[13:56] <cjp256> if anyone has the cycles, can I get a review on 4560? I have one more queued up after it I'd like to get in for 23.4 if possible
[14:08] <Guest99> Can I use cloud-init to completly auto install a server image? I have deployed a python http server on port 3003 and created the user-data and meta-data files and placed them in the www directory. I can see that when I boot up qemu that it sees the http server and gives a 200 on the user-data and meta-data files yet when I watch over a SPICE
[14:08] <Guest99> terminal it always gets stuck on the first step which is select your language/locale/keyboard I've tried some many different combinations of user-data and I even did the installer manually and then grabbed the installer user-data file out of the /var/log/autoinstall directory and tried it with that and still it gets stuck on that same bit. Im kinda
[14:08] <Guest99> lost on where to go from here debuggin wise have you got any tips or help to aid me in the right direction?
[14:44] <minimal> Guest99: from the reference to /var/log/autoinstall i'm guessing you're using ubuntu server, is that correct?
[15:47] <blackboxsw> cjp256: will grab it today.
[15:49] <dbungert> Guest99: one common problem that people run into is that if you're sending autoinstall via cloud-config, it has to be under an autoinstall top level keyword - double check that https://canonical-subiquity.readthedocs-hosted.com/en/latest/intro-to-autoinstall.html
[15:50] <blackboxsw> Guest99: how are you providing the URL to your system? I'm presuming kernel cmdline in GRUB with `ds=nocloud-net;s=http://your-service:3003/`?  I'd also expect you provide an "autoinstall" param on the kernel cmdline too to avoid getting prompted for input
[15:50] <Guest99> minimal yeah the server version. Ultimately I'm trying to build a image that is like desktop ubuntu but with a lot of the stuff removed for our medical staff (Nurses) who are placed around the country.
[15:50] <Guest99> I will quickly add it toa paste bin
[15:53] <blackboxsw> Guest99: given you see the GET of user-data and meta-data. I'm just going to guess that the format of the autoinstall config in #cloud-config user-data is not valid and cloud-init doesn't process it in the ephemeral boot of the installer and so the installer doesn't see a processed autoinstall key. One can check by entering the shell via the help menu and `sudo cloud-init query userdata` or
[15:53] <blackboxsw> `sudo cloud-init schema --system`
[15:54] <Guest99> https://pastebin.com/We1yn5nB
[15:58] <Guest99> blackboxsw I will try with your grub string as it's different to mine. I read I would need to escape the ';' so it would look like `ds=nocloud-net\;s=http://your-service:3003/`
[15:58] <Guest99> But I will try without first
[15:59] <minimal> blackboxsw: does the Ubuntu installer support using cloud-init for BOTH doing an install via subquity and THEN using cloud-init with a NoCloud-Net DS also?
[16:01] <blackboxsw> Guest99: yes that is invalid yaml user-data. try running `python3 -c 'import yaml; yaml.safe_load(open("your-userdata.yaml"))'  or `sudo cloud-init schema --system --annotate` and either will show you invalid yaml syntax for user-data
[16:01] <blackboxsw> Guest99: yes that is invalid yaml user-data. try running `python3 -c 'import yaml; yaml.safe_load(open("your-userdata.yaml"))` or `sudo cloud-init schema --system --annotate` and either will show you invalid yaml syntax for user-data
[16:01] <Guest99> Unfortunatly it didn't work. Ahh I see thanks
[16:02] <Guest99> Where should i run the cloud-init schema --system --anaote command? in the www directory with the user-data?
[16:04] <blackboxsw> Guest99: `sudo cloud-init schema --system`  only works on the target machine that has cloud-init installed and active to report the cached user-data processed by cloud-init. Since you already have a host that has cloud-init installed (and failed) you could run `sudo cloud-init schema --config-file <your_yaml_file>` to start seeing errors in config and it'd allow you to quickly change <your_yaml_file> and reattempt validation
[16:05] <blackboxsw> Guest99: so something like `sudo cloud-init query userdata > my_userdata.yaml; sudo cloud-init schema --config-file my_userdata.yaml`
[16:05] <blackboxsw> .. on that qemu system you have
[16:06] <Guest99> Okay thanks! I will give it a go :D
[16:06] <dbungert> Guest99: you have several things that should be under autoinstall and aren't, like source, ssh, storage, updates
[16:07] <dbungert> also line 76 needs an indentation fix
[16:07] <dbungert> minimal: yes, you can use cloud-config to configure the install environment, then have autoinstall, then have more user-data for the target system actually being installed.
[16:08] <blackboxsw> thx dbungert and Guest99 line 8 needs a trailing ":" after primary
[16:19] <blackboxsw> minimal: the Ubuntu installer has two boot stages, "ephemeral"  and "first boot". Ephemeral stages uses cloud-init to detect any viable discovered datasource and consume that userdata which provides config performed during "ephemeral" stage or "autoinstall" config  which performs target system setup such as disk/partition setup etc.
[16:19] <blackboxsw>   The installer then provides supplemental configuration required by "first boot" as DataSourceNone configuration to /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d to setup so cloud-init in that boot stage will only detect DataSourceNone config
[16:22] <blackboxsw> minimal: so ephemeral boot can accept any viable datasource (including nocloud content which could be provided by kernel cmdline or in image in /var/lib/cloud/seed etc or via a mounted device with CIDATA label etc). And that user-data doesn't have to be "autoinstall:" config, but the installer image itself and ephemeral boot stage is designed to take users through the installer prompts to ultimately configure a target vm.
[16:26] <blackboxsw> typically the easiest way to provide that nocloud data is manipulating grub on the cmdline appending cloud-init's ds=nocloud-net params like https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-quickstart and https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/datasources/nocloud.html#method-2-local-filesystem-kernel-commandline-or-smbios
[16:27] <blackboxsw> easy, yet manual.
[16:56] <minimal> which reminds me I need to go back to collect up info/logs to write up an Issue for the NoCloud-Net network handling
[18:22] <meena> is there a way to override a runcmd instance script provided by hetzner? it's basically just: `udevadm trigger -c add -s block -p ID_VENDOR=HC --verbose -p ID_MODEL=Volume` and doesn't work on FreeBSD
[18:23] <rawtaz> i have a really weird problem. using terraform im provisioning a debian 12 image on an openstack (not mine). it uses cloud-init to among other things create one "admin" user (with users:) and put an ed2519 pubkey into that user's authorized_keys (with ssh_authorized_keys: for that user).
[18:23] <rawtaz> the weird thing is that while the instance is provisioned seemingly properly, it's up and has network, only like one third of the times i provision this sucker the authorized_keys are actually populated. which makes me unable to log in on the host in the other two out of three times.
[18:25] <rawtaz> what makes it weird is that this exact setup is not changing at all between when it works and doesnt. the only thing i do betwen reprodutions of the problem is to `terraform destroy` and then clean all terraform files, and then i start over with a new `terraform init` followed by apply. so its literally the exact same thing running every time. yet, sometimes cloud-init does not populate the authorized_keys xD
[18:25] <rawtaz> if anyone recognize any of this symptom, feel free to let me know. im gonna try to change the image used to debian 11 instead, to see if i can isolate it to the openstack provider's debian 12 image.
[18:26] <rawtaz> its just so weird.
[18:27] <rawtaz> ive used this terraform set up with the exact same cloud-init configuration like a year ago, on the same openstack provider, and it worked fine every single time i provisioned an instance (which were a number of times). that suggests it might be debian 12 image used, but its also possible something else changed in their infra since then.
[18:34] <rawtaz> around a year ago or whenever i ran this and it worked fine 100% of the time, cloud-init v. 20.4.1 was used, now it's v. 22.4.2 in case that matters.
[18:35] <minimal> meena: I assume that's coming from their vendor stuff, what if you remove "scripts_vendor" from cloud.cfg's module list? ;-)
[18:36] <meena> I've killed the machine already, but that would make sense.
[18:36] <meena> it's just confusing that we log it as: 2023-11-02 18:14:38,648 - cc_scripts_user.py[WARNING]: Failed to run module scripts_user (scripts in /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts)
[18:36] <meena> cc_scripts_user.py
[18:37] <minimal> rawtaz: have you checked the /var/log/cloud-init.log file when it doesn't work? or can you not SSH in to do that? ;-) Console access instead?
[18:39] <rawtaz> minimal: i have not. im still doing some big picture isolating of low hanging fruit, e.g. making sure i can reproduce it and then trying the old image i know worked before. after that, i might try to get console access (i'll have to remove `ssh_pwauth: false` and set a password for that, effectively changing the cloud-init config, which kind of sucks). i do have console access but cant log in on it due to no password for root
[18:40] <rawtaz> i do however have the logs for the provisioning of the instance, where i see most of the cloud-init and dmesg output. i guess there's a more specific cloud-init log though, i recall.
[18:41] <rawtaz> just to be clear; the symptoms that make me think it's cloud-init not adding pubkey to authorized_keys are: 1) the instance log does not show the "Authorized keys from /home/admin/.ssh/authorized_keys for user admin" output when it doesnt work; and 2) i cant ssh to it, the different methods are exhausted when i try.
[18:43] <rawtaz> question: im of course interested in /var/log/cloud-init.log and /var/log/cloud-init-output.log - is there a setting to enable more verbose debugging in them?
[18:46] <minimal> rawtaz: for cloud-init.log that's controlled by /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/05_logging.cfg
[18:47] <rawtaz> and that is not something i can change with user-data, right?
[18:47] <minimal> basically in "[logger_cloudinit]" section you want level=DEBUG
[18:47] <rawtaz> (i presume it's set in the image that the openstack provider loads when provisioning the instance
[18:48] <minimal> hmm, not sure. Once you get in check it anyway as it might have debugging on alreadt
[18:49] <rawtaz> yeah. thanks :)
[18:51] <minimal> are you referring to "ssh_authorized_keys:" in top-level of user-data or "ssh_authorized_keys:" inside a "users:" section?
[18:52] <blackboxsw> rawtaz: by default cloud-init's log level should be set to DEBUG in most images. And the logs are very very noisy. For network config, openstack cloud-init will typically get network config from network_data.json, it'd be good to 'egrep "Applying network|network_data" /var/log/cloud-init.log' on a failed system as it's possible to see that network_data.json was provided by the openstack API and that cloud-init applied it.
[18:52] <rawtaz> minimal: the latter, under a user in users:
[18:53] <rawtaz> blackboxsw: that's good news :D
[18:56] <minimal> rawtaz: then you'd want to search the cloud-init.log file for "Running module users_groups" and then in that section, when it handles the relevant user~(s), you should see "Writing to /home/XYZ/ssh/authorizedkeys - wb: [600] 99 bytes"
[18:56] <minimal> s/ssh/.ssh/
[18:57] <rawtaz> awesome. i will look for that if i can get myself into the instance after it shows the problem. thank you
[19:04] <blackboxsw> rawtaz: if you are seeing highly repeatable failure on openstack that seems to alternate on a predictable frequency (as in every other launch or every third launch) it's possible that there's a misconfiguration issue in some of the openstack nodes participating in the nova service back plane resulting in invalid data from that service every time round-robin load balancing talks to the "broken" service node.
[19:08] <rawtaz> hmm, good point. but even if that is the case, wouldnt my provisionings compete with other users on the same openstack platform's provisionings, i mean in the round-robin? such that i can never know if i hit the first, second or third round, so to speak, as others interefere all the time.
[21:05] <blackboxsw> rawtaz: good pt. wasn't sure how public/private this openstack deployment is for you.
[21:06] <rawtaz> it's one that is used by many customers. i have no way of knowing when or whether other customers provision at the same time, but i would presume that over a couple of hours i can hardly be the only one.
[21:08] <rawtaz> ive been doing provision after provision now, every time the exact same way so the only difference is time (which varies by at most 30 seconds between each try).
[21:09] <rawtaz> i am unable to reproduce it over six attempts on the debian 11 image with cloud-init 20.4.1 but can reproduce it on the debian 12 image with cloud-init 22.4.2
[21:09] <rawtaz> the bad news is that i have not been able to reproduce it with a slightly altered user-data which sets a password for root so i could get to the logs :(
[21:19] <rawtaz> BEWM! i think i got a reproduction on the debian 12 and with ability to log in (assuming cloud-init correctly set that part of the user-data)
[21:20] <rawtaz> considering the fact that the exact same user-data can result in both success and failure, i'd say that suggests theres something in the openstack. but heck. very inconsistent
[21:21] <blackboxsw> yes agreed, if you are using the same base image, it's either a timing thing with network setup or a timing thing where openstack isn't providing the right network-config info to the VM launched
[21:30] <rawtaz> grr. i cant login with the user that's in my users: in the user-data, neither on the console of the instance nor using  ssh -o PubkeyAuthentication=no -o PreferredAuthentications=password ..
[21:31] <rawtaz> i wonder if it's even created. i might have to see if i can put a root user password in the user-data at a higher level than users: (in case users: isnt processed at all)
[21:43] <rawtaz> i think i found something that might be very relevant. in the failed provisionings, i have "cloud-init[546]: 2023-11-02 16:09:00,377 - cc_final_message.py[WARNING]: Used fallback datasource" right after the "Cloud-init v. 22.4.2 finished" line.
[21:44] <minimal> yeah that doesn't seem good
[21:44] <rawtaz> this warning is not present when provisioning succeeds, and what is described about it at https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/datasources/fallback.html is in line with the symptoms im seeing (parts or all of user-data not being used at all).
[21:44] <blackboxsw> ok yes definitely. `cloud-init status --long` or `cloud-id` should confirm that you are DatasourceNone. So something didn't detect openstack for some reason
[21:45] <blackboxsw> and `cat /run/cloud-init/ds-identify.log` should tell you whether OpenStack  datasource was detected as a maybe or match on the failed runs.
[21:45] <rawtaz> wow, spot on there blackboxsw. the failed ones has Datasource DataSourceNone and the successful ones have Datasource DataSourceOpenStack
[21:46] <blackboxsw> I expect there's a possibility of URL GET retry expiration  in /var/log/cloud-init.log resulting in some message like OpenStack not detected
[21:46] <rawtaz> the thing is i have no idea how i could possibly get into the system. im not aware of a default login/password in this debian image they provision :D
[21:47] <rawtaz> i think you may be right.. i think that with this information the next step would be to talk with the hosting provider about it. is there anything else you think i should do/gather before that?
[21:47] <rawtaz> (without being able to log in to the failed systems)
[21:55] <blackboxsw> rawtaz: you could override default root user with something like this in user-data https://dpaste.com/HLYJM7YZA
[21:56] <blackboxsw> hrm..... n/m yet the prob is that your openstack datasource isn't being detected so user-data isn't passed through nevermind .... thinking again
[21:56] <rawtaz> blackboxsw: the problem seems to be that uer-data isnt processed at all :D
[21:57] <rawtaz> im writing them a mail and will talk with them tomorrow. i have a good feeling that theyll be able to resolve it now that we identified such a specific message :)
[21:57] <rawtaz> it could very well be a round-robin thing, that i cant see a pattern in due to other customers rotating it as well
[22:04] <blackboxsw> sounds good, right, I can't see how you'd otherwise be able to debug it if Openstack isn't detected on some launches unless you created your own snapshot image that defined DataSourceNone configuration in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/90-myds.cfg which provided the cloud-config I mentioned above. Then at least you'd have set the default password if DataSourceNone got detected. Example  https://pastebin.mozilla.org/cx8Xiem3
[22:05] <blackboxsw> #do_not_use_in_production  as it sets a default passwd for root :)
[22:07] <rawtaz> yeah that would have been good. but its too much work, i'd rather they fix the issue for real
[22:07] <rawtaz> haha nice :)
[22:07] <blackboxsw> yep, not your job to sort the openstack config issues
[22:09] <rawtaz> thank you. really, for all the input and help. it was very valuable!
[22:09] <rawtaz> both of you :)
[22:13] <rawtaz> bam, mail done
[22:13] <rawtaz> thats about nine hours of my life i will never get back :/
[22:13] <rawtaz> i had to do other work today, bah


