[07:06] <alankila> riverbird: kernel doesn't rely on swap. It's just one of the options that it benefits from when it needs to free more memory.
[07:06] <tuxd> can someone help me install a tarball.gz?
[07:06] <ved> guys network manager doesnt connect with my 3g data card
[07:06] <alankila> riverbird: ramzswap aka compcache is ram-only swap device that consists of gzip-compressed memory pages.
[07:06] <ved> anyway to fix this?
[07:07] <apocalypt> tuxd: what's the problem
[07:07] <tuxd> apocalypt: I'm not good a command line
[07:07] <amitz> what's the code name of 10.4? Decided yet?
[07:07] <ved> lucid lynx
[07:07] <ved> :D
[07:07] <Om3Ddragon> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/install-tarballs/
[07:07] <amitz> lex luthor :-p
[07:08] <alankila> riverbird: it is especially useful for low bandwidth, low memory systems that need a way to extend virtual memory. It takes a lot of time to write a memory page to disk-like device, at the order of 10 milliseconds usually. In contrast, it takes mere microseconds to compress a page and store it in RAM. So it's easily a net benefit.
[07:08] <alankila> even though the compressed pages themselves increase memory pressure.
[07:08] <amitz> it's cute. What page I should check for the latest announcement for the newest ubuntu code name?
[07:08] <intel> I need some extreme themes for ubuntu 9.04..... Someone HELP !!!
[07:08] <tuxd> apocalypt: I got to the dir  [cd dir] and did ./configure... when I try make it won't
[07:08] <amitz> s/check/subscribe to/
[07:08] <riverbird> alankila, can you run w/o ramzwap and no swap? or do you need one or the other?
[07:09] <alankila> riverbird: linux is able to cope without swap.
[07:09] <apocalypt> tuxd: did u read the README?
[07:09] <amitz> riverbird: indeed. No swap is recommended if your RAM memory is enough.
[07:09] <kinja-sheep> amitz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28operating_system%29#Releases
[07:09] <alankila> in fact, I used to run without swap before ramzswap was invented. I noticed that swapping only meant that memory hogs tended to trash the system for very long periods, like 10 minutes, before finally getting killed
[07:09] <riverbird> alankila, my misunderstanding then.  i habe 1.5 ram and 2 swp
[07:09] <tuxd> apocalypt:  it has an INSTALL file I have open
[07:10] <alankila> so I disabled swap to hasten the period when linux realizes that a process it out of control and must be killed.
[07:10] <amitz> ved: uh, you're not joking. Sorry :-)
[07:10] <riverbird> alankila, amitz what is defined as 'enough?
[07:10] <amitz> kinja-sheep: oh, I thought there is an official source?
[07:10] <alankila> riverbird: but when ramzswap arrived, I realized it's better than no swap: it does extend virtual memory and it still keeps the benefit of no disk trashing.
[07:10] <apocalypt> tuxd: u need to compile it. before ./configure , make, make install u need to install build-essentials
[07:11] <intel> is there any newer theme than mac4Lin so that it will make my ubuntu better in personality development
[07:11] <kinja-sheep> amitz: There are http://planet.ubuntu.com/ but that's more of a hybrid blog for all developers/contributors to blog in.
[07:11] <amitz> riverbird: no standard AFAIK. My rule of thumb is basically as long as I don't run out of memory.
[07:11] <alankila> riverbird: enough? enough swap? I think enough swap is generally 0k for systems which have gigabytes of physical RAM. That's my take on the issue. Swapping is the less useful the more real memory you have.
[07:11] <riverbird> amitz, 1.5gb?
 u mean theres no fix for that?
[07:12] <i_is_broke> alankila, i just thought that my swap partition is just sitting there doing nothing..but i didnt know if i could get by without it, as fast as programs are growing an using memory i just didnt want to delete it and have nothing.
[07:12] <amitz> riverbird: It really depends on your usual activity. I have 2GB and its more than enough. It seems I only use up to 1GB daily, unless I open IDE>
[07:12] <i_is_broke> alankila, but i will look into this.ty very much.
[07:12] <riverbird> alankila, how to enable ramzwap?
[07:12] <alankila> i_is_broke: yes, it is a reasonable concern. But I believe that having swap doing nothing increases the risk of runaway processes causing bad behavior.
[07:12] <amitz> ved: woah? I didn't say that. About there is no fix for that.
[07:12] <tuxd> apocalypt: when I was on the ubuntu official documentation pages, the link to 'build-essentials' said I had it installed (though I didn't do it manually myself).   I'm kind of a noob in terms of doing things from scratch.  If it's in the Synaptic, I'm all set, but I want to learn more than that.
[07:13] <alankila> riverbird: it needs change in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf, there's a line about COMPCACHE. I'd suggest a value like 50 %. Then rebuild initramfs images with "update-initrams -u -k all".
[07:13] <amitz> riverbird: I'm on debian but it should be similar enough.
[07:13] <apocalypt> tuxd: in README there u can read if u need to compile the package or if there is a bash to install this package. at first u have to upack tar.gz with "sudo tar xvfz file.tar.gz"
[07:14] <lilsnoop> can sed removed unwanted lines of text?
[07:14] <riverbird> alankila, that seems all well beyond me.  a wiki page of how-to's??
[07:14] <alankila> i_is_broke: the tighest I run is a 32-bit linux on 1 GB laptop... with eclipse, java servlet container and firefox, email, gnome, etc open it really pushes to swap, often to the tune of 100-200 MB. Despite this, it's perfectly responsive system.
[07:14] <alankila> riverbird: I do not know of such.
[07:14] <aquarius> I have a jaunty server; "sudo do-release-upgrade" says "After your package information was updated the essential package 'ubuntu-minimal' can not be found anymore." There are LP bugs about this, but they suggest it's been fixed. What can I do to diagnose?
[07:14] <petro> ciao
[07:15] <riverbird> maybe leave well enough alone ..
[07:15] <alankila> riverbird: I view my tweak more as an advanced configuration setting anyway. It's very useful to me because as a developer I keep on making mistakes with code... and those sometimes cause infinite memory usage.
[07:15] <apocalypt> tuxd: did u try to find that package in repository maybe u can install it through apt-get or aptitude from the repository
[07:15] <kinja-sheep> amitz: Perhaps http://feeds2.feedburner.com/canonical-news
[07:16] <i_is_broke> riverbird i just copied and pasted everything to leafpad..lol
[07:16] <tuxd> apocalypt: is that different from extracting?
[07:16] <amitz> kinja-sheep: hmm, that one should be updated enough. Thanks. This will be for future releases :-)
[07:16] <Om3Ddragon> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/install-tarballs/
[07:16] <pawan> hi
[07:17] <Om3Ddragon> use that link
[07:17] <i_is_broke> alankila, i think there should be a how-to on this subject as a lot of people dont know about it.
[07:17] <kinja-sheep> amitz: And it does not blog too much, which is a good thing. :o
[07:17] <riverbird> i_is_broke, did i break a rule?
[07:17] <i_is_broke> riverbird, no i was just telling you what i did..lol
[07:17] <apocalypt> tuxd: that's complete different because it doesn't use your tar.gz file.it will install a package from repository. which program u want to install?
[07:17] <alankila> some people on this channel might tell me about how ulimit can fix runaway processes, but they are sadly telling a lie. Too many applications allocate lots of virtual RAM, and ulimit can limit that. But only a few ever actually materialize all the RAM they allocate. So ulimit proved unsatisfactory to me.
[07:17] <amitz> kinja-sheep: noted. Too many messages are overwhelming :-)
[07:17] <i_is_broke> so i would have the way to change the settings.
[07:17] <Polysics> hello
[07:17] <n00p> guys I got these errors in ubuntu karmic when running apt-get upgrade: http://pastebin.org/65497
[07:18] <riverbird> i_is_broke, why? is it relevant to something else?  just curious.  not familiar w/ leafpad
[07:18] <i_is_broke> oh its like notepad
[07:18] <n00p> are they anything to worry about?
[07:18] <Polysics> do i need to remove the nvidia packages before installing the proprietary drivers?
[07:18] <pawan> pci sound card not giving sound
[07:18] <pawan> ectiva
[07:18] <n00p> and how do I go about errm, fixing the errors that took place during that upgrade?
[07:18] <riverbird> ditto then.  i did too.  lol
[07:18] <pawan> ev1938
[07:18] <Polysics> i have installed 4GB of RAM and need to use the PAE kernel, but the packaged drivers don't play nice with that
[07:18] <sri_> how to monitoring client system any application???
[07:18] <Billiard> Polysics: if you are using nvidia's installer from there site, i would uninstall first
[07:18] <tuxd> apocalypt:  wp tray 0.5.4  wallpaper changer
[07:18] <i_is_broke> riverbird, i have a computer with only 512 ram in it and i thought i would use it on it.
[07:19] <Polysics> Billiard, no, currently i have the apt nvidia drivers
[07:19] <Billiard> Polysics: but i would just use the nvidia drivers package from the package manager
[07:19] <Om3Ddragon> pawan: witch sound card you got there
[07:19] <riverbird> alankila, thx.  i am a common user with simple needs.  i'll let enough be.  thx for the session
[07:19] <amitz> sri_: you mean how to monitor what application?
[07:19] <Polysics> Billiard, apparently that does not play nice with the PAE kernel
[07:19] <pawan> ev1938
[07:19] <pawan> ectiva
[07:19] <Polysics> in fact, i am running in recovery mode right now
[07:19] <alankila> i_is_broke: I'd think that around 256 - 768 MB is the sweet spot for ramzswap. It really improves the behavior. Beyond 1 GB you don't really swap that much in practice, and with less than about 256 MB not even ramzswap can recover the system, although I would argue it still helps.
[07:19] <sri_> in Ubuntu is there any commands or application to monitoring a client???
[07:20] <Polysics> Billiard, it's also apparently due to the fact this is an upgrade from 9.04, not a clean install
[07:20] <Polysics> doesn't matter THAT much as in a week i will have a new HD and reinstall, but hey :-)
[07:20] <Billiard> Polysics: ok, well i would uninstall first, if you plan on using nvidias installer
[07:20] <Polysics> i want my 4Gb :-)
[07:20] <apocalypt> tuxd: try in terminal "sudo aptitude install wallpaper-tray" it could be what u want
[07:20] <Polysics> Billiard, ok, that's what i needed to know :-)
[07:20] <amitz> sri_: what do you mean by client? PCs in a network? What kind of monitoring you want?
[07:23] <Polysics> btw, how do i know if my system would support 64 bit Ubuntu?
[07:23] <tuxd> apocalypt:  msg from terminal says "unable to lock administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[07:23] <Polysics> and would running 64 bit have any special advantage?
[07:23] <alankila> Polysics: depends on CPU, I guess. Which CPU do you have?
[07:23] <Polysics> other than supporting more RAM
[07:24] <apocalypt> tuxd: close synaptic or the package manager u have open in the X enviroment
[07:24] <Billiard> Polysics: cat /proc/cpuinfo  yes, some things are faster in 64bit
[07:24] <Polysics> alankila, Core 2 Duo T5600 (1,83 GHz, 667 MHz FSB, 2MB L2 Cache)
[07:24] <Billiard> Polysics: that cpu is 64 bit capable
[07:24] <kinja-sheep> Polysics: Why wouldn't you take full advantage of your processors? It is useful in heavy CPU usage such as encoding DVDs, music editing, video editing, etc.
[07:25] <xpot> Help: having a problem getting screen refresh on 9.10 upgrade.  Any suggestions how to fix this?
[07:25] <alankila> Polysics: well, that is a 64-bit cpu as far as I know. I personally don't think the mythical improved performance from 64-bit code really materializes for many tasks. 64-bit executables are bigger and 64-bit pointers take double the RAM of 32-bit ones
[07:25] <alankila> depending on workload it's a win or lose.
[07:25] <Polysics> i do web development and firmware programming as a job
[07:25] <pawan> not getting sound from pci sound card
[07:25] <sri_> ya.. PCs in a network... What ports are open in their system..
[07:25] <Polysics> this laptop is not used for anything else
[07:25] <Om3Ddragon> Billiard: everything is faster in 64 bit system
[07:26] <Polysics> sri_, you are looking for "nmap"
[07:26] <pawan> ectiva ev1938
[07:26] <Polysics> will using 64 bit have some packages that don't work? i don't need much, aside from apache, php, ruby
[07:26] <Billiard> Polysics: ive found overall my system was faster using 64bit, also using more than 3.x GB in x86 mode with pae is like a hack
[07:26] <alankila> Om3Ddragon: that is, sadly, a lie.
[07:26] <xpot> Help: having a problem using vino getting screen refresh on 9.10 upgrade.  Any suggestions how to fix this? (2.6.31-17-generic #54-Ubuntu i686)
[07:26] <sri_> how to use nmap - Polysics
[07:27] <Polysics> well, i am getting my new HD later, guess i will just install 64bit 9.10 and take a look :-9
[07:27] <Om3Ddragon> Polysics: almost anything work now for 64 bit
[07:27] <alankila> Polysics: there are some media codecs that are not available for 64 bits, I guess. Mostly you run trouble with non-free software. Some free software projects have bad support for 64-bit, though, like mono doesn't do all in 64-bit the 32-bit version can do, and java used to lack behind 32-bit version as well... and firefox doesn't have jit...
[07:27] <Polysics> sri_, nmap is a monster of a program, but you can take a look at http://nmap.org/book/man.html
[07:27] <vitaminx101> is anyone having trouble with firefox taking forever to look up webpages on 9.10?
[07:27] <Seven_Six_Two> Polysics, I use 9.10 64 bit, and it runs faster for most things. I haven't had any issues so far.
[07:28] <alankila> Java has improved its act on 64 bits, though, so I can no longer say that you have a disadvantage if you need java apps on 64-bit system.
[07:28] <Polysics> alankila, all i need is mp3 support for web radios and Firefox to work
[07:28] <n00p> guys I got these errors in ubuntu karmic when running apt-get upgrade: http://pastebin.org/65497
[07:28] <Polysics> i don't even go NEAR java, for some years now
[07:28] <n00p> are they anything to worry about?
[07:28] <kinja-sheep> vitaminx101: In the terminal, "firefox -safe-mode"
[07:28] <alankila> Polysics: ok. Well, you will be hurt by slower javascript but mp3 certainly works.
[07:28] <n00p> and how do I go about errm, fixing the errors that took place during that upgrade?
[07:28] <Om3Ddragon> if you are a gamer you need to go for 64 bit
[07:28] <Polysics> never ever needed java after learning ruby :-)
[07:28] <vitaminx101> kinja-sheep: will that affect my browsing at all?
[07:28] <Polysics> Om3Ddragon, gaming is something i most certainly do not do
[07:29] <n00p> Polysics: then you never learnt Java properly.
[07:29] <su2873> hi, i have been trying to remove hidden partition from grub but everytime I run grub-update2; the hidden partition is automatically added to grub.cfg eveytime.
[07:29] <apocalypt> tuxd: u got it?
[07:29] <kinja-sheep> vitaminx101: Close the Firefox first. Run that command.  If the websites are loading fast for you, then it is one of the extensions.
[07:29] <Polysics> n00p, i respectfully disagree, i did 2 years of professional development as head of a 4 person team :-)
[07:29] <Polysics> not counting the time before :-)
[07:29] <iceroot_> Om3Ddragon: there is not one game needing more then 4gb ram or generally a 64bit cpu
[07:29] <n00p> not enough, Polysics.
[07:29] <MikeChelen> anyone know a fast document search utility like google desktop?
[07:29] <Om3Ddragon> yes there is
[07:30] <n00p> I did 3 months of C# and I can see those benefits of Java over Ruby.
[07:30] <tuxd> apocalypt: it seemed to do it's thing from terminal, but I'm not sure where to access the program now
[07:30] <kinja-sheep> MikeChelen: Gnome-Do is nice for that.
