[07:38] <Madpilot> Carpe_Libertatem: thinner? how do you mean?
[07:38] <afaik> it's not like reading ubuntu FAQs requires secrecy
[07:38] <jtan325> argh forgot to do that
[07:38] <jtan325> thanks
[07:38] <mae> is there plans to include beagle in the default ubuntu desktop or is that going to still be an optional deal
[07:38] <afaik> what, some 12 year old is going to sniff the line and hack me over reading ubuntu faqs?
[07:38] <bob2> afaik: yes, you're missing the point, still
[07:38] <oofnik> what does beagle do?
[07:38] <afaik> bob2, the only point is laziness :)
[07:38] <bob2> afaik: anyway, you clearly don't want to understand, so if you'd like it fixed, email the webmaster
[07:39] <dooglus> afaik: if you only encrypt your secrets and leave everything else in plain text then I know where to find your secrets.  if you encrypt everything then I don't know which parts are your secrets and which is just you ranting in an irc channel
[07:40] <bur[n] er> dooglus: very clear and concise answer :)
[07:40] <FatDarrel> i need an asguard space ship
[07:41] <oofnik> no one here uses enlightenment? all gnome?
[07:41] <bob2> perhaps we're waiting for you to ask your real question
[07:41] <vu> I am interested to know what do the majority of yo guys do with your Linux distros. Serious answers please. I understand mail/httpd/squid/firewall servers but what else?
[07:41] <afaik> bah, the asgards are pussies
[07:41] <bob2> vu: replace "linux distros" with "computers" and you have your answer
[07:41] <dooglus> vu: browse porn of course, like any other PC user.
[07:41] <afaik> oofnik, renligtment is way behind now :(
[07:42] <dducko> I play Neverwitner Nights... Cruise the internet... everything you do on Windows.. just less crap
[07:42] <afaik> enligtment hasn't had a stable release in ages
[07:42] <tritium> afaik, please watch your language
[07:42] <vu> bob2, You philosopher or somehitng?
[07:42] <afaik> KDE has already surpassed enligtenment :)
[07:42] <oofnik> afaik i saw some E17 screenshots, it looks beautiful
[07:42] <afaik> Tritis, had to take the @ before informing me, hmmm? :)
[07:42] <bur[n] er> vu: email, web, word docs, music, movies?
[07:42] <afaik> oofnik, indeed it does... 6 years in the making
[07:42] <bob2> vu: no, I'm pointing out that people use linux for the same things they use any other OS
[07:43] <oofnik> afaik do you think it'll turn out to be a good solid release?
[07:43] <bob2> vu: I use ubuntu to do my job as a coder, to play games and to watch dvds, email, browse the web, etc
[07:43] <bob2> vu: also to run my mail and web server
[07:44] <dducko> *drops a pin*
[07:44] <oofnik> haha i heard it..
[07:45] <regeya> hm.
[07:45] <oofnik> well anyway.. so who wants to help me with my panel problem now
[07:45] <regeya> using linux to play games...watch dvds...run a web and mail server...on the same machine?
[07:45] <oofnik> or try to at least
[07:45] <cafuego> vu: I use them to make money, to pay the rent, earn a crust. That involves running a mail/web/sql/domain/file server and also desktops with openoffice, mail and browsers.
[07:45] <bob2> regeya: no, my mail server is not in my house
[07:45] <vu> Interesting...I think non productivity is overwhelming among 98% of Linux users.
[07:45] <oofnik> haha vu i think you're right
[07:46] <bob2> ah, the subtle troll
[07:46] <cafuego> vu: Well, non-productivity is always going to be high if the sample consists of IRC users
[07:46] <regeya> I was afraid we'd be seeing the ten millionth "linux sucks" post on ZDNet someday. *wink*
[07:46] <oofnik> i spend 70% of my time tweaking my system and the rest actually doing what i need to be
[07:46] <tritium> vu, scientific computing and publication
[07:46] <ijeffchat> Nice Bluetooth mouse already activated
[07:46] <jtan325> bob2, ok. i would like to install cairo 1.0, and would like to do this the "proper way"
[07:46] <dazvid> crimsun, I installed and rebooted. However the sound still isn't working
[07:46] <jtan325> i assume i should compile from source this time around?
[07:46] <bob2> jtan325: does that have a different SONAME to the one in hoary?
[07:46] <jtan325> SONAME = ?
[07:47] <durt> could adding "options nvidia NVreg_Mobile=0" to /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc safe?
[07:47] <durt> is it safe, that is
[07:47] <cafuego> SONAME is like a compiling certificate; you're not allowed without one ;-)
[07:47] <bob2> jtan325: are you yourself a programmer?
[07:47] <jtan325> ummm java and python
[07:47] <jtan325> not c
[07:47] <cafuego> durt: add it, see what happens.
[07:47] <jtan325> but i can guess what soname is
[07:47] <jtan325> it's the .so files
[07:48] <bob2> it's the library version
[07:48] <bob2> no
[07:48] <bob2> it's to do with them, tho
[07:48] <dazvid> hi bob2 :)
[07:48] <bob2> hi
[07:48] <jtan325> sorry for my n00bness
[07:48] <holycow> oofnik, e17 isn't released, its still beta
[07:48] <jtan325> so how do i go about checking the SONAME?
[07:48] <holycow> why would anyone be running it?
[07:49] <cafuego> holycow: same reason they run MS Vista. it's leet.
[07:49] <bob2> anyway, it's 2 in breezy and 1 in hoary
[07:49] <holycow> the live cd of e17 is nice but running it daily is a whole other thing
[07:49] <holycow> cafuego, ehe
[07:49] <oofnik> holycow actually it's alpha but yeah
[07:49] <bob2> so go get the libcairo source package from breezy and build it on hoary
[07:49] <oofnik> people have e17 up and running successfully though
[07:49] <ijeffchat> Dont expect it but is there a way to use my isight?
[07:49] <jtan325> ermmmmm.... so edit my sources.list and change 'hoary' to breezy?
[07:50] <bob2> jtan325: no
[07:50] <oofnik> ijeffchat isn't that that apple firewire webcam thing?
[07:50] <bob2> jtan325: go to http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libcairo/ and get all the libcairo_ files
[07:50] <matthew_w> What is the marillat repository?
[07:50] <vu> He! he! ok guys I only wanted some self-reflection here to brake this machine fixing gobble...;-) keep up the good work and keep on being hyper productive ;-)
[07:50] <ijeffchat> yeah, doesn't work right?
[07:50] <ijeffchat> thought so
[07:51] <bob2> jtan325: er, libcairo_1.0.0-1 ones
[07:51] <bob2> jtan325: then run 'dpkg-source -x libcairo_1.0.0-1ubuntu1.dsc', then cd to the dir it makes, then run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot'
[07:51] <oofnik> ijeffchat i'm sure it's possible somehow
[07:51] <bob2> jtan325: after installing build-essential and fakeroot, I guess
[07:51] <oofnik> there's got to be a firewire video4linux driver or something out there, do some googling
[07:52] <bob2> jtan325: oh, and 'sudo aptitude install debhelper cdbs autotools-dev pkg-config libfontconfig1-dev libfreetype6-dev libxrender-dev libx11-dev libpng12-dev'
[07:52] <ijeffchat> kk ill google it, thx oofnikl
[07:53] <ijeffchat> oofnik*
[07:53] <oofnik> ijeffchat check this out: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/40110681
[07:53] <matthew_w> In a file explaining how to get w32 codecs for your Mplayer - it calls these codecs legally dubious... how might a w32 codec be considered dubious? lol
[07:54] <bob2> matthew_w: er, because you have no permission to download them?
[07:54] <bob2> matthew_w: they're binary files created by microsoft, real, apple, etc, did they give you permission to download them and use them with mplayer?
[07:55] <johndarkhorse> matthew_w: because you are supposed to own a copy of windows to legally use them
[07:55] <bob2> even that is not the case
[07:56] <matthew_w> Got it.
[07:56] <matthew_w> Additionally, it says the w32codecs are not verified.
[07:56] <matthew_w> Is there a possibility of a vulnerability here?
[07:56] <bob2> sure, you're downloading binaries from an untrusted source
[07:57] <Madpilot> matthew_w: in theory...
[07:57] <reformist> whawt package can give me cc1plus? I need this to compile a vmware kernel module
[07:57] <reformist> I've installed g++
[07:57] <reformist> -1.3
[07:57] <bob2> reformist: install build-essential
[07:57] <Quinthius> anyone know what would cause totem to error out when i try to start it? it says resource busy or not available (i'm guessing sound?)
[07:57] <reformist> 3.4
[07:57] <jtan325> bob2, this way makes alot more sense that what i was trying to do
[07:57] <djur> how do I bring up a running PID in a terminal?
[07:57] <bob2> jtan325: yes
[07:57] <oofnik> ahh can someone please give me some help with my gnome panel applets, they keep crashing and i don't know what to do
[07:57] <reformist> bob2: I have it
[07:57] <bob2> djur: that makes no sense
[07:57] <djur> heh
[07:57] <djur> well....
[07:57] <djur> I have something running in the background...
[07:57] <jtan325> bob2, even more embarrassing, it was just last week that i made my first package, and it's going into the debian repos next week...
[07:57] <djur> and I want to pull it up
[07:57] <bob2> reformist: then someone has rooted your machine and deleted random files from your disk
[07:57] <matthew_w> Let's say this bluntly then... what is the likelihood of someone being able to break into my video stream, or my computer even based on installing these codecs?
[07:57] <djur> in a terminal
[07:57] <bob2> djur: "jobs"
[07:58] <bob2> matthew_w: low
[07:58] <bob2> jtan325: hah, congrats; what is it?
[07:58] <bob2> jtan325: (and you'll have to know about sonames for your NM stuff, too ;p)
[07:58] <djur> bob2:  not sure how to use that.
[07:58] <jtan325> hehe
[07:58] <bob2> djur: it's a command you run
[07:58] <jtan325> bob2, http://conky.sf.ent
[07:58] <jtan325> whoops
[07:58] <bob2> djur: that will list jobs in the current shell.  your backgrounded process should be there.
[07:58] <jtan325> bob2, http://conky.sf.net
[07:59] <reformist> bob2: ...right..
[07:59] <bob2> reformist: what does "dpkg -l build-essential | grep ^ii" print out?
[07:59] <matthew_w> Extraordinarily low?  Because I'm extraordinarily paranoid ;)  lol
[07:59] <djur> nothing there..
[07:59] <djur> I put in the file to sessions / startup..
[07:59] <djur> and it's there when  I do ps -l
[07:59] <djur> but I can't bring it up
[08:00] <bob2> matthew_w: if you're paranoid, you won't be running random binary dlls at all then
[08:00] <reformist> bob2: I'm using breezy. ii  build-essential 11.1           informational list of build-essential packages
[08:00] <bob2> djur: then that's different to being in the background
[08:00] <jtan325> bob2, and now it's safe to do "dpkg -i libcairo....deb"? and it should complain about old versions of libpixman or something, and i'll do something simliar for that?
[08:00] <kcidx> ls
[08:00] <djur> how can I force it to open the program in a terminal?
[08:00] <bob2> reformist: if you're not using the stable version of ubuntu, you should mention that in your initial question
[08:00] <kcidx> ooops
[08:00] <bob2> djur: you can't
[08:00] <bob2> djur: what are yo utrying to do?
[08:00] <kcidx> ok i just rebuilt xorg myself.....from cvs and its still booting the old one
[08:01] <kcidx> any help with that?
[08:01] <bob2> jtan325: yes; they will install alongside, only replacing the -doc and -dev ackages
[08:01] <matthew_w> bob2; just more worried about the video stream - I work for an acting agency and can't let some of the videos that we run be... well, spread to the world. XD
[08:01] <djur> it's a background process..  distributed.net app..  I want it to run.. but I don't want to spend much time on it.. just have it there in the background doing its thing
[08:01] <djur> but I want to see that it's there
[08:01] <bob2> djur: ps aux | grep name
[08:01] <jtan325> wow that was so painless
[08:01] <Popjompa> hello all, got a question, and I'm complely new to this
[08:01] <jtan325> it makes me cry
[08:02] <jtan325> knowing that i spent the past day reinstalling
[08:02] <jtan325> three times
[08:02] <kcidx> if i do a export PATH=/opt/xorg-x11/bin:$PATH     then it will give me the right X   what do i do to change this over?
[08:02] <bob2> matthew_w: I would rate the risk as "low", but you're running random dlls that no trusted person has audited.
[08:02] <bob2> matthew_w: copying them yourself from a windows machien you trust might make you happier
[08:02] <matthew_w> This is a dual boot.
[08:03] <bob2> kcidx: why did you do that to begin with?
[08:03] <matthew_w> I tend to trust this one.. lol.
[08:03] <bob2> Popjompa: best to just ask...
[08:03] <wafers> hi!
[08:03] <Quinthius> matthew_w: i don't think what you're talking about has anything to do with the codecs. or at least, there will be no difference compared to using the same codecs in windows...
[08:03] <wafers> i am up and running on ubuntu.. need some help though..
[08:04] <kcidx> bob2, cause in breezy they broke dri
[08:04] <djur> bob2:  sorry I'm slow.. what does the output of that mean?
[08:04] <jtan325> bob2, thanks a bunch for your help. if you do decide to check out conky (the software i packaged) and need help using it, msg me or join #conky
[08:04] <Myrtti> wafers: we're not telepathics
[08:04] <bob2> kcidx: what bug # is the bug you filed?
[08:04] <matthew_w> Quinthius; Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm just overly paranoid that someone will get a hold of these files that they're not supposed to based on me using untrusted codecs.
[08:04] <wafers> hi myrtti do you know anything about getting nvidia video cards working
[08:04] <bob2> djur: it means that it's running
[08:05] <Popjompa> Problem: installed Ubuntu on a USB drive, the setup went fine and i've installed grub and it works fine, when i choose ubuntu it starts up, but not for long. It says: "pivot_root: nu such file or dir. /bin/init:428 cannot open dev/console: nu such file. Kernel panic."
[08:05] <Myrtti> wafers: nope
[08:05] <bob2> wafers: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:05] <bob2> jtan325: np
[08:05] <Quinthius> matthew_w: i say highly unlikely, and if someone had the intent and know-how to do that, i don't think it would involve codecs at all anyway
[08:05] <wafers> thanks bob2 ill take a look my screen is so small right now though.  hope that helps.
[08:05] <matthew_w> Quinthius; You're right.
[08:05] <bob2> I doubt it
[08:06] <kcidx> bob2, its with the r200 driver built with dri 5 but driver was built for 4.x
[08:06] <bob2> kcidx: and you filed a bug?
[08:06] <kcidx> its been filed...
[08:06] <bob2> awesome
[08:06] <bob2>  /etc/X11/X is the only thing you care about
[08:08] <AzMoo> Is there a way I can install firefox with the DOM inspector?
[08:09] <AzMoo> ugh, never mind
[08:09] <bob2> mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector - tool for inspecting the DOM of pages in Mozilla Firefox
[08:09] <AzMoo> I should check synaptic BEFORE I ask ;)
[08:09] <HrdwrBoB> AzMoo: :)
[08:10] <Popjompa> anyone got a clue about the problem i posted?
[08:10] <AzMoo> hrmm, but it's not working. It says it requires version 1.0.2, but I have 1.0.6 :\
[08:10] <bob2> is booting off usb devices supposed to work at all?
[08:11] <Popjompa> dont know, it went fine in the setup, :)
[08:11] <Quinthius> anyone know what would cause totem to error out when i try to start it? it says resource busy or not available (i'm guessing sound?)
[08:11] <bob2> you set it up using the CD
[08:11] <bob2> just don't bother with totem
[08:11] <Popjompa> mm, and it found the hd
[08:12] <bob2> AzMoo: yes, it's not been updated for the firefox security issues
[08:12] <Quinthius> bob2: why not?
[08:12] <Myrtti> vlc
[08:12] <Myrtti> <3
[08:12] <bob2> Popjompa: yes, and if you booted from the internal hard drive, it could see the usb disk, too
[08:12] <bob2> being able to boot off != being able to use once booted
[08:12] <bob2> Popjompa: try asking on the ubuntu-user list
[08:12] <mae> at this point is gstreamer 0.9 going to make it into breezy
[08:12] <AzMoo> bob2, so I can't install it?!
