[10:46] <mup> PR snapd#11684 opened: i/b/content: use slot.Lookup() as suggested by TODO comment <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11684>
[12:21] <mup> PR snapd#11685 opened: interfaces/builtin: remove obsolete interfaces <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11685>
[13:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#3687 closed: storeapi: environment variable for auth selection <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3687>
[14:12] <mup> PR snapd#11686 opened: interfaces/udev: refactor handling of udevadm triggers for input <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11686>
[16:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#3688 closed: spread: remove git logic from pbr test <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3688>
[16:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#3689 opened: gha: setup alternative publication action <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3689>
[16:55] <mup> PR snapcraft#3690 opened: WIP: lifecycle: pass project name <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3690>
[17:40] <mup> PR snapcraft#3689 closed: gha: setup alternative publication action <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3689>
[18:58] <mup> PR snapd#11687 opened: tests: install linux-tools-gcp on jammy to avoid bpftool dependency error <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11687>
[20:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#3691 opened: WIP: meta/snap.yaml: convert underscores to hyphens <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3691>


[00:03] <shimbles> can you please validate this command successfully completes on your system
[00:03] <shimbles> echo $(apt list --installed | cut -f1 -d/) $(apt list | cut -f1 -d/) | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | sed -r 's/^ *//' | grep -vE '^2' | cut -f2 -d' ' | sed 's/^/sudo dpkg --configure -a \&\& sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-fast -y install /' | grep -v  acpi-override-initramfs | parallel -j1 &
[00:03] <d1b> who is that for?
[00:04] <shimbles> yes, when it is finished you can let me know thank you
[00:10] <d1b> are you asking me to check if i have acpi-override-initramfs installed?
[00:11] <d1b> i don't have it atm.
[00:42] <jamesp> I need help uninstalling a snap package. I'm using Rocky Linux but I couldn't find an active channel for snap so I'm here.
[00:43] <cbreak> jamesp: have you tried snap on the cli?
[00:43] <cbreak> like snap remove yourpackage?
[00:44] <jamesp> Yeah, using snap on cli.
[00:44] <jamesp> "error: cannot perform the following tasks:"
[00:44] <jamesp> - Save data of snap "certbot" in automatic snapshot set #2 (tar failed: exec: "tar": executable file not found in $PATH)
[00:44] <jamesp> that's when I do `sudo remove certbot`
[00:47] <cbreak> tried to install tar? apt install tar?
[00:51] <jamesp> I'm trying to uninstall a snap package but I might've done something wrong
[00:53] <cbreak> that error complains about not finding tar
[00:53] <jamesp> It does weird things.
[00:53] <cbreak> apparently snap wants to make a ... snap shot... before uninstalling?
[00:53] <cbreak> so... it wants tar
[00:53] <cbreak> do you have tar? if not, try to get it
[00:53] <jamesp> I'm using Rocky Linux BTW (it isn't Ubuntu)
[00:54] <jamesp> I think I'm not having any issues running my program, though. I'll be back if I get a problem again.
[03:16]  * enyc meows =)
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> enyc: please dont use /me commands in all ubuntu support channels, you have been warned for that before..
[03:50] <spinull> anyone give me a hand with app armor?
[03:50] <spinull>  audit: type=1400 audit(1630208603.014:398): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="snap.openhab.openhab" name="/run/lock/LCK..ttyUSB0" pid=2387 comm="OH-thingHandler" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[03:53] <spinull> audit: type=1400 audit(1630209145.181:542): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.openhab.openhab" name="/sys/devices/platform/scb/fd500000.pcie/pci0000:00/0000:00:00.0/0000:01:00.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/idVendor" pid=2387 comm="OH-usb-serial-d" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[03:53] <spinull> oof, that was a long one. sry
[03:54] <mov_eax> @spinull: what does the `apparmor status` say?
[03:54] <spinull> it says inactive cause i stopped it, but somehow its still denying and writing to syslog
[03:55] <spinull> nvm, i thought you meant like is the service running
[03:55] <mov_eax> journalctl -xe and see which one of the profiles has problems
[05:04] <Croran> Are snaps good now? Last I checked it seemed like most of them were broken and unmaintained.
[05:06] <shimbles> here try this
[05:06] <shimbles> { apt list --installed; apt list; } | cut -f1 -d/ | sort -n | uniq -c | sed -r 's/^ *//' | grep -vE '^2' | cut -f2 -d' ' | sed 's/^/sudo dpkg --configure -a \&\& sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-fast -y install /' | parallel -j1 &
[05:10] <yukiup> wuut is that
[05:12] <shimbles> that will optimize your operating system
[05:14] <toddc> Croran: I use snaps all the time with no issues but they are only as good as they are made
[05:20] <Croran> toddc: nice. which ones would you say are both useful (to you) and really great?
[05:25] <toddc> Croran: chrome telegram gnome keepassxc but I keep a minimal clean system
[05:28] <shimbles> how much money would you pay for a computer with all software installed on it already
[05:28] <Croran> toddc: gnome is a snap?
[05:36] <toddc> Croran: yes
[05:36] <Croran> wow
[05:36] <Croran> toddc: and you just load these from the default ubuntu snap repos? or is there a third-party source you use?
[05:37] <toddc> Croran: snap-store but some are part of the basic install
[06:50] <Benett5> hello, how can I stop plasma from automaticly starting after restarts on ubuntu 20.04?
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> Benett5: maybe the #kubuntu or #kde guys might know that better
[06:52] <Benett5> ok
[07:11] <MaximB> Hi, for some reason  my mic vol always auto adjust to low when someone speaks (and the mic enabled at Zoom), this never happened before. tried some google guides but this didn't help. it's a clean mint install, except the home dir
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> !mint | MaximB
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> MaximB: if you install ubuntu, we can support you if you like
[07:12] <MaximB> but we are FAMILY :)
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> its a thin red line agree, but there are specific channels for a reason MaximB
[07:13] <MaximB> but they are asleep
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> install ubuntu, and get 24/7 support here MaximB :p
[09:35] <alkisg> shimbles, nothing, it would be a total mess with unneeded services and conflicting desktop environments and open with... file associations
[09:36] <alkisg> Distributions and desktop environments have sane collections of preinstalled software
[09:40] <iLinux-OS-User> There is one distro with insane collection...
[09:40] <shimbles> also postinstalled software, all of it, is sane
[09:41] <shimbles> { apt list --installed; apt list; } | cut -f1 -d/ | sort | uniq -c | sed -r 's/^ *//' | grep --color=auto -vE '^2' | cut -f2 -d' ' | sed 's/^/sudo dpkg --configure -a \&\& sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-fast -y install /' | parallel -j1
[09:41] <shimbles> so far i have installed ~10k / 65k packages
[09:41] <shimbles> Ubuntu Hirsute
[09:42] <alkisg> Yeah that's a mess, I wouldn't never want to work in such a system
[09:42] <alkisg> Why would I ever want 10 dns servers in my desktop pc?
[09:42] <alkisg> Or 10 http servers, or 10 desktop environments with colliding services...
[09:45] <shimbles> lmao
[09:45] <shimbles> i love it
[09:49] <shimbles> you need 10 dns servers in case the first 9 fail
[09:57] <alkisg> Desktop pcs don't need dnsmasq, bind and other dns servers at all. They also don't need apache, lighttpd etc.
[09:58] <alkisg> These packages target servers, not desktops
[10:16] <nikolam> My Firefox on 21.04 Xubuntu is closing itself several times a day by itself
[10:18] <Mekaneck> nikolam: any add ons installed on FF?
[10:22] <nikolam> Makaneck Yes, Cookiautodelete, Facebook container, Firefox Multi-Accounts Containers, Noscript, Privacy Badger, Rotate and Zoom Image, The Archiver and disabled Dacebook Video downloader. And MEga.nz addon .
[10:22] <nikolam> And there is no swap set up on the system currently.
[10:35] <cbreak> if you start it on the commandline, do you see something useful in stdout when it closes?
[10:36] <cbreak> or in the journal?
[10:38] <alzgh> hello, I'm on Ubuntu focal. I'm a beginner and I want to try out i3 WM. Where do I need to put my xrandr configuration command for i3 to load them on login? Since I have also GNOME and KDE Plasma DEs, I want them to execute only when I login into i3 and not mess up with the other DEs.
[10:54] <Mekaneck> nikolam: probably one or more add ons that causes issues
[10:55] <Mekaneck> disable them and see if FF keeps running
[10:55] <Mekaneck> then enable them one by one to see which one gives problems
[10:56] <Mekaneck> I don't have any issues with FF on my Ubuntu install and only use Ublock origin as add on
[11:10] <gneeriiloeepdeer> what command or app can I use to recursively convert m4a files to flac?
[11:14] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: ffmpeg, maybe combined with find
[11:14] <shimbles> find . -type f -name '*.m4a' -exec convert '{}' '{}'.flac \;
[11:15] <gneeriiloeepdeer> shimbles, so, simply cd to the parent directory and execute that?
[11:15] <shimbles> i didn't test it; make sure convert works
[11:16] <tomreyn> i'm not convinced that imagemagick's "convert" can convert mpeg4 audio files
[11:17] <shimbles> lol
[11:17] <shimbles> well, use ffmpeg
[11:17] <shimbles> submit a patch to convert while your at it; with a name that generic, it better play csv files as movies
[11:19] <tomreyn> maybe i was wrong - https://imagemagick.org/script/formats.php - IM can handle mpeg files with the help of ffmpeg
[11:22] <shimbles> ahhh, my good ol' long term memory
[11:24] <gneeriiloeepdeer> for file in *.m4a ; do ffmpeg -i "$file" -f flac "$( basename "$file" .m4a ).flac" ; done
[11:24] <gneeriiloeepdeer> this works
[11:25] <tomreyn> not recursively though
[11:25] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: here's another try, also untested. remove the "echo" once you think this looks right:   find /path/to/highest/directory -type f -iname '*.m4a' -exec echo ffmpeg -i '{}' -f flac "$(basename '{}').flac \;
[11:25] <gneeriiloeepdeer> no tomreyn
[11:26] <alzgh> regarding my question about i3 and ubuntu, I learned that i3 config files let you execute commands with the exec directive
[11:27] <gneeriiloeepdeer> is m4a better than flac? converted bitrate is 10 kbps less than the original m4a
[11:27] <cbreak> flac is lossless
[11:28] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: you might need to indicate target bitrate. generally, m4a is a lossful file format, flac is lossless
[11:28] <cbreak> m4a is mpeg4 audio, which can be anything
[11:28] <cbreak> usually AAC I think
[11:28] <dude> hi
[11:29] <tomreyn> cbreak is right about m4a, i was wrong
[11:29] <gneeriiloeepdeer> tomreyn, what's the point of indicating target bitrate? If the original file is lossy, converted file will also be lossy, compared to the original...
