[01:11] <robru> alex-abreu: https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/unity-webapps-qml/improve-embedded-ui-params-passing/+merge/250329 need this top-approved
[05:24] <rsalveti> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/kubuntu-packaging/qgstreamercapturesession_avoid_race_eos/+merge/256881
[05:24] <Mirv> rsalveti: thanks!
[05:32] <bzoltan_> robru: ohh, what a begginer mistake :) thanks... now the MRs are approved
[05:32] <bzoltan_> Mirv: ^
[05:41] <Mirv> bzoltan_: nice!
[05:42] <bzoltan_> Mirv:  I am sorry ... I simple forget about approving the MRs ..
[05:43] <Mirv> bah, now we'd need packaging ack
[05:44] <Mirv> robru: the diffs fixing is still underway, right?
[05:44] <robru> Mirv: should be fixed...
[05:44] <Mirv> robru: it's saying the source is a new package https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/ubuntu-ui-toolkit_packaging_changes.diff
[05:45] <Mirv> bzoltan is probably pretty sure he has landed ui toolkit before
[05:45] <bzoltan_> few times
[05:45] <robru> Buh
[05:46] <robru> Mirv: go back to the old build job for now. Will investigate that tomorrow
[05:47] <Mirv> robru: thanks!
[05:47] <robru> Mirv: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-004-1-build/129/ this one I think
[05:47] <robru> You're welcome
[05:48] <Mirv> robru: yes, found it
[05:48] <robru> Great
[05:52] <Mirv> asking for packaging ack on #ubuntu-devel
[06:37] <Mirv> got ack
[07:40] <popey> sil2100: cwayne bug 1446499 after updating today from store - it's gone.
[07:45] <ogra_> popey, does it come back after reboot ?
[07:46] <popey> not rebooted yet
[07:46]  * ogra_ stays away from updating
[07:54] <Mirv> I can confirm
[07:55] <Mirv> and does not come back after reboot
[08:02] <popey> gah!
[08:03] <popey> victorp: ^
[08:03] <sil2100> huh
[08:07] <sil2100> bzoltan_: we'll have to poke the release team about this one
[08:08] <sil2100> bzoltan_: i.e. about qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu - it's critical, so should be good to get approved
[08:09] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  thanks. it is silly to catch a critical bug at that late phase and even sillier to shoot twice on the same bug.
[08:12] <ogra_> popey, can we pull it from the store worst case ?
[08:13] <popey> not sure, last time I did that, I kinda got chided by beuno
[08:13] <Saviq> cihelp, the provision script's been aborting for me with this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10860323/ for a few days now, that expected?
[08:13] <popey> ah no, I can "unpublish" okayt
[08:13] <ogra_> popey, well, or block it ... we should make sure not more people upgrade to it
[08:14] <popey> (it was revert to previous version he didn't like)
[08:14] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[08:14] <popey> ~380 people have updated so far
[08:14] <ogra_> damn
[08:14] <popey> shall I unpublish do you think?
[08:14] <ogra_> yeah
[08:14] <popey> done
[08:15] <ogra_> if it is reproducable we should prevent more damage
[08:15] <ogra_> and i see you pinged victorp already ... i guess we need a quick fix to unscrew the users
[08:15]  * popey adds a comment to the bug to say I unpublished
[08:15] <popey> well, they can reboot and then re-fave the scope
[08:16] <popey> but that's not very pleasant, and no discoverable
[08:16] <ogra_> i thought it is gone ?
[08:16] <sil2100> popey: cwayne should be around in a few hours to help out if anything
[08:16]  * Saviq thinks it was renamed to "dashboard" wasn't it?
[08:16] <sil2100> In the meantime let's unpublish
[08:16] <ogra_> already happened :)
[08:16] <Saviq> likely why it disappeared from the favorite list
[08:16] <ogra_> ouch
[08:17]  * popey wonders how this was tested :(
[08:17] <ogra_> yeah, we have no support for that
[08:17] <sil2100> I wonder if it was signed off by QA at all
[08:17] <ogra_> yup
[08:17] <ogra_> weird
[08:17] <popey> ok, well we have a bug and they can look when they wake
[08:17] <sil2100> This might be another hole in our process
[08:18] <sil2100> Normally testing of the today scope happens on new custom tarballs
[08:18] <Mirv> thanks popey
[08:18] <popey> np
[08:19] <Saviq> popey, just to confirm, can you see in "gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Dash favorite-scopes"
[08:19] <popey> Saviq: i have already rebooted and re-added..
[08:19] <Saviq> popey, sure, that's fine, still interesting to know what the scope id is
[08:19] <popey> ['scope://com.canonical.scopes.dashboard_dashboard', 'scope://unity-scope-nearby', 'scope://clickscope', 'scope://com.canonical.scopes.news_unity-scope-news', 'scope://musicaggregator', 'scope://videoaggregator', 'scope://com.canonical.scopes.photos_photos']
[08:19] <Saviq> popey, if you don't care for your favourites list, could you `gsettings reset` it?
[08:20] <popey> I'd rather not.
[08:20]  * Saviq wonders if they updated the default
[08:20] <Mirv> oh, it can be readded. but how do I get it to be the first on again instead of last one?
[08:20] <popey> oh go on then
[08:20]  * sil2100 will upgrade the package
[08:20] <sil2100> Mirv: you can re-order
[08:20] <Mirv> long press
[08:20] <Mirv> sil2100: found
[08:20] <Saviq> Mirv, long-press, drag by handle
[08:20] <sil2100> Mirv: just long-press it on the manage screen
[08:20] <sil2100> Yeah ;)
[08:20]  * popey mails the phone list to let people know how to undo this.
[08:20] <Mirv> almost discoverable
[08:21] <Saviq> Mirv, good news: manage dash is likely going away
[08:21] <popey> Saviq: resetting has done this:-
[08:21] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Dash favorite-scopes
[08:21] <popey> ['scope://clickscope', 'scope://musicaggregator', 'scope://videoaggregator']
[08:21] <popey> :(
[08:21] <Saviq> popey, weird, that's mako/rtm?
[08:22] <popey> no
[08:22] <popey> retail bq
[08:22] <Saviq> huh
[08:22] <Mirv> yeah, I got my retail bq yesterday
[08:22] <Saviq> popey, fwiw, you can `gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Dash favorite-scopes "['scope://com.canonical.scopes.dashboard_dashboard', 'scope://unity-scope-nearby', 'scope://clickscope', 'scope://com.canonical.scopes.news_unity-scope-news', 'scope://musicaggregator', 'scope://videoaggregator', 'scope://com.canonical.scopes.photos_photos']"` to get back your list
[08:23] <popey> thanks
[08:23] <Saviq> but the reset is scary, /me flashes krillin to see in a moment
[08:24] <Saviq> this would mean that the custom tarball doesn't override the default
[08:24] <Saviq> but that'd be *really* weird
[08:24] <ogra_> Saviq, why would it
[08:24] <sil2100> Strange, I don't see the today scope update on my krillin, huh
[08:25] <ogra_> the custom tarball installs what is in it as upgrade time, thats it ... if there is a newer version of something it ships in teh store this will always override
[08:25] <ogra_> sil2100, because it was unpublished already :)
[08:25] <Saviq> ogra_, I meant the gsettings key
[08:26] <Saviq> ogra_, the default list of favourite scopes is just apps, music, video unless it's overridden by custom tarball
[08:26] <ogra_> the default is likely schipped as system wide schema ...
[08:26] <sil2100> Ah, it was already, ok ;)
[08:26] <ogra_> so if the user has the key set, it will override the system one
[08:26] <Saviq> ogra_, which is why going `gsettings reset ...` should get it back
[08:26] <ogra_> yeah
[08:27] <ogra_> it doesnt ?
[08:27] <Saviq> ogra_, and popey did the reset, and was presented with just the 3 scopes
[08:27] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/clicks/com.canonical.scopes.dashboard_1.7.15_armhf.click is the offending click if you really want it sil2100 :)
[08:27] <Saviq> this is what makes me wonder
[08:27] <sil2100> popey: thanks ;)
[08:27] <Saviq> Mirv, confirmed silo 15 makes CPU settle
[08:28] <Mirv> Saviq: thanks! I tested both that use case and the one I found.
[08:33] <sil2100> jibel: ping
[08:42] <Saviq> ogra_, oh, they're not using gsettings overrides but a dconf one...
[08:45] <ogra_> lovely
[08:51] <Saviq> ogra_, popey, sil2100, IMO a bug in unity-scopes-shell, letting pete-woods know
[08:51] <Saviq> pete-woods, https://bugs.launchpad.net/today-scope/+bug/1446499/comments/12
[08:51] <Saviq> pstolowski, ↑
[08:52] <victorp> ogra ping
[08:52] <ogra_> victorp, hey
[08:52] <victorp> just saw the pings from you and popey, whats up?
[08:53] <ogra_> victorp, today scope in the store is broken
[08:53] <ogra_> victorp, we unpublished it, but it went out to ~350 users
[08:53] <victorp> ok..
[08:53] <victorp> what are you installing it on? arale or krillin?
[08:53] <Mirv> krillin stable
[08:53] <sil2100> victorp: on krillin
[08:53] <ogra_> retail devices
[08:53] <Saviq> ogra_, victorp, I wouldn't say "the scope is broken" any more
[08:54] <ogra_> well, the user exüperience is broken once you install the update :)
[08:54] <Saviq> it's the update process that's broken
[08:54] <ogra_> ("the scope is broken is shorter :P )
[08:54] <Saviq> yeah ok, details on the bug
[08:54] <sil2100> Saviq: ok, might indeed be the case here
[08:54] <ogra_> Saviq, well, it also didnt get any QA it seems
[08:54] <sil2100> Although I think that updating the scope without QA is a bad thing in overall
[08:55] <Saviq> ogra_, sure, FWIW I'd say the problem is race-y, too
[08:55] <ogra_> yeah
[08:55] <Saviq> so not everyone will hit it
[08:55] <sil2100> Some people said it was fine for them
[08:56] <Mirv> sil2100: where? at least on the bug report the reply was "fine if you readd it" if I understood it correctly.
[08:56] <sil2100> Mirv: on the mailing list
[08:56] <Mirv> sil2100: oh, ok. good if it doesn't hit everyone.
[08:57] <victorp> ogra_, sil2100 first of all , dont make things up
[08:57] <victorp> :)
[08:57] <sil2100> Mirv: one person said that he upgraded and today scope remained on the favorite list
[08:57] <Mirv> sil2100: so it seems
[08:57] <pstolowski> Saviq, commented, it's as you described
[08:57] <victorp> if you have a scope favourited and you  updated it to a new version it *always* removes it from the fav list
[08:57] <victorp> Saviq, ^^
[08:58] <victorp> but should still appear in your bottom edge list
[08:58] <ogra_> victorp, ugh
[08:58] <sil2100> victorp: so that's by design?
[08:58] <victorp> i thought that had been reported, it happens to me with the child scopes we favourited
[08:58] <Saviq> victorp, yeah, that's correct, but shouldn't be the case should it
[08:58] <victorp> well seems like bad desing :)
[08:58] <sil2100> ;)
[08:58] <ogra_> that sounds pretty broken ... like if an update would remove the icons i added from the launcher
[08:58] <victorp> right, I thought it was a bug that had been reported , my bad for not checking
[08:59] <victorp> ogra_, agreed
[08:59] <victorp> so the more concerning part would be why is not appearing in the bottom edge with respect today scope
[08:59] <ogra_> victorp, good that we catched it then ... better if a QA test had catched it before it went to the store though :)
[09:00] <Mirv> do we have phased store updates in plans similar to image updates?
