[00:29] <fta> *sigh* dput/lp regressed again.. Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')"] : Permission denied.
[00:40] <lifeless> fta: I've pinged in the is channel
[01:32] <TheEvilPhoenix> i need to contact a launchpad administrator, i made a mistake and deactivated my signature on the Ubuntu Code of Conduct (I was trying to change the PGP key I was using)
[01:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> oop nevermind, i fixed it by just signing the CoC again with the newer key
[08:11] <JeanFI> Hello, is there a way to know the reason why a svn import to bzr project branch is rejected? I probably make some configuration mistakes but the email just says 'rejected'.
[08:24] <wgrant> JeanFI: Do you have a link to the branch?
[08:44] <JeanFI> wgrant, bzr branch is: https://code.launchpad.net/~jfi/psensor/trunk
[08:44] <JeanFI> wgrant, svn url is: http://wpitchoune.net/svnpub/psensor/trunk/
[10:26] <bkero> Hey guys, I'm having a big error thrown when I'm trying to post a comment onto a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/736171?comments=all   The error is occuring as red text in some sort of html dialog box, here's a pastebin to the contents of said box.  http://pastebin.osuosl.org/37173
[10:43] <wgrant> bkero: Hmm, that's a particularly ugly forbidden exception.
[10:44] <wgrant> bkero: Let's see.
[10:45] <bkero> refreshed the page and tried posting a comment again, still happening
[11:05] <wgrant> bkero: What was the content of the comment?
[11:09] <bkero> wgrant: I'll pastebin that too
[11:10] <bkero> wgrant: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/37174
[11:11] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[11:13] <wgrant> bkero: Do you have Firebug or the Chromium Developer Tools so you can see the full content of the error? I suspect there's an element around the 'ben-kero' that we're not seeing.
[11:13] <wgrant> Because for some reason it has decided to return a full HTML error page...
[11:13] <bkero> let me install one of those
[11:15] <bkero> wgrant: here's the full content of the error:
[11:17] <bkero> http://pastebin.osuosl.org/37177
[11:18] <bkero> sorry, that's the wrong thing.  http://pastebin.osuosl.org/37178
[11:19] <wgrant> bkero: That doesn't look like the HTTP response. That looks like it's already been inserted into the page.
[11:21] <bkero> That's a copy of the error that pops up in the JS dialog box, did you want me to sniff POST data or something?
[11:21] <wgrant> Either of those development tools should let you easily see the content of the response to the POST request.
[11:24] <bkero> 403 Forbidden
[11:24] <bkero> Did you want a copy of the HTTP headers or something?
[11:25] <wgrant> bkero: I'd like the HTML body of that response. The headers aren't sufficient here :(. But you see the 'ben-kero' at the end of the stuff you pasted? I suspect the raw response has more than that.
[11:25] <bkero> http://pastebin.osuosl.org/37179
[11:26] <bkero> Ok
[11:27] <bkero> http://pastebin.ca/2049675 is the html response
[11:27] <wgrant> Ah! Perfect.
[11:28] <wgrant> bkero: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/1024
[11:30] <bkero> ah, ok, seems it was a change in about:config, set network.http.sendRefererHeader = 1 means false, 2 means true
[11:30] <bkero> wgrant: thanks :)


[21:41] <asac> its 4.2.2_r1
[21:41] <asac> http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_bionic.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/cm-10.1
[21:41] <asac> pretty high on top there
[21:41] <rsalveti> right
[21:41] <asac> ok let me try that
[21:41] <rsalveti> and why are you looking into that?
[21:41] <rsalveti> any feature we're missing?
[21:42] <rsalveti> yeah, it's based on CM10.1 M1
[21:42] <asac> hmm. those cm guys didnt push the tag
[21:42] <asac> let me find the commit
[21:43] <rsalveti> manoelramon: where can I find the intel android tree?
[21:43] <rsalveti> or is that already upstream?
[21:43] <stgraber> rsalveti: so, my current problem is that the container kinda starts, /system/bin/mediaserver is spawned, stays there for a few seconds and then the container dies
[21:43] <stgraber> rsalveti: rings a bell?
[21:44] <rsalveti> stgraber: hm, no
[21:44] <rsalveti> stgraber: no logs?
[21:44] <rsalveti> logcat would be useful there
[21:45] <jono> pmcgowan, hey
[21:45] <jono> pmcgowan, any idea who is working on the infographics work?
[21:46] <stgraber> rsalveti: how do I turn /dev/alog/main into something readable?
[21:47] <rsalveti> hm, would need to investigate
[21:47] <rsalveti> let me check
[21:48] <RobbyF> will the email client support exchange?
[21:48] <rsalveti> stgraber: just a simple cat would already be useful
[21:50] <rsalveti> stgraber: try running logcat manually
[21:50] <rsalveti> it should be static linked I'd guess
[21:51] <rsalveti> if not you can probably build it easily
[21:51] <rsalveti> http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_system_core.git;a=tree;f=logcat;h=9cd412866c535d84bd1b106ad4fa32e3a438f1b5;hb=refs/heads/phablet-10.1
[21:52] <ogra> stgraber, /system/bin/logcat
[21:52] <ogra> it is definitely static
[21:52] <rsalveti> yeah, if you have it mounted it'd just work
[21:52] <ogra> :)
[21:52] <asac> rsalveti: you are android-audiosystem guru? what is so armel specific there?
[21:52] <rsalveti> asac: that's what I'm checking now
[21:52] <rsalveti> this is old code from motorola
[21:53] <asac> intersting :)
[21:53] <ogra> well /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system/bin/logcat (can we add some more subdirs) then
[21:53] <asac> is it important for primary user experience?
[21:53] <asac> e.g. booting, showing stuff on screen etc.?
[21:53] <rsalveti> asac: well, just no sound
[21:53] <asac> kk
[21:53] <asac> no crashes?
[21:53] <rsalveti> nops
[21:53] <stgraber> ogra: not static
[21:53] <ogra> oh
[21:53] <stgraber> /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/system/bin/logcat: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[21:53] <asac> rsalveti: what is it doing? talking to... alsa?
[21:53] <asac> :)
[21:53] <manoelramon> https://01.org/android-ia/documentation/faq
[21:53] <rsalveti> asac: other way around
[21:53] <rsalveti> asac: for pulse to talk to audioflinger
[21:54]  * asac turns upside down
[21:54] <rsalveti> manoelramon: thanks
[21:54] <asac> ok. doesnt sound very armel specific
[21:54] <ogra> stgraber, link system to / then ... LD_PRELOAD should give you all you need
[21:54] <rsalveti> asac: no, just stupid build system
[21:54] <ogra> (it points to /system/lib)
[21:54] <rsalveti> as we got some .S files there
[21:54] <asac> yeah
[21:54] <asac> have you tried sedding everythign :)?
[21:54] <stgraber> ogra: read-only, remember? :)
[21:54] <rsalveti> asac: I'm fixing it
[21:55] <ogra> stgraber, well ... remount rw ... then set the link
[21:55] <rsalveti> stgraber: chroot
[21:55] <asac> good
[21:55] <rsalveti> and then run it from the android container
[21:55] <rsalveti> shouldn't explode :-)
[21:55] <ogra> you dont have /dev
[21:55] <ogra> need to bind mount it
[21:55] <rsalveti> haha
[21:55] <sergiusens> manoelramon: I have may have access to some intel devices from the Cordoba site... I'll get your tree's and see what happens
[21:56] <ogra> hmm, there is still something fishy with powerd
[21:59]  * ogra tries to move it later
[21:59] <ogra> hmm
[21:59] <ogra> is there any reason why we dont have ubuntu-session start powerd ?