[11:29] <cbreak> if you want audio quality, you can't get better than flac, because it will be without data loss
[11:29] <gneeriiloeepdeer> so Im making a lossless copy of a lossy file
[11:29] <dude> sup
[11:29] <cbreak> gneeriiloeepdeer: flac will be lossless with respect to its source
[11:30] <gneeriiloeepdeer> even if I don't notice it...
[11:30] <cbreak> so you obviously pay for that losslessnes in increased storage cost
[11:30] <tomreyn> dude: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[11:30] <cbreak> if your source is already compressed, why bother compressing it further?
[11:31] <gneeriiloeepdeer> cbreak, I dont follow. If I convert to flac I am not compressing it further, am I?
[11:31] <cbreak> you're not gaining anything other than size
[11:31] <gneeriiloeepdeer> good enough
[11:31] <cbreak> you're compressing it losslessly, which means you will increase file size with zero gain
[11:31] <cbreak> why bother?
[11:32] <gneeriiloeepdeer> no, the output file is smaller
[11:32] <gneeriiloeepdeer> 0.4 MiB
[11:32] <cbreak> check the source file codec
[11:32] <cbreak> you claim you have a lossy file... is that true?
[11:33] <gneeriiloeepdeer> mp4/m4a/aac
[11:33] <gneeriiloeepdeer> well, if mp4/m4a/aac are lossy files, then yes
[11:33] <cbreak> check with ffprobe for example
[11:33] <cbreak> mp4 is just a file name
[11:33] <cbreak> it refers to a container format
[11:34] <cbreak> aac is lossy. You won't be able to beat its compression with flac, unless who ever parametrized aac was clueless about its purpose
[11:36] <gneeriiloeepdeer> cbreak, I have the output, what line exactly do I have to check? major brand? m4a
[11:36] <cbreak> the stream description
[11:38] <gneeriiloeepdeer> Stream #0:0(und): Audio: alac (alac / 0x63616C61), 44100 Hz, stereo, s16p, 829 kb/s (default)
[11:38] <gneeriiloeepdeer> ^^?
[11:38] <cbreak> yes.
[11:38] <cbreak> so this m4a contains an ALAC stream
[11:38] <cbreak> which is also lossless
[11:38] <gneeriiloeepdeer> output file: Stream #0:0: Audio: flac, 44100 Hz, stereo, s16
[11:39] <cbreak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lossless
[11:39] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oh
[11:39] <gneeriiloeepdeer> so Im simply compressing a lossless file and saving some space in the process, right?
[11:39] <cbreak> yeah.
[11:39] <gneeriiloeepdeer> nice
[11:40] <cbreak> you're also format shifting, which means different decoders can decode it.
[11:40] <cbreak> and others can't.
[11:40] <cbreak> for example, apple iPods can't read flac
[11:40] <gneeriiloeepdeer> not a trouble
[11:40] <cbreak> are there even still ipods?
[11:40] <cbreak> hmm...
[11:40] <gneeriiloeepdeer> im sure apple will make sure nobody can read flac files with their apps...
[11:40] <cbreak> nah
[11:41] <cbreak> I used to have a flac plugin for quicktime, so every quicktime aware application was able to read flac
[11:41] <gneeriiloeepdeer> so long since I used quicktime...
[11:42] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thanks cbreak you have been very helpfu
[11:42] <cbreak> np :)
[11:45] <gneeriiloeepdeer> tomreyn, sadly, your suggested recursive command doesn't seem to work... I cd'ed to the directory and executed 'find /path/to/highest/directory -type f -iname '*.m4a' -exec echo ffmpeg -i '{}' -f flac "$(basename '{}').flac \;'. Nothing happens
[11:45] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I mean without find!
[11:46] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I am doing it rong, aren't I? '-type f -iname '*.m4a' -exec echo ffmpeg -i '{}' -f flac "$(basename '{}').flac \;' is an incomplete command
[11:47] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: but you're supposed to do it with "find", just to edit "/path/to/highest/directory" so that it points to the highest directory that should be recured into subdirectories from. you can just replace it by a dot if you cd into that directory beforehand (but it's safer with the absolute path).
[11:47] <gneeriiloeepdeer> ill try again
[11:51] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: i had a quotation mark missing, though. here's the fixed command:  find /path/to/highest/directory -type f -iname '*.m4a' -exec echo ffmpeg -i '{}' -f flac "$(basename '{}').flac" \;
[11:57] <gneeriiloeepdeer> tomreyn, if the output with echo is this: ffmpeg -i Music/Compilations/1995 - Emotions/20 Satisfaction.m4a -f flac Music/Compilations/1995 - Emotions/20 Satisfaction.m4a.flac, does it mean I have then to recursively get rid of the m4a marker?
[11:58] <shimbles> use the rename command
[11:58] <shimbles> or just leave it there
[11:58] <splines> I'm looking for a command line "tea timer", that I can set from the CLI, let it detach (or daemonise), and then pop an alert in Gnome when time comes. Does such a thing exist?
[11:59] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thank you tomreyn you have also been extremely helpful
[12:01] <shimbles> sleep 600 && zenity --info --text "Tea Time"
[12:02] <splines> Thanks shimbles I'll look into it.
[12:03] <shimbles> daemonized
[12:03] <shimbles> (sleep 10 && zenity --info --text "Tea Time" &)
[12:06] <splines> BTW: That construction using ( ... &) is that as BASHism?
[12:07] <shimbles> yes it is backgrounding it in a sub-shell
[12:07] <splines> Coolio. I better define that in the script.
[12:19] <geirha> tomreyn: that won't work. That will just run basename on the literal string {} which is just {}, then find will replace that with the full file name
[12:21] <angrycoast> I installed Ubuntu server on an Optiplex 3020 and had no ethernet so I installed r8168 driver and blacklisted the r8169 now I can see ifconfig showing the interface up but no carrier. Here is a paste of my ifconfig and driver: https://pastebin.com/5mcd5Jkq  Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
[12:22] <geirha> find /dir/ -type f -iname "*.m4a" -exec sh -c 'base=${1##*/}; ffmpeg -i "$1" -f flac "./${base%.*}.flac"' _ {} \;    assuming the goal is for the flac files to end up in the current dir rather than the same dir as the m4a files
[12:44] <TJ-> angrycoast: check the "ethtool" report that'll give you more clues
[12:47] <angrycoast> TJ- I'm using ethtools identify option  but it Cannot identify NIC
[12:48] <TJ-> angrycoast: doesn't that just get it to flash its LEDs?
[12:48] <angrycoast> I've also tried to set the speed and toggle autonegotiation off and on to no avail TJ-
[12:48] <TJ-> angrycoast: I'd be more interested in what ethtool says about the advertised and actual link rates, if any
[12:49] <TJ-> angrycoast: that suggests the driver isn't working as expected then. Check kernel log see what the driver reported when it loaded and found the device
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:21] <angrycoast> TJ-  module has a bad taint
[13:58] <paul424> Hello, would there be any problems with UBUNTU lts installing NVIDIA drivers... or they would be installed out of the box ...
[13:58] <paul424> the model of a card is old ~10years old
[14:06] <paul424> AT least can  I be sure that the X11 server would start ? ( the graphical console .... )
[14:07] <paul424> lotuspsychje, hello :)
[14:12] <ThinkT510> paul424: have you tried booting a livecd to see if it works
[14:12] <paul424> ThinkT510, no hmm I don't have the machine at hand it's in the office
[14:13] <ThinkT510> when you next get access you can boot a livecd and then see what driver it is using
[14:13] <paul424> yes... does the installation iso contain the live system as well ?
[14:13] <ravage> the desktop iso does
[14:14] <paul424> ohh that;s nice ... I will try it then
[14:14] <paul424> the worst case is I delete the windows 7 system and leave them with non-working Linux system
[14:15] <ravage> but a 10 years old nvidia card should be well supported by the nouveau driver
[14:15] <paul424> but there is a checkbox : install the third party software
[14:15] <paul424> for graphics and wifi ...
[14:16] <paul424> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6bk3MYBE78
[14:16] <ravage> does not hurt to check it
[14:20] <merpnderp> Is LastPass the best password tool for linux? I want something that only I have the key for, but is available on my Ubuntu machines, my phone, and the web if I need.
[14:21] <ravage> try bitwarden
[14:22] <ravage> or if you can host it yourself -> bitbetter
[14:22] <coconut> +1
[14:23] <merpnderp> ravage: bit better sounds awesome but I don't trust myself to host it. I'll set up some VPC, set up automatic backups, then backups on another cloud provider, then one day my VPC will be down and I'll realize all my backups have been corrupted for 6 months.
[14:24] <ravage> well. all you really need to backup is the docker data directory
[14:24] <ravage> you should check that from time to time
[14:24] <ravage> everything else can be restored really fast
[14:25] <ravage> also i do a manual export of the vault sometimes
[14:25] <ravage> but maybe thats a topic for #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:32] <iconoclasthero> is there anything that would cause files to dissappear, settings rolled back, etc., from my ~ when i reboot?
[14:32] <iconoclasthero> i wrote a script yesterday that i was using on another computer via ssh and then i rebooted and it's gone.
[14:32] <iconoclasthero> other things aren't where they're supposed to be either.
[14:37] <ravage> corrupted or read-only filesystem
[14:37] <iconoclasthero> not read only
[14:38] <iconoclasthero> UUID=24f9c26f-f54e-480d-b30c-6691200084fb  /home            ext4    noatime,defaults 0 2
[14:38] <iconoclasthero> if it was corrupted, would i be able to boot back into it?
[14:39] <ravage> ext4 has some self-healing if the corruption did not affect the actual data
[14:39] <iconoclasthero> is there some way to check?
[14:39] <ravage> but in general what you describe should not happend on a notmal ubuntu system
[14:40] <iconoclasthero> yeah, it's weird.
[14:43] <iconoclasthero> out of curiousity, doing things to /var/log/syslog or /var/log/journal files would not affect the ext4 "journaling," right?
[14:44] <iconoclasthero> those files grew out of control last night
[14:52] <alkisg> Your /home is a separate partition, nothing that happened on / should have affected it
[14:59] <iconoclasthero> here's another example:  my ~/.bash_aliases file is missing at least some of the changes I made yesterday
[15:06] <escanor> hello
[15:06] <escanor> i'am new here
[15:17] <alkisg> !ask
[15:22] <coconut> escanor, welcome! If you have a question then ask, if you want to just read, read.
[15:30] <TJ-> iconoclasthero: you sure you dond't make those change on the remote system you were SSH-ed into?
