[00:04] <BajK> ah it is already postet
[00:04] <BajK> in bugreport
[00:12] <DarthFrog> MaxDamage:  nv vs. Mesa is like bread and marmalade: two different things.
[00:13] <MaxDamage> It is?
[00:13] <MaxDamage> Still, the "nv" driver worked perfectly before.
[00:13] <DarthFrog> MaxDamage: If you're using the nv driver, you would also be using Mesa for software 3D.
[00:13] <MaxDamage> DarthFrog; Right...
[00:14] <MaxDamage> I don't have any hardware 3D, though.
[00:14] <DarthFrog> Or do you mean "vesa"?  Video Electronics Standards Association.
[00:14] <MaxDamage> vesa, maybe
[00:14] <MaxDamage> Yeah
[00:14] <DarthFrog> MaxDamage:  You have a Nvidia card without 3D?
[00:14] <MaxDamage> GeForce 8600 GTS
[00:15] <MaxDamage> No 3D is available in glxgears
[00:15] <MaxDamage> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[00:15] <MaxDamage> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[00:15] <DarthFrog> Well, it's not the card's fault! :-)
[00:15] <MaxDamage> I know it's not.
[00:15] <DarthFrog> That card certainly does have hardware 3D.
[00:15] <MaxDamage> I'm trying to manually install the nVidia drivers now, you messaged me 3 seconds before I was about to stop kdm
[00:16] <MaxDamage> Runs Modern Warfare 2 at 100 FPS average ;p
[00:16] <MaxDamage> So it definitely does.
[00:16] <DarthFrog> The nv drivers are 2D only.
[00:16] <MaxDamage> They are?
[00:16] <DarthFrog> The proprietary nvidia drivers are the ones you want.
[00:16] <MaxDamage> Okay, stopping kdm and installing it the manual way.
[00:17] <MaxDamage> I do need to run nvidia-xconfig after I install right?
[00:17] <DarthFrog> Shouldn't need to.
[00:17] <MaxDamage> Alright, then.
[00:17] <MaxDamage> Back in 5, hopefully.
[00:17] <MaxDamage> :)
[00:21] <Daskreech> analex: ugh sorry I keep getting called away
[00:21] <Daskreech> analex: Did you get the upgrade instructions?
[00:22] <analex> yup...
[00:22] <MaxDamage> Okay, that was a disaster.
[00:22] <analex> it seems as thought I have a version of Kubuntu that has been terminated...
[00:22] <analex> 7.04
[00:22] <analex> can't get any updates or anything...
[00:22] <MaxDamage> DarthFrog: It said something about a pre-install script failing, but I told it to continue anyway.
[00:22] <MaxDamage> Any idea what that is caused by?
[00:23] <Daskreech> analex: You can't. but you can upgrade
[00:23] <analex> how??
[00:23] <DarthFrog> MaxDamage: Not enough info, sorry.
[00:23] <analex> I'm not gettin' thoses instructions anywhere online..
[00:23] <Daskreech> analex: Very honestly it would be faster and 100X less headache to install a new version
[00:23] <MaxDamage> DarthFrog: I'll check the log file that Xorg left behind. ;p
[00:23] <DarthFrog> MaxDamage:  Is glxgears working?
[00:23] <Daskreech> analex: do you have your home dir different from your /
[00:24] <analex> that's why I'm even trying to get a usb-installer program, because I have no blank cds with me now, and I need to install it like now...
[00:24] <analex> yes I do....
[00:25] <Daskreech> analex: Ah ok and you need one on Kubuntu 7.04?
[00:25] <Daskreech> or do you have a windows machine nearby?
[00:25] <MaxDamage> DarthFrog: Graphics are in safe mode at the moment, so I doubt it. ;)
[00:25] <MaxDamage> Nope, doesn't work
[00:25] <analex> no I don't, the windows laptop is in use by my housemate in another room...
[00:26] <DarthFrog> MaxDamage: The Xorg.0.log file will tell you which driver Xorg is using.
[00:26] <Daskreech> they can't give you 10 minutes of time?
[00:26] <analex> lemmie check.... brb
[00:27] <MaxDamage> DarthFrog: Seems like I'm using vesa currently.
[00:29] <analex> got the windows laptop.... @Daskreech
[00:29] <Daskreech> analex: ok
[00:30] <wubih> i
[00:30] <Daskreech> analex: Do you have an iso for the new Kubuntu?
[00:30] <wubih> hi from turkey
[00:30] <analex> gettin' it as we speak..
[00:31] <Daskreech> analex: ok You'll need the live usb creator
[00:32] <analex> on which system?? windows or tis one???
[00:32] <Daskreech> analex: hold finding a windows one
[00:32] <analex> ok....
[00:33] <Daskreech> analex: https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/
[00:33] <Daskreech> Get that and then you can point it at the Ubuntu ISO
[00:33] <wubih> i am using mint 9.i have a problem with full-videos
[00:33] <Daskreech> analex: Do you have lots of data on your / partition?
[00:34] <analex> umm.... nope.. just installed the kubuntu today...
[00:34] <Daskreech> analex: Ok you should be ok then
[00:35] <wubih> türk kullanıcı var mı?
[00:35] <Daskreech> install the  Live USB creator on Windows
[00:35] <Daskreech> CLiick browse and point it at the Kubuntu ISO
[00:35] <Daskreech> the USB stick has to be formatted (or at least have 1GB free) and then click create USB
[00:36] <Daskreech> You can boot from it and install
[00:36] <analex> ohhh, so I should install it on the windows system??
[00:36] <Daskreech> analex: heading on the road should be back in an hour
[00:36] <Daskreech> analex: install what?
[00:37] <analex> the usb-creator
[00:37] <Daskreech> yes
[00:38] <analex> cool...
[00:39] <Daskreech> copy the .iso to windows
[00:39] <Daskreech> make sure you have space on the USB stick and click on brwse in the USBcreator program and choose the kubuntu ISO
[00:40] <Daskreech> click Create USB and let it do it's thing
[00:40] <Daskreech> ( you can give it back to your roomate at that point just get them to call y ou when it's done)
[00:40] <Daskreech> boot up this computer with the USB and install
[00:41] <Daskreech> analex: Have to catch somewhere I'm gone see you in about an hour
[00:41] <analex> ok, cool...
[00:42] <analex> hopefully by then, I'm running the newer version...
[00:44] <MaxDamage> DarthFrog: The pre-install script seems to deliberately fail in nVidia's installer.
[00:45] <MaxDamage> http://pastebin.com/kUiCPyQJ
[00:45] <MaxDamage> Back in a few.
[01:15] <CyberShadow> Why are Tcl/Tk apps changing their DPI depending on the resolution??
[01:15] <CyberShadow> At 1920x1200 the font is so huge it's unusable!
[01:32] <CyberShadow> hmm
[01:32] <CyberShadow> the "resolution" reported by xdpyinfo changes depending on the screen resolution
[01:45] <CyberShadow> I think it's a bug in VMware tools :/
[01:51] <Daskreech> Hello
[01:52] <Daskreech> hi all
[01:56] <elijah> I just got up and running with Kubuntu the other day, one thing I can
[01:56] <deathstroke> hey guys, what command to view what daemons run on my computer ?
[01:57] <elijah> can't figure out is why whenever I fresh boot or come out of sleep my NTFS partitions prompt me for a password? Any way to always have my partitions online without asking for a password?
[01:57] <elijah> KdeSudo is the name of the prompt asking for the password
[02:07] <cjae> why do I getasked for a password on a usb fat32 external hdd?
[02:07] <cjae> kde 4.5
[02:21] <illunatic> where are the colors saved to when i customize and save?
[02:29] <cjae> anyone know why I am asked for password for an external fat32 hdd, I am using kde 4.5, it is an esata connection
[02:34] <well_laid_lawn> mount needs root permission
[02:35] <frogonwheels> cjae: though pmount should handle that
[02:36] <illunatic> if i want to move my color scheme from one computer to another, what is the easiest way?
[02:36] <cjae> why does mount need permission?
[02:42] <leinad83> im not sure if system is showing the correct amount of empty space
[02:51] <Neurotrophin> Anyone know of up-to-date, working instructions on installing nvidia driver?
[02:55] <cjae> Neurotrophin: propritary
[02:55] <cjae> !jockey
[02:55] <cjae> no bots?
[02:56] <Neurotrophin> cjae: Yes, proprietary...  The ones so I can actually get usable 3D exceleration..
[02:56] <Neurotrophin> The documentation I found on the web didn't work..
[02:56] <Neurotrophin> for multiple reasons.. looks out of date..
[02:57] <Neurotrophin> kubuntu's documentation links don't appear to have any instructions.... reverts over to ubuntu anyway..  Ubuntu has a gui tool for it..
[02:58] <Neurotrophin> I've done this before so many times.. but.. it changes over time, I guess.. and I don't remember exactly, anyway..
[02:58] <Daskreech> elijah: you mounted your drive as root perhaps?
[03:01] <Neurotrophin> Ok... No documentation on installing nvidia drivers.. no way to search mailing list archives.. no one providing any help on IRC..
[03:01] <Neurotrophin> Anywhere else to turn?
[03:02] <Neurotrophin> If I install gnome, will that provide the Ubuntu method of installing nvidia drivers?
[03:02] <cjae> Neurotrophin: no need for gnome
[03:02] <cjae> what version of kubuntu
[03:02] <Neurotrophin> The latest..
[03:03] <CkhiKuzad> is it possible to install KDE in ubuntu 10.04 without the hundreds of ":D i have a K in my name but you might not want to see me while you run gnome but i'm here!" programs that are installed with installing kubuntu-desktop
[03:05] <Neurotrophin> CkhiKuzad: You can pick the parts you want.. kde base... and go from there...  Just don't install the meta package for everything.
[03:05] <cjae> Neurotrophin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QByStWMuIW4
[03:05] <cjae> Neurotrophin: that app is on the menu somewhere under "hardware drivers"
[03:06] <cjae> easy peasy
[03:06] <Neurotrophin> ok.. installing flash now so I can see that..
[03:06] <CkhiKuzad> Neurotrophin, so it's recommended if i do not want the hundreds of megabytes of programs i already have, to install kde-base?
[03:07] <Neurotrophin> it's not going to eliminate anything you already installed.
[03:07] <cjae> Neurotrophin: lol
[03:08] <CkhiKuzad> Neurotrophin, i havent installed anything yet.
[03:08] <CkhiKuzad> but installing kde-base will allow me to run the WM without the billion apps?
