[11:25] <ZoemDoef> I want to install and configure a GFS system, anyone here that could assist me?
[11:25] <GalaZ> thx mneptok
[11:25] <mneptok> fredl_: load balancing requires a single public facing IP
[11:25] <fredl_> really... hmm, lemme see if I can find that page again...
[11:25] <gouki> fredl_, there is a distribution for that.
[11:25] <[Elsa] > gouki: after download/install? by this command ---> wget -c http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[11:25] <fredl_> I may have interpreted it wrong.
[11:25] <jahid> hi, all files that my program's used to use is loosing their permission. like i was able to open database and xchat. but now if i want to open those, i get an exception of "cant open the file, dont have permission". but i was using those before. can anyone help me about that?
[11:26] <[Elsa] > gouki:so i have to follow next step? --> tar -xvzf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz right?
[11:26] <chrismhampson> any idea where beagle indexes firefox pages?
[11:26] <gouki> [Elsa] , read the page. It has all the information you need!
[11:26] <genii> fredl I think you can crudely increase the bandwidth by using both sets of dns in your resolv.conf
[11:26] <Jewfro-Macabbi> jahid, you can change permissions via chmod
[11:26] <Imsdle> I have installed ubuntu 6.10 but it won't start....   the screen shows the little busy mousy thing then flicks goes blank and the computer freezes
[11:26] <Imsdle> I can start it ok in safe mode
[11:27] <[Elsa] > gouki: thanxs
[11:27] <genii> fredl But you may have to use some kind of bonding driver if you want to treat them both as some single interface
[11:27] <ZoemDoef> red-het-cluster-suite anyone? please?
[11:28] <genii> Imsdle: Try adding the option  noacpi into the default kernel entry of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:28] <jahid> Jewfro-Macabbi, i can change that, but when i am trying to start my XChat its saying that i dont have permisison to open the log file. but before it was having permisison. and i was trying to open a database using pgadmin, and i got error that, dont have permission to open that db file
[11:28] <fredl_> genii, yeah I read something about that. this page is interesting but it's not the one I recall reading http://www.linux.com.lb/wiki/index.pl?node=Load%20Balancing%20Across%20Multiple%20Links
[11:29] <Jewfro-Macabbi> jahid, I've no idea why you "lost" permissions. I can only offer advice on changing them back.
[11:29] <mneptok> ZoemDoef: does GFS even run on Ubuntu? how would you get it?
[11:29] <[Elsa] > gouki: ok now i get a error. after i tar that package then i have to mv it then i get this error ----> tar -xvzf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[11:29] <ZoemDoef> there is a package available for ubuntu
[11:29] <[Elsa] > ops
[11:29] <[Elsa] > wait
[11:29] <genii> fredl Makes for some tedious reading LOL
[11:30] <ZoemDoef> could not find any docs for this though
[11:30] <[Elsa] > gouki: ok now i get a error. after i tar that package then i have to mv it then i get this error ----> mv: cannot move `install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so' to `/urs/lib/firefox/plugins': No such file or directory
[11:30] <mneptok> ZoemDoef: AFAIK, GFS is delivered only through RHN.
[11:30] <fredl_> yeah I know :) but I found one earlier that had a picture of exactly what I want, with two different ISP's, and a server with three NIC's
[11:30] <fredl_> genii, although I think masquarading will become tricky :P
[11:31] <ZoemDoef> if you do a search for this package it is available for ubuntu under the http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/
[11:32] <genii> fredl Yeah I hate messing around with iptables and so on
[11:32] <fredl_> genii, well it's really cool to dig into it, it can do TONS of stuff.
[11:32] <fredl_> genii, problem is my server is running in my meter closet, no keyboard, no screen, de nada :P
[11:33] <dreamer> can anyone help me with this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4247/
[11:33] <fredl_> so it gets trickier even :P
[11:33] <ZoemDoef> mneptok: what would you suggest i use to cluster a filesystem accessable by courier?
[11:33] <mneptok> ZoemDoef: i see the tools, but nothing else. and only for Edgy.
[11:33] <genii> fredl Heh ssh
[11:34] <fredl_> genii, yeah that won't help though if you mess up your iptables by accident :P
[11:34] <fredl_> then it's *click* and I can get the damn thing out of my meter closet.
[11:34] <Jowi> ZoemDoef, according to this page GFS implementation is in Edgy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEdgyClusters (doesn't say how to set it up though)
[11:34] <ZoemDoef> mneptok: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=redhat&searchon=names
[11:34] <ZoemDoef> Jowi: thats the problem i have... could not find any docs for this
[11:34] <fredl_> genii, check out this page, it has a good picture: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
[11:35] <anthony_> hi I am a linux newbie, I have installed XGL on ubuntu 6.10, and it works.. my only problem is that when i press ALT the window I am in is thrown to the right. any one knows the problem?
[11:36] <Dh3Y0> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables??????????
[11:36] <fredl_> mneptok, gouki, doesn't http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html describe what I just asked? :)
[11:36] <genii> fredl I have a similar type box that I have also running a dialin server off a serial port. So I go into a terminal, use the intercom code to call the handset it is attached to (wireless). The thing picks up and I can authenticate in
[11:36] <mneptok> ZoemDoef: http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/
[11:37] <GalaZ> guys, why can't i write  # with the keyboard? ( i've pasted )
[11:37] <ZoemDoef> mneptok: thanks, will check it out
[11:37] <fredl_> genii, LOL that's sick :P but a pretty good idea actually since my phone connection is also in the meter closet!
[11:37] <fredl_> haha, that's brilliant :)
[11:38] <mneptok> fredl_: that will load balance outgoing only.
[11:38] <mneptok> ZoemDoef: those look like the right packages, but OCFS support is already in the Ubuntu kernel ;)
[11:39] <fredl_> mneptok, yeah, but that's okay since on the cable modem connection I prefer not getting any incoming traffic anyway. The ADSL interface has a fixed IP which runs my webserver.
[11:39] <genii> fredl I have it setup to answer after 4 rings, so i just disable the answering machine which picks up after 3 and I'm in :)
[11:40] <mneptok> fredl_: so use the ADSL for all outbound. your upstream is prolly faster on the DSL.
[11:40] <Dh3Y0> why cant my c compiler create executables
[11:40] <genii> I remember the matrox shotgun modem, that was cool
[11:40] <fredl_> mneptok, well I could just loadbalance all outbound over both interfaces, right?
[11:40] <fredl_> or would that not work?
[11:41] <jmcnaught> fredl_: i bet that peer to peer applications wouldn't work
[11:41] <GalaZ> guys, why can't i write  # with the keyboard? ( i've pasted )
[11:41] <Shaffox> hey guys
[11:41] <mneptok> fredl_: no
[11:41] <OrT> GalaZ your keymap might be set up wrong?
[11:41] <GalaZ> but yesterday i've been writed  #
[11:41] <GalaZ> now i cant
[11:41] <GalaZ> :\
[11:42] <OrT> check the configuration of your gnome or kde
[11:42] <OrT> or what u use
[11:42] <GalaZ> i've kde
[11:42] <fredl_> mneptok, could you explain?
[11:42] <genii> fredl_ I was just thinking you could combine the 2 interfaces for broadband into 1 virtual interface with the bonding driver, then run the client on the same machine using the virtual interface as the default
[11:42] <jmcnaught> GalaZ: maybe the key is broken or stuck?
[11:42] <GalaZ> sorry im new.. how can i see the cofiguration of my kde?
[11:42] <OrT> don't know, gnome user :)
[11:42] <Jowi> GalaZ, maybe the shift/altgr/whateveryouuse key is stuck
[11:42] <mneptok> fredl_: if my browser sends a request to www.fred.com it *will not accept* a response from 75792.bhoehg.fred.modemcable.comcast.net
[11:42] <genii> GalaZ for kde ubuntu, see channel #kubuntu
[11:43] <Dh3Y0> why cant my c compiler create executables, i m trying to install hydrogen, when i type in ./configure it comes as that....
[11:43] <fredl_> mneptok, huh? but thats inbound, right?
[11:43] <CrashProne> GalaZ try.. 'kcontrolcenter', was it?
[11:43] <genii> mneptok You have rarp checking or so on it?
[11:43] <Jowi> Dh3Y0, install package build-essential
[11:43] <Jowi> !build-essential | Dh3Y0
[11:43] <fredl_> mneptok, I'd just let www.fred.com resolve to the IP address of the ADSL interface.
[11:43] <ubotu> Dh3Y0: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:43] <anthony_> hi I am a linux newbie, I have installed XGL on ubuntu 6.10, and it works.. my only problem is that when i press ALT the window I am in is thrown to the right. any one knows the problem?
[11:43] <Imsdle> genii.. how do i add   noacpi  to the menu.lst. i have it in nano.. but dont' see where i should addit
[11:44] <Dh3Y0> my applications menue just dissappeared lol
[11:44] <mneptok> fredl_: what you're saying is "i want the response to a request at IP address A to actually come from IP address B." this is IP spoofing.
[11:44] <Jowi> anthony_, check the keybindings for the windowmanager you're using (Beryl or Compiz)
[11:44] <genii> Imsdle: look for a line which is loading the main kernel. There are sometimes after options like               quiet splash
[11:45] <Imsdle> genii yup.. found  that
[11:45] <fredl_> mneptok, ah, I think I'm starting to understand what you mean. You mean if your broswer goes to www.fred.com, it comes in through adsl.fred.com, the webserver replies from cable.fred.com then that would be 'outbound' traffic and that won't work?
[11:45] <CrashProne> I used Ubuntu to make a nice networked media center PC for my friends on their network, yays.
[11:45] <CrashProne> For by their TV.
[11:45] <genii> Imsdle: So just insert before the word quiet  noacpi
[11:46] <chrismhampson> does anyone here use the firefox beagle extension?
[11:46] <anthony_> "Jowi" when i go to System/Preferences/Windows (whilst using XGL) this message comes "Window manager "compiz" has not registered a configuration tool"
[11:46] <Imsdle> fanks genii
[11:46] <Imsdle> I'll try that
[11:46] <genii> Imsdle: Let me know how it goes :)
[11:46] <Jowi> anthony_, no idea about that (I use Beryl) see in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:47] <fredl_> I'll be right back guys, I'll go reboot that server to see if genii's trick for the default route works :)
[11:47] <anthony_> okay 10x
[11:47] <[Elsa] > Hye! I got this error after follow a step how to install flash player 9 from http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash ----> mv: cannot move `install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so' to `/urs/lib/fi refox/plugins': No such file or directory
[11:47] <[Elsa] > can someone help?
[11:47] <Imsdle> genii why wouldn't i see the splash screen with the loader bar?
[11:48] <xopher> it's /usr/ not /urs/ and you could copy it to ~/.firefox/plugins aswell
[11:48] <xopher> [Elsa] , sorry ~/.mozilla/plugins
[11:48] <rambo3> [Elsa] , you are not in same dir as file or you are not root
[11:48] <xopher> not .firefox
[11:48] <[Elsa] > oic..
[11:48] <Imsdle> nope.. ... that didn't work .. froze again
[11:48] <[Elsa] > so which one step i have to do now?
[11:49] <xopher> [Elsa] , copy the file either to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins or ~/.mozilla/plugins
[11:50] <mustafap> what are you trying to do?
[11:50] <genii> Imsdle You may need to reinstall the usplash stuff after you get it booting
[11:50] <genii> !usplash | Imsdle
[11:50] <ubotu> Imsdle: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[11:50] <[Elsa] > xopher: may i copy by right click on package that i download then install by browse a folder to mozilla/plugins?
[11:51] <KuhLii> hi
[11:51] <Imsdle> i give up.. is there anyway i can install 6.10 .... again! without having to boot from disk? i just want to do it from a terminal
[11:52] <genii> Imsdle I have found the best way to install is from the server CD. Just to install a basic system. Then after to do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:52] <KuhLii> can anyone help... im trying to get my intel 3945abg wireless? i have followed all instructions etc... on http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ however keep getting errors when trying to install... im logged in as root
[11:52] <xopher> [Elsa] , just follow the guide, by the letter, it will work just fine
[11:53] <[Elsa] > xopher:i already follow that guide, now i stuck on --> sudo mv install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[11:53] <[Elsa] > huhuhuhu
[11:53] <elementz> can somebody explain to me what kernel headers are and where i can get them?
[11:54] <xopher> [Elsa] , well cd to the directory you've extracted the .tar.gz to, then run the command
[11:54] <aalhamad> how do i know my proccesor speed?
[11:54] <[Elsa] > xophe: ok
[11:54] <aalhamad> how do i know my proccesor speed? --- plzzz hep
[11:54] <[Elsa] > xopher: err..what command to run it?
[11:54] <aalhamad> how do i know my proccesor speed? --- plzzz hep in a command line
[11:55] <xopher> aalhamad, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:55] <aalhamad> thanks
[11:55] <Jowi> KuhLii, that module is already included in Edgy. /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw3945
[11:55] <genii> !headers
[11:55] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[11:55] <xopher> [Elsa] , cd /path/to/where/the/targz/is , then extract it, then run the sudo mv ...
[11:56] <KuhLii> Jowi, so it does not work out of the box? you have to install it manually?
[11:56] <aalhamad> im getting  cat /proc/cpuinfo proccesor = 0?? y?
[11:56] <Jowi> KuhLii, try "sudo modprobe ipw3945"
[11:56] <aalhamad> xopher, proccesor = 0 .? y is that?
[11:57] <xopher> aalhamad, weird, somehow your processor isnt recognized?
[11:57] <KuhLii> ok cool
[11:57] <aalhamad> y?
[11:57] <KuhLii> cool thanks, i will give it a go
[11:57] <xopher> aalhamad, this is how it should look: http://pastie.caboo.se/37957
[11:59] <rambo3> http://pastie.caboo.se/37958
[11:59] <genii> aalhamad: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_freq
[11:59] <IamUnique> can ubuntu run windows applications?
[11:59] <rambo3> IamUnique, yes and no
[11:59] <genii> IamUnique: Look into wine or cedega
[11:59] <mojo_> IamUnique: It can uwind WINE, Cedega, or Crossover fice
[11:59] <ardchoille> !wine | IamUnique
[11:59] <ubotu> IamUnique: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:59] <mojo_> *Office
[12:00] <aalhamad> ok thanks i got it..
[12:00] <aalhamad> its in the modle name
[12:00] <aalhamad> model name      : Mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+
[12:00] <aalhamad> do i guess its 1.8?
[12:00] <xopher> no
[12:00] <genii> Yup
[12:00] <genii> And no LOL
[12:00] <aalhamad> no then..
[12:01] <aalhamad> ok wait.. let me paste it in a bin
[12:01] <NoEvidenZ> Can I have KDE and GNOME installed, or will they clash with eachother?
[12:01] <ardchoille> NoEvidenZ, Lots of folks run KDE apps in gnome or gnome apps in KDE, they work fine.
[12:01] <aalhamad> http://pastie.caboo.se/37960 its here.
[12:01] <genii> aalhamad: If you have frequency scaling enabled, the command I gave earlier will show the upper speed your cpu can run at: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_freq
[12:02] <aalhamad> i dont have the scaling.
[12:02] <genii> aalhamad: The far left number is the top cpu speed in K
[12:02] <IamUnique> k, thanks
[12:02] <aalhamad> ooh ok..
[12:02] <aalhamad> thanks
[12:02] <dreamer> hmm, I can't open a terminal on my dapper-pc, I have a button on my taskbar with gnome-terminal, and when I press it, nothing happens
[12:03] <NoEvidenZ> ardchoille: No, I mean can I run a KDE desktop and a GNOME desktop, or do I have to have one or the other?
[12:03] <fotoflo> hey all...
[12:03] <ardchoille> NoEvidenZ, You can ahev them both installed, but you will only be able to run one at a time.
