[01:01] <stinger_au> morning
[01:01] <stinger_au> Question: is there a install manual for ubuntu
[01:01] <stinger_au> what does OEM mode mean and LTSP server mode mean ?
[01:03] <maxamillion> stinger_au: install manual ... yes, what those things mean i have no idea but lemme get you a link for the install manual
[01:04] <stinger_au> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingXubuntu
[01:04] <stinger_au> i have found this
[01:04] <stinger_au> so far
[01:06] <maxamillion> yeah, that's the one i was going to give you actually
[01:06] <stinger_au> still does not explain what the different options are :(
[01:07] <maxamillion> yeah, i dunno
[01:12] <LordGamer> anyone know if the Ubuntu DVD installs the wireless client like Ubuntu Mint does?
[01:13] <MagicFab> stinger_au, OEM lets you do a default install where only language, password  and a few questions remain for a user to answer
[01:14] <MagicFab> stinger_au, LTSP let you setup a local client /server setup (like  classroom)
[01:15] <maxamillion> LordGamer: which wireless client? ... there are a few of them
[01:15] <LordGamer> doesnt really matter
[01:15] <LordGamer> just need one
[01:16] <maxamillion> LordGamer: i use wifi-radar ... i like that one alot, you going to be running gnome or xfce?
[01:16] <LordGamer> gnome
[01:17] <LordGamer> does that show the connected icon by the clock?
[01:17] <maxamillion> LordGamer: nope, you want http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
[01:18] <LordGamer> oh ok that right!
[01:18] <LordGamer> I knew that :(
[01:18] <maxamillion> LordGamer: and i don't think that is installed by default (but i could be wrong) and if it isn't, it is in the repositories and can be installed via synaptic, apt-get, or aptitude
[01:19] <maxamillion> LordGamer: i don't use gnome so i'm not sure what all they have changed since 5.10
[01:19] <LordGamer> ok cool
[01:19] <LordGamer> what are u using?
[01:19] <maxamillion> xfce
[01:19] <LordGamer> why?
[01:19] <maxamillion> hence xubuntu ;)
[01:20] <maxamillion> LordGamer: i like it better
[01:20] <LordGamer> :P
[01:20] <LordGamer> never thought about the x :P
[01:20] <LordGamer> I dont think there is a gubuntu :P
[01:21] <maxamillion> LordGamer: no, ubuntu uses gnome by default but kubuntu and xubuntu are "branch" or "child" distros which use different configurations (kde and xfce respectively)
[01:21] <LordGamer> ah
[01:43] <grazie> maxamillion: let me know what you think...http://linuxgrazie.brinkster.net/XubuntuTransparency.html
[01:43] <maxamillion> grazie: oh awesome, thanks ... i'll keep that in mind
[01:43] <grazie> maxamillion: wanted to put it on the wiki, but didn't seem to fit in really
[01:44] <grazie> maxamillion: let me know if it works when you get a chance
[01:44] <maxamillion> grazie: ok
[01:45] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah, its good
[01:57] <linux_> i can't install xubuntu in either normal or graphics mode because it won't recognize my video card (an old 4 MB one)
[01:57] <linux_> any suggestions?
[02:02] <linux_> anyone in here?
[02:03] <linux_> darn, can't even start xubuntu on the lowest graphics settings
[02:03] <linux_> is there a way to set the refresh rate slower than 60 Hz when installing Xubuntu 6.10?
[02:03] <bigredradio> I'm trying to add a sudo app to the launcher. Anyone know how I can do this? Basically run an app as root from the launcher.
[02:03] <linux_> don't think anyone is in here bigredradio
[02:04] <neozen> .......i think the solution you're looking for is gsudo
[02:05] <bigredradio> neozen: I don't have it installed. I'll give it a try but this is for xfce not gnome.
[02:06] <linux_> anyone now how to set the refresh rate to install xubuntu?
[02:06] <linux_> in the boot options
[02:11] <Prestwick> Heya, I've got an atheros based wifi card arriving tomorrow, how good is xubuntu with madwifi?
[02:12] <neozen> bigred: ::nods:: xfce might work w/ it
[02:12] <neozen> ...haven't really messed w/ it much
[02:12] <neozen> ....could always just have it open in a terminal
[02:14] <neozen> and then just punch in your password into the terminal when standard sudo asks for it
[02:15] <neozen> but there's got to be a better way
[02:15] <neozen> ...since synaptic/etc know to ask for your password so they can access the proper files
[02:15] <stinger_au> linux_, i would do it in the xorg.confg file
[02:16] <stinger_au> linux_, i am new to xubuntu installing it now but i run gentoo on my desktop
[02:23] <Prestwick> any answers on the madwifi front yet guys?
[02:25] <Prestwick> Any at all...? Guess not :<
[02:30] <bigredradio> Prestwick: missinged the question
[02:30] <bigredradio> s/missinged/missed
[02:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> bigredradio: gksudo will give you the graphical password prompt.
[02:30] <Prestwick> Oh sorry ^^;
[02:31] <Prestwick> Heya, I've got an atheros based wifi card arriving tomorrow (a Netgear WG511T), how good is xubuntu with madwifi?
[02:31] <bigredradio> PuMpErNiCkLe: Thanks. I updated sudoers to not need a passwd. Not secure, but I am the only users.
[02:38] <stinger_au> during the install it never asked me to set the root password ?
[02:38] <stinger_au> is there a default root password
[02:41] <neozen> prest ...to my knowledge works just fine
[02:41] <Prestwick> Ah okay, thanks Neozen ^^
[02:42] <neozen> seen a metric #$@load of tutorials regarding it on the ubuntu forums
[02:42] <neozen> sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome
[02:42] <neozen> and run nm-applet
[02:42] <neozen> ...and perhaps it will work for you as mine did
[02:42] <neozen> <---- has an intel pro 3945abg
[02:44] <neozen> I'll look around for you
[02:44] <Prestwick> Okay, I'll install that now and try it when I get it tomorrow
[02:45] <neozen> makes it really easy (if it works)
[02:45] <neozen> you get system-tray point and click networking
[02:49] <Prestwick> yeah its working. I'm testing it on my wired connection
[02:50] <neozen> according to this: http://www.technudgelive.com/linux/?page_id=10 that particular card is supported by the kernel
[02:50] <Prestwick> Oh excellent, thanks Neozen, how can I get nm-applet to start automatically? Just save the session when I close?
[02:51] <neozen> yeah
[02:51] <neozen> ..that'd do it
[02:51] <Prestwick> okay, excellent :)
[02:51] <neozen> *should
[02:54] <Prestwick> Thanks for the help then! :)
[02:58] <neozen> ....hello
[02:59] <syd> hello ...anyone else having problems with download speed for flashplayer ?
[02:59] <neozen> ...I haven't noticed any issues
[03:00] <neozen> then again.... I'm still using an older flashplayer
[03:00] <syd> i have  a broadband connection and ftp download from macromedia is about 2kbs
[03:00] <neozen> hmmmm
[03:01] <neozen> eww
[03:01] <neozen> allo unikon
[03:02] <unikon> hello there
[03:06] <stinger_au> yo
[03:06] <stinger_au> i have a radeon video card which i am trying to install
[03:06] <stinger_au> i installed the drivers
[03:06] <stinger_au> but still got very bad refresh rate
[03:06] <neozen> hmm
[03:06] <stinger_au> and xorg.conf does not seem to have been updated
[03:07] <neozen> have you tried easyubuntu?
[03:07] <stinger_au> ?
[03:07] <neozen> just a sec
[03:07] <stinger_au> i have gentoo running on my desktop
[03:07] <stinger_au> so if you have a howto for radeon install for xubuntu i will be happy
[03:07] <neozen> ......oh
[03:07] <neozen> yeah
[03:07] <neozen> I have one for xubuntu
[03:08] <stinger_au> he he i.e i am not such a big noob
[03:08] <neozen> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[03:08] <neozen> ....go there
[03:08] <neozen> ...download the package
[03:08] <neozen> ..install
[03:08] <neozen> add the specified key to the registry
[03:08] <neozen> *key area..... you know what I mean
[03:08] <unikon> anyone using a all in one printer,flatbed scanner,copier  with Xubuntu Dapper
[03:09] <neozen> and then go the system menu
[03:09] <neozen> ...select easyubuntu
[03:09] <neozen> go into the system tab...
[03:09] <stinger_au> hmm is this going to bloat my distro ?
[03:09] <neozen> lol
[03:09] <neozen> not really
[03:09] <neozen> ....should only install stuff needed to do what the individual options promise
[03:10] <neozen> in the system tab... select the ati checkbox
[03:10] <neozen> and push ok
[03:10] <neozen> ...you may have to enter your password
[03:10] <neozen> ....it should do all the work
[03:11] <stinger_au> so is there a normal way to install radeon drivers ?
[03:11] <neozen> ...probably
[03:11] <neozen> ....that's just the method I've used with success thusfar
[03:11] <stinger_au> k
[03:12] <stinger_au> well the whole idea about linux is to learn things i guess i do that with my gentoo install, so if this is how things are done in ubuntu ill give it a try
[03:12] <neozen> yeah
[03:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's just an automation tool.  You can do it manually if you want.
[03:12] <neozen> I've just never done it
[03:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> fwiw, the radeon driver is pre-installed.  fglrx, the binary ati driver, is the one that isn't.
[03:13] <neozen> ...I stand corrected
[03:13] <neozen> (no ati card here)
[03:18] <stinger_au> lol
[03:19] <neozen> working yet?
[03:19] <stinger_au> installing this easy thing
[03:19] <neozen> yeah
[03:19] <neozen> obviously end-user oriented
[03:19] <neozen> ...but... it works
[03:19] <neozen> ....provided nothing goes wrong
[03:19] <stinger_au> lol i am use to gentoo
[03:19] <stinger_au> have to do everything yourself
[03:20] <stinger_au> and lots of howtos
[03:20] <neozen> well... welcome to ubuntu
[03:20] <stinger_au> lol
[03:20] <stinger_au> well this is my server
[03:20] <stinger_au> webmin sounded very nice
[03:20] <neozen> ::shrugs::
[03:20] <neozen> I just ssh
[03:21] <neozen> but if it works for you
[03:21] <neozen> ...go for it
[03:22] <stinger_au> well it saying that the ati drivers are all ready installed
[03:22] <stinger_au> hmm
[03:23] <neozen> ok
[03:23] <neozen> here's where I shut up
[03:23] <neozen> sorry mon
[03:24] <neozen> what are you getting the bad framerate in?
