[00:00] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: Stable release 5.7.2 (19 July 2016; 8 days ago) which is on Wiki.
[00:00] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: This is the basics of what I followed to create a stable KDE/Plasma environment: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/05/install-kde-plasma-5-6-kubuntu-16-04/
[00:04] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: are you saying 5.7.x is not out there yet for auto upgrade?
[00:04] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: I haven't looked - and, as a matter of fact, I'm kinda browsing now...
[00:05] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: thanks
[00:06] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: http://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/install-kde-plasma-5-7-ubuntu-fedora-opensuse-arch-linux/
[00:07] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: I saw that but that install not upgrade isn't this?
[00:07] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: However, that being said, I'm going to sit and wait as things are running quite well for *me* at the moment...therefore, I'm not in a rush, and this is basically a production workstation...so I'm happy with it's current performance... :)
[00:07] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: Read through it - it's an "upgrade" when you look through to the finer points.
[00:08] <R13ose> okay
[00:08] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: It's all a matter of preference and choice.
[00:09] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: "kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version (1.338)"
[00:10] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: Did you comletely read the entire page prior to attempting the upgrade/dist-upgrade?
[00:11] <Ben64> be aware that using 3rd party repositories is not supported
[00:11] <R13ose> Yes
[00:11] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: ^
[00:11] <bernd> wie schaltet man hier die übersetzung ein?
[00:12] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: I re-read and I see what you mean, thanks.
[00:12] <dax> bernd: English here, please. /join #ubuntu-de for German.
[00:12] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: Fair enough...I'd offer to try it, but, as I said, this system is stable right now, and it's early in the day - so any attempt to muck about with stuff that are going to interrupt my operations will have to wait until later this evening...hmm...however, that being said, I'm going to muck with it later...but just not right now...
[00:12] <bernd> danke, ist aber keine antwort auf meine Frage...
[00:12] <R13ose> YankDownUnder: thanks for all the help.
[00:13] <YankDownUnder> R13ose: You're more than welcome. Peace.
[00:15] <zrooLik> hey everyone
[00:15] <zrooLik> i've got a problem in my ubuntu
[00:15] <zrooLik> E:Malformed entry 43 in list file /etc/apt/sources.list (Component), E:The list of sources could not be read.
[00:15] <zrooLik> some know how I can solve this issue ?
[00:16] <YankDownUnder> zrooLik: Have you looked at line 43 in the sources.list ?
[00:16] <zrooLik> I havent
[00:16] <zrooLik> i'm a new user
[00:16] <YankDownUnder> zrooLik: Ah.
[00:16] <Bashing-om> zrooLik: 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list ' and compare line 43 to others and adjust it .
[00:16] <vishera> me neither
[00:16] <zrooLik> sorry  ;/
[00:16] <YankDownUnder> :)
[00:17] <vishera> where am I?
[00:17] <bernd> wie komme ich in ubuntu-de?
[00:17] <Bashing-om> vishera: As per the topic .. this is ubuntu support channel .
[00:17] <forever_> hey h@ck3rs
[00:18] <forever_> whatsup
[00:18] <bazhang> ubuntu support only here forever_
[00:19] <forever_> i knw
[00:19] <YankDownUnder> OMG this is Ubuntu support? And here, all these years, I thought it was an IRC channel for vegetarian recipes...dang...
[00:19] <bazhang> chit chat elsewhere forever_
[00:20] <zrooLik> so Bashin-om
[00:20] <zrooLik> bashing-om
[00:20] <forever_> how can i get to downgrade from backbox 4.3 to 3.3
[00:20] <zrooLik> what should I do exactly ? dont really understand what should I do to solve it
[00:20] <dax> forever_: ask the Backbox folks
[00:21] <bazhang> forever_, ask in a backbox channel its not supported here
[00:21] <dax> ubottu: backbox
[00:21] <YankDownUnder> zrooLik: Line 43 - are you looking at it? Have you compared your "sources.list" with any others?
[00:21] <zrooLik> no I havent
[00:21] <zrooLik> where should i find more of this sources.list ?
[00:22] <YankDownUnder> zrooLik: Tell you what - why don't you use "pastebin" to put up YOUR copy of the "sources.list" and we can have a look-see at it, hmm?
[00:24] <zrooLik> i'm a realy newb ah
[00:24] <forever_> whats the channel number for backbox folks
[00:24] <s_spiff> anyone know how to ensure nvidia driver is used instead of the onboard graphics intel driver? The nvidia-settings shows Nividia in use, but when I use inxi -Fx in the terminal, it shows intel driver loaded
[00:24] <dax> forever_: see ubottu's comment
[00:25] <forever_> gotcha
[00:29] <danemacmillan> I'm in a login loop from unity login. I enter my password, then just start back at the login. I ssh'd in, and my user does not have its encrypted home directory mounted, and it won't mount.
[00:29] <danemacmillan> ANyone experiencing something like this?
[00:32] <yonakaKuramori> I would guess that your shell was set to /bin/login, somehow.
[00:33] <MGray> Hey everyone. Would anyone have any info on booting from linux USB on an HP Spectre? I have been trying with an MBR Rufus created USB, but it's not picking it up for some reason #hp-bios-fail
[00:33] <tomer_> hello. I'm try to follow the answer given here: (http://askubuntu.com/questions/715306/xbacklight-no-outputs-have-backlight-property-no-sys-class-backlight-folder). I get a "failed to create symbolic link '/sys/class/brightness': Operation not permitted" when doing so. Any suggestions?
[00:34] <YankDownUnder> MGray: Have you changed the boot order for BIOS on that machine?
[00:34] <yonakaKuramori> danemacmillan: You'd probably want to set it back to bash using chsh, but I think you'd need a working shell to do that.
[00:35] <MGray> Hey YankDownUnder . Yes - I have disabled secure boot. Can see the USB drive to boot but it ends up just trying to browse the files which is weird! Writing my ISO to a GPT formatted USB drive shortly to see if that works
[00:36] <yonakaKuramori> danemacmillan: Also, you'd need a shell that could open some sort of editor to see if that was the case, by reading /etc/passwd. You could also change your default shell by setting the environment variable $SHELL to the location of a shell.
[00:37] <YankDownUnder> MGray: Ok...disabling secure boot works sometimes - but what I was getting at was "boot priority" - the process by which the machine actually boots - what devices it looks for first...hmm...
[00:37] <danemacmillan> yonakaKuramori: I can SSH into the box as that same user, and I can see the home directory is not mounted properly with its encrypted contents.
[00:39] <yonakaKuramori> danemacmillan: But you can get past the login prompt and get to a shell?
[00:40] <MGray> YankDownUnder: yes - machine currently has windows 10 on it.
[00:40] <MGray> Success - Using RUFUS for windows with a setting of GPT partition table and FAT32 to write the ISO file worked a treat! :-)
[00:40] <tomer_> brb
[00:40] <YankDownUnder> MGray: That is not what I meant, nor what I asked. I wanted to know if you set the boot priority in your BIOS or in the "boot menu" of the BIOS on that machine...so that the USB is the primary device to boot from...
[00:41] <YankDownUnder> MGray: All is good, then...all is good...
[00:41] <yonakaKuramori> danemacmillan: I think you'd just have to run ecryptfs-mount-private, if you're able to get a shell.
[00:44] <yonakaKuramori> danemacmillan: Ah, I reread your statement. I'm not sure in the case of a local login taking you back to the login screen, though I do know that when you ssh in to a system you may have to run ecryptfs-mount-private to mount your home directory.
[00:47] <rangergord> I have 16.04.1 installed in a Virtualbox VM. The performance is quite horrible. First, compiz uses a ridiculously high amount of CPU (eg 1 full core when I click the Ubuntu button to show the main menu). But most importantly, randomly I get huge sustained spikes of IO when I open Firefox, freezing the system until I have to force-shutdown. I'm talking read of multiple megabytes per sec. Here's
[00:47] <rangergord> 30 seconds of iostat monitoring: http://paste.ubuntu.com/21218030/ . All I did was open Firefox and go to google, didn't even do a search. Main culprits: Firefox, compiz, gnome-terminal-server, X. I doesn't happen automatically, it generally takes 15-20 mins of usage. But when this happens once, I can always reproduce it by opening firefox.
[00:48] <rangergord> My questions are: 1) is anyone here using Ubuntu dekstop in a Virtualbox VM without issues?   2) How do I even begin to troubleshoot this?
[00:48] <Ben64> rangergord: i'd suggest not using unity
[00:49] <rangergord> Ben64: haha, i try to give it a shot every LTS, but you're right
[00:50] <DragonAK> Hey guys
[00:50] <DragonAK> Using Ubuntu 8.04 in a 15 years old machine, heeh
[00:52] <bazhang> !8.04
[00:52] <bazhang> time for an upgrade if you want support DragonAK
[00:53] <DragonAK> Heh, surely. I think I'll do an upgrade fest here
[00:53] <rangergord> Ben64: I just installed mate-desktop, but where's the option to use it? Typically login screens have an option to select the session type. Does this mean I didn't install it properly, or did someone make another brilliant design decision?
[00:54] <bazhang> I am using the not yet released 16.10 on a 12 years old computer DragonAK
[00:55] <rangergord> nm, seems like I need ubuntu-mate-desktop, not mate-desktop
[00:56] <DragonAK> Whoah, that's cool, bazhang!
[00:56] <DragonAK> I hope mine can deal with it, heheh
[00:56] <bazhang> DragonAK, so a fresj install of 16.04 LTS should do
[00:57] <DragonAK> I'll surely give it a try!
[00:57] <Bashing-om> DragonAK: And if you are handy and into exporing ... a minimal install of 16.04 .
[00:57] <Bashing-om> !minimal | DragonAK
[00:59] <DragonAK> Thank you so much, everybody. I'm installing it right now~
[00:59] <DMA> Hello. After upgrading my aunt's laptop to Ubuntu 14.04 LibreOffice isn't opening .ppt files with Impress but with Writer despite default action being Open with Impress. However, .xls do open automatically with Calc and .doc with Writer. Any ideas on how to fix that?
[01:00] <bazhang> dma have you asked #libreoffice yet
[01:00] <DMA> bazhang: yep
[01:01] <DMA> I don't know if the base app needs a parameter or something
[01:23] <OerHeks>
[01:25] <vkrishn> hi,
[01:25] <vkrishn> my laptab supports booting from usb, can someone recommend which dvd to download ?
[01:27] <OerHeks> vkrishn, ubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-mate .. many flavors, start the the main ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[01:28] <OerHeks> !download
[01:29] <epstin3> ubuntu mate 16.04
[01:30] <vkrishn> OerHeks, thanks, will it support tablet UI features ?
[01:30] <peppa> just tried peppermint 7, I like it alright. if I could fix this flash issue I am having.
[01:31] <OerHeks> peppa, don't suggest peppermint! it is NOT ubuntu
[01:31] <vkrishn> hw spec - atom Z37xx series (4cores)+2gb ram
[01:31] <OerHeks> vkrishn, try the live mode from the iso
[01:31] <vkrishn> OerHeks, ok
[01:32] <peppa> oh alright...
[01:42] <danemacmillan> yonakaKuramori: I did try that, but it complains about a config error.
[01:45] <Alpha> Hi
[01:45] <Alpha> Anyone using Ubuntu Server 16
[01:45] <Alpha> or know how to configure a new ubuntu server
[01:45] <Alpha> I'm a student am 17 yrs old
[01:46] <Alpha> I'm trying to settup file server using ubuntu
[01:46] <Alpha> Ubuntu server 16
[01:46] <Alpha> Anyone has some ideas ?
[01:46] <Alpha> I've search the web tried some stuff
[01:46] <Alpha> read some books
[01:46] <Alpha> holy cow
[01:47] <Bashing-om> !server
[01:47] <Alpha> is it this quiet ?
[01:47] <wyseguy> setting up a new computer with a radeon hd 6850. I read that they were getting rid of the old drivers and now using amdgpu, but little confused on how to get these new drivers working
[01:47] <tgm4883> !details | Alpha
[01:48] <wyseguy> i have a tripple monitor setup, but only 2 are working, and the screen has a lot of tearing going on, so i figure its a driver issue
[01:48] <tgm4883> I generally don't respond to questions such as "Anyone using Ubuntu Server 16"
[01:48] <Alpha> OK
[01:48] <wyseguy> tgm4883, lol
[01:48] <Alpha> i'll detail my erros in a few minutes
[01:48] <OerHeks> Alpha, good start is #ubuntu-server, and this howto https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu-16-04
[01:49] <Alpha> THanks OerHeks
[01:49] <Alpha> I'll check it out
[01:51] <OerHeks> wyseguy, radeon, 16.04,, the open driver takes only 2 monitors IIRC
[01:52] <wyseguy> OerHeks, okay, how can i get 3 monitors working?
[01:54] <OerHeks> wyseguy, i don't know :-(
[01:56] <wyseguy> OerHeks, that makes no sense, looks like you cant use fglrx anymore, and you have to use the amdgpu driver
[01:56] <wyseguy> OerHeks, do you know if by default its using the amdgpu driver? how can i tell?
[01:58] <OerHeks> newer cards use AMDgpu, the older ones radeon.
[02:00] <wyseguy> OerHeks, okay so since i have a hd 6850, i would use the radeon one right?
[02:02] <OerHeks> wyseguy, not sure, i think it is  a radeondriver card, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver maybe someone else knows this exact
[02:03] <wyseguy> OerHeks, pastebin.com/hYhEJW4f
[02:07] <lotuspsychje> wyseguy: xrandr --auto detecting your 3rd screen?
[02:07] <OerHeks> wyseguy, you can tell what driver is in use, open terminal: lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
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[02:09] <wyseguy> lotuspsychje, pastebin.com/dTQtTTfh
[02:10] <wyseguy> OerHeks, Kernel driver in use: radeon
[02:10] <Karrde> !server is incorrect since 12.04 ("Since 12.04, there is no difference in kernel between Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server since linux-image-server is merged into linux-image-generic.")
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[02:11] <ptah> lol
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[02:11] <wyseguy> gez
[02:11] <ptah> too much hacking
[02:11] <wyseguy> i wonder if anyone is gonna go there now lol
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[02:11] <OerHeks> !ops
[02:12] <wyseguy> !ops
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[02:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sigh
[02:12] <wyseguy> gez
[02:12] <ptah> planet x?
