[09:32] <asmodai> nice
[09:32] <asmodai> comment bug got fixed
[11:27] <abelli> daf: ping
[11:27] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[11:27] <daf> ciao abelli
[11:28] <abelli> ciao daf ..
[11:28] <abelli> daf: can you insert the .desktop file in your alexandria package?
[11:29] <abelli> s/can you/could you please
[11:30] <daf> which version are you using?
[11:30] <abelli> 0.4
[11:30] <abelli> -2
[11:30] <daf> ok
[11:31] <daf> the .desktop file is present in version 0.5
[11:31] <abelli> something really bad with it?
[11:31] <abelli> grr
[11:31] <abelli> is it somewhere in ubuntu?
[11:31] <daf> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=alexandria
[11:31] <daf> it seems it's present in Breezy
[11:32] <abelli> daf: yeah sorry .. i didnt thought of it.
[11:32] <abelli> thank you then.
[11:32] <daf> no worries
[11:32] <abelli> i owe you a beer/orange juice/glass of water/pizza
[11:33] <daf> heh
[11:38] <abelli> daf: it has brokend dependencies
[11:38] <daf> ah
[11:39] <abelli> it looks for libgnome2-ruby 0.12 and breezy has 0.11
[11:39] <daf> hmmm :/
[11:40] <abelli> dehiho .. doh .. please.
[11:41] <abelli> why is it in universe :)=?
[11:41] <daf> heh
[11:42] <abelli> when will you think youll have it in breezy?
[11:42] <abelli> too many "ll" ..
[11:43] <abelli> s/will/do
[11:46] <daf> not sure
[11:46] <daf> we might still be syncing
[11:46] <abelli> daf: are you using it?
[11:46] <abelli> i mean alexandria ver .5?
[11:47] <daf> yes
[11:47] <abelli> how?
[11:47] <abelli> :)
[11:47] <daf> well, I uploaded the packages to Debian
[11:47] <daf> Ubuntu is just syncing them
[11:48] <abelli> thanks.
[11:49] <abelli> buona giornata a tutti
[12:39] <morgs> edd: ping
[01:40] <Simira> daf: do translations in Hoary/Rosetta automatically go upstream when they're 100% translated?
[01:41] <daf> yes, we hack into the upstream CVS repositories and commit them there
[01:42] <superted> daf: huh?
[01:43] <spiv> daf: You forgot to use explict <sarcasm> tags.
[01:43] <daf> well, upstreams usually don't do it themselves
[01:43] <daf> so we have to do it for them
[01:44] <daf> spiv: :)
[01:44] <spiv> daf: One day, irc clients will fill them in automatically :)
[01:44] <Simira> ok, should I ask more specific: How do I get a ready file upstream?
[01:44] <daf> you have to contact the upstream
[01:44] <daf> we don't have a way of automating it at the moment
[01:44] <asmodai> in an ideal world the rosetta system would notify the maintainers
[01:54] <carlos> asmodai: rosetta should not do it if maintainers are not interested on it
[01:55] <carlos> I mean, if they don't say "Yes, I want to get spammed every time a translation is ready"
[01:56] <daf> still, it's worth adding to the wish list page
[01:56] <Simira> daf/carlos: ok, but what exactly do I do with wget in Hoary-translations, now when it's ready?
[01:56] <asmodai> carlos: Why would you otherwise register your project on launchpad
[01:57] <asmodai> and then register it with rosetta for getting translations
[01:57] <asmodai> and you then let the user having to do notification of the project's maintainers to say a translation is done?
[01:57] <asmodai> Seems opposite towards the workflow.  Of course you can always add a toggle for the email.
[01:59] <mpt> asmodai: In the future I hope to have a Rosetta-centered signup page that still gives you a Launchpad account, but also lets you add your project to Rosetta and say "yes, I want to know about new translations" on a single page
[01:59] <asmodai> mpt: nice.
[01:59] <carlos> asmodai: all products imported into Rosetta are not from maintainers
[02:00] <asmodai> mpt: aren't you one of kiko's friends/acquaintances.
[02:00] <carlos> some of them are from translators that want to use Rosetta to translate that product.
[02:00] <asmodai> carlos: Ahh, ok.
[02:00] <mpt> asmodai: Yep
[02:00] <asmodai> carlos: That's helpful as well as not.
[02:00] <asmodai> mpt: That explains why I thought your nick looked familiar. ;)
[02:00] <carlos> Simira: wget in Hoary-translations?, sorry don't get you
[02:00] <asmodai> mpt: How's tricks?
[02:01] <mpt> asmodai: Midnight meetings are teh suck
[02:01] <asmodai> mpt: *laughs*
[02:01] <asmodai> mpt: Understandable.  They're now on -5 from me.  Can only imagine the difference to you.
[02:01] <Simira> carlos: I'm soon done checking the Norwegian translation of wget, for a friend. What do I do afterwards, to make sure it's submitted?
[02:03] <asmodai> mpt: Been trying desparately landing a python related job here in NL.  Gah.  difficult.
[02:05] <carlos> Simira: For Ubuntu?, just upload it into Rosetta
[02:06] <carlos> Simira: if you want it inside upstream tarballs, you need to send it to upstream maintainer
[02:07] <Simira> carlos: ok, I need to export the file from Hoary translations, and then upload it to Rosetta?
[02:08] <carlos> Simira: What do you understand as "Hoary translations"?
[02:08] <carlos> I thought you were already using Rosetta for it...
[02:09] <Simira> carlos: I am. But it's kind of confusing when I go to "distros  ubuntu  hoary  +sources  wget" to translate it.
[02:10] <carlos> that's wget as we have it in hoary
[02:10] <carlos> why Is it confusing?
[02:10] <Simira> carlos: ok, so when we have translated it 100%, it's automatically updated in hoary?
[02:11] <carlos> we will do a translations update for hoary every month
[02:12] <Simira> ok
[02:12] <carlos> so yes, you don't need to care about anything to get them into Ubuntu
[02:12] <Simira> ok
[02:12] <mpt> asmodai: Sorry, I don't know anyone in .nl, let alone snake handlers
[02:12] <carlos> but it's a good thing to send the updates also upstream
[02:12] <Simira> carlos: yes. Howto?
[02:13] <carlos> Simira: we don't have a procedure
[02:13] <carlos> but the best way to do it is
[02:13] <carlos> look for the project web page
[02:13] <carlos> and a way to contact them
[02:13] <carlos> and send the translation
[02:13] <Simira> notify the maintainer, I guess? Yes
[02:14] <carlos> yes
[02:14] <Simira> well, I'll go that after lunch
[02:14] <Simira> thanks.
[02:14] <Simira> But you should have an option for automatic emailing maintainers when translations are done. An optional one.
[02:14] <carlos> Simira: please, add it to the RosettaWishList page
[02:14] <carlos> at ubuntu's wiki
[02:15] <Simira> that and more...
[02:15] <Simira> did I ever get an answer on what's the best chance of getting things done? Adding it as a bug in Malone (as I was told earlier, and ahve done a lot), or in the wiki?
[02:16] <asmodai> mpt: Oh, was not saying you should look f or me ;)
[02:16] <asmodai> mpt: just commenting on the general state ;)
[02:17] <carlos> Simira: well, whatever you use, will not get lost
[02:17] <carlos> Simira: the wiki page lets other people know about what has been requested already
[02:17] <carlos> so it's up to you
[02:36] <mdke> carlos, did you see bug 528?
[02:36] <carlos> I think so, will try to answer today
[02:40] <mdke> not a problem
[02:40] <mdke> just wanted to let you know. i don't think it was every a problem before, its suddenly appeared
[02:42] <carlos> mdke: well, I think it's the way he's trying to get the translation form. There seems to be a bug in that path
[02:43] <carlos> mdke: but https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+translations should work
[02:43] <carlos> of course the other bug will be fixed, but If it's what I think, it's not Rosetta specific so I cannot tell you when it will be fixed (I hope soon).
[02:45] <mdke> right
[02:53] <mdke> carlos, i still get that error when accessing the translation from that url
[02:53] <carlos> hmmm
[02:53] <carlos> can I get the link?
[02:53] <mdke> from that page, i click quickguide, then italian, then "show untranslated strings"
[02:53] <mdke> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/hoary/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/quickguide/+translate?languages=it
[02:57] <carlos> ooh, that
[02:57] <carlos> hmm, I think that we were talking about two different bugs then
[02:58] <carlos> mdke: I did a change to Rosetta that hope will reach the server next week and will fix that problem
[02:58] <mdke> carlos, cool
[03:00] <mdke> perhaps i got the bug number wrong ;)
[03:03] <carlos> mdke: no, I was talking with you relaying in my memory :-)
[03:03] <carlos> and I'm still a bit "jet lagged"
[03:04] <carlos> so I'm the point of failure here :-P
[03:04] <mdke> carlos, take some time out to relax
[03:04] <mdke> i'm off on holiday myself today
[03:04] <mdke> carlos, how did UDU go re: Rosetta?
