[00:43] <daftykins> anyone else get booted just then 0o
[00:51] <AlanBell> ali1234: I fixed it by writing a new partition table with the right sizes, basically dividing stuff by 8 \o/
[00:51] <ali1234> yeah
[00:51] <ali1234> but will it still work if you take it out of the enclosure?
[00:51] <ali1234> maybe...
[00:51] <AlanBell> dunno, it is staying in the enclosure now
[00:52] <AlanBell> I may have chopped off 7/8ths of a sector from the end of one partition
[00:53] <ali1234> well it should not matter
[00:53] <AlanBell> yeah, I think that should be fine
[00:53] <AlanBell> it was nowhere near full
[00:53] <ali1234> the filesystem should tell you immediately if the partition is the wrong size
[00:54] <ali1234> it writes stuff near the end
[00:54] <ali1234> well, depending on type i suppose
[00:54] <AlanBell> I will do an fsck on it
[00:57] <AlanBell> all good apparently
[06:50] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:18] <Myrtti> meh
[07:19] <jussi> cccc...cold
[07:20] <jussi> I just changed my home office to a bigger room, what was our bedroom. however, forgot to turn the heating up in here (we like to sleep in a cooler room), and its COLD.
[07:21] <jussi> come little heaters, warm me up :D
[07:21] <Myrtti> "awwww"
[07:21] <MooDoo> yay cold.
[07:22] <jussi> its nice to have a bigger office though :=)
[07:23] <MooDoo> I bet :) I would love an office instead of using the kitchen table lol
[07:24] <Myrtti> I would love us to have a better door bell so I could actually work in the office set up in the smallest bed room we have
[07:24] <Myrtti> if I go there now I won't hear the postie bringing Christmas presents
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: they have those "remote" doorbells, that work with RF over >100m
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> http://www.amazon.co.uk/tag/wireless%20doorbell/products
[07:34] <jussi> MooDoo: working at home you must have a proper home office imho.
[07:34] <MooDoo> jussi: agreed :)
[07:34] <jussi> and yay, date for my surgery is set.
[07:35] <jussi> finally I'll be able to not be chronically ill, and Ill be able to breathe again! (I am having my tonsils/adenoids removed)
[07:37] <MooDoo> jussi: \o.
[07:38] <MooDoo> \o/ even
[07:41] <mapps> morning
[07:41] <mapps> not so cold today
[07:42] <MooDoo> I don't mind the cold, I ride a motor bike so am quite used to it.
[07:42] <mapps> i walk everywhere:D dont have a car
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: because riding motor bikes is so cool?
[07:42] <mapps> no way id ride a motorbike..way too dangerous for my liking
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[07:42] <mapps> MartijnVdS,  you cycle?
[07:43] <mapps> :D
[07:43] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: no coz it gets me used to the cold :)
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> mapps: only bicycle ;)
[07:43] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: ah get you...doh i'm slow today! badum tish
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: joke.popey.com!
[07:43] <MooDoo> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[07:44] <mapps> do you have loads of cycle lanes in holland?
[07:44] <mapps> cyclings popular so i guess so?
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> mapps: yeah, everyone does it really
[07:46] <mapps> roads here aree too busy
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> mapps: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23587916
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> mapps: also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23611650
[07:46] <jussi> MooDoo: motorcycling has always appealed to me, but my Dad having only one leg because of it kinda put me off
[07:46] <mapps> loading :d
[07:47] <mapps> oh wow
[07:47] <MooDoo> jussi: you do need eyes in the back of your head, but I've ridden for almost 20 years so I'm ok with it
[07:47] <mapps> MartijnVdS,
[07:47] <mapps> The Netherlands and in cities like Amsterdam and The Hague up to 70% of all journeys are made by bike.
[07:47] <mapps> thats incredibly
[07:47] <mapps> 70%!!!
[07:48] <MartijnVdS> mapps: and most people don't use racing bikes, which helps with reducing speed and increasing overview
[07:49] <mapps> yea i think theyre a different type of bike to what we see here
[07:49] <mapps> nbormally we see people use mountain bikes..not the saame there?
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> mapps: no, watch those videos on the BBC links I posted, you'll see :)
[07:50] <MartijnVdS> mapps: mostly stuff like http://aldofietsen.nl/fietsen/catalogus/herenfietsen.html
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> http://aldofietsen.nl/fietsen/catalogus/herenfietsen/59/0/opa_transport_28.html < mine
[07:51] <mapps> cool front and back rack things
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> *very* useful for carrying a case of beer in front and the rest of the groceries behind you :)
[07:52] <mapps> lol
[07:59] <jussi> opa bikes :D
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> jussi: yeah, grandfather bikes. Named because the women's variant is called "omafiets", granny bike :)
[08:01] <jussi> MartijnVdS: yeah, we have Mummo pyörä here also. (given my dutch background, Im familiar with the terminology)
[08:08] <knightwise> morning everyon e
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o/
[08:12] <MooDoo> morning morning
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> only 3 more days!
[08:20] <mapps> for weekend?
[08:20] <mapps> yea
[08:20] <mapps> well
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> mapps: flying to London on Friday
[08:21] <mapps> for me only 2 more days..off from Thursday:D
[08:21] <MooDoo> I finish at 11 today, yippee
[08:21] <mapps> my work night out for xmas is thursday but i cant go as im flying to Holland friday
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Back again?
[08:21] <mapps> we are flying to each others countries same day
[08:21] <mapps> :D
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: sunday evening
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Work or pleasure?
[08:22] <mapps> jussi,  where is here?
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: going to a lunch + concert by http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbn10J_11f8
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: so pleasure :)
[08:23] <mapps> hm never evenb heard of her
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Me neither.
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice voice.
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure I like the song much though
[08:24] <mapps> where is the concert?
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> mapps: The Tabernacle
[08:24] <mapps> never heard of it:D
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> (Notting Hill)
[08:24] <mapps> ah
[08:24] <mapps> heard of there of course
[08:24] <mapps> :)
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> http://www.tabernaclew11.com/
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm more of a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM kind of bloke
[08:25] <mapps> loading
[08:25] <mapps> ah i recognise talking heads at least
[08:25] <mapps> and then im more of a ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4JEJB3IAGg
[08:25] <mapps> clearly 3 very different tastes
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - I've never heard of sven vath. Is that actually a tune?
[08:28] <mapps> yes
[08:28] <mapps> played live tho
[08:28] <mapps> wait a sec
[08:28] <mapps> sorry no sven vaeth is the dj
[08:28] <mapps> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmFlRd7EFw
[08:28] <jussi> mapps: here is Helsinki area, finland )
[08:28] <mapps> thats the song global communicator 14;31
[08:28] <mapps> love it
[08:32] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:32] <MooDoo> morning SuperMatt
[08:32] <mapps> morning
[08:33] <knightwise> hey everyone
[08:33] <knightwise> how are you guys doin today
[08:34] <SuperMatt> extremely well
[08:34] <SuperMatt> I am officially no longer over weight!
[08:34] <SuperMatt> thanks to 4 straight nights of dancing
[08:35] <popey> I'm more of a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTpUVAcvWfU kind of guy
[08:35] <MooDoo> I'm clinically obese :)
[08:35] <SuperMatt> thaaaat's not a smilie face moment
[08:35] <popey> song doesn't start till 2:19
[08:36] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: if you could see me, you'd know it's a joke, i am classed as clinically obese just coz I'm 18 stone, but I'm 6'6 so it's all rubbish!
[08:36]  * TheOpenSourcerer worries about popey
[08:36] <SuperMatt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaxGc7GKqSM
[08:36] <SuperMatt> there we are, I'm the dude on the left
[08:36] <SuperMatt> now remember I've done that routine about 10 times since friday night
[08:37] <SuperMatt> as well as other social dancing
[08:37] <diplo> Morning all
[08:38] <jussi> oh popey, you shouldnt make me laugh and despair at the same time!!!
[08:38] <jussi> reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCwBkNgPZFQ#t=232 )
[08:38] <popey> its cute isnt it?
[08:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> SuperMatt: That's pretty cool.
[08:38] <MooDoo> popey: now where is the extreame ironing video ;)
[08:39]  * SuperMatt raises an eyebrow at popey
[08:41] <SuperMatt> TheOpenSourcerer: thanks :)
[08:47] <knightwise> Whooho :) I just got root access to our new internet gateway. I now have the power over a 500 mBit connection that is used for over 5000 users
[08:47] <knightwise> unfortunately nobody in this company has an idea what that means
[08:47] <jussi> knightwise: break it!!
[08:58] <popey> *boggle* http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/man-commits-suicide-girlfriend-refuses-stop-shopping-report-article-1.1542366
[08:59] <popey> its all in the url
[09:00] <MooDoo> wow :(
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> I know how he feels sometimes ;-)
[09:02] <popey> also.. lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Ian6oV5RQ
[09:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Best thing for it proly
[09:17] <jussi> what do peoples think about this : https://sen.se/store/mother/ - creepy? useful? scary? helpful?
[09:20] <mapps> hmm
[09:21] <dogmatic69> Idea seems ok, name is a bit lame
[09:22] <popey> jussi: have you seen black mirror?
[09:22] <jussi> popey: no?
[09:24] <popey> it reminds me of an episode of that called "Entire History of You"
[09:24] <popey> also, fitbit does a lot of what that Mother does
[09:29] <Guest86827> Good morning all; happy Human Rights Day! :-D
[09:29] <MooDoo> hi james
[09:29] <Guest86827> (Can you tell who it is yet?)
[09:29] <jussi> hrm, fitbit does look interesting, but lacks the in home connectivity. Is fitbit open in anny way?
[09:29] <MooDoo> Guest86827: it's the sir james of tai
[09:29] <MooDoo> t
[09:29] <jussi> :D
[09:32] <JamesTait> Looks like I'm not the only one to have had nick problems. :-/
[09:33] <jussi> hrm, I need to buy a record cleaner. these old record are collecting lots of dust
[09:34] <JamesTait> ISTR we had a special cloth just for that purpose.  I wonder what happened to it.
[09:34] <dvrr> haiiiiiiiiiiiii
[09:36] <JamesTait> OHAI dvrr! :)
[09:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:38] <MooDoo> dvrr: what you want? ;)
[09:40] <JamesTait> bigcalm, o/
[09:41] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/ (I'm not ignoring you!)
