[00:01] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: it seemed to stop after 'ubuntuone-syncdaemon stopped.' so I did Ctrl+C and listed the folders - indeed it had disappeared
[00:02] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: perhaps the description of the bug should include second scenario: when the user simply deletes the folder
[00:02] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: it is mentioned that the user might want make his mind and not to sync the folder. but in my case, it did already sync. instead of 'Don't sync it with U1' I just deleted it.
[00:03] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: but that workaround made the trick. thanks
[00:03] <joshuahoover> mkarnicki: yeah, i'll need to check with the devs on that...that's a bit trickier on the client side i would think, because did you mean to delete it just locally or across all computers and your cloud storage?
[00:03] <joshuahoover> mkarnicki: right, it's actually different, i pointed you to that bug because i figured the workaround would apply to your situation (wanting to get rid of it on the server)
[00:04] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: good question.. I wasn't thinking about that at the moment, since it was only for testing purposes, but since this is the machine the folder originated from (I know that this info might not be saved anywhere), I intented to delete the folder from the laptop *and* the cloud.
[00:04] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: true, it helped :)
[00:04] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: that was a good guess then ;)
[00:04] <joshuahoover> mkarnicki: right...i made a note to discuss this with the team that works on syncdaemon to get their thoughts
[00:05] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: great. thank you.
[00:05] <joshuahoover> mkarnicki: heh, sometimes i get lucky with a bug # ;)
[00:05] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: heheh :)
[00:07] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: I'm aware it is tricky. The software doesn't know if I wanted to delete that locally, or in general from all devices. I wonder how the team will act on that. Perhaps some sort of question dialog? I would be happy if you could update me on the decision made :)
[00:08] <mkarnicki> joshuahoover: I just wonder how they'll work it out
[00:08] <joshuahoover> mkarnicki: sure, i've got that in my "todo" to get you an update on what is discussed/decided
[00:08] <mkarnicki> awesome. thanks! have a good day/eve Joshua
[00:13] <joshuahoover> mkarnicki: you too! thanks :)
[00:22] <m_tadeu> I'm getting this message when trying to run ubuntuone-preferences
[00:22] <m_tadeu> ** Message: secret service operation failed: The name org.freedesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files
[00:23] <m_tadeu> and then a whole bunch of other errors ending with "gnomekeyring.IOError"
[00:23] <duanedesign> m_tadeu: are you running it from the command line when you get thatt?
[00:23] <duanedesign> m_tadeu: ahh
[00:23] <m_tadeu> duanedesign: yes...from the command line
[00:24] <duanedesign> m_tadeu: can you open a Terminal and trry:
[00:25] <duanedesign> gnome-keyring-daemon; ubuntuone-preferences
[00:42] <m_tadeu> thanx...it worked :)
[00:43] <duanedesign> m_tadeu: great
[01:01] <m_tadeu> now everything is running but in the preferences window, services tab, everything except file sync is desabled
[01:01] <duanedesign> really
[01:01] <duanedesign> hmm
[01:02] <duanedesign> m_tadeu: and you are unable to access them to turn them on?
[01:03] <m_tadeu> duanedesign: yup...totaly disabled
[01:03] <duanedesign> m_tadeu: what version of Ubuntu ONe do you have. This will tell you:   dpkg -l ubuntone-client
[01:05] <m_tadeu> duanedesign: it's 1.2.1-0ubuntu2
[01:09] <duanedesign> m_tadeu: have you installed bindwood yet for bookmarks?
[01:12] <m_tadeu> duanedesign: ahh good...solved the problem....thx again
[01:12] <m_tadeu> so how can I supply the contacts?
[01:15] <m_tadeu> now I'm getting this error
[01:15] <m_tadeu> ERROR:dbus.connection:Exception in handler for D-Bus signal:
[01:15] <m_tadeu> ValueError: No pairing record for ubuntuone.
[01:17] <mkarnicki> Hi all, I hope some of you are still here.
[01:17] <mkarnicki> I have a quite important question concerning Android U1 application, that I'll be coding during Google Summer of Code
[01:18] <mkarnicki> Although U1 framework, if I could name it so, has broader functionality than Dropbox
[01:18] <mkarnicki> The very base of those two is similar, and therefore
[01:19] <mkarnicki> I'm worried, that Android U1 application might be judged by the looks
[01:19] <mkarnicki> that it resambles Dropbox
[01:19] <mkarnicki> Though my aplication will have more functionality (an easy example would be UDF functionality, which dropbox doesn't have)
[01:20] <mkarnicki> The main application menu might be strikingly similar to Android Dropbox folder
[01:20] <mkarnicki> And my question is, should I be afraid of that.
[01:20] <mkarnicki> I have seen Android dropbox application, and though I already plan better functionality,
[01:21] <mkarnicki> some fundamental elements such as main menu (eg. refresh, upload, sync, help, settings) would be similar if not the same
[01:22] <mkarnicki> I'm afraid of judgemental opinions, but how can it be much different from the looks, if the basic functionality is the same (though, when the user will explore further, she/he will see grater amount of possibilities)
[01:22] <mkarnicki> Any opinions on that?
[01:24] <mkarnicki> I might have had bad timing for that question ;) It's 2:24 AM here, and all the devs are already resting I think :D
[01:24] <duanedesign> m_tadeu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/Contacts
[01:33] <m_tadeu> thx again :)
[01:45] <mkarnicki> mkarnicki: nevermind my question, I've come to my senses and know how to act.
[02:07] <duanedesign> m_tadeu: your welcome :)
[04:39] <mkarnicki> feedback grately appreciated: http://android-u1.blogspot.com/ - first GUI mockups
[04:39] <mkarnicki> since it's 5:40AM, I'm afk.. will read any responses later.
[05:51] <kblin> morning folks
[05:51] <kblin> is there an obvious way to use the ubuntu one setup to build a private cloud for data sharing instead of using the canonical one?
[06:11] <mkarnicki> kblin: you can sync data to your couchDB instance, but not files. part of the backend is proprietary.
[06:12] <mkarnicki> gotta go now, l8r
[06:12] <kblin> mkarnicki: thanks
[06:13] <kblin> I don't care about files much,so that's fine with me
[06:40] <kblin> time to get myself to work
[07:24] <Elvis> hey
[07:24] <Elvis> who did I talk to last saturday?
[07:25] <Elvis> was it dobey?
[07:26] <Elvis> in any case, testing with 1 computer and the file server seems to be working great now
[07:27] <Elvis> changes appear to be on the server within SECONDS
[07:27] <Elvis> so congratulations on improving the performance :)
[07:28] <Elvis> I will continue testing with a second computer, and see if I still get any problems there
[08:37] <kermiac> good evening people :) does anyone know of a wiki page or forum post explaining u1sdtool that I can point users to? I am finding that a fair number of people are confused by the lack of a u1 applet to show sync status
[12:14] <ras> hello folks, i'd need some assistance
[12:14] <duanedesign> hello ras
[12:14] <ras> i purchased some tracks last week, and haven't gotten them yet
[12:14] <ras> 7digital isn't answering my questions
[12:15] <ras> this is what i get in the Ubuntu One's my downloads-section: There was a (temporary) problem getting your list of purchased songs. Please wait a short time and then try again, or return to the music store.
[12:15] <duanedesign> ras: do they show up under Purchased Music on  https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
[12:15] <ras> they don't
[12:15] <ras> :/
[12:15] <duanedesign> ras: ok
[12:16] <ras> i got the receipt both from paypal and 7digital
[12:17] <mattgriffin> ras: which store did you purchase from?
[12:17] <aquarius> ras, hi. At the moment there's a problem where you're getting an error but we're not totally sure what the error is :(
[12:17] <mattgriffin> ras: when did you make the purchase?
