[00:16] <ronoc> TheMuso: hey !
[00:17] <ronoc> TheMuso, do you know why the hda intel after boot is  in mute state ?
[00:18] <TheMuso> ronoc: Does it happen every time for you?
[00:19] <ronoc> TheMuso, not every time
[00:33] <ronoc> TheMuso, yep it still happens
[00:36] <TheMuso> ronoc: Ok try this. Set volume to what suits, and log out. Go to a VT and make sure you have no pulseaudio processes running under your user. If you do, kill them. Then restart, and log back in, and check to see whether your volume is muted.
[00:36] <ronoc> TheMuso, brb
[00:36] <TheMuso> ok
[00:40] <robert_ancell> could someone confirm if they are still getting bug 621507?
[00:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621507 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "glib-compile-schemas fails if override files refer to non-installed schemas (affects: 46) (dups: 8) (heat: 232)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621507
[00:44] <ronoc> TheMuso, definitely a race conditon, random indeed
[00:44] <ronoc> need to crash TheMuso
[00:44] <TheMuso> ok
[00:44] <ronoc> good night
[00:44] <ronoc> TheMuso, ^
[00:44] <TheMuso> gnight.
[00:51] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, could you try that bug?  You just need to uninstall empathy and confirm that gcalctool still works
[00:51] <robert_ancell> (and have ubuntu-artwork installed at the same time)
[00:57] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: sure
[00:58] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: I purged empathy, and can still run gcalctool.
[00:58] <TheMuso> i.e just the empathy package.
[01:04] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, and ubuntu-artwork is installed?  Do you get a warning from apt about an override file referring to emapthy
[01:04] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Hang on, I haven't updated today. Let me do so and check again.
[01:12] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: I do get this when removing empathy.
[01:12] <TheMuso> Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0 ...
[01:12] <TheMuso> No such schema `org.gnome.Empathy.conversation' specified in override file `/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ubuntu-artwork.gschema.override', ignoringProcessing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
[01:12] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: no I don't get that error you speak of.
[01:13] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I also get that override message, and gcalctool still works for me after purging empathy.
[01:14] <robert_ancell> RAOF, TheMuso, thanks, someone is convinced in the bug report it's not fixed.  Just wanted to check I wan't crazy :)
[03:20] <nigelb> join #cakephp
[03:20] <nigelb> errr
[04:45] <TheMuso> RAOF: Seems the problem has been found WRT pulse muting audio etc etc. Its a race between whether pulse quits before the alsa stop process is run to store and mute levels. The shutdown sequence is too fast for its own good. :S
[04:46]  * TheMuso can't believe why he didn't think of it before.
[04:46] <RAOF> TheMuso: Awesome!
[04:47] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yeah, its just a matter of fixing it now.
[04:47] <TheMuso> In my mind, such things are a good case for the shutdown process to be linear.
[04:48] <TheMuso> Anyway, its only really because we have 2 systems arguing over volume control,'
[04:51] <RAOF> Hm.  When did gnome-display-properties break, and why?
[05:08] <RAOF> Ah.  Fixed in 1:2.31.91-0ubuntu2
[07:51]  * ara hugs kenvandine for fixing gwibber in Maverick
[08:03] <didrocks> good morning
[08:04] <glatzor> morning mvo
[08:04] <glatzor> mvo, could you upload a new version ohttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sessioninstaller/+bug/612140f sessioninstaller:
[08:04] <mvo> glatzor: !
[08:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 612140 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) "session-installer crashed with AttributeError in InstallPrinterDrivers() when setting up a printer (affects: 15) (dups: 3) (heat: 90)" [High,Fix committed]
[08:04]  * mvo hugs glatzor
[08:05]  * glatzor hugs mvo too
[08:05] <mvo> glatzor: sure, I'm happy to do the upload
[08:05] <glatzor> thanks
[08:05] <glatzor> mvo, but there isn't any way to map printer drivers to packages in Ubuntu yet?
[08:08] <mvo> glatzor: can't jockey help here?
[08:09] <glatzor> I will ask tkamppeter
[08:09] <mvo> glatzor: or pitti
[08:09] <glatzor> mvo, what happened to the software-updater project? It was removed from launchpad?
[08:10] <mvo> glatzor: no idea
[08:10] <mvo> glatzor: its and471 baby
[08:11] <tkamppeter> glatzor, movo: Note that pitti is on vacation until Sep 13.
[08:12] <glatzor> mvo, are there any further issues that you need to get addressed to in aptdaemon? I have got one day off today.
[08:14] <mvo> glatzor: no, I think aptdaemon is fine now (as far as I am concerned :)
[08:14] <mvo> glatzor: I will add simulate to the s-c next
[08:15] <mvo> glatzor: a release for final would be nice ;)
[08:16] <glatzor> mvo, do you want to have the UpdateCachePartially in for maverick?
[08:20] <mvo> glatzor: that would be cool, its not essential, but it seems like its a nice and very low risk feature
[08:20] <glatzor> mvo, ok I will merge it
[08:21] <mvo> thanks!
[08:41] <didrocks> woaw vish, touching old old bugs :)
[08:42] <vish> didrocks: hehe.. yeah.. apt bugday today :)
[08:42] <didrocks> vish: keep in mind that launchpad will be off for 3 hours this morning :)
[08:43] <vish> oh..!  its like the forced-typing breaks ;)
[08:43] <didrocks> heh, time to do more local testing! :-)
[08:44] <didrocks> vish: I'm fixing the "hide on close" for rhythmbox btw. I'm wondering if <control>w should do the same (hiding the app), instead of just minimizing it.
[08:45]  * vish looks at RB..
[08:48] <vish> odd! Ctrl+w in Lucid does nothing! but is in the menu as "Close"
[08:48] <vish> but in maverick, the menu item is not there but minimizes..
[08:48] <vish> didrocks: is it one of our indicator changes? [to minimize?]
[08:49] <didrocks> vish: no, it isn't, it's in the core rhythmbox in maverick
[08:49] <didrocks> vish: well, in any case, changing that to "hide", at close makes sense. will do that
[08:49] <vish> didrocks: weird, why they changed it.. but ctrl+w is sane  to "close"  yeah :)
[08:50] <didrocks> right :)
[08:54] <glatzor> mvo, what do you think about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/631619
[08:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631619 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Authentication dialog doesn't make sense when purchasing (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[08:55] <mvo> glatzor: here is one that is a bit odd https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/628823
[08:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 628823 in software-center (Ubuntu) "password request for proxy access everytime the install button is clicked (affects: 1) (heat: 583)" [Low,New]
[08:56] <mvo> glatzor: #631619> yeah, the dialog text should be different I guess, but how can this be archived?
[08:56] <mvo> glatzor: from aptdaemons POV its "add-repo, add-key, update, install"
[08:56] <glatzor> mvo, this is correct. in the discussion about the privileges reorganisation we decided to not allow any user to set a proxy per transaction by default.
[08:56] <mvo> glatzor: wasn't the idea to remember the priv though?
[08:57] <glatzor> mvo, pitti suggested that the system proxy settings should be used
[08:57] <mvo> ok, fair enough
[08:58] <glatzor> mvo, so the default policy for set-proxy is auth-admin
[08:58] <mvo> can we just use _keep?
[08:58] <glatzor> mvo, you should not set it in software-center at all
[08:58] <mvo> aha, ok
[08:59] <glatzor> :)
[08:59] <mvo> that is easy to fix ;)
[09:00] <seb128> hey there
[09:01] <glatzor> mvo, back to the install-purchased-privilege: s-c authenticates for the new privilege before calling add-repo, update-cache, and install-packages
[09:01] <glatzor> mvo, aptdaemon would check for install-purchased instead of e.g change-repositories in update-cache
[09:01] <bilalakhtar> seb128: You came at a time when LP is going down :(((((
[09:01] <mvo> glatzor: yeah, that is a good idea. maybe we can give it a generic name? install-from-new-repo?
[09:01] <seb128> bilalakhtar, I know about lp being down today
[09:01] <mvo> glatzor: unless you are fine with install-purchase
[09:02] <glatzor> mvo, install-purchased would allow to perform add-repo, updatecache(partially?) and installpackages
[09:02] <mvo> glatzor: or alternatively I can distro patch
[09:02] <seb128> bilalakhtar, it's done for 3 hours
[09:02] <mvo> glatzor: yep
[09:02] <didrocks> salut seb128
[09:02] <bilalakhtar> seb128: :(
[09:02] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:02] <seb128> quick session restart after upgrades brb
[09:05] <glatzor> mvo, in the end we would need two privileges, I would like to add a generic install-packages-from-new-repo, and I am ok with an additional install-purchased-packages too to cover the canonical case
[09:06] <mvo> glatzor: ok, that sounds like a plan
[09:06] <glatzor> install-packages-from-new-repo would e.g. apply for installing codecs
[09:06]  * mvo nods
[09:07] <mvo> aha, launchpad down
[09:07] <seb128> re
[09:07] <glatzor> mvo, perhaps juliank will rip out the privilege in Debian but that is ok too
[09:07] <seb128> mvo, yes for 3 hours...
[09:07] <mvo> 3h ?
[09:07] <glatzor> :(
[09:07] <mvo> and I can't bzr commit in that time?
[09:07] <seb128> mvo, yes, they do server updates
[09:07] <seb128> mvo, you can locally I guess
[09:07] <seb128> mvo, you can't pull or push though
[09:07] <bilalakhtar> Code hosting should be up, mvo
[09:07] <bilalakhtar> seb128: ^^
[09:08] <seb128> weird
[09:08] <seb128> usually that goes down as well
[09:08] <bilalakhtar> since it was updated recently
[09:08] <seb128> especially on server updates
[09:08] <seb128> hum, ok
[09:08] <mvo> readonly ?
[09:08] <seb128> bilalakhtar, thanks
[09:08] <mvo> I just tried to commit with no luck
[09:08] <seb128> mvo, it's down for 1.5h
[09:08] <bilalakhtar> seb128: crowberry was upgraded a week ago
[09:08] <seb128> then readonly for 1.5hour
[09:08] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[09:09] <didrocks> hey seb128
[09:09] <seb128> how are you?
[09:09] <seb128> robert_ancell, there?
[09:09] <didrocks> I'm fine thanks, just had the time to do my morning tasks before launchpad is down :)
[09:09] <didrocks> last comment 3 minutes before it stopped! just in time :)
[09:09] <didrocks> and you?
[09:10] <mvo> tetrinet anyone ?
[09:10] <seb128> mvo, ;-)
[09:10] <mvo> (just kidding)
[09:10] <didrocks> mvo: ahah
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, I'm fine, will be a boring morning without launchpad
[09:10] <didrocks> right…
[09:10] <mvo> didrocks: lol - the french style !
[09:11] <mvo> glatzor: I removed the proxy stuff
[09:11] <mvo> glatzor: let me know when the other bits land, I will add the code in s-c then :)
[09:12] <mvo> dpm: I had to add a new string to s-c to fix a bug (rather important one) - I need to mail ubuntu-translators and applogize, right ?
[09:12] <seb128> robert_ancell, stop hidding ;-)
[09:13] <mvo> aha, robert_ancell - is vte fixed ? 91_keep_fds ;) ?
[09:13] <mvo> hrm, hrm, bzr pull does not work for me, 503
[09:14] <robert_ancell> mvo, I uploaded it, the patch was tricky to apply.  It appears to work, but please review
[09:14] <seb128> lol
[09:14] <seb128> he's there, just ignore me!
[09:14] <dpm> mvo, yes, and after apologizing, you should ask them if they ever let you code for Ubuntu again :P
[09:14] <dpm> mvo, now more seriously, if the fix is for an important bug, or if it makes strings translatable that they weren't again, simply send a notification e-mail. But before that, which bug was it?
[09:15] <seb128> robert_ancell, hello there, how are you doing?
[09:15] <seb128> robert_ancell, tomorrow is your last day for this cycle? do you have any remaining task?
