[00:29] <J21> knome: my shell had problems at the dc
[00:29] <knome> J21, hope it's better now :)
[02:01] <Unit193> Respinning, fwiw.
[09:15] <ochosi> happy new year everyone, sorry for the absence, was in bed with 39' for a week now...
[12:46] <knome> huh
[12:47] <knome> get well soon
[12:47] <knome> and huh also because another friend just joined another channel and said exactly the same
[14:51] <mhall119> knome: bluesabre: thanks for that, do you have a link to the MP?
[14:54] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167


[08:13] <dura> any life?
[08:13] <dura> I need to get php5 to play nice with imagemagick
[08:13] <dura> dpkg-reconfigure php5 doesn't seem to work... :(
[12:15] <edgy> Hi, my log file is full of drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: control queue full in my ibm xseries 226 server, any hint what's wrong?


[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #120476 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "nv missing rotation option "inverted"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120476
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #120551 in libxrandr (main) "guidance-power-manager libXrandr" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120551
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #120480 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "HUGE Logon Font (dup-of: 107320)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120480
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #75868 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Font rendering glitches with radeon, known bug, patch exists (dup-of: 62537)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75868
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #120624 in xorg (main) "[gutsy]  x11-common (1:7.2-3ubuntu3) failed on apt-get update from feisty to gutsy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120624


[01:14] <InHisName> I got a bunch of goofy stuff going on with ubuntu on my 'backup' machine that I thought of just wiping it out and installing 12.04 clean.
[01:17] <InHisName> I have /boot => /dev/sda5/,   /home => /dev/sda8/ ,   / => /dev/sda6/     I'd like to keep it the same but start cleanly.   How to do that. I have a 12.04 disk (ubuntu install)
[01:17] <InHisName> anyone awake or am I too late at night ?
[01:42] <MutantTurkey> I am
[01:43] <MutantTurkey> what's up?
[01:43] <MutantTurkey> so just reformat those partitions
[01:43] <MutantTurkey> but keep the sizes and such
[01:47] <waltman> Huh, how'd I get an $0.18 balance in my Amazon Payments account? I didn't even know I *had* an Amazon Payments account!
[01:49] <MutantTurkey> lol
[01:49] <MutantTurkey> I am gonna start doing mturk
[01:49] <MutantTurkey> maybe a refund?
[01:49] <InHisName> Is there a better way than booting LiveCD, reformat each of the 3 partitions.
[01:50] <waltman> MutantTurkey: maybe?
[01:50] <InHisName> Install 12.04 to /    ,    THEN boot live CD again and move the /home & /boot to 2nd & 3rd ones.     Is there a better way than that ?
[01:50] <MutantTurkey> no idea
[01:50] <MutantTurkey> InHisName: I mean just do it all during your 12.04 install
[01:51] <MutantTurkey> when installing use the partition option to do all your partitioning and set all your mount points then
[01:51] <InHisName> the install knows how to reformat and mount properly the tree partitions ?
[01:51] <InHisName> three
[02:02] <MutantTurkey> I think it has a dialog to do it
[02:02] <MutantTurkey> InHisName: dude go to #ubuntu
[02:02] <MutantTurkey> they rock
[09:30] <rmg51> Morning
[09:57] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:57] <rmg51> o/
[11:19] <waltman> Morning
[11:23] <rmg51> Morning waltman
[11:23] <rmg51> off to work
[11:23] <waltman> Yo.
[11:24] <MutantTurkey> morning
[11:24] <waltman> gobble gobble
[11:29] <waltman> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19479013
[12:09] <InHisName> Interesting,  article says McD is only 2nd in food outlets world wide.  Subway is 1st.  WHEN did that happen?  I didn't know Subway was anyway that LARGE ?
[12:27] <waltman> 2010, according to wikipedia
[13:28] <InHisName> wow
[13:29] <InHisName> Do the canonical 12.04 disk ever have problems while still fresh and unscratched ?
[13:33] <InHisName> I got error on install  that my CD might be bad and I should make one at a slower speed. I did not make this one, canonical did.   The error was:  the installer crashed, and I had to power down to start over.
[13:37] <InHisName> I've rebooted 3x and each time the systems fonts are missing some chars.   www.linkedin.com/  looks like this www  i k di  co /     is this a symtom of a bad CD/DVD ?
[13:38] <rmg51> if in doubt try an alt cd
[13:39] <ChinnoDog> In my exeperience randomly failing CD install is a result of bad power supply or bad drive.
[13:39] <jedijf> wow
[13:39] <jedijf> start with the cd before hardware
[13:39] <ChinnoDog> obviously
[13:39] <jedijf> grim reaper
[13:39] <ChinnoDog> Just saying, there are other causes
[13:40] <ChinnoDog> Once it was a bad memory chip
[13:40] <ChinnoDog> Regardless of whether it is memory chip or power supply the memory test will fail
[13:40] <jedijf> InHisName: md5 test it and google how before you ask
[13:40] <ChinnoDog> If you don't have another CD you can just run memtest86 for 10 minutes
[13:41] <ChinnoDog> Checking CD takes too long. Just burn another one. :-p
[13:41] <jedijf> one release we had a whole bad batch from canonical
[13:43] <jedijf> lots of talk about dropping alt's from cd releases - i am too afraid to really look at thread though
[13:43]  * jedijf is an alt man
[13:44] <rmg51> that's what I use to upgrade
[13:44] <JonathanD> no more alt?
[13:44] <jedijf> that's the talk
[13:45] <JonathanD> :/
[13:45] <jedijf> maybe someone who actually reads it will comment
[13:45] <jedijf> i just browse
[13:47] <jedijf> JonathanD: remind me to give you a bundle of cd's to take to cposc
[13:49] <JonathanD> jedijf: saturday?
[13:59] <jedijf> JonathanD: yes
[13:59] <JonathanD> Will do.
[14:04] <jedijf> rmg51: you too - in case of failure
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> and now i have to debug matlab crap...
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> wahhh
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> waltman: have you done anytihng with Non-linear least squares?
[14:35] <MutantTurkey> because I have no idea and the wikipedia page is a bit thick
[14:36] <TheLordOfTime> MATLAB IS EVIL
[14:36] <TheLordOfTime> BURN MATLAB
[14:36] <TheLordOfTime> *yawn*
[14:37] <TheLordOfTime> i'm biased against proprietary software...   Seems to be based on socket rather than the ram stick.
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> InHisName: just wondeirng, can you ignore bad memory?
[14:40] <InHisName> turkey asks a question then bails, hmmmm
[14:41] <TheLordOfTime> InHisName:  i guess the MoBo is fubar'd?
[14:41] <TheLordOfTime> if its saying the socket itself is having issues, well...
[14:42] <InHisName> Both sticks separately test well with memtest86 in right socket.  One of the sticks tests bad in left socket.  Now to test the other stick in 'bad' socket.
[14:42] <TheLordOfTime> watch it also test bad :P
[14:42] <TheLordOfTime> if that's the case, its the socket
[14:44] <InHisName> I suspect not the socket itself but some device connected to it but not connected to the good one.  Transistor / IC / what ever.
[14:49] <jedijf> blame ChinnoDog
[14:53] <ChinnoDog> You are blaming me for socket failure?
[14:54] <ChinnoDog> TheLordOfTime: Just exclude that memory range from kernel.
[14:54] <ChinnoDog> I had a WinXP box I ran for years like that. One of the chips went bad in that case.
[14:55] <ChinnoDog> Windows memory exclusion not as flexible as Linux kernel though. I was lucky that the bad chip was at the top of the memory range.
[15:07] <InHisName> Memory address  0000DDD1cc4  with a few bits in the D's section being bad.
[15:08] <InHisName> So ChinnoDog, how to exclude as little as possible ?
[15:08] <ChinnoDog> Only one address? That seems unlikely
[15:09] <ChinnoDog> I would expect a range of addresses. Usually the problem is a result of broken address lines
[15:09] <InHisName> actually I rapped on MB with plastic handled screwdriver a buncha times and now got only 3 errors instead of dozens.
[15:10] <ChinnoDog> lol
[15:10] <ChinnoDog> Are you going to do that every time the computer crashes?
[15:10] <jedijf> that doesn't seem like a good plan
[15:11] <jedijf> unless you're the Fonz
[15:12] <InHisName> The DDDs are 2f6, 3f6, 272    now three more popped up in test#6.  Now up to 75 errors
[15:13] <InHisName> or on an extremely tight budget
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> Are they all isolated to one memory chip?
[15:28] <InHisName> not sure
[15:29] <InHisName> oh, wait, The memory passes fine in the right socket.  Has a few fails in left socket.
[15:32] <InHisName> Here is mem address pattern   0000+ 5th is either 2 or 3,  6th is any num, 7th is any even (i think) then +1cc4
[15:33] <InHisName> this is failing bit    00008000   <- that one seems to be stuck at zero
[15:54] <ChinnoDog> Your calculation is mising a bit
[15:55] <ChinnoDog> There should be an even number of bits
[15:55] <ChinnoDog> 0000 ???? 1cc4
[17:12] <InHisName> What is EDD mean ?   Line from booting up:   EDD: Error 1000 reading sector 358216
[17:13] <InHisName> not really bits   hex bytes for each char
[17:16] <ChinnoDog> http://askubuntu.com/questions/92631/installation-problem-bootlogo
[17:16] <ChinnoDog> That error is meaningless if you haven't fixed the memory problem.
[17:17] <InHisName> Trying to boot from CD.   With only one stick in good slot.
[17:17] <InHisName> EDD = Enhanced Disk Drive - pgm to boot beyond 8GB
[17:18] <InHisName> Seems like it might be trying to boot from Hard drive and not CD.
[18:14] <Samuraialba> Good bacon to all and to all some good bacon!
[18:29] <InHisName> Hi Samuraialba!  having a bacon good time ?
[18:30] <InHisName> When I boot up, the CD seems to not boot.  I keep getting grub 1.99 with all my hard disk options.  I went into setup and removed the hard disk from things to boot from.   it SITLL boots from it.    WHAT is going on ?
[18:48] <Samuraialba> Not sure
[18:54] <InHisName> have some bacon, you tried to answer, thanks, Samuraialba
[18:56] <Sadin> :3 got my first paycheck today
[18:56] <Sadin> not under the table or temp sumer job either :D
[18:57] <ChinnoDog> What job are you getting paid to do?
[18:57] <Sadin> Just McDonalds :/
[18:57] <Sadin> but hey its money
[18:57] <Sadin> itll help me pay insurance on my first car :D
[19:08] <Samuraialba> Or...
[19:08] <Samuraialba> a Server
[19:08] <ChinnoDog> Money is money.
[19:08] <Samuraialba> :)
[19:09] <ChinnoDog> Or just get a free server
[19:09] <Sadin> Samurailba lol I still need one!
[19:09] <Sadin> ChinnoDog lol if you can tell me how to get a free one pleaseeee do
[19:09] <ChinnoDog> Joe_CoT posted a link on fb for one recently
[19:11] <Joe_CoT> i did. http://chunkhost.com/r/joecot
[19:11] <Joe_CoT> it's a free 128mb one
[19:11] <Joe_CoT> but they're in a waiting queue at the moment I think.
[19:12] <Joe_CoT> There's also Amazon EC2. A free micro instance for a year
[19:12] <Sadin> Joe_CoT so this is a Free VPS?
[19:13] <Joe_CoT> yes
[19:13] <Sadin> Joe_CoT im getting an error signing up with facebook
[19:13] <Joe_CoT> no idea
[19:14] <Joe_CoT> your other option is http://aws.amazon.com/free/
[19:14] <Joe_CoT> free micro instance for a year
[19:15] <Sadin> ehhh
[19:15] <Joe_CoT> what are you looking for?
[19:16] <ChinnoDog> Free isn't good enough for Sadin. Must be looking for 16 cores and 8gb of memory.
[19:16] <Sadin> ChinnoDog nooo
[19:16] <Sadin> I just havent really ever liked amazon
[19:17] <Sadin> If i can get this service to work id rather use it
[19:17] <ChinnoDog> I thought the choice was no server or free server
[19:18] <Joe_CoT> Sadin, chunkhost started their free offering yesterday and have been swamped. I would hold on to the link and try it in a couple days
[19:18] <ChinnoDog> 1 server > 0 servers
[19:18] <Joe_CoT> the chunkhost is 128mb and free forever. the amazon one is 600 something and free for a year
[19:18] <Sadin> ChinnoDog i have a vps i share with some one else but he wont let me instal ruby or node on it so im looking to start paying for my own now that i have a job
[19:19] <Joe_CoT> but whether the chunkhost one will ever actually be delivered is an unknown
[19:19] <Sadin> Joe_CoT i see
[19:19] <Sadin> i signed up for the free amazon one
[19:19] <Joe_CoT> just make sure to use a 10gb ebs image
[19:19] <Sadin> alright
[19:19] <Joe_CoT> if you use the 15gb one you'll be 5gb over the free tier. so 50 cents a month
[19:20] <ChinnoDog> hmm. Someone who knows more about Linux than me... can Sadin install web server/software of choice without admin privilages? Maybe in chroot environment?
