[01:12] <duanedesign>  I think the Importance of the bug should be set to  Wishlist Bug #307724
[01:27] <Hew> Hey guys. I've dealt with the Edgy SRU bugs in the past when it became unsupported, and I've just had a user ask if I could do the same for Feisty now that it is unsupported as well. I just wanted to make it known here first to make sure this is still ok, before I go and ping over 100 bugs :-)
[01:44] <duanedesign> should feature requests be pointed towards  https://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureSpecifications I have found conflicting advice on the wiki.
[01:51] <Hew> duanedesign: If it's a small thing that could be added fairly easily, it should be a wishlist bug. If it's a big deal to implement, it should be a blueprint. Brainstorm is for just that, brainstorming. What is the feature request?
[01:54] <duanedesign> I have found a couple over the course of the day. the latest one was  bug# 307724
[01:55] <duanedesign>  I am new to triage so finding feature request is something I can "handle" so I want to make sure that in the future I am directing people to the right resource
[01:57] <duanedesign> Hew: I noticed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks under How to deal with Feature Requests there are a couple of sites that it suggest be mentioned. Should those be mentioned in addition to the brainstorm site?
[02:00] <Hew> duanedesign: That page deals with bug triage, so for already reported bugs that are non-trivial feature requests, they should be written as a specification (aka. blueprint). The advice on that page is correct, I don't think brainstorm needs to be added there, it serves a different purpose.
[02:02] <Hew> duanedesign: So if a bug has been reported that is requesting some massive change, you should suggest to the reporter that they read those pages and become familiar with specifications.
[02:03] <duanedesign> so trivial changes brainstorm and massive changes the specification route
[02:05] <Hew> duanedesign: No, brainstorm is something separate.
[02:05] <Hew> duanedesign: trivial changes are fine as wishlist bugs
[02:06] <Hew> duanedesign: Is this a feature you have in mind, or a bug you are triaging?
[02:08] <duanedesign> Hew: in the wiki under how to triage it has a standard reply under dealing with feature requests: Since what you submitted is a Feature Request to improve Ubuntu, you are invited to post your idea in Ubuntu Brainstorm
[02:11] <Hew> duanedesign: I suppose it depends on what the feature is. I haven't actually seen that response used before.
[02:12] <duanedesign> ok thank you for the help
[02:12] <duanedesign> I am understanding a bit better as I re read your replies
[02:12] <Hew> duanedesign: No worries, I only hope I was actually helpful :P
[02:12] <duanedesign> definetly
[02:13] <duanedesign> off to hunt more bugs
[02:13] <Hew> nice :-)
[03:56] <duanedesign>  I think the Importance of the bugs should be set to  Wishlist  Bug #307797 and bug # 307724
[04:15] <duanedesign> I think the Importance of the bugs should be set to  Wishlist  Bug #307796
[04:36] <Hew> duanedesign: Feel free to triage those bugs as usual, you can just leave the importance for a member of Bug Control to change later.
[04:42] <duanedesign> Hew: So I should just leave a comment introducing them to the blueprint process
[04:42] <duanedesign> unless it is a trivial feature request, then I would just leave it alone
[04:46] <duanedesign> here is a link to one that I have done. Let me know if you think  this is appropriate. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/307797
[04:47] <maco> if its a trivial wishlist bug, you can come here and leave a message asking that it be set to wishlist
[04:48] <Hew> maco: That's already been asked, I was saying it should still be triaged as usual.
[04:48] <Hew> duanedesign: Well bug 307797 I don't think needs to have a blueprint, but it needs some clarification as to what the user is requesting. Do they want an option to play a test sound through a specific channel? Are they familiar with speaker-test? Maybe they want something along those lines.
[04:58] <duanedesign> I think the Importance of the bugs should be set to  Wishlist Bug #307715
[04:59] <duanedesign> I think the Importance of the bugs should be set to  Wishlist Bug #307684
[10:34] <BoogieBoo> Hello all again
[10:35] <BoogieBoo> I am still unable to setup the VPN connection to a PPTP server!! I installed again Ubuntu 8.10 32 bits, so this is a brand new installation; I installed network-manager-pptp and pptp-linux pakets, I configured a new VPN connection, I restarted Ubuntu, but while trying to conenct I get again: "Connection Failed", This is reallly a CRAP
[10:36] <BoogieBoo> Can anyone help me, this was working perfectly before Interdipd came up, now I can't use Ubuntu to work, since I can't access my work place
[10:46] <BoogieBoo> Any help with this anoying bug?
[10:49] <YoBoY> hi
[10:51] <YoBoY> i'm trying to understand how to help with bug triaging and making a translation of your great tutorial in french, and i have a question, am i on the right chan for this?
[10:52] <BoogieBoo> I just want to use Ubuntu to work as I used before intrepid, but NOW I CANT, VPN connection: "Connection FAILED"
[10:55] <Arby> YoBoY: you are, but there probably aren't many people around on a sunday morning
[10:55] <YoBoY> ^^
[10:56] <YoBoY> well it's near 12h here :p i forgot this little time différence
[10:56] <YoBoY> i'll ask later :)
[10:56] <randomaction> YoBoY: there's also #ubuntu-translators
[10:56] <Arby> Sundays are always quiet
[10:57] <Arby> also last week was UDS, a lot of people probably won't be back in action until monday
[10:57] <YoBoY> randomaction: it's not the translation the problem but the comprehension of the process ^^
[10:59] <YoBoY> it's the part in Confirming the bugs, where the triager have to change the "Assigned to" field to "Nobody", i don't understand why :p
[11:00] <Arby> YoBoY: if the bug is assigned to you it means you are actively working on it
[11:01] <Arby> by setting it to triaged and unassigning the triager you are telling the developer that it is ready for them to try and find a fix
[11:01] <YoBoY> ok :) perfect
[11:01] <Arby> otherwise the developer will see the triager assigned and think they intend to fix the bug themselves
[11:02] <YoBoY> i add a note in my translation to explain this :) tanks
[11:02] <Arby> no problem
[11:03] <BoogieBoo> Can anyone please help me with VPN connection?
[11:03] <BoogieBoo> I have been trying to solve this for weeks
[11:04] <BoogieBoo> This is a deadend, that's my filling using UBuntu/Linux, you cant find official help, and on IRC you have to be lucky...
[11:05] <YoBoY> bye, see you soon ^^
[11:06] <Nafallo>  https://shop.canonical.com/support.php <-- if that's not official I'm not sure what is.
[11:07] <BoogieBoo> whateve
[11:13] <BoogieBoo> I won't get anything staying here...
[13:31] <MrKanister> Hi. I think the bug #247758 should be set to "wishlist" but I'm not 100% sure. Can somebody please have a look at it?
[14:04] <MrKanister> !ping
[14:23] <MrKanister> Hi. I think the bug #247758 should be set to "wishlist" but I'm not 100% sure. Can somebody please have a look at it?
[14:29] <Rocket2DMn> MrKanister, done
[14:35] <MrKanister> Rocket2DMn: Thank you
[15:40] <bcurtiswx> bug #277924 can someone please let me know if its ready for triage?
[17:21] <bef0rd> Hello, I would like to report a bug, but I'm not sure against what package. When using the DarkRoom theme, filezilla becomes unusable because the file listing controls use almost the same color for background and text.
[17:52] <andresmujica> ubuntu-artwork
[18:06] <bef0rd> thanks.
[18:17] <andresmujica> np, you can filled it against filezilla too, in some cases the bug is present in the software (don't take the color from the right parameter) which bug # is it?
[18:23] <bef0rd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/307910
[18:24] <bef0rd> ouch, that attachment is huge, let me replace it
[18:28] <bef0rd> done
[18:43] <andresmujica> perfect,
[18:44] <andresmujica> just found the existing bug for that issue at launchpad and upstream
[18:44] <andresmujica> it seems to be an issue with wxwidgets.
[18:44] <andresmujica> reflected in mozilla
[18:44] <andresmujica> check bug #284755
[18:49] <andresmujica> http://trac.filezilla-project.org/ticket/3876
[19:06] <bef0rd> I see, thanks
[19:46] <andresmujica> how can i find why a module wasn't included in intrepid?
[19:47] <andresmujica> i mean in hardy the module was in linux-ubuntu-modules
[19:47] <andresmujica> now that package is nonexistant, as far as i know everything moved into linux-image..
[19:55] <jenom> Hi there
[20:01] <andresmujica> hi
[21:36] <maco> asac: is NM *supposed* to stay connected to my wireless when I plug in an ethernet cable, or is it a bug that it is currently connected on *both* interfaces?
[21:40] <greg-g> known bug I think
[21:43] <maco> ohok
[21:43] <greg-g> I know there is a known bug about issues when you have wired and wireless connected
[21:43] <greg-g> not sure of specifics as I haven't dealt with it
[21:51] <maco> ok
[21:52] <maco> i was gonna test intrepid's iwl3945 with WEP (he asked me to before) and then dd-wrt locked when i told it to make another interface for WEP, and then i connected wired and now i cant get to the router through the wired connection because of this
[21:54] <greg-g> well that is lame
[22:30] <xubuntusdi> salve a tutti
[22:31] <maco> xubuntusdi: #ubuntu-it
[22:35] <xubuntusdi> ciao maco so di ubuntu-it ma questo è il canale dei bugs?
[22:37] <maco> oh um...:(
[22:37] <charlie-tca> !it
[22:38] <xubuntusdi> hello MACO are aware of the channel ubuntu-it but this is the channel of bugs?
[22:38] <xubuntusdi> Excuse me
[22:38] <maco> Non penso che ci sia una scanalatura dell'insetto per italiano. Abbiamo appena questo, ma usiamo solitamente l'inglese. E sto usando il Internet per tradurre questo.
[22:39] <xubuntusdi> I wanted to participate segnalezione some bugs :\  :p
[22:40] <xubuntusdi> I wanted to participate to report some bugs
[22:40] <maco> bug reports are supposed to be done in english. but if you pair up with an english-speaker in #ubuntu-it (ex: LjL), you can get your bug translated
[22:40] <maco> bugs go on http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[22:44] <LjL> xubuntusdi: hai bisogno?
[22:47] <xubuntusdi> yes but it has taken me not to post to this channel
[22:47] <LjL> xubuntusdi: per un minuto possiamo fare un'eccezione, penso
[22:48] <xubuntusdi> especially in Italian
[22:48] <xubuntusdi> :D
[22:48] <maco> xubuntusdi: that's why i told LjL to visit. he speaks italian.
[22:51] <LjL> xubuntusdi, quindi dimmi pure, se posso ti aiuto, se non posso traduco per gli altri
[22:52] <xubuntusdi>  problemi con scheda wifi ipn2220 , dopo un testing di un anno sulle versioni 7.04 7.10 ho notato che ndiswrapper...
[22:53] <xubuntusdi> non viene scritto in modprobe
[22:53] <LjL> xubuntusdi: ok, di wireless ne so poco o niente, so giusto che ndiswrapper server per usare i driver di windows
[22:53] <xubuntusdi> anche se edito manualmente non ne vuole sapere di avviarsi all'avvio
[22:54] <LjL> xubuntusdi: ma in qualche modo alla fine riesci a caricarlo?
[22:54] <LjL> tipo con modprobe?
[22:54] <xubuntusdi> con 8.04 e 8.10 il problema sembra l'abbiano risolto solo in ubuntu ma non xubuntu
[22:55] <LjL> xubuntusdi: mi sembrerebbe strano però, se ho capito bene si tratta semplicemente di moduli del kernel... che differenza dovrebbe esserci tra ubuntu e xubuntu?
[22:55] <xubuntusdi> il problema che malgrado la modifica del network-manager il dchpclient non và più
[22:56] <xubuntusdi> credo che sia il solito problema di ubuntu che ha con il protocollo wpa
[22:56] <xubuntusdi> o con rete fastweb??
[22:58] <LjL> xubuntusdi: fastweb non vedo che possa entrarci, sul WPA ammetto che non so niente
[22:58] <xubuntusdi> inquanto fatica a connettersi e dopo pochi intanti si disconnette, con la possibilità che non si riconnetta più
[22:58] <LjL> xubuntusdi: ma xubuntu usa network manager?