[03:08] <CkhiKuzad> well not WM, more like DE
[03:08] <Neurotrophin> CkhiKuzad: then you can just pick out the minimal kde packages you want.. to some level of granularity.. it isn't quite down to the specific application level for everything..
[03:09] <Neurotrophin> cjae: that video shows the gnome way.. I have never been able to find that app under kubuntu..
[03:09] <Daskreech> CkhiKuzad: You can. In KDE at least you can tell the menu to ignore all GNome programs (Or KDE programs) I suppose you can tell the menu in Gnome to do the same
[03:09] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[03:09] <CkhiKuzad> you can't Daskreech. i've tried and failed on the last 3 releases of ubuntu
[03:10] <cjae> Neurotrophin: but if your on the newest version I think it might be broken still, but you should be using nouveau which should do all your rendering needs unless you have more than one screen and that might be fixed now too
[03:10] <phoenix_> can the delay in drag and drop be improved
[03:10] <Neurotrophin> cjae: nouveau is severely substandard unless just for 2D
[03:10] <cjae>  Neurotrophin that app is on kubuntu too as I am looking at it right now
[03:10] <Neurotrophin> cjae: how do i get to it?
[03:11] <CkhiKuzad> Neurotrophin, this isnt exactly what i am asking. for example, the package Kfoo would be installed by default with Kubuntu-desktop, and Kbar would too. I dont want either of them, would installing kde-base allow me to not install Kfoo and Kbar?
[03:11] <cjae> Neurotrophin: what, it worked for compiz
[03:12] <Neurotrophin> CkhiKuzad: it's the base.. you can then add what specific other kde apps you want.. some of those packages have a number of things in them and other have only one app.. it all depends.
[03:12] <cjae> btw itss called jockey
[03:13] <Neurotrophin> cjae: it might work for compiz... it won't work (usably) for Glest, for example..
[03:13] <Daskreech> CkhiKuzad: Ow. You can't install an alternate menu that lets you do what you want?
[03:13] <CkhiKuzad> dont really trust alternate menus, Daskreech
[03:13] <CkhiKuzad> they usually suck.
[03:13] <Neurotrophin> cjae: nouveau driver gives very minimal 3D exceleration support
[03:13] <cjae> Neurotrophin: ahh
[03:14] <CkhiKuzad> Neurotrophin, what i have been asking this entire time is, and this is all i want to know. If i were to install kde-base, would the packages that come with kubuntu-desktop be installed? thats all i want to know.
[03:14] <Daskreech> CkhiKuzad: No
[03:14] <Neurotrophin> CkhiKuzad: no.. it installs the underlying kde-base...  that's all
[03:15] <Neurotrophin> cjae: ok.. there's a jockey-kde package.. not sure what the executable is... but it's already installed (somewhere)
[03:15] <CkhiKuzad> Neurotrophin, so no kopete, no Okular, none of those packages.
[03:16] <Neurotrophin> CkhiKuzad: no.. just the base... what it says it is... that's it
[03:16] <CkhiKuzad> alright. thank you
[03:16] <Neurotrophin> (last I checked.. I highly doubt that has changed)
[03:16] <CkhiKuzad> Your support is great when someone is asking an incredibly detailed question, but it does make people confused when they just want a yes or no answer for the question they asked.
[03:17] <CkhiKuzad> anyway, installing kde-base now. thanks for your help Neurotrophin, Daskreech,
[03:17] <Daskreech> ok
[03:17] <Daskreech> Not sure what he expects to get from that
[03:18] <Neurotrophin> cjae: jockey-kde ... I will never forget that, now..  It's downloading the kde driver.. I hope it works.
[03:19] <elijah> cjae: I am having the same issue with NTFS drives
[03:20] <elijah> Daskreech: How would I see if I mounted my drive as root?
[03:27] <OptiplexGX620> Hey, can I set up a USB digital microscope in Kubuntu?
[03:28] <leinad83> i think my kubuntu is reading me incorrect disk space info
[03:28] <leinad83> or is reading
[03:28] <leinad83> whatever
[03:33] <OptiplexGX620> Or do I have to use Windows??
[03:33] <owenw> yes
[03:33] <OptiplexGX620> Booooooo
[03:34] <leinad83> hahah
[03:35] <OptiplexGX620> Well Windows sux. C ya ltr
[03:37] <illunatic> anyone know offhand how to export my color scheme?
[03:41] <illunatic> i'm very disappoint
[03:42] <netto> Kubuntu speak via Twitter, with Gwuibber
[03:42] <netto> ops, i'm sorry, i say gwibber
[03:43] <illunatic> nobody knows where the colors widget saves it's schemes huh?
[03:43] <illunatic> not a square to spare?
[03:45] <Daskreech> illunatic: hMM ?
[03:45] <Daskreech> illunatic: tried in ~/.kde ?
[03:46] <illunatic> ah you rock
[03:46] <illunatic> i should have known
[03:46] <illunatic> .kde/share/apps/color-schemes
[03:47] <elijah> illunatic: I am new
[03:47] <illunatic> elijah: welcome ^_^
[03:48] <illunatic> how's it goin so far?
[03:48] <elijah> Pretty awesome!
[03:48] <illunatic> good deal
[03:48] <illunatic> what OS did you use before?
[03:48] <elijah> Except it always asks me for passwords for my NTFS volumes
[03:48] <DaskreecH> elijah: How do you mount your drives?
[03:49] <DaskreecH>  are they mounted at boot?
[03:49] <elijah> DaskreecH: Yeah, mounted at boot
[03:49] <illunatic> it asks for sudo pass?
[03:49] <elijah> illunatic: Yeah, "KdeSudo " asks
[03:49] <elijah> and it is the sudo pass
[03:49] <elijah> Everytime I come out of sleep it asks too
[03:52] <DaskreecH> I can kinda understand out of sleep
[03:53] <DaskreecH> I don't get at boot. is your drive in the fstab?
[03:53] <illunatic> yeah you can change that in preferences somewhere i believe
[03:53] <elijah> I have it set to not use a password on resume, for normal login
[03:53] <elijah> But  that is diff. right?
[03:53] <elijah> I don't know what Fstab is?
[03:53] <DaskreecH> !fstab
[03:55] <elijah> The partitions aren't listed in the fstab file
[03:56] <elijah> So, it says " If a device/partition is not listed in fstab ONLY ROOT may mount the device/partition."
[03:56] <DaskreecH> try stick them in there :)
[03:56] <DaskreecH> elijah: but it will be mounted automagically by root everytime the kernel gets woken
[03:56] <elijah> DaskreecH: Is there a way I can see what they are mounted as in dolphin?
[03:57] <elijah> I am just wondering if everyone has this problem
[03:57] <elijah> it would seem that they do
[03:57] <illunatic> afaik the directory should be /media/whatever
[03:57] <elijah> k, well this seems to be on the right track
[03:58] <elijah> oh, I thought it had to be dev/sda5 etc
[03:58] <illunatic> did you boot with the device connected?
[03:58] <DaskreecH> elijah: type mount in the terminal
[03:58] <DaskreecH> you can press F4 in Dolphin to get a terminal
[03:59] <elijah> Yeah, I only have one hdd in this laptop, two NTFS partitions from my XP and one ext4 for Kubuntu + a swap partition
[03:59] <DaskreecH> elijah: /media/disk and /dev/sda5 are two ways of saying the same thing
[03:59] <DaskreecH> One maps to the other
[04:00] <elijah> Weird, fstab only has the partition paths in comments
[04:00] <elijah> UUID=3457y7.......
[04:00] <DaskreecH> With the only exception being that there can only be one (at a time) /media/disk whereas /dev/sdb5 can be reused many times
[04:00] <illunatic> i love that you can mount other partitions. that is awesome.
[04:00] <elijah> Ok, this seems that it is going to take some learning
[04:00] <DaskreecH> elijah: yes Ubuntu uses UUID
[04:01] <DaskreecH> !uuid
[04:01] <elijah> Thanks for getting me on the right track
[04:01] <DaskreecH> You can read about it there
[04:01] <elijah> I will reattempt tomorrow
[04:01] <elijah> sleepy time in a few minutes
[04:01] <DaskreecH> elijah: I can give a quick explanation if you want
[04:01] <elijah> DaskreecH: Sure!
[04:01] <illunatic> i think you can just sudo mount /dev/sdb5
[04:01] <DaskreecH> the place /dev holds all your devices
[04:02] <illunatic> but there is something else you have to do to automount at boot
[04:02] <DaskreecH> the directory /dev (and /proc) isn't real
[04:02] <DaskreecH> It's made up when the computer starts and sees what devices are there
[04:02] <fqhuy> Hi, did anyone try kde 4.5.1 ?
[04:03] <DaskreecH> but anything that you can touch in the real world like a keyboard or monitor or drive exist there
[04:03] <fqhuy> last time I tried 4.5 ended up with reinstall kubuntu
[04:03] <fqhuy> hey, any idea about new KDE 4.5.1 on Kubuntu 10.04
[04:03] <DaskreecH> elijah: The only problem being that if your computer changes then what was /dev/sdb1 last week could be /dev/sdc1 next week
[04:04] <DaskreecH> However each device has a Unique ID (UUID) that can be used to pick it out regardless of where it is in /dev
[04:04] <elijah> k
[04:05] <DaskreecH> So if you computer isn't plugging drives on and off you can use /dev/sdb5
[04:05] <elijah> how do my lockes/passworded drives get mounted if they are not in fstab?
[04:05] <DaskreecH> if you want to make sure that that drive always goes to /where/you/want on boot then you can use the UUID
[04:06] <DaskreecH> elijah: Not sure I would guess they get mounted by Dolphin cause of your KDE session
[04:07] <elijah> DaskreecH: K
[04:07] <DaskreecH> Could be a few things. If you have something that you were working on that 's tied to that drive it would try and call it back when KDE starts since it remembers the last thing you were doing
[04:07] <elijah> fqhuy: I am running 4.5.1
[04:08] <elijah> DaskreecH: That would be logical
[04:08] <fqhuy> elijah: did you see the "blocked updates" in your package list
[04:09] <elijah> fqhuy: Didn't notice that, all updates worked for me
[04:09] <fqhuy> hmm
[04:09] <fqhuy> its strange
[04:10] <fqhuy> elijah: are you using backports update ?
[04:11] <elijah> fqhuy: I am just using Kubuntu 10.10 beta, it came with it, I am a noob
[04:11] <ultimate_noob> Hey all. Does anyone know how to manage color profiles (icc profiles in Windows) in KDE 4.5?
