[12:09] <Darkkish> lol i'm going to have to do everything all over again
[12:09] <Darkkish> when i reinstall linux on my new harddrive next week
[12:09] <fritsch> zipper: you did sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-686
[12:09] <geneo93> well there are bugs in2.6.15-23 thats why
[12:09] <Darkkish> is there an easy way to just copy everything over?
[12:09] <zipper> fritsch, yes
[12:10] <fritsch> zipper: please do sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-686
[12:10] <milos> rafael?
[12:10] <zipper> fritsch, already got that one
[12:10] <fritsch> no
[12:10] <fritsch> zipper: you did not!
[12:10] <fritsch> zipper: it provides the nvidia.ko modul
[12:11] <zipper> fritsch, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-686 is already the newest version.
[12:11] <zipper> fritsch, i did.
[12:11] <fritsch> zipper: what tells: dpkg -l |grep restricted
[12:11] <zipper> but notice the 15-23... i'm not running kernel 2.6.15-23.
[12:12] <fritsch> this is okay
[12:12] <zipper> fritsch, what should i be looking for? I'm not lying to you, i do have those packages
[12:12] <fritsch> zipper: please do:
[12:12] <fritsch> zipper: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-686
[12:13] <fritsch> zipper: if this does not work! please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:13] <zipper> fritsch,  we tried that already remember? lnux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-686 isn't in my repositories
[12:13] <milos> Ok, people thanks for trying (you know, this is why I like using some hc distros, like slack:). Although, for beginners Kubuntu looks quite promising.  It does seems like it already understands all the repositories, but i guess it couldnt hurt
[12:21] <TheHighChild> zipper_: If that doesn't work, you can try my sources.list if you'd like
[12:21] <zipper_> TheHighChild, do you have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26 in your repositories? Can you find that package?
[12:21] <TheHighChild> yes
[12:22] <zipper_> then yes, i'd very much like to see your sources.list
[12:23] <TheHighChild> zipper_: http://milkspank.com/ubuntu/sources.list
[12:23] <zipper_> TheHighChild, thanks
[12:24] <zipper_> TheHighChild, so you also have repositories for opera, wine and? http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb <- what is that for?
[12:25] <TheHighChild> I don't know how fluent you are and haven't followed your conversation long. Here's what you'll want to do. Go to that page, ctrl + a, then ctrl + c. Then 'sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak' then 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and shift + insert to paste. Then ctrl + o to save and ctrl + x to quit, then type 'sudo apt-get update' in the konsole
[12:25] <TheHighChild> zipper_: Off hand I don't know. I'm not suggesting you permanently replace your sources with mine, but it will be fine for a test
[12:26] <fritsch> zipper_: can give you mine, they are "more or less" standart + kde 3.5.4 + amarok 1.4.1 + newest k3b
[12:26] <zipper_> TheHighChild, thank you, but i'm somewhat familiar with linux.
[12:26] <TheHighChild> zipper_: then 'apt-cache search restricted' and see if it shows up for you
[12:26] <TheHighChild> ok
[12:26] <zipper_> fritsch, couldn't hurt
[12:27] <zipper_> wierd
[12:27] <apallo19> hey daskreech
[12:27] <zipper_> with your sources.list, -26 does show up
[12:27] <zipper_> great
[12:27] <zipper_> but wierd
[12:27] <TheHighChild> awesome
[12:27] <Darkkish> its my graphix card guys
[12:27] <apallo19> don't suppose you remember that package i need to download to get smbmount to work?
[12:28] <Darkkish> nvida drivers don't work with the 6600GT models
[12:28] <TheHighChild> Darkkish: Mine work great
[12:28] <zipper_> Darkkish, it doesnt? I've used linux with 6600gt without any problems
[12:28] <Hawkwind> Darkkish: Several people here use a 6600GT
[12:28] <zipper_> debian, but still shouldnt make a difference
[12:28] <Darkkish> 5i3rhgk
[12:28] <Darkkish> well
[12:28] <Darkkish> what model?
[12:28] <Darkkish> er
[12:28] <Darkkish> what manufacturer*
[12:29] <zipper_> Darkkish, manufacturer shouldn't matter
[12:29] <geneo93> Darkkish:  what driver number
[12:29] <apallo19> nevermind
[12:29] <zipper_> TheHighChild, uuh, now i also have 51 updates to packages, interresting
[12:29] <fritsch> zipper_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/sources.list
[12:29] <TheHighChild> Darkkish: If you'd like a copy of my x11.org, I'dbe happy to provide it for reference
[12:29] <zipper_> fritsch, thank you very much
[12:30] <Darkkish> sure
[12:30] <Darkkish> TheHighChild: please
[12:30] <TheHighChild> zipper_: Don't do an upgrade. Just install the module.  I've seen it before a number of times.
[12:31] <zipper_> fritsch, how's kde 3.5.4 working out for you?
[12:31] <TheHighChild> give me a sec Darkkish, it's on my other machine
[12:31] <fritsch> zipper_: great
[12:31] <zipper_> TheHighChild, then removing them should've made a difference, which it didnt
[12:32] <Darkkish> i just tried installing via adept
[12:32] <geneo93> make sure you have 8762 driver
[12:32] <Darkkish> and it screwed up my linux so bad i had to reformat
[12:32] <zipper_> Darkkish, kde 3.5.4?
[12:32] <fritsch> zipper_: no his nvidia driver
[12:32] <zipper_> oh, okay
[12:33] <zipper_> Darkkish, you couldn't just have gone to a console and used the 'nv' driver in xorg.conf instead of 'nvidia' ?
[12:33] <zipper_> at least untill you fixed your problem
[12:33] <Darkkish> zipper_:  i'm very new
[12:33] <Darkkish> and also my console has issues
[12:34] <zipper_> oh okay
[12:34] <Darkkish> at random it says "unkown keystroke"
[12:34] <Darkkish> :-/
[12:34] <Darkkish> any ideas?
[12:34] <zipper_> Darkkish, i stay away from keyboard layout problems... i hate them so much, i'd much rather help you compile and install an alpha kernel if thats of any interrest?
[12:35] <Darkkish> why would i be getting the problem?
[12:35] <zipper_> (since your new, you dont want to do that actually)
[12:35] <zipper_> no idea, my guess is something is wrong with your keyboard layout
[12:35] <Darkkish> well when i hit the buttons
[12:35] <Darkkish> they still work
[12:36] <Darkkish> even though i get the message
[12:36] <Darkkish> its just distracting
[12:36] <Darkkish> it would work fine if i could supress the messages
[12:36] <zipper_> hmm... i guess i shouldn't have tried enabling standby on my laptop, now i cannot turn on the power anymore :P
[12:36] <zipper_> Darkkish, i'm sorry, i dont know whats causing it
[12:37] <TheHighChild> Darkkish: http://milkspank.com/ubuntu/xorg.conf
[12:37] <fritsch> zipper_: take out the battery
[12:37] <Darkkish> i only get it when not in KDE
[12:37] <Darkkish> the errors
[12:37] <fritsch> that could be normal
[12:37] <Darkkish> konsole doesn't show them
[12:37] <zipper_> fritsch, i know i know, still annyoing acpi is so badly supported still
[12:37] <fritsch> because the kernel map does not know what to do with these events
[12:37] <TheHighChild> Darkkish: That's my xorg with my Nvidia 6600GT, running with the 'nvidia' driver and an MX510 mouse
[12:38] <Darkkish> nah
[12:38] <fritsch> zipper_: what machine?
[12:38] <Darkkish> zipper_:  my dads dell has that problem and it runs windows
[12:38] <Darkkish> TheHighChild: thanks
[12:38] <fritsch> zipper_: what about the nvidia issue?
[12:38] <fritsch> zipper_: working?
[12:38] <zipper_> fritsch, the most linux unfriendly laptop known to man : Asus A6R.
[12:38] <zipper_> fritsch, haven't had a chance to fix it, working on both machines at the same time
[12:39] <fritsch> zipper_: mmmh could you please do it ...
[12:39] <fritsch> zipper_: i just wait for you
[12:41] <zipper_> fritsch, seems like its working, although i still get that error : http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2050
[12:41] <zipper_> very annoying, and i have no idea whats causing it
[12:42] <fritsch> zipper_: this is normal, because you do not have this grapchis tablette, but your xorg.conf has devices for it
[12:42] <fritsch> zipper_: you could modprobe nvidia?
[12:42] <fritsch> zipper_: then please try starting kdm with nvidia
[12:42] <zipper_> ah okay, give me a sec and i'll test
[12:44] <fritsch> zipper_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/xorg.conf <- widhtout the unwanted devices
[12:44] <fritsch> zipper: working?
[12:44] <zipper> fritsch, yes
[12:44] <fritsch> zipper: cool :-) so me is going to bed now ;-)
[12:44] <user_> has anyone got NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8762-pkg2 to work ?
[12:44] <zipper> fritsch, wait a second please
[12:45] <fritsch> user_: ok
[12:45] <zipper> fritsch, in that xorg.conf you just removed the input devices stylus, curser and eraser right?
[12:45] <fritsch> zipper: yes
[12:45] <zipper> ah okay
[12:45] <fritsch> zipper: do not forget to remo them in ServerLayout
[12:46] <qbert> hey all, im trying to get mysql-server4.1 but cant find it, I enabled the universe from within manage repositroies but its still not showing up
[12:46] <fritsch> qbert: sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[12:46] <fritsch> qbert: this installs 5.0.22
[12:47] <qbert> testing
[12:47] <zipper> fritsch, editing xorg.conf to remove those, i noticed something wierd
[12:47] <fritsch> zipper: yes?
[12:47] <zipper> fritsch, kubuntu detects my nvidia 7900gt as "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] "
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: lol no
[12:48] <zipper> agpgart works, glxgears work, everything
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: correct xorg log?
[12:48] <zipper> it's the default xorg.conf
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: correct nvidia driver?
[12:48] <zipper> the driver is correct, yes
[12:48] <zipper> but the identifier is a bit wierd
[12:48] <Darkkish> !pastebin
[12:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: ah okay
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: this is no problem
[12:48] <zipper> i know it's not a problem
[12:48] <zipper> it's still wierd though
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: just the ubuntu installer detects it like this
[12:48] <user_> how do i exit X to build nvidia drivers ?
[12:48] <whizz-> can the command line history for konsole be cleared?
[12:49] <fritsch> zipper: what says lspci
[12:49] <zipper> what it should say
[12:49] <fritsch> zipper: perhaps it assumes its a radeon *G*
[12:49] <zipper> but why would it do that? I dont get it
[12:49] <user_> how do i exit X server ?
[12:49] <Darkkish> lol
[12:50] <Darkkish> that will get rid of KDE
[12:50] <Darkkish> you MIGHT want to try installing via adept, but wait forsomeone else to confirm
[12:50] <Darkkish> because i am NOT an expert
[12:50] <fritsch> !nvidia > user_
[12:50] <user_> i need to exit X to build the nvidia driver i also have to telinit 3
[12:50] <fritsch> !nvidia > me
[12:51] <fritsch> !nvidia > fritsch
[12:52] <fritsch> user_: please read the howto i sent to you
[12:52] <user_> thanks :)
[12:53] <user_> i was going to build NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8762-pkg2
[12:53] <fritsch> user_: the good of a userfriendly distri ist, that you do not have to compile such things for yourself
[12:53] <fritsch> user_: everything is done
[12:53] <zipper> FUCK!
[12:53] <zipper> sorry for my language, but dammit
[12:53] <fritsch> user_: no dont do that ... ubuntu provides you with such
[12:53] <fritsch> what happened?
[12:53] <user_> ok cool :)
[12:54] <zipper> just made my wireless connection work, my touchpad work, my gfxcard work, my screen work, made everything work on my laptop except the soundcard. I now realise i have to do a clean install in order to get that working :(
[12:54] <fritsch> zipper: why?
[12:54] <fritsch> zipper: dont think so
[12:54] <user_> is this what i want to be looking at then https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia ?
[12:54] <fritsch> user_: yes
[12:54] <user_> cool :)
[12:55] <zipper> fritsch, well, i think i've messed around a bit too much with modules and ndiswrapper to get back to basics... i need to find out what module was initially used for my soundcard
[12:55] <fritsch> zipper: just reinstall the kernel
[12:55] <fritsch> zipper: udev discover autoload you soundcard modules
[12:55] <Pagan0ne> a useful tip to anyone thinking about it, dont try to boot the kubuntu live cd on a 266 PII w/ 100MB sd ram, it doesnt like it too much :^
[12:55] <rafael_> hi people
[12:55] <zipper> meh, that would mess up a lot of stuff =/
[12:55] <rafael_> i just installed ut2004 trought the .sh script on the cd
[12:55] <fritsch> zipper: lsmod |grep snd
[12:55] <fritsch> zipper: sound should be the less problem
[12:55] <rafael_> it installed just fine, but when i try to run it
[12:56] <rafael_> i only see the splash screen
[12:56] <fritsch> zipper: alternatively compile alsa from source and use alsaconf
[12:56] <rafael_> it closes then the game dont open
[12:56] <fritsch> zipper: but me is goning to sleep :-)
[12:56] <zipper> fritsch, you would think so, but a quick google for "a6r sound problem" reveal something else
[12:56] <fritsch> zipper: could be patched in latest alsa
[12:56] <zipper> fritsch, i cant use udev discover, since i made my own module which is currently used for my soundcard.  Thanks for your help
[12:56] <fritsch> zipper: cant you give that laptop back?
[12:57] <zipper> give it back? As in return it to get my money back?
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: udev/discover ist used default, i would not suggest you uninstalling udev
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: yes
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: buy a thinkpad
[12:57] <zipper> it's a really great laptop, it's just very badly supported in linux
[12:57] <zipper> thinkpads are too expensive
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: so its a bad laptop
[12:57] <zipper> no
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: there are special offers for students
[12:57] <zipper> linux support is far from the most important thing in a laptop
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: i once installed on a Asus V6V
[12:58] <zipper> build quality, battery life, screen quality is way more important to me than linux support
[12:58] <fritsch> zipper: everything worked, but asus broken patched bios etc.
[12:58] <zipper> if i can get linux on it, great, if not, too bad.
[12:58] <fritsch> zipper: wuss
[12:58] <zipper> i'm not a wuss, i'm just being reasonable :P
[12:58] <zipper> either way, 99% of laptops arent very well supported
[12:58] <fritsch> zipper: man - linux is freedom - M$ will make a slavery to all people who cannot have 350$ to buy office and OS itself
[12:59] <fritsch> zipper: no :-) just say no
[12:59] <whizz-> can the command line history for konsole be cleared?
[12:59] <fritsch> zipper: i know of at least 100 different laptops, i got "at least" running
[12:59] <user_> do you need to do the linux-restricted-modules bit in kubuntu ?
[12:59] <zipper> fritsch, if i had all the money in the world, i would. But while you live in la-la land, i have to actually pay bills. Thats why i got an a6r instead of a thinkpad
[12:59] <fritsch> whizz-: just delete your .bash_history *g*
[12:59] <user_> im guessing no as they are already installed ?
[12:59] <fritsch> me lives in lala land?
[01:00] <zipper> fritsch, my laptop is running great. I just need soundcard support, which isn't all that important really
[01:00] <fritsch> zipper: what did it cost?
