[00:01] <mib_hku7zs1f> Can an applet that is compiled on a 64bit open in a 32bit ?
[04:55] <david_yu> has there been a java project being packaged by debian that was built by maven?
[04:57] <david_yu> we are trying get jetty6 have an official debian/ubuntu release
[05:34] <persia> There's been a lot of discussion about maven.  Last I knew it wasn't quite ready to be used to build packages.
[05:35] <persia> Most of the work on this has been happening in Debian.
[05:36] <persia> Seems I'm out of date.  See http://wiki.debian.org/Java/MavenBuilder
[05:36] <persia> And http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425152 is probably of most direct interest
[06:54] <david_yu> thanks ... so basically, there has not been any maven-based java projects out there that has been packaged by debian
[06:56] <persia> Not as such.
[06:56] <persia> Or rather, not packaged normally.
[06:56] <persia> There's a means by which freely redistributable binary blobs can be distributed alongside Debian, and some of those are also distributed in Ubuntu's multiverse component.
[06:57] <persia> This mechanism has been used in the past for distributing the results of a build, but it's neither typical packaging nor generally considered optimal.
[06:58] <persia> I'd suggest that if you're working on jetty, you contact Tormod.  He's probably the most knowledgeable about the current state of things, and how that affects Jetty.
[06:58] <persia> Once the remaining issues are resolved, Ubuntu would prefer to just sync.
[06:59] <david_yu> persia: hmm, so u mean debian accepts pre-built jars and just package it? or do they require that they build the whole project itself?
[07:00] <persia> For proper inclusion, it is required that everything be built from source.
[07:00] <persia> There's a means to distribute other bits (e.g. firmware), which has been abused in the past to work around issues with Java.
[07:01] <persia> If at all possible, I recommend trying to get it done the normal way.
[07:02] <david_yu> persia: if we could provide them our pom.xml files that they can build for themselves (using maven) and generate the debs (using maven), would they accept that?
[07:03] <david_yu> since I've noticed most packages I've seen are built with ant ... if they dont have a problem building with maven, that would work
[07:04] <persia> david_yu, Um.  Could you more explicitly define "we" and "them" in that sentence?
[07:04] <david_yu> persia: we as in the jetty devs, and them as in the uploaders
[07:04] <persia> OK.
[07:05] <persia> I don't even think it's quite that much.  I think it's that there might be some issues with building everything (with maven) from within Debian.
[07:06] <ttx> persia: What was the question ?
[07:06] <persia> And I still think that your best path is to chat with Tormod.  I know he's been trying to build jetty, and a closer relationship between you and he would likely determine any remaining issues in short order.
[07:06] <david_yu> ah, where do I reach him?
[07:06] <persia> ttx, david_yu> persia: if we could provide them our pom.xml files that they can build for themselves (using maven) and generate the debs (using maven), would they accept that?
[07:07] <ttx> david_yu, persia: Torsten Werner was working on Maven support with the final objective of packaging Jetty6 with it
[07:07] <persia> ttx, Right.
[07:07] <persia> Ah, darn.  I hate it when I misremember names.
[07:08]  * ttx looks up email address
[07:08] <persia> david_yu, I'd recommend email right now.  He doesn't seem to be in #debian-java@OFTC right now.
[07:09] <ttx> david_yu: see pm
[07:10] <david_yu> ttx: yea I saw his attempt to build jetty... I actually sent him a mail 3 days ago
[07:10] <ttx> http://wiki.debian.org/Java/MavenBuilder tracks his progress
[07:10] <persia> Well, and Debian bug 425152
[07:11] <persia> But he's really the best person to chat with about it.
[07:11] <david_yu> hopefully he's not too busy, sent him mail 3 days ago
[07:12] <ttx> david_yu: iirc the key issue was getting all the dependencies properly packaged
[07:12] <ttx> since we cannot use maven to /just/ provide them
[07:13] <ttx> david_yu: anyway, I am very much interested in getting jetty6 somewhere, so if I can act as facilitator somewhere, let me know
[07:14] <david_yu> actually with jetty6, the 3rd party dependencies are: slf4j (core), ant(jsp), eclipse-compiler(jsp) ... everything else are jetty modules
[07:15] <ttx> david_yu: it's not reasonable to try to emulate the build process using a simple ant build.xml ? That would remove the complexity of using maven on our build system from the equation
[07:15] <david_yu> so like when maven downloads the other depenencies, they are build-time dependencies, but not runtime dependencies
[07:15] <ttx> david_yu: unfortunately we need to package the build deps as well :)
[07:16] <david_yu> ttx: hmm, why is that ... most of them are maven-plugins required for build ... and junit
[07:16] <ttx> david_yu: then they should all be packaged already, good
[07:17] <ttx> (in Debian, maybe not synced to Ubuntu yet)
[07:18] <persia> One factor that may be important to note is that the buildds don't have network access, which is part of why we have to take special care, because maven can't download anything, so has to be convinced it's already present.
[07:19] <ttx> and you cannot install anything else on the buildds than packaged build dependencies.
[07:21] <ttx> david_yu: you can cc me on future emails with Torsten. At one point if it's a question of disponibility I might be able to stand in for him.
[07:21] <david_yu> persia: hmm, could we provide an initial repo(temporary ... just for the maven-plugins required along the way)?
[07:22] <persia> david_yu, If you'd like to help get the plugins packaged, that'd be great.
[07:22] <david_yu> yea I'd like to help
[07:22] <persia> I don't think it's best to try to hack around packaging them: that just increases the chance of some integration issue once they are packaged.
[07:23] <ttx> david_yu: basically we have been trying to make maven-built things compatible with our build-daemons for some time
[07:24] <ttx> david_yu: the initial Ubuntu spec was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Specs/MavenSupportSpec
[07:24] <persia> So, based on the Plans on the Debian wiki page, I think building agreement on http://wiki.debian.org/Java/MavenRepoSpec is probably the next step.
[07:24] <ttx> it outlines the challenges and proposes a solution
[07:24] <ttx> but Torsten went faster with his solution
[07:25] <persia> And then adding the hooks to all the required libraries.
[07:25] <ttx> MavenRepoSpec and MavenBuilder
[07:25] <ttx> so we met in Berlin to discuss convergence and agreed that he was on the right track
[07:26] <ttx> david_yu: what TZ are you in ?
[07:27] <david_yu> +8
[07:27] <ttx> hm, that doesn't help to join our #ubuntu-java meetings, unless we don't sleep, like persia
[07:28] <ttx> unless you don't sleep, I mean
[07:29] <david_yu> what time (GMT) do the meetings start?
[07:33] <ttx> 1400
[07:33] <ttx> but we could move the time. It's not as if so much people came in
[15:11] <ttx> persia: no meeting this week ?
[15:11] <persia> Yes, I'm just not paying enough attention to the clock :/
[18:57] <astromme> Hi all. I've got a question about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano-backend-sesame/+bug/334186
[18:58] <astromme> It looks like all that needs to happen is a symlink to /usr/lib/libjvm.so
[18:58] <astromme> Is that something that could happen for a Jaunty SRU? ScottK pointed me here
[18:59] <astromme> The bug currently prevents Soprano and Strigi (A pillar of kde, part of the search framework) from working at all with the java backend.
[18:59] <persia> Glah.  Native libraries suck.
[18:59] <astromme> And the java backend is needed for anything resembling decent performance
[19:00] <persia> Right.
[19:00] <astromme> One of the comments on the bug report said that this is something that update-java-alternatives should probably be setting this symlink
[19:00] <persia> I'm not sure which of the fixes is the right one, unfortunately.
[19:01] <astromme> :(
[19:01] <persia> There's a fairly good argument that nothing should use /usr/lib/libjvm.so directly, because there's no promise the ABI is constant for different implementations.
[19:01] <persia> Which would make this a bug in the way that soprano-backend-sesame was built.
[19:02] <astromme> It looks like a symlink from $JAVA_HOME/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so to /usr/lib/libjvm.so is what is needed
[19:02] <astromme> persia: hmm, interesting
[19:02] <astromme> but wait... then why are there headers for libjvm.so and why can things be built against it?
[19:03] <astromme> and what would be the 'correct' way? (I'm a true java packaging/library newb)
[19:03] <persia> Well, see, one builds against the .so and headers, and *should* end up linked against some specific implementation with a known ABI (e.g. libfoo.so.3.4.1)
[19:03] <persia> But that's in C.
[19:04] <astromme> persia: but java has many implementations
[19:04] <astromme> and you don't know which will be installed
[19:04] <persia> Right, which makes it tricky to know how to deal with something like this.
[19:04] <astromme> how do other java apps do this?
[19:04] <astromme> s/java apps/things that link against java libs/
[19:04] <persia> 99% of java applications don't need to access libraries directly.
[19:05] <persia> Nearly nothing does, and arguably nothing should, except for JVM implementations.
[19:05] <persia> In an ideal world, each library that isn't written in Java provides Java bindings that link against the specific implementation.
[19:06] <persia> Then the JVM just runs itself, java apps, and the bindings glue.
[19:07] <persia> This looks like an extra-special case.
[19:08] <persia> Personally, I think that it ought link directly to openjdk's implementation, and depend on openjre, rather than on java2-runtime, but that's clearly not ideal.
[19:09] <persia> The risk of doing it any other way is that since it builds against openjdk, if someone has another implementation, we can't know it's ABI-compatible (since I don't think it must be for Java compliance)
[19:10] <persia> Of course, my knowledge of this corner of stuff isn't very deep, as it's the part of Java that I hide from the most.  I prefer pure-java apps and libraries.
[19:12] <astromme> persia: ok, I think I understand
[19:12] <astromme> persia: this is something that really hurts kde users who want desktop search
[19:13] <persia> astromme, Then it needs fixing.  How do you think it ought be fixed?
[19:13] <astromme> because the only way around it is to symlink manually (and of course that assumes an abi)
[19:13] <persia> Or hack ld.conf, which comes to the same thing.
[19:13] <astromme> true
[19:13] <persia> Or change the build instructions for the package, and rebuild to hardlink against openjdk (which means that people can't use it with Sun Java)
[19:14] <astromme> persia: For the Karmic cycle it is likely that soprano will move to a c++ library called virtuoso by default, which means this may not be as important after Jaunty
[19:14] <astromme> persia: Is java updated to be an abi break during the Jaunty update cycle?
[19:14] <astromme> persia: if not, I would suggest doing the symlink/ld.conf
[19:15] <astromme> (after testing it using openjvm, sun jvm)
[19:15] <persia> astromme, Would you mind testing that against all Java implementations in jaunty?
