[01:51] <PCLine__> Hello everyone.
[01:52] <Unit193> Howdy.
[01:54] <PCLine_> Hello Unit193 - How things with you today?
[01:54] <Unit193> Pizza for supper, so that'd be good.
[01:55] <PCLine_> I dont know the correct term for what we had but we call it Goulash.   and it was great.
[03:07] <Unit193> Rebuilding my own archive to officially add bionic, since libssl1.1 is in and boost libs too.  Generally speaking one can just kind of have it overlay, buuuut.
[03:07] <Unit193> (And it'd still work, mind you, but figure may as well do it now.)
[04:42] <Unit193> PCLine__: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23ubuntu-us-oh.html just in case you wanted to read the rambling you missed. ;P
[04:42] <jenni> [ Index of /latest ] - https://bit.ly/2H9o2Ud
[12:51] <dzho> good morning ubuntu buckeyes
[12:53] <Unit193> Hi.
[23:48] <PCLine_> Good evening
[23:48] <Unit193> Howdy.
[23:50] <niLCP__> Grrrrrr
[23:51] <niLCP__> yesterday a Blue Screen today 3 Disconnects before I even sit down!


[05:16] <chesedo> Morning all
[08:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[14:58] <chesedo> Home time :(
[14:59] <chesedo> Enjoy your weekend all
[19:52] <inetpro> lekker naweek chesedo


[04:46] <lifeless> does maas still run the installer, or does it dd/rsync on a cloud image? [or did it always do that?]


[09:58] <jamespage> LarsErikP: I'm currently working through a Caracal milestone; I'd hope to look at a set of SRU's for any new point releases in about 2 weeks time
[12:30] <LarsErikP> jamespage: great! thanks =)


[06:50] <wingedrhino> OvenWerks: everything I see seems to be to improve your skills when you already know some piano or musical notation. Haven't really come across an app that you can ask someone with a midi controller to use and figure out piano on their own!
[06:50] <wingedrhino> But yes I should ask around a little more.
[07:19] <OvenWerks> I can imagine. Been playing for 50 years... I know what the notes mean... but sight read? Not a chance. Somethingabout being dyslexic
[15:34] <Guest47319> good morning
[15:37] <Guest47319> I am running ubuntu studio 20.04 and have 2 hard drives my 2nd drive keeps going into ro read only not sure if whole drive or just files on drive


[07:42] <pleia2> hexmode: did you find someone to upload php-validate? I'm not a DD but I can probably find someone to nudge it along if you need me to (I have some I need to get uploaded too, he's at OSCON this week figured I'd nudge my DD about yours then too)
[07:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:54] <pleia2> g'day MooDoo
[07:54] <MooDoo> hay pleia2 how are you?
[07:54] <pleia2> doing well :) you?
[07:55] <MooDoo> yes i'm fine thanks :D
[17:37] <hexmode> pleia2: I need someone
[17:38] <hexmode> pleia2: so any nudging would be helpful :)
[17:38] <pleia2> hexmode: ok, I'll see what I can do :)
[17:38] <hexmode> czajkowski: I need to put you in touch with the IT guy for wikimedia
[17:39] <hexmode> he tells me they're trying to move to Linux on the desktop
[17:39] <czajkowski> ohhh
[17:39] <czajkowski> yes please
[17:40] <hexmode> His name is Jeff.  Lemme get his contact info
[17:41] <hexmode> czajkowski: just looking over his internal staff page: "Goal is to have at least 33% of employees running Linux as their primary operating system by end of 2010 Fiscal Q1"
[17:42] <czajkowski> hexmode: thanks
[17:43] <hexmode> PM'd you his contact info
[17:43] <hexmode> I'll try to let him know you're gonna contact him
[17:44] <hexmode> oh, hes at OSCON this week
[17:44] <czajkowski> thanks
[18:04] <hexmode> czajkowski: out of (ignorant) curiousity is your name polish?
[18:05] <hexmode> (just got back from Poland a week ago is why I ask)
[18:43] <czajkowski> hexmode: it's polish
[18:43] <czajkowski> but I'm irish, grandfather was polish


[07:51] <vila> jam, mgz: Hi there ! We are severely affected by bug #1200267 to the point where people feel discouraged to write integration tests. The bug description perfectly capture our use case, yet, the importance is 'Low'. What's your pov on that ?
[07:51] <_mup_> Bug #1200267: Expose when stable state is reached <canonical-is> <canonical-webops> <papercut> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200267>
[07:52] <vila> jam, mgz: Don't get me wrong, I realize you may have more urgent issues but I'd like to understand what can be expected from juju or amulet in the short term
[10:08] <jam1> vila: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1XZN2Wnqlag9je73mGqk-Qs9tx1gvOH0-wxMwrlDrQU4/edit#heading=h.mqzqdofq7hgv is a spec that we worked on for having charms be able to report when they've finish what they're working on to report "ready".
[10:08] <jam1> also some discussion on it here: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1XZN2Wnqlag9je73mGqk-Qs9tx1gvOH0-wxMwrlDrQU4/edit#heading=h.9euay17obra7
[10:08] <jam1> I believe it falls under "Observability" which is tasked to Tanzanite (wallyworld's team)
[10:08] <jam1> but later in this cycle
[10:08] <jam1> say 3 months out or so
[10:08]  * wallyworld_ takes note
[10:09] <vila> wallyworld_: you're on my radar now ;-D
[10:09] <wallyworld_> \o/
[10:09] <vila> jam1: thanks ! /me reads
[10:09] <jam1> wallyworld_: is it accurate to say that "charm status" is on your work items?
[10:10] <jam1> I was trying to sort through all the stuff that we discussed and if it actually got scheduled
[10:10] <wallyworld_> it's all a bit open ended, but it can be if it's considered important
[10:11] <jam1> wallyworld_: I certainly know people who want it, the main question is relative importance
[10:11] <jam1> "observability" got scheduled to you, but I think it covers a lot of items
[10:11] <wallyworld_> yep. i've reached out to stakeholders (dan, antonio, kapil etc) to ask for input
[10:12] <jam1> wallyworld_: there is also https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1254766 sounds dupe-ish
[10:12] <_mup_> Bug #1254766: unit "started" status is unhelpful <cloud-installer> <hooks> <landscape> <relations> <status> <usability> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1254766>
[10:12] <vila> jam1: so that would be the 'ready/unready' hooks in 'State, status, charm reporting' ?... Hmm, right, may be more even in that section
[10:12] <jam1> there was also a separate discussion about an "idle" indicator, separate from charm health
[10:12] <wallyworld_> yes, we did discuss that
[10:13] <wallyworld_> our todo lists is not yet fully formed
[10:14] <vila> jam1: anyway, you've perfectly answered, thanks
[10:14] <vila> wallyworld_: ETA please !
[10:14] <vila> :-D
[10:14] <vila> wallyworld_: kidding ;)
[10:14] <wallyworld_> lol
[10:15] <gnuoy> I'm trying to debug an issue with juju not bootstrapping on openstack. Running in debug mode I see it retrieving the json with the image list but then "index has no matching records". What I don't see in the debug is a statement of what key is being used to do the lookup. I'm asking for a trusty amd64 image, I see trusty amd64 images listed so I'm not sure where to go from here
[10:15] <wallyworld_> vila: we're finishing up on the github migration and some other feature work eg availability zones. next we'll be looking at what customer facing issues / bugs we should target
[10:16] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: what version of juju?
[10:17] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, 1.18.4-trusty-amd64
[10:17] <wallyworld_> private cloud? or do you have access to http://streams.canonical.com/?
[10:18] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, private cloud and I  believe the list in our cloud is updated daily so something could have gone wrong in the simplestream update process. But from what I can see it all looks good
[10:19] <vila> wallyworld_: I'm subscribed to bug #1254766 and bug #1200267 and officially nominate them to be my 3 wishes ;-D
[10:19] <_mup_> Bug #1254766: unit "started" status is unhelpful <cloud-installer> <hooks> <landscape> <relations> <status> <usability> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1254766>
[10:19] <_mup_> Bug #1200267: Expose when stable state is reached <canonical-is> <canonical-webops> <papercut> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1200267>
[10:19] <wallyworld_> sure, np, thanks for the input
[10:19] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638201/
[10:20] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: what does "juju metadata validate-images" say?
[10:21] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638212/
[10:22] <gnuoy> line 54 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638201/ shows a "trusty 14.04 amd64" entry
[10:22] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: if you look inside your index.json file, does it have data for region "serverstack" and endpoint " http://<IP_ADDRESS>:5000/v2.0" ?
[10:23] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, yes, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638231/
[10:24] <wallyworld_> can you paste the whole file?
[10:24] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, sure
[10:25] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638235/
[10:26] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: and you have daily streams configured?
[10:27] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, sorry, I don't understand. The data is updated daily, is that what you're asking ?
[10:28] <jam1> gnuoy: there are often 2 different streams
[10:28] <jam1> "released"
[10:28] <jam1> and "daily"
[10:28] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: simestreams uses a stream type eg daily or released to distinguish images
[10:28] <wallyworld_> com.ubuntu.cloud.daily:server:14.04:amd64
[10:28] <jam1> you have to configure "image-stream: daily" in order to get daily streams
[10:28] <wallyworld_> is the key in the index file
[10:28] <wallyworld_> what jam1 said
[10:28] <wallyworld_> your index file contains daily images
[10:29] <wallyworld_> so juju needs to be told thst
[10:29] <wallyworld_> or else it looks for released images by default
[10:29] <gnuoy> ah, so in environments.yaml  ?
[10:29] <gnuoy> Yes, I have that set
[10:29] <wallyworld_> yup
[10:31] <wallyworld_> hmmm
[10:33] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: looks like it can only find 1.18.3 tools
[10:33] <wallyworld_> 2014-06-13 10:05:40 DEBUG juju.environs.simplestreams simplestreams.go:883 metadata: &{map[com.ubuntu.juju:12.04:i386:{ 1.15.0 i386   map[20140603:0xc2100f1d20]} com.ubuntu.juju:13.04:amd64:{ 1.14.1 amd64   map[20140603:0xc210106120]} com.ubuntu.juju:13.10:amd64:{ 1.14.1 amd64   map[20140603:0xc210106360]} com.ubuntu.juju:14.04:amd64:{ 1.16.2 amd64   map[20140603:0xc2101065a0]} com.ubuntu.juju:14.10:amd64:{ 1.18.2 amd64
[10:33] <wallyworld_> map[20140603:0xc210106a80]} com.ubuntu.juju:14.10:arm64:{ 1.19.2 arm64   map[20140603:0xc210106ba0]} com.ubuntu.juju:14.10:i386:{ 1.18.2 i386   map[20140603:0xc210106cc0]} com.ubuntu.juju:14.10:ppc64:{ 1.19.2 ppc64   map[20140603:0xc210106de0]} com.ubuntu.juju:12.04:amd64:{ 1.14.1 amd64   map[20140603:0xc2100f1c00]} com.ubuntu.juju:13.10:i386:{ 1.15.0 i386   map[20140603:0xc210106480]} com.ubuntu.juju:14.04:i386:{ 1.16.2 i386
[10:33] <wallyworld_> map[20140603:0xc210106840]} com.ubuntu.juju:12.10:amd64:{ 1.14.1 amd64   map[20140603:0xc2100f1ea0]} com.ubuntu.juju:12.10:i386:{ 1.15.0 i386   map[20140603:0xc210106000]} com.ubuntu.juju:13.04:i386:{ 1.15.0 i386   map[20140603:0xc210106240]} com.ubuntu.juju:14.04:arm64:{ 1.17.2 arm64   map[20140603:0xc210106720]} com.ubuntu.juju:14.04:ppc64:{ 1.19.2 ppc64   map[20140603:0xc210106960]}] map[] Tue, 03 Jun 2014 08:02:36 +0000 products:1.0
[10:33] <wallyworld_> com.ubuntu.juju:released:tools}
[10:33] <wallyworld_> 2014-06-13 10:05:40 INFO juju.environs.bootstrap bootstrap.go:58 picked newest version: 1.18.3
[10:33] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, and that would effect its ability to find the right disk image ?