[12:04] <rellik> I'm having trouble with vim, and I'm not sure if it from install, or because of the changes I just made (installed ruby language support from the sourceforge project).  when I open vim (a *.rb file or even just vim with no file named), I cannot use the vim commands, like :syntax on or :help.. It says that that command is not available in this version..  how do I fix that?
[12:04] <fotoflo> i have a problem, i need a solution!   i want to set up email forwarding - and i want it so that i can edit the rolls dynamicly and have a stable and fast email forwarding server
[12:04] <genii> aalhamad: According to your paste your cpu is running at MHz : 530.096
[12:04] <mojo_> NoEvidenZ: You can have both installed, and the libraries mean you can run KED (QT) programs in GNOME or GNOME (GTK) programs in KDE.  You can log in to either session thru the graphic display manager login (GDM)
[12:04] <fotoflo> what package/packages should i use?
[12:04] <IdleOne> NoEvidenZ: you can install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop on the same machine but what I found happens is that the Menus get all mixed up with apps from both kde and gnome
[12:04] <CrashProne> You CAN run both KDE and Gnome taskbars at the same time.. just one of the desktops (background icons).. if you want.  It's just... awkward imo.
[12:04] <genii> But I believe thats your bus speed
[12:05] <CrashProne> Just startup kicker while you're in gnome, and.. well.. :-S ... you can... ... weirdo.
[12:06] <aalhamad> genii, thanks :)
[12:07] <fotoflo> Hello, Does any one know how to setup a mail forwarding server?
[12:08] <fotoflo> what package to use?
[12:09] <Lynoure> hmmm
[12:09] <NoEvidenZ> ardchoille: mojo_: IdleOne: Thanks guys.
[12:09] <IdleOne> Gl3nn: pick a name and stay with it
[12:10] <fotoflo> if I want to setup a mail forwarding server, would i use sendmail and milter, or some other package?
[12:10] <[Elsa] > Hye! may i now how using a terminal to delete a file in /usr/lib/[folder name] /[file name]  ?
[12:10] <mojo_> But IdleOne, Gl3nn is so much more 1337 looking.... ; )
[12:10] <Gl3nn> IdleOne: "This nickname is owned by someone else"
[12:10] <Gl3nn> :)
[12:10] <mojo_> Gl3nn: just playin with you
[12:10] <sh4rm4> hi, how can I get the processID associated with a TCP port ?
[12:11] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , My first reaction is to ask, are you sure you want to do that?
[12:11] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: actually i want to delete manually plugin in folder name mozilla-firefox
[12:12] <fotoflo> elsa: sudo rm path
[12:12] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Did you install it with a pm?
[12:12] <[Elsa] > fotoflo: thanxs
[12:12] <fotoflo> elsa: but
[12:12] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: what do u mean by pm?
[12:12] <[Elsa] > fotoflo: but?
[12:12] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , I feel it is best to let the pm do those things.. if you installed it via the package manager
[12:12] <fotoflo> elsa: dont go ahead and do it unless youre sure....
[12:12] <fotoflo> pm = package manager
[12:13] <sh4rm4> hi, how can I get the processID associated with a TCP port ?
[12:13] <sh4rm4> like netstat ona under XP
[12:13] <fotoflo> netstat?
[12:13] <fotoflo> sh4rm4: netstat
[12:13] <sh4rm4> which cmdline switch
[12:13] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , If you installed the plugin with a paclage manager, it's best to let the package manager uninstall it rather than you manually delete it. Keeps you system clean that way.
[12:13] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: nop.didnt using pm. i follow a step here http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
[12:13] <mojo_> [Elsa] : you might want to read up on BASH (the terminal in ubuntu) before getting too deep with commands.  If you want to delete stuff you'd be better off knowing the syntax and what you are doing a little better
[12:13] <hindley> sh4rm4: -p command line switch is your friend
[12:13] <sh4rm4> thx
[12:13] <hindley> need to be sudo
[12:14] <sh4rm4> yes
[12:14] <IamUnique> is there a way i could try beryl without installing ubuntu like throught live CD?
[12:14] <zzz> mojo_: Bash is not a terminal. It is a shell.
[12:14] <[Elsa] > mojo: i stuck with this tutorial --> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
[12:14] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Ah, ok, you can use 'sudo rm /path/file' to remove things manually.
[12:14] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: thanxs
[12:14] <mojo_> [Elsa] : be careful with su or sudo commands... they mean super-user or super-user-do  ... i.e. running commands with ROOT priviledges can seriously mess stuff up if you delete the wrong things.
[12:15] <fotoflo> mojo: any idea which package i should use to setup a mailforwarding server?
[12:15] <mojo_> zzz: you are right, technically.  but still [Elsa]  should read a BASH manual
[12:16] <Jowi> IamUnique, the Desktop Cd is both a live CD and a installer.
[12:16] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: by refer on that tutorial page i need to install into a folder name " firefox " but on my machine just only have "mozilla-firefox" after i install it i still can open my browser but i cant open a page with flash, it will close automatically
[12:16] <Jowi> IamUnique, oh, yo usaid Beryl. silly me
[12:16] <GalaZ> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4250/
[12:17] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , I'm afraid I can't help with installing flash. I don't allow flash or video in my browsers.
[12:17] <mojo_> fotoflo: umm, i dunno.  postfix? i have not tried to run my own mail server yet
[12:17] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: that's OK i appreciate ur tips. at least i now how manually to delete that plugin file
[12:17] <Jowi> IamUnique, google helps: http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1410
[12:18] <mojo_> Isn't the newest flash in the resositories now???
[12:18] <hindley> mojo: in feisty, yep
[12:18] <gnomefreak> mojo_: for dapper and edgy they are in the backports repo
[12:18] <mojo_> gnomefreak: okay, that must be how i got them ; )
[12:18] <rjg_> HEllo
[12:18] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Have you looked at https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/plugins/   I have a few friends (also newbies) who installed flash in seconds from that page.
[12:20] <mojo_> any music fans here?  what's a really good tag editor for large collections?
[12:20] <IamUnique> ic thanks
[12:20] <rjg_> I have a application called JAckfield that I'd like to build from SVN. It's repository is:
[12:20] <rjg_> http://svn.kryogenix.org/svn/jackfield/trunk and I do have the subversion packages installed....Can someone give me a walk through on how to build it? Including easy commands... And I have tried the tuorials, the confused me
[12:20] <ardchoille> mojo_, I use easytag
[12:20] <ardchoille> !easytag
[12:20] <ubotu> easytag: viewing, editing and writing ID3 tags. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.99.12-1 (edgy), package size 748 kB, installed size 2428 kB
[12:20] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: ic.. sound like no need any command line to install it right? ok now i refer on that page. however may i know something. sudo command only do a command need a super user privillage right?
[12:20] <mojo_> archangelpetro: thans
[12:21] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Right, you only need sudo for commands and files that are not editable by your user.
[12:21] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: thanxs no i get a clear picture what SUDO mean. i'm really appreciate you
[12:22] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , One other bit of advice, never use sudo with a GUI app. sudo is for command line use only. If you need to run a GUI app as root, then use gksu or gksudo.
[12:22] <RickSeymour> Jowi: All working now thanks
[12:22] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , :)
[12:22] <RickSeymour> (compiling a kernel with most modules takes rattther a while on a Via Epia!!)
[12:23] <RickSeymour> Can I drag and drop the config files from POSTFIX on my gentoo server onto my shiny new Ubuntu server?
[12:23] <mojo_> [Elsa] : The way Ubuntu security is set up, the root account (super user) is disabled from login.  Instead, your account is given permission to use the sudo (and su) commands.  that way you have to be EXPLICIT when you want to run a command with superuser priviledges.  And since you have to type your password, nefarious scripts and programs can't just do superuser stuff without your consent.
[12:23] <rjg_> ardchoille: What happens if you yuse normal sudo? I've ben using noral sudo onto GUI apps for ages.
[12:23] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: special advise for newbies that love to study n know more about linux. which one u better me to familiar either using SUDO or with GUI stuff?
[12:24] <ardchoille> rjg_, It's explained here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo
[12:24] <mojo_> [Elsa] : you can use the command line for all kinds of stuff and never have to use the sudo command.
[12:24] <[Elsa] > mojo: thanxs for ur info. actually is that only Ubuntu come out with this privilage or same to other linux?
[12:24] <Jowi> RickSeymour, took about 20 mins on my 1Ghz C3. luckily if you forget a module or two and have to recompile it is alot quicker :)
[12:24] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , I feel it is vital to learn  and be comfortable in the command line.. but using a GUI app doesn't hurt anything. The command line is powerful and fast, it's a good idea to become familiar with it.
[12:25] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: thanxs for advice
[12:26] <Jowi> [Elsa] , here's a quick start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[12:26] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Most linux distros have normal users and root users. Ubuntu has the root account disabled by default, which is why we use sudo/gksudo
[12:26] <mojo_> [Elsa] : I don't know if it is common for other distros... Some people complain about it but you can really re-enable the root account if you are a confident user and dislike using sudo.
[12:26] <ardchoille> Jowi, God one
[12:26] <ardchoille> *good
[12:26] <[Elsa] > dear pal, right now on my machine my browser is mozilla firefox 1.0.7, is that compatible with flash player 9? which one is better to upgrade flash player first or browser?
[12:27] <mojo_> [Elsa] : in my humble opinion, it is a good idea.  especially considering how many linux newbies are drawn to Ubuntu.
[12:27] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Why are you using 1.0.7? ARe you in Ubuntu 6.06 or 6.10?
[12:27] <[Elsa] > mojo: huhuhu.. really need good advice :)
[12:27] <RickSeymour> Jowi: Indeedy!!! I ran into a couple of snags, there is an option enabled that buried somewhere, as i couldnt seem to get the vanilla kernel to work...
[12:28] <[Elsa] > err.. how i can know a version of my ubuntu? i'm just borrow installer cd from my friend.. i install it than return back that cd
[12:28] <[Elsa] > huhuhhuh
[12:28] <jpjacobs> Where do i find help for things like for while ,... (like in bash its just "help for")
[12:28] <jpjacobs> dam, wrong channal
[12:28] <RickSeymour> Jowi: But all good and running.. actually rather happy compared to gentoo... for server apps anyways... i dont fancy having to compile LAMP on a via epia 800!!!
[12:28] <ardchoille> [Elsa] ,  lsb_release -a | grep Release
[12:28] <mojo_> [Elsa] : go to the SYSTEM menu and select About Ubuntu
[12:28] <ardchoille> [Elsa] ,  or  lsb_release -a
[12:29] <Jowi> RickSeymour, Agree with you on that.
[12:29] <[Elsa] > thanxs mojo, ardchoille is that commadn using terminal to check ubuntu version?
[12:29] <mojo_> archangelpetro: cool.. i didn't know about the lsb_release command
[12:29] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Yes
[12:29] <IamUnique> will ubuntu 7 come with beryl be default?
[12:29] <rjg_> Out of interest, what are peoples favorite ubuntu tweaks/mods and how do you do them?
[12:29] <RickSeymour> Who knows i may even move my desktop over..... we'll see :)
[12:30] <ardchoille> IamUnique, You can ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:30] <IamUnique> k
[12:30] <cafuego_> IamUnique: No, it won't. it uses compiz.
[12:30] <[Elsa] > mojo & ardchoille: i luv to start study using command line/terminal
[12:31] <mojo_> cafuego_: with all the beryl hype, why compiz?  is it just hype then?
[12:31] <ardchoille> rjg_, I personally don't like the default window manager in gnome (Metacity) so one of the first things I do is change the window manager to openbox.
[12:31] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: i got this msg ---> xkarimx@ubuntu:~$ lsb_release -a | grep release
[12:31] <[Elsa] > xkarimx@ubuntu:~$ lasb_release -a
[12:31] <[Elsa] > bash: lasb_release: command not found
[12:31] <[Elsa] > xkarimx@ubuntu:~$
[12:31] <IamUnique> so does compiz have cool effects?
[12:31] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , It's  lsb  not  lasb
[12:31] <rjg_> cafuego: What if you don't want compiz installed, and want to keep beryl? Will there be a option at upgrade time?
[12:31] <cafuego_> mojo_: have you ever looked at beryl?
[12:31] <mojo_> [Elsa] : yes, the command line in *nix is very powerful.  it is practically a programming language
[12:31] <cafuego_> rjg_: no idea
[12:31] <ubuntu_> Hi guys, i've just made the fatal error of installing windows vista on my dual boot system - this means grub's disappeared and I can't get into my linux partition! Can anyone tell me how to reinstate grub? I'm using linux on a liveCD to speak to you at the moment
[12:32] <cafuego_> rjg_: To be honest, they're both buggy and close to useless.
[12:32] <[Elsa] > mojo: Oic.. Ubuntu really sensitive with *nix issu?
[12:32] <ardchoille> rjg_,  http://www.gnomehelp.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Gnome212.GnomeTutorials
[12:32] <mojo_> cafuego_: i only just got 3d accel working with dual head on ati like a week ago.  i have not messed with it yet but have been plainning to try it out
[12:32] <genii> rjg_ Sometimes I like a very minimalistic machine. so I use wdm for login manager and xfce desktop (xubuntu-desktop) Then I can uninstall most gnome things and get some hd space
[12:33] <[Elsa] > mojo & ardchoille: ok this is my ubuntu ver ----> xkarimx@ubuntu:~$ lsb_release -a
[12:33] <[Elsa] > LSB Version:    n/a
[12:33] <[Elsa] > Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[12:33] <[Elsa] > Description:    Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release)
[12:33] <[Elsa] > Release:        5.10
[12:33] <[Elsa] > Codename:       breezy
[12:33] <[Elsa] > xkarimx@ubuntu:~$
[12:33] <cafuego_> mojo_: I've had a go at it, and hoenstly... the words "steaming pile" do come to mind <heh>
[12:33] <Tedd> hmm
[12:33] <Tedd> My screen is about half an inch to the right
[12:33] <[Elsa] > huhuhuhu using old version of ubuntu
[12:33] <`ph8> i've had a go at this after googling, but it errors!
[12:33] <mojo_> [Elsa] : i just mean any flavor of a unix like operating systmem, be it linux (ubuntu or other), BSD, or solaris, aix, what have you .  the command line "shell" programs are very powerful compared to rinky-dink ms-dos
[12:33] <`ph8> root@ubuntu:~# grub-install /dev/sda
[12:33] <`ph8> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[12:33] <Tedd> Basically I can't see scrollbars
[12:33] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Ok, you're on Breezy, that was two releases ago. You might want to download and install Dapper.. it's newer and more stable than Edgy ATM.
[12:33] <Tedd> Because it's over about half an inch
[12:34] <Tedd> Is there any way to fix that
[12:34] <[Elsa] > mojo & ardchoille: thanxs for ur info. i'm really appreciate it
[12:34] <genii> !mbr | ubuntu_
[12:34] <mojo_> [Elsa] : i can't really speak to the command line in windows nt, but i don't think it's nearly as powerful either.
[12:34] <ubotu> ubuntu_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:34] <root___> Hi. How do I write a script to add a user from a file with this format "username" 'tab' "password"
[12:34] <ardchoille> [Elsa] ,  http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download?action=show&redirect=download
[12:35] <ardchoille> root___, Are you on IRC as root user?
[12:35] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: is that Dapper is a name of other version of Ubuntu? Let say in Windows got name WindowsMe /Windows XP so Ubuntu got Breeze n Dapper?
[12:35] <Tedd> My screen is over about half an inch, making it so I can't see most scrollbars
[12:35] <Tedd> Is there a way to fix it?
[12:35] <root___> i have search google and found out to use  the passwd --stdin but --stdin isnt recognize token --stdin... so there is my problem.
[12:35] <root___> ardchoille: yes I am.
[12:35] <`ph8> ty genii
[12:36] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Yes, you can say that. Dapper was released in July of 2006, Breezy was released in 2005.
