[02:50] <tsimonq2> I can confirm what CryptoSiD said this morning.
[02:50] <tsimonq2> Needs to be fixed.
[02:59] <CryptoSiD> it's already fixed on my side
[18:10] <budRich> hello people, i think i might have bricked my internal emmc storage when trying to install 17.04... I think this error from syslog is related: mmc1: error -84 whilst initialising MMC card
[18:15] <nacc> budRich: if you used a non-standard ubunut, (linuxium?) you will need to contact them for support, presumably, as they seem to provide their own kerenl
[18:17] <budRich> yes i am in contact with the linuxium dev. he said i should repartition the mmc in gparted and install a previous build or 17.04 wo encryption... but the mmc doesnt show up in gparted...
[18:18] <budRich> but a .ubuntu. boot option shows up above the install usb...
[18:19] <budRich> also i get failed to boot ubuntu, when booting wo usb..
[18:22] <budRich> nacc: but in general if i would not have used linuxium. do you have any ideas on how to access (reformat (i dont care for dataloss)) the mmc?
[18:22] <nacc> budRich: if the kernel is reporting a failure like you mentioned, then you won't be able to, afaict, with any tools. Can you use 16.10 instead?
[18:24] <budRich> i only have one computer, and it is this with broken emmc, im using liveCD (usb) now, dont know if its possible to fix a new usb (16.10) wo other computer.
[18:25] <budRich> nacc: do you think a liveCD/USB installation with 16.10 would recognize the mmc?
[18:25] <nacc> budRich: I have no idea, sorry
[18:25] <budRich> i also have an sd card laying around, can i install to that?


[09:21] <looksaus> Seveas, weet jij iets meer over schedule?
[09:21] <looksaus> oops, sorry, should have asked in English...
[09:21] <looksaus> any news about schedule for tomorrow?
[09:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:23] <Seveas> looksaus, that's not in here
[09:23] <Seveas> /join #udsmtv
[09:23] <looksaus> ok...
[03:00] <lfittl>  /win 13
[03:00] <lfittl> arghs
[07:14] <siretart> @schedule europe/berlin
[07:15] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 08 Nov 21:00: Edubuntu | 15 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu | 22 Nov 21:00: Edubuntu | 28 Nov 17:00: LoCo Team | 29 Nov 13:00: Edubuntu
[07:15] <siretart> @schedule mountainview/ca
[07:43] <JoeyStanford> is there a channel for those of us here at the UDS?
[07:43] <stgraber> #udsmtv
[07:44] <JoeyStanford> thanks


[05:04] <ZBandit> Since upstart apparently is now default in CentOS 6 (RHEL6) how does one make the autologin with only on one TTY?
[05:58] <ZBandit> Never mind, figured it out on me own.
[13:35] <lucs> I'm trying to get something working with upstart and I currently have a situation where "initctl status foo" responds with "foo stop/killed, process 3574"
[13:35] <lucs> Yet, there is no process 3574, and I seem to be stuck there.
[13:37] <lucs> (I think the situation was caused by a mistaken "expect" stanza.)
[13:38] <jhunt> lucs: more than likely. Take a read of the newly updated section in the cookbook - http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect.
[13:38] <jhunt> lucs: also note the golden rule - don't use "respawn" until you are sure you have correctly specified "expect".
[13:39] <lucs> jhunt: Yes, thanks, I'm there already (re. the cookbook).
[13:39] <lucs> Right now, I'm wondering how I can get back to a "clean" state.
[13:40] <jhunt> lucs: if initctl / status is hanging, control-C it. If it's not actually hanging, but is reporting incorrect information, I'm afraid you'll have to reboot to get Upstart to clear its knowledge of that job. What you *can* do if you're on a dev box is to copy the .conf file to a new name and "try again".
[13:41] <jhunt> lucs: we're going to be looking into this issue for this (Ubuntu) cycle. It's quite a hard problem to solve though unfortunately.
[13:41] <lucs> jhunt: Ah, I was kind of afraid I'd need to reboot, but there it is :)
[13:42] <lucs> Yeah, it's a dev machine, so I can experiment all I want.
[13:42] <jhunt> lucs: well, unfortunately, Upstart is powerless in this scenario right now as if the expect stanza is mis-specified there is no reasonable error recovery it can perform.
[13:42] <lucs> Oh, copying the .conf and retrying is a good idea, thanks.