[08:12] <Popjompa> ok, guess my problem is solved, it won't work. :)
[08:13] <Madpilot> mae: packages.ubuntu.com and have a search - you can search all three versions of Ubuntu
[08:13] <bob2> AzMoo: not easily
[08:13] <bob2> Popjompa: I didn't say that
[08:13] <AzMoo> omg
[08:13] <Popjompa> guess it must load some drivers for the usb before i can detect the hd
[08:14] <bob2> AzMoo: it's in universe, it's not covered by the ubuntu securit yteam.  #ubuntu-motu might be able to help.
[08:15] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know a good download manager for speeding up download speeds?
[08:15] <AzMoo> bob2, cheers.
[08:15] <h08817> does anyone know how to setup a web server with a linksys router
[08:16] <cafuego> the same was as any other router?
[08:16] <adoyretsamon> h08817, you mean webserver local on pc behind router>
[08:16] <h08817> yes
[08:16] <adoyretsamon> you need to port-forward to the port you use
[08:16] <adoyretsamon> directions can be found via google
[08:16] <h08817> and how do i know what port i use?
[08:16] <cafuego> h08817: 80
[08:16] <h08817> i have been on this for 5 hours and i haven't got anything
[08:16] <jtan325> bob2, you wouldn't happen to know how to install libsvg-cairo would you ? i couldn't find the sources on that site
[08:16] <cafuego> 80/tcp
[08:16] <adoyretsamon> some ISPs block port 80
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> try another port if that doesnot work
[08:17] <mrichman> why is the gaim in the repos so far behind current
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.practicallynetworked.com/support/linksys_router_help_pg4.htm&ei=4-IbQ5P0DInSaIy_3ZAN
[08:17] <mrichman> is their a current version?
[08:17] <h08817> i have apache and i just bss the dns and stuff b/c i dont' have one yet
[08:17] <cafuego> mrichman: Because it woul sbe a major upgrade; which isn't done on stable releases.
[08:17] <cafuego> mrichman: you can backport it.
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> i setup a dyndns.org account to my personal apache server
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> much nicer
[08:17] <adoyretsamon> nn
[08:18] <mrichman> cafuego: how is that done?
[08:18] <cafuego> mrichman: where to start...
[08:18] <cafuego> !backport
[08:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, backport is see !backports
[08:18] <cafuego> !backports
[08:18] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[08:18] <h08817> well i just want to know how i can host my own site
[08:18] <Myrtti> gaim < bitlbee
[08:18] <cafuego> STart with those.
[08:19] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know a good download manager for speeding up download speeds?
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> one that calls your ISP and upgrades your account
[08:19] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: how would a download manager speed up your connection?
[08:20] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: when is vicnet enabled adsl2 on the north melbourne exchange?
[08:20] <cafuego> s/d/ing/
[08:20] <jknife> what do i put instead of horay for bleeding edge
[08:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> Cafuego - they split-up the file into parts and max the connection for each part? In Windows, FlashGet DLs faster than Firefox.
[08:20] <Carpe_Libertatem> for example
[08:20] <h08817> well once my router is configured correctly will i be able to go to my internal ip
[08:20] <cafuego> jknife: If you need to ask, DON'T
[08:21] <aftertaf> :) cafuego
[08:21] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: That's a windows problem, not a Linux (or firefox) one.
[08:21] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is it?
[08:21] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: Yes.
[08:22] <jknife> cafuego, :-| your jokeing right??? ive used more update distros then this.... im brand new to ubuntu
[08:22] <cafuego> Carpe_Libertatem: Download speed is a function of bandwith on either host.
[08:22] <cafuego> jknife: There will be a new version next month, just be patient.
[08:22] <Myrtti> Auckland_Pig: easier than windows :->
[08:22] <aftertaf> jknife:  breezy...
[08:22] <Myrtti> no registering, no buyin, no money
[08:22] <jknife> aftertaf, thanks
[08:22] <chickboiec> i need help
[08:22] <jknife> wasnt that hard
[08:22] <chickboiec> any1 can ?
[08:22] <cafuego> jknife: Coz if you upgrade now and come back complaining breezy is broken ...
[08:22] <aftertaf> chickboiec:  ask your question... :)
[08:22] <cafuego> jknife: I swear I will make people not help you.
[08:23] <Jaivaz> Is gnome-look.org down for you guys as well?
[08:23] <pef> hi
[08:23] <chickboiec> i have a shop here in the phil.
[08:23] <aftertaf> jknife:  cafuego is right tho///
[08:23] <chickboiec> we have problem using ubuntu?
[08:23] <seife> im new to linux
[08:23] <seife> i tried it
[08:23] <Auckland_Pig> Myrtti: anything i need to know before i start using it?
[08:23] <chickboiec> me 2 im new 2 linox
[08:23] <cafuego> jknife: it *is* broken you 8will* have problems. Do you understand?
[08:23] <mrichman> cafuego: thanks!
[08:23] <jknife> cafuego, ive used gentoo ffs... and E17.. i can work out broken software
[08:23] <seife> cuz ive always been windows user
[08:23] <seife> ubuntu gave me sound prob
[08:23] <seife> network prob
[08:23] <Jaivaz> I take it it's down for you guys as well.
[08:23] <seife> just those two
[08:24] <Auckland_Pig> seife: were they resolved?
[08:24] <cafuego> jknife: Off you go then
[08:24] <Auckland_Pig> do you still have those problems?
[08:24] <seife> Nope, they werent , but they can be solved.
[08:24] <seife> Yes i do, my sound at headphones is poor
[08:24] <Myrtti> Auckland_Pig: All linuxes have issues writing to NTFS partitions. If you intend to make your system dualboot and want to write stuff to a windows partition while in Linux, NTFS is not your choise
[08:24] <seife> and i dont have sound with speakers
[08:24] <chickboiec> ei anyone could help ?
[08:24] <Myrtti> choice, even
[08:24] <aftertaf> Jaivaz:  seems to resolve anyway..
[08:24] <seife> but u cant be helped by some sound guru
[08:24] <aftertaf> but no page arriving
[08:24] <seife> then u'll get sound
[08:25] <chickboiec> i need help badly
[08:25] <Jaivaz> Odd
[08:25] <chickboiec> any1 have the time to spare with ?
[08:25] <aftertaf> chickboiec:  ask your question.
[08:25] <aftertaf> someone will reply ;)
[08:25] <chickboiec> im planning to change my os to linux
[08:25] <aftertaf> ok
[08:25] <chickboiec> i dont have the licence >
[08:25] <Myrtti> aaaannnndd?
[08:25] <Jaivaz> I can't seem to connect to the forum either..
[08:25] <Myrtti> dou
[08:26] <aftertaf> license for what?
[08:26] <Auckland_Pig> Myrtti: what if i keep a small FAT32 partition?  can i use it to swap data between windows and linux?
[08:26] <Madpilot> anyone here use Screem & CVS together?
[08:26] <chickboiec> for microsoft
[08:26] <Myrtti> Auckland_Pig: yes.
[08:26] <aftertaf> we cant help you there....
[08:26] <jknife> cafuego, one question what kernel does breezy use? 2.6.13?
[08:26] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: fat32 is ok for holding data both OS' can read
[08:26] <chickboiec> i have a computer cafe
[08:26] <aftertaf> apart from saying its a one way trip
[08:26] <chickboiec> no im planning to change my os
[08:26] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: fat32 has a file size limit, tho and i think it's somewere areound 4gb
[08:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i find out what my cdrom device is?
[08:26] <cafuego> jknife: Smart former gentoo users can look that up :-P
[08:26] <Myrtti> chickboiec: why would you need a licence for microsoft if you're planning on to switching to linux?
[08:26] <chickboiec> no my point is
[08:26] <Myrtti> I'm confused
[08:27] <Auckland_Pig> johndarkhorse: oh 4gb is good...
[08:27] <Myrtti> yeah, get to it
[08:27] <Madpilot> chickboiec: you're seriously running a computer cafe on illegal copies of Windows? that's... possibly not bright?
[08:27] <Auckland_Pig> thank you all....
[08:27] <cafuego> chickboiec: Yes, you can run ubuntu on as many computers as you like.
[08:27] <chickboiec> yeah
[08:27] <chickboiec> so im switing
[08:27] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: not for backing up your dvds, it isnt
[08:27] <Sir_Brizz> I just installed proftpd but I can't figure out how to configure it so that if you login as site1:password it will lock you to /var/www/site1 so that you can upload files to your own site. Can anyone help?
[08:27] <chickboiec> switching
[08:27] <seife> im runing on an ilegal copy of windows
[08:27] <seife> i dont have money to buy it
[08:27] <chickboiec> can all application can be run with ubunto ?
[08:27] <cafuego> chickboiec: it will be fine for web browsing and email
[08:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[08:27] <chickboiec> ubuntu rather
[08:27] <Madpilot> seife: that's why I'm running Ubuntu rather than XP...
[08:27] <jknife> 2.6.11-9 is it??
[08:27] <Auckland_Pig> johndarkhorse: will rip them and convert them to 700mb :p
[08:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> chickboiec all applications on which operating system?
[08:27] <cafuego> jknife: no.
[08:27] <aftertaf> chickboiec:  depends what, but most have equivalents
[08:27] <seife> i think on vista version u have to buy it, cuz if u dont put an original serial, it wont install
[08:28] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: enjoy!
[08:28] <chickboiec> ah ic
[08:28] <chickboiec> u know warcraft?
[08:28] <Myrtti> chickboiec: not windows ones, unless you use cedega or wine
[08:28] <chickboiec> im using wine
[08:28] <jknife> thats what packages.ubuntu.com says
[08:28] <hume> hi....how do I use webmin in ubuntu, when there is no root account activated? or mount samba shares? only root can mount, but root is no samba user...
[08:28] <cafuego> chickboiec: there's mozilla/firefox for web (and webmail) and openoffice for Office stuff. Gimp for photoshop.
[08:28] <Myrtti> sudo
[08:28] <Myrtti> !root
[08:28] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:28] <chickboiec> i have that
[08:28] <cafuego> !info linux-image-386 breezy
[08:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i tell which device is my dvd?
[08:28] <ubotu> linux-image-386: (Linux kernel image on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS> (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[08:28] <jknife> my bad 12
[08:28] <chickboiec> how about other application like warcraft ragnarok and other online games?
[08:28] <Myrtti> I need to was this henna off my head
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> Question.
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> why does synaptic think 2.0.1-2 is lower than 1.2.4-1
[08:29] <aftertaf> chickboiec:  there is a package calleddega for runnung zin games in nux... its costs ca$h tho ce
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> (trying to install anjuta 2.0 from debian experimental)
[08:29] <foulplay2> Hey guys, Just wondering, what would be a decent linux bit to put on a 1gb pen drive
[08:29] <Jaivaz> Is Gnome-look.org and Ubuntu-Forums down for everyone else?
[08:29] <aftertaf> Jaivaz:  gnomelook yep
[08:29] <seife> foulplay2: fedora, ubuntu, debian
[08:30] <Jaivaz> Odd
[08:30] <cafuego> foulplay2: The Ubutnu liveCD should be fine; HrdwrBoB may or may not be able to confirm that.
[08:30] <hume> Myrtti, yeah, i can sudo, but how do I access webmin, that is configured by default to have a user root?
[08:30] <foulplay2> Ubuntu can install onto a 1gb pen drive?
[08:30] <Cashel> anyone know why xmms wouldnt be able to read from an ntfs drive even as root?
[08:30] <Jaivaz> Well, I finally got the forums to load
[08:30] <cafuego> Cashel: ntfs sucks?
[08:30] <Madpilot> Jaivaz: gnome-look is, Ub forums not to be
[08:30] <Cashel> cafuego: amen
[08:31] <aftertaf> hehe Cashel
[08:31] <jknife> Jaivaz, Gnome-look.org isnt working for me
[08:31] <Cashel> doesnt help me much tho, heh
[08:31] <aftertaf> Cashel:  is it mounted?
[08:31] <Vaske_Car> can Unbuntu work with Samba, vsftpd and TeamSpeak server?
[08:31] <brownie17> hey everyone, what is the command for the archive manager?
[08:31] <foulplay2> Cashel: run this script as root (sudo): http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~foulplay/winmac_fstab
[08:31] <chickboiec> i dont get it ?? what are the requirement for me to use some of the application that i have right now > anyone ? help me pls try 2 pm me im quite confuse on the main channel
[08:31] <Cashel> aftertaf, yes, with permissions set to a user...
[08:32] <chickboiec> i have a shop with 20 pc > and im afraid being raid by microsoft
[08:32] <deFrysk> brownie17, file-roller
[08:32] <brownie17> thanx
[08:32] <Cashel> foulplay2, I'm already mounted properly
[08:32] <foulplay2> Oh, sorry
[08:32] <Cashel> no worries
[08:32] <cafuego> chickboiec: Well, 1) Switch to Ubuntu or 2) Mis-invest your profits into Windows XP licenses.
[08:33] <chickboiec> im planning to switch to linux
[08:33] <foulplay2> I get copies of windows xp pro from my school for $3.50
[08:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> grip says it can't initialize /dev/scd0..anyone know what the problem could be?
[08:33] <cafuego> surely the business plan has some guidelines?
[08:33] <Madpilot> chickboiec: Linux has it's own applications for most things. Windows is a totally seperate system...
[08:33] <foulplay2> :-P
[08:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> chickboiec have fun.
[08:33] <brownie17> foulplay: is that legal :)
[08:33] <foulplay2> They're legal copies
[08:33] <brownie17> foulplay2: nice
[08:33] <foulplay2> My school bought several thousand licenses
[08:34] <Madpilot> foulplay2: legal for students of your school, sure
[08:34] <brownie17> pretty big school
[08:34] <cafuego> foulplay2: if they school has a site license, sure. He must stop using it when he leaves that school, though.
[08:34] <cafuego> brownie17: Or if it's like australua, the government pays MS to license windoze for all computers in all state schools
[08:34] <brownie17> hey, i need a hand
[08:34] <cafuego> couple of million per year
[08:35] <foulplay2> It works for what I need it to, though I'm thinking of putting OS X x86 on my computer tomorrow :-X
[08:35] <Madpilot> cafuego: Edubuntu...
[08:35] <cafuego> Madpilot: Hahaha!
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> if beos had more apps, or if mac osx would be released on x86, i'd switch from linux.
[08:35] <cafuego> Madpilot: Do you know how married MS and DE&T are?
[08:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's absurd that in an era like this, os choices are limited to such crap.
[08:36] <Madpilot> cafuego: DE&T is education ministry?
[08:36] <brownie17> why can't i remove a directory?
[08:36] <s00d> Hi. I'm having trouble locating my grub.conf. SHouldn't it be in /boot/grub?
[08:36] <eggo> hey
[08:36] <Madpilot> brownie17: possibly because root owns it?
[08:36] <eggo> can anyone tell me what the hell to do with a .bin?
[08:36] <cafuego> Madpilot: I'm sure bribes are involved at some stage; the department of eductiuon and training has some people who acively sabotage any linux inreads
[08:36] <brownie17> madpilot: but shouldn't the sudo command take care of that?
[08:36] <hume> eggo, execute it
[08:36] <zcat[1] > chmod +x foo.bin ; ./foo.bin
[08:36] <cafuego> eggo: put rubbish in it
[08:36] <aftertaf> BROKEN_LADDER:  frustration leads to disillusionment... why is linux so cr*p?
[08:36] <cafuego> eggo: What is the .bin?
[08:36] <Madpilot> brownie17: in that case, check the permissions rather than the ownership
[08:37] <s00d> No?
[08:37] <mrichman> is there a limit to haw many chars the root password can be inorder to use the gui sudo
[08:37] <eggo> realplayer
[08:37] <cafuego> eggo: ouch
[08:37] <brownie17> madpilot: but i created it with the sudo command, shouldn't i then be able ot delete iwth that?
[08:37] <eggo> cafuego: ?