[09:00] <victorp> ogra_, it wouldnt, because this only happens if you update from the scope, if you update custom is doesnt
[09:00] <pstolowski> victorp, so it's not appearing on the bottom edge list under 'Also installed' ?
[09:00] <ogra_> victorp, well, a new music app doesnt go into the store without QA run ... this scope apparently did according to QA
[09:01] <ogra_> also i thought it is in the manage scopes tool, but under new name ?
[09:01] <victorp> ogra_, what are you talking about?
[09:01] <sil2100> This is one of the holes in the process, every new click that's by default on the image and gets upgraded needs QA sign-off
[09:02] <sil2100> Even the today scope
[09:02] <ogra_> victorp, with what exactly ?
[09:02] <ogra_> victorp, that the scope didnt get QA before oing to the store ?
[09:02] <victorp> I am telling you the scope is not broken, is the "update a scope from the store" process that is doing this , you just have notice it now
[09:02] <ogra_> *goin
[09:02] <ogra_> ah !
[09:02] <ogra_> right, i didnt get that ...
[09:02] <victorp> pstolowski, so reading the bug from popey it appears after reboot
[09:03] <popey> victorp: only if you re-add it.
[09:03] <ogra_> popey, in the manage... list
[09:03] <popey> yes
[09:03] <victorp> popey, what do you mean by re-add it?
[09:03] <Mirv> victorp: from user point of view it's gone for good and doesn't come back. I didn't find it in the management either untils someone told it that it's in there.
[09:03] <popey> sorry, re-favourite it
[09:03] <victorp> popey, ack
[09:04] <victorp> ok, first of all - this has nothing to do with the today scope
[09:04] <ogra_> popey, well, this was about: is it in the manage scopes area only after a reboot or is it there right after upgrade
[09:04] <victorp> that is the behaviour of all scopes you update from the sore
[09:04] <victorp> store
[09:04] <popey> ok.
[09:04] <pstolowski> so it's two problems actually; manage list didn't refresh until reboot, and the scope needed to be favorited again
[09:04] <victorp> if it wasnt in the bottom edge after update and then shows after a reboot, that still has nothing to do with the scope
[09:04] <popey> But the fact that it's the default first scope, it uncovers a bug
[09:04] <ogra_> sure
[09:05] <victorp> pstolowski,  +!
[09:05] <victorp> +1
[09:05] <victorp> popey, exactly
[09:06] <victorp> as far as I can tell the team is just publishing to the store scopes that where added to custom-proposed , which is tested ogra_
[09:06] <victorp> I didnt get an update notice
[09:06] <ogra_> because we unpublished it
[09:06] <popey> i pulled it from the store around 40 mins ago
[09:06] <victorp> but if they had to change the version for whatever reason, it would have trigger it
[09:06] <ogra_> and you dont get noticxes for apps/scopes
[09:06] <victorp> i.e. change on mantainer name in manifest
[09:07] <victorp> so I dont think qaing this more would have helped, what we need is the beta/alpha channel in the store so we can test upgrades
[09:07] <victorp> I believe beuno's team is already working on that
[09:07] <popey> well if someone had installed the click on a retail bq device they would have noticed the scope disappear
[09:07] <victorp> so, can we open 2 bugs to track the issues that pstolowski has highlighted
[09:07] <popey> and hopefully file the right bug?
[09:08] <ogra_> right, we would at least have catched one of the issues here
[09:08] <popey> but I suspect nobody QA'd it on a _retail_ bq image.
[09:08] <popey> because that's the only one shipping it by default
[09:08] <victorp> popey, I understand that this issues are new to you, but we have know about them for a while, I just thought they were being addressed
[09:08] <popey> or they did, and ignored the fact that the scope disappeared
[09:08] <victorp> popey, more probably that
[09:08] <popey> victorp: new to me and thousands of bq retail handset owners
[09:09] <ogra_> yeah
[09:09] <victorp> popey, ok and? I am not sure what you are asking me?
[09:09] <popey> ok. where is the bug tracking the fact that scopes disappear, and need a reboot?
[09:09] <victorp> I think we need two bugs for that
[09:09] <popey> the assumption that things are being fixed because "we read:I already know about them" is a broken process.
[09:10] <victorp> can you please open them popey?
[09:10] <popey> i opened one, I don't know what the second one is.
[09:10] <victorp> popey, sure - if you expect me to find all the bugs that is also broken :)
[09:11] <popey> I didn't say you. I implied QA
[09:11] <popey> If someone is QAing something and they spot something is broken, I'd expect a bug.
[09:11] <popey> my point being nobody filed a bug for these issues because "we know about it"
[09:11] <ogra_> victorp, if you found that bug before (knew about it), someone must have seen it but not filed it ... thats the broken part
[09:11] <popey> but yeah, I'll file the bugs for you.
[09:11] <popey> exactly
[09:12] <victorp> anyway, this is going in circles, there are two bugs in unity8 Saviq.. favouriting does not survive an update from the store , and the bottom edge/manage dash does not seem to always register updates.
[09:12] <ogra_> victorp, when interacting with the users it helps if we can point to a bug
[09:12] <victorp> let me know if you need anything else
[09:12] <victorp> ogra_, 100% agreed
[09:12] <ogra_> i.e. popey could have pointed it out in the warning mail he sent
[09:13] <Saviq> victorp, both are unity-scopes-shell bugs
[09:15] <victorp> Saviq, ack
[09:17] <victorp> Saviq, are you happy just tracking the issues on 1446499
[09:18] <popey> i added a second
[09:18] <popey> bug 1446536
[09:19] <Saviq> victorp, popey, thanks
[09:19] <victorp> ta! popey
[09:20] <Saviq> pstolowski, one more related, not sure if that's -scopes-shell exactly or the scope backing Manage Dash ↑
[09:20] <popey> so do we re-publish today in the store?
[09:20] <popey> because this is a "known" bug?
[09:21] <Mirv> I think it's really bad from user pov
[09:21] <ogra_> well
[09:21] <Saviq> yeah, but then otherwise we'd block any core scope updates until we release the next OTA...
[09:21] <ogra_> we dont have a system update planned
[09:22] <Mirv> well right, true
[09:22] <ogra_> so the fix wont land before next OTA
[09:22] <Mirv> people will learn to use scopes at least..
[09:22] <ogra_> i wonder if there is a way to hack around it from the scopeside
[09:22] <Saviq> ogra_, not likely
[09:22] <pstolowski> Saviq, ok, so this is the second problem from the 1st bug
[09:22] <ogra_> yeah, i was fearing that
[09:23] <Saviq> ogra_, it's basically a case of "oh, the scope went away, let's drop it from favourites"
[09:23] <ogra_> so either we live with the bug (very bad imho) and re-publish ... or we hold back all scope changes til it is fixed
[09:24] <Saviq> pstolowski,
[09:24] <Saviq> https://bugs.launchpad.net/today-scope/+bug/1446499/comments/16
[09:25] <ogra_> victorp, any opinion ?
[09:25] <pstolowski> Saviq, yeah, that would be simple to do, but would mean we never get rid of uninstalled scopes. unless we purge at startup
[09:26] <Saviq> pstolowski, hook on uninstall won't do, as it's based off of the .ini file already?
[09:27] <pstolowski> Saviq, sorry, i can't parse what you're saying ;). i'm just talking about the plugin which purges favorites whenever registry is updated (and scope disappears)
[09:28] <Saviq> pstolowski, sure, I'm saying that a hook on uninstall could trigger the removal from favourites, unless this is basically what happens already?
[09:29]  * Saviq wonders how relevant this discussion is in light of "scopes as apps"...
[09:29] <pstolowski> Saviq, ah, no. it's handled completly by the shell
[09:29] <pstolowski> * shell plugin
[09:29] <pstolowski> Saviq, yeah, becomes irrelevant then ;)
[09:29] <Saviq> well, kinda
[09:30] <Saviq> it just moves from Manage Dash to $wherever_we_store_favourites (like in click scope or something, to display at the top)
[09:47] <dbarth> jibel: o/ i'm trying to get an idea whether silo 6 is considered for testing, or if there is something blocking landings in the overlay ppa
[09:48] <dbarth> i may have another silo next, with branches targeted for desktop (w updates and potential srus); let me know
[09:56] <jibel> dbarth, it is in the triaged queue, it should be verified soon-ish
[09:57] <dbarth> ok, nw
[09:57] <bregma> trainguards, point of procedure: do I need to get an ACK from the Ubuntu release team first to land silo ubuntu/landing-020 (#1446256) or does it just land and go into the UNAPPROVED queue and get ACKed from there?
[09:57] <dbarth> jibel: thanks
[09:58] <sil2100> bregma: we could publish it without an ACK, but it's best to coordinate beforehand especially if the bug that's being fixed is not set to critical
[09:59] <sil2100> bregma: without the ACK it would en up in UNAPPROVED, but might get rejected due to lack of infromation etc.
[09:59] <bregma> sil2100, thanks
[10:01] <Mirv> sil2100: bregma: since it's seeded I think it's even required to go via release team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze
[10:01] <Mirv> for example qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu was unseeded universe package but unity is a different beast
[10:02] <Mirv> anyway, it's still >1.5 days so it's ok to go to vivid normal instead of proposed
[10:04] <Mirv> davmor2: Bq now passes my official seal of approval requirements when I'm now writing this from Bq after using a menu shortcut to login + screen -dr and I've added Ctrl-D, Ctrl-P and Ctrl-N to the ctrl menu
[10:04] <jibel> sil2100, Mirv bregma if it is ready publish it, we need it on the image
[10:04] <sil2100> jibel: ok
[10:05] <sil2100> Mirv: let me publish the unity silo then
[10:05] <Mirv> sil2100: ok
[10:05] <sil2100> The release team will deal with it ;)
[10:06] <bregma> that's right, pass the buck
[10:07] <davmor2> Mirv: it did anyway, I told you you were just using it wrong ;)
[10:07] <Mirv> davmor2: that too :)
[10:08] <davmor2> Mirv: did you like the osm touch app by the way?
[10:08] <davmor2> Mirv: and don't play uu or we'll lose you forever :D
[10:10] <Mirv> davmor2: the osmtouch is a familiar one to me, I've used it mako quite a bit. even though I didn't use mako "really really" (so this Bq is what I really give my "normal use case" for), I did use it for browsing and location
[10:11] <Mirv> davmor2: it's ok but I need something closer to Osmand~ - offline vector maps, voice navigation
[10:11] <Mirv> and if I would have click chroot creation not broken on my vivid I'd give a Navit or Marble a try to get something built
[10:11] <Mirv> but alas I've not found the reason why click is totally busted on my machine
[10:11] <davmor2> Mirv: here does turn by turn it you switch down to walking rather than driving :)
[10:12] <Mirv> davmor2: here is closed source, I want OSM maps too :)
[10:12] <Mirv> I prefer OSM in general even without closed/open over google maps and here maps
[10:12] <davmor2> Mirv: whine whine whine ;)
[10:13] <Mirv> just so much more "love" into details in there, like stairs, tree locations or cow locations when people go crazy in details :)
[10:13] <Mirv> well maybe not cow unless there's real time tracking objects feature in OSM
[10:13] <Mirv> davmor2: no I just want to make it win win win for me :)
[10:13] <davmor2> Mirv: it's not working because it hates you, hate it back it works for me ;)  It might be all the dev stuff you have in place for other stuff is interfering maybe?
[10:14] <Mirv> davmor2: :) I won't install any dev stuff on the Bq (except for stuff like customizating terminal settings etc). but no apt etc hacking.