[09:16]  * didrocks understands know the /ignore yesterday :p
[09:16] <mvo> dpm: it was bug #554319 - there was no check and no message if installing a new app caused the removal of a existing one
[09:17] <ubot2> mvo: Bug 554319 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/554319 is private
[09:17] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, I'm avoiding taking on anything too big :)  I'm just uploading the latest cdrdao, which is the last important bug in my queue
[09:17] <seb128> robert_ancell, nice
[09:17] <mvo> robert_ancell: excellent, thank you very much! I will test/review shortly
[09:18] <mvo> robert_ancell: next cycle I can look into adding the needed bits to pyhton-vte to make the patch unneeded, that is going to be much cleaner then
[09:18] <seb128> robert_ancell, what do you plan for tomorrow? should I still try to find you some bugs to work on?
[09:18] <robert_ancell> mvo, sorry about that, I thought that upstream had fixed it in a different way.  The code changed a lot there and there was something in the NEWS that indicated they'd fixed something there
[09:18] <seb128> robert_ancell, we didn't do a great job at listing bugs for the release this cycle
[09:18] <seb128> robert_ancell, I've tried to assign you enough to let you pick some and keep busy
[09:18] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, point me at some stuff, I'll pick some quick ones if I can
[09:19] <seb128> not sure I picked right though ;-)
[09:19] <mvo> robert_ancell: yeah, with the C api its all fine, but it seems to be not yet possible with pyhon, a simple-matter-of-programming, I'm sure, but for N :)
[09:19] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, I will assign you a bunch of things do those you feel like being able to do
[09:20] <seb128> didrocks, I don't know if that's due to you bug evo is a piece of crap for some days there
[09:20] <didrocks> seb128: really? I don't have any crash there
[09:21] <seb128> it sometime stop doing anything
[09:21] <didrocks> seb128: do you think it's because of 2.30.3?
[09:21] <seb128> like stay on fetching email for ever
[09:21] <seb128> and closing it doesn't work it hangs as well
[09:21] <seb128> well I didn't have any issue like this in a while
[09:21] <seb128> but I've to kill it like 10 times a day since this week
[09:22] <didrocks> hum, I just updated the stack to 2.30.3 and redo the express patch…
[09:22] <didrocks> oh that's bad
[09:22] <seb128> I was mentionning it in case you noticed something
[09:22] <seb128> I will talk with the upstream guys
[09:22] <didrocks> no, I have nothing like that :/
[09:22] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh, what do you think about bug 494311 - it looks like a patch we are carrying on rdesktop breaks a caps lock and numpad in a lot of cases.  There are a lot of calls to remove the patch (debian etc are not carrying it).  I don't know enough to make a good call - the patch has definitely caused a regression, but removing it may cause problems for people using multiple keyboard layouts (which was the reason for the patch
[09:22] <robert_ancell>  in the first place I think)
[09:22] <ubot2> robert_ancell: Bug 494311 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/494311 is private
[09:22] <didrocks> I got one crash since the update and evo is running 10 hours a day there…
[09:23] <robert_ancell> ubot2, you lie, you are just offline!
[09:23] <ubot2> robert_ancell: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[09:23] <seb128> bug 494311
[09:23] <ubot2> seb128: Bug 494311 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/494311 is private
[09:23] <seb128> stupid bot
[09:23] <robert_ancell> LP just went offline
[09:24] <seb128> ok
[09:24] <seb128> what was the purpose of the change to start?
[09:24] <robert_ancell> My feeling is we do remove it, because there are a lot of complaints about it, and no-one else has the patch
[09:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, bug 251709
[09:25] <ubot2> robert_ancell: Bug 251709 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/251709 is private
[09:25] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, do it
[09:25] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw did you try your pitivi update?
[09:25] <dpm> mvo, it should be fine to just send a short notification message mentioning the bug and the new strings. Thanks!
[09:25] <seb128> robert_ancell, you should really start testing or running at least things once before uploading
[09:25] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, problem?
[09:25] <seb128> like one of the updates you did this week didn't ship the gsetting schemas
[09:26] <seb128> which means crashed on start
[09:26] <seb128> robert_ancell, not sure I will need to check, slomo and #pitivi guys pinged me about it this week
[09:26] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh, which one was that?
[09:26] <seb128> robert_ancell, it apparently requires some gstreamer changes which are not in the current version
[09:26] <seb128> I'm not sure how it would show up though
[09:27] <robert_ancell> oh, it loaded fine and played a video I imported
[09:27] <seb128> slomo, there?
[09:27] <seb128> robert_ancell, gnome-bt it was I think
[09:27] <seb128> which didn't have its gsettings schemas
[09:29] <robert_ancell> sorry
[09:29] <seb128> no worry, you get a lot done and it's ok to have some glitch in unstable cycles
[09:29] <robert_ancell> cdrdao doesn't want to compile :(  No upload today
[09:30] <seb128> you used the debian version for the update?
[09:30] <seb128> well maybe tomorrow then ;-)
[09:30] <seb128> let me your work in progress tomorrow before leaving if you don't finish it
[09:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, yeah, we have one patch for arm
[09:30] <robert_ancell> sure
[09:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, was there anything left on your list?
[09:30] <seb128> or things I should take care of?
[09:30] <robert_ancell> for maverick?
[09:30] <seb128> not sure if we will catch up tomorrow or not
[09:31] <seb128> yes
[09:31] <seb128> I will do the shotwell update when they roll it
[09:31] <seb128> did you still want to get the new anjuta in?
[09:31] <robert_ancell> nothing from me
[09:31] <seb128> was that blocked on somebody to help on the issue you had?
[09:31] <seb128> sorry I didn't really manage to take time for that one
[09:32] <robert_ancell> seb128, I haven't filed a bug on it, it only occurs when builddir != srcdir.  There were a number of similar issues which I provided patches for so I don't think upstream builds like that.  I'm confused to what's happening, I'll file a bug tomorrow with what I know
[09:32] <robert_ancell> it's a GIR dependency issue or something
[09:32] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok
[09:33] <seb128> why does anjuta needs gir?
[09:33] <robert_ancell> I think it uses it for autocompletion?  But I'm not sure.
[09:33] <slomo> seb128: yes
[09:33] <seb128> slomo, was there any issue with the new pitivi and our current gst version?
[09:34] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, is your work in progress in the vcs?
[09:34] <robert_ancell> seb128, yes, in +junk
[09:34] <slomo> seb128: a small one, yes. but that was broken before too, just a bit different
[09:35] <slomo> seb128: to get that working you only need some changes in gst-plugins-base
[09:35] <robert_ancell> seb128, is pitivi crashing for you now?
[09:35] <seb128> slomo, so there is no problem doing the update?
[09:35] <slomo> seb128: apart from that the pitivi guys made sure that everything works with the versions in maverick
[09:35] <slomo> seb128: no
[09:35] <seb128> ok thanks
[09:35] <slomo> robert_ancell: does it crash for you? do you have python-gi installed?
[09:35] <seb128> robert_ancell, no, I was just double checking
[09:36] <robert_ancell> seb128, you're just messing with me!! :)
[09:36] <seb128> since they asked if we could get some gstreamer changes in for it
[09:36] <slomo> seb128: you might want to sync gnonlin too then, it only contains bugfixes but they will improve pitivi in a few places
[09:36] <robert_ancell> slomo, no, loaded and played a video for me
[09:36] <slomo> robert_ancell: ok, good. for me it always crashes if python-gi is installed but that's happening since a long time now already :)
[09:37] <slomo> seb128: if you want i can give you the -base commits btw
[09:37] <seb128> slomo, what would it change?
[09:37] <robert_ancell> ok, gtg, see you guys in 4 weeks!
[09:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, or tomorrow ;-)
[09:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, have fun, enjoy your holidays!
[09:37] <robert_ancell> seb128, are you getting up early? ;)
[09:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, not especially
[09:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, but I might be up late
[09:37] <seb128> robert_ancell, it catch you on your day start
[09:37] <robert_ancell> heh
[09:37] <seb128> it -> ie
[09:37] <robert_ancell> and give me one last whipping :)
[09:38] <seb128> I'm on holidays next week as well
[09:38] <seb128> and I want to finish some things today and tomorrow
[09:38] <seb128> right ;-)
[09:38] <slomo> seb128: gnonlin or the -base commits?
[09:39] <seb128> the base commits
[09:39] <seb128> I will do the gnonlin sync on debian
[09:39] <seb128> I'm not sure if we should do the base change though
[09:40] <slomo> seb128: it adds a property to videoscale to add black borders if necessary to keep the display aspect ratio. without this you need to make sure that the width/height in the project settings is correct... or it will be slow and/or squeeze the video a bit :)
[09:42] <slomo> seb128: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-base/log/gst/videoscale/gstvideoscale.c   the 2010-07-18/19 commits and the 2010-08-11 commit
[09:43] <slomo> seb128: not really small changes though... but fairly trivial
[09:46] <seb128> slomo, thanks
[09:46] <seb128> non trivial change
[09:46] <seb128> that will probably be for next cycle
[09:48] <slomo> ok
[09:50] <slomo> seb128: those changes are not doing anything usually btw... you have to explicitely set a property to go through most of the new code paths ;)
[09:51] <seb128> if you want to backport them you are welcome ;-)
[09:51] <seb128> I might have a go to it
[09:51] <seb128> but it's low priority on my list and I'm on holidays start next week
[09:51] <seb128> with lot of other things to do
[09:51] <slomo> ok, i was planning to add them to the debian package anyway
[09:51] <seb128> but if somebody wants to pick up the task ;-)
[09:51] <seb128> slomo, great, I will sync if you do that ;-)
[09:51] <seb128> thanks!
[09:52] <slomo> seb128: ok, i'll tell you when it's uploaded :)
[09:53] <seb128> thanks
[09:54] <didrocks> seb128: do you think you will have some time today (when launchpad will be online again) to ack the syncs for ldb, tevent, samba4? (openchange has been already done by cjwatson). I'll be able to point you to the bug reports
[09:54] <didrocks> the latest ldb avoid a new dep on tdb (which is in main)
[09:55] <didrocks> all are in universe and mostly used by samba4/openchange
[09:55] <didrocks> this will enable me to update evolution-mapi to 2.30 (merge from debian) to get it working
[09:58] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[09:58] <lucidfox> Where can I file bugs about wording on releases.ubuntu.com?
[09:58] <didrocks> seb128: thanks :)
[10:02] <jpds> lucidfox: ubuntu-cdimage
[10:03] <lucidfox> danke
[10:03] <jpds> Bitte.
[10:04] <Laney> schön
[10:05] <jpds> Laney: Du kannst schön sein.
[10:07] <kamstrup> seb128, the latest vala package can not compile unity... did you include the patch I made to fix this?
[10:07] <seb128> kamstrup, no
[10:08] <seb128> kamstrup, the patch you did was pointing to a bugzilla bug which is closed and where you said it's fixed since 0.9.4
[10:08] <seb128> so I figured since I had no testcase and you said that was fixed that the patch was not useful and a leftover
[10:08] <kamstrup> seb128, oh, crap, right... it was because the test case I had for the bug was fixed, but it still botches it on Unity
[10:09] <kamstrup> seb128, I couldn't figure what the difference between my test case and the unity code is
[10:09] <kamstrup> but apparently there is some difference :-)
[10:09] <seb128> ok
[10:09] <seb128> I will add it back
[10:09] <seb128> could you open a bug upstream though?
[10:09] <kamstrup> thanks - sorry for the mess
[10:09] <kamstrup> seb128, sure thing
[10:09] <seb128> np, sorry for creating issues
[10:09] <seb128> I should have pinged before
[10:09] <seb128> but I figured that we would notice and add back if it was required
[10:09] <seb128> there we are ;-)
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:10] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[10:10] <seb128> chrisccoulson, nice work on the gcc bug!
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[10:10] <seb128> I'm fine
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[10:10] <seb128> I figure what was breaking my screen
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> oh, what was it?
[10:11] <seb128> ie for a week when starting my laptop docked with lid closed the monitor is off as well
[10:11] <seb128> it's the g-s-d update
[10:11] <seb128> I've downgraded to 2.30 and it works
[10:11] <seb128> now I need to figure what commit broke it
[10:11] <seb128> or first to check the recent changes federico added to trunk
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that should be a bit easier now hopefully :)
[10:12] <seb128> and see if that's still an issue
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> i should try it here too, but having the lid closed isn't a configuration i usually use
[10:12] <seb128> you use 2 screens?