[19:21] <ChinnoDog> oh, but with only one IP it would not be able to run on port 80
[19:21]  * ChinnoDog ponders
[19:21] <Sadin> ChinnoDog if i want to continue to be able to use his server for free until i get my own, i need to abide by his rules so even if i could
[19:21] <Joe_CoT> ChinnoDog, you need admin to do chroot
[19:22] <Joe_CoT> yes he could install a web server, it couldn't bind to a reserved port. it'd have to run on like 8080 or something
[19:22] <Joe_CoT> it couldn't be on a port less than 1000 or something (I don't remember when the reserved range ends)
[19:23] <pleia2> 1024
[19:23] <Joe_CoT> pleia2++
[19:23] <TheLordOfTime> doesnt reserved end at about 1024?
[19:23] <TheLordOfTime> damn it ninja'd
[19:23] <TheLordOfTime> now i'm annoyed
[19:23] <Joe_CoT> 1000? 1024? close enough
[19:24] <Joe_CoT> TheLordOfTime, it's ok, you still have control over time and stuff
[19:24] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[19:35] <ChinnoDog> TheLordOfTime: go into the future and fetch us a copy of Zany Zebra
[19:44] <TheLordOfTime> give me $12000000 and i'll consider it
[20:28] <ChinnoDog> Can I deposit a few bucks in a bank account now and you recieve payment when you pick Zany?
[20:30] <TheLordOfTime> you'd need to put 6mil in minimum
[20:34] <ChinnoDog> You mean this isn't like the restaurant at the end of the universe?
[21:05] <InHisName> The CD drive was disabled, So fixed it active and hdd disabled.  Now boots CD.  Installed 12.04 in 35 minutes with only 1GB memory.
[21:07] <InHisName> Joe_CoT: what is chuck host ?   storage only or ???
[21:07] <Joe_CoT> InHisName, Chunkhost. VPS
[21:07] <InHisName> virtual power supply?
[21:08] <Joe_CoT> Virtual Private Server. they're doing a free VPS in a referral pyramid scheme (you get 128mb vps, 64 mb more per person you refer), but the second they went live they got flooded with requests, so their free servers are currently on a waiting list
[21:08] <Joe_CoT> and some people are having problems logging in with facebook to redeem the free server
[21:10] <jedijf> go linode or go home
[21:10] <InHisName> I can wait a while. Lotta irons in fire at moment.


[05:41] <Maple> hello
[07:31] <pitti> Good morning
[07:31] <pitti> robert_ancell: hey, how are you?
[07:32] <robert_ancell> pitti: doing good, yourself? are you over the ubuflu?
[07:32] <pitti> asac: blueprints> just set them to pending approval,  I'll get mail for it
[07:32] <pitti> robert_ancell: I just started getting ubuflu on Monday
[07:32] <pitti> I'm in the middle of it *cough* *sniff*
[07:32] <robert_ancell> hope you get better soon!
[07:33] <pitti> thanks; not the end of the world
[08:35] <lool> Hi all
[08:35] <lool> seb128: arm gnome-keyring workaround: well it will probably break if you remove it, but then we had to chase it anyway so feel free to remove it and we shall research this again this cycle; thanks
[08:50] <seb128> hello there
[08:50] <seb128> lool: ok thanks
[08:50] <seb128> robert_ancell: there?
[08:50] <robert_ancell> seb128: hey
[08:50] <robert_ancell> seb128: building totem for the millionth time...
[08:50] <seb128> robert_ancell: hello! had a good trip back to your part of the world?
[08:50] <robert_ancell> seb128: long and tedious as normal :)
[08:51] <seb128> hehe
[08:52] <robert_ancell> I hear you got the ubuflu.  I seem to have missed that one
[08:52] <seb128> it's not really the flu, or at least not the chilian one with fever and everything
[08:52] <seb128> just running nose, etc ... standard cold
[08:53] <robert_ancell> yes, the meeting got steadily noisier with coughing as UDS went on
[08:53] <robert_ancell> meetings
[08:54] <crevette> hello
[08:54] <seb128> blame ie on the climate control being set on too cold
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 - did you have a good couple of weeks?
[08:55] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, excellent out of the uds-cold, thanks
[08:56] <seb128> thanks for the gnome-applets update ;-)
[08:56] <chrisccoulson> you're welcome. apart from that, i didn't really do that much while you were at UDS ;)
[08:56] <seb128> there is no hurry to do anything right now
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> cool. i was just about to ask if you had lots of work for me to do ;)
[08:58] <seb128> you are looking for work?
[08:58] <seb128> robert_ancell: what issues do you have to get totem to build?
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> i could probably do a bit if there is some to do. the only thing i'm working on at the moment really is http://live.gnome.org/LowDiskSpaceWarning
[09:00] <robert_ancell> seb128: I'm still confused by the totem.postinst (I've just added || true to get around this currently) and when I try and install the new packages through dpkg it always seems to conflict
[09:06] <seb128> robert_ancell: is your current code online somewhere?
[09:06] <seb128> ie in bzr?
[09:06] <seb128> btw some note, just do your changes directly to the ubuntu-desktop bzr
[09:06] <seb128> doing the change somewhere else is good when you don't have write access to this one
[09:06] <robert_ancell> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Erobert-ancell/totem/ubuntu/
[09:06] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:07] <rodrigo_> hi seb128!
[09:07] <robert_ancell> seb128: yup, will do in the future
[09:07] <seb128> rodrigo_: how are you? had a nice trip back after uds?
[09:07] <seb128> robert_ancell: "rodrigo_@opensuse" ... you might want to change that ;-)
[09:07] <rodrigo_> seb128: now almost recovered from UDS, what about you?
[09:08] <seb128> rodrigo_: I got a cold but otherwise I'm good thanks
[09:08] <rodrigo_> seb128: yeah, I guess so :)
[09:08] <rodrigo_> seb128: again??
[09:08]  * rodrigo_ still with no flu
[09:09] <seb128> yeah ... that's what you get when sharing room with somebody having the chilian flu at uds
[09:09] <seb128> btw has somebody seen pedro recently?
[09:09] <rodrigo_> seb128: no, haven't, ho got back home ok, right?
[09:09] <seb128> I don't know that's why I'm asking
[09:09] <rodrigo_> s/ho/he
[09:10] <seb128> I've no seen him since UDS
[09:10] <robert_ancell> seb128: am I missing something here, I try installing the new packages with dpkg but it gets into dependency loops (http://paste.ubuntu.com/187208/) - can dpkg do this or do I need them in an APT repository to handle an upgrade like this?
[09:10] <rodrigo_> hmm
[09:11] <robert_ancell> seb128: well he got to the airport, we shared a cab there
[09:11] <seb128> ok
[09:11] <seb128> robert_ancell: the error suggest that you built from somewhere where control was outdated
[09:12] <seb128> robert_ancell: "totem-plugins depends on totem-gstreamer (= 2.26.2-0ubuntu1) | totem-xine (= 2.26.2-0ubuntu1)"
[09:12] <robert_ancell> seb128: he was feeling sick though so he may not be working
[09:12] <seb128> right, I was just wondering if he arrived safely
[09:12] <robert_ancell> seb128: I did that at first, then rebuilt control and it still seems to be doing that
[09:12] <seb128> he was joking about not being allow to leave the airport if he had fever
[09:13] <seb128> because of the flu paranoia etc
[09:13] <seb128> so I'm just checking if that was a joke ;-)
[09:13] <seb128> robert_ancell: dpkg -I totem-plugins_2.27.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb | grep Depends
[09:13] <mvo> I take the gnome-doc-utils sponsoring (if noone is on it already)
[09:14] <seb128> mvo: thanks
[09:14] <robert_ancell> seb128: looks ok i think? http://paste.ubuntu.com/187210/
[09:14] <pitti> seb128, robert_ancell: bug 380850 makes me unsure whether to sponsor this
[09:15] <seb128> robert_ancell: indeed, I'm wondering from where you get this " totem-plugins depends on totem-gstreamer (= 2.26.2-0ubuntu1) | totem-xine (= 2.26.2-0ubuntu1)"
[09:15] <seb128> pitti: what about it? the libraries?
[09:15] <pitti> seb128: yes
[09:16] <pitti> haven't looked at it yet, though
[09:16] <seb128> pitti: I told robert_ancell during uds to do the update, we can split later when required
[09:16] <seb128> it's just a Replaces to add
[09:16] <seb128> and we will not need to keep it next cycle if that's done before karmic
[09:16] <seb128> I'm not sure if those libs make sense yet and if something will use those
[09:17] <seb128> ie let's get the new version we can decide on that later
[09:17] <pitti> okay
[09:17] <seb128> robert_ancell: btw you can "sudo dpkg -i totem*2.27*.deb"
[09:17] <seb128> robert_ancell: dpkg doesn't handle things as smartly than apt, sometime you need to run that twice to get things installed
[09:18] <seb128> especially if there is some conflicts, etc
[09:18] <seb128> robert_ancell: I'm build totem from your bzr right now, will let you know in one minute of it works there
[09:18] <robert_ancell> seb128: ok, thanks
[09:18] <seb128> hey sabdfl
[09:19] <robert_ancell> seb128: yes, running dpkg twice seems to have done it.   :P
[09:19] <seb128> mvo: do we need to unregister alternatives in preinst if the previous version had a prerm doing that?
[09:20] <seb128> mvo: ie totem is concerned there
[09:20] <seb128> totem 2.26 had that preinst
[09:20] <seb128> "if [ "$1" = "remove" ] || [ "$1" = "deconfigure" ] ; then
[09:20] <seb128>         update-alternatives --quiet --remove gnome-video-thumbnailer \
[09:20] <seb128>                 /usr/bin/totem-${FLAVOUR}-video-thumbnailer
[09:20] <seb128>         update-alternatives --quiet --remove totem /usr/bin/totem-${FLAVOUR} fi"
[09:20] <seb128> fi"
[09:21] <seb128> if 2.27 drops all update-alternative handling those will be unregistered on upgrade and not registered again which does the job no?
[09:22] <seb128> slomo added a postint to 2.27 in debian doing
[09:22] <seb128> "if [ "$1" = configure ] && dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt "2.27.1-1" ; then
[09:22] <seb128>         update-alternatives --quiet --remove-all gnome-video-thumbnailer
[09:22] <seb128>         update-alternatives --quiet --remove-all totem
[09:22] <seb128> "
[09:22] <seb128> is that required?
[09:22] <lool> mvo: I'm dist upgrading my desktop to karmic, and I don't get the screen-profiles -> byobu issue (aka byobu is properly selected for installation)
[09:22] <asac> crevette: gnome-bluetooth merge ... is that a sync?
[09:23] <seb128> asac, lool, pitti: ^ second opinion welcomed ;-)
[09:23] <lool> I just don't know why it's removing mercurial
[09:23] <asac> lool: python < 2.6
[09:24] <lool> asac: ok, I expected such an issue; thanks
[09:24] <robert_ancell> seb128: the other thing that needs doing is building the new C youtube plugin.  It needs libgdata to build.  I think it was disabled in Debian? (or is being disable because the builddeps aren't there)
[09:24] <pitti> seb128: ugh, TBH I'm not that familiar with alternatives handling, I'm afraid
[09:25] <pochu> seb128: you need it for the Hardy -> $nextlts upgrades, don't you?
[09:25] <asac> seb128: if the prerm was dont correct then preinst shouldnt need to remove it
[09:25] <seb128> robert_ancell: slomo did upload libgdata to debian yesterday, don't build the plugin until we do sync it
[09:25] <asac> s/dont/done/
[09:25] <seb128> doh
[09:26] <lool> seb128: We might not need it, but it might be to force any other alternative to go away
[09:26] <asac> seb128: oh let me reread the example
[09:26] <lool> seb128: e.g. perhaps someone added a third /usr/local/bin/thumbnailer to the alternative?
[09:26] <seb128> is 2.26 preinst triggered when upgrading to 2.27
[09:26] <robert_ancell> seb128: ok, I'm off now.  Feel free to make any progress you want on totem :)
[09:26] <lool> seb128: That's the only thing I can think of; perhaps slomo had another use case
[09:26] <mvo> seb128: the preinst on upgrade is called with "upgrade" so the 2.26 preinst above would not remove the alternative. but the 2.27 should be ok
[09:26] <seb128> robert_ancell: ok, have a good evening, see you tomorrow
[09:27] <seb128> did I already say how much I dislike alternatives? ;-)
[09:27] <mvo> seb128: but I'm not a huge expert for alternatives myself (and I whish they would be declarative :)
[09:27] <asac> ack ;)
[09:27] <robert_ancell> later all
[09:27] <asac> seb128: so is there any --remove in any *rm script in 2.26?
