[00:33] <wgrant> wxl: An explicit registration step isn't usually required. You can generally just add the URL to a bug and it will automatically be created.
[00:34] <wxl> wgrant: i was trying to add a default tracker for a project, actually. sorry i wasn't explicit
[00:37] <wgrant> wxl: https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+newbugtracker is the form. The location should be of the form https://github.com/OWNER/REPO/issues
[00:38] <wxl> thx wgrant
[00:40] <wxl> wgrant: might be good to link that into +configure-bugtracker somehow
[16:06] <Odd_Bloke> "Request another review" has started taking me to a separate page to fill in a person.  Once I do so, the MP is moved to "Needs review" regardless of the fact it was in "Work in progress" before.
[16:06] <Odd_Bloke> Is this an expected change in behaviour?  Is there something I can do to debug why it's happening?
[16:06] <cjwatson> I don't think "Request another review" has changed in a long time.  But do you perhaps have JS off?
[16:07] <Odd_Bloke> I don't, and I can't reproduce (though I've seen it a couple of times in the last couple of days).
[16:15] <rbasak> Sometimes Launchpad gives me a separate page for which it usually has a popup. I always assumed that was expected behaviour if some dynamic call timed out or something.
[16:16] <rbasak> Also, something else I've observed is that the dynamic page changes after a successful popup sometimes miss metadata changes that appear after a page refresh.
[16:19] <cjwatson> For testing, you can generally force the non-JS fallback to be invoked by middle-clicking on a green link.  And yes, if the page doesn't quite fully load then you can end up with the non-JS fallback.
[16:23] <cjwatson> And yes, it looks as though the non-JS and JS versions of BranchMergeProposal:+request-review have always had different semantics.  Weird, and surely a bug one way or the other.
[16:24] <cjwatson> I've never noticed that since I almost never use the WIP state.
[17:02] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, it looks like the issue happens when the comments/diff are still loading.
[17:02] <Odd_Bloke> I _think).
[17:02] <Odd_Bloke> *_think_
[17:03] <Odd_Bloke> We request two reviews from the same team on our MPs, and Launchpad coalesces the emails if they're both there when it goes to "Needs review".
[17:03] <Odd_Bloke> And it gives me a chance to review it for dumb mistakes before everyone else gets to spot them. ;)


[14:57] <RZAFC> can someone help?
 I can't compile c program in gcc
[14:59] <Quintasan> RZAFC: go to #ubuntu
[15:01] <RZAFC> ok
[17:13] <zyga> brendand: is there a friendly meeting here?
[17:13] <brendand> zyga, i haven't seen one
[17:19] <roadmr> not sure what happened :/
[17:19] <roadmr> cprofitt may know something :)
[17:23] <roadmr> brendand, zyga : I'm an idiot, the UF meeting is scheduled for *tomorrow* :(
[17:23] <zyga> roadmr: hehe
[17:24] <brendand> roadmr, off by one (day) error
[17:25] <brendand> happens all the time
[20:59]  * stgraber waves
[20:59] <pitti> hello
[21:00] <soren> o/
[21:01] <pitti> kees and mdz sent apologies
[21:01] <pitti> cjwatson, stgraber: here?
[21:02] <soren> 20:59  * stgraber waves
[21:02] <soren> 20:59 -!- pitti<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-meeting
[21:02] <cjwatson> hi
[21:02] <soren> Just missed it :)
[21:02] <pitti> ah :)
[21:06] <soren> Who's chairing today?
[21:06] <cjwatson> I was last
[21:06] <cjwatson> So I think pitti is next in rotation
[21:07] <pitti> oh, ok
[21:07] <pitti> #startmeeting
[21:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Feb 18 21:07:18 2013 UTC.  The chair is pitti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:07] <pitti> #topic action review
[21:07] <pitti> (sorry, didn't prepare; wiki said kees)
[21:08] <pitti> no actions that I can see at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard/TeamReports
[21:08] <cjwatson> There was one for me to update the SRU page
[21:08] <pitti> #topic Flavor of UbuntuKylin
[21:08] <cjwatson> Which I did
[21:08] <pitti> oh, I saw that
[21:08] <pitti> right
[21:09] <pitti> JackYu: are you here?
[21:09] <JackYu> Hi, I am Jack from UbuntuKylin team
[21:09]  * pitti was reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuKylin in the meantime
[21:10] <JackYu> Yes, pitti:)
[21:11] <pitti> JackYu: we have had http://china-images.ubuntu.com/ for some time now, but it's fairly undermaintained from what I know; are you aware of this?
[21:11] <stgraber> wiki doc for new flavours is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[21:11] <cjwatson> pitti: (Foundations would like Kylin to supersede china-images)
[21:11] <pitti> JackYu: i. e. is this meant to continue this project, or a completely separate effort?
[21:12]  * soren had never heard of china-images
[21:12] <pitti> ah, so this will use/change/extend the existing customizations and build machinery?
[21:12] <JackYu> Pitti: no, it's a new.
[21:12] <cjwatson> pitti: I wouldn't expect so
[21:12] <soren> JackYu: The wiki page speaks about goals. What is the current state?
[21:12] <cjwatson> china-images more or less works if you basically have nobody maintaining it
[21:12] <cjwatson> That system isn't so good for a full-fledged flavour
[21:12] <cjwatson> The one thing that concerns me in that is the "System Assistant" item - that's the sort of thing that I would say should be done as part of core Ubuntu rather than a flavour, even if it's implemented by Kylin developers (and you should be aware of the previous attempt at something like this, Computer Janitor, which has been removed and we reckon that any subsequent attempt should probably live in Software Center)
[21:13] <pitti> indeed
[21:13] <pitti> I'm also a bit sceptical about fctix, that's something I'd like to discuss
[21:13] <cjwatson> There's no reason why that kind of tool ought to be specific to a locale or a region of the world
[21:13] <cjwatson> Or particularly customised for it
[21:13] <pitti> and "photo handling" also isn't China specific
[21:14] <cjwatson> Right, so worth splitting this out into things that are specific to your flavour, and general problems in the wider Ubuntu project that your developers would like to work on
[21:14] <cjwatson> Both are definitely welcome, but we should only consider the former to be part of UbuntuKylin IMO
[21:14] <soren> JackYu: Just to be clear: These things may be great improvements, they're just..
[21:14] <JackYu> cjwatson: Yes, it should be in Ubuntu, not only for a flavor.
[21:14] <soren> Right, what cjwatson just said :)
[21:15] <pitti> JackYu: do you have a set of proposals and topics for the meeting, or should we just go through one by one?
[21:16] <pitti> ok, so let's just do that then
[21:16] <pitti> = Online Music Search on Dash =
[21:16] <pitti> that's just changing the searched providers, not changing the client?
[21:17] <JackYu> soren: we have finished the goals in UbuntuKyli13.04. packages are in Ubuntu Archive.
[21:17] <pitti> AFAIK this is already country specific, so that sounds straightforward
[21:17] <soren> JackYu: Oh, excellent.
[21:18] <JackYu> pitti: I have sent an email to your maillist...
[21:19] <pitti> I didn't see it yuet
[21:19] <soren> Perhaps stuck in the moderation queue?
[21:19] <pitti> ah, I moderated it now
[21:19] <pitti> JackYu: so is the music search changing the searched servers only, or also the GUI?
[21:21] <JackYu> Pitti: we add a scope to searching Baidu music. Yes, only servers
[21:21] <pitti> thanks
[21:21] <pitti> calendar and weather indicator seem straightforward to me, any questions anyone?
[21:22] <pitti> = input method =
[21:22] <JackYu> Another PM of this team, Anthony from Canonical, is online. He will join:)
[21:22] <pitti> JackYu: why are you using fcitx, OOI? Ubuntu, GNOME, etc. all use ibus
[21:22] <pitti> this seems to be a rather large diversion
[21:23] <JackYu> fcitx is good at Chinese input, as we tested.
[21:24] <JackYu> It provides better intelligent association
[21:25] <pitti> I'm asking because unlike ibus that doesn't have any GUI configuration support in e. g. control-center or the indicator, as these all talk to ibus
[21:26] <pitti> if (and that may well be the case), fcitx is indeed better than sunpinyin or googlepinyin, then IMHO that should become the default in regular Ubuntu as well, but that should be discussed with e. g. GNOME and the desktop team
[21:27] <pitti> JackYu: perhaps you can update the wiki page with the pros and cons, and how that affects configuration, indicators, the language selector, and so on?
[21:27] <ypwong> pitti, for gui, I think JackYu plans to do that for fcitx post 13.04
[21:28] <ypwong> agree to put the pros and cons on wiki, action for JackYu
[21:28] <JackYu> Yes, we are going to do some work on fcitx.