[10:34] <wallyworld_> yes, if you are bootstrapping with 1.18.4
[10:34] <wallyworld_> i think it needs an exact match
[10:34] <wallyworld_> 1.18.4 client i mean
[10:34] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, I took " picked newest version: 1.18.3" to mean, "shrug, I'd have liked 1.18.4 but 1.18.3 will do"
[10:35] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, ok, let me have a go at fixing that and I'll report back on my result
[10:35] <wallyworld_> i think it is saying that it looked in the metadata and found all these versions and it picked the latest
[10:52] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, I've added the latest tools and I can see bootstrap picking them up. The image lookup is still failing though, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638333/
[10:58] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: can you paste the products file at streams/v1/com.canonical.serverstack.serverstack:ubuntu:daily.json
[10:59] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, that was the one I pasted before, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638235/
[11:01] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: oh sorry, the other one then, the index file?
[11:01] <gnuoy> sure, np
[11:02] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638362/
[11:16] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, I need to nip out for about an hour
[11:16] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: ok, i'm looking at thedata and see no reason for it not to match
[11:16] <wallyworld_> :-(
[12:10] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, it'd be really useful if juju said what key it was looking for, or maybe the logic is more complicated than that.
[12:11] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: i can't recall ottomh exactly what it logs, but yeah
[12:12] <wallyworld_> i'll have to use your metadata to set up something locally and try and see why it's failing
[12:12] <wallyworld_> but it's quite late here and i'm falling asleep sadly so i can only do it tomorrow or something
[12:14] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, np, I shall keep digging.
[12:14] <wallyworld_> ok, email me if you want and i'll see what i can do over the weekend
[12:14] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, I can pick it up with you on monday
[12:15] <wallyworld_> ok
[14:22] <hazmat> marcoceppi, i haven't tried on osx.. i've resurrected my osx machine though, i can give it a whirl
[14:22] <hazmat> marcoceppi, part of the issue on osx is that the brew setup is out of date, 1.16 style.. and that's not supported
[14:22] <hazmat> marcoceppi, i've got an extant bug that we should be distributing/compiling osx binaries
[14:31] <nooky> Hello, one question, exist some chance that a Hook do a callback to the machine where was executed juju set for example?
[14:40] <james_w> hi lazyPower, does your name in the channel title mean you are on the hook for charm reviews?
[14:40] <james_w> if so I'd appreciate a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/charms/precise/haproxy/metrics/+merge/221408
[14:40] <lazyPower> james_w: ack, i'll take a look shortly. i'm in a meeting
[14:40] <james_w> thanks
[15:00] <lazyPower> james_w: looking now
[15:10] <gnuoy> wallyworld_, I added some debug to my client http://paste.ubuntu.com/7639281/ which showed that the items were lacking the endpoint and region fields and hence the match was failing. I've spoken to smoser and he was doing some work on the format of the simple streams data published. It looks like this has exposed a bug in juju in that higher level config options should apply to lower level ones but juju when looking for an image match is not using the high
[15:10] <gnuoy> er level options
[15:32] <marcoceppi> hazmat: brew has 1.18.3
[15:37] <hazmat> marcoceppi, cool good to know it got updated.
[15:37] <smoser> hey
[15:37] <hazmat> marcoceppi, doesn't really change my perspective we should be distributing osx binaries the same way we do for windows
[15:38] <smoser> can someone read juju core code for me (as i'm to lazy)
[15:38] <marcoceppi> hazmat: fwiw, juju-docean didn't quite work on osx
[15:38] <hazmat> smoser, what do you need?
[15:38] <smoser> and tell me if
[15:38] <smoser>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/simplestreams/+bug/1329805
[15:38] <_mup_> Bug #1329805: juju search for image does not find item if endpoint and region are inherited <juju-core:Confirmed> <simplestreams:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329805>
[15:38] <smoser> if juju will look "up" at all for endpoint/region, or if the tags explicitly have to be on the item level.
[15:38] <hazmat> marcoceppi, hmm.. i'll take a look, there's some extant patches for client that might resolve
[15:38] <smoser> i know it will not look up to sibling-of-products.
[15:38] <marcoceppi> hazmat: cool, thanks
[15:48] <lazyPower> james_w: excellent tests! sorry its taken me a moment i got sidetracked, back on the review now
[16:57] <lazyPower> james_w: merged. Thanks for the contribution!
[17:06] <james_w> thanks lazyPower
[17:33] <nuclearbob> is it possible to run juju in openstack from an instance in that same openstack region?
[17:36] <marcoceppi> nuclearbob: I'm not sure I understand your question
[17:36] <marcoceppi> but I think the answer is yet
[17:36] <marcoceppi> yes*
[17:47] <nuclearbob> marcoceppi, I'm got an instance setup in canonistack lcy 02, and I want to run juju in that instance, but whenver I run canonistack-sshuttle, I lose my ability to connect to the instance.  I'm trying to set it up now without using sshuttle, but now I'm getting bootstrap failures, and I'm not sure how to reset things
[17:47] <marcoceppi> nuclearbob: are you running canonistack-sshuttle from the instance?
[17:47] <nuclearbob> marcoceppi, yes
[17:48] <marcoceppi> nuclearbob: don't you're already in canonistack you don't need to run sshuttle
[17:48] <marcoceppi> it should just work without any shuttleing
[17:48] <nuclearbob> marcoceppi, okay, that makes sense
[17:48] <nuclearbob> marcoceppi, now when I try to bootstrap, I get this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7640009/
[17:49] <marcoceppi> nuclearbob: run with --debug see if it gives you more information
[17:50] <nuclearbob> marcoceppi, it does: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7640012/
[17:51] <marcoceppi> nuclearbob: run juju destroy-environment --force
[17:51] <marcoceppi> then try to bootstrap again
[17:51] <mattrae_> hi, i have units with failed, hooks.. resolve --rtry tells me "cannot set resolved mode for unit".. "already resolved" http://pastebin.com/msfTZSA4
[17:51] <mattrae_> any way to get past that?
[17:51] <nuclearbob> marcoceppi, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7640024/
[17:52] <marcoceppi> mattrae_: how long has it been since you first ran resolved? and did it first work or has it been suck always? are you in debug hooks?
[17:53] <mattrae_> marcoceppi: i tried to do debug-hooks to debug this after trying --retry.. now i'm thinking maybe the hook is still running.. just very slowly
[17:54] <mattrae_> marcoceppi: i didn't see any output for awhile from the unit log.. but looks like it moved forward
[17:55] <mattrae_> yeah the hook finally finished running
[18:18] <jose> marcoceppi: will you need me to host that call?
[18:25] <lazyPower> jose: for TSII?
[18:25] <jose> mhm
[18:29] <jose> lazyPower: ^
[18:30] <lazyPower> jose: Wouldn't hurt. Castro is out and marco's in a meeting.
[18:30] <jose> ok
[18:30] <lazyPower> he's going to be up to the wire
[18:30] <jose> I'll go and have lunch, then, bbiab
[18:51] <marcoceppi> jose: ?
[18:51] <marcoceppi> I can run it, if I find the password in time
[18:51] <jose> marcoceppi: troubleshoothing one
[18:51] <jose> I already set it up
[18:51] <jose> s/one/two/
[18:51] <marcoceppi> yay
[19:01] <lazyPower> Troubleshooting II is starting everyone!
[19:01] <lazyPower> If yo have any questions, feel free  to target me and i'll make sure we get them covered
[19:02] <ali1234> what is Troubleshooting II?
[19:02] <mbruzek> The second edition of Juju Troubleshooting
[19:02] <lazyPower> ali1234: http://www.ubuntuonair.com
[19:02] <mbruzek> http://ubuntuonair.com/
[19:03] <lazyPower> wait, i dont see it. i see the plenary on UOA
[19:03] <lazyPower> @josedid we get UOA updated?
[19:03] <ali1234> yeah me too
[19:03] <lazyPower> ali1234: refresh :)
[19:04] <ali1234> so..... any idea why i can't do a local bootstrap?
[19:04] <mbruzek> ali1234, We need the error, put the error on pastebin and we could help
[19:04] <ali1234> mbruzek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/1329429
[19:04] <_mup_> Bug #1329429: local bootstrap fails <amd64> <apport-bug> <trusty> <juju-core (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329429>
[19:07] <lazyPower> ali1234: i've pinged in #juju-dev with your issue pending response from someone taking a look
[19:08] <lazyPower> they may have additional questions - so you might want to preemptively join #juju-dev to field those as they come in
[19:08] <lazyPower> with it being a null pointer dereference, its obv. a bug in the code somewhere and requires more intervention than I can provide as a non-developer.
[19:21] <jose> any questions?
[19:33] <mattrae_> if i'm doing debug-hooks and I want to pause execution leaving a hook in an error state, by using 'exit 1'.. if i see juju move on to execute the next hook, is this normal? i though exit1 should pause execution of hooks so I can exit from tmux and run juju resolved --retry to restart execution
[19:34] <lazyPower> mattrae_: not sure if you're on the troubleshooting hangout following along
[19:35] <lazyPower> however, its a bug and known behavior - debug-hooks doesn't seem to respect the exit code you provide the shell.
[19:35] <mattrae_> lazyPower: nope i'm not on the hangout. is there info about this troubleshooting hangout?
[19:35] <lazyPower> mattrae_: ubuntuonair.com
[19:35] <mattrae_> lazyPower: oh cool, thanks.. so its a bug
[19:36] <nuclearbob> lazyPower, or whoever, I've got a different problem with juju local than I did last time.  it seems to just hang when it gets to "Bootstraping Juju machine agent"  debug output is here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7640395/
[19:38] <mattrae_> nuclearbob: not sure if it will help.. but maybe try adding --upload-tools?
[19:38] <nuclearbob> mattrae_: I'll give it a try
[19:39] <mattrae_> nuclearbob: also if it was working previously.. maybe something is corrupt in .juju.. after destroy-environment --force it should be pretty empty
[19:40] <nuclearbob> mattrae_, okay, I'll give it a chance to run again and then try moving that out if I need to
[19:40] <nuclearbob> mattrae_, if I move .juju somewhere else, do juju init, and then restore my .juju/environments.yaml, is that a good way to restart things?
[19:43] <mattrae_> nuclearbob: yeah that should give you a fresh start.. i've seen sometimes where containers get left around as well.. i'm not sure if you're running into that in this case
[19:43] <nuclearbob> mattrae_: what container names should I look for to delete?  ones starting with my username?
[19:44] <mattrae_> nuclearbob: they'll be something like 'juju-machine-1-lxc-0' if when you run sudo lxc-ls
[19:45] <nuclearbob> mattrae_: okay, I don't see any containers with juju in the name
[19:45] <mattrae_> nuclearbob: cool, just something to watch out for if one ever gets left around after destroy-environment
[19:48] <lazyPower> Thanks everyone for watching. Juju Troubleshooting II charmschool is officially closed
[19:49] <lazyPower> make sure you join us next week for working with / troubleshooting the local provider
[19:54] <nuclearbob> lazyPower, when is the session on troubleshooting the local provider?
[19:55] <lazyPower> let me check the calendar, i'm pretty sure its same time next friday but it may be in 2 weeks
[19:56] <lazyPower> Interestingly enough I dont have it on the calendar. I'll track this down for you an ping you back with the info nuclearbob
[19:57] <lazyPower> nuclearbob: We're going to schedule it for 3-4PM EDT next friday.
[19:58] <nuclearbob> lazyPower, cool, thanks
[19:59] <lazyPower> NP. We'll send a reminder email to the list next week
[20:05] <cjohnston> is a units public IP address something that I can do a relation-get for or does it have to have a relation-set first?
[20:42] <ali1234> if i reboot my computer, do all my local environment get started up automatically?