[12:36] <genii> `ph8: Hello ..someone I know? (guesses matthew or Manataku)
[12:36] <Pntkl> Hello
[12:36] <dead1ock> yo
[12:36] <sith-lord> sup
[12:37] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Actually, the supported versions of Ubuntu that are out right now are Breezy, Dapper and Edgy. Feisty hasn't been released and Breezy will be dropped from the release cycle soon.. AFAIK
[12:37] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: thanxs for u info. i'm start to luv this OS. frankly, my friend said Ubuntu is most friendly linux platform to learn. is that true?
[12:37] <IamUnique>  will fiesty come with xgl and compiz? or is xgl another word for compiz?
[12:38] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: so how bout Edgy? a latest ver for Ubuntu?
[12:38] <KuhLii> hi, i have tried using 'sudo modprobe ipw3945'  to install the intel 3945abg driver, however im getting an error on the ieee80211 saying unknown symbol in module
[12:38] <Dh3Y0> what is QT and how do i get it
[12:38] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , I have used 11 Linux distros and I believe Ubuntu is the best one available. I know an 8 years old who installed it herself and she uses it daily.. Can't get much easier than that :)
[12:38] <KuhLii> which is pointing to ieee80211.ko file
[12:38] <[Elsa] > huhuhuhuhuhuhu
[12:38] <rjg_> ardchoille: I'
[12:39] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , I tried Edgy but there was too much tweaking to do for the way I use a computer. Dapper works best for me, but you should try them and keep the one you like best.
[12:39] <root___> ardchoille: as a 3 year old i used dos from microsoft - couldnt been any better than that...
[12:39] <rjg_> ardchoille: I'm 11, and I keep my ubntu install up..
[12:39] <Dh3Y0> what is QT and how do i get it
[12:39] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: so for a beginner level like me better i try dapper first than Edy?
[12:39] <zzz> KuhLii: Did you just compile and install ieee80211 and ipw3945 modules?
[12:39] <rjg_> and I'm someone who tends to experiment
[12:39] <KuhLii> ummm i tried yes
[12:40] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , I would recommend Dapper.. later you can upgrade to Edgy when you are more comfortable using Linux. Dapper is supported for 3 years.
[12:40] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: i already surf this http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download?action=show&redirect=download  ... so is that i have to download then using SUDO again or need to "reinstall" like a fresh copy install?
[12:40] <zzz> KuhLii: First unload ieee80211 and ieee80211_crypt using "sudo rmmod ieee80211 ieee80211_crypt"
[12:40] <nivanson> Dh3Y0: Qt is a toolkit for graphical and non graphical applications. Read more and download it at http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt or with apt.
[12:40] <zzz> KuhLii: Then execute: "sudo modprobe ieee80211"
[12:41] <zzz> KuhLii: Then execute "sudo modprobe ipw3945"
[12:41] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , No need to use sudo to download. Just remember to burn it to CD and an image. Then you can reboot into it and install.
[12:41] <KuhLii> ok
[12:41] <KuhLii> ill give that a go
[12:42] <KuhLii> once iv done that how do i connect to my wireless network... where is the program to do so?
[12:42] <zzz> KuhLii: Are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[12:42] <KuhLii> Ubuntu
[12:42] <[Elsa] > ardchoille: oic.. ok ardchoille i'm really appreciate from what i gain a knowledge about ubuntu today. and also for mojo :* hehehe... may i have a pleasure to read on that page first then after that i come here back to gain more than all of ur guy :)
[12:43] <zzz> KuhLii: Then you should install network-manager-gnome
[12:43] <[Elsa] > thanxs ardchoille & mojo, luv u so much!!!
[12:43] <ardchoille> [Elsa] , Here are some good websites for you: http://ubuntuforums.org
[12:43] <mojo_> [Elsa] : ???
[12:43] <KuhLii> ok, is that included?
[12:43] <ardchoille> [Elsa] ,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/  and  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation
[12:44] <ardchoille> I love it when new people come to use Ubuntu :)
[12:44] <zzz> KuhLii: You can install that program using Synaptic.
[12:45] <mojo_> [Elsa] : I am glad to know you like Ubuntu.  I think you'll find that the community makes the most difference... especially to new users.  It is much friendlier here than I have seen in some other places... though I think Linux users in general are all becoming a little more newbie friendly (which is great)
[12:45] <Shaffox> ardchoille, i'm also new :) 2 days now :)
[12:45] <KuhLii> im guessing that i need to use the installer, however i need a network connection for that....
[12:45] <ardchoille> Shaffox, Awesome! :)
[12:46] <zzz> KuhLii: Take look at Gnome's menu. See if there is a "wireless assistant" like program there.
[12:46] <Shaffox> but i'd like to go on the internet now, but i encounter some problems
[12:46] <ndlovu> when I suspend my laptop, it doesn't wake up again. Any suggestions for getting it working?
[12:46] <T_> \dunelegacy
[12:47] <ryanakca> which RAID uses 1/n of the total space for backup? that way if one drive fails, it doesn't matter overly, the system still runs?
[12:47] <ndlovu> ubotu mentions the package hibernate - do I need to install that?
[12:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mentions the package hibernate - do i need to install that? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:47] <Shaffox> i have downloaded a specific package
[12:47] <stephen> woooooooot my school has closed
[12:47] <stephen> yes
[12:47] <zzz> !hibernate | ndlovu
[12:47] <ubotu> ndlovu: hibernate: smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.91-2 (edgy), package size 72 kB, installed size 364 kB
[12:47] <Shaffox> and i installed it and now i pressed enable but nothing happends :s
[12:47] <Shaffox> stephen, why ?
[12:47] <stephen> reg temp is -4
[12:48] <stephen> and wind chill -10 and lower
[12:48] <ardchoille> stephen, eeeewwwww
[12:48] <stephen> Its worth it if it closes
[12:49] <ardchoille> Good point
[12:49] <Kolin5485> hello, is possible to swap eth0<>eth1 during instllation of 6.10? Or after installation? Google didn't help.
[12:49] <mojo_> Shaffox: he can keep warm snuggling up to his heatsinks as he plays on the 'puter all day ;)
[12:50] <ardchoille> mojo_, hahahaha
[12:50] <Shaffox> lol
[12:50] <stephen> =)
[12:50] <Shaffox> but, can anyone help me with my connection to set up ?
[12:51] <[Elsa] > before i'm gone archoille & mojo, can u PM me.. i got something to say as my appreciate sign
[12:51] <[Elsa] > hhuhuhuhuhuhu
[12:53] <mojo_> how do i initiate a private chat?
[12:53] <ardchoille> mojo_, /query nick
[12:54] <mojo_> archangelpetro: thanks
[12:54] <Kolin5485> hello, is possible to swap eth0<>eth1 during instllation of 6.10? Or can I change it  without problem after install? I need to have eth0 for WAN, eth1 for LAN
[12:54] <dreamer> mojo_: or: /msg nick message
[12:54] <ardchoille> mojo_, But, be aware that if you pm an unregistered nick, they may not be able to reply in pm. You can always /join #mojo  ;)
[12:54] <mojo_> dreamer: i tried /msg but it didn't open an new window.  (xchat,btw)
[12:55] <mojo_> archangelpetro: thanx
[12:55] <dreamer> mojo_: most times you need to enter a text before something happens with /msg
[12:55] <mojo_> dreamer: i did
[12:55] <dreamer> but I think it's the same for most clients
[12:55] <dreamer> hmm ok
[12:55] <zzz> Kolin5485: You can try "nameif". Type "man nameif" to get more information about this program.
[12:55] <mena> hi ...freinds .......i had a problem with my network conection with kubuntu and i got this after it was working i dont what happened but i install kubuntu for begining with xp and now the samr problem is i cant conect ....so if you have any idea plz or if there is a channel plz tell mee
[12:55] <mena> for>>>from*
[12:55] <mena> samr>>>same*
[12:55] <dreamer> ./query always does the trick ;)
[12:55] <Kolin5485> hello, is possible to swap eth0<>eth1 during instllation of 6.10? Or can I change it  without problem after install? I need to have eth0 for WAN, eth1 for LAN
[12:55] <mojo_> dreamer: well [Elsa]  is not responding to me anyway...
[12:55] <zzz> Kolin5485: You can try "nameif". Type "man nameif" to get more information about this program.
[12:56] <mena> any idea ...and do you think the reason is the firewall i use on xp
[12:56] <[Elsa] > huhuhuhu
[12:56] <Kolin5485> will try, thanks
[12:56] <fredl> genii, that was not a great success :P
[12:56] <fredl> dang this is confusing as heck
[12:57] <GreyGhost> mena ,what kinda networ do u use?
[12:57] <mena> GrayGhost, i am conected to a network
[12:57] <[Elsa] > Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
[12:57] <[Elsa] > huhuhuhu
[12:57] <genii> fredl It still wants eth0 as default gateway for example? Or some other one unexpected?
[12:57] <mena> GrayGhost, dsl
[12:58] <GreyGhost> mena ,ahh.. ok .. and the network works under Windows and not under kubuntu ..do i get this right?
[12:58] <genii> fredl If you do ifconfig, do you get a ppp0 device?
[12:58] <fredl> genii, I'm not quite sure, the iptables I already have in place for eth0 (the ADSL interface) are kinda in the way it seems.
[12:58] <mena> GrayGhost, conecting to the internet and also cant open the network the same
[12:58] <mojo_> [Elsa] : try /join #elsa
[12:59] <[Elsa] > ok
[12:59] <fredl> genii, you said when I put eth0 as the last in /etc/iftab then the route for that interface will be used, correct?
[12:59] <mena> GrayGhost, Do you think the firewall is the reason
[12:59] <mojo_> archangelpetro: you rock, by the way
[12:59] <mena> prevent kubuntu fron conect
[12:59] <loca|host> hello all
[12:59] <fredl> genii, nope, I don't get a ppp interface, didn't hook up the modem yet :P
[01:00] <daviey> Hi, anybody here using a non-usb bluetooth adapter????
[01:00] <loca|host> anyone got a good tutorial about installing ubuntu from Lan ?
[01:00] <GreyGhost> mena ,if u mean the XP firewall blocking kubuntu then it is no ..
[01:00] <fredl> I would like the default route a DHCP server gives me to be ignored for now, can that be done?
[01:00] <genii> fredl Yes, but it may also need to be ordered in the same order in /etc/network/interfaces also. As well, if the pppoe client makes a ppp0 device, you may need an old trick for the dialing conf file to make it auto-switch gateways
[01:00] <cinnix> !gparted
[01:00] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:01] <fredl> genii, not looking at the dialin right now, one thing at a time dude :P
[01:01] <mena> GrayGhost, So what is the problem you think
[01:01] <GreyGhost> mena ,see if u have set up everything right according to first part here .. https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/internet.html ..the router settings..
[01:02] <Imsdle> for the fifth time i have reloaded 6.10.. with 3 differnt disks and 2 differnt downloads... my ubntuu keeps freezing on start but works fine on safe mode...
[01:02] <mena> GrayGhost, okay i am usualu conect to the net witout configuring nay thing after installing
[01:03] <genii> fredl LOL
[01:03] <GreyGhost> mena , linux can sometimes mess up (had previous experiences myslef..)
[01:03] <fredl> genii, you know if it's possible to just discard the default gw that eth2 gives me?
[01:04] <ardchoille> GreyGhost, Not to argue, but Linux only does what the user tells it to do.. garbage in, garbage out.
[01:04] <mojo_> anyone used quod libet?  is it recommended?
[01:04] <mena> GrayGhost, okay
[01:04] <fredl> genii, coz I want to try for now to have all traffic sent to eth0 when the system comes up.
[01:04] <daviey> ardchoille, fsck mess ups?
[01:04] <fredl> genii, but to have eth2 configured anyway.
[01:04] <genii> fredl Well, easiest way would be to add a dummy gateway or defaultrouter entry in the /etc/network/interfaces
[01:04] <mena> GrayGhost, i saved the page and i will see but if i couldnt conect if i did as it in the page
[01:04] <GreyGhost> ardchoille , sure... Windows throws stuff at u without the user knowing ..;)
[01:05] <fredl> genii, hmm...
[01:05] <genii> rather /etc/networking/interfaces   (lots of typing there lol)
[01:05] <GreyGhost> mena ,ok
[01:05] <fredl> no it's /etc/network/interfaces :P
[01:05] <Imsdle> can someone tell me how to get my boot up information back on .. so i can see where it is failing?
[01:06] <genii> fredl If all eth were static you could put a hard gateway of course. But even in dhcp you should still be able to put an entry for it
[01:06] <daviey> Imsdle, boot up, hit the key that grub asks for and select recovery kernel
[01:06] <Imsdle> it boots up fine in recovery
[01:06] <fredl> *nod* well all my external interfaces are DHCP except the one always gives me the same IP address so it appears to be static.
[01:06] <genii> fredl I'm on an XP box atm so the paths are not immediately obvious to doublecheck
[01:07] <daviey> Imsdle, hmm; in the grub settings you need to take out 'splash' then; then the normal kernal will not use the splash screen
[01:07] <daviey> genii, yes they are, through right click on My Computer
[01:08] <genii> daviey That works fine to check local windoze paths, however, to remember exact ubuntu paths for default settings I need to ssh into another machine near here and look
[01:09] <Imsdle> how to i show the stuff that is being loaded.... and see it happen?
[01:09] <Imsdle> i have removed splash
[01:09] <daviey> Imsdle, /boot/grub/menu.1st      Take out 'splash'
[01:09] <ryanakca> which RAID uses 1/n of the total space for backup? that way if one drive fails, it doesn't matter overly, the system still runs?
[01:09] <Imsdle> i did
[01:09] <Imsdle> i just get an annoying little cursor in the top right hand of the scrren
[01:09] <daviey> genii, i see; sorry i thought you meant paths on the windows machine ;)
[01:10] <daviey> Imsdle, maybe it's the resolution
[01:10] <KuhLii> hi
[01:10] <yomm> how do I change the default font size in rxvt term ?
[01:10] <genii> daviey:  :)
[01:10] <Imsdle> ok... it loads up.. and i see the little sheild thing for about 5 seconds.. that disappears.. black screen ... frozen computer
[01:11] <genii> Imsdle: To see the stuff it is getting stuck on replace quiet with verbose
[01:11] <KuhLii> zzz - i tried to remove the modules for the ieee80211 and ieee80211_crypt, however they both returned, does not exit in /proc/modules
[01:11] <genii> Imsdle: Or remove quiet to just get a basic idea like previous versions
[01:12] <Imsdle> thanks genii
[01:12] <genii> Imsdle: np
[01:12] <KuhLii> so then i tried 'sudo modprobe ieee80211'
[01:12] <Valroadie> hmmm
[01:12] <Valroadie> anbody on?
[01:12] <Valroadie> i need help
[01:12] <KuhLii> but returned the same error as before... unknown symbol?
[01:12] <KuhLii> in file ieee80211.ko
[01:12] <daviey> Hi, anybody here using a non-usb bluetooth adapter????
[01:13] <Imsdle> dang!
[01:13] <Imsdle> it was a bios problem dudes
[01:13] <genii> !ask | Valroadie
[01:13] <ubotu> Valroadie: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:13] <Valroadie> haha
[01:13] <Valroadie> ok
[01:13] <daviey> Imsdle, what was the bios doing?
[01:13] <Valroadie> so i have this proble,
[01:13] <Shaffox> can anyone help me to connect my ubuntu to the internet ?
[01:14] <KuhLii> anyone got any ideas?
[01:14] <Valroadie> when i boot the alternate cd
[01:14] <Valroadie> i386
[01:14] <Valroadie> it goes through the whole process
[01:14] <Valroadie> and then, when it gets to the install phase
[01:14] <Valroadie> it stops
[01:14] <genii> KuhLii: This means the module version you are trying to use does not match the kernel version you are running at the moment
[01:14] <Valroadie> and my cd-rom revs up
[01:15] <KuhLii> ummmmm.... ok....