[10:15] <davmor2> Mirv: what you really need is a new dell laptop and a fresh install of vivid that will fix it and your broken screen too :D
[10:15] <Mirv> oh right the chroot, yes
[10:15] <Mirv> davmor2: I'd like to understand the actual bug in there, I've already gone through two difficult ones but it still now fails at the end of it (used to be: in the beginning)
[10:16] <Mirv> but it's annoying since at the end of click chroot creation it wants to unmount my encrypted home after which my desktop is busted
[10:16] <davmor2> Mirv: blame pitti or ogra that normally gets things fixed ;)
[10:16] <Mirv> davmor2: I don't blame anyone, I file bugs!
[10:17] <davmor2> Mirv: you do it all wrong don't you :D
[10:17] <Mirv> but true, I'll get a fresh machine soon (~month?). but I hate it when there's some bug that might really affect other people too.
[10:18] <Mirv> I'm sure other people are running into that previously filed bug #1436835 too
[10:20] <davmor2> Mirv: you could try throwing a kvm install or an lxc install and try running it in there and then figure out the difference between the base install and the version on your desktop to figure out why it hates you
[10:20] <davmor2> Mirv: I wonder if it is the QT versions you are building playing havoc with the system maybe?
[10:20] <Mirv> davmor2: true, although I can also just run 14.04 LTS from my server and do stuff there
[10:20] <Mirv> davmor2: no, I
[10:21] <Mirv> davmor2: 'm not building Qt on this machine, but in a chroot on my server machine
[10:22] <Mirv> davmor2: similar to that filed bug ^ I've messed around with schroot before and configuration files a lot, and ideally click would detect the most common misconfigurations instead of blowing up
[10:22] <davmor2> Mirv: are you testing the QT packages on that machine though?  Ie is it expecting to install qt 5.3.1 and getting qt5.3.4 that you've installed or something crazy like that?
[10:22] <Mirv> davmor2: one problem is that I've already checked everything I can regarding click & schroot against a clean install and I fail to find anything relevant. that way I found that missing fstab in that previous report.
[10:23] <Mirv> davmor2: no, and since Click creates a fresh chroot it does not care what's on the host system
[10:23] <Mirv> oh well yes, I do occasionally have Qt PPA:s here and test them, but I also purge them afterwards
[10:53] <pstolowski> popey, hey, any idea how can i test a potential fix for the problem of today scope update, without you actually publishing it?
[10:56] <pstolowski> (i need any scope update to test it)
[10:57] <popey> pstolowski: good question
[10:58] <popey> pstolowski: maybe someone on the team has a scope of some kind that we can push to the store under a new test name?
[10:58] <davmor2> popey: pstolowski: surely you can just install it locally?
[10:58] <popey> that could work too, but does the problem trigger with pkcon?
[10:59] <davmor2> popey: I'm assuming pkcon is doing the installing from the update
[11:00] <popey> worth testing in both ways
[11:01] <pstolowski> davmor2, popey that sounds like a good suggestion; isn't it 'click install --local...' that i need?
[11:02] <popey> I tend to "pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted foo.click"
[11:02] <pstolowski> ok
[11:03] <davmor2> pstolowski: ^ what he said
[11:03] <pstolowski> yeah, thanks
[11:03] <pstolowski> popey, the fix goes only into vivid i presume?
[11:04] <popey> well as I understand it there will be no more rtm-1409 / utopic based OTAs so vivid makes sense, but check with sil2100
[11:04] <sil2100> Yeah
[11:05] <pstolowski> sil2100, popey ack
[11:05] <pstolowski> victorp, who can provide me with an updated version of today scope .click?
[11:05] <victorp> cwayne or kylen
[11:06] <pstolowski> ty
[11:12] <ogra_> victorp, so whats our plan forward, do we hold back scope landings until after next OTA ?
[11:12] <victorp> ogra_, landings to?
[11:12] <ogra_> since the fix can only come from a OTA
[11:12] <ogra_> scope landings to the store
[11:13] <victorp> yes, at least for the agregators
[11:13] <victorp> that are currently favourites
[11:13] <ogra_> ok
[11:13] <cwayne> pstolowski, whats up?
[11:13] <victorp> we can still update them via OTA
[11:13] <victorp> that seems to work fine
[11:13] <ogra_> yeah
[11:14] <ogra_> in general that shows a problem though ...
[11:14] <ogra_> being stuck with store landings because we need an OTA for the underlying fix
[11:14] <ogra_> i wonder if there is a way around
[11:16] <davmor2> ogra_: include the fix in a store package but then that would get messy
[11:17] <ogra_> davmor2, well, in this case we couldnt
[11:17] <pstolowski> cwayne, sent you an email. bbiab
[11:17] <ogra_> davmor2, a click cant ship system bits ... and the rootfs would even have to be writable to replace the broken parts
[11:18] <ogra_> in snappy, where the system bits will be framewworks, this will be fixable via the store
[11:18] <davmor2> ogra_: unless it is in core
[11:19] <ogra_> well, core is small enough that it shouldnt affect us
[11:19] <ogra_> but yeah
[12:06] <popey> sil2100: moving back over here. i see pstolowski|lunch is going to talk to cwayne when he wakes.
[12:06] <popey> sil2100: lets wait for that conversation to happen.
[12:06] <cwayne> sil2100, i've been here :) got him a click
[12:06] <cwayne> oops popey ^
[12:06] <popey> there we go :)
[12:07] <popey> thanks cwayne (sorry for all the pings)
[12:07] <cwayne> 7:30AM meetings ftw
[12:07] <popey> :)
[12:07] <cwayne> or ftl i guess :P
[12:07] <cwayne> wake up and the whole worlds on fire
[12:08] <sil2100> cwayne: ;p
[12:08] <sil2100> Ok, let me wait for pstolowski|lunch to give some input and then we decide
[12:08] <sil2100> I want to know how hard this will be to fix
[12:09] <sil2100> Well, hm, actually, since this happens in stable there's no way to fix it proper I suppose
[12:10] <sil2100> So I'm sure we'll just re-publish it in a few moments
[12:33] <pstolowski> sil2100, i'm working on a fix for first part of the issue (https://bugs.launchpad.net/today-scope/+bug/1446499), should have a fix for vivid today
[12:33] <davmor2> cwayne: I know giving you that petrol can for christmas was a bad idea
[12:33] <davmor2> knew even
[12:34] <pstolowski> sil2100, and there is a slight chance https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scopes-shell/+bug/1446536 is not affecting vivid, but i haven't checked yet
[12:34] <sil2100> pstolowski: I suppose all of those issues require changes on the scopes infra, right?
[12:35] <sil2100> In this case I guess we can re-publish the scope to the store, nothing we can do short term to fix this
[12:35] <pstolowski> sil2100, only unity shell plugin
[13:01] <sil2100> pstolowski: then I think there's no use holding up the today scope
[13:01] <sil2100> pmcgowan: ^ I'll ask popey to re-publish the today scope to the store
[13:03] <pmcgowan> sil2100, I thought there is an issue replacing favorite scopes, or did I miss something
[13:03] <sil2100> pmcgowan: there is an issue, but to fix it we would need to promote an image with a quick-fix which is still in progress, not sure if we want that
[13:03] <pmcgowan> sil2100, we shouldn't put it back until that issue is fixed
[13:04] <sil2100> pmcgowan: indeed
[13:04] <sil2100> pmcgowan: ok, so we agree that we want to re-publish today scope then
[13:04] <sil2100> (it's not even a real update)
[13:04] <pmcgowan> sil2100, I was saying not to republish it
[13:04] <sil2100> Oh?
[13:05] <sil2100> Ah, ok, in this sense you mean
[13:05] <sil2100> hm
[13:05] <pmcgowan> my understanding is folks get an update and it "disappeares"
[13:05] <popey> correct
[13:05] <sil2100> From what I know it can be re-added through the favorites, right?
[13:05] <popey> also correct, after a reboot
[13:05] <sil2100> Ah, after a reboot
[13:05] <pmcgowan> we can talk during rtm call, but I think we keep it back
[13:05] <popey> without a reboot it's just gone, from a user perspective.
[13:07] <sil2100> popey: so it's gone from the list without rebooting? Then indeed it's a bit more serious, I got the wrong impression from what victor was saying then
[13:07] <sil2100> We could re-spin a new image once the fix is ready
[13:08] <ogra_> sil2100, well, se my conversation with victorp above ... there was agreement to hold back all favorite scopes
[13:08] <ogra_> until after next OTA
[13:08] <sil2100> ACK
[13:08] <ogra_> they need to come with custom tarball updates for the moment
[13:08] <sil2100> Yeah, missed this conclusion it seems
[13:09] <pstolowski> sil2100, but the fix needs to target vivid only, correct?
[13:09] <sil2100> pstolowski: I suppose right now that's the plan, next OTA is planned to be vivid-based so no need to do a backport for RTM
[13:10] <rvr> rsalveti: Silo 2 approved
[13:10] <pstolowski> sil2100, great
[13:10] <victorp> sil2100, once it is fixed please let me know
[13:10] <sil2100> I don't think pushing the scopes to the store is enough high-priority for OTA-3.5
[13:10] <sil2100> victorp: ACK
[13:11] <ogra_> sil2100, no, we always have the custom tarball as fallback ...
[13:11] <ogra_> and there it works
[13:11] <sil2100> Indeed
[13:11] <sil2100> Just as before
[13:11] <sil2100> rsalveti: silo 002 is for touch specifically, right?
[13:12] <sil2100> Ok, I suppose so, let me publish then
[13:18] <ogra_> sil2100, mind if i kick a vivid image to check the space the hud frees up ?
[13:18] <sil2100> ogra_: oh, you pushed the hud removal? :)
[13:18] <sil2100> ogra_: sure, go on ahead
[13:18] <ogra_> yeah
[13:18] <ogra_> running
[13:21]  * sil2100 is still a bit detatched from the world
[13:25] <imgbot> [13:27] <ogra_> oh, even a round image number :)
[13:29] <Mirv> thostr_: what's the status of line 13 scopes bg test silo, is it cancelled or do you want a test silo for it?
[13:30] <Mirv> bfiller: what's the status of the syncevolution calendar fix landings, need silos?
[13:30] <thostr_> Mirv: line 13 can be removed
[13:30] <Mirv> thostr_: ok, thanks!
[13:31] <bfiller> Mirv: already in silos, testing now
[13:31] <Mirv> bfiller: oh.. so lines 27 and 33 are old ones for the same thing and can be removed?
[13:32]  * Mirv the cleaner
[13:52] <fginther> Saviq, the phone provisioning script relies on phablet-click-test-setup to install the test sources as directed by the click packages, but this doesn't work for some apps now. I've created an MP to address this: https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/phablet-tools/skip-missing-click-tests/+merge/256931
[13:54] <Saviq> fginther, cool, I wasn't sure whether this was a critical error, it looked dangerous (it removed all the tests it just downloaded?)
[13:54] <fginther> Saviq, yeah, the error would cause the cleanup to be triggered before copying anything to the phone
[13:55] <Saviq> fginther, right, so it only worked for me because I ran unity8 tests, not anything else
[13:55] <Saviq> (I mean running the actual tests)
[13:56] <fginther> Saviq, that makes sense, calculator app is what it currently making it bomb on devel-proposed images. I'll work on getting the patch upstream, but it might not before the release
[13:57] <Saviq> fginther, 'stood
[13:57] <sil2100> boiko: hm, is the request line 58 a critical fix requiring a OTA-3.5? I see the bug is only high
[13:57] <Saviq> OTA-3.5??
[13:57] <sil2100> boiko: was there a client's request to spin an rtm image for that?