[19:15] <persia> If it happens to work with all of them, I'm happy with that solution.
[19:15] <persia> If it only works with some of them, then I think that's not complete
[19:15] <persia> (and only worry about java2-runtime providers: we don't care about the others, because they wouldn't satisfy the dependencies anyway)
[19:19] <astromme> persia: sure, I would test against all of them. Other than openjvm and sun java, what are the others?
[19:20] <persia> astromme, `aptitude show java2-runtime` should give you the list.
[19:20] <persia> It's basically openJDK, 2 versions of Sun java, and GCJ.
[19:41] <astromme> persia: I assume 'default-jre' is a metapackage?
[19:42] <persia> No, it's an actual package, with some bits here and there, but it doesn't contain a JVM implementation.
[19:42] <persia> It depends on different implementations for different architectures though.
[19:42] <persia> So, extra points if you also test against cacao :)
[19:43]  * astromme has never even heard of cacao! :P
[19:44] <persia> http://www.cacaovm.org/
[19:44] <astromme> So my plan would be purge old package, install new one, start all the daemons/etc fresh, test basic features (if it failed it would fail from the starting of the binary, right?), do a checkoff?
[19:44] <persia> Right.
[19:44] <persia> Install your package.
[19:45] <persia> Install a JVM
[19:45] <persia> make the symlink
[19:45] <persia> run it.
[19:45] <persia> purge the JVM, and install the next
[19:45] <persia> make the (different) symlink.
[19:45] <persia> run it.
[19:45] <persia> etc.
[19:45] <persia> To test cacao I think you need powerpc.
[19:45] <astromme> persia: if you can belive it, I had a Jaunty running powerpc until last week
[19:46] <astromme> we have a bunch of G5s here
[19:46] <astromme> Sadly it got reverted to osx. No nvidia drivers, meh
[19:46] <persia> Cool!  It'd be lovely if you could test with cacao, as it's one of the less well tested JVMs, and I know that powerpc has a kubuntu userbase.
[19:47] <persia> pity.
[19:53] <astromme> truely is
[19:53] <astromme> the machine ran great
[19:53] <astromme> just that silly video card
[19:53] <astromme> (we need the machine as a media center, more or less)
[19:55] <persia> Oh well.  For extra points, find someone who can test that case :)
[19:55] <astromme> ok
[19:55] <astromme> I'll see what I can do
[19:55] <astromme> I wonder if a livecd would be enough...
[19:55] <persia> But I suspect the package doesn't even build properly for architectures that don't have openjdk, so it probably doesn't matter that much.
[19:57] <persia> Nevermind.  Looks like openjdk on powerpc does work to some degree.
[19:57] <astromme> hmm, interesting
[19:57] <astromme> Uh oh.... starting the server, terminate called after throwing an instance of 'CLuceneError'
[19:58] <astromme> I wonder if that has any relation to the java stuff
[19:58]  * astromme doesn't know how it all fits together really
[19:59] <persia> astromme, So it worked with openJDK, and failed with the next JVM?
[19:59] <astromme> persia: that might just be my fault, I'm restarting my session. And it might be something else. It *looks* like it loaded the library correctly
[19:59] <astromme> (Soprano::PluginManager) loaded plugin from "/usr/lib/soprano/libsoprano_sesame2backend.so"
[20:00] <astromme> sesame2backend.so sesame2 is the java component that it uses
[20:00] <persia> Right, but that indicates that it loaded that library.  The trick is when that library actually makes a call to java.
[20:00] <persia> Or rather to libjvm.so
[20:00] <astromme> hmm, ok
[20:00] <astromme> well let me see
[20:01] <persia> If the entry points don't match then it crashes (or executes something unexpected if you're particularly unlucky)
[20:02] <astromme> ok
[20:02] <astromme> Well, it appears to be indexing, which is a good sign
[20:02]  * astromme tries a search
[20:03] <astromme> It found some music files, this is looking like it is working
[20:06] <astromme> Nepomuk is eating ram as usual.... lol they really need to figure out if the ram usage is a: reasonable and b: worth it
[20:08] <persia> That's encouraging.  I don't suppose one of the ones you tried was gcj?
[20:09] <astromme> persia: not yet, the sun and openjdk
[20:09] <persia> They share some code history, which makes it easier that they match :)
[20:12]  * astromme is on stage 3 of four, sun-java6-jre
[20:28] <astromme> persia: bad news bears... We might have problems with gcj
[20:28] <astromme> the nepomuk search process just hung on me
[20:29] <persia> That was the reason I feared this might not be the right solution.
[20:30] <persia> At least it makes it easier to fix, because it's only the one package that needs updating and testing, rather than the fuss involved in an update to how the JVM shared libaries are coordinated between JVMs.
[20:30] <persia> So, just change the build in such a way that the link is against the real location, rather than /usr/lib/libjvm.so
[20:31] <persia> And have the package depend on the openjdk jre, rather than java2-runtime
[20:32] <astromme> this is curios... now it is working
[20:32] <astromme> curious*
[20:32] <astromme> Hmm, ok, I suppose that would work
[20:32] <astromme> especially if we know it does work with one specific java implementation
[20:33] <astromme> wow, gcj is much slower, at least it seems so
[20:34] <persia> gcj is much slower when running java bytecode.  Many gcj users prefer to compile java to native code.
[20:35] <astromme> interesting
[20:39] <astromme> persia: ok, I need your suggestion. It appears to work on all 4 java2-runtime providing-packges. I had a bit of instability with gcj, but that could have just as easily been nepomuk doing its "I'm going to hang" dance that it likes to do
[20:40] <astromme> Should we do the symlink?
[20:40] <astromme> Or should I run off to find whoever maintains the sesame2 package to get them to change how it is built
[20:41] <persia> astromme, You tell me which you think is less work for you (as you'll be the person who chases it, or so I guess from your interest).
[20:42] <persia> I can't upload the fixes for either solution.
[20:42] <persia> I'm not happy with the situation existing, but I'm not sure which solution is less bad.
[20:42] <astromme> hmm
[20:43] <persia> The real fix would be for the package not to link against that, but that's not going to happen in an SRU, because it would require massive code changes.
[20:44] <astromme> persia: I would go for option 1, symlink. My only worry is that would this give others a 'conceptual license' to exhibit the same bad behavior?
[20:45] <astromme> and if I understand it correctly, "symlink" can be replaced with "ld.conf change" and would result in the same thing?
[20:45] <astromme> how would this affect apps that linked against a specific (say openjvm) libjvm.so? Could they potentially get screwed up?
[20:49] <persia> Umm, maybe?
[20:49] <persia> I don't know how ld works well enough to answer that.
[20:56] <astromme> persia: Ok. Thank you for all of your help. Where would I go to move this further towards people who can actually make the change?
[20:57] <persia> I'd start by documenting the results in the bug.
[20:57] <persia> Then, I'd prepare a debdiff for any packages you want to change to fix it, and generally follow the guidelines for SRU
[20:57] <persia> !sru
[20:58] <persia> When you get to the upload point, find a sponsor using one of the sponsoring queues.
[20:58] <persia> And I'm fairly certain the sponsoring will get bounced about until someone who understands the problem well enough gets it.
[21:02] <astromme> persia: ok, yikes sounds involved :P
[21:02] <persia> Well, yeah.
[21:02]  * astromme is just a humble kde dev, he hasn't messed with packages.
[21:02] <astromme> But I understand the critical situation
[21:02] <persia> Oh, in that case, grab someone in kubuntu-devel to help you out.
[21:02] <astromme> I will, I came from there originally
[21:02] <persia> I know :)
[21:03] <persia> I'm hoping my explanations can help describe the issue better.
[21:03] <astromme> But not now, I've got other work :)
[21:03] <astromme> And I also understand how updates have to be taken very seriously, it is not good to break things in a release distro... not good at all
[21:03] <persia> Truth be told, the symlink solution scares me, largely because we rely so heavily on Debian to decide if things like that are safe.
[21:04] <astromme> That's true, I kept mulling it over
[21:04] <persia> And I'm just not sure the hack-the-build-to-force-openjdk is right either.
[21:04] <astromme> And in theory if something is packaged internally to a libjvm.so it could find (wrongly) /usr/lib/libjvm.so
[21:04] <astromme> which could cause bad bad problems if these things aren't ABI compat
[21:05] <astromme> well, that's the reason why we have multiple java implementations in the first place... so we don't depend on one single one
[21:07] <astromme> In any case, I'm out for now. Thanks persia, I will likely be back for more advice :)
[21:08] <persia> Happy to help to my limited ability :)


 wxl: sudo lxc launch ubuntu:20.04 first
 so?
 Error: Failed instance creation: The requested image couldn't be found
 how should I pass the iso of 20.04?
 lxc launch ubuntu-daily:20.04 YOURNAMEHERE
 thanks!
 that should get you a daily for focal ^
 all of that should be made with sudo right?
 if you add yourself to the lxd group you don't need sudo.
 ok, but the caontainers are systemwide or userwide?
 I'm not sure I follow your question.
 the new container I create is for my user or for any user in my machine?
 Any user that has the lxd group.
 ok, you know where the "image" is stored? shouldn't be in ~ then.
 Offhand I don't know but I think they are in /car for some reason.
 oh not that
[21:27] <wxl> @HMollerCl as it turns out @kc2bez is on the right track. you'll find everything in the /var/lib/lxd folder.
[21:28] <kc2bez> Autocorrect murdered my reply.


 Just an update so it may be of use to somebody. In my experience autologin and passwordless login are not same. I was looking for autologin at boot and able to do so by editing /etc/sddm.conf. I added following.
 `[Autologin]
   User=me
   Session=Lubuntu`.
 If we create nopasswdlogin group and add our user to it, it does not auto login on boot. It just lets us login without entering password. (re @saivinob: Hi, can we have passwordless/autologin for users created later? I think there would be nopasswdlogin group which I don't see in 'Users and Groups'.)
 How to get user switching to work in Lubuntu? If I click on 'New Login', it says gdmflexiserver not found. Does anybody know sddm's user-switch command?
[06:39] <guiverc> I can't help... xubuntu have testing for other users in their QA so I've done that.... we had issues in focal with a couple (2 or 3) users who had machines used by multipe people, so I recall a (not great) work around for something but too long ago I forget sorry
 Np. There is setting newLoginCommand that we can use but don't know what to use for sddm. E.g. for dm-tool that is newLoginCommand: dm-tool switch-to-greeter (as per arch wiki). Tried online but can't find (so far). Will keep trying.