[22:58] <xubuntusdi> si
[22:59] <xubuntusdi> purtroppo non capisco perchè continuino a mettercelo invece di wicd
[22:59] <LjL> xubuntusdi: senti, fammi una ricapitolazione
[23:00] <LjL> xubuntusdi: descrivimi il problema e su che sistemi l'hai avuto come se io non ne sapessi assolutamente niente
[23:00] <xubuntusdi> cmq adesso come dicevo prima denoto un problema (e pure grosso) di dhcpclient
[23:00] <LjL> (cosa non molto lontana dalla realtà)
[23:01] <xubuntusdi> ok
[23:02] <xubuntusdi> devi sapere che la scheda wifi con chip ipn2220 e un STR....
[23:02] <xubuntusdi> infatti funziona solo con driver di windws
[23:04] <xubuntusdi> quindi si è costretti ad usare ndiswrapper per farla funzionare, purtroppo però non sempre ubuntu memorizza nel modprobe l'avvio automatico del driver della scheda
[23:05] <xubuntusdi> quindi la maggior parte delle volte bignona avviarla da terminale
[23:06] <xubuntusdi> dicevo che questo problema con la versione 8.10 sembra l'abbiano risolto su ubutnu ma xubuntu no
[23:06] <LjL> xubuntusdi: ok, primo, per avviarla da terminale come fai? secondo, dove hai letto/sentito che su ubuntu è risolto? (se c'è già un bug aperto, sarebbe meglio sfruttarlo)
[23:07] <xubuntusdi> in più con le nuove versioni ho problemi a stabilire il collegamento con il mio ruter di fastweb sembra che c sia un bug nel dhcpclient non credi?
[23:08] <xubuntusdi> quindi?
[23:09] <xubuntusdi> sfruttarlo?
[23:09] <LjL> xubuntusdi, quindi rispondi alla domanda, primo :)
[23:09] <xubuntusdi> ok
[23:12] <xubuntusdi> depmod -a
[23:12] <xubuntusdi> ndiswrapper -m
[23:13] <LjL> xubuntusdi: uhm, è necessario anche il depmod -a se no non va? :o
[23:15] <xubuntusdi> e infine modprobe ndiswrapper
[23:16] <xubuntusdi> a questo punto la scheda parte
[23:16] <xubuntusdi> ma dopo il riavvio è come se non avessi fatto niente
[23:16] <xubuntusdi> devo ripetere tutto
[23:16] <LjL> capito
[23:17] <LjL> xubuntusdi: faccio un riassuntino in inglese per gli altri e poi cerco se c'è già qualcosa su launchpad, ok?
[23:17] <xubuntusdi> ok
[23:18] <LjL> xubuntusdi has a wifi card with IPN2220 chip, which needs ndiswrapper to work, but most of the times the driver isn't loaded automatically when Ubuntu is started
[23:18] <LjL> so most of the time it has to be started manually from the terminal
[23:18] <LjL> it "seems" that the problem has been solved on Intrepid / Ubuntu, but not Xubuntu
[23:18] <LjL> (this probably deserves a search on the bug reports)
[23:18] <LjL> to load it manually, it's depmod -a ; ndiswrapper -m ; modprobe ndiswrapper
[23:24] <LjL> the other thing is that when it does connect, it disconnects very easily - he thinks there might be a (separate?) problem with dhcpclient
[23:25] <maco> disconnects are not dhclient's fault. that's just driver instability
[23:25] <maco> it's probably losing packets
[23:26] <maco> that makes network manager think its disconnected, and then it starts over trying to reconnect
[23:28] <LjL> xubuntusdi: maco dice che le disconnessioni non sono colpa di dhclient, è semplicemente il driver che è instabile, probabilmente perde dei pacchetti. per questo motivo network manager pensa di essersi disconnesso e riprova a connettersi da capo
[23:29] <xubuntusdi> quindi cosa faccio
[23:30] <LjL> xubuntusdi: be' visto che sei qui, suppongo che l'intenzione fosse di segnalare un bug?
[23:31] <xubuntusdi> si infatti
[23:32] <xubuntusdi> cosa mi consigli di fare?
[23:34] <crimsun> that seems a bit odd, really. Are you certain it's not a race condition?
[23:34] <LjL> xubuntusdi: fammi fumare una sigaretta poi ti preparo un bug report e te lo metto in pastebin
[23:34] <LjL> crimsun, i hope you're asking maco, because i haven't the slighest idea how to translate "race condition" ;P
[23:34] <crimsun> Do we have dmesgs and /var/log/daemon.logs from Ubuntu 8.10 and Xubuntu 8.10 to compare?
[23:34] <xubuntusdi> anche a me LjL
[23:35] <xubuntusdi> mi devo spostare per qualche minuto
[23:35] <xubuntusdi> devo fumare fuori
[23:35] <LjL> crimsun: not from me, i'm on Hardy, i'll tell him to get his Xubuntu ones
[23:35] <pckchem> Hey does anyone have the launchpad greasemonkey scripts working in Firefox 3.0.4 ?
[23:36] <maco> pckchem: yes, but they break the +filebug pages
[23:36] <LjL> xubuntusdi: crimsun dice se puoi prepararci anche un paste di /var/log/daemon.log (magari subito dopo aver connesso la scheda e aspettato che si disconnetta da sola)
[23:44] <pckchem> maco: Hmm, well I just got around to installing them since I installed intrepid, but they are not working :(
[23:45] <maco> pckchem: the stock reply one works fine for me...
[23:45] <maco> pckchem: the one for showing people's group icons does too
[23:47] <pckchem> maco: Hmm.... I'll try to get them to work again. Maybe I installed them wrong...
[23:47] <maco> maybe restart ff after intalling them
[23:48] <xubuntusdi> ok LjL farò così
[23:48] <maco> mmmm cosi
[23:48] <xubuntusdi> lo devo postare quì
[23:48] <xubuntusdi> ?
[23:48] <LjL> no, su http://bugs.ubuntu.com/
[23:48] <xubuntusdi> e poi?
[23:48] <LjL> se Konqueror mi si sblocca poi, aiutrebbe
[23:50] <LjL> xubuntusdi: per caso hai dovuto mai mettere in blacklist il modulo "bcm"?
[23:50] <pckchem> Maco: wierd. When I loaded them through firefox they work...
[23:51] <xubuntusdi> no
[23:51] <pckchem> Guess installing them from command line doesn't work right...
[23:51] <maco> pckchem: how else would you do it
[23:51] <pckchem> terminal
[23:51] <pckchem> I use the bzr branch to keep current
[23:52] <pckchem> Have a cript that copies them from bzr branch to user profile
[23:52] <xubuntusdi> nella blacklist ci vanno i driver (moduli) non compatibili per il pc o che nn servono
[23:52] <maco> en america, "cosí" es l'nome d'un cafe
[23:53] <maco> pckchem: oh, interesting
[23:53] <LjL> xubuntusdi: lo so, ma siccome avevo trovato un altro bug sul chip ipn2220 in cui il tizio diceva che aveva dovuto mettere quel modulo in blacklist...
[23:54] <xubuntusdi> se l'ho metto nella blacklist di sicuro non me l'ho carica all'avvio
[23:54] <LjL> xubuntusdi: qui c'è quello che ho scritto, dimmi se ti suona http://paste.ubuntu.com/85354/ - maco, crimsun too, draft bug report
[23:54] <xubuntusdi> ok
[23:54] <xubuntusdi> vado


[04:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#4500 opened: chore(deps): update github actions (major) <Dependencies> <Created by renovate[bot]> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4500>
[11:05] <mup> PR snapd#13423 closed: many: add mount/unmount/prepare handlers for components <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13423>
[19:51] <mup> PR snapd#13404 closed: tests: extend interfaces-personal-files for missing directory creation <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by ernestl> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13404>


[05:25] <iheartubuntu> so Netflix works on Chrome OS, but not on Ubuntu. And Netflix also doesnt work on the Hexxeh builds of Chrome OS either. Is it possible that a simple package needs to be installed on Ubuntu or even something as simple as a folder being copied from Chrome OS and placed in Ubuntu?
[05:30] <akk> Certainly seems possible, since chromeos is linux based.
[05:30] <akk> It would be awesome if you figured that out and documented it.
[05:31] <akk> Doesn't work in chrome (not chromium) on ubuntu either?
[05:38] <iheartubuntu> not on ubuntu
[05:39] <iheartubuntu> i started a chipin people can donate to and whomever figures out netflix on linux wins the prize. right now the prize is a whopping twelve dollars
[05:42] <iheartubuntu> is google renting their laptops for $30 a month now someplace? i might consider getting one so i can rack this
[05:42] <iheartubuntu> * crack
[05:43] <akk> I wish -- that would be very handy if it included 3g service.
[05:45] <akk> laptop rentals would be super handy in general, but I've never heard of anyone doing it.
[05:46] <iheartubuntu> that was their original intention last may was $20/mo rentals
[05:47] <iheartubuntu> I see the top of the line chromebook on newegg for $450... looks like nothing more than a netbook... 12" screen, only 16GB SSD drive and 2GB memory? what will you do with it besides browse the web
[05:50] <akk> Works fine as a netbook, or add an external disk if you need more storage.
[05:51] <iheartubuntu> im currently watching an interesting docu called "Thrive"
[05:53]  * iheartubuntu puts on his +1.50 glasses from the 99 cent store
[05:53] <akk> 99c store +1
[05:53] <iheartubuntu> WOW!
[05:57] <iheartubuntu> if it was the $1.01 store do you think you would get more for your money?
[05:59] <akk> I know I wouldn't
[05:59] <akk> because we have dollar tree, and it's worse value than 99c
[05:59] <akk> (99c is actually 99.99c, so there's not really much difference in price)
[05:59] <akk> but 99c has better selection.
[06:00] <iheartubuntu> i dont recall ever seeing any computer related items at a 99c store
[06:02] <akk> hmm ... I think I have, but can't think what. Oh -- I bought a (really chintzy, but light, good for laptop case) mousepad once.
[06:03] <iheartubuntu> i have to use a book for my mousepad. desk is too smooth
[06:04] <iheartubuntu> actually its "american bungalow" magazine
[06:04] <akk> I've used magazines, but they're often too shiny to work well so I use mousepads when possible.
[06:14]  * MarkDude likes using old books with that sorta fake leather
[06:14] <MarkDude> Bigger than most mousepads if you pick the right book
[06:14] <MarkDude> Anyone else going to WC tomorrow?
[06:18] <iheartubuntu> Womens Cycling? count me in!
[06:19]  * iheartubuntu upgrading laptop to 12.04
[06:22] <philipballew> I like trackballs
[06:23] <philipballew> I say it here because saying it anywhere else would be meaningless as they would not care
[06:25] <iheartubuntu> wth!!!! 12.04 is getting rid of mahjong?
[06:26] <iheartubuntu> a 12.04 disc is 700+ mb and the upgrade is 1.3gb... that doesnt make much sense.
[06:35] <MarkDude> Fedora only uses like trackballs +1
[06:41] <MarkDude> Hmmm
[06:41] <MarkDude> Copy past fail
[06:41]  * MarkDude likes trackballs.
[06:41] <MarkDude> And was going to point out how dumb Fedora is for haiving live cd be 605 MB
[06:43] <MarkDude> I mean it used to be like 550 - all that space could be used to add some coll stuff
[06:44] <MarkDude> philipballew, have you seen the zombie kid saying I like turtles?
[06:51] <bkerensa> mm
[06:51] <bkerensa> Tonight was good food and good talk about Ubuntu
[06:51] <bkerensa> :)
[06:51] <bkerensa> Looks like Ubuntu Oregon will be renting a van for LinuxFest NW Tour
[06:55] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: netflix's licensing agreements with content providers won't allow them to release on linux until there is a way to confirm a certain amount of security for their content
[06:55] <pleia2> it only works on chromebooks if they don't have developer mode enabled
[06:55] <pleia2> see, with developer mode you can poke around the filesystem - they don't want that
[06:55] <philipballew> iheartubuntu, just reverse engineer ms silver light. NBD.
[06:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: It will come
[06:56] <bkerensa> :)
[06:56] <philipballew> mount the drive
[06:56] <iheartubuntu> so you cant open a file manager of any kind in chromeos?
[06:56] <philipballew> i use amazon prime. its the best for me
[06:56] <bkerensa> Netflix is pushing for HTML5 with DRM for obvious reasons
[06:56] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: not unless it's in developer mode
[06:56] <iheartubuntu> nbd?
[06:56] <pleia2> it's easy enough to switch it over (at least on the cr-48s it's a switch in the battery area)
[06:57] <bkerensa> pleia2: What if you install bash and then just go to terminal from GUI with dev mode disabled?