[03:28] <stinger_au> ok there fixed
[03:28] <stinger_au> i just had to update the xorg.conf
[03:28] <stinger_au> ok so this packages manager apt-get
[03:28] <stinger_au> it does not have the full list of programs in it by the looks of it
[03:28] <neozen> yes
[03:28] <stinger_au> webmin is not listed
[03:28] <neozen> ..though I recommend aptitude
[03:28] <stinger_au> do i have to add more sources to it ?
[03:28] <neozen> yes
[03:29] <neozen> there are two ways
[03:29] <neozen> ...gui
[03:29] <neozen> ..or terminal
[03:29] <stinger_au> i like terminal
[03:29] <neozen> kk
[03:29] <stinger_au> where can i update there package source
[03:29] <neozen> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:29] <stinger_au> sweet
[03:29] <neozen> look for the universe repository
[03:30] <neozen> ..uncomment it
[03:30] <neozen> save file
[03:30] <neozen> then run sudo aptitude update
[03:30] <neozen> then sudo aptitude install webmin
[03:30] <neozen> if its in the repositories
[03:30] <neozen> ..it will be installed
[03:31] <stinger_au> what is aptitude ?
[03:31] <neozen> a front end to apt-get
[03:31] <stinger_au> gui based ?
[03:31] <neozen> can be
[03:31] <neozen> ..but works just fine from the command-line
[03:31] <stinger_au> whats wrong with just apt-get ?
[03:31] <neozen> ok
[03:31] <neozen> ...for example
[03:32] <neozen> ...lets say you install a kde app
[03:32] <neozen> ...like kate
[03:32] <neozen> ...kate requires kde libraries
[03:32] <neozen> ...so apt-get will get those along with the kate package
[03:32] <neozen> ....if you decide you don't want it anymore
[03:32] <stinger_au> yeah
[03:32] <neozen> ..and apt-get purge kate
[03:32] <stinger_au> yeah
[03:32] <neozen> ...those libraries won't get purged
[03:33] <stinger_au> oh
[03:33] <neozen> if you install w/ aptitude
[03:33] <neozen> it remembers what things it installed along with a package
[03:33] <neozen> and will remove them if they are no longer used
[03:33] <neozen> by anything else you have installed with aptitude
[03:33] <neozen> ...this... is a good thing
[03:34] <neozen> thus.. I use aptitude instead of apt-get
[03:34] <neozen> syntax is still the same for the command line of aptitude as for apt-get
[03:34] <stinger_au> sweet
[03:34] <stinger_au> ok sounds good
[03:35] <neozen> hmm
[03:35] <neozen> doesn't appear to be a package named webmin in the repositories
[03:35] <neozen> are you sure you have the name right?
[03:36] <stinger_au> http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/setup-your-computer-to-be-router.html
[03:36] <stinger_au> how do i start up ssh
[03:36] <neozen> as in ssh server?
[03:36] <stinger_au> its not in /etc/init.d
[03:37] <neozen> or ssh client?
[03:37] <stinger_au> server
[03:37] <stinger_au> sshd
[03:37] <stinger_au> so i can ssh into the server
[03:37] <neozen> just a sec
[03:37] <stinger_au> instead of comming backwards and forwards to my computer
[03:37] <neozen> you have to install it
[03:37] <neozen> probably isn't installed by default
[03:37] <stinger_au> arr ok
[03:37] <neozen> ...look in the repositories
[03:37] <neozen> aptitude search sshd
[03:38] <neozen> got it
[03:38] <neozen> sudo aptitude install openssh-server
[03:38] <neozen> ..that'll install it ... generate keys... set it for autostart
[03:39] <neozen> ...and start the daemon
[03:39] <neozen> ......package managers are nice
[03:39] <neozen> sorry for the delay
[03:40] <stinger_au> oh
[03:40] <stinger_au> i did apt-get install ssh
[03:40] <stinger_au> lol
[03:40] <stinger_au> and yeah when i try to ssh in i get nusty message
[03:40] <neozen> yeah
[03:40] <stinger_au> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
[03:40] <neozen> LOL
[03:41] <neozen> so just run the command I told you
[03:41] <neozen> and type Y when appropriate
[03:41] <neozen> it will be completely set up
[03:44] <neozen> got it?
[03:44] <stinger_au> i ran the command
[03:44] <stinger_au> it says that packages where held back
[03:44] <neozen> you might want to sudo aptitude upgrade
[03:45] <neozen> ..that'll update all packages currently installed to the most up-to-date versions
[03:45] <neozen> it will take awhile
[03:45] <neozen> particularly if you haven't done it before
[03:45] <stinger_au> oh
[03:45] <stinger_au> lol
[03:45] <stinger_au> k
[03:45] <stinger_au> yeah thats like a emerge --update --world --deep in gentoo
[03:45] <neozen> ah
[03:45] <stinger_au> so packages are held back if things are not kept upto date
[03:46] <stinger_au> well ssh seems to be installed
[03:46] <stinger_au> but no keys are setup i think
[03:46] <neozen> aptituding openssh-server should set up keys
[03:46] <neozen> *generate keys automatically
[03:46] <stinger_au> k
[03:46] <neozen> it did for me
[03:47] <stinger_au> so how is this differnt from just ssh
[03:47] <stinger_au> i guess ssh is just the service
[03:47] <neozen> ...i know openssh-server works
[03:47] <neozen> ...and does the right things
[03:47] <neozen> once i learned that.... I stopped worrying about it
[03:48] <stinger_au> lol
[03:48] <stinger_au> k
[03:48] <stinger_au> how do i make aptitude show why it held packages back ?
[03:48] <neozen> I don't know
[03:49] <neozen> ..but usually it holds things back b/c you haven't told it to upgrade them
[03:49] <stinger_au> do you run a server ?
[03:49] <neozen> yes
[03:49] <stinger_au> you should check out this webmin :)
[03:49] <neozen> ubuntu-server edgy based
[03:49] <stinger_au> sounds cool
[03:50] <stinger_au> do you have QoS setup ?
[03:50] <stinger_au> i want a proxy server with QoS
[03:50] <neozen> unless it was set up by default.... no
[03:50] <stinger_au> k
[03:50] <neozen> not something i've worried about ...
[03:50] <neozen> (home server)
[03:50] <stinger_au> Qos is used to allocate bandwidth
[03:51] <neozen> yeah
[03:51] <neozen> I know what its for
[03:51] <neozen> ..just haven't messed w/ it
[03:51] <stinger_au> so you can have your torrents going full speed and still surf the net full speed
[03:51] <stinger_au> k
[03:51] <neozen> anything else I could help you with?
[03:52] <neozen> (compiler design class is almost over.... and after that ... away go I)
[03:52] <stinger_au> a pizza with heavy everything would be nice
[03:53] <stinger_au> but thanks man you been a big help
[03:53] <neozen> ...tell me about it
[03:53] <stinger_au> what degree you doing ?
[03:53] <neozen> Computer Science
[03:53] <stinger_au> he he me too
[03:53] <stinger_au> what year ?
[03:53] <neozen> senior
[03:53] <neozen> ...scary scary
[03:53] <stinger_au> ?
[03:53] <stinger_au> is that 1,2,3 ?
[03:53] <neozen> 4
[03:53] <stinger_au> oh
[03:53] <neozen> (america)
[03:53] <stinger_au> 4 year degree is it ?
[03:53] <neozen> yeah
[03:53] <stinger_au> oh
[03:54] <stinger_au> i am in Australia
[03:54] <stinger_au> i am in my 3rd year
[03:54] <neozen> ah
[03:54] <neozen> <--- is in chicago
[03:54] <stinger_au> got 3 subjects to get to complete the degree
[03:54] <neozen> DePaul University
[03:54] <stinger_au> here its a 3 year degree
[03:54] <stinger_au> wit the option for hours which is anther year
[03:55] <stinger_au> hope to get a job though after i finish it here has picked up over the last 2 years - student numbers in all uni's are down alot!
[03:55] <neozen> hmm
[03:55] <stinger_au> how about over there ?
[03:55] <neozen> ..........
[03:55] <neozen> job market for comp-sci picking back up over here
[03:55] <neozen> ....but still kind of scary
[03:55] <stinger_au> we had a IT crash here - hard to get a good it job like 2002 - 2003
[03:56] <stinger_au> yeah
[03:56] <neozen> same here... bigtime
[03:56] <neozen> had a lot of friends become instantly jobless
[03:56] <neozen> ...better not happen again
[03:56] <neozen> I'll move
[03:56] <stinger_au> its gone the other way for us here - lol no one wants to do comsci but the demand is still growing - lol it never stopped its only people that thought it stopped
[03:56] <stinger_au> ouch
[03:57] <stinger_au> whats the AVG going starting rate for a IT grad over there ?
[03:57] <stinger_au> here is about 40 - 45k
[03:57] <neozen> same here
[03:57] <stinger_au> k guess must be same around the world then
[03:57] <neozen> but it can go higher if you know people / get a good job
[03:57] <stinger_au> yeah
[03:57] <stinger_au> of course
[03:57] <neozen> ....that's what this university promised of course
[03:57] <neozen> ....connections
[03:57] <stinger_au> 1 -3 years exp its about 50 - 60 k
[03:58] <stinger_au> 3 -5 years exp its about 60 - 80k
[03:58] <stinger_au> LOL
[03:58] <neozen> I didn't do this for the money
[03:58] <stinger_au> yeah well my uni has had to sack more than half of its staff over the last 2 years
[03:58] <neozen> ...but it'll be nice to have a bit
[03:58] <stinger_au> all uni have had to cutback in IT
[03:58] <stinger_au> they grew to fast during the boom
[03:58] <neozen> yeah
[03:58] <stinger_au> and now have shrunk to fast too
[03:59] <stinger_au> I got to Monash Clayton
[03:59] <stinger_au> dont know if you have herd of Monash
[03:59] <neozen> nope
[03:59] <stinger_au> k
[03:59] <stinger_au> well its like a top uni here
[03:59] <neozen> ah
[03:59] <neozen> well.. its time to go
[03:59] <neozen> ..take care you
[03:59] <stinger_au> see ya m8
[04:51] <pirate-king> what is the smallest pc you can run on?