 I don't think we have been able to get that to work. There was discussion about disabling the switch user button at one point. I don't think anyone chased it too far though. (re @saivinob: Np. There is setting newLoginCommand that we can use but don't know what to use for sddm. E.g. for dm-tool that is newLoginCommand: dm-tool switch-to-greeter (as per arch wiki). Tried online but can't find (so far). Will keep trying.)
 Noted. I needed that as my laptop is used by me as well as my daughter for her online classes. Any alternatives?
 I'm not sure. It would be great if it worked so I am glad you brought it up. I guess other than logging out I don't know of an alternative.
 Isn't there a button hidden in the screensaver to switch the user?
 Yes, I don't think it works though.
 It is on the lock screen
 That button labeled 'New Login', doesn't work. It gives error unable to execute gdmflexiserver. (re @aptghetto: Isn't there a button hidden in the screensaver to switch the user?)
 I found a ticket already raised: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T132
 There is also open issue upstream: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/579
[14:24] <blip99_> hi all. I'm installing lubuntu 21.04 on an old laptop.  In Graphical installer I choose manual partitioning then I define a /boot, /boot/efi, / and /home parritions
[14:24] <blip99_> I then select luks2 as the file system time for / and /home
[14:25] <blip99_> then when i press install, the installer starts partitioning and crashes
[14:25] <blip99_> If I run calamares in cli, it just prints "Segmentation fault"
[14:25] <blip99_> This oesn't occur if I choose ext4 as the filesystem type
[14:25] <blip99_> Any thoughts what's happening?
[14:25] <blip99_> here are the partition settings https://imgur.com/9dNBPhC
 Try luks1 instead of 2
 @kc2bez that won't help. This was what I was mentioning sometime back regarding some filesystems listed in calamares, that should not be either shown or at least should pop out warning. luks1, luk2, fatNN, ntfs all belong in this category.
[14:31] <blip99_> am i supposed to choose ext4 then tick "encrypt"?
[14:31] <blip99_> is that the same thing as luks
 that should work yes and it should be luks1
 luks1 should work, that is what happens when you do an erase disk and encrypt it. (re @saivinob: @kc2bez that won't help. This was what I was mentioning sometime back regarding some filesystems listed in calamares, that should not be either shown or at least should pop out warning. luks1, luk2, fatNN, ntfs all belong in this category.)
 I'm not talking about type (version) of encryption used (internally). I'm talking about filesystem choice in the list: luks1 and luks2. Both don't work. I've tried several combination.
[14:35] <blip99_> are you saying those filesystem choices are there due to a bug?
[14:35] <blip99_> What is the "correct choice"" saivinob and kc2bez
 The one you mentioned 'ext4' and then check 'encrypt'
[14:40] <blip99_> perfect. looks like it's working now
[14:40] <blip99_> this uses luks2 as i understtand
 that (internals) I do not know 😊
[14:48] <blip99_> no worries. thanks for the help :)
[14:48] <blip99_> 3 days I'm stuck on this problem lol


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[04:02] <lyorian> oh dear I think I may have just found a way to crash calamares but I will check if it is reproduceable
[04:04] <wxl> well we can still get bug fixes in
[04:05] <lyorian> I know
[04:11] <lyorian> ugh not reproducible
[04:16] <wxl> well that's not entirely all bad
[04:16] <lyorian> yeah it doesn't always crash
[04:16] <lyorian> and seems to be working well upon relaunching calamares
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[05:16] <lyorian> phew that was a big lot of work needed to get done
[05:29] <wxl> lyorian: don't forget erase disk (or replace a partition) won't show up if that disk has any mounted partitions, including swaps, which are automatically mounted in our (ubuntu) live systems. one can use `swapoff` to resolve that
[05:32] <lyorian> wxl yeah that was an oversight
[05:32] <wxl> thx :)
[05:32] <wxl> also encryption should be available soon. it's basically just checking a checkbox and entering in a password
[05:33] <wxl> fix is uploaded, but stuck in the queue. release team seems to have gone on vacation for the weekend
[05:33] <wxl> er
[05:33] <wxl> no i'm lying
[05:33] <wxl> tomorrow's daily
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 @wxl Say I needed a screenshot of the contributors page, what page would that be?
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/UK0zJFmK/file_4184.png
 @TheWendyPower [<reply to image>], That looks so nice!
 @Wolfenprey [That looks so nice!], Thank you!
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[13:51] <Wafficus> what's going on guys? Any updates from Sunday's release? I've been busy last weekend
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[14:26] <wxl> dang @TheWendyPower that looks nice. re: Contributors page you mean a place for people to go to figure out how to contribute or a list of contributors?
[14:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T98: Proofread the Lubuntu Manual] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T98
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[14:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T100: 100 TASKS!] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T100
 WE DID IT wxl!
 100 tasks!
[14:33] <wxl> omg
 @wxl Thanks! I got the contributors page worked out now. @tsimonq2 told me to use Phab.
[14:34]  * acheronuk hands tsimonq2 another power of 10
 XD
[14:36] <wxl> i wish we lived in a hexideimal world
 I totes just put out a tweet
 This is super cool
 Anyway wxl when you changed the default screen on Phab you screwed up ACLs. ;)
[14:37] <wxl> all i did was change the name of some of the menus
 I can't fix it because my default dashboard is different.
[14:38] <wxl> oh babylon was base 60
[14:38] <wxl> so what's mssed up where?
[14:38] <wxl> and the aztecs and mayas were base 20
 @wxl [<wxl> so what's mssed up where?], Go to phab.lubuntu.me when you're not logged in.
[14:40] <wxl> 404 wth
[14:41] <wxl> i don't understand how that's possible
[14:41] <wxl> the menu doesn't have acls
 I got that when I was logged in yesterday.
[14:42] <wxl> you got the 404 when logged in?
 Yesterday, yes. I haven't tried yet today. Standby.
[14:45] <wxl> @tsimonq2: looks like the history suggests the last change i made opened the ACLs rather than not https://phab.lubuntu.me/config/history/
 Yeah. Same today. I can see I am logged in but still 404.
[14:45] <wxl> THAT sounds to me like a totally different problem
[14:45] <wxl> can you get to any page?
 Yes. If i append the URL.
[14:46] <wxl> just not home.. hmmm
 Correct. For example /w gets me to the wiki
[14:49] <wxl> figured it out
[14:49] <wxl> and it's SO DUMB
[14:51] <wxl> it's not an ACL at all.
[14:52] <Wafficus> I registered my email but haven't got email from Phab yet :/
[14:55] <wxl> did you check your spam?
 @wxl [<wxl> it's not an ACL at all.], What was it?
[14:56] <wxl> the "built-in homepage" has to be the first option. and enabled.
 Hah
 Back in action @wxl
 Sweet
[14:58] <Wafficus> did my contribution end up in the Sunday release?
[15:00] <Wafficus> yeah it was in spam, damn
[15:00] <wxl> Wafficus: did you finish your try/except business yet? because we were waiting on that to uplad..
[15:00] <Wafficus> I made an email rule too
[15:00] <Wafficus> wxl: Not yet, I haven't had time on the weekend. I can work on it tonight though, not a problem
[15:00] <Wafficus> wxl: Did you check my latest Pastebin a few days ago?
[15:01] <Wafficus> wxl: My latest take is on my GitHub, lemme go get the link
[15:01] <wxl> that's a bug fix, really, so we should still be able to get it in.... @tsimonq2 what's the deadline for those again?
[15:01] <wxl> i haven't checked it. i was swamped at the end of the week and tagged @tsimonq2 to help you out
[15:01] <Wafficus> wxl: https://github.com/SBanya/lubuntuBugs/blob/master/bug1794844/main.py
[15:01] <Wafficus> wxl: Cool, gotcha.
 @wxl [<wxl> that's a bug fix, really, so we should still be able to get it in.... @tsi …], Whenever Adam wakes up and decides to freeze.
[15:02] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: Yeah, lemme know if you're free 7:30 PM EST onward tonight
[15:02] <wxl> of course you keep coming and going *AHEM* so it's hard to have good asyncronous communication*AHEM*
 Thursday is what's on the calendar but he's done it earlier.
[15:02] <wxl> @tsimonq2: ack so any day now?//
 When he freezes though, critical bugfixes only.
[15:02] <Wafficus> wxl: Yeah, I'm free Monday through Thursday though wxl
 Like, Calamares being broken.
 That bad.
 Not "oh my icon is misplaced"
 From there we talk to the SRU team about 0 day SRUs
[15:03] <wxl> ok well i don't knkow if this is critical
[15:03] <wxl> high, maybe, but it only seems to affect a subset of people
[15:04] <wxl> Wafficus: i'm just saying you should get telegram or matrix or a bouncer set up so you're always connected here so you can see all the messages sent your way
 So you either hurry the heck up or we wait.
 We can always SRU too, but it has to follow those rules.
 Plus it won't be on the live images.
[15:05] <Wafficus> wxl: Wanna help me to setup a telegram or matrix or bouncer via freeshells.org? I tried asking around on different channels for help for that, but no one has any idea of how to do it
 Install the Telegram app on your phone and computer.
[15:05] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: Well, I'm waiting for your take on my try except clause
 Just needs a phone number.
[15:05] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: I would, but this is my work comp
[15:05] <Wafficus> I wouldn't have a comp on this kind of thing all day tbh
 OK, just your phone?
[15:06] <Wafficus> I do this when I have free time at home
[15:06] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: Sure, I'll check it out
[15:06] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: But did you look at my current take though? is that the kind of try except clause you want?
[15:07] <Wafficus> wxl: Is that the "Telegram X app on Google app store you're talking about?
[15:07] <wxl> @tsimonq2: libfm-qt FTBFS on armhf and i386.. help?
 @Wafficus [<Wafficus> tsimonq2: But did you look at my current take though? is that the kin …], I haven't yet. Been super swamped. I missed a week of school and I'm still catching up.
[15:07] <wxl> Wafficus: go to telegram.lubuntu.me/develeopment and it should sk you
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: libfm-qt FTBFS on armhf and i386.. help?], Ack, looking
[15:07] <wxl> argh development
[15:08] <wxl> @tsimonq2: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/392237320/buildlog_ubuntu-cosmic-armhf.libfm-qt_0.13.1-5ubuntu5_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:08] <wxl> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/392235750/buildlog_ubuntu-cosmic-i386.libfm-qt_0.13.1-5ubuntu5_BUILDING.txt.gz
 BAD SYMBOLS
 Aaaaaargh
[15:08] <wxl> that's your fault neener neener :)
 Freaking... Grrr
 I'll fix it later.