[06:57] <philipballew> MarkDude, Its the best!
[06:57] <bkerensa> yeah the switch on the Samsung ChromeBooks is in a USB cover area
[06:57] <pleia2> bkerensa: the terminal without dev mode is restricted to a very small set of commands, even if you install more you can't access it
[06:58] <bkerensa> hmm
[06:58] <iheartubuntu> im thinking of getting a hold of a chromebook and copying the netflix folder or whatever i can find :) and stick it in my chromium browser folder on ubuntu
[06:58] <iheartubuntu> theres got to be something super easy here
[06:58] <bkerensa> iheartubuntu: it wont work... I have the Netflix ChromeOS plugin
[06:58] <MarkDude> philipballew, I hella laughed at it- and felt bad- thought the kid was *special*
[06:58] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it doesn't persist, so you'd need to find a way to access it while it's running and serving netflix
[06:58] <bkerensa> :)
[06:58] <iheartubuntu> netflix doesnt work on the hexxeh builds either
[06:58] <bkerensa> I have tried every which way to get it to work on Chromium
[06:58] <philipballew> btw iheartubuntu its no big deal :)
[06:58] <pleia2> even then, I'm not sure how it works
[06:58] <MarkDude> saw him interviewed after it became famous, nope he is just a bit goofy
[06:59] <philipballew> we all were at that age
[06:59] <bkerensa> solution to not having Netflix is to just get a Roku 2 or Boxee
[06:59] <pleia2> it gives me errors pretty often complaining I'm in dev mode (I'm not), so even the current solution they use is annoying
[06:59] <pleia2> yeah, my TV does netflix (and uses a linux kernel)
[06:59] <bkerensa> although the Roku 2 Netflix GUI is ugly
[06:59] <iheartubuntu> bkerensa there is some sort of error the chrome app gives i think
[06:59] <bkerensa> I use my Xbox 360 for Netflix
[07:00] <iheartubuntu> and roku doesnt work when on the road and you wanna watch something in your netflix acct
[07:00] <philipballew> iheartubuntu, try a video game emulator?
[07:00] <bkerensa> iheartubuntu: True but a roku is so small you could put it in a laptop bag
[07:00] <iheartubuntu> the emulators apparently cannot connect to the internet (like dolphin)
[07:00] <bkerensa> and you can connect a roku to your laptop via hdmi
[07:00] <bkerensa> :D
[07:00] <pleia2> my 3DS does netflix, so does my phone
[07:00] <pleia2> I have no shortage of netflix devices ;)
[07:01] <bkerensa> so does mine but oy vay the data use would be epic unfun
[07:01] <bkerensa> :P
[07:01] <pleia2> my TV now does HBO, but to get HBO streaming you need cable services with HBO, crazy heads
[07:01] <iheartubuntu> i dont know how many people ive sent images to last month and they never got them since they cancelled their data plans! gettin pricey!
[07:02] <iheartubuntu> and now i read ATT is throttling users who have the unlimited packages
[07:02] <pleia2> sprint actually is the only carrier that does unlimited
[07:02] <pleia2> err, without throttling
[07:02] <iheartubuntu> major league soccer dropped MS silverlight at the end of last year and are moving to flash... YAY!
[07:03] <pleia2> too bad adobe dropped flash for linux ;P
[07:03] <iheartubuntu> ugggh
[07:03] <pleia2> unless you use chrome!
[07:03] <philipballew> we all alone!
[07:03] <iheartubuntu> flash still working for me in ff
[07:03] <pleia2> but firefox should come out with a plugin soon enough
[07:03] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, it just won't be updated moving forward
[07:03] <iheartubuntu> ugggh
[07:03] <philipballew> i see ubuntu shipping chrome eventually as default if fllash is still needed
[07:04] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html
[07:04] <iheartubuntu> 10 minutes to download 1.3gb and 3 hours to install. i should have burned an ISO and installed from a USB chip instead
[07:04] <pleia2> firefox has already talked about  a pepper plugin since the announcement
[07:05] <pleia2> philipballew: they can ship chromium but not chrome
[07:05] <iheartubuntu> someone send Torvalds an Ubuntu disc please... http://news.efytimes.com/e1/79760/Torvalds-Slams-openSUSE-And-Its-Security-Policies
[07:05] <philipballew> yeah, thats right. I run chrome though
[07:05] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: he complains about everything :)
[07:05] <philipballew> but he has a nice cat
[07:05] <iheartubuntu> philip... you are back to chrome?
[07:06] <iheartubuntu> best thing i ever did.... move to thunderbird
[07:06] <iheartubuntu> wait.. get married.
[07:06] <pleia2> haha
[07:06] <iheartubuntu> wait wait wait! not get married!
[07:06] <philipballew> i dont really like offline mail clients for myself tbh.
[07:07] <iheartubuntu> find true luv
[07:07] <iheartubuntu> tbh?
[07:07] <iheartubuntu> M.I.G.O.
[07:07] <iheartubuntu> (man im gettin old)
[07:07] <philipballew> to be honest
[07:07] <iheartubuntu> ahh
[07:08] <iheartubuntu> one of my complaints with chrome was if i had too many tabs open chrome would hang
[07:09] <pleia2> yeah, it noms memory
[07:09] <iheartubuntu> and when i used google reader... it would never work well in chrome. go figure.
[07:09] <iheartubuntu> i have like 20 tabs open in ff right now and no prob
[07:09] <pleia2> but I don't keep many tabs open, so it's still faster for me than firefox (though firefox has improved a lot)
[07:10] <pleia2> I hate to say it, but it's been cold this winter
[07:10] <pleia2> the Mainer in me is laughing so
[07:11] <philipballew> did it touch 50 pleia2 ? :)
[07:11] <iheartubuntu> no lyz... the coldness here is different somehow.
[07:11] <iheartubuntu> serious
[07:11] <pleia2> philipballew: it's 46 now!
[07:11] <iheartubuntu> i can take 10 degrees in VT, but 40 here is like frozen
[07:11] <pleia2> been in the 40s at night for like a month
[07:11] <iheartubuntu> i cant explain
[07:17] <pleia2> I don't miss the cold
[07:18] <iheartubuntu> too many serious injuries from car accidents in the snow and ice
[07:19] <pleia2> yeah, there is that
[07:20] <iheartubuntu> i ordered my sis a nice video card with two huge fans on it. i hope this solves her crashing problem
[07:20] <pleia2> mostly I was talking about being chilled to the bone for 4 months, hot chocolate and fireplaces only go so far :)
[07:20] <pleia2> ah, hope so!
[07:20] <iheartubuntu> i cant believe her system76 computer is already 4 years old
[07:21] <iheartubuntu> she paid like $1800 for it too and it can only handle 4gb max of mem
[07:21] <pleia2> wow
[07:21] <iheartubuntu> and she only uses it for world of warcraft :)
[07:22] <iheartubuntu> the cost does not justify the means for me!
[07:22] <pleia2> my little sister plays WoW like it's her job (I think it might be, she doesn't work :P)
[07:22] <pleia2> runs a guild and all kinds of things
[07:22] <iheartubuntu> yah my sister too
[07:22] <iheartubuntu> but shes like 95 years old
[07:23] <iheartubuntu> ok maybe not that old
[07:23] <iheartubuntu> :-)
[07:23] <pleia2> she was bored so I tried to get her to run Ubuntu and work with me on projects, then she discovered WoW, so much for that :)
[07:23] <iheartubuntu> is she running it on wine?
[07:23] <pleia2> nope :(
[07:24] <iheartubuntu> from what ive seen wow looks like it runs better on ubuntu then in windows
[07:24] <pleia2> hah
[07:24] <iheartubuntu> in ubuntu you can expand the window and go full screen
[07:24] <iheartubuntu> and force quit or xkill or x out of it if it is acting funny
[07:25] <pleia2> that's the kind of thing that most bothered me when I started using Linux and had to use Windows sometimes
[07:25] <pleia2> in Windows you don't have options, things work the way they work, and if something goes wrong you reboot
[07:26] <pleia2> how do people live like that?! :)
[07:26] <iheartubuntu> i wish WINE had the option to close out an app if its not responding. right now on an app i use... dreamweaver, or even future pinball... efen after i finish using the program it will still be running and using some cpu in the background unless i kill the process
[07:27] <iheartubuntu> * even
[07:27] <iheartubuntu> i notice this with evernote too
[07:27] <iheartubuntu> so i just use the web version instead
[07:27] <pleia2> anyway, everyone in my family thinks I'm some crazy computer wizard who uses these strange, complicated computer thing and they won't touch it, it's even worse now that I live in a city in california, I have no credibility left ;)
[07:28] <iheartubuntu> you havent converted all of them?
[07:28] <pleia2> none of them
[07:29] <pleia2> I sent my aunt a CD and a copy of the Ubuntu Manual, but she bought a new laptop instead :\
[07:29] <iheartubuntu> ive converted everyone except for two brothers. one who plays games a lot, and another who says he needs MS office for editing contracts
[07:30] <philipballew> Its called learned helplessnes
[07:30] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: admittedly, I don't live near any family (and haven't for years)
[07:30] <iheartubuntu> just upgraded my dad and sis to 11.10 and so far they love the new unity
[07:30] <philipballew> they think there no way theyll understand computers
[07:32] <iheartubuntu> while i dont own or use any MS products anymore, i still have some of their stock. its stable and i earn dividends. if only apple paid dividends
[07:33] <iheartubuntu> that scrabble game turned out good today
[07:33] <pleia2> yeah, scrabble was fun
[07:34] <iheartubuntu> i dont know if people are up for that sort of low graphics fun though
[07:34] <iheartubuntu> i like fps, but that gets boring after a while
[07:34] <pleia2> I'm dyslexic and there is no chance I'll ever win a game of scrabble, I am fun the play with!
[07:35] <pleia2> and I don't mind losing :)
[07:35] <iheartubuntu> i didnt want to say anything, but i had test played a few other people over the last week and lost all the games :)
[07:35] <iheartubuntu> u just have to hit the x2 and x3 squares to get the points
[07:35] <philipballew> maybe ubuntu will go public
[07:36] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, I should look up online what those squares mean, I was hyper focused on actually getting words made out of my letters
[07:36] <pleia2> and truly, I'd be lost without shuffle
[07:36] <iheartubuntu> the problem with going public is a company has to churn out profits to keep shareholders happy
[07:37] <iheartubuntu> apple for example makes profits from chinese workers instead of american workers
[07:37] <philipballew> very true. thats why philip ballew inc will never go public
[07:37] <iheartubuntu> (you could insert most any company in place of apples name above)
[07:37] <philipballew> my 8 dollar an hour job gets me nowhere
[07:37] <iheartubuntu> hey hows that going
[07:38] <philipballew> great! making a lubuntu image to put into laptop to go to churches In Africa!
[07:38] <philipballew> South Africa!
[07:38] <pleia2> cool :)
[07:39] <iheartubuntu> qi was a good word
[07:39] <iheartubuntu> the only Q word i can remember :)
[07:39] <pleia2> the trouble with q is the common u dependency
[07:40] <philipballew> thats where apt-get comes in
[07:40] <philipballew> its helps me remember the U
[07:40] <pleia2> I wasn't sure it would take qi :) it's chinesee!
[07:40] <pleia2> -e
[07:40] <iheartubuntu> parcheesee?
[07:40] <pleia2> stuck e key :)
[07:41] <iheartubuntu> there is also "gtkatlantic" to play monopoly
[07:41] <pleia2> I haven't played openarena in years
[07:42] <pleia2> we used to have Unreal Tournament LAN parties (it ran on linux even in 2002!)
[07:42] <iheartubuntu> if anyone has any game ideas... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/GameNights
[07:42] <pleia2> but UT is a bit long in the tooth these days, and you have to buy it
[07:42] <iheartubuntu> those were the good days
[07:43] <pleia2> hehe
[07:43] <pleia2> hauling CRT monitors to LAN parties, oh yeah!
[07:43] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/Photos/pl2/pl2langeek.jpg
[07:43] <pleia2> ^^ like that
[07:43] <pleia2> (I was also skinny back then, those /where/ the days!)
