[04:39] <Squirm> morning
[05:39] <nuvolari> hrr :-/
[05:39] <nuvolari> "Seeing you are so good with the photo club website and seem to be an IT techi etc I would like to ask you a question.
[05:39] <nuvolari>
[05:39] <nuvolari> Would you be able to help me to unlock our wi-fi modem."
[05:40] <nuvolari> website != modem
[05:52] <DigiGram> lol but modem and website has both to do with the internet, so you MUST be an expert on both
[05:55] <DigiGram> Does the monthly meetings take long?
[06:00] <Banlam> depends
[06:00] <Banlam> but usually less than an hour
[06:00] <Banlam> although talking can carry on past that
[06:00] <Banlam> some times start 5-10min late
[06:00] <Banlam> waiting for people to arrive
[06:01] <DigiGram> ah cool, will try to sit in tonight
[06:27] <superfly> good morning sleepy heads!!
[06:32] <nlsthzn> morning SubOracle
[06:32] <nlsthzn> >.<
[06:32] <nlsthzn> morning superfly
[06:32] <superfly> yo nlsthzn
[07:00] <DigiGram> my first take at designing a blog: http://beinganengineer3.blogspot.com/2012/08/blog-designing.html
[07:01] <DigiGram> I think my next mission will be to forget it and stick to templates hehe
[07:17] <tonberryE352> the numbered list and the red line in the background overlap on http://beinganengineer3.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-last-24-hours-of-24.html
[07:29] <DigiGram> I saw that tonberryE352 but my blog's template was used straight from source, I'll start editing my template next, most of my time went into my wife's template
[07:30] <DigiGram> And its been a while since I've done some HTML editing, so even her's is a work in progress, such as the stupid search bar, need to fix that
[07:31] <tonberryE352> oh i see
[07:32] <tonberryE352> still looks way better than the html i write...
[07:32] <tonberryE352> would help if I could properly use CSS...
[07:33] <DigiGram> but I saw the issue with the numbered list after I posted it, but I was on my way for a a day's leave, so didn't worry hehe
[07:34] <DigiGram> CSS is great!! And those templates are based on an XML template, so I did not create it from scratch
[08:49] <Kilos> evening superfly and others
[08:50] <Kilos> yo jurgie
[08:51] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Don't forget the meeting tonight at 19.30 peeps
[08:51] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Don't forget the meeting tonight at 19.30 peeps
[08:52] <DigiGram> will try to be here
[09:00] <DigiGram> any of you guys/gals teachers, principles or in any way involved with education? Want to ask your input on an ill defined question
[09:04] <Kilos> ask anyway DigiGram must be lotsa opinions here
[09:05] <DigiGram> well, the question is: what is the differances and similiarities between mini-independant education systems and mini-dependant education systems
[09:05] <Kilos> tonberryE352, Guest18800 bad connection other side
[09:06] <DigiGram> the issue is the subject does not give a definition for [in]dependant systems, but the lecturer mentioned its dependance upon the "students"
[09:06] <DigiGram> stupid question IMHO, so hopefully the TA will clarify it quickly, I hope
[09:15] <Kilos> eish
[09:20] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[09:21] <jrgns> helo kilos
[09:25] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday dont forget tonights meet hey. goosie wont be here
[09:25] <maiatoday> ok I'll do my best
[09:25] <Kilos> ty
[09:34] <sflr> morning all!
[09:34] <Kilos> hi there sflr long time no see
[09:35] <Kilos> you forgot us hey?
[09:35] <sflr> hey Kilos! not at all :) life got busy :|
[09:35] <Kilos> oh my
[09:35] <Kilos> you all well sflr
[09:35] <Kilos> ?
[09:44] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[09:44] <Kilos> prepaid manager looks good tumbleweed  will save lotsa sim changes ty
[09:44] <Kilos> if it could only see the data as well
[09:45] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos
[09:45] <Kilos> dont forget tonight hey neil
[09:46] <nlsthzn> Getting a bit late... first it was 19:00 and now I see it is 19:30... I should make it... at least the first half in any case :)
[09:50] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:51] <Kilos> no man always been 19.30 isnt it?
[09:51] <Kilos> did you use my right addy for that mail superfly ?
[09:57] <superfly> jammer Kilos, things are hectic round here. can you just mail me a reminder please?
[09:57] <Kilos> np superfly will do ty
[10:09] <Kilos> this has been a bad year for spare time it seems. everyone super busy all the time
[10:10] <Kilos> luckily not many peeps need help anymore
[10:10] <Kilos> only me
[10:10] <DigiGram> the rest of us just suck it up
[10:11] <Kilos> hehe
[10:11] <Kilos> few years back this channel really worked
[10:12] <Kilos> spose thats the modern way. put more in and get less out
[10:12] <nlsthzn> >.> ah the good old days ... when the internet worked on parafien
[10:13] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[10:15] <DigiGram> and people knew about IRC
[10:20] <Kilos> hi falling
[10:21] <falling> hi.
[10:21] <Kilos> ah you been here before
[10:21] <falling> yes.
[10:21] <Kilos> si i see
[10:21] <Kilos> so
[10:27] <DigiGram> okay I know it's not what you guys spend your time with, but in Winblows, is there a way to using something like the AT command to run a program say 5minutes after startup?
[10:28] <DigiGram> otherwise I'll need start a counter at startup and wait 5minutes then excecute, but I'm trying not to install extra stuff
[10:28] <nlsthzn> DigiGram, can't you make a bat file and something like the pause command (can't remember if you can add a timer)
[10:28] <falling> DigiGram: Try making an counter with VBScript? :)
[10:29] <DigiGram> pause waits until the user pressees a key, but I can use ping <IP_ADDRESS> -w1000 -n3600 >nul as a pause maybe
[10:29] <falling> DigiGram: yes, you can :)
[10:30] <DigiGram> thats what I normally use but timed to wait 3 seconds, not 5minutes, should work I guess
[10:30] <DigiGram> why oh why couldn't they just use Ubuntu on the lab computers...
[10:30] <Kilos> lol
[10:31] <falling> DigiGram: dual boot ;)
[10:32] <DigiGram> that will make the issue larger hehe. I don't work on those PC's, I just need to backup them regularly
[10:32] <DigiGram> and I don't like BackupPC, so I wrote one using cygwin's version of rsync
[10:33] <DigiGram> but I need to wait until the WiFi is connected before I can start the script
[10:33] <falling> DigiGram: I see
[10:33] <falling> :)
[10:33] <falling> DigiGram: just install some additional programs. The full adobe suite and some games ;)
[10:33] <falling> issue solved xD
[10:33] <DigiGram> hehe
[10:34] <lets-smile> ^^ :)
[10:34] <Kilos> hehe
[10:34] <DigiGram> the PC's range from Pentium I's, to i3's, Win95 to Win7 (and my lone Ubuntu Server)
[10:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:35] <Kilos> what place uses old pcs like that still?
[10:36] <DigiGram> Kilos they are used on very old equipment that only works on 8bit
[10:36] <Kilos> ah
[10:37] <DigiGram> so as we upgrade those equipment (a few hunder thousand Rands at a time), we dump those pc's and get newer ones, but until then..
[10:37] <DigiGram> they won't buy a new R3M Xray machine just so I can rather use Win 7 on it than Win2000 lol
[10:38] <Kilos> lol
[10:38] <DigiGram> and the equipment doesn't support any Linux, most of it can't even be used without MS Office installed, not other office suite works for them, wth
[10:38] <Kilos> xp is easier and more managable than win7 methinks
[10:39] <DigiGram> depends, but I quite like 7, some good issues were adressed
[10:39] <DigiGram> almost as good as ubuntu 10.04 now
[10:40] <Kilos> haha
[11:05] <smile> brb
[11:33] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[11:34] <DigiGram> so what does the Ubuntu community think of iOS? and the iPad 3rd gen for that matter?
[11:36] <bakuman> I can only speak for myself. The products itself is cool enough, but I do not like Apple, and the fact that if you get one apple product you basically need to replace everything with apple, otherwise it is useless
[11:39] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[11:39] <psydroid> hi Digigram and bakuman
[11:39] <Kilos> hi psydroid bakuman
[11:39] <bakuman> hi hi
[11:40] <DigiGram> hi hi
[11:40] <psydroid> :)
[11:40] <DigiGram> bakuman I hear you, but currenly I have nothing on my iPad that I feel does not work on my Windows PC, haven't tried it with Ubuntu yet
[11:41] <DigiGram> maybe just because it's jailbroken, don't know
[11:41] <psydroid> my cousin even told me she is getting frustrated by the limitations of her iPhone and iPad
[11:42] <tonberryE352> we deal with bug, they deal with limitations
[11:42] <DigiGram> yes the limitations is frustrating
[11:42] <DigiGram> I'm used to Android, so the iPad is very limiting
[11:42] <DigiGram> even when JB
[11:50] <DigiGram> another question, anyone here working for an Engineering company, such as Sasol, Eskom or similiar?
[11:58] <superfly> DigiGram: I'm writing this from my rooted, flashed Kindle Fire, running the latest Android. You can't do that with Apple.
[12:00] <DigiGram> Yeah I know, my ARMv6 Samsung Galaxy Ace has ICS now (Jelly Bean is still Beta)
[12:00] <DigiGram> Apple will never support devices that far
[12:18] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: do you still have access to mirror.ac.za? apparently ambo doesn't atm
[12:20] <DigiGram> is it the TENET mirror?
[12:20] <tumbleweed> yes
[12:21] <DigiGram> ah
[12:21] <DigiGram> I love being on the TENET ring, speeds are awesome
[12:28] <sakhi> agreed
[12:29] <DigiGram> are there any speedtest.net servers on TENET somewhere? will love to see the speed
[12:29] <DigiGram> but I get this to Cell C's server in Jhb: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2120673249.png
[13:44] <DigiGram> I think I have too much work for tonight, if I miss the meeting tonight I'll check the logs tomorrow
[14:16] <DigiGram> cheers, maybe I'll be around for the meeting, I hope
[16:10] <nuvolari> .
[16:10] <Kilos> yo nuvolari
[16:11] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[16:11]  * nuvolari kyk die agenda uit
[16:11] <Kilos> i think we gonna be min here tonight
[16:11] <nuvolari> meh :-/
[16:11] <nuvolari> well, we had 2 great meetings to buffer this one
[16:12] <Kilos> ons sal maar sien. daar is niks nuut op agenda nie ne?
[16:12] <nuvolari> ek't niks bygesit nie oom
[16:12] <nuvolari> ja, die agenda is maar eil
[16:12] <Kilos> ek ook konnie dink aan iets nie, te besig met die dom unity
[16:13] <nuvolari> kry xfce oom
[16:13] <nuvolari> dis nie so gesukkel nie
[16:13] <Kilos> it really doesnt work well with externals
[16:13] <nuvolari> baie meer soos gnome2
[16:13] <Kilos> nee als werk maar so stadig teenoor maverick
[16:13] <nuvolari> xfce oom?
