[00:09] <maps> yo
[00:09] <maps> ;]
[00:16] <daftykins> 'lo
[00:17] <mapps> hey dude
[00:17] <mapps> so my nexus7 issue looks to have been simply a case of the oplug borked
[00:18] <mapps> using my dads nexus7 plug i guess any plug with usb would work but its chargin
[00:18] <mapps> ;]
[00:19] <daftykins> they vary a lot in amp ratings these days
[00:20] <mapps> o
[00:20] <mapps> i thought all can be used for any device..they donmt even give you the plug most times..just the USB cable
[00:20] <daftykins> chap i know is insistent on keeping around all these rubbish old 500mA ones, when most devices want 1.2-2.1A
[00:21] <mapps> what were the 500mA ones used for
[00:21] <daftykins> earlier smartphones
[00:22] <mapps> o
[00:22] <daftykins> actually i might be thinking of USB spec there, definitely seen 800mA - 1A though
[00:22] <shauno> 500mA used to be the usb standard, so wall-warts were built for 500 because why would you want anything else?
[00:25] <ali1234> i was playing around with an old nicad charger earlier... 60mA trickle charging
[00:25] <mapps> hm i got a motorola moto g dual sim phone so i could use ee and gib tel both nano sims..the guide says not to use sim adapters..id planned on using nano -> micro adapters..motoraol site says any damage through using adapters is your own fault --- so guess thats why
[00:25] <mapps> and hopefully it would work?
[00:26] <ali1234> of course it will work
[00:26] <daftykins> ali1234: haha, weren't all the batteries dead?
[00:26] <mapps> ;D
[00:26] <mapps> thought so
[00:26] <ali1234> the worst that will happen is it might get stuck in the slot
[00:26] <ali1234> then just remove it carefully ie don't jam a screwdriver in it
[00:26] <mapps> yea
[00:26] <ali1234> daftykins: that's what i'm trying to figure out
[00:27] <daftykins> huzzah!
[00:27] <ali1234> nicads only wear out through use though, afaik
[00:27] <ali1234> unlike lithium batteries
[00:28] <shauno> usually what they actually mean by that is that they don't support it.  if there's any odd behaviour they'll blame your adaptor first
[00:29] <shauno> (I mean, they're literally plastic shims.  it's hard to go wrong, and if you do, it's your fault)
[00:29] <mapps> anyone recommend some good linux like magazine ..read a few of fullcirclemagazine and follow urban penguin video guides..nothing in particular just general
[03:50] <mapps> ugh feel like hayfever's coming on
[03:50] <mapps> but surely not..not tyhe right season for it
[03:51] <diddledan> flu
[03:53] <mapps> nah it happenms everytime i go to my dads
[03:53] <mapps> he reckons its the grass..but seems unlikely]
[03:53] <diddledan> he smokes grass? :-p
[03:54] <mapps> no:P
[03:54] <mapps> the grass in the garden heh
[03:57]  * diddledan trollin
[03:58] <mapps> ;]
[03:58] <mapps> 2 broke girls..state of affairs then a few hrs sleep probably
[03:59] <diddledan> I'm watching leverage
[04:01] <mapps> what ep?
[04:02] <mapps> i got a bit fedup with leverage tbh
[04:02] <diddledan> I'm up to s1e11 - the juror job
[04:08] <mapps> In the year 2043, 93.6% has been wiped out by a virus released by "Army of the Twelve Monkeys". James Cole uses a dangerous and untested form of time travel to return to 2015 in an effort to change the fate of the human race. With the help of Cassandra Railly, a virologist, and Jennifer Goines, a math genius with mental issues, Cole will attempt to track down and destroy the source of the
[04:08] <mapps> deadly virus.
[04:08] <mapps> hm
[04:35] <mapps> what to do]
[05:26] <diddledan> mapps: was it you asking about linux mags? I subscribe to "linux voice" which started off the back of a kickstarter-esque drive to fund their first year's cycle - they're just entering their second year now. it's the former editorial team that left linux format a while ago
[05:26] <mapps> ye
[05:26] <mapps> REMEMBER hearing of that..any good?
[05:27] <diddledan> they are, yeah - plus their appeal to foss freedoms
[05:27] <diddledan> they release their articles within 9 months under creative commons licenses
[05:28] <mapps> cool
[05:28] <mapps> still not got my nexus7 to turn on..using a diff charger and the backlight comes on..sio id assume its charging? but cant get it to turn on..tried hard reset..power and vol +_
[05:29] <diddledan> grr
[05:29] <mapps> i remember reading it takes hours to charge up after a nexus7 is drained down to 0
[05:29] <mapps> but my other charger mnusn';t be workming tried it with my moto g phone..doesnt charge, using my dads nexus7 charger it does...but yea still nothing
[05:30] <mapps> dunno whether to keep trying hard reset or leave it plugged in fora few more hours?
[05:30] <diddledan> try holding volume up and down along with power button for about 30 seconds
[05:31] <mapps> vol down? thought only vol up does anything?
[05:31] <diddledan> both volume up and down
[05:31] <diddledan> together
[05:32] <mapps> loadsa posts about this issue eh]
[05:32] <mapps> people say about the battery and connectors coming lose..but surely if that was the case when i plug the charger in the backlight wouldnt come on?
[05:36] <diddledan> yeah, I _think_ that the battery is probably a requirement for any power to work
[05:38] <mapps> yea but i mean would it come on just due to mains
[05:38] <mapps> the backjlight?
[07:31] <knightwise> morning everyone :)
[07:35] <diddledan> allo
[08:09] <Myrtti_> time of day
[08:18] <diddledan> Myrtti: bedtime?
[08:19] <Myrtti> nah, crochet time
[09:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:39] <diddledan> m00
[09:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheese Lovers Day! :-D
[09:53] <diddledan> cheese, gromit?
[10:49] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[11:02] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:06] <popey> yo
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> yoyo
[11:06] <popey> ahhh, so nice having disks spin down in my server
[11:07] <popey> loving it
[11:07] <popey> 30s spin up is less fun :)
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: doesn't that decrease their lifespan though? if you stop/start them a lot?
[11:07] <popey> define " a lot "
[11:07] <MartijnVdS> several times an hour?
[11:08] <popey> its not that often
[11:08] <popey> once every 6 hours if I dont use the server
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> sounds reasonable enough :)
[11:08] <popey> well, one set of disks wakes every 6 hours to do a backup
[11:08] <popey> the other set of disks wakes up once a day to update databases and stuff
[11:09] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9793465/
[11:09] <popey> they look like that a _lot_
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> what do you use them for?
[11:11] <popey> one set of 4 is for rsnapshot backups
[11:11] <popey> of laptop, VPSs, desktop, phone :)
[11:11] <popey> the other is a set of 4 as a dumping ground for stuff that i can easily re-get
[11:11] <popey> e.g. downloaded stuff like music
[11:12] <popey> i destroyed my 12 disk btrfs volume after some of it got corrupted :(
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> :( did you figure out the reason for the SATA errors btw?
[11:26] <popey> yeah, i think it's the array
[11:26] <popey> have taken that out
[11:26] <diddledan> :-(
[11:50] <davmor2> JamesTait: I missed todays announcement but black bomber ftw \o/
[11:58] <JamesTait> davmor2, happy Cheese Lovers' Day. :)
[11:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: hence the black bomber comment :)
[12:00] <bashrc> black bomber?
[12:00] <davmor2> bashrc: look it up
[12:04] <DJones> Heh, there's a major new bridge being built near me across the mersey, just hope it doesn't join to the rest of the road network like this one http://bit.ly/1ztrL8a
[12:05] <DJones> Although the kids would love it in snowy weather
[12:07] <zmoylan-pi> wow a bridge that was designed to hate cyclists :-)
[12:08] <DJones> They'd be ok coming down....
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> unless there's frost on the ground...
[12:10] <davmor2> bashrc: http://www.snowdoniacheese.co.uk/cheese/black-bomber/ one of the best mature Cheddars about
[12:11] <bashrc> never heard of it
[12:11] <popey> mmmmm cheese
[12:11] <popey> http://drool.popey.com
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> how many types of cheeses are there again? :-)
[12:12] <diddledan> DJones: err, wtf? is that real?
[12:12] <DJones> diddledan: Yep, The Sanpo Bridge
[12:12] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: 4 solid, speadable, cottage and cream
[12:14] <diddledan> wow
[12:16] <DJones> Looks like its got a cyclepath up the side :)
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> blessed are the cheesemakers...
[12:54] <davmor2> He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy
[12:55] <zmoylan-pi> i feel a rewatching of the sacred movie is in order...
[12:55] <diddledan> davmor2:!!
[12:55] <diddledan> davmor2: all hail brain
[12:56] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: the princess bride?
[12:56] <zmoylan-pi> now leaning towards double feature
[12:57] <diddledan> lol
[12:57] <diddledan> you're all different. you're all individuals. (I'm not!)
[12:57] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: oh you meant the holy grail
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> nobody, and i repeat nobody is to throw anything until i blow this whistle
[12:58] <davmor2> right who was that?
[12:58] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you're a pervert
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> well he did say jehovah...
[12:58] <diddledan> any women present?
[12:58] <davmor2> stone him
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> welease woger
[13:12] <diddledan> woger the cabin boty
[13:12] <diddledan> boy*
[14:20] <Azelphur> haha wow, #freenode is a mess atm, so much spam and trolls in there xD
[14:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: stop joining so many channels then
[14:21] <Azelphur> never :P
[14:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: well stop spamming them then ;)
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> you could monitor that channel for ips to block so
[14:21] <Azelphur> haha
[14:22] <Azelphur> in other news the drivers for my fingerprint scanner on my new laptop work great, as long as you only want to do one scan :P
[14:22] <Azelphur> and...the thing to enroll your fingerprint wants to scan your finger 5 times
[14:22] <Azelphur> :<
[14:23]  * zmoylan-pi scribbles note to bring knife if i want to nick Azelphur's laptop :-P
[14:23] <Azelphur> well, you can't, since I can't train the laptop to recognise my print haha
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> i'll bring it just in case
[14:26]  * zmoylan-pi also brings the soundtrack for reservoir dogs to pass time
[14:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:33] <shauno> is there a way to export the build config for your running kernel?