[09:42]  * popey drools at http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=31060
[09:43] <MooDoo> JamesTait: I know
[09:44] <MooDoo> popey: how much for that though
[09:44] <popey> no idea
[09:52] <bigcalm> Who buys adult qtips? The ones in the baby section of super markets are so much cheaper. I see no difference between them, except for the price
[09:53] <popey> you call them qtips?
[09:54] <bigcalm> It's a brand name that most people know
[09:54] <bigcalm> Cotton buds on sticks
[09:57] <foobarry> so thats what qtips are
[09:57] <foobarry> i call them cotton buds
[09:57] <diplo> foobarry: +1
[09:57] <diplo> :)
[09:57]  * bigcalm shrugs
[09:57] <diplo> And bigcalm I always buy the ones in the baby section
[10:01] <foobarry> they magically appear in my bathroom cabinet
[10:02] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:02] <foobarry> i think they are delivered by drone
[10:02] <bigcalm> As I work from home, I like to go and do the shopping
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: is that what you call your wife now?
[10:02] <bigcalm> Aww

[10:04] <bigcalm> That said, I wish my wife had VTOL capabilities
[10:07] <BigRedS> oo-er
[10:08] <bigcalm> Humm. As soon as Linux Voice reached its 90K target, an extra 2.6K was raised
[10:08] <bigcalm> I guess when people know something is going to happen, they are willing to submit
[10:09] <bigcalm> While the RPi project is only 57 quid over the target. Humm
[10:09] <bigcalm> AlanBell: I think you need to do more publicity
[10:10] <MooDoo> AlanBell: get linux voice to do an article on the pi cluster for it's first issue ;)
[10:13] <AlanBell> I was going to blog some more pictures of the bits I have for the cluster
[10:13] <AlanBell> "doing more publicity" is kinda hard to do
[10:13] <bigcalm> Indeed
[10:14] <bigcalm> AlanBell: good work :)
[10:14] <MooDoo> AlanBell: you need a site dedicated to this ;)
[10:14] <AlanBell> I was hoping that OMGUbuntu would do something about it
[10:14] <AlanBell> or the raspberry pi blog
[10:15] <MooDoo> AlanBell: speak to SuperMatt he knows the omgubuntu people
[10:15] <bigcalm> AlanBell: have you asked either to talk about it?
[10:15] <AlanBell> I mentioned it to d0od and Liz upton knows what we are up to
[10:16] <AlanBell> but there is a limit to how much "write about this now!!11!" that I can do
[10:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:17] <AlanBell> I am going to do another blog article and an update on the campaign with more pictures soonish, I have the rack assembled for it now
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: cool! lego? ;)
[10:18] <jussi> AlanBell: just promise the guys from OMG that they can use a quote of you complaining about Mir, then youll have them jumping all over you :P
[10:19] <brobostigon> android 4.4 is working well on my nexus7, it is alittle different, and have noticed a few issues, but overall it works well.
[10:20] <jussi> I wish samsung would get on and update my galaxy note 2...
[10:20] <brobostigon> also a bug or two.
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: stock or cm?
[10:20] <jussi> still stuck on 4.1.2 here :/
[10:20] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: both.
[10:22] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: not lego, IKEA stuff
[10:22] <foobarry> what does a yellow marker line on the youtube timeline mean?
[10:22] <brobostigon> also, it does make me wonder, if ARt is worth trying yet.
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: that's when the ad starts
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Lego, IKEA.. it's all Scandinavian and build-it-yourself :P
[10:23] <foobarry> thanks MartijnVdS
[10:25] <foobarry> has anyone ever tried the awesome terminal app called terminology?
[10:25] <bashrc> nope
[10:25] <MooDoo> terminator is good enough for me :D
[10:26] <foobarry> can terminator show images?
[10:26] <bashrc> I use Terminator all the time
[10:27] <foobarry> i made a little video of terminology features www.youtube.com/watch?v=05QKOxIqyWY
[10:27] <foobarry> its the new awesome
[10:27] <foobarry> clickable pdfs and jpgs in the terminal window are v nice features
[10:28] <brobostigon> has any tried ART in droid 4.4 yet?
[10:29] <brobostigon> and more crucially, can i switch back to dalvik again.
[10:29] <bigcalm> Oh, there's a bug that I thought had gone away - Software updates are available so the icon has appeared in the launcher. Clicking on it does nothing though
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you can switch back, according to stuff I read on xda-developers forums
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> but haven't tried art yet
[10:29] <diplo> foobarry: I was looking at that yesterday, how many libs does it bring in ?
[10:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, thank you.
[10:30] <Myrtti> oh man, just when my meeting ended and finally had a possibility to watch the memorial and then the transmission goes flaky
[10:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool BT now saying my local exchange is forecast to support FTTC in March 2014 :-D Thanks to the EU funded superfast broadband rural upgrade programme.
[10:31] <bashrc> is there a deb for Terminology?
[10:31] <foobarry> diplo: the enlightenment ones, but not too bad, < 30 ?
[10:32] <diplo> May give it a go then, bashrc not that I found.. you have to add the etl ppa I believe unless foobarry knows otherwise
[10:32] <foobarry> hang on..
[10:32] <foobarry> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:efl/trunk
[10:32] <foobarry> sudo apt-get install e17 libelementary libethumb efreet libefreet-dev libefreet1 libfribidi-dev libelementary-dev libexif libexif-dev
[10:32] <foobarry> then compiled the terminology from source
[10:33] <foobarry> YMMV
[10:33] <diplo> it's in that ppa though from what I saw foobarry ?
[10:33] <foobarry> v0.4?
[10:33] <foobarry> 0.3 is in repo
[10:33] <foobarry> 0.4 has reflow and other features and  bug fixes
[10:34] <foobarry> can any other terminal app show images like that?
[10:34] <diplo> ah right
[10:34] <bashrc> looks like libelementary package not found
[10:34] <foobarry> ah, i copied the commands from my history, try remove that then
[10:34] <foobarry> since libelemtanry-dev is there
[10:35] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, the ART page on source.android.com confirms it.
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I've heard that OTA upgrades might break if you use ART though
[10:36] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thats another worry, yes. i shall have to do a CWM backup incase,
[10:46] <bigcalm> popey: how many tabs do you tend to keep open in Chromium?
[10:46] <popey> about 50
[10:51] <bigcalm> Ah, that's why I don't appear to have memory problems using it
[10:55] <foobarry> popey: thrust \o/
[10:56] <foobarry> definite lack of physics games in the channel4 programme about breakthrough videogames the other day
[10:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:59] <bashrc> morning
[11:00] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[11:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude
[11:11] <bigcalm> I'm horribly confused by git right now. 'git status' and 'git diff' were both showing modified files. Issuing 'git commit' returned 'nothing added to commit but untracked files present (use "git add" to track)'. Then doing 'git status' shows nothing modified for committing. 'git push' returns 'Everything up-to-date'
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: try 'git gui' and/or gitk
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: the 'git gui' can help commit weird changes, gitk shows history
[11:13] <bashrc> git log
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> or that
[11:13] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: looking at gitlab, the edits that showed up in 'git diff' also show up as already being commited
[11:13] <bigcalm> Most confusing
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> such confuse! so git!
[11:22] <foobarry> very git
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> much version!
[11:24] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/prettycoolbear/status/409807483599720448
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: so doge!
[11:27]  * MartijnVdS stops now
[11:36] <popey> https://github.com/fogleman/Craft
[11:36] <popey> nice
[11:39] <popey> also https://github.com/fogleman/Minecraft
[11:41] <foobarry> i thought they intended to make minecraft free after a certain point
[11:41] <foobarry> maybe changed their mind
[11:41] <foobarry> or did he sell the company?
[11:43] <popey> he didnt sell the company
[11:43] <popey> he never put a timescale on when he'd open source it
[11:44] <popey> "Once sales start dying and a minimum time has passed, I will release the game source code as some kind of open source."
[11:44] <DJones> I know its a clone, but the graphics in the clone look like exact replicas of the originals (looking at the photo's anyway)
[11:45] <foobarry> i think thats what i had lodged in my memory somewhere
[13:11] <Dave-Maydew> I know this is going to sound crazy, but is there anywhere I can get all of the Ubuntu UK Podcasts?
[13:14] <SuperMatt> http://uk-lo-2.static.podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/uupc///
[13:14] <popey> CRAZY!
[13:14] <SuperMatt> You could use wget to get everything from there
[13:14] <popey> better to get it from our box really
[13:14] <popey> thats a mirror, be nice not to abuse the mirror
[13:15] <SuperMatt> well I just went to podcast.ubuntu-uk.org and it redirected me
[13:15] <Dave-Maydew> Thanks popey I knew you'd say that
[13:15] <awilkins> I thought mirrors were FOR abuse
[13:15] <SuperMatt> sorry, podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/download
[13:15] <awilkins> It's main servers that you don't want to abuse
[13:15] <popey> wget --no-parent -m http://static.podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/uupc/
[13:15] <popey> do that
[13:15] <popey> (technically they're both VPSs at bitfolk, but I'd rather you beat up ours than theirs)
[13:15] <Dave-Maydew> I've got series 6 but I'd like all the others... it's for reference purposes for a friend
[13:16] <popey> SuperMatt: yeah, that redirects dynamically to a different mirror
[13:16] <SuperMatt> fair enough
[13:17] <popey> golly 2009
[13:17] <popey> has it been that long!
[13:17] <SuperMatt> sure has!
[13:17] <Dave-Maydew> It's been a few years
[13:18] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: I think I'm still a mirror - I could tar it up and stick it somewhere for you if you like?
[13:18] <SuperMatt> it's not me asking
[13:18] <SuperMatt> it's Dave-Maydew
[13:18] <BigRedS> oh
[13:18] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[13:19] <BigRedS> Either way, the newest file I've got in ~uupc is December 2012....
[13:19] <Dave-Maydew> December 4th
[13:19] <Dave-Maydew> I'm just listening to it :-)
[13:19] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:20] <Dave-Maydew> Hey SuperMatt
[13:20] <Dave-Maydew> How do you know me??