[16:13] <nuvolari> oh
[16:13] <nuvolari> welcome smile
[16:14] <Kilos> nee man xubuntu is nie selle nie
[16:14] <smile> thanks nuvolari
[16:14] <nuvolari> probably not the best dinner, but biltong is darm maar lekker
[16:14] <smile> nuvolari: bodhi linux is die snelste ;)
[16:14] <smile> ^^
[16:14] <Kilos> eish now my mouth is watering
[16:14] <nuvolari> smile: I tried it, but with 2 screens it was a bit of a headache wrt. fokus and desktop switching
[16:15] <nuvolari> *focus
[16:15] <Kilos> im sure im missing something thats all, and i said i will give unity a fair chance
[16:15] <smile> nuvolari: install lubuntu-core over bodhi ;)
[16:17] <nuvolari> smile: hmm, maybe I expressed myself wrong :P I meant to say that I have tried enlightenment, not bodhi itself
[16:17] <smile> nuvolari: Oh I see. Bodhi has the nicest Enlightenment implementation of all
[16:17] <smile> So give it a try :)
[16:18] <nuvolari> smile: dual screen handling?
[16:18] <smile> and if you don't like it, install lubuntu-core
[16:18] <smile> :p
[16:18] <smile> nuvolari: I hope so. every day new version arriving
[16:34] <Squirm> evening
[16:34] <smile> good evening, Squirm :p
[16:35] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[16:38] <nuvolari> anything I can add to the agenda?
[16:38] <Squirm> where can I find it?
[16:38] <Squirm> found it
[16:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: agenda
[16:38] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[16:38] <Kilos> top
[16:38] <nuvolari> hmm
[16:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[16:38] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/446/detail/
[16:39] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/LqWDYY
[16:39] <Squirm> ty
[16:39] <nuvolari> nothing much really
[16:39] <Kilos> in the topics bar at the top of xchat. dunno what you guys use
[16:39] <nuvolari> looks like it's going to be a hello, hi, bye meeting
[16:40] <Kilos> maybe we can add some unity gripes
[16:40] <Kilos> hehe
[16:40] <Squirm> yeah
[16:40] <Squirm> I was about to say I don't really see anything :P
[16:41] <nuvolari> awww, dayly squee: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kXE05lBbb3g/UDIrFTaCARI/AAAAAAAAzhU/9IgFbBOcTUo/w497-h373/268631_412420568793812_585430064_n%255B1%255D.jpg
[16:41] <Kilos> going over last minutes will use most of the time
[16:41] <nuvolari> +1 on that
[16:41] <nuvolari> lol
[16:42] <Kilos> oh well there cant always be new and important things to discuss
[16:42] <Kilos> we can discuss why all you geeks got less freetime this year than last year
[16:43] <Squirm> cause last year I wasn't really working
[16:43] <Squirm> this year, on the otherhand...
[16:43] <Squirm> speaking of which.
[16:43]  * nuvolari wasn't working as hard
[16:43]  * Squirm might be slow
[16:43]  * Squirm gets studying
[16:43] <Kilos> ya but everyone else seems to just be that much busier
[16:44] <nuvolari> rather, I had less responsibilities
[16:44] <Squirm> lies nuvolari, you never spoke
[16:44] <Squirm> ...ever
[16:44] <nuvolari> eh?
[16:44] <Kilos> haha he helped me lots Squirm
[16:44] <nuvolari> Squirm: so you mean I say more this year round?
[16:45] <Squirm> well, I've spoken to you more this year than last
[16:45] <nuvolari> hmm, good point
[16:46] <Squirm> last time we really spoke a lot was before I was in Ballito
[16:46] <Squirm> I actually think that's the last time I was there
[16:47] <nuvolari> locu
[16:47] <nuvolari> er
[16:47] <nuvolari> rage
[16:47] <Squirm> yep
[16:47] <nuvolari> the bad thing about dvorak is that if you missplace your fingers, you might just type something that still makes sense :P
[16:47] <nuvolari> *misplace
[16:47] <Squirm> lol
[16:49] <Squirm> nuvolari: have you done any LPIC?
[16:49] <Squirm> I mean, the exams
[16:49] <nuvolari> noo :-/
[16:50] <Squirm> ok
[16:50] <Squirm> after my exam on Friday, I'm going to look at getting them
[16:50] <Squirm> 1,2 and 3
[16:50] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee on
[16:50]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[16:51] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[16:51] <Maaz> nuvolari: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[16:51] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[16:51] <Maaz> Squirm: Yessir
[16:51] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[16:51] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry, no meeting in progress.
[16:51] <Squirm> lol
[16:51] <nuvolari> clever bot
[16:52] <nuvolari> Squirm: are you going to study it full-time?
[16:52] <Squirm> nuvolari: no
[16:52] <Squirm> I have my RHCSA exam on Friday
[16:52] <Squirm> so hopefully that will help for my LPICs
[16:52] <Squirm> and hopefully my LPICs will help for my RHCE I want to do next year
[16:53] <nuvolari> whoa! awesome :D
[16:53] <Squirm> I don't know
[16:53] <Squirm> that's if I pass
[16:54]  * nuvolari was at a split in the road between development or linux
[16:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for nuvolari and Squirm!
[16:55] <Squirm> yeee
[16:55] <Squirm> thanks Maaz
[16:55]  * Squirm sips
[16:55] <nuvolari> thanks Maaz
[16:55] <nuvolari> Maaz: botsnack
[16:55] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[16:55] <Squirm> nuvolari: yeah, I'm not a big dev fan
[16:56] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA
[16:56] <nuvolari> I am :P
[16:56] <nuvolari> welcome HawkiesZA
[16:56] <Squirm> hello HawkiesZA
[16:57] <HawkiesZA> Evening ya'll
[16:58] <Kilos> i go have supper quick guys
[16:58] <Squirm> enjoy
[17:03] <nuvolari> Squirm: when you're around ballito again, there is one shop you have to buy biltong from
[17:03] <Squirm> nuvolari: I can make my own biltong :P
[17:04] <nuvolari> ok, when you get the urge to buy someone else's biltong :P
[17:05] <Squirm> actually
[17:05] <Squirm> I lie
[17:05] <Squirm> I was in Ballito in April
[17:05] <Squirm> stopped at the Lifestyle centre :P
[17:05] <nuvolari> heh
[17:05] <nuvolari> close enough
[17:07] <Squirm> lol
[17:17] <Kilos> sigh
[17:17] <Kilos> tummy full eyes pulling closed
[17:20]  * nuvolari voel nou so
[17:20] <nuvolari> klein hondjie sindroom
[17:20] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <queery> i sorry not staying long
[17:22] <queery> will be late for meeting
[17:22] <Kilos> why queery
[17:22] <Kilos> hi there
[17:22] <nuvolari> hello hi
[17:23] <nuvolari> welcome queery, jrgns
[17:23] <jrgns> hi all
[17:23] <bakuman> ai queery, te haastig
[17:23] <queery> still driving and phone dying
[17:23] <jrgns> i might drop off early
[17:23] <Kilos> eish queery bad planning
[17:23] <Kilos> keep n phone charger in the car
[17:23] <queery> driving to quaqua tomorrow
[17:23] <nuvolari> queery: then put down your phone and arrive rather than be the dying one in your circumstances :P
[17:23] <queery> dont have one
[17:24] <queery> im on 0km/h at the moment...
[17:24] <nuvolari> ah
[17:24] <Kilos> haha
[17:24] <nuvolari> then you aren't going anywhere
[17:25] <nuvolari> 0km/h in which direction?
[17:25] <Kilos> anyway thanks for letting us know queery
[17:25] <nuvolari> I bet you're always travelling downwards
[17:25] <Kilos> maybe just login when we start
[17:25] <Kilos> 5 mins
[17:26] <Kilos> jrgns, gonna be a short meet where you going?
[17:26] <jrgns> wife's coming home :P
[17:26] <Kilos> ah
[17:26] <smile> jrgns: so you're leaving :p
[17:26] <nuvolari> it's not like we're sharing pr0n links
[17:26] <jrgns> lol
[17:26] <Kilos> let her sit on your lap by the pc
[17:26] <Kilos> hehe
[17:26] <jrgns> dude
[17:26] <jrgns> lol
[17:26] <Kilos> lol
[17:27] <jrgns> she doesn't like sharing me with the computer
[17:27] <nuvolari> then get her a computer too
[17:27] <Kilos> yeah they dont
[17:27] <jrgns> she has one, but doesn't like it. i even got her a pink one, doesn't help
[17:27] <nuvolari> :-/
[17:27] <Kilos> nuvolari, het jy al gekyk of Maaz jou like
[17:27] <nuvolari> nee noggie oom
[17:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:28] <Kilos> check gou seun
[17:28] <nuvolari> hoe nou weer oom?
[17:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: jump
[17:28] <Maaz> How high?
[17:28] <Kilos> lol
[17:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: so high
[17:28] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[17:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: you're excused
[17:28] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[17:28] <nuvolari> oh, she's a female
[17:28]  * nuvolari blinks back
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz, are you female
[17:29] <Maaz> Come on, be realistic. I'm a Bot
[17:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: are you a female bot?
[17:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[17:29] <nuvolari> :O
[17:29] <nuvolari> tranny?
[17:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: we still love you
[17:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[17:30] <Kilos> nuvolari, probeer iets wat jy in die meet moet gebruik en sien of hy luister
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting
[17:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:30] <Kilos> yay
[17:30] <nuvolari> yup. dit werk :>
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: Alrighty
[17:30] <nuvolari> Howdy everyone
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[17:30] <nuvolari> welcome to tonight's meeting
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[17:30] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[17:30] <nuvolari> we're not that high in numbers, but we are here
[17:30] <nuvolari> we are sparta!
[17:31] <nuvolari> :P
[17:31] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:31] <Maaz> superfly: Done
[17:31] <Kilos> bakuman, Banlam login
[17:31] <Kilos> hi superfly
[17:31] <nuvolari> There isn't much planned for the meeting, so I guess tonight will be a quick meeting (depending on surprises)
[17:32] <Kilos> Trixar_za, come on login
[17:32] <nuvolari> welcome superfly :>
[17:32] <Trixar_za> Login?
[17:32] <nuvolari> oh dear
[17:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic 1. Welcoming and introduction
[17:32] <Maaz> Current Topic: 1. Welcoming and introduction
[17:32] <nuvolari> we're acutally kind of past point 1 :P
[17:33] <nuvolari> Trixar_za: introduce yourself to Maaz
[17:33] <nuvolari> if you want to
[17:33] <jrgns> Maaz: I am Jurgens du Toit
[17:33] <Maaz> jrgns: Sure
[17:33] <HawkiesZA> Maaz: I am Gerrit Vermeulen
[17:33] <Maaz> HawkiesZA: Yessir
[17:33] <Kilos>  just type maaz i am full name Trixar_za
[17:33] <superfly> Kilos: it's not logging in, it more like signing a register
[17:34] <Kilos> sorry
[17:34] <Trixar_za> Maaz: I am Brenton Scott
[17:34] <Maaz> Trixar_za: Okay
[17:34] <bakuman> Maaz, i am Jedri Visser
[17:34] <Maaz> bakuman: Righto
[17:34] <nuvolari> roukol - I don't know the english for that
[17:34] <Trixar_za> Not my full name, because it's Brenton Edgar Scott and that's a little long
[17:34] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic 2. Review previous minutes
[17:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: 2. Review previous minutes
[17:34] <Kilos> lol like saying sign the register
[17:34] <nuvolari> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/16/%23ubuntu-za.html#t17:30
[17:35] <nuvolari> where's not_found?