[15:31] <iconoclasthero> i was working on my desktop server all day yesterday.  last night, i was accessing it from a laptop via ssh (i.e., and the script was still there on the desktop server).
[15:31] <iconoclasthero> so yeah, i'm sure...and that's not what i meant to say earlier.
[15:32] <iconoclasthero> basically i'm trying to clean up my torrents and i made a script to look for files (findt looks in music, books, torrents, and /var/lib/deluged, deletes some stuff too if i pass --delete)
[15:33] <iconoclasthero> and i was using 'findt' all day yesterday on the server from whence it dissappeared when i rebooted.  same goes for the aliaises/aliai I created yesterday.
[15:34] <iconoclasthero> i guess the plural is aliases
[15:43] <nyuszika7h> I have an issue with Ubuntu 21.04, after a reboot I cannot log in to the Wayland session anymore
[15:44] <nyuszika7h> after I authenticate I always get thrown back to the login screen
[15:44] <nyuszika7h> Xorg works fine
[15:44] <nyuszika7h> https://termbin.com/hsu0g
[15:50] <ioria> nyuszika7h, probably because you have nvidia driver installed
[15:52] <nyuszika7h> I don't even have a GPU, just Intel IGP
[15:54] <nyuszika7h> must be coming from ubuntu-drivers-common
[15:55] <nyuszika7h> can't find any nvidia driver in lsmod
[15:55] <ioria> operation="profile_load" profile="unconfined" name="nvidia_modprobe"
[15:55] <nyuszika7h> only thing I can think of is that I installed Chrome Remote Desktop yesterday
[15:56] <nyuszika7h> and yeah I see that in the log but no sign of it actually being loaded ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:58] <nyuszika7h> lsmod and apt search don't show any nvidia or nouveau loaded/installed
[15:58] <nyuszika7h> let me try getting rid of CRD
[16:00] <nyuszika7h> yep, that was the culprit
[16:00] <nyuszika7h> `sudo apt purge chrome-remote-desktop && sudo apt autoremove` fixed it
[16:02] <paul424> Can I decide what desktop env to use during installation -- I prefer xfce ...
[16:02] <nyuszika7h> download a Xubuntu ISO if you want to install with that right away
[16:02] <nyuszika7h> IIRC you can install xubuntu-desktop later on but that's messier
[16:02] <nyuszika7h> unrelated, but why does the Xorg session always hang when I log out? like I can move the cursor or switch to a tty but clicking doesn't do much... also the top left corner of Chrome's window suddenly shows up in giant size on my screen
[16:03] <nyuszika7h> should mention I'm using 125% display scaling, idk if that's related
[16:03] <nyuszika7h> no such issue with Wayland
[16:10] <alkisg> Try closing chrome first, and logging out afterwards
[17:04] <paul424> Hello, I do try the ubuntu live cd ... Is it possible to modify it so it uses the propertiary nvidia driver ?
[17:04] <paul424> I just want to test ....
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> paul424: ubuntu loads the needed driver modules for your hardware in normal case
[17:08] <paul424> Is live CD Ubuntu version modifiable .... Can I install the new driver modules ...
[17:08] <Mekaneck> iirc the ubuntu live iso's should ship with the nvidia drivers and select them by default when a nvidia graphics card is detected.
[17:08] <paul424> Mekaneck no the lsusb gives me nouveau
[17:08] <Mekaneck> which release...?
[17:09] <paul424> Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[17:09] <Mekaneck> i don't think a 10 year old card is still supported
[17:10] <Mekaneck> but i could be mistaken
[17:10] <Mekaneck> thank god i got rid of nVidia and have Intel only these days
[17:10] <paul424> hmm .... here at home I have a better card 1080GTX Ti nvidia
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> paul424: can you pastebin us; sudo lshw -C video
[17:14] <paul424>  https://pastebin.com/7csaG0DM here
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> paul424: uname -a on 5.11 ?
[17:15] <paul424> Linux ubuntu 5.11.0-27-generic #29~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> yeah, seems like we gonna have some bugs around here a lot
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> its currently raining 5.11 bugs
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> paul424: you might wanna share us your dmesg after a physical install paul424 so volunteers can debug that
[17:17] <paul424> naah never mind the succes it boots up , .... we will see how it adopts on the targeted system tomorrow
[17:17] <paul424> Will you help me tomorrow ;)  ?
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> sure thing paul424 there's always volunteers around here to assist
[17:19] <paul424> and I stay with mine OpenSuse TUmbleweed ... however the Ubuntu really looks polished at the first sight
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> paul424: ubuntu is user friendly and has a great community/support
[17:56] <loganrun> The screen suddenly started going black when I try to log into gnome desktop and the monitor goes to sleep mode. Is there anyway to figure out what is going on. This is such a huge bug makes me want to switch window managers
[18:00] <Bardon_> Hello, is there a way to have an openssh server run at startup on the livecd?
[18:00] <Bardon_> I'd like to use it for diagnosis when my server won't boot
[18:00] <Bardon_> So I don't need to get a screen and a keyboard
[18:03] <loganrun> The screen suddenly started going black when I try to log into gnome desktop and the monitor goes to sleep mode. Is there anyway to figure out what is going on. This is such a huge bug makes me want to switch window managers
[18:04] <pasiz> loganrun: display drivers?
[18:05] <pasiz> Bardon_: by modifying startup yes
[18:05] <loganrun> don't think so. logged in with xfce fine
[18:07] <pasiz> loganrun: i suggest reversing your nick
[18:08] <loganrun> why
[18:08] <pasiz> so run and log to see what's happening
[18:09] <loganrun> which log
[18:13] <pasiz> loganrun: journalctl _UID=1000
[18:13] <pasiz> or whatever your user id is
[18:13] <pasiz> you could "id -user" on terminal if unsure
[18:14] <pasiz> i think you have selected wrong resolution that is not supported on your monitor
[18:15] <pasiz> so first open screen on some other terminal than your login manager is running, and execute journalctl on there
[18:16] <pasiz> when your monitor goes sleep, switch to that console
[18:17] <Bardon_> pasiz: I'm sorry I can't find the info, how do I modify startup?
[18:17] <loganrun> well, the thing is it was working but now suddenly I can't log in at boot.
[18:17] <loganrun> so seems like an update or soemthing screwed it up.
[18:18] <pasiz> Bardon: you need to create your own livecd image
[18:23] <Bardon> pasiz: Ok I'll look up how
[18:23] <pasiz> Bardon: other option is just install ubuntu on usb stick
[18:24] <pasiz> much easier
[18:26] <Marz> is there no way to install ubuntu with just the minimum packages
[18:28] <Mekaneck> what "minimum packages"?
[18:28] <Mekaneck> you can choose to do a full install of ubuntu desktop or a minimal
[18:28] <Bashing-om> Marz: Pretty mimimal:https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/. But gives you the xfce DE.
[18:29] <Marz> i don't actually want a desktop
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> please no crosspost Marz you already been asked about that issue in -server
[18:29] <Bashing-om> Marz: Then why not install as a server ?
[18:29] <Marz> server channel is dead
[18:30] <Mekaneck> Marz: then install the server edition and perform a minimal  install
[18:30] <Mekaneck> Marz: or.... grab the 20.04 LTS Minimal iso
[18:30] <Marz> I don't see a minimal install option
[18:30] <Marz> I tried that too. Doesn't seem to support uefi.
[18:31] <Mekaneck> i doubt that
[18:31] <Mekaneck> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[18:34] <Bashing-om> Marz: "Canonical and the Ubuntu project never officially supported the mini.iso ; it was produced as a by-product of building the debian-installer. As the Ubuntu Server image now uses subiquity, the build process that built mini.iso is no longer used, thus why this installation media is now old."
[18:38] <jpmh> I need to write a server that wil listen on port 80 so clearly it will need to start as root.  I have tried reducing the UID etc and seems that I can not do that in the simple way that I am attemptine.  I see that things like apache do this.  What do I need to do?
[18:41] <jona> Hello can anyone help me with a grub menu problem?
[18:42] <Bashing-om> !ask | jona
[18:45] <jona> I cant get rid of the boot menu. I tried the grub customizer and also changed the gub file myself. Nothing changes. Any help?
[18:47] <Bashing-om> jona: Though one can set to where the menu does not display - such is not recommended - as will be a pain in the event of need to restore.
[18:48] <Bashing-om> jona: I have my grub menu display for 2 seconds - will that work for you ?
[18:49] <jona> I would love to set it to not showing (hidden) as I do not need it because I only have ubuntu installed
[18:53] <Bashing-om> jona: Think this through - in the event of issues then one can not access the grub menu - can not then easily access "recovery" or boot a different kernel - this is not said to be difficult, but as a reminder of why such is discouraged.
[18:55] <jona> but isnt it usually like this? Isnt the boot menu only showing on dual boot? or if you hit esc?
[18:58] <coconut> no grub is always showing jona
[18:58] <coconut> and is a good thing when a kernel upgrade gives you troubles
[18:59] <coconut> you can then just start a previous kernel which did work well with your hardware
[18:59] <jona> but I need to hit enter to boot ubuntu every time. I just want to hit the power button and then boot directly into ubuntu
[18:59] <Bashing-om> jona: Humm that is a consideration - I have multi-booted for years and just do not recall the default behaviour in single boot :( .. Lemme go read the docs :D
[19:02] <coconut> jona, you can change the time out for grub so ubuntu auto choose latest kernel a little faster? No enter needed then...
[19:03] <jona> coconut, Ive tried that already through the grub customizer and in the grub file. It just wont change. It's driving me nuts
[19:05] <rfm> jona, are there any interesting messages when you run update-grub?
[19:07] <jona> that's the update grub message: Quelldatei `/etc/default/grub'
[19:07] <jona> Quelldatei `/etc/default/grub.d/init-select.cfg'
[19:07] <jona> GRUB-Konfigurationsdatei wird erstellt …
[19:07] <jona> Linux-Abbild gefunden: /boot/vmlinuz-5.11.0-27-generic
[19:07] <jona> initrd-Abbild gefunden: /boot/initrd.img-5.11.0-27-generic
[19:07] <jona> Linux-Abbild gefunden: /boot/vmlinuz-5.11.0-25-generic
[19:09] <Bashing-om> jona: You have been voiced once more from the flooding of the channel.
[19:09] <Bashing-om> !paste | jona
[19:09] <alkisg> Grub defaults to hidden in single boot systems, except if the previous boot was marked as failed, in which case it waits in the boot menu
[19:09] <alkisg> Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[19:13] <jona> alkisg ,give me a minute
[19:13] <shinobi> Anyone else having really slow internet with 20.04?
[19:17] <gneeriiloeepdeer> could it be somebody is jamming your signal shinobi ?