[14:35] <shauno> (other than /proc/kconfig, since distros don't seem to use this option)
[14:40] <diddledan> shauno: is it not in /boot?
[14:41] <diddledan> (I haven't checked but that used to be a common place to store it
[14:41] <diddledan> )
[14:41] <diddledan> shauno: I have /boot/config-3.16.0-25-generic
[14:42] <shauno> oh aye, that looks just the ticket, cheers
[14:43] <diddledan> I assume that's done via the debian packaging thing
[14:43] <diddledan> rather than necessarily being standard
[14:44] <diddledan> so building your own kernel won't replicate unless you either do it yourself or create a .deb
[14:50] <SuperEngineer> Anyone hrard of this company, or know of a better option for replacement batteries? http://www.ukbatteryfast.co.uk/acer-aspire-one-aoa150-battery-p-852
[14:50] <popey> i bought one on ebay a while back
[14:51] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/power_biz from that vendor
[14:51] <diddledan> I just heard what has to be almost the worst thing ever: someone wants to eat an after-eight at 2pm!
[14:52] <SuperEngineer> thanks popey
[14:54] <shauno> oh this is gonna get messy.  trying to just grab 3.17 from sid, but it wants to bring a new version of gcc with it ..
[14:54] <popey> http://steamleft.com/span/76561198026048912
[14:54] <popey> "It would take you...
[14:54] <popey> 2187 continuous hours
[14:54] <popey> 91 days,3 hours,49 minutes
[14:54] <diddledan> shauno: awesome!
[14:54] <popey> of gameplay to complete your Steam library"
[14:54] <popey> oops
[14:54] <popey> sorry
[14:55] <ali1234> how is that calculated?
[14:55] <diddledan> popey: see you in three months
[14:55] <popey> no idea
[14:56] <ali1234> how many games do you have?
[14:57] <diddledan> ali1234: all of them
[14:57] <diddledan> :-p
[14:57] <popey> not many
[14:57] <ali1234> about 150 to 200 right?
[14:57] <popey> 206
[14:57] <ali1234> so that's 10 hours per game
[14:58]  * popey notes 218 hours clocked up in one gane
[14:58] <popey> *game
[14:58] <popey> not doing this right!
[14:58] <ali1234> data on games from http://howlongtobeat.com/ apparently
[14:59] <popey> 47 hours on LA Noire#
[14:59] <ali1234> i'd say about 90% of the games i have are rubbish anyway, possibly more
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> yeah lots of them are
[15:03] <ali1234> 233 total games, 168 for linux, 25 that i consider "good", and about 50 that i want to play but they either don't work or aren't ported yet
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> I've been gaming on my Windows machine.. yay Elite: Dangerous :)
[15:09] <shauno> man, this is gonna totally send me into 'grumpy old man' mode.  yes|make oldconfig doesn't work anymore :(
[15:10] <ali1234> does anyone else think ubuntu and linux are totally inappropriate for use in robotics?
[15:10] <bashrc> not at all
[15:10] <bashrc> a few years ago I used ubuntu extensively for robotics
[15:10] <zmoylan-pi> gives you a fighting chance if the robot goes rogue :-)
[15:11] <ali1234> how did you get around the slow interrupt handling and lack of real-time?
[15:12] <bashrc> In my case I wasn't needing deterministic tasking
[15:12] <bashrc> I used ROS
[15:14] <ali1234> also, does anyone else think they're completely inappropriate for IoT as well?
[15:15] <ali1234> is there any hardware that can run ubuntu and uses less than 0.001W?
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> 0.001W? that's not a lot
[15:17] <zmoylan-pi> devices are getting smaller all the time... http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/mousebox-is-a-computer-in-a-mouse-the-next-evolution-of-the-pc-30922506.html
[15:17] <ali1234> it's what you need for IoT if you don't want to be carrying around a huge battery
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: my Hue Tap doesn't even have a battery :)
[15:18] <ali1234> mirocontrollers designed for IoT are typically 200 micro amps per MHz
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/gallery-dissecting-the-philips-hue-tap-wireless-battery-less-controller/
[15:18] <ali1234> there's no need for anything more
[15:19] <ali1234> right, that uses such little power it can work from the energy of button pushes
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[15:20] <shauno> most the things that are advertising 2-3 year battery life don't require an OS in the first place
[15:20] <ali1234> IoT devices that need replacement batteries or have to be charged every day are just going to end up gathering dust in a cupboard
[15:20] <ali1234> and that definitely includes anything running linux
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> unless it can super-suspend somehow and only use power when required
[15:21] <MartijnVdS> but not a lot of things do that
[15:22] <ali1234> even if you have things that are plugged in like lightbulbs... well, okay
[15:22] <ali1234> let's say you put an ubuntu computer into every lightbulb in your house
[15:22] <ali1234> that's going to cost you £10 per year per lightbulb in electricity just because of how power hungry linux is
[15:23] <shauno> these are things you wouldn't use linux for in the first place though
[15:24] <ali1234> you'd think that
[15:24]  * zmoylan-pi looks at all the rasp pi projects out there :-)
[15:24] <ali1234> http://www.ubuntu.com/things
[15:25] <shauno> hah
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: on the cloud-side of IoT I would probably run Ubuntu though.. the bit all the devices talk to
[15:26] <ali1234> it's almost as if someone is just desperately trying to jump on every bandwagon without considering any of the technical details at all
[15:26] <shauno> I noticed a project recently where a guy had done a rather well-finished build with an rpi making an 'internet radio'
[15:27] <shauno> watching him stare at it for 2 minutes while it sat doing SFA while it booted, was excruciating
[15:27] <shauno> "simply put the SD card in your Beaglebone, power it on, wait 1-2 minutes and your snappy system"  nope.  fial.
[15:27] <shauno> *fail  heh
[15:27] <ali1234> http://spritesmods.com/?art=clockradio&page=1
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> if he put the finished project in an old valve radio case it would be appropriate :-)
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> 'takes a while for the wireless to warm up', my father words explaining the old valve radio he got as wedding present
[16:09] <knightwise> ali1234: shauno are you guys talking about pi-musicbox ?
[16:09] <ali1234> no
[16:10] <knightwise> I played with that , its pretty good and might be a good solution if you want to stream internet radio, spotify AND music from your NAs
[16:12] <zmoylan-pi> can't you do that on your phone?
[16:12] <shauno> I was more commenting that it shouldn't take 2 minutes to boot a radio
[16:13]  * zmoylan-pi who grew up with valve radios isn't too pushed by that :-)
[16:13] <shauno> well, we shouldn't be aiming to emulate the 1930s
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> good things come to those who wait :-)
[16:14] <shauno> nah
[16:15] <shauno> good things come to those who buy into a closed ecosystem, because open suffers from very low standards ;)
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> i have noticed a few people complain about the amount of time it takes a smart tv to boot
[16:19] <knightwise> the whole point of the rasp is that you let it run in the background
[16:21] <shauno> the whole point of the pi is to get a cheap computer into schools
[16:21] <shauno> it's not really suited for most the tasks we're putting it to.  eg, it has absolutely no power management at all
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> there are after market boards that can assist with that
[16:23] <shauno> there's boards that'll add a soft shutdown.  there's not a way to add, eg, a sleep state
[16:24] <ali1234> the raspberry pi is really terrible hardware in almost every way
[16:25] <ali1234> it's in the awkward position where it is neither efficient nor powerful
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> cheap, powerful, flexible. pick one
[16:25] <ali1234> at this point the raspberry pi is none of these things
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> well that's moores law... :-)
[16:26] <ali1234> most people use it like a more expensive arduino
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> it's an arduino that doesn't need to be connected to a pc to program
[16:26] <ali1234> so it's an arduino?
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> less flexible than an arduino
[16:28] <ali1234> it would be more accurate to say it's like an arduino with a PC permanently connected to it using power
[16:28] <ali1234> a PC from 1993 though
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> no pc i had in 93 did usb or wireless :-)
[16:29] <ali1234> the raspberry pi doesn't do wireless
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> does when i plug in wireless adapter
[16:29] <ali1234> and it does USB about as well as a PC from 1997
[16:29] <shauno> my amiga does wireless if you plug in a wireless adapter
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> well... an amiga...
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> one season of babylon 5 can't be wrong :-)
[16:33] <knightwise> Lol
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> the pi is a compromise.  and fairly good one.  it's captured the mind share of people who ignored all the better single board computers that were already out there
[16:35] <ali1234> yes, entirely through marketing
[16:35] <ali1234> it's basically captured the market for people who want to pretend they are computer programmers without learning anything
[16:35] <ali1234> ie the market previously served by arduino
[16:36] <zmoylan-pi> same as 8bit computers in 80s so.  but a lot of programmers did start on those systems
[16:36] <ali1234> and before arduino that market was served by those books where you had to type in the program onto your BBC or C64
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> i had a spectrum you insensitive clod :-)
[16:37] <ali1234> lol
[16:37] <zmoylan-pi> and i spent days typing in some listings.  and i learned from it
[16:38] <ali1234> what did you learn?
[16:38] <zmoylan-pi> 1) where the buttons where 2) not to make typos 3) what the flip syntax error was 4) to code
[16:39] <zmoylan-pi> and save often to tape
[17:10] <awilkins_> Spectrum 128 +2 was so much more productive
[17:10] <awilkins_> i) Semi-decent keyboard
[17:11] <awilkins_> ii) A BASIC mode that didn't use the stupid keycap token thing
[17:11] <awilkins_> You could type "LOAD" instead of J
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> the renumber option for code in the editor
[17:12]  * popey <3 his +2
[17:12] <awilkins_> The reason Pi doesn't have the same impact as the home micros of back then is because it's trying to replicate the same experience
[17:12] <awilkins_> You can't, because YouTube
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> i didn't like the non standard joystick ports though
[17:13] <awilkins_> And every other source of always-on instant gratification over the network
[17:13] <popey> yeah, those sinclair joysticks were terrible
[17:13] <zmoylan-pi> they've sold 4 million pis.  if that's failure...