[17:35] <plustwo> Maaz: I am Oupa Mokhine
[17:35] <Maaz> plustwo: Alrighty
[17:35] <nuvolari> he's missing out tonight
[17:36] <Kilos> yeah he said he would be here
[17:36] <nuvolari> alternatively, the txt log: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/16/%23ubuntu-za.txt
[17:36] <nuvolari> ah
[17:36]  * nlsthzn is late... sorry
[17:36] <Kilos> welcome nlsthzn
[17:36] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: we were just talking about you
[17:36] <nlsthzn> lol
[17:36] <nuvolari> all good things
[17:36] <kbmonkey> hello all! o/
[17:36] <nuvolari> don't worry
[17:36] <nlsthzn> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:36] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Alrighty
[17:36] <nlsthzn> ;)
[17:36] <nuvolari> apie is hier!
[17:37] <nuvolari> lo kbmonkey
[17:37] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey sign in please
[17:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[17:37] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Righto
[17:37] <nuvolari> Kilos: sign attendance :P
[17:37] <Kilos> that thing ya
[17:37] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, :)
[17:38] <nuvolari> does anyone want to bring up something from the last meeting?
[17:38] <Kilos> nice to see you again kbmonkey
[17:39] <nuvolari> no?
[17:39] <nuvolari> ok
[17:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic 3. Administrativia & Announcements
[17:39] <Maaz> Current Topic: 3. Administrativia & Announcements
[17:39] <kbmonkey> thankyou Kilos. thanks for the reminder mail
[17:40] <Kilos> anytime
[17:40] <nuvolari> There's nothing administrative that I'm aware of
[17:40] <nuvolari> everything seems to be hunky dory
[17:41]  * nuvolari is bad at monologues
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe
[17:42] <Kilos> superfly, anything to add?
[17:42] <nlsthzn> I am responsible for "reporting"
[17:42] <nlsthzn> so I added the last meeting and sent out one e-mail...
[17:42] <Kilos> gonna be an easy one nlsthzn
[17:42] <nlsthzn> not sure what else I was to do
[17:42] <nuvolari> I think that's covering the bases?
[17:42] <Kilos> no one has had UH or anythint
[17:42] <Kilos> g
[17:43] <nuvolari> as long as we do not not do it
[17:43] <nlsthzn> k... just don't want to drop the ball and miss anything and make us look bad :p
[17:44] <nuvolari> Maaz: accepted nlsthzn is doing well
[17:44] <Maaz> Accepted: nlsthzn is doing well
[17:44] <Kilos> we can never look bad, we too cute
[17:44] <nuvolari> ack. with the reporting...
[17:44] <nuvolari> :P
[17:45] <nlsthzn> thx nuvolari , lol @ Kilos
[17:45] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn
[17:45]  * jrgns drops off. Thanx all
[17:45] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic 4. Events
[17:45] <Maaz> Current Topic: 4. Events
[17:45] <nlsthzn> I saw there was a call for some Jams again...
[17:46] <nuvolari> Right, the windy month is here and everything seems blown topsy turvy, but if there's a jam or 2 tha would be good
[17:46] <nlsthzn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/
[17:47] <nuvolari> I know the durban people are discussing a Raspberry-Jam
[17:47] <nlsthzn> and pi?
[17:47] <nuvolari> lol
[17:47] <nuvolari> yeah
[17:47] <kbmonkey> i'm back, ssh hung :p
[17:47] <nlsthzn> awesome
[17:47] <nlsthzn> wb kb
[17:47] <nlsthzn> wb kbmonkey
[17:48] <nuvolari> I'm not into the Raspberry thing yet, but I've seen an awesome post on google+
[17:48] <nuvolari> let me try to find it
[17:48] <nuvolari> hi magespawn
[17:48] <nuvolari> welcome
[17:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:49] <nlsthzn> o/ magespawn
[17:49] <Kilos> tell the bot your here
[17:49] <superfly> sorry Kilos busy making and eating supper
[17:49] <Kilos> np superfly
[17:49] <nlsthzn> o/ superfly
[17:49] <magespawn> Howdy
[17:49] <nuvolari> here we go: http://www.pcworld.com/article/260966/this_raspberry_pi_camera_grip_turns_your_dslr_into_a_smart_camera.html
[17:49]  * magespawn waves tp the room o/
[17:50] <Kilos> magespawn, sing in with maaz
[17:50] <kbmonkey> the Pi looks like a fun project
[17:50] <Kilos> sign
[17:50] <nuvolari> I think that's a very cool thing to do and the new features! I can only imagine
[17:50] <nuvolari> hi mazal
[17:50] <mazal> Evening all
[17:50] <Kilos> hi mazal
[17:51] <nuvolari> ah, it's called the Camera Pi
[17:51] <plustwo> o/ mazal
[17:51] <mazal> It's meeting yes ?
[17:51] <Kilos> yes mazal  sign in with maaz
[17:51] <nuvolari> mazal: affirmative
[17:51] <mazal> Maaz, I am Wikus van Dyk
[17:51] <Maaz> mazal: Righto
[17:52] <nuvolari> hmm, events topic is flatlining this month
[17:52] <Kilos> yip everyone just too busy
[17:52] <nlsthzn> busy time of year?
[17:52] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[17:52] <Maaz> magespawn: Sure
[17:53] <nuvolari> Any last words, thoughts, wishes before we move to electing the next meeting chair and closing?
[17:53] <Trixar_za> I vote for nuvolari as next chair
[17:53] <Trixar_za> :P
[17:53]  * Trixar_za runs
[17:54] <mazal> Done already :-(
[17:54] <queery> hi
[17:54] <nuvolari> why are you running away like a li'l girl Trixar_za? :P
[17:54] <queery> maaz i am dewald
[17:54] <Maaz> queery: Done
[17:54]  * nlsthzn might be able to stay awake @ work tomorrow :)
[17:54] <nuvolari> mazal: yeah :-/ there wasn't much on the agenda and everyone seems busy this month
[17:54] <queery> ok my adsl is not working so im on my phone, sorry for any delay
[17:54] <mazal> k
[17:55] <nuvolari> mazal: except if you have something exciting? :D
[17:55] <magespawn> Strange but seems to be a busy time ofnye
[17:55] <Kilos> np queery
[17:55] <nlsthzn> o/ queery / mazal
[17:55] <Kilos> ty for coming back
[17:55] <magespawn> Of year even
[17:55] <mazal> Not for the meeting no
[17:55] <nuvolari> we're open for any last topics
[17:55] <nlsthzn> so no other Jams :/
[17:55] <mazal> But I do have an interesting stat
[17:55] <queery> ubuntu hour
[17:56] <queery> we had one and it was fun
[17:56] <nuvolari> good :> we're still on events
[17:56]  * nlsthzn just remembers reading about it *face-palm* it wasn't added to the report (or it still needs to be added in any event)
[17:56] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, how bout an impromptu ubuntu hour this weekend? :D
[17:57] <nlsthzn> queery, link with photo's ... I think Maia posted a blog post yes?
[17:57] <Kilos> aw queery did you guys get picks
[17:57] <nuvolari> queery: growing in numbers, or not yet?
[17:57] <kbmonkey> is the meeting over? my ssh keeps lagging too badly
[17:57] <queery> she did
[17:57] <Kilos> and you can report on it to nlsthzn
[17:57] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I don't have anything planned and it's a good weekend
[17:57] <nlsthzn> queery, thanks... will add it etc. within the next week (first some sleep and work)
[17:57] <queery> we had 2extra
[17:57] <nuvolari> except for saSaturday morning
[17:57] <nuvolari> *saturday
[17:58] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I'm in if you're in
[17:58] <nuvolari> should contact the others too
[17:58] <Kilos> nuvolari, try get william invloved
[17:58] <nuvolari> it seems that this way is the only way we ever get anything done :P
[17:58] <kbmonkey> okay, i'm in. yey.
[17:59] <nuvolari> Kilos: he's always up for it oom! it's us young ones that can't get around
[17:59] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: gateway, durbs?
[17:59] <Kilos> good to here
[17:59] <Trixar_za> bbl - Amazing Race time
[17:59] <Kilos> hear as well
[17:59] <queery> now how do you test a telefone line withpoit a phone
[17:59] <Trixar_za> Somehow I'm only addicted to it and Survivor
[17:59] <Trixar_za> everything else sucks
[17:59] <Kilos> queery, just push the wires in the 220
[18:00] <nlsthzn> >.<
[18:00] <Kilos> they will come see what happened soon and fix it
[18:00] <nuvolari> queery: depends on what kind of testing it needs :P (as long as an actual connection isn't required)
[18:01] <nuvolari> magespawn: you're not around this weekend are you?
[18:01] <queery> i just want tot know if there is a dial tone
[18:02] <Kilos> Trix[a]r_za, record it
[18:02] <magespawn> I do have to come down to Durbs, but was going to be on Wednesday
[18:02] <queery> its not the isp it has to be hellkom
[18:02]  * nlsthzn was wondering if any of the IRC lurkers wouldn't mind lurking in #ubuntu-ae cause we are struggling to build critical mass for technical help (even if it just points people to #ubuntu-beginners or #ubuntu)
[18:02] <Kilos> when nlsthzn
[18:03] <Kilos> all the time
[18:03] <Kilos> ?
[18:03] <nlsthzn> basically... when ever on IRC
[18:03] <magespawn> nuvolari I will let you know if that changes
[18:03] <mazal> What's the ae stand for ?
[18:03] <nlsthzn> United Arab Emirates
[18:03] <nuvolari> magespawn: ok good
[18:03] <nlsthzn> building up and sustaining a LoCo is hard work :/
[18:03] <kbmonkey> gateway is fine, we can even to umdloti (some cafes by the seaside)
[18:03] <nuvolari> noooo
[18:04] <nuvolari> the netz are broken!
[18:04] <kbmonkey> do you need manouvoureability, nuvolari
[18:04] <nuvolari> what do you mean by that kbmonkey ?
[18:04] <nuvolari> I like the idea of umdloti
[18:05] <nuvolari> been there once only
[18:05] <kbmonkey> oh i mean, you have a car to get around nuvolari :)
[18:06] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: oh ya, I'm good on that part :>
[18:06] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[18:06] <magespawn> Did not even see myself go lol
[18:06] <Kilos> nuvolari, move on if there no more events
[18:07] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic 5. Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:07] <Maaz> Current Topic: 5. Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:07] <nlsthzn> +1 for nuvolari
[18:07] <Kilos> nuvolari, ++
[18:07] <nlsthzn> ;)
[18:07] <mazal> +++
[18:07] <nuvolari> righto, ok, I'm up for it :)
[18:07] <Kilos> ty
[18:07] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[18:07] <Kilos> hehe
[18:07] <nuvolari> what's the date, the 2nd last monday?
[18:08] <nuvolari> whoa! deja-vu
[18:08] <Kilos> good connection you have there
[18:08] <magespawn> Lol
[18:08] <Kilos> 17th
[18:08] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed next meeting chair nuvolari
[18:08] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting chair nuvolari
[18:08] <kbmonkey> I think nuvolari does a good job, thanks buddy XD
[18:08] <nlsthzn> +1
[18:08] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed next meeting date September 17, 2012
[18:08] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting date September 17, 2012
[18:08] <Kilos> not second last either
[18:09] <magespawn> Thats a glich in the matrix, they have changed something
[18:09] <bakuman> oh no!
[18:09] <nuvolari> wait, what did I miss?
[18:09] <Kilos> what bakuman ?
[18:10] <bakuman> a glitch in the matrix is always bad
[18:10] <magespawn>  [20:07] (nuvolari) whoa! deja-vu
[18:10] <nlsthzn> Gangnam Style?!
