[00:01] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/7eVBjRzp
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, seems completely normal except for the lack of that tag
[00:03] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: You noted in the bug that 'other' linux-headers packages crashed Muon as well, but not all of them?
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> I think that was you :P
[00:06] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: At least the identified problem was really 'cosmetic' and not really serious, unless of course, one was wanting to use Muon to install the package. ;)
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[00:07] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: The worst thing a developer/coder can do, is to proof their own code! :)
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> at worst it will probably say "Canonical provides critical updates for linux-headers-bla until" and stop there without providng a date
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> with the patch
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> better than a crash though
[00:08] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: Normally, anything is better than a crash.
[00:10] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: A pop-up window with the statement: "Impossible situtation incountered. Now committing suicide." would at least give all a chuckle.
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[00:12] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: Do you know how long it normally takes before the fixed package appears 'up stream'?
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> The fix is in Git now. I'll be doing a 1.1.1 release on February 13th
[00:13] <JontheEchidna> I make packages available in the PPA the same day as the release, since a release with no packages isn't fun
[00:14] <Snowhog> JontheEchidna: Okay. That's cool.
[00:28] <FloridaGuy> how do i remove all of gnome
[00:36] <james147> !purekde
[00:36] <james147> :p
[00:48] <basy> which package holds funny messages (funny message of the day, Murphy laws, etc ... ). After each console/terminal login one of those message is displayed ... ?
[00:49] <james147> fortune is one i believe
[01:06] <suqa> Someone who have experience of booting via GRUB? I 've tried a cpuple of times the past hour and finds unetbootin but when I choose to "install lubuntu" it startes ubuntu instead.
[01:06] <hellojones> hi, can I use ftpes with TLS/ssl with dolphin and the ftp kio plugin?
[01:28] <dirk_> hello
[01:29] <dirk_> my bluetooth doesn't work
[01:34] <Firefishe> When I, in kde/kubuntu 4.5.3, and use the Login Theme Installer (located in the System Settings >> Login Screen >> Theme Tab), I get a weird thing:  When I click on the highlighted (link) title name of the theme, it tries to open many konqueror windows at once....and keeps going and going and going....until I have to kill the x server to stop it.
[01:34] <Firefishe> kubuntu 10.04 LTS, btw.
[01:37] <Lewoco_> How do I configure dolphin not to switch the view (e.g. icons/details/columns) everytime I navigate to a different folder?
[01:38] <Lewoco_> nm, found it
[01:40] <Firefishe> Lewoco_: I'd be interested in knowing that.
[01:42] <Lewoco_> Firefishe, View->Adjust View Properties->All folders.
[01:42] <Firefishe> Lewoco_: Thanks.
[01:43] <Firefishe> Lewoco_: Do you know why the command `lsb_release' shows an output of a bunch of files, but not so when using the `cat /etc/lsb-release' command instead?
[01:45] <james147> Firefishe: Lewoco_: ^^ I think that reset the propties for each folder, a better way might be to Settings > General > check "use common view properties for all folders"  << that way it will never change to a different view until you change view, then alll folder will be in that view
[01:46] <Firefishe> james147: Ah... thank you for that.
[01:47] <Lewoco_> james147, thanks
[01:49] <Lewoco_> A lot of the time sub-menus don't pop-up time. I can eventually get them to pop up by moving the mouse around on the menu item a little bit, but is there a fix or workaround for this problem?
[01:53]  * james147 suggests, as with any weird quirky bug like that, to test a new user and see if they suffer from the same problem ^^
[01:54] <Lewoco_> Ok, using a different widget style fixed it.
[01:54] <Lewoco_> You go to hell and you die Oxygen =)
[01:56] <james147> Lewoco_: ^^ still suggest trying a new user to see if they have the same problem :)
[01:57] <Lewoco_> james147, This is a new user. I logged in for the first time half an hour ago =/
[01:57] <james147> :S
[02:08] <Lewoco_> Is there any global keyboard shortcut 'action' to switch the last desktop I was on? The closest I can find is 'Switch to previous desktop' but this only switches to the previous desktop in the desktop order.
[02:09] <Lewoco_> 'Walk through desktops' ftw
[02:10] <Lewoco_> Hmm, Meta+Shift+Tab can't be used as a global keyboard shortcut?
[02:12] <james147> Lewoco_: it can here :s although there isanother shortcut assigned to that
[02:13] <Lewoco_> james147, Could that be interferring somehow?
[02:14] <james147> Lewoco_: I shouldnt, are you on kde 4.5?
[02:14] <james147> it ^^
[02:14] <james147> (since the shortcut was added to kde 4.6... so if you are it wont be assigned anyway)
[02:15]  * james147 notes that kde handles keyboard shortcut conflicts well and will warn you when you are about to overwrite one
[02:15] <Lewoco_> james147, KDE 4.4 I think.
[02:16] <james147> :S kde 4.4 is old now, kde 4.6 is due any week now... have you considered upgrading?
[02:17]  * james147 notes that kde 4.6 is due on the 26th, if anyone wanted to know... at least according to http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.6_Release_Schedule
[02:25] <Kingsy> does kubuntu have a GUI ?
[02:26] <Lewoco_> lol
[03:28] <rtdos> how do i get tabs in kate?
[03:29] <james147> rtdos: one ... or i think two of the plugins can enable them,
[03:30] <james147> never found out why there are two :S
[03:31] <rtdos> got it! thanks James!
[03:45] <andrewh192> hey does anyone know of a web irc client that is online right now that would allow me to connect to the undernet servers?
[04:38] <oOarthurOo> Is the Knights chess game available in any repo for Kubuntu? Currently running 11.04 and aptitude search "knights" aptitude search "chess" doesn't turn up what I'm looking for.
[05:58] <sinthetek> anyone in here have much knowledge of kubuntu netbook?i was curious if anyone thought it likely a 64bit build might resolve some issues i've been having lately with various apps segfaulting
[06:09] <renjithg> what is the server name and port number of #kernel IRC?
[06:58] <renjithg> what is the server name and port number of #kernel IRC?
[08:28] <martinjh99> How do I turn off the blue drop shadow in Oxygen??
[10:26] <Da3m0n2> hi there
[10:26] <Da3m0n2> could somebody help me? :)
[10:31] <yofel> !anyone | Da3m0n2
[10:33] <Da3m0n2> is here a way to hide my ip ? something like a hostmask?
[10:33] <ligtman> hi, anyone know much about wireless set up kubuntu 10.10
[10:35] <valorie> !hostmask
[10:36] <valorie> !wireless
[10:36] <valorie> heh
[10:36] <valorie> y'all just need bot commands
[10:36] <valorie> not humans.....
[10:36] <ligtman> ok thanks will give that a read...
[10:36] <Da3m0n2> thanks valorie
[10:37] <valorie> any time!
[10:37] <valorie> :-)
[10:51] <werner_> Hi all.
[10:51] <werner_> What's the best way to get DVBT - TV running?
[10:51] <werner_> Any sugesstions?
[11:21] <apparle> What is the shortcut to toggle the menu bar
[11:22] <yofel> apparle: ctrl+m if that's what you mean
[11:23] <apparle> yofel: does it work with GTK apps particularly firefox
[11:23] <apparle> yofel: here it is not
[11:23] <yofel> nope, that's Qt
[11:24] <apparle> any particular way to toggle menubar on gtk apps
[13:29] <stffn> blah
[14:01] <giancarla> ciao a tutti
[14:01] <BajK_> will the 11.04 kubuntu installer be improved?
[14:18] <BajK_> hm
[14:19] <werner_> Hi all.
[14:19] <werner_> What's the best way to get DVBT - TV running?
[14:19] <werner_> Any sugesstions?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:34] <Tm_T> werner_: plug in and use
[14:34] <werner_> tried 3 different USB DVBT Devices
[14:34] <werner_> None works
[14:35] <werner_> it's not in the system
[14:35] <jsaw> hi
[14:36] <werner_> no idea, where to begin the digging
[14:36] <oostue> where should I go to talk to some one about changing the logon screen
[14:36] <stffn_idle> German
[14:36] <stffn_idle> 26years
[14:37] <jsaw> just installed Natty Alpha1, having a few problems. 1. is the pager, where do I report bugs, and how do I find it's version?
[14:38] <jsaw> 2. updating always breaks with libc-bin, but I'm pretty sure it's already known
[14:38] <jsaw> otherwise, I like it..!
[14:38] <oostue> ubuntu 11.04
[14:39] <stffn_idle> how can I see which version I use
[14:39] <stffn_idle> sorry my questionmark is down
[14:39] <jsaw> oostue: changing logon screen under gnome or kde?
[14:40] <jussi> !version | stffn_idle
[14:40] <t3rminat0r_> does anyone have any good tutorial about using kdevelop 4 ?
[14:41] <stffn_idle> I go to university
[14:42] <stffn_idle> philosophy and history for 2 years
[15:07] <raiko> hello
[15:34] <cuznt> http://pastebin.com/TVYbfSV5 kde 4.5.5 lenovo laptop
[16:39] <u19809> Hi all, I have just configured my bluetooth headset to work over ad2p.  It works fine for amarok and dolphin but for video players like vlc and xine it does not work.  What do I need to do to make them also use the ad2p when available ?