[07:44] <philipballew> crt monitors are cool. last forever
[07:44] <pleia2> not when your cats sleep on top of them
[07:44] <pleia2> for instance: http://simcoec.at/images/one_of_your_toys.jpg
[07:44] <philipballew> yeah, my cat chubbs thinks my keybord is the best place. even if im typing
[07:45] <pleia2> and in finding that I remembered the best bad simcoe picture ever: http://simcoec.at/images/lamp_cat.jpg
[07:45] <pleia2> although this is in the running too: http://simcoec.at/images/bad_kitty_01.jpg
[07:45] <philipballew> id hate to burn myself on a lamp like that
[07:45] <pleia2> she has no fear
[07:46] <philipballew> How is she doing these days?
[07:47] <pleia2> she's had a rough couple of days actually (after about 4 weeks of being great)
[07:47] <pleia2> hoping she gets through it without another vet visit
[07:47] <philipballew> that is good that she had good weeks, I imagine she will be okay?
[07:48] <pleia2> she's on daily medication and we have to give her fluids under the skin every other day to manage her kidney failure
[07:48] <iheartubuntu> did you have dual crts?
[07:48] <pleia2> so "will be ok" is a temporary state in her condition
[07:48] <philipballew> I had a dog that was sick at one point in my life. Had breast cancer. Sick Animals can be hard, but you gotta do what you gotta do
[07:48] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: nope
[07:49] <pleia2> I did end up with a lan party CRT and a home CRT (17" and 19" each, the 19" was like 2x as heavy, I couldn't carry it)
[07:49] <philipballew> I also had a dog we had to put down because my neighbor shot it in the face. I was five! Oh the fun childhood.
[07:49] <pleia2> philipballew: oh wow :(
[07:49] <iheartubuntu> philip... your special neighbor?
[07:49] <pleia2> and yeah, having a sick pet isn't easy, her diagnosis had me a wreck for about a week
[07:50] <philipballew> the dog went into its cow field, he neighbors shot it
[07:50] <pleia2> but I've gotten used to her treatment, the needles and fluids aren't so scary now
[07:50] <philipballew> no, these people moved a few years ago
[07:50] <iheartubuntu> my sister has a rat
[07:50] <philipballew> but my special neighbors...
[07:50] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: rats are great pets :)
[07:50] <iheartubuntu> and those rats all get tumors after a few years
[07:50] <pleia2> yeah :(
[07:51] <pleia2> they are mostly bred as snake food, so mostly it doesn't matter if they're all inbred
[07:51] <philipballew> the husband got back from 7 months in jail last week. already got arrested and police took and siezed all their stuff today according to the rents..
[07:51] <iheartubuntu> are there pure breed rats?
[07:51] <pleia2> presumably ones used for medical testing aren't a mess
[07:51] <pleia2> but who knows :)
[07:52] <iheartubuntu> my neices boyfriend is being picked up by the feds tomorrow
[07:52] <pleia2> yikes
[07:52] <iheartubuntu> moonshine!
[07:52] <pleia2> haha
[07:52] <pleia2> nice
[07:52] <iheartubuntu> i asked if he had all his teeth
[07:52] <pleia2> lol
[07:53] <philipballew> they were selling pot i think on my street. when a different car shows up for 5 minutes and leaves 10 times a day...
[07:53] <iheartubuntu> have you given them an ubuntu disc?
[07:53] <iheartubuntu> maybe they will get hooked on "dopewars" instead
[07:54] <iheartubuntu> although they would have to launch the game via terminal command unless you made them a link in the menu
[07:55] <iheartubuntu> and if they wanted to make "brownies" you could install gourmet recipe manager for them too
[07:55] <philipballew> they were stealing our neighbors internet a few months back. I wanna wait till they try to get on ours, let them, and then wait till they visit porn or try to download something illegeal and go confront them about it. Make for an awkward convo. Did I mention they have a giant Confederate Flag out front and are kinda racists.
[07:55] <iheartubuntu> where is seidos these days. i havent been around much but havent heard from him in ages
[07:55] <MarkDude> lol brownies
[07:55] <pleia2> he comes and goes
[07:55] <philipballew> saw him at scale
[07:56] <iheartubuntu> do they have all THEIR teeth?
[07:56] <pleia2> hey MarkDude!
[07:56] <iheartubuntu> sup kev!
[07:56] <iheartubuntu> you cant just bake the dope, you have to soak it for making brownies
[07:56] <iheartubuntu> so ive heard
[07:56] <pleia2> lol
[07:56] <MarkDude> Hey pleia2
[07:57] <pleia2> this state is so funny, I walk down Market toward Embarcadero on my way to the gym and it's like a party every day (but with normal people! in suits and stuff!)
[07:57] <MarkDude> They have books that tell people how to make that sorta thing
[07:57] <pleia2> just walking and smoking
[07:57] <iheartubuntu> thats when you buy a pint of ben & jerrys too
[07:57] <MarkDude> UDS will be very closeby
[07:57] <philipballew> my school bans pot for some reason...
[07:58] <philipballew> expels you on spot
[07:58] <MarkDude> pleia2, is correct
[07:58] <MarkDude> 3 piece suits
[07:58] <philipballew> yet my hall smells like weed
[07:58] <MarkDude> and old grannies with jonts in their pouths
[07:58] <iheartubuntu> last time i was in SF i was relaxing at union square and 4 people were smoking up
[07:58] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: yeah, it's everywhere
[07:58] <iheartubuntu> then a couple came over and asked if they could have some too
[07:58] <iheartubuntu> and they said yah $20
[07:58] <iheartubuntu> and the deal was done right like that
[07:59] <pleia2> a friend of mine recently moved here and he's all "I got my card!" "card?" (I live in my own world apparently)
[07:59] <MarkDude> My grandma got pissed about people smoking after leaving baseball game
[07:59] <iheartubuntu> then i walked up to washington square and the people who bought the stuff were smoking there. and someone asked THEM if they could have some and they gave them some
[07:59] <philipballew> i might be there in a week or two. I will be in nor cal with nothing to do. the weather is hopefully good
[07:59] <MarkDude> She was not so pissed about 10 minutes later
[07:59] <pleia2> MarkDude: hehe
[07:59] <philipballew> I cant wait till summer and its gonna be baseball season there
[08:00] <MarkDude> Grannie in SF and now shes hungry
[08:00] <philipballew> youll see me there a lot
[08:00]  * MarkDude just got season tickets in Mail
[08:00] <pleia2> yay :)
[08:00] <MarkDude> pleia2, needs to get some games figured
[08:00] <pleia2> yes!
[08:00] <bkerensa> MarkDude: You should so make it up for LinuxFest NW
[08:00] <iheartubuntu> markdude what was your fave team year?
[08:00] <bkerensa> :D
[08:00]  * philipballew will be at the a's a lot as well
[08:00] <pleia2> MJ keeps teasing me about the A's moving, he is mean
[08:01] <philipballew> tickets are nicely priced.
[08:01] <pleia2> the 49ers are moving! the A's stay :)
[08:01] <MarkDude> Rickey HEnderson
[08:01] <iheartubuntu> i miss just getting off bart and going to the game
[08:01] <MarkDude> years he was there
[08:01] <iheartubuntu> yeah henderson was great
[08:01] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it is pretty awesome
[08:01] <philipballew> you can take the train right to angels games iheartubuntu
[08:01] <pleia2> I can walk to Giants games, but I like A's games more
[08:01] <MarkDude> More room there
[08:01] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I hope to take a visit to Redmond while in that neck of the woods... Would be fun to have a giant penguin running around MS campus
[08:01] <iheartubuntu> those were some of my fave baseball years... early 90s i think... doc gooden, strawberry, henderson, etc
[08:02]  * MarkDude is willing to do that
[08:02] <pleia2> I didn't even know I liked baseball until moving here :)
[08:02] <MarkDude> bkerensa, you film
[08:02] <pleia2> sports, meh
[08:02] <MarkDude> I will go on campus
[08:02] <iheartubuntu> although the 80s were pretty good too... j.r. richard, nolan ryan, pete rose, etc
[08:02] <pleia2> but there is something about going to baseball games, fun times, especially with MarkDude and co
[08:03] <MarkDude> What was your other quote--- they dont really swear here like they do in Philly :)
[08:03] <pleia2> haha
[08:03] <pleia2> Phillies fans do nothing but swear!
[08:03] <iheartubuntu> i was varsity pitcher in HS
[08:03] <pleia2> Eagles too, they are like Raiders fans :)
[08:03] <MarkDude> Well the seats are nice spot
[08:03] <MarkDude> Similar
[08:04] <MarkDude> No Gio this year, he's traded
[08:04] <iheartubuntu> when does the season start?
[08:04] <MarkDude> I am making a trip to see him in  ffew games
[08:04] <pleia2> MarkDude: where to?
[08:04] <MarkDude> in a few weeks
[08:04] <philipballew> Giants 2012 maybe. possible
[08:04] <MarkDude> Washington Nationals
[08:05] <pleia2> ah, hehe
[08:05] <MarkDude> So he is near Florida
[08:05] <pleia2> well, they need all the help they can get :)
[08:05] <iheartubuntu> did spring training start?
[08:05] <MarkDude> so thata is good for him
[08:05] <MarkDude> Yep
[08:05]  * MarkDude has friends there
[08:05] <MarkDude> Grandma is going soon
[08:06] <MarkDude> Dallas is still on the team pleia2  ;)
[08:06] <pleia2> <3
[08:06] <MarkDude> :)
[08:07] <MarkDude> We also got Manny Ramirez
[08:07] <MarkDude> the steroid dude
[08:07] <iheartubuntu> ubuntu 12.04 install is in cleanup mode :) almost ready to restart!
[08:07] <MarkDude> cant play for 50 games
[08:07] <pleia2> doh
[08:07] <pleia2> alright, sleepytime
[08:08] <pleia2> night all
[08:08] <MarkDude> There will be new players to meet, and more pics I can edit of them
[08:08] <pleia2> lol
[08:08] <MarkDude> later
[08:10]  * philipballew likes to go to river cats games lately
[08:10] <iheartubuntu> login screen is nice on 12.04
[08:15] <iheartubuntu> OMG ubuntu 12.04 is beautiful! unless my +1.50 glasses are fooling me somehow
[08:16] <philipballew> i like ubuntu 12.10 better
[08:16] <iheartubuntu> ???
[08:17] <philipballew> it wasnt made yet, so I compiled it myself
[08:18] <philipballew> jk
[08:18] <philipballew> Just Kidding
[08:19] <iheartubuntu> bravo for ubuntu putting in global privacy settings
[08:21] <philipballew> How so?
[08:22] <iheartubuntu> you can control your data better
[08:26] <philipballew> my ubuntu install is really effed up from all the crap I throw at it. I think I might deleate my user account and start a new account
[15:09] <alum_asir83> hello
[18:27] <nhaines> PROTIP: It's okay to be disappointed that warranty replacement drives are recertified and not new retail models (but sometimes they're new), but if you bought your drive a year and a half ago, it is not "brand new".
[22:58] <MarkDude> At La Scala for Ubuntu Jam
[22:58] <MarkDude> Still time to make it down
[23:08] <MarkDude> There are ponies here
[23:08] <akk> OMG!
[23:08] <MarkDude> The Unicorn should be here later, after we are done with the cotton condy
[23:10]  * akk is busy doing robotic car homework
[23:11] <nhaines> akk: I thought you said acrobatic car homework and now I have a sad.
[23:45] <broder> for sf people, i'm not doing anything formal, but i'm planning to pick a coffee shop and plop down for the better part of saturday
[23:49] <pleia2> broder: where?
[23:49] <broder> somewhere in the city. haven't decided exactly where yet


[00:01] <vino> babbageclunk: sure. SO for now i will address the systemd unit tests. Becuase if the fix around mongo.go is not justfied. then there is no point me fixing those mongo_tests. But i am sure the fix around that verification is ok.
[00:06] <babbageclunk> vino: makes sense
[00:08] <vino> I will also add a note around there in PR so that anyone looks into it can have a say abt that part in mongo.go. Maybe Ian can look into it later.
[00:54] <babbageclunk> vino: can we chat in a hangout? I've got some questions about the PR.
[00:55] <vino> babbageclunk: hi can u gimme 5 mins please... i am almost done fixing all issues in systemd.