[12:17] <duanedesign> aqua...
[12:17] <aquarius> ras, are you available to help me debug the problem?
[12:17] <duanedesign> ;)
[12:18] <ras> yea i'm available for that
[12:18] <aquarius> ras -> PM
[12:20] <duanedesign> morning all. mkarnicki posted these last night showing his mock up for an Android U1 app http://android-u1.blogspot.com/
[12:25]  * aquarius is identifying ras's problem
[12:31] <aquarius> OK, identified ras's problem. Some tracks don't have artist names, and the music store assumes that they all do.
[12:31] <aquarius> I can now work on a fix
[12:31] <aquarius> ras, thanks very much for that!
[12:32] <ras> thanks for helping out!
[12:32] <aquarius> ras, what we'll need to do is this: I'll get a fix written as quickly as possible, but it probably won't be deployed for a few days. Once it's deployed, you'll then need to go back to My Downloads in the music store, and that will kick off the download correctly.
[12:33] <ras> great
[12:33] <ras> i was already a bit worried about receiving those tracks
[12:34] <ras> maybe that 'temporary' error message should be changed to something like 'go over to IRC and they'll help you out' ? ;)
[12:35] <rye> aquarius, is there a bug for this? I'd like to have this added to Status page
[12:35] <aquarius> rye, there isn't, yet. I'll file one
[12:35] <aquarius> ras, the "temporary" message is going to get a lot better and more helpful soon :)
[12:36] <ras> good :)
[12:37] <aquarius> rye, 582208
[12:37] <ras> this shopping thing is quite a nice feature, i bet you guys iron the bugs out soon enough, and then it'll be just great
[12:38] <ras> but i guess i'm done here now
[12:38] <ras> so thanks again
[12:38] <ras> and bye
[12:39] <rye> aquarius, do you mind if i make it public?
[12:40] <aquarius> not at all.
[12:45]  * aquarius writes a test first
[12:45] <aquarius> check out my test driven development, oh yes.
[12:46] <rye> aquarius, is bug #547074 fixed? I see Fix Committed there and Bzr Revision of 2724; appservers are now at 2726, is that part of appserver?
[12:47] <rye> ah, ubottu has UDS hangover still...
[12:48] <rye> aquarius,  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/547074 - Songs don't download if two have the same name
[12:51] <aquarius> rye, alecu was looking at that.
[12:52] <aquarius> it should be fixed, but alecu thinks it's not fixed completely
[12:53] <aquarius> OK. fix for ras's issue submitted for review.
[12:55] <aquarius> now I do believe it is lunchtime :)
[13:11] <JRolland> Is it possible or hard to get a command line ubuntu one client running on another linux system with python?
[13:12] <JRolland> (no nautilus extensions required)
[13:19] <rye> JRolland, ubuntuone client was made working on Fedora, so i don't see why not. Basically you will need to have all the dependencies satisfied and then it should run
[13:20] <JRolland> rye: Cool, I just searched but didn't find much about it. Should I go about building from source?
[13:22] <rye> JRolland, ubuntuone file sync is completely written in python, so you may want to grab ubuntuone-client and python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol and try to make it run
[13:22] <JRolland> rye: Thanks i'll give it a whirl
[13:28] <JRolland> compiled and installed protocol then client, running u1sync gives: ConfigParser.NoSectionError: No section: 'default'
[13:28] <JRolland> maybe missing some packages?
[14:02] <rye> JRolland, do you have /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf ?
[14:02] <JRolland> rye: Nope, neither protocol nor client installed it. How can I go about setting it up ?
[14:08] <JRolland> Does something else setup all the needed configurations in /etc/xdg/ubuntuone ?
[14:13] <aquarius> $ dpkg -S /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[14:13] <aquarius> python-ubuntuone-client: /etc/xdg/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[14:14] <JRolland> ahh got them all
[14:14] <JRolland> thanks aquarius
[14:16] <JRolland> if this is the first time I am running u1sync is the --oauth=KEY:SECRET my email:password?
[14:18] <rye> JRolland, no, are you able to run ubuntuone-preferences application? It should start ubuntuone-login service which will handle oauth tokens and put them in keyring after you confirm adding your machine via the web interface
[14:18] <rye> is u1sync even supported?... Hmm...
[14:22] <JRolland> rye: Thanks, do I need desktopcouch installed and running for syncing ?
[14:22] <JRolland> because ubuntuone-preferences dies with a "DesktopCouch replication API not found" error
[14:23] <JRolland> just looking for a simple command line way to get and sync files with my ubuntu one account on another linux distro
[14:23] <rye> JRolland, it should not die with this error, it just outputs it... is it the only message that is printed out ?
[14:24] <JRolland> rye: it prints: http://pastebin.com/VCSWYj98
[14:26] <rye> JRolland, could you please re-paste to http://paste.ubuntu.com - pastebin.com seems to be a bit in maintenance mode now
[14:26] <JRolland> rye: Ahh sorry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/435529/
[14:28] <rye> JRolland, could you please check what version of python is installed?
[14:29] <JRolland> rye: 2.6
[14:29] <JRolland> rye: (from python --version atleast)
[14:37] <rye> JRolland, could you please tell me the distribution you are using?
[14:37] <JRolland> rye: Fedora 11, thanks rye
[14:39] <rye> apachelogger, ping - were there any issues with logger on Fedora when you tried running ubuntuone there?
[14:40] <duanedesign> .5'
[14:45] <dobey> hmm
[14:46] <dobey> JRolland: is that python 2.5?
[14:47] <JRolland> dobey: 2.6 as far as python--version reports
[14:48] <dobey> 2.6.1?
[14:52] <JRolland> dobey: yum info python just says Version: 2.6
[14:53] <dobey> JRolland: that might be the issue then :-/
[14:53] <JRolland> ahhh
[14:53] <JRolland> 2.6.1 required ?
[14:53] <dobey> 2.6.2 i tihnk
[14:53] <dobey> let me see actually
[14:54] <dobey> hrmm, pkg info doesn't say, but there was a bug
[14:55] <JRolland> you think I will break a lot of stuff if I just compiled from source and installed 2.6.2 ?
[14:55] <dobey> probably
[14:55] <JRolland> sigh
[14:55] <dobey> f11 is pretty old though
[15:01] <JRolland> dobey: just never got around to upgrading :S
[15:01] <JRolland> guess now is as good a time as any
[15:04] <JRolland> to ubuntu 10.04 I go!
[15:39] <dobey> JRolland: hooray! :)
[15:39] <JRolland> dobey: :)
[15:41] <espen77> does desktopcoatch update only changed records to U1-cloud or does it send the whole thing if there is any changes?
[15:42] <dobey> espen77: desktopcouch updates only changed records (but it's the whole record i believe), though not the whole database
[15:46] <espen77> is desktopcoatch in theory ok with millions of records (GB's in size)? I figured big sqlite files as synced files is not a good solution.
[15:47] <beuno> espen77, we have a few multi-gb dbs syncing
[15:48] <beuno> I think it scales pretty well
[15:49] <espen77> any idea's of any big performance change on the local computers?
[15:50] <beuno> I don't
[15:51] <espen77> oki, I'll have a go at it....thanx for the help :)
[15:55] <siba> hello, I read the ubuntuone faq but I still have a question. I have a laptop with ubuntu 10.04 with hard disk encryption on. I need to send files to ubuntu one. Does my files will be sent in an encrypted way?
[15:56] <siba> I means, does my files will be unreadable to the cloud administrator or anybody able to access the servers?