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[02:13] <ptah> planet x?
[02:13] <CoJaBo> Why is that channel still allowed to exist here?
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> wyseguy: try xrandr --auto
[02:13] <wyseguy> k
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[02:14] <wyseguy> lotuspsychje, okay, no output from it
[02:15] <OerHeks> spam guys, it is ##wrongplanet, duhh
[02:20] <lotuspsychje> wyseguy: can this help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/106683/any-really-decent-way-to-get-three-monitors
[02:23] <wyseguy> lotuspsychje, funny, since my dell laptop on the docking station can support 3 :p
[02:23] <nightowl_> hello everyone
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> wyseguy: both machines have same ubuntu?
[02:24] <nightowl_> can I just post my question here?
[02:24] <lotuspsychje> nightowl_: if its ubuntu related, sure
[02:25] <wyseguy> lotuspsychje, YES
[02:25] <wyseguy> whoops
[02:25] <wyseguy> yes
[02:26] <wyseguy> lotuspsychje, i think im just hook up my laptop again
[02:26] <nightowl_> YES :) my laptop has an SD card reader built in and I am just trying to access a brand new micro SD card via an SD card adaptor; the micro sd card is automounted as read-only (using ubuntu 14.04)
[02:27] <wyseguy> nightowl_, sudo fdisk -l
[02:27] <wyseguy> /dev/something...
[02:28] <ptah> rm -r /
[02:28] <ptah> lol
[02:28] <nightowl_> I can see the sd card as FAT32: /dev/mmcblk0p1            8192    31211519    15601664    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[02:28] <wyseguy> ptah, thats not nice
[02:28] <wyseguy> nightowl_, dont run that command ptah put up
[02:28] <ptah> jk
[02:28] <wyseguy> i know lol, but some people may do that
[02:28] <OerHeks> ptah, you could be removed for such jokes
[02:29] <wyseguy> nightowl_, run this: sudo ls -l /dev/mmcblk0p1
[02:29] <ptah> ok
[02:29] <ptah> sorry
[02:29] <wyseguy> ptah, now my tshirt with the command on it in the closet is a much better approach
[02:29] <wyseguy> :p
[02:29] <OerHeks> nightowl_, how big is that sdcard in Gb ?
[02:30] <OerHeks> some cardreaders go up to 32 gb..
[02:30] <nightowl_> wyseguy, --> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 179, 1 Jul 28 02:48 /dev/mmcblk0p1
[02:31] <wyseguy> nightowl_, so that means that root is the owner of that card...
[02:31] <wyseguy> what is your user name on the computer?
[02:31] <ptah> wyseguy, im using a mini dell laptop which i got as a gift alrewady had ubuntu installed
[02:31] <ptah> i have ubuntu 8.04
[02:31] <nightowl_> assume my user name is owl :)
[02:31] <wyseguy> ptah,  nice, i have a del lattitude e7240, it runs awesome, even in its dock with tripple monitors
[02:31] <ptah> i updated firefox but facebook flash doesnt work, but youtube works
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> ptah: 8.04 is eol
[02:32] <ptah> what do i do?
[02:32] <Sebastien> we told you 8.04 is too old
[02:32] <Sebastien> you need to upgrade
[02:32] <wyseguy> nightowl_, okay run this... sudo usermod -G disk --append owl
[02:32] <wyseguy> but change owl to your user name
[02:32] <ptah> ok
[02:33] <adal> hi
[02:33] <ptah> so newer firefox wont fix it? i need newer kernel?
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> ptah: you need a newer ubuntu version
[02:33] <wyseguy> i feel ptah is trolling
[02:33] <wyseguy> :p
[02:34] <nightowl_> wyseguy, done that
[02:34] <ptah> no
[02:34] <wyseguy> nightowl_, now you should be able to write to the card
[02:34] <ptah> im not trolling
[02:34] <ptah> i hadnt used linux for long time and now im back on it
[02:35] <wyseguy> nightowl_, oh run this....
[02:35] <wyseguy> might have to remount the card
[02:35] <wyseguy> nightowl_, sudo mount --options, rw /dev/mmcblk0p1
[02:35] <nightowl_> wyseguy, unfortunately I still get the read-only file system (ex from sudo mc)
[02:35] <wyseguy> whoops
[02:35] <wyseguy> wait
[02:35] <wyseguy> dont run that
[02:35] <wyseguy> let me fix it
[02:36] <wyseguy> nightowl_, sudo mount --options,rw /dev/mmcblk0p1
[02:36] <wyseguy> there run that
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> ptah: you dont make sense, back on linux and you installed a non-supported old version?
[02:36] <wyseguy> or just physically pull the card out and reinsert it nightowl_
[02:37] <ptah> i didnt install old version, it was already there
[02:37] <wyseguy> ptah, upgrade yo
[02:37] <ptah> you didnt read
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> ptah: install a supported version from topic
[02:37] <orlock> ptah: Use it to download a new one to install?
[02:38] <OerHeks> upgrading from 8.04 with grub1 .. that takes a lot of work, do a fresh install of something lightweight like ubuntu-mate or Lubuntu
[02:38] <wyseguy> ptah, ubuntu mate is nice on older hardware
[02:38] <wyseguy> really nice
[02:38] <ptah> the thing is im not sure if this mini laptop which is not that new can handle the new version
[02:38] <nightowl_> wyseguy, mount: block device /dev/mmcblk0p1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[02:39] <wyseguy> ptah, ubuntu mate should run just fine
[02:39] <ptah> its like 2008 or 6
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> ptah: try a liveusb
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> see for yourself
[02:39] <wyseguy> lotuspsychje, you know why nightowl_ is still getting that message?
[02:39] <ptah> oik
[02:39] <OerHeks> ptat don't expect it to be a good youtube machine :-D .. old netbooks are just doorstoppers
[02:40] <ptah> i know it is slow and delays
[02:40] <wyseguy> nm, nightowl_ pull the card out and reinsert it
[02:40] <ptah> but im just here fror fun
[02:40] <nightowl_> wyseguy, did that, no change, restarted the whole system with card inserted, still no change
[02:41] <ptah> youtube works but instagram aned facebioik vidsw dont
[02:41] <nightowl_> wyseguy, I checked the SD card adaptor, it is not locked :)
[02:41] <wyseguy_> that was weird
[02:41] <lotuspsychje> ptah: install a supported version first, then we can help you
[02:41] <wyseguy_> nightowl_, did that work?
[02:42] <ptah> lotuspsychje, once i do that i dont need help lol
[02:42] <ptah> supported then its ok
[02:42] <nightowl_> wyseguy, nope, it did not :(
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> ptah: then your problem is gone and you dont need to talk here anymore for support
[02:43] <ptah> ok
[02:43] <ptah> im here to learn things that i dont know
[02:43] <lotuspsychje> ptah: only if you install a supported version
[02:44] <owen1> i installed flashplugin-installer and restarted chromium. going to chrome://flash/ tells me that flash plugin is not installed. any ideas?
[02:44] <lotuspsychje> owen1: try chromium + pepperflash
[02:45] <nightowl_> wyseguy, however, I could write to the same sd card from a Windows OS :(
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> nightowl_: did you try gparted on your sd yet?
[02:46] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje, yes and it says the disk is in read only mode
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> nightowl_: you cant format from there?
[02:46] <ptah> lotuspsychje, is ubuntu-offtopic a dead channel or active?
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> !ot | ptah
[02:46] <owen1> lotuspsychje: how do i install pepperflash? apt-get? btw, i am on 15.10
[02:47] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje, nope, because gparted does not let me to; the sd card has an exclamation mark with the note "Unable to open /dev/mmcblk0 read-write (Read-only file system).  /dev/mmcblk0 has been opened read-only."
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[02:47] <DalekSec> lotuspsychje: Easier to install adobe-flashplugin from partner, it contains both PPAPI and NPAPI plugins.
[02:48] <ptah> i cant join it says to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:48] <ptah> #ubuntu-offtopic :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[02:49] <OerHeks> ptah, the error you get is clear, register with #freenode
[02:49] <ptah> ok
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> nightowl_: what brand is your sd card? could be RMA broken
[02:50] <ptah> OerHeks, im too lazy now lol
[02:51] <nightowl_> it is a Kingston, 16 GB (however, windows 10 was ok with it, on another machine)
[02:51] <OerHeks> ptat please keep that comments for yourself, this is ubuntu support only
[02:51] <ptah> ok
[02:52] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje, it is a Kingston, 16 GB (however, windows 10 was ok with it, on another machine)
[02:53] <wyseguy_> nightowl_, sorry had a call come in, so where are you now?
[02:53] <wyseguy_> you tried to unplug the stick and reinserted it?
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> nightowl_: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[02:54] <swift110-phone> hey
[02:54] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje, 14.04
[02:55] <nightowl_> wyseguy, I'm still here, can read the sd card, but not write to it; tried gparted as well, it says "Unable to open /dev/mmcblk0 read-write (Read-only file system).  /dev/mmcblk0 has been opened read-only."
 I need it for a project but 16.04 has 5.5.1 installed
[03:00] <Optiprism> Any ideas how I would get the old version?
[03:00] <nightowl_> wyseguy, still, I don't get it, a brand new sd card and it only mounts as read-only? :(
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> Optiprism: its not recommended to mix package versions
[03:02] <House> am i just misremembering, but didn't `tcpdump` used to always show local host on the left, remote host on right, and in/out traffic direction with >/< ??
[03:02] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje, would you have any other suggestions please? :)
[03:03] <lotuspsychje> nightowl_: could try testing another ubuntu/kernel version as a test perhaps
[03:03] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje, u mean an older one would be ok too?
[03:04] <Optiprism> louspsychje yes but I do need it to compile something
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> nightowl_: wich one are you on right now?
[03:04] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje, 14.04
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> nightowl_: perhaps try 16.04 as test?
[03:05] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje, I see, I will do that then and get back here later
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> nightowl_: perhaps also start a !bug for your issue?
[03:05] <OerHeks> Optiprism, install 12.04 if you *need* to compile something that is EOL http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/qt4-dev-tools
[03:06] <Optiprism> 12.04 ? Doesn't 14.04 also have qt4 ?
[03:06] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje, ok, I might do that as well, once it clarifies as a bug :) (if I am able to write to the card from other linuxes or ubuntu versions)
[03:06] <nightowl_> lotuspsychje & wyseguy, many thanks for assistance
[03:08] <Optiprism> Hm, is there a way to run different packages in the same ubuntu?
[03:08] <Optiprism> What about docker?
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | Optiprism at your own risk
[03:09] <Optiprism> hm interesting
[03:09] <lotuspsychje> Optiprism: the more clean way would be using qt version from your current ubuntu version, if you have an issue !bug it
[03:33] <robotbeta> Hey?
[03:37] <rypervenche> Hi there.
[03:37] <darlan> hello
[03:40] <rosgani> hello darlan
[03:47] <KViusol> Hi
[03:47] <rosgani> KViusol hi
[03:47] <KViusol> Anybody reading this?
[03:47] <KViusol> Oh lord hello
[03:47] <KViusol> Ok so
[03:47] <rosgani> KViusol yup
[03:48] <KViusol> How in the heck do I install Ubuntu on a USB flashdrive
[03:48] <KViusol> I'm just stuck on installation type menu
[03:48] <rosgani> what kind apps u r using?
[03:48] <KViusol> What do you mean?
[03:48] <KViusol> I was at the dev/sdb list
[03:49] <rosgani> there is apps to load the iso into USB
[03:49] <KViusol> I don't know which one to pick, one says it's windows 10 boot
[03:49] <KViusol> I used Rufus,
[03:49] <KViusol> I'm typing this from the Try Ubuntu thing, I think.
[03:49] <rosgani> Ok, you can trying Universal USB Instaler
[03:50] <rosgani> download from here http://www.pendrivelinux.com/downloads/Universal-USB-Installer/Universal-USB-Installer-<IP_ADDRESS>.exe
[03:50] <KViusol> I'll look it up.
[03:51] <KViusol> I already have Ubuntu on the flash, I just don't know what sdb to pick
[03:51] <KViusol> I think there were 4, dev/sdb, dev/sdb1 (win10 boot?), dev/sdb2 and dev/sdb3
[03:51] <rosgani> running from WIndows 10
[03:51] <KViusol> Yes
[03:59] <kiwiman> how do i use this website ? its for ubuntu
[03:59] <kiwiman> https://goo.gl/dOx9Mr
[04:03] <Kyoku> anyone know an ubuntu desktop app that will play youtube videos without the browser?
[04:04] <datahead8888> I'm installing a large number of updates for Ubuntu that I put off.  For the one about the grub file, I had changed the file, so I had told it to show a side by side comparison, which never showed.  Now it just skipped the file completely.  What is the best advisable action to take now?
[04:04] <rypervenche> Kyoku: mpv, VLC might these days. Not sure.
[04:04] <rypervenche> datahead8888: Why did you manually edit your grub.cfg?
[04:05] <rypervenche> datahead8888: Or was this for /etc/default/grub?
[04:05] <datahead8888> I had changed it to boot initially without the desktop when I was trying to run a program that used tons of RAM a while back
[04:05] <datahead8888> I'd like to revert this anyways, though I will need to make sure I pull the correct file for my updates
[04:05] <datahead8888> I do, however, have dual boot set up so that I can boot between Windows and Ubuntu
[04:06] <kiwiman> i want to upload a file in here https://goo.gl/dOx9Mr .. but dont know how.. can somone tell me
[04:08] <rypervenche> kiwiman: That is not Ubuntu-related.
[04:08] <datahead8888> rypervenche, I think it was /etc/default/grub because it shows it was modified the summer of 2015 when I did some work with that program
[04:08] <rypervenche> datahead8888: Which file did you update and which was overwritten?
[04:08] <datahead8888> Though I can't remember what I changed anymore
[04:08] <rypervenche> datahead8888: So you're trying to find a backup of it?
[04:09] <datahead8888> I think it skipped this file when I told it to view a comparison during the Ubuntu updates
[04:09] <kiwiman> rypervenche:  yes it is for ubuntu..... i have a file tobe uploaded and this guy told me to use this https://goo.gl/dOx9Mr
[04:10] <datahead8888> Yeah, I think I set: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" in the file
[04:10] <swift110-phone> lol datahead is here
[04:10] <rypervenche> datahead8888: Ah, yeah, something like that will do it.