[17:13]  * popey loved his Konix Speed King
[17:13] <awilkins_> I had a Powerplay Cruiser with 2 plugs, one for Sinclair socket
[17:13] <shauno> hah, I have one of those for the amiga  (the konix)
[17:13] <awilkins_> <3 Powerplay Cruiser
[17:14] <awilkins_> Never liked the Konix, game me blisters
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> i had cheetah 125+ joysticks for +2.  i ended up using keyboard all the time
[17:14] <popey> I used to get great scores on Hyper Sports with it
[17:14] <daftykins> is that J loading thing why i keep seeing people post messages and end it with a single line of 'J' online? i think it's J anyway
[17:14] <popey> it was good for races, left-right-left-right was easy with very little movement
[17:14] <awilkins_> "J" was the key with "LOAD" on it
[17:14] <popey> J pp
[17:14] <awilkins_> Spectrum used to expand single keypresses (and combos) into BASIC tokens
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> j symbol shift p twice
[17:15] <shauno> and I'm not saying the pi is a failure.  I'm saying linux isn't the answer to everything.  especially when they want to shove a generalized distro on there.  the more generic you try to make it, the less suited it is for embedded use
[17:16] <awilkins_> Yeah, those old computers just used to boot straight into a BASIC environment
[17:16] <zmoylan-pi> and that's why there's so many distros to run on the pi including risc os from bbc archimedes :-)
[17:21] <awilkins_> But the point about instant gratification still holds
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi> programmers are different, we will work for days to make something that saves us 5 minutes in the future if we feel it's worth it
[17:23] <shauno> it's not just gratification.  I was mostly referencing to the 'internet of things' stuff we were talking about before.  2 minutes for my laptop to boot is acceptable.  2 minutes for my lightbulb to boot isn't
[17:23] <daftykins> hehe
[17:24]  * zmoylan-pi has cfl light bulbs that 2-3 mins to warm up. i pointed it out recently that it's better at night as it's not instant bright light hurting your eyes :-)
[17:24] <daftykins> true that, takes ages to get bright in my bedroom though
[17:24] <daftykins> what if i sat on the cat accidentally!?
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> the cat would let me know
[17:25] <daftykins> via telegram? :D
[17:25] <daftykins> "urgent telegram for zmoylan-pi from dafty's cat!"
[17:26] <zmoylan-pi> the worlds most one sided game of x's and o's :-)
[17:51] <popey> Myrtti: how often do you "remove all channels" in irssinotifier
[17:51] <popey> ?
[17:54] <Myrtti> popey: I don't get highlighted often, so not a lot, especially now that I'm not in most Ubuntu channels I used to frequent and thus don't get hilights
[17:55] <Myrtti> and even then I've configured it to alert only when I'm away
[17:58] <popey> ok
[18:48] <camason> hi guys. Just booted up an old 13.04 install - trying to update and upgrade, but apt is showing a bunch of 404 errors against security.ubuntu.com raring-security
[18:48] <camason> any pointers?
[18:48] <popey> it will do
[18:48] <popey> 13.04 is out of support
[18:48] <awilkins_> 404 is because the files are not there anymore!
[18:48] <camason> makes sense
[18:49] <popey> disable the security repo in system settings and upgrade it
[18:49] <popey> or reinstall, whatever
[18:49] <awilkins_> From memory there's a "old stuff" repo?
[18:49] <awilkins_> Not sure how much it has in it
[18:49] <popey> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[18:49] <popey> s/stuff/releases/
[18:49] <awilkins_> Last time I looked was for my very very old MythTV box
[18:50] <awilkins_> I do wonder if the new builds will actually perform better on the hardware
[18:50] <awilkins_> Since they redid it all in Qt4
[18:51] <awilkins_> For that kind of gap I'd probably back up my /home and reinstall / restore (to a subfolder)
[18:54] <camason> I imagine it would be easier now If I just purge this install and start again?
[18:55] <daftykins> camason: yeah backup and clean install of 14.04.1 would make far more sense and be time effective
[18:55] <mapps> hhi all
[18:55] <camason> ok I'll do that. I'll burn 14.04 to the CD as that's still working
[18:57] <daftykins> *DVD
[18:57] <daftykins> 14.04.1 ;)
[18:57] <camason> I was too lazy to type dvd
[18:57] <daftykins> hah
[18:58] <camason> crazy year for work... thought I'd actually boot my gaming PC to have a session, only to remember that the Windows 7 install was fubar, and ubuntu was on an old non-lts release
[18:58] <daftykins> camason: if it were still before Christmas we could get you a flash drive to install from
[18:58] <camason> eh?
[18:58] <daftykins> as a present
[18:59] <camason> nice
[18:59] <camason> typical tonight I left all my USB drives at the office
[18:59] <camason> I need to do it anyway... TF2 just isn't the same on a Mac
[19:00] <daftykins> heh
[19:00] <camason> I have a GTX 780 in there I've never used.  Riding a motorcycle in it is terrible
[19:03] <mapps> here im cold:((
[19:03] <mapps> never need a coat there..hjere do
[19:04] <mapps> sent a text to my boss saying im staying perm
[19:04] <mapps> ;D
[19:04] <daftykins> XD
[19:04] <daftykins> it's down to 5 deg C here on Guernsey atm
[19:04] <mapps> said id decide by 19th jan when i went back to uk]
[19:04] <mapps> Gibraltar
[19:04] <mapps> Tuesday 20:00
[19:04] <mapps> Mostly Cloudy
[19:04] <mapps> undefined
[19:04] <mapps> 9°C | °F
[19:04] <mapps> Precipitation: 5%
[19:04] <mapps> Humidity: 93%
[19:04] <mapps> Wind: 6 mph
[19:04] <mapps> TemperaturePrecipitationWind
[19:04] <mapps> and thats 'cold' for them
[19:05] <mapps> never seen it really cold..sometim,es strongish winds from the sea but thats it
[19:05] <daftykins> yeah coastal can be a bit blargh
[19:05] <mapps> daddy's fixing my iphone screen atm:DDD
[19:05] <mapps> and its rained maybe 3-4x since ive been there 4 months
[19:05] <daftykins> nasty fruity tech :P
[19:05] <mapps> but besides that all good
[19:06] <mapps> im getting paid a good wage for being there 8% rise..rent allowance and 2 free flights to uk each year
[19:06] <mapps> if i come back to uk..same job but none of that
[19:06] <daftykins> 8D
[19:06] <daftykins> sounded like you said the place is a bit of a dive though?
[19:07] <mapps> hmm
[19:07] <mapps> not dive
[19:07] <mapps> dead
[19:07] <mapps> true
[19:07] <mapps> because people only go out fridays..so rest of the week it's very quiet..relaxed..like a retirement/ghost town
[19:07] <mapps> no bars/pubs open past 11pm place is EMPTY
[19:07] <mapps> but there's also virtually no crime..everyone woiuld know who it is hey..it's so small
[19:07] <mapps> and better weather]
[19:15] <daftykins> i quite fancy a curry tonight, but there's a heavy downpour right now
[19:15] <daftykins> i wouldn't even fancy walking the 60m to my local ;)
[19:15] <mapps> no home del?
[19:16] <daftykins> well i genuinely am 60m from their door, so i wouldn't try to be so cheeky
[19:16] <daftykins> i also take the carrier bag back in from the last time, to recycle :>
[19:21] <mapps> ;]
[19:23] <daftykins> new stuff look inside it and see nothing, look puzzled for a moment, then realise what i'm going on about :>
[19:26] <brobostigon> any ideas why, messages from a contact in bitlbee, would show in the control channel, insted of in a seperate window for said contact?
[19:27] <popey> a bug?
[19:28] <brobostigon> messages from all my other contacts show in seperate windows as they are meant to, except for from one specific contact.
[21:51] <popey> http://imgur.com/z5jwkis :)
[21:55] <daftykins> \o/
[22:15] <mjayk> o/
[22:15] <daftykins> hi
[22:16] <mjayk> hayhay


[05:49] <BHSPitMonkey> anybody up
[05:50] <Madpilot> approximately
[05:51] <BHSPitMonkey> are there (high-quality) ubuntu cd label graphics out there?
[05:51] <BHSPitMonkey> at least somewhat "official"
[05:56] <Madpilot> there should be - check the artwork pages on the wiki
[06:00] <BHSPitMonkey> hmm
[06:00] <BHSPitMonkey> there isn't really feisty stuff :(
[06:38] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia: ping
[06:39] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: pong
[06:39] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia: would you mind being part of my fan club when I go up for membership?
[06:39] <Burgundavia> heh
[06:39] <Burgundavia> sure
[06:40] <boredandblogging> cool, thanks
[06:40] <boredandblogging> beuno: ping
[06:41] <BHSPitMonkey> some ego that guy has
[06:41] <Burgundavia> BHSPitMonkey: why so?
[06:41] <BHSPitMonkey> invites people to join his own fan club... that's weak
[06:41] <Burgundavia> heh
[06:41] <beuno> boredandblogging: you've already got me on that boat  :p
[06:42] <boredandblogging> beuno: excellent
[06:42] <boredandblogging> BHSPitMonkey: lol, I need as much help as I can get!
[06:43] <BHSPitMonkey> tell my what I should join the boredandblogging fan club
[06:43] <BHSPitMonkey> s/what/why/
[06:43] <beuno> boredandblogging: considering the last 3-4 UWNs are I'd say at least 50% your work, I think you're pretty safe  :D
[06:44] <beuno> and of course, having Burgundavia back you up helps *a lot*
[06:44] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah, but it's me you need to worry about convincing.
[06:44] <BHSPitMonkey> I pull a -lot- of weight around here.
[06:45] <beuno> boredandblogging: BHSPitMonkey can lift very heavy things here in IRC   :p
[06:46] <BHSPitMonkey> quick... look for loose change...
[06:47] <boredandblogging> hah
[06:48] <boredandblogging> beuno: is there something we can do about the header fonts in the UWN on the forums?
