[01:55] <sgclark> bah Unable to open /usr/share/kde4/apps/katepart/syntax/bash.xml
[02:00] <valorie> opens for me
[02:01] <valorie> did you need the contents?
[02:01] <valorie> otherwise, /me runs off for a few hours
[02:02] <sgclark> nah, thanks tho :)
[04:43] <manchicken_> ... wtf... cannot compile perl and get tests to pass...
[06:49] <Mirv> Riddell: I'm somewhat hoping that I could release Qt 5.3.2 on Monday to vivid. do you want to test something? (and is there much to test in vivid regarding Plasma 5 at the moment)
[06:49] <Mirv> I've frameworkintegration and plasma-framework installed from the rebuilds.
[06:50] <Mirv> apt-add-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-002 for testing
[07:00]  * Mirv successfully launches khelpcenter, systemsettings5, and manages to replace unity 7 with kwin_x11
[09:13] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:32] <Riddell> Mirv: sure, I can test all of plasma 5
[09:38] <Mirv> Riddell: thanks. AFAIK frameworkintegration and plasma-framework were the only packages in archives needing a rebuild (=depending on either qtbase-abi-5-3-0 or qtdeclarative-abi-5-3-0)
[09:39] <Riddell> Mirv: where do I test it from?
[09:39] <Mirv> Riddell: apt-add-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-002 && apt update && apt dist-upgrade
[09:40] <Mirv> Riddell: is there yet a package in archive with which you'd get sort of plasma 5 desktop? I was only able to find those kwin/helpcenter/systemsettings5 etc bits.
[09:54] <Riddell> Mirv: plasma-desktop but its still compiling i think
[09:54] <Riddell> Mirv: you can try kubuntu-ppa/next utopic
[09:56] <apachelogger> wgrant: why is it that some ppa builds are incredibly slow? e.g. https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6542332 vs. https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6538957
[10:00] <wgrant> apachelogger: Hm, I've seen that on a very occasional build the last few days. I wonder if one of the compute nodes is behaving sometimes. I'll investigate.
[10:00] <wgrant> s/behaving/misbehaving/
[10:00] <kubotu> wgrant meant: "apachelogger: Hm, I've seen that on a very occasional build the last few days. I wonder if one of the compute nodes is misbehaving sometimes. I'll investigate."
[10:01] <valorie> kubotu: so literal you are
[10:01] <apachelogger> wgrant: I can find some more examples if that helps
[10:09] <wgrant> apachelogger: That might be helpful.
[10:13] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6543498 (slow) vs https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6539429 (fast)
[10:14] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6543500 (slow) vs. https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6539441 (fast)
[10:16]  * apachelogger checks for something a bit older
[10:23] <apachelogger> apparently there have been publisher runs that lasted some 2 hours ^^
[10:25] <apachelogger> this one might be one https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6517194 (slow) vs. https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6520767 (fast)
[10:25] <apachelogger> wgrant: it does appear to be a rather recent thing, that october 30 build is the earliest case of slowness I have found so far
[10:27] <wgrant> Yeah, I've only noticed it this week.
[10:27] <wgrant> Thanks for the datapoints.
[10:47] <apachelogger> wgrant: I found an earlier outlier from October 24 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6491781 (slow) vs https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/6476977 (fast)
[10:54] <apachelogger> ../../lib/documentview/videoviewadapter.cpp:25:30: fatal error: Phonon/AudioOutput: No such file or directory
[10:54] <apachelogger>  #include <Phonon/AudioOutput>
[10:54] <apachelogger>                               ^
[10:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell, sgclark: can someone pretty plz repair phonon -.-
[10:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know why it can't find it?
[11:00] <Riddell> http://tech-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/11/01/1538227/kubuntu-1504-will-be-based-on-kde5  yay we made slashdot
[11:00] <apachelogger> because sune patches my software without asking first
[11:00] <apachelogger> so he screwed up and now phonon in debian and vivid is borked
[11:01] <Riddell> ah
[12:00] <_Groo_> is telepathy 0.9 supposed to have a contact list widget for plasma 5?
[12:01] <Riddell> nope
[12:01] <_Groo_> Riddell: ah ok, carry on then :D
[12:01] <Riddell> but there is something that shows in my panel when someone messages me
[12:01] <soee> hey
[12:02] <_Groo_> yes, because he uses the default notifications
[12:02] <_Groo_> ok, its working fine then :)
[12:02] <soee> _Groo_: can you test one thing with telepathy ?
[12:03] <_Groo_> soee: sure, what do you want me to test? i can fork bomb apachelogger with cute fluffy messages
[12:03] <_Groo_> like 10 thousand of them per sec
[12:04] <Riddell> I hope we'll have a real kf5 telepathy before 15.04 is out
[12:05] <_Groo_> Riddell: i saw a branch last week with the initial commits for kf5
[12:05] <_Groo_> so yeah, should be ready by 15.04
[12:06] <_Groo_> soee: what do you want me to test?
[12:06] <Riddell> it's our favourite polo shirt model... kbroulik!
[12:07] <kbroulik> Riddell: I didnt forget about it :)
[12:17] <soee> _Groo_: resize kde-telepathy window to smaller width , when you wont see the settings icon (onyl the Right arrow) and check if you can access this settings than anyhow
[12:18] <_Groo_> if by accessing it, you mean the > arrow, its greyed out,i believe its just a marker to show theres more stuff on the right,
[12:18] <_Groo_> so no, once you diminish the window, the settings are hidden and cant be accessed
[12:19] <_Groo_> but the arrow is there to warn theres more stuff on theright
[12:19] <soee> _Groo_: but give it even smaller width than wehn you press arrow, some options shows up
[12:20] <soee> all but not settings ;)
[12:28] <Antisound> hi folkz!
[12:29] <Antisound> Riddell: will there be a 15.04 image with plasma5 this week?
[12:35] <_Groo_> soee: ahah you are correct :)
[12:43] <soee> _Groo_: so i wonder if this should be concidered as a bug
[12:43] <soee> Plasma5 is already in Vivid by default ?
[12:56] <Antisound> soee: sure,... it's going to be
[12:56] <Antisound> soee: but the daily images aren't change yet
[13:51] <Odur> Anybody know why dch -i increments to UNRELEASED instead of utopic?
[13:51] <_Groo_> soee_: well its either a bug or a weird "feature"
[13:56] <Riddell> Odur: its the new behavious for the last year or so
[13:56] <Riddell> you can use dch -r I think to set it to released
[13:57] <yofel> -r right, there's also a setting to revert to the old behavior if you really want to
[13:57] <soee_> Riddell: the KF5 5.4.0 will be backported to 14.10 ?
[13:57] <yofel> (different people using different behavior is a bad idea though)
[13:57] <Riddell> soee: shrug, probably if there's a need
[13:57] <Riddell> but for now I should upload it to vivid
[13:57] <Odur> Riddell: Yeah, I just read that too :). Thanks anyway
[13:59] <Riddell> Odur: packaging anything interesting?
[14:00] <soee> _Groo_: this is it i think https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316591
[14:00] <Odur> Riddell: Nope. Just a wether-widget for SMHI (Swedish meterology institute)
[14:06] <Odur> For the first time in 6 years or so I upgraded my Kubuntu installation instead of doing a fresh install. Worked perfectly :)
[14:07] <Riddell> yay
[14:10] <Odur> Well, almost. Loading of firmware for my bluetooth don't work, but it's a minor problem. And there were one package that didn't get removed as it should. But that was fixed with manual removal
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:28] <Odur> The bluetooth problem was easily solved. For some reason it searched for the .hcd file at another location and a different name. Just move and rename and all is good :)
[15:08] <sgclark> morning
[15:11] <Riddell> hola sgclark
[15:11] <Riddell> KF5 5.4 in vivid
[15:11] <Riddell> and I forgot extra-cmake-modules
[15:11] <Riddell> you'd think I'd remember that by now
[15:11] <sgclark> lol
[15:11] <sgclark> Riddell: I put 5.1.1 in next staging
[15:12] <Riddell> oh groovy
[15:12] <Riddell> mostly green too http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.1.1_vivid.html
[15:13] <murthy> Can any one confirm this after reproducing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1389847
[15:15]  * Riddell only has free hardware that needs to scary drivers so doesn't have this issue
[15:17] <murthy> Riddell: Read the note at the end of the bug report
[15:17] <sgclark> my internet is only terrible in the sense that it cuts off all the time, when it is up it is speedy. So no I cannot reproduce :(
[15:19] <murthy> what happens when there is no network connectivity when the package manager is downloading a package?
[15:19] <murthy> does it wait or does it quit?
[15:20] <murthy> sgclark: Is it possible to reduce the internet speed in a virtual box?
[15:21] <sgclark> murthy: good question, that i can test, give me a few
[15:21] <murthy> ok
[15:21] <sgclark> murthy: hmm have never actually tried that
[15:22] <murthy> If that is possible reduce the speed to the very least possible
[15:23] <murthy> does the package manager check for a minimum internet speed before terminating  the download process?
[15:28] <apachelogger> if a host cannot be resolved it aborts immediately, if the networkinterface goes down it would probably also abort immediately, if there is IO starvation it will abort after a timeout of presumably at least 10 seconds
[15:28] <apachelogger> so you can put limit the speed to 1byte/s and it would still be good enough
[15:30] <apachelogger> do note that you can throttle the bandwith for apt itself, in case you don't want to limit the entire system... that way only the package downloads will be at a lower speed
[15:31] <murthy> apachelogger: can we limit the bandwidth in virtualbox?
[15:32] <apachelogger> probably
[15:33] <apachelogger> apt doesn't really care where it is run :P
[15:38] <murthy> apachelogger: Is there a possibility the driver-manager or apt blocking the main ubiquity process?
[15:38] <apachelogger> yes
[15:39] <murthy> ok
[15:43] <Riddell> dantti: sorry apper being removed from the archive now that kde-workspace-dev is gone
[15:45] <murthy> Just asking this out of curiosity, I had seen some python code in the kubuntu installer component, why so instead of using C++ ?
[15:46] <Riddell> murthy: python is easier than c++ to write, especially if you want your code to be either qt or gtk from 1 codebase
[15:47] <apachelogger> one might disagree on all of those points
[15:47] <apachelogger> ...
[15:47] <murthy> Ya thats true, but isn't it one of the reason why we changed kpackagekit with muon?
[15:47] <Riddell> nope
[16:08] <sgclark> fun.. ../../../phonon/platform_kde/kiomediastream.h:23:38: fatal error: Phonon/AbstractMediaStream: No such file or directory
[16:09] <sgclark> apachelogger: ^
[16:10] <Riddell> sgclark: where's this?
[16:10] <Riddell> sgclark: I've been moving phonon headers today
[16:11] <Riddell> sgclark: have you got phonon 4:4.8.0-~4ubuntu2  ?
[16:12] <sgclark> Riddell: next-staging
[16:13] <_Groo_> is the kio-extras triggered to build today?