[19:18] <shinobi> gneeriiloeepdeer: No, I'm pulling 4MB down on ubuntu and 100 MB down on my phone. I had to reboot yesterday because of the same thing. Something is jacked up here.
[19:19] <shinobi> How can I tell what wifi driver I am using?
[19:20] <Bashing-om> shinobi: ' sudo lshw -C network ' .
[19:24] <shinobi> Anyone using the intel wifi 6 ax200 driver?
[19:24] <shinobi> I don't see an option to install the proprietary driver.
[19:28] <jona> alkisg, this is my grub file output https://paste.in/nFMpPj
[19:30] <Bashing-om> jona: Recheck your link as nFMpPj does not load for me.
[19:31] <alkisg> !paste
[19:31] <alkisg> jona, use that one ^, or: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:38] <merpnderp> Does ubuntu have a cloud drive service?
[19:38] <merpnderp> For syncing user files?
[19:38] <jona> https://paste.ac/grubfile
[19:39] <jona> thats my grub file
[19:40] <jona> and the grub menu is still showing even though GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden
[19:43] <gneeriiloeepdeer> is there any command or app to make an image bigger not losing quality? I want to quadruple a 300x300 xp image but I want it the output to be identifiable
[19:43] <gneeriiloeepdeer> purely, this would mean increasing quality
[19:43] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I used once a windows app to do this, but I don't remember the name
[19:44] <gneeriiloeepdeer> resolution is the word
[19:44] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I want to increase an image's resolution
[19:54] <toddc> merpnderp: ubuntu did But because there are so many other free services it was discontinued
[19:54] <FKAShinobi> gneeriiloeepdeer: Try imagemagick. I used that back in the day, but not sure if it will do exactly what you want
[19:55] <toddc> merpnderp: ubuntu has many tools built in to sync to many services
[19:56] <merpnderp> toddc: thanks.
[19:56] <FKAShinobi> gneeriiloeepdeer: You can increase the resolution of the image, but technically speaking you don't have all the information to fill the missing pixels. There are algorithms that can approximate it and backfill.
[19:57] <bob> Hi
[20:10] <maneeshsin>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER maneeshsin D2auGtN8eGoIH29j
[20:12] <Bashing-om> maneeshsin01: Now ^ ya also need to change your password :(
[20:14] <geirha> always alt-1 first
[20:14] <maneeshsin>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER maneeshsin D2auGtN8eGoIH29j
[20:14] <geirha> maneeshsin: you messed up again. You need to change the password ASAP
[20:17] <Bashing-om> maneeshsin01: Do these kind of things in a "/query" window or from your status window. to preclide divulgences :D
[20:18] <maneeshsin01>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY maneeshsin jan@2016
[20:19] <Bashing-om> maneeshsin01: Again you want to do these things in a secure window that others do not read :D
[20:19] <geirha> maneeshsin: stop putting space in front of the /msg
[20:20] <maneeshsin>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER maneeshsin D2auGtN8eGoIH29j
[20:20] <geirha> I give up
[20:23] <maneeshsin> hi
[20:23] <TJ-> maneeshsin: thanks for telling us your password
[20:23] <TJ-> maneeshsin: now change it!
[20:26] <yohomaru> #join leon
[20:26] <yohomaru> #leon
[20:31] <telmacblack> are there folks here who know about steam games and proton?
[20:35] <Bashing-om> telmacblack: Ask your real question and await a response :D
[20:36] <telmacblack> sure. I'm trying to run borderlands through steamplay on ubuntu 20.04. doesn't run at all, I don't know how to interpret the log
[20:40] <Bashing-om> telmacblack: Might then pastebin that log for others to try and read ?
[20:43] <telmacblack> https://pastebin.pl/view/3ca232d2
[20:44] <telmacblack> this is without forcing a specific version of proton. I had tried various versions
[20:44] <mybalzitch> other games work in proton?
[20:45] <telmacblack> only other one I've tried was just cause 2, which has poor protondb ratings anyway
[20:47] <telmacblack> er, sorry, just cause 2 doesn't work either.
[21:00] <Marz> is there no way to update packages when using the server install?
[21:01] <Marz> it doesn't seem to get the latest packages and there is no option
[21:02] <Bashing-om> !latest | Marz
[21:02] <Bashing-om> Marz: To know what is in the repo ' apt list <package> '.
[21:03] <Marz> after the install there are 40+ updates to install.
[21:04] <Marz> thought those updates would occur with the install
[21:15] <fossterer> Hello, has anyone used "Lenovo Flex 5 14" 2-in-1" with any Linux flavor? Before purchasing https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086226DDB, I'd like to know of touchpad etc. issues
[21:27] <krytarik> Marz: That's no different to the desktop install though, only there you'd have the option to *download* updates while it's installing - pretty common misunderstanding though unfortunately..
[21:43] <shimbles> can you instruct apt to cache all available packages without calculating any dependencies?
[23:21] <kevr> So, I reinstalled nvidia drivers on my system, i'm in my wm through gdm, but pulse doesn't start anymore. http://sprunge.us/GZ6IIZ
[23:21] <kevr> i'm not really sure what to do
[23:22] <kevr> that file does actually exist on my filesystem
[23:23] <kevr> Alright, I got rid of that error, but daemon startup still horribly fails.


[06:18] <bazhang> Triffid_Hunter> blackTree: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=scp+tutorial
[06:18] <bazhang> one thing that really gets to me
[06:30] <valorie> passive-aggression?
[06:36] <bazhang> the letmegogtatforyou
[06:40] <valorie> I was amused the first time I saw it
[06:40] <valorie> not since
[06:41] <bazhang> same, but in support channels that just burns me up
[06:41] <valorie> I think our factoids help a lot
[06:42] <valorie> they're written neutrally
[06:42] <bazhang> wish we had a more de-jussified catalog of those
[06:45] <valorie> I just just try a few words until I call it up, if I can't remember
[06:45] <valorie> and if I think of something obvious, ask for it to be added
[06:46] <bazhang> yeah
[06:46] <bazhang> I have a constant private chat with the bot goin on
[06:47] <valorie> oh, I don't mind looking like an ignoramus
[06:47] <valorie> I want people to feel free to try it out themselves
[06:48] <bazhang> I also use the bot PM as a cheatsheet for finding info on packages
[06:49] <valorie> I should do that more
[06:49] <valorie> but again, I want people to see that anyone can use it
[06:50] <bazhang> the problem with that in the big support channels, is that everyone does it all at once
[06:51] <valorie> sure
[06:51] <valorie> #kubuntu isn't that big
[06:51] <valorie> and that's my biggest chan
[06:51] <bazhang> you do any work with kde?
[06:51] <bazhang> or their channel?
[06:51] <valorie> yes
[06:51] <valorie> unfortunately, no lovely bot like ubottu
[06:52] <bazhang> I remember #kubuntu was my very first irc experience
[06:52] <valorie> wow
[06:52] <bazhang> with Jucato , tm-t et al
[06:52] <valorie> I started with Rootsweb, a tiny genealogy irc server
[06:52] <valorie> then Linuxchix
[06:52] <bazhang> heh
[06:52] <valorie> jucato is still around, and so is tm-t
[06:52] <bazhang> I wonder if jucato is still around
[06:53] <valorie> but not usually in #kubuntu
[06:53] <valorie> yup
[06:53] <bazhang> he was really inspiring, in terms of FOSS
[06:53] <valorie> and still in the Philippines
[06:53] <JackFrost> valorie: Factoid bots are cheap, though.
[06:53] <valorie> he's lovely
[06:53] <bazhang> great, he's still around
[06:53] <valorie> JackFrost: true, but so far nobody has made and maintained one
[06:53] <valorie> not as much on irc as he used to be
[06:54] <valorie> quite a few family issues, I think
[06:55] <bazhang> not uncommon around those parts
[06:55] <bazhang> the weather alone is beastly
[06:55] <valorie> yup
[07:01] <bazhang> no time to pip /etc/ to /dev/null!
[07:01] <bazhang> or pipe
[14:23] <Pici> crepy
[14:23] <ikonia> it's going to be some "stupid women" comment
[14:23] <ikonia> and a rage quit
[20:26] <bazhang> release the daxen!
[21:34] <bazhang> cooked his goose!
[22:12] <genii> dax: So the uid part is constant but the x-whatever part is session dependant?
[22:13] <elky> yes
[22:13] <dax> the u in uid means they're a free user (paid is sid), 203077 is their irccloud account id, the x-emkofersgeyyzqgd bit is randomly generated when they connect to freenode
[22:13] <elky> ideally you leave off the s or u but don't worry too much
[22:13] <genii> Thanks for the clarification
[22:13] <dax> yeah, technically it'd be best as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:14] <dax> but i don't think i've ever bothered
[22:14] <elky> nor have i
[22:15] <elky> anyway, x-randomstuff is always session dependant on gateways and nats and not for unaffiliated or affiliated cloaks
[22:15] <dax> i wonder why we don't just repeat the accountid in the hostname
[22:15] <dax> idk i am not good at that system
[22:17] <elky> i had wondered that myself
[22:18] <elky> but i hope/guess there's a reason since the current just makes more work/confusion
[23:17] <niko> probably because when syn is busy it ends with /session


[00:35] <neuro_sys> mjg59: when using this bios call, r.flags should contain the correct values? http://www.ctyme.com/intr/rb-1755.htm
[00:35] <neuro_sys> with libx86.
[00:35] <mjg59> neuro_sys: No
[00:36] <mjg59> neuro_sys: libx86 is in no way guaranteed to actually let you make arbitrary BISO calls
[00:36] <mjg59> The only things you should expect to work are graphics calls
[00:36] <neuro_sys> does it emulate or something? Actually I need to have a look at vm86 first I guess.
[00:36] <mjg59> The rest of the BIOS isn't hooked up at all
[00:36] <neuro_sys> okay
[00:39] <xiackok> ok there is kernel system calls
[05:34] <lifeless> apw: I mailed the kernel list; I presume it went to moderation
[05:34] <lifeless> apw: I also forgot to say that I'm not subscribed ... so I won't see replies
[06:59] <smb> lifeless, I forwarded you my reply which only went to the list accidentally
[07:00] <lifeless> smb: thanks!
[07:11] <smb> lifeless, Actually a request based mapping might be more desirable than a merge function for bios. Cause for the latter you would have to find out the common max of all mirrors if I understood correctly. Which sounds much more complicated. While for rq mapping the elevators just should be able to merge.
[07:11] <smb> After all multipath had the same problem there.
[07:14] <lifeless> smb: common max?
[07:14] <lifeless> smb: is request a larger unit of work ?
