[10:34] <anpok> duflu: i change the format index to storing the format in the interface, and also displayconfiguration itself.. the same could be done for modes..
[10:35] <duflu> anpok: Thanks... I'm trying to finish and log off right now but finding too many bugs :S
[10:41] <duflu> anpok: Are you building/running on Android yet?
[10:43] <duflu> Nevermind... If you're able to, please have a look at implementing the missing mocks; https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1264968
[10:46] <anpok> duflu: yes building on it
[10:48] <anpok> started looking at clang-format, still making too many formating mistakes
[10:48] <anpok> duflu: ok will have a look
[10:49] <anpok> duflu: should I do that change for the mode indices too?
[10:50] <duflu> anpok: Please avoid any changes not directly related to the task at hand. So change your new parms yes, but worry about others as a separate proposal
[10:50] <anpok> k
[10:56] <duflu> anpok: Many smaller proposals is better. People are much more likely to review smaller changes :)
[10:57] <duflu> Also, cohesive revisions are good
[10:57] <duflu> Ugh, I need to go


[20:08] <jayfly> Hello there what is the mirrors url for armhf boards for security ?  for debootstrap.
[20:27] <infinity> jayfly: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
[20:28] <jayfly> infinity:  so  there is no secutiy url  for surces list like debian ?
[20:29] <jayfly> Like after I run second-stage and use qemu-arm-static.  then alter sources.list.
[20:29] <jayfly> via chroot
[20:32] <infinity> jayfly: We publish security to the main archive too.  The only reason we *also* provide a security.ubuntu.com is if you're using a mirror that updates slowly, our security mirror is always up to date.
[20:32] <infinity> jayfly: But that doesn't matter for ports, since it's always up to date too, and no one mirrors it. :P
[20:32] <jayfly> sweet thanks a bunch !!
[20:32] <infinity> jayfly: (You want wily-security in your sources.list, of course, but it can be from the same ports.u.c)
[20:32] <infinity> And wily-updates
[20:32] <jayfly> my web app builds for all the odroids and pi's having a lot of fun with it.
[20:32] <infinity> s/wily/trusty/ or whatever you're using.
[20:33] <jayfly> got it
[20:33] <jayfly> I will just right a case statment to say hey if ubuntu just add the main urll
[20:33] <jayfly> url *
[20:34] <infinity> jayfly: If the above was unclear, it should look something like this:
[20:34] <infinity> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12276398/
[20:35] <infinity> jayfly: And you can get away with the same trick for x86 too, if you use Canonical mirrors (archive.ubuntu.com), but if you use non-Canonical mirrors (TLD.archive.ubuntu.com or other), then you want security.u.c for security, because mirrors aren't guaranteed to be up to the minute.
[20:35] <jayfly> that is what I was looking for thanks again    trusty-security
[20:36] <jayfly> thanks again infinity  :)
[20:36] <jayfly> now I can add Ubuntu to the autobuilder's nice webinterface
[20:38] <jayfly> lol pixz keeps on overheating my crappy computer lol.  I should check the arch and mem
[20:38] <infinity> jayfly: FWIW, the reason Debian needs to have a security mirror and we don't really is because Debian's ftpmaster only publishes once or twice a day (and pushes to mirrors), while security.debian.org publishes instantly whenever the security team pushes an update.  So, if you had to wait for ftpmaster, you might be a sad panda.
[20:39] <infinity> jayfly: In Ubuntu, we just publish the whole lot every 15m or so, but only push to non-Canonical mirrors every 4h.
[20:39] <jayfly> No one likes sad panda's
[20:39] <jayfly> well maybe panda hunters but not sure that most people like them
[20:39] <jayfly> whoa every 15 minutes that is great !!
[20:39] <infinity> Great, or insane, take your pick.
[20:40] <infinity> Despite being one of the people behind that, I'm never quite sure if it's crazy. ;)
[20:40] <jayfly> I will go 51-50 on that one
[20:40] <infinity> But it works for us.  You can also understand why we limit how often we push that outside our network. :P
[20:40] <infinity> Mirror operators would strangle us if we triggered them every 15m.
[20:41] <jayfly> infinity:  sometimes debian mirror gives me 404 and build fails half way between stage two of debootstrap.  I should just bite the bullet get some TB drives and clone mirror
[20:41] <jayfly> but I think my network can not handle
[20:42] <infinity> Some mirrors are certainly more reliable than others.
[20:42] <infinity> And if you're using a round-robin DNS alias, you might get screwed if you're in the middle of a push, cause you get Packages from mirror A, and the /pool/ of mirror B.
[20:42]  * jayfly afk 5 minutes to look for fan to put next to autobuilder on this hot day in CA
[20:42] <infinity> Usually best to pick a specific reliable mirror that's near you and just abuse that one.
[20:46]  * jayfly back
[22:04] <jayfly>  /join #odroid


[01:43] <ScottK> czajkowski: I was offline for $work, but I don't think we had much to discuss anyway.


[03:09] <hajour> goodnight all its 4:09 in night so i need some sleep to.
[12:10] <webczat> Hey.
[12:15] <webczat> Is there java-atk-wrapper in ubuntu?
[17:16] <hajour> great ubuntu-beginners forum is going to test out accessibility on the test forum
[17:17] <hajour> charlie-tca, cprofitt maco TheMuso ^
[17:17] <hajour> and everyone else
[17:18] <hajour> need to help cooking now just wanted to let you all know
[17:22] <hajour> and JanC  see above :)
[17:27] <charlie-tca> very good
[17:35] <JanC> nice
[18:22] <hajour> ok back
[18:23] <webczat> hey
[18:23] <hajour> good news thought testing accessibility now on ubuntu test forum
[18:24] <hajour> webczat, ^
[18:26] <webczat> :
[18:26] <hajour> and only because i had complained about it .i am a little surprised by that
[18:27] <webczat> What happens with java-access-bridge on ubuntu-10.10 and 11? it's deprecated and doesn't work due to some orbit errors whh...
[18:29] <webczat> errors on 2 screens of a terminal
[18:29] <hajour> i don't no charlie-tca  do you now about that ^ ?
[18:31] <hajour> charlie-tca,  will response but have multiple channels webczat
[18:31] <webczat> I have 6 :d had 12
[18:31] <hajour> if he not know it he probably will now who do know it webczat
[18:32] <webczat> mhm
[18:32] <webczat> Actually the non-deprecated thing is java-atk-wrapper.
[18:34] <hajour> i am not a programmer or something webczat  i hope soon there is a usable read write program for me to learn more
[18:34] <hajour> i have size 18 fonts on irc chat
[18:35]  * webczat is totally and irrecoverably blind :d
[18:35] <hajour> a witch program you use webczat ?
[18:36] <hajour> i have been blind several times webczat
[18:36] <webczat> What?
[18:36] <webczat> ah
[18:37] <hajour> i need a program what read out loud with understandable voice.i got dislectic to most with reading
[18:37] <hajour> webczat,
[18:37] <webczat> mmmm
[18:37] <webczat> Is orca seen to you as understandable?