[13:20] <Dave-Maydew> where from??
[13:20] <SuperMatt> I don't
[13:20] <SuperMatt> I was saying it's you asking for access to the downloads
[13:21] <Dave-Maydew> hahaha no worries
[13:21] <Dave-Maydew> I'll be known as that Crazy UK Linux user that asked for all the episodes
[13:21] <BigRedS> popey: do you know if my uupc mirror is broken? Do you want me to fix it? :)
[13:22] <Dave-Maydew> If it's the one popey gave, it's working
[13:22] <Dave-Maydew> topping 70mb download speed too
[13:22] <popey> BigRedS: i do not know! I will take a look when I get a mo
[13:23] <popey> Whoosh!
[13:23] <popey> its all creative commons so we're fine with you redistributing it to friends and family as christmas presents
[13:23] <Dave-Maydew> I shall do don't worry
[13:24] <Dave-Maydew> My friend won't know what's hit him!!
[13:24] <Dave-Maydew> I've even bought him a Raspberry Pi!!
[13:26] <Dave-Maydew> Since splitting up from the soon to be ex-wife, I've noticed nVidia are getting better at drivers
[13:27] <popey> correlation is not causation!
[13:27] <Dave-Maydew> hahaha correct
[13:28] <Dave-Maydew> What can we look forward to in 14.04LTS popey?
[13:28] <Dave-Maydew> will it be quicker than 12.04?
[13:28] <popey> It will be better in every single way.
[13:28] <foobarry> is unity qt yet?
[13:29] <Dave-Maydew> They're leaving Mir... or is it Wayland
[13:29] <popey> unity 8 is
[13:29] <Dave-Maydew> till whenever
[13:29] <foobarry> unity 8 is in which release?
[13:30] <popey> 13.10 on phone, 14.04 on tablet, 14.10 on pc - roughly speaking
[13:30] <popey> (should be a preview on 14.04 desktop too I think)
[13:30] <Dave-Maydew> Are you still using the Nexus 4 popey?
[13:31] <popey> ya
[13:31] <Dave-Maydew> Android or Ubuntu?
[13:31] <popey> Ubuntu
[13:31] <Dave-Maydew> battery life?
[13:31] <popey> i haven't measured it
[13:31] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/gallery.php wheeee
[13:31] <Dave-Maydew> hahahaha
[13:32] <Dave-Maydew> when is it officially released?
[13:33] <diplo> Anyone recommend any window backup software ( free and easy to use ) been away from windows backups for a while now, guessing a few of you still do stuff
[13:33] <diplo> Windows*
[13:33] <Dave-Maydew> I'm running Droid 4.4.2 on my Nexus 4 at present
[13:34] <Dave-Maydew> I do like the look of Touch
[13:36] <popey> 14.04 april, 14.10 october
[13:36] <popey> 4 = april, 10 = october
[13:37] <Dave-Maydew> I guessed that from when I begun to run Ubuntu from 9.10 :-)
[13:41] <Dave-Maydew> I shall wait till 14.04LTS to try Ubuntu Touch
[13:44] <Dave-Maydew> Anyone here played around with GNURadio?
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Dave-Maydew: I've been meaning to
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Dave-Maydew: USB RTL thingy is underway from China to me
[13:46] <Dave-Maydew> You'll be pleasantly surprised! I use the FCD Pro+ and the RTL Dongle
[13:46] <foobarry> if i do ssh -L 8443:hostc:443 root@hostb to create a tunnel to hostc via hostb, how do i do that with ssh_config?
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> foobarry:     LocalForward 5901 <IP_ADDRESS>:5900
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: see man ssh_config
[13:47] <foobarry> that only has one host mentioned though?
[13:47] <Dave-Maydew> MartijnVdS are you a licensed ham?
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: there's LocalForward (-L) and RemoteForward (-R) and DynamicForward (-D)
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> Dave-Maydew: no, I'm just going to receive :)
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it's "LocalForward localip:localport remoteip:remoteport, in case you're wondering
[13:48] <Dave-Maydew> It's great! Especially with the new FunCube 1 satellite
[13:49] <foobarry>  think i need remoteforward
[13:49] <Dave-Maydew> Anyway, I'm trying to remember a question I was going to ask... but it's gone....
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: a "remote forward" means something will listen on the remote end, and it will be forwarded to the local end
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: local forward means connections made to something local will be forwarded to something on the remote end
[13:50] <foobarry> oh, i need localforward :)
[13:51] <foobarry> thanks
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> dynamicforward = socks proxy
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> = usefulz
[13:55] <popey> MartijnVdS: which USB RTL?
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.ebay.nl/itm/291010528651
[14:02] <Dave-Maydew> They receive 50MHz to 2.2GHz
[14:02] <Dave-Maydew> with either GQRX (PPA Available thanks to Alex Csete) or SDR#
[14:03] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: got it working, ta, i needed the host specified on the line above ;)
[14:07] <foobarry> what you using the usb rtl for?
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> I haven't got it yet
[14:08] <foobarry> "listning to DAB radio"
[14:08] <foobarry> or "naughtiness"
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: "yes" :)
[14:08] <foobarry> and everything in between
[14:09] <Dave-Maydew> I'm using it for ADSB 1090MHz Aircraft RADAR
[14:09] <Dave-Maydew> and other stuff
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> apparently there's some cool stuff in the FM band, DARC
[14:09] <Dave-Maydew> There is
[14:10] <Dave-Maydew> and if you get to grips with GNURadio, you can decode GSM phones
[14:10] <Dave-Maydew> and other general stuff
[14:10] <Dave-Maydew> personal projects
[14:10] <foobarry> hence cynanogen encrypting text messages?
[14:11] <foobarry> or is that to avoid corporate sniffers
[14:11] <Dave-Maydew> possible
[14:11] <Dave-Maydew> but the world is your oyster with RTL
[14:12] <Dave-Maydew> I must find out when the Wolverhampton LUG meeting is
[14:12] <foobarry> shame that iperf is not on the usb image
[14:12] <foobarry> don't have a net connectino on either server
[14:13] <foobarry> !package iperf
[14:14] <foobarry> !info iperf
[14:21] <Dave-Maydew> Now, the Podcasts I've downloaded, I'd like Rhythmbox to see them, how can I get it to?
[14:22] <Dave-Maydew> in the Podcasts section? or is that not possible?
[14:24] <popey> pass
[14:24] <Dave-Maydew> No problem
[14:26] <davmor2> Dave-Maydew: you can add the podcast download url directly into Rhythmbox and it will download the podcasts that's what the podcast bit is for
[14:27] <popey> then you could pre-stuff them into ~/Podcasts or where it puts them, maybe
[14:27] <popey> might work
[14:27] <Dave-Maydew> re-download all the episodes?
[14:28] <davmor2> Dave-Maydew: no but you can download the current one and add the rest to that folder and see if that works
[14:28] <Dave-Maydew> Just done that, not displaying them
[14:29] <davmor2> Dave-Maydew: now close rhythmbox open a terminal and do killall rhythmbox and then try opening rhythmbox again
[14:30] <Dave-Maydew> No process found
[14:32] <davmor2> Dave-Maydew: that's fine it was just to make sure it was closed
[14:32] <Dave-Maydew> ok, and still none of the new ones added
[14:32] <Dave-Maydew> shame that
[15:12] <diplo> I've got 4 video files from moon landings my dad has got, I was debating creating a dvd to play it for him.. best program atm to use ( none installed at work, so open to anything )
[15:31] <foobarry> is your dad neil armstrong?
[15:32] <diplo> hah, well he could probably tell you ALL you would ever need to know :)_
[15:32] <foobarry> i usually defer to MartijnVdS when it comes to media files
[15:36] <diplo> trying devede for now, don't want anything special
[15:37] <dwatkins> diplo: ask Scott Manley ;)
[15:37] <dwatkins> He's made lots of videos about Mun landings
[16:30] <diplo> aquarius: Just saw you enter, just to let you know you have a JS error in play in popup on badvoltage.org in the podpress.js
[16:44] <aquarius> orly?
[16:44]  * aquarius has a look
[16:44] <aquarius> hm, I don't get one?
[16:45] <diplo> I get a different one in chrome on a different machine
[16:45] <diplo> TypeError: document.getElementById(...) is null
[16:45] <aquarius> http://www.badvoltage.org/2013/12/05/1x04/ and click "Play Now", and I get no error (and things play). Chromium 30
[16:45] <diplo> http://www.badvoltage.org/#podPressPlayerSpace_2
[16:45] <diplo> Play in pop up
[16:46] <diplo> Ah specifically OGG, hadn't noticed that
[16:46] <aquarius> the popup thing for ogg is weird
[16:46] <aquarius> it uses the stupid Java Cortado plugin
[16:47] <aquarius> if you're playing the ogg and you want to stay in the browser, I'd personally hit the download link instead and then it'll play with the browser native ogg player
[16:48] <aquarius> (also, I still don't get an error, for whatever reason...)
[16:48] <diplo> FF on 13.10
[16:48] <diplo> I've listened, just thought i'd bring it to your attention :)
[18:38] <popey> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57615107-94/ubuntu-touch-os-wins-its-first-smartphone-partner/
[18:38] <popey> \o/
[19:04] <aquarius> nice. :)
[19:14] <DJones> popey: Also on OMGUbuntu http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/ubuntu-touch-signs-first-hardware-partner-will-debut-high-end-phone-2014
[19:22] <ali1234> high end you say?
[19:22] <popey> 14" screen, 2TB SSD, you know..
[19:22] <ali1234> low end now means 1GB and quad core
[19:22] <ali1234> so i assume that high end means specs similar to the edge
[20:18] <AlanBell> that comes fairly close to being an interesting announcement of something http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/ubuntu-touch-signs-first-hardware-partner-will-debut-high-end-phone-2014
[20:18] <AlanBell> just a touch ambiguous though
[20:23] <davmor2> AlanBell: it's a phone, made by people, for people, with an os to match, What's ambiguous about that :D
[20:24] <daftykins> if a printer installation guide includes a reference to "/dev/usb/lp0" would that definitely be the device for ubuntu too?