[04:11] <kiwiman> how do i hibernate my ubuntu machine
[04:11] <datahead8888> Oh, hello, sw
[04:11] <datahead8888> *** swift110-phone
[04:11] <datahead8888> rypervenche, was is the best way to make sure I have an update to date version for the updates I just pulled?
[04:12] <haruki> so... is there any way to use terminal remotely from android?
[04:12] <datahead8888> I'm fine with reverting my own changes to the file, as long as I don't lose my dual boot menu for Windows/Ubuntu at all
[04:12] <rypervenche> haruki: Sure.   It then told me there was a change needed to the grub file but that I had other changes to it.   I think one can't directly go from 14.04 to 16.04, you have to do one major release ver to another in sequence, right?
[04:24] <WhiteNight> !ltsupgrade
[04:24] <Mojtaba> Bashing-om: Now is Jul 28
[04:24] <R3D2E> anyone good with vsftpd
[04:25] <WhiteNight> R3D2E, put your question, if anyone knows and/or is available, you will hear from them
[04:25] <Bashing-om> Mojtaba: I have seen no indication to this time that the release upgrade path has been enabled .
[04:25] <R3D2E> ok cool thanks
[04:26] <R3D2E> how do i ssh in vsftp?
[04:26] <CaffeineAddict> using ChrootDirectory %h in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... how do i give a user access to files outside of this chroot
[04:26] <WhiteNight> R3D2E, vsftp is for FTP protocol (file transfers using port 21 and 20 (data)
[04:26] <WhiteNight> SSH (port 22) is for secure login and secure file transfer
[04:26] <WhiteNight> both are different things, whats your requirement/
[04:26] <WhiteNight> ?
[04:28] <R3D2E> i have it setup on an old computer im trying to access it from my laptop it wont let me
[04:28] <Bashing-om> WhiteNight: No .. see ' cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades '.. with the 1st point release LTS-LTS is enabled .
[04:29] <WhiteNight> you need to use an FTP client (use the ftp command line) or a FTP client on Windows such as FileZilla
[04:29] <WhiteNight> Bashing-om, thanks
[04:29] <R3D2E> im trying to use via CLI
[04:30] <Bashing-om> WhiteNight: :) .. We are all on this learning curve .
[04:30] <WhiteNight> Bashing-om, yeah with Unix, it's just like that :)
[04:31] <WhiteNight> R3D2E, can you share a screenshot? use pastebin or imgur
[04:31] <tatertots> this availability of a 14.04 > 16.04 upgrade, will it be available on 14.10 also?
[04:32] <WhiteNight> Bashing-om, I am sure diff people have diff styles and choices, I personally keep /data separate and re-install the entire OS, packages and maintain a script to do my custom configs. Its faster, bug free and more efficient for me (just a personal choice though)
[04:35] <Bashing-om> WhiteNight: 3 separate backups of my personal data .. and a change log of all changes I have made .
[04:36] <WhiteNight> Bashing-om, likewise ;-)
[04:36] <rypervenche> R3D2E: Do you have a specific need to be using FTP and not SFTP?
[04:36] <WhiteNight> I am a bit more paranoid actually, I sync everything once a month to a last resort  hard drive and keep it in the locker of the bank! lol
[04:37] <WhiteNight> (LUKS encrypted of course)
[04:37] <WhiteNight> rypervenche, R3D2E Correct. The first and most basic service that would run on any Linux machine is SSH, so why not use it via a Windows client like WinSCP :)
[04:38] <WhiteNight> tx rypervenche
[04:41] <rypervenche> WhiteNight: What cipher do you use on it? :P
[04:43] <R3D2E> i wanted to get more familiar with doing it via CL
[04:46] <WhiteNight> rypervenche, ssshhhhhhhhh
[04:47] <rypervenche> R3D2E: Then you can use sftp instead of ftp. You don't need to do anything, just make sure that SSH works on the machine.
[04:47] <R3D2E> ok cool thanks
[04:49] <IamTheBoss> any1 there?
[04:53] <rosgani> hi IamTheBoss :)
[04:54] <rosgani> hi IamTheBoss whats'up :)
[04:54] <IamTheBoss> nm man
[04:54] <IamTheBoss> u tell
[04:54] <OerHeks> network, the sun ..
[05:00] <elky> IamTheBoss: do you have a question for the tech support channel?
[05:01] <IamTheBoss> yes i have
[05:01] <IamTheBoss> in NetworkManager it shows unwanted things like device not managed
[05:02] <IamTheBoss> any fix for this?
[05:04] <ubuntu588>   limbo@limbo:~/tools$ glxinfo name of display: :0 X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  154 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  24 (X_GLXCreateNewContext)   Value in failed request:  0x0   Serial number of failed request:  71   Current serial number in output stream:  72
[05:04] <ubuntu588> hi
[05:04] <ubuntu588> sorry
[05:04] <ubuntu588> I see the following error when running glxinfo
[05:04] <ubuntu588> e of display: :0 X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  154 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  24 (X_GLXCreateNewContext)   Value in failed request:  0x0   Serial number of failed request:  71   Current serial number in output stream:  72
[05:05] <ubuntu588> it used to work...not sure what happened
[05:05] <ubuntu588> can someone help me with this
[05:07] <IamTheBoss> elky?
[05:08] <elky> IamTheBoss: wired?
[05:08] <IamTheBoss> i use wifi
[05:08] <IamTheBoss> i face same problem in lan also
[05:09] <elky> the device you're talking about, that NM says is not managed, is it wired?
[05:09] <IamTheBoss> yes it is wired
[05:09] <IamTheBoss> Ethernet Network()
[05:09] <IamTheBoss> device not managed
[05:10] <elky> IamTheBoss: i believe wired devices don't get managed by network manager by default because it's not necessary in the majority of cases.
[05:10] <IamTheBoss> yes that is fine but why it is showing that message
[05:11] <IamTheBoss> i have ubuntu 14.04 also it doesnt show this type of message whereas it shows in 16.04
[05:12] <elky> IamTheBoss: so that you know it's not, i assume
[05:13] <IamTheBoss> so its expected behaviour in 16.04?
[05:14] <elky> IamTheBoss: i don't know enough to answer that, but it seems to have been expected behaviour for a while, judging by http://askubuntu.com/a/71205
[05:14] <guineess-book> hi all
[05:14] <IamTheBoss> ok.
[05:14] <ubuntu588> can someone help me fix this issue
[05:15] <guineess-book> anyone interested in WORLD GUINESS BOOK WORLD GAMER RECORD ?
[05:15] <guineess-book> COME TO ##WORLDGAMER
[05:15] <ubuntu588> glxinfo is throwing error
[05:15] <guineess-book> LET'S VOTE FOR GAME THAT CAN BE RUN ON LINUX TOO
[05:15] <guineess-book> WITH CURRENT WINE
[05:15] <OerHeks> guineess-book, please don't spam
[05:15] <Sebastien> please stop SCREAMING
[05:15] <IamTheBoss> elky, I have 1 more question
[05:15] <toast_> NO
[05:16] <elky> IamTheBoss: what is the question?
[05:16] <ubuntu588> glxinfo
[05:16] <Guest34881> lol wut is this
[05:16] <ubuntu588> is throwing error
[05:16] <ubuntu588> e of display: :0 X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  154 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  24 (X_GLXCreateNewContext)   Value in failed request:  0x0   Serial number of failed request:  71   Current serial number in output stream:  72
[05:16] <OerHeks> IamTheBoss, logically without networkcable, the adapter is not managed.
[05:16] <IamTheBoss> in 14.04 text file content is rendered as its icon but its not in 16.04
[05:16] <IamTheBoss> how to render it like 14.04
[05:17] <elky> IamTheBoss: i believe that askubuntu link i gave you answers that?
[05:17] <ubuntu588> elky
[05:17] <elky> IamTheBoss: it might be a bit out of date
[05:17] <guineess-book> hey guys
[05:17] <ubuntu588> can you help me fix this issue
[05:17] <guineess-book> what wine version of ubuntu right now
[05:17] <ubuntu588> e of display: :0 X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)   Major opcode of failed request:  154 (GLX)   Minor opcode of failed request:  24 (X_GLXCreateNewContext)   Value in failed request:  0x0   Serial number of failed request:  71   Current serial number in output stream:  72
[05:17] <elky> ubuntu588: i don't know or i would have answered.
[05:17] <IamTheBoss> can we do that in 16.04
[05:18] <IamTheBoss> ?
[05:18] <ubuntu588> ok
[05:18] <OerHeks> !info wine
[05:18] <OerHeks> good 'ol 1.6
[05:18] <guineess-book> aha
[05:18] <guineess-book> that's good
[05:18] <guineess-book> but not much mmorpg
[05:18] <guineess-book> that can be playing
[05:19] <guineess-book> let me check the latest source code that can be run
[05:19] <guineess-book> what do you guys love the most
[05:19] <guineess-book> linux is boring without game
[05:19] <guineess-book> is bullshit
[05:19] <orlock> Plenty of games under Linux
[05:20] <guineess-book> just visit us , guiness book world of record gamer edition at ##worldgamer
[05:20] <guineess-book> actually
[05:20] <guineess-book> we have a plant to make aion
[05:21] <swift110-phone> i see
[05:21] <guineess-book> as the world gamer contest
[05:21] <guineess-book> but linux user can't play it
[05:21] <elky> ubuntu588: i searched your error message on google, is it possible you have a manually installed graphics driver for a nvidia card?
[05:21] <guineess-book> there is alot of game like eden eternal that can be run
[05:21] <guineess-book> so don't forget to join US
[05:21] <OerHeks> guineess-book, make it work on linux, and don't spam, again.
[05:23] <swift110-phone> lol
[05:28] <amazingalex224> ckg usp
[05:28] <amazingalex224> n
[05:28] <amazingalex224> my sp
[05:28] <amazingalex224> myp enis
[05:28] <amazingalex224> dick
[05:28] <amazingalex224> whore
[05:34] <shafox> Some of the service in my ubuntu box gets stop abruptly. Anywhere I can look for the info when it has stopped and what made it stopped??
[05:36] <tigefa> shafox: sudo systemctl status myservice
[05:36] <ubntuus> am using ubuntu 16.04.1, just today i noticed that it is showing some folders in Home which it didn't use to before
[05:36] <ubntuus> even some folders relating to old installations
[05:37] <ubntuus> like games and applications,
[05:37] <ubntuus> has something changed with ubuntu?
[05:37] <shafox> tigefa: has it been changed from systemctl to sysctl ?
[05:38] <Grimsf> ubntuus: they start with a '.' ?
[05:38] <ubntuus> yes
[05:38] <dax> shafox: no, they're different commands
[05:39] <shafox> dax as it says sudo: systemctl: command not found
[05:39] <Grimsf> ubntuus: those are hidden files/folders that usualy don't show, if you're in a GUI file explorer try Ctrl+H to not show them
[05:39] <dax> shafox: which version of Ubuntu?
[05:39] <shafox> dax: 14.04
[05:39] <ubntuus> Grimsf: that worked :)
[05:40] <dax> shafox: uses upstart, not systemd, so no systemctl. you'll need advice from someone who knows about upstart (i don't)
[05:40] <ubntuus> Grimsf: just a query, if i "purge temporary files" from settings why don't they delete those old/obsolete files?
[05:40] <shafox> dax sysctl is from the new version or the old ones ?
[05:40] <ubntuus> like old installations and things that are no longer in use
[05:40] <dax> shafox: sysctl is completely unrelated
[05:41] <Grimsf> ubntuus: because those anre't 'temporary', temporary files usualy go to the /tmp where they automatically get removed on reboot
[05:41] <ubntuus> ok,understood
[05:41] <shafox> dax ah ok.
[05:42] <Grimsf> ubntuus: the 'hidden' files/folders contain settings and preferences
[05:43] <ubntuus> Grimsf: so would it be ok for me to delete some obsolete files? like few games and apps data which were already uninstalled during earlier ubuntu versions?
[05:44] <sponix> Anyone else having Transmission CPU/Mem race when trying to create a new torrent from a Source Directory ?
[05:45] <OerHeks> sponix, if it does not make your system not responsible, it is fine
[05:46] <Grimsf> ubntuus: sure, these files are recreated (if missing) by the application when you run it, at worst you will loose your settings for the specific apps, but nothing critical unless there are some secret/private/public keys (ie .gpg / .ssh / etc...) you haven't backed up
[05:46] <OerHeks> it should soon drop to low levels
[05:46] <ubntuus> Grimsf: ok,thanks :)
[05:46] <pagios> anyone using i3 wm?
[05:46] <shafox> dax: so if i follow what upstart has to say then i would probably find what i am looking for ?
[05:46] <sponix> OerHeks: It does, when it runs through all 32G of Ram..
[05:48] <Grimsf> ubntuus: for those you know you don't need, you can just delete them, those you don't better make backups before, you never know ;)
[05:49] <dalto> ubntuus: only just starting reading back a bit but thought I'd mention Synaptic Package Manager will also clean a lot of leftovers for you - I don't currently have junk but I believe the option is Not installed (removeable) within the Status option - remove them
[05:50] <dalto> (maybe not directly related to other advice you are getting .. but...)
[05:50] <mike-zal> can someone help me with bumblebee? cannot get it run, although I tried all solutions and fixes. bumblbee conf seems to be correct but I still get: primus: fatal: Bumblebee daemon reported: error: [XORG] (EE)
[05:50] <OerHeks> mike-zal, weren't you here before with the same question ?