[09:27] <mvo> robert_ancell: do you still need brasero sponsoring?
[09:27] <seb128> the thing is just ridiculously complex and bug prone most of the time
[09:27] <seb128> mvo: pitti is on it apparently, he did a comment about it some minutes ago
[09:28] <pitti> can do it
[09:28] <robert_ancell> mvo: pitti: cheers
[09:28] <crevette> asac, in a sync I guess you don't change something the packaging?
[09:28] <seb128> asac: yes, totem-gstreamer.prerm and totem-xine.prerm both remove themself from the alternative
[09:29] <seb128> but using
[09:29] <seb128> if [ "$1" = "remove" ] || [ "$1" = "deconfigure" ] ; then
[09:29] <seb128> so probably not on upgrade?
[09:29] <pochu> but you won't get those called from hardy upgrades, or am I missing something?
[09:29] <seb128> pochu: why not?
[09:30] <pochu> oh, they were in the hardy packages too?
[09:30] <seb128> yes
[09:30] <pochu> ah ok :)
[09:31] <asac> deconfigure is unclear to me
[09:31] <asac> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html talks about conflicts
[09:32] <asac>     *
[09:32] <asac>       deconfigured's-prerm deconfigure in-favour package-being-installed version [removing conflicting-package version]
[09:32] <asac>     *
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: will you sponsor gdl? you commented on it
[09:32] <pitti> mvo: sponsoring bug 379474 is assigned to you, will you review/upload?
[09:33] <seb128> pitti: yes, did robert_ancell update it? yesterday it was still pending work
[09:33] <pitti> seb128: still pending
[09:33] <seb128> pitti: I will do gdl and anjuta
[09:33] <asac> crevette: are there still changes in packaging that we want to keep for gnome-bluetooth?
[09:34] <crevette> asac, we want to use the notification patch did by canonical from bluez-gnome in gnome-bluetooth
[09:34] <asac> ah ok. then merge yeah
[09:34] <rodrigo_> seb128: was pedro supposed to work this week, or maybe he's got some vacation?
[09:34] <mvo> pitti: I'm looking at it currently
[09:34] <crevette> it is the only patch it remains, before seeing debian did the package I reviewed all the pathces
[09:35] <seb128> rodrigo_: monday was an holiday and he was supposed to work yesterday according to the canonical calendar
[09:35] <seb128> he maybe still got the flu
[09:35] <rodrigo_> yeah, or is quarantining at the airport :)
[09:36] <seb128> it's middle of the night for him, I will try to contact him later if he doesn't show up today
[09:36] <rodrigo_> yeah
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: I don't see a necessary "Replaces:" for brasero (Robert didn't actually split out libbrasero-burn into a separate package), what did you mean?
[09:36] <seb128> pitti: I mean that we can do the update now, if we need to split the library later if will only cost an extra replaces use
[09:37] <seb128> if -> it
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: ah, I see; roger
[09:38] <pitti> libtotem-plparser-dev: Depends: libcamel1.2-dev but it is not going to be installed
[09:38] <pitti> meh
[09:39] <pitti> ah, seems that evolution is i386/amd64 desync
[09:39] <pitti> seb128: ok, will upload brasero later, when this was sorted out
[09:39] <seb128> ok
[09:40] <seb128> it's weird that it's in desync it didn't change recently
[09:40] <pitti> hm, and all built
[09:40] <seb128> pitti: you probably have mix jaunty-proposed and karmic
[09:40] <seb128> the karmic version is older than the jaunty-proposed one
[09:41] <seb128> ie enable jaunty-proposed if you need
[09:41] <seb128> that was not clear, said differently
[09:41] <seb128> are you sure you didn't install libraries for jaunty-proposed and commented the source since?
[09:41] <seb128> which would mean it can't find matching versions in karmic
[09:41] <seb128> just random guess
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: I copied some packages from jaunty-proposed to karmic
[09:44] <pitti> rmadison -s karmic -S evolution-data-server looks okay to me
[09:44] <seb128> now?
[09:45] <pitti> no, days ago
[09:46] <seb128> pitti: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-data-server disagrees
[09:46] <seb128> pitti: and apt-cache policy on my karmic box says it's 2.26.1-0ubuntu1
[09:46] <seb128> where jaunty proposed has 2.26.1-0ubuntu2
[09:46] <pitti> aah, that's not in -updates yet
[09:46]  * pitti copies
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: that had some positive feedback now
[09:47] <seb128> I was just looking to it too
[09:47] <seb128> current comment confirm it's working
[09:48] <seb128> and comment 39 as well
[09:51] <pitti> okay, fixed locally now, thanks
[09:52] <seb128> np ;-)
[10:35] <seb128> pitti: could you push your pessulus upload to bzr and make sure somebody upstream this change?
[10:37] <pitti> seb128: sorry; pushed, and pinged Alessio
[10:37] <seb128> thanks
[14:15] <crevette> yeah http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468690
[14:15] <crevette> I didn't notice I recieved the mail
[14:15] <crevette> good new for gnome-user-share
[14:20]  * SiDi is setting up a spec page for that power information notification stuff.
[14:22]  * pitti packages the new g-p-m
[14:23] <pitti> seb128: ^ ok?
[14:23] <seb128> pitti: sure!
[14:23] <pitti> this will get rid of another item on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
[14:32] <jcastro> seb128: I am going to ask pedro to schedule an empathy hug day asap, alot of these bugs need to be upstreamed, etc.
[14:32] <seb128> jcastro: hey jcastro, have you seen pedro since uds?
[14:32] <jcastro> holiday I think, I've been on holiday too
[14:33] <seb128> canonicaladmin since he was on holidays only monday, not yesterday
[14:33] <seb128> since -> says
[14:34] <jcastro> hmmm
[14:34] <seb128> jcastro: otherwise yes a bug day seems a good idea there
[14:35] <seb128> jcastro: banshee could use a such bugday too
[14:36] <jcastro> seb128: I was thinking of having a bunch for everything new on the desktop
[14:36] <jcastro> seb128: and also like wiki pages for each on progress being made on concerns, etc.
[14:37] <seb128> cool
[14:38] <jcastro> seb128: A bunch of this change is kenvandine's fault, I think he should set it up. :p
[14:38] <seb128> indeed!
[17:15] <seb128> make him do it? ;-)
[17:15]  * seb128 runs
[17:15] <didrocks> ahah
[17:15] <didrocks> let's say that if he doesn't answer, he agrees :)
[17:15] <james_w> no!
[17:16] <didrocks> too late ^^
[17:19] <seb128> didrocks: was worth trying ;-)
[17:19] <didrocks> seb128: I will make him drink tonight, and then, he can't refuse :)
[17:19] <seb128> can't refuse but can't type without typo either? ;-)
[17:20] <didrocks> seb128: :-)
[17:21] <didrocks> seb128: out for now, see you later/tomorrow evening (surely ;))
[17:21] <didrocks> we will have some flamenkuche :)
[17:22] <seb128> didrocks: enjoy!
[17:23] <didrocks> seb128: thanks! Have a good evening.
[17:23] <seb128> thanks
[17:28] <iulian> Am I allowed to sponsor a package if it's maintained in Bazaar and ~ubuntu-desktop is the owner?
[17:29] <iulian> Hmm, well, I believe when the package lands in the archive, the branch should be updated as well.
[17:30] <jpds> iulian: Propose a branch merge into the ~ubuntu-desktop ?
[17:33] <pitti> didrocks: you mean the "ubuntu flu"? developing :(
[17:36] <iulian> jpds: I was looking at bug #375843.  Robert has commit rights but not upload rights, so having that said, I will just have to update the changelog after uploading.
[17:36] <iulian> I mean, to target karmic instead of UNRELEASED.
[17:40]  * iulian is afk for half an hour or so.
[17:40] <iulian> Supper.
[17:41] <jpds> iulian: Yeah, that should be done on upload and then commited.
[17:54] <iulian> jpds: So, I believe in this case the best thing is to upload and let Robert to update the branch in Bazaar, right?
[17:54] <iulian> That's a bit odd though.  I will just let the folks from ~ubuntu-desktop to sponsor.
[17:54] <seb128> what?
[17:58] <iulian> seb128: I was looking at the sponsoring queue and found out that bug #375843 needs a sponsor.  I am not sure what the best thing is to do in this case.  I don't have commit rights so after uploading to ubuntu, the bzr branch should be updated as well.
[17:59] <seb128> iulian: I doubt you will be able to build that until getting the new gdl
[17:59] <seb128> iulian: which I reviewed this morning and still need work
[17:59] <iulian> What do you recommend to someone that doesn't have commit rights but wish to sponsor a package which is maintained in bzr and the owner is ubuntu-desktop?
[17:59] <iulian> seb128: Aha
[18:00] <seb128> iulian: to not bother about bzr, we should not have universe packages there that's an error
[18:01] <iulian> Yea, right.  I was a bit confused.
[18:02]  * iulian goes back to finish his meal.
[18:42] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:45] <SiDi> night pitti
[19:56] <crevette> anyone here ?
[19:57] <seb128> crevette: don't ask to ask just ask?
[19:57] <crevette> hey seb128
[19:57] <seb128> hi crevette
[19:59] <crevette> I wanted to do a merge (didn't do one for a while), should I kept the ubuntu changelog and just and the lasted debian change + my merge, or should I put the debian changelog?
[19:59] <crevette> this is for gnome-bluetooth
[20:00] <crevette> s/and/add/
[20:07] <seb128> crevette: both are fine, we tend to summarize all the changes in the new changelog entry there
[20:07] <seb128> but some people have different workflows
[20:16] <crevette> ah, actually this is not a merge, the packge was not yet published...
[20:17] <crevette> I had the packaging from SVN, is it considered as a merge?
[20:17] <seb128> a merge is taking a debian package and applying ubuntu changes
[20:18] <crevette> I took the packaging from debian SVN following maintainer advice
[20:19] <seb128> crevette: sound a good choice, so just as for a sync or if you have change run dch -i over it and do you change and list those in the changelog
[20:20] <crevette> okay, so this is not a problem. great
[20:20] <seb128> not at all
[20:22] <crevette> can I add to a fork that it fixes LP bug of its ancestor?
[20:30] <crevette> I cannot generate the debdiff between debian and ubuntu dsc
[21:11] <crevette> Laney: hey, I updated the bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/372395
[22:25] <didrocks> pitti: yes, the ubuntu flu. Have some rest :/
[23:58] <bryce> heya robert_ancell
[23:58] <robert_ancell> bryce: hey
[23:59] <robert_ancell> my mouse has stopped working but it's kernel, not X :)
[23:59] <bryce> robert_ancell: btw do you take care of blacklist/unblacklist of chips for compiz?  I think we could probably drop blacklisting for the 3 intel chips


[00:00] <Nostahl> anyone around?
[00:04] <Hipsto1> Nostahl you need to enable it in the video driver
[00:06] <Nostahl> do i have to enable restricted driver?
[00:07] <Hipsto1> I did. but your mileage may vary.
[00:07] <Nostahl> k enabled and restarted computer
[00:08] <Hipsto1> what brand video card are you using?
[00:08] <Nostahl> ati allinwonder 9600 xt pro 128 meg
[00:08] <Nostahl> i get video on the tv from bios post to splash screen great
[00:09] <Nostahl> ah neato
[00:09] <Nostahl> looks like i got video just by enabled restricted driver heh
[00:10] <Nostahl> have you encountered black and white s-video output?
[00:10] <Hipsto1> it may be a little fuzzy
[00:11] <Hipsto1> no
[00:11] <Nostahl> it does it on my laptop for some reason
[00:11] <Nostahl> but my new myth box looks like i got color
[00:11] <Nostahl> hard to tell with the grayscale theme lol
[00:11] <Hipsto1> ):
[00:11] <Nostahl> but just seen colored box pop up as i was typing and i let out a squeek lmao
[00:11] <Hipsto1> :)
[00:11] <Nostahl> i dont do that too many times in my life
[00:12] <Nostahl> yep i got color!
[00:12] <Nostahl> now to see if sound is working
[00:12] <Hipsto1> i like the blue mythtv theme
[00:14] <Nostahl> there we go got resolution all set
[00:14] <Nostahl> tv's lookin smokin! heh
[00:14] <Hipsto1> :)
[00:14] <Nostahl> be neato if my 5.1 surround worked out of the box heh
[00:15] <Hipsto1> whell how is the sound hooked up?
[00:15] <Nostahl> to soundblaster card
[00:17] <Hipsto1> i meant is there a cable for each speaker?