[18:37] <webczat> I mean espeak
[18:37] <webczat> Because orca isn't a synthesizer
[18:38] <hajour> orca is mechanical voice not yet have get prudence voice get working with open mary webczat
[18:38] <hajour> orca do hurt my ears webczat
[18:39] <webczat> it's espeak. if you have a synth, you can probably use it with orca if it has speech-dispatcher module.
[18:39] <webczat> if i understand that correctly
[18:39] <hajour> i now we just have get with help from AlanBell  libopenmary get working webczat
[18:40] <webczat> I use orca and occassionally speakup.
[18:40] <hajour> i am team leader from speechcontrol webczat
[18:40] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[18:40] <hajour> we gor people in the team who have worked on espeak
[18:40] <hajour> gor=got
[18:41] <webczat> mhm
[18:41] <hajour> and TheMuso  also is in our team webczat
[18:41] <webczat> Actually I now don't want to change espeak to anything else. after few months...
[18:42] <webczat> Or actually... I remember I didn't need to wait few months for me to promptly use it
[18:42] <hajour> speechcontrol is read write program with voicecommand webczat
[18:42] <hajour> it need to be usable to for light weight programs webczat
[18:43] <hajour> a AlanBell
[18:43] <hajour> maybe you can help webczat
[18:43] <webczat> depends in what
[18:43] <AlanBell> yeah, just looking back for a question to answer :)
[18:44] <AlanBell> java atk stuff
[18:44] <hajour> also if webczat  is helped i would have get some help with trying to install a speechprogram on this laptop from my daughter AlanBell
[18:45] <AlanBell> hajour: I think you need to learn to use orca
[18:45] <AlanBell> I do too, it is a big thing to learn
[18:45] <webczat> yeah
[18:45] <hajour> i think on this laptop it will be possible to put a speechprogram on it
[18:45] <AlanBell> I can get the openmary synth working with orca for you
[18:45] <webczat> use orca
[18:45] <hajour> it was not possible to put it on my old eeepc
[18:45] <AlanBell> and you can use my remote openmary install, or a local one on your laptop
[18:45] <webczat> AlanBell: coding the module or wtf?
[18:46] <AlanBell> webczat: I have a generic module that works
[18:46] <hajour> wanted to try openmary AlanBell
[18:46] <hajour> but we cant get prudence voice working
[18:46] <AlanBell> a speech dispatcher module using the generic driver that is
[18:46] <hajour> a you mean libopenmary AlanBell ?
[18:46] <AlanBell> nope
[18:47] <AlanBell> I have no idea what libopenmary is supposed to do
[18:47] <AlanBell> even having read the source code
[18:47] <hajour> or was it not usable?
[18:47] <webczat> AlanBell: what about java awt thing?
[18:48] <hajour> UndiFineD,  can explain it to you or JackyAlcine  AlanBell
[18:48] <hajour> JackyAlcine,  ping
[18:48] <AlanBell> webczat: not sure about java atk stuff
[18:48] <webczat> or about jab legacy?
[18:48] <webczat> I someday tested the atk thingy and it worked, but ubuntu still has this deprecated jab. and it even does not work.
[18:50] <webczat> because of orbit errors. that also prevents using it after upgrading to at-spi2 if ever done
[18:50] <AlanBell> !info libaccess-bridge-java
[18:51] <hajour> have pinged JackyAlcine  in pm for you AlanBell
[18:51] <AlanBell> webczat: ok, I see what that is supposed to do
[18:52] <AlanBell> webczat: I will have a go with that later
[18:52] <AlanBell> if that one is deprecated where is the upstream we should be using?
[18:53] <webczat> java-atk-wrapper
[18:53] <hajour> not yet have get respond AlanBell
[18:53] <hajour> from JackyAlcine
[18:55] <AlanBell> webczat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537779
[18:55] <ubot2> Debian bug 537779 in wnpp "RFP: java-atk-wrapper -- An ATK implementation for Java using JNI" [Wishlist,Open]
[18:55] <AlanBell> looks like it is not yet packaged in debian :(
[18:57] <AlanBell> I will have more of a play later, that is probably something we could bring up at UDS and get someone to package it and get it in Debian
[18:57] <AlanBell> hajour: I will help you get openmary working with speech dispatcher on your laptop later
[18:58] <hajour> ok AlanBell
[18:58] <AlanBell> hajour: does orca work right now for you?
[18:58] <hajour> AlanBell,  danielo108 will explain it to you
[18:58] <AlanBell> as in, you run orca and it talks?
[18:58] <hajour> i not get a understandable voice AlanBell
[18:58] <AlanBell> yeah, that is fine
[18:59] <hajour> it sounds better but it mmm looking for the right english word now
[18:59] <AlanBell> but if you run it now it should say "welcome to orca" and "orca screen reader slash magnifier frame preferences button"
[18:59] <hajour> going translate brb
[19:00] <AlanBell> don't care if it sounds horrible, just want to know if it works
[19:00] <JackyAlcine> lol
[19:00]  * JackyAlcine was pinged; can't determine what exactly for.
[19:00] <hajour> orca falters
[19:01] <hajour> JackyAlcine,  AlanBell  wants to no where libopenmary is for to use
[19:01] <AlanBell> actually I am off out to water plants now
[19:01] <JackyAlcine> Lol
[19:01] <hajour> so its falters then repeat the font over the next font AlanBell
[19:02] <JackyAlcine> But yeah, libopenmary was originally designed to be used the same way libespeak is.
[19:02] <hajour> and then its not understandable
[19:02] <hajour> AlanBell,
[19:02] <JackyAlcine> But as AlanBell brought to the team's attention; it can also be used to create a plugin to speechd to support MARY.
[19:02] <hajour> needed time to explain in english
[19:03] <hajour> yes i heard JackyAlcine
[19:03] <hajour> we need to organize a meeting soon again JackyAlcine
[19:04] <JackyAlcine> Indeed; as soon as I can get my home system more stabilized..
[19:04] <hajour> i am switching often from pc at the moment JackyAlcine
[19:04] <hajour> i not have a own pc anymore
[19:04] <JackyAlcine> But meetings would be more easier for me to attend on the weekend, as school's coming to a close and I have to please my college.
[19:05] <hajour> i understand but saterday i need to go sleep early as i have to stand up at 6:00 in morning on sunday to get my plain to uds JackyAlcine
[19:06] <JackyAlcine> Oh man! UDS!
[19:06] <hajour> yes
[19:07] <JackyAlcine> lol, keep forgetting about that
[19:07] <hajour> thats next week JackyAlcine
[19:16]  * webczat says re
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I went to lunch and last minute shopping for travel
[19:29] <hajour> brb need to get my kids to bed so
[19:30] <webczat> charlie-tca: do you know something about java-atk-wrapper or jab?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> no, I don't really. I have seen a couple of bug reports about java-bridge not working
[19:31] <charlie-tca> but that is the extent of it.
[19:33] <webczat> yeah. jab is deprecated, right?
[19:33] <webczat> I heart it's replaced by java-atk-wrapper
[19:33] <charlie-tca> yeah, to the best of my knowledge, jab is deprecated. Didn't know about the replacement.
[19:34] <webczat> yes, there is :)
[19:34] <webczat> I remember me testing it one time
[19:35] <webczat> I think ubuntu needs to replace jab with java-atk-wrapper, I heart that it's currently completed but some things need fixing. that's better than something that doesn't work at all because of some corba things.