[06:48] <boredandblogging> they are very large
[06:48] <beuno> boredandblogging: jenda has a script to edit that automatically
[06:48] <beuno> BHSPitMonkey: lol
[06:49] <beuno> as if anyone would leave loose change lying around *here*
[06:54] <boredandblogging> maybe the script changed, because the fonts have gotten bigger
[06:55] <beuno> Burgundavia: I changed the spec for Rosetta Stats *quite* a bit, but I like it better now. Feel free to undo if you feel it was better before
[06:55] <Burgundavia> beuno: linky?
[06:55] <beuno> Burgundavia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rosetta-stats-enhancement
[06:56] <Burgundavia> how I love diff
[06:57] <beuno> Burgundavia: I made it less UWN-specific (which I think makes ir easier to implement), and added a few additional fields like "Untranslated Strings"
[06:57] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:57] <Burgundavia> looks good
[06:58] <beuno> well, it's all yours now unless you need/want me to work more on it
[06:58] <Burgundavia> I leave Friday night, my time, for Sevilla
[06:58] <Burgundavia> travelling all of Saturday
[06:59] <beuno> good, I'm headed towards on open source conference (I'll be talking about Ubuntu) on Friday too, but I've got wifi at the hotel
[06:59] <beuno> should I add myself as a mentor too?  I'm not sure if I'm a "mentor" or a "drafter"
[07:00] <beuno> (thats https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-stats-enhancement btw)
[07:00] <Burgundavia> drafter
[07:00] <Burgundavia> rosetta is close source, so mentoring is useless
[07:00] <beuno> Joey Stanford is marked as the Drafter, should I switch myself for him or leave it?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> nah, is fine like that
[07:01] <beuno> I can't edit it anyway
[07:07] <beuno> I'm off to bed, night everyone
[07:16] <juliux> good morning
[07:17] <Burgundavia> morning juliux
[07:41] <juliux> jenda, ping
[07:57] <jenda> juliux: pong
[07:57] <juliux> jenda, i am sorry but the producer of the shirts told me today that they can't make black t-shirts at the moment
[07:58] <jenda> juliux: ok, switch the black ones I ordered for navy blue, then.
[07:58] <juliux> jenda, ok
[07:58] <juliux> jenda, thxs ;)
[07:58] <jenda> thx
[07:58] <jenda> :)
[07:58] <jenda> no biggie
[07:58] <jenda> I'll just have to hope the guys don't mind :-D
[07:59] <jenda> oh
[07:59] <jenda> hmm
[07:59] <jenda> juliux: I only have one shirt there
[07:59] <jenda> (one black shirt)
[07:59] <jenda> and the guy is also getting a blue one.
[07:59] <juliux> jenda, i our mal stands Tees:
[07:59] <juliux> 1 Blue L
[07:59] <juliux> 1 Black L
[08:01] <juliux> with the blue t-shirts is no problem we will make enough
[08:02] <jenda> oh, ok - so it's ok if I tell you we'll take a blue one instead of the black one later?
[08:03] <juliux> yes
[08:05] <juliux> pff they are still sleeping
[08:06] <jenda> hehe :)
[08:06] <jenda> I gotta run.
[08:07] <jenda> laters!
[08:07] <juliux> cu
[08:31] <Burgundavia> http://duggmirror.com/linux_unix/IMAGE_Dell_Makes_Ubuntu_Official/
[08:32] <BHSPitMonkey> ooooooold
[08:42] <poningru> did you notice the url?
[08:43] <poningru> hahahahah
[08:43] <poningru> they fixed it
[08:43] <poningru> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&
[08:43] <poningru> btw guys submitting an article for inquirer
[03:27] <juliux> hey willvdl
[03:27] <willvdl> hey there
[03:27] <willvdl> session starting :)
[03:28] <juliux> have fun
[03:28] <willvdl> david trask. v interesting
[05:46] <Mike_F> Does anyone have an idea how to introduce ubuntu to people with a limited computer background ?
[08:33] <beuno> jenda: super-ping
[10:09] <jenda> beuno: non-pong
[10:11] <beuno> jenda: I'm giving a talk (last minute thing) about Ubuntu on saturday in a university
[10:11] <jenda> cool
[10:11] <beuno> we also get a booth for Ubuntu, so I'd like to give out panflets with a small description about Ubuntu
[10:11] <jenda> Why do you need me for that? :)
[10:11] <beuno> is there any out there I can download and translate?
[10:12] <jenda> beuno: see Presentations on the wiki, gotta run
[10:13] <beuno> jenda: k, thanks, bye


[06:46] <GB1> When I install Ubuntu in IBM R30 it say " Disabled IRQ #15" and do nothing? How to do next?


[03:46] <hakimsheriff> Hello everyone
[03:47] <GreatOldOne> hi hakimsheriff
[09:12] <hggdh> jibel: the metacity bug is bug 797078
[09:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 797078 in metacity (Ubuntu) "metacity crashed with SIGABRT in raise() (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797078
[13:48] <brendand> jibel - can i use the tools in ubuntu-server-iso-testing to offer my machine as a slave for jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org?
[13:49] <brendand> i want to be jenkins slave
[17:18] <kamusin> is ubiquity broken in the daily oneiric iso right?
[17:23] <charlie-tca1> The images are broken, yes
[17:49] <kamusin> thank you charlie-tca1 ;)
[17:51] <charlie-tca1> yw
[17:51] <charlie-tca1> You are welcome
[21:21] <hakimsheriff> Hello everyone
[22:06] <mpoirier> all, will the natty installer automatically install a 64 bit kernel on a 64 bit machine ?


[15:47] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[16:17] <Unit193> Howdy, thafreak.
[16:23] <paultag> hi, Unit193, thafreak
[16:24] <Unit193> Heyhey, paultag, anything going on?
[16:25] <paultag> Unit193: nada, brotato
[16:25] <paultag> just working away
[16:25] <paultag> you?
[16:28] <Unit193> Nothing really, I'm part of the late night group. :P
[16:30] <paultag> :)
[16:31] <Unit193> About 0435 this time, need early :/
[16:38] <thafreak> Anyone in NEO looking for perl work? :)
[16:39] <yano> if i knew perl, yes
[16:39] <yano> heh
[19:32] <canthus13> Just looking for work. Unfortunately, I don't code. And I'm in NWO. although I'll happily relocate to NEO. :)


[00:09] <gtrepas> hello
[00:09] <bprompt> allo
[00:10] <gtrepas> whats up?
[00:10] <bprompt> a few clouds
[00:11] <gtrepas> :)
[00:11] <gtrepas> i am pleased to see that many people use kubntu
[00:13] <gtrepas> i am new to kubuntu  i like it\
[00:13] <gtrepas> a lot
[00:13] <bprompt> hehe
[00:13] <bprompt> I've used it from a good while myself =)
[00:14] <gtrepas> i tried mint kde but i didnt like it
[00:15] <bprompt> do you do much pdf reading?
[00:15] <gtrepas> yes
[00:15] <bprompt> I gather the only reader you have is Okular?
[00:16] <gtrepas> yes it is the best
[00:17] <bprompt> ahemm  try this -> http://pastie.org/8658698
[00:18] <bprompt> it uses QT which is already included in the KDE desktop, so should be a really small install :)
[00:19] <gtrepas> hmmmhope its not a virus heh :P
[00:19] <bprompt> you must be wondering... what's the difference?   hehhe, it uses the same engine as Okular BUT, it has tabs :)
[00:20] <gtrepas> and i am guesing not so many dependensies s okular
[00:20] <bprompt> so in my cases, that I do open many pdf's at once and flip over and over material, is extraordiinary :)
[00:21] <bprompt> no, the install is pretty small, pretty much just  the frontend really,because the engine for rendering is the same Okular uses, libpoppler
[00:21] <gtrepas> nice i wlll try t tomorrow,now my grlfriend is yelling at me :D
[00:22] <bprompt> hehe
[00:22] <gtrepas> see you tomorrow
[00:22] <gtrepas> good night
[00:22] <bprompt> well, its her job, so
[00:22] <bprompt> nite
[02:47] <wear> Hello, I have an issue, I installed firefox, but its broken, there is no buttons for setting homepage or clearing cache nothing
[02:48] <wear> just tabs
[02:48] <wear> and the place to close the window,minimize, ect
[02:48] <wear> so If I wanted to go up to, "file" save as or print, or change my preferences how?
[03:08] <wear> How do you enable the MENU BAR for Firefox? There is no option for it when right clicking a blank area in the tab menu. Im on KDE, kubuntu.
[03:24] <wear> ok allow me to rephrase none of my applications have menu bars
[03:29] <wear> okay well thanks for all the help
[03:29] <wear> heres the fix  wear https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=109594
[03:29] <wear> thanks wear
[05:02] <Jacky> that wear dude really needs to RTFM
[07:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:36] <ali_> var bi türkçebilen
[09:37] <lordievader> !tr | ali_
[09:37] <lordievader> I think...
[10:06] <baxeico> hi all, do you know if kde sc 4.12.1 will be released for Kubuntu 12.04 (through backports ppa)?
[10:08] <jarkko> baxeico: <yofel> it's planned yes, we're just a bit shorthanded so it'll take a few more days
[10:21] <antanas_> dir
[10:22] <antanas_> help
[10:22] <antanas_> ftp
[10:24] <baxeico> jarkko: thank you. will kde sc 4.12.* be default in the upcoming kubuntu 14.04?
[10:25] <yofel> baxeico: yes, likely even 4.13, but that's not quite decided yet
[10:33] <jarkko> baxeico: better ask #kubuntu-devel
[11:16] <kkkkkkkkk1> HI, all i am having a strange problem, i am using KDE and ubuntu 12.04 , when i rename a file and hit enter, desktop switch activity to search and launch, i also deleted search and launch activity, and logged out, having same problem again and again, i have KDE 4.8.5
[11:17] <kkkkkkkkk1> therwise renaming of files is working well, i mean, cliking on rename working, but if i hit enter after renaming, it switches activity
[11:17] <kkkkkkkkk1> how to solve that
[11:45] <tuxgenoa> good mornig, after the installation of kubuntu, at the first reboot appear the text:"ubuntu 13.10 satellite-c50d-a-12x tty1 login. Please, could you help me? Thanks in advanced
[12:16] <afterlight_> hellow. im having an issue am i in the right place for help ???