[00:17] <Nostahl> oh
[00:17] <Nostahl> it goes through the sub
[00:17] <Nostahl> and then out 3 cables to the soundcard
[00:17] <Nostahl> green black orange
[00:20] <Nostahl> how well can you play movies through usb?
[00:20] <Nostahl> ie on an external hd
[00:20] <Hipsto1> you may need to adjust the volume for each speaker
[00:20] <Hipsto1> front vs rear
[00:21] <Nostahl> gah i think it locked up?
[00:21] <Hipsto1> give it a minuet
[00:22] <Nostahl> can i play movies from an external hd
[00:23] <Hipsto1> i dont know. in therory usb 2.0 should handle it.
[00:23] <Nostahl> k
[00:23] <Nostahl> i'll let it sit a bit see if it comes through heh
[00:26] <Hipsto1> ok min is up. is it still locked?
[00:26] <Nostahl> yep
[00:27] <Nostahl> just hit ctr alt backspace
[00:28] <Nostahl> i think i forgot to install the codecs lol
[00:28] <Nostahl> gotta take it upstairs to connect to the net
[00:30] <Hipsto1> dont forget to download the tv listings
[00:46] <Hipsto1> help! I cant get /usr/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre to open since the last myth update.
[00:48] <Hipsto1> it asks for my password, then flashes on the screen for less than a second and closes.
[00:48] <tgm4883_laptop> Hipsto1, start it from the command line, see what errors there are
[00:49] <Hipsto1> i did. no errors
[00:49] <tgm4883_laptop> strange
[00:49] <tgm4883_laptop> 32-bit or 64-bit
[00:49] <Hipsto1> 64
[00:49] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[00:49] <hads> Try with sudo
[00:50] <Hipsto1> denny@mythgate:~$ sudo /usr/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre
[00:50] <Hipsto1> [sudo] password for denny:
[00:50] <Hipsto1> Reading package lists... Done
[00:50] <Hipsto1> Building dependency tree
[00:50] <Hipsto1> Reading state information... Done
[00:50] <Hipsto1> Segmentation fault
[00:50] <Hipsto1> denny@mythgate:~$
[00:50] <tgm4883_laptop> what version of mcc do you have installed?
[00:50] <Hipsto1> now theres an error
[00:51] <Hipsto1> how do i tell?
[00:51] <tgm4883_laptop> use synaptic
[00:51] <hads> dpkg -l | grep mythbuntu-control
[00:52] <tgm4883_laptop> ^^ works too
[00:53] <Hipsto1> denny@mythgate:~$ dpkg -l | grep mythbuntu-control
[00:53] <Hipsto1> ii  mythbuntu-control-centre                   0.28-0ubuntu1                                      Mythbuntu Configuration Application
[00:53] <tgm4883_laptop> sec
[00:55] <tgm4883_laptop> Hipsto1, i'm guessing you got that from proposed?
[00:56] <Hipsto1> no proposed is not enabled
[00:57] <tgm4883_laptop> where did you get it from then?
[00:58] <Hipsto1> update manager :-$
[00:58] <tgm4883_laptop> do you have the ppa enabled?
[00:59] <Hipsto1> ppa?
[00:59] <rhpot1991> pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:59] <rhpot1991> !pastebin | Hipsto1
[00:59] <Zinn> Hipsto1: pastebin - Please use paste.ubuntu.com for all configs or multiple line output
[01:00] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[01:00] <Hipsto1> wait
[01:01]  * tgm4883_laptop is leaving for dinner in 2 minutes
[01:01]  * rhpot1991 is leaving for tv in -2 minutes
[01:01] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, does that mean your already watching tv for 2 minutes?
[01:01] <rhpot1991> its on, just waiting for my wife to show back up with the dogs
[01:02] <Hipsto1> # deb cdrom:[Mythbuntu 8.04 amd64]/ hardy main restricted universe
[01:02] <Hipsto1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse
[01:02] <Hipsto1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[01:02] <Hipsto1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[01:02] <Hipsto1> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[01:02] <Hipsto1> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy universe multiverse main restricted
[01:02] <Hipsto1> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[01:02] <Hipsto1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-backports restricted main multiverse universe
[01:02] <Hipsto1> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-backports restricted main multiverse universe
[01:02] <rhpot1991> pastebin that
[01:02] <Hipsto1> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free
[01:02] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, that should be in a pastebin
[01:02] <tgm4883_laptop> please don't dod that
[01:02] <tgm4883_laptop> on the other hand, i still don't know where you got it from
[01:03] <tgm4883_laptop> actually i take that back
[01:03] <rhpot1991> 0.27-0ubuntu1
[01:03] <rhpot1991> is my hardy
[01:04] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, sec
[01:04] <tgm4883_laptop> .28's in there since the 3rd
[01:04] <tgm4883_laptop> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mythbuntu-control-centre/
[01:05] <rhpot1991> I wonder why I don't have it yet
[01:05] <tgm4883_laptop> i don't have it either
[01:05]  * tgm4883_laptop jabs superm1 with a poking stick
[01:06] <Hipsto1> ok is in pastebin
[01:06] <rhpot1991> ok leaving now
[01:07] <Hipsto1> may be a good thing you dont have it yet. since its giving me problems
[01:08] <tgm4883_laptop> Hipsto1, I'll be back later to troubleshoot some more.  If you need MCC now, I'd recommend using synapic and forcing .27
[01:08] <Hipsto1> :-/
[01:17] <Hipsto1> so what was the pastebin for?
[01:20] <Hipsto1> hello! anybody else here?
[02:19] <kirkland> superm1: ping
[02:20] <kirkland> superm1: I downloaded the mythbuntu iso to test; its md5sum looks good, but I can't for the life of me get it to burn cleanly.  it's failed for me 8 different times, on 3 different cd burners, in both k3b and brasero :-/
[02:20]  * kirkland wonders if he has a bad batch of media....
[02:24] <Nostahl> hi all
[02:24] <Nostahl> trying to play dvd for the first time but its choppy
[02:24] <Nostahl> can someone point me to a link where i can fix this
[02:26] <kirkland> superm1: okay, nevermind... bad media it is...  i have a spindle of 100 evidently worthless cdr's...  i burned to a dvd and it checks out fine
[02:26] <hads> Bummer
[02:26] <Nostahl> how do i fix choppy dvd playback?
[02:29] <kirkland> Nostahl: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html?cx=003883529982892832976%3Aly2fmeg302s&cof=FORID%3A9&q=choppy+dvd+playback&sa=Search
[02:29] <kirkland> Nostahl: a number of hits there
[02:29] <kirkland> Nostahl: i'd start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[02:29] <kirkland> Nostahl: see the trouble shooting section
[02:30] <kirkland>     *
[02:30] <kirkland>       Jerky Playback
[02:30] <kirkland>           o
[02:30] <kirkland>             If DVD playback is noticeably choppy or burning a CD/DVD is slower than it should be, then you may need to enable DMA transfer for the DVD drive. See the DMA (Direct Memory Access) page for details.
[02:31] <Nostahl> k
[02:31] <Nostahl> quick question to get me goin
[02:32] <Nostahl> whats easyest way to find out what my rom is labled as ie hdc sda that type of thing
[02:39] <Nostahl> k its sayin Hdio_set_dma failed : inappropriate ioctl for device
[02:44] <tgm4883_laptop> Hipsto1, the pastebin was so you don't flood the channel
[03:17] <frozenskunk> Hello all! Can someone help me out getting my CommandIR working with mythbuntu 8.04? I had it working fine with 7.10 and when I upgraded it (among other things) stopped working. I have tried just about everything that I have found online, and think that I may have a problem with my hardware.conf file, but don't know for sure. It seems like it has been ridiculously difficult when the command IR site says it should 'just work', s
[03:28] <killerbeesateme> would anyone be able to help me troubleshoot a connection to a remote mysql server issue?  I've already verified permissions, checked my configs, and i get a success in the mythbuntu config app
[03:29] <frozenskunk> I don't know if I can help, but I had an issue like that once. did you make sure to change the config ip from <IP_ADDRESS> to whatever your actual ip is?
[03:30] <killerbeesateme> yea, i've got the bind address on the server set to the external IP, and in the program itself it's registering the correct remote server IP
[03:30] <killerbeesateme> permissions are set to allow the mythtv user connection from the host, and I manually checked the mysql.txt file in ~/mythtv/
[03:31] <frozenskunk> did you set the ip in the myth config also, not just the mysql?
[03:31] <frozenskunk> That was where I went wrong
[03:31] <killerbeesateme> yea, the frontend config is looking good
[03:31] <tgm4883_laptop> Hipsto1, ping
[03:31] <frozenskunk> Well, that's the extent of my knowledge on that one... Sorry.
[03:32] <frozenskunk> Don't suppose you know about getting a CommandIR to work with 8.04?
[03:33] <killerbeesateme> i don't actually.  my LIRC skills aren't going so well either.  i've can't seem to get my Hauppauge PVR150 blaster working on my Dish Network box either
[03:33] <ShiftyPowers> anyone know how why i have an extra encoder when i go to mythweb?
[03:33] <ShiftyPowers> i have 3 encoders but only 2 capture cards in my system
[03:33] <Egghead2> problem playing music from mythweb when i password secure it, plays mp3s fine without password, any ideas on what to try?
[03:35] <Egghead2> killerbeesateme, is your blaster led blinking? if so then its just probably the remote code
[03:36] <Nostahl> hrmm my am i not getting sound playing a video but i did when i was in dvd:rip ?
[03:36] <killerbeesateme> i can get it to blink via the command line, but past that i'm not getting anything during actual use
[03:37] <frozenskunk> I had it working just fine for a long time under 7.10, but the 8.04 upgrade killed it, and I can't figure it out for the life of me.
[03:37] <Egghead2> kellerbeez8u, hmmm it doest change chnls when whatching tv, but will chnge chnls via irsend?
[03:38] <Egghead2> doesnt
[03:38] <killerbeesateme> I haven't played with it for a week, but if i remember correctly it didn't change the channels, but it did actually blink while using the command line
[03:38] <killerbeesateme> using irsend
[03:39] <Egghead2> ahh then probably remote code, i might have corrct code, what ird do u have?
[03:40] <killerbeesateme> ird?
[03:40] <Egghead2> receiver
[03:40] <Egghead2> ie 2700, 2800, 3800
[03:40] <Nostahl> anyone available to help me get sound up
[03:40] <killerbeesateme> 301 i believe
[03:40] <killerbeesateme> sorry i'm not in front of it right now
[03:41] <Egghead2> ahhh no problem
[03:41] <Egghead2> i had a hella time finding right code to work with my dishnet 2800 and the haupauge pvr150
[03:42] <frozenskunk> Egghead2: Can you give me a hand figuring my commandIR out when you get done with helping killerbeesatme?
[03:42] <Egghead2> oh well i dont think 2800 is same as 301
[03:43] <frozenskunk> killerbeesateme: Did you try the config ulitity from CommandIR? That worked fomr setting up my hauppage with my dish receivers. http://lircconfig.commandir.com/
[03:43] <frozenskunk> Under 7.10 anyway...
[03:44] <Egghead2> killer, i finally gave up on the pvr150 blaster and solder to gether a simple serial blaster, worked like a charm, if you can solder and have an old remote control for the led, i recomend going that direction
[03:44] <Egghead2> imho
[03:44] <Egghead2> :)
[03:44] <Egghead2> frozen, sure
[03:44] <Egghead2> if i can, kinda a newb myself :)
[03:46] <frozenskunk> Thanks, I had everything working just fine with 7.10, the upgrade to 8.04 killed my remote commands, I have reinstalled 8.04 from scratch to make sure I didn't have any files that just didn't get upgraded correctly. According to the commandIR website, 8.04 shold pretty much 'just work', so I think I'm missing something
[03:46] <killerbeesateme> Egghead, thanks for the idea.
[03:47] <Egghead2> kilerr, no problem, had alot of issues with pvr blaster, been there myself
[03:47] <Egghead2> frozen, what remote and lirc setup
[03:47] <killerbeesateme> i'm ready to freak out at this frontend though.  i can do a command line client and connect to the stupid database, i can see the ports are open to the database, mythbuntu config says Success to the database, and mythfrontend has just decided it doesn't want to be my buddy
[03:48] <frozenskunk> I have tried all sorts of stuff, I can see input with mode2, but can't get irw going to check it, or see lircd running, I may have a problem with hardware.conf, but I'm not sure of anything
[03:49] <frozenskunk> I'm using a hauppage remote that came with my -350, It's the grey 'dog-bone' A-something part number
[03:49] <Egghead2> frozen have u tried purging the lirc? and install again?
[03:50] <frozenskunk> no, just do sudo apt-get purge lirc?
[03:50] <Egghead2> u said irw doesnt work right?