[07:30] <Polysics> n00p, a language that requires more than 1 year to learn, is a bad language
[07:30] <Om3Ddragon> actually im a pro gamer
[07:30] <iceroot_> !ot | Om3Ddragon
[07:30] <Polysics> languages are means to an end, not an end
[07:30] <riverbird> Polysics, n00p not the java debate channel.  sorry
[07:30] <Polysics> riverbird, absolutely true, sorry
[07:30] <vitaminx101> kinja-sheep: wow man worked like a charm!! thanks so much spent like 2 hours yesterday going through forums and people are having issues with it but almost every fix did not work for me. Thanks again :)
[07:30] <MikeChelen> kinja-sheep: gnome-do is good for quick app launches, does it support document indexing?
[07:30] <n00p> Polysics: C# took me less than a month to learn, Java is very similar. Ruby has a lot to learn, too. That's all I will say on the matter.
[07:30] <apocalypt> tuxd: after install the tray should be on your panel
[07:31] <kinja-sheep> MikeChelen: In the plugins, you will find.
[07:31] <aquarius> MikeChelen, try running the Tracker Search Tool
[07:31] <kinja-sheep> vitaminx101: Now you'll have to toggle on one-by-one. Let me know which extension is it!
[07:32] <tuxd> apocalypt: that's what I thought...but I see date/time, volume, network connection, and screenlet mgr... no new icons
[07:32] <Polysics> one slightly-OT thing: does Virtualbox run on 64bit? i need that
[07:32] <apocalypt> tuxd: if it doesn't work try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=803103 or that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WallpaperTray
[07:32] <Polysics> or any free virtual machine package
[07:32] <iceroot_> Polysics: yes
[07:32] <four> question: how do i unlock the default keyring permanantly?
[07:32] <kinja-sheep> Polysics: Native 64bit? I don't know but yes we have VirtualBox.
[07:33] <kinja-sheep> four: http://lifehacker.com/software/ubuntu/stop-nm+applet-from-authenticating-with-the-keyring-276986.php
[07:33] <Polysics> i hate having to install XP just for IE8, but that's the way of the web developer :-)
[07:33] <n00p> Polysics: I don't see why it wouldn't. It's available opensource, so you could compile it if it's not available as an x64 package.
[07:33] <iceroot_> Polysics: with vt-x or amd-v its running 64bit systems too
[07:33] <Seven_Six_Two> Polysics, yes, very well
[07:33] <Polysics> wow, thanks to all :-)
[07:33] <vitaminx101> kinja-sheep: hey sorry I'm really new to linux I'm not sure what you mean by extension? Do you mean firefox plugins?
[07:33] <i_is_broke> alankila, you still in here?
[07:33] <MikeChelen> kinja-sheep: ok thanks, will look for that one, any idea what the search backend is?
[07:33] <alankila> i_is_broke: yes.
[07:33] <RxDx> which do u guys think is better: Eclipse or NetBeans?
[07:33] <i_is_broke> hey can we take this to offtopic for a min?
[07:33] <Polysics> RxDx, SCiTE :-P
[07:33] <kinja-sheep> Polysics: A simple code can fix that -- if(ie8); print "Don't be cruel. Use something nice like Firefox, Opera, or others" ;)
[07:34] <iceroot_> !best | RxDx
[07:34] <n00p> anyone know why these errors occur during apt-get upgrade? http://pastebin.org/65497
[07:34] <kinja-sheep> vitaminx101: Yes, I mean the Firefox Addons.
[07:34] <iceroot_> RxDx: also its offtopic, go to #java
[07:34] <Polysics> don't start an editor debate, it's worse than a language debate :-)
[07:34] <vitaminx101> kinja-sheep: ok ill see what i can do
[07:34] <MikeChelen> aquarius: does tracker support full text search of documents? gonna give it a try, thanks
[07:34] <Polysics> kinja-sheep, and IE8 isn't even THAT bad, tbh... IE6 was FAR worse, at least stuff in IE8 sorta works ou of the box
[07:34] <n00p> Polysics: one more note, if you want a language that has very little to learn, assembly or C.
[07:35] <kinja-sheep> Polysics: People are still using IE4 and IE5! :<
[07:35] <n00p> heh, IE4...
[07:36] <Polysics> luckily i get to develop for IE8 now... i convinced my two main clients that IE6 was going out of support :-)
[07:36] <EastDallas> I remember running ie in Red Hat :(
[07:37] <iceroot_> !ot | Polysics
[07:37] <n00p> how is Internet Explorer any more on topic than Java, C# and Ruby?
[07:37] <Om3Ddragon> iE8 wow
[07:37] <dandaman> i have a pretty big problem here, i noticed my processor was always in 50% use, so i closed all my programs that i had running, it stayed at 50% so i restarted, i dont have any programs on startup and the system monitor said 50% again, now even with pidgin only open its still 50%
[07:37] <Polysics> dandaman, which CPU?
[07:37] <dandaman> my processor is usually sitting at 0-5% unless i'm doing something big
[07:37] <aquarius> MikeChelen, yep, it does support that. Applications > Accessories > Tracker Search Tool. You may need to turn on indexing if it's not already turned on (it is on by default, I believe): System > Preferences > Search and Indexing
[07:37] <iceroot_> dandaman: use top to see what app is using 50%
[07:38] <Seven_Six_Two> dandaman, what process?
[07:38] <dandaman> cpu1=9-20% hovering, cpu2=100% all the time
[07:38] <dandaman> i sorted processes by cpu
[07:38] <dandaman> only the system monitor is using 2
[07:38] <Polysics> i'm sorry for not knowgin this, but how do i kill the X server to install the NVidia package?
[07:38] <ironbee> anyone tried to install a Xerox FreeFlow on ubuntu?
[07:38] <indus> dandaman: how to
[07:38] <MikeChelen> dandaman: try top or htop in console
[07:38] <iceroot_> !enter | dandaman
[07:38] <indus> Polysics: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:38] <aquarius> dandaman, System > Administration > System Monitor should be helpful
[07:38] <Polysics> ok, back later then :-)
[07:39] <indus> k
[07:39] <Seven_Six_Two> indus, does init 2 still work?
[07:39] <dandaman> aquarius: yeah i'm looking at that
[07:39] <dandaman> nothing is listed as using that many resources
[07:39] <Seven_Six_Two> or maybe sudo init 2
[07:39] <four> how can i stop ubuntu-one from asking for a password everytime i login?
[07:39] <dandaman> i'm afraid my 2nd cpu is gonna burn out, its constantly sitting at 100%
[07:39] <indus> Seven_Six_Two: probably not
[07:39] <skitzo> didn't work buddy! :(
[07:40] <dandaman> oh lp
[07:40] <apocalypt> four: do u use ubuntu-one?
[07:40] <m0los> Is it possible to throttle one individual torrent using rtorrent?
[07:40] <dandaman> top says lp is using 100%
[07:40] <iceroot_> dandaman: again, use top and tell us the task which is using so much cpu
[07:40] <dandaman> what is lp?
[07:40] <four> apocalypt, no
[07:40] <Seven_Six_Two> da
[07:40] <four> apocalypt, not at the moment...shoudl i?
[07:40] <apocalypt> four: deinstall ubuntu-one
[07:40] <Seven_Six_Two> dandaman, printing
[07:40] <rand_> can anyone tell me where to report bugs for an lts release?
[07:40] <aquarius> four, Ubuntu One shouldn't ask for a password every time you log in -- is it starting the web browser every time?
[07:40] <indus> Seven_Six_Two: doesnt ,dont think it worked for some time
[07:40] <kinja-sheep> m0los: Sure. #rtorrent for better support.
[07:40] <dandaman> how do i make it stop :(
[07:40] <iceroot_> m0los: yes, read the manpage for that, dont know the command but using it too
[07:40] <iceroot_> dandaman: q
[07:40] <four> aquarius, no i dont believe so, should i logout and check?
[07:40] <m0los> kinja-sheep: ok ty
[07:40] <m0los> iceroot_: ty
[07:40] <indus> rand_: ubuntu-bug -p <packagename>
[07:41] <Seven_Six_Two> dandaman, sudo killall lp
[07:41] <dandaman> jut cancelled my print jobs
[07:41] <dandaman> problem solved
[07:41] <aquarius> four, ah, sorry, you said "how can i stop ubuntu-one from asking for a password everytime i login" -- how is it asking for that password?
[07:41] <Seven_Six_Two> dandaman, lol. nice
[07:41] <rand_> well its a kernel bug anyways but concernes any user with 8.04 with ext3
[07:41] <dandaman> THANKS TEAM, YOU GUYS RAWK
[07:41]  * Xeon3D brb
[07:41] <four> aquarius, a popup window, something to do with  python
[07:42] <indus> Seven_Six_Two: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InitScriptList
[07:42] <n00p> errors from sudo apt-get upgrade: http://pastebin.org/65497 anyone know anything about this>
[07:42] <aquarius> four, ah, right. Does that window have "Allow Once" and "Allow Always" buttons on it?
[07:42] <four> aquarius, no id ont think so
[07:43] <four> aquarius, no is my final answer :)
[07:43] <aquarius> four, OK...can you make this happen by logging out and logging in again, so you can tell me what the window says?
[07:44] <rand_> i got a nasty problem with the 8.04 lts and ext3 root partition
[07:44] <phix> LjL-Temp!!!!111
[07:44] <rand_> i dont know if it was reported or not but people should be warned or something
[07:44] <Seven_Six_Two> indus, that's strange. I don't think I like that behaviour. But since I don't use it, I guess I shouldn't care.
[07:44] <n00p> may I suggest a channel #ubuntu-support with a queue for anyone who requires support?
[07:45] <apocalypt> n00p: did u try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[07:45] <n00p> thanks apocalypt will try now
[07:45] <aquarius> four, hey, did you get the window asking for your password again?
[07:46] <n00p> install, apocalypt?
[07:46] <apocalypt> n00p: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:47] <n00p> hmm
[07:47] <apocalypt> n00p: nothing happens?
[07:47] <n00p> the following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libdns50 binutils-static
[07:48] <Flannel> n00p: Please don't suggest it, no.
[07:48] <n00p> nothing about python though
[07:48] <apocalypt> n00p: try apt-get update again
[07:48] <Polysics> back, driver installed, still 3GB of RAM
[07:49] <Polysics> i am running the PAE kernel, do i need to enable something else somewhere?
[07:49] <n00p> it was on upgrade, not update
[07:49] <n00p> and yeh, tried both... no errors, but no update there either
[07:49] <Flannel> Polysics: Does your BIOS/POST see all of it?
[07:49] <kr_217> i have setup openldap in ubuntu 9.04.Now i want to add password policy into it.How can do that?.It has created slapd.d folder and not slapd.conf file
[07:49] <aquarius> four, any luck getting the password window again? :)
[07:50] <Polysics> Flannel, i'll go check
[07:50] <kr_217> hello anybody
[07:50] <apocalypt> if u tried update and upgrade again without errors there shouldn't be a problem
[07:50] <n00p> ok thanks :) just wanted to make sure
[07:50] <apocalypt> n00p: np :)
[07:51] <coz_> kr_217,   I may not be able to help...and if no one else can you might want to thry  ##linux channel ...they may be able get you going :)
[07:51] <kr_217> coz_: ok
[07:52] <apocalypt> !ldap | kr_217
[07:53] <Seven_Six_Two> kr_217, ||  http://www.openldap.org/software/man.cgi?query=slapo-ppolicy&apropos=0&sektion=5&manpath=OpenLDAP+2.3-Release&format=html
[07:53] <songer> what i most to install to get a3d on my windows
[07:54] <rcscomp> Can someone tell me how to get ext4 support in grub2?  I tried "insmod ext4" from the command line in grub but get an error message indicating the file is not found.
[07:54] <kr_217> Seven_Six_Two: i am talking about /etc/ldap/slapd.d and not /etc/ldap/slapd.conf
[07:55] <Polysics> back
[07:55] <Polysics> BIOS does see 4096 MB of RAM
[07:55] <Flannel> Polysics: Which kernel are you using?
[07:55] <Flannel> Polysics: (uname -a)
[07:56] <Polysics> Linux luca-laptop 2.6.31-16-generic-pae #53-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 8 05:20:21 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:56] <aquarius> songer, A3D == 3D stereo audio technology?
[07:56] <apocalypt> rcscomp: on karmic ?
[07:56] <rcscomp> apocalypt: yes
[07:56] <Flannel> Polysics: Hmmm, well, you've got the PAE kernel alright.  I don't know what to tell you.
[07:56] <Billiard> Polysics: is there a reason you dont want to use the 64 bit kernel?
[07:56] <apocalypt> rcscomp: ext4 is the standard filesystem on karmic. it is supported
[07:56] <songer> effects just for windows like fire
[07:57] <songer> no the cube
[07:57] <Mix_User> huh..?
[07:57] <Polysics> Billiard, didn't want to reinstall as i am getting a new HD soon
[07:58] <apocalypt> songer: try to install fusion-icon and compizconfig-settings-manager
[07:58] <aquarius> songer, ah, OK. In Ubuntu Software Center, install "Advanced Desktop Effects Settings (ccsm)"
[07:58] <rcscomp> apocalypt: this is to try and get slackware dual booting.  The problem is that the slackware menu item doesn't show up in the grub menu.
[07:58] <Polysics> was just devoting some free time to see if i could get this kernel to see 4GB, but if not, i'll justsolve it with install later
[07:58] <Vincent> Does anyone have an idea http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8507786#post8507786 or in words HP 2133 still not showing wireless interface i tried ndiswrapper jockey ,....  running Windows Server with Xfce4 Xfce4-goodies interface
[07:58] <apocalypt> rcscomp: did u try update-grub2
[07:58] <kr_217> Just tell me guys how can insert ppolicy.schema in ldap for ubuntu 9.04
[07:59] <rcscomp> apocalypt: I did, with a custom entry for Slackware
[07:59] <rcscomp> apocalypt: it didn't seem to pick it up on its own
[07:59] <Mix_User> .................................................
[08:00] <rcscomp> apocalypt: both ubuntu and slackware are running LVM if that matters.
[08:00] <aquarius> songer, and then, when it's installed, run System > Preferences > CompizConfig Settings Manager to configure all the cool effects :)
[08:00] <songer> aquarius: also i would like to install 3d stereo audio technology. can i do it?
[08:01] <apocalypt> rcscomp: maybe i don't no. i've never worked with LVM. is your slackware entry under /etc/grub.d/ ?
[08:01] <aquarius> songer, I don't know very much about audio stuff, I'm afraid; my laptop only has two speakers! Do you have lots of speakers attached to your computer?
[08:01] <ShazbotMcNasty> what's the equivalent to system>preferences>sessions, in 9.04 ?
[08:01] <songer> i just want the effects for the windows like rain fireetc
[08:01] <Mix_User> ........................................
[08:02] <rcscomp> apocalypt: yes, and when I "update-grub" it gets copied correctly to the /boot/grub/grub.conf file
[08:02] <Mix_User> .................................................................................................
[08:02] <Mix_User> ....................................................................
[08:02] <Flannel> Mix_User: How can we help you?
[08:02] <FloodBot3> Mix_User: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:02] <songer> aquarius? yes i do
[08:02] <apocalypt> rcscomp: why LVM u told u were trying to make ext4 runable
[08:02] <ShazbotMcNasty> Simple question. What's the equivalent to system>preferences>sessions, in 9.04?
[08:02] <riverbird> Guest64129, do you know what chip your wifi uses?
[08:03] <Seven_Six_Two> songer, just turn those effects on then. with ccsm. and the audio depends on your sound card.
[08:03] <aquarius> songer, cool! Wish I did. Anyway, someone may be able to help more with speaker handling; I believe that the audio system ("pulseaudio") can already handle this sort of 3d sound work, but I don't know very much about it. Try right-clicking on the volume icon in the top bar and selecting Sound Preferences and see if there's anything there that's relevant.
[08:04] <apocalypt> rcscomp: maybe your settings for the slackware partition is corrupt
[08:04] <rcscomp> apocalypt: well, the ubuntu grub entries had "insmod ext2".  I knew I was using ext4 in slackware, so I changed it to "insmod ext4".  However, that command fails.  I guess, I could just change it back and try that.