[12:17] <Riddell> afterlight_: yeah you can ask and see if anyone answers, other places are listed on kubuntu.org/support if you don't get an answer here
[12:17] <afterlight_> thank for the imediat ansuer
[12:20] <afterlight_> i have kubuntu 13.10 with nvidia 8600gt. in the additional drivers sase to me..: "this driver is activeted but not correctly in use" (the acivated drive is nvidia_319_update) ...
[12:20] <afterlight_> is this supose to be like this ????
[12:20] <afterlight_> or i shuld try some of the other options there ???
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:22] <afterlight_> btw! my kubuntu loging screen is not like the installation (blue with the kubuntu turning on and off) is justblavk with dots loading
[12:23] <afterlight_> hi blueskaj
[12:28] <BluesKaj> afterlight_, you need to drop to a shell, alt+ctl+F1 - F6 , login,  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , that should bring down the fixes for the login screen
[12:40] <BluesKaj> afterlight_,we can discuss your issue here, no need to pm, besides others can help too
[12:41] <afterlight_> BluesKaj. ok sorry
[12:42] <afterlight_>  i made the update-upgrate but nothing change 0 update 0 upgrade...anything eals ?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> afterlight_, is this a new install ?
[12:44] <afterlight_> you mean clear installation of kubuntu 13.10 ? if so: yes
[12:45] <afterlight_> but after instalation i made update and after updates the login screen changed
[12:50] <BluesKaj> afterlight_, when grub appears choose the kubuntu then press "e" which puts you into edit mode , then add nomodeset to the end of the line "quiet splash"
[12:50] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset | afterlight_
[12:59] <afterlight_> thank you for your help but im not so advance user to do those stuf that confused me eve when i read it
[12:59] <afterlight_> ps. sorry for my english
[13:01] <afterlight_> i think that wid be an easy way or a fixed bug that wuld be litle more easy. agen thank you very much
[13:02] <BluesKaj> afterlight_, well just do what i posted in my instruction above, it should work , just ignore the webpage then
[13:03] <afterlight_> ill try it now i hope i can log in agen :D
[13:03] <BluesKaj> did you choose autologin when you installed kubuntu ?
[13:04] <afterlight_> no
[13:04] <BluesKaj> good
[13:04] <afterlight_> i chose from the menu
[13:04] <afterlight_> kubuntu
[13:04] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:04] <afterlight_> kubuntu safe mode ..
[13:04] <afterlight_> etc
[13:04] <afterlight_> the grub menu
[13:04] <afterlight_> ..
[13:06] <afterlight_> to make it clear .. in the end of the line i put "nomodeset |" or " nomodeset " or " !nomodeset " ()sorry big noob :(
[13:09] <BluesKaj> just nomodeset, righy after 'quiet splash' , make sure the quotes are like: "quiet splash nomodeset"
[13:09] <afterlight_> thank you
[13:16] <afterlight> hello
[13:16] <afterlight> im here agen
[13:17] <afterlight> omg i put rong word... sorry ill trye it agen.. but !question
[13:19] <afterlight> after the "splash" it was something like $vh_h....... and later the initrd /boot/.......etc...
[13:19] <afterlight> the $vh_... do i keepe it or do i delete it ???
[13:20] <afterlight> and there was no quote " " do i add them ?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> aft don't delete anything just add the word
[13:28] <afterlight> hi agen
[13:28] <afterlight> nothing hapend :(
[13:34] <BluesKaj> afterlight, sorry , forgot to tell you to go back to the shell and do , sudo update-grub
[13:36] <afterlight> ok i mad it it ses done!!!! now i restart ?
[13:37] <afterlight> ok ill restart
 i restarted but nothing change :(
[13:40] <afterlight> maby is something rong with my nvidia drivers ??? maby i shuld try something eals from the driver options ???
[13:41] <BluesKaj> afterlight, which nvidia card ?
 8600gt
[13:43] <afterlight> the additional driver gives me other option but iff i remember right one of them it turn my screen black and didnt know what to do so i reinstall kubuntu (i afraid to try it  !!!!)
[13:43] <afterlight> do you want me to show you what are the other options???
[13:44] <afterlight> 4 .This package also includes the source for building the kernel modulerequired by the Xorg driver, and provides NVIDIA's implementation ofthe Video Decode and presentation API. The latter enables accelerationfor GeForce 8 and later series cards for h264 video.
[13:44] <afterlight> Release Notes and supported GPUs:http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-319.32-driver.html
[13:45] <BluesKaj> afterlight, in the shell , sudo apt-get install nvidia-319 , if it doesn't install then try nvidia-current
[13:46] <BluesKaj> afterlight, yes , I have a 8400gs
[13:46] <afterlight> iff it shows me black screen what i do ????
[13:47] <afterlight> i have to format agen and reinstall ???or there is any other solution ?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> if it doesn't install then run, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[13:48] <afterlight> but
[13:48] <BluesKaj> it's the default nvidia driver for new installs
[13:48] <afterlight> is activated the nvidia_319
[13:49] <afterlight> but sas to the additional drivers that is not curently in use
[13:49] <afterlight> how to send you an image ?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> ok then , the 319 isn't working, install the nouveau , then remove nomodeset from grub and update grub again
[13:50] <afterlight> first ill install the nvidianouveau than agen help me :D
[13:51] <BluesKaj> it's just called nouveau
[13:54] <afterlight> it sas to me thet is alrady the newest version....
[13:54] <afterlight> 0 update 0 ... 0.....
[13:54] <afterlight> ill try the first maby didnt install good
[13:57] <BluesKaj> afterlight,  then sudo apt-get remove nvidia-319
[13:57] <afterlight> i install the nvidia 3-19 without removing it
[13:58] <afterlight> now ill restart my pc to see what will hapend
[13:58] <afterlight> !!!!
[13:58] <afterlight> ?
[13:58] <afterlight> or i remove it first and than re installit ???
[13:58] <afterlight> tell me your opinion
[14:03] <BluesKaj> also remove nomodeset from grub , then sudo update-grub
[14:04] <Guest22960> hola
 nothing changed ill remove nvidia 319 and ill sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau agen
[14:06] <BluesKaj> also remove nomodeset from grub
[14:06] <BluesKaj> afterlight, ^
[14:06] <afterlight> how i remove ?
[14:06] <afterlight> tho nomodset ?
[14:06] <BluesKaj> same as you added it
[14:06] <afterlight> ok
[14:07] <BluesKaj> then run sudo update-grub immediately
[14:17] <afterlight> BluesKaj it warked... :)
[14:17] <afterlight> thank you very very much
[14:17] <afterlight> very muvh
[14:17] <afterlight> much
[14:17] <afterlight> but as i see
[14:18] <afterlight> no driver is activated maby the nvidia drivers are not so good !!!!!
[14:19] <afterlight> i download the nvidia from the nvidia site and is a .run file    do i try to install it or ill just make it wors ???
[14:19] <afterlight> or live it without driver ?
[14:20] <soee> someone here using laptop connected with TV through hdmi and have suound on TV ?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> afterlight, the noaveau driver is active , justr doesn't show in the nvidia additional drivers
[14:21] <afterlight> ok
[14:21] <BluesKaj> afterlight, wait for the next update/upgrade , make sure you have all your sources enabled i
[14:22] <afterlight> what to do with the drivers i download ??? do i delete them ?
[14:22] <afterlight> this one
[14:22] <afterlight> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.38
[14:22] <BluesKaj> soee, not at the moment , but I did a couple of days ago , and it worked ok
[14:23] <soee> BluesKaj: ok now i see that if i disconnect hdmi i dont have sound in system :)
[14:23] <BluesKaj> afterlight, you can try it, but the 331 is available in the kubuntu packages in muon afaik
[14:24] <soee> ah it sback, had to switch one option
[14:24] <BluesKaj> afterlight, not advisable to use the linux drivers from nvidia's website, some work , some don't
[14:25] <afterlight> dose the nouveau is less good than 331 ???
[14:26] <BluesKaj> afterlight, nouveau works almost as well and is more stable
[14:28] <afterlight> ok i will stick with nouveau :D
[14:28] <afterlight> blueskaj, i have an other think that bothers me a bit
[14:29] <BluesKaj> afterlight, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, to make sure you have all the correct sources enabled
[14:30] <afterlight> blueskaj how i do that ?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> alt+f2,. kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources list
[14:31] <vitor_> boa tarde
[14:32] <vitor_> algum BR pode me ajudar
[14:33] <BluesKaj> afterlight, kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:33] <afterlight> y
[14:33] <afterlight> i didd it
[14:33] <afterlight> :D
[14:33] <afterlight> but
[14:33] <FloodBotK1> afterlight: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:34] <vitor_> alguem me ajuda plis
[14:34] <BluesKaj> !pt | vitor_
[14:35] <vitor_> obrigado
[14:37] <afterlight> floodbotk1, sorry
[14:37] <BluesKaj> afterlight, rightclick in the text , select all ,copy then paste here, http://pastebin.kde.org/
[14:37] <afterlight> ok
[14:39] <BluesKaj> afterlight, then copy that URL and paste it here
[14:40] <afterlight> i think i made it http://pastebin.kde.org/pvs9ssgls
[14:41] <afterlight> blueskaj tell me iff i made it right.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> yes, afterlight , ok uncomment the saucy partners deb, take out the # at the beginning of those lines, save the file
[14:44] <BluesKaj> then update and upgrade
[14:47] <afterlight> do i update-upgrate from the shell ??
[14:47] <stenik> ciaoooooooooooo
[14:48] <afterlight> stenik, ciao come va.
[14:48] <stenik> tutto ok.. da voi che si dice??
[14:48] <afterlight> nulla
[14:48] <BluesKaj> afterlight, no just use the terminal
[14:48] <afterlight> blueskaj ok
[14:49] <stenik> stai usando il terminale??