[01:15] <Valroadie> REALLY fast
[01:15] <Valroadie> haha
[01:15] <Valroadie> so, i ran a check test
[01:15] <Valroadie> on the cd
[01:15] <Valroadie> for defects
[01:15] <Imsdle> im using a box with onboard video.. the memory was set to 256mb and the its only a 64
[01:15] <GreyGhost> Valroadie ,did u by anychance erun the defect check
[01:15] <KuhLii> i just installed ubuntu from the iso i downloaded?
[01:15] <GreyGhost> oh k
[01:15] <Valroadie> yes
[01:15] <Valroadie> so i ran it
[01:15] <Valroadie> and it says
[01:15] <Imsdle> damn thing.. spent 3 nights on that!
[01:15] <Imsdle> grrr
[01:15] <bimberi> !enter
[01:15] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[01:16] <andrei> hey everybody
[01:16] <genii> Imsdle: You can also manually set that in /etc/X11/xor.conf where video device is eg: vesa or ati whatever. Insert a line VideoRam "65536"
[01:16] <GreyGhost> andrei ,hello
[01:16] <Imsdle> o
[01:16] <Imsdle> k
[01:16] <andrei> can u help me ?
[01:16] <Shaffox> still waiting for someone who can help me with connecting to the internet ...
[01:16] <KuhLii> do i need to update the kernel or the module?
[01:16] <GreyGhost> !ask | andrei
[01:16] <ubotu> andrei: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:16] <smart_> Grayghost, thnaks it worked the dns was the reason as i think bec i changed it and it working
[01:16] <smart_> Grayghost, its me mean
[01:16] <cinnix> can I split an existing partition into 2 seperate partitions?
[01:16] <Imsdle> thanks all
[01:16] <smart_> Grayghost, thanks
[01:16] <Valroadie> The ./pool/main/u/upstart/startup-tasks_0.2.7-7_i386.deb file failed the MD5 checksum verification. And i know its not the CD cause its brand new so....any ideas?
[01:16] <Imsdle> have a great night
[01:17] <GreyGhost> smart_ ,np ;)
[01:17] <genii> KuhLii: Was it Feisty distribution?
[01:17] <smart_> ^_^:)
[01:17] <andrei> I want to know the adress frowm where i can download a program like ODC
[01:17] <xhaan> cinnix: how do you mean split?
[01:17] <daviey> Valroadie, can be the download failed
[01:17] <mojo_> cinnix: probably, but i would back up important data first.  i believe that gparted can resize a partition, though it may depend on which format
[01:17] <andrei> pleasee
[01:17] <AnRkey> Valroadie: It's the CD or your drive mate
[01:17] <AnRkey> to a media check on it
[01:17] <fredl> genii - I can edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to not request the routers from the DHCP server :)
[01:17] <AnRkey> do a media check soz
[01:18] <Valroadie> mmm ok, well i will use a diff cd and see if it works.
[01:18] <Valroadie> thanks alot guys
[01:18] <Valroadie> ill be back
[01:18] <daviey> Valroadie, do an md5 check on the iso!
[01:18] <Valroadie> ok
[01:18] <ndee> hello, when I try to start rhythmbox and want to import MP3s, it tells me that the gstreamer-plugin is missing for MP3-files, which plugins do I have to install to get mp3s working?
[01:18] <genii> Valroadie there is a md5 checker for windoze. You can check the iso file you burned the cd from for errors
[01:18] <Valroadie> mmm
[01:18] <ndee> I did install gstreamer0.8-lame
[01:18] <Valroadie> where is that at?
[01:18] <GreyGhost> !mp3 | ndee
[01:18] <ubotu> ndee: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:18] <Valroadie> mm wait
[01:18] <ScarFreewill> i want to restart something can't remember how when something like /etc/init.d/?
[01:18] <AnRkey> Valroadie: How did you download the iso? Bittorrent or FTP/HTTP?
[01:18] <Valroadie> utorrent
[01:18] <AnRkey> hmm
[01:18] <cinnix> mojo_, xhaan yea well actually I have no partitions, i wanted to install fedora next to redhat, but probably best to backup and  go with clean install
[01:19] <Valroadie> from the ubuntu websit
[01:19] <cinnix> thanks
[01:19] <Valroadie> e
[01:19] <AnRkey> torrents don't normally currupt files
[01:19] <GreyGhost> andrei ,maybe u could describe the program a bit?
[01:19] <Valroadie> thats what i thought
[01:19] <genii> Valroadie http://www.download.com/WinMD5Sum/3000-2381_4-10115916.html
[01:19] <smart_> GrayChost, How can i install kde 3.5.6
[01:19] <gouki> ScarFreewill, it was you said: /etc/init.d/SERVICE restart
[01:19] <AnRkey> Valroadie: check the cd
[01:19] <cinnix> next to ubuntu even
[01:19] <ScarFreewill> gouki: thx
[01:19] <smart_> GrayChost, bec i am on kde 3.5.5
[01:19] <Valroadie> ok i will
[01:19] <KuhLii> genii, i have no idea what that means, i just downloaded the latest CD ISO from the ubuntu website and installed it...
[01:19] <GreyGhost> smart_ ,ur using kubuntu right? then i su[pose an update should do it..
[01:19] <xhaan> cinnix: you can shrink one partition to make room for another but you cant like actually make one into two... thats why i asked :0
[01:20] <smart_> GrayChost, okay
[01:20] <AnRkey> Valroadie: or its the drive not reading the CD properly, also check that the CD is not dirty
[01:20] <AnRkey> Valroadie: good luck
[01:20] <cinnix> xhaan: ok thanks :)
[01:20] <GreyGhost> smart_ ,i dont know where it is in kubuntu .. but it should be under System tools or something "Update" ..
[01:20] <Valroadie> will do thank you AnRkey
[01:20] <fredl> huh...
[01:21] <GreyGhost> ndee , just use the long cammond in the link i gave u and u'll get all the dependencies for mp3 ..
[01:21] <smart_> GrayChost, i have don it befor but he problem i dont have the erpo
[01:21] <smart_> repo*
[01:21] <genii> KuhLii The Feisty dist is the latest/testing  ... the version 6.10 codename Edgy is the latest stable version. If you downloaded the Feisty (or pre 7.04) then it may have some issues like you described. If you got another earlier version it will be some other issue
[01:21] <smart_> GrayChost, but i will get it for #kubuntu
[01:21] <ndee> GreyGhost, ok, thx
[01:22] <KuhLii> its 6.10 the latest table
[01:22] <KuhLii> stable i mean
[01:22] <ubuntu_> the live cd installer seems to be hung can anyone help me install ?
[01:22] <ndee> GreyGhost, I have gstreamer0.8 installed I think, is that normal for edgy eft?
[01:22] <GreyGhost> smart_ ,yeah .. cos i've never used kubuntu nor kde .. so i cant help much ..
[01:22] <Valroadie> ubuntu_try dling the alternate cd
[01:23] <genii> KuhLii Is the machine able to connect to the internet to install packages with the regular wired connection?
[01:23] <smart_> GrayChos, no problem
[01:23] <GreyGhost> ndee ,i think it is ... but wont hurt updating will it? ;)
[01:23] <KuhLii> i  have not tried...
[01:23] <ndee> GreyGhost, nope :D
[01:23] <ubuntu_> trying to install from live cd  i chose no localization  and the installer seems to be hung?    not doing anything that i can tell.   anyone?
[01:24] <GreyGhost> ndee , and if it still doesnt work ..pop back in and ask again ..;)
[01:24] <GreyGhost> oh well.. class in 5 minutes.. cya all..
[01:24] <Valroadie> ubuntu_==DOWNLOAD the alternate CD
[01:24] <ndee> GreyGhost, ok :)
[01:24] <Valroadie> http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/ubuntu-iso/edgy/
[01:24] <ubuntu_> Valroadie: i don't have three weeks i want to waste dl'ing
[01:24] <Valroadie> haha
[01:24] <Valroadie> it wont take three weeks
[01:24] <Valroadie> unless
[01:25] <Valroadie> you have a 56k modem...lol.
[01:25] <daviey> your on dialup?
[01:25] <ardchoille> ubuntu_, You on dial-up?
[01:25] <ndee> GreyGhost, do I have to restart X to get the newest gstreamer plugin running?
[01:25] <ubuntu_> yes daviey
[01:25] <GreyGhost> ndee ,nope.. i didnt ..when i installed..
[01:25] <fredl_> that was freaky...
[01:25] <ubuntu_> any other ideas ?
[01:26] <ndee> GreyGhost, now it works, thx :D
[01:26] <GreyGhost> ubuntu_ ,u can use the minimal ubuntu cd.. someone showed it to me yestersday ... but that would mean u'd have to dl all the other packages like GUI etc later...
[01:26] <GreyGhost> ndee ,np ;)
[01:26] <daviey> GreyGhost ubuntu_ , but you could use the cd as a repo
[01:26] <ubuntu_> GreyGhost: you have a url to that cd ?
[01:27] <GreyGhost> daviey , ubuntu_ ,yes daviey has a good point..
[01:27] <GreyGhost>  ubuntu_ ,one sec.. let me find it. ..i've never used it ..so will need to search for it..
[01:28] <ubuntu_> ok.
[01:28] <daviey> GreyGhost, Is this based on debian netinstall??
[01:29] <GreyGhost> ubuntu_ ,daviey, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD  another guy showed it to me just yesterday ..so i havent ever tried it myself...
[01:30] <GreyGhost> ony 8.5 mbs ..
[01:30] <GreyGhost> cya all.. i'm pretty late already ..
[01:31] <ubuntu_> ok thank you.
[01:31] <GreyGhost> ubuntu_ ,np .. hope it works ...
[01:34] <Perryman> dapper drake is running much better so far
[01:34] <Perryman> i did notice one problem with drake and edgy though
[01:34] <Perryman> i have a SATA dvd combo drive
[01:35] <Perryman> when I remove the drive from my computer i don't get any ATA errors
[01:35] <Perryman> is this a known issue?
[01:36] <fredl_> man this is fubar... when I put interface "eth0" { request ...; } interface "eth2" { request ....;} in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[01:36] <fredl_> and then ifup eth0
[01:36] <fredl_> then both eth0 and eth2 get up'ed
[01:38] <zyth> wtf
[01:38] <zyth> I can't close frostwire.  I even killed the process.  Yet it runs
[01:38] <zyth> this is creepy
[01:39] <Perryman> some processes wont restart
[01:39] <Perryman> er kill
[01:39] <Perryman> have you done sudo kill -9 ?
[01:39] <zyth> its not in the list anymore
[01:39] <zyth> when I run ps x
[01:39] <Perryman> odd
[01:39] <zyth> very
[01:39] <Perryman> how about ps ax
[01:40] <zyth> all I see that *might* be it is
[01:40] <zyth> 18210 ?        Sl     1:47 java -ea -Dorg.apache.commons.logging.Log=org.apache.co
[01:41] <zyth> but I have azureus running too.
[01:41] <[Elsa] > yo my friends, got a question about installing firefox 2.0 after i read from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion  where that page told me "extract the tar file into /opt (you should make sure /opt already exists)" so how to make sure /opt already exits?
[01:41] <Perryman> i dunno what frostwire is so
[01:41] <Perryman> anyhow you could always restart
[01:41] <zyth> java app.
[01:41] <zyth> yeah, didn't want to but may have to
[01:41] <Perryman> ive had quite a few processes hang on me
[01:41] <Perryman> are you running edgy?
[01:41] <zyth> yep
[01:41] <Perryman> i just downgraded to dapper
[01:41] <Perryman> edgy is a bit edgy
[01:41] <zyth> lol
[01:41] <zyth> well, its only current 'till April ;)
[01:41] <Perryman> i would run software update
[01:42] <zyth> *nod*
[01:42] <Perryman> it'd crash while configuring mono
[01:42] <Perryman> or some random thing
[01:42] <zyth> weird.
[01:42] <Perryman> firefox would hang and not be killed
[01:42] <Perryman> randomly
[01:42] <zyth> thats odd.
[01:42] <zyth> well im gonna reboot
[01:42] <zyth> back soon
[01:43] <Perryman> ive had 1 crash so far, but it feels much more stable than edgy
[01:44] <mojo_> Perryman: frostwire is an open-source off-shoot of LimeWire.  Both are peer-to-peer file sharing programs that use the Gnutella network.  FrostWire now also supports Bittorrent.  It is a cross-platform program written in Java.
[01:45] <Perryman> ah
[01:45] <Perryman> i use azureus
[01:45] <mojo_> Perryman: Frostwire is even faster than LimeWire Pro, I hear.
[01:45] <Perryman> hrm
[01:45] <Perryman> interesting
[01:45] <zyth> well the reboot fixed it ;)
[01:45] <Perryman> ever heard of any problems with SATA cd drives?
[01:45] <Perryman> cd/dvd
[01:45] <zyth> they have SATA cd drives?
[01:45] <Perryman> yep
[01:46] <Perryman> 2nd person to say that to me today
[01:46] <zyth> didn't even know that.
[01:46] <zyth> lol
[01:46] <mojo_> Perryman: azureus is good for bittorrent.. i use it too.  But bittorrent is best for VERY LARGE files like movies and cd images (iso's) and such.  P2P programs like FrostWire are MUCH better for small files, like individual MP3 files and such.
[01:46] <Perryman> mojo_: i have about 800 GB total
[01:46] <Perryman> and about 500 in use
[01:46] <Perryman> about 350 to 400 is torrent
[01:47] <mojo_> Perryman: it is not about how much space you have.  it is about the files.  Large files transmit better with something like bittorrent.
[01:47] <Perryman> i typically get something 700mb or larger
[01:47] <Perryman> or usually episodes of the latest tv show in hd at 400 or so mb with 4000 seeders
[01:48] <mojo_> Perryman: the thing is, you won't find lots of small single songs and such on the bittorent tracker sites.  But something like frostwire will connect you to the shared music of hundreds or thousands of people and let you pick single songs to download at a time
[01:48] <Perryman> hm
[01:48] <mojo_> Perryman: if you want movies and TV episodes, you will want to stay with bittorrent for that and find a good tracker with an RSS feed.  That is my suggestion.
[01:48] <Perryman> i'll probably get it next time i want some obscure music
[01:48] <genii> Shouldn't sudo apt-get -f install linux-image-$(uname -r)                refresh your modules to the right kernel version tags?
[01:48] <Perryman> oh, i'm pretty happy with what i've got :)
[01:49] <Perryman> i'm all set in windows xp
[01:49] <Perryman> but i figure some ubuntu dapper time will do me good
[01:49] <Perryman> i havent played since redhat a few years back
[01:49] <Perryman> and now i have the time and resources to learn
[01:50] <Perryman> heck, i'd have installed os x if it was free :)
[01:50] <genii> Perryman: ubuntu is a nice distribution to learn on. the package system is comprehensive and the user support is quite extensive between the forums,wiki and irc
[01:50] <Perryman> yeah, i've been exploiting that recently
[01:51] <Perryman> hopefully as my knowledge expands i can reciprocate a bit here
[01:55] <gharz> guys, recently, whenever i boot my ubuntu, i'm getting this message =>>> ubuntu 6.06 has been installed 31 times without being checked... force check... what does it mean? how do i check my ubuntu regularly?
[01:55] <loca|host> how to restore grub after a windows install ?
[01:55] <Perryman> !ext3
[01:55] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[01:56] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell loca|host about grub | loca|host, see the private message from ubotu.
[01:56] <visik7> !winmodem
[01:56] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[01:56] <loca|host> HymnToLife, thanks yo
[01:56] <Perryman> !e2fsck
[01:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about e2fsck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:56] <francois> anyone have an idea where i can find out how to install a webcam ?
[01:57] <francois> !webcam
[01:57] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:57] <HymnToLife> !fishing | Perryman
[01:57] <ubotu> Perryman: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[01:57] <Perryman> gharz: its basically just a verification check on the partition if there was a problem
[01:57] <gharz> Perryman, thanks!
