <surface> Squatch:  did u change the ide port ur hdd plugin? , from primary to secondary
[12:13] <rootpt> i can't see a video in a webpage, missing plugin to see windows media player videos, can someone help me ?
[12:13] <surface> Squatch:  if u change the location of ur hardisk, this might be happen.
[12:13] <Squatch> surface: Nope, the drive I originally installed to is the slave on the primary IDE channel, I haven't futzed with any hardware level connections before or after the install either.
[12:14] <RabidSnail> rootpt: do you have VLC or MPlayer plugins? they can play older WMV files.
[12:14] <surface> Squatch:  did u add in new hardisk or cdrom?
[12:14] <jrib> rootpt: I like mplayer plugin-in (make sure you get w32codecs too), but there are others as well.  The package for the plugin is mozilla-mplayer
[12:14] <jrib> !w32codecs > rootpt
[12:14] <Squatch> surface: Nope, only changed the boot order in BIOS so I wouldn't get my Windows boot screen (haven't set it up for multi-boot with Ubuntu yet).
[12:14] <jrib> !multiverse > rootpt
[12:14] <surface> RabidSnail:  i have for xmms one
[12:15] <ic56> Squatch: ah.  Sounds like you either got out of the menu, or there isn't an installed menu.  Assuming you have IDE disks and ubuntu boot partition is the first one, try these three commands, one per line: root (hd0,0)  then: kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1  and finally: boot
[12:15] <rootpt> jrib: thanks man
[12:15] <RabidSnail> surface: xmms won't do video, will it?
[12:15] <Squatch> ic56: Alright, I'll give that a shot.
[12:16] <Squatch> ic56 and surface, thanks for the info BTW
[12:16] <ic56> Squatch: if ubuntu is, say on the 2nd IDE disk, 4th partition, then change those values respectively to (hd1,3) and hdb4
[12:17] <ic56> Squatch: yw and good luck
[12:17] <surface> RabidSnail:  ops sorry i tot wma
[12:17] <surface> RabidSnail:  xine with w32codecs will do fine
[12:19] <Squatch> ic56: Is there any way to list the available disks/partitions from Grub?
[12:19] <ic56> Squatch: I think so but I don't know it
[12:21] <jay_> hi! How can i say " in English?
[12:21] <botxj> box box box box
[12:21] <botxj> there, it's in english now
[12:22] <jrib> !zh
[12:22] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[12:22] <jrib> jay_: maybe you can get help in the channels above too
[12:25] <simpla> Hi
[12:25] <botxj> hello
[12:26] <simpla> Does anyone know or used the mono package for ubuntu?  did it work?
[12:27] <KenSentMe> I've updated the kernel stuff yesterday and after that my 3d rendering doesn't work and fglrx uses mesa drivers. This is my Xorg.0.log: http://lab.vandenieuwenhof.nl/files/Xorg.0.log and here are the errors in dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24079. Can someone see what's wrong?
[12:28] <MorphDK> what is the difference between a GTK+ engine and a regular theme/style?
[12:28] <Squatch> ic56: Looks like the auto-complete will tell me for each drive what it's partitions are and its file system(s).  Using that I was able to see that somehow, the whole configuration I had for the two HDDs involved seem to be hosed somehow, so I'm booting with the LiveCD to check them out and try and sort this out.
[12:30] <ic56> Squatch: good to know.  Thanks.  BTW, you really should inform the Ubuntu installer of any non-Ubuntu partitions already present.  You can do it later manually but it's a hassle. The installer menus are much more convenient
[12:31] <Squatch> ic56: What do you mean?  Are you talking about say, having an NTFS partition co-exist with an ext3fs partition for instance?
[12:31] <opexoc> Does anybody here use aMule and want to help me with using this program? I can't connect to server...  I get such errors: 2006-09-20 12:29:50: Connecting 2006-09-20 12:29:50: No valid servers to connect in serverlist found 2006-09-20 12:29:50: Read 0 Kad contacts
[12:31] <ic56> Squatch: yes, exactly or NTFS partititions on other disks
[12:32] <ic56> Squatch: yes, exactly.  or NTFS partititions on other disks...
[12:34] <Squatch> ic56: OK, well, I have a SATA disk that's entirely NTFS and I could care less whether I can see it from within Ubuntu, but I have a data disk formated to ext3fs to share data between the two platforms (using Ext2IFS in Windows), and that disk seems to be the only one Grub can recognize the file system on.  I installed Ubuntu on the Slave of the primary IDE channel (the shared disk is the master) and that one came up with the correct n
[12:34] <Squatch> partitions, but they were all unknown file systems...
[12:34] <Trackilizer> I now have daul monitors, but everytime i start a game like Americas Army, both screens turn black and Americas Army only shows up on a small scection on the right screen. How do i set it up that when playing games only my left screen is used?
[12:35] <KenSentMe> Does anyone have a wintv pvr card installed and running on ubuntu? I would like to know what ivtv driver version to use
[12:35] <eXiSt> i do load balancing with ip route multipath function. i have 2 isp and 1 local interface. ISP's subnets are different.I m trying to code a shell script that pings hosts from interfaces and check the state of interfaces. There is a assumption there is gateway 1 and gateway 2. Script ping google from the gateways every 120 sec.When it realize gateway1 is down it deletes the gateway one route. But i couldnt solve how i can check if gateway is up or not again?