[21:59] <stgraber> rsalveti, ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5737111/
[22:00] <rsalveti> well, powerd is a system service
[22:00] <asac> ogra: my understanding is that powerd is something deeper entrenched in the OS than a session...
[22:00] <ogra> asac, well, it needs bits from the container and dbus
[22:01] <asac> dbus is started in the gnome-session?
[22:01] <ogra> stgraber, same issue slangasek has
[22:01] <asac> otherwise i dont know what ubuntu-session is :)
[22:01] <rsalveti> stgraber:
[22:01] <rsalveti> D/overlay ( 1001): initoverlay:: opening the device:: /dev/graphics/fb2
[22:01] <rsalveti> E/overlay ( 1001): cannot open framebuffer(2)
[22:01] <asac> (and you can ignore me)
[22:01] <ogra> asac, the session bus, not the system bus
[22:01] <rsalveti> then egl fails, which causes surfaceflinger to crash
[22:01] <ogra> asac, https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/session-manager-touch/trunk
[22:01] <rsalveti> but still, it should go on and print more messages
[22:02] <asac> do we use androids busybox?
[22:02] <rsalveti> is that all you get?
[22:02] <asac> err the busybox of CM
[22:02] <asac> (android doesnt have that)
[22:02] <ogra> i dont think so
[22:02] <rsalveti> asac: http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_external_busybox.git;a=summary
[22:02] <ogra> oh, we do ?
[22:02] <asac> so we use that?
[22:02] <asac> hmm
[22:02] <ogra> but with nothing enabled i guess
[22:02] <asac> what is the official android replace called?
[22:03] <ogra> /bin/sh: 0: Can't open /proc/self/fd/9
[22:03] <ogra> ** (process:489): DEBUG: owner id: 1
[22:03] <ogra> ** (process:489): DEBUG: Activity Timeout is 30 seconds
[22:03] <ogra> woah
[22:03] <asac> ah its toolbox
[22:03] <asac> right
[22:03] <asac> thats what its called
[22:03] <ogra> (powerd log)
[22:04] <stgraber> slangasek: apparently I'm hitting the same bug as you had (lxc container not starting), what's the problem?
[22:05] <ogra> stgraber, his container was starting, his  session wasnt ...
[22:05] <ogra> race between udev and the container start
[22:05] <stgraber> ok, my container isn't starting at all and I've got udev in Ubuntu disabled
[22:05] <rsalveti> stgraber: is that all you got from logcat?
[22:05] <stgraber> well, it starts for a minute and dies. The only process I see init spawn is /system/bin/mediaserver
[22:06] <stgraber> rsalveti: yep
[22:06] <rsalveti> stgraber: can you check if you have /dev/graphics/fb2 inside your android container?
[22:07] <rsalveti> hm, that error also happens here
[22:07]  * ogra guesses only while the container is running
[22:07] <ogra> i guess fb2 is HDMI
[22:07] <stgraber> rsalveti: I'll try but as I said the container dies pretty quickly, so I'll have to do some clever tricks to pull the data before it goes away
[22:07] <rsalveti> W/SurfaceFlinger( 1001): no suitable EGLConfig found, trying without EGL_FRAMEBUFFER_TARGET_ANDROID
[22:07] <ogra> or however that special plug adapter thing is called
[22:07] <rsalveti> so surface flinger fails completely here
[22:08] <asac> do we have lots of arm specific stuff in powerd?
[22:08] <rsalveti> which could mean issues with udevd or it couldn't see the vendor stuff
[22:08] <rsalveti> stgraber: are you using our own system.img file?
[22:08] <rsalveti> or did you build it your own?
[22:08] <stgraber> rsalveti: nope, used the one from ubuntu-touch-preview
[22:08] <ogra> unpacked from ours
[22:09] <ogra> did you tar it and forgot --numeric-owner or some such ?
[22:09] <rsalveti> W/Adreno200-EGL( 1001): <eglGetConfigs:400>: EGL_NOT_INITIALIZED
[22:09] <rsalveti> now why would the driver fail
[22:09] <ogra> because /vendor isnt set up
[22:09] <rsalveti> E/Adreno200-GSL( 1001): <ioctl_kgsl_driver_entry:269>: open(/dev/kgsl-3d0) failed: errno 2. No such file or directory
[22:09] <rsalveti> there you go
[22:09] <stgraber> ogra: mix of root and gid 2000, that looks vaguely reasonable
[22:10] <stgraber> rsalveti: well, yeah, as part of my problems I don't even see ueventd starting, so I'd expect /dev to be pretty much empty
[22:10] <ogra> ah, no /dev
[22:10] <stgraber> as I said, I only see a single process being spawned in the container and that's "/system/bin/mediaserver"
[22:11] <stgraber> no ueventd that I can see
[22:11] <rsalveti> the rest might fail
[22:11] <rsalveti> or init fails completely
[22:11] <ogra> yeah, so talk to jhodapp, we cant help :P
[22:11] <rsalveti> due lack of udev
[22:11] <rsalveti> ueventd
[22:11] <ogra> mediaserver is his area
[22:11] <ogra> :P
[22:12] <ogra> did you modify init.rc somehow ?
[22:12] <stgraber> ogra: nope, only changes I did comment cache, system and data in fstab.mako and removed adbd (just in case)
[22:13] <ogra> no need for that
[22:13] <ogra> in fact i would leave it there, that way you can easily switch between ubuntu and container
[22:13] <ogra> (by setting the adbd upstart job to manual)
[22:14] <ogra> adbd wont start if its loopback port is already taken
[22:16] <ogra> stgraber, do you have  nodev.nosuid options set on /data by chance ?
[22:19] <stgraber> ogra: nope
[22:21] <|QuaD|> hello! quick question for you.  How are upgrades handled? is it done throuhg normal apt? or do i have to reflash an image everytime
[22:23] <ogra> you currently have to reflash
[22:23] <ogra> since there are bits in the android layer that arent packaged but require updates on package upgrades
[22:24] <ogra> phablet-flash is clever enough to keep your userdata intact though
[22:51] <|QuaD|> ogra: thanks! do we have an eta of when something like nexus 7 will be autoupdateable?
[22:52] <ogra> apt updates will work once the images have the flipped container model in use and the two bits that we use inside android are packaged
[22:52] <|QuaD|> cool
[22:52] <ogra> on the former there is active cross team work going on
[22:52] <ogra> so it should be in place *soon*
[22:53] <ogra> the latter will have to wait until someone has time to actually do the packaging
[22:55] <|QuaD|> and once that build comes out, i just have to run phablet-flash, it will upgrade and then be upgradeable?