[21:28] <pitti> #action JackYu to document reasons for switching to fcitx, and impact on control center, indicators, application support
[21:28] <meetingology> ACTION: JackYu to document reasons for switching to fcitx, and impact on control center, indicators, application support
[21:29] <JackYu> pitti: OK, thanks.
[21:29] <pitti> JackYu: also, please note that just like fcitx, ibus also has several modules such as various pinyin flavours; they changed several times in the past, but they all use the common ibus API for configuration and switching between them
[21:29] <pitti> = WPS =
[21:30] <pitti> that sounds like "MS Works", is it really that, or something different?
[21:30] <pitti> i. e. you're not using LibreOffice?
[21:30] <JackYu> It is a Chinese office tools
[21:31] <ypwong> pitti, it's a complete office suite, but proprietary
[21:31] <JackYu> by Kingsoft Corp. of China
[21:31] <cjwatson> So this is interoperability with it, rather than shipping it?
[21:31] <pitti> ypwong: i. e. you want to ship import/export filters for LibO, or provide a WPS installer and drop LibO?
[21:31] <ypwong> there's talks with the company to put it on software center
[21:31] <pitti> I think this could also be clarified on the wiki
[21:32] <cjwatson> I really question shipping proprietary software as the preferred option (even via an installer) in a recognised Ubuntu flavour
[21:32] <cjwatson> Even if it's the preferred local option, it dilutes the Ubuntu brand rather badly
[21:32] <cjwatson> If it's not presented as the preferred option I'm not so concerned
[21:33] <pitti> yeah, same here; we still present Ubuntu as "all free software"
[21:33] <pitti> s/still//
[21:34] <JackYu> There is a link on desktop to download WPS, not pre-installed.
[21:34] <ypwong> we are thinking it's like suggesting codecs or binary drivers vs free ones in ubuntu
[21:35] <cjwatson> It's not - drivers occupy an explicitly different status
[21:35] <pitti> no, it's not like drivers
[21:35] <cjwatson> We have always treated proprietary applications quite differently
[21:35] <pitti> drivers allow you to use free software/ubuntu at all
[21:36] <pitti> I think it's fine to add it to SC for easy installation, we do that with plenty of software; but I feel that presenting it as something which most users will just click anyway is the wrong direction
[21:36] <ypwong> LibO won't be dropped, it should still be installed by default in ubuntukylin 13.04. JackYu am I correct?
[21:36] <cjwatson> TBH having a link on the desktop is something of a concern to me as well.  I don't think we necessarily need to resolve it in this meeting, but I'd like to feel confident that the people running a new flavour share our general position on free software
[21:36] <JackYu> Yes, LibO is default.
[21:37] <cjwatson> We don't want to position Ubuntu as just a cheap way to get hold of proprietary software - it's meant to be a quality product in itself and I think our flavours should be proud of the free software in the archive
[21:37] <cjwatson> If you see what I mean
[21:37] <cjwatson> (Agreed regarding adding things to Software Center for easy installation)
[21:38] <JackYu> cjwatson: Yes, I got.
[21:39] <pitti> as for the other points, we already discussed the system assistant, same with photo handling
[21:39] <cjwatson> Then let's make sure its status is clear in UbuntuKylin documentation too - I didn't get the proprietary bit at all from the wiki page
[21:39] <pitti> the other points seem like genuine localization to me; opinions?
[21:40] <cjwatson> Me too
[21:40] <pitti> ACTION: JackYu to clarify on the wiki page what WPS is and how it's going to be integrated
[21:40] <pitti> JackYu: ^ sounds ok?
[21:40] <JackYu> sure.
[21:41] <pitti> JackYu: for the record, we were picking on the unclear bits, which might have sounded a bit negative; thanks for working on this project, it's really quite appreciated that some actual Chinese developers are taking this up!
[21:42] <cjwatson> Yeah, the existing images have mostly been maintained by non-Chinese people, which is ... not ideal
[21:42] <JackYu> Thanks your suggestions:)
[21:43] <pitti> ypwong, JackYu, soren, stgraber: do you see anything else which we need to discuss still?
[21:43] <cjwatson> And I agree that the customary facilities people in China expect to be available in their OS appear to be sufficiently divergent from what we ship elsewhere that it's worth a separate flavour
[21:43] <soren> pitti: No, I think this is good for now.
[21:43] <stgraber> pitti: well, I think we ought to go through the current requirements for flavours and decide whether we make an exception for this one and if so, set some conditions around that
[21:44] <cjwatson> I have a latent concern about the possibility of lots of localised flavours and scaling problems arising from that - but TBH China appears to be the most complex and divergent case and I'm not seeing the same pressures elsehere
[21:44] <JackYu> The default-settings and theme packages are also prepared.
[21:44] <cjwatson> There are a few things still in NEW
[21:44] <cjwatson> But that's not your fault :-)
[21:44] <ypwong> cjwatson, good that you see the point of this flavor :)
[21:45] <ypwong> cjwatson, yes, the default-settings still in NEW
[21:45] <stgraber> I definitely apprecaite having someone work on the Chinese images and getting that rolling as a real flavour, however as far as I can tell, none of the people in this meeting are Ubuntu members, none of which have upload rights and most of which haven't even signed the CoC
[21:45] <pitti> stgraber: I'm still not quite clear about fcitx vs. ibus, and I'm assuming that the WPS situation will be clarified; do you see other major exceptions from the general understanding of what a localized flavour is?
[21:45] <stgraber> so I guess I want to discuss who's going to be responsible for the flavour
[21:45] <stgraber> if that's Canonical Foundations through slangasek, I'm happy with it, if not, I can't +1 this in its current state
[21:46] <pitti> stgraber: oh, you mean the community structure, not the technical aspects?
[21:46] <stgraber> righ
[21:46] <stgraber> *right
[21:46] <pitti> my gut feeling is that membership needs to come during doing actual work on Kylin here
[21:46] <cjwatson> slangasek has expressed to me (er, [1] personal communication) a general willingness to see this through and a request for Foundations to generally help out
[21:47] <stgraber> I perfectly agree with what was said earlier as to what should be included in the flavour and I definitely agree with the goal behind the flavour. I'm just concerned about who will be responsible for it
[21:47] <cjwatson> I do think you absolutely ought to be aiming for at least two developers with upload rights on their own behalf
[21:47] <pitti> past experience didn't show that maintaining the Chinese flavour from the existing ~ubuntu-dev team has worked well
[21:48] <cjwatson> I think this is the first new flavour since we wrote/approved RecognizedFlavours?
[21:48] <stgraber> what the TB and canonical agreed on for flavours was that leading members would need to have the CoC signed, one or more developers have upload rights, show 6 months activity and have a QA contact
[21:48] <cjwatson> I'd suggest that we ought to start by ensuring that the criteria from "Guidelines to have an image added to the dailies" are met, and that "Guidelines to become and remain a recognized flavor" are on track
[21:48] <stgraber> cjwatson: I think so, yes, we used the document to approve LTS status but not to approve new flavours
[21:48] <cjwatson> (It's a bit unclear, reading it in this light)
[21:48] <pitti> signing the CoC is certainly something that can be done quickly at leats?
[21:48] <pitti> least
[21:49] <cjwatson> But you clearly can't establish a "track record" until you've been going for a while
[21:49] <stgraber> so I'm generally happy to ignore some of those conditions on the basis that the Foundations team will be responsible for the flavour and that this responsability will be transferred to a separate Kylin team once they meet the criteria
[21:50] <pitti> stgraber: I understand "responsible" in the sense of mentoring and perhaps sponsoring here?
[21:50] <JackYu> Stgraber: It seems that Members from NUDT have signed the CoC.
[21:51] <stgraber> pitti: right, mentoring, help with release management and sponsoring
[21:51] <cjwatson> I think we can check off most of the "dailies" items; 1) is what we're talking about now, 2) is underway, 3) means that JackYu and ypwong should ensure that some appropriate team is subscribed to bugs on all the relevant packages, 4) I can say that we have plenty of image publishing space right now without needing to explicitly check with IS, 5) that can be somebody from Foundations and I can check up with slangasek on ...
[21:51] <cjwatson> ... it tomorrow, 6) ...
[21:52] <stgraber> pitti: then in 6 months (to meet the time criteria), we can re-evaluate and then have the Kylin team be fully responsible for it assuming they have enough uploaders, QA, release contact people by then familiar with our processes
[21:52] <cjwatson> "Community member lined up to test image and provide feedback at milestones"  what do NUDT/UbuntuKylin's QA plans look like?
[21:52] <pitti> sorry, what is NUDT?
[21:52] <stgraber> hehe, was about to ask the same question ;)
[21:52] <pitti> stgraber: sounds good to me, too
[21:53] <pitti> (trying to pronounce the acronym really doesn't help clarifying..)