[12:37] <SillyZ> mornin
[12:38] <ic56> Squatch: you inform the installer of those other partitions when you get to the partitioning menu during installation.  You'll need to change the existing fields for each partition to set it to the actual values. SATA disks are considered SCSI by Linux, hence you're dealing with /dev/sd?? instead of /dev/hd?? .  That's about the limit of what I can offer.  I'm still on an older release so I'm not current.
[12:39] <Squatch> ic56: Alright, I really appreciate your help.  I do have one more question though.  By "let Ubuntu know" do you mean I have to list every partition and give it a specific mounting point?
[12:40] <armin> hello, could someone be able to help me with a problem i'm having with VMware Player on Ubuntu?
[12:42] <KenSentMe> armin: what's your problem?
[12:42] <bXi> are there any overclocking tools for linux ?
[12:42] <jerb> isn't that a BIOS thing?
[12:42] <kalif> armin?
[12:43] <bXi> jerb: this mainboard has a software tool for it
[12:43] <ic56> Squatch: yes, exactly.  For Windows partitions that you don't want mounted, specify a mounting point and then unset the "always mount" flag (or whatever it's called in teh menu).  Mount points under /media/ are apparently best because the GUI file browser automatically lists those under the "my computer" icon.  Though I've seen some inconsistency and I have yet to figure out exactly how this is supposed to work
[12:43] <armin> when i try to maximise a window in WMware Player, it does not expand to full-screen, instead the screen is black with the window crammed against the side
[12:43] <bXi> so i guess it should be possible somehow in linux as well
[12:43] <kalif> armin: strange...
[12:43] <kalif> have you tried the VMware forums?
[12:44] <armin> ok, where are the VMware forums?
[12:45] <KenSentMe> armin: have you tried running vmware from the command line and see if you get any errors?
[12:45] <Squatch> ic56: Once again, thanks for the info...
[12:45] <Squatch> Uh oh...
[12:45] <kalif> armin: http://www.vmware.com/community/index.jspa
[12:45] <Squatch> Finally got something to boot, but it froze with "Kernel panic - not syncing"
[12:47] <zek> hey is this the tech support for ubuntu
[12:48] <daurnimator> the free one
[12:48] <daurnimator> - expect sparse responses
[12:48] <ic56> Squatch: the kernel can panic for a number of reasons.  Best you tell teh channel what it displayed *before* it panic'd.
[12:48] <TeePOG> actually I find the support here quite good... if someone rtfm's first
[12:50] <Squatch> ic56: I'm trying it again with a couple of options, the problem has to do with what I specified for /root=...
[12:50] <ic56> Squatch: sounds like you're on the right track.
[12:52] <calloc> If I have say 5 windows machines on a small wireless network and I then have an ubuntu box, that inet connection shares to another windows box - How can I let all clients on the network access media on the windows box behind the Ubuntu box, or is it really worth the hassle??
[12:52] <oeb> Hey guys, I installed ubuntu server with the lamp option. But currently the mail() function in PHP is doing nothing. Not sending mail or anything. I am guessing that I need to install sendmail for it to work so i did a sudo apt-get install sendmail which was successful. I added the sendmail path to my php.ini and rebooted the machine. However during the boot process I get an error that sendmail can't start. Is there anywhere that I can find a guide for setting th
[12:53] <Squatch> ic56: Alright, I'm specifying "/root=/dev/hda1" even though the HDD with Ubuntu is the slave on the primary channel.  For some reason, the ONLY file system that Grub recognizes is on hd0,0, and this is where it's finding the kernel.  Yet, for some reason I'm getting "Please append a correct 'root=' boot option" with a Kernel panic.  Yet, from the LiveCD, the partition utility sees the install on hdb1...
[12:54] <toodles> Hi. I've been looking for a while and I can't find any info on this. When I boot my dell laptop (running edgy alpha3 with and without updates applied), I get a non fatal error: "usplash: No usable theme found for 640 x 480". Any ideas why or where I can get more information?
[12:54] <Squatch> ic56: I get the same results if I use "/root=/dev/hdb1" as well.
[12:55] <ic56> Squatch: there should be no slash before "root="
[12:55] <Squatch> ic56: Heh, alright, I'll try both options again =).
[12:56] <ram89> thhj
[12:56] <kendals> How do I uninstall bchunk?
[12:57] <simpla> can anyone help me with a mono installation on ubuntu.  I am having some problems
[12:57] <Squatch> ic56: Same results.
[12:58] <ic56> Squatch: secondly, if your drive is SATA, you're dealing with /dev/Sd?? not /dev/Hd??
[12:58] <Squatch> ic56: The SATA drive is for my Windows installs, Ubuntu could live in complete ignorance of that drive as far as I'm concerned.
[12:59] <Squatch> ic56: The only volumes I care about mounting are the two IDE drives on the primary IDE channel.