[22:55] <asac> remember that apt updates are really just an intermediate state
[22:56] <asac> we are actually shooting for system updates
[22:56] <asac> (for end user experience at least)
[23:30] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, bfiller http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-social-phone.html
[23:31] <slangasek> stgraber: mmm, the issue I had was because I had changed the lxc-android-container job to start on 'starting udev' and had set the udev job to manual
[23:32] <stgraber> slangasek: yeah, my issue appears unrelated as I already had udev disabled to check that wasn't the problem. Not sure exactly what's going on, but I guess it was to be expected that some bits would fail when moving to a read-only root
[23:38] <mfisch> sergiusens: can you approve the upstart job change for powerd?  https://code.launchpad.net/~mfisch/powerd/startondbus/+merge/167632
[23:40] <slangasek> ogra: is there a master bzr branch for lxc-android-config?  (it's not in debian/control)


[09:37] <jussi01> Do we currently have a leader?
[11:57] <ScottL> jussi01, my answer would be, "effectively, no."
[14:02] <jussi01> ScottL: thats what I thought...
[14:02] <jussi01> can haz leader pls kthxbai
[14:03] <rlameiro> good morning
[14:03] <rlameiro> does anyone had the same thing? after install, ubuntustudio didnft installed either network manager either wicd?
[14:11] <jussi01> rlameiro: thats right.
[14:11] <jussi01> rlameiro: everyone should have that.
[14:11] <jussi01> iirc, its available for install on the DVD, but not installed by default.
[14:11] <rlameiro> should i file a bug on thet?
[14:11] <jussi01> no
[14:11] <jussi01> Its intentional
[14:12] <rlameiro> intentional?
[14:12] <jussi01> Ubuntustudio machines are meant to be offline.
[14:13] <rlameiro> jussi01: i understand that if you want to use it for music production, but what about multimedia performances
[14:13] <rlameiro> there are alot of things that need networking
[14:13] <jussi01> rlameiro: thats why it is on the dvd.
[14:13] <rlameiro> for example puredata using netsen/netreceive
[14:14] <jussi01> So you dont have to somehow get online with out it.
[14:14] <rlameiro> or for example OSC
[14:14] <jussi01> rlameiro: yes, I dont doubt there are applications that need it.
[14:15] <rlameiro> i dont have a problem installing it, it is easy, and i have done it for  past releases, but it should be friendlyer for the firstcomers
[14:16] <jussi01> rlameiro: the normal usecase doesnt need it.
[14:16] <rlameiro> jussi01: ok, so what would be the normal use cas?
[14:16] <rlameiro> case*
[14:17] <rlameiro> is it an Audio Production unit?
[14:55] <scott-work> lol jussi01 "can haz.."
[14:57] <scott-work> rlameiro: I wasn't part of the decision making on this but this is how I view it
[14:57] <scott-work> using the assumption that it was installed by default first
[14:58] <scott-work> it makes it a no-brainer for people who need wifi, but it might make someone unaware about it recording audio to loose audio (which is lost forever)
[14:58] <rlameiro> well, i really dont think that the majority of the useres use ubuntustudio in a sandbox
[14:58] <rlameiro> a lot of people use it on their laptops
[14:58] <jussi01> rlameiro: thats not the feedback we received.
[14:59] <scott-work> in the other case (not installed by default) people who need it can always install it from disc and the audio recording guy will not miss audio, so if weighing consequences this seems a prudent solution right now
[14:59] <rlameiro> maybe we should try to have some kind of info retrieval , to have an idea of how many users exist, and what they use the system for
[15:00] <jussi01> rlameiro: would be nice........
[15:00] <scott-work> i have too considered using Studio on a laptop, but it was to be used as portable recording for jamming with the band
[15:00] <rlameiro> as I said before, i dont have a problem with it, i can installit myself easily.
[15:00] <rlameiro> scott-work: i used ubuntustudio as my primary computer
[15:00] <rlameiro> and it performs very well
[15:01] <rlameiro> when i need to do intensive audio i just go to the panel and disconnect wireless networking
[15:01] <rlameiro> it is much easier
[15:01] <rlameiro> bu that is me
[15:02] <rlameiro> i dont make "studio" work often
[15:02] <rlameiro> maybe this come in the idea some of had before, to add different choice to ubuntustudio
[15:03] <rlameiro> like multimedia or Unimedia packages
[15:03] <rlameiro> things like pd-extended, arduino, processing etc
[15:04] <rlameiro> but anyway, maybe the best solution is to make a PDF file and put it on the desktop when you first boot
[15:04] <scott-work> if the dev and community base for ubuntu studio was bigger then that would be fantastic (different flavours of studio), but currently i fear we are on the precipice of falling apart
[15:04] <rlameiro> and inform the users that they can install networking making this and setting audio preferences like that etc
[15:05] <rlameiro> can it be done for this release?
[15:05] <rlameiro> or the feature freeze doesnt allow it?
[15:08] <rlameiro> scott-work: what would be needed to the ubuntustudio stay afloat?
[15:09] <rlameiro> more devs? what kind of devs?
[15:09] <rlameiro> I can try to recruit some people
[15:43] <scott-work> rlameiro: my thought is that additional knowledgeable devs are needed, specifically:
[15:43] <scott-work> someone who knows how ISOs are made and can troubleshoot when things aren't built correclty (uninstalable binaries, etc)
[15:43] <scott-work> someone who udnerstands themes and how they are created (including metacity and murrine engine)
[15:44] <scott-work> someoen to give the project a direction (stochastic and I did that somewhat with a push for lv2 packages for lucid)
[15:44] <scott-work> someone as a community liaison to communicate with the community
[15:44] <scott-work> document lead to help create what the community needs to use and help us
[15:45] <rlameiro> well, i cant design good, lol
[15:45] <rlameiro> but I can help on making some help files
[15:45] <rlameiro> and be on the forums and IRC
[15:45] <scott-work> also a testing lead who knowlegably understand what tests are needed and can community to the community (and other devs) what to do and how to document it
[15:46] <scott-work> rlameiro: showing a presence on the forums and IRC is as important as well and thank you for doing it :)
[15:46] <rlameiro> maybe we should push some call for help
[15:47] <rlameiro> I could try to get into some podcast for them to ask for help
[15:47] <rlameiro> maybe opensource musicians podcast
[15:47] <rlameiro> or linux outlaws?
[15:47] <rlameiro> what do you think about the idea?