[01:00] <zipper> ~1000$
[01:00] <fritsch> zipper: what is this in euro?
[01:00] <fritsch> zipper: mmmh, aprox the same?
[01:00] <zipper> in my currency, probably 700$ if you look on american prices
[01:00] <whizz-> ah.. thx, fritsch
[01:00] <zipper> tax, VAT and stuff is killing
[01:00] <fritsch> zipper: where do you live?
[01:00] <zipper> denmark
[01:01] <viksa> can someone help me to configure my tv card ?
[01:01] <fritsch> zipper: mmmh okay, but "lala land" <- this was not nice :-)
[01:01] <zipper> fritsch, neither was calling me a wuss
[01:01] <fritsch> zipper: lol :-) it was a german word
[01:01] <fritsch> zipper: did not know it`s sth bad in denmark, really sorry
[01:02] <zipper> sth ?
[01:02] <fritsch> zipper: it just means "what"
[01:02] <fritsch> something
[01:02] <fritsch> zipper: what is a wuzz?
[01:02] <qbert> fritsch the mysql-server is giving me 4.0.21, do i need to enable universe repositories ?
[01:02] <zipper> fritsch, lol, 'wuss' in english
[01:02] <fritsch> zipper: yes?
[01:02] <zipper> fritsch, which is what we're speaking at the moment, a 'wuss' is a coward
[01:02] <user_> is this normal after running nvidia-glx-config enable Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[01:02] <fritsch> qbert: are you running breezy?
[01:03] <fritsch> user_: just change /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand
[01:03] <user_> This script cannot proceed automatically.
[01:03] <fritsch> user_: just chage nv to nvidia
[01:03] <zipper> fritsch, besides, questions are usually followed by a question mark
[01:03] <Darkkish> GOOOOAAAAL!
[01:03] <Darkkish> :-D
[01:03] <Darkkish> thx man
[01:03] <Darkkish> thanks*
[01:03] <qbert> dunno, uname -a = ubuntu 2.6.12-9
[01:03] <fritsch> zipper: yes of course
[01:03] <fritsch> zipper: me is looking up wuss (still really sorry)
[01:03] <zipper> fritsch, oh well, just a misunderstanding then, dont worry too much about it
[01:03] <fritsch> qbert: okay this is breezy
[01:04] <fritsch> qbert: i am running dapper, dont know of mysql for breezy
[01:04] <fritsch> zipper: good night! see you soon
[01:05] <fritsch> wargh just looked up "wuss" in english bad in german dialectly for "what?" :-)
[01:05] <fritsch> cu
[01:07] <user_> is that it just change nv to nvidia and then ctrl-alt backspace ?
[01:07] <user_> or do i change nv to nvidia then run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable again ?
[01:07] <Kr4t05> Where would I find libmp3lame.so in my system?
[01:08] <zipper> user_, according to what i've been reading you've been doing, changing to nvidia and ctrl+alt+backspace would be the way to go
[01:08] <user_> cool :) brb
[01:08] <zipper> user_, if you see a large nvidia logo when you start up x again, nvidia drivers are loaded
[01:09] <Darkkish> zipper: how do i edit my nvidia settings?
[01:09] <user_> nice nice i saw the nvidia logo :)
[01:09] <Darkkish> me too! :)
[01:09] <Darkkish> i just got it working for me
[01:09] <Darkkish> :)
[01:09] <user_> now how do i change the resolution ?
[01:09] <Darkkish> lofl
[01:09] <Darkkish> lol*
[01:09] <zipper> user_, try system settings -> display
[01:10] <zipper> Darkkish, what nvidia settings do you want to change?
[01:10] <ICE> !freenx
[01:10] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[01:10] <Darkkish> zipper: idk yet
[01:10] <Darkkish> zipper: i want to see them... is there a menu?
[01:10] <zipper> Darkkish, then it's quite hard to tell you what to do =/
[01:10] <zipper> Darkkish, if you're looking for the same setup menu nvidia drivers in windows has, you're going to look for a long time, you wont find them
[01:11] <Darkkish> zipper:  haha k thanks :(
[01:11] <zipper> Darkkish, most is done in hand, by editing xorg.conf
[01:11] <user_> cheers zipper :)
[01:11] <zipper> user_, no problem
[01:11] <zipper> user_, if the nvidia logo bothers you, you can remove it. The nvidia guide on the wiki explains how
[01:11] <Darkkish> if i have an LCD moniter
[01:11] <Darkkish> is it ok to have a 75hz refresh rate?
[01:11] <soulrider> hi everyone
[01:12] <zipper> Darkkish, should be, unless you've specified something wierd in the monitor section of xorg.conf
[01:12] <Darkkish> zipper: i thought the refresh rate for LCD was 60hz
[01:13] <zipper> Darkkish, normally, it is
[01:13] <user_> in xorg.conf it metions the resolutions the monitor can support but in display settings it only goes to 1024x768 max ?
[01:13] <Darkkish> zipper: but 75 won't hurt anything?
[01:13] <zipper> Darkkish, however, if your screen accepts 75hz, why not use it?
[01:13] <Darkkish> zipper: very true
[01:13] <zipper> Darkkish, i very much doubt that. If the screen doesnt support a resolution/refresh rate it normally just turns blank. Shouldn't be possible to damage your screen that way
[01:14] <Darkkish> user_: how big is your moniter in inches? or cm?
[01:15] <zipper> user_, are you sure your monitor support resolutions bigger than 1024x768?
[01:15] <user_> i have a HDTV with DVI :)
[01:15] <Darkkish> my thoughts too
[01:15] <user_> 32 inch :)
[01:15] <Darkkish> ahahahaa
[01:15] <user_> lol
[01:15] <Darkkish> that is odd then
[01:16] <Darkkish> mine is 17" and it runs 1280x1024
[01:16] <Darkkish> 17 inch
[01:16] <user_> its great as a 32inch monitor only 600 quid from www.lowestonweb.com :)
[01:16] <zipper> user_, are you new to linux and/or editing xorg.conf by hand?
[01:16] <user_> does 1080
[01:16] <Darkkish> i have no idea how much a quid is
[01:17] <Darkkish> yeah 1080p it should
[01:17] <zipper> Darkkish, hdtv doesnt support 1280x1024, max is normally 1280x720
[01:17] <zipper> ah
[01:17] <zipper> 1080, impressive. My 32 inch hdtv doesnt support that
[01:17] <Darkkish> zipper: oh yeah >_> good point
[01:17] <Darkkish> hah
[01:17] <user_> i used to have some linux experience back in the day lol and i got a sharp zaurus :)
[01:17] <Darkkish> i wish i had an HD tv
[01:17] <qbert> 600 quid = 1000 US Dollar
[01:17] <Darkkish> oh
[01:17] <Darkkish> cool
[01:17] <Darkkish> so its like the same as 1rand?
[01:18] <Darkkish> r1
[01:18] <zipper> qbert, also known as : Either he stole it, or he's lying. No 32 inch hdtv that support 1080 go for 1000$
[01:18] <qbert> quid is a british poind
[01:18] <Darkkish> not sure how to spell ran
[01:18] <Darkkish> uh...
[01:18] <Darkkish> that might not be right then
[01:18] <Darkkish> ~2 brittish pounds = 1 dollar
[01:18] <qbert> I got a HDTV projector with 1080i for $700
[01:18] <zipper> Darkkish, hdtv's are a waste of money anyway.  Could just as well buy a hdtv lcd
[01:20] <zipper> Drako60, not really, but ask your question and we'll do our best
[01:20] <Drako60> alright, i have a major problem here, i did apt-get dist-upgrade, and now the new kernel will not boot, and i can't find any of my audio devices, alsa fails, arts fails, xine fails, gsstreamer fails, all of them fail to find a compatable device
[01:20] <zipper> Why would you to dist-upgrade? You're using breezy or you wanted xgl?
[01:20] <Darkkish> is wine the best.. not emulator?
[01:20] <user_> its 1080i not 1080p http://www.lowestonweb.com/Products/DisplayInfoMain.asp?e=ADC83F19-4861-4978-BC41-428E641F58C9
[01:21] <zipper> Darkkish, depends what you want to use it for
[01:21] <Drako60> i was using breezy
[01:21] <user_> 549 now :)
[01:21] <Drako60> i'm still using the kernel from breezy since i can't get the dapper kernel to boot
[01:21] <Darkkish> zipper: attempting to play WoW
[01:22] <zipper> Darkkish, i would probably go for cedega (formerly known as wineX). It isn't for free, but it is usually better at emulating directx and games in general than wine
[01:22] <Darkkish> zipper: not free? how much is it?
[01:22] <zipper> Darkkish, can't remember
[01:22] <zipper> Darkkish, anyway, you could always try out wine first
[01:23] <zipper> and then consider cedega if it doesnt work out too well
[01:23] <user_> Darkkish i play wow on US servers :)
[01:23] <Darkkish> user_: burning blade?
[01:23] <user_> Cenarius :)
[01:23] <Darkkish> i'm not playing today because of upgrades
[01:23] <Darkkish> cool
[01:23] <user_> 47 alliance warrior
[01:23] <Darkkish> haha
[01:23] <Darkkish> i have
[01:24] <Darkkish> 22 mage, 22 roge, 13 worlock
[01:24] <user_> cool :)
[01:24] <Darkkish> i'm still trying out different characters
[01:24] <Darkkish> i like my lock, but it sucks against mehcanical because you can't fear em, or tank em
[01:24] <user_> i was thinking of trying to get vmware running and playing WOW on XP
[01:24] <Darkkish> eh
[01:24] <Darkkish> i would rather just dual boot then install XP on vm
[01:24] <zipper> user_, sorry for not answering you btw. If you're not extremely comfortable with xorg.conf and nvidia drivers, dont attempt to get your dual-screen setup working well.  I just know they charge *something* for it
[01:26] <admin_> sorry, spanish channel?
[01:26] <Darkkish> zipper: it is, i looked it up
[01:26] <Drako60> 1366x768
[01:26] <Darkkish> admin_: #knoppix_es
[01:26] <Darkkish> er
[01:26] <Darkkish> no
[01:26] <Darkkish> admin_: #kubuntu_es
[01:26] <Darkkish> lol
[01:26] <user_> what could i use for WOW and battlefield2 other than VMware ?
[01:26] <zipper> user_, oh, so you only have your hdtv connected as the only screen? Should make things easier
[01:26] <admin_> thanks
[01:26] <Darkkish> np
[01:26] <Darkkish> hahahah
[01:26] <Darkkish> BF2 in linux
[01:26] <Darkkish> lol
[01:26] <zipper> user_, you could use wine or cedega
[01:27] <user_> cool :)
[01:27] <Kr4t05> !cedega > user_
[01:27] <Darkkish> i'm going to try wine
[01:27] <zipper> Kr4t05, actually i heard someone talk about bf2 running more smoothly in wine than in cedega these days, but haven't tried either myself
[01:27] <user_> thanks Kr4t05
[01:27] <Darkkish> !cedega > darkkish
[01:27] <zipper> !cedega
[01:27] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on wine, aimed at running windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[01:27] <zipper> !wine
[01:27] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[01:27] <Kr4t05> zipper: I wouldn't doubt it.
[01:28] <Kr4t05> zipper: It seems that TransGaming is pulling a Microsoft.
[01:28] <Darkkish> my friend said he got WoW working in wine rather well
[01:28] <Darkkish> yesterday
[01:28] <user_> Darkkish do you want to open a channel and we can both install wine
[01:29] <Darkkish> uh
[01:29] <Kr4t05> It seems mort probable that MS execs are paying TransGaming to keep them from giving Wine all of their fixes.
[01:29] <Darkkish> sure
[01:29] <zipper> Kr4t05, TransGaming isn't even reporting back to the wine project anymore =/
[01:29] <Darkkish> /join #kubuntu_wine
[01:29] <Darkkish> @ user_
[01:29] <zipper> Kr4t05, but what can you do? If you want to be a gamer in linux, cedega probably is your best choice
[01:29] <Kr4t05> zipper: Figures.
[01:29] <Kr4t05> zipper: zipper, I broke down and went back to dual-booting, today.
[01:30] <Kr4t05> I put you're name twice... o0
[01:30] <Kr4t05> your*
[01:30] <zipper> :)
[01:30] <Drako60> well i have no clue what to do
[01:30] <zipper_> Kr4t05, dont feel bad, i have dual-boot on all my machines
[01:31] <zipper_> Kr4t05, since there are some applications i cant find a _good_ replacement for
[01:31] <rubikcube> hi everyone, any hint on how to make Konsole show nethack with colours?
[01:31] <tk> nethack as in the old game?
[01:32] <Kr4t05> zipper_: If I knew more code, I would try to help these developers, but all I know is some simple C++. :/
[01:32] <rubikcube> nethack in console mode, yes
[01:32] <tk> wow, aint heard that in years :P
[01:32] <rubikcube> it works with colours in the real console
[01:32] <tk> I cant help, just shocked to hear about nethack these days
[01:33] <rubikcube> (on tty1-6), but not in kde in the Konsole
[01:33] <rubikcube> why that?
[01:33] <zipper_> Kr4t05, if i had the time and skill, i probably would too. But as things are right now, i'll just keep windows for those few applications i cannot replace atm
[01:33] <Kr4t05> rubikcube: Open Konsole and go to Settings -> Configure Konsole.
[01:33] <tk> I aint heard or seen anything about nethack in 12 years when I was on my 2400bps modem :P
[01:33] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I do DJing for a shoutcast station, and I pretty much need Winamp and the DSP plugin.
[01:33] <rubikcube> tk: then join #nethack :)
[01:34] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Also, I can't live without Guild Wars. :)
[01:34] <tk> rubikcube: ahh interesting, i might have to give that a try when I aint heading to work ;)
[01:34] <tk> never played the online version
[01:34] <zipper_> Kr4t05, guild wars can be emulated, i even think it's under transgaming "supported games" list. Isn't there a dsp plugin for xmms?
[01:34] <rubikcube> Kr4t05: can't find anything interesting there
[01:34] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Theu both kinda suck.
[01:35] <Kr4t05> rubikcube: Oh, I thought it was there, somewhere.
[01:35] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I also can't justify paying for Cedega, when I've already paid for my games.
[01:35] <rubikcube> Kr4t05: I thought it could be something with the encoding, but tried out all european and utf settings...
[01:35] <Kr4t05> Seems redundant to me.
[01:36] <zipper_> Kr4t05, you'd rather pay 100$ for windows than 5$ a month to transgaming?
[01:36] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I didn't pay $100 for Windows.
[01:37] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I got it for $75 on Ebay, and this was before I learned about Kubuntu.
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> hrm, ever since upgrading to kde354 k3b won't quit.
[01:37] <lengau> @zipper_: Isn't the full version of Windows $200? I thought $100 was just for the upgrade.
[01:37] <zipper_> lengau, probably, i was just guessing
[01:37] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Nope.
[01:38] <lengau> @zipper_: Okay.
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> I've heard windows XP pro full going for $135 or so.
[01:38] <Kr4t05> zipper_: It depends on what versoin you're getting.
[01:38] <Kr4t05> zipper_: XP Pro costs more than Home, but Media Center costs most.
[01:38] <Kr4t05> zipper_: As well as Server Edition.
