[06:22] <ScottK> infinity: Were any decisions about the future of armel made at UDS?
[12:52] <infinity> ScottK: Nope.
[14:01] <Laney> Are you ready for us (backporters) to start uploading ourselves now?
[16:37] <stgraber> slangasek: there you go ^
[16:38] <slangasek> stgraber: have you by chance tested that the debconf prompt shows?
[16:39] <stgraber> slangasek: yeah, I tested it in the same test environment as the previous sru and confirmed that I get the debconf prompt with it
[16:39] <slangasek> ok, great
[16:40] <slangasek> hmm; normally we would want db_go to be guarded with '|| true'
[16:40] <slangasek> because it returns non-zero if the question isn't shown
[16:41] <slangasek> however, in this case it's critical so it should never not be shown anyway
[16:41] <stgraber> do you want me to re-upload just to be safe?
[16:41] <slangasek> nah, I've accepted it as-is
[16:41] <slangasek> just recording my thoughts here :)
[16:42] <stgraber> ok, I'll push with "|| :" for the quantal one
[18:34] <broder> Laney: if you do upload backports yourself, be sure to at least get the u-d-t from the daily ppa
[18:34] <broder> i pushed some changes this weekend or something (forget exactly when)
[18:35] <micahg> are we supposed to be uploading our own backports now?
[18:35] <broder> i think we're close to making it standard operating procedure
[18:36] <broder> colin asked for a tool to make sure that a backport in the queue is actually no-change
[18:36] <broder> but other than that all the pieces are in place
[18:36] <broder> (Laney and i have done a couple of backports our selves)
[18:36] <micahg> I noticed :)
[18:38] <Laney> just making sure that it is law
[18:38] <highvoltage> Laney Lays down the Law
[23:30] <RAOF> infinity: You want the -proposed d-shlibs to get released into preciseupdates and
[23:30] <RAOF> -security, right?  That looks like the right thing to do.
[23:57] <infinity> RAOF: Yeah, ideally.


[00:04] <seg|ars> jcastro: yo
[00:05] <jcastro> mpt: ping
[00:05] <jcastro> mpt: seg|ars can help in our quest for help
[00:05] <mpt> jcastro, our quest for add-on awesomeness?
[00:05] <mpt> or our quest for something else?
[00:06] <jcastro> yes, add ons
[00:06] <seg|ars> if you are looking for people to help with software center stuff, I can write a post on Ars to draw some attention to it
[00:28] <mpt> seg|ars, that would be brilliant. I'll be posting a list of "101 ways you can help" soon, which you could use as a source.
[00:28] <seg|ars> yeah, that would work well
[00:28] <seg|ars> I'm usually idling here. You or jcastro can ping me when that is live and then I'll write it up
[00:41] <mpt> ok, thanks
[01:27] <jono> kenvandine, did you break my indicator-applet?
[01:27] <jono> :)
[03:44] <Nafai> I'm not seeing this in the design docs, is there a problem with having sub-menus with app-indicators?
[03:45] <Nafai> Looking at future things I'm going to be working on, for example, gnome-bluetooth, and there a submenus for each device you have connected
[14:13] <Nafai> good morning
[17:07] <manish> vish, eog patch has been really applied?
[17:07] <vish> manish: yeah... check upstream comments
[17:08] <manish> vish, couldn't believe as I as skeptical that they would ever accept it
[17:09] <vish> manish: heh , there are other open bugs ;)
[17:09] <manish> vish, where?
[17:09] <vish> manish: hmm , i meant other papercuts
[17:10] <manish> yeah. I have been very busy in apt-offline-qt project as of now. So had to stop for a while
[17:10] <jono> hey Nafai
[17:11] <jono> how are things today?
[17:11] <manish> vish, I have total 3 open project on my side. Would look at papercuts sometime
[17:11] <vish> manish: np..
[17:12] <manish> vish, it could be useful if you gimme a list of easy papercuts so that I can fix them
[17:12] <manish> since searching them takes a lot of time
[17:13] <vish> manish: the milestoned ones are mostly easy ones> https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/lucid , milestone 10 are still in need of attention
[17:13] <manish> vish, just for information. What % of papercuts have been fixed?
[17:14] <vish> manish: i havent counted, but you can see the status in that link^
[17:25] <manish> vish, I had submitted this patch ( https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/495127 ) long back, can you have a look at it and send it upstream
[17:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 495127 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Shutdown/restart dialogs make it unclear whether people should wait (affects: 6)" [Medium,Triaged]
[17:26] <vish> manish: didnt tedg ask you modify it? he _is_ upstream for that ;)
[17:27] <manish> vish, Oops! Oops! it slipped out of my mind :)
[17:27] <jono> Nafai, sorry, back now
[17:27] <Nafai> jono, Pretty good, just a little sleepy hoping I'm not coming down with anything :)
[17:27] <Nafai> me too
[17:27] <jono> ahhh cool :)
[17:28] <jono> get plenty of vitimins
[17:28] <jono> so how is Brasero?
[17:28] <Nafai> pretty good, getting using to GObject code
[17:30] <jono> Nafai, how complete would you say it is?
[17:30] <Nafai> Around 30% or so, probably.  Once I get the proper GObject code in place, using app indicators seems to be pretty straight forward for this case
[17:33] <Nafai> jono: the positive thing is that I've glanced at the code for the new few projects and the resemble either g-c-c or brasero is how they work, so the translation will be easier :)
[17:34] <jono> Nafai, great stuff
[17:35] <jono> Nafai, would be awesome if you could have Brasero done today
[17:35] <Nafai> I'll see what I can do :)
[17:35] <jono> and next week tedg can spend some time fixing the API to resolve the issues you found in the current patches
[17:35] <jono> Nafai, thanks, pal, I appreciate all your efforts
[17:35] <jono> Nafai, looking forward to buying you a pint sometime :)
[17:44] <Nafai> jono, sweet :)
[17:51] <Nafai> uh...maybe I shouldn't have done that update this morning :(
[17:51] <Nafai> for some reason I can't get stuff to show up in the indicator applet
[17:57] <Nafai> jono: When I am patching these files or creating new ones, what is appropriate to do with the copyright/license stuff?  Should I add a copyright line with 2010 and Canonical?
[17:57] <jono> Nafai, yes
[17:58] <Nafai> thanks
[17:58] <Nafai> On brokenness, did I see you mention something last night about the applet not working?
[18:00] <jono> Nafai, yeah, we have brokenness in Lucid right now re. this
[18:00] <jono> kenvandine and tedg are on it
[18:00] <jono> brb, call
[18:01] <Nafai> ok
[18:24] <Nafai> mpt: quick question
[18:24] <mpt> go ahead
[18:25] <Nafai> just making sure, I didn't see anything specifically in the design docs...are sub-menus a problem for app indicator things?
[18:25] <Nafai> I've glanced at some of my upcoming programs, and one is gnome-bluetooth and it uses submenus for each of the devices you have paired
[19:51] <jcastro> Nafai: how's it going today?
[19:52] <jcastro> Nafai: ted won't be able to look at your thing today
[19:52] <jcastro> Nafai: so I guess keep going!
[19:57] <Nafai> jcastro: not bad.  Not as great as yesterday, but at least I'm finally fully awake now ;)
[19:58] <Nafai> I'll be sure to let anyone know if there are blocks with brasero
[19:58] <Nafai> is there anyone in particular that might be helpful if I have gobject questions?
[20:00] <Nafai> I don't have any right now, but I might :)
[20:05] <jcastro> kenvandine: ^^^ ?
[20:05] <jcastro> Nafai: ken will know who!
[20:06] <Nafai> sweet thanks
[20:28] <Nafai> stepping out for a few minutes to get the mail and possibly go to the bank.
[20:36] <Nafai> ok, back
[23:52] <rickspencer3> kwwii, hiya


[00:49] <alb> knome
[01:54] <toms_> I have Xubuntu, LinuxMint, and Manjaro on a Dell GX620.  When grub updates I can't access Manjaro.  Grub shows /boot/intel-ucode.img  but not /boot/initramfs-3.18-x86_64.img
[07:30] <xubuntu42w> anyone with a lenovo T460 out there ?
[07:43] <blingrang> Big problem, just noticed my touchpad has stopped working... Its enabled in settings.
[07:43] <blingrang> dell Inspron 15 3000 series
[07:46] <blingrang> xinput under core pointer shows:
[07:47] <blingrang> Virtual core XTEST pointer and DLL0651:00 06CB:2985
[10:16] <Thomas_> hello
[10:17] <Guest43657> i have a trouble
[10:17] <Guest43657> I can't open software center
[10:17] <Guest43657> when I click it, nothing happen
[10:18] <Guest43657> please help me! thank you very much
[10:18] <Guest43657> because I need install a packet .deb
[11:58] <xubuntu449> hello
[17:02] <Norux> hi guys
[17:04] <pavlushka> Hi Norux
[17:05] <Norux> I have a quick question; I switched from ubuntu and I'm really happy about the faster OS, but I am missing the Menu Bar in the Title of the Window. Is there any option to "re-enable" it or make it appear below the title bar?
[17:07] <flocculant> Norux: which apps - some are gtk3 and don't actually have a 'menu bar'
[17:07] <flocculant> and when you say 'switched' - was that a reinstall or an install of xubuntu-desktop?
[17:08] <flocculant> that might possibly make a difference
[17:11] <Norux> flocculant: I installed xubuntu-desktop.
[17:12] <Norux> flocculant: I am talking about various apps, e.g. Google Chrome, HexChat (although I found a way to enable the title bar here), Thunderbird...
[17:18] <flocculant> not a clue with chrome - but tbird should have one - suspect some odd behaviour if ubuntu was originally installed - did you get rid of ubuntu packages at all?