[16:13] <_Groo_> in ci unstable
[16:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ./desktop/usr-share/layout.js
[16:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: scripts/casper-bottom/25adduser:      chroot /root install -D -o $USERNAME -g $USERNAME /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/layout.js /usr/share/plasma/shells/org.kde.plasma.desktop/contents/layout.js
[16:17] <shadeslayer> ok thx
[16:24] <apachelogger> wgrant: fwiw, today just about all builds seem incredibly slow, 90 sources that usually build in <6 hours have been for 16 hours now
[16:24] <apachelogger> seems to be getting worse every day :S
[16:44] <santa_> hi
[16:46] <santa_> have you pushed your partial work on 5.4.0 to git? I mean the manpages addition to not-installed and such
[16:46] <santa_> + the symbols update for plasma-framework
[16:56] <sgclark> seems not
[17:00] <sgclark> plasma-framework pushed as that was the one I worked on.
[17:02] <sgclark> Riddell: you did not apply your changes to 5.4.0 to git? :) I would have grab all the packages and create patches then push unless Riddell wants to push his changes
[17:12] <santa_> thanks for taking care
[17:24] <Riddell> sgclark: what what?
[17:24] <Riddell> santa_: yes it should be all in git
[17:24] <Riddell> kubuntu_vivid_archive branches
[17:25] <sgclark> Riddell: nah it isn't, been looking
[17:26] <sgclark> oh wait
[17:26] <sgclark> wierd
[17:27] <santa_> I have been forking siductions packaging from kubuntu_vivid_archive
[17:27] <sgclark> Riddell: this is odd, some are updated and others are not
[17:27] <santa_> thing is: for instance, your kross build doesn't complain about missing files (the manpage, which is compressed)
[17:28] <santa_> I guess because you updated the not-installed file
[17:28] <santa_> however my kross build complains about the missing file
[17:28] <santa_> compare http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.4.0_vivid.html
[17:28] <santa_> with http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kdenext_status/
[17:29]  * santa_ checks git again...
[17:31] <santa_> nope, kross/kubuntu_vivid_archive doesn't have the updated not-installed file
[17:31] <santa_> there are other packages with the same problem wrt manpages
[17:32] <santa_> it's not an issue for me, but just saying in case you missed some git pushes
[17:34] <santa_> oh, wait. I found it
[17:34] <sgclark> I am so confued
[17:35] <santa_> I need to do another round of builds later to check properly, apparently the only thing missing was the symbol removal
[17:35] <santa_> (already pushed)
[17:36] <sgclark> right, that was my bad
[17:36] <sgclark> ok so we are good right?
[17:37] <dantti> Riddell: np, hopefuly I'll find some time in future for apper2 qml/qt5 based
[17:43] <santa_> sgclark: I think so, I will let you know if I find issues in the next kubuntu_vivid_archive build
[17:44] <santa_> (I tend to think I won't)
[17:44] <sgclark> ok
[19:04] <Riddell> sgclark: oh well I'll sort it out on monday I guess
[19:04]  * Riddell off for the weekend
[19:04] <sgclark> Riddell: I think we are good
[19:04] <sgclark> Riddell: I am also going to take the weekend off!
[19:27] <bukai> soee: ping
[19:38] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[22:50] <valorie> sgclark: nice weekend to be out and about!


[03:10] <Zoe_> Hey can someone help me with a real easy bash script problem that im writing using vim
[03:11] <Zoe_> a
[04:26] <_serial_> Good morning all.  Please can someone tell me what the name of the sound service or program called that manages the sound icon in the unity panel?
[04:28] <_serial_> Fixed it.  I sent unity a message --reset-icons which although removed my icons config brought back my sound panel icon.
[06:35] <SuperMatt> wooo, I'm gonna be an official google helpouterer when it goes live \o/
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: it's like fixing your family's computers, except they're strangers, on the internet!
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: ("I didn't click anything, honest!")
[06:37] <SuperMatt> naw, it's gonna be more about teaching people to get up and running on ubuntu
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> ah, I thought it was a general tech support-y kind of thing
[06:38] <SuperMatt> nope nope
[06:38] <SuperMatt> it can be anything you like
[06:38] <SuperMatt> I should work on the site
[08:04] <mungbean_> sad not to be at oggcamp
[08:20] <gordonjcp> ye
[09:12] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:17] <mungbean_> morning
[09:18] <brobostigon> morning mungbean
[09:28] <Guest32587> think it will be quiet here today
[09:29] <brobostigon> yes?
[09:29] <brobostigon> release party hangovers? oggcamp hangovers?
[09:29] <mungbean_> oggcamp in full swing
[09:29] <mungbean_> haven't seen much excitement around new release
[09:30] <brobostigon> i suppose ubuntu-phone being stable release is the interesting bit.
[09:32] <mungbean_> i see lubuntu have gone to firefox now instead of chrom*
[09:32] <mungbean_> very few changes otherwise
[09:32] <brobostigon> chromium, there wouldnt have used chrome, because of chromes closed componants.
[09:33] <brobostigon> they*
[09:47] <popey> Morning all
[09:49] <brobostigon> morning popey
[09:56] <mungbean_> 8.1 introduces scopes i see
[09:56] <mungbean_> "Instead of simply searching your computer, it now includes web search results as well (via Bing, naturally). The result is that the Metro desktop now doubles as your search engine, and a nice one at that."
[11:21] <SuperMatt> so, my google helpout should be live on day 1 of helpouts, so I'm working on my helpouts webpage :D
[11:21] <SuperMatt> http://helpouts.supermatt.net/
[11:36] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: looks cool, what is that all about
[11:37] <SuperMatt> so google helpouts is a way of using google hangouts to help people with whatever they need
[11:37] <SuperMatt> I've decided to run a "getting started with ubuntu" helpout
[11:38] <SuperMatt> so I'm providing a little extra documentation to go with it
[11:38] <AlanBell> very cool
[11:38] <AlanBell> so we need to tell people about this somehow?
[11:39] <SuperMatt> well, I'm going to keep my eye on things like reddit to see if there are people that need help
[11:39] <AlanBell> when does it kick off?
[11:40] <SuperMatt> next friday
[12:05] <mungbean_> y'all might want to examine the box at the bottom of this page
[12:05] <mungbean_> https://plus.google.com/settings/endorsements?hl=en
[12:20] <SuperMatt> oh yeah, already done that
[12:24] <SuperMatt> all right, my helpouts thing is coming along real nice now I've got the toughest bits up and running
[13:58] <SuperMatt> man, I didn't think I'd be able to write all this in only a day
[13:58] <SuperMatt> http://helpouts.supermatt.net
[14:00] <b1ackcr0w> Hi all
[14:00] <b1ackcr0w> cannot figure out for the life of me what's wrong with the following ...
[14:01] <b1ackcr0w> it a config file for imap filter
[14:01] <SuperMatt> what application
[14:01] <SuperMatt> ?
[14:04] <b1ackcr0w> http://pastebin.com/56hQxt2c
[14:05] <SuperMatt> what application is this?
[14:05] <SuperMatt> geary? thunderbird?
[14:05] <b1ackcr0w> imapfilter
[14:05] <SuperMatt> oh right
[14:05] <SuperMatt> I don't know anything about that I'm afraid
[14:05] <b1ackcr0w> http://pastebin.com/56hQxt2c
[14:06] <b1ackcr0w> i'm using it to filter spam and rubbish out of my inbox
[14:06] <b1ackcr0w> the yahoo move works
[14:06] <b1ackcr0w> but the regex in the vydox line isn't working
[14:07] <mgdm> that looks a bit like Ruby
[14:07] <b1ackcr0w> tis lua
[14:07] <mgdm> ah!
[14:08] <mgdm> You sure you don't need to denote it's a regex by using something like / instead of '?
[14:08] <mgdm> (Sorry, I don't know lua)
[14:08] <b1ackcr0w> tbh - it could be any scripting language
[14:08] <b1ackcr0w> mgdm that's exactly what I can't figure out
[14:09] <b1ackcr0w> hm - i'll try some slashes
[14:10] <b1ackcr0w> wait one - i'll just edit the script on the pi....
[14:13] <mungbean_> do you need a * or wildcard after vodox?
[14:14] <b1ackcr0w> aparently not
[14:14] <b1ackcr0w> the yahoo line didn't need it
[14:15] <b1ackcr0w> i wonder if its actually case sensitive?
[14:16] <mungbean_> try break it down.
[14:16] <mungbean_> lowercase only - send a mail, see if it works
[14:16] <b1ackcr0w> k doing that now
[14:17] <mungbean_> http://moiristo.wordpress.com/page/2/
[14:17] <mungbean_> msgs =     account2.INBOX:contain_from('Cron') + account2.INBOX:contain_from('Log') + account2.INBOX:contain_subject('yum')
[14:17] <mungbean_> What you need to know here is that the ‘+’ operator means ‘or’.
[14:18] <b1ackcr0w> ah!
[14:18] <b1ackcr0w> it appears that it isn't case sensitive, so the regex just confuses it
[14:19] <b1ackcr0w> just tested and got it to work
[14:19] <mungbean_> \o/
[14:20]  * MartijnVdS recompiles a Precise kernel.. can't wait for the 13.10 kernel/"enablement" bits
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> Haven't done this in ages
[14:20] <b1ackcr0w> so, just don't have to bother with as much validation as usual
[14:20] <b1ackcr0w> cool :)
[14:21] <b1ackcr0w> nice one people, my raspi is about to become a demon mail sorter :)
[14:29] <mungbean_> MartijnVdS: huh?
[14:29] <mungbean_> whicvh bits?
[14:31] <isleofmandan> Hello. Any Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition folks about? I want to wipe my machine and do a clean 13.10 install, but not sure what some of existing partitions are for, whether I need them, and also what to do about swap on an SSD...
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> isleofmandan: what kind of partitions do you have?
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> isleofmandan: can you do an "fdisk -l", or screenshot gnome-disks and put it online somewhere?
[14:36] <isleofmandan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6264114/
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[14:40] <isleofmandan> My thoughts too
[14:40] <isleofmandan> :)
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> could be useful (EFI boot stuff)
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> or not ("repair" partition to bring everything back to factory settings)
[14:42] <isleofmandan> grub does give a "Re-install 12.04 to factory settings" type option, so I assume sda2 contains the image for that.
[14:43] <isleofmandan> sda1 might be something for the BIOS to use. Diagnostic software or some such?
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> Well it's up to you then.. do you want to keep it? ;)
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> it's probably the software used to put the image in the repair partition back on the rest of the disk
[14:43] <isleofmandan> I don't need the 12.04 sputnik image. I could always download it from Dell again.
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> you could always make a backup of those partitions, they're not huge
[14:44] <isleofmandan> What's the best way?  dd them into a file?
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> there's partimage, but that doesn't take care of the bootloader
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> neither would dd'ing, btw
[14:57] <isleofmandan> looking in /etc/grub.d is helping me to see what is what...
[15:22] <talsamon__> hello - after upgrade the greeter doesn't show the window-managers, coult anyone tell me, in which file i can change this or edit
[15:24] <talsamon__> it seems to be the lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:54] <talsamon__> i have found it, solved...
[16:30] <ali1234> hmm... i need a sata extension cable so i can plug a 3.5" hard drive in to a laptop motherboard
[16:48] <isleofmandan> MartijnVdS: Just popped back in to say I wiped every partition and installed 13.10 on a blank drive. Nothing seems broken, so I think I got away with it :)    Thanks for your help earlier.
[17:33] <ali1234> what is the best way to keep a folder in sync across linux and mac?
[17:33] <penguin42> rsync?
[17:37] <ali1234> it has to work in both directions
[17:38] <ali1234> only new files will be created and they will never change
[17:38] <penguin42> hmm can't rsync do that?