[20:25] <davmor2> daftykins: maybe, depends on the make of the printer though and whether Mac uses that format :)
[20:25] <daftykins> it's a Canon that a manual driver has had to be installed for, which was in the form of .deb's from Canon's website
[20:25] <AlanBell> davmor2: and it turns you from this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/mark-mit-phone.jpg
[20:25] <AlanBell> to this http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/12/10/20131210_Mark_Shuttleworth_LeWeb_001_610x416.jpg
[20:27] <davmor2> AlanBell: That would be Yeti Shuttleworth, Marks evil twin ;)
[20:28] <popey> hah
[20:28] <davmor2> AlanBell: That was Marks Movember Charity bit me thinks
[20:29] <AlanBell> that is more than a month of face fur
[20:29] <DJones> This is what I call a Movember insanity attempt http://www.buzzfeed.com/summeranne/movember-has-been-conquered-and-its-glorious
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: 8 years ago, he looked like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSxAoxwYyxE
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ^
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> (uploaded in 2008, but the video was shot in Montreal, late '05)
[20:31] <AlanBell> nice mullet
[20:32] <daftykins> DJones: @_@


[14:58] <adam_112> I'm trying to watch liveTV .24 with fixes. Getting the following - 2012-03-28 00:04:53.468 HDHRSH(13128D8C-0) Error: UpdateFilters called in wrong tune mode. FYI: I can record and view. Most of the time LIveTV plays for 5 sec then freezes. Then I eventually get a buffer error.
[15:01] <adam_112> also seeing this in the frontend - 2012-03-28 00:04:55.210 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1573_20120328000453.mpg) Warning: Taking too long to be allowed to read..
[15:08] <adam_112> One last thing - I'm also getting this - 2012-03-28 00:04:52.799 We have a playbackURL(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1573_20120328000452.mpg) & cardtype(DUMMY)
[15:13] <adam_112> anybody alive in here? :)
[15:14] <rhpot1991> adam_112: did you try changing the playback profile yet?
[15:16] <adam_112> Yeah.  Tried all different kinds.
[15:16] <adam_112> I think the update filters error is bogus
[15:17] <adam_112> I'm concerned about the ringbuffer error.
[15:18] <adam_112> what is this - 2012-03-27 23:45:40.423 HDHRChan(13128D8C-0), Error: dtv_multiplex data is required for tuning
[15:36] <adam_112> Does the mtyh-ubuntu install having any firewalling going on?
[15:38] <tgm4883> adam_112, it shouldn't
[15:38] <tgm4883> you could do 'sudo ufw status' to find out
[15:44] <adam_112> Okay.
[15:45] <adam_112> This is getting very frustrating.  I can run using WMC and the HDhomerun Prime works great!  I just want to do more of a frontend / backend deal.
[15:46] <adam_112> What else can I do regarding logging etc.....  Nothing in the logs really stick out.
[15:53] <rhpot1991> adam_112: have you tried scheduling a recording and watching it as it records, to see if the same issue happens
[15:53] <rhpot1991> also try watching live tv and running iotop
[15:53] <rhpot1991> see if you can spot a bottleneck in there
[16:52] <ernstp> No 0.25-channel for 12.04 precise yet?
[16:54] <ernstp> oh there is, just haven't been update since the 24:th
[18:56] <tgm4883> ?
[18:56]  * tgm4883 sees updates as of today


[08:07] <nothingspecial> elfy, are you supposed to credit the OP, if they have a launchpad account when wikifying
[08:08] <elfy> did the wiki come from a thread on forum?
[08:08] <nothingspecial> I'm thinking of DTs firewall one
[08:08] <elfy> if so - the credit to the thread is at the bottom
[08:09] <elfy> ok - the credit it at the bottom - link to forum thread
[08:09] <nothingspecial> oic, never clicked that link
[08:09] <elfy> :)
[08:09] <nothingspecial> :)
[08:09] <elfy> hover and you'll see it
[08:09] <nothingspecial> ms-daisy has changed the link in her sig to point to the wiki rather than forum thread :)


[10:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- sil2100, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3761 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now


[06:25] <Mic> need help installing a server image in ubuntu server 10.04, the server image is a tar file with 11 vmdk files and a nvram file
[06:56] <Sysi> xubuntu isn't ubuntu server (and what does "server image" mean?)
[07:05] <sagarchalise> hi, is it possible to change `space` key functionality in thunar to some custom actions ??
[07:10] <TheSheep> no !!
[07:55] <jozefk> why this message is coming over and over again? W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com natty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:14] <jozefk> is there any chance for this message to be gone after day or two for example?
[09:19] <jozefk> why this message is coming over and over again? W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com natty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:20] <Wizard_> whoa
[11:54] <cYmen> How do I stop xubuntu from displaying the contents of my home on the desktop?
[11:56] <TheSheep> cYmen: settings->desktop->icons->icon type->none\
[11:56] <TheSheep> cYmen: also, it doesn't do that
[11:57] <TheSheep> cYmen: by default it displays the contents of the directory Desktop
[12:02] <cYmen> TheSheep: I don't have that directory.
[12:02] <cYmen> TheSheep: If I set that to none all icons are gone but I like having removable media there.
[12:03] <TheSheep> did you remove your Desktop directory?
[12:03] <cYmen> Possibly... :)
[12:04] <TheSheep> well then
[12:05] <cYmen> Well, how do I get it back? :)
[12:05] <cYmen> I can create the directory but it doesn't have the desired effect. ;)
[12:08] <TheSheep> should work
[12:09] <TheSheep> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs <-- this is the spec of that feature
[12:16] <moneedhelp> hello
[12:16] <moneedhelp> sorry I am new since today with xubuntu and I need some help with my display, does anyone could help me ?
[12:17] <moneedhelp> it's 3hours I try to fix it but noway :-(
[13:24] <cYmen> TheSheep: Had to set it in .config/user_dirs.dirs but now it works fine. Thanks!
[15:13] <cYmen> I'm having some trouble with .gvfs
[15:13] <cYmen> I was getting errors which are now gone after I unmounted it
[15:13] <cYmen> but since I have no clue what it does, can anybody give me any advice?
[19:08] <sokuban> what's the correct command to load xfce to put in a .xinitrc? startxfce4 brings up a totally different theme than what logging in through gdm would
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Are you starting xubuntu session or xfce session?
[19:11] <sokuban> charlie-tca: I guess I want to start a xubuntu session then, I'm not sure if there is a difference
[19:12] <charlie-tca> they are totally different
[19:12] <charlie-tca> xubuntu session puts the xubuntu wallpaper up, xfce session puts up a wallpaper with XFCE in the center
[19:13] <charlie-tca> if you are not getting either one, perhaps you are not starting xfwm4
[19:13] <sokuban> charlie-tca: ok, basically, I want a .xinitrc because I need to put "export LC_COLLATE=C" in it, and I need to know the command I should exec; sounds like I want the xubuntu session if that's what is the default
[19:13] <sokuban> charlie-tca: and I was getting the xfce session with startxfce4
[19:14] <sokuban> charlie-tca: Now I wouldn't be surprised if you are going to tell me I shouldn't export stuff in .xinitrc, I'm just used to that from my old distro; if there is a more proper place in ubuntu do tell
[19:16] <charlie-tca> I have never used .xinitrc, myself, but if you are starting the session, you would have to start xfsettingsd, xfce4-settings-helper, xfce4-session, xfwm4, xfdesktop4, xfce4-panel
[19:16] <charlie-tca> I don't really know how to do it with .xinitrc. I use GDM or LightDM to start the sessions
[19:17] <sokuban> charlie-tca: ok, thanks; I'll try xfce4-session alone because I have a hunch that also might be it but
[19:18] <sokuban> charlie-tca: I also plan on keeping on using GDM (going to link .xinitrc to .xsession which I believe it should read)
[19:20] <sokuban> charlie-tca: hmm, that gives me the same "xfce session" as before
[19:21] <sokuban> charlie-tca: not sure if starting the rest will change anything or not, because obviously xfwm, xfdesktop, and the panel are working anyways
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I don't know then. Maybe make sure the ~/.dmrc has Session=xubuntu    in it
[19:22] <sokuban> charlie-tca: maybe it would be easier to try to export that variable with gdm somehow; I've never used gdm before so would you have any idea?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> not necessarily. Many times xfwm4 will fail to start, since Xfce is very modular, every module can run indepent of the rest
[19:23] <charlie-tca> I don't. I install using a normal installation, and let the developers set it for me
[19:23] <sokuban> charlie-tca: ok, thanks for you help
[19:35] <sokuban> charlie-tca: ok, so I put the thing in /etc/profile and forgot about the whole .xinitrc stuff and it's all fine
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Great.
[19:35] <charlie-tca> glad you found  a solution
[21:08] <jozefk> why this message is coming over and over again? W: GPG error: http://archive.canonical.com natty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:23] <feyd> im having issues deleting files to the trash on my non-OS drives
[21:36] <jozefk> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get check, autoclean, update (again) > mv sources.list.backup back to sources.list > apt-get update
[21:37] <jozefk> that worked :P
[22:12] <GridCube> :D new install of xubuntu 11.04 on my sisters computer :D
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Great!
[22:13] <GridCube> :D now to figure out how to make her printer to work
[22:14] <charlie-tca> um, install the driver?
[22:16] <GridCube> actually i need to install the propietary drivers from hp
[22:16] <charlie-tca> oh, bad times ahead...
[22:17] <GridCube> :D
[22:19] <GridCube> so this "directories menu" panel element, can it be forced to work properly? i mean to clic on a folder and open it instead of the complex >mouse over, show everysinglefileofthefolder >open folder?
[22:35] <GridCube> first reboot, wish me luck :D
[22:38] <GridCube> :D
[22:39] <GridCube> mmmm ubuntu doesn't come whit rar management :/
[22:39] <Sysi> install unrar
[22:40] <GridCube> installing xarchiver whit its complements
[22:40] <GridCube> i've found out that xarchiver does a better job on big rar files
[22:41] <Sysi> xarchiver is just a frontend for using extracktion apps
[22:43] <GridCube> then why does it work where file roller doesnt?