[05:50] <OerHeks> mike-zal, bumblebeee is old, prime is current
[05:51] <mike-zal> yes, never solved it. and bumblebee should work on 16.04 from what I saw on the net
[05:51] <ubntuus> Grimsf: yeah,right.. would only delete things that I know of,  would leave everything else as it is  :)
[05:51] <mike-zal> there is even bumblebee 4 version coming
[05:51] <ubntuus> dalto: thanks for the tip
[05:51] <dalto> my pleasure
[05:51] <mike-zal> although some may think it's depracated but there is no official info about it and there are sites telling how to install bumblebee on 16.04
[05:52] <OerHeks> mike-zal, yeah, no, ubuntu uses prime
[05:53] <mike-zal> OerHeks, prime seems to be more primitive then bumblebee at the moment. bumblebee can run any program with nvidia, prime just uses nvidia for the whole destop witch makes it less effective and power consuming
[05:53] <ubntuus> Grimsf: ctrl+h is working temporarily for me .. whenever i close and reopen file-manager again they are all visible again
[05:55] <Grimsf> ubntuus: hum, try going into the file manager's settings see if there is a 'show hidden' box that's ticked somewhere and untick, strange that it defaults to that
[05:55] <mike-zal> OerHeks, there are also some tutorials how to run primus and bumblebee at the same time in 16.04 (not a stable solution thou) so basically there is no reason why bumblebee couldn't work in latest ubuntu
[05:56] <mike-zal> at least I never found any official info that it doesn't. just one commentary in one site that it's deprecated, but others still claim to make it work.
[05:56] <OerHeks> mike-zal, so use that ( unknown and probably unofficial) tutorial ?
[05:57] <mike-zal> I don't want to run bot. I still try to use bumblebee first and only when I will be at the end, will try primus. but I still hope that I can fix this bumblebee somehow.
[05:57] <OerHeks> i cannot get it to work <> it works better , makes no sense
[05:57] <mike-zal> that is why I'm looking for somone who is familiar in that matter
[05:58] <mike-zal> also, I'm not sure about nvidia versions. I tried once to install newer one instead 304 and got into login loop in lightdm
[05:58] <ubntuus> Grimsf: thanks again, that worked :)
[05:58] <mike-zal> but probably that was my fault because I didn't purged 304 before installing 364 ;P
[05:59] <Grimsf> ubntuus: glad I could help.
[06:00] <mike-zal> been trying to find info about different nvidia driver versions and... there are some answers but they make no sense for me. bunch of technical works but no clear answer: can I run any nvidia version or just only specific one for my nvidia car?
[06:00] <mike-zal> card*
[06:00] <OerHeks> mike-zal, remove that ubuntu-driver ppa and try again?
[06:01] <ubntuus> what does "toggle maximization state" do?
[06:01] <mike-zal> OerHeks, as to this tutorial, I saw it on askubuntu and some other site. but things it recomends are too deeply diging into system, it's a complex process and one small mistake and system won't be bootable so I don't intend to use that (I mean tutrial with bumblebee and primus)
[06:02] <mike-zal> however steps to install bumblebee and primus are normal, as on every site I've seen.
[06:03] <Grimsf> ubntuus: a bit more context with your question would be great, but I'm gessing it's to do with the window manager and how the window maximizes (ie. takes all available screen space)
[06:03] <mike-zal> OerHeks, I never added any ppa for nvidia. system installed it automatically. I just used general command to install bumblebee and it seemed to be in repos already. and it pulled 304 nvidia, but that's normal from what I saw. ubuntu always does that when used automatic choice..
[06:04] <mike-zal> OerHeks, I just used: sudo apt-get install bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia primus linux-headers-generic
[06:04] <ubntuus> Grimsf: I saw "toggle maximization state" under keyboard shortcuts.  alt+ctrl+f5 . was just wondering what it does . so when i tried this i got a no gui screen
[06:04] <mike-zal> and then edited /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf for matching with nvidia-304
[06:05] <OerHeks> mike-zal, i have no clue what tutorial you talk about, nor seen it on 'every site'. we don't support unofficial guides.
[06:05] <mike-zal> OerHeks, you just asked, I answered. I don't intend to use it so let's forget about this questionable tutorial.
[06:06] <OerHeks> and btw, the one in 16.04 is 361, 364 is in the driver ppa
[06:06] <OerHeks> no, i didn't ask about it, you push it.
[06:08] <Grimsf> ubntuus: strange they call it like that. but you got you're answer then, from memory ctrl+alt+f7 should get you back to gui [...]+F1 tp +F6 should be text terminals.
[06:08] <mike-zal> in previous system installation I also installed bublebee like shown above and then added ppa for the newest nvidia and installed it which resulted in login loop. that's old news. system is reinstalled freshly. installed bumblebee again in classical way and still it doesn't work and I'm not so quick to install any nvidia driver manually, although I suspect what was my failing last time.
[06:10] <ConsoleFx> peeps, I just installed nvidia drivers on my ubuntu box (used additional drivers window) and it got installed successfully. But even after successful reboot I dont see the resolution/visual experience changes. Can anyone please help me what might be wrong here?
[06:11] <cfhowlett> ConsoleFx, in my case, I must switch manually from intel to nvidia to see the improvements
[06:11] <cfhowlett> see your system settings for the "Nvidia" command console
[06:11] <mike-zal> OerHeks, anyway, will keep asking for bumblebee help for some time and maybe someone will know more about it. if I loose my patience I will switch to prime.
[06:11] <guineess-book> hi linuxer , THE REPO OF GUINESS BOOK WORLD OF RECORD HAS BEEN OPEN AT ##WORLDGAMER ... . VISIT US AND VOTE
[06:11] <guineess-book> TEST WITH YOU'R WINE
[06:12] <cfhowlett> guineess-book, stop spamming this channel.
[06:12] <ubntuus> Grimsf: yes, also alt+f7 gets it back.. alt+ctrl+f2 also does take it to non-ui mode, the only difference i noticed was it ended with "tty2" while alt+ctrl+f5 ended with "tty5"
[06:12] <ubntuus> not that it matters a lot perhaps but was just trying out :)
[06:13] <ConsoleFx> cfhowlett, could u please help me out on how to enable that manually?
[06:13] <cfhowlett> see your system settings for the nvidia command console
[06:14] <Grimsf> ubntuus: that's the expected behaviour, it's usefull for when debugging the window manager/graphics server. each tty is a different terminaland those have been there for a long time
[06:15] <ubntuus> ok, alright, i have just very little to no idea about the OS :)
[06:15] <Grimsf> ubntuus: a legacy from the olden times of non gui operation, but still quite usefull
[06:16] <ubntuus> oh ok ,good to know :)
[06:18] <ubntuus> Grimsf: thanks for all the help _/\_   :)
[06:19] <sow> e
[06:21] <ptah>  /exec ps ax
[06:22] <ptah>  /exec ps -ax
[06:22] <ptah>  /exec ls
[06:26] <cfhowlett> ptah, nothing will happen because you ARE NOT in your terminal ...
[06:26] <ptah> cfhowlett, no it works
[06:27] <ptah> i had a space
[06:27] <ptah> try it it works
[06:27] <ptah> try that /exec ls -aF
[06:27] <ptah> put the / at the end no space
[06:28] <ptah> irc has sh
[06:28] <ptah> sh -c ls
[06:29] <ptah> cfhowlett, did you try it?
[06:29] <cfhowlett> ptah, I'll take your word
[06:29] <ptah> it works dude
[06:29] <ptah> i knew this years ago
[06:37] <IamTheBoss> any1 here?
[06:37] <cfhowlett> IamTheBoss, ask your ubuntu questions
[06:38] <IamTheBoss> nautilus is not rendering file content as icon
[06:38] <IamTheBoss> in 16.04
[06:38] <IamTheBoss> where as it was there in 14.04
[06:38] <IamTheBoss> how to get it back?
[06:38] <lowbro> uninstall 16.04
[06:38] <lowbro> install 14.04
[06:39] <IamTheBoss> thanks but any other solution?
[06:39] <lowbro> Maybe installing an older version of nautilus, IamTheBoss
[06:40] <IamTheBoss> hmm
[06:40] <IamTheBoss> cant we do changes in configuration using dconf./
[06:40] <IamTheBoss> ?
[06:40] <lowbro> dunno
[06:41] <IamTheBoss> k
[06:42] <ptah>  /exec firefox &
[06:42] <ptah> you can run progams from here too
[06:42] <ptah> programs*
[06:42] <cfhowlett> ptah, this is the support channel.  chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[06:43] <ptah> ok
[07:38] <tatertots> Ok maybe it's getting late and i'm tired but why do users have access to other users files? like why can user1@host run 'cat /home/user2/Downloads/file.txt' ?
[07:39] <tatertots> it's late and i'm tired
[07:40] <cfhowlett> tatertots, because that user's home is not set to private
[07:45] <owen1> i installed pepperflashplugin-nonfree so i have flash in chromium now. is there a way to disable it? i only need it occasionally.
[07:45] <dagerik> owen1: chrome://plugins/
[07:45] <dagerik> can be disabled in there
[07:46] <owen1> dagerik: nice!
[07:47] <tatertots> ah this is because encrypted private was not selected during ubuntu installation
[07:48] <tatertots> kinda freaked me out at first when i noticed all users can read all other users files
[07:52] <apollo13> any reason why I would get no journal for a user with journalctl --user on ubuntu 16.04?
[07:52] <cfhowlett> tatertots, settings those users to private directory is not the same as encryption ... but it should be done IMO
[07:55] <tatertots> I guess i could do encrypted private now to prevent users from viewing other users data going forward.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[07:59] <apollo13> wth does vino not start anymore, and where is the log for it :/
[08:06] <kiwiman> hello guys dont send ur files thru any other website other than www.pazhanji.org .. this is the secure website u will ever find .. i dont have a quantum computer at my home to decrypt ur data
[08:06] <mcphail> Kimse: stop spamming please
[08:07] <mcphail> Kimse: oops - wrong nick - sorry ;(
[08:07]  * mcphail blushes
[08:07] <alfonzo> hello
[08:07] <alfonzo> guys
[08:07] <Tessik> Hello Alfonzo
[08:08] <alfonzo> how do i install a package from source, without notifing the ubuntu OS package manager?
[08:08] <ducasse> mcphail: impossible to get him to stop, he won't listen
[08:08] <alfonzo> is dpkg -i the right way? since i am installing from source a ame caled flightgear as it has newer version i need no interferece from a pkg manager?
[08:09] <fs> hello
[08:10] <NiceFriend> Hai
[08:10] <Tessik> alfonzo:http://www.howtogeek.com/105413/how-to-compile-and-install-from-source-on-ubuntu/
[08:10] <Tessik> Hope that helps!
[08:13] <alfonzo> Tessik: the files too,fly in /usr/local ,etc , i thought i could just keep the installed files in my /home/user/build directory for easy access
[08:13] <alfonzo> make does ransfer them into the OS parts automatically, still not  sure
[08:16] <mcphail> alfonzo: often, if there is a .configure script, it will take a "--prefix=/whatever/directory/you/want". If you use that and rebuild, "make install" should install everything under _that_ directory instead of /usr/local. Best check the documentation in your source tarball
[08:16] <fs> fs
[08:16] <mcphail> ./configure *
[08:16] <fs> ./configure
[08:17] <dellhem> sudo apt-cache search modemman
[08:17] <dellhem> sudo apt-cache search modem
[08:17] <dellhem> woops :)
[08:17] <Tessik> Almost had it :-P
[08:28] <wizardlysense> hey
[08:28] <Tessik> hi
[08:29] <wizardlysense> https://github.com/SecUpwN/Spotify-AdKiller
[08:29] <wizardlysense> useful piece of software
[08:57] <guzzlefry> Is there a list of supported devices for 16.04? I'm wondering if it will work with http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i5syk.html
[09:00] <cfhowlett> ubuntu and linux in generally usually get along fine with intel devices, guzzlefry.  pro-tip:  make an ubuntu USB, (I carry a credit card USB in my wallet and have a another on a lanyard around my neck everyday).    Admittedly a bit trick to do at the Apple Store but ... by no means impossible.
[09:00] <llldino> There isn't really a list per-se. You just need to make sure that drivers are available for all the hardware that you'd like to use. It seems to me that your Intel NUC would work fine with Ubuntu 16.04
[09:00] <OerHeks> !hcl
[09:00] <OerHeks> guzzlefry, i think it will work, try the live iso
[09:00] <llldino> Generally Ubuntu works with mostly everything unless the device is very new, very old or very exotic
[09:08] <Archeus> hello
[09:08] <Archeus> i need help
[09:08] <cfhowlett> !help | Archeus
[09:08] <Archeus> does anyone know about keyloggers or anything like them ?
[09:08] <Andrzej> what exactly you need to know?
[09:08] <haruki> hi
[09:09] <cfhowlett> Archeus, "does anyone ..." is a huge waste of space.  state YOUR issues and details.
[09:09] <Archeus> idk how
[09:09] <Archeus> but someone knows whts happening on this PC
[09:09] <haruki> anyone, is there a resource to learn about SSH?
[09:09] <cfhowlett> !ssh | haruki
[09:09] <Archeus> i want to remove tht
[09:09] <haruki> free resource, I mean.
[09:09] <Archeus> every bit of info is sent to his mobile as a text msg
[09:09] <llldino> haruki, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[09:09] <cfhowlett> haruki, man ssh would do it too
[09:10] <Archeus> i hve searched for something personal
[09:10] <k1l> Archeus: what makes you sure there is a keylogger?
[09:10] <Archeus> nd i dont want anyone to know about it
[09:10] <cfhowlett> Archeus, if true: reinstall ubuntu and lock it down properly
[09:10] <Archeus> cause thts wht keylogger do
[09:10] <Archeus> i cant reinstall it
[09:10] <Archeus> there are many things on this
[09:10] <Archeus> plus tht person is my dad
[09:10] <cfhowlett> Archeus, then it's not your computer and we will not help you hack
[09:10] <Archeus> man
[09:11] <Archeus> its mine
[09:11] <cfhowlett> Archeus, take it up with Dad.
[09:11] <k1l> Archeus: is it a keylogger? or did you just use a webbrowser or webpage which syncs the data with their account?
[09:11] <Archeus> it might be keylogger
[09:11] <k1l> Archeus: so you dont know
[09:11] <Archeus> cause he knows when this laptop was opened
[09:11] <cfhowlett> family issue, Archeus.  NOT an ubuntu issue.
[09:11] <Archeus> man
[09:11] <Archeus> dude
[09:11] <Archeus> tke this
[09:12] <k1l> Archeus: so if you know its a keylogger (knowing, not guessing) there is no way besides reinstall the OS.