[16:40] <Peace-> u19809: mm
[16:40] <Peace-> what exactly are you tring to do
[16:41] <Peace-> i mean
[16:41] <Peace-> ad2p?
[16:42] <u19809> well I want to stream digital stereo audio to my bluetooth headset
[16:43] <u19809> But it seems VLC and xine use a different audio path.  In fact I hear amarok over my BT headset and VLC over my headset connected to my 'phone out' jack
[16:43] <u19809> So Ideally would like vlc/xine to use the same path that is used in the kubuntu enviroment (Which I think is phonon)
[16:45] <u19809> I also found a phonon-vlc-backend but it does not seem to get loaded in vlc
[16:46] <t3rminat0r_> if subsitute directly 3 bin files in /usr/bin, with fresh compiled, would I face any problem?
[16:47] <t3rminat0r_> [talking about cmake, cpack, ctest]
[16:52] <james147> t3rminat0r_: i would uninstall them first, then run a "make install" from the build dir
[16:57] <t3rminat0r_> in order just to remove
[16:58] <t3rminat0r_> cmake (BUT I need the accompanying packages)
[16:58] <t3rminat0r_> what should I do?
[17:09] <kappavu> italiani?
[17:10] <kappavu> c'è qualcuno?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> !it | kappavu
[17:10] <kappavu> sorry
[17:10] <kappavu> thk
[18:05] <KimLaroux> If I kill the KDE desktop using ctrl-alt-escape, how do I start it back without having to restart KDM?
[18:07] <james147> KimLaroux: you probally killed plasma-desktop (or -netbook)
[18:08] <BluesKaj> KimLaroux, ctrl-alt-escape won't kill kde on my pc
[18:08] <KimLaroux> Ah! thanks, I wondered exactly what I killed...
[18:08] <KimLaroux> cause the window manager still worked
[18:08] <KimLaroux> and yes, ctrl-alt-backspace is disabled by default in all new releases
[18:08] <james147> KimLaroux: (thats what the desktop/panel is called) you can start it again by alt+f2 and type "plasma-desktop" then hit enter (or -netbook if your using the netbook version)
[18:08] <KimLaroux> Cool, thanks james147
[18:09] <KimLaroux> I'll try it right now just for the fun of it =P
[18:09] <james147> KimLaroux: alt+printscreen|sysreq+k now does what alt+crtl+backspace use to do
[18:09] <KimLaroux> what's sysreq?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> wouldn't alt +F7 bring the desktop back up if one is on a tty ?
[18:10] <james147> KimLaroux: the sys rq key :) normally the same key as print screen
[18:10] <james147> BluesKaj: yes
[18:10] <james147> BluesKaj: and alt+ctrl+esc will launch xkill, which will kill the next application you click
[18:10] <james147> ^^ including plasma-desktop
[18:10] <KimLaroux> Ah okay, I see it's writen "syst" on my print screen button
[18:11] <james147> (though i shouldnt kill the entire kde session)
[18:11] <KimLaroux> haha yes it's nice, I'm running X-chat on an empty black screen
[18:11] <KimLaroux> it's one way to clear your ram from all the plasma-desktop thingies
[18:11] <james147> KimLaroux: its suprising how functional kde is with out plasma-desktop, using alt+f2 and alt+tab :D
[18:12] <KimLaroux> Indeed!
[18:12] <KimLaroux> haha woot
[18:13] <KimLaroux> plasma-desktop is exactly what I was looking for
[18:13] <KimLaroux> thanks for the tip
[18:17] <BluesKaj> yeah, but I like thapanel, then I don't need to pepper my desktop with icons , just placing them in the panel is handy ...I need icons some where , due to my previous incarnation as a 15 yr windows user
[18:19] <james147> BluesKaj: not saying everyone should run without plasma... i still do most of the time ;D  just saying its suprising how usable kde is without it
[18:20] <KimLaroux> I like how the running apps are transfered into icon type windows when plasma desktop is killed
[18:20] <BluesKaj> james147, yup, agreed , aamof I hated it at first back when it was introduced as default on kubuntu whatever version it was
[18:20] <Guest54662> well can any one tell to use compize effects in libre presentation
[18:21] <james147> Guest54662: ?? you want to use a window manager inside a document?
[18:21] <Guest54662> just the effects
[18:21] <Guest54662> similar like mac keynote
[18:22] <james147> michael__: thats not possible as far as i know, you might be able to find similar effects, but i dont see why you would be able to use compiz directly in liber office
[18:23] <michael__> similar effects How?
[18:24] <james147> michael__: dont know... dont use liber office presenter at all, but I would look for plugins of a way to install effects  inside it... if there is one
[18:24] <james147> michael__: or search google for answers :)
[18:24] <michael__> i will try that sounds good
[18:25] <michael__> i just had a mac section at uni
[18:25] <michael__> and they said mac can do all this things
[18:26] <michael__> i was ubuntu can do all of this things too
[18:26] <michael__> i was sure that ubuntu can do all of this things too
[18:26] <james147> michael__: not sure if mac is useing the window manager effects... or ahs just replicated them inside its presenter...
[18:27] <james147> michael__: or me it seems a stupid thing to couple the window manager and a document togeather
[18:27] <michael__> is cool
[18:27] <michael__> that are you running?
[18:27] <michael__> what are you running?
[18:27] <james147> michael__: currently running arch linux with kde ^^ though i use to use kubuntu
[18:28] <michael__> what do you prefer?
[18:28] <michael__> is Arch better?
[18:29] <james147> michael__: depends :) kubuntu is allot easier and quicker to setup, but I like archs rolling release better (i prefure to stay uptoday with the latest packages, rather then waiting for the next version... and arch handels that better)
[18:30] <james147> michael__: arch isnt 'better' ... its entirly personal whihc you like more, with arch you have to configure and install everything manually (which i kind of like) where are with kubuntu its easy to setup and use out of the box
[18:31] <james147> michael__: they are two different distros designed for two different user bases...
[18:34] <michael__> really
[18:35] <michael__> what is the different between them?
[18:35] <jmper> hi
[18:36] <michael__> hi jmper
[18:38] <jmper> necesito ayuda no puedo instalar ninguna aplicacion o actualizacion en k ubuntu ya q soy novato me sale este error no está disponible: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[18:38] <james147> michael__: this probably best sums it up: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Compared_to_Other_Distributions#Ubuntu
[18:38] <Tm_T> !es | jmper
[18:43] <michael__> james147 thanks. You mst be an expered than i gues
[18:48] <rtdos> is there a reason this won't install - http://sourceforge.net/projects/stella/ - i keep getting a wrong architecture error.
[18:49] <Snowhog> rtdos: 32- or 64-bit version? What's your CPU?
[18:51] <rtdos> 64 bit celeron. i'm using the 64 bit version of kubuntu (i think)
[18:51] <rtdos> i can't run any older 32 bit apps at all ?
[18:51] <james147> rtdos: you can, but why not get the 64bit version: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stella/files/stella/3.3/
[18:51] <james147> (amd64)
[18:53] <rtdos> oh, didn't see that. :"> thanks James147 - but what about other apps? are there any extra libraries i might need to install ?
[18:54] <james147> rtdos: you may need to force it to install....
[18:55] <tsimpson> use gdebi-kde to install it, it will try and find/install and dependencies it needs
[18:55] <tsimpson> ie: kdesudo gdebi-kde stella_3.3-1_amd64.deb
[18:57] <rtdos> thanks tsimpson. thanks james147.
[18:58] <Snowhog> rtdos: Keep in mind, that stella is an Atari 2600 VCS emulator, and as such, you need to install the version for the CPU you are running - 64-bit in your case.
[18:58] <james147> ^^ either way, best to use the 64bit version if one is there :) or compile from source to 64bit if you have the source
[18:58] <rtdos> good way to learn programming too. :)
[18:59] <james147> ^^ more learn to compile then to program :D
[19:00] <james147> (although knowing how to compile can help with programming )
[19:19] <rtdos> James147: what was that command you told me to access the shares on my windows machine? kdesudo 'something' ? (sorry this one command i forgot to write down)
[19:21] <james147> rtdos: you should be able to mount and view them in dolphin
[19:21] <james147> kdesudo ntfs-config     will add them to /etc/fstab so they get mounted at boot
[19:25] <rtdos> sorry i had that backwards, that's not the command to access my kubuntu laptop from windows is it?
[19:30] <james147> rtdos: there is a driver, but its unmaintained and not recomanded
[19:31] <tsimpson> shares or partitions?
[19:31] <rtdos> shares.
[19:31] <james147> rtdos: o, :) thats different then
[19:31]  * tsimpson thought so
[19:31] <james147> rtdos: have you set p the shares in kubuntu?
