[19:55] <nosrednaekim> !xinerama
[19:55] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[19:55] <Jared555> thanks
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> Jared555: you should be able to do it without the proprietary drivers...
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> !dualhead
[19:56] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> ^^might be more useful
[19:58] <silverblade> Everything seems really unresponsive :/
[19:58] <silverblade> 70% SI in top now
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> silverblade: run "sudo apt-cache policy xserver-xgl"
[19:58] <silverblade> copying files from a usb disk seems to antagonize it
[19:58] <silverblade> i would if this terminal window would respond
[19:59] <sigma_1234> !info xmame
[19:59] <ubotu> Package xmame does not exist in gutsy
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> silverblade: go to ctrl+alt+f2
[19:59] <silverblade> nosrednaekim, its not installed.
[20:00] <silverblade> (got there in the end)
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> wow... wierd. sound like its eating memory too
[20:01] <silverblade> hmm?
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> check what your memory usage is.... "free -m"
[20:01] <silverblade> used:1.6gb
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> is that the second line?
[20:02] <nosrednaekim> the first line doesn't count
[20:02] <silverblade> hmm?
[20:02] <silverblade> this is "mem"
[20:02] <silverblade> total: 2027, used: 1632, free: 395
[20:03] <silverblade> cached is 1286 tho
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> ok...
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> thats fine then...
[20:04] <silverblade> i have been doing a lot of file copying as mentioned
[20:04] <drhawk> when i install kubuntu 8.04 with kde4 and do a
[20:04] <drhawk> apt-get upgrade
[20:04] <nosrednaekim> if you restart X, does the CPU usage go back down, then come back up?
[20:04] <drhawk> my wlan is not working anymore
[20:04] <silverblade> not tried that yet
[20:04] <drhawk> knetwork manager throws an exeception and uses 100% cpu
[20:04] <nosrednaekim> drhawk: hardy support is in #ubuntu+1
[20:07] <drhawk> k thx
[20:09] <duval10> bonsoir
[20:09] <duval10> qq pour m'aider à confifurer ma carte graphique
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> !fr
[20:10] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[20:10] <jussio1> !fr | duval10
[20:10] <ubotu> duval10: please see above
[20:10] <jussio1> bah
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> XD
[20:10] <prince_jammys> fr!
[20:24] <silverblade> ok ive done a reboot
[20:24] <silverblade> still being pestered by high % of SI in top
[20:28] <Artimus> Are the .deb files for the nvidia or ATI restricted drivers on the Kubuntu CD's (as in, could someone without an internet connection install them from the CD with the restricted driver manager)?
[20:29] <emilsedgh> no
[20:29] <icewaterman> anyone using links2=
[20:29] <emilsedgh> they are non-free Artimus
[20:30] <silverblade> ...and i also find performance sluggish without compiz on my laptop.
[20:30] <icewaterman> when i try to copy links to clipboard links2 doesnt seem to copy them to the clipboard
[20:30] <emilsedgh> Artimus: so, the answer is a big NO
[20:31] <Artimus> emilsedgh: I know, and that's why the restricted manager is there (even if they legally could be enabled by default, they shouldn't be).  It's just kind of painful for people on dialup to download them every install.
[20:32] <emilsedgh> Artimus: im on dialup and my modem needs restricted drivers and its a pain for me to make it work without a connection (i have to download it using others computers), but i dont want anything non-free on the disc
[20:33] <Artimus> emilsedgh: I don't see the problem with including them on the disk.  They wouldn't be installed as part of core.  Right now, the CDRom is added as an apt-get mirror.  This way, the restricted manager could fetch them from the CD.
[20:34] <dthacker> what's the command to restart networking from the command line?
[20:34] <emilsedgh> Artimus: there are two problems.first is that they couldnt be supported by Ubuntu (and i dont care about this).but main problem (at least from my point of view) is that they are non-free.the official stuff from FOSS should NEVER contain ANYTHING non-free
[20:36] <emilsedgh> Artimus: the hardware vendors are getting better and better.ATI opened up their specs and their 100% Free/Full Functional drivers are coming.NVIDIA will follow them i think (maybe not in near soon, but in a few years...)
[20:36] <Artimus> emilsedgh: I fail to see the difference between "Program automatically pops up saying install this evil driver for better support, download from Ubuntu Servers" and "Program automatically pops up saying install this evil driver for better support, please insert CD"
[20:36] <emilsedgh> also there is a project to create a fully functional driver for nvidia, but i dont know their status
[20:37] <emilsedgh> Artimus: the differrence is that youre distrubuting a non-free thing...
[20:37] <Artimus> They're distributing it regardless.
[20:37] <silverblade> ok this is getting stupid now... i drag a window onto my other monitor and it disappears
[20:37] <emilsedgh> also, people with dialup are not in a high priority
[20:38] <Artimus> What's the difference between putting it on a CD and putting it on your own servers?  Either way, you're offering it to them with the restricted manager
[20:38] <andyt_> any pointers on manual install of sun-java5-jdk?  essentially there's a bug in hardy (and gutsy) java installation that makes it unusable for development.
[20:40] <emilsedgh> Artimus: well, i dindnt understand it too and it was confusing for me, but i dont know what happenned that i changed my mind ;)
[20:40] <Markon> hi all!
[20:40] <emilsedgh> Artimus: but now if a distro gives something non-free, i want it go to hell :D
[20:41] <Artimus> emilsedgh: closed source drivers suck.  But they're not going away anytime soon.    Restricted Manager already encourages the install.  That's already against your non-free policy.  Does it really hurt you to have an unused package on a CD?
[20:41] <Markon> Can you tell me why when I try to ping my router it doesn't give me any signals?
[20:42] <Markon> When I 'm on the live-cd and I try to ping the router it works, but when I ping it by kubuntu installed on the machine it doesn't work :/
[20:43] <Markon> (I've set the internet configuration by pppoeconf)
[20:43] <emilsedgh> Artimus: i doubt if there is an unused package on the disc...btw its important for me that my distro is a FOSS enthusiast or no
[20:43] <martijn81> Markon: do you have to dail-in?
[20:44] <martijn81> otherwise, do a sudo  dhclient
[20:44] <Artimus> emilsedgh: So you're saying the difference between FOSS enthusiast and evil is "Do I have  to download it automagically from the internet instead of automagically from a cd"?
[20:45] <emilsedgh> Artimus: no
[20:45] <martijn81> !offtopic
[20:45] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:45] <emilsedgh> Artimus: but i simply dont like my distro to contain something non-free.
[20:46] <ping_luce> hi. how can i know the available space in dev/hdd ??
[20:47] <gokulo> df -h
[20:47] <andyt_> emilsedgh - check out gobuntu
[20:47] <Artimus> ping_luce: at a terminal, df -h will work.  Otherwise, right click on the partition and hit properties.
[20:47] <sayers> Why is doplhin the new defualt filemanager?
[20:48] <Markon> sorry
[20:48] <ping_luce> thnks all
[20:48] <emilsedgh> i know, gobuntu and and other one which is a GNU Project (gnewsys was its name i think).i have no problem with ubuntu now, but i never accept nvidia drivers on it
[20:48] <Markon> martijn81: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60786/
[20:48] <Artimus> sayers: Simplicity, probably.  Konqueror is there as a webbrowser now.
[20:48] <martijn81> emilsedgh: then you' re better off with sidux than kubuntu
[20:48] <Markon> I've done dhclient, and it gave it to me.
[20:48] <Artimus> sayers: They share code, you can still just as easily use Konqueror for file browsing, that's not going away
[20:49] <sayers> Artimus: Well is doplhin have any nice new features?
[20:49] <emilsedgh> maybe, all i want is a working kde :P
[20:49] <Artimus> sayers: Very easy to get to split view, and there's a view similar to Mac OSX Finder.
[20:49] <martijn81> emilsedgh: it comes with debian sid@ rolling release with kde 3.5.9
[20:49] <Artimus> sayers: "Less features" is why it was selected.  For most people, Konqueror was overkill and slightly intimidating at times
[20:49] <martijn81> if you update...
[20:49] <sayers> Artimus: Is it still better than nautilus when it comes to advanced features?