[17:31] <Norux> flocculant: no I didn't, in case I didn't like xubuntu
[17:33] <flocculant> mmm - well I'm not sure what's causing it - I'd suspect one of the unity packages
[17:33] <Norux> so by default the menu bar is still there??
[17:35] <flocculant> Norux: yup
[17:35] <flocculant> I'd be fairly sure it's whatever makes ubuntu lose menu bars :)
[17:36] <flocculant> especially if you've got both installed
[17:45] <Norux> flocculant: which ubuntu packages can I safely remove?
[17:46] <flocculant> Norux: I can't asnwer that any more - there used to be a site with the information
[17:47] <flocculant> someone else might be able to help you - hang around for a while
[17:47] <Norux> sure
[17:48] <Norux> flocculant: what about that? https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/alternative
[17:49] <flocculant> Norux: never followed that so can't be sure :)
[17:49] <flocculant> *looks* right though
[17:50] <flocculant> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17124722/ is what unity packages I have on a normal(ish) xubuntu
[17:50] <flocculant> ignore the xubuntu stuff :)
[17:52] <flocculant> quick look and it's *not* standard xubuntu being left behind at that site - we use mousepad and don't default with synaptic anymore
[17:52] <shadowLink> flocculant, you're asking about the `File Edit View...`  menus under the title bar of applications right?
[17:52] <flocculant> shadowLink: I'm not asking about anything :)
[17:53] <shadowLink> ah, haha, sorry, Norux
[17:53] <Norux> :D
[17:53] <flocculant> :)
[17:54] <shadowLink> at least for Chrome / Chromium, the menu bar was done away with I believe
[17:55] <shadowLink> you used to be able to access it by hitting -alt-, now across OS's i think it's gone. you can set the title bar to use the system theme in Chrome settings, but no menu bar
[17:56] <Norux> shadowLink: alt doesn't work for me
[17:57] <shadowLink> it will work in browsers like firefox, for Chrome the menu is no longer part of the program
[17:58] <Norux> shadowLink: oh, okay.
[17:58] <Norux> what about thunderbird?
[17:59] <shadowLink> try F10
[18:01] <Norux> shadowLink: hmm, good. But auto showing the menus is not possible
[18:01] <flocculant> from the menu *menu*?
[18:01] <shadowLink> sorry, dont have it installed, if it's not an option in the 'view'  menu probably not
[18:02] <shadowLink> the designers are trying to get away from that menu bar for some reason..
[18:02] <Norux> shadowLink: thanks a lot! Found it!
[18:02] <shadowLink> no problem
[18:03] <Norux> shadowLink: also, is it safe to uninstall ubuntu-mono?
[18:04] <shadowLink> you can use this command to help check
[18:04] <shadowLink> apt-cache rdepends ubuntu-mono
[18:04] <shadowLink> in a terminal, it'll list what packages you have installed are using it.
[18:05] <Norux> shadowLink: so, when uninstalling, those will be not working anymore?
[18:06] <shadowLink> right, or they'll be uninstalled with it since they depend on mono
[18:06] <shadowLink> mono shouldn't cause any harm though, unless you're trying to free up drive space
[18:06] <Norux> shadowLink: what about the other ubuntu packages
[18:08] <shadowLink> the command from the link you posted looked fine to me
[18:08] <Norux> shadowLink: okay thanks ;)
[18:16] <Norux> another simple question: what does this circle button in the title bar do
[18:18] <shadowLink> here's an explination http://askubuntu.com/questions/625746/stick-button-behavior-in-title-bar
[18:18] <shadowLink> also shows how you can get rid of it
[18:18] <Norux> thank you :)
[18:19] <shadowLink> np


[01:29] <StudioUser22> Good Evening
[01:30] <StudioUser22> While not a total Linux, Ubuntu noob, I am relatively new to Element and IRC.  Am I in the correct venue for UbuntuStudio Support?
[01:31] <Eickmeyer> Yes. Can't guarantee answers at this time though.
[01:31] <StudioUser22> Hey, that's ok.  Thanks for responding.
[01:32] <Eickmeyer> !ask
[01:33] <StudioUser22>                                    10-4.. gimme a sec to organize question.
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Ultra Harsh Distortion on Dell USB Soundbar
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Hardware- Dell Optiplex 7050 Mini
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Intel Core i5-7th Gen
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # 32 GB Crucial Ram
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Bus 001 Device 005: ID 413c:a503 Dell Computer Corp. AC511 Sound Bar
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # I found out that if I let distortion sound for a few minutes, it goes away.
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Temporary fix but problem soon returns
[01:55] <StudioUser22> $ pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio --start
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Here are my notes from some of the fixes I've tried from askubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com:
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Step 1
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Tried this, did not resolve issue:
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # From article:
[01:55] <StudioUser22> ----------------------------------------------------
[01:55] <StudioUser22> #I just found the answer to my problem.
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # It seem like this crackling noise when changing volume happens when the audio is resampled. So, in order to find out what is the default sample rate of my sound card:
[01:55] <StudioUser22> pactl list short sinks
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Since it indicates that my USB sound card is 44100 I changed these values to /etc/pulseaudio/daemon.conf
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Actual change:
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Position_fix quirking
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # If this affects your HDA Intel sound card, there are two methods the driver can read the position reports.
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # You can test the two different methods by editing the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file, and add either
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # or
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # After editing the file, reboot your computer for changes to take effect.
[01:55] <StudioUser22> options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2
[01:55] <StudioUser22> # Neither fix worked
[01:58] <Eickmeyer> !paste | StudioUser22
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> That was *not* in one line.
[01:59] <Eickmeyer> !guidelines
[02:00] <Eickmeyer> StudioUser22: Your question is better for the email list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users. NEVER do multiple lines like that in a chat room.
[02:01] <Eickmeyer> !morehelp | StudioUser22 But if you insist on using IRC chat
[02:06] <StudioUser22> Never used IRC chat before in my life.  I was led to Matrix/Element chatroom from https://ubuntustudio.org/support/ page.  The UbuntuStudio page has some message about bridge not working which led me to this IRC channel.
[02:06] <Eickmeyer> That's correct, I'm the one who posted the notice.
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> But that doesn't mean you don't do what the !ask message said (all in one line)
[02:07] <Eickmeyer> Multiple lines doesn't work on IRC.
[02:10] <StudioUser22> I've used UbuntuStudio for at least a few years on my laptop without issue.  But on this computer, I'm going to try Linux Mint XFCE or some other distro until I end with one that works on what's really a very common soundbar.  Thanks Eickmeyer
[02:10] <Eickmeyer> All of that just because I told you not to paste multiple lines, StudioUser22 ?


[00:17] <cjohnston> mhall119: yes
[00:24] <mhall119> it's not using the new font yet?
[00:30] <cjohnston> no :-/
[03:21] <greg-g> does the loco directory Description field accept any kind of formatting? Or does it just display plain text?
[03:21] <greg-g> Like, does it accept markdown/etc?
[05:07] <mhall119> greg-g: just plain text
[05:58] <nigelb> hey jono
[06:01] <jono> hey nigelb
[06:01] <pleia2> http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/03/10/wiki-ubuntu-com-upgrade-update/ wiki update \o/
[06:02] <nigelb> pleia2: I just read that on your blog :)
[06:02]  * nigelb does happy dance
[06:02] <pleia2> :)
[06:02] <pleia2> sorry for not posting about this sooner (the CC has been talking with Canonical about this since last month)
[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <kim0> dholbach: morning
[07:50] <kim0> morning everyone
[07:51] <dholbach> hey kim0
[07:55] <dpm> good morning dholbach, kim0, and all!
[07:56] <kim0> dpm: morning man
[07:56] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:57] <dpm> hey :)
[08:09] <dpm> dholbach, have you got the id of that bug where you requested to support a sane translations layout for sphinx handy?
[08:09] <dholbach> just a sec
[08:09] <dholbach> https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx/issue/561/configuration-option-store-translations-in
[08:09] <dpm> cool, thanks :)
[08:36] <nigelb> morning\o/
[08:42] <kim0> nigelb: morning \o/ :)
[08:47] <nigelb> kim0: Cloud days getting closer :)
[08:47] <kim0> Yeah they are :)
[08:48] <nigelb> w00t
[09:16] <dholbach> dpm, danke für das Followup auf dem Bug
[09:16] <dpm> dholbach, kein Problem :)
[09:16] <dholbach> :)
[09:42] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:52] <kim0> aloha
[09:53] <czajkowski> how are we all today ?
[12:21] <daker> good morning
[12:29] <dpm> hey daker, good morning :)
[12:30] <nigelb> Hola daker
[12:30] <daker> hi
[12:30] <dpm> wohoo! dholbach also rocking fixing i18n bugs (bugs 692150)
[12:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 692150 in gnome-desktop "Untranslated string in a gnome-desktop patch" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692150
[12:31] <dholbach> dpm, it's my patch pilot day
[12:31] <nigelb> you haven't checked in :P
[12:31] <dpm> \m/
[12:32] <dholbach> nigelb, I tried
[12:32] <dholbach> topic was too long
[12:32] <nigelb> ah, arg
[12:44]  * popey chuckles at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654
[12:44] <popey> "We handle that very well, I think, though occasionally some muppet calls Kubuntu the blue-headed-stepchild etc etc."
[12:47] <nigelb> lol
[12:47] <nigelb> I should show this to Riddell tonight :p
[12:47] <popey> i suspect he's seen it :)
[12:48] <nigelb> naw, he's at the conf
[12:49] <nigelb> and there's scratchy connectivity there
[13:15] <AlanBell> I see sabdfl is in a strident mood today
[13:17] <popey> indeed
[13:17] <evilvish> KDE/Kubuntu here we comeeeeeeee!! ;)
[13:17] <popey> not a chance :)
[13:18] <czajkowski> I had to use KDE once already this week
[13:18] <evilvish> hehe, yea, fixing KDE will be a lot harder than fighting with GNOME ;p
[13:18] <czajkowski> and I never want to have to do that again
[13:18] <evilvish> ETOOMANYOPTIONS!