[13:43] <lucs> jhunt: Ok, thanks for the info.
[13:43] <jhunt> lucs: np.
[15:11] <lucs> (Note to self: in "script" sections, don't declare environment variables with "env", unless you want to waste _a lot_ of time :-/ )
[15:14] <jhunt> lucs: ah! :) http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#init-checkconf is your friend
[15:15] <jhunt> lucs: actually, that wouldn't have helped as of course 'env' *is* valid in shell, but not in the context you were using it in.
[15:32] <lucs> jhunt: By the way, all my problems went away when I got rid of the faulty 'env's.
[15:33] <jhunt> lucs: I'd be interested to see your .conf. Certainly sounds like a script process was aborting but Upstart was attempting to "follow forks" still.
[15:35] <lucs> jhunt: I have many failing variations, basically all with "script \n env FOO=some_command args... \n exec $FOO \n end script".
[15:52] <lucs> (sorry, was talking to a cow-orker).
[15:53] <lucs> So FOO was empty, and a plain 'exec' was being done (I suppose).
[16:02] <lucs> Time for a reboot.
[16:02] <lucs> jhunt: Thanks again.
[16:03] <jhunt> lucs: thanks for the info. I'll ponder this for future cookbook updates.
[16:09] <lucs> upstart++
[16:09] <lucs> jhunt: Nice cookbook too.
[16:10] <jhunt> lucs: still lots to add when time allows :)
[16:10] <lucs> :)


[00:05] <pombreda> sbeattie: wrt. to the ubuntu security data license you wrote: "I'll poke people internally about getting more explicit statements in place." --> Thanks!
[00:13] <pombreda> sbeattie: the vast majority of vulnerability feeds are using some custom permissive license (like the NVD and Mitre) or CC-BY (permissive) or CC-BY-SA (weak copyleft) licenses. The aggregated combined data in vulnerablecode is therefore CC-BY-SA which is the highest common denominator. It would be nice to have one of these licenses. I am somewhat puzzled that in many cases we seem to be the first ones to inquire about the
[00:13] <pombreda> license of these feeds :)
[00:15] <pombreda> Many are proprietary such as https://github.com/pyupio/safety-db or Snyk, OSSindex and more... we are trying to offer an open alternative to these.
[01:59] <JanC> I wonder if for "factual data" like that there aren't more appropriate licenses that allow use, aggregation, etc. but don't allow changes
[02:40] <tomreyn> is multiverse supposed to be enabled by defualt on new desktop and server installs?
[02:40] <tomreyn> 20.04 + 22.04
[02:46] <sdeziel> tomreyn: AFAIK, it is, yes
[02:46] <tomreyn> "bm" in #ubuntu points to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unrar-nonfree/+bug/1975722 + https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2022-30333 - i pointed them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ and the (non) supported repositories statement. but with multiverse enabled by default, users not aware of what received (guaranteed) security support have a good chance of running into surprises
[02:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 1975722 in unrar-nonfree (Ubuntu) "unrar has an open security bug" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[02:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- RARLAB UnRAR before 6.12 on Linux and UNIX allows directory traversal to write to files during an extract (aka unpack) operation, as demonstrated by creating a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file. NOTE: WinRAR and Android RAR are unaffected. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2022-30333>
[02:55] <sdeziel> tomreyn: same goes with universe though
[02:55] <sdeziel> hmm, Ubuntu Pro changes things a bit for universe
[02:57] <tomreyn> not for free riders, although expectations, maybe
[02:58] <tomreyn> or assumptions
[03:07] <tomreyn> My POV is that making software which receives no (or no timely) security updates available by default on servers and desktop makes it too easy for users to make critical mistakes. i'd expect having to tick a box or edit a configuration file (such as uncommenting the universe + multiverse line in sources.list, where it should be (and i think is) stated that those recieve no security support) to indicate that the user is willing to accept
[03:07] <tomreyn> the risk.
[03:09] <tomreyn> i assume that the current situation is the outcome of a change that was discussed at some time (probably years ago), though, and was a well evaluated choice.
[03:10] <tomreyn> nowadays you could possibly argue that snaps are also always easily available and not necessarily getting security support, nor even hint on their support status.