[15:48] <rlameiro> and maybe we need also some webdesign help
[15:49] <scott-work> those suggestions echo what I have been thinking (although I forgot about OSM) but I was hoping we could be organized about it though
[15:50] <rlameiro> ok
[15:50] <scott-work> i have other suggestions as well but I wanted to clearly organized them and then present them to others
[15:50] <rlameiro> I can speak directly with the OSM host
[15:50] <rlameiro> and one of the OSM host speak regularly with the linuxoutlaws host
[15:51] <scott-work> yes, i heard your podcast interview with them :)    hopefully, other interviews can be scheduled with other podcasts as well
[15:51] <rlameiro> i am in the moment in #ubuntu-artwork to see if someone is interested in making art for US
[15:55] <scott-work> new artwork for lucid may be too late at this point, but we can always use it later though
[15:57] <rlameiro> scott-work: I think one problem for ubuntustudio is the release schedule
[15:57] <rlameiro> is to fast, so i think internally people should aim maybe for feature in yearly basis
[15:58] <rlameiro> like making an intremediate release and a big realease
[15:58] <rlameiro> like art work , themes and other things ike that
[15:59] <rlameiro> makingnew themes every 6 months for ubuntustudio is difficult with a small artwork team
[16:02] <scott-work> there had been disucssion about limited new artwork for just new releases or something similar (i wasn't part of that either, i've just read IRC chatter about it)
[16:02] <scott-work> s/limited/limiting
[16:02] <rlameiro> ok
[16:02] <scott-work> s/new/LTS
[16:02] <rlameiro> so it is not new
[16:02] <rlameiro> yea, LTS versoins should have a new version indeed
[16:03] <scott-work> sorry English is my native language and speak (or type it) so poorly sometimes in haste
[16:03] <scott-work> discussion had been to limit new artwork or themes to LTS versions only
[16:03] <scott-work> that is what I believe
[16:06] <rlameiro> I like that idea
[16:06] <rlameiro> well we should try to work to have it at least for the next release
[16:07] <rlameiro> and then concentrate on new features and correcting problems
[16:07] <rlameiro> I am thinking in making a kind of ubuntustudio Config panel
[16:08] <rlameiro> something with ubuntustudio controls + another things
[16:08] <rlameiro> maybe using the script that  archlinux has for audio
[16:08] <rlameiro> with some preconfigured things
[16:08] <rlameiro> like networking yes/no
[16:08] <rlameiro> kernel RT
[16:09] <rlameiro> software outside ubunturepos etc
[16:09] <rlameiro> It will be made in python
[16:10] <rlameiro> but for now, what i think is more pressing for the community side of the thing is have a more dynamic website
[16:10] <rlameiro> maybe with showcase, screencast
[16:10] <rlameiro> how tos
[16:10] <rlameiro> etc
[16:10] <rlameiro> i know most of this thing does exist, but arent on the ubuntustudio webpage
[16:10] <scott-work> absolutely, screencasts and how tos are good ideas
[16:11] <rlameiro> it would help if it was
[16:11] <scott-work> i thought about an online jukebox to feature studio made audio
[16:11] <rlameiro> so maybe we need desperatly a web designer/scripter ASAP
[16:11] <rlameiro> packager cant do all the work
[16:12] <scott-work> very true
[16:12] <rlameiro> i am very bad on that, i am strgling to make my own drupal website
[16:12] <scott-work> heh, done that same and stalled
[16:12] <rlameiro> but i think that ultimately the problem relyes on the ubuntustudio exposure
[16:13] <rlameiro> even for canonical
[16:13] <rlameiro> if exist more exposure, maybe they wil assign someone of the team to help
[16:16] <scott-work> i'm hoping to evelate ubuntu studio's "presence"
[16:17] <rlameiro> who is in charge of the webpage at the moment?
[16:17] <scott-work> hopefully this will increase community use and support (testing, bug reporting, transitioning to developers)
[16:17] <scott-work> cory was and I think stochastic is sort-of at the moment
[16:18] <scott-work> stochastic was supposed to set up a meeting for those interesting including detrate who expressed interest and had been working on a few things
[16:18] <scott-work> but it hasn't happened lately, stochastic hasn't been very involved lately
[16:19] <scott-work> re: python and ubuntustudio config panel - i like the idea of adding functionality to ubuntustudio-controls and some of your ideas i think should be addressed
[16:20] <scott-work> perhaps a rewrite of the UI and addition of functionality is in order
[16:20] <scott-work> i would suggest, however, to incorporate it into the ubuntustudio-controls package as it is already in the archives
[16:20] <rlameiro> well, i will try to make some knd of mock up of the ui for people review
[16:20] <rlameiro> yes of course
[16:21] <rlameiro> i will be ubuntustudio controls, it has no logic otherwise
[16:21] <rlameiro> there is a package a ppa etc
[16:38] <scott-work> rlameiro: can you come up with a list of functions or features you think should be included in ubuntustudio-controls (wireless, etc) in addition to it's present functions?
[16:39] <rlameiro> in PDF?
[16:39] <rlameiro> scott-work: or in some wiki?
[16:40] <scott-work> you might also look at this to see if it generates any ideas as well    http://www.sandgreen.dk/index.php?side=python_uat
[16:41] <rlameiro> scott-work: I also speaked with the Opensourcemusicinas podcast for some caal for help
[16:41] <scott-work> i would like to use this list so gather other's thoughts and ideas as well so I would suggest mailing the -dev list
[16:41] <rlameiro> they will squeeze it into some next podcast
[16:42] <scott-work> it would frustrating to work in isolation and complete it only to have someone say, "oh, you should have added this really awesome feature also!"
[16:42] <rlameiro> of course
[16:49] <rlameiro> I think i saw somewhere on the forums some app for setting ausio optionsoptions
[16:49] <rlameiro> i am not sure if it was this or not
[16:49] <rlameiro> i will need to digg it up
[16:54] <scott-work> rlameiro: i also want you to be aware that some of your suggestions may be rejected for reasons that you may not agree with, but we have to work within the collective group
[16:54] <rlameiro> scott-work: I am no a pro coder
[16:54] <rlameiro> far from that
[16:55] <rlameiro> and i will accept the different views of everyone
[16:55] <scott-work> it's not the coding, there are politics involved as well, just like getting JACK into the main was a laborious process when most Studio involved people thought it should have been a given
[17:01] <rlameiro> yeap, that was a hard one
[17:02] <scott-work> but I am encouraged by and support your enthusiasm.  I look forward to reading your suggestions and seeing what the group will offer by way of suggestions, moderations or criticisms
[18:01] <scott-work> I couldn't get jack-beat to work in lucid alpha3 and beta1, will someone else try as well before I file a bug?  I tried the -testers mail list but no one has replied (and I don't think they will)
[18:28] <rlameiro> scott-work: https://files.one.ubuntu.com/q19pn6SnQ8W3SuEIVr2QfA
[18:29] <scott-work> heh, i'm at work, rlameiro, using windows, i'll get that when I get home
[18:29] <rlameiro> https://files.one.ubuntu.com/XG8iE4f-SPy04uiFb9EFPw
[18:29] <rlameiro> get this one
[18:29] <rlameiro> pdf
[18:29] <rlameiro> the other is a inkscape SVG
[18:30] <rlameiro> where can i put this to the other to see?
[18:30] <rlameiro> and comment?
[18:30] <rlameiro> is it there some blueprints on ubuntustudio controls?
[18:32] <scott-work> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls
[18:32] <scott-work> but posting to the -dev mail list is still a really good idea to make people informed about it, they will not check here without nofitication
[18:33] <rlameiro> ok
[18:37] <scott-work> rlameiro: this page has a good guide for UI under 1)    https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/+spec/intrepid-ui-redesign
[18:38] <scott-work> maybe divide the UI for new users and experienced/advanced users (even just visually and not with an 'advanced' button that shows more options)
[18:38] <scott-work> but if we had a list of features or options then we could see about categorizing them
[18:39] <rlameiro> the idea is to have a list of general settings on the left and then the real setting on the right
[18:39] <rlameiro> it coiuld be implemented on the right
[18:39] <rlameiro> maybe like the VLC settingss
[18:52] <rlameiro> mail sended to the mailing list
[18:52] <rlameiro> this is maybe a mater to the dev mailing listvonly isnt it?