[00:55] <vino> please :)
[00:56] <vino> or 2 mins
[00:56] <babbageclunk> vino: ok, ping when you're ready. :)
[00:56] <vino> babbageclunk: thank u
[01:00] <vino> babbageclunk: lets go to hangout
[01:00] <babbageclunk> ok
[01:12] <veebers> Could I get a review on this quick one? (removing debugging logging) https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8673
[01:12]  * anastasiamac looking
[01:14] <veebers> cheers anastasiamac
[01:14] <anastasiamac> \o/
[03:01] <veebers> argh, the failure reason: I'm a bid dumb doo-doo head :-\
[03:01] <veebers> replace "return modelcmd.Wrap(cmd)" with "return cmd", *should* have been: return modelcmd.WrapController(cmd)
[04:38] <veebers> kelvinliu: FYI https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8683
[04:38] <kelvinliu> veebers, looking now
[04:38] <veebers> babbageclunk: ^^ thats the PR for the work I spoke with you about the other day (add-k8s command being a BaseCommand or controller command vs a model command)
[04:45]  * thumper EODs
[04:57] <babbageclunk> veebers: consarn it, why didn't I get a notification about that! Sorry. Looking now anyway.
[04:59] <babbageclunk> veebers: approved
[04:59] <veebers> yay cheers
[08:10] <srihas> hi guys, I have added 10 machines using juju add-machine. if I do juju machines I get all machines 0-9 with state started
[08:10] <srihas> I am trying to deploy openstack-base using juju deploy ./openstack-base
[08:11] <srihas> but I have removed the "machines" section from the bundle.yaml file
[08:11] <srihas> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cqfrKJQkPW/
[08:12] <srihas> These are the errors I am getting
[08:12] <srihas> if I keep the machines section, then the error is like No available machine matches constraints: [('zone', ['default']), ('agent_name', ['ca16835a-e545-49b1-89ac-d59fea465599'])] (resolved to "zone=defau
[08:12] <srihas> can someone help?
[08:14] <zeestrat> srihas: If you're trying to map existing machines then you might want to look into mapping them: https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.3/charms-bundles#recycling-machines
[08:16] <srihas> zeestrat: saved my day
[08:16] <srihas> thank you :)
[08:18] <zeestrat> srihas: No problemo.
[08:20] <srihas> zeestrat: the bundle doesn't have corosync+pacemaket thing for HA, can I add it later and map using relations?
[08:20] <srihas> pacemaker*
[08:22] <zeestrat> srihas: We usually deploy it straight away, but should probably work later to as long as you set the correct options. See https://jujucharms.com/hacluster/ for more details
[08:24] <srihas> zeestrat: will look at it, I might need to tweak a little bit :) ty
[08:29] <srihas> zeestrat: it installed mysql 5.6 along with the bundle not mysql 5.7
[08:29] <srihas> I will wait and see if it upgrades after deployment
[13:12] <srihas> cinder/3                waiting   idle   4/lxd/0  <IP_ADDRESS>      8776/tcp        Incomplete relations: messaging
[13:12] <srihas> how can I see the logs?
[13:12] <srihas> rabbitmq-server/5       active    idle   6/lxd/5  <IP_ADDRESS>     5672/tcp        Unit is ready and clustered
[13:14] <srihas> Am I missing something?
[14:30] <cory_fu> tinwood: I updated https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/pull/396 per your review, when you have a chance to take a look.  I'm also looking over your PR and I'm just about ready to +1 it.  Should we consider updating the snapcraft.yaml to use Py3, though?
[14:31] <tinwood> cory_fu, hi!  Sure, I'll take at look at 396.  I hadn't thought of the snapcraft.yaml to be honest :)  Yes, it's probably a very good idea.  Shall I do that too as part of the PR?
[14:31] <cory_fu> tinwood: Sure.
[14:32] <tinwood> cory_fu, kk, I'll take a look at that.
[14:49] <bobeo> o/
[14:51] <bobeo> with my juju deployment via maas, I can account for 17 physical servers, but inside of maas, I only see 9 nodes accounted for. 2 of the 17 are dedicated for a physical instance of vmware, 1 for an haproxy instance, so thats 3 of 17, plus 9, for 12. 5 are unaccounted for, but 89 devices are listed in maas. What are some suggestions on best ways to approach this situation? Also, I would like to move machines and applications between models
[14:53] <manadart> guild cats: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8686
[15:21] <bobeo> with my juju deployment via maas, I can account for 17 physical servers, but inside of maas, I only see 9 nodes accounted for. 2 of the 17 are dedicated for a physical instance of vmware, 1 for an haproxy instance, so thats 3 of 17, plus 9, for 12. 5 are unaccounted for, but 89 devices are listed in maas. What are some suggestions on best ways to approach this situation? Also, I would like to move machines and applications between models
[15:25] <bdx> bobeo: I would back wayyyyy out
[15:25] <bdx> bobeo: 1) get everything working/showing up correctly in maas
[15:26] <bdx> without juju being a part of the picture
[15:27] <bdx> bobeo: 2) bootstrap maas with juju only after you have #1 ironed out
[15:28] <bdx> bobeo: that should get you moving in the right direction
[15:28] <rick_h_> bobeo: so MAAS will search the network for devices out of the box on the network
[15:28] <rick_h_> bobeo: this could be wifi access points, tvs, really anything
[15:28] <rick_h_> bobeo: so the nodes view is only comissioned hardware that Juju would use
[15:29] <rick_h_> bobeo: anything on the devices list aren't in Juju's realm. That's a MAAS/network thing
[15:29] <rick_h_> if I'm reading that right
[15:35] <bdx> ahh I think I may have read it wrong, @bobeo my bad - sounds like your maas may be working legitimately and you are just confused about the extra devices showing up in maas?
[15:35] <bdx> "with my juju deployment via maas, I can account for 17 physical servers" - possibly some of these are lxd
[15:35] <bdx> ?
[15:35] <bdx> rick_h wins
[15:35] <bdx> :)
[15:41]  * rick_h_ does victory dance...if he's right
[15:41] <rick_h_> mainly looking for opportunities to dance
[16:07] <TheAbsentOne> rick_h_ I hope your victory dance isn't one that makes it rain x)
[16:09] <TheAbsentOne> Does anyone see why I get a TypeError method() takes 1 positional argument but 2 were given on https://github.com/Ciberth/generic-database/blob/master/reactive/generic-database.py#L35 I'm confused as I used the pgsql interface before and it worked like this :s
[16:10] <TheAbsentOne> https://interface-pgsql.readthedocs.io/en/stable/requires.html#example-usage <-- exactly the same no?
[16:19] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: I'm 0/1 today so no promises
[16:20] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: they aren't the same, I can spot the difference, can you?
[16:22] <TheAbsentOne> well I feel more and more retarded every day I work with the reactive framework so go ahead become 1/2 haha
[16:24] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: the new endpoints stuff should help with this issue because you can forego passing the arguments into the function at all and just use endpoint = endpoint_from_flag('psqldb.master.available'); endpoint.master['dbname'] -  basically you are passing two objects into that function because of the two flags in the @when, and you only defin
[16:24] <bdx> e one argument
[16:25] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/mysql-shared-example/blob/master/reactive/mysql_shared_example.py#L39
[16:26] <TheAbsentOne> that's what I was thinking the second flag passes a second object so basicly 2 'selfs' right? bdx
[16:26] <TheAbsentOne> so in this example I can just delete the parameter then?
[16:26] <bobeo> bdx: rick_h_  Yea, its working right, and synced right with juju. my issue is I have hardware that is an outlier to juju/maas, and I want to keep it that way for that existing infrastructure. I made the mistake of not configuring the IPMI intelligently, which was my mistake, and so now Im trying to unfubar myself
[16:27] <bdx> lol ok then :)
[16:27] <TheAbsentOne> and what is the proper way to have the object then where I can call set_database on in the function above bdx ? Can you do that too with endpoint?
[16:27] <bobeo> The idea being identify the other 8, which I have now,a nd figure out A. How did I miss 8 servers? and B. Reconfigure their IPMI networking so they arent mixed in, so I dont make the same mistake twice.
[16:27] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: yes
[16:28] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: another example  https://github.com/omnivector-solutions/layer-logstash/blob/master/reactive/logstash.py#L53,L56
[16:28] <TheAbsentOne> so i can endpoint = endpoint_from_flag('..'); endpoint.set_database()? bdx
[16:28] <bdx> yessir
[16:29] <TheAbsentOne> that's awesome, thanks for that example of logstash
[16:29] <bdx> np
[16:29] <TheAbsentOne> I'm really messing things up by combining new ways with old ways it seems
[16:33] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: yeah, things just recently got changed around a bit, I'm totally in favor of the endpoints patter (the new way) - I feel its far cleaner and more explicit amongst other things
[16:33] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: its probably just more confusing for you combining the two
[16:36] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: the olden way should be gone and deprecated soon enough, I would just stick with the endpoints pattern going forward unless you have a reason not to
[16:55] <TheAbsentOne> yeah definitely the endpoint pattern is awesome, it's just that I try to look at other examples for help and stuff and I mix it up doing weird stuff
[16:55] <TheAbsentOne> I'm gonna try to fix it in a bit thanks again bdx, maybe you should write a tutorial ;)
[16:56] <bdx> np
[16:57] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: seems to be all I do lately - https://imgur.com/a/lgEkHKn
[16:58] <bdx> thats only a small subsection of the overall docs
[16:58] <TheAbsentOne> Hehe shows how fluent you are with it! I'll try to write some things to and let you guys review it, might be interesting for newcomers
[16:58] <TheAbsentOne> is it public available? bdx
[16:59] <bdx> TheAbsentOne: awesome
[16:59] <bdx> not yet
[16:59] <bdx> they will be soon
[16:59] <TheAbsentOne> looking forward to it!
[16:59] <bdx> getting lots of good feedback internally, should give for a better end product when I release them to the wild
[17:00] <bdx> give me a week or so,  I'll ping the list when I start releasing them
[17:02] <TheAbsentOne> Good stuff, sounds very nice
[17:22] <rick_h_> Juju Show reminder in 40min kwmonroe cory_fu bdx zeestrat and anyone else that wants to hang out or stream
[17:22] <rick_h_> get
[17:22] <rick_h_> get your coffee filled up
[17:41] <kwmonroe> ahoy rick_h_, i won't be able to make it today -- we welcomed a baby girl into the world last week, so i'm just getting caught up from paternity leave.  i'll see your coffee advice and raise you a redbull.
[17:41] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: congrats!!!!!
[17:41] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: time to setup the mainline
[17:41] <kwmonroe> :)
[17:41] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: assume everyone is doing ok?
[17:42] <kwmonroe> yup yup rick_h_, everyone is doing great!
[17:43] <TheAbsentOne> kwmonroe congratz, enjoy it!
[17:43] <kwmonroe> thanks!
[17:43] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: so awesome, get a good nap in :)
[17:51] <bobeo> bdx: rick_h_ ok so I solved that problem, now juju is trying to deploy in two zones I dont want it to deploy from, which arent the defalt zone. any ideas?
[17:52] <rick_h_> Links for the show today: to join and chat https://goo.gl/4kZPBT and to watch all the things from the comfort of an un-mike'd browser use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIDcHiNV-6o
[17:54] <TheAbsentOne> I still love that foto and the fact it was taken at my college x)
[17:54] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: cool
[17:55] <bdx> kwmonroe: congrats!!
[17:55] <kwmonroe> thx bdx!
[18:11] <bobeo> rick_h_ bdx kwmonroe how do I deploy to a specific zone?
[18:12] <bdx> bobeo: --to zone=<zone-name>
[18:13] <bobeo> bdx: HAZAAAH!
[18:13] <bobeo> I kept doing --zone=<zone name> I thought I was going crazy XD
[18:15] <kwmonroe> bdx: tell rick_h_ that his screen is not the primary
[18:16] <TheAbsentOne> yeah not catching the terminal
[18:17] <kwmonroe> nope, bdx, tell him to screen share better -- he's showing Erik's face
[18:20] <bobeo> bdx: ok so Im losing my mind here. Does the hardware state need to be in "Ready" or "Allocated" state in order to be allocated to a juju application?
[18:20] <bdx> bobeo: ready
[18:23] <TheAbsentOne> wait I was behind a bit, what happened to the stream xD
[18:23] <kwmonroe> TheAbsentOne: it died for me around 15m :/
[18:23] <kwmonroe> probably because i was lamenting the fact that rick_h_'s terminal was not being presented.
[18:24] <TheAbsentOne> yeah same, too much eric for the stream to handle x) just kidding ;)
[18:24] <kwmonroe> lol
[18:24] <TheAbsentOne> the call is probably still busy?