[08:37] <zcat[1] > eggo: rm foo.bin ; apt-get install mplayer-386 w32c0decs
[08:37] <bimberi> cafuego: I think CIOs having lunch with Bill was all it took :P
[08:37] <s00d> I want to boot with "apm=on" -- How do I do this?
[08:37] <zcat[1] > *codecs
[08:38] <Madpilot> brownie17: I would have guessed so, but check permissions & ownership anyway
[08:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> aftertaf the entire structure of any *nix is steeped in decades of legacy.
[08:38] <brownie17> madpilot: say owner has RE WR and EX, others and group have just RE
[08:38] <aftertaf> BROKEN_LADDER:  DNS root hierarchy structure... seems to work fine imho.
[08:39] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: and MS's stuff *isn't*? ;)
[08:39] <penticlex> looking for a 64bit mozilla -flash package
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> penticlex: no such thing
[08:39] <eggo> zcat[1] : i have vlc so I don't need just another player, i need to get the plugins working for firefox
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> aftertaf in beos, for instance, i had an dynamic-attribute-based 64-bit journalled file architecture.  never had to run any ckfs.  never had a search take longer than 1 second.
[08:39] <zcat[1] > find the vlc plugin package for firefox?
[08:39] <Madpilot> brownie17: in that case you should be able to do whatever you like to it... but I'm not an expert...
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot MS is even worse.
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot i was praising beos.
[08:39] <brownie17> madpilot: so how do i delete it, says cannot delete, is a directory
[08:39] <chickboiec> anybody << have tried installing other online games like ragnarok and MU
[08:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> linux takes eons to boot
[08:40] <brownie17> madpilot: doesn't make sense
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> partially because it runs services before getting to gui.
[08:40] <Madpilot> brownie17: "sudo rm <whatever>" doesn't work? (and no, it doesn't make sense to me either)
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos boots on my system in 5 seconds or so.  linux takes about a minute.
[08:40] <Vaske_Car> anybody using teamspeak server on ubuntu?
[08:40] <aftertaf> BROKEN_LADDER:  i don't know anything about beos.
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> aftertaf it's amazing.
[08:40] <brownie17> madpilotL: then how do i change permissons so everyone can do whatever to it?
[08:40] <penticlex> 64 is fast but I just might go back to my 32 bit just for the lack of hassel
[08:40] <Madpilot> what is beos, anyway?
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's blazing fast.
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot the Be Operating System.  It sort of "died" but now a company called Yellowtab is re-invigorating it.
[08:41] <Vaske_Car> linux based as well?
[08:41] <HrdwrBoB> no, it's an OS all of it's own
[08:41] <eggo> does vlc have firefox plugins?
[08:41] <eggo> cause vlc is so great
[08:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot it was an OS written from the ground up to be fast, with pervasive multithreading and such.
[08:41] <Carpe_Libertatem> Yeah.
[08:41] <zcat[1] > I thought Beos was the guy who runs Amazon
[08:41] <eggo> i mean... if it's media, vlc plays it ^^
[08:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not linux based, but it was mostly posix compliant.
[08:41] <Carpe_Libertatem> If you do apt-cache search vlc you'll see plugins
[08:41] <Madpilot> brownie17: www.linuxcommand.org - it's got a permissions tutorial
[08:41] <brownie17> allright
[08:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> BeOS info available at http://www.yellowtab.com/
[08:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> Years ago, Apple almost bought BeOS, but Jean-Louis Gassee, the owner and former top dog at Apple, tried to squeeze Apple by the balls until they told him to take a hike.
[08:43] <Madpilot> brownie17: http://www.linuxcommand.org/lts0070.php for Permissions - but going thru the entire tutorial from the beginning won't take that long and it's well written
[08:43] <Agrajag> and they bought NeXT instead
[08:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, i thought that was after they had purchased next.
[08:43] <aftertaf> this should maybe go #ubuntu-offtopic guys.....
[08:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> instead of beos they ultimately wound up with OS X.
[08:43] <aftertaf> we have n00bs needing help too ;)
[08:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, i have an ubuntu issue.
[08:44] <aftertaf> hehe ;)
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> why can't i get my dvd drive to work now that i'm using kde?
[08:44] <locomorto> n00bs is harsh
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> n00bs rhymes with b00bs.
[08:44] <brownie17> madpilot: when i use sudo and it asks for a password, is it asking for my user account password or my root password?
[08:44] <locomorto> newbies is more appropiate (hey there using linux!)
[08:44] <Agrajag> user
[08:44] <aftertaf> brownie17:  user pass
[08:44] <locomorto> their*
[08:44] <Agrajag> there is no root password
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> they're
[08:44] <locomorto> Unless you make a root pass that is
[08:44] <aftertaf> brownie17:  otherwise that means users know root password
[08:44] <brownie17> aftertaf: damn, so if i have forgotten my root pass, then i am screwed?
[08:44] <Madpilot> !tell brownie17 about root
[08:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> locomorto you spelled it wrong twice. :)
[08:44] <dieman> hrm
[08:45] <locomorto> shoot
[08:45] <dieman> is there any effort to somehow quantify how many people are 'choosing' ubuntu?
[08:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 if you have physical access to a machine, you're never screwed.
[08:45] <locomorto> damn
[08:45] <locomorto> not agian
[08:45] <zcat[1] > physical access and a live CD..
[08:45] <dieman> aside from just pointing people at the linux counter, i guess?
[08:45] <Madpilot> dieman: distrowatch's counter thingie?
[08:45] <brownie17> broken_ladder: are you suggsting that i use a password cracking software type to get it back?
[08:45] <aftertaf> brownie17:  did you define one?
[08:46] <dieman> Madpilot: yeah, but thats not the same as like the whole 'Fedora has great growth on netcraft' stuff
[08:46] <locomorto> brownie you only screwed if you also forgot your bios pass
[08:46] <dieman> Madpilot: distrowatch is just how many hits they got. :|
[08:46] <brownie17> aftertaf: honestly can't remember, had to install it three times, a few stuff up's at first
[08:46] <Madpilot> brownie17: did you set root up on Ubuntu? or have you just forgotten your user password?
[08:46] <locomorto> and as such cant boot from a cd
[08:46] <brownie17> madpilot: i know my user password
[08:46] <locomorto> then you have to shell out and stick the drive in another comp
[08:46] <Madpilot> brownie17: your user pw is your sudo pw
[08:46] <dieman> i can jump around and tell people here about ubuntu a lot, but aside from me being excited -- they can't look at media sources to see the growth of ubuntu.
[08:46] <dieman> and that people actually use it
[08:47] <brownie17> madpilot: but i want to log into root for a second to install something
[08:47] <zcat[1] > by default ubuntu does not set a root password.. edit /etc/shadow and s/root:*:/root::/ then you can log in as root and set one.
[08:47] <Agrajag> brownie17: run it with sudo
[08:47] <Madpilot> brownie17: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 i'm suggesting just physically altering your data.
[08:47] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: use sudo
[08:47] <Agrajag> or use sudo -s to start a root shell
[08:47] <Vaske_Car> what is the website of these guys who continued to work on BEOS?
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 you could just make a new password and md5 it, and put that in your file.
[08:47] <johndarkhorse> Vaske_Car: yellowtab
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> Vaske_Car http://haiku.org or something like that
[08:47] <vu> Does the distrowatch's counter work just like iTunes counter for the most popular podcast?
[08:47] <Quinthius> brownie17: if you really need an interactive root shell you can do something like: sudo -H -s
[08:47] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, that will not work, there are not actual md5 hashes in there
[08:47] <Seveas> but salted ones
[08:48] <brownie17> broken_ladder: i dont think i'll really ever use another password, so its probably not worth it
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> Vaske_Car look up haiku beos  or you can get the professional project at http://www.yellowtab.com/
[08:48] <s0od> Hi. I lost my onnection. I was wondering if anybody could tell me where I could find my grub.conf file?
[08:48] <johndarkhorse> hi seveas!
[08:48] <penticlex> use sudo users-admin
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 huh?
[08:48] <Quinthius> brownie17: but try to stick to normal sudo for single commands and such
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas in where?
[08:48] <bimberi> s0od: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:48] <Seveas> s0od, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:48] <penticlex> then you can change the pwd
[08:48] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, shadow
[08:48] <tritium> hey there Seveas
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas thene where are the actually hashes?
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> they have to be somewhere
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> just alter them
[08:48] <s0od> And if I wanted to boot my kernel with apm=on, do I just put that on the end of the kernel option?
[08:49] <brownie17> seveas: broken_ladder: why can't i delete an entire directory?
[08:49] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, they are in there, but linux does not use normal md5 hashes...
[08:49] <Vaske_Car> its called now ZETA not BeOs
[08:49] <Seveas> brownie17, what do you want to delete?
[08:49] <Seveas> hi tritium, johndarkhorse
[08:49] <locomorto> Also, if ou use the Linux 1 option dont you boot to a root terminal?
[08:49] <brownie17> seveas: a directory i accidnetly made when trying to install a program through "sudo file-roller"
[08:49] <locomorto> you*
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> brownie17 you can rm -rf directory
[08:49] <Seveas> brownie17, ack
[08:49] <Seveas> brownie17, sudo rm -r /path/to/folder
[08:50] <brownie17> seveas: "ack"? is that english?
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> it was never BeOs, it was BeOS
[08:50] <Seveas> brownie17, just a sign of understanding :)
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> as in B O S
[08:50] <s0od> bimberi: is this right? /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash apm=on
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> buzzword enhanced operating system
[08:50] <bimberi> s0od: yes that's the line to put it on (I don't know if that syntax is correct)
[08:50] <brownie17> seveas: oh ok, why is the command different to delete a directory?
[08:50] <Seveas> brownie17, because you create it with sudo you will have to remove it with sudo
[08:50] <s0od> Bimberi, seveas: thanks.
[08:50] <brownie17> seveas: yes, but why the -rf?
[08:51] <Seveas> the -r means recursive, so it will delete the contents of the directory too
[08:51] <brownie17> seveas: oh ok, i get it... whats the f?
[08:51] <Seveas> f is force, should not be used unless neccessary
[08:51] <locomorto> infact if you try to delete a directory without the -r command then it will cough and die
[08:51] <Madpilot> brownie17: "man rm"
[08:51] <brownie17> seveas: ok
[08:51] <locomorto> brownie: man rm
[08:52] <brownie17> man rm?
[08:52] <locomorto> if you use konqueror: browse to man:/rm
[08:52] <locomorto> in terminal
[08:52] <locomorto> man (manual) <command/topic>
[08:52] <Madpilot> brownie17: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands - "man <command>" brings up that command's manual page
[08:52] <number2178> hi, i am trying to apt-get libwxgtk2.6-dev and it does not work. do i miss something in the configuration of the package manager ? and another library i fail to install is x11proto-video-dev
[08:52] <Seveas> but man is horrible for new users
[08:52] <locomorto> theres also xman for a gui enviro
[08:52] <number2178> thank you
[08:52] <Seveas> even yelp is better
[08:53] <Seveas> (yes, yelp does man pages too)
[08:53] <locomorto> but the KDE io slave pwns
[08:53] <vu> Does anybody know if the Firefox 1.0.4 have built in support bitorrent?
[08:53] <Madpilot> Seveas: some of them are OK. "man intro" is well written
[08:53] <Seveas> kioslaves are a horrible concept...
[08:53] <jknife> vu, dont think so
[08:53] <johndarkhorse> vu: it does not
[08:53] <locomorto> vu
[08:53] <Seveas> (but let's not get religious...)
[08:53] <number2178> Firefox does not have support for BT, Opera does
[08:53] <locomorto> vu: no
[08:53] <locomorto> vu: use azureos
[08:53] <Madpilot> number2178: not yet it doesn't, sorry
[08:53] <brownie17> so i have another question, i downloaded an archive of limewire, becasue it wasn't in synaptic... and now i don't know how to install it because the files are in like folders named where they should go, in like hte ight path tree, but how do i make the files go to the allready made directories instead of creating a new fodler inside the folder i want them in?
[08:54] <Seveas> vu, moreover FF is at 1.0.6 now. 1.0.4 has security bugs
[08:54] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: simple solution: use gtk-gnutella
[08:54] <vu> oh I see OK
[08:54] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: i can't i need to be able to open ports for that, and my modem is faulty, it all works completely fine except for port forwarding, comes up with a stupid error and no help
[08:55] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: if gtk-gnutella doesnt work for you, then limewire wont either
[08:55] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: the two proggys do the same thing
[08:55] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: you sure? limewire worked with my old computer and this same modem
[08:55] <mrichman> vu: iirc there are extensions for BT support in firefox
[08:56] <number2178> any ideas regarding libs libwxgtk2.6-dev and x11proto-video-dev ? is there repository i should add ? i am trying to compile VLC on my desktop with WMV support according to http://nanocrew.net/?p=129
[08:56] <vu> mrichman, I am not sure I understand you?
[08:56] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: gtk-gnutella nd limewire do the same thing, one is gtk the other is java
[08:56] <Seveas> !info libwxgtk2.6-dev
[08:56] <mrichman> you can add extensions into firefox are you familiar with that
[08:57] <vu> mrichman, Oh to support bitTorrent is that correct?
[08:57] <mrichman> go to tools -> Extensions
[08:57] <mrichman> yes
[08:57] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: well then i need to call d-link and get htem to tell me what to do to my modem then?
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> does it make sense that i would go from gnome to kde and no longer be able to use my dvd drive?
[08:57] <vu> great thanx
[08:58] <vu> mrichman, BTW Opera supports it now.
[08:58] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: i'm not familiar with your situation
[08:58] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, no
[08:58] <brownie17> broken_ladder: there are thingos you have to add for DVD drive support, and maybe the one you had isnt compatible with KDE
[08:58] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: you can get back with me when im not at work
[08:58] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: my usual nick is 'nalioth'
[08:58] <Seveas> johndarkhorse, ah lol :)
[08:58] <Seveas> why are you incognito?
[08:58] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: oh ok, hahah didn't know, i talked to you both
[08:58] <number2178> No menu item `libwxgtk2.6-dev' in node `(dir)Top
[08:58] <Seveas> number2178, ?
[08:59] <johndarkhorse> Seveas: i'm at my paying job, and didnt want too many distractions
[08:59] <brownie17> fair enough
[08:59] <number2178> i think i added all repositories - uncommented all lines in that apt-get configuration file and still i can not find x11proto-video-dev and libwxgtk2.6-dev
[09:00] <brownie17> i think ill call d-link, unless you are familiar with the d-link dsl 302g adsl modem/router, seveas?
[09:00] <number2178> in case of wxgtk i solved the problem by downloading the code and compiling though i am not sure that i got the correct version. in case of that x11proto i really do not know what to do
[09:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is so crazy
[09:01] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: it should work under all OS'
[09:02] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: it's not an os problem i dont think, i've never port forwarded before, tried yesterday and it gave me error "501 (i think) method not implemented"
[09:02] <fatejudger> does anyone here use jackd?
[09:02] <fatejudger> I can't seem to get it to work
[09:02] <Vaske_Car> it ubuntu buggy as Suse? (crash handle is most active application in there)
[09:02] <aftertaf> !info jackd
[09:02] <ubotu> jackd: (JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.99.0-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 316 kB
[09:02] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: have you been to portforward.com  ?
[09:03] <fatejudger> aftertaf: do you use jackd?
[09:04] <aftertaf> nope.... was loking to see what it is.
[09:04] <fatejudger> it's like aRts
[09:04] <fatejudger> but with no latency
[09:04] <fatejudger> I can't get it to work
[09:05] <aftertaf> no idea.. sory
[09:06] <srbaker> sigh
[09:06] <srbaker> fucking nautilus keeps eating my DVD-Rs
[09:07] <vu> Any clue if anyone is working on the Linux version of dashboard with all great add ons like the OSX community has?
[09:07] <johndarkhorse> vu, you mean something like adesklets, gdesklets or superkaramba?
[09:07] <vu> johndarkhorse, Hmm..never heard of those ;-(
[09:08] <srbaker> i've only ever heard of gdesklets
[09:08] <aftertaf> superkarambe :)
[09:08] <aftertaf> _e +a
[09:09] <johndarkhorse> vu, they are all available via apt-get
[09:09] <srbaker> superkaramba is better than gdesklets?