[04:12] <elijah> DaskreecH: Do you know where advanced user settings is?
[04:12] <elijah> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/applications/444061-how-get-dolphin-mounting-drives.html
[04:13] <DaskreecH> elijah: Hmmm ?
[04:13] <elijah> or auto mount settings?
[04:13] <DaskreecH> elijah: you can alt+F2 -> kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[04:14] <DaskreecH> At least I always find it faster to just copy the line and change it to my drive
[04:14] <elijah> I will try that
[04:15] <DaskreecH> elijah: in 4.5 there is no advanced anymore
[04:15] <DaskreecH> it's all one page
[04:16] <elijah> DaskreecH: Where is it?
[04:17] <elijah> I did "sudo blkid"
[04:17] <elijah> and I have paths and UUIDs now. IS it safe to use the UUID?
[04:17] <DaskreecH> elijah: where is?
[04:17] <DaskreecH> elijah: yes of course :)
[04:19] <elijah> hmm, ntfs or ntfs-3g are options
[04:19] <elijah> I didn't know ntfs-3g was a filesystem, actually
[04:21] <DaskreecH> it's .. umm a fake filesystem?
[04:22] <DaskreecH> Its just a driver for the filesystem
[04:23] <elijah> DaskreecH: Yeah, a slow one too!
[04:24] <DaskreecH> elijah: Can't be too careful :)
[04:24] <elijah> DaskreecH: So, won't it handle it the same either way if it is ntfs-3g vs ntfs? Isn't that how it r/w ntfs?
[04:24] <elijah> Or is there another driver besides ntfs-3g?
[04:24] <elijah> Btw, the paid driver from the same company on mac is uberfast
[04:24] <DaskreecH> no there is probably 4 of them
[04:24] <elijah> I wish I could buy it for Linux :)
[04:25] <DaskreecH> You want either ntfs or ntfs-3g
[04:25] <DaskreecH> if you want to treat it like a normal drive ntfs-3g is the way to go
[04:25] <elijah> k
[04:26] <DaskreecH> has more features without screwing up the drive
[04:28] <elijah> cool, I configured it
[04:28] <elijah> saved it
[04:29] <elijah> Thanks for your help
[04:29] <elijah> Gonna restart , test and go sleepy
[04:29] <elijah> Cheers
[04:43] <sea4ever> Hi, I'm not sure what happened but now I no longer get a login prompt at startup.
[04:44] <sea4ever> In fact I get nothing at all, after the verbose boot messages it switches to a better resolution (all black) with a blinking cursor and just hangs there.
[04:44] <sea4ever> Any way I could figure out what it's doing?
[04:53] <DaskreecH> sea4ever: looked in your xsession errors log?
[04:55] <sea4ever> It doesn't get as far as running X, DaskreecH
[04:55] <sea4ever> At the part where the services start, like (checking battery state...OK, starting nfs daemon...OK), that's where it stopped
[04:55] <DaskreecH> sea4ever: ah umm do you get a terminal?
[04:56] <sea4ever> No actually! The services starting stopped showing up, it's hidden to me for an unknown reason
[04:56] <sea4ever> No terminal on any VT, ctrl+alt+<x> doesn't work on any f-key
[04:56] <DaskreecH> sea4ever: alt+ctrl+bkspc doesn't work?
[04:57] <sea4ever> Hm..uh I could try that
[04:57] <DaskreecH> or alt+Prntscren+k ?
[04:57] <sea4ever> Lemme try both, hold on
[04:58] <sea4ever> apparently it changed the loglevel or something.
[04:59] <sea4ever> DaskreecH: Any idea why the services starting don't show up? I notice that it doesn't switch to VT7/8 when booting up, it stays on VT1
[05:01] <DaskreecH> sea4ever: what did you install before you booted down last?
[05:04] <sea4ever> uhh..nothing actually. If I remember right I turned on the laptop to check the schedule for my next class and to copy off my homework
[05:04] <sea4ever> and then I turned it off again
[05:09] <sea4ever> I'm gonna try something else here
[05:09] <DaskreecH> sea4ever: didn't install a new kernel?
[05:09] <sea4ever> nah..even if I did I tried the older ones from grub
[05:10] <sea4ever> same result for all
[05:10] <sea4ever> Ah, I got it working
[05:11] <DaskreecH> bleah that's a .. well upstart issue I'd guess
[05:11] <sea4ever> Ok, here's what was wrong: Somehow it's configured *not* to show startup messages
[05:11] <DaskreecH> trired rescue ?
[05:11] <DaskreecH> And you were just being impatient?
[05:11] <sea4ever> the root filesystem was corrupted (probably because I shut it down in a hurry because I was late)
[05:12] <sea4ever> and finally, since I couldn't see the boot messages I never saw the 'File system is corrupted, Fix?(y/n)' message
[05:12] <sea4ever> So I just fixed that from liveCD and it starts up just fine.
[06:33] <illunatic> i installed some screensavers. how do i get them to show up in the screensaver settings?
[06:36] <illunatic> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KGLWaterSaver?content=15329
[06:36] <illunatic> this one
[06:36] <DaskreecH> might have to install xscreensaver
[06:39] <illunatic> maybe
[06:39] <illunatic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=971046
[06:39] <illunatic> gonna give that a shot
[06:39] <illunatic> otherwise it might jsut be a mystery to solve
[06:43] <DaskreecH> Hooray mysteries
[06:57] <illunatic> DaskreecH: i found an install txt that addresses it http://paste.ubuntu.com/490748/
[06:58] <illunatic> just need to find my x sessions startup script now
[06:58] <DaskreecH> whereis xinit might help
[06:58] <illunatic> yatta!
[07:03] <illunatic> i don't understand
[07:03] <illunatic> it's getting far too complicated for a screensaver
[07:03] <illunatic> why not "get screensaver" like wallpaper and splash?
[07:12] <DaskreecH> I don't know I wanted to take up maintership of kde-wallpapers to simplify it
[07:53] <phoenix_> i would like to disable unwanted process, can anyone help me
[08:36]  * illunatic sighs
[08:37] <illunatic> why so hard to get the mic working?
[08:37] <illunatic> does anyone know whic directories relate to the mic?
[08:37] <illunatic> i have it working on another installation
[08:37] <illunatic> don't know what i did tho as nothing i recall doing is working yet
[08:38] <rascranasingha> sobcyzk: do you mean that a little part of the panel can be seen at the edge of the screen?
[08:38]  * illunatic thinks maybe kubuntu isn't the most business reliable OS
[08:41] <illunatic> i'm fucked
[08:41] <rascranasingha> illunatic: what seems to be the problem?
[08:41] <illunatic> oops
[08:41] <illunatic> heh
[08:41] <illunatic> well i have my mic workin on one installation on this machine
[08:42] <illunatic> i need it working on this one as well, but despite my config so far, no luck
[08:42] <illunatic> was wondering if i can just copy the config over from the other one?
[08:42] <rascranasingha> illunatic: what are the different installations?
[08:43] <illunatic> 2 paritions of kubuntu 10.04
[08:44] <illunatic> but the working mic partition is only 10Gb and i need it on the larger partition as well
[08:44] <rascranasingha> Wait
[08:44] <rascranasingha> does tham mean
[08:45] <rascranasingha> that you have two KUbuntu 10.04 instances installed on two partitions
[08:45] <rascranasingha> ?
[08:45] <illunatic> STAC 92xx chipset,
[08:45] <illunatic> yes
[08:46] <rascranasingha> Did You Try The KMix
[08:46] <rascranasingha> ?
[08:47] <illunatic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1357412&postcount=23
[08:47] <illunatic> tried everything here
[08:47] <rascranasingha> ok i'll see it
[08:48] <illunatic> last time it was a matter of editing /var/lib/alsa/asound.state so that capture switch values were true
[08:48] <rascranasingha> BTW.. Why'd YOu Have Two KUbuntu 10.04 partitions? :-)
[08:49] <illunatic> the 10GB one was to try it out for a while without removing windows
[08:50] <illunatic> now i've installed over the old windows partition, but kept the 10GB one since it still works and everything is configured on that to work at least
[08:50] <rascranasingha> Did YOu try that /var/ thingy?
[08:50] <illunatic> yeah and the capture options show up in both kmix and alsamixer
[08:51] <rascranasingha> on both the instances?
[08:51] <illunatic> both of them are set like that, yes
[08:52] <rascranasingha> I Could Be A Clash Or Something
[08:52] <illunatic> http://illunatic.greenpirate.org/mic-doesnt-work-on-kubuntu-10-04-inspiron-1501-fix/
[08:53] <rascranasingha> I'm Stumped As Well
[08:53] <illunatic> this is what i did before
[08:53] <rascranasingha> Two Same Systems
[08:53] <illunatic> but i may have done other things i don't recall
[08:53] <rascranasingha> Trying to access one device
[08:53] <illunatic> nah don't think so
[08:54] <illunatic> i'm gonna try just copying those two files and see if it doesn't fix it heh
[08:54] <rascranasingha> Did This start after you installed over the Windows PArtition
[08:54] <rascranasingha> ?
[08:57] <rascranasingha> :-)
[09:03] <rascranasingha> illunatic: did anything work?
[09:05] <illunatic> well i copied over both the alsa-source.com and the asound.state
[09:05] <illunatic> are there any other files relating to the input device i should be aware of?
[09:06] <rascranasingha> not that I know of
[09:06] <rascranasingha> I looked at the
[09:06] <rascranasingha> link on your forum
[09:07] <rascranasingha> did you try booting to the instance with which you had problems
[09:07] <rascranasingha> and modifying the asound.state?
[09:12] <noaXess> does anybody has also the problem in dolphin that it don't response if any folder/files is doubleclicked?
[09:12] <illunatic> i just remembered... last time i jsut copied the whole /usr/ directory from the working partition to this one and the mic worked
[09:12] <illunatic> so it had to be something there
[09:12] <illunatic> haha
[09:12] <illunatic> but i was having errors so i don't want to copy the whole thing this time :X
[09:13] <illunatic> noaXess: yeah
[09:13] <noaXess> have that since de 4.5.1..
[09:13] <noaXess> hey illunatic
[09:13] <noaXess> is there no fix?
[09:13] <illunatic> because you're only supposed to single click unless you set it to double click
[09:13] <illunatic> i dunno. dolphin seems to crash easily
[09:14] <noaXess> illunatic: i have it on doubleclick...