[20:50] <emilsedgh> martijn81: so i have to give it a try ;)
[20:50] <sayers> So is 90% of kde apps then...
[20:50] <martijn81> i would ;)
[20:50] <martijn81> i use it myself
[20:50] <Artimus> sayers: Wouldn't know.  I'm not a GNOME type of person.
[20:50] <emilsedgh> sayers: if you want advanced features, then konqueror is there for you.but what do you mean by advanced features?
[20:50] <sayers> emilsedgh: I'm not sure :)
[20:50] <Artimus> sayers: Konqueror is going to be around and it will be able to do the same file browsing things for a long time
[20:50] <emilsedgh> sayers: it supports multiple protocols (fish, ftp,etc) and has splitting feature
[20:50] <Artimus> sayers: It uses a Dolphin KPart, meaning any changes to Dolphin will work in the Konqueror UI
[20:50] <silverblade> ok this is seriously messed up now... the entire GUI has gone really laggy. it seems a bit more responsive if i use compiz+emerald but i dont see WHY?
[20:51] <martijn81> Markon: page does not load here
[20:51] <emilsedgh> Artimus: thats in 4, in 3 it uses differrent codebase than konqueror i think
[20:51] <sayers> Split view, easy ssh copy , organizng by type
[20:51] <emilsedgh> sayers: yes it does all of them i think
[20:52] <Artimus> emilsedgh: Sayers said dolphin, not d3lphin
[20:52] <emilsedgh> oh, sorry then :)
[20:52] <Artimus> emilsedgh: Still, probably was referring to KDE3's
[20:53] <emilsedgh> dolphin in 4 is a differrent thing.it really rocks, i miss some of its features on konqueror
[20:53]  * martijn81 is eagerly waiting on composite effects in kde4
[20:54] <martijn81> yeah the new kde4 dolphin is nice, but the kde3 version sucks though
[20:54] <prince_jammys> i just use konq
[20:54] <silverblade> nosrednaekim, ok i have Xgl installed now but now that's taking up a lot of CPU time
[20:54] <martijn81> me too, dolphin does not come with sidux
[20:55]  * emilsedgh too
[20:55] <nosrednaekim> silverblade: XGL isn't going to help anything...
[20:59] <Markon> martijn81:  however I've solved that problem using firestarter. It seems it's a problem of iptables... bah..:/
[20:59] <Markon> thank you ;)
[20:59] <Markon> bye!
[20:59] <martijn81> Markon: iptables should be disabled by default
[21:08] <Kubuntu-user> Hi all
[21:08] <martijn81> hi Kubuntu-user
[21:08] <jussio1> martijn81: iptables is enabled by default
[21:08] <jussio1> !firewall
[21:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[21:09] <martijn81> jussio1: ok, but the rules are empty right?
[21:10] <jussio1> martijn81: IIRC, it allows things to listen on any port, but all ports start closed otherwise
[21:10] <silverblade> nosrednaekim, ok, xgl now removed... im getting 95% cpu usage by xorg now
[21:10] <Kubuntu-user> My kubuntu is freezing when i try to install it.amount of percentage when it is freezin is about15%this happends when i'm using ver6.10
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> silverblade: that is so weird..... try moving your .kde to a temporary directory...
[21:11] <Kubuntu-user> What i should do?
[21:11] <jussio1> Kubuntu-user: did you manage to grab a copy of 7.10?
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> Kubuntu-user: I think support for edgy is pretty much up.
[21:13] <martijn81> Kubuntu-user: best is to download 7.10
[21:13] <silverblade> nosrednaekim, done...  problem still there :/
[21:13] <Kubuntu-user> Sorry i mean 7.10
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> silverblade: you need to log back out...
[21:14] <silverblade> i logged out, moved the directory, then logged back in
[21:14] <silverblade> (ie i got back to the login screen then did ctrl+alt+f1 and logged in there)
[21:20] <Kubuntu-user> Yesterday i was try to install7.04,the problem is that when i've 95%of installation progress my kubuntu was dawn
[21:22] <Kubuntu-user> Today i was try to install once more kubuntu v.7.10 and it was no effect.15%and progress bar stops
[21:23] <jussio1> !repeat
[21:23] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[21:24] <benbread> Kubuntu-user: Using apt-get?
[21:24] <Kubuntu-user> No.live session creator
[21:25] <swatto> Anyone know what program I can use to create flash things in kubuntu?
[21:27] <benbread> swatto: The only way i know is to use WINE to run macromedia/adobe flash for windows
[21:28] <jussio1> ming comes to mind, but Im not sure if thats what you are after
[21:29] <benbread> swatto: or for browser based maybe use http://osflash.org/ajaxanimator
[21:29] <paulo> boa noite pessoal..
[21:29] <paulo> sou novo por aqui..
[21:29] <LjL-Temp> !br
[21:29] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[21:29] <paulo> sou novo nomundo liux..
[21:30] <paulo> linux
[21:30] <paulo> mais estou adorando o ubuntu
[21:30] <Kubuntu-user> I can give more details.is anyone who will help me?
[21:30] <K`zan> Hi Folks, looks like k3b or some component thereof is hosed big time.  Been fighting with this for two days now.  Found the drive was ok using nero under wincrap (no problems).  Is there some other alternative to burn DVDs under linux?  Tarring up what I want and sending it to a wincrap drive to burn with nero is kind of embarrasing :-).  TIA!
[21:31] <paulo> estou com problemas para fazer meu compiz-fusion funcionar
[21:31] <paulo> alguem pode me ajudar
[21:31] <paulo> #kubuntu-br
[21:32] <swatto> thanks benbread :)
[21:33] <paulo> tem algum canal em portuguese
[21:34] <paulo> #ubuntu-br
[21:35] <Kubuntu-user> Is somewhere polish irc kubuntu channel?
[21:35] <jussio1> !pl | Kubuntu-user
[21:35] <ubotu> Kubuntu-user: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[21:37] <vlt> Hello. Is it possible to download the sources of a package and create exactly the same .deb package locally?
[21:37] <LjL-Temp> vlt: yup. sudo apt-get source packagename
[21:37] <LjL-Temp> sudo apt-get --build source packagename downloads & builds it
[21:39] <vlt> LjL-Temp: And downloading, modifying and then building is also possible?
[21:39] <LjL-Temp> vlt: yes, although i never remember the command to build :) i think dpkg-buildpackage
[21:41] <vlt> LjL-Temp: Ok, I'll try. Thank you.
[21:41] <vlt> LjL-Temp: Aah, last question: How can I persuade apt to install _my_ deb instead of the one from the official repo?
[21:42] <wayneward> dpkg -i package name
[21:42] <vlt> Thanks
[21:42] <LjL-Temp> vlt: that's complicated :| you can bump the version number, but then packages from the Security repository override even that
[21:42] <LjL-Temp> !pinning
[21:42] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[21:42] <LjL-Temp> this page, also, is quite outdated an inaccurate
[21:43] <wayneward> what version of konact is available for kde 4? is it still kontact 3.5.9?
[21:44] <jco> hi, does anyone here uses KDE to Ipaq (Windows Mobile) syncronization? Is it reliable?
[21:44] <jussio1> wayneward: yes I beleive so. also kde 4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[21:44] <wayneward> ok cheers  idont want support it was a simple question
[21:44] <LjL-Temp> jco: always gave problems to me :| i guess once you manage to make it work... well, it will work one time, then unless you disconnect the ipaq in the proper order, you have to reboot :D
[21:45] <wayneward> ill go to debain irc instead cant be assed with humour
[21:45] <wayneward> exit
[21:46] <jco> LjL-Temp: but is the software there? is it maintained? I'm having big problems in another distro and have to do everything on my own... :(
[21:46] <LjL-Temp> jco: the software is in the official repositories, but it's not any more mantained than in other distributions
[21:48] <jco> LjL-Temp: uhm... I'll give it a try then, otherwise will have to swap Guest/Host with Windows/Linux cause that sync is vital for my work :(((
[21:52] <Respatix_> has anyone here ever installed or used ntfs-3g on kubuntu?