[09:09] <locomorto> superkarmba pwns
[09:09] <aftertaf> different
[09:09] <aftertaf> what is pwns?
[09:09] <vu> johndarkhorse, Under ubuntu right?
[09:10] <johndarkhorse> srbaker: superkaramba is kde based
[09:10] <srbaker> ahh
[09:10] <johndarkhorse> vu: you can search them out using synaptic
[09:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> what can i do to find out why my cdrom has no /dev/ entry?  it used to be /dev/scd0 and now it's not there.
[09:10] <Vaske_Car> treba i?i spavati
[09:11] <johndarkhorse> srbaker: gdesklets ore for gnome oriented, and adesklets are DM agnostic
[09:11] <srbaker> ah
[09:11] <Madpilot> aftertaf: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwns  ;)
[09:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> could hal help me figure out what's up with my dvdrw?
[09:14] <srbaker> grrr
[09:14] <pitti> BROKEN_LADDER: so your problem is that there is no device?
[09:15] <aftertaf> locomorto, Madpilot ... :) oki.
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> right
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> there was before..for months.
[09:16] <Madpilot> aftertaf: amazing what you learn here, isn't it?
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> today everything is going haywire on my computer.  that is only like 5 months old i might add.
[09:16] <Madpilot> anyway, I'm off. need sleep. later, all
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> my computer keeps freezing
[09:16] <pitti> BROKEN_LADDER: hoary or breezy?
[09:16] <aftertaf> Madpilot:  insane :)
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i have to reboot
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> hoary.
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> how could i be using breezy?
[09:16] <pitti> BROKEN_LADDER: hm, and everything worked well before? could really be a hardware problem then
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> out of nowhere?
[09:17] <tritium> he's got unofficial repos for one thing
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> no i don't.
[09:17] <tritium> yes, I saw them earlier today
[09:17] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: ladder check your thermal conditions (dust on the heatsink, fan operations ,etc)
[09:17] <tritium> your alsa repos
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have a couple that are just for minisip and another app, but not for any ubuntu stuff.
[09:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> dude, this computer is clean as a whistel
[09:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just a few months old, and the heat sink is like a hot rod engine with metal tubes and a powerful fan.
[09:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> shouldn't i be able to see the temperature?
[09:19] <fredforfaen> yeah with lm-sensors
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> bogomips        : 6324.22 that's nice
[09:19] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, if you're using unofficial repos for alsa, i would say that's a likely candidate for breakage.
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not
[09:19] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, bad ram is the most likely cause of random freezes though.  followed by driver issues.
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> what are you talking about?
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> the ram i got was very highly rated at newegg
[09:20] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, so?  it could still be bad.
[09:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> this all follows an upgrade i just did
[09:20] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, what got upgraded?
[09:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> hell if i know.  there's no way to cehck
[09:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> check
[09:20] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you don't recall what got upgraded, and therefore can't guarantee that something didn't get pulled in from the alsa repos
[09:20] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, well it asks you before it upgrades and tells you what it's upgrading. you should've noticed.
[09:21] <fredforfaen> hey i had the same issue with gtk2 apps recently , every app hanged the comp....maybe its something like that?
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> srbaker never had any reason to look
[09:21] <tritium> you should always pay attention
[09:21] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, you always have reason to look.  the reason is, there may be random lock ups afterward.
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> never had a reason to before
[09:21] <srbaker> :P
[09:21] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, same reason.  you just got lucky before.
[09:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would the upgrades be unstable?
[09:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought the whole point is, they should be stable
[09:22] <srbaker> sigh.
[09:22] <srbaker> because they can't be tested in every possible configuration
[09:22] <fredforfaen> true srbaker
[09:22] <fredforfaen> that imposiible , or close to
[09:23] <fredforfaen> impossible*
[09:23] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, you should always pay attention to what's happening.  if you don't, then when something breaks, you'll have no idea why.
[09:23] <Dark|Blue> is it possible to start up gparted / parted with just the ubuntu cd?
[09:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> i didn't even notice until hours later that my cdrom wasn't working.
[09:23] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, so next time you do an upgrade, you'll pay attention, right?
[09:24] <fredforfaen> that sounds like a broken system allright :P
[09:24] <kushboy> PLEASE HELP :)  I have SB Audigy and no sound. Any way to correct this?
[09:24] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, run memtest, too.  just in case.
[09:24] <fredforfaen> alsaconf , run it
[09:24] <srbaker> BROKEN_LADDER, memtest will let you know if there's any bad hardware.
[09:24] <jknife> kushboy, alsa modules loaded?
[09:24] <fredforfaen> kushboy<---------------
[09:24] <kushboy> I think some
[09:24] <Dark|Blue> kushboy: run alsamixer, make sure the center channel isnt muted
[09:25] <kushboy> hm...I think it was
[09:25] <kushboy> let me test it
[09:25] <Dark|Blue> think its muted by default
[09:25] <zcat[1] > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:25] <kushboy> gotta find an audio cd or something
[09:25] <kushboy> might be a minute
[09:26] <zcat[1] > yep.. that's stable :)
[09:26] <fredforfaen> well have to go gyes , bye all!
[09:27] <kushboy> ALRIGHT, CD is playing, Volume meter bouncing, but no sound
[09:27] <srbaker> kushboy, something must be muted.  PCM?
[09:27] <jknife> are the speakers pluged in?
[09:27] <kushboy> yeah, they work on windows
[09:28] <kushboy> master surround is off
[09:28] <kushboy> surround is off
[09:28] <srbaker> kushboy, unmute everything
[09:28] <kushboy> k
[09:28] <Vaske_Car> vu odgovori privatno
[09:29] <kushboy> everything is on, and raised to 100
[09:29] <kushboy> no sound
[09:29] <Cashel> kushboy: also under System > Preferences > Multimedia Selector  .. make sure everything is e Sound  or ESD .. also make sure whatever your using is too...
[09:30] <kushboy> I made em ESD. Is there a way to check that setting on CD Player?
[09:31] <Cashel> kushboy, what cd player app you using?
[09:31] <kushboy> the one ubuntu came with
[09:31] <Cashel> "CD Player" ?
[09:31] <kushboy> yes
[09:31] <Cashel> got ya nevermind, heh
[09:32] <kushboy> anything else i can try? Audigy is supposed to work?
[09:32] <Dark|Blue> You sure its using the right device in the Sound control?
[09:33] <Cashel> hmm doesnt look like CD Player has a choice for it... tried installing mplayer?
[09:33] <kushboy> I can install that (but the volume meter is bouncing)
[09:33] <kushboy> How do I check for the right device?
[09:33] <Cashel> you can try under that same app making them Alsa or OSS as a last resort...
[09:33] <kushboy> oh wait
[09:33] <kushboy> alsaMixer says Card: Intel...
[09:33] <kushboy> I'm guessing that's my onboard
[09:34] <Dark|Blue> right click the volume icon on your top right, Open Volume Control - File / Change Device
[09:34] <jknife> yeah ubuntu likes onboard better then actual cards
[09:35] <Cashel> is .wav a restricted format maybe??
[09:35] <kushboy> alright, changed to Audigy device. But still no sound
[09:35] <aftertaf> disablage in bios.
[09:35] <kushboy> AlsaMixer still mentions Intel
[09:36] <zcat[1] ><PHONE_NUMBER>628
[09:36] <zcat[1] > gah!!
[09:36] <kushboy> do I need to restart or anything?
[09:37] <Dark|Blue> so, when you run alsamixer it says Intel under "Chip"?
[09:37] <kushboy> yeah Intel ICH5
[09:37] <kushboy> wait, no
[09:37] <kushboy> That's CARD
[09:37] <kushboy> CHIP is Analo Devices AD1985
[09:37] <zcat[1] > alsamixer -d /dev/mixer1 perhaps?
[09:37] <kushboy> what's that do?
[09:38] <kushboy> I have a mixer mixer1 and mixer2...
[09:38] <jknife> try em all
[09:40] <kushboy> error for all "ALSA lib control.c:739:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL mixer1"
[09:40] <kushboy> function snd_ctl_open failed for mixer1...no such file or dir
[09:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> memtest?
[09:40] <holycow> http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=170700325 <-- whoa
[09:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no program called alsaconf
[09:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> at least on my machine
[09:41] <Razor-X> holycow: holy cow! :)
[09:41] <Revelation> ^^
[09:41] <Revelation> *yaaaaawns*
[09:41] <Razor-X> holycow: have you heard the story about AOL being too hard to cancel?
[09:42] <holycow> Razor-X, yes, and i actually had that problem with one of our offices here
[09:42] <holycow> not with aol but another local provider
[09:42] <holycow> its is dirty dirty dirty nasty business
[09:42] <holycow> *grrr*
[09:42] <kushboy> so I'm stuck for now?
[09:42] <Razor-X> kushboy: what's the problem?
[09:42] <Razor-X> kushboy: sound?
[09:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is "memtest"?
[09:42] <kushboy> yeah
[09:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have no such app
[09:43] <kushboy> how do I type to one person only?
[09:43] <zcat[1] > memtest86+ - A thorough real-mode memory tester
[09:43] <Razor-X> OpenDocument
[09:43] <ompaul> BROKEN_LADDER, apt-get install memtester
[09:43] <jknife> BROKEN_LADDER, when you boot up press 'ESC' and chose memtest+
[09:43] <Razor-X> what's that? something like LaTeX?
[09:43] <zcat[1] > It's not a regular app; you run it directly from GRUB instead of loading a linux kernel..
[09:43] <jknife> it comes default with the desktop install
[09:44] <Razor-X> BROKEN_LADDER: right before Ubuntu boots, hit Esc, and then run Memtest86+
[09:44] <Razor-X> it's boot from GRUB like an OS, and then test s your RAM
[09:44] <Razor-X> s/t s/ts/
[09:44] <`paul> if you have root access how do you change a group of a user using CLI?
[09:45] <Razor-X> `paul: change a group in what sense?
[09:45] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: you and LaTeX
[09:45] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: what can I say? LaTeX is infectious
[09:45] <Razor-X> LaTeX and ConTeX are done perfectly well
[09:46] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: and is emacs controlling your family automobile yet?
[09:46] <lopingo> need help
[09:46] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: almost there
[09:46] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: it can already do a WM
[09:46] <Razor-X> lopingo: shoot
[09:46] <lopingo> ok
[09:46] <lopingo> its about firefox connection setting
[09:46] <tritium> Razor-X, actually LaTeX 3 should be a huge improvement over 2e
[09:46] <`paul> ?
[09:46] <lopingo> umm
[09:46] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: like I said, i'm theorizing in the future, GRUB boots a mini-kernel that boots emacs that boots the macro kernel that boots the real OS :)
[09:46] <lopingo> i confiured the proxy settings but it wont work
[09:46] <lopingo> configured*
[09:47] <Razor-X> tritium: so i've heard
[09:47] <Razor-X> tritium: is it going to change the syntax too dramatically, especially for math?
[09:47] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X has emacs for a brain
[09:47] <lopingo> i can chat like here but cant suft the net
[09:47] <tritium> Razor-X, no
[09:47] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: if only I could C-s my room :(
[09:47] <lopingo> so, any solutions?
[09:47] <zcat[1] > never mind the OS, just boot straight into emacs
[09:47] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: what style proxy is it
[09:48] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : yeah, but, not everyone can take that much emacs (I can though)
[09:48] <synd> how well does E17 play with Ubuntu?
[09:48] <Razor-X> synd: pretty well, actually
[09:48] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: a regular glutton for punishment
[09:48] <Razor-X> synd: I tried it, didn't like it much though
[09:48] <johndarkhorse> synd: it will play well when breezy comes out
[09:48] <lopingo> anyone?
[09:48] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: well, at least I don't need 20 screens open for editing multiple documents in vi
[09:48] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: and I don't have to memorize different control sets for different applications
[09:49] <Razor-X> tritium: awesome
[09:49] <Razor-X> my school teachers have likened pretty well to LaTeX, actually, they haven't said anything
[09:49] <Razor-X> and I do the majority of it in letterpaper,11pt
[09:49] <synd> johndarkhorse: i just got the new elive 0.3livecd
[09:49] <synd> johndarkhorse: im *really* liking e17
[09:49] <lopingo> helo?
[09:50] <jknife> try dillo
[09:50] <Razor-X> lopingo: I said above ``What style of proxy is it?''
[09:50] <jknife> ohh nevermind
[09:50] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: you asked me the proxy question
[09:50] <lopingo> dillo, ok. Razor-X, style of proxy, meaning?
[09:50] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: oh, did I?
[09:50] <Razor-X> lopingo: SOCKS, HTTP, etc.
[09:51] <synd> johndarkhorse: but there was no american keyboard layout..? i have to use the british one, therefore shift-3 doesnt give me an american pound.
[09:51] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: and i just figgered it was the emacs gettin in the way of your fingers
[09:51] <synd> gives me this:
[09:51] <lopingo> umm
[09:51] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: or my faulty use of tab complete :)
[09:51] <Razor-X> lopingo: what port does it use?
[09:52] <lopingo> Razor-X: all same, 8080
[09:52] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: j and l are in two differernt spots
[09:52] <lopingo> <IP_ADDRESS>:8080
[09:52] <Razor-X> lopingo: it's a local proxy hmmm?
[09:52] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: yeah, I was thinking something wrong, hence I used tab complete the wrong way
[09:52] <fluffybunny_> i can't su from a terminal - how can i fix this?
[09:52] <lopingo> erms, what's local proxy? im sorry cuz i am totally new
[09:52] <fluffybunny_> i can sudo, but not su
[09:52] <Razor-X> lopingo: how did you configure your Firefox?
[09:53] <Razor-X> fluffybunny_: sudo -i
[09:53] <Razor-X> fluffybunny_: same thing as ``su''
[09:53] <Razor-X> lopingo: local as in, it points to something on your LAN
[09:53] <CaiN_SA> in what file does ubuntu save its network settings ?
[09:53] <zcat[1] > or sudo -s
[09:53] <tritium> CaiN_SA, /etc/network/interfaces
[09:53] <fluffybunny_> Razor-X:  ok... but why doesn't su work? i put in the right password, and it tells me "Authentication error"
[09:53] <Razor-X> fluffybunny_: no root password, that's why
[09:53] <lopingo> mm
[09:54] <lopingo> i jsut configure the ethernet settings
[09:54] <lopingo> just*
[09:54] <CaiN_SA> Tritium
[09:54] <zcat[1] > su doesn't work because it's a bad idea. :)
[09:54] <lopingo> and also at the network proxy preferences
[09:54] <CaiN_SA> but my stuff isnt in there
[09:54] <tritium> CaiN_SA, that's where network interfaces are defined.  man interfaces for more info
[09:54] <dazvid> fluffybunny_,  sudo (your command here) runs it as a root command
[09:54] <fluffybunny_> Razor-X:  hmmm. I thought the pwd for the Synaptic package manager was the same as the root password?
[09:54] <Razor-X> lopingo: as in, you went inside Gnome and configured the Ethernet settings _and_ the browser?
[09:55] <Razor-X> fluffybunny_: it is tantamount to the root password, but not exactly the root password, because no root password really exists
[09:55] <fluffybunny_> Razor-X: cool, thanks
[09:55] <lopingo> Razor-X: i think no the browser, just ethernet settings
[09:55] <lopingo> not*
[09:55] <Razor-X> lopingo: so X Chat works, but Firefox doesen't?
[09:56] <Razor-X> try configuring Firefox with the proxy, I guess
[09:56] <lopingo> Razor-X: yeap
[09:56] <lopingo> i did
[09:56] <lopingo> but still wont work
[09:56] <CaiN_SA> tritium thx i just didnt read file correctly
[09:56] <lopingo> i used windowsxp in vmware and configure the proxy for firefox and it works
[09:56] <lopingo> but i wonder why not in linux?
[09:57] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: what irc client are you using?
[09:57] <Razor-X> lopingo: you have tried Firefox without any proxy settings, correct?
[09:57] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: erc, of course
[09:57] <lopingo> yeap
[09:57] <Razor-X> lopingo: Firefox works without the proxy, I presume?