[13:28] <reterterter> !ops
[13:28] <reterterter> is justin bieber going to see selena gomez naked?
[13:29]  * Pricey waves


[08:24] <pavlushka> Almost Morning Kilos !
[08:35] <Kilos> hehe hi pavlushka and others
[08:35] <pavlushka> :)
[08:45] <pavlushka> welcome Tuhin !
[08:46] <Tuhin> Hello
[08:47] <Kilos> QA coffee on
[08:47]  * QA starts grinding coffee
[08:47] <Tuhin> hi Kilos
[08:47] <Kilos> hi Tuhin
[08:47] <pavlushka> QA coffee please
[08:47] <QA> pavlushka: Okay
[08:51] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos and pavlushka!
[08:51] <pavlushka> QA gracious
[08:51] <QA> pavlushka: Excuse me?
[08:51] <Kilos> QA ty
[08:51] <QA> Only a pleasure Kilos
[08:51] <pavlushka> QA gratis
[08:51] <QA> pavlushka: Huh?
[08:51] <pavlushka> QA thanks happy?
[08:51] <QA> no worries, pavlushka
[08:51] <Kilos> does that mean ty pavlushka
[08:52] <Kilos> here gratis means free
[08:52] <pavlushka> Kilos: my bad lol
[08:53] <Kilos> hopefully within a couple of months ibid will be rewritten then you can run one by you and teach it bangla
[08:53] <Kilos> or urdu
[08:54] <pavlushka> haha, will leave the later one for Researcher-
[08:54] <Kilos> he will host it im sure
[08:55] <Kilos>    qa will be upgraded as well and still be qa
[08:56] <pavlushka> Kilos: I meant the Urdu part for Researcher- , :)
[08:56] <Kilos> oh
[15:53] <walrider> Ayyy
[15:54] <walrider> My Android is connected to freenode finally
[15:54] <Kilos> o/
[16:02] <walrider> শু স্বাগতম পাভেল ভায়
[16:02] <pavlushka> walrider: thanks
[16:03] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: হেলু বুলবা না?
[16:05] <walrider> audacius বাই এর অভ্র গেসে গা বলে
[18:12] <Kilos> wb pavlushka
[18:12] <Kilos> everyone on irc has been quiet today
[18:12] <pavlushka> Kilos: thanks
[18:12] <pavlushka> and yes, it looks like
[18:12] <pavlushka> Hello Tuhin__ !
[18:13] <pavlushka> and AudaciousTUX
[18:13] <Tuhin__> hello
[18:13] <pavlushka> How are we?
[18:14] <Kilos> we are alive
[18:14] <Kilos> hehe
[18:14] <Tuhin__> yes
[18:14] <Kilos> i was impressed with you last night Tuhin__
[18:14] <Tuhin__> our gov politicians have proven that they are  "politicians"
[18:14] <Tuhin__> what i did last night
[18:14] <Kilos> your knowlege of isis and cia is rare amonst most people
[18:15] <Tuhin__> ah , i thought some1 might ban me
[18:15] <Kilos> thats what normally happens
[18:15] <pavlushka> lol
[18:15] <Tuhin__> thanks for allowing me
[18:16] <Tuhin__> in a channel based on science , i was banned coz i said i am a muslim
[18:16] <Kilos> i know all about that stuff but one has to be careful where you talk about it or you also become a target for them
[18:17] <Tuhin__> the NWO/TPTB have hired in their spy agencies to monitor and persecute and ban  all truth
[18:17] <Kilos> the whole aim is to make christians and muslims hate each other so there wont be protests when they start wars
[18:17] <Tuhin__> u guys will like the movies "V for Vendetta" "The Equilibrium"
[18:17] <Tuhin__> exactly
[18:18] <Tuhin__> so that muslims and christians kills each other and only devil/lucifer worshipping Jews stays alive and rules the world
[18:18] <Tuhin__> the ISIS thing is only helping Israel
[18:18] <Kilos> yes
[18:18] <Tuhin__> so that muslims and christians kills each other and only devil/lucifer worshipping Jews stays alive and rules the world'Greater ISrael" possible
[18:19] <Kilos> mainly the rich ones like bankers and the council of 300
[18:19] <Tuhin__> yeah they have soo many organizations in which they meet and decide their policy for mankind....
[18:20] <Kilos> we, the little people cant do much about it, they are too powerful
[18:20] <pavlushka> Tuhin__: watched them all, thoughtful movies.
[18:20] <Tuhin__> btw, the NWO guys also are demon/devil/lucifer worshipers
[18:21] <Tuhin__> and they can use demons to take control of humans and cause them to do v v v bad things
[18:21] <Kilos> yes as is the uk queen and family and most usa poloticians
[18:21] <Tuhin__> now we got info that the 5 gulshan killers had "drug" in their system which sounds like "pentagon"
[18:21] <Kilos> theworld is in a bad way
[18:22] <Kilos> even the pope says the world population must be lowered by 6 billion
[18:22] <Tuhin__> all these drugs and also alcohol makes the human body "loose" for the demon to take over and do nasty things
[18:22] <Kilos> pentagon is totally evil
[18:22] <Tuhin__> the pope and the UK queen also said this is the last chritmas...
[18:23] <Tuhin__> dont know what they knows....
[18:23] <Tuhin__> they surely knows what is going to happen
[18:23] <Kilos> not safe to chat here about that stuff
[18:23] <Tuhin__> #information
[18:24] <Tuhin__> ##information
[18:24] <Tuhin__> i missed the #
[18:24] <Tuhin__> Kilos, ##information
[18:25] <Tuhin__> pavlushka,
[18:25] <pavlushka> yes
[18:25] <Kilos> ok im there as well but will lurk only
[18:27] <Kilos> i try not get involved because i want to go see my daughter
[19:04] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX_: তুমি আরেকটা আইডি দিয়ে কেন login করে থাক? what purpose does it serve?
[19:04] <pavlushka> zaki: Hello
[19:05] <Kilos> pavlushka do you know where ashabadi is? has he given up
[19:06] <Kilos> or just very busy
[19:10] <AudaciousTUX_> kisui na actually.... :p
[19:11] <AudaciousTUX_> ekhon abar apache kam kortechena... kopal amar.... grrr :3
[19:12] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: তাইলে কেন খামোখা থাইকাও না থাকা? থাইকা থাক, সেইটাই যথেষ্ট, :p
[19:12] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: sudo service apache restart, কাজ করে না?
[19:12] <zaki> hi everyone. :)
[19:12] <AudaciousTUX_> ow yee... kam korche :3
[19:13] <AudaciousTUX_> udo systemctl restart httpd
[19:13] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: or sudo service apache stop && sudo service apache start,
[19:13] <AudaciousTUX_> systemctl... ami kotokkhon apache diya try korchi :3
[19:13] <AudaciousTUX_> httpd hoibe
[19:14] <pavlushka> hmm
[19:15] <zaki> any Doctor Who lover's here?
[19:15] <pavlushka> zaki: no Doctor is here who's lover's here, :p
[19:16] <AudaciousTUX_> :v
[19:17] <zaki> :3
[19:18] <zaki> i'm talking about a tv show. :(
[19:18] <AudaciousTUX_> :p
[19:18] <pavlushka> zaki: yes, I am making fun of that TV show, ;p
[19:18] <AudaciousTUX_> pavlushka:  dekhen ? :o
[19:19] <pavlushka> na, time paina tv open korer
[19:20] <zaki> টিভি ওপেন করার টাইম আমিও পাইনা। :P
[19:24] <AudaciousTUX_> taile dekhen kemne?? youtube?? :3
[19:25] <zaki> ডাউনলোড করে দেখি।
[19:25] <zaki> টরেন্ট।
[19:41] <pavlushka> Kilos: you asked me a question, sorry I thought I already answered that, :|, no trace of ashabadi so far.
[19:42] <Kilos> eish
[19:42] <Kilos> i should have got his email address
[20:53] <pavlushka> night guys!