[12:59] <tommo> I have samba installed, I'm trying to mount a windows network server through the root command, sbmnt //tulip/server /storage/server but its always getting aborted, what am I doing wrong?
[01:00] <tommo> er, smbmnt*
[01:00] <tommo> damnit, i mean smbd
[01:00] <armin> hi, about VMware Player on Ubuntu 6.06 - I maximise it and the screen comes up like this http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5732/screenshotad1.png
[01:00] <bXi> i'm not getting a visual with the ati drivers when i have load "glx" in my xorg.conf
[01:01] <bXi> any idea what this could be?
[01:01] <Squatch> ic56: At this point, I'm ready to let the installer have another go at it and head to bed myself.  I have classes in about 5.5 hours >_<.
[01:02] <ic56> Squatch: ok, /dev/hd?? is fine then.  Here's what's in my config:  root (hd0,0)   then: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-586tsc root=/dev/hda1 ro  then: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-2-586tsc  and finally: boot
[01:03] <tommo> I have samba installed, I'm trying to mount a windows network server through the root command, smbd //tulip/server /storage/server but its always getting aborted, what am I doing wrong?
[01:03] <donald_> can anyone point me in the right direction If I download application to my desk top (ie printer software) as a .deb file how do I install it from there
[01:04] <armin> i'm sorry to interrupt, but i couldn't find anything on the VMware forum, so if someone's expirenced and has the time could they give me a tip on how to resize into full screen?
[01:04] <snowblink> donald_, man dpkg
[01:04] <snowblink> armin, CTRL+ALT+Return usually does it
[01:05] <ninetofive> can anyone help with a usb webcam?
[01:05] <armin> when i resize it doesn't fill the screen, instead it looks like this http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5732/screenshotad1.png
[01:05] <Squatch> ic56:  Awesome!  Got farther this time using the intird.img line added in ^_^.
[01:05] <ic56> Squatch: cool!
[01:05] <tommo> I have samba installed, I'm trying to mount a windows network server through the root command, "smbd //tulip/server /storage/server" but its always getting aborted, what am I doing wrong?
[01:05] <Squatch> ic56: Thank you!
[01:06] <calloc> If I have say 5 windows machines on a small wireless network and I then have an ubuntu box, that inet connection shares to another windows box - How can I let all clients on the network access media on the windows box behind the Ubuntu box, or is it really worth the hassle??
[01:06] <ic56> Squatch: yw!
[01:06] <bionoid> tommo: mount -t cifs -ousername=<user>,password=<pass> //<IP_ADDRESS>/share_name /local/folder -- replace <IP_ADDRESS> with IP of server
[01:06] <Squatch> ic56: Now I'm at some sort of BusyBox shell.  Is this the normal shell prompt for Ubuntu?
[01:06] <tommo> thanks, ill try that
[01:06] <donald_> snowblink were do I find dpkg
[01:07] <shadox> armin: there seems to be somehting wrong with the resolution of resizing (i guess your screen is in 1024x768 and the black part is 640x480)
[01:07] <ootput> ninetofive: not much, but google (to wit's end) the hell out of the device.
[01:07] <ic56> Squatch: btw, once you figure out the right way to boot, you put a stanza for it in /boot/grub/menu.lst grub reads that file when at boot time.
[01:07] <Squatch> ic56: Cool, like a script?
[01:07] <ic56> Squatch: busybox shell is an intermediate ubuntu install stage.  Are you sure that install had finished?
[01:07] <ninetofive> ootput I have tried google but to no avail
[01:08] <ic56> Squatch: yes, like a script.
[01:08] <armin> thanks, do you know whether this is a problem with Ubuntu or the VMware Player (or the graphics card or something else?)?
[01:08] <snowblink> donald_, usually in /usr/bin... which dpkg will tell you for sure
[01:08] <tommo> bionoid, shouldnt it be mount -t ntfs?
[01:08] <Squatch> ic56: It claimed to have done so...  Reached 100% then rebooted for me.
[01:08] <ootput> ninetofive: perhaps your google skills aren't good enough :) Which device is this?
[01:09] <eskaypey> is there something like minimal iso to download?
[01:09] <eskaypey> i really don't want to dowloading 600MB
[01:09] <ic56> Squatch: hmph.  Well, Ubuntu's normal boot takes you straight to the GUI.
[01:09] <exe-cuter> armin: i think it's the VM player, if it was a fault due to your graphic card you would have noticed this problem also when changing to an other resulotion
[01:09] <ootput> eskaypey: not that i know of
[01:09] <donald_> thank you snowblink
[01:09] <eskaypey> damn
[01:09] <ram89> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[01:09] <snowblink> donald_, np
[01:09] <ninetofive> ootput it as a "vtalk" lsusb gives: MIcrodia
[01:10] <ram89> hhhmmmmmmmmhmmmhmhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhhhhhhmh
[01:10] <ootput> ram89: that's useful information
[01:10] <KenSentMe> I've updated the kernel stuff yesterday and after that my 3d rendering doesn't work and fglrx uses mesa drivers. This is my Xorg.0.log: http://lab.vandenieuwenhof.nl/files/Xorg.0.log and here are the errors in dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24079. Can someone see what's wrong?