[09:57] <lopingo> no, it doesnt
[09:57] <Razor-X> ugghhh, at this point, i'ld reccomend a network dump, but that's stuff I shouldn't see :(
[09:58] <Razor-X> lopingo: as in, without a proxy on the system at all
[09:58] <Razor-X> lopingo: or is your connection totally proxy-dependant?
[09:58] <lopingo> hm
[09:58] <lopingo> yes it is
[09:58] <georgeblunt> hey there
[09:58] <zcat[1] > should work exactly the same way under linux ..
[09:59] <lopingo> if i change the ethernet settings to dhcp, then i'll get disconnected
[09:59] <lopingo> oh
[09:59] <Razor-X> lopingo: like I said, I would reccomend a network dump, but for someone that can read that right, it can be on the verge of privacy peering, and it's a bit hard for the average user to sift through
[09:59] <lopingo> network dump, how?
[09:59] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : yeah, a netdump works wonders here to see if traffic is actually being sent, if packets of X protocol are being blocket, etc.
[10:00] <none_-> heh.. try changing the browser ID string
[10:00] <Razor-X> lopingo: get ethereal and make a dump
[10:00] <zcat[1] > hehe, a network dump of my proxy traffic wouldn't help you :)
[10:00] <Razor-X> none_-: I don't thing this has to d owith that
[10:00] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : well, that's because it's SSH tunneled :)
[10:00] <lopingo> Razor-X: ok
[10:00] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : I have an SSH tunnel I use for sensitive stuff also
[10:00] <lopingo> >.>
[10:00] <none_-> he can get on IRC but not HTTP
[10:01] <Razor-X> lopingo: wait, you're using Ubuntu in vmware?
[10:01] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: have you gotten any of my /notice's or /msg's ?
[10:01] <lopingo> no
[10:01] <lopingo> windows in vmware
[10:01] <Razor-X> lopingo: install Ethereal in Linux
[10:01] <zcat[1] > that's weird.. firefox in linux should definately work he same was as under XP..
[10:01] <lopingo> okay
[10:01] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: I probably have got your /notice's, but not the /msg's
[10:01] <Dark|Blue> does anyone know if there is a program like Ventrilo for Linux? or maybe a way to get Ventrilo to work in ubuntu?
[10:01] <lopingo> zcat[1] : hehe, i wonder why.
[10:02] <Razor-X> lemme check my other buffer
[10:02] <none_-> so.. your linux irc client works fine.. but not your linux firefox
[10:02] <none_-> ?
[10:03] <Razor-X> lopingo: have you tried something other than Firefox?
[10:03] <zcat[1] > tried clearing the cache, shift-refresh, etc? check for typos?
[10:03] <`paul> as root and using CLI  how do i view the entire users list with their corsponding groups?
[10:04] <lopingo> Razor-X: im gonna try opera or dillo
[10:04] <lopingo> but not now though
[10:04] <Razor-X> but I need to know if it's a problem with HTTP in general, or just Firefox
[10:04] <Myrtti> lopingo: do try opera, they're giving out free registration codes
[10:04] <lopingo> i dun think it's HTTP cuz i can surf the net wif windows
[10:04] <Razor-X> yeah, same here
[10:04] <lopingo> Myrtti: sure
[10:05] <wizo> i think it was broken last time
[10:05] <Razor-X> Myrtti: they are
[10:05] <Myrtti> and installing is easy because they offer ubuntu debs for download
[10:05] <Myrtti> Razor-X: yup
[10:05] <Myrtti> sudo dpkg -i ubuntupackage.deb
[10:05] <Myrtti> <3
[10:05] <lopingo> okay
[10:05] <zcat[1] > what does opera do that moz can't?
[10:05] <none_-> sounds like a proxy authentication problem to me..
[10:05] <lopingo> :)
[10:05] <Razor-X> oh, it's a 250 thing :(
[10:05] <none_-> opera is way better
[10:05] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : a lot, I don't want to start a holy war here though
[10:06] <zcat[1] > hehe. ok.
[10:06] <wizo> hmm i followed the instructions on the ubuntuguide.org and i still cant use java on sites
[10:06] <Myrtti> zcat[1] : for me it does load up more fast
[10:06] <lopingo> ok, brb, gonna install opera
[10:06] <Myrtti> zcat[1] : but still I use firefox
[10:06] <johndarkhorse> wizo: ubuntuguide is not a good thing to follow
[10:06] <zcat[1] > I might give opera a spin..
[10:06] <wizo> johndarkhorse: oh
[10:06] <Razor-X> i'm a tab freak
[10:06] <none_-> opera is versatile and lightweight
[10:06] <Razor-X> and it works much better when you have more than 13 tabs
[10:06] <wizo> tabs are good ^^
[10:06] <none_-> among other things
[10:06] <zcat[1] > eFFay: Package opera has no installation candidate
[10:07] <none_-> firefox is seriously bloated in comparison
[10:07] <zcat[1] > bah!! "E: "
[10:07] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : it's not free
[10:07] <dducko> it was the other day...
[10:07] <wizo> so errr, any ideas why it doesnt have java plugins?
[10:07] <wizo> i installed java again that day
[10:07] <Myrtti> it is free, but it's not downloadable via apt
[10:07] <Myrtti> opera.com
[10:07] <none_-> make sure the plugin file is executable
[10:07] <zcat[1] >  free but not Free?
[10:07] <Razor-X> Myrtti: not free as in libre
[10:08] <Myrtti> no, not as in libre
[10:08] <Razor-X> but free as in coors for the adds-version
[10:08] <wizo> O..o
[10:08] <dducko> They had a 10  year aniversery and for one day... you could get a serial for free
[10:08] <Razor-X> (I stopped saying beer because an OSS beer came out)
[10:08] <dducko> Sucks for people that bought it the week before
[10:08] <wizo> lol
[10:08] <Juhaz> OSS beer has always been out, but I suppose someones publicity stunt getting to slashdot makes all the difference
[10:08] <wizo> or the day before
[10:08] <Razor-X> dducko: meh
[10:09] <Razor-X> Juhaz: it was on slashdot?
[10:09] <Razor-X> I never read slashdot so... meh
[10:09] <Juhaz> it was
[10:09] <zcat[1] > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4718719.stm
[10:09] <dducko> never heard of /. till i found digg
[10:09] <none_-> slashdot is lame.
[10:09] <Razor-X> dducko: meh :)
[10:09] <Razor-X> slashdot far predates digg, but I refuse to call it a blog, hell ``blog'' shouldn't exist (IMO)
[10:10] <dducko> course i havent been on since I got Ubuntu installed
[10:10] <dducko> too much to do too much to see
[10:11] <adriyel_prodigy> hello all
[10:11] <adriyel_prodigy> ... mv ~/BillGates.EXE ~/.desktop/trashbin <--- :)
[10:12] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: meh
[10:12] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: disagree?
[10:12] <none_-> what part of columbus, adriyel_prodigy
[10:12] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: not a bit
[10:12] <zcat[1] > Umm wouldn't that be BILLGA~1.EXE ?
[10:12] <adriyel_prodigy> none_ thanks for the WHOIS lookup on my ISP
[10:12] <adriyel_prodigy> LOL @ dos reference
[10:12] <wizo> mmm no java plugin and i need it for my java applet homework
[10:12] <holycow> rofl!!!!
[10:12] <No1Viking> What's the number of linux type EXT3 when using cfdisk?
[10:12] <adriyel_prodigy> last time I login to IRC without tor @ none_- lolz...
[10:13] <none_-> hah.
[10:13] <holycow> firefox uses 95 megs of ram at startup with a blank page!!!!!!!
[10:13] <adriyel_prodigy> I don't live in Columbus, I live near it
[10:13] <holycow> jesus!
[10:13] <johndarkhorse> adriyel_prodigy: why would you send to /trashbin, when /dev/null is so much nicer?
[10:13] <wizo> holycow: thats really holycow
[10:13] <Razor-X> zcat[1] : ~ doesen't exist in DOS
[10:13] <adriyel_prodigy> johndarkhorse: /dev/null wasn't used for the nubs sake
[10:13] <Razor-X> holycow: yeah, 's why I use Opera
[10:13] <johndarkhorse> adriyel_prodigy: new users need to learn, also
[10:13] <holycow> thats bloody horrible!
[10:13] <holycow> epiphany uses 65 megs!
[10:14] <johndarkhorse> Razor-X: you use opera? emacs doesnt supply your every intenet need?
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> johndarkhorse: granted, but Ubuntu philosophy doesn't embrace that idea wholly, not that I am using Ubuntu atm
[10:14] <holycow> how can a browser use that much ram to start?
[10:14] <wizo> but i need java plugin, someone help me with the plugin for java?
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> I am using Zenwalk, slack based, VERY nice.
[10:14] <holycow> Razor-X, what does opera consume at startup?
[10:14] <No1Viking> What's the number of linux type EXT3 when using cfdisk?
[10:14] <wizo> use lynx
[10:14] <wizo> links*
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> holycow, lots and lots of caching...lolz
[10:14] <none_-> 25mb or so
[10:14] <zcat[1] > elinks
[10:14] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: he probably uses CRON to periodically mv trashbin/* /dev/nul
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> links2 is good
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: there you go :)
[10:14] <adriyel_prodigy> even though I don't bother with cron.d
[10:14] <Razor-X> johndarkhorse: unfortunately, I don't _always_ use text (internet is the thing there)
[10:14] <dducko> No1Viking ext3 is 83
[10:15] <No1Viking> Thanks dducko!
[10:15] <adriyel_prodigy> I don't have any tasks that need automated, unless I can teach my PC to code in C independently
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> ok
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> guys
[10:15] <zcat[1] > find /trashbin -ctime +7days -exec rm {} \;
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> i wanted to find out
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> do you guys prefer
[10:15] <zcat[1] > (nice way to delete old stuff)
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> the sudo thing
[10:15] <adriyel_prodigy> although I might set up a periodical FTP backup of my code, that should be fun to script...
[10:15] <CaiN_SA> or normal old root has a password ?
[10:15] <Razor-X> o_O, does Open Document support Spreadsheet formats
[10:15] <Razor-X> awesome!
[10:15] <none_-> normal old root
[10:15] <zcat[1] > normal old root's password crypt is *
[10:15] <dducko> do both CaiN_SA
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> nah
[10:16] <adriyel_prodigy> CaiN_SA: I'll take sudo, for most purposes...except when updating packages
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> im working on new impilinux
[10:16] <Razor-X> CaiN_SA: I used to prefer su, but i've gotten too used to sudo
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> based on ubuntu
[10:16] <ompaul> !tell Cidolfas about sudo
[10:16] <dducko> I use sudo for most things.. but Root for others
[10:16] <none_-> the sudo thing is redundant
[10:16] <adriyel_prodigy> CaiN_SA: you're a dev? Razor-X: yeah, after getting used to it, sudo is nice.
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> so i was wondering how i was gonna make it
[10:16] <zcat[1] > I try to always use sudo .. sometimes I cheat and sudo -s
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> erm adriyel_prodigy well i wouldnt say im a dev
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> but
[10:16] <dducko> ompaul thanks for the help last night.. everything is running smooth now
[10:16] <adriyel_prodigy> meh, you're forking Ubuntu? why bother...Ubuntu is a distant enough bastard of Debian as is, we don't need another distro snubbing the DCCA
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> i know people personally who are
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> _
[10:16] <CaiN_SA> +
[10:17] <ompaul> dducko, glad to hear hit
[10:17] <_BIJ_> good morning!
[10:17] <CaiN_SA> im head developer
[10:17] <adriyel_prodigy> (and debian politics are another reason I use slack distro's...lolz)
[10:17] <ompaul> dducko, s/hit/it
[10:17] <CaiN_SA> of a different distro
[10:17] <none_-> distant?
[10:17] <zcat[1] > fork slackware!!
[10:17] <none_-> it's been forked
[10:17] <zcat[1] > nobody ever forks slack do they?
[10:17] <adriyel_prodigy> none_-: *shrugs*
[10:17] <none_-> there's a fork for the amd64 arch
[10:17] <adriyel_prodigy> zcat[1] : its not so much an issue of forking, as it is staying along the general concept and method
[10:18] <adriyel_prodigy> slamd64 is good, I've tried it, needs polish though, and they're ignoring the stability focus of slackware a titch too much, although the development speed is cool
[10:18] <_BIJ_> i've got a problem with the resolution for my new ati-display-drivers... would anyone be so nice and try to help me?
[10:18] <adriyel_prodigy> <--- AMD 3500
[10:18] <zcat[1] > that reminds me; I was gonna download a recent slack and see how it is these days. Been a few years since I last used it.
[10:18] <adriyel_prodigy> I wish all distro's forced non-root + sudo...
[10:18] <none_-> amd64 support on linux is not very good no matter what distro you use
[10:18] <adriyel_prodigy> zcat[1] : I would recommend Zenwalk or Slamd64
[10:19] <wizo> hmm
[10:19] <ompaul> adriyel_prodigy, well I suppose we could write a script :)
[10:19] <wizo> synaptic says i have j2re1.5 installed
[10:19] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with using qemu and creating a tun device?
[10:19] <adriyel_prodigy> none_-: the best environment for amd64 has been Ubuntu, in terms of ease. although for maintenance, Gentoo takes that area
[10:19] <_BIJ_> the resolution in my xorg file is 1280x800 but my display shows 1280x786... what can i do?
[10:19] <ompaul> adriyel_prodigy, and for users in wheel we give em all
[10:19] <holycow> is there an app to keep open office loaded and in ram perpetually in the background?
[10:19] <Razor-X> !tell _BIJ_ about resolution
[10:19] <none_-> true, especially for multimedia
[10:20] <Razor-X> holycow: holy cow!
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> ompaul: yeah, script involves.... PWN http://distrosite.com && ROOTKIT http://distrosite.com && sudohack ftp://distrosite/src
[10:20] <Razor-X> holycow: who would want that?!
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> sound like a plan?
[10:20] <holycow> Razor-X, fast startup times
[10:20] <_BIJ_> whoa thx!
[10:20] <fblade> hey guys i know i ask this last night but i forgot to wright it down what the chmod command  for changeing the bin fileso you can run it?
[10:20] <ompaul> adriyel_prodigy, its getting there
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> I give my user account all in sudoers...
[10:20] <none_-> chmod +x
[10:20] <Razor-X> holycow: you actually use Oo ?
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> BAH, Linspire needs to go to Hell
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> its MS Linux incarnate
[10:20] <zcat[1] > and really slow everything else?
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> fsckers are leaving the unix way.
[10:20] <holycow> of course, its amazing
[10:20] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: yeah, unfortunately
[10:20] <adriyel_prodigy> or Linux way as well
[10:20] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: it defeats the point of the UNIX security model
[10:21] <fblade> chmod +x syas permission denied when i try and run it
[10:21] <adriyel_prodigy> sadly, most new users are using either Linspire or something else, INDEED IT DOES
[10:21] <ompaul> adriyel_prodigy, that would be the rootkit me baby o/s
[10:21] <none_-> you need to be the owner of the file
[10:21] <adriyel_prodigy> I love the permissions/wheel setup, I remember what the NT environment was like, Unix/Linux is heaven compared to that nonsense
[10:21] <zcat[1] > just keep sending the OOo binary sigusr's or something to keep it awake?
[10:21] <adriyel_prodigy> chown username:group /file
[10:22] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: I heard Vista will actually implement something similar to UNIX security model
[10:22] <holycow> zcat[1] , there has to be a better way
[10:22] <Juhaz> most new users? I've yet to see anyone using linspire
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> btw, is it me, or do the prototypes of commands (examples) in the MAN pages seem really convoluted most of the time?
[10:22] <fblade> i know butlast night i got told that you can use anouther command  like chmod l-x
[10:22] <Razor-X> after they realized just how much better an MSH would be
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: already tested beta, its a copy of it
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: the GUI is Mac incarnate, *laughs*
[10:22] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: meh
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> its just Mac/BSD concepts being stolen
[10:22] <ekimus> !release
[10:22] <ubotu> A new Ubuntu version is released every six months (in april and october). Each release is supported for at least 18 months with security updates.