[09:14] <noaXess> with singleclick no problem?
[09:14] <illunatic> oh... that's just not right
[09:14] <noaXess> it occurs also if i right click and select anything, eg. open with kate
[09:14] <illunatic> yeah but i'm not using kde 4.5.1
[09:19] <rascranasingha> illunatic: did that work?
[09:21] <illunatic> rascranasingha: yeah it worked before, but i had to install kubuntu again because there were too many problems since doing that
[09:21] <illunatic> so i know it's possible to get it working :)
[09:22] <rascranasingha> illunatic: that's good
[09:24] <illunatic> perhaps it's the /usr/lib/alsa-lib files
[09:25] <illunatic> or /usr/share/alsa, alsa-base, alsa-source
[09:29] <rascranasingha> illunatic: Mabye alsa-base is not the answer
[10:54]  * illunatic sigh
[10:54] <illunatic> i think i've found where the problem is, but i don't know why
[10:55] <illunatic> every time i reboot, the settings at asound.state turn back to false
[10:55] <illunatic> http://illunatic.greenpirate.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/eaoboaack.jpg
[10:57] <phoenix_> i am using kde 4.5.1, i feel that there is some performance lag after karmic kola, is that true or i am wrong
[11:05] <illunatic> any ideas why it is resetting my config instead of using it on reboot?
[11:21] <illunatic> why is it doing this to me? why?
[11:21] <illunatic> because i'm overdue on rent and need my mic to work?
[11:21] <illunatic> >_<
[11:49] <steveire> Tm_T: Hi. I was away the last few days.
[11:54] <weasel^> ping
[12:22] <illunatic> now i have no sound :(
[12:23] <illunatic> tryin to confure alsa-source
[12:23] <illunatic> is there a way to roll back to the working drivers?
[12:24] <illunatic> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[12:34] <illunatic> cmon there has to be a way to roll back to the working dricers -_-
[12:34] <illunatic> drivers
[12:34] <illunatic> throw me a friggin bone says dr evil
[12:35] <illunatic> i'm looking at them right now in kde control module
[12:35] <illunatic> they are grayed out
[12:44] <illunatic> i don't even have alsamixer atm
[12:44] <illunatic> fuck me
[12:45] <illunatic> you guys think maybe ubuntu would be a bit easier on a newb?
[12:49] <frogonwheels> illunatic: yeah you can force a version with apt-get install
[12:50] <illunatic> are you talkin about sound drivers?
[12:50] <frogonwheels> illunatic: I'm talking packages..
[12:50] <illunatic> oh
[12:50] <frogonwheels> there's a few howtos/FAQs on getting sound working
[12:50] <frogonwheels> illunatic: you got alsamixer now?
[12:50] <illunatic> yeah... that's what caused my probs :)
[12:51] <illunatic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[12:51] <illunatic> been tryin to get mic working. long story short, my sound no longer works (see general help step 3)
[12:51] <illunatic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[12:52] <illunatic> at this point i apparently am not installing the correct drivers?
[12:53] <frogonwheels> hmm - I've usually found I can get them working without recompiling anything.. what soundcard?
[12:55] <illunatic> STAC9200
[12:55] <illunatic> shows up as HDA ATI SB
[12:55] <frogonwheels> oh, ok
[12:56] <frogonwheels> I think that's what I got
[12:56] <illunatic> i didn't let it toss the drivers, so it shows up in the multimedia control module
[12:56] <frogonwheels> different chip
[12:56] <illunatic> really?
[12:56] <illunatic> i'm on a dell inspiron 1501
[12:56] <frogonwheels> VIA VT1708S
[12:56] <frogonwheels> ..I'm an ASUS fan. :)
[12:57] <illunatic> i would love a machine that is proven to get along with more linux distros
[12:58] <illunatic> seems like everyone with this model has issues of some sort
[12:58] <frogonwheels> hmm.. yeah - I tend towards Asus & Friends (remembering they use a linux variant for their ExpressGate stuff)
[12:59] <illunatic> oh yeah?
[12:59] <illunatic> i'm keeping that in mind then
[12:59] <frogonwheels> presumably you found the 'capture' section of  alsamixer?
[13:00] <illunatic> i get i want the hda-codec-atihdmi?
[13:00] <frogonwheels> yep, looks like it
[13:01] <frogonwheels> snd_hda_codec_atihdmi,snd_hda_codec_via,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec   is what I have
[13:01] <frogonwheels> obviously the via 'cause I've got a via base chip
[13:01] <frogonwheels> gg do some dishes
[13:01] <illunatic> yeah i thought it was sigmatel because that's what i used when it was windows
[13:02] <illunatic> or hda-intel because that's what showed up in alsamixer before
[13:06] <frogonwheels> (that's on our media box - running mythbuntu)
[13:07] <illunatic> no, i don't want KDE to permanently forget about these devices -_-
[13:07] <illunatic> i want to use those devices
[13:07] <illunatic> why such a pita?
[13:08] <illunatic> do i have to reinstall kubuntu all over again just to get back to default working drivers?
[13:45] <hawkI> illunatic: From my BSD kernel building experiences, you should be able to get any drivers you want into the kernel, just re-link  (run your kernel make command )and reboot.  Thats what I used to do in 1982 so Linux must be capable of the same.
[13:52] <janik> hi there
[13:55] <txwikinger> !question | janik
[13:55] <txwikinger> wrong one :)
[13:55] <txwikinger> Anyway.. just ask your question
[14:51] <EvilRoey> Hello.  I am on Lucid Lynx with a Geforce 9800 GT graphics card.  Out of the blue two days ago (after some update, who knows), the Desktop Effects functionality appears disabled no matter what I do.  'glxinfo' says "direct rendering: yes", so I don't get what the problem is....
[14:53] <James147> EvilRoey: and I take it glxgears works?
[14:54] <EvilRoey> Ooh, right, checking.
[14:54] <EvilRoey> James147:  yes, yes it does.
[14:54] <James147> EvilRoey: ... weird
[14:54] <EvilRoey> What's the next check, then?
[14:54] <James147> EvilRoey: could you try creating a new user and seeing if it works for them
[14:55] <EvilRoey> true.
[14:55] <EvilRoey> brb
[14:59] <EvilRoey> James147:  hey! I created an auxiliary user and found that it's fine over there as far as desktop effects.
[14:59] <EvilRoey> James147:  so what could cause DEs to fail for my user then?
[15:00] <James147> EvilRoey: config problem... my guess is with kwin :)
[15:01] <EvilRoey> James147:  hrm.  But.  Ah well, right. I'll pester #kde
[15:02] <James147> (my guess, and I could be wrong is that kwin marked a file to tell it that for somereason decided that your comp cannot handle defsktop effects, and is reasing that file to save checking every login)
[15:02] <James147> i would check ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[15:04] <EvilRoey> hey all, why would I suddenly lose my inventory of Desktop Effects under the 'All Effects' tab (and DE is obviously suspended), but ONLY FOR ONE USER?
[15:04] <EvilRoey> that is the question better put.
[15:18] <EvilRoey> James147:  http://pastebin.com/SZkxVJRD
[15:18] <EvilRoey> James147:  I moved kwinrc out and let kde build a new one; that worked.  The link shows the diff between the two.
[15:24] <James147> EvilRoey: well... my best guess would be the OpenGLIsUnsafe=false  (its false on the one that works, true on the one that doesnt)
[15:24] <EvilRoey> right right.
[15:25] <EvilRoey> that's what I suspected, too
[15:25] <James147> (why did i read it bottem up... took allot longer to find that)  :D
[15:25] <EvilRoey> hahaha
[15:25] <EvilRoey> I do that too :P
[15:25] <EvilRoey> impatience on our parts
[15:25] <EvilRoey> it's our generation.
[15:25] <James147> i did a search for effects and started at that :)
[15:26] <James147> EvilRoey: i would be tempted to just delete all the lines that refer to opengl, or graphcs stuff in general in teh same block as that line
[15:26] <EvilRoey> ah
[15:26] <James147> (if there missing kde will assume defauts)
[15:27] <James147> (or should, backup the file as well :) )
[15:27] <EvilRoey> well it did re-build my kwinrc after I moved it out of the way
[15:27] <EvilRoey> James147:  true
[15:27] <EvilRoey> James147:  then the question becomes, what prompted kde/kwin to change that GL setting :P
[15:28] <James147> EvilRoey: no clue... one failed check probally stoped it from checking (there is no point in checking again if it has already failed... or at least thats probally what the dev thourght)
[15:29] <James147> EvilRoey: dont know what triped it up in the first palce though :)
[15:30] <EvilRoey> heh
[15:30] <EvilRoey> well thanks so much for the advice!
[15:30] <EvilRoey> it worked!
[15:30] <James147> :)
[15:31] <James147> and without deleting all your settings :D
[15:31] <EvilRoey> so I was wondering, what's with your nick?
[15:31] <EvilRoey> aye :)
[15:31] <EvilRoey> I'm glad about that
[15:31] <James147> dont you love having settings in config files :)
[15:31]  * James147 now has to find the file responsible for krunner autostarting (or rather not)
[15:37] <baxeico_> I'm wondering if it's the case of upgrading to KDE 4.5.1 in Lucid
[15:38] <baxeico_> do you have any problems with 4.5.1 from backports?
[15:38] <baxeico_> I'm running 4.4.5 from backports
[15:38] <James147> baxeico_: not personally... well nepomuk search was broken, but seems to be working now
[15:39] <baxeico_> I read of some dolphin crashes and freezes
[15:39] <baxeico_> also in 4.5.1
[15:39] <James147> hasent dont that here... although I think that problem was with the info panel (which i removed)
[15:39] <James147> (and possibally the tool tips (which are disabled by default))
[15:41] <baxeico_> James147: did you upgraded from 4.4.5 in lucid?
[15:41] <James147> baxeico_: along time ago yes :)
[15:42] <baxeico_> :) because aptitude wants to remove libqt4-phonon, and it sounds scary to me
[15:42] <baxeico_> libqt4-phonon: Depends: libphonon4 (= 4:4.6.3-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 is to be installed
[15:42] <James147> baxeico_: there where a few packages that where replaced
[15:43] <James147> baxeico_: so it sounds scary, but its because its being replaced by something else :)... or at elast should be
[15:43] <James147> baxeico_: if in doupt reinstall kubuntu-desktop after, that should pull anything you need (although you shouldnt need to)
[15:44] <baxeico_> kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package for a clean kubuntu install?