[08:05] <rcscomp> apocalypt: well, I translated from the slackware lilo entries, the only thing different was the "insmod ext4".  I guess, I can try removing that and just see what happens, that might be a good first start.  brb.  Thanks for the help.
[08:05] <djyox> I'm a newb to linux, I want to install a program, AtomicParsley, I have the program on my desktop, and can run it from there, is there a way to install it so I can just type in the terminal, sudo atomicparsley and make it work?
[08:06] <djyox> Oh and if you need it, I have ubuntu 9.04
[08:06] <songer> aquarius: i already installed all the staff that i need for the effects
[08:06] <Seven_Six_Two> Guest64129, can you paste   sudo ifconfig -a    and    sudo iwconfig -a
[08:06] <riverbird> vincent, hello?
[08:06] <ntemis> hi
[08:06] <ntemis> after upgrade to 9.10 my alsa is broken
[08:06] <ntemis> how i re install alsa to fix this?
[08:07] <ntemis> currently i have no sound
[08:07] <aquarius> djyox, atomicparsley is available direct from Ubuntu in 9.10; you can install it from the command line with "sudo apt-get install atomicparsley", and then run it with "atomicparsley"
[08:07] <ntemis> my audio is realtek hd
[08:08] <Seven_Six_Two> ntemis, and had no luck changing your sound server settings or playing with all of the volume controls?
[08:08] <aquarius> djyox, if something's available directly from Ubuntu, it's always best to install it that way rather than downloading it yourself from their website; that way you get automatic updates for it, and the install process is easier :)
[08:08] <djyox> aquarius, I'm a little worrried about installing 9.10, last time we did that something didn't unstall correctly, and I had to reinstall 9.04. I'm not on a very good connection, I am deployed to afghanistan and the connection is via satillite
[08:09] <aquarius> djyox, atomicparsley is available in 9.04 as well (sorry, I forgot to ask what you're running!)
[08:09] <djyox> if I did upgrade to 9.10, is there a way I could easily get back to 9.04, with out having to reinstall?
[08:09] <ntemis> Seven_Six_Two: no
[08:09] <djyox> Oh, I didn't see it?
[08:09] <Jeje_> h
[08:09] <Jeje_> hi
[08:10] <Jeje_> can I have help please? http://tinyurl.com/ycu3msw
[08:10] <aquarius> djyox, yes -- you should be able to find it in System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager (it's an advanced program, so it's not shown in Add/Remove Programs)
[08:10] <Seven_Six_Two> !kick Jeje
[08:10] <Seven_Six_Two> !kick Jeje_
[08:11] <djyox> I thought I had looked in there for it, but maybe it was for something else...
[08:11] <djyox> let me check
[08:11] <Jeje_> what >< ?
[08:11] <aquarius> djyox, and you may need to enable "all open-source applications" rather than just "Canonical-supported applications" to see it (this is sometimes called "enabling the universe repository")
[08:12] <Seven_Six_Two> Jeje_, lol. I don't want to see your rotten toenail.
[08:12] <djyox> aquarius, where might I find that at?
[08:12] <Jeje_> Seven_Six_Two, can you imagine sucking it? =)
[08:12] <Seven_Six_Two> Jeje_, unless you're going to install Ubuntu NBR on it
[08:13] <Jeje_> on my toenail?
[08:13] <Seven_Six_Two> Jeje_, yes. otherwise it's offensively off-topic.
[08:14] <djyox> My bad, I already have it installed. (Like I said, I'm a newb) I forgot that linux is case sensitive
[08:14] <aquarius> djyox, in Add/Remove Applications, the "Show" menu should say "All available applications"
[08:14] <aquarius> djyox, ah, ok! cool; glad you got it sorted :-)
[08:14] <djyox> Thanks for your help!
[08:14] <djyox> One other quick question on setting up a file server
[08:15] <djyox> What distro would be the best for a box that is only going to be used as a file server?
[08:15] <aquarius> djyox, well, I like Ubuntu Server, myself. :)
[08:15] <Yonni_Poo> hello, can anyone suggest why I might not get Dell XPS. ubuntu's wiki "LaptopTesting" seems to have good results for the model, however I always hear such bad things about Nvidia (being closed source) - yet this laptop doesn't seem to cause anyone problems (and it uses nvidia).. can anyone help me get off the fence?
[08:16] <zcat[1]> djyox:  I would say debian or centos, but that may be offtopic here
[08:16] <zcat[1]> not that there's much difference between ubuntu server and debian
[08:17] <djyox> Well, that was my plan was ubuntu server
[08:17] <Yonni_Poo> anyone on nvidia? or laptops?
[08:17] <djyox> I do plan on using smoothwall on an old computer or maybe server box for my firewall/router
[08:17] <zcat[1]> I think debian has a longer support cycle...
[08:18] <Yonni_Poo> I usually can't even read fast enough to keep up with this channel, and its *dead* right now. what's going on ??
[08:18] <zcat[1]> only 1300 users? Did we have a DoS or something?
[08:19] <zcat[1]> or is everyone out christmas shopping?
[08:19] <goddard> I am having a problem with totem and the you tube plugin I want to watch my videos but it often gives me an error "Automount failed: mountpoint for org.gtk.vfs.mountpoint.http already running"  I also would like to be able to use playlist options any ideas?
[08:19] <Yonni_Poo> well, since i'm not getting help...:
[08:19] <chibzuit> wd0 has 488397168 sectors but if i fdisk wd0, the mbr partition created will be only 488392002 sectors and if i add the first 63 sectors that hold the mbr, the total is 488392065. altough is not verry important, where are the remaining 5103 sectors going?
[08:19] <Yonni_Poo> djyox, I suggest slackware - keep it simple.
[08:20] <chibzuit> s/wd0/sda
[08:20] <zcat[1]> lol slackware...
[08:20] <djyox> slackware for the file server?
[08:20] <Yonni_Poo> for anything.
[08:20] <Yonni_Poo> anything you don't want breaking. use slackware and you'll know *exactly* what the heck is going on *all* the time.
[08:21] <Seven_Six_Two> Yonni_Poo, I use nvidia on a laptop, and it works very well for me
[08:21] <Yonni_Poo> i mean, you can do the same with any distro really, but... slackware - just my 2 cents
[08:21] <Folly> Hey guys
[08:21] <Sacho> that makes little sense, do you mean slackware writes more logs?
[08:21] <zcat[1]> 'because that's the only way to get slackware to do anything' -- you basically have to know every little detail to get anything working
[08:22] <Yonni_Poo> Seven_Six_Two: thank you :) did you do a lot of research before getting your laptop for ubuntu? or just put ubuntu on an existing laptop?
[08:22] <djyox> I'll have to look into slackware
[08:22] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, I've got a Dell XPS (the M1330), with the Intel graphics chips, and it's excellent. The issue with nvidia is not that the drivers are a problem themselves, it's that it's much harder for the Ubuntu community to help with problems because the nVidia drivers are closed-source
[08:22] <djyox> I just plan to have my fileserver running on a headless box, set it and forget it kinda deal
[08:23] <box> 9500GT,9600GSO,8800GT,they are all ok
[08:23] <Seven_Six_Two> I have the same release on my desktop, and that has nvidia 6800gtoc, 2 monitors and svideo work just fine
[08:23] <zcat[1]> I started out on slackware a looong time ago. I recently took another look at it and it hasn't changed a bit, slackware is just as arcane and difficule as it was back in 1994
[08:23] <Yonni_Poo> sacho I mean, installing slackware you'll be a part of every step of every step of dependency-ness... so you'll be very aware what broke what, when you installed what, and when.
[08:23] <Sacho> I managed to install the latest nvidia drivers with only a minor headache
[08:23] <Yonni_Poo> on second though, take zcat[1]'s advice, 1994 definitely craps on my experience
[08:24] <zcat[1]> 'package management is for the weak' ;)
[08:24] <Seven_Six_Two> I learned a lot from using slackware.
[08:24] <Sacho> forced learning != fun
[08:24] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, if you don't *have* any problems with the nVidia drivers then you'll be fine :)
[08:24] <zcat[1]> I do admit, you will learn a LOT running slackware..
[08:24] <i_is_broke> package management is for us lazys who dont like to type..lol
[08:25] <Jeje_> wtf why do i get this error? http://tinyurl.com/yasscv4
[08:25] <Yonni_Poo> i_is_broke: actually, computers are for us lazys who don't like to add stuff up by hand and pencil
[08:25] <A[D]minS> Hi i'm a bit confused ..i'm trying to check my memory but i can't understand this
[08:25] <Sacho> wasn't aware you could do addition as fast as a computer
[08:25] <A[D]minS>  total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[08:25] <A[D]minS> Mem:          3016       2917         98          0        323       2151
[08:25] <ShazbotMcNasty> someone kick Jeje_
[08:25] <i_is_broke> Yonni_Poo, no thats a calculator
[08:25] <djyox> actually, sense we are talking about nvidia cards, I am rocking out on a 8200m and my driver in linux doesn't look near as good as windows does
[08:25] <ShazbotMcNasty> that is a disgusting photo
[08:25] <Seven_Six_Two> Amaranth, please make Jeje_  stop\
[08:25] <Folly> Jeje_:  http://tinyurl.com/ycu3msw -- Hmm, weird. Did you click on the foot in the Gnome menu and try going into Computer?
[08:25] <A[D]minS> it says from 3G ram ..free 98M
[08:25] <A[D]minS> but cached 2151M
[08:25] <zcat[1]> !ops | Jeje_
[08:25] <djyox> (don't mean to get too many of the same topic going, but figured I would toss that out there)
[08:25] <A[D]minS> what dose it mean?
[08:26] <Jeje_> dont you like it ShazbotMcNasty?
[08:26] <ShazbotMcNasty> no.
[08:26] <Jeje_> ok sorry :/
[08:26] <ShazbotMcNasty> usually i'd probably think it's funny.
[08:26] <Sacho> owned by tinyurl preview
[08:26] <Sacho> ^_^
[08:26] <ShazbotMcNasty> But not today.
[08:26] <Seven_Six_Two> A[D]minS, means linux is caching it. it's all good
[08:26] <Jeje_> I tought it was funny lol
[08:26] <i_is_broke> !ops | Jeje_ spamming
[08:26] <Folly> ShazbotMcNasty: It's teh lolz.
[08:26] <Jeje_> im not spamming :s
[08:26] <Folly> I laughed out loud when I clicked on it :)
[08:26] <Yonni_Poo> aquarius: intel graphics ? maybe i'm misunderstanding hardware.... i thought the xps is only with nvidia - and that's your graphics chipset?
[08:27] <A[D]minS> Seven_Six_Two how i can control the caching ?
[08:27] <Jeje_> do you know what does mean spam oO ?
[08:27] <Folly> I wish I could be sucking on it right now. :(
[08:27] <zcat[1]> it is neither funny or on topic
[08:27]  * Folly goes back to watching Madonna videos. :D
[08:27] <Sacho> since the channel isn't very active atm, there's no reason to freak out :P
[08:27] <Seven_Six_Two> A[D]minS, not sure. not sure why you'd want to either, but I'll leave that up to you
[08:27] <Folly> Anyway, how is tablet support in Ubuntu OFTB?
[08:27] <Folly> *out of the box
[08:28] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, it depends which XPS model you're looking at :) Some come with an nVidia graphics chipset, some with Intel, some with a choice of either. Which one are you looking for?
[08:28] <Yonni_Poo> i_is_broke: well, you could break all this down to math problems (everything the computer does... almost), so that's what i mean by pencil/paper-replacement
[08:29] <Seven_Six_Two> Folly, graphics tablet? or tablet pc?
[08:29] <Yonni_Poo> aquarius: i'm looking for anything that'll be the easiest linux-out of the box. lol
[08:29] <Folly> Anyone know why the Gnome logo isn't working? http://tinyurl.com/ycu3msw
[08:29] <zcat[1]> have been having a good run lately, last three laptops I've installed EVERYTHING worked; 3d graphics, wireless, webcam...
[08:30] <Yonni_Poo> i have up to 1,388 to spend (that's what I"m sending this system76 laptop back for)
[08:30] <zcat[1]> right off the live CD
[08:30] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, then I'd recommend you buy a laptop with Ubuntu installed on it, rather than installing it yourself. (You had a system76 and didn't like it?)
[08:30] <zcat[1]> karmic seems to support a bit more stuff than jaunty too.. one of these laptops had no wired lan under jaunty.
[08:31] <Seven_Six_Two> I installed on an HP G60 and all hardware worked out of box
[08:31] <Yonni_Poo> aquarius: well, Dell do sell the 9.04, but a.) its an nVidia b.) I *really* prefer 2 things: 3yr. warranties & 4gb ram (for virtual machine stuff); those two specs push it right over the edge into like.. $1400
[08:31] <zcat[1]> owner was not happy at the thought of not having theintarweb so opted to continue using windows and wait for karmic.
[08:32] <chibzuit> sda has 488397168 sectors but if i fdisk sda, the largest partition created will be only 488392002 sectors and if i add the first 63 sectors that hold the mbr, the total is 488392065. where are the remaining 5103 sectors going?
[08:32] <Folly> http://tinyurl.com/ycu3msw Help :(
[08:32] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, ah, right, yeah; I paid about that for mine, but I use my laptop 18 hours a day so I need it a lot ;)
[08:32] <Yonni_Poo> aquarius: are you recommending any laptop with Ubuntu installed on it? because all I can ever find are sketchy websites (other than sytem76) .. and like.. the three machines Dell sells
[08:32] <Folly> Wait, wrong URL, sorry.
[08:32] <djyox> Oh, how about this for a question. I would like to upgrade to firefox 3.5 in ubuntu 9.04, under synaptic, I first have to unintstall 3.0, then install 3.5 correct? Now does anyone know what I should select for removal for 3.0, and then for install of 3.5?
[08:32] <Folly> What do you guys think of this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-7NXibn5ms&feature=related
[08:32] <mishok13> i'm having troubles with updating from 9.04 to 9.10, almost everything went fine, but there's a problem with binfmt package (i guess)
[08:32] <mishok13> output is here http://paste.pocoo.org/show/157331/
[08:32] <echotone> I run a NVIDIA geforce 9500gt. Does anybody know why after a reboot my computer looks great but then after maybe 10 minutes (sometimes more/less) it looks like an old tv with bad reception? The windows freeze, my mouse freezes, it resets my desktop effects its fuzzy all over. and a dialog box pops up to tell me that the screen is not composited. please restart compize...etc
[08:32] <iceroot_> djyox: you can use 3.0 and 3.5 at the same time
[08:32] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, I personally recommend the Dell ones, myself, but I know they're not cheap. Are you in the US?
[08:32] <zcat[1]> I was very surprised to find a laptop where webcam and wireless and 3d worked but wired network did not, btw...
[08:33] <aquarius> djyox, you can install 3.5 without uninstalling 3.0
[08:33] <mishok13> any way to reinstall/fix binfmt?
[08:33] <iceroot_> djyox: ff3.5 has a different name then firefox, its called shiretoko
[08:33] <iceroot_> mishok13: please use one line for a question, its hard to read over a few lines (when others are posting something between)
[08:33] <Yonni_Poo> yeah, I really have no preference, I just don't want it to be some tiny-teeny company (like system76).
[08:33] <Yonni_Poo> aquarius: *yeah, in US
[08:34] <zcat[1]> get a lemote!!
[08:34] <iceroot_> djyox: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5
[08:34] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: lol, like RMS?
[08:34] <djyox> ok, let me try that
[08:34] <chibzuit> sda has 488397168 sectors but if i fdisk sda, the largest partition created will be only 488392002 sectors and if i add the first 63 sectors that hold the mbr, the total is 488392065. where are the remaining 5103 sectors going?
[08:34] <zcat[1]> well, you know the support for 'free software' will be excellent...
[08:34] <mishok13> iceroot_, sorry, but the problem description is on paste.pocoo.org anyway :)
[08:35] <Skyblayde> aH
[08:35] <Skyblayde> Thank GoD!