[21:52] <jussio1> yes
[21:52] <Roey> hello... question about kubuntu 8.04 and the NVidia Geforce 9600..  Does it work?  At all?  I tried installing NVidia's beta drivers, but the installer reports errors with finding/removing GLX libs
[21:53] <bnex10> hey
[21:53] <jussio1> Roey: #ubuntu+1 for hardy :)
[21:53] <Roey> also, for some reason, the scroll wheel evokes a horizontal scroll isntead of a vertical one.
[21:53] <Roey> jussio1:  ah, that's it, thanks :)
[21:53] <jussio1> :)
[21:53] <bnex10> i need mp3 codec for the xine engine
[21:54] <jussio1> bnex10: kubuntu-restricted-extras should get you everything you need
[21:54] <bnex10> in what package manager?
[21:54] <bnex10> adept?
[21:54] <jussio1> yes
[21:54] <bnex10> ok.... great
[21:55] <jussio1> bnex10: or: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:55] <bnex10> will that install a bunch of packages
[21:55] <bnex10> ?
[21:55] <Respatix_> anyone know how to install ntfs-3g on kubuntu, I have a knew 1tb ext drive and its formatted ntfs and i cant write to it
[21:56] <ubuntu> How can I add boot loader to my pc ?
[21:56] <jussio1> bnex10: yes
[21:56] <jussio1> !grub | ubuntu
[21:56] <ubotu> ubuntu: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:56] <bnex10> approx how many?
[21:57] <jussio1> !ntfs-3g | Respatix_
[21:57] <jussio1> bnex10: a fair amount
[21:57] <ubotu> Respatix_: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[21:57] <jussio1> bnex10: I dont know off the top of my head
[21:57] <bnex10> jussio1: well i don't want to install uneeded stuff
[21:57] <bnex10> unneeded*
[21:58] <jussio1> bnex10: you can just install libxine1-ffmpeg if you prefer
[21:58] <bnex10> ok
[21:58] <bnex10> ok thx
[21:59] <K`zan> Hi Folks, looks like k3b or some component thereof is hosed big time.  Been fighting with this for two days now.  Found the drive was ok using nero under wincrap (no problems).  Is there some other alternative to burn DVDs under linux?  Tarring up what I want and sending it to a wincrap drive to burn with nero is kind of embarrasing :-).  TIA!
[21:59] <jussio1> K`zan: have you tried purging and reinstalling k3b?
[22:02] <jussio1> K`zan: you could also try brasero, though Im not sure of the dvd qualities of it
[22:03] <Respatix_> jussio1: do i type in terminal "sudo apt-get install !ntfs-3g |" ?
[22:03] <jussio1> Respatix_: no
[22:04] <jussio1> Respatix_: did you see the link from the bot?
[22:04] <Armagguedes> hello
[22:04] <jimjag> Hey, I have a problem with the updater. It says it cannot commit changes
[22:04] <jussio1> Respatix_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[22:04] <Armagguedes> can i get help for kubuntu-hardy from here or is there a dedicated beta channel?
[22:04] <jussio1> jimjag: in gutsy or hardy?
[22:05] <Respatix_> yes, it sounds like ntfs-3g is already included on 7.10 gutsy but i still cant write to my ntfs drive?
[22:05] <jimjag> I'm not sure i Installed gutsy, but it says i can upgrade to gutsy
[22:05] <jussio1> Armagguedes: #ubuntu+1 :)
[22:05] <Armagguedes> ok cheers mate
[22:05] <jussio1> :)
[22:07] <nemetsk> can anyone recommend software for renaming files in bulk/batch ?
[22:07] <jimjag> Is there anything i can type in terminal to find out which version I have
[22:08] <shulman> nemstsk -- thiat might be better suited for a shell script
[22:08] <blackflag> !md5sum
[22:08] <ubotu> To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[22:08] <jussio1> !version
[22:08] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[22:08] <jussio1> jimjag: ^^
[22:09] <jimjag> thanks
[22:09] <fuhreal> Does anyone know if kopote supports msn webcam ?
[22:09] <jussio1> fuhreal: afaik, yes
[22:10] <fuhreal> jussio1: ty .... amsn seems a little buggie
[22:10] <jussio1> not sound though iirc.
[22:10] <blackflag> Hello all :)
[22:10] <graft> ah! pirates!
[22:10] <Roey> arrr!
[22:11] <blackflag> I want to install md5sum but can not find it via aptitude, using kubuntu 7.10
[22:12] <jimjag> hello, I'm on Gutsy and it wants me to update to version 7.10 but then i stops at the actual install part
[22:12] <jussio1> blackflag: is it not installed already?
[22:12] <blackflag> ohh, shit sorry I have it ;)
[22:12] <jussio1> !ohmy | blackflag
[22:12] <ubotu> blackflag: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:12] <graft> yeah, you could instead say 'ohh, shiver me timbers sorry'
[22:13] <blackflag> ok
[22:13] <shulman> I'm having what I believe is a HW problem and I need to order replacement parts. I've been having frequent system freezes. I tried reinstalling kubuntu and ubuntu, and during the graphical install, both completely freeze (including keyboard lock) -- I was able to install ubuntu using the alternate install CD, but it frequently froze while attempting to update the system. Do you think this could be a power problem or a video card
[22:13] <shulman> problem or something else?
[22:14] <graft> shulman: when it freezes, is it a complete system lock?
[22:14] <graft> can you ssh in?
[22:14] <fuhreal> shulman: hows the temp of ur stuff?
[22:14] <graft> a video card fault wouldn't necessarily be indicated by temperature
[22:14] <graft> although that would probably contribute to failure...
[22:14] <fuhreal> graft: however system freezing would
[22:15] <fuhreal> or could
[22:15] <fuhreal> if auto reboot is off
[22:15] <shulman> graft: system temp appears fine (~23C according ot the BIOS) -- it is a complete system lock as far as I can tell. the system stops entirely and nothing is entered into the error logs
[22:15] <fuhreal> 23C wow!!!!
[22:15] <graft> yeah that's pretty damn cool
[22:15] <graft> shulman: is it onboard video? can you pop in a new video card to test?
[22:15] <fuhreal> shulman: graft is saying, if u can ssh in, it could be video issue ...
[22:16] <Armagguedes> to install XP as a virtual machine, which CD do i get: desktop or alternate ??
[22:16] <graft> no, if you can ssh in it's probably not a hardware fault in the video card
[22:16] <graft> if you can ssh in it's probably a software issue
[22:16] <shulman> hrm... that's a good point. I didn't think about that.
[22:16] <fuhreal> shulman: do all the lights on ur keyboard flash?
[22:17] <graft> shulman: also there are probably some memory test apps in the repository
[22:17] <fuhreal> graft: ur thinking bad ram ?
[22:17] <graft> shulman: e.g. memtest86+
[22:17] <graft> yeah
[22:18] <fuhreal> shulman: do u have all the bios set to defaults ?
[22:18] <graft> i'd test that in console mode, just to eliminate that option
[22:18] <shulman> graft:  --  I ran the memory test on the Ubuntu CD with no problems
[22:18] <fuhreal> shulman: will live CD run without a prob, i.e. you can surf and do whatever...
[22:18] <shulman> I do not have the bios set  to the defaults... I set the system up about a year ago. THe reason I was suspecting power problems was because the system is very drive heavy -- I have 6 SATA drives in there.
[22:18] <graft> ahoo.. well then i'd try to test out your video somehow... i'm not familiar with any specific tools for testing video memory and so on
[22:19] <graft> wow
[22:19] <fuhreal> shulman: easy way to find out is to pull one of the drives power.....
[22:19] <fuhreal> shulman: or pull all except 1
[22:19] <shulman> the Live CD GUIs tend to boot up with problems. They'll fritz out on start up but come back. Both did OK until the actuall installation got halfway throgh
[22:20] <artur_> how to uninstall a program that was installed through a .RUN file, so the program isn't in the Synaptic...
[22:20] <graft> hrm... what kind of power failure would you suspect?
[22:22] <jussi01> !ot
[22:22] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:22] <shulman> graft: The main reason I was suspecting power supply was because of the fact that it tends to happen when it's writing to a drive (I've switched out the drive, so I'm fairly sure it's not the disk HW)
[22:22] <silverblade> im trying to burn a dvd using k3b and its writing at 0.70x... this has been the case with 2 dvd writers now. whats the problem
[22:23] <graft> shulman: bad cable wiring?