[19:32] <rtdos> i can't remember; i did install that samba thing you told me to
[19:34] <james147> (one sec
[19:36] <isaias> hi, one question, i need to get to my personal files as a root but here in kubuntu i dont know how? in ubuntu and xubuntu are gksudo nautilus and gksudo thunar
[19:38] <james147> rtdos: kdesudo kcmshell4 kcmsambaconf
[19:38] <tsimpson> isaias: kdesudo dolphin
[19:39] <james147> isaias: although, if you can its suggested you dont run dolphin as root :) its far to easy to delete something you didnt mean to
[19:39] <isaias> i really need to run as a root, ill try kdsudo dolphin
[19:40] <james147> isaias: what are you trying to do? there is normally a better way around it
[19:41] <isaias> i try to set my hdmi sound card, but i need to get a file as a root
[19:42] <james147> isaias: if you need to edit a file as root, then just "kdesudo kate /path/to/file"  (you should be able to tabcomplete the path)
[19:42] <james147> (or kdesudo kate   << and open the file with kates menus)
[19:43] <james147> ^^ but generally its best to reduce the applications you run as root
[19:43] <jsaw> hi
[19:43] <james147> and dolphin generally dosent need to
[19:43] <james147> hello jsaw
[19:43] <jsaw> hi james147
[19:44] <jsaw> I'm a bit disappointed that I still can't really use kontact with google calendar...
[19:44] <isaias> ẗhanks james147, it works
[19:44] <james147> jsaw: what kde/kubuntu version?
[19:45] <jsaw> natty alpha 1
[19:45] <jsaw> (kontact is at 4.4.9)
[19:45] <james147> :p ... any reason your running an alpha?
[19:45] <jsaw> will this change soon, or do I have to invest some time ...
[19:46] <jsaw> james147:  testing...
[19:46] <james147> jsaw: last i checked (a few mounths ago) you could, though you needed to install an extra package
[19:46] <james147> although it dident worked very well at the time
[19:46] <rtdos> james147: ok, now i can see my home folder from windows (before i could just see my laptop) but that's it. i can't view any files inside my home folder. any suggestions?
[19:46] <james147> jsaw: give me 5 mins to set up a natty vm and I can find out how it works
[19:47] <jsaw> james147: All the messages I've read so far say, that reading is fine (which I experience too), but uploading does not work
[19:47] <jsaw> haven't found any message to the contrary
[19:47] <james147> rtdos: make sure you set up a samba user, or mmake sure there authentication isent required
[19:47] <jsaw> james147: I'd actually go that far that I would invest a couple of hours coding...
[19:48] <james147> jsaw: if you feel like helping with the code then by ll means :) would be nice to have it fully working
[19:48] <james147> jsaw: if you do decide to, then you might want to join #kde-devel , they will be able to help you better with the coding
[19:50] <jsaw> james147:  okay, that's exactly the information I was looking for (haven't done "patch work" since a couple of years, got a bit lazy looking up the info myself... sorry)
[19:50] <jsaw> james147:  which server is the #kde-devel, freenode?
[19:50] <james147> yup
[19:50] <jsaw> thx!
[19:51] <jsaw> btw, I like Natty a lot so far!
[19:52] <rtdos> james147: it won't save the samba user so how do i disable authentication?
[19:53] <james147> rtdos: ^^ change "security=share" to "security=user" in /etc/samba/smb.conf  (or see if one of the options in that util can do taht)
[19:53]  * james147 notes that that util is a front end to editing /etc/samba/smb.conf
[19:53] <rtdos> thanks. i will try that.
[19:58] <rtdos> James147: when i change security=share to security=user i can no longer see my home folder nor can i access my laptop.
[20:00] <james147> rtdos: o wait, no, it should be share :)
[20:01] <rtdos> when i have it set to share, i can see my home folder but can't access it beyond that. is there anything else i need to look for?
[20:02] <james147> rtdos: add your user to samaba (smbpasswd if i rember correctly)
[20:02] <james147> rtdos: or make sure that you ahve "guest=ok" in the share
[20:08] <rtdos> i'm gonna try rebooting.
[20:11] <BajK_> mh my ubuntu doesnt start anymore :O
[20:11] <BajK_> it worked and then battery was empty now i tried started it and i was put to this busybox thing
[20:12] <BajK_> No init found. Try passing init= bootarg
[20:12] <BajK_> so /boot and /home are mountable
[20:12] <BajK_> but when trying to mount / it fails
[20:12] <BajK_> "mount: mounting /dev/sda7 on /fuckyou failed: Invalid argument"
[20:12] <FloodBotK3> BajK_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:12] <BajK_> ( i chose this mountpoint since I am angry :D)
[20:19] <lemon> I just installed Kubuntu 10.10 on my laptop. My keyboard shortcuts are funny. right arrow lowers volume and left arrow mutes and unmutes.  How can I change this?
[20:20] <james147> lemon: hmm, system settings > shortcuts and gesters > global shortcuts
[20:22] <lemon> james147: volume isn't listed.  Only screen brightness and switch display.
[20:23] <james147> lemon: kmix should be listed in the KDE components dropdown manu, change to taht
[20:24] <ujjain> Where is Gparted in the Kubuntu live DVD?
[20:25] <james147> ujjain: it isent
[20:25] <lemon> james147: I couldn't find the shortcut list under the global shortcuts, but I found it under the kmix app itself.  Thanks.
[20:25] <james147> ujjain: you can install it on teh live cd, or partitionmanager (kdes version of gparted)
[20:25] <james147> ujjain: ^^ well tahts the cd, havent used the dvd
[20:26] <ujjain> I use the live CD burned on a DVD.
[20:26] <ujjain> Is there even a version for DVD and other for CD?
[20:26] <ujjain> I will try Package Management and install Gparted
[20:28] <ujjain> james147: It cannot find partition manager
[20:29] <james147> ujjain: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install partitionmanager    will install it (assuming a net cconnection)
[20:30] <ujjain> cannot find package partitionmanager
[20:31] <ujjain> kpartx?
[20:32] <james147> ujjain: it should be there, have you run "sudo apt-get update" and are you conected to the internet?
[20:32] <ujjain> Yep yep
[20:33] <ujjain> I use the Kubuntu 9.10 Live CD.
[20:33] <james147> .... that might be why
[20:33] <james147> ujjain: why not get a newer cd?
[20:34] <ujjain> I burned it 3 months ago and need to do repartitioning.
[20:34] <james147> ujjain: then install gparted,
[20:34] <ujjain> ok :)
[21:04] <pedja_> pozdrav
[21:07] <nicklas_> hello, anyone knows why quassel is still standard?isnt konversation fully functional for kde 4 by now?
[21:12] <jsaw> g'night
[21:12] <nicklas_> hello?
[21:12] <g0th> hi
[21:13] <g0th> when I switch the windows it doesnt come to the front
[21:13] <g0th> it is always the same window that is in the front
[21:13] <nicklas_> g0th: how do you mean?
[21:13] <g0th> alt+tab switches the windows
[21:14] <nicklas_> yeah?
[21:14] <g0th> but one windows always stays in front
[21:14] <g0th> even if I use alt+tab
[21:14] <g0th> and it is not related to a "specific" window
[21:14] <g0th> it happens on all desktops
[21:14] <nicklas_> its supposed to do that? you have to choose one of them?
[21:14] <nicklas_> or do you mean that one window gets stuck and you cant change?
[21:14] <g0th> no it is supposed to put the selected window to the front
[21:15] <g0th> it does change the current window
[21:15] <g0th> but it is not put in front
[21:15] <nicklas_> sounds likte some setting? have you changed something?
[21:16] <g0th> you mean if I every changed any setting whatsoever of my desktop?
[21:16] <g0th> yes
[21:16] <g0th> if you mean whether I remember if I changed a setting specific to this situation then no
[21:16] <nicklas_> i mean, have you done something that could have caused this?
[21:16] <g0th> I dont see what could have done this
[21:17] <nicklas_> well, i cant read your mind or see what you have done on your computer recently :-P
[21:17] <nicklas_> and update maybe? problem with graphic drivers or graphic card?
[21:17] <g0th> no
[21:18] <g0th> it is most definitely some desktop effect or window behaviour or shortcut thing
[21:18] <nicklas_> g0th: have you looked in settings?
[21:18] <g0th> there is the option "put above all"
[21:18] <g0th> or put behind all
[21:18] <g0th> the behaviour is like this
[21:19] <g0th> hmm
[21:20] <g0th> strange, every new window I open seems to behave like "always on top"
[21:20] <nicklas_> btw, what irc client you guys use?
[21:20] <g0th> irssi
[21:20] <g0th> another strange thing
[21:21] <g0th> some windows are not included when I cycle through them with alt+tab
[21:21] <nicklas_> have you used both konversation and quassel? im so used to konversation that i removed quassel, but i think i can give quassel a chance if anyone think its any good?
[21:21] <nicklas_> g0th: you must have changed some settings
[21:21] <g0th> by cycle through I meant that I do consecutive alt+tab
[21:21] <g0th> alt+tab then again alt+tab
[21:21] <g0th> etc
[21:22] <nicklas_> g0th: if you feel like reconfiguring your desktop, its easily fixed by emptying your home and rebooting
[21:22] <nicklas_> :-P
[21:23] <g0th> nicklas: omg
[21:23] <g0th> I hope you dont recommend this to any other users ^^
[21:23] <g0th> some might take you seriously
[21:24] <nicklas_> g0th: i said that you have to reconfigure everything, no foolin
[21:24] <james147> g0th: are your windows set to "keep above" (alt+f3: advanced)
[21:24] <nicklas_> g0th: up to them, but i would try that if nothing else works
[21:24] <g0th> well, if the configuration is good, which it should be, then one should be able to figure out what exactly to reconfigure
[21:25] <g0th> james147: I have one example, I click on firefox, firefox opens and it stays on top
[21:25] <g0th> so if I cycle through the windows I can select the others but firefox always stays on top
[21:25] <james147> g0th: check to see if they are set to be ^^ (alt+f3 (or right click the title bar) > advanced : see if keep above is chacked
[21:25] <g0th> and I never pressed alt+f3 or something like that, I _only_ pressed on the firefox icon and then used alt+tab
[21:26] <g0th> I just checked and it doesnt seem to be the case
[21:26] <nicklas_> g0th: might have done something by mistake?