[03:10] <tomreyn> s/status/policy/
[03:12] <tomreyn> i have a feeling (but definitely not proof) that multiverse was not enabled by default on earlier releases
[03:20] <tomreyn> looks like my memory is failing me. apparently, while there were some hickups during 18.04 / subiquity / "alternative installer" (d-i) times, universe  + multiverse have been enabled for a long time on servers, too https://askubuntu.com/questions/1081243/why-do-i-need-to-enable-universe-repo-in-18-04-isnt-it-default-enabled
[03:23] <tomreyn> still, the point about "unexpected/non-accepted risk" remains from my POV. sorry for the long discussion.


[03:39] <IdleOne> !ot > FailDrain
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> hello to all i have a request
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> how about we automaticly join #ubuntu users to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> would be interesting to users participate other topics then support, the moment they join
[04:03] <IdleOne> because then we would have to send the people looking for support back to #ubuntu
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> IdleOne: did the past show users looking for support in offtopic?
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> anyway just wanted to propose, tnx
[14:43] <DJones> Just as a heads up http://www.omgchrome.com/chrome-quietly-drops-support-for-obsolete-ubuntu-versions/ Shouldn't have much effect, but flagged up for reference
[14:58] <AlanBell> nice that google are doing it in line with the Ubuntu release support timescales
[14:58] <LjL> that's because google is not evil! obv.
[14:59] <AlanBell> of course :)
[15:40] <bazhang> might be a troll
[15:40] <bazhang> and fb got him
[15:41] <bazhang> thats an excellent feature
[15:49]  * LjL blinks at MonkeyDust telling MsCourney not to call the ops "too easily"
[15:49] <LjL> what exactly does it take to call !ops? maybe i missed the memo where it's only in case of nuclear warfare
[21:15] <Myrtti> topyli et al: just so you know, Calinou is in pm with me and wants to get unquieted. I've declined the honor since he seems to have a beef with me and I certainly can't deal with him with clean hands anymore. he might join here (I've told him about the channel) but he also might not.
[21:16] <Myrtti> but I see you've unmuted him so w/e
[21:17] <topyli> Myrtti: the quiet was auto-timed. just to shut him up for a while so the discussion can take another turn :)
[21:28] <LjL> oh god
[21:29] <LjL> can't play Globulation for a minute ;(
[21:29] <LjL> i think i've seen a few complaints about Calinou, from various people


[07:27] <Guest001> Hi all
[07:41] <Guest001> Can anyone answer me where is "hibernate" in ubuntustudio 14.04 ? I see only "suspend" in "Action Buttons" menu and there is no avaible hibernate in "Power Manager" menu settings, although xfce4-power-manager, xfce4-power-manager-data and xfce4-power-manager-plugins are installed.
[07:42] <cfhowlett> Guest001, not sure there is one.  I don't have it either.  ask #xfce
[07:47] <Guest001> I have xubuntu 14.04 on another computer there hibernation is available and works
[07:59] <Guest001> "Hibernate" is not available after installation ubuntustudio, but must be available; in my opinion it is task of developers ubuntustudio, but not xfce-developers
[08:08] <Guest001> I don't want anyone to sent me to ubuntustudio-channel from xfce-channel with my "issue", because it would be logical
[12:01] <ubuntu-studio> Ubuntu 14.04


[10:49] <sense> good morning
[10:52] <nigelb> Morning sense, czajkowski :)
[10:52] <sense> hi nigelb!
[10:52] <nigelb> Hope everyone's having a good Saturday :)
[10:52] <nigelb> sense: Its been long, school taking a chunk of your time? :)
[10:53] <sense> nigelb: Yeah, I've been quite busy lately.
[10:53] <nigelb> :)
[13:05] <duanedesign> hello all
[13:05] <nigelb> Morning duanedesign
[13:07] <duanedesign> i think i am going to do a blog post similar to http://www.granneman.com/techinfo/linux/contributewithoutcoding.htm
[13:07] <duanedesign> update that list and make it more Ubuntu specific
[13:08] <nigelb> duanedesign: Better still, try to coordinate a bit of a meme on planet with that
[13:08] <nigelb> A lot of the BT can do it
[13:08] <nigelb> I mean most of us don't really code all the time for Ubuntu
[13:08] <nigelb> (though we can code, but that's now our primary contribution to Ubuntu)
[13:09] <duanedesign> ohhh a meme might be perfect.