[00:28] <xgarlics_> Hi, I have a problem with LibreOffice and its integration with KDE. the libreoffice-kde package only works in certain respects, the dialogs and windows are not integrated and keeps unsightly. libreoffice-gtk with improvement, but gives very annoying "flicker" effect. Is there any solution for this?
[02:50] <RCDeet> is there a special trick to sharing an external drive with samba?
[02:51] <RCDeet> local folders share with no problems
[03:07] <RCDeet> let me rephrase that, what's the trick to get any of the folders or files on an external drive to be shared and actually allow a windows computer to access them?
[03:10] <RCDeet> every time i set permission for the folder, it doesn't save
[03:39] <ubuntuuser> hello. Kubuntu 14.04 is stuck at retrieving file. Is there a problem?
[03:40] <ubuntuuser> Kubuntu 14.04 install
[05:21] <archetech> I cant boot 14.10 x64 kubuntu iso in vbox  host is win8 pro x64 uefi
[05:26] <archetech> nm got it
[06:13] <kyfella> Do any of you fine folks know of a good webcast server that can be installed on top of Kubuntu for business presentations?
[06:17] <nova_> I updated Kubuntu the other night on a vmware install and vmware tools is complaining now that it's modules won't work with kernel 3.10 or later.  Can I roll back the kernel somehow?  I don't have ethernet or internet on it now.
[06:29] <archetech> got 14.10 with kf5-plasma on vbox installed   nice
[06:30] <TheFakeazneD525> archetech: oooh
[06:30] <TheFakeazneD525> tell me how it is
[06:46] <archetech> whats with the "loading initial ramdisk"  hang?
[06:46] <archetech> 14.10
[06:54] <TheFakeazneD525> Might be a problem with the kernel
[08:18] <lordievader> nova_: If headers is all you need, you could download those through launchpad or apt on another machine to a usb stick and then transfer them to the pc in question.
[08:30]  * TheFakeazneD525 slides lordievader a coffee
[08:30] <lordievader> Thanks TheFakeazneD525
[08:40] <nova_> thanks lordievader ill keep that in mind.  I'm still not entirely sure what the root of my problem is....I think networking should work even without vmware tools installed..how else would one get the build dependencies.
[08:41] <nova_> all i really know is my networking stopped networking, no adapter shows up.
[08:52] <lordievader> nova_: What does "lspci -k|grep -A3 Network" give?
[08:53] <nova_> I've reverted to a copy of a 5 month old backup, and so far I've removed vmware tools and installed open-vm-tools, and I've only gotten about as far as being able to see that the screen resolution isn't scaling properly.  1 sec let me try that command and I'll get back to you
[08:53] <nova_> i need to switch back to the borked vm
[08:57] <nova_> lordievader I ran that command, it produced no results
[08:58] <lordievader> nova_: So you have no network adapter.
[08:58] <nova_> that's what it seems like
[08:59] <nova_> i think the vmware tools thing was more of a rabbit i was chasing.
[08:59] <nova_> I'm not sure what made the network adapter vanish
[09:00] <lordievader> nova_: The vmware tools are responsible for the network adapter?
[09:01] <nova_> I'm not sure..I thought they at least enhanced the capabilities of the adapter..but I know you don't have to have tools installed for the adapter to work
[09:03] <lordievader> nova_: I have too litle experience with vmware to know. However it could be that it installs a kernel module. Now if the update contained a kernel update it could be that for that kernel the module is missing.
[09:03] <nova_> I checked the VM settings and the virtual adapter is still there
[09:03] <lordievader> nova_: What type is it?
[09:05] <nova_> as in what is the name of the emulated adapter?
[09:06] <lordievader> nova_: No what type. IRRC you could select different adapter types. What kind of card it tries to emulate.
[09:07] <nova_> yeah im trying to recall how i find that information
[09:10] <nova_> according to this (http://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-55/index.jsp#com.vmware.vsphere.vm_admin.doc/GUID-AF9E24A8-2CFA-447B-AC83-35D563119667.html) it can be e1000, vmxnet, vmxnet2, vmxnet3, etc
[09:11] <nova_> it looks like e1000 is the only adapter type option that has a "real hardware counterpart"
[09:11] <nova_> and that vmxnet0-3 require vmware tools to be installed
[09:13] <lordievader> nova_: Is it set to e1000?
[09:14] <nova_> I haven't found a setting in VMWare Workstation to allows you to choose one way or the other
[09:14] <lordievader> nova_: Hmm, that driver should work out of the box.
[09:14] <nova_> It's not something I've ever really had to fight with..it just worked out of the box with or without vmware tools
[09:15] <nova_> this is a vm that i've used everyday for the last 2 years about
[09:15] <nova_> its seen a couple dist upgrades
[09:19] <lordievader> nova_: Does "grep e1000 /var/log/kern.log" return anything?
[09:20] <nova_> let me try
[09:22] <nova_> it returns nothing
[09:24] <lordievader> nova_: Could you pastebin the output of "dmidecode"?
[09:25] <nova_> i think so let me try...also i should mention im currently using a xubuntu 14.10 VM for IRC here, which is fairly similar to the kubuntu 14.10 for the most part...if theres anything we need to compare between the two
[09:30] <nova_> http://pastebin.com/4muQ67cY
[09:31] <nova_> the usb stick idea worked out well.....sometimes i forget what floppy disks were used for before internets and networking : P
[09:35] <lordievader> I'm not entirely sure but it seems the adapter is not recognized. What happens when you remove it, boot it up, shut it down. Add the adapter again and boot it up again?
[09:36] <nova_> i guess i can try that..it hadn't occured to me to try yet...ill do that and get back to you in a couple minutes
[09:42] <nova_> I shut it down, and removed the virtual adapter, restarted, shut down again, added the adapter again, and restarted...nothing changed unfortunately
[09:43] <lordievader> nova_: Perhaps you should start asking in #vmware ;)
[09:43] <nova_> i also tried "disconnecting/connecting"
[09:45] <nova_> yes perhaps...I just thought I should start here because the trouble happened after a kubuntu update...I havent changed a thing with vmware at all...and as I said I'm using Xubuntu 14.10 with kernel 3.13 as a VM.  Not that any of that rules out some quirk with vmware, but I was thinking it pointed more toward a problem with the update or a hitch in the update process
[09:47] <nova_> I might try updating my 5 month old backup and see if the problem happens again
[09:49] <nova_> Thank you for the assistance though.  I appreciate it.  I'll check back in if I find out anything more.
[09:49] <lordievader> True, but not seeing a sign of the adapter points somewhat towards the vmware part.
[09:49] <lordievader> nova_: Yeah, let me know when you find a fix ;)
[09:49] <nova_> yes...it's almost as if i hit some magic hotkey combo and flipped off the adapter...but as far as i know that doesn't exist....or does it?
[09:51] <lordievader> nova_: Perhaps vmware does have such a key combo?
[09:54] <neomilium> hello
[09:55] <neomilium> I have a (not-so) minor problem using network-manager plasmoid under 14.04
[09:57] <neomilium> Since a previous reboot, I'm not able to view my configured/connected networks in systray icon's left click panel
[09:58] <neomilium> But if I click on preferences, I see all my configured networks, with disconnected status...
[10:00] <neomilium> The worst side effect of this trouble is not to not see directly connected networks but the fact network-manager does not configure my interfaces (ie. at session openning)
[10:01] <neomilium> The only way I found to gain network access is to use CLI tools
[10:01] <neomilium> Does anyone here could help me to debug/fix this trouble ?
[10:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:56] <aoa> Dose anyone how i add longman dict 5th editon to Goldendict
[10:57] <mparillo> nova_: When you say open-vm-tools, did you also try sudo apt-get install open-vm-tools-desktop? I found that made the difference https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+question/251352
[11:19] <natacus> I dont want to use the kde wallete system, is there a way to get KDE IM telepaty IM to save my passwords? The tick box "save password" is greyed out
[11:57] <nova_> mparillo: thank you for the tip I'll keep an eye on that when I try it again
[12:06] <ALS-IT-NET-PC> Hallo, here......okay, good......
[12:30] <nova_> lordievader: I've dist upgraded my backup copy and the networking didn't break, so I'm not sure what went wrong.
[12:43] <rom1504> I've got exactly this issue https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65498-Stop-quot-plasma-desktop-quot-taskbar-button-appearing-after-login
[12:43] <rom1504>  at each login there's a "plasma-desktop" task showing up in the taskbar, and a empty small window in the top-left of the screen
[12:43] <rom1504> it can be closed, but it's annoying
[12:43] <rom1504> I've tried to google it (hence above link) but with not much success
[12:44] <rom1504> any clue how to get rid of that ?
[13:02]  * RedDeath Back
[13:03]  * RedDeath Back
[13:04]  * RedDeath Back
[13:12] <BluesKaj> !away | RedDeath
[13:13] <floown> hello
[13:13] <floown> What's the adress for this ppa https://launchpad.net/~i2p.packages/+archive/ubuntu/i2p/+packages ? Le line command to add it is not given
[13:15] <MoonUnit`> ppa:i2p.packages/i2p
[13:16] <lordievader> nova_: Strange.
[13:18] <BluesKaj> floown, https://launchpad.net/~i2p.packages/+archive/ubuntu/i2p
[13:18] <floown> MoonUnit`: thx
[13:18] <floown> thx BluesKaj
[13:18] <BluesKaj> np
[13:51] <lolmaus> Hi! After a reboot, the following combinations stopped working: Ctrl+Esc (process manager) and Alt+F2 (run). Why and how do i have them back?
[13:51] <lolmaus> It's a pain without them.
[13:54] <lolmaus> I've found the combinations under System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts -> krunner: http://i.imgur.com/p5sTflS.png As you see, they are defined fine!
[13:54] <lolmaus> Oh! I ran `krunner` in console and they started working.
[14:00] <BluesKaj> lolmaus, also update and upgrade again
[15:09] <iceman2160> guys, i messed up my display configuration, i used Display Configuration from system settings, and now wach time i connect my external monitor (HDMI) the external display enters power save, and the laptop's display is blank. I just rotated my external display and now I can't revert it. deleting xorg.conf didn't help either. How can I reset the config? Google search returns just results where ppl have this config reset after rebo
[15:25] <Walex2> iceman2160: various display config tools have their own little config file. So do the 2-3 XRANDR based display configuration tools that KDE has
[15:25] <edward__>  /server irc.rizon.net
[15:27] <edward__>  /server irc.rizon.net
[15:27] <Walex2> iceman2160: what I would do is to get in the text based consoles and run directly 'env DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output LVDS1 --auto --output HDMI1 --auto' to reset the configuration.
[15:27] <edward__>  /server irc.rizon.net
[15:27] <Walex2> iceman2160: alternatively you can delete the KDE Display Manager config file
[16:39] <RCDeet> what's the trick to get any of the folders or files on an external drive to be shared and actually allow a windows computer to access them?
[16:41] <lordievader> RCDeet: How do you mean that?
[16:42] <RCDeet> my local files share with out a problem
[16:42] <RCDeet> every time i set a folder on my external, it sets permission that only the owner has access and everyone else is forbidden
[16:42] <RCDeet> i cant change these permissions
[16:43] <RCDeet> and windows/android devices cant view the files on the external drive but they can view the local files just fine