[04:51] <pirate-king> what is the smallest pc you can run xubuntu on?
[05:15] <Nuked> how do I set conky so that it does not overlap xfdesktop?
[06:50] <Berg> hello
[06:50] <Berg> I need to request help for installing xubuntu
[06:50] <Berg> on an old gateway currently running windows 98
[06:51] <Berg> anyone here able to provide support?
[06:53] <crimsun> with what precisely do you need assistance?
[06:54] <Berg> well something weird happens when I try and install it.  I already checked if the file was OK and it said so.
[06:58] <Berg> anyone? Anything?
[06:59] <crimsun> which desktop CD is this?
[06:59] <crimsun> and please be patient; I'm at work, for instance
[07:00] <Berg> oh sorry
[07:00] <Berg> Xubuntu edgy eft (stable)
[07:00] <Berg> and I have been trying to do this for over two hours so I am kind of stressed
[07:00] <crimsun> have you tried using the alternate installer (which requires a separate download and CD burn)?
[07:01] <crimsun> the alternate installer is text-based, requires less RAM, and generally works in cases where the desktop one may fail
[07:01] <Berg> inform me please
[07:02] <Berg> I am using the ISO I downloaded from http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/
[07:03] <crimsun> I presume you chose a Desktop CD, correct?
[07:03] <Berg> yes
[07:03] <crimsun> then please download and burn the corresponding Alternate install CD
[07:03] <Berg> will the other one just give me more options as to installing>
[07:03] <Berg> thanks alot crimsun
[07:03] <Berg> <3 linux community
[07:04] <Jiraiya> Salut
[07:04] <Jiraiya> Y a quelqun pour m'aider la
[07:04] <Jiraiya> ?
[07:17] <stinger_au> yo
[07:17] <stinger_au> how do i install kaffeine on xfce ? apparently i had to install something first
[07:24] <cryosphere> hello
[07:24] <cryosphere> i installed xubuntu and I cannot connect to the internet or use any usb devices
[07:24] <cryosphere> when I boot off the live cd everything is ok?
[07:24] <cryosphere> IS ok
[07:24] <cryosphere> any thoughts?
[07:27] <stinger_au> how do i get apt-get to install the latest package of something ? i.e kaffeine .8.3
[07:27] <cryosphere> apt-get update
[07:27] <cryosphere> apt-get install kaffeine
[07:27] <stinger_au> yeah only like 7.1 is in there
[07:28] <cryosphere> then you need to update your sources
[07:28] <stinger_au> yeah well 8.3 is not marked as stable yet i dont think
[07:28] <cryosphere> so apt-get can see more stuff
[07:29] <cryosphere> is 8.3 availiable as a .deb
[07:29] <cryosphere> ?
[07:29] <stinger_au> don't think so
[07:29] <cryosphere> well in what form is the package?
[07:31] <stinger_au> hmm i think i have a .deb version of it :)
[07:32] <cryosphere> aight, then i think you just dpfg -i kaffeine8.3.deb
[07:32] <cryosphere> *dpkg
[07:35] <cryosphere> man nobody wants to even try dealin with my issues
[07:35] <stinger_au> oh xfce
[07:35] <stinger_au> on
[07:35] <stinger_au> what do i need to install kde apps ?
[07:38] <cryosphere> not sure
[07:38] <DarthLappy> If you try and install a KDE app, it should automatically install the dependencies required.
[07:38] <cryosphere> i can't even get my install to really work
[07:38] <stinger_au> is there something i have to do with aptitude to make it do the install ?
[07:39] <stinger_au> i answer yes to two questions and did nothing ?
[07:39] <DarthLappy> It's just the same as any other install...
[07:40] <stinger_au> aptitude install kaffeine-xine
[07:40] <stinger_au> Keep the following packages at their current version:
[07:40] <stinger_au> akode [Not Installed]
[07:40] <stinger_au> artsbuilder [Not Installed]
[07:40] <stinger_au> kaffeine-xine [Not Installed]
[07:40] <stinger_au> kdelibs-bin [Not Installed]
[07:40] <stinger_au> kdelibs4c2 [Not Installed]
[07:40] <stinger_au> libarts1c2 [Not Installed]
[07:40] <stinger_au> libcupsys2-gnutls10 [Not Installed]
[07:40] <stinger_au> libxine1 [1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3.2 (now)]
[07:40] <stinger_au> libxine1c2 [Not Installed]
[07:40] <stinger_au> perl-suid [Not Installed]
[07:41] <DarthLappy> !paste | stinger_au
[07:41] <ubotu> stinger_au: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:41] <stinger_au> sorry
[07:41] <DarthLappy> I don't use aptitude, either.
[07:41] <stinger_au> ok..
[07:42] <stinger_au> apt-get says there is a borken package
[07:43] <Bogus8> how likely is it to get xubuntu to install and  boot off a 512mb SD card?
[07:43] <stinger_au> oh ok i think gxine is have a conflict
[07:43] <Bogus8> built in adapter
[07:43] <Bogus8> on Toshiba Tecra M3
[07:43] <cryosphere>  i installed xubuntu and I cannot connect to the internet or use any usb devices, but when I boot off the live cd everything is fine . .
[07:43] <Bogus8> ubuntu has recognized the card when i ran a live CD I had laying around
[07:44] <DarthLappy> Bogus8: Depends on whether you can get your BIOS to boot from it.
[07:45] <Bogus8> DarthLappy: well, the bios's boot menu is "icon based" (yeah, kinda dumb) but it has a floppy disc w/ an SD card on top of it... so I assume that's the option to boot off floppy or SD
[07:46] <DarthLappy> Bogus8: Well, chances are there is probably some way you can get it to work then.
[07:46] <Bogus8> i've tried w/ debian, puppy, and slax and no go yet
[07:47] <Bogus8> but ubuntu has been the best so far in actually seeing the card and such so that's where I see some light
[07:47] <Bogus8> and I love XFCE over other "bloated" DE's
[07:48] <stinger_au> Bogus8, any idea how to get kaffeine install on xfce ?
[07:48] <Bogus8> stinger_au: what is kaffeine?
[07:49] <stinger_au> Bogus8, a media player
[07:49] <Bogus8> I assume the k in it is for KDE based
[07:49] <DarthLappy> Why do you want to use it?
[07:49] <stinger_au> yeah well someone said i could get it to run under xfice
[07:50] <Bogus8> DarthLappy: that was my thoughts also, as their are plenty other know kde based things out there... but who am I to judge ;)
[07:50] <Bogus8> stinger_au: you apt-get'd it?
[07:50] <stinger_au> The following actions will resolve these dependencies
[07:50] <stinger_au> what does this mean ?
[07:50] <stinger_au> i say yes to it
[07:51] <stinger_au> and it does nothing
[07:51] <Bogus8> what is that in?
[07:51] <stinger_au> aptitude
[07:52] <Bogus8> and I assume it wants to install some packages?
[07:52] <stinger_au> yeah
[07:52] <stinger_au> well and remove some too
[07:52] <stinger_au> kdelibs-bin says its not going to be install because its broken
[07:53] <Bogus8> I'd see about getting whatever it is "saying" it's going to install but apparently doesn't
[07:53] <Bogus8> installed
[07:54] <stinger_au> i dont get this apt-get or aptitude
[07:54] <Bogus8> Colbert rules!
[07:54] <stinger_au> The following packages are BROKEN:
[07:54] <stinger_au>   libcupsys2 perl-suid
[07:54] <stinger_au> how do i fix broken packages ?
[08:20] <stinger_au> i should if install kde :(
[08:20] <stinger_au> lol
[08:20] <stinger_au> oh well time to format
[08:20] <stinger_au> if i pick install command line system - that will install ubuntu without a desktop yeah ?
[08:20] <stinger_au> so i can install one after
[08:26] <Bogus8> sounds right to me
[08:26] <Bogus8> I say give xfce more of a chance but that's just me
[08:26] <stinger_au> trying to install kde software on a non kde desktop is just too much of a pain in the ass
[08:26] <stinger_au> lol
[08:27] <Bogus8> you may be right... I don't install kde stuff ;)
[08:27] <Bogus8> no need
[08:31] <stinger_au> he he k
[08:31] <stinger_au> well i wanted KDE to run
[08:31] <slavekk> hi
[08:31] <slavekk> i'm freshmen
[08:31] <stinger_au> and it was turning out to be a pain to get it to work
[08:31] <stinger_au> so i thought i cut and run and just install kde
[08:31] <slavekk> i'm using Xubuntu edgy 6.10
[08:31] <slavekk> but i got big problems
[08:31] <stinger_au> slavekk, yep i am installing that myself atm
[08:32] <slavekk> btw: xchat: i can't see user list
[08:32] <slavekk> :-(
[08:32] <slavekk> freshmen
[08:32] <slavekk> :-)
[08:32] <slavekk> at all
[08:32] <stinger_au> there is prob a tab at the far right
[08:32] <stinger_au> that you can brab and move across
[08:32] <slavekk> ok
[08:33] <slavekk> :-)
[08:33] <slavekk> i had got problem while starting sound in skype or while watching youtube
[08:33] <slavekk> but i had got sound while playing avi or mp3
[08:33] <slavekk> but now i have got nothing
[08:34] <slavekk> my soundcard is on-board (realtek ac97)
[08:35] <stinger_au> slavekk, i am as new to ubuntu as you m8 prob newer i coming from a gentoo desktop
[08:35] <stinger_au> lol
[08:35] <stinger_au> i would say check your drivers that are installed
[08:35] <slavekk> i'm not using gnome, only xfce
[08:35] <slavekk> yes
[08:35] <stinger_au> sounds like a apt-get upgrade might have broken somthing
[08:35] <stinger_au> i am getting rid of xfce doing a server install then going to install kde
[08:37] <slavekk> who knows how to reset sound-drivers settings
[08:37] <slavekk> to install one more time?