[13:57] <boiko> sil2100: so, bfiller asked me to get rtm silos and pmcgowan will evaluate the need for a hotfix
[13:58] <sil2100> boiko: ok then
[13:58] <boiko> sil2100: same thing for the rtm silo 003 I already have
[13:58] <sil2100> Saviq: OTA-3.5, so a hotfix release ;)
[13:58] <Saviq> sil2100, should we think about targeting the scope update bug for this too?
[13:58] <sil2100> boiko: I thought so, but the severity of the bug got me confused
[13:59] <sil2100> Saviq: maybe, although I'm not sure if there are real plans for the hotfix release
[13:59] <Saviq> ok ;)
[13:59] <sil2100> I'll know more after the RTM status meeting later today
[13:59] <Saviq> if there are, we should, if there are none, we shouldn't :)
[13:59] <oSoMoN> rvr, I’ve seen that you’re testing silo 7, thanks! I just added a corresponding manual test to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/webbrowser-app
[14:00] <bfiller> Mirv: silo 27 (ubuntu) and silo 5 (rtm) are the silos we are testing
[14:00] <oSoMoN> rvr, note that most of the functionality is unit-tested already
[14:00] <rvr> oSoMoN: Yeah, I'll begin soon, just had lunch
[14:00] <bfiller> Mirv: for sycnevo
[14:00] <bfiller> Mirv: not sure what the other lines are
[14:00] <rvr> oSoMoN: Ack
[14:01] <Mirv> bfiller: yes, those are lines 54/55, you have also line 27 "Fix for lp:1438662 - Calendar sync not working" for vivid and line 33 for syncing to rtm :) I'll remove those
[14:01] <bfiller> Mirv: ack, thanks
[14:05] <Mirv> sil2100: I've gone through the spreadsheet now again, finding many "already landed" and such, and now hitting the archive button
[14:05] <sil2100> Mirv: thanks for the clean up! :)
[14:14] <dbarth> o/ line 44 for an oxide packages copy
[14:15] <dbarth> as a binary copy please, to minimize the build time and land in time for the image
[14:35] <boiko> sil2100: can you please free vivid silo 004? we are done testing already, I will remove the row from the spreadsheet
[14:36] <boiko> sil2100: actually quick question: can I just remove the row from the spreadsheet, or should I just clear its contents?
[14:36] <sil2100> boiko: hey!
[14:36] <sil2100> boiko: let me take care of that - we need to remove the silo as well :)
[14:36] <boiko> sil2100: ok, thanks, it's silo 004 and row 20
[14:37] <boiko> sil2100: maybe you can reuse that silo for line 45? ;)
[14:37] <sil2100> boiko: ;)
[14:37] <sil2100> boiko: assigning those in a moment, had to finish up a meeting
[14:37] <boiko> sil2100: no hurry, take your time
[14:40] <imgbot> [14:40] <imgbot> [14:40] <sil2100> dbarth: regarding the oxide request - I suppose this is supposed to land to the main vivid archive, right?
[14:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: ^
[14:41] <rsalveti> nice
[14:41] <rsalveti> just hope that removing libdbusmenu-qt5 doesn't break anything
[14:41] <rsalveti> :-)
[14:42] <sil2100> rsalveti: it doesn't have any touch rdeps, so I think we're safe ;)
[14:42] <dbarth> sil2100: hmm, considering the final freeze, i would land in the overlay ppa
[14:42] <ogra_> yeah if it breaks something it needs a dep somewhere
[14:43] <dbarth> sil2100: it will be available in the security updates anyway
[14:43] <rsalveti> but should be good
[14:43] <rsalveti> ogra_: how much did we save with such changes?
[14:43] <ogra_> down to 462M from 486M for the cdimage tarball :)
[14:43] <ogra_> i havent summed up the unpacked size ... but likely around 40-50M
[14:44] <sil2100> dbarth: so it will be released to vivid later after final-freeze then?
[14:45] <dbarth> yes, as an official security update
[14:45] <dbarth> sil2100: chris is copying 1.6.4 there as well anyway
[14:46] <sil2100> Ok then
[14:46] <sil2100> Oh, actually I thought the next security update will have 1.7
[14:47] <pmcgowan> dbarth, sil2100 if it lands in security pocket we pick it up from there
[14:47] <pmcgowan> and wouldnt need it in the ppa
[14:48] <sil2100> Right, that will be after final-freeze though
[14:48] <sil2100> dbarth: do you need to have it ASAP?
[14:49] <sil2100> That's why I didn't assign a silo yet, need to clear out all the doubts
[14:50] <sil2100> We have plenty of free vivid silos, but oxide is very storage exhaustive
[14:51] <pmcgowan> sil2100, we do need it asap yes
[14:51] <pmcgowan> we need it last week :)
[14:51] <sil2100> hah, you don't like the crashing T&C ;) ?
[14:53] <pmcgowan> oh right thats still in there
[14:53] <sil2100> I guess the earlier it's on our images the better, more dogfooding time - although it's faring pretty well on 14.09
[14:57] <cjwatson> storage> I'm tempted to set the size of all ci-train-ppa-service landing-* archives to 20480 across the board
[14:58] <cjwatson> They're a bit of a random mix right now
[14:58] <dbarth> sil2100: yes, please
[14:58] <bfiller> sil2100: mind reconfiguring ubuntu silo 10? I added another project to the list of MR's
[14:59] <cjwatson> There are two in excess of that, but neither is using all that space right now, and I suspect that they're only set that large because of the lack of garbage collection we had a while back
[15:06] <sil2100> bfiller: done
[15:06] <bfiller> sil2100: thanks
[15:13] <pstolowski> sil2100, can i have a silo for row #45?
[15:15] <sil2100> pstolowski: on it :)
[15:15] <pstolowski> awesome, thanks :)
[15:23] <rvr> oSoMoN: Approving silo 7
[15:24] <oSoMoN> rvr, awesome, thanks!
[15:31] <sil2100> dbarth: oxide-qt copied to the oxide silo ;)
[15:32] <sil2100> jibel, robru, davmor2, popey, rvr, ogra_: do you want to discuss anything on the landing meeting today?
[15:32] <jibel> sil2100, no
[15:32] <ogra_> nope, i think the disaster recovery this morning was fine :)
[15:32] <ogra_> nothing to discuss
[15:33] <rvr> sil2100: Is the last episode of Games of Thrones a valid topic? ;)
[15:33] <sil2100> rvr: oh shit
[15:33] <davmor2> sil2100: it's okay you can say you hate us we won't take it personally :P
[15:33] <sil2100> davmor2: ;)
[15:34] <sil2100> davmor2: I'm just a good listener, and robru mentioned multiple times he wants to have time to wake up properly in the mornings
[15:34] <sil2100> ;)
[15:34] <davmor2> sil2100: pfffff
[15:35]  * ogra_ hands dbarth bucket and mop for silo 22
[15:37] <dbarth> oops
[15:37] <ogra_> :)
[15:37] <dbarth> yes, let me check
[16:23] <kalikiana> ping cihelp, the license check in Jenkins is rejecting https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/generatedApDocs/+merge/256913 the files in question are MIT licensed generated files; adding _build to the excluded folders as can be seen in the branch would resolve it, I don't know where that script is maintained, though
[16:27] <oSoMoN> trainguards: silo 7 is landing, and I’m seeing that webbrowser-app is in the proposed pocket. I thought it would go directly into the overlay PPA, what’s up with that?
[16:27] <sil2100> oSoMoN: let me take a look
[16:28] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ouch, ok, someone set the column name but didn't reconfigure
[16:28] <sil2100> Ok, let me reconfigure and re-publish - thanks for noticing!
[16:29] <oSoMoN> sil2100, I did change the destination PPA column after reading slangasek’s announcement, sorry I didn’t know it required a reconfigure
[16:30] <sil2100> oSoMoN: no worries, I should have double checked when publishing, I usually do but it was probably published in a hurry ;p
[16:31] <oSoMoN> sil2100, alright. I guess the package can be easily rejected from proposed so as to not affect the archive, right?
[16:31] <slangasek> sil2100: can you copy the package from -proposed back to the overlay ppa?  then I can delete it from -proposed
[16:32] <sil2100> slangasek: sure thing, on it now
[16:36] <sil2100> slangasek: ok, package copied (should be in the overlay PPA)
[16:37]  * sil2100 switches context back to UITK
[16:37] <slangasek> sil2100, oSoMoN: ok.  In thinking about it, I realize that removing the package means it won't be re-copiable back to w when it opens without a new upload; so I think I'm going to leave the package in -proposed for now, which is valid
[16:38] <sil2100> slangasek: makes sense, indeed
[16:39] <oSoMoN> slangasek, sil2100: thanks
[16:39] <oSoMoN> sil2100, can I merge and clean the silo now?
[16:40] <sil2100> oSoMoN: yes :)
[16:40] <sil2100> Just use the force flag if anything
[16:40] <oSoMoN> ok
[16:48] <robru> sil2100: don't forget the dashboard is authoritative; check for 'stable-phone-overlay' there before clicking publish
[16:50] <sil2100> robru: right'o! Forgot about that, was actually checking in the JSON configs
[16:51] <robru> sil2100: yeah, sorry I should have added that info to the dashboard sooner. Didn't think of it until yesterday morning.
[16:51] <sil2100> robru: I read that you added that, but somehow with all the stuff happening it just jumped out of my head
[16:52] <plars> kalikiana: Looking...
[16:58] <rvr> dbarth: Approving silo 6
[17:00] <sil2100> o/
[17:01] <robru> mardy: dbarth: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-006-2-publish/88/console need some MPs approved
[17:01] <robru> sil2100: good evening!
[17:06] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  I think you need to fix the version of the gles
[17:07] <sil2100> bzoltan_: eek, will do that, maybe some typo
[17:07] <sil2100> In one moment, OTP now
[17:10] <sil2100> Ok, on it now
[17:13] <sil2100> bzoltan_: hmmm, the version looks fine to me, I can see it in the PPA
[17:13] <sil2100> Did I do something wrong?
[17:13] <sil2100> bzoltan_: argh, and I see another problem ;/
[17:15] <sil2100> bzoltan_: why do I see other changes in the PPA's changelog?
[17:15] <sil2100> Isn't trunk = what's in the archive?
[17:16] <sil2100> Ah!
[17:16] <sil2100> Ok, it's all ok
[17:16] <sil2100> It's in the overlay PPA and the diff is made against the archive
[17:16] <sil2100> nvm
[17:24] <sil2100> bzoltan_: could you check the PPA and merge and tell me what I'm doing wrong? I see that CI Train builds the package correctly, so the versionin needs to be ok, but nothing gets uploaded to the PPA
[17:30] <robru> sil2100: ask an archive admin to check why the upload was rejected. I don't see any obvious reason for it (eg, that version doesn't already exist in the ppa as far as I can see...)
[17:31] <sil2100> robru: I poked cjwatson, but maybe I could poke slangasek as well
[17:31] <robru> sure
[17:32] <sil2100> slangasek: hey, you have a moment?
[17:34] <cjwatson> slangasek: I handled sil2100's request on #ubuntu-touch
[17:34] <cjwatson> sil2100: slangasek doesn't have LP log access AFAIK
[17:34] <sil2100> slangasek: ...unping
[17:34] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks :)
[17:34] <sil2100> cjwatson: I think I'll try to fetch the source and re-upload myself with debuild -S -sa to make sure we upload the tarball
[17:34] <cjwatson> sure
[17:34] <sil2100> I have no idea why it didn't include it in the upload
[17:37] <kalikiana> plars: any idea at all?
[17:40] <plars> kalikiana: we were discussing how to handle it, fginther has an MP for it in flight
[17:52] <sil2100> ogra_: btw. smoketesting is busted for 180...
[17:52] <ogra_> sigh
[17:54] <ogra_> sil2100, thats your falt though ...