[16:43] <lordievader> RCDeet: How do you share it with Windows?
[16:43] <RCDeet> i don't
[16:43] <RCDeet> i'm sharing on kubuntu
[16:44] <lordievader> RCDeet: How do you share your files from Kubuntu with Windows.
[16:44] <RCDeet> ah
[16:45] <RCDeet> right click, sharing, everyone gets readonly, owner gets full access
[16:46] <RCDeet> under the permissions it automatically sets the same thing for local files
[16:46] <RCDeet> external get forbidden for everyone
[16:47] <lordievader> RCDeet: So you use Samba. When you open them on Windows do you use any credentials or do you use an anonymous account?
[16:48] <RCDeet> for local files no. for the external it tells me my creds are no good. doesn't give an option to log in. if i map the drive i try using my log in but no dice
[16:48] <lordievader> RCDeet: Who is the owner of the files?
[16:49] <RCDeet> me
[16:49] <RCDeet> my local account
[16:51] <lordievader> RCDeet: Does it work when you give everyone read acces?
[16:52] <RCDeet> nope, because it refuses to accept the permission change
[16:54] <lordievader> RCDeet: So the files are not owned by you. Please give me the output of "ls -l <dir-in-question>"
[16:55] <RCDeet> well if i right click on them, under permissions, it say i own them. but i'll get that
[16:56] <iceman2160> Walex2: Many thanks for your support, mate! I got it! I just had a terminal opened, connected the HDMI cable, typed "in blind" 'xrandr --auto' and it had my display settings back to default!
[16:56] <RCDeet> interesting
[16:56] <RCDeet> open konsole in the folder, enter the command
[16:56] <RCDeet> "no such file or direcdtory
[16:57] <RCDeet> directory*
[16:58] <RCDeet> never mind
[16:58] <lordievader> RCDeet: If your pwd is correct: ls -l
[16:58] <RCDeet> my mistake, did it wrong
[16:58] <Walex2> iceman2160: happy that worked
[16:59] <RCDeet> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/paonfqllc
[17:00] <iceman2160> Walex2: Any other thing I tried, it failed, I removed the xorg.conf and to my surprise, there isn't any generated at boot, just a bunch of xorg,conf with timestamps; I also counldn't find this kdmrc file, supposedly being the config file for my display manager. And as I have studied in the previous hour, it seems that kubuntu ships with lightdm instead of kdm (14.04). Anyway, I appreciate your effort, mate!
[17:00] <iceman2160> now, back yo study, can't get autorotate to work with my monitor, but that's least of my problems for now.
[17:01] <Walex2> iceman2160: not 'kdmrc' which is anyhow in '/etc/kde4/kdm/', but 'krandrc'.
[17:01] <Walex2> iceman2160: not 'kdmrc' which is anyhow in '/etc/kde4/kdm/', but 'krandrrc'.
[17:02] <lordievader> RCDeet: You cannot change the rights to those files?
[17:02] <RCDeet> nope
[17:02] <iceman2160> Walex2: in /etc/kde4 i have just a textfile called kckclockrc.
[17:03] <iceman2160> Walex2: it's just a config file for timeservers
[17:04] <RCDeet> lordievader:  for comparison, http://paste.kde.org/pf6cajkwu i can change all of these
[17:06] <lordievader> RCDeet: It's an ntfs filesystem, ain't it?
[17:06] <RCDeet> ummmm.....probably
[17:06] <RCDeet> 1tb USB3 external drive
[17:09] <lordievader> RCDeet: Please paste the output of "df -T"
[17:10] <Walex2> RCDeet: and which filesystems have you created on that drive?
[17:10] <RCDeet> http://paste.kde.org/pnlxui5cf
[17:10] <Walex2> RCDeet: which is the same question that <lordievader> asked actually
[17:11] <lordievader> RCDeet: Jup that is NTFS, NTFS doesn't know linux filepermissions.
[17:11] <lordievader> That is why you cannot change them.
[17:11] <RCDeet> okay, so sharing it from this box is gonna be a no them?
[17:11] <RCDeet> then
[17:11] <RCDeet> *
[17:12] <lordievader> RCDeet: I don't know how samba handles ntfs shares. What you could do (if you do not use the external drive with Windows) is repartition the drive.
[17:12] <RCDeet> i use it with windows
[17:15] <albert_> anyone knows how to auto open pdf with adobe reader on firefox?
[17:16] <iceman2160> albert: try using the plugin, like this one https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pdfjs/
[17:18] <RCDeet> well i guess i'll just build me a windoze server outta parts i got laying around. thanks for the info lordievader o/
[17:18] <albert_> thx it worked
[17:29] <natacus> I dont want to use the kde wallete system, is there a way to get KDE IM telepaty IM to save my passwords? The tick box "save password" is greyed out
[18:00] <zerooss> hi all
[18:01] <zerooss> xcuse me is possible install kubuntu in ssd hdd for the system and raid 5 for home directory?
[18:37] <natacus> I dont want to use the kde wallete system, is there a way to get KDE IM telepaty IM to save my passwords? The tick box "save password" is greyed out
[19:44] <sarah__> hey
[19:44] <sarah__> first time...super noob
[19:46] <sarah__> Anyone here?
[19:46] <soee_> hi sarah__, welcome
[19:47] <sarah__> thanks. Trying to find someone who wants to help me learn linux comand line
[19:48] <TheFakeazneD525> sarah__: oh, sure
[19:48] <TheFakeazneD525> what do you need?
[19:48] <sarah__> what don't I need hehe
[19:48] <TheFakeazneD525> :P
[19:49] <sarah__> I literally know zero. But trying to locate some help on where to start
[19:49] <sarah__> I want to learn everything but not sure where to start
[19:50] <TheFakeazneD525> sarah__: http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/
[19:50] <soee> well learn everytign might take you some time ;)
[19:50] <sarah__> hehe I am sure
[19:50] <sarah__> Trying to get a job in the IT world and everything is Linux
[19:50] <sarah__> I only know Windows. So am forcing myself to convert
[19:51] <sarah__> Thanks TheFakeazneD525 for the link!
[19:51] <TheFakeazneD525> no prob
[19:51] <TheFakeazneD525> the command line was hard for everyone when they started
[19:51] <TheFakeazneD525> so don't feel bad :)
[19:51] <sarah__> where is the best place to start?
[19:52] <TheFakeazneD525> just try out some commands
[19:52] <sarah__> I only know ls, pwd, cd .. , lol
[19:52] <sarah__> that is about it
[19:52] <TheFakeazneD525> ls, echo, cat, wget, try those
[19:54] <sarah__> just type them in on home?
[21:00] <fernando_> hola
[21:01] <sarah__> hello
[21:37] <sarah__> Anyone on?
[21:45] <valorie> sarah__: "anyone on"?
[21:45] <valorie> over 200 nicks in the chan, yeah
[21:45] <sarah__> nobody chatting
[21:46] <yofel> sarah__: well, this is the support channel, idle chatter in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[21:48] <sarah__> is there a chat dedicated to help with linux?
[21:54] <ubuntourist> I'm a newbie following the Ubuntu packaging guide and got the following error message:
[21:55] <ubuntourist> dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 1
[21:56] <ubuntourist> [$ find . -name "*files*"] turned up nothing
[22:08] <ubuntourist> Oops. Sorry. Wrong channel.
[22:31] <skinux> How do I set App Grid as default package manager instead of Ubuntu Software Center?
[22:32] <valorie> skinux: are you in kubuntu?
[22:32] <valorie> if so, muon discover is the default
[22:32] <valorie> we've never offered Ubuntu Software Center as the default
[22:33] <valorie> dunno what app grid is
[22:33] <skinux> Yes, I'm in Kubuntu, however, I'd initially installed Ubuntu and later added Kubuntu into it.
[22:34] <valorie> apt-cache search gives me nothing called app grid
[22:34]  * valorie can't stand ubuntu software center
[22:34] <valorie> I just use muon package manager or better yet, apt
[22:36] <skinux> I use apt a lot. I want to be able to use a GUI manager so that I can occasionally show others that Linux can be as useful to them as Windows.
[22:37] <valorie> sure, look at Muon Discover, which is the prettiest
[22:37] <valorie> or muon package manager, which is the most efficient IMO
[22:37] <valorie> as I said, I've not heard of or see that app grid is packaged in *buntu
[22:38] <valorie> there is apper, which Debian uses
[22:38] <valorie> but I've not used it, so can't say one way or the other
[22:42] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[22:44] <valorie> hi ahoneybun (from home)
[22:45] <valorie> let's talk in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[22:45] <ahoneybun> ok
[22:55] <bfieck> anybody out there?
[22:55] <bfieck> I need some help installing a new window manager
[23:01] <TheFakeazneD525> hmm?
[23:04] <valorie> bfieck: on kubuntu?
[23:04] <TheFakeazneD525> well if it's already on the computer
[23:05] <TheFakeazneD525> System Settings> Default Applications > Window Mangler
[23:07] <BigWig> Window Mangler :)
[23:08] <valorie> very nice freudian slip, TheFakeazneD525
[23:09] <TheFakeazneD525> :P
[23:12] <bfieck> yea
[23:12] <bfieck> it's on kubuntu
[23:12] <bfieck> I want to install Enlightenment
[23:12] <bfieck> I'm not root though
[23:14] <bfieck> I downloaded the source for E, eina, ecore and eeze, but after installing eina
[23:14] <bfieck> with "./configure --prefix=$HOME/bin && make && make install"
[23:14] <bfieck> ecore can't find it. I've tried editing PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[23:14] <bfieck> so that it points to $HOME/bin
[23:15] <bfieck> but even after putting it into my .zshrc file as "PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$HOME/bin"
[23:15] <valorie> bfieck: are there packages in *buntu?
[23:15] <bfieck> and on the next line "export PKG_CONFIG_PATH"
[23:15] <valorie> always better to go with packages if possible
[23:16] <bfieck> I'm not root
[23:16] <valorie> deb files if not
[23:16] <bfieck> so I used apt-get source
[23:16] <bfieck> they are the packages, I'm just compiling them manually
[23:16] <valorie> you don't need root
[23:16] <valorie> merely sudo
[23:16] <bfieck> well that's what I meant
[23:16] <bfieck> I have zero permissions to run any command as root
[23:17] <valorie> you need sudo to properly care for your install
[23:17] <bfieck> including sudo
[23:17] <bfieck> I shouldn't should I? I'm only changing the DE for my user
[23:17] <valorie> how do you have kubuntu with no sudo powers?
[23:17] <bfieck> I'm not the admin
[23:18] <bfieck> I could request that the DE get added, but I doubt they're willing to do that much work just for me
[23:19] <bfieck> I feel like all I need is to have the E executable in my PATH and set my .xinitrc to load that DE, and I have permissions as a regular user to do all of that.
[23:19] <valorie> they wouldn't run `sudo apt install e17` for you?
[23:19] <valorie> not very much work.....
[23:19] <bfieck> oh and obviously the executable needs to be able to find it's resources.
[23:19] <valorie> exactly
[23:20] <bfieck> I know, but I'm just a student, I don't think they'd listen to me.
[23:20] <valorie> I think you should make a request to have it added globally
[23:20] <valorie> ah
[23:20] <valorie> not sure then
[23:21] <valorie> as TheFakeazneD525 said, once it's installed, just call it from system settings
[23:21] <valorie> IMO students should all have the right to try out all the desktops
[23:23] <bfieck> okay well maybe I can figure it out, but I would like to know (as I'm not entirely sure) will x listen to my .xinitrc right away, or will I be running a DE on top of a DE?
[23:24] <valorie> I doubt that's even possible, depending on how you define "running"
[23:25] <valorie> unless you are running in a VM
[23:25] <TheFakeazneD525> I ran Cairo-dock on top of razor-qt a few times...
[23:26] <valorie> you can't really call Cairo-dock a WM though?
[23:26] <bfieck> I've run unity inside of unity before
[23:26] <valorie> we're in territory I know nothing about
[23:26] <bfieck> it's not fun
[23:26] <TheFakeazneD525> well it was a DE on top of a DE
[23:26] <valorie> and it seems a bit off-topic here as well
[23:27] <valorie> please take further discussions about 'other than kubuntu' to #kubuntu-offtopic
[23:29] <TheFakeazneD525> sorry :c