[18:10] <Kilos> hehe
[18:10] <magespawn>  [20:09] (magespawn) Thats a glich in the matrix, they have changed something
[18:10] <nuvolari> lol
[18:11] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic 6. Closing
[18:11] <Maaz> Current Topic: 6. Closing
[18:11] <nuvolari> So, that was that for tonight
[18:11] <nuvolari> thanks for attending everyone
[18:11] <Kilos> ty nuvolari  went smoothly
[18:11] <nlsthzn> thanks guys
[18:11] <nlsthzn> have an awesome month :)
[18:11] <nlsthzn> oh and don't forget - http://youtu.be/9bZkp7q19f0
[18:11] <Kilos> ty all attendees
[18:11] <nuvolari> Not as exciting as the last 2 times, but not dull either!
[18:12] <nuvolari> Be good in the community and practice Ubuntu to your fellow users :)
[18:12]  * nlsthzn goes for a shower and bed... good night ZA land... \m/ rock on...
[18:12] <mazal> Thanks all
[18:12] <mazal> Sleep well
[18:12] <Kilos> nuvolari, do you guys see the message from christel?
[18:12] <mazal> God bless
[18:13] <nuvolari> We'll see veeryone at the next meeting! Thanks for attending again!
[18:13] <Kilos> night nlsthzn
[18:13] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:13] <kbmonkey> gn nls	!
[18:13] <Kilos> nuvolari,  have you closed
[18:13] <nuvolari> not yet oom
[18:13] <nuvolari> night nlsthzn
[18:14] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[18:14] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:14] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-08-20-17-30-06.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-08-20-17-30-06.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-08-20-17-30-06.html
[18:14] <Kilos> kbmonkey,
[18:14] <Kilos> we gotta work a way around them blocking irc
[18:14] <nuvolari> who's blocking IRC oom Kilos ?
[18:14] <Kilos> cant you use the fox
[18:14] <magespawn> kbmonkey did you put up that github or bazaar repo?
[18:14] <Kilos> from his work
[18:15] <nuvolari> :O serious? kbmonkey ?
[18:15] <bakuman> just forward to another port Oom Kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> tell kbmonkey bakuman
[18:16] <Kilos> thats his excuse for ignoring us for a month
[18:16]  * Kilos ducks
[18:16] <bakuman> lol
[18:17] <Kilos> kbmonkey, coowee
[18:18] <kbmonkey> hi hi, soz, this 3g is making me mad tonight XD
[18:18] <nuvolari> he's treating oom Kilos like a stop sign
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: convert to 8ta and your soul will be less troubled
[18:18] <Kilos> kbmonkey, where is the bot script
[18:18] <nuvolari> what ore you using btw? :P
[18:18] <Kilos> yeah kbmonkey 8ta rocks
[18:19] <kbmonkey> do you mean that bot script magespawn ?
[18:19] <nuvolari> *are
[18:19] <magespawn> Yes
[18:19] <kbmonkey> the ibid greeter plugin script is on my pc in pmb, I *still* haven't been back to copy it :p I know, I'm terrible
[18:20] <Kilos> lol
[18:20] <Kilos> you telling us
[18:20] <magespawn> No worries
[18:20] <Kilos> too lekker in durbs
[18:21] <kbmonkey> work is at a financial institution, they block ssh which I can use to irc. silly work.
[18:21] <Kilos> kbmonkey, is there no workaround?
[18:21] <queery> bye all
[18:21] <superfly> some IRC networks have port 80 open
[18:22] <kbmonkey> bye queery
[18:22] <Kilos> toods queery
[18:22] <Squirm> kbmonkey: how do they block it?
[18:23] <kbmonkey> that place is locked down. even the users cannot browse the net. only like management can. go figure ;)
[18:23] <nuvolari> oh oh! anyone using chrome/chromium: black menu chrome extension
[18:23] <nuvolari> provides access to all/most of google's services via a menu
[18:23] <Squirm> nuvolari: will have a look
[18:24] <kbmonkey> oooh really? will check it out nuvolari :)
[18:24] <nuvolari> I just need to keep on reminding myself to use it
[18:24] <nuvolari> :P
[18:25] <kbmonkey> oh for anyone using ssh, looksey at this adaptation. going to try it out. for slow connecctions ;) http://mosh.mit.edu/
[18:27] <Kilos> nuvolari, het die pc a wireless ding in
[18:27] <nuvolari> Kilos: nee oom, hy's nie so smart nie
[18:28] <Kilos> ek sien partykeer in nm dit se connected 7 mins ago
[18:28] <nuvolari> o.O
[18:28] <Kilos> kort dit nie net die antenna nie
[18:28] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, will chat on email about UH. sal William ook saamnooi + anyone else
[18:29] <Kilos> kbmonkey, do me a favour
[18:29] <Kilos> find out from william why he dont come on here
[18:29] <Kilos> i cant figure peeps
[18:30] <kbmonkey> Squirm, I guess it's a firewall block. But not the kind of place I can just ask to open up a port.
[18:30] <kbmonkey> sure thing @kilos
[18:30] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: cool! will see you on the lists!
[18:30] <Kilos> and any other ubuntu users that dont use irc
[18:30] <Kilos> ty
[18:31] <smile> bye :)
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight smile
[18:32] <magespawn> kbmonkey  the tor?
[18:32] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ty for joining us tonight
[18:32] <kbmonkey> :]
[18:32] <smile> thanks Kilos :)
[18:33] <Kilos> yay
[18:33] <Kilos> net unslpit
[18:33] <Kilos> whew
[18:33] <Kilos> unsplit
[18:34] <kbmonkey> tor magespawn ? the anonymizer network?
[18:34] <magespawn> Yup that might work
[18:34] <Kilos> a tor is a beatle/bug kinda thing
[18:36] <Kilos> hi acherv
[18:36] <acherv> hi Kilos
[18:36] <acherv> hi @all
[18:36] <magespawn> O/ acherv
[18:37] <kbmonkey> thanks nuvolari  for the chair.
[18:37] <acherv> i'am late
[18:37] <acherv> can i have a log?
[18:37] <Kilos> acherv, rather
[18:38] <Kilos> magespawn, how we read logs
[18:38] <Squirm> kbmonkey: sorry
[18:38] <Squirm> maybe you can tunnel out?
[18:38] <kbmonkey> sorry to <3 you # and leave you. saying cheers for now. be back tomorrow even
[18:38] <acherv> the link ?
[18:38] <Kilos> toods kbmonkey keep well laddy
[18:38] <Squirm> get a server that listens on port 80
[18:39] <Squirm> you can't exactly tunnel past a proxy
[18:39] <kbmonkey> nope. all is blocked cept port 80. is okay, ill investigate the networks further...
[18:39] <Kilos> acherv, i dunno but someone will give it now
[18:39] <Squirm> unless it's transparent
[18:39] <Kilos> nuvolari, how do we get to our logs
[18:39] <acherv> tthx
[18:39] <Squirm> kbmonkey: that's what I'm saying. tunnel through port 80
[18:39] <magespawn>  [20:14] (Maaz) Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-08-20-17-30-06.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-08-20-17-30-06.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-08-20-17-30-06.html
[18:39] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[18:40] <magespawn> [20:07] ** Topic: Ubuntu South Africa http://ubuntu-za.org || MMList: http://bit.ly/MCOujZ || PBin: http://paste.ubuntu.com || Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com || Next Meeting: Mon, 20 Aug 19:30, Agenda: http://bit.ly/LqWDYY || Twitter: https://twitter.com/ubuntuza
[18:40] <kbmonkey> indeed. thanks Squirm :)
[18:42]  * acherv like to know the topic maybe
[18:42] <acherv> magespawn: thx
[18:42] <magespawn> Np
[18:46] <Kilos> acherv, you been here before?
[18:47] <acherv> no
[18:47] <Kilos> welcome to ubunt-za then
[18:47] <acherv> it's my first time
[18:47] <Kilos> ubuntu-za
[18:47] <acherv> i'm a newcommer
[18:47] <acherv> yep
[18:47] <Kilos> do you use ubuntu?
[18:47] <acherv> of course
[18:47] <Kilos> nice to see new faces here
[18:48] <acherv> pleasure
[18:48] <Kilos> where is za are you?
[18:50] <Kilos> *in
[18:53] <Kilos> acherv, ^^
[18:53] <acherv> joburg
[18:53] <acherv> abd U?
[18:54] <Kilos> ptown
[18:54] <acherv> ptown?
[18:54] <Kilos> pta
[18:54] <acherv> ook
[18:54] <Kilos> there quite a few of our guys there
[19:05] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[19:37] <magespawn> Night all
[19:57] <nuvolari> I'm out
[19:57] <nuvolari> 'night
[20:27] <Squirm> night nuvolari
[20:34] <Squirm> oh, that was 30min ago:P
[20:36]  * zeref :YawwwwnnnnNs:
[20:36] <Squirm> zeref: much luck with the comression issue?
[20:36] <Squirm> compression*
[20:36] <Squirm> my spelling has gone to the dogs tonight
[20:38] <zeref> yeah, got th cd. tried first my removing that dubious bptfz file, rebooted. BSOD
[20:39] <zeref> so friend just asked to fresh install
[20:39] <zeref> s/to/for/
[20:40] <Squirm> should have just tried a repair
[20:42] <zeref> yeah, i gave him that option
[20:43] <zeref> but he said clean install would remove the viruses :P
[20:43] <zeref> should have asked: "what are viruses?" ;)
[20:45] <Squirm> mkay
[20:46] <Squirm> well, I'm off
[20:46] <zeref> cheers
[22:30] <zeref> hmmm, whats that site called were you can get involved in fixing bugs?


[07:52] <Phoenixxl> Today , the intodution of kernel 3.10 as default in saucy broke iscsitarget-dkms . I added a bug report on launchpad.. was that the right place ? Or should I report this somewhere else too ?
[07:54] <Phoenixxl> reinstall : http://pastebin.com/dGM5KUms
[07:56] <Phoenixxl> make.log : http://pastebin.com/e60KABi6
[08:05] <ikonia> Phoenixxl: launchpad is the right place.
[08:22] <Phoenixxl> ikonia, thnx
[08:28] <Phoenixxl> though I doubt it has to do with anything else , maybe I should ask someone here to duplicate it as well to be sure?
[08:28] <ikonia> don't see why
[08:28] <Phoenixxl> ok
[08:45] <Phoenixxl> I'm just worried this will be one of those things that drags on like xtables-addons which was broken in 12.10 and 13.04 .Also iscsitarget-dms isn't installed by default when installing iscsitarget (for some reason) so someone doing a quick check if packages install correctly will not notice it. Still , iscsitarget is probably used a lot more than xtables-addons ...
[10:12] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:12] <genii> nvidia 313 breakage with kernel 3.10
[15:13] <high-rez> Is there a plan for 13.10 to include a lib mesa that supports radeon uvd/vdpau?  Or some way to make use of it without compiling or installing a ppa at this time?
[15:55] <genii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-313-updates/+bug/1195667 ... I confirmed and added my console output to the report
[18:53] <bazhang> !info linux
[18:53] <bazhang> !info linux saucy
[19:11] <shadows> bazhang: latest (that I know about) it is based on 3.10-rc7
[19:11] <shadows> bazhang: I am wrong.  I should say 3.10-rc6 is correct
[19:11] <bazhang> shadows, thanks, much appreciated
[19:12] <bazhang> someone was running 10.04 with 3.11 or the like
[19:32] <genii> The !info default in here should be 13.10 ...
[19:33] <BluesKaj> yeah the Topic is definitely outdated
[19:34] <BluesKaj> ok , BBL
[19:35] <genii> !schedule
[21:56] <taoseeker> booted from ubuntu-testing?