[19:36] <webczat> It at least does not crash the whole java thing.
[19:36] <charlie-tca> I defer to TheMuso for that kind of stuff. I do the testing and wiki updates when I can, but I am not a developer.
[19:36] <webczat> But there's a cool and understandable error message with a backtrace. :)
[19:37] <webczat> And I don't understand it cause I don't know corba.
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Like I say, I have to let developers put everything together. I can test things and tell what does and what does not work, but I don't understand all the application interaction
[19:41] <webczat> mhm
[20:02] <Daniel0108> hi
[20:02] <webczat> hi
[20:22] <JanC> webczat: is there and Ubuntu bug about java-atk-wrapper ?
[20:22] <webczat> JanC: I am not really sure.
[20:25] <JanC> or maybe a bug about the one that doesn't work  ;)
[20:27] <webczat> Probably there is. I didn't check bugs, I just like asked for advice.
[20:28] <webczat> or info
[20:32] <AlanBell> webczat: I don't think there is an Ubuntu bug about it, if there is somewhere then it will just be a pointer to the debian request to package bug
[20:32] <webczat> I want to program in swing
[20:33] <JanC> AlanBell: a bug that links to the debian one would be useful though
[20:33] <AlanBell> what would it be filed against though?
[20:33] <AlanBell> debian bug 537779
[20:33] <JanC> probably against the old one?
[20:33] <ubot2> Debian bug 537779 in wnpp "RFP: java-atk-wrapper -- An ATK implementation for Java using JNI" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/537779
[20:33] <JanC> the old library, I mean
[20:34] <AlanBell> ok
[20:35] <JanC> seems like it's in the libaccess-bridge-java / libaccess-bridge-java-jni packages
[20:35] <AlanBell> bug 429296
[20:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 429296 in java-access-bridge "Does not work!" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429296
[20:36] <AlanBell> that bug has the corba error webczat mentioned I think
[20:38] <AlanBell> why do we think java-access-bridge is deprecated?
[20:38] <JanC> I wonder how it's using Corba though?
[20:38] <JanC> in Natty I mean
[20:38] <AlanBell> at-spi stuff probably, doesn't really matter
[20:40] <AlanBell> just want to file a bug against it for being deprecated
[20:40] <JanC> what I mean is that it doesn't seem to use any CORBA library
[20:42] <JanC> some Java stdlib implementation maybe
[20:44] <AlanBell> can't find any reference to it being deprecated so I am not filing a bug against it for that
[20:44] <JanC> well, maybe it's not deprecated but just not maintained...
[20:47] <AlanBell> yeah, well it has the "doesn't work" bug already
[20:49] <JanC> didn't Oracle tell most Sun a11y developers to find another job?  :-/
[20:51] <JanC> well, and some by Sun itself and IBM before that apparently...  :-/
[20:54] <AlanBell> pretty much, yes
[20:54] <JanC> mayeb we need to remind them about http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/profit/features/070609-community-143624.html  :P
[20:56] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-accessibility-team/
[20:56]  * AlanBell added it to the discussion notes for UDS
[20:57] <webczat> AlanBell: jab is probably deprecated because it uses at-spi, not atk
[20:57] <webczat> and it's at-spi1
[20:58] <webczat> ubuntu has at-spi1 but at-spi1 is actually being replaced with version 2.
[20:58] <webczat> Hmm, does oracle do something with java accessibility?
[20:59] <AlanBell> webczat: I can't find a link to something saying it is deprecated
[21:00] <webczat> Masaybe. I'm sure that it's, but it's better to first be sure
[21:00] <JanC> well, it's still needed for systems that use ATK 1.x (with bonobo)
[21:00] <AlanBell> I do understand that is uses at-spi1 and corba and thus must be deprecated, but I need something to link to if I am filing a bug against it
[21:00] <JanC> which includes many LTS-style distros
[21:01] <AlanBell> yeah, still might be deprecated
[21:01] <AlanBell> doesn't mean it can't be used, just marks it as a strategic dead end
[21:01] <webczat> yes. so at least make it work :/
[21:01] <JanC> AlanBell: the lack of any developers working on it might mean nobody can mark it as deprecated of course
[21:01] <webczat> It was to devs as a whole actually :d
[21:02] <JanC> officially
[21:02] <webczat> If jab will be there but will work I won't care.
[21:14] <JanC> webczat: you might be able to get it to work with http://rdfintrospector2.blogspot.com/2009/09/bonobo-crazy-monkeys-java-at-api.html
[21:15] <JanC> but that's only a temporary solution for as long as at-spi API v1 is still supported  :-/
[21:28] <webczat> page not found
[21:32] <AlanBell> works for me
[21:32] <webczat> but not for me ugh
[21:33] <webczat> hmm now it doea
[21:33] <webczat> s/does
[21:42] <webczat> No solution there.
[22:15] <hajour> sorry i had a long pm
[22:53] <MrBadWiki> Aloha ka po'e apau
[23:12] <webczat> Re.
[23:13] <MrChrisDruif> Re.?
[23:16] <webczat> :))
[23:17] <hajour> also already wondering what re meant
[23:39] <webczat> Hmm, going to sleep, good night all!
[23:56] <hajour> still not know what Re means
[23:57] <MrChrisDruif> hajour: Might be return


[04:45] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: ristretto 0.12.2 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:26] <FurretUber> Hi, I'm using Xubuntu Jammy Daily. I'm having trouble with the xfce4-panel, as it isn't showing all notification icons (for example, nm-applet is missing). What is/are the panel extension(s) that should show all the notification icons?
[17:29] <FurretUber> Another problem is that sometimes xfwm4 won't find a screen and then I get a session without a window manager and panel, then I have to open a terminal and start xfwm4 manually
[17:43] <FurretUber> The xfwm4 one is a newer problem, but the panel one exists for at least 2 months (the bug 1949589 has another way it can appear)
[18:59] <tomreyn> so xubuntu.com still advertizes potency pills
[19:00] <tomreyn> i mean xubuntu.org
[19:00] <tomreyn> does this need to be fixed by #canonical-sysadmin rather?
[20:23] <knome> tomreyn, i can't see that
[20:26] <knome> no, i can
[20:26] <knome> let me see if i can do something about that.
[20:27] <knome> yes wtf, the screenshots page content was injected with some crap.
[20:30] <knome> that is now fixed
[20:31] <knome> also, i got some of those password reset mails for contest. again today
[20:32] <knome> re-running the quttera scan, other scans did not return malware
[20:53] <knome> tomreyn, i've reported this for canonical, but for another reason: i can't seem to find a way to get the cache cleared. https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=37323
[20:55] <knome> and this is clearly a cache issue, since i can get the new content visible when adding any arbitrary query argument: https://xubuntu.org/screenshots/?abc
[21:28] <tomreyn> knome: ah good point there, hadn't tried that. i had pointed out that last time an IS initiated server side cache purge was needed, though
[21:28] <knome> the cache seems to have cleared now, though
[21:34] <knome> i guess at least to me...