[11:08] <zequence> OvenWerk1: There's some problem with dvdstyler
[11:09] <zequence> Ubuntu devs are questioning that we keep it at all
[11:11] <zequence> There's an unmaintained lib in the archive, held only by dvdstyler. The Ubuntu devs want to get rid of it.
[11:11] <zequence> Got removed from Debian https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813151
[11:11] <zequence> Are we ok with removing dvdstyler?
[14:21] <OvenWerk1> zequence: do we have anything to replace dvdstyler? The graphics part I do not care about
[14:29] <OvenWerk1>  think other programs can mke CD/DVD inserts anyway. but it does create DVD menus and file systems. We seem to be running into the same problem as with everything, once it works the dev stops "deving"
[14:29] <knome> other apps can do that, but ultimately, they are all bad :)
[14:30] <knome> dvdstyler doesn't even "work", at least nowhere near perfectly...
[14:30] <knome> it's still the one i ended up using on my home video DVD project, since it allows most customizability the easiet
[14:30] <knome> +s
[14:31] <OvenWerk1> knome: Yes it seems to me the last time I looked into this dvdstyler was the best of the bunch
[14:35] <OvenWerk1> qdvdauthor hasn't seen updates since 2010...
[14:37] <OvenWerk1> dvdauthor which is CLI and we do include this... not sure if we do so on purpose or it is pulled in by depends. but it is at least seeing new commits as late as last month.
[14:40] <OvenWerk1> devedeng is current. (works with GTK3)
[14:47] <OvenWerk1> but of course ubuntu repos do not have either the old devede (anymore) or the new devedeng which may be one of the few current dvd authoring tools.
[15:24] <OvenWerk1> zequence: so at the least add dvdauthor to seeds. See if devedeng can be added to the ubuntu repos to replace dvdstyler (may take a cycle) and maybe better, ask those who actually do video editing if they have an opinion... or if they know that one of the other packages we have now will do the job.
[15:24] <OvenWerk1> zequence: I am wondering if one of the video editors has this function in it.
[15:27] <OvenWerk1> zequence: as a side note, devedeng does have a ubuntu ppa so making it part of the ubuntu repos may not be so hard. (there is a debian ppa as well)
[18:18] <knome> then there's bombono
[18:18] <knome> not sure how useful that is
[18:32] <OvenWerk1> knome: thankyou installing to look at.
[18:32] <OvenWerk1> Anyone else who does video creation can you give some input.
[19:25] <OvenWerk1> knome: bombono seems to do the job ok.
[19:26] <knome> mhm
[19:27] <OvenWerk1> I think if I took videos of a wedding, I could make a polished looking DVD with some practice...
[19:29] <OvenWerk1> My thought is that this would be the main use of this kind of tool. Someone who records events and makes DVDs available. I would think someone making videos in most other contexts would distribute them in other ways such as direct download (youtube for example).
[19:52] <sakrecoer> re: DVD i tried hard with it for 3 years ago to no avail. In the end i dusted of my old powerbook g4 and burned in iDVD. What next? well, nobody had a DVD player :/
[19:53] <sakrecoer> i think most people would put a wedding video on some socialnetwork with privacy settings nowadays
[19:54] <sakrecoer> but if there are options that are functional, it would be nice to have it. DVD is huge in africa for example
[19:54] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: possibly, there are still lots of people who find "operating" a DVD player hard already.
[19:55] <sakrecoer> OvenWerk1: haha!
[19:55] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: I do not know if putting a DVD directory on a USB drive would make todays DVD players show the menu or not... I should try that next I guess.
[19:55] <sakrecoer> i failed to specify, the one i tried was DVDstyler
[19:55] <knome> physical media has its place
[19:56] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: no problem, it seems that is the one we are loosing anyway.
[19:56] <knome> it's a different thing to have your wedding video on a DVD than on the cloud
[19:56] <knome> people are attached to physical stuff with certain things
[19:56] <knome> ...and that's fine
[19:56] <sakrecoer> well, if a usb is n option, i think the most effective way is to drag and drop the video file upon it
[19:56] <OvenWerk1> knome: right, giving a box with graphics and DVD is something anyone can deal with
[19:56] <knome> unless the device you intend to watch the video on doesn't support usb sticks with files
[19:57] <knome> authoring a DVD also means you can get good looking menus
[19:57] <knome> files on a USB sticks are just.. files
[19:57] <knome> the metadata you can attach to them is limited
[19:57] <sakrecoer> like i said: i'm up for having a DVD production tool.preferably not broken
[19:58] <OvenWerk1> knome: right that is why I was wondering if the FS was like a DVD if the player would tend to show the menu.
[19:58] <OvenWerk1> bombono does seem to work.
[19:59] <sakrecoer> :) cool! will try it!
[19:59] <knome> most media players can at least open an ISO like a DVD
[20:00] <knome> i don't know about setting an USB stick like a DVD... autorun isn't exactly used with them commonly
[20:02] <sakrecoer> i don't think dvd will last long in europe, no matter how nice it is to have a packaging for wedding video. i believe in printed fotobooks with private urls for that prupose
[20:02] <sakrecoer> the book containging the private urls to multimedia.
[20:02] <knome> they said the same about vinyls and audio CD's...
[20:02] <sakrecoer> but li insist, i think it would be nice to have a dvd production tool
[20:03] <sakrecoer> well, time will tell :) as far as i can see: yes there is revival of money in vinyl, but it is very much a niche
[20:04] <sakrecoer> anwyas, its just my opinoin and its offtopic
[20:04] <sakrecoer> :) dvd is cool! i like it! wouldn't buy, and don't know to whom sell tehm.. but its a nice format
[20:06] <sakrecoer> but isn't it too late for 16.04? or have i got it wrong?
[20:07] <sakrecoer> for now, i'd say: remove the broken thing if it is still possible
[20:08] <knome> whether it's subject to the feature freeze i don't know (maybe it is), but since it's not a core or essential package for most of your users, you should be able to get an exception easily
[20:09] <sakrecoer> cool! :)
[20:09] <knome> so yes it is "late", but no it isn't late
[20:09] <sakrecoer> .. exception for adding bombono, or for removing dvdstyler?
[20:09] <knome> well, the whole operation
[20:10] <sakrecoer> wow!!! :) that is great news!
[20:10] <knome> the removing stuff likely isn't subject to FF really, but adding new software might be
[20:10] <knome> OTOH, you are simply replacing one that doesn't work with one that works, so it might be considered a "bugfix", though of course a big one...
[20:11] <knome> ultimately the release team doesn't usually decline exception requests if it only affects one flavor and you guarantee you will take care of all potential regressions
[20:11] <knome> or unless it's really late in the cycle
[20:12] <knome> like, the last week
[20:13] <sakrecoer> ok! :) good to know (btw i still play CD, vinyl and tape-cassette at home :) )
[20:13] <knome> i mostly store my CD's, i've all of them copied to my HDD
[20:14] <sakrecoer> :)
[20:15] <sakrecoer> i fully agree about packaging being nice. i guess i never developed any relation to dvd, if i had i would probably consider it deifferently
[21:03] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer: I think since "they" want to remove a package we depend on, suggesting a replacement rather than straight removal should be ok. We are effectively saying yes we want/need that function, but if it would be easier for you we are willing to use this instead.
[21:27] <sakrecoer> OvenWerk1: sounds good to me, but let's see what zequence thinks :)
[22:40] <zequence> Just got home, and dead tired, so I'll have a look at that DVD stuff tomorrow. Hopefully someone has replied to the mail list with something constructive. Myself - I haven't done DVDs for 10 years or so, and then I only did very simple ones.
[23:01] <DalekSec> I was only pinged because I was the last to upload it, and I was only the last to upload because someone asked me to look at it.  I've never actually used it. :3