[13:18] <popey> heh
[13:19] <czajkowski> thre was much yelling about how I couldnt find things
[13:19] <AlanBell> Kubuntu lacks the polish of Ubuntu, but it probably wouldn't take that long to fix
[13:19] <czajkowski> and also my buttons were in the wrong place
[13:19] <czajkowski> most flipping annoying
[13:19] <AlanBell> yeah, they would have to put the buttons on the left where they belong :)
[13:20] <czajkowski> exactly
[13:20] <popey> I dont think its polish kde is lacking
[13:20] <evilvish> focus
[13:20] <popey> a desktop that isn't infuriatingly complex to use is what it lacks
[13:21] <czajkowski> aye
[13:26] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:26] <popey> hello duanedesign
[13:28] <czajkowski> ?c
[13:58] <duanedesign> doctormo: ping
[14:28] <dholbach> jcastro,
[14:28] <dholbach>  _   _    _    ____  ______   __  ____ ___ ____ _____ _   _ ____    _ __   ___
[14:28] <dholbach> | | | |  / \  |  _ \|  _ \ \ / / | __ )_ _|  _ \_   _| | | |  _ \  / \\ \ / / |
[14:28] <dholbach> | |_| | / _ \ | |_) | |_) \ V /  |  _ \| || |_) || | | |_| | | | |/ _ \\ V /| |
[14:28] <dholbach> |  _  |/ ___ \|  __/|  __/ | |   | |_) | ||  _ < | | |  _  | |_| / ___ \| | |_|
[14:28] <dholbach> |_| |_/_/   \_\_|   |_|    |_|   |____/___|_| \_\|_| |_| |_|____/_/   \_\_| (_)
[14:28] <dholbach>
[14:28]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[14:41] <jcastro> hah
[14:48] <m4n1sh> jcastro: Happy Birthday
[14:48] <m4n1sh> is it your birthday?
[14:48] <czajkowski> yes 21 again
[14:48] <czajkowski> :p
[14:50] <jcastro> thanks m4n1sh!
[14:51] <m4n1sh> anyone in Jorge's city to hug him ?
[14:53] <jcastro> yep
[14:53] <m4n1sh> who?
[14:54] <czajkowski> whooo 16 teams are now signed up http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/567/detail/
[14:54] <czajkowski> :D
[14:54] <AlanBell> 27
[14:55] <czajkowski> AlanBell: eh ?
[14:55] <czajkowski> 51 people from 16 LoCos and 12 countries are participating in this event!
[14:55] <AlanBell> oh, sorry, I am full of fail
[14:55] <AlanBell> I was trying to do /27 to go to window 27
[14:55] <czajkowski> ahhh
[14:56] <m4n1sh> AlanBell: czajkowski Indian LoCo will participate too. Will be finalized in Monday's monthly LoCo meeting
[14:57] <czajkowski> m4n1sh: great stuff
[14:57] <czajkowski> :D
[14:57] <dholbach> the LD map looks fantastic
[14:57] <czajkowski> the more the merrier
[14:57] <czajkowski> it does
[14:57] <czajkowski> :D
[14:57]  * czajkowski LOVES the LD :D
[15:08] <kim0> jcastro: Happy B-day man :)
[15:08] <jcastro> thanks!
[15:09] <czajkowski> what are the list of yer twitter/identi.ca accounts
[15:09] <czajkowski> the Ubuntu dev ones?
[15:09] <czajkowski> cloud ?
[15:10] <czajkowski> and any video casts. are they all located someonewhere on one wiki page ?
[15:12] <kim0> czajkowski: is this what you want ? http://twitter.com/ubuntucloud http://identi.ca/ubuntucloud
[15:12] <czajkowski> yes thanks
[15:12] <czajkowski> who else has an account like that ?
[15:12] <kim0> http://facebook.com/ubuntucloud
[15:13] <czajkowski> and has a internet show ? be nice to just have them all on one wiki page
[15:13] <czajkowski> case I want to mail loco teams
[15:13] <kim0> czajkowski: I think same accounts s/cloud/dev/
[15:13] <kim0> czajkowski: dpm has accounts too
[15:13] <czajkowski> nods
[15:13] <czajkowski> and dholbach
[15:14] <dpm> czajkowski, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/
[15:16] <czajkowski> dpm: thanks
[15:17] <dpm> the videocast URLs are on this channel's topic
[15:18] <dholbach> czajkowski, thanks for the RT :)
[15:18] <czajkowski> np
[15:18] <czajkowski> I just want to put all of your info including any tv casts yer doing in one place and mail loco contacts
[15:18] <czajkowski> as I RT yer stuff using locoteams tag but also for folks not on twitter it'd be nice to reach to another audience
[15:21] <dpm> +1
[15:24] <kim0> czajkowski: if u need the cloud vids also http://cloud.ubuntu.com/docs/videos/
[15:25] <duanedesign> any wiki-admins here?
[15:25] <dholbach> duanedesign, #canonical-sysadmin maybe?
[15:25] <duanedesign> if ound a page on the Ubuntu wiki full of spam attachments
[15:26] <dholbach> ah yes, they can probably sort that out
[15:26] <duanedesign> thank you kind sir
[15:26] <dholbach> just check in the topic who's "vanguard"
[16:00] <dholbach> getting started now
[16:34] <jono> hey all
[16:36]  * czajkowski hugs jono
[16:37]  * jono hugd czajkowski
[16:37] <jono> I miss you czajkowski, we need to have a call sometime soon :-)
[16:37] <jcastro> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[16:38] <jcastro> someone ask me why I am so happy
[16:38] <czajkowski> jono: I saw we missed outr call last night. I slept
[16:38] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/727823
[16:38] <czajkowski> j	on nthe plus side more teams are signed up for UGJ
[16:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 727823 in gnome-control-center "Enable Gnome-Control-Center in Unity, and add "System Settings" link to the session indicator menu" [Medium,In progress]
[16:38] <czajkowski> I tweeet it once a day
[16:38] <czajkowski> jono: ^^
[16:38] <jcastro> finally, a control center!
[16:38] <jcastro> users, rejoice!
[16:39]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro
[16:39] <czajkowski> Dear OFE please go away and leave me alone before I get cranky and you understand my range!
[16:39] <czajkowski> *RAGE
[16:39] <akgraner> jcastro, you are way too happy.../me goes to find a tranquilizer dart for you...
[16:40] <jcastro> akgraner: it's the simple things akgraner
[16:40] <jcastro> you ever see Zombieland?
[16:40] <akgraner> :-)
[16:40] <jcastro> always enjoy the simple things
[16:40] <jcastro> even if the world turns into a zombie nightmare.
[16:40] <akgraner> I do that's why I am married to pgraner..:-P
[16:40] <czajkowski> akgraner: want a link to AW ?
[16:40] <akgraner> czajkowski, yes please
[16:40]  * czajkowski is going for a lot of BEER tonight
[16:40] <czajkowski> another Redhatter has left and gone to Canonical:)
[16:40] <jcastro> hey, it must be special if czajkowski's going for the beer!
[16:41] <jono> czajkowski, yeah I have been banging the drum about the UGJ a little
[16:41] <czajkowski> jono: the ofe have a way of getting under my skin
[16:41] <czajkowski> jcastro: ^^
[16:41] <jono> czajkowski, don't sweat the small stuff
[16:41] <czajkowski> I've also organised the next docuument freedom day
[16:41] <jono> :-)
[16:42] <jono> czajkowski, they are a bit of a shabby operation
[16:42]  * jcastro organizes czajkowski appreciation day
[16:42] <jono> but good intentions
[16:42] <czajkowski> jono: I've had to deal with one guy for hte last 4 months and suffice to say. he's RUDE!patronising and doesnt like dealing with women
[16:42]  * czajkowski hugs Ubuntu community
[16:42] <czajkowski> much nicer to deal with
[16:44] <czajkowski> akgraner: scp link in pm
[16:45] <akgraner> thanks!
[16:45] <JFo> sad that some dudes are still like that
[16:46] <jcastro> I roll with JFo
[16:46] <jcastro> beer, guitars, and rock music
[16:46] <jcastro> that's what we need more of around here
[16:46] <JFo> jcastro is my homeboy
[16:46] <akgraner> +1 for jcastro 's suggestion
[16:46] <JFo> just sayin'
[16:46]  * JFo gets the guitars and rock music out
[16:47]  * JFo makes a run for the beer
[16:47] <akgraner> JFo you got homeboy's...:-/
[16:47] <JFo> and home girls
[16:47] <JFo> they are all my homeskillets ;-)
[16:47] <akgraner> you mean homeskillet biscuits :-P
[16:47] <JFo> I do indeed
[16:48] <JFo> k, I need food
[16:48] <JFo> back in a bit
[16:57] <mhall119> now I'm hungry too
[16:58] <jcastro> I could use some tacos
[16:58] <mhall119> jcastro: when do you move to florida?
[16:58] <jcastro> august
[16:58] <mhall119> cool, I'll have to have you over for a BBQ
[16:59] <jcastro> we're going to the Boca Raton area
[16:59] <jcastro> whereabouts are you?