[15:56] <siba> the FAQ is not clear about it and how to do that
[15:58] <rye> siba, ubuntuone operates as a userspace application. In case say gedit can open your files and they will be unencrypted then ubuntuone will also sync unencrypted files to the server
[15:58] <siba> ok, thanks, so the only way to send it crypted is to use something like gpg or similars?
[15:58] <siba> and then send it to the cloud
[15:59] <espen77> siba: yes
[15:59] <siba> thank you very much. Is there any software that automatize that?
[16:00] <rye> siba, i would suggest that this is the best method. It is possible to synchronize .Private folder (ecryptfs) but this is not well tested. The files are synced, but the procedure for data recovery in case when  /home  is no longer available with ecryptfs token is not clear
[16:01] <siba> ok, thanks for the help. I think all the data sent to the cloud HAVE TO be encrypted. I don't trust anybody when I'm talking about my personal info and files
[16:03] <rye> ok, checking now how it all works with ecryptfs
[16:03]  * rye relogins
[16:10] <espen77> rye, if you sync an ecryped image of a filesystem, wouldnt it be uploading and downloading the whole image, if there is a change to one little file in it, or can it do diff?
[16:11] <siba> I think it can't do a diff
[16:20] <dobey> espen77: it's a binary file, and we don't sync deltas yet, no
[16:42] <rye> no, underlying ecryptfs cannot be used reliably
[16:45] <dobey> If you have files that are so important to you, that you're encrypting them locally, you really probably shouldn't put them on the internet anywhere. :)
[16:47] <rye> dobey, yes, but just for the test - looks like inotify becomes confused about the status of the files.
[16:49] <dobey> sure
[16:49] <apachelogger> rye: I did not run u1 on fedora
[16:53] <rye> apachelogger, sorry, i have everything mixed up in my head, you were working on KDE client, someone else was working on Fedora one...
[16:55] <dobey> rye: thomasvs was working on packages for fedora a while back
[17:02] <apachelogger> rye: right ^^
[18:09] <zyga> hello
[18:09] <zyga> I'd like to start a fresh django-on-storm project
[18:09] <zyga> I heard that ubuntu one is using storm as well as django
[18:09] <zyga> is there any piece of code that I might see to learn by example?
[18:12] <beuno> zyga, I don't think any of the server code is available for that, no  :/
[18:13] <zyga> beuno, how about to other canonical employees?
[18:13] <zyga> (I don't need a whole copy, a minor bit that shows how to piece the two is enough I guess)
[18:13] <beuno> zyga, oh, yes, that's totally doable
[18:13] <beuno> it's the wrong channel to ask though  ;)
[18:13] <zyga> basically right now I'm going to start a new project
[18:13] <zyga> and I'd like to use django
[18:13] <zyga> with possible data model sharing with launchpad
[18:14] <zyga> so using storm for the model would make much more sense
[18:14] <beuno> zyga, hop on to #u1-internal on the Canonical irc
[19:00] <espen77> desktopcoach seems exstreamly space-hungry if treated like any other database.
[19:01] <beuno> yes, it needs to be compacted regularly
[19:03] <espen77> it gets compacted? so i dont need to figure a less space-hungry way to store the data..
[19:03] <beuno> espen77, give it a sping
[19:03] <beuno> spin
[19:04] <Ciemon> Anyone had any luck getting an HTC Desire to add to U1?
[19:05] <Ciemon> I'm getting parameter not found oauth_consumer_key when I clik add computer
[19:06] <beuno> Ciemon, is this to sync contacts?
[19:07] <Ciemon> No, I wasn't going to use it for tomdroid
[19:07] <Ciemon> .. and I noticed the HTC Desire wasn't in the list of supported hardware with contacts.
[19:07] <beuno> Ciemon, is it Android 2.1+?
[19:08] <Ciemon> yes
[19:08] <beuno> it will work then
[19:08] <beuno> we are updating our database to reflect that
[19:08] <beuno> just pick "Other" as your phone
[19:08] <Ciemon> excellent
[19:08] <beuno> and grap the "Funambol" app from the store
[19:09] <beuno> the page will give you your user/pass and host
[19:09] <Ciemon> I'll get that done
[19:09] <beuno> let me know how it goes
[19:11] <Ciemon> will do
[19:16] <espen77> desktopcouch has any restriction to how long/big a value/field can be?
[19:19] <kazade> aquarius, you around?
[19:20] <rapha> Hi all!
[19:21] <rapha> I'm trying to use U1 on my gf's computer (my account though), and the ubuntuone-preferences says this when I try to start it: "** Message: secret service operation failed: The name org.freedesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files" - what's wrong?
[19:21] <rapha> honk :]
[19:22] <dobey> rapha: gnome-keyring-daemon isn't running
[19:22] <rapha> oh
[19:22] <rye> rapha, gnome-keyring
[19:22] <rapha> now it works, thanks :-)
[19:23] <rapha> And how can I tell it to sync my firefox bookmarks now? I only wanted to set it up because I need them :]
[19:24] <dobey> install xul-ext-bindwood and put the bookmarks you want synced in the special folder it uses
[19:24] <rapha> ooooh
[19:24] <rapha> that's why its not working ... :-( - then its not much use. maybe for now, but not generally. can't you set it up to synchronize *all* bookmarks, or at least those you tell it to?
[19:25] <rapha> also how would i know what that special folder is - it didnt create one, and it says nowhere what the name should be
[19:25] <dobey> though i think desktopcouch syncing is disabled at the moment on the server, while the server people work on getting some fixes done to optimize it
[19:25] <dobey> i think it's a special folder due to weirdness in firefox unfortunately
[19:26] <rapha> oh okay
[19:26] <rapha> and how do you find out the name that folder should have?
[19:26] <dobey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/Bookmarks
[19:27] <rapha> thanks! :-)
[19:27] <kazade> has anyone had much luck using U1 to host a bzr repo?
[19:27] <dobey> oh maybe it is all bookmarks then
[19:27] <kazade> because I keep managing to confuse it :p
[19:27] <dobey> kazade: to *host* a bzr repo?
[19:27] <dobey> kazade: i don't think bzr has a "store stuff in u1" backend :)
[19:27] <kazade> yeah, so bzr push ~/Ubuntu One/some_folder
[19:28] <kazade> then when it syncs to another pc, bzr branch ~/Ubuntu One/some_folder
[19:28] <kazade> then you can push/pull from your Ubuntu One folder..
[19:28] <kazade> at least, that's what I tried to do
[19:28] <kazade> and it seemed to work for a little while :p
[19:29] <dobey> ah, well i am not sure i'd do that, myself :)
[19:29] <Ciemon> beuno: contacts work as expected, notes still fails
[19:29] <kazade> dobey, basically I just *pushed* to my Ubuntu One folder, it updated the files in the Ubuntu One folder (e.g. they changed) but Ubuntu One still thinks it's up to date
[19:29] <dobey> putting vcs repos in file sync services seems a bit off to me
[19:29] <dobey> kazade: is it connected to the server, or disconnected?
[19:29] <kazade> heh, well, I thought if it worked it would be quite handy... but it doesn't seem to 100%
[19:30] <kazade> it was connected, I'm just rebooting to see if that kicks it in
[19:30] <dobey> kazade: well it should work, but i still wouldn't do it :P
[19:30] <kazade> :D
[19:30] <kazade> I don't think I will in future
[19:30] <kazade> dobey, it's just useful for sharing with friends ;)
[19:31] <rapha> hmm it's wierd ... on my own laptop there's a kinda huge list of connected devices, but on my gf's laptop (my account) it only shows "<Local Machine>"
[19:31] <rapha> oh and when i close hte prefs and open hten again, they complain "Got empty result for devices list"
[19:31] <kazade> rapha, I had that..