[15:46] <CaptainCanuck> is it dead in here?
[15:47] <James147> baxeico_: well, not clean... (it shouldnt remove packages that are already installed but it will install everything needed by kubuntu)
[15:47] <James147> CaptainCanuck: why would you think that?
[15:48] <CaptainCanuck> idk, ive never been here before
[15:48] <CaptainCanuck> im the only linux user at my university
[15:49] <CaptainCanuck> so im bored
[15:49] <CaptainCanuck> anyone need help with anything?
[15:49] <James147> CaptainCanuck: well, this channel is for kubuntu support, if you want to chat join #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:50] <James147> CaptainCanuck: generally people will ask questions if they have any :) you dont need to prompt them
[15:53] <powerinside> How to adjust refresh rates of two monitors (in a dual screen config) ?
[15:53] <CaptainCanuck> What do you see in System>Preferences>Monitors?
[15:54] <powerinside> I see only 59.9 Hz.. my LCD 's optimal is 60 Hz
[15:54] <powerinside> I get flickers when i type or move the cursor in current config
[15:54] <powerinside> I suppose it is due to refresh rate wrongly set as 59.9 automatically
[15:55] <CaptainCanuck> A change of 0.1 Hz is hardly noticeable, I think your screen flickers for a differet reason
[15:55] <powerinside> Ok so were do I start?
[15:55] <powerinside> My gfx is Ati Mobility Radeon HD 2300
[15:56] <v3nd3tta``> how can i add a refresh rate mnually? it shows 50,0 hz but my monitor says he supports 60 hz as well
[15:56] <v3nd3tta``> but in refreshrate menu there are only 50 and 51
[15:56] <v3nd3tta``> how can i add 60?
[15:58] <powerinside> CaptainCanuck: Maybe should I try installing propertiary gfx drivers on my box?
[15:59] <CaptainCanuck> doesnt hurt
[16:00] <powerinside> CaptainCanuck: How can I obtain one? From the official site it doesnt list my ATI mobility radeon HD 2300 in supported list
[16:00] <CaptainCanuck> System>Admin>Hardware Drivers
[16:02] <slow-motion> hi
[16:02] <powerinside> CaptainCanuck: Sorry I cant find "admin" in my System Settings UI.. My box is kubuntu 10.04
[16:03] <CaptainCanuck> Administrators
[16:03] <CaptainCanuck> Administration*
[16:03] <CaptainCanuck> hi slowmo
[16:03] <letalis> anyone here have experience with kde 4.5.1?
[16:03] <letalis> im having problems changing the plasma theme
[16:04] <powerinside> CaptainCanuck: I can't find that either! :/  Are you telling me to use terminal?
[16:08] <powerinside> CaptainCanuck: I can't find that either! :/ Are you telling me to use terminal?
[16:08] <CaptainCanuck> System>Administration?
[16:08] <powerinside> Yes cant find
[16:09] <CaptainCanuck> o nvm, this is kubuntu
[16:11] <powerinside> CaptainCanuck: Sorry, but mine is kubuntu too!?
[16:12] <James147> powerinside: run "jockey-kde"  or look for "Hardware Drivers" in the menu (not system settings)
[16:13] <powerinside> James147: Thanks, but now it says no propertiary drivers installed. Now how should I proceed
[16:15] <James147> powerinside: does it list availble drivers ?
[16:15] <powerinside> Nop
[16:16] <powerinside> Should I try jocky-kde in terminal?
[16:16] <James147> powerinside: shouldnt make any difference
[16:16] <James147> powerinside: well, you could maunally install them via apt-get, aptitude or kpackagekit, but I dont know what the ati ones are called :(
[16:18] <powerinside> Will any general ATI driver for linux work? Or should I hunt down thats specific to my mobility radeon
[16:19] <realburb> hi, I have a fileserver (smb) and connected to it using dolphin, I can pull files (mp3) from the server to my local disk and play the files, but when I try to open them on the server, I get errors, what is going wrong here?
[16:19] <James147> powerinside: normally drivers cover a wide range of cards (ie the ndivia-current ones cover mostly all nvidia cards)
[16:20] <EagleScreen_> realburb: and you open them with?
[16:20] <realburb> vlc
[16:20] <powerinside> I am pretty much sure my card wasnt listed in supported lists when I read the release note of the latest ATI drivers for linux on ATI's site.. will it be harmful if i try to install it?
[16:20] <EagleScreen_> vlc may not support samba protocol
[16:22] <James147> powerinside: wont be permintly harmful, but trying to load the wrong drivers can cause X not to start (you will get a command ling prompt) you can always loginto that and delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf  to get X working again
[16:22] <realburb> well, shouldnt kio make network shares look like local filesystems?
[16:22] <EagleScreen_> realburb: may be it should
[16:24] <powerinside> James147: Ok thanks for all the tips.. Im going to risk and try the propertiery drivers
[16:24] <James147> realburb: dose it work with other placers (vlc isnt kde so probally wont use the kio)
[16:24] <James147> players ^^
[16:24] <realburb> amarok doesnt work either
[16:26] <EagleScreen_> they cannot acess to files across ftp or smb
[16:26] <realburb> what about smbfs?
[16:31] <realburb> mhm Ill try it, I may need a reboot, how can I choose a different workgroup?
[17:08] <JuJuBee> 	I installed nis on my server and clients but when i try to use yppasswd on client, tells me yppasswdd not running on server. Any help?
[18:51] <Monalisa_Thakur>  guide for nebiw for IRC http://i-am-newbie.blogspot.com/
[18:58] <Mamarok> Monalisa_Thakur: please no advertising on support channels
[18:59] <Monalisa_Thakur> Mamarok, sorry
[19:00] <Monalisa_Thakur> don't gonna put the link again ^_^'
[19:00] <Monalisa_Thakur> btw is Kubuntu still in alpha 3
[19:02] <Monalisa_Thakur> i am installed kubuntu 10.10 alpha but buggy ..and looks cool. but now its become OPEN box simple & fast
[19:03] <Monalisa_Thakur> i remove all kde stuff from it
[19:03] <Monalisa_Thakur> acually wating for a dist-upgrade when its become stable
[19:04] <Mamarok> Monalisa_Thakur: please ask questions about Maverick in #ubuntu+1
[19:04] <Monalisa_Thakur> ok bye guys ..and again sorry for that link ..
[19:05] <Monalisa_Thakur> ohoo ..
[19:05] <Monalisa_Thakur> thanks Mamarok
[19:05] <Mamarok> andthe stable version is Lucid
[19:06] <Monalisa_Thakur> Mamarok, ya i dist upgrade useing alpha ppa of 10.10 from lucid
[19:26] <glaucous> Is there a way too boot into command prompt, terminal, instead of getting the KDM GUI at boot? I need it this once, for installing NVIDIA drivers (after uninstalling I can't get KDM).
[19:38] <TSK> glaucous: You could try passing the kernel parameter "single" at grub to drop to single user command prompt mode I think?
[20:01] <cato37> hello. amule isnt working. it looks like it is trying to load (bouncing cursor) and then it fails to load.  what should i do?
[20:03] <hish> hello after I update to kubuntu 10.04.1 my x not working and give me this error drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed
[20:03] <hish> and there is anothere errors all related to i915
[20:04] <hish> after i do a search about this error
[20:04] <hish> it realated to vga and kms
[20:04] <hish> try to load the i915 at boot time
[20:04] <hish> but it is not workin
[20:04] <hish> working*
[20:05] <hish> i know it is a bug in the new kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:06] <hish> hey guus any help in this bug or wolkarond
[20:06] <hish> wolkaround*
[20:25] <TFrog> is anyone here running an intel 8.xx graphics chipset?
[20:30] <TSK> cato37: First thing to try is try running it from a terminal and see if it spits out any kinda error message which might help you discover why it's not running.
[20:31] <cato37> TSK: thanx. i uninstalled it, and am reinstalling it in apt-get with the -b command, like with freecol. it is taking a long time though
[20:34] <cato37> it is in a repeating cycle. how do i stop it?
[20:37] <cato37> TSK: how do i run it in the terminal?
[20:40] <cato37> i typed amule in the terminal and got: There is an instance of aMule already running
[20:40] <cato37> TSK: i typed amule in the terminal and got: There is an instance of aMule already running
[20:41] <TSK> Hmmm.
[20:42] <TSK> Afraid I dunno anything about aMule, but perhaps you could try "killall amule" then try running it?
[20:42] <TSK> "ps -A | grep amule" after the killall would tell you if it's really dead or not.
[20:45] <cato37> killall amule gives: no process
[20:46] <Peace-> cato37: pkill amu THEN PRESS TAB
[20:46] <cato37> ps grep amule didnt do anything
[20:47] <Peace-> so it would be amule is not running
[20:47] <cato37> display all 3310 possibilities? y or n
[20:48] <cato37> amule is listed
[20:49] <cato37> i typed amule again and got
[20:50] <cato37> Initialising aMule 2.2.6 using wxGTK2 v2.8.10
[20:50] <cato37> Checking if there is an instance already running...
[20:50] <cato37> There is an instance of aMule already running
[20:50] <cato37> (lock file: /home/theo/.aMule/muleLock)Raising current running instance.
[20:50] <FloodBotK2> cato37: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:50] <cato37> sorry
[20:53] <cato37> reboot. brb
[21:06] <cato37> TSK: i purged the last install and reinstalled it over. it is working. thanx.
[21:07] <TSK> cato37: Ah, right on.  That's good news.  :)
[21:07] <cato37> TSK: :) have a good day.
[21:08] <TSK> You also.  :)
[21:10] <MarkSS> KDE is very hard to navigate
[21:10] <MarkSS> I need help
[21:11] <MarkSS> Does Kubuntu not have a Software Center?  Where the heck is it?  How do I find and install new software packages?  I cannnot find any at all and I've looked like everywhere.
[21:14] <zongo_> Hey Guys, just installed Kubuntu and rebooted. Cant use root in a shell anymore. Authentication failure. I had just used it. Any idea ?
[21:15] <TSK> MarkSS: Menu > System > KPackageKit is one possible software center.
[21:15] <MarkSS> TSK:  That just keeps returning nothing when I type any programs I know
[21:16] <MarkSS> It appears to be very disorganized as well.  Hard to really see anything.  Long lists
[21:16] <zongo_> I think I found out why (may be:) cant open the KDE wallet thingy
[21:17] <zongo_> I suppose that stops me from accessing root privileges ?