[01:57] <Perryman> yep, and sorry HymnToLife :)
[01:59] <gharz> guys, i'm currently connected to our Windows network and one of the client workstation has a shared folder with a $ sign (meaning a hidden shared folder)... i'm using nautilus... how do i access it? i can't see any address bar where i can type the exact address.
[01:59] <genii> visik7 What type of winmodem do you have? There are some binary packages for intel537 and lucent for instance
[01:59] <Lunar_Lamp> gharz, hit "ctrl+L"
[02:00] <visik7> genii: actually I don't know scanModem tell me that I should use slmodem or intel
[02:00] <gharz> Lunar_Lamp, thanks!!! i'll try... i didn't think about it. silly me.
[02:00] <genii> visik please report the result of the coomand:   lspci |grep Intel|grep modem
[02:01] <visik7> genii: nothing
[02:01] <genii> visik OK, then just lspci |grep Intel
[02:01] <archangelpetro> mojo_, ?
[02:01] <HymnToLife> visik7, sent your modemData.txt to the linmodems.org mailing lists and nice volunteers will tell you what you need to do
[02:01] <visik7> !pastebin
[02:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:02] <HymnToLife> send*
[02:02] <visik7> oh ok
[02:02] <visik7> btw here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4275/
[02:02] <genii> If no Intel + modem on pci then likely some conexant chipset
[02:03] <visik7> I think it's integrated on the audio card
[02:03] <visik7> at least scanModem seems to say this
[02:04] <petepete> how do i view all the members of a particular group (in command line) ?
[02:04] <HymnToLife> petepete, cat /etc/group | grep group_name
[02:04] <petepete> thanks :)
[02:04] <pirast> as openoffice.org-style-industrial is being shipped with ubuntu, how can i enable the industrial symbols?
[02:04] <genii> visik7 Ah, may be some composite type voice-modem or so then
[02:05] <genii> visik7 Please see if if lspci|grep modem has any result, the chipset may not be reporting as intel but some other but saying a modem
[02:05] <mojo_> archangelpetro: sry i am here
[02:06] <mojo_> archangelpetro: whassup?
[02:06] <visik7> genii: no nothing about modem or communication or anything
[02:06] <vernes> I'm writing an app in which I wish to use scalable fonts, however, Ubuntu only offers the default size fo the scalable font. How do I use a scalable (ttf) font in an alternative size?
[02:06] <archangelpetro> mojo_, did you want me before?
[02:06] <genii> visik7 Then I would say to hear back from the winmodem ppl
[02:07] <ShankarGanesh> *is beryl available for windows?*
[02:07] <visik7> ShankarGanesh: ahahaha no
[02:07] <ardchoille> Hmm.. it looks like Compiz/Beryl won't be included in Feisty.
[02:07] <mojo_> oh, no... i was just giving you kudos for being so helpful to folks earlier
[02:07] <archangelpetro> when was i being helpful?
[02:07] <francois> why would they include beryl in feisty ?
[02:08] <burepe> What is the easiest language and way to make a linux program
[02:08] <mojo_> i dont' remember, lol... a while ago.. i think [Elsa]  was the target of your help
[02:08] <cypher1> does vbscript work in ubuntu ?
[02:08] <francois> i heard cygwin can do it,
[02:08] <genii> burepe bash
[02:08] <ardchoille> archangelpetro, He was talking about me, he got bit by tab completion
[02:08] <HymnToLife> burepe, python
[02:08] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, considering both are still very much alpha.. im not surprised
[02:08] <archangelpetro> lol, i keep getting bitten by that :)
[02:08] <ardchoille> elkbuntu, True
[02:08] <ardchoille> archangelpetro, So do I
[02:08] <archangelpetro> well, ardchoille well done for being so helpfull :)
[02:08] <mojo_> ardchoille: yes, you are correct.  tab completion
[02:08] <archangelpetro> hehe
[02:08] <genii> francois Really? That would be interesting!
[02:08] <burepe> genii bash is command line only right?
[02:08] <ardchoille> mojo_, Glad to help :)
[02:08] <archangelpetro> and mojo_ :) thank you for being so kind (even if misdirected) heheh :P
[02:08] <elkbuntu> ardchoille, also, driver manufactureres need to gwtp first
[02:09] <burepe> HymnToLife: how would I go about making a python program? Where do I start?
[02:09] <francois> genii: yeah, i heard its doable, but not recommended, and it needs tweaking i think
[02:09] <ardchoille> elkbuntu, You can say that again
[02:09] <genii> burepe It is a series of text commands you can either type in on the command line or store in a file and then execute
[02:09] <francois> burepe: have you programmed before ?
[02:09] <burepe> no
[02:09] <burepe> not at all
[02:10] <AzMoo_> burepe, http://docs.python.org/tut/
[02:10] <genii> Then start with shell scripting
[02:10] <francois> burepe: start easy, maybe not python
[02:10] <AzMoo_> Python's easy.
[02:10] <Pistahh> hello
[02:10] <burepe> what should I start with?
[02:10] <francois> AzMoo_: for a starting prog lang ?
[02:10] <Pistahh> if i install a new hard disk into my computer, how do I partition&mount it in the GUI?
[02:10] <HymnToLife> francois, you know anything easier than Python ?
[02:10] <AzMoo_> francois, no harder than anything else.
[02:10] <francois> HymnToLife: java ? lol
[02:10] <AzMoo_> hah
[02:11] <archangelpetro> java is easy
[02:11] <archangelpetro> :)
[02:11] <archangelpetro> best starting language imo
[02:11] <genii> Well, learning java actually gives you an idea of C so it's not a bad thing to learn
[02:11] <francois> mine too
[02:11] <archangelpetro> indeed
[02:11] <vernes> Who here uses True Type Fonts in their application? I wish to know how to access alternative sizes instead of the name--0-0-0-0-p-0 version.
[02:11] <siikah> When beginning programming I'm all for starting with something that you actually can have some use of. Go for python! I began with php :)
[02:11] <francois> and cross platform
[02:12] <francois> so back to burepe, maybe python, but don't start with a big project, becaues you'll learn on the way
[02:12] <genii> burepe If you wish to program for web applications learn something like java or PHP, if you wish to do apps for the local computer java or shell scripting is a good place to start
[02:12] <zyth> pascal!
[02:12] <zyth> ;)
[02:13] <francois> gross
[02:13] <AzMoo> fortran!
[02:13] <francois> :)
[02:13] <siikah> asm.. :o
[02:13] <francois> binary !
[02:13] <HymnToLife> assembly ftw :p
[02:13] <zyth> back in the day :)
[02:13] <genii> bleh next we'll all be going back to loathsome COBOL
[02:13] <zyth> I programmed my first assembler in pascal.
[02:13] <francois><PHONE_NUMBER>0001100
[02:13] <zyth> hehe
[02:13] <genii> windoze was originally done in pascal actually
[02:13] <vernes> Who uses TTF in his app?
[02:13] <HymnToLife> hmm, now that I think about it
[02:13] <HymnToLife> isn't that kind of !offtopic ?
[02:14] <zyth> nah, there's pascal packages for ubuntu
[02:14] <zyth> ;)
[02:14] <genii> !info pascal
[02:14] <francois> hahaha
[02:14] <ubotu> Package pascal does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[02:14] <zyth> !info freepascal
[02:14] <francois> ok ok, anyone actually need help in here ?
[02:14] <ubotu> Package freepascal does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[02:14] <zyth> hmm
[02:14] <zyth> I am sure it DOES
[02:14] <vernes> francois, yes
[02:14] <zyth> sec.
[02:14] <visik7> genii: ok I've compiled both 536 and 537 , none of them can be loaded so it's not an intel modem, now I try smarklink
[02:14] <visik7> :)
[02:14] <francois> vernes: go head, lets see if we can help
[02:14] <Seveas> !fpc | genii, zyth
[02:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fpc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:15] <Seveas> hmm
[02:15] <Seveas> !find fpc
[02:15] <vernes> francois:  I'm writing an app in which I wish to use scalable fonts, however, Ubuntu only offers the default size fo the scalable font. How do I use a scalable (ttf) font in an alternative size?
[02:15] <genii> visik7 Heh :) Persistent
[02:15] <ubotu> File fpc found in fp-compiler, fp-units-base, fp-units-db, fp-units-fcl, fp-units-fv (and 9 others)
[02:15] <AzMoo> visik7, what does lspci tell you?
[02:15] <zyth> yep there it is
[02:15] <visik7> AzMoo: nothing relevant
[02:15] <Pntkl> Hi
[02:15] <francois> vernes: gimme a sec, i'll search it
[02:15] <sith-lord> sup?
[02:16] <AzMoo> visik7, onboard modem?
[02:16] <visik7> AzMoo: yes on my lapyop
[02:16] <visik7> laptop
[02:16] <ardchoille> zyth, Is it the fp-compiler you're talking about?
[02:16] <AzMoo> visik7, is it enabled in bios? If it's onboard then lspci should have something about it.
[02:16] <zyth> ardchoille, yes, it is
[02:16] <visik7> AzMoo: yes it is
[02:16] <genii> AzMoo lspci reports nothing saying it's a modem but apparently scanmodem tells him it's attached to some intel audio controller
[02:18] <AzMoo> That's an odd one, isn't it?
[02:18] <visik7> ok this is the output of scanModem
[02:18] <visik7> http://paste.plone.org/12788
[02:18] <francois> vernes: so you're just looking to use ttf fonts ?
[02:19] <yomm> How do I remove something that I installed with make & make install ?
[02:19] <vernes> yes, but I only get offered the 0-0-0-0-p-0 version of the font
[02:19] <visik7> yomm: if you are lucky make uninstall otherwise there isn't an easy way
[02:19] <ardchoille> yomm, Lots of times you can use 'make uninstall'
[02:19] <yomm> ok i c ! :) I'll give that a try ! thx
[02:20] <battlesqu1d> i'm setting up a server and need to choose between dapper and edgy. i have heard that in general it is recommended to use a stable version for servers, is edgy stable enough?
[02:20] <loca|host> hi all, i'm facing a strange problem, i've lost my grub after windows install, so booted on a Kubuntu LiveCD, and in the way of restoring my grub, i've mounted my /dev/sda3 (SATA disk) wich is my old / mount point, i get it mounted but when i list the mounted folder, all folders are marked like this : ?---------- ? ?     ?           ?                          ? mymountpoint/root
[02:20] <genii> Likely some controllerless HCF thing
[02:20] <vernes> francois: yes, but I only get offered the 0-0-0-0-p-0 version of the font ( repeated responce because of scroll speed )
[02:20] <francois> vernes: did you install the msttcorefonts ? are those what you're looking for ?
[02:20] <yomm> I"m trying to compile metisse , but it's not cooperating ;)
[02:20] <AzMoo> visik7, So what's lspci tell you is at the Bus ID 00:1b.0
[02:20] <visik7> AzMoo: audio card
[02:21] <visik7> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[02:21] <vernes> francois: msttcorefonts? how do I find out? it's an package in my package manager? or a list of fonts?
[02:21] <genii> visik7 Please pastebin ModemData.txt
[02:21] <francois> vernes: simply do : sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[02:22] <francois> vernes: those are all of the windows ttf fonts,
[02:23] <visik7> genii: here it is http://paste.plone.org/12789
[02:23] <vernes> francois: these are fonts, but does it also add support for it? I can add ttf's and aad them to my app. The trick is to get them displayed in a size I want.
[02:23] <rockzman> Can someone help me to compile something
[02:23] <ardchoille> rockzman, What are you compiling?
[02:23] <battlesqu1d> i'm setting up a server and need to choose between dapper and edgy. i have heard that in general it is recommended to use a stable version for servers, is edgy stable enough?
[02:23] <rockzman> ardchoille, an usb driver
[02:23] <rockzman> ardchoille, make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.20-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[02:23] <rockzman> rt2570.ko failed to build!
[02:24] <francois> vernes: i'm not sure i can help you there, but i'll keep searching
[02:24] <HymnToLife> battlesqu1d, edgy is stable
[02:24] <francois> battlesqu1d: edgy is quite stable
[02:24] <ardchoille> rockzman, 2.6.20???
[02:24] <vernes> Thanks
[02:24] <rockzman> i get this error but i have this directory
[02:24] <francois> battlesqu1d: most of everyone is running edgy
[02:24] <battlesqu1d> francois, ok, so u will recommend i upgrade+
[02:24] <battlesqu1d> ?
[02:25] <rockzman> 2.6.12-10-386  2.6.15-27-386  2.6.20-5-386
[02:25] <rockzman> 2.6.12-9-386   2.6.17-10-386  2.6.20-5-generic
[02:25] <rockzman> fr3ak@fr3ak:/lib/modules$
[02:25] <rockzman> ardchoille, look your pm
[02:25] <rockzman> how can i organize this folders
[02:25] <battlesqu1d> HymnToLife, so you recommend i upgrade then?
[02:25] <siikah> battlesqu1d, depends on what the server is for... webserver/php/mysql you probably want edgy
[02:25] <HymnToLife> battlesqu1d, no
[02:25] <battlesqu1d> siikah, yeah that's just what i'm using it for
[02:25] <ardchoille> rockzman, I don't know much about kernel modules.
[02:25] <HymnToLife> if it's running Dapper, it's fine
[02:25] <HymnToLife> don't bother upgrading
[02:25] <battlesqu1d> HymnToLife, why not?
[02:26] <HymnToLife> battlesqu1d, the question is "why upgrade" :p
[02:26] <genii> visik7 Have you tried to setup some ppp connection using /dev/modem as the device?
[02:26] <rockzman> ardchoille, do you know why so many directories on my modules folder shouldnt i have only one?
[02:26] <HymnToLife> golden rule : if it works, do't touch it
[02:26] <ardchoille> What kernel is the current for Edgy?
[02:26] <visik7> genii: yes it doesn't work
[02:26] <battlesqu1d> HymnToLife, yeah well, i need f.ex vim 7.0 and it was a lot of work to backport it.. so i guess would rather upgrade..got edgy at home and love it
[02:26] <francois> battlesqu1d: yeah if you have dapper don't touch it
[02:26] <mytruehero> For some reason, I can't get my computer to boot the Ubuntu CD. Is there any other way that I can install Ubuntu on that machine?
[02:26] <Pici> ardchoille: 2.6.17-10
[02:27] <visik7> genii: btw on the ml pasting my vendor and product id they saying that is supported by hcf driver
[02:27] <francois> mytruehero: did you check the bios boot order ?
[02:27] <ardchoille> Pici, Thank you
[02:27] <HymnToLife> battlesqu1d, then upgrade, if you think you have a good enough reason for it
[02:27] <siikah> if the server is supposed to run in a closet 100km from where you live, then stable is probably wise. if you have easy access to it edgy is for you :). didn't actually know anyone used ubuntu as a server.
[02:27] <mytruehero> francois: Yes; it says that the Ubuntu CD is "not a bootable device"
[02:27] <visik7> genii: http://archives.linmodems.org/23386
[02:27] <pbureau> Morning to all
[02:27] <mdeboer> mytruehero: do you have windows installed on that machine?
[02:27] <battlesqu1d> francois, just upgraded from badger to dapper, so why not to edgy...
[02:27] <mytruehero> mdeboer: Yes.
[02:27] <genii> visik7 Yeah I figured some HCF controllerless chip.
[02:27] <visik7> sorry HSF
[02:27] <francois> battlesqu1d: if you've done it, then you know how easy it is :)
[02:28] <mdeboer> mytruehero: i read something about being able to install ubuntu from windows, but i have no idea if it is still experimental
[02:28] <francois> mytruehero: does the cd load in windows ? do apps show up ?
[02:28] <uzr> hello, what dir ubuntu uses to run commands upon boot ?
[02:28] <IdleOne> mytruehero: make sure that when burning you chose " burn image" and not burn data
[02:28] <ardchoille> What is the latest stable kernel out right now?