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> they all cost your your sanity.
[01:38] <Kr4t05> I
[01:39] <zipper_> Kr4t05, you dont have to apologise to me, i also use windows :)
[01:39] <actinic> what's 64 bit going for, same price?
[01:39] <Kr4t05> actinic: when x64 first came out, they gave it out to exhisting XP Pro owners.
[01:39] <Kr4t05> But, that ended awhile ago.
[01:39] <Kr4t05> O
[01:39] <Kr4t05> I
[01:40] <Kr4t05> Argh...
[01:40] <Darkkish> i can get it for about $20
[01:40] <Darkkish> legally
[01:40] <Darkkish> sortof O.o
[01:40] <Darkkish> well its a legal copy
[01:43] <Kr4t05> Well, when I go to college, I
[01:43] <Kr4t05> could easily get a copy of XP from less than $50
[01:43] <Kr4t05> Vista, maybe, but XP, fer shure. :P
[01:44] <Kr4t05> Of course, I could get Vista for free, right now, but I don't have a DVD burner. :(
[01:44] <actinic> i've spiffed up the kubuntu linux folding team info ...
[01:44] <Kr4t05> The only reason I want to try Vista, is because I think they may actually be going in the right direction.
[01:45] <actinic> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.msg31733#msg31733
[01:45] <Kr4t05> IIRC, Vista is the first open-beta MS has ever done, right?
[01:45] <zipper_> !menu
[01:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <zipper_> hmm, how do i update my kde menu?
[01:46] <zipper_> Kr4t05, vista is _EVIL_! It's much worse than the black plague
[01:47] <vranikx> hello all, does anybody knows how can i enable direct rendering on nvidia PCI-e card?
[01:47] <zipper_> Kr4t05, for example, it forces you to get a gfxcard that support the hdcp encryption (which is _BAD_ for us, the consumers, and only help companies like sony) in order to playback hdtv content. If you dont have that, well, you can no longer use your pc as a htpc
[01:47] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I'm playing devil's advocate.
[01:47] <TheHighChild> Kr4t05: Yes, first open Beta, however, they simply don't have the funds to afford all the bug testers that it requires
[01:48] <Kr4t05> zipper_: That's why there is MythTV. ;)
[01:49] <actinic> isn't the encryption only available on their higher tiered vista product?
[01:49] <zipper_> Kr4t05, yes. And thats why you shouldn't even try out vista :)
[01:49] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Stop being a zealot.
[01:49] <actinic> you seem certainly educated for a product you don't like :)
[01:50] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Microsoft is a company, and, like any other company, they look out for one thing: The Bottom Line. If they want to force customers into something the customers would rather not be in, rest assured, the customers will find a way around it.
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> Personally I wish microsoft all the luck in the world at making their software less useful and harder to use.
[01:52] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: Well, maybe they just want to be like *nix.
[01:52] <zipper_> Kr4t05, i'm not being a zealot. Ofcourse microsoft is only a company like any other.  It's nothing like that war
[01:53] <LeeJunFan> Kr4t05: they do, that's just it - they want to make vista secure, which will put them more on equal terms with linux. People complain about linux being hard to learn and use, add a level of security to it which linux has had all along and suddently that learning curve get's a lot straighter.
[01:53] <Hawkwind> vranikx: Install the nvidia drivers
[01:53] <zipper_> Kr4t05, why would you even say that? hdcp applies to both bluray and hddvd
[01:53] <vranikx> i have nvidia drivers instaled
[01:54] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Whatever, you're right, I'm wrong, Vista sucks, we should all buy Macs.
[01:54] <vranikx> but when i type into konsole glxinfo |grep "direct rendering"
[01:54] <vranikx> i have this: direct rendering: No
[01:54] <Kr4t05> Discussion over.
[01:54] <Hawkwind> vranikx: Have you edited your xorg.conf file appropriately ?
[01:54] <vranikx> i think yes, but maybe i have some mistake
[01:54] <Hawkwind> vranikx: You need to verify that Driver "nv" is Driver "nvidia"
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> I don't really care what MS does, what I DO hate is when people say what linux should do to compete with MS. I don't want linux to compete with [become]  windows. I don't care if it's easy to use like windows is - I care that I can make it do what I want.
[01:55] <vranikx> i have nvidia instead of nv
[01:55] <vranikx> Section "Device"
[01:55] <vranikx>  Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NVIDIA Default Card"
[01:55] <vranikx>  Driver  "nvidia"
[01:55] <vranikx>  BusID  "PCI:4:0:0"
[01:55] <vranikx>  Option      "VideoOverlay" "on"
[01:55] <vranikx>         Option          "RenderAccel" "true"
[01:55] <vranikx>     Option          "HWcursor" "Enabled"
[01:55] <vranikx>     Option          "CursorShadow" "true"
[01:55] <zipper_> Kr4t05, eh? i'm trying to have a sober discussion, i give you arguments for my case, you call me a zealot and talk nonsense about bluray and hddvd, and now you say the discussion is over, like i'm some sort of retard?
[01:55] <vranikx>     Option          "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[01:55] <vranikx> EndSection
[01:55] <hackman2007> how do I take a screenshot with Kubuntu?
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> !paste
[01:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:55] <zipper_> vranikx, DONT PASTE STUFF HERE!
[01:55] <Hawkwind> !pastebin
[01:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:55] <vranikx> zipper_: sorry :(
[01:55] <zipper_> hackman2007, try the "print screen" button on your keyboard
[01:56] <hackman2007> what do I paste it to, sorry I'm new with Linux
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> hackman2007: print screen should open ksnapshot.
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> read what ubotu said above about pastebin
[01:57] <newbie_1000> I can't download anything with aptitude or apt-get, or adept.
[01:57] <newbie_1000> I get a 101 error.
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file so we can look at it.
[01:58] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: k
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: also pastebin your output from apt-get if you would please.
[01:58] <springman> what is the best web page creating program to use in kubuntu?
[01:58] <newbie_1000> of course
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> springman: quanta plus
[01:59] <Hawkwind> springman: It's all a matter of personal preference really.  Some prefer quanta, some prefer bluefish, some prefer vi
[01:59] <Hawkwind> springman: Best to use several and decide for yourself
[01:59] <springman> what is easiest?
[01:59] <Bearcat> !seen foot
[01:59] <ubotu> foot is on IRC right now!
[01:59] <springman> Hawkwind: good idea
[01:59] <Hawkwind> springman: Again, personal preference
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> springman: depends on if you know html.
[01:59] <Bearcat> hello foot
[02:00] <springman> k, i am not the best at web, I am more graphix..I am just looking to learn
[02:00] <foot> Bearcat: hi
[02:00] <springman> are these progs on sf.net?
[02:00] <Hawkwind> springman: sudo apt-get install <app>
[02:00] <springman> yea...about that...
[02:00] <Hawkwind> springman: You use Kubuntu's package manager to install them
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> I think bluefish is wysiwyg isn't it? Personally I like quanta/kate - I really don't use many features of quanta but it's nice how it works with projects, easy to navigate when working on multiple pages like php and includes and such.
[02:00] <springman> how do I know what to get if I dont know the exact name of the prog?
[02:01] <Hawkwind> springman: bluefish, quanta, nvu are three off the top of my head
[02:01] <springman> is that..uhmm...adept?
[02:01] <Hawkwind> springman: You can search on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:01] <springman> thank you
[02:01] <Hawkwind> springman: You can use Adept as well
[02:01] <foot> Bearcat: ok I didnt get to far, but I am down to the ivtv driver testing phase
[02:01] <springman> I will work on that
[02:01] <springman> thanks guys!!
[02:01] <Bearcat> foot: sweet
[02:01] <Bearcat> foot: what was the problem with it not loading that file?
[02:03] <foot> I think the previouse needed bit got corupted or something in the transfer. I had it in my files, but I traced it back and redownloaded it and that made it work.
[02:03] <foot> Bearcat: took 5 minutes the next morning
[02:03] <Bearcat> foot: lol
[02:03] <Bearcat> foot: that stuff can drive you nuts
[02:03] <foot> Bearcat: yup, but I am learning quick
[02:04] <Bearcat> foot: cool
[02:04] <springman> wow, adept is really cool...thanks for the tip Hawkwind
[02:04] <Bearcat> foot: ok, so what are you attempting now?
[02:05] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20717
[02:06] <foot> Bearcat: just got a fone call from a PI in cali, looking for an eric molet.??? used to have my old house number.
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (101 Network is unreachable)
[02:06] <foot> Bearcat: oh you mean here? ;P
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: that's your problem, it resolved us.archive.ubuntu.com to <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: you seem to have a router firmware problem - what kind of router is it? dlink?
[02:07] <foot> Bearcat: cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg     cat: /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[02:07] <Bearcat> ahh
[02:07] <Bearcat> foot: you have the card installed right?
[02:07] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: Actiontec Wireless DSL Gateway
[02:07] <Bearcat> foot: duh, dumb question
[02:07] <foot> now, I already tryied mkdir /dev/video0 and yes the card is installed
[02:07] <Bearcat> foot: ahh, that's  not a dir
[02:08] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: All-in-one router modem wireless device.
[02:08] <foot> Bearcat: after making the new directory it says it is looking for a file and dot a dir.
[02:08] <Bearcat> foot: does the "modprobe ivtv" command give you anything?
[02:08] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: I've heard of multiple different brands doing this now, d-link has firmware updates I know, but I'm not sure about other brands.
[02:08] <Bearcat> foot: right /dev/video0 is created automatically by your system
[02:09] <foot> so. how do I make the file and shoulded it have already been done? or is that another linux quirk
[02:09] <newbie_1000> brb
[02:09] <foot> yet it has not been
[02:09] <Bearcat> foot: did you try a "modprobe ivtv" ?
[02:09] <foot> Bearcat: not yet...
[02:09] <Bearcat> foot: before you do
[02:09] <foot> Bearcat: damn it
[02:10] <foot> Bearcat: yes?
[02:10] <Bearcat> foot: do a "lsmod |grep ivtv" for me
[02:10] <newbie_1000> stop cursing
[02:10] <Bearcat> newbie_1000: wht?
[02:10] <foot> Bearcat: I want a second moniter for all this stuff
[02:11] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20719
[02:11] <Bearcat> newbie_1000: wait...wait.."damn it" is cursing?
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: if you don't have a firmware update available to you for your router/modem I suggest setting yourself with a static IP address on your linux machine instead of using dhcp, and edit /etc/resolv.conf to use your providers DNS servers.
[02:12] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: how do I set the static IP then?
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> In this channel we only allow cursing when referencing MS products :p
[02:12] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: fair enought, but since "damn" is marked as ok by the FCC, i consider it fair game
[02:13] <actinic> actinic@kn8:~$ uptime
[02:13] <actinic>  17:19:34 up 25 days,  8:24,  1 user,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
[02:13] <actinic> one of these days i gotta reboot :)
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: easiest way is probably to go to system settings -> network
[02:13] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: ok ...
[02:14] <springman_> omfg! kubuntu pwns! dood...I havent used windows in almost a week!
[02:14] <actinic> lol, another satisfied customer
[02:14] <springman_> I think I might one day never need windows =P
[02:14] <Hawkwind> LOL @ a week
[02:14] <Bearcat> springman_: i havent used windows for 7 years :)
[02:14] <Hawkwind> Wait til you hit 4 - 5 years :P
[02:14] <springman_> hahah! wow....
[02:15] <springman_> i feel like a n00b
[02:15] <TheHighChild> I've been Windows free(except giving tech support) for a year now
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> 11 yrs here except for gaming and tech support.
[02:15] <Hawkwind> Then you aren't Windows free :P
[02:15] <springman_> hehehe....
[02:15] <TheHighChild> congrats springman_
[02:15] <Hawkwind> Windows free means *no* Windows at all, ever
[02:15] <springman_> thanks! i appreciate that
[02:15] <Bearcat> Hawkwind: does WINE count?
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> I need my helicopter sims and first person shooters.
[02:15] <Hawkwind> springman_: It only gets better from here
[02:15] <actinic> so when u guys migrate to BSD are u going to say the same thing about linux, lol :)
[02:16] <TheHighChild> Hawkwind: Gotta make a living and without Windows, there's no such thing as a tech industry or at least not nearly at this scale
[02:16] <Hawkwind> Bearcat: Count for what ?  A trashcan stuffer!  You don't leave Windows for Linux to turn around and emulate Windows within Linux.  Total contradiction and IMO is quite pointless
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> TheHighChild: yep, if MS suddenly either went tits-up or started making good software I'd have to find a new line of work :)
[02:16] <springman_> true, I guess I havent been *windows free*...I have been doing some tech support...just phone stuff, not touching it at all
[02:16] <TheHighChild> no kiddding right? LeeJunFan
[02:17] <Bearcat> Hawkwind: good. Cause i can't run WINE anyway. I have no multilib set up on my distro :)
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> I also have to use windows for multimedia stuff on my cellphone. :(
[02:17] <Hawkwind> Bearcat: You don't want to run that junky software anyways.  If the best tool for the job is Windows, then simply run Windows
[02:17] <TheHighChild> springman_ don't let zealots get your down. 95% of "linux users" are forced into Windows and non-OSS software almost everyday
[02:18] <Bearcat> TheHighChild: there is no windows software, but i am in that 95% as i run the nvidia binaries :)
[02:18] <m_tadeu> hi...kubuntu is not detecting my modem...whats wrong?
[02:18] <springman_> Hey, on that note...has everyone seen that video about microsoft's voice recognition software crashing hardcore on them during ht eworld premier demo!!??
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: codeweavers crossover is static - it'll run on 64bit.
[02:18] <springman_> TheHighChild: thanks, I am not using it for my personal systems at least....
[02:18] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: not if you don't have a multi-lib set up
[02:19] <foot> I made the brilient desiscion to trust a fairly feline friend and forgo windows for the forseeable future.  we will se how this continues going...
[02:19] <springman_> What is MS gonna do when more people are enlightened by OSS?
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: worked fine on mine. no multilib.
[02:19] <foot> if only I could speel
[02:19] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: really? is your stuff compiled or binary installs
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: binary, the codeweavers is commercial - you don't get the source.
[02:20] <newbie_1000_> LeeJunFan: how would I find out my ISP's DNS server(s)?
[02:20] <dsl_> i found a bug in the kubuntu installer :^
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000_: normally you can get into your router's setup page and see the DNS servers in the status page.
[02:21] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: no, i mean the rest of your stuff. I mean my whole system (aside from the nvidia driver is compiled, so binary 32-bit stuff may not work as well as for you.
[02:21] <newbie_1000_> LeeJunFan: oh, yes
[02:21] <newbie_1000_> Funny, this used to work, and then sporadically it didn't work.
[02:21] <dsl_> it allows you to specify "root" as your username, which causes problems after the install is complere :^
[02:21] <springman_> a bug? is it video related?
[02:21] <springman_> dsl_: I found that the installer h8's my video card..
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: this was a standard kubuntu breezy install I was running codeweavers on.
[02:22] <dsl_> sp join the clubringman,
[02:22] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: right. Binary
[02:22] <actinic> springman_, i think MS shareholders are asking the same question.  check it out: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=5y
[02:22] <foot> Bearcat: what does modprob do?
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: of course you need to compile your kernel with the option to run 32bit.