[10:12] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i use 2 screens when docked
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[10:13] <kamstrup> seb128, reopened with a comment
[10:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks!
[10:13] <seb128> kamstrup, thanks
[10:14] <dpm> hey mvo, do you know where the strings shown during installation on these screenshots come from ("Copying files", "Retrieving blah, blah...") ? They are all untranslated, and I'm wondering if they come from aptdaemon and if that is indeed a bug or aptdaemon just needs to fetch translations from LP:
[10:14] <dpm> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/screenshots/installation-6.png
[10:14] <dpm> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/screenshots/installation-10.png
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, having no launchpad is a pain :(
[10:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[10:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are you btw? ;-)
[10:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah :-(
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i'm good thanks
[10:15] <mvo> dpm: that comes from python-apt/libapt
[10:15] <chrisccoulson> i guess i should go and grab some coffee whilst there's no launchpad
[10:16] <mvo> dpm: I *think*, I'm not much of a installer-hacker
[10:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that's a lot of coffee it's still down for 15minutes then in readonly for 1h30
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> i suppose read only isn't so bad, as long as i can get read access to my branches
[10:18] <seb128> I'm not sure you can pull during readonly
[10:18] <dpm> mvo, ok, thanks, I'll check the python-apt/libapt templates once LP is back. Do you think this could be plausible? I.e. that the packages only need to fetch translations, rather than a bug? Do you usually fetch translations for them?
[10:18] <seb128> I think readonly means web readonly
[10:19] <didrocks> dpm: the ubuntuone email in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/UbuntuOneEmail isn't the same than the one is the patch
[10:20] <dpm> didrocks, don't tell me the ubuntuone guys have changed it :(
[10:20] <dpm> that's the one Matt Griffin sent me
[10:21] <didrocks> dpm: at least, I see different stenza organization, and one additional sentence
[10:21] <didrocks> rodrigo_: when you will be there, can you check? (your evolution ubuntuone email isn't the same than in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/UbuntuOneEmail)
[10:22] <dpm> didrocks, we'll just either break translations or piss translators off if we change it now. Let me send an e-mail to Matt and CC you. Can you give me a diff?
[10:22] <rodrigo_> didrocks, hmm, ok, let me see
[10:22] <didrocks> dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/490846/
[10:23] <didrocks> dpm: the organization isn't the same (not a big deal, I think)
[10:23] <didrocks> but at least, we have:
[10:23] <didrocks> +Evolution is better with Ubuntu One - the personal cloud that brings
[10:23] <didrocks> +your digital life together.
[10:23] <didrocks> rodrigo_: you will be in charge of adding l10n too, right? (refreshing the page)
[10:23] <seb128> didrocks, dpm: well we can just include the wiki translations even if they don't match the english text
[10:23] <seb128> don't match perfectly the english text
[10:24] <rodrigo_> didrocks, we decided not to add the intltool stuff this cycle
[10:24] <rodrigo_> didrocks, I am going to send it upstreamfor next gnome cycle
[10:24] <didrocks> rodrigo_: not adding the intltool stuff, just merging languages
[10:24] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, it still makes sense
[10:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, right, we decided to collect all the translations and add them in the patch for this cycle rather
[10:24] <rodrigo_> didrocks, ah, and what am I supposed to do?
[10:24] <dpm> didrocks, which are exactly the differences though? IIRC, the sentence you are mentioning is already in the message in the wiki
[10:25] <rodrigo_> oh, LP is off
[10:25] <didrocks> dpm: "Ubuntu One does more than sync your files - whether you need to…"
[10:25] <didrocks> dpm: I don't find that in the wiki page
[10:26] <didrocks> rodrigo_: taking the translation in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Wanted/UbuntuOneEmail/ and adding them to the patch, I guess
[10:26] <seb128> didrocks, that's different from what you copied before
[10:27] <rodrigo_> didrocks, ok
[10:27] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, because I found the other sentence finally in the wiki too, not easy to make a diff there
[10:27] <didrocks> but I don't find this one
[10:27] <ronoc> bl8: hey
[10:28] <dpm> didrocks, I'm a bit lost to what the differences are now.  Tried to ping Bertrand yesterday but he is not there
[10:34] <rodrigo_> didrocks, cool, thanks
[10:35] <huats> hello seb128
[10:35] <didrocks> seb128: ubuntuone music store has an issue which should be fixed today
[10:35] <seb128> didrocks, he just said hey there ;-)
[10:35] <didrocks> argh :/
[10:35] <didrocks> I pinged him twice!
[10:35] <didrocks> ok, so he is just ignoring me ;)
[10:35] <seb128> didrocks, well he seems to not say a lot out of hey :p
[10:36] <rodrigo_> seb128, any idea how to enable debugging in nautilus? I have several g_debug calls that never show up, and seems it's because it's just redirecting them somewhere
[10:36] <didrocks> and other little issues people are signaling
[10:36] <didrocks> seb128: so mainly, I think that banshee isn't for this cycle
[10:36] <didrocks> that's bad seeing the amount of work done there and in upstream, but it's not lost
[10:37] <dpm> seb128, didrocks, rodrigo_, I'm fine with the suggestion of using the new English text but leaving translations as they are. It's a bit messy to organize translations on the wiki, and changes are really going to piss translators off at this point
[10:37] <didrocks> dpm: I agree, what was added is small
[10:37] <didrocks> rodrigo_: can you roll a patch with translations? I'll update evo then
[10:38] <didrocks> seb128: what we can do is syncing early in Natty cycle
[10:38] <seb128> rodrigo_, let me check I just g_print usually when doing hacking ;-)
[10:38] <vish> does anyone have a good metaphor for the Lisp category in SC?
[10:38]  * vish can think of a good way to represent it,.. :(
[10:38] <seb128> didrocks, well we still want to get it working in maverick
[10:38] <vish> cant*
[10:39] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, the sound indicator is a must, other bugs can live with it, not as default, but it's getting fixed
[10:39] <rodrigo_> seb128, right, g_print works, but I'd like to leave the g_debug calls
[10:39] <dpm> didrocks, rodrigo_, I'd still like to give time to translators until NonLanguagePackDeadline as we agreed, so I'll be pinging you to fetch any new translations and put them in the package just before that date, if that's ok with you
[10:39] <didrocks> seb128: and new release today or tomorrow IIRC
[10:39] <rodrigo_> dpm, yes, perfect
[10:39] <didrocks> thanks rodrigo_, dpm
[10:39] <seb128> rodrigo_, check nautilus-debug-log.txt
[10:40] <dpm> thanks rodrigo_, didrocks :)
[10:41] <rodrigo_> seb128, where is that file?
[10:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, that's what the log handle write in the code
[10:43] <bl8> didrocks: Sorry, missed your pings. I'm not ignoring you, I'm looking into the sound indicator issue, although it works fine with me
[10:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, still checking you might need to set G_DEBUG or something
[10:43] <didrocks> bl8: no worry, was jocking about the joking :-) it's not working there, if you need any debug info, do not hesitate
[10:45] <didrocks> ignore*
[10:46]  * didrocks should avoid too much parralelization those days… to many word switchs
[10:59] <mpt> didrocks, hi, Mark suggested I bug you about why Unity isn't launching for me
[10:59] <mpt> I installed it, and it's the default in the session menu in the login screen, but when I log in I still get gnome-panel.
[10:59] <didrocks> mpt: sure, what's the issue you get?
[10:59] <mpt> ^^
[11:00] <didrocks> hum, did you save your session, by any chance?
[11:03] <didrocks> mpt: ? ^^
[11:04] <mpt> didrocks, I don't know what that means. (I know the logout dialog used to have a "Save session" checkbox, but I haven't seen it in years.)
[11:04] <bl8> ronoc: Does the sound indicator store data anywhere else than ~/.cache/indicators/sound/familiar-players-db.keyfile ? I'm trying to go back to a clean state
[11:04] <didrocks> mpt: yes, but maybe you still have a save session somewhere, can you look at ~/.gnome2/session?
[11:05] <mpt> didrocks, No such file or directory
[11:05] <didrocks> hum… I'm also sure it's related to that
[11:06] <didrocks> mpt: when you log in your UNE session
[11:06] <mpt> which I am right now
[11:07] <didrocks> mpt: can you launch a terminal and $ gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components_list
[11:08] <didrocks> mpt: and env | grep SESSION
[11:08] <mpt> hm, I seem to have no clipboard
[11:09] <mpt> didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/490872/
[11:10] <seb128> re
[11:10] <seb128> some days I hate linux
[11:10] <seb128> gnome-session crashed because I moved the nautilus binary I guess
[11:11] <seb128> it was trying to restart it since it's in autorestart on
[11:11] <didrocks> mpt: ok and now gcontool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager && gcontool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/panel
[11:11] <didrocks> re seb128
[11:11] <seb128> then linux crashed because of the vt change
[11:11] <didrocks> urgh :/
[11:11] <seb128> then I restarted and got the no active screen issue again thanks to gsd
[11:12] <mpt> Ah, I do have a clipboard, it's just that xchat has forgotten how to copy things
[11:12] <didrocks> teach xchat that again :)
[11:13] <mpt> 11:11:06@~> gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager && gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/panel
[11:13] <mpt> mutter
[11:13] <mpt> ''
[11:13] <didrocks> ok, sounds good
[11:13] <didrocks> so ls ~/.config/gnome-session/saved-session
[11:13] <mpt> didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/490874/
[11:14] <didrocks> ahah! so you saved your session :)
[11:14] <didrocks> (or still saving, I don't know)
[11:14] <didrocks> so, remove all the content of the directory
[11:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, send a SIGUSR1 to nautilus
[11:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, it will write the log file
[11:15] <rodrigo_> ah
[11:15] <rodrigo_> seb128, thanks for looking! :)
[11:15] <seb128> np
[11:15] <didrocks> mpt: then gnome-session-properties, tab 'option' and check that "save session" checkbox is unchecked
[11:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, in fact those seems to be for nautilus_debug_log() calls
[11:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, I guess hack src/nautilus-main.c and remove the handler ;-)
[11:17] <rodrigo_> right, I guess g_debug is not included
[11:17] <rodrigo_> testing...
[11:18] <ronoc> bl8: yep that is the only place
[11:19] <bl8> ronoc: Can I get some logs of what the sound indicator is doing ?
[11:21] <ronoc> bl8: its the service that will flag if the app registers or not, best thing to do would be to check out trunk
[11:21] <slomo> seb128: uploaded
[11:22] <seb128> slomo, thanks
[11:22] <ronoc> in sound-service.c, comment line 44 and 45, compile and run ./src/indicator-sound-service
[11:22] <ronoc> bl8: make sure all other sound-services are killed before running your own
[11:23] <ronoc> bl8,
[11:23] <ronoc> you can then see for sure if anything attempt at registering was made by banshee
[11:23] <mpt> didrocks, there is no "Save session" checkbox, but there is a checked "Automatically remember running applications when logging out" checkbox. Should I uncheck that?
[11:23] <didrocks> mpt: yeah, I tried to translate without launching with LANG=C. It's that one, right. uncheck it
[11:24] <ronoc> bl8, I did this yesterday and did not see any noise from banshee,
[11:24] <didrocks> mpt: so once that + remove the context of the saved-session directory are removed, you can logout/login again
[11:24] <didrocks> s/are removed/is done/
[11:25] <rodrigo_> didrocks, I am bit busy right now with some other urgent stuff, so before I forget, can you file a bug for the evo mail iussue and assign it to me?
[11:25] <rodrigo_> didrocks, please :-)
[11:25] <didrocks> rodrigo_: sure, will do that! thanks :-)
[11:25] <didrocks> rodrigo_: in any case, dpm will ping you one all translations are there
[11:25] <rodrigo_> didrocks, cool, thanks
[11:25] <rodrigo_> ok
[11:26] <mpt> didrocks, ok, I'll try that as soon as I've finished reporting a couple of bugs :-)
[11:26] <didrocks> mpt: sure, keep me in touch :)
[11:26] <rodrigo_> didrocks, can you merge ubuntu-desktop/* branches?