[16:59] <mhall119> between tampa and orlando
[16:59] <mhall119> bit of a drive, but we've had people come from further for our team parties
[17:00]  * jcastro doesn't mind driving to release parties and all that
[17:01] <mhall119> I'd like to do another big team party this year like we did in 2009
[17:01] <mhall119> gah
[17:01]  * mhall119 hates online systems that store passwords in clear text
[17:02]  * mhall119 hates it more when said systems email me my password in clear text
[17:19] <dholbach> ok my friends
[17:19] <dholbach> I call it a day
[17:20] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day and see you tomorrow
[17:20]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:20] <czajkowski> toodles
[17:21] <popey> \o/
[17:22] <popey> i really should get rid of that "toodles" hilight
[18:01] <doctormo> pleia2 / maco: Seen this interesting image? http://literatur.deviantart.com/art/ubuntu-women-200131777
[18:02] <pleia2> nope
[18:03] <pleia2> would be interesting to hear the symbolism explained though
[18:05] <doctormo> Classy: http://framli.deviantart.com/art/What-s-an-Oneiric-Ocelot-200066261
[18:09] <popey> if any of you have stackexchange logons, (askubuntu) I'd appreciate an upvote on our uupc advert...
[18:09] <popey> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1089/community-promotion-ads-1h-2011
[18:22] <jcastro> hey popeys
[18:22]  * popey hugs jcastro
[18:22] <popey> yay, we hit 7
[18:23]  * popey tails logs to see when we get incoming links from askubuntu ;)
[18:23] <jcastro> what kind of specs hw-wise do you guys have for pad.ubuntu-uk
[18:23]  * popey points jcastro at Daviey
[18:23] <popey> its his box
[18:23] <jcastro> ah ok
[18:24]  * AlanBell is intrigued that jcastro is asking that question
[18:25] <jcastro> AlanBell: I'm just wondering
[18:25] <jcastro> I've lost all hope of ever getting rid of gobby
[18:25] <AlanBell> why?
[18:26] <jcastro> we seem to be made to suffer</c3po>
[18:26] <AlanBell> it would be trivial to do, nobody uses gobby outside of UDS
[18:26] <AlanBell> put pad links on the schedule and it would just happen
[18:27] <JFo> I think the first question is, Who mandated that we use Gobby?
[18:27] <jcastro> dunno it's always just been there
[18:27] <AlanBell> it was the collaborative editor
[18:28] <jcastro> I used etherpad for a few of my sessions at UDS
[18:28] <AlanBell> and the old version was accessible
[18:28] <jcastro> and no one said anything so *shrug*
[18:28] <jcastro> http://code.google.com/p/gdata-issues/issues/detail?id=2457
[18:28] <nigelb> etherpad is nice if its properly hosted.
[18:28] <AlanBell> new version is silent to screen readers
[18:28] <jcastro> JFo: check out that bug report
[18:28]  * nigelb remembers us killing Daviey's server with AlanBell's lighting talk.
[18:28] <AlanBell> yeah, Daviey had cut the ram to it
[18:28] <JFo> jcastro, do you have the bug number handy?
[18:28]  * JFo sees too many bugs by day :-(
[18:28] <jcastro> http://code.google.com/p/gdata-issues/issues/detail?id=2457
[18:29] <jcastro> ^^^ this one
[18:29] <jcastro> don't worry
[18:29] <jcastro> it's not yours
[18:29] <AlanBell> however primarypad stays up and schools hit that a class at a time
[18:29] <AlanBell> and ietherpad and the old etherpad site
[18:30] <JFo> jcastro, wow
[18:30] <nigelb> AlanBell: yeah, I have an ietherpad account
[18:31] <nigelb> AlanBell: if we could write a plugin to etherpad, that could give access to LP teams like ~pad-admin as admins and ~pad-users as members on a pad, that would just rock
[18:31] <nigelb> we would have list of pads and we could actually use it at UDS.
[18:31]  * nigelb thinks its actually quite plausible.
[18:32] <AlanBell> no need
[18:32]  * popey would avoid ietherpad for no other reason than that they spam you on twitter
[18:33] <AlanBell> I wasn't endorsing ietherpad, just declaring it to exist
[18:33] <AlanBell> why do you need admin access to a pad? what does that even mean?
[18:33] <nigelb> I wasn't endorsing ietherpad, just "etherpad" as a product
[18:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: admins can delete etc
[18:34] <AlanBell> well that could be done, but I don't see the need for it
[18:34] <nigelb> AlanBell: have you got a pro account on any of the pad hosting thingies like ietherpad?
[18:34] <popey> yes
[18:34] <popey> i have a pro account on a few pads
[18:34] <AlanBell> I don't have a pro account
[18:34] <popey> i dont see the need for access controls either
[18:34] <AlanBell> I only really use pad.ubuntu-uk.org
[18:34] <nigelb> Yeah, the good thing, which I thingk popey blogged about, is when you have a pro pad, you get to see pad list
[18:34] <popey> there are none on gobby and that's worked
[18:34] <nigelb> that's all.
[18:34] <popey> yup
[18:35] <popey> but if people name the pads sensibly thats a non issue
[18:35] <nigelb> or
[18:35] <popey> and if they link to them in irc channels (bots could do this)
[18:35] <nigelb> if we worked pad names into summit
[18:35] <popey> its just an http link
[18:35] <nigelb> that'd work too
[18:35] <nigelb> exactly
[18:35] <popey> i think you're overthinking it
[18:35] <popey> 1) put up pad
[18:35] <popey> 2) use it
[18:35] <popey> 3) ???
[18:35] <popey> 4) profit!
[18:35] <nigelb> spread lik
[18:36] <nigelb> *link
[18:36] <nigelb> popey: I agree.  I'm overthinking.
[18:36] <Daviey> jcastro, Were you at the UDS session last time regarding etherpad?
[18:37] <nigelb> I wonder if its actually in debian yet
[18:37] <Daviey> nigelb, it aint.
[18:37] <Daviey> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576998
[18:37] <ubot2> Debian bug 576998 in wnpp "ITP: etherpad -- web based collaborative real-time editor" [Wishlist,Open]
[18:37] <AlanBell> it would be a trivial patch to summit to make pad links on all the sessions
[18:38] <nigelb> AlanBell: yeah, very trivial.
[18:38] <AlanBell> and yes, the session on it at UDS was rather negative
[18:38] <popey> where did the negativity come from?
[18:38] <Daviey> *cough* not us *cough*
[18:39] <nigelb> I just met a few debian folks today
[18:39] <nigelb> let me talk to them tomorrow if they can help me package this giant
[18:39] <AlanBell> I don't recall names, but the feeling seemed to be that gobby is packaged, etherpad isn't therefore we won't change anything
[18:39] <popey> i think Daviey had a go at it some while back
[18:40] <AlanBell> quite why a single server instance requires packaging I don't know
[18:40] <nigelb> Daviey: can help me if I get stuck? :)
[18:40] <jcastro> Daviey: how hard is it to spin up etherpad?
[18:40] <evilvish> we could just have the package in Ubuntu, it is not necessary it has to be in Debian
[18:40] <nigelb> AlanBell: well, think of wiki update and how it would be easy if it was apt-get update
[18:40] <jcastro> I don't get why we just don't fire off an EC2 instance of it and rock it
[18:41] <Daviey> popey, Yeah.. but i didn't have enough time to make suitable for upload
[18:41] <AlanBell> nigelb: wouldn't help at all, because the problem is that they hacked it about too much. the wiki *is* packaged.
[18:41] <nigelb> Its not necessary, but its duplication of work.  I'd prefer working as upstream as possible.
[18:41] <Daviey> There is /possibly/ some licence issues
[18:41] <nigelb> AlanBell: exactly.
[18:41] <popey> http://apt.etherpad.org
[18:41] <Daviey> The upstream code ships some binary.
[18:41] <popey> http://apt.etherpad.org/binary-i386/
[18:41] <nigelb> I've done some work on etherpad some time back, probably should take a shot.
[18:42] <popey> (result of me googling etherpad debian package)
[18:42] <popey> http://mclear.co.uk/2010/03/10/installing-etherpad-on-debian/
[18:42]  * Daviey has commit access to upstream, so i can land fixes :)
[18:42] <popey> :)
[18:42] <AlanBell> so it might not be dfsg clean and ready to sit in debian testing for a few years to mature
[18:42]  * nigelb remembers he can poke Daviey for upstream pull requests :D
[18:43] <nigelb> AlanBell: hrm, that means direct to Ubuntu or PPA isn't such a bad idea.
[18:43] <Daviey> jcastro, I would suggest allowing session leaders to pick gobby vs non-canonical hosted etherpad.
[18:43] <AlanBell> I don't think that addresses the concerns that were raised, but I wasn't in the room
[18:43] <jcastro> Daviey: well for my sessions I just picked etherpad last time
[18:44] <jcastro> but the gobby server was also not working
[18:44] <Daviey> jcastro, Well - we can put auto generated URL's into summit for the sessions..
[18:44] <Daviey> eventually, it'll catch on :)
[18:44] <Daviey> jcastro, Have you seen etherpad hash tagging?
[18:44] <AlanBell> and prepopulate the pages with hash tags
[18:44] <jcastro> no
[18:44] <Daviey> AlanBell, jinxx
[18:44] <AlanBell> great minds :)
[18:45] <jcastro> Daviey: well, see what IS thinks and guarantee me that it won't explode and I'll propose the idea to jono
[18:45]  * popey wonders if we could use uds.ubuntu-uk.org as the host for it ;)
[18:45] <Daviey> jcastro, last time it was discussed at UDS, - IS - were the nackers
[18:45] <AlanBell> if you put #UbuntuTheProject in a pad it will auto link that to a search URL returning all pads tagged thusly
[18:46] <jcastro> Daviey: well we should ask
[18:46]  * evilvish gah! got tricked by popey and thought that page uds.ubuntu-uk.org existed ;p
[18:46] <Daviey> evilvish, give me 5 mins... :)
[18:46] <popey> :)
[18:46] <evilvish> \o/
[18:47] <Daviey> i'm not going to... :)
[18:48] <Daviey> AlanBell, fancy making a branch for summit to auto link to a settings.ETHERPAD-URL + "/" + session title ?