[20:00] <mark06> why can't I make git bzr pull work here? see third repo http://vpaste.net/zPNEM
[20:00] <mark06> it seems random, sometimes all repos will fail, but third one always fail when updated together with the oher tow
[20:00] <mark06> *two


[14:59] <zul> @schedule montreal
[14:59] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 09 Jan 15:00: Edubuntu meeting | 10 Jan 09:00: Desktop Team Development | 16 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu meeting | 17 Jan 09:00: Desktop Team Development | 18 Jan 07:00: MOTU
[15:00] <zul> @schedule now
[15:03] <soren> @now
[15:03] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: January 08 2008, 15:03:08 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 1 day
[15:03] <soren> zul: ^^ That's how you do it.
[15:03] <zul> yeah i wasnt paying attention
[15:58] <mathiaz> Hi everyone !
[15:58] <sommer> hello
[15:58] <zul> heylo
[15:59]  * jdstrand waves
[15:59] <nijaba> Hello and happy new year
[15:59]  * nealmcb waves
[15:59]  * nealmcb is having too much fun with his olpc :-)
[15:59]  * soren wanders in
[16:00]  * dantalizin1 looks up from his desk
[16:00] <jdstrand> nealmcb: I'm supposed to be getting one of those any day now
[16:01]  * sommer has one as well... very cool item
[16:01] <nealmcb> jdstrand: mine came 4 days before the mail that said it was shipping....
[16:01] <sommer> nealmcb: do you have ubuntu on it yet?
[16:01] <mathiaz> all right - let's get started then.
[16:01] <nealmcb> and I've now learned a bit of git and submitted my first patch
[16:01] <zul> i wanna an eepc
[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:01. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <mathiaz> Welcome to the first ubuntu server team meeting of 2008 ! :)
[16:02] <nealmcb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:03] <mathiaz> This is your 13th meeting...
[16:03] <mathiaz> So there isn't much on the agenda  - anyone wants to add something before we go through it ?
[16:03] <zul> nope
[16:04] <nealmcb> mathiaz: I guess an update on the postgrey bug
[16:04] <mathiaz> nealmcb: bug number ?
[16:04] <nealmcb> I'll get it
[16:05] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Update on postgrey bug
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update on postgrey bug
[16:06] <nealmcb> mathiaz: this is the one that you escalated a month or so ago, last I recall it was still in proposed
[16:06] <nealmcb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgrey/+bug/135038
[16:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135038 in db4.4 "postgrey fails regularly : "fatal: Can't call method "txn_commit" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/postgrey line 223." (dup-of: 153996)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153996 in db4.4 "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey and subversion" [High,Fix committed]
[16:07] <nealmcb> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/db4.4/+bug/153996
[16:08] <mathiaz> So I think it's just that the archive admins have been busy
[16:08] <nealmcb> I know we don't like to use the meeting for bugs, so we can move on, but it was on my mind - surprising it hasn't been included yet
[16:08] <nealmcb> yeah - I understand busy :-)
[16:09] <mathiaz> I'll ask pitti about it.
[16:09] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz will ask pitti about the state of bug 153996
[16:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz will ask pitti about the state of bug 153996
[16:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153996 in db4.4 "libdb4.4 in gutsy breaks postgrey and subversion" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153996
[16:09] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
[16:10] <mathiaz> Previous meeting log:
[16:10] <mathiaz> http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-meeting.20071218_1600.html
[16:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-meeting.20071218_1600.html
[16:10] <mathiaz> sommer: I've seen you've filed a bug about apache ssl.
[16:11] <sommer> yep... I'm not sure how good it is, but I thought I'd take a crack at it
[16:11] <mathiaz> sommer: there are a couple of other bugs related to this.
[16:11] <mathiaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/113099
[16:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113099 in apache2 "Out of the box SSL config should be made available for Apache." [Wishlist,Triaged]
[16:11] <mathiaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/77675
[16:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 77675 in apache2 "apache2-ssl-certificate has gone missing since feisty" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[16:12] <mathiaz> sommer: did you get in touch with the debian maintainer ?
[16:12] <sommer> mathiaz: nope, I sort of just started patching :)
[16:12] <sommer> I can do that though
[16:12] <mathiaz> sommer: this issue has also been raised there IIRC, if we could agree on a solution for both ubuntu and debian it would be great.
[16:13] <mathiaz> sommer: the main issue is that debian doesn't have a default way to handle ssl certificates.
[16:13] <mathiaz> this is why some patches that ubuntu added to enable ssl support OOTB are not accepted by debian
[16:14] <sommer> mathiaz: gotcha... is there a way to get ssl-cert included into debian
[16:14] <mathiaz> (eg: dovecot)
[16:14] <mathiaz> but this depends a lot on the maintainers.
[16:14] <mathiaz> sommer: it is - but there isn't an official policy that says that ssl-cert should be the default way to handle ssl certs in debian.
[16:15] <sommer> mathiaz: ah, I see
[16:15] <mathiaz> debian hasn't settled on the default way to handle ssl certs.
[16:15] <mathiaz> so maintainers can be reluctant to enable ssl OOTB because of this.
[16:16] <sommer> is the issue still being debated, or is it not a very high priority?
[16:16] <mathiaz> sommer: I don't know.
[16:16] <nealmcb> sommer: does your patch end up giving a self-signed cert by default or something?
[16:16] <mathiaz> sommer: I'd get in touch first with the apache maintainer to see what they think about your solution.
[16:17] <sommer> mathiaz: it uses the snakeoil key and cert from ssl-cert package
[16:17] <mathiaz> sommer: I think that's a good solution - but only for ubuntu.
[16:17] <sommer> or nealmcb rather
[16:17] <nealmcb> I haven't looked recently at that - so is it just a cert for the current fqdn of the machine or something?
[16:17] <sommer> mathiaz: sure I'll contact them
[16:18] <mathiaz> sommer: so it may be worth discussing with debian maintainers the other configuration options and the way to do it, without forcing them to use ssl-cert.
[16:18] <nealmcb> or does it ask questions etc?
[16:18] <sommer> nealmcb: I beleive it's generated from the hostname
[16:18] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer will contact debian apache maintainer wrt default ssl configuration.
[16:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer will contact debian apache maintainer wrt default ssl configuration.
[16:19] <mathiaz> soren, nijaba: what's the state of the JeOS tutorial ?
[16:19] <nijaba> mathiaz: it is still online
[16:20] <nijaba> as the artile has not been published yet AFAIK
[16:20] <sommer> it's also been "translated" into DocBook :)
[16:21] <mathiaz> sommer: is there any plan to include it in the server guide ?
[16:21] <mathiaz> sommer: or make a JeOS guide ?
[16:22] <nealmcb> I'm wondering if the jeos page might be made a more general, short into with link to the article, and the article text might come back as a subpage tutorial when it is old enough
[16:22] <nijaba> mathiaz: I would not be happy to have a separate JeOs guide
[16:22] <nijaba> nealmcb: good idea, but it might be redundant with what we have on u.c
[16:22] <mathiaz> nijaba, sommer: so what's the purpose of using DocBook then ?
[16:22] <nealmcb> *short intro*
[16:23] <nijaba> mathiaz: to be able to ubdate it while iti is not published on the wiki anymore
[16:23] <sommer> mathiaz: I think it was to "save" it into bzr
[16:23] <sommer> I haven't actually commited it yet though
[16:24] <mathiaz> hum.. ok.
[16:24] <sommer> the way it is now is a section in the Server Guide, but that could be changed
[16:24] <nijaba> sommer: I think it is nice as you did it
[16:25] <mathiaz> So any action to take regarding JeOS documentation ?
[16:25] <nealmcb> makes sense to me to have a jeos section there
[16:25] <nijaba> not AFAIK
[16:25] <sommer> nijaba: cool, I'll go ahead and commit it
[16:25] <mathiaz> ACTION: sommer will add the JeOS tutorial as a section to the Server Guide.
[16:26] <nealmcb> so long as it doesn't quickly go out-of-date, since the server guide is released rarely
[16:26] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer will add the JeOS tutorial as a section to the Server Guide.
[16:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer will add the JeOS tutorial as a section to the Server Guide.
[16:26] <nealmcb> (compared to the wiki)
[16:26] <sommer> nealmcb: heh... hopefully it will be updated for each release :-)
[16:26] <mathiaz> Anything else from the last meeting ?
[16:26] <nealmcb> sommer: sure, but we only get one shot per release....
[16:29] <sommer> mathiaz: I think that was pretty much it from the last meeting
[16:30] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap.
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review each section of the ServerTeam/Roadmap.
[16:30] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
[16:30] <mathiaz> Something to say about Triagging ?
[16:31] <soren> Nope
[16:32] <mathiaz> About Packaging ?
[16:32] <mathiaz> sommer started to work on the ssl configuration for apache.
[16:33] <mathiaz> sommer: could you update the roadmap about it ?
[16:33] <sommer> mathiaz: sure
[16:34] <mathiaz> So Documentation.
[16:34] <mathiaz> How things are going in there ?
[16:35] <sommer> Server Guide is cruisin along
[16:35] <mathiaz> sommer: great !
[16:35] <nealmcb> back on packaging- anyone talked to ebox folks?  Can we get them to come to our next meeting?
[16:35] <mathiaz> sommer: you're doing a great job at documentation ! thanks for your contribution !
[16:35] <sommer> I think most of the large updates have been done, there's probably minor tweeks here and there though
[16:35] <nijaba> yep, sommer is doing a great job.  I still have a bit to review though since last meeting
[16:35] <sommer> mathiaz: welcome
[16:36] <nealmcb> we so constantly get queries about webmin etc - seems like a priority for hardy, and not an easy one
[16:36] <sommer> plus there may be a couple of others helping out in the near future :)
[16:36] <nealmcb> sommer: yeah - great work!
[16:37] <mathiaz> sommer: yes - I've seen a couple messages on ubuntu-doc.
[16:37] <sommer> nealmcb: thanks, and I agree about ebox
[16:37] <mathiaz> nealmcb: what about factoids ?
[16:38] <nealmcb> I think an ebox factoid is top prio :-)
[16:38] <nealmcb> I'll add it
[16:38] <mathiaz> nealmcb: did you add a couple of them to the bot ?
[16:39] <nealmcb> yes - last month as noted there ljl and I added a bunch - he was great
[16:39] <mathiaz> nealmcb: ok. So they should be removed from the roadmap.
[16:40] <nealmcb> well, I proposed and he made them better and added them :-)
[16:40] <nealmcb> yes - should be removed
[16:40] <nealmcb> I'll do that too
[16:40] <mathiaz> [ACTION] nealmcb will update the list of factoids on the Roadmap.
[16:40] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nealmcb will update the list of factoids on the Roadmap.
[16:41] <mathiaz> Anything else related to Documentation ?
[16:41] <nealmcb> soren: would you like to invite an ebox person to come to the next meeting and give us an update?  or provide a name of who to invite?
[16:42] <soren> nealmcb: I can do that.
[16:42] <sommer> I think that's pretty much it... still need to make some time for the Samba wiki page updates
[16:42] <nealmcb> :-)
[16:43] <mathiaz> Let's move on the Developer section
[16:43] <mathiaz> It's not up to date.
[16:44] <mathiaz> I'll update the section with the plans for Hardy.
[16:44] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz will update the developer section.
[16:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz will update the developer section.
[16:45] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:46] <nealmcb> [idea] soren will invite an ebox person to come to the next meeting and give us an update
[16:46] <MootBot> IDEA received:  soren will invite an ebox person to come to the next meeting and give us an update
[16:46] <mathiaz> dendrobates asked if the meeting could be moved as he is not able to attend.
[16:46] <mathiaz> one proposal is to move it wednesday at 17:00 UTC
[16:47] <mathiaz> which is one hour later than currently.
[16:47] <mathiaz> another proposal is to move it to Thursday at 16:00 UTC
[16:48] <nealmcb> wed am is ok, but I have a 1600 meeting too
[16:48] <mathiaz> the ubuntu-dev meeting is scheduled for this time every fours week though
[16:48] <nealmcb> thu is worse
[16:48] <sommer> either work for me ;)
[16:48] <jdstrand> either are good for me
[16:48] <mathiaz> another question is if we should have weekly meeting
[16:49] <mathiaz> I think we already talked about that in december
[16:49] <mathiaz> but don't remember the outcome of the discussion
[16:49] <sommer> didn't we have a meeting once a week in dec?
[16:49] <nealmcb> I think it was "yes, weekly"
[16:50] <mathiaz> ok.
[16:50] <sommer> not sure if it was "official", but it worked out okay
[16:50] <nealmcb> and it will work better with mathiaz back in town :-)
[16:51] <mathiaz> another proposal is monday at 16:00 UTC
[16:52]  * sommer likes 16:00 UTC the best, but either work
[16:52] <mathiaz> yeah 16:00 UTC is the best time for both europeans and americans..
[16:52] <nealmcb> mon 1600 works for me
[16:53] <mathiaz> which means that it's very very busy for most of us..
[16:53] <jdstrand> mathiaz: could have multiple meeting rooms...
[16:54] <mathiaz> jdstrand: yeah - but people need to attend the meetings...
[16:54] <nealmcb> jdstrand: and practice thrashing? :-)
[16:54] <jdstrand> :)
[16:55] <nijaba> Mon 16 UTC is conflicting with a appt that dendrobates and I have have with a partner each week...
[16:55] <mathiaz> soren: mon 16:00 UTC ?
[16:55] <mathiaz> nijaba: argh..
[16:55] <mathiaz> so we're running out of time.
[16:56] <mathiaz> I'll try to come up with something sane for next meeting.
[16:56] <mathiaz> for now we don't move it.
[16:56] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz will try to figure a new time for the server team meeting.
[16:56] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz will try to figure a new time for the server team meeting.
[16:56] <nealmcb> but it would be nice to have dendrobates here....
[16:57] <mathiaz> For now - next week, same place, same time.
[16:57] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I'll discuss this with him.
[16:57] <nealmcb> :-)
[16:57] <mathiaz> nealmcb: and send an email if there is any change before next meeting.
[16:58] <mathiaz> Thanks all for coming.
[16:58] <nijaba> thanks for leading the meeting mathiaz
[16:58] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:58] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:58.
[16:58] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, party on all
[16:59] <nijaba> bye