[21:53] <ypwong> let me describe what has been done so far: we've been talking with JackYu for several months about this flavour idea, now JackYu's and his team do the coding, seb128/slangasek/et al helped reviewed their work and upload them
[21:53] <cjwatson> National University of Defense Technology, says google
[21:54] <pitti> ok, we have to hurry up a bi
[21:54] <ypwong> cjwatson, right, JackYu's team mostly from the university
[21:54] <pitti> t
[21:54] <stgraber> JackYu: you didn't sign it according to Launchpad, which is a bit troubling for someone who wants to become a flavour lead ;)
[21:54]  * stgraber checks that LP isn't lying
[21:55] <pitti> JackYu, ypwong: can we review this again in two weeks, when we have above clarifications, CoC signed, etc?
[21:55] <JackYu> Oh, if not, I will do it soon.
[21:55] <pitti> ACTION: JackYu and ypwong to sort out CoC signing
[21:56] <pitti> JackYu, ypwong: thanks for attending!
[21:56] <ypwong> pitti, I'm ok with that, how about you, JackYu?
[21:56] <JackYu> OK. Thank you.
[21:56] <cjwatson> JackYu: If you folks haven't already been discussing daily building of images with slangasek, feel free to do so with me
[21:57] <pitti> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed
[21:57] <pitti> # topic SRU Minor Release Exception for Ceph
[21:57] <cjwatson> (Perhaps at a more sociable time for both of us, if I'm guessing your timezone correctly)
[21:57] <pitti> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-February/001475.html
[21:57] <pitti> can we move this to email?
[21:57] <JackYu> cjwatson: Sure. Thanks.
[21:57] <cjwatson> pitti: I will confess I haven't really absorbed that one yet
[21:57] <pitti> reviewing the details of this will be too tight for the remaining 3 mins, I think; or did someone already?
[21:57] <stgraber> I guess I'll be talking with slangasek on whether he'd be happy to be a temporary flavour lead for Kylin (or have Foundations do that) until they are familiar enough with everything and have upload rights to do all that themselves
[21:58] <pitti> ok, so let's move that to mail
[21:59] <pitti> nothing else on the ML that I can see
[21:59] <pitti> #topic chair for next meeting
[21:59] <pitti> continuing with kees
[21:59] <pitti> ?
[21:59] <pitti> #topic AOB
[21:59] <pitti> anyone?
[22:00] <stgraber> yeah, I guess we can continue with kees, mdz then skip you (if we remember ;))
[22:00] <pitti> 10 secs
[22:00]  * pitti rings the bell, thanks everyone!
[22:00] <cjwatson> thanks!
[22:00] <stgraber> pitti: thanks for chairing!
[22:00] <soren> ta
[22:00] <soren> o/
[22:01] <ypwong> thanks everyone
[22:01]  * ypwong goes back to bed
[22:02] <pitti> bonne nuit tout le monde
[22:02] <stgraber> pitti: bonne nuit
[22:14] <JackYu> Thanks, all. goes back to bed too:)


[00:30] <faflatas> Hello, "preferred applications" seems to fail to recognise chromium browser (only shows firefox and chrome), any way to fix that ?
[02:15] <ArchBeOS> So I've heard some FUD surrounding Lubuntu and Mir. Should I, as a user, be concerned?
[02:38] <Unit193> Too early to tell.
[03:44] <leludallasmultip> I am using Lubuntu 13.10 as a live booted OS from a USB key. Is there any way that I can save my preferences/ application settings so that the next time I boot up using the live usb function that I can have all of my setting like the last way I used them? Thank you.
[04:09] <Unit193> qwebirc8925: 13.10? Or 13.04?  .10 is very early development...
[04:09] <Unit193> !persistence
[04:10] <qwebirc8925> thank you
[04:10] <qwebirc8925> and .04 my bad
[04:10] <Unit193> Sure, and that makes more sense. :)
[04:10] <qwebirc8925> :)
[17:12] <CrazyRussianBear> Can any body tell how to add VPN PPTP in lubuntu?
[17:13] <holstein> !vpn
[17:13] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: it'll be very similar in all the buntu's.. though the gui's may vary
[17:14] <CrazyRussianBear> In GUI I tried, but there isn't any field or smt there I can choose PPTP
[17:16] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: you are referring to the link i gave?
[17:17] <CrazyRussianBear> Is it can be installed without Internet&
[17:18] <CrazyRussianBear> I mean Can It be installed without Internet ?
[17:18] <CrazyRussianBear> Sorry for my English
[17:19] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: you'll need the internect to access a VPN
[17:19] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: i would say , the easy way would be to connect temporarily and sort it out
[17:20] <CrazyRussianBear> As for xubuntu is there already installed all these vpn features?
[17:21] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: everything is easily installable
[17:21] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: i would refer to the link i gave
[17:21] <holstein> !vpn | CrazyRussianBear this should give you all the information you need for *any* ubuntu version
[17:23] <CrazyRussianBear> I got it. But as you mentioned above I need an Internet to make this command "sudo apt-get install network-manager-pptp" ?Was I understand you clear? Or maybe I wrong
[17:24] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: you will need internet to access a VPN, so why not just have the connection to install the packages?
[17:24] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: there are ways to install packages by downloading them onto another machine...
[17:24] <holstein> what would i do? just plug in, if only temporarily.. so the "easy way" commands work
[17:25] <holstein> i cant imagine needing a VPN connection when not having an internet connection
[17:27] <CrazyRussianBear> My provider use simple network connection and automaticly send me all settings (ip, gateway and etc) in according to my MAC. And then to access to INternet I need to make an VPN connection you know.
[17:28] <holstein> sure.. *over* an internet connection
[17:28] <holstein> so, over that internet connection, install the packages
[17:29] <CrazyRussianBear> Surely I'll donwload packege in this computer and install on another
[17:30] <holstein> sure
[17:30] <holstein> that would be "the hard way"
[17:31] <holstein> if you can only temporarily hook up to the internet that you *must* have for the VPN to work anyway.. that will make things easier
[17:33] <CrazyRussianBear> The problem is that the computer there I have to set VPN is in another place and there isn't any other Internet connections
[17:34] <holstein> then, you will *not* be able to connect to the vpn
[17:35] <CrazyRussianBear> http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/NetworkManager/0.9/ I have to download that?
[17:37] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: whatever the link suggests you need
[17:39] <CrazyRussianBear> The link that you gave or mine?
[17:40] <holstein> !vpn
[17:42] <CrazyRussianBear> i don't have internet connection to get that plugin
[17:43] <holstein> CrazyRussianBear: then, you dont have a connection to connect to a VPN
[17:44] <CrazyRussianBear> It's like coterie. I need the internet to install  plugin to have internet.  That for you help
[17:47] <holstein> sure.. good luck!
[20:37] <jxshxx> Howdy! Just installed 13.04, then removed a few things I did not need and updated.  On reboot, my mouse pointer is working ... but invisible.
[20:44] <jxshxx> I'd like to be able to see it.  How can I bring it back?
[20:45] <phillw> jxshxx: what did you remove?
[20:47] <jxshxx> I remember taking out a Simple Scan, a video player, a couple Open Box somethings, Bluetooth configuration ...
[20:49] <phillw> jxshxx: the openbox ones will be the one that made the pointer invisible :)
[20:50] <jxshxx> Okay.  Thought that was a totally separate UI
[20:51] <phillw> open box looks after the screen stuff (amongst other tasks)
[20:51] <phillw> jxshxx: if it were not needed, it would not be in lubuntu :)
[20:52] <jxshxx> I am gratefully chastised
[20:53] <phillw> lol, heck, breaking things is the best way to learn (So I keep telling myself :P )
[20:54] <jxshxx> Then I shall learn many things, indeed ...
[20:56] <jxshxx> Manged to find my way into the software center and install openbox.   It is a delight to see someone start upon that path.... Give it a few months and you will be able to help the newcomers, that's a good day when it happens :)
[21:49] <calimero82> Hello
[21:51] <calimero82> I m installing lubu 12.10, i should restart manually or is automatic?
[21:54] <phillw> calimero82: when completed, it should ask you to eject the install media.
[21:55] <calimero82> It s on usb
[21:55] <calimero82> Not in cd
[21:56] <calimero82> It s written: caught signal 15, shutting down
[21:57] <calimero82> But nothing happening
[21:57] <calimero82> What should i do?


[02:02] <muka> looks like terminal in devel-proposed channel is missing CTRL +X key. this is needed to save file in nano, or better yet, there should be CTRL + 'any key pressed' option available so users can select it as needed.
[02:05] <muka> but other than that I like the new terminal much better! Good job.