[22:44] <charlie-tca> GridCube: you can change that to Thunar %F
[22:44] <charlie-tca> it will then open thunar instead of giving that long list
[22:46] <GridCube> yes i just created a thunar launcher, it is sad that i can not have a "places" list so i could open ... oooo i can make one :D creating a launcher box whit several thunar launcher binded to each folder i would like to open
[22:47]  * GridCube pats himself in the back
[22:47] <GridCube> the software center is loading and loading and loading but never actually loads
[22:50] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/157402
[22:50] <GridCube> :(
[22:51] <Sysi> synaptic's better anyway :P start from terminal and see if it says something
[22:52] <GridCube> the thing is that im not the one who will be using this computer, i want it to work purrfectly
[22:54] <GridCube> nope, starting it from a terminal says nothing
[22:59] <GridCube> can i safely uninstall ristreto? or i need it for something thunar does?
[23:00] <TheSheep> you can uninstall it
[23:00] <TheSheep> it's the first thing I always do
[23:04] <GridCube> :D great
[23:21] <raevol> anyone else noticing thunar taking a long time to launch the first time it's run after boot?
[23:23] <Sysi> "feature"
[23:24] <GridCube> yes
[23:24] <GridCube> "feature"
[23:58] <charlie-tca> software center is broken, isn't it?


[11:43] <lotuspsychje> is there a reason why linux-firmware packages doesnt get installed by default (offline)?
[17:16] <infinity> pitti: glibc upload for you, should be a good test of the current state of autopkgtest. :P
[21:10] <infinity> pitti: Is the world backed up horribly?
[21:11] <infinity> pitti: Looking for ghostscript to migrate, and none of its triggered tests seem to have run.
[21:11] <infinity> pitti: s/none/very few/


[00:56] <TJ_on_Wily> Not impressed with systemd - it replace cryptsetup scripts but refuses to use the crypttab keyscript= parameter - meaning any volume requiring unlocking via  script and usually some key-file device, is now broken
[01:45] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[01:45] <daftykins> \o
[01:45] <daftykins> you had me check the clock then
[01:45] <daftykins> "surely it's not that bad!"
[01:45] <lotuspsychje> :p
[01:46] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: im very early thats why
[01:46] <TJ_on_Wily> Yikes! it's late
[01:46] <lotuspsychje> 3h46 here
[01:46] <daftykins> :)
[01:46] <daftykins> TJ_on_Wily: i hope you fed the dogs!
[01:46] <daftykins> else they'll be the ones getting Wily ;)
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:47]  * lotuspsychje hides the meat
[01:49]  * TJ_on_Wily rolls eyes
[01:50] <TJ_on_Wily> I wonder who actually came up with the release codename that didn't know it is spelt "Wiley"
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> !wily
[01:52] <lotuspsychje> i hope they choose more wisely on LTS
[01:52] <lotuspsychje> a more stable codename :p
[01:52] <TJ_on_Wily> Let's hope  16.04 LTS is a improved over all the regressions in 15.10
[01:52] <daftykins> X will be quite funky indeed
[01:57] <TJ_on_Wily> I'm quite annoyed right now; systemd-cryptsetup broke keyscripts since 2011, someone eventually proposed patches to fix it, Poettering refused them and wants a massive generic framework building.
[01:58] <TJ_on_Wily> We need a rule, enforced by firing squad, that if you replace existing functionality with something new, to be accepted into a distro it *must* implement all existing functionality first
[01:59] <TJ_on_Wily> I've hit similar serious regressions in Bluetooth Bluez 5.3 ... it can't pair devices using PIN codes, it can't do headset profiles (functionality ripped out that was in Bluez 4.x)
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> !info bluez willy
[02:00] <lotuspsychje> !info bluez
[02:00] <TJ_on_Wily> LOL
[02:00] <TJ_on_Wily> !info bluez wily
[02:00] <TJ_on_Wily> That's wrong!
[02:00] <TJ_on_Wily> apt-cache policy bluez ==> bluez:  Installed: 5.33-0ubuntu4
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> weird
[02:01] <TJ_on_Wily> the bot's mostly useless these days
[02:01] <OerHeks> werewolf
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: morning :p
[02:01] <OerHeks> 4 am
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> or still awake?
[02:02] <OerHeks> 3 dogs on the couch with one eye open
[02:02] <lotuspsychje> :p
[02:04] <lotuspsychje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#A16.04
[02:10] <lotuspsychje> just tested out pypar2 and nice lil tool :p
[02:10] <lotuspsychje> !info pypar2
[02:33] <TJ_on_Wily> Do you ever wonder how it is so many clients join #ubuntu but only about 1% speak?
[02:34] <daftykins> yeah :S
[02:34] <daftykins> champion idlers
[02:35] <pauljw> judging by what that 1% say, it's best that the rest keep quiet...
[02:36] <pauljw> myself, i learn alot by listening
[02:41] <daftykins> yeah i picked up a fair chunk, hell i don't even use desktop ubuntu and yet solve peoples graphics issues
[02:41] <TJ_on_Wily> But do those silent clients actually have users looking at the channel?
[02:42] <daftykins> maybe they're all Microsoft employees ;)
[02:42] <pauljw> that's a good question TJ_on_Wily
[02:42] <pauljw> :)
[02:43] <pauljw> i admire you guys, you do a great job and have waaaay more patience than i do
[02:48] <TJ_on_Wily> hope Ops are watching<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[05:50] <daftykins> o/
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> TJ_on_Wily: good day sir
[12:53] <TJ_on_Wily> g'afternoon
[13:01] <lotuspsychje_> grrr hexchat lags
[13:04] <lotuspsychje_> !nvidia
[13:04] <lotuspsychje_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[13:04] <lotuspsychje_> !binary
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/lxle-14-04-3-linux-distro-is-now-based-on-lubuntu-14-04-3-lts-screenshot-tour-490492.shtml
[19:39]  * daftykins climbs off Bashing-om's toes
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> so far for the serious quality ubuntu discussions...
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> daftykins joined tha house :p
[19:39]  * OerHeks bites daftykins bicycle tyres
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> haha
[19:40] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Don;t hurt a bit for you to stand on my toes, sometimes I need all the help I can get .
[19:40] <daftykins> :) nah you're doing just fine!
[19:40] <daftykins> OerHeks: hey i need those for my trip this coming weekend :D
[19:41] <daftykins> you lot will have to put up with me being gone for a week or so :P
[19:41] <OerHeks> Yes, we all are going offline because of you.
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> boycot irc!
[19:42] <daftykins> lol
[19:42] <OerHeks> even when Ubuntu wants to pay us per Q, we won't ..
[19:42] <daftykins> i think if we did i'd be deducted every time i'm grumpy and so earn nothing ;)
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> if you have nothing, you cant loose nothing
[19:43] <OerHeks> maybe, or it is JanC's fault.
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> lets blame it all on him
[19:43] <daftykins> sounds like a plan
[19:43] <daftykins> last one in, first out ;)
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:44] <OerHeks> then wileee, then Bashing-om ... then you, lotuspsychje ;-D
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> you cant beat me with a stick im staying!
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: you scared JanC_ away
[19:47] <daftykins> d'aww
[19:47] <daftykins> or perhaps the hatred of a thousand help seekers vanquished him/her
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> who needs a kick :p
[19:50]  * lotuspsychje slaps JanC with a ping timeout
[19:51] <daftykins> #ubuntu-ops-bullying gets started
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:57] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Help ! As " lspci' does not tell us the Nvidia chip set ( ralph4100_ ), what other means is there to make sure of what driver should be installed ? Faster than reading th log file .
[19:58] <TJ-> "lspci -nn" gives the PCI Vendor:Product ID the driver matches to
[19:58] <daftykins> Bashing-om: oh yeah didn't spot the output didn't even know the name for it - i guess we were lucky this guy knew what he had
[19:59] <daftykins> not used to lspci being so vague, i wonder if that's a hint at being an older kernel for the card
[20:01] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I was real perturbed not to get the info I expected, and began scrambling to find an alternate . I have to assume the GEforce 750TI - sure would be nice to have confirmation. Assuming has bit me bad more than once.
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> does that 750ti not need that edgers ppa?
[20:02] <daftykins> not for a while no
[20:02] <daftykins> trusty has 346 now
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> ah cool
[20:02] <daftykins> well the 750 Ti is maxwell version 1 as well as the Titan X, so it's a similar generation
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> ive seen the nvidia binary page has improved for ubuntu
[20:02] <daftykins> i think they're both maxwell 1 anyway, definitely both maxwell
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[20:04] <daftykins> lol at the wording on there
[20:05] <daftykins> Bashing-om: mmm i never caught which ubuntu that user was on
[20:05] <lordievader> Did the Fgrlx driver under 4.x kernels break in Ubuntu land? Does anyone know?
[20:06] <daftykins> hrmm does anything even use a 4.x yet? or is that just with mainlines?
[20:07] <lordievader> For background: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548118
[20:07] <lordievader> There seems to be some licensing issue.
[20:07] <lordievader> Wily uses 4.1.
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[20:08] <daftykins> i'm sure they'll sort themselves out after release
[20:08] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: o/
[20:08] <daftykins> aww lotus is out of date! trusty .2 :)
[20:09] <TJ-> Bashing-om, Is that for ralph4100's device (10de:17c2) ?
[20:09] <TJ-> Usually the pciids file will tell you, as in: grep "[[:space:]]17c2" /usr/share/misc/pci.ids [20:10] <daftykins> mmm, GM confirms M for Maxwell
[20:10] <daftykins> whilst you'd get GK for the prior generation, Kepler
[20:11] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Afirmed. And yeah I do have to learn to read the PCI id .. Researchimg now from your advise.
[20:13] <daftykins> hmm handy file that one indeed!
[20:20] <TJ-> That's what lspci uses
[20:20] <daftykins> oic
[20:20] <TJ-> You can update even older systems with the latest entries with "sudo update-pciids"
[20:21] <daftykins> so since that users pastebin didn't show it, it must've been an outdated file
[20:21] <daftykins> ah neat :D
[20:21] <TJ-> Yes, older kernel/pciutils releases and newer hardware need that updating (its just a download)
[20:22] <daftykins> this capitanooo is a handful already
[20:22] <guntbert> daftykins: +1
[20:25] <Bashing-om> TJ-: daftykins  !! As I live and learn . seems that Ralph's card would be real happy with 355 version driver . - http://www.geforce.com/drivers . To match the GPU/driver .