[08:37] <stinger_au> is oss used in subuntu ?
[08:38] <stinger_au> *ubuntu
[08:38] <slavekk> ??
[08:40] <slavekk> :-((((((((((
[08:41] <stinger_au> ok this is werid i did a command line install but i never asked me to make a user account
[08:41] <stinger_au> and now i am at the login prompt
[08:41] <stinger_au> and err what do i login with ?
[08:43] <slavekk> in xubuntu you don't need a root
[08:43] <stinger_au> so how do you login ?
[08:43] <stinger_au> lol
[08:45] <slavekk> if you lost your user login: i don't know
[08:52] <aim_nano> Having trouble installing Nvidia GeForce FX 5500 - any help would be appreciated.
[08:54] <slavekk> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:55] <aim_nano> That's what I followed but when I restart X errors.
[08:55] <aim_nano> What text editor can I use from command like to change my xorg.conf back?
[08:59] <slavekk> ??
[08:59] <slavekk> i'm freshmen
[08:59] <slavekk> gedit?
[08:59] <aim_nano> Said smoething about needing to have X loaded :X
[08:59] <slavekk> guys! how to install windows codecs?
[09:04] <insta> slavekk: wait, maybe you're here?
[12:41] <nicolah> If I add a file.desktop in my /usr/share/applications it then appears in the "others" submenu even if I used
[12:42] <nicolah> Categories=Graphics;
[12:44] <grazie> nicolah: hi...it shouldn't
[12:44] <nicolah> I know it's strange
[12:44] <nicolah> I'll brb in 5 minutes
[12:54] <nicolah> grazie, is it necessary to restart the session to see the changes in the menu ?
[12:55] <nicolah> this is my desktop file
[12:55] <nicolah> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4847/
[12:55] <nicolah> xsane.desktop placed in /usr/share/applications
[12:56] <nicolah> thanks
[12:57] <Commander-Crowe> I thought stuff like that only worked under Kubuntu
[12:58] <nicolah> Well I thinks it's the only way to edit my applications menu, isn't it ?
[12:58] <nicolah> since the menu editor does not work
[12:59] <Commander-Crowe> oh?
[12:59] <Commander-Crowe> well you can do it
[12:59] <Commander-Crowe> if you know XML
[12:59] <nicolah> I don't know xml but I can learn, which file should I edit ?
[01:00] <Commander-Crowe> it isn't to hard to do actually
[01:01] <Commander-Crowe> and I can't seem to remember where the file is
[01:01] <Commander-Crowe> ok
[01:02] <Commander-Crowe> open the menu editor
[01:02] <Commander-Crowe> and then click file
[01:02] <Commander-Crowe> click sav as
[01:02] <Commander-Crowe> save as
[01:02] <Commander-Crowe> save it to your home dir
[01:02] <Commander-Crowe> and work on it there
[01:02] <Commander-Crowe> then make the menu editor to look at it once your done
[01:03] <grazie> nicolah: I don't see why that doesn't work. It's what I would do. Maybe syntax isn't quite right.
[01:03] <grazie> nicolah: did you base xsane.desktop on another .desktop file?
[01:04] <nicolah> grazie, yes I did
[01:04] <nicolah> Commander-Crowe, here's my manu.xml
[01:05] <grazie> nicolah: which one?
[01:05] <nicolah> Could I have just one example for an application ?
[01:05] <nicolah> gimp one
[01:06] <grazie> grazie: if xsane is a gui app, you want 'gksu xsane' not 'sudo xsane'
[01:06] <grazie> nicolah: dunno....
[01:06] <nicolah> grazie, thanks but if I click on the file it works
[01:06] <nicolah> I mean it's in the "other" submenu
[01:06] <nicolah> but it works
[01:06] <nicolah> So I don't think it's a command issue
[01:07] <grazie> nicolah: maybe a cache thing...?
[01:07] <nicolah> grazie, I restarted the session 5 times
[01:07] <nicolah> do you need to restart the session to see changes in the menu ?
[01:08] <grazie> nicolah: no
[01:08] <nicolah> grazie, I tried to temporally remove the .desktop file from its folder and it disappear from the menu
[01:11] <nicolah> hey Commander-Crowe I was able to add entry to the menu but it's impossibile to add entry to the submenu categories, like graphic and stuff
[01:11] <Commander-Crowe> nicolah I saw that
[01:11] <icheyne> has anyone upgraded to xfce 4.4?
[01:11] <Commander-Crowe> nicolah somewhere in the system you can find the other files
[01:11] <Commander-Crowe> icheyne yes I have
[01:11] <icheyne> there's quite a lot of hype about it now
[01:12] <icheyne> worth it?
[01:12] <grazie> nicolah: & Commander-Crowe system menu is changed by editing/creating .desktop files
[01:12] <nicolah> Commander-Crowe, the other files are in /usr/share/applications but even editing those I can't use them like I would
[01:12] <Commander-Crowe> icheyne make sure you install all the crap thats needed first
[01:12] <nicolah> as I told before new launcher gets in "other" submenu
[01:12] <icheyne> Commander-Crowe, how do I do it - if you think it's worth it?
[01:12] <grazie> nicolah: I just used your xsane.desktop and works fine
[01:12] <nicolah> DAMN !
[01:12] <icheyne> Commander-Crowe, is there a howto anywhere?
[01:12] <nicolah> did it appear in the graphic submenu ?
[01:13] <Commander-Crowe> icheyne there is no true change
[01:13] <grazie> nicolah:  but I'm not using xubuntu right now
[01:13] <icheyne> Commander-Crowe, oh ok. I won't bother then
[01:13] <Commander-Crowe> if you download the graphical installation for xfce.org its pretty easy
[01:13] <nicolah> I think it's a bug
[01:13] <icheyne> Commander-Crowe, thanks
[01:13] <Commander-Crowe> icheyne yeah its not worth it
[01:13] <Commander-Crowe> no prob
[01:13] <nicolah> I'm using version <IP_ADDRESS> (Xfce 4.4 BETA2)
[01:14] <icheyne> nicolah, me too
[01:14] <nicolah> maybe I should upgrade to the new one
[01:14] <icheyne> nicolah, I suppose that's close enough
[01:14] <nicolah> when will the 4.4. stable will be packetized  for ubuntu users ?
[01:14] <nicolah> icheyne, I'm experiencing problems editing the applications menu and with other stuff too
[01:15] <icheyne> nicolah, well maybe that's a good fix. maybe the graphical installation from xfce.org that Commander-Crowe mentions is the best approach
[01:15] <grazie> nicolah: 4.4 will be in feisty...release expected mid April
[01:16] <nicolah> lemme check the graphical installation from xfce.org
[01:21] <nicolah> the graphical installation seems to be easy although I think I'll wait till april =)
[01:27] <grazie> nicolah: sudo will work yes, but for gui apps you should always use gksu or gksudo
[01:28] <nicolah> ok
[02:03] <sdac221x_> hi,  is there a way to restart the sound system in xubuntu edgy ?  Sound seems to disappear sometimes and it requires rebooting for sound to come back.   I have alsamixer installed if that matters.
[02:07] <munk3h> Hello
[02:07] <geo-> hi
[02:08] <munk3h> Hi geo-
[02:08] <munk3h> do you use Tomboy in xubuntu?
[02:10] <munk3h> geo-?
[02:10] <geo-> nope
[02:11] <munk3h> ah. ok. Well I will state my problem anyway. When I start the tomboy program, it does not display in the xfce System Tray.
[02:12] <munk3h> I see the system tray expand by maybe 2-4 pixels, but no icon appears
[02:12] <nicolah> hey grazie: a miracle !
[02:12] <nicolah> I went to eat and now the menu is fixed
[02:13] <munk3h> oh wait, there is an active region about 2px wide I can use
[02:13] <nicolah> the xsane .desktop is in the graphic category
[02:15] <munk3h> There is a bug filed on launchpad, and I've posted in it, but the other posters in the bug all see the problem in kubuntu.
[02:15] <Prestwick> Hey guys :)
[02:16] <Prestwick> My Netgear wifi card works out of the box! Also network-manager-gnome works perfectly :D
[02:16] <Prestwick> Cheers ^^
[02:17] <jadajada> how do i check how much ram my computer has in a terminal?
[02:18] <nicolah> what about
[02:18] <nicolah> free -m
[02:18] <nicolah> ?
[02:18] <jadajada> hmm
[02:18] <grazie> nicolah: good news....a little odd though
[02:19] <jadajada> if it says Mem: 250 Total, then its only 250 mb ram on this computer?
[02:19] <TheSheep> jadajada: best look at /proc/meminfo
[02:19] <jadajada> TheSheep, thanks
[02:19] <TheSheep> jadajada: cat /proc/meminfo in a terminal, for example
[02:19] <jadajada> TheSheep, yep, 256160 kB
[02:20] <jadajada> TheSheep, any way i can check what kind of ram it is?
[02:20] <jadajada> TheSheep, except opening the box?
[02:20] <TheSheep> jadajada: I think there was a way, but not sure how :(
[02:21] <jadajada> TheSheep, Im just being lazy, ill open the computer. Thanks :D
[02:21] <jadajada> see you all later
[02:21] <nicolah> jad
[02:21] <nicolah> jadajada sudo lshw -class memory
[02:21] <nicolah> damn
[02:28] <nicolah> do you know what'd be cool for xfce ? the possibility to set the double click on a window to set it always on top
[02:32] <grazie> nicolah: the source code is available : )
[02:33] <nicolah> ehm =)
[02:33] <geo-> I want ot be able to turn off the damn lock on screensaver
[02:33] <grazie> geo-: turn it off then :)
[02:33] <geo-> can't
[02:33] <TheSheep> geo-: go to screensaver settings and uncheck the 'lock screen after...' checkbox
[02:34] <geo-> tried that...
[02:34] <geo-> tried setting it to the max time
[02:34] <TheSheep> just uncheck it
[02:34] <geo-> still locks
[02:34] <TheSheep> works for me :/
[02:35] <geo-> I dunno
[02:35] <geo-> I'm thinking about uninstalling the screensaver
[02:59] <leaphisto> geo-: or the you can just disable it.