[21:26] <g0th> hmm ok I found something out
[21:27] <g0th> firefox is not on top but all other windows seem to be below the others
[21:27] <james147> g0th: weird, you could try renaming ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc   << that will reset kwin to its default settings, see if thats the problem (can rename it back to restore the settings)
[21:27] <g0th> maybe it was just a wrongly set keybound to alt+up and alt+down
[21:27] <g0th> alt+up and alt+down sets a window above all resp below all
[21:28] <g0th> I dont think I did this for _all_ windows but it might actually be the case, lemme test it
[21:29] <g0th> what is the shortcut to put a window below all other but not to set the flag in that way?
[21:29] <g0th> and similar for to top
[21:39] <BajK_> hm starting dolphin fails, nothing happens
[21:39] <BajK_> running from console results in nothing happening just an empty line and ctrl-C reverts back to console
[21:41] <g0th> ok it seems to have been my keybinding indeed
[21:42] <g0th> keep below and above is not something you want to set a shortcut to ^^
[21:42] <g0th> ideally alt+up resp alt+down should raise resp. lower the windows once but still keep the focus on it
[22:14] <gashi_> ciao tutti
[22:21] <rtdos> how do i restart the smb daemon after manually editing the smb.conf file?
[22:26] <james147> rtdos: sudo restart samba   -- or sudo services samba restart    if i rember ccorrectly (though i have a feeling it might not be samba, could be smb)
[22:27] <rtdos> ok thx
[22:27] <yofel> smbd
[22:27] <rtdos> got it.
[22:27] <yofel> that's what the service is called (and nmbd, not sure what that was)
[22:29] <james147> yofel: i think its the name server for samba
[22:29] <yofel> ah
[22:38] <rtdos> james147: i have to remember 'force user = username' :)
[22:38] <james147> rtdos: why do you need to force user?
[22:44] <rtdos> i keep getting permission errors on windows. i disabled guest access. but i have a question: is there a way to disable printer shares or printer sharing in samba?
[22:45] <james147> rtdos: remove the printer entry in the smb.conf
[22:45] <james147> rtdos: also, have yo created a samba useR?
[22:46] <rtdos> how?
[22:46] <james147> or rather, added your user to the samba database (by running smbpasswd)
[22:47] <rtdos> doing that now. :">
[22:48] <rtdos> got an error " host <IP_ADDRESS>!
[22:48] <rtdos> machine <IP_ADDRESS> rejected the password change: Error was : NT code 0x1c010002."
[22:49] <james147> :S
[22:50] <james147> rtdos: sudo smbpasswd USERNAME    maby
[22:50] <rtdos> add user ? :S
[22:51] <james147> rtdos: no, shouldnt need to add a user (you are just adding your user to the samba users database
[22:54] <rtdos> i get "Failed to find entry for user root." when i use "sudo smbpasswd username"
[23:00] <james147> rtdos: try smbpasswd -a USERNAME
[23:00] <james147> its been awhile since i had to do that :)
[23:18] <rtdos> worked
[23:22] <valorie> !grub
[23:22] <james147> !grub2
[23:32] <t3rminat0r_> where is gcc's linker
[23:32] <t3rminat0r_> located?
[23:39] <yofel> t3rminat0r_: that's /usr/bin/ld IIRC
[23:41] <t3rminat0r_> thanx man
[23:41] <t3rminat0r_> but, what's IIRC ?
[23:42] <yofel> sorry, short for if I remember correctly
[23:43] <t3rminat0r_> I see
[23:43] <t3rminat0r_> btw, have you ever tried to run CUDA on linux ?
[23:47] <yofel> I did once get a boinc app to work with cuda, and since libcuda.so is shipped with the nvidia driver there's no reason it shouldn't work
[23:49] <t3rminat0r_> actually I face a vast of problems in finding and setting a proper IDE


 On the bright side - just did a successful upgrade from impish to jammy lubuntu - no errors (used TUI ) will attempt now focal to Jammy
 Upgrading impish to jammy with GUI also good no errors -


[00:00] <micahg> if queuebot pops up a note about packagekit being removed from desktop-extra, I did that since it's in core
[00:01]  * micahg is gone now until Sat night US time
[00:11] <xnox> were cron jobs re-enabled? or is ubuntu daily-live simply failing to build?
[00:13] <slangasek> it was failing to build
[00:14] <xnox> slangasek: hmmm... And don't see the logs at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/quantal/
[00:14] <xnox> I guess I am not special enough to find out about it
[00:16] <slangasek> xnox: my guess is the nature of the failure happened so early that it left no log
[00:20] <xnox> =) and Laney had faith that CDs will build after the flood gates open =)
[00:22] <infinity> xnox: If the livefs fails, there'll be no cd build log.
[00:22] <infinity> xnox: You want livefs-build-logs
[00:23] <infinity> Where you'll find failures such as:
[00:23] <infinity>  mcp-account-manager-uoa : Depends: signon-plugin-password but it is not installable
[00:24] <xnox> infinity: found it. Thanks.
[00:25] <xnox> infinity: cd/livefs build logs are more friendly to navigate than iso tracker to find out what has / hasn't been build.
[00:27]  * infinity thinks that it might be time to EOW after another batch of kernel SRUs have been dealt with.
[00:28] <infinity> Or I could promote quantal's kernel and do a d-i tonight, I suppose.
[00:28] <xnox> me and ubiquity are EOW, after the upload I just did.
[00:41] <xnox> infinity: thanks for kernels
[01:08] <slangasek> xnox: well, the CD failure was specifically because of packages being hit-and-miss copied from quantal-proposed into quantal; the floodgates themselves didn't seem to impact building
[01:09] <slangasek> oh, there's the uoa thing too
[01:12] <adam_g> are packages with new biniares currently being held in queue for approval?
[01:22] <infinity> adam_g: They always are.
[01:35] <adam_g> eek
[01:36] <adam_g> shouldnt have stepped away. was going to see about NACK'ing that quantum
[01:42] <infinity> adam_g: Oh?
[01:42] <infinity> adam_g: Why for?
[01:47] <adam_g> infinity: someone uploaded it prematurely. the new binaries in that upload are probably wrong and will be replaced with other, new binaries when its updated correctly. :|
[01:48] <infinity> Ahh.  Was a bit difficult to divine that when reviewing it.
[01:48] <infinity> Anyhow, no big deal, upload the new version with corrections, and the old binaries will go NBS and get removed.
[01:48] <infinity> Not world-ending.
[01:50] <adam_g> good to know. not world ending, but definitely week ending.  thanks, have a good one.
[01:51] <infinity> Toodles.
[12:14] <Laney> what is http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/bigfile ?
[13:37]  * ScottK suspects it's an mvo test file.
[21:33] <knome> huh? xubuntu alternate images seem to be around again.
[21:33] <knome> ^ release team, what's up with that? i thought they were dropped, twice
[21:35] <Laney> where?
[21:36] <stgraber> knome: according to crontab, it's only building for precise
[21:37] <stgraber> and the last published one for quantal was 4 days ago
[21:38] <knome> stgraber, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds (quantal daily) has testsuites for alternate, and the download links work
[21:38] <knome> stgraber, actually, the image is from 0902, but those testsuites still shouldn't show up
[21:39] <Laney> gone
[21:39] <knome> Laney, ta
[21:41] <Laney> wonder why the 04 one didn't get poster to the tracker though
[21:41] <Laney> oh, would have gone to beta
[21:41] <knome> mmh :)
[21:41] <stgraber> Laney: probably because it was during beta1 so the milestone was disabled and nusakan was pointing to beta
[21:41] <stgraber> right


[06:26] <duflu> Wow, platform-api needs some love. It has merge proposals untouched going back 18 months
[06:37] <anpok_> duflu: you misunderstood the mp.. though we already settled with the other.. the instantiation is pushed to the code using the configuration.. and in case of internal code will not be exposed as a symbol and in case of somebody outside of mirserver using it.. it will reside there
[06:37] <anpok_> so it is not part of the abi
[06:44] <duflu> anpok_: Isn't that still DefaultServerConfiguration? That's the leaf of the class hierarchy
[06:45] <duflu> Using templates still means just as many real functions get created. If they're that easily moved then we probably could have done it without templates
[06:45] <anpok_> hmm people could just interact with serverconfiguration and insert or query whatever they need
[06:45] <duflu> Maybe we have already -- I'm not going to start looking at the other branch
[06:46] <anpok_> and thats kind of the ugly side
[06:46] <anpok_> as it is harder to figure out what is provided and who pushes inside..
[06:47] <anpok_> hmm
[06:47] <anpok_> i added the templates to have it type safe
[06:47] <anpok_> otherwise i would have to expose the shared_ptr<void> based interface
[06:48] <duflu> anpok_: Doesn't matter now if something else has been chosen. And for my own sanity I need to not look at it any more till the sprint at least
[06:48] <anpok_> well I am not entirely convinced of both solutions..