[17:39] <ali1234> dunno
[17:39] <ali1234> also it needs to work 3 way
[17:40] <penguin42> ali1234: Well I'd just rsync both ways to each of the other two machines
[17:41] <mgdm> unison? (never used it, but I believe it should work...)
[17:41] <ali1234> basically there will be 3 computers copying video off sd cards onto their local hard drive
[17:42] <ali1234> they will all be copying literally as fast as they can
[17:42] <ali1234> from SD card that is
[17:42] <ali1234> they'll also be connected on gigabit ethernet
[17:42] <ali1234> each computer needs a copy of all the video files
[17:42] <penguin42> ali1234: And so you're trying to make all 3 be mirrors of each other?
[17:42] <ali1234> right
[17:43] <penguin42> ali1234: So personally, unless there is zillions of files, I'd either run individual rsync's between them, or treat one as master that they all rsync to and back from
[17:43] <ali1234> the thing about rsync is, it's too complicated
[17:43] <penguin42> ali1234: ?
[17:43] <ali1234> i want something i can just turn on and forget about it
[17:43] <ali1234> but looks like i'll have to make it with rsync
[17:44] <penguin42> ali1234: I'd just keep it cron'ing all the time
[17:44] <ali1234> i'm going to be busy fiddling with sd cards, i don't need to be running rsync as well
[17:44] <ali1234> the other thing is it can't run over ssh because the overhead will be too much
[17:44] <penguin42> ali1234: You say between macs and linux - is that some machines are macs and some are linux?
[17:44] <ali1234> yes
[17:45] <penguin42> are you *sure* ssh is too high? That sounds unlikely
[17:45] <ali1234> the video files are 54mbit/s
[17:45] <ali1234> we have 7 cameras
[17:45] <penguin42> ali1234: Unless the machines are truly shit then ssh shouldn't be an issue
[17:45] <ali1234> the sd card readers do about 100mbit/s
[17:45] <ali1234> and we'll have 3 of those
[17:45] <ali1234> one in each machine
[17:45] <penguin42> ali1234: Considered one of the wifi sd cards?
[17:45] <ali1234> too expensive
[17:46] <ali1234> also 54mbit/s on wifi = lolno
[17:46] <ali1234> and certainly not with 7 of them all running at once
[17:46] <penguin42> ok
[17:47] <ali1234> also i kind of doubt that these machines can do 100mbit/s ssh encryption and decryption at the same time
[17:47] <penguin42> ali1234: I'd try rsync with ssh (I think you can specify ssh encryption type and opt for a very low cpu one if that's really a problem); rsync is generally pretty efficient unless you're dealing with lots of tiny files which you aren't
[17:47] <ali1234> yeah, rsync isn't the problem, t's the encryption
[17:47] <penguin42> rsync can do a native protocol I think, not tried it for years though
[17:47] <ali1234> it's totally not needed anyway as we will be using loopback network cables
[17:48] <ali1234> rsync --rsh="ssh -c blowfish" says google
[17:48] <penguin42> ali1234: OK, other way is to mount via samba/webdav each machine to each other, and then you're running rsync just within the machine
[17:48] <ali1234> gets you 25MB/sec
[17:48] <ali1234> i'd take ssh over that
[17:49] <ali1234> i can just put a cert on each machine then
[17:49] <ali1234> my other option was going to be netcat
[17:49] <ali1234> i wonder if you can do --rsh="something clever with netcat"
[17:49] <penguin42> ali1234: If you can run the rsyncd on each machine it'll do it without ssh at all
[17:50] <ali1234> is that available as standard on macs?
[17:50]  * penguin42 doesn't know macs
[17:50] <ali1234> i'll ask
[17:52] <penguin42> ali1234: Read the 'Connecting to an rsync daemon' in the rsync manpage - note the subtlety in the url naming to use rsync:// or the *double* colon
[17:55] <penguin42> ali1234: The other thing I'd be careful of is how you're copying off the SD cards and in particular if you end up copying partial files
[17:55] <ali1234> yes, already considered that
[17:55] <ali1234> i'll copy to a temp folder and then mv it into the synced directory
[17:56] <penguin42> nod
[18:06] <ali1234> i wonder how much video files would compress
[18:45] <penguin42> ali1234: They shouldn't
[18:45] <ali1234> yeah they don't: about 1%
[18:45] <ali1234> with bzip2 -9
[18:45] <penguin42> ali1234: If the cameras are only doing mjpeg they stand a chance
[19:15] <gebbione> does export save a variable in the user profile for ever? or do i need something else?
[19:16] <penguin42> gebbione: No it doesn't
[19:16] <penguin42> gebbione: export just sets it for the current shell, if you want to set it for ever put it in your .profile or .bashrc
[19:16] <gebbione> thanks
[19:19] <gebbione> i hate it when a shell is dead ... not even ctrl +c returns control over it by killing the current process/action
[19:19] <mgdm> you don't mean with ssh, do you?
~.
[19:20] <mgdm> that'll kill it
[19:20] <gebbione> it is with ssh
[19:20] <gebbione> but nothing returns control from it
[19:20] <gebbione> neither enter not ctrl c
[19:21] <gebbione> it is stuck showing me the remote username@ip
[19:21] <mgdm> yes, try the combo I gave you
[19:21] <mgdm> enter then ~ then .
[19:22] <gebbione> great thanks ... whats behind the scenes when you do this key combination ... it kills your ssh client?
[19:23] <mgdm> the 'enter then ~' bit is a command to SSH to give you its console
[19:23] <mgdm> then '.' means exit
[19:24] <mgdm> try enter ~ ? some time, too
[19:24] <mgdm> or read http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2006/01/24/ssh-escape-characters/
[20:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[20:35] <penguin42> erm good morning
[20:35] <bigcalm> :D
[20:39] <Obiituzz> Hello
[20:39] <Obiituzz> Good afternoon.
[20:39] <Obiituzz> I need help with Ubuntu, can someone please give me a hand?
[20:39] <bigcalm> !ask
[20:41] <Obiituzz> Ok. I need to create a booteable Pendrive
[20:41] <penguin42> Obiituzz: From a Linux system? Got a recent Ubuntu iso?
[20:41] <Obiituzz> i was trying  to do it with Unetbotin
[20:41] <Obiituzz> yes
[20:41] <Obiituzz> i have the ISO imge
[20:42] <penguin42> Obiituzz: If you know the /dev/sd?? name of the device, make sure it's not mounted and then do      dd if=my.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1024k
[20:42] <penguin42> Obiituzz: BUT BE CAREFUL TO GET THE RIGHT DEVICE - and it's the one without the numbers at the end
[20:50] <mgdm> bigcalm: 'lo
[20:51] <bigcalm> mgdm: how's oggcamp?
[20:52] <mgdm> bigcalm: wouldn't know
[20:52] <bigcalm> mgdm: aww, sorry. Thought you had gone
[20:53] <mgdm> Nah, didn't in the end. And my trip to the hospital on Thursday night woudl've seen to it anyway :)
[20:53] <bigcalm> What have you done to yourself?
[20:53] <mgdm> tl;dr - asthma FTL
[20:53] <bigcalm> :(
[20:54] <mgdm> however, communist^Wsocialized healthcare FTW
[20:54] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:54] <penguin42> mgdm: Ah, I'm fortunate enough to keep my asthma mostly in check with the regular stuff and the occaisonal salbutamol
[20:55] <mgdm> penguin42: normally so am I, but I got a cold, which mutated, and regardless of all of that I ended up needing enough Ventolin nebulizer treatment to stun a horse
[20:55] <penguin42> mgdm: Erk
[20:57] <mgdm> In other news, I just make a project use Autotools and it works and I only swore a couple of times
[20:57] <mgdm> this is new for me
[21:10] <Obiituzz> penguin: sorry man, im a new Linux user
[21:10] <Obiituzz> i didnt understand what you said.. Let me be clear.. I have Ubuntu and i'm trying to get Fedora
[21:10] <Obiituzz> Im trying to do a LiveUSB to boot it... I have the image
[21:11] <Obiituzz> i've try to use uNetbootin and Fedora Live usbCreator
[21:11] <Obiituzz> and i have troubles with both
[21:11] <zleap> it should work
[21:12] <Obiituzz> UnetCreator: I fllow the steps and while i'm booting it gets freeze
[21:12] <Obiituzz> Fedora Live Usb Creator: ISO MD5 checksum verification failed
[21:14] <zleap> so you have a problem with the downloading of the iso file
[21:14] <Obiituzz> No
[21:14] <zleap> just checking the md5
[21:14] <Obiituzz> aint downloading using the tool
[21:15] <Obiituzz> i've already download it from site
[21:15] <zleap> ok,  sorry
[21:15] <Obiituzz> Any idea, my friend?
[21:17] <zleap> just had a look it lists my usb pendiver as /dev/sdb1
[21:17] <zleap> i need to download lubuntu 13.10 so will have a go as i also need to update a pen drive with that
[21:18] <zleap> so will do some screen shots at the same time and put on my website
[21:25] <Obiituzz> Thanks man
[21:26] <zleap> np
[21:26] <zleap> give us a few days and i will hopefully have something
[21:26] <Obiituzz> Thanks man
[21:26] <zleap> np
[21:34]  * mgdm writes documentation
[21:34] <mgdm> boo, dull
[21:34] <zleap> but essential
[21:35] <mgdm> Yeah. Especially as it's a library
[21:35] <zleap> ah
[21:35] <zleap> i thought you meant for ubuntu
[21:36] <mgdm> Ah, no
[21:36] <mgdm> It's for my fantastically niche side project: https://github.com/mgdm/Mosquitto-PHP
[21:36] <zleap> ah
[21:37] <zleap> what does star this repo mean
[21:37] <zleap> ?
[21:38] <mgdm> It's like 'favourite'
[21:38] <zleap> ok
[21:38] <mgdm> a sort of bookmark thing
[21:38] <zleap> like in chrome
[21:38] <mgdm> aye
[21:41] <Azelphur> Has anyone found a way to use an Android tablet as a secondary display yet?
[21:41] <Azelphur> Loads of projects on Windows/OSX seem to do it, but nothing works on Linux. :<
[21:42] <zleap> i am sure we were doing that at the last exeter lug meet
[21:42] <zleap> as in #dcglug
[21:43] <zleap> devon and cornwall linux user group channel
[21:43] <zleap> i think you can do that using vnc
[21:44] <zleap> as = ask
[21:44] <Azelphur> zleap: yea, I remember in my last attempt, I did something involving bumping the viewport size up, then vnc with clipping. But X was bugged and wouldn't allow Windows to move outside of the standard viewport area
[21:44] <Azelphur> wonder if it's been fixed in 13.10.
[21:44] <zleap> ok
[21:45] <Azelphur> I've taken a few runs at getting this to work ;)
[21:49] <zleap> as i said try the #dcglug channel i am sure this was a recent discussion or project or could actually be a current project
[22:00] <Azelphur> what's the command line way of updating to a new release? (13.04 -> 13.10) for some reason update-manager doesn't feel like giving me the button.
[22:01] <ali1234> do-release-upgrade
[22:01] <Azelphur> that's the one, ty :)
[22:12] <mgdm> Docs finished, for now \o
[23:07] <mgdm> Oh, it's after midnight
[23:08] <mgdm> oops
[23:08]  * penguin42 looks at the pumpkin mgdm
[23:08] <mgdm> :D
[23:08] <mgdm> I am somewhat round, though not orange as far as I can tell. :P


[11:14] <Mechtilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calendar-exchange-provider/+bug/1203433
[11:15] <Mechtilde> what can I also do, to  push on?