[21:17] <TSK> MarkSS: Personally I prefer "Synaptic" package manager.
[21:17] <MarkSS> Yes, I can't even find that
[21:17] <TSK> zongo_: sudo command doesn't work?
[21:17] <MarkSS> I think KPackageKit is horrible and terribly confusing.  Can't even get anything outta it
[21:18] <TSK> MarkSS: It isn't installed by default.  "sudo apt-get install synaptic" at a commandline will install it though.
[21:18] <MarkSS> Why isn't this KPackageKit not working?
[21:18] <TSK> I personally find it easier to use than KPackageKit.
[21:18] <MarkSS> I got the updates, but can't find anything else
[21:18] <zongo_> TSK: nope wont let me use root anymore
[21:19] <MarkSS> Isn't there a Kubuntu Software Center?
[21:19] <zongo_> the weirdest is that i was using it 5 minutes ago
[21:19] <zongo_> the kde wallet can't open either
[21:19] <zongo_> with the password that I used before 5 minutes  :)
[21:19] <zongo_> I knew I was not alone :)
[21:20] <TSK> MarkSS: KPackageKit IS the Kubuntu version of "Software Center" as far as I know, but I'm no big fan of it at all.  I much prefer Synaptic.  :)
[21:20] <zongo_> can I just delete the kde wallet and I suppose start a new one ?
[21:20] <TSK> zongo_: I wish I knew what was wrong.  Are you in the sudoers group?
[21:21] <TSK> "groups" at a commandline gives you a list of what groups you are a member of.
[21:21] <zongo_> nope, I am not
[21:21] <zongo_> But i was doing  is just type  su then pass to become root
[21:21] <TSK> Are you a member of adm or admin group?
[21:21] <zongo_> that worked
[21:22] <TSK> How about "sudo su" and then type YOUR password instead of the root password?
[21:23] <TSK> I'm pretty sure the KWallet has nothing to do with the sudo command, although I'm fairly sure KWallet IS used by the "kdesudo" command.
[21:24] <zongo_> TSK: yep I am in admin
[21:24] <zongo_> that is really weird
[21:25] <zongo_> since I logged into my session i did not forget my password :)
[21:25] <zongo_> and I have been drinking tea all night long .....
[21:26] <TSK> zongo_: Try "sudo su" and use YOUR password when it asks for a password (NOT the root password, but the password you use to login to your user account).
[21:27] <zongo_> I connected with root without it asking me for a password
[21:27] <TSK> zongo_: That SHOULD get you a root shell if sudo is working as expected.  IF that works, then you can use "sudo <any root command>" to run commands as root.
[21:28] <TSK> "sudo synaptic" for example will run the synaptic package manager as root (if it's installed of course).
[21:28] <zongo_> thanks TSK for your time. I have another question if I may. I am connected to a display and eveytime i reboot it looses my parameters
[21:28] <TSK> If I remember right, the actual root account is technically sorta disabled for security reasons.
[21:29] <zongo_> is it possible to keep my settings alive even after reboot ?
[21:29] <TSK> zongo_: Which settings is it losing?
[21:29] <zongo_> the display one
[21:30] <TSK> Like screen resolution?
[21:30] <zongo_> scren res on the display and the laptop but also the position
[21:30] <isaacch> HOLA
[21:31] <zongo_> and everytime I have to manually reinsert the settings
[21:31] <zongo_> may be an expected behavior ?
[21:31] <TSK> zongo_: Hmm...  That sounds like a bit more technical problem there.  Might have to actually edit the xorg.conf file to fix that one.
[21:32] <phoenix_> how to disable unwanted services like kbluetooth from starting automatically at logon .
[21:33] <zongo_> may be I wait a couple of years that I can come out of the newbie zone :)
[21:33] <zongo_> thanks TSK for your time
[21:33] <TSK> zongo_: Happy to be helpful.  :)
[21:34] <zongo_> on another subject, KDE is fantastic compare to gnome
[21:34] <TSK> It's been my experience that the longer you use Linux, the less you want to even TOUCH any OTHER operating system.  :)
[21:35] <TSK> I've always been a big fan of KDE, although I'm still not sure whether I love or hate KDE 4.  :)
[21:35] <zongo_> bought this magazine and there was the CD of Ubuntu and on the CD Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu
[21:35] <phoenix_> TSK: commercial games have stated coming for linux
[21:35] <zongo_> I tried all and will for the moment stick with KDE
[21:35] <zongo_> learning my ways around
[21:36] <TSK> phoenix_: Aye.  Since I started learning various programming languages tho, I've really not been all that interested in playing games anymore.  :)
[21:36] <phoenix_> tsk i mean to say that linux is getting popular
[21:36] <TSK> Too many Windows games have been too much the "same-old-same-old" over recent years anyhow.  :)
[21:37] <TSK> phoenix_: Aye.  I just hope that popularity leads to more-better hardware support for Linux from more hardware manufacturers.
[21:37] <phoenix_> TSK: that means, corporate support for drivers
[21:37] <TSK> phoenix_: That's the thing I've been MOST looking for more'n anything else, is more hardware manufacturers to take Linux as seriously as it deserves.
[21:38] <BajK> TSK: I can just confirm that. I always hate it when I have to stick with windows^^
[21:38] <TSK> Up until recently it's been up to the hardworking open source developers to reverse engineer new hardware and create drivers.
[21:38] <elmoa> buonasera
[21:38] <phoenix_> TSK: i stared using linux for the past one year and now i am programming using qt, i am writing plugins for kopete
[21:38] <zongo_> I just wish that their would more doc for linux
[21:38] <TSK> I haven't "had to" use Windows for anything in over 8 years now, and to be honest, I don't miss Windows one little bit.  ;)
[21:39] <BajK> phoenix_: Oh, I am too lazy to give KDE programming a try. I‘d love to help programming, but I hate C and so, well, I cannot (:
[21:39] <phoenix_> zongo_: what kind of docs do you want
[21:39] <TSK> phoenix_: Only QT programming I've done is in Ruby.  Sooner or later I really should take the time to learn some form of C/C++/C#
[21:39] <BajK> The first experience with Linux was in 1999 with KDE 1.0 :D Where it had this three-dimensional blue K logo^^
[21:40] <BajK> and we didn't get the tape drive to work
[21:40] <zongo_> phoenix: well for ex, I just run linux kubuntu and stumbled upon ktorrent
[21:40] <phoenix_> BajK: my favourite is BASIC, but for linux there are only two versions, gambas and realbasic. its not yet good enough
[21:40] <TSK> Best KDE ever was KDE3.5.11 if what you like is rock solid reliable stable as a brick outhouse.  :)
[21:40] <zongo_> looks like a very nice app by half I dont get
[21:40] <BajK> phoenix_: Basic? Finally I found someone who shares my opinions :)
[21:41] <zongo_> was googling left right and center but to no avail really
[21:41] <TSK> ktorrent is uber.  I download ALL my Linux CDs/DVDs on ktorrent.  :)
[21:41] <BajK> but I'll stick with Lazarus :) Kinda reminds me of visual basic^^
[21:41] <zongo_> Plus, I was looking for some doc that would explain the basic of linux
[21:41] <TSK> BajK: Might also want to look into MonoDevelop if you like VisualBasic.
[21:41] <BajK> TSK: I couldn't get used to it, dunno..
[21:41] <phoenix_> zongo_: try ebooks
[21:42] <TSK> zongo_: There's TONS of great docs about Linux and Ubuntu
[21:42] <zongo_> I did that as well
[21:42] <BajK> and I can connect to a mysql db which helps me a lot. Currently developing a customer managment system. Because it seems to be an equation, the more expensive a pice of software it the shittier it is to use^^
[21:42] <TSK> One sec.  I'll see what I can find to get you started.
[21:42] <BajK> best example: EVERY SAP application
[21:42] <phoenix_> TSK:  does mono compile the code to native elf format
[21:42] <zongo_> not that easy to stumble a good one that would be at my level
[21:42] <BajK> TSK: but I think I'll give monodelop another try
[21:43] <zongo_> but otherwise, a lot of docs as you said
[21:43] <TSK> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/free-ubuntu-linux-e-books.html
[21:43] <zongo_> Linux is just not a straight road
[21:43] <zongo_> many ways to do things within the linux realm
[21:43] <phoenix_> BajK: did you try qt
[21:43] <TSK> Mono compiles to native CLI (common language infrastructure or somesuch) code which is the same thing that .NET compiles to.
[21:43] <zongo_> TSK: thanks, I did have a look at that website
[21:44] <TSK> http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/
[21:45] <zongo_> "Written from the ground-up to cover Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10" says the book
[21:45] <BajK> phoenix_: yes and it sucks really bad^^
[21:45] <TSK> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/05/14/free-ubuntu-ebook/
[21:45] <zongo_> I have just installed v10.04
[21:46] <phoenix_> BajK: gambas is good but, it is an interpreter based one
[21:47] <BajK> I also have gambas
[21:47] <BajK> but I don't like it
[21:47] <TSK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[21:47] <BajK> it cannot even use the standard file dialogs
[21:47] <BajK> and I hate applications that implement their own and so I don't wanna do that
[21:47] <TSK> There's the best beginner manual I know of.
[21:48] <TSK> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[21:48] <TSK> A more direct link
[21:48] <TSK> That should be for 10.04, too.
[21:50] <phoenix_> BajK: have you tried realbasic
[21:50] <BajK> nope
[21:51] <TSK> zongo_: That last link I posted is probably just the book you are looking for I bet.  :)
[21:51] <zongo_> let me have a look :)
[21:52] <phoenix_> TSK: i heard that kde 3.5's performace was better than kde 4.x , what do you say
[21:52] <BajK> yes KDE 4 is kinda fat^^
[21:52] <BajK> and I hate plasma :) But anything is better than Windows, eh^^
[21:52] <TSK> Undoubtedly true.  KDE3.5.11 was not only rock solid stable, but straight up lightning fast.
[21:53] <zongo_> nice, thanks TSK
[21:53] <TSK> KDE4 is getting better, but it looks like it's gonna be well beyond 4.5 before it's even CLOSE to as stable as 3.5 was.
[21:54] <TSK> At least it's not cripplingly slow and constant crash anymore tho.
[21:55] <phoenix_> TSK:  there is some performance lag of kwin in 4.5, i thing 4.6 will be good
[21:56] <TSK> The latest 4.5 in kubuntu repositories is running fairly decent, but honestly, KDE4 series is still buggy as sin compared to my old 3.5.11 box that can run rock solid forEVER.  :)
[21:57] <TSK> I look forward to the day that the KDE4 series achieves that kinda stability.