[22:23] <shulman> graft: what do you mean?
[22:23] <fuhreal> sata cable issues suck ..
[22:23] <graft> dunno exactly, never had that particular problem... but, some sort of mechanical failure in your SATA cable
[22:24] <graft> or, worse, on your MB somewhere en route to that SATA connection
[22:24] <shulman> argh... I hate HW.
[22:24] <graft> yeh
[22:24] <fuhreal> shulman: seriously, if you think its a power issue, you should be able to remove devices (HD's /usb) etc to stop draining power
[22:25] <fuhreal> shulman: your bios "may" have a screen showing your voltages as well....
[22:25] <jussio1> !dma | silverblade, possibly an issue with this
[22:25] <ubotu> silverblade, possibly an issue with this: dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hardware transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[22:25] <shulman> fuhreal: I'll try that... I'll pull 5 drives from the power system. Right now I just installed ssh server and I'll start another install to see if the theory holds.
[22:26] <fuhreal> shulman: before you install, check ur voltages in ur bios
[22:26] <silverblade> jussi01, nope, i checked that already
[22:26] <fuhreal> shulman: if they are horribly wrong, then there is no point trying again until u pop in a new power supply .. rght?
[22:26] <shulman> good point. Luckily I have a laptop, or else I'd really be SoL for this :-)
[22:27] <fuhreal> shulman: hehe .... if ur in the US you can pick up a sweet levno R61 or was it t61 shipped for 499 :P
[22:27] <fuhreal> lenovo i meant
[22:28] <graft> probably the R61
[22:28] <graft> i can't imagine a T61 being that cheap
[22:28] <fuhreal> I grabbed this T42 for $250 ... i'm so happy with the purchase ...
[22:28] <fuhreal> yah i feel u on that one
[22:29] <shulman> I'd switch entirely to laptops if it weren't for my storage needs.
[22:30] <jussio1> !ot
[22:30] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:30] <fuhreal> How do i turn on open gl support? I installed the open gl screensavers from adept but they won't even test
[22:31] <jussio1> fuhreal: you have which gfx card?
[22:32] <fuhreal> jussio1: radeon mobility 9700
[22:33] <ahmos> !java
[22:33] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[22:33] <jussio1> fuhreal: you have the binary drivers installed?
[22:33] <khbeta> Kopete (0.12.7 on hardy beta) only shows 3 of my MSN contacts (all listed under "Other Contacts").  Any ideas on how i can get all my contacts to display under "online" or "offline"?
[22:33] <fuhreal> jussio1: no the propriatary
[22:34] <jussio1> fuhreal: proprietary=binary :)
[22:34] <fuhreal> jussio1: oops :P
[22:34] <jussio1> khbeta: setting -> show offline users
[22:35] <khbeta> jussio1: it just shows or hides those three contacts, unfortunately.  All three of them are offline (confirmed under windows)
[22:35] <benbread> khbeta: or ctrl + U
[22:36] <shulman> voltage appears OK (12.9V going to the CPU...) crash during the latest kubuntu install did kill ssh as well.
[22:36] <fuhreal> jussio1: no ideas ?
[22:37] <khbeta> benbread: ctrl+u also just hides the three contacts; there are dozens that should be on the list that don't show up anywhere
[22:37] <jussio1> fuhreal: yes, when you installed, did you follow the tutorial or just install the driver from the manager?
[22:37] <benbread> khbeta: Do you have Pidgin?
[22:37] <benbread> khbeta: IMO it's a lot better than kopete
[22:38] <theo_> 2 questions: 1. at what time of the day/night is doning Keep its backup // 2. Is Keep still the default user backup-app in Hardy or is it replaced???!
[22:38] <khbeta> benbread: i dont have it, prefer to avoid gnome stuff where possible.  didn't want to use kmess either because it lacks webcam support as far as i know
[22:39] <benbread> khbeta: It's not gnome
[22:39] <jeroen-> sorry I had the wrong name: again:
[22:39] <fuhreal> jussio1: just installed from the system manager
[22:39] <jeroen-> 2 questions: 1. at what time of the day/night is doning Keep its backup // 2. Is Keep still the default user backup-app in Hardy or is it replaced???!
[22:39] <jussio1> !ati | fuhreal have a look here :)
[22:39] <ubotu> fuhreal have a look here :): For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:40] <jussio1> !repeat | jeroen-
[22:40] <ubotu> jeroen-: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[22:40] <khbeta> benbread: apt seems to want to install a lot of gtk and gnome-style dependencies if i try to install pidgin.  i may be doing something wrong, i'm still very new at this
[22:41] <jeroen-> jussio1: I know, but I changed my name or else I won't find the answer
[22:42] <benbread> khbeta: Failing that if you're just using MSN messenger i'd go with aMSN, it has webcam, custom emoticons, plugins, games, drawing and all sorts - considerably better than both pidgin and kopete
[22:43] <khbeta> benbread: thanks, i'll give it a shot
[22:45] <fuhreal> jussio1: the openGl screensavers that came during the gutsy install work, just the others don't
[22:45] <jussio1> fuhreal: ahh, not sure then. sorry :(
[22:46] <vince__> Hey All,  Quick question.  I have 2 soundcards installed in my Kubuntu system.  When I first set everything up it worked fine with my Skype calls going to my headset and my system sounds going to the main speaker.  When I restarted however it seems to have messed it all up and now everything comes out from the headset.  I've tried looking at the Also Documentation on the WIKI and also checked allmighty google but I can't seem
[22:46] <vince__> to find a clear explination on how to make this stuff stick.  Anyone here that can help?
[22:48] <benbread> vince__: I have exactly the same problem on one of my other machines, so far all i've worked out is you can run alsaconf just to set up the soundcard you want on each boot
[22:48] <tin> vince__: you should be able to direct the system sounds to any sound device in the sound system settings area
[22:49] <tin> and check the system services, there is a script that should run on boot to reset volume levels and such
[22:49] <tin> perhaps it's not running, or it is and doesn't know about multiple sound devices
[22:49] <vince__> tin: The only thing I can find is Sound Devices but all it tells me is ASLA, OSS , NO IN OUT etc
[22:50] <vince__> I can't find anywhere where I can specify a specific device
[22:50] <tin> maybe the override device selection box
[22:50] <tin> device location*
[22:50] <vince__> tin: Right but what do I type in there?
[22:51] <vince__> benbread: I tried to run alsaconf and got a command not found error
[22:52] <benbread> as root
[22:52] <tin> try 'alsactl names'
[22:52] <pucko-> vince__, I've had problems like that when upgrading alsa for example.. I assume you set the sound in skype somewhere, and just need to change the default-sound-card for kde.
[22:52] <vince__> Pucko: Yes sir
[22:52] <vince__> benbread: No joy
[22:53] <tin> pucko-: yeah, problem is that the sound system control panel doesn't know much about alsa, and so doesn't enumerate the devices for you
[22:53] <pucko-> vince__, asoundconf list
[22:53] <tin> ^^
[22:53] <benbread> vince__: That's very weird - sudo apt-get install alsaconf ?
[22:53] <pucko-> vince__, then asoundconf set-default-card <whatever>
[22:53] <vince__> Ok
[22:53] <tin> i knew there was a command to find the names
[22:53] <vince__> Says it has nForce2 UART au8830
[22:53] <vince__> nForce is the card my headset goes too
[22:53] <vince__> au8830 I think is the main card
[22:54] <vince__> dunno what UART is
[22:54] <tin> Universal Asynchronous Receiver Transmitter IIRC
[22:54] <tin> it's the MIDI port most likely
[22:54] <pucko-> doesn't hurt to try. I assume the settings will stick after rebooting, at least for your user. but you might want to read the manpage...