[02:28] <ardchoille> 2.6.18?
[02:28] <HymnToLife> ardchoille, 2.6.20
[02:28] <mytruehero> IdleOne: The CD is valid. I am running Ubuntu on this machine, which I installed from the very same CD.
[02:28] <ardchoille> HymnToLife, Ah, ok
[02:28] <uzr> hello, wich file ubuntu uses to run commands upon boot ?
[02:28] <jackycxh> ardchoille: 2.6.19
[02:28] <rockzman> can someone help me with my kernel
[02:28] <rockzman> ?
[02:29] <jackycxh> rockzman: ?
[02:29] <ardchoille> jackycxh, odd numbered kernels aren't stable, AFAIK
[02:29] <mytruehero> mdeboer: Do you mean this? http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/about-the-ubuntu-installer-for-windows/ It looks like that will install Ubuntu on my Windows partition. Not really what I'm after.
[02:29] <burepe> Can some one give me some direction on getting a program started here are the details http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2108880#post2108880
[02:29] <jackycxh> ardchoille: really?
[02:29] <Wesleysld> Test,
[02:29] <visik7> genii: do I have to pay for Hsf modem driver ?
[02:29] <siikah> uzr, please don't spam. take a look at /etc/rc?.d
[02:29] <mdeboer> mytruehero: uhm yes, that's it.
[02:29] <rockzman> jackycxh, i got more than 4 folders on my lib modules folder why is that?
[02:29] <ardchoille> jackycxh, even = stable, odd = devel
[02:29] <mytruehero> francois: Yes. When browsing the CD in Windows, I can run the start.exe program fine.
[02:30] <francois> mytruehero: you can try to get madboot, and get it to boot from your cd, if you can, maybe its just a bios thing, or maybe your drive isn't functioning
[02:30] <ardchoille> rockzman, I"m wondering how you got a 2.6.20 kernel on Edgy. Did you build that yourself?
[02:30] <jackycxh> rockzman: have you install 4 versions of kernel early?
[02:30] <mytruehero> francois: It may be a BIOS thing. When I built this computer, I made the mistake of cheaping on the motherboard.
[02:30] <jackycxh> ardchoille: Thanks.
[02:30] <genii> visik7 do sudo apt-get-linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) then see if modprobe -l *hsf*   shows a result
[02:30] <rockzman> jackycxh, no i just installed all available updates
[02:31] <rockzman> 2.6.12-10-386  2.6.15-27-386  2.6.20-5-386
[02:31] <rockzman> 2.6.12-9-386   2.6.17-10-386  2.6.20-5-generic
[02:31] <visik7> genii: no nothing about hsf
[02:31] <rockzman> i have all of this folders on my lib/modules
[02:31] <francois> mytruehero: ah, ok well go to madboot.com and try their utility, and then boot from floopy and choose boot from cd
[02:31] <jackycxh> rockzman: That's right, the update should install the newer kernel module for you.
[02:31] <mytruehero> francois: Floppy? What's that? ;)
[02:31] <rockzman> jackycxh, now i try to compile a usb module for my wireless usb adapter
[02:31] <rockzman> and it says
[02:32] <francois> jackycxh: i think he's got the 686 image, but installed the 386 also, i did that many times
[02:32] <francois> mytruehero: no floopy ? lol
[02:32] <AzMoo> mytruehero, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation Check advanced.
[02:32] <rockzman> jackycxh, make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.20-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[02:32] <rockzman> rt2570.ko failed to build!
[02:32] <AzMoo> mytruehero, heaps of options.
[02:32] <AzMoo> rockzman, got the right permissions?
[02:32] <HymnToLife> rockzman, kernel headers installed ?
[02:32] <ardchoille> jackycxh, francois How did he get the 2.6.20 kernel on Edgy?
[02:32] <rockzman> yes i got that is not about permissions is about the directory is not found
[02:33] <rockzman> HymnToLife, how to know that
[02:33] <francois> no idea
[02:33] <HymnToLife> rockzman, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:33] <mytruehero> AzMoo: Thanks, I'll take a look at that.
[02:33] <HymnToLife> !info linux-image-generic feisty
[02:33] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS> (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[02:33] <mytruehero> Thanks for the help, everyone. If I get it working, I'll let you know what I did.
[02:34] <ardchoille> Oh, he may be on Feisty
[02:34] <francois> mytruehero: better yet post a forum about it, so ppl can look it up later
[02:34] <rockzman> HymnToLife, tryin that
[02:35] <gnomefreak> feisty issues and topics go to #ubuntu+1
[02:35] <XDy> does anyone know how to find the busid to a pci/agp video card
[02:36] <jackycxh> XDy: lspci
[02:37] <francois> XDy: you can also use kinfocenter
[02:38] <visik7> genii: nothing to do also hsf says Warning: no device detected by hsf driver - HDA modems may require reboot
[02:38] <XDy> thx guys
[02:38] <visik7> obviously I've rebooted
[02:38] <AzMoo> visik7, what laptop do you have?
[02:38] <visik7> AzMoo: Asus v6j
[02:39] <genii> visik7 does device ttySL0 exist?
[02:39] <visik7> no
[02:41] <compengi> if there are 2 users on ubuntu machine one is root and the other is ordinary user, can the ordinary user browse to the home directory or the root one?
[02:41] <NoEvidenZ> I've successfully broken my Ubuntu installation again. Now now, save the congratulations until later. I need to know how to fix it. I put beryl-manager in the Sessions thingy from the menu. How do I remove it from a tty, as in, without logging into the GUI.
[02:42] <genii> visik7 According to your scanmodem output, /dev/modem is a symlink to that. But it needs the right module of course loaded to create it first before it becomes useful
[02:42] <vernes> francois: package "freetype1-tools" has a util named "ttf2bdf". It lets you generate static sized fonts from ttf's. I now can use True Type Fonts by changing em.
[02:42] <genii> compengi: No. Not unless they use sudo
[02:42] <incorrect> hi, i was wondering if evolution in ubuntu 6.10 had ldap support,  i see stubs for it, but no implementation
[02:42] <visik7> ok SL is smarklink ? so I need to compile smart link module right ?
[02:43] <HymnToLife> visik7, no, there are precompiled binaries of it available
[02:43] <HymnToLife> and an ubuntu package too
[02:43] <anandanbu> hi i need help in installing mp3 plugins for amarok
[02:43] <visik7> where ?
[02:43] <HymnToLife> !find sl-modem
[02:43] <ubotu> Found: sl-modem-daemon, sl-modem-source
[02:43] <compengi> genii, i mean ordinary browsing using nautilus
[02:43] <IdleOne> !mp3 | anandanbu
[02:43] <ubotu> anandanbu: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:43] <genii> visik7 Try to see if modprobe -l slmodem* show it first
[02:43] <visik7> exactly only daemon and source
[02:44] <HymnToLife> visik7, you'll need only the daemon
[02:44] <visik7> genii: no there isn'0t any sl module around here
[02:44] <visik7> I've restricted enabled
[02:44] <francois> vernes: haha yes ?
[02:44] <vernes> francois: package "freetype1-tools" has a util named "ttf2bdf". It lets you generate static sized fonts from ttf's. I now can use True Type Fonts by changing em.
[02:44] <visik7> HymnToLife: the daemon without a kernel module ?
[02:44] <genii> compengi Any users who cannot normally do cd..  up beyond their home directory root will not be able to see anything outside of that
[02:44] <riaal> where do I check my ip config in terminal?
[02:44] <francois> vernes: ah ! i remember seeing those, damnit, should of thought of it
[02:45] <HymnToLife> visik7, it should load the kernel module too
[02:45] <fatbrain> !rpm
[02:45] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[02:45] <HymnToLife> at least that's what it did on mine, but it was a while ago
[02:45] <visik7> HymnToLife: sl-modem-daemon descrition says that I need an alsa module for the modem or the sl module
[02:45] <richie__> hello
[02:45] <HymnToLife> yes
[02:45] <HymnToLife> it will load the correct alsa module
[02:45] <richie__> I have a little question!
[02:46] <AzMoo> richie__, then ask it!
[02:46] <anandanbu> how do i install realplayer in ubuntu 6.10
[02:46] <genii> riaal do ifconfig
[02:46] <visik7> HymnToLife: installing it I got:
[02:46] <visik7> FATAL: Module ungrab_winmodem not found.
[02:46] <visik7> FATAL: Module slamr not found.
[02:46] <riaal> genii, of corse, thanks
[02:46] <richie__> thanks. i forced in synaptics a special version of a package. now i want to undo this forcing.
[02:47] <HymnToLife> visik7, did you send your modemData.txt to the linmodems.org mailing-list as I told you ?
[02:47] <HymnToLife> they'll help better than us
[02:47] <richie__> how can i make this?
[02:47] <compengi> genii, so no need for setting any permissions to the home directory and for the user, right?
[02:47] <XDy> werd
[02:47] <visik7> HymnToLife: do I need to subscribe to send modemData.txt ?
[02:47] <XDy> can anyone help me set up these dual monitors
[02:47] <XDy> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4277/
[02:47] <francois> anandanbu: sudo apt-get install realplay
[02:48] <genii> compengi No, when you did adduser or whatever, it made their home directory recursively theirs. But they cannot cd or write anywhere else in the filesystem unless they have sudo privelege
[02:48] <HymnToLife> visik7, yes
[02:49] <compengi> genii, okay thanks alot
[02:49] <genii> compengi np
[02:49] <richie__> my problem is: apt don't wanne upgrade this package. becouse i forced the installed version.
[02:50] <francois> richie__: how did you force it again ?
[02:50] <Jowi> richie__, so remove it. "sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename"
[02:50] <tom47>  richie have you tried completely uninstalling it and then installing the version you want?
[02:50] <richie__> --purge?
[02:50] <richie__> thanks
[02:50] <MKDE> hi, how to add plugins to kaffeine? (wmv mpg)?
[02:50] <francois> richie__: purge removes all the files on the system
[02:50] <XDy> what was the other command to view BusID again?
[02:50] <richie__> ah
[02:50] <richie__> great
[02:50] <XDy> kinfo something
[02:51] <francois> lspci
[02:51] <francois> or kinfocenter
[02:51] <richie__> its the beryl package
[02:51] <XDy> ty
[02:51] <AzMoo> XDy, your BusID should be PCI:0:10:0
[02:51] <genii> richie__ find out the previous version you were using by doing  apt-cache search <packagename>   then do apt-get -f install <packagename>=<versionnumber>   where versionnumber is something like #.#.#ubuntu# eg: 0.1.2ubuntu5  or whatever version cache reported for the old package
[02:51] <XDy> Azmoo, for the second card?
[02:51] <richie__> it crashed a few days ago, and i rolled back.. now the fix is avalible
[02:52] <francois> !codecs | MKDE
[02:52] <ubotu> MKDE: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:52] <Perryman> is anyone having problems in dapper firefox or opera loading youtube videos off of opera?
[02:52] <Alexc90> where i can find a xchat python module?
[02:52] <AzMoo> XDy, "PCI:00:0a.0" <-- Needs to be converted from hex to decimal. So if that's your second card, then yes.
[02:52] <Perryman> i know flash works because macromedia and youtube load, yet video files linked to youtube aren't loading
[02:52] <XDy> Azmo, ah
[02:52] <XDy> okay
[02:52] <Perryman> either it's another type of file, or it's wrong on their end
[02:52] <genii> 0a hex = 10 dec
[02:53] <Alexc90> noone can help me?
[02:53] <francois> Perryman: what website are you looking at ?
[02:53] <XDy> is the rest of the setup good?
[02:53] <francois> Alexc90: what are you looking for ?
[02:53] <richie__> i test this
[02:53] <Perryman> http://chumpthreads.livejournal.com/ for example
[02:53] <Perryman> if you scroll there are some embedded video files that show white for me
[02:53] <Alexc90> i want to install the module
[02:53] <Perryman> even though i have flash player
[02:54] <francois> Perryman: they work for me, did you install the flash player from the site www.adobe.com ?
[02:54] <Perryman> no, i installed it from add/remove software
[02:55] <MKDE> if i install Videolan, will it read wmv and mpg format or i need plugins?
[02:55] <francois> Perryman: theres a new version, flash player 9
[02:55] <Perryman> francois: if i'm supposed to get it from adobe.com how should i install it
[02:55] <francois> Perryman: you download the file, extract it, then cd to the folder, and then do ./flashplayer-install
[02:55] <Perryman> according to flash.com i have version 9,0,31,0
[02:56] <francois> MKDE: you can just get mplayer, it has all the lateste codecs for most things
[02:56] <francois> MKDE: and its awsome
[02:56] <francois> Alexc90: i can't find a python module for xchat
[02:56] <Perryman> francois: it says i have the latest version on adobe.com.... very odd
[02:57] <francois> Perryman: yeah that is weird, but the videos work, could just be the webpage for you, are all your packages up to day ?
[02:57] <Alexc90> francois, i'm italian, i don't know english very good. sorry :-(
[02:57] <ardchoille> francois, Is the python module the same thing as a python interface for XChat?
[02:57] <Perryman> yeah, just ran all updates, dapper is good
[02:57] <francois> Alexc90: thats ok, you're doing good :)
[02:57] <Perryman> i'll check later
[02:57] <MKDE> ok francois i will download it thanks
[02:58] <francois> ardchoille: maybe, do you know where to find it ? maybe you can help Alexc90 out
[02:58] <ardchoille> francois, Alexc90 I noticed that the python interface is loaded bydefault when I start XChat in Dapper. Maybe Alexc90 already has it?
[02:58] <rem> Hey all ... whats a good laptop for ubuntu ? (15.4'', 1gb, not too heavy..)
[02:58] <fredl> I just hate the feeling....
[02:58] <Alexc90> in Edgy
[02:58] <zach> Hello, I just added a new hard drive and formatted it, but how can I get it so Ubuntu will see it + let me use it all the time
[02:59] <quaal> god damn
[02:59] <zach> should I add a mount script to the start up calls?
[02:59] <quaal> torrent programs really dont work out very well with ubuntu do they
[02:59] <fredl> that feeling where you're looking through the tons of cables and converters you've gathered throughout the year....
[02:59] <slowfast> how do you set environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH?  I have tried /etc/environment?
[02:59] <francois> quaal: use azureus
[02:59] <NoEvidenZ> How do I change my Gnome Startup Applications through a TTY?
[02:59] <francois> zach: did you mount it in fstab ?
[02:59] <Alexc90> but if i wirte import xchat it say "ImportError: No module named xchat
[02:59] <Alexc90> "
[02:59] <quaal> francois, when i open it it just disappears for no reason
[02:59] <fredl> searching for that one damned Cisco console plug that you *know* you have...
[02:59] <quaal> its terrible
[02:59] <zach> errm no
[03:00] <zach> no clue what that means... sort of a noob to this
[03:00] <fredl> and then finding lots of other things you thought you had lost....
[03:00] <Perryman> francois: are you aware of any SATA combo dvd/cd drive issues that are common to dapper and edgy?
[03:00] <fredl> but not *the* thing you're looking for.
[03:00] <francois> zach: did you make it a windows hard drive ? formated ntfs ?
[03:00] <zach> no, ext3
[03:00] <Se2> hello
[03:00] <francois> quaal: did you use the apt-get method to install it ?
[03:01] <francois> zach: and ubuntu doens't see it ? have you tried just looking under data storage ?
[03:01] <Alexc90> :O
[03:01] <francois> Perryman: no, i wasn't aware there were problems at all
[03:01] <Se2> anyone know what media player to install for xubuntu
[03:01] <zach> well, it sees it as "18.2 GB drive", but when I try clicking it, it says it cant mount it
[03:01] <quaal> francois, yes.
[03:01] <AzMoo> slowfast, do you want it retained over logins?
[03:01] <francois> Se2: you can use mplayer,
[03:01] <MKDE> franois: i guess i install mplayer directly from yast?