[11:27] <didrocks> rodrigo_: yeah, do you have something I have to merge?
[11:27] <rodrigo_> didrocks, yes, 2 branches: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/tomboy/fix-dllmap and https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/evolution-couchdb/0_5_0_release
[11:27] <rodrigo_> didrocks, the packages are already in the archive, so they just need merging
[11:28] <didrocks> rodrigo_: ok, will do it in few minutes
[11:28] <rodrigo_> didrocks, no hurry, so do it when possible, just want to avoid having someone upload an upgrade without those changes
[11:28] <rodrigo_> didrocks, thanks
[11:28] <didrocks> rodrigo_: you're welcome
[11:30] <didrocks> mpt: OneConf typo fixed btw
[11:38] <bl8> ronoc: Also works with latest indicator trunk. Please test with the new .dll I posted on the bug
[11:39] <mpt> didrocks, still no Unity
[11:41] <didrocks> mpt: still panel?
[11:41] <didrocks> still *a* panel
[11:41] <didrocks> ls ~/.config/gnome-session/saved-session give you an empty directory, right?
[11:41] <didrocks> gives*
[11:43] <mpt> didrocks, gnome-panel specifically :-)
[11:44] <mpt> didrocks, no, that directory contains the same six items it did before
[11:46] <didrocks> mpt: hum? weird, maybe when you unchecked the preference dialog it recreated it
[11:46] <didrocks> mpt: so, ensure the "Automatically remember running applications when logging out" is unchecked
[11:46] <mpt> didrocks, yes, it's unchecked
[11:46] <didrocks> mpt: and remove the content of the directory
[11:46] <mpt> Is that an order? :-)
[11:47] <didrocks> mpt: depends if you want unity running :-)
[11:47] <mpt> (or a description of what it's supposed to do)
[11:47] <chrisccoulson> it's a known bug that unchecking that checkbox doesn't restore the default session (ie, clear the contents of saved-session)
[11:47] <didrocks> it's a description of course :)
[11:47] <mpt> Once more unto the breach, dear friends
[11:47] <didrocks> mpt: it's just lost in translation like "File" which is a noun in French :p
[11:48] <mpt> Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunity
[11:48] <mpt> thanks didrocks
[11:48] <didrocks> mpt: you're welcome :)
[11:49] <didrocks> I still wonder why oh why gnome-session-save is saving the panel…
[11:49] <didrocks> and what's the good way to avoid that and clean people saving their session
[11:52] <mpt> Something's gone badly wrong now
[11:52] <mpt> apport doesn't know the package for any of the things that are crashing
[11:52] <mpt> I guess that's not related to Unity, though
[11:56] <didrocks> mpt: it doesn't say it's coming from mutter?
[11:56] <mpt> No, e.g. Ubuntu Software Center crashed and apport said "I don't know what package this is"
[11:57] <slomo> seb128: the gst-plugin-scanner crash: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624592
[11:57] <didrocks> hum, weird, didn't get that one
[11:57] <ubot2> Gnome bug 624592 in gst-python "gst-python: plugin: attempt to load plugin "python" fails with KeyError" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
[11:57] <seb128> slomo, thanks
[11:57] <seb128> sorry I did some gsd testing
[11:58] <seb128> lunch now, bbl
[11:58] <slomo> seb128: i'll upload a new gst-python to debian later with that patch, i only need some testing feedback first :)
[11:58] <seb128> I will test after lunch
[11:58] <seb128> thanks!
[11:58] <slomo> already found someone to test it :)
[12:02] <ronoc> bl8: works with the new dll
[12:04] <bl8> ronoc: Sweet, must have been a preference mix-up then
[12:05] <ronoc> bl8, yeah when I copied over the new dll and ran banshee the sound menu option was unchecked. checked, restarted and bingo
[12:06] <ronoc> bl8: thx, will get around to that bug in todays release
[12:13] <slomo> seb128: yes, works... please sync gst0.10-python 0.10.19-2 from debian/unstable later :)
[12:13] <slomo> it only contains this single patc
[12:16] <kenvandine> ara, working better for you now?
[12:18] <ara> kenvandine, yes, thanks!
[12:18] <kenvandine> excellent!
[12:18] <kenvandine> i fixed quite a few bugs with last nights upload :)
[12:39] <seb128> slomo, ok, will do
[12:39] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[12:39] <seb128> the man who never sleep
[12:40] <vish> seb128: could you update Humanity from :  lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release  ? it has a few changes design team dint like and a few icons for SC
[12:40] <seb128> vish, ok
[12:40] <vish> minor only.. ;)
[12:40] <vish> seb128: thanks :)
[12:40] <seb128> you're welcome
[12:40] <seb128> session restart and I'm back
[12:48] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, around?
[13:10] <seb128> re
[13:10] <seb128> ok, enough g-s-d testing for today
[13:10] <seb128> intel drivers keep crashing my box
[13:10] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[13:17] <dpm> rodrigo_, I've filed bug 633972 as we discussed this morning. I cannot actually assign it to you, as LP tells me we're not in any same team. Could you please assign it to yourself? Thanks!
[13:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633972 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Fetch the Ubuntu One e-mail translations and integrate them into the package (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633972
[13:19] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for the rhythmbox update
[13:19] <didrocks> seb128: you're welcome
[13:19] <seb128> didrocks, that doesn't match the spec though? will you do another iteration?
[13:19] <seb128> it's a nice start though and enough for this cycle I think
[13:20] <didrocks> seb128: oh really? maybe I misunderstood then
[13:20]  * didrocks opens the bug again
[13:20] <didrocks> " I believe
[13:20] <didrocks> it should minimize to the indicator applet/thing."
[13:21] <seb128> dpm, didrocks opened one
[13:21] <seb128> dpm, he assigned it to rodrigo
[13:21] <didrocks> oh ok
[13:21] <didrocks> seb128: reading mpt comment now
[13:21] <didrocks> seb128: ok, fixing for that, shouldn't be hard
[13:21] <seb128> didrocks, yeah sorry, I was going to comment
[13:21] <seb128> it should exit if it's not doing anything or hide otherwise
[13:22] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[13:22] <dpm> didrocks, ah, ok so could you give me the bug #, so I'll mark mine as duplicate?
[13:22] <seb128> didrocks, well your way already give a way to do each, hide or exit
[13:22] <seb128> so it's probably enough for most users
[13:22] <seb128> still would be nice to do the smart thing ;-)
[13:23] <didrocks> seb128: I think the smart thing isn't too complicated to do. I'll hunt for that a little :)
[13:23] <seb128> thanks
[13:23] <didrocks> seb128: not sure about "saving the state", that's another issue for me
[13:23] <didrocks> yw :)
[13:23] <didrocks> dpm: one second, looking
[13:23] <seb128> didrocks, don't bother with that
[13:23] <seb128> state would be what song is being played etc
[13:24] <seb128> it's a different topic and probably not trivial
[13:24] <didrocks> yeah, I figured that, but it's more intrusive change
[13:24] <didrocks> right
[13:25] <didrocks> dpm: bug #633923
[13:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633923 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Merge translation for default ubuntuone email (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633923
[13:25] <dpm> ok, thanks didrocks
[13:25] <didrocks> yw
[13:28] <seb128> didrocks, seems cjwatson beat me at syncing ;-)
[13:28] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, too slow :p
[13:28] <didrocks> seb128: I've the evo-mapi merge ready, just want to testbuild it, waiting for the packages to be published
[13:28] <didrocks> seb128: thanks nonetheless :-)
[13:29] <seb128> bug #630886
[13:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 630886 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus crashes when browsing /var/log (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/630886
[13:30] <seb128> pedro__, ^
[13:30] <seb128> retraced!!!
[13:30] <seb128> didrocks, you're welcome ;-)
[13:31] <pedro__> !!!
[13:32] <seb128> bug #622716
[13:32] <ubot2> seb128: Bug 622716 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/622716 is private
[13:32] <pedro__> the retracers are working again?
[13:32] <seb128> it stands
[13:32] <seb128> pedro__, yes!
[13:32] <pedro__> WOOO!!!
[13:32] <seb128> ;-)
[13:32]  * pedro__ hugs seb128
[13:32] <seb128> pedro__, ola!
[13:32]  * seb128 hugs pedro__
[13:32] <pedro__> ah darn nick
[13:32] <seb128> pedro__, you will be busy cleaning those in the next days I guess
[13:32] <pedro_> yeah!
[13:32] <seb128> pedro_, you lost a part of your tail!
[13:32] <seb128> ;-)
[13:33] <pedro_> been waiting for this time for weeks ;-)
[13:33] <pedro_> yeah, i hate long tails :-P
[13:33] <seb128> ;-)
[13:39] <kenvandine> seb128, hey
[13:39] <seb128> kenvandine, hello
[13:40] <seb128> kenvandine, did you forget to sleep?
[13:40] <seb128> your gwibber upload was list a few hours ago no?
[13:41] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:41] <kenvandine> seb128, i have 3 young kids
[13:41] <kenvandine> doesn't matter what time i go to bed... they always wake me up around 6:30
[13:41] <seb128> right ;-)
[13:42] <kenvandine> :)
[13:42] <kenvandine> joys of parenthood :-p
[13:42] <nessita> kenvandine: teach them python and send them to hack until 8am :-)
[13:42] <nessita> (hello all!)
[13:42] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:42] <kenvandine> hey nessita
[13:42] <nessita> kenvandine: I was also wondering if you sleep at all, I saw your email from my 2am!
[13:42] <kenvandine> time to sponsor your package now
[13:42] <nessita> (thanks, btw)
[13:42] <nessita> kenvandine: whooohooooo!
[13:43] <kenvandine> seb128, btw, i uploaded the refresh fix to lucid-proposed, but the reference bug was a re-opened one that ubuntu-sru is already subscribed to
[13:43] <kenvandine> will it show up on the sru list just because it is in unapproved?
[13:44] <seb128> hey nessita
[13:44] <seb128> kenvandine, no, the sru list just show the accepted uplodas
[13:44] <seb128> uploads
[13:44] <nessita> hey seb128, how is it going?
[13:44] <seb128> nessita, I'm fine thanks
[13:44] <seb128> we got our retracer back
[13:45] <kenvandine> seb128, ok, so i need to ping someone to get it accepted?
[13:45] <seb128> kenvandine, sorry I misread the question there
[13:45] <seb128> it will show up on the sru team review list
[13:45] <seb128> it will not be on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[13:45] <seb128> until it's accepted by somebody
[13:46] <seb128> kenvandine, so not really, you might want to ping cjwatson though just because pitti is not there and I'm not sure anybody is going to review it otherwise
[13:47] <kenvandine> ok
[13:47] <kenvandine> thx
[13:47] <kenvandine> i really hope it helps get us under the allocation
[13:47] <seb128> nice to see the bugs fixed in the maverick update
[13:47] <kenvandine> since the last fix, our total throughput on facebook has gone down quite a bit but the number of requests haven't
[13:48] <kenvandine> and it should... but the number of registered users is still climbing
[13:50] <kenvandine> gwibber in maverick should be looking pretty solid... although i am not that confident in some of the services included...
[13:50] <kenvandine> like buzz and stuff
[13:51] <seb128> well those are side feature though
[13:51] <LaserJock> kenvandine: would it be worth a testing grid
[13:51] <LaserJock> ?
[13:52] <LaserJock> like on a wiki or something
[13:52] <LaserJock> trying to see which services are working reliably or not?
[13:52] <kenvandine> probably...
[13:52] <kenvandine> i don't have time to test them all... would be really nice to have people that actually use those services report on their quality
[13:52] <kenvandine> or the desktop testing project :)
[13:53]  * kenvandine looks at ara
[13:55] <kenvandine> perhaps we need to write up test cases for people to run through
[13:55] <rodrigo_> hey kenvandine
[13:56] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, I'm having a problem similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/600010
[13:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 600010 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gwibber-service crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_lock() (affects: 79) (dups: 8) (heat: 355)" [High,Fix released]
[13:56] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, can you poiunt me to where in gwibeer sources that was fixed?