[18:27] <rick_h_> uh oh
[18:27] <bobeo> bdx: Ok, so then why isnt this working? juju deploy cs:~graylog-charmers/graylog --to zone=Security
[18:27] <rick_h_> when I dropped to reconnect did it kill the livestream?
[18:27] <bdx> possibly
[18:27] <bobeo> the box is in the ready state in the Security zone
[18:27] <rick_h_> oh crap it did!?!?!?!
[18:28] <TheAbsentOne> rick_h_: youtube posted vid of almost 16 min
[18:28] <rick_h_> oh man...rick fail
[18:28] <rick_h_> even worse than I thought I did
[18:28] <TheAbsentOne> all is lost after that xD
[18:28] <bdx> bobeo: whats does the error say?
[18:28] <rick_h_> well actually it's there after I reconnect
[18:28] <rick_h_> so that didn't kill it, but something else did
[18:29] <TheAbsentOne> do you have local recording rick_h_ ?
[18:29] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: nope...I had to switch machines and such
[18:29] <rick_h_> bdx: zeestrat (bdx is your friend here?) https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/05/03/lxd-clusters-a-primer
[18:29] <bobeo> bdx: Thats the weird part, its not giving an error. The system isnt shifting from ready to allocating, maas specifically, and juju is just saying pending machine
[18:30] <bobeo> agent says "allocating"
[18:30] <bobeo> should I kill the app and restart it?
[18:30] <bdx> idk, @eriklonroth^
[18:30] <bobeo> the install*
[18:30] <bdx> the node is probably booting
[18:31] <bobeo> bdx: thats the thing though, its not moving from the ready position in maas, its just sittng there
[18:31] <bdx> bobeo: ahh I see
[18:31] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: oh damn, I see what you're saying. Since I reconnected and wasn't the "driver" of the stream I could click and see my terminal but it didn't make it the stream's main view
[18:31] <rick_h_> man, what a can of fail today
[18:32] <rick_h_> ok, pulling the video
[18:32] <bdx> bobeo: can you capture a few screen shots
[18:33] <bdx> of the node details page in maas and the juju status
[18:33] <bobeo> sure!
[18:33] <TheAbsentOne> rick_h_: don't be bothered by it too much man it happens
[18:35] <rick_h_> hah, /me just put together eriklonroth is erik from the HO. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/05/03/lxd-clusters-a-primer for you too
[18:35] <bobeo> bdx: ok I got them
[18:36] <bdx> bobeo: use your fav img posting service and send some links
[18:38] <bobeo> bdx: https://imgur.com/a/vt20E8A
[18:39] <bobeo> bdx: Do you think its because of this from the link vs the instruction set? cs:graylog-15 vs juju deploy cs:~graylog-charmers/graylog --to zone=Security
[18:40] <bobeo> bdx: Do you think if I changed it to juju deploy cs:graylog-15 --to zone=Security  that it will deploy?
[18:40] <bdx> bobeo: what I usually do in this situation is go back to square 0
[18:40] <bdx> bobeo: try just `juju deploy ubuntu`
[18:40] <bdx> or `juju add-machine`
[18:41] <bdx> we need to get the most basic use case working before trying to deploy charms to zones
[18:41] <bdx> possibly `juju add-machine` may be best here
[18:42] <bdx> see if you can get that to work
[18:42] <bobeo> bdx: see if I can get a machine to add at all, then add the app to the machine with the --to machine:"X" sufix?
[18:43] <bdx> yeah, but more or less, we just want to verify
[18:43] <bdx> this isn't the long term fix
[18:43] <bobeo> dangit, its hung not aborting two add-machine commands
[18:43] <bobeo> tried juju remove-machine "X"  and with --force, its not working
[18:43] <bdx> after you verify that you can add machines successfully, then try adding them to specific zones `juju add-machine zone=Security`
[18:43] <bobeo> still trying to add the machines
[18:44] <bobeo> yea, thats what I meant to do
[18:44] <bdx> I see
[18:44] <bdx> bobeo: yeah, you may have gotten your model stuck possibly
[18:48] <bobeo> bdx: Any ideas? I checked all IPMI to make sure no mismatched IP, and no issues there.
[19:57] <TheAbsentOne> bdx: you still here? I'm close to having a working thing but I'm once again lost in my own thoughts. I basicly want to pass a flag from one charm to another. How do you that in endpoint pattern properly?
[20:00] <TheAbsentOne> I want a @when in my other charm on this https://github.com/Ciberth/generic-database/blob/master/reactive/generic-database.py#L70
[20:04] <TheAbsentOne> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n27pznx2ms3ew4d/temphandlerquestion.png?dl=0 <-- this in the requires.py doesn't make sense right?
[20:37] <veebers> Morning all
[21:03] <thumper> morning team
[21:20] <babbageclunk> morning
[21:32] <TheAbsentOne> Welp I see the morning's time for me to go to bed, I'll try again tomorrow ^^ bye everyone
[21:41] <magicaltrout> so... if you trash your laptop
[21:41] <magicaltrout> is it possible to reconnect to a manually provisioned juju setup?
[21:41] <magicaltrout> or do i need to find a backup from somewhere?
[21:43] <admcleod_> magicaltrout: was the controller on your laptop too?
[21:43] <magicaltrout> nope
[21:45] <magicaltrout> i tried `juju register <ip address>`
[21:45] <admcleod_> magicaltrout: you could run 'juju add-user' on the controller host
[21:45] <magicaltrout> I have zero clue if its doing anything
[21:45] <admcleod_> magicaltrout: that shuld probably work but i guess you still need some creds - maybe try with --debug
[21:46] <magicaltrout> debug shows nowt also
[21:46] <admcleod_> magicaltrout: try 'juju add-user' on the controller machine
[21:47] <magicaltrout> hmm so the controller is remote, but I didn't bootstrap it on the remote machine
[21:47] <magicaltrout> so there's no juju binary
[21:48] <admcleod_> hrm
[21:48] <babbageclunk> magicaltrout: I feel like this must have happened to someone before...
[21:48] <magicaltrout> meh one of the other guys has access to it I can get him to prod it and sort it out tomorrow, i just trying to cheat
[21:49] <babbageclunk> I think you could make the controllers.yaml file you'd need, given that you can ssh to the controller machine, but it would be fiddly.
[21:51] <magicaltrout> yeah.... not that bothered ;) I'll figure it out via a working install tomorrow :P
[21:51] <magicaltrout> thanks chaps
[21:53] <admcleod_> \o/
[21:54] <babbageclunk> magicaltrout: cool
[22:02] <thumper> magicaltrout: I strongly recommend keeping a backup
[22:03] <magicaltrout> backups are for wimps
[22:03] <thumper> magicaltrout: in theory it is possible to reconstruct the components necessary to build up what you need to reconnect
[22:03] <thumper> but it isn't easy
[22:03] <thumper> and not automated
[22:04] <thumper> if you had credentials on the controller
[22:04] <thumper> then IIRC there was a connect command
[22:04] <thumper> either done or planned
[22:04]  * thumper looks
[22:05] <veebers> well this doesn't make sense at all, my initial bisect suggests that 9d4339d (inc to beta2) is good and 9d4339d is the first bad (adding caas unit test bits). How can that break the CMR test 0_0
[22:07] <thumper> magicaltrout: if the controller doesn't have a public cert, there is no easy way to reconnect
[22:07] <thumper> as the client doesn't know the server CA cert
[22:07] <thumper> so there is no client command to do this
[22:08] <magicaltrout> who cares about SSL, GCHQ can crack it anyway.....
[22:08] <magicaltrout> fair enough thumper !
[22:08] <thumper> np
[22:28] <thumper> babbageclunk: got a few minutes?
[22:28] <babbageclunk> thumper: yup - give me 1 min? Just finishing a review.
[22:28] <thumper> ack
[22:32] <babbageclunk> thumper: ok
[22:32] <babbageclunk> in 1:1?
[22:32] <thumper> yeah


[00:17] <zekopeko_> hi
[00:17] <zekopeko_> is there somebody who can edit or bug some one that can edit ubuntu.com?
[01:51] <cjohnston> zekopeko__: whats wrong?
[01:51] <zekopeko__> typo
[01:51] <zekopeko__> big one
[01:52] <zekopeko__> cjohnston, you there?
[01:52] <cjohnston> yes
[01:52] <zekopeko__> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2#Known%20issues
[01:52] <zekopeko__> this line
[01:52] <zekopeko__> sudo nvidia-config
[01:52] <zekopeko__> should be
[01:53] <zekopeko__> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[01:53] <cjohnston> gotcha.. thanks zekopeko__
[01:53] <zekopeko__> props go to a UF member who noticed it
[01:57] <cjohnston> newz2000`: 509436
[01:57] <cjohnston> newz2000`: bug 509436
[01:57] <ubot3> Malone bug 509436 in ubuntu-website "Spelling error on Alpha 2 page" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509436
[14:53] <newz2000`> fixed
[19:52] <cjohnston> thanks newz2000`


[01:31] <ryanakca> mdke: d'you have write access to the wiki themes? bug 253931 has been dragging around for three months...
[01:31] <ubot3> Malone bug 253931 in kubuntu-website "Documentation tab on http://wiki.kubuntu.org/ should be removed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253931
[03:10] <pufuwozu> I really like the http://ubuntu.com/ animations
[06:54] <mdke> ryanakca: no, sorry
[11:59] <tuxice> mpt?
[13:55] <ryanakca> mdke: thanks anyways :)
[13:56] <ryanakca> could you take care of bug 253931 and bug 255390 please?
[13:56] <ryanakca> newz2000: ^^
[13:56] <ubot3> Malone bug 253931 in kubuntu-website "Documentation tab on http://wiki.kubuntu.org/ should be removed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253931
[13:56] <ubot3> ryanakca: Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: The read operation timed out
[13:57] <newz2000> hey ryanakca, sorry I missed what was above, you'd like me to make a change to the wiki theme?
[13:57] <ryanakca> newz2000: please :)
[13:58] <ryanakca> same bugs I emailed you about a few months ago :)
[13:58]  * newz2000 hides in shame
[13:58] <newz2000> let me see if I still have edit permission on the wiki
[13:59] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[14:00] <newz2000> it's not looking good, I might need to file an RT to find out how todo this
[14:01] <ryanakca> Ok, thanks
[15:54] <qense> hello
[17:49] <Turl> newz2000, are you there?
[17:49] <newz2000> hey Turl
[17:49] <newz2000> I'm here
[17:49] <Turl> please, don't put me in a compromise :p
[17:49] <newz2000> what do you mean?
[17:50] <Turl> I received a mail from Kat
[17:50] <newz2000> oh, she's the one I said was so appreciative
[17:50] <Turl> she offered me some merchandise as a token of gratitude
[17:51] <newz2000> Wow, that's nice
[17:51] <newz2000> is there something wrong with that?
[17:51] <Turl> but I don't want to accept it, I don't think it's necessary nor I (I don't know the english word for it) "merecer" it
[17:52] <newz2000> That's fine, there's no shame in saying, "no thanks." I think it's noble.
[17:52] <Turl> ok then :)
[17:52] <Turl> I don't know how to write a "no thanks" letter, but I'll try to do my best :p
[17:54] <newz2000> so you're in Argentina, are you by chance in Beunos Aries? (sorry if I misspelled that)
[17:55] <Turl> nope, not in Buenos Aires
[17:56] <Turl> do you have offices there btw?
[17:56] <newz2000> not quite, there are four people from Canonical there, including one of my favourite web hackers in the company
[17:57] <Turl> :)
[17:57] <Turl> I used to live in BA
[17:57] <Turl> not in the capital city though
[19:08] <mdomsch> greetings
[19:08] <mdomsch> various fedora folks sent me here after there was some interest expressed in mirrormanager
[19:09] <mdomsch> I'm on IRC a good bit, so feel free to grab me anytime to discuss
[19:09] <mdomsch> I'd love for Ubuntu to make use of MM as a download redirector for ISOs
[19:10] <mdomsch> apt doesn't (presently) handle HTTP 30x redirects (seemingly by design) so it'd be harder to use MM to serve as an apt.sources.d/ entry
[19:11] <mdomsch> apt/sources.list.d/ that is
[19:13] <mdomsch> if apt grew the ability to retrieve a list of sources (e.g. a mirrorlist), then MM could easily provide such a list to clients on request.