[18:49] <AlanBell> sure
[18:49] <AlanBell> in a couple of days
[18:49] <jcastro> hey
[18:49] <Daviey> Don't know if we can merge it, but if the code is there we are a step there
[18:49] <jcastro> is it possible
[18:49] <jcastro> to have a page that lists all the pages?
[18:49] <jcastro> but broken down by hashtag?
[18:49] <jcastro> god, that would be awesome
[18:49] <Daviey> jcastro, yes
[18:49] <AlanBell> that would be summit
[18:49] <nigelb> with summit, we can do cool stuff :D
[18:49] <Daviey> #uds-o #server
[18:49] <AlanBell> summit then becomes the index to the pages
[18:50] <AlanBell> as well as the multiple hashtag things in the pad server itself
[18:50] <nigelb> and the bot can query summit and announce over IRC.
[18:50] <Daviey> nigelb, Fancy investigating how feasible it would be to encode a list of hash tags that the pad should be pre-populated with?
[18:50] <nigelb> Daviey: yup, can do.  will coordinate with AlanBell.
[18:51] <Daviey> nigelb, http://pad.example.org/some-page?tags=uds-o,desktop,etc would be AWESOME.
[18:51] <nigelb> oh what the hell, I'll look right now.
[18:51] <AlanBell> we can set it all up and point at pad.ubuntu-uk.org for testing and then point it somewhere else later
[18:51] <popey> people use pad. though
[18:51] <popey> better not to mess with one that people are actually using?
[18:52] <Daviey> Anyone know of somone good with css ?
[18:52] <nigelb> o/ not great, but can manage a bit
[18:52] <AlanBell> popey: I wasn't talking about messing with the pad, just with summit
[18:52] <popey> oh
[18:52] <popey> sorry my bad
[18:52] <Daviey> nigelb, Well if you want to take on more work :), fancy trying to hack up a nice ubuntu-ish theme? :)
[18:52] <AlanBell> just creating regular pages on the pad
[18:52] <nigelb> Daviey: ooooooh, yes yes.  I can poke at that too.
[18:52] <Daviey> (i'd like to land that on pad.ubuntu-uk.org at least nigelb )
[18:53] <nigelb> I have the source of etherpad sitting right here on the laptop :)
[18:53] <nigelb> Daviey: yeah, that'd rock.  Though I thought you ran trunk on pad.ubuntu-uk.org
[18:53] <cjohnston> All you summit talkers need to attend the summit global jam event: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/729/detail/
[18:53] <nigelb> Daviey: did you get those fixes I landed.  I think 2 or 3 bug fixes.
[18:53] <Daviey> nigelb, uh?
[18:54] <jcastro> Daviey: oh hey did you guys sort the mobile client thing with davidm?
[18:54] <nigelb> Daviey: I did have a fix for the 'undefined' problem
[18:54] <cjohnston> Still waiting on a call for the mobile client last i heard
[18:54] <Daviey> nigelb, did someone commit that?
[18:54]  * jcastro acks
[18:54] <nigelb> Daviey: yup
[18:54] <nigelb> Daviey: redhog did
[18:54] <popey> ooooo
[18:54] <Daviey> jcastro, Think so, it is progressing.
[18:54] <AlanBell> nigelb: cool, the undifined window title is annoying
[18:54] <popey> i would _love_ to be able to use etherpad on $unnamed_tablet_shaped_device
[18:54] <nigelb> AlanBell: yeah :)
[18:55] <jcastro> Daviey: man when that's sorted we'll print out QR codes of the schedule and put them around the venue
[18:55] <nigelb> jcastro: omg, that's awesome
[18:55] <jcastro> scan, BLAM, UDS Schedule. FTW.
[18:55] <nigelb> we're dreaming big baby :)
[18:55] <jcastro> @popey keybuk used summit on unnamed tablet device
[18:55] <AlanBell> jcastro: QR codes, check, can do.
[18:55] <jcastro> and then accidentally multitouched and ruined the schedule
[18:56] <jcastro> so he reverted it and removed himself from summit admin, heh
[18:56] <nigelb> lol
[18:56] <cjohnston> jcastro: opinion on bug 731443 please
[18:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 731443 in ubuntu-website "photo slide show on uds.u.c goes too fast" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731443
[18:56] <popey> jcastro: not etherpad he didnt
[18:56] <Daviey> jcastro, since then, people have to click 'edit'..
[18:57] <jcastro> popey: I meant summit
[18:57] <AlanBell> QR code to the pad URL on the paper that gets printed and stuck to the doors would be cool
[18:57] <popey> etherpad is broken on safari mobile
[18:57] <popey> oh
[18:57] <jcastro> AlanBell: oh man
[18:57] <popey> summit i care less about :)
[18:57] <Daviey> jcastro, admins used to always hae the edit view
[18:57] <jcastro> Daviey: yeah
[18:57] <nigelb> finally, something broken on iphone that popey does admit to.
[18:57]  * nigelb runs.  Fast.
[18:57] <jcastro> AlanBell: I think just a QR code on the root summit.ubuntu.com/uds-whatever is fine
[18:57] <jcastro> and that subs people to the schedule
[18:57] <jcastro> cjohnston: want me to try it?
[18:58] <cjohnston> jcastro: if your interested, the fix can be put into the branch...
[18:58] <cjohnston> want your opinion of the speed... should it be slower, if so, what speed
[18:59] <jcastro> welll, I can inline the thing right in the div right?
[18:59] <jcastro> the speed=1000
[18:59] <jcastro> it looks like I can
[18:59] <cjohnston> prolly
[18:59] <popey> hahah nigelb I said unnamed device ;)
[18:59]  * jcastro tries it
[18:59] <popey> oh, damn, i said safari
[18:59] <cjohnston> but when we push the next theme update, it will be erased
[18:59] <nigelb> popey: hahaha :D
[18:59] <cjohnston> which i about have another theme update ready
[18:59] <jcastro> oh ok
[18:59] <jcastro> cjohnston: I have no opinions on the sliding of the photos, whatever you all think is best
[19:00] <cjohnston> dont leave me in charge :-P
[19:00] <AlanBell> wow, most things are broken on mobile safari!
[19:00] <jcastro> cjohnston: then just do what laura says, shrug
[19:00] <nigelb> hehe
[19:00] <cjohnston> thats worse :-P Hopefully cztab isnt around
[19:01] <cjohnston> thanks jcastro
[19:01] <cjohnston> jcastro: any objection to bug 709395
[19:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709395 in ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-wordpress-theme "uds.ubuntu.com needs the use the Ubuntu font" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709395
[19:02] <jcastro> \o/
[19:02] <cjohnston> I'll take that as a no
[19:02] <jcastro> heh
[19:02] <AlanBell> that isn't the ubuntu fone
[19:02] <AlanBell> font
[19:02] <AlanBell> it is lucida grande
[19:02] <evilvish> huh, ubuntu fone
[19:03] <evilvish> wouldnt be a bad idea ;p
[19:03] <cjohnston> ugh.. thats the wrong bug..
[19:03] <cjohnston> that bugs already fixxed
[19:03] <nigelb> I think there is a Kubuntu fone.
[19:03] <cjohnston> sorry.. jcastro any objection to bug 732373
[19:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732373 in ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-wordpress-theme "Add Global Menu to uds.ubuntu.com" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732373
[19:03] <cjohnston> thats the one i meant
[19:03]  * AlanBell goes to poke at bug 709395
[19:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709395 in ubuntu-community-webthemes/light-wordpress-theme "uds.ubuntu.com needs the use the Ubuntu font" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709395
[19:04] <jcastro> ok so which menu is this
[19:04] <jcastro> the orangeish ones or the ones top right on planet?
[19:05] <cjohnston> top right
[19:05] <cjohnston> Ubuntu.com Community Support Partners
[19:05] <jcastro> yeah that would be slick
[19:05] <cjohnston> which those links should be changing soon
[19:05]  * jcastro nods
[19:05] <cjohnston> ok.. great.
[19:05] <cjohnston> Thanks jcastro
[19:05] <jcastro> are the contents of that menu maintained in one place?
[19:05] <jcastro> or is it just one more thing to update on each site?
[19:06] <cjohnston> one more thing.. im working with the team to make it one
[19:06] <cjohnston> like an include
[19:06]  * jcastro nods
[19:07] <AlanBell> so is the lack of ubuntu font on quite a lot of uds.ubuntu.com now a content issue rather than a css issue?
[19:08] <jcastro> <-- late lunching, be back in 45
[19:09] <cjohnston> no luinch for you
[19:09] <cjohnston> lunch
[19:10] <Daviey> nigelb, Are you sure your undefined fix has landed?
[19:10] <Daviey> what was the commit id?
[19:10] <cjohnston> AlanBell: its an issue of not being pushed yet
[19:10] <cjohnston> the font was only half way implemented
[19:10] <nigelb> Daviey: hang on.
[19:10] <cjohnston> i added the fix yesterday
[19:10] <cjohnston> just waiting for some more code to be ready to push live
[19:12] <nigelb> Daviey: oh hell, missed the title.  I caught the undefined in the email
[19:12] <nigelb> Daviey: let me quickly fix this
[19:15] <JFo> wait, is it written in python? ;-P
[19:15] <AlanBell> Java
[19:15] <nigelb> java and scala
[19:15] <Pici> I got the joke ;)
[19:15] <nigelb> ugh, github now confuses me
[19:16] <nigelb> do I pull from actual origin, i.e. the project's master so my fork is uptodate
[19:16] <nigelb> or is there a clicky to make my fork up-to--date
[19:16] <nigelb> Daviey: ^^
[19:17] <nigelb> Oooooooh, btw, good laugh with Riddell about the muppet thing
[19:17] <Daviey> nigelb, I think rebasing your branch against trunk is always a good idea, but providing it is a small change - the commit should be safge regardless
[19:17] <Daviey> JFo, Funny you say that... there is a python style etherpad project, but not open source aiui.