[17:54] <ogra_> *fault
[17:54] <ogra_> package ubuntu-ui-toolkit, version 1.2.1485+15.04.20150417.1-0ubuntu1 not found in https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/vivid
[17:54] <sil2100> Oh uh!
[17:54] <ogra_> i guess you want to re-roll the immage after that landed :)
[17:54] <ogra_> to have the versions match
[17:55] <sil2100> ogra_: not particulary my fault, more like 'our fault' and pointing at the LT ;p
[17:55] <sil2100> No no, it's because it's in the overlay PPA
[17:55] <ogra_> ah
[17:55] <sil2100> A re-spin won't fix it
[17:55] <ogra_> right
[17:55]  * sil2100 sighs ;)
[17:55] <sil2100> Actually, damn, I might need to change my commitlog generation scripts too ;/
[17:55] <ogra_> robru, will the citrain script take the overlay ppa into acocunt somehow ...
[17:55] <ogra_> (and does it need to ?)
[17:55] <dbarth> robru: on it
[17:56] <ogra_> or do we just assume everything yu need for testin is actually in the image or silo
[17:56] <robru> dbarth: thanks
[17:56] <robru> ogra_: it shouldn't need to, as those packages get rolled into image builds
[17:57] <ogra_> robru, right, but if the image is a day behind and the silo got built against the overlay PPA your silo packages might be uninstallable
[17:57] <ogra_> until the image has the overlay packages available
[17:57] <ogra_> thats surely only a corner case though
[17:57] <robru> ogra_: the silo ppas now depend on the overlay ppa so it should take care of itself shouldn't it?
[17:58] <ogra_> not with the citrain script where we /dev/null all sources.lis entries except the silo
[17:59] <ogra_> the overlay package would not be available ... but the silo has a dep against it
[17:59] <ogra_> as i said, likely just a corner case ... but it could happen
[17:59] <robru> ogra_: i don't really understand how ski dependencies work
[17:59]  * sil2100 really needs to go AFK now
[17:59] <sil2100> o/
[17:59] <sil2100> Be back later
[18:00] <robru> ogra_: "silo dependencies". Anyway if it happens you'll just have to install the overlay ppa and dist upgrade
[18:00] <ogra_> robru, well, the image has foo-123 ... i upload foo-124 to the overlay ppa ... now you push package bar to a silo that depends on foo ... and gets a binary dep via shlibdeps against foo-124 ...
[18:01] <ogra_> bar will be uninstallable in the image unless i enable the overlay ppa or until the foo package hits the image
[18:01] <ogra_> right, if thats our answer that is fine
[18:02] <ogra_> (it might taint your image and the test might be moot though )
[18:03] <robru> ogra_: well, I've seen in some cases already that necessary deps were copied from distro into a silo ppa, specifically because citrain tool doesn't add distro updates on purpose. So if such a case arose, people should just copy the dep from the overlay ppa back to the silo.
[18:04] <ogra_> cool, thats fine then
[18:05] <robru> ogra_: i think it's a rare case. If it happens a lot we can consider changing the tool, but i believe qa specifically requested the tool only install silo contents, and nothing else.
[18:05] <ogra_> yeah
[18:20] <robru> kalikiana: bzoltan_ ping? Need merges approved https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-2-publish/48/console
[18:59] <robru> dbarth: uh, so empathy was in your silo and that got copied into the overlay ppa, was that on purpose? should we delete that?
[19:00] <robru> dbarth: I mean it was in your silo PPA but not in your silo config, seems like a mistake.
[19:01] <robru> Laney: ^ you uploaded this empathy into silo 6 PPA, did you intend for that to wind up in the overlay PPA?
[19:03] <robru> Laney: I guess if you wanted that uploaded to distro you'll have to copy it from the overlay ppa yourself. https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay
[19:50] <bzoltan_> robru:  do you still need my approval? As I see the MRs are landing
[19:51] <robru> bzoltan_: not sure where you see that? the link says "ERROR" and https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/generatedApDocs/+merge/256970 is still unapproved
[19:51] <robru> (I approved one because I could, I don't have permission on the other)
[19:52] <bzoltan_> robru:  ohh.. the main. I approved
[19:52] <bzoltan_> robru:  yes, the gles you could, thanks for that
[19:52] <robru> bzoltan_: great, thanks
[20:09] <dbarth> robru: it does seem like a mistake indeed
[20:10] <dbarth> robru: i wonder why it got pulled in, except that for qa purposes you needed to make sure that empathy was not listed in teh FB/MSN account settings
[20:48] <om26er> plars, Hi!
[20:48] <om26er> plars, the dashboard is showing multiple runs as 'Running' wonder whats causing that ?
[20:51] <plars> om26er: it looks like phablet-click-test-setup blew up quite badly
[20:51] <plars> it seems to be causing us all sorts of grief lately
[20:53] <om26er> plars, can you report bugs for phablet-click-test-setup, I can look into fixing those ?
[20:56] <plars> om26er: fginther has a patch for the one we hit last week, not sure what this one is yet
[20:59] <fginther> om26er, plars, that's an error I had not seen before
[20:59] <plars> fginther: yeah, it seems to have started in the latest image
[21:01] <om26er> plars, can you share the stacktrace ?
[21:02] <plars> om26er: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-touch-mako-smoke-daily/544/console
[21:03] <plars> package ubuntu-ui-toolkit, version 1.2.1485+15.04.20150417.1-0ubuntu1 not found in https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/vivid
[21:03] <plars> ti seems something change in uitk?
[21:04] <om26er> there is a new uitk uploaded today, yes.
[21:17] <robru> plars: om26er: the new one from today is version ...0421, and it's sitting in the UNAPPROVED queue (eg not in the archive at all). shouldn't have anything to do with this ...0417.1 issue you're seeing
[21:21] <robru> indeed, ...0417.1 doesn't exist: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+publishinghistory
[21:23] <plars> robru: om26er: this ought to be simple to reproduce locally by doing a fresh install and running phablet-click-test-setup
[21:23] <robru> plars: fresh install of what? you mean the latest image on a krillin?
[21:24] <plars> robru: yes, or even on mako
[21:25] <robru> plars: is it picking up 0417.1 from a ppa or something?
[21:25] <fginther> plars, robru, om26er, indeed I can reproduce it locally.  The problem appears to be that 1.2.1485+15.04.20150417.1-0ubuntu1 is coming from a PPA and not the archvie
[21:26] <fginther> phablet-click-test-setup does not know how to extract sources from PPAs
[21:26] <robru> heh
[21:26] <plars> robru: right
[21:26] <plars> so I guess this is the overlay ppa because vivid is frozen
[21:26] <robru> oh duh, 0417.1 is in the overlay ppa
[21:26] <robru> plars: yeah
[21:27] <robru> fginther: plars: so I guess p-c-t-s needs to grow awareness of the overlay ppa
[21:27] <plars> om26er: ^
[21:27] <fginther> robru, yep... trying to think of how this might be done
[21:28] <robru> fginther: catch that exception and fallback to downloading the package from the ppa?
[21:32] <fginther> robru, ideally it could just find the PPA from looking at the attached phone
[21:33] <robru> fginther: but the phone doesn't have the ppa enabled; the packages from the ppa are rolled right into the images.
[21:33] <robru> as far as I know
[21:34] <fginther> robru, my mako does indicate that uitk came from a PPA, is this correct?
[21:34] <fginther> $ apt-cache policy qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin
[21:34] <fginther> qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin:
[21:34] <fginther>   Installed: 1.2.1485+15.04.20150417.1-0ubuntu1
[21:34] <fginther>   Candidate: 1.2.1485+15.04.20150417.1-0ubuntu1
[21:34] <fginther>   Version table:
[21:34] <fginther>  *** 1.2.1485+15.04.20150417.1-0ubuntu1 0
[21:34] <fginther>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu/ vivid/main armhf Packages
[21:35] <robru> fginther: oh, ok, great. I wasn't aware that it worked that way. looks right
[21:55] <fginther> robru, plars, I can find the uitk source urls with the follow two queries: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay?ws.op=getPublishedSources&source_name=ubuntu-ui-toolkit&source_package_version=1.2.1485+15.04.20150417.1-0ubuntu1
[21:55] <fginther> then https://api.launchpad.net/devel/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/4955514?ws.op=sourceFileUrls
[21:55] <rvr> boiko: ping
[21:56] <fginther> I'm trying to hack in some changes, but I'll have to jump offline for a few hours soon
[21:56] <rvr> boiko: You sent another silo to ubuntu-rtm
[22:13] <fginther> plars, om26er, robru, this appears to work (it's a huge hack)
[22:13] <fginther> https://code.launchpad.net/~fginther/phablet-tools/skip-missing-click-tests/+merge/256931
[22:13]  * fginther -> away for a while
[22:40] <om26er> plars, can you please deploy that ?
[22:43]  * om26er >> out


[00:04] <DanaG> WTF?
[00:04] <DanaG> Amarok's audio just randomly moved to the wrong audio device.
[04:18] <IdleOne> welcome
[04:18] <n00bie> thanks a lot
[04:18] <IdleOne> now listen
[04:18] <n00bie> "DO NOT RUN HARDY"
[04:18] <n00bie> well is this worst than sid?
[04:18] <IdleOne> leap frogging from dapper to hardy will not work
[04:19] <IdleOne> it will break everything
[04:19] <IdleOne> that is why I suggested doing a fresh install
[04:19] <n00bie> what is newer than drapper and earlier than hardy and at least kinda works?
[04:19] <IdleOne> dapper>edgy>feisty>gutsy>hardy
[04:20] <IdleOne> in that order
[04:20] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: well, not break everything.  but very rocky
[04:20] <Hobbsee> n00bie: gutsy is good.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> n00bie: they all work
[04:20] <IdleOne> but will take you hours to upgrade to each version so might as well do a fresh install if you want to run alpha
[04:20] <Hobbsee> you don't want hardy, if you're new
[04:20] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: he has been in sid for 5 years now :)
[04:21] <IdleOne> so he wants to jump from dapper to hardy
[04:21] <n00bie> so just change from dapper to gutsy in a single step, right? or is there an upgrade procedure_
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ahh
[04:21]  * Hobbsee sighs at people who don't read, nor seem to understand upgrade proceedures
[04:21] <IdleOne> n00bie: the procedure is one version at a time dont skip version
[04:21] <n00bie> not really, i just want something stable but nobody recommended anything, and the only word i hear now is "hardy" and now "not hardy"
[04:21] <Hobbsee> n00bie: it's probably the equivalent of potato to sid.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> n00bie: you heard from teh wrong people.  hardy is not stable
[04:22] <Hobbsee> gutsy is stable.
[04:22] <n00bie> great.
[04:22] <Amaranth> IdleOne: dapper to hardy will be supported
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: not yet, though
[04:22] <n00bie> thanks, i'll follow the upgrade procedure one version at a time
[04:22] <IdleOne> Amaranth: but isnt yet
[04:22] <Amaranth> people have already started testing it and fixing problems
[04:22] <IdleOne> n00bie: good idea :)
[04:22] <Amaranth> it sort of works :P
[04:23] <Amaranth> n00bie: upgrade one version at a time from dapper to gutsy or hardy will take days
[04:23] <Amaranth> faster to make a backup and do a clean install
[04:23] <IdleOne> that is what I been saying
[04:23] <IdleOne> lol
[04:23] <IdleOne> why wont people just listen
[04:25]  * IdleOne is trying to save n00bie from making a mistake and then being put off from Ubuntu. step 1: read topic. Step 2: !backup Step 3: fresh install
[04:26] <n00bie> well i have no meaningfull data, if this doesn't work i'll do the fresh install
[04:26] <IdleOne> your call!