[02:22] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: i use sourcemage (like Gento but bash run instead of perl), so my stuff may have mor problem with 32-bit hooks
[02:23] <dsl_> springman, join the club :P it hates mine too, what card are you using?
[02:23] <m_tadeu> where's the best place to find help about modems?
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: I forgot that once, and of course wondered why openoffice and codeweavers didn't work for an hour or so :-/
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: not to make myself look too lame - I didn't try running either of those for a couple weeks after compiling so it wasn't totally apparent that was the problem.
[02:24] <dsl_> anyone else in here having issues getting the nvidia drivers off the apt server for kubunutu working stabily?
[02:25] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: yeah, those think will trip you up. I got ahead of myself and tried to get selinux working. It was secure alright! Even I couldn't get in!
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000_: it's sometimes luck of the draw, you've probably got 2 DNS servers or more listed in /etc/resolv.conf and probably only one of them is the bad one, so when whatever app you run uses the bad one it will fail. like roulette.
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: been there too.
[02:26] <springman_> BTW: where do you go to check your video resolution and screen size?
[02:26] <newbie_1000_> LeeJunFan: well, it worked.
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> springman_: not there.
[02:26] <newbie_1000_> LeeJunFan: Thanks a lot.
[02:26] <newbie_1000_> cya all
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000_: welcome.
[02:27] <m_tadeu> how can I find which dev is my modem?
[02:28] <cracker017> hi everyone
[02:28] <Darkkish> !repository > darkkish
[02:28] <foot> Bearcat: r u there?  here kitty kitty
[02:31] <cracker017> does anyone know if there is a way to use kubuntu with a wireless connection?
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: I hope so, I'm doing it now.
[02:31] <cracker017> Huh? Really?
[02:32] <Bearcat> foot: yess foo?
[02:32] <Bearcat> foot: i''m here
[02:32] <foot> Bearcat: did ja look at the lsmod?
[02:32] <Kr4t05> !wifi > cracker017
[02:33] <cracker017> Well, I mean, I can't use the internet on Kubuntu if I use the Live CD. I can only have internet access on Kubuntu if I use WMware Player..
[02:33] <cracker017> ok
[02:33] <cracker017> I'll check out the link; thanks.
[02:33] <m_tadeu> !modem
[02:33] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[02:33] <foot> any one know why amarok will work on one login but not on the others?
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: not sure about the livecd. There is the possibility that whatever wireless card you have doesn't have linux support.
[02:34] <Bearcat> foot: no, i didn't look. Did you give me a link?
[02:34] <cracker017> LeeJunFan: Yeah, most likely. :(
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: although that list is getting pretty short. Most cards are supported one way or another. Most easily, some not so easy.
[02:34] <foot> Bearcat: yup here it is again http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20719
[02:35] <cracker017> Also, I'm pretty sure if I just use my ethernet card, I'll be fine
[02:35] <cracker017> My router is in the living room.
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: do you know what kind of wireless card/chipset you have?
[02:36] <cracker017> Yes.
[02:36] <cracker017> I have a Linksys WMP54GX.
[02:36] <Bearcat> foot: looks good
[02:36] <mayday_jay> I'm having a rendering issue on an Intel 915GM, from what I can tell it may be a mesa issue, I get only a partial screen in things like GL screensavers, and Google Earth, can anyone offer any insight?
[02:36] <Bearcat> foot: do you have a /dev/video/video0 ?
[02:37] <Bearcat> foot: keep in mind 0 == zero
[02:37] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: it would appear [at first google]  that that card is not supported with linux.
[02:37] <cracker017> Yeah, thanks for the info.
[02:38] <cracker017> Do you think it will work if I just use my ethernet card?
[02:38] <foot> Bearcat: no video0
[02:38] <Bearcat> foot: hmmm
[02:39] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: it should.
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: are you using livecd now?
[02:41] <cracker017> No
[02:41] <cracker017> Using Windows XP now.
[02:41] <Bearcat> foot: i'm looking up stuff for you
[02:41] <foot> Bearcat: cool
[02:41] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: when you boot up livecd open a konsole and run 'ifconfig -a' if you see eth0 listed there then it's pretty safe to say your network card is supported.
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: even if it's not plugged in at the moment. But if it works with livecd it'll work with installed kubuntu.
[02:42] <cracker017> Are you talking about my ethernet or wireless card?
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: ethernet
[02:43] <cracker017> Ok
[02:44] <cracker017> Well, it's listed in the Network Configuration
[02:45] <zipper_> I've been working hard on fixing my soundcard, including installing wierd modules and drivers. Is there any way i can return to basics, using the default module for my soundcard?
[02:48] <mayday_jay> Does anyone have experience correcting GL rendering issues on Intel 915GM based video?
[02:48] <Bearcat> foot: what do you get with "ls -l /dev/vid*" ?
[02:48] <dsl_> anyone else expirence any issues with the nvidia drivers on kubuntu's apt server?
[02:49] <foot> Bearcat: ls: /dev/vid*: No such file or directory
[02:50] <dsl_> springman_, any luck with your graphics card?
[02:51] <ironfroggy> is there any way (or projects for future abilities) to have some kind of applets in screensavers. for example, so you could add media player controls that can be used without unlocking the session.
[02:51] <Bearcat> folks, i donno why foot doesn't have a /dev/video0 with his idtv driver loaded, but does kubuntu use udev?
[02:53] <Bearcat> <.<  >.>
[02:53] <Bearcat> Anyone?
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> yes, it does
[02:54] <set_follower> ok ive just left windows and am trying linux for the first time....
[02:54] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: and if he has no /dev/video0 shoud i create one manually, adjust /etc/udev/ or run apt-get configure [somthingorother]
[02:54] <LeeJunFan> maybe grep dmesg for some useful module info or something?
[02:55] <ironfroggy> set_follower: congratulations! prepare for pain and spiffiness, at the same time!
[02:55] <Bearcat> yeah foot, do a "dmesg |grep idtv" for me will you?
[02:55] <set_follower> yeah thats what im seeing.
[02:55] <foot> Bearcat: ok
[02:55] <set_follower> havent used command line since dos.
[02:55] <Bearcat> foot: thanx
[02:55] <set_follower> any suggestions on where i might find a decent crash course online?
[02:55] <foot> Bearcat: nothin happened but a nother command line.
[02:56] <zipper_> set_follower, the linux command line is way more powerfull than dos ever was
[02:56] <set_follower> thats what ium told
[02:56] <zipper_> set_follower, anything specific you're looking for?
[02:56] <Bearcat> foot: hmm
[02:56] <ironfroggy> but honestly, you dont even need it. just because its there doesnt mean you'll use it. do you see some reason you want to do command line work?
[02:56] <set_follower> seeing an ntfs drive for starters
[02:57] <ironfroggy> trying to dual boot?
[02:57] <ironfroggy> and share data on the ntfs partition?
[02:57] <set_follower> ive got alot of data saved on my ntfs drive
[02:57] <set_follower> music etc...
[02:57] <Bearcat> foot: please do the following "depmod; modprobe ivtv; dmesg | tail -25"
[02:58] <zipper_> set_follower, didnt the install find your ntfs partitions?
[02:58] <ironfroggy> bu t you dont need to use the command line for that.
[02:58] <ironfroggy> go into System Settings -> Disk & Filesystems
[03:00] <set_follower> ntfs is kinda secondary. the situation is i have a lacie external hard drive that is ntfs. but in order to access it i have to run a login app that is an .exe
[03:00] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20720
[03:00] <ironfroggy> You'll see the partition there and you just need to configure the mount point and filesystem of the partition.
[03:00] <ironfroggy> wait you need an EXE to use the harddrive?
[03:00] <set_follower> yesh
[03:00] <zipper_> set_follower, looks like you're in for a whole lot of fun
[03:00] <springman_> dsl: Sorry I was AFK...
[03:01] <ironfroggy> ouch.
[03:01] <Bearcat> foot: one moment
[03:01] <set_follower> yeah thats what i figured
[03:01] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: looks like it was already either loaded or just doesn't have any output. Unsuccessful load would have said something.
[03:02] <zipper_> set
[03:02] <zipper_> set_follower, you could try google to find if there's any linux applications that will do the same as that .exe file of yours
[03:02] <set_follower> yeah i should
[03:02] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: well a modprobe wouldn't show up in dmesg anyway. Wouldnt; it show up in the main log file (whatever that is for syslogd)?
[03:02] <Bearcat> ahh, yes /var/log/message
[03:03] <user_> Darkkish are you still in the wine channel ?
[03:03] <Bearcat> foot: "cat /var/log/message |grep ivtv"
[03:04] <foot> Bearcat: cat: /var/log/message: No such file or directory
[03:04] <Bearcat> O.o
[03:04] <foot> Bearcat: did I miss  a line?
[03:04] <Bearcat> foot: cat /var/log/current
[03:04] <Bearcat> er..
[03:04] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: it should show up in dmesg, but dmesg will only show so far back. And if the module was already loaded when he modprobed it or it inserted cleanly it may not put anything new to klog.
[03:04] <Bearcat> foot: ls /var/log/current
[03:05] <foot> Bearcat: cat: /var/log/current: No such file or directory
[03:05] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: ahh
[03:05] <foot> Bearcat: ls: /var/log/current: No such file or directory
[03:05] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: what would cause there not to be  /var/log/video0 ?
[03:05] <foot> Bearcat: pause, brb
[03:06] <LeeJunFan>  /var/log/messages -- s
[03:06] <user_> anyone know if there are any drivers for the ati tv wonder ?
[03:06] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: what does that do? (i cant' test it, i use metalog)
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: that's the correct file - not /var/log/message
[03:07] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: ohh! du!
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: but perhaps /var/log/kern.log is better for modules.
[03:08] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: thank you. This would be much easier if foot an i had the same distro, but i wasn't going to give him a gentoo like system his first time out :)
[03:08] <set_follower> ok heres one...  i have another hard drive in this machine that shows up in the "disk and filesystems" area. that im not sure how to enable
[03:09] <nixternal> !pastebin
[03:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: is idtv something that comes with nvidia drivers or something? I don't have that module in any of my /lib/modules dirs.
[03:11] <user_> i noticed ubuntu has a add remove thing to install applications http://www.ubuntu.com/include/img/add-remove.png is this on kubuntu too ?
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> maybe lsmod | grep idtv to make sure it's loaded?
[03:14] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: ivtv are the drivers to load hauppage tv card drivers
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> user_: It doesn't have that exact application pre-installed, but there is another one which works just as well.
[03:15] <user_> is that adept ?
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> user_: Yep
[03:15] <user_> cool
[03:16] <set_follower> ok heres one...  i have another hard drive in this machine that shows up in the "disk and filesystems" area. that im not sure how to enable it.
[03:16] <user_> is it possible to get ati tv wonder pro working ?
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> user_: Now that, I can't answer.
[03:16] <user_> ok :)
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> set_follower: Is it in /media ?
[03:16] <set_follower> it is not
[03:16] <user_> set_follower you need to mount the drive
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubotu: tell set_follower about mount
[03:16] <user_> is it a ntfs drive
[03:16] <zipper_> user_, did it work?
[03:17] <zipper_> user_, the resolution i mean?
[03:17] <user_> oh no :) the display settings wont display its settings now :)
[03:17] <set_follower> i do not believe so. i think its ext3 or something like that
[03:18] <user_> i couldnt remeber the wine channel we were in
[03:18] <zipper_> user_, i figured... try using 1280x720 instead of 1366x768
[03:18] <user_> ok
[03:18] <zipper_> user_, #kubuntu_wine
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> set_follower: did ubotu msg you?
[03:18] <set_follower> it did. but im not sure what it all means
[03:20] <user_> set_follower i had to do mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt hope this helps
[03:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> set_follower: Hmm, I am not much of a mount expert, I shall now resort Google. Hold on for a few minutes.
[03:20] <user_> you may be able to try mount -a /dev/sda1 /mnt
[03:20] <set_follower> ok ill try that konsole command
[03:21] <set_follower> whats the diff between -t and -a?
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Isn't sda if you have a SATA drive?
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> IIRC -a mounts everything in your fstab.
[03:21] <user_> -t specifies the fstype and -a is auto
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Or what user_ said. ;)
[03:21] <user_> set_follower go to media:/ in konq
[03:22] <user_> :) yeah everything in fstab
[03:22] <user_> find the drive in there right click properties to find out the /dev name
[03:23] <set_follower> hdb1
[03:23] <set_follower> tried that command....
[03:23] <set_follower> this is gonna sound very stupid.....
[03:24] <set_follower> i dont know how to log into root from the console...
[03:24] <user_> ok try mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[03:24] <user_> you need to sudo -i first
[03:24] <user_> sudo -i
[03:24] <user_> and your user password
[03:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> set_follower: use sudo <command> (or, as user_ suggested as I typed, sudo -i)
[03:24] <set_follower> wrong fs type
[03:25] <user_> ok now type dmesg
[03:25] <user_> and see what the error said when trying to mount
[03:25] <set_follower> cant find ext3 filesystem on the drive
[03:26] <user_> anyone know how set_follower can identify the fstype of /dev/hdb1 ?
[03:27] <user_> i guess its not ext3
[03:27] <set_follower> i guess not
[03:28] <user_> try mount -t fat /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[03:28] <profoX`> chavo: liked te old screen better :D but the new one is fine too (compiz.net)
[03:28] <user_> and mount -t fat32 /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[03:28] <profoX`> s/te/the
[03:28] <user_> see if one of those works
[03:28] <ching_> #peace
[03:28] <user_> i only know how to mount but not sure how you can find out the fstype
[03:28] <set_follower> uknown file system  for fat and fat32
[03:29] <user_> maybe try fdisk /dev/hdb1
[03:29] <set_follower> i used to have a utility here that let me make partiotions and fromat but its no longer in me menu
[03:29] <set_follower> nop not fdisk
[03:32] <Ozux> hi,
[03:33] <Ozux> Any body who can run Qemu with Network support?
[03:33] <user_> try system settings, disk & filesystems at the bottom
[03:33] <user_> set follower [above]
[03:33] <set_follower> got that open alreaady
[03:34] <set_follower> i do see it in there
[03:34] <user_> and have a look under the type column
[03:34] <set_follower> blank....
[03:34] <user_> is there a type next to it ?
[03:34] <user_> ok
[03:34] <user_> is it an empty drive
[03:34] <set_follower> ok
[03:35] <set_follower> how do we format itthen?
[03:36] <user_> lol i used that other Qpart prog on the live cd :)
[03:36] <user_> just creat partition then format it
[03:37] <set_follower> under new?
[03:37] <user_> yep i think i just right clicked
[03:37] <set_follower> ok whatst this "mount point"
[03:37] <user_> deleted any partitions already there
[03:38] <user_> then create a new 1 and formatted it
[03:38] <foot> Bearcat: ok I am back
[03:38] <user_> anyone want to help set_follower creat and format a kubuntu compatable partition ?
[03:39] <set_follower> there seemed to be a better way to do this when i was running off the cd instead of the install
[03:39] <user_> mount point is /mnt drive to mount is /dev/hdb1
[03:39] <user_> yeah it was that Qparted prog
[03:40] <user_> maybe reboot off cd
[03:40] <set_follower> yeah...