[03:01] <Se2> ok, thanks!
[03:02] <genii> rem All the Lenovo thinkpads are great for any linux. No extremely weird winhardware usually. Also Toshiba Satellite or Portage is not bad. But most Dell and HP sem to be plagued
[03:02] <quaal> francois, or no i think i may have used the add/remove programs in the menu
[03:02] <m4ytt> could any one tell me how i can access my documents from another hardrive  that has w*****z installed i am using ubuntu
[03:02] <zach> francois, i'd like to make it so I can use it anytime, without mounting, which is why i ask if I should mount it when the system starts up
[03:02] <quaal> francois, which i believe is the same as using apt-get
[03:02] <Se2> francois the banshee will not work  on xubuntu, yes?
[03:02] <scoobydoo> server irc.travian.com.pt
[03:02] <francois> zach: yeah you have to mount it in fstab, which loads when you first boot, to use it all the time
[03:02] <Se2> ok...
[03:02] <raf256> hello
[03:02] <raf256> how can I use the http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/  hardware list?
[03:03] <Se2> hello
[03:03] <francois> MKDE: yast ? lol you shouldn't have yasty
[03:03] <zach> francois, how do I go about doing this?
[03:03] <kenthomson> Can someone please help me by answering this question; How do i install metacity themes that i downloaded from gnome-look.org????
[03:03] <raf256> like to find "which video camera will work in ubuntu"
[03:03] <kenthomson> !hardware
[03:03] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:03] <genii> !themes
[03:03] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:03] <compengi> !flash
[03:03] <francois> zach: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountlinux
[03:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:03] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[03:03] <raf256> kenthomson: HOW to use this
[03:03] <zach> Thank you francois
[03:03] <francois> Se2: banshee ? i don't know what you're talking about
[03:04] <kenthomson> genii, i am talking about metacity themes which are different from GTK2.X themes, how do i use them?
[03:04] <kenthomson> raf256, sorry can't help you much
[03:04] <raf256> ok
[03:04] <kenthomson> !metacitytheme
[03:04] <m4ytt> could any one tell me how i can access my documents from another hardrive  that has w*****z installed i am using ubuntu
[03:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about metacitytheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:04] <AzMoo> kenthomson, just drag the tar.gz file into the theme manager thing.
[03:04] <genii> !changethemes
[03:04] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[03:05] <kenthomson> genii AzMoo, so the procedure is same for metacity theme or a general GTK2.X theme
[03:05] <francois> m4ytt: did you mount it ?
[03:05] <AzMoo> kenthomson, yep.
[03:05] <genii> bah kubuntu oriented bot
[03:05] <m4ytt> u mean are the cables in yes
[03:05] <kenthomson> AzMoo, thats what i needed thanks
[03:05] <daviey> j #launchpad
[03:05] <kenthomson> bye!
[03:05] <kenthomson> HAPPY UBUNTU-ing
[03:05] <daviey> whoops
[03:05] <francois> m4ytt: in linux you have to "mount" the drive, telling your system you can use it, is it a linux or a windows hard drive ?
[03:06] <m4ytt> windows
[03:06] <francois> m4ytt: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows
[03:06] <rem> thanx genii. Lenovo you always have to wait 3 months before you get them .. :( this HP (HP Compaq nx7400) claims to be Novell linux ready ...
[03:06] <m4ytt> thanks francois
[03:07] <francois> Novell linux == Suse, which is short for sucks
[03:07] <genii> I second francois
[03:07] <cyros> lol
[03:07] <Se2> i had installed bittorrent client for my xubuntu
[03:07] <fredl> god more flamebait
[03:07] <Se2> and where it was instaled, how to access it
[03:08] <anandanbu> how do i install new themes using theme manager in ubuntu 6.10 edgy eft
[03:08] <francois> Se2: you can try to run it in the terminal, by typing its name
[03:08] <genii> rem My Toshiba Satellite works great with Edgy
[03:08] <Kondor_> hi guys. I installed ubuntu. Sound is a bit strange. I boot sometimes and it does not work _at all_, then I reboot two or three times and it suddenly works. I read everything related to sound on ubuntu support pages and asked on forums, too, but I didn't solve my problem yet. Any suggestions?
[03:09] <francois> Kondor_: you're saying your sound sometimes works ? or the whole system sometimes works ?
[03:09] <Kondor_> the sound.
[03:09] <Se2> it says command not found
[03:09] <Kondor_> sometimes I hear the sound at login and I can listen to music etc. too
[03:09] <Se2> francois it says command not found
[03:09] <francois> Kondor_: and then sometimes you hear nothing ?
[03:09] <Kondor_> some other times it doesn't work nor at login nor when I start players.
[03:10] <francois> Se2: what did you install ?
[03:10] <Kondor_> francois: yes.
[03:10] <francois> Kondor_: have you checked to see if maybe the sound gets muted automatically on boot ?
[03:10] <rem> k thanx for info genii :)
[03:10] <Se2> francois: BitTorrent
[03:10] <genii> rem np
[03:10] <comicinker> hi there
[03:11] <Kondor_> it doesn't. Becuase even after boot I check the sound settings and everything seems to be all right.
[03:11] <francois> Se2: ah, you can't open it, it opens by itself when you click on .torrent files
[03:11] <anandanbu> can someone help me to install new themes for the ubuntu 6.10
[03:11] <comicinker> is it a problem for ubuntu to mount a 320GB ntfs firewire hdd?
[03:11] <francois> Kondor_: when you start players, do they give you an error ? or can you see the little animations of the sound playing ?
[03:12] <v4m21> Hi, how to get knoppix like virtual console under ubuntu ?
[03:12] <francois> comicinker: it shouldn't be
[03:12] <Kondor_> sure. The player works but sound doesn't output.
[03:12] <comicinker> I tried so, and it doesn't work
[03:12] <r_rehashed> Se2: you can go to System>Preferences>Menu Layout and check Bit Torrent under Internet
[03:12] <Kondor_> comicinker: use ntfs-3g tools.
[03:12] <francois> Kondor_: if you can see the little animations that the sound is playing, then maybe its a hardware problem, i can't really help you more than this
[03:12] <r1tm1x> wowwww
[03:13] <NaPsTeR> i heard that there is a new eyecandy for ubuntu...is that true?
[03:13] <Kondor_> francois: ty. I still wonder why this hardware problem only happens _sometimes_
[03:13] <Kondor_> I have to reboot three/four times before it works :(
[03:13] <comicinker> Kondor_: I can't get the device: dmesg output can be found here http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7291/
[03:13] <Kondor_> it's sucky.
[03:13] <francois> Kondor_: could be a short, my friend had a keyboard that was shorted, it would just randomly go nuts on him
[03:14] <francois> NaPsTeR: what eyecandy ? which one are you talking about
[03:14] <comicinker> the output shows the pluggin off an and on
[03:14] <NaPsTeR> i dunno...apparently 7.04 will look really good but u can download it for the earlier versions...cosmos or something like that
[03:15] <Kondor_> comicinker, how are you mounting the device?
[03:15] <Kondor_> manually?
[03:15] <comicinker> no I can't
[03:15] <Kondor_> or do you have a fstab line?
[03:15] <comicinker> I don't know the device
[03:15] <Kondor_> *lol*
[03:15] <Kondor_> how can you mount it then? :D
[03:15] <Kondor_> hehehe
[03:15] <comicinker> hehe
[03:15] <Kondor_> what device is it? sda, hda, etc? :D
[03:16] <francois> lol linux masters foiled again, lol
[03:16] <cyros> lol
[03:16] <comicinker> yeah, what device, exactly. but I can't find it as a device because my system doesn't recognice the hd correctly
[03:16] <anandanbu> how do i install themes for the Gaim
[03:16] <Kondor_> try
[03:17] <NET||abuse> hey guys,, anyone know what the deal is going to be with firefox 2,, and when it'll come out in edgy debs?
[03:17] <comicinker> please have a look at my gmesg output http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7291/
[03:17] <ullvarg> could someone please tell me which of the files here http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/deb/ I need to download to get dvd suport on a celeron based computer?
[03:17] <NoEvidenZ> aha! I got it!
[03:17] <Kondor_> sudo /sbin/fdisk /dev/hda or sudo /sbin/fdisk /dev/sda
[03:17] <Kondor_> and paste the output.
[03:17] <comicinker> ones again: my system cannot recocgnice it correctly
[03:17] <comicinker> I paste the output on http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7291/
[03:17] <Kondor_> I see...
[03:17] <Kondor_> hm...
[03:18] <CarinArr> NET||abuse: what do you mean? firefox 2 is already available in edgy debs
[03:18] <Kondor_> hm. No clue.
[03:18] <knovak> Why did GNOME switch to the crappier screen saver client? Xscreensaver was so much better, in terms of letting you change things
[03:18] <knovak> and, is there any way to switch back?
[03:18] <Se2> it says port 6881 is blacklisted (rejected by tracker) , anyone know what to do..
[03:18] <francois> NET||abuse: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/2.0/releasenotes/
[03:18] <comicinker> well, I thought I could get a hint at least in the english IRC
[03:19] <NET||abuse> CarinArr, wow, i wasn't with it here,, yeh, it is firefox 2... dont know what's going on in my head.. anyway,, just not getting many updates to it,, and i get crashes frequently
[03:19] <slowfast> AzMoo:  Yes
[03:19] <Se2> i don't see any settings to change port in this BitTorrent ..
[03:19] <CarinArr> NET||abuse: hm.. dunno about crashes.. I haven't had any problems at all with mine
[03:19] <NET||abuse> CarinArr, dunno, just sometimes, maybe 3 tabs into my session i get a hang and it crashes out
[03:19] <AzMoo> slowfast, put "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/the/path/here" into ~/.bashrc
[03:19] <francois> Se2: its not your port, its the tracker's ports, it means the torrent is bad
[03:20] <NET||abuse> CarinArr, it's not a memory issue, i have 1.5GB
[03:20] <CarinArr> NET||abuse: weird.. i can't remember the last tiem mine crashes and i always have a massive amount of tabs open
[03:20] <comicinker> so no one can give me a hint for my firewire - harddisc?
[03:20] <CarinArr> meh, add spelling
[03:20] <NET||abuse> CarinArr, dunno, i should really check out the bugzilla list for the edgy version
[03:20] <comicinker> please....
[03:20] <CarinArr> yeah, might be a good idea
[03:20] <NET||abuse> CarinArr, thanks anyway :)
[03:21] <CarinArr> sorry i can't help;)
[03:21] <Se2> torrent can't be bad, yesterday i downloaded it with bitcomet
[03:21] <slowfast> AzMoo:  Thanks, I will try it.  However, will that work for programs started from the gnome menu?
[03:21] <[H4z3] > Hey can anyone help with streaming video on firefox?
[03:21] <CarinArr> Se2: what torrent client are you using
[03:21] <francois> [H4z3] : sure, what do you need ?
[03:21] <NET||abuse> CarinArr, then again,,, maybe beryl is part of my problem,,,, wait no,, i've got the crashes during non beryl sessions
[03:21] <norf-ubu> h4z3: as in youtube ?
[03:21] <Se2> now i use BitTorrent
[03:21] <kamui> anyone familiar with how I can add a context item to a menu in gnome?  Im trying to link my isomount and isounmount scripts to specific file extensions (.iso .img .bin)
[03:21] <NET||abuse> CarinArr, do you have the flash plugin (nonfree v9 ) loaded up?
[03:21] <[H4z3] > Well, i installed vlc flugin to play mpg files... but it only comes up as a blank page saying no video
[03:21] <NET||abuse> or Realplayer plugin?
[03:22] <CarinArr> NET||abuse: both i think. at work at the moment and running a completely clean install so can't check
[03:22] <Se2> i'll try another p2p client.
[03:22] <francois> [H4z3] : you might need codecs,
[03:22] <beni_> is anyone in here willing to help me setting the dns for my domain correctly? i dont get it :-(I
[03:22] <NET||abuse> CarinArr, :) ahhh, ok..
[03:22] <CarinArr> but my home machines are loaded with all sorts
[03:22] <francois> !codecs | [H4z3]
[03:22] <ubotu> [H4z3] : For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:22] <norf-ubu> [H4z3] : go down the codecs route ^^^^
[03:22] <[H4z3] > Thanks ill check it out
[03:23] <francois> np
[03:23] <sirius> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy   <--- this link is quite useful
[03:24] <[H4z3] > is there anyway of making firefox choose vlc rather then totem for playing videos or other web media
[03:24] <compengi> francois, how to check the version of flash plugin in firefox?
[03:24] <NaPsTeR> how do u download stuff with cvs
[03:24] <l0s3r> !offtopic
[03:24] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[03:24] <genii> beni_ You are trying to set up your own nameserver for a domain that is being hosted someplace? Or is it some dynamic dns deal
[03:24] <NaPsTeR> theres an app i want but it ses i need cvs so i got it and i stil cant get the app
[03:24] <francois> compengi: i don't think its only for firefox, you can check with flash.com or adobe.com the latest being v9.0
[03:25] <anandanbu> can anyone in this channel help me to install new desktop themes for the ubuntu 6.10
[03:25] <sirius> isn't it i have to install firefox 32bit to use flash?
[03:25] <compengi> francois, yeah i know that it's 9 but i want to make sure that i have it
[03:25] <anandanbu> is there anyone
[03:25] <sirius> any alternative?
[03:25] <cyros> i installed fluxbuntu and went to a site that needed flash and press install and it went through and worked fine i was amazed
[03:25] <norf-ubu> [H4z3] :  a good guide for codecs etc and players for firefox is http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/#multimedia
[03:26] <francois> compengi: if you have it installed, thats the one you have, it'll override any other versions
[03:26] <francois> compengi: no matter way
[03:26] <francois> compengi: no matter what*
[03:27] <tom47>  [H4z3]  i am trying to do the same at the moment ... and have had some but not complete success
[03:27] <NaPsTeR> ??
[03:27] <[H4z3] > Im going to try and update totem
[03:27] <[H4z3] > Although i prefer vlc
[03:27] <[H4z3] > sudo apt-get install totem-xine libxine-extracodecs
[03:27] <Memener> Hello i have been looking on the web and forums for this problem i seem to be having. I have a compaq armada 1750 and im tring to install kubuntu and after about 2 mins of loading the black x in the dead center appears and its been sitting there for to hours now... any links i found on this problem dont work like this one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=475
[03:28] <[H4z3] > ^ :|
[03:28] <tom47> [H4z3] : iremoved the mozilla firefoc totem plugin and replaced it with the vlc one
[03:28] <compengi> francois, okay, then do you know how to install the newest plugin for firefox?
[03:28] <[H4z3] > Yeah me too.. but i get the no video error
[03:28] <tom47> yes same here .... so what i did was ...
[03:28] <BetaCookies> [ATi]  I'm not sure what driver I should use :\ I'm leaning towards fglrx, because that recently added more support for my crappy radeon xpress 200m [I think..] . I just want to be able to use a resolution other than 800x600 and I want to try to use Beryl.. things like it work fine in w..i..*shudder*..ndows
[03:29] <tom47> [H4z3] : installed MediaPlayer Connectivity plugin
[03:29] <geo_> ATI is the devil!
[03:29] <norf-ubu> [H4z3] :  i'm sure its down to codecs
[03:29] <tom47> at least i can get things to play\
[03:29] <francois> compengi: if you install the flash plugin, firefox should just find it
[03:29] <mjr> BetaCookies, for xpress 200m you probably need fglrx yes for 3d acceleration
[03:29] <francois> compengi: or you can just update firefox,
[03:29] <mjr> it's a particularly bothersome chipset
[03:29] <[H4z3] > I'll install more codecs after i'v finished with kde
[03:30] <compengi> francois, i have flashplugin-nonfree installed with other libraries from GPL flash
[03:30] <tom47> norf-ubu no i disagree i can get them to play
[03:30] <mjr> geo_, let's be fair, all of ati, nvidia and matrox are the devil. The unholy trinity, so to speak ;)
[03:30] <francois> compengi: ok, did you get it from adobe.com ? or apt-get ?