[03:05] <pschulz01> greetings. I've just signed up.. and have a small patch for 'fdclock'
[03:05] <pschulz01> what should I do?
[03:05] <carlos> mdke: really good, we have a list of feature we are going to develop for next two months already. Need to dump it into the wiki so all people knows it
[03:05] <mdke> great
[03:06] <carlos> pschulz01: hmmm, not sure if it's related with launchpad itself... I suppose fdclock is an Ubuntu application, right?
[03:06] <pschulz01> 'free desktop clock'
[03:06] <carlos> mdke: did you saw the spec about Ubuntu doc imports?
[03:06] <carlos> pschulz01: ok, then I suppose you should go to #ubuntu-devel
[03:06] <pschulz01> I reported a bug with 'reportbug' (something different.
[03:07] <mdke> carlos, i tried but the wiki was password protected
[03:07] <carlos> pschulz01: hmm, reportbug sends the bugs to debian
[03:07] <pschulz01> #ubuntu-users (bob2) suggested I look at launchpad...
[03:07] <bob2> er
[03:07] <bob2> I told you what to do
[03:07] <bob2> go to bugzilla if the package is in main
[03:07] <carlos> mdke: I put an open copy at the udu wiki, the only missing part is the implementation plan....
[03:07] <pschulz01> carlos: no.. the email goes to ubuntu-users
[03:07] <carlos> oh
[03:07] <bob2> malone (I gave you the url) if it's in universe
[03:07] <carlos> didn't know that
[03:08] <mdke> carlos, will look when I get back
[03:08] <carlos> mdke: ok
[03:08] <pschulz01> bob2: hi! Yes i'm registered.. and I came here to find out what to do next.
[03:08] <bob2> pschulz01: go to the url I gave you
[03:09] <pschulz01> bob2: done that. fdclock not a registered product.
[03:10] <pschulz01> bob2: should I register it?
[03:34] <carlos> pschulz01: there is already such product...
[03:34] <carlos> pschulz01: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/fdclock/+filebug
[03:34] <carlos> (not sure if you just created it...)
[03:34] <carlos> yeah, you are the owner :-P
[03:40] <pschulz01> I just edded it.
[03:40] <pschulz01> 'added'
[03:41] <pschulz01> How do I add add a patch?
[03:42] <carlos> pschulz01: malone does not allows you to attach files (yet)
[03:42] <carlos> if it's not too long, add it inside the text area
[03:42] <pschulz01> Sould I send it directly to the maintainer?
[03:42] <carlos> if it's too long, try to put there a link to it
[03:43] <pschulz01> This first one is very short :-)
[03:43] <carlos> pschulz01: if you want it applied upstream, I suppose it's faster if you send it to the maintainer
[04:00] <pschulz01> I tried to add a comment to a bug (568) and got an error...
[04:00] <pschulz01> When this happened previously, I tried again and it seemed to work.
[08:46] <Burgundavia> who would I email abut double accounts on launchpad
[08:46] <dholbach> hey
[08:46] <SteveA> do you mean that you have two separate accounts, and you'd like to make them one?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:47] <SteveA> there's a link here :  https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/foaf/people
[08:47] <SteveA> the link is for "merge them"
[08:48] <SteveA> you get some emails with URLs in, and go to the URLs to show that you have those email addresses
[08:48] <SteveA> other than that, it is automatic
[08:48] <Burgundavia> ick
[08:48] <Burgundavia> I have an issue
[08:49] <Burgundavia> the email my launchpad/wiki account is under is dead
[08:49] <Burgundavia> and I have no way of getting it back
[08:50] <SteveA> i see.
[08:50] <Burgundavia> one of the accounts has zero activity, so it can be deleted
[08:50] <SteveA> okay, what's the email address or name of that account?
[08:50] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/foaf/people/corey-burger/ <-- this one
[08:51] <SteveA> okay
[08:51] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/foaf/people/cburger/ <-- this is the one I edit under, which is still under the email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:51] <Burgundavia> I have no idea where the empty account came from
[08:51] <Burgundavia> I would guess some auto merge wierdness
[08:52] <SteveA> okay, i'll pass this on to the database admin
[08:52] <Burgundavia> thanks
[08:53] <Burgundavia> SteveA, just a sec
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I may be able to solve it
[08:55] <Burgundavia> SteveA, I thought you needed to send to both email addys
[08:55] <Burgundavia> but you didn't
[08:55] <SteveA> so, it's sorted out for you?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:56] <SteveA> cool
[08:56] <Burgundavia> thanks for the info
[11:46] <jbailey> I'm trying to 'Request Merge of User Accounts', and either me or the application is confused.
[11:46] <jbailey> I got here because I went to add my home email to my launchpad account, and says that I already exist.
[11:47] <jbailey> I went to merge, and typed in my other email address under duplicated account, but there it says that it can't find it.
[11:47] <Kinnison> merging seems complicated and incomplete currently
[11:47] <jbailey> When I click "(list)", the select person popup box shows up, but it also doesn't know<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:48] <jbailey> Ah, okay.
[11:49] <jbailey> lifeless told me that I should actually report bugs that I've been having in Launchpad these days.  Does Malone handle bugs for the launchpad product?
[11:49] <jbailey> I'd like to add myself to a cc: list for the bug so I can remember to merge these when it's ready.
[11:50] <JanC> jbailey : AFAIK launchpad user accounts only use the part before '@' as the username
[11:51] <jbailey> JanC: I can try that, but 'jbailey' is a pretty overloaded name out there.
[11:51] <JanC> yeah, maybe they automaticly add a number or something ?
[11:51] <jbailey> Creepy, it has apparently just sent an email out to the account I want to merge with.
[11:51] <JanC> during the import I mean
[11:52] <jbailey> No indication of who that was.
[11:52] <jbailey> Import?
[11:52] <JanC> import from the old accounts (wiki, mailing list addresses, ...) into "launchpad persons"
[11:52] <jbailey> Ah, interesting.
[11:52] <jbailey> Then I probably have a pile of them.
[11:53] <JanC> I was listed 3 times because I used 3 e-mail addresses  ;-)
[11:53] <jbailey> It remains a bug, I suspect, that this isn't obvious (especially given that the screen before I was using an emailaddress to identify myself)
[11:54] <JanC> you probably better ask someone who works on this  :-)
[11:54] <jbailey> Also, depending on what all it imported, I probably have accounts in there that I can't get to - A few of my Debian packages still use a really old email address that I can't send or receive mails from anymore.
[11:55] <jbailey> JanC: Ah, sorry about that.  I hadn't realised I was in the wrong place.
[11:55] <jbailey> JanC: Where's the right place to put the questions?
[11:56] <JanC> no it's okay here, but it seems like nobody is around
[11:56] <JanC> at least, none of the developers did answer yet  :)
[11:56] <jbailey> It's all good, I'm patient.  Timezones suck.
[11:58] <Kinnison> The relevant developers are almost certainly asleep
[11:59] <jbailey> Kinnison: Or just crawling out of bed.
[11:59] <jbailey> Kinnison: Thinking of which, are you feeling better yet?
[11:59] <JanC> timezones are fun, they mean there is almost always someone awake on one of the more general Ubuntu channels  ;-)


[05:00] <tarsin> hello, my apologies if this isn't appropriate for this channel.  i am trying to apply xenomai and adeos-ipipe patches to the ubuntu kernel. i downloaded the kernel source via: `apt-get source linux-source-2.6.22` when i go to apply the patch to the created directory it seems to fail in a couple of places. so instead i tried extracting the vanilla kernel that was provided from apt-get, then applied my patches. now i'd like to apply the ubuntu patches,
[05:02] <tarsin> i am curious if there is a better way to do what i want? or if there is a place i can find the collection of patches that make up linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-14.46.diff.gz, as it would be easier to exclude the just those patches that fail to apply
[05:11] <lamont> tarsin: for working with the (gutsy, 2.6.22) kernel, the ideal starting point is 'git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git'
[05:11] <lamont> and then apply your patch to a new branch vs upstream, and then merge the two branches
[05:12] <lamont> of course, that's probably not all that clear if you're not already a git user...