[03:40] <user_> then boot back into installed version after a format and mount the drive :)
[03:40] <user_> rebbot to live and you can still get on IRC
[03:41] <user_> i need new fingers they keep bashing the wrong keys lol :)
[03:41] <set_follower> i think i might have it fixed. gonna reboot.
[03:41] <user_> k
[03:43] <foot> Bearcat:thanks to the short time I had my external music drive hooked to a winblows viruse ridden carcus, I now have the album, James Bond-Percussionists of Guinee
[03:43] <Bearcat> i've never hear them. Are they good?
[03:45] <Bearcat> foot: i just discovered an artist you should hear, if you haven't.  Youssou N'Dour?
[03:46] <foot> Bearcat: looking for him or her now
[03:47] <foot> Bearcat: their percussionists. not bad, but wear a helmit
[03:47] <Bearcat> foot: lol
[03:50] <foot> Bearcat: any luck?
[03:52] <Bearcat> no
[03:53] <Bearcat> foot: try cat /var/log/kern |grep ivtv
[03:53] <foot> Bearcat: well what did LeeJunFan have to say?
[03:54] <user_> i like the way the download manager resumes from a stall
[03:54] <foot> LeeJunFan: no such but hang on a sec let me try something
[03:55] <user_> has anyone managed to get VMWARE workstation installed ? was it easy ?
[03:55] <Bearcat> foot: sorry it was kern.log not kern
[03:56] <foot> Bearcat: ahh
[03:56] <dungkal> user_: i haven't tried installing VMWARE since the last two years. it was very easy and i assume it is much easier nowadays.
[03:56] <user_> cool :)
[03:57] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20725
[03:58] <dungkal> user_: I understand VMWare workstation demo version now lasts less than 15 days (?) so instead of installing it over and over again, you're forced to buy a licensed one if you really need to use it.
[03:59] <user_> i could just use the free player
[03:59] <Bearcat> foot: you say you fixed it this morning?
[04:00] <foot> Bearcat: no yesterday I fixed the previous problem
[04:00] <Bearcat> foot: but look at the end of what you posted
[04:01] <user_> dungkal i found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMWarePlayerAndWindowsHOWTO
[04:01] <dungkal> user_: you better. :-)
[04:02] <user_> it says use sudo apt-get install vmware-player
[04:02] <user_> but this doesnt work ?
[04:02] <dungkal> no idea about it, let me see.
[04:02] <WarOfAttrition> you probably need the repos enabled
[04:02] <user_> ok it is from the ubuntu wiki rather than kubuntu
[04:03] <user_> there is no mention of a repository
[04:04] <WarOfAttrition> try searching synaptic for vm
[04:04] <foot> Bearcat: there is no hotplug dir
[04:05] <dungkal> user_: it still should work. i'm trying to download and installing now. i'll keep you posted. or better yet, try it now. :-)
[04:05] <Bearcat> foot: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/
[04:06] <dungkal> user_: so long as you've got 'multiverse' in your /etc/apt/sources.list, you'll be fine.
[04:06] <evi11> help
[04:06] <user_> oh ok
[04:06] <evi11> my kubuntu boot manager is not working
[04:06] <evi11> i get a error17 when i try to boot
[04:07] <evi11> how do i fix this with a live cd
[04:07] <foot> Bearcat: ok there are a few files here
[04:07] <Bearcat> foot: what are they?
[04:07] <tdmg> Hey guys, I just installed Kubuntu on my laptop and I have a host of problems, so any help is welcomed.  First problem is my internet access, my wireless card isn't recognized or something, because I can't get online, so that's the first major problem.  Second problem is that I can't get my setting correct for my second monitor, it either uses only the laptop screen or the external (with poor resolution).  Third problem is th
[04:08] <user_> how do i add multiverse ?
[04:08] <foot> Bearcat: what is that  ls /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware    ?
[04:08] <Bearcat> foot: yeah
[04:08] <Bearcat> foot: have you rebooted recently?
[04:09] <evi11> yea i really ned help with grub
[04:09] <foot> Bearcat: yes
[04:09] <Bearcat> foot: alright
[04:09] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20726
[04:10] <dungkal> user_, sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list. then add 'multiverse' to any line starting with deb.
[04:10] <dungkal> user_, run the command on Konsole.
[04:10] <Bearcat> foot: brb
[04:11] <foot> Bearcat: k
[04:12] <user_> like this
[04:12] <user_> multiverse deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[04:12] <dungkal> user_, add the word at the end of line.
[04:13] <user_> do i have to do it for all lines
[04:13] <dungkal> yes.
[04:13] <user_> but not deb-src ?
[04:14] <user_> so its restricted <space> multiverse ?
[04:14] <user_> do i want universe in there aswell ?
[04:14] <evi11> so is there any way to repair my masterboot record with a live cd?
[04:14] <scotty> What is the Kubuntu equivelant of Adobe Reader?
[04:15] <tdmg> did anyone actually read my post, or should I break up my questions into smaller chunks? :-/
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> scotty: kpdf?
[04:15] <scotty> CheeseBurgerMan, does that come standard with Kubuntu?
[04:16] <Bearcat> hey foot can you do the following for me? "rmmod ivtv; modprobe ivtv" and then give me the output of "tail -50 /var/log/kern.log"  thanx
[04:16] <tk> tdmg: I would say break it down, your sentence got cut off after "third"
[04:16] <tk> scotty: yes
[04:16] <tk> its under your tools menu I believe
[04:16] <scotty> thank you, tk
[04:17] <dungkal> user_, yes, even deb-src. and please add universe as well.
[04:17] <user_> ok
[04:17] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20727
[04:17] <tdmg> thanks tk, really, what I need first is to get my wireless working, and then get my monitors set up
[04:17] <tdmg> can anyone help me get my wireless up? :D
[04:17] <tk> mine didnt work either... i use my nic
[04:17] <foot> anyone know why the screen savers that kubuntu comes with are mosly only half screen or less?
[04:18] <user_> did it work for you ? dungkal ?
[04:18] <tk> as for monitors... if you are in an nvidia, you need to make sure your drive is nvidia, not nv
[04:18] <user_> i cant try yet as im running AMD64 ver 7 mins left till i have i386 ver
[04:18] <pierreth> hello
[04:18] <scotty> tk, this is incredibly newbie, but I'm brand new to Kubuntu. Where is the tools menu? All I see is utilities, and it's not under that
[04:19] <scotty> (I'm running 6.06 LTS, btw)
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> scotty: It's under Graphics for me.
[04:19] <scotty> okay, I'll look
[04:19] <tdmg> tk, I need my wireless to work, got any ideas?
[04:19] <dungkal> having a problem with compatibility with kernel. but i'm troubleshooting it. seems i'm on the right track.
[04:19] <tk> tdmg: nada, like I said, I gave up on mine :P
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubotu: tell tdmg about ndiswrapper
[04:20] <scotty> found it
[04:20] <scotty> thanks a bunch CheeseBurgerMan
[04:20] <pierreth> how can i uninstall kubuntu?
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> You're welcome. :)
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> pierreth: Formatting the partition should uninstall it nicely.
[04:20] <user_> did vmware work dungkal ?
[04:21] <tdmg> tk, you are basically telling me I can't use Kubuntu then, because I can't use a wire :-/
[04:21] <tk> tdmg: no, I am telling you I cant use my wireless, not that you cant or that it wont work, my needs are met, I didnt serch farther
[04:21] <dungkal> as i said, am troubleshooting the install problem. it has to do with kernel compatibility.
[04:21] <user_> lol
[04:22] <dungkal> user_, currently downloading the appropriate linux headers needed by the player for the correct install.
[04:22] <user_> 4 mins left and we can  try and solve it
[04:22] <dungkal> great. :-)
[04:22] <Bearcat> Most syslogd programs give you time in UTC, right? Where is UTC based out of?
[04:23] <foot> Bearcat: we have a thunderstorm comming in outside, so I think it mighntt be prudent to turn this sucker off
[04:23] <Bearcat> foot: good idea.
[04:23] <Bearcat> foot: fear not. We'll get it. If not you can always install Win XP
[04:23] <foot> Bearcat: NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:23] <Bearcat> foot: another idea is to get a BVT based card. I can talk to you about that when you are on-line next.
[04:24] <Bearcat> foot: they are cheep
[04:24] <Bearcat> foot: till later my friend
[04:24] <foot> ok why dont I do that first? before going to windows?
[04:24] <user_> dungkal join kubuntu_vmware
[04:24] <foot> later...
[04:24] <Bearcat> *scampers off*
[04:25] <actinic> Kubuntu folding team started: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.0
[04:25] <actinic> let's kick some ass
[04:28] <geneo93> !skype
[04:28] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[04:29] <tdmg> tk, I got my wireless to work, but what did you say about how to set up my dual monitors?
[04:37] <scotty> !ndiswrapper
[04:37] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:46] <tdmg> can someone here help me out with setting up Kubuntu
[04:46] <tdmg> I'm pretty much a beginner, and I can't get my drivers set or Adept to work :-/
[04:47] <ironfroggy> what does what that you dont think it should do?
[04:48] <tdmg> I can't get my graphics card drivers up, I can't set up my dual monitors, I can't get adept to update for me......lots of stuff
[04:48] <Kiongku> O_o
[04:48] <ironfroggy> what card?
[04:49] <ironfroggy> and if you cant get it setup how is X working?
[04:49] <tdmg> nVidia GeForce Go 7600
[04:49] <tdmg> I'm looking at the list of nVidias, and I can't find it :-/
[04:50] <actinic> tdmg, use EasyUbuntu to get you set up: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[04:51] <user_> im trying to burn the i386 dvd iso and k3b keeps complaining about wrong media type ?
[04:51] <tdmg> thanks actinic :D
[04:52] <actinic> tdmg, no problem and please consider joining the kubuntu folding team: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.0
[04:55] <tdmg> actinic, I'll bookmark it for later, I want to be configured first :D
[04:55] <Kiongku> lol interesting folding team
[04:57] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: hi
[04:57] <tdmg> wait, I just used EasyUbuntu, but nothing seems to have changed....did I not do it right? :-/
[04:57] <user_> i cant get k3b to work to burn i386 iso
[04:58] <KF6AAQ> tdmg, i'm a nub here...but I tried easyubunto on my 64 bit computer and no luck. I tried it on my laptop i386 and it worked great!
[04:59] <tdmg> I have an i386.......
[04:59] <KF6AAQ> ok, did you follow the instructions on that website...the wget or whatever it said?
[04:59] <tk> actinic: if you didnt hear the other day, I have that running on my lappy, still havent finished first packet though)
[05:00] <nalioth> !coc
[05:00] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[05:01] <KF6AAQ> I would try the commands again for easyubuntu. I think it first downloads the install files, once you run it, it should download the rest.
[05:01] <tdmg> I tried it again
[05:01] <tdmg> I'm really just lost
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> easyubuntu web site has been hacing some issues last week.. perhaps its affecting other parts as well.
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> It pays to learn how to do it all manually. :P
[05:02] <tdmg> I was using Breezy all nice and happy just 5 months ago, but I'm lost all over again :-/
[05:02] <tdmg> and I didn't have EasyUbuntu back then
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> Linux FUNdamentals are still the same.
[05:02] <tdmg> can someone just guide me through the steps I need to setup my computer
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  i just got here... set up what excatly?
[05:03] <kyeyekkarn> What's the best way to network an XP and ubuntu machine?
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  by 'network' you mean access shared directories?
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> just plug them both into a network and they are 'networked' :P
[05:04] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, thanks, I just installed Kubuntu, so nothing is setup
[05:04] <tdmg> I need all my drivers
[05:04] <kyeyekkarn> Dr_Willis, ok sorry I should have been more specific. I want to enable filesharing between two networked computers (one Xp and the other Ubuntu)
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  ok thats a little more info.. drivers for what? :P
[05:04] <tdmg> I can't get adept to update me
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  thats odd.. are you using the box now to irc?
[05:05] <tdmg> graphics drivers firstly
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  that would be 'samba'
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  that you need to install first. :P
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> !info samba
[05:05] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 2778 kB, installed size 7080 kB
[05:05] <tdmg> well, my Lbox is online all right, but adept isn't connecting
[05:05] <tdmg> I'm on my desktop for IRC
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  could be the servers are having issues again.
[05:06] <kyeyekkarn> Dr_Willis, Ok that's what I thought. Is there a guide somewhere on how to use it and how to configure things from both the LIinux and windows side? heh
[05:06] <tobias__> how do i turn off sound in kubuntu?
[05:06] <kyeyekkarn> I just installed it and the daemon is running... but that's all I've done
[05:07] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, so what about my nVidia drivers?
[05:07] <tobias__> my speakers are really tormenting my buddy trying to sleep
[05:07] <tobias__> please help
[05:07] <erich_> Hello
[05:07] <tobias__> what do i do?
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  the definitve guide is the online 'using samba book'
[05:08] <tobias__> save me:(
[05:08] <tobias__> before he wakes up
[05:08] <erich_> I'm really new to linux, and i'm wondering: How do i install repositories?
[05:08] <tobias__> anyone know how to turn off the sound in kubuntu?
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  in short you install samba packages, do a 'sudo smbpasswd -a LINUXUSERNAME' and perhaps edit the samba.conf to enable writeable home shares.
[05:08] <dungkal> tobias_, don't you see a speaker icon on the toolbar below?
[05:08] <CPUFreak91> Is there any way to keep Kubuntu 6.06 from running slowly on a lappy with 256MB of ram?
[05:08] <kyeyekkarn> Dr_Willis, thanks :)
[05:08] <tobias__> no?
[05:08] <dungkal> click on it and check mute.
[05:08] <cl187> CPUFreak91: memory upgrade
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> !nvidia
[05:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:09] <tdmg> thanks :D
[05:09] <cl187> !wireless
[05:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:10] <CPUFreak91> cl187: hmm since that's not an option, maybe Xubuntu
[05:10] <tobias__> thanks
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> CPUFreak91,  use a real light window manager.. not a full desktop..  somthing like fluxbox, icewm, windowmaker
[05:11] <dungkal> then, K-Menu->Multimedia->Kmix. then turn off Master and/or PCM.
[05:11] <ironfroggy> flash movies only have sound when shown in konquerer, not firefox. how can i fix that issue?
[05:12] <CPUFreak91> Dr_Willis: ok
[05:17] <cl187> ok loading back up ubuntu
[05:17] <cl187> wish me luck on getting wireless
[05:18] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, that nVidia driver guide is confusing me, because it's made for Ubuntu, so I keep getting lost in the repository menu :-/
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  yep. i told the guid makers that thaty should just use the shell..
[05:19] <cl187> and back on new pc
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> in short. enable all the repos. then search/install the packages..
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> or install synaptic - then use it - and follow the guide. :P
[05:20] <tdmg> you lost me
[05:20] <tdmg> I don't know how to enable them all or any of that
[05:20] <tdmg> I'm a newbie :P
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:20] <cl187> hmmm
[05:21] <cl187> whats STOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory
[05:21] <tdmg> I don't want more software.........
[05:21] <cl187> when trying to turn on wireless
[05:21] <erich_> What's the diff between synaptic and adept?