[08:35] <zcat[1]> lenovo seem pretty good for linux compatability too
[08:35] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, I'm in the UK, where there is Even Less Choice :) Some US people may be able to advise you about US firms. (In general, Ubuntu laptops will be towards the higher price end of the range, because they contain decent robust hardware rather than rather shoddy cheap windows-only hardware, though.)
[08:35] <echotone> There are 1300 people here. has anybody had a similar problem?
[08:35] <Seven_Six_Two> chibzuit, formatting information?
[08:35] <djyox> ok, so 3.5 is now installed
[08:35] <Skyblayde> I just made a major decision
[08:35] <iceroot_> mishok13: using eeepc here which a small display and i dont scroll the whole channel to see if someone was posting additional infos before
[08:35] <chibzuit> Seven_Six_Two, yes
[08:35] <djyox> How do I go about using 3.5 rather than 3.0?
[08:35] <djyox> (i'm a noob)
[08:35] <zcat[1]> forget trying to find a laptop with Linux preinstalled, just take a live CD along and insist on trying them out
[08:35] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]:  sounds good actually ( I think I just brushed the idea off, because I figured if RMS had it, it was some obscure unobtainable product) - http://www.lemote.com/english/yeeloong.html looks pretty limited of a site
[08:36] <Skyblayde> I decided to switch over to linux
[08:36] <Skyblayde> New to it
[08:36] <iceroot_> djyox: first try if you like ff3.5
[08:36] <Skyblayde> Lovin it
[08:36] <Skyblayde> but could use some help
[08:36] <Skyblayde> I think i mauled my splash
[08:36] <djyox> Whats the easiest way to start 3.5?
[08:36] <iceroot_> !ask | Skyblayde
[08:36] <DaDa|Urka> Skyblayde: Gratz! :D
[08:36] <iceroot_> djyox: in terminal  firefox-3.5  or use applicaions-internet-shiretoko
[08:36] <djyox> (i'm rocking out 3.5 on my windows, so I'm guessing if its the same, I'll like it)
[08:36] <Skyblayde> Dada :) ty
[08:37] <Skyblayde> Urka*
[08:37] <chibzuit> Seven_Six_Two, any idea?
[08:37] <iceroot_> !who | djyox
[08:37] <Skyblayde> I think i need to smoke a bowl
[08:37] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: actually, livecd is no problem, I just want go make sure everything works, and I hear (or read in a forum) you'll get kicked out of a BestBuy for booting there machines on USBs, lol
[08:37] <Skyblayde> then come back in here and learn some more
[08:37] <MaSSaSLaYeR> can anyone help me install wireless on hp 2133
[08:37] <iceroot_> Skyblayde: and please stay ontopic here
[08:37] <iceroot_> !wifi | MaSSaSLaYeR
[08:37] <A[D]minS> Seven_Six_Two: may i know what is the real meaning of Cached which appears in the output of free
[08:38] <zcat[1]> Yonni_Poo:  so obviously best buy don't need your custom...
[08:38] <Skyblayde> I've practically had to learn linux overnight. I need help with my splash. Anyone willing to give a hand?
[08:38] <Skyblayde> I think I mauled it :(
[08:38] <MaSSaSLaYeR> well i tried a lot like ndiswrapper en jockey
[08:38] <iceroot_> Skyblayde: again, ask your question in one line and stay on topic
[08:38] <MaSSaSLaYeR> but there still isn't an interface
[08:38] <djyox> Ahh I see, yeah, 3.5 is what I want to be running. Would it be better to just leave 3.0 on? That way I always have a backup if I start messing around with god knows what (I have to break stuff to figure out how it works it seems)
[08:38] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: isn't that kind of justified, though? I feel ilke, if some kid came into my shop with a liveboot that could wipe my whole disk, i'd be pretty upset
[08:38] <om26er> !anyone | Skyblayde
[08:38] <ZIv25> Hello , does it possible to to disable the ssh time limit ? so i can stay login for days even without any activity ?
[08:39] <iceroot_> djyox: yes you can leave it on the system
[08:39] <Skyblayde> Iceroot, what are you talking about?
[08:39] <riverbird> Yonni_Poo, i tend to agree with zcat[1] . if not a usb, take a cd with you.  otherwise, find the box you want, then install on it.  jmo
[08:39] <iceroot_> !ot | Skyblayde
[08:39] <zcat[1]> Yonni_Poo:  like ghosting is hard?
[08:39] <Yonni_Poo> ZIv25: purely curious: why do you want to do that?
[08:39] <iceroot_> !ask | Skyblayde
[08:39] <iceroot_> Skyblayde: that two ones
[08:39] <echotone> skyblayde: there are web pages for resetting all visuals on the system.  i can help you look for them if thats an option you are willing to do.
[08:40] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: ghosting?
[08:40] <Skyblayde> Echotone, Can we go private with it then so i dont embarrass myself?
[08:40] <Skyblayde> hehe
[08:40] <zcat[1]> the 'recovery disk'
[08:40] <echotone> if u insist. im just going to be on google looking for the page. i had to do it a while back
[08:40] <Seven_Six_Two> chibzuit, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-98827.html
[08:40] <echotone> hiut me up
[08:41] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: oooh, i've never heard it called ghosting. right, okay. i'll just do it then (i always have a liveUSB anyways).
[08:41] <Yonni_Poo> thanks :) all
[08:41] <djyox> Alright, one more question, then I have to go start packing again. Is there any programs that you could recommend for me to download and start messing with. I'm going to a FOB that may not have internet connection. I use my N95 to connect to the internet through my laptop sometimes, but that is 14.4 slow.
[08:41] <zcat[1]> computer retailers generally have an OEM install disk for each model, they boot off that and run an autoresotre and it's back to factory in five or ten minutes
[08:41] <zcat[1]> *autorestore
[08:41] <djyox> in other words, any must have programs
[08:42] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: sure, I'd imagine that'd be similar to what you get with an Acer where you bring it "back to factory" with all the Acer pre-installed garbage (not tomention on windows
[08:42] <syrius> what's a good program to just reduce the kb/s of mp3 files for portable media playing?
[08:43] <syrius> well like that you can make it so that it creates new files of reduce kb/s mp3 files
[08:43] <djyox> can mplayer encode mp3's? if so, that might work?
[08:43] <syrius> high kb/s for portable media player can really kill the battery :/
[08:44] <ntemis> hi
[08:44] <intel> how to enable 3D view in chess
[08:44] <ntemis> i fixed my audio
[08:44] <zcat[1]> syrius:  and use up all the flash
[08:44] <MaSSaSLaYeR> ok i've installed the broadcom wireless drivers via Jockey-KDE what now?
[08:44] <ntemis> but i dont have the icon for audio in top right panel
[08:44] <syrius> up all the flash is a program?
[08:44] <ntemis> to lower or put higher the volume on the fly
[08:44] <zcat[1]> syrius:  I think lame can convert directly from mp3 to a lower bitrate
[08:44] <intel> --------------------------------how to enable 3D view in chess
[08:45] <zcat[1]> syrius:  high-bitrate mp3's are big and use more flash memory in your mp3 player
[08:45] <intel> -------how to enable 3D view in chess-------
[08:45] <BeeBuu> hi,all.anyone know is there a programme can voice chat under command line?
[08:45] <syrius> I see zcat[1]
[08:45] <syrius> well I don't care about that much
[08:45] <intel> help-----how to enable 3D view in chess-----
[08:45] <ardchoille> !patience | intel
[08:45] <syrius> I want high kb/s songs for playing on the computer just not for media player
[08:45] <zcat[1]> syrius:  I'm not sure if they also use battery faster. I suspect there's little difference
[08:46] <intel> ok sorry yaa
[08:46] <om26er> !repeat | intel
[08:46] <kr_217> how to load ppolicy.la in ubuntu
[08:46] <syrius> well according to apple's site it suggests to use lower bitrate for files to save battery life zcat[1]
[08:46] <Yonni_Poo> whoops, battery died
[08:47] <syrius> I use rockbox and put my music files in a separate folder on  my ipod I hate the way apple does it
[08:47] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, vincent?
[08:47] <syrius> so then I can just enable MTP plugin for rockbox and then I am all good
[08:47] <MaSSaSLaYeR> yes
[08:47] <syrius> while disabling ipod plugin
[08:48] <zcat[1]> syrius:  for a hard drive player, lower bitrate would mean less frequent reads which require spinning the drive up. But I don't think it would be an issue for a flash-based player, only hard-drive ones.
[08:48] <MaSSaSLaYeR> yes riverbird
[08:48] <Yonni_Poo> just ahring: (system 76 laptops come default with a *whimmppyy* battery)
[08:48] <syrius> it is a hard drive based player zcat[1]
[08:48] <syrius> well flash-based has a limit of the amount of reads
[08:48] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, yeah, I bought two extra 9-cell batteries for my M1330 :)
[08:49] <syrius> well it is a pretty huge amount of reads  now but in the beginning it wasn't a lot of reads to make it unable to write to it anymore
[08:49] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, saw you on earlier.  type the first couple letters of my username, then tab to autocomplete
[08:49] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, keeps us highlighted
[08:49] <intel> i didn't get the answer in those links
[08:49] <riverbird> did you enable the proprietary drivers?
[08:49] <intel> Please someone help
[08:50] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, did you enable the proprietary drivers?
[08:50] <MaSSaSLaYeR> how i do that ?
[08:50] <FreeBSD> asdf
[08:50] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird,
[08:50] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird,  i did the free ones
[08:51] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, you running in server? or gui?
[08:51] <Yonni_Poo> aquarius: you know, i'd never have known (aside from your comments, and the ubuntu laptop testing pages) that dell's xps has extra detailed model number, like you say, "m1330"... it doesn't say it *anywhere* noteableon there page: http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/laptop-studio-xps-13/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-studio-xps-13&s=dhs&cs=19
[08:51] <MaSSaSLaYeR> gui
[08:51] <zcat[1]> !patience | intel
[08:51] <jozefk> anyone knows some human, ubutnu theme I could use on windows 7?
[08:51] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird, xfce4
[08:51] <chibzuit> Seven_Six_Two, the "lost" sectors are not because of formating the partition. http://pastebin.com/d44b07947
[08:51] <zcat[1]> intel:  looking into this; there's a package you may need to install, I just can't remember what it was
[08:51] <om26er> jozefk: #ubuntu-offtopic plz
[08:51] <jozefk> ah ok :)
[08:52] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird,  enabling the proprietary drivers atm
[08:52] <zcat[1]> intel:  so the error when you try to enable it says you need Python OpenGL and Python GTKGLExt
[08:52] <intel> yes
[08:52] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, did you get the # of the actual bcm chipset?  ie, bc43xx?
[08:53] <zcat[1]> intel:  open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install -y python-opengl python-gtkglext1"
[08:54] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird,  it says the broadcoam B43 wireless driver and broadcom sta wireless driver the broadcom sta wirelless doesn't want to enable
[08:54] <ntemis> gnome-volume-control-applet doesnt show on panel
[08:54] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, yeah, "XPS" is a whole range of laptops. Dell just don't let on that that's the case, it seems, which is a bit weird. That XPS13 looks pretty sweet, though, even if it does only come with nvidia graphics :)
[08:54] <intel> oh.... it says-----
[08:54] <ntemis> how i re-enable it?
[08:54] <michael> does anyone know anything about sxipper?
[08:54] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, ah .. sta
[08:55] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird,  sorry if i act stupid but i'm not so experienced :p that's why i bought this laptop to learn more :p
[08:55] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, that has been fussy.  bc4312, 4315 .. ?? do you know?  not all chips are supported
[08:55] <zcat[1]> intel:  for future reference; I found those by searching "apt-cache search python [whatever]" from the things glchess was saying needed to be installed
[08:55] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird,  let me search
[08:55] <intel> zcat,   it says---"E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:55] <intel> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? "
[08:56] <Yonni_Poo> aquarius: I appreciate you looking. so it doesn't look to you like there's a whole nother rabbit hole of xps pages I should find with different specs (say intel chips) -- somewhere else on there messy site?
[08:56] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, lspci -v  find the network controller
[08:57] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Known_PCI_devices
[08:57] <zcat[1]> intel:  you have another package manager open? (synaptic, software centre, update manager?) -- close any or wait for updates to finish .. or as a last resort try a reboot, it may just be something that is hung or forgot to release the lockfile..
[08:57] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird, Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
[08:57] <MaSSaSLaYeR> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 137d
[08:57] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, not with Ubuntu pre-installed, it seems (dell.com/ubuntu lists all their current models)
[08:57] <kr_217> how to load ppolicy.la in ubuntu
[08:58] <Yonni_Poo> aquarius: yeah, I saw that too. :\ Oh well, off to a battle at the near by PC store, it is.
[08:58] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, see above link.  4312 only partially supported - 'g' networks only
[08:58] <zcat[1]> Yonni_Poo:  also if you get one with windows installed, reclaim the windows tax!!
[08:59] <aquarius> Yonni_Poo, yeah. I wish there were loads of places where you could buy proper Ubuntu laptops, but Dell and System76 are the main two, I think, both of which I've been really pleased with in the past. Dell don't do my M1330 any more, tragically!
[08:59] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird,  i will look hold on
[08:59] <Yonni_Poo> maybe i'll just bring Richard Stallman in with me... He'll talk them out of their rage.
[08:59] <intel> hey  ZCAT, I think something is happening
[08:59] <intel> thanks thoug
[08:59] <dsdeiz> hi! can't i not do wget -O - file.zip | unzip ?
[09:00] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: actually, its funny you mention windows tax, because when I asked a Dell sales assitant, they said, "No, the windows installation is free, there's no refund to give on that"... i was like.. YEAH, okay.
[09:00] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: but, either way, I can't see what I can say to that response
[09:00] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird, what can i do do let the other wireless networks work?
[09:01] <zcat[1]> Yonni_Poo:  they pay -nothing- to microsoft? seriously?!!
[09:01]  * joejc finds windows really annoying
[09:01] <zcat[1]> wow, I didn't know msft were that desperate to retain market share ;)
[09:01] <MaSSaSLaYeR> because the laptop is distributed with SUSE so normally there would be drivers
[09:01] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]supposedly? - idk, I doubt it, but... if it mattered enough that we could (as consumers) really find out what deal they had with Dell - I wouldn't be too surprised if Microsoft wasn't giving vendors their OS for free.
[09:02] <michael> importing .rfp files to sxipper - possible?
[09:02] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, otherwise you have bcmwl-kernel-source and bcmwl-modaliases installed?
[09:02] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, ??  cant help you there.  sorry.
[09:02] <djyox> Thanks everyone for your help.
[09:03] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird,  let me check on those things
[09:03] <Pupuser402> hi all
[09:03] <zcat[1]> Yonni_Poo:  I think technically they're right, they pay very little to msft and make it back on 'shovelware' like trial versions of norton and office
[09:03] <aquarius> dsdeiz, unzip doesn't seem to support getting a zipfile on standard input, as far as I can tell
[09:03] <Yonni_Poo> aquarius: actually, I really wanted this System76 to work out for me. its unfortunate  --  I just feel its silly of me to spend 1400 dollars on a hole-in-the-wall company when I could spend $20 less to get the same/or-better specs from Dell
[09:04] <Folly> Guys, I'm getting errors in my dmesg. Here's a log: http://pastehtml.com/view/5sje8l0.html
[09:04] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, you may be able to copy drivers over? otherwise it may be an issue of the ubuntu kernel, not sure if thats shared with SUSE
[09:04] <zcat[1]> Yonni_Poo:  but this is getting way offtopic.. ;)
[09:04] <om26er> kick folly
[09:04] <MaSSaSLaYeR> ok
[09:04] <aquarius> dsdeiz, yeah, it doesn't; unzip -hh says that it doesn't support streaming (reading from stdin)
[09:04] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, another page maybe helpful .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/
[09:04] <Folly> om26er: What?