[02:41] <muka> will  notify-send work on touch?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> someone got a link to show what changed in updates of devel-proposed?
[06:01] <nhaines> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg11711.html
[06:02] <nhaines> They're published daily.
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: thank you mate
[06:03] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: next week we should get a new OTA and then a couple weeks after that, we might get the first vivid OTA.  :)  Lots and lots of work for vivid before then, though.
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> whats OTA?
[06:04] <nhaines> "Over-The-Air"
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> and that means what exactly
[06:05] <nhaines> It means anything that isn't when someone plugs their phone into a computer via USB and starts messing with things.
[06:06] <nhaines> It's what happens when you take an unmodified retail phone and update it.
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> i see
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> i saw the new external media icon show up, and tought: i wanna see a list of internal changes :p
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> almost daily system updates on devel-proposed
[06:08] <nhaines> Is there a new icon for that?
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> few days before it was a HD icon, now its an SD card icon
[06:09] <nhaines> Ah, I hadn't noticed.
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> i like the new changes :p
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> the 1 notification on system settings in sidebar when there's a new update
[06:10] <nhaines> I've literally never gotten that type of notification for updates.
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: on wich channel are you?
[06:11] <nhaines> ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> ah, im on devel-proposed
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> on nexus7
[06:12] <nhaines> Nexus 5 for me.
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: you also got dailty updates?
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> daily
[06:13] <nhaines> Nope.  Every two weeks or so.
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: maybe thats why you dont see the things that changed, from devel-proposed?
[06:14] <nhaines> So much the better.  I can't afford to set up my phone again every time devel-proposed breaks.
[06:14] <nhaines> I'm considering getting a Nexus 7.  Although I'd sort of like some reassurance that anything's going to happen with tablet mode.
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> well im very happy with tablet on devel-proposed myself
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> not sure if that will work the same on n7
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> i bought the n7 specially for ubuntu touch
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> and proposed works best now on it
[08:59] <bala> is there any one??
[09:12] <AskUbuntu> Mobile Internet on Ubuntu bq aquaris doesn't work | http://askubuntu.com/q/602682
[09:15] <bala> recovery.img && boot.img were too lagre to flash
[09:26] <AskUbuntu> How to add a new keyboard layout to Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602690
[10:16] <AskUbuntu> Google Talk on ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/602702
[10:30] <AskUbuntu> Where to report a bug/feature for the Today scope of Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602703
[10:44] <AskUbuntu> How to share a file on bluetooth with Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602705
[10:54] <Dragonkeeper> anyone here have the bq phone and live in london, using giffgaff  ?
[10:57] <studio_> hi
[10:58] <Dragonkeeper> o/
[10:59] <studio_> i have a question about the kernel for the bq e4.5. where is the different between rtm and master in the git?
[11:00]  * Dragonkeeper shrugs
[11:01] <taiebot> Dragonkeeper: what's your problem? i suppose its to do with 3g connectivity?
[11:02] <Dragonkeeper> i keep getting dropped data connection , or dropped connection alltogether with sim name label 'denied'
[11:03] <Dragonkeeper> i paid for a 3g package specifically for this phone
[11:04] <taiebot> Dragonkeeper: Have you notice similar things with another phone. It could be your location?
[11:05] <Dragonkeeper> taiebot: data speed sucks on other phones too but connection doesnt drop.  but on other hand if i use my three sim in bq phone data is fast and works fine. but i want the giffgaff sim in this phone n its just a headache
[11:06] <taiebot> Dragonkeeper: looks like you are too far from the gsm antenna with giffgaff network. I suppose this happens when you are at home.
[11:07] <Dragonkeeper> taiebot: yeah im at home. but my signal bars are full and area coverage says my house should have great signal .
[11:08] <Dragonkeeper> even if i was too far. doesnt explain why sim says denied when using data
[11:09]  * Dragonkeeper wonders if its because its ubuntu they think im tethering
[11:11] <taiebot> Dragonkeeper: mm i am also having  issues with my gsm-provider and get the denied message when i am abroad. Cannot call or text pretty annoying but i do not think its related.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1323837
[11:12] <taiebot> Dragonkeeper you did activate your sim?
[11:13] <Dragonkeeper> taiebot: yeah i paid for unlimited data  (i dont use roaming mode)
[11:14] <taiebot> Dragonkeeper: You should use roaming mode in the UK but not abroad.
[11:14] <Dragonkeeper> taiebot: how come?
[11:15] <CereS2009> Hi, i have ubuntu touch installed on nexus 4, r154. However i can't get sound to work. Is there something i forgot to flash?
[11:16] <taiebot> dragonkeeper: I think giffgaff is a virtual  gsm provider they use different providers antenna.
[11:17] <Dragonkeeper> taiebot: i know they use o2 connection, but also thought roaming to different networks wants to  incur charges
[11:17] <taiebot> Dragonkeeper. that's abroad but not in the uk.
[11:18] <taiebot> Dragonkeeper: well that is my understanding but always did this and never got charged extra
[11:20] <Dragonkeeper> taiebot: ill attempt it but just think ill get alot of lag as it denys then jumps and denys  lol
[11:24] <taiebot> Dragonkeeper there is also quite a few bugs in network connectivity at the moment. hopefully they will be ironed out because they are the most annoying ones.
[11:25] <Dragonkeeper> taiebot: yeah its exactly whats happening. i will leave it as it while im working tomorrow , as ill be moving around london area alot, it could just be the area . but as i say , my three network sim works fine o.O
[11:28] <Dragonkeeper> i also think i have a problem with apparmor
[11:32] <studio_> bbl, bye
[11:37]  * Dragonkeeper reboots
[11:57] <Dragonkeeper> is it possible to add a android runtime layer into ubuntu touch that will use all of the hardware, to run apps that cant be ported?
[11:58] <Talustus> why running ubuntu then?
[12:00] <studio_> back
[12:00] <AskUbuntu> Location of edited text files on Ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/602727
[12:01] <nhaines> There should not be apps that cannot be ported.
[12:01] <studio_> how do i set the bq e4.5 ubuntu-edition into fastboot?
[12:01] <Dragonkeeper> if you cant get hold of source code there is  lol
[12:01] <nhaines> If you do not have the rights to a program you cannot port it.
[12:02] <nhaines> In any case, a runtime layer might be possible but would be a massive amount of work.  I do not know that anyone is investing their time on one.
[12:03] <Dragonkeeper> sounds like ill be carrying 2 phones around for a bit longer then
[12:09] <Dragonkeeper> ubuntu store should have a 'apps added this week' tab . so we can see new things people have made
[12:16] <studio_> cool, i was able to flash my own kernel :)))
[12:18] <Dragonkeeper> anyone using qvba-m successfully?
[12:21] <Dragonkeeper> im getting apparmor=DENIED in dmesg   and rom section of screen is just white
[12:23] <Dragonkeeper> scratch that , i get denied on all apps it seems , even ones that work . hmm
[12:59] <dragonkeeper> would be nice if the data icon turned green or orange if data was recieving or sending , like the notifications does when u get a message
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> dragonkeeper: i think you can submit ideas somewhere
[13:00] <adrian47> [   11.021667] initrd: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p27 as /root/android//cache
[13:01] <adrian47> this double dash is normal?
[13:01] <dragonkeeper> yeah im not sure exactly where lotuspsychje
[13:01] <lotuspsychje> not sure if its on brainstorm ubuntu, or launchpad bug
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> dragonkeeper: maybe through the mailing list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute
[13:07] <dragonkeeper> hmm mail list seems like best idea so far
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> dragonkeeper: yeah good ideas will sure come up on there
[13:17] <Wardster> hi guys im running 15. 04r1 on my nexus 7 is there update to that available
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> Wardster: wich channel are you on mate?
[13:18] <Wardster> devel I think :)
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> Wardster: its reccomended to install devel-proposed on nexus7
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> Wardster: then you will receiver recent updates
[13:19] <Wardster> ah OK sweet thankyou :)
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> Wardster: try the same as you installed with devel-proposed this time
[13:23] <studio_> back
[13:24] <studio_> how to add a new user to ubuntu-touch?
[13:28] <dragonkeeper> terminal $ sudo su    $  useradd      ?
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> dont think that will work on touch
[13:29] <studio_> that's my problem :(
[13:29] <studio_> so it is not possible?
[13:29] <dragonkeeper> dunno but the command is there
[13:29] <studio_> yupp
[13:29] <studio_> but how to switch via UI ?
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> dir is locked on touch, so i dont think its possible
[13:31] <studio_> "sudo mount -o remount,rw /" is working, but i am "hanging" on for exp. "sudo adduser test"
[13:31] <dragonkeeper> is there a way to get a dark theme for main screen  .  not a great fan of the white
[13:31] <nhaines> No.