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> erich_,  synaptic is the one used in 99% of the guides/docs for one :P
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> and its also the apt-get gui standard in many other disrtos for anotehr
[05:21] <tdmg> Is there a selfless human being out there that will hold my hand? *cries*
[05:21] <erich_> So it's better to have then adept?
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> its like the FIRST thng i normally install on a new kubuntu isntall . :P
[05:22] <mayday_jay> Anyone know if there is a fix or workaround for the  "[i915]  GL screensavers only drawn on top 1/3 of screen" bug ?
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> and i think it should be included  in the kubuntu installs.  Just because  it makes keeping the docs/guides easier
[05:23] <erich_> I'll go install in then :)
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> I rarely ever use adept
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: that wont happen - adding synaptic to kubuntu installs.
[05:24] <erich_> Why not?
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> Hobbsee,  still wont change my oponion. :P
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: true that
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> but i also want a ubuntu dvd that has Kde+gnome+xfce
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mayday_jay: yeah, install...um...
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mayday_jay: kscreensavers-xsavers
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> and DONT have those windows versions of stuff. :P
[05:25] <Hobbsee> that problem goes away with edgy, iirc.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> s/edgy/kde 3.5.4/
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> of course i also think that Openoffice dont need to be in the -Desktop metapackage either.
[05:25] <cl187> wtf is this error lol
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: koffice isnt really stable enough to use it instead :(
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> I use abiword
[05:25] <mayday_jay> thx...
[05:25] <Hobbsee> cl187: which error?
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> but it seems for a while OOo was getting constantly updated.. and i never used it.. but i dident want to break the -desktop packages. :)
[05:26] <cl187> Hobbsee i'm trying to set up my wireless... googling the error atm, but it is "SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory" when trying sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[05:27] <cl187> lol
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: true.  there was an upstream release, then it failed to build a few times, or something.  that's what happened in edgy at least
[05:27] <cl187> i think i found the answer, just need to find the fireware
[05:27] <Hobbsee> cl187: ahhh...that...eek.  dont remember the solutoin to that
[05:28] <erich_> How can i set program defaults, like make xmms default to play music?
[05:28] <tdmg> okay
[05:28] <tdmg> I'm lost with this nVidia guide
[05:28] <cl187> yeah both my bcm43xx drivers are missing firmware so it seems
[05:28] <cl187> just need to know where to get it and where to put it
[05:28] <cl187> can you help me there?
[05:28] <tdmg> can some just help me get these drivers up? *sigh*
[05:29] <farous> cl187: do you know fwcutter
[05:29] <Hobbsee> !wifi
[05:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:29] <Hobbsee> in that lot somewhere?
[05:29] <cl187> damn, was hopping to not have to read threw it all lol
[05:29] <cl187> thanks tho
[05:29] <Hobbsee> cl187: not all of them.  just the relevant one
[05:29] <farous> cl187: you need fwcutter and a bcmwl5.sys drive to extract the firmware
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  in short you install  the linux-restricted-modules for your kernel. and the nvidia-glx package
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  then you run   sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:30] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, I need the long.......
[05:30] <tdmg> sorry......
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  install synaptic, enable the repos they say  bu checking on the right box's - search for nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-386   install them.
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> then run that last command from the terminal
[05:31] <tdmg> I really need to "know" how to do this, not get around it
[05:31] <cl187> does tiny-nvidia-installer come with ubuntu?
[05:32] <KF6AAQ> Dr_Willis, Any idea on how i can get my Linksys WUSB 11B wifi card to work? It's not detecting it.
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  sudo apt-get install synaptic, then  kdesu synaptic
[05:32] <tdmg> I'm probably being an idiot, but I would rather use Adept
[05:32] <carlos> whats the special thing about the "tiny" in those nvidia drivers?
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  you are on your own then.
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> synaptic is THE standard gui tool for apt-get stuff.  in most every disrto that uses apt-get
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> i dont even knwo if adept has the checkbox/items to enable the right repos.
[05:33] <erich_> I suggest you get synaptic with 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'
[05:33] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: there's also aptitude
[05:33] <unix_infidel> :P
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> unix_infidel,  or there could be some nice guide that just tells how to do it all from the shell.. (best answer!)
[05:34] <tdmg> there isn't anyone here that knows how to use Kubuntu to install some of the most basic drivers on the market?  (not an insult to you Dr_Willis, you do it your way, which works for you)
[05:34] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: heck, dont get snooty with me.
[05:34] <unix_infidel> :P
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> heh :P
[05:34] <unix_infidel> i use apt and dpkg :P
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  fire up adept.. go to the manage repositories menu item and enable them all.
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  then follow the guide
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> unless ya want to know how us Old-timers enable the repos. :)
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> Linux Fact #10381  theres always a dozen ways to do anything.
[05:36] <kaboodle> heh: man pages: understandable once you don't need them any more
[05:36] <erich_> What's linux fact #10180?
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> kaboodle,  i got an old Redhat Book thats most of theman pages printed.
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> erich_,  thats "when you mention 12 ways to do somthing.. someone comes up with a 13th'
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:37] <kaboodle> haha
[05:37] <erich_> Ahh
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> Linux mentality is "supply the tools for the user to do the job they want to do"   - not "hold the users hand and guuide them through what the PROGRAMER thinks the user will want to do"
[05:38] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, I'd be interested in how you old-timers do it, even if I don't do it, I want to be educated :P
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  trivial.. edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the '#'  character that  commebnts out the extra repositories.
[05:38] <kaboodle> pfft once i have enough knowlege of the system and bash scripting i'm ditching the premade distros in favor of linux from scratch
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> takes me all of.. say 20 sec.
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> :P tops
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> learning to use the apt-get system from the shell - is a VERY valueable skill.
[05:39] <tdmg> okay, I'm in Adept's repo manager.  How do I enable them all?
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  click on them perhaps. :P they are allready enabled here.. so i cant really tell. Lol.
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> Or perhaps experiment like i just did.. and right click.. and notice the menu has 'enable' :)
[05:41] <tdmg> okay
[05:41] <tdmg> they are all enabled.......
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> use the update/upgrade buttons now to  update the package list.. and upgrade your system to current
[05:41] <farous> Dr_Willis: that is a great advice playing with the gui is the best way to learn :)
[05:41] <tdmg> okay
[05:42] <erich_> I intalled frozen-bubble but it's not in the game list, how can i start it?
[05:42] <tdmg> but nVidia drivers are "sudo ____"?
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> farous,  i learned it from my C64 Pirate Days. :P
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  rember the 12 ways to do somthing. :P
[05:42] <nnn0> :)
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  you are doing it the GUI way. :)
[05:42] <farous> Dr_Willis: i learned it from a previous mentor who said gui is made so you can learn it in max a day :)
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> ---> search for nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-386   install them.
[05:43] <farous> no manuals of course for we could not afford it :)
[05:43] <tdmg> :P
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> of course ya wnat to search/install them After ya do the updates.. would be my guess
[05:43] <erich_> Nevermind, i used 'Run command'
[05:43] <tdmg> I'm taking a Unix course next semester, so I will hopefully get more exposure to command lines
[05:44] <tdmg> I stopped using DOS when I was 10 years old, so the command line is unfamiliar all over again
[05:44] <farous> tdmg: :)
[05:45] <farous> !cli
[05:45] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:45] <farous> this might refresh your mem ^ ^
[05:45] <tdmg> :)
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> Linux tip # 102 'read EVERYTHING you can get your hands on.. just so later when you need to learn somtning.. you can rember reading about it and  then go back and reread it in detail'
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:46] <erich_> Haha
[05:46] <tdmg> heh
[05:46] <farous> :)
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> I must have 100+lbs of Linux/Unix/related books
[05:46] <tdmg> I have...ummm......none :D
[05:47] <tdmg> I use the Linux Doc Project :P
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> Linux Tip # 10 - keep the Computer books in the "mens reading room" (aka the bathroom in the basement) so you can reread them at your leisure.
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> Linux Tip # 11 thourghly explore the   TLDP.org  ( the linux doc site) ! :P and if a uber-geek download the html versions to your PSP.
[05:48] <pdxsam> for use in the "Men's Reading Room"?
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:48] <tdmg> an uber-geek wouldn't have the left over cash for a PSP :P
[05:48] <erich_> Is there a linux tip #5234?
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> Its bout  time i went to the Reading room... :)
[05:49] <charlie5> um, how would i re-direct a programs 'output to stderr' to a file, from the command line ?
[05:49] <cl187> ok
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> Uber-geeks use Linux - and thus dont waste $$$ on   silly overpowered pc's - they use  cost-effective solutions.
[05:49] <cl187> this sucks
[05:49] <cl187> i found where to put it, but kind find the download lol
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> charlie5,  i always forget that.. its a funky >&1 >&2 kind of thing.
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> charlie5,  but I KNOW ir ead about it on the 'advance bash scripting guide' -- so according to Linux tip # 102  ---- :P
[05:50] <cl187> i just need the dang bcm43xx firmware, and not seeing how to optain it.. maybe i drank too much...
[05:50] <stray77> if you need firmware, get it from the manufacturers website
[05:50] <cl187> oh
[05:50] <cl187> lol
[05:50] <ubuntu_> i386 installer could not access security-updates. is this normal ?
[05:51] <cl187> now i feel kinda stupid
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> cl187,  hmm.. i think i found a package once  - perhaps not a legal site. that had them aswell.
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu_,  the server may be down/slow
[05:51] <ubuntu_> didnt happen with amd64 ver
[05:51] <erich_> How do i make it so i have to double click to open things? I'm use to double clicking and hence, i keep opening everything twice :P
[05:51] <ubuntu_> ok
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> erich_,  heh - thats hidden somewhere in the kde preferances..  or i think that kde-first start wizard can set it also.
[05:52] <charlie5> Dr_Willis: yeah, i can manage re-directing std output, but dunno about the others ... guess its time to google ... thanks
[05:53] <cl187> ok think i gots it heh
[05:54] <cl187> wish me luck
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> i cant recall/find the name of that kde-first run setup wizard..
[05:54] <erich_> Look through your books :P
[05:54] <belatucadros> does anyone in here know how the quality compare with a Geforce FX 5300 to a Geforce 6100?
[05:55] <belatucadros> 5200*
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> 6100 - is that their embeded/integerated video?
[05:55] <belatucadros> well yea but I was wondering about teh quality and usability in comparison cause I just bought a new board and processor and the board has the geforce 6100
[05:56] <pdxsam> erich  if you go into system settings and choose mouse  you'll see on the first dialog the open to single or double click
[05:56] <pdxsam> just change it there and click apply
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> belatucadros,  been looking at those mb's myself. for my next low-end system. :P
[05:57] <ironfroggy> are there any simple utilities to keep two directories contents automatically synced?
[05:57] <belatucadros> well I know its not gonna be high end but its a temp till I get my X800 or X1900 which ever I choose
[05:57] <erich_> Ahh! Thanks pdxsam!
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> pdxsam,  darn! and im still looking for that first time wizard. lol. it had a setting to set up  like xp, macos, or kde. :P
[05:57] <pdxsam> I know the wizard you're referring to   I just don't remember what the script is called
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  there may be a "FUSE" addon that can do it. of proberly a dozen other ways to doit.
[05:58] <pdxsam> erich  no problem.. you're welcome
[05:58] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, I downloaded the drivers, but I don't know how to set them up or anything
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> pdxsam,  heh - somne day the gnome and kde guys need to get their names organized.
[05:58] <Kiongku> my mx510 extra buttons not working. Any suggestion?
[05:58] <ironfroggy> Dr_Willis: why would that need fuse? they are just two normal directories.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  if you did all the commands (and that last sudo whatever) one - it shoudl be set uo.
[05:58] <tdmg> I can't even access my display settings anymore :(
[05:58] <ironfroggy> i just want to copy newer files from each to the other.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  to do the syncing. in a reliable manor.
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  just use cp then?
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> or rsync
[05:59] <tdmg> I did "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" but it gave me any error saying that no such command existed :(
[05:59] <ironfroggy> isnt rsync for remote syncing?
[05:59] <Kiongku> my fx5200 rocks XD no config needed
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  odd.   try   sudo /usr/sbin/nvidia-glx-config  enable
[06:00] <tdmg> ummmmmmm.......
[06:00] <tdmg> Adept won't load either
[06:00] <tdmg> *cries*
[06:00] <Kiongku> tdmg.. what did u do??
[06:00] <belatucadros> FX 5200 frankly is crap
[06:00] <belatucadros> I have one and I hate it :S
[06:01] <Kiongku> belatucadros: i dunt play FPS games.. and it does not complain on linux.. its a good crap
[06:01] <tdmg> I'll try rebooting, I didn't reboot after updating everything, that might be it.......
[06:01] <tdmg> wish me luck.......
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  if the kernel got updated - that may be the case
[06:01] <Kiongku> wishing
[06:01] <belatucadros> well for me I do gaming and other stuff so I need more highend video which is why I would like to get an X1900 XTX
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> ati - heh heh... :P
[06:02] <tdmg> don't you need like 3 days and be a 16th level priest to do wish? :P
[06:02] <Kiongku> belatucadros: let me tell u my gaming list for the 1 year coming. Warcraft 3, Guild Wars, Myth Online.. and these work without a hitch
[06:02] <Hobbsee> [14:00]  * Dr_Willis wonders what adept has to do with a sudo command. <-- because you need to be root to install anything?
[06:03] <Kiongku> Anway its straying from my prob.. anyone knows hwo to config the logitech mx510 mouse ps/2 port
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> Hobbsee,  perhaps he was trying to type a command into adept?
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> mx510 has a ps2 version?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: possible, i dont know.  what do i need to fix in the latest kopete?
[06:03] <belatucadros> Kiongku mine is Unreal Tournament 2004, Counter strike 1.6/source, BattleField 2, and Fear
[06:04] <Kiongku> belatucadros: Counter Strike Source.. Tried it.. sucks with fx5200 agreed
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> kopete -  is one of the  'not best' names for somthing ive herd in a long time.. :P too much sounding like that Tummyache medicine. :)
[06:04] <belatucadros> yeps lol frame skippy lol
[06:04] <Kiongku> DrWillis: no i'm simply using the ps/2 for my mouse.. no free usb socket
[06:04] <belatucadros> I just bought a Dual Core 3800+ AM2
[06:05] <Kiongku> DrWillis: i swapped to linux 2 days ago. I'm used to its functions on win
[06:05] <pdxsam> Kiongku   welcome to the bright side!
[06:05] <belatucadros> yes welcome indeed Windows sucks lol
[06:05] <Kiongku> pdxsam: yah.. after fiddling with eagle drievrs for usb modem and compiling my custom kernel.. u can say that
[06:06] <Kiongku> belatucadros: win sucks.. but is essential for gamers liek u :p
[06:06] <pdxsam> no one ever said Linux wouldn't be a learning experience.
[06:06] <tdmg> the reboot worked
[06:06] <belatucadros> Kiongku one word Cedega
[06:06] <Kiongku> good job tdmg
[06:06] <tdmg> but I still can't find the right drivers under the settings menu :(
[06:06] <Kiongku> belatucadros: i know. But its total assurance that everything will be alright
[06:06] <Kiongku> Kiongku: on win
[06:06] <Kiongku> XD
[06:07] <stray77> kiongku, i think you edit the xorg.conf file section "InputDevice"
[06:07] <belatucadros> linux still has the greater stability I just need to work out a few bugs with cedega at the moment to get my bf2 fully operational then i'll be good
[06:07] <Kiongku> Stray77: i know about the xorg.conf but what should i write in it
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  settings menu? what settings menu?