[13:57] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, it was fixed by reusing thread pools
[13:57] <rodrigo_> hmm
[13:57] <kenvandine> instead of creating new workers each time
[13:57] <kenvandine> it was stepping on itself
[13:57] <kenvandine> so that probably won't fix your problem
[13:58] <kenvandine> this was fixed as a side affect to fixing a bug that was hurting fedora
[13:58] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ok, so the problem is python's Thread, that can only have one thread running at a time, right?
[14:00] <kenvandine> sort of
[14:01] <kenvandine> i think the thread was still working when another operation was trying to do the same thing
[14:01] <kenvandine> which caused a race
[14:01] <kenvandine> basically a second refresh operation would start before the last one finished
[14:02] <kenvandine> and sometimes they would both try to get a list of proxies for the same url
[14:02] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, that might be a libproxy bug itself, but probably a corner case
[14:03] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, well, it seems to, it's failing in a call to px_free, outside of a thread
[14:03] <kenvandine> like in gwibber's case, it was really caused by a gwibber problem
[14:03] <rodrigo_> I had to use the libproxy code outside of the thread because I was getting a similar crash
[14:04] <kenvandine> yeah, those threads can share memory resources and i think since it was making identical requests the second free was failing
[14:04] <rodrigo_> yeah
[14:04] <kenvandine> at least that is what i suspect
[14:04] <rodrigo_> I think I'm going to use a thread pool and try if that fixes it
[14:04] <kenvandine> in my case it was because of a pretty nasty gwibber bug and we shouldn't do that :)
[14:04] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, you had the same crash with libproxy 0.4.6, right?
[14:04] <kenvandine> i think the thread pool was only half the problem
[14:05] <kenvandine> yes... i did repro it with 0.4.6
[14:05] <rodrigo_> ok
[14:05] <rodrigo_> let's see what comes up
[14:05] <kenvandine> upstream wasn't too interested in looking at the problem since our libproxy is so old
[14:05] <rodrigo_> yes, it is
[14:05] <kenvandine> the other half of the problem was gwibber would create new times for refreshes, when you would manually trigger a refresh
[14:05] <kenvandine> so you could have an interval of 15m and refreshes could happen much more often
[14:06] <kenvandine> so i also fixed that by ensure on each refresh i remove the timer
[14:06] <kenvandine> s/ensure/ensuring
[14:08] <devildante> hi all :)
[14:12] <devildante> mpt, around?
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> is anyone finding launchpad not auto-closing bugs with uploads?
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure why bug 410407 wasn't autoclosed
[14:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 410407 in nspluginwrapper (Fedora) (and 11 other projects) "Adobe Flash Player does not respond to mouse clicks [READ DESCRIPTION] (affects: 990) (dups: 56) (heat: 4341)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410407
[14:18] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeh, got that too
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - thanks. i just asked on #launchpad too
[14:19] <devildante> mpt, ?
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - which bug did you see it with?
[14:19] <mpt> hi devildante
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - bug 526552?
[14:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 526552 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Ensure rhythmbox is compliant with the sound menu specifications (affects: 26) (dups: 7) (heat: 143)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526552
[14:20] <devildante> mpt, hi :) I'm trying to fix bug 633626, but the wording is not that good. Could you help me?
[14:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633626 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Crashes silently if /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ contains a malformed file (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633626
[14:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: right, it should be closed
[14:20] <didrocks> (and I should reopen it :))
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - thanks
[14:21] <mpt> hahaha
[14:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: keep me in touch! thanks :)
[14:22] <devildante> mpt, I got it working, here's the screenshot: http://imgur.com/oEnim.png
[14:22] <mpt> devildante, in bug 633316 I suggested primary text of "Some software channel settings are incorrect and will be ignored." and secondary text of "Details: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-tweak-stable.list (dist parse)"
[14:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633316 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Gives up completely if /etc/apt/sources.d/ contains a malformed file (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633316
[14:23] <mpt> devildante, do Update Manager and USC use aptdaemon to find out what repositories are in use? If so, probably this alert should be in python-aptdaemon-gtk or thereabouts.
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - i just had a look through the latest uploads on maverick-changes, and it seems that none of them autoclosed
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i await a response on #launchpad
[14:23] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: maybe #launchpad-dev?
[14:23] <devildante> mpt, no, they use python-apt, more specifically the cache
[14:24] <mpt> devildante, does that mean it would be impossible for USC to work at all until/unless apt is changed to ignore errors like that?
[14:24] <devildante> mpt, the problem is, when opening the cache, USC and update-manager will crash, without any way of letting them open
[14:24] <mpt> (well, not to ignore them, but to bypass them)
[14:25] <devildante> mpt, yes
[14:25] <devildante> mpt, we can just display a fatal error message and then exit
[14:26] <mpt> devildante, no, we also need a button for opening Software Sources -- otherwise there's no way of getting to it to fix the problem (as with bug 633630).
[14:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633630 in synaptic (Ubuntu) "Error alert says "Go to the repository dialog" but doesn't let you (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633630
[14:27] <devildante> mpt, okay, will work on it
[14:28] <mpt> devildante, so something like, "Ubuntu Software Center cannot start because some software channel settings are incorrect. Do you want to fix them now?" ( Cancel ) ( Change Software Channels... )
[14:28] <devildante> mpt, okay, will do
[14:31] <mpt> thanks devildante
[14:31] <devildante> mpt, you're welcome!
[14:35]  * ayan waves @ tedg.
[14:36] <tedg> Good morning ayan!
[14:36] <tedg> ayan, Any luck tracking that leak down?
[14:36] <ayan> eh -- i have a test program but i wanted you to have a look at it first.
[14:37] <ayan> if it is working though, it appears the leak is where you expected it.
[14:38] <tedg> ayan, Woot!
[14:38] <mpt> devildante, if USC can't just launch anyway and has to error out like that, that would be breaking the UI freeze
[14:39] <mpt> So, keep in mind that whatever you do on that bug won't make Maverick
[14:39] <mpt> hey tremolux
[14:39] <devildante> mpt, okay :)
[14:39] <tremolux> hey mpt!
[14:39] <devildante> hi tremolux :)
[14:40] <tremolux> devildante: hiya!
[14:40] <mvo> mpt: I think in this case breaking the UI freeze is needed (even if unfortunate). I mean, if the alterantive is to crash
[14:40] <mvo> hey tremolux and devildante
[14:40]  * tremolux waves to mvo
[14:41] <kenvandine> nessita, hey
[14:41]  * devildante waves too
[14:41] <devildante> and hi mvo :)
[14:41] <nessita> kenvandine: yes?
[14:41] <kenvandine> nessita, testing ubuntu-sso-client... i am getting a problem with syncdaemon, might be unrelated
[14:41] <kenvandine> 2010-09-09 09:40:30,863 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.StorageClient - INFO - Connection lost, reason: [Failure instance: Traceback (failure with no frames): <class 'twisted.internet.error.ConnectionDone'>: Connection was closed cleanly.
[14:41] <kenvandine> it keeps retrying to get capabilities and failing
[14:42] <kenvandine> doesn't look auth related to my untrained eye
[14:42] <kenvandine> there are no recent exceptions in the exceptions log
[14:42] <nessita> kenvandine: seems unrelated, but let's be sure. Can you please paste/send the full u1-client log?
[14:42] <kenvandine> sure
[14:43] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/490962/
[14:43] <kenvandine> nessita, ^^
[14:43] <nessita> kenvandine: ack
[14:44] <kenvandine> not the full log, but everything from just prior to updating sso-client
[14:44] <kenvandine> nessita, after upgrading sso-client i did "u1sdtool -d" and "u1sdtool -c"
[14:45] <kenvandine> nessita, and i hadn't testing it with dropping the keyring entry yet, so really most likely unrelated
[14:45] <nessita> kenvandine: your connection is being closed down constantly. Is not related to SSO since the token was already provided by the SSO service, but let's ask foundations guys since this shouldn't be happening
[14:45]  * nessita asks
[14:46]  * kenvandine holds off on removing from keyring to test that
[14:51] <devildante> mpt, if the user clicks "Change Software Channels..." and repairs the problem, what should happen? Do we just exit from USC/update-manager?
[14:55] <mpt> mvo, every time I launch USC <IP_ADDRESS>, a "Broadcast Accounts" window opens before USC does. Any idea why?
[14:56] <mpt> devildante, oh, I wasn't expecting this code to be hanging around waiting for software-properties-gtk to exit. Is that easy to do?
[14:56] <mvo> mpt: yes, please update to 2.1.17 then it should be fixed
[14:56] <mpt> ok :-)
[14:56] <devildante> mmm...
[14:57] <devildante> mpt, what are you suggesting? That we reopen the cache after exiting from software-properties-gtk and then open USC?
[14:58] <ara> kenvandine, that's why gwibber should be part of the http://desktop.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:58] <devildante> mvo, I found this in debian/changelog:  [ Mohamed Amine IL Idrissi ]
[14:58] <devildante>  * Fix bug that allowed silent removal of conflicting packages
[14:58] <devildante>    (LP: #554319)
[14:58] <devildante>  * Fix missing icons in the remove alerts
[14:58] <devildante> when did I do the second one?
[14:58]  * devildante doesn't remember
[14:59]  * devildante now remembers, nvm :p
[15:00] <mvo> devildante: :)
[15:00] <kenvandine> ara, indeed...
[15:01] <mpt> devildante, that would be nifty.
[15:01] <devildante> mpt, okay, will do it :)
[15:02] <ara> kenvandine, once this cycle finishes, we have to make sure to get sometime to write gwibber tests to add them there
[15:02] <ara> kenvandine, people are being very responsive, they are testing almost all the testcases there
[15:07] <kenvandine> awesome
[15:14] <mpt> kiwinote, hi, have you come across bug 625443? I'm wondering if it's just me
[15:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625443 in software-center (Ubuntu) "No progress shown when removing software (affects: 1) (heat: 577)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625443
[15:15] <kiwinote> mpt: no I haven't been able to reproduce that
[15:15] <kiwinote> mpt: do you still have the issue, or was it tmp?
[15:16] <mpt> kiwinote, yep, I still have the problem right now in 2.1.17
[15:16] <kiwinote> mpt: hm, ok, I'll take another look at it then
[15:16] <mpt> thanks :-)
[15:16] <kiwinote> mpt: all pkgs, or any one in particular?
[15:16] <mpt> kiwinote, any package.
[15:17] <kiwinote> hm, ok, thanks
[15:29] <robbiew> seb128: fyi...I reassigned https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/548546 to desktop...please send it back, if I'm wrong ;)
[15:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 548546 in usb-creator (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 6 other projects) "nautilus not removing device after unmount (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Invalid]
[15:30] <seb128> robbiew, ok thanks, seems a pitti think, he will be back on monday I will check with him
[15:30] <robbiew> ok
[15:38] <devildante> mvo, mpt: I pushed a new revision of my branch that should fix bug 633626, can you test?
[15:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633626 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Crashes silently if /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ contains a malformed file (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633626
[15:39] <mpt> devildante, sorry I won't have time to test that for another 80 minutes or so
[15:39] <devildante> mpt, no problem :)
[15:51] <didrocks> james_w: hey (sorry to ping you when I only have issues with bzr :p), do you have some time for a bzr weirdness?
[15:51] <pedro_> kenvandine, hello! have you noticed bug 622777 ?
[15:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622777 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with UnicodeDecodeError in _handle_UBX() (affects: 37) (dups: 9) (heat: 419)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622777
[15:52] <kenvandine> pedro_, no
[15:52] <james_w> didrocks: always
[15:52] <seb128> pedro_, can you upstream it?