[20:50] <lazyPower> ali1234: yep. there are links left behind to autostart the containers
[20:57] <sebas5384> hey lazyPower o/
[20:57] <lazyPower> hey sebas i'm im nearly home. I'm going to be about 5 minutes late
[20:57] <sebas5384> what do you think if we start a hangout live
[20:57] <sebas5384> of course, no rush :)
[21:03] <lazyPower> sebas5384: you want to hangouts on air?
[21:03] <sebas5384> just for recording
[21:04] <sebas5384> there are some people here that can't join us right now
[21:04] <lazyPower> sure thats fine
[21:04] <sebas5384> but want to watch it later
[21:04] <lazyPower> i need a minute or two to get settled and i'm good 2 go
[21:04] <sebas5384> awesome :)
[21:09] <lazyPower> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYfF6VnfsnVX5hl_jMiONm-ybp7bfiniyN2j9tR3c48Z2Vsjhg?authuser=0&hl=en   sebas5384
[22:19] <sebas5384> lazyPower: https://github.com/sebas5384/juju-vagrant-plugin
[22:43] <JoshStrobl> Hey, I noticed that there is documentation on juju debug-log (https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/config-LXC.html) regarding a bug that prevents it from working as expected. However the bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1202682) shows that the fix has been released, so the bug at this point no longer "exists" and I think the docs should be updated to reflect that.
[22:43] <_mup_> Bug #1202682: debug-log doesn't work with lxc provider <cts-cloud-review> <debug-log> <local-provider> <papercut> <ssh> <ui> <juju-core:Fix Released by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202682>
[22:58] <alexisb> JoshStrobl, thanks for the catch, can you send a note to dev list?
[23:08] <JoshStrobl> alexisb: #juju-dev ? Gotta add myself back on, but yea I'll send off the mail.
[23:34] <sebas5384> lazyPower: here's the link of the session I told you https://amsterdam2014.drupal.org/session/devops-where-start
[23:46] <wallyworld_> gnuoy: that's great detective work. when i looked at your data i saw that the region/endpoint were defined higher up and assumed they were inherited. i'll investigate and may need to fix juju if there's been a regression
[23:47] <SIGILL> When I start a new charm, juju will choose the *first* matching/free machine and deploy the charm without trying to be clever about chosing "the best" machine, right?


[00:55] <Daskreech> alith: Hi
[00:56] <Daskreech> alith: Did you look at the dbus commands?
[02:28] <cherenkovblu3> having rough time franklin?
[02:30] <Daskreech> possibly
[02:40] <HngryTgr> Well just a few
[02:51] <Roey> Daskreech:  hello ;)
[02:51] <Daskreech> Hello
[02:51] <Roey> Daskreech:  which version of KDE ar eyou runniing? And of Kubuntu?
[02:52] <Daskreech> KDE 4.8 on Fedora 16
[02:52] <Roey> ah o0k
[02:52] <Roey> didn't know fedora 16 had kde 4.8 natively on it
[02:52] <Roey> like, kubuntu only has it through the PPAs
[02:54] <Daskreech> Similar for Fedora
[02:55] <Daskreech> Unless you are a rolling release distro you pretty much don't make crazy changes like that by default
[02:58] <bfig> Daskreech, what is safe video mode?
[02:58] <bfig> sorry i had to run some errands
[02:59] <Daskreech> bfig: when you boot the CD You have the option to boot or boot to safe video mode which takes drivers out of the picture
[02:59] <Daskreech> Long as a you have a processor and memory it should pretty much work
[02:59] <bfig> Daskreech, how can i select that option? i don't see it. i only have 'normal' or 'mem check'
[02:59] <Daskreech> Oh? Hmm
[02:59] <bfig> also, kms is automagic apparently on newer kernels
[03:24] <tischi> Moinsen...
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[03:31] <Daskreech> d
[03:32] <Unit193> I personally was thinking an ;)
[03:35] <rafael> kkk
[03:36] <rafael> join #anonops
[03:37] <cherenkovblu3> lol
[03:41] <howl-anderson> first time to use irc, so  any one see this message,echo me
[03:42] <Daskreech> me
[03:42] <howl-anderson> thank you! it works!
[03:44] <Daskreech> \o/
[04:21] <naveen_> hi
[04:22] <Daskreech> hi
[04:26] <Daskreech> zorobabel: Ah
[04:26] <Daskreech> Babel
[06:31] <orated> Hello! I'd like to setup NAS on my system. Could anyone suggest me guide specific to Kubuntu/KDE? I find - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba?action=show&redirect=SettingUpSamba wherein  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaClientGuide gives instructions specific to GNOME.. What is an alternative package to nautilus-share for Dolphin?
[07:04] <Daskreech> orated: NAS = Network Attached Storage?
[07:07] <Daskreech> orated: if you right click any Folder -> Properties -> Share
[07:07] <Daskreech> It's built in already
[07:23] <orated> Daskreech: No, I didn't mean that.
[07:23] <orated> Umm
[07:27] <orated> Daskreech:  I'm not sure if I require NAS to have frequent snapshots of Linux/Windows installations and to have a common server for all data to be accessible from both Windows and linux
[07:28] <Daskreech> No you just need storage though a NAS is not a bad way to have all of that
[07:28] <Daskreech> and if you have one already then you can just make use of it
[07:30] <Daskreech> My friend does the same thing with a hard drive just dedicated to storage
[07:31] <orated> I already have ssh and nfs setup with which I can access/administer one system from another. But I don't have a common place to all the data organised in one place or to keep regular backup/snapshots of OSs in use.. so is NAS setup in Samba right for this?
[07:31] <orated> Ah-ok
[07:32] <Daskreech> Yes or sftp since you have ssh setup already
[07:33] <orated> Yes, I use that. I got new 720GB HDD so was considering it for backup and such
[07:33] <orated> I'm quite confused with NFS and NAS atm
[07:35] <Daskreech> how so?
[07:35] <orated> I guess its not different how NFS/NAS can be used to regularly take snapshots of system, right?
[07:36] <orated> wait, one is for dedicated storage, other for sharing...
[07:49] <orated> Daskreech: What do you suggest?
[07:50] <Daskreech> NFS is a file system
[07:50] <Daskreech> it allows a remote computer to be used as if it is a hard drive
[07:51] <Daskreech> NAS is a  network attached storage. It's just a hard drive that is connected to a network interface
[07:51] <zombieomgwtfbbql> anyone got any suggestion on how to get the ccsm to launch the gui or show in desktop effect
[07:52] <zombieomgwtfbbql> show water effect*
[07:52] <Daskreech> You can put NFS on a NAS if you like then the Storage will be mounted as a directory in your computer
[07:53] <orated> Daskreech: Yes, was going to ask that
[07:54] <orated> Daskreech: Do you use any script/package to regular backup data to NAS?
[07:55] <Daskreech> !backup
[07:56] <Daskreech> zombieomgwtfbbql: desktop effects is a kwin kcm ccsm is a compiz module
[07:56] <Daskreech> !info ccsm
[07:56] <Daskreech> ah that sucks
[07:56] <Daskreech> !search ccsm
[07:57] <Daskreech> ha ha liar
[07:57] <Daskreech> !ccsm
[07:57] <Daskreech> !compizconfig-settings-manager
[07:57] <Daskreech> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[07:59] <zombieomgwtfbbql> compizconfig-settings-manager is what I have i just used the acronym just the problem is it won't boot when I launch or show a specific effect that I want that is in there
[08:01] <Daskreech> You are running compiz I presume?
[08:01] <zombieomgwtfbbql> yes
[08:02] <Daskreech> ok
[08:28] <orated_> Daskreech: Say, I regularly take backup of complete / from one system to NAS using rsync and If in future the system crashes that only option left is to reinstall. Then in such cases simply formatting the separate root partition and restoring last working root from NAS to it can work?
[08:29] <Daskreech> Yes
[08:29] <Daskreech> but take a look at things like bacula
[08:30] <orated> What do you use to backup/sync data to NAS?
[08:32] <Daskreech> sftp script
[08:33] <Daskreech> But I don't back up /
[08:33] <Daskreech> I don't see the point in doing that
[08:33] <Tm_T> orated: cp -p --update -R
[08:33] <Tm_T> one could use rsync?
[08:33] <naftilos76> hi everyone, i have upgraded from KDE 4.7.4 to 4.8 and kmail does not show correctly some emails. Instead it shows plain text and most of it is unrecognizible. I have seen that this is probably a new bug! Can anybody tell me if you have come up with it?
[08:33] <Tm_T> there's tons of options actually
[08:34] <Tm_T> naftilos76: haven't seen such problem myself
[08:35] <naftilos76> anybody else?
[08:37] <orated> Tm_T: Yes, I prepared a script using rsync to backup
[08:38] <orated> Daskreech: dd can restore all the data properly including MBR, right? whihc rsync cannot
[10:27] <swaroop> hi i am facing a terrible problem can you help?
[10:27] <Tm_T> swaroop: cannot know until you tell your problem (:
[10:28] <swaroop> i am using via vt837 sound card. alsamixer reports its doing well and vlc plays  audio well but audio from amarok is grainy and unclear..:(
[10:31] <swaroop> even audacity plays right
[10:46] <swaroop> hi can anyone help me please..
[10:47] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[10:49] <DoctorPepper> can anyone help me please ,  i am using  some plasnoid in kde4.8 on 11.10 i keep having the following message "unable to create python scriptengine for veromix" even if the kde scriptEngines are all installed
[10:59] <naftilos76> hi everyone, i have upgraded from KDE 4.7.4 to 4.8 and kmail does not show correctly some emails. Instead it shows plain text and most of it is unrecognizible. I have seen that this is probably a new bug!  Il ya quelqu'un ?
[12:59] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[13:05] <BluesKaj> morning folks
[13:13] <ophelias_> anyone having a problem with firefox and chromium when you log out and log in the browser is all black...?
[13:13] <ophelias_> strangely enough it doesn't happen with rekonq
[13:18] <Tm_T> ophelias_: does the same happens with other GTK apps?
[13:19] <ophelias_> no
[13:20] <ophelias_> I have applied the gtk-chtheme fix
[13:20] <ophelias_> when i restart my machine it's fine
[13:20] <ophelias_> its' just when the machine goes to sleep during a session or when i log out and back in it happens
[13:31] <tristan_> Bonjour ! :)
[13:32] <vprints> bonjour
[13:32] <vprints> on parle anglais ici ;)
[13:32] <Paconnu> Ah désolé :/
[13:33] <Paconnu> Oh sorry*
[13:34] <vprints> no problem
[13:34] <vprints> :)
[13:35] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:47] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[13:50] <BluesKaj> hey DoctorPepper
[13:56] <Neuer_N> hi  all
[13:58] <DoctorPepper> can anyone help me ,  i cant get some plasmoids to work on  kde 4.8 ,    i get the following "Could not create a python scriptegine for " plasmoid name  "widget"
[14:03] <Vako> ok guys ive been trying to install Ralink driver rt2870 for my wireless usb but everytime i get to the make part i get the same error no matter what I do ( Ive looked all around and i cant find anything to support me )
[14:03] <Vako> make[2]: *** [/home/txnert/Desktop/2010_0709_RT2870_Linux_STA_v<IP_ADDRESS>/os/linux/../../common/cmm_mac_usb.o] Error 1
[14:03] <Vako> make[1]: *** [_module_/home/txnert/Desktop/2010_0709_RT2870_Linux_STA_v<IP_ADDRESS>/os/linux] Error 2
[14:03] <Vako> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.0.0-15-generic'
[14:03] <Vako> make: *** [LINUX] Error 2
[14:03] <FloodBotK2> Vako: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:03] <Vako> thats the error
[14:03] <Vako> ahhhh darn. my bad
[14:04] <Vako> http://paste.kde.org/198488/
[14:04] <Vako> Any help will be deeply appreciated
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Vako,  maybe you won't need to compile the driver , the default kernel  drivershould work with a minor hack : https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/internet#TOC-Ralink-RT2870-chipset
[14:21] <Vako> BluesKaj http://paste.kde.org/198524/
[14:21] <luiz_> boa tarde !!!