[13:32] <Sebsebsebb> Hi two things...
[13:33] <Sebsebsebb> On the bq Ubuntu phone....
[13:33] <studio_> lotuspsychje, any idea?
[13:36] <studio_> dragonkeeper, try to figure out how themes are working on UT and after that pleae give me an advice :)
[13:37] <studio_> i gave up with these themes ...
[13:37] <dragonkeeper> studio_, im going to assume the theme is in the ro part
[13:38] <dragonkeeper> i heard changing root to rw disables ota
[13:38] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch .... how do you change the wallpaper? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602745
[13:38] <studio_> "sudo mount -o remount,rw /"
[13:39] <studio_> i still get ota
[13:39] <dragonkeeper> studio_, what device ?
[13:39] <studio_> bq
[13:39] <dragonkeeper> ah okay
[13:40] <studio_> but i do not use rtm-channel
[13:40] <Sebsebsebb> How come unpicking send diagnostics has it turning itself back on after a whike on bq Ubuntu phone? Also how come changeling the setting to lock the screen with. The in bet code from the detail 1 minute to 10 minutes doesn't then make it lock after 10?
[13:41] <Sebsebsebb> Uh tablet text mistakes
[13:42] <studio_> so, no chance in the moment to add a user and switch on UI ?
[13:43] <dragonkeeper> doesnt look like it
[13:44] <studio_> that must be fixed ...
[13:46] <dragonkeeper> probs will be, but doesnt sound high priority  . only reason i cant think of multi user is if a kid was playing with it. i wouldnt let a child play with my bq phone xD
[13:47] <studio_> phablet for all UT devices as "default" user is "not good" ... to try a for exp. a 4-pin password like "0000" will be too easy, isn't it?
[13:50] <dragonkeeper> use a passphrase ?
[13:50] <studio_> user is the same
[13:51] <studio_> ok, other way, how to disable user "phablet" ?
[13:52] <dragonkeeper> sudo usermod -l studio_ phablet
[13:52] <dragonkeeper> maybe
[13:53] <dragonkeeper> change name but should keep the home dir the same
[13:54] <studio_> but first i need to add another user for exp. "my_phone" or "test" to make that user later as default user :(
[13:57] <dragonkeeper> mkdir /home/phablet/newuser  && sudo useradd -D -m -d /home/phablet/newuser newuser && mkdir {documents,pictures,ect..}
[13:57] <dragonkeeper> then figure out how to change default login ?
[13:58] <dragonkeeper> then change the phablets name to something else so a random cant login
[14:04] <studio_> dragonkeeper, why " /home/phablet/..."? phablet is the default user?!
[14:05] <dragonkeeper> because of above mentioning locked dir to user. but i suppose you could dump on sdcard as well
[14:07] <dragonkeeper> experiment with it and report back :)
[14:24] <studio_> how to show user phablet and its groups? i need that for an example to add a new user.
[14:25] <dragonkeeper> $ groups
[14:26] <studio_> oha ...
[14:26] <studio_> phablet is also a group?
[14:27] <dragonkeeper> users have there own group too by default
[14:27] <studio_> so "adm tty dialout cdrom sudo dip video plugdev radio bluetooth android_graphics android_input audio android_media sdcard_rw gps android_cache android_net3 android_net android_net2 android_nvram" is enough?
[14:28] <dragonkeeper> i assume so, if thats all phablet is in
[14:28] <studio_> will try ...
[14:28] <AskUbuntu> Is it possible to mount samba shares with ubuntu touch (bq aquaris 4.5)? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602754
[14:30] <Talustus> anyone has an idea what may causes this?
[14:30] <Talustus> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/init
[14:30] <Talustus> Illegal instruction
[14:30] <Talustus> sounds like wrong toolchain for me but when running on recovery with system mounted it is executable
[14:30] <Talustus> so missing libs? or such?
[14:32] <Talustus> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# /system/xbin/busybox
[14:32] <Talustus> Illegal instruction
[14:32] <Talustus> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# file /system/xbin/busybox
[14:32] <studio_> dragonkeeper, i need some assit, is "sudo adduser telefon adm tty dialout cdrom sudo dip video plugdev radio bluetooth android_graphics android_input audio android_media sdcard_rw gps android_cache android_net3 android_net android_net2 android_nvram" the right way to add the user "telefon" to users?
[14:33] <Talustus> system/xbin/busybox: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[14:33] <Talustus> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ldd /system/xbin/busybox
[14:33] <Talustus> not a dynamic executable
[14:33] <Talustus> funny one
[14:35] <dragonkeeper> studio_, sudo adduser username group1,groups2,group3,ect..
[14:35] <studio_> dragonkeeper, as i wrote .., isn't it?
[14:35]  * dragonkeeper double checks
[14:36] <studio_> telefon is the user, other are the groups ...
[14:37] <studio_> maybe telefon is a stupid username ...
[14:39] <studio_> hi orga_ :)
[14:39] <dragonkeeper> sudo useradd -D -m -d /home/path -G group1,group2,group3 telefon
[14:39] <dragonkeeper> i would do it like that studio_
[14:41] <studio_> dragonkeeper, i do not understand, sorry, i am using the german "how-to" on "http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/adduser"
[14:42] <studio_> is there something like that in english?
[14:43] <studio_> is useradd different to adduser ??? sorry, i am confused ...
[14:43] <dragonkeeper> yeah slightly
[14:44] <dragonkeeper> run  --help argument on each for useage
[14:45] <Guest44749> hi
[14:46] <Guest44749> anybody know if it is possible to use the ubuntu phone to create a wifi hotspot?
[14:47] <Guest44749> sharing your 3g using your wifi connection
[14:48] <dragonkeeper> not that ive seen on ui . maybe cli ?  or cli setup usb tether ?
[14:50] <Guest44749> yep, i need usb tethering and nothing on the phone gui
[14:50] <studio_> sudo useradd -D -m -d /home/telefon -G adm tty,dialout,cdrom,sudo,dip,video,plugdev,radio,bluetooth,android_graphics,android_input,audio,android_media,sdcard_rw,gps,android_cache,android_net3,android_net,android_net2 telefon is not working
[14:51] <dragonkeeper> ada tty  needs comma ,
[14:52] <studio_> same with "sudo useradd -D -m -d /home/telefon -G adm,tty,dialout,cdrom,sudo,dip,video,plugdev,radio,bluetooth,android_graphics,android_input,audio,android_media,sdcard_rw,gps,android_cache,android_net3,android_net,android_net2 telefon"
[14:52] <dragonkeeper> error?
[14:52] <studio_> get help list
[14:53] <dragonkeeper> Guest44749, unsure how to tether but i got a method to reverse tether
[14:53] <Guest44749> dragonkeeper: reverse tether?
[14:54] <dragonkeeper> phone uses pc connection
[14:54] <AskUbuntu> ubuntuphone does not connect to ubuntu desktop | http://askubuntu.com/q/602760
[14:54] <dragonkeeper> studio_, eh not sure , try without -D
[14:56] <studio_> what is the normal way as root to change the password for a user?
[14:56] <dragonkeeper> passwd telefon
[14:56] <studio_> ok
[14:57] <dragonkeeper> i prefer this theme on my s4 port http://oi42.tinypic.com/2dam3iu.jpg  why did it change
[15:01] <studio_> i do not understand this: "adduser telefon
[15:01] <studio_> Adding user `telefon' ...
[15:01] <studio_> Adding new group `telefon' (1007) ...
[15:01] <studio_> Adding new user `telefon' (1003) with group `telefon' ...
[15:01] <studio_> Creating home directory `/home/telefon' ...
[15:01] <studio_> Copying files from `/etc/skel' ...
[15:01] <studio_> passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
[15:01] <studio_> passwd: password unchanged
[15:01] <studio_> Try again? [y/N]" :(
[15:03] <dragonkeeper> use 4 digit number as pass / same as pincode
[15:04] <studio_> i do not unterstand y/N, because i am root
[15:05] <dragonkeeper> y = yes N = no  its a question
[15:05] <studio_> y is a loop
[15:05] <dragonkeeper> hmm
[15:06] <dragonkeeper> try with no pass
[15:06] <EdwardMorbius> hi, anyone knows how much time keyserver.ubuntu.com needs to propagate a key before fingerprint  can be used on launchpad?
[15:07] <studio_> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[15:07] <studio_> 	Full Name []: telefon
[15:07] <studio_> 	Room Number []:  ?
[15:09] <dragonkeeper> think thats just user info right?
[15:09] <studio_> dunno :(
[15:09] <studio_> description would be nice ...