[09:12] <Archeus> would u like it if ur dad knows everthing u hve searched on laptop
[09:12] <cfhowlett> Archeus, we will not be helping you violate your Dad's trust.    I'm beginning to see why your old man does not trust you
[09:14] <OerHeks> ..boy
[09:14] <Archeus> ahhhh
[09:14] <Archeus> one must give another one some privacy
[09:15] <Andrzej> Archeus how old are you?
[09:15] <k1l> Archeus: we told you what to do to get a clean ubuntu system.
[09:15] <Archeus> 16
[09:15] <cfhowlett> Archeus,  you're a bot or you're an untrustworthy idiot.  you're also ignored on my stream.
[09:15] <haruki> so, I'm a newbie. if he dual boot his with another linux distro, will his dad know?
[09:15] <Archeus> no
[09:15] <Archeus> i dont thnk so
[09:15] <cfhowlett> haruki, unlikely
[09:15] <OerHeks> he is a responsible parent, good job
[09:15] <Andrzej> technically he can boot from USB
[09:15] <Andrzej> and work on system from USB
[09:15] <cfhowlett> quite easily too, Andrzej
[09:16] <Archeus> lol
[09:16] <Archeus> ppl
[09:16] <Andrzej> it will be clean install and nothing will be logged on main system
[09:16] <Archeus> u dont get the point
[09:16] <k1l> Archeus: your question was answered now several times. do you have another issue?
[09:16] <haruki> so you felt it to be too restrictive?
[09:16] <Archeus> yes
[09:16] <Andrzej> USB drive or even SD card
[09:17] <Archeus> is there any other way to know how he does tht and remove tht thing without reinstalling my OS ?
[09:17] <Andrzej> or, replace hard drive, that would I would do :)
[09:17] <Ben64> Archeus: no
[09:17] <haruki> so... what he want to know is whether there is any computer that remotely accessed his?
[09:18] <k1l> Archeus: no. because one cant know what he used and if there is no secret files left which might reinstall such thing again. so only way is to reinstall if that is a keylogger issue
[09:18] <cfhowlett> haruki, let's focus on your own issues please.  Have you any?
[09:18] <Ascavasaion> If I decide to pop a 32GB usb memory stick into my Raspbery Pi as a 'hard disk' to store MP3s, would it be beneficial speed/ease/etc to format it to ext4 and lose ability to use it in under other OS's, or should I format it FAT32 and keep it that way?
[09:18] <Andrzej> Ben64: there is, kind of, he can monitor in and out traffic, basically sniffing and hope he will be lucky and catch outgoing messages
[09:18] <Andrzej> is they are not encrypted*
[09:18] <Archeus> hmm
[09:18] <Archeus> tht can be done
[09:18] <cfhowlett> Ascavasaion, better asked in a pi channel
[09:18] <haruki> cfhowlett: still reading the resources ubottu sent me?
[09:18] <llldino> Ascavasaion, Ext4 would be much faster than Fat32. I believe you can get drivers for Windows so that it can read Ext4 partitions
[09:19] <Ascavasaion> cfhowlett: *nods*
[09:19] <Ascavasaion> llldino: thank you.
[09:19] <Archeus> Andrzej : how to monitor traffic ?
[09:19] <ducasse> Archeus: did you pay for this computer?
[09:19] <Archeus> well my parents bought me this
[09:20] <ducasse> Archeus: so _they_ paid. and you're 16. play by their rules, then.
[09:20] <Archeus> i will
[09:20] <Archeus> but now
[09:20] <Archeus> i dont want them to know wht i hve surfed today
[09:21] <ducasse> probably too late.
[09:21] <llldino> Archeus, Regardless, even if you removed the ability for your dad to view your activities, you don't think he would know you did that?  If you are smart enough to do it on your own then kudos, otherwise I will not help you. The easiest way of going around restrictions would be using system from external bootable device like Pendrive or SD card, sniffing network traffic is just
[09:22] <Andrzej> begining, even if you will find something then you would have to block or remove it
[09:22] <Andrzej> and if you will do it, supervisor (your dad) will notice it straight away, he seems to be a guy that knows what he is doing
[09:22] <haruki> bye
[09:22] <Ben64> he's gone
[09:22] <haruki> as a teen, to be honest.
[09:23] <Andrzej> Ben64: heh yeah sorry, I was writting and didn't notice that :)
[09:25] <pavelz> hi, I can't reboot 16.04 on thinkpad t420. :    Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/poweroff.target; disabled; vendor preset: disabled)
[09:25] <pavelz> what is that
[09:25] <Andrzej> haruki: yeah I am dealing with teenager like him at the moment, I sold an laptop to guy like that and he come back to my saying that 'the laptop is "duff"'. Honestly I had to fire up urban dictionary to find out what he means.
[09:26] <Andrzej> I'm getting old...
[09:27] <ikonia> pavelz: looks like apm is not responding
[09:28] <haruki> how do you use ubottu?
[09:28] <pavelz> 'reboot' works but 'shutdown reboot/halt' does not
[09:28] <OerHeks> pavelz, is it attached to a dockingstation ? bug seems to be known https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1441253
[09:28] <pavelz> wird
[09:28] <pavelz> weird
[09:28] <cfhowlett> haruki, you are using it now
[09:28] <ikonia> pavelz: not really, reboot is a reset, (you'll find shutdown -r now will work too)
[09:28] <ikonia> pavelz: the halt is the power management powering off
[09:28] <ikonia> two different things
[09:29] <ikonia> although I'm currently sat on a T430s with zero apm issues
[09:29] <haruki> cfhowlett: I mean, the one that fire up that reading resource like ssh before?
[09:29] <pavelz> weird. used to work on 14.04 :D
[09:29] <pavelz> ikonia:
[09:29] <cfhowlett> haruki, depends if there is a programmed factoid or not.  If so: !ssh       would be the trigger
[09:29] <OerHeks> pavelz, try 'sudo init 0' or 'sudo poweroff -f' http://askubuntu.com/a/788559
[09:29] <pavelz> well i guess I just keep on updating into stability
[09:29] <jookiyaya> does ubuntu support reading/writing  gpfs  filesystem?
[09:29] <pavelz> ah ok will try now
[09:29] <ikonia> pavelz: I don't think thats the answer
[09:29] <haruki> thanks.
[09:30] <haruki> !ssh
[09:30] <ducasse> !brain | haruki
[09:31] <minimec> haruki: if you use /msg, you get a personal annswer, like '/msg ubottu bash'
[09:31] <haruki> ok. I's told by ubottu.
[09:31] <haruki> ok, it's told by ubottu
[09:31] <haruki> thanks everyone.
[09:33] <jookiyaya> does ubuntu support reading/writing  gpfs  filesystem?
[09:33] <llldino> jookiyaya, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpGPFSHowTo
[09:34] <max_ubuntu> hey people.
[09:35] <haruki> hi max
[09:35] <Jack_529> Hello Jack_678
[09:35] <max_ubuntu> apt-get insall <app> gets stuck at "0% [Waiting for headers]"
[09:35] <llldino> max_ubuntu, What does 'sudo apt-get update' return?
[09:35] <Jack_529> Who developer C?
[09:35] <max_ubuntu> I can ping the internet, google, I can use hexchat from the  computer.
[09:35] <\9> max_ubuntu: maybe you have a dead repo in your sources then
[09:36] <cfhowlett> Jack_529, this is not c support.  refocus on ubuntu please
[09:36] <max_ubuntu> llldino: that is with sudo, I just didn't type that assuming it was implied.
[09:36] <Jack_529> cfhowlett: thanks
[09:36] <mikhael_k33hl> Anyone using urxvt on Ubuntu. I'm having problems implementing the solarized color-scheme:http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized  .Xdefaults: http://pastebin.com/epW5dkVz
[09:36] <max_ubuntu> llldino: oh wait, update. let me do that.
[09:37] <max_ubuntu> llldino: 0% [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers] [Waiting for headers]
[09:38] <Jack_529> cfhowlett: server LAMP 16.04 online: it's secure?
[09:38] <cfhowlett> Jack_529, so I understand it but take this up with the experts: #ubunut-server
[09:39] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu-server
[09:39] <Jack_529> cfhowlett: ok, thanks
[09:39] <k1l> Jack_529: ubuntu patches known security issues. but what you set in the confics is your responsibility
[09:39] <llldino> max_ubuntu, Sounds lieka dead repo. Do you add a lot of PPAs?
[09:40] <k1l> max_ubuntu: put all the output onto paste.ubuntu.com and show the link here
[09:40] <Jack_529> k1l: ok
[09:40] <max_ubuntu> llldino: fresh install.
[09:41] <max_ubuntu> k1l: hmm, coming up in a minute. my work environment blocks all pastebin's. give me a min or two. :)
[09:41] <llldino> max_ubuntu, You can try following the best answer here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/156650/apt-get-update-very-slow-stuck-at-waiting-for-headers
[09:41] <k1l> max_ubuntu: could be an blocking network issue
[09:42] <llldino> max_ubuntu, You're at work now? Your admin might be blocking your apt-get update
[09:43] <max_ubuntu> llldino: yes on the work computer on vpn.
[09:43] <max_ubuntu> is apt-get traffic over http or another protocol?
[09:44] <llldino> max_ubuntu, I believe it's http
[09:44] <llldino> Possibly https
[09:47] <haruki> so... as desktop user, I want to know what renotely accessing my pc entailed. so, first, can I access my ubuntu desktop remotely?
[09:47] <max_ubuntu> ah, nevermind, I'm sure it's a proxy issue. Now even firefox is saying that the firewall needs credentials and otherwise it's refusing connections.
[09:48] <max_ubuntu> sure my windows domain pass might work, but then it might get someone pissed of that I'm using firefox on linux in a VM.
[09:49] <max_ubuntu> even tho, technically it's not against the rules to setup development VMs.
[09:51] <Guest10796> what does apt download <package> say?
[09:54] <ivo34> hello I use two hdd in my pc. currently I have ubuntu on one of them. is there a way to migrate the instalation to the other hdd?
[09:55] <bazhang> !clone | ivo34
[10:03] <Aliekezhi> hi, having a very weird issue with Ubuntu 14.04 : most of the repository lines are ignored when updating, it cannot contact some of it. Using the default repositories, didn't change anything manually in /etc/apt/sources.list...Everything else seems to be fine...Any ideas ?
[10:03] <Aliekezhi> changing to another miror server doesn't solve the issue
[10:04] <OerHeks> Aliekezhi, can you show the output of apt-get update in paste.ubuntu.com?
[10:05] <OerHeks> ign is not a bad sign, most of the times.
[10:07] <Anarhist> !ltsupgrade
[10:19] <ivo34> bazhang,  what about LVM?
[10:20] <OerHeks> ivo34, what about lvm?
[10:21] <melih> ;
[10:21] <melih> beni duyan varmi
[10:22] <YankDownUnder> OerHeks: Maybe - just maybe - this is a "code" randomly chucked into the channel to start the "Linux Revolution", perchance?
[10:23] <OerHeks> YankDownUnder, wait, the end of flash and cookies?
[10:23] <YankDownUnder> OerHeks: OMG - the end of Flash? Did Hell freeze over? ;)
[10:24] <OerHeks> !lmsensors
[10:26] <ivo34> OerHeks,  Logic Volume Management
[10:26] <ducasse> ivo34: we know what it is, what about it?
[10:27] <OerHeks> "what about lvm? " is not really a question to answer
[10:27] <OerHeks> we are not parrots
[10:27]  * YankDownUnder checks to see if he has feathers
[10:27] <ivo34> could I use it to move my ubuntu to another disk?
[10:28] <ducasse> ivo34: not really, no
[10:28] <ivo34> I have ubuntu on an old maxtor 160 gb...and I bought an hitachi 2 tera
[10:28] <OerHeks> ivo34, sure, you can move from ext disk to lvm. but you need to adjust some settings in your grub, perhaps reinstalling grub is the quickest and safest way
[10:28] <ivo34> I d like to move ubuntu to the new disk
[10:29] <ivo34> no external disks
[10:29] <ivo34> both are internal
[10:29] <OerHeks> * ext4 disk
[10:29] <ivo34> oh
[10:29] <ivo34> okay
[10:29] <YankDownUnder> Gosh...and I was going to offer up my ancient 5.25" 1.2mb floppy...
[10:30] <OerHeks> YankDownUnder, if you had an 8" fdd, you could fire a nuke.
[10:31] <YankDownUnder> OerHeks: Strewth... :)
[10:31] <ivo34> for what? fanning your face?
[10:31] <YankDownUnder> OerHeks: Rent it out to the US govt for $10k per month...
[10:31] <ducasse> ivo34: you can partition, format, rsync across, install grub and edit uuid in fstab, but it might be easier and quicker to reinstall.
[10:31] <ivo34> I see
[10:31] <ivo34> grrr
[10:32] <ivo34> I love my macbuntu
[10:32] <ducasse> ivo34: grrr what?
[10:32] <ivo34> it is a perfect fake
[10:32] <ivo34> and works quite well now
[10:32] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: Did you change the boot screen, too?
[10:33] <ivo34> I was thinking on upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 only when macbuntu upgrade will be smooth and ready
[10:34] <ivo34> and only then get dirty
[10:34] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: Well, get yer data moved first...reckon that's your priority right now...eh...
[10:34] <ivo34> but I see that switching hdd won't be easy neither
[10:35] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: It's easy. "Plan the work, work the plan." Don't take shortcuts.
[10:36] <ivo34> hmmmm okay could I walk in some succesfull guy's footsteps?
[10:36] <ivo34> in the same endevour
[10:36] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: ducasse just gave you the actual steps...follow the steps.
[10:36] <ivo34> hmmm
[10:37] <ivo34> partition... okay...format okay rsync across... I wonder what does that mean
[10:38] <ducasse> ivo34: it's not difficult, but it takes time and effort. that's why i said reinstall might be better.
[10:38] <ducasse> ivo34: rsync = copy data
[10:38] <ivo34> oh
[10:38] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: Reinstall, rsync, dd - take your pick...or, cheat and use Clonezilla...you've got a few options...and then some...
[10:38] <ivo34> youre suggesting not migrating but copying and then deleting the original arent you?
[10:39] <ivo34> clonezilla?
[10:39] <ivo34> a new japanesse monster?
[10:39] <YankDownUnder> Yersh.