[18:52] <rlameiro> if not i can post it also to the user list
[18:53] <scott-work> i'd suggest we hit the -dev group first for sanity then maybe later send a prototype to the -user list for suggestions maybe
[18:55] <rlameiro> ok
[21:31] <rexium> hey troy_s
[21:31] <troy_s> Greets rexium
[21:31] <troy_s> Sup?
[21:32] <rexium> Lots, I'm going to graduate in June :)
[21:32] <rexium> troy_s: what's new with you?
[21:32] <troy_s> rexium: Congrats on the graduation!
[21:32] <troy_s> rexium: I have a photoshoot for ex-Skinny Puppy types.
[21:33]  * rexium googles Skinny Puppy
[21:33] <troy_s> rexium: C'mon.
[21:33] <troy_s> rexium: If you know NIN you should know Skinny Puppy
[21:33] <rexium> troy_s: lol, you think too highly of me
[21:33] <rexium> I'll check them out
[21:34] <rexium> but that's really cool
[21:35] <rexium> troy_s: i've been super out of touch with ubuntu studio, have you been involved at all?
[21:35] <troy_s> rexium: Never really been involved with studio.
[21:46] <rexium> troy_s: ever want to take on art direction ;)
[21:50] <troy_s> rexium: It's a helluva lot of work.
[21:51] <troy_s> rexium: And my time has been horrible.
[21:51] <rexium> troy_s: good busy I hope :)
[21:51] <troy_s> rexium: Yes and no.
[22:04] <scott-work> troy_s: wow, i used to listen to skinny puppy in '86 or '87
[22:05] <scott-work> vivasect or something like that was the album
[22:08] <scott-work> troy_s: i'm still working my way through the index you suggested, it's bloody amazing, it all makes sense but it's stuff that i've never been concious of before
[22:08] <troy_s> scott-work: Glad to hear it.
[22:09] <troy_s> scott-work: And yes... Skinny Puppy's roots go deep. The band I am shooting is Willhelm's offshoot with ties to Chemlab / Ministry / etc.
[22:10] <troy_s> scott-work: So you finding JK's index good reading? Have you started in on Visual Literacy yet? The latter is likely right what you were looking for and the exercises are very interesting.
[22:14] <scott-work> troy_s: i've look at it a bit, poked into different parts, it's equally fascinating to "cheat" and look at other people's answers (I have the edition with other's work in it apparently)
[22:15] <troy_s> scott-work: I think the point that is missed is that it is really entirely about language. 1) Art and design is language 2) Art and design is ever shifting. The language changes depending on context / culture etc. Just as we didn't have LOL or Google a few years ago, so too it is with A&D.
[22:16] <troy_s> scott-work: So when the chumps in our culture say things like "everyone" and such it is really unfortunate. Rather like cooking food for everyone or writing a book or even just saying 'hello'. The simplicity of the desire is met with the complexity of reality.
[22:16] <scott-work> troy_s: hmm, that put's a different perspective on what i'm reading, but it's too much for me at this point - like asking a blind man what colors he sees at his first glimpse at the world
[22:17] <scott-work> troy_s: i'll have to finish reading then go back and review it with that in mind, right now I'm just understand and trying to appreciate the mundane aspects of it
[22:17] <scott-work> i'm an a&d challenged , heh
[22:21] <scott-work> troy_s:  here's something I created for something I'm working on        http://imagebin.org/90787
[22:23] <scott-work> troy_s: I meant the ubuntu studio symbol in the upper right
[22:24] <troy_s> scott-work: If there were one overarching thing that I could say about Ubuntu it (not not relevant) would be to avoid the typeface at all costs. It always has been one of the most homebrew nasty things out there. Nearly _any_ choice other than it would elevate work immediately.
[22:24] <troy_s> scott-work: Utterly frightening how pervasive it ended up.
[22:25] <scott-work> troy_s: lol, i can do that!  it's also my first foray into Inkscape which is bleeding awesome!  I've dropped GIMP now.
[23:03] <troy_s> rexium: Check out my LinkedIn connects.
[23:03] <troy_s> rexium: You will laugh.


[21:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm trying to compile a subset of Hardy from source, then debootstrap the result
[21:54] <seb_kuzminsky> it's working pretty well, but...
[21:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm confused by Priorities
[21:55] <seb_kuzminsky> in the official ubuntu repo, many binary packages have Priorities that differ from the Priorities of their source packages
[21:55] <seb_kuzminsky> when i compile a source package (in a hardy pbuilder), the resulting .debs have Priorities that differ from the Priority of the official .debs
[21:56] <seb_kuzminsky> for example, ubuntu-minimal.deb has "Priority: important" in the ubuntu.com repo
[21:56] <seb_kuzminsky> but the control file in the matching ubuntu-meta source package has "Priority: optional", and so do the .debs i build from it
[21:56] <seb_kuzminsky> so debootstrap doesnt pull it in by default :-(
[21:56] <seb_kuzminsky> what am i doing wrong?


[00:00] <GefilteFish> Can someone help me fix this "boot device not found 3f0" error? What I did was delete my EFI partition now I'm stuck with a bricked laptop with Xubuntu installed, but inaccessible. All the Linux distros I've tried on a LiveUSB won't boot. Super Grub2 Disk is the only exception but it's kind of useless. I can use it to get to Xubuntu's terminal though.
[02:00] <SJr> Hmmmm I tried install nvidia drivers from some website that I found and now after rebooting X won't start.
[02:24] <beast> hi
[04:32] <beast> anyone know a way to get a stylus to work on a toshiba laptop running kubuntu 14.04, the wacom-tools package is no longer available and everything I've found points to that package :(
[08:47] <gino__> ciao
[08:48] <gino__> film
[09:39] <martinpaprika> hallo ????
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:21] <mfeiz> Hi. I just finished with minimal setting customization on a new kubuntu 15.04 install a while ago. If I switch akonadi db backend from mysql to sqlite now, what would I need to re-do again?
[14:33] <kirk_> Konversation is pretty, almost as nice as weechat
[14:35] <kirk_> Konversation is pretty, almost as nice as weechat
[15:21] <BadLuckRyan> Hello, can someone walk me through how to recreate my EFI partition? I deleted it by accident but found a way to make one with GParted. I have a workaround to get to Xubuntu desktop but when my laptop boots normally I get "boot device not found 3f0".   Basically, i need to repopulate the /boot/efi/ path
[15:23] <BluesKaj> !uefi
[15:24] <BadLuckRyan> Ok thanks
[15:31] <BadLuckRyan> Is it possible to repopulate my EFI partition via command line?
[15:31] <BadLuckRyan> Because i can't reinstall my OS via live USB.. It jist wont boot
[15:34] <BluesKaj> BadLuckRyan, try the legacy mode with secure boot disabled in the uefi/bios
[15:35] <BluesKaj> BadLuckRyan, and the usb as first in the boot sequence
[15:36] <BadLuckRyan> I've tried that numerous times unless theres a specific way to enter 'legacy mode'. I just press F10 and get to the BIOS
[15:55] <BluesKaj> BadLuckRyan, in the uefi/bios look for the uefi in the "Boot" section of the efi/bios and click it to change to legacy
[16:04] <BadLuckRyan> Yea my laptops completely bricked now. And there is no legacy mode option in my BIOS. Using a Pavilion x2
[16:05] <RobertJDohnert> The Pavilion x2 has a legacy mode
[16:09] <RobertJDohnert> BadLuckRyan its under Secureboot Configuration
[16:13] <BadLuckRyan> Maybe im blind. So i press F10 which takes me to my "Setup Utility" (BIOS right?)