[03:00] <leaphisto> from the same menu
[03:43] <grazie> whoa!
[03:44] <maxamillion> :)
[03:44] <maxamillion> ZOMG i have class in like 10 minutes
[03:44] <maxamillion> gotta run
[04:19] <Ismael> i need
[04:19] <Ismael> help
[04:19] <icheyne> !ask
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[04:21] <Ismael> i cant get sound, i have a VIA VT82C596B chipset
[04:22] <icheyne> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&highlight=VIA+VT82C596B
[04:22] <icheyne> !sound
[04:22] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:22] <icheyne> sorry I can't be more help
[04:29] <someJustDont> hiya people.. Got a weird problem.. First time Linux user.. I downloaded xubuntu (not the latest version but the one before that) and tried to install.. but upon installation.. it says fatal error: no screen found
[04:30] <icheyne> when does it say that?
[04:31] <someJustDont> I put the cd in the drive.. I boot..
[04:31] <someJustDont> then I press "start or install xubuntu"
[04:31] <someJustDont> it loads everything..
[04:31] <Ismael> tks
[04:32] <someJustDont> but then it pops this error which goes something like this: "Configuration X failed. Failed to load graphical interface... would you like to run diganostics?"
[04:32] <someJustDont> I pressed yes.. it said "fatal error: no screen found"
[04:32] <someJustDont> I got ati x800 256mb pro
[04:32] <icheyne> ah
[04:32] <someJustDont> and a DELL 20" wide screen
[04:32] <someJustDont> dunno which one it doesn't get..
[04:32] <someJustDont> the card or the screen
[04:32] <icheyne> do you have a command line?
[04:33] <someJustDont> yeah.. I got ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:33] <someJustDont> sorry for maybe saying newbish stuff..
[04:33] <someJustDont> this is the first time I'm going to try to work with linux..
[04:33] <icheyne> something like
[04:33] <icheyne> $
[04:33] <icheyne> or #>
[04:33] <someJustDont> only installed linux once before.. and got tired of it after 3 hours because it was shit (mandrake)
[04:33] <someJustDont> I got ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:34] <someJustDont> and I can type studff..
[04:34] <someJustDont> stuff*
[04:34] <icheyne> ok try typing
[04:34] <icheyne> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:34] <icheyne> use all the defaults
[04:34] <icheyne> and see if that helps
[04:34] <icheyne> try making the screen resolution 1024x768
[04:35] <someJustDont> hmm..ok I will.. (feeling kind of stupid because I'm at work and the box I'm converting to linux is at home).. why 1024x768?
[04:35] <someJustDont> and why, btw, no wide screen compatibillity when selectng resolutions for installations?
[04:35] <icheyne> your graphics card SHOULD be detected
[04:35] <someJustDont> the whole text mungles up..
[04:35] <icheyne> if not then you're in trouble
[04:35] <icheyne> well that's the most compatible
[04:35] <icheyne> at least start with that
[04:36] <icheyne> and then work your way up
[04:36] <someJustDont> it says screen not found.... I don't know if it's because it doesn't recognize my card or my screen..
[04:36] <icheyne> if your monitor or video card are automatically detected then you are probably in luck
[04:36] <someJustDont> ok.. I will try that for sure.. when I get home
[04:36] <someJustDont> *saving command and instructions*
[04:36] <icheyne> I've not had these problems but that command I gave you is a good one
[04:36] <someJustDont> I will log on here from home when I get there.... Just had some spare time here and thought to see if anyone encountered this before
[04:36] <someJustDont> thanks!
[04:36] <icheyne> also search at www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:37] <icheyne> oh hang on
[04:37] <icheyne> when it asks you which driver to use
[04:37] <someJustDont> I'll probably idle here till I got home
[04:37] <someJustDont> are the drivers called the same? cause on windows it's called catalyst
[04:37] <icheyne> if it does not find your ATI card automatically, try the VESA driver
[04:37] <icheyne> at least that will get you started
[04:37] <icheyne> its like safe mode in Windows
[04:37] <icheyne> butt ugly but it works
[04:37] <icheyne> no different
[04:38] <someJustDont> aha.. so, I load it in safe mode.. and then install drivers..
[04:38] <someJustDont> and then reboot in normal mode?
[04:38] <someJustDont> theoretically..
[04:38] <someJustDont> ?
[04:38] <icheyne> if you can get to a desktop and install it to your machine, then there is a script called "envy" which will install the proper ATI driver for you
[04:38] <icheyne> yes, but you'll have to install it
[04:38] <icheyne> install Kubuntu
[04:38] <icheyne> then install drivers
[04:38] <icheyne> sorry I meant Xubuntu
[04:38] <icheyne> :)
[04:39] <someJustDont> Kubuntu is th KDE one?
[04:39] <icheyne> that's quite a recent machine you have
[04:39] <someJustDont> hmm.. pretty old actually.. about a year now
[04:39] <icheyne> that's what's causing the problem funnily enough
[04:39] <icheyne> yes
[04:40] <icheyne> for a newbie than Kubuntu or Ubuntu might be better to be honest
[04:40] <icheyne> although I LOVE xubuntu
[04:40] <someJustDont> yeah.. but I don't want all those extras..
[04:40] <icheyne> it's *sliglhtly* less mature
[04:40] <icheyne> well try again
[04:40] <icheyne> load vesa drivers
[04:40] <icheyne> put in your monitor settings manually
[04:40] <icheyne> install proper ATI drivers
[04:40] <someJustDont> I will.. thanks for the help.. I'll probably harrass you again when I get home :D
[04:40] <icheyne> and you'll be away
[04:40] <icheyne> just remmber dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:41] <icheyne> someone will help yo
[04:41] <someJustDont> I am saving this IRC log and sending myself an email
[04:41] <icheyne> u
[04:41] <icheyne> there are good experts here
[04:41] <icheyne> far more experienced than me
[04:41] <icheyne> :)
[04:41] <icheyne> cool
[04:41] <icheyne> good luck
[04:41] <someJustDont> as I said.. I am a newbie.. but when I selected betrween xubuntu ubuntu and kubuntu... I read a little..
[04:41] <someJustDont> and xubuntu just sounds the most compatible with my personality..
[04:42] <someJustDont> I mean.. no extra shit... I get to choose the software I want to install..
[04:42] <icheyne> here is the web page of the driver installing script - http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[04:42] <someJustDont> nvidia?
[04:42] <someJustDont> lol
[04:42] <icheyne> Xubuntu is great
[04:42] <someJustDont> who needs a trillion media players>?
[04:42] <icheyne> but the configuration options on Kubuntu especially are more mature
[04:42] <icheyne> it does ATI too
[04:42] <icheyne> I'm with you
[04:43] <someJustDont> well.. I'll try xubuntu again.. cause I'm no quitter
[04:43] <someJustDont> thanks a lot for the help :D
[04:44] <icheyne> np
[04:45] <icheyne> :)
[04:45] <icheyne> good for you
[05:50] <sdac221x_> hi,  how can i change the default system beep sound in xubuntu edgy ?  I can't find any settings menu.  thanks
[06:37] <Foojin> re
[07:23] <sdac221x_> ye
[07:23] <cheatersrealm> is there a way to prevent any application from stealing focus from a terminal?
[07:24] <sdac221x_> this room is inhabited by ghosts.
[07:24] <cheatersrealm> chozo ghosts?
[07:24] <sdac221x_> if you have yakuake terminal i believe you can do that.
[07:25] <sdac221x_> you have to untick the option "retract when focus is lost"
[07:25] <cheatersrealm> that needs a lot of gnome libs though
[07:26] <sdac221x_> right.   i have both the kde and gnome libs and haven't noticed any performance effect
[07:27] <sdac221x_> try the #ubuntu chatroom it has much more activity (i.e. >1 user)
[07:27] <cheatersrealm> yeah, but I'm seeing how long I can go without installing all of the libs
[07:27] <cheatersrealm> no worries
[07:27] <cheatersrealm> I can just idle here
[07:27] <sdac221x_> since you're here do you know change the default system beep sound in xubuntu edgy ?  I can't find any settings menu
[07:29] <cheatersrealm> sdac221x_: sorry, no idea
[07:29] <cheatersrealm> is it any different than other linux os's?
[07:30] <sdac221x_> well in kubuntu you have the kde control sound but here in xfce i found no such prog.  im new to linux so i don't know any of the command line stuff
[07:30] <sdac221x_> i basically followed guides on the internet to get most of my system working.
[07:30] <cheatersrealm> ahh
[07:31] <cheatersrealm> I'm not very new to linux, and I still use guides :)
[07:31] <sdac221x_> :)
[07:31] <sdac221x_> are you running edgy as well?
[07:32] <cheatersrealm> xubuntu edgy, yes
[07:33] <sdac221x_> did you manage to get beryl working ?
[07:33] <sdac221x_> i followed some guide on the net but to no avail
[07:34] <cheatersrealm> I did, sort of
[07:34] <cheatersrealm> I had it working, but there were some issues, so I uninstalled it
[07:34] <cheatersrealm> sdac221x_: usually the beryl guides are the best, though
[07:35] <sdac221x_> i followed a guide on ubuntuguide.com but that failed completely.  are you reffering to guides made by the creators of beryl
[07:35] <sdac221x_> back in 5
[07:35] <cheatersrealm> sdac221x_: yes
[07:37] <sdac221x_> ok ill look for that guide then thanks
[07:38] <cheatersrealm> np
[07:41] <sdac221x_> one more quick thing:  on the guides page it has a guide for AIGLX and another for XGL.. which one is for laptops ?
[07:41] <cheatersrealm> sdac221x_: it depends on the hardware you have
[07:41] <cheatersrealm> check out the beryl guides page
[07:41] <cheatersrealm> aiglx is like ati/nvidia (not 100% sure about the ati)
[07:42] <cheatersrealm> xgl is a more in-software approach
[07:44] <sdac221x_> the page says: ATI Cards : Depending on your card you may find that you can use the ati/radeon driver with AIGLX. If you experience problems then you may need to use Xgl with the fglrx Driver.