[13:10] <nigelb> :)
[13:10] <nigelb> Laters :)
[13:11]  * nisshh *really* needs to clean out his downloads folderr
[13:12] <duanedesign> nigelb: ugh, me too
[13:12] <duanedesign> oops
[13:12] <duanedesign> nisshh: me too
[13:12] <nisshh> heh
[13:12] <nisshh> duanedesign, i have about a million things in it :)
[13:13] <duanedesign> yeah mine has gotten ridiculous :)
[14:14] <nigelb> oh dear, that reminds me
[14:14] <nigelb> I dont have space anymore thanks to downloads folder
[14:14] <nigelb> Need to move it out
[14:57] <pumba_> hello
[14:57] <pumba_> any ubuntu wireless experts
[14:57] <pumba_> that can help me a second?
[14:58] <nigelb> Why don't you try in #ubuntu?
[14:58] <popey> pumba_: #ubuntu is the support channel
[15:10] <pumba_> i tried
[15:10] <pumba_> but that channel is too crowded
[15:10] <pumba_> and they dont even listen at me :(
[15:10] <nigelb> Then,I would suggest askubuntu.com
[15:10] <nisshh> pumba_, its a very active channel, its always like that
[15:11] <nigelb> There is a good number of people there and responses are really good and constructive
[15:11] <nisshh> yeah
[15:11] <pumba_> they tend to avoid "silly" problems :/
[15:12] <popey> pumba_: I would also tru askubuntu.com or your local #ubuntu-it community support channel
[15:12] <nigelb> I wondered what "tru" was until I realized its "try" :)
[15:13] <nisshh> heh
[15:42] <pumba_> i need a wireless ubuntu expert :((
[15:43] <popey> pumba_: whats the problem?
[15:43] <pumba_> i just installed ubuntu
[15:44] <pumba_> but there's no way to make the wifi recognized
[15:44] <pumba_> seems dead
[15:44] <pumba_> in windows it worked... :(
[15:47] <popey> pumba_: what make and model of computer is it?
[15:47] <pumba_> its a fujitsu c1020 laptop (old pentium 4 mobile)
[15:47] <pumba_> and the wifi card
[15:47] <pumba_> is
[15:47] <pumba_> Z-Com 725/726 Prism2.5 USB/USB Integrated
[15:47] <pumba_> its integrated in the LCD
[15:48] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/prism2_usb
[15:49] <pumba_> someone else tried to help me
[15:49] <pumba_> and he made me input a command in terminal
[15:49] <popey> pumba_: what release of ubuntu?
[15:50] <pumba_> nm-tool
[15:50] <pumba_> if i type nm-tool i see
[15:50] <popey> pumba_: why wont you try http://askubuntu.com/ ? There's a lot of experts there and they give good quality answers
[15:50] <popey> pumba_: don't paste in here please...
[15:50] <pumba_> driver: prism2_usb
[15:50] <pumba_> but hardware address all zeros.
[15:50] <pumba_> i installed ubuntu 10.10
[15:55] <pumba_> mmmm nothing popey?
[15:55] <pumba_> nothing i should try? :(
[16:00] <popey> 15:50:24 < popey> pumba_: why wont you try http://askubuntu.com/ ? There's a lot of experts there and they give good quality  answers
[16:03] <pumba_> its one of those usual online services
[16:03] <pumba_> where nobody usually gives an answer :(
[16:03] <popey> thats not true
[16:04] <pumba_> there are tons of such services also for windows
[16:04] <pumba_> tried them with no lack :(
[16:04] <popey> askubuntu was setup by ubuntu developers and people in this very channel
[16:05] <maco> and the desktop development team has been instructed to spend some time going through questions, i think
[16:06] <maco> i think a lot of the unanswered ones are really just bugs :-/
[16:06] <maco> should probably drop by a bunch and say that
[16:06] <nigelb> There are unanswered?
[16:06] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/unanswered most of the unanswered ones arent actually unanswered, just not tagged as answered by the poster
[16:06] <maco> yes, about 200
[16:06] <nigelb> I generally don't find anything to answer, people are too fast.
[16:06] <maco> oh right
[16:07] <maco> you have to search for   answers:0   to find ones that are *really* unanswered
[16:07] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/unanswered/tagged/?tab=noanswers
[16:07] <pumba_> hmmmm then maybe I will try....