[04:26] <n00bie> and something else, i'm seeing a kernel image update, i hope it's 2.6.22
[04:27] <IdleOne> 2.6.24 is hardy is using IIRC
[04:27] <n00bie> nice
[04:27] <n00bie> but i guess gutsy would be at least 2.6.22 or 23?
[04:28] <IdleOne> I need Ibuprofen got a " Spent way to much money Xmas shopping" headache
[04:28] <Amaranth> gutsy is 2.6.22
[04:29] <IdleOne> odd # are testing right?
[04:29] <kristjan_> ehy,
[04:29] <IdleOne> hey
[04:30] <kristjan_> I love to hit "Enter" accidentally
[04:30] <kristjan_> is it possible to download kubuntu 8.04 with kde4?
[04:31] <IdleOne> kristjan_: dont think so but try asking in #kubuntu
[04:31] <IdleOne> you can build kde4 yourself I believe
[04:31] <kristjan_> IdleOne: isn't this channel also for kubuntu next release?
[04:32] <kristjan_> IdleOne: kubuntu 8.04 is supposed to come on two different cd's right?
[04:32] <IdleOne> kristjan_: I have no idea
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: they've updated that
[04:41] <Hobbsee> kristjan_: not currently
[04:41] <kristjan_> Hobbsee: do you know then? beta1? :-)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> kristjan_: sometime after kde4 is released.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> kristjan_: it'll be announced on kubuntu.org
[04:42]  * Hobbsee is not aware of when it will happen - still needs some bugs solved first
[04:42] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: see http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/
[04:43] <IdleOne> sure thing
[04:44]  * Hobbsee ponders writing an email sometimes on what it all means in laymans terms
[04:44]  * Hobbsee sees the kubuntu-devel mialing list is bikeshedding, again
[04:48] <IdleOne> seems like canonical is slowly cutting back support to versions other the Ubuntu
[04:48] <IdleOne> s/the/then
[04:49] <Hobbsee> it never supported xubuntu anywa
[04:49] <Hobbsee> y
[04:49] <Hobbsee> and adding more versions, you'll note
[04:49] <IdleOne> I dont use kde but I would think it would make more sense to focus on one CD. KDE4 CD
[04:50] <Hobbsee> there are reasons nto to do that
[04:50] <IdleOne> having the devs working on kde3 and kde4 spreads them thin
[04:50] <Hobbsee> who says they'd do much to kde3?
[04:50] <kristjan_> IdleOne: how many kubuntu devs are there anyways?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> not enough
[04:50] <IdleOne> probably more then Ubuntu devs
[04:51] <kristjan_> one, two?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: uh, no
[04:51] <kristjan_> (devs who get paid by canonical)
[04:51] <Hobbsee> one who gets paid by canonical, and the artwork guy, who does it for kubuntu/ubuntu
[04:51] <IdleOne> like I said I dont use kde so I cant wax on the subject
[04:53] <kristjan_> Hobbsee: I could never have guessed that the same person is behind both default looks
[04:55] <Hobbsee> well, kubuntu is a vote
[04:57] <dmb> is firefox 3 beta or final going to be included in hardy?
[04:58] <Amaranth> kristjan_: actually he isn't
[04:58] <Amaranth> kristjan_: He did the Kubuntu stuff then got hired by Canonical to do artwork, afaik
[04:59] <Amaranth> We haven't had an Ubuntu release with him doing artwork yet
[05:33] <jack_> hello
[05:33] <jack_> im interested in the new beta
[05:33] <jack_> anyone trying it out?
[05:34] <DarkMageZ> hardy hit beta?
[05:34] <Ash_Heron> updating to alpha 2 now 19 mins remaining :)
[05:34] <DarkMageZ> i'm not having any critical issues (that are regressions vs gutsy)
[05:37] <jack_> i have gutsy and feisty in a dual boot laptop setup
[05:37] <jack_> just playing around, trying to figure things out
[05:38] <jack_> the x in gutsy didnt want to play well....so I tried ultimate 1.
[05:38] <Ash_Heron> i have gutsy, slackware and xp for games :)
[05:38] <jack_> ultimate 1.5
[05:38] <jack_> sry
[05:38] <jack_> not having much luck with it either, but i do like the preinstalled apps
[05:39] <jack_> which one do you like best ash?
[05:39] <Ash_Heron> gutsy
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> but slackware for speed
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> you?
[05:40] <jack_> im real new to all of it
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> :)
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> have fun :P
[05:40] <jack_> not really informed enough to make an opinion worth a damn
[05:40] <jack_> :)
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> LOL
[05:40] <Ash_Heron> oops caps :)
[05:40] <jack_> i just get sick of orpahned dialog boxes
[05:41] <Ash_Heron> hehe
[05:41] <jack_> gui opps all the time
[05:41] <Ash_Heron> nasty
[05:41] <jack_> and this is with gnome and a centrino laptop
[05:41] <jack_> kinda standard hardware
[05:41] <Ash_Heron> yeah strange same after multiple reinstalls?
[05:41] <Ash_Heron> reformats*
[05:42] <jack_> naw, they are all installed on different partitions
[05:42] <jack_> I got Xp on here too, btw
[05:42] <Ash_Heron> :)
[05:42] <jack_> i think ubuntu with wine can solve all of my computer needs
[05:42] <Ash_Heron> i like xp tweaked to the max with just firewall its not bad but effort to maintain
[05:42] <Ash_Heron> :)
[05:43] <jack_> is there a live cd for the beta build?
[05:43] <jack_> i might try that out too
[05:43] <jack_> os shopping is fun
[05:43] <jack_> :)
[05:43] <Ash_Heron> looks like im gunna boot into hardy heron any minute yeah its a alpha build tho
[05:44] <jack_> alpha, my bad
[05:44] <Ash_Heron> :)
[05:44] <jack_> aplah, so MS final release
[05:44] <Ash_Heron> lol
[05:44] <jack_> been testing their crap for years
[05:45] <Ash_Heron> service pack 4 lol
[05:45] <jack_> lol
[05:45] <Ash_Heron> :P
[05:45] <jack_> "this time we promise its almost right"
[05:45] <Ash_Heron> hehe
[05:45] <jack_> then days later...oops
[05:45] <jack_> we left open ports
[05:45] <jack_> or gave keys to nsa
[05:45] <jack_> our bad
[05:45] <Ash_Heron> lol
[05:45] <jack_> we will fix in sp 5
[05:46] <jack_> i just got sick of all the viruses and bullshit
[05:46] <jack_> too much to handle
[05:46] <IdleOne> jack_: I feel your pain but please watch language :)
[05:46] <jack_> and foss is the honest way to go
[05:46] <jack_> eggshells, indeed
[05:46] <jack_> tiptoe
[05:47] <Ash_Heron> yeah viruses are annoying plus i have antivirus software and its resource hog
[05:47] <Ash_Heron> hate*
[05:47] <jack_> you know I did an win 98 install about a year ago, on a p4 box,...was smoking fast
[05:47] <jack_> couldnt believe it
[05:48] <Ash_Heron> yeah i bet i was going to try that on my p4 have disk somewhere and me lol
[05:48] <Ash_Heron> might have to do it for games better than xp
[05:48] <Ash_Heron> ahh brb sys restart
[05:48] <jack_> for christmas, i installed edubuntu on a p4 for a 4 year old blonde girl
[05:48] <jack_> my niece
[05:49] <jack_> grabbed all the games for it
[05:50] <jack_> i just did a default and set up automatic dhcp on the network
[05:50] <jack_> installed flash for firefox and the basic stuff
[05:50] <jack_> i dont know if its going to hit a network, but its something she can use
[05:50] <jack_> that doesnt have hanna montana on it...:)
[05:57] <compwiz18> hey anyone have fluid rev 7?
[05:59] <PepperPad4> How do I get Hardy to boot into a non-graphical (working) CLI ?
[06:00] <PepperPad4> I am experiencing Hardy video breakage.
[06:00] <cps1966> !wifi
[06:00] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:01] <DarkMageZ> PepperPad4, in grub there should be a second option for the 2.6.24 kernel. fallback or something
[06:01] <PepperPad4> Yes, thanks. I already tried that. It boots into a flickering screen.
[06:02] <PepperPad4> Is there a more failsafe failsafe ?
[06:02] <DarkMageZ> there's a recovery mode on the alternative cd which will allow you to attempt to fix the system
[06:03] <DarkMageZ> tho that failsafe shouldn't have failed if it was xorg breakage
[06:03] <PepperPad4> Oh, thanks! I'll try that. The funny thing is that the Xubuntu bootup splash (with the progress indicator) works fine.
[06:09] <PepperPad4> I am trying the rescue mode on the alternative install cd
[06:15] <PepperPad4> I'm using the Rescue mode now .... Got a bterm shell  open. Now how do I fix the X server configuration ?
[06:15] <cps1966> do i need madwifi to set up atheros ar5006eg
[06:15] <PepperPad4> dpkg-reconfigure and xorgcfg don't work.
[06:17] <cps1966> maybe its not installed completely
[06:17] <cps1966> kde did same thing
[06:18] <cps1966> does it let you login
[06:18] <kristjan_> dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver - not xorgcfg
[06:18] <PepperPad4> yes, that is what I tried. dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver ... bterm does not allow it.
[06:19] <kristjan_> "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ... actually
[06:19] <PepperPad4> oh yeah, thanks.. tried that too.. no dice.
[06:20] <PepperPad4> says "Unknown TErminal Bterm"
[06:20] <PepperPad4> Check the TERM envirnoment variable
[06:20] <cps1966> what happens when it boots on it own
[06:21] <PepperPad4> When it boots on its own, the screen goes into a flickering mode.
[06:21] <PepperPad4> Is there another way to fix the graphics config ?
[06:21] <cps1966> can you get terminal by hitting ctrl alt f1
[06:22] <PepperPad4> When I hit ctrl alt F1 (during bootup) I get another useless flickering screen.
[06:23] <cps1966> then set wasn't successful
[06:24] <cps1966> use the daily build
[06:25] <PepperPad4> I am using HH alpha 2.
[06:26] <PepperPad4> I was hoping that HH a2 could drive my Geode LX display hardware (that mainstreamed into kernel 2.6.24)
[06:26] <cps1966> yeah i know thats why i said to get daily build
[06:26] <PepperPad4> How do I get a daily build ?
[06:26] <cps1966> you want xubuntu
[06:26] <PepperPad4> yeah
[06:28] <cps1966> is that like goubuntu
[06:28] <PepperPad4> I don't know if they are similar.
[06:30] <PepperPad4> How do I get a daily build ?
[06:31] <PepperPad4> Thanks, I found it.
[06:31] <cps1966> well not for xubuntu
[06:31] <PepperPad4> It's OK, regular Ubuntu is fine for now.
[06:34] <cps1966> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[06:34] <PepperPad4> Thank you!
[06:34] <PepperPad4> Does it have a changelog ?
[06:34] <PepperPad4> Should I log a bug ?
[06:34] <cps1966> it has a few things missing but you can get it installed enough to do final install with apt
[06:36] <PepperPad4> Oh, to get apt working, I will need to get the nic working first.
[06:36] <cps1966> what one
[06:37] <PepperPad4> checking the maker
[06:38] <cps1966> i have kubuntu installed on eee pc
[06:38] <PepperPad4> Oh! You are using the eee ?
[06:38] <PepperPad4> Really cool!
[06:38] <PepperPad4> I am using the PepperPad 3
[06:38] <cps1966> except for wireless is not working
[06:39] <PepperPad4> Oh... is it a problem in the driver or the config ?