[15:52] <pedro_> kenvandine, i'm getting that at least 20 times per day
[15:52] <seb128> pedro_, the telepathy guys are pretty responsive
[15:52] <pedro_> it's on the upstrema bts already
[15:52] <seb128> oh it is
[15:52] <pedro_> s/upstrema/upstream
[15:52] <seb128> let me ask on #telepathy
[15:52] <pedro_> thank you seb128
[15:52] <didrocks> james_w: just got that when un bzr mu (I don't have any issue if I try bzr merge)
[15:52] <didrocks>  bzr mu ../unity-place-applications_0.2.18.orig.tar.gz ../unity-place-applications --version 0.2.18
[15:52] <didrocks> Using distribution maverick
[15:52] <didrocks> bzr: ERROR: Tree transform is malformed [('unversioned executability', 'new-25'), ('unversioned executability', 'new-24')]
[15:53] <james_w> didrocks: I now add bugs just so that you will talk to me :-)
[15:53] <didrocks> james_w: heh, I was sure about it! :-)
[15:53] <kenvandine> pedro_, i notice someone else has duped it upstream too
[15:53] <kenvandine> so you are not alone :)
[15:54] <pedro_> ;-)
[15:54] <kenvandine> pedro_, i don't use butterfly, so i only notice these things when people point them out :)
[15:55] <didrocks> james_w: do you need the branch to try to reproduce?
[15:56] <james_w> didrocks: that's a new one for me
[15:56] <seb128> pedro_, kenvandine: <lfrb> seb128: yep it's fixed, but I didn't push the change in master yet
[15:56] <seb128> I will backport it
[15:57] <pedro_> <3
[15:57] <didrocks> james_w: never say that from bzr, I'm sure dx is trying to break something so that we can't test their latest goodness :-)
[15:57] <didrocks> saw*
[16:00] <james_w> didrocks: it's always them!
[16:00] <didrocks> james_w: do you see a workaround? I can maybe bzr merge  + untar and commit? (adding tags manually?)
[16:00] <didrocks> as bzr merge is working
[16:01] <james_w> didrocks: let me have a look, can you point me to the branches
[16:02] <didrocks> james_w: sure it's lp:~unity-team/unity-place-applications/trunk and lp:~unity-team/unity-place-applications/packaging
[16:02] <didrocks> james_w: you should be able to uscan to get the latest tarball
[16:02] <didrocks> (and I bzr mu -r -2 to not get the bump to configure.ac)
[16:02] <didrocks> thanks james_w :)
[16:03] <kenvandine> nessita, uploaded ubuntu-sso-client
[16:04] <vish> tremolux / mvo: new icons for SC : http://paste.ubuntu.com/490901/  they should land once seb128 does today's update rounds..
[16:05] <nessita> kenvandine: thanks a lot!!!
[16:05]  * vish temporarily stops glaring at mpt!!.. too many categories!
[16:11] <james_w> didrocks: I'm going to need a few to dig in to this, it's not easy to diagnose, but I would like to fix it
[16:12] <james_w> didrocks: if this is urgent I can walk you through a manual process that will approximate what it is doing
[16:12] <didrocks> james_w: I still can wait for an hour (I have others update to confirm), but this one is important as it fixes a crash in unity
[16:12] <rickspencer3> seb128, is anyone doing *any* feature work, or is everyone focused on bug fixing?
[16:13] <didrocks> james_w: so if you feel it's not enough time, I would go the manual way
[16:13] <james_w> didrocks: ok, I'm working on it right now, so let me have a few minutes to see if I can spot it
[16:13] <didrocks> james_w: great, thanks
[16:13] <seb128> rickspencer3, we are all focussed on bugfixing
[16:14] <rickspencer3> seb128, 3 weeks!
[16:14]  * rickspencer3 looking at targeted bug list
[16:25] <Guest92604> Hello
[16:38] <seb128> slomo, there?
[16:38] <slomo> yes
[16:39] <seb128> slomo, is your cairo update online somewhere?
[16:39] <seb128> ie something I can dget?
[16:39] <slomo> http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/cairo.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/debian-experimental
[16:40] <seb128> slomo, you don't repack the upstream tarball right?
[16:40] <seb128> just to make sure
[16:40] <slomo> nope... but maybe i should. it's ~23MB because of all the testcases ;)
[16:40] <seb128> hehe
[16:41] <seb128> you don't have the diff.gz and dsc handy by any chance?
[16:41] <seb128> will be easier than to checkout the whole git just to run debuild -S on it
[16:41] <seb128> would be
[16:43] <rickspencer3> bug #632760
[16:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632760 in language-pack-pt (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Language variants don't work in Firefox because the language codes are separated with an underscore rather than a hyphen in chrome.manifest (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632760
[16:44] <seb128> rickspencer3, what about it?
[16:44] <rickspencer3> seb128, I'm just incredibly lazy
[16:44] <rickspencer3> :)
[16:44] <seb128> lol
[16:49] <slomo> seb128: i can upload it if you want
[16:49] <slomo> seb128: http://people.freedesktop.org/~slomo/
[16:50] <seb128> slomo, thanks!
[16:52] <tkamppeter> mvo, ping
[16:53] <mvo> hey tkamppeter
[16:54] <tkamppeter> mvo, I want to ask you for help about package updating, but we should talk about this with mdz on #ubuntu-devel.
[16:55] <slomo> seb128: it has 3 new binary packages, two caused by alf__'s patch and one new library
[16:55] <slomo> the new library will be used by gtk3
[16:56] <seb128> slomo, I'm wondering if we should get that in maverick or delay to next cycle
[16:56] <seb128> alf__, do you need those changes in?
[16:57] <slomo> seb128: do you want maverick to be gtk3 compatible? :) i don't know, that gobject library is nothing fancy
[16:57] <slomo> and alf__ really wants his changes included, he asked me a lot of times to include the patch and that the ubuntu release is near ;)
[16:57] <seb128> ok
[16:57] <seb128> let's go for it
[16:57] <seb128> it's not any change on the default cairo install
[16:57] <seb128> just new binaries
[16:58] <slomo> yes, new binary packages and two new files in the -dev package iirc
[16:58] <slomo> everything else is unchanged
[17:00] <seb128> great
[17:13] <mpt> tremolux, where's the "Independent" source? Will that show up only when there are any packages in it?
[17:14] <tremolux> mpt: yes, it only shows up if there's are items in that repository
[17:14] <mpt> tremolux, ok, is there an easy way to fake it for testing purposes?
[17:16] <tremolux> mpt: let me get you some info, in the middle of another conversation atm sorry for delay
[17:25] <ricotz> seb128, did you had a chance to look at the g-i 0.9.3 rebuilds? - bug 633020 bug 633019
[17:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633020 in gupnp (Ubuntu) "Rebuild against gobject-introspection 0.9.3 needed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633020
[17:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633019 in gssdp (Ubuntu) "Rebuild against gobject-introspection 0.9.3 needed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633019
[17:26] <ricotz> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+sourcepub/1288642/+listing-archive-extra https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+sourcepub/1288615/+listing-archive-extra
[17:26] <seb128> not yet
[17:26] <seb128> does that block anything?
[17:26] <seb128> nothing use those right?
[17:26] <ricotz> gupnp depends on gssdp
[17:27] <ricotz> gupnp is used by some packages
[17:27] <seb128> but not the gir?
[17:28] <ricotz> right, gupn-av
[17:28] <ricotz> gir1.0-gupnp-av
[17:28] <seb128> in any case doing that in a bit
[17:28] <seb128> I'm just finishing on my current task
[17:28] <ricotz> np
[17:29] <ricotz> so gupnp-av need a rebuild too
[17:31] <ricotz> seb128, do you think if g-i 0.9.5 or 0.9.6 will get released it have a chance for an update?
[17:31] <seb128> not this cycle
[17:31] <seb128> nothing use introspection anyway
[17:32] <ricotz> seb128, ok, but gtk+ might will depend on g-i 0.9.5+
[17:33] <ricotz> i mean gtk+2.0, but i havent followed it
[17:34] <seb128> ricotz, we will revert the commit that update the requirement if required
[17:34] <tremolux> mpt: sorry for the delay
[17:35] <tremolux> mpt: it's easy, yes
[17:35] <mpt> tremolux, sorry, I have to go now, but e-mail me and I'll try tomorrow morning
[17:35] <tremolux> mpt: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:app-review-board/ppa
[17:35] <ricotz> seb128, i already depends on it
[17:35] <mpt> ok
[17:35] <tremolux> mpt: oh, sorry!
[17:35] <ricotz> seb128, it *
[17:35] <tremolux> mpt: and sudo apt-get update
[17:35] <tremolux> mpt: start USC and wait for the update, about a minute or less, the node will appear
[17:35] <tremolux> mpt: I'll send an email
[17:35] <seb128> ricotz, not the current maverick version of we wouldn't have it built
[17:36] <seb128> ricotz, is 0.9.5 or 0.9.6 changing abi again?
[17:36] <ricotz> 0.9.5 has
[17:36] <ricotz> but there are no releases since 0.9.3
[17:37] <seb128> ok so there is no way we break abi one week before the hard freeeze
[17:37] <ricotz> the current 2.22 branch depends on it, so the next pre-release will
[17:38] <ricotz> not sure how many reverts it would take
[17:38] <seb128> well if it comes to it we will just drop all the gir builds for maverick
[17:38] <seb128> we have other issues now that dealing with abi breaks for things we don't use
[17:39] <seb128> but http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?h=gtk-2-22 suggests it's one commit to revert
[17:39] <seb128> walters, ^
[17:39] <seb128> walters, hey
[17:40] <seb128> walters, is there any recommended gir version to use for GNOME 2.32?
[17:41] <ricotz> seb128, i think they are currently updating them all to use 0.9.5, also clutter
[17:43] <seb128> like one week before hard freeze they break abi and requirements?
[17:43] <walters> seb128: we should be able to have a 0.9.6 "mostly frozen" release for 2.32, and i expect most things to build against it; we've made a lot of progress there.  But it won't be stable until around gtk3
[17:43] <seb128> :-(
[17:44] <seb128> ricotz, walters: I guess we will use 0.9.3 and revert commits to gtk etc if they update requirement
[17:45] <ricotz> seb128, this will make it hard do some public g-s testing build :( without rebuiling a bunch of packages
[17:45] <walters> seb128: i can do another release by tomorrow if that helps
[17:46] <seb128> ricotz, well don't do g-s testing this cycle I guess
[17:46] <seb128> we will have next distro open in a few weeks
[17:46] <seb128> walters, well our hard freeze is next week it's late to break abi and rebuild everything especially if we need source changes
[17:46] <walters> ah
[17:47] <seb128> but thanks
[17:47] <seb128> vuntz, ^ not nice that GNOME 2.32 brings abi changes requirements that late
[17:48] <seb128> walters, ideally you would let 2.32 on the current abi, ie 0.9.3 now and keep work toward 3 on the new serie
[17:48] <walters> hmm
[17:49] <seb128> I doubt anybody is going to make anything useful from gir in GNOME 2.32 anyway
[17:49] <walters> seb128: well, for 2.32 the only thing that depends on g-i is gnome-games AFAIK
[17:50] <seb128> well the things is that we build gir binaries from the different source now
[17:50] <seb128> even if nothing use those
[17:51] <bcurtiswx_> empathy depends on gobject introspection,
[17:51] <seb128> if you break abi in GNOME between 2.31.91 or 2.31.92 it will mean distributors will need to transition the whole gir stack
[17:51] <seb128> we already have things we had to distro hack for 0.9.3
[17:51] <seb128> ie webkit
[17:51] <seb128> because they code the abi to 1.0
[17:53] <bcurtiswx_> but I think in the build you can --disable-introspection for empathy if you wanted to not worry about GIR yet.
[17:56] <walters> seb128: i'll talk to release team directly about the 2.32 story; my understanding was that dependency uptake was pretty low, and was the reason we moved forward in trying to fix stuff
[17:58] <walters> there are far larger problems than just the internal g-i typelib format changes; vast swaths of the stack remaining unannotated was the reason the rewrite landed to give better errors
[17:58] <seb128> walters, thanks
[17:59] <seb128> walters, but yeah it's probably less an issue for GNOME than distributors
[17:59] <seb128> like GNOME doesn't care about fixing webkit for 2.32
[17:59] <seb128> but distributor have to if there is a transition
[18:01] <walters> ah...what's the webkit issue exactly?