[06:08] <tdmg> display settings
[06:08] <tdmg> under hardware
[06:08] <Kiongku> belatucadros: my only complain on linux is the kde desktop.. when i open apps.. sometimes they just crash wihtout a word
[06:08] <soulrider> tk you here?
[06:08] <charlie5> Dr_Willis: ./prog_which_outputs_to_stderr 2> my_stderr_ouput.txt ... :)
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  if ya ran that command. it shoudl of allready set them. Its possible you dident install both packages.
[06:09] <tdmg> okay
[06:09] <tdmg> thanks
[06:09] <belatucadros> yea mine did to kiongku it was one of my ram chips
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> !nvidia
[06:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:09] <user_> any know how i can get a resolution of 1366x768
[06:09] <Kiongku> belatucadros: lol? so now its good?
[06:09] <belatucadros> yeps
[06:09] <tdmg> that command still doesn't work Dr_Willis :-/
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> user_,  i went to that x modeline generator web site. and had it generate the corect modeline for me for my widescreen laptop
[06:09] <belatucadros> I had 2 diff speeds a PC 2700 and a PC 3200 and they conflicted
[06:09] <Kiongku> user_: wow why that resolution?? standard ones does not suit ur taste?
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  im guess ing you dident isntall the pacakges right then. or missed one.
[06:10] <tdmg> okay
[06:10] <cl187> omg omg
[06:10] <cl187> i iz smart
[06:10] <Kiongku> belatucadros: damn.. i just bought new ram for that linux.. i hope not going to need to change no $$$$
[06:10] <cl187> lol
[06:10] <cl187> eth1 is actualy loading
[06:10] <belatucadros> kiongku I know what you mean I got my new board and am like wtf I need to buy all new ram which sets me back a bit
[06:11] <user_> lol im running a LCD HDTV with DVI :)
[06:11] <user_> 32inch
[06:11] <Kiongku> belatucadros: hehe..
[06:11] <Kiongku> user_: OMG 32inch
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  from the shell... sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:11] <Kiongku> user_: u have big eyes :D
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  also from the shell . do a 'uname -a ' and paste the kernel version here. :P
[06:11] <tdmg> yeah
[06:11] <tdmg> it's not working
[06:11] <tdmg> there is a problem it says
[06:12] <belatucadros> damn a 32 lol Im running an LG 19" LCD with 1400:1 cotrast ratio
[06:12] <tdmg> I'll get the error message itself
[06:12] <user_> lol :)
[06:12] <Kiongku> belatucadros: haha me its 17 inch XD
[06:12] <belatucadros> lol I love my LCD its great
[06:12] <user_> i got it from lowestontheweb now 549quid
[06:13] <tdmg> Dr_Willis "There was an error commiting changes.  Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[06:13] <Kiongku> ok.. anyone idea how to set the 10 buttons in xorg.conf for my mx510?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  could be the servers are slow/down
[06:13] <Darkkish> brb
[06:13] <Darkkish> restarting x
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  try a
[06:13] <Hobbsee> tdmg: hit show details, if you can?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> and see if it updates the packages.. then a 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[06:13] <belatucadros> I have no idea how to set a single button let alone 10 lol
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  ive seen some docs on the gentoo site that detail that mouse I belive
[06:14] <Kiongku> belatucadros: lol. i just bored having to scroll up for back button.. i wanan click it on my mouse
[06:14] <cl187> ok
[06:14] <cl187> now dumb question
[06:14] <belatucadros> yea I need a new mouse to
[06:14] <user_> Dr i only know my refresh rate for the first section lol
[06:14] <cl187> is there a thing like windows to view avalible networks?
[06:14] <Kiongku> Dr_Willis: dunt understand a single ****
[06:14] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, only errors and failures with the apt-get update
[06:14] <Kiongku> bcoz it says usb
[06:14] <belatucadros> Ive had the same mouse for like 3 1/2 years lol
[06:15] <Kiongku> belatucadros: hahaha.. but still its working :p
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  odd.   Im wondering if the servers are having some  issues this week
[06:15] <tdmg> okay
[06:15] <user_> Darkkish do you want to join #kubuntu_wine again :)
[06:15] <tdmg> well
[06:15] <tdmg> I have to get some shut-eye
[06:15] <Darkkish> sure
[06:15] <tdmg> thanks for all you help! :D
[06:15] <tdmg> I'll be back tomorrow for more ;)
[06:16] <tdmg> I'll probably get very bored at work and ask for some guidance :D
[06:16] <belatucadros> well I gtg have to be up to get a ram chip tomorrow lol
[06:17] <stray77> kiongku, check http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=150116
[06:18] <Kiongku> stray77: k
[06:18] <user_> Dr whats my Dot Clock Freq ?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> user_,  for a lcd - i just let it use the defaults. and i just entered 60hz (mhz?) and the res. and that was about it.
[06:20] <obf213> !AAC
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about AAC - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <obf213> !mp3 > obf213
[06:20] <thunder> hi everyone
[06:21] <thunder> how i install the delphi in ubuntu?
[06:21] <thunder> im searching but not found
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> heh - that still exists?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> isent it a comercial product?
[06:21] <thunder> im student
[06:22] <thunder> and i need development in here
[06:22] <thunder> do u know what i do?
[06:22] <user_> what can happen if i use the wrong modline ? warning Horizontal sync frequency above maximum of 60kHz! ??
[06:22] <actinic> tk, those folding units can be whoppers
[06:23] <thunder> hi everyone
[06:23] <thunder> i need install the delphi in my ctp
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> Kylix is the name of the Linux Delphi :P
[06:23] <thunder> tks
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> user_,  ive never managed to blow anything up yet.
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> user_,  i normally just enter the res. and leave the rest at the defaults for my lcd.
[06:24] <thunder> but i try install the delphi... what i do?
[06:24] <stray77> borland delphi is a windows app, so you might try wine
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> I dont think there is a 'delphi' for linux.. the native linux port of delphi is called Kylix
[06:25] <thunder> tks
[06:25] <shocktrooper1> reformat second hd to use for more storage tutorial needed
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> shocktrooper1,  fdisk it. to make the partitions.. format it with mkfs.ext3 (or whatever) then edit fstab and mount it.
[06:26] <shocktrooper1> thanks Dr_Willis
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> and it formats MUCh faster under linux then under windows. :P
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> just rember.. fdisk then format. (ya dont want to know a story about the guy that got THAT backwards)
[06:27] <user_> where is XF86Config ?
[06:27] <user_> lol
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> user_,  its xorg.conf under the xorg system :P
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> where ya been? in a cave? lol...
[06:28] <pierreth> hello, how i get i set the login window?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> the xorg vs.  xfree86 stuff.. now  THAT was a interesting story.
[06:28] <actinic> new kubuntu linux team has formed, details here: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.0
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  set 'what' in what login window?
[06:28] <actinic> now go kick some ass
[06:29] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: i have the kde login window now...
[06:29] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: but i want the login window of xfce because i am on xfce
[06:30] <stray77> choose your session type
[06:30] <stray77> then just log in
[06:30] <pierreth> stray77: ok, how can i do that?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  you are refering to kdm vs. gdm. because i THINK xfce uses gdm.
[06:30] <stray77> so you have xubuntu-desktop installed?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> or are you erfering to the Desktop you are logging into?
[06:31] <user_> where do i put the modline in the Screens section ?
[06:31] <user_> do i put it under the resoulutions in the 24 depth subsection
[06:31] <stray77> pierreth, click menu, click session type and choose xfce
[06:31] <obf213> did some new huge update happen
[06:31] <user_> my active depth is 24
[06:31] <obf213> cuz i just apt-get update and upgrade it andts been taking fo eve
[06:32] <obf213> andding langue packs and shit
[06:32] <Darkkish> where is the wine config file?
[06:32] <stray77> id use automatix to install wine
[06:33] <Darkkish> ...
[06:33] <Darkkish> where is the config file though
[06:33] <Darkkish> i want to delete it
[06:33] <Darkkish> after i uninstalled
[06:33] <Darkkish> because i want to reinstall fresh
[06:33] <pierreth> stray77: i don't have this command to set the session type?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> user_,  i THINK it goes under the modes line.
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> user_,  but im not sure if ya shoudl comment out the modes line or not.
[06:34] <stray77> pierreth, what screen r u lookin at?
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> wine creates several .dirs  (use ls -al) to see
[06:34] <pierreth> stray77: i can look in the kicker
[06:34] <pierreth> stray77: or the in the xfce panel
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> .wine
[06:34] <pdxsam> Darkish...  you'll be best served by deleting the entire wine folder in your home directory   rm -rf .wine  will do it
[06:35] <pdxsam> if you want to save it to grab something out  of it  just move it   mv .wine   .wine-old
[06:35] <stray77> pierreth, logout
[06:36] <pierreth> stray77: ok, and then...
[06:36] <stray77> pierreth, click menu, click session type and choose xfce
[06:36] <Darkkish> pdxsam: thanks
[06:36] <stray77> im assuming youre using a graphical login screen
[06:37] <pierreth> stray77: ok you mean at the login window?
[06:37] <stray77> yes
[06:37] <pierreth> stray77: ok :-). i will try then
[06:38] <Darkkish> damn
[06:38] <Darkkish> i had WoW working GREAT earlier in wine
[06:38] <pierreth> coming back...
[06:38] <Darkkish> and i didn't config wine or anything
[06:38] <Darkkish> and now it won't run it O.O
[06:38] <Darkkish> at all
[06:38] <Darkkish> right after the loading screen the window dissapears
[06:38] <stray77> winecfg
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> Darkkish, you have an X configuration erroe
[06:39] <obf213> !itunes > timi
[06:39] <obf213> !itunes > obf213
[06:40] <Darkkish> Admiral_Chicago:  how do you know?
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> Darkkish, because i know the symptoms
[06:40] <Darkkish> how do i fix it?
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> log in as fail safe terminal and log in
[06:40] <Darkkish> ...
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> then type sudo startx
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> and tell me the error
[06:40] <Darkkish> >_>
[06:41] <Darkkish> why is it like that all of a sudden?
[06:41] <Darkkish> it was working fine earlier
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> in the log in screen, there is a log in as...KDE, Gnome, fail safe
[06:41] <soulrider> hi everyone
[06:41] <cl187> so whats the other packmaniger thats in kubuntu besides adept
[06:41] <Darkkish> alright
[06:41] <Darkkish> brb
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> cl187, synaptic, apt-get
[06:41] <Darkkish> restarting x i suppose
[06:42] <soulrider> how can i add java to my path? im trying to run frostwire adn it sais i need java, but i got JDK 1.5 installed
[06:42] <cl187> and what do you recomend
[06:42] <Kiongku_> yay my mx510 is fully operational.. or near
[06:42] <stray77> good
[06:42] <Kiongku_> thx stray77
[06:43] <stray77> your welcome
[06:43] <pdxsam> soulrider put a soft link to the java binary in the /usr/bin directory
[06:43] <soulrider> ok, and where is it located?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> Yea..i am now on the Kubuntu Folding@home team. :P
[06:43] <Kiongku_> stray77:  any idea of a good download manager in linux. like flashget for win
[06:43] <soulrider> is it in /usr/local/ ?
[06:43] <soulrider> kget
[06:43] <soulrider> try kget
[06:44] <soulrider> Opera has a built in downlaod manager, you might wanna try it
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> whatever happened to Prozilla?
[06:44] <Jucato> kget is good. if only it could be used with Firefox
[06:44] <soulrider> locate jdk
[06:44] <soulrider> oops wrong window
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> http://prozilla.genesys.ro/
[06:44] <Kiongku_> Jucato: why u say kget not good on firefox?
[06:44] <Darkkish> Admiral_Chicago:
[06:45] <pdxsam> soulrider  it depends on how you installed it   mine is in /etc/alternatives
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> wonder if theres  a firefox downloader/extension for it.
[06:45] <soulrider> let me check
[06:45] <Jucato> Kiongku_: last time I checked, you can't use KGet directly with Firefox
[06:45] <pdxsam> which links to /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun
[06:45] <Kiongku_> jucato: ah
[06:45] <soulrider> its not there but theres a link to it, i can just copy it right?
[06:46] <Kiongku_> what is the line to reinitialize k servers after i pressed alt+ctrl+f1
[06:46] <Dr_Willis>  reinitialize k servers ?
[06:46] <stray77> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:46] <stray77> i thnk
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use alt-ctrl-F7 to get back to X :P
[06:46] <pdxsam> soulrider try this command line sudo ln -s /usr/bin/java
[06:46] <pdxsam> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/
[06:46] <pdxsam> jre/bin/java
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> or what stray77  said to restart the kdm/gdm services
[06:47] <pdxsam> soulrider try this command line sudo ln -s /usr/bin/java  /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jrs/bin/java
[06:47] <Kiongku_> bcoz i just forgot to read the line and had to restart when i entred command line XD
[06:47] <soulrider> no such file or directory
[06:47] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: Prozilla is not in normal repositories
[06:48] <pdxsam> make jrs  jre     I'm getting tired :)
[06:48] <dungkal> gari, you seem lost. please join our channel.
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  yea. its been so long shice i even thought about it. :P
[06:48] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: u are using it?
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  downloading the source now. :P
[06:49] <soulrider> pdxsam: i already got a link in usr/bin to java
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> http://prozilla.genesys.ro/?p=download
[06:49] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: debian?
[06:49] <pdxsam> if you have a link in /usr/bin   then you should be able to point frostwire to that link  and it should fly
[06:50] <soulrider> i had one in bin, not lib
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  using Kubuntu at the moment. :P
[06:50] <soulrider> lets see if it runs now.......
[06:50] <soulrider> doesnt
[06:51] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: i need to compile it?
[06:51] <pdxsam> if you open a command prompt and type java -version   do you get a response?
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  the only deb i saw was rather old.
[06:51] <soulrider> yes
[06:51] <soulrider> i ahve JDK 1.5
[06:51] <pdxsam> then java is working
[06:51] <soulrider> i was compiling stuff earleir today :P
[06:51] <pdxsam> I don't have frostwire installed
[06:51] <pdxsam> but it should be able to pick it up if it's in /usr/bin
[06:51] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: k lets compile it together :p
[06:52] <soulrider> maybe not the rigth link tot he right java ?
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  :P
[06:52] <pdxsam> no  that's the right java
[06:52] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: i stll have the kubuntu window
[06:52] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: which version did u dl
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> heck ist still ./configur ing.
[06:52] <pdxsam> I'm installing frostwire now  hang on
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> the latest one i could find.  :)
[06:52] <soulrider> k, thanks
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> 2.0.5 beta
[06:53] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: how can i have the xfce login window at boot time?
[06:53] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: i cant find 2.0.5
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  xfce uses the GDM login manager. and sets up a xfce theme for it.
[06:53] <soulrider> where can i read more aout what the /usr/ and the /bin/ folders have? and about where things are installed etc etc
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> http://prozilla.genesys.ro/downloads/prozilla/tarballs/prozilla-2.0.4.tar.bz2
[06:54] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: how can i start the GDM login manager?