[03:50] <Egghead2> yes
[03:51] <frozenskunk> yeah, can't get irw going, everything I see online tells me to check /proc/bus/input/devices to get the remote number, but I don't see anything there
[03:51] <Egghead2> killer, when front end starts up it barks about not being able to connect to be?
[03:52] <Egghead2> frozen, is /dev/lirc0 there?
[03:52] <frozenskunk> and in hardware.conf my REMOTE DRIVER="'
[03:52] <frozenskunk> no, for some strange reason I don't have a /dev/lirc0, I have a /dev/lirc1, which is what I have to use for mode2 to show me the raw data
[03:52] <Egghead2> frozen, apt-get purge lirc, then delete /etc/lirc or anythting in it
[03:53] <Egghead2> hmmm, not sure maybe your is on lirc1
[03:53] <frozenskunk> oh, and when I try to start the lircd it fails.
[03:53] <Egghead2> i think u can try irw /dev/lirc1
[03:54] <Egghead2> u did a /etc/init.d/lirc and it pukes?
[03:54] <frozenskunk> Yeah, I tried that with irw, I have just lived with the lirc1 and forced that as an option when needed
[03:54] <Egghead2> u did a /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[03:54] <frozenskunk> didn't restart, let me try that
[03:54] <Egghead2> yea it sounds hoosed, purge and reinstall
[03:55] <killerbeesateme> Egghead, it doesn't bark until i try to enter any of the menu items
[03:56] <killerbeesateme> Egghead, i ran it from the command line and it's saying the backend server is listed as localhost...so now i'm on a config file hunt to find out where to set that...any idea?
[03:57] <Egghead2> im no, but when u run mythsetup is the ip addys <IP_ADDRESS> or the 192.168.x.x?
[03:58] <frozenskunk> well, after the restart, irw seems to run, but don't see any input from the remote, let me play with this for a minute
[03:58] <Egghead2> frozen
[03:59] <Egghead2> im not sur eif its a problem, but the remote include files in lirc.conf didnt work so great for me...
[03:59] <Egghead2> so if you have a copy of the old files used in 7.01 use then and rem out the include files
[04:00] <Egghead2> or failing that, go to the include file, haupauge something or other and grab only the remote u need from that file and add that to the /etc/lirc/lirc.conf file
[04:01] <Egghead2> ie pvr_350 i think its called
[04:02] <killerbeesateme> egghead, this may be a stupid question, but i'm trying to run only a frontend, do i need to install a backend?  it doesn't give me a mythsetup option, and the only way to do that is to install the full mythtv package
[04:02] <frozenskunk> no, don't have the old ones, they were overwritten by the 8.04 upgrade :-( I have new ones from the same place I got the old ones.
[04:02] <Egghead2> killer, yes, either on same puter sa fe or on a remote computer
[04:02] <Egghead2> but yes u do
[04:03] <frozenskunk> Doesn't seem like those are my problem yet, since I can't run irw. I think anywat.
[04:03] <Egghead2> frozen, hang on a sec ill find the location
[04:05] <frozenskunk> ok, I I'm thinking that it's my hardware.conf file. I don't have a remote listed there it seems.
[04:07] <Egghead2> look in /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge, grab the entire remote haupauge 350 and then add it to /etc/lirc/lirc.conf, and comment out the include file
[04:07] <Egghead2> then u have to run the lirc generator
[04:07] <frozenskunk> ok, comment out which include file?
[04:07] <Egghead2> and u should be good to gooo
[04:08] <Egghead2> at the top of /etc/lirc/lirc.conf u will see a line that starts with include
[04:08] <Egghead2> put a # infront of it
[04:09] <frozenskunk> ok, I was in the wrong file (hardware.conf)
[04:09] <Egghead2> kiler,u dont have a backend anywhere?
[04:10] <Egghead2> frozen sounds like hardware is working, so its sounds like remote is config correctly
[04:11] <frozenskunk> yeah, thats what I thought since I could see the mode2 data... should that be lircd.conf instead of lirc.conf?
[04:12] <Egghead2> no after u mod lirc.conf, well runn a script to generate the lircd.conf
[04:12] <frozenskunk> ok, I don't have a lirc.conf file
[04:12] <frozenskunk> there is an include statement in the lircd.conf file
[04:12] <Egghead2> in /etc/lirc?
[04:13] <Egghead2> oops sorry ur right
[04:13] <Egghead2> lircd.conf
[04:13] <frozenskunk> yeah /etc/lirc has hardware.conf lircd.conf lircmd.conf harware.conf.old lircd.conf.dpkg-old in it
[04:14] <Egghead2> frozen put a # infront of the include file(s) in lircd.conf
[04:17] <Egghead2> then open http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/22503/ and copy/paste into the lircd.conf file
[04:17] <Egghead2> then run sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-lirc-generator as whatever user myth starts up as
[04:19] <frozenskunk> ok, I was trying to copy the file out of the /usr/share/ directory you sent, should I use the pastebin instead?
[04:20] <Egghead2> yes
[04:20] <Egghead2> i just made it alittle easier for ya :)
[04:20] <frozenskunk> i like easy! ;-)
[04:22] <Egghead2> after u run lirc generator get out of mythfrontend and the restart the frontend
[04:22] <Egghead2> and with any luck ur remote should work
[04:24] <frozenskunk> ok , the apt-get says I have the most current version of gneraotr
[04:24] <Egghead2> oops just run it, my bad , mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[04:25] <frozenskunk> ok, did that, it told me I have a .lircrc file now, where shoudl I move it? or di I have to?
[04:25] <Egghead2> ummm u should need to
[04:25] <Egghead2> are u loged in as root?
[04:25] <frozenskunk> no, as my user
[04:26] <frozenskunk> didn't sudo the command
[04:26] <frozenskunk> the 'normal' user that is, the one that will be running everythign
[04:26] <Egghead2> ok then just restart the front end and press some remote keys
[04:26] <Egghead2> yea the user mythstars as?
[04:26] <frozenskunk> yes
[04:26] <Egghead2> oops the user myth starts as
[04:27] <Egghead2> exit out of the front end
[04:27] <Egghead2> then restart the front end
[04:27] <Egghead2> or run /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[04:28] <frozenskunk> wasn't in the frontend when I did that, but when I strated it, it still won't work :-(
[04:28] <frozenskunk> do I need to restart lirc?
[04:29] <Egghead2> yea do
[04:29] <Egghead2> or run /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[04:29] <Egghead2> and then run irw in bash
[04:30] <Egghead2> and see if u get anything
[04:31] <frozenskunk> restarted lirc, and ran irw, get nothing...
[04:32] <Egghead2> any errors when restarting lirc?
[04:32] <frozenskunk> no, tells me it stopped, loaded, and started lirc daemon ok
[04:33] <frozenskunk> wait, just saw that it is looking at lirc 0, how do I start lirc to make it look at lirc1?
[04:33] <Egghead2> try irw /dev/lirc1
[04:34] <Egghead2> frozen i dont know how to do that
[04:35] <Egghead2> also i made a mistake, u should run   mythbuntu-lircrc-generator  to generate the files
[04:39] <frozenskunk> yeah, no luck with that either, when I do a ps aux | grep lirc, I see that /usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0, when it should be lirc1, any idea how to change that?
[04:41] <Egghead2> im not sure u can
[04:41] <Egghead2> y do u think it should be lirc1?
[04:41] <frozenskunk> hm.. that's no good. This is the most difficult 'just-works' install I have ever done...
[04:42] <Egghead2> hmmm i donno
[04:42] <frozenskunk> going to have to give up for tonight (yet again)... Thanks for all your help!!! I now know another dozen things that won't make it work...
[04:42] <Egghead2> lol
[04:42] <Egghead2> oh well good luck
[04:42] <Egghead2> try reinstalling
[04:43] <Egghead2> purge then install
[04:43] <Egghead2> it seems that the hardy motto
[04:43] <Egghead2> nite
[04:44] <frozenskunk> will give that a try. I might just try wiping the disc again and going from scratch, maybe I missed something the first time through. I just can't see it being this hard when the documentation says to plug it in, click here, set this, watch tv...
[04:44] <frozenskunk> that must be the 'long term support' they were talking about ;-)
[04:44] <frozenskunk> Thanks again!
[04:44] <Egghead2> np
[04:45] <Egghead2> problem playing music from mythweb when i password secure it, plays mp3s fine without password, any ideas on what to try?
[04:55] <kirkland> superm1: i have not succesfully generated a usb thumbdrive for the diskless client... i was playing with that (unsuccessfully) last weekend
[04:56] <superm1> laga is the one that has done most of the work on that
[04:56] <superm1> so you should pester him tomorrow european time
[04:56] <superm1> and tell him to fix $stuff :)
[04:58] <kirkland> superm1: ;-)  i'll chat with him tomorrow about that, then
[04:59] <kirkland> superm1: i had to upgrade my root disks to 4GB flash, instead of 2GB flash
[04:59] <superm1> just to make the diskless chroot i take it?
[04:59] <kirkland> superm1: oh, no, the machine i'd generate them on has multiple TB
[05:00] <superm1> kirkland, ah
[05:00] <kirkland> superm1: i switched my frontends to amd64, which has larger footprints
[05:00] <superm1> kirkland, by that much though?
[05:00] <superm1> i dont think my frontend takes up more than 2gb
[05:00] <kirkland> superm1: and i figured with intrepid installing "recommends", the install base is going to get bigger
[05:00] <superm1> yeah hopefully we'll trim that down
[05:01] <superm1> well actually my frontend is a bad example, doing 'du' on it will be skewed because i run sbuild on it too now
[05:01] <superm1> it used to be very pristine
[05:05] <Egghead2> superm1, do u know if there is any issues with password protecting mythweb?
[05:07] <superm1> there may be a bug with the scripts for doing it?
[05:07] <superm1> but i wouldnt know it offhand
[05:09] <Egghead2> k thanks
[05:15] <darthanubis> superm1, don't you maintain the myhttv totem plugin?
[05:15]  * superm1 hides
[05:15] <superm1> i packaged it for hardy
[05:15] <darthanubis> lol
[05:15] <superm1> its waiting for some updates in intrepid though
[05:16] <darthanubis> it does not ....oh...work for me. Is it supposed to?
[05:16] <darthanubis>  Or not until the update?
[05:17] <superm1> it should be working
[05:17] <superm1> it's kinda clunky to set up
[05:18] <darthanubis> it seems straight forward to setup
[05:18] <darthanubis> enaable the plugin
[05:18] <darthanubis> done right?
[05:18] <darthanubis> it loads mythttv contentt
[05:18] <superm1> well you need to go into gconf-editor
[05:18] <superm1> and turn on the right info there
[05:18] <darthanubis> but errors 3111 on the play
[05:18] <darthanubis> I did that already
[05:19] <darthanubis> its enabled
[05:19] <superm1> oh so it lists the shows
[05:19] <superm1> just doesnt play them for you
[05:19] <darthanubis> but it just does not paly
[05:19] <superm1> did it ever and just stop?
[05:19] <darthanubis> right
[05:19] <superm1> or never worked
[05:19] <darthanubis> never
[05:19] <darthanubis> I thought it was a cool feature
[05:19] <darthanubis> but never been able to see it worked
[05:19] <darthanubis> I have since wondered has anyone seen it work
[05:20] <superm1> okay so do you currently have any remote frontends?
[05:20] <darthanubis> no
[05:22] <superm1> okay then that might be your issue....
[05:22] <superm1> if you go into mythtv-setup
[05:22] <superm1> make sure that yo uare listing your network adapter's IP in both boxes for general
[05:23] <darthanubis> will do, but it says not content in stream or somethign like that
[05:23] <superm1> yeah, everything streams from the backend
[05:23] <superm1> so if the backend isn't actually broadcasting on the right ip
[05:23] <darthanubis> let me check it
[05:23] <superm1> (it defaults to <IP_ADDRESS>)
[05:24] <darthanubis> pretty sure its set to the ip address of the backend and not localhost
[05:26] <darthanubis> ok so the address was wrong
[05:26] <darthanubis> it was set to the routers address
[05:27] <superm1> :)
[05:27] <darthanubis> :)
[05:27] <darthanubis> now the moment of truth
[05:31] <darthanubis> Stream contains no data.