[14:23] <luiz_> ll
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Vako,  bummer , I use the same driver for wifi on my other pc , well I used to til 10.04 , then i couldn't get anything work with the belkin usb wifi stick
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Vako,  I was hoprng that page was the solution , but no joy there either :(
[14:24] <Torch> Vako: this is not the complete error output while building the module. please pastebin all of the output.
[14:25] <Vako> Torch that is the whole output
[14:26] <Torch> Vako: you're probably following some tutorial for this. where is it?
[14:28] <Vako> which of the 500 thousand ive seen
[14:28] <Vako> wait
[14:29] <BluesKaj> Torch,  https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/internet#TOC-Ralink-RT2870-chipset
[14:29] <Vako> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-install-rt2870-chipset-based-usb-wireless-adapter.html
[14:29] <Vako> i tried that way
[14:29] <Vako> amongst hundreds
[14:30] <Torch> Vako: the download link on that page is broken.
[14:30] <Torch> Vako: where do i get the sources?
[14:30] <Vako> 1 sec
[14:32] <Vako> http://www.2shared.com/file/rzHnkYDI/2010_0709_RT2870_Linux_STA_v24.htm
[14:39] <Vako> :/
[14:39] <BluesKaj> BBL
[14:39] <mu> hi all
[14:39] <Quintasan> \o
[14:39] <Torch> Vako: and you're not getting any error messages when building this?
[14:39] <Torch> Vako: i get lots of em
[14:40] <mu> i'm trying to change the keyboard layout
[14:40] <Torch> Vako: http://pastebin.com/EKBDUQ3Q
[14:40] <mu> but in my system there is no "kcm_keyboard_layout"
[14:41] <Torch> Vako: the combination of -Werror=implicit-function-declaration and the missing declaration for usb_buffer_alloc being the point
[14:41] <mu> any ideas?
[14:41] <Torch> Vako: some former kernel versions probably pulled in some include that has this and that's no longer the case.
[14:41] <Vako> i get that exact output
[14:41] <Torch> Vako: so why did you tell me there WERE NO MORE ERRORS?
[14:42] <Vako> because i thought you was asking abput the errors i get when doing what BluesKaj suggested
[14:42] <Torch> Vako: anyway, find a newer version of this source code, fix the code, unset the -Werror setting or... dunno, that's probably the alternatives you have.
[14:43]  * Torch is afk.
[14:43] <Vako> back to 0
[14:59] <mu> so no one knows where it went the panel to change the keyboard layout?
[15:08] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[15:08] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[15:09] <DoctorPepper>  can  anyone please help me ,  i cant  get any python based plasmoid to work  on  11.10  with kde 4.8
[15:45] <BluesKaj> Vako,  dwspite the error message after trying the tutorial and modprobe errors with rt2870sta , i ran these 2 command and now my belkin usb wifi stick is working fine : sudo ifconfig wlan0 up , then,sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[15:47] <Vako> BluesKaj kubuntu now supports the darn driver I was so blind to see that vmware was telling me to enable the darn thing thru removale devices
[15:47] <Vako> my problem now.. DONT HAVE INTERNET
[15:47] <Vako> :/
[15:48] <BluesKaj> Vako,  ahh good ol' VMware , ppl should always mention that when asking for help
[15:48] <BluesKaj> Vako,  laptop?
[15:49] <Vako> yes
[15:49] <BluesKaj> is there a way to install wicd on it?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> Vako,  try those 2 commands anyway , it can't hurt
[15:52] <Vako> i did
[15:52] <Vako> and nothing
[15:52] <BluesKaj> reboot
[15:53] <Vako> k
[15:53] <Vako> usb doesnt even blink
[15:54] <Vako> :/
[15:54] <Vako> its an Alfa usb btw
[15:54] <Vako> nothing
[15:55] <Vako> anything?
[15:58] <Vako> darn
[16:05] <Vako> BluesKaj nothing then?
[16:07] <qbit> Vako: fwiw I have an Alfa AWUS036H usb wifi thingy here and it worksVako: fwiw I have an Alfa awus036h usb model here that uses rt8187 driver built in to kernel
[16:07] <qbit> I have not tried hot pluggin it, but rather had it plugged in while machine was powered down, then booted it
[16:08] <qbit> network manager saw it immediately just fine and I did not have to do anything special to use it
[16:08] <qbit> but this is real hardware and not a VM
[16:09] <Vako> thats the thing
[16:09] <Vako> i have the Alfa AWUS036NH
[16:09] <qbit> I can't speak to USB support vmware is providing to your guest
[16:10] <qbit> and the driver for the nh may not be complete yet
[16:11] <Vako> yah it works just ubuntu playing tricks
[16:13] <qbit> ah - ok - the rt2870sta should be working now, was unsure of where it was at
[16:14] <qbit> I saw earlier BluesKaj had it working
[16:15] <Vako> i enabled ralink
[16:15] <Vako> typed
[16:15] <Vako> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[16:15] <BluesKaj> sorry Vako , I was checking out the transfer rates over ssh , pretty slow over wifi vs the ethernet conn.
[16:16] <Vako> blinks slowly but wont find any networks
[16:16] <Vako> dont know what else to do
[16:16] <BluesKaj> Vako,  you have to run this as well , sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[16:17] <Vako> Interface Chipset Driver
[16:17] <Vako> wlan0 Unknown rt2800usb - [phy0]
[16:17] <Vako> i did BluesKaj
[16:18] <BluesKaj> Vako,  mine is the rt2870sta
[16:18] <Vako> starts blinking fast.. then goes back to blink slow
[16:18] <Vako> i try insttalling it BluesKaj but its giving me the error i posted when i came
[16:18] <qbit> yes - that rt2800usb sounds like a wrong driver possibly
[16:19] <Vako> how did you get over the errors BluesKaj
[16:21] <DoctorPepper>  can  anyone please help me ,  i cant  get any python based plasmoid to work  on  11.10  with kde 4.8 i get  the following error "Could not create python scriptegine"
[16:22] <Torch> DoctorPepper: might be incompatible python versions.
[16:22] <Clitoris> Hi, I'm trying to install Lesbian Linux but I keep getting core dumped.
[16:22] <Clitoris> It's kind of sticky.
[16:23] <Vako> dangggg
[16:23] <BluesKaj> i ran the last part of that tutorial , where it calls for updating the driver after upgrading the OS  , I then ran those 2 commands after rebooting
[16:23] <Torch> DoctorPepper: but that's just an uninformed shot in the dark, really.
[16:24] <BluesKaj> Clitoris,  enough , change your nick pls
[16:24] <Vako> BluesKaj you loost me
[16:24] <Clitoris> what's wrong with a clitoris?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> !language
[16:25] <LjL> !ops | Clitoris
[16:25] <Clitoris> People think female genitalia are dirty and disgusting... pityful.
[16:25] <ikonia> sorry, slow chanserv
[16:25] <Riddell> thanks ikonia
[16:25] <Vako> heh
[16:26]  * maco rolls eyes
[16:26] <Vako> im still lost
[16:26] <ikonia> sorry about that,
[16:26] <BluesKaj> LjL,  I was giving him chance to change his troll outfit into something more acceptable
[16:26] <LjL> BluesKaj: wasted time, they did it in other channels too
[16:26] <BluesKaj> LjL,  ok
[16:27] <qbit> Vako: I'm not an expert, but you may need to investigate if you need to blacklist the rt2800usb so that you can load the st2870sta that BluesKaj has working
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Vako,  open your /etc/modules with root permissions, add rt2870sta to the bottom of the list
[16:29] <Vako> ima do this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-install-rt2870-chipset-based-usb-wireless-adapter.html
[16:29] <BluesKaj> qbit,  yeah , that's a thought
[16:29] <Vako> and let you know
[16:32] <qbit> if it were to come to blacklist needed to force the rt2800usb not to load you can create a 99-local.conf file under /etc/modprobe.d with blacklist rt2800usb on a line as contents
[16:34] <qbit> what I do not know is if/whether all 4 variants of rt2800xxx would be needed, I simply do not know this
[16:35] <qbit> but I'd only do the one to start
[16:37] <BluesKaj>  qbit , /etc/modprobe/blacklist.conf
[16:38] <qbit> that's good, I just tend to use a .local as a personal preference
[16:39] <qbit> what's in mine currently is the couple of things I needed to get a PCI parallel port card to print
[16:41] <qbit> but yeah - blacklisting is probably better done there, for sure
[16:41] <BluesKaj> i have to check the wifi pc's blacklist to see what's there , just to be sure
[16:43] <BluesKaj> think i blacklisted the 2800 drivers on previous tries to get the usb wifi stick working
[16:43] <qbit> BluesKaj: I bet if he can dump the driver that doesn't work and replace it with the one you've confirmed to work he has a chance
[16:44] <BluesKaj> qbit,  I'm not entirelu sure that driver actually works , think maybe the default kernel driver is overriding it , but i'm not sure yet ...I have some to do , but I'll check the other pc to find out
[16:45] <BluesKaj> have some stuff to do, BBL
[16:45] <qbit> I understand - I remember some reading a while back that left me with the impression these drivers were not completely done yet
[16:56] <BluesKaj> qbit,  oddly enought there aren't rt2800 driver blackisted anywhere in /etc/modprobe.d
[17:00] <Linux_Jones> so i have two laptops, this one is kubuntu, and i have one with ubuntu hooked up to my big screen tv, i wanna be able to play movies and music  and whatnot on the one on the tv but control it from this one,  is there a way to do this?  they are both running 11.10  and are connected via wireless network
[17:01] <qbit> BluesKaj: so just adding it to modules may be all that's need, and it attaches to the right one without any blacklisting needed
[17:02] <Vako> the site option is not working
[17:02] <Vako> :/
[17:03] <Vako> i blacklisted them and now doesnt even detect a driver :/
[17:04] <BluesKaj> however there is a rt2870sta.conf file listed there
[17:05] <BluesKaj> Vako, I don't think blacklisting is necessary in 11.10
[17:05] <Vako> im gonna no crazyyyy
[17:05] <Vako> so what you suggest now?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> Vako,  open /etc/modeprobe.d  , do you have a rt2870sta.conf file there ?
[17:07] <Vako> no
[17:07] <Vako> let me get it
[17:07] <Vako> i see a rt2870sta.dat
[17:08] <Vako> not conf
[17:09] <Vako> ?
[17:10] <Vako> sorry
[17:10] <Vako> rt2870sta.conf is in modprobe.d
[17:11] <Vako> install rt2870sta modprobe --ignore-install rt2870sta ; /bin/echo "1737 0078" >$
[17:11] <Vako> thats what it says inside the conf
[17:11] <BluesKaj> Vako,  ok run these commands , ignore the errors , then reboot , i'll have more instructions after you log back in.
[17:12] <BluesKaj> Vako,  http://paste.kde.org/198686/
[17:12] <Vako> all eyes
[17:12] <Vako> txnert@Legend:/etc/modprobe.d$ sudo modprobe -rf rt2870sta
[17:12] <Vako> FATAL: Module rt2870sta not found.
[17:13] <Vako> lol
[17:13] <Vako> now what
[17:13] <BluesKaj> ignore the errors , reboot
[17:13] <Vako> didnt do nothing
[17:14] <Vako> that was just the 1st command
[17:14] <BluesKaj> run them all
[17:15] <Vako> xnert@Legend:/usr/src/2010_06_25_RT3572_Linux_STA_v<IP_ADDRESS>$ sudo modprobe rt2870sta
[17:15] <Vako> FATAL: Module rt2870sta not found.
[17:15] <Vako> FATAL: Error running install command for rt2870sta
[17:15] <BluesKaj> we don't need to see the berrors
[17:15] <BluesKaj> errors
[17:15] <Vako> done did them all
[17:16] <BluesKaj> make sure you run the iwconfig
[17:16] <Vako> i did
[17:16] <BluesKaj> ok reboot
[17:16] <Vako> no devices found on neither of the 2
[17:16] <Vako> its up
[17:16] <Vako> now?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[17:18] <BluesKaj> wlan0 or whatever wlan says in iwconfig
[17:18] <BluesKaj> it could be wlan1 or 2
[17:19] <BluesKaj> then , sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[17:19] <BluesKaj> or whatever number wlan was assigned in iwconfig
[17:20] <Vako> found 4
[17:21] <BluesKaj>  4 what ?