[20:26] <daftykins> Bashing-om: yep, 346 should be ok too? hmm actually the Titan X is the second one isn't it, must be Maxwell 2
[20:26] <daftykins> Titan, Titan X, think there's a Titan Z too
[20:27] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Yeah the 346 "should" work . Nvidia do suggest the 355 version .
[20:27] <daftykins> mmm just usual 'stick to the latest' though i guess
[20:27] <daftykins> well, that guy never came back :D
[20:28] <Bashing-om> daftykins: When YOU are good he is good .
[20:29] <daftykins> go team!
[20:30] <Bashing-om> daftykins: "The latest" I often think of as "testing" see if it works or breaks !
[20:31] <daftykins> indeed :)
[20:31] <daftykins> dear customer, please test this for us
[20:34] <Bashing-om> exactly :) . Back in the day I used customers many times to troubleshoot a networking issue . Made my job so much easier, and they may not even know the difference.
[20:58] <daftykins> TJ-: 8 and 10 (Windows) can grab everything required from windows update now, so a default install is impressively functional out of the box :)
[20:59] <TJ-> Yes, but those drivers still have to be provided by the chipset manufacturers, they aren't written by Microsoft - MS are just distributing the WHQL apprpved drivers to make finding them easier/safer now
[21:00] <TJ-> The Ms drivers are generic ones for things like AHCI, USB functions and the common x86 hardware. MS don't write wifi chipset drivers for example
[21:00] <daftykins> yip, but it does mean the old model of needing to find and install everything isn't accurate
[21:01] <TJ-> It is. Try installing Windows offline from a DVD and getting the drivers installed without networking ... if the networking drivers are needed to make the connection you're screwed
[21:01] <daftykins> it's not far off how ubuntu is for most folk :)
[21:02] <daftykins> but given the hardware support in the newer releases is better, it's less likely you'll have non working connectivity out of the box
[21:12] <TJ-> Yeah, caused by companies like Broadcom not allowing redistribution of their firmware.
[21:24] <daftykins> what's Realtek's excuse? same deal?
[21:28] <TJ-> Realtek are like Broadcom but in another respect; they refuse to provide the technical documentation required to write a comprehensive driver for many chipsets, meaning what we do get is re-implemented from their out-of-tree driver releases, and by reverse-engineering the Windows drivers
[21:29] <daftykins> ah so they're distributed but just work really badly
[21:29] <TJ-> I've always thought it seems like these companies really don't want to sell anything. Take the RasPi example with Broadcom. Originally they kept the bootloader code proprietary since its in the GPU code, but after the RasPi did so well they finally relented and opened up the code for that, even though the chipset is a really old one anyhow
[21:29] <TJ-> I usually picture the realtek drivers as written by press-ganged goblins in caves given about a week per driver :)
[21:30] <daftykins> XD
[21:39]  * TJ- wonders if EriC^^ brought him a much-needed coffee :)
[21:40]  * EriC^^ gives TJ- a coffee
[21:40]  * TJ- slurps noisily
[21:40] <EriC^^> :)
[21:43] <daftykins> ooh that's a good plan
[21:44] <daftykins> i may go throw one on, but that might burn so i'll prepare it instead


[05:22] <mborzecki> morning
[05:30] <mup> PR snapd#7193 opened: [WIP] cgroupsv2 spread run <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7193>
[06:08] <mup> PR snapd#7194 opened: packaging: use %systemd_user_* macros to enable session agent socket according to presets <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7194>
[06:19] <mborzecki> quick errand, back in 30
[06:38] <mborzecki> re
[06:38] <mborzecki> hmm 	fmt.Printf("aligninfo: %+v\n", aligninfo)
[06:38] <mborzecki>     ...open /home/maciek/work/canonical/workspace/src/github.com/snapcore/snapd/cmd/snap/cmd_services_test.go: too many open files
[06:56] <mborzecki> hmm some http.Response structs with no calls to rsp.Body.Close()
[06:59] <mup> PR snapd#7184 closed: daemon: do not modify test data in user suite <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7184>
[07:02] <mborzecki> and there's different --help output when running unit tests via go test or via a prebuilt test binary :/
[07:15] <pstolowski> morning
[07:16] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:17] <mborzecki> pstolowski: we're leaking fds in unit tests
[07:18] <mborzecki> pstolowski: and a lot
[07:18] <mborzecki> pstolowski: ./snap.test -check.f TestSession -test.count=99999 is leaking ~50fds/s on my machine
[07:18] <mborzecki> pstolowski: as in go test github.com/snapcore/snapd/cmd/snap
[07:26] <pstolowski> mborzecki: oh /o\, nice discovery.. TestSession appears to be a new thing?
[07:27] <mborzecki> pstolowski: fwiw, we were leaking fds before that too, just that now there appears to be more
[07:28] <Talzzz> Hi all, I'm new to Snap and have some questions and will be very happy if you could help me to answer them.
[07:30] <Talzzz> I'v also posted my question in Snapcraft community: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/azul-jre-bundled-with-my-snap/12524
[07:35] <Talzzz> Basically, as I understood it. Snap works similar to AppImage, it should come with all the dependencies bundled in the snap.
[07:37] <Talzzz> So, when I create a snap package for a Java app I want the jre bundled in the snap and use java from there and not the one installed(if installed) in the system.
[07:37] <Talzzz> Am I right?
[07:42] <pstolowski> Talzzz: yes. this is relevant to your question: https://snapcraft.io/docs/java-applications
[07:43] <pstolowski> Talzzz: i'm not familiar with building java-based snaps at all, but it seems to me that the gradle plugin does the magic
[07:44] <mborzecki> pstolowski: ok, so http.Server.Shutdown() when passed a context.WithTimeout() does not work the way we think it works
[07:44] <pstolowski> mborzecki: ah
[07:45] <mborzecki> pstolowski: in SessionAgent.Stop() when passing a nil or background context, there's no fd leak
[07:47] <pstolowski> mborzecki: so, we're leaking fds for real, not just in tests?
[07:53] <mborzecki> pstolowski: in real world, shutdown is in the exit path, so the process will be wrapped up anyway
[07:53] <pstolowski> mborzecki: good
[08:02] <mborzecki> quick errand, back in 20
[08:23] <mup> PR snapd#7195 opened: cmd/snap, usersession/agent: close http.Response body in tests <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7195>
[08:23] <mborzecki> pstolowski: ^^
[08:24] <pstolowski> mborzecki: ty! +1
[08:26] <mborzecki> haha, and need to fix it :P
[08:28] <mborzecki> pstolowski: force pushed
[08:34] <pstolowski> mborzecki: hmm. i didn't spot the difference, perhaps i was looking at the new code already?
[08:35] <mborzecki> pstolowski: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/compare/88aba0a637d35b96a419f1f1f1018d411b8d9b9e..e6e95530470b25a7dc6fa3a336f541aa8901f0f8
[08:35] <pstolowski> mborzecki: ah, this, very subtle ;)
[08:47] <mborzecki> pstolowski: and the unit test job stalled
[08:47] <mborzecki> more fixes clearly needed
[08:50] <pstolowski> mborzecki: uhm... this is annoying. i'll look at reproducing this too
[08:50] <mborzecki> pstolowski: try passing -timeout 5m to go test
[08:59] <mborzecki> pstolowski: wondering wehether we should even use a graceful shutdown in user session
[09:04] <Chipaca> mborzecki: is -timeout for one test, or for all of them?
[09:04] <Chipaca> 'if a test binary runs for more than <timeout>'
[09:05] <Chipaca> it isn't clear if 'go test ./...' counts as one binary or multiple
[09:05] <Chipaca> :)
[09:05] <Chipaca> i can test
[09:05] <mborzecki> Chipaca: yeah, i think it's per package
[09:05] <mborzecki> Chipaca: go test builds a *.test binary for each package
[09:05] <Chipaca> yeah, if your change works, i guess it is :)
[09:05] <Chipaca> also we can drop the silly 'go list | grep -v vendor' i think?
[09:05] <mborzecki> Chipaca: well, it did get stuck on travis :/ so
[09:05]  * Chipaca checks with 1.9
[09:06] <Chipaca> actually that's >= 1.10 so it should just work with ./... directly
[09:06] <Chipaca> hmm
[09:07] <Chipaca> mborzecki: interestingly, why didn't you set -timeout for the 'short' run?
[09:07] <Chipaca> surely that'd be the interesting one, to catch things fast
[09:09] <mborzecki> Chipaca: missed that, force pushed now
[09:09] <mborzecki> omg, and we actually run --unit-short on travis /o/
[09:09] <Chipaca> :)
[09:11] <Chipaca> yeah the 'go list | grep' trick is no longer needed with 1.9 either
[09:11] <Chipaca> just tested :)
[09:14] <Chipaca> but that's for another time probably
[09:30] <mborzecki> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T5w4r43FSt/ locally with -timeout
[09:32] <Chipaca> mborzecki: do you have the arch with 5.2 to hand?
[09:32] <Chipaca> mborzecki: need to know the version of util-linux
[09:33] <mborzecki> Chipaca: 2.34
[09:33] <Chipaca> mborzecki: and systemd?
[09:33] <mborzecki> Chipaca: 242
[09:33] <Chipaca> ok
[09:33] <Chipaca> thanks
[09:38] <Chipaca> things move forward on the 'zany loop zaniness' front
[09:49] <mborzecki> heh, so travis unit tests job is passing each time i restart it now
[09:49] <Chipaca> sounds terrible
[09:57] <mup> PR snapd#7196 opened: packaging: use passthrough for type:snapd <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7196>
[09:59] <mborzecki> Chipaca: something fishy, osutil.RunWithContext() spawns a goroutine to call Process.Kill() when the context times out, just got a failure where there several terminal pages of runnable goroutines in that code
[10:00] <Chipaca> mborzecki: is this with an insane -count ?
[10:00] <Chipaca> maybe it's leaking goroutines?