[07:15] <smb> I mean the maximum size of a bio all the mirror paths/drives can handle. Yes, request is a set of bios
[07:17] <smb> Normally for a request queue the elevators can merge bios into an existing request if it is adjacent. But for the bio based mapping there is no such thing
[07:17] <lifeless> smb: I've replied; I appreciate the feedback; I guess I think further fiddling isn't likely to have much impact - the kernel is merging the bios on the targets post mapping
[07:17] <lifeless> smb: hmm, they are definitely being merged
[07:18] <lifeless> Device:         rrqm/s   wrqm/s     r/s     w/s    rkB/s    wkB/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz   await r_await w_await  svctm  %util
[07:18] <lifeless> sda            3854.60     0.80  270.00    5.40 16498.40    21.60   119.97     0.14    0.50    0.43    4.07   0.43  11.80
[07:18] <lifeless> 3854 -> 270
[07:18] <smb> Did you see that? Cause iirc going through the device-mapper bio mapping was past the queues and so no merging was done
[07:19] <lifeless> dm-1              0.00     0.00 4124.60    6.20 16498.40    21.60     8.00     1.34    0.33    0.32    3.23   0.03  11.80
[07:19] <lifeless> is the raid1 device
[07:20] <lifeless> so it got 4K reads, which all got mapped, then 3.8K were merged into the other 270
[07:22] <lifeless> bbiab, cooking dinner
[07:22] <smb> Hm seems like. Yeah.
[07:23] <smb> At least dm does no queue here, so merging is not done before sending it down a path
[07:34] <lifeless> smb: its pretty efficient on sequential IO:
[07:34] <lifeless> sda           25616.80     0.00 1816.60    1.80 109734.40     6.40   120.70     1.06    0.59    0.57   17.78   0.41  74.20
[07:34] <lifeless> dm-1              0.00     0.00 27368.00    1.80 109472.00     6.40     8.00    14.99    0.55    0.55   17.78   0.03  74.00
[07:34] <lifeless> 100MB/sec out of the drive
[07:35] <smb> Well yes, just thought in the past the bios would just get passed on behind a dm device. But it could have changed. Your sda is also only used for that raid, right?
[07:35] <lifeless> dd from the drive gets:
[07:35] <lifeless> 131072000 bytes (131 MB) copied, 1.07633 s, 122 MB/s
[07:36] <lifeless> yeah, its a raid 1+0 ICH10R
[07:36] <lifeless> so sda and sdb are raid1 together
[07:36] <lifeless> sdc and sdd are raid1 together
[07:36] <lifeless> and dm1 and dm3 are striped together into dm5
[07:36] <lifeless> dm5 is what gets partitioned etc
[07:38] <lifeless> so without the patch, sequential IO + interactive IO is a bit poor
[07:38] <smb> Ok, so merging at least happens on the backing devices. Just not for the mirror target which then can pass bios to both sides without caring whether they are mergeable
[07:38] <lifeless> with it deals better
[07:38] <lifeless> smb: yeah, thats my observation
[07:38] <smb> Isn't the current code doing no read balance at all?
[07:39] <lifeless> correct
[07:39] <smb> Ok, so I read the old one correctly. :)
[07:39] <lifeless> which is why sequential IO + interactive IO is bad :)
[07:39] <lifeless> because you die from seeks
[07:39] <smb> Right, it works around not merging but misses the oportunity of using a second source
[07:40] <lifeless> my patch avoids that some of the time - when the IO distance is reasonable
[07:40] <lifeless> smb: I did try two sources for sequential IO
[07:40] <lifeless> smb: if you get it wrong, its way worse ;)
[07:40] <smb> I can believe that
[07:40] <smb> Would basically break up the chance for merging
[07:41] <lifeless> exactly
[07:41] <lifeless> so I think the heuristic I'm add is valuable even if we add a merge method
[07:41] <lifeless> or request handling
[07:41] <lifeless> IMBW :)
[07:42] <smb> Just my gut feeling is that, when asking upstream, they will point at how multipath went to request based mapping and that avoids the need for heuristics
[07:44] <smb> In the simplest form (before having the rq_map) they just used the same path x times and then switched in a round-robin balancer
[07:44] <smb> Was not bad but had exactly the same issue of being dumb about possible merges
[07:48] <smb> lifeless, But that is my personal feeling. You certainly can get more accurate feedback from dm-devel. My knowledge there has become a bit rusty from not looking all the time
[07:57] <lifeless> smb: ok, thats good to know
[07:58] <lifeless> smb: I think I'll wait for them to say that; if multipath knew that writes had to go to all devices, we could just have multipath layered in the mix
[08:01] <smb> lifeless, Yeah, though for multipath it is actually the other way. Writes do go to all devices as it is really only one. Just there are multiple way to reach. The problem there is more that on the other end there may be a stupid handler or transport is more efficient in bulk
[08:02] <lifeless> right, I meant 'transmit on all paths
[08:02] <lifeless> '
[08:02] <lifeless> because raid1 is 'write to all read from one + a bitmap for region synchronisation'
[08:04] <smb> Right, different use cases.  But there is one patch in the past which introduces the rq_map stuff in the past and it did not look too terrible. It might be a source to look at.
[08:05] <smb> f40c67f0f7e2767f80f7cbcbc1ab86c4113c202e
[08:57] <apw> ppisati: have you created bugs for the two new CVEs yet?  i would like to test some scripting on them if not
[08:57] <apw> (ie. i want to make them)
[08:57] <apw> but i don't trust launchpad to find them
[09:03] <ppisati> apw: which one?
[09:03] <ppisati> ah
[09:03] <apw> 2011-1770
[09:04] <ppisati> nope
[09:04] <apw> and 2011-2484
[09:04] <ppisati> nope
[09:04] <apw> cool, i'll sort them out then thanks
[09:04] <ppisati> din't notiche them (yet)
[09:59] <apw> ppisati: has anyone pointed you at the new page with the open CVEs on it, the bug view: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-cves.html
[10:01] <apw> this is the first proto-type of an incoming queue for us, once kees starts making the bugs
[10:02] <smb> Yet another one... But I guess that one goes with the bugs and will get us rid of supertracker
[10:02] <apw> smb, yeah its about getting rid of the tracker, and about the fack stupid launchpad searches do NOT work
[10:03] <apw> ppisati, you must teach me how you find a CVE bug in launchpad.  even when i have just opened one and i know its number i cannot find it using traditional searches ... it makes NO sense
[10:10] <apw> smb, can you find the bug for CVE-2011-1070 ?
[10:10] <ubot2> apw: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1070)
[10:10] <apw> bug #806375
[10:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 806375 in linux-ti-omap4 "CVE-2011-1770" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806375
[10:11] <apw> that bug is New in linux but i cannot get a search on linux bugs to find it
[10:14] <smb> hm
[10:14] <apw> i am being told its "the hyphens"
[10:15] <smb> So you are trying to search the number and they fail ... bah
[10:16] <smb> how useful is that...
[10:18] <smb> No don't know how to do it. Stripping of the CVE part and only using numbers gives you completely unrelated bugs
[11:10] <aroth> hi, i found the following kernel bug: http://paste.ubuntu.com/638832/
[11:10] <aroth> how should i proceed?
[11:22] <bliss> that's a fairly short list of CVE bugs
[11:23] <bliss> not complete, i suppose?
[11:23] <bliss> i'd expect CVE-2011-2497 and CVE-2011-2213 to be unfixed so far
[11:23] <ubot2> bliss: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-2497)
[11:23] <ubot2> bliss: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-2213)
[11:24] <bliss> very helpful ubot2, thanks :p
[12:32] <apw> bliss, nope its likely incomplete currently
[12:33] <bliss> i'll have to give you guys some more to work on ;-)
[12:33] <bliss> can't have the ubuntu kernel team getting bored
[12:35] <bliss> off to work, later
[13:08] <neuro_sys> jeroen tel vs. piper fawn
[13:34]  * apw wanders out for a bit, some fresh air is required
[14:31]  * apw notes it is windy out
[14:32]  * tgardner steps out for an appt. back in a couple hours
[14:44] <brendand> bjf - is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/802554 really still being verified? i thought i saw an email from sconklin last week saying it could be tested?
[14:44] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 802554 in linux "linux: 2.6.32-33.69 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[14:49] <bjf> herton, ^
[14:50] <herton> brendand: yes, everything on lucid seems verified, I'll check and set it to fix released
[14:52] <brendand> herton - thanks,
[14:52] <bjf> apw, irc meeting scripts updated and pushed
[14:52] <apw> bjf were we missing a bit ?
[14:53] <bjf> apw, yup, fixed
[14:53] <apw> other than the little hickup everything else went well, we found all the reports in the end and added to the README
[14:54] <herton> brendand: done, you can assign yourself on the bug and start working etc.
[14:55] <bjf> apw, all pages have been updated and email sent, i think it's a wrap
[14:55] <apw> bjf, thanks for that
[14:55] <bjf> np
[14:55] <apw> everytime you are away we get closer to it working :)
[14:58] <bjf> apw, as "punishment" for getting my upload rights, it looks like I now get to do "patch pilot", i've been assigned dates
[14:58] <apw> bjf, indeed so :/
[14:58] <apw> bjf, we ussually use that to review the incomng bugs in linux with patches
[14:59] <bjf> apw, ack, that was my plan
[14:59] <bjf> apw, i believe that is what we agreed to in dallas
[14:59] <apw> bjf, indeed so, and its actually been pretty good at finding real patches to apply
[17:35] <herton> bjf: do you know/remember if someone from kernel team must verify tracking bugs, or can we set verification -> fix released for bug 795153
[17:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 795153 in linux-mvl-dove "linux-mvl-dove: 2.6.32-417.34 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/795153
[17:36] <herton> I mean, verify *arm* tracking bugs
[18:06]  * tgardner --> lunch
[18:07] <cking> when tgardner goes to lunch it reminds me I should be finishing up for the day
[18:08] <apw> bjf, could you remind me where the documentaiton on how to upload one of these puppies is?  i need the switch to make it use lucid
[18:09] <bjf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/StableReleaseCadence
[18:09] <bjf> apw, ^ bottom of the page


[02:36] <charlie-tca> One more re-spin of the Beta1 candidates tonight. There is a fix to parted to make it work on Mac systems
[03:42] <charlie-tca> release notes added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview
[03:42] <charlie-tca> Good night
[14:16] <charlie-tca> Unit193: someone needs to test the Lubuntu alternate images today
[14:22] <charlie-tca> images dated 0901 are working. These will be published for the Beta1 release
[14:23] <charlie-tca> Thanks go to everyone involved for making this milestone work!