[21:57] <phoenix_> TSK: are you still using kde 3.5?
[21:57] <TSK> I'm sure it will soon.  It's getting pretty close.
[21:58] <look> TSK, i do to
[21:58] <TSK> phoenix_: I have KDE3.5.11 on another box that still hasn't been upgraded, but on my current workstation I'm using the latest KDE4 in kubuntu.
[22:00] <phoenix_> TSK: tried compiz to get some performance, but it crashes
[22:01] <TSK> I used to use compiz-fusion and for a while I used emerald, but now I just use kwin.
[22:01] <phoenix_> what is your kde version
[22:01] <TSK> 4.5.1
[22:03] <phoenix_> the kde windows decorator crashes when i use compiz-fusion, mine is also kde 4.5.1
[22:03] <TSK> I haven't tried any flavor of compiz recently.
[22:04] <TSK> kwin pretty much does everything I need it to these days as far as eyecandy, and I can easily disable it anytime it gets annoying.  :)
[22:04] <TSK> (Ctrl-Shift-F12 FTW)
[22:05] <TSK> Sorry.  That's Shift-Alt-F12
[22:06] <TSK> Shift-Alt-F12 = Toggle compositing effects on/off in kwin.  TOO useful.  :)
[22:06] <phoenix_> TSK: what do you think about the performance, i feel their is some lag
[22:07] <TSK> Compared to KDE3.5, KDE4 is still a bit slower on my current machine, but I suspect on a really up to date graphics card it would just positively FLY.
[22:07] <TSK> You CAN adjust the animation speeds in the settings tho.  Set to "Instant" it's pretty fast even on my old graphics card.
[22:09] <phoenix_> TSK: i mean to ask the diff between kde 4.4.2 and 4.5
[22:10] <TSK> Ah.  Honestly, I think that 4.5 is actually NOTICEABLY quicker than any prior 4.x series version on my hardware.  4.4 series and before were visibly laggy.
[22:11] <TSK> 4.2 was cripplingly slow, and 4.1 was not only slow, but so crashy as to be entirely unusable.
[22:12] <phoenix_> TSK: how do you set emerald as default for compiz-fusion
[22:12] <TSK> I think maybe by KDE5 I might be AS happy as I was with KDE3.5.  ;)
[22:13] <TSK> phoenix_: compiz-fusion is the Emerald project merged back into the Compiz project.
[22:14] <phoenix_> oh, then how do i change the default windows decorator
[22:15] <TSK> It's been a long time since I used any flavor of Compiz, but I used to control that with the fusion-tray icon or somesuch.
[22:16] <TSK> Looks like fusion-icon is still available in the Ubuntu repositories.
[22:16] <TSK> Pretty sure that's the tool I used to use.
[22:19] <phoenix_> TSK: i think i installed compiz instead of compiz fusion
[22:20] <TSK> fusion is the better choice.  All the goodness of Emerald PLUS all the goodness of Compiz.  :)
[22:21] <phoenix_> ya, i heard emerald is stable
[22:22] <TSK> It used to be more stable than Compiz, before the projects merged back together into compiz-fusion.
[22:23] <phoenix_> oh
[22:25] <weximus> #home
[22:25] <TSK> Welcome home?
[22:31] <phoenix_> TSK: system crashed when i used compiz
[22:31] <TSK> :(
[22:31] <TSK> Regular compiz or fusion?
[22:31] <phoenix_> TSK: i have to use kwin now
[22:34] <TSK> phoenix_: Looks like there is a compiz-kde package in the repositories which might be better suited to use with KDE?
[22:34] <glaucous> I installed a NVIDIA card (from ATI), and now all fonts are smaller. Is there a quick fix to this, except editing all Font sizes?
[22:34] <phoenix_> TSK: i tried that first, but it too crashes
[22:35] <TSK> Brutal.  :(
[22:35] <phoenix_> TSK: ya
[22:35] <TSK> I guess we are stuck with kwin for now.
[22:36] <phoenix_> TSK: :)
[22:40] <glaucous> Now I just came here, but what's the problem with kwin?
[22:41] <TSK> No problem that I know of.  A couple of us were just feeling nostalgic about Compiz and trying to see if it still works with KDE.  Apparently it doesn't anymore.  :)
[22:41] <glaucous> Oh, I see
[22:50] <Taha_> Hi
[22:50] <Taha_> I have a small problem
[22:50] <Taha_> I can't install XChat for some reason
[22:50] <Taha_> I'm on Ubuntu 10.10
[22:50] <FloodBotK2> Taha_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:50] <Taha_> FloodBotK2: I'm not flooding. :(
[22:50] <Taha_> Anyone?
[22:51] <Taha_> Also, FloodBotK2, speaking of punctuation, those commas should be semicolons!
[22:51] <Taha_> Anyone?
[22:51] <Taha_> administrator_: You sound like you're willing to help :D
[22:53] <chuckf> Taha_: you won't install xchat until you at least try
[22:53] <Taha_> chuckf: I tried to, but it gives me an error
[22:53] <Taha_> I can't copy & paste the error
[22:53] <chuckf> then I can't help
[22:54] <chuckf> maybe try quassel
[22:55] <Taha_> Quassel, eh?
[22:55] <Taha_> Is that an image screenshotting utiltity?
[22:55] <TSK> Quassel is actually pretty slick.  I'm using it right now.
[22:55] <Taha_> Oh
[22:55] <Taha_> It's an IRC client
[22:55] <TSK> It's an IRC client similar to XChat
[22:55] <chuckf> quassel is a different irc chat client
[22:56] <Taha_> Ugh
[22:56] <Taha_> It also won't install
[22:56] <Taha_> How do I take a screenshot?
[22:56] <Taha_> And update it to imageshack?
[22:56] <Taha_> Well
[22:56] <Taha_> I know how to update
[22:56] <FloodBotK2> Taha_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:56] <Taha_> Oh wait
[22:56] <Taha_> Nvm
[22:56] <hsr> Kubuntu 10.04 had a feature to add gnome applets... How can i get that?
[22:56] <hsr> Kubuntu 10.04 have a feature to add gnome applets... How can i get that?
[22:57] <e_t_> hsr: what do you mean?
[22:59] <hsr> e_t_: Apart from widgets, current version allows to ad gnome applets as well
[23:00] <e_t_> hsr: Where did you find out about this feature? I haven't come across it.
[23:06] <cjae> how do I extract multiple archives at once? they are not number
[23:06] <cjae> ed*
[23:07] <e_t_> cjae: I'd probably open tar in several terminal windows, but that would slow your system to a crawl.
[23:12] <hsr> How to burn music CDs directly from Amarok?
[23:59] <bbeck> Does anyone know how to add an application to the panel that is not in the application launcher?


[18:40] <JanC> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/11/30/trustcor-internet-authority-mozilla/ → are you working on removing TrustCor CAs from browsers, ca-certificates, ...?
[19:13] <mdeslaur> JanC: we can't really for ca-certificates...mozilla isn't removing the CA, they are rejecting certs issues after a certain date...something that ca-certificates, openssl, gnutls don't support
[19:13] <mdeslaur> JanC: for firefox and thunderbird, they use their own embedded nss, so it will get updated with the next browser updates
[19:13] <JanC> that seems problematic, as they can easily antidate their own spyware certificates
[19:14] <mdeslaur> hrm, yeah, that's true...I wonder why mozilla chose to go that route instead of just removing it
[19:14] <mdeslaur> and I wonder if anything legitimate was signed by them
[19:14] <mdeslaur> if not...
[19:15] <mdeslaur> I'll have to see if there's been any updates in the mozilla bugs
[19:16] <JanC> it's possible TrustCor did some legit stuff to cover for the spyware, but IMO better to block those than allow the spyware (the faster their customers are aware the better!)
[19:17] <JanC> I mean, legit customers would be even more vulnerable
[19:19] <JanC> I wish the peopel who distribute these CA collections would do more due diligence on CAs  :-(
[19:20] <JanC> any company that uses anonymous tax haven addresses & PO Boxes as their only company addresses should never be allowed to be a CA
[19:22] <mdeslaur> this is mozilla's commit https://hg.mozilla.org/projects/nss/rev/a871902c05907db3150ac8b7f6a80dd01b5d38c9
[19:22] <mdeslaur> perhaps I'm misinterpreting CKA_NSS_SERVER_DISTRUST_AFTER
[19:22] <mdeslaur> I thought it meant certs they signed after that date, but now I think I'm wrong
[19:23] <JanC> you might be right about what they do, but I think that is wrong
[19:24] <JanC> that only makes sense when a CA can be trusted and only the certificate is compromised
[19:24] <JanC> or something like that
[19:27] <mdeslaur> so this was their decision: https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/oxX69KFvsm4/m/yLohoVqtCgAJ
[19:27] <mdeslaur> "There is no evidence of TrustCor mis-issuing TLS or SMIME certificates."..."If evidence is found that the CA has mis-used certificates or the CA backdates certificates to bypass the distrust-after settings, then we will remove the root certificates from Mozilla’s root store in an expedited timeline, without waiting for the end-entity TLS certificates to expire."
[19:29] <mdeslaur> I'm curious if any legitimate services will be blocked if we remove the cert completely
[19:29] <mdeslaur> we did something similar in the past with a cert that mozilla had just dated and we got burned, so I'm hesitant to remove something mozilla hasn't
[19:32] <JanC> supposedly they've worked with a company that makes secure traffic inspection boxes in the past...
[19:32] <mdeslaur> lol, that doesn't sound good :)
[19:36] <JanC> stuff like """TrustCor operates the mail encryption product MsgSafe and a beta version of MsgSafe contained the only known unobfuscated version of the spyware SDK.""" are even less assuring
[19:36] <JanC> selling "secure mail" products that contain spyware?
[19:36] <JanC> https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/oxX69KFvsm4/m/WJXUELicBQAJ?
[19:38] <JanC> """TrustCor uses Princeton Audit Group (PAG) as its auditor.
[19:38] <JanC> According to CCADB records, PAG does not audit any other publicly-trusted CAs. """
[19:40] <JanC> they have been sued for registering domains that almost looked like company domains too (intended for phishing?)
[19:40] <mdeslaur> ok, I think you've convinced me...let me think about it and I'll probably prepare ca-certificates updates on monday once I've gotten an agreement from the rest of the team
[19:40] <JanC> maybe discuss it with others (other distros, upstream?)