[14:49] <afterlight> non tropo
[14:49] <afterlight> mi sto imparando
[14:49] <stenik> il e il terminale non andiamo troppo d'accordo ahah
[14:50] <stenik> non fa quello che dico io!! e non capisco perché.. però vabbè.. piano piano
[14:50] <stenik> ma a qui si possono entrare in altre stanze'
[14:50] <tsimpson> !it
[14:50] <stenik> sorry
[14:50] <BluesKaj> afterlight, the shell is a virtual termina , and runs without X and the desktop , the terminal accomplishes the same tasks on the desktop, that's the only real difference
[14:52] <afterlight> blueskaji made the update-upgrade nothing change.
[14:52] <BluesKaj> afterlight, try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:52] <afterlight> blueskaj i wana to thank you very much you helped me in many ways and i learn some new stuf thank you agen
[14:53] <BluesKaj> afterlight, glad to help :)
[14:53] <afterlight> blueskaj still nothing new
[14:54] <BluesKaj> ok , then your up to date afterlight , recommend you run those commands at least once per week
[14:55] <BluesKaj> you're
[14:55] <afterlight> blueskaj do joy know what to do with the pump up available devices that comes up everytime i log in ??? and sase o me "0 B  removable media"
[14:57] <afterlight> blueskaj,thank you for your advices
[14:58] <BluesKaj> afterlight, sytem settings> applications...notifications>other notifications
[15:02] <afterlight> blueskaj yes, but i have a 0b  removable media why i have that ??
[15:02] <afterlight> blueskaj i try to open kpartition but dosent start :(
[15:05] <BluesKaj> partition editor in kmenu>apps>system ?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> afterlight,^
[15:06] <afterlight> yes dosent open ive from alt+f2
[15:06] <afterlight> blueskaj^
[15:07] <afterlight> blueskaj something is rong with my system :( stuff thet to other ps works to mine dosent :( what can i do to fix this thing :( ?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> afterlight, do you feel adventurous, if so then add these backports to yousources.list , the instructions are quite clear
[15:08] <BluesKaj> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/?field.series_filter=precise
[15:09] <BluesKaj> afterlight, try the kmenu
[15:13] <rberg> Hi folks, does anybody know of a solution to "Mail filter agent" being stuck at 0% in kmail? I have 1 filter called 'unknown' that keeps reappearing if I delete it
[15:15] <KC_> Hello all...I am trying to set up my Canon Pixma MG3222 wireless printer..and do not know where to even start...
[15:16] <rberg> kmail still sends and receives mail fine, but I find the stuck progress bar to be annoying, also this is on kubuntu 13.10 kde 4.12.0
[15:17] <rberg> KC_: did you try Printers in system settings?
[15:17] <afterlight> blueskaj, sorry, it opend but to late neverminde...the partitions i have nothing is "0 B"what ma be rong ?? did you had the same problem ????
[15:19] <BluesKaj> afterlight, look in system settings>removabledevices
[15:26] <afterlight> blueskaj, the automunt was unchek-ed i check it and re unckeck, ill restart now to see how it was
[15:34] <KC_> do not know what to choose in add a printer in printer-system settings
[15:40] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:40] <afterlight> blueskaj, nothing make it go away ... neverminde is ok now im happy very happy thanks to you...
[15:41] <BluesKaj> afterlight, turn off the notifications if it bothers you :)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> hey lordievader
[15:54] <afterlight> blueskaj nothing works .. iven when i disable .. is ok..kubuntu is a free operating system very powerfull and keep groing maby will fix some time ... again dont know how to thank you for your time and effords.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ok afterlight, enjoy kubuntu
[16:02] <BluesKaj> ok ,stuff to do for 30mins or so, BBL
[16:34] <gtrepas> hello
[16:38] <gtrepas> i have a wuestion bout kubuntu and mint
[16:38] <gtrepas> question
[16:43] <dougl> k
[16:43] <dougl> gtrepas,
[16:44] <gtrepas> dougl i was just wondering, is mint faster than kubuntu? i am just curious i dont like mint kde that much
[16:45] <dougl> prolly
[16:45] <gtrepas> i am sorry my english sucks a bit.  dont understand prolly
[16:46] <dougl> probably but not really noticable
[16:46] <gtrepas> ok
[16:46] <gtrepas> i am new to kde
[16:46] <dougl> stick with kubuntu as the support is overwhelming
[16:47] <dougl> mint does not have as big a following
[16:47] <gtrepas> yeah i noticed that. opensuse is nice too but no internet connection
[16:48] <dougl> easily remedied in open suse probably buy why fight it they are all the same - the users make the distros... ubuntu/kubuntu has a real good group of users
[16:49] <gtrepas> exactly. i can do the same work with kubuntu, plus it is very nicely polished. i am amazed by that
[16:50] <dougl> gtrepas, you should see it ... default is nice but tricked out with the eye candy is awesome
[16:51] <gtrepas> i will try them all out. i just installed it today
[16:54] <dougl> gtrepas, lots of installing... but you know I recomend kubuntu right - did not want to get lost in translation?
[16:54] <gtrepas> i tried mint kde,cinnamon, opensuse,fedora, lubuntu,xubuntu in the last few days but nothing as good as kubuntu
[16:55] <dougl> gtrepas, you want to see some videos of my machines... we can private chat and I will give you the youtube links
[16:55] <dougl> ?
[16:55] <gtrepas> ok
[17:08] <dougl> gtrepas, sorry closed the window
[18:01] <dougl> BluesKaj, idle chit chat?
[18:02] <BluesKaj> dougl, yeah, in offtopic :)
[18:20] <keithzg> Hmphh, trying to import my kdewallet from a previous install, and absolutely nothing happens. I go file -> Import Wallet, select it, and . . . nothing. No error, no added wallet, no change to the one I have open.
[18:21] <BluesKaj> keithzg, kdewallet is a pita , but i'm the only user on the linux machines here
[18:22] <keithzg> BluesKaj: kdewallet has always worked just fine for me, and I've re-imported *before*...
[18:22] <keithzg> I've only had two problems with kdewallet, a problem with it autostarting before, and now this.
[18:22] <foxnsox> hi, having problems installing on my dell precision M6800 - boots of CD, runs to a certain point, then freezes. I've tried fidding around with various BIOS settings and startup setting. Is there any known issues with this?
[18:23] <foxnsox> freezes before it loads the install screen - last thing it says is 'Stopping System V runlevel compatibilitym Starting, Starting, Stopping'
[18:24] <juki> have you toggled any of the f6 options from the boot screen foxnsox?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> foxnox relatively new pc , under 3yrs old >?
[18:26] <keithzg> Well hello there, apparently KDE Wallet Manager sees and list any .kwl file one puts in ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet! I thought the glory days of programs being that easy and accomodating had passed.
[18:28] <foxnsox> juki - yeah, tried them all
[18:28] <foxnsox> BlueKaj - yeah, brand new :) Apparently supported by ubuntu - it installed ok, but didn't pickup the network card
[18:29] <juki> ??
[18:36] <BluesKaj> foxnsox, what media are you using to install the OS?
[18:36] <BluesKaj> cd?
[18:38] <BluesKaj> foxnsox, ok , you need to disable secure boot, do you intend to keep windows on the laptop?
[18:44] <foxnsox> BluesKaj - already disabled. Preferably, have it in a seperate partition, but not too bothered
[18:49] <BluesKaj> foxnsox, depending on your EFI/bios version you might be able to use EFI mode (default on most new machines) for kubuntu installation , if not then legacy mode should work
[19:03] <gtrepas> hello
[19:03] <lordievader> Hey gtrepas
[19:04] <gtrepas> hey lord
[19:04] <gtrepas> i am amazed how popular kubuntu compared to other more well known distros like mint kde
[19:06] <lordievader> gtrepas: Kubuntu is a relatively old KDE distro.
[19:06] <genii> Yes, 2005-ish
[19:06] <gtrepas> i am new to linux espacially kde. i just intalled it today
[19:07] <lordievader> gtrepas: Welcome to the family of KDE/Kubuntu users :)
[19:07] <gtrepas> thank you
[19:08] <gtrepas> i used to run mint mate but  got bored of it. i like kde though
[19:24] <fabio123> i would like to join the #kubuntu-it channel, please help me
[19:25] <lordievader> fabio123: "/join #kubuntu-it" should take you there.
[19:26] <fabio123> lordievader, it's invitation only
[19:26] <fabio123> " Cannot join #kubuntu-it (Channel is invite only)"
[19:27] <lordievader> fabio123: The alis service says #kubuntu-it doesn't exist (cannot find it), and Ubottu says the following.
[19:28] <lordievader> !it | fabio123
[19:28] <lordievader> !alis
[19:28] <gtrepas> hmmm mint is more polished than kubuntu?
[19:29] <gtrepas> and more lightweight?
[19:29] <fabio123> i'm quite happy with my kde now but there is alittle issue...
[19:30] <fabio123> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing
[19:30] <fabio123> no way i can't get rid of this unless i disable screen effects
[19:30] <fabio123> i definitely can say there is tearing in vlc
[19:31] <lordievader> fabio123: What graphics card and driver do you use?
[19:31] <fabio123> lordievader, intel hd graphics
[19:31] <fabio123> everything else is fine and the tearing is slight
[19:32] <fabio123> the same happen with mplayer etc...
[19:32] <lordievader> fabio123: Could you pastebin the output of "lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA"?
[19:33] <lordievader> !paste| fabio123
[19:33] <gtrepas> i have another issue, when i click a folder, he anmated waiting is freezng and if i move the mouse the pixels become white
[19:33] <gtrepas> it leaves a ale
[19:33] <gtrepas> tale
[19:33] <fabio123> lordievader, not right now but i will do in a moment... thank you
[19:37] <fabio123> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6804605/
[19:37] <fabio123> lordievader, i'm using w8.1 right now
[19:37] <fabio123> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_Graphics
[19:37] <lordievader> fabio123: Hmm, the correct driver is loaded.