[00:00] <i1> I wonder if it is hard ware failures, graphic driver issues,
[00:00] <i1> I have no idea really
[00:00] <wxl> it is
[00:00] <i1> it boots fin in xp recovery cd
[00:01] <wxl> add nomodeset to grub
[00:02] <i1> hm, how?
[00:02] <i1> I get a second or so of the lubuntu boot up logo, but then turn white
[00:03] <wxl> bah and what sucks is that i'm normally on ppc which has a totally different bootloader and my virtual machine is funky in startup and doesn't show jack
[00:03] <i1> I googled white screen on the Ubuntu forum, and I am not the only one who has ever got it
[00:03] <wxl> i'm thinking that you hit shift right after bios
[00:03] <i1> but can't find any explanations or solutions,
[00:03] <i1> oh I see
[00:04] <wxl> ohhhh
[00:05] <wxl> you might try to <Ctrl><Alt><F1> and see if you can get to the virtual console
[00:05] <wxl> here's some goood stuff for you
[00:05] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1743535
[00:06] <wxl> scroll down to the "troubleshooting flow chart" and have at it
[00:06] <i1> console is a bit scary
[00:06] <wxl> do not fear
[00:07] <i1> thanks
[00:07] <i1> great
[00:08] <wxl> you can't break the live cd for example ;)
[00:08] <i1> the odd this is that puppy linux manages to boot fine,
[00:08] <i1> but has major issues with fan control and heating
[00:08] <wxl> i don't know if it's clear but the live cd loads your operating sysetm into ram.. so you can edit files and such but the second you shutdown/reboot those changes disappear
[00:09]  * wxl is not a huge fan of puppy
[00:09] <i1> yeah, it is a bit flimsy
[00:09] <wxl> lubuntu is very solid
[00:09] <wxl> i must admit lubuntu is not 100% on my ppc machine but ppc's aren't officially supported, so i figure it's doing a pretty darn good job
[00:10] <wxl> (and i'm working on trying to figure out how to tweak it in the meanwhile0 :D
[00:10] <i1> yes, it is very hard ware dependent
[00:11] <i1> on some laptops lubuntu slides on and works straight away
[00:11] <wxl> many/most i'd say
[00:11] <wxl> i need some sdram for this thinkpad i have so i can see how it goes on there
[00:12] <i1> except a fujitsu I have. Some have linux fine on fujitsus
[00:12] <i1> 11.10 goes very nice on a HP
[00:12] <i1> even ubuntu does
[00:13] <i1> I never tired 11.04, but the previous one never manage to boot the live cd
[00:13] <wxl> yeah i had some problems when it first came out
[00:13] <i1> my point is; I have bumped in to strange problems
[00:13] <wxl> they're always there to some degree or another
[00:14] <i1> it was the same with all the butus, on the HP laptop
[00:15] <i1> it is about 4 years now I think, so hard ware getting older
[00:15] <wxl> i'm excited to have it go so easily on my powerbook :D
[00:15] <i1> a mac?
[00:15] <wxl> i have a g3 powerbook that is proving to be a bit more of a problem but i think that's more of the computer's fault
[00:15] <wxl> yep
[00:15] <wxl> a ppc too.. no intel
[00:16] <i1> some apple computers have some linux issues,
[00:16] <wxl> the old world macs like the g3s are quite difficult
[00:16] <wxl> mine needs a firmware upgrade
[00:16] <wxl> which is NOT a linux problem
[00:16] <i1> the white and black smaller ibooks or what ever they are called takes buntus fine it seems
[00:16] <wxl> but the g4 was easy
[00:17] <i1> I see
[00:17] <wxl> processor runs a little hot in lubuntu. not in mintppc. trying to dissect that..
[00:17] <i1> I am looking for a used mac to play around wiht
[00:17] <wxl> if it's an intel you should be ok
[00:17] <i1> I'm not willing to pay much, you sort of loose all point in upgrading and fixing up
[00:18] <wxl> ppc's will make you work for it :D
[00:18] <i1> might as well get a new one then
[00:18] <wxl> if you want os x tho, meh
[00:18] <wxl> it's just a really messed up bsd with a fancy desktop environment
[00:18] <i1> I'm not that familiar with os x. can you get it back if you install lubuntu?
[00:20] <wxl> from what i understand, you ideally need to install os x, then split your partition, make sure the 2nd one ISN'T hfs journaled (hfs+) and then you can install lubuntu on it
[00:20] <wxl> i've heard that putting os x on there afterwards might not be so easy
[00:21] <wxl> i haven't tried
[00:21] <wxl> i was thinking i might have to add os x back for a certain app i liked but i think i finally found a good linux solution
[00:21] <wxl> possibly a better one
[00:21] <wxl> tho naturally it's got a steeper learning curve ;)
[00:21] <wxl> but that's part of the fun with linux, i think
[00:21] <i1> I have worked on apple computers, but never installed or done too much tweaking of the soft ware
[00:21] <i1> I burned free bsd
[00:21] <i1> just to see how it works
[00:21] <i1> it does seem to be recommended for servers mostly
[00:22] <i1> yes, I suppose it does
[00:22] <wxl> bsd is ok
[00:22] <wxl> i kind of grew up on bsd, dos and.. ummm cp/m
[00:23] <i1> I don't do too much really, I mean, if some mentions compiling I am blanc
[00:23] <i1> I mostly used windows, ever, until the last few years
[00:23] <wxl> first time i seriously installed linux it was slackware on an old thinkpad laptop
[00:23] <wxl> that was pretty hardcore.. wasn't a lot of support for linux on laptops at the time
[00:24] <wxl> it was basically roll your own kernel
[00:24] <wxl> so compiling is no big dela
[00:26] <i1> it's fun when you can make old laptops run like new again almost
[00:26] <wxl> i think it's fantastic
[00:26] <i1> with 512 RAM lubuntu is fast. Windows 7 hardly at all
[00:27] <wxl> windows 7 is ridiculous
[00:27] <i1> I had to order a new cpu for my laptop
[00:27] <i1> I got a faster and better one, even lower consumption and heat
[00:28] <i1> yes, at least for older hardware
[00:28] <i1> I had windows 7 on 1GB and 1.5 celeron cpu, and it was all fine
[00:28] <i1> so it's not that bad
[00:29] <i1> the atom cpus are quite good,
[00:29] <i1> trouble with laptops they don't easily adapt to different cpus
[00:30] <wxl> they don't adapt to much
[00:31] <i1> it's a shame, they should provide gpu and cpu with sockets commonly available
[00:31] <wxl> yeah
[00:31] <wxl> well that and hardware should be equally open source
[00:32] <i1> yes, that is why apple computers are as good as they are
[00:32] <wxl> i'm proud to be using a recycled old laptop with free (as in speech) software on it for this experimental music project i do, but am bummed the hardware isn't equally as free
[00:32] <wxl> of course there's no laptop that is
[00:32] <i1> the get access to all info needed to make good drivers
[00:33] <wxl> apple is proprietary as hell unfortunately
[00:33] <i1> which is silly in many cases
[00:34] <i1> when it is intel through and through, except plastic casing, why make it that difficult?
[00:34] <i1> I have seen XP installed on some ibooks
[00:35] <i1> ran all fine
[00:35] <wxl> hm that's curious
[00:36] <i1> I suspect it must have been built on intel hard ware and commonly available parts
[00:36] <i1> my fathers new mac came with the possibility to have windows as dual boot
[00:37] <wxl> yeah with intel no prob
[00:38] <i1> it's the top model in the imac range
[00:38] <i1> bought this summer
[00:38] <i1> it's really nice
[00:39] <wxl> we have an imac at home
[00:40] <wxl> my wife insisted on the damn thing :D
[00:40] <wxl> it's really a good machine tho
[00:40] <i1> hi hi
[00:40] <wxl> i've got windows 7 and lubuntu virtual machines on it
[00:40] <wxl> the former for those rare cases that i need it and the latter.... so i feel at home ;)
[00:40] <i1> the screen is really nice and it is very tidy with no wires at all
[00:40] <wxl> yeah it's a good design
[00:41] <wxl> i LOVE the mouse
[00:41] <i1> looks very cool
[00:41] <i1> keyboard too, the minimal white one
[00:41] <i1> white aluminum
[00:42] <i1> I'm not yet used to the mouse
[00:42] <wxl> the keyboard is a bit limited
[00:42] <i1> I keep doing all kinds of stuff involuntarily
[00:42] <i1> and all the mac key combos are not the same
[00:43] <i1> I keep closing the browser window
[00:43] <i1> it suddenly shwooops up in the left corner
[00:44] <i1> I blame the mouse
[00:44] <i1> the ibooks are not like that lol
[00:45] <wxl> ⌘W is close
[00:45] <wxl> oh you're talking abotu the mouse
[00:45] <wxl> duh duh duh
[00:46] <i1> both really
[00:46] <i1> ; )
[00:46] <i1> key combos and mouse
[00:46] <i1> I discoved the ctrl alt  function is the key next to tab
[00:46] <i1> no space I mean
[00:46] <i1> the thumb-key
[00:47] <wxl> yep
[00:58] <i1> have a good night
[01:01] <wxl> u2
[01:02] <aedmark> Hi all. anyone available to help me with a wireless driver issue?
[01:05] <wxl> what up?
[01:07] <wxl> aedmark: ?
[01:08] <aedmark> I was wondering where I could get my hands on some drivers for a broadcom integrated wireless card
[01:09] <wxl> which card?
[01:09] <aedmark> lubuntu doesn't seem to have installed them, I'm assuming because they are proprietary.
[01:09] <aedmark> hmmm
[01:09] <aedmark> that's a good question
[01:10] <wxl> lspci -vnn | grep 14e4
[01:10] <wxl> Ignore everything, except the last part inside of the [ ]
[01:11] <aedmark> AirForce One 54g
[01:11] <wxl> ^^^^^^^^
[01:11] <aedmark> That is what is in the brackets, good sir
[01:12] <wxl> heh i'm not clear
[01:12] <wxl> what's * in [14e4:*] ?
[01:12] <wxl> 4318 i'm guessing?
[01:12] <aedmark> ahhh :4318
[01:12] <aedmark> yessir
[01:12] <aedmark> (I'm assuming you are a sir, apologies if you are not)
[01:13] <KM0201> 4318... iv'e had problems w/ that device.. i always just install the driver manually, and it ALWAYS works.
[01:13] <wxl> sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer
[01:15] <aedmark> the problem here is that I can't apt-get on the computer in question
[01:15] <aedmark> seeing as it can't connect to the internet ;)
[01:15] <wxl> oh gawd
[01:15] <aedmark> Right?
[01:15] <wxl> go find an ethernet cable :D
[01:15] <aedmark> haha
[01:15] <wxl> seriously
[01:15] <aedmark> sigh, let me see if I can bridge connection
[01:15] <wxl> i mean go buy one if you have to :D
[01:16] <aedmark> haha I found one the other day, actually
[01:19] <aedmark> hmmm, okay I've got the cable and internet ready. I think I need the right repository for apt-get
[01:20] <wxl> where you is? and which lubuntu?