[16:07] <pumba_> and be the first to have something.. unanswered
[16:07]  * maco does the openid dance
[16:07] <pumba_> maybe this laptop is just too old :/
[16:08] <popey> pumba_: post a link here once you have asked the question
[16:08] <pumba_> yes, i need time to write everything cause its quite long.. to explain all I did :
[16:08] <popey> sure
[16:08] <popey> and that will help you get an answer
[16:09] <pumba_> yes, and exclude solutions
[16:09] <pumba_> i have already tried
[16:09] <pumba_> but... can be possible
[16:09] <pumba_> that just an ubuntu installation
[16:09] <pumba_> kills a network card?
[16:10] <popey> In general, no.
[16:13] <pumba_> it seems
[16:13] <pumba_> there's even a chat
[16:14] <pumba_> separate from this
[16:14] <pumba_> dedicated to.. askubuntu?
[16:14] <popey> yeah
[18:20] <nigelb> czajkowski: That's a gorgeous coat :)
[19:26] <nigelb> We're really doing something right.  Everyother web development channel has a bunch of guys coming in asking "How to do $foo, I'm using Ubuntu"
[19:27]  * nigelb is extremely glad :)
[19:55] <popey> :)
[19:56] <popey> nigelb: I was on the train with Daviey to a release party once, we overheard some guys nearby talking about upgrading to latest release. We asked if they were going to the release party, to which they replied "Nah, we're just happy Ubuntu users"
[19:56] <nigelb> popey: :)
[19:57] <popey> they were web devs
[19:57] <nigelb> \o/ web devs ftw :D
[20:34] <jcastro> popey: around?
[20:34] <popey> ya
[20:34] <jcastro> ok so ...
[20:34] <jcastro> don't take this the wrong way or anything
[20:34] <popey> :)
[20:35] <popey> incoming!
[20:35] <jcastro> but why do you waste your time with people on identi.ca when there are so many real contributors out there that need help/guidance/your time?
[20:35] <popey> heh
[20:35] <popey> a fine question
[20:35] <jcastro> for every minute we spend responding to people like that that's one less nigel we could have
[20:35] <popey> I suffer from http://xkcd.com/386
[20:35] <jcastro> I know I know
[20:36] <popey> i take your point though
[20:36] <jcastro> popey: I don't want to single you out or anything, you just happened to scroll by on the twitters
[20:36] <popey> :)
[20:36] <popey> I appreciate the concern :)
[20:37] <nigelb> jcastro: hah
[20:40] <nigelb> popey: The web dev thing happened to me in #cakephp, #phpc, #python, and #pocco
[20:41] <nigelb> It was a bit shocking initially to see how at least web devs have embraced ubuntu for the 'don't worry about the system, just do your work' comfort
[20:44] <nigelb> Did anyone see http://firefoxlive.mozilla.org/ yet?


[01:41] <solidfox> hello, im having trouble using launchpad to report a bug in gnome-shell OOPS-81d54407962143ff31900e9354476e8b
[01:42] <sarnold> hey solidfox :)
[01:42] <solidfox> sarnold: heya
[01:55] <wgrant> solidfox: Let me see.
[01:58] <wgrant> solidfox: It's because you had an old Ubuntu One account with the same email address, but deleted that without deleting the corresponding Launchpad account. Do you want me to link up your new Ubuntu One account with the LP account?
[01:58] <solidfox> wgrant: yes please
[02:03] <wgrant> solidfox: Try now
[02:04] <solidfox> thanks, seems to be working now
[02:05] <wgrant> Great
[18:09] <Simon-> I don't understand why the "Also affects distribution/package" link does not let me select a different Ubuntu distribution, yet other people are able to do this
[18:10] <Simon-> well, "release" rather than "distribution"
[18:11] <Simon-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ejabberd/+bug/1659801 was fixed in yakkety but is not fixed in xenial, so I want to add that but there's no option to do it
[18:11] <Simon-> yet if I view other bugs, people have added multiple releases to them
[18:12] <Simon-> (and even on those bugs there is no way for me to add additional releases)
[18:14] <sarnold> can you get to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ejabberd/+bug/1659801/+nominate ?
[18:15] <cjwatson> Yeah, it's not done through "Also affects distribution/package".  It's a slightly privileged operation though - you need to be in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl, basically because of noise problems IIRC
[18:15] <cjwatson> I've targeted that bug to xenial now
[18:20] <Simon-> "You do not have permission to nominate this bug."
[18:24] <cjwatson> Yep, as I said


[10:36] <frederick> hi everybody
[10:37] <frederick> i  am using a UGEE RAINBOW digitizer on my ubuntu studio,but it's now work