[07:45] <cheatersrealm> so what video card do you have on your laptop?
[07:45] <sdac221x_> i think i had to install fglrx from a guide so i guess i have to go with XGL
[07:45] <sdac221x_> i have ati x1300 mobility
[07:45] <cheatersrealm> ok
[07:46] <cheatersrealm> well, there you go then :)
[07:49] <sdac221x_> thanks again.  most of these guides always asume you have some experience installing stuff, thats caused me some troubles getting my stuff to work.   in the end its worth it though, i can't imagine myself using ugly slow xp when i have this wonderful xfce
[07:49] <cheatersrealm> :)
[07:49] <cheatersrealm> the reason I like xfce so much is that it doesn't use nautilus
[07:49] <cheatersrealm> a few other people here also agree with me on that
[07:59] <sdac221x_> ye the first thing i noticed after installing was Thunar.  i couldn't believe the speed of navigation.. explorer sits there loading icons for hours compared to this thing
[07:59] <sdac221x_> also the toolbar style option was nice
[07:59] <cheatersrealm> yeah
[08:00] <cheatersrealm> thunar is almost identical to the finder interface on a mac, I've noticed
[08:00] <cheatersrealm> (which I like)
[08:00] <sdac221x_> never used anything xcept ffox on a mac
[08:01] <TheSheep> imitation is the highest form of worship ;)
[08:01] <cheatersrealm> some people don't like the finder interface, they say it's too simple
[08:01] <cheatersrealm> but if I want to do some crazy advanced stuff, there's probably a 1-line command on the terminal that does it
[08:02] <sdac221x_> i used to hav PCLinuxOS with kde and that the file manager was way too bloated.
[08:03] <sdac221x_> it had built in video and picture preview and a bunch of other stuff.  id rather have specialized apps for specific tasks
[08:03] <cheatersrealm> heh
[08:06] <grazie> the search functionality within os x finder it great. however the file manager functionality is nowhere near as good as thunar
[08:07] <cheatersrealm> spotlight is pretty sweet
[08:07] <cheatersrealm> the only problem with spotlight is that when you first install osx, it takes like 30 minutes to index the base system
[08:07] <cheatersrealm> people were complaining how slow it made their computers
[08:07] <grazie> yawn
[08:08] <cheatersrealm> anywho, I'm off to learn about botnets and honeynets
[08:08] <sacater> hi im running the live cd on an older machine, but it wont load up past the logo and bar
[08:09] <grazie> sacater: low ram = alternate CD
[08:09] <sacater> ty
[08:09] <sacater> i thought that may be the case
[08:09] <sacater> would it run after i installed it?
[08:09] <grazie> how much ram?
[08:10] <sacater> erm
[08:10] <sacater> 64mb
[08:10] <grazie> should be ok
[08:10] <sacater> rather old pc, im not a deadbeat or nothing, my mains are x86 2.80G with 512RAM
[08:10] <sacater> and its only 668mhz cpu on the old
[08:11] <grazie> have you considered DSL? cpu is fine
[08:11] <sacater> DSL?
[08:11] <grazie> Damn Small Linux
[08:11] <sacater> oh yeah
[08:11] <sacater> soz
[08:12] <sacater> hmm
[08:12] <sacater> could use i suppose
[08:12] <sacater> but im after a debian structure
[08:12] <sacater> so hence xubuntu
[08:12] <sacater> im actually using ubuntu with xfce on top
[08:12] <sacater> on other machines that is
[08:13] <grazie> you could possibly get it well tuned with debian
[08:13] <sacater> hmm
[08:13] <sacater> yeh
[08:13] <sacater> it seems to have most xfce things
[08:13] <sacater> xmms i spotted expecially
[08:14] <grazie> word is xubuntu comes good with 128M ram
[08:14] <sacater> can dsl be installed permenantly on a pc
[08:15] <grazie> oh yeah
[08:15] <sacater> k great
[08:15] <sacater> that may be an answer
[08:15] <grazie> some people don't like the gui though
[08:15] <sacater> im not fussy
[08:15] <sacater> im not after games and shiz
[08:15] <sacater> command line is just fine
[08:15] <grazie> some people like puppy as well
[08:17] <sacater> btw if anyone wants to randomly, freely chat with someone go to #sacater
[08:19] <sacater> grazie: im not gonna use puppy
[08:19] <sacater> i wanna try xubuntu
[08:23] <grazie> sacater: great!
[08:23] <Grey_Loki> sacater, have you checked out #xubuntu-offtopic?
[08:30] <sdac221x_> does anyone know a good power managment program for laptops ?  my screen brightness buttons on the laptop don't work
[08:31] <sdac221x_> i have GNOME power manager installed, but i have to open the program every time to +/- the brightness.. any way to bind this to keyboard buttons
[08:34] <sacater> yes
[08:34] <sacater> there is
[08:34] <sacater> erm
[08:35] <sacater> look in the system for 'configuration editor'
[08:35] <sacater> that contains key binding
[08:35] <sacater> s
[08:36] <sdac221x_> i don't have a "configuration editor" ...  i am running edgy
[08:36] <glam> any instructions to install Xubuntu on USB flash drive?
[08:37] <sacater> glam
[08:37] <sacater> yes and no
[08:37] <sacater> you can run the live cd, and choose the flash drive to be the home area
[08:38] <sacater> if that is what you are referring to
[08:38] <sacater> and with home area config is stored, like web configs etc
[08:38] <sdac221x_> sacater:  i can't find this editor you mentioned... is there a command line thing i can type to bring it
[08:39] <sacater> erm
[08:39] <sacater> are you using the GNOME enviroment
[08:39] <glam> Did anyone tried it and successed?
[08:39] <sacater> or xfce
[08:39] <sacater> glam: you mean what i said
[08:40] <glam> I search for the web and only find info on directly using the liveCD but need a lot work by hand.
[08:40] <glam> It's refer to an order verion of Ubuntu thought.
[08:40] <sdac221x_> sacater:  xubuntu xfce edgy
[08:40] <sacater> glam: people have been able to configure flash drives as home areas
[08:40] <sacater> kk
[08:40] <sacater> erm
[08:41] <sacater> do alt-f2
[08:41] <sacater> and type config-ed
[08:41] <sacater> did it work?
[08:42] <sdac221x_> no command not found
[08:42] <sacater> ah
[08:42] <sacater> thats a bugger
[08:42] <sacater> erm
[08:42] <sacater> try system > configuration editor
[08:43] <sacater> in xfce>menu
[08:43] <glam> I am using Ubunto, how do I remove the desktop and replace it with Xubunt, I mean rmove the gnome desktop and replace it with the Xce.
[08:43] <sdac221x_> sacater:  there is no such entry in "system"
[08:43] <sdac221x_> do you mean "settings manager"
[08:43] <sacater> grazie: so xubuntu will work fine after install with 64mb RAM and 668mhz CPU
[08:44] <sacater> no
[08:44] <sacater> its there on mine
[08:44] <sacater> glam: yes
[08:44] <sacater> glam: wanna know how?
[08:44] <TheSheep> glam: just install xubuntu-desktop and uninstall any programs you don't want
[08:44] <sacater> glam: i did it and am using it now
[08:44] <glam> I mean how to "convert" Ubuntu to Xubuntu.
[08:44] <sacater> glam
[08:44] <sacater> erm
[08:44] <sacater> that cant QUITE be done i dont think
[08:45] <sacater> you can get xfce to work on ubuntu
[08:45] <sacater> thats what im doing
[08:45] <glam> TheSheep: How do I remove the origional desktop interface?
[08:45] <sdac221x_> sacater:  i think i know what you're reffering to... in the keyboard settings area there is a place for keyboard shortcuts...but it asks me for a command to bind to the key
[08:45] <sdac221x_> do you know the command to + and - screen brightness
[08:45] <sacater> sdac221x_: do '/j #sacater' so we can talk about this further
[08:46] <TheSheep> glam: when you install xubuntu-desktop, you will have an option in the loging screem under 'sessions', to use the xfce interface
[08:46] <TheSheep> login screen*
[08:47] <glam> But I don't wan't to keep my computer 'fat'.  I want to remove any 'fat' from it, my problem is I don't know what are those 'fat'.
[08:47] <TheSheep> glam: just unistall what you don't want :)
[08:48] <TheSheep> glam: in case something is needed by something else, then synaptic will tell you and ask for confirmation
[08:49] <something_else> what is the command to install the xubuntu desktop?
[08:50] <sacater> something_else: what OS are you using know
[08:50] <sacater> regualar ubuntu?
[08:51] <something_else> nhaa... nvm... got it.. but still got a problem
[08:51] <something_else> can someone help a newbie with a weird problem?
[08:52] <something_else> the installation can't find screen..
[08:52] <something_else> fatal error: no screen found
[08:53] <glam> After I in stall Xubunt, what packages that I can uninstall from the origional desktop?
[08:53] <Grey_Loki> glam, most of them, depending on what you want to work
[08:53] <sacater> glam: erm gnome-desktop enviroment?
[08:53] <sacater> :P
[08:53] <Grey_Loki> Heh
[08:54] <sacater> i know someone who has xfce gnome and kde
[08:54] <sacater> he uses which eh feels like
[08:54] <glam> yes, the Gnome desktop from ubuntu that I want to remove, but what are those packages?
[08:54] <sacater> he uses kde when hes angry cos he says the blue calms him or something
[08:54] <sacater> glam: go into synaptic
[08:54] <sacater> and search for 'gnome desktop'
[08:54] <sacater> you should get some nice results :P
[08:55] <Grey_Loki> glam, if you open up synaptic, and find the main 'gnome' entry, the rest should follow it into oblivion
[08:55] <sacater> Grey_Loki: i conquer
[08:55] <Grey_Loki> Rawr.
[08:56] <glam> some i found may packe using 'gnome', can I uninstall all of them?
[08:56] <geo-> does gaim run on xfce or do you need gnome?
[08:57] <sacater> geo-: i compiled gaim from source, and it works fine for me
[08:57] <sacater> i also use gajim
[08:57] <geo-> what do you mean by complied from soursce?