[19:38] <fabio123> "The intel-driver uses Triple Buffering for vertical synchronization, this allows for full performance and avoids tearing"
[19:38] <lordievader> fabio123: I suppose the "Tear-free video" fix might work.
[19:39] <fabio123> iu could also get the latest driver from xorg-edgers
[19:40] <lordievader> Personally I don't like xorg-edgers.
[19:42] <fabio123> this is the latest driver 2.99.907+git20140117.f23ab963-0ubuntu0sarvatt
[19:43] <lordievader> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:43] <fabio123> but i got here 2.99.904
[19:43] <lordievader> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel trusty
[19:43] <fabio123> so xorg-edgers is slighlty ahead
[19:43] <fabio123> and it's risky
[19:44] <lordievader> fabio123: Trusty also has .907 but the same argument applies there. It is not recommended.
[19:44] <fabio123> ok i will try the tearfree fix ans see what happens ... see later
[20:09] <fabio123> i had a tearing issue when playing videos
[20:09] <fabio123> but the tear-free fix worked for me
[20:10] <lordievader> fabio123: \o/
[20:10] <fabio123> not sure what sna accelerations stands for but it it's the cause
[20:10] <fabio123> Option      "TearFree"    "true"
[20:11] <fabio123> i ahd to create this file /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[20:11] <lordievader> You'd think that is true per default...
[20:11] <fabio123> but it's not the case
[20:12] <fabio123> con le schede grafiche intel la nuova accelerazione sna può causare un problema di tearting con i video
[20:13] <fabio123> nn so xché quando usavo io ubuntu c'era solo uxa
[20:13] <fabio123> allora basta creare un file di configurazione
[20:13] <fabio123> /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
[20:13] <fabio123> e piazzare dentro una sezione con l'opzione Option      "TearFree" "true"
[20:13] <fabio123> e altre robe il problema scompare
[20:14] <fabio123> dovrebbe essere scritto il quel wiki
[20:14] <lordievader> !en | fabio123
[20:14] <fabio123> sorry man
[20:15] <lordievader> !paste | fabio123
[20:15] <lordievader> Might also be useful in the future ;)
[21:33] <gtrepas> hello again
[21:35] <gtrepas> i have a question for you guys
[21:39] <gtrepas> when i click on a folder something jumps up and down right? if i move the mouse it leaves a trail behind it. it is so annoying
[22:15] <Walex> it it is cursors animation
[22:15] <Walex> you can disable it
[22:59] <dougl> h
[23:23] <Guest59002> !list


[00:05] <Sarvatt> dtchen: got a patch for nvidia on 31 too that works for me -- http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=37305&d=1245688007
[00:21] <nick_schembri> cjwatson: thank you for looking that up. Will keep testing until it fails. . :)
[02:28] <dtchen> Sarvatt: site seems very sluggish ATM
[08:42] <kdub> do we even care about bugs filed for dapper?
[08:43] <hyperair> not if they don't apply anymore
[08:44] <kdub> oh, so check to see if they still apply
[08:44] <hyperair> mmhmm
[08:44] <hyperair> basically check if it exists on karmic
[08:45] <smb> kdub, Only if they are critical
[08:45] <smb> But if the bug still persists in karmic we try to get it fixed in upstream and karmic
[08:47] <hyperair> i thought dapper's support period ended?
[08:50] <smb> hyperair, No, dapper is LTS, so it is still in support. But the acceptable changes are somewhat limited. But it still gets security updates
[08:51] <smb> Actually support for Desktop ends this month... :)
[08:51] <dme> account on
[08:52] <smb> hyperair, Server goes till 2011
[08:52] <kdub> a fair amount of bugs say "this one piec of hardware doesnt work". is there any way to look into that w/o that hardware?
[08:53] <hyperair> smb: i see. that sure is long indeed. O_o
[08:53] <dme> ng
[08:54] <smb> kdub, That is the harder part. Mostly the approach is to let them try latest kernel versions (mainline builds) to see whether it does then
[08:55] <smb> kdub, If it does, find the part/driver which supports it and see what changed there
[08:57] <smb> If not, could it be a missing id or something simple. Otherwise it might need an upstream bugzilla. And all depends on how much information it is possible to get from the reporter
[08:58] <smb> hyperair, It is. Squeezing (backporting) some of the security updates gets harder by time...
[09:08] <hyperair> smb: i can imagine.
[12:51] <apw> there are a bunch of deprecated interfaces in ndiswrapper whihch just got dropped finally so its a bit hosed
[12:51] <apw> (at least the version we have)
[16:49] <mdz> apw: since we aren't using lrm anymore, can it be removed from karmic?  it seems to still be in the archive
[16:50] <rtg> mdz: was it automatically copied when the archive was opened?
[16:50]  * apw is beaten to it
[16:50] <rtg> mdz: regardless, it can be removed.
[16:55] <mdz> rtg: when we start working on a new release, it starts off containing all the same things that the previous release had
[16:56] <mdz> once a package is in the archive, it stays there unless someone removes it
[16:56] <mdz> rtg: instructions for how to request that it be removed are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing%20Packages
 rtg whats the status of karmic linux-meta, i think i heard you changing it?
[16:57] <rtg> apw: no, I was working on the meta package backport to Hardy
[16:57] <rtg> Karmic meta should be OK
[16:57] <apw> ahh nice ... then i am clear to update karmic meta etc.
[16:57] <rtg> AFAIK
[16:58] <infinity> rtg: Don't bother filing a bug, I'm removing it right now.
[16:58] <apw> i think my rebase is good, compiles for me on i386, amd64, lpia and armel
[16:58] <rtg> infinity: thanks
[16:58] <apw> so i'll push the git repo on that pretty much now, and perhaps you could give it the once over visually
[16:58] <infinity> rtg: Done.
[16:59] <mdz> RIP
[16:59] <infinity> Indeed.
[16:59] <rtg> long live LRM !
[16:59] <infinity> The number of hours of blood, sweat, and more blood that I put into LRM will not be soon forgotten. :P
[17:00] <infinity> On the other hand, good riddance to binutils-static.
[17:00] <mdz> hmm, does this mean that the Ubuntu CD is now 100% free software again?
[17:00] <rtg> infinity: and run-time linking
[17:00] <rtg> mdz: we still seed binary blobs in DKMS packages
[17:00] <rtg> nVidia, etc
[17:01] <mdz> rtg: what are the names of the binary packages?
[17:01] <infinity> nvidia-180-kernel-source, for instance, but that's not on the CD.
[17:02] <infinity> Pretty sure we've kicked restricted off the CD, no?
[17:02] <rtg> infinity: its not? oh.
[17:02] <rtg> mdz: ok, maybe I'm all wet.
[17:03] <infinity> I see no nvidia junk seeded anymore.
[17:03] <apw> so we now see the free drivers as good enough for testing and the installer at least
[17:04] <infinity> Or I'm blind, which is possible while distracted with meetings. :)
[17:04] <mdz> there are some on the DVD still
[17:04] <infinity> apw: nouveau and radeon are much-improved lately.  I still run nvidia, but I'm a 3D game junkie.
[17:05] <apw> yeah, not that nouveau is likely to be in the kernel
[17:05] <rtg> apw: you pushed Karmic yet? I'm getting close to blasting off
[17:05] <apw> its pushing as we speak, uplink is not as hot as it could be
[17:06] <rtg> apw: nor is mine. damned asymmetric links
[17:06] <apw> yeah, and here my down is a bit pants today too, seems there was a lot of noise when the adsl sync'd and theres no button to resync it without rebooting my router
[17:47] <cwillu_clone> mainline site doesn't seem to have any recent x86 builds
[17:47] <cwillu_clone> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2009-06-19/, the 31-rc1, etc
[17:47] <cwillu_clone> Sarvatt, which kernel did you want me to download from your site again?
[23:49] <TheMuso> apw: I do not expect you to update ports configs, thats why it was all separated in the first place.


[14:13] <Pici> #ubuntu-br could use op attention in the future.  ubuntu/member/* has op priveleges there, but they had to ask in #freenode for someone to take care of a spammer. I happened to notice, so it's resolved for now.
[15:07] <nhandler> Pici: Did you remind them that they can join #ubuntu-irc for help?
[15:07] <Pici> nhandler: I mentioned it.


[01:43] <nhandler> There should be a UDS post sometime in the next few days (hopefully)
[02:15] <akgraner> I'll add the announcement to this weeks newsletter :-)
[02:15] <akgraner> then next week we can add more in-depth posts
[02:17] <akgraner> nhandler, will you go to this UDS since it's in the US?
[02:57] <pleia2> can I get an editor review this for me before I post it? http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2091
[05:45] <pleia2> I'll go ahead and post it, it's not a complicated one and I think it's fine :)
[12:40] <nhandler> akgraner: No clue yet. Still too early.


[05:31] <[1] Robb> mornin
[05:36] <LaserJock> hi
[06:42] <iGotNoTime> Good day :)
[06:42] <iGotNoTime> Does anyone here use SATA drives?
[07:32] <iGotNoTime> I am having issues on my laptop
[07:32] <iGotNoTime> it is not kicking my fan on, and it is getting VERY hot
[07:35] <iGotNoTime> nevermind getting too hot to talk now :P Be back soon enough :)
[07:36] <Yagisan> iGotNoTime: what about SATA ?
[07:36] <Yagisan> too slow
[07:50] <[1] Robb> out of curiosity does anyone know of a way to make edubuntu "live"?
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> hey everyone :)
[08:47] <KaoticEvil> anyone installed edubuntu on their kid's computers?
[11:05] <Burgundavia> KaoticEvil: yes, I know of at least one person that has
[12:02] <Pygi> spacey: ping?
[12:02] <spacey> pong
[12:02] <spacey> Pygi: :)
[12:02] <Pygi> spacey: perhaps we should make people "sign up" for the meeting?