[10:40] <YankDownUnder> "Clonezilla" is for those that aren't happy with sitting at the console with console commands..."point'n'click"-ish stuff...
[10:42] <kisb> the better option it is
[10:43] <ivo34> clonezilla got it...time to study
[10:44] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: http://clonezilla.org/
[10:44] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: Not much to study, really...however, if you like to read the fine print, please, by all means, do...
[10:45] <ivo34> I only wonder...
[10:45] <ivo34> would I be able to clone a running os?
[10:46] <ivo34> I mean the actual clonezilla's host
[10:46] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: Um...short answer or long answer?
[10:46] <ivo34> long
[10:47] <YankDownUnder> You run it from a USB...ahem...
[10:47] <ivo34> hmm
[10:47] <ivo34> I only have a 15Gb usb
[10:48] <ducasse> ivo34: so what? you clone disk -> disk
[10:48] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: You're not doing anything on the USB with the exception of running Clonezilla from the USB...the data gets cloned directly from the old drive to the new drive...no stopping in between, do not pass go, do not go directly to jail...etc etc etc...
[10:48] <ivo34> I see
[10:48] <ivo34> only a pivot point
[10:49] <ivo34> cool
[10:50] <ivo34> what if I want to set different partitions for system and /home in the cloned system?
[10:50] <ivo34> not able i guess
[10:50] <ivo34> I should reinstall then..shouldn't I?
[10:50] <YankDownUnder> On that same token, using a "liveUSB" with whatever version of linux, and using "dd" from the console is basically the same thing - without all that "point'n'click" schmutz...
[10:50] <ducasse> ivo34: fix that later, or reinstall.
[10:50] <YankDownUnder> ivo34: THAT is something you have to chew over in your own head...
[10:50] <OerHeks> i would put the 2tb hdd in the 1st sata port, do a fresh install, and copy data after that
[10:51] <OerHeks> and get a case for that 160 gb for external backup drive
[10:51] <YankDownUnder> *Bingo* for the best answer...you get a slice of cheesecake for that...
[10:52] <ivo34> oh wait wait I think I already have separate /home partition but it is running out of space...I guess clonezilla will fix this...as I will prepare wider partitions in the new disk beforehand..
[10:54] <YankDownUnder> "wider partitions" - hmm...have to try to use that in a sentence tomorrow...
[10:54] <OerHeks> what makes you think clonezilla fixes this?
[10:54] <ivo34> OerHeks, it will copy data from one partition to the other
[10:55] <ivo34> won't it?
[10:55] <JediMaster> Hi, got a slightly unusual one, I want to have two NICs on a VM, one is a public facing IP range, and the other a 10.x internal subnet. I want the default route to be via the internal 10.x network, but have the ability for people to SSH in via the public IP. Is that even possible with the default route out via the internal NIC/subnet?
[10:55] <OerHeks> no, it will clone partitions as it is
[10:55] <ducasse> ivo34: you need to resize partitions later, clonezilla does what it says on the tin.
[10:55] <ivo34> oh okay
[10:56] <de-facto> use rsync to clone a partitions filesystem content?
[11:08] <maret> Hi everyone, is there a way to check what are changes when I update from 14.04 to 16.04? I can't find it anything. Articles only talk about changes between last versions and I am curious about summary of those.
[11:09] <ducasse> maret: read the release notes?
[11:09] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[11:10] <maret> ducasse, too technical, too fine grained. I might have to read review of each version between I was just curious if there is some extra review give that some people updated only from lts to next lts
[11:10] <OerHeks> too fine grained +  you want a review of each version, that bites
[11:10] <ducasse> maret: you should at least scan through them before upgrading.
[11:11] <OerHeks> releasenotes are a fine summary
[11:11] <YankDownUnder>  Different coloured boot screen. Yep. HUGE change.
[11:11] <c0ax_> Hey ppl. I have problem with AWS. Accidently I have terminated ec2 instance. But I have snapshot of volume. Now how I can attach volume to new instance and continue using that volume with my old files on that new instance..? P
[11:11] <OerHeks> SystemD is the biggest change, then the open ATI drivers
[11:12] <OerHeks> c0ax_, ask in ##aws ?
[11:12] <c0ax_> Oh there is aws
[11:12] <c0ax_> sorry
[11:12] <k1l_> the changes on the packages depend on what the software changed in the last 2 years. like php from 5 to 7. or python to version 3 etc.
[11:12] <OerHeks> np
[11:13] <k1l_> maret: so it is very difficult to see what changes are important for you. or any other single user.
[11:14] <maret> k1l_, sure I am looking for review article for general public as you see with every new ubuntu version
[11:14] <k1l_> maret: the obvious will be omgubuntu. or look onto the planet on ubuntu.com
[11:15] <maret> yeah didnt check plane..
[11:16] <de-facto> maret since there are so many changes, how about doing a quick review on a virtual machine and see if the software you are using is working for you on xenial? sooner or later you will have to upgrade especially since xenial is a long term support release...
[11:17] <maret> de-facto well I am going to install it anyway, i am just curious what has changed, I definitelly won't be able to figure that out just by trying it out.
[11:18] <OerHeks> this is your best guide, maret https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[11:19] <Dianita> Hello
[11:19] <maret> so no really guide then , I will just read articles for each version between 14.04 and 16.04
[11:19] <maret> thanks anyways
[11:19] <ducasse> maret: users are expected to read the release notes, so they don't get surprised by big changes that affect them.
[11:20] <Abe_> I thought 16.04 is not recommended yet until the release of 16.04.1 i didn't follow the hole conversation though
[11:20] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade
[11:21] <de-facto> at least that is what i always tend to do, fire up a vm and get a feeling for the new version, then when i feel its stable enough and most of my software is working on it (well sometimes with some patches) i go ahead and boot it from a usb, see if bare metal hw is working too, then install it on a second ssd (i always have two, one wth the older version, one with the new version). that way i always can use the older version if things break, but
[11:21] <de-facto> honestly i cant remember that i had to boot the older version
[11:21] <Abe_> if i do a dist-upgrade it hopefully doesn't upgrade to 16.04 or does it?
[11:21] <Dianita> How to make a simple little console's temp color util like F.lux or RedShift?
[11:22] <llldino> How to I move the NFS module up in the boot order? Right now I have an entry in my fstab that mounts an NFS service that fails because the module isn't loaded at that time in the boot.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:22] <Dianita> How to make a simple little console's temp color util like F.lux or RedShift?
[11:22] <mcphail> Abe_: not unless you have manually changed your sources list
[11:22] <k1l_> Abe_: ubuntu doesnt use apt-get to upgrade
[11:22] <Abe_> i don't want 16.04 until 2019 if it's possible
[11:23] <Abe_> so if I just do apt-get dist-upgrade it won't change thx. i think 16.04 will be still to buggy for me
[11:23] <de-facto> its pretty stable for me
[11:24] <Abe_> i tried kubuntu 16.04 and the screen locker didn't even work yet so I give them some more time to work on things
[11:25] <OerHeks> fresh install 16.04.1 works fine.
[11:26] <Abe_> i screwed my system once with the 16.04 upgrade..
[11:27] <Abe_> i wait until the last day
[11:27] <OerHeks> last day .. install 15.10 Abe_
[11:28] <Abe_> nope my pc works just fine right now ^^
[11:28] <k1l_> Abe_: its your decision. you can stay on 14.04 for quite some time if you like. so that is fine.
[11:28] <Abe_> if it aint broke, don't fix it
[11:29] <k1l_> just keep in mind, that some flavors dont offer the full 5 years of support. so if you use kubuntu that is only 3 years iirc
[11:29] <Abe_> they offer security updates until 2019 even for kubuntu i thought
[11:30] <k1l_> no. just for the packages in "main". not all kde packages
[11:30] <Abe_> well i use ubuntu i just installed kde on top of it
[11:30] <Abe_> if kde is not supported anymore thats fine, as long as security updates still come in
[11:31] <k1l_> Abe_: ubuntu only ships 5 years security update to packages in the main repo. the kde packages are handled by the kubuntu team and they dont guarantee any updates after their EOL.
[11:32] <k1l_> Abe_: so you wont get even security updates for the kde stuff after the EOL
[11:33] <icedwater> What tools can I use to resize a lvm partition and its attendant filesystem on an Ubuntu VM? I tried dropping to "recovery" and using fsadm -l -e resize, but it didn't work.
[11:34] <Abe_> so i cannot use kde 4 until 2019?
[11:34] <Abe_> i have ubuntu on it i just did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:34] <Abe_> to get kde
[11:35] <OerHeks> who wants a 5 year ol' kde4 ..
[11:35] <Abe_> I do
[11:35] <k1l_> Abe_: its not about ubuntu or kubuntu. its about from which repo the packages come. and kde is not in main. only the packages from main do get 5years support by ubuntu.
[11:36] <Abe_> like i said i have ubuntu, i just have to log out and change my desktop enviroment
[11:36] <k1l_> Abe_: yes
[11:37] <k1l_> Abe_: but your kde packages dont get any updates after the kubuntu team set the EOL. that is the point.
[11:37] <Abe_> well thats ok then i guess. i will still use kde even after EOL
[11:38] <Abe_> kde 5 is still to buggy for me.
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Abe_, the repos are shut down, time to install a newer OS that's still supported
[11:39] <k1l_> he is using 14.04
[11:40] <Abe_> EOL is 2017 for kde 4 i thought
[11:41] <Abe_> updates still work. don't confuse me xD
[11:41] <k1l_> Abe_: its not about kde. its about the team handling the kde packages
[11:42] <Photon> Hi
[11:42] <Photon> I haven't installed Ubuntu on Laptop for while
[11:42] <Photon> ,still needs to installing bumblebee on it?
[11:42] <Abe_> Photon: for Nvidia Optimus?
[11:43] <Photon> Yes Nvidia 740m
[11:43] <Abe_> Disable secure boot and install the recommended drivers. is what I did. No bumblebee
[11:43] <k1l_> no. bumblebee is deprecated long time on ubuntu
[11:44] <DJones> Photon: I've got a laptop with Nvidia 750M, I use nvidia-prime and haven't had any issues
[11:44] <k1l_> ubuntu uses nvidia-prime which is the official nvidia support
[11:44] <Photon> Great news
[11:44] <Photon> thanks...
[11:44] <Abe_> I have Nvidia Optimus. They didn't install until I disabled secure boot in UEFI
[11:45] <Photon> How can I checking Graphic is disabled or enabled?
[11:46] <Abe_> Nvidia X server settings. you should be able to switch between intel and Nvidia gpu
[11:46] <Photon> ok'
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Abe_, sorry I misinterpreted your situation .... I run kde as well, and 16.04 is still buggy the change to plasma5 hasn't been smooth, but it's getting much better
[11:47] <Photon> other question my Update Software not opening aftrr doubled click on it
[11:48] <Abe_> I know time will fix things. thats why I wanna wait longer.
[11:48] <Abe_> kde 4 still runs way more stable
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Abe_, yeah if you're on a production machine then that's probly wise
[11:49] <k1l_> i think we got the facts cleared now
[11:49] <Abe_> well it's my home pc. and i don't wanted to be buggy to be honest
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Abe_, quite frankly i regret switching to 16.04 so soon as my main OS
[11:50] <janis> a
[11:50] <janis> a
[11:51] <Photon> Guys I searched on Google and couldn't find any usefulness sloution
[11:51] <zetheroo> we use a clonezilla image of Ubuntu on our PC's. One user is assuming that hibernation not working is due to Ubuntu not being installed with the installer due to some form of hardware detection going on during install. Doesn't sound right to me ... but is that a possibility?
[11:51] <fukinoodles> !ltsupgrade
[11:52] <fukinoodles> Is it out? 28 today
[11:52] <Abe_> BluesKaj: I switched too. but I downgraded again using my old 3.13 kernel again.
[11:53] <fukinoodles> My Ubuntu installation has a bazillion bugs and I'm looking to do a clean install of 16.04. How can I keep my programs?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Abe_, I have an older legacy BIOS machine I may still reinstall 14.04 if the sudden crashes don't stop soon
[11:54] <ivo34> hello again...I want to dual boot ubuntu with windows, in a two hdd pc. currently I have ubuntu on an old maxtor 150GiB hdd with two partitions one for / and other for /home in the 2TiB hdd I have a ntfs 488GiB partition I called windowshome and I made another 50GiB for the windows system itself...now my question is: does the order I place partitions matter? I mean I think it is important to have systems in different hdd, but do need s
[11:54] <ivo34> ystems to be next to their home partitions? I was thinking on this scheme: ubuntuSystem(disk150GiB) windowsSystem(part50GiBdisk2TiB)windowsHome(part950GiBdisk2TiB)ubuntuHome(part1000GiBdisk2TiB)
[11:55] <Abe_> BluesKaj: whatever fits your needs is good i think.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> fukinoodles, one method is to make sure you have separate / and /home partitions . That way you can install the OS to / and preserve your /home
[11:56] <cuboid> Firefox is not displaying a particular character in both webpages and in its interface. http://graphemica.com/%E2%96%B8
[11:56] <fukinoodles> BluesKaj I do have separate partitions
[11:57] <k1l_> cuboid: that works here on firefox
[11:57] <BluesKaj> fukinoodles, then you shouldn't have much of a problem upgrading
[11:57] <fukinoodles> Blueskaj Will that preserve my applications such as gimp?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> fukinoodles, if it's not default your config files will be still be there, so reinstalling will restore al your settings if
[11:58] <cuboid> k1l_: The character displays fine in xterm (including in w3m).
[11:59] <BluesKaj> needed
[11:59] <cuboid> k1l_: I have Noto fonts installed.
[11:59] <cuboid> k1l_: I have the 'Allow websites to use their own fonts' option enabled, which I should be able to do.
[11:59] <fukinoodles> Can I get a list of my installed packages so I dont miss anything?
[12:00] <DJones> !cloning | fukinoodles
[12:00] <k1l_> cubic2: could be a font issue you set there. it works here on a standard firefox and font setup
[12:00] <fukinoodles> !automate
[12:01] <cuboid> k1l_: I have not changed the font setup in Firefox. I am however going to install the DejaVu font, just in case.
[12:02] <k1l_> cuboid: "standard font: serif"
[12:03] <fukinoodles> Since the point release notification hasn't come out yet will I have to upgrade soon if I install the 16.04.1 ISO right now on the website.