[06:48] <duflu> Too many MPs
[06:49] <anpok_> but alans one is the better one for now
[06:49] <anpok_> untill we get wiser..
[06:49] <anpok_> and maybe still then
[06:52] <duflu> anpok_: Wiser still to stay out of it all ;)
[12:59] <anpok_> alf__: alan_g: WrappingBuilder instead of Wrapper?
[13:01] <alan_g> Why? It uses more words to convey the same concept.
[13:05] <anpok_> because it is only the function returning a wrapper.
[13:10] <alan_g> wrapper: 1. a person or thing that wraps.
[13:12] <alan_g> (You're thinking "2. something in which a thing is wrapped.")
[13:13] <alan_g> BuildingFunctor/WrappingFunctor :^)
[13:13] <anpok_> alan_g: you mean it wrapps the functor that builds the type
[13:14] <alan_g> no. There's a functor that builds and a functor that wraps
[13:17] <anpok_> ok
[13:17] <anpok_> brb
[13:33] <kdub_> AlbertA2, with thte frameskipping/krillin issue, that doesn't occur with overlays on correct?
[13:56] <alan_g> kdub_: does render_overlays do anything useful on desktop (I get an exception "trying to createGBM buffer with unsupported pixel format")
[13:57] <kdub_> alan_g, it could be used to try out bypass, but in the current form thats not easy to do
[13:57] <kdub_> and that issue would be something else to figure out what's going on
[13:58] <kdub_> it needs some sprucing up, mostly to render more interesting things, and perhaps have more indicative output of what's going on
[13:58] <kdub_> in terms of accepting/rejecting an optimization
[13:59] <alan_g> kdub_: OK (I wanted to check I hadn't broken - but if it seems already broken)
[13:59] <alan_g> thanks
[14:02] <kdub_> yep, no problem
[14:05] <kdub_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1381552
[14:05] <kdub_> seems it needed a wishlist bug
[14:41] <AlbertA2> kdub_: right I have not seen it happen with overlays
[14:42] <kdub_> AlbertA2, i've been watching for a while with overlays disabled, and I havent seen it
[14:42] <AlbertA2> kdub_: egltriangle?
[14:43] <kdub_> yes
[14:43] <AlbertA2> I wonder if we got a new vendor binary blob
[14:43] <kdub_> possible
[15:04] <robotfuel> greyback_: I have a better stacktrace in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1377332
[15:05] <greyback_> robotfuel: thanks
[15:07] <greyback_> robotfuel: the spinner was animating?
[15:07] <robotfuel> greyback_: yes there is a link to video on my chinstrap account
[15:07] <greyback_> robotfuel: yep I saw that from the video
[15:07] <greyback_> just wnated to confirm
[15:08] <greyback_> robotfuel: is it still hung, or have you rebooted it?
[15:08] <robotfuel> greyback_: I've re-imaged with todays image :/
[15:08] <robotfuel> greyback_: I think I still have log files
[15:09] <greyback_> robotfuel: nah, I would have asked for you to install a few more debug packages, as there's some symbols missing which could help
[15:09] <robotfuel> greyback_: I can do it next time, which packages?
[15:09] <greyback_> I'm just about to set off some more random testing myself, so with luck I'll get it
[15:10] <greyback_> robotfuel: dandrader mentioned them in comment 22: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1377332/comments/22
[15:11] <robotfuel> greyback_: ah I didn't install those, just the qt dbg packages, I'll make sure to install those on the next one.
[15:11] <greyback_> robotfuel: thanks. If you get another hang, please ping me
[15:12] <robotfuel> greyback_: actually the phone hasn't been imaged yet, I can still install those.
[15:13] <greyback_> robotfuel: well if you get hang, we cna attach gdb, try generating stacktrace, see what debug symbols we need, install them and try gdb again
[17:11] <kdub_> tricky to see the best place to put the fd size description
[17:11] <kdub_> in the ipc layer
[17:11] <kdub_> the header, the wire protocol, or the mir protocol...
[17:12] <kdub_> we currently have it in the mir protocol, which seems wrong
[18:35] <robotfuel> greyback_: are you still around? I have another ui freeze
[18:35] <greyback_> robotfuel: yep
[18:36] <greyback_> robotfuel: please attach gdb to the frozen unity8 process, and do a backtrace
[18:36] <robotfuel> greyback_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1377332/+attachment/4237481/+files/gdb.txt
[18:36] <robotfuel> greyback_: done :D
[18:38] <robotfuel> greyback_: this one is on mako instead of krillin like before
[18:39] <greyback_> robotfuel: ok. In gdb, would you mind entering "info threads" and pasting the output to me
[18:40] <robotfuel> greyback_: the backtrace unlocked the freeze
[18:40] <greyback_> robotfuel: that isn't possible, but more likely something timed out and unblocked the rendering


[06:33] <highvoltage> confused_: chances are that something went wrong with downloading or burning the disk image
[06:34] <highvoltage> confused_: when you boot from the edubuntu dvd, you can select 'check disc for errors' to confirm, but you should probably do a checksum of the iso you have downloaded and perhaps try to burn it at a lower speed
[06:35] <highvoltage> (you can also write it to usb which is often faster)


[07:08]  * smb yawns
[07:10] <_ruben> good idea
[07:12] <cooloney> smb: morning
[07:13] <smb> cooloney, morning
[07:16] <TomGLU> hi I came across a ext4 bug (returning too large d_off values) in the 3.4.4 kernel
[07:16] <TomGLU> where should i report this?
[07:19] <smb> TomGLU, start a report by running "ubuntu-bug linux". From there it depends ... If you got something that can produce the error on demand, make sure to describe it as well as possible.
[07:28] <TomGLU> its something we cam across that trigger problems in glusterfs
[07:28] <TomGLU> one of there developers could replicate it on a KVM iameg using the same kernel
[07:30] <TomGLU> because we used linux-image-3.4.4-030404-generic not precise it saids "The problem cannot be reported:"
[07:30] <TomGLU> *not=on
[07:31] <TomGLU> "This is not an official Ubuntu package." but we got the image from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.4.4-quantal/
[07:31] <_ruben> those aren't official ;)
[07:32] <_ruben> when it comes to support that is
[07:32] <smb> Right, it should be reproducible with the official one
[07:32] <smb> Though it can be that it might become a regression. Any reason to run mainline kernels? Those should only be used to narrow down issues...
[07:34] <smb> TomGLU, Anyway you should try to reproduce it with a current quantal kernel
[07:34] <smb> (which would also make sure it is still there)
[07:35] <TomGLU> used because we needed a libvirt kernel bug fix that wasn't included in the default precise kernel
[07:37] <TomGLU> and i don't need support I just want to let the ubuntu kernel team know so it might be fixed or can be checked in more recent versions
[07:38] <TomGLU> so were do I submit this so I can detail what the issue is and maybe others can reproduce in other versions
[07:43]  * apw yawns
[07:44] <smb> Support here rather as in what kernel versions to considered as supported. There is already a lot of complexity trying to maintain the official kernels. Its just impossible to consider self-compiled ones. Thanks for telling us about it. It would be great if you (or whoever did reproduce it in a kvm) could do the same with  a quantal install with the up-to date official kernel and report this.
[07:45] <smb> As said before, that would allow to see whether this is possibly already fixed upstream (as the quantal kernel is really close to that)
[07:45] <smb> apw, Morning
[07:46] <cking> morning apw
[07:46] <TomGLU> I'll try if i can do it on a VM as we can't try it on the original machine,
[07:47]  * apw waves
[07:47] <TomGLU> and ubuntu-bug linux is the only way to report it or si there an bug system i can submit the issue manually?
[07:47] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[07:48] <smb> TomGLU, Sure, that would be awesome. And also it would allow the ubuntu-bug submission. It is also possible, but ubuntu-bug also automatically gathers a lot of machine information and log files.
[07:48] <apw> in an emergency you can file it that way, but the bots willhastle you for lots of information
[07:48] <smb> But you can do manually as apw says
[07:49] <TomGLU> ok I'l investigate it in a VM first then and try to report it with ubuntu-bug
[07:56] <smb> Thanks. I did a quick glance over the recent ext4 commits and (while certainly not in depth) it did not look as something similar was worked on. So I would believe that it would still exist.
[07:58] <cooloney> apw and cking, morning
[07:59] <ppisati> moin
[08:01] <cooloney> ppisati: morning
[08:01] <apw> cooloney, ppisati, moin
[08:01] <apw> recursive hello death
[08:04] <apw> smb, xen-blkfront breaks in -rc6 something to do with the compute node performance thing we are carrying for EC2, it looks easy to fix but it will need a test after i push it
[08:05] <smb> apw, Hm yeah, that was something we wanted to look at anyway. But sure I can test it when you have a kernel (or I do one after the push)
[08:07] <apw> it looks trivial to fix, so i suspect it'll be fine, but knowing we've tested and are alive is always good
[08:11] <smb> Oh I agree. You never know what else broke...