[15:09] <dragonkeeper> try a 0
[15:10] <studio_> "0" ok, next : 	Work Phone []:
[15:10] <dragonkeeper> phone number i guess
[15:11] <Tassadar> just press enter and don't fill in anything
[15:11] <studio_> ok, i confirmed everything with "0"
[15:12] <studio_> and now, how to set the password for telefon?
[15:12] <dragonkeeper> passwd telefon
[15:13] <studio_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/home# passwd telefon
[15:13] <studio_> passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
[15:13] <studio_> passwd: password unchanged
[15:13] <studio_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/home#
[15:13] <Tassadar> those tools might now work correctly with the way ubuntu touch rootfs is organized
[15:14] <Tassadar> not sure though, let's ping somebody who might know! ogra_ ^^
[15:21] <studio_> Tassadar, i am the first one who try to add a new user? cool, it is a premiere :)
[15:26] <studio_> btw. deluser --remove-home telefon needs to install "sudo apt-get install perl-modules"
[15:36] <taree> Hi, I'm trying to set up the SDK, and I think I've done everything according to the online documentation/guide, but when I try to run the template HTML5 project in an emulator, I get a stream of error messages: libust[25833/25935]: Error: Error opening shm /lttng-ust-wait-5 (in get_wait_shm() at lttng-ust-comm.c:886) there is a bug report in launchpad about this, but it's old so I'm figuring there is a way around this or it would have
[15:43] <dragonkeeper> will UT support overlays ?
[15:44] <dragonkeeper> e.g on android , facebook chat heads  or youtube video playing while you browse
[15:47] <g105b> dragonkeeper: no
[15:48] <g105b> dragonkeeper: that kind of interactive chat can be achieved with the interactive notification drawer
[15:48] <g105b> (without having to switch apps)
[15:49] <dragonkeeper> i see
[16:04] <Elleo> nik90: pushed a new version of podbird to the store :)
[16:04] <nik90> Elleo: wow, awesome1
[16:06] <dragonkeeper> n i cant even get on with the sdk lol
[16:06] <nik90> Elleo: I will try having a go at auto-downloading latest episodes done although I guess it might need some prerequisite features done like a separate page which shows all the new episodes of podcasts that the user has subscribed to and so on.
[16:08] <Elleo> nik90: cool; I'm going to put aside some time over the easter weekend to try and get some of the infrastructure setup for all the nifty server side features I have planned (like notifications, suggestions, charts, etc.)
[16:09] <Elleo> nik90: lots of fun to be had there once the boring work is done on it :P
[16:09] <nik90> Elleo: yes indeed :)
[16:10] <nik90> Elleo: I am hoping to achieve feature parity with android podcast managers by v1.0 which I think will be possible
[16:11] <Elleo> nik90: yeah, seems like a good target
[16:31]  * AlanBell struggles with cross compiling
[16:31] <AlanBell> anyone got any clue how to compile something (lighttpd in this instance) on Ubuntu and get it to run on the phone?
[16:32] <AlanBell> I *think* I compiled it and file seems to think it is an ARM binary, but running it on the phone I get -bash: ./lighttpd: No such file or directory
[16:33] <AlanBell> which isn't really the error message I was expecting. Home doesn't appear to be mounted noexec, I dunno if there is some other permissions thing preventing me attempting to execute stuff (systemd??)
[16:34] <AlanBell> configure commands appear to be mostly based on guesswork and googling other people's failed support questions, so far I have:
[16:34] <AlanBell> ./configure -prefix=/home/phablet/opt/uk.co.libertus.lighttpd -host=arm-linux-gnueabi CC=arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc  RANLIB=arm-linux-gnueabi-ranlib STRIP=arm-linux-gnueabi-strip --without-zlib --without-bzip2 --without-pcre --enable-static=yes --enable-shared=no
[16:35] <AlanBell> I have no clue what most of that means, but after installing a bunch of gcc things like  gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf and gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi it seems to build an arm binary
[16:48] <crazyandroider> so i tried installing ubuntu on android and it didn'[t install I was wondering if anyone can help me, I have dl'ed complete linux installation, android vnc, and terminal emulator. when i click start linux i get an erorr. Unfortunately complete Linux installer has stopped
[16:48] <crazyandroider> I was wondering if anyone can tell me what am i doing wrong?
[16:48] <crazyandroider> I created  ubuntu folder as well
[16:49] <dragonkeeper> complete linux the android app ?
[16:50] <crazyandroider> yes
[16:50] <crazyandroider> installer*
[16:50] <dragonkeeper> this is ubuntu-touch  ask in #android
[16:54] <crazyandroider> ubuntu directed me here
[16:57] <crazyandroider> because i am trying to install ubuntu on my htc one m8
[16:57] <dragonkeeper> sounds more like an android error than the ubuntu trying to install , prob loopback in kernel
[17:00] <g105b> Can I run my app from the SDK straight on the plugged-in device?
[17:16] <bzoltan_> g105b:  yes, just enable the development mode on the device and make sure that you have the right Kits in the SDK
[17:18] <crazyandroider> developer's mode is on
[17:18] <g105b> No packaging directory available, please check if the deploy configuration is correct.
[17:18] <g105b> bzoltan_: ^^
[17:18] <Se7> hello guys
[17:18] <crazyandroider> oh i thought bzoltan_ was talking to me
[17:18] <crazyandroider> my bad
[17:20] <ogra_> for the brave .... https://plus.google.com/+OliverGrawert/posts/eK5X7voSxRr
[17:20] <Se7> a quick question...the circle on my bq phone from yesterday say no data source available
[17:20] <AlanBell> Se7: you have to do something like take a photo
[17:21] <ogra_> AlanBell, no, then it would tell you still "no photos taken today"
[17:21] <ogra_> "no datasource available" is a bug
[17:21] <AlanBell> oh
[17:22] <Se7> i did AlanBell..send messages photo call
[17:22] <AlanBell> so, not https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1286276 then
[17:22] <ogra_> might be the usermetrics service is not running
[17:22] <AskUbuntu> Where to get daily news about new Ubuntu Phone apps? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602796
[17:22]  * dragonkeeper stamps on all the bugs 'dam things are everywhere'
[17:23] <Se7> so it s a bug
[17:23] <ogra_> well, check if the usermetrics service is runninng ...
[17:23] <ogra_> ps ax|grep usermetrics
[17:23] <AlanBell> ogra_: the G+ with theme thing looks really interesting
[17:24] <Se7> wait ogra_
[17:24] <ogra_> AlanBell, I'm working on integrating zanettis file sharing from the imgur thing as well ...
[17:26] <ogra_> so you can share photos directly from the camera app etc
[17:26] <Se7> i can t do copy and paste
[17:27] <Se7> from phone
[17:27] <AlanBell> ogra_: sil was trying to do that with soonsnap, and getting rather befuddled by it
[17:27] <Se7> but looks like work usermetrics
[17:28] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanBell/posts/KACXBR6WhSF
[17:29] <Se7> anyway if it s a bug i have to wait for fixing right?
[17:29] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I do love "What you should see: Something less miserable."
[17:32] <Se7> i ll see you later guys not big problem anyway :)
[17:37] <g105b> What HTML5 widget gives the footer-swipe action?
[18:34] <Talustus> rsalveti any chance that u are arround ? :)
[18:35] <Se7> ogra_, can you pass my the but we talk before so i can subscrive ?
[18:36] <Isotop7> When i try to build ubuntu-touch i get errors saying that linux/msm_kgsl.h and linux/msm_ion.h are not found. Can somebody help me?
[18:36] <Talustus> that should be part of the kernelheaders?
[18:40] <Talustus> do u have the proper kernel source Isotop7
[18:44] <Isotop7> Talustus: How do i know if i got the right one? :D I followed the porting guide, synced to repo, cloned device specific stuff from github to the directories but building fails very early with these errors... :(
[18:53] <Isotop7> if i just run make it fails with ~ubuntu/kernel/samsung/jf/include/asm-generic/int-ll64.h:11:29: fatal error: asm/bitsperlong.h: No such file or directory
[18:54]  * dragonkeeper chuckles
[18:56] <Talustus> u building for jflte? Isotop7
[18:56] <Isotop7> for jfltexx precisely, but yeah :)
[18:56] <dragonkeeper> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2564187
[18:56] <dragonkeeper> but i had let that die
[18:57] <dragonkeeper> its a headache and cell never worked
[18:59] <Isotop7> oh okay...i also followed that thread...hoped to give it new try with the new porting guide but if you say its impossible ill turn it down...
[18:59] <dragonkeeper> didnt say impossible just a headache, n stripped parts so it would build
[19:00] <dragonkeeper> that was with 1st port guide though, wish you luck with new one
[19:00] <Talustus> its not impossible
[19:01] <Talustus> just needs hughe amount of love
[19:01] <Isotop7> okay....im a newbie so i need help :D is there any documentation that you can lead me to? i followed the cm porting guide but i dont feel like i learned much from it :D
[19:02] <Isotop7> Also i dont know who to fix the build errors...