 Bahh
[15:09] <wxl> @Wafficus: https://telegram.org/dl/android
[15:09] <Wafficus> wxl: Ah gotcha, so it IS that Telegram app.
 wxl: T99
[15:09] <Wafficus> wxl: So when I download it, just add "lubuntu-devel" to the channel list right?
[15:09] <wxl> wxl: i'm working on it but wanted you to see this
 XD
[15:09] <wxl> @Wafficus: like i said, just go to telegram.lubuntu.me/development on your phone's browser and it will open it right up
[15:10] <wxl> @Wafficus: to be fair, i use matrix and not telegram on my phone. @tsimonq2 is the telegram expert so ask him
 No wxl you have it spot on.
[15:10] <wxl> well also letting him know so he doesn't ask me for help with it later XD
[15:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#1972
[15:12] <Wafficus> I got Telegram but have no idea how to go into this channel from it though
[15:13] <wxl> @Wafficus: like i said, just go to telegram.lubuntu.me/development on your phone's browser and it will open it right up
[15:13] <wxl> there you go
[15:13] <wxl> now change your username to Wafficus
 Let's see
[15:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#1973
 Cool can I make it so it can only send me notifications whenever I'm only mentioned ?
[15:15] <wxl> i think so. i know matrix can. @tsimonq2 ?
 Yes. Mute the notification for the channel. You will still get at notification.
[15:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#1974
 Yup
 Cool
 I wonder if anything directed to me can just be sent as an sms too. Now that'd be cooo
 Cool
 @Wafficus [I wonder if anything directed to me can just be sent as an sms too. Now that'd b …], I don't think so.
 @Wafficus maybe set a profile pic too? :)
 I think negative on the SMS thing. I get push notifications anyway.
 Right.
 Yeah gotcha. Tsi, check out that github link I posted earlier though and lemme know if that's sufficient.
 Sure.
 Thanks. I would have tagged your Simon username but I didn't want to de-anon you or didn't know what you preferred.
 I don't care :)
 Call me Simon, @tsimonq2, whatevs
[15:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#1975
[15:31] <wxl> hey whatevs
 Cool thanks for confirming. Usually with IRC I prefer anon usernames but since I'm part of this team I'm fine with either too.
[15:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#1976
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[15:33] <wxl> we're punting T32 right @tsimonq2 ?
 @wxl [<wxl> we're punting T32 right @tsimonq2 ?], Yes
 @Wafficus [Cool thanks for confirming. Usually with IRC I prefer anon usernames but since I …], Right, thanks :)
[15:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#1992
[15:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#1993
[15:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T97: Cala doesn't do 32-bit UEFI] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97#1994
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[15:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T101: Evaluate the window manager situation] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T101#1996
 Did anyone use wine? In my case it has not been able to create the menu entries.
[15:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#1997
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[15:41] <wxl> i would ask the wine folks honestly. i'd expect wine to work as well in lubuntu as anything else
[15:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2001
[15:43] <wxl> @tsimonq2: how does one add a language on weblate?
[15:44] <wxl> nevermind
[15:46] <wxl> @tsimonq2: can i get an admin account on our weblate, please?
[15:46] <wxl> why don't we have all languages exposed?
[15:47] <wxl> it's supposed to come with like 150
[15:47] <wxl> compare https://weblate.lxqt.org/languages/ https://translate.lubuntu.me/languages/
[15:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T102: Draft release notes for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T102
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: can i get an admin account on our weblate, please?], Sure, I'll do as soon as I can.
 @acheronuk [need to test if this is backportable to 5.13.5 🤔 https://cgit.kde.org/discover. …], works, so in the queue :)
 @wxl [<wxl> it's supposed to come with like 150], Weblate doesn't come with it, we have to add it. Weblate just has support for them.
[15:50] <wxl> https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/faq.html#where-do-language-definitions-come-from-and-how-can-i-add-my-own
[15:50] <wxl> of course maybe that's what you mean
[15:50] <wxl> so gimme an account
 wxl: You need to create an account first.
[15:51] <wxl> k 1s
 @wxl [<wxl> of course maybe that's what you mean], No it isn't.
 I have to go through and document it but it's a real PITA to be frank.
[15:51] <wxl> hm
[15:51] <wxl> ok we have a request (actually it's been on the list for a long time) so i'd like to figure it out
 Ok
[15:52] <wxl> point me at a doc and i can probably muscle through it
 That's the thing, it has to be done by hand.
[15:52] <wxl> does cala support multicore processing? https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-tweaks/+bug/1795252
 Locales are because we don't remove all the locales that aren't needed. Cala is a red herring.
[15:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T102: Draft release notes for 18.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T102#2012
[15:53] <wxl> so the locales take a long time because we're not doing something? huh?
[15:54] <wxl> double negatives jeez
 We don't remove the extra packages.
 So it installs like ten locales.
[15:54] <wxl> oh
[15:55] <wxl> ok
[15:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T102: Draft release notes for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T102#2013
[15:55] <wxl> so can we get apt to conditionally use multicore processing?
 Where's your darn Weblate account? :)
[15:55] <wxl> getting there
[15:55] <wxl> i think i'm up to 10 things t once
 It's localegen dude.
[15:55] <wxl> OK FINE CAN IT DO MULTICORE PROCESSING DARNIT
 I DON'T KNOW I'M GOOGLING
 :)
 Just create the darn Weblate account XD
 @tsimonq2 [I DON'T KNOW I'M GOOGLING], duckduckgoing?
 @HMollerCl [duckduckgoing?], That
 Ooh looks like Gentoo fixed it
[15:58] <wxl> done
[15:58] <wxl> gentoo fixed what?
[15:58] <wxl> also +1 @HMollerCl
 @wxl [<wxl> done], Full permissions given.
[15:59] <wxl> thx
[15:59] <wxl> doc?
 @wxl [<wxl> gentoo fixed what?], Apparently we have to patch glibc to fix it >_<
 Looking into it now
[15:59] <wxl> to fix localegen multiprocessing? jeez
 Doc can come later, it's going to have to because I'm stuck with this darn Chromebook at school :)
[15:59] <wxl> link me to that
 @wxl [<wxl> to fix localegen multiprocessing? jeez], Yeah
[15:59] <wxl> yeah all good
 is the standard that alt+f2 opens the runner?
 Let me see if I need to patch it yet.
[16:00] <wxl> Alt+R i believe
 I'm used to super_l+r but that's because of windows.
[16:00] <wxl> that's what i usually set it to
[16:00] <wxl> and i was surprised it just worked
[16:01] <wxl> @tsimonq2: well i just want the link for the sake of throwing it into this bug and pointing the bug away from us XD
 @wxl [<wxl> and i was surprised it just worked], in yesterday daily?
[16:02] <wxl> i believe so yes
 will check again
 Oh my god
 This glibc patch is scaring me
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/Ktp1hy6V/file_4185.mp4
 @tsimonq2 [<reply to image>], Me, right now.
[16:05] <wxl> give us the link
 Gentoo apparently forked Debian's locale-gen. Gentoo bug 592300.
 Our copy is at https://salsa.debian.org/glibc-team/glibc/blob/sid/debian/local/usr_sbin/locale-gen
[16:07] <wxl> @tsimonq2: what's the difference between "accepted" and "done" when it comes to the upload queue?
 Their copy is at https://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo/src/patchsets/glibc/extra/locale/locale-gen?diff_format=h&view=markup
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: what's the difference between "accepted" and "done" when it com …], No technical difference.
 You can treat both the same.
[16:08] <wxl> but they're not.... ?
 I'm not sure of the full details, right now I'm just trying to wrap my head around this freaking glibc patch. :)
[16:09] <wxl> don't look further into this locale-gen thing. i'm going to repoint the bug report at locale-gen, drop the link there and let someone else deal with it
 Adam is the glibc master so maybe ask him.
[16:10] <wxl> just nevermind glibc
[16:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2014
[16:10] <wxl> when we remove the right packages it won't even be a thing
 Right.
 OK.
[16:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2015
[16:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2016
[16:12] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2017
[16:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2018
[16:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T99: Support cycle for 18.10] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99#2019
 @wxl [<wxl> i believe so yes], Yes is working super_l + r
[16:15] <wxl> yay
[16:18] <wxl> @acheronuk: did you not upload some new discover fixes?
 wxl: You might want to note in the packaging tutorial that in the development release, !(NEW) queue is Release Team and in stable releases it's the SRU Team, but NEW is Archive Admins.
 Technically NEW in stable releases also is the SRU Team, but there's overlap in the teams.
[16:22] <wxl> jfdi i gotta go to work :)
 ENOCOMPUTER
 I'm eating my lunch :)
[16:23] <wxl> jfdi anyways
[16:23] <wxl> :)
 Bah
[16:26] <acheronuk> wxl: I did
[16:29] <acheronuk> now on ubuntu6 for discover, adding more and more patches. sigh....
 @acheronuk [<acheronuk> now on ubuntu6 for discover, adding more and more patches. sigh....], At least it's not as bad as debian-installer
[16:32] <tsimonq2> !info debian-installer cosmic
[16:32]  * tsimonq2 shudders
[16:32] <tsimonq2> ubuntu553!
 hahaha
[17:03] <wxl> acheronuk: where are they? it looks like discover hasn't changed since january and i dont' see antyhing in the queue
[17:03] <wxl> err
[17:03] <wxl> wait
[17:03] <wxl> wrong source package OOPS XD
[17:05] <acheronuk> wxl: patches https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/discover/tree/debian/patches?h=kubuntu_cosmic_archive
[17:09] <wxl> acheronuk: oh, well, right. i was looking in the normal places.
[17:09] <wxl> @acheronuk: that's the source package plasma-discover in the archives, right?
[17:10] <acheronuk> wxl: yes
[17:10] <wxl> great thanks! now i see the upload
[17:10] <wxl> always helps to look in the right place XD
[17:11] <acheronuk> still building I think
[17:12] <wxl> says published
[17:12] <wxl> oh
[17:13] <wxl> not 6 that just hit proposed
[17:13] <acheronuk> yup
[18:29] <wxl> has sum mismatch grabbing updates for the images so respinning
[18:29] <wxl> not sure why i didn't get a notification
 wxl: So that discussion with Adam turned into "pitch to the TB tomorrow why anything more than a seven month support cycle is a waste of time."
 I'll do it; I have stats
[18:47] <wxl> i saw
 So wxl, since Adam apparently has Turkey Day today (Canadians are weird 😆) it'll at least be until tomorrow.
 @tsimonq2 [So wxl, since Adam apparently has Turkey Day today (Canadians are weird 😆) it'l …], 🎉
 iso failed again. Kubuntus did earlier as well :/
 wxl: Just added a whole lot of knowledge to the Packaging Tutorial.
 Season to taste.
 Simon Quigley: did you check out my Github post? I ask cause I've been checking in on the channel via phone like you guys wanted all day between stuff at work
 @Wafficus  if you do an @tsimonq2 it will tag him.
 Thanks Dan @kc2bez
 @tsimonq2
 @Wafficus [Simon Quigley: did you check out my Github post? I ask cause I've been checking …], I haven't, sorry
 @tsimonq2 gotcha no worries. I'll be home near like 7:30 pm edt so lemme know.
 @Wafficus [@tsimonq2 gotcha no worries. I'll be home near like 7:30 pm edt so lemme know.], Alright.
 I'm going to take a nap, I'm just wiped.
[21:52] <wxl> @Wafficus here's the original link with the good error handling https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8763451/how-to-handle-urllibs-timeout-in-python-3/52375450#52375450
[21:53] <wxl> you should have an HTTPError and a URLError, with a specific handling in the latter of the timeout. also i'd make the timeout kind of uncomfortably long. maybe 90s.
[21:57] <wxl> OMG I FIGURED OUT WHY THE AUTOMIRROR FAILS
[21:58] <wxl> IT"S CUZ @TSIMONQ2 IS STUPID
 Uh oh
[21:58] <wxl> let's remember the fail happened on someone from fance
[21:58] <wxl> france that is
[21:58] <wxl> https://mirrorlist.lubuntu.me/list.json
 I never claimed my code was sane :)
[21:58] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/browse/master/common/modules/automirror/main.py$92
[21:58] <wxl> Just Run It™ yourself, booboo head
 Yeah, if the county isn't there it should fail.....
 It should fall back to nothing.....
[21:59] <wxl> right, so it just dies
 But why?
 That's stupid
 What's wrong with my Python?
[22:01] <wxl> also you don't have replaced URLs in all the sources
[22:01] <wxl> jeez the more i look
 Yes, I never claimed my code was sane.
 It works!
 Anyway, go fix it.
 @tsimonq2 so is this issue fixed or no?
 @Wafficus [@tsimonq2 so is this issue fixed or no?], Ask wxl.
 @wxl so is this issue fixed then?
[22:16] <wxl> also shouldn't the handling of hasInternet = false be such that it just quits?
[22:16] <wxl> no it's not fixed
 @wxl [<wxl> also shouldn't the handling of hasInternet = false be such that it just qu …], No, it should fall back to archive.ubuntu.com
[22:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCALASETTINGS83fbe22b2f3d: Updated the slideshow.] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCALASETTINGS83fbe22b2f3d
 HUZZAH.
 wxl: ^
 Because it's a large update (huge diff) could somebody spot check it? I'll be happy to upload then.
[22:26] <wxl> what's the logic with that?
[22:26] <wxl> (hasInternet)
 The default sources.list that comes on the ISO is incomplete.
 Literally won't work.
[22:27] <wxl> but if there's no internet, it should just quit
[22:28] <wxl> changing it to a url isn't going to make it work
[22:28] <wxl> apt update will fail
 It should spit out the complete sources.list we have as a template falling back to archive.ubuntu.com.
 Just because they don't have network on install doesn't mean they won't ever have network.
[22:29] <wxl> ic
[22:30] <wxl> where the hell is rootMountPoint defined?
 Cala defines it
[22:33] <wxl> sigh
 Dude chill :)
[22:34] <wxl> i can't `import libcalamares` in live
 Calamares runs the file and already has stuff imported
 Plus, globalstorage only works during the install.
[22:36] <wxl> i just need to figure out its value
 You'll have to do it in a hacky way
 Debugging this sucks :)
[22:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T102: Draft release notes for 18.10] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T102#2020
[22:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T102: Draft release notes for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T102#2021
[22:47] <wxl> ohh rootMountPoint is probably the chroot location
[22:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T102: Draft release notes for 18.10] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T102#2022
[22:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T102: Draft release notes for 18.10] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T102#2023
[22:56] <Wafficus> tsimonq2:
[22:56] <Wafficus> wxl:
[22:56] <Wafficus> alright I'm at home
[22:56] <Wafficus> so proceed with setting the default URL to archive.ubuntu.com right?
[23:00] <wxl> actually i think my idea was wrong
[23:00] <Wafficus> wxl: https://github.com/SBanya/lubuntuBugs/blob/master/bug1794844/main.py
[23:00] <Wafficus> wxl: This is with the 75 second timeout as requested
[23:00] <wxl> so go back to what i was doing above
[23:00] <wxl> basically, we need to make sure that all the urlopen calls handle all URL and HTTPErrors
[23:01] <wxl> go back to what you were doing above, i mean
[23:01] <Wafficus> ah gotcha
[23:01] <Wafficus> i'll look at that StackOverflow ex you posted earlier
[23:01] <Wafficus> wxl: Still with the getcountry() function though right?
[23:02] <Wafficus> wxl: I get the feeling that this might also impact the getmirror() function too imo
[23:05] <Wafficus> *reading that stack over flow section though
[23:11] <Wafficus> wxl: Updated code, lemme know what you think:
[23:11] <Wafficus> wxl: https://github.com/SBanya/lubuntuBugs/blob/master/bug1794844/main.py
[23:12] <Wafficus> wxl: I included the ideas from that try except example, but am wondering if return none is okay for the default value since this is the function that decides the country. Probably choose mirror's default should be changed to "archive.ubuntu.com" as suggested by tsimonq2
[23:14] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: *updated code for getcountry() above including try except example
[23:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T102: Draft release notes for 18.10] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T102#2024
[23:27] <wxl> Wafficus: follow the example more closely. HTTPError and URLError should be handled separately. note that socket.timeout is a URLError
[23:28] <wxl> also the getmirror() function needs the same exact handling
[23:31] <wxl> Wafficus: also nevermind the default mirror thing. the way the code works, it takes care of that. didn't see it before. return the same exact thing as the original
[23:34] <Wafficus> ok
[23:59] <wxl> sigh
 😞 What is the matter @wxl?
[23:59] <wxl> we don't have freaking images yet


[16:37] <trinikrono> hey i have a question for you guys, i want to put together some documentation to show my school about the ubuntu project etc, is there somewhere where marketting materials are prepared already
[16:37] <trinikrono> or i can just pull what is on the ubuntu website and print it out
[16:38] <czajkowski> trinikrono: looked at spred ubuntu ?
[16:38] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, you can see http://spreadubuntu.org/
[16:38] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: :)
[16:38] <trinikrono> no i did not thats why i asked :D
[16:38] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, I guess this is that you need
[16:38] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, jeje
[16:39] <trinikrono> hola SergioMeneses
[16:39] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, hola! hablas Español?
[16:39] <trinikrono> very little SergioMeneses did you forget me already
[16:40] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, yes :S sorry
[16:40] <trinikrono> i from the trinidad and tobago loco team and you approved me to become a member
[16:41] <trinikrono> :D
[16:41] <trinikrono> thanks guys
[16:41] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, aaaah
[16:41] <SergioMeneses> sure
[16:41] <trinikrono> now to find somewhere to print some brochures
[16:41] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, how you been bro?
[16:41] <trinikrono> well the project i am working on
[16:42] <trinikrono> is to get ubuntu in the library's down here
[16:42] <trinikrono> but i need to sit down and show them something explaining what ubuntu is etc
[16:43] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, I see remember if you make new material you can put it on http://spreadubuntu.org/
[16:43] <trinikrono> sure
[16:43] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, I guess you can use the online tour
[16:43] <SergioMeneses> http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/
[16:44] <trinikrono> yes good idea as well
[16:44] <trinikrono> that will be great
[16:44] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, ubuntu rocks, isn't?
[16:47] <trinikrono> does the tour show the software center SergioMeneses?
[16:49] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/#find-apps
[16:49] <SergioMeneses> but remember It is running on you browser
[16:49] <SergioMeneses> *your
[16:54] <trinikrono> yes it is still very cool i can show people the demo then boot with a cd or usb
[16:54] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, sure! I did last weekend in Venezuela!
[16:55] <SergioMeneses> it is amazing to show
[16:55] <trinikrono> SergioMeneses: you was in Venezuela
[16:56] <trinikrono> will you ever come tnt to visit
[16:56] <trinikrono> its right next to Venezuela
[16:56] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, jejeje some day
[16:57] <trinikrono> i want to meet other people from Ubuntu land
[16:57] <trinikrono> i have never seen any lol
[16:57] <trinikrono> and i even met  a Debian Developer
[16:58] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, and why don't try to meet ubuntu-ve team?
[16:58] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, look http://www.ubuntu.org.ve/
[16:58] <trinikrono> SergioMeneses: i need better espanol first most of them dont understand english
[16:59] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, I see... but don't let the language be a wall
[17:01] <trinikrono> and yes i plan to do that
[17:01] <trinikrono> i have family in Venezuela
[17:02] <trinikrono> i will try SergioMeneses
[17:02] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, ok... :D do it!
[17:02] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, I have to go i'm leaven of my job, I'll see you later
[17:03] <SergioMeneses> have a nice day
[17:03] <trinikrono> ok thanks SergioMeneses
[17:04] <SergioMeneses> trinikrono, remember make a post to ubuntu.planet.com -> http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[17:04] <trinikrono> thanks czajkowski you seem to always answer first
[19:14] <pleia2> g 52
[19:14] <pleia2> doh


[20:09] <veebers> barry: ping, do you have a moment to talk pytz?
[20:18] <barry> veebers: sure
[20:21] <veebers> barry: oh wait, I might be being silly, I thought pytz was a separate python library package that wasn't in main/universe.
[20:21] <veebers> I was going to ask if it would need packaging
[20:22] <barry> python3-tz
[20:23] <veebers> sweet, I'll explore now see if I can replace our usage with it
[20:27] <barry> +1
[20:31] <veebers> barry: hmm, from memory I went with dateutil as it has gettz() which is really handy, I'm looking now if I can get around that, but all this datetime pain is coming back to me now :-)
[20:32] <barry> veebers: don't forget, stub is the upstream author of pytz
[20:32] <veebers> barry: oh, I wasn't aware of that. I don't think I've met stub before
[20:33] <barry> veebers: yep, we worked together on the launchpad team back in the day. not sure what team he's on now
[20:36] <veebers> barry: thanks for the heads up, might ping him


[09:42] <msikma> Hi
[09:44] <klepas> moin
[09:48] <troy_s> moin
[09:52] <klepas> hey troy_s
[09:53] <troy_s> how goes it klepas?
[10:11] <klepas> not too well
[10:11] <klepas> quite disgruntled atm
[10:12] <troy_s> how come?
[10:12] <klepas> our state government here in the capital of 300,000 has released this year's fiscal policy
[10:13] <troy_s> uh oh
[10:13] <klepas> they want to shut down a quarter of the of the Capital's schools, including 22 preschools, 15 primary schools, an established highschool my sister has just begun to attend with over 850 students and one of Canberra's most reputable colleges, Dickson College
[10:16] <klepas> and i am off
[10:16] <klepas> going a rally at the college
[10:16] <klepas> bye
[11:20] <msikma> Hey Troy_s
[11:20] <msikma> How's things?
[01:31] <klepas> troy_s: back
[02:40] <offs> hello...
[07:09] <troy_s> hey bersace, can you put a link to the blasted ubuntu font from the documents page?  i can't find it.
[07:09] <troy_s> and i can't remember where it is on the wiki.
[07:09] <troy_s> thanks brother.
[08:15] <bersace> troy_s: apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title
[08:17] <bersace> troy_s: i don't understand what you want
[08:17] <bersace> a link where to what ?
[08:27] <bersace> troy_s: i receive the mail
[08:28] <bersace> i'll do something
[08:28] <bersace> The problem is : We have two namespace : Artwork and ArtworkTeam
[08:28] <bersace> What do we need really ?
[08:28] <bersace> i guess that Artwork is less confusing than ArtworkTeam
[08:28] <bersace> and that ArtworkTeam should be renamed to Artwork/Team
[08:55] <bersace> I would like to gather Edgy proposals, but Artwork/Evaluation/EdgyPropositions is a mess
[09:07] <bersace> msikma: ping
[09:07] <bersace> We have two namespace : Artwork and ArtworkTeam What do we need really ? i guess that Artwork is less confusing than ArtworkTeam and that ArtworkTeam should be renamed to Artwork/Team
[09:21] <bersace> in the wiki
[09:21] <bersace> should we seperate Drafts and Evalutions ?
[09:25] <bersace> i gather
[09:27] <bersace> ok
[09:27] <bersace> si i rename a lot of pages
[09:27] <bersace> added redirection
[09:27] <bersace> and create some pages
[09:28] <bersace> don't want to do more alone
[09:28] <bersace> bye
[09:41] <msikma> Hello :)
[10:28] <nickm__> anyone around?
[10:30] <nickm__> oh well, basically i have some images some people might like to work with to create wallpapers or whatever, i dont want to join the art team or anything, they're just here if anyone wants to play with them
[10:30] <nickm__> http://boredklink.googlepages.com/home
[10:31] <nickm__> maybe i can put a link on the wiki for people to get to them if someone would show me where to put it
[10:38] <nickm__> hi jason, are you there?
[10:38] <_jason> yeah, I was just making sure this channel existed
[10:38] <nickm__> okay
[10:38] <_jason> nickm__: forgot to look to see if you were already here :)
[10:39] <nickm__> im looking for someone from ubuntu-artwork cos i have some artwork people might *might* want to hack on
[10:39] <nickm__> its ok :)
[10:39] <nickm__> make screenshots and the like
[10:39] <nickm__> *wallpapers :)
[10:42] <_jason> nickm__: ah, probably best to try later or just email then
[10:42] <nickm__> alrighty, thanks :)


[00:02] <w30> drc, mine won't unclick. the window for settings won't close either, something is foobared.
[00:04] <drc> sounds like it is...and it's fubar...foo and bar are canonical variable settings :)
[00:05] <drc> w30, then maybe you might try the file cure...let me find a URL
[00:06] <drc> w30: http://askubuntu.com/questions/117127/flash-video-appears-blue
[00:08] <w30> drc isn't flash and Adobe wonderfull!
[00:08] <drc> w30: note that using this file cure solves the blue skin,  but it cause <me> not to be able to view some videos such as slashdot tv.
[00:08] <w30> drc, going for the url now; thanks
[00:08] <drc> you pays your money and takes your chances.....
[00:20] <w30> drc, my purple smurf Jay Leno is now flesh colored, thanks
[00:21] <drc> np...have fun
[00:21] <drc> But I thought Leno "was" a smurf?
[00:23] <w30> drc, maybe he's purple from all those exhaust fumes in his garage?
[00:25] <drc> garage, freeway, side street...in SoCal what's the difference?
[00:43] <w30> Leno's garage is probably more like a block.
[04:09] <agentgasmask_> Hi all. When booting 12.04 the loading splash screen shows for 2 seconds, then the backlight of my screen turns off. If I hold the screen up to light I can see that it is still loading. then it goes to the login screen, and THEN 5-7 second later, the backlight comes on. Any idea how to fix this?
[04:10] <Mathsterk> agentgasmask_: it might be the screen, is it a laptop or desktop?
[04:10] <zx22> In xubuntu 12.04, is there any way to connect to a wep network with a key which is 9 characters in length? It seems to only want a key which is 5 or 13 characters...
[04:10] <agentgasmask_> Mathsterk: laptop
[04:10] <agentgasmask_> I've tried hitting the "brighter" key on the keyboard with no change
[04:14] <Mathsterk> agentgasmask_: model?
[04:16] <agentgasmask_> Mathsterk: Acer aspire one d260
[04:17] <agentgasmask_> Mathsterk: It seems odd that it works for a second or two and then doesn't for a bit. I would think if it was waiting for something to load to "turn it on" it would just stay on then...
[04:18] <Mathsterk> maybe a driver isn't cooperating
[04:20] <astraljava> agentgasmask_: Has this changed from any previous release, or is this 12.04 the first on that laptop?
[04:20] <Mathsterk> second hit on google: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/11808/solved-odd-lcd-backlight-delay-at-statler-startup/
[04:21] <agentgasmask_> astraljava: I had 11.10 and I don't remember it happening. But I upgraded a wile ago, and I can't remember clearly.
[04:21] <astraljava> Yeah ok, just a thought to find out whether there's a regression.
[04:23] <agentgasmask_> Mathsterk: Great, reading now. Thanks
[11:00] <blarf_> hi, if i want to use the open ati and nvidia driver with 3d support, do i need to do anything, like install something or change some config?
[11:02] <Dice> you may need to install experimental nvidia 3D from "Additional drivers" dialog
[11:03] <blarf_> thaat is closed drivers ;-)
[11:04] <Dice> in 11.10 open 3D one was there too because it was experimental
[11:06] <blarf_> oh. but now is 12.04 released a long time ago so...
[11:07] <Dice> but I don't know if nouveau with 3D support is still experimental, so I made a note about "maybe"
[12:00] <xubuntu658> HI
[12:00] <xubuntu658> I am msiyer
[12:01] <xubuntu658> I updated the X Server after I received a notification. After update, the normal Xubuntu login screen was not available. I decided to purge and reinstall X Server. I issued the following command:
[12:01] <xubuntu658> sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg
[12:01] <xubuntu658> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[12:01] <xubuntu658> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:02] <xubuntu658> This solved the login screen issue but I was now not able to login using my normal account. I could login using Guest User account only.
[12:03] <xubuntu658> I logged-in as the Guest User and went to the User Account Management utility. I could see my normal account listed there. I deleted it and chose to save the files in the /home/{normal account}. I re-cretaed the account.
[12:03] <xubuntu658> Is it not dangerous to allow a Guest User to manage User details?(A malicious user may have deleted my files too!)
[12:04] <xubuntu658> Any one who can help me...
[12:17] <fabri> hi all... I've got a Xubuntu 12.04 installed on a Toshiba Satellite L350... Everything is ok but the volume wheel doesn't control the main level but some other device... How can i set it?
[14:19] <wobbly> hello
[14:22] <wobbly> i would like to know how to get Xubuntu 12.04 to boot to  cli and not load the gui at start up thank you
[14:23] <aguitel> every time?
[14:24] <wobbly> yes every time
[14:24] <Marzata> wobbly: maybe not the answer, but then  why do you need xubuntu, ubuntu server will do the job.
[14:24] <wobbly> i know
[14:25] <ochosi> wobbly: uninstall lightdm
[14:25] <wobbly> but i need to stop the gui and load desttop when i need to log in
[14:26] <ochosi> ?
[14:26] <wobbly> ok like this
[14:27] <wobbly> power on box 95 # of the time i dont need dest top
[14:28] <wobbly> but i would still like it there for when i do
[14:29] <wobbly> if i need to log in i can run startx or what ever
[14:30] <wobbly> judt just need to know how to stop lightdm at start up
[14:33] <ochosi> wobbly: you don't need lightdm then. you can use startx for the cases when you want to run xfce
[14:34] <wobbly> so just uninstall lightdm ?
[14:39] <ochosi> yeah, i guess that should work
[15:00] <alex_alex> hi2all
[15:00] <alex_alex> please, advice
[15:00] <Pici> Don't get a tattoo when drunk.
[15:01] <alex_alex> thanks :) i was playing with pavucontrol - changing audio output
[15:01] <Pici> Oh, xubuntu related advice.
[15:01] <alex_alex> and suddenly all sounds disappeared
[15:02] <alex_alex> and now no sound using alsa, pulse etc
[15:02] <alex_alex> i returned evrth back in sound properties
[15:02] <alex_alex> but with no result
[15:03] <alex_alex> reinstalled pulseaudio and alsa
[15:03] <alex_alex> - nothing changed
[15:03] <alex_alex> if boot from livecd
[15:03] <alex_alex> siund work
[15:03] <alex_alex> sounds
[15:04] <alex_alex> so it is not hadware error
[15:04] <alex_alex> what i have to do now?
[15:07] <alex_alex> advice please what i can check, i dont want to reinstall the whole system again :(
[15:07] <holstein> alex_alex: are you up to date with upgrades?
[15:07] <alex_alex> yes, sure
[15:07] <holstein> have you tried booting the older kernel?
[15:07] <holstein> assuming there is one...
[15:08] <alex_alex> no, i dont have an older kernel
[15:08] <holstein> i would open a terminal and run "aplay -l" if you see something there, then, you can assume its going to make sound
[15:08] <holstein> i would open a terminal and run alsamixer, and dont trust the labels
[15:08] <holstein> i would careful think about what you have changed in the system "troubleshooing" your issue, and undo that
[15:09] <holstein> this is a great resource https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound ...typically, its an issue where the kernel doesnt support the device, or the alsa version
[15:09] <alex_alex> yes, i can see my card through aplay
[15:09] <alex_alex> and i checked alsdamixer too
[15:10] <holstein> you can always fire up the live CD, and see what kernel and what alsa rev is running there while sound is working
[15:10] <alex_alex> but still no sounds
[15:10] <holstein> alex_alex: sounds like you have misconfigured something.. i sould make a new user, and log in, see if there is sound
[15:10] <holstein> i would check all connections
[15:11] <alex_alex> i checked all connections  - ok
[15:11] <alex_alex> no i'll try to create a new user
[15:11] <alex_alex> now
[15:14] <holstein> theres a bug where when you mute sound with the keyboard shortcut, you *must* unmute in the menu
[15:20] <Level_9> Hey guys... on a new install... I removed the xscreensaver package, and installed the gnome-screensaver package. But -- no lock function now, and no screensaver. Also, no menu entries for it. It's as if some dependencies didn't load via Synaptic....
[15:21] <alex_alex> i just created a new user - stil no sound (:
[15:21] <alex_alex> wtf!!
[15:22] <holstein> i use i think its xtrlock that im using now Level_9
[15:23] <holstein> alex_alex: it seems you have broken your sound... i would try and "retrace" your steps.. maybe you dont have everything properly reinstalled from when you were trying to troubleshoot... i would try selecting the output from alsamixer... i would make sure its not muted in some odd way
[15:25] <alex_alex> in pavicontrol sound is enabled
[15:25] <alex_alex> in the alsamixer i dont see this option
[15:26] <holstein> alex_alex: there is a way to select the device.. but again, im not sure what you have changed while "troubleshooting"
[15:28] <alex_alex> i just changed the audio output to analog stereo duplex as it was by default
[15:29] <alex_alex> how the puvucontrol can break the whole sound system?
[15:29] <alex_alex> very strange
[15:30] <Level_9> xtrlock certainly is interesting. I had to ctrl-alt-F out to a console and kill it. How do you unlock in the GUI?
[15:30] <holstein> alex_alex: it controls the sound system.. if you "experiment" with the settings, you can select a device that doesnt exist or whatever
[15:30] <holstein> Level_9: i just type the password
[15:30] <Level_9> LOL kewl
[15:30] <alex_alex> i tried to select everything in the list step by step - no sound
[15:31] <holstein> Level_9: i got gnome-screen-locker or whatever its called working though.. i wish i could remember the process... it wasnt terribly complex though
[15:31] <holstein> alex_alex: right, but we dont know what you removed, or "reinstalled" or potentially broke before you got here.. can you recall?
[15:32] <alex_alex> i removed pulseaudio and alsa-base
[15:32] <alex_alex> then reinstalled them
[15:32] <alex_alex> and thats all
[15:32] <holstein> alex_alex: by what method? ..apt? synaptic?
[15:32] <alex_alex> apt-get
[15:32] <holstein> alex_alex: i know you are saying "thats all", but that will/can break sound
[15:33] <holstein> if it were my box, i would try all options in alsamixer ...dont trust the labels there
[15:33] <Level_9> on alex_alex's topic what's the best mp3 (or better, multi-format) cli player for use with alsa?
[15:33] <holstein> cvlc ?
[15:34] <alex_alex> but the sound disappeared before i reinstall this packages, i hope reinstall will fix the sound
[15:34] <alex_alex> i  use audacious only :)
[15:35] <holstein> alex_alex: i wasnt aware audacious had a commandline function
[15:35] <Level_9> audacious is awesome.  I'm one of those.
[15:37]  * holstein too :)
[15:37] <Level_9> down with the lawyers at RIAA, ASCAP, BMI, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. $$$$$$$$$
[15:38] <alex_alex> ok, seems i have to buy a few bottles of beer and install linux mint right now
[15:38] <alex_alex> damned pulse!
[15:38] <Level_9> all the music I write is open source </off_topic>
[15:39] <holstein> alex_alex: mint uses pulse.. and you can break it with the same version of pavucontrol that is in the ubuntu repos that you were using
[15:40] <alex_alex> i know, but my sound problem it is just a one more reason to try this distro
[15:40] <alex_alex> as i have to install the system again, i can try smth different :)
[15:41] <holstein> alex_alex: sure.. and you should try what you like, but you might want to use this as a learning experience, since all the major distros are actualy quite similar in this way
[15:42] <holstein> if you are new to XFCE, linux, pulse, and ALSA, you might want to spentd a little bit more time troubleshooting and trying to undo what you have doen
[15:42] <holstein> done*
[15:43] <alex_alex> i was googling 4 days, and now i just want to relax listening my favorite radio station
[15:44] <holstein> in the future, you might want to come right in here before you do anything else
[15:44] <holstein> it could be something in the UI you are not accustomed to, that now has been compromised
[15:46] <alex_alex> i think that smth miss configured deep in the system
[15:46] <holstein> yeah, maybe you did
[15:46] <alex_alex> but it is difficult to find what exactly
[15:47] <alex_alex> thanks guys, going to reinstall evrth now, buy!
[15:47] <holstein> i would install whatever DE you were used to using before
[15:47] <holstein> bye*
[16:02] <Level_9> holstein: I noticed in the window manager that "gnome services" on startup is not checked by default.... my guess is that's why the gnome screensaver stuff isn't working. However, *I* _am_ working, so I can't just log out and log back in now. Will have to try later.
[16:03] <Level_9> wish xtrlock could be enabled after inactivity. it's awesome.
[16:04] <Level_9> that would be the resident NSA monitor's main complaint about it (they complain about everything other than corruption)
[16:07] <Level_9>  is now known as Plan_9_From_Outer_Space
[18:06] <K1rk> I created a customized, branded profile for my organization in Xubuntu.  I am trying to push this profile to users. (wallpapers, panel positions, panel preferences\widgets) etc.
[18:06] <K1rk> When I was on a Gnome environment I could simply cp -R /home/skeluser/* /etc/skel, then create a user with that skel folder and everything was copied.
[18:07] <K1rk> On Xubuntu it seems some preferences, like wallpaper and panels, go back to default for this new user.
[18:07] <K1rk> How can I fix this?
[18:09] <Unit193> .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-desktop.xml for example has the wallpaper, should be another way to set that though.
[18:09] <K1rk> Unit193, I assumed the settings were somewhere in the home directory... that's how it is for everything else.  Thanks for the file path, I will look at that file in a moment...
[18:09] <K1rk> I'm confused as to why a cp -R fails to carry those settings to my new user
[18:11] <K1rk> It looks like my skel user does not have that XML file.
[18:12] <K1rk> Unit193, this is strange.  In /home/skeluser I have the XML file you're talking about.  In the user my skel profile created, that file is missing.
[18:12] <K1rk> Other XML files are present in that folder for the skel user, however
[18:13] <K1rk> Unit193, oh I think I figured out what it did.  This turns out it's not an xubuntu thing... it's that cp -R doesn't copy dotfolders?
[18:13] <Unit193> I was thinking that could be an issue.
[18:13] <K1rk> Unit193, I must've forgotten that part.  :P  It's been a year since we did imaging, so I haven't made a skel in awhile. My bad.
[18:15] <Unit193> I've not actually had to do it this style before, I've only done whole disk.
[18:16] <K1rk> I see what I did differently too.  I believe if I do "cp -R /home/skeluser /etc/skel" it will copy skeluser and all its dotfolders. Then I'll just mv everything up a level. That must be how I did it last year
[18:19] <K1rk> Unit193, thanks for making me realize my mistake.  I got everything working now.
[18:20] <K1rk> https://goput.it/0i9.png  :)
[18:20] <K1rk> Thanks Unit193
[18:21] <Unit193> Great, glad it's working,,
[18:22] <Unit193> So this'll be put on a good deal of the computers there? Cool.
[18:25] <K1rk> Yeah 200 this batch.
[18:25] <K1rk> We have about 400 imaged 10.04.4 LTS with Gnome 2
[18:26] <K1rk> But due to driver issues we can't resolve on the old kernel, we're moving this batch to this.
[18:26] <K1rk> We're making it as Gnome2-ish as possible to eliminate complaints from staff\students
[18:26] <K1rk> Hence the Places applet, and my custom System menu
[18:27] <Unit193> Wow, that's pretty cool, hope it all works out!
[18:27] <K1rk> Unit193, we are going 1 to 1 starting this year. Over the next 4 years, we'll enter 200 netbooks each year into circulation with our incoming freshmen.
[18:28] <K1rk> We've been running Ubuntu 10.04 with Gnome2 on our computer labs and classroom laptops\netbooks for the past year, but we can't get the Latitude 2120 wired NIC working on the 2.6x kernel reliably.
[18:28] <K1rk> That prompted our early move to Xubuntu 12.04 since we are certainly not going Unity
[18:33] <K1rk> Unit193, check this out
[18:34] <K1rk> I made a customized boot splash, I was very proud of this one. :P
[18:34] <K1rk> https://goput.it/aro.jpg
[18:35] <Unit193> Ok, now that's nice.  Doing well with branding the school!
[18:36] <Unit193> (Also, cool for being in Ohio too)
[18:39] <K1rk> Ohio?
[18:39] <K1rk> No Illinois
[18:39] <K1rk> Unit193, I do have one other issue.  I'm not sure where this problem came from.  https://goput.it/1ii.png
[18:40] <K1rk> The menu icons were there before........
[18:41] <K1rk> Unit193, the icons ARE still present for administrator (/home/skeluser, actually I lied slightly about the path to make it more sensible)
[18:41] <K1rk> So it's something that fucked up in the copy to /etc/skel.
[18:41] <Unit193> Right, did you change from Humanity to Humanity-dark?  Could be something to do with .icons
[18:42] <K1rk> Unit193, seems to not matter which icon theme I choose.
[18:42] <Unit193> (Also, we try to keep it family friendly)
[18:42] <K1rk> lol, sorry.
[18:42] <drc> been around teenagers too long :)
[18:43] <K1rk> ^ true that.
[18:43] <Unit193> Should be a direct copy, so don't yet see why it'd be mangled.   Nothing in .icons/ ?
[18:43] <K1rk> drc, didn't even realize I said it.
[18:43] <K1rk> Unit193, .icons does not exist in /home/tecs
[18:43] <K1rk> Let me check administraotr
[18:43] <K1rk> nope, no .icons there either
[18:44] <K1rk> drc, truth be told just because I work in IT doesn't mean I'm old. I'm 19.
[18:47] <K1rk> Unit193, could it be something wrong in .thumbnails?
[18:48] <Unit193> I was thinking more of menucache, or somesuch (Don't think .cache would have it)
[18:48] <K1rk> You know I think I'm just going to copy /home/administrator by making a tarball of it.
[18:48] <K1rk> I must've missed something when I was doing dotfiles
[18:57] <K1rk> Wow, recreating my ske f
[18:57] <K1rk> Whoops. ^
[18:57] <K1rk> Wow, recreating my skel folder did NOT fix the problem.
[18:57] <K1rk> I am now certain all the dotfolders and dotfiles have been copied... I remade the whole skel.
[19:00] <K1rk> Unit193, the only icons missing are the ones for the groups\folders.  All the applications have icons.  And the Office group still has its correct icon.
[19:02] <K1rk> Unit193, also when I go into the Menu Editor, the icons ARE present in that.
[19:03] <K1rk> see: https://goput.it/39d.png
[19:04] <K1rk> ...or not
[19:04] <Unit193> Random guess here, but rebuilding the menu seems like a good idea (update-menus ? ) rather than iconcaceh in that case (update-icon-caches)
[19:04] <K1rk> I must have misread that.
[19:04] <K1rk> update-menus is not a command
[19:05] <K1rk> update-icon-caches is, but doesn't help the problem.
[19:07] <K1rk> Unit193, I reuploaded the file I mislinked to.  https://goput.it/h42.png
[19:07] <Unit193> Odd, I have that command in the "menu" package, but otherwise I don't know on this.
[19:10] <K1rk> Unit193, output of "update TAB" http://gopaste.it/plh6
[19:11] <Unit193> Oh, I trust you on that, just interesting.
[19:12] <Darieto79> I cannot change my cursors in Xubuntu 12.04...and when I do only some animations change
[19:33] <fabster> afdasf
[19:35] <K1rk> fabster: qreqwr
[19:36] <fabster> hehe
[21:10] <xwalk_> Is there a tutorial on connecting to a remote desktop with remmina?
[22:05] <filco> hi
[22:06] <filco> xfce4-terminal -e screen irssi
[22:06] <filco> in start up is not working
[22:06] <filco> without screen works, but with it doesn't
[22:06] <filco> what's up with this command?
[22:07] <Unit193> xfce4-terminal -e "screen irssi"
[22:07] <filco> thanks ill try it
[22:08] <filco> brb rebooting
[22:09] <filco> hm
[22:09] <filco> works, thanks, though the nicklist didn't load up on boot
[22:11] <Unit193> I don't use that script, so I wouldn't know.
[22:15] <filco> done it thanks for your help
[22:19] <Unit193> Sure.
[22:43] <faryshta> How can I modify the volume of XFCE?


[09:32] <CIA-6> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r185 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ (644 files in 22 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[09:35] <CIA-6> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r186 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/po/ubuntu/ (118 files in 12 dirs): Add new translations from Launchpad.
[09:51] <CIA-6> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu: evand * r187 ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 12
[11:00] <CIA-6> casper: evand * r741 lucid/ (debian/changelog scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin): printf does not evaluate escape characters in the argument string.
[11:13] <cjwatson> ev: did you see didrocks' merge proposal for that?
[11:13] <ev> dammit
[11:13] <cjwatson> ev: we were debating the exact right way to do it in bug 505140
[11:14] <cjwatson> 10:41 <cjwatson> didrocks: don't you want a trailing newline on that [daemon]? so echo rather than printf
[11:14] <cjwatson> 10:41 <cjwatson> (from the dept. of pickiness)
[11:14] <ev> I've just uploaded that; could you possibly nuke it (assuming you have the right permissions)
[11:14] <cjwatson> hard to nuke uploads in progress, we can replace it later
[11:15] <ev> sorry about that
[11:15] <cjwatson> nm
[11:17] <CIA-6> casper: evand * r742 lucid/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.213
[11:24] <CIA-6> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1223 ubuntu/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Move to 2.6.32-10 kernels.
[11:28] <CIA-6> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1224 ubuntu/ (46 files in 4 dirs): Update Canonical copyright dates for 2010.
[11:30] <CIA-6> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1225 ubuntu/build/boot/x86/po/lv.po: missed one
[11:32] <CIA-6> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1226 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu78
[16:27] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3646 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): Handle SUDO_USER not being set in copy_network_config.
[16:29] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3647 trunk/scripts/install.py: Unmount in the right order.
[17:13] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3648 trunk/debian/real-po/ (81 files): debconf-updatepo
[17:27] <CIA-6> ubiquity: evand * r3649 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.1.9
[19:28] <CIA-6> usb-creator: superm1 * r257 usb-creator/ (debian/changelog usbcreator/frontends/gtk/frontend.py):
[19:28] <CIA-6> usb-creator: Ensure that the download_dir is really a directory before scanning it for
[19:28] <CIA-6> usb-creator: ISOs to include in the list. Fixes launching usb-creator-gtk as root.


[02:49] <xnox> larsu: where are these "upstart activated indicators" come from? it's completely wrong, since indicator itself has no knoweledge wether it should be running or not.
[02:50] <xnox> larsu: and indeed it should be activate externally, sure it could be dbus activation, or a upstart event / explicit start, or what not. But by no means I should be starting _all_ indicators ever in e.g. ubiquity-dm or lightdm.
[03:01] <ali1234> xnox: bug 1185565
[03:01] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1185565 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Indicators should have Upstart jobs" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185565
[03:03] <xnox> ali1234: it all doen't make any sense. They way upstart works, is that everything is started when it can. But indicators have different profiles/sets depending on the environment (e.g. ubiquity, lightdm, unity, !unity) and thus it's impossible for them to encode a job as to when to start them.
[03:04] <ali1234> *shrug* ask tedg... he coded it all
[03:05] <xnox> ali1234: one shouldn't do that without consultation / consensus. we have vUDS, blueprints, and mailint lists.
[04:28] <xnox> ali1234: i've tested things here and here is the plan: reintroduce xdg-autostart desktop, add xdg-autostart override (if running under upstart), reintroduce dbus activation service file.
[04:28] <xnox> ali1234: once dbus-upstart-activation support lands, one would still need the dbus .service file anyway.
[04:28] <xnox> ali1234: this unbreaks indicators under upstart-less sessions.
[04:29] <ali1234> they all have xdg-autostart files already, and they appear to work under xubuntu (even though it uses upstart anyway)
[04:30] <xnox> ali1234: some of them do not anymore.
[04:30] <xnox> ali1234: i think the point here is that they have been removed upstream, and hence not present on the CD, but e.g. they do work on "upgrades" because the conffile was not properly removed.
[04:31] <xnox> ali1234: can you check if it's owned?
[04:31] <xnox> i agree that xdg-autostart files are probably not strictly required.
[04:33] <ali1234> updating...
[04:35] <ali1234> btw
[04:35] <ali1234> if you are just getting missing indicators, that's probably because the auto-shutdown code is still present
[04:36] <ali1234> so they load up and immediately quit because nothing is ready to use it
[04:36] <xnox> i have something that will use them....
[04:36] <ali1234> "will" - if it doesn't start within 500msec, the service quits
[04:37] <xnox> it is up and using them. but still thanks for the tip.
[04:38] <ali1234> if you put INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes in the environment it stops this behaviour
[04:44] <ali1234> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6538877/
[04:46] <ali1234> the dbus service files for bluetooth, keyboard, messages, printers do appear to be unowned
[04:47] <ali1234> and there's no autostart for them either
[10:13] <larsu> xnox: I agree with you (see my comment on that bug).
[19:34] <robert_ancell> attente, around?
[19:36] <attente> robert_ancell, yep
[19:36] <robert_ancell> attente, have you seen bug 1255558?
[19:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1255558 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Can't type my password after cold boot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1255558
[19:37] <robert_ancell> I was wondering if the indicator-keyboard might be having an effect (i.e. setting a null keyboard layout)
[19:37] <robert_ancell> or g-s-d or something else involved in the keyboard stack
[19:39] <attente> if set_layout isn't called on unity greeter, what layout does it default to at first?
[19:40] <robert_ancell> attente, whatever X does or whatever g-s-d does
[19:40] <robert_ancell> We don't expect to use set_layout in the greeter, we just rely on g-s-d setting up X "correctlyZ"
[19:40] <robert_ancell> - the Z :)
[19:41] <attente> ah, ok
[19:58] <xnox> larsu: i think i'll work something out. e.g. bring back dbus activation, and finally port upstart-dbus-activation such that one can get the upstart benefits yet still dbus-activate.
[22:44] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: ping?
[22:44] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, hello
[22:45] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Hi, Robert!
[22:45] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Have you had a chance to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/lightdm/startup-dialog/+merge/198004 ?
[22:45] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, yes, I saw it - looks good!
[22:45] <robert_ancell> I was going to say it needs the translations, but you already mentioned that
[22:46] <robert_ancell> I was wondering if we should run it past the design team, but I don't think they'll have any major objections. We can always update the text later if that is a problem
[22:46] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: While I think that such an info dialog makes sense as the default behavior, I imagine that some system admins may want to handle it otherwise, so some kind of boolean config option may be advisable.
[22:46] <robert_ancell> yes, that seems likely
[22:46] <Laney> xnox: do that, do it do it do it
[22:46] <robert_ancell> though sysadmins can edit the script if necessary
[22:46] <Laney> bonus if you can get it upstream
[22:47] <robert_ancell> I believe many sysadmins just disable guest account anyway
[22:47] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Right, but then the changes get lost at next upgrade...
[22:47] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, note there is a little bit of a problem with putting UI specific code in lightdm, but I plan to (at some point) split this out into a unity-guest-session package then it wont be a problem
[22:47] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Disabling the guest session feature is another thing.
[22:48] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Are you saying that it cannot be merged at this time?
[22:49] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, actually, thinking about that, it would be nicer to just have a script hook of some sort and then we can have a unity hook that shows the warning
[22:49] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, I think the value of the feature outweighs the downsides
[22:49] <robert_ancell> and we can improve on it later
[22:50] <robert_ancell> with a hook it could be more easily disabled, overridden
[22:52] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Actually, using hooks is what I have been doing in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeGuestSession for quite a while. This proposal simply moves one of those customization ideas into lightdm, in order to make it the default.
[23:03] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: As regards the possibility to disable the info dialog, I just got an idea. Getting back to you later.