[09:05] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: ooh, wow! you should see the nasty list of "components" that get saved when you print off your shopping cart for later use. really all you're trying to get a list of is: cpu, ram, hdd, monitor, (maybe 4 more  things?)... its like a 20 ITEM list! (all anti-spyware, etc. etc)
[09:05] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: (that's in reference to Dell's shopping cart)
[09:05] <ruki> i upgraded to linux version *.16 from *.14 and i am seeing their respective options in grub loader. are the two taking their own memory space?
[09:05] <MaSSaSLaYeR> riverbird,  i will try those things thanks for the help
[09:05] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: right... #ubuntu cahnnel
[09:05] <iceroot_> ruki: on harddisk, yes
[09:06] <ruki> iceroot_: but it was supposed to be a upgrade!
[09:06] <Skyblayde> Looking to tweak Ubuntu Performance, namely Network and Graphics. Anyone willing to work with a linux newb?
[09:06] <zcat[1]> Yonni_Poo:  there are websites that tell you how to claim it back anyhow.. first step is I think you don't bother hassling the salesperson because they don't have the power to help you.
[09:06] <riverbird> MaSSaSLaYeR, all i got.  good luck
[09:07] <iceroot_> ruki: yes but what to do if the uprade fails or new kernel is bad? then you can use the old one
[09:07] <Skyblayde> Private IM me, if your willing to help plz.
[09:07] <Yonni_Poo> zcat[1]: oh, great! I'll look it up
[09:07] <iceroot_> Skyblayde: what is the problem about network performance? (answer in one line please)
[09:07] <ruki> iceroot_:ok. how much harddisk space is the new version taking?
[09:07] <Matson> when you use apt-get to remove a package, can I also have it remove all the support packages that are not needed any more?  how do  Ido that?
[09:08] <yogesh> help
[09:08] <Pupuser402> please tell me a good ubuntu based os for netbooks (Eee Pc)
[09:08] <zcat[1]> Matson:  apt-get autoremove
[09:08] <iceroot_> ruki: ls -all /boot
[09:08] <Matson> Pupuser402: eee pc works with 9.10
[09:08] <Matson> zcat[1]: thanks
[09:08] <EsatYuce> hi, How can i download VirtualBox newest version?
[09:08] <Goliath> hi
[09:08] <iceroot_> !unr | Pupuser402
[09:08] <Folly> Guys can you help me with this? http://pastehtml.com/view/5sje8l0.html
[09:09] <iceroot_> EsatYuce: from there website (sue the repo and help on there website)
[09:09] <zcat[1]> EsatYuce:  go to their website and click download link?!
[09:09] <iceroot_> !op | Folly
[09:09] <Goliath> which is the easiest firewall i can use for linux? firestarter/ipkungfu/guarddog/other ?
[09:09] <Yonni_Poo> reclaiming windows sales tax, if you plan on installing Ubuntu later :) http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/59381   ---however, I'm not sure how easy it'll actually be
[09:09] <iceroot_> Goliath: ufw
[09:09] <pawan> hi
[09:09] <iceroot_> Goliath: but normally you dont need one
[09:09] <pawan> no volume control in oss
[09:09] <EsatYuce> iceroot_,  and zcat[1] : i tried it, but after downloaded, i cant see the application on my menu
[09:10] <inzi> hello
[09:10] <iceroot_> EsatYuce: its a bug, you have to restart your desktop or start it from the terminal
[09:10] <zcat[1]> Yonni_Poo:  basically you just have to keep at it. they probably don't really owe you anything but will eventually give you some money to make you go away...
[09:10] <iceroot_> EsatYuce: its only showing in the menu after reloging or relaoding
[09:10] <Goliath> iceroot_: is it easier than firestarter?
[09:10] <inzi> hi.. does anyone know why ubuntu shows a lower signal strength on wifi, compared to windows
[09:11] <Pupuser402> 10x and another question ... Eee PC 901 has 2 SSD's - one mounted as / , the other must be /home?
[09:11] <zcat[1]> EsatYuce:  oh, so the real question is how do you _install_ virtualbox after downloading it?
[09:11] <iceroot_> Goliath: dont know, for what you need a firewall?
[09:11] <iceroot_> inzi: other driver
[09:11] <luckymurali> Hi to all
[09:11] <inzi> hi.. does anyone know why ubuntu shows a lower signal strength on wifi, compared to windows, on windows i get 4bars, on ubuntu 2 bars
[09:11] <Pupuser402> sorry for my English
[09:11] <iceroot_> Pupuser402: i amm using that too like that with / and /home
[09:11] <inzi> iceroot.. could u pls clarify
[09:11] <EsatYuce> zcat[1],  i download it from the site there are many link, i select the correct link for my sistem and downloaded it
[09:12] <iceroot_> inzi: ubuntu is using another driver then windows
[09:12] <iceroot_> inzi: so maybe its because of the driver
[09:12] <inzi> i am using a usb dongle for wife
[09:12] <luckymurali> is there any limitations to increase on swap???
[09:12] <Pupuser402> ok i will test it :)
[09:12] <inzi> i mean wifi
[09:12] <luckymurali> my RAM is 8 GB
[09:12] <inzi> iceroot .does having lower signal strength affect my speed
[09:12] <iceroot_> luckymurali: no limit
[09:12] <luckymurali> Already I created 3 time .swap file and added it
[09:13] <luckymurali> iceroot, hi
[09:13] <SwedeMike> luckymurali: why do you need a swap file with 8 gigs of ram?
[09:13] <luckymurali> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/10240Mb.swap bs=1M count=10240
[09:13] <luckymurali> dd: opening `/mnt/10240Mb.swap': Text file busy
[09:13] <iceroot_> inzi: not always
[09:13] <shruggar> how does ubuntu determine the grub options to put in menu.lst when it regenerates that file?
[09:13] <zcat[1]> luckymurali:  beyond 4G there is really no need for swap except to hibernate; swap=ram...
[09:13] <inzi> ok.. thank you iceroot
[09:13]  * ikonia wakes
[09:13] <luckymurali> SwedeMike , my query tooks aroung 50GB
[09:14] <iceroot_> !tab | inzi
[09:14] <luckymurali> im using main memory DB
[09:14] <llutz> luckymurali: did "mkswap yourfile" before?
[09:14] <iceroot_> ikonia: thx
[09:14] <ikonia> sorry for the slow response
[09:14] <inzi> oh.. hehe thnx
[09:14] <SwedeMike> luckymurali: is your problem to create the file or to make it be swap?
[09:14] <luckymurali> create the file itself
[09:15] <SwedeMike> luckymurali: what happens if you choose another file name?
[09:15] <luckymurali> dd: opening `/mnt/10240Mb.swap': Text file busy
[09:15] <luckymurali> this is the message
[09:15] <llutz> luckymurali: what filesystem is /mnt on?
[09:15] <luckymurali> ext2
[09:15] <Skyblayde> ext3
[09:15] <SwedeMike> luckymurali: it's either a problem with file size (if it's fat32 or something), or a permission problem (do it using sudo)
[09:16] <luckymurali> yes im using it with sudo unly
[09:16] <djyox> Hello again, one more quick question. What is the differnece in uses of 'sudo' and 'gksu'?
[09:16] <luckymurali> how to kill all the process running on my machine
[09:16] <Skyblayde> one is a graphical internface (gksudo)
[09:16] <ulgens> i have a problem with module i810, it's not work
[09:16] <Skyblayde> sudo is manual
[09:16] <ulgens> can you help me
[09:16] <ikonia> djyox: one sources a graphical environment for X11 apps
[09:16] <zcat[1]> SwedeMike:  the error message doesn't suggest either of those; it seems to me that /mnt/whatever is busy; ie it already exists and is already being used by something?
[09:17] <djyox> AHHH, sweetness, I guess that would explain why it pops open a window then...
[09:17] <djyox> <---- noob
[09:17] <djyox> :D thanks!
[09:17] <ikonia> djyox: no problem, always better to ask
[09:17] <zcat[1]> luckymurali:  try 'swapoff' then create the file, then use 'mkswap filename' to turn it into a swapfile, then swapon swapfile' to enable it again
[09:18] <djyox> ikonia, yeah... I'm never too proud to ask. I'd rather just know the correct thing thing than pretend I do...
[09:18] <pablum> how to configure xorg if install didn't find vcard address or monitor timings?
[09:18] <zcat[1]> luckymurali:  'swapoff -a' I think... you won't be able to write lots of nulls to a swapfile that the system is currently using!
[09:18] <pablum> ...short of writing a xorg.conf file from scratch, that is...
[09:18] <luckymurali> zcat[1],thanks
[09:18] <SwedeMike> zcat[1]: he said he tried 4 different file names.
[09:19] <dooglus> !tor
[09:19] <dooglus> !info tor
[09:19] <luckymurali> but how can i kill all my process or how can i freeup my current swap
[09:19] <dooglus> any idea what the tor package is called?
[09:19] <dooglus> !proxies
[09:20] <Slart> luckymurali: kill all the processes? power off the machine? without processes there is.. well.. nothing running.. no os .. no nothing
[09:20] <llutz> dooglus: tor, but it isn't in standard-repos
[09:20] <dooglus> llutz: which repo is it in?
[09:20] <pablum> the display panel only offers 800x600, but this monitor (viewsonic a71f+) is capable of more...
[09:20] <llutz> dooglus: sry idk, google it
[09:20] <dooglus> I wonder why it's not available safely - seems odd to make us install from a 3rd party repo
[09:20] <Slart> luckymurali: the swapoff method sounds a lot more promising
[09:20] <luckymurali> Slart,ok just i need to restart thr kernel without reebooting
[09:21] <Slart> luckymurali: hmm... not really sure I've ever heard that mentioned.. is there a particular reason you don't want to reboot?
[09:22] <luckymurali> yes my results are cold cached
[09:22] <luckymurali> else i need to execute my query for another 8 hrs
[09:23] <om26er> !ayatana
[09:23] <riverbird> luckymurali, maybe too much swap?
[09:23] <luckymurali> yes
[09:23] <riverbird> luckymurali, why any w/ 8g ram?
[09:23] <luckymurali> im doing swapoff
[09:24] <luckymurali> when i restart my maching swapon will happen automatically???
[09:24] <Slart> luckymurali: ouch.. no way to dump the cache contents to the hard drive?
[09:24] <zcat[1]> luckymurali:  I am fairly certain that you are asking the wrong question; you have a problem. You have made some assumptions of your own about the cause of that problem which are probably not correct. I think you should ask for help with the original problem...
[09:24] <luckymurali> zcat[1], Im sure about my problem
[09:25] <luckymurali> i have a database which is a main memory database
[09:25] <luckymurali> so the results are in main memory
[09:26] <riverbird> luckymurali, are you using ramzwap?
[09:26] <luckymurali> it has a dvantage of cold caching
[09:26] <zcat[1]> luckymurali:  well, you can add an unlimited number of 1G swapfiles without dissabling any of the existing swapspace...
[09:26] <luckymurali> riverbird,what is that??
[09:26] <zcat[1]> or any other size...
[09:26] <luckymurali> zcat[1], yes im doing that
[09:26] <riverbird> luckymurali, your /swap only needs 256k
[09:27] <riverbird> if that
[09:27] <zcat[1]> I'm not sure why you can't create any file in /tmp unless somewhere along the road /tmp has accidentally become a file rather than a directory
[09:27] <zcat[1]> sorry, /mnt not /tmp
[09:28] <luckymurali> zcat[1], swapoff is really solved my problem
[09:28] <luckymurali> but i need to do swapon or it will automatically on when i reboot my machine???
[09:28] <zcat[1]> also of you really do need significantly more than 2xram then you are going to have some really bad performance issues
[09:30] <Ace42> Hello chaps, my laptop's running in 1024*768; I'm sure it can go higher but there is no option to set that in Karmic's Display Preferences - how do I over-ride that and add higher resolutions to the list?
[09:30] <zcat[1]> !res
[09:30] <coz_> Ace42,  which video card is on that laptop?
[09:30] <riverbird> not even 2x ram, but with 4gb or more, the 2gb swap is plenty
[09:30] <Slart> luckymurali: just out of curiosity.. is the some advantage to having a database in memory (which in reality is swapped out to disk) compared to having the database on the disc from the beginning?
[09:30] <dooglus> Ace42: the system has been improved recently to make such configuration unneccesary.  xorg knows best.
[09:30] <coz_> Ace42,  lspci | grep -i vga    in terminal
[09:32] <riverbird> luckymurali,  ramzwap  is installed but configured at 0 % usage (disabled). Enabling it is usually done by modifying /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and setting some value to COMPCACHE_SIZE
[09:32] <Ace42> Intel Corp Mobile  915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller
[09:32] <Ace42> I am pretty sure that it can handle more than 1024*768; so I very much doubt it knows best
[09:32] <luckymurali> Slart,by doing that we can run the query in high speed (atleast 10 times faster)
[09:32] <luckymurali> im using it for OLAP purpose
[09:32] <riverbird> luckymurali, a value like 50 %. Then rebuild initramfs images with "update-initrams -u -k all"
[09:33] <coz_> Ace42,   mm   not sure then since I rarely work with Intel graphics.... you might have to add modlines for your graphics in the xorg.conf  but then again I rarely do that myself anylonger...I am sure someone here can help with that
[09:33] <luckymurali> yes this swapoff saved my time and the results
[09:33] <foormea> hi
[09:33] <luckymurali> thanks guys :)
[09:33] <Ace42> Idon't have an xorg.conf, I gathered it was obsolete post-HAL
[09:33] <foormea> is skype supposed to be present in medibuntu's repos for 64 bits?
[09:33] <Slart> luckymurali: oh.. didn't expect that.. thanks for explaining
[09:33] <zcat[1]> I am a little puzzled why running a database in 'memory' (where vast amounts of it are swapped to disk) is faster than running it from disk (where as much as possible will be cached in ram anyhow..)
[09:34] <coz_> Ace42,  you can probably generate one with   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh  xserver-xorg
[09:34] <Slart> foormea: I think so.. I think I installed it using the medibuntu repos
[09:34] <zcat[1]> basically ubuntu will _always_ put as much as possible in real memory and leave the rest on disk, no matetr how you think you have it configured
[09:35] <foormea> Slart: 64bits right?
[09:35] <riverbird> zcat[1], i'm a little confused why with 8gb ram there is need for any swap at all?
[09:35] <mnowluck> I'm sorry for being stupid, however I just went to http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download and I found only 32 bit, is there anyway I can download the 64bit?
[09:35] <Slart> foormea: right.. 64bit karmic..    "Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>-0medibuntu2"
[09:35] <luckymurali> zcat[1], actually the query execution only takes more RAM when there is insufficient memory i will drop all the effort
[09:35] <foormea> Slart: ok..
[09:36] <luckymurali> so I dont want to take that risk(because it is data oriented) not recommended by DBA's
[09:36] <Slart> mnowluck: there's supposed to be a 64bit download in the same place.. isn't there a "select another variant" button?
[09:36] <joaopinto> zcat[1], running a database in 'memory' will pin the data in active RAM as long it's used, unlike on disk for which you are dependent on cache availability and which is shared with other disk I/O operations
[09:37] <mnowluck> Slart: nope.. it showed me only 32 bit
[09:37] <indus> mnowluck: look a little below and you will see a line saying , more options .........
[09:37] <mnowluck> is it because I'm on 32 bit?
[09:37] <coz_> mnowluck, go to ubuntu.com and just under the "Sownload loaction"  is   Alternative download options, including Ubuntu installer fo
[09:37] <Slart> mnowluck: try "alternative download options, including Ubuntu installer for windows".. right below the "Download location" selector
[09:37] <coz_> mnowluck,  I meant   "Download locations"
[09:37] <Newbie-Widget> hey guys, wondering if anyone could lend me a hand...i cant get my touchpad to work on my laptop. i installed somthing earlier and now i can get the touchpad option in System > preferences, but wen i open it, it says "Gsynaptics could initialize" i need to set SHMconfid "true' ect...   any help would be great
[09:37] <ph33r> is anyone facing any problems in weather.com weather ?