[19:31] <rapha> and what did you do? :)
[19:32] <kazade> try removing the key from Apps->Accessories->Password and Encryption keys
[19:32] <rapha> er
[19:32]  * rapha tries
[19:32] <beuno> Ciemon, awesome
[19:32] <kazade> it says UbuntuOne token for *blah*
[19:32] <beuno> Ciemon, we don't have note syncing from mobiles yet
[19:32] <kazade> rapha, then I rebooted and re-added IIRC
[19:32] <kazade> like, reconnected the PC
[19:33] <rapha> k
[19:50] <kazade> dobey, apparently it does work..
[19:50] <kazade> after a reboot it starting uploading and it synced to my desktop
[19:51] <kazade> I guess maybe "bzr push" doesn't trigger whatever U1 looks for when there's a file update or something
[19:55] <dobey> kazade: u1 doesn't look for anything, it just has inotify watches on the folders, which should get sent when the filesystem changes
[19:55] <kazade> hmm, maybe I'm just impatient then..
[19:55] <kazade> :)
[20:03] <dobey> no it should be immediate
[20:03] <dobey> probably inotify bug or something weird :(
[20:16] <Ciemon> beuno: nice.. did you think that your solution might help with being able to log into U1 with the web interface?
[20:17] <Ciemon> ..because I'm still getting the same problem
[20:17] <Ciemon> parameter not found oauth_consumer_key
[20:17] <beuno> Ciemon, tell me more about this
[20:17] <beuno> what's giving you that error?
[20:17] <beuno> from where?
[20:18] <Ciemon> I'm using tomdroid, to sync tomboy notes with U1..
[20:18] <Ciemon> when I try and log into U1, it takes me to the u1 webpage, to add a computer..
[20:19] <Ciemon> when I click add, I get a new webpage with the error parameter not found oauth_consumer_key
[20:19] <beuno> ah
[20:19] <beuno> rye, ping?
[20:19] <Ciemon> if I remove tomdroid from the equation, and just try and login, it still fails, although if I checkfrom my laptop, the phone has actually been added
[20:20] <dobey> tomdroid could possibly be broken
[20:20] <dobey> that sounds like a client issue
[20:20] <Ciemon> sure, which is why I've tried to login without tomdroid
[20:20] <Ciemon> and it still fails
[20:29] <rapha> kazade: your suggestion made the error go away, but I'm syncing bookmarks manually now, with Firefox's import/export
[20:31]  * rye set up android emulator
[20:36] <rye> Ciemon, could you please provide more info about what you are using - tomdroid does not appear to support such kind of syncing though...
[20:38] <Ciemon> I can, but let's take tomdroid away for now.. if I try to log in to U1 with my HTC Desire it fails.
[20:38] <dobey> Ciemon: still fails how? surely it fails in a different way if it fails?
[20:38] <dobey> log in how?
[20:39] <Ciemon> Web browser, add computer, give it a nameclick add computer, the browser refreshes and I get a single line...
[20:39] <Ciemon> parameter not found oauth_consumer_key
[20:39] <dobey> web browsers themselves don't do OAuth
[20:40]  * Ciemon is just reporting what he sees :)
[20:41] <Ciemon> I'll clear all caches and start again to see if that helps
[20:42] <dobey> if you see the "Add your computer: [foo         ]" page, then you're logged in
[20:42] <rye> Ciemon, i don't really think I understand - web browser on the android phone ? then how did you get to add computer page?
[20:42] <dobey> so logging in works, but the oauth process to get the token to tomdroid is apparently broken on the tomdroid end
[20:42] <dobey> rye: history i guess...
[20:44] <Ciemon> okay, I'm logged into u1 and can browse from the web page
[20:44] <Ciemon> and what you say makes sense, that tomdroid is broken
[20:44] <Ciemon> Thanks for your help :)
[20:45] <dobey> i don't have android so i can't test it
[20:55] <falselight> if i choose to un-subscribe my computer from my One account, will i lose my files?
[20:55] <beuno> falselight, you will not
[20:55] <falselight> so, my files are connected to my account no matter what?
[20:56] <beuno> yes
[20:56] <falselight> i got some purchased music there, i can't risk losing them...
[20:56] <beuno> falselight, you won't, don't worry
[20:56] <falselight> ok, good
[20:56] <jcastro> mattgriffin: we need some Dio greatest hits in the store please!
[20:57] <beuno> falselight, if anything happens to it, you should have a reciept in your email, we can probably get you those tracks again
[20:57] <falselight> ah, that's really comforting! :) thank you
[20:57] <mattgriffin> jcastro: heh. ok. i'll update the stores soon. sad days.
[20:58] <smoser> pardon my ignorance, but how am I supposed to use ubuntu one ?
[20:58] <smoser> I've created a new directory in ~/Ubuntu\ One and populated it with some content, but it doesn't appear to be being synced.
[20:58] <smoser> (ie, it doesn't show up in the web view)
[20:59] <falselight> smoser, have you signed up for an account at one.ubuntu.com and associated it with your computer?
[20:59] <smoser> yes. and some files *are* synced
[21:01] <rye> smoser, what is the status of synchronization in ubuntuone-preferences ?
[21:02] <smoser> i just discovered that. it was 'disconnected'. i clicked 'Connect'. now i'm in 'Synchronization in progress'
[21:02] <smoser> in general am i supposed to have to do that ?
[21:03] <smoser> htat seems to have worked, but i was under the impression that it should "just work"
[21:05] <falselight> after i removed my computers, how do i add one again?
[21:16] <dobey> smoser: it should 'just work'
[21:16] <dobey> smoser: it may have been disconnected automatically for some reason and sitting in wait to reconnect perhaps
[21:17] <dobey> falselight: if you removed the machines remotely, you probably need to delete the token from the keyring, and then start preferences or run u1sdtool -c, to re-add the computer
[21:17] <dobey> gotta run, later :)
[21:17] <rapha> bye all!
[21:28] <falselight> i still can't seem to get my computer added to my cloud again
[21:33] <smoser> falselight, i'm having the same issue.
[21:33] <falselight> i found this
[21:33] <falselight> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/363243
[21:33] <smoser> i hcange hostname on one of my machines, deleted the one in ubuntuone, and cna't get the new one
[21:34] <rye> smoser, you will need to remove Ubuntu One token from keyring before re-launching ubuntuone-preferences - Applications / Accessories / Passwords & Encryption Keys
[21:35] <falselight> rye, that worked!
[21:36] <smoser> u1sync --reauthorize
[21:36] <smoser> seemed to fix
[21:38] <falselight> the music i've purchased will be added to my computer, right?
[21:44] <espen77> falselight: yes
[21:44] <falselight> it just takes some time, according to the one-blog...?
[21:45] <rye> falselight, right, there are minor issues now - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status#Music%20Store if you are sure that something is wrong
[21:46] <falselight> ah, it's good to see that an error has a understandable reason
[21:50] <falselight> it should have been possible to download folders containing multiple files, instead of doing one file at the time...
[21:52] <rye> falselight, do you mean that the files are in the cloud but are not downloading locally ?
[21:53] <falselight> yes
[21:59] <falselight> and that, i see the folder containing the music i purchased in the cloud, but i have to download one song at the time, instead of the entire folder
[22:03] <falselight> that's perhaps more of a missing feature than a problem
[22:03] <rye> falselight, could you please check that files are not in ~/.ubuntuone/Purchased\ from\ Ubuntu\ One ?
[22:04] <falselight> there they were... i did not know about that folder
[22:05] <falselight> i thought it would end up in ~/Ubuntu One
[22:07] <rye> falselight, hm, rhythmbox should have added that folder and scan it when files were added. .ubuntuone/Purchased\ from\ Ubuntu\ One is a User-Designated Folder
[22:08] <falselight> Banshee found the music too, but i did not notice the folder itself...