[21:34] <knome> quttera is reporting 9 malicious files
[21:35] <knome> oh, ftp.free.fr is raising some issues
[21:35] <knome> i wonder why
[21:36] <knome> though
[21:36] <knome> now all of the errors are about it
[21:42] <tomreyn> "Detected reference to malicious blacklisted domain ftp.free.fr"
[21:43] <knome> yeah..
[21:43] <knome> but nothing about malicious files/content
[21:43] <knome> and that should indeed be gone from screenshots too
[21:44] <tomreyn> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/domain/ftp.free.fr/relations
[21:45] <tomreyn> those seem to be false positives, though
[21:46] <knome> only CRDF classifies it as malicious
[21:46] <tomreyn> the domain, yes. but others classify files hoste don it as malicious
[21:47] <tomreyn> (but not the domain)
[21:47] <knome> oh well :)
[21:48] <tomreyn> but yes, the problem just seems to be with a bad classification by CRDF
[21:48] <knome> there are days when i hope i had nothing to do with computers (:
[21:50] <tomreyn> i reported http://ftp.free.fr as a FP to https://threatcenter.crdf.fr/ now - "Your request number<PHONE_NUMBER>45502549 has been sent and will be processed within 12 hours."
[21:50] <knome> thank you
[21:50] <knome> though ultimately, that seems minor for us
[21:50] <tomreyn> and thanks to you
[21:51] <knome> (fortunately)
[21:51] <knome> no problem!
[21:51] <tomreyn> yes, but it's an open source software mirror, affects many projects
[21:51] <knome> yep
[21:51] <knome> sure
[21:51] <knome> though i guess they host tons of stuff
[21:51] <knome> so you can't ever know if it's all clean
[21:51] <knome> (and probanly isn't..)
[21:52] <knome> *b
[21:52] <tomreyn> so it's sensible to do what every other vendor does, not blacklist the site but the individual (supposed) malware
[21:52] <knome> indeed
[21:56] <JackFrost> Places are sometimes stupid about that, I got on a blacklist once for uploading an exe that had FPs to a files section of my site, it was for easier submission to virustotal and otherwise not linked.  I got on a blacklist for months IIRC. :/
[21:56] <knome> yup...
[21:56] <knome> and hey JackFrost
[21:56] <JackFrost> Hello.
[21:59] <tomreyn> :) AV is sooo broken
[22:13] <tomreyn> "We are pleased to inform you that the domain name "ftp.free.fr" have been removed from our database. Thank you kindly note that the spread of the new corrected database may take some time (about 4 hours)."
[22:13] <knome> :)
[22:14] <tomreyn> and https://quttera.com/detailed_report/www.xubuntu.org is happy now
[22:14] <knome> indeed, thanks again tomreyn
[22:17] <tomreyn> and https://quttera.com/detailed_report/xubuntu.org is not. ;-) i'll shut up now.
[22:17] <knome> huh :P
[22:17] <knome> but that's the cache surely


[12:11] <boske_> hi, i have problems with desktop icons when i click it, it open it with kate
[12:12] <boske_> i don't know how to change it to open apps?


[02:20] <llstarks> what's the best way to build and test xorg 1.14 right now?
[02:53] <RAOF> llstarks: It's not in edgers? (I don't follow it, so it may well not be)
[02:53] <llstarks> it is not
[02:53] <RAOF> Booo.
[02:53] <llstarks> and xorg-testers is defunct
[03:02] <bjsnider> you could grab the source and use the latest xorg-edgers build scripts to build debs
[03:02] <bjsnider> assuming it doesn't fail for lack of the right symbols and whatnot
[03:11] <Sarvatt> llstarks: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging
[03:12] <Sarvatt> unity wont work with it atm, darn thing gets uploaded every day and needs patches applied :)
[03:12] <llstarks> wonderful, that should work for my testing. last resort before stressing myself with arch
[03:12] <llstarks> is unity compiss still being developed or is the transition to qml happening here?
[03:13] <Sarvatt> i'll upload a new one now
[03:13] <llstarks> wait, when was 7.0 landed?
[03:13] <Sarvatt> its in maintenance mode but still lots of stuff happening with it
[03:13] <Sarvatt> not sure its actually 7.0
[03:14] <llstarks> that's some feature freeze we've got going on
[03:14] <Sarvatt> or maybe they'll call the 7.0 features 8.0 in SS :)
[03:16] <Sarvatt> pretty sure they just bumped it to 7.0 to keep the branches sane after they started landing new stuff and backed it out
[03:17] <Sarvatt> ok uploaded, give it 45 minutes or so and unity will be fine
[03:18] <bjsnider> compiss?
[03:18] <llstarks> compiz is dead. dev disowned it and so did canonical
[03:19] <llstarks> the last relic of beryl and wobbly windows
[03:19] <llstarks> the reason i started using ubuntu
[03:22] <ScottK> Not the last relic.
[03:22] <ScottK> The compositing code in kwin is a compiz fork.
[03:23] <llstarks> i keep forgetting that kde exists
[03:25] <bjsnider> llstarks, you definitely use gnome-shell then
[03:25] <llstarks> yup
[03:25] <llstarks> gotta have my insta-search
[03:27] <bjsnider> it's the only thing a person of conscience should be using, obviously
[03:29] <bjsnider> i'm not sure what kde's philosophy is at this point, or how it's relevant. would it work on a smartphone or something?
[03:38] <ScottK> There's plasma active for small tablets
[03:38] <llstarks> i suppose active plasma or whatever the hell it is would
[03:38] <ScottK> yes
[08:10] <MCR> ricotz, hi. I there's a new fglrx beta out for some time now: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst13-3LINBetaDriver.aspx
[08:10] <MCR> ricotz, could you update xorg-edgers PPA with it please ?
[11:20] <seb128> intel_do_flush_locked failed: Input/output error
[11:21] <seb128> shrug, another gpu hang when dnding wins between screen on my i5 docked laptop
[11:21]  * seb128 reboots
[11:21] <tjaalton> hmm
[11:21] <tjaalton> I'll try that
[11:21] <tjaalton> +to reproduce
[11:42] <tjaalton> seb128: I tried to reproduce but couldn't, guess it doesn't happen that often?
[11:42] <seb128> tjaalton, define "often", I don't dare doing dnd between my 2 screens
[11:42] <tjaalton> otoh, unplugging the tv corrupted the top-half of the laptop panel
[11:42] <seb128> it happens at least once a day
[11:42] <seb128> and I do like 5 dnd a day
[11:42] <tjaalton> seb128: like not immediately
[11:42] <seb128> no
[11:43] <seb128> I tend to use the workspace expose and dnd stuff in that view to workaround it
[11:53] <tjaalton> seb128: could you test what happens on unplug?
[11:55] <seb128> tjaalton, you mean?
[11:56] <tjaalton> seb128: unplug the external monitor
[11:56] <seb128> tjaalton, unplugging what? one of the 2 screens?
[11:56] <tjaalton> seb128: you have two external monitors, and laptop screen closed?
[11:56] <tjaalton> lid closed
[11:56] <seb128> yes
[11:57] <seb128> well lid is not closed
[11:57] <seb128> but laptop screen is turned off from the display capplet
[11:57] <tjaalton> so three screens in total?