[10:22] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: well, the BSD concept was stolen, now it's being stolen again
[10:22] <adriyel_prodigy> nothing Linux specific that I could see, but they're definitely stealing some code/concepts from BSD/Mac again
[10:23] <none_-> fblade, man chmod .. it is better to use the numeric method.
[10:23] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: they've always legally stolen code from BSD...and then put it through Hell
[10:23] <zcat[1] > Do I have to order Breezy cd's or will my old order still be valid?
[10:23] <fblade> ta
[10:23] <_BIJ_> Razor-X, i've read the wiki, but my problem is, that the xorg.conf has the right resolution value 1280x800 and before upgrading to the ati-drivers the resolution was ok...
[10:23] <No1Viking> OK, now I've used cfdisk and there are partitions in there. What is my next step?
[10:23] <holycow> i feel sorry for the bsd guys
[10:23] <Razor-X> adriyel_prodigy: that's what really gets me about the BSD license
[10:23] <adriyel_prodigy> *sighs, shakes head* when will they learn that there's a reason the BSD License isn't sufficient
[10:23] <holycow> they claim to be doing the right thing, but they are just being hosed over and over again
[10:23] <Razor-X> that's what makes me hate Apple in the depths of my being
[10:24] <Razor-X> legality shmegality, they stole!
[10:24] <adriyel_prodigy> Razor-X: exactly, I'd recognized from my earlier days that it couldn't protect anyone
[10:24] <Seveas> ghrm...
[10:24] <holycow> as a result of their dumb licencing ideals
[10:24] <adriyel_prodigy> whereas...
[10:24] <Razor-X> they fscking stole, plain and simple
[10:24] <Seveas> ETOPIC ....
[10:24] <none_-> it's not stealing ;)
[10:24] <adriyel_prodigy> Apple and M$ both have stolen copious amts of BSD code
[10:24] <Razor-X> *bump to offtopic*
[10:24] <holycow> Razor-X, indeed, not only stole but they are giving nothing back
[10:24] <Razor-X> sorry, I just had to do that :)
[10:24] <Seveas> Razor-X, thank you :)
[10:24] <holycow> if it wasn't for bsd apple would be dead
[10:24] <adriyel_prodigy> "our" license requires that the bastards give back
[10:24] <zcat[1] > how can you steal BSD code?
[10:24] <Juhaz> they want to be hosed, no point feeling sorry
[10:24] <none_-> they've given back plenty - seen darwin?
[10:24] <holycow> their work on the new os was going to hell until someone with a clue picked up bsd and customized it
[10:24] <No1Viking> OK, now I've used cfdisk and there are partitions in there. What is my next step?
[10:24] <Seveas> holycow, adriyel_prodigy zcat[1]  -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:25] <Razor-X> why is offtopic dead, and all the offtopic chat happens here?
[10:25] <Razor-X> I never understand that
[10:25] <adriyel_prodigy> holycow: you can thank NeXT for giving them a purgatory until they found BSD though, *shudders* I really couldn't tolerate Mac's until they adopted BSD, even though I'd rather use Windows than OS X
[10:25] <Seveas> Razor-X, because people don't know #u-o :)
[10:25] <adriyel_prodigy> mjr: sorry, we talk like the RIAA/M$/MPAA here. :)
[10:25] <holycow> Razor-X, becauser you can't have a planned offtopic, offtopics are a creative outlet, albeit i understand the request
[10:25] <Razor-X> Seveas: but it in the topic
[10:25] <none_-> No1Viking: make the file system?
[10:26] <Razor-X> holycow: yeah, but then we say ``Offtopic time'' and leave :)
[10:26] <Seveas> No1Viking, mkfs makes filesystems
[10:26] <Seveas> and then you can mount then with mount :)
[10:26] <No1Viking> OK, thanks guys
[10:26] <holycow> adriyel_prodigy, people shit on rms, but imho the man is a genious
[10:26] <adriyel_prodigy> HERE HERE!
[10:26] <adriyel_prodigy> they mock him for being a zealot, but his zealotry has preserved our code!
[10:26] <Seveas> holycow, adriyel_prodigy -> #ubuntu-offtopic please
[10:26] <holycow> gpl is the greatest thing to happen to the software world in a long time... well long time ago whatever
[10:26] <adriyel_prodigy> *nods* yessir
[10:26] <pitti> Riddell: ping
[10:26] <adriyel_prodigy> lets take this #u-o
[10:26] <zcat[1] > Hmm.. finally I actually found the recipie for Vores Oel -- gonna see if WLUG will sponsor making a batch so we can have truly Free Beer at our end of year bbq..
[10:27] <Seveas> zcat[1] , *g*
[10:27] <talios> anyone know how to get hoary/breezy to recognise a FastTrak 100 Promise IDE controller?
[10:27] <zcat[1] > plus it has Gurana in it..
[10:27] <johndarkhorse> talios: talk about a dinosaur
[10:28] <talios> johndarkhorse, machines only about 5 years old, I just screwed my Fedora install so HAD to reinstall something, had a breezy/hoary iso so trying that.  no joy thou
[10:29] <johndarkhorse> talios: but tha controller ... ... ... graybeard city
[10:30] <talios> yeh well, thems the breaks :(
[10:30] <talios> I guess i'll have to hunt for my FC cds.   was really wanting to ubuntu this machine thou :(
[10:31] <fblade> im now logged in root and tried accessing the bin file and i get permission denied are there any othe chmod commands
[10:31] <CaiN_SA> fblade,
[10:31] <gjoemmie> llo there fellas!
[10:31] <CaiN_SA> chmod u+r filename
[10:31] <johndarkhorse> fblade: if the bin file isnt an executable, being root will not change it
[10:31] <Mayday> is there a way to see what one has installed from uni- and multiverse?
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> and if you want to run it
[10:32] <gjoemmie> I have Ubuntu on my computer now, but I need Windows too, can I put them both on at the same time?
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> chmod u+x filename
[10:32] <talios> johndarkhorse, at least the breazy livecd works :p  ( although, doesn't setup PPPoE on startup - would have been a nice addition )
[10:32] <CaiN_SA> yes gjoemmie
[10:32] <mjr> gjoemmie, both can be installed, though (normally) only one run at a time
[10:32] <johndarkhorse> talios: there are shortcomings for everyone
[10:33] <gjoemmie> bcuz I tried putting my Windows operating cd in the cd-drive
[10:33] <gjoemmie> It asked on which partition I wanted to put it
[10:33] <holycow> http://dot.kde.org/1125757722/  <-- heh, reading that makes me think kde will eventually become gnome
[10:33] <gjoemmie> I said: make a new one
[10:33] <gjoemmie> but it didnt respond
[10:33] <gjoemmie> anyone has an idea?
[10:33] <ciplogic> How do I setup the GNOME to be translated into spanish?
[10:34] <gjoemmie> and do you understand my situation?
[10:34] <talios> johndarkhorse, yep :(  time for a new box I guess... (long overdue anyway)
[10:34] <benplaut> !localization
[10:34] <ubotu> benplaut: I haven't a clue
[10:34] <talios> mmm, desperate housewives on telly - w00t.
[10:34] <Juhaz> johndarkhorse, I'm sure few months old hardware is ancient to some folks, but 2000 wasn't really all that long ago
[10:34] <No1Viking> ifstab
[10:34] <johndarkhorse> Juhaz: an eternity plus an eon, lol
[10:35] <ciplogic> !localisation
[10:35] <ubotu> ciplogic: Do they come in packets of five?
[10:35] <johndarkhorse> !tell No1Viking about ntfs
[10:35] <zcat[1] > gjoemmie: I suggest you install XP first .. (if you only just installed ubuntu, prepare to reinstall it) - make a moderate sized partition for XP, and leave the rest 'unallocated' for ubuntu ..
[10:35] <ciplogic> !yes
[10:35] <ubotu> Yes, yes! Yes indeed. Who would have thought it, eh, ciplogic?
[10:36] <zcat[1] > Then once XP is installed, install ubuntu on the free space.. it'll set up dual-boot for you by itself
[10:36] <ciplogic> ciplogic: Do they come in packets of five? what means
[10:37] <zcat[1] > talios: kiwi too huh?
[10:38] <talios> yep - you're nicks familiar too....
[10:38] <No1Viking> !fstab
[10:38] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, No1Viking
[10:38] <No1Viking> LOL
[10:38] <No1Viking> !mount'
[10:38] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, No1Viking
[10:38] <No1Viking> !mount
[10:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[10:38] <CaiN_SA> ubotu, lear to spell :P
[10:38] <ubotu> CaiN_SA: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:38] <CaiN_SA> wtf
[10:38] <odyssey> ha
[10:38] <CaiN_SA> its a bot
[10:39] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: dont abuse the bot, what do you want?
[10:39] <zcat[1] > Iltonham?
[10:39] <talios> zcat[1] , what part of middleearth you hail from>
[10:39] <talios> ?
[10:39] <benplaut> i don't think he knew it was a bot, nalioth
[10:39] <No1Viking> I would like to know the syntax for adding disks in fstab
[10:39] <zcat[1] > Iltonham on Waikato
[10:39] <holycow> Nor was any of that necessary: a simple troubleshooting exercise showed that the memory wasn't the problem. When we connected the machine to a newer NEC flat-panel monitor, the video problem went away. Linspire apparently lacked the correct drivers to support the older CRT monitor.  <-- my god how i hate retards writing tech columns
[10:40] <Hmmmm> hi guys, im using hoary-x86 on an amd64 system. i cant get skype to work. can someone help me pls?
[10:40] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: we have a nice script that will add your fat32, ntfs and hfs+ partitions automagically
[10:40] <johndarkhorse> !tell No1Viking about windowsdrives
[10:40] <No1Viking> Well, my disks are i ext3 format
[10:40] <johndarkhorse> ah, theres always a catch
[10:40] <No1Viking> LOL, yes
[10:41] <talios> zcat[1] , auckland - mmm, you'd be a wlug'er then?
[10:41] <zcat[1] > Yeah
[10:41] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: i'd advise monkey-see monkey-do, with your new disks variables, but thats probably bad advice
[10:42] <No1Viking> johndarkhorse,  Might be since I have no other monkey here beside me!
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just stuck in a windows install cd, and it started up fine.  yet my cdrom no longer shows up in linux.  wtf
[10:43] <spiral> hi
[10:43] <zcat[1] > wtf indeed..
[10:44] <johndarkhorse> No1Viking: since nobody is offering anything to you, i suggest google and "fstab linux ext3"
[10:44] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: there is no 'wtf' about it, microsoft ruins all that it touches
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> johndarkhorse maybe you're missing what i'm saying.
[10:44] <Seveas> No1Viking, put this in fstab: /dev/yourdisk /mount/point ext3 defaults 0 0
[10:44] <zcat[1] > anything standard enough to boot a windows CD off should show up by default in linux!
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> johndarkhorse my dvdrw stopped showing up in linux today.
[10:45] <Seveas> replace /dev/yourdisk and /mount/point with the actual devicename and mountpoint
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> johndarkhorse just to test that it still works, i stuck a cd in and it booted from i.t
[10:45] <No1Viking> Thanks Seveas!
[10:45] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: i've never had an optical disk show up on my desktop
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> desktop?
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> dude
[10:45] <johndarkhorse> thanks seveas
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> /dev/scd0 no longer exists!
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have no icons on my "desktop"
[10:45] <zcat[1] > BROKEN_LADDER: it's still listed in dmesg ?
[10:45] <wizo> man..
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  good question
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> one thing it says is "file system is not clean"
[10:46] <zcat[1] > is it scsi or ide?
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't know how to fix that though.
[10:46] <aftertaf> /dev/sda1 ?
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i accidentally used ext3 for my home, i don't know how/why
[10:46] <wizo> someone help me with my java plug in? i tried the stuff found on google and it still sdoesnt work
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no /dev/sd*
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> anything
[10:46] <No1Viking> Are you guys mounting disks to mnt or media?
[10:46] <AzMoo> Does anybody know of a program that I could sit on my desktop somewhere that will give me clocks for different time zones?
[10:46] <zcat[1] > No1Viking: default in ubuntu is /media
[10:46] <Ng> wizo: look at the java wiki page
[10:47] <No1Viking> zcat[1] , Ok
[10:47] <Ng> wizo: it's always worth checking the ubuntu wiki before trusting google to find rubbish ;)
[10:47] <aftertaf> AzMoo:  search superkaramba plugins maybe?
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82:0000 83:0000 84:0000 85:0000 86:0000 87:0000 88:0407
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ata1: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/33
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> ata2: SATA port has no device.
[10:47] <cyphase> does anyone know of a program that can record an audio stream?
[10:48] <wizo> ok i`ll try again
[10:48] <zcat[1] > so it's an IDE drive..
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase any program can if you just set the input as the output.
[10:48] <aftertaf> cyphase:  most with output to disk can, i think
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think it's sata
[10:48] <cyphase> nono
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> actually..
[10:48] <cyphase> i mean a network stream
[10:48] <Ng> cyphase: what kind of stream?
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase i know
[10:48] <aftertaf> a shoutcast?
[10:48] <zcat[1] >  /33 ?
[10:48] <AzMoo> aftertaf, that could work, but I really didnt' want anything that complex. Maybe I should just write it.
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase just play it with some app, and record it with another
[10:49] <zcat[1] > suggests plain IDE to me
[10:49] <cyphase> BROKEN_LADDER, i'm not the one playing it
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> whoever is playing it
[10:49] <aftertaf> hehe AzMoo if you can ;) do it.
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase you want to record it?
[10:49] <cyphase> it's not someone i know
[10:49] <cyphase> yea
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase then play it with one app and record it with another
[10:49] <cyphase> oh..
[10:49] <cyphase> lol
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> cyphase play it with gxine or whatever you want to use
[10:49] <Ng> there are dedicated stream rippers
[10:49] <cyphase> i see what your saying
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> Ng then tell him one.
[10:50] <cyphase> i was just doing that last night
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm just saying a quick and dirty way
[10:50] <AzMoo> aftertaf, I can, but I'm lazy. I think I'll search freshmeat first ;)
[10:50] <Ng> BROKEN_LADDER: I will as soon as he answers my question
[10:50] <Ng> BROKEN_LADDER: until then I can't
[10:50] <zcat[1] > mplayer -ao pcm will rip almost anything to wav
[10:50] <cyphase> playing music with Rhythmbox and recording it plus voice with Sound Recorder
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's a way to tell what kind of device my dvd player is?
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> sata or ide..
[10:51] <cyphase> but then that would include any other sounds that come up
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm almost positive it's sata
[10:51] <zcat[1] > look in the box..
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  i was about to try that.
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'd have to unscrew stuff
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  there should be a way to look in devices somehowe
[10:51] <zcat[1] > big wide ribbon or little orange wire?
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> how
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  it would be a pain to do tat.
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> that
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have a sff
[10:51] <Ng> cyphase: right, that's not stream recording, you need to mix audio, no idea, sorry.
[10:52] <cyphase> lol, no i don't
[10:52] <cyphase> i'm just saying i see what you mean
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  if it tells you anything, the device name for it was always /dev/sdc0
[10:52] <Ng> cyphase: how about you just answer my question?
[10:52] <Ng> I can't help you if you don't!
[10:52] <cyphase> ok, i'm sorry
[10:52] <cyphase> ask it again
[10:52] <cyphase> :)
[10:52] <Ng> cyphase: what kind of stream are you trying to record? mp3? asf?
[10:52] <Ng> real?
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> ogg?
[10:52] <cyphase> mp3
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> i only use ogg streams
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> out of principle
[10:53] <Ng> then use xmms disk writer plugin or mplayer -ao pcm as suggested above
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> ogg theora rules
[10:53] <Ng> BROKEN_LADDER: how wonderful for you
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> Ng indeed my ng
[10:53] <cyphase> BROKEN_LADDER, i agree :0
[10:53] <cyphase> :)
[10:53] <zcat[1] > hmm.. don't know much about SATA.. but /dev/scd0 suggests an IDE drive under SCSI emulation, which was the 'old way' of making burners work. Later kernels support working with IDE drives directly
[10:53] <Ng> lots of SATA drives are presented as SCSI
[10:54] <dducko> Umm I just had to kill firefox because of an online radiostation's player not working right
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  it's sata
[10:54] <dducko> now the music it was playing is still going...