[12:02] <Mechtilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calendar-exchange-provider/+bug/1203433
[12:02] <Mechtilde> what can I also do, to  push on?
[16:32] <nikolam> Maybe write on mailing list or contact on mail people from the team and ubuntu-dev in general?
[17:14] <Mechtilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calendar-exchange-provider/+bug/1203433
[17:14] <Mechtilde> what can I also do, to  push on?


[00:00] <ianm_> it's funny how 1000+ code commits gets second place in karma to asking 1 question in Answers :D
[00:01] <wgrant> ianm_: Karma is (for historical reasons) weighted evenly between each category.
[00:01] <BUGabundo> @ianm_ replying, not asking :)
[00:02] <wgrant> ianm_: So if few people are using Answers, and lots of people are using Code, Code karma is worth a lot less.
[00:03]  * BUGabundo why the heck did i use and '@' in there ??!?!
[00:03]  * BUGabundo slaps him self
[00:04] <ianm_> RT @BUGabundo slaps him self
[00:07] <ianm_> wgrant: by "using code" do you mean bugs or should commits count?
[00:08] <wgrant> ianm_: Code and Bugs are separate categories.
[00:08] <wgrant> ianm_: Commits count as Code, bug changes count as Bugs.
[00:08] <ianm_> I don't see Code on the Top Contributors page ( https://launchpad.net/luz/+topcontributors )
[00:09] <wgrant> ianm_: Karma is only updated daily.
[00:10] <wgrant> That branch probably just missed it.
[00:11] <ianm_> wgrant: I've been committing code there for years :)
[00:11] <ianm_> btw this is not a problem, I'm just curious
[00:12] <ianm_> same thing happens in other projects eg https://launchpad.net/audioverse/+topcontributors
[00:12] <wgrant> ianm_: Oh, you're right, just all the recent commits were yesterday.
[00:12] <wgrant> ianm_: The problem is that it can't attribute the karma to anybody, because the email address you've used doesn't match any that Launchpad knows about.
[00:12] <ianm_> oh I see
[00:12] <wgrant> ianm_: You should run 'bzr whoami Your Name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:13] <wgrant> ianm_: Er, with quotes around the name and email address."
[00:14] <zsquareplusc> it matches against the email address? so just the launchpad user name alone is not wnough?
[00:14] <wgrant> zsquareplusc: That's right. Most revisions don't reference the Launchpad username at all.
[00:15] <ianm_> wgrant: done.  so will this fix past commits or only going forward?
[00:15] <wgrant> ianm_: Only going forward. commits are immutable.
[00:15] <ianm_> wgrant: ok thanks for the help
[00:16] <wgrant> ianm_: np
[00:17] <ace_suares> hi, i sem to have problems with signing the code of conduct. I did all the steps., but i get 'bad signature' anyway
[00:18] <SamB> ace_suares: and this is on ubuntu?
[00:19] <ace_suares> yep
[00:19] <ace_suares> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1/+sign
[00:20] <SamB> strange!
[00:20] <ace_suares> ohhhhh
[00:20] <ace_suares> i just got it.
[00:20] <SamB> did your mail client mangle the file or something ?
[00:21] <ace_suares> I cat Code...txt.asc and I didn't see before 9like three times) that the whole message comes before the signature, and only copied and pasted the signature.
[00:21] <ace_suares> It's working now. Sorry to bother :-)
[00:21] <SamB> hehe ;-)
[00:34] <Daviey> bazaar.launchpad.net poorly?
[00:35] <wgrant> Daviey: Yes.
[00:35] <wgrant> spm ^^
[00:36] <Daviey> :(
[00:43] <spm> been yoyo'ing all morning
[00:54] <spiv> The web UI for code review offers me a "Needs Information" vote, but https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review#Email%20interface doesn't seem to have an equivalent option.
[00:54] <spiv> Does anyone know if " review needs-info" or similar will work?
[00:55] <thumper> spiv: yes
[00:55] <thumper> spiv: yes I know, and yes, it'll work
[00:55] <spiv> thumper: yes "needs-info" works, or yes something similar will? ;)
[00:55] <thumper> as will needs-information, needsinfo, needsinformation
[00:55] <spiv> Great, thanks.
[00:55] <spiv> (p.s. update your help :P)
[01:23] <zsquareplusc> i have 2 bzr branches converted from CVS. should i push each one separately or is there a way to get them both at once uploaded (i assume cvsps-import created a repo)
[01:25] <mwhudson> zsquareplusc: separately
[01:25] <zsquareplusc> ok. thanks
[01:31] <zsquareplusc> mmh. can i directly push w/o registering the branch in the web interface beforehand?
[01:32] <thumper> zsquareplusc: yes
[01:32] <thumper> zsquareplusc: in fact it is preferable
[01:33] <zsquareplusc> yeah i always had errors about pushing to an existing branch and hd to use "force" :-)
[01:33] <zsquareplusc> the problem is just, how to figure out the name lp:... :-)
[01:36] <thumper> zsquareplusc: I have my locations.conf set up so I just say "bzr push" and it works
[01:40] <zsquareplusc> thumper: but you still have to figure out the location once. lp:~user/project/name or something like that
[01:40] <thumper> yes
[01:40] <thumper> push_location = lp:~thumper/launchpad
[01:41] <thumper> push_location:policy = appendpath
[01:41] <thumper> then if I havea branch "bob"
[01:41] <thumper> and go push
[01:41] <thumper> it goes to lp:~thumper/launchpad/bob
[01:42] <thumper> mwhudson: I'm confused
[01:42] <thumper> d'uh wrong channel
[02:59] <robert_ancell> There is an obsolete glchess project in LP: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glchess.  glchess was merged into gnome-games, should this LP project be removed?
[03:00] <robert_ancell> I ask as people keep reporting bugs against the old project
[03:01] <spm> robert_ancell: sounds like a good idea in that case. I assume that's a semi formal request to "pls make it so?
[03:01] <micahg> hold on
[03:01] <robert_ancell> spm, I just wanted to check if it needs to remain in the database as there is a hardy package for it
[03:02] <spm> robert_ancell: oh hang a sec. I just missed par tof that. that's under ubuntu
[03:02] <micahg> where is the package in hardy?
[03:02] <micahg> yeah
[03:02] <micahg> it's in ubuntu
[03:02] <spm> https://edge.launchpad.net/glchess M== is already obsoleted.
[03:03] <robert_ancell> is there a way to close it for bug reporting?
[03:03] <micahg> robert_ancell: where is the package in hardy?
[03:03] <robert_ancell> But I guess in theory a hardy user might want to report against it
[03:03] <micahg> exactly
[03:03] <micahg> 20 more months :)
[03:03] <robert_ancell> :)
[03:03]  * micahg has the same problem with the firefox package which is EOL
[03:04] <micahg> robert_ancell: maybe we should move this to #ubuntu-bugs
[03:17] <poolie> bug 151129 :-)
[03:17] <poolie> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 01:13:43PM -0000, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
[03:17] <poolie>  > I don't think this has anything to do with having official tags.  That's because you don't know what the implementation will look like.
[03:17] <poolie> heh
[03:17] <robert_ancell> Who owns the python-opengl package: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-opengl, I want to update the info but it doesn't seem to have any edit links
[03:18] <micahg> robert_ancell: that's in ubuntu again
[03:18] <robert_ancell> micahg, yeah, how do I link it to the PyOpenGL project?
[03:19] <robert_ancell> the equivalent gcalctool page has more info..
[03:19] <wgrant> robert_ancell: That's difficult, because the package doesn't exist.
[03:19] <micahg> it doesn't exist :)
[03:20] <wgrant> It did in Warty.
[03:20] <wgrant> But that's all.
[03:20] <poolie> hello robert_ancell
[03:20] <robert_ancell> poolie, hey
[03:21] <wgrant> robert_ancell: The source is now just 'pyopengl'
[03:21] <robert_ancell> Ah, ok
[03:21] <wgrant> And it's already linked.
[07:45] <poolie> thumper/jml, do i understand correctly that https://code.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+activereviews now contains all non-closed reviews?
[07:45] <poolie> if so, great
[07:46] <jml> poolie, I believe so.
[07:46] <poolie> that is a really good step
[07:46] <poolie> the contents are a bit baffling though
[07:46] <jml> poolie, please comment on my blog.
[07:47] <jml> poolie, and surely they can't be baffling to you after all these months!
[07:47] <poolie> in that i have 20+ "Other reviews I am not actively reviewing"
[07:47] <poolie> heh
[07:47] <jml> I'm pretty sure we changed that text on your suggestion :P
[07:48] <jml> poolie, that section is a bit hard to deal with though.
[07:48] <poolie> i think the problem is this page is sorted by overall state, but it doesn't actually show the overall state?
[07:49] <jml> that seems orthogonal to me.
[07:49] <jml> poolie, or rather, that sounds like a solution to me, not a problem :)
[07:50] <jml> poolie, all of the reviews other than the "Approved" ones have the same overall state of "Needs Review"
[07:51] <poolie> hm
[07:52] <poolie> what's the difference between 'reviews i can do' and 'other' then?
[07:52] <poolie> it seems like they are 'reviews i can't do' :-) but why?
[07:53] <poolie> jml, anyhow, comment posted
[07:53] <poolie> i'm not totally sure we should do this on random blog posts
[07:53] <poolie> but maybe we should!
[07:54] <jml> poolie, well, it's not that much better than random IRC channel discussions
[07:55] <jml> at least on my blog, Americans can participate in the discussions
[07:56] <jml> poolie, my blog ought to be on planet launchpad too.
[07:57] <jml> poolie, first up, do you really not understand the categories?
[07:57] <wgrant> Nobody knows about Planet Launchpad, though.
[07:58] <thekorn> there is a planet launchpad? me googles
[07:58] <micahg> ??
[07:58] <wgrant> It's very new.
[07:58] <poolie> jml, i'm not being intentionally thick
[07:58] <micahg> I thought Launchpad was part of Planet Ubuntu
[07:58] <poolie> to be clear, the issues are
[07:58] <spiv> Planet Launchpad would be Magrathea, presumably ;)
[07:58] <poolie> 1- i'm not sure how to get something out of 'reviews i'm doing' when i've said my piece
[07:59] <poolie> and 2- i'm not sure what qualifies as 'other' and what action i should take on them
[07:59] <poolie> i guess in practice i can just pick any one of them and finish it
[07:59] <spiv> micahg: "Planet" just is a term for a blog aggregator (both for some software that runs it, and for specific instances).
[07:59] <poolie> or keep mental state as to which ones still matter
[07:59] <jml> poolie, ok. I'll explain and then we can figure out what to do to prevent future confusion.
[07:59] <poolie> but it is not quite as gtd-ish as it could be
[08:00] <jml> poolie, wrt 1-, it sticks until the proposal is Approved, Rejected, Merged or otherwise finished.
[08:00] <micahg> spiv: I know :) ... I just thought it was part of the Ubuntu Planet...where is this LP Planet?
[08:00] <jml> poolie, there's no state in the system for whose court the review ball is in
[08:00] <spiv> micahg: http://planet.launchpad.net/, of course :)
[08:01] <micahg> ha :)
[08:01] <poolie> ok
[08:01] <jml> poolie, wrt 2-, they are all the reviews on bzr that have nothing to do with you, basically.