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> soulrider,  i think TLDP.org has a  thing on that.
[06:54] <stray77> set xfce as your default session type
[06:54] <soulrider> ill read
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,   theres some dpkg-reconfigure gdm   command or similer that sets what XDM to use by default KDM. or gdm.
[06:54] <pdxsam> soulrider  I just installed frostwire using automatix  and it installed and started without issue
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> I dont use EITHER kdm or GDM. :P
[06:54] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis:For Prozilla.. latest tarball i can find is 2.0.4 o0
[06:54] <Darkkish> Admiral_Chicago:  in PM
[06:54] <pdxsam> I don't see anywher ein the settings to set the java version
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> http://prozilla.genesys.ro/downloads/prozilla/tarballs/prozilla-2.0.4.tar.bz2          seems to be the beta. :P
[06:55] <soulrider> i used the deb file from their site
[06:55] <soulrider> maybe tis that
[06:55] <Kiongku_> lol
[06:55] <pdxsam> 4.10.9 is the version I am using
[06:56] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: what is the cmd to unpack tar.bz2 i forgot
[06:56] <soulrider> i got
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> tar xjvf
[06:56] <soulrider> dunno :P
[06:56] <soulrider> should i remove it
[06:56] <soulrider> and download automatix
[06:56] <soulrider> and install ?
[06:56] <pdxsam> I recommend automatix
[06:56] <Darkkish> i'm getting this error dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> I DONT recommend automatix. :P use at your OWN rish.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:57] <pdxsam> some recommend easyubuntu  but automatix has worked fine for me
[06:57] <soulrider> :/
[06:57] <Darkkish> when i do sudo dpkg -reconfigure xserver-org
[06:57] <pdxsam> easyubuntu segfaults on me
[06:57] <Kiongku_> whats automatix?
[06:57] <Jucato> !automatix
[06:57] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,   note the 'use at your own risk' part. :P
[06:57] <actinic> wow, this howto just gets better and better:  http://www.linuxloader.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28
[06:57] <Darkkish> they just say that so you don't sue them
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> to install java - all i did was use apt-get install for it.
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> !java
[06:58] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[06:58] <poningru> soulrider: I would use easyubuntu
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> but i DO rember some issue where you had to have some package installed for the java install to print out its EULA so you can hit "OK"
[06:58] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[06:58] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[06:58] <soulrider> ok
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> which was lame.
[06:59] <Kiongku_> hmm
[06:59] <soulrider> where can i get it ?
[06:59] <actinic> !lame
[06:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lame - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:59] <soulrider> lol
[06:59] <actinic> :)
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[06:59] <Jucato> ubotu says "at your own risk" because ubotu is an official Ubuntu IRC bot, and Automatix and EasyUbuntu are not official Ubuntu packages/projects
[07:00] <Jucato> err....
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> and theres been dozens of cases of those 2 programs trashing systems. :P
[07:00] <soulrider> i think i wont install them then :/
[07:00] <soulrider> Dr_Willis: i jave java
[07:00] <soulrider> i was compiling my java apps earlier .P
[07:00] <actinic> Dr_Willis, trashed out of how many attempts?  :)
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> but using those to install java.. which  just recently got added to the normal repos. :P Yea for sun for changeing their licenseing.
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> actinic,  all it takes is ONE.. if its your machine. :)
[07:01] <user_> Sun FTW :)
[07:01] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: flash player plugin for firefox.
[07:01] <user_> im a java developer lol :)
[07:01] <Kiongku_> Dr_Wllis: what do u recommend
[07:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah, easyubuntu is an official ubuntu project
[07:01] <user_> ForThaWin
[07:01] <soulrider> well im newbie, but learning :P
[07:01] <actinic> just like the lottery ... all it takes is one ticket :)
[07:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee: it is?
[07:02] <Darkkish> something is wrong with xorg
[07:02] <Kiongku_> ah ****.. construction work on my roof.. freaking sound busting my ears
[07:02] <Darkkish> can someone help me?
[07:02] <Darkkish> brb\
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  stay away from YouTube.com :P
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> !flash
[07:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:02] <Jucato> I prefer Google Video, coz I could download the video instead of having it play in the browser :-D
[07:02] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis i'll become deaf in 1 min.. if that continues
[07:02] <Kiongku_> XD
[07:02] <soulrider> Dr_Willis:  i did apt-get install sun-java5-jre and it sais i got the latest :P
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's made by a couple of ubuntu members, and they're looking at getting it into the repos, i believe
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> soulrider,  me to! :P
[07:03] <actinic> soulrider, read this link and you'll be a near expert:  http://www.linuxloader.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_J2SE_Runtime_Environment_.28JRE.29_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[07:04] <user_> i added modline and x server didnt start :( had to vim my xorg lol
[07:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: Automatix is also made by Ubuntu members. They're both "community" projects, not "official" Ubuntu projects. At least not yet
[07:04] <actinic> automatix is in my repositories
[07:04] <Darkkish> !pastebin
[07:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:04] <soulrider> it sint in mine
[07:04] <actinic> i'm always getting updates
[07:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true that.  i havent looked at the code, but i knew it used to be fairly shocking, and wouldnt pass quality control
[07:04] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: How to uninstall stuff made with make install
[07:04] <user_> Darkkish join #kubuntu_wine sorry had to reboot
[07:05] <Darkkish> i am
[07:05] <Darkkish> grr
[07:05] <Darkkish> brb
[07:05] <Darkkish> i have to again
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  good luck there.. 'make uninstall' MAY uninstall them.. or it may not
[07:05] <soulrider> user_: u mind if i ask you some java questions when i get stuck? :P
[07:05] <user_> nope no probs
[07:05] <soulrider> thanks
[07:05] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: lol u are installing the same stuff as me
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  thats what that one program is often used for that converts src/compules it - into a .dev
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> .deb i mean
[07:05] <soulrider> i only took 1 semester of programming
[07:05] <soulrider> but i managed to make a minesweeper: P
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  i dident  'sudo make install' i copied the proz binary to my users  bin dir. :)
[07:06] <user_> cool
[07:06] <actinic> woohoo, quad core cpu's
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  plus i dont want to uninstall it. :P
[07:06] <actinic> wonder what kinda power supply those babies will need
[07:06] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis:ehrm tell me ur steps.. did u do make?
[07:06] <user_> soulrider join #_java_
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> ./configure, make,  cp src/proz /home/willis/bin
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:07] <Darkkish> !pastebin
[07:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:07] <Darkkish> ...
[07:07] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: Basically the diff btw our 2 install is only the name before bin?
[07:08] <user_> Soulrider join #_java_
[07:08] <Darkkish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20732 can someone diagnose?
[07:09] <Darkkish> er...
[07:09] <Darkkish> fix
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  Unless you also made your user after my name. :P
[07:09] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: :p.. ok nw my prob.. cant find ncurses lib. What should i install
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> i would guess ncurses-dev package
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> !info ncurses-dev
[07:09] <Kiongku_> k
[07:09] <ubotu> Package ncurses-dev does not exist in dapper
[07:09] <Hobbsee> !search ncurses
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> hmm or similer name
[07:10] <Hobbsee> !find ncurses
[07:10] <ubotu> Found: evms-ncurses, lib64ncurses5, lib64ncurses5-dev, libncurses5, libncurses5-dbg (and 12 others)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> Kiongku_: libncurses5
[07:10] <Dr_Willis>  libncurses5-dev :)
[07:10] <Kiongku_> omg the sky is falling apart.. pieces of my roof is falling in my room
[07:10] <Hobbsee> nah, not -dev
[07:10] <stray77> how does everyone feel about the use of aptitude over apt-get?
[07:10] <Hobbsee> -dev is usually for build-deps of programs, not deps
[07:10] <Kiongku_> hmm
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> he is compiling a program :)
[07:10] <Kiongku_> aptitude? i thought was the same as apt-get
[07:11] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: point.
[07:11] <Darkkish> can someone please help me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20732
[07:11] <Hobbsee> stray77: both have advantages and disadvantages
[07:11] <Darkkish> i got that in failsafe
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> Ya know - i find download managers/speed-upp-ers dont seem to work as good on Hight speed connections. :)
[07:11] <Kiongku_> !aptitude
[07:11] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: you cant run X multiple times.
[07:12] <Kiongku_> !apt-get
[07:12] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: and why would you want to run X as root anyway?
[07:12] <Darkkish> Hobbsee: i was in failsafe
[07:12] <Darkkish> idk
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:12] <Kiongku_> adepet manager is the apt-get?
[07:12] <Kiongku_> *adept
[07:12] <Darkkish> someone told me to do that and paste what i got
[07:12] <Hobbsee> well, according to your version, you're already in X
[07:12] <Darkkish> then he dissapeared
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: ah right.  wouldnt be much use
[07:12] <Darkkish> well
[07:12] <Darkkish> i was running wine
[07:12] <Darkkish> and it was running great earlier
[07:13] <Darkkish> WoW
[07:13] <Darkkish> full speed
[07:13] <Darkkish> but now
[07:13] <Darkkish> it only goes past the loading screen
[07:13] <Darkkish> then right when it would go into the 3D part
[07:13] <Darkkish> the window closes
[07:13] <Darkkish> every time
[07:13] <Darkkish> so someone told me it was an X error
[07:13] <Darkkish> and to do that
[07:13] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: btw why did u put proz in src?
[07:14] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: you'd have to use irssi or something for irc, then try that command.
[07:14] <Darkkish> irssi?
[07:14] <Darkkish> what?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> i put in my USERS bin dir.
[07:15] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: i still have the same login window
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> and it was in src whenit compuled
[07:15] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: i used the gdm manager but it changed nothing
[07:15] <Kiongku_> ah lol
[07:15] <Darkkish> Hobbsee: what is irssi?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  configure it to use the xubuntu theme.. or any other them ya like.
[07:15] <Jucato> !info irssi
[07:15] <ubotu> irssi: terminal based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.10-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 989 kB, installed size 2764 kB
[07:15] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: a console based irc client (text only)
[07:16] <DShepherd> Darkkish: sudo aptitude install  irssi. jump to your VT and type.. irssi. then /connect irc.freenode.net  and then /j #kubuntu .. irssi its an irc client
[07:16] <Darkkish> aww
[07:16] <Darkkish> i really don't want to do this
[07:16] <Darkkish> are we positive its a problem with x?
[07:16] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: so if i want to ever remove it..  i simply delete it from bin?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> yep
[07:16] <stray77> sudo aptitude remove irssi
[07:17] <Darkkish> can we just diagnose from the beginning
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> thres a way to ./configure --someoptions=/home/willis (if ya wanted to be fancy) then the make install - would put it in your home dir
[07:17] <Darkkish> i was running WoW on wine earlier
[07:17] <Darkkish> it was working almost perfectly
[07:17] <stray77> world of warcraft?
[07:17] <Darkkish> yes
[07:17] <stray77> neat
[07:17] <Darkkish> then i changed some settings in Wine
[07:18] <Darkkish> and it stopped working
[07:18] <Darkkish> so i changed them back
[07:18] <stray77> bummer
[07:18] <Darkkish> and now its still not working
[07:18] <Darkkish> it logsin
[07:18] <Darkkish> logs in
[07:18] <Darkkish> loads
[07:18] <Darkkish> but right when it would get to the 3D part
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:18] <Darkkish> the window just dissapears
[07:18] <stray77> did you try rebooting?
[07:18] <Darkkish> no lol
[07:18] <Darkkish> i should huh?
[07:18] <Darkkish> not just restarting x
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> windows answers - reboot/reformat/reinstall :P
[07:18] <Darkkish> but actually rebooting
[07:19] <Darkkish> this isn't windows
[07:19] <Darkkish> this is wine
[07:19] <Darkkish> plus i've had 10x less trouble with windows than kubnuntu lately
[07:19] <Darkkish> just fyi
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> its possible the wine server crashed and dident clean up after itself.
[07:19] <stray77> did you use winecfg to make your changes?
[07:19] <Darkkish> yeah
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> Games are for the weak. :P
[07:19] <Darkkish> yes at stray77
[07:20] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: how to link the prozgui
[07:20] <Darkkish> brb
[07:20] <Darkkish> i'm going to restart my computer
[07:20] <stray77> i know people who reboot to restart apache...
[07:20] <stray77> heheh
[07:20] <stray77> i used to be one of them
[07:20] <Darkkish> hmm
[07:20] <Darkkish> well this isn't apache...
[07:20] <Darkkish> :p
[07:20] <Darkkish> idk what this is
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  i dident mess with prozgui yet. :P
[07:21] <Darkkish> one person says its x
[07:21] <Darkkish> i say its wine
[07:21] <Darkkish> brb
[07:21] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: ehrm i get error on make file for the prozgui
[07:21] <stray77> Server is already active for display 0
[07:21] <stray77>         If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
[07:21] <stray77>         and start again.
[07:21] <stray77> did u do that
[07:21] <stray77> ?
[07:22] <stray77> looks like hes goin for the reboot
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> quick - lets all change nicks! :P
[07:24] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: i get error on prozgui :S make in /src
[07:25] <Not_Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install libfltk1.1-dev  libfltk1.1
[07:25] <Not_Dr_Willis> for a start Kiongku_  :P
[07:25] <Not_Dr_Willis> the docs say it uses that lib.
[07:25] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: i already have it
[07:26] <Not_Dr_Willis> ./libprozilla/src/prozilla.h:137: error: proxy_type has a previous declaration here
[07:26] <Kiongku_> yes
[07:26] <Not_Dr_Willis> looks like  a bug to me bat man!
[07:26] <Not_Dr_Willis> :)
[07:26] <Kiongku_> thats it
[07:26] <Kiongku_> so.. how did u make it?
[07:26] <Not_Dr_Willis> i dident. :P
[07:27] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: download another prozgui?
[07:27] <gibson_sg> how do i mount another hd?
[07:27] <Not_Dr_Willis> there is a static built version i think
[07:27] <gibson_sg> i edited fstab
[07:27] <Not_Dr_Willis> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/dir_that_you_made
[07:27] <Not_Dr_Willis> if the fstab entry is correct ya can 'sudo mount -a' to auto mount them all
[07:27] <gibson_sg> it gave me an error when i tried that
[07:28] <Darkkish> to me my problem sounds like a graphics error
[07:28] <Darkkish> like a bad setting
[07:28] <stray77> gibson_sg, what filesystem you trying to mount?
[07:28] <Not_Dr_Willis> if the fstab is incorrect.. well ya get errors. :)
[07:28] <gibson_sg>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[07:28] <gibson_sg>        missing codepage or other error
[07:28] <gibson_sg> yea it could be incorrect
[07:28] <gibson_sg> but it looks okay to me
[07:28] <Not_Dr_Willis> and the fstab line is?
[07:28] <gibson_sg> its a big hd
[07:29] <Not_Dr_Willis> you did format the hard drive partition with mkfs?
[07:29] <Darkkish> !pastebin
[07:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:30] <Darkkish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20733 i get this right before wine fails
[07:30] <stray77> gibson_sg, what filesystem you trying to mount?
[07:30] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: is ur home/willis/bin same as /usr/bin ?
[07:30] <gibson_sg> i did not format it, it was from when i had windows will it not work?
[07:30] <stray77> mount -t ntfs /....