[22:13] <mkarnicki> perhaps any opinions on Android U1 GUI sketches :) ? http://goo.gl/7dVO
[22:13] <mkarnicki> I had a problem with a server, and some messages on IRC might have not reached me..
[22:43] <Ddorda> hey. is it possible to sync .empathy folder?
[22:51] <rapha> Hi again
[22:52] <rapha> Just bought an album ... clicked "proceed to checkout", now it's been sitting there for more than 5 minutes saying "Connecting you to the Ubuntu One Music Store"
[22:52] <rapha> have i bought it already? should i try again? should I wait (I'm on T1, I don't think it's my connection)?
[22:52] <rapha> honk
[22:52] <rapha> :-)
[23:06] <rye> rapha, contacted music store squad team member, he is checking right now what "Connecting you to the UBuntu One Music Store" means to be 100% sure.
[23:17] <kermiac> hey rye :) Do you think it would be helpful to add a section on useful u1sdtool command switches to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ#Files. duanedesign & I discussed the idea yesterday
[23:20] <rye> rapha, "proceed to the checkout is before the purchase"
[23:20] <rye> rapha, you might want to return to previous screen
[23:21] <rye> kermiac, i still want to have at least 50% done at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/Documentation ... but u1sdtool switches documentation midht be a good idea, i.e. not on FAQ page, but a separate page linked to it
[23:23] <kermiac> rye: ok, I'll try to put something together over then next few days. Thanks mate :)
[23:27] <kermiac> rye: looking through your documentation, I don't really think I need to do it. You've got the most important stuff covered already:)
[23:27] <kermiac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/ClientControl


[00:09] <rud0lf> wow
[00:10] <rud0lf> TIL you can browse with thunar as root prepending "admin://" to the file path
[13:13] <xubuntu8w> hi
[14:11] <gnrp> hm, quick question: I added another user to my system, but he doesn't see any sound cards. Is he missing a group?
[14:12] <diogenes_> gnrp, could be, add it to pulse or something, see the available groups here: cut -d: -f1 /etc/group | sort
[14:12] <gnrp> right, there's a group audio, that sounds like a good start^^
[14:12] <diogenes_> then list the groups your user is in: groups
[14:13] <diogenes_> then add it to a specific group like this: sudo usermod -a -G examplegroup exampleusername
[14:13] <diogenes_> then re-log
[14:13] <gnrp> yep, already did (using vigr though)
[14:13] <gnrp> just testing now
[14:16] <gnrp> there is actually this article here, but on my system, I have been in the audio group (and not in pulse) automatically anyway... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup
[14:20] <gnrp> hm, anyway, audio was not the group
[14:39] <gnrp> ok, after a restart (not only login/logout) it worked
[14:40] <diogenes_> gnrp, maybe you had 'save session' enabled.
[14:40] <gnrp> diogenes_: The other user was also still logged in, maybe it was that?
[14:40] <gnrp> I also deinstalled jack in the meantime
[14:42] <gnrp> whatever it was, it works now.^^
[14:42] <gnrp> thanks!
[14:42] <diogenes_> yw
[17:52] <renata444> Hey, since I upgraded to 19.10 I cant control my volume from the keyboard anymore. I see the volume animation lower and raise but sound does not change. I have to click the speaker and go into audio mixer settings and go to OUTPUT and then check the save as default check icon. Only then can I control the audio again. But this resets everytime I
[17:52] <renata444> restart my computer. What do I need to load in sessions and startup to insure this is done at boot? Or why is the setting not being saved?
[17:57] <renata444> its like the system does not know WHICH device, my camera microphone OR aduio card output, to give control, so neither has control. I have ot go in and choose which one has control and select it as the default, but this does not hold upon reboot.
[17:59] <brainwash> renata444: no solution, but I suggest to search the web with this query: "pulseaudio set default output"
[19:50] <xubuntu20w> I've got a question about the lock screen and power manager I can't seem to find answers to elsewhere. After a lid close of my laptop (Lenovo Yoga 710) when I get things going and log back in, after maybe 2-3 minutes, the lock screen will activate without me having done anything. Is there a way to get this fixed?
[19:53] <xubuntu20w> I'm also using Xubuntu 19.10


[08:29] <a7x> after bzr launchpad-login i get this warning WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-xxxx/pkcs11: Connection refused
[08:29] <a7x> should i mind?
[11:22] <bitonic> this is probably an uncommon question, but: is it possible to check the files of the local copy of a repo to have the same permission as the remote one?
[11:23] <bob2> probably want etckeeper
[11:23] <bob2> but metastore is a thing too
[11:25] <bitonic> bob2: is that a reply to my question?
[11:25] <bob2> sure
[11:28] <bitonic> bob2: http://joeyh.name/code/etckeeper/ this? it doesn't look like what I want
[11:28] <bob2> ok!
[11:28] <bitonic> my problem is that I copied a bzr repo on a fat drive, and then copied it somewhere else, now I lost the original permissions
[11:28] <bitonic> so I'd like to restore those of the original repo without recloning it
[11:29] <bob2> rsync
[11:29] <bob2> -a
[11:29] <bitonic> bob2: yeah too late, I don't have access to the drive with the original repo now :P
[11:29] <bob2> then you're screwed?
[11:29] <bob2> bzr didn't write it down anywhere
[11:30] <bitonic> ? I have a copy of the repo, but the permissions are messed up
[11:30] <bitonic> (that's the emacs repo btw)
[11:31] <bitonic> I'd like to restore the permissions of the files to what they are on the remote repo, without redownloading the whole thing
[11:31] <bob2> bzr does not version things aside from a+x or not
[11:31] <bob2> and oyu've lost access to the original repo
[11:31] <bob2> so where do you want to 'restore' the information from?
[11:31] <bitonic> bob2: no I haven't lost access to the original repo
[11:31] <bob2> then rsync -a
[11:32] <bitonic> I have lost access to the copy of the repo with the right permission (so I can't do rsync -a)
[11:32] <bitonic> wait I can use rsync on a bzr repo?
[11:32] <bob2> oh man
[11:32] <bob2> good luck
[11:33] <bitonic> it doesn't look like I can...
[11:34] <bob2> i think you need to think about the above a bit more
[11:34] <bob2> a) bzr doesn't version permissions
[11:34] <bob2> b) rsync -a will restore perms from one tree to another
[11:34] <bob2> c) if you have "lost access to the copy of the repo with the right permission" then you have lost access to the thing you're askign for, so you're boned
[11:35] <bitonic> bob2: bzr versions a+x or not as you said, which is what I did
[11:35] <bob2> good luck
[11:35] <bitonic> bob2: ok wait. here is the situation. I clone bzr branch bzr://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/emacs/branch
[11:36] <bitonic> on machine A. then I put the clone on a FAT drive and I put it on machine B. Now I've lost the permissions, but I can't access to machine A anymore.
[11:36] <bitonic> I want to restore the permissions from the original bzr repo
[11:36] <bitonic> is that possible with rsync or otherwise?
[12:27] <eagleon> cygwin is so annoying
[14:02] <hypnocat> when i try to emerge kicad on gentoo, bzr tries to read a launchpad respository and reports an internal error:
[14:02] <hypnocat> bzr: ERROR: exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'HTTPSConnection'
[14:04] <hypnocat> full emerge log here:  http://pastie.org/3971540
[14:07] <hypnocat> hmm.. according to this thread:  http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/gentoo-user-cannot-import-http-client-help-199938861.html
[14:07] <hypnocat> the error is caused by "an openssl problem introduced by the recent dev-libs/openss-1.0.0a-r2 which disables ssl support in Python itself."