[10:54] <wizo> the wiki has stuff on installing java for firefox?
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  it's about 1/3 inch wide and very thin
[10:54] <Seveas> wizo, yes
[10:54] <zcat[1] > OK, well SATA is way to new for me.. I only just upgraded to ATA/66 :)
[10:54] <Seveas> the java install instructions at wiki.u.c/Java install the FF plugin too
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i built this computer in april.
[10:55] <cyphase> VLC has a stream ripper i think..
[10:55] <onkarshinde> How good is the vorbis format as compared to MPEG? How many CD players support it?
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde dramatically better
[10:55] <Ng> onkarshinde: it's better, but has almost no useful hardware support outside cheap far east OEM players
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde if you went for equal quality, the file size would be about 40% smaller.
[10:55] <Seveas> onkarshinde, mp3 support is much more common
[10:55] <johndarkhorse> cyphase: streamripper? use streamripper
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> who cares.
[10:56] <benplaut> goodnight :)
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would you care about supporting a standard like mp3 that no one should use anayway?
[10:56] <Ng> BROKEN_LADDER: this isn't an ideological debate, just a statement of fact ;)
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you want a player, there are several great players that play vorbis and flac
[10:56] <v1ru5> BROKEN_LADDER: what people shold use then?
[10:56] <zcat[1] > BROKEN_LADDER: wanna tell me where I can get a portable OGG player? :)
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 whatever they want i guess
[10:56] <v1ru5> vorbis is nice tho
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  cnet
[10:56] <v1ru5> i don't have anything against mp3 tho
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  the iriver h320 and 340
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> the cowon iaudio m5
[10:56] <v1ru5> BROKEN_LADDER: what you got against mp3??
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 it fucking sucks
[10:57] <v1ru5> why?
[10:57] <zcat[1] > I rip to flac.. then I convert to what my player supports (currently mp3) when I want to go portable
[10:57] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, language..
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> mp3 is a dinosaur
[10:57] <onkarshinde> BROKEN_LADDER: Are there any demo/sample movies on the net which are originally encoded in vorbis format?
[10:57] <wizo> Seveas: i have installed sun-j2re1.5 and stuff as it says on the wiki
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde vorbis is audio only
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde you want theora for video.
[10:57] <wizo> however it still doesnt have got java plugin for my firefox
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> theora is better than mpeg-2, but not quite as good as mpeg-4..YET
[10:57] <v1ru5> BROKEN_LADDER: lol, it seems you don't know why you are against mp3. you just flame it without knowledge..
[10:57] <onkarshinde> BROKEN_LADDER: Okay, I didn't know the name
[10:57] <Seveas> wizo, from where did you install it?
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 are you kidding me?
[10:57] <Ng> v1ru5: BROKEN_LADDER: how about you argue about mp3 in private msg? ;)
[10:58] <wizo> Seveas: synaptic, and i also downloaded the file from sun site
[10:58] <zcat[1] > there's bugger-all difference between well encoded VBR mp3 and vorbis anyhow..
[10:58] <johndarkhorse> onkarshinde: look for .ogm files
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 vorbis has dramatically better quality.  vorbis is non-patented.  vorbis has advanced features like dynamic (non-hacked) attributes, bitrate peeling..
[10:58] <wizo> i tried both method
[10:58] <Seveas> wizo, hmm, i hope you did not execute the sun file directly...
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  that's nonsense
[10:58] <onkarshinde> johndarkhorse: Can you point me to at least one?
[10:58] <wizo> Seveas: errr, y?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> zcat[1]  if you believe that, do some comparisons.
[10:59] <Seveas> wizo, because that's a very bad way of trying to install java...
[10:59] <johndarkhorse> onkarshinde: i'm sorry i dont know of any atm, try google
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> onkarshinde i will make some comparisons for you right now and put them on my site using lame and the newest vorbis encoder
[10:59] <zcat[1] > "most people can't tell" difference.. especially in a portable player situation. If you're not going portable you might as well stick with flac.
[10:59] <onkarshinde> johndarkhorse: Ok
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone can tell the difference
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> at some bit rate
[10:59] <wizo> Seveas: i did that after synaptic didnt really work out
[10:59] <onkarshinde> BROKEN_LADDER: I want comparison between theora and mpeg and not between mp3 & ogg.
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> whatever that bit rate is, it will be much lower in vorbis than mp3
[10:59] <johndarkhorse> folks! this audio talk is getting #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:59] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, can you please take off-topic discussions elsewhere
[10:59] <wizo> and firefox said to download from the site, so i did
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> and vorbis is non-proprietary
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay
[11:00] <Seveas> wizo, firefox does not know ubuntu/debian good enough :)
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> well
[11:00] <Seveas> wizo, what's the output of: java -version
[11:00] <v1ru5> BROKEN_LADDER: any webpages comparing mp3 and vorbis??
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> v1ru5 i'll make some comparisons right now
[11:00] <wizo> Seveas: errr
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> to make sure it's with the latest encoders
[11:00] <wizo> wad the
[11:00] <holycow> BROKEN_LADDER, can you plz change your nick to lower case
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> check this out!
[11:00] <v1ru5> o-O
[11:01] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:01] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: onkarshinde  take it to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[11:01] <holycow> your nick completely dominates the screen even with minimal posts
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> holycow i'd rather not.  if it's not too much to ask could you just put me on ignore.
[11:01] <wizo> Seveas: bash: java: command not found <== what did i do >.<
[11:01] <Seveas> wizo, argh...
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> oops..sorry
[11:01] <wizo> Seveas: it was giving me an output before oops
[11:01] <Seveas> wizo, download a java .deb file from seveas.demon.nl
[11:02] <Seveas> pm me a username and password for access
[11:02] <wizo> ok
[11:03] <`paul> whats the file system for a windows partition in /etc/fstab ?
[11:03] <Digis> paul vfat or ntfs
[11:03] <Digis> :)
[11:03] <Digis> sudo fdisk -l, u can check :)
[11:03] <No1Viking> What does this mean, "ext3: No Journal on hda3
[11:03] <No1Viking> What does this mean, "ext3: No Journal on hda3"
[11:03] <Seveas> that you need to create a journal
[11:03] <No1Viking> How
[11:03] <Seveas> sudo tune2fs -j /dev/hda3
[11:03] <`paul> kk ty
[11:04] <`paul> i think vfat
[11:04] <`paul> ive been trying fat16 fat32 lol
[11:04] <Seveas> `paul, sudo fdisk -l will tell for sure
[11:04] <Seveas> `paul: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:04] <johndarkhorse> paul we have a handy script here to mount your partitions
[11:04] <johndarkhorse> like that one
[11:05] <`paul> oh thanks
[11:06] <zcat[1] > nice script.
[11:06] <aftertaf> Seveas:  would it be a good idea to replace the spaces in the mount names done by the script, put __ instead?
[11:07] <aftertaf> might be less confusing for ppl who find themselves in shell without prior knowledge of escape charactes
[11:07] <johndarkhorse> aftertaf: for what?
[11:07] <Seveas> aftertaf, it creates symlinks to space-less paths too :)
[11:07] <zcat[1] > strange\ concept\!
[11:07] <aftertaf> for newbies yeah..
[11:08] <Seveas> aftertaf, newbies only use the GUI, and the longer names are nice for that
[11:08] <setite> im guarding a Subway right now
[11:08] <Seveas> I originally wanted to use filesystem labels, but there's no way to get them
[11:08] <aftertaf> Seveas:  not 'always', tho most of the time yeah.
[11:08] <setite> anyone else doing something as equally riveting?
[11:08] <odyssey> setite, guarding a subway?
[11:08] <johndarkhorse> setite: i'm at work
[11:08] <setite> ya im a security guard... and 6 subways have been robbed in the last 3 days
[11:08] <johndarkhorse> odyssey: a subway is a sandwich, named after its chain here in the US
[11:09] <setite> 2 a night...
[11:09] <aftertaf> i had a newb who needed to do something in console, and he couldn't access his other partition...
[11:09] <Seveas> setite, sounds like you don't do your job good enough :p
[11:09] <odyssey> johndarkhorse, jared is evil
[11:09] <setite> the other guard spotted someone casing out the subway on my property so here i am... sitting in front of it watching it
[11:09] <_mindspin> hi, got a samba problem here,
[11:09] <_mindspin> mount -t smbfs and so on works fine
[11:09] <setite> nope im parked in front of it.... if anything moves... i will see it
[11:09] <zcat[1] > Lucky you don't live in London I guess..
[11:10] <_mindspin> but when I try to connect to a different share I get a "tree connect failed"
[11:10] <_mindspin> any idea?
[11:10] <setite> not much else i can do except sit inside there next to the register... but they wont pay me to use my gun... so thats not happening
[11:10] <`paul> is there a way to hide processes in ubuntu
[11:10] <Seveas> `paul, 'hide processes'??
[11:10] <`paul> with root access?
[11:10] <setite> anyway... im still trying to figure out how to work my wireless car in ubuntu
[11:10] <`paul> im mean it wont appear in ps aux
[11:10] <Carpe_Libertatem> wireless car? nice
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> arghh
[11:11] <Seveas> `paul, no way of doing that
[11:11] <darksatanic> `paul: Install a root kit? :)
[11:11] <Ng> `paul: not without modifying the kernel
[11:11] <setite> seveas do you know why i get a operation not permitted in the driver program
[11:11] <setite> card*
[11:11] <`paul> aw
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> my system keeps freezing
[11:11] <`paul> ok thnx
[11:11] <Seveas> setite, because you didn't run it as root?
[11:11] <setite> do i have to? sudo is not sufficient?
[11:11] <setite> so whats the best way
[11:11] <Seveas> it is
[11:11] <setite> sudo password root
[11:12] <johndarkhorse> setite: sudo will work
[11:12] <zcat[1] > not all wifi drivers support all operations..
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> sudo passwd root
[11:12] <Seveas> sudo is good enough
[11:12] <setite> sudo does not work johndarkhorse
[11:12] <wizo`awy> argh
[11:12] <Seveas> zcat[1] , has the better expanation :)
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> will give you a root password
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> but it's not necesarry
[11:12] <fatejudger> I'm trying to mount a network drive using the fstab
[11:12] <fatejudger> for some reason
[11:12] <setite> no ndiswrapper is the operation not permitted
[11:12] <fatejudger> I can manually mount it
[11:12] <setite> ] ok will will boot to ubuntu and try true root
[11:12] <fatejudger> but when I try and mount it using the fstab it asks me for a password on reboot
[11:12] <fatejudger> and then the says access denied
[11:12] <wizo> Seveas: i will have ot download it later, my housemate is chucking a sad at mem because he is playign online games now
[11:12] <setite> thanks... when i had the problem no one was answering
[11:13] <zcat[1] > hmm.. ndiswrapper.. I gave up on that after a few hours.
[11:13] <Seveas> wizo, the server is online 'till 22:00 UTC
[11:13] <wizo> errrr
[11:13] <setite> well i cant give up yet because im not shelling out money to get it working on a free os
[11:13] <No1Viking> I dont get this. I now have the new disks mounted and all looks great. Now I can not FTP to them. How can I get permission to do that?
[11:13] <johndarkhorse> setite: why not? you saved $399 US by using ubuntu?
[11:13] <wizo> Seveas: how many mroe hours till it goes offline? that would make it clearer
[11:13] <zcat[1] > anyone want a cheap wifi card with the rtl8180 chip? totally unsupported in linux :(
[11:14] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to mount these network drives using fstab?
[11:14] <Seveas> wizo, 12
[11:14] <wizo> Seveas: ahh thats cool, thanks
[11:14] <zcat[1] > went out and got some rt2400-based cards instead
[11:14] <holycow> http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/79be/  <-- :)
[11:14] <onkarshinde> fatejudger: Can you give me the line of fstab that tries the mounting?
[11:14] <johndarkhorse> any suggestions for wifi dongle supported under ubuntu ? USB?
[11:14] <bummba> fatejudger: network drives?
[11:15] <Seveas> fatejudger, samba things?
[11:15] <bummba> fatejudger: NFS?
[11:16] <fatejudger> samba
[11:16] <No1Viking> I dont get this. I now have the new disks mounted and all looks great. Now I can not FTP to them. How can I get permission to do that? this Is what I get when trying to download: /media/2/Annie_Lennox-Bare-2003-Wyse/05-Annie_Lennox-Wonderful-Wyse.mp3 (No such file or directory)"
[11:16] <Seveas> fatejudger, the 'easy' way is running a simple script I created -> ubuntulinux.nl/files/addsamba
[11:16] <fatejudger> onkarshinde: //dadscomp/stuff   /media/stuff   smbfs
[11:17] <odyssey> ok lets say i stick a dvd into my dvd drive with the intent of watching it and now it just sits there spitting out I/O errors... how can i eject it?
[11:17] <Seveas> that adds the share to fstab and creates a file with a password for it
[11:17] <bummba> No1Viking: why are you FTPing on locally mounted drives?
[11:17] <fatejudger> I'd prefer to run it using the fstab
[11:17] <Seveas> fatejudger, it adds it to fstab
[11:17] <No1Viking> bummba, it's from a FTP site to my disk
[11:17] <Seveas> the script needs to be run only once, then you can toss it out
[11:18] <zcat[1] > can you 'touch foo' on the drive locally?
[11:18] <fatejudger> why can't I just manually create the line though?
[11:18] <bummba> fatejudger: you can...
[11:18] <Seveas> I never do that since the syntax is awful :)
[11:18] <Seveas> but you can
[11:18] <zcat[1] > probably you want to mount it with permissions other than 600
[11:19] <fatejudger> I just want to be able to read the mount
[11:19] <fatejudger> that's it
[11:19] <Seveas> /<IP_ADDRESS>/d /media/samba/<IP_ADDRESS>/d smbfs user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0644,dmask=0755,credentials=/etc/samba/passwords/192. 168.1.4-d
[11:19] <Seveas> that's a line for a samba drive
[11:19] <fatejudger> holy crap
[11:19] <Seveas> do you see why I use the script :)
[11:19] <brownie17> hey everyone
[11:19] <fatejudger> it can't be that complicated
[11:19] <fatejudger> I don't even have any authentication though
[11:19] <fatejudger> it's a shitty windows computer
[11:19] <Seveas> fatejudger, it is if you want to get it right
[11:19] <bummba> fatejudger: it is not complicated...just annoying to use
[11:20] <fatejudger> I've never used a script before
[11:20] <fatejudger> so I wouldn't even know how to do that
[11:20] <imek> Hi, I was thinking of getting a wireless card for my notebook. Does anyone know which manufacturers have the best Linux support?
[11:20] <brownie17> nalioths_dog, aka johndarkhorse?
[11:20] <johndarkhorse> fatejudger: scripts are wonderful
[11:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> if my computer doesn't keep crashing..i swear
[11:20] <Seveas> fatejudger, download it and run: sudo bash addsamba
[11:20] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: are you sniffing nalioths_dog ?
[11:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's having the most inexplicable problems today
[11:20] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: oh, hi, i thought you might be back as nalioth, and nalioths dog was pretty close, thought it was you sorry
[11:20] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: how does it run with the livecd?
[11:21] <fblade> how can i mount my windows partion onto linux?
[11:21] <Seveas> fblade: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:21] <Carpe_Libertatem> Is that a macro of yours Seveas?
[11:21] <Carpe_Libertatem> =P
[11:21] <Seveas> Carpe_Libertatem, yes
[11:21] <fatejudger> your script is broken
[11:21] <Seveas> fatejudger, tell me more
[11:21] <zcat[1] > imek: dunno, but I got an SMC .. cheapest card around and works, although I had to build the module myself first.
[11:21] <fatejudger> fatejudger@l337b0x:~/stuff$ sudo bash addsamba
[11:21] <fatejudger> addsamba: line 47: syntax error near unexpected token `fi'
[11:21] <fatejudger> addsamba: line 47: `fi'
[11:22] <Seveas> fatejudger, hmm
[11:22] <Seveas> one sec
[11:22] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: i get off at 6am CST US
[11:22] <zcat[1] > SMC2635W card..