[19:19] <newz2000> mdomsch: thanks for stopping in
[19:19] <newz2000> I'm very interested in investigating it. I've scheduled some time to meet with the IS team (our infrastructure guys) later on this year to work out possible solutions.
[19:19] <newz2000> We're not quite ready yet but it's something we're starting to think about
[19:20] <mdomsch> newz2000, ok, poke me if you have questions
[19:21] <newz2000> cool, I will
[19:21] <mdomsch> the only real PITA thing about MM is that it needs (at least r/o) access to a copy of the "master" content, however you want to define that
[19:21] <mdomsch> to know what remote mirrors should have
[19:21] <newz2000> oh, interesting
[19:21] <newz2000> we actually have something like that now built into launchpad
[19:22] <newz2000> it probes the mirrors continuously to see that they're up to date
[19:22] <newz2000> and it drops mirrors and brings them back up as appropriate
[19:22] <mdomsch> yep, MM does exactly taht
[19:22] <newz2000> my interest is in making it easier for people to get CDs
[19:22] <newz2000> I feel there are too many choices on the website
[19:23] <newz2000> I love mozilla's. They have everything filled out in advance so if you want the sane option you just click the big button
[19:23] <mdomsch> fedora is moving in that direction too
[19:23] <mdomsch> moving all the advanced user options to another page
[19:24] <mdomsch> bittorrent, various spins, manual mirror selection, ...
[19:24] <newz2000> the manual mirror selection is my next target
[19:24] <mdomsch> metalinks
[19:24] <newz2000> it's challenging because we have a very technical culture and we like to see technical stuff. :-) You know how it is I'm sure.
[19:26] <newz2000> mdomsch: so do you have rules for challenging locales, for example country X has no mirror and has poor international bandwidth unless it goes through Y
[19:26] <mdomsch> yes
[19:26] <newz2000> very interesting
[19:27] <mdomsch> only a few times we use it though
[19:27] <mdomsch> for example, per GeoIP, Israel is part of Asia
[19:27] <mdomsch> but it's connectivity is to Europe
[19:27] <mdomsch> so, we "move" Israel into the Europe continent list
[19:28] <mdomsch> basic algorithm is
[19:28] <mdomsch> 1) do you have a mirror on your local network (IP block)?  If so, use it
[19:28] <mdomsch> 2) do you have a mirror in your country?  If so, use it.
[19:28] <mdomsch> 3) do you have a mirror on your continent?
[19:28] <mdomsch> 4) use a mirror from the global list
[19:29] <mdomsch> for each answer above, randomly return one, weighted by the bandwidth that server has
[19:30] <newz2000> That's about what I'd worked out
[19:30] <newz2000> For a while I tested some ajax based javascript that pre-selected an option using similar rules
[19:30] <newz2000> someone convinced me the rules were way too complex though
[19:31] <newz2000> as in my rules weren't complex enough for reality
[19:31] <mdomsch> 1b) are you a client on Internet2 or another high-speed research/education network?  Try a mirror in your country on same
[19:32] <mdomsch> so students at universities and big labs get their bits over I2
[19:32] <mdomsch> NCREN, RedIRIS, NLR, ...
[19:33] <newz2000> mdomsch: so are you a web guy?
[19:33] <mdomsch> how so?
[19:33] <mdomsch> HTML/CSS, no
[19:33] <mdomsch> JavaScript, no
[19:34] <mdomsch> (my pages aren't very pretty, and what's there I had help with from graphic artists)
[19:34] <mdomsch> http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/
[19:34] <newz2000> I was thinking more along the lines of "interested in the user experience"
[19:37] <newz2000> I like your system. I like that disk image has a single url.
[19:37] <mdomsch> yeah, there are things like that I care a lot about
[19:37] <mdomsch> but artwork - I'm lousy at
[19:38] <newz2000> me too
[19:38] <newz2000> mdomsch: where in the world are you located?
[19:38] <mdomsch> now note - the single URL trick works great, but hitting it you get a HTTP 30x redirect to one of the mirrors
[19:38] <mdomsch> Austin, TX
[19:38] <mdomsch> so your client app has to handle redirects - apt doesn't
[19:39] <newz2000> well, the part I'm interested in is downloading CD images
[19:39] <mdomsch> all download tools I know of handle redirects
[19:39] <mdomsch> browsers, wget, curl, ...
[19:39] <newz2000> indeed
[19:40] <newz2000> I'm in Des Moines Iowa, due north from you. A fellow "central time zone" person
[19:41]  * mdomsch grew up in KC
[19:42] <mdomsch> I've been through Des Moines a lot going to MN
[19:42] <newz2000> it's a small world ;-)
[20:00] <ryanakca> newz2000: you still redoing the layout of the download page?
[20:01] <newz2000> my download page or yours?
[20:01] <ryanakca> newz2000: well, both... you had sent me a penned out mockup and asked for my opinion on it... that one?
[20:02] <newz2000> yes, the ubuntu.com one is done, I did not finish the kubuntu one in time
[20:02] <ryanakca> If you change yours, I'll almost surely change mine so that it matches
[20:02] <newz2000> you should check it out, also I blogged about it
[20:02] <newz2000> http://www.bearfruit.org/blog/2008/10/30/the-new-ubuntu-download-page
[20:03] <newz2000> Yours is easier because you only have two versions (no server)
[20:03] <newz2000> did you see the usability test results on the mailing list from Erik (sent yesterday)?
[20:03] <newz2000> very thought provoking feedback
[20:04]  * ryanakca has fallen behind on *buntu stuff over the past two weeks, need to catch up
[20:04]  * ryanakca fires up mutt
[20:11] <ryanakca> newz2000: I still think you should apply to Ubuntu Members btw :)
[20:11] <newz2000> yes, I should
[20:11] <newz2000> are you an ubuntu member?
[20:12] <ryanakca> newz2000: yes, through kubuntu-members
[20:13] <newz2000> you could blog about my blog post and also about Erik's usability testing. https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2008-October/000475.html
[20:13] <newz2000> it would be interesting to hear broader feedback
[20:13] <newz2000> ah, too bad the formatting of that message was poor
[20:13] <ryanakca> *nods*, will do.
[20:17]  * ryanakca thinks he'll also try to steal mdke's sweet wiki theme and change the colors to suit Kubuntu some time soon, if it hasn't been done already
[20:18] <newz2000> I don't think it's been done
[20:20] <ryanakca> Erik's thread is quite interesting
[20:21]  * ryanakca needs to fix the drupal theme too... it doesn't look it's best in IE6...
[20:21] <ryanakca> anyways, bbiab
[20:21] <newz2000> ttyl
[20:23] <newz2000> wow, pidgin is crashing on me a lot lately
[20:48] <Turl> it used to crash more often in intrepid alphas :p
[20:49] <newz2000> well, improvement is good I guess
[20:50] <Turl> yeah
[20:50]  * Turl tries to set up sendmail
[20:51] <newz2000> yuck, why sendmail?
[20:51] <Turl> erm, it's the best? postfix was too difficult and complicated :p
[20:51] <Turl> also, sendmail works in php afaik
[20:52] <newz2000> they all work with php. postfix and exim are both sendmail compatible
[20:52] <Turl> qmail?
[20:52] <newz2000> I've never used it. When I evaluated it a while back it was non-free
[20:52] <newz2000> (don't know if it is now or not)
[20:52] <Turl> what one would you recommend then? I'm on a debian etch box
[20:53] <newz2000> exim is one of the simplest, but my fav is postfix.
[20:53] <newz2000> sendmail is a major chore to reconfigure with it's m4 files and etc.
[20:53] <Turl> postfix is a pain in the neck :p
[20:53] <newz2000> well, for most tasks postfix installation asks you what type of configuration you want. You choose from a list of about four options and you're done.
[20:54] <Turl> erm, no user login, no tls, ...
[20:54] <newz2000> well, if you get frustrated with sendmail then maybe try exim. It is probably the simplest out there.
[20:55] <Turl> I just need something simple, php compatible that works with vBulletin and it's easy to configure and (not obligation) has a webmin module
[20:55] <Turl> and sends mail (no need to receive)
[20:55] <newz2000> ah, if you're using webmin then sendmail will be OK since it hides the gory details
[20:57] <newz2000> I'm running windows in a virtual machine (for web testing) and I think it's locked up and taken one of my virtual desktops with it. :-/
[20:57] <Turl> :p using seamless aren't you?
[20:57] <newz2000> yes
[20:58] <Turl> press host key + s
[20:58] <Turl> iirc it should make windows a window :p
[20:58]  * newz2000 tries
[20:59] <newz2000> its really frozen. The only thing that works is blindly clicking until you hit the workspace picker applet to get to a diff desktop
[21:01] <Turl> hostk + f ?
[21:01] <newz2000> I don't think the window is responding to any keyboard shortcuts.
[21:01] <Turl> if it doesn't work then the best solution is change desktop, run a console, sudo htop and kill all those virtualboxes
[21:02] <newz2000> ah
[21:02] <newz2000> computer is happy now. ;-)
[21:03] <Turl> beware your windows might break :p (well, there's always the possibility heh, even if idle)
[21:04] <Turl> :/ webmin crashed or sth :S


[08:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[08:33] <diplo> Morning all
[08:33] <diplo> Even after discussing reboots, still forgot to logout of my irssi session yesterday :D
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning
[08:41] <SuperMatt> morning
[11:31] <foobarry> this chan is down to about 10 active users now :(
[11:32] <SuperMatt> maybe we should all move to discord
[11:32] <foobarry> people went somewhere.
[11:33] <SuperMatt> People just don't want to use irc any more
[11:33] <foobarry> is there ubuntu community anymore?
[11:33] <SuperMatt> I think so
[11:33] <foobarry> where?
[11:33] <Gargoyle> I've been on and off IRC for years, I think it's really slowed in the last 2!
[11:33] <SuperMatt> The thing is, unless you run a server, you don't have a permanent connection to IRC, so you miss all the messages while you're offline
[11:34] <Gargoyle> That's not always a bad thing! :)
[11:34] <foobarry> slack provided a lot of features irc should have done 5 yrs ago
[11:34] <foobarry> i realise its not so open, so OSS projects won't move there.
[11:34] <SuperMatt> true that
[11:35] <foobarry> but the u-uk ppl must have gone somewhere
[11:35] <foobarry> or did mid-life just happen to them?
[11:37] <Seeker> I still lurk
[11:38] <SuperMatt> probs midlife
[11:39] <Gargoyle> There's nothing like a baby to sap away any free time you had.
[11:39] <foobarry> and your brain cells
[11:40]  * Gargoyle nods
[11:40] <foobarry> i also think , people get new jobs, change of scene, forget to sign in, then never go back
[11:40] <foobarry> a lot used to lurk as a way to get in touch. now there's twitter/whatsapp
[11:41] <foobarry> but the u-uk podcast ppl used to be active in here , which isn't true anymore
[12:08] <diddledan> the ubuntu podcast telegram is active with a few folk. that's mostly where popey is these days
[12:08] <foobarry> i haven't used telegram
[12:08] <popey> [FACT]
[12:08] <foobarry> is it a phone only thing?
[12:08] <popey> no.
[12:09] <foobarry> is it like whatsapp?
[12:09] <foobarry> what's the uupc channel?
[12:09] <SuperMatt> Would there be much scope in Ubuntu having a discord or slack channel
[12:10] <popey> Ubuntu has a discord
[12:10] <popey> and slack
[12:10] <foobarry> community chat or support?
[12:10] <SuperMatt> Are they more active than irc?
[12:10] <popey> depends which one you're asking about. :)
[12:11] <SuperMatt> either/or
[12:11] <popey> slack, no. there are more topic based slacks
[12:11] <popey> the ubuntu slack isn't used at all.
[12:11] <popey> the ubuntu discord is lightly used.