[08:17] <cooloney> apw: if an config option's policy is =m, but we found this config option is mostly useless, can we change the policy? like CONFIG_GPIO_EM
[08:17] <cooloney> it is 'Say yes here to support GPIO on Renesas Emma Mobile SoCs'
[08:18] <apw> cooloney, if it is patenty useless on everything i can annotate it so
[08:18] <apw> sounds liek something which should be just 'n' across everywhere indeed
[08:19] <caribou> smb: morning
[08:19] <smb> caribou, Hey Louis
[08:19] <cooloney> yeah, for CONFIG_GPIO_EM is only for Renesas ARM Emma Mobile SoCs, so we are safe to set it as =n for everyone
[08:19] <caribou> did you get any further with your kdump issue ?
[08:19] <apw> cooloney, yes for things which are useless building a module nothing can load is definatly dumb
[08:19] <caribou> smb: I'm downloading the Quatzal daily to test on the latest version
[08:20] <apw> cooloney, want me to annotate that =n now ?
[08:20] <cooloney> apw: yeah, thanks, i just found it is red in our review wiki page.
[08:20] <cooloney> and it because the policy is =m, but we got everyone =n as we expect
[08:20] <smb> caribou, Right, I just tried with crashkernel=128M and that seems to solve the problem
[08:21] <apw> cooloney, CONFIG_GPIO_EM right ?
[08:21] <smb> caribou, The current cmdline would only use 64M as I got only 2G
[08:21] <caribou> smb: cool. I will still need your help to explain to me how this crashkernel memory is populated
[08:22] <caribou> I have a case where, even with 384Mb reserved, the kernel still doesn't load & OOM kicks in
[08:22] <smb> caribou, Knowing that to be the problem I can look at that more closely now
[08:22] <cooloney> apw: yeah, that's it
[08:23] <caribou> smb: my guess is that, depending on which module gets loaded, the memory requirement inflate
[08:23] <apw> caribou, it is populated in two parts, 1) by kexec in the normal running kernel which loads an executable kernel into the gap, and 2) it represents the whole memory space for that kernel once we have jumped into
[08:23] <smb> caribou, I had the feeling I saw a slight textual corruption on boot on my machine. Maybe things load into places that may be used differently
[08:23] <cooloney> apw: and for CONFIG_GPIO_SYSFS, our policy is =n because it is experimental. only highbank =n, others are all =y. looks like it is quite usefule
[08:23] <cooloney> *useful
[08:23] <caribou> apw: yeah, I got that part figured out, what I'm missing is what gets loaded in as the kernel boots up
[08:24] <cooloney> oh, powerpc also set it as =n.
[08:24] <apw> caribou, it is a full kernel boot, in that limited space, so whatever normally loads during early boot
[08:24] <smb> apw, So basically faking a full mem of xM
[08:25] <caribou> apw: then the more modules gets loaded, the more memory will be required.
[08:25] <dileks> hi
[08:25] <apw> mostly we don't start much just get the disk mounted and then run the memory copier, then reboot
[08:25] <smb> apw, The other question I see is: what region gets used for that xM actually and may it hit bios reserved memory?
[08:26] <apw> smb, in theory its a chunk out of bootmem, and again in theory taken after the reserved regions are taken
[08:26] <caribou> apw: this goes back to the /etc/initramfs/initramfs.conf MODULES= setup that you once told me about
[08:26] <dileks> apw: any progress on ovl-v13 against 3.5-rcX as rc6 is released (in your overlayfs.git repo)?
[08:26] <apw> caribou, right, a very small initrd is preferable as that is extracted into the memory space reserved
[08:27] <smb> apw, Right, so that was where I thought I should look more closely. IT surely seems to be placed as high (as in the end of bootmem)
[08:27] <caribou> smb: afaik, it fits above the first 32M of RAM
[08:28] <apw> smb, i suspect that is more about it being aligned than anything, its probabally maximally aligned ie aligned at its size
[08:28] <smb> apw, Hm, so maybe the unpack could have some issue as well.
[08:29] <smb> caribou, apw In my case its placed at 800M (or 7xx with crashkernel=128M)
[08:29] <apw> smb, well in the past we had a massive initrd, so you need the kernel, the packed inird, and the unpacked initrd in the space for a short period and that can go pop
[08:30] <apw> no idea if that got fixed or not, but we should be using an '=needed' type initrd for kexec
[08:30] <smb> apw, Ok, that explanation makes a lot of sense
[08:31] <smb> The compressed initrd is 14M...
[08:32] <smb> uncompressed 38M
[08:34] <smb> ... and the kernel code alone about 7M
[08:34] <TomGLU> just tested it in a KVM with Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) Alpha 2 and still high d_off
[08:38] <TomGLU> which ubuntu image should i use though cause it still says:
[08:38] <TomGLU> *** Problem in linux-image-3.5.0-2-generic
[08:38] <TomGLU> This is not an official Ubuntu package
[08:40] <apw> i am sure we got someone to test using =needed or whatever it is and that helped a lot, someone need to make kexec actually do that
[08:46] <smb> TomGLU, Hm, weird though it could be because the latest 3.5 kernel was 3.5.0-3 or even -4 (there is a lot of change in the development release, so it is always a good idea to run update/dist-upgrade after installing)
[08:46] <TomGLU> ok i'll try the diet-upgrade
[08:46] <smb> Saying its not official is a bit confusing, though
[08:47] <TomGLU> indeed
[08:47] <TomGLU> its distupgrading to 3.5.0-3 now
[08:50] <TomGLU> ok now it is sending the report
[09:03] <smb> TomGLU, Great. If you can post the bug number here we can have a look
[09:15] <TomGLU> smb: 1022500
[09:23] <smb> TomGLU, Thanks, hm you might add how to easily obtain those values. I would not immediately know. debugfs?
[09:23] <dileks> http://www.heise.de/open/news/foren/S-Castle-of-AArch64/forum-232679/msg-22087233/read/
[09:23] <dileks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEcvSq4SDkc
[09:23] <dileks> I would tend to arm64 than aarch64
[09:25] <smb> Never to miss the opportunity to refer to the Pythons...
[09:26] <dileks> aah monty pythons
[11:01] <TomGLU> smb: got a small C script from the cluster developer that prints the d_off for a given directory
[11:01] <TomGLU> *cluster=Gluster
[11:36]  * ppisati -> lunch
[11:48] <apw> ogasawara, pushed a v3.5-rc6 rebase for you, had to fix 'UBUNTU: SAUCE: Improve Amazon EBS performance for EC2' so we need to get smb to test that functionality.
[12:02] <smb> apw, ack will have a look
[12:12] <ogra_> diwic, yo, do you happen to be around ?
[12:13] <diwic> ogra_, let me check....yes, I actually am!
[12:13] <ogra_> haha
[12:13] <ogra_> diwic, so i built myself this new desktop machine ...  shiny thing with hda soundcard onboard and two ati graphics cards ...
[12:15] <ogra_> and apparently the cards both have hda intel codecs on board ... i know sound worked at some point during my fiddling (but i constantly used a BT headset ...) yesterday i though i should try to make analog sound  work and set up my 2.1 system but somehow i'm not able to squeeze the smallest sound ou of the system
[12:16] <diwic> ogra_, okay, se let's start with an alsa-info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo so I know what kind of hardware you got
[12:16] <ogra_> diwic, any idea what that could be ? pavucontrol shows all three devices with alsamixer -c1 i can see all hda controls for the analog audio
[12:16] <ogra_> ok
[12:17] <ogra_> diwic, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1082642/
[12:18] <ogra_> i wouldnt be unhappy if the HDMI devices didnt show up at all btw
[12:19] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, that ALC892 is unusual, I remember there was someone with that codec also who had some problems with it
[12:20] <ogra_> well, i know i did a smoke test at some point during assembling that thing and sound worked just fine back then
[12:20] <ogra_> (about a week ago or so)
[12:20] <diwic> ogra_, so if you run "speaker-test -c 2 -D plughw:PCH -t wav", do you get any sound out of either headphones or line out?
[12:20] <ogra_> is teher any way to tell the driver to ignore the two hdmi cards ?
[12:21] <ogra_> nope, from neither
[12:21] <diwic> ogra_, I guess the easiest way would be to blacklist snd-hda-codec-hdmi, but I'd be surprised if that solved the problem
[12:21] <ogra_> that i did already for a test
[12:21] <ogra_> didnt change a thing
[12:22] <ogra_> (well, apart from pavucontrol not showing the graphics cards anymore)
[12:23] <diwic> I guess you can also work with the pci unbind stuff, which I hardly know how to do
[12:23] <diwic> if you want to ignore it even more
[12:23] <caribou> smb: FYI, I'm not able to get Quantal to trigger a kernel dump. kexec doesn't wanna kick in
[12:23] <ogra_> oh, thats something i didnt think about yet
[12:23] <ogra_> well, i'd like to keep the graphics output :)
[12:23] <diwic> ogra_, hmm but I think the audio has a separate PCI ID
[12:24] <ogra_> yeah, it should
[12:24] <diwic> ah wait, the other one was a ALC898, not ALC892. Still unusual codecs though
[12:25] <ogra_> well, its all pretty new HW
[12:25] <smb> caribou, Ok, so that needs more investigation then. Thanks for the info. I guess this should go into some new bug then to keep track of it. Feel free to assign it to me
[12:26] <caribou> smb: ok, I want to check a few more things, then I'll create a bug
[12:26] <smb> caribou, Ok, sure and thanks
[12:26] <diwic> ogra_, a quick grep through the reports for ALC892 show plenty of people having playback issues, but not all.