[17:21] <Vako> txnert@Legend:~$ sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[17:21] <Vako> ESSID:"InternetTRICOM"
[17:21] <Vako> ESSID:"Aquino Jimenez"
[17:21] <Vako> ESSID:"Maruka"
[17:21] <Vako> ESSID:"Maruka"
[17:21] <FloodBotK2> Vako: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:22] <Vako> eeeeek
[17:22] <Vako> i always forget not to paste here
[17:22] <BluesKaj> Vako,  ok , now try a browser
[17:22] <Vako> nothing
[17:23] <Vako> on the network manager doesnt even find a network
[17:23] <BluesKaj> sudo dhclient wlan0
[17:24] <Vako> still waiting
[17:25] <BluesKaj> Vako, remove that rt2870.dat file from /etc/modprobe.d
[17:25] <Vako> theres no such thig there
[17:25] <Vako> only the .conf
[17:26] <Vako> sudo dhclient wlan0 still thinking
[17:27] <Vako> ohhh shit
[17:27] <Vako> it got online
[17:27] <Vako> how? dont ask me
[17:28] <BluesKaj> I'm not asking , it worked for me , Vako
[17:28] <Vako> but thank you very much
[17:28] <Vako> after 7 hours it workedd haha4
[17:29] <BluesKaj> let's hope it works after a reboot
[17:29] <david__> Hi all, i'm new to linux and loving kubuntu and kde so far, but my dead keys stopped working after installing Gimp, anyone with a little free time can help me please? Thanks :)
[17:29] <Vako> ut oh hehehe.. lets wait
[17:30] <BluesKaj> david__,  dead keys stopped working?
[17:30] <david__> yes
[17:31] <david__> i'm using a spanish layout with dead keys
[17:31] <david__> but they dont work
[17:31] <BluesKaj> pls clue me in , what are dead keys ?
[17:31] <david__> ´a ´e ´i
[17:31] <david__> accents :)
[17:31] <Vako> i was gonna say if they are dead they are not supposed to work lol
[17:31] <david__> hahaha
[17:32] <david__> they work on gtk apps but not on qt ones
[17:32] <BluesKaj> david__,  perhaps you should ask in #kubuntu-es or #ubuntu-es
[17:33] <david__> Thanks, i will try :)
[17:33] <BluesKaj> english KBs have little use of accents
[17:33] <Vako> BluesKaj any knowledge of aircrack?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> the mac wifi ?
[17:34] <Vako> aircrack ng
[17:34] <Vako> to scan for wifi
[17:35] <BluesKaj> just run iwlist
[17:36] <BluesKaj> iwlist scan , I think :)
[17:42] <BluesKaj> Vako,  we don't encourage illegal actitvitie here , if you plan to use a local wifi networlk illegally , then we can't help you
[17:44] <Vako> nahh
[17:44] <Vako> not for that
[17:45] <BluesKaj> Vako,  run lsusb , paste the Wireless USB Adapter line here
[19:02] <taffflash> hi all
[19:02] <BarkingFish> Guys, can I get some advice please?  I took pulseaudio off my machine a while back because it breaks some of my software and doesn't work properly for me.  The problem is that one of the progs I now want to install uses pulseaudio, and if I put it on, it's gonna break all the other stuff I want.
[19:02] <BarkingFish> Is there any way of limiting pulseaudio to only run with the applications I want it to, rather than across the whole session?
[19:15] <James147> BarkingFish: no, but I think you can do it the other way, stop it from running on a perticualr application
[19:16] <James147> "pasuspender - Temporarily suspend PulseAudio"
[19:16] <BarkingFish> Hm. So I might be able to leave it running with mumble, but disable it for audacity...
[19:17] <James147> ^^ however I think you will get no audio from application (but the one you use that command on) while using that command
[19:17] <BarkingFish> That's the biggest issue for me, is that it breaks my sound inputs when I run audacity. I can hear perfectly, but trying to hit a mic input is nigh on impossible.
[19:18] <James147> ^^ never played with a mic on it, but I would be suprised is there wasnt a way to make it work
[19:18] <James147> BarkingFish: what version of kubuntu are you on?
[19:18] <BarkingFish> 11.10
[19:19] <BarkingFish> I need the mic inputs working on audacity, it's what I record spoken articles for wikipedia on.
[19:22] <James147> BarkingFish: have you rtied: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29185/how-do-i-setup-audacity-and-pulseaudio-to-record-from-a-line-in  :?
[19:23] <BarkingFish> yeah, problem is that this isn't a line in
[19:23] <BarkingFish> My headest is weird. It's wireless, receiver plugs into the pink mic socket - I've tried it on a line in with no result whatsoever. All i get is static
[19:24] <James147> 0_o
[19:46] <K350> Where/how do I crete a hotkey to open a program of my choise?
[20:03] <Guest36460> hi
[20:04] <Guest36460> <---- hat heute linux installiert und ist bisher begeistert =D
[20:05] <nodon> Tudo muito tenso.
[20:06] <Guest36460> is here some german who can help me?
[20:08] <Guest36460> is here anyone who can help me ? :D
[20:16] <dmatt>  Guest36460: there is #kubuntu-de if you prefer german
[20:17] <dmatt> Guest36460: and just ask question, otherwise we do not know if anyone can help you :)
[20:27] <Guest36460> ok my question: How can i install a programm in linux?
[20:27] <Guest36460> i downloaded a shell script for netbeans but how i can install it?
[20:29] <lnxslck> Guest36460, just run it
[20:29] <lnxslck> Guest36460, sh script.sh
[20:33] <dmatt> Guest36460: normally, you should install programs through package manager ( menu Application/System/ Muon Package manager)
[20:34] <dmatt> only after you did not find what you want there you should use scripts or alternative possibilities to install
[20:34] <dmatt> especially if you are beginner
[20:39] <BluesKaj> well, the rt2870sta driver no longer works with my belkin usb wifi stick , a temp connection worked for a couple of hrs , I deliberately rebooted to see if the driver install would hold , but no joy :(
[22:02] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[22:25] <digenius> hello
[22:26] <digenius> I have been using gnome and am trying kubuntu no
[22:26] <digenius> now
[22:26] <digenius> how do i get the software authorzation
[22:27] <almoxarife> auth? digenius
[22:27] <digenius> it doesn't give me a place to input
[22:27] <digenius> yes
[22:27] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[22:27] <almoxarife> digenius: what app are you using?
[22:28] <digenius> software updates
[22:28] <digenius> the one for security updates
[22:29] <digenius> it popped up and has a list of software needed to be updated but when i put install
[22:29] <digenius> it says no auth
[22:30] <almoxarife> digenius: did you at anytime get a window to input your password?
[22:31] <digenius> no, tht is the issue
[22:31] <digenius> normally with gnome i do
[22:31] <almoxarife> digenius: that is,
[22:31] <digenius> where is that
[22:31] <digenius> it is not showing that
[22:32] <almoxarife> digenius: try via the 'system settings'
[22:32] <digenius> ok
[22:32] <digenius> will try now
[22:33] <almoxarife> digenius: did you install kubuntu on top of ubuntu?
[22:33] <digenius> yes
[22:34] <almoxarife> digenius: I also did, and came up with the error you are seeing, and I don't remember what corrected it, but you still have 'synaptic' avail then, which I continue to use with kubuntu
[22:37] <aghokty> he he heyyyyy
[22:37] <digenius> is that what u use to do updates
[22:37] <aghokty> love u Kubuntu
[22:37] <almoxarife> digenius: yeap, I got used to it
[22:38] <digenius> ok
[22:38] <digenius> which do you like better?
[22:38] <digenius> kde or gnome
[22:39] <almoxarife> kde for sure, gnome has lost its appeal for me, I wanted a system with some since of configuration, gnome decided to go 'simpleton', and it may be had to believe but there is less overhead in ram with kubuntu, I use the plasma-desktop
[22:40] <digenius> ok, i have gb on this system
[22:40] <almoxarife> digenius: best part, those gnome apps that I can't live without run fine in kde
[22:41] <digenius> cool
[22:41] <almoxarife> gb?
[22:41] <digenius> 6
[22:41] <digenius> sorry
[22:41] <almoxarife> ah, 6 gig
[22:41] <almoxarife> more than enough then
[22:42] <almoxarife> digenius: and pulseaudio becomes an 'option', :)
[22:42] <mahmoud_> kubuntu question
[22:43] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[22:43] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[22:47] <DaskreecH> digenius_: does kdesudo apper work for you?
[22:47] <digenius_> what is that
[22:51] <DaskreecH> It's just something I'm trying to see if it will help
[22:51] <DaskreecH> there are a number of applications that do updates just wanted to see if one of them was installed for you
[23:04] <em> w 3
[23:10] <DaskreecH> hi em


[00:08] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[00:08] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[00:50] <Mez> @mark Chris` #ubuntu-uk chanflood - talked to about it
[00:58] <Seeker`> its a pain that we cant get the bantracker in -uk
[01:07] <Seeker`> night
[02:01] <Mez> anyone here on linkedin that I havent connected with
[02:02] <pleia2> yes, but I probably don't count :)
[04:27]  * genii sips
[04:27] <tritium> Coffee, no doubt.  :)
[04:28] <nickrud> genii, how's the cig thing going? 14th patch today
[04:28] <genii> tritium: Actually a nutrition shake today since it's 11:30ish PM
[04:28] <genii> nickrud: About 4-6 a day currently
[04:28] <tritium> genii: ah, good deal
[04:29] <nickrud> near the point of not physically addicted :)
[04:29] <nickrud> or at, even
[04:29] <genii> nickrud: I've been cranky as all hell
[04:30] <nickrud> genii talking to the choir here.
[04:31] <Flannel> Gah.  Why must people act so silly?
[04:33] <nickrud> there'd be nothing to define sanity
[04:34]  * Flannel notes that sanity is actually pretty topical.
[04:35] <genii> Flannel: Perhaps they're not acting.
[04:35] <Flannel> well, sanity is defined as doing the same thing/expecting different result.
[04:35] <Flannel> or, insanity, that is.
[04:36] <Flannel> someone;s running something, it displays that its done 12 out of 120, and its taken about 20 hours.  How many more hours would *you* think it would take?
[04:37] <nickrud> 12?
[04:38] <genii> 180  hours?
[04:38]  * nickrud gets to be silly, he's old
[04:38] <Flannel> nickrud: 12 units out of 120 units
[04:38] <Flannel> genii: Exactly!
[04:38] <Flannel> so, I answer him, "about 180", and... apparently he's asked a few other people already.
[04:38] <nickrud> Flannel, you really think I gave that answer with a sane mind ??!
[04:39] <Flannel> I reminded him that unlike parents, technical problems don't tend to change estimates each time you ask them.
[04:39] <nickrud> story problems trip up a lot of people.
[04:41] <genii> Flannel: I suspect the prospect of 180 more hours is just so un-faceable they want to keep making sure those numbers are really correct
[05:28] <Amaranth> @login
[05:28] <Amaranth> !sanity
[05:28] <Amaranth> !sanity-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply>The statistics on sanity is that one out of every four persons are suffering from some sort of mental illness. Think of your three best friends — if they’re okay, then it’s you.
[05:28] <Flannel> oooo, more vanity factiods!
[05:28] <nickrud> very good one too
[05:29] <Amaranth> !love
[05:29] <Flannel> I won't feel bad about
[05:29] <Flannel> !recursion-#ubuntu-offtopic
[05:29]  * Amaranth has a bunch
[05:29] <Amaranth> or had, people keep changing them
[05:29] <Amaranth> !test
[05:29] <Flannel> Nah, I know.  I just feel bad about adding too many
[05:29] <Amaranth> !ping
[05:29] <Amaranth> !-test
[05:30] <Amaranth> Flannel: ^ ;)
[05:30] <Amaranth> !-ping
[05:31] <nickrud> bits are cheap Flannel
[05:32] <nickrud> laughs are precious
[05:32] <Flannel> At one point I was warned about it due to processing time for factoids
[05:32] <Flannel> but, maybe thats not an issue anymore
[08:12] <Flannel> If anyone asks, the first one should've been a ban, but he came back and saved me from having to set it manually.