[19:02] <dragonkeeper> also booted sailfish on s4 but lib errors all over .  xD
[19:04] <dragonkeeper> Isotop7, i have a .zip of UT that boots if u want it but no source code
[19:05] <Isotop7> hm...i could give it a try...but im afraid it wont solve my problems.. :/
[19:06] <Isotop7> do you know which steps you made in order to build it?
[19:09] <dragonkeeper> eh, followed port guide as much as possible , stripped out NFC , i remember commenting out some settings stuff in one of the files, then stipping some bits and fixing errors for ages then compiling then spending time looking at logs trying fix parts making rebuilds till i got one that had a gui and wifi . then i started working alot and .... yeah lol
[19:11] <Isotop7> oh man :D Sounds like a hell of a time...
[19:12] <Isotop7> i would really like to make it happen but im afraid im lacking the knowledge...
[19:12] <Isotop7> Talustus: Any ideas which might lead me to a conclusion?
[19:13] <Talustus> @ PM Isotop7
[19:15] <cotton_> Hi everyone ^_^
[19:16] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Hi
[19:16] <cotton_> I'm writting from my bq Aquarius Ubuntu ed
[19:17] <cotton_>  I have one issue with my gmail contacts
[19:17] <cotton_> The sync is incomplete
[19:18]  * dragonkeeper swaps his enter key for a full stop
[19:20] <cotton_> I mean, it seems the sync downloaded some of them but the rest are don't
[19:20] <cotton_> Sorry for my english
[19:20] <cotton_> Any idea? Thanks
[19:21] <dragonkeeper> using wifi on sync ? cotton_
[19:21] <cotton_> Yes
[19:23] <dragonkeeper> not sure, mine didnt sync then used wifi . and worked
[19:24] <AskUbuntu> How to reset BQ Ubuntu phone when I break everything? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602834
[19:26] <Se7> lol
[19:29] <dragonkeeper> Isotop7, PM
[19:37] <PLA1> Hi. While uploading a new click HTML5 app I get "CSRF verification failed. Request aborted.". What is that error mean and how do I resolve it? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/upload/
[19:38] <PLA1> Here is a screenshot of the click app upload error: http://i.imgur.com/aXXlc7w.png
[19:50] <AskUbuntu> How to "upgrade" BQ phone archives | http://askubuntu.com/q/602842
[19:52] <PLA1> Started a fresh upload and now I get "The uploaded package name (pla.play-on-kodi) does not use your namespace (pla)".
[19:56] <PLA1> OK. Reversed the name from pla.play-on-kodi to play-on-kodi.pla and it uploaded successfully. Yay!
[20:04] <AskUbuntu> Where is the factory-reset image located on the bq Ubuntu phone | http://askubuntu.com/q/602847
[20:04] <AskUbuntu> How do I backup my Ubuntu Phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/602850
[20:16] <kapiteined> Hi, is there a part of the wiki with info about the technical aspect of touch on the Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition? for example used modem commands, low level acces to the gps etc.
[20:34] <popey> kapiteined: not that I've seen
[20:36] <kapiteined> Ok, who should i contact to get info on the more lowlevel side of things of touch on the Aquaris ? ( BQ seeems logical )
[20:36] <popey> you could look at the source of the apps
[20:37] <kapiteined> sure, that is one way to do it. But some info on why the apps are written the way they are would help, in case you want to change something.
[20:44] <nik90> kapiteined: well the SDK APIs can be found at developer.ubuntu.com, while the official Qt stuff can be found at their website
[20:46] <kapiteined> Ok, that would help. Are there schematics available of the device?
[21:14] <kapiteined> Thanks for the pointers, that did get me started!
[22:06] <AskUbuntu> Qt Multimedia doesn't seem to work on Touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/602892
[22:34] <nhaines> That's all through libhybris.
[22:35] <nhaines> Oh hey, I was still scrolled up..  :)


[15:16] <cprofitt> anyone have a second monitor available to test and confirm this on 14.04
[15:16] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1271410
[15:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1271410 in xorg (Ubuntu) "screen brightness does not work after removal of second monitor" [Undecided,New]
[15:16] <cprofitt> anyone have a second monitor available to test and confirm this on 14.04
[15:17] <cprofitt> anyone have a second monitor available to test and confirm this on 14.04
[15:17] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1271410
[15:17] <cprofitt> bdmurray: thanks for changing the package on that... was not sure which one would apply myself
[19:04] <teward> bdmurray: ping, regarding SRU bugs which are listed as affecting multiple versions, if I tested for a given release, do I remove the verification-needed tag on the bug, or leave it and just add verification-done to it (to indicate it needs verifying on other releases as well)?
[21:31] <bdmurray> teward: leave it and add verification-done-precise or whatever release name is appropriate
[21:41] <teward> bdmurray: ack, will do
[21:42] <teward> bdmurray: having said this, verification-done-precise is on #1253468 (gnash sru)


[13:42] <milkii> Vst over lv2? It's there not a problem with the vst3sdk licence n packaging, or does that not apply here?
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> milkii: It has nothing to do with vst3, these are vst2. It has more to do with space saving on the ISO image.
[19:41] <RikMills> \o/ you got a new dvd build!
[19:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep! I'm soooo happy!!!!
[19:49]  * RikMills zsyncs
[19:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Getting ready to update the logo for consistency and add a Jammy variant of the desktop image, but that's all going to require a UIFe. I really wish the powers-that-be would've released the new Ubuntu logo with some notice to the flavor leads so that branding could've kept-up without the need for a UIFe.
[19:57] <RikMills> Fortunately I think the Kubuntu logo survives unchanged this time
[19:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, yeah, it's optional for flavors, but I'm a huge fan of branding consistency.
[19:58] <RikMills> I mean I think it is still consistent
[19:59] <RikMills> enough, anyway
[20:02] <RikMills> don't like the rectangle either
[20:03] <RikMills> though if we end up looking stupidly the odd one out, then....
[20:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Would rather not be the odd one out.
[20:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> The 2010 logos were designed with the consistency in mind, might as well keep up.
[20:06] <RikMills> our gear wouldn't change, so doing the bare logo at least would be dead simple
[20:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's what I worked on and am working on implementing. The tape reel isn't changing.
[20:07]  * Eickmeyer[m] posted a file: (80KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/lQVcguYqPKGhPcItdlTYUetf/UbuntuStudio_2022_Logos.pdf >
[20:08] <RikMills> what would yopu use in the about in systemsettings?
[20:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> The "tag" aka top bar.
[20:08] <RikMills> and for kickoff menu button
[20:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> The kickoff menu will have a square version.
[20:09] <RikMills> something to ponder over the rest of the weekend......
[20:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. The way I see it, I have this weekend and next Sunday since we're celebrating my son's 10th birthday on Saturday.
[20:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, if it's going to get done, the bulk needs to get done this weekend.
[20:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> Because Beta Freeze is a week from Monday.


[00:50] <harushimo> i'm trying to install openstack on ubuntu server.  For the hypervisor portion, can someone direct me how to setup the kvm
[00:59] <sarnold> harushimo: I hope this is helpful http://docs.openstack.org/havana/config-reference/content/kvm.html
[01:00] <sarnold> harushimo: (you may need to pick a different openstack release than havana depending upon which version you're running)
[01:00] <harushimo> i'm running whatever ubuntu server is giving me
[01:00] <harushimo> I don't know which one I can get
[01:00] <sarnold> which version of ubuntu are you using?
[01:01] <harushimo> 14.04.2
[01:01] <sarnold> 14.04 LTS is using icehouse..
[01:01] <harushimo> I thought it was a current version
[01:01] <harushimo> okay thank you
[01:01] <harushimo> I may be asking a lot of questions
[01:01] <harushimo> please bare with me
[01:02] <sarnold> http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/config-reference/content/kvm.html
[01:02] <harushimo> i'm reading it now
[01:08] <harushimo> sarnold: thank you
[01:08] <harushimo> I can't get anyone on the openstack side to help
[01:09] <sarnold> harushimo: that's too bad :/ openstack is sooo complicated, it feels like a mentor is practically a necessity
[01:09] <harushimo> sarnold: this is my 4th attempt at it
[01:10] <harushimo> sarnold: i've debated on giving up
[01:10] <sarnold> harushimo: hehe, I know the feeling; I've thuoght before it might be easier to write tools by hand than to learn these tools..