[22:54] <vince__> benbread : couln't find package alsaconf
[22:56] <vince__> Ok Picky I popped that command in
[22:56] <tin> i think alsaconf is in alsa-utils or such, but asoundconf should do the trick and it's past of the base alsa
[22:56] <vince__> Sound is still comming out my headset
[22:56] <vince__> oh wait
[22:56] <vince__> Duh Might help if I told it to use the other sound card LOL
[22:57] <vince__> Still no joy
[22:57] <tin> au8830, that's an oldish card eh? Aureal VortexOrSomething
[22:57] <vince__> tin: Yea... It was working fine before the reboot though
[22:57] <vince__> might I need to reset the sound server?
[22:57] <vlt> Hello. What package do I need to install to enable mounting an nfs share?
[22:57] <tin> so the headset is plugged to the mainboard's onboard plug, and the speakers or on the add-on card
[22:58] <vince__> tin Correct..
[22:58] <tin> vince__: yeah, you might try restarting artsd
[22:58] <vince__> Ok I know this sounds dumb, How do I do that from CLI
[22:58] <vince__> ?
[22:59] <pucko-> vince__, perhaps you could try sudo invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart
[23:00] <ahmos> !java
[23:00] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[23:01] <vince__> pucko: Done sound still comming from the wrong card
[23:02] <pucko-> oh :/
[23:03] <pucko-> i'd think that should do it. hate to say it, but try rebooting :)
[23:04] <vince__> I don't understand why I can't just go to a system config and select what card I want... The mixer lets me pick between the two
[23:04] <vince__> I love Linux but stuff like this just really puts me off
[23:04] <vince__> alright i'll try rebooting and BRB to let you know what happens :-)
[23:04] <pucko-> me too.
[23:05] <tin> vince__: you may have to restart artsd to get kde's sound system...
[23:05] <tin> nm
[23:05] <pucko-> oh, yeah. i figured he'd try that already
[23:05] <pucko-> tried
[23:09] <vince__> And Back
[23:09] <vince__> All seems good now
[23:09] <vince__> Skypes going out the headset and system junks going out the mains.
[23:09] <pucko-> all good then :)
[23:10] <tin> vince__: good work!
[23:10] <vince__> I wonder why it required a whole system restart though, I woulda figured reloading the sound server woulda realoaded the configs... But oh well.. Can't argue with success LOL
[23:10] <tin> i think you just needed to restart artsd, which a reboot did
[23:10] <vince__> Thanks for your help
[23:10] <pucko-> probably
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> vince__: you the guy I was helping earlier with pclinuxOS?
[23:11] <tin> you reloaded alsa, for the system, but kde runs its own sound server called arts
[23:11] <vince__> norednaekim: Nope... I was in here earlier trying to get a LAMP dev enviorment install but thats it
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> ah, ok ... nother guy called vince;)
[23:11] <vince__> tin: Ahhh that woulda prolly been it thenb
[23:12] <silverblade> ok it seems amarok and kaffeine both cannot play .wav
[23:12] <silverblade> they hang when i try to
[23:12] <tin> thing is, i don't see an easy way to restart artsd being manually sending it a HUP signal or logging off and back
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> silverblade: fixed your X problem?
[23:13] <silverblade> yep.
[23:13] <vince__> tin: That maybe so but its not any more agrivating than requiring a windows reboot.  Im more irked about the lack of a GUI interface for this kinda thing
[23:13] <silverblade> nvidia driver issue
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> tin: you can restart it in system settings
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> silverblade: what was the problem?
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> ah
[23:13] <silverblade> i had to upgrade nvidia driver and disable xinerama
[23:13] <nosrednaekim> there was a bug?
[23:13] <silverblade> think so
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> silverblade: alright, now, for this wav... you sure its good? i.e. does it play elsewhere?
[23:14] <silverblade> ive not had wave playing on linux for a couple of years now
[23:14] <silverblade> both on Gentoo and Kubuntu
[23:15] <silverblade> XMMS didnt work, Amarok and Kaffeine both hang
[23:15] <silverblade> mp3s play fine
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> .wav's have allways worked... are you sure they are good .wav's?
[23:15] <silverblade> definitely.
[23:15] <pucko-> what soundcard?
[23:15] <tin> vince__: yeah, kde's current sound system is a bit dated
[23:16] <silverblade> they play fine in Media Player on Windows, and on my portable media player.
[23:16] <tin> but kde4's phonon system sounds very excellent
[23:16] <silverblade> onboard nvidia nforce chipset one, not sure
[23:16] <ere4si> I can add a second panel but it doesn't show up in the configure panel window - how can I get to use it?
[23:16] <silverblade> and theyre wavs ive created mp3s from
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> ere4si: you need to restart kicker, run "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> ere4si: or just log out and back in
[23:18] <ere4si> ohh - thnx nosrednaekim :)
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> silverblade: thats very weird.... what about trying to create your own wav and playing it?
[23:19] <silverblade> i create my own wavs.
[23:19] <silverblade> thats what im saying.
[23:19] <silverblade> i record a wav, i save it, i cant play it on Linux
[23:19] <silverblade> no wavs at all.
[23:19] <silverblade> regardless of where they have come from
[23:20] <silverblade> they all hang Amarok, Kaffeine and XMMS
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> how do you record them?
[23:20] <silverblade> theyre usually either exported from a music program in Windows, recorded using Audacity, or recorded on a portable audio recorder.
[23:22] <silverblade> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=625518   - this person seems to have had similar problem
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> wow.... could you DCC a small one to me (<1MB)
[23:23] <pucko-> me too :)
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> hum, what we need is a nice command line player and see what the gives as errors...
[23:24] <vlt> vlt: You need nfs-common to be installed for mounting NFS shares.
[23:24] <silverblade> i dont have any small ones
[23:24] <silverblade> "playsound" works from command line.
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> and it PLAYS them?
[23:25] <silverblade> yep
[23:25] <silverblade> no problem
[23:25] <silverblade> or at least it did in gentoo, i cant find the package i need for ubuntu
[23:25] <TD-Linux> AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
[23:25] <vlt> Hello. How long do I have to wait before Konqueror shows me the actual content of /mnt/some-nfs-share when something has changed in that folder?
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> very weird....
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> BBL....
[23:26] <TD-Linux> ^^ explanation: I just noticed that strigi's index is 10GB
[23:26] <TD-Linux> this is a 60GB partition
[23:26] <silverblade> rm :D
[23:26] <TD-Linux> yup
[23:26] <TD-Linux> strigi goes bye-bye as well
[23:26] <flipstar> cmus is a nice cli player mplayer works also on cli
[23:27] <vlt> Can I define Konqueror's refresh interval for nfs shares somewhere?
[23:28] <silverblade> ...ok xmms works
[23:28] <vince__> Does anyone know of a good GUI front end for MySQL?  I used HeidiSQL on windows and was hoping for something simmilar.
[23:28] <vlt> To be more correct: Can I define Konqueror's refresh interval for *mounted* nfs shares somewhere?
[23:32] <WeaponX> where is menu.lst located?
[23:32] <TD-Linux> WeaponX, /boot
[23:32] <WeaponX> oh crap
[23:32] <WeaponX> sorry
[23:32] <WeaponX> wrong cahnnel
[23:32] <WeaponX> i wanted to ask in windows
[23:33] <WeaponX> sorry
[23:33] <silverblade> windows has one? O_o
[23:33] <WeaponX> i dont know, apperently grub bootloader installs one
[23:33] <WeaponX> and grub comes default with kubuntu install right
[23:33] <WeaponX> ?
[23:36] <TD-Linux> WeaponX, yeah, but the file is stored on kubuntu partition
[23:39] <k7> hello
[23:42] <osiris> any idea why xmms randomly goes beserk and makes all sounds fast forwarded /
[23:42] <osiris> all sounds play fast now, even kde system sounds
[23:42] <paule118> hi
[23:43] <osiris> it takes a reboot to cure this
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[23:45] <silverblade> ???
[23:48] <asobi> have opened ports in router, set corresponding ports under settings -> file transfers and still unable to receive dcc. i guess i need to open ports in firewall as well. how do i do that in guarddog?
[23:48] <myrtille> !de
[23:48] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[23:49] <ahmos> hi ,i've a problem..if i leave my computer turned on with out using it for about 1 hour,it hangs..mouse courser is moving but nothing responds..any ideas?!plz..
[23:50] <graft> ahmos: something hogging memory?