[12:27] <ogra_> hmm, ok
[12:28] <diwic> ogra_, I did have a look at the alsa info but nothing popped out as being wrong in the setup.
[12:28] <ogra_> right, i can even see the meters in pavucontrol work once i play back the test sound from the gnome sound applet
[12:28] <ogra_> it just doesnt come out of the speaker
[12:29] <diwic> ogra_, hmm, it looks like automute is enabled so make sure headphones are not plugged in when you're testing the speakers
[12:29] <ogra_> yep
[12:30] <diwic> ogra_, that said there should still be sound in the headphones...
[12:30] <ogra_> i also tested with automute disabled before just for the record
[12:30] <diwic> ogra_, you said the last time it worked was during assembly.
[12:31] <ogra_> i have some humming in the speakers (electric noise) and get a crackling sound on plug/unplug so there is definitely power
[12:31] <ogra_> well, i'm still in assembly, since last weekend
[12:31] <ogra_> it worked some time through the last week
[12:31] <diwic> ogra_, based on that, would there be any difference if you unplug the HDA front cable from the motherboard?
[12:32] <diwic> ogra_, or rather, do you know if it was connected when it last worked?
[12:32] <ogra_> it was connected before i powered up for the first time
[12:32] <ogra_> but i added the second graphics card only later
[12:33] <ogra_> bug 982635 looks intresting
[12:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 982635 in alsa-driver "Playback working randomly with Intel ALC892" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/982635
[12:33] <ogra_> though with that i would assume to have at least once sound in 50 reboots or so
[12:33] <ogasawara> apw: ack, thanks
[12:35] <diwic> ogra_, out of curiousity, what is the mainboard's name?
[12:35] <ogra_> asus P8 H67-M Pro
[12:36] <diwic> ogra_, there is bug 1002480 for P8P67
[12:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1002480 in pulseaudio "[Asus P8P67, Realtek ALC892, playback] Underruns, dropouts or crackling sound" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002480
[12:37] <ogra_> heh, that somewhat assumes you have some sound to hear it become crackly :)
[12:37] <diwic> ogra_, according to that report removing .pulse directory helped, but, a test with "speaker-test -D plughw:PCH" should have disabled anything pulse so...
[12:38] <ogra_> yeah, i removed ~/.pulse like 100 times already
[12:38] <diwic> ogra_, seems like you've tried it all! :-)
[12:38] <ogra_> i even deinstalled it to play plainly with alsa
[12:39] <ogra_> i aslo think on the pluse side everything is fine
[12:39] <diwic> ogra_, hrm, did you update alsa drivers also?
[12:39] <ogra_> must be some lower layer
[12:39] <ogra_> from the PPA ?
[12:39] <ogra_> not yet
[12:39] <diwic> ogra_, the dkms drivers could be worth a try, but I was also making sure that you haven't tried home-compiling them. That could be a source of error as well
[12:40] <ogra_> ah, no
[12:40] <ogra_> i tried an upstream fglrx package but even that one is reverted to the archive one now
[12:41] <diwic> ogra_, btw, you have uninstalled pulseaudio you say, but still you have ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf pointing to it.
[12:42] <ogra_> well, i used -D plughw in aplay for testing
[12:43] <diwic> ogra_, btw, I saw somebody trying different jacks and were able to get sound that way - could you try, while running "speaker-test -D plughw:PCH -c 2 -t sine", the other rear jacks as well?
[12:43] <diwic> ogra_, maybe there is sound in the grey jack or something.
[12:44] <diwic> ogra_, and try the DKMS drivers in ubuntu-audio-dev ppa.
[12:44] <diwic> ogra_, that's my long shots at the moment.
[12:44] <ogra_> all jacks tried, nothign
[12:44] <ogra_> i'll try the dkms drivers ...
[12:45] <ogra_> its not the end of the world if i have to go on using BT for a while, but it would be nice to get it working some day
[12:46] <diwic> ogra_, btw, you should turn off "Line Playback Volume", that's for line-in to line-out loopback
[12:46] <ogra_> ah, k, i was wondering what that is :)
[12:46] <diwic> you probably don't want that, just leads to background noises in worst case
[12:46] <ogra_> (doesnt make any difference if its off or on)
[12:47] <diwic> ok
[12:47] <ogra_> what do you want me to try, just the PPA or the alsa-daily stuff ?
[12:48] <diwic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS
[12:48] <ogra_> ah, daily :)
[12:51]  * ogra_ reboots
[13:02] <ogra_> diwic, no change with the dkms modules ... if i have a lazy day i'll try to remove both grapics cards and see what changes then ...
[13:02] <ogra_> for now i'll juts live with BT
[13:03] <ogra_> *just
[13:03] <diwic> ogra_, yeah, I wonder what's with those cards really. It does look like an unusual amounts of ALC892 fail in one way or the other
[13:03] <diwic> ogra_, or if I'm just seeing patterns where there aren't any.
[13:04] <ogra_> well, i'm pretty surprised to see the cards using the intel driver really
[13:04] <ogra_> i thought there was a special radeon driver for that ...
[13:05] <diwic> ogra_, all hdmi audio use snd-hda-intel + snd-hda-codec-hdmi drivers these days.
[13:06] <ogra_> ah, k
[13:06] <ogra_> well, i found some bugs where people were told to boot with radeon.autio=0 or so
[13:06] <ogra_> *audio
[13:06] <ogra_> so i thought the radeon driver somehow manages audio too
[13:07] <diwic> radeon.audio=0 is the default for kernels >= 3.0
[13:07] <ogra_> right
[13:07] <ogra_> (doesnt help with fglrx though)
[13:07] <ogra_> i tested with a quantal livedcd too already ... same result
[13:07] <ogra_> s/livecd/live udb key/
[13:08] <ogra_> *usb
[13:08] <diwic> they had too many problems with audio=1 (people getting visual problems) so they turned it off
[13:08] <ogra_> *sigh*
[13:08]  * ogra_ wants to learn typing one day
[13:21] <rtg> apw, 'UBUNTU: [Config] built-in CONFIG_MICREL_PHY as other PHY drivers for all flavours' is going to cause build failures for the arches that have a module go missing, e.g. "git grep micrel debian.master/abi"
[13:22] <apw> rtg, bah yeah will sort it n
[13:22] <rtg> apw, I did an update locally already. shall I just push it ?
[13:22] <apw> sure
[13:23] <apw> its going to be a rough week alreadyb
[13:25] <rtg> apw, done
[13:26] <apw> rtg, thanks ... sigh
[13:26] <rtg> jsalisbury, bouncing gomeisa for kernel update
[13:50] <jsalisbury> rtg, is it ok to use gomeisa now?
[13:50] <rtg> jsalisbury, yeah, its back
[13:50] <jsalisbury> rtg, cool, thanks
[14:00] <smb> apw, ogasawara Ok, on a quick (5 iterations) bonnie test on 32 and 64 bit PV guests I did not see any problems with the rc6 rebase + apw's blockfront fixups
[14:01] <ogasawara> smb: great, thanks
[14:11] <apw> ogasawara, feel free to squash that fix sometime, perhaps after the next upload
[14:12] <ogasawara> apw: ack.  I'm hoping to get in an upload today after wading through my inbox.
[14:12] <apw> ogasawara, sounds good, let me know when you have a tag and i'll get ll together over it
[14:18] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: any progress on bug 1018020 by chance?  it's apparently affecting most of the QA team.  holler if you need help.
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1018020 in linux "Logitech webcam not working" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018020
[14:19] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, just tested -rc6 and it still exists.  I'm still bisecting.  I ran into a few test kernels that would panic and a few commits that would not build, but still making progress.
[14:20] <ogasawara> pgraner: ^^ just fyi
[14:20] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, it's my top priority for today, and I have hardware to reproduce.
[14:21] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, pgraner, I confirmed this bug was introduced in v3.5-rc1, just working on finding the exact commit.
[14:22] <pgraner> jsalisbury, cool let me know when you have a kernel I'll run it on my boxes that are failing
[14:22] <jsalisbury> pgraner, will do
[15:00]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:24] <ogasawara> rtg: bah, stupid permission denied build error again on gomeisa.  it seems to always trigger in the i386 chroot.
[15:26] <rtg> ogasawara, paste it ?
[15:26] <ogasawara> ccache: FATAL: Could not create /home/ogasawara/quantal-i386/ccache/8/2/1834a73ab5ad0e3ffbed95e7a26d38-1830488.o.tmp.stdout.gomeisa.3990 (permission denied?)
[15:26] <ogasawara> make[7]: *** [drivers/net/ethernet/intel/ixgb/ixgb_main.o] Error 1
[15:26] <ogasawara> make[6]: *** [drivers/net/ethernet/intel/ixgb] Error 2
[15:26] <ogasawara> make[6]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[15:28] <rtg> ogasawara, but amd64 works OK ?
[15:29] <ogasawara> rtg: yep.  amd64, armhf, and amel were all ok
[15:29] <rtg> ogasawara, have you tried without ccache ?
[15:29] <ogasawara> rtg: I haven't
[15:31] <rtg> ogasawara, this doesn't seem like a chroot issue
[15:31] <ogasawara> rtg: lemme clean things up and try again
[15:32] <rtg> ogasawara, I think you're better off without ccache. I found that it took longer to resolve the hash then it did to just recreate the file, especially when you have several thousand files.