[05:13] <tarsin> no.. i'm not. it sounds like its not something i am gonig to be able to hack together tonight unless i spend the next 4 hours looking at it :)
[05:13] <tarsin> im familar with version control systems.. but not git
[08:51] <tomasko> hi
[08:52] <IntuitiveNipple> But quieter in here for this
[08:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm just looking at the Gutsy code now
[08:52] <tomasko> oh, cool.
[08:54] <tomasko> okay, so i cleaned my system of kvm stuff. i apt-get install kvm. it sets everything up and adds the kvm group
[08:55] <tomasko> now i try modprobe kvm-amd (with lsmod | grep kvm showing nothing) and get: FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): Operation not supported
[08:55] <IntuitiveNipple> then you do sudo modprobe kvm_amd ?
[08:55] <tomasko> now lsmod | grep kvm shows: kvm                    64944  0
[08:56] <tomasko> stock gutsy kernel, i didn't do anything funky with custom kernels, etc.
[08:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm, that looks as if kvm-amd doesn't like the CPU
[08:57] <tomasko> grep svm /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l shows 2
[09:00] <tomasko> whatever, i uninstalled kvm. i don't want to reboot my computer for something that shouldn't need me rebooting
[09:00] <tomasko> IntuitiveNipple: if you do figure it out, let me know. i'm off to bed. thanks.
[09:01] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm checking the source now
[09:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Was the precise error "Operation not supported" ?
[09:03] <tomasko> Yes.
[09:04] <tomasko> gah, i won't get any sleep at this rate :P
[09:04] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm, that is a generic error caused by internal issues
[09:04] <tomasko> meaning...?
[09:04] <IntuitiveNipple> It is not an error generated specifically by KVM
[09:06] <tomasko> yeargh
[09:06] <tomasko> is kvm really worth it? what will i get from that that i wouldn't get from qemu?
[09:06] <IntuitiveNipple> The error is something like this: ?
[09:06] <IntuitiveNipple> FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.20-6-generic/kernel/drivers/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported
[09:06] <tomasko> i already pasted the exact error
[09:06] <IntuitiveNipple> It's fantastically faster... I use kvm all the time
[09:06] <tomasko> even if i'm emulating linux on linux?
[09:07] <tomasko> (fedora on ubuntu)
[09:07] <IntuitiveNipple> If you want to do that, use User Mode Linux, but yes, it is faster because KVM doesn't emulate user instructions, it runs them on the native CPU
[09:08] <tomasko> well, it's actually the olpc image on ubuntu
[09:08] <tomasko> but since i'll be actually testing it out on my c2d laptop, there's no sense in trying on this desktop very hard
[09:09] <IntuitiveNipple> I run with KVM, it works well
[09:09] <tomasko> anyway, goodnight. if i care about this more, i'll help test out in winter break. right now i've got work to do :(
[09:09] <IntuitiveNipple> I run XO with KVM, is what I meant to type!
[09:10] <IntuitiveNipple> night
[09:10] <tomasko> so gotta wake up early to get to it :(
[09:10] <tomasko> oh, cool. that's good to know, but sad to know won't work on my laptop for sure (which doesn't have intel's vt extensions for sure)
[09:11] <IntuitiveNipple> You can use user mode linux, that'll be fast
[09:12] <IntuitiveNipple> One thing I can think to check... has the /dev/kvm device been created and what are its permissions
[09:13] <IntuitiveNipple> I see:
[09:13] <IntuitiveNipple> $ ls -l /dev/kvm
[09:13] <IntuitiveNipple> crw-rw---- 1 root kvm 10, 232 2007-11-21 14:52 /dev/kvm
[10:33] <asabil> hi all
[12:55] <soren> Oh, BenC! Just the man I wanted to talk to. :)
[12:55] <soren> BenC: When do you suppose the first hardy kernels will hit the archive?
[12:56] <BenC> soren: Going to find out the status this morning
[12:56] <soren> BenC: Oh, good.
[13:44] <zdzichuBG> hi guys
[13:45] <zdzichuBG> I wonder, if Hardy kernel builds are planned soon? I'd like to have SATA link and hda-intel power management features on my laptop.
[13:47] <zul> zdzichuBG: soon..
[13:47] <zdzichuBG> cool
[14:15] <doko> hmm, how do I set the device class of a PCI card?
[15:18] <kraut> moin
[15:37] <zul> is there a kernel team meeting this week?
[16:20] <zdzichuBG> http://guichaz.free.fr/misc/#iotop  is pretty useful, but requires " Linux >= 2.6.20 with I/O accounting support". Could this be enabled in ubuntu?
[20:16] <zul> oi this is such pain..
[20:58] <lifeless> bug 88889
[20:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88889 in ubuntu-iso-tests "20070301: edubuntu i386 desktop" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88889
[20:58] <lifeless> bah
[20:59] <lifeless> bug 88899
[20:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88899 in linux-source-2.6.20 "cpufreq locked in slowest speed" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88899
[20:59] <lifeless> BenC: ^ a user has done a really good analysis of this ancient bug; I think a few minutes from you to point them at the right code location would be effective


[04:56] <nuvolari> fp
[05:30] <inetpro> sp
[05:31] <inetpro> goeiemore nuvolari
[05:32] <magespawn> good morning
[05:34] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[05:35] <magespawn> did you see that question/statement from yesterday?
[05:37] <nuvolari> môre inetpro :)
[05:37] <nuvolari> hello magespawn
[05:37] <magespawn> hi there nuvolari
[05:38] <inetpro> magespawn: question/statement?
[05:38] <magespawn> the one about finding two routers on the same physical network
[05:40] <inetpro> hmm... unlikely but possible
[05:40] <inetpro> just check the gateway address
[05:41] <magespawn> was a bit strange in that my win laptop got its address from one and the lubuntu one got it from the other
[05:41] <magespawn> both laptops set to dhcp
[05:41] <magespawn> the second router has no internet connection
[05:41] <inetpro> netstat -ar
[05:41] <magespawn> and they were on different subnets
[05:42] <magespawn> i will check that on Monday when i am down at that property again
[05:46] <magespawn> also nobody there could tell me where the router actually is, so more fun and games
[05:50] <bduk1> More more almal
[05:53] <magespawn> hi bduk1
[06:06] <inetpro> magespawn: is it all wireless?
[06:12] <magespawn> no this is the local lan that then connects through a nanobridge m5 to the adsl point
[06:17] <somaunn> Hello Everyone
[06:18] <magespawn> hi somaunn
[06:18] <magespawn> brb
[06:18] <somaunn> hi magespawn
[06:18] <somaunn> brb
[06:34] <Squirm> morning
[06:42] <Golynx> Morning Squirm
[06:43] <Golynx> Hi Kilos
[06:44] <Kilos> hi Golynx superfly and others
[06:44] <Kilos> i be very busy but thought what you have done wrong there Golynx
[06:44] <Golynx> You did ?
[06:45] <Kilos> yip i think you still have something unticked in update manager settings thats why that kernel is missing and synaptic cant do its work
[06:46] <Kilos> i miight be offline most of the day im working on a 2TB drive ive been battling with for about 6 months
[06:47] <Golynx> I unticked eveything you told me in update manager
[06:48] <Golynx> Aah thats nice Kilos
[06:48] <Kilos> maybe we just go check hey?
[06:48] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:48] <Golynx> ok
[06:49] <Kilos> Golynx, open update manager
[06:49] <Kilos> and dont play with cli at the same time
[06:49] <Golynx> but no downloading anymore, already used too much data
[06:49] <Golynx> Hi superfly
[06:49] <superfly> hi Golynx
[06:49] <Kilos> yes i just am trying to find why synaptic has no reinstall options in some files
[06:50] <Kilos> or you can leave it as is till you got data
[06:50] <Golynx> ok settings is open
[06:50] <Kilos> ok
[06:51] <Kilos> in updates 1st 2nd and 4th must be ticked
[06:51] <Kilos> not the prerease one as well
[06:51] <Golynx> You told me to untick them last week
[06:51] <Kilos> hi liam
[06:51] <Kilos> liamT,
[06:51] <Golynx> Hi liamT
[06:52] <liamT> moaning
[06:52] <Kilos> lol
[06:52] <Golynx> I dont want security updates
[06:53] <Golynx> leave this for now though
[06:53] <Kilos> you have to have them man
[06:54] <Golynx> I got Thunar file manager and cant find anywhere on google how to make it default on 12.04
[06:54] <Golynx> Its more than a second faster than Nautilus
[06:55] <Kilos> good
[06:55] <Kilos> anyway it looks like that is where you problem lies
[06:56] <Golynx> pcmanfm is fast too but dont wana show the system files
[06:56] <Kilos> if you had told me you didnt tick what i told you to we wouldnt have spent yesterday trying to find what was wrong
[06:57] <Golynx> What good will security updates do ?