[09:37] <ardchoille> Who was looking for 64bit Karmic download?
[09:38] <zcat[1]> joaopinto:  I'll take your word for it, but all of my experience with memory allocation says there will be no practical dofference at all.
[09:38] <mnowluck> oh I'm sorry LOL! I have to just click on the more options.. thanks
[09:38] <indus> mnowluck: alternative download , > choose architecture
[09:38] <Slart> mnowluck: on the right side it says "Choose the architecture" with options for 32bit and 64bit
[09:38] <coz_> ph33r,  let me check
[09:38] <indus> i want lucy liunx
[09:38] <ph33r> coz_: thanks, I can't seem to fetch weather by the xoap service for bagalore India :/
[09:38] <Slart> !lucid | indus
[09:38] <coz_> ph33r, ah  I see  mmm
[09:38] <joaopinto> riverbird, swap never hurts, if you are doing reading/processing operations over 7GBs of data, and if you have 7GB of sleeping apps that can be swapped out, those 7GBs can be used for disk i/o caching
[09:39] <indus> cant wait for the LTS 1
[09:39] <indus> !
[09:39] <coz_> ph33r,  have you tried any of the applets for weather?
[09:39] <ph33r> coz_: I use conky
[09:39] <joaopinto> zcat[1], this is theory, for the real thing you would need to benchmark it :P
[09:39] <ph33r> but I can't access the webby either
[09:39]  * shyam_k trying to get gprs from mobile through data cable
[09:39] <coz_> ph33r,  mmm I never use conky so I am not real familiar with settings for that
[09:40] <shyam_k> but wvdial says of error code 16 that the modem is disconnecting the link though i can see chap authentication succeeded..
[09:40] <Ace42> Grah, no xorg.conf generated, and it seems it is a problem a lot of people have run into
[09:40] <ph33r> coz_: but I can't even access the website for bangalore india, INXX0012
[09:40] <Ace42> Seems like a HAL problem
[09:40] <coz_> ph33r,  is bangalore india close to another  location that may work << just for testing
[09:41] <ph33r> coz_: chennai India
[09:41] <coz_> ph33r,  give that try to be sure it is weather.com
[09:41] <kr_217> anybody know the "Moduleload" is part of which package?
[09:41] <Newbie-Widget> hey guys, wondering if anyone could lend me a hand...i cant get my touchpad to work on my laptop. i installed somthing earlier and now i can get the touchpad option in System > preferences, but wen i open it, it says "Gsynaptics could initialize" i need to set SHMconfid "true' ect...   any help would be great
[09:41] <coz_> ph33r,  and perhaps a few other locations
[09:41] <ph33r> coz_: ok
[09:42] <skitzo> hey guys if i have all my media in various other partitions how do i link them to the folders under places?
[09:42] <ardchoille> skitzo: drag a folder to the places pane
[09:42] <coz_> skitzo,   well if you   go to that location open one of the folders and hit  ctrl+d  it should list it under Places menu
[09:43] <tarelerulz> What is one of the best dvd ripping tools?
[09:43] <skitzo> oh true this doesn't transfer them aye
[09:43] <reactor> skitzo, delete folders and make symbolic links to your ones
[09:43] <skitzo> ?
[09:43] <ardchoille> skitzo: just drag a folder to the places pane, it works
[09:43] <coz_> tarelerulz,  http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/128105
[09:44] <herr_karl> where to file the bug that radeon+kms+external CRT doesnt allow resolution > 60 Hz ? (EDID is broekn btw)
[09:44] <coz_> tarelerulz,  I use handbrake for converting  but apparenlty it is also capable of dvd rips as well
[09:44] <ardchoille> coz_: it is
[09:44] <skitzo> when i do that it trys to copy them over
[09:44] <coz_> ardchoille,  cool
[09:45] <coz_> skitzo,  did you try the ctrl+d
[09:45] <skitzo> ? sorry dude im pretty lost atm first time switching to linux been a windows user for to long :)
[09:46] <Newbie-Widget> anyone familiar with getting either Touchpads or Wireless Networking up and running in Ubuntu 8.04  ??
[09:46] <coz_> skitzo,  are you talking to me?  if so  if you type the first 3 letters of someone's nick  then hit the tab button to complete it  it will change text colours of that person  so he knows you are talking to him :)
[09:47]  * shyam_k have been trying for some time now writing all different configurations for wvdial.conf but no success in getting net on system.. though its working inside phone
[09:47] <Wizzup> Hi. I recently got my hands on a wacom bamboo tablet. It is said to work out of the box on ubuntu 9.*, but it isn't even detected
[09:47] <shyam_k> mine is a sony ericsson w700i i had to change a seperate
[09:47] <hipitihop> the vlc 1.0.2 build in Karmic does not have upnp support, can someone help me to build it ?
[09:47] <skitzo> coz_, wicked haha
[09:47] <skitzo> or not
[09:47] <coz_> skitzo,   :)
[09:47] <shyam_k> mine is a sony ericsson w700i i had to change a seperate "Settings for Java" for the java apps like browsers to work
[09:47] <coz_> skitzo,  yeah that worked :)
[09:47] <skitzo> oh ahaha
[09:48] <Nasten> Hello Community! :-)
[09:48] <shyam_k> donno if there is someting similar for letting the modem to work for an external computer too..
[09:48] <Newbie-Widget> Hoe do i EDIT XORG.CONF ?
[09:48] <coz_> skitzo,  now if you go to the drive  that has say a music folder and  you want that to show up under the Places menu..go there and click on that folder  to open it  and then hit  ctrl+d  to list it under Places menu
[09:48] <Newbie-Widget> caps*
[09:48] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, maybe help w/ wifi.  do you have a wired connection in the meantime?
[09:48] <night> moanin
[09:49] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: hi, yes using ethernet atm
[09:49] <coz_> skitzo,  I believe ...even on other drives ...that should show up under Places
[09:49] <hipitihop> Newbie-Widget, 'gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[09:49] <Newbie-Widget> hipitihop: ty :)
[09:50] <mnowluck> Newbie-Widget: Have you tried this yet? Applications>Terminal sudo pppoeconf
[09:50] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: hardware Drivers says I have Atheros Hardware Access Layer and Support for Atheros 802.11 wifi lan card.. both ticked
[09:50] <qdb> zeppelin , why, about what you have said "full of win" today 5:21 gmt in #test channel? my os has been hacked at 4:40 gmt today. my xchat was running. it was also in #test channel. zeppelin is in  #ubuntu, #defocus, #freenode, #xchat now. i am going to write this in all or several of that channels. zeppelin has said that  by name dougdoug4 and changed name to zeppelin. i have written about hacking at http://qdb.wp.kukmara.ru/2009/12/16/how-my-os-is-hacked-today
[09:50] <Newbie-Widget> mnowluck; no oi havnt, will try now, thnx :)
[09:50] <qdb> / . zeppelins that irc domain/ip/ident i do not know what identificator is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in both 5:21 and now. i say this because there can be some suspicion, i do not know zeppelin, but may be this can help to somebody to understand more.   of  course this is very little suspicion against zeppelin. also there some dougdoug4 says that he is hacker this found in first page of google search now: http://forum.swiftirc.net/viewto
[09:51] <qdb> pic.php?f=6&t=21657&view=next  .
[09:51] <Nasten> so, i am facing very slow wlan file transfer and i can't find any solution anywhere
[09:51] <cheepo> guys
[09:51] <Nasten> i guess it's a common problem
[09:51] <skitzo> coz_, so theres no way to link? just that i have multiple folders that i would like to have linked into one folder without having add all my folders listed as well as the current ones
[09:51] <Nasten> any suggestions?
[09:52] <coz_> skitzo,  mmm   not sure then    if no one can help here you might try  ##linux channel
[09:52]  * mnowluck is testing how this pidgin works.. using mIRC for more than 3 years, first time using PIDGIN/Gaim
[09:52] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, hmm.  not familiar with that card.  do you know the chipset?
[09:52] <mnowluck> LOL.. mIRC commands do work here too
[09:52] <ardchoille> !ot | qdb
[09:52] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: its in an older laptop, im pretty sure Atheros is the chipset
[09:53] <qdb> my os is ubuntu
[09:53] <Newbie-Widget> mnowluck: ran sudo pppoeconf , i think it only found my ethernet :S
[09:53] <skitzo> coz_, cheers mate
[09:54] <mnowluck> Newbie-Widget: Yeah that's for your ethernet connection
[09:54] <kristian_> hi, i've got a question about opening pics with the imageviewer
[09:54] <Slart> kristian_: just ask
[09:54] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, lspci -vnn | grep 14e4
[09:55] <kristian_> how do i open it directly just by clicking on the picture.
[09:55] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: do i type that into terminal ?
[09:55] <riverbird> y
[09:55] <kristian_> since first gimp opens, then f-spot.
[09:55] <skitzo> coz_, btw im seeing that theres a x64 linux version d'oh! i got a x64 ready pc with windows 7 x64 dual booted would it be wise to reinstall a x64 version? and where do i find it?
[09:55] <kristian_> if i deinstall those then firefox opens the picture.
[09:56] <Slart> kristian_: double clicking on any file opens it in the default application for that file type.. if you want to change the default application you can do that by rightclicking on the file, selecting properties and changing the application in there
[09:56] <coz_> skitzo,  ok
[09:56] <kristian_> but never the picture viewer.
[09:56] <Nasten> ok, linksys router g-mode, linksys pci card bg-mode, laptop in g-mode. Excelent transfer via internet, excelent streaming HD movies berween the two pcs BUT 400KB/s file transfer between them. Am i the only one having that problem...?
[09:56] <ardchoille> kristian_: open nautilus, right-click the picture and choose Properties. Go to the Open With tab and choose the default app to open the picture
[09:57] <kristian_> thank you.
[09:57] <skitzo> coz_, ?
[09:57] <ardchoille> yw
[09:57] <mnowluck> Is there any IRC room for Wine?
[09:57] <coz_> skitzo,  sorry  I amy have answered  for the wrong person :)
[09:57] <DJones> !wine
[09:57] <mnowluck> i need somehelp with using that soft
[09:58] <Aciid> mnowluck: #winehq
[09:58] <mnowluck> thanks Aciid.. ubottu.. you're simply an awesome bot too
[09:59] <Aciid> =)
[09:59] <Newbie-Widget> i can see the touchpad for my laptop in the xorg.conf .. but i cant see where i have to set SHMconf to True...
[10:00] <Nasten> is there anyone into private talking about wlans? :-p
[10:00] <Nasten> any other specific channel about wlans maybe?
[10:01] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, yes, in terminal.  something like, AR5211 ..
[10:02] <jas72z> amarok gives me no sound when playing track
[10:02] <mnowluck> I typed this in the terminal and my firefox won't start again LOL sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0. Do I need to reboot it like windows too ? LOL
[10:03] <LiLiana> hola
[10:03] <edgimar> Is it still the case in Karmic that /etc/passwd has the group id of each user set to a group having the same name as the username?  I ask because on my system, nearly all the group-ids in /etc/passwd are set to 65534 ('nogroup').
[10:04] <cyberjorge> hi
[10:05] <om26er> !hi | cyberjorge
[10:05] <cyberjorge> I want to install linux-image-xen but it says "no candidate version found"
[10:05] <harm> mnowluck > what happens if you type firefox in a terminal window?
[10:05] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird:  im still not sure where to type AR5211 :S.. if its any help, the laptop is a Toshiba A100 Portege, model; PPA10A-0002LP
[10:05] <cyberjorge> how do I install the Xen kernel for Ubuntu 9.10?
[10:06] <mnowluck> harm: after I did that it unpack the firefox db and it prompts me to restart my firefox
[10:06] <cyberjorge> hi om26er :)
[10:06] <mnowluck> and it will no longer start now
[10:06] <om26er> !xen
[10:08] <cyberjorge> om26er: I actually installed Ubuntu under Xenserver just want to install the Xen modules to Paravirtualize it.
[10:08] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, no help.  try 'lspci -vnn | grep 14e4' in terminal, look for something like AR5211 ..
[10:08] <nonexks> holy crap i just had to reboot ubuntu lol
[10:08] <aseko> hello
[10:08] <om26er> !hello | aseko
[10:09] <Flannel____> ubottu: hi
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[10:09] <q2> Where do I get help with the sound preferences?
[10:09] <Flannel____> Posey: i am fine
[10:09] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird:  ok, i typed 1spci -v | less into terminal, and the wifi says  CardBus bridge: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5212/AR5213 Multiprotocol MAC/baseband processor
[10:09] <Flannel____> I am the ops.
[10:09] <Nasten> Hi, how can i move my bottom panel to the right side of the screen?
[10:09] <Posey> Flannel____, arent you the ops here?
[10:09] <Flannel____> ikonia: u r amd
[10:10] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, that works too.  AR5212/5213 is the actual chipset you have
[10:10] <paissad-hp> hi all, i try to recompile tora package, but when i do "apt-get source tora", i have no "configure" word into debian/rules
[10:10] <paissad-hp> may someone who has a little time do an "apt-source tora"  and look where i must change theh configure options ?
[10:10] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird; that chipset is what i need ?
[10:10] <paissad-hp> thanks in advance
[10:11] <skitzo> hey guys im a bit lost i didn't realise there was a x64 of ubuntu.. all i saw on the ubuntu site was a x32 :(
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[10:11] <Posey> skitzo,
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[10:12] <ikonia> Flannel____: stop that now
[10:12] <ardchoille> Thank you ikonia
[10:13] <aseko> im looking for an ubuntu developer
[10:13] <jpds> aseko: Hi.
[10:13] <ikonia> aseko: what's the problem
[10:13] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, the info tells you if your specific chip is supported (looks like it is) and also helps configure it properly
[10:13] <aseko> no problem, i have a suggestion for be next lts release
[10:14] <om26er> aseko: brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[10:14] <jpds> aseko: File a wishlist bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[10:14] <aseko> thx guys
[10:14] <somebee> need to do anything special after deleting large files? I've deleted gigabytes of files, but ubuntu still reports the disk as being full (server)
[10:14] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: cool :) .. now i just need to confure it so i can get onto a wireless network ;S
[10:14] <skitzo> anybody? just dont wanna get to far along if im going to have to reinstall a x64 version of ubuntu
[10:15] <anon423> hi
[10:15] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, are you getting error msgs?
[10:15] <anon423> what exactly does developer files mean? is it the source?
[10:15] <nonexks> i wonder how many programers wow keeps on the books
[10:16] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: none that i can see... i just cant see the option in the Network settings to connect to a wiless network
[10:16] <q2> how do I get a list of commands for freenode, is says "/msg command" but I don't know any commands!
[10:16] <ardchoille> q2: /msg nickserv help
[10:16] <thehigherentity> can anyone point me to a working howto on getting mail-notification with ssl to work I have googled and tried a few of the ones that turned up but still have no working ssl (ubuntu 9.10)
[10:16] <vegombrei> hello ... i just got a new graphics card .. its a asus EAH 4890 ddr5 1 gb .. i need to know if i need any drivers of anysort to work this .. on booting it downloaded and installed ati drivers .. i guess thats it right ...
[10:17] <q2> ardchoille: when I enter that I get "Unsupported command"
[10:17] <om26er> q2: Install pidgin
[10:18] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird; if i got network settings, the only adapters i see are for etherenet and dial up modem
[10:18] <ardchoille> q2: which irc client are you using? that command works in several clients
[10:18] <om26er> q2: or anyother irc client, cuz empathy 2.28 don't support commands
[10:18] <q2> om26er: so, the command is fine it is the client I am using?
[10:18] <airtonix> anon423, yes but more specifically it is usually to provide bindings with other packages in order that they may compile properly
[10:19] <airtonix> !ot | nonexks
[10:19] <q2> om26er: Yes, empathy. And it has been a challenge. And my first experience with IRC and IM.
[10:19] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, do you have the network manager installed?