[06:05] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:48] <utkarsh2102> cpaelzer: do you see my emojis? :)
[06:49] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: I see too many emojis in general :-)
[06:50]  * cpaelzer likes hand-typed :-) ascii smileys
[06:53] <utkarsh2102> aha
[06:54] <utkarsh2102> I can't make sunrise ones hand-typed
[08:01] <utkarsh2102> hey, is there anything that I can help with that'll help others? eg: reviews/bugs/etc that'll unblock others?
[08:12] <paride> o/
[08:12] <paride> TIL that ~/.pam_environment is being deprecated
[08:43] <mirespace> good morning here as well :)
[08:55] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu/+source/chrony/+git/chrony/+merge/415170 ?
[08:56] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: in regard your ask for helping somewhere
[09:06] <utkarsh2102> gotcha! I'll TAL in a few minutes or after lunch.
[09:07] <utkarsh2102> like, server-todo, we have server-backlog, too, no?
[09:07] <utkarsh2102> or did I get it wrong?
[09:07] <utkarsh2102> cf: tags for bug triages
[09:08] <frickler> coreycb: are you planning to run with py3.10 for jammy? then this might be interesting for you https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1960204
[09:09] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: I can pass you a link for the extended backlog to go through - just a sec
[09:13] <utkarsh2102> thank you!
[09:26] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: do you have a list of our mysql master bugs to dup to?
[09:26] <utkarsh2102> I don't think so
[09:26] <utkarsh2102> but somewhere in e-mail, I guess
[09:27] <utkarsh2102> I see Lena did a lot of duping of bugs onto some specific ones
[09:27] <utkarsh2102> I get mails of all mysql* related activities, so that way, I know
[09:30] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: I knew we had something https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.7/+bugs?&field.tag=triage
[09:30] <cpaelzer> from the newer completed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/mysql
[09:31] <utkarsh2102> gotcha!
[09:31] <utkarsh2102> btw, we have more mysql-8.0 bugs than mysql-5.7 ones
[09:32] <cpaelzer> the mysql-8.0 bug sorted by heat are also handy to identify dup-candidates
[09:50] <paride> cpaelzer, fiy upstream s390-tools with fuse3 support has been released
[09:51] <paride> (for some permutation of fiy)
[09:52] <cpaelzer> yeah fheimes already told me this morning
[11:03] <utkarsh2102> cpaelzer: hiya, MP #415170/chrony review done. Some questions sent your way. :)
[11:04] <cpaelzer> thanks utkarsh2102 having a look
[11:10] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: answered
[11:10] <utkarsh2102> danke, taking a look
[11:46] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: if you are still looking for MRs this one just got ready https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+git/open-vm-tools/+merge/415183
[11:46] <cpaelzer> paride: ^^ that would be the next try to switch to fuse3 hoping for no conflicts at image build this time :-)
[11:51] <paride> cpaelzer, utkarsh2102 I can review that open-vm-tools one
[11:55] <cpaelzer> thank you paride
[12:03] <paride> cpaelzer, done
[12:03] <ahasenack> good morning
[12:04] <mirespace_> hi ahasenack
[12:04] <cpaelzer> hi ahasenack
[12:04] <ahasenack> hello
[12:05] <paride> o/
[12:34] <ahasenack> utkarsh2102: thanks for all the reviews!
[12:36] <utkarsh2102> ahasenack: yay, you're welcome! \o/
[13:09] <coreycb> frickler: thanks for that, yes we are at python 3.10 in jammy
[13:23] <frickler> coreycb: oh, has the default already been changed? last time I looked it was still 3.9 and using 3.10 had some weird issues with pip
[13:24] <coreycb> frickler: it doesn't look like it has changed but I think that is the plan
[13:31] <frickler> coreycb: according to https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906 it was planned for mid January, but this doesn't look promising to me https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#python3-defaults
[13:32] <utkarsh2102> sergiodj: hey, can you take a look at LP: #1959581, please?
[13:32] <utkarsh2102> it's an interesting bug and I am not sure what more I/we can do about this.
[13:32] <ahasenack> frickler: 3.10 is the default in jammy-proposed, it's currently going through the migration process. Some packages are still failing tests with it
[13:33] <ahasenack> frickler: check https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#python3-defaults for the list of "reds"
[13:33] <ahasenack> ops, which you know already
[13:33] <ahasenack> sorry
[13:33] <frickler> ahasenack: yes, the python3-pip failure matches what I'm seeing locally
[13:33] <ahasenack> frickler: check my ubuntu-devel "+1 maintenance" report, where I solved many of those reds
[13:34] <ahasenack> pip3, is that the one where it didn't find the packages in /usr/local?
[13:34] <ahasenack> in the test failure
[13:34] <frickler> ahasenack: yes
[13:34] <ahasenack> yeah, I looked briefly at that yesterday, and just confirmed it, but no clue what's going on
[13:34] <frickler> ahasenack: or rather, it seems to install things into /usr/lib, but doesn't find them there are installing
[13:35] <ahasenack> my maintenance shift ended, someone will have to look at that this week
[15:20] <peto> hi, please help, i have webserver apache2 on my server, from pc in local lan, i can connect to the server/website, but from android did not work (cant connect) - it worked, but now i dont know why it isnt working, same network --- nobody can help me?
[15:21] <peto> i find out that im not listening to port 80 on tcp
[15:21] <utkarsh2102> peto: you probably need to be more specific. What's not working. What error message d'you get.
[15:23] <peto> on adroid browser i became error, that i cant connect , site is not reachable or busy (or sometning else, dont know to exactly wording in english, sorry)
[15:23] <peto> but the site, with IP 172.16.. work on pc, so I dont understand
[15:25] <peto> apache2 service is running
[15:26] <peto> https://termbin.com/aw4g
[15:46] <ahasenack> maybe your android is on 3g/4g instead of the wifi your pc is connected to? Looks like a private address
[15:50] <peto> android is on the same wifi
[15:50] <peto> but i know it works, but now no more, and i dont know why
[15:51] <sergiodj> utkarsh2102: hey, sure.  but TBH I don't know if there's much more we can there...
[15:51] <utkarsh2102> sergiodj: oh cool, if that's what you think, then we're probably on the same page.
[15:52] <utkarsh2102> I wasn't sure about my last comment, so I'd like you to double check and see if that's not entirely stupid. :)
[15:52] <sergiodj> but thanks for the heads up, I will take another look later today and see if I can come up with something
[15:52] <utkarsh2102> great, thank you! I mentioned this in my triage report, too.
[15:53] <sergiodj> cool, thanks :)
[20:25] <ahasenack> huh, I managed to break networking in a jammy VM I was using :/
[20:25] <ahasenack> the network interface doesn't even show up anymore
[20:27] <ChmEarl> ahasenack, biosdevice naming scheme?
[20:27] <ahasenack> no, didn't mess with that
[20:28] <ahasenack> I now plugged in a normal "e1000" nic (via virt-manager), but the vm just does not react
[20:30] <ahasenack> oh, udev got removed
[20:30] <ahasenack> that's bad
[20:32] <ahasenack> I guess I didn't pay too much attention in one of the dist-upgrades I did
[20:32] <ahasenack> oh well, nothing but a test vm
[20:56] <mwhudson> eh apt really shouldn't remove a priority important package wihtout making a fuss, i thought
[21:01] <ahasenack> I'm unsure what happened, I saw dpkg logs showing these removals
[21:01] <ahasenack> but not what triggered them
[21:30] <mwhudson> apt has logs too? but i'm not quite sure what the intended behaviour is
[22:03] <JanC> the logs should show what other packages were involved in that dist-upgrade, which should at least give you an idea about what might have caused it...
[22:04] <JanC> and when you don't have udev, it should still be possible to reload the kernel module to get networking again


[16:14] <n4dir> i thought i might give lmms a try to compare it with ardour (for pretty simple stuff, just adding midi notes via mouse click and copying stuff around a bit). The version i installed with apt-get doesn't seem to have carla support. I don't fully understand, but downloading a version from the lmms page had carla support (might well be i did something wrong)
[16:15] <n4dir> i'd also like a recommendation. Right now i really seem to prefer ardour, but i always got hard times getting my head in new stuff. Is lmms worth it, or should just focus on ardour?
[16:19] <n4dir> there probably is a reason ardour was installed per default and lmms not, iirc ...
[16:23] <OvenWerks> lmms should be installed by default so far as I know
[16:24] <OvenWerks> it is on my system and I had no reason to install it myself
[16:24] <n4dir> ah, then i recall incorrect.
[16:25] <OvenWerks> if lmms is good for you or not depnds on your personal workflow
[16:25] <OvenWerks> They are different tools
[16:26] <n4dir> yes, i know the question is not a good one. But, as said, i *always* got hard times with new software.
[16:26] <n4dir> it was a sidenote anyway. My main concern was the lack of support for carla.
[16:27] <OvenWerks> most of my stuff is recording analog signals, so Ardour makes sense.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> I do not know why it would not work with carla. Is there an extra package to add that?
[16:28] <n4dir> I see. Well: i don't do such, and probably won't either. Just what i described above.
[16:29] <n4dir> the web and docs say if carla is installed, it should be seen in the instrument-panel of lmms. In the repo version it doesn't, as said.
[16:29] <OvenWerks> lmms-vst-server is not installed by default
[16:29] <n4dir> i also got some web results mentioning compiling against (forgot what), but i sure don't know about such.
[16:29] <n4dir> is installed here.
[16:30] <n4dir> i went back and forth yesterday
[16:30] <corrinado[m]> Ardour vs. LMMS is an interesting top for me also. I just installed U.S. via the installer to a stock Ubuntu 20.04 install for my son. He's not a 'musician' via any typical sense - but he's put together his own physical synth devices for a decade-plus. He creates sounds for the 'noise' world. He's expressed interest in learning a DAW like Ardour to do more than he typically does now with just hardware
[16:32] <n4dir> corrinado[m]: while i sure am a noob, people like unfa (quite some youtube-videos about ardour) say midi would be a bit underloved in ardour. Hence i tried lmms (though was happy). I for one, as of now sure prefer ardour. For me the workflow is much easier and the result sounds way more interesting. In lmms (until now) everything seems to sound the same (though i use the same synthesizers, zynadd,
[16:32] <n4dir> calf-fluid, and such)
[16:32] <n4dir> my two cents, not much worth, as said.
[16:34] <corrinado[m]> Any input is worth something, in my book at least. I appreciate the response.
[16:34] <n4dir> unfa has lots of videos abour ardour and there is a youtube channel "linux music" who describes in short the general idea of synths and the setup for different stuff. Probably too low level for him.
[16:34] <n4dir> let me check for the other channel. I for one love it.
[16:35] <n4dir> corrinado[m]: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt5oHpSy4PqpjALz74BpnRA
[16:38] <corrinado[m]> I've found unfa's stuff before and will forward that along with the channel you linked. TY!


[05:54] <ppisati> moin
[07:37] <smb> morning
[08:18]  * apw yawns
[08:43]  * ppisati wonders about all those abandoned pastebin entries...
[09:11] <apw> ppisati, i think they just go poof after a while
[09:12] <ppisati> apw: i was wondering if one could retrieve all the pastebins that he created, i just had to recreate one because i forgot the #id
[09:12] <apw> ppisati, heh interesting question
[11:45] <caribou> apw: my question is about NUMA memory policies
[11:45] <caribou> I'm trying to understand how the task.mempolicy structure get defined & used.
[11:46] <caribou> I'm on a kernel panic where task.mempolicy.mode = 0x0, which is the default value but which should never happen
[11:46] <caribou> since the case statement for MPOL_DEFAULT is BUG()
[11:47] <caribou> apw: fyi it's in mm/mempolicy.c into slab_node()
[11:53] <apw> caribou, so yes i read it the same, that if policy pointer is set then policy mode would not be 0, just checking now if they are cheating anywhere
[11:54] <apw>         if (!mpol || mpol->mode == MPOL_DEFAULT)
[11:54] <apw>                 return;         /* show nothing */
[11:54] <caribou> apw: in the crash I'm looking at, I got > 6000 task struct with mempolicy.mode = 0x3 & only one mongodb task that has it at 0x0
[11:54] <apw> i note that some of the shmem code implies that it might be possible regardless
[11:54] <apw> and where is it crashing, it is in that bug in slab_node() ?
[11:55] <caribou> apw: yep. I found one other report in some ML about a similar panic in 2.6.3x kernels
[11:55] <caribou> apw: I'm trying to figure out if this mempolicy.mode can be set by some userland syscall
[11:57] <apw> it is not clear that just returning numa_node_id() would be a heck of a lot safer than BUG()'ing
[11:57] <apw> :q
[11:58] <caribou> apw: ok, so I'm not looking in the wrong direction; that's what I wanted to confirm
[11:58] <caribou> apw: thanks for looking it up
[12:00] <caribou> apw: hmm, this could be some kind of use-after-free as the refcnt is 0x0
[12:03] <apw> caribou, that is believeable indeed, this is changed from userspace, mbind() seems to make it happen
[12:03] <apw> caribou, but that calls mpol_new to make the policy, and there the policy == NULL if you say MPOL_DEFAULT
[12:04] <apw> caribou, so i would concur you are most likely seeing a race on free or similar
[12:04] <diwic> apw, hi, is there a config-3.11.*-generic somewhere on gomeisa?
[12:05] <diwic> apw, I've just realized how stupid it is to build a kernel on your laptop with less than 10 GB free.
[12:05] <apw> diwic, hmmm dunno, you could just make one with fdr genconfigs in the tree
[12:05] <caribou> apw: ok, I'll investigate this
[12:06] <apw> diwic, are you building somethign which isn't our tree and already has the config in it ?
[12:06] <diwic> apw, I was thinking of bisecting v3.10 .. v3.11-rc1
[12:07] <diwic> apw, so then I would start with an upstream tree which might not have any debian/rules ?
[12:07] <caribou> apw: and if MPOL_DEFAULT make policy == NULL, then slab_node will return numa_node_id()
[12:07] <apw> diwic, then just fdr genconfigs (locally in your tree) and look in CONFIGS/* for the one you need to copy over
[12:07] <apw> caribou, yeah if you have a reference count of 0 it is all bad
[12:08] <apw> caribou, you should check the policy pointer is in the policy slab while you are at it
[12:08] <apw> though i suspect it will be
[12:09] <caribou> apw: ok, will do. Thanks
[12:21] <diwic> apw, hmm, or I can just scp one over from my saucy laptop
[12:22] <apw> diwic, yep they are in /boot obviously
[12:22] <diwic> yeah
[14:53] <caribou> apw: do you have a couple of minutes to talk a bit more about my mempolicy issue ?
[14:54] <caribou> or anyone else who have followed the previous discussion
[14:54] <apw> caribou, sure
[14:55] <caribou> apw: here is the full backtrace : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6154796/
[14:55] <caribou> apw: looking at the bottom of the backtrace shows that the process is exiting & has already started to destroy the mempolicy slab (in __mpol_put)=
[14:56] <caribou> apw: then it is interrupted by an IRQ coming from the network (net_rx_action)
[14:56] <caribou> apw: I just want to make sure I get the context correctly :
[14:58] <apw> caribou, yes it seems that is correct, though somehow that intterupt context
[14:58] <caribou> apw: it is while handling the IRQ that it does the __slab_alloc which uses a kmem from the numa_policy slab, the same one that he had started to hand over
[14:58] <apw> has a reference to the mpolicy, but the reference count should have been higher if it does
[14:59] <caribou> apw: __mpol_put had already decreased the refcnt a few cycles prior to getting the IRQ apparently
[15:00] <caribou> __mpol_put does it just before calling keme_cache_free
[15:01] <caribou> apw: I'm trying to get more recent kernels tested (3.8ish) this is on 3.2.0-38
[15:02] <apw> that implies the reference count is lower than it should be, that someone freed it and didn't clear a pointer or similar though
[15:02] <caribou> apw: I'm just surprized that the slab allocation is handing over the same numa_policy structure so fast
[15:02] <apw> it will hand out the last one deallocated as it is cache hot
[15:03] <caribou> apw: well, it's still being freed at the bottom of the backtrace, prior to the IRQ
[15:03] <caribou> apw: thought so
[15:04] <apw> caribou, not necessarily we are still in the free routine, but if we are giving up the CPU we are most likely past freeing it
[15:04] <apw> at the point where we would return or similar
[15:05] <caribou> apw: so if I understand it correctly, the task is ramping down, releasing its numa_policy slab, then gets hit by the IRQ that goes on allocating a slab that turns out to be the same one
[15:05] <caribou> ?!?
[15:05] <apw> so this is allocating out of a different slab as well
[15:05] <apw> so does this not mean that this process is clearing its numa policy
[15:05] <apw> we take an interrupt, a
[15:05] <apw> and allocate something from the slab, but using the 'current' processes numa policy
[15:06] <apw> so that might mean we have not done the clean up in a good order
[15:06] <apw> as if we are freeing it we should be no longer using it
[15:06] <caribou> apw: from what I see, the cleanup had not been completed when the IRQ got it
[15:06] <apw>         mpol_put(tsk->mempolicy);
[15:06] <caribou> s/it/in
[15:06] <apw>         tsk->mempolicy = NULL;
[15:07] <ppisati> brb
[15:07] <apw> right but .. we are exiting, so we throw away our policy to the allocator, _then_ remove it
[15:07] <apw> that seems backwards
[15:07] <apw> i would expect to see thing
[15:07] <apw> tmp = tsk->mempolicy
[15:08] <apw> tsk->mempolicy = NULL
[15:08] <apw> mpol_put(tmp)
[15:08] <apw> now ... i think that the writer of the code believes we can not do that becasue we have 'task_lock(tsk)' but this
[15:08] <apw> code path seems to imply not
[15:08] <apw> if this is something you could reproduce then i would recommend trying that tmp thing
[15:09] <caribou> apw: ok. I'm trying to see if we can find a way to reproduce
[15:11] <apw> caribou, shall i spin you a patch to try ?  or you got it
[15:12] <caribou> apw: let me try to reproduce it first
[15:12] <apw> caribou, i'll put a quick patch together, its pretty simple
[15:20] <rtg> apw, at least the 3.12 keyboard problem isn't systemic. it appears to work on an AMD gizmo
[15:22] <apw> rtg, good to kno
[15:22] <apw> i'll try it out here in a bit
[15:22] <rtg> apw, gonna fire it up on a gigabyte MB soon
[15:23] <rtg> as soon as my USB stick flashes....
[15:24] <apw> rtg heh
[17:57] <rtg> apw, well, so far everything seems to work on 3.12-rc2. at least all of the mainline bits. overlay and aufs are still disabled.
[17:58] <rtg> hmm, should check audio
[18:01] <apw> rtg, ok will have a poke at the overlay etc tommorrow
[18:01] <apw> when i am awake
[18:02] <rtg> apw, oh yeah, what are you doing around ? get lost. go have a beer.
[19:31]  * rtg -> lunch
[20:55]  * rtg -> EOD