[05:31] <darthanubis> :(
[05:31] <darthanubis> I should restart the backend
[05:32] <darthanubis> but I thought mythtv-setupdpes that for me\
[05:32] <superm1> mythtv-setup should do it for you
[05:33] <superm1> as long as you didn't launch via mythtv-setup.real directly
[05:33] <darthanubis> then I'm back to square 1
[05:34] <superm1> well have you started totem again since yo udid this
[05:34] <superm1> or that same run
[05:41] <darthanubis> this is maddening
[05:41] <darthanubis> when things only reak for ne
[05:45] <superm1> well it's gotta be something else silly likely
[05:46] <superm1> i'd recommend setting up a remote frontend if you can, and ensuring you can get that to work first
[05:46] <darthanubis> I try to catch  you
[05:46] <superm1> it provides a significant more debug info amount
[05:46] <darthanubis> will do
[05:46] <superm1> even doing it off a live cd
[05:46] <superm1> if you dont want to install the remote frontend
[05:46] <superm1> mythbuntu 8.04 can run frontend on live disk
[05:46] <darthanubis> gotta sleep, I have one
[05:46] <superm1> okay
[05:46] <superm1> night
[05:46] <darthanubis> just not active
[05:46] <darthanubis> night
[06:56] <Hipsto3> help i keep getting a Segmentation fault when i run mythbuntu-control-centre
[07:01] <Hipsto3> i left and yet here i am
[07:02] <Hipsto3> tgm4883 ping
[07:19] <tgm4883> Hipsto3, does reverting to .27 remedy the problem?
[07:19] <tgm4883> i'm going to bed so if it fixes it, we need to know
[07:19] <Hipsto3> havnt tried that yet
[07:20] <Hipsto3> afraid to break dependency
[07:20] <tgm4883> what dependency would you break?
[07:22] <Hipsto3> dunno synaptic just gives a generic warning it may break dependency
[07:22] <tgm4883> by forcing the old version?
[07:23] <Hipsto3> yes
[07:24] <tgm4883> well i'll manually install it tomarrow and see if I can reproduce the error, then see what happens when reverting
[07:24] <tgm4883> i'm on the US west coast, so i'll probably do it around 9:00 my time.  So in about 9.5 hours
[07:25] <Hipsto3> "If you force a different version from the default one, errors in the dependancy handeling can occur."
[07:27] <tgm4883> ah
[07:27] <tgm4883> I myself wouldn't worry about that, but I like to break things so YMMV
[07:27] <Hipsto3> am in phoenix so same timezone
[07:28] <Hipsto3> eh I'll try and force it
[07:29] <tgm4883> alright, well i'm going to bed, so report back soon
[07:32] <Hipsto3> nope didnt work still get Segmentation fault
[07:34] <Hipsto3> :-(
[08:25] <laga> kirkland: yeah, let me know about your problems with -diskless.
[08:26] <laga> kirkland: i'll be back in 4-5hours
[10:35] <Mammoth> Hi all, I have a Mythbuntu setup with diskless frontends. The server is placed in the cellar, and i would like to place my frontends in the attic. Is there a  universal RemoteControl that can control both my MythTV frontends (via RF, Bluetooth, WIFI, ?) and my TV, Receiver, Xbox360 via IR?
[11:09] <tplague> ir dont think has enough range from celler to attick
[11:09] <tplague> not sure if there is a rf/ir remote
[11:16] <Mammoth> I only need to be able to control my frontends. Logitech Harmony 895 uses both IR and RF - but it has it's own extender. If I have more than 1 frontend, would it then be possible to differenciate the signal (not controlling all everytime i click the remote) ?
[11:20] <Mammoth> I would like to be able to power-on, control and power-off the frontends.
[11:20] <tplague> shoot you know more on the sibgect then i do ..lol i didnt even know they had dual RF/IR remote ...lol
[11:23] <Mammoth> :-) - i have really been looking for a remote that could meet my needs, but I haven't been able to find one :-(. here are my findings uptill now...
[11:24] <Mammoth> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Logitech_UltraX_Media_Remote
[11:24] <Mammoth> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythcontrol/
[11:24] <Mammoth> http://netti.nic.fi/~icewood/mythetomer/index.php
[11:33] <Mammoth> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=us,en?WT.ac=mb|4527||hp
[11:38] <Mammoth> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/universal_remotes/devices/374&cl=us,en / http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/universal_remotes/devices/374&cl=dk,da
[11:40] <Mammoth> I think my best bet is going for the Harmony 890/895 with multiple extenders... Is this supported in Mythbuntu 8.10 ?
[11:42] <Mammoth> is it possible to power-on / power-off frontends via the extender ?
[11:44] <Mammoth> sorry 8.04 :-)
[14:47] <Mammoth> I have posted my question here if anyone knowns how to do this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839270
[19:14] <MythbuntuGuest53> hello
[19:17] <MythbuntuGuest53> I know my tuner cards work, because I can record TV from the command line using cat /dev/video0 > tmp/test.mpg* and watch it with mplayer.
[19:18] <MythbuntuGuest53> However, when I try to 'Watch TV' in the Mythbuntu frontend, it blanks for a second before returning to the main menu.
[19:19] <MythbuntuGuest53> Let me know if you have an idea on what to do or what information you'd like.
[19:19] <MythbuntuGuest53> Thanks for your time.
[19:26] <jphillip> MythbuntuGuest53 it would help if you told everyone what kind of tuner you have
[19:27] <MythbuntuGuest53> Oh, I'm sorry.
[19:27] <MythbuntuGuest53> I'm using 2 Hauppage PVR-150's.
[19:28] <MythbuntuGuest53> The video card is a 6600 GT AGP NVidia card.
[19:31] <jphillip> did you check your logs for anything in there?
[19:32] <MythbuntuGuest53> Give me a couple minutes and I'll give you the exact text, but if I remember correctly they said something about failing to switch to TV watching.
[19:32] <MythbuntuGuest53> Wow, that's really vague.
[19:32] <MythbuntuGuest53> Let me get the actual log.
[19:34] <MythbuntuGuest53> Sorry for the wait, I'm connecting a monitor instead of the TV so I can actually read the stuff.
[19:40] <jphillip> MythbuntuGuest53 you should just ssh into it if you can
[19:40] <jphillip> !logs | MythbuntuGuest53
[19:40] <Zinn> MythbuntuGuest53: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/
[19:43] <MrChapendi> hey, this is mythbuntuguest53 from the actual mytbuntu box.
[19:43] <jphillip> hey
[19:44] <MrChapendi> ok, here seems to be a problematic excerpt from the log
[19:44] <jphillip> !pastebin | MrChapendi
[19:44] <Zinn> MrChapendi: Please use paste.ubuntu.com for all configs or multiple line output, pastebin is preferred for large amounts of output as it cuts down on spamming multiple lines.
[19:45] <MrChapendi> I'm new to IRC, could you walk me through that?
[19:45] <jphillip> open paste.ubuntu.com in your web browser, paste things in there then send us the link to it when youa re done
[19:45] <MrChapendi> k
[19:46] <MrChapendi> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/22673/
[19:46] <MrChapendi> sorry about that
[19:47] <jphillip> don't put recording in your home dir
[19:47] <jphillip> can run into some pesky permission problems that way
[19:47] <MrChapendi> Where is the default location?
[19:47] <jphillip> let me double check, as I don't use the default
[19:47] <MrChapendi> k
[19:48] <MrChapendi> Would a bad recording location cause my problem?
[19:48] <jphillip>  /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[19:48] <jphillip> MrChapendi it looks like it can't create the recording, sounds like your problem
[19:49] <MrChapendi> Let me change it to the default and test.
[19:50] <MrChapendi> Thank you!  I get TV now.
[19:50] <MrChapendi> I appreciate the help immensely.
[19:50] <MrChapendi> Out of curiosity, where do your recordings go jphillip?
[20:03] <MrChapendi> i'm just curious because i'll be getting a new harddrive for my box later and i'm wondering how settinng up a harddrive as a dedicated recording drive works
[20:05] <jphillip> MrChapendi I have a /mythtv folder that I keep things in
[20:05] <jphillip> mainly left over from my days of using LVM
[20:05] <MythbuntuGuest53> Isn't that a kind of software RAID utility?
[20:05] <jphillip> also no problem on the help, glad it worked
[20:05] <MythbuntuGuest53> Thanks again!
[20:06] <jphillip> it lets you join multiple drives together and so on
[20:06] <jphillip> its neat, but no longer needed with the fancy storage groups we have now
[20:06] <MythbuntuGuest53> My next task is to get the box set up as a fileserver as well...
[20:07] <MythbuntuGuest53> I have little experience with that, but there's only one way to get it
[20:09] <MythbuntuGuest53> Is it possible to run a Myth frontend on a Mac?
[20:12] <jphillip> it used to be, check wiki.mythtv.org
[20:13] <MythbuntuGuest53> i will
[20:13] <MythbuntuGuest53> thanks for a third time, i really appreciate it
[20:13] <MythbuntuGuest53> off to configure
[20:13] <MythbuntuGuest53> bye
[23:03] <DrMoss> Hi, I have trouble with installing Mythbuntu.  I get the "initramfs" prompt
[23:04] <DrMoss> I read on several forums different ideas, but I can't seem to get a solution.
[23:04] <Nostahl> hi all
[23:05] <Nostahl> i got an ir receiver usb and a remote from a hp laptop
[23:05] <DrMoss> I used an iso, and then changed the boot option, deleting "quiet splash",...
[23:05] <Nostahl> as well as the pcmcia tuner card too that goes with it
[23:05] <DrMoss> and adding "all_generic_ide".
[23:05] <Nostahl> what is needed to start using the remote and ir receiver with my mythbuntu system
[23:05] <DrMoss> It then installs.
[23:06] <DrMoss> But upon reboot, hangs on the Mythbuntu startup screen...
[23:06] <DrMoss> and then after 5 minutes, back to the 'initramfs' prompt..!
[23:06] <DrMoss> Any ideas anyone??!
[23:07] <Nostahl> hey drmoss
[23:08] <DrMoss> yes?
[23:09] <Nostahl> how tuff is it to setup a usb remote
[23:09] <DrMoss> Sorry - no idea.  I was explaining something I was trying to do when you came onboard, so my post isn't releated to your new usb reciever sorry!
[23:10] <Nostahl> what kind of hardware are you setting up
[23:11] <DrMoss> I've just bought new kit, and trying to install Mythbuntu.  I'm a newbie!
[23:11] <DrMoss> From what I've read, I might have trouble because I'm using a...
[23:11] <DrMoss> Seagate HDD... and a blu-ray optical drive.


[01:50] <obx> this is the 3rd time an update to the Linux kernel messed up either Xorg or my video card driver. I filed a bug report for both of the first bugs and it took several months to fix it, although many people reported the same bug. and now, after the recent update, I had to reinstall the graphic card drivers and xorg is eating up CPU again. serious question: is it so hard to get it right before officially releasing an update and not beta test it on
[01:50] <obx>  the user base?
[01:50] <ravenxbishop1> hello
[01:51] <ravenxbishop1> any chance anyone in here can point me in a direction for help in porting drivers?
[01:51] <ravenxbishop1> maybe to someone who is amaising at it
[01:51] <ravenxbishop1> or maybe just a great developer
[01:51] <ravenxbishop1> i promise there IS no port of this driver, im not just over looking something thats allready done
[01:55] <jmarsden> ravenxbishop1: The Kernel Driver Project.  See http://www.linuxdriverproject.org/foswiki/bin/view
[01:59] <ravenxbishop1> thanks i'll check it out
[02:01] <Keybuk> I'm not sure you can really "port" a driver though
[02:01] <ravenxbishop1> oh that wont work tho
[02:01] <ravenxbishop1> because theres no specs
[02:01] <ravenxbishop1> and no way to get them
[02:02] <Keybuk> if you don't have the specs, how do you know how to write a driver?
[02:02] <ravenxbishop1> well, its called reverse engineering
[02:02] <Keybuk> so do that
[02:02] <Keybuk> then write the spec as a result
[02:02] <Keybuk> then write the driver
[02:02] <ravenxbishop1> nod i need someone who is good at it
[02:02] <ravenxbishop1> i didnt say I WAS
[02:03] <ion> What does *he* need *you* for? :-P
[02:03] <ravenxbishop1> depends, he doesnt actually, but it could be something we both want to do for any number of reasons
[02:03] <ravenxbishop1> why so much animosity?
[02:04] <Keybuk> there's no animosity
[02:04] <ravenxbishop1> well ion sounded... uhm
[02:04] <ravenxbishop1> mean
[02:04] <ravenxbishop1> i just want some help, so i can use linux
[02:04] <Keybuk> sure, but writing a driver is *hard*
[02:04] <ravenxbishop1> and i dont really know where to start
[02:04] <ravenxbishop1> sure it is
[02:05] <Keybuk> the people who can do it are already hard at work writing drivers
[02:05] <Keybuk> and it's still hard even if you've got the full specs
[02:05] <ravenxbishop1> oh, so im out of luck?
[02:05] <ravenxbishop1> and i cant get any help
[02:05] <ravenxbishop1> and i should just give up?
[02:05] <Keybuk> what's the device?
[02:05] <ion> It’s easy to interpret tones incorrectly on IRC. I wasn’t being hostile.
[02:05] <ravenxbishop1> its a sound card
[02:05] <ravenxbishop1> a professional sound card
[02:06] <Keybuk> and there's no extant driver for the sound card?