[11:57] <tjaalton> ah
[11:57] <seb128> I stopped closing the lid because the laptop screen wouldn't be detected on boot
[11:57] <seb128> and then I can't undock my laptop
[11:57] <seb128> or rather I can but get no screen :p
[11:57] <tjaalton> ok, guess you can't test my bug then :)
[11:58] <tjaalton> file yours btw
[11:58] <seb128> I unplugged one of the 2 screens
[11:59] <seb128> that reactivated my laptop screen and moved the content that was on the external that got unplugged to it
[11:59] <tjaalton> now unplug the other screen
[11:59] <seb128> replugged the external one and I'm back to my initial config
[11:59] <tjaalton> k
[12:01] <seb128> tjaalton, unplugging the second screen leads me with my laptop screen in use and working
[12:07] <tjaalton> alright, thanks
[12:25] <tjaalton> I can reproduce this too, bah
[12:40] <tjaalton> seb128: btw, I think your bug is fixed in 3.9 kernel, but hard to sru :/
[12:41] <tjaalton> and my bug was bug #1157678
[12:41] <seb128> tjaalton, you can reproduce the gpu hand on dnd between screens?
[12:41] <seb128> kernel :-(
[12:42] <tjaalton> seb128: no, but there are a number of commits to fix pageflip issues, which should help with it
[12:43] <tjaalton> hey, it's all kernel these days, even more so in the future :)
[12:43] <tjaalton> maybe some mesa but that's about it
[12:47] <tjaalton> who forgot to push -intel git?
[12:47] <tjaalton> bryce: ^ :)
[13:34] <tjaalton> wth, fixed the lightdm race upstart job by accident..
[13:53] <tjaalton> ohyes
[13:54] <tjaalton> http://pastebin.com/2bZu24yG
[15:57] <tjaalton> ok not that version, but it's still fixed \o/
[16:52] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: that hack is awful and you should feel awful ;)
[16:53] <mlankhorst> and the if was unneeded there
[17:16] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: old version
[17:16] <tjaalton> slangasek made a better one, and I fixed that too
[17:17] <tjaalton> here http://pastebin.com/reb2kPJw
[17:18] <tjaalton> added plymouth --ping, and dropped --no-wait from initctl
[17:18] <tjaalton> now it's working for both cases, normal and plymouth-in-initrd
[17:19] <mlankhorst> ah good
[17:20] <tjaalton> this should be added to plymouth in any case, enabling it in *dm.conf can be left as SRU material if necessary
[23:24] <llstarks> re xorg 1.14 discussion last night: x-staging ppa isn't really functional, lacks drivers like synaptics
[23:24] <llstarks> causes unstable apt
[23:52] <llstarks> still no luck with nvidia 319 on hybrid, might need to try arch to eliminate distro as a variable


[00:16] <studio-user767> greetings everybody
[01:37] <studio> hey I need some help starting jack on 12.04 ubuntu studio..
[01:38] <studio> I just came over from arch linux and I'm a little disappointed with no out-of-box jack support
[03:52] <damo22> anyone want to see the stereo keyboard amp cabinet i built?
[09:39] <forage> what does ubuntu studio offer by default for capturing video (firewire)?
[09:41] <forage> i.e. what software is included?
[09:58] <mighty_aboba> I created the keyboard shortcut for jackdbus killing:D
[09:59] <mighty_aboba> "elegant" decision :D
[10:01] <mlpug> howabout a cronjob that finds out the pid and kills it if jackdbus exists
[10:06] <mighty_aboba> no, i need it only when i press to the exit button and jackdbus is not killing
[12:13] <ravengeek> evening all
[12:13] <ravengeek> :)
[12:55] <mighty_aboba> Maybe anybody know how can I set keyboard shortcuts for qjackctl?
[12:56] <mighty_aboba> Example: shortcut for the start button pressing
[12:56] <mighty_aboba> or stop
[12:56] <mighty_aboba> or profile change
[14:22] <len-dt> mighty_aboba, qjackctl doesn't seem to support kb shortcuts. But if you think about it, it doesn't make sense. In order for a keyboard shortcut to work that window has to be active
[14:23] <len-dt> You could set up a DE keyboard short cut to start/stop jackdbus with jack_control
[14:25] <len-dt> The only problem I have had with that is that qjackctl sometimes doesn't show connection information. Also, anything you have qjackctl configured to do on startup/stop would have to be added manually.
[14:39] <mighty_aboba> I want it to do because when i'm using qjackctl and having "on stop error" (the start button is blocked) I can start it again only by the context menu(right click on qjackctl in sys tray) ->start
[14:39] <holstein> mighty_aboba: i would consider midi control
[14:41] <mighty_aboba> It would be easy if qjackctl had the keyboard shortcuts for starting, stoping and etc.
[14:41] <holstein> mighty_aboba: its all open... you can likely add that support, or request it from paul davis and/or the JACK team
[14:41] <len-dt> So clicking on qjackctl before the KB shortcut would be ok then.
[14:42] <holstein> i would just go with midi control, as im sure thats the workflow expected
[14:42] <holstein> OR, maybe one of those xautomate GUI's
[20:27] <knoppix> Hi all :) I'm trying to learn shell command, I can't understand, why if I enter "cat list | grep "http*$"",  what is mean to "show all strokes with 'http' word, any number of symbols until end of stroke from a file 'list' ", it does nothing? What do I do wrong? Btw: sorry, if I will some slow to answer -- I some bad in english :(
[20:34] <knoppix> * -- is any number of any symbols: $ -- is end-of-line. All right, so where is the error o.O
[20:37] <knoppix> Btw: without "$" symbol everything works fine.
[20:40] <knoppix> Something wrong with dollar... May be bash tends to euro? :D
[20:46] <knoppix> No body knows? :(
[20:51] <knoppix> I have an idea. May be it's because "grep" works with strokes, so "*" symbol means any number of symbol in one line. Including end-of-line sign. And "*" symbol in command gets just empty line, without end-of-line sign. It seems to be true..
[20:53] <knoppix> Is there a way to force symbol "*" include all symbols till some pattern?
[20:55] <knoppix> No body knows?
[21:01] <knoppix> Sorry, there was an slip " And "$" symbol in command gets just empty line, without end-of-line sign.". I'm occasionally write there "*"
[21:01] <knoppix> So anybody knows?
[21:03] <holstein> knoppix: hello
[21:03] <knoppix> Hello :)
[21:03] <holstein> this is the support channel for ubuntustudio... im not saying no one here will be able to help with "shell commands", but you might have more luck in the server support channel
[21:03] <holstein> or, main #ubuntu
[21:03] <holstein> you can review the man pages for each command
[21:04] <holstein> try using pastebin
[21:04] <holstein> !paste
[21:05] <holstein> and paste the *exact* input and output you are experiencing, assuming there are no credentials or sensitive data in that information
 Thanks, anyway :) I'll try #ubuntu
[21:05] <holstein> knoppix: you'll need to do that in #ubuntu as well
[21:05] <holstein> knoppix: you'll need to use pastebin
[21:06] <astraljava> knoppix: What you need is .*
[21:06] <holstein> knoppix: also, consider stating your intended purpose.. maybe someone can suggest an easier way to get the job doen
[21:06] <astraljava> `cat list | grep http.*
[21:06] <holstein> done*
[21:06] <astraljava> err... closing ` too, if you just copy that directly.
 very thanks, it helped!