[08:13] <Flannel> Mmm, should've been a forward.  Bother on my slow thinking.
[08:17] <Flannel> There.  forward set.
[08:17]  * Flannel goes off to comment on BT since... confusion abounds!
[08:17] <Tm_T> hi kids and scray gary
[08:17] <Tm_T> scary even
[08:19] <Gary> haha
[08:19] <Gary> morning
[08:19] <Flannel> scray gray?
[08:25]  * genii pops in for a sip and contemplates what "diFlannellayed" might be
[08:25] <Flannel> genii: I'm sort of wondering that too.  how "sp" expands to me...
[08:25] <genii> Yeah I thought that was weird
[09:00] <Myrtti> good morning
[09:55] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell marcino about pm
[10:13] <Tm_T> hi Myrtti
[10:21] <jpds> jussi01: It makes nice company.
[11:26] <Slart> Can someone please tell me if Keal in #ubuntu is really just a troll or a bit slow.. my vote is for troll but so far he is kind of amusing
[11:28] <Myrtti> I'd vote for a troll as well with the last glance at /lastlog, but let me check again
[11:32] <Slart> seems he/she found something else to do.. thanks anyway
[11:32] <Tm_T> <3
[11:40] <Myrtti> checking
[11:41] <Myrtti> should invite him here
[11:41] <Myrtti> n'est pas?
[11:41] <Tm_T> sure
[11:44] <Myrtti> it seems that he's out there like a snowman
[11:45] <Tm_T> banforward?
[11:47] <elkbuntu> he came back for more?
[11:47] <bazhang> never left afaik
[11:47] <bazhang> hi i china who you ?
[11:56] <elkbuntu> bazhang, i meant keal. i told him off after the ops call, and he went quiet
[11:57] <bazhang> [Keal] (n=jargon@unaffiliated/jargon): ＨＩ Ｉ ＣＨＩＮＡ ＷＨＯ ＹＯＵ
[11:57] <bazhang> elkbuntu, ^^ just referring to that last bit
[11:58] <stdin> multi-byte latin characters, wooh
[11:58] <bazhang> have him in PM now
[11:59] <elkbuntu> ah
[12:00] <bazhang> change to 4bit color?
[12:10] <bazhang> also in -ot; may want to keep an eye as PM has offered zero response
[12:10] <bazhang> ie Keal
[12:10] <bazhang> going to remove from ubuntu
[12:15] <bazhang> once removed now he is responding with some rather colorful language
[12:35] <topyli> yes i see him on -ot. doesn't make much sense so far
[12:39] <bazhang> right; he was doing the same in PM, how he is the only one who understands things that ubuntu does not support etc
[12:40] <bazhang> haha he admits to making no sense
[12:47] <topyli> wonderful character
[12:51] <topyli> going to the bank, can't babysit him
[13:04] <bazhang> seems to be out and out trolling in -ot now
 dougsko then tell me, how is unix in any way more secure than any other operating system?
[13:25] <elkbuntu> just move him along
[13:25] <elkbuntu> he's annoying too many people and wasting far too much op time
[13:28] <jussi01> its amazing, I found salt and vinegar chips in finland! from a finnish brand!! :D
[13:28] <Myrtti> jussi01: I saw them two years ago
[13:28] <jussi01> Myrtti: shut up.
[13:28]  * Myrtti shuts up
[13:29] <jussi01> Myrtti: but they say "new" on them...
[13:29] <jussi01> Estrella brand...
[13:29] <Pici> Too much trolling in -ot lately for my tastes.
[13:29]  * jussi01 trolls Pici
[13:51] <Pici> I have a meeting to attend, can't watch -ot
[13:52] <Myrtti> thanks for the heads up
[14:57] <popey> who runs pastebin.ubuntu.com these days? is it still Dennis?
[14:59] <jpds> popey: Canonical.
[15:00] <popey> oh
[15:00] <jpds> traceroute confirms.
[15:12] <Jack_Sparrow> I thought that got handled quite awhile back
[15:12] <Jack_Sparrow> He is thinking of reviving the source.list generator page.. which is very cool
[15:13] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[15:13] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[15:27]  * jussi01 really likes the !offline link fron Lj-L
[16:04] <Myrtti> fosdem fosdem tralalala
[16:04] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yeah, that's more important than young baby girl for you...
[16:04]  * Tm_T hides
[16:05] <Myrtti> hm
[16:05]  * Myrtti hides as well
[16:05]  * Tm_T drags Myrtti from hide
[16:12] <Mez>  kinky
[16:12] <Tm_T> Mez: if you knew how kinky...
[16:13] <Myrtti> ok, here's a riddle
[16:13] <Myrtti> I have a pack of microfiber cloths
[16:14] <Myrtti> the package has four cloths: "taupe", "brown", "red" and "cream"
[16:14] <Myrtti> what I see in the package is "light brown", "brown", "red" and "nearly white"
[16:15] <Myrtti> I can rule out "red" and "nearly white" out of the equasion
[16:15] <Myrtti> but which is "taupe" and which is "brown"?
[16:15] <Mez> is one "greyish"?
[16:16] <Mez> and taupe is probably the darker one
[16:17] <Mez> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taupe
[16:21]  * Myrtti takes a picture
[16:23] <Mez> I'd say that the one between red and cream was taupe
[16:24] <Myrtti> http://flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3233609933/
[16:24] <Myrtti> and I myself would pick the lighter one...
[16:24] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[16:26] <Mez> call it what you want :D I'd personally call the dark one "chocolate" and the light one "light brown"
[16:26] <Mez> but I didnt name the colours
[16:26] <Myrtti> neither did I
[16:26] <Myrtti> stupid Dunelm
[16:27] <Mez> argh, broken written english ... I hate it, I cant tell if a comment was sarcastic or not
[16:29] <Mez> Myrtti: lol @ space invaders. The game? or the crisps?
[16:30] <Myrtti> the t-shirt
[16:31] <Mez> ah, aw :(
[16:32] <Mez> ooh, tis a wednesday
[16:32]  * Mez goes and checks webcomic
[16:40] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: hehe
[16:40] <nickrud> everyone in sync now :)
[16:40] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[17:09] <Pici> ikonia: fyi, my linode (VPS) uses a custom kernel, but runs 8.10 otherwise.
[17:10] <ikonia> danke
[17:10] <Pici> Linux li15-147 <IP_ADDRESS>-linode14 #1 SMP Thu Nov 6 09:22:58 EST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:16] <jussi01> ikonia: !!!!


[00:05] <sergio_br22> ergh, something happened to trusty and utopic, weird https://code.launchpad.net/~random-stuff/+recipe/m64py
[00:08] <sergio_br22> built the package, but failed to upload
[00:09] <sarnold> INFO File m64py_0.2.2+r161~5~ubuntu15.04.1.tar.xz already exists in Random Stuff, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.
[00:09] <sarnold> launchpad is picky about that
[00:12] <sergio_br22> weird, it was the first package, I just pushed a new commit
[00:12] <sergio_br22> ergh, again
[00:13] <sergio_br22> ok, now it was the second time
[00:15] <sergio_br22> If I delete, I can publish later, right?
[00:22] <sergio_br22> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/203876551/upload_7344573_log.txt
[00:23] <sergio_br22> it does not make sense, it was the commit 4 from nest packaging, then I pushed 5, and tried again. Why it's complaining about "files are already published" ?
[00:24] <sergio_br22> "m64py_0.2.2-0_all.deb"
[00:25] <sergio_br22> ergh, why launchpad didn't put it as "m64py_0.2.2+r161~5~ubuntu14.04.1_all.deb" ?
[00:26] <sergio_br22> it ignored my recipe: {debupstream}+r{revno}~{revno:packaging}
[00:39] <sergio_br22> ah, it's the override_dh_gencontrol:
[09:52] <Adri2000> hi
[09:52] <Adri2000> does ubuntu.com email service for ubuntu members implement SRS ?
[09:55] <wgrant> Adri2000: That's not a Launchpad service, but no, it does not.
[09:55] <wgrant> #canonical-sysadmin is the correct channel.
[12:15] <mpt> Huh, TIL there is another Launchpad installation. https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/
[12:19] <wgrant> Yup, that's been around since 2010 or so.
[12:50] <jpds> wgrant: I like their "Careers" link.
[14:03] <Saviq> wgrant, hey, are there plans to have keyboard shortcuts to jump between inline comments (akin to j/k, n/p)?
[14:03] <Saviq> in Merge Proposals, I should've added
[14:05] <cjwatson> I'm inclined to suggest that n/p should stop at inline comments as well as diff hunk boundaries.
[14:05] <cjwatson> Though I thought I heard wgrant bringing something like that up in review as well so maybe there was a reason not to do that ...
[14:15] <wgrant> Saviq, cjwatson: The current vague plan is that we'll introduce comments as a third granularity.
[14:15] <wgrant> There may be a hundred hunks but only two comments, so navigating them together isn't good enough.
[14:15] <Saviq> +1
[14:15] <cjwatson> I guess if my MP has 100 hunks with comments on three of them then I want to be able to skip through those independently ... yes, that.
[14:16] <Saviq> great /me can't wait
[14:16] <wgrant> It's not completely trivial to have a single cursor between those, but it'll get done.


[00:42] <mattparry> Hi, I've just tried to install Alpha3 alternative, problem with grub installation - anyone have grub issues?
[00:45] <neversfelde> mattparry: nope, but #ubuntu+1 would be a better channel to ask
[01:17] <neversfelde> Riddell: are you around?
[01:17] <neversfelde> nemphis: how is the progress?
[02:47] <shtylman> why is there not a progrss bar with text in qt?
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> Adept had text in its progress bar
[03:00] <shtylman> hmmm
[03:00] <shtylman> did they extend the widget?
[03:00] <shtylman> and make their own...
[03:00] <shtylman> cause the stock one doesn't as far as I can see...
[03:00] <shtylman> oh...and I think something in the new kde libraries causes segfault on exit... or something...
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: it uses the setformat function it seems
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> i18n( "%p% [%1/%2B done, %3B/s] ETA: %4", <variablesgohere>)
[03:17] <shtylman> ahh...so I can have various strings in there as well
[03:17] <shtylman> beyond the %p or whatnot...
[03:17] <shtylman> good to know :) thanks
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> yw
[03:23] <EagleScreen> filelight mola pero es algo inestable, si mientras esta escaneando te pones a tocar otros botones, se cuelga
[03:26] <neversfelde> mhh
[03:26] <neversfelde> EagleScreen: you need spanish support? => #kubuntu-es
[03:27] <EagleScreen> sorry i typed here by error
[03:27] <neversfelde> k
[03:38] <nixternal> what happened to plasma-widget-network-manager?
[03:38] <nixternal> nevermind
[03:38] <nixternal> networkmanagement :)
[03:40] <nixternal> hrmm, why does it pull in network-manager-gnome?
[03:44] <EagleScreen> nixternal: there are two packages for plasma network-manager plasmoid, it may be an error
[03:44] <nixternal> well, plasma-widget-networkmanagement !work
[03:44] <nixternal> plasma-widget-network-manager will not install as it is marked obsolete
[03:44] <EagleScreen> they are plasma-widget-networkmanager and plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[03:45] <nixternal> there is no networkmanager, just network-manager
[03:45] <nixternal> and it will not install as it is marked obsolete in teh repos
[03:45] <EagleScreen> plasma-widget-networkmanagement is the official in Kuubntu now
[03:45] <shtylman> Riddell: lp:~shtylman/ubiquity-slideshow/qt
[03:45] <shtylman> Slideshow-kde.py
[03:45] <nixternal> networkmanagement !work
[03:46] <shtylman> I just did a quick app that seems to do what the gtk side does...