[08:57] <sacater> geo-: EVERYONE PLEASE REMEMBER, THINGS IN GNOME WORK FINE IN XFCE AND V V
[08:58] <sacater> geo- i got the code, and created an app from it
[08:58] <geo-> I mean right now on the options it has the gnome running to use those aps
[08:58] <sacater> erm no
[08:58] <geo-> so if I turn that off would my gaim not work?
[08:58] <sacater> xfce should run them fine
[08:59] <sacater> nope, it should still work fine
[08:59] <geo-> so everything that came installed with it will still work?
[08:59] <sacater> yep should do
[09:02] <geo-> oh, could you tell me how to unistall the screen saver?
[09:08] <sacater> erm
[09:08] <sacater> ee
[09:08] <sacater> not quite sure there
[09:08] <sacater> ask someone else
[09:12] <grazie> geo: in synaptic search for xscreensaver package and remove it (I can't guarantee you'll not have problems though)
[09:12] <sacater> CAN ALL TELL ME WILL XUBUNTU RUN FINE ON A 64mb RAM and 668CPU PC, AFTER I INSTALL FROM ALTERNATE CD
[09:36] <sacater> CAN ALL TELL ME WILL XUBUNTU RUN FINE ON A 64mb RAM and 668CPU PC, AFTER I INSTALL FROM ALTERNATE CD
[09:38] <TheSheep> sacater: do you want to get banned from here?
[09:38] <sacater> erm why?
[09:39] <sacater> this is the xubuntu support channel, and i dont seem to be getting support
[09:39] <TheSheep> sacater: then check the forums and wiki
[09:39] <maxamillion> sacater: what happened?
[09:39] <TheSheep> sacater: maybe nobody present knows the answer?
[09:41] <sacater> right
[09:41] <sacater> i have been informed by someone else that yes it can
[09:41] <sacater> barely
[09:41] <sacater> so dont get all angry cos i ask a question twice
[09:42] <TheSheep> sacater: just don't scream :)
[09:42] <sacater> i do that alot though
[09:42] <sacater> caffeine gets to me after a few mins :D
[09:52] <maxamillion> sacater: please just don't make a habbit of it, the op team really doesn't like banning users
[09:53] <sacater> oh yeah
[09:53] <sacater> type /ban
[09:53] <sacater> look at that list
[09:53] <maxamillion> sacater: i think 10 users total isn't bad .... try taking a look at the ban list for other chans
[09:54] <sacater> whoa
[09:54] <sacater> youre right
[09:54] <maxamillion> :)
[09:54] <maxamillion> beb
[09:54] <sacater> look at #gentoo
[09:54] <maxamillion> errr....
[09:54] <maxamillion> brb*
[09:54] <geo-> lol boo on gentoo
[09:55] <sacater> i use it :(
[09:55] <sacater> noting wrong with it
[09:55] <sacater> just source compiling
[09:59] <malnilion> Ubuntu is so much easier than Gentoo :)
[10:00] <malnilion> Less of a pain in the ass.
[10:08] <Commander-Crowe> !language
[10:08] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:09] <rippawalle2> ass isnt really bad
[10:09] <rippawalle2> lol
[10:10] <Commander-Crowe> !language
[10:10] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:16] <duffner> What advantage do I have when I use XUbuntu, instead of plan Debian and installing xfce ?
[10:16] <duffner> aehm, plain debian...
[10:16] <rippawalle2> because it pwns
[10:16] <rippawalle2> D:
[10:17] <duffner> pwns is kiddy language ? translate please
[10:17] <rippawalle2> owns
[10:17] <rippawalle2> lol
[10:17] <duffner> ;-)
[10:17] <duffner> so... why ?
[10:17] <duffner> what is the difference ?
[10:17] <rippawalle2> dunno
[10:17] <rippawalle2> debian install failed for me
[10:17] <rippawalle2> LOL
[10:18] <duffner> ok, that *is* a reason I think hehe
[10:18] <rippawalle2> but then again so does most stuff for me
[10:18] <rippawalle2> LOL
[10:19] <duffner> you laugh a lot ;-)
[10:19] <rippawalle2> yeah
[10:19] <rippawalle2> :D
[10:20] <duffner> so here are 83 users in this forum and not one can tell me why he is using xubuntu instead of debian+xfce ? Or if there is any difference at all ?
[10:20] <duffner> puh
[10:21] <rippawalle2> lol
[10:21] <malnilion> I don't know, compare the packages it comes with?
[10:21] <malnilion> Xubuntu is fairly lightweight
[10:22] <malnilion> Oh, he's gone :P
[10:22] <rippawalle2> :P
[10:22] <TheSheep> what forum he was talking about?
[10:23] <malnilion> I think he meant to say channel.
[10:26] <something_else> guys... anyone can help with xubuntu install? it tells me "fatal error: no screen found" and doesn't load graphical interface
[10:27] <TheSheep> something_else: what graphics card do you use?
[10:27] <something_else> ati x800
[10:28] <something_else> any ideas?
[10:29] <something_else> I am a complete newbie.. but so far a guy who knows something and we tried lots of things..
[10:34] <grazie_> something_else: how much ram?
[10:34] <aim_nano> I'm having trouble installing my NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500 on a fresh Xubuntu install.  Any help would be appreciated.
[10:36] <something_else> 256mb ram
[10:38] <grazie> something_else: not a problem I've heard about before. Have you tried searching for ati and ubuntu?
[10:39] <something_else> I tried.. got many people with the same problem as mine..
[10:39] <something_else> no solution though..
[10:39] <something_else> I thought maybe on the official xubuntu support room.. I might get someone that can help
[10:39] <something_else> lots of people with ati.. especiall X series.. no screen found
[10:41] <sacater> xubuntu cant pick up network interfaces during non-graphical install, whats going on
[10:41] <grazie> something_else: I've got no answers. this is a user support channel. not official
[10:42] <sacater> atm its installing core packages
[10:42] <grazie> sacater: usually it can
[10:42] <something_else> topic says: Official Xubuntu Support Channel... but anyway..
[10:42] <sacater> grazie: well i said okay anyways, and im installing core packages now
[10:56] <icheyne> Is this channel logged anywhere? Can I read it on the web?
[10:57] <grazie> icheyne: yes it is...I can't remember where though
[10:57] <icheyne> found it! http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/xubuntu-current.html
[10:57] <icheyne> hehe
[10:57] <icheyne> thanks though
[10:57] <sacater> i have a channel
[10:57] <sacater> how do i log it?
[10:58] <icheyne> you get ubuntubot to log it
[10:58] <sacater> erm
[10:58] <sacater> go futher
[10:58] <icheyne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[10:58] <sacater> further
[10:58] <sacater> ty
[10:58] <icheyne> logbots
[10:58] <icheyne> heading
[10:59] <grazie> icheyne: I'm sure there's a link somewhere on the wiki...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[10:59] <icheyne> thanks grazie I found the link I was after
[10:59] <grazie> ...and it was?
[11:01] <icheyne> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/xubuntu-current.html
[11:01] <grazie> icheyne: thanks
[11:10] <eelysium> Hey folks
[11:10] <eelysium> Anyone around?
[11:10] <TheSheep> no :)
[11:10] <eelysium> Damn:P
[11:11] <eelysium> it so happens that I am having a problem with my WiFi, is there anyone who could lend a hand?
[11:14] <eelysium> I'm having trouble with my wireless connection on Xubuntu, I've got a D-Link DWL-G650 running and can get everything working (ie see the networks) but when I restart networking (./networking restart) it does DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to <IP_ADDRESS> but I never get any DHCPOFFERS.
[11:28] <andrew_> Can anyone help me with installing my GeForce FX 5500?
[11:30] <pleia2> andrew_: might want to ask a specific question about the installation, you'll get more help :)
[11:30] <maxamillion> andrew_: you just need the drivers?
[11:31] <maxamillion> andrew_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Graphics_Driver_.28NVIDIA.29 (but when it says to do "sudo gedit <whatever>" do "gksudo mousepad <whatever>" instead because you are on Xubuntu and not Ubuntu
[11:34] <andrew_> I followed this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=336412&highlight=geforce+fx+5500
[11:34] <andrew_> You can also see my response there.
[11:35] <andrew_> Mine is the last post on page 3.
[11:35] <andrew_> O
[11:35] <andrew_> I'm taking a look at the guide you linked now.
[11:36] <andrew_> Also have tried that guide already, and have since reinstalled Xubuntu.  I didn't have to use mousepad because I installed gedit before (or I use nano).
[11:37] <andrew_> But it seemed to work fine, until I restarted...then I got a blank screen.
[11:38] <superkirbyartist> Hello, I need a presentations program for Xubuntu.
[11:39] <kriel> Hi. I've got a freaky error when I try and do a make. It looks like the cp tried to copy a search expression or something.      cp: cannot stat `{*.c,in-tree/{Makefile,Kconfig},compat.h}': No such file or directory      any help?
[11:39] <andrew_> Open Office's full version has it.
[11:39] <superkirbyartist> I need it to run on Pentium MMX 266mhz with 172MB RAM.
[11:39] <grazie> andrew_: the link that maxamillion gave you is more likely to work. you don't have to build the driver yourself
[11:39] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: openoffice.org in synaptic, apt-get, or aptitude will allow you to make, open and manipulate powerpoint presentations
[11:39] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: oh .... not gonna happen
[11:40] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: zoho.com maybe
[11:40] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion: Why do they include Criawips but it has broken dependancies?
[11:40] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion:  Not web-based.
[11:41] <andrew_> I have previously used the guide linked my maxamillion, but upon restart I had a blank screen and I was unable to do anything but reinstall.
[11:41] <andrew_> linked by*
[11:41] <grazie> andrew_: maybe a driver and kernel mismatch then
[11:41] <superkirbyartist> Maxamillion: Why doesn't Criawips work?
[11:41] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: never heard of it
[11:42] <grazie> andrew_: why did you update the driver?
[11:43] <aim_nano> What do you mean?
[11:43] <aim_nano> All I did is what is in the guides....
[11:43] <aim_nano> two separate installs though.
[11:43] <maxamillion> superkirbyartist: try downloading the zoho quick read plugin for firefox if you only need to view them
[11:43] <grazie> aim_nano: you said you the link work before....before what?