[12:11] <foobarry> seems i need to install telegram on android before signing up
[12:11] <diddledan> AI analysed the hitchhikers' guide and this was the intuited response: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/j8QR41o5/image.png
[12:12] <popey> telegram is indeed mobile first,
[12:12] <popey> telegram is way more active for me. I am in a ton of them, and use it as a primary means of comms for lots of things
[12:12] <popey> slack, I am in about 20 slacks, of which only 5 are active
[12:12] <foobarry> can u suggest some useful telgram chans pls? i'll try it out
[12:12] <popey> https://ubuntupodcast.org/telegram
[12:13] <diddledan> ^ +1
[12:13] <foobarry> 655 members :o
[12:13] <popey> :)
[12:13] <popey> most are silent lurkers
[12:13] <foobarry> the new irc
[12:13] <diddledan> effin lurkers
[12:13] <popey> I lurk in the elementary os slack, bad voltage slack and some others
[12:14] <diddledan> ooh, I'm not in bad voltage
[12:14] <popey> I have one entire screen dedicated to irc, slack and telegram
[12:14] <diddledan> haha
[12:14] <diddledan> that's where you need a tiling window manager for that screen
[12:15] <popey> I just use CTRL+ALT+ numkeys to make Unity push them to the corners
[12:15] <diddledan> :-o
[12:18] <foobarry> weirdly didn't show up on global search. invite via the url only
[12:18] <diddledan> yeah
[12:18] <foobarry> didnt stop 656 people from finding it thuogh
[12:21] <popey> most found it via the invite url
[12:21] <popey> that we mention on the podcast and link to on the web page
[12:21] <popey> we have to be careful because spammers find it, and join
[12:22] <diddledan> and those bloomin iranis
[14:39] <diplo> You guys in the BV channel? popey / diddledan - if so, someone want to invite me ?
[14:39] <diddledan> not I :-(
[14:39] <popey> pm me your email address and I will
[14:39] <diplo> Ah is it email :) two secs
[14:39] <popey> for slack, yeah
[14:39]  * diplo remembers PM on irssi :D
[14:40] <diplo> Ah it's only slack is it, thought they had a telegram channel
[14:40] <popey> they did, but nobody wanted that, so we used slack
[14:40] <diddledan> why can't everyone settle on just one system?!
[14:40] <diplo> Ah ok, shall sign up to slack, kept away until now, but won't hurt
[14:40] <diplo> diddledan: IRC!?!?
[14:40] <diplo> :D
[14:41] <popey> https://community.badvoltage.org/t/realtime-chat-with-bad-voltage-listeners/11443/32?u=popey
[14:41] <popey> thats how you join it
[14:41] <popey> https://badvoltage-slack.herokuapp.com/ is the direct link
[15:24] <severnfold> sup guys
[16:04] <diddledan> so, erm, daftykins .. yaknow how I said my thunderbolt only worked once I'd taken out the nvme. Well I did a firmware update on it to be sure it has the latest while I had it going, but now I've put everything back into PCIe (gfx + NVMe) it STILL BLOOMIN WORKS!!
[16:04] <diddledan> did the firmware fix it or was it just removing and reconnecting everything that fixed it?!
[16:05] <diddledan> .. or will it break again once I've boobed loonicks?!
[17:47] <daftykins> diddledan: did think it a bit odd, you mean mobo BIOS or SSD firmware?
[17:47] <diddledan> thunderbolt firmware
[17:47] <daftykins> oic
[17:48] <diddledan> it's definitely still working in Windows with all the hardware back in place where it was previously when it was broke
[17:50] <daftykins> blame Cana... Loonix then, yesh!
[17:50]  * diddledan will tentatively reboob into loonix. brb
[17:52] <diddledan> ok. let's see what lspci says
[17:53] <daftykins> goodness me at the bit on Radio 2 at mid-day going on about Guernsey considering allowing assisted suicide
[17:53] <diddledan> still working here too
[17:54] <diddledan> mystery
[17:54] <daftykins> honestly i've seen so many updates to the BIOSs and firmware on my machines that have thunderbolt, not surprised there were some kinks to work out
[20:28] <diplo> evening all
[20:28] <diplo> Any of you guys use hosted phone systems - IE only handsets on desk, they talk to the hosted service directly ?
[20:57] <daftykins> not quite, but i did set up FreePBX at home and bought an old Linksys SPA3102 to convert my PSTN line into a full voicemail and IP phone driven setup
[20:58] <daftykins> also planning on putting one in for a client so they can have free voice calls between their 3 properties, that'd only need to be internal extensions though, no proper VoIP service
[21:00] <diplo> I'm going to do freepbx at home at somepoint
[21:01] <diplo> Got a customer who can't get a display working, the "technical team" basically don't have a clue and say follow this guide, well the guides wrong :P
[21:07] <daftykins> heh :D
[21:07] <daftykins> when in doubt, factory reset \o/
[21:15] <diplo> Basically the issue is, if anyone comes along, the phones work, but caller display doesn't work, I said what port does that use, they have no idea, they want me to forward all ports, these are 80/443 to the phones internally
[21:15] <diplo> I've nmapped the network, I've been told to open 5080/TCP, but that's closed on the phones, 5060/TCP is open, so hoping that is the fix
[21:17] <daftykins> hmm mine are able to display the called passed along to the single SIP port from the FreePBX host, must be totally different
[21:19] <diplo> I think the technical team are just how to tinker with the phone, not how to set up routers, he was trying to not blame me whilst blaming me, yet not giving any answers :)
[21:20] <diplo> I'll do as they ask and then it's on them
[21:23] <daftykins> :D
[21:23] <daftykins> sounds like a plan
[22:47] <diddledan> the great thing about a VoIP setup is you can record every call :-p
[22:47] <diddledan> (easier)
[22:48] <daftykins> :)
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> and this m'lud is the recording od diddledan when he ordered 30 rottweilers to be delivered forgetting he had signed up to amazon door service... :-P
[22:51] <daftykins> xD
[22:56] <diddledan> the cats in the second delivery were a mistake
[22:57] <daftykins> the victor shall be crowned #1 pet
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> arriving home 2 weeks later with a pepperoni pizza was the mistake...
[23:06] <diddledan> my 7 year old nephew is currently in France on a skiing holiday. The videos his dad keeps sharing on Facebook scare the bajeebers out of me every time
[23:07] <daftykins> cor yeah, fancy using facebook (:
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> been chased down the ski slope by a giant yeti?!! :-)
[23:07] <diddledan> no they left me here


[16:17] <daftykins> ¬_¬
[16:22] <OerHeks> mayyyybe,...
[16:22] <OerHeks> Yes, it is out man, wake up, rise and shine !
[16:42] <ki7mt> We are still rising and shining from the release party .. my head is still a bit cloudy :-)
[16:43] <daftykins> XD
[20:26] <MonkeyDust> i quickly return to ubuntu-mate, much swifter than unity
[20:28] <daftykins> ;)
[20:45] <MonkeyDust> in 15.04, that is
[21:53] <daftykins> < Guest26881> daftykins madaret jendast?
[21:53] <daftykins> i wonder what that meant


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[18:46] <ubotu> New bug: #197722 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[Hardy, intel-video-driver] X Crashes frecuently and system freezes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197722
[19:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183913 in xorg (main) "320x240 screen mode not supported" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183913
[20:05] <superm1> hey bryce i had some follow up info to your original concerns bout whats going to happen if everything gets locked down digital
[20:06] <superm1> you should take a look through this thread
[20:06] <superm1> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/319444
[20:57] <twb> My VIA Unichrome card is detected wrong by Hardy 8.04a5.  Here's the fix: sed --in-place "/11063344/d" "/usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/via.ids"
[20:58] <twb> (That PCI ID is in both via.ids and unichrome.ids, and so xorg uses via, which results in a "no screens found".)
[21:04] <bryce> superm1: cool thanks
[21:04] <superm1> bryce, yeah that will be a very exciting time if we really have support for it :)
[21:04] <superm1> i don't think i'd care it being analog at that point
[21:14] <tjaalton> twb: the server should always use openchrome..
[21:15] <tjaalton> twb: oh you mentioned unichrome
[21:15] <bryce> superm1: hmm, I might be misunderstanding, but this sounds like it's just a PBS HD show, but PBS doesn't encrypt their stuff
[21:15] <twb> Shrug.
[21:16] <twb> All I know is that, unmodified, the livecd tries to use via, fails, and then GDM pops up a "pick a drive, chum" dialog using vesa.
[21:16] <twb> And that blatting that line from via.ids makes it all Just Work, and GNOME comes up straightaway.
[21:17] <twb> I also note that xorg.conf contains no driver "foo" entry in the Device section, which is different to Gutsy and suchlike.
[21:17] <tjaalton> yes
[21:17] <tjaalton> twb: file a bug so it's not forgotten
[21:17] <twb> Too hard.
[21:18] <tjaalton> ok then
[21:18] <twb> I'll maintain my own patches until it shows up in Debian, where I can use reportbug.
[21:27] <ubotu> New bug: #197764 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Compiz fails to launch with Intel 965GM on Thinkpad X61s" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197764
[21:44] <superm1> bryce, well that device captures analog HD
[21:44] <superm1> and encodes it to x264
[21:44] <superm1> twb, you can use reportbug in Ubuntu
[21:45] <twb> superm1: last time I checked, it sent mail to a subscriber-only mailing list... ubuntu-users, IIRC.
[21:45] <superm1> twb, there's also a launchpad email interface
[21:45] <twb> I know.
[21:46] <twb> I don't wish to discuss it.
[21:46] <twb> We'll just end up shouting at one another.
[21:46] <superm1> er okay
[21:50] <tjaalton> twb: so you just assume that we'd fix that right away?
[21:53] <twb> No.
[21:54] <twb> I'm reporting it here, which is easy for me to do.  Whether you choose to do anything is entirely up to you.
[22:15] <bryce> twn, sorry, the procedure for X bug reporting is to use Launchpad.  That makes it possible to contact you if more information is needed, and to notify you of fixes to test.  If you choose not to file a bug report, that is your prerogative but it is unlikely your issue will be investigated, as we have ample bug reports that *have* followed the procedure.
[22:15] <twb> Understood.
[23:36] <ubotu> New bug: #177786 in xserver-xorg-video-v4l (main) "PWC Webcam (Logitech Quickcam Orbit/Sphere) does not work well in Gutsy but worked in Feisty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177786
[23:48] <ubotu> New bug: #197681 in xorg (main) "cannot display this video mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197681


[18:07] <AnAnt> Hello, please look at LP #491784 , someone said that there might be a patch upstream
[18:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 491784 in libbasicplayer-java (Ubuntu) "Sound does not work with openjdk (affects: 1) (heat: 19)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/491784


[19:58]  * Eickmeyer would like to announce the newest Ubuntu Core Developer: teward!
[19:58] <Eickmeyer> Everyone, shower teward with coffee.
[19:58] <teward> but not TOO much coffee.  I need to watch my blood pressure :)
[19:58] <Eickmeyer> Psh, that's why I take Lisinopril. :P
[19:58] <teward> because you drink too much coffee?  xD
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> Haha, high blood pressure problems to begin with, really genetic.
[19:59]  * Eickmeyer has to go spend time with his son on his first day of summer break, and replace the display in his main laptop
[20:16]  * OvenWerks waves a welcome
[20:16] <OvenWerks> o/
[20:34] <M_aD> congrats teward
 thanks M_aD
 Eickmeyer already sent me a list of things for consideration  lol xD
 barely been coredev a couple of hours and already Eickmeyer wants me to sponsor things LOL
[21:26] <OvenWerks> teward001: That is probably our weakest spot.
 indeed, as Eickmeyer has indicated.  Nobody has upload rights for many of the packages in the team, so it's all been find a sponsor, get sponsored, get addressed
 and its hindered dev AIUI
[21:29] <OvenWerks> Studio was pretty much static for a few years... including last lts :P
 yeah I read through the discussion materials but did help get something poked for review quickly for Eickmeyer
 advantage of being a persistent annoying person sometimes ;)
 I do have a few things I need to upload though.  NGINX distropatch to handle a pidfile problem, and some dependency problem SRUs for some Universe packages I use but :)
 after that I have some time to review a few things.
[21:32] <OvenWerks> I need to pick up where I left off with Ardour for a while. I have almost forgotten what I was working on...
[21:37] <Eickmeyer> teward: Well, thanks for everthing you've done and are doing.
[21:38]  * Eickmeyer just got his main laptop back... new display. IPS now as opposed to TFT.
[21:39] <OvenWerks> working instead of broken... all that matters ;)
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> Haha, indeed.
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> Just need to calibrate the screen. The colors seem a bit... off.
[21:41] <OvenWerks> colours? I thought there were only two colours, green and black.
[21:43] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks, TIL you still live in 1982
[21:46] <OvenWerks> Actually my terminal was yellow on black... Ampex or something. I used as server display till it quit (finally) about 2 years ago. I think it was 86ish If I remember correctly, but it may have been older. I think it replaced the older ones.
[21:47] <Eickmeyer> Actually, that's impressive.