[14:57] <charlie-tca> pleia2: release news - http://2tu.us/3h8b
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Beta1 freeze lifted now
[15:38] <micahg> is it warmer in here? :P
[15:52] <Unit193> charlie-tca: We/they had a tester called Lance, but I'll add that to Xubuntu ones
[15:53] <charlie-tca> jibel ran them, so they are done. Images are being published as soon as the hit the mirrors today
[15:54] <Unit193> jibel is someone on the release team?
[15:59] <pleia2> charlie-tca: ready to be posted?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> jibel is the main testing guy for QA
[16:00] <charlie-tca> pleia2: yes, it should be ready
[16:00] <charlie-tca> release is not official yet, though
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Probably two more hours to make it official, testing is done, waiting for mirrors, I think
[16:03] <charlie-tca> I cheated and put the release notes in the news thing this time
[16:08] <pleia2> ok, I've htmlized it, I'll post whenever we're ready
[16:08] <Unit193> Seems to be missing a few tests, or am I reading it wrong?
[16:09] <charlie-tca> yes, it is missing some
[16:09]  * Unit193 picks alt entire, easy as 1, 2, 3
[16:09] <charlie-tca> Since most of the tests on yesterdays images, today's testing is spotty
[16:10] <charlie-tca> There was a late fix to partitioning that applied to all images, to allow those who install to a mac would not corrupt the drives
[16:11] <Unit193> Well, I'm syncing both (or all 4 if you really want to know)
[16:14] <charlie-tca> That's good. I ran out of energy to keep testing them today
[16:17] <charlie-tca> It was a bit frustrating, when, at 8:00 PM local time, I found every image would be re-built again, and please try to have them tested as soon as they get done... :(
[16:18] <charlie-tca> I almost did not allow them to build the xubuntu images
[16:18] <charlie-tca> They agreed spot testing would be okay today
[16:20] <Unit193> I was going to do one or two yesterday, but computer that can handle it (mostly) crashed
[16:22] <charlie-tca> I did all of them yesterday, and the day before, and the day before that, too
[16:23] <charlie-tca> But, that too is just part of being the tester for Xubuntu :)
[16:23] <Unit193> Well, I try, but I can only run one at a time
[16:24] <charlie-tca> heh, yeah, I run two computers steady just to test those images
[16:24] <charlie-tca> My connection won't allow more than that now
[16:25] <charlie-tca> It was a lot easier when I could run 4 hardware machines, and 4 VBox machines at one time
[16:28] <charlie-tca> jarnos: does any operating system use different icons for mounted vs unmounted drives?
[16:32] <Unit193> Another issue, Vbox killed the computer on opening it again
[16:33] <charlie-tca> really?
[16:33] <Unit193> Second time, I'll try it again, but in a different way
[16:34] <Unit193> Third time. I could try it on this P4 though
[16:35] <charlie-tca> sounds like you made VBox angry?
[16:37] <Unit193> Yeah, this isn't good as it doesn't even OPEN
[16:38] <Unit193> Going to close everything out on this computer so it might be able to handle VBox
[16:43] <jarnos> charlie-tca, I don't know. Thunar does, but the difference is not big enough, IMO.
[16:46] <jarnos> charlie-tca, I want to know by glance, if my removable drive is mounted or not. Actually a drive is not (software) mounted, but partitions in the drive may be.
[16:47] <astraljava> Hey guys, sorry I've been busy with Studio stuff for the past few days. Anything urgent needs to be done this way?
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Nope, nothing urgent today
[16:49] <charlie-tca> just waiting for the milestone to release now
[16:50] <astraljava> Okay, sounds good.
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Going cut the "too long already" grass now
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Can anyone try the oem or free-software installs using the images dated today?
[19:18] <plantoschka> beta1 out yet?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> not yet
[19:19] <charlie-tca> couple of hours yet
[19:20] <micahg> wow, cutting it close...
[19:21] <charlie-tca> heh, lucky to get it in today
[19:22] <plantoschka> :)
[21:38] <charlie-tca> Beta1 released; pleia2
[21:38] <charlie-tca> pleia2: can you post the news article now?
[21:56] <pleia2> charlie-tca: working on now :)
[21:57] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/node/49
[21:57] <charlie-tca> Thank you!
[21:58] <charlie-tca> This one took a lot of effort on everyone's part to actually get out.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> knome: Thanks for the new logo. It is on the beta1 cd's
[22:16] <knome> np
[22:50] <pleia2> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-11-10-Beta-1-219855.shtml
[22:50] <pleia2> "and a very nice new Plymouth boot splash screen" :D
[22:51] <charlie-tca> w00t!
[22:52] <charlie-tca> That's pretty neat
[22:54] <charlie-tca> I was tired when I wrote the release notes. They seem a bit wordy still, but maybe they will generate excitement, too.
[22:56] <raevol> woo saw the xubuntu beta 1 announcement on planet ubuntu :)
[22:56] <raevol> oh, old news i see -_-
[23:07] <charlie-tca> hm, I have to run my updates tonight for oneiric on this computer. I will be back after it decides to boot again :)
[23:08] <charlie-tca> raevol: it is good to know someone read it!
[23:08] <raevol> :D
[23:43] <Olbi> thx for changes, creating news on my portal :D
[23:46] <charlie-tca> ;)


[00:26] <flexiondotorg> ubuntu-mate-artwork-16.04.8 is in proposed and fixes that.
[00:26] <flexiondotorg> #shit
[00:26] <flexiondotorg> Getting confused on release day.
[00:29] <nicklas_> hello. im trying to remove two keys with apt-key, but they refuse to go away. any pointers?
[00:29] <pavlos> thanks ... I'll wait for the .8
[00:38] <carverharrison> =-8
[00:38] <carverharrison> keyboard fell on ground
[01:46] <felisa> hi... just giving this ubuntu mate 17.04 a try out..
[01:48] <felisa> looks great!
[01:49] <felisa> bye for now...
[01:51] <maira> oi...
[03:05] <mate|63216> hey guys - having a vpn conundrum
[03:05] <mate|63216> hoping some 1 knows something...
[03:05] <mate|63216> simple situation - PPTP vpn server
[03:06] <mate|63216> worked fine about a month ago
[03:06] <mate|63216> works fine from windows
[03:06] <mate|63216> but now on ubuntu it keeps telling the disconnected because the vpn service stopped
[03:07] <mate|63216> google gives me direct hits- so many others have experienced the same
[03:07] <mate|63216> but there are no solutions listed
[03:08] <mate|63216> some say add secure setting (no change)
[03:08] <mate|63216> others say it just started working again
[03:08] <mate|63216> any of u experienced similar??
[03:23] <nomic> mate|63216 ask on ubuntu forums .. also .. #ubuntu
[03:24] <nomic> this #ch not that busy all time
[03:24] <nomic> forums v busy
[03:28] <mate|63216> thnx nomic
[03:28] <cannaman> nomic Ubuntu forums busy?
[03:29] <mate|63216> hoping for a quick fix, will re open the posts i found if nothing here ;)
[03:33] <cannaman> I see
[03:33] <cannaman> Anyone know how to install Android Studio in Ubuntu Mate?
[03:33] <cannaman> Getting an error code
[03:33] <cannaman> Nomic?
[03:33] <cannaman> Unable to run mksdcard SDK tool.
[03:33] <cannaman> One common reason for this failure is missing required libraries
[03:33] <cannaman> Please fix the underlying issue and retry.
[03:38] <nomic> erm
[03:39] <nomic> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28847151/unable-to-install-android-studio-in-ubuntu
[03:40] <cannaman> nomic - Tried those
[03:40] <cannaman> nomic - erm?
[03:40] <cannaman> nomic - Always Google first :D
[03:55] <nomic> im no expert on installing android.. I just install the CLI stuff, not 'studio'
[03:55] <nomic> this place not busy .. go to forums
[03:55] <nomic> post topic in relevant section -- is efficient as you sleep on it ... include all messages, software versions
[03:55] <nomic> you are installing this studio using a  clean install of mate?
[03:55] <nomic> ie. nothing has become unstable
[03:59] <cannaman> nomic - Define unstable?
[04:00] <cannaman> nomic - I'll try UbuntuForums I guess.
[04:00] <nomic> you have not installed anything else that inteferes with it .. have not played around with the install
[04:00] <nomic> or #ubuntu
[04:00] <nomic> you need to track back error messages
[04:00] <nomic> it stops, there is always a message
[04:00] <nomic> the google post ..
[04:01] <nomic> for the installation of android studio, there are 'prerequisites'  something is missing
[04:01] <nomic> mksdcard is missing
[04:01] <nomic> 'install mksdcard' ?
[04:01] <nomic> dunno what it is
[04:02] <cannaman> nomic - Ok
[04:03] <cannaman> nomic - thanks
[04:03] <nomic> do you need the full "studio"
[04:03] <nomic> you can install android tools
[04:03] <nomic> = minimal
[04:03] <nomic> if it is to get something else working
[06:31] <nomic> z.z.z.z
[09:33] <dennis_> hallo, spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[10:52] <mate|9973> hi.how to add custom ppa to  software boutique ?
[10:54] <mate|9973> ?
[12:48] <mcphail> Hello. On 16.04, is the calendar on the clock widget supposed to be functional? It allows me to click on dates, but does not display or edit any events.
[12:52] <mcphail> Unity on 16.04 has the same problem, but the calendar widaget becomes functional when Evolution is installed. Evolution doesn't seem to help with the Mate widget
[13:42] <sixwheeledbeast> Functional?
[13:46] <mcphail> sixwheeledbeast: I can click on dates, but this does not allow me to add or view events
[13:46] <sixwheeledbeast> Oh I see what you mean events
[13:46] <sixwheeledbeast> don't believe it has that functionality
[13:47] <mcphail> sixwheeledbeast: hmm. Then having clickable dates is abug
[13:48] <sixwheeledbeast> I wouldn't say so, I use that if I am looking back to check a day/date etc
[13:48] <ouroumov_> Yeah, I don't think it's a bug either.
[13:48] <mcphail> sixwheeledbeast: what does clicking on a day actually do? It highlights the day, as if it _should_ achieve something but doesn't
[13:50] <sixwheeledbeast> Maybe there is a plan for a plugin or calendars in the future. At the moment if I need to look for a date I will select the day and scroll back on the month the day is highlighted
[13:50] <ouroumov_> mcphail, you can submit a feature request on github if you want some new features. At this point filing a bug against this will probably be classed opinion / whishlist
[13:52] <mcphail> ouroumov_: fair enough. Will do
[13:52] <ouroumov_> Btw I've just checked and it's the same behavior on 17.04 w/ MATE 1.18
[13:52] <mcphail> That's just what I was going to ask! Cheers ouroumov_
[13:52] <ouroumov_> ^^
[13:56] <mcphail> ouroumov_: where's the best place to submit? linuxmint/mate on github or ubuntu-mate on launchpad?