[21:08] <astraljava> No problem. Glad to be of assistance.
[21:09] <astraljava> knoppix: The '*' is just an indicator of one to infinity, the '.' just means whatever character.


[11:11] <sudip> can anyone please mark LP: #1811817 as affecting Focal
[11:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu-bugs- Launchpad bug 1811817 in weex (Ubuntu) "weex crash/core dumps under Ubuntu 18.04 LTS." [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1811817
[11:47] <rbasak> Done
[11:48] <sudip> thanks rbasak
[17:31] <sudip> can anyone please mark LP: #2047458 as affecting Noble and Mantic
[17:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu-bugs- Launchpad bug 2047458 in linphone (Ubuntu) "Linphone 5.0.2-4 crashes on launch" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047458
[17:37] <rbasak> sudip: I've marked it as affecting Mantic. I generally avoid marking the development release as that's more straightforwardly reflected by the "main" bug task.
[17:38] <sudip> thanks rbasak


[10:10] <qense> hello
[12:35] <qense> nand: the MVC model gets a bit messy with all those forms and blocks outside the controller. How strict does Brainstorm follow it? And are there better ways of generating the forms and blocks than using plain queries outside the controller? Should I call the controller from those functions?


[05:18] <Statts> hi all. mythbuntu 10.04 - uses mythtv 0.23 or 0.24?
[05:30] <rhpot1991> likwid--: you should be able to add it during setup
[05:33] <Statts> anyone?
[05:41] <Statts> ok, I have 0.24
[05:41] <Statts> can I somehow roll it back to 0.23?


 Would this be the right place to ask about the feasability of updating certain ubottu factoids, or would that be the domain of #ubuntu-irc?
[04:50] <nhandler> semitones: You can simply PM the factoid suggestion to ubottu (http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Editing_factoids), and it will show up here for review by the OPs
[04:51] <semitones> nhandler, thanks, that is the info I was looking for. You used to be able to do something like say "ubottu, !factoid should be "blahblahblah"" and the ops would review it, but I forgot what that was, thanks
[04:52] <nhandler> semitones: That still works. For an edit, it would be: /msg ubottu !no foo is <reply> bar
[04:53] <rww> or /msg ubottu !foo =~ s/magic/more magic/, if you have regex-fu and want to use it ;)
[04:53] <nhandler> :)
[04:54] <semitones> ok here goes
[04:54] <semitones> bear in mind this is a first draft
[04:56] <Jordan_U> I'm not sure that's needed, but if we do want to tack something more onto the end we should probably take from !details.
[04:56] <semitones> This was after c3l and I had a pretty long discussion of what an "does anyone use" question actually means
[04:56] <Jordan_U> !details
[04:57] <semitones> It would be good to have some guide to how the (real) question should be phrased
[04:57] <Jordan_U> In fact I'm inclined to think that the shorter (current) factoid is better.
[04:58] <rww> !anyone
[04:58] <rww> oh I see, the third sentence is new.
[04:58] <semitones> It's better than what I suggested, but it could still be improved.
[04:58] <semitones> if people need to be reminded not to use "anyone" they probably need to be reminded how to ask a real question too
[05:00] <rww> ``Many of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody". Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? Remember to give details, including your Ubuntu version, what you're trying to do, any relevant output, etc.``
[05:00]  * rww pacmans the ...
[05:01] <semitones> is there a separate factoid for "does anybody use x"
[05:01] <Jordan_U> Sounds good to me.
[05:01] <rww> semitones: That's what !anyone is for.
[05:02]  * Jordan_U checks to see how common it is for people directed to !anyone to give a poor second attempt.
[05:02] <semitones> because "does anybody know how to fix x" isn't the same kind of question as "does anybody use x"
[05:02] <semitones> !popularity or something
[05:02] <rww> Basically, instead of people asking questions to find someone to ask their real question to, they should ask their real question up front.
[05:02] <Jordan_U> !best
[05:02] <rww> semitones: as in, "Does anyone use Transmission? I'm wondering if it's the best torrent client..." or whatever?
[05:03] <semitones> yes!
[05:03] <rww> ah, Jordan_U and I are on the same page. I'll go back to my wikifying
[05:03] <semitones> so the !anyone factoid might need to mention "see !best" too
[05:03] <semitones> to capture all the "anyone" questions
[05:03] <rww> They deal with different situations, though..
[05:04] <semitones> both starting with "does anyone"
[05:05] <rww> There are also plenty of questions starting with that that are valid support questions, and plenty of people who are legitimately given !anyone for questions that don't involve the word "anyone".
[05:05] <semitones> what I mean is if someone says "does anyone use transmission," and someone follows with the !anyone factoid, it doesn't help them ask the real question
[05:05] <rww> tbh, I'm starting to think that the best response is "why?" rather than factoids, but that's just my opinion ;P
[05:06] <semitones> haha perhaps
[05:06] <semitones> if that gets the asker to think more about it
[05:06] <semitones> which is what the factoid should do to.
[05:06] <rww> Pici: I don't know what "Potential attacks" means on the floodbot documentation page, and I still don't know enough about the intricacies of emergency mode to write about it. I just added a bunch of text, but there are blanks for you and LjL to fill ;)
[05:07] <rww> Pici: and I'm not overly fond of how the wiki's formatting the command list (some of them are indented randomly?), but that's not a big deal.
[05:08] <rww> semitones: Yeah. The popint of !anyone is to get people to actually ask their real question. I see your point about saying how best to do that, but don't think combining it with !best is a great idea.
[05:09] <semitones> I can see that, especially if it would make the factoid too unwieldy.
[05:09] <rww> Do we have a "how to ask questions" factoid somewhere? I vaguely remember one linking to a webpage about it, but can't find it.
[05:10] <rww> though I might be thinking of #debian
[05:10] <semitones> that could potentially be added onto !anyone without making it too specific
[05:10] <rww> !gq
[05:10] <Jordan_U> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is a great guide, and commonly referenced, but the language may be a bit condecending for #ubuntu.
[05:12] <semitones> "For help on how to ask questions, see <www>"
[05:12] <rww> hrm, I like that sabi.co.uk page. We should use it more.
[05:13] <IdleOne> it uses some (at least one word) language that is not !language compliant
[05:14] <rww> ah, didn't see that on first read through
[05:14] <rww> that sentence has other problems too, looking at it. hrm.
[05:14] <IdleOne> but overall looks pretty good. maybe someone *looks at rww* should clean it up and add a page to help.u.c
[05:15] <rww> yeah no, I already got assigned wikiwork, it's your turn ;P
[05:15] <IdleOne> I am bad at wiki creation
[05:16] <IdleOne> I'll give it a shot if you agree to proof read/clean it up if needed
[05:16] <semitones> is there a #ubuntu-specific guide?
[05:16] <semitones> i thought there was
[05:16] <IdleOne> !irc
[05:16] <semitones> !guidelines
[05:16] <rww> Anyways, getting back to !anyone, adding "See also (in PM with ubottu) !details, !gq, and !works." on the end is the shortest and most-meta I can make it.