[15:12] <RichEd> flint: pray explain or elucidate for lesser mortals ?
[19:17] <RichEd> ogra: I presume that users would be advised to read the ubuntu 7.10 release notes as well as ours ?
[19:19] <flint> RichEd, Versionitus is a disease where you are compelled to run the latest bleeding edge of whatever version of software takes your fancy.  Elkner practically invented this disease.
[19:20] <LaserJock> RichEd: hmm, that seems like too much reading
[19:20] <LaserJock> :-)
[19:20] <RichEd> oh ... like donald trump and wives ?
[19:20] <LaserJock> haha
[19:20] <flint> RichEd, you mentioned that you were interested in early adopters of 7.10.  He is  a prime candidate...
[19:20] <RichEd> he upgrades when the software becomes bloatware ;)
[19:21] <flint> RichEd, we here in the colonies refer to him as "The Donald"...
[19:22] <flint> RichEd, eh, it is worse than that.  It is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder applied to version control...
[19:22] <RichEd> flint: or "him with *the* hair"
[19:22] <flint> RichEd, Elkner has "version lack of control" or Versionitus1
[19:22] <flint> Versionitus!
[19:23] <flint> RichEd, that said he is a bright light for Edubuntu in DC.
[19:24] <RichEd> flint good to hear ...
[19:24]  * RichEd is slightly busy with release notes / announcements so forgive any tardy response to the banter
[19:25] <RichEd> (i'd hate to get too distracted and mail cr@ppola to our faithful audience)
[23:23] <Ziroday> Will new version of edubuntu be released same time as ubuntu?
[23:24] <stgraber> Ziroday: yes
[23:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[23:24] <Ziroday> thanks
[23:35] <JordanC> :-)
[23:44] <yotux> I installed edubuntu 7.10 and get not ltsp boot
[23:47] <stgraber> hmm, what build was that ? (the beta is known to have that kind of problem)
[23:48] <yotux> I installed off a beta
[23:48] <yotux> I am not a RC1 + I think
[23:48] <yotux> I am running the fix found on the ubuntu page
[23:49] <stgraber> yotux: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20071016/gutsy-server-i386.iso
[23:49] <yotux> think I may still be in trouble I have two nics and only one is configured
[23:49] <stgraber> yotux: this is the ISO that'll likely be that final Gutsy
[23:49] <yotux> I am using a 64bit ISO
[23:49] <stgraber> yotux: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20071016/gutsy-server-amd64.iso
[23:49] <stgraber> then
[23:49] <yotux> Is it ok to download form there?
[23:51] <stgraber> sure, that's the current Gutsy candidate, as there is no critical bug it'll be renamed and published as the final one tomorrow
[23:51] <yotux> ok
[23:51] <yotux> So I can do everything in edubuntu that I can in ubuntu expect it already has ltsp installed in it
[23:52] <yotux> plus education software :)
[23:59] <yotux> is there a place that I can read to find out what is on the addon cd


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[14:27] <jlec> I guys
[14:27] <jlec> *Hi
[14:27] <jlec> If I dropped the maasdb, how can I recreate it?
[14:33] <jlec> Is MAAS still using South?
[14:33] <jlec> AFAIK is has been deprecated 2 years ago


[15:25] <Eickmeyer> Hi everyone! I've got my Ubuntu Studio hat on, and I'm not happy that the lowlatency kernel is officially lagging behind the generic kernel in jammy. This is what I feared would happen as a result of splitting the source package.
[15:26] <Eickmeyer> I'm seeing not only a divergence of version numbers, but the lowlatency kernel is taking far more time in -proposed.
[15:27] <Eickmeyer> This makes no sense as there's very little difference in build flags.
[15:58] <xnox> it failed automated testing
[15:58] <xnox> and you will notice many cloud kernels failed too
[15:59] <xnox> generic is now on 25, for which lowlatency will be respun too
[16:00] <xnox> jammy has no support, and no guarantees that various kernel flavours would go out together. Unlike SRU cycles which we aim to release all kernels together.
[16:01] <xnox> Eickmeyer:  what problems arise from different lowlatency build numbers?
[16:01] <xnox> does your daily iso fail to build?
[16:02] <Eickmeyer> xnox: No, I'm mostly worried about the security implications in addition to the grub menu ordering if both generic and lowlatency are installed, such as cases where people use ubuntustudio-installer on other flavors. Ubuntu Studio isn't just a flavor, it's also a toolset/configuration.
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> We have a package that mitigates the ordering (ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings), but people don't necessarily have to install it.
[16:04] <Eickmeyer> As you know, grub always picks the highest version number of any given kernel as the default.
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> BUT, I'm mostly worried that it will fall-behind with security patches as more attention will be given to the generic kernel, unlike before when they were in the same source it forced both to have equal attention.
[16:06] <xnox> Eickmeyer:  all releases have -generic kernels that are below and above lowlatency; meaning all releases can have unpredictable grub menu, unless grub.d conf snippet is specified as to which flavour is prefered
[16:06] <xnox> all our kernels have the same support time frame
[16:07] <xnox> jammy has no security support; and you notice that all jammy kernels at the momement are behind security fixes compared with impish/focal/bionic/xenial
[16:07] <xnox> in stable releases; generic and lowlatency are spun together, using the same source code (and security fixes) doh
[16:07] <xnox> Eickmeyer:  your concerns and worries are unjust and missplaced.
[16:08] <xnox> the current migration delays of lowlatency appears to be mostly driven by introduction of arm64 support; which appears to be regressing in test results within jammy release.
[16:08] <Eickmeyer> xnox: So, when jammy is stable, it generic and lowlatency kernels will be spun together? Is that what I'm understanding?
[16:10] <xnox> yes.
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> I'm just looking for reassurances, I'm sorry if i come across as accusatry.
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that's all I needed to know.
[16:10] <xnox> and GRUB_FLAVOUR_ORDER is required if one always wants "generic" or "lowlatency" as the top boot entry
[16:11] <xnox> because for example in focal today 5.4.0-XX-generic < 5.4.0-XX-lowlatency < 5.15.0-XX-generic < 5.15.0-XX-lowlatency in grub's mind
[16:11] <xnox> depending on which meta's one has installed.
[16:11] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, we've got a mechanism in place, and also adds "threadirqs" to the lowlatency kernel command line, because even though it's built with the right flags, threadirqs isn't activated by default (ever).
[16:12] <xnox> (in case somebody installed intentionally or accidentally linux-(generic|lowlatancy|virtual)[[-hwe-20.04]-edge]
[16:13] <Eickmeyer> xnox: Either way, thanks for the reassurance.
[16:14] <xnox> Eickmeyer:  at least there _is_ lowlatency in jammy-release
[16:14] <xnox> Eickmeyer:  we still don't have some kernels in jammy-release that need to go on the iso =)))))
[16:14] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I saw oem is like that currently.
[16:18] <tjaalton> because I don't understand why some tests are failing :)
[16:22] <tjaalton> generic -25 failed testing too, but it was manually overridden
[16:25] <xnox> some of them are weird indeed
[16:27] <tjaalton> like, what's the hwclock test? I don't see it on any other kernel, unstable included
[16:37] <tjaalton> not true, it's on oem-5.14 too


[18:06] <LordOfTime> quick question
[18:06] <LordOfTime> about setting up automatic import of tarballs for series of a software
[18:07] <LordOfTime> under "Release URL Pattern", do I just do http://domain.tld/path/to/programsource-1.*.tar.gz for a 1.0 series released as tar.gz files?


[11:24] <cpaelzer> slyon: sarnold: joalif: didrocks: jamespage: could one have a look at https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-mir/pull/2 please?
[11:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 2 in canonical/ubuntu-mir "Help regular review" [Open]
[11:24] <cpaelzer> minimal changes to make the regular reviewer life a bit easier


[21:52] <dmfrey> when i update mythbuntu, i am getting this error when updating mythweb "ImportError: No module named 'heapq'"
[21:52] <dmfrey> its a python error
[21:53] <dmfrey> how do i fix this?
[23:27] <dmfrey> looks like heapq.py is missing in /usr/lib/python3.4/


[03:03] <valorie> bkerensa: if so, I haven't heard about it
[03:03] <valorie> no way I can do leadership on that
[03:03] <valorie> now


[20:54] <wxl> It's time for Lubuntu Council elections: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/lubuntu-council-elections-2024/4798?u=tsimonq2