[19:17] <JFo> :)
[19:18] <nigelb> Daviey: I have to add a new remote to the trunk and do this right? I can't find a clicky.
[19:29] <Daviey> nigelb, I have NFI :)
[19:29] <nigelb> Daviey: lolz
[19:29] <Daviey> <-- not a big githib user.
[19:30] <nigelb> <-- big github user and still has NFI.
[19:32] <JFo> while I simply have NFI about most things
[19:32] <JFo> :)
[19:34] <popey> \o/ NFI club
[20:06] <doctormo> duanedesign: pong
[20:32] <nigelb> Daviey: OMG, ok. Finally.
[20:32] <nigelb> Daviey: its *NOT* a bug
[20:32] <Daviey> nigelb, a config option :)
[20:33] <nigelb> Daviey: Right.
[20:33] <nigelb> Daviey: I spent a while trying to get up-to-date code and then figure out where that change happens :p
[20:33] <nigelb> Daviey: go fix it :P
[20:34] <Daviey> nigelb, yeah, i'm using a legacy config file
[20:34] <Daviey> :/
[20:34] <nigelb> can't you just use the new one?
[20:35] <nigelb> Daviey: is it possible to run it while making changes?
[20:36] <nigelb> actually, while creating the theme.
[20:39] <nigelb> omg, its jorge's birthday
[20:39] <nigelb> jcastro: HAPPY BIRTHDAY
[20:39] <jcastro> ta
[20:41] <nigelb> Daviey: investigation done.
[20:41] <nigelb> Daviey: can be done in theme.
[20:42] <nigelb> A little bit of JS magic and we can work it out.
[20:43] <nigelb> Do you want that worked into a new Ubuntu theme?
[20:51] <Daviey> nigelb, nah, KISS
[20:51] <Daviey> nigelb, I can change some stuff without restarting
[20:51] <Daviey> ... but not everything
[20:53] <nigelb> Daviey: :)
[20:54] <Daviey> nigelb, Ideally - this should be generic theme that can be committed upstream
[20:54] <Daviey> ... and eventually, perhaps the default theme for the etherpad ubuntu packages :)
[20:58] <nigelb> Daviey: ah, in that case we can go the plugin way for what you asked earlier.


[23:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc[m]: In the case that you see this too: https://termbin.com/ej1f is where we are on the summaries. Should be done better than what is :(


[15:23] <bdmurray> cjwatson: do you have any ideas about bug 1260107?
[15:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1260107 in system-config-kickstart (Ubuntu) "trusty version experiences a runtime error due to hwdata changes" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1260107
[15:26] <cjwatson> I haven't looked at that package for years ...
[15:27] <cjwatson> Video drivers probably aren't actually very useful in our configuration so maybe that should just be hacked out with a chainsaw


[20:12] <chilts> mornign
[20:12] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:13] <ibeardslee> ha beat you
[20:13] <chilts> :)
[20:13] <chilts> not in my window you didn't :-p
[20:13] <ibeardslee> 08:12 < chilts> mornign
[20:13] <ibeardslee> 08:12 < ibeardslee> morning
[20:13] <chilts> wow, we were a chatty lot yesterday
[20:13] <chilts> 20:12:55 < chilts> mornign
[20:13] <chilts> 20:12:59 < ibeardslee> morning
[20:13] <chilts> 4 seconds quicker :)
[20:13] <ibeardslee> but I spelt it right ;)
[20:13] <chilts> though I did spell 'morning' incorrectly, so my entry is obviously wrong :)
[20:13] <chilts> indeed
[20:14] <chilts> you beat me that time too
[20:14] <chilts> ah well ... maybe I should just go home
[20:14]  * ibeardslee note his one win for the day
[20:14] <ibeardslee> bugger
[20:14] <chilts> I should have posted when I was on the train earlier ... then you wouldn't have beaten me :)
[20:14]  * ibeardslee notes his one win for the day
[20:14] <chilts> heh
[20:15] <chilts> wait ... what you pasted from your window shows that I beat you!!!
[20:15] <ibeardslee> you beat me to 'mornign' .. .. I beat you to 'morning'
[20:16] <chilts> ok, I concede :)
[20:16]  * ibeardslee regresses to a 5yo
[20:16] <chilts> heh
[20:17] <chilts> in other news, what's happening in Ubuntu land these days ... I only seem to catch up every 2 years when LTS comes out :)
[20:18] <ibeardslee> the oneiric beta seems to be coming along nicely
[20:19] <Atamira> morning
[20:20] <ibeardslee> although it does seem to be a bit more like that 'saying' .. Ubuntu, that ancient African word meaning "Can't install Debian"
[20:21] <ibeardslee> as it seems to be less tools available by default to tweak the system
[20:30] <ajmitch> morning
[20:54] <mwhudson> morning
[21:17] <hads> Morning
[23:05] <hads> Xen hypervisor has been re-introduced to Ubuntu Server.


[02:17] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-beginners, charlie-tca said: !no, dualboot is Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[02:19] <charlie-tca> Kind of a minor change for the dual boot windows link
[06:21] <nhandler> charlie-tca: Fixed
[06:25]  * rww ponders LjL
[10:49] <nigelb> what appened to LjL? :)
[10:49] <nigelb> *happened
[10:50] <Tm_T> nigelb: he's guest now, why asking?
[10:51] <nigelb> Tm_T: I meant, the nick changes :D
[10:52] <Tm_T> ah, simply he hasn't identified himself
[10:52] <nigelb> ah.
[10:54] <Tm_T> ah indeed (;)
[16:29] <vish> rww: ^ someone has realised their ban has been lifted ;)
[17:44] <ubot2> antii called the ops in #ubuntu-se ()
[18:53] <DJones> Can somebody keep an eye on share1 in #ubuntu, looks like they're posting some dodgy/non-coc safe links
[18:54] <DJones> And now said they're going to join -offtopic
[19:08] <Pici> DJones: I warned them earlier about this.


[01:47] <jphilips> bluesabre: Ctrl+Escape doesn't work to open the whisker menu, though set https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/blob/master/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml#L12
[01:48] <bluesabre> Seems to work here?
[01:53] <jphilips> works fine for me in 20.04 and 21.04, but in an installed 21.04, it shows up as xfdesktop --menu
[01:54] <jphilips> i guess this must be a symptom of nothing retaining what it should after installation
[01:55] <jphilips> and 21.04 live cd*
[01:55] <jphilips> just like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1910872
[01:55] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1910872 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "desktop icon tooltips set to 128" [Undecided, New]
[01:56] <jphilips> and the recent changes you did of the thunar toolbar and the desktop settings are also not found after installation
[01:58] <jphilips> when you get a chance, i have three pull requests https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pulls
[02:46] <jphilips> bluesabre: did you make any decision of whether we'd include the qt5 libraries by default
[03:51] <JackFrost> We really shouldn't be shipping any Qt...
[05:15] <jphilips> what is the reasoning behind that, as users will install qt apps. i have qbittorent, telegram, and zoom to name a few qt apps installed. ubuntu ships qt libs
[05:21] <JackFrost> 1. https://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/xsd.html#xsd-seeds-composition  2. It's a bit pointless to pull in Qt libraries when no Qt applications are seeded.  3. Users *may* install Qt applications, not *will* so that's worded improperly.  4. qt5-gtk2-platformtheme itself is rather unmaintained, a git snapshot from early 2017 and not a single commit since.  It works for now, but given it uses GTK2
[05:21] <JackFrost> to work and that's seen its last release...Yeah.
[05:21] <JackFrost> jphilips: Remember: What you do on your desktop will differ from what others do, it's really not the end of the world to have to install a few packages here and there.
[05:23] <jphilips> guess i should have given more context, i had suggested that we do includes some qt apps by default and also suggested that we improve the out of the box experience/theming of qt apps as well
[05:24] <JackFrost> Again, having to install applications isn't the end of the world...  Can you give a specific reason why it must be shipped?
[05:28] <jphilips> nothing must be installed, which xubuntu core clearly shows, but we pre-install things to improve the out of box user experience for users, similar to how we tweak settings
[05:30] <JackFrost> That seems very subjective, and doesn't seem to answer "Why Qt?"
[05:38] <jphilips> as there aren't any gtk versions of the apps that i was recommending and users have to jump through hoops to theme qt apps
[05:39] <JackFrost> 'apt install' doesn't exactly seem like 'jumping through hoops', but I guess we differ on that.
[05:40] <jphilips> for apps maybe not but for theming very much so
[05:41] <JackFrost> Like I said, for theming it's just to install that one compatibility package, so yes there too.  The best option would be to find a Qt theme that matches, or supports both GTK and Qt, though not sure where one would find that.
[05:43] <jphilips> bluesabre mentioned qt5-style-plugins as the package we needed to use and also some configs would need to be set to make it work
[05:44] <jphilips> the qt apps i recommended we have were keepassxc as a password manager and telegram as a chat client to replace pidgin
[05:45] <jphilips> everything is listed here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/145vm29WnxgYm4Y_8guaGDAblZT5sRjZ3jhKRktgX1No/edit#gid=0
[05:45] <JackFrost> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/blob/master/etc/X11/Xsession.d/56xubuntu-session#L5
[09:24] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-taskmanager 1.4.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-taskmanager-1-4-1-released-tp59860.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[12:10] <bluesabre> jphilips: Since we ship apturl, I think I'd be more interested in having a wiki page or a welcome app to make it easy for users to install those additional apps and libraries. We've always been conservative about the number of apps we include, expanding the list only when there is a significant need identified.
[12:10] <bluesabre> The two points from the strategy document are pretty clear: 1. The package should use the GTK toolkit. 2. The package should not pull in heavy libraries, especially if they will run and/or start frequently.