[11:44] <aim_nano> It has yet to work correctly.
[11:44] <aim_nano> Using either guide.
[11:45] <grazie> aim_nano: you can't get into X windows any more?
[11:46] <aim_nano> When using maxamillion's guide - yes, that is what happened.
[11:46] <grazie> aim_nano: you said you had trouble both ways...?
[11:47] <aim_nano> Then I reinstalled...and used the guide that I linked - I was unable to get back into my GUI, but I did have a prompt so I edited my xorg.conf with nano back to 'nv' and then hit ctrl+alt+F7
[11:47] <aim_nano> So neither way has worked for me.
[11:47] <grazie> aim_nano: good stuff
[11:48] <grazie> aim_nano: nvidia drivers are usually easy to install. I don't know what your problem was...
[11:48] <aim_nano> lol
[11:48] <aim_nano> Neither do I.
[11:48] <aim_nano> The instructions were fairly simple with both methods.
[11:48] <aim_nano> Basically everything went smoothly until the reboot.
[11:49] <aim_nano> No errors during installation other than those I noted in my forum post.
[11:49] <aim_nano> The problems start when I reboot and X won't load.
[11:49] <agreif> Does anybody know how can I add my own deb package to the official ubuntu repository? Is there a sort of request form?
[11:49] <grazie> aim_nano: yeah the reboot loads the nvidia driver (binary)
[11:49] <aim_nano> agreif: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories_on_DVDs
[11:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> agreif: Check in #ubuntu-motu.  The topic has all the links you'll need, and there are people there you can ask if you get confused.
[11:51] <superkirbyartist> Thank you max is zolo fast?
[11:51] <grazie> aim_nano: all I can't suggest is live with the open source nvidia driver for the time being and look out for problems/solutions
[11:52] <agreif> aim_nano:may be I was not clear, I mean I created a package with my own software and want it to be registered on the archives.ubuntu.org package repository.
[11:52] <superkirbyartist> I hope so, so wish me good luck and see you later.
[11:52] <aim_nano> I think I figured out the problem.
[11:52] <grazie> agreif: like PuMpErNiCkLe said ..motu
[11:53] <grazie> aim_nano: ..go on then....
[11:53] <aim_nano> On why it was version mismatched...
[11:53] <aim_nano> I never updated my repositories after I installed...
[11:53] <aim_nano> It was a totally fresh install..
[11:53] <agreif> ok thanks
[11:54] <grazie> aim_nano: maxamillion's link would have worked though!
[11:55] <maxamillion> :)
[11:56] <aim_nano> I've tried it.
[11:56] <aim_nano> I reboot into a blank screen...
[11:56] <grazie> aim_nano: what version of xubuntu?
[11:56] <aim_nano> edgy
[11:57] <aim_nano> 6.10
[11:58] <grazie> aim_nano: unless that link has had a new driver of course...i only installed the driver myself a few weeks back
[11:58] <kick52> hello
[11:58] <kick52> is there a way to get the "places" menu like in ubuntu in xubuntu?
[11:58] <kick52> i cant really connect to network volumes without it..
[11:58] <grazie> aim_nano: well worth doing the update and retrying
[11:59] <maxamillion> kick52: what kind of network volumes?
[11:59] <kick52> well.. i need to connect to my ibook, so.. ftp 'n'  stuff
[12:00] <aim_nano> It seems to be downloading a lot more this time...
[12:00] <aim_nano> So maybe that was it..
[12:00] <kick52> i can do smb
[12:00] <kick52> aswell
[12:00] <kick52> anyone know?
[12:00] <nyarla> Hello. Is it possible to have thunar (on xubuntu dapper) display remote samba fileshare, the way gnome/nautilus does on ubuntu?
[12:00] <kick52> like him ^
[12:00] <Berg-help> hello. I am in need of help.
[12:00] <kick52> thats what i need to do
[12:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Not the same way, no, since Thunar doesn't have built-in shares browsing.
[12:01] <Berg-help> I am trying to install it on my old PC
[12:01] <kick52> that sucks
[12:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You can mount the share as a remote filesystem, and view it that way.
[12:01] <kick52> nice
[12:01] <kick52> how?
[12:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Using smbfs.
[12:01] <maxamillion> kick52: smb is something that i don't recommend for Xubuntu, it is something that is still being implemented into Thunar but gftp is really good for ftp, you just need to install it via synaptic, apt-get, or aptitude
[12:01] <kick52> ah ok
[12:01] <kick52> thanks
[12:01] <nyarla> PuMpErNiCkLe: ok thanks, u saved me some time
[12:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[12:02] <grazie> aim_nano: yeah the driver has been updated in the repos, but you've not yet picked up the matching kernel
[12:02] <kick52> ok thanks guys
[12:02] <kick52> cya
[12:03] <aim_nano> brb let's try this again (rebooting)
[12:03] <aim_nano> be right back (hopefully)
[12:03] <maxamillion> bah! ... he doesn't need to keep rebooting
[12:04] <grazie> maxamillion: he's still learning stuff
[12:04] <grazie> maxamillion: do you know if the latest kernel problem is sorted yet?
[12:04] <maxamillion> grazie: latest kernel problem?
[12:05] <grazie> maxamillion: linux-image was missing in the repos...so kernel update borked
[12:05] <maxamillion> grazie: oh wow, didn't know about that .... it updated on my home machine without a problem
[12:06] <grazie> maxamillion: I though they'd blocked kernel updates for the time being ...I dunno
[12:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Looks good here, too, although I haven't updated.
[12:06] <maxamillion> grazie: oh, maybe
[12:07] <grazie> grazie: it's why I lost my sound a couple of weeks ago
[12:07] <maxamillion> grazie: it might have just downloaded the others and ignored the kernel ... i dunno, don't really pay much attention to it
[12:07] <grazie> it was the problem then
[12:07] <aim_nano>  /sigh
[12:09] <grazie> aim_nano: what have you done?
[12:09] <aim_nano> Still didn't work, even more errors this time.
[12:09] <aim_nano> I'm wondering if the other guide is conflicting.
[12:10] <aim_nano> The stuff I did from the other install.  I think I'm going to reinstall again.
[12:10] <aim_nano> Just so I'm starting fresh again.
[12:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Quite possibly it caused a conflict, or two, if you've tried installing the driver from the repo *and* from the nVidia website.
[12:10] <aim_nano> Well.
[12:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Usually it's an either/or kind of thing.
[12:11] <aim_nano> I tried from repo, then I reinstalled.
[12:11] <aim_nano> Then I tried site - didn't work.
[12:11] <aim_nano> And tried repo again without reinstalling.
[12:11] <aim_nano> So I'm going to try one more time.
[12:11] <aim_nano> 1) Reinstall Xubuntu.  2)  Update repo  3)  Follow guide.
[12:12] <grazie> aim_nano: from what you've described...you got a new driver (from 2 source) but no new kernel to match
[12:12] <grazie> aim_nano: no
[12:12] <aim_nano> Where do I get a new kernel?
[12:12] <aim_nano> I'm installing from the most recent image posted on Xubuntu.com
[12:12] <aim_nano> The Edgy 6.10 stable.
[12:13] <grazie> aim_nano: use the open source driver. to back into X windows...yes?
[12:13] <aim_nano> Yes.  'nv'
[12:13] <grazie> then to do complete update...yes?
[12:14] <Berg-help> the desktop ISO didnt work so I used the application one. I just finished installing and I boot up. The bar finished moving but once that is done the screen goes black and nothing more
[12:14] <aim_nano> It's hard for me to understand your English grazie, I'm sorry.
[12:15] <aim_nano> I'm not sure of how to do a complete update.
[12:15] <aim_nano> If you mean updating my repositories....I follow this: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[12:15] <aim_nano> Which might not have worked correctly since that's for Ubuntu.
[12:16] <aim_nano> Rather than xubuntu.
[12:16] <grazie> aim_nano: either 'sudo atp-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get dist upgrade' or use aptitude or use synaptic to do the same thing
[12:17] <grazie> aim_nano: whatever you know/like best
[12:17] <aim_nano> Doing sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get dist upgrade now...
[12:17] <aim_nano> I'm still learning the Ubuntu lingo...I've only used Gentoo before.
[12:18] <aim_nano> But I appreciate the elegant simplicity of Xubuntu.
[12:18] <grazie> aim_nano: when that's finished you can try updating to the nvidia closed source driver
[12:18] <aim_nano> Via the guide maxa linked?
[12:18] <grazie> aim_nano: if you used gentoo you must be an expert!
[12:18] <aim_nano> lol
[12:18] <Berg-help> anyone able to help?
[12:18] <aim_nano> yeah it was difficult to configure, but ti started making sense after awhile
[12:19] <Berg-help> xubuntu just won't run
[12:19] <grazie> aim_nano: maxamillion's link would be easiest yes
[12:19] <aim_nano> xubuntu is just different - learning something new
[12:19] <Berg-help>  installed 6.1 FF and every time the mouse finished loading nothing happens
[12:19] <maxamillion> Berg-help: 6.1 FF?
[12:22] <aim_nano> Everytime I run sudo apt-get update I get the error:
[12:22] <grazie> aim_nano: you don't usually need to reboot linux very often, but if you've picked a new kernel you'll need to reboot before get the nvidia driver
[12:22] <aim_nano> W: GPG error: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[12:22] <aim_nano> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:23] <aim_nano> andrew@andrew-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get dist upgrade
[12:23] <aim_nano> E: Invalid operation dist
[12:23] <grazie> aim_nano: sounds like a bit of a mess
[12:23] <aim_nano> Reinstall and start over?
[12:23] <maxamillion> aim_nano: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:24] <aim_nano> k
[12:24] <aim_nano> That's working :-P
[12:24] <maxamillion> ;)
[12:24] <grazie> aim_nano: my mistake :(
[12:25] <grazie> aim_nano: typo
[12:26] <grazie> maxamillion: did you ever get the solaris dvd?
[12:27] <maxamillion> grazie: no :(
[12:27] <maxamillion> still waiting
[12:27] <grazie> me too
[12:28] <Berg-help> Maximillion
[12:28] <Berg-help> feisty fawn