[08:01] <jml> poolie, but are "Needs review"
[08:01] <micahg> thanks spiv
[08:02] <poolie> ok, so they seem to typically have been reviewed by someone else, but not have been set to a conclusive status
[08:03] <jml> poolie, that's exactly the case.
[08:03] <poolie> but https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vila/bzr/releasing-clarified/+merge/10854 is strange
[08:03] <poolie> presumably i should review it but it hasn't requested review from anyone
[08:03] <jml> poolie, yes, that's odd. I don't know how that happened.
[08:05] <poolie> the review i just did for ian was like that too
[08:05] <poolie> maybe it's a recent change in behaviour?
[08:06] <jml> poolie, I don't know, tbh.
[08:06] <jml> poolie, if so, I'd consider it a regression
[08:06] <jml> maybe you changed the default review team or something like that?
[08:06] <jbergstroem> hey, this thing gives me a internal server error (and has for the latest 12 hours): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~trond-norbye/libmemcached/memcapable/revision/572
[08:06] <jml> the plural "you"
[08:06] <poolie> mm, we did change it
[08:07] <poolie> ok
[08:07] <poolie> so now i understand better
[08:07] <poolie> i'm not sure quite what to change
[08:07] <jml> me neither
[08:08] <jml> We could hide the "other section" by default
[08:08] <jml> but we'd still need to link to it
[08:08] <poolie> i think part of it is a model question about review requests vs just taking reviews for the project
[08:08] <poolie> perhaps we need
[08:09] <poolie> reviews requested from me; reviews being done by others; reviews i can do; reviews i can't do
[08:09] <poolie> and perhaps rather than 'i am doing' have 'i'm involved in' or something
[08:09] <poolie> to convey that i may not actually be doing or able to do anything much else
[08:09] <poolie> not sure
[08:09] <jml> "reviews i can't do"?
[08:09] <poolie> yeah
[08:10] <jml> I think "Reviews being done by others" is clearer than the heading we have now
[08:10] <poolie> does that even make sense
[08:10] <jml> I don't think it does, no.
[08:10] <poolie> if i'm not allowed to even comment on it, i probably shouldn't even see it
[08:10] <poolie> right
[08:11] <poolie> but there is some kind of other heading
[08:11] <poolie> which is reviews nobody has done anything on yet
[08:11] <poolie> the initial comment by the proposer doesn't count
[08:11] <jml> that's the "reviews I can do", atm.
[08:11] <poolie> probably they should be lumped in with those i can do
[08:11] <poolie> right
[08:11] <jml> not lumped in -- that's what they are
[08:12] <poolie> so the question then is, do you want to separate 'reviews people specifically asked me to do' from 'reviews i can do'
[08:12] <jml> well, that's what we do right now.
[08:12] <jml> and I think "yes"
[08:12] <poolie> possibly i should prioritize the first category
[08:12] <poolie> ok, so 'reviews requested from me' vs 'reviews i can do'
[08:12] <jml> yeah, those categories exist
[08:13] <poolie> for the first category to be small enough to matter it probably needs to only count those where they asked for me personally, not the project team?
[08:13] <jml> yes, and that's what we do right now.
[08:14] <poolie> so if 'reviews nobody is doing' is 'requested reviews i can do' then where is 'reviews specifically requested from me'?
[08:14] <jml> poolie, it's not shown if it's empty
[08:14] <poolie> oh, maybe it exists but isn't shown because there are none?
[08:14] <poolie> i see
[08:14] <jml> poolie, I was just about to say, maybe we should show it even then
[08:15] <poolie> with (none)
[08:15] <poolie> zaro boogs
[08:15] <jml> and have some text saying "No one has asked you specifically to review anything, but maybe you want to review one of the branches below"
[08:15] <jml> or words to similar effect.
[08:16] <jml> it could get a bit awkward, though.
[08:16] <jml> poolie, have you looked at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr?
[08:20] <jml> poolie, we could also add some more explanatory text to the page, or popup help or something.
[08:20] <poolie> i think just simple links to a wiki page would help a bit
[08:21] <jml> poolie, I think if there were controls for setting the status from Needs Review, that would help too.
[08:21] <poolie> i think my personal page looks ok
[08:21] <poolie> right
[08:21] <poolie> some of this is an artifact of people not setting that field
[08:21] <jml> poolie, at least that way one could blunder about on that page and learn that setting the status changes the way a thing is displayed
[08:21] <poolie> the only thing i would say about my personal page is that it looks a bit odd that the 'approved reviews ready to land' are not my branches
[08:22] <poolie> it's almost like they should be 'reviews i'm involved in that are ready to land'
[08:22] <poolie> as opposed to my own branches
[08:22] <jml> yeah, I mentioned that to thumper
[08:22] <jml> there's an interesting use-case there though
[08:23] <jml> because you also want to have something telling you to land approved patches from contributors without commit rights.
[08:24] <jml> jbergstroem, there's been some instability with the code browsing section... I've asked a sysadmin to look into it.
[08:25] <poolie> right, that's getting into 'you touched it, you're responsible for it'
[08:25] <poolie> which makes some sense if it's a non-core patch; less so for a core dev patch
[08:25] <jml> poolie, yeah
[08:25] <jml> poolie, at this point, I start wondering exactly how smart this thing should be.
[08:25] <poolie> i'm not sure
[08:26] <jml> particularly for PQM managed projects, where we can't infer if you have write permissions!
[08:26] <jml> s/if/whether/
[08:29] <jml> I guess we could derive that information from the review team.
[08:29] <jbergstroem> jml: ok, thanks for the info
[08:29] <jml> Again, I think that the UI would be clearer if we had a control that could land the branch.
[08:30] <jml> as it is, it's too static, and gives you little idea of the flow of the thing.
[08:31]  * jml is now officially late for dinner.
[08:31] <jml> see you :)
[09:01] <poolie> staging seems to be down?
[09:21] <czajkowski> ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/c
[09:22] <czajkowski> oops
[09:22] <alkisg> Hello. I copied dnsmasq 2.50 from the karmic ppa to my ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa Now it shows that it's published there, even with no signer.
[09:23] <alkisg> The problem is that the users that have my ppa in their sources don't see the update
[09:23] <alkisg> I.e. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade still leaves them with the stock dnsmasq 2.47
[09:24] <maxb> "no signer" is expected behaviour for a package synced from debian
[09:24] <bigjools> alkisg: I will look
[09:24] <bigjools> alkisg: you copied it from the ubuntu archive, not a PPA, BTW
[09:25] <bigjools> alkisg: I suspect you have a problematic proxy between you and ppa.launchpad.net
[09:28] <alkisg> bigjools: I'm experiencing this myself, from my laptop while I've moved to 3 different ISPs, and also some users reported that back to me from different ISPs, so I suspect it isn't a proxy problem...
[09:28] <bigjools> alkisg: ah, did you notice the binary name has changed?
[09:28] <bigjools> dnsmasq-base vs dnsmasq
[09:28] <alkisg> bigjools: these are 2 different packages
[09:29] <alkisg> Both are supposed to be in 2.50 version now... :-/
[09:29] <bigjools> oh I see, sorry, I missed the other one
[09:29] <alkisg> dnsmasq-base is in main, dnsmasq in universe
[09:29] <bigjools> ummm interesting
[09:30] <wgrant> Ummmmmmmmm.
[09:30] <wgrant> Yes.
[09:30] <wgrant> Very interesting.
[09:30] <alkisg> Thanks for your feedback. I'll try to manually upload a jaunty version with a new changelog to immediately fix the problem for my users, and I'll leave the hardy/intrepid versions for you to look :)
[09:30] <bigjools> alkisg: what sources.list entry are you using
[09:30] <bigjools> one with main only?
[09:30] <alkisg> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ts.sch.gr/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[09:30] <alkisg> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ts.sch.gr/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[09:30] <alkisg> Ooops
[09:30] <bigjools> however, !main is not supposed to exist for PPAs
[09:30] <alkisg> :) ah, so if I put universe there I'll be ok, eh?
[09:31]  * alkisg tries...
[09:31] <alkisg> Yup that explains it all. My users got dnsmasq-base 2.50, but not dnsmasq 2.50
[09:31] <alkisg> bigjools: you're a genious :)
[09:31] <Daviey> i thought every ppa package was built as "main", if you liked it or not?
[09:31] <bigjools> yet another reason why using +copy-packages  is BAD
[09:31] <bigjools> (with primary archive I mean)
[09:32] <bigjools> Daviey: it's a bug :(
[09:32] <Daviey> ah, i thought it was as designed :)
[09:33] <bigjools> I mean it's a bug that it's not all main
[09:33] <bigjools> it's because it was copied with binaries
[09:33] <alkisg> OK. Lesson learned, *don't copy packages from the primary archive. rebuild sources* :)
[09:34] <alkisg> Thank you bigjools, thank you all :)
[09:34] <bigjools> alkisg: welcome, sorry for your troubles
[09:35] <maxb> (and don't copy sources, rebuilding binaries, either)
[09:35] <bigjools> well, copying from main will be ok
[09:35] <bigjools> anything else will leave you with problems
[09:35] <wgrant> The main reason I've seen it used is to get debhelper 7 in hardy.
[09:35] <wgrant> And for that it works.
[09:36] <maxb> yup, done that :-)
[09:36] <maxb> but then I needed 7.0.50
[09:37] <wgrant> Should I not be revolted upon seeing lp.soyuz.scripts imports in webapp code?
[09:37] <bigjools> wgrant: err, ew?
[09:37] <alkisg> So, is manual uploading the only way to fix it now? Or would deleting the packages + copy/w/rebuild from the karmic archive work?
[09:37] <wgrant> bigjools: The IArchive.syncSource(s) and the archive copy view use lp.soyuz.scripts.packagecopier
[09:38] <wgrant> alkisg: Copy with rebuild would work if you hadn't already copied it.
[09:38] <wgrant> alkisg: But you have, so you must upload to get a new version.
[09:38] <alkisg> Ah. Manual it is, then :-/ Thanks, wgrant :)
[09:38] <bigjools> wgrant: there's probably more than that as well... :(
[09:38] <alkisg> Ah, final question, so now I'll need 2.50+ppa1, right?
[09:39] <maxb> alkisg: never copy with rebuild into previous series
[09:39] <wgrant> bigjools: I just happened to stumble upon them, so probably.
[09:39] <alkisg> Or 2.50-0ubuntu1~ppa1 ?
[09:39] <wgrant> Both of those are wrong.
[09:39] <wgrant> 2.50-1~something
[09:39] <alkisg> maxb: I'll copy with rebuild to my repository for karmic, then copy binaries to previous versions - will that work?
[09:40] <alkisg> wgrant, thanks
[09:40] <wgrant> Best to do a manual upload.
[09:40] <alkisg> OK. Thank you all.
[09:40] <maxb> alkisg: well, that's a bit more permissible, but I doubt whether LP will let you reuse the version
[09:40] <bigjools> alkisg: no, once a version exists in an archive, it can never be rebuilt or re-uploaded
[09:40] <maxb> Unfortunately there is now NO version you can use which is both correct and allowable by LP
[09:40] <alkisg> maxb: it allows me to copy binaries between versions, but not to copy/w/rebuild
[09:41] <wgrant> bigjools: Binaries can so...