[06:57] <Kilos> you windows peeps
[06:57] <liamT> anyone who use shell, I've been using the 'tmux' addon, it's added to my life in terms of monitoring log files
[06:57] <Kilos> sigh
[06:57] <Kilos> liamT, hang here, somaun was looking for shell help yesterday and last night
[06:58] <Kilos> somaunn, are you awake
[06:58] <Golynx> Synaptic is just a big cry baby
[06:58] <Kilos> no man its you that breaks things by unticking stuff it needs
[06:59] <Kilos> i told you forget the windows way of doing things
[06:59] <Golynx> Its not a massive system failure Kilos, it can be repaired
[06:59] <Kilos> security updates in windows and in linux are totally different things
[06:59] <Kilos> ya luckily
[07:00] <Golynx> Do you know howi can make Thunar the default
[07:00] <Kilos> npe never used it
[07:01] <Kilos> my nautilus works kiff
[07:01] <Golynx> Or any file manager default
[07:01] <Kilos> Maaz, how to make thunar default on 12.04
[07:01] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[07:01] <liamT> I can change mine under "Preferred Applications"
[07:01] <Kilos> ai!
[07:02] <Golynx> I tried this but still pops up nautilus exo-preferred-applications
[07:02] <Kilos> Maaz, google   how to make thunar default on 12.04
[07:02] <Maaz> Kilos: "Trying to set Thunar as a default file manager in Ubuntu 12.04" http://askubuntu.com/questions/253131/trying-to-set-thunar-as-a-default-file-manager-in-ubuntu-12-04 :: "12.04 - How do I reset to the default file manager for all folders ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/355848/how-do-i-reset-to-the-default-file-manager-for-all-folders :: "Use Nautilus with
[07:02] <Maaz> Xfce as default file manager - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/169036/use-nau…
[07:03] <Golynx> exo-preferred-applications says Thunar is default but stuff still opens with nautilus
[07:04] <Kilos> oh wait
[07:04] <Kilos> find a file you want to open
[07:04] <Golynx> and thunar in the quick launch icon supposed to show all the folders thats opened if its the default fm
[07:04] <Kilos> right click on it
[07:04] <Kilos> and then open with
[07:04] <Kilos> at the bottom is other i think
[07:04] <Kilos> it shows whats installed
[07:05] <Kilos> scroll down to find thunar
[07:05] <Golynx> Do i find the file with thunar ?
[07:05] <Kilos> if you find thunar in the other then it should become your default
[07:06] <Kilos> you right click on the file and choose open with
[07:06] <Golynx> ok
[07:07] <Golynx> Not working Kilos
[07:07] <Golynx> I think Thunar is supposed to open folders though
[07:08] <Kilos> didnt you find thunar in there
[07:08] <Kilos> ?
[07:08] <Golynx> Yes but wont "Use as default" OPen button is disabled
[07:08] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/253131/trying-to-set-thunar-as-a-default-file-manager-in-ubuntu-12-04
[07:09] <Kilos> what does that link show
[07:09] <Kilos> have they sorted it
[07:10] <Kilos> when you have data we set your update manager correctly then everything will work faster and better
[07:10] <Golynx> Nope, already used that command exo-preferred-applications. Thunar is the default, but not the default
[07:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:11] <Golynx> That will be in the middle of next month
[07:11] <Kilos> ok , at least it is working so long
[07:12] <Kilos> but you must just put up with the niggles till upgraded
[07:12] <Golynx> Ya its fine , didnt get to download mysql that i needed aswell , but got apache and php so i'm fine until then
[07:12] <Kilos> how big is mysql
[07:13] <Golynx> 26mb
[07:13] <Kilos> eish i cant even mail it to you, you will still lose the data
[07:14] <Kilos> even on dropbox
[07:14] <Golynx> Ya , but its fine i will do other things until i got the data
[07:14] <Kilos> good
[07:14] <Golynx> ty for the help
[07:14] <Kilos> np
[07:26] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:26] <Kilos> i go sort sheep
[07:37] <Vince-0> surp
[07:43] <liamT> anyone deployed Flask middleware on apache wsgi ?
[07:44] <Kilos> ohi magespawn
[07:59] <somaunn> hello
[07:59] <somaunn> Kilos: yes i was on meetting
[08:00] <Kilos> aha liamT said something about shells
[08:01] <liamT> i've been finding tmux very useful
[08:01] <liamT> monitoring multiple files in the same shell window
[08:06] <Kilos> i think he needs basic info on how to use shells liamT
[08:11] <Kilos> all i could think of was the lpi manual
[08:14] <Kilos> Maaz, google using bourne shell for newbies
[08:14] <Maaz> Kilos: "Bash Guide for Beginners" http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ :: "Bash Guide for Beginners - The Linux Documentation Project" http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/Bash-Beginners-Guide.html :: "BASH Help - A Bash Tutorial - Hypexr.org" http://www.hypexr.org/bash_tutorial.php :: "Bourne Shell Tutorial - The Grymoire!"
[08:14] <Maaz> http://www.grymoire.com/unix/Sh.html :: ""Bash Guide for Beginners" (Second Edition) by Machtelt Garre…
[08:14] <Kilos> there somaunn that might help
[08:16] <Kilos> Maaz, google Bash Guide for Beginners" (Second Edition) by Machtelt
[08:16] <Maaz> Kilos: ""Bash Guide for Beginners" (Second Edition) by Machtelt Garrels" http://writers.fultus.com/garrels/ebooks/Machtelt_Garrels_Bash_Guide_for_Beginners_2nd_Ed.pdf :: "Bash Guide for Beginners (Second Edition): Machtelt Garrels ..." http://www.amazon.com/Bash-Guide-Beginners-Second-Edition/dp/1596822015 :: "Bash Guide for Beginners: Machtelt Garrels:
[08:16] <Maaz><PHONE_NUMBER>943 ..." http://www.amazon.com/Bash-Guide-Beginners-Machtelt-Garrels/dp/0974433942 :: "Bas…
[08:22] <charl> good morning
[08:22] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:22]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:22] <charl> hi Kilos, liamT, somaunn, Vince-0
[08:23] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:23] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:23] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[08:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:27] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:27] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:30] <Vince-0> charl, !
[08:30] <Vince-0> another kak day in paradise
[08:34] <Kilos> ai!
[08:38] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[08:38] <magespawn> hi Vince-0 charl  superfly
[08:45] <Vince-0> surp
[08:52] <magespawn> bbl
[08:53] <Kilos> magespawn, you wont believe
[08:53] <Kilos> aw
[08:54] <magespawn> still here
[08:54] <inetpro> Vince-0: what's wrong?
[08:54] <Kilos> i got xp 0n the 2TB
[08:55] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[08:55] <Kilos> found some weird thing
[08:55] <magespawn> nice Kilos
[08:55] <magespawn> what is that?
[08:55] <inetpro> good mornings Kilos
[08:55] <Kilos> in bios there is an option to disable password on a drive with nothing on
[08:56] <inetpro> what's the point of that?
[08:56] <magespawn> are you sure that is not just the bios password?
[08:56] <Kilos> then i could part and format some of it
[08:56] <Kilos> nope
[08:56] <Kilos> i dont use bios passwords ever
[08:57] <Kilos> made a part of 101g and xp hung at 63% formatting
[08:57] <Kilos> coupla times
[08:57] <Kilos> made another 20g part and xp formatted and installed to there
[08:58] <Kilos> now still gotta get ubuntu to install on the 1.7 TB thats left
[08:58] <Kilos> hehe
[08:59] <Kilos> im excited. 6 or 8 months of on and off to sort that 2TB
[09:00] <Kilos> so ill be offline a while. other screen sick
[09:00] <magespawn> good luck
[09:00] <Kilos> ty im sure its fixed now
[09:01] <Kilos> only prob is that there is only one part left for ubuntu, rest must be them logicals
[09:03] <magespawn> check the drive as much as you can
[09:15] <Kilos> will do
[09:15] <Kilos> just blew 733m on zsyncing 12.04 to 12.04.3
[09:15] <Kilos> eish
[09:16] <Kilos> should done it with night surfer
[09:16] <Kilos> 2TB got me all excited
[09:16] <Kilos> wbb some time. you guys be good and hold the fort
[09:17] <Kilos> have a great day
[09:29] <Vince-0> inetpro, niks verkeerd? Another kak day in paradise
[09:29] <inetpro> ai!