[10:19] <ardchoille> q2: First time IRC? I would recommend xchat
[10:19] <om26er> q2: irc commands will  be fixed in next release of empathy, in the mean time use some other client
[10:19] <airtonix> q2, you will benefit from irc more if you use xchat or irssi rather than pidgin or empathy
[10:20] <cark_> ?
[10:20] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: mmmm... not too sure :\
[10:20] <zamba> i'm having huge problems with my X server and performance while playing full screen youtube.. my graphic card is a Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller.. as far as i can tell i'm using the intel driver
[10:20]  * om26er thinks for basic irc chat client doesn't matter
[10:20] <cark_> alguien que hable español?
[10:20] <om26er> !es | cark_
[10:20] <q2> ardchoille and om26er: Cheers - I, do that.
[10:20] <cark_> oki gracias.
[10:21] <zamba> i have no xorg.conf and glxinfo segfaults
[10:22] <indus> zamba: well its empty generally in 9l10
[10:22] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, Applications/add.remove
[10:22] <zamba> indus: i'm running 9.04
[10:22]  * om26er says its not there
[10:22] <indus> zamba: what is your display
[10:22] <zamba> indus: the graphic card, you mean?
[10:22] <indus> zamba: yes
[10:22] <zamba> indus: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[10:22] <om26er> !music
[10:23] <indus> zamba: do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:23] <indus> zamba: then restart X
[10:23] <indus> zamba: i suggest moving to 9.10 a lot of fixes for intel
[10:23] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: network manager does have a tick next to it
[10:23] <indus> !intel
[10:23] <zamba> indus: oh!
[10:23] <indus> !intel | zamba
[10:23] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, is it on your taskbar?
[10:24] <subsam> need pro like idm in ubuntu
[10:24] <zamba> indus: how do i upgrade?
[10:24] <zamba> indus: i'm running lots of ubuntu computers in a network lab
[10:24] <zamba> indus: so i need to do this remotely, instead of going from computer to computer
[10:24] <indus> zamba: well, in update manager, you will find new release 9.10 available
[10:24] <subsam> need pro like idm in ubuntu
[10:24] <zamba> indus: can't run update manager
[10:24] <indus> zamba: why
[10:24] <zamba> indus: since i'm doing this remotely over ssh
[10:25] <subsam> need pro like idm in ubuntu
[10:25] <ardchoille> subsam: Can you elaborate on that please?
[10:25] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, as an icon?
[10:25] <om26er> !repeat | subsam
[10:25] <zamba> indus: and i'm going to do this on 40-50 computers at the same time
[10:25] <Slart> subsam: just ask your question
[10:25] <indus> zamba: ok wait 1 sec
[10:25] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: i did a search in add/rmove for network and saw it there. but, there is a "manual network configuration" icon near the clock..
[10:25] <om26er> subsam: try multiget.
[10:25] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: but opening that only shows ethernet and dialup modem devices
[10:26] <subsam> need pro cut the files to 4 , 8 ,16 peaces like idm in windows
[10:26] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, if it is checked then its already installed
[10:26] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, how about right click?
[10:26] <subsam> is there any pro like this in linux ?
[10:26] <om26er> is there a gui for xmms
[10:26] <om26er> xmms2
[10:27] <reverebeer> i installed the libapache2-mod-php5 package. php runs fine, but now i want to connect to mysql databases. my code is giving me "undefined function" fatal errors when trying to connect to my db. i've read that i need to compile php with the --with-mysql option for my build to have mysql support, but im using the mod-php5 package... i can't just rebuild it with this option. what should i do?
[10:27] <somebee> do you need to do anything special after deleting large files? I've deleted gigabytes of files, but ubuntu still reports the disk as being full (server)
[10:27] <Slart> somebee: empty the trash?
[10:27] <somebee> Slart: does rm put things into trash on ubuntu server?
[10:27] <Slart> somebee: or wait.. command line.. nevermind
[10:28] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: the ethernet is ticked.. that works all good.. using laptop on ethernet now.. hmm... right click gives me option to "edit wireless network"... no option to search or roam for a nearby one though.. i tihnk it'll only let me manually setup..
[10:28] <subsam> need the best download pro in linux /
[10:28] <subsam> ?
[10:28] <somebee> I have even deleted single files that were over 10GB each, and the server still reports 4GB available
[10:28] <Goliath> [12:27] <Goliath> I removed by mistake sudo with pacman. Whoever pacman saved /etc/sudoers as /etc/sudoers.pacsave, so when i installed again sudo i removed the new sudoers and used the old. But when i run a command using sudo i get this:
[10:28] <Goliath> [12:27] <Goliath> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0644, should be 0440
[10:28] <Goliath> [12:27] <Goliath> sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
[10:28] <Slart> somebee: no it doesn't.. unless someone has aliased rm to make some kind of homebrew trash feature
[10:28] <subsam> what is the best pro in download in ubuntu ?
[10:29] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: it's all greyed out in wireless options
[10:29] <Slart> Goliath: have you been editing your sudoers file?
[10:29] <subsam> what is the best downloading pro in ubuntu ?
[10:29] <airtonix> !best | subsam
[10:29] <ardchoille> !patience | subsam
[10:29] <indus> zamba: can you tell me your setup
[10:29] <Slart> subsam: to be quite honest I'm not sure I understand what you're looking for.. wget is nice for terminal downloading
[10:29] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, is there a box to 'enable networking' or 'enable wireless'?
[10:29] <zamba> indus: do-release-upgrade
[10:29] <zamba> indus: looks like the way to go
[10:29] <indus> zamba: yes works too
[10:30] <allister> can anyone help me with this window tearing problem im having?
[10:30] <zamba> indus: only problem is that i'm using an apt proxy
[10:30] <zamba> indus: and that seems to be blocking the upgrade
[10:30] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: yes, there's an 'enable networking' box, it's currently ticked
[10:30] <ZIv25> Hello , how can i cancel the ssh session time ? so i can leave the ssh connection open for unlimited time ?
[10:30] <airtonix> zamba, you also have the option of using a program that sends same terminal command at once to many machines
[10:30] <zamba> airtonix: yeah, going to use cluster-ssh
[10:30] <subsam> all this pros is so bord
[10:30] <subsam> board
[10:30] <indus> zamba: does the normal update process work?
[10:30] <zamba> indus: sure
[10:31] <airtonix> zamba, no i think its called something else, but if that works for you then thats good
[10:31] <Seveas> zamba, look at keyboardcast too
[10:31] <Slart> subsam: have a look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_download_managers
[10:31] <zamba> Seveas: oh.. is that 'better'?
[10:31] <subsam> i'm ask for fastest one
[10:31] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, but nothing for wireless?  ok
[10:31] <ardchoille> subsam: What is your native language? There may be a channel which is better suited for you.
[10:31] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: nope, nothing :S
[10:31] <Seveas> zamba, it's GTK so looks nicer, has a nice spawn option and an option to grab existing windows
[10:31] <zamba> Seveas: ah, ok
[10:32] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, seems it is not recognizing your chip yet ..
[10:32] <Seveas> so I consider it better :)
[10:32] <naaxaa> hi! a not really ubuntu related question... after i've downloaded a source code in a tgz or via svn, how can I "convert" it to build and work with it in an IDE, e.g. CodeBlocks,Visual Studio, Netbeans, etc. they are always creating something called "project"... but what to do with the plain source files. how is this "conversion" called
[10:32] <subsam> sry .  i don't speak inglish well
[10:32] <subsam> forgivin if is there any mistack
[10:32] <ardchoille> subsam: No problem, what is your native language?
[10:32] <Diverdude> Does there exist a program for ubuntu that will group all tasks in the taskpane, so that e.g. all terminals will be grouped together, all browsers will be grouped together etc. ?
[10:32] <subsam> arabic
[10:33] <allister> is anyone willing to talk to me in private chat to help me with some GUI issues?
[10:33] <Slart> naaxaa: not entirely sure you can do it, generally speaking
[10:33] <indus> allister: ask here is good
[10:33] <airtonix> zamba, i think it might of been dsh
[10:33] <ardchoille> subsam: you might want to look at gwget
[10:33] <airtonix> !info dsh | zamba
[10:34] <subsam> not good
[10:34] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: anything i can try to check if its online, or maybe uninstall and re-detect ?
[10:34] <allister> well i was fixing my wireless issues, and when i finally found a solution and install the stuff, after i restarted, my screen has almost no framerate
[10:34] <allister> windows tear really badly if i try to move them
[10:34] <allister> so does scrolling anything
[10:34] <cobhcf82> Hi guys, is there an javascript SDK for eclipse? I know jeclipse exixts but i am not sure if it is available for ubuntu karmic
[10:34] <allister> and images wont load on webpages
[10:34] <subsam> like the others
[10:35] <indus> allister:is visual effects on
[10:35] <subsam> i need somthing like dab or idm
[10:35] <allister> no
[10:35] <airtonix> zamba, you also have these two commands (somewhere) : http://www.stearns.org/fanout/README.html
[10:35] <allister> it wont let me even enable visual effects
[10:35] <subsam> cut the files and get the fastest download speed
[10:35] <allister> ive authorized my driver and everything
[10:35] <naaxaa> Slart: really? so how does open source programming work if I can't open the code easily?
[10:35] <allister> and i dont have compiz running either
[10:36] <Diverdude> Does there exist a program for ubuntu that will group all tasks in the taskpane, so that e.g. all terminals will be grouped together, all browsers will be grouped together etc. ?
[10:36] <Slart> naaxaa: you mean.. how does open source programmers survive without a fancy IDE or similar?
[10:36] <ardchoille> Diverdude: you can right click the task bar and choose to group in the prefs
[10:37] <Slart> naaxaa: use a text editor.. emacs, vi(m), gedit... any of those will work
[10:37] <naaxaa> Slart: well I don't like IDEs but I am confused: how does a source tarball and an IDE project comes together
[10:37] <skitzo> hey guys im a bit lost with the grub loader at startup theres a couple versions of ubuntu.. which is the correct one to load and how can i clean it up so i can only pick the correct ubuntu version and windows?
[10:37] <indus> !who | allister
[10:37] <Slart> !code | naaxaa
[10:37] <airtonix> subsam, firefox plugin i use called downthemall, you might like it (lets you download one file with multiple threads)
[10:38] <Diverdude> ardchoille, hmmm i dont see that option
[10:38] <cobhcf82> skitzo:, I have the same question.
[10:38] <subsam> excuse, me every body , i need a download pro like idm or dab in ubuntu ?
[10:38] <ardchoille> Diverdude: right click the left edge of the taskbar applet, choose preferences and then choose grouping
[10:38] <skitzo> cobhcf82, ITS ANNOYING AYE!
[10:38] <Slart> naaxaa: unless the developers themselves use a certain IDE I'm not sure you can.. many use text editors of different kinds
[10:38] <subsam> thanx dude bt this is a very normal program
[10:38] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, maybe try rebooting if you haven't.  and check here for more .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[10:38] <naaxaa> Slart: ok thanks :) so I see this is not an easy task after all?
[10:38] <airtonix> naaxaa, open source programmers work with their projects the same way any other group of programmers do.
[10:39] <cobhcf82> skitzo: yup, no idea on how to clean it up.
[10:39] <Diverdude> ardchoille, ahhh yes there it is
[10:39] <Diverdude> coool :D thanks
[10:39] <ardchoille> yw
[10:39] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, i'm not sure how you loaded drivers, so not sure which parts of that page will apply
[10:39] <airtonix> naaxaa, also : why do you need to 'open the code'
[10:39] <cobhcf82> skitzo: when I installed there was only 3 version. but since then one week has passed and suddenly one more appeared out of nowhere. lol
[10:39] <Slart> naaxaa: nope.. have a look at the make files and autoconf.. I think those are pretty common.. both can be used with plain text editors
[10:39] <naaxaa> airtonix: ok it's not about opensource or not, my question is if you have a bunch of source files but you don't have a project file, how do you build your project
[10:39] <ardchoille> cobhcf82: that happens with a kernel update
[10:39] <Newbie-Widget> river: ok, thank you anyway, you've been great help ;) .. ill check out that link and try rebooting
[10:40] <Newbie-Widget> :)
[10:40] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: i mean :)
[10:40] <cobhcf82> ardchoille: how do I do a kernel update? i am quite new to ubuntu
[10:40] <naaxaa> Slart: yeah I know. but there are projects out there without them. how do those people do it?
[10:40] <ardchoille> cobhcf82: just make sure your system is kept up to date
[10:41] <airtonix> naaxaa, understood, 1) you typically get the source files from the projects website ( they usually have a revision control server setup) 2) you obtain latest set of files with the CVS/git/bazzar/etc client 3) then you make a new project in your IDE of choice 4) point the projets root dir a the root dir of the files you just sync'd
[10:41] <Slart> naaxaa: I'm just going to repeat myself....  they   use    a   simple   text   editor =)
[10:41] <cobhcf82> ardchoille: yeah, i run the update manager every 3,4 days
[10:41] <zebastian> can ubuntu be put into an iphone touch 3gs?
[10:41] <Slart> naaxaa: (simple text editor might be something huuge and complex like emacs.. but still)
[10:41] <ardchoille> cobhcf82: that will do it. But the fact that you now have a new kernel "from no where" is because of a kernel update
[10:41] <cobhcf82> ah ok
[10:42] <naaxaa> airtonix: aah.... that's it! I would never tried it couse i were affraid that i overwrite it :D
[10:42] <cobhcf82> archoille: why is there 3,4 version of ubuntu on the GRUB loader though? how can i clean up the old ones?
[10:42] <skitzo> ardchoille, so which kernel should we pick when choosing? which is the latest?
[10:42] <cobhcf82> ardchoille: why is there 3,4 version of ubuntu on the GRUB loader though? how can i clean up the old ones?
[10:42] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, that page should help.  check the blacklists and isntalled packages.  also read the forum post
[10:42] <Slart> naaxaa: you open a source file.. edit it the way you want it.. save it.. then use a terminal for compiling, building or whatever you want to do
[10:42] <naaxaa> airtonix, Slart : thanks!
[10:42] <Newbie-Widget> riverbird: will do, thanks again :)
[10:42] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, alternately, get a pc card w/ better support -
[10:43] <skitzo> ardchoille, and can we edit the unused ones out to clean it up
[10:43] <naaxaa> Slart: yeah I know this method but i never get it how to do it with an ide
[10:43] <riverbird> Newbie-Widget, hah!
[10:43] <AlexanderSupertr> kubuntu questions answered here?
[10:43] <ardchoille> cobhcf82: skitzo , I don't usually mess with kernels and so am not qualified to give proper advice. I just keep them all.
[10:43] <AlexanderSupertr> how do i rearrange order of widgets on default kde panel?
[10:43] <naaxaa> Slart, airtonix : thank you very much! now I've gotta go. bye!
[10:43] <ardchoille> cobhcf82: skitzo , The latest one will have the highest version number, I do know that
[10:43] <skitzo> ardchoille, so is there any real difference between them?
[10:43] <cobhcf82> ardchoille: thanks man, its not problem for me. Just annoying to go past 6,7 lines to select win 7. :-D
[10:44] <ardchoille> skitzo: yes, could be bug fixes and/or security updates
[10:44] <skitzo> ardchoille, thanks anyway
[10:44] <ardchoille> cobhcf82: yes, I agree. There are folks here that can help you clean them up so keep trying
[10:44] <Guest99294> hi
[10:45] <cobhcf82> ardchoille: thanks mate. will do.
[10:46] <cobhcf82> guys, does anyone know of a javascript IDE for eclipse in ubuntu karmic? I am not sure if jeclipse works on ubuntu.
[10:46] <jadakren> cobhcf82, aptana
[10:46] <cobhcf82> sorry not IDE, its SDK
[10:46] <jadakren> cobhcf82, you mean javascript gtk bindings ?
[10:47] <cobhcf82> jadakren: I have eclipse galileo, was wondering if I can can create javascript with that. I know jeclipse sdk let users build javascript with eclipse.
[10:47] <zebastian> ubuntu on iphone touch?