[09:41] <alkisg> *between ubuntu series
[09:41] <maxb> wgrant: I am scared :-/
[09:41] <bigjools> wgrant: eh?
[09:41] <wgrant> bigjools: Multiple binaries with the same (bpn, version) can exist in one archive.
[09:42] <maxb> *blink*
[09:42] <maxb> ewww
[09:42] <wgrant> Not the same (bpn, version, PUBLISHED), of course.
[09:43] <bigjools> I'm not sure how that can happen
[09:43] <alkisg> (11:39:48 πμ) wgrant: 2.50-1~something  ==> but that's a lower version than the already uploaded dnsmasq - will launchpad allow me to use that version?
[09:43] <wgrant> bigjools: It has happened in the primary archive at least once, and it broke the a-f cache.
[09:43] <al-maisan> wgrant: how would such a situation come about?
[09:43] <wgrant> bigjools: Related to a version being uploaded to -proposed, then deleted, then a later security update reused the version, IIRC.
[09:44] <bigjools> ah right, it's a bug :)
[09:44] <wgrant> But it can happen within one pocket if a binary moves between sources.
[09:44] <bigjools> yeah I remember that
[09:44] <wgrant> And it doesn't cause any problems except confusion.
[09:44] <wgrant> (and a-f archive corruption, but stuff the primary archive)
[09:44] <wgrant> alkisg: If you are evil, yes. Delete the package, wait until it's removed... voila.
[09:45] <alkisg> Nice :)
[09:45] <wgrant> I think it's OK here, since nobody should have the binary anyway.
[09:45] <alkisg> Yeah, I understand
[09:45] <wgrant> Normally that is very bad.
[09:45] <bigjools> wgrant: the upload will be refused
[09:46] <wgrant> bigjools: Which? The conflicting binary, or older source?
[09:46] <bigjools> older source at least
[09:46] <bigjools> and probably the conflicting binary
[09:46] <wgrant> I don't believe so. Not if the previous source is gone.
[09:46] <wgrant> I've seen it done,
[09:46] <bigjools> it's not gone though, it's still in the publishing history
[09:47] <wgrant> Right.
[09:47]  * wgrant checks the code.
[09:47] <bigjools> if it can happen, it's a bug
[09:49] <wgrant> bigjools: It (getSourceAncestry) quite deliberately only looks for PENDING/PUBLISHED.
[09:49] <bigjools> ummm ew
[09:49] <wgrant> Perhaps.
[09:49] <wgrant> I wonder if that breaks overrides.
[09:49] <bigjools> see if you can re-create it then
[09:50] <wgrant> You mean upload the same version?
[09:50] <bigjools> same or older should not work
[09:51] <wgrant> Argh. So many methods on Distribution/DistroSeries that should be on Archive.
[09:52] <wgrant> bigjools: You can't ever upload a conflicting source version.
[09:52] <wgrant> bigjools: No problem with an older one AFAICT, though.
[09:52] <bigjools> wow
[09:52] <bigjools> ok
[09:53] <bigjools> I guess apt won't complain too loudly about that
[09:53] <wgrant> (the check for the same version is based on file content check, which uses IDistribution.getFileByName to track down the file. That doesn't care about the status.)
[09:53] <wgrant> Now, I would have thought that same thing would be used for binaries.
[09:53] <wgrant> Maybe it is now.
[09:53]  * wgrant looks.
[09:54] <thumper> wgrant, bigjools: isn't this conversation more suited to #launchpad-dev?
[09:54] <wgrant> thumper: Indeed, it did rather mutate.
[10:11] <saispo> anyone use launchpad.dev ? i have some problem with team mailing list
[10:11] <saispo> i don't receive the mail for the creating request
[10:37] <simon-o> Hi, ~doctiese6 is spamming bug 323239. Can somebody disable his account?
[10:41] <wgrant> Intriguing. That comment clearly exists, but doesn't have a karma entry.
[10:51] <simon-o> wgrant: Do you have an idea how to block him?
[10:53] <wgrant> simon-o: That needs a sysadmin. Is it just the one recent comment?
[10:54] <simon-o> wgrant: No, all his comments are spam, but the bug is not.
[10:54] <simon-o> Are there sysadmins here or do I need to ask in launchpad-dev?
[10:55] <wgrant> simon-o: There are probably no sysadmins around at the moment. Probably best to ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion.
[11:00] <simon-o> wgrant: thanks, I filled question 82215
[11:01] <simon-o> filed
[11:58] <rithy> Why my ppa not build packages that I upload?
[11:59] <bigjools> rithy: which PPA and package?
[11:59] <rithy> ~/moonos-dev
[11:59] <rithy> I uploaded 1 hour ago
[12:00] <bigjools> which package?
[12:00] <rithy> moonassistant, mooncontrol, moondomain, moongrub, moonmetacity, moonslim, moonsoftware and moonusplash
[12:01] <bigjools> rithy: you need to be patient I'm afraid, there's a large queue of builds today
[12:01] <bigjools> look at your build pages and it gives you an estimate of when it will start building
[12:01] <bigjools> e.g, https://edge.launchpad.net/~moonos-dev/+archive/ppa/+build/1208018
[12:03] <rithy> I can't wait for this. In 1 hours ago it say in 3 hours but now it 4 hours
[12:04] <rithy> Maybe it can up to 5 or 6 hours
[12:04] <rithy> I need it very much for now
[12:05] <maxb> Yes but all the other users of the PPA service also want their builds now. So you queue.
[12:05] <rithy> :)
[12:07] <rithy> Thank for all
[12:08] <bigjools> rithy: another interesting page if you want to know more: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[12:08] <maxb> The non-edge version is probably more accessible
[12:08] <rithy> :D
[12:09] <bigjools> maxb: is there something you think we can do to make the new one better?
[12:09] <rithy> :)
[12:10] <maxb> The only things I can think of are in conflict with the future plans for blurring the distinctions between architectures and virtual/non-virtual builders
[12:11] <maxb> The problem with the edge page is that it's hard to see at a glance exactly which builders are capable of building the specific build you're interested in
[12:11] <maxb> Also, has gold got stuck? It's been idle for a while despite the queue
[12:12] <wgrant> maxb: The stats on the right are pretty useful, though.
[12:13] <maxb> Hmm. gold has apparently not built anything since the 12th of August
[12:13] <bigjools> a while is a nice understatement, it's not built anything for a month!
[12:13] <wgrant> It could have been Enabled for much of that time.
[12:13] <bigjools> wgrant: yeah, I really like the new stats, it's a good indication of how loaded the farm is
[12:14] <wgrant> bigjools: It's much nicer to look at than the old one which needed scrolling.
[12:14] <maxb> I have a feeling gold is one of the permanent ones?
[12:14] <wgrant> Although it would be nice if empty queues were faded.
[12:14] <maxb> It certainly doesn't vanish often
[12:14] <bigjools> wgrant: nice idea
[12:14] <wgrant> bigjools: I think idle builders should have their status faded too.
[12:15] <wgrant> But I'm not quite so sure about that one.
[12:15] <bigjools> me neither
[12:15] <bigjools> fancy doing a patch? :)
[12:16] <wgrant> Sure. I've been meaning to do a UI patch for a while.
[12:19] <Ferzzz> Hi, is this the IRC channel for launchpadlib?
[12:22] <intellectronica> Ferzzz: it is
[12:23] <Ferzzz> we ve had some HTTP 500 when trying to attach files to bugs through launchpadlib
[12:23] <Ferzzz> has the API changed lately?
[12:24] <Ferzzz> (first issue was reported around the 1st September)
[12:31] <intellectronica> Ferzzz: that's probably not a launchpadlib problem but a problem with the launchpad api
[12:31] <intellectronica> Ferzzz: do you have an example? have you filed a bug?
[12:32] <wgrant> intellectronica: Wasn't there a change related to that which knowingly broke older clients?
[12:32] <intellectronica> wgrant: nothing i know of. do you mean a change to the api or to lplib?
[12:33] <wgrant> intellectronica: In the API, Something to do with binary content in files. But I think that one was quite some time ago.
[12:34] <wgrant> Yet I saw discussion of it somewhere just last week...
[12:34] <intellectronica> could be. maybe allenap knows?
[12:34] <james_w> yes, there was
[12:35] <wgrant> Bug #423880
[12:35] <allenap> intellectronica, wgrant: Of hand, I don't know, and I'm afraid I have to go very soon.
[12:35] <allenap> s/Of/Off
[12:35] <wgrant> It was actually a month ago that the change was made.
[12:35] <james_w> bug 353805
[12:36] <wgrant> Right.
[12:38] <intellectronica> Ferzzz: anyway, i also must go get some food, but if you could file a bug with an example script, someone can take a look at it later. you should file it against malone, rather than launchpadlib. 500 error means something went wrong on the server, so it's unlikely to be a problem with launchpadlib itself
[12:43] <asac> hi ... somone could please triage bug 424147
[12:43] <asac> ?
[12:43] <asac> or is there another master bug ;)
[12:44] <asac> bad regression ... should be blocker for roll out
[12:45] <wgrant> asac: That's probably because the branch page hasn't been redesigned yet.
[12:47] <asac> wgrant: ok so its WORK IN PROGRESS you say?
[12:47] <wgrant> asac: I believe so. There were discussions about a big redesign of that page a couple of weeks ago, and I imagine it's scheduled for before 3.0.
[12:48] <asac> ok. so someone should mark that bug as a blocker for 3.0 ... even though if its a non-issue as there is a plan :)
[12:49] <intellectronica> asac: as you might have noticed from other pages, the UI is kinda' in flux (until the end of this cycle). most likely this page will see a redesign, but it's probably a good idea nevertheless to target this bug to 3.0 so that it's not forgotten.
[12:50] <intellectronica> asac: rockstar would be good person to ask about that, but i think he's not up yet. i'll ask him when he gets up (if i remember. you can try too)
[12:50] <Ferzzz> thank you very much guys, I ll take a look at bug 423880 and fill a bug if necessary
[12:51] <intellectronica> asac: don't forget that you can disable using edge if you find it difficult to work with the changing UI. rest assured it will stabilize by the time 3.0 is released
[12:52] <asac> intellectronica: right. thaanks for the info. i am not sure when to start filing bugs. any hints? i filed like 4 yestreday, so maybe i should stop doing that while its still in the flux
[12:52] <asac> intellectronica: i know i can disable it
[12:52] <asac> intellectronica: just want to ensure that no bad regressions end up in production eventually ;)
[12:52] <asac> so i rather keep on using it - if possible at all
[12:52] <intellectronica> asac: there's not harm in filing bugs. better file them so the issue is not forgotten
[12:53] <asac> rockstar: 424147 can you please triage and milestone it ;)
[12:53] <intellectronica> anyway...
[12:54]  * intellectronica --> malzeit
[12:54] <asac> intellectronica: sure. but if i know that things are like landing each and every day i would rather wait two more weeks or so
[12:54] <asac> because filing bugs consumes time on my side too ;)
[12:54] <asac> intellectronica: is there a release schedule somewhere?
[12:54] <asac> intellectronica: anyway. enjoy your lunch
[12:55] <wgrant> asac: https://dev.launchpad.net/Releases/2009Calendar
[12:55] <asac> thx wgrant
[12:55] <asac> oh 3.0 is close
[12:55] <asac> guess i should file even more bugs ;)
[13:00] <Ferzzz> sorry
[13:23] <gnomefreak> is LP having problems on server side? i keep getting Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server
[15:10] <mrevell-lunch> gnom/nick mrevell
[15:52] <kfogel> sinzui: Does karma accrue for subrevisions (e.g., like the commits listed under each landing at https://dev.launchpad.net/Contributions) ?