[12:16] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:30] <mazal> Things that makes you go hmmmm
[12:31] <mazal> Daai liedtjie is nou in my kop hehehehe
[12:43] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a good weekend
[14:00] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[14:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn still struggling with 2tb
[14:01] <Kilos> grrr
[14:10] <magespawn> keeping you busy
[14:17] <Kilos> yeah
[14:18] <magespawn> busy watching a yagi construction video
[14:20] <magespawn> andrew mcneil on youtube
[14:23] <Kilos> cool
[14:23] <magespawn> He goes into a lot of detail
[14:23] <Kilos> i go fetch sheep
[14:23] <Kilos> size?
[14:24] <magespawn> no idea 12 minutes
[14:24] <Kilos> link please. ill try get it sometime
[14:25] <Kilos> for wifi?
[14:25] <magespawn> yes or anything in 2.4 or 5 Ghz  frequency
[14:26] <Eames> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GWoAUM2mAs
[14:26] <magespawn> that is for a helical antenna
[14:28] <magespawn> looks like he has a video for almost every style
[14:29] <Kilos> mind you the only part i struggle with is the folded dipole
[14:30] <Kilos> hard to get it in shape properly and right size
[14:31] <Kilos> mind you i used brazing rod which don bend too easy
[14:32] <magespawn> most of the ones i have seen use copper wire
[14:33] <Kilos> yeah but i only had brzing rods
[14:33] <magespawn> right
[14:33] <magespawn> bbl got to go work
[14:34] <Kilos> there is a site that one ucec to design it accorbing to material thickness and type etc
[14:34] <Kilos> copper 1.6mm is the best i think
[14:39] <inetpro> they'll steal it man
[14:39] <Kilos> will give you the link when i get back on that drive
[14:39] <Kilos> no man there is too little
[14:39] <Kilos> mind you i have all the measurements saved too
[14:40] <inetpro> too little? How much copper can you find in a water meter?
[14:40] <Kilos> will mail it to you
[14:40] <inetpro> they stole my water meter twice
[14:40] <Kilos> haha i dunno
[14:40] <Kilos> but yagi goes on roof or pole like a tv aerial
[14:41] <Kilos> and you can build it for the cost of the copper wire ans 0ne straight dowel
[14:41] <Kilos> im making mine on plastic but
[14:42] <Kilos> dowel is good for testing cheaply
[14:44] <Kilos> just remember elements must be perfectly inline with each other
[14:47] <Kilos> ohi Golynx
[14:47] <Golynx> Hey Kilos
[14:48] <Golynx> Hows the 2TB project going
[14:49] <Kilos> struggling
[14:49] <Kilos> wont take anything but xp
[14:49] <Golynx> That suks
[14:51] <Kilos> yeah
[14:52] <Kilos> but ill keep investigating
[14:52] <Golynx> thats good
[14:53] <Kilos> yeah drives are too expensive to buy
[14:54] <Golynx> Ya one mans trash is anothers treasure
[14:54] <Kilos> lol yeah
[14:54] <Golynx> good luck with that
[14:55] <Kilos> ty
[14:55] <Golynx> np
[14:55] <Kilos> only been working on it 6 or 8 months on and off
[14:56] <Kilos> but it has weird probs. if i plug it in as second drive ubuntu does even boot
[14:57] <Kilos> was killed by heavy virriii
[14:59] <Golynx> Did you remove the virus
[15:02] <Kilos> ive formatted the whole drive
[15:03] <Kilos> also the 2TB samsung had a prob. if you tried to install anything but windows it marked the attempt as bad sectors
[15:03] <Golynx> Thats good
[15:04] <Kilos> for windows ya
[15:04] <Golynx> oh, maybe it only eccept a certain file system like FAT32
[15:05] <Kilos> ntfs
[15:05] <Kilos> had win7 on when it crashed
[15:05] <Golynx> or ntfs
[15:06] <Golynx> oh, maybe the drive could be physically damaged too
[15:06] <Kilos> ya i think it was thrown around some
[15:07] <Kilos> hehe
[15:07] <Kilos> got a few that had broken control cards and connectors etc
[15:08] <Golynx> lol, ya some people will throw their HDD against the wall if that virus tempted them that much
[15:08] <Kilos> lol
[15:09] <Golynx> Some can be fixed though, so just the software needs to be fixed in such cases
[15:10] <Kilos> i have got 5 outa 14 totally repaired and all data save
[15:10] <Kilos> d
[15:11] <Kilos> and 2 that work with ubuntu if first 20g is used for windows
[15:11] <Golynx> Thats a good average
[15:11] <Kilos> eish
[15:12] <Golynx> You use older versions of ubuntu on them
[15:13] <Kilos> i like everything to work, thats why i havent thrown away my faulty psus
[15:13] <Kilos> i use whatever gets them going again
[15:13] <Kilos> from 98 to dos 7.1
[15:13] <Kilos> to ubcd
[15:14] <Kilos> and supergrub
[15:14] <charl> good afternoon all
[15:14] <charl> just spoke to a friend of mine on skype through my regular office telephone
[15:14] <Kilos> i have many repair tools and data recovery tool are in ubuntu repos
[15:14] <Kilos> good charl
[15:14] <Golynx> Thats awesome Kilos, those old machines really need some revival
[15:15] <charl> lync has federation with skype so it works perfectly
[15:15] <Golynx> Hi charl
[15:15] <charl> hi Golynx
[15:15] <charl> all free and through voip
[15:18] <Kilos> linux has awesome tools
[15:20] <Kilos> and the supergrub cd can boot into a drive with damaged mbr and boot sector
[15:22] <Golynx> Nice
[15:22] <Kilos> boot the os that is
[16:00] <nlsthzn> hi all you sexy ppl ;)
[16:01] <Kilos> lol hi nlsthzn
[16:01] <nlsthzn> I am pooped
[16:01] <Kilos> long day?
[16:03] <nlsthzn> long week that keeps going longer
[16:04] <Kilos> ai!
[16:05] <nlsthzn> and then you even miss the bus and get home late :p
[16:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:09] <nlsthzn> and then you take your issues home and get the wife upset... *sigh*
[16:10] <Kilos> thats bad
[16:11] <magespawn> never take the issues how
[16:11] <magespawn> or rather take them home but not the attitude that comes with them
[16:11] <Kilos> yip
[16:11] <magespawn> recently had a similar 'chat' with my better half too
[16:12] <magespawn> hi nlsthzn
[16:12] <Kilos> you like playing with fire
[16:13] <nlsthzn> hey magespawn... I know I know ... doesn't help when you still do it :p
[16:13] <magespawn> Kilos, i have just taken an EnGenius  EAP-3660 apart, it was damaged by a power surge, i now have the antenna from inside
[16:14] <somaunn> Hi Guys, i'm back
[16:15] <somaunn> i can see it's very busy
[16:15] <somaunn> what's new here
[16:15] <somaunn> ?
[16:15] <Kilos> magespawn, wifi antenna
[16:16] <Kilos> what that genius thing
[16:16] <magespawn> Kilos, i'll see if i can get a picture online
[16:16] <Kilos> all same somaunn
[16:16] <nlsthzn> anyone know of a gdebi equal for KDE? QAPT Installer not working so lekker it seems?!
[16:16] <magespawn> yes very small but supposed to be high power
[16:16] <Kilos> left some links for you if you scroll back to where maaz googled for bash for beginners
[16:17] <Kilos> kde installs on its own
[16:17] <magespawn> http://www.engeniustech.com/component/content/article/158-business/267-high-power-indoor-access-point-universal-repeater-with-poe
[16:17] <Kilos> put the package on desktop or in archives and click on it
[16:18] <somaunn> Kilos: i've found some video about Bash and some about useful (every day) cmd under linux
[16:18] <Kilos> lemme try again
[16:18] <somaunn> Kilos: they're quite useful
[16:18] <Kilos> maaz google bash for beginners
[16:18] <Maaz> Kilos: "Bash Guide for Beginners" http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/ :: "Bash Guide for Beginners - The Linux Documentation Project" http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/Bash-Beginners-Guide.html :: "The Beginner's Guide to Shell Scripting: The Basics - How-To Geek" http://www.howtogeek.com/67469/the-beginners-guide-to-shell-scripting-
[16:18] <Maaz> the-basics/ :: "Beginners/BashScripting - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubu…
[16:19] <Kilos> if you can remember the stuff you read thats great somaunn
[16:20] <somaunn> i can Kilos trust me
[16:20] <Kilos> great i cant
[16:23] <nlsthzn> tried this and this happened - http://slexy.org/view/s20cBIEdnZ
[16:25] <Kilos> isnt it corrupt nlsthzn
[16:26] <nlsthzn> this would be the second download of it then giving the same issue?
[16:26] <Kilos> from same place?