[12:12] <bluesabre> The main communication method for Xubuntu is IRC. I do think pidgin is less useful today, so I'd be in favor of a proposal to replace pidgin with hexchat, especially if we could preconfigure it with the #xubuntu channel.
[12:13] <jphilips> i did propose adding hexchat and yes it is possible to configure it to work with #xubuntu. mint does that.
[12:13] <bluesabre> Right
[12:14] <jphilips> though IRC is the main communication removing pidgin for hexchat is a downgrade in usability and functionality
[12:17] <jphilips> I start the welcome app on github, so how to move it under the xubuntu account/team/etc.
[12:19] <jphilips> what about the issue of qt app theming being preconfigured, which does pull in the qt libs
[12:22] <bluesabre> That's the problem, it pulls in qt libraries.
[12:22] <bluesabre> We chose not to include it in the past for that very reason.
[12:23] <jphilips> heavy meaning memory or disk space
[12:24] <jphilips> with the qt5 theming, the libraries would only be utilized once a user installs a qt app, or am i mistaken
[12:29] <bluesabre> Heavy meaning disk space. Their inclusion uses disk space with no benefit to users not utilizing QT apps. But I think it's more that first point that is disqualifying. We only want apps (and libraries) using the GTK toolkit because anything else eats up space unnecessarily.
[12:31] <bluesabre> GTK is a part of the Xubuntu strategy doc. We've done well sticking to it since we started, we should continue to do so while we have a good package selection and there is a good selection of GTK apps that could still fill any gaps.
[12:32] <jphilips> okey dokey
[12:32] <jphilips> any recommendations for a good gtk password manager and communication app
[12:33] <jphilips> and how to make the qt app theming easy for users to do
[12:33] <bluesabre> apturl:qt5-styles-plugin link in the wiki or website
[12:33] <bluesabre> communication app: hexchat
[12:34] <bluesabre> password manager: seahorse, maybe https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/08/password-safe-keepass-linux-manager
[12:34] <bluesabre> or the built in option Firefox includes, or one of the many online options
[12:34] <bluesabre> I use 1password :)
[12:36] <bluesabre> btw, I pushed xubuntu-hello up to the xubuntu github for folks to hack on, https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-hello
[12:36] <jphilips> proposed seahorse be pre-installed, but its for PGP and SSH keys
[12:37] <jphilips> best to have an offline password manager, as browser and online ones are not as secure, and online ones don't work without internet
[12:37] <bluesabre> It does passwords too, click the back arrow to see https://imgur.com/7ZhLqC0.png
[12:39] <bluesabre> If I don't have internet, I lose 99% of the things I enter passwords for
[12:39] <jphilips> this is what mine looks like, don't see any down arrow - https://imgur.com/N62USom.png
[12:40] <bluesabre> From that screen, you can add passwords
[12:40] <bluesabre> It doesn't do generation, so there's that
[12:40] <jphilips> do you mean this https://imgur.com/6ZMV81Z.png
[12:41] <bluesabre> Yes
[12:42] <jphilips> not a good UX to not have a username field and doubt it easy to move the passwords around once stored
[12:43] <bluesabre> https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.gnome.PasswordSafe actually looks pretty nice
[12:44] <jphilips> definitely is, it has a username field :D
[12:45] <jphilips> isn't in the repo
[12:46] <bluesabre> Yup, but it does seem like there's at least one good gtk version out there, so if we need to fill that gap, we can.
[12:50] <jphilips> does flatpaks, like snaps, pull in a huge amount of library files
[13:01] <bluesabre> Yes. Snaps and flatpaks both require common runtime libraries. So if you have a flatpak that requires the Gtk 3.22 toolkit, you have a Gtk 3.22 common flatpak that also gets installed.
[13:01] <bluesabre> It's not as messy as it was at the beginning, but adding a single flatpak to a system can require a bit of space.
[13:55] <krytarik> Commenting while I'm still going through the backlog,.. while it's true that on HexChat one can specify a default channel through patching, the latter is also the reason why there can only be one per distro, similar to other IRC clients in the archive, and I believe in Ubuntu it's still set to #ubuntu..
[14:11] <jphilips> installed hexchat on 21.04 and this is how it looks https://imgur.com/WwiCK2q.png
[14:12] <jphilips> it doesn't have any autojoin channels set
[14:14] <krytarik> It's more like a first start thing though, not sure if it also gets set as an autojoin channel and on what network.
[14:14] <jphilips> we would only need to bundle our own ~/.config/hexchat/servlist.conf file
[14:16] <jphilips> and add #xubuntu to the J line https://imgur.com/7OWWM2B.png
[14:34] <jphilips> created an issue for it https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/12
[14:34] <ubot3> Issue 12 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Bundle Hexchat" [Open]
[15:16] <brainwash> wouldn't a simple URL link do the job?
[15:16] <brainwash> link to the web irc page
[15:20] <jphilips> the xubuntu documentation has a link like that but native apps would be the preference over web browser
[15:46] <brainwash> why though?
[15:47] <brainwash> the web browser is the main application
[18:12] <jphilips> less resources, better UX, works even when the browser is closed


[00:16]  * BUGabundo thinks about abandoning kmail. every dev is either a sleep or busy with other stuff, to help me just check source
[00:18] <mrooney> BUGabundo: thunderbird doesn't cut it for you?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> nope
[00:18] <BUGabundo> I love kmail its my fab mail client
[00:18] <BUGabundo> but kde4 is to unstable
 gnome </cough>
[00:23] <yuriy> BUGabundo: keep in mind you are on alpha packages of a beta
[00:23] <BUGabundo> I use gnome too bcurtiswx
[00:23] <BUGabundo> and a bunch of kde apps
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> evolution?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> if anything fails with that integrantion ill file bugs
[00:23] <BUGabundo> evo is a great PIM
[00:23] <BUGabundo> but poor email client
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> haha
[00:23] <BUGabundo> kmail is really good
[00:23] <BUGabundo> believe me
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> what makes one better than the other?
[00:24] <bcurtiswx> it gives me my mail.. and send my mail out
[00:24] <bcurtiswx> what else am i supposed to want?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> ok, mine currently doesn't allow me to send mail out for some folder, some +1 on evo LOL
[00:25] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: it's the experience I guess
[00:26] <bcurtiswx> can't disagree i guess
[06:18] <kwall> moin
[06:20] <kwall> Is there a package against which Ubuntu web site bugs can be filed? See, for example,  bug  377667.
[06:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377667 in ubuntu "Ubuntu sites need multiple registrations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377667
[06:40] <pperera> can anyone point me in the right direction for troubleshooting system speaker 'beeps'
[06:41] <kwall> pperera: what's the trouble, exactly?
[06:43] <pperera> was just doing some coding on my laptop and for some reason on a periodic basis the speakers sounding out 3 tones
[06:43] <pperera> trying to find some troubleshooting documentation that might describe what they mean
[06:43] <kwall> battery going dead?
[06:44] <pperera> currently on AC
[06:44] <pperera> and battery is 100%
[06:45] <kwall> ionic bombardment is my stock explanation for non-deterministic behavior ;)
[06:45] <kwall> Is the periodicity regular?
[06:47] <pperera> yea ~ 25sec
[06:48] <pperera> from the end of the 3rd tone to the start of the 1st in the next period
[06:55] <kwall> Is the pcspkr module loaded and if so does it stop if you unload it?
[07:00] <pperera> no unloading it doesnt help
[07:00] <kwall> Suck. Nothing useful in the system log, I presume?
[07:04] <pperera> nothing that i can determine
[07:05] <jmarsden> pperera: Some systems beep when they are overheating... did your CPU fan just fail??
[07:09] <YoBoY> hi
[07:09] <kwall> moin YoBoY
[07:09] <pperera> no fan is still spinning
[07:11] <kwall> pperera: (SWAG) maybe bug 279187?
[07:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 279187 in usplash "regression: usplash causes system to beep aloud" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279187
[07:11] <kwall> I'm just poking through Launchpad to see if other folks have reported similar probs
[07:12] <pperera> yea same
[07:14] <jmarsden> pperera: You could also try booting from a LiveCD and see if it still beeps... might determine if this is a software config issue or something lower level doing the beeping?
[07:14] <YoBoY> it's caused by the nvidia driver?
[07:17] <kwall> I'm sticking with my original diagnosis. Ionic bombardment.
[07:18] <YoBoY> kwall: have you found the ubuntu website project on LP ?
[07:19] <kwall> YoBoY: not yet
[07:19] <YoBoY> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[07:19] <YoBoY> perhaps...
[07:19] <kwall> Wow, I'm blind.
[07:19] <YoBoY> sure :)
[07:27] <kwall> YoBoY: thanks
[07:27] <YoBoY> you're welcome :)
[07:28] <kwall> Just a metric buttload of bugs in LP.
[07:44] <pperera> weird the beeping stopped
[10:22] <askand> Can someone "read" backtraces and understand what happens here? http://pastebin.com/m372f5108
[10:26] <kklimonda> askand: can you reproduce it?
[10:27] <kklimonda> well, you probably can if you are running it under gdb
[10:27] <askand> kklimonda: yep
[10:27] <askand> kklimonda: well, it happens "randomly" so it is not really reproduce I guess
[10:28] <kklimonda> heh..
[10:30] <kklimonda> askand: what version?
[10:31] <askand> kklimonda: 1.61-0ubuntu0~jaunty0 e.g the one from transmission PPA
[10:31] <kklimonda> askand: also before you run it gdb set it:
[10:31] <kklimonda> handle SIGPIPE nostop noprint nopass
[10:31] <kklimonda> transmission ppa?
[10:32] <kklimonda> do you have a link?
[10:32] <askand> kklimonda: ok before I type "run"?