[12:03] <k1l_> fukinoodles: its just a "servicepack" release
[12:03] <k1l_> fukinoodles: so if you have a 16.04 and run all the updates you are already on 16.04.1
[12:04] <fukinoodles> Small download size I guess for upgrading to 16.04.1 from 16.04?
[12:06] <k1l_> why dont you use the 16.04.1 iso for a new install=?
[12:06] <cuboid> k1l_: That is what is set in Firefox, but it still does not show the character. What serif font is yours using as the default?
[12:08] <fukinoodles> k1l_ yeah that's what I;m gonna do. But since the point release for 16.04.1 hasn't happened yet (postponed to 28th Jul) will that mean I have to immediately update when that comes out later today?
[12:08] <k1l_> fukinoodles: no
[12:08] <k1l_> fukinoodles: the release did happen
[12:08] <k1l_> fukinoodles: its just the 14.04 to 16.04 LTS upgrade is not opened yet for last bug testings.
[12:09] <fukinoodles> hmmm.. thanks
[12:11] <mrautisticsheep> hi guys i have a dig big
[12:11] <mrautisticsheep> You you read that wrong
[12:11] <k1l_> cuboid: its latin, serif. i really dont know what you changed. you said you changed the fonts so i guess your font just doesnt have a support for that unicode characters
[12:11] <mrautisticsheep> you've read that wrong too
[12:12] <cuboid> k1l_: I have not changed the default font setup of Firefox. But I have downloaded and installed the Noto fonts which are Unicode fonts.
[12:13] <scam> what is command to install a .deb from CLi?
[12:13] <Aliekezhi> OerHeks, here is the output of my error (have similar result with any repository) : https://bpaste.net/show/5f49c8aadf6a
[12:13] <llldino> scam, dpkg -i path/to/.deb
[12:14] <scam> llldino, thanks
[12:14] <llldino> scam, My pleasure
[12:15] <k1l_> Aliekezhi: seems like your ipv6 is broken
[12:15] <OerHeks> k1l_ +1
[12:16] <Aliekezhi> k1l_, and by default it doesn't use ipV4 when somehing doesn't work with v4 ?
[12:16] <k1l_> Aliekezhi: try a "sudo apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update"
[12:18] <crazyhorse18> i'm unable to install "sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer" under ubuntu 14.04
[12:18] <crazyhorse18> i apparantly need it .. but i can't seme to be able to isntall it
[12:19] <jungn> hi all question for you(im hoping its a simple answer) i am running 16.04 in virtualbox and something happened where i no longer have the menu bar or start menu. I can right click on the desktop to get into a terminal but nothing i have tried has seemed to fix the issue i tried reinstalling unity and disabling/reenabling unity through ccms but it looks like it starts for a half second and then disappears. Any ideas?
[12:19] <crazyhorse18> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/msttcorefonts << I found it on the site.. but i don't know if that means it should work with apt-get
[12:19] <Aliekezhi> k1l_, OerHeks sadly, it still doesn't work with similar errors (except there are no IPv6 in the output ^^)
[12:19] <k1l_> crazyhorse18: do you have multiverse repo enabled?
[12:20] <k1l_> Aliekezhi: put all the command and output into paste.ubuntu.com and show the link here
[12:20] <llldino> crazyhorse18, You can try apt-cache search "mscore" and see if anotehr similarly named package shows up
[12:20] <crazyhorse18> k1l_, nah i haven't .. do i need to?
[12:20] <k1l_> crazyhorse18: ttf-mscorefonts-installer is the pacakge, and that works with apt. if you have multiverse repo enabled
[12:21] <crazyhorse18> ok
[12:21] <crazyhorse18> k1l_, thanks for your help :)
[12:21] <Aliekezhi> k1l_, https://bpaste.net/show/d69dfdc3a936
[12:22] <k1l_> Aliekezhi: is this sort of vpn, proxy or firewalled network?
[12:23] <olegg> Hi Ninjas \n , im looking for a way that we can use parameter in jmeter request body, for example I want read json from file and send POST with that body, in addition I want a variable ${__time(dd/MM/yyyy,)} to put in that json, is there a way to do it?
[12:25] <ouroumov_> olegg, this channel is for Ubuntu support only, maybe ask in #programming ?
[12:26] <olegg> ouroumov, ok thanks :)
[12:27] <Aliekezhi> k1l_, no VPN or proxy
[12:27] <BluesKaj> olegg, or ##linux
[12:29] <olegg> BluesKaj, thnaks :) +1
[12:32] <christian_> Anyone here using Xubuntu 16.04.1 already? how's ur system? Did they fixed the bugs?
[12:33] <ivo34> hey which scheme is better for a dual boot here: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=105478 A or B?
[12:34] <Aliekezhi> k1l_, I'll try setting up a VPN, maybe this part of the network is filtered
[12:35] <teward> ivo34: windows likes to have the start of the drive, but ultimately I don't think it matters as much.
[12:35] <StephenS> is it possible to have mariadb-server and mysql workbench installed on ubuntu, at the same time?
[12:35] <ikonia> StephenS: should be
[12:35] <StephenS> because when I install mysql workbench, mariadb-server gets removed, while mysql gets installed
[12:35] <StephenS> really weird
[12:35] <ivo34> teward so A
[12:35] <ikonia> StephenS: is the workbench pakcage depending on mysql ?
[12:36] <StephenS> I think so
[12:36] <ikonia> StephenS: where ar eyou getting workbench package from ?
[12:43] <dionysus69> I removed windows partition totally but updating grub still sees a windows loader. what do I do, just go to efi partition and delete windows.efi file?
[12:44] <mahamadou> hello
[12:44] <mahamadou> I think the windows partitions were not well removed
[12:46] <BluesKaj> dionysus69, that depends whether or not you want to run in EFI or legacy mode with, and how the GPT table will affect that is iffy iirc
[12:46] <cuboid> k1l_: Success! Once I installed ttf-dejavu, the character is showing up in the interface and on the webpages.
[12:46] <dionysus69> BluesKaj: I am in efi mode
[12:47] <dionysus69> I just want to remove windows from grub ... :)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> dionysus69, run sudo os=prober if windows is removed , the sudo update-grub, i would think
[12:49] <BluesKaj> os-prober dionysus69
[12:49] <dionysus69> update-grub still detects windows loader
[12:50] <dionysus69> since I just deleted windows partitions and efi loader would still be in efi partition
[12:50] <BluesKaj> run os-prober first
[12:50] <BluesKaj> then update-grub
[12:50] <dionysus69> yep, nothing, did the same
[12:51] <BluesKaj> odd
[12:51] <BluesKaj> well you can wipe the windows efi partiton then reinstall grub
[12:52] <BluesKaj> from live media
[12:53] <dionysus69> I just did sudo efibootmgr -b 0014 -B
[12:53] <dionysus69> finally lol
[12:53] <dionysus69> where 0014 was windows hex in efibootmgr list
[12:54] <dionysus69> but update grub still detects it xD
[12:57] <BluesKaj> dionysus69, make sure you keep the gpt partiton table. It's capable of many more primary partitions than the dos tables
[12:57] <torodoro> i got strange problem. when trying connect to internet from any app, first time is ineffectual. Second time and next is working.
[12:58] <dionysus69> yes of course I am not touching gpt partition, whole my system is on it
[12:58] <ioria> dionysus69, http://superuser.com/questions/148418/remove-windows-7-entry-from-grub
[12:58] <torodoro> after a while tis repeat.
[12:58] <torodoro> this*
[12:59] <torodoro> it's problem because program like thunderbird give me error for connecting and internet access
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hehe ioria , it's exactly the opposite of my suggestiuon, so os-prober only looks for ntfs not ext partitions :-)
[13:02] <BluesKaj> good to know
[13:02] <ioria> BluesKaj, yeah
[13:03] <dionysus69> ioria: thanks that worked :)
[13:04] <ioria> dionysus69, ok, but read the whole article  .... :þ
[13:05] <Meliooo> My wife started a new contracting company and she had soany hassles with hr hiring tech in the past she just interviews tech herself so when she interviews linux tech, they have a general confident professionalism most windows server hats dont have
[13:06] <DArqueBishop> !ot Meliooo
[13:06] <DArqueBishop> Hrm, I guess that trigger works differently than I thought it would...
[13:06] <GlockX> hey guys, why does my ethernet connection is set to manual in /etc/network/interfaces after a fresh installation?
[13:07] <metablack> hi
[13:08] <Meliooo> !ot
[13:08] <Meliooo> Ohh off topic
[13:08] <Meliooo> Sorry
[13:08] <metablack> y understand me yes or no
[13:10] <t0th_-_> hi
[13:17] <sparkly> just upgraded 16.04. Had the "Please enter passphrase for disk cryptswap1 on none!" for 10 years on various machines. Wonder if someone has a fix (google failed me).
[13:18] <sparkly> and disabling encrypted swap is not a fix ^^
[13:20] <OerHeks> encryptes swap ... that is really bad, as the passphrase is on that encryptted swap :-D
[13:20] <OerHeks> run around in circles
[13:21] <sparkly> well - its suppose to do it automatically. I remember stumbling upon the issue first time in Ubuntu 10 i think.
[13:21] <OerHeks> encryption and encrypted swap are not mature enough on linux.
[13:21] <sparkly> thats what i though :/
[13:22] <sparkly> on "linux" may be a bit harsh
[13:22] <OerHeks> solution: use non encrypted swap, or no swap at all ( my choise would be the 2nd one)
[13:24] <sparkly> sure. I do think its a problem that its a readily available option in the graphical installer.
[13:24] <mysticTot> I'm trying to modify the files in  the /sys/ directory. But it is saying permission denied?
[13:25] <mysticTot> I'm doing this with sudo
[13:26] <llldino> !sys
[13:27] <mysticTot> yes
[13:27] <llldino> mysticTot, The sys directory is a virtual directory that is used by the ekrnal. It's not meant for operationg on
[13:27] <sparkly> i know its maybe not constructive but: ~10 years man with no fix to the encr. swap issues. Jeez...
[13:27] <OerHeks>  /sys/ is a ram-based filesystem [...]. It provides a means to export kernel data structures, their attributes, and the linkages between them to userspace.
[13:27] <mysticTot> Yes I know that
[13:28] <mysticTot> I'm trying to use ftrace
[13:28] <mysticTot> debugfs is mounted on /sys/
[13:28] <OerHeks> mysticTot, good luck then
[13:28] <mysticTot> But I'm not able to do that
[13:29] <mysticTot> Lets echo function > current_tracer
[13:29] <mysticTot> http://lwn.net/Articles/365835/
[13:29] <ModFather> Displays what tracer is currently enabled. Can be changed by echoing a new tracer into it.
[13:30] <mysticTot> function_graph
[13:30] <mysticTot> is enabled
[13:30] <mysticTot> The point is I'm not even able to do this with su
[13:32] <mohamedserag> hi
[13:40] <kgirthofer> hey all - when I start a screen session and then SSH into another box I loose the prompt colors, how do I fix that?
[13:48] <Ntemis> howdy
[13:49] <Ntemis> i need help get some boxes to normal size after update to xenial
[13:49] <Ntemis> e.g. firefox search box is huge
[13:59] <rajivmars> What is the command to get information about the OS in ubuntu 16.
[14:00] <zetheroo> is it true that if i type a password into the terminal that it's saved in the terminal history (bash history)?
[14:00] <rajivmars> What is the command to get information about the OS in ubuntu 16.04?
[14:00] <ikonia> zetheroo: yes, as it will be an invalid command
[14:00] <ikonia> rajivmars: what sort of information
[14:00] <OerHeks> rajivmars, systemsettings > details
[14:01] <rajivmars> ikonia: like os version.
[14:01] <zetheroo> ikonia: isn't that a security risk?
[14:01] <FlipBill> uname -a
[14:01] <genii> zetheroo: If you're worried about that, put a space before the command and it won't go into the .bash_history file
[14:01] <FlipBill> for kernel
[14:01] <zetheroo> genii: ok interesting
[14:01] <ikonia> rajivmars: you know you're using 16.04 - you've just said
[14:01] <ikonia> zetheroo: the security issue is the user, not this
[14:02] <ikonia> bash_history just puts anything you type into the terminal into the history
[14:02] <FlipBill> rajivmars, what information are you looking for.   But i don't know the command. I am new in linux.
[14:02] <ikonia> and you can always encypt the disk
[14:03] <ikonia> rajivmars: but you know it's 16.04
[14:03] <OerHeks> zetheroo, never seen my password in bash_history
[14:03] <kgirthofer> zetheroo, encrypt the drive
[14:03] <ikonia> rajivmars: so why do you want to know the OS if you know it's 16.04
[14:03] <kgirthofer> he's referring to things like 'mysql -u root -ppassword
[14:03] <zetheroo> I never knew the passwords were saved anywhere in plain text
[14:03] <FlipBill> rajivmars, Define "OS"
[14:03] <rick6860> is there a way to change the way folders display content? In windows I can show a list or details or thumbnails. Can I do that in MATE?
[14:03] <kgirthofer> that'll get stored in bash history
[14:03] <OerHeks> kgirthofer, oh, oke
[14:03] <kgirthofer> logging in will not be stored in history
[14:03] <FlipBill> rajivmars, IOW, what are you asking?
[14:03] <mcphail> zetheroo: only passwords you have entered as a normal shell command are included in the history. If you type "sudo command" then enter your passowrd at the prompt, tthat isn't stored
[14:03] <zetheroo> kgirthofer:  can you clarify?
[14:04] <sumoruman> kgirthofer: Thank you for explaining, I was so confused as to why you'd ever be typing your password into the terminal like that :P
[14:04] <zetheroo> mcphail: ah ok
[14:04] <kgirthofer> so if you log into the machine - your password will not be stored in the history
[14:04] <zetheroo> or if I ssh into another machine ...
[14:04] <zetheroo> ?