[03:46] <nixternal> it is a crap icon for one, and all you can do is change the shortcut key for it
[03:46] <EagleScreen> i think neither of them works well for now
[03:47] <EagleScreen> in addiction I think there is a bug in network-manager package, it recomemnds network-manager-gnome or plasma-widget-networkmanager and it should recommend plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[03:48] <nixternal> well this sucks
[03:48] <EagleScreen> normal issues in the development release
[03:48] <nixternal> EagleScreen: ya, week one
[03:48] <nixternal> I have been around here for more than 4 years, typically this kind of garbage happens a bit earlier
[03:49] <nixternal> normal issues == laziness || jumping the gun
[03:49] <nixternal> in this case, it seems jumping the gun is the winner
[03:50] <EagleScreen> nixternal: are you having this in karmic?
[03:50] <nixternal> yes
[03:50] <EagleScreen> then it is normally
[03:50] <nixternal> no it isn't dude
[03:51] <EagleScreen> karmic suffers on constant changes that break things temporary
[03:51] <nixternal> the first month, OK, not post alpha3
[03:51] <nixternal> EagleScreen: as did warty, hoary, dapper, and so on and so forth
[03:51] <EagleScreen> Alpha versions can suffer regresions
[03:52] <nixternal> nevermind, thanks
[03:52] <nixternal> these types of regressions are for the first month...if this type of regression is expected, it needs to be communicated...I am tired of these somewhat idiotic moves
[04:59] <neversfelde> http://kubuntu-de.org is now a kubuntu.org twin
[05:00] <neversfelde> nemphis: you absolutely rock, thank you for all your work
[05:01] <nemphis> thx
[05:01] <nemphis> :)
[05:03] <maco> nixternal: have you missed out on the interesting beta issues the last year?
[05:04] <maco> hardy... compile flags changed and libc was updated and systems stopped booting... intrepid...dunno, didnt use it, something probably happened that i forgot about though... jaunty... intel driver goes insane 2 weeks before release
[05:41] <zayx> hey developer dudes
[05:41] <zayx> is not beig able to shutdown/reboot through kde dialogues a knowen packaging issue?
[08:07]  * Gon ausente: Ausente por el momento
[09:47] <allee-k> Anyone knows the proper way to extract from passwd the full-name in GECOS?
[09:47] <allee-k> in C++ ^^
[16:12] <Riddell> shtylman: genius!
[16:46] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you ack this launchpad bug 407727 ?
[16:47] <lex79> thanks
[17:21] <Zorael^2> Will there be eventually be an openoffice.org-kde package in karmic? Doesn't seem to be one so far, and it looks horrid without it.
[17:27] <Riddell> Zorael^2: yes
[17:46] <maco> is using kde the reason my openoffice.org uses text with no images for all the buttons and confuses the HECK out of me?
[17:54] <Riddell> yes, there's no kde theme currently, I'll poke Chris next week to see when the kde 4 one will appear
[17:55] <Riddell> you should be able to install the gnome one though
[18:17] <RioKuro> hey everybody
[18:17] <RioKuro> does anybody know how to set my global cflags?
[18:57] <Zorael^2> Riddell: the gnome one? openoffice.org-style-human, or -default?
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Debian experimental has the kde4 stuff in their 3.1.1 packages, btw
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> 3.1.1 prerelease packages, that is
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> lex79: acked
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> except arora crashed
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> too bad apport didn't get it
[19:20] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I was wrong, kphotoalbum need pkg-kde-tools 0.4.11, in ubuntu is 0.4.6 :(
[19:23] <lex79> I posted my comment in LP, sorry.
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> somebody need to merge that I guess
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Plasma NM bugs are almost under control. I killed 20 duplicates and moved 20 more over to the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package as they were triaged
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Still needs a bit of work if anybody's interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager
[19:56] <allee-k__> Riddell: I've added a fix for bug 390396
[20:00] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: you asked yesterday about userconfig.   I'm interested in some pykde work.  Is there somewhere a TODO for it?
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if there's a formal TODO yet. Last I saw, there was a call for testing put out to the kubuntu-devel mailing list, with a package of the (still latest) bzr snapshot at https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> allee-k: ^
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/userconfig-kde4 <- also
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> On the ML, it was proposed that once it got LDAP and samba integration that it could probably replace KUser
[20:09] <_Sime> I'm not sure if that is really needed...
[20:09] <_Sime> I'm also not sure who we would have to convice to get userconfig into kde svn.
[20:42] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: thx
[20:42] <allee-k> _Sime: ldap would be nice. as we here will soon: nis => ldap + krb ;)
[20:52] <_Sime> allee-k: yeah, but, if you were administering a network would you use userconfig or a tool from your server vendor?
[20:52] <_Sime> I'm not sure if userconfig should even aim at that scenario.
[20:52] <_Sime> maybe just for non-networked PCs.
[20:52] <_Sime> local accounts.
[20:59] <allee-k> _Sime: If aim would be not-networked Kubuntu desktop/netbook, then IMO there would be no need to let userconfig primary interface show 'all' of  passwd/shadow/group
[21:00] <_Sime> allee-k: that might be true too
[21:07] <allee-k> mhmm, direct addressbook  link or/and integration would be more helpful
[22:23] <davmor2> Riddell: did you get to the bottom of what is causing the issue with the live cds?
[23:33] <Riddell> davmor2:  system-config-printer-udev: Conflicts: hal-cups-utils but 0.6.19+git20090217-0ubuntu7 is to be installed
[23:34] <davmor2> Meh who needs to print anyway right?
[23:39] <Riddell> it'll get fixed with 4.3.0 on monday
[23:40] <davmor2> Riddell: cool so tuesday's cd's should be good to test again then?
[23:40] <Riddell> hope so
[23:40] <davmor2> cool
[23:45] <davmor2> Riddell: will that mean that the work shtylman has put into the ubiquity-kde front end will then show up too :)  /me hopes so it looks nice :)
[23:53] <seele> hmm.. would have liked to see a few more of my changes i recommended in the ubiquity ui
[23:53]  * seele shrugs
[23:56] <shtylman> seele: I think I got all your recommendations in


[02:51] <pleia2> meeting in ~10 minutes
[02:57] <grantbow> w00t made it
[02:58] <grantbow> hello from buttonwilow, lol
[02:58] <grantbow> buttonwillow
[02:58] <pleia2> hey grantbow
[02:59] <philipballew> grantbow, buttonwillow is nice
[02:59] <philipballew> drive through often
[02:59] <pleia2> hehe
[02:59] <grantbow> lol
[03:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[03:00] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the meeting? :)
[03:00] <philipballew> here
[03:01] <grantbow> aloha
[03:01]  * eps is not entirely here
[03:01] <josheboy> I am
[03:01] <pleia2> great, welcome everyone!
[03:02] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12November18
[03:02] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12November18 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:02] <pleia2> our agenda is empty :)
[03:02] <pleia2> I guess I can give some updates
[03:02] <pleia2> I've shipped out CDs to San Diego, Lake Forest and Los Angeles
[03:02] <pleia2> s/CDs/DVDs
[03:03] <eps> :-)
[03:03] <pleia2> I haven't heard back from the silicon valley folks about DVDs, but hopefully they'll find time to reply so I can get some down there to San Jose and Mt View
[03:03] <philipballew> so I was able to hand out several of these already
[03:04] <pleia2> we do have some 12.04 CDs left over too, this week I'll go through them to make sure our wiki is up to date, they're LTS so it's ok to have leftovers :)
[03:04] <pleia2> philipballew: yay!
[03:04] <grantbow> LTS = good for newbies
[03:04] <josheboy> <--- newbie
[03:04] <pleia2> and servers, companies, etc ;)
[03:04] <philipballew> We here in San Diego had our Ubuntu hour this Thursday and had 3 people besides myself. I have a few lts here I still hand out as well.
[03:05] <pleia2> josheboy: nice to have some new faces here :) welcome
[03:05] <josheboy> Thanks much :)
[03:05]  * philipballew high fives josheboy
[03:05] <kallecarl> Hello, new to the meeting want to invite Ubuntu folks to http://www.qtdeveloperdays.com/northamerica/ Dec 5 -7. Jono confirmed tonight that he will be on the panel about open source tablets
[03:05] <darthrobot`> Title: [Qt Developer Days]
[03:05] <pleia2> kallecarl: cool, thanks!
[03:05] <pleia2> kallecarl: is there an announcement you can forward to the mailing list?
[03:05] <kallecarl> list address
[03:05] <grantbow> nice
[03:05] <kallecarl> ?
[03:05] <kallecarl> grantbow: howdy
[03:05] <pleia2> kallecarl<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:06] <kallecarl> pleia2: not really an announcement I guess
[03:06] <kallecarl> just the URL for the conference
[03:06] <kallecarl> will do though
[03:06] <pleia2> kallecarl: ok, thanks
[03:06] <eps> Isn't it horrifically expensive to attend?
[03:06] <grantbow> nice adjective
[03:07] <pleia2> hehe
[03:08] <grantbow> Santa Clara with a free three day pass? Not too horrific.
[03:08] <pleia2> another thing I wanted to mention is how we plan events
[03:09] <philipballew> kallecarl, If you are advertising it here, can LoCo members here get in for free or a good price?
[03:09] <kallecarl> eps: there are a few complimentary passes
[03:09] <pleia2> we've gone from having pretty strict rules to having essentally none, which some people are taking advantage of now - to the extent of sometimes not even telling the rest of the team they're having what they call Ubuntu California events ;(
[03:09] <pleia2> :(
[03:09] <kallecarl> please email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:09] <philipballew> pleia2, This is a problem.
[03:10] <pleia2> so today I created a wiki page to help people understand the minimum requirements for hosting an event (and akk helped me clean it up): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/HowTo
[03:10] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/HowTo - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:10] <pleia2> this is now linked on our Projects page
[03:10] <grantbow> sounds good
[03:10] <philipballew> +1
[03:10] <pleia2> should be helpful for for all of us really :) we forget how many resources we have!
[03:11] <grantbow> true
[03:11] <pleia2> it's a wiki, so please feel free to make edits as needed, that's really my first stab at it
[03:11] <pleia2> I'm hoping this will be enough to solve the problem of rogue events ;)
[03:12] <eps> Speaking of Projects ...
[03:13] <eps> SCALE 11x -- http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale11x/
[03:13] <darthrobot`> Title: [SCALE 11x]
[03:13] <pleia2> oh gosh, that's coming up fast
[03:13] <eps> Hello!
[03:13] <pleia2> I'm skipping this year :(
[03:14] <eps> Philip?
[03:14] <philipballew> eps, Ill be there
[03:14] <philipballew> I can run the booth for the loco if needed
[03:14] <philipballew> since I live down here somewhat and not
[03:14] <eps> So, I guess it goes on the Projects page.
[03:14] <pleia2> yeah
[03:14] <pleia2> can copy the 10x page probably and adjust accordingly :)
[03:15] <pleia2> also follow up with nhaines to see if there will be an Ubucon too
[03:15] <philipballew> probably nhaines and iheartubuntu will help with all the people from their hours
[03:15] <grantbow> another Ubucon would be great
[03:15] <pleia2> grantbow: yeah :)
[03:15] <eps> Find some discount codes for attendees, and figure out what you need from people who are interested in volunteering
[03:15] <philipballew> I'm gonna set up a page for hotel/ride sharing for people so were all not booked in out own hotels if we dont want to
[03:16] <pleia2> philipballew: that's great!
[03:16] <grantbow> eps: Volunteering? Thanks for that ;-)
[03:16] <pleia2> let me know if you have any questions logistically, I am not sure who is working with Gareth to arrange the booth
[03:16] <philipballew> the hilton is somewhat $$ compared to ones a few blocks away as well. and there is parking around for people driving from sf
[03:17] <eps> grantbow: Would you prefer ... conscription?
[03:17] <pleia2> I just can't attend because I have too much happening this year (changing jobs, getting married)
[03:17]  * philipballew still wants to see a "scale or bust" sign on a car
[03:17] <pleia2> turns out you can't actually take 2 months a year off for conferences and honeymoon... ;)
[03:18] <philipballew> :)
[03:18] <mikestewart> honeymoon at SCaLE!