[16:28] <magespawn> maybe there is an issue with the server, or somewhere inbetween
[16:28] <magespawn> later all home time for me
[16:30] <nlsthzn> well it specifically for ubuntu and not kubuntu so maybe that is an issue
[16:30] <nlsthzn> I go eat quicky...
[16:30] <nlsthzn> bbl
[17:01] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos seems you where on the money... 3rd download and installed
[18:18] <Kilos> hi smile
[18:18] <smile> hi Kilos  :)
[18:18] <smile> my exams went fine :D
[18:18] <Kilos> great
[18:18] <smile> I've setup a wiki :)
[18:18] <smile> http://wiki.torios.org
[18:18] <smile> :D
[18:19] <Kilos> meeting 28th at 8.30 pm
[18:20]  * nlsthzn goes sleepy
[18:21] <nlsthzn> night
[18:21] <Kilos> night nlsthzn
[18:21] <smile> :o
[18:21] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:21] <smile> nlsthzn: good night :)
[18:26] <Guest75021> back ;)
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <smile> :p
[18:27] <smile> hmm. :p
[18:36] <Kilos> smile, meet Golynx
[18:36] <smile> Hi Golynx :D
[18:36] <Golynx> Hey smile
[18:37] <smile> How are you? ;)
[18:37] <Golynx> Good and you bud
[18:39] <Golynx> I mean i'm good ty and you smile
[18:39] <smile> I'm fine too :)
[18:39] <smile> Sleep could be better :)
[18:40] <smile> Golynx: how did you discover ubuntu-za ? :)
[18:40] <Golynx> Aah tough week for you smile
[18:40] <smile> yeah :) but no exams and no stress, because school is in vacation :D
[18:42] <Golynx> I was looking for somewhere i could find an ubuntu disk in SA on google. i had freenode and this channel popped up in a site. Kilos was helpfull enough to send me a copy of ubuntu 12.04, which i'm thankfull for
[18:42] <smile> :DD
[18:42] <smile> Great! :D
[18:42] <smile> You had Windows XP, I presume? ;)
[18:43] <Golynx> Aah nice
[18:43] <Golynx> Nope win7
[18:43] <Golynx> Was buggy though
[18:44] <smile> :(
[18:45] <smile> I don't like updates in Windows ;)
[18:46] <Golynx> Never did any updates there, but guess your right
[18:46] <smile> :D
[18:47] <Golynx> lol , are you new here smile
[18:53] <Golynx> Sorry , for 20 seconds there i thought you were a bot
[18:54] <smile> no :D
[18:54] <smile> I'm actually "older" :)
[18:55] <smile> But it has been a while since I've been here :p
[18:55] <Golynx> Oh ok , welcome back then smile ;)
[18:58] <smile> thank you :D
[18:59] <Golynx> np
[18:59] <Kilos> he does wiki stuff Golynx
[18:59] <smile> cool, ubuntu-za has a twitter channel :p
[18:59] <smile> yes indeed ;)
[18:59] <smile> for Wikipedia :)
[19:00] <smile> I setup a new wiki today
[19:00] <Kilos> ubuntuza
[19:00] <smile> http://wiki.torios.org
[19:00] <smile> :)
[19:00] <smile> Kilos: just clicked "Follow"
[19:00] <Kilos> good
[19:00] <Kilos> it dont follow anyone though
[19:00] <smile> :(
[19:01] <Kilos> and only ubuntu-za notifications there
[19:01] <Kilos> i hate twitter man
[19:01] <Kilos> you can follow me too
[19:01] <Kilos> sharpeys
[19:01] <smile> :D
[19:01] <Kilos> and you will see how often i tweet
[19:02] <smile> Great to finally see ya :D
[19:02] <Kilos> hehe
[19:02] <smile> more than me ;)
[19:02] <smile> you have 30+ tweets more
[19:03] <Kilos> is there a pic there?
[19:03] <smile> @ me? :)
[19:03] <Kilos> of me man
[19:03] <Kilos> i dont member whats there even
[19:06] <smile> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2305435605/mwqikwytdw5sde3g04ap.jpeg
[19:07] <smile> ;)
[19:09]  * Golynx got more headaces
[19:09] <Golynx> cool wiki smile
[19:10] <smile> Golynx: yeah :) but it's a bit slow :(
[19:10] <smile> my own wiki is faster :D
[19:10] <smile> http://wiki.hugsmile.eu
[19:12] <Golynx> Aah thats nice
[19:13] <smile> Yes :)
[19:13] <smile> But caching wasn't available at torios.org
[19:13] <smile> I mailed the website admin :)
[19:13] <smile> I'm only wiki admin :D
[19:16] <Golynx> Atleat you dont have to deal with a server. My damn windows php scripts keeps breaking on ubuntu
[19:16] <Golynx> Atleast*
[19:17] <smile> Golynx: any idea why? :)
[19:19] <Golynx> It works but just all the permissions in ubuntu gives me headace now. Cant create files and folders and all fixes on google fails
[19:19] <Golynx> grrr
[19:21] <Kilos> ask superfly what to use rather than php
[19:22] <Kilos> we ha d some other php peeps here at one time
[19:22] <smile> Golynx: which Ubuntu you're using? Standard ubuntu or any of the derivatives? :p
[19:23] <Golynx> I have to use php for server side development Kilos
[19:24] <Golynx> I remember it was a pain to set up php, mysql, apache on windows , but that was 2 years ago
[19:24] <Golynx> Ubuntu 12.04 smile
[19:24] <Kilos> oh is it a must?
[19:24] <smile> Golynx: go to your terminal :p
[19:25] <smile> do
[19:25] <smile> (=type in)
[19:25] <smile> sudo nautilus
[19:25] <smile> right click any folder you wish, properties, rights
[19:25] <smile> and then change everything to read, write ;)
[19:26] <Golynx> Yes it is Kilos, python is the other one , but i know more about php as a server side lang
[19:26] <Golynx> Already tried that smile , did'nt work
[19:26] <Kilos> ah the fly is a python expert
[19:27] <smile> Golynx: what's the error message? :p
[19:27] <Kilos> smile, he can do upgrading till data falls outa the sky
[19:27] <Kilos> cant
[19:27] <smile> yeah, cool, Kilos ;)
[19:27] <smile> data is falling from the sky
[19:27] <smile> please pay attention, or it will destroy you :p
[19:27] <Kilos> he is very capped
[19:28] <Golynx> here's one smile [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] PHP Warning:  mkdir(): Permission denied in /home/gerrit/www/1aMy-IDE/tests/TESTS3/index.php on line 35, referer: http://localhost/1aMy-IDE/tests/TESTS3/index.php
[19:28] <smile> and line 35 reads? :p
[19:29] <smile> And this? :p
[19:29] <smile> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5246114/php-mkdir-permission-denied-problem
[19:29] <Golynx> $file1 = fopen('thetest.txt', 'w');
[19:29] <smile> Have you set the write permissions for the group others, too? :)
[19:29] <smile> (with nautilus rights dialog)
[19:30] <Golynx> Yeah the www folder is set at 755, it showed forbidden before that
[19:31] <Golynx> I use Thunar file manager
[19:31] <Golynx> will try nautilus
[19:34] <Golynx> Nah still errors
[19:35] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:36] <Golynx> night Kilos
[19:36] <smile> and this, Golynx? :p http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9022507/cant-seem-to-get-correct-permissions-for-mkdir-in-php
[19:41] <Golynx> ty smile i will look into that
[19:42] <smile> I'm leaving now :) Good night! :)


[09:12] <ricotz> RAOF, hi :), could you take a look at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/447970389/vala_0.40.17-0ubuntu1_source.changes -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/1803136
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> kirkland, your bikeshed package depends on bzr-fastimport, but fastimport has to disappear due to bzr->brz transition...
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> can you please do some update of the packaging?
[09:39] <enaut[m]> hey all, what is the best way to convert a git tree (with debian directory) to a deb package - without any source.tgz?
[09:40] <tarzeau> enaut[m]: create a source.tgz without debian directory
[09:40] <tarzeau> enaut[m]: if there's a dsc link dget that
[09:40] <tarzeau> enaut[m]: which software is that?
[09:41] <enaut[m]> the software is ltsp-manager kind of my own ;) however I think it is so complicated to build the deb-file locally for testing purposes.
[09:43] <enaut[m]> isn't there a switch for just building the whole directory with dh_make - I mean everything is there to build it just does not build automagically?
[09:44] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: brz provides bzr-fastimport though
[10:36] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, yes true, we should probably make that fastimport a transitional package? meh, don't care.