[14:04] <kgirthofer> if you log into mysql for example and include your password it WILL store in bash history
[14:04] <kgirthofer> BUT
[14:04] <mcphail> zetheroo: if you accidently enter a password in a normal shell prompt, if you type "kill -9 0" it will close the terminal without saving the password to your history
[14:04] <OerHeks> zetheroo, if someone steals your machine without encrypting, send them here and we help resetting the password
[14:04] <ikonia> zetheroo: basically if you "visually" see the password on the command line - it's in the history
[14:04] <ikonia> zetheroo: if you don't see it - it's not
[14:04] <kgirthofer> you can do things like mysql -u root -p with no password and it'll ask and not store the pass in histo
[14:04] <ikonia> thats the short cut to the answer
[14:05] <zetheroo> ikonia: ok, that's clear
[14:05] <zetheroo> thanks
[14:05] <kgirthofer> encrypt hte drive, encrpyt users home directories, then you're fine
[14:05] <rajivmars> ikonia: yes i know. But still i am curious to know the command to get this information from the terminal.. i know how to get it from the GUI. but i don't no the command line for this.
[14:06] <zetheroo> about encrypting the drive - can the drive be encrypted with a unique password - something other than the password of the user?
[14:06] <tgm4883> zetheroo: if you encrypt the full drive it's not tied to the password of the user
[14:06] <ikonia> zetheroo: honestly - I'd conisder long and hard about encrypting your drive
[14:06] <ikonia> it's not something you should do unless you REALLY need it
[14:07] <tgm4883> ikonia: why?
[14:07] <ikonia> it can put your recovert at risk, more so if you have a problem
[14:07] <ikonia> recovery
[14:07] <zetheroo> ikonia: yeah, I tend to agree
[14:07] <zetheroo> exactly
[14:07] <zetheroo> tgm4883: ok, good to know
[14:07] <kgirthofer> what
[14:07] <kgirthofer> always encrypt your drives
[14:07] <zetheroo> :)
[14:09] <FlipBill> rajivmars, Are you reading the responses that have been sent to you?
[14:09] <rajivmars> flipbill: yes i have read all those.
[14:10] <zetheroo> what about passwords saved in memory - is that a risk?
[14:10] <kgirthofer> yea but it's one you have to deal with - so limit it's accessibility
[14:11] <kgirthofer> it's not a risk if you build your systems correctly
[14:11] <zetheroo> will encrypting the disk have any effect on that?
[14:11] <zetheroo> speaking of PC's
[14:11] <zetheroo> which we don't "build" :)
[14:11] <ikonia> zetheroo: I think you need to be realistic about a.) your situation b.) your risk of compromise c.) the data you are storing on this device - is it really that secret
[14:12] <tgm4883> ikonia: +1
[14:12] <FlipBill> rajivmars, I asked you for clarification in order to help you.  You seemed to ignore it.  Did I miss your response?
[14:12] <zetheroo> it's more for informational reasons - it's come up from a couple Linux users and I keep asking for real-life scenarios ;P
[14:13] <zetheroo> I just don't know myself how easy/hard it is to retrieve passwords from the memory/swap
[14:13] <tgm4883> zetheroo: IIRC, pretty hard
[14:13] <llldino> zetheroo, Maybe look into this: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/ecryptfs.html Full disk encryption is rarely necessary but If you have sensitive data you need to store ecryptfs can do so without you having to crypt the entire drive
[14:13] <kgirthofer> encrypting a drive adds to boot time, but it's inconsequential. After boot the drive is unlocked - helps if someone steals the drives or something else. Once it's booted the drive is unencryped. Hence encrypting user homes
[14:13] <FlipBill> rajivmars, I aslo gave you something for the command line.  You seemed to ignore that too.
[14:13] <ikonia> rajivmars: lsb_release -a
[14:13] <zetheroo> ok
[14:14] <zetheroo> so encrypting the disk also means that the swap is encrypted
[14:14] <genii> zetheroo: When you type a command in like sudo <something>  the command you typed goes to the bash history file, but not the password you enter when sudo prompts you for one. So the only time passwords get in there is if for instance you run some command which has the password in clear text in the command itself
[14:15] <genii> zetheroo: And in those cases, just putting a space before the command will prevent it from being entered into the bash history file, as I explained earlier
[14:15] <rajivmars> flipBill: I was asking about this command: "lsb_release -a". I have already mention that i wanted to know the commang which used to get information about my OS such as its version.
[14:15] <zetheroo> genii; thanks, we covered that. :) I am asking now about passwords stored in memory/swap
[14:15] <rajivmars> ikonia: that's all what i have asked for.
[14:16] <OerHeks> rajivmars,  pastebin this output please :-D >> lshw && uname -a && cat /etc/issue && lsb_release -a && lscpu && lspci && lsusb && df -h
[14:16] <kgirthofer> rajivmars, cat /etc/*-release
[14:17] <FlipBill> rajivmars, Your interlocutors were puzzled because you already new the version ov your "distribution."  You were asked to explain what you meant by "OS."  I also gave you the command to identify the kernel.  We don't know your purpose.  Do you see the ambiguities?
[14:17] <FlipBill> s/new/knew/
[14:19] <FlipBill> rajivmars, Note that OerHeks just gave you far something to obtain far more comprehensive information,  But we can't know what is helpful because you aren't helping us by being unresponsive and repeating the same vague question.
[14:20] <OerHeks> i forgot dmidecode ..
[14:20] <lernty> Is there any way to change the order of indicators in Ubuntu 16.04? Solutions like this one for Ubuntu 14.04 don't work for me (I edit the file in /usr/ without copying it to my user directory): http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/how-to-change-application-indicators.html
[14:20] <FlipBill> OerHeks, Heh.  And all that stuff in /etc/default/* and, and....
[14:21] <rajivmars> flipBill: I am new in linux. that's why i wanted to know this simple command "lsb_release -a" to check OS detains from the terminal. i am learning linux, that's why i asked that question despite i know the OS version.
[14:21] <rajivmars> flipBill: I am new in linux. that's why i wanted to know this simple command "lsb_release -a" to check OS details from the terminal. i am learning linux, that's why i asked that question despite i know the OS version.
[14:22] <Gnomethrower> Hi there, I have a question about NTP/time sync on Ubuntu 14.04
[14:22] <OerHeks> lernty, maybe this page is a better answer http://www.webupd8.org/2016/05/customize-notifyosd-notification.html
[14:22] <Gnomethrower> This page https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/NTP.html seems to imply that timesyncd " replaces the client portion of ntpd"
[14:22] <Gnomethrower> need to know if that's the case on 14.04
[14:23] <Gnomethrower> as "NTP synchronized: no" when I run timedatectl
[14:24] <lernty> OerHeks: thanks but I want to change the small icons in the top-left of the screen (indicators like the time and language settings buttons, although I understand these aren't able to be re-ordered, I have other custom indicators I'd like to re-order), not notifications :P
[14:24] <zetheroo> When installing Ubuntu I am guessing it does some hardware detection ... no?
[14:25] <skinux> Is the "time remaining" display of battery power for laptops accurate?
[14:25] <arapgodsmack> j
[14:25] <FlipBill> rajivmars, Fair enough.  But if you ask for help, please don't ignore requests for clarification.  Good luck.
[14:25] <skinux> I ust unplugged my lappy, it shows 94% saying I have an hour and 16 minutes of power left. It changed from 2 hours to this in 2 seconds.
[14:26] <alkisg> skinux: do you have a car? when you see "remaining gas", don't you sometimes see "4 hours" and sometimes "2 hours"?
[14:26] <llldino> skinux, It's a function of the wattage used by the laptop and the detected remaining charge. The timer can only be so accurate
[14:26] <alkisg> That depends on how much you press the pedal
[14:26] <alkisg> (or in computers, the cpu)
[14:26] <skinux> Okay
[14:26] <skinux> So then my battery life is only one hour.
[14:26] <zetheroo> If I install Ubuntu on machine X and then make a clonezilla image of that install and restore that image to machine Y, and on machine Y hibernation doesn't work - could this be because Ubuntu was not "installed" on machine Y via the installer?
[14:26] <skinux> Hmm. When I bought this laptop I had a 3-4 hour battery life.
[14:27] <alkisg> No, it may be from 10 minutes to 2 hours, depending on what you do with it
[14:27] <alkisg> skinux: there's an indicator that tells you how much worn out the battery is
[14:27] <alkisg> If it's e.g. 80%, it's still good. If it's e.g. 20%, it needs to be replaced
[14:27] <skinux> Oh? What is the package for that?
[14:28] <Mordoc> zetheroo, it could be a number of things such as differences in hardware and such. What are the logs telling you?
[14:28] <alkisg> In the past I used to see that in the control panel, power options or something, then battery properties
[14:28] <mcphail> zetheroo: hibernation is buggy, and does not work on all hardware. Furthermore, there must be enough swap space to store RAM contents
[14:28] <rajivmars> FlipBill: SORRY:) If i am unable to clarify. I will try to ask clear questions after spending some time with linux.
[14:28] <alkisg> Google it a bit
[14:28] <skinux> Also, is there a way I can create an "image" of the system and save it as an ISO or something instead of burning it to DVD?
[14:28] <FlipBill> skinux, batteries are even harder to gauge than gas tanks.  There is no way to directly measure the electrons left to flow.  In a gas tank, a float can act as a decent proxy for volume, even if the fluid sloshes around.
[14:28] <cabox> FirefoxOS is full shit no antivirus potection firwall distabled!
[14:28] <kgirthofer> skinux, clonezilla to disk
[14:29] <cabox> l0l0 hah]
[14:29] <zetheroo> mcphail: yeah, that's what I have found. I have a user who is blaming his hibernation not working on the fact that it was a clonezilla image "install"
[14:29] <FlipBill> skinux, this is all aside from the question of converting to duration in the face of unpredictable consumption rates.
[14:29] <skinux> Power Statistics says my battery capacity of 51.5% what does that mean?
[14:29] <zetheroo> but I thought that hardware detection is on boot
[14:29] <kgirthofer> means your battery is at 51.5% capacity
[14:29] <FlipBill> rajivmars, No need to apologize for being disoriented.  Just don't ignore people.
[14:30] <alkisg> skinux: it means it last half of what it used to, when it was new
[14:30] <papiChulo> hi guyz
[14:30] <mcphail> zetheroo: see https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html for debugging tips
[14:30] <FlipBill> skinux, It means it is somewhere between fully charged and completely dead.
[14:30] <skinux> Ahh. In other words my battery is 50% quality..only half good.
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[14:31] <skinux> Looked at prices for a new one....$150-$200 for a new one.
[14:31] <alkisg> FlipBill: no, capacity isn't the same as charged, it means that if you charge it fully, it will only last for e.g. 2 hours instead of 4 hours when it was new
[14:31] <FlipBill> Batteries gauge readings are subject to calibration.  They can be wildly misleading.
[14:31] <zetheroo> mcphail: is hibernation buggy on Linux in general, or is this more of an Ubuntu thing?
[14:31] <zetheroo> I am guessing it's not just with Ubuntu
[14:31] <FlipBill> alkisg, True.  I was making a joke, and even those definitions are malleable.
[14:32] <alkisg> FlipBill: ok, and yup, they sure are
[14:32] <skinux> Hmm. In ten minutes I've lost 14% battery charge.
[14:32] <mcphail> zetheroo: linux in general. Hibernation has always been a bit neglected by the kernel devs
[14:32] <rajivmars> FlipBill: I am not ignoring people. yes i was unable to clarify. It is because i am new to linux:)
[14:32] <zetheroo> ok
[14:33] <mcphail> zetheroo: and I'm sure some hardware isn't as compliant with standards as it should be
[14:33] <Gnomethrower> !ntp
[14:33] <FlipBill> rajivmars, Clearly you are not ignoring me now.  It seemed so earlier, to me.  I apologize if I was mistaken.
[14:33] <zetheroo> right
[14:33] <codephobic> hi
[14:34] <ahrc333ff> hie codephobic
[14:34] <codephobic> I'm using 16.04 and I'm finding that nautilus is _very_ slow to open some volumes. There's nothing actually wrong with the disks and I have other volumes that open perfectly fine, so I'm just wondering if there's a bug or if it might be due to some format issue?
[14:35] <codephobic> Any advice on what tests I might conduct to discern the nature of the problem?
[14:35] <Gnomethrower> NTP enabled: yes | NTP synchronized: no | What do I do?
[14:35] <rajivmars> FlipBill: No need to apologize. you guys are always helping people, and that's great:)
[14:35] <Gnomethrower> ntpd never seems to sync on my system, and it's enabled and running
[14:35] <alkisg> codephobic: one test could be to check `dmesg`,`cat /var/log/syslog`, and `cat .xsession-errors`, right after accessing the volumes
[14:36] <codephobic> wonderworld: ah, ok I'll give it a go now
[14:36] <mcphail> codephobic: if you have a terminal running "top" as you open the volume, is there anything noticeable? A runaway mediascanner service or similar?
[14:36] <ahrc333ff> codephobic: I honestly couldn't troubleshoot this myself, but some suggestions might be to see if somehow permissions got screwed up. strace and ltrace might give you some information on that if nothing shows up in the logs. Hopefully someone more skilled can help.
[14:37] <codephobic> wonderworld: for some reason, all the volumes that were laggy before, are very zippy now. Can't replicate the problem.
[14:37] <skinux> Can keeping AC plugged in all the time ruin a battery?
[14:37] <alkisg> codephobic: if you're talking to me, I'm "alkisg", not "wonderwolrd"...
[14:37] <codephobic> alkisg: sorry for the mixup
[14:37] <|avalon|> yup, skinux, it is called overcharging
[14:38] <skinux> So, it ruins the battery then?
[14:38] <codephobic> alkisg: I'm using a new irc client and obviously my eyes aren't scanning the text well :(
[14:38] <|avalon|> if it is li-ion, yup
[14:38] <FlipBill> Depends on charger and battery type.
[14:38] <codephobic> alkisg: irssi, just in case you were wondering
[14:38] <|avalon|> and i think 90% are li-ion
[14:38] <fukinoodles> Any command line tools to create LiveUSBs? The startup disk creator doesn't recognise multiple partitions.
[14:38] <alkisg> codephobic: hehe, yup, ty
[14:39] <FlipBill> |avalon|, true.  A charger should regulate its current flow appropriately.
[14:39] <cyberorg> fukinoodles, https://github.com/cyberorg/live-fat-stick
[14:40] <codephobic> alkisg: it should be possible to find the issue in the logs, even if I can't replicate it now, right? do you know which logs to look through and where?