[14:07] <hypnocat> doesn't say how to fix it, though
[14:07] <bob2> heh gentoo
[14:08] <bob2> probably just have to wait for  someone to fix their python
[14:10] <hypnocat> or i could try updating python
[14:10] <hypnocat> haven't done that in a while..
[14:11] <hypnocat> i hate updating python, perl, kde, and libreoffice on gentoo
[14:12] <hypnocat> it takes forever.. and updating perl and python will mean i'll have to update tons of other packages too.. a huge pain
[14:12] <hypnocat> but i guess it has to be done sometime..
[14:25] <bob2> well you chose gentoo
[14:26] <bob2> so presumably you like contributing to the heat death of the universe
[18:55] <hypnocat> well, looks like updating python helped
[18:55] <hypnocat> no more HTTPSConnection error from bzr when building kicad


[00:57] <Andy80> hi
[00:58] <Andy80> do you know if other then this one http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app/ there is another example possibly using not only QML but QML/C++ ?
[01:01] <chriadam> Andy80: http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/5.0/qtqml/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html
[01:06] <Andy80> chriadam, oh thank you :) I knew it, but I did think there was something specific for Ubuntu components :) even better for what I've to do ;) thanks :)
[06:07] <bobweaver> OMG every time the dang ppa is updated it does not work for more and more people !!!!!!!
[06:08] <bobweaver> Targeting one qtversion aka beta 1 is not the best of ideas just saying. Not mad but something needs to be done about this
[14:27] <mhall119> bobweaver: what is targeting specific qt versions?
[14:28] <bobweaver> ?
[14:28] <smartboyhw> mhall119, do you know when qt5.0 is packaged for raring?
[14:28] <bobweaver> Oh the compents
[14:28] <bobweaver> er
[14:28] <mhall119> bobweaver: our components?
[14:28] <bobweaver> Yeah
[14:28] <mhall119> smartboyhw: you mean non-beta packages?
[14:29] <smartboyhw> mhall119, yeah. qt5.0 is available for 12.10 but not 13.04, which I really :(
[14:29] <mhall119> bobweaver: can you file a bug on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit telling them where they're doing that?
[14:29] <bobweaver> Components *
[14:29] <mhall119> I'm not sure if this is something you can contribute a fix to or not
[14:30] <bobweaver> things are in different places mhall119  depending on what qt5 version you have installed
[14:30] <mhall119> smartboyhw: I'll see if we can get precise and raring builds
[14:30] <smartboyhw> mhall119, thx:D
[14:34] <bobweaver> mhall119,  I guess that I just think that it is a little bit silly to be building off of beta 1
[14:34] <bobweaver> when final is released
[14:35] <bobweaver> I guess that this is more of a wish list thing. for qt-edgers ppa
[14:36] <mhall119> bobweaver: they've got final packages in a separate PPA now, but only for quantal atm
[14:36] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper
[14:37] <bobweaver> mhall119,  cool ! how does that play against the ubuntu-ui-toolkit ?
[14:37] <bobweaver> I mean I am sure that it is easy to install but from ppa ?
[14:38] <mhall119> bobweaver: that I don't know, these packages install it to /usr/ instead of /opt/
[14:38] <mhall119> but the ~test1 in the version number makes me cautious
[14:38] <bobweaver> I see that Gabor Loki has a ppa also ?
[14:39] <bobweaver> for sed kit
[14:45] <Traumatizer> I''m sorry if this is a dumb question but I can't really seem to find any documentation on developing for ubuntu phone other than the CurrencyConverter tutorial.
[14:46] <Traumatizer> Yea it was pretty dumb. I found it: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html
[15:30] <GuidoPallemans> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-qmltypereference.html
[17:50] <Traumatizer> Hi, does anyone know how I can make an object extend from another? For exampe: URLContainer extends Rectangle like you would do in Java
[18:03] <disharmonic> Traumatizer, dunno. Maybe try the #qt channel. Or some of the other related ones
[18:07] <Traumatizer> Alright disharmonic. But I don't know if it would work in the first place. I'd need to create a new instance of that object than too. Using something like: New URLContainer = new URLContainer(arguments)
[18:07] <Traumatizer> and I doubt that is possible in Qt but i'm very inexperienced, so who knows
[18:09] <disharmonic> Traumatizer, I directed you to the QT channel because you posted this in #ubuntu-phone that uses QT5/QML  for UIs
[18:10] <Traumatizer> disharmonic, but how can you than program an app? If Qt is only used for the UI? You need more than that right
[18:15] <disharmonic> Not sure, it's supposed to be running a full linux stack under the hood. C++ at least i guess or any compiled language that has QT bindings
[23:46] <Pip> Good
[23:46] <usr13> Pip: Sorry...
[23:46] <Pip> it's okay
[23:46] <Pip> Glad to be here
[23:47] <Pip> I want to know what exactly Ubuntu for Android means
[23:48] <Pip> Is it an OS or a mobile computing device like a Ubuntu phone
[23:49] <Pip> Actually what I want is to install Ubuntu on my android phone
[23:49] <Pip> So that I don't need to buy another Ubuntu phone
[23:50] <k1l> Pip: ubuntu4android is the same like the motorola webtop or nettop thing. you have a smartphone with android and when you dock it you get a full ubuntu like on your pc. that is included in the ubuntu-phone now
[23:51] <Pip> Sounds magic
[23:51] <k1l> Pip: and when you read the topic, you see that there are no images or code published, yet.
[23:51] <k1l> and on the ubuntu.com page you can see the hardware requirements for ubuntu-phone. so you can see if your phone meets it
[23:52] <Pip> I thought they could just release some ROM as free software and I download to burn into my Android phone
[23:52] <Pip> thanks
[23:53] <Pip> I don't know about motoroal webtop or nettop
[23:53] <Pip> But I'd check them out
[23:54] <k1l> Pip: they will release some testing images and the code end of feb. but if its that easy to run on your phone i cant tell you
[23:54] <Pip> Understood
[23:54] <k1l> Pip: the motorola webtop thing is just to give you an idea what ubuntu4android is.
[23:55] <Pip> So once I dock the phone, I get Ubuntu OS started ?
[23:55] <k1l> yep
[23:55] <Pip> Interesting
[23:56] <Pip> So with a Ubuntu phone, the docking part is redundant, right?
[23:57] <k1l> yep. that is included in ubuntu-phone
[23:58] <k1l> that is ubuntu4ubuntu, if you want to call that feature :)
[23:59] <k1l> but IIRC you need the more powerfull hardware mentioned in the specs table for the ubuntu4ubuntu thing


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 download: speedtest-cli
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[06:37] <marusca> hi
[06:37] <marusca> holis
 can i limit my charging so it never reach 100 like stops on 90?
[08:38] <diogeness> Omarvx211, https://linrunner.de/tlp/settings/battery.html
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:33] <user|71> help! i do not understand how to install drivers for my 2.5 Gbps PCI_E Network Adapter
[15:03] <mparillo> You might get a larger audience in #ubuntu. It will help to know exactly which adapter. Many should have in-kernel support.
[16:38] <user|Adi> Hi
[16:38] <user|Adi> I'm not able to migrate from 18.04 to 20.04
[16:38] <user|Adi> getting issues when I run the following
[16:38] <user|Adi> pkexec do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE
[16:38] <user|Adi> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[16:38] <user|Adi> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[16:39] <user|Adi> when I run
[16:39] <user|Adi> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:39] <user|Adi> its not updating
[16:46] <diogenes_Vx15> user|Adi, try first: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:59] <JackFrost> That's...basically the same command..