[18:15] <seb128> walters, they ship a gir with the version set to 1.0
[18:16] <seb128> walters, nothing important but it's just an example of thing which broke with the previous abi change in our rebuilds
[18:16] <seb128> I'm rather concerned that the new changes would mean change to makefile in some sources
[18:19] <walters> hum
[20:10] <kenvandine> james_w, ping
[20:10] <james_w> hi kenvandine
[20:11] <kenvandine> hey james_w... got a weird problem with the libdbusmenu package
[20:11] <kenvandine> gzip: stdout: Broken pipe
[20:11] <kenvandine> dpkg-source: error: gunzip gave error exit status 1
[20:11] <kenvandine> E: pbuilder: Failed extracting the source
[20:11] <kenvandine> i can't seem to create a package that can be extracted with dpkg-source
[20:11] <kenvandine> so pbuilder fails, etc
[20:11] <kenvandine> only that one package
[20:11] <kenvandine> fails for tedg too
[20:11] <kenvandine> and i have tried on both maverick and lucid
[20:13] <james_w> the package in the archive
[20:13] <james_w> ?
[20:14] <kenvandine> lp:~ken-vandine/dbusmenu/ubuntu/
[20:14] <kenvandine> you can try that
[20:14] <kenvandine> i haven't tried the latest in the archive
[20:14] <kenvandine> let me do that
[20:15] <kenvandine> james_w, so i get that error when lintian tries to run as well as in pbuilder and trying dpkg-source myself
[20:15] <james_w> dpkg-source outside the chroot?
[20:15] <kenvandine> i saw some bugs against bzr-builddeb like that
[20:15] <kenvandine> yes
[20:16] <kenvandine> but they are closed
[20:16] <kenvandine> james_w, same error with lp:ubuntu/libdbusmenu
[20:16]  * kenvandine fetches with apt-get source and tries
[20:17] <james_w> kenvandine: builds fine for me
[20:17] <kenvandine> james_w, ok the sources i get right from the archive works
[20:17] <kenvandine> james_w, i can build it..
[20:17] <kenvandine> bzr bd -S
[20:17] <james_w> I mean extracts fine after building
[20:17] <kenvandine> humm
[20:18] <james_w> kenvandine: which part is busted?
[20:18] <kenvandine> amd64 or i386?
[20:18] <kenvandine> bzr bd -S
[20:18] <james_w> i386 lucid
[20:18] <james_w> kenvandine: no, I mean which part of the source package
[20:18] <kenvandine> it doesn't really say
[20:18] <james_w> kenvandine: please could you pastebin the full output of trying to use dpkg-source on it?
[20:18] <kenvandine> sure
[20:19] <james_w> and try "zcat libdbusmenu_0.3.13-0ubuntu1.diff.gz >/dev/null" and "tar tf libdbusmenu_0.3.13.orig.tar.gz"
[20:20] <kenvandine> well crap... now it works!
[20:20] <kenvandine> arg!
[20:22] <kenvandine> ok, still fails in pbuilder
[20:22] <kenvandine> james_w, both of those commands work
[20:23] <kenvandine> no errors
[20:24] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/491174/
[20:24] <james_w> kenvandine: pbuilder for which release? maverick?
[20:24] <kenvandine> james_w, ^^
[20:24] <kenvandine> it failed on lucid too, but building for maverick
[20:24] <james_w> dpkg-source: info: unpacking libdbusmenu_0.3.13.orig.tar.gz
[20:24] <james_w> gzip: stdout: Broken pipe
[20:24] <james_w> so it can't extract the .orig.tar.gz
[20:24] <james_w> what command are you running there?
[20:25] <kenvandine> sudo /usr/sbin/pbuilder --build --basetgz "/home/ken/pbuilder/maverick-base.tgz" --distribution "maverick" --buildresult "/home/ken/pbuilder/maverick_result/" --aptcache "/var/cache/apt/archives/" --override-config --logfile /home/ken/pbuilder/maverick_result/last_operation.log --mirror "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/" --components "main restricted universe multiverse" libdbusmenu_0.3.13-0ubuntu1.dsc
[20:25] <kenvandine> i am actually using pbuilder-dist
[20:26] <kenvandine> but that is the command it generates
[20:27] <kenvandine> tedg, when you tried earlier, you just did a "bzr bd -S" and dpkg-source -x on it right?
[20:27] <kenvandine> not in a chroot?
[20:27] <tedg> kenvandine, No, not in a chroot
[20:27]  * tedg doesn't use chroot's much
[20:27] <kenvandine> i am trying again on my lucid box
[20:30] <kenvandine> james_w, i was looking at bug 399938
[20:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 399938 in bzr-builddeb (Ubuntu) "unpacking the upstream tarball not working (affects: 2) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399938
[20:30] <kenvandine> james_w, ok, it still fails on my lucid build box in pbuilder
[20:31] <kenvandine> james_w, however now dpkg-source can extract it on that lucid box too
[20:31] <kenvandine> it was failing before
[20:31] <kenvandine> let me compare these tarballs
[20:32] <kenvandine> they are the same :/
[20:32] <kenvandine> wtf!
[20:35] <james_w> kenvandine: then it's the same root cause of that bug probably, but not the fault of bzr-builddeb
[20:35] <kenvandine> james_w, ok...
[20:35] <james_w> something somewhere is probably installing a SIGPIPE handler that is breaking dpkg-source
[20:35] <kenvandine> now that i some that can be extracted by dpkg-source, let me see if the upload gets rejected again :)
[20:36] <kenvandine> james_w, i had tried uploading, and it got rejected with the same error
[20:36] <kenvandine> crap... yeah still rejected
[20:36] <kenvandine> sigh
[20:46] <kenvandine> tedg, ok... i repacked your tarball and now it works
[20:46] <kenvandine> so it doesn't exactly match what is on LP
[20:59] <devildante> mvo, fix for bug 633626: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/ignore-malformed-source/+merge/35033
[20:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633626 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Crashes silently if /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ contains a malformed file (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633626
[21:03] <tremolux> devildante: is that the change that mvo mentioned to mpt before that needed a UI freeze exception?  (I hopped on the channel right at the tail end of the conversation)
[21:03] <devildante> tremolux, yes
[21:03]  * devildante is fixing changelog conflict
[21:05]  * devildante fixed changelog conflict
[21:10] <devildante> mvo, tremolux, kiwinote: what do you think of bug 634164?
[21:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634164 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Many useful packages are said "technical" and not displayed by default (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634164
[21:14] <tremolux> devildante: well, yeah, I can see his point, but this seems like one of those cases where some folks would like things one way and others would like them another way
[21:14] <tremolux> and, well, you have do choose a way  ;)
[21:14] <tremolux> have *to*
[21:14] <tremolux> but I would think that mpt would be the best person to address that
[21:15] <devildante> mpt, our eternal designer :p
[21:15] <tremolux> devildante: you bet  :)
[21:16] <tremolux> devildante: he is the designer, but certainly he listens to feedback and values it
[21:17] <devildante> tremolux, mpt is a great guy :)
[21:21] <tremolux> devildante: true that  :)
[21:44] <devildante> tremolux, mvo, kiwinote: hey, searching for "lib" in usc makes it freeze (aka bug 634449)
[21:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634449 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Searching for "lib" crashes Ubuntu Software Center (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634449
[21:46] <tremolux> devildante: it does indeed!
[21:46]  * devildante doesn't know why
[21:46] <tremolux> devildante: iirc we do some magic to limit the number of returned results on a search
[21:47] <tremolux> devildante: I wonder if that's not playing well now
[21:47] <devildante> hmm...
[21:47] <mvo> the problem is line 185 in appview.py I think
[21:47] <tremolux> devildante: since obviously there are lots of packages that include lib
[21:47] <mvo>                 matches = enquire.get_mset(0, len(self.db))
[21:47] <mvo> this is there to estimate the number of technical itmes found
[21:47] <mvo> but obviously in this case its super slow
[21:48] <devildante> mvo, make it in a gobject.idle_add ?
[21:48] <devildante> mvo, I'll try to hack it right now
[21:48] <tremolux> mvo: we don't even get a spinner  ;)
[21:49] <mvo> devildante: idle_add is not premtive, this is really a blocking call at this point
[21:49] <mvo> tremolux: yeah, it blocks, no event loop
[21:49] <tremolux> mvo: yeah
[21:49]  * devildante didn't understand what mvo said
[21:49] <devildante> not experienced enough :(
[21:50] <mvo> we could move it into a thread, this way the event loop keeps running
[21:50] <mvo> but there seems to be more going on, that deserves some good investigation
[21:51] <nessita> kenvandine: ping
[21:51] <kenvandine> nessita, pong
[21:52] <devildante> mvo, at [19:59]: <devildante> mvo, fix for bug 633626: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/ignore-malformed-source/+merge/35033
[21:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633626 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Crashes silently if /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ contains a malformed file (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633626
[21:52] <mvo> devildante: cool, thanks!
[21:52] <nessita> kenvandine: any idea why the bugs being solved by the latest released of ussoc are not marked automatically as "Fix Released" (us usual)?
[21:52] <nessita> s/us/as/
[21:52] <mvo> devildante: tomorrow
[21:52] <devildante> mvo, np, please test tomorrow :)
[21:52] <mvo> devildante: but great that this is handled :)
[21:52] <devildante> ;)
[21:52] <kenvandine> nessita, no.. weird
[21:52] <kenvandine> one sec
[21:53] <nessita> kenvandine: I know LP is not working that well today, at least we're having a bunch of weirdness in ubuntuone-client
[21:54] <kenvandine> nessita, weird... the changelog looks fine
[21:54] <kenvandine> it should have
[21:54] <kenvandine> i am seeing weirdness too
[21:54] <kenvandine> merges not being marked as merged
[21:54] <nessita> kenvandine: yeah...
[21:55] <nessita> kenvandine: we have non scanned branches
[21:56] <kenvandine> yeah... looks like it has been bumpy after the maintenance
[21:58] <nessita> kenvandine: seems like they know what it is now (see #u1-internal for details)
[22:02] <kenvandine> nessita, thx
[22:08] <seb128> kenvandine, nessita: chrisccoulson and didrocks had the same issue
[22:08] <seb128> seems a bug in the launchpad update
[22:08] <nessita> seb128: yeah, launchpad guy are already alerted and working on that
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i mentioned it on #launchpad earlier
[22:08] <seb128> you could think they have a testsuite they run on edge before rolling updates
[22:09] <seb128> where they would test things like that
[22:13] <nessita> ok, EOD for me
[22:13] <nessita> see y'all tomorrow
[22:35] <kklimonda> does anyone work on empathy log synchronization (as a part of OneConf)?
[22:38] <seb128> not that I know about
[22:39] <jcastro> seb128: btw a daily build worked for me yesterday
[22:40] <seb128> jcastro, getting there then? ;-)
[22:40] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1088004106/some-progress-on-daily-builds
[22:40] <seb128> it has been just been taking one cycle over what it should have
[22:40] <seb128> you can maybe do a session about those at next UDS ;-)
[22:41] <seb128> nice


[00:38] <cratylus> does launchpad have a preferred/builtin patch manager? trying to decide whether to go with quilt or something else
[00:39] <wgrant> cratylus: Launchpad doesn't care about that -- it just builds Debian packages.
[00:39] <wgrant> cratylus: But quilt is preferred by the community these days, and is part of the new source package format.
[00:40] <cratylus> wgrant, makes sense. wanted to double check. glad to hear it's the preferred one. gonna go with it for mine as well
[00:40] <cratylus> thanks!
[00:41] <shakaran2> hi, how can I put the my app on Ubuntu here? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/tivion
[00:41] <wgrant> shakaran2: You'll want to talk to #ubuntu-motu about getting your package into universe.
[00:41] <shakaran2> oh, thanks
[00:46] <jussi01> does Leonard Richardson have a IRC nick here on frenode?
[00:46] <wgrant> leonardr
[00:46] <wgrant> But he's away at the moment, IIRC.
[00:46] <jussi01> Ahh, not here atm. ok. Ill see if he is around on monday
[00:47] <wgrant> You're lucky -- that's when he's back.
[00:47] <jussi01> :)
[00:47] <jussi01> wgrant: feel like fixing another unrelated bug for me? :) :D
[00:47] <wgrant> jussi01: Worth a try.