[10:47] <kraut> moin
[10:47] <jadakren> cobhcf82, you don't compile javascript
[10:48] <cobhcf82> jadakren, but I would like some kind of sdk to complete lines etc.
[10:48] <jadakren> cobhcf82, aptana does this ( i dont know about or use eclipse )
[10:48] <Guest99294> can't(technically) ubuntu be on a itouch through the broches emu?
[10:48] <Guest99294> *can
[10:48] <allister> Is there anyone who might be able to help me troubleshoot why ive been having some really bad video problems?
[10:49] <cobhcf82> jadakren: ok, then it should come in handy. I will look into downloading that. thanks mate.
[10:49] <jadakren> cobhcf82, http://www.aptana.org/studio/download
[10:50] <cobhcf82> jadakren: looks like they aptana has an eclipse plugin. this is great. :)
[10:50] <Guest99294> nvm
[10:50] <indus> allister: what is the output of lspci
[10:51] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[10:51] <cobhcf82> hello....
[10:52] <riverbird> zebastian, nope
[10:52] <zebastian> riverbird: but i can use an iphone with my ubuntu os right tho? like transfer files from my laptop
[10:53] <ShapeShifter499> how do I back up my entire ubuntu system to another computer as a file(the dd command?) through ssh or other wireless connection? I need to do this cuz the computer with ubuntu needs to be fixed and I need to put win 7 on it to send it in
[10:53] <nonexks> what is the command to tell me what version of ubuntu is currently runing on a linux box
[10:53] <DJones> !version | nonexks
[10:53] <JoeBorg> I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg
[10:53] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[10:53] <nonexks> ty
[10:54] <stanley_robertso> iam new to this ubuntu.. can somebody suggest me.. which channel i should go as a newebie ?
[10:54] <DJones> stanley_robertso: You're in the right channel, if you've got questions, just ask them
[10:54] <stanley_robertso> i would like to contribute to ubuntu development.. is there any such facility ?
[10:55] <nonexks> ok its runing 8..04 if i wanted to update to 9.10 is there a way to do that with out messing up any of my configs
[10:55] <DJones> !contibute | stanley_robertso
[10:55] <stanley_robertso> DJones, i didnot get you
[10:55] <dAlfa89_> !contribute | stanley_robertso
[10:55] <riverbird> zebastian, not really.  some pics+, no music tmk
[10:56] <nonexks> !ubuntu upgrade
[10:56] <riverbird> zebastian, check the forums for detail
[10:56] <dAlfa89_> !upgrade | nonexks
[10:56] <DJones> stanley_robertso: Ignore that, I thought that was the prod to get the bot to tell you how to get involved, but i spelt it wrong, dAlfa89_ got the right one
[10:56] <ats> hi
[10:56] <jadakren> nonexks, not if you haven't prepared properly for it prior to installing your current version
[10:56] <nonexks> k ty
[10:57] <acid> how to check last package being updated / upgraded ? is there any command to do so
[10:57] <crushy> hi
[10:57] <DEViUS> hi to all, my ubuntu has become slow after i installed wine and some stuff from winetricks, can someone help me
[10:57] <legend2440> acid: open synaptic>file>history
[10:57] <allister> indus: the output is giving alot of stuff
[10:58] <acid> legend2440: thanks
[10:58] <allister> indus: what exactly are you looking for?
[10:58] <acid> legend2440: any command line for such ?
[10:58] <legend2440> acid: if there is i dont know it
[10:59] <Ademan> what's the pypy package name again?
[10:59] <acid> legend2440: ok
[11:01] <guestable> asd
[11:02] <DEViUS> hi to all, my ubuntu has become slow after i installed wine and some stuff from winetricks, can someone help me
[11:03] <nonexks> ok so i dont see anything on that page about preparing upgrades
[11:03] <riverbird> nonexks, i would wait. for 10.04 - you will be able to direct upgrade from 8.04
[11:03] <nonexks> how long till that comes out
[11:04] <riverbird> nonexks, to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.10 you would have to upgrade through all the releases in between
[11:05] <riverbird> nonexks, 10.04  aka 2010 april
[11:05] <nonexks> neet ... thanks
[11:05] <riverbird> nonexks, de nada
[11:06] <nonexks> well im out thanks for the info
[11:07] <HaskellLove> i installed itunes on ubuntu how do i turn it on now? where is it installed?
[11:07] <HaskellLove> i used wine
[11:07] <CShadowRun> HaskellLove: applications > wine > programs > itunes ?
[11:07] <HaskellLove> CShadowRun>	it is not there
[11:09] <blinkiz> Hi. I have problem installing the program Chandler from the deb file for jaunty. It complains it can not find "python-zopeinterface" in my ubuntu karmic installation. the package was renamed in karmic and is now !
[11:09] <ardchoille> blinkiz: it's a very bad idea to mix releases packages like that
[11:10] <blinkiz> Hi. I have problem installing the program Chandler from the deb file for jaunty. It complains it can not find "python-zopeinterface" in my ubuntu karmic installation. the package was renamed in karmic and is now "python-zope.interface". How can I fix this without having to rebuild the deb package?
[11:10] <ShapeShifter499> how do I back up my entire ubuntu system to another computer as a file(the dd command?) through ssh or other wireless connection? I need to do this cuz the computer with ubuntu needs to be fixed and I need to put win 7 on it to send it in
[11:10] <riverbird> i think we've been overrun by trolls ..
[11:10] <steveire_> I've just done sudo aptitude install libhibernate3-java{,-doc}
[11:10] <steveire_> But how do I actually get the docs now?
[11:11] <HaskellLove> i installed itunes on ubuntu with wine how do i turn it on now? where is it installed?
[11:11] <jianzhen3> I wan't to run a program using command ,but when I put the program's name in the box,nothing was happened,what can I do?
[11:12] <ardchoille> riverbird: you may be right :(
[11:12] <crushy> how to setup networking in windows xen guest
[11:12] <jianzhen3> I find the programm's name was not the bin type file's name
[11:13] <indus> allister: hi
[11:13] <indus> allister: did you finish?
[11:13] <riverbird> ardchoille, hey look.  two real people and no real problems .. not bad
[11:13] <HaskellLove> i installed itunes on ubuntu with wine how do i turn it on now? where is it installed?
[11:13] <ardchoille> hehe
[11:13] <potato2> .h
[11:13] <jianzhen3> but how can I find the bin type file 's name ?
[11:13] <jianzhen3> can anyone help me?
[11:14] <ardchoille> !repeat
[11:14] <indus> jianzhen3: hello
[11:14] <indus> jianzhen3: what is this program
[11:14] <allister> indus: I did it and restarted, and it is still having the same problem
[11:15] <indus> allister: did you install from hardware drivers?
[11:15] <allister> indus: yes
[11:15] <indus> allister: show me a screenshot of the hardware drivers window
[11:15] <indus> !paste | allister
[11:16] <HaskellLove> what is the ubuntu equal of this windows command: ipconfig /flushdns
[11:16] <free_> logout
[11:16] <Black_Phantom> what is the most lightweight desktop envir. ?
[11:16] <HaskellLove> free_?
[11:16] <CShadowRun> Black_Phantom: maybe lxde or xfce
[11:16] <larsaa> Black_Phantom: openbox
[11:17] <ardchoille> Black_Phantom: I would say xfce, but there are window managers that are even lighter, likfe openbox
[11:17] <ardchoille> s/likfe/like/
[11:17] <DjAngo23> Can I change the time a notification appears on the screen (i'm using Gnome, so it should be gnome-notify right ?)
[11:17] <Black_Phantom> coz i have this crappy celeron
[11:17] <ardchoille> Black_Phantom: I use Window Maker, it's quite small and fast
[11:17] <TeLLuS> ShapeShifter499: tar or dd or partImage or ddrescue. http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/backup
[11:17] <larsaa> Black_Phantom: enlightenment
[11:18] <Black_Phantom> larsaa: enlightenment is lighter than openbox?
[11:18] <ardchoille> Black_Phantom: fluxbox is also quite popular
[11:19] <Black_Phantom> damn there are many
[11:19] <Spajderix> hi
[11:19] <ardchoille> Black_Phantom: http://xwinman.org
[11:19] <Spajderix> do you know any software that can emulate access point without Master mode in wireless device?
[11:19] <jianzhen3> indus: for example, the video player
[11:19] <larsaa> Black_Phantom: nah, as ardchoille mentioned, openbox is just a window manager...
[11:20] <jah> yahoo
[11:20] <jianzhen3> for example,the vedio player
[11:20] <Black_Phantom> so what do you suggest for a dusty celeron ?
[11:20] <jianzhen3> indus:for example,the vedio player
[11:21] <ardchoille> Black_Phantom: You really should try a few and see which works best for your needs
[11:21] <Black_Phantom> ardchoille oh ok thanks man:)
[11:22] <DjAngo23> Can I change the time a notification appears on the screen (i'm using Gnome, so it should be gnome-notify right ?)
[11:22] <Black_Phantom> one more thing, i will just for example: apt-get install enlightement
[11:22] <Black_Phantom> ?
[11:22] <Black_Phantom> and i will find them in the login screen options ?
[11:23] <frogzoo> probably
[11:23] <blinkiz> How do I remove a package without removing other packages that depends on that package? Yes, I know I will break things..
[11:23] <allister> indus: did you recieve the link?
[11:24] <ardchoille> Black_Phantom: yes
[11:24] <Black_Phantom> cool thanks
[11:24] <ardchoille> Black_Phantom: Any desktops or window managers should put an option in the login screen sessions list
[11:24] <ShapeShifter499> TeLLuS: that link you gave, can I use dd_restore over a internet conection?
[11:25] <ShapeShifter499> TeLLuS: I mean dd_rescue
[11:25] <ardchoille> Black_Phantom: be aware that window managers, like fluxbox and enlightenment, are a bit different from full desktop environments like xfce or gnome
[11:25] <Black_Phantom> incase I didnt like them i will just switch back to gnome
[11:26] <ardchoille> Black_Phantom: your celeron will like window managers :)
[11:26] <Black_Phantom> lol:)
[11:28] <TED111222> zzzzzzzzz
[11:28] <TED111222> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[11:29] <Seveas> TED111222, WAKE UP! :P
[11:29] <ardchoille> TED111222: Please stop
[11:29] <TED111222> hihihihih
[11:29] <TED111222> i got bored
[11:29] <Seveas> TED111222, www.bash.org is a cure for the bored. See also what ubottu is about to say
[11:29] <dare> hi, I just installed the nautilus-dbg package but 'gdb nautilus' says debug symbols still not found
[11:29] <Seveas> !ot | TED111222
[11:30] <TED111222> ok, question:
[11:30] <gp> hello my laptop Mother board just went off ...how do i recover my data
[11:30] <TED111222> anyone have experience in opengts
[11:30] <TED111222> ?
[11:30] <docmax> hello, where do i set default filetype associations?
[11:31] <gp> i was using ecryptfs
[11:31] <docmax> hello, where do i set default programs for filetype?
[11:31] <gp> my home directory was encrypted
[11:31] <ardchoille> docmax: right click a file, choose Properties, go to the "Open With" tab and set it
[11:31] <gp> PL HELP !! to recoovrer my data
[11:31] <docmax> i can choose "open with..." but cannot set anything permanently
[11:32] <jpds> gp: Backup?
[11:32] <gp> no backup unfortunately
[11:32] <gp> but hdd is working
[11:32] <TED111222> gp: run the live cd and try to get your data back
[11:32] <gp> how
[11:32] <gp> ??
[11:32] <aaron11> Amaranth: Its not good to stay ops all the time as freenode says
[11:32] <TED111222> download ubuntu and burn it on a disc
[11:33] <docmax> ardchoille, ?
[11:33] <TED111222> plug the disc in your disc drive
[11:33] <yacc> Just wondering, has anyone why my system sometimes does not start all services?
[11:33] <gp> how do i recover data from encrypted home directory ?????????
[11:33] <dare> aaron11: indeed, persistent op status is as dangerous as "sudo su"!!
[11:33] <gp> how how how
[11:33] <yacc> I've noticed that when I manage to start all crypt discs, it starts up fine.
[11:33] <dare> i.e. not very =p
[11:34] <yacc> If I do not manage to start all crypt discs in time, I get a gdm session, but for example mysql, tor, ... are not running.
[11:34] <gp> please in the name of giant pand help me
[11:34] <yacc> gp: you have the key?
[11:34] <gp> what key
[11:34] <sealive> Hi quest over wubi  can i install kubuntu offline  what cd do i need to do so
[11:34] <yacc> And no text mode gettys running either.
[11:35] <yacc> gp: well the key that was used to encrypt your data?
[11:35] <aaron11> dare: Lol! Maybey he is on his mad side
[11:35] <gp> maybe
[11:35] <NickRiviera> HI EVERYBODY!
[11:35] <yacc> if you have, then just use it. If no, then no, there is no way to restore your data.
[11:36] <docmax> how do i set default programs for filetypes? i can choose "open with..." but cannot set anything *permanently* - any ideas?
[11:36] <gp> when inserted the harddisk into another system ...it asked to me to run ecrypts-private-mout that asked me for password
[11:36] <NickRiviera> I have a rather noob question... I've noticed many services run under their own user/group; but when I look in the User Settings, I cannot see those users. I can see the groups, but no users. Why?
[11:36] <kinja-sheep> docmax: Right-click on the file and change settings in Properties.
[11:36] <yacc> Nickmman, system users.
[11:36] <yacc> NickRiviera, system users.
[11:36] <sealive> someone can help me with some basics over wubi
[11:37] <yacc> Nickmman, sorry, wrongly tabbed.
[11:37] <gp> i entered password but it gave messege like inserted some in keyring etc
[11:37] <gp> but didnt mount anything
[11:37] <NickRiviera> yaaar, I immagined that. And how are they flagged 'system'? How can I manage them?
[11:37] <yacc> gp can you click on it in Nautilus?
[11:37] <NickRiviera> yaaar, np
[11:38] <yacc> NickRiviera, you do not manage them, usually, and they are flagged by having a low uid.
[11:38] <gp> no my system boot in readonly file system
[11:38] <yacc> NickRiviera, the system manages them by itself.
[11:38] <gp> so i got read only root shell access
[11:38] <yacc> gp: then you need to fix that first.
[11:38] <yacc> gp: why did it boot into readonly mode only?
[11:38] <gp> its gives some ecrypt error then boots into root shell
[11:38] <yacc> Is there a way to increase the time the system waits for the root filesystem and others?
[11:38] <NickRiviera> yacc, Ok, suppose I need to change the user under which mysql runs (from mysql to sql). Is that too much of a hassle?
[11:39] <yacc> NickRiviera, Why would you want that to do?
[11:39] <NickRiviera> yacc  I don't, but suppose I did.
[11:39] <yacc> NickRiviera, And yes, it's almost not worth it, because all kinds of system scripts will probably break.
[11:39] <devD> whenever I try to install anything it shows this http://is.gd/5pQKl
[11:39] <NickRiviera> yacc, since they all know mysql runs under user mysql...
[11:40] <Stormcr0w> Hi everyone. I have upgraded from 8.10 to 9.10 and my usplash screen has stayed the same. How can I upgrade it, so that it displays the latest official usplash screen?
[11:40] <NjA> Hello, im building a ATi Radeon driver http://ccite.dk/xorg.conf but i cant get compiz to work any suggestions
[11:40] <yacc> NickRiviera, exactly, all packages that need to have their own user manage them with the provided automatic tools.
[11:40] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[11:40] <NickRiviera> yacc, is it possible to login as one such user?
[11:41] <docmax> kinja-sheep, thanks
[11:41] <NickRiviera> yacc for instance, login as mysql?
[11:41] <yacc> NickRiviera, sudo su -s /bin/sh mysql
[11:41] <yacc> but no, usually you cannot just login into such users.
[11:41] <NickRiviera> yacc can you break that down?
[11:41] <yacc> sudo => get root
[11:41] <NjA> http://ccite.dk/xorg.conf - No compiz, any suggestions
[11:41] <yacc> su change user
[11:42] <NickRiviera> those I knew... ;)