[19:56] <cbreak> JackFrost: 18.04 is out of support I think
[19:57] <cbreak> you might have to do special things for it to work
[19:58] <cbreak> does https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades help you?
[20:24] <JackFrost> cbreak: Wasn't me.
[22:31] <cbreak> right, sorry :(
 hi, is someone participating at the graphic design contest?
 hi, is someone doing the graphic design contest?
[23:46] <oerheks> https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-graphic-design-contest/


[05:25] <draconicice> anybody around?
[05:25] <draconicice> how can i change power button functions
[05:25] <draconicice> on xubuntu
[05:27] <diogenes_> draconicice, http://i.imgur.com/TxNJHAP.png
[05:28] <draconicice> ah
[05:28] <draconicice> well i been there
[05:28] <draconicice> xfce power manager
[05:28] <diogenes_> right
[05:28] <draconicice> i actually want to have the power button on push be used to shut off and blank displays
[05:28] <draconicice> perhaps ah otkey is better?
[05:29] <draconicice> but i wouldn't know what command to run
[05:29] <draconicice> to do this
[05:30] <diogenes_> yes shortcuts or hotkeys is the way to go.
[05:30] <draconicice> diogenes_:
[05:30] <draconicice> problem is
[05:30] <draconicice> when i run xset dpms force off
[05:31] <draconicice> one of my 2 monitors shuts off fine
[05:31] <draconicice> the other continues to display "Check video cable"
[05:31] <draconicice> whereas when the monitors are shutoff via xfce power manager settings, they shut off normally
[05:32] <diogenes_> then ask in #xfce what is the command that xfce4-power-manager send in order to shut off the displays.
[05:35] <pirog> hi
[06:23] <gnrp> friendlyGoat: You have an Intel GPU, nouveau doesn't do anything?
[06:23] <friendlyGoat> gnrp: i gotta install it, i accidentally procrastinated a bit but i might need help with it due to it not having a release for 19.04
[06:26] <gnrp> friendlyGoat: nouveau is a driver for Nvidia GPUs, but yours is Intel. nouveau won't do anything
[06:27] <gnrp> friendlyGoat: I would rather check the regular things first.  I thought you would have installed your own one
[06:29] <gnrp> what is your kernel parameters when booting?
[06:29] <gnrp> I mean, your grub command line
[06:31] <gnrp> maybe put your /boot/grub/grub.cfg on pastebin
[06:38] <friendlyGoat> didnt see this, i'll get right on it
[06:39] <friendlyGoat> https://pastebin.com/EvzFpTEz @gnrp
[06:45] <gnrp> friendlyGoat: What does the splash screen at the moment look like? Can you take a photo with a phoen or so?
[06:45] <gnrp> does the file /boot/grub/leopard.jpeg exist?
[06:48] <gnrp> oh, and did you check out /boot/grub/gfxblacklist.txt ?
[06:56] <friendlyGoat> @gnrp the grub menu exists and is the default mac wallpaper from 2006 but once i start xubuntu itself instead of the normal splash screen that says XUBUNTU in nice big letters i just get it in plain text with little squares under it
[07:07] <friendlyGoat> any ideas?
[10:17] <gnrp> friendlyGoat: I don't really know what you mean with that
[10:17] <gnrp> Does the file /boot/grub/leopard.jpeg exist for you?
[10:19] <friendlyGoat> pardon, sorry for describing it badly
[10:19] <friendlyGoat> yes it does.
[10:19] <friendlyGoat> thats my background on the boot menu when im choosing which os to enter.
[10:27] <friendlyGoat> @gnrp (forgot to notify you)
[10:31] <gnrp> friendlyGoat: Could it be that your GPU is blacklisted in /boot/grub/gfxblacklist.txt ?
[10:52] <friendlyGoat> i used cat to view that, where would i see my gpu? i just see strings of numbers and letters with a * next to them @gnrp
[14:23] <appa> I have an https://genesi.company/products/smartbook that is very unsupported these days.    I'd like to learn what I'd need to keep it going with a modern xubuntu or maybe debian
[14:24] <appa> I figure it would include building kernels and such
[14:25] <CorvetteZR1> looks like just a regular arm device.  just installed armhf debian/ubuntu and away you go
[14:25] <CorvetteZR1> no kernel compiling needed
[14:37] <CorvetteZR1> appa: download it from here: https://ubuntu.com/download/server/arm
[14:37] <CorvetteZR1> don't worry about the server label, it's fine.  just minimal install
[14:39] <CorvetteZR1> once you get that installed and have a shell, you can run 'apt-get install xfce' as root and should be all set
[18:10] <appa> Thanks I will try that
[18:10] <appa> I hope it's that easy
[18:11] <appa> I'm comfortable adding whatever I need later
[18:11] <appa> Looks like he's gone
[22:46] <appa> so I'm not sure if it's going to work that easy
[22:46] <appa> I'm working out what to do with this: https://github.com/genesi/linux-legacy/


 On reboot, I have no desktop (just some blue default background without icons, doesn't catch right-click), only the panel. How do I start debugging this?
[06:44] <knome> there is no 16.10
[06:45] <Unhammer> argh sorry 16.04
[06:46] <Unhammer> xfdesktop4 4.12.3-2ubuntu1
[06:48] <knome> which graphics card are you using?
[06:48] <Unhammer> it's a thinkpad X200, so some intel I guess …
[06:49] <Unhammer> intel, Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller
[06:49] <Unhammer> driver=i915
[06:51] <Unhammer> oh hah if I type xfdesktop in a terminal, it shows again
[06:51] <Unhammer> so why doesn't it start automatically …
[06:52] <knome> if you run xfdesktop, then log out and in, does it work then?
[06:52] <Unhammer> oh, after a relogin, now it does!
[06:52] <Unhammer> (after running xfdesktop once manually)
[06:52] <knome> then sounds just like your session was saved without it running
[06:53] <Unhammer> so I probably won't be able to debug this :-/ Something went wrong, but hm
[06:53] <Unhammer> ooh that would explain why it started a term as well the second time
[06:53] <Unhammer> (i typically dont' save sessions)
[06:53] <Unhammer> but why would it save that it's *not* running?
[06:54] <Unhammer> shouldn't xfdesktop be exempt from session-saving anyway?
[06:54] <knome> no
[06:54] <knome> for example you might want to run another desktop manager
[06:56] <Unhammer> it crashed though, and I couldn't read the text since it was all white – which is probably how I hit the "save session" on trying to log out
[06:56] <knome> mhm
[06:56] <Unhammer> I feel like there ought to be some friendlier way to avoid that
[06:57] <Unhammer> e.g. noticing that you're running *no* DM?
[06:57] <knome> well
[06:57] <knome> suggestion (and especially patches) welcome
[06:57] <Unhammer> :)
[06:57] <knome> what if it was something you wanted to do?
[06:59] <Unhammer> of course; but given the possibility of situations like this, it'd be nice if xubuntu could both allow for the power user case, and not lead to borked systems for the non-power users
[06:59] <knome> i don't think how that is possible though
[07:00] <knome> because the latter implies we should always take care of making sure we launch some stuff if possible
[07:00] <knome> and power users wouldn't like that
[07:00] <knome> anyway, this shouldn'y happen very often
[07:02] <Unhammer> I find things that shouldn't happen very often, do happen very often on my less technical friends' installations :( but I guess I'll try coming up with something on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session
[07:05] <flocculant> if you're going to do something then https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfdesktop would be better - if nothing else you'll get more people saying why not or can't :)
[07:05] <Unhammer> aha, thanks
[11:54] <DexterF> heya.
[11:54] <DexterF> sort of side-topic, but how can one tell, to *which* serial port a device has been connected to?