[23:50] <ahmos> i think not the memmory but the processor
[23:51] <graft> top is your best friend, bub
[23:51] <ahmos> top?!
[23:51] <graft> you dunno top? just type top in a shell, it's self explanatory
[23:53] <ahmos> yes,but i don't know what hangs the computer when it hangs because it don't responde to open the shell
[23:53] <ahmos> the only thing that i can do ALT+Ctrl+backspace
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[23:55] <silverblade> !de
[23:55] <ahmos> graft: i don't know how it will be usefull?
[23:55] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[23:56] <dluekant> .


[01:20] <laga> no
[01:20] <laga> been busy hacking at stuff
[01:22] <laga> hum
[01:22] <laga> every time i do /topic
[01:22] <Daviey> bug
[01:22] <laga> i think: one day i'm gonna vandalize it.
[01:24] <brunner> that's strange... my 140GB drive shows up as free space in the partitioner
[01:25] <brunner> it should have an ext2 partition
[01:50] <brunner> Fuck. I just installed with a hostname of chris-desktop
[01:50] <brunner> whoops
[01:55] <laga> ;)
[01:56] <brunner> damn this low-rez TV screen
[01:57] <brunner> and damn the FCC for hampering the free market and causing me to have a low rez TV screen
[01:57] <laga> "free market"?
[01:57] <brunner> well, would-be free market
[01:58] <laga> i bet that the free market would consist of getting your tongue cut out if you mentioned the word "tivo" if it wasn't for the FCC
[01:58] <therethinker> did anything happen while I was gone?
[01:58] <brunner> laga: why would that be the case?
[01:59] <laga> brunner: well, AFAIK is regulating the cable/media companies to make sure they're not completely locking out their customers
[02:02] <laga> but what do i know, i'm not from the US
[02:02] <therethinker2> okay, any bugs?
[02:03] <therethinker2> I want to start with adding something, to get to know it, rather than rewriting
[02:06] <therethinker2> oh, does anyone know how to add in shell?
[02:07] <laga> like
[02:07] <laga> maths in bash?
[02:07] <therethinker2> yeah
[02:07] <laga> echo $((2+2))
[02:07] <therethinker2> I want to increment an envi. variable
[02:08] <laga> ought to work
[02:08] <laga> echo $(($FOO+2))
[02:08] <laga> 4
[02:08] <laga> yup
[02:08] <therethinker2> Ahhh
[02:08] <laga> superm1: you here?
[02:08] <therethinker2> Yay! Worked
[02:11] <therethinker2> I just have a script that makes a new directory, downloads the latest branch, builds and installs it
[02:12] <laga> cool
[02:12] <therethinker2> but what needs to be done, other than neatining up?
[02:13] <laga> does it increment the version number as well?
[02:13] <laga> ok
[02:13] <laga> what needs to be done
[02:13] <laga> hum
[02:13] <laga> superm1 might have some ideas...
[02:13] <laga> personally i'd like to add some performance tuning stuff to mythbuntu.
[02:13] <therethinker> Okay
[02:14] <laga> eg the ability to modify the fstab to include an allocsize= mount option to avoid fragmentation
[02:14] <therethinker> It doesn't do it based on the version number in bazaar, but it just goes by whenever you run the script. I'm sure if I had time, I could do that, but this is just really quick
[02:14] <therethinker> Okay
[02:14] <laga> possibly only for the file system which holds /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[02:14] <laga> but that's probably a rather big task
[02:15] <laga> therethinker: if you install devscripts, you can do "dch -v 1.3.37-mine "my changelog entry"" and be done
[02:16] <laga> well, what do _you_ like to see in the control centre?
[02:16] <therethinker> What? If you haven't noticed by lack of knowledge, I'm new to bazaar, so I'm a tad (scratch that, very) slow
[02:17] <laga> therethinker: sudo aptitude install devscripts
[02:17] <therethinker> hmm...   If no, i'm going to prep debian/changelog and debian/rules to push this to the archive
[03:43] <laga> right.. i was storing a boolean variable as a string and forgot to conver it back to boolean
[03:43] <laga> TBH, it totally sucks that configparser cant do this natively
[03:43] <superm1> well that configparser isn't usually used for this
[03:43] <superm1> it was just a convenient structure
[03:43] <superm1> that would be conducive to saving settings later
[03:43] <laga> superm1: i'd like to jclean it up a bit maybe and  add some sanity checks here and there. can you push it tomorrow?
[03:44] <laga> yes
[03:44] <superm1> as long as you promise not to break anything else sure :)
[03:44] <laga> but still, i should be able to save "yes"/"no" with configparser without converting them to strings beforehand *shrug*
[03:44] <laga> heh
[03:44] <laga> xmltv grabber is fixed, too
[03:44] <superm1> big productive day today eh?
[03:44] <laga> now it's outputting nice xmltv ids
[03:44] <laga> same as yesterday
[03:45] <laga> you get that effect if you spend ~14h coding even if you can't actually do it ;)
[03:45] <superm1> haha
[03:45] <superm1> yeah
[03:45] <superm1> okay well looking at the list of things to hit upon before beta, only two things left.
[03:45] <superm1> push these to the archives
[03:45] <superm1> and stop apt from freezing in ubiquity
[03:45] <laga> is xfce sane now?
[03:46] <superm1> in theory yeah
[03:46] <laga> good
[03:46] <superm1> there is a small bug that nm-applet starts over and over
[03:46] <superm1> if you save settings upon logout
[03:46] <superm1> but otherwise things should be good
[03:46] <superm1> i talked to the xubuntu guys
[03:46] <superm1> and by rc they will have some cleanup that will make our lives easier
[03:46] <laga> is the mythtv session xfce or still openbox?
[03:47] <superm1> its xfce now via control centre
[03:47] <superm1> or ubiquity
[03:47] <laga> ok
[03:47] <superm1> you can go openbox if you use ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[03:47] <superm1> but nothing is pushed to the archive
[03:47] <laga> won't nm-applet ask for a password for wlans? :/
[03:47] <superm1> i'm going to push it all at once
[03:47] <laga> ok
[03:47] <superm1> hmu
[03:47] <superm1> m
[03:47] <laga> it's almost time for weekly builds again
[03:48] <superm1> well it asks to unlock the keyring
[03:48] <superm1> that's right
[03:48] <superm1> that's a big annoyance
[03:48] <laga> someone ine here told me you can use pam-keyring
[03:48] <superm1> well by rc we can look at adding pam keyring
[03:48] <superm1> yeah
[03:48] <laga> but i have no clue what that is
[03:48] <superm1> but you need to set your keyring password identical
[03:48] <laga> right
[03:48] <superm1> to your login password
[03:48] <superm1> and i think it doesnt work upon auto login
[03:48] <laga> should be able to enforce that in mcc
[03:49] <superm1> lets see what kind of response we get post beta
[03:49] <superm1> and whether that will be necessary
[03:49] <laga> unessl i do it, in which case you'll get dancing clowns or something
[03:49] <superm1> you can always save the setting via network-admin too
[03:49] <superm1> rathre than use nm-applet
[03:49] <superm1> since network-admin is part of our install now
[03:49] <laga> true. we can still modify wpa-supplicant.conf
[03:49] <laga> what does network-admin do? modify config files statically?
[03:49] <superm1> yeah
[03:49] <superm1> it modified /etc/network/interfaces
[03:50] <superm1> and tells nm-applet to take a hike
[03:50] <laga> that's great.
[03:50] <superm1> for those interfaces
[03:50] <laga> i think that should be sufficient
[03:50] <superm1> yeah hopefully
[03:50] <laga> ignoring the fact that it's gnome. ;)
[03:50] <superm1> well the gnome dependencies are stripped from it
[03:50] <superm1> from what the xfce guys told me
[03:50] <laga> wee
[03:50] <superm1> they used to have an xfce variant of it
[03:51] <superm1> until they convinced gnome guys to build it differently
[03:51] <superm1> okay i'm going to push this version to the ppa at least
[03:51] <superm1> and do another build of the iso in a few hours
[03:52] <superm1> and take a look and see if maybe for some reason apt decides to not freeze anymore
[03:52] <laga> does i+t freeze in ubiquity proper, too?