[03:30] <genii> beni_  please describe more clearly where your domain is located and where the nameserver machine is located, and whether they use static assigned IP numbers and so on. I may be able to help
[03:30] <compengi> francois, apt-get
[03:30] <BetaCookies> okay thanks, mjr, it does suck XD
[03:30] <[H4z3] > tom47: How did u install meida player plugin
[03:31] <[H4z3] > The one that worked =P
[03:31] <francois> compengi: ok, there should be a newer realease on the website, should be version 9
[03:31] <tom47> [H4z3] : i will ive you the url ... pls wait
[03:31] <compengi> francois, from http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[03:31] <[H4z3] > Ok
[03:31] <Memener> does anyone know how to get rid of the x in the middle of the screen after loading form the cd? or if the know a link that can help me out
[03:31] <[H4z3] > KDE or gnome?
[03:31] <genii> bleh he didn't even stay long enough for some help
[03:31] <francois> Memener: you need to reset your xserver i think, i had the same problem
[03:32] <tom47> [H4z3] : https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/446/
[03:32] <Memener> how do i reset the xserver?
[03:32] <[H4z3] > tom47: nice one ill take a look thanks
[03:32] <riotkittie> Memener: errr. are you running from the live disc?
[03:33] <compengi> Memener, ctrl + backspace
[03:33] <Memener> i have restarted the computer many times and it does the same thing after booting from the cd
[03:33] <genii> Memener How much ram does this system have? If less than 256 it may take quite some while normally. With 192 it installs but very laggy. With 128 or less it hangs continuously and you must use the alternate install CD which needs less ram
[03:33] <riotkittie> Memener: is the computer locking up, or is it just X?
[03:33] <francois> genii: i think his xserver just isn't starting, so he's left with a x in his screen
[03:33] <corninos> #ubuntu-it-chat
[03:33] <Memener> yeah it locked up and it only has 64mbs of ram
[03:34] <genii> francois Yes, I've had this with exact same system at 256 works but 128 hangs
[03:34] <francois> genii: ah, good call
[03:34] <Memener> whats the name of the other install cd?
[03:34] <genii> Memener Then it will not work. You need the alternate install CD
[03:35] <[H4z3] > tom47: that worked.. although the video crashes after several second
[03:35] <[H4z3] > seconds-
[03:35] <norf-ubu> [H4z3] :  i'm sure its down to codecs
[03:35] <Vaan> !kernel > Vaan

[03:35] <lecrucious> Hope someone can help me with this. I have set up an HP DL 360 with 4GB of RAM and (2) 2.84 GHz Xeons. The host OS is ubuntu 6.10. Kernel 2.6.17-10-server. I have one VM running with a single processor assigned and 512MB of RAM. Here's my problem. When looking at the host via "top" the one "vmware-vmx" uses 101 - 111% of processor while inside the VM via task manager it peaks at 2%. I can't explain this and don't know where to start looking. I have four
[03:35] <tuskernini> QUESTION: does anyone use a ibm t40 laptop and have sound problems... it record and playback works... i just cant hear it.
[03:36] <Dregin> my version of Beryl is currently beryl-core 0.1.9999.1, how do I update to 0.2.0 RC2?
[03:36] <Memener> i just found out about ubuntu today but i have other linux os and they work fine why does this one need so much ram?
[03:36] <Dregin> this seems to be the latest release in apt-get
[03:36] <GruncH> hello everybody
[03:36] <fredl> Memener - X needs lots of RAM
[03:36] <francois> Memener: you could prolly run it fine from command line
[03:36] <fredl> Memener - it's not Linux itself that's using all the memory.
[03:37] <genii> Memener You can navigate to the appropriate site from here to get a choice of regular,server,or alternate install CDs http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download?action=show&redirect=download
[03:37] <genii> Memener Tho if you have 64mb only, you would be better to use Damn Small Linux
[03:38] <fredl> what would you do in 64MB, hmmm
[03:38] <genii> fredl Run a firewal/filter ? ;)
[03:38] <Memener> I was hoping to get a good verson running on it its a PII 366 64MB ram 6GB hd and a 4mb video card
[03:38] <riotkittie> or starting with a server install and then adding a light weight WM
[03:38] <genii> Memener: damn small linux link: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html
[03:39] <Memener> it runs windows xp without any problems
[03:39] <fredl> then install windows XP on it?
[03:39] <genii> Memener You will need at least 192Mb to install it and at least 128 to run it
[03:39] <Memener> thanks for the link :)
[03:39] <riotkittie> xp on 64mb of ram?   thats the second time i've heard that. and the mind, it boggles.
[03:39] <Cosmonaut3030> Memener: Give Damn Small Linux a try
[03:39] <francois> hahahaha,
[03:39] <francois> win xp ? whats that ? :P
[03:40] <Rossimo-work> whats the easiest way to find out the ubuntu version of a friend's box?
[03:40] <dbd_> can i just update and upgrade to next release after edgy using like apt-get or do i have to use live cd and upgrade
[03:40] <[H4z3] > u cant use aptitude/apt-get
[03:40] <Cosmonaut3030> dbd_: You need to edit your /etc/sources.list
[03:40] <Nikolas_> Rossimo-work, lsb_release -a
[03:40] <Jowi> Memener, use ubuntu-alternate cd and install a light wm such as ice-wm, WindowMaker or similar.
[03:40] <tom47> [H4z3] : sorry was checking some stuff out .... i have just installed the vlc alsa plugin as well
[03:40] <[H4z3] > ahh
[03:40] <dbd_> is there a howto in the forums?
[03:40] <Memener> i got dsl running and PI 133 32mb(ibm 310ed thinkpad) and theres noting to do with dsl its hard to get anything installed
[03:41] <Cosmonaut3030> dbd_: and then do apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:41] <riotkittie> fluxbox <3
[03:41] <[H4z3] > tom47: does it work fine now?
[03:41] <genii> Actually wdm as login and xfce is not too bad
[03:41] <mneptok> dbd_: you should be able to update via apt tools, but wait a few weeks after release for all your dependencies to settle nicely.
[03:41] <tom47> its working yes but one site i use there is some sort of script problem
[03:41] <Rossimo-work> thanks!
[03:41] <[H4z3] > Hmm
[03:41] <riotkittie> genii: ehhh. i find xfce quite heavy. on ubuntu, at least.
[03:41] <[H4z3] > Mine still freezes
[03:41] <dbd_> april is release was going to wait till around may 1st
[03:42] <[H4z3] > im gonna download more codecs soon
[03:42] <dbd_> just wondered if it would work
[03:42] <[H4z3] > after kde finishes.. about 15 years :P
[03:42] <dbd_> Cosmonaut3030, how do i fiqure out what sources to add
[03:42] <dbd_> or do i just change edgy to fawn?
[03:42] <genii> riotkittie: Well, you can go more minimalistic even but I think it's a nice balance of performance for the gui
[03:42] <Cosmonaut3030> dbd_: Yah.
[03:42] <francois> dbd_: just change
[03:43] <dbd_> nice
[03:43] <dbd_> so its easy thats good
[03:43] <dbd_> im getting to really like this ubuntu
[03:43] <dbd_> its a refreshing change
[03:43] <genii> for really minimal you can use fvwm2 with some decent menu configuration
[03:43] <nightwatch> hi there, is there any way to make apt test mirrors speed and choose between best mirros?
[03:43] <tom47> [H4z3] : i have another site where i can get the video (since beginning to use vlc) but still not the sound
[03:44] <dbd_> i have another question but dont wanna seem like im trolling
[03:44] <[H4z3] > tom46: Must be codecs
[03:44] <[H4z3] > tom47-
[03:44] <dbd_> its about the ubuntu server cd?
[03:44] <francois> nightwatch: i dont' think you can monitor that,
[03:44] <Cosmonaut3030> dbd_: ask it, someone will know
[03:44] <dbd_> anyone here have experience with it
[03:44] <dbd_> k
[03:44] <tom47> ah .... the sound is coming but is v hackey on that site
[03:44] <francois> nightwatch: besides, there aren't that many mirrors
[03:44] <lecrucious> when i do an apt-get upgrade it shows all the packages that will be upgraded. how can I look a a specific package to see what the new version number is without installing it?
[03:44] <Memener> also what im tring to test it out to see how well i like before i install it on this computer (my main) how well do you all think it would run on a ibm t22 its a PIII 950Mhz 256mb ram 30GB hd and a 8mb s3 video card
[03:44] <genii> dbd_ I'm running 6.06.1 dapper server install on 3 or 4 boxes
[03:45] <riotkittie> i use fluxbox <3  actually, i bounce back and forth between that and a few others including GNOME and until recently KDE and XFCE, but yea, XFCE wasnt a vast improvement :P    its odd because xfce on my other distro absolutely flies
[03:45] <tom47> [H4z3] : i dont thinks so its the setup
[03:45] <[H4z3] > Does it open vlc? or integrate into firefox?
[03:45] <[H4z3] > Hmm yeah maybe
[03:45] <tom47> [H4z3] : the sound is now fine
[03:45] <dbd_> i used centos server .. i was wondering about package details .. im sure to have to look at link .. to get but can i just do same thing to it and update it to fawn too
[03:46] <rwc> Hello
[03:46] <z0di4k> I am running Xorg 7.1.1 on Ubuntu Edgy.  I have 3 monitors setup.  The first 2 are on a PCI-E nVidia GeForce 6600GT using proprietary nVidia drivers, the third is on a PCI Riva TnT2 using the nv driver.  The first time I run xorg every day, when I put the mouse on the third monitor xorg crashes.  I restart it, and it is stable all day long.  I can use the third monitor fine.  Any ideas?
[03:46] <dbd_> or should i just add security updates only
[03:46] <[H4z3] > tom47: Your a step ahead of me then
[03:46] <tom47> [H4z3] : i am using The Australian and Sydney Morning Herald sites
[03:46] <BetaCookies> restarting for fglrx
[03:46] <fredl> dhclient just doesn't do what it says it'll do...
[03:47] <rwc> I am running Edgy and have the multiverse sources uncommented, but I cant find/install the package "msttcorefonts"... is this package meant to still be available?
[03:47] <nightwatch> francois I have about 5 mirrors listed in sources.list for archiv.ubuntu.com , fr, de, us, and br, but upt choose the first one and if it fails then start downloading from the other. I thought I read about to fix it in the past...
[03:47] <dbd_> genii, if you use dapper thats the long term one right, it just handles updates?
[03:48] <francois> rwc: its in multiverse, do you ahve them available ?
[03:48] <dbd_> isnt there an edgy version of server?
[03:48] <francois> nightwatch: then i dont' know how, sorry,
[03:48] <axisys> what is a good linux distro for a index 800Mhz and 256M ram server used mainly as wiki ?
[03:48] <AzMoo> dbd_, yes, there is.
[03:48] <rwc> francois, I think so, I uncommented the line mentioning multiverse and updated
[03:48] <rwc> but nothing
[03:48] <axisys> s/index/intel/
[03:48] <francois> and you did sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts ?
[03:48] <genii> dbd_ I'm not sure if there is a Feisty server version yet. But the upgrade process would be the same whether server version or not in ubuntu. Since centos is an open-sourced  redhat enterprise base it uses a different method of course based on the RPM system. since ubuntu is a debian based dist, it uses the deb method. also the repositories for them in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:49] <lordkeiden> good am ppl. what do i do to get my 2 year old reative web cam working?
[03:49] <axisys> can i run latest freebsd with good performance on a intel 800Mhz 256M ram as a wiki server?
[03:49] <rwc> francois, yes, I get an error including this: E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
[03:49] <fredl> If I put the single line 'request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, host-name, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope;' in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, it will still rewrite my /etc/resolv.conf
[03:49] <fredl> damnit.
[03:49] <genii> dbd_ Since these are production boxes for specific purposes, I don't care to upgrade the OS unless there is something new I require.
[03:50] <dbd_> ok but you do security updates?
[03:50] <z0di4k> axisys: Yes, it probably would, along with almost any linux distro.  Don't run xorg though.  I suggest if you choose BSD that you ask in #openBSD though
[03:50] <dbd_> most of my boxes are samba with lan access and no access to wan ?
[03:51] <francois> rwc: i dont' know what that error means, sorry
[03:51] <genii> dbd_ Yes. And a cron job of package upgrades about once a month.
[03:51] <francois> rwc: whta kind of system are you running ?
[03:51] <dbd_> nice
[03:51] <dbd_> how hard is it to setup crontab to update
[03:52] <francois> rwc: its available to all, so you should be able to get it
[03:52] <rwc> francois, rwc edgy, japanese mirrors, thinkpad laptop
[03:52] <dbd_> i know i sound like a n00b
[03:52] <rwc> -rwc
[03:52] <dbd_> i have be doing all updates manually
[03:52] <fredl> wait, the stupid thing caches leases doesn't it...
[03:52] <Se2> from where i can see software list for xubuntu
[03:52] <genii> dbd_ Just write a shell script with the appropriate commands to execute, then do a crontab to call it on a schedule
[03:52] <BetaCookies> Hey
[03:53] <dbd_> genii, k sounds great
[03:53] <francois> rwc: maybe your sources.list isn't right,
[03:53] <dbd_> k back to work see you guys later thanks a bunch
[03:53] <genii> dbd_ Have fun :)
[03:54] <Memener> is there a page that has the system reqirements for kubuntu ... my ibm t22 is doing the samething
[03:54] <lordkeiden> axisys: my wifes lappy is a sempron 1.6 with 256mb ram, and on battery it is full time at 800mhz, and she is fine with it. even when playing roller coaster tycoon and she forgets to close open offie....
[03:54] <rwc> francois, ok... not sure what I did wrong... I'll keep trying... thanks
[03:54] <francois> rwc: pastbin it, and i'll take a quick look
[03:55] <fredl> anybody know what I need to put in dhclient.conf so that it won't overwrite my local resolv.conf??
[03:57] <frogzoo> fredl: remove the domain-name-servers
[03:57] <TTT_Travis> can someone help me find the source of my problem? Computer to Ubuntu is amazingly slow over the network, but Ubuntu to Computer is normal speeds
[03:57] <TTT_Travis> why is this happening
[03:57] <TTT_Travis> could my ubuntu box have a bad nic?
[03:57] <onats> hi,what's the command so that i'll know if my card supports pixel shader?
[03:57] <genii> Memener The requirements are the same. 192 at min to install from livecd normal iso. 128 to run it
[03:57] <rwc> francois, ok, I'm on it
[03:57] <TTT_Travis> Ubuntu -> client = fast, Client -> Ubuntu = slow
[03:57] <TTT_Travis> no matter what client I am on
[03:57] <fredl> frogzoo, well I already emptied the whole dhclient.conf so it just has request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, host-name;
[03:58] <TTT_Travis> could my NIC card be bad or something?
[03:58] <frogzoo> fredl: you using dhcp or pppd ?
[03:58] <siikah> TTT_Travis: check cpu usage if you run iperf between the two hosts.
[03:58] <rwc> francois, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4285/
[03:58] <fredl> frogzoo, dhclient
[03:59] <BetaCookies> I'm using fglrx and a Radeon Xpress 200m chipset [integrated graphics] , and I was wondering if I should try to install Beryl. I've used WindowBlinds and other things like it in Windows with transparency and other effects working fine without lag. I know that the linux drivers aren't up to par with the windows ones, though..
[03:59] <Memener> my IBM t22 has 256mb ram and 30gb hd ... after i put the cd into it boots loads some stuff the the x appears and it locks up i have restarted 3 times now
[03:59] <fredl> dhclient doesn't seem to do what I put in the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[04:00] <g333k_work> hello, I need to compile statically the "shutdown" program, can you help me to do that?