[02:06] <Keybuk> your best bet is to find someone in the ALSA project
[02:06] <Keybuk> bribing them by sending them the sound card and letting them keep it often works
[02:06] <ravenxbishop1> i see no indication that there is any way to get it working in linux
[02:06] <Keybuk> especially if it's a good one
[02:07] <ravenxbishop1> well then i wouldnt have it :)
[02:07] <Keybuk> if you gave us the model name/number/etc. I could actually look it up for you
[02:07] <ravenxbishop1> AArdvark q10
[02:07] <Keybuk> ravenxbishop1: they can't write drivers blind ;)
[02:07] <ravenxbishop1> of course not
[02:07] <ravenxbishop1> i didnt think they could
[02:08] <Keybuk> that's what ion meant
[02:08] <Keybuk> unless there's something in it for them (e.g. getting a neat sound card) a developer is unlikely to be interested
[02:09] <Keybuk> since they're probably doing linux in their spare time
[02:09] <ravenxbishop1> but that cant be negotiated with you
[02:09] <ravenxbishop1> becuase you cant do the job
[02:09] <ravenxbishop1> i didnt ask anyone here, to do it
[02:09] <ravenxbishop1> i asked to be directed to someone who might be able to
[02:09] <ravenxbishop1> and instead
[02:10] <Keybuk> sure, and we've told you the two groups ;)
[02:10] <Keybuk> Linux Driver Project and the ALSA Project
[02:10] <ravenxbishop1> i saw one
[02:10] <ravenxbishop1> ah
[02:10] <ravenxbishop1> alsa
[02:10] <ravenxbishop1> so they work without specs?
[02:10] <Keybuk> no
[02:10] <ravenxbishop1> because the first says "dont bother asking"
[02:10] <Keybuk> they *might* work without specs and with the card
[02:10] <Keybuk> (ALSA might)
[02:10] <Keybuk> but you're basically asking for a year or two's work
[02:10] <ravenxbishop1> well, maybe
[02:11] <ravenxbishop1> typically speaking, if i can get in touch with the right person
[02:11] <ravenxbishop1> i can make things happen
[02:11] <Keybuk> another good bet is to speak to the manufacturer and try and persuade them that it's in their interests to assist in writing a linux driver
[02:11] <Keybuk> e.g. by giving the LDP the specs
[02:11] <ravenxbishop1> thats impos
[02:11] <Keybuk> why?
[02:11] <ravenxbishop1> because it isnt something that can be done
[02:11] <Keybuk> we've got specs out of *NVIDIA*, anything is possible
[02:12] <Keybuk> of course it is
[02:12] <ravenxbishop1> well, no, its not
[02:12] <ravenxbishop1> i can get specs from nvidia
[02:12] <ravenxbishop1> but i cant get them from aardvark
[02:12] <Keybuk> if everyone returned their Q10 cards, because they didn't have linux drivers, and nobody bought them, then they'd pony up the specs pretty quick :p
[02:12] <ravenxbishop1> well
[02:12] <ion> If you can get in touch with the right person with Aardvark, you can make things happen. :-P
[02:12] <ravenxbishop1> there would be no where to return them to
[02:12] <Keybuk> so the company who makes the device has gone bust?
[02:12] <jmarsden> I think the Q10 is already a discontinued product... ?
[02:13] <ravenxbishop1> sort of went bust
[02:13] <Keybuk> being realistic, I suspect your chances of getting a driver are basically zero
[02:13] <Keybuk> especially if it's not a production device anymore
[02:13] <ravenxbishop1> the company is closed.
[02:13] <ravenxbishop1> theres NO one to contact
[02:13] <ravenxbishop1> and no place to contact them
[02:14] <ravenxbishop1> they didnt fail they were forced out by competition
[02:14] <ravenxbishop1> through an unrelated legal issue with a board member
[02:14] <Keybuk> the competition probably had Linux drivers ;)
[02:14] <ravenxbishop1> no, you dont understand
[02:14] <ravenxbishop1> its alot of irrelivant things to explain
[02:14] <ravenxbishop1> before you would
[02:14] <ravenxbishop1> but something unrelated to the product, closed the company
[02:15] <jmarsden> Bottom line: They aren't likely to sell many more Q10 cards... so the work to create a Linux driver is out of all proportion to the benefit.  Buy a new card.
[02:15] <ravenxbishop1> there IS no new card
[02:15] <ravenxbishop1> it does things other things CANT do
[02:15] <jmarsden> From a different company.
[02:16] <ravenxbishop1> if i spent $10,000 i could get something similer, using more space that still wasnt as good
[02:17] <Keybuk> would you pay someone $10,000 to write a driver for your card?
[02:17] <ravenxbishop1> hrm.
[02:17] <ravenxbishop1> hard to say
[02:18] <Keybuk> though, honestly, I suspect the rate would be more like $100,000
[02:18] <jmarsden> Old ads for it do not seem to proclaim that it does things only $10K cards can do... makes me wonder what these things are and where they are documented...
[02:19] <ravenxbishop1> it was a $1k card
[02:19] <ravenxbishop1> it contains a word clock thats ALSO worth $1k
[02:19] <ravenxbishop1> but it is a clearer card than 10k cards
[02:20] <ravenxbishop1> first try to find a 10 in 10 out card with 8 preamps in BOTH 1/4 inch and xlr.
[02:20] <ravenxbishop1> once you do.
[02:21] <ravenxbishop1> find one that has midi too
[02:21] <ravenxbishop1> and a word clock generator
[02:21] <ravenxbishop1> not just having word clock
[02:21] <ravenxbishop1> but having a generator for it
[02:21] <ravenxbishop1> you still wont have as GOOD of a word clock generator because there ISNT a better one
[02:21] <ravenxbishop1> its EXTREMELY low latency
[02:22] <ravenxbishop1> i get 1ms
[02:22] <Keybuk> sounds like it's missing a key feature though - a driver
[02:22] <ravenxbishop1> it has drivers.
[02:22] <ravenxbishop1> just not one for linux
[02:22] <ravenxbishop1> has osx and windows
[02:22] <jmarsden> Does it have one for FreeBSD?  or OpenSolaris?
[02:22] <ravenxbishop1> shake, osx and windows
[02:23] <ravenxbishop1> and only 32 bit windows
[02:23] <ion> Other professional audio interface manufacturers just don’t bother to use good enough components?
[02:23] <ravenxbishop1> correct
[02:24] <ravenxbishop1> the guy that invented it, is a nasa guy, who is just better than everyone else
[02:24] <ravenxbishop1> igor levin
[02:24] <ravenxbishop1> and so far i'm yet to get any contact with him
[02:24] <ravenxbishop1> tho i've had ... really important people try
[02:24] <ravenxbishop1> people just dont FIND him
[02:25] <ravenxbishop1> for instance... we've called "antalope audio" quite a bit, no one ever answers the phone the website stays up, but i cant imagine they do much business when they never pick up
[02:27] <ravenxbishop1> if i had one of the cards sooner i probably would have GOTTEN the source when they closed down
[02:27] <ravenxbishop1> i have a tendancy to do things like that
[02:28] <ion> I guess the fact i demand less from my gear makes my life easier. :-)
[02:28] <ravenxbishop1> it seems like walking me through a clean room reverse engineering process wouldnt take too much time or resources. but i'd have to know the right linux developer. it doesnt seem like THAT person hangs out in here
[02:28] <ravenxbishop1> thats probably true
[02:29] <ravenxbishop1> maudio has linux drivers but their cards are shit
[02:29] <Keybuk> ravenxbishop1: usually the approach is debug the windows driver
[02:29] <Keybuk> send commands, intercept the pci stream, then figure out what it's actually doing
[02:29] <Keybuk> replicating it in your own driver
[02:29] <ravenxbishop1> nod keybuk... but do you have experience?
[02:30] <Keybuk> I've done it before, not for a sound card though
[02:30] <Keybuk> (and I'm not interested, btw :p)
[02:30] <ravenxbishop1> because you arent really the guy for the job.
[02:30] <ravenxbishop1> but someone is
[02:32] <ravenxbishop1> my guess from years of practical experiance is... that you probably havent REALLY done it, that you've done parts of the actual process and feel you know the theory. i could be wrong. but someone around has done it a few times and would probably help
[02:32] <ravenxbishop1> infact the guys that do it alot, do it for fun
[02:32] <ravenxbishop1> usually the people asking for money or saying how hard it is... arent really the guys that know how
[02:33] <ravenxbishop1> like the friend of a friend of mine that just cracked the ps3.
[02:33] <ravenxbishop1> he doesnt charge :)
[02:34] <ravenxbishop1> he's the one for the job, when you start bringing up anything to do with it, you cant even shut him up
[02:34] <ravenxbishop1> not that i expect anything for free.
[03:01] <m4t> are there any official ubuntu sparc tftp images?
[10:30] <Liquid-Silence> hi all
[10:30] <Liquid-Silence> I am new to ubuntu but I want to contribute as a developer
[10:39] <hyperair> Liquid-Silence: hello. did you need something?
[10:40] <Liquid-Silence> nope
[10:41] <Liquid-Silence> just looking @ contributing to ubuntu as a developer
[10:41] <tomeu> Liquid-Silence: have you seen this already? http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[10:41] <Liquid-Silence> yup
[10:41] <Liquid-Silence> going through that and some other things atm
[10:41] <tomeu> ah, cool
[10:41] <Liquid-Silence> got launchpad etc..
[10:41] <Liquid-Silence> but more interested in what development tools I require etc...
[10:43] <tomeu> Liquid-Silence: that will depend on the package you want to hack on
[10:43] <Liquid-Silence> Well in general I am not going to focus on one package
[10:43] <Liquid-Silence> I want to contribute in many ways
[10:45] <jussi01> Liquid-Silence: Id say join #ubuntu-motu they have some help for people to get started
[10:45] <tomeu> Liquid-Silence: I would just start with one and learn from there
[10:45] <jussi01> !motu
[10:46] <Liquid-Silence> I am in that channel
[10:46] <Liquid-Silence> :)
[10:46] <jussi01> ahh, so you are. best to start on the basics, I can assure you that there is more than enough work to go around.
[10:50] <Liquid-Silence> jussi01: yip
[11:41] <qense> chrisccoulson: The version of Transmission I pushed last night does work. I'm now working on creating a patch for the latest version.
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> qense - thanks. i will try and set aside some time later to look at it
[11:42] <qense> chrisccoulson: thank you
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> i don't know why people keep changing the status and assignee on bug 452208
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> it's getting ridiculous now
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> when you look through the history of it, it's just people having to constantly revert unnecessary changes
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> qense - which branch did you base your work on?
[11:49] <qense> chrisccoulson: lp:ubuntu/lucid/transmission
[11:49] <qense> and that still uses 1.80~b1
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> ah, yes
[11:49] <qense> whereas the repos have got 1.83
[11:49] <chrisccoulson> the packaging branch we use is lp:~ubuntu-desktop/transmission/ubuntu
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> that one is always up-to-date
[11:50] <qense> ok
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> it should be listed in debian/control
[11:50] <qense> I'll merge with that branch
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> (if it's not, then i need to add that)
[11:50] <qense> I'll have a look at it
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks :)
[11:51] <qense> chrisccoulson: I can just merge that autoreconf patch into this branch, it just contains the directory. That's correct?
[11:52] <qense> btw, yes, it contains the Vcs-bzr entry
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> qense - thats right. our packaging branches only contain the debian/ folder
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> but once you have the branch, you can type "bzr bd-do", and get the full source directory
[11:52] <qense> ah
[11:53] <qense> that's a nice feature I had never heard of
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> it's actually a bit of a pain, but it does save on bandwidth ;)
[11:53] <geser> qense: the lp:ubuntu/transmission packaging branch might stay outdating for some time as the package importer failed over the .orig.tar.bz2 from Debian (and this might have stopped imports of Ubuntu uploads too)
[11:54] <qense> geser: yeah, I saw that. A lot of imports failed recently.
[14:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:23] <geser> Hi
[14:23] <czajkowski> at fosdem great turn out, interesting talks, one talk this morning, ubuntu and debian was soo full they stopped allowing folks in
[14:24] <czajkowski> tweet came in afterwards
[14:24] <czajkowski> RT @rdicosmo: Debian and Ubuntu .... After the talk in H1309 at Fosdem, I think Debian really needs to push Ubuntu to behave as a proper dowstream!!!!!
[14:24] <Tm_T> er?
[14:26] <hyperair> ho?
[14:26] <geser> I can imagine that, I was at FOSDEM already twice (the last time last year) and the Debian dev room was always full
[14:26] <hyperair> debian needs to push ubuntu to behave as a proper downstream? what's up with that?
[14:26] <hyperair> have we not been a proper downstream?
[14:27] <geser> I guess the opinion depends on who you ask
[14:27] <hyperair> or are those rogue debian developers getting ahead of themselves claiming that ubuntu never contributes to debian again?