[15:53] <sinzui> kfogel: I do not know
[15:53] <kfogel> sinzui: *nod*  Do you know what dev might know off the top of their head?
[15:53] <sinzui> I believe you only get karma for your commit of the id that is unique
[15:54] <sinzui> kfogel: thumper and jml know
[15:54] <kfogel> sinzui: thanks.  I'm pretty sure jml doesn't, because I think I asked him the other night, but I'll ping thumper.
[15:55] <kfogel> salgado: ping
[16:00] <bigjools> kfogel: I think you do, at least I see karma events for new revisions on my page
[16:00] <kfogel> bigjools: ah great -- including your revs contained in PQM landings?
[16:01] <bigjools> kfogel: well they're the same revision, so it's already accounted for
[16:01] <salgado> kfogel, otp
[16:02] <kfogel> salgado: np, just ping me when ready
[16:16] <kfogel> thekorn: ping re bug #325367
[16:17] <thekorn> kfogel, reading the bug, must be an old one
[16:17] <kfogel> thekorn: you apparently have a branch for it :-)
[16:19] <thekorn> kfogel, but I'm not sure anymore if I really like this branch :)
[16:19] <kfogel> thekorn: I haven't looked at it yet, so I'll believe whatever you say.
[16:19] <kfogel> thekorn: I got to the bug via filing bug #426323, which is about a similar topic.
[16:20] <kfogel> thekorn: mainly just wanted to know if you were planning to continue with it, because if you were, I'd ask you for help testing my 426323 fix :-).
[16:20] <kfogel> thekorn: though I am also interested in seeing the TOC appear.
[16:22] <thekorn> kfogel, my idea was to use the sphinx documentation framework to generate docs + examples
[16:22] <thekorn> problem is: it needs everything in rst format
[16:23] <thekorn> so I thought about writing a wadl-to-rst stylesheet
[16:23] <thekorn> whithout actually knowing how this all works
[16:23] <kfogel> thekorn: mrmrm.  yeah.  I'm going for much more limited solutions, if I can.  I don't want to involve any new tools.
[16:24] <thekorn> so maybe someone with knowledge of xsl can do it more easily and cleaner, if wanted
[16:24] <thekorn> right, that's a problem too
[16:26] <kfogel> thekorn: I'll see what I know after doing the other bug.  If not, maybe sinzui can help; I think he knows more about this than we do.
[16:30] <thekorn> kfogel, no matter how this (and similar) bug are solved, but they should be solved somehow, because the more new features are added to the API the more unreadable this large-one-page-apidoc gets
[16:31] <kfogel> thekorn: yuppers
[16:31] <kfogel> thekorn: well, I mean, search does a lot
[16:31] <kfogel> thekorn: but a TOC would still be nice :-)
[16:50] <mathiaz> hi - is there a way via launchpadlib to get the list of packages to which a team is a bug contact (ie the list of packages from https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs for ex)?
[16:52] <geser> kfogel: I once also tried to look at the .xsl file to see how hard it would be to get a TOC included but got already stuck at the point how to actually use the .xsl file to get a .html file to test any changes I might make. Is there any documentation how to actually build the documentation?
[16:52] <kfogel> geser: that's what I'm looking for too.  I spoke to gary about it a few weeks back; he was doing some work that would make it easier, IIRC.  I need to ping him again.
[18:00]  * mpt submits his first merge proposal, wheeeee
[18:02] <Daviey> mpt: I tried to approve my first merge proposal a few hours ago.. wasn't quite sure what to do!
[18:14] <thekorn> kfogel, geser that's what I used some time ago to build the apidoc, but maybe there is some script in the launchpad source which does the job in a more generic way: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267402/
[18:14] <kfogel> thekorn: thx, will look
[18:14] <kfogel> (but looooooooonch first)
[18:27] <smoser> it appears that 'hide duplicates' button doesn't do anything (at least not what i expected)
[18:27] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=WONTFIX&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug
[18:27] <smoser> _supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=ec2-images&field.tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search
[18:27] <smoser> shoot...
[18:27] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=WONTFIX&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug
[18:27] <smoser> _supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=ec2-images&field.tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search
[18:27] <smoser> show the same list (both with multiple entries for the same bug number)
[18:27] <smoser> i would have thought 'hide duplicates' would show a bug only once
[18:31] <smoser> can anyone confirm that ?
[18:31] <smoser> or is this just luser error ?
[18:39] <micahg> smoser: hide duplicates hides bugs marked as duplicates, not multiple tasks for the same bug
[18:40] <smoser> ah. ok. so is there a way to condense tasks ? to only show a single entry for a bug ?
[18:41] <micahg> idk
[20:10] <geser> kfogel: I played a little bit with the .xsl and have now a basic table-of-contents already, needs now a little bit polishing
[20:11] <kfogel> geser: !!!
[20:11] <kfogel> geser: that's terrific.  Is there a branch where I can look?
[20:11] <geser> not yet
[20:14] <geser> kfogel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267490/ , but it's currently more a test that my idea works (working now on the layout and the indenting of the changes)
[20:16] <kfogel> geser: looking
[20:18] <kfogel> geser: looks sane to me.  Can you tell me what environment you have set up and what commands you're running to test this?  I wanted to make some similar changes for bug #426323, and even have a branch, but ran into some issues trying to test it.
[20:19] <kfogel> geser: (or if you want to just incorporate the tiny changes from my branch into what you're doing, and thus resolve both bugs at once, that would be fine too)
[20:20] <geser> kfogel: I branched lp:launchpadlib (to get the source), used thekorn's script to fetch the wadl file (modified it to store in a file) and use xmlstarlet to go the transformation (using xsltproc works too)
[20:20] <kfogel> geser: thx
[20:21] <kfogel> geser: none of this required a branch of launchpad itself, right?
[20:21] <geser> no
[20:21] <geser> as far as I can tell you just need the .xsl file and the wadl file and a XSLT processor
[20:24] <kfogel> geser: *nod*
[21:22] <geser> thekorn: what's your idea about http://www.bienia.de/tmp/apidoc.html? (+apidoc with a TOC)
[21:24] <intellectronica> geser: wow, chapeau for preparing this. i would have rather it didn't use frames but simply added the toc at the beginning on the page like you often see in wikis, but even this is already a nice improvement
[21:25] <geser> intellectronica: it doesn't use frames
[21:25] <geser> intellectronica: it uses a div with position:fixed
[21:25] <geser> kfogel: look at http://www.bienia.de/tmp/apidoc.html :)
[21:25] <intellectronica> geser: well, i don't mean the implementation, but how it's laid out
[21:26] <kfogel> geser: sorry, dropped off b/c laptop somehow reached critical temperature.  looking.
[21:27] <geser> intellectronica: might really be enough just to list it at the beginning of the page as the ones within the page are linked
[21:28] <kfogel> geser: I'm happy either way, but am more accustomed to non-framey layouts personally
[21:30] <geser> kfogel, intellectronica: updated. the toc is now at the beginning of the page
[21:31] <kfogel> geser: like it!
[21:31] <geser> should I add a link to the TOC at the end of each entry?
[21:33] <intellectronica> geser: that's beautiful!
[21:33] <kfogel> geser: IMHO, no.  Those who use the page often will know where the TOC is.  Those who don't will jump first to the start to see what's up anyway.
[21:33] <intellectronica> geser: i never find those links useful, because i can always stroke Home if i want to go to the top of the page. but i guess it doesn't harm
[21:34] <kfogel> intellectronica: (I think it does harm -- any clutter is noise, a slight distraction to the reader)
[21:35] <geser> when I using the browser I've my hand at the mouse to having a link to the TOC saves me to moving my hand to the keyboard and back again to the mouse
[21:36] <geser> but if consensus it to leave out such a link, I'll leave it out
[21:36] <intellectronica> you see, that's why i only use thinkpad keyboards :)
[21:36] <thekorn> geser, wow, super gut! - thanks alot
[21:41] <kfogel> geser: I'd say leave it out, b/c most likely people will open TOC in one tab, and then open individual items in other tabs anyway.
[21:42] <geser> kfogel: a reader is problably just interested about the object he jumped to and doesn't read the page from top to bottom. after that he either follows a link to an other object or starts from fresh (back to toc). (and the bug also asks about a "top" link to quickly jump to the toc)
[21:44] <thumper> kfogel: you get karma for each revision that launchpad is able to attribute to you
[21:44] <kfogel> geser: I'm just not exactly sure where these back-to-toc links would go, nor how frequent they would be, I guess.
[21:44] <thumper> kfogel: it doesn't have to be a mainline revision
[21:45] <kfogel> thumper: thank you, just what I needed to confirm.
[21:45] <kfogel> thumper: while we're here: do we know what the timeline is on moving all launchpad branches to 2a format?
[21:46] <kfogel> thumper: there's some backscroll in #launchpad that is related to that; I can paste for you if you want.
[21:46] <thumper> no
[21:46] <thumper> kfogel: it is a sensitive issue
[21:47] <thumper> kfogel: there may well be users that don't have bzr 2 and if we upgrade their branches it is unusable for them
[21:47] <kfogel> thumper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267539/   (short read)
[21:47] <kfogel> thumper: I understand, sure.  That's why I'm asking what's our plan?  That is, what have we decided is the condition that needs to be satisfied?
[21:48] <thumper> kfogel: the general thoughts at the last team lead is that we'd be waiting at least a release or two after bzr 2.0
[21:48] <kfogel> thumper: ah, a whiles away.  okay, thanks.
[21:48] <thumper> yes
[21:48] <thumper> kfogel: we have the next ubuntu distro series opening before that
[21:48] <kfogel> thumper: might want to tell that to flacoste.  in the meantime, figuring out the flags to pass to 'bzr init-repo' is going to be painful for those who run bzr nightlies.
[21:49] <thumper> why?
[21:49] <kfogel> thumper: because it now defaults to 2a.
[21:49] <thumper> so?
[21:49] <thumper> are you thinking about repos that aren't in 2a on lp?
[21:49] <thumper> to get branches?
[21:49] <kfogel> thumper: so if the branch you're concerned with is not 2a -- which it usually isn't -- then to create the right kind of shared repository..
[21:49] <kfogel> right
[21:49] <kfogel> thumper: right, on lp, exactly
[21:50] <kfogel> thumper: IOW, when I work with an lp-hosted project, I usually create a shared repo.
[21:50] <kfogel> then I branch trunk into that shared repo, and branch trunk->myworkingbranch in that shared repo.
[21:50] <thumper> kfogel: it isn't any more difficult than not running with nightlies and getting a 2a project
[21:50] <kfogel> thumper: not quite true: in the latter case, the advice is simple: "always run 'bzr init-repo --2a".
[21:51] <thumper> kfogel: perhaps you should look at bzr reconfigure
[21:51] <kfogel> thumper: in the former case, the flags could be any number of things, and it's not easy for a non-bzr-dev to figure out from looking at the English prose on the project's branch pages.
[21:51] <kfogel> thumper: how would that help?