[16:13] <BadLuckRyan> Go over to System Configuration
[16:13] <BadLuckRyan> 'Boot Options'
[16:13] <RobertJDohnert> Right and you should have something that says
[16:13] <RobertJDohnert> Secureboot configuration
[16:14] <BadLuckRyan> I only have the option to Enable and Disable it
[16:14] <BadLuckRyan> There are two blacked out options under it that say "Platform Key" & "Pending Action"
[16:15] <RobertJDohnert> When you disable it thats legacy mode
[16:16] <BadLuckRyan> Oh, well that doesn't help because it's been disabled
[16:17] <RobertJDohnert> Once its been disabled you dont need to use GPT formatting
[16:17] <RobertJDohnert> Legacy Mode does NOT recognize GPT formatting
[16:18] <RobertJDohnert> If your drive is larger than 2 TB's you need to partition it off
[16:21] <BluesKaj> uefi isn't cooperating with his usb boot on which he has a kubuntu image to install
[16:22] <RobertJDohnert> And he toasted his drive
[16:23] <BluesKaj> how? , we didn't suggest any partitioning
[16:24] <RobertJDohnert> He just said the thing wqas a brick
[16:25] <RobertJDohnert> Is it a good key? because with Secure boot disabled it should start
[16:25] <BluesKaj> well, that's because his boot sequence wasn't set up to boot usb first afaik
[16:26] <OerHeks> maybe fastboot is enabled, that can cause trouble too
[16:26] <BadLuckRyan> My os is completely wiped now
[16:27] <BluesKaj> yeah OerHeks, good point
[16:27] <BadLuckRyan> Theres nothing left. No linux-swap, efi, or OS
[16:27] <BluesKaj> BadLuckRyan, how do you know?
[16:28] <BadLuckRyan> I did put USB first on the list
[16:28] <BluesKaj> did you use the live media to wipe it
[16:29] <BadLuckRyan> Because i can boot up Super Grub2 Disk & i can see that my OS is no longer bootable
[16:29] <BadLuckRyan> Linux-swap may still be lingering around
[16:29] <BluesKaj> which OS?
[16:30] <BadLuckRyan> Theres something about Super Grub2 Disk thats allowed to boot via USB while others just cant
[16:30] <BadLuckRyan> Kubuntu
[16:31] <BluesKaj> do you have a windows install ?
[16:31] <BadLuckRyan> I have nothing now.. I just need something thats bootable
[16:31] <BadLuckRyan> No, no windows either
[16:32] <RobertJDohnert> Well you can always go download the Windows 10 preview
[16:32] <BluesKaj> did you have ? and /home partitions ?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> oops / amd /home
[16:34] <BadLuckRyan> I dont think its that easy. Windows 10 probably wont boot from liveUSB
[16:34] <BadLuckRyan> I dont know BluesKaj
[16:36] <BadLuckRyan> Im just stuck on "Boot Device Not Found 3f0" and the only thing that can actually boot via liveUSB is Super Grub2 Disk. I tried Ubuntu, Manjaro, OpenSuse, etc to no avail.
[16:36] <OerHeks> If win10 would not boot from usb, surface guys going to cry
[16:39] <ascot> hello there, is it possible to prevent screen locking in Kubuntu 15.04 while playing youtube or flash players (twitch) in fullscreen or not? I already tried caffeine but didin't work
[16:39] <RobertJDohnert> Actually Windows 10 does boot from USB I installed it on an envy from USB
[16:39] <RobertJDohnert> You need a USB creator https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[16:40] <RobertJDohnert> ascot, no 15.04 uses Plasma 5 Beta and currently there is nothing that works
[16:40] <RobertJDohnert> Thats why most people have gone back down to 14.10 or 14.04
[16:42] <ascot> oh I see, guess I'll just have to increase the time, thanks for the quick answer!
[16:42] <RobertJDohnert> You can try mucking with your power and display options but the problem being that those settings will be permanent until you change them
[16:43] <RobertJDohnert> Plasma 5 makes me want to use Unity sometimes
[16:44] <BluesKaj> I miss the different wallpapers on each virtual desktop
[16:45] <RobertJDohnert> I feel bad for BadLuckRyan
[16:45] <BluesKaj> can't assign them anymore, each VD uses the same background
[16:47] <BluesKaj> I wonder if he actually lost his OS , I think i he went back to uefi mode the boot flag will reappear on that  partition
[16:47] <BluesKaj> i=if
[16:48] <MoonUnit`> i can't use a clean configs in plasma5, folder mode always switches to my smaller 2nd monitor. have to copy settings over from one i made in rc1.
[16:53] <MoonUnit`> a frustrating bug me for
[17:05] <caos> Has anyone tried to change icons by adding a new folder to /usr/share/icons in 15.04?? I had a bad time trying it.
[19:27] <Naphatul> how do i get thumbnails for video files back? i'm on 15.04
[20:33] <Voyage> I plugged in a usb disk but dolphin is not showing it. what should I do? it used to auto mount it even in the past.
[20:39] <BluesKaj> Voyage, open the partition editor and mount it there
[21:05] <Ninjahmahs> is there any way to get firefox to be less teary using a gtx 970 and proprietary drivers from nvidia?
[21:07] <BluesKaj> Ninjahmahs, why not use the recommended drivers?
[21:07] <Voyage> my desktop isnt just loading. I see no taskbar and no wallpaper. xhcat just popup up so I am able to chat here. Tried rebooting too. same
[21:08] <Voyage> anyhelp?
[21:09] <BluesKaj> Voyage, do you have a terminal ? if not drop to the tty/vt and update and upgrade
[21:10] <Voyage> yes
[21:10] <Voyage> ok
[21:11] <BluesKaj> no need to use the VT if you have a terminal availble on the desktop
[21:12] <Etriaph> Can someone test if KSysGuard reports no IO on /dev/sr0 when you're reading/writing to a CD/DVD/BRD?
[21:12] <Etriaph> On 15.04 w/Plasma 5.3 PPA
[21:16] <Voyage> BluesKaj,  no use
[21:16] <Voyage> same again
[21:16] <Voyage> after upgrade
[21:18] <BluesKaj> Voyage, which graphics chip/gpu?
[21:18] <Voyage> intel
[21:18] <Ninjahmahs> BluesKaj i am using the recommended drivers???
[21:19] <BluesKaj> nvidia-340 ?  Ninjahmahs
[21:19] <Ninjahmahs> 346
[21:19] <Ninjahmahs> is the recommended in my driver manager
[21:20] <Voyage> BluesKaj,  it was working fine before
[21:20] <Voyage> BluesKaj,  can I just reconfigure kde?
[21:20] <BluesKaj> Voyage, plasma 5.2 or 5.3?