[05:17] <semitones> that sounds excellent!
[05:17] <Jordan_U> But would most people who are directed to !anyone understand what that meant?
[05:17] <rww> couldn't think of a way of using /msg ubottu that wouldn't end in people putting them all on one line
[05:17] <rww> and I don't think that works
[05:18] <semitones> for one it would remind the person typing !anyone that there are more specific factoids
[05:18] <semitones> and I don't see how it would hurt
[05:19] <semitones> also !works doesn't seem to point to anything. !poll maybe
[05:21] <rww> !works
[05:21] <Jordan_U> !doesn't work
[05:21] <rww> !work
[05:21] <rww> !-work
[05:21] <rww> !works is <alias> doesn't work
[05:23] <IdleOne> ugh, I hate creating new wiki pages
[05:23] <rww> Jordan_U: perhaps just say "See also" instead of "See also (in PM with ubottu)"?
[05:24] <semitones> and then if they do it in channel, it's simple to correct them
[05:24] <Jordan_U> rww: I generally feel that users new to IRC are probably pretty confused to see "!foo | me" in the first place.
[05:25] <Jordan_U> But that gets into other more general issues :)
[05:25] <rww> "Type"?
[05:26] <rww> "For more guidance, type"
[05:27] <rww> semitones: let us know if you get bored of debating nuances >.>
[05:27] <semitones> rww, that is not something I would get bored with! I feel like I started this, I should help it through
[05:28] <semitones> but if i'm violating the no-idle policy let me know
[05:29] <rww> ``...blah blah (the real one) and find out? Wondering how to phrase your question? Type "/msg ubottu !details" or "/msg ubottu !gq".``
[05:31] <semitones> I like the "... (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll"
[05:31] <semitones> I think new users get used to !foo if they see it often
[05:31] <rww> Let's roll with that then. It matches other factoids that do similar things (like !irc, above)
[05:31] <rww> !-anyone
[05:32] <Jordan_U> I'll retract my complaint untill I get around to formulating a more general rant about factoids and new users :)
[05:32] <rww> !anyone =~ s/$/See also !details, !gq, and !poll./
[05:32] <rww> !anyone
[05:32] <rww> See, this is why you ignore rww and don't use regex.
[05:32] <semitones> lol
[05:32] <rww> !anyone =~ s/\?/? /
[05:32] <rww> !anyone
[05:33] <semitones> Awesome!
[05:33] <semitones> Thanks rww
[05:33] <rww> Thanks for your time :)
[05:33] <semitones> no problem. see you around
[05:49] <IdleOne> Realted to Britney?
[05:49] <IdleOne> related*
[05:49] <rww> quit messages with errors drive me crazy
[05:49] <rww> (although this one is just amusing)
[05:50] <rww> i've considered PMing peregrinator_six about theirs.
[05:50] <rww> 'passed' >.> <.<
[05:57] <Jordan_U> Who are kevdog and Chipzzz in #ubuntu referring to?
[05:59] <bazhang> speedrunner
[06:01] <Jordan_U> Apparently it was ubuntu_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>who was likely neither a bot nor a troll, though not following netiquette.
[06:02] <IdleOne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToAsk   thoughts, suggestions?
[06:04] <IdleOne> I know I cheated a little and stole from the existing factoids.
[06:04] <IdleOne> actually I cheated a lot
[08:57] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:58] <rww> mornin'
[08:58] <AlanBell> has anyone given a +q or +b to {phineas, garzooka, bolt, couragethedog, ferb} in the last month or so in #ubuntu-*
[08:58] <rww> way ahead of you. one sec.
[09:00] <AlanBell> CourageTheCoward is the latest one
[09:00] <rww> (bunch of hostnames to look up)
[09:02] <rww> AlanBell: Apart from the #ubuntu one you're already aware of, I see nothing in BanTracker-tracked channels during the relevant time period.
[09:02] <AlanBell> thanks rww
[09:03] <elky> I wondered if that was him.
[09:03] <rww> (For anyone who isn't already aware, that person's ability to access #ubuntu-uk is dependent on them not being banned from anywhere else in #ubuntu* for a time period.)
[09:05] <elky> He's also more anecdata for "'my brother did it' really means I have no brother."
[09:06] <elky> rww, what was his #u ban for? same old?
[09:08] <rww> elky: being offtopic, then blaming it on a script, yes.
[09:09] <elky> at least he didn't invent another sibling. capacity for learning has been demonstrated
[09:19] <rww> alrighty, I'm bored again. Since nobody said bad things and me and elky discussing removing floodbot bans after a week, every Floodbot ban over a month old is disappearing in 10 minutes unless someone says something ;P
[09:20] <rww> s/and/about/
[09:33] <rww> hrm. I should probably ponder the easiest way to ask BT who set bans that show as being set by a server instead of a person.
[10:07] <rww> !unforget mc44-#ubuntu-offtopic
[10:07] <rww> !forget mc44-#ubuntu-offtopic
[10:07] <rww> >;D
[10:09] <rww> !no, bot abuse is <alias> botabuse
[10:45] <elky> rww but your opinions are WRONG!
[11:22] <CRC_> Hey is mneptok here?
[11:22]  * gnomefreak hasnt seem him
[11:24] <CRC_> I was told to come back on Monday about getting my ban on ubuntu chan lifted. And I spoke to mneptok about it.
[11:26] <CRC_> Is anybody here that can help me?
[11:28] <bazhang> cryonic core?
[11:33] <CRC_> Had to do that individual but sadly thats not me and I got banned for it.
[11:33] <bazhang> CRC_, not sure what you mean, could you clarify please
[11:40] <CRC_> Received a ban from an individual that used my wifi cause somehow my wifi was wide open. I secured the settings and changed passes and asked if I could be unbanned cus I had no idea what I did wrong. mneptok asked me to come back and discuss about the ban for ubuntu
[11:41] <bazhang> oh right.
[11:41] <CRC_> Bah. The first part sounded weird but I am sure u know what I mean.
[11:41] <bazhang> well not seen mneptok around recently
[11:42] <knome> was here on saturday
[11:42] <bazhang> yeppers
[11:42] <bazhang> maybe come back in a few hours
[11:42] <CRC_> Ok
[12:06] <elky> Of course CRC can't possibly stand for cryonic core.
[13:18] <topyli> @btlogin
[13:19] <gnomefreak> i keep forgetting about @comment
[13:55] <IdleOne> morning log readers
[13:56] <jrib> morning IdleOne
[16:20] <gnomefreak> nhandler: i think someone was looking for you this morning. it was either you or mnepto_k
[16:20] <gnomefreak> about a ban
[16:20] <ikonia> it was mneptok
[16:20] <nhandler> :)
[16:20] <Pici> someone was looking for something this morning
[16:21] <gnomefreak> ah thanks sorry
[16:31] <IdleOne> something about his brother/neighbour doing bad stuffs
[16:31] <IdleOne> Can I blame my brother even if I don't have one (that I know of) ?