[06:39] <cps1966> not sure
[06:39] <cps1966> module is loaded nut it cant find debice
[06:40] <cps1966> good thing it has lan also
[06:40] <PepperPad4> Oh, that's good... Glad you got it working.
[06:40] <PepperPad4> My Pepper Pad uses an Atheros chip for Wifi
[06:41] <cps1966> but i need wireless
[06:41] <PepperPad4> Yeah, wireless is a must!
[06:41] <cps1966> yeah so deos this
[06:41] <cps1966> atheros ar5006eg  that one
[06:42] <PepperPad4> I wonder if it's the same as mine
[06:42] <cps1966> lspci and see if yours is same thing
[06:43] <PepperPad4> THanks... lspci says  Atheros AR2413 802.11bg
[06:44] <cps1966> a bit differnent then
[06:44] <PepperPad4> How can I configure it to work ?
[06:45] <cps1966> does it give you networking option at setup
[06:45] <PepperPad4> yeah, but it didn't find my WiFi AP
[06:45] <cps1966> is it on in bios
[06:46] <PepperPad4> Yes. And it worked fine in Feisty Fawn.
[06:46] <cps1966> what about gutsy
[06:47] <PepperPad4> I never got Gutsy to boot graphically, so I couldn't even test it.
[06:47] <cps1966> even final release
[06:47] <PepperPad4> Yes, even the final release. Xorg problems.
[06:48] <cps1966> can you tell it to use vesa at boot setup
[06:50] <PepperPad4> Oh, where is that setting ?
[06:50] <cps1966> well you hit    one of those to get options
[06:51] <PepperPad4> when booting the regular liveCD, right ?
[06:51] <cps1966> f1 f2 or f3
[06:51] <cps1966> use the alternet
[06:53] <PepperPad4> let me boot that one up
[06:54] <PepperPad4> before the install, or after ?
[06:54] <cps1966> before
[06:55] <PepperPad4> There's an option to set the mode
[06:55] <PepperPad4> To set the resolution
[06:55] <PepperPad4> I don't know.. is there a cheat code for vesa ?
[06:55] <cps1966> yes
[06:56] <PepperPad4> Will the resolution (I choose) stick after installation ?
[06:56] <cps1966> should
[06:57] <PepperPad4> So would I be better off trying this with Gutsy or with HH daily build ?
[06:58] <cps1966> heh shouldn't matter
[06:58] <PepperPad4> Ok, I will try HH..
[06:59] <PepperPad4> Maybe I should just install a command-line system and start from there ?
[06:59] <PepperPad4> Then at least I know the graphics won't fail.
[07:00] <PepperPad4> What do you think ?
[07:02] <cps1966> could
[07:02] <cps1966> its not easy though
[07:05] <PepperPad4> HH a2 didn't detect my Atheros AR2413 802.11bg device... That device worked fine in Feisty Fawn.
[07:05] <PepperPad4> Funny.
[07:06] <cps1966> i think eee pc is a better deal
[07:07] <PepperPad4> I agree, the eee is better.
[07:07] <cps1966> lots cheaper too
[07:07] <PepperPad4> I would buy an eee tablet device.
[07:08] <PepperPad4> I like the touch screen feature.
[07:08] <PepperPad4> For drawing.
[07:08] <PepperPad4> I hope ASUS can figure out some way to integrate a touch screen (that is not cursed by fragility)
[07:09] <PepperPad4> eee is superior in almost every other respect.
[07:09] <cps1966> i just cant stand for xandros not having the apps i use daily
[07:10] <PepperPad4> Is that why you moved to Ubuntu ?
[07:10] <cps1966> i had mandriva cooker on it earlier today seemed to work ok
[07:11] <PepperPad4> I sure hope you get further than I have with this Pepper Pad.
[07:11] <cps1966> just testing what it will do
[07:12] <PepperPad4> Are you leaning towards Mandriva or Ubuntu ?
[07:12] <cps1966> should try fedora on it next
[07:13] <PepperPad4> Great idea.
[07:13] <cps1966> going to try stable release though but not sure it will have drivers
[07:14] <PepperPad4> Linux drivers have got to be the biggest nightmare.
[07:14] <cps1966> mandriva 2008 dont because kernel is to old
[07:14] <ubotu> Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008
[07:17] <cps1966> not as bad as xp
[07:17] <cps1966> had that on it half the stuff didn't work
[07:22] <PepperPad4> cps1966:  did you try eeeXubuntu ?
[07:23] <cps1966> no
[07:23] <PepperPad4> http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home
[07:24] <PepperPad4> It's got wireless working.
[07:28] <cps1966> sure wish they would leave off OOo
[07:29] <PepperPad4> haha, yeah ... that would make the ISO smaller, huh?
[07:30] <cps1966> yup dont use it so why install it
[07:30] <cps1966> 200 MB or more
[07:31] <PepperPad4> I think it's possible to make such a derivative... There's a package called Ubuntu construction kit... I think
[07:32] <PepperPad4> Sorry.... it's Ubuntu Customization Kit
[07:33] <PepperPad4> In theory, that would let people make their own Ubuntu customizations.
[07:33] <PepperPad4> I am going to play around with that if I ever get Ubuntu working on my Pepper Pad 3.
[07:34] <cps1966> dsl has that
[07:34] <cps1966> but kernel is to old to find flash drive
[07:35] <PepperPad4> Oh yeah... I love DSL... but its old Kernel!
[07:35] <cps1966> 2 4 35
[07:36] <PepperPad4> Yeah... I am not sure why DSL keeps that old kernel
[07:36] <cps1966> size
[07:36] <cps1966> 2 6 kernels are very big
[07:37] <PepperPad4> What a pity...
[07:37] <PepperPad4> DSL takes up ~16 MB of RAM... How much larger would it be with a 2.6 kernel, I wonder ?
[07:37] <cps1966> 64 or more
[07:38] <PepperPad4> Wow! Really ? I knew Linux was monolithic, but 64MB just screams "BLOAT"
[07:39] <cps1966> well you thing vista is better
[07:40] <PepperPad4> Haha... you are right about that.
[07:40] <cps1966> takes 16 GB for vista and office 2007
[07:41] <PepperPad4> Oh that's just sad.
[07:42] <cps1966> yeah tell me about it
[07:42] <cps1966> take 5 minutes to boot
[07:42] <cps1966> on a 1.5 ghz lappy
[07:44] <PepperPad4> Seagate and Samsung will have to thank Microsoft for selling bigger hard drives, more memory chips.
[07:45] <PepperPad4> Those of us who remember the days of structured programming are especially aware of just how bloated programs have become.
[07:46] <cps1966> all the option suck
[07:47] <PepperPad4> I guess RAM is just too cheap.
[07:50] <cps1966> i dunno why someone would pay for vista problems
[07:51] <PepperPad4> Most people want Microsoft to do everything for them.
[07:52] <cps1966> yeah till it screws up
[07:54] <PepperPad4> Yeah, then they'll question if M$ really was a good choice.
[07:55] <cps1966> i wouldn't trust it with my files anymore have used it since 99
[07:55] <cps1966> have not
[07:56] <PepperPad4> Monopolies can't be trusted... ultimately they will screw up.
[07:57] <cps1966> well they dug their own grave
[07:57] <PepperPad4> We'll see how elastic the demand is for Windows.. .and its office apps.
[07:58] <PepperPad4> M$ is relying on the elasticity of demand.
[07:58] <PepperPad4> Basically, users have to buy a new computer to run Vista.
[07:59] <cps1966> its a shame that lots of then you cant buy without os
[08:00] <PepperPad4> Gates is right. The computer is an extension of the nervous system. People need that nervous system to work as they anticipate, and it's very painful for them to switch.
[08:01] <cps1966> yeah but it reduces stress when you do
[08:01] <cps1966> thats the big killer
[08:02] <PepperPad4> I agree, I would rather understand how my computer works so I can fix it.
[08:02] <PepperPad4> It's similar to cars, I guess.
[08:02] <cps1966> i used to work on them at work but i retired in 2003
[08:03] <PepperPad4> Congratulations, and have a great retirement.
[08:04] <cps1966> i retired early 55 and xp didn't mix
[08:04] <PepperPad4> Great, now you can pursue something new.
[08:04] <cps1966> na just work at home now
[08:05] <PepperPad4> What kind of work are you doing at home?
[08:05] <cps1966> fixing computers
[08:05] <cps1966> installing xp instead of vista
[08:06] <cps1966> hard to get drivers for some of them though
[08:08] <PepperPad4> Installed Hardy Heron as a command-line system... display still doesn't work... can't believe it.
[08:09] <cps1966> is module loaded for video
[08:09] <cps1966> lsmod
[08:09] <PepperPad4> I can't do an lsmod... the screen is flickering.
[08:10] <PepperPad4> I'm going to try to log in and do a dpkg-reconfigure
[08:10] <cps1966> oh crap
[08:11] <PepperPad4> I'm at my wit's end with this.
[08:11] <PepperPad4> Something changed in the way Ubuntu handles video in Gutsy/Hardy.
[08:12] <cps1966> xorg 7.2
[08:12] <PepperPad4> Yeah, Xorg 7.2 ... but it should at least have a failsafe.
[08:12] <PepperPad4> I can't even get a failsafe mode.
[08:13] <PepperPad4> Anyways, good luck to you.
[08:13] <cps1966> yeah you too
[08:14] <PepperPad4> Have fun with that eee!
[08:14] <cps1966> hehe well if worse comes to worse i can put xandors back
[08:15] <PepperPad4> I an optimistic more eee-centric distributions will crop up.
[08:16] <cps1966> just ran out of disk space need to m,ove some stuff
[08:16] <PepperPad4> oh, bummer
[08:17] <cps1966> yeah used up 110 GB home dir
[08:17] <cps1966> lots of movies
[08:18] <PepperPad4> Haha... I got to go
[08:18] <PepperPad4> Have fun with that eee
[08:19] <PepperPad4> Bye
[08:19] <cps1966> i have 1.9 TB of space so it wont be to hard to find a hole to put some in
[08:54] <pwnguin> hey, is it just me or are yahoo! games not working?
[09:02] <pvandewyngaerde> it is just you not working
[09:02] <pvandewyngaerde> (if you are playing)
[09:23] <pwnguin> that was a terrible pun
[09:33] <optx> Hi ! Hardy doesnt find my nvidia do i have to install them by myself ?
[09:38] <pvandewyngaerde> restricted manager
[09:49] <optx> hi pvandewyngaerde sorry that was my first idea but i dont find it
[09:49] <optx> it is under SYSTEM right ?
[10:10] <pvandewyngaerde> or just start   restricted-manager
[10:10] <pvandewyngaerde> im on kubuntu its called restricted-manager-kde here
[10:50] <ubu> hi !
[10:51] <ubu> im from germnay and i have to change everytime i lock in the language to german. how can i save that ?
[10:51] <Tomcat_> ubu: Sounds like a bug.
[10:52] <ubu> should i install some language packs from synaptic ?
[10:53] <ubu> lol sysnaptic says de is installed ..
[10:53] <pvandewyngaerde> language pack de
[10:54] <ubu> language pack de and language pack de base is installed in synaptic.. maby reinstall ?
[10:54] <cps1966> or reconfigure -a
[10:56] <ubu> whats weird too, when i open the 'Language and location' i see nothing at all
[10:57] <cps1966> have you updated sources
[10:59] <cps1966> somethings are missing in alpha 2
[11:05] <cps1966> stupid OOo has to be installed on everything
[11:05] <cps1966> waste of good space
[11:06] <cps1966> watse of time also
[11:10] <Skiessi> http://www.geocities.com/stssppnn/pcsp.html  I want to try this. How do I do it?