[03:18] <mikestewart> :-P
[03:18]  * mikestewart back to luring
[03:18]  * mikestewart back to lurking
[03:18] <philipballew> I have a good thing to mention
[03:19] <philipballew> Our loco member dave (iheartubuntu) came out of the woodwork this week to pull a victory for Ubuntu/linux with that netflix app he helped make. So whenever you see the news about that, know it was made possible from someone who came from our loco.
[03:19] <pleia2> philipballew: oh yes, good catch
[03:19] <grantbow> excellent!
[03:19] <pleia2> mikestewart: getting married in April :) and I'd like to go somewhere more exciting than LA ;)
[03:19] <josheboy> oh wow. that's pretty cool
[03:20] <pleia2> http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/11/ppa-for-netflix-desktop-app.html
[03:20] <darthrobot`> Title: [PPA for Netflix Desktop App | iheartubuntu]
[03:20] <pleia2> the Ubuntu Developer Summit will probably happen during my honeymoon, but he wasn't thrilled with that honeymoon idea
[03:21] <philipballew> I want to see a plenary session where you get married by markdude pleia2
[03:21] <eps> Do we know where the next UDS will be held?
[03:21] <pleia2> philipballew: hahahah
[03:21] <pleia2> eps: nope :\
[03:22] <grantbow> hopefully Oakland
[03:22] <pleia2> ok, anyone else have anything?
[03:22] <grantbow> How about shirts? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Shirts
[03:22] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Shirts - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:22] <pleia2> grantbow: oh yes! what were your thoughts here?
[03:23] <kallecarl> pleia2: i didn't sign up for the mailing list. Just mailed the address you gave
[03:23] <kallecarl> the QtDevDays announce
[03:23] <pleia2> kallecarl: thanks, I'll let it through
[03:23] <grantbow> Let's have an art contest again and get some more printed.
[03:23] <philipballew> grantbow, I like this idea. If we get them made up by scale we can pass them out there
[03:23] <grantbow> Canonical colors have changed so at least updating colors will be good.
[03:24] <grantbow> both Canonical and Community colors
[03:24] <eps> No more aubergine? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!
[03:24] <pleia2> so are we proposing a full logo redesign
[03:24] <philipballew> who will print them grantbow ?
[03:24] <grantbow> yes
[03:24] <kallecarl> at LinuxCon, there were the coolest shirts. Not screened like a big hunk of plastic but rather dyed into the shirt
[03:24] <pleia2> eps: yes aubergine, but we haven't updated our stuff for even that change...
[03:24] <kallecarl> drivemg.com is the contact
[03:24] <pleia2> eps: our logo is still the old old old ubuntu logo
[03:24] <grantbow> our colors for the old shirt were pre-aubergine
[03:25] <philipballew> IDEA! Hold a contest from the ml to get design ideas, and the winner gets a free shirt.
[03:25] <eps> Is there a URL with design guidelines?
[03:25] <pleia2> philipballew: we can't really promise that :( no one to $$$$ for the shirts
[03:25] <grantbow> If we design it we'll find someone to print it. Maybe the person that did it last time.
[03:25]  * mikestewart can't imagine much more *exciting* than LA ... but ya, wouldn't honeymoon here (or SCaLE) either.
[03:25] <philipballew> true.
[03:25] <pleia2> (unless you're volunteering :))
[03:25] <grantbow> Ernest Rogers
[03:26] <grantbow> we can ask him
[03:26] <pleia2> mikestewart: maybe exotic is the right word (boo more california ;))
[03:26] <philipballew> pleia2, I can look into printing them at a shop near me here if I have some funds
[03:26] <josheboy> I live in LA, and I took my very recent honeymoon far away from here, haha. And no laptops either. It was very refreshing :p
[03:26] <philipballew> so if people pre order them, but not sure if people would want that
[03:26] <grantbow> no reason we can't do multiple printings too
[03:26] <philipballew> agreed
[03:26] <grantbow> though probably not necessary yet
[03:26] <pleia2> ok, so can someone take an action item to put together a wiki page for this new design contest and organize it on list?
[03:26] <philipballew> yes
[03:26] <pleia2> josheboy: congrats!
[03:27] <grantbow> I can organize it
[03:27] <pleia2> ok great :)
[03:27] <grantbow> and do a wiki page
[03:27] <josheboy> pleia2: Thanks. And congrats on the near future nuptuals :)
[03:27] <pleia2> josheboy: thank you :)
[03:27] <grantbow> +1
[03:27] <pleia2> wow, this was a productive meeting!
[03:27] <pleia2> anything else?
[03:27] <grantbow> not bad for a blank agenda
[03:27] <pleia2> indeed
[03:27] <eps> Other than not ordering purple and orange M&Ms, what other disasters should I know about?
[03:28]  * mikestewart lives in long beach.
[03:28] <grantbow> eps: please propose a design in the contest that is soon to come.
[03:28] <pleia2> eps: do they have purple?
[03:28] <mikestewart> did you guys firgure out whos working with Gareth on SCaLE booth?
[03:28] <philipballew> mikestewart, come down to san diego!
[03:28] <josheboy> mikestewart: I live in North Hollywood
[03:29] <pleia2> philipballew: will you contact Gareth to see who he has down for the ubuntu booth contact?
[03:29] <mikestewart> philipballew, san diego is an awesome place to visit.  as is sf bay area.
[03:29] <philipballew> pleia2, will do
[03:29] <pleia2> great
[03:29] <philipballew> mikestewart, all the more reason to come here and say hello
[03:29] <philipballew> and get a free ubuntu cd
[03:29] <mikestewart> philipballew, I wouldn't mind being backup help for the booth
[03:29] <eps> pleia2: www.mymms.com (and yes, they are appropriate for weddings)
[03:30]  * mikestewart is an organizer of #drupal-la
[03:30] <philipballew> mikestewart, yeah, Lets do that.
[03:30] <mikestewart> we'll have a booth, too
[03:30] <grantbow> Oh, I burned some 12.04 and special 12.10 CD size images. I will let the list know when I get a chance to test the 12.10 CDs.
[03:30] <pleia2> eps: just proposed pink m&m wedding favors and got a funny look, then he goes "whatever you want, hon"
[03:30] <pleia2> mikestewart: cool
[03:30] <mikestewart> philipballew, where are you in sandiego?
[03:30] <philipballew> alright. I gtg get back to my homework
[03:30] <philipballew> ah
[03:31] <philipballew> mikestewart, Point Loma
[03:31] <pleia2> grantbow: cool, thanks
[03:31] <kallecarl> pleia2: whatever you want, hon...already trained well
[03:31] <josheboy> "whatever you want, hon" is the perfect soon-to-be groom answer
[03:31] <pleia2> josheboy: +1
[03:31] <pleia2> kallecarl: too
[03:31] <pleia2> :)
[03:31]  * mikestewart is not sure how close that is to stone brewery  -- a major reason to get in the car for the SD trip.  besides legoland for the kids
[03:31] <pleia2> ok, we can wrap up this meeting :)
[03:31] <grantbow> great meeting! thanks for chairing pleia2
[03:31] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[03:31] <kallecarl> thank you
[03:31] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[03:31] <darthrobot`> Meeting ended Mon Nov 19 03:31:57 2012 UTC.
[03:31] <darthrobot`> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2012/ubuntu-us-ca.2012-11-19-03.00.moin.txt
[03:33] <grantbow> thanks all for participating! See you next time.
[03:35] <eps> I'm looking at http://design.ubuntu.com/ and I'm not seeing any "new" colors
[03:35] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Brand Guidelines]
[03:39] <eps> Nothing's jumping out at me on ubuntu-art
[03:48] <pleia2> eps: we tried to explain it to you, our logo is from years ago we haven't updated for the purple and orange rebranding from a few years ago
[03:48] <pleia2> so it's not "new" - it's the rebranding where the orange, yellow and red went away in 2009
[03:48] <pleia2> er, 2008
[03:49] <eps> Oh, I thought there was a *third* iteration. :-(
[03:49] <pleia2> nope, we're still on the 1st, we'd like to get to the 2nd (current)
[03:50] <eps> No, of the "official" color scheme.
[03:52] <pleia2> ah, well our logo isn't using the current one
[03:52] <eps> Are we being pressured to change?
[03:53] <pleia2> no
[03:54] <pleia2> getting our logo in sync with the rest of the ubuntu project is a project proposal, aligned with the intention to get more shirts printed
[03:54] <pleia2> we don't have to, but it does make sense
[03:54] <eps> What we've got is pretty awesome. Change for the sake of change is not progress.
[03:55] <pleia2> it's not for the sake of change, it's for brand solidarity
[03:55] <pleia2> and we don't have to, you're welcome to propose that we stick with the old design :)
[03:55] <eps> So, I'm not going to be able to talk you into an "8-bit" version? ;-)
[03:55] <pleia2> maybe we'll even include it when the team votes
[03:55] <pleia2> haha
[03:55] <nUboon2age> I wouldn't insist on it, but I do have to say its nice to have a logo that uses the classic Ubuntu look.
[03:56] <nUboon2age> we had the three color look before Google did :-)
[03:57] <nUboon2age> I got a Google pin along with a chrome book the other day. :-)
[03:58] <pleia2> nUboon2age: can you please check your email? I've been trying to get ahold of you or someone in SV for almost a week now and no one is replying :(
[03:58] <pleia2> need to get some DVDs down your way
[03:58] <eps> When I was a kid, I used to read Scientific American. One of the regular features was "50 years ago" and "100 years ago" using typography reminiscent of those eras. It would be cool to do "Ubuntu through the ages" ... kind of a revisionist history, going back to the age of clay tablets.
[03:58] <nUboon2age> oh, sure.  sorry I didn't see it.
[03:59] <pleia2> nUboon2age: first emails on Tuesday, another today about event requirements
[04:12] <nUboon2age> okay I found the email just now pleia2
[04:13] <pleia2> nUboon2age: great, just need to figure out how to get some DVDs down there
[04:13] <pleia2> we have fewer this time because they're DVDs, so I want to make sure you guys get some before they're gone
[04:14] <nUboon2age> btw, I went over to the re-computer.org (kinda along the lines of partimus) location this afternoon with Debbie and met Aaron Castle
[04:14] <pleia2> cool, never heard of them
[04:14] <nUboon2age> i told him about this team and urged him to join us
[04:14] <pleia2> yay :)
[04:15] <pleia2> we don't actually do recycling or resale, partimus just puts donated computers in schools
[04:15] <pleia2> we work with some recyclers though, that's where we get some of our parts
[04:15] <pleia2> ah, time for me to run off to dinner!
[04:15] <pleia2> have a good night :)
[04:15] <nUboon2age> and he'll be holding a gathering next Sunday 3-5pm
[04:15] <pleia2> cool, something we can attend..or?
[04:16] <pleia2> Sunday is BerkeleyLUG and I promised a few folks I'd finally make it up
[04:16] <nUboon2age> most definitely!  1000 Amphlet i think
[04:16] <pleia2> but if there are events in the future :)
[04:16] <pleia2> ok, actually going out the door now
[04:16] <pleia2> later
[04:16] <pleia2> oh and please send a mail to the list if you wish other loco folks to get involved! ;)
[04:19] <nUboon2age> 1000 S. Amphlett Blvd, San Mateo
[04:20] <nUboon2age> yup, i was telling him about the e-mail list and he'll do the announcing
[04:24] <nUboon2age> jtatum missed ya at Ubuntu Hour: SV Akkana, Dave, Debbie, Mark Roest and three fellows who are Ubuntians anyway but hadn't heard of the get together:-)  Lyz was wanting you to make sure you got the dates onto the LoCo directory.
[04:24] <nUboon2age> and that you made sure to announce them on the e-mail list
[04:25] <nUboon2age> I told her that its your baby and i didn't want to interrupt whatever your process is for all that.
[04:26] <nUboon2age> hey arno_ , good to see you here.  :-)