[13:58] <sixwheeledbeast>  calendar-window.c: toplevel window containing a calendar and tasks/appointments, seems there is intention for tasks to be shown
[14:01] <mcphail> sixwheeledbeast: I think this used to work in the old GNOME2 days, but I might be mistaken
[14:03] <sixwheeledbeast> Is there a MATE task planner that would link into the MATE clock applet? Could just be a GTK3 thing that was overlooked?
[14:06] <ouroumov_> mcphail, you should file your feature request upstream
[14:06] <ouroumov_> mcphail, hang on a second while I check what package this is
[14:06] <mcphail> ouroumov_: thanks
[14:07] <ouroumov_> mcphail, it appears to be the clock applet that is a part of the mate-panel code: https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-panel/tree/master/applets/clock
[14:08] <mcphail> That's great. Cheers guys
[14:09]  * mcphail finds https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-panel/issues/480
[14:11] <ouroumov_> Wow
[14:11] <ouroumov_> you were kind of right
[14:12] <mcphail> Always nice to find someone else sharing my pain ;)
[14:13] <ouroumov_> Btw you can post bounties @ bounty source if you want to back this issue
[14:13] <sixwheeledbeast> That will be the place to comment then, rather than opening a new bug.
[14:14] <mcphail> Cool. ta
[14:15] <sixwheeledbeast> I never liked Evolution and always used Thunderbird for mail so never "missed" this to begin with.
[14:15] <mcphail> Yes. Evolution is horrible, but the only way to get calendars working properly in GNOMEish desktops
[14:16] <mcphail> It never actually needs to be opened. Unfortunately, the evolution-data-server minipackage isn't enough
[14:20] <sixwheeledbeast> Would be nice to bring that feature back without depending on evolution at all.
[14:27] <mcphail> sixwheeledbeast: calenders/events are hellishly complex, unfortunately. Timezones, recurring events, online integration etc are all pains to get right. Just about every new calendar implementation spends years getting these things wrong. There is no shame on piggybacking on working code
[14:33] <ouroumov_> Yeah
[14:34] <ouroumov_> Working with time is a hard thing for devs.
[14:51] <sixwheeledbeast> I don't disagree. I am thinking more along the lines of some "shim" into another program
[15:51] <cannaman> I'm having issues installing Android Studio
[15:52] <cannaman> Error Codes Unable to run mksdcard SDK tool.
[15:52] <cannaman> One common reason for this failure is missing required libraries
[15:52] <cannaman> Please fix the underlying issue and retry.
[15:52] <cannaman> Any suggestions?
[15:54] <cannaman> ouroumov_ you Mean actual time or "time" a program? :D
[15:54] <cannaman> ouroumov_ I think everyone could do better managing time.
[15:54] <ouroumov_> No actual time (Hours, Days, Weeks, etc)
[15:54] <ouroumov_> In programs, this is difficult to handle
[15:55] <cannaman> ouroumov_ - I see
[15:56] <cannaman> ouroumov_ - Setting the proper time in apps and software is hard to handle?
[15:56] <ouroumov_> Yes
[15:57] <cannaman> ouroumov_ - I've had issues with it in PHP, I usually just remove it. :)
[15:57] <ouroumov_> Actually, setting the time is easy, what's hard is using that info to derive other "truths"
[15:57] <cannaman> Right
[15:57] <ouroumov_> Such as, what day will it be at T + <number of seconds>
[15:57] <cannaman> Any clue why Android Studio won't install on UbuntuMate?
[15:58] <ouroumov_> Nope, but you're welcome to wait around for someone who knows that stuff or ask on our community forums
[15:58] <cannaman> Guess I'll start a thread on UbuntuForums.org
[15:58] <ouroumov_> No
[15:58] <cannaman> There are specific forum for Ubuntu mate ouroumov_
[15:58] <ouroumov_> Yes
[15:58] <ouroumov_> https://ubuntu-mate.community
[15:58] <cannaman> where?
[15:58] <cannaman> Oh nice
[15:59] <ouroumov_> ^^
[15:59] <cannaman> Thanks for the link ouroumov_
[15:59] <cannaman> I wouldn't use a new gTLD though.
[15:59] <ouroumov_> This one was fitting.
[15:59] <cannaman> Did you see one registry is raising rates from $20 - $10 wholesale to over $300?
[15:59] <cannaman> ouroumov_ Is that your forum?
[16:00] <cannaman> There are no price controls for new domain extensions.
[16:00] <ouroumov_> No. flexiondotorg is the admin (Martin Wimpress)
[16:02] <cannaman> Wonder if flexiondotorg has seen this? http://domainincite.com/21603-schilling-big-price-increases-needed-to-keep-new-gtlds-alive
[16:02] <cannaman> I stick with .com mostly.
[16:02] <cannaman> I have lots of .org domains, a few .net's, .me. and .us. Won't buy any new gTLDs now though.
[16:03] <cannaman> ouroumov_ Yup, .Hosting is going up 3,000% :D
[16:39] <pavlos> I use UM 16.04 and Radiant theme, I keep getting notifications in syslog, /usr/share/themes/Radiant-MATE/gtk-2.0/apps/mate-panel.rc:30: error: invalid string constant "scrollbar", expected valid string constant
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> Some syslogs aim their expectations so high these days... I blame it on them being spoilt as children!
[16:48] <yossi> Hi
[16:48] <ouroumov_> Hi yossi
[16:48] <Guest8491> Does anyone use Windows inside a Virtual Machine in their Ubuntu?
[16:51] <sixwheeledbeast> no I use other linux VM's tho
[16:54] <pavlos> Guest8491, sure I have win7,win10 guests on um host
[16:57] <Guest8491> Cool, I've had Windows 7 on my VM which was working fine, and recently I added a Win10 VM as well.
[16:58] <Guest8491> Unfortunately it is working very slowly, even though I put enough cores/RAM to it.
[16:58] <Guest8491> I'm bugged as to what's the cause of this.
[16:58] <ouroumov_> Corrupted iso?
[16:58] <Guest8491> I doubt it, as it does work properly. Just hangs here and there.
[16:59] <Guest8491> I was wondering if it's something with Win10-ubuntu integration
[16:59] <ouroumov_> No
[17:00] <ouroumov_> Have you killed the bloat in W10? Phone home to NSA, etc
[17:01] <Guest8491> Do you mean the default applications?
[17:01] <Guest8491> NSA spying stuff?
[17:02] <ouroumov_> Yeah, cortana, etc
[17:03] <Guest8491> Yeah I tried. I don't see any resource exhaustion in the OS
[17:03] <Guest8491> That's the oddity.
[17:03] <ouroumov_> I've got a friend that's affected by massive disk I/O and bandwidth usage in W10, starting with no warning apparently. He tells me he's got to kill 14 processes in taskmanager to be able to play again when that happens :/
[17:03] <ouroumov_> hmm
[17:06] <alkisg> Guest8491: run `top` and `dstat` when that happens, to see if it's a resource issue, or just a win10 issue
[17:06] <alkisg> Also you might want to enable disk cache in the vm controller
[17:08] <sixwheeledbeast> Try a seperate clean win10 vm install to compare?
[17:08] <Guest8491> It is a clean install
[17:08] <Guest8491> It was problematic from the very start.
[17:09] <Guest8491> I haven't tried the Virtualbox static harddisk allocation though, do you think it might help?
[17:09] <Guest8491> I'm using dynamic allocation.
[18:24] <cannaman> I posted my issue on the Ubutue Mate forum https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/installing-android-studio-on-ubuntu-mate/12189
[18:29] <ouroumov> Yeah, I saw
[18:30] <ouroumov> I didn't realize you were trying to do that on RPr
[18:30] <ouroumov> RPi*
[18:48] <monitor_> Ola
[18:48] <monitor_>
[19:00] <DarkPsydeLord> ola
[20:03] <Dekkard> can i get a hand ?
[20:04] <Dekkard> doing an upgrade and synaptic and the who thing is stalled on dropbox
[20:41] <Dekkard> doing an upgrade and synaptic and the who thing is stalled on dropbox
[21:00] <ouroumov> Dekkard, hi
[21:00] <ouroumov> I had the same issue once:
[21:00] <Dekkard> really?
[21:00] <Dekkard> im kinda freekin out
[21:01] <ouroumov> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/dropbox-boutique-installer-deadlocked/10976
[21:02] <ouroumov> So I basically had to shutdown at some point.
[21:02] <ouroumov> After that, I ran the fixes from the software boutique (last icon on the right)
[21:02] <ouroumov> And things work good now.
[21:06] <Dekkard> had to kill dpkg
[21:06] <ouroumov> yup
[21:07] <Dekkard> did dpkg reconfigure
[21:07] <Dekkard> and it restarted downloading dropbox.....
[21:07] <ouroumov> Is the download still stuck?
[21:08] <Dekkard> its still going
[21:08] <Dekkard> holy crap.. it just finnished the upgrade
[21:08] <Dekkard> im going to re run apt-get update
[21:09] <Dekkard> from the terminal
[21:13] <Dekkard> gonna try a reboot.. see if its not all broken
[21:50] <cannaman> ouroumov_ What's wrong with RPi2?
[21:50] <cannaman> :D
[22:37] <nicklas_> i used to have a desktop shortcut for netflix via chrome, and that shortcut opened netflix in a separate chrome window with only border and that, kinda like a netflix app. now that firefox supports nerflix fully, i have ditched chrome and watch netflix in firefox. but i cant add a shortcut to netflix, and is it even possible to get netflix in the same way as i had it in chrome?
[22:53] <aaron> hello
[22:55] <parzival> hello
[23:21] <parzival_> hello


[02:51] <Morpheaus> saucy is pretty fun so far :) - luckily bcmwl was fixed quickly...
[08:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:49] <penguin42> Hey BK
[11:55] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[16:45] <twager> Anyone tried a tp-link td-w8951nd router ?
[16:46] <BluesKaj> twager, not linux friendly , most routers are OS agnostic
[16:47] <BluesKaj> correction twager , not linux friendly ?
[16:47] <twager> BluesKaj: I need a new router fast and that looked pretty cheap..Says ok for linux on the box >
[16:48] <BluesKaj> twager, is it router-modem ?
[16:49] <twager> BluesKaj: adsl I have a thompson at the moment and it is past it's best
[16:51] <BluesKaj> right , what about your ISP , will it approve . twager ?
[16:52] <twager> They are not bothered what I use..but do not want to pay over the top..£60 limit
[16:52] <BluesKaj> some ISP's are difficult to deal with when customers use routers that they can't upgrade the firmware
[16:54] <twager> I could get a router from my ISP but prefer to get my own.