[01:21] <aedmark> 11.10
[01:21] <aedmark> Where I am as in geographically? I am in Iowa
[01:21] <wxl> k
[01:22] <wxl> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oneric multiverse
[01:22] <wxl> oneiric that is
[01:23] <wxl> archive works instead of ports too
[01:26] <aedmark> hmmm, how do you change the sources.list
[01:27] <aedmark> I haven't done this shit for years
[01:27] <wxl> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:27] <wxl> (or use your editor of choice)
[01:27] <wxl> actually wait
[01:27] <wxl> you can just:
[01:27] <aedmark> Yea but it's saying I don't have permission, even if I superuser it
[01:27] <wxl> echo "deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu oneiric multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:27] <wxl> oh wtf
[01:28] <wxl> that makes no sense
[01:28] <aedmark> indeed
[01:28] <wxl> there is no "root" per se set up in the lubuntu installer from 3what i remember
[01:28] <aedmark> yea I'm gonna add it through synaptic
[01:29] <wxl> that works too
[01:29] <wxl> or should
[01:29] <wxl> might
[01:29] <aedmark> kaching
[01:29] <aedmark> Creative problem solving. How am I still unemployed
[01:30] <wxl> of course not having su is bad
[01:30] <wxl> you should have permission
[01:30] <wxl> yous hould checek /etc/sudoers
[01:30] <aedmark> It may have been because I had synaptic open? I shall definitely look into that
[01:30] <wxl> yeah quite possibly
[01:31] <wxl> no don't think so
[01:31] <wxl> i had no problem with it
[01:33] <wxl> /etc/sudoers probably has %admin and %sudo set up with su access
[01:33] <aedmark> we have wireless
[01:33] <wxl> if you run groups in terminal you can see which groups your'e in
[01:33] <wxl> yey
[01:34] <wxl> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-add-user-to-group/ might help if you're not in the right group
[01:35] <wxl> if the problem is in sudoers that's a different story
[01:35] <aedmark> yea I don't even have a /etc/sudoers
[01:35] <wxl> uh
[01:35] <aedmark> just sudoers.d
[01:37] <wxl> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[01:37] <wxl> you'll want to fix that crap
[01:38] <aedmark> I imagine so
[01:41] <aedmark> I wonder how it happened.
[01:41] <wxl> that's a good question
[01:41] <wxl> i wonder that too
[01:41] <wxl> how did you install?
[01:44] <aedmark> When I booted the CD I just told it to install. Hmmm.
[01:44] <wxl> so you used the live cd?
[01:44] <wxl> which version?
[01:44] <aedmark> Now even in recovery mode it says the file system is read-only
[01:45] <aedmark> the latest one
[01:45] <aedmark> 11.10
[01:45] <wxl> bah that crap.. did you ever figure that out KM0201 ?
[01:45] <KM0201> what "crap" is that?
[01:46] <wxl> readonly recovery
[01:46] <aedmark> Not very conducive to recovery
[01:46] <KM0201> hmm, i don't remmber that one
[01:46] <wxl> oh thought that was u
[01:47] <wxl> when u messed up your vm with lightdm :)
[01:47] <KM0201> it could have been, i'm just not 100% sure
[01:48] <wxl> see if mount -o rw,remount / works aedmark
[01:49] <aedmark> nope
[01:49] <aedmark> errors=remount-ro
[01:49] <wxl> sudo it maybe?
[01:50] <aedmark> nada
[01:50] <wxl> bah
[01:50] <aedmark> maybe I should just go with xubuntu ;)
[01:50] <wxl> oh shush
[01:50] <wxl> sudo mount <device-file> / -o rw,remount
[01:51] <wxl> assumedly you're probably /dev/sda1 or so
[01:51] <wxl> you can run mount to see where it's mounted currently
[01:51] <aedmark> could it be something to do with being formatted in ext4?
[01:52] <wxl> shouln't be
[01:53] <wxl> irony: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/friendly-recovery/+bug/575469
[01:54] <aedmark> dummies didn't fix it!
[01:54] <aedmark> Though your last suggestion allowed me to edit the file
[01:55] <wxl> they DID fix it
[01:55] <wxl> that whole discussion was about going from rw->ro
[01:56] <wxl> which now that i think about it makes sense
[01:56] <wxl> you can fsck
[01:56] <wxl> on the other hand.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/friendly-recovery/+bug/868755
[01:58] <aedmark_> hmph
[01:58] <aedmark_> So I think everything is gravy, now
[01:59] <wxl> cool
[01:59] <wxl> sudoers fixed?
[01:59] <aedmark_> it's there, yea
[02:00] <wxl> cool so boot it up and make sure you're cool
[02:00] <wxl> go sudo something :D
[02:00] <wxl> $ sudo lukeiamyourfather
[02:01] <aedmark_> Oh I did
[02:01] <aedmark_> I sudoed the sudoers file
[02:01] <wxl> yey
[02:02] <aedmark_> Is it normal for there to be no icons on the desktop for a new install. I assumed there would be at least shortcuts to folders and whatnot
[02:03] <wxl> yes!
[02:03] <aedmark_> Okay good
[02:04] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9468742&postcount=3
[02:04] <aedmark_> hahaha
[02:05] <wxl> these will be useful to you:
[02:05] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides
[02:05] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds
[02:05] <wxl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755
[02:06] <aedmark_> Thanks! I should be good now. Just wanted to set up a basic system for me to write and do research on
[02:07] <wxl> you'll be good then
[02:07] <wxl> abiword is actually pretty darn nice
[02:07] <aedmark_> I just need to find some good software to let me sort out notes and such. Yea I've used that before.
[02:07] <wxl> as a libreoffice fan i was really surprised by how much i liked it
[02:07] <wxl> sylpheed can kiss my ass tho.
[02:07] <aedmark_> I use openoffice on my PC, but abiword is definitely nice
[02:07] <wxl> but that's another story... ;)
[02:08] <aedmark_> oh right, I can use celtx
[02:08] <aedmark_> yay for portability
[02:08] <wxl> ah cool
[02:08] <aedmark_> evolution is always a good e-mail client for linux
[02:08] <aedmark_> I swear by thunderbird on the PC
[02:08] <wxl> i rather like tbird
[02:08] <wxl> i want claws to work but it doesn't have a unified inbox
[02:09] <wxl> that's #1 for me
[02:09] <wxl> i have a million email accounts
[02:09] <aedmark_> understandable
[02:09] <wxl> and folders up the wazoo
[02:25] <witedsexe> hi i was wondering is there away to remove things like chrome fromy computer without removing the entire lubuntu destro
[02:25] <witedsexe> there are just some applications i dont need in it i am using 11.10
[02:32] <Unit193> Yeah, it may remove the lubuntu-desktop !metapackage, but that's not a problem at all
[02:32] <Unit193> Only thing is you may need to reinstall that if you want to do a upgrade
[02:32] <Unit193> !metapackage | witedsexe
[02:34] <witedsexe> and? what dose that mean will it couse problems to remove or not
[02:36] <Unit193> Not unless you do an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 (when it comes out)
[02:36] <Unit193> And at that point, it's just highly recommended
[02:41] <witedsexe> i usualy end up doing a fesh install when i upgrade any ways
[02:41] <witedsexe> as it tends to cause me issues using the updater so i guess it wont then thanks for the info
[02:42] <Unit193> Great, have a nice evening
[03:06] <malvarma> Hey I'm sort of new to lubuntu. I just updated after my first install and suddenly the system tray disappears
[03:06] <malvarma> Like the whole notification area for volume, network manager, etc. I only get the power icon and the clock.
[03:06] <malvarma> Anyone ever experience this?
[06:31] <zors> Hi.  Stupid question here.  Currently have Ubuntu 11.10 installed and running Unity 2D - all runs fine, just a little slow at times.  Seriously considering moving to Lubuntu 11.10 - heard some good things about it.  Would I see any benefit in doing so? In other words:  Which is lighter:  Unity 2D or Lubuntu?  Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.
[06:33] <M0hi> lxde is lightweight. What is your RAM size and the processor?
[06:33] <M0hi> zors: ^
[06:34] <zors> 1.8 GHz Single core CPU.  2GB ram.  Intel 965 Graphics (integrated)
[06:42] <M0hi> zors: Try lubuntu as a fresh install so that you can find the difference of lxde as lightweight =]
[06:42] <M0hi> A live CD/USB will be what I prefer to be tried first
[06:44] <zors> Will do thanks.  Already have the ISO.  Will burn and run from live CD.  Really just looking for a "normal" DE.    Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
[06:45] <bioterror> people keeps nagging about unity but they never talk about upstart for example
[06:45] <M0hi> np
[06:45] <M0hi> lol
[06:46] <bioterror> m0hi is first on the line to buy a ubuntu mobile phone device ;)
[06:46] <bioterror> that's coming after 12.04
[06:46] <bioterror> ofcourse they will run Unity!
[06:47] <M0hi> bioterror: I think I am going to get a Nokia, erase the OS and use Ubuntu in it xD
[06:47] <M0hi> or some Samsung
[06:47] <zors> No offence meant by my statement.  Unity may be great for some, but I find it counter-productive.    People are flocking to lxde & xfce in droves - and for good reason I think.
[06:48] <bioterror> XFCE4 should give all what Gnome2 users are looking for
[06:50] <zors> True.  Actually ran an lxde setup on an old desktop some years back - solid and reliable.
[10:44] <psilo23> Lubuntu saved my life
[11:45] <malcmail> Anyone around to help with a problem sharing my scanner on a network?
[12:50] <malcmail> Anyone around to help with a problem sharing my scanner on a network?
[13:18] <lubuntu214> Great work guys on Lubuntu. Best Lightweight Distro around!
[13:18] <lubuntu214> Excellent work goes to the LXDE team, pcmanfm...etc...
[13:18] <lubuntu214> :)
[17:07] <malcmail> seems very quiet in here :-s
[17:13] <croque> lubuntu works so well...nobody has any problems
[17:28] <KM0201> croque: that's probably a bit of a stretch, but... it does work well.. :)
[17:29] <croque> :)
[19:38] <fitus> hello everyone
[19:39] <fitus> can someone please tell me where can I get the lubuntu repositories for lubuntu 11.10
[19:40] <fitus> I upgraded and now everytime I update it says that some repos, has been ignored
[19:45] <croque> fitus: as far as I know the lubuntu repositories are the same as the ubuntu repositories in 11.10
[19:45] <Unit193> Ah, I had that, changed the repos to try and fix
[19:45] <fitus> so is safe to use then the ubuntu repos, with lubuntu ?
[19:46] <Unit193> As long as you take a look, should be the same
[19:46] <fitus> i had lubuntu 11.04 but i upgrded to lubuntu 11.10 and nos some repo's been ignored
[19:47] <croque> which repos are being ignored?
[19:47] <fitus> google, wine, and pms-linux
[19:48] <fitus> so I found an ubuntu repo generator, is it safe to generate and use that instead ?
[19:49] <croque> are you having problems with your system? Did the upgrade work?
[19:49] <Unit193> Ehh, I personally wouldn't want to use that
[19:50] <boudy> bonsoir j'essaye d'installer lubuntu sur ma machine mais sans succes qqn peut m'aider ?
[19:51] <Unit193> !fr | boudy
[19:52] <croque> fitus: here's my sources.list from a clean install of lubuntu 11.10 http://paste.ubuntu.com/727544/
[19:52] <boudy> sorry let's speak english
[19:52] <croque> fitus: I added getdeb....and it's for the Canadian servers
[19:53] <boudy> is there somebody who can help me, lubuntu doesn't work on my laptop
[19:55] <croque> boudy: what do you mean "doesn't work"?
[19:56] <fitus> ok I will do that , thanks
[19:56] <boudy> croque: bios start well but then  i have a black screen
[19:56] <boudy> i tried to do ctrl
[19:57] <boudy> alt f1 but the screen is still black
[20:02] <croque> boudy: I'm afraid I can't help you much. Lubuntu booted fine on several laptops I own.