[14:28] <czajkowski> hyperair: it was one comment that just caught my eye on the #fosdem search on twitter
[14:28] <hyperair> czajkowski: i see.
[14:29]  * hyperair sighs. i thought that whole war was behind us
[14:29] <Tm_T> you should just drag the original poster in middle of Ubuntu crew there (;
[14:30] <hyperair> i agree
[14:30] <czajkowski> Tm_T: there are more debian here
[14:30] <czajkowski> 18 ubuntu folks went for dinner last night
[14:30] <Tm_T> czajkowski: doesn't matter (:
[14:30] <czajkowski> http://fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/dist_debian_ubuntu  was the speaker
[14:30] <geser> Debian is to inhomogeneous to come just to *one* opinion on anything
[14:33] <Tm_T> czajkowski: no material available? ):
[14:33] <czajkowski> Tm_T: pardon?
[14:34] <hyperair> i'm curious to see the actual speech
[14:34] <Tm_T> czajkowski: nothing, I cannot build reasonable sentences currently (:
[14:34] <Tm_T> hyperair: me too
[14:35] <czajkowski> it was wedged, looked interesting but it was just too warm to stay
[14:35]  * hyperair wants to see a video or hear a recording =\
[14:35] <czajkowski> aye before commenting
[14:36] <czajkowski> i was just curious tbh, i'd have prefered to see a more larger presence from ubuntu tbh.
[14:36] <geser> I guess you talk to lucas also when he is here again
[14:36] <czajkowski> his first slide was why he's qualified to give this talk, and said jokely it was being recorede so didnt want to offent anyone or something like that
[14:36] <geser> lucas did the recent archive rebuilds for us (and is also a MOTU)
[14:37] <czajkowski> i dont think there was anyting wrong wiht his talk, the perception on stream just got me wondering
[14:55] <kitallis> does Ubuntu plan to apply as an Org for GSoC'10?
[14:56] <hyperair> what would you work on under gsoc for ubuntu?
[14:58] <kitallis> there's the whole Atayana thing, and notify-osd needs a lot of revamping.
[15:00] <kitallis> Ayatana*
[15:01] <hyperair> notify-osd eh..
[15:01] <hyperair> i'd think that'd be under notify-osd instead of ubuntu.
[15:03] <kitallis> notify-osd won't make much of an organisation...
[15:32] <czajkowski> hyperair: Debian's conclusion about Ubuntu at FOSDEM - http://short.ie/fh36jd
[15:33]  * hyperair clicks
[15:34] <hyperair> czajkowski: that sounds fine to me.
[15:34]  * Daviey expected a rick roll
[15:34] <hyperair> czajkowski: but how did that come to "ubuntu needs to be a good downstream"?
[15:34] <hyperair> Daviey: that was the first thing that crossed my mind as well =p
[15:34] <czajkowski> hyperair: that was whats someone took from the talk.. i really need the recordings
[15:35] <hyperair> =\
[15:35] <czajkowski> Daviey: i'm not going near rickroll that song does my noggin in
[15:36] <Daviey> :)
[15:37] <czajkowski> hyperair: talk should be up next week once proceessed
[15:38] <hyperair> czajkowski: cool
[15:59] <alkisg> For LTSP development, I want to disallow upstart daemons from running while maintaining the chroot. Does upstart support some kind of "flag" to disallow daemon starting, like policy-rc.d does for invoke-rc.d ?
[16:24] <alkisg> Hmmm ok I found this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/430224
[16:25] <alkisg> I'll try to make a wrapper for initctl, that either runs initctl or runs true, depending on if we're on a live system or in the chroot...
[16:35] <Liquid-Silence> arg
[16:36] <Liquid-Silence> need to go sit and watch movies with the wife
[16:42] <mdeslaur> lamont: is there a specific reason why we don't ship /usr/lib/libuuid.la in uuid-dev anymore?
[16:58] <ScottK> mdeslaur: There's a general push in Debian not to ship .la files.  I think it should be the other way around, don't ship it unless there's a reason to.
[17:00] <mdeslaur> ScottK: do you know of any webpages with info on transitioning packages to use the .pc file?
[17:00] <ScottK> mdeslaur: No.  Sorry.  I haven't had to deal with it yet, I've just read about the goal to remove them on debian-devel.
[17:00] <mdeslaur> ScottK: ok, thanks
[18:03] <lamont> mdeslaur: because .la files are evil and should die
[18:04] <mdeslaur> lamont: so, if I get a FTBFS on another package because of it, what's the proper thing to do?
[18:04] <mdeslaur> bbl
[18:04] <akgraner> slangasek, are you around I have a quick question for ya?
[18:05] <lamont> fix the other package to not need the .la file - a large part of the push to get rid of the .la files was that they introduced amusing(tm) build-deps that were 4 and 5 deep and totally undeclared
[18:05] <lamont> gnome in hoary was _such_ fun
[18:22] <slangasek> akgraner: hi
[18:23] <akgraner> hey
[18:28]  * ScottK thought maybe slangasek was still on his trip home from the sprint.
[18:28] <ScottK> ;-)
[18:28] <slangasek> it's a tiring journey
[18:39] <ogra> heh
[19:19] <nick19691> hello, how does ubuntu handle virtualbox? Any specific kernel settings or videodrivers? I see ubuntu doesn't use guest additions etc.
[19:22] <persia> nick19691: If nobody gets back to you in a while, you might try #ubuntu-virt
[19:24] <nick19691> thanks persia
[19:27] <gord> nick19691, there are two versions of virtualbox. the open source edition thats included in ubuntu and the closed source edition that you can download from the virtualbox website, that has guest additions and such, but is closed source
[19:29] <micahg> gord: guest additions is in ubuntu
[19:29] <gord> micahg, i think there is a few that are kept out or something, i'm not 100% on the details
[19:29] <micahg> gord: USB support
[19:30] <nigel_nb> gord: and shared folder support
[19:33] <Liquid-Silence> uhm
[19:33] <Liquid-Silence> the one you can install via apt has folder support
[19:33] <Liquid-Silence> and 3d
[19:33] <Liquid-Silence> and the guest additions
[19:33] <Liquid-Silence> I am running it atm
[19:37] <nick19691> gord: I was mostly talking about ubuntu as a guest as it doesn't freeze as eg debian does
[22:32] <lamont> ScottK: postfix 2.7.0~rc1-1~1 bits at deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lamont/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[22:32] <lamont> or will be once the publisher runs
[22:33] <lamont> ScottK: feedback welcome
[22:33] <ScottK> lamont: THanks.
[22:34] <ScottK> lamont: Unfortunately I supposed to leave town for a week tomorrow, so tossing experimental Postfix packages on even my test server (which I do use for some actual stuff) is probably not prudent.
[22:34] <ScottK> I'll have a look when I get back (although it's no doubt going to be OBE by then)
[22:35] <lamont> it's running on my primary mail server, but then, I'm _in_ town this week
[23:54] <azeem> 00:36  * bremner learns from an Ubuntu user that he is the maintainer of syncevolution in Ubuntu.
[23:54] <azeem> and indeed, he's mentioned as "Maintainer" if you input syncevolution in launchpad.net/ubuntu's search box and click the result


[03:43] <luna_> hi
[12:14] <xu-help47w> hi someone?
[12:15] <xu-help47w> i need help with a xubuntu or xfc installl
[12:22] <xu-help47w> hello?
[12:24] <bittin> what is the more exact question?
[12:26] <xu-help47w> thanks
[12:27] <xu-help47w> its the black window (intramfs)
[12:27] <xu-help47w> when i install xubuntu or linux mint xfce
[12:29] <xu-help47w> i dont know what i do
[12:29] <xu-help47w> and dont find any inf0rmation in the web
[12:33] <xu-help47w> in others distros i use fsck but in that donts works?
[12:45] <xu-help47w> and dont find any inf0rmation in the web
[12:51] <xu-help47w> ok
[12:51] <xu-help47w> its imposible
[23:26] <dognose> Hello there
[23:26] <dognose> What is the purpose of this chatroom/
[23:29] <GridCube> dognose, you can ask questions about support here and someone might be able to point you toward a solution, or might not, depends on who's around
[23:29] <guiverc> Xubuntu support (supported releases are 22.04 & 23.04)
[23:30] <dognose> thank you
[23:30]  * guiverc believes you already knew that
[23:30] <dognose> I'm a noobie for the most part.
[23:30] <dognose> Xubuntu is what exactly?
[23:30] <rud0lf> dognose: are you named after playstation analog controller?
[23:30] <rud0lf> they have texture of dog noses
[23:31] <dognose> ^ haha
[23:31] <guiverc> Ubuntu Desktop with the Xfce desktop having replaced GNOME (includes desktop & apps)
[23:31] <dognose> I'll google it, but now that is coincidence
[23:31] <dognose> So newest iteration of Ubuntu?
[23:31] <dognose> Or just Gnome?
[23:31] <dognose> I absolutely love Gnome Ubuntu
[23:31] <dognose> So if that is what XUbuntu is, it sounds like I'm in the right channel.
[23:31] <guiverc> Xubuntu 22.04 is the same Ubuntu base as Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop; but GNOME & gnome-apps have been replaced by Xfce & Xfce apps  - Xfce is much lighter
[23:32] <dognose> ok
[23:32] <dognose> Might be a stupid question, but if I have installed Gnome in Ubuntu, does that mean I then have XUbuntu installed?
[23:32] <GridCube> no
[23:33] <guiverc> Ubuntu Desktop by default already has GNOME.
[23:33] <GridCube> xubuntu is xfce dekstop replacing whatever mainbuntu is running nowadays
[23:33] <dognose> thankx for clarifying, I had it backwards then
[23:33] <dognose> I prefer lighter distros.
[23:33] <GridCube> if you want to run xubuntu and you already have ubuntu installed you just need to run sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[23:33] <dognose> ^ perfect, you answered my next question thankx
[23:34] <guiverc> all Ubuntu flavors (which includes Xubuntu) are built the same way as Ubuntu Desktop; just using different seed files meaning different packages are included by default.. Xubuntu is a Ubuntu system...
[23:34] <dognose> Will that just overwrite everything and automatically default to Xubuntu XFCE stuff>
[23:34] <dognose> ?
[23:34] <dognose> Or is it two different desktop environments installed?
[23:34] <dognose> To toggle / choose from
[23:34] <GridCube> no
[23:34] <Unit193> Nope, there should be a choice at the login screen.  Though you will still have all of GNOME and whatever extras it has too.
[23:35] <GridCube> installing xubuntu-desktop will just install the defaults of xubuntu alongside the mainbuntu defaults
[23:35] <guiverc> my system has 3 DEs installed; Ubuntu Desktop (thus GNOME), Xubuntu Desktop (thus Xfce) & Lubuntu Desktop (LXQt)... I added what I wanted & select which I use when I login
[23:35] <dognose> ahh ok, you're talking about the bottom right on the login screen?
[23:35] <GridCube> maybe? it changes with whatever login manager you're running
[23:35] <dognose> k thankx
[23:35] <dognose> Wow I didn't realize it was that simple to install alternative desktop environments.
[23:36] <GridCube> you should be able to chose the desktop from any login manager
[23:36] <dognose> How much battery life would I save on a laptop you think? I get 10 hours or so on Gnome now, will doing XFCE increase battery life a bit you think?
[23:37] <xangua> Maybe, maybe not
[23:37] <dognose> k
[23:38] <dognose> I think your chatroom is more appropriate to be asking Ubuntu related questions.  So much to learn.
[23:38] <Unit193> Though keep in mind our answeres might be biased, many of us have strong feelings about GNOME. :)
[23:38] <GridCube> <.<
[23:38] <GridCube> >.>
[23:39] <GridCube> i tried gnome3 the other day
[23:39] <GridCube> almost screamed my head off
[23:39] <GridCube> what a horrible horrible desktop paradigm
[23:39] <dognose> Are they trying to be innovative?
[23:39] <dognose> Like Apple?
[23:40] <GridCube> no idea
[23:40] <Unit193> Last I knew they were trying to create an interface that worked everywhere, mobile, desktop, etc.  So, it works nowhere well. :P
[23:40] <dognose> lol
[23:41] <GridCube> yeah that's the feel i  got when i was using it
[23:41] <GridCube> it was like "this is a touchscreen interface"
[23:41] <GridCube> like windows 8
[23:42] <GridCube> oh wait it wasn't gnome3, it was gnome 40
[23:43] <dognose> gross
[23:43] <dognose> Windows 8 was horrid
[23:45] <GridCube> yeah, seems like the gnome devs went "oh yeah windows 8, lets do that"
[23:45] <dognose> so unlike Apple and more like Microsoft lol
[23:46] <dognose> I hope they can find a really intuitive desktop environment that pleases all crowds simultaneously