[16:34] <IdleOne> I love how we have 9000 ways of getting to the Software sources
[16:40] <gnomefreak> for some reason that is a very popular excuse (someone else did it from my computer, or someone piggybacked off my wifi and did it)
[16:40] <gnomefreak> i would have thought that doesnt happen a whole lot
[16:41] <gnomefreak> or the other day, my keyboard has a brain of its own and keeps posting lines :(
[16:42] <IdleOne> Someone hacked my wireless KB and posted stuff
[16:43] <gnomefreak> yeah that was it
[16:43] <IdleOne> heh I was just being silly
[16:43] <gnomefreak> i find it hard some random person would hack your wifi just to post something on IRC seeing as he wouldnt know you use it
[16:43] <IdleOne> with your nick
[16:44] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: the guy looking for mnepto_k  was his excuse more or less
[17:20] <jussi> to be honest, does it really matter what the excuse is? if they dont do it again...?
[17:21] <IdleOne> I guess not
[17:21] <IdleOne> but being lied to tends to make it harder to lift the ban
[17:23] <IdleOne> There is an Italian expression that basically translates to, It is easier to deal with a crook than a liar.
[17:23] <IdleOne> least with the crook you know what to expect.
[17:31] <KB1JWQ> Ah, floodbot was wrong.
[17:32] <KB1JWQ> I thought that was a user for a second and was scratching my head.
[17:33] <IdleOne> KB1JWQ: flase positive
[17:33] <IdleOne> false flase also
[17:33] <IdleOne> :)
[18:53] <mneptok> 0400 is a *little* early for me
[19:03] <highvoltage> bit restrictive too, I like at least 0700
[19:05] <knome> 0400 is a bit too late, 0700 is way too early
[19:22] <Tm_T> knome: I wake up 0600 ~every morning..
[19:23] <knome> Tm_T, well, congrats
[19:23] <knome> :P
[19:24] <Tm_T> I do not like it ):
[19:24] <knome> i'm sorry
[19:33] <uRock> why was I booted and not ohsix?
[19:33] <Pici> you both were.
[19:33] <jrib> uRock: you both were
[19:33] <uRock> k
[19:33] <jrib> uRock: you first because u is a home key for me...
[19:44] <rww> Tm_T: I woke up at midday today :D
[19:44] <Pici> I woke up at 6:01 am.
[19:50] <gord> i woke up when my alarm went off
[19:50] <gord> weird that
[19:52] <Pici> Thats when my alarm goes off.
[19:56] <topyli> Pici: you set your alarm for 6:01? :)
[19:57] <topyli> "six o'clock? no way! i'll sleep till one past"
[19:58] <Pici> topyli: The snooze goes for 9 minutes, so if I press it once its like I'm waking up at 6:10.
[19:58] <topyli> ok...
[19:58] <Pici> It makes sense to me!
[19:59] <Pici> Don't judge me!
[19:59] <rww> I just set multiple alarms and never use snooze :<
[19:59] <topyli> heh
[20:00] <topyli> my wife thinks the alarm clock is a musical instrument too, plays it for me each morning for about half an hour
[20:02] <topyli> i don't want to complain though, artistic hobbies are to be encouraged, right?
[20:04] <mneptok> topyli: does it play Matti Nykanen? we could challenge on "artistic" grounds.
[20:06] <topyli> no, it's just a beep-beep alarm. so it's much more sophisticated than matti's music
[20:08] <mneptok> hai hai hai ...
[20:19] <oCean> hi, whenever a bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu url is mentioned (in #u) ubottu sends the bug's title/status in the channel.
[20:19] <oCean> Is this intentional?
[20:20] <oCean> I mean, I think it might be confusing, more so than helpful
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> oCean: Intentional, yes.  We've been discussing whether it's a good idea, so thanks for your comment.
[20:21] <oCean> ah ok, good to know
[20:55] <Mamarok> Matti Nykanen as in the Ski flying guy?
[20:56] <mneptok> Mamarok: yeah. his "careers" post juming have been ... interesting
[21:01] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNn3pMaNUAU
[21:01]  * mneptok shudders
[21:03] <Mamarok> urghs
[21:05]  * Mamarok just read up on wikipedia, this guy is really weird
[21:05] <Mamarok> besides being the most successful ski jumper of all times he apparently didn't succeed in much else
[21:06] <mneptok> Mamarok: "just when you think it can't get any worse ..."
 Is anybody available to help me with a ban in ubuntu chan?
[22:10] <IdleOne> CRC_: you are going to have to wait for mneptok to be active. Also the !op factoid is for emergency only.
[22:12] <mneptok> CRC_: i'm here
[22:12] <mneptok> CRC_: have you secured your network?
[22:13] <CRC_> Hey mneptok. Sorry to bug u if u were busy. Yea my network is secured. Did not have an issue since last time we talked :)
[22:13] <mneptok> CRC_: please read these links:
[22:13] <mneptok> !CoC
[22:13] <mneptok> !guidelines
[22:14] <mneptok> tell me when you are done.
[22:14] <CRC_> Ok
[22:31] <CRC_> Hey mneptok. I have read the guidelines and code of conduct.
[22:35] <CRC_> I'm done mneptok
[22:35] <IdleOne> patience CRC_
[22:35] <CRC_> Ok
[22:36] <IdleOne> CRC_: You understand both the guidelines and the Code of conduct?
[22:36] <CRC_> Yes I do
[22:36] <IdleOne> you agree to follow them ?
[22:37] <CRC_>  Yes I agree
[22:38] <IdleOne> you should be able to join #ubuntu bow.
[22:38] <IdleOne> now*
[22:39] <CRC_> Thank u IdleOne and mneptok
[22:39] <IdleOne> please join so we can make sure I haven't missed anything
[22:39] <CRC_> I'm in
[22:40] <CRC_> Thanks again
[22:40] <IdleOne> thank you.
[22:40] <mneptok> CRC_: any further abuse from your IP address will result in bans not so easily lifted.
[22:40] <CRC_> Ok
[22:41] <CRC_> On the guidelines it says u guys encourage questions.
[22:41] <IdleOne> questions are good
[22:41] <mneptok> this channel is for questions related to the operation of core Ubuntu IRC channels. if your question is about such things, this is the right place.
[22:41] <IdleOne> Did you have any concerning the guidelines?
[22:42] <CRC_> No not really just a "was curious question" thanks again guys :)
[23:33] <h00k> oh lord, looks like a trollfest.
[23:33] <IdleOne> nah it's just random with a bug in his sleeping bag
[23:34] <rww> I spread the blame further than Random832, personally.
[23:34] <IdleOne> I may have had a part in it.
[23:35] <IdleOne> my sarcasm took him deeper into the frustration. Had the opposite effect I was hoping for.
[23:36] <IdleOne> I have read those already
[23:36] <IdleOne> Do I need to read them again?
[23:37] <h00k> tsimpson: thanks for +z
[23:37] <tsimpson> I was tempted to set mlock +m ;)
[23:37] <h00k> :D
[23:38] <rww> I'm tempted to set -c, just so they have fun playing with color codes instead of being annoying.
[23:39] <h00k> okay.
[23:39] <h00k> I think they've settled. maybe.
[23:39] <IdleOne> you should +v Random
[23:40] <IdleOne> make him feel special
[23:40] <IdleOne> I think it would help with his mood a bit