[21:21] <Voyage> lastest
[21:21] <Voyage> not sure
[21:22] <Voyage> but as I upgraded. it should be latest
[21:24] <Zippi> Ninjahmahs, do you have the screen tearing prevention on? If so, try to change OpenGL from 2.0 to 3.1 and back again
[21:24] <Zippi> or the otherway around
[21:25] <Zippi> or change tearing prevention off and on again
[21:25] <Zippi> there are silly fixes that might work
[21:25] <BluesKaj> FF has a new version as well, but it should have have autoupgraded
[21:26] <Ninjahmahs> tearing prevention is on auto
[21:27] <Zippi> I don't think auto works, for me it doesn't help with tearing
[21:27] <Zippi> kinda like, it's not detecting tearing to begin with
[21:27] <BluesKaj> Ninjahmahs, firefox 37.02?
[21:27] <Ninjahmahs> the stock ffox that came with kubuntu 15.04
[21:28] <Ninjahmahs> installed like  1 day ago so the latest version from update
[21:28] <Zippi> I think that would be 38
[21:28] <Ninjahmahs> tbh having set the compositor to either of the open gl modes makes it not tear
[21:28] <Ninjahmahs> it was on xrender before
[21:28] <Zippi> I see
[21:29] <Zippi> Anyway, I think something wonky going on with the compositor and tearing, only if you change some setting, does it start to work
[21:30] <Ninjahmahs> in opengl intwerface option i get glx or elx choice, should i be using one in particular, its defaulted to glx and seems like things are ok
[21:30] <Zippi> glx should be ok
[21:30] <Ninjahmahs> right, i thought it was maybe something to do with noveau getting installed during fresh install
[21:30] <Ninjahmahs> then applying the nvidia drivers after
[21:31] <Ninjahmahs> as i seem to recall that when you use nvidia drivers a lot of people have suggested purging noveau afterwards or at least blacklisting, and im a bit new to linux
[21:31] <Zippi> I'm quite new too, though haven't heard about that
[21:32] <Zippi> I would expect the driver manager to purge the noveau while installing the nvidia one though
[21:32] <Ninjahmahs> not sure if its still relevant but yeah some people were finding having both noveau drivers and nvidia drivers around would cause issues sometimes
[21:32] <Ninjahmahs> yeah maybe it does in newer versions of ubuntu base
[21:32] <Zippi> I think I can check if I still have it
[21:33] <Ninjahmahs> like installing kubuntu 15.04 was the first time that when i clicked the driver manager it actually had re cognised and offered me the proprietary drivers as an optiong, mint had a no drivers installed message
[21:33] <Ninjahmahs> and was a right run around
[21:37] <Zippi> it does seem I still have the nouveau driver installed
[21:38] <Ninjahmahs> if you google about a little, you will see a lot of people find purging nouveau helps when using nvidia drivers
[21:38] <Ninjahmahs> although im not sure how that is on this version of ubuntu base
[21:39] <Zippi> yeah, I'll do some research
[21:40] <Ninjahmahs> odd i cant seem to get these to install
[21:40] <Ninjahmahs> The packages containing debug information for the following application and libraries are missing:
[21:40] <Ninjahmahs> /usr/bin/plasmashell
[21:40] <Ninjahmahs> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5
[21:40] <Ninjahmahs> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms/libqxcb.so
[21:41] <Ninjahmahs> and another 4 similar
[21:41] <Ninjahmahs> cant send this bug report as it isnt good enough without those installed but it wont let me install them *shrugs*
[21:41] <Grokling> So, on the nvidia topic - I've found that kubuntu 15.04 blacklists nouveau with nvidia is installed/chosen. The Nouveau driver is working better for me at the moment anyway (I have two cards, four screens)
[21:42] <Ninjahmahs> fair, i dont even really need the nvidia drivers i guess
[21:42] <Ninjahmahs> i mean im only really using linux for compiling (or practicing to) android roms
[21:43] <Zippi> I don't think I tried the nouveau myself either
[21:43] <Zippi> just went with the recommended right away
[21:43] <Ninjahmahs> i notice the recommended is not the latest version as well
[21:43] <Grokling> I tried the nvidia driver, and it broke stuff - four screens = xinerama, and xinerama is well past it's use-by date now. The NVIDIA driver only exposed one GPU to xrandr, so that was a deal breaker.
[21:43] <Ninjahmahs> nvidia site offers 346.72 kubuntu suggests 346.59
[21:45] <Grokling> I'm well impressed with the kubuntu auto-configuration stuff with nouveau. This is the first distro I've found that will, out of the box, spin up all four of my screens without me having to mess around with drivers, xorg.conf etc. etc.
[21:47] <Ninjahmahs> yeh i was quite impressed with my fresh install with kubuntu
[21:47] <Ninjahmahs> fyi
[21:47] <Ninjahmahs> if people come in saying they are getting random reboots, ask them if they are on an asus motherboard
[21:47] <Ninjahmahs> if they are tell them to google anti-surge protection asus bios setting
[21:47] <Ninjahmahs> :P
[21:48] <Ninjahmahs> it really hates linux and acpi
[21:48] <Ninjahmahs> like a lot
[21:48] <Grokling> asus, only with a very long stick for me now.
[21:50] <Ninjahmahs> learning that myself
[21:50] <Ninjahmahs> although their gtx line is actually pretty solid for me so far
[21:52] <Grokling> Ninjahmahs: Can you have a quick look in libreoffice and see if you're getting tooltips? I get the boxes appear, but no words.
[21:52] <Ninjahmahs> sec
[21:53] <Grokling> not sure if it's graphics, themes, libreoffice or something else!
[21:53] <Ninjahmahs> so u mean as in when i hover over any button on the ribbons?
[21:53] <Ninjahmahs> as im getting text fine
[21:53] <Grokling> I also had no mouse cursor until I dropped back to the xrender compositor.
[21:54] <Grokling> Yeah, valid test. I get just grey boxes hovering the ribbon buttons.
[21:54] <Ninjahmahs> shows for me in any libre app
[21:55] <Ninjahmahs> file bug report
[21:55] <Ninjahmahs> might be nouveau specific
[21:55] <Grokling> Just me then. Dumb. Sometimes I wish I was mainstream!
[21:55] <Ninjahmahs> lol
[21:56] <Ninjahmahs> im only mainstream on the nvidia driver, just figure its going to best utilise the gfx card tbh
[21:56] <Ninjahmahs> specially with the newer cards
[21:56] <Ninjahmahs> maxwell and linux = issues in general from what im told
[21:58] <Grokling> Yeah, tempting, but I'm on a pair of GT210s, and they are basic at best (but solid state, so quiet, with two outputs from each) It's the fact that the NVIDIA driver only exposes one interface to xrandr that stops me using it.
[21:58] <Grokling> I can run the NVIDIA driver fine, but only get two screens for my trouble.
[21:58] <Ninjahmahs> yeh im on a gtx 970
[21:58] <Ninjahmahs> the asus direct cu cooling is basically silent
[21:59] <Ninjahmahs> coolers dont kick in until 60 degrees
[21:59] <Grokling> My GPUs never get over 45, and that's pure heatsink goodness.
[21:59] <Ninjahmahs> although coil whine happens here and there especially on less intensive games as the frame rates go crazy high in menus and cause the whine to be quite noticeable
[22:01] <Zippi> hmm, this feels ridiculous
[22:02] <Zippi> I went to nouveau, it really didn't work well for me
[22:02] <Ninjahmahs> ?