[03:52] <superm1> well can't test the gtk frontend in our env
[03:52] <superm1> since we are missing language packs
[03:52] <superm1> and it expects those
[03:52] <superm1> and cant test our ubiquity in a normal env
[03:52] <superm1> because we expect mythtv-common
[03:52] <superm1> and a few other things
[03:53] <laga> great
[03:54] <superm1> i'm wondering if perhaps installing from the ppa on an alpha4 disk is feasible though
[03:54] <superm1> that would definitely be a good way to test
[03:55] <superm1> and it would rule out unionfs crap
[03:55] <superm1> i still dont believe unionfs is solved
[03:55] <superm1> it may not kernel oops for us
[03:55] <laga> unionfs seems to be "teh suck" lately
[03:55] <superm1> but i dont trust it
[03:55] <laga> are older kenrles still available? maybe we can build a disk with an old kernel
[03:56] <superm1> unfortuantely not
[03:56] <laga> bah
[03:56] <superm1> also older kernels have older versions of lirc modules
[03:56] <superm1> which is bad
[03:56] <laga> well, just for testing, so we can yell at the kernel guys
[03:57] <superm1> well the problem though is that the cd repository is broken on disk remember for alpha4
[03:57] <superm1> so it has to be an app that hasn't changed since a4 that gets installed
[03:57] <superm1> perhaps openchrome
[03:57] <superm1> that'd be feasible
[03:58] <laga> you mean openchrome breaks apt?
[03:58] <superm1> well need a deb to install during ubiqiuty
[03:58] <superm1> to test apt
[03:58] <superm1> but needs to be one still valid on mirrors.cs.umn.edu
[03:59] <superm1> since all the others have expired
[04:00] <laga> what happens if there is no intarweb available during install?
[04:00] <superm1> the install gets unhappy on a4
[04:00] <superm1> beta its fixed
[04:00] <superm1> since on cd repo works properly
[04:00] <laga> good
[04:01] <laga> Grabber did not validate ok. See /tmp/q8JyReIDRx/t_commands.log for a list of the commands that were used
[04:01] <superm1> it did boil down to that one apt config option
[04:01] <laga> /tmp/q8JyReIDRx/t_commands.log: No such file or directory
[04:01] <superm1> that's not good
[04:01] <laga> XMLTV is bersolid software.
[04:02] <superm1> woah i forgot usplash was so f*d on a4
[04:02] <superm1> wow
[04:05] <laga> i iwhs asus would finally release their EEE
[04:05] <superm1> EEE?
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #139585 in mythbuntu-control-centre (universe) "Desktop roles: should be able to select more than one" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139585
[04:08] <laga> small notebook for $199-$350
[04:08] <laga> http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mobilemag.com/content/images/12559_large.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/334/C12559/&h=300&w=400&sz=33&hl=de&start=2&um=1&tbnid=5kLfj1_mSfgs0M:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dasus%2Beee%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:de:official%26sa%3DN
[04:08] <laga> /tmp/1QRwA0T9Ep/t_1_2.xml validates ok
[04:08] <laga> yay
[04:08] <superm1> wow 200 bucks
[04:09] <superm1> what kind of cpu in the things?
[04:09] <laga> something intel i guess
[04:10] <laga> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3829
[04:10] <laga> Processor: Intel mobile CPU (Intel 910 chipset, 900MHz Dothan Pentium M)
[04:10] <laga> more than enough
[04:10] <laga> for myth and sdtv :)
[04:10] <superm1> yeah for sure
[04:11] <laga> too bad they won't ship it next month like they planned to
[04:11] <laga> need one for university
[04:12] <superm1> no you just want to be able to irc in class dont you :S?
[04:12] <laga> no, that wouldn't justify the 2Gb RAM and the dual core CPU i'm gonna get ;)
[04:13] <superm1> the only reason i'd want a faster laptop is so that i can run VM's faster
[04:13] <laga> yup
[04:13] <laga> if my old laptop wasn't falling apart, it#d keep it
[04:13] <superm1> at least one core for a vm and one for normal session
[04:13] <laga> nice small asus thing with a pentium m 1.4GHz
[04:13] <superm1> i should just fix my other box already though, so i can use my desktop for vmware server again
[04:14] <laga> yes
[04:14] <laga> shame on you
[04:14] <superm1> you used vmware server's remote connection stuff?
[04:14] <superm1> its actually pretty nice
[04:14] <laga> no
[04:14] <laga> but virtualbox can do rdp, too
[04:15] <superm1> but can it forward cdroms and usb over rdp?
[04:15] <superm1> and virtualbox's networking is horrible compared to vmware's
[04:15] <superm1> i mean for most purposes its not a big deal
[04:15] <laga> "The Eee PC even comes with its own Anti-Virus software" wtf
[04:15] <superm1> but in general
[04:15] <superm1> haha
[04:15] <laga> true, but i managed to get virtualbox working so i won't bother
[04:15] <laga> ok, virtualbox breaks often but i tinker a lot
[04:16] <Daviey> laga: go to bed!
[04:16] <superm1> okay i was able to upgrade ubiquity in the a4 vm
[04:16] <laga> Daviey: bah
[04:16] <superm1> so perhaps we'll know in about 42 percent
[04:16] <superm1> whether unionfs is being mean
[04:16] <Daviey> unionfs is fixed, aint it?
[04:16] <superm1> that's what they 'say'
[04:16] <superm1> psh
[04:16] <superm1> i dont buy it
[04:17] <laga> so. what's your favourite webcomics?
[04:18] <superm1> webcomics?
[04:18] <superm1> cant say i look at any ever
[04:19] <Daviey> :O just googled and came to that site aswell
[04:19] <laga> now we know why you are so darn productive
[04:19] <Daviey> eeek
[04:19] <laga> also, www.sinfest.net
[04:19] <superm1> oh i've been to xkcd before
[04:19] <superm1> there are some good things on there
[04:20] <laga> yup
[04:21] <Daviey> Everbody loves eric raymond... they are good
[04:21] <laga> yes
[04:21] <Daviey> http://geekz.co.uk/shop/images/che-stallman-tshirt-show.jpg?1174745457
[04:23] <superm1> by goly it works on a4
[04:24] <superm1> so now its time to play the game what has changed that could have broken it since then
[04:24] <superm1> argh
[04:25] <laga> superm1: that's probably even less fun than git-bisect on a few thousand changes..
[04:27] <superm1> its probably unionfs.
[04:27] <superm1> and now that the beta disks are out for normal ubuntu there is no priority to them rushing to fix things
[04:28] <laga> well
[04:28] <laga> they just shipped thousands of borked disks..
[04:28] <Daviey> we could switch to Fedora?
[04:28] <laga> oh well, it's not like _my_ bugs get fixed
[04:29] <Daviey> erm, are beta disks shipping?
[04:29] <superm1> yeah they are
[04:29] <Daviey> Why?!
[04:29] <superm1> honestly, make a disk and look at dmesg
[04:29] <superm1> its a mess
[04:29] <superm1> i swear unionfs cant be fixed
[04:30] <Daviey> surely beta testers are capiable of burning an iso!?
[04:30] <Daviey> This makes me sad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icyQDl2eN5g
[04:30] <superm1> okay next experiment.  lets upgrade apt and python in an alpha4 disk
[04:30] <superm1> and try
[04:31] <laga> Daviey: they are not shipped
[04:31] <laga> Daviey: shipped as in "available for download"
[04:31] <Daviey> ah
[04:33] <superm1> god can you guys imagine how hard it would have been to start coding ubiquity and this live disk if things were broke at the *start* of the dev cycle?
[04:33] <superm1> it would have been impossible
[04:33] <laga> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/copa-cobandit
[04:33] <laga> ^^ the "everybody loves eric s raymond" is nice, indeed
[04:33] <Daviey> yeah.. i'm still looking forward to a major merge.. no doubt hungry hippo will change ubiquity radically
[04:34] <superm1> hungry hippo?