[11:14] <cps1966> get a sound card and speakers it simpler
[16:19] <Artimus> Could someone check their Hardy installation and see if /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu exists or is even a symlink?
[16:21] <Pici> Artimus: I dont see it here.  I dont have kde4 installed though, if that makes any difference.
[16:22] <Artimus> No, this is KDE3
[16:22] <Artimus> Fun little bug with a fresh Hardy Alpha 2
[16:22] <Artimus> Kcontrol is empty, all of the little applets are thrown in Lost+Found
[16:23] <Artimus> In the past, it was caused by a missing kde-essential.menu.  I don't even have that in a stock Hardy install.
[16:23] <Pici> Thats not good. Could be a harddrive issue.
[16:23] <Artimus> I kind of doubt it
[16:23] <Artimus> This is vmware, fresh install :P
[16:23] <Artimus> I'm using an OS in development and youi blame my harddrive...
[16:24] <Pici> lost+found is for filesystem issues...
[16:24] <Artimus> No...
[16:24] <Artimus> As in Lost and Found on the KDE menu
[16:24] <Artimus> KDE has apps and doesn't know where to put them in the menu's
[16:24] <Pici> Oh... I thought you meant /lost+found
[16:24] <Artimus> no...
[16:25] <Pici> I dont use KDE, but I like some of the programs it comes it.
[16:27] <Artimus> I'll upload a screenshot, it's kind of funny...
[16:28] <Artimus> http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6883/lostandfoundou3.png
[16:28] <Artimus> "oops"
[16:29] <Pici> oops
[16:30] <Artimus> yeah
[16:30] <Pici> Any bugs filed about it?
[16:30] <Artimus> There's four, but these were back in the Feisty era...
[16:31] <Pici> Hrm.
[16:31] <Artimus> Should I just file a new one and then reference the other ones?
[16:32] <Artimus> Since none of these are marked as being in Hardy, and most were fixed in the old releases...
[16:40] <Artimus> Bug report filed, they can always mark it as a duplicate...
[18:04] <crimsun> 2.6.24-rc6-git2 fixes the b43 mungage, yay.
[18:41] <tilgovi> anyone have kde4 on hardy?
[18:42] <TimS> Will 7.04 will be KDE4 and not LTS?
[18:42] <TimS> 8.04*
[18:43] <Laser87> probably
[18:43] <Pici> Thats the plan right now.
[18:43] <TimS> Hmm
[18:43] <Pici> Yeah, its kind of weird.
[18:44] <TimS> It would be nice if they offered Kubuntu LTS and K4ubuntu
[18:44] <TimS> I started with the last LTS release, and that was the most stable (for me) release
[18:44] <Laser87> I don't think that anybody in this channel needs LTS ^^
[18:45] <TimS> True true :P
[18:45] <TimS> But its not for us :P
[18:46] <tilgovi> Can anyone help me get kde4 running?  I'm getting dependency conflicts with libgif and libungif
[18:46] <Laser87> That's it - LTS has to be stable
[18:46] <TimS> I relise that, and KDE4 wont be
[18:46] <TimS> But its been a while since the last LTS
[18:47] <Pici> Almost 2 years
[18:47] <TimS> How long are they supported for 18 months?
[18:47] <Laser87> I guess, Canonical wants KDE 4 and it would be to much work for 3.5, 4 and perhaps 4.5
[18:48] <Laser87> TimS: 3 years
[18:48] <TimS> Oh cool
[18:48] <Laser87> server 5 years
[18:48] <Pici> !lts
[18:48] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[18:49] <tilgovi> !kde4
[18:49] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[21:04] <iamalsotim> How can I disable EDID detection in X?
[21:49] <pwnguin> hmm. i dont recall setting a blue theme
[22:46] <Cyclonut> Hows the Hardy hangin?
[22:48] <Dr_willis> Lural and Hardy!
[22:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[22:48] <Dr_willis> No Idea really.


[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66183 in firefox (main) "address bar combobox does not work properly" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66183
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81934 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash after freeze of about 1 minute" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81934
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81039 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Crash when entering into a trash folder with many messages" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81039
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80750 in firefox (main) "Firefox suddenly crashed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80750
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81046 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed by clicking play on rythmbox" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81046
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80410 in firefox (main) "firefox-totem-flash crash Yahoo! Music Video Player BETA" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80410
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81067 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes after opening a new URL" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81067
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81068 in firefox (main) "FireFox crashes" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81068
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81069 in firefox (main) "Another crash..." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81069
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81085 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Crash while composing message." [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81085
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79491 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes while playing a video with totem" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79491
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81115 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Thunderbird freezes the computer when sending big messages" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81115
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78857 in firefox (main) "Sudden browser lock when starting a download " [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78857
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80518 in firefox (main) "crash when I'm using Snes9Xexpress too" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80518
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80688 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes for no obvious reason" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80688
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81121 in firefox (main) "firefox often breaks at the time of click on links" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81121
[07:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78590 in firefox (main) "When openning a page in a new window firefox crashes" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78590
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77303 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when Xorg color depth set to 16" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77303
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78079 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when second FF window has bookmarks "Open All in Tabs"" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78079
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78095 in firefox (main) "Random firefox crash" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78095
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78153 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes in Bookmarks Toolbar properties" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78153
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65866 in firefox (main) "when proxy takes time to answer, firefox freezes" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65866
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77951 in firefox (main) "can't restart firefox" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77951
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80332 in firefox (main) "Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> crash on Ubuntu-edgy" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80332
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66493 in firefox (main) "crash trying to log-on to remote data server" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66493
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70538 in firefox (main) "I tried to insert a link in my online Blog editor on twoday.net" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70538
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70772 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes when uploading files via webmin file manager  module" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70772
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71605 in firefox (main) "Firefox Crashed while idling in background" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71605
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71657 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when accessing certain HTTPS site" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71657
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81191 in firefox (main) "Firefox freezes randomly." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81191
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81701 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Crash when trying to undo moving an email" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81701
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #66199 in firefox (main) ""Choose Helper Application" dialogue doesn't offer access to /usr/bin/" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66199
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67334 in firefox (main) "Extremely long URLs don't display properly" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67334
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81144 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed when loading some web pages" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81144
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #50768 in firefox "Strange artifacts in text fields within web applications when moving cursor with keyboard" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50768
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #51554 in firefox (main) "Unicode combining characters don't combine properly." [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51554
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #51643 in firefox (main) "usb mouse lagging and network hang" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/51643
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #52179 in firefox (main) "setTimeout with low delay values don't fire correctly in Dapper Firefox" [Low,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52179
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #53135 in firefox "URLs containing Arabic text display improperly in the statusbar." [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53135
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #58826 in firefox (main) "Firefoxes scrolling on this site is poor" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58826
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81954 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Crash on closing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81954
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81964 in firefox (main) "Firefox segfaults in Feisty with a profile from Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81964
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74561 in firefox (main) "Crash when introducing information after pressing "Return" key" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74561
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81978 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81978
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70498 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when loading the new yahoo mail" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70498
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70060 in firefox (main) "Close without any cause" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70060
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77173 in firefox (main) "Edgy Firefox 2.0: slow, now just crashed" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77173
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81688 in firefox (main) "Evolution and firefox in feisty do not interact properly when choosing "send link" from firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81688
[06:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82005 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in ??()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82005
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71662 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when starting again " [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71662
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77050 in firefox (main) "marque-pages crash au moment de changer le nom" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77050
[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77308 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed when opening a yahoo email." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77308
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71712 in firefox (main) "Random cash when trying to shuitdown FF because it was using too much cpu" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71712
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #75964 in firefox (main) "Crash on Digg.com spell check close" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75964
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77616 in firefox (main) "FF crashed when trying to download from NFL.com" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77616
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77234 in firefox (main) "firefox crushed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77234
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81212 in firefox (main) "crash when using flash plugin" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81212
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81216 in firefox (main) "Crash while visiting worldpress" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81216
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76999 in firefox (main) "firefox 2.0 crash in edgy/6.10" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76999
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77182 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes wen i goo to security area inscripcion to www.last.fm" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77182
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77542 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes after being left running overnight" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77542
[06:37] <AlexLatchford> grrr, my inbox is exploding :(
[06:37] <AlexLatchford> lol howdy
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: I'll clear everything up to today at 5.40 UTC
[06:39] <Admiral_Chicago> so i'm doing that today
[06:39] <AlexLatchford> nice
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71417 in firefox (main) "Crash when click windows live mail" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71417
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #72454 in firefox (main) "firefox crash when clicking and dragging a link" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72454
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: well i'm going to lunch, feel free to just empty your inbox
[06:41] <AlexLatchford> :)
[06:42] <AlexLatchford> got 630 Mozilla Bug related emails
[06:42] <Admiral_Chicago> sounds about right
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71107 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when visiting nytimes.com" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71107
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76543 in firefox (main) "Dapper Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> crash on PPC "Grape" iMac" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76543
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79289 in thunderbird "drag&drop moving of message does not work" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79289
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81360 in firefox (main) "Firfox crashed while I was away from my desktop" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81360
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82010 in firefox (main) "firefox <IP_ADDRESS> crashes 'randomly'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82010
[07:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82012 in firefox (main) "firefox crash <IP_ADDRESS> crashes when switching to diffrent workspace." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82012
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #60843 in firefox (main) "Back/Forward mouseover'ed button have drawing errors" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/60843
[07:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82017 in firefox (main) "chash firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82017
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82022 in firefox (main) "Master Dapper Crash" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82022
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #19636 in firefox (main) "please add the attached patch to better support pymoz" [Wishlist,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/19636
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82039 in firefox (main) "Crash no apparent reason" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82039
[11:31] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/81856
[11:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81856 in mozilla-thunderbird "Addressbooks Synchronizer add-on creates Error: Unknown Protocol Handler (17)" [Low,Unconfirmed]
[11:31] <Admiral_Chicago> should it just be rejuected
[11:31] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i forget we have the bot
[11:32] <gnomefreak> looking
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> ignore my bad spelling, :(  i'm tired.
[11:33] <gnomefreak> give me a minute damn connection is slow
[11:33] <gnomefreak> not to mention its suse
[11:34] <gnomefreak> is the addon in the repos?
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: no
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago> dinner now, i say reject it
[11:35] <gnomefreak> i have dinner now too
[11:35] <gnomefreak> either reject it or ill look at it after dinner
[12:03] <gnomefreak> i took care of it. i just dont have mozilla's bug tracker link to add to it, i screwed up and started downloading suse in suse instead of ubutnu :(
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: can you explain the difference between Fix Release and Fix Commit
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Release means there is a fix, but it may be a newer version for a package correct?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> fix commited == someone is working on the fix
[12:30] <Admiral_Chicago> oh I see, i didn't know commit did that
[12:30] <gnomefreak> release means he is uploading it or has uploaded and waiting for it to hit server
[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> what about this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/74561
[12:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74561 in firefox "Crash when introducing information after pressing "Return" key" [Undecided,Fix released]
[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i marked it as release, not sure if it should be
[12:32] <gnomefreak> did someone build the fix or commit the patch yet?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> ok is it fixed?


[10:05] <nothlit> !seen lassegul
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen lassegul - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:09] <nothlit> LOL who did this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/hardy_idea its great
[10:55] <darkmatter> nothlit panel/panel button rough in. http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2090319021&size=o
[10:55] <darkmatter> opinions?
[10:59] <darkmatter> other than the fact that the grasient of the panel is a bit flat. I'll fix that later
[10:59] <darkmatter> *gradient
[15:11] <lapo> hi
[22:18] <terlmann> pink and teal ? bah, I go on vacation and things CHANGE....
[22:19] <terlmann> Well I am still on vacation, in Dialup country, so I won't be back (really back) for some time.