[10:39] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: I mean ... it is
[10:39] <cjwatson>  bzr-fastimport | 0.13.0+bzr361+brz1     | focal-proposed/universe | source, all
[10:39] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: Maybe you're looking in focal rather than focal-proposed
[10:55] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, I just syncd it
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> i confused with bzr-webdav, that one probably needs to be kicked out
[13:39] <doko> marcustomlinson: any update with the libreoffice autopkg test?
[13:40] <marcustomlinson> doko: will be fixed tomorrow or thursday with the new version
[13:42] <doko> marcustomlinson: how do you know? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=943401
[13:42] <marcustomlinson> doko: I will disable the test as Debian has done
[13:44] <marcustomlinson> could I just ask for a day so I can correlate the fix with the new release
[13:54] <doko> marcustomlinson: seriously disabling without checking for the issue?
[13:55] <marcustomlinson> doko: libreoffice is unfortunately not the only pain in my ass right now
[13:55] <doko> ;-P
[13:56] <doko> marcustomlinson: is this test run during the build as well, and if not, how can it be run?
[13:57] <marcustomlinson> doko: afaiu it does run during build yes
[13:58] <marcustomlinson> though, it looks like Debian have disabled it during build too. hmm, might have to as well
[13:59] <marcustomlinson> how can it be run > make check
[14:01] <doko> marcustomlinson: please could you enable building with the internal cppunit, and see if the problem persists? a stack trace would be good to have
[16:16] <cpaelzer__> ahasenack: I have synced postgresql-common 208
[16:16] <cpaelzer__> it was ready now and has the changes we need
[16:17] <cpaelzer__> I'll let it run tests over night as they auto-trigger, then we might need to go to p-migraton and check which older tests need custom triggers to properly work
[16:25] <infinity> cpaelzer__: A psql transition in the middle of unwinding the initial autosync?  You're brave.
[16:26] <cpaelzer__> infinity: it already started by exactly that thundering-herd autosync
[16:26] <cpaelzer__> doko: made me aware that several things were failing
[16:27] <infinity> Oh, as in stuff had been fixed to work with 12, but somehow not backward compatible with 11?
[16:27] <cpaelzer__> turned out libpq-dev was already pointing to 12 and postgresql-common to 11 still - and things being auto-synced broke on that
[16:27] <infinity> Oh, or that.  I thought psql-common was supposed to own libpq-dev for that very reason.
[16:27] <infinity> Maybe I gave the design too much credit.
[16:28] <cpaelzer__> infinity: I didn't say I wanted to transition now, but the syncs that already happened and the current state in debian made going back as painful as going forward
[16:28] <infinity> It very clearly comes from psql itself.  Special.  That seems entirely wrong.
[16:28] <infinity> cpaelzer__: Yup, agreed.  I missed the puzzle piece that libpsql-dev is coming from (IMO) the wrong source package. :P
[16:29] <cpaelzer__> yeah, agreed - there should be no two packages defining what is currently "the version"
[16:29] <cpaelzer__> but for now things are as they are
[16:29] <infinity> Makes the whole "default" selection in psql-common seem sort of pointless.
[16:35] <kyrofa> Hey juliank, regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/urdfdom-headers/+bug/1817595, there doesn't seem to be anything in -proposed yet. What is the next step there?
[16:44] <juliank> kyrofa: It's in the queue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= - bug some sru people (sru vanguard) about apporivng theme
[16:47] <kyrofa> Ah yes, thank you!
[18:05] <ahasenack> hi, I need some apt pinning help. I want to have trusty-proposed main in general downgraded (400, for example), but for one package that comes from it: ubuntu-advantage-tools
[18:05] <ahasenack> it's not working: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sVB7TCvTXZ/
[18:06] <ahasenack> i.e., I don't want dist-upgrade to suddenly upgrade to anything in proposed, but for that one package
[18:08] <sarnold> ahasenack: iirc proposed is handled funny, you have to use something like apt install package=version to use proposed
[18:08] <ahasenack> hm, wait a sec, it's saying the pin prio is 400, but dist-upgrade is pulling it in
[18:10] <ahasenack> sarnold: can't do that, this is part of a dist-upgrade from precise
[18:10] <rbasak> ahasenack: define "not working" please?
[18:10] <ahasenack> I want the dist-upgrade to precise to consider just u-a-t from trusty-proposed, not the rest
[18:10] <ahasenack> rbasak: I was expecting to see a "500" pin prio next to the u-a-t package from trusty-proposed, instead I see 400
[18:10] <rbasak> Your pastebin shows 500?
[18:11] <ahasenack> no
[18:11] <ahasenack> 19.6~ubuntu14.04.2 500
[18:11] <ahasenack>         400 http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-proposed/main amd64 Packages
[18:11] <ahasenack> that's 400
[18:11] <rbasak> Ah
[18:11] <ahasenack> oh, hm, what is the 500 next to the version?
[18:11] <ahasenack> is that the actual package-specific pin?
[18:12] <ahasenack> and the 400 below for the trusty-proposed line is the overall trusty-proposed pin prio?
[18:12]  * ahasenack uses better numbers
[18:12] <ahasenack> ok, yeah
[18:13] <ahasenack> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/FFN7QKDwhh/ ok, I guess it is working
[18:15] <rbasak> I'm not sure what those two numbers mean
[18:16] <rbasak> "The APT preferences do not affect the choice of instance, only the choice of version."
[18:16] <rbasak> So it's the score by the version string that's important.
[18:16] <rbasak> I don't know what the score by the URL means
[18:17] <ahasenack> it's for the * package I guess
[18:17] <ahasenack> but yeah, I hadn't noticed the score next to the version ever before
[18:18]  * ahasenack tries another lengthy dist-upgade
[18:19] <gQuigs> can we clear our trusty-proposed except for the actively maintained bits (ua client)?  https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[18:23] <gQuigs> actually verification was done on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/gnutls26/+bug/1444656  before close of trusty...
[18:25] <gQuigs> I think the bcmwl  update should just be marked won't fix for Trusty and will proceed with doing that in a few...
[18:40] <mdeslaur> Skuggen: hi!
[18:42] <mdeslaur> Skuggen: I'm preparing a mysql 8.0.18 update for eoan, could you please sanity-check my changes before I upload it for building? There are a couple of new files, I want to make sure you agree with where I put them: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rcWrc4YDGK/
[18:49] <rbasak> mdeslaur: that looks reasonable to me
[18:49] <mdeslaur> thanks rbasak!
[18:49] <rbasak> mdeslaur: though I would like you to use QUILT_REFRESH_ARGS="-p ab --no-timestamps --no-index" please
[18:49] <rbasak> Saves extra noise in diffs
[18:50] <rbasak> mdeslaur: I'm assuming it passes dep8?
[18:50] <mdeslaur> rbasak: ah, thanks for the quilt config, I'll do that
[18:51] <mdeslaur> rbasak: haven't tested that yet
[18:52] <Skuggen> mdeslaur: Hi!
[18:53] <mdeslaur> Skuggen: hi there!
[18:53] <Skuggen> One thing: We support with_protobuf=system (as opposed to using the bundle-built ones), but we should probably test it out more to be sure, and we can make that change later
[18:53] <Skuggen> I think the protobuf version we build upstream is the same as the one in eoan
[18:53] <rbasak> Ah, so maybe we want that in Focal?
[18:53] <mdeslaur> Skuggen: sounds like a change for focal
[18:54] <mdeslaur> and only as long as he protobuf version won't change with point releases
[18:55] <mdeslaur> Skuggen: also, not sure if you care or not, but I had to disable the complete test suite on s390x on bionic with 5.7.28 as it was hanging: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/10686865/+listing-archive-extra
[18:56] <Skuggen> Yeah, I _think_ we'll change to use system protobuf for ubuntu in upstream packages as well, so should stay stable going forward.
[18:57] <Skuggen> About the ppc64el patch, you're sure it's not needed any more? I haven't really followed up on it, just see that our bug isn't closed
[18:57] <mdeslaur> Skuggen: most of the patch was already applied...a few parts weren't, but the package built and the test suite ran fine
[18:58] <Skuggen> Hm, maybe we have a duplicate bug for this I'm not aware of. I'll look into it and maybe get it closed, thanks :)
[18:58] <Skuggen> About s390x, do you know if there's any particular thing that hangs?
[18:59] <mdeslaur> unfortunately, I haven't had time to investigate further...
[18:59] <Skuggen> I think we only enforce the test results for amd64 and i386 for 5.7 builds
[18:59]  * mdeslaur orders s390x off of amazon
[18:59] <Skuggen> Hehe, yeah I don't really have anything except i386, amd64 and arm64 available :)
[19:00] <mdeslaur> and it runs fine with xenial and disco...
[19:01] <mdeslaur> I'm still awaiting autopkgtest results to make sure nothing regressed other than the test suite
[19:01] <Skuggen> Could it be related to the openssl change?