[04:34] <laga> better than herdly heroine
[04:34] <laga> s/herdly/hardly/
[04:34] <Daviey> http://www.thinginabag.com/node/688
[04:34] <laga> ok, it#s 4:30 or something, i need to go to bed
[04:35] <superm1> night
[04:35] <Daviey> laga: sleep is for the weak
[04:35] <superm1> this week i agree
[04:36] <Daviey> 11,257 words so far... i hate writing docs
[04:36] <laga> cat dem from /dev/random and use clever perl script
[04:36] <laga> g'night
[04:36] <Daviey> Has to be written to 3 levels aswell... This is just the low level stuff
[04:37] <Daviey> laga: nn
[04:40] <Daviey> I'm going aswell
[04:40] <Daviey> nn
[04:40] <superm1> nn
[04:43] <superm1> man it works with updated python-apt and apt on the live disk too
[04:43] <superm1> it really is looking like unionfs
[05:00] <superm1> laga, look at bug 144395 and tell me i'm not crazy.  i swear this is the exact same time that things fail for us too.
[05:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144395 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "unionfs oopses for http processes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144395
[05:09] <superm1> well laga: it does sound to be unionfs.  i knew i couldn't trust it. http://pastebin.ca/718102
[05:12] <jumpkick> sigh... mythbackend crashed 4 hours before prime time...
[05:12] <jumpkick> makes me sad
[05:12] <superm1> ouch :(
[05:12] <superm1> why'd it crash?
[05:13] <jumpkick> EIT scanning I guess
[05:13] <jumpkick> that's the last thing in the log
[05:14] <jumpkick> [26917.539354]  mythbackend[3815] : segfault at 00002aaaaae55000 rip 00002aaf01d23a48 rsp<PHONE_NUMBER>0108f0 error 4
[05:14] <jumpkick>  in dmesg
[05:15] <superm1> ugh yuck.
[05:15] <superm1> did apport catch anything?
[05:15] <jumpkick> how do I check?
[05:16] <jumpkick> oh I suppose I should install it
[05:16] <superm1> haha well too late then if it wasn't installed
[05:17] <jumpkick> seems I already have it
[05:17] <jumpkick> but X was not running at the time
[05:18] <jumpkick> guess I'll just put in an f-in cron script to keep things running
[05:19] <superm1> well i dont know if apport needs to be cron'ed
[05:19] <superm1> its a service
[05:21] <jumpkick> oh no
[05:21] <jumpkick> I was thinking more like this
[05:21] <jumpkick> if [ -z "$(ps aux | grep `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid` | grep -v grep)" ] ; then rm /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid && /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart; fi
[05:22] <superm1> does your mythbackend crash that often?
[05:22] <superm1> that you need to do that?
[05:22] <jumpkick> It ran from 8:30am till 4:00pm
[05:22] <superm1> i'd think some similar service out there already exists to do that
[05:22] <superm1> at least
[05:22] <jumpkick> however when I'm not around to restart it
[05:22] <superm1> but i mean a service that automatically restarts processes
[05:22] <superm1> should they go down
[05:23] <superm1> someone told me of one ages ago
[05:23] <jumpkick> oh
[05:24] <jumpkick> restartd - Process checker and/or restarter?
[05:24] <superm1> the exact name i have no idea
[05:24] <superm1> does it work with init scripts?
[05:24] <jumpkick> that's what apt-cache said
[05:25] <superm1> monit
[05:25] <superm1> i think thats it
[05:26] <jumpkick> oh
[05:26] <jumpkick> that came back in the list too
[05:33] <jumpkick> meh
[05:33] <jumpkick> monit looks nice and everything
[05:33] <jumpkick> but it also looks like it's overkill
[05:33] <jumpkick> and I'm not feeling ambitious at the moment, so crontab it is
[05:34] <superm1> haha
[05:35] <jumpkick> would probably be a good feature for mythbuntu though...
[05:35] <jumpkick> ;)
[05:35] <superm1> well the real feature is supposed to be stability :)
[05:35] <jumpkick> that would be good, but might not always be in your control (if the myth guys mess up)
[05:36] <superm1> yeah
[05:36] <superm1> well i'm happy to brag about my backend:
[05:36] <superm1> mythtv@mythdell:~$ uptime
[05:36] <superm1>  22:35:24 up 47 days,  1:53,  1 user,  load average: 0.13, 0.13, 0.17
[05:38] <jumpkick> that's nothing
[05:38] <jumpkick> mythbuntu websever's got you beat -  23:37:56 up 94 days,  2:33,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[05:38] <superm1> haha
[05:39] <jumpkick> my old webserver is even better
[05:39] <jumpkick> root@northern:~# uptime
[05:39] <jumpkick>  00:06:11 up 214 days, 18:26,  1 user,  load average: 0.32, 0.82, 0.59
[05:40] <jumpkick> anyway system uptime is not what I worry about
[05:40] <jumpkick> it's mythbackend
[05:40] <jumpkick> no way yours has been up for 47 days
[05:40] <jumpkick> unless you are running stable packages from the last release
[05:40] <superm1> well i restarted it once
[05:41] <superm1> to upgrade to 0.20.2
[05:41] <superm1> otherwise yeah its been up that whole time
[05:41] <jumpkick> wow
[05:41] <jumpkick> I'm impressed
[05:41] <superm1> honestly, me too :)
[05:41] <superm1> i'd have expected something to go wrong for ages
[05:41] <jumpkick> crontab worked
[05:41] <jumpkick> just got an email
[05:41] <jumpkick> :D


[03:39] <zykotick9> bazhang: i just wanted to say you have a great deal of patience.  thanks for being an OP in #ubuntu.
[03:39] <bazhang> :0
 it all works, i am going to go troll #ubuntu until i get banned now
[04:49] <bazhang> his ops call was about: <cipher__> i'm having a minecraft emergency
[05:02] <bazhang> got him in PM, says he wants to be banned, and announcing trolling, he says he will just ban evade if banned
  is that nick offensive to anyone other than myself
[11:52] <popey> "interestingly" faggots are a foodstuff in the UK (dunno about elsewhere)
[11:52] <popey> although I'm sure that he's not referencing that
[11:52] <elky> But since this is the internet...
[11:52] <popey> indeed
[11:56] <ikonia> I'm sure it's not love of meet dumplings
[12:13] <ikonia> meat dumplings even
[12:24] <AlanBell> "meatish" dumplings
[12:25] <ikonia> better
[17:24] <Sidewinder> Troll detected in #u  <MinaKumar> thought you might want to know..
[17:39] <beandog> we have a troll in #ubuntu, MinaKumar
[17:39] <beandog> mostly just being a dork though
[17:39]  * mneptok waves
[17:40] <beandog> thx mneptok
[18:40] <mneptok> erm ...
[18:41] <mneptok> uBOTu-fr in #u sent me a PRIVMSG after the ban. is this a te,p eir replacement?
[18:41] <mneptok> *temp
[18:42] <oCean> no formal announcements, just ignore it
[18:42] <oCean> at least that's what I do
[18:43] <oCean> we decided eir should get out and ubot-fr in, but there is no date set, yet
[18:44] <mneptok> righty-o
[19:24] <AlanBell> well it would be good if you could not ignore ubotu-fr to the point that you can form an opinion as to whether we should make ubottu into an ubotu-fr
[19:25] <Fuchs> Minor sidenote: the #ubuntu-de op team is currently looking for a bot with ban management, mark etc. possibilities, so if you are happy with it, I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks and sorry for offtopic :)
[19:44] <ikonia> AlanBell: yes yes yes, lets dive in, promote ubottu-fr (assuming it can link in with the existing ban tracker which I'm %99 certain it can), lets dive in with it
[21:54] <GRMrGecko> the-penguin is spamming me, I think it may be a bot. He saw a post in #ubuntu and private messaged me about something off topic called SolusOS.
[22:52] <mneptok> *whoosh*
[22:54] <IdleOne> We got us a winner
[22:55] <mneptok> IdleOne: sup?
[22:56] <IdleOne> your forward to -ot is up :P
[22:56] <mneptok> hooboy
[22:56] <IdleOne> but cooler heads are attending
[22:56]  * mneptok steadies himself and kicks open the door.
[23:50] <mneptok> @mark #ubuntu maradona10 offtopic, abusive in PM