[01:10] <shauno> I've always been under the impression that openstack is written by consultants, to keep consultants in business. might not be true, but it sure feels like it
[01:12] <harushimo> I agree with both of you
[01:14] <harushimo> i appreciate the help
[01:14] <harushimo> let me see if I can get it done successfully
[01:15] <sarnold> good luck! and have a good night
[02:00] <harushimo> another quick question
[02:00] <harushimo> does it matter if you use Xen or KVM as hypervisor
[02:01] <patdk-l2> heh?
[02:01] <patdk-l2> there is little difference
[02:01] <patdk-l2> xen uses qemu for hvm
[02:02] <patdk-l2> qemu will use kvm if available
[02:02] <patdk-l2> xen gives a different management interface over pure qemu
[02:20] <sarnold> harushimo: I'd prefer qemu/kvm myself, it feels easier to work with to me
[02:28] <harushimo> okay
[02:28] <harushimo> thank you
[03:54] <conner> Anyone available to help a guy figure out a CDROM installation problem?
[03:55] <conner> Been scratching my head for a while now, and just can't seem to get it figured out. Just trying to re-install the server.iso. Also have a few questions regarding my setup, in case there is an easier way to go about it.
[03:58] <patdk-l2> we wouldn't have any idea, we don't even know what your attempting to ask yet
[03:58] <patdk-l2> mainly cause you didn't
[03:58] <patdk-l2> !ask
[04:02] <conner> Oh sorry. So, I've been trying to either re-install or "reset" my server installation on a home computer. Currently 12.04 server is installed, and I have a DVD-R burned with the 14.10 x64 iso on it. I've managed to boot into the DVD and get the installation going, however, it fails to "detect and mount the CD-ROM". I've checked several logs and it just says in various places that the CDROM was unmounted "just to be safe".
[04:08] <conner> To continue my question beyond the DVD installation, since I have 12.04 already installed, is there a way to just do-release-upgrade to 14.10 and forget about the DVD? I've read you can do release updates, however my host/network files are all botched and I'd just like a fresh start.
[07:34] <arcsky> what do you guys recommend ansible or puppet or chef?
[09:19] <blueingress> Hi, How can I tail multiple logs from differnt servers to a console? Thanks.
[09:20] <jpds_> blueingress: Set up an rsyslog server and have them all log there.
[09:22] <blueingress> jpds_, thanks .. I will try
[10:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:57] <jamespage> zul, I almost have horizon done and tested btw
[12:57] <zul> ok
[12:58] <zul> jamespage:  just rebuilding kilo-rc1 for trusty
[12:58] <zul> jamespage:  just have keystone and neutron* to rebuild
[15:41] <kyle__> Anyone here good with apt-cacher-ng?  Familiar with why it would have over 200k close-waits open?
[15:43] <OpenTokix> kyle__: because the fin timeout is very long
[15:43] <OpenTokix> kyle__: close wait, and not time wait?
[15:48] <kyle__> OpenTokix: Close wait
[15:48] <kyle__> OpenTokix: Humm.  Poking at the configs a little.  Apparently the default package has a lot of example remappings in there that don't need to be.  Dunno if it will solve problems, but taking them out makes the error log less chatty.
[15:50] <OpenTokix> kyle__: what is the error log? - ie. what is the error?
[15:50] <OpenTokix> kyle__: you havent changed any of yoru networking settings in sysctl?
[15:53] <kyle__> Lots of "Error creating pipe file descriptors", a complaint about the gentoo remapper (I commented out all but the ubuntu one I care about for now), and now that cleared out the cruft, too many open file handles.
[15:53] <kyle__> Argh.
[15:54] <kyle__> OpenTokix: network settings in sysctl have been rather modified, but nothing out of the ordinary.
[15:54] <OpenTokix> kyle__: increase file handles then?
[15:54] <OpenTokix> kyle__: modern computer can handle millions
[15:55] <OpenTokix> how many nodes are talking to your -ng-server?
[15:57] <kyle__> OpenTokix: Errr... 318
[15:57] <OpenTokix> kyle__: increase your fdlimit in /etc/security/limits.conf and restart apt-cacher-ng
[15:58] <OpenTokix> default it is 1000 =)
[16:06] <caribou> jamespage: any reason why you merged python-tz 2014 ? I don't see it in Debian
[16:10] <kyle__> Hrumm.  Not applying limits to the user it's udner... fscking pam.
[16:13] <OpenTokix> kyle__: ?
[16:18] <kyle__> OpenTokix: It's not loading the changes to limits.conf, and I can't reboot this system (prod)(
[16:19] <OpenTokix> kyle__: did you restart the apt-cacher-ng - it should give you a new shell- not restart, bt stop + start
[17:28] <kyle__> OpenTokix: I had to edit the init script for it
[19:52] <slowe> Quick Upstart question (this is on 14.04.1): is there a way to specify environment variables to be used by an Upstart job in a separate file from the Upstart job file itself?
[19:53] <sarnold> slowe: a .override file perhaps? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files
[19:54] <slowe> sarnold: Looks like override files are only for changing whether a job should start automatically or not (at least, that's how it appears to read).
[19:54] <slowe> sarnold: Never mind...need to scroll down farther. :-)
[19:54] <sarnold> slowe: that is how it appears to read but I suspect it can do more than just that -- I haven't confirmed for myself thoughc
[20:07] <OpenTokix> kyle__: is it working now?
[20:10] <kyle__> OpenTokix: Yeah.  I had to throw limit nofile somehugenumber somehugernumber in the beginning.
[20:11] <OpenTokix> kyle__: ok,  =)
[20:11] <OpenTokix> kyle__: Defaults is from when a server ad 8MB of ram =)
[20:11] <kyle__> OpenTokix: I need to dig through and see just how that works, because I've never seen it done that way before.
[20:12] <kyle__> All sorts of defaults in linux are back from the days when 64MB was pi in the sky big.
[20:14] <OpenTokix> kyle__: yes =)
[22:03] <dustinspringman> any postfix masters in the house?


[06:55] <xu-irc42w> when i input chinese with fcitx5-pinyin in xubuntu 21.10,the choice window didont show.
[06:55] <xu-irc42w> can anyone help me/
[18:13] <fawwaz> hi
[18:13] <fawwaz> am i online?
[18:17] <tomreyn> no
[18:21] <fawwaz> thanks
[18:23] <tomreyn> you're welcome (and still offline).
[18:25] <PeGaSuS> ROTFL
[18:26] <fawwaz> how do i
[18:37] <Maik> fawwaz: if you have a xubuntu support question just ask, casual talk is in #xubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:41] <fawwaz> sorry, i want to know why i keep failing to update the software after installing xubuntu, it keeps telling me that im not connected to the internet
[18:41] <fawwaz> *software updater
[18:44] <Maik> which xubuntu version?
[18:52] <fawwaz> latest
[18:56] <coconut> fawwaz, can you ping the internet on that machine?
[18:57] <fawwaz> yep, pinged google and working
[18:58] <coconut> and does apt work with updating packages?
[19:00] <fawwaz> it comes with several error before, and its working now. Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.13.0-19-generic
[19:01] <fawwaz> thanks, maybe i should pinged all the time to get the internet working
[19:11] <fawwaz> pinged several times after restart updating the system, figured out i've to click the connection to be connected...
[19:13] <coconut> fawwaz, you mean the nm-applet in your panel in top?
[19:14] <coconut> true, that is for almost all desktops afaik
[19:15] <fawwaz> yes, i'm using my android usb tethering right now to connect the internet
[19:15] <fawwaz> trying to figure out how to make my usb wifi dongle work rn
[20:10] <tomreyn> fawwaz: are you looking for support with getting that wifi dongle to work? if so, run this while online and post the resulting link: lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller' | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:11] <tomreyn> and this:  lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:11] <fawwaz> at the terminal?
[20:11] <tomreyn> yes
[20:11] <tomreyn> in a terminal emulator
[20:13] <fawwaz> wow. it works. thank you very much. i've downloaded the driver actually (rtl8188fu ver. not the rtl8188ftv) and wondering how do i run that driver, again, thanks..
[20:14] <tomreyn> i haven't done anything, the commands i provided were just for information gathering
[20:14] <tomreyn> it's possible that the kernel update you installed (and rebooted to?) made it work
[20:14] <fawwaz> need three days to get this dongle useful, been trying another distros but none of it works with this wifi dongle
[20:18] <fawwaz> first boot updating with several errors when apt-get update, software updater, also dongle didn't work. after 2 hours i restarted and installing the driver. it listed but didn't run. now i can sleep in peace
[20:26] <tomreyn> nice, nice
[20:26] <tomreyn> have a good night then
[20:31] <fawwaz> after i'm done with building websites and adding 114 products manually
[20:31] <fawwaz> does having a ethernet and wifi enabled will make my connection speed double too?
[20:32] <coconut> no internet connection is for eather one of the two