[20:02] <croque> perhaps someone else here can troubleshoot it with you.
[20:02] <Unit193> !boot
[20:03] <Unit193> Or doesn't even make it to the "Try Lubuntu" screen?


[05:16] <IntuitiveNipple> Anyone know where the LaptopTesting Template got to? The Wiki seems to eithe out of date or it has gone missing


[10:33] <xnox> xnox_, hey!
[10:34] <xnox> xnox_2, hey
[10:37] <xnox> xnox_chrome, hello!
[12:24] <rbasak> juliank: we use debian/sid as the target for the merge because then Launchpad generates a useful preview.
[12:24] <rbasak> It's a hack really.
[12:24] <juliank> Ah
[12:25] <juliank> for context: So I played with git-ubuntu (to merge multipath-tools). Not sure if I did everything right, but I figured it would be nice given the work already put into it. The wiki said to use debian/sid as the target for the merge proposal, but that does not seem to make much sense to me.  https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/ubuntu/+source/multipath-tools/+git/multipath-tools/+merge/336097
[12:25] <rbasak> The changelog generation hasn't been intended to be completely automatic. Perhaps it can be in the future. I still find it useful to provide a starting point though.
[12:25] <rbasak> You don't have to use it.
[12:26] <rbasak> Perhaps we need to fix the docs on that. You're not the only person to have different expectations from what it actually does ;)
[13:29] <Pharaoh_Atem> rbasak: I'm just surprised that git-ubuntu isn't turning into a nice little fedpkg-like tool for ubuntu stuff
[13:31] <rbasak> Pharaoh_Atem: ?
[13:31] <Pharaoh_Atem> rbasak: https://www.mankier.com/1/fedpkg
[13:31] <Pharaoh_Atem> a central tool for managing packaging workflows
[13:31] <juliank> git ubuntu is extremely complicated to work with, but I guess it has to since the whole merging with Debian thing is complicated
[13:32] <rbasak> Why do you say it's complicated?
[13:32] <juliank> Well, the workflow is complicated
[13:32] <juliank> with all the rebasing and stuff
[13:32] <rbasak> The _package merge_ workflow is complicated.
[13:32] <rbasak> That's not all of git-ubuntu.
[13:33] <juliank> rbasak: That's all I played with so far :)
[13:33] <rbasak> But yeah, like you say, that's the consequence of the nature of what Ubuntu is as a derivative.
[13:33] <rbasak> Fundamentally the package merge workflow is "git rebase".
[13:33] <Pharaoh_Atem> well, more like a child distro that hasn't yet walked away from the parent ;)
[13:34] <rbasak> What makes it more complicated is splitting up previous Ubuntu uploads that didn't use the workflow.
[13:34] <rbasak> Which of course is to be expected; it's the migration cost.
[17:09] <sil2100> cjwatson, wgrant: hey! Can we get https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule updated to include bionic? I switched langpack-o-matic cron to run the l-o-m bits in place of yakkety
[17:15] <cjwatson> sil2100: done
[17:39] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks again!
[18:57] <zomaar> #1734147
[19:09] <Unit193> LP 1734147
[19:11] <zomaar> Thx
[19:11] <zomaar> Was trying to figure out what the minimal approach was to trigger it


 :P
[08:25] <s-fox> Hello community
[08:39] <dholbach> dpm, czajkowski: does anyone have any idea about what's happening with bug 1003576 already?
[08:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1003576 in launchpad "Automatic translation exports not committing PO files" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1003576
[08:40] <dpm> dholbach, it's marked as Critical, so it should be looked at, but I haven't heard anything since I filed it
[08:40] <dholbach> ok
[08:40] <dpm> I was going to ping jtv aboug it, but I've been doing other stuff
[08:40] <czajkowski> dpm: ping maintence
[08:40] <dpm> it looks like a pretty nasty regression to me
[08:41] <czajkowski> so jam jelmer or villa
[08:41] <s-fox> ping for jcastro re: askubuntu :)
[08:41] <dpm> czajkowski, where, on #launchpad-dev?
[08:42] <dpm> s-fox, he won't be online until in a few hours time
[08:42] <dholbach> #launchpad I guess
[08:42] <s-fox> dpm,  yes, i am hopeful he will pick up later :)
[08:43] <dpm> yes, but in that case, I'd simply ask the question so that he can answer straight away :)
[08:44] <czajkowski> dpm: yup
[08:45] <czajkowski> dholbach: dpm raised it
[08:45] <dpm> awesome, thanks czajkowski
[08:49] <czajkowski> no problem so critical are ones that will get looked at the quickest
[08:49] <czajkowski> but we have hundreds of them
[08:49] <czajkowski> so if there is one in partiular you need looked at
[08:50] <czajkowski> flag it wiht me and I'll raise it and if I'm not online find the mainetnece squad which is the blue squad
[08:54] <czajkowski> jussi: if you're free can you spare a few mins for a quick pm  please
[10:48] <daker> technoviking, any idea why i don't have right to edit my profil ?
[10:49] <daker> http://ubuntuforums.org/profile.php?do=editprofile => you do not have permission to access this page
[10:53] <s-fox> daker what is your post count?
[10:53] <daker> s-fox, 4
[10:54] <daker> don't tell me i need 50 posts to edit my profil :/
[10:54] <s-fox> Correct.
[10:54] <s-fox> We have a sticky - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1836816
[10:55] <head_victim> Yay, I have 57.
[10:55] <daker> what 50posts o.O!!!!!!!
[10:55] <head_victim> We should start a thread to help people get their count above 50...............
[10:56] <daker> head_victim, this will do the reverse thing, it will increase the spam
[10:56] <s-fox> head_victim,  if it appears i will jail the thread without hesitation.
[10:56] <head_victim> Yeah sorry, I still need to work on getting sarcasm tags working in xchat :/
[10:57] <s-fox> daker 50 posts is quite a low target. it is easy to achieve :)
[10:58] <daker> s-fox, easy to achieve with spam ツ
[10:58] <head_victim> s-fox: my post count is 0.04 a day so I guess I'm a bit behind the average curve.
[10:59] <s-fox> head_victim,  the average is not important. i mean i had my account several months before i even made a post. now i find myself one of the admins on the site. funny world.
[11:06] <popey> haha, i only have 41 posts
[11:06] <popey> yet I can maintain my profile.. how come?
[11:07] <czajkowski> you're popey :)
[11:07] <popey> nearly 6 years on the forums
[11:07] <head_victim> They're scared you'll shut it down.....
[11:08] <popey> Most Recent Message: August 31st, 2008
[11:08] <popey> :D
[11:13] <Daviey> popey: Join Date: December 21st, 2006 / Total Posts: 11
[11:13] <Daviey> <-- heavy forum user.
[11:14] <popey> nice!
[11:16] <Daviey> popey: maybe because you are a ubuntu member.. i can edit mine aswell.
[11:16] <popey> speshul
[11:31] <AlanBell> Join Date: February 14th, 2006 / Total Posts 25
[11:31] <AlanBell> must have been an exciting valentine that year
[11:31] <Daviey> hah
[11:32] <nothingspecial> ha ha ha
[12:11] <dpm> dholbach, I see the first translations commits from the auto-exporter coming in
[12:16] <dholbach> yeehaw!
[12:18] <dpm> :-)
[12:18] <czajkowski> hehe
[13:14] <dpm> hi all, I always forget who to ask: does anyone know how I can request a bugbot for the #quickly channel?
[13:17] <mhall119> ping the ircc?
[13:18] <jussi> zoom zoom zoom
[13:18] <AlanBell> #ubuntu-quickly is that?
[13:18] <jussi> AlanBell: its sorted
[13:20] <dpm> thanks again jussi :)
[13:47] <jcastro> mhall119: the vala lens thing was something didrocks brought up
[13:47] <jcastro> so if you make him happy with python then that's fine
[13:57] <mhall119> jcastro: I'd rather it be in vala, personally, but I don't think it being in Python is a blocker
[13:57] <jcastro> ok
[13:57] <jcastro> I was just saying, didrocks has a concern about that.
[13:58] <jcastro> the rest is between you all
[13:58] <jcastro> :)
[13:58] <mhall119> where is didrocks?
[13:58] <s-fox> hey jcastro , where are the community links on askubuntu?
[13:59] <jcastro> s-fox: what do you mean?
[13:59] <s-fox> like links to other ubuntu sites and things like that. for example the iso download page on ubuntu.com etc
[14:00] <jcastro> oh, it doesn't really have that
[14:01] <s-fox> We have a menu item on the nav bar linking to all sorts of different places and wondered where and if ask ubuntu has something similar jcastro , and if it doesn't wondered what you guys would think to having one?
[14:01] <jcastro> We don't really run the site, SE does.
[14:02] <jcastro> However I know the design team linked up with their design team on header stuff a month or so ago
[14:02] <jcastro> but I wasn't a part of those conversations
[14:02] <s-fox> jcastro,  here is what i mean like we do on the forum - http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2983/0e2a064a27434976a77a505.png
[14:03]  * jcastro nods
[14:03] <s-fox> i see you guys have questions, tags, users, badges and unanswered. wondered if community might be a good addition ?
[14:04] <jcastro> yeah those are standard across all exchanges though
[14:04] <jcastro> I don't think those are customizeable
[14:04] <s-fox> ooh :/
[14:04] <s-fox> that is a shame
[14:04] <jcastro> marcoceppi might know more
[14:04] <jcastro> he can ask them
[14:04] <jcastro> is there a standard "super awesome menu" widget across the project?
[14:05] <mhall119> jcastro: how about the white "masthead" used in other sites?
[14:05] <s-fox> i see what you mean about them being standard jcastro .
[14:05] <mhall119> jcastro: like on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[14:05] <jcastro> mhall119: I think that's what the web design team was talking to them about
[14:05] <mhall119> though SE has it's own masthead area already
[14:07] <jcastro> yeah
[14:16] <s-fox> brb
[14:20] <jcastro> jono: did gmb put up any of the other team pics?
[14:20]  * jcastro is interested how the guitar hero ones turned out
[14:21] <s-fox> :)
[14:27] <jono> jcastro, they look pretty lame
[14:27] <jono> :-)
[14:27] <jcastro> man, that sucks
[14:27] <jcastro> next time I will make everyone try harder.
[14:28] <balloons> akgraner is doing a livestreamed interview with me this morning.. should you wish to have some background noise.. and I do mean noise.. should be starting sometime in the next hour or so, I'll ping when it goes live :-)
[14:29] <balloons> http://www.youtube.com/user/AmberGraner https://plus.google.com/u/0/100254004947968890609/posts
[15:41] <dholbach> dpm, czajkowski: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-packaging-guide-team/ubuntu-packaging-guide/trunk/revision/103 :-D
[15:42] <czajkowski> :)
[15:42] <czajkowski> yay
[15:51] <marcoceppi> s-fox jcastro I can ping them about it. We'd likely need to add it somewhere other than the top global bar. SE is sensitive about that :)
[17:05] <jono> jcastro, dholbach, dpm, balloons, mhall119 - can you guys confirm that the 12.10 planning spreadsheet has all your approved blueprints in there?
[17:05] <jono> and remove all unapproved BPs
[17:05] <mhall119> jono: only the ones we filed, right?
[17:05] <jono> mhall119, yes
[17:06] <mhall119> not other BPs we happened to get work items on
[17:06] <jono> indeed
[17:09] <dpm> jono, it's not in my objectives, but could you approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-q-translations-roundtable ?