[10:00] <Chipaca> anyway RunWithContext should go
[10:00] <Chipaca> (we've got contexts now)
[10:01] <mborzecki> Chipaca: runnig in this way: 	waitDone := make(chan struct{})
[10:01] <mborzecki> duh, wrong paste
[10:01] <mborzecki> hile true; do echo "---------------------- $(date)"; GOMAXPROCS=1 GOTRACEBACK=all go test -count=1 -timeout 5m $(go list ./... |grep -v vendor |grep -v snap-seccomp) || break ; done
[10:01] <mborzecki> at top of the tree
[10:01] <mborzecki> Chipaca: just running to go test -count=insane inside osutil doesn't trigger it
[10:01] <Chipaca> mborzecki: phew
[10:02] <Chipaca> mborzecki: IIRC the goroutine sticks around until timeout
[10:02] <Chipaca> mborzecki: which should be fine normally
[10:02] <mborzecki> Chipaca: hm, but waitDone is closed earlier than that
[10:02] <Chipaca> but, anyway, seriously stdlib now has exec.COmmandContext which replaces this
[10:02] <Chipaca> anyway let me see
[10:02] <mborzecki> Chipaca: is that in 1.9 too?
[10:03] <Chipaca> mborzecki: 1.7+
[10:03] <Chipaca> mborzecki: look at the right of https://golang.org/pkg/os/exec/#CommandContext
[10:04] <Chipaca> mborzecki: with enough contention (e.g. in tests?) i could see some piling up here while it sorts things out
[10:04] <Chipaca> mborzecki: ctx.Done() has a synchronizing mechanism which will be slow enough to appear
[10:04] <Chipaca> mborzecki: unless you're telling me it died _because_ of the number of goroutines i wouldn't be alarmed
[10:06] <mborzecki> Chipaca: heh, couldn't scroll back that far
[10:06] <Chipaca> mborzecki: the unit tests for osutil alone fire off 76 of those fwiw
[10:07] <Chipaca> no, 41, sorry
[10:07]  * Chipaca is very good at counting
[10:07] <mborzecki> Chipaca: omg https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/jobs/565388637 no backtrace in the log /o\
[10:07] <Chipaca> and now i count 74
[10:08] <Chipaca> mborzecki: ?
[10:08] <Chipaca> mborzecki: line 1213?
[10:08] <mborzecki> Chipaca: w8, there's one, maybe i opend the log page too early
[10:08]  * Chipaca w8s, m8
[10:08] <diddledan> 2l8
[10:09]  * Chipaca hugs diddledan
[10:09] <diddledan> \o/
[10:09] <mborzecki> goroutine 2440 [IO wait, 4 minutes]: heh, stuck in godbus read?
[10:09] <diddledan> godbus!
[10:09] <diddledan> public transport for heaven?
[10:10] <mborzecki> go go dbus :)

[10:12] <cjwatson> via "go dbus go" I now have a "doo-doo-doo-doo-doo inspector dbus" earworm.  hope you're all happy
[10:13] <Chipaca> cjwatson: snapd snap, doo doo doo doo doo doo
[10:13] <mborzecki> Chipaca: fwiw, i don't see the goroutine that's supposed to send SIGUSR1 to the process, so it probably happened and it exited, but signal was not received?
[10:13] <Chipaca> cjwatson: snapd snap, doo doo doo doo doo doo
[10:14] <Chipaca> cjwatson: snapd snap!
[10:14] <Chipaca> hopefully that got rid of the ear bug
[10:15] <diddledan> cjwatson: https://youtu.be/zuq55zgXxHU
[10:15] <Chipaca> diddledan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqZsoesa55w
[10:16] <Chipaca> mborzecki: maybe it went to the wrong process?
[10:16] <mborzecki> raising the bar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcibw-m8tRk
[10:17] <mborzecki> Chipaca: golang, process signals & goroutines sounds like a bad mix
[10:18] <Chipaca><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:18] <Chipaca> fwiw
[10:19] <Chipaca> bug understood, fix … who knows
[10:19] <Chipaca> mborzecki: why would you raise the bar, this was a fight to the bottom
[10:19] <mborzecki> hahaha
[10:20] <Chipaca> but, ok, let's raise the bar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMVjToYOjbM
[10:25] <diddledan> this loop device racing is interesting. maybe ioctl(LOOP_CTL_GET_FREE) could lock the device it returns for the PID (and child PIDs?) calling the ioctl for a short period so that the next ioctl(LOOP_CTL_GET_FREE) gets a different device because the first one is locked
[10:28] <Chipaca> continuing raising the bar, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y
[10:28] <diddledan> or maybe we need a different ioctl entirely that returns the loop number AND does what we're currently requiring a second ioctl for
[10:28] <Chipaca> psh, locks, who needs those
[10:29]  * diddledan throws away the key
[10:36]  * Chipaca proposes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11GYvfYjyV0 not as a bar-raising but as a bar-mellowing thing
[10:36]  * Chipaca just puts things on shuffle now
[10:42] <mborzecki> pstolowski: Chipaca: can you take another look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7195 i've pushed a couple fixes
[10:42] <mup> PR #7195: many: fix unit tests getting stuck <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7195>
[10:54] <Chipaca> mborzecki: extra +1 for good fortune
[10:57] <mborzecki> Chipaca: haha well https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FnBhJbYYv7/
[11:05] <mup> PR snapd#7197 opened: usersession: track connections to session agent for exit on idle and peer credential checks <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7197>
[11:08] <cachio> mborzecki, hey
[11:09] <cachio> nice forum post
[11:09] <cachio> just a clarification
[11:09] <cachio> the image is not fedora 30
[11:09] <cachio> is fedora rawhide
[11:10] <cachio> mborzecki, I created that based on our current fedora rawhide image (not useing the previous one)
[11:10] <mborzecki> cachio: thanks for catching this, can you build one on fedora 30 too? just under a different name
[11:11] <cachio> mborzecki, yes
[11:11] <mborzecki> cachio: great, thanks!
[11:13] <cachio> running process
[11:13] <cachio> mborzecki, it should be ready in less than 30 minutes
[11:15] <mup> PR snapd#7198 opened: tests: reboot the node when restoring after a test involving lxd <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7198>
[11:16] <mborzecki> zyga: ^^
[11:24] <Chipaca> cachio: good job on spread#82
[11:25] <mup> PR spread#82: Introducing tags for the test which allows to filter executions <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/spread/pull/82>
[11:25] <cachio> Chipaca, thanks!!
[11:25] <Chipaca> not a +1 yet, but, yeah, good job
[11:25] <cachio> Chipaca, :)
[11:25] <cachio> Chipaca, I did it as simple as posible
[11:25] <Chipaca> cachio: I can't stress enough how nice it is to see a new, useful feature be minimal so we can be sure it's useful before going crazy
[11:26] <Chipaca> change that first useful to 'seemingly useful' for that sentence to make sense 100%
[11:26] <cachio> Chipaca, nice!!
[11:27] <cachio> Chipaca, and it has spread tests too :)
[11:27] <Chipaca> yes :-)
[11:27] <Chipaca> cachio: as noted the implementation can be made even simpler, at the code level (conceptually it's the same)
[11:31] <cachio> Chipaca, thanks for the review, cheking it...
[11:39] <Eighth_Doctor> zyga, preset request for new snapd user socket service: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1734371
[11:39] <Eighth_Doctor> mborzecki: ^
[11:40] <mborzecki> Eighth_Doctor: nice
[11:51] <zyga> o/
[11:51] <zyga> Eighth_Doctor: thank you
[12:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#2648 opened: remote-build: include project name in build-id <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2648>
[13:02] <Chipaca> ijohnson: hiya
[13:28] <ijohnson> pstolowski: what was the issue with snapcraft 3.x and lxd/travis?
[13:36] <pstolowski> ijohnson: i forgot the exact error message, but it was something about not being able to install core from /var/tmp/core.snap
[13:37] <ijohnson> is there anyway for that test to remove the hacked core and just use the normal core snap when running snapcraft?
[13:38] <ijohnson> ah I think I found the PR, it's 7092 right?
[13:38] <ijohnson> err #7092
[13:38] <mup> PR #7092: packaging: use snapd type and snapcraft 3.x (2/4) <⛔ Blocked> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7092>
[13:41] <pstolowski> ijohnson: 7092, correct
[13:42] <pstolowski> ijohnson: the test it's not hacking the core, it's just trying to install snapcraft 3.x and build snapd snap (using lxd container as multipass doesn't work due to kvm extensions)
[13:43] <ijohnson> right I understand why you can't use multipass, but I'm wondering why there aren't assertions for that core snap when it runs
[13:43] <ijohnson> is it perhaps because a test that ran before this one installed an unasserted core snap?
[13:45] <pstolowski> ijohnson: hmm, interesting idea
[13:46] <ijohnson> the error here: error: cannot find signatures with metadata for snap "/var/tmp/core.snap" is not coming from snapcraft, it's coming from snapd inside the lxd container
[13:47] <ijohnson> snapcraft is trying to be smart and re-use the core snap from the host (which in this case is a test VM), but there aren't assertions for that core snap for some reason
[13:47] <alan_g> jdstrand_, I'm using review-tools.snap-review and getting "uncompressed snap is too large for available space (1160M > 1212M)". Is there a work-around?
[13:51] <alan_g> nm, was just disc space and a weird "1160M > 1212M" claim
[13:52] <pstolowski> ijohnson: ahhh, i see, sounds plausible
[13:53] <pstolowski> ijohnson: i'll see if refreshing to proper core will help
[13:53] <ijohnson> ack
[13:53] <pstolowski> ijohnson: thanks for the insight!
[13:59] <ijohnson> pstolowski: it looks like snapcraft will install the snap in the LXD machine with --dangerous only if the revision number starts with "x", otherwise it assumes it's able to download the .assert file as well as the .snap file from the snaps/${snap}/file snapd endpoint
[14:03] <pstolowski> ijohnson: also, i've just noticed the comment/suggestion from jamesh (thanks!)
[14:04] <ijohnson> right, yeah I think there might be a silently ignored error from snapcraft when it tries to copy the assertion file (which doesn't exist in this case) between the host and the container
[14:10] <pstolowski> i'm trying destructive-mode first, that would be much faster thank lxd for our tests, if it works
[14:20] <zyga> Hey
[14:20] <zyga> How arę tyings?
[14:24]  * cachio afk
[14:27] <zyga> Chipaca, mborzecki, pstolowski anything interesting to report?