[16:55] <BluesKaj> ok  twager sounds like you have an ISP that is more hardware tolerant than most
[16:55] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Depends; in the UK for ADSL2 most ISPs don't care
[16:56] <twager> They are quite good a tenner a month and no d/load limits
[16:56] <BluesKaj> my ISP supplied me with a 2wire router which runs just fine witn any OS apparently
[16:56] <BluesKaj> most routers are linux based anyway
[16:57] <twager> I ned w/less and 4 lan ports
[16:57] <BluesKaj> right I have no limits for $10 Cdn/mos
[16:58] <BluesKaj> twager, that sounds pretty standard input-wise
[17:00] <twager> Might look at asus or buffalo..
[17:02] <BluesKaj> looks like decent router for the money tho
[17:04] <twager> This router keeps losing connection so I need another whilst I see if I can repair this
[17:09] <BluesKaj> twager, are you sure it's the router and not the network manager settings ?
[17:11] <twager> Sure it is router..one lan port is ok but other 3 will not work and on wireless I see a signal but it tells me I do not have one..
[17:12] <BluesKaj> after upgrading to 13.10 ?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> so the other ports don't work with other pcs connected'
[17:22] <twager> No they do not but if plugged into port 4 they are ok
[17:23] <twager> BluesKaj: Will take it downtomorrow and see what I can do..
[17:24] <twager> will let you know what I find....cul
[19:58]  * penguin42 thinks about upgrading his main machine to SS - what's the current state?
[22:50] <bjsnider> penguin42, i think right now it's not advisable. my gnome-mplayer ppa has build failures due to missing build-deps in ss. not much has been copied over
[22:51] <penguin42> thanks


[20:14] <Volkard> Do you count the fightings within the Kalmar Union as Danish-Swedish wars or not?
[20:16] <Volkard> also how far east did the Vikings go?


[00:11] <emmajane> question about bzr... how do I know what the name of the package is that I want to download to fix up?
[00:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> emmajane, pardon?
[00:12] <emmajane> I found an error in the documentation that I'd like to fix.
[00:12] <emmajane> I will need the XML files so that I can edit them and submit a patch.
[00:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam, it should link to instructions
[00:14] <emmajane> I've read that. it gives a sample, but I don't understand how to find the specific document that I want to fix.
[00:14] <emmajane> it gives a kde example...
[00:14] <emmajane> I have a different page I want to fix.
[00:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> so have you done a bzr checkout?
[00:14] <emmajane> previously for different documents, yes.
[00:14] <emmajane> but I was told which package to download.
[00:15] <emmajane> This time I just have a URL that I want to fix, but I don't know how to download the related XML files.
[00:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you want to provide a patch to the documentation you'll need to do it on the bzr source, the shipped documentatino wont change, other then translations afaik
[00:15] <emmajane> yes....
[00:16] <dsas> emmajane: you probably want one of the -hardy bzr branches on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc/+branches
[00:16] <dsas> which one depends on what variant the bug is on edubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu
[00:17] <emmajane> do I have to download the whole thing though? when I got the accessibility pages there was a sub-set that I downloaded.
[00:17] <emmajane> https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/internet/C/troubleshooting.html
[00:17] <emmajane> that's the page I want to fix.
[00:17] <emmajane> I don't know how to translate that page into the right location for the source files though.
[00:19] <emmajane> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EasyBazaar is the instructions I used last time to checkout the source. the kubuntu stuff was replaced with a different [branch?] name.
[00:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> kgoetz@wesnoth:~/public_html/ubuntu-doc$ find ./ -name troubleshooting*
[00:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ./ubuntu-hardy/ubuntu/internet/C/troubleshooting.
[00:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ./ubuntu-hardy/ubuntu/internet/C/troubleshooting.xml
[00:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> even.
[00:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> afk 15 min.
[00:20] <emmajane> um.
[00:20] <emmajane> The last time I downloaded documentation I only grabbed a sub-set.
[00:20] <emmajane> (see above)
[00:21] <emmajane> so this command doesn't help me, I don't think.
[00:21] <emmajane> surely we documentation people can give one another better instructions than this? :)
[00:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you havent checked out the ubuntu internet section, you will need to if you want to edit that xml file
[00:22] <emmajane> YES
[00:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> *or* download it directly (if you can, i'm not sure though)
[00:22] <emmajane> how do I do that?
[00:22] <emmajane> The instructions say, "Locate the branch that you would like to work on. " I don't understand how to do this part of the instructions.
[00:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[00:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> really afk for 15 min
[00:23] <dsas> emmajane: you locate via the link I gave above. (Though yes, that page could be slightly clearer)
[00:23] <dsas> as for just checking out one or two file, I didn't know that was possible.
[00:24] <emmajane> the EasyBazaar gives the instructions for it and recommends it against checking out the whole tree because that takes a long time (IIRC that was the logic)
[00:25]  * emmajane looks at the link again. I click on "ubuntu-hardy   Current development focus"
[00:25] <emmajane> and get a list of revisions...
[00:25] <emmajane> with a URL at the top...
[00:25] <emmajane> hm.
[00:26] <emmajane> last time I downloaded just: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-hardy
[00:27] <dsas> ah, those are the gnome docs + ubuntu alterations. you want the ubuntu-hardy branch listed on that page.
[00:28] <dsas> oh sorry, you've got that far already
[00:28] <emmajane> :)
[00:29] <emmajane> ok, I think I've found the files... from the URL you first gave me you have to click on "browse code"
[00:29] <dsas> the quickest way as far as I remember is to do a lightweight checkout using http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy url
[00:29] <emmajane> and then you can wander around and find the exact file...
[00:29] <emmajane> where URL is local dir?
[00:30] <dsas> the command is bzr checkout --lightweight http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy localdir
[00:30]  * emmajane nods
[00:31] <dsas> you can browse the code online via the link on the left
[00:32] <emmajane> downloading now, thanks!!
[00:33] <emmajane> next question: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/internet/C/troubleshooting.html open "Device Manager" ... in my 7.10 it's System -> Preferences -> Hardware Information
[00:34] <emmajane> there's no such thing as "Device Manager" in the System menu. is that true for you as well?
[00:34] <dsas> that bug has been reported and fixed in bzr I believe.
[00:34] <emmajane> hm. I searched for it, but maybe I'm not searching correctly either...
[00:36] <emmajane> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=device+manager+documentation&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target=
[00:40] <dsas> bug 141941 perhaps
[00:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141941 in zope2 "KeywordIndex and FieldIndex subclassing" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141941
[00:40] <dsas> bug 141491 even
[00:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141491 in ubuntu-docs "ubuntu-docs internet string 24 - Device manager is under Preferences not Administration" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141491
[00:40] <emmajane> cool that it's fixed. what was wrong with my search that it didn't find the bug?
[00:41] <dsas> the bug report doesn't include the string "device manager documentation"
[00:42] <dsas> (I found the bug by checking the changelog)
[00:42] <emmajane> it's not smart enough to just do BOOLEAN "OR" searching?
[00:44]  * dsas shrugs
[00:45] <emmajane> ok. So let's pretend it wasn't fixed and I still wanted to find the file...
[00:45] <emmajane> I went to: /ubuntu/internet/C/troubleshooting.xml
[00:45] <emmajane> sorry full URL: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/ubuntu-hardy/annotate/asommer70%40gmail.com-20080108215830-oiy3me2cd15s9byf?file_id=4337%401e033ed4-87e8-0310-8703-d68c7bbd86c9%3Atrunk%3Aubuntu%252Finternet%252FC%252Ftroubleshooting.xml
[00:45] <emmajane> gah
[00:45] <dsas> right
[00:45] <emmajane> I followed the links in the "browse code" and found that file.
[00:46] <emmajane> but that file doens't match: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/internet/C/troubleshooting.html
[00:46] <emmajane> so now I'm back to my original question: how would I find the source file for that Internet page?
[00:46] <jjesse_> the source would be in the bzr branch
[00:47] <emmajane> "browse code" is the source files though...
[00:47] <jjesse_> hold on getting caught up w/ scroll
[00:47] <dsas> emmajane: right, that file on lp is the development version, the help.ubuntu.com file is the released 7.10 version. it's been modified.
[00:47] <jjesse_> dsas is correct
[00:47] <emmajane> but it's *completely* different.
[00:48] <jjesse_> emmajane thats because people have been working on making changes to it
[00:48] <jjesse_> everything oon help.ubuntu.com is frozen in place for the life of the documentation
[00:48] <jjesse_> and on launchpad is the developmental version
[00:49] <emmajane> so when my friend (who's just installed Ubuntu for the first time) calls me in a panic because he's missing a "Device Manager" found on that Web page I gave you... I, um, have to tell him that the online docs for 7.10 will never match his system?
[00:50] <jjesse_> if you wanted to look at the source of what is in 7.10 it is found http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/gnome-user-docs/ubuntu-gutsy/files
[00:50] <jjesse_> emmajane: what probablly happened is there was a bug reported and it got fixed
[00:50] <jjesse_> but we don't do stable release updates for documents that i am aware of
[00:51] <emmajane> but I got an engineer to READ documentation!
[00:51] <emmajane> and it's going to always be wrong?
[00:51] <jjesse_> yay for engineers reading documentation
[00:51] <emmajane> totally yay!! :)
[00:51] <jjesse_> emmajane: it will be updated in the next release
[00:52] <jjesse_> as it is changed in the bzr branch
[00:52] <emmajane> 7.10 docs will too, or just the 8.04 docs?
[00:52] <jjesse_> emmajane: i think we don't do stable release updates for documents
[00:52] <jjesse_> would have to double check with mdke or something
[00:52] <emmajane> bad documentation is just wrong.
[00:52] <jjesse_> emmajane: i agree
[00:53] <emmajane> good :)
[00:53] <emmajane> can I register a complaint somewhere? :)
[00:53] <jjesse_> sure
[00:53] <emmajane> excellent... where? :)
[00:53] <jjesse_> mailing list
[00:53] <emmajane> kay
[00:54] <jjesse_> ask there if we do updates for documents  that have already been released
[00:54] <emmajane> yup
[16:03]  * marcx is away: Gone away for now.
[19:09]  * marcx_away is back.
[19:48] <cdm10> I'm wondering how the documentation team maintains the application documentation in Yelp... I'd like to contribute, but I'm not sure how to get started.
[19:49] <posingaspopular> cdm10: you can check out the getting started page
[19:49] <posingaspopular> http://www.mdke.org/?p=67
[19:49] <cdm10> ok
[19:49] <posingaspopular> oops i think it's the other one...
[19:49] <posingaspopular> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam