[12:07] <davidhouse> installing...
[12:08] <davidhouse> iNiku:
[12:08] <davidhouse> No fonts match `MonospaceXcursor.theme: kubuntu'
[12:08] <davidhouse> still broken here.
[12:08] <iNiku> could that be caused by some settings you have in .emacs or something?
[12:08] <iNiku> in X resources maybe
[12:09] <Infecto> can some one tell me why i cant suspend to ram my laptop using klaptop ?
[12:09] <Infecto> i can do it by root
[12:09] <davidhouse> iNiku: well my .Xresources is "Emacs*font: Monospace"
[12:09] <Infecto> but i cant from user
[12:09] <Infecto> kde 3.5.3
[12:09] <Infecto> 6.06
[12:10] <davidhouse> iNiku: hmmm... but there was no trailling newline. i've added one now, can i tell X to reread the file?
[12:10] <iNiku> davidhouse: xrdb -something... hang on
[12:10] <slow-motion> n8
[12:10] <iNiku> xrdb -merge
[12:11] <iNiku> probably
[12:11] <Dasnipa`> woo woo dapper drake
[12:11] <iNiku> xrdb -merge file
[12:11] <davidhouse> that's either doing something heavy or waiting for input from me
[12:11] <davidhouse> ah
[12:11] <davidhouse> wonderful!
[12:12] <davidhouse> (i now get "no fonts match Monospace", but i can fix that :))
[12:12] <exhale> !adept
[12:12] <ubotu> adept is, like, totally, a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[12:12] <davidhouse> grr...  I have libmad and xine-extracodecs
[12:20] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: in what player?
[12:20] <Blippe> katapult wont start? what to do?
[12:21] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: Well, any. I've tried playing it with amaroK at first, then with Kaffeine and KMPlayer. Nothing.
[12:21] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: got amarok-xine?
[12:22] <davidhouse> by default kaffeine plays through gstreamer and amarok plays through akode or something.
[12:22] <davidhouse> i would expect kmplayer to work, but, hmm.
[12:22] <iNiku> RogueJediX: you've read this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-a57167a3ce442dc52d9b05e46a14503330d4e970
[12:23] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: Yeah, I got that too. And surprisingly enough, amaroK doesn't have the gstreamer option ever since I upgraded to Dapper.
[12:24] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Yeah, I did everything it said. Zilch.
[12:24] <iNiku> you have sound, though?
[12:24] <equinoxeB> sun-java anyone? I don't see it in adept...
[12:24] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Nope.
[12:24] <iNiku> I mean, from other formats?
[12:24] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Nope. oggs and flacs won't play either
[12:25] <iNiku> do you hear anything if you try aplay /dev/urandom?
[12:25] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Only silence.
[12:25] <iNiku> that means your mp3 playback is not broken
[12:25] <equinoxeB> amarok uses xine...
[12:25] <K|NgGh0sT> How can I edit what stuff is in my Kmenu?
[12:25] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: open up KMix. head onto Switches and uncheck External Amplifier.
[12:25] <davidhouse> K|NgGh0sT: right click, menu editor
[12:26] <iNiku> your entire sound support is broken, somehow
[12:26] <equinoxeB> you need to install libxine-extracodecs
[12:26] <heinrich>  i am just configuring apache but i do not know what kind of group me as a user is in this linux system
[12:26] <iNiku> RogueJediX: also check in KMix that master and pcm are enabled (not muted) and their volume is turned up
[12:27] <jorgp> RogueJediX, if its amarok 1.4 then use xine because gstreamer support was removed and may return in 1.4.1
[12:27] <iNiku> let's get his audio working first, then worry about mp3
[12:27] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: Can't find External Amplifier in Switches section
[12:27] <Sanne> heinrich, type groups in a terminal, you get the groups you belong to.
[12:28] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Both are maxed out. Am I in trouble or what?
[12:28] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: what can you find?
[12:28] <iNiku> RogueJediX: and the "green leds" are lit?
[12:29] <Sanne> heinrich, the user apache runs under is usually www-data
[12:29] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Yup
[12:29] <heinrich> yes i see and i should not change it?
[12:30] <jeroenvrp> does anyone know something about qemu
[12:30] <jeroenvrp> I try to load the desktop-iso, but it always fails
[12:30] <Sanne> heinrich, (please type my nick so I get alerted when you reply) I didn't need to change anything after setting up apache, as far as I can remember.
[12:30] <iNiku> RogueJediX: try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[12:30] <heinrich> ok
[12:31] <jeroenvrp> it is stuck at the line: enabling passive release, etc...
[12:31] <heinrich> Sanne you are from germany#?
[12:31] <iNiku> RogueJediX: something might be using your OSS sound device and blocking everything else
[12:31] <Sanne> heinrich, yep :)
[12:31] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: 3D Control Switch - off, Mic Boost - off, some IEC switches, mostly off except for the "5V", "In Monitor" and "analog" one, PC Speaker playnack - off, Exchange DAC - on, Four channel mode - on
[12:32] <BioVorE> Anyone useing konqueror in kubuntu 6.06 with comviz enable notice that when konqueror losses focus, it gose translucent.. but will not go untranslucent.  All the other apps seem to work correctly.. There a problem in how konqueror notifies about having focus?
[12:32] <jeroenvrp> I'm using the command: qemu -cdrom kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso -boot d -m 256
[12:32] <exhale> when is kde 3.5.3 going to be available in the repos?
[12:32] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Still waiting for it to spit something back out
[12:32] <iNiku> RogueJediX: okay, so it gives no errors and no sound?
[12:32] <heinrich> Sanne i am from Berlin
[12:32] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Precisely.
[12:32] <iNiku> RogueJediX: okay, then it wasn't that
[12:33] <jorgp> exhale, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[12:33] <RogueJediX> iNiku: And I know my speakers and sound card work, 'cause I tested them out on the windows partition
[12:33] <Sanne> heinrich, I'm in Schleswig-Holstein
[12:33] <iNiku> RogueJediX: cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:33] <iNiku> do you see more than one card there?
[12:33] <heinrich> Sanne you programm?
[12:33] <heinrich> are you a freelancer?
[12:34] <Dasnipa`> ish ein die freelance
[12:34] <Sanne> heinrich, a little, but... we#re getting offtopic, it's just too busy here...
[12:34] <iNiku> busy? try #ubuntu :)
[12:34] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Yeah, two. The first one is mine (CMI8738) and there's also something called UART
[12:34] <Sanne> iNiku, I did, then I came here for air ;)
[12:34] <iNiku> Sanne: I hear you :D
[12:34] <heinrich> Sanne, ok
[12:34] <Sanne> iNiku :)
[12:34] <The_Vox> anybody a 64bit user here?
[12:35] <heinrich> ?
[12:35] <iNiku> RogueJediX: wonder what the second one is... hopefully all the players are not trying to use that by default
[12:36] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Should I paste the entire thing to pastebin?
[12:36] <iNiku> but I guess card 0 is used by default and that's the correct one, right?
[12:36] <RogueJediX> iNiku: I would hope so.
[12:36] <iNiku> I doubt I'll be able to help you, I'm not much of an alsa guru
[12:36] <RogueJediX> Dang.
[12:37] <iNiku> but yeah, pastebin it, I'll take a look
[12:37] <RogueJediX> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/752349
[12:37] <iNiku> ahh.. the second one is MIDI stuff
[12:38] <iNiku> so, yeah, the problem is not there
[12:38] <RogueJediX> Oh.
[12:38] <iNiku> for some people it will default to the microphone on their webcam or something like that
[12:38] <RogueJediX> What ticks me off the most is that I can see amaroK playing files without errors, but don't hear a peep
[12:39] <iNiku> what kind of a sound card is it?
[12:39] <RogueJediX> Hercules Muse XL
[12:39] <iNiku> integrated or PCI or something?
[12:40] <RogueJediX> PCI
[12:40] <iNiku> on some audio chipsets the connections are routed dynamically so in theory it could be using the wrong connector for output
[12:42] <iNiku> the audio stuff integrated on my motherboard is like that, you can basically plug anything anywhere and just tell the driver what's what
[12:42] <RogueJediX> iNiku: So I should plug the speakers somewhere else and see if I can't hear something?
[12:43] <iNiku> RogueJediX: it does seem rather unlikely but that's the only thing I can think of right now...
[12:43] <iNiku> if you're sure the mixer settings are OK
[12:44] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Done. Nothing happened other than me getting worried a little bit more
[12:45] <Sanne> RogueJediX, iNiku, maybe you already covered that, but is it confirmed that the sound card driver is loaded?
[12:46] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Here's a noobish question: How do I do that?
[12:46] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: i had a really similar problem where it just seemed the entire system was mutes. as i said, that switch in KMix fixed it for me. from what you were describing i don't think you were looking at KMix, so try launching that explicity from a run dialogue
[12:46] <davidhouse> if you're short of ideas, that is
[12:47] <iNiku> RogueJediX: do what?
[12:47] <iNiku> yeah, I'd check kmix once more and make sure you really have the mute buttons set right... the green leds for master and pcm should be lit (=clearly brighter than the other unlit ones)
[12:48] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Confirm that my sound card driver is loaded
[12:48] <iNiku> it is since it's shown in /proc/asound/cards
[12:49] <RogueJediX> Well, master doesn't have any leds, only a slider, which is maxed out and PCM in the Input section is lit and maxed out as well
[12:49] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: are you looking at KAMix or KMIx?
[12:49] <Sanne> iNiku, RogueJediX, ah yes, I see it's the driver CMI8738 (as listed at alsa-project.org for this card). RogueJediX, generally you look what modules are loaded with the command lspci.
[12:50] <DaveQB> since upgrading to Dapper, auto mounting and the popup windows is not happening for removable media.  Anybody else ?
[12:50] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: kmix. Typed in in the CLI
[12:50] <iNiku> Sanne: no you don't, you use lsmod
[12:50] <Sanne> iNiku, oh... not?
[12:50] <Sanne> iNiku, I'm dumb
[12:50] <iNiku> Sanne: lspci shows what PCI devices are installed
[12:50] <davidhouse> DaveQB: works great for me
[12:50] <Sanne> iNiku, of course. RogueJediX, don't listen to me.
[12:51] <DaveQB> davidhouse: hmmm is your udev service started ? Mine isnt
[12:51] <iNiku> hehe
[12:51] <Sanne> :)
[12:51] <davidhouse> DaveQB: i plugged my usb stick in and got a lovely little dialogue box asking me whether i wanted to view its files or do nothing
[12:51] <iNiku> RogueJediX: KMix should show green leds above the sliders
[12:51] <davidhouse> DaveQB: also my usb mouse & keyboard worked first time
[12:51] <DaveQB> davidhouse: yeah thats what I used to get on Breezy
[12:52] <iNiku> RogueJediX: and it's the output section we are interested in
[12:52] <DaveQB> davidhouse: actually my mouse is usb, no problems there. But was in during bootup
[12:52] <crazy_penguin> good night! pleasent dreams to everybody!
[12:52] <RogueJediX> iNiku: The output section only has one led, the one over Phone and it's lit
[12:52] <DaveQB> oh, starting udev fails, this could be a problem me thinks
[12:52] <argpirate> does kubuntu have a printer setup utility?
[12:52] <iNiku> hmm, weird
[12:52] <DaveQB> argpirate: kprinter
[12:53] <Sanne> iNiku, RogueJediX, another idea: are you in the audio group (you should be by default, I guess)?
[12:53] <iNiku> RogueJediX: open up a terminal and run alsamixer
[12:53] <iNiku> Sanne: he can access the audio devices
[12:53] <iNiku> there's just no sound
[12:53] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Done.
[12:53] <iNiku> RogueJediX: you can move around with the cursor keys and mute and unmute channels with m
[12:53] <argpirate> thanks
[12:53] <Sanne> iNiku, ok
[12:53] <iNiku> do you see master and pcm there?
[12:54] <argpirate> i think the only think missing from kubuntu/ubuntu is a nice control panel type affiar
[12:54] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Yup. master doesn't have the option to be muted and PCM isn't muted to begin with
[12:54] <iNiku> okay, just wanted to make sure
[12:54] <ctothej> is there a graphical interface to kill processes?
[12:55] <ctothej> i have one that is hanging..
[12:55] <DaveQB> argpirate: ummm System Settings in the Kmenu not what your talking about ?
[12:55] <DaveQB> ctothej: ksysguard
[12:55] <RogueJediX> ctothej: xkill
[12:55] <RogueJediX> Or that
[12:55] <DaveQB> or that ^
[12:55] <DaveQB> :)
[12:55] <ctothej> xkill just sent my desktop black
[12:55] <argpirate> DaveQB, yeah thats an alright menu but it doesnt have some stuff
[12:55] <iNiku> RogueJediX: and at the top where it says "Item: Master", there's no [Off] ?
[12:55] <argpirate> kprinter for example is not there
[12:55] <Riddell> eric_p: hi
[12:56] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Nope
[12:56] <eric_p> Riddell: do you remember the kubuntu-fr project ?
[12:56] <DaveQB> argpirate: yeah hopefully it gets bigger in future releases, but printer setup is in there though
[12:56] <argpirate> ah
[12:56] <eric_p> Riddell:  the site was released today, if you want to have a look...
[12:56] <argpirate> not in mine
[12:56] <iNiku> RogueJediX: then I really don't know :/
[12:56] <pekay> anyone can help me with why amaroK doesnt build my collection?
[12:56] <argpirate> mine was an "upgrade" from ubuntu though so my menus might be a bit off
[12:56] <eric_p> Riddell: www.kubuntu-fr.org
[12:56] <heinrich> bye all
[12:56] <Sanne> bye heinrich
[12:57] <iNiku> RogueJediX: oh, do you have an .asoundrc file in your home dir?
[12:57] <heinrich> :o)
[12:57] <Riddell> eric_p: excellent
[12:57] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Nuh-uh
[12:57] <McScruff> whats a good replacement for gnomes evolution
[12:57] <iNiku> damn
[12:57] <iNiku> I'm out of ideas then
[12:58] <exhale> McScruff: thunderbird?
[12:58] <McScruff> omg iNiku never sleeps , always helping
[12:58] <argpirate> DaveQB, but yeah i think it will get better also, ubuntu is pretty young yet, and debian has no tool like that either, i hear they are trying to port yast2
[12:58] <iNiku> McScruff: don't worry, I will in a minute :)
[12:58] <RogueJediX> iNiku: So, there should be a led above the master slider?
[12:58] <argpirate> its really the only thing i miss from mandriva
[12:58] <iNiku> McScruff: did you get your screen res sorted out?
[12:58] <eric_p> Riddell: it's not 100% finished (doc will be released soon), but i'm happy you like it ;)
[12:58] <iNiku> RogueJediX: there is on both of my systems but I guess on some audio hardware there won't be
[12:58] <McScruff> iNiku: i used the 915resolution in the end, dirty hack but it works
[12:58] <Riddell> eric_p: I'll put up an announcement tomorrow on kubuntu.org
[12:59] <lengau> McScruff: I personally like Kontact
[12:59] <DaveQB> argpirate: hopefully make it faster
[12:59] <iNiku> McScruff: okay... did the system settings -> display thing do anything at all?
[12:59] <DaveQB> arrrr seems udev is fubared after the dapper upgrade here, bugger!
[12:59] <eric_p> Riddell: great! yann put a link on the locoteam page on the wiki
[01:00] <argpirate> DaveQB, in my experince the only real slowness is with the package manager in yast2, i hear its not really slow perse its a bug making it slow
[01:00] <McScruff> iNiku: naa, i tryed a few diff settings but none worked
[01:00] <DaveQB> argpirate: ahh well that would do it
[01:00] <Sanne> RogueJediX, just to be sure everything's ok, if it's not too much hassle, I'd like to look at your output of lsmod. Wanna paste it quick?
[01:00] <argpirate> and really the ubuntu package managers are way better than yast2's incarnation
[01:00] <DaveQB> argpirate: damn straight, big reason I came from Mandrake
[01:00] <RogueJediX> Sanne: Coming up
[01:01] <DaveQB> ok so whats responsible for mounting removalable media , anyone ?
[01:01] <argpirate> urpmi isnt to bad, i think apt-get is better though
[01:01] <DaveQB> it seems my /dev entries are being created, but I have to manually mount the dev myself, no more popup :( :( :(
[01:01] <iNiku> McScruff: okay... good to know
[01:01] <DaveQB> argpirate: yeah urpmi is better then alot, just not apt-get
[01:02] <RogueJediX> Sanne: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/752392
[01:02] <lengau> in my experience (yast, urpmi, yum, emerge, apt, etc etc.) Apt is the best system out there.
[01:02] <bleaked> so by default, the linux-image-386 package is installed.  would it be worth updating to the 686 set?  and if so, what's the preferred method, purging the 386 set and installing 686?
[01:02] <Sanne> RogueJediX, looking...
[01:02] <lengau> bleaked:I just installed the K7 and left 386.
[01:02] <Steven_M> What does LTS stand for when the talk about the new kubuntu cd?
[01:02] <lengau> Long term Support
[01:03] <Steven_M> thanks :)
[01:03] <lengau> :)
[01:04] <Steven_M> see you all later
[01:04] <lengau> bye Steven
[01:04] <argpirate> DaveQB, yeah if i could have ubuntu plus MCC i would be a happy camper
[01:04] <lengau> Who here is going to upgrade to Edgy as soon as it's released?
[01:04] <DaveQB> argpirate: yeah your right there ;)
[01:06] <misterfishhat> hello
[01:06] <Sanne> RogueJediX, seems ok (unfortunately...), snd_cmipci and soundcore is there. I guess you already checked the ubuntu wiki about sound problems? There are some pages, if I remember correctly.
[01:07] <misterfishhat> i borked my install and now when i log in all i get is a textonly login and i dont know how to change it
[01:08] <RogueJediX> Sanne: I think so. Could you trouble you for the link so I can make sure?
[01:08] <lengau> misterfishhat:can you start X from the command line?
[01:08] <Sanne> RogueJediX, sure, sec
[01:08] <omega> Adept says that I won't be able to change/install software since there's something keeping the file locked, but I checked and there are no other versions of adept running. How do I fix this?
[01:09] <misterfishhat> lengau: yes
[01:09] <Sanne> RogueJediX, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetupSoundCards and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems look promising.
[01:10] <lengau> misterfishhat: are you starting KDM from the command line that way?
[01:10] <RogueJediX> Sanne: Thanks. I don't think I've seen the second one
[01:10] <misterfishhat> lengau: i tried
[01:10] <Sanne> RogueJediX :)
[01:11] <lengau> misterfishhat: what does it say?
[01:11] <DaveQB> does everyone have autofs installed ?
[01:11] <misterfishhat> lengau: it says it started but mhen i logout it goes io the terminal like before
[01:11] <DaveQB> I havent, but do not know if this is my issue
[01:11] <s-king> kmix always starts on the default session, anyone know how to disable this. Closing it and save the current session doesnt fix it
[01:12] <DaveQB> oh HAL is not installed!! I wonder how this happened, I am pretty sure I had it before.
[01:12] <lengau> hmm... when you type 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start' it says it's already started? Does it go to a login screen or straight to the desktop?
[01:14] <misterfishhat> it ;ays its started
[01:14] <DaveQB> ahh dbus is not installed either! what happened here during the upgrade
[01:15] <DaveQB> is that default in dapper ??  To not have HAL and dbus ???
[01:15] <lengau> misterfishhat: Does it go to a login screen or the desktop?
[01:15] <misterfishhat> text login
[01:15] <DaveQB> can anyone see my text ?
[01:16] <lengau> after you type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:16] <lengau> DaveQB: Yes
[01:16] <DaveQB> oh ok, thanx
[01:16] <misterfishhat> lengau: yes
[01:17] <lengau> misterfishhat: Just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly: you start up your computer. It goes to a text login. you log in and type 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start' and it goes back to a text login?
[01:17] <lengau> that doesn't sound right.
[01:17] <misterfishhat> it says kdm already started then back to text
[01:18] <lengau> okay. What about if you replace start with stop?
[01:19] <kronoz> !easysource
[01:19] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:19] <misterfishhat> lengau: ill give it a shot
[01:19] <lengau> misterfishhat: No
[01:19] <lengau> That'll stop your Graphical display
[01:20] <misterfishhat> lengau: im in my ubuntu live cd now
[01:21] <lengau> oh okay.
[01:21] <TheFuzzball> hello, how do I upgrade to the official Kubuntu 6.06 release? I am currently using Flight 6, how do I upgrade?
[01:22] <misterfishhat> lengau: do you know how to mount my ubuntu partition with the live cd?
[01:22] <dereks_> does anyone have vmware-player running on dapper using their packages?
[01:22] <misterfishhat> lengau: it claims that its busy
[01:23] <TheFuzzball> hello, how do I upgrade to the official Kubuntu 6.06 release? I am currently using Flight 6, how do I upgrade?
[01:24] <ubuntu> trying to install kubuntu and while it starts the partitioner it says 'critical error during ped_disk_new!' any way to fix this?
[01:24] <lengau> sudo umount /dev/hda1 (assuming your ubuntu partition is hda1) and then sudo mount -t (partition type here) /dev/hda1 /media/hda1
[01:24] <misterfishhat> TheFuzzball: sudo atp-get update & sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:24] <NthDegree> ubuntu: use the alternate install CD if the desktop version is not working
[01:25] <ubuntu> i tried that one forst
[01:25] <ubuntu> first
[01:25] <TheFuzzball> ta
[01:25] <permanewb> I don't seem to be able to connect to source-o-matic. Is there another way to determine the correct sources.list lines? apt-get fails to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[01:26] <dereks_> i am getting this error when i try to install vmware: http://pastebin.com/752415   any suggestions
[01:26] <misterfishhat> lengau: it says not mounted yet when i try to mount it it says its already mounted
[01:27] <TheFuzzball> misterfishhat, will I need to reboot?
[01:27] <lengau> hmm... I don't know...
[01:27] <TopSlack> seems like the partiton table on the drive is messed up
[01:27] <lengau> that's really weird.
[01:28] <lengau> yeah.
[01:28] <lengau> it does.
[01:28] <TopSlack> hey dereks_ - run vmware-config
[01:28] <misterfishhat> lengau: its a logical part.
[01:29] <TheFuzzball> how do I check what version of Kubuntu I have?
[01:29] <misterfishhat> lengau:and when i check it in the live cds partitioner it says its unformatted
[01:30] <misterfishhat> when i know it is formatted
[01:30] <lengau> Does anyone know how to force dependencies to reinstall with the apt reinstall option?
[01:30] <lengau> misterfishhat: fsck /dev/hda1
[01:30] <lengau> just to make sure the disc is properly working.
[01:31] <lengau> *working is supposed to be formatted
[01:31] <TheFuzzball> how do I check what version of Kubuntu I have?
[01:31] <lengau> TheFuzzball: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:31] <lengau> oops
[01:31] <pestilence> TheFuzzball, cat /etc/issue
[01:31] <Blippe> katapult dies instantly (don't appear with ps -A). What should i do?
[01:32] <lengau> pesilence: thanks. I didn't know that existed.
[01:32] <lengau> I was going to have him grep the sources.
[01:33] <lengau> Blippie: what happens when you run from a command line?
[01:33] <dereks_> hmm, no one has vmware-player workin?
[01:33] <TheFuzzball> pestilence, what means Ubuntu 6.06 LTS \n \l ? especially the "\n \l" bit
[01:33] <Blippe> it starts, and don't directly dies, but alt-space doesn't do anything.
[01:33] <_bon> could i install xubunntu over the network i have run out cds ?
[01:34] <lengau> Blippie: does the system tray icon come up?
[01:34] <pestilence> TheFuzzball, disregard that.
[01:34] <TheFuzzball> pestilence, okay
[01:34] <Blippe> lengau, no, no new trays, just klipper and the battery meter.
[01:34] <pestilence> TheFuzzball, the important part is before those special characters
[01:35] <TheFuzzball> ok
[01:35] <TheFuzzball> thanks
[01:35] <pestilence> sure
[01:35] <lengau> Blippie: what about as another user?
[01:35] <Blippe> lengua, you on win, ubuntu or another linux distro??
[01:36] <Blippe> lengau, i just have one user, what's the quickest way to try? root?
[01:36] <lengau> Blippie: NEVER log in as root.
[01:36] <pestilence> Blippe, no, add a user.  (adduser)
[01:36] <kronoz> wow, really impressed with krita
[01:36] <_bon> i have to computers one with kubuntu and the other is quite old with ubuntu could i install xubuntu on the ubuntu machine over the network
[01:36] <_bon> or ubuntulite
[01:36] <lengau> Blippie: Kubuntu Dapper
[01:37] <Blippe> lengau, was a wee bit quick there, did a kdesu katapult, did work
[01:37] <pestilence> _bon, what version of ubuntu
[01:37] <_bon> 10.5
[01:37] <pestilence> _bon, it is possible, but if it is warty or hoary, it might get hairy
[01:37] <lengau> blippie: okay, then you need to remove your Katapult settings (must have got messed up somehow. That's what's causing the crash, I think)
[01:37] <pestilence> _bon, do you mean 5.10?
[01:37] <ryanakca> how do you reset iptables?
[01:38] <_bon> yeah sorry
[01:38] <Blippe> lengua, excellent, been looking for them :D
[01:38] <pestilence> _bon, then just look at the instructions for upgrading to dapper
[01:38] <Blippe> where do i find them?
[01:38] <pestilence> _bon, and install xubuntu-desktop, and remove ubuntu-desktop
[01:39] <pestilence> _bon, if the xubuntu-desktop package exists in 5.10, i would install it prior to upgrading
[01:39] <_bon> where who9uld i fine the repositries xunbuntu
[01:39] <lengau> Blippie: are they in ~/.kde/share/apps/katapult?
[01:39] <pestilence> _bon, they should be the same as ubuntu
[01:39] <_bon> ok
[01:40] <Blippe> pestilence, i think it would be wiser to upgrade first (he won't be able to get rid of all of gnome, and upgrading tons of extra gnome-debs would just be a pain)
[01:40] <Blippe> lengau, nope, they're not there
[01:40] <lengau> Blippie: weird... hang on, I'll look
[01:40] <pestilence> Blippe, upgrading first will upgrade all of those gnome-debs, won't it?
[01:41] <pestilence> Blippe, i'm suggesting that he remove ubuntu-desktop prior to upgrading
[01:41] <Blippe> pestilence, :D sorry
[01:42] <Sanne> Blippe, xubuntu-desktop in breezy is in universe
[01:42] <sampan> yikes my upgrade to dapper just broke after downloading all the debs ... any suggestions on next step?
[01:42] <pestilence> sampan, apt-get install -f
[01:42] <sampan> pestilence  what does that do exactly?
[01:42] <pestilence> sampan, tries to restart where it left off
[01:43] <pestilence> -f = fix
[01:43] <sampan> and if that fails too?
[01:43] <jorgp> wow, that install did not go well
[01:43] <pestilence> sampan, first things first
[01:43] <pestilence> sampan, run apt-get install -f
[01:43] <pestilence> it's not a dangerous command
[01:44] <jorgp> how do I change resolution on desktop cd, it starts in 640x480 mode and I can not see the buttons to push
[01:44] <jorgp> bootup
[01:45] <sampan> pestilence  okay -- well it's spitting out a bunch of stuff ... now redoing locales -- during the download phase there was one file that it didn't download. error msg on: libaudio2 1.7-3ubuntu3
[01:45] <[knap] > hi, by mistake i deleted my xorg.conf file and don't have a backup, my x is still running can i ''build it''?
[01:45] <word> WHat does this error mean? - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/750974
[01:47] <lengau> Blippie: I don't know. I can't find it.
[01:47] <Sanne> [knap] , I believe (please, others correct me if I'm wrong), you could reconfigure the xserver and generate a new config file with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:47] <kronoz> word:  what caused that error?
[01:48] <kronoz> word: where you trying to install nvidia drivers?
[01:48] <word> kronoz: First I got an input error for device 169..then I was told by imbrandon to remove the tablet pc entries in xorg.conf..after that I get this error whenever I run an app from terminal.
[01:49] <kronoz> :/ i dunno then
[01:49] <[knap] > Sanne it's working i'm going to re-configure it now
[01:49] <[knap] > thanks
[01:49] <Sanne> [knap] , you're welcome
[01:49] <pestilence> sampan, i would just keep running it until you get the same error consistenly
[01:50] <pestilence> sampan, sometimes dependencies cause errors that fix themselves
[01:50] <pestilence> sampan, through repeated apt-get install -f 's
[01:50] <sampan> pestilence  k -- so far so good -- lots and lots of scroll and no errors that i can see -- so i'm crossing my fingers and praying :D
[01:50] <kronoz> !easysource
[01:50] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:50] <sampan> it's rebuilding the database right now ... "This may take some time."
[01:51] <james_xxx> roughly how large should the kubuntu CD be? lol
[01:51] <pestilence> james_xxx, 700 megs
[01:52] <james_xxx> lol the image i downloaded is like 200 MB
[01:52] <james_xxx> it must have timed out or something
[01:52] <pestilence> james_xxx, that's not it.
[01:52] <pestilence> james_xxx, i would use the torrent.  that is re-startable
[01:52] <pestilence> james_xxx, and probably faster, given the load the servers are under right now
[01:52] <Blippe> lengau, i'm starting to think it was never meant to be :D
[01:52] <james_xxx> i do not know how to use torrent, but it is time i learned
[01:53] <sampan> pestilence  now it's asking about Configuration file `/etc/qt3/qtrc' and whether i want to keep my current version (changed by a script or me?!?) or use the updated one -- i presume the updated one?
[01:53] <pestilence> james_xxx, indeed.  it's not that hard.
[01:53] <lengau> Blippie: try sudo aptitude purge katapult;sudo aptitude install katapult
[01:53] <lengau> As one last option.
[01:53] <pestilence> sampan, if you don't know what it is, i'd say take the new one
[01:53] <sampan> k -- your guess -must- be better than my guess ;D
[01:54] <sampan> <--- newb
[01:54] <Blippe> lengau, done that too
[01:54] <pestilence> sampan, well, it is usually a good thing to at least look at the diffs
[01:54] <kronoz> wget -c can also continue
[01:54] <pestilence> sampan, half the time there is nothing important changed anyways
[01:54] <lengau> Blippie: which Alt key have you been using?
[01:54] <lengau> try the other one.
[01:55] <sampan> pestilence  hope so -- it's too late to look at anything now since i said to change it (i know i've never touched that file, so some script must have)
[01:55] <pestilence> :-D
[01:55] <Blippe> left one, the one that works when i started katapult with sudo
[01:56] <SkrotFFS> Hi. I just installed kubuntu 6.06 and upon playing movies with mplayer -vo xv I get "xv: could not grab the port 73". I've got a ATi card and official ATi-drivers
[01:56] <lengau> Blippie: I don;t know then. sorry.
[01:56] <Blippe> np
[01:57] <lengau> Blippie: I'll look into it and see if I can find something.
[01:57] <lengau> but right now I have to go.
[01:57] <_bon> pestilence: theres no xubuntu files in the ubuntu 5.10 repostires
[01:57] <lengau> bye
[01:57] <pestilence> SkrotFFS, is that the exact error message?
[01:57] <pestilence> _bon, yea, it's in universe in 5.10
[01:57] <pestilence> !universe
[01:57] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[01:57] <SkrotFFS> pestilence: yes
[01:58] <_bon> ok cheers
[01:58] <ron_> i am fairly new to linux and entirely new to kde... that being said, how do i get my printer to work?
[01:58] <pestilence> SkrotFFS, that's a weird one.
[01:58] <SkrotFFS> pestilence: I agree
[01:58] <RogueJediX> Which package do I have to dpkg-reconfigure to set up my sound card properly? I may have screwed something up during the upgrade
[01:58] <pestilence> ron_, alt+f2, type kcontrol, look under peripherals, it's quite easy
[01:59] <sampan> pestilence  well it finished and only errors now were unable to stat package lists from PLF and cipherpunk ... so i guess it's reboot time?!?
[01:59] <pestilence> sampan, dunno what plf and cipherpunk are, but sure! why not.
[02:00] <sampan> just non-ubuntu repos (penguin liberation front, etc.) for some multimedia debs
[02:00] <zerjillo> Hi all
[02:01] <zerjillo> can anyone help me with a problem with kubuntu 6.06, an ibook and the keyboard (apple key)?
[02:01] <zerjillo> i have just installed kubuntu 6.06 but the apple key is not working
[02:01] <zerjillo> any hint on how to solve it?
[02:02] <godlkwrth> that may be the expected behavior
[02:02] <zerjillo> well i need it in order to write some characters (the "at" symbol).
[02:02] <zerjillo> I'm with an spanish keyboard
[02:03] <zerjillo> and in the previous version of kubuntu it did work
[02:03] <godlkwrth> oh
[02:03] <ron_> umm.  do i add printer/class or special/pseudo printer?  it is connected to my usb port on this puter
[02:04] <zerjillo> i've seen answers about this but for previous versions of ubuntu (without k)
[02:06] <kkathman> zerjillo have you tried the regional settings?
[02:06] <zerjillo> yes...
[02:06] <zerjillo> i have tried many different settings
[02:06] <zerjillo> but no way
[02:07] <pestilence> ron_, the first.
[02:07] <kkathman> zerjillo:  kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout ??
[02:07] <dipnlik> hi all. what is VmSize in the Process Table?
[02:07] <kkathman> zerjillo:  also look at the Country/Region & Language
[02:07] <zerjillo> yes kkathman
[02:07] <zerjillo> i'm there
[02:08] <zerjillo> and i have selected Spain (es)
[02:08] <zerjillo> also tried several keyboard models
[02:08] <zerjillo> and every key is in the right position for an spanish keyboard
[02:08] <kkathman> zerjillo:  and you set the Country/Region & Languages to Spain ?
[02:08] <zerjillo> bu the "apple key" (alt-gr) is not working
[02:09] <zerjillo> yes kkathman
[02:09] <kkathman> ohh lol apple :)
[02:09] <zerjillo> i have change everything to spain
[02:09] <zerjillo> yeah kkathman :-)
[02:09] <kkathman> not sure about that one
[02:09] <zerjillo> i'm on an ibook
[02:09] <zerjillo> thats the problem
[02:09] <ron_> thats whtat i thouught. thanks.  but when i get to the printer model selection hp is listed but not my model.  what do i do in that case?
[02:09] <kkathman> thats typically a special mapd
[02:09] <zerjillo> the funny thing is that more than a year ago i installed kubuntu and i managed to get it right...
[02:09] <zerjillo> but not now
[02:09] <kkathman> zerjillo:  you might need to go to the Keyboard mapping or the schortcuts
[02:10] <zerjillo> where can i change the keyboard mapping?
[02:10] <kkathman> zerjillo:  look at the shortcuts
[02:10] <kkathman> you should be able to map that key to whatever you want
[02:10] <zerjillo> ok
[02:11] <pestilence> ron_, you might try the closest model to it, or go on the web and download the driver (should be on the cups website)
[02:11] <kkathman> be sure to look at the "Modfier Keys"
[02:11] <kkathman> that might help also
[02:11] <kkathman> sampan! hey :)P
[02:11] <zerjillo> i see the modifier keys tab
[02:11] <zerjillo> but i cannot change them
[02:11] <ron_> thanx pestilence i will try that
[02:12] <sampan> hey kkathman :)
[02:12] <kkathman> sampan long time no see my friend :)
[02:13] <sampan> kkathman yeah, i've been stuck in my books and not paying much attention in here :)
[02:13] <kkathman> sampan:  understand that :)
[02:13] <sampan> unfortunately, the upgrade to dapper has left me with a busted X ... seems the nvidia drivers weren't upgraded
[02:13] <kkathman> sampan:  did you install or try to dist-upgrade from breezy?
[02:14] <HTRednek> Hi, forgive the noob question, I'm trying to find a comparision between ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu.  I am assuming its just a difference in the window manager.  Correct?
[02:14] <sampan> kkathman  dist-upgrade (through adept actually)
[02:15] <mongey> anyone wanna seed the 64bit dvd ?
[02:15] <kkathman> HTRednek:  somewhat... ubuntu uses Gnome, kubuntu uses KDE and xubuntu uses XFCE (a scaled back Gnome)
[02:15] <kosh> umm xfce is not related to gnome
[02:15] <xanadia> Hello
[02:15] <kkathman> sampan:  should be easy to fix... just replace nvidia with nv in your x config
[02:16] <sampan> kkathman  is it as simple as apt-get-ing the nvidia-glx package?
[02:16] <xanadia> someone help me?
[02:16] <kkathman> that will get you operational until you reload the nvidia driver
[02:16] <HTRednek> ok, i was kinda gathering that.are there any other major differences in the distros?
[02:16] <sampan> kkathman  yeah ... which file is that x config in again??  lol (been too long since i thought about system files on here)
[02:16] <kkathman> HTRednek:  not really... the core is the same... in ubuntu and xubuntu you will be working with Gnome apps, while in kubuntu you will be working with KDE apps
[02:16] <mongey> anyone?
[02:17] <mongey> Current Downstream: 15.89 KBytes/s
[02:17] <linuxrebel> it's in etc X11 xorg.conf sampan
[02:17] <sampan> also puzzling is that when i logged in on text mode the login was still labeled as Breezy Badger
[02:17] <JavaGeek> mmm... how can i find what packages are available for kubuntu?
[02:17] <sampan> thanks linuxrebel
[02:17] <kkathman> sampan: etc/x11/xorg.conf I believe
[02:17] <HTRednek> kkathman: thank you, thats what I was looking for.
[02:17] <kkathman> HTRednek:  no prob
[02:18] <iwilcox> Does Ubuntu ship with no MTA by default?  I don't see one installed.
[02:18] <kkathman> oops too late...thanks linuxrebel :)
[02:18] <linuxrebel> No problem kkathman.... I've been cursing at copies of it all day today.....
[02:19] <kkathman> linuxrebel:  hehe
[02:19] <sampan> k, well gonna try rebooting (had my slave drive fail now too -- so might be fiddling with that as well here in a moment)
[02:19] <linuxrebel> good luck sampan.
[02:19] <sampan> thanks -- i think i need it ;/
[02:21] <linuxrebel> Just curious the site talks about an Xconfig tool called Guidance.... what package is that in?
[02:22] <JavaGeek> between the irc channel, the forum and the mailing lists, which one is the best to find solutions?
[02:23] <dipnlik> hi all. is it tru that kopete and amarok each one consumes over 100MB of RAM?
[02:24] <vinboy> it could be for amarok
[02:24] <vinboy> but 100mb isn't alot
[02:24] <Bilford> virtual memory
[02:24] <vinboy> but then it is unlikely
[02:25] <dipnlik> vinboy: 100MB isn't a lot? WOW
[02:25] <Bilford> virtual memory
[02:25] <linuxrebel> Kopete on mine is only using like about 10mb ... (6 IM connections)
[02:25] <dipnlik> well, maybe i'm worng. i'm looking at the process table (ctrl esc)
[02:25] <Bilford> I could be wrong, but I think virtual memory is a lot different than normal memory
[02:26] <Bilford> what column are you looking at
[02:26] <linuxrebel> err make that 1mb 0.1% not 1.0%
[02:26] <dipnlik> Bilford: VmSize
[02:26] <Bilford> Can someone please explain Virtual memory
[02:26] <Bilford> I would like to know what it is
[02:26] <dipnlik> Bilford: i know that i didn't expect my system to lag so much with just a few things running
[02:27] <Bilford> youre wrong
[02:27] <Bilford> Virtual memory isnt normal memory, so wait a minute
[02:27] <linuxrebel> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7541
[02:27] <dipnlik> Bilford: amarok + kopete + konqueror with 3 tabs for example. i'm on an athlon xp with 256 RAM
[02:27] <ron_> my printer uses hpijs, which is already installed, how do i get it to use that driver??
[02:27] <Bilford> VIRTUATL MEMORY
[02:27] <linuxrebel> oops sorry that is a link explaining VM
[02:27] <Bilford> ty
[02:29] <linuxrebel> There is a better article on Virtual Memory at linuxjournal but  for some reason I can't reach the site to search for it
[02:30] <Bilford> dipnlik, it's not using up that much memory
[02:30] <Bilford> dipnlik, basically thats storing the file for reading
[02:30] <ctothej> is there any reason why Azureus would terminate randomly?
[02:30] <RogueJediX> Memory leak, maybe?
[02:31] <ctothej> RogueJediX: that was to me?
[02:31] <RogueJediX> ctothej: Indeed it was
[02:31] <ctothej> RogueJediX: how would i check?
[02:31] <dipnlik> Bilford: problem is: with 256 RAM, i would expect amarok + kopete + konqueror + katapult + yakuake would run without problems
[02:32] <dipnlik> Bilford: but even w/o katapult and yakuake, sometimes my system slows to a crawl
[02:32] <pestilence> dipnlik, that's a tall order for 256 megs
[02:32] <pestilence> dipnlik, especially if you are running kde or gnome
[02:32] <RogueJediX> ctothej: Off the top of my head, try comparing readouts from Ksysguard when you run it and after an hour or so
[02:32] <joh6nn> dipnlik: have you made sure that nothing is running in the background?
[02:33] <joh6nn> is there any way for me to switch Kubuntu back to using /mnt , instead of using /media ?
[02:33] <dipnlik> pestilence: omg, that's very very sad
[02:33] <dipnlik> joh6nn: well, now i killed a bluetooth something cause I don't use it. can't think of anything else
[02:34] <kkathman> dipnlik:  lol 256mb of ram??? lol  thats a tall order for sure :)
[02:34] <Bilford> dipnlik, the Virtual Memory isnt memory being used, it's hard drive space on your swap
[02:34] <ctothej> RogueJediX: ok. ill give it a shot
[02:34] <joh6nn> dipnlik: windows XP doesn't do very well with only 256M, either
[02:35] <dipnlik> joh6nn: oh oh oh it very well does!
[02:35] <semq> hi there
[02:35] <pestilence> dipnlik, it is.  if you really want to run in 256 megs or less, try xubuntu
[02:35] <joh6nn> dipnlik: er.  no.  no it doesn't.  not if you're running 4 or more very large apps at the same time, it doesn't
[02:35] <semq> i've problem at startup (before the login screen, system hangs): any log file I can edit to diagnoze the problem?
[02:36] <pestilence> semq, /var/log/syslog
[02:36] <dipnlik> joh6nn: i had winxp here and it worked very well with let's say itunes, firefox with 10tabs and an IM program
[02:36] <sampan> heh, no wonder i was getting so many errors ... that must be why -- the upgrade never got around to installing the new linux image even -- weird
[02:36] <linuxrebel> semq /var/log/messages and dmesg as well
[02:36] <semq> ty pestilence
[02:36] <semq> and linuxrebel
[02:36] <pestilence> dipnlik, well, it will work in ubuntu too....it just might swap a little more than you would like (i'm sure it swaps in windows too)
[02:37] <sampan> fresh upgrade and adept updater says 537 packages to upgrade
[02:37] <dipnlik> joh6nn: swap? yes. 3 minute lag? not at all
[02:37] <pestilence> let's not get into a pissing contest, please
[02:38] <dipnlik> pestilence: ok, sorry. i just didn't think kde apps were using that much memory
[02:38] <semq> i can't open gedit: cannot open display
[02:38] <ron_> my printer uses hpijs, which is already installed, how do i get it to use that driver?
[02:38] <joh6nn> semq: try kate
[02:38] <dipnlik> well, i'll try xubuntu then. does anyone know what is the default xubuntu music player?
[02:38] <pestilence> dipnlik, i've ran kde on 256 megs of memory, it works.
[02:39] <semq> ok
[02:39] <pestilence> dipnlik, it's just slower than with unlimited memory :)
[02:39] <joh6nn> is there any way for me to switch Kubuntu back to using /mnt , instead of using /media ?
[02:39] <linuxrebel> IIRC dipnik it's xmms ... but amorok etc do run under it.
[02:39] <JavaGeek> mmm, no tomcat5.5 packages on ubuntu
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> I have just come to the conclusion that a vanilla kernel with the real time patches makes the system feel much more responsive than the dapper one
[02:41] <linuxrebel> h3sp4wn:  IMHO a custom kernel always snaps better than a generic one.
[02:41] <semq> nano worked johan
[02:41] <semq> ty
[02:41] <joh6nn> np
[02:41] <dipnlik> linuxrebel: i want to go away from amaroK, it is eating my ram :P i'll go xubuntu now
[02:42] <Bilford> dipnlik, try  XMMS
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> linuxrebel: I didn't do a massive amount of customization just installed the one patch
[02:42] <Bilford> XMMS is liek WinAmp
[02:42] <joh6nn> dipnlik: how many songs do you have loaded in amarok?
[02:42] <dipnlik> joh6nn: +-2500 in the collection. in the playlist, never more than 50
[02:43] <mongey> anyone wanna seed the 64bit dvd ?
[02:43] <dipnlik> Bilford: xmms is just a player, i want a manager, like itunes, mediamonkey, amarok or gmusicbrowser.
[02:44] <Bilford> ok
[02:44] <dipnlik> Bilford: player for player, maybe mp3blaster is better ;-)
[02:44] <linuxrebel> xmms does have the manager... in plugins just not as full of eye candy.  however amorok does run under xfce....
[02:45] <xwolf-> adept seems to have freezed in:
[02:45] <xwolf-> Descompactando substituto slocate ...
[02:45] <xwolf-> dpkg run finished!
[02:45] <pestilence> dipnlik, amarok is the best, in my opinion.  sorry :)
[02:45] <semq> eth0: no ipv6 routers present
[02:45] <linuxrebel> Myself I use XMMS even still <-- old fart
[02:45] <dipnlik> linuxrebel: i'll try gmusicbrowser first, or rhythmbox, something like that
[02:46] <Bilford> XMMS plays ogg files better on my laptop
[02:46] <xwolf-> i shouldnt mess with it, should i?
[02:46] <Bilford> I use amarok on my desktop
[02:47] <dipnlik> i kinda like amarok
[02:48] <joh6nn> amarok is nice, but it's a bit slow.
[02:48] <joh6nn> it could definitely use some optimization, i think
[02:48] <linuxrebel> dipnik understood.  I'm as I said an old timer and have been using xmms for years... so I stick with it.  depends I gues on what you need
[02:49] <dipnlik> i need better ram usage ;-)
[02:49] <dipnlik> downloading xubuntu, hehe
[02:49] <linuxrebel> Me ... I need a way to really really stop breaking my install.... *grin*
[02:50] <semq> my system hangs at startup and i dunno why ( I edited log files)
[02:50] <linuxrebel> semq what's the last thing on the screen?
[02:51] <sampan> /etc/init.d/pcmcia: line 139:  2536 Segmentation fault      modprobe $PCIC $PCIC_OPTS >/dev/null 2>&1
[02:52] <joh6nn> sampan: are you on a laptop?
[02:52] <sampan> end of that line is : /etc/init.d/pcmcia: line 139:  2536 Segmentation fault      modprobe $PCIC $PCIC_OPTS >/dev/null 2>&1   ... i'm getting that error a lot -- any ideas
[02:52] <sampan> joh6nn  nope ... desktop
[02:52] <sampan> bah, my copy-paste skillz are sadly lacking
[02:52] <semq> configuring network interfaces ( i d/ced the ethernet cable)
[02:53] <linuxrebel> sudo apt-get remove pcmcia ..... should help sampan
[02:53] <joh6nn> sampan: well, pcmcia is laptop type stuff
[02:53] <sampan> k
[02:53] <joh6nn> yeah, you beat me to it, linuxrebel
[02:53] <semq> now it is:
[02:53] <linuxrebel> these fingers be a smokin today *grin*
[02:53] <sampan> it couldn't find package pcmia
[02:53] <sampan> :/
[02:53] <joh6nn> heh
[02:53] <semq> "running local boot scripts /etc/rc.local$
[02:53] <joh6nn> that's probably why it can't load it
[02:54] <sampan> lol -- so how do i remove it from trying to load the darn thing?  (sorry, newb question)
[02:54] <joh6nn> sampan, open SystemSettings
[02:54] <sampan> kk
[02:54] <DaSkreec1> DaSkreech:  Get off!
[02:54] <DaSkreec1> So whos on Edgy?
[02:55] <crimsun> there is no edgy.
[02:55] <joh6nn> on the bottom, from the right, there's the stoplight, that says System Services
[02:55] <crimsun> [yet]
[02:55] <linuxrebel> try removing pcmciautils sampan..... I've got to many different boxes... get names wrong
[02:55] <semq> system hangs just after "running local boot scripts /etc/rc.local"
[02:55] <sampan> joh6nn  okay ... gotcha
[02:55] <joh6nn> linuxrebel: do you know anything about the reason why /mnt was moved to /media ?
[02:56] <zblach> hi. as a kubuntu user of 8 months, let me just say this: 6.06 is pretty awesome
[02:56] <linuxrebel> Actually yes.  They have changed things in the Linux Standards Base and Posix.  etc.. /media and /svn have been added
[02:56] <iwilcox> joh6nn: Think it was basically to differentiate between transient and permanent mounts...
[02:56] <sampan> joh6nn  in system services ... both pcmcia and pcmciautils are set not to load at boot and are not running (run lvl 2)
[02:56] <linuxrebel> and Yes iwilcox...
[02:57] <iwilcox> linuxrebel: You mean /srv ? :)
[02:57] <zblach> but this is the first time i've ever installed *nix onto a laptop, and i'm having a small amount of weirdness. anyone up to helping me out with a few things?
[02:57] <load> anyone know why I would loose eth0 in 2.6.15 in dapper?  The e100 module gets loaded, it knows where the card is, reads the mac address, but eth0 won't come up.
[02:57] <joh6nn> sampan: what about run level one?
[02:57] <sampan> joh6nn  same
[02:57] <zblach> little things like widescreen compatibility
[02:57] <joh6nn> sampan: no idea what to tell you, then.
[02:57] <zblach> everything is s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d out strangely
[02:58] <linuxrebel> semq do you know what is in the file /etc/rc.local or are you locked out completely
[02:58] <sampan> joh6nn  i think i might have typoed the package name in the apt command to remove -- they safe to remove completely i take it?
[02:58] <joh6nn> sampan: so far as i know, it should be completely safe to remove
[02:58] <linuxrebel> If you are on a desktop sampan yes.  pcmcia is for laptops only.
[02:59] <semq> not completely locked i can CRTL ALT F1
[02:59] <semq> ill try to edit the file
[02:59] <joh6nn> linuxrebel & iwilcox: do you guys know how hard it would be for me to switch back to using /mnt exclusively? i'd like to free up /media for my own use
[02:59] <joh6nn> you know, to use for all my media stuff
[02:59] <zblach> maybe even use of some of my keyboard buttons?
[02:59] <zblach> :(
[02:59] <joh6nn> zblach: ah, the laptop keyboard buttons
[02:59] <linuxrebel> edit /etc/fstab and change /media to /mnt where you need it.
[03:00] <joh6nn> those, my friend, are mainly a pipe dream
[03:00] <joh6nn> if you get those working, you have lived the impossible dream.  you pull that off, and you can die happy
[03:00] <zblach> ? it's like vol+ and vol-, how hard can that be?
[03:00] <joh6nn> massively hard
[03:00] <semq> rc.locl :
[03:00] <joh6nn> they're always undocumented proprietary stuff.  i've asked kernel hackers about them before
[03:01] <semq> exit = 0
[03:01] <sampan> k, try to reboot and see what's up -- still getting the auto-updater saying three packages are upgradeable after upgrading them four times :/
[03:01] <semq> no
[03:01] <semq> exit 0
[03:01] <zblach> i'd've thought laptop buttons would be far easier than kbbuttons, as lots of laptop kbs are standardized
[03:01] <zblach> like, kcontrol has built in options for some laptops
[03:01] <zblach> but not mine :S
[03:01] <thompa> !dvd
[03:01] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[03:01] <joh6nn> yeah, it has them, but getting them to work is different
[03:01] <linuxrebel> hmm. semq... But you are at the command line correct?
[03:01] <semq> file is almost empty
[03:02] <semq> nano
[03:02] <semq> yes
[03:02] <joh6nn> zblach: yeah, the keyboards on laptops tend to be standard, but the laptop buttons usually aren't part of the keyboard
[03:02] <semq> this is comment : "by default, this file does nothing"
[03:03] <joh6nn> like, i've got a thinkpad here, and the extra buttons are completely separate from the keyboard
[03:03] <ron_> on hte add printer wizard when i get to the local port selection it lists my printer, hp psc-1510 twice, which one should i use, and how do i get it to use the driver, hpijs, which is already installed??
[03:03] <linuxrebel> semq if you type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart ...... what happens
[03:03] <zblach> joh6nn: drat. can anything be done about widescreen?
[03:03] <linuxrebel> zblach... we could shoot speilberg... but I don't think that is what you wanted... *grin*
[03:04] <joh6nn> zblach: probably, but X isn't my thing, so you're better off asking someone else if you run into trouble.  my guess is that you either haven't got the right driver, or it's not configured properly
[03:04] <semq> ok I do that
[03:04] <zblach> i'm pretty familiar with xorg configing
[03:04] <joh6nn> zblach: then probably you haven't got the right driver
[03:04] <zblach> :S
[03:05] <joh6nn> hunt around with apt-caches search and see what you can see
[03:05] <semq> etc/init.d/kdm command not found
[03:05] <iwilcox> joh6nn: I've got a thinkpad here, and all the funky buttons are entirely configurable under Linux AFAIK
[03:05] <joh6nn> iwilcox: in theory, yes.  in practice, i have never gotten it working successfully
[03:05] <iwilcox> joh6nn: What can you not do?
[03:06] <zblach> iwilcox: cool, can you help me out?
[03:06] <linuxrebel> joh6nn do you have the thinkpad pkgs installed
[03:06] <iwilcox> zblach: Only if it's a thinkpad :)
[03:06] <zblach> drat. i'm on an HP Pavillion
[03:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> What's the problem?
[03:06] <linuxrebel> zblach this program/site might help http://lineak.sourceforge.net/
[03:07] <iwilcox> zblach: Well, a little googling and you never know.  As proprietary as these things are, *someone* usually figures them out.
[03:07] <joh6nn> iwilcox: it's been a long time since i've bothered with it, but as i remember it, i went through on the steps listed, and got through it without any obvious errors, and still couldn't get the buttons to do anything when pushed
[03:08] <iwilcox> joh6nn: OK, but what buttons were you trying to change the behaviour of?
[03:08] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: It's a testament to a space tourist
[03:08] <linuxrebel> amen DaSkreec1
[03:08] <zblach> iwilcox, linuxrebel: wow. i've been looking for stuff like this for a while. thanks!
[03:08] <iwilcox> zblach: Google is your friend.
[03:09] <joh6nn> iwilcox: i have 4 buttons at the top, one that says thinkpad, one that's got a little home icon, one with a magnifying icon, and one with a mail icon
[03:09] <linuxrebel> iwilcox have you noticed how rtfm has been replaced with "google is your friend"
[03:09] <iwilcox> Yup, I think tpb manages all those.
[03:10] <joh6nn> tbp?
[03:10] <joh6nn> is that the name of the kernel module?  it's been quite a while
[03:10] <iwilcox> linuxrebel: Yeah.  One day they're gonna start charging like $0.00001 a search, and everyone'll pay it 'cause it's peanuts, but as everyone relies on google all the time, they'll make billions :) </joking>
[03:10] <GameOver69> hey can someone help me with network manager
[03:10] <GameOver69> it seems to no longer find any of my wirelness hardware, thus no networks to choose from
[03:10] <zblach> cool. one of the buttons works no problem
[03:10] <linuxrebel> No lie iwilcox.
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: What hardware?
[03:11] <iwilcox> joh6nn: I think it means "ThinkPad Buttons", and no, it's a userspace daemon - think it talks to the keyboard via /dev/nvram.
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: Were you using ndiswrapper when the hardware was found?
[03:11] <JavaGeek> DaSkreec1: not that... how to use it
[03:11] <DaSkreec1> you mean how to post bugs?
[03:11] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, yes and it has been working great since with network manager
[03:11] <JavaGeek> basically, I want to know if someone is working on creating tomcat 5.5 packages
[03:11] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, now im  on vacation
[03:12] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, and it doesnt find anything
[03:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: It doesn't find the hardware anymore?
[03:12] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, i have 2 wireless hardware, one internal, and a linksys card external
[03:12] <joh6nn> iwilcox: is that different from what's listed in kcontrol?
[03:12] <JavaGeek> DaSkreec1: if the package isn't there, should I post a bug?
[03:12] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, network manager doesnt, i have to start it manually in konsole with iwconfig
[03:13] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: Which package?
[03:13] <JavaGeek> DaSkreec1: tomcat 5.5
[03:13] <iwilcox> joh6nn: I guess it's the same thing.  Hadn't seen the kcontrol one til now :)
[03:13] <DaSkreec1> ah that can't be included :)
[03:13] <JavaGeek> DaSkreec1: I only see tomcat 5.0.30-9
[03:13] <joh6nn> hrm
[03:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: What's 'network manager'?
[03:14] <joh6nn> well, i was never able to get it working
[03:14] <linuxrebel> http://www.jpackage.org/ might have it for debian in general JavaGeek
[03:14] <joh6nn> but it's no big deal; i've been working without it for so long now, i'm so used to not having it, that having it would take forever to get used to
[03:14] <joh6nn> i'd have to change my work patterns again
[03:14] <sampan> okay -- so there's no sound ... no xmms/bmp/amarok -- not even system bell :/
[03:14] <JavaGeek> linuxrebel: i don't want it for debian in general, I want it for (k)ubuntu
[03:14] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, program that makes it pretty much effortless to connect to networks.... kinda like windows network manger where you can select what wireless networks to choose from
[03:14] <iwilcox> joh6nn: I don't tend to give up easily on such things :)
[03:14] <sampan> kmix shows master output is on and full ... pcm is on and full
[03:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, that 'Wireless Assistant' thing.
[03:14] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, its what kwifimanger should be to put it in simple terms
[03:15] <sampan> cat /proc/asound/cards shows my SBLive card just fine
[03:15] <iwilcox> joh6nn: Except for the fingerprint reader on this one, as I really couldn't care less about it working.
[03:15] <joh6nn> iwilcox: i gave up when i realized that the pay off for continuing to mess with it wasn't worth the effort i'd spent on it
[03:15] <linuxrebel> yes But that is where they will first appear .... then filter down.   These guys are the clearing house for all java on Linux it seems
[03:16] <JavaGeek> linuxrebel: which is why i want to know how to use launchpad and start producing packages for ubuntu :)
[03:16] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: In any case for that you would e-mail the maintainer.  I'm not yet savvy on .deb building I've worked over from the rpm and tgz worlds
[03:17] <GameOver69> :(
[03:17] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: Hit the wiki :) It'll point you in the right way
[03:17] <JavaGeek> joh6nn: thank you for your support :)
[03:17] <sampan> anyone else upgraded to dapper and have their sound inexplicably go poof?
[03:17] <GameOver69> ok well hers a question, i uninstalled then reinstalled the packages, but it still retains all the previous settings
[03:17] <GameOver69> anyway i can reset previous settings to see if it will work then?
[03:17] <ron_> when i go to localhost:631 and add a printer that way, it shows hpijs, but it won't let me add the printer cuz i don't have admin rights.  how do i get admin rights?
[03:17] <iwilcox> joh6nn: Actually, there is one thing I want which I've left alone so far - HDAPS - the "drop the laptop and the hard disk automatically parks before things get messy" thing
[03:18] <JavaGeek> linuxrebel: plus, jpackage has had tomcat-5.5 packages for a while
[03:18] <joh6nn> JavaGeek: you know that you can have either a family, or maintain packages, but not both at the same time, right?
[03:18] <JavaGeek> joh6nn: well, I *do* have a family... :S
[03:18] <DaSkreec1> GameOver69: You may want to purge instead of uninstalling
[03:18] <linuxrebel> joh6nn yes but then the screen is busted and it makes little diff.... *grin*
[03:18] <iwilcox> joh6nn: Anyway - you should have a browse of www.thinkwiki.org .  Most hardware on thinkpads has been made to work to some extent, and if it hasn't, you'll find out there when it does.
[03:19] <GameOver69> DaSkreec1, how do i do that, and what does that do
[03:19] <DaSkreec1> GameOver69: You are using adept?
[03:20] <linuxrebel> Yes but locally we are still using 5.0.something.... we move slowly.
[03:20] <linuxrebel> locally being my company
[03:20] <GameOver69> DaSkreec1, yes
[03:20] <joh6nn> JavaGeek: if you've got a family, package maintainence is not for you
[03:20] <DaSkreec1> GameOver69: Right click the package and select purge
[03:21] <GameOver69> DaSkreec1, do i uninstall it first
[03:21] <DaSkreec1> joh6nn: He could make it a family event? :)
[03:21] <DaSkreec1> GameOver69: No purging does that
[03:21] <joh6nn> DaSkreec1: an interesting thought.  let the kids run the compile farm?
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> DaSkreec1: Perfect! 'Gather round, kids. We're gonna learn how to make Debian packages!'
[03:21] <DaSkreec1> joh6nn: Yeah put them on treadmills to power the computers
[03:22] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: Join #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel for the path to family closeness!
[03:22] <linuxrebel> <== wife is threatening to do that to me.......
[03:22] <GameOver69> DaSkreec1, ok after it purges... then what do i do?
[03:22] <DaSkreec1> Then you can try reinstall
[03:22] <DaSkreec1> The settings should be gone
[03:23] <GameOver69> oh so i still have to reinstall everything
[03:23] <linuxrebel> well all work day done ... highway is as clear as it will ever be locally.... I'm off to family land myself
[03:23] <altprsona> how can i check my os version., and how do i check my drivers for there versions?
[03:23] <altprsona> pls
[03:23] <joh6nn> JavaGeek: in all seriousness, though, it's always nice to see someone pick up the torch
[03:23] <joh6nn> best of luck to you
[03:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: Not everything, just that package.
[03:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> altprsona: os version? You mean the kernel version?
[03:23] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, ok got it
[03:24] <altprsona> id take both?
[03:24] <Blake7984> trying to install kubuntu and create a software raid 1 mirroring array following:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178400    however, i never see a raid option...how do i do what hes talking about in step 3/4
[03:24] <DaSkreec1> linuxrebel: See ya man!
[03:24] <linuxrebel> cat /proc/version and/or cat /etc/*release (don't forget the star)
[03:24] <altprsona> iv just done an update/upgrade from breezy to dapper, adn i want to check it all...
[03:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> altprsona: 'uname -r && kded --version'
[03:25] <linuxrebel> peace all back when I reach the other net connection.
[03:25] <sampan> i am attempting to get my sound working -- anyone feel like tackling a tough issue (perhaps) and gain that sense of pride at mastering linux sound?
[03:25] <joh6nn> sampan: what's your problem?
[03:25] <JavaGeek> joh6nn: thx... well, I first want to see what the deal is
[03:26] <altprsona> that basicaly worked, didnt verify the dapper...
[03:26] <sampan> joh6nn  no sound at all ... not even system bell ... i checked cat /proc/asound/cards -- card (SBLive) shows up just fine
[03:26] <sampan> joh6nn  and lspci shows that the multimedia controller for the card is loaded
[03:26] <joh6nn> sampan: check the volume/mute situation
[03:27] <sampan> joh6nn  and kmix and alsamixer both show master and PCM working and at 100%
[03:27] <sampan> (green lights on and sliders to the max)
[03:27] <joh6nn> you know enough to make sure PCM is working, so i'll trust you.  ; )
[03:28] <joh6nn> what's your output device?
[03:28] <Blake7984> software raid help anyone?
[03:28] <Hawkwind> I've just installed Kubuntu and am having problems getting inet access.  It appears that my bcast IP# is incorrect.  It's set to <IP_ADDRESS> when it needs to be <IP_ADDRESS>   How can I change this ?
[03:28] <joh6nn> Blake7984: i'd say that's a question for straight up #linux
[03:28] <sampan> joh6nn  2.1 sound ... just a simple cord into the subwoofer and from thence off into two small speakers -- worked perfect with breezy (until an hour ago when i upgraded)
[03:29] <Blake7984> joh6nn i was basing it on a link given here:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178400   i just dont see anything about raid like he says in step 4
[03:29] <joh6nn> sampan: ok, what's your audio device set to?
[03:30] <Hawkwind> Can anyone tell me how I can change this bcast IP# so I can possibly get internet access ?
[03:30] <joh6nn> sampan: also, have you rebooted since the upgrade?
[03:30] <joh6nn> Hawkwind: sorry, no idea
[03:31] <Hawkwind> joh6nn: Heh thanks.  I actually just got it
[03:31] <sampan> joh6nn  oh in sys-settings the audio "hardware" is set to autodetect -- there's a bunch of things in the drop down but ... not sure which is what actually (sound just worked with breezy so i never touched it)
[03:31] <joh6nn> sampan: have you rebooted since you updated?
[03:32] <sampan> joh6nn  yeah i have -- three times actually
[03:32] <joh6nn> ah well.  i figured, hey, it fixes windows
[03:32] <sampan> hehehehe
[03:32] <joh6nn> Blake7984: hrm.  i've never seen that as an option either
[03:33] <Blake7984> hmm....now im wondering how to do this
[03:33] <Blake7984> was trying to use hardware raid...but as discovered on that and other postings....apparently my nvidia hardware raid isnt hardware raid
[03:34] <Hawkwind> Ok well I've got inet access, but apt-get install <package> gives me nothing.  Do I need to set something up somewhere so it can pull from online sources ?
[03:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hawkwind: Try using 'sudo apt-get update'
[03:35] <joh6nn> Hawkwind: if it's a brand new install, you normally have to change your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:36] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: And use your password
[03:36] <Hawkwind> CheeseBurgerMan: Ahhh that did some stuff.  Now it's asking me for the CD which I don't want to use.  I want to use online sources
[03:36] <sampan> i wonder ... for some reason libarts1c2 is not installed and i can't install it with adept -- it won't even let me select it
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hawkwind: Edit your sources.list, and comment out the line with the CD.
[03:36] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: do you prefer the GUI or the CLI?
[03:37] <Hawkwind> DaSkreec1: CLI if at all possible, but GUI would work too if I had to use it
[03:37] <joh6nn> sampan: that could potentially be problematic for sound type things, eh?
[03:37] <joh6nn> sampan: try it from a terminal with apt
[03:37] <Hawkwind> I'm a 4+ year Mandrake/Mandriva user, so I'm totally new to Ubuntu
[03:37] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <sampan> joh6nn  yeah... trying that now
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hawkwind: In that case, run 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list' (or whatever cli text editor you prefer)
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> Rats :P
[03:37] <zblach> hi
[03:37] <DaSkreec1> and comment out the cdrom line
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hello, zblach
[03:38] <zblach> i just found out about xev. does this mean I can map my cool laptop media keys now?
[03:38] <joh6nn> zblach: make any progress?
[03:38] <zblach> joh6nn: 915(something) gave me widescreen
[03:38] <joh6nn> ; D
[03:38] <zblach> and my wireless & touchpad cutoff keys work by default
[03:38] <joh6nn> neat!
[03:38] <zblach> very neat
[03:38] <Hawkwind> Ok, got the cdrom commented out.  Now, how do I add more mirrors to choose from, and how can I get regular everyday xchat ?
[03:38] <Hawkwind> Seems all that is available is xchat-gnome
[03:39] <zblach> also neat is the fact that xev picks up all my media keys
[03:39] <sampan> joh6nn  it says no installation candidate -- not in the package lists, but referred to by another package -- ugh
[03:39] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: Kubuntu?
[03:39] <Hawkwind> DaSkreec1: Yes,  6.06 as of today
[03:39] <zblach> what can I actually do with xev's information?
[03:39] <DaSkreec1> Try konversation :)
[03:39] <joh6nn> sampan: try apt-get update && apt-get install libarts1c2
[03:39] <Hawkwind> DaSkreec1: No thanks.  I'm an xchat developer
[03:40] <zblach> DaSkreec1: pwned
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> haha
[03:40] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: Koolness! Add universe and multiverse to your sources
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> !sources
[03:40] <DaSkreec1> !tell Hawkwind about universe
[03:40] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:40] <Hawkwind> DaSkreec1: Thanks
[03:41] <sampan> joh6nn  yeah, it's been obsoleted by a package that is already installed
[03:41] <sampan> so i'm back to square one
[03:41] <rjamorim> Hello. Would somebody in here be available to help me troubleshoot installing Kubuntu 6.06? The installation process invariably hangs when I tell it I want to manually edit the partitions of my SCSI disk
[03:41] <joh6nn> sampan: try uninstalling it and then re-installing it
[03:41] <boga> rjamorim: disabke ACPI at boot
[03:42] <rjamorim> It's an IBM Ultra3 18GB, on an Adaptec 39160 adapter card
[03:42] <joh6nn> sampan: after that, try jiggling the handle
[03:42] <rjamorim> boga: thanks, I'll try that
[03:42] <dontm> during dapper upgrade it asked me if i wanted to keep my current X settings or use the package mantainers
[03:42] <ubuntu> hello?
[03:42] <ubuntu> can anyone help m
[03:42] <joh6nn> sampan: if neither of those work, turn the radio off, but turn the windshield wipers on
[03:42] <dontm> and it said default is keep urs but the real default is use pkg maintainer's.  that should be updated
[03:42] <rjamorim> I'll reboot now. Will be back if it still won't work :P
[03:43] <sampan> joh6nn  -- lol -- thanks for trying man :)
[03:43] <dontm> just needs to be consistent
[03:43] <MrObvious> Hi
[03:43] <ubuntu> does anyone know how to install ubuntu on a rraid
[03:43] <load> ok, I'm having a serious problem with the e100 drivers on 2.6.15 in dapper
[03:43] <ubuntu> *raid
[03:43] <ubuntu> or is it imposible
[03:43] <MrObvious> Who here has got a wireless WMP54GS made by Linksys to work with today's release?
[03:43] <load> I can't bring up eth0, the driver sees the card, but thinks it's on IRQ 225
[03:44] <joh6nn> sampan: good luck man.  i'm out for the night
[03:44] <DaSkreec1> ubuntu: hardware raid?
[03:44] <DaSkreec1> zblach: Hey I like choice :-)
[03:44] <ubuntu> yeah
[03:44] <load> I unloaded and reloaded the module, still nothing
[03:45] <ubuntu> harddrive raid
[03:45] <DaSkreec1> ubuntu: :-)
[03:45] <ubuntu> I have two 160gb drives I bought with this machine from sony
[03:45] <ubuntu> and its says they are raid
[03:45] <DaSkreec1> I mean is the hardware implemented in hardware or in software?
[03:45] <DaSkreec1> Ah then it shouldn't be an issue
[03:45] <Blake7984> hes probably in the same boat as me....onboard hardware raid which is not really hardware raid
[03:46] <ubuntu> everything works fine until I have to partition
[03:46] <Blake7984> does it show up as 2 seperate drives, or just as 1?
[03:46] <ubuntu> it gives me dev/sda
[03:46] <ubuntu> and dev/sdb
[03:46] <Blake7984> hehe yep, same as me...its not hardware raid
[03:46] <ubuntu> and I try to partition one, but it keeps trying to delete all the data
[03:47] <ubuntu> is there like a guide or something to do this
[03:47] <Blake7984> trying to figure out how myself
[03:47] <DaSkreec1> Blake7984: Get on it man :)
[03:47] <ubuntu> or, as I said originially, is it impossible
[03:47] <DaSkreec1> ubuntu: what machine?
[03:47] <Blake7984> DaSkreec1 im still actually really pissed that ive been deceived so bad....i cant believe all these onboard "hardware" raids are actually software
[03:47] <ubuntu> Windows XP, Sony VGC-RC 210G
[03:48] <Blake7984> anyways im just trying to figure out how to do software raid now
[03:48] <ubuntu> h,,
[03:48] <zblach> thanks guys, good night
[03:49] <DaSkreec1> ubuntu: It says "RAID ready"
[03:49] <dontm> !version
[03:49] <ubotu> To find out what ubuntu version you have type ''lsb_release -a'' in a terminal.
[03:49] <ubuntu> I'm tyring to install the newest one
[03:49] <ubuntu> dapper drake 6.06
[03:49] <dontm> just upgraded to dapper
[03:49] <dontm> happy dapper day all!
[03:50] <kkathman> lol
[03:50] <ubuntu> the two options I have are:
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> Thanks, and a very happy dapper day you! :P
[03:50] <DaSkreec1> Right. I think that you may have to make some changes in the RAID BIOS
[03:50] <DaSkreec1> Blake7984: Did you check out the BIOS settings?
[03:50] <dontm> kkathman: that didnt stop me from calling in sick =-)
[03:51] <Blake7984> DaSkreec1 yea i used to have raid enabled in it back in the windows days...trying ubuntu now and disabled raid as most guides have suggested
[03:51] <ubuntu> dev/sda: SCSI1 (0,0,0,)(sda) - 160.0 GB ATA ST3160023AS
[03:51] <Blake7984> with raid emabled or disabled, ubuntu still sees sda and sdb
[03:51] <ubuntu> same thing on the seocond one except sda=sdb
[03:51] <Blake7984> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto  that page explains the situation well
[03:51] <dontm> anyone know how to set up konversation to auto identify?
[03:51] <DaSkreec1> Wow
[03:52] <kkathman> dontm:  lucky :)
[03:52] <kkathman> dontm sure ... cant you just issue an /msg identify.. on sign in?
[03:52] <kkathman> I do that in kvirc
[03:52] <kkathman> Im sure konv has it
[03:53] <dontm> kkathman: yes well obviously
[03:53] <dontm> kkathman: was asking if there is a client construct to do so
[03:53] <kkathman> hmm
[03:53] <ubuntu> whats gparted
[03:54] <kkathman> seems like I did that before I went to kvirc
[03:54] <ubuntu> I can't find it anywhere
[03:54] <crimsun> you probably want qtparted or something
[03:54] <crimsun> gparted is gtk-based iirc
[03:54] <dontm> what?!
[03:54] <ubuntu> uggh
[03:54] <dontm> gparted is a partition manager
[03:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> dontm: So is qtparted.
[03:54] <rjamorim> Hello, Im the guy having Kubuntu install displaying kooky behaviour when it goes to the partitioning part. Its probably because Im trying to install it on an IBM SCSI disk attached to an Adaptec adapter
[03:54] <ubuntu> where do I get it
[03:55] <ubuntu> srry
[03:55] <ubuntu> found it
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubuntu: 'sudo apt-get install qtparted' should work.
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
[03:55] <rjamorim> Anyway, the installer keeps hanging after I tell it I want to manually set up partitions
[03:55] <crimsun> dontm: they're both frontends to libparted
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:55] <dontm> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
[03:55] <dontm> [15:19]  <crimsun> gparted is gtk-based iirc
[03:55] <rjamorim> I already disabled ACPI at both the BIOS and the boot
[03:55] <rjamorim> So, any ideas... :/
[03:56] <crimsun> dontm: "It is a graphical editor which uses libparted to detect and manipulate..."
[03:57] <crimsun> directly from gparted's Description
[03:57] <larrywells> So is Badger ready for upgrade?
[03:57] <larrywells> I have breeze now
[03:57] <dontm> crimsun: i know exactly what is
[03:57] <dontm> crimsun: u made a typo
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> larrywells: Yes.
[03:57] <dontm> crimsun: u said it was gtk-based iirc
[03:57] <crimsun> dontm: I did?
[03:57] <dontm> heh
[03:57] <kkathman> larrywells:  no, I wouldnt dist-upgrade
[03:57] <larrywells> Why not
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> kkathman: You wouldn't?
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> I did :P
[03:57] <kkathman> CheeseBurgerMan:  its a 50-50 proposition right now
[03:57] <crimsun> Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.10-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libglibmm-2.4-1c2a, libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libparted1.6-13 (>= 1.6.24), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libuuid1, libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixe
[03:57] <kkathman> Im hearing the devs say its about a 50-50
[03:57] <crimsun> looks pretty gtk-based to me.
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's not good, considering that it's the final release.
[03:58] <rjamorim> the installation hangs here: http://www.rarewares.org/rja/snapshot1.png
[03:58] <larrywells> 50-50?
[03:58] <kkathman> CheeseBurgerMan:  yah I know
[03:58] <dontm> crimsun: how is that iirc?
[03:58] <kkathman> there are probs with kdelibs
[03:58] <dontm> crimsun: dont u mean gtk-based partition manager, not iirc? heh
[03:58] <kkathman> its apparently gets in a sequence that kills the install
[03:58] <crimsun> dontm: If I Remember Correctly
[03:58] <larrywells> I do not really want a fresh install, I have many things set up just the way I like
[03:58] <dontm> kkathman: i just ran dist-upgrade just fine
[03:59] <dontm> updated my source list
[03:59] <dontm> updated the headers
[03:59] <kkathman> dontm:  I know...I said it was 50-50
[03:59] <crimsun> dontm: how did you interpret my statement, heh?
[03:59] <dontm> oh heh
[03:59] <kkathman> Im just passing the message along
[03:59] <dontm> crimsun: i thought u were typo'ing irc
[03:59] <kkathman> back up for sure
[03:59] <kkathman> bbl
[03:59] <larrywells> So maybe I should do it later?
[03:59] <dontm> crimsun: never seen iirc as an abbr lol
[03:59] <dontm> crimsun: i also usually capitalize abbr's too heh
[04:00] <crimsun> too lazy to use shift/caps, sorry :-)
[04:00] <DaSkreec1> larrywells: Back up your home folder + data
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> kkathman: That's Ubiquity, not an upgrade
[04:00] <dontm> crimsun: no worries but yeah we agree lol
[04:00] <DaSkreec1> Hey.. Is there a way to dump the packages installed from the apt database?
[04:00] <dontm> DaSkreec1: what do u mean?
[04:00] <larrywells> I will try it later
[04:00] <larrywells> No need to rush into it anyway
[04:01] <DaSkreec1> dontm: about?
[04:01] <dontm> DaSkreec1: dumping from the database.  elaborate
[04:02] <sampan> *grrrr* and the upgrade removed OOo too ... sheesh -- this has/is far from painless
[04:02] <DaSkreec1> dontm: How do I get the list of installed application?
[04:02] <dontm> DaSkreec1: use adept or synaptics
[04:02] <dontm> package manager
[04:02] <dontm> DaSkreec1: under the System menu
[04:02] <dontm> Kmenu->System->Adept
[04:02] <DaSkreec1> right
[04:02] <DaSkreec1> and how do I get a list of the apps to e-mail?
[04:02] <dontm> DaSkreec1: u can then sort by what is installed
[04:03] <dontm> DaSkreec1: you want a new email app?
[04:03] <dontm> DaSkreec1: type "email" into the "quick filter" field
[04:03] <dontm> DaSkreec1: i reco mozilla thunderbird or kmail
[04:06] <dontm> is there a better kde irc client than konversation?
[04:06] <dontm> is kirc better?
[04:09] <seth> I prefer Konversation to kvirc and kirc
[04:09] <seth> by a lot
[04:11] <ctothej> how can i configure ALSA so that it recognizes a 5.1 surround system?
[04:12] <ron_> thank you for your help with my printing matter, i finally got it working.
[04:15] <DaSkreec1> dontm: Ok you missed my point :)
[04:15] <saj> whats command for installing KDE on ubuntu again guys?
[04:15] <saj> i forgot:(
[04:16] <sampan> saj   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:16] <saj> sampan: thnx mate
[04:17] <sampan> sure :)
[04:17] <ctothej> how do i enable 5.1 surround sound?
[04:17] <DaSkreec1> dontm; You missed my point :)
[04:18] <sampan> how do i enable SKIM on a freshly upgraded dapper?
[04:18] <saj> hmmm this is dodgy:S
[04:18] <saj> where is userlost gone...
[04:18] <saj> using X-chat...latest.
[04:20] <me2win> sampan: try dragging it out from the right side
[04:20] <ron_> i think i have a pretty simple question for you all... when setting up kubuntu, i forgot to put in a swap file... i recently used qtparted to add another partition and made it a swap... how do i get linux to recognize and use it now??
[04:21] <me2win> ron_: add it to your fstab
[04:21] <sampan> me2win  dragging what?  i need to know how to even activate SKIM in the first place -- the old shift-space key combo (used to be default for SCIM) doesn't work, so i suspect i have to activate it
[04:21] <DaSkreec1> dontm_: Umm Hello?
[04:21] <ron_> me2win: thanx.  how do u edit fstab in kubuntu?
[04:21] <dontm_> DaSkreec1: yeah im here what's up?
[04:22] <Blake7984> shit...installer just crashed while trying to do grub stuff
[04:22] <Blake7984> how would i continue where i left off
[04:22] <DaSkreec1> ah ha!
[04:22] <DaSkreec1> dontm_: you missed my point :)
[04:22] <me2win> ron_: run kate with super user privs, or sudo kate /etc/fstab
[04:22] <Kubuntite> Anyone know how to get Enemy-Territory sound working? I Killed ARTS
[04:24] <Blake7984> am i able to get the installer to resume?
[04:24] <dontm_> DaSkreec1: what is your point? sorry
[04:25] <DaSkreec1> dontm_: That I want an exported list (think text file) of the applications I have installed
[04:25] <dontm_> oh
[04:26] <jonathan_> Hey, how can I let my wife install games without adding her to sudoers?
[04:27] <ron_> heh...i forgot how to find out which partition has my swap on it?  how can i find out?
[04:27] <ealm> my computer hangs randomly when watching movies... the same in both kaboodle and mplayer
[04:27] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: from adept?
[04:27] <Dasnipa`> ron_, fdisk
[04:28] <jonathan_> yes
[04:28] <DaSkreec1> ealm: hard hangs or glitches?
[04:28] <_rince_> mrgn
[04:28] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: Umm she can't run adept without sudo as far as I know
[04:29] <ealm> DaSkreec1 hard hangs as in not even ctrl-alt-del works...  Codec maybe?
[04:30] <jonathan_> there's no other way?
[04:30] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: You could install games for her
[04:30] <jonathan_> Guess so
[04:30] <claydoh> add her user account to the admin group
[04:30] <ealm> DaSkreec1: how do I figure out? its the same with all divx movies so far
[04:30] <claydoh> under system settings/ users and groups
[04:31] <claydoh> but that makes her full sudo iirc
[04:31] <_nano_> jonathan_: or you could look for tar.gz binaries of the games, those  could be just extracted and used on the fly
[04:31] <DaSkreec1> claydoh: I think what he's trying to get at is he wants her to install only games and no other types of apps
[04:31] <claydoh> tricky
[04:32] <sampan> gah, how do i add a language?  in the regional&accessibility --> country/region & language section -- i can only get English
[04:32] <jonathan_> Well I just didn't want to give her root privelages
[04:32] <ctothej> how do i force dhcp to get a new ip address?
[04:32] <load> is anyone else having problems with the e100 module and 2.6.15 in dapper?
[04:35] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: You can give her sudo just for adept if you like
[04:35] <\etc\bin> hi all, what does PREEMPT mean on my kernel uname
[04:35] <load> I can't get my network card to come up and I can't figure out why
[04:36] <pestilence> arg.  kubuntu dapper installer crashes!
[04:36] <jonathan_> DaSkreeci__How?
[04:38] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: I Forget :) but I know you can turn on sudo for someone for a single app
[04:38] <DaSkreec1> You may want to man sudoers
[04:38] <\etc\bin> hi all, what does PREEMPT mean on my kernel uname
[04:38] <DaSkreec1> but I think the second (ALL) means All applications so you would replace that with adept
[04:39] <jonathan_> thanks, thats what I wanted.
[04:39] <jonathan_> thanks for the help
[04:40] <DaSkreec1> well try it out and let me know how it goes
[04:40] <jonathan_> ok
[04:40] <pestilence> so is there any way to install dapper similar to older methods?  or is it all through this new "live cd, click install" method
[04:40] <pestilence> ubuquity crashes on me
[04:41] <scorpion007> hi, my microsoft intellimouse keeps freezing up and I have to reload the usbhid module to get it working again briefly. How can I fix it?
[04:43] <DaSkreec1> pestilence: There should be an install CD as well as apt-get dist-upgrade methods
[04:44] <sampan> and i still can't add a language or figure out how to start SKIM  hrmmmm
[04:45] <pestilence> DaSkreec1: yes, i am booted on the "install cd" which i guess is also a live cd
[04:45] <DaSkreec1> Ah
[04:45] <DaSkreec1> That's a bit strange :) in that case check the start up menu
[04:45] <DaSkreec1> It will probably have an install option
[04:45] <pestilence> DaSkreec1: so any way of reverting to a non-ubuquity managed install?  stupid thing crashes.
[04:46] <DaSkreec1> reboot?
[04:46] <austrumi_xxx> has anyone here ever tried Enlightenment with ubuntu?
[04:46] <pestilence> DaSkreec1: i looked through the options documented *on* the cd, doesn't give an option to not boot into the live mode
[04:46] <DaSkreec1> Ah.. well they have a server CD then?
[04:46] <ealm> DaSkreec1: I've now tried with three movie players: mplayer, kaboodle and vlc... and it's always the same - after about 15 min video playback my computer frozes completely... tried with different movie files as well (though all are divx)
[04:46] <pestilence> DaSkreec1: i rebooted to run the cd media test...it passed
[04:47] <DaSkreec1> ealm: Right I think it may have something to do with the codec. Not sure what to do after that.....
[04:47] <DaSkreec1> You could try ##linux to see if anyone has a clue
[04:47] <ron_> in fstab, what is the mount point for a swap partition and what are the options?
[04:48] <CaBlGuY> greetings peeps..
[04:48] <CaBlGuY> anyone got dapper installed yet??
[04:48] <ctothej_> how do i set default applications for files?
[04:48] <pestilence> ealm: what output driver are you using in mplayer?
[04:48] <pestilence> CaBlGuY: undoubtedly
[04:48] <realjimshady> Anyone: in-place upgrade from 5.10 to 6.06 left me with no toolbar icons in Kate or Konqueror (despite trying several different themes & icon sets).  Also, launching GAIM gives a nondescriptive "system bus" error.  Any tips?  Thanks in advance!
[04:48] <ealm> pestilence: default
[04:48] <dontm> hrm
[04:49] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  well, I know some already had it but, was just seein how many new installs where around..
[04:49] <ealm> pestilence: dunno more than that.. Im just running it with mplayer, no settings changed
[04:49] <pestilence> ealm, try -vo xv?
[04:49] <dontm> every time i run adept updater i fetch list of updates and apply them and quit but they keep showing up as upgradeable in the tray.  same three udpates
[04:49] <pestilence> CaBlGuY: i'm trying to install it, but ubiquity crashes.
[04:49] <ealm> I never had this kind of crashes in plain debian btw, so my hardware shouldn't be a problem with linux
[04:50] <dickhall> hrm.. downloaded the dapper cd, k3b said the checksum was okay, but then the checksum verification failed after burn.. this happened to me when I tried out the beta, so I just gave up
[04:50] <ealm> pestilence: in debian I could run it in any movie player with default settings
[04:50] <pestilence> dickhall: sounds like bad media
[04:50] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  wow, sory to hear that, how many goes have u givin it so far??
[04:50] <dickhall> hrm
[04:50] <pestilence> ealm: debian probably has different conf files by default
[04:50] <sampan> dontm  i had that same problem -- look at the "action" part of the updater -- it's probably saying to leave them alone -- if you try to change to "install" them it will want to remove several other packages -- try right-clicking them and hit "purge"
[04:50] <dickhall> pretty old, cheap CDs, yeah
[04:50] <pestilence> CaBlGuY: 2, so it's repeatable.
[04:51] <ealm> pestilence: so how do I make it work with kaboodle?
[04:51] <CaBlGuY> I actaully installed Suse 10.1 today but support sux..
[04:51] <CaBlGuY> :p
[04:51] <pestilence> ealm, i don't know, i use mplayer
[04:51] <dickhall> can you burn a CD iso on a DVD? I don't have any good quality CDs around, but I have good dvds...
[04:51] <CaBlGuY> I'm gettin dapper here b4 long and reinstallin it..
[04:51] <pestilence> dickhall, yes you can
[04:51] <dickhall> well, worth a shot then :)
[04:51] <dickhall> thanks
[04:52] <CaBlGuY> dickhall,  yes, just burn it as a "program" type CD or whatever that is..
[04:52] <pestilence> dickhall, just "pretend" it's a dvd iso.  it will burn just fine
[04:52] <dickhall> hrm.. k3b told me to insert an empty CD-R(W) into the drive
[04:52] <CaBlGuY> yea, what pestilence  said.   :p
[04:52] <dickhall> should I force it?
[04:52] <pestilence> no
[04:52] <pestilence> shouldn't require forcing :)
[04:52] <CaBlGuY> dickhall, what burning app u usin?
[04:52] <dickhall> k. *hunts for program type cd*
[04:52] <dickhall> k3b
[04:52] <dontm> sampan: wow ur right when i manually do install it wants to remove a bunch of other (conflicting im assuming) pkgs
[04:52] <pestilence> k3b -> burn dvd image
[04:53] <dickhall> ah, duh, I said CD image
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[04:53] <pestilence> dickhall, i made that mistake once, ended up in a coaster :)
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> lol
[04:53] <dickhall> heh
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> U 2 huh??
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> :p
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> many many coasters in my time..
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> :-p
[04:53] <dickhall> yeah, I went through 7 or 8 trying to get dapper beta working
[04:54] <sampan> dontm  yep -- it took me like 6 "upgrades" before i realized that the action was the problem (i'm a slow learner!)
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> yep, that happens somretimes..
[04:54] <dickhall> okay, dvd burning on lowest speed, I'll keep you guys posted ;)
[04:54] <ron_> can any1 tell me what to put in the mount point and options portion of the fstab when adding my /dev/hdb3 swap partition?
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> LOL @ sampan   hehe..
[04:54] <pestilence> ron_: you don't mount swap
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> aint we all ..  :p
[04:54] <intelikey> e  konsole is hosed
[04:54] <realjimshady> Ron & Pest: you don't "mount" swap but it still goes in /etc/fstab
[04:54] <dontm> sam, how do i know if i should leave it alone or upgrade them and let it remove other pkgs?
[04:55] <realjimshady> Ron: /dev/hda# none swap sw 0 0
[04:55] <intelikey> it's background is white and can't be changed.
[04:56] <intelikey> any one else have that trubble ?
[04:56] <saj> guys...looking glass got any where yet?
[04:57] <ron_> thanks alot pestilence and realjimshady
[04:57] <sampan> dontm, i didn't know for sure -- but since two of the packages looked like they were gnome-related, i "purged" them instead of removing other packages
[04:57] <CaBlGuY> hmmm   wierd..
[04:58] <dontm> welp i did it manually
[04:58] <dontm> let's see if my pc blows up =-)
[04:58] <CaBlGuY> lol
[04:59] <pestilence> ok, so there is an "alternate cd" that has the old text mode installer.  guess that's what i'm doing.  i'm a little surprised they would ship a installer that is so bad.
[04:59] <pestilence> hahaha
[04:59] <pestilence> You don't have permission to access /kubuntu/6.06 on this server.
[04:59] <pestilence> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[04:59] <intelikey> i tried to talk in here but didn't seem to be in a channel...   'can you here me now?'
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> if ya can't go forward, I guess ya gotta step back.. :p
[04:59] <sampan> dontm, mine didn't blow up ... so hopefully yours won't either -- of course, i -do- have significant problems from the upgrade: NO sound whatsoever, can't add any languages, can't seem to start SKIM -- not good :/
[05:00] <pestilence> intelikey: yes.
[05:00] <intelikey> ok konsole is hung on the black on white theem.  why ?
[05:00] <pestilence> intelikey: no klue
[05:00] <dontm> sampan: what's a quick way to test sound w/o playing media?
[05:01] <intelikey> i've changed the theme but it doesn't change the konsole.   any one else reporting this ?
[05:01] <DaSkreec1> dontm: ogg123 ?
[05:01] <DaSkreec1> aplay as well
[05:01] <pestilence> intelikey: check launchpad and the forums
[05:01] <pestilence> !launchpad
[05:01] <troy> hey folks, is 3.5.3 polished with all the dapper goodies or will I look kubuntu integration if I update?
[05:01] <ubotu> it has been said that launchpad is a collection of services for projects in the open source universe - https://launchpad.net/
[05:01] <sampan> hrmm, i -should- know that question -- but i tested by playing a sound in the system-setting --> multimedia area and by trying to play an ogg file
[05:01] <pestilence> !forums
[05:01] <troy> "artsplay" works for most common (free) sound formats...
[05:01] <pestilence> oh that's interesting
[05:02] <pestilence> !forums konsole
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> so, did u get dapper to work for ya pestilence ???
[05:02] <intelikey> i'll add a user and see if it's a local or system problem.
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> I mena, work "good"..  :p
[05:02] <pestilence> CaBlGuY: nope!  gotta download the "alternate" install cd, and need to reboot to do that.  so brb
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> hope I don;t have that problem..
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> :|
[05:04] <intelikey> added user and user can't startx because of /usr/bin/startx: line 169: /dev/null: Permission denied
[05:04] <intelikey> how lame.
[05:04] <dontm> sampan: my sound works so *sigh of relief*
[05:04] <sampan> dontm  lucky you!
[05:04] <Kadran> hi i used dapper beta and done 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', do i know use dapper final?
[05:05] <dontm> sampan: do u have unique sound hw?  is it sb compatible?
[05:05] <DaSkreec1> Kadran: As long as you had dapper sources yes
[05:05] <sampan> dontm  it's just an old SBLive card -- worked flawlessly out of the box on breezy -- but i've checked kmix/alsamixer, lspci, cat /proc/asound/cards, changing sound servers ... everything looks right but ... no joy
[05:06] <Kadran> DaSkreec1: what do you mean about 'dapper sources'?
[05:06] <intelikey> chmoded null now i get error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[05:06] <dickhall> w00t, the written image seems binary equal
[05:06] <dr_willis> sampan:  ive seen some cases where there is a toggle in the mixers to enable the audio outs. that i have to check
[05:06] <dickhall> that's k3b-talk for "hells yes"
[05:07] <sampan> dr_willis  yeah, there's a couple in there ... the Master and the PCM ... both are ON and sliders at 100%
[05:07] <dr_willis> sampan:  with the kde mixer, theres a switches tab ive had to twiddle with in the past
[05:07] <DaSkreec1> Kadran: Did you change your breezy to dapper in the sources.list file?
[05:08] <dr_willis> i got a 'analog' switch i had to be sure to enable. :P unless i was using the digital out
[05:08] <Kadran> DaSkreec1: yes from source-o-matic site
[05:08] <sampan> dr_willis  hrmmm ... i don't see anything like that, but there's a ton of extra things on both the input and output tabs
[05:09] <dr_willis> sampan:  thers no 'switches' tab under the kmix application eh?
[05:09] <dr_willis> i got 3 tabs. output, input, and switches
[05:09] <DaSkreec1> Kadran: Welcome to dapper!!
[05:09] <dr_willis> I do have an AUdigy2 card however in this box.
[05:09] <dr_willis> but ive had similer issues with other creative cards
[05:09] <Kadran> DaSkreec1: thanks :)
[05:10] <sampan> dr_willis  yep that's what i have too in the mixer section -- and there's an awful lot of sliders on each of those tabs -- but i thought the key ones were master (output) and PCM (output)
[05:10] <DaSkreec1> Happy dapper day!
[05:10] <dr_willis> sampan:  you are using the analog out? not the Digital out?
[05:11] <sampan> dr_willis  on the card itself?  sheesh, i can't remember -- i plugged it into the mobo about 2.5 years ago
[05:11] <dr_willis> sampan:  i mean to the speakers.
[05:11] <dr_willis> sampan:  most creative cards have that single digital out :P if you speakers can handle the input
[05:12] <ctothej> how do i set the default folder view for kde? (ie: medium icon size and list view)
[05:12] <sampan> dr_willis  i dunno ... it's an old card (6+ years old) but it was working flawlessly with breezy until about 3 hours ago if that means anything
[05:12] <intelikey> startx opens x then shuts down no error message at all
[05:12] <dr_willis> intelikey:  whats in your .xinitrc ?
[05:12] <Rug> Howdy all
[05:12] <Rug> How do I get Konqueror (file manager mode) to remember my settings when I close it?
[05:12] <g00n> hello peeps
[05:12] <intelikey> prolly not one just made the user
[05:13] <intelikey> doesnt
[05:13] <intelikey> isn't there a system defualt
[05:13] <sampan> should i be seeing aRTS in the audio device section of sound & multimedia?
[05:13] <g00n> I have just finished installing Dapper and my wireless card is listing in the newtwork settings.  The problem is once i enable it... it enables for 2 seconds and then just disables itself.  Does anyone know what I should do to trouble shoot this or fix it?
[05:14] <intelikey> dr_willis do you have to have a .xinitrc  ?
[05:14] <me2win> g00n: that happened to me once, i just restarted
[05:14] <g00n> I am using a broadcom wirelss modem from my dell inspiron 2200 btw
[05:14] <g00n> I ahve restarted several times :\
[05:14] <dr_willis> intelikey:  i got icewm in mine. since thats what i put in it. :P
[05:15] <dr_willis> intelikey:  try a line like 'startkde' or 'xterm '
[05:15] <intelikey> hmmm ok.  but it seems odd to have to make an rc file to get something to run
[05:16] <altprsona> i cant get ksysV init editor to exit, and it wont kill 9
[05:16] <dr_willis> this is a TEST.  intelikey :P
[05:17] <dr_willis> if it still just starts/exits - that implies that X is missconfigured
[05:17] <dr_willis> but does kdm work?
[05:17] <intelikey> dr_willis yes i see.   and yes it works  but that's not how it should be.   it should run without a .xinitrc
[05:18] <dr_willis> intelikey:  have you ever logged in from kdm/gdm?
[05:18] <dr_willis> i was thinking those saved your 'default' selection which startx then some how read.
[05:18] <intelikey> not that user. i just made it
[05:18] <intelikey> hmm ok
[05:18] <dr_willis> intelikey:  try a different user that has used kdm befor then perhaps.
[05:19] <g00n> does anyone know what I could do to get ndiswrapper working?  If I do -l I get "bcmwl5          driver present, hardware present"  but it isn't lising in my network settings
[05:19] <macd> g00n: what does iwconfig say?
[05:19] <intelikey> dr_willis that's not the issue.  i made that user to test konsole to see why the other user can't get rid of that damned white background
[05:20] <g00n> macd itr isn;t listed there
[05:20] <macd> g00n: then your driver isnt operating properly
[05:20] <g00n> eth0: now wireless extensions
[05:20] <macd> does 'lspci' show anything?
[05:20] <g00n> hrmm... I got this working on ubuntu and then switched to kubuntu and I am just sucking
[05:20] <intelikey> and that user can't open a konsole because of permissions on pty.
[05:21] <g00n> yes it does
[05:21] <g00n> 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[05:21] <dr_willis> intelikey:  heh - what white background?
[05:21] <CaBlGuY> ok, anyone runin or have run in the past Suse...
[05:21] <intelikey> konsole
[05:21] <humbolt> I just went through Fedora Core 5 and SuSE 10.1 installation and I very well remember dapper installer from flight6 and I have to say. Ubuntu rules!
[05:21] <pestilence> g00n, modprobe ndiswrapper ?
[05:21] <CaBlGuY> I shiulda never switched over.. Grrrrr
[05:22] <g00n> yeah pestilence that isn't doing anything
[05:22] <g00n> :|
[05:22] <intelikey> dr_willis it's black on white     can't be changed for some reason
[05:22] <pestilence> g00n, so it is already loaded?
[05:22] <CaBlGuY> humbolt,  help me with my sound would ya..
[05:22] <pestilence> g00n, lsmod |grep ndiswrapper
[05:22] <humbolt> what's the problem
[05:22] <g00n> one sec
[05:22] <CaBlGuY> I'm runin Amrok and it's runnin a stream but I can;t hear it..
[05:23] <CaBlGuY> other sound work just fine
[05:23] <humbolt> other than amarok or other then stream?
[05:23] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, what output engine are you using?
[05:23] <CaBlGuY> and I just installed Suse 10.1  :-|
[05:23] <g00n> pestilence: that list 3=2 things
[05:23] <CaBlGuY> I mean, I can hear ummm  like system sounds fine..
[05:24] <intelikey> dr_willis the update to final hosed the themes for konsole   it worked great before the last update.
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> and gaim sounds n stuff like that..
[05:24] <g00n> err
[05:24] <humbolt> so what, amarok is not working in suse?
[05:24] <g00n> pestilence: I mean it list 2
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> no, it works..
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> just the sound isn;t working right..
[05:24] <ctothej> how can i switch to admin rights when using Konqueror to set its preferences?
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> :|
[05:24] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, what output engine are you using in amarok
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> I'm DLing dapper now..
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> ;P
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  not sure realy..
[05:25] <dr_willis> intelikey:  hmm.. cant verify that. i HAVE had issues in the past when updating that requoired me to basicially reset (delete) the users .gnome and .kde dirs. to get them back to the defaults.
[05:25] <humbolt> CaBlGuY: answer pestilence's question and we might be able to help!
[05:25] <g00n> ndiswrapper           177364  0
[05:25] <pestilence> g00n, try "sudo rmmod ndiswrapper && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper && tail /var/log/syslog"
[05:25] <Kadran> does any one has problem with acpi?
[05:25] <pestilence> oops
[05:25] <CaBlGuY> Ummm, how can I find out what im running with it?
[05:25] <pestilence> g00n, try "sudo rmmod ndiswrapper && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper && sudo tail /var/log/syslog"
[05:25] <g00n> I am in as root
[05:25] <humbolt> just check the menus find preferences and find engine there!
[05:25] <CaBlGuY> what engine I mena..
[05:25] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, in the preferences
[05:25] <CaBlGuY> *mean
[05:25] <humbolt> are you in kde or gnome by the way?
[05:26] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  amrok prefs right?
[05:26] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, you should use the xine engine
[05:26] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, yes
[05:26] <intelikey> dr_willis did that.  but still can't change the colour.   and look at <ctothej> how can i switch to admin rights when using Konqueror to set its preferences?  <--- same kind of thing.  you shouldn't need root access to set prefferances.
[05:26] <humbolt> but might have gstreamer
[05:27] <g00n> pestilence:  what should I look for in the results of that command?
[05:27] <dr_willis> intelikey:  you installed kubuntu?   or ubuntu then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[05:27] <humbolt> if so you need to install amarok-xine
[05:27] <intelikey> there is a bug in the latest kdebase or something.
[05:27] <pestilence> g00n, well, the tail of syslog might have some errors related to ndiswrapper, or it might have some encouraging messages
[05:27] <intelikey> dr_willis niether.
[05:27] <g00n> ahh
[05:27] <g00n> dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[05:27] <g00n> that is the final message :|
[05:27] <humbolt> CaBlGuY: it is one little line you will have to type to install that!
[05:27] <g00n> thanks for all you help btw
[05:27] <dr_willis> intelikey:  windows answer: reformat/reinstall :P
[05:28] <pestilence> g00n, that would seem to indicate your wireless card is working, but your network configuration is not
[05:28] <CaBlGuY> im lookin....
[05:28] <g00n> ahh ok
[05:28] <pestilence> g00n, what does iwconfig tell you
[05:28] <CaBlGuY> I aint findin anytihg about prefs though in the menus,...
[05:28] <humbolt> I'll guide you
[05:28] <intelikey> dr_willis i installed server(hoary) and remover several things upgraded to dapper, then installed kdebase and konsole and kmail
[05:28] <g00n> eth0    no wireless extensions
[05:28] <g00n> and
[05:28] <humbolt> starting amarok
[05:28] <g00n> sit0    no wireless extensions
[05:28] <pestilence> ok scratch that
[05:29] <pestilence> g00n, is this dapper?
[05:29] <g00n> yes
[05:29] <humbolt> click on settings
[05:29] <humbolt> configure amarok
[05:29] <intelikey> dr_willis no go on the reload.  not until shippit gets here.    dialup  and one dist-upgrade is all i'm going to do.
[05:29] <CaBlGuY> Oh yea,, Duh...  :p
[05:29] <CaBlGuY> ok, hang on
[05:30] <pestilence> g00n, not sure.
[05:30] <CaBlGuY> yea, it's got Xine engine
[05:30] <g00n> ok
[05:30] <g00n> damn I ahte problems like this
[05:30] <g00n> I am prolly doing something stupid
[05:30] <CaBlGuY> me and u both probablt g00n    :p
[05:30] <DaSkreec1> hoary to dapper jump
[05:30] <DaSkreec1> Woah you got bigger ones than me :)
[05:31] <g00n> when it says "no wirels extensions"  what is this saying?
[05:31] <g00n> no drivers?
[05:31] <pestilence> g00n, that probably means it's your wired connection
[05:31] <intelikey> DaSkreec1 hehhe
[05:31] <CaBlGuY> so humbolt  what now?
[05:31] <humbolt> anything else running that uses sound (skype)
[05:31] <CaBlGuY> just Gaim
[05:32] <CaBlGuY> and it's not all the time..
[05:32] <g00n> hrmm... I got this running no problem on ubuntu :X
[05:32] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, do lsof |grep "/dev/dsp"
[05:32] <pestilence> g00n, yea, that's odd.  because there isn't any difference between ubuntu and kubuntu on this front
[05:33] <g00n> yeah
[05:33] <g00n> damn I must be doing something wrong Grrr
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> pestilence, ok, went to the next line..
[05:33] <humbolt> hmm, go in there again to the engine dialog and select output plugin alsa and then try again to play something, but use a wav file.
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> no errors..
[05:33] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, that means nothing is using your sound card :-/
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm
[05:33] <g00n> but dapper had a differnce in it seems to have found my wirelss card and the prior versions didn't
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> but I get sound when I use Gaim
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> :-|
[05:33] <humbolt> pestilence: Could CaBlGuY's problem derive from the fact that he has no mp3 codecs installed by default?
[05:34] <humbolt> but xine should be able to play this, right.
[05:34] <g00n> ohh wait pestilence
[05:34] <humbolt> the codecs just don't come for gstreamer?!
[05:34] <CaBlGuY> humbolt,  I'm thinkin...
[05:34] <intelikey> so you guys that help in here a lot.   note what my error is "can't change/configure konsole"  and ctothej "can't configure/change konqueror"   if others are having the same issues   bugs  bugs  bugs
[05:34] <g00n> eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"SecureWL"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4318"
[05:34] <CaBlGuY> I eman it's just a stream..
[05:34] <g00n> that is what it says on iwconfig
[05:34] <humbolt> what kind?
[05:34] <pestilence> i would hope that amarok would complain about not having codecs
[05:34] <pestilence> g00n, that is looking better
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  most odf the time, if something 'else" is utilising the sound, it says it..
[05:35] <humbolt> CaBlGuY: what is amarok doing? It pretends like it is playing the stream?
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> but it's not this time..
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> yes, it plays the stream..
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> but no sound
[05:35] <Blake7984> installer stops at "unable to install GRUB in (hd0)"....what should i do
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> but..
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> I get sound with Gaim
[05:35] <pestilence> what if you try to play gaim's sounds with amarok, we know those will play
[05:36] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, try playing something in /usr/share/sounds/gaim/
[05:36] <humbolt> maybe it is as simple as the volume slider at the bottom of amarok not in the right position?
[05:36] <CaBlGuY> k, gimme a sec..
[05:36] <g00n> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/752778 <-- this is what I get with iwconfig... any ideas now?
[05:36] <brandon__> I'm new to ubuntu world.  I installed a beta dapper version.  Question: will mere apt-get upgrade take me to today's 6.06 release version????
[05:36] <dr_willis> yes
[05:37] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[05:37] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[05:37] <pestilence> g00n, yea, it looks like your card is working now
[05:37] <pestilence> g00n, is that your wireless network?
[05:37] <pestilence> SecureWL
[05:37] <g00n> yes
[05:37] <g00n> I don't think it is connecting though
[05:37] <pestilence> g00n, it seems you may have the encryption key wrong
[05:38] <g00n> when entering the ascii key... do I need to add anything like s:?
[05:38] <pestilence> g00n, yes
[05:38] <g00n> ahh ok
[05:38] <pestilence> g00n, e.g. iwconfig eth1 key s:password
[05:39] <g00n> ok
[05:40] <CaBlGuY> ok ok, I found a sound file and it played it..
[05:40] <CaBlGuY> :|
[05:40] <g00n> hrmm
[05:40] <CaBlGuY> this is crazy..  :-/
[05:40] <pestilence> so it must be a codec issue
[05:40] <g00n> do I need to change anything for a shared key?
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmmmm
[05:41] <pestilence> g00n, don't think so.
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> I guess so...
[05:41] <g00n> damn I have the right key
[05:41] <g00n> I am copying it from my router
[05:41] <pestilence> g00n, in hex or in ascii?
[05:41] <g00n> ascii
[05:41] <pestilence> try the hex key
[05:42] <g00n> this stupid router doesn't give me one
[05:43] <pestilence> that's odd.
[05:43] <g00n> ohh wait it does
[05:43] <g00n> you ahve to set it to do that
[05:43] <g00n> do I need to do any thing after I change the key?
[05:43] <g00n> run something?
[05:43] <pestilence> well
[05:43] <CaBlGuY> so, I guess I need some codecs then??
[05:43] <pestilence> when you set the key correctly iwconfig should report a nonzero signal strength
[05:44] <pestilence> !codecs
[05:44] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[05:44] <pestilence> !mp3
[05:44] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:44] <pestilence> there you go
[05:44] <pestilence> g00n, Link Quality will be nonzero when you get it right
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> ok thanks..
[05:44] <g00n> ok
[05:45] <g00n> hahah this sucks cause it is a 64bit key... completely correct
[05:45] <slow-motion> re
[05:46] <g00n> how do you set it as no key?
[05:46] <g00n> jsut set key to blank
[05:46] <pestilence> iwconfig eth1 enc off
[05:46] <g00n> thanks
[05:48] <Ahmuck> i need a program in that wall equalize exposure across a set of images
[05:52] <g00n_> yoyo
[05:54] <g00n_> looks like I will read through the iwconfig manual
[05:58] <humbolt> can anybody pass me his kernel line from grub? I don't remember the default options but want to set grub back to grafik mode.
[05:59] <saj> i have a problem guys. ive installed Kubuntu...but the thing is still in Gnome? am i supposed to restart the system?
[06:00] <dr_willis> the login screen has a menui to selexct what  desktop to use
[06:00] <DaSkreec1> Right
[06:01] <DaSkreec1> dr_willis: Long gone
[06:02] <dr_willis> Odd.. in konversation his name still gets highlited if i move over it
[06:02] <dr_willis> 'open a query with saj' - :P which i cant do since hes not here any more
[06:02] <dr_willis> xchat dont do it that way
[06:02] <oomph> is it possible to upgrade from the RC to the release from today via aptget?
[06:02] <DaSkreec1> Bug! :)
[06:02] <dr_willis> Konversation is neat.. but needs some work.
[06:02] <dr_willis> oomph:  i did. :P
[06:03] <oomph> how so? apt-get upgrade ?
[06:03] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[06:03] <oomph> k
[06:03] <oomph> ill give it a go
[06:04] <oomph> only difference between kubuntu and ubunto is KDE vs gnome, right?
[06:04] <DaSkreec1> And a vowel
[06:04] <dr_willis> oomph:  yea. i normally install ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop as the fiorst thing
[06:05] <DaSkreec1> ebuntu desktop!
[06:06] <dr_willis> i want a windowmaker desktop! wuwubuntu!
[06:06] <linuxmonkey> lol
[06:06] <dr_willis> and a emacs desktop emacubuntu
[06:06] <g00n_> shouln't i be able to enable my network card even if the wireless settings aren't right?
[06:06] <DaSkreec1> Wuwu!!
[06:06] <DaSkreec1> :)
[06:06] <stevekl> emacs is about as useful as a poopie flavored lollipop
[06:06] <dr_willis> stevekl:  i hear those are popular in some countries. :P
[06:07] <NickPresta> I have a pretty big problem that I have no idea how to solve. I was updating to Dapper via Adept (Changing the sources in my list from breezey to dapper) and during the installation, my power went out and the computer shut down. When I turned it back on, kdm, X, my internet connection, libraries, packages, etc were gone and since I had no internet connect (and I don't know how to establish one via console) I c
[06:07] <NickPresta> Also, I partitioned my drive and installed Dapper on another partition and I mouted /dev/hda1 (my broken breezy) and can access files and such. Any way to restore breezy?
[06:07] <DaSkreec1> NickPresta: How do you connect to the internet?
[06:08] <stevekl> Not everyone owns just one computer.
[06:08] <dr_willis> may want to backup your home dir. for a start.. just so you have backups just in case
[06:08] <NickPresta> I did that, yes.
[06:08] <oomph> !upgrade
[06:08] <stevekl> NickPresta: I would just burn and install dapper from a CD
[06:08] <NickPresta> I did that, yeah. I got all my information so I suppose its for the best...
[06:09] <dr_willis> it seems to be a good habbit to keep your /home on its own hard drive. :P or at least its own partition.
[06:09] <stevekl> And, in the future, put /home on a separate position
[06:09] <stevekl> So when you need to reinstall, you don't have to back it up
[06:09] <stevekl> dr_willis beat me!
[06:09] <stevekl> er
[06:09] <stevekl> separate partition
[06:09] <stevekl> God i'm retarded lately
[06:09] <NickPresta> How would I put my /home/ directory on it's own partition?
[06:09] <dr_willis> the more stories i hear about upgrade proboems.. the more i think a seperate /home and a clean reinstall - is the best bet.
[06:09] <stevekl> You have the option of doing so during installation
[06:10] <stevekl> when you partition the drive
[06:10] <stevekl> make a new partition and define it as /home
[06:10] <dr_willis> the parttioing tools could be a little clearer on that feature. :P
[06:10] <stevekl> dr_willis is exactly correct here
[06:10] <dr_willis> i got a spare 300gb hd for my /home :P
[06:10] <NickPresta> Indeed. I tried making my own partition for various things (like school work, job stuff, etc) but it was confusing to someone who hasn't edited a partition table before...
[06:10] <dr_willis> i got a lot of wallpaper. :P
[06:11] <dr_willis> NickPresta:  once ya do it enough - it becomes trivial. sample layout for a 1hd system
[06:11] <linuxmonkey> !mp3
[06:11] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:11] <dr_willis>  - /  (partition #1  hda1 primary) about 50gb (or so), /home (hda2)   big as ya can get.. then a hda3 = swap.
[06:12] <stevekl> NickPresta: It's actually pretty easy...just create a partition (cfdisk is the best tool for this if you're doing it to a drive which isn't mounted already), and that creates a new /dev/hda(whatever)
[06:12] <dr_willis> I like the live cds that have gparted. :P
[06:12] <NickPresta> well, now that I have both Dapper and my broken breezy on the same box, is there any graphical partition tool you suggest to remove breezey and create another partition for Windows as well as modify my current installation?
[06:12] <stevekl> So then you just put /dev/hda(whatever) in fstab, format it with the correct tool, and viola
[06:13] <g00n_> yeah gparted is nice
[06:14] <stevekl> cfdisk is technically 'graphical' but I know what you mean
[06:14] <stevekl> unfortunately i've never used anything but cfdisk so I don't know what to reccomend
[06:14] <stevekl> Even I won't touch fdisk, that program scares me
[06:15] <saj> hi...ive installed kubuntu via sudu but the desktop is still gnome...boot sequence..log in thing etc are kubuntu but after i log in its gnome:S what do i need to do?
[06:15] <kkathman> fdisk in fine hehe
[06:15] <NickPresta> The biggest thing that annoys me about this is that I lost all the customization I did. I keep pressing F12 for YaKuake. ;_;
[06:15] <kkathman> sudo fdisk -l  is a good way to see all partitions on an entire system :)
[06:16] <kkathman> course it can be a little like rm -rf  /  if you arent careful
[06:16] <sampan> nickpresta  that's the one good argument for dist-upgrade -- keep your settings -- but i'm not sure it's worth it ... i'm doing upgrade now and ... so many 'issues' that i think it might have saved time to just do a clean install
[06:16] <stevekl> kkathman: I was forced to use fdisk once, as cfdisk couldn't read my partition table because (only) one partition was messed up
[06:16] <stevekl> and I had to delete it
[06:16] <kkathman> ouch
[06:16] <stevekl> Thinking back, I think that makes cfdisk kinda lame and useless
[06:16] <stevekl> but fdisk actually saved the day, I was able to delete the partition using that
[06:16] <kkathman> I dont trust any partitioning tools
[06:16] <kkathman> right
[06:16] <stevekl> so I shoudln't badmouth fdisk
[06:16] <kkathman> lol
[06:17] <stevekl> And i'm still not sure how I managed to create a corrupt partition...
[06:17] <kkathman> parted/gparted and its variants ... now those are scary
[06:17] <saj> any one?
[06:18] <kkathman> saj if you installed ok, then when you reboot...check the options in the lower left and choose KDE...then make it the default
[06:18] <kkathman> or not
[06:18] <kkathman> heh
[06:18] <s-king>  does anyone know how to prevent kmix from starting every time you start kde?
[06:19] <s-king> working with clean sessions does not work
[06:19] <NickPresta> so if I wanted my /home directory on another partition, would I create an empty partition and then change my $HOME path to /dev/hd*/ ?
[06:19] <semq> hi
[06:19] <semq> i need help
[06:19] <semq> pcmcia failed
[06:19] <sampan> does anyone know how to make sound actually work on (my) dapper?  *cry* ;)
[06:19] <saj> kkathman: in the log in screen? where will i find the option?
[06:19] <kkathman> sampan:  what have you tried so far ?
[06:19] <stevekl> NickPresta: no
[06:20] <kkathman> saj:  on the lower left at the login
[06:20] <stevekl> NickPresta: Create the partition, and then mount it as /home
[06:20] <kkathman> saj I think it says "options"
[06:20] <stevekl> NickPresta: So move all your /home stuff to a separate location (back it up in other words)
[06:20] <stevekl> NickPresta: And then create the partition
[06:20] <saj> kkathman: thnx a billion buddy :D.
[06:20] <semq> what does "segmentation fault" mean?
[06:20] <NickPresta> ahh and then sudo mount /dev/hd* /home ?
[06:21] <sampan> kkathman  lets see ... lspci (it shows up), cat /proc/asound/cards (it shows up properly), kmix (Master and PCM (outputs) are both ON and sliders at 100%), system settings --> sound (tried OSS, ALSA, ESD, etc.) ... no sound at all
[06:21] <stevekl> NickPresta: exactly
[06:21] <skipster23> what is the best way to burn iso's to dvd
[06:21] <NickPresta> ahh ok. makes sense
[06:21] <NickPresta> thanks
[06:21] <stevekl> NickPresta: You can put a line like that in fstab so it mounts automatically
[06:21] <DaSkreec1> kkathman: You partition with a hex editor? :/
[06:21] <stevekl> let me give you an example...
[06:21] <stevekl> /dev/hda6       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[06:21] <kkathman> sampan can we go back to kmix?
[06:21] <stevekl> like that
[06:21] <sampan> kkathman  sure!
[06:21] <NickPresta> ok
[06:21] <NickPresta> thanks a lot
[06:21] <semq> someone help me please
[06:22] <kkathman> sampan:  can you please click on the Kmix, and then click on Mixer
[06:22] <skipster23> me to
[06:22] <sampan> done
[06:22] <stevekl> semq: You have to be more specific...I can tell you what a segmentaiton fault is but it won't help you
[06:22] <kkathman> sampan:  ok.. now on my system, I have the Master on (green light) and up at 100%
[06:22] <stevekl> semq: It generally means that something bad happened (a bad error) and if you get it while running a program, it means that the program's writer madea mistake
[06:23] <sampan> kkathman  yep ... mine too
[06:23] <kkathman> sampan:  then the 4th slider, PCM green on and slider up
[06:23] <sampan> kkathman  yep ... mine too -- in fact, if i click either of those green buttons there's a slight "pop" out of my speakers
[06:23] <kkathman> sampan:  everything else is off (green off)
[06:24] <semq> during boot process i get PCMCIA failed then segmentation fault then cardmgr: no sockets found then error inserting genrtc
[06:24] <kkathman> ok hmm
[06:24] <sampan> kkathman  yeah -- the PC speaker was on, but that was only because i turned it on about 30 minutes ago (it was off prior and i was just stabbing)
[06:24] <stevekl> semq: Do you use PCMCIA cards? does this error halt your system?
[06:24] <kkathman> sampan:  you are on kubuntu yes?
[06:24] <skipster23> does anyone know haw to burn iso's to dvd in kde
[06:24] <sampan> kkathman  yep -- just upgraded to dapper
[06:25] <Bilford> double click the iso
[06:25] <semq> no ive no pcmcia card
[06:25] <semq> this halts my system
[06:25] <semq> but i can still CTRL ALT F1
[06:25] <sampan> kkathman  how do i find out the exact location of my sound card?  my mobo has onboard but i want to use the sblive card -- maybe i have to put in a custom location on the sys-settings--sound area?
[06:25] <stevekl> semq: Can you log into the console at ALT-f1?
[06:25] <semq> yes
[06:25] <kkathman> sampan:  ok..lets do an alt-F2 and type kcontrol,  then choose the Sound& Multimedia
[06:26] <sampan> kkathman  k, done ...
[06:26] <skipster23> bilford: k3b tells me its not a cd, do i force the burn
[06:26] <kkathman> sampan:  ok now click the Sound System option
[06:26] <sampan> done
[06:26] <kkathman> sampan:  be sure that "Enable the sound system" is checked
[06:26] <Bilford> skipster23, no
[06:26] <stevekl> Can someone else help me with semq heh
[06:26] <sampan> lol yeah i made sure ;)
[06:27] <stevekl> semq: I'm not sure what to tell you now
[06:27] <semq> my sys halts just after giving me [xxxx.xxxx]  sometihng IPadresss something
[06:27] <kkathman> sampan:  then click the Hardware tab... whats selected as the audio device?
[06:27] <semq> ty for answering me
[06:27] <kkathman> sampan:  probably will be "Autodetect"
[06:28] <sampan> kkathman  hardware dev is "autodetect" -- but i've tried each and every item in the list (OSS, ALSA, ESD, NAS, and "threaded OSS")
[06:28] <semq> this may be due to vmware?
[06:28] <semq> i ve this prob since i updated to drapper
[06:28] <skipster23> bilforb: the error Reads  "found media: DVD+R (empty)  Please insert an empty CD-R(W) medium into drive
[06:29] <kkathman> sampan:  hmm..
[06:29] <semq> scuse my english
[06:29] <skipster23> can anyone else help
[06:29] <kkathman> interesting.. I just checked my sound and I'm now getting nothing
[06:29] <kkathman> odd
[06:29] <sampan> kkathman  my mobo has onboard sound -- but i've disabled it in BIOS, maybe i need to "override device location" (same hardware tab) -- but how do i find where the SBLive card is at?
[06:30] <kkathman> ahh never mind it works :)
[06:30] <kkathman> just my system notifications seems weird
[06:30] <stevekl> semq: I would say "turn off pcmcia support"but I have no idea HOW to do that...
[06:30] <semq> ok
[06:30] <kkathman> sampan:  go back to the Sound System again and click the Test Sound and see what happens
[06:31] <stevekl> semq: Have you upgraded since? (done the apt-get dist-upgrade I mean)?
[06:31] <semq> i look for it
[06:31] <dr_willis> pcmcia=off as a kernel boot option (i think)
[06:31] <semq> no
[06:31] <sampan> kkathman  *nod* that's how i've been testing -- it's just silent
[06:31] <kkathman> hmmm
[06:31] <kkathman> this is indeed odd
[06:32] <semq> doing it now
[06:32] <stevekl> semq: I would dist-upgrade again (after updating, of course)
[06:32] <sampan> i have a sneaking suspicion that the upgrade lost my setting for the sound card location and that's what's borking this up -- because there was at least one big audio glitch in the upgrade
[06:33] <skipster23> nevermind i figured it out without anyones help thanks
[06:33] <kkathman> sampan:  for some reason I dont seem to be able to get system notifications
[06:33] <kkathman> but sound works when I click the "Test Sound"
[06:33] <robotgeek> hey kkathman
[06:33] <sampan> kkathman  strange
[06:33] <semq> o well 1hour 20mn to DL
[06:33] <linuxmonkey> are the any issues installing the nvidia drivers on kubuntu dapper
[06:33] <sampan> kkathman at least you're getting SOME sound -- i can't get a thing ... no bell, no mp3s, no oggs, no sys notifications, no test sounds
[06:34] <kkathman> hmm but this is a bit disturbing
[06:34] <stevekl> I haven't been getting any upgrades for a few days, even when running dist-upgrade...does this mean release of dapper has settled down, or something?
[06:34] <skipster23> linuxmonkey: is it possible and how would i go about doing it
[06:34] <sampan> kkathman, believe me, i'm disturbed too!
[06:34] <kkathman> sampan:  maybe there is something in the wiki
[06:34] <kkathman> I'll check
[06:34] <sampan> errr, that sounded wrong
[06:34] <dickhall> so what's the general consensus - upgrading 5.10->6.06 is pretty safe?
[06:35] <stevekl> oh it's released huh
[06:35] <sampan> dickhall, it borked my sound in a big way (and i've seen at least one other person with what seemed to be the same problem) -- but YMMV
[06:35] <chakie> i still don't dare upgrade and break my system
[06:35] <semq> yes not beta yet
[06:36] <kkathman> sampan:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingSoundProblems
[06:36] <skipster23> dickhall: i like 6.06 it runs a little slow but much faster than winblows
[06:36] <scorpion007> how can I disable the apm module from loading?
[06:36] <stevekl> dskjdshfkjdsf my connections hELP
[06:36] <semq> dickhall: don't do that
[06:37] <dickhall> I'm planning on going to Dapper regardless, just wondering if the upgrade was any smoother
[06:37] <stevekl> scorpion007: install rcconf, run it (as root) and you can uncheck the apmd init thingie
[06:37] <kkathman> hmm odd I wonder why I cant get any system notifications?
[06:37] <robotgeek> dickhall: been on dapper since 6 months, works fine
[06:37] <dickhall> robotgeek: did you upgrade from breezy?
[06:37] <semq> dick do u have vmware? if so u should uninstall it
[06:38] <robotgeek> dickhall: nope, but i did upgrade a wmware breezy image all the way to dapper
[06:38] <stevekl> *weeps* my wireless has gone completely slow and useless
[06:38] <dickhall> robotgeek: and?
[06:39] <kkathman> sampan:  hehe.. do me a favor and go back to the kcontrol->sound&multimedia->Sound system... then click the defaults, then click APPLY and see what happens
[06:39] <robotgeek> dickhall: works fine
[06:39] <dickhall> hoary was my first kubuntu, and breezy was released a week later, so I tried the upgrade - borked everything
[06:39] <NickPresta> are all the build essentials standard with dapper?
[06:40] <sampan> kkathman  still nothing :/
[06:40] <dickhall> okay
[06:40] <kkathman> awww... my system notifications came back
[06:40] <kakalto> !upgrade
[06:40] <ubotu> [upgrade]  Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[06:40] <kkathman> sampan:  perhaps robotgeek might have some other ideas
[06:41] <Blake7984> how big should my boot partition be
[06:41] <scorpion007> stevekl: thanks, I'll try it
[06:41] <sampan> thanks kkathman :)  it's baffling to me ... and i'm tearing tufts of hair out as i type ... ;X
[06:42] <sampan> robotgeek, essentially i have NO sound at all since the upgrade ... but no obvious reason for the problem (kmix is right, lspci lists my card, cat /proc/asound/cards shows my card too)
[06:43] <kakalto> erm...
[06:43] <kakalto> why does it say that the default upgrade option has been reported as not working?
[06:43] <robotgeek> sampan: no clue about soundacards, sorry
[06:44] <robotgeek> sampan: file a bug :)
[06:44] <farous> sampan: i had the same prob. remove the old gstreamer hidden files .gstreamer-0.8
[06:44] <sampan> farous, all of them?  sudo apt-get remove *gstreamer-0.8*  ?
[06:44] <stevekl> Is the dapper install CD X only?
[06:45] <farous> sampan: you can check by adding a new user and see if he can access the sound card. also turned out that by default my old account was denied access to sound. so i had to re adjust that
[06:45] <sampan> robotgeek  that's alright -- thanks for taking a look :)
[06:45] <stevekl> is there an option to run it without X?
[06:45] <stevekl> i'd *really* like to do it the old way like with breezy
[06:45] <farous> sampan: you can do that but under your home dir you have a hidden old .gstreamer-0,8 dir
[06:45] <sampan> farous, oh ... should i just delete that hidden dir?
[06:46] <farous> sampan: yap and check that your user name have access to sound devices
[06:46] <farous> just give your username admin permission again. This given that no problems are with your sound card
[06:47] <sampan> farous, there's only one file in that dir registry.xml ... i'll check the user thing right now
[06:47] <scorpion007> stevekl: thanks, turning apm off stopped my mouse from locking up. I tried passing noapm and apm=off on the command line but it didn't seem to work in dapper