[11:54] <DexterF> device in question is a barcode scanner
[14:57] <xubuntu496> theinstalationfailed
[14:57] <xubuntu496> canyouhelpme
[14:59] <xubuntu496> iamatthelastpartofinstallation
[16:58] <n-iCe> do people actually use lts more than 9 months supported releases?
[17:00] <Nairwolf> do you mean non-lts version ? like 15.10 ?
[17:01] <n-iCe> yes
[17:01] <n-iCe> I'm thinking in move to xubuntu from lubuntu
[17:01] <Nairwolf> I'm personaly use Xubuntu 14.04 because I wanted stability.
[17:01] <Nairwolf> But now, I'm thinking to upgrade for each new xubuntu release
[17:01] <Nairwolf> 16.04 then 16.10, etc
[17:01] <Unit193> I use the normal release or development.
[17:01] <n-iCe> Nairwolf: I see, and why xubuntu beside ubuntu or lubuntu
[17:02] <n-iCe> I have a laptop, I want the best for it.
[17:02] <n-iCe> and I don't know if it is a laptop problem or distro issue, but laptop fan is always on.
[17:02] <n-iCe> even with no stress
[17:02] <Nairwolf> my personal computer is fast and powerful. Ubuntu would work with my laptop, but I don't want something heavy.
[17:02] <Nairwolf> And I don't really like the ubuntu style
[17:02] <Nairwolf> I prefer xubuntu
[17:02] <Nairwolf> I've used lubuntu before with a really old computer.
[17:02] <n-iCe> I see, why not lubuntu which is lighter
[17:03] <Nairwolf> because I want the best compromise between light and features
[17:03] <n-iCe> I see
[17:03] <n-iCe> so xubuntu then
[17:03] <Nairwolf> what is laptop fan ?
[17:03] <n-iCe> what do you think about my issue, you thinkg changing distro may help?
[17:03] <n-iCe> uhm
[17:03] <Nairwolf> just try in live session, and see what you prefer
[17:03] <n-iCe> the laptop fan
[17:04] <Nairwolf> oh, I didn't know what "fan" means. I got it. It's weird if your fan is always on with lubuntu
[17:04] <Nairwolf> Try xubuntu on live, and you'll see
[17:05] <n-iCe> where are you from
[17:05] <Nairwolf> maybe you can configure your fan more precisly, but I don't know how to do that
[17:05] <Nairwolf> France
[17:05] <n-iCe> oh I see
[17:05] <n-iCe> I was in Paris
[17:05] <n-iCe> few days ago
[17:05] <n-iCe> just came back to my country
[17:05] <Nairwolf> oh ;)
[17:05] <Nairwolf> Where are you now ?
[17:05] <n-iCe> I'm from México
[17:05] <Nairwolf> nice !
[17:05] <n-iCe> Went to Madrid, Barcelona, Firenze, Veence, Paris, Amsterdam and London
[17:06] <Nairwolf> Europe trop !
[17:06] <Nairwolf> trip
[17:06] <n-iCe> Europe trip, yeah
[17:06] <Nairwolf> sounds nice ;)
[17:06] <n-iCe> yeah yeah, well I'm downloading Xubuntu
[17:06] <Nairwolf> You should have visit south of france. Much better.
[17:06] <Nairwolf> for your laptop, you know how to boot on a live session ?
[17:06] <n-iCe> 5 minutes and I will make my usb bootable
[17:06] <Nairwolf> next week, 16.04 will be release
[17:06] <Nairwolf> released
[17:06] <n-iCe> Nairwolf: I went to lyon and dijon
[17:07] <n-iCe> I slept a night in dijon
[17:07] <n-iCe> Nairwolf: Yeah I know.
[17:07] <Nairwolf> ok, great ;)
[17:08] <Nairwolf> if you want to change on Xubuntu, you should wait one week more, I think
[17:08] <n-iCe> can change later too
[17:08] <n-iCe> or just upgrade
[17:09] <n-iCe> I don't do backups
[17:09] <n-iCe> All is in the cloud
[17:09] <n-iCe> How old are you?
[17:09] <Nairwolf> 25 years old. We should talk on #xubuntu-offtopic
[17:10] <Nairwolf> I'm not so much fan of cloud
[17:10] <n-iCe> 1m and download is done
[17:10] <Nairwolf> I want to keep my data with me, and close to me ;)
[17:12] <n-iCe> ok Nairwolf
[17:12] <n-iCe> download is done
[17:16] <n-iCe> creatin bootable usb flash drive
[17:18] <glumpy> Hello
[17:18] <n-iCe> hello
[17:18] <Nairwolf> I hope your experience will be great ;)
[17:18] <n-iCe> hope so
[17:19] <n-iCe> coming back
[17:19] <n-iCe> rebooting into xubuntu
[17:19] <glumpy> Is there a better way to deal with screensaver/turning off the screen while idle/listning to music (not watching videos) besides caffeine which needs to be enabled/disabled all the time?
[17:34] <n-iCe> ok
[17:34] <n-iCe> I'm in xubuntu
[17:36] <Nairwolf> oh, nice !
[17:36] <Nairwolf> what do you think ?
[17:36] <Nairwolf> Is it Xubuntu 15.10 or 14.04 ?
[17:37] <n-iCe> can't install
[17:37] <n-iCe> error
[17:38] <n-iCe> let's try again
[17:38] <n-iCe> same error
[17:38] <n-iCe> dammit
[17:45] <Nairwolf> what do you use to create your usb live ?
[17:52] <n-iCe> Im back
[17:52] <n-iCe> did not work
[17:52] <n-iCe> downloading iso again, something went wrong
[17:57] <Nairwolf> have you checked the md5 ?
[18:23] <n-iCe> dammit
[18:46] <n-iCe> Ok, done, is working now.
[20:10] <rfcreek> hi
[20:14] <xubuntu60w> Hey, so I created a .themes folder in my home directory. How do I access the themes I have moved there via the 'appearance' window in settings?
[20:14] <xubuntu60w> Only the default themes are accessible
[20:15] <xubuntu60w> Must I move the themes to usr/share/themes instead?
[20:16] <xubuntu60w> My terminal knowledge is extremely basic.
[20:16] <knome> if you will only use the themes on that user, they are ok in ~/.themes
[20:17] <xubuntu60w> Ok, and yes I'm the only user on my machine.
[20:17] <xubuntu60w> So how do I access the themes in that folder so I may change from the default themes?
[20:19] <xubuntu60w> Actually, it looks like one of the two themes I downloaded are now accessible from the settings menu
[20:20] <xubuntu60w> The other doesn't seem to show up though
[20:20] <knome> what subfolders does the theme have?
[20:21] <xubuntu60w> darklude/xfwm4/
[20:21] <xubuntu60w> Then a bunch of .xpm files
[20:21] <xubuntu60w> and a plain text doc
[20:22] <knome> xubuntu60w, that's a window manager theme, so you need to change that under settings manager -> window manager
[20:22] <xubuntu60w> Got it
[20:22] <xubuntu60w> My mistake
[20:22] <xubuntu60w> thanks
[20:23] <rfcreek> I'm trying to get xubuntu running on a baytrail-based netbook and my touchpad doesn't work properly. Is it possible to force xubuntu to use a different module or is there another way to troubleshoot the problem?
[20:24] <rfcreek> I think the touch pad is recognized as hid generic but it seems the multi touch is sending additional data that this driver might interpret incorrectly
[20:25] <rfcreek> so with every input action on the touchpad it also recognizes a change in the y axis which moves the mouse cursor slightly upwards. If I move left/right it also moves equally upwards
[20:27] <rfcreek> sadly I'm not very versed when it comes to modules