[11:22] <imek> okay, I'll have a look around. thanks
[11:22] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: so when you see me after 6am CST US, it'll be as nalioth
[11:22] <fatejudger> Seveas: you're missing quotes I think
[11:22] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: i don't know when that is here, but i rang the D-link company, and they gave me a refernece number to ring the warranty department with tommorrow morning
[11:22] <fatejudger> Seveas: on the line above
[11:22] <zcat[1] > there are better, but nothing cheaper :)
[11:22] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: good show
[11:22] <Seveas> fatejudger, the line above has only the word exit
[11:23] <fatejudger> ?
[11:23] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: i believe i'm UTC -6
[11:23] <fatejudger> oh, I was looking somewhere else
[11:23] <fatejudger> nm
[11:23] <brownie17> joihndarkhorse: i was fairly dissapointed though, I always find it's better to be happy than wrong, and i wished that i had just made a mistake, but something is wrong with the modem
[11:24] <fatejudger> bash scripts are weird
[11:24] <fatejudger> nothing like C++
[11:24] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: they'll fix or exchange it for you
[11:24] <Seveas> fatejudger, anyway, install smbfs
[11:24] <zcat[1] > bash is kinda like dos batchfiles
[11:24] <Seveas> that will skip past that section
[11:24] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: yeah, any idea how long it might take?
[11:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> johndarkhorse i don't have a live cd hanging around
[11:24] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: i have no experience with dlink, i use linksys
[11:24] <fatejudger> I thought I had smbfs installed
[11:25] <johndarkhorse> BROKEN_LADDER: that would be one way to test if its software or hardware problems
[11:25] <onkarshinde> zcat[1] : I suppose bash scripts are better than dos batch files
[11:25] <fatejudger> Seveas: I do have it installed
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> onkarshinde: they are not comparable
[11:25] <zcat[1] > in some ways..
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> well.. they are comparable, but dos fails it
[11:26] <zcat[1] > Dos is very limited, but it's a similar concept otherwise
[11:26] <Seveas> odd, on my server (which is gentoo) it gives no error, on ubuntu it does...
[11:26] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: i hear linksys are pretty good, when i signed up with my ISP they offered me a free D-link or a free Netgear, i chose the D-link (obviously) what are netgear like?, i want to get one becasue that means the support services my isp have will still be fine to use
[11:26] <setite> ok i cant remember how do to do this
[11:26] <setite> apparently the driver is already installed
[11:26] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: that is if they don't fix it, or the replacement breaks again
[11:26] <Seveas> argh, found the error
[11:26] <Seveas> fatejudger, please re-download
[11:26] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: all stuff is pretty much the same, you jut got a bad modem. it happens to everyone
[11:26] <fatejudger> Seveas: what was it?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> brownie17: te network connection is standard
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> netgear are fine
[11:27] <Seveas> fatejudger, brainfart of mine
[11:27] <Auckland_Pig> i'm using ubuntu live cd.
[11:27] <brownie17> ok, it's just i hear alot of bad things about D-link, and other people having errors
[11:27] <Auckland_Pig> it says that i cant start totem movie player
[11:27] <brownie17> seveas: :) hahah
[11:27] <fatejudger> Seveas: yeah, but what was the error?
[11:27] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: then by all means, try the netgear
[11:27] <fatejudger> Seveas: was it that "then"
[11:27] <Seveas> missing 'then' keyword a few lines before
[11:27] <Auckland_Pig> how do i play movies in ubuntu?
[11:28] <Seveas> I use too many languages :)
[11:28] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: hmmm. definatly something to ponder on, at least i know if i ask my ISP they will tell me which one has more errors, rather than say they are all good like D-link would
[11:29] <brownie17> auckland_pig: does it give any other error information?
[11:29] <zcat[1] > worst thing about my dlink is that I can only configure it in MSIE (or telnet, although that's practically impossible too) - Firefox it takes ages to get to the admin page, and gives me "Method not supported" when I sty to add forwarding rules and stuff
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> Auckland_Pig you could use gxine or mplayer.
[11:29] <Auckland_Pig> resource not available or busy
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> gmplayer is good
[11:29] <fatejudger> Seveas: ERROR: Unable to open credentials file!
[11:29] <brownie17> zcat: i get all those problems exxactly, except the configuring one
[11:29] <Seveas> run it as root
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone help me get my dvdrw to show up in /dev?
[11:29] <johndarkhorse> Seveas: i speak many, but use only one
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> and tell me why my computer keeps freezing?
[11:30] <zcat[1] > You tried adding port forwarding rules to it?
[11:30] <fatejudger> Seveas: I did run it as root
[11:30] <Auckland_Pig> BROKEN_LADDER, but i'm using live cd... there's no gmplayer
[11:30] <onkarshinde> Auckland_Pig: You can install totem-xine package and it will play most files. Or you can try vlc.
[11:30] <Seveas> fatejudger, then you found a bug
[11:30] <brownie17> zcat[1] : yes, gives me method not implemented, do you use the 302g rev c or a?
[11:30] <Seveas> paste the current sources.list on a pastebin please
[11:30] <Cashel> heh... gmplayer isnt working ... I've installed everything DVD related I could find, including libdvdccs2 ... totem-xime, gmplayer, nor ogle will play my LOTR CD... any suggestions?
[11:30] <Seveas> errrr
[11:30] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: you are rather limited on what you can do with the liveCD w/o installling a lot of things
[11:30] <Seveas> current fstab
[11:30] <zcat[1] > username and password was OK, but all the subwindow stuff _has_ to be done in MSIE.
[11:30] <Auckland_Pig> onkarshinde, how do i instal them while on live cd?
[11:30] <setite> anyoen have a broadcom 54g card?
[11:31] <Auckland_Pig> can i instal anything while on live cd?
[11:31] <zcat[1] > 302G
[11:31] <johndarkhorse> setite: you are out of luck with that card most likely
[11:31] <onkarshinde> Auckland_Pig: Oops i didn't know you were on live cd. I don't know how to work it out.
[11:31] <johndarkhorse> Auckland_Pig: yes you can
[11:31] <Seveas> setite, asus wl500g?
[11:31] <brownie17> zcat[1] : i don't get that, firefox works fine for that bit, but admin takes like 3-4 mins, and getting worse too
[11:31] <Seveas> wl110g even
[11:31] <Auckland_Pig> oh ok... will try installing
[11:32] <setite> Seveas: no... but is that a similar or same card?
[11:32] <setite> oh do you mean do i have that laptop?
[11:32] <brownie17> zcat[1] : is yours standing on its side with clips? or flat? does it have green stripes or blue?
[11:32] <Seveas> setite, asus wl100g is a pcmcia 54g card
[11:32] <zcat[1] > At the moment I have a CISCO SOHO on loan, but if I have to go back to the dlink I think I'll write a web-based front end in php that telnets to the modem and makes the changes..
[11:32] <Seveas> which works
[11:32] <setite> no i have the emachines m6805.. 64bit series
[11:32] <setite> oh no.. i dont have that
[11:33] <zcat[1] > It's screwed to the side of my computer desk
[11:33] <setite> i plan to get two usb wifi cards eventually... but in the meantime i would love to be able to get this working and only need one usb adaptor
[11:33] <brownie17> zcat[1] : but is it blue or green? that tells me which version
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> Cashel what specific error do you get trying to run gmplayer?
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> wimax is going to be so badarse
[11:33] <zcat[1] > I can't tell in this light - colourblind :)
[11:34] <zcat[1] > looks kinda blue-green to me ..
[11:34] <brownie17> zcat[1] : :) for real? that sucks... um doesthe writing on the darker bit next to the lights face upside up when the modem is flat on the table, or when it is screwed to your desk
[11:34] <fatejudger> Seveas: do I have to restart for it to take effect?
[11:34] <Seveas> fatejudger, no, please paste your fstab on paste.ubuntulinux.nl - you have found a bug
[11:35] <Cashel> BROKEN_LADDER, MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[11:35] <zcat[1] > the writing's all upright when it's flat on the desk
[11:35] <brownie17> hey seveas: sorry about not pastebinning before, it was an accident. about 6 hours ago you banned me
[11:35] <Cashel> BROKEN_LADDER, - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[11:35] <scanwinder> is there a file with all the things that open on startup? because my old 166 laptop takes a long time to boot
[11:35] <zcat[1] > s/upright/correctly\ oriented/
[11:35] <zcat[1] > AFK / BRB
[11:36] <Auckland_Pig> where can i find precompiled binary of VLC for ubuntu? on VLC download site i dont see ubuntu...
[11:36] <Seveas> Auckland_Pig, apt-get install vlc
[11:36] <setite> whoa.. presidential midnight pardons eh
[11:37] <fatejudger> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/355076
[11:37] <Auckland_Pig> Seveas, i'm on ubuntu live cd
[11:37] <Cashel> BROKEN_LADDER, sorry bro, I think I figured it out ... AMD :P
[11:37] <setite> which linux is debian based... xandros or linspire
[11:37] <Seveas> Auckland_Pig, installing anything on a live cd will only last until reboot
[11:37] <Cashel> guess I have to use the 386 package (gag)
[11:37] <talios> johndarkhorse, hazzah - I now have a visible HDD.  moved the hdd from the secondary crap ata to the main.
[11:37] <Seveas> you can as well use apt-get for that
[11:37] <brownie17> zcat[1]  you hav ethe revision c version then, or as www.portforward.com call it the 302gv2. same as me. i am getting mine fixed tomorrow, ring the support hotline on<PHONE_NUMBER>. they gave me a reference number for the waranty department :) free refund or fix/new
[11:37] <talios> Auckland_Pig, ororke student hostel?
[11:38] <Auckland_Pig> talios, railway campus :)
[11:38] <brownie17> setite: im guessing linspire
[11:38] <johndarkhorse> talios: great!
[11:38] <setite> thanks brownie17
[11:38] <zcat[1] > back
[11:38] <fatejudger> Seveas: it looks right
[11:38] <fatejudger> that's weird
[11:38] <brownie17> setite: GUESSS
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> can someone help me figure out why my dvdrw is not being listed in /dev?
[11:38] <fatejudger> Seveas: I don't see why your script gave me an error
[11:38] <talios> johndarkhorse, now to actually do the install.  finally i'll be fedora free.   mmm, now - breazy or the hoary I use at work...
[11:38] <Seveas> fatejudger, have you pasted it already?
[11:38] <Seveas> I think I know
[11:38] <Seveas> and want to check it
[11:38] <fatejudger> Seveas: yeah, I already gave you the link
[11:39] <talios> Auckland_Pig, you go to any of the Auckland LUG meetings?
[11:39] <Auckland_Pig> Seveas, sorry to disturb, i'm new to all this... where do i type apt-get install vlc ?
[11:39] <fatejudger> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/355076
[11:39] <Juhaz> setite, both
[11:39] <Seveas> fatejudger, ah ok, missed that
[11:39] <Seveas> sorry
[11:39] <brownie17> talios: get hoary for now, breezy is still beta
[11:39] <johndarkhorse> talios: stick with hoary
[11:39] <Auckland_Pig> talios, no i'm just starting to learn linux
[11:39] <fatejudger> Auckland_Pig: the Konsole
[11:39] <fatejudger> Auckland_Pig: if you're that new, use Synaptic
[11:39] <fatejudger> Auckland_Pig: or Kynaptic
[11:39] <Seveas> fatejudger, you said that you do not need authentication?
[11:39] <fatejudger> Seveas: I don't
[11:39] <Auckland_Pig> still on windows xp... testing out live cd's before installing the real thing :)
[11:39] <Seveas> fatejudger, the script thinks you do
[11:40] <brownie17> zcat[1]  you hav ethe revision c version then, or as www.portforward.com call it the 302gv2. same as me. i am getting mine fixed tomorrow, ring the support hotline on<PHONE_NUMBER>. they gave me a reference number for the waranty department :) free refund or fix/new
[11:40] <talios> brownie17, yeh - I thought whilst installing I might give it a bash.  but hoarys good in anycase.
[11:40] <fatejudger> Seveas: well then that's the bug
[11:40] <Seveas> indeed :)
[11:40] <brownie17> talios: not much front end difference, i think. from screenshots not much visible difference, but it will be much better apparently, with much less bugs and stuff
[11:41] <Seveas> fatejudger, http://pastebin.com/355079
[11:41] <Seveas> spot the difference :)
[11:41] <johndarkhorse> talios: i think you'll be happy with hoary. breezy is still buggy
[11:41] <Seveas> I'm fixing the script now...
[11:42] <fatejudger> Seveas: no credentials, guest login
[11:42] <talios> johndarkhorse, yeh - I switched my work box to hoary about 4-5 months back, loving it.
[11:42] <Cashel> BROKEN_LADDER, http://pastebin.com/35508 ... can I safely force mplayer-386 to apt-get install ??
[11:42] <setite> johndarkhorse: what problems are you having with wifi
[11:42] <brownie17> are there any other p2p programs like kazaa that DO NOT need ports opened on a router?
[11:42] <fatejudger> Seveas: wow, this "bash" code is extremely hard to read
[11:42] <johndarkhorse> setite: i have an ibook with airport extreme
[11:43] <setite> do you know the command to get the card running... it looks like ndiswrapper installed the driver
[11:43] <fblade> what terminal command is it that uzip taz.gz, into the root folder
[11:43] <Seveas> fatejudger, yeah, bash is crap to read
[11:43] <setite> is that not supported?!
[11:43] <fatejudger> Seveas: why not program something like this in C++?
[11:43] <fatejudger> Seveas: it can do everything and more
[11:43] <Cashel> brownie17, Applications > Internet > GNOME Torrent ??
[11:43] <brownie17> nope
[11:43] <Ng> C++ is way way way overkill for a little fstab mangler ;)
[11:43] <brownie17> gnome torrent requires ports
[11:43] <Ng> something like perl would be more suitable
[11:44] <Seveas> fatejudger, because this is easier to do in bash
[11:44] <fatejudger> Seveas: I think I see the bug
[11:44] <Seveas> and works on all architectures :)
[11:44] <Seveas> fatejudger, i fixed it already
[11:44] <fatejudger> Seveas: ah
[11:44] <fatejudger> Seveas: was it the 4th to the last line?
[11:44] <fatejudger> Seveas: it always sets the credential dir
[11:44] <Seveas> indeed
[11:45] <fatejudger> Seveas: I need to learn this "bash"
[11:45] <Seveas> fatejudger, www.tldp.org has nice guides
[11:45] <talios> mmm, screen resolution doesn't give me my nice widescreen res.  time to remember my X.org foo
[11:45] <fatejudger> Seveas: ok, thanks
[11:45] <Pyf> im using a "sony cav-u5" usb to optical converter for my audio, it works in most programs and ubuntu recognises it but vlc doesnt, how would i go about setting up vlc so it does recognise it ;(
[11:46] <fatejudger> Seveas: is "bash" pretty flexible?
[11:46] <fatejudger> Seveas: for example, can I end each line with a semicolon?
[11:46] <fatejudger> Seveas: or can I wrap echo statements in quotes
[11:46] <Seveas> fatejudger, I suggest you read the intro docs, this is a bit off-topic in here
[11:47] <pluffsy> hello
[11:47] <brownie17> are there any other p2p programs like kazaa that DO NOT need ports opened on a router?
[11:47] <Seveas> and the answer to these 3 questions is yes
[11:47] <johndarkhorse> brownie17: not to my knowledge
[11:47] <fatejudger> Seveas: yeah, sorry
[11:48] <pluffsy> I have trouble to understand dump. Can I make a dump from a couple individual directories or can it just make  a dump from a complete file system?
[11:48] <brownie17> johndarkhorse: ok, thanx
[11:48] <vu> xmms  sux  100%
[11:49] <fatejudger> Seveas: the tutorial doesn't show what types of commenting are acceptable
[11:49] <fatejudger> Seveas: obviously # is
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> what could i do to check my file system?
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> ckfs?
[11:50] <fatejudger> I dunno, it does it automatically once in awhile
[11:50] <brownie17> ever thirty mounts
[11:50] <fatejudger> that's right
[11:50] <Seveas> # is the only
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> hrm
[11:50] <brownie17> ever time it gets mounted thirty times it checks it