[14:27] <Chipaca> zyga: unit tests hate us
[14:28] <Chipaca> zyga: but, nah
[14:28] <Chipaca> nothing on particular fire
[14:28] <zyga> Chipaca: is that random hang understood better now?
[14:35] <Chipaca> zyga: we think so
[14:35] <Chipaca> zyga: not entirely solved yet though
[14:35] <Chipaca> zyga: signals and threads are fun
[14:35] <zyga> Chipaca: because of more coding required or because review/landing?
[14:35] <zyga> Chipaca: indeed :)
[14:36] <Chipaca> i'm not quite sure where it's at, mborzecki is on it
[14:36] <zyga> Chipaca: any thread in the process can receive async signals, unless signalling a specific thread and unless sync signal is sent
[14:36] <zyga> mborzecki: are you around?
[14:36] <mborzecki> zyga: feel free to take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7195
[14:36] <zyga> thank, you
[14:36] <mup> PR #7195: many: fix unit tests getting stuck <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7195>
[14:36] <Chipaca> zyga: the 5.2 mount issue is understood, and there's a patch
[14:37] <Chipaca> zyga: that's also nice news
[14:37] <mborzecki> zyga: both userd and session-agent use signals to know when to stop, and both tests (run one after another, but inside the same process) send signals to self to stop userd/session-agent
[14:37] <zyga> Chipaca: excellent, that is indeed good news
[14:37] <zyga> Chipaca: on the kernel side or on systemd side?
[14:38] <Chipaca> zyga: kernel
[14:38] <zyga> upstream or other?
[14:38] <Chipaca> zyga: the 5.3 mount issue (affecting snapped lxd launching things) is https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/7/26/388
[14:38] <Chipaca> zyga: upstream
[14:39] <Chipaca> zyga: the 5.3 has a proposed patch fro al viro, which is probably as good as it gets, at https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/7/26/1441
[14:39] <Chipaca> i havn't checked to see if that's in yet,
[14:39] <Chipaca> .
[14:40] <zyga> Chipaca: thanks, that's really good news
[14:42] <zyga> mborzecki: I managed to get lucky and https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7190 is green
[14:42] <mup> PR #7190: tests: set GOTRACEBACK=1 when running tests <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7190>
[14:42] <zyga> mborzecki: it switched the timeout to 5 minutes
[14:42] <zyga> I think you did that in your branches as well
[14:42] <zyga> mborzecki: so with the signal fix, do we know why unit tests failed in that PR?
[14:43] <mborzecki> zyga: no, the test likely sends the signal to stop the agent, but the agent code continues as if there was no signal
[14:44] <zyga> mborzecki: which signal is that?
[14:44] <zyga> mborzecki: perhaps the test should fork and run in a separate process
[14:44] <zyga> mborzecki: (and bridge the gap to the parent for reporting)
[14:44] <zyga> mborzecki: or perhaps we should entirely mock that away for testing
[14:45] <mborzecki> zyga: i changed  userd test to use SIGUSR1 and session-agent to use SIGUSR2, but same thing happens
[14:46] <zyga> mborzecki: are those signals used by the go runtime or by the unit testing stack?
[14:46] <mborzecki> zyga: go test has no functionality to run test as a process
[14:46] <zyga> mborzecki: and do you know how exactly is go setting up the signal handling logic?
[14:46] <mborzecki> zyga: options are, move session-agent and userd into separate pacakges (then they're run as separate processes), or mock away the signal bits
[14:48] <zyga> mborzecki: I'm happy with both, please use your best judgment
[14:48] <zyga> Chipaca: do you have preferences on how that should be done ^
[14:48]  * zyga needs a trivial + 1 on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7191/files
[14:48] <mup> PR #7191: tests: remove installed snap on restore <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7191>
[14:49] <Chipaca> mborzecki: zyga: I'm OK with mocking the signal setup for tests
[14:49] <zyga> Chipaca: +!
[14:49] <zyga> +1 :)
[14:49] <Chipaca> mborzecki: zyga: as long as we're sure that bit works :)
[14:50] <zyga> in case this is not working today let's please revert the code for now or disable the test
[14:50] <zyga> so that rest of master is not stuck
[14:57] <mborzecki> zyga: left a note under https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7198
[14:58] <mup> PR #7198: tests: reboot the node when restoring after a test involving lxd <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7198>
[14:58] <zyga> mborzecki: ah, that's cool
[14:58] <zyga> if that's the case +1
[15:00] <Chipaca> I need to hear back from samuele before doing more work on the refactor, so I'm going to step out now, and come back for a couple of hours after dinner
[15:01] <zyga> mborzecki: commented in the lxd branch
[15:01] <Chipaca> telegram me if you need me to come in before that :-)
[15:01] <zyga> Chipaca: if you ask me a question I can relay
[15:01] <Chipaca> zyga: i'm in communication with him
[15:01] <zyga> +1
[15:01] <Chipaca> zyga: but thank you
[15:01] <zyga> great, thanks
[15:02] <mborzecki> zyga: hmm, it failed on 16.04 only???
[15:03] <zyga> I think it failed on other systems as well
[15:03] <mborzecki> zyga: nope, 2019-07-30 12:02:48 Rebooting on jul301153-640125 (google:ubuntu-18.04-64:tests/main/lxd) as requested...
[15:07] <pstolowski> ijohnson, jamesh: it worked in destructive mode!
[15:07] <ijohnson> pstolowski: cool!
[15:29] <ijohnson> hey Chipaca any chance you could comment on my model PR with what direction I should go? from SU I recall that device-key is wrong and it should be at the bottom and use "device-key: |\nblahblahblah", but I'm not sure what you would like me to do about the others
[15:57] <diddledan> degville: I've just amended the docker and docker-support interface docs slightly. Can you check the wording is appropriate, for me, please? I edited the top-most line in each doc (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-docker-support-interface/7810 and https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-docker-interface/7787)
[15:58] <degville> diddledan: will do - thanks for making the updates.
[15:58] <diddledan> cheers :-)
[16:04] <ogra> diddledan, your indendation of the plugs is wrong
[16:04] <ogra> (in your last forum post)
[16:04] <diddledan> nuh uh
[16:05] <diddledan> for lists you can do without the indentation
[16:05] <ogra> oh ?
[16:05] <ogra> i never tried ... heh
[16:06] <diddledan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/iIgMWTmF/
[16:08] <diddledan> of course it gets confusing when you do: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4h38icL2/
[16:09] <diddledan> that's why I like to not indent the list so that an object is clearly delineated as being either incorrectly nested or a child of a list-item
[16:10] <diddledan> s/object/hash/
[16:10] <diddledan> hash/map
[16:10] <diddledan> I good words do
[16:11] <diddledan> what happened to the nice syntax highlighting/colouring on the forums?!
[16:16] <ijohnson> it went away a while ago and nobody has added it back
[16:16] <mup> PR snapd#7196 closed: packaging: use passthrough for type:snapd <Created by stolowski> <Closed by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7196>
[16:17] <ijohnson> diddledan: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/code-block-syntax-highlighting-no-longer-works/11004/3
[16:18] <diddledan> yeah, I don't get why it went away though
[17:27] <mup> PR snapd#7191 closed: tests: remove installed snap on restore <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7191>
[17:57] <mup> PR core-build#49 opened: initramfs: check keypress in run mode <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/core-build/pull/49>
[17:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#2647 closed: build providers: catch LXD socket error <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2647>
[18:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#2649 opened: Release changelog for 3.7.1 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2649>
[18:20] <jcrben> hi, coming here from suggestion at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/network-manager-broken-for-desktop-ubuntu/12512/26?u=jcrben - does anyone know how to make a PR to update text in a store description, such as https://snapcraft.io/network-manager?
[19:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#2649 closed: Release changelog for 3.7.1 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2649>
[20:30] <diddledan> is it snapped yet? https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/moving-the-linux-desktop-to-another-reality.html
[22:02] <ogra> jcrben, https://git.launchpad.net/~snappy-hwe-team/snappy-hwe-snaps/+git/network-manager/tree/ the text comes from the snapcraft.yaml ... but since you already talk to alfonso (who is the maintainer) you can probably just go on discussing changes to the text in the forum thread with him


[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:46] <crydotsnake-M> Hello.
[13:46] <crydotsnake-M> Are there already Kubuntu 20.10 ISOs for testing?.
[13:49] <blaze> 20.10? O.o
[13:55] <mparillo> But I have successfully installed daily builds for what will be 20.04. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[14:00] <BluesKaj> crydotsnake-M, 20.04 hasn't been "officially released" yet (20.04 meaning April 2020) , so let's not get ahead of ourselves since it's still under development
[16:23] <santa_> good afternoon everybody
[16:38] <RikMills> santa_: hi. turns out I won't be able to chat much about PIM today. I have to run off in a moment. If you want to make some progress perhaps put your ideas here and/or the phab notes, and I will try to catch up and comment later in the weekend?
[16:40] <santa_> RikMills: ok, no problem. right now I'm still gathering info to put it in the wiki page. I could do some experiments on my own later to test the waters
[16:42] <RikMills> yeah, sounds fine. :)
 https://phabricator.kde.org/T12170
 Disable Splash Screen in Kubuntu by Default … https://phabricator.kde.org/T12170
 the Kubuntu Devel icon is very similar to icons of other KDE groups, could we change it to this one instead? :D
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/wfkofArH/file_20182.png
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/zUpJN45F/file_20183.png
 (Photo, 473x161) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/WuXjyDL0/file_20184.jpg here is the issue I see with another KDE group, not that big of a deal but I think what I made is pretty good in general :D
[17:46] <santa_> I don't have permissions to change it but +1 to the first one you put above
[17:54] <blaze[m]> also for the matrix room
 Seems kool. I'll change it later, or someone else can
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/BMN8CouV/file_20185.mp4
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/riD19Dws/file_20186.mp4
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/53378306/file_20187.svg
[19:24] <crydotsnake-M> Okay thanks BluesKaj So there is nothing to test at the moment?.
[19:32] <santa_> RikMills: wiki page updated https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/black-operations/virtual-pim/ whenever you have time please read and let me know what you think
[19:34] <santa_> oh, also I might rework check-binpkg-names, its code is not in great shape at the moment
[19:34] <santa_> so I could start with that tomorrow or so