[12:03] <spacey> mwah
[12:03] <spacey> we shoudl just ping some people who might be interested
[12:03] <spacey> its not needed to get a really big group
[12:04] <spacey> because then it will become slow
[12:04] <Pygi> just a few people who are willing to work, yes, I know
[12:04] <spacey> janew will be there
[12:04] <spacey> i hope ogra as well
[12:04] <spacey> me :P
[12:05] <Pygi> o joy, that's three people ;)
[12:05] <spacey> maybe my colleague
[12:05] <spacey> :P
[12:06] <Burgundavia> meeting?
[12:06] <Pygi> Burgundavia: yup, about the "How to cook Edubuntu"
[12:06] <Burgundavia> ah
[12:06] <spacey> Burgundavia: you can join in?
[12:06] <spacey> your a real doccie
[12:07] <spacey> uh
[12:07] <Pygi> do not insult the book Burgundavia ;)
[12:07] <spacey> the book?
[12:08] <Pygi> spacey: well, the "How to cook Edubuntu" thingy ^_^
[12:08] <spacey> ah
[12:08] <spacey> :>
[12:09] <Pygi> bah ;)
[12:10] <Burgundavia> spacey: it is 2am here. I am tired and somewhat drunk. :)
[12:10] <Burgundavia> I think I am going to sleep
[12:10] <Pygi> night burgundavia
[12:11] <Pygi> spacey: does ogra want to ship it as package or?
[12:11] <spacey> i think that was his intention
[12:12] <spacey> but not sure
[12:12] <spacey> i'll bring it up during the meeting
[12:12] <Pygi> hm, k, we'll see on the meeting
[12:12] <spacey> if so we should have to book finished evenearlier
[12:12] <spacey> :P
[12:12] <Pygi> yes, like 1 month before dapper ;)
[12:12] <Pygi> and it would really be a joy if only me and you will be writing ;)
[12:17] <spacey> yeah
[12:17] <spacey> joy as in long nights :)
[12:21] <spacey> hmm
[12:21] <spacey> long nights can be interperated in different ways :P
[12:21] <spacey> anyway the crappy one :P
[02:44] <drbreen> hallo
[03:01] <highvoltage> hi
[03:16] <Pygi> spacey, around?
[03:16] <spacey> yes'
[03:17] <spacey> whats up Pygi
[03:19] <Pygi> I'm interested if perhaps we could postpone the meeting ...
[03:19] <Pygi> for let's say 16:00 UTC?
[03:20] <spacey> Pygi: its fine with me
[03:20] <spacey> but
[03:20] <spacey> check janew about that
[03:20] <Pygi> bah, she's never here :-/
[03:20] <spacey> mail :)
[03:20] <spacey> and its weekend
[03:20] <spacey> give her a break :P
[03:20] <Pygi> JaneW:  ping ^_^
[03:21] <spacey> its sunday :P
[03:21] <Pygi> bah, yes I know ^_^
[03:21] <spacey> not everyone is crazy enough to work in the weekend (like us ;))
[03:21] <Pygi> lol ^_^
[03:22] <ogra> ;)
[03:22] <Pygi> o  ogra, hello ;)
[03:22] <ogra> hey
[03:22] <Pygi> now to bug you about the book thingy ;)
[03:22] <Pygi> do you want to ship the "How to cook Edubuntu" as a package?
[03:22] <spacey> ogra: you will attend the edubuntu cookbook meeting?
[03:22] <ogra> yes to both
[03:22] <Pygi> spacey: s/edubuntu cookbook/how to cook edubuntu
[03:22] <Pygi> ogra: k, just to know...we need to finish book earlier then
[03:22] <ogra> not sure about a separate package, but it should be in edubuntu-docs
[03:23] <spacey> Pygi: we'll see where it ends up
[03:23] <ogra> (either as a depending package or included)
[03:23] <spacey> Pygi: we can replace the current one
[03:23] <spacey> later on
[03:23] <highvoltage> hi everyone, when is the edubuntu cookbook meeting?
[03:23] <spacey> highvoltage: thursday
[03:23] <Pygi> highvoltage: currently, thursday, 12:00 UTC
[03:24] <Pygi> but that might change ;)
[03:24] <spacey> Pygi can only attend if we postpone it a bit
[03:24] <ogra> i'm fine with that ...
[03:24] <Pygi> ogra: does 16:00 UTC suit you?
[03:24] <ogra> best is mail the listi think
[03:24] <ogra> sure, suits me
[03:25] <ogra> s7is/is to/
[03:25] <Pygi> ogra: k, great, I'll talk to Jane ;)
[03:25] <spacey> janew should be there
[03:27] <spacey> highvoltage: will you attend?
[03:28] <Pygi> k, I just bothered Jane with a mail ^_^
[03:31] <Pygi> k, spacey, ogra, talk to you later ;)
[03:31] <ogra> ciao
[04:16] <drbreen> hello again
[04:19] <drbreen> i have a problem: one ltsp client (with d-link dfe-530tx rev-c1) starts with the fitting bootfloppy but it hangs and says
[04:19] <drbreen> "can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf"
[04:20] <drbreen> and "kernal panic not syncing:attempted to kill init"
[04:20] <drbreen> other clients (with different nw cards) get through
[04:40] <highvoltage> spacey: yes (sorry, been in and out)
[04:59] <spacey> highvoltage: at both times?
[05:07] <highvoltage> both times?
[05:38] <spacey> highvoltage: 12utc or 16utc
[05:39] <spacey> pygi suggested to have it at 16utc so he could attend
[06:23] <flint> ogra, ping
[06:24] <highvoltage> hi flint, how are you doing?
[06:26] <flint> highvoltage, Johnathan, I am very happy, I just tested this silly gin script on a real honest to god edubuntu terminal and it worked very well.  The gin script is something I "gin"ed up for elkners bilingual classes over at the Arlandria TWSC.
[06:27] <flint> highvoltage, jonathan, I am so exited i spelled your name wrong sorry! :^(
[06:28] <flint> highvoltage, I actually thought the silly thing would be easy, it turned into 433 lines of bash... https://wiki.edubuntu.org/gin
[06:28] <highvoltage> hehe! completely inderstandable
[06:29] <flint> highvoltage, jonathan, note that you can download the script from docbox.  docbox.flint.com is available as a bzr pull site eh?
[06:29] <highvoltage> wow, that's cool!
[06:30] <highvoltage> ok. i haven't used bzr to download stuff before though, but i'll give it a shot!
[06:32] <flint> highvoltage, jonathan, this is high praise, thank you!  The important thing is not that it is pretty, it is that it works.  now I gotta get that Grawert guy to look it over and tell me how to make it better...
[06:33] <highvoltage> yeah.
[06:33] <highvoltage> i remember one of the big criticisms for gnome from the skolelinux guys...
[06:34] <highvoltage> is that you can't switch languages as good as in KDE
[06:35] <highvoltage> ogra would probably take care of the pretty stuff by putting it into one of the edubuntu tools (not sure which would be the right one)
[06:39] <flint> highvoltage, keep in mind, this is merely a brassboard shell script, this needs to be prettyfied into python and given a gui.
[06:39] <highvoltage> flint: ok.
[06:41] <flint> highvoltage, eh the next project is going to be called rump...
[06:41] <flint> Rump Manual Page
[06:41] <flint> Realtime
[06:41] <flint> Unix
[06:41] <flint> Mounting
[06:41] <flint> Program
[06:42] <flint> I am annoyed that you cannot take mtab and magically convert it into fstab.  rump will do this sometime in the future...
[06:48] <flint> highvoltage, what do you think?
[06:48] <flint> highvoltage, my great nightmare is re-developing something that already exists...
[06:56] <highvoltage> flint: i think that the front-end won't be too difficult
[06:56] <highvoltage> flint: since it can tie in with existing control-panel-like software that ogra is working on
[06:57] <flint> highvoltage, that jonathan is why i really wanted to keep it simple, so that it would be included in a more sophisticated tool, say as a call if necessary... but as a working document basicall in the tradition of rainforestpuppy....
[07:00] <highvoltage> :)
[08:32] <flint> sksk


[03:09] <cody-somerville> nothlit, people seem to like your mouse :)
[19:04] <thorwil> nand: hi! just saw the mail. unbelievable
[19:04] <thorwil> nand: like dealing with drones in a company like ibm ;)
[19:29] <kwwii> thorwil: ?
[19:30] <thorwil> kwwii: a very late and not at all helpful reply from the trademark people
[19:30] <kwwii> thorwil: ouch :-(
[19:34] <thorwil> kwwii: btw and unrelated, if i get the trademark policy right, the ubuntu women logo would require permission, right?
[19:35] <_MMA_> Just do it and let them worry about it. Usually if it's a community effort there's no problems.
[19:37] <kwwii> thorwil: it would require permission if it has a modified ubuntu logo or uses the font for the whole text, yes
[19:38] <thorwil> ok, ty
[19:46] <_MMA_> kwwii: If it's community, I would forgo asking. There wouldn't be an issue.
[19:47] <nand> hey!
[19:48] <nand> she probably just copy pasted the same thing for the whole stack of email waiting for two months :s
[19:48] <nand> I just hope we won't have to wait two more months for the reply...
[19:49] <nand> these guidelines are even not clear :/
[19:52] <_MMA_> The stuff on paper more (but not entirely) applies to commercial use. What I've said has come strait from the person that makes decisions. Asking won't hurt, but as long as it's "proper" use, it won't be an issue to just go ahead.
[19:53] <nand> _MMA_: when we launched brainstorm in march, we got a last-minute troubles with trademarks concerning the logo, so that's why we are cautious this time
[19:53] <thorwil> nand: i actually intend to just do that circle of friends derived trio. started yesterday to make 3d templates
[19:54] <nand> cool!
[19:54] <_MMA_> nand: np. Not knowing what it used to look like vs. not I don't know what to say.
[19:55] <nand> _MMA_: finally it was left untouched
[19:55] <thorwil> _MMA_: kwwii came to the rescue. what you see now is the original design
[19:56] <_MMA_> I could see how that would be an issue. Though its silly. :(
[19:56] <thorwil> _MMA_: welcome in the club! ;)
[19:56] <nand> indeed :s
[19:58] <kwwii> yeah, for the community stuff I would just do it
[19:58] <kwwii> it is not like anyone is going to notice ;-)