[17:09] <jono> NEVER
[17:09] <jono> :-)
[17:10] <jono> dpm, done
[17:10] <dpm> thanks jono ;-)
[17:11] <jono> :-)
[17:12] <mhall119> jono: mine are all approved
[17:12] <jono> thanks mhall119
[17:16] <dholbach> jono, in a meeting - will look in a bit
[17:19] <jono> thanks dholbach
[17:36] <daker> dholbach, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150926243088390&set=a.95723633389.85048.5150088389&type=1&theater
[17:36] <dholbach> haha, nice
[17:37] <daker> Mawazine ツ
[17:37] <daker> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mawazine
[17:38] <dholbach> ah cool
[17:43] <dholbach> jono, yes, all approved, all in there
[17:47] <balloons> jono, I have 3 kind of sitting out there still looks like
[17:48] <balloons> however, all blueprints are in the doc
[17:48] <balloons> :-)
[17:51] <dholbach> see you tomorrow! have a great rest of your day! :)
[18:29] <mhall119> wow, recursive meta-questions?
[20:48] <jcastro> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4020455
[20:48] <jcastro> upvotes please!
[20:50] <czajkowski> jcastro: is that another site I've to join up to ?
[20:50] <jcastro> it uses openid iirc
[20:58] <czajkowski> coolt thanks
[21:14] <snap-l> jcastro: Upvoted the reddi posting.
[22:43] <greg-g> pleia2: now I'm just going to ping you all the time with nice little notes like "Hope you're having a good day!" that'll be emailed to you every 10 minutes or so :)
[22:44]  * pleia2 increases email frequency to hourly
[22:44] <pleia2> it is actually 10 minutes by default, clever script
[22:45] <greg-g> yeah, read the source on githu
[22:45] <greg-g> b
[22:46] <greg-g> now I just need to write an irssi script that will send you a random nice message via PM every 10 minutes. Then you're script will email you with that message. Or I could just email you. ;)
[22:46] <pleia2> someone at UDS told me about an android app that sent notifications, but it uses ssh for access to your running irssi session and sysadmin pleia2 died inside a little
[22:47]  * greg-g nods
[22:47] <pleia2> this script seems safe
[22:47] <pleia2> ...even if it stores my gmail password in clear text :x
[22:47] <pleia2> but I already do that for offlineimap, so whatever
[22:49] <greg-g> yeah :/
[22:52] <cjohnston> irssi from my phone ftw
[22:56] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe
[23:07] <bkerensa> prowl for the win
[23:07] <bkerensa> ;p
[23:13]  * MrChrisDruif is lazy and uses andchat on his android...when not 'g'ubuntu with xchat


[00:33] <Geothst> I just got a really weird error about x11 missing some directories. I couldn't copy/paste or screenshot the error because my computer turned itself off after I got the error. I've uninstalled Nouveau and NVidia drivers, and uninstalled and reinstalled X11. Is there any way I can see if the problem is still there or not without knowing what those error messages were?
[11:28] <GandalfB> Hello Everyone - I'm a newly installed 12.10 user and new to linux.  I wondered if there was anyone who could help me diagnose a network problem I'm having today?
[11:30] <cairne> whats going on?
[11:30] <GandalfB> Hello Cairne
[11:31] <GandalfB> I've just clean installed ubuntu 12.10, and the network keeps flashing up disconnected.
[11:31] <GandalfB> Its a wired connection, and onboard network card
[11:32] <GandalfB> if I use the lspci command,  I seem to be able to locate the device and it seems (not to sure how to tell) that ubuntu has correctly identified it.
[11:32] <GandalfB> if I run, ifconfig - I can see the two devices, the actual adapter and loopback
[11:32] <philipballew> GandalfB, hello
[11:32] <philipballew> lets look at this
[11:33] <GandalfB> the adapter dosn't seem to have an IP4 address
[11:33] <philipballew> wanna output some stuff for me into pastbin?
[11:33] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:33] <philipballew> lspci -vvv
[11:33] <philipballew> its gonna be long, but I want to see all there is
[11:33] <GandalfB> that could be very tricky as that comp is not on network at all
[11:34] <philipballew> ah. I see
[11:34] <philipballew> well lets do this
[11:34] <GandalfB> is there a way to pipe it to text fire
[11:34] <GandalfB> the console output
[11:34] <GandalfB> *file
[11:34] <philipballew> yeah. piping a text file is cat
[11:34] <philipballew> let me see how to do that again
[11:35] <philipballew> that way if I have to go, someone can help you
[11:35] <GandalfB> ok cheers
[11:36] <GandalfB> ((help is much appericated as I've not had much luck with multiple hours of googling))
[11:36] <philipballew> http://flossstuff.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/using-cat-command-in-linux-to-createdisplayconcatenate-and-append-files/
[11:36] <philipballew> its alright. its 3:30 here so Im kinda out of it
[11:37] <philipballew> but I can help for a sec
[11:38] <GandalfB> ((help is much appericated as I've not had much luck with multiple hours of googling))
[11:38] <GandalfB> oh sorry for the spam
[11:38] <GandalfB> :S
[11:39] <GandalfB> ok I have the output
[11:39] <GandalfB> just sticking it in that website
[11:39] <philipballew> no hurry
[11:39] <philipballew> so where in the world do you live?
[11:40] <philipballew> dont say middle earth
[11:40] <philipballew> okay, you can say it
[11:40] <GandalfB> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1372254/
[11:40] <GandalfB> UK
[11:40] <GandalfB> Brighton
[11:40] <GandalfB> pasted away
[11:41] <cairne> when you go into the network manager does it list the device?
[11:41] <GandalfB> from a novice look at that text file,  it looks like the driver has been loaded correctly
[11:42] <GandalfB> is that the screen titled network connections
[11:42] <GandalfB> ?
[11:42] <GandalfB> it shows wired connectoin 1
[11:42] <philipballew> GandalfB, personally Id hook it up to a cat5 and update the laptop then check for additional drivers
[11:42] <GandalfB> well to be fair.  "Wired Connection 1"
[11:42] <GandalfB> its on cat5
[11:43] <GandalfB> its not a wireless problem, its wired problem
[11:43] <philipballew> so check for additional drivers to see if theres a wifi driver
[11:43] <cairne> does your router automatically assign ip?
[11:43] <GandalfB> yes
[11:43] <GandalfB> I'm using the same router for this windows machine
[11:44] <GandalfB> and I've swapped the cables
[11:44] <philipballew> the closed source sinners like to live in the driver underworld
[11:44] <GandalfB> to see if its socket / router problem
[11:44] <GandalfB> and there is no wifi on teh machine either,  its desktop, with onboard network card, 10/100/1000
[11:45] <GandalfB> it feels it trying to get an ip6 address, and failing, becuase I don't think the router supports ip6
[11:45] <GandalfB> thats my feeling
[11:45] <GandalfB> is there any way to test that theory??
[11:47] <philipballew> cairne, ^
[11:48] <cairne> i'm trying to think how you would test that
[11:49] <cairne> usually its the wired connection that works without a hitch lol, what does gui network manager say about the card is it disabled?
[11:50] <GandalfB> it just says it was last used 3 days ago
[11:50] <GandalfB> and teh desktop keeps flashing up wired connection disconected
[11:51] <GandalfB> maybe its a faulty nic?
[11:52] <GandalfB> is there way to test that?
[11:52] <philipballew> not sure for your hardware
[11:53] <cairne> sudo lshw see where the logical address is for your nic
[11:54] <cairne> should be under *-network then it will list the information
[11:55] <GandalfB> found it
[11:55] <GandalfB> what would I be looking for there
[11:56] <cairne> should say logical device for instance mine is eth0
[11:56] <GandalfB> logical name: eth0
[11:56] <GandalfB> is what I have
[11:58] <cairne> gksudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[11:58] <philipballew> you can cat that
[11:58] <philipballew> "put a cat on it!"
[11:59] <GandalfB> ok I run that command,  I now have a text window saying
[11:59] <GandalfB> # interfaces(5) fire used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8(
[11:59] <cairne> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-networking-configuration-using-command-line.html
[11:59] <GandalfB> auto lo
[12:00] <cairne> thisis what i was going off of
[12:00] <GandalfB> iface lo inet loopback
[12:00] <cairne> might work changing lo to eth0
[12:01] <philipballew> NO!
[12:01] <philipballew> nm needs ot to be lo
[12:01] <philipballew> *It
[12:01]  * philipballew goes back to his paper now
[12:02] <GandalfB> so don't change anything?
[12:03] <philipballew> well I recall that network manager needs that file to be like that
[12:03] <philipballew> changing will mess up where you dont have any internet
[12:03] <philipballew> so yeah, dont change
[12:03] <GandalfB> ok
[12:04] <philipballew> philip@PrincessLeia:~$ cat /etc/network/interfaces
[12:04] <philipballew> auto lo
[12:04] <philipballew> iface lo inet loopback
[12:04] <GandalfB> im wondering if there is some odd bios setting?
[12:05] <philipballew> GandalfB, id say its just a odd bug . how old is the laptop
[12:06] <philipballew> probably made them mad when I said no.
[12:06] <GandalfB> its a dekstop - probally 6 years
[12:06] <GandalfB> if I buy a new network card
[12:06] <philipballew> okay. so should work, but Id look at the model of nic to see if there is a bug
[12:06] <GandalfB> how do I install it?
[12:07] <GandalfB> beyond the physical installation
[12:07] <philipballew> nothing
[12:07] <philipballew> ubuntu finds and boots all the drivers for you
[12:07] <GandalfB> ok
[12:07] <GandalfB> so is there safe network card to 'buy'
[12:07] <GandalfB> and test
[12:07] <philipballew> unless it doesnt have them ,then you cant use that.
[12:08] <philipballew> I am not sure off hand. the internet might know somewhere or your loco?
[12:10] <GandalfB> I see what I can pickup
[12:10] <GandalfB> and report back in hor or so
[12:11] <GandalfB> brb
[12:13] <philipballew> i will probably not be here
[13:51] <GandalfB> Hey all -  just a quick update on my networking problem,  a new network nic fixed it.
[16:10] <Phryq> hey, is there a way to run fluxbox other that using "startx"?
[16:13] <holstein> Phryq: you should be able to choose it at login from the manager you are using.. i choose openbox in lightdm
[16:19] <Phryq> I don't use a login manager, but maybe I'll install one
[16:20] <Phryq> if I install one (SLiM) then the manager will automatically run?
[16:20] <Phryq> or do I have to configure it to do so?
[16:21] <holstein> Phryq: i had issues with slim, and assumed it was on my end.. typically, you choose in the GUI and that choice is remembered
[17:00] <Phryq> ok; well I've just installed slim; so I'll restart and see what happens
[19:15] <HeavyWater> Hi all...just installed ubuntu and got xchat up...still trying to learn linux and hope I can hang out and learn/contribute :-D
[19:23] <holstein> HeavyWater: welcome.. check out the OT channel as well.. #ubuntu-beginners-team
[19:23] <HeavyWater> thanks holstein...will do
[19:40] <angls> hi
[23:12] <GandalfB> Hello All - thank you for the help this morning, is there any chance I can tap someone's brains tonight?


[22:55] <ravage> Modern communication platforms: Matrix testing - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/modern-communication-platforms-matrix-testing/40313
[22:59] <ravage> come join us at https://matrix.to/#/#community:ubuntu.com
[23:03] <leftyfb> I prefer IRC