[22:02] <Zippi> now I got back to the recommended driver and now everything just werks
[22:02] <Ninjahmahs> gpu model?
[22:02] <Zippi> no tearing, pretty smooth as well
[22:02] <Zippi> GTX 770
[22:03] <Ninjahmahs> yeh so maxwell chip
[22:03] <Ninjahmahs> basically anything maxwell is almost "too new" for linux right now, hence why i sticking with the nvid drivers
[22:04] <Zippi> my laptop worked well right away, with both nouveau and nvidia one
[22:04] <Zippi> it was kinda driving me insane that I got better experience on laptop than desktop
[22:05] <Zippi> but now it seems okay
[22:05] <Grokling> Zippi: Same experience for me.. laptop is perfect. Reckon the devs work on their laptops mostly?
[22:06] <Ninjahmahs> well that and laptop cards arent released in as fast models as desktops
[22:07] <Zippi> yeah, my laptop is from 2011 anyway
[22:08] <Ninjahmahs> fair
[22:08] <Zippi> with that, there's been plenty of years to get things supported
[22:08] <Ninjahmahs> lol grokling my gtx 970 is sitting at 39 in linux
[22:09] <Zippi> in the kernel level at least
[22:09] <Ninjahmahs> if i bench it in window on unigine that goes to around maybe 60
[22:09] <Ninjahmahs> but even there the fans dont move
[22:09] <Ninjahmahs> unless i oc and bump the fidelity up a fair chunk
[22:12] <Grokling> Hmm. Now I'm curious. I'm going to grab the valley benchmark and see what kinda dismal score I can get on the GT210 Nouveau combo..
[22:12] <Ninjahmahs> Xd
[22:12] <Ninjahmahs> i wish i could play mkx in linux without setting up a vm of windows
[22:13] <Ninjahmahs> i would have like no need to run windows at all
[22:13] <Grokling> +1
[22:13] <Grokling> After it shutdown for updates in the middle of a VERY important video conference..  Last straw!
[22:14] <Ninjahmahs> windows is soooooo boring, like no customisation without using really shady 3rd party softwares, and its just.... i dunno it just feels like im borrowing my computer
[22:14] <Grokling> You won't catch linux pulling that crap!
[22:14] <Ninjahmahs> to be fair my windows wouldnt do that either, as i have updates always set to ask me if i even want them downloaded at best
[22:15] <Ninjahmahs> auto updates is scourge of life
[22:15] <Grokling> I thought I did too.. apparently I'd fobbed it off one time too many.
[22:15] <Ninjahmahs> but yeh windows does dumb stuff like that a lot
[22:15] <Ninjahmahs> lol
[22:15] <Grokling> 'Critical system update' or some junk.
[22:15] <Ninjahmahs> oh lol
[22:16] <Ninjahmahs> so probably some form of anti piracy measures
[22:16] <Ninjahmahs> like half the windows updates always are behind the curtain
[22:16] <Grokling> Some vulnerability no doubt.
[22:16] <Ninjahmahs> oh yeah
[22:16] <Ninjahmahs> they have to leave a back door somewhere
[22:17] <Ninjahmahs> otherwise how could they worry consumers with the malicious internet spiel
[22:17] <Grokling> They built the back door alright. They just forgot to build the wall around it.
[22:17] <Ninjahmahs> instead they built a window in
[22:17] <Ninjahmahs> with no glass
[22:17] <Ninjahmahs> lol
[22:19] <Grokling> Dolphin is pretty crappy... keeps freezing up on me.
[22:19] <Ninjahmahs> i think its more like all the latest versions of everything included together
[22:19] <Ninjahmahs> u on 15.04 or?
[22:20] <Grokling> yeah 15.04 x64
[22:20] <Ninjahmahs> yeh i mean im getting crashy stuff here and there
[22:20] <Ninjahmahs> like just now the main menu panel crashed out
[22:20] <Ninjahmahs> and reset itself
[22:20] <Ninjahmahs> then i tried to report the bug and it wouldnt download the debug stuff for it as it said it couldnt
[22:21] <Ninjahmahs> basically everything in this build is like too new :P
[22:22] <Grokling> Dolphin borks regularly. I get mouse glitches mid move, tooltips are broken in libre, and I have to use xrender compositing so I can see the mouse cursor. BUT my screens all work. I was on Mint, but kernel update, and mesa update broke my graphics completely. Couldn't not update because Chrome needed updating so I could remote-debug, then the new chrome was crashing the GPU (fixed in later kernel/mesa). And down the rabbit hole I went!
[22:23] <Ninjahmahs> good thing is us being on it and trying to bug report as many crashes as happen means it gets fixed :) eventually
[22:23] <Grokling> What's the process for reporting bugs with Kubuntu?
[22:23] <Ninjahmahs> generally it seems any time something crashes u get a notify in the system panel
[22:24] <Ninjahmahs> from there its click continue and check boxes
[22:24] <Ninjahmahs> although for me just now it couldnt even install the debug packages it needed to get the bug reports high enough to send a worthy report lol
[22:24] <Ninjahmahs> so even thats buggy as of now
[22:24] <Zippi> I think it needs "debug symbols" for good reporting
[22:24] <Ninjahmahs> ^^
[22:25] <Ninjahmahs> which wouldnt install for me
[22:25] <Zippi> and I think there was a way to download them manually, since the bug report seems to fail with it sometimes
 odd i cant seem to get these to install
[22:25] <Ninjahmahs> [22:40] <Ninjahmahs> The packages containing debug information for the following application and libraries are missing:
[22:25] <Ninjahmahs> [22:40] <Ninjahmahs> /usr/bin/plasmashell
[22:25] <Ninjahmahs> [22:40] <Ninjahmahs> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5
[22:25] <Ninjahmahs> [22:40] <Ninjahmahs> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms/libqxcb.so
[22:26] <Ninjahmahs> and yes it would not download the required packages plus im too noob to know how on my own
[22:26] <Ninjahmahs> XD
[22:27] <Grokling> That doesn't help when stuff is not crashing, but is not usable!  Yeah, the symbols stuff fails for me too.
[22:28] <Ninjahmahs> is there a kubuntu-help
[22:28] <Ninjahmahs> like mints?
[22:29] <Ninjahmahs> lol my panel keeps freezing too
[22:29] <Ninjahmahs> XD
[22:29] <Ninjahmahs> in fact it has now just completely frozen
[22:29] <Grokling> Bleeding edge.
[22:29] <Ninjahmahs> yah
[22:30] <Zippi> I found two related links:
[22:30] <Grokling> LTS bleeding edge.
[22:30] <Zippi> https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports#Kubuntu
[22:30] <Zippi> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[22:30] <Ninjahmahs> ah wonderful, i cant even right click desktop
[22:31] <Ninjahmahs> plasma has completely irked out, just installed steam and its now hating me
[22:31] <Zippi> I'd suggest killing plasma / x session or reboot :P
[22:45] <Ninjahmahs> so plasma panel hates steam
[22:46] <Ninjahmahs> just tried to set steam to favourites again and its frozen panel
[22:46] <Ninjahmahs> and cant open term or anything again
[22:46] <Ninjahmahs> gonna wait till steams updated and relog
[22:46] <Ninjahmahs> again..