[00:48] <jussi01> wgrant: bug 495964
[00:48] <wgrant> Ew, DB changes.
[00:48] <wgrant> RUN AWAY!
[00:48] <jussi01> hehe
[00:48] <jussi01> is it really such a huge thing?
[00:49] <wgrant> It means it has to go through a couple of extra people.
[00:49] <wgrant> And it's much harder to fix if it ends up not working.
[00:50] <jussi01> very ouchies.
[00:51] <jussi01> wgrant: can you think off a work around? some other way to do it?
[00:52] <wgrant> jussi01: You could look for members that will expire soon using the API, and email using a local script.
[00:52] <wgrant> Although that approach runs into problems if people have their addresses hidden.
[00:52] <jussi01> basically its for the IRCC ops import to LP, we want to give people some more info when the big expiry happens
[00:54] <jussi01> anyway, I got to head now, if you think of something, please just hilight me.
[04:45] <wgrant> Hmm, edge seems to have gone bad.
[04:46] <wgrant> And lpnet.
[04:47] <wgrant> lifeless: ^^?
[04:48] <james2432> launchpad is down?
[04:48] <RiotingPacifist> I think luanchpad is down
[04:48] <RiotingPacifist> snap
[04:49] <Peng> Known issue. Ish.
[04:49] <james2432> makes me a sad panda :(
[04:50] <ScottK> wgrant: Thanks.  That's what I was wondering.
[04:50] <james2432> lol
[04:51] <cody-somerville> Seems to be back now
[04:51] <wgrant> Not for me.
[04:52] <wgrant> Ah, yes, there we go.
[04:52] <james2432> me either
[04:52] <wgrant> james2432: Try dropping the offline.html from the URL.
[04:52] <james2432> did that
[04:52] <james2432> restarting browser
[04:52] <cody-somerville> Seems to be a load issue. The gateway is timing out.
[04:52] <wgrant> Ah, yeah, edge still unhappy.
[04:52] <wgrant> edge is OK too now.
[04:53] <james2432> nope, redirects me to offline.html
[04:53] <james2432> after 1 or 2 seconds of load
[04:53] <RiotingPacifist> i'm still a sad panda, mainpage is up http://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers is down
[04:54] <wgrant> cody-somerville: Do you know if anybody is on it?
[04:54] <RiotingPacifist> i guess the ppas are still down
[04:55] <jcape> Any idea when the site will be back up?
[04:55] <aberghage> eh, I'm still getting offline.html after a little loading wait on the mainpage, too. Ah well, not much to do but wait.
[04:56] <jcape> Yeah, I'm trying to sync tomboy notes right now, this is making it difficult :-)
[04:56] <cody-somerville> Not sure yet.  The Launchpad Operational SysAdmins and General SysAdmins may have been paged by nagios so someone might show up in a few minutes. If the service continues to be degraded and no one shows up, I'll dial the on-call GSA.
[04:56] <jcape> OK, thanks
[04:58] <ScottK> Still dead here.
[04:59] <james2432> still dead here
[05:00] <gotmilk82_> wow...what happened to launchpad?
[05:00] <james2432> its down
[05:00] <james2432> duh
[05:00] <wgrant> Intermittently.
[05:00] <gotmilk82_> lol, I knew that part....:)
[05:00] <james2432> :P
[05:00] <cody-somerville> wgrant, seems to be really dead now
[05:00] <cody-somerville> wgrant, I get redirected to offline.html immediately.
[05:01] <wgrant> cody-somerville: Yes :(
[05:01] <james2432> till the problem is fixed we won't know what the problem is now would we ;)
[05:01] <wgrant> Like the DB death spirals recently.
[05:01] <gotmilk82_> i was asking more of the "its down for maintenance" or "terrorists hacked it" or etc.....
[05:01] <wgrant> gotmilk82_: OMG IT'S BROKEN ARGHHH is more likely
[05:01] <james2432> terrorists did it :P
[05:01] <gotmilk82_> lol.....
[05:02] <gotmilk82_> man, you guys are kind of pissy when you cant get your launchpad fix.  :P
[05:02] <cody-somerville> hmm... I got an oops id now. Error ID: OOPS-1443EA208
[05:03] <james2432> well I was looking into a bug :P
[05:03] <wgrant> cody-somerville: I think it's probably wake-people-up-at-5am time...
[05:03] <james2432> it only 12:03am here :P
[05:03] <gotmilk82_> its 11 here
[05:04] <gotmilk82_> still early
[05:04] <cody-somerville> wgrant, aye
[05:04] <gotmilk82_> in developer hours
[05:04] <MTecknology> :(
[05:04] <james2432> lol devs never sleep
[05:05] <gotmilk82_> exactly...well one's with day jobs sleep sometimes :)
[05:05] <Pyrox> developer are sleeping when the sun is shining :)
[05:05] <gotmilk82_> exactly
[05:10] <james2432> oOoOOo
[05:10] <james2432> I got to frontpage
[05:11] <james2432> error 504 gateway timed out :(
[05:12] <gotmilk82_> :(
[05:12] <MTecknology> james2432: just need to wait.. it happens sometimes
[05:12] <james2432> i know
[05:12] <gotmilk82_> I have to admit, for what I wanted to do tonight, I am currently lost :(
[05:12] <Pyrox> try to disable the beta feature
[05:12] <gotmilk82_> LOL
[05:12] <Pyrox> i got the pages i need :)
[05:13] <james2432> lmao
[05:13] <gotmilk82_> I had to put kids to bed...all are finally asleep.  Pyrox I hadn't gotten that far :(
[05:13] <james2432> disabling beta works
[05:14] <cody-somerville> No, I'm pretty sure the services are just restored now
[05:14] <james2432> oh
[05:14] <gotmilk82_> its up....lets not all kill it at once :)
[05:14] <james2432> darn
[05:15] <james2432> Don't DDoS the server with a zerg rush :P
[05:19]  * wgrant notes that the identi.ca announcement system didn't work awfully well.
[06:00] <cody-somerville> ugh weird
[06:01] <cody-somerville> the +filebug page keeps getting "reset" when trying to file a new bug
[06:01] <cody-somerville> If I switch to another tab and then back
[06:02] <cody-somerville> or thats not it, its doing it anyhow
[06:23] <wgrant> cody-somerville: Bug already fixed. Should be on edge in a couple of hours.
[06:23]  * cody-somerville nods.
[09:38] <stochastic> hi, if someone is using launchpad's PPA system to distribute software that they don't have the right to distribute, what is the correct course of action to report this?  Is it something that needs to be reported?
[09:39] <wgrant> stochastic: You should certainly report that. You could ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, or perhaps email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:39] <ScottK> It definitely needs to be reported.
[09:40] <stochastic> Can I just mention it here?
[09:40] <ScottK> Almost certainly not.
[09:40] <ScottK> I mean not if you want something done about it.
[09:40] <wgrant> it's not going to be noticed here, particularly on a weekend.
[09:40] <stochastic> okay, I'll e-mail
[09:40] <stochastic> thanks.
[09:41] <wgrant> I would suggest rather adding a question.
[09:41] <wgrant> More obviously trackable.
[11:53] <qdb> hello , wha is difference of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[12:02] <AnAnt> when is the launchpad upgrade ?
[18:02] <papapep> hi, there's a member of our loco that has told me that he is not able to access his launchpad account, after a long time of not trying to, as he doesn't nowadays own the mail account with which he originally registered. How can he solve this, and get access once again to his account?
[20:34] <papapep> hi, is there any launchpad admin in the room?
[21:00] <thumper> papapep: not yet, spm starts in an hour or two
[21:44] <papapep> thumper: thanks
[21:57] <popey> can an admin change the status of a team?
[21:58] <popey> we have tried changing ~locoteams-approved from "moderated" to "restricted" but launchpad _always_ times out because its a huge team
[21:58] <popey> is there a database table somewhere that can be poked?
[21:58] <thumper> popey: certainly :)
[21:58] <thumper> popey: but the question is "should it be poked" :)
[21:59] <popey> I defer to someone else to answer that one :)
[22:01] <popey> thumper: who can answer that one?
[22:01] <thumper> popey: spm
[22:01] <thumper> popey: he starts soonish I think
[22:02] <thumper> maybe in an hour
[22:02] <popey> great, thanks
[22:02] <mwhudson> otherwise mthaddon works uk time
[23:03] <spm> popey: ew. sounds irritating. so we/I *don't* forget about it; and can link to bug reports ;-) can you pls open a request for that to be fixed? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[23:03] <popey> will do
[23:03] <popey> worth noting a number of operations around that team are broken
[23:04] <popey> launchpad frequently times out when operating on it
[23:04] <papapep> spm: there's a member of our loco that has told me that he is not able to access his launchpad account, after a long time of not trying to, as he doesn't nowadays own the mail account with which he originally registered. How can he solve this, and get access once again to his account?
[23:06] <spm> papapep: hrm. generally tis best if they create a new account and request a merge rename to the old; via the link above for the request.
[23:07] <papapep> spm: ok, I'll tell him to do so, thanks ;)
[23:07] <spm> np


[05:16] <bazhang> is it the matrix in #ubuntu today
[05:16] <bazhang> nearly exactly identical chat about modifying the unity laucnhiner
[05:16] <bazhang> and launcher
[05:27] <elky> so?
[05:40] <dax> elky: deja vu
[05:40] <dax> the matrix has been modified *nod*
[19:05] <yofel> hi, could someone please change the "!download" factoid in #kubuntu: "ubbotu bot on #kubuntu returns wrong link to download page, it shows http://kubuntu.org/download.php while it should be http://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ - can you somehow fix this ?"
[19:06] <Pici> !no download-#kubuntu is <reply> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from http://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[19:07] <yofel> thanks!
[19:08] <Pici> np


[10:31] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: How does https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1456684 actually manifest itself?  (i.e. what should I put in the SRU Impact/Test Case?)
[17:02] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I'm out tomorrow, would appreciate it if you could answer my above question by the time I'm back. ;)
[22:01] <harlowja> Odd_Bloke https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196884/
[22:01] <harlowja> claudiupopa ^
[22:01] <harlowja> pretty sure if we want to support rhel6.x we need that
[22:01] <harlowja> which afaik we wanted to do
[22:01] <claudiupopa> tooo baaad. :D


[05:41] <tgm4883> !mysql
[05:41] <Zinn> If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, perform the following to reconfigure it: [1] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it later)  [2] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database [3] sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common


[23:20] <guiverc_t> AU folks - just looked @ wiki - it links to non-existing site, non-existing planet. etc.   should i clean 404-sites from wiki??  (email sent to jared; head_victim)


[07:38] <ducasse> o/
[09:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morming folks
[09:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning even
[09:40] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[09:41] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[12:01] <pauljw> hi everyone
[12:03] <BluesKaj> hi again
[12:04] <pauljw> :)
[12:06] <R13ose> Hi
[15:59] <nacc> why is there so much jupyter whatever talk in #ubuntu lately?
[16:00] <daftykins> never heard of it o0
[16:01] <nacc> me neither!
[16:02] <nacc> but it's annoying, as it's two people talking about it with long paras and not at all about ubuntu
[16:02] <nacc> i think it's some python nonsense
[16:02] <daftykins> so point the rules at them
[16:03] <nacc> yeah, i'm just surprised no one else has -- just woke up here :)
[16:07] <daftykins> same old ops ;)
[16:09] <EriC^^> OerHeks for ops, 2017!
[16:09] <daftykins> \o/
[16:09] <EriC^^> make it happen people
[16:09] <daftykins> i'd support that
[16:09] <daftykins> make #ubuntu average again
[16:10] <nacc> heh
[16:13] <daftykins> OerHeks: we're starting up a campaign for you to be opped, ok? ;)
[16:52] <OerHeks> hey guys, i was working on an important email :-D
[16:52] <OerHeks> !coffee
[17:04] <daftykins> OerHeks: :D
[23:29] <Bashing-om> !info libisc-export160 xenial
[23:29] <ubot5`> libisc-export160 (source: bind9): Exported ISC Shared Library. In component main, is important. Version 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-8ubuntu1.2 (xenial), package size 158 kB, installed size 486 kB