[21:51] <thumper> well
[21:51]  * thumper waves hands around
[21:51] <thumper> bzr branch lp:some-project
[21:51] <thumper> then reconfigure the branch to be a shared repo
[21:51] <thumper> don't have to care about formats
[21:54] <kfogel> th
[21:54] <kfogel> whups
[21:54] <kfogel> thumper: when I read the reconfigure help, it doesn't seem to indicate that it turns an existing branch *into* a shared repo, but rather that it reconfigures an existing branch to *use* a (presumably already existing) share repo.  Is that not how it works?
[21:55] <thumper> kfogel: I think a little experimentation will be needed
[21:55] <thumper> kfogel: the idea would be to branch a project
[21:55] <thumper> kfogel: reconfigure the repo to be a shared repo
[21:55] <thumper> kfogel: move the branch to a directory "trunk"
[21:55] <thumper> kfogel: something like that
[21:56] <kfogel> thumper: well, experimentation is definitely needed, sure.  I'm not sure where "the repo" comes form in the second step there; somewhere in the .bzr directory?  And do we really want to be advising people to futz with their .bzr directories? :-)
[21:57] <thumper> kfogel: inside the .bzr directory there is the branch and the repository
[21:57] <thumper> kfogel: a shared repository is basicly a flag in the repository directory
[21:57] <kfogel> thumper: my point is merely that we are in for some pain either way.  Now that trunk bzr has made 2a its default, we should take that into account -- the cost of not upgrading launchpad branches to 2a has just gotten a bit higher, that's all.
[21:57] <geser> kfogel: if you want to look: I've added the back links to http://www.bienia.de/tmp/apidoc.html
[21:57] <thumper> sure
[21:58] <kfogel> geser: taking a look
[21:58] <kfogel> thumper: geser is solving bug #325367, cheers are in order
[22:00] <thumper> geser: cheers!
[22:02] <BUGabundo> hey
[22:02] <BUGabundo> sinzui: ping
[22:02] <BUGabundo> I'm trying to add a new email
[22:02] <BUGabundo><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:02] <BUGabundo> and I'm getting this error
[22:02] <BUGabundo> The email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is already registered to Registry Administrators.  If you think that is a duplicated account, you can merge  it into your account.
[22:02] <sinzui> Hi BUGabundo
[22:02] <BUGabundo> this make absolute NO sense to me
[22:03] <sinzui> BUGabundo: That is strange to wrong. Registry Administrators should not have email addresses.
[22:03]  * sinzui looks
[22:03] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:04] <BUGabundo> sinzui: FYI page is https://edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo/+editemails
[22:08] <sinzui> BUGabundo: I cannot see the address. I think you need to ask a question to https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad . An admin needs to perform db surgery to delete the address.
[22:09] <BUGabundo> I never even use that address before
[22:09] <BUGabundo> its not an awnser, it's a bug
[22:10] <sinzui> BUGabundo: ~registry officially does not have an email address. The one that is assigned to it is /dev/null. I cannot see how or why it would have other email addresses.
[22:10] <BUGabundo> I know
[22:10] <BUGabundo> see why I came here?
[22:10] <BUGabundo> I was stuck looking at why it was showing me that
[22:10] <BUGabundo> let me try another fake email
[22:10] <BUGabundo> can you test it too?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> A confirmation message has been sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Follow  the instructions in that message to confirm that the address is yours.  (If the message doesn't arrive in a few minutes, your mail provider  might use 'greylisting', which could delay the message for up to an hour  or two.)
[22:11] <BUGabundo> LULZ
[22:12] <BUGabundo> now what
[22:12] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/token/TNJ1SBXH6hdgrMQWHbWr
[22:12] <BUGabundo> Lost something?There’s no page with this address in Launchpad.Check that you entered the address correctly, or search for it:
[22:12] <kfogel> geser: gosh, they look fine.  +1 from me
[22:12] <BUGabundo> LP is broken eheh
[22:14] <BUGabundo> sinzui: what do you think its up?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> can't even validate an email I got :(
[22:14] <sinzui> BUGabundo: I think the email is owned by registry admins, so you cannot access it
[22:15] <BUGabundo> sinzui: asked for a new confirmation email and that seems to have worked
[22:15] <BUGabundo> sinzui: I used a *new* email
[22:15] <sinzui> BUGabundo: Sorry, new? another test address?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> no
[22:16] <BUGabundo> realone
[22:16] <BUGabundo><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:16] <BUGabundo> already confirmed now
[22:17] <sinzui> BUGabundo: I am still not certain what you are doing with the confirm that relates to the issue of someone else having your email address.
[22:17] <BUGabundo> me neither
[22:17] <BUGabundo> but at least now I have ML working
[22:18] <BUGabundo> I'll take care of opening a bug/anwser for the other email later
[22:18] <geser> kfogel: is there a doc how I get by branch back to LP and get it reviewed? (never done that till now)
[22:19] <sinzui> BUGabundo: How old is the mustard@ address?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> it aint
[22:20] <BUGabundo> never existed before
[22:20] <BUGabundo> AFAIK
[22:20] <sinzui> you created it today?
[22:20] <kfogel> geser: I can help
[22:20] <kfogel> geser: you branched launchpadlib to make these changes, right?
[22:21] <geser> yes, bzr branch lp:launchpadlib
[22:21] <kfogel> (sinzui: this stuff that geser and I are talking about is probably going to get sent to you for review; fair warning :-) )
[22:21] <kfogel> geser: are all your changes committed into your local branch?  You don't have any necessary parts that are not now incorporated into your launchpadlib?
[22:22] <sinzui> kfogel: for TOC?
[22:22] <kfogel> geser: I could ask that better: "All necessary parts are now incorporated & committed into your launchpadlib?"
[22:22] <kfogel> sinzui: yup
[22:22] <kfogel> sinzui: he's done it.
[22:22] <sinzui> a TOC would be nice
[22:22] <BUGabundo> sinzui: it's a catch all account
[22:22] <kfogel> sinzui: http://www.bienia.de/tmp/apidoc.html
[22:23] <geser> kfogel: yes
[22:24] <geser> sinzui: I already removed that page
[22:25] <sinzui> geser: I can see it when the review is requested. I have other matters I need to attend to today
[22:25] <kfogel> geser: great.  So, assuming your launchpad account username is 'geser', do: "bzr push lp:~geser/launchpadlib/toc" to create a personal branch called 'toc' up on launchpad, based on the launchpadlib project.
[22:25] <kfogel> geser: then we'll turn your branch into a merge proposal, and send it to sinzui or whoever for review.
[22:26] <kfogel> geser: you might want to keep your http://www.bienia.de/tmp/apidoc.html page live for now, so that the merge proposal can point to it.    2) rebranch launchpadlib.  3) re-commit in one commit, with the right log message this time.  4) remove your lp branch.  5) re-push to re-create the lp branch.
[22:38] <kfogel> geser: thoughts?
[22:45] <geser> kfogel: 1), 2) and 3) done. How do I 4)?
[22:46] <kfogel> geser: on phone, one sec
[22:51] <kfogel> geser: back now
[22:51] <kfogel> geser: so go to your lp branch page. see the trash can icon next to the branch?
[22:51] <kfogel> sinzui: whoo hoo!
[22:52] <kfogel> sinzui: oh, I thouoght the planet had been themed now. apparently not.
[22:52] <sinzui> I am not posting on planet until it looks sexy
[22:52] <kfogel> geser: knock on the trash can, it will open up and swallow your existing branch :-)
[22:52] <geser> kfogel: I have seen the edit link but somehow overlooked the trash icon
[22:53] <kfogel> sinzui: my feelings exactly.  If it ain't good lookin', it ain't nothin'.
[22:56] <geser> kfogel: 4) and 5) done too
[22:56] <kfogel> geser: ok, let me refresh the branch page
[22:57] <kfogel> geser: so, on your branch page, see the link "Link to a bug report" ?
[22:57] <kfogel> let's first link this to the bug
[22:58] <geser> done
[23:03] <kfogel> geser: ok, now let's make a merge proposal
[23:03]  * kfogel refreshes the page
[23:03] <kfogel> geser: oh, please say my nick or I may not see it (I'm often away from this screen unless I have reason to think someone's saying stuff at me)
[23:04] <kfogel> geser: ok, click "propose for merging into another branch"
[23:05] <kfogel> geser: we're creating a merge proposal, which is pretty simple: it will have a short "cover letter", which will contain among other things the link to the demo site.
[23:07] <geser> kfogel: filled in initial comment, the other fields can be left at their defaults?
[23:10] <kfogel> geser: hmm, let me see, one sec
[23:10] <poolie> kfogel: do you want to catch up? i'm meant to be calling jam in a sec
[23:10] <kfogel> geser: I'd put "sinzui" for reviewer
[23:11] <kfogel> poolie: I can't, thanks, I will have to run in a bit, but I'll actually be back later tonight & we can chat then.
[23:11] <kfogel> poolie: s/tonight/today for you/
[23:11] <poolie> kk
[23:12] <kfogel> geser: everything else is defaults, yeah.  want to paste the text of your proposal cover letter before you hit submit?  I'm happy to review if you want.
[23:12] <kfogel> geser: when you submit it, an email is sent to the designated reviewer
[23:13] <geser> kfogel: oops, I already hit submit. It's mainly my commit statement and a link to my example page.
[23:14] <kfogel> geser: np, I'll read now
[23:15] <kfogel> geser: looks great to me
[23:15] <kfogel> geser: thank you!
[23:17] <kfogel> geser: I'm going to work on bug #426323, inspired by your example.
[23:24] <geser> kfogel: I'm now going to fix the HTML errors in that page (the W3C validators complains about over 2500 mistakes)
[23:25] <kfogel> geser: is that more than the validator complained about before?
[23:25] <kfogel> geser: IOW, is this unrelated to your change?
[23:25] <geser> it's unrelated
[23:26] <geser> kfogel: I checked the page to see if I didn't introduce any HTML mistakes
[23:27] <kfogel> geser: gotcha.
[23:27] <kfogel> geser: btw, how much longer will you be online today?  (I'm thinking of taking a break before coming back, but on the other hand it might be to my advantage to have you around to ping if I run into anything with my bug.)
[23:28] <geser> kfogel: probably not long (it's past midnight here already)
[23:28] <kfogel> geser: ok, np
[23:29] <kfogel> geser: earlier you said to me "<geser> kfogel: I branched lp:launchpadlib (to get the source), used thekorn's script to fetch the wadl file (modified it to store in a file) and use xmlstarlet to go the transformation (using xsltproc works too)"
[23:30] <kfogel> geser: if you have a transcript of your commands, that might save me some time.  Your instructions are clear enough, but as I haven't run them yet, I don't know what bits of knowledge you might be assuming I have that I don't actually have :-).
[23:37] <geser> kfogel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/267586/ here is the modified script I used to download the wadl file and also how I did the XSL transformation.
[23:38] <kfogel> geser: thank you.  (is that the thekorn script you were referring to?)
[23:38] <geser> yes
[23:39] <geser> kfogel: yes
[23:40] <kfogel> geser: I think you probably just saved me 1.5 hours of work, with a margin of error of 200%.
[23:40]  * kfogel tries to be very precise about these things


[19:49]  * ianorlin has been reading my old star wars expanded universe books
[19:50] <ianorlin> I just read specter of the past and I jedi
[20:09] <Roguehorse> Currently visiting in Currie, NC ... very relaxing here =)
[20:36] <Roguehorse> Think I'll stay a while =)