[19:01] <Skuggen> Though if it works on older releases maybe it's a change in a dependency that causes it
[19:02] <mdeslaur> I thought that may be the case, but I rebuilt the old one with openssl enabled, and it worked
[19:03] <mdeslaur> Skuggen: I'll figure out how to access an s390x builder box when I get a minute and if I figure it out, I'll let you know
[19:03] <Skuggen> Thanks!
[19:05] <mdeslaur> Skuggen: another question: with 8.0, when --skip-grant-tables is used, mysql 8.0 won't bind to a network port...is there any way to override that?
[19:06] <mdeslaur> "If the server is started with the --skip-grant-tables option to disable authentication checks, the server enables skip_networking to prevent remote connections. "
[19:06] <mdeslaur> this is causing php7.3 to FTBFS
[19:07] <Skuggen> Yeah, I saw. You could try --skip-networking=off, but I also mentioned it to rbasak that it didn't seem like skip-grant-tables was actually needed there
[19:07] <Skuggen> Since --initialize-insecure was used, the root user should be passwordless
[19:07] <mdeslaur> Skuggen: I tried --skip-networking=off and it didn't work
[19:08] <mdeslaur> oh hrm, interesting
[19:08] <mdeslaur> ultimately, we're starting an instance of mysql for nothing...none of the mysql tests even run since we moved to php7.0...
[22:21] <RAOF> ricotz: Hm. I think I may have a rather different opinion as to what goes into a bugfix-only release than the vala developers 😕
[22:34] <ricotz> RAOF, hmm?
[22:43] <RAOF> Oh, there just seen to be rather a lot of changes which don't fix a bug.
[22:43] <RAOF> (and are not obviously in the service of fixing a bug)
[22:43] <ricotz> RAOF, could you give an example?
[22:45] <ricotz> prevent asserts and correcting bindings might be easy, but fixing memory leaks are not that obvious to see in the plain diff, so are fixing c-warnings in the generated code
[22:47] <ricotz> RAOF, e.g. "Support static methods in error-domains" doesn't sound like bug-fix, but it actually is
[22:51] <RAOF> Aha!
[22:53] <ricotz> RAOF, irony?
[22:55] <RAOF> Oh, no. Just that it makes more sense.
[22:56] <ricotz> ok, the method implementations weren't emitted at all before
[22:56] <RAOF> I still want to know what the testing plan is (in the bug, please)
[22:56] <ricotz> of course the diff has grown a lot, given the age of the bug report
[22:57] <RAOF> Unless I've missed it!
[22:57] <ricotz> it is/was in the description which included a mass-rebuild at that time
[22:57] <RAOF> And quite a lot of the diff is generated code.
[22:58] <ricotz> use the link in the last comment
[22:58] <ricotz> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/vala/compare/0.40.8...0.40.17
[22:59] <RAOF> (the mass rebuild link appears to be broken?)
[23:01] <ricotz> I already commented including this information
[23:03] <RAOF> Ah, thanks. I didn't see that.
[23:05] <ricotz> RAOF, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/vala-sru/+packages
[23:06] <RAOF> Ta
[23:08] <RAOF> Did you do any smoke testing on the resulting packages?
[23:10] <ricotz> RAOF, only a few in the past, many packages have a testsuite
[23:10] <ricotz> and a lot of the package are only generating a vapi from their gir
[23:26] <ricotz> RAOF, g2g, eod here
[23:27] <RAOF> Thanks for your clarifications!


[18:11] <ronj> Hi. After doing yesterday's upgrade, using Ctrl+Alt+L as shortcut to 'Lock screen' no longer works. Mildly reminiscent of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1242423 , is it a known issue / should I re-open the bug or create a new one? Thanks!
[20:13] <plasmasolutions> Hi guys, thanks so much for making this distro ... I love it!
[20:14] <plasmasolutions> But I got a big problem since I upgraded my hardware 3 days ago: Freezes (inkl. kernel panic) when the video thumbnailer runs over some h264 files
[20:14] <plasmasolutions> Have you got any idea how I could track down the issue?
[20:15] <plasmasolutions> It's not only in GUbuntu but also in other ubuntu flavours...didn't try mandriva yet
[20:37] <Noskcaj> plasmasolutions, What was the hardware change?
[20:39] <plasmasolutions> Noskcaj: I changed from my intel i7 860 to a new haswell i7 4770k
[20:39] <plasmasolutions> and the mobo too
[20:39] <plasmasolutions> http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty%20Z87%20Killer/
[20:40] <Noskcaj> Good motherboard, but for that drastic a change, you really need to re-install, as with any other OS
[20:40] <plasmasolutions> I'm doing animations, so I needed a board with two GPUs and many sata
[20:40] <plasmasolutions> Noskcaj: Yeah, thought the same
[20:40] <plasmasolutions> So I made a complete fresh install after this crash happened
[20:41] <plasmasolutions> and the problem persisted
[20:41] <Noskcaj> Strange.
[20:41] <plasmasolutions> Then I tried a live distro ... downloaded blender, opened a file from my seperate home dir and ... freeze
[20:41] <Noskcaj> Have you reported a bug or at least seen what the crash was?
[20:41] <plasmasolutions> In a live distro!
[20:42] <plasmasolutions> So I'm really at the end of my idea line now
[20:42] <Noskcaj> So it's either a hardware issue or some big kernal panic.
[20:42] <plasmasolutions> Noskcaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x264/+bug/1270655
[20:42] <plasmasolutions> That is my report
[20:43] <plasmasolutions> I guess: While decoding h264, the hardware decoder and the motherboard are not communicating nicely
[20:43] <plasmasolutions> therefore it's crashing
[20:44] <plasmasolutions> But as I said, that's guessed
[20:44] <Noskcaj> I don't really know what to do, but a few suggestions: Run memtest, try a live cd of 14.04 daily
[20:45] <Noskcaj> try with 1 gpu
[20:45] <plasmasolutions> Noskcaj: Did it, no issues after one day
[20:46] <plasmasolutions> Noskcaj: See, as a dev I try to be as logical as possible... but here I fail now.
[20:59] <Noskcaj> I'm pretty much out of ideas. Maybe try #ubuntu, and mention bug 1270655 , Since there's many more people there.
[21:00] <Noskcaj> !support | Or anything listed here.
[21:03] <plasmasolutions> Noskcaj: I will thanks nevertheless for your help!
[21:03] <ricotz> plasmasolutions, try #ubuntu-x since this sounds intel-driver/mesa related
[21:04] <plasmasolutions> ricotz: But it's the same with gtx 560ti
[21:04] <ricotz> plasmasolutions, using nvidia-blob then?
[21:05] <plasmasolutions> ricotz: then yeah... but atm the card is out of the tower
[21:06] <plasmasolutions> just to make sure it is not the nvidia crap
[21:06] <plasmasolutions> and I tried it with the opensource driver too
[21:06] <plasmasolutions> always the same
[21:06] <ricotz> and you purged the nvidia driver now to be sure
[21:07] <ricotz> while this might be still interfere with a bumblebee/nvidia-prime setup
[21:09] <plasmasolutions> ricotz: no, I didn't
[21:09] <ricotz> plasmasolutions, you could start trying newer mainline kernels while this looks quite bleeding edge hardware
[21:09] <plasmasolutions> but I could
[21:09] <plasmasolutions> ricotz: Tried that too.. was installing the mainline 3.13
[21:10] <plasmasolutions> nothing was looking up
[21:10] <plasmasolutions> but it still was locking up ;)
[21:10] <ricotz> mention that there
[21:11] <plasmasolutions> in the bug report?
[21:12] <ricotz> to <tjaalton>
[21:13] <plasmasolutions> ricotz: Mentioned, tjaalton as a subscriber?
[21:14] <plasmasolutions> Done
[21:15] <ricotz> plasmasolutions, make sure to mention nvidia driver version too and you should try 331.38
[21:16] <ricotz> plasmasolutions, i didnt ask you to add him, you were already talking to him
[21:18] <plasmasolutions> ricotz: ;) Yeah, sorry, I misunderstood you!
[22:27] <ronj> Hi. After doing yesterday's upgrade, using Ctrl+Alt+L as shortcut to 'Lock screen' no longer works. Looks halfway reminiscent of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1242423 , is it a known issue / should I re-open the bug or create a new one? Thx.
[22:27] <plasmasolutions> am off now ricotz, thanks for your help!
[23:07] <darkxst> ronj are you seeing " Dropping signal AcceleratorActivated of type (uuu) since the type from the expected interface is (uu)" message in the gnome-settings-daemon.log?