[19:41] <JanC> https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2018-1096#:~:text=Investigations%20conducted%20by,clients%20or%20employees
[19:42] <JanC> I can't see any legitimate reason for a legitimate CA to buy any "bfgoodrich" domains
[19:43] <JanC> that "safe mail" tool is supposedly often used by scams & phishing & such also
[19:44] <JanC> (but that's probably true about some legit safe mail providers)
[19:44] <mdeslaur> I've asked the other in the team if they are in agreement and I'll remove them
[19:44] <mdeslaur> *others
[19:47] <JanC> I suggest reading that WP article (& their previous one) + everything they link to  :)
[19:48] <JanC> personally I have blocked them, but it's unlikely I will encounter any of their legit uses  :)
[19:53] <JanC> """I have listed a few of the public audits I have found here [1], and Mozilla
[19:53] <JanC> also has them listed here [2]. What I've found is that in the standard and BR
[19:53] <JanC> audits for 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021, as well as the code signing audits for
[19:53] <JanC> 2020 and 2021, their auditor consistently describe the CA's "Certification
[19:53] <JanC> Authority (CA) operations at Toronto, Ontario, Canada". According to what I've
[19:53] <JanC> learned from this thread (please correct me if I am wrong) TrustCor was not a
[19:53] <JanC> Canadian company during this time and did not have an office in Canada. This is ten different audits over four years."""
[20:02] <JanC> https://groups.google.com/a/mozilla.org/g/dev-security-policy/c/oxX69KFvsm4/m/Equ9-qk5BQAJ
[20:02] <JanC> """Despite advertising "end-to-end encrypted email" (see above screenshot, taken today), MsgSafe does not actually provide end-to-end encryption (E2EE), as the term is commonly understood"""
[20:07] <JanC> mdeslaur: seems like mostly No-IP customers would be impacted?
[20:08] <JanC> that might be significant number of people...
[20:22] <JanC> although maybe it's only the free tier
[23:24] <mdeslaur> JanC: I will be preparing ca-certificates updates first thing monday morning.
[23:25] <JanC> okay  :)
[23:26] <JanC> I hope the fall-out isn't too big
[23:27] <JanC> most people only would encounter those certificates in their browser anyway
[23:28] <JanC> especially those who wouldn't understand what's happening


[17:37] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I think I've finally addressed all the complexities of the user/groups schema. Too many options please recheck docs I rewrote for typo/grammar misses etc.
[17:52] <minimal> blackboxsw: side-equestion - do the schemas in general take into account a requirement for some values to be quoted (so they *are* treated as strings, not numbers)?
[17:52] <minimal> thinking of values like dates where (from memory) they are treated as numeric equations (i.e. "-" as minus) unless quoted
[18:02] <blackboxsw> minimal: the JSON schema looks at the YAML type as it is interpreted. For dates specifically, we'd have to declare something like {"type": "string" "format": "date"} for our schema to allow without error.  Ultimately when YAML loads the date, it can accept things like `date: 2022-04-15` and yaml.safe_load turns it into the python dict `{"date": datetime.date(2032,  4, 15)}`
[18:03] <blackboxsw> it may have been an older version of YAML that bungled the date formatted strings
[18:04] <blackboxsw> but to answer your underlying question, JSON schema validation is on the content which has been interpreted by YAML during load I believe
[18:07] <minimal> blackboxsw: I'm thinking back to a MR I had merged maybe 12-18 months ago to fix some of the user-data examples including things like expiry date as they didn't work without quotes - so you think the quotes are no longer needed?
[18:10] <minimal> ah, here's the MR I'm thinking of: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/618
[18:10] <blackboxsw> minimal: and examples that have landed on every cloudinit/config/cc_* module are automatically run through validation by CI in our unittests per  https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/tests/unittests/config/test_schema.py#L401
[18:15] <blackboxsw> minimal: ahh right, so I just made the schema in this case specifically require a type: string https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1379/files#diff-c18cfd88ec0bd5f1077576fee00a0b2e87cf0b30aa547ad1eaacfd5742e4a757R27
[18:15] <blackboxsw> but hrm, maybe worth properly supporting a date type. Reviews comments welcome on my open PR here.
[18:16] <blackboxsw> minimal: though I might want to pull in that functionality in a separate PR as this one has gotten a lot bigger than I'd hoped
[18:16] <minimal> blackboxsw: no issue with it defining string, was just wanting to clarify if single quotes are therefore still needed in the YAML for it to be treated as a string
[18:16] <blackboxsw> so at the moment, schema will tell you you have to have a string
[18:18] <minimal> I guess my question is regarding implicit versus explicit strings in YAML
[18:19] <minimal> as I thought the underlying problem was the Python YAML lib used could misinterpret implicit strings like dates
[18:21] <falcojr> minimal: I think that's just a yaml problem more broadly
[18:22] <minimal> in other words will "expiredate: 2022-04-16" pass both the schema validation and be treated by the code as a date, or will it pass the schema validation but be treated by the code as a number, in which case the schema needs to enforce "expiredate: '2022-04-16'" instead
[18:23] <blackboxsw> minimal: sorry just dropped the laptop trying to paste that example.  Schema will warn about non string I. That case
[18:24] <minimal> blackboxsw: warn about non-string? or non-explicit-string?
[18:24] <blackboxsw> minimal https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WgscmSjkxg/
[18:25] <blackboxsw> yet quoted     `expiredate: "2024-10-04"  ` will pass without warnings
[18:26] <minimal> for that paste, is login for a Launchpad acct?
[18:26] <blackboxsw> bah
[18:26] <blackboxsw> pasting elsewhere
[18:27] <blackboxsw> minimal: 2nd try https://paste.opendev.org/show/bgROMPxKtqtahai5C6w0/
[18:28] <minimal> ok, that seems to answer my question. Thanks
[18:29] <blackboxsw> I do wonder if JSON schema can handle date discrete date types anyway, but as falcojr mentioned it's probably a JSON schema/YAML general prob to sort.
[18:29] <blackboxsw> I forsee that I'll spend some googling time today :)
[18:30] <holmanb> started in on ephemeraldhcp for v6 and one bugfix led to another and I guess I just refactored the networking code a bit: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1383
[18:30] <minimal> yeah YAML is a mess with its "magic detection" of types - remember the issue I'd raised again 18months or so ago about MAC address treatment lol
[18:30] <blackboxsw> heh true. I had forgotten about that.
[18:30] <blackboxsw> -> relocating for lunch
[18:31] <blackboxsw> nice fast work holmanb
[18:31] <minimal> blackboxsw: if you ever doing any future work on expiredate (and/or "inactive"), there's no testing in place for those (validating the numbers put into /etc/shadow fields) and I've never found the time to have a go at it myself
[18:32] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: don't get too excited, that's only bugfixes + refactorization ;) - no ephemeral work in that
[18:37] <holmanb> blackboxsw: I was just like "alright let's make is_ipv6_addr not so awful real quick", and after fixing it suddenly 125 tests were failing :/
[19:53] <blackboxsw> Thanks falcojr https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1379 landed.
[19:53] <falcojr> nice!
[19:53] <blackboxsw> knocked out a number of JIRA tickets with that given the 'enum' doc handling and 'hidden' key thank!
[19:53] <blackboxsw> thank you for the correct assessment of that schema crud in review
[19:56] <blackboxsw> falcojr: one minor PR for migrating legacy schema coming
[19:56] <blackboxsw> $ fgrep -r "schema =" cloudinit/config/cc_*
[19:56] <blackboxsw> cloudinit/config/cc_ntp.py:schema = {
[20:01] <holmanb> @falcojr: Thanks for the review, just landed https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1383 (tests passed after the spelling nit commit)
[20:47] <blackboxsw> minor followup to migrate ntp legacy schema https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1384
[20:48] <blackboxsw> ok hitting James' review now.
[21:47] <blackboxsw> falcojr: cc_* meta looks good I think minimally we want to filter docs out of `cloud-init devel schema --docs all` for those modules without JSON schema.
[21:47] <blackboxsw> otherwise big +1 on cleanup\
[21:47] <falcojr> TIL 'cloud-init devel schema --docs all' :D
[21:48] <falcojr> never realized you could get doc info on the cli
[21:48] <holmanb> :)
[21:48] <blackboxsw> yeah developer docs
[21:48] <blackboxsw> yeah it's been my saving grace while going through and reviewing and schema changes
[21:48] <blackboxsw> much faster than iterating through `tox -e doc`
[21:48] <blackboxsw> and visually comparing
[21:48] <falcojr> so I DIDN'T need to 'tox -e doc' a million times this whole time?
[21:49] <falcojr> ;)
[21:49] <blackboxsw> ha! well next time we rewrite the whole schema we can use it :)
[21:49] <falcojr> heh, just give it a couple more years
[21:49] <blackboxsw> #toosoon
[22:00] <holmanb> if we throw half of it away first it won't take so long on the rewrite :)
[22:07] <blackboxsw> getting to EOW holmanb but minor thought on ssh-import-id https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1334/files
[22:09] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: looking now
[22:10] <blackboxsw> sorry might want to refresh on latest comment
[22:10] <holmanb> +1: I assumed that's what you meant
[22:14] <holmanb> oh last comment, not updated suggested change, I see now
[22:16] <blackboxsw> ahh sorry will redact my suggested change in that first comment. as I think the latter is more appropriate given multiple entrypoints to ssh-import-id
[22:18] <holmanb> blackboxsw: np at all - at the rate that my own EOW is approaching, however, I think this is going to have to wait until monday to implement the second comment
[22:19] <blackboxsw> holmanb: totally get that. I'm about turning the lights off over her
[22:19] <blackboxsw> *here
[22:20] <blackboxsw> hey CloudCIX is going to look at implementing EphermealDHCP4 support for local timeframe IMDS detection... so that'll be good. that PR will likely idle to stale while they do that.
[22:21] <holmanb> I saw that, sounds good to me
[22:22] <holmanb> making some progress on EphemeralDHCP6 today, I grok it quite a bit more at least
[22:22] <holmanb> *made
[22:31] <blackboxsw> awesome, that'll help a few folks trying to spin up systems ipv6/dhcp6 only envs.
[22:34] <blackboxsw> for that ds-identify branch detected NoCloud in `/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg(.d/*)` I've got to run it through the paces with live-server installer ephemeral environment and make sure we don't get into a pickle with current implementation
[22:34] <blackboxsw> so, probably won't finish that review today