[10:32] <kklimonda> yes
[10:33] <askand> kklimonda: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/transmissionbt/ubuntu <ubuntu_release_name> main
[10:33] <askand> kklimonda: I downloaded deluge in the meantime but I will try  handle SIGPIPE nostop noprint nopass later
[10:36] <kklimonda> askand: Also, Could you use transmission from this ppa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kklimonda/+archive/ppa ?
[10:36] <kklimonda> askand: I'm working on merge of 1.61 to KK so testing it would be great.
[10:37] <askand> kklimonda: ok I will use that instead
[10:43] <askand> kklimonda: aptitude segfaults for me, that isn't very nice
[10:44] <kklimonda> askand: well, it isn't :)
[10:44] <askand> kklimonda: apt-get aswell '
[10:44] <askand> hm
[10:45] <kklimonda> askand: after you added my ppa? nice :)
[10:46] <askand> kklimonda: yes, some kind of ubuntuvirus ;) I solved it by removing pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin so I will install transmission from your ppa now
[10:51] <askand> kklimonda: its working fine so far, will have it running for a while to see if it's still there when I'm back
[10:51] <kklimonda> askand: If you have a crash send me an email (kklimonda(at)syntaxhighlighted.com) or catch me here.
[13:24] <askand1> kklimonda: After installing transmission from your PPA it didn't crash (I think) but it did freeze and became unresponsivie.  After I added your PPA, I can not install transmission-dbg
[13:29] <kklimonda> askand1: When did it freeze? I guess I'll have to add -dbg package, it wasn't created by debian maintainer..
[13:29] <askand1> kklimonda: while I was away, I'm not sure when
[13:30] <kklimonda> Oh, so it froze by itself without your interaction? Weird..
[13:34] <askand1> kklimonda: Yes, but I think it was checking a big file (10gb) when it happened
[13:34] <askand1> checking it as in it had downloaded some of it and checked how much it had downloaded
[13:36] <kklimonda> askand1: heh, It doesn't sound like it was my fault.. I'll prepare -dbg package later.
[13:37] <askand1> kklimonda: no don't think so, the version I used earlier from the transmission PPA would have crashed if it was open for so long and that has not happened
[14:45] <kklimonda> askand1: I've sent an updated package to PPA, It's building right now.
[14:46] <kklimonda> askand1: There is new package - transmission-gtk-dbg which has all debug symbols ;)
[14:48] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda askand1
[14:48] <kklimonda> hey
[14:52] <kklimonda> oh, ppa will support dbgsym automatic build "soon" ;)
[14:54] <BUGabundo> YAY
[15:20] <askand1> hey thanks kklimonda will try it
[18:12] <william> hello buygs
[18:12] <BUGabundo> hello will
[18:31] <kklimonda> is dtchen around?
[18:32] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: nope
[18:32] <BUGabundo> hasn't been "in" for 3 days
[18:32] <BUGabundo> if you see him let me know
[18:32] <BUGabundo> no audio around here
[18:32] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: He went to UDS? :)
[18:32] <BUGabundo> can't even get help upstream
[18:32] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:35] <overshard> I have a curious bug with alsa sound that I can reproduce. My USB dac/amp stopped working and now will only work when i sudo alsa force-reload and then play sound while super usered... noting works as normal user.
[18:37] <burtle> my sound only works with browsing and with vlc?
[18:38] <burtle> where is sans?
[18:38] <BUGabundo> overshard: burtle: please redirect your effors to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-audio-help
[18:39] <burtle> oops, I forget that Im not in ther
[18:39] <BUGabundo> hey bcurtiswx-mini you are also on FiOS? is it nice too ?
[18:39] <bcurtiswx-mini> BUGabundo: itw awesome really
[18:39] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: nice, there is #ubuntu-audio-help? I've sent overshard here cause he'd love to report a bug ;)
[18:39] <bcurtiswx-mini> its*
[18:40] <BUGabundo> hello ogasawara
[18:40] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: it won't help! just me there....
[18:41] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: overshard all you can do for now it collect data for a bug, and have the audio team look at it *after* UDS
[18:41] <BUGabundo> overshard: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[18:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: yeah, i've hoped that dtchen is alive ;)
[18:41] <BUGabundo> eehe
[18:41] <BUGabundo> knock on wood
[18:41] <bcurtiswx-mini> dan needs a secretary
[18:41] <Ampelbein> bug 379786 . best. ever.
[18:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 379786 in gcalctool "Calculator too good. " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379786
[18:42] <BUGabundo> dan needs a crwon
[18:42] <BUGabundo> Ampelbein: LOLOLOLOLOL
[18:42] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx-mini: so how does it handle? how much BW do you have?
[18:43] <bcurtiswx-mini> BUGabundo: 5 down 2 up (really 600KBPS down 256KBPS UP)
[18:44] <BUGabundo> what do you guys think of this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/80753?
[18:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 80753 in synaptic "Synaptic should be able to switch from non-root to root mode without losing state" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[18:44] <BUGabundo> been debating it all afternoon on identica
[18:44] <BUGabundo> only 5 down??? that's not very good
[18:45] <BUGabundo> wait.... a 2 yo bug and wishlist on synaptic?
[18:45] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it would be "easy" to implement now that we have a policykit
[18:45] <bcurtiswx-mini> 5MBPS Down / 2MPBS UP isnt bad
[18:45] <BUGabundo> someone get ready to mark it as wontfix
[18:45] <BUGabundo> we will have appcenter for KK
[18:45] <kklimonda> oh?
[18:45] <BUGabundo> you mean mb/s not MiB/s
[18:46] <BUGabundo> I'm on 3G and have 3.6mb/s so (your) FiOS is that lame
[18:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: let me get the BP
[18:46] <bcurtiswx-mini> lol
[18:46] <bcurtiswx-mini> i dont have your money
[18:46] <BUGabundo> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/software-library
[18:47] <BUGabundo> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-app-center
[18:47] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx-mini: I don't pay it!
[18:47] <kklimonda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppCenter - is it it?
[18:47] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: maybe all 3
[18:47] <bcurtiswx-mini> lol
[19:22] <BUGabundo> so bcurtiswx-mini am I expected to think that FiOS _can_ be expensive?
[19:22] <BUGabundo> I have no idea what kind of internet connetions the big USoA provides
[19:22] <bcurtiswx-mini> anything with verizon is expensive BUGabundo
[19:23] <BUGabundo> I read last year that a lot of users still use narrow band (<56k)
[19:23] <bcurtiswx-mini> that because nobody can afford anything higher because their jobs don't pay them enough
[19:23] <BUGabundo> how much does that cost you ?
[19:24] <BUGabundo> I know that hggdh has FiOS but with a much higher BW than yours
[19:27] <bcurtiswx-mini> 47.99
[19:27] <bcurtiswx-mini> a month
[19:27] <bcurtiswx-mini> 5down 2 up
[19:29] <kklimonda> I'm paying $35 for 10/1
[19:30] <bcurtiswx-mini> where at?
[19:30] <kklimonda> a middle of nowhere known as Poland ;)
[19:30] <bcurtiswx-mini> haha, maybe ill come live in poland
[19:32] <hggdh> bcurtiswx-mini, my fios goes for about $150 (HDTV, internet, and home phone)
[19:32] <bcurtiswx-mini> mines just internet
[19:32] <bcurtiswx-mini> im renting right now in my life
[19:32] <bcurtiswx-mini> graduate student
[19:32] <BUGabundo> our current best offer is Vodafone with ADSL 24/1 uncap + VOIP + 3G (with 100MiBs per month) for 20€
[19:33] <bcurtiswx-mini> and in american dollars that is?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> lazy dude
[19:33] <hggdh> about $35
[19:33] <BUGabundo> 28US$
[19:33] <BUGabundo> http://www.google.pt/search?q=20+euros+to+dollar&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[19:33] <bcurtiswx-mini> haha, i didn't have firefox open
[22:36] <franczena_> Hello
[22:37] <franczena_> Is it possible to downgrade to Intrepid kernel?
[22:37] <franczena_> from Jaunty
[22:44] <BUGabundo> franc... humm went way
[22:44] <BUGabundo> but for the record: downgrades are not supported


[07:26] <KaiSakurai> hello?
[07:26] <DonkeyHotei> hi
[07:27] <KaiSakurai> i was browsing the ubuntu communities and stumbled across this one which is the California one and that is where I live!
[07:27] <KaiSakurai> I looked at the admins list and saw Nathan Haines and was excited to meet him!
[07:27] <KaiSakurai> I recently got his book on Ubuntu from the library and so far, I really enjoy it
[07:28] <DonkeyHotei> awesome
[07:28] <KaiSakurai> So is there any IRL meetups happening soon?
[07:29] <DonkeyHotei> being such a large state, there isn't exactly a statewide central repository for events
[07:30] <KaiSakurai> oh ok
[07:30] <KaiSakurai> Well nice talking to you
[07:30] <KaiSakurai> Good night!
[07:30] <DonkeyHotei> wait
[07:32] <KaiSakurai> ok
[07:32] <DonkeyHotei> there are also many GNU/Linux events that are not necessarily ubuntu-specific but have much common ground
[07:32] <KaiSakurai> sounds interesting
[07:32] <KaiSakurai> I just wait to go to as many IRL events as possible
[07:32] <DonkeyHotei> especially user groups, like LUGOD
[07:33] <DonkeyHotei> your IP address geolocates to vallejo
[07:34] <KaiSakurai> huh?
[07:34] <KaiSakurai> I live in San Jose
[07:34] <DonkeyHotei> ohhh
[07:34] <DonkeyHotei> many groups/events there
[07:35] <KaiSakurai> yeah
[07:35] <KaiSakurai> I will check them out
[07:35] <DonkeyHotei> good luck
[07:35] <KaiSakurai> Thanks, bye