[16:09]  * ppisati -> gym (see u later)
[16:16]  * herton -> lunch
[16:28]  * henrix -> brb
[18:24]  * henrix -> EOD
[18:39] <bjf> arges: issue #1 on why a hotfix should be used it true means that you are going to be the sole supprt for that kernel and all future versions of it ? seems like at that point you should engage with OEM.
[18:40] <bjf> arges, also you are re-inventing the build instructions. you should look at the stable team build instructions and all you need to do is hae a different version string
[20:13]  * rtg -> EOD
[20:25] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, pgraner, I'm pretty close on the bisect for bug 1018020 I should have a test kernel withing an hour or two.
[20:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1018020 in linux "Logitech webcam not working" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018020
[20:25] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: awesome, thanks for digging into it
[20:26] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, np.  It was a good learning one.  Plenty failed kernels during the bisect that needed fixing up :-)
[20:26] <jsalisbury> The early release candidates can be a pain to bisect :-)
[20:35] <pgraner> jsalisbury, coolio
[20:35] <jsalisbury> pgraner, I'll update the bug and send email when the test kernel is ready


[05:26] <G> afternoon.   So, we were discussing ZaReason the other week/month and what happened, seems it is still chugging along per:  https://twitter.com/ZaReasonNZ/status/345762136397578240
[05:32] <olly_> G: yeah, i bought a desktop off them a few months ago
[05:33] <G> yeah, their radio silence at the time seemed odd, nice to see that they seem to have broken it :)
[12:51] <hads> Needs more.


[01:12] <mhall119> thanks cjohnston
[06:00] <Guest93579> There is a typo on Ubuntu download page --> http://i.imgur.com/QOyIc.png
[17:13] <newz2000> No, you really can download all your Muwsic
[19:52] <mhall119> newz2000: I filed a bug
[19:52] <newz2000> mhall119: oh, thanks
[19:52] <mhall119> :)
[19:52] <newz2000> Sadly, the website is frozen so we will have to live with it until release
[19:52] <mhall119> I think we'll survive a typo
[19:53] <newz2000> we can use the time to enjoy our Muwsic
[19:53] <mhall119> I bought Muwsic from Amazon dash results


[01:47] <fta> looks like the dep-waits are no longer requeued :( https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[02:33] <Hellow> Been getting a lot of errors from Launchpad
[02:50] <tansell> Still no one able to help me with https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/69460 ?
[04:54] <tansell> so are all the devs off to a conference this week or something?
[04:56] <wgrant> tansell: Yes - Canonical AllHands starts today or tomorrow, and UDS is next week, so lots of people are in transit to Barcelona or in conferences.
[04:56] <tansell> UDS = Ubuntu Developers Summit?
[04:56] <wgrant> Yes.
[04:56] <wgrant> Where there's normally quite a few LP devs as well.
[04:57] <tansell> makes sense
[04:57] <tansell> explains why I was getting nice fast response to my help requests a week ago and now nobody is about :(
[05:01] <wgrant> It's also only 6am there, so nobody should be awake anyway.
[05:13] <Hellow> its 12:13AM here
[06:27] <bogner> is there a way to cancel a build that's currently running, in my ppa?
[06:28] <bogner> i can see in the log that it's repeatedly trying to access a webserver and timing out, which is obviously a waste of cpu time
[06:44] <bogner> nevermind, it finished
[07:21] <Hellow> How would I create a sort of "umbrella" project that covers two different projects?
[07:22] <wgrant> Hellow: Launchpad has this concept of a 'project group.' See https://launchpad.net/launchpad-project, for example.
[07:22] <wgrant> Hellow: You have to ask an admin to create one for you.
[07:23] <Hellow> wgrant: Any admins in here right now? lol
[07:23] <wgrant> Project groups can't have much done directly on them (they don't have bugs, branches, blueprints, translations), but they're good for showing associations and sometimes granting privileges.
[07:23] <wgrant> Hellow: Probably not - ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[07:25] <Hellow> ok
[10:24]  * wgrant laments the lack of LP devs.
[11:32] <tansell> still no LP devs around?
[11:32] <Ursinha> tansell, any problems?
[11:32] <tansell> I'm trying to get help with https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/69460
[11:45] <tansell> I would really like to combined the three ppa's and finish this packaging
[14:11] <Laney> is there any way to get a PPA which builds on PPC for the purposes of debugging?
[15:03] <zoobab01> hi
[15:03] <zoobab01> how do I specify to compile a PPA package for hardy+intrepid+karmic?
[15:04] <zoobab01> in my debian/changelog file?
[15:08] <lifeless> zoobab01: yes
[15:10] <zoobab01> what kind of syntax?
[15:10] <VK7HSE> zoobab01: here's an example of one...   me-tv (0.8.13-0ubuntu1~ppa1) jaunty; urgency=low
[15:11] <zoobab01> me-tv (0.8.13-0ubuntu1~ppa1) jaunty intrepid karmic; urgency=low
[15:11] <zoobab01> ?
[15:11] <VK7HSE> zoobab01: ok the line reads as follows...
[15:11] <VK7HSE> program version dist urgency
[15:12] <hggdh> it is one dist per package
[15:13] <VK7HSE> no you can only specify one distribution only..
[15:13] <zoobab01> ah
[15:13] <zoobab01> so I have to upload 3 times for 3 distribs?
[15:14] <VK7HSE> and your ppa will only allow one copy of source for that build too!
[15:15] <VK7HSE> clear as mud? ;)
[15:15] <zoobab01> :-)
[15:17] <zoobab01> I could be more clear
[15:17] <zoobab01> like upload one .changes file for each distrib
[15:17] <zoobab01> which only differ because of their debian/changelog file
[15:18] <xnox`> launchpad just went crazy on me. Decided to email ~10 commit messages which are about 15 hours old.....
[15:18] <VK7HSE> zoobab01: I'm not sure! as I only build for one dist release at a time...
[15:19]  * VK7HSE (I'm still learning!)
[15:19] <zoobab01> ok
[15:37] <xnox`> Can someone please help me use launchpad email interface? I keep emailing and it always fails on the first command "affects pytlm"
[15:37] <xnox`> I've tried even case sensetive name "affects PyTLM"
[15:37] <xnox`> what am I doing wrong?
[17:55] <BUGabundo> hi
[17:55] <BUGabundo> since i cant find anywhere else to ask this:
[17:55] <BUGabundo> where can i get help for the fw of my alias @ubuntu.com?
[17:56] <BUGabundo> i sent an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but got nothing back
[18:16] <stani> is it possible to undelete a package?
[18:21] <stani> never mind
[18:44] <servilio> hi! is it possible to use markup in the information [text]area of a bug report?
[18:58] <jelkner> any here who could ask a question about how to organize a translation of a series of tutorials on launchpad?
[18:59] <jelkner> i'm a high school teacher who has been working for years with my students on a series of small tutorials
[18:59] <jelkner> https://edge.launchpad.net/getting-down-with
[19:00] <jelkner> we now want to translate the series into spanish
[19:00] <jelkner> and i could use help figuring out how to set that up
[19:06] <jelkner> is this the right place to ask a question like this?
[19:06] <jelkner> or should i be asking elsewhere?
[19:26] <maxb> Laney: doko has an all-architectures PPA, you could ask him how to request it
[19:48] <fta> something's wrong with the builders, they no longer retry the dep-waits. Started 3 or 4 days ago
[19:48] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa?field.name_filter=firefox-3.5&field.status_filter=any&field.series_filter=jaunty
[19:55] <fta> probably due to the huge queue created by cjwatson/test-rebuild-20090513.. a manual retry fails too, build score = 0 :(
[19:57] <maxb> fta: That wouldn't affect the lpia builds, though?
[20:02] <fta> hm, right
[20:04] <maxb> Today's build seems to be a genuinely correct depwait, though
[20:06] <aboudreault> I'm trying to copy binary (via the web interface) from jaunty to intrepid. but the upload fails: The following files are already published in my-ppa:..... the-file_x.deb
[20:06] <aboudreault> Should I not be able to copy like that ?
[20:07] <maxb> That sounds like you have not actually selected "Copy binaries"
[20:08] <aboudreault> I' pretty sure that yes. (did it twice)
[20:08] <aboudreault> strangly... the package have been rebuild o_O
[20:28] <fta> maxb, they are all genuine. i push xulrunner and firefox at the same time, with a dep forcing ff to wait for xul to be complete. so the dep is bumped daily
[20:28] <maxb> todays xulrunning FTBFS though
[20:28] <maxb> erm, *xulrunner
[20:28] <fta> yes, i fixed it, i just need to push it
[20:29] <maxb> It would probably be more efficient to push xulrunner and firefox in order
[20:30] <maxb> in terms of saving overall buildd time
[20:30] <fta> i do that in the right order, but the builds start in parallel so i can't avoid the dep wait
[20:30] <maxb> ah, there's a soyuz bug open on that
[20:31] <maxb> Oh, no, I misunderstand
[20:31] <fta> i already hit bug 371640 but it's different
[20:31] <maxb> Yes
[20:31] <fta> i worked around that one
[22:06] <fta> maxb, i just filed bug 378828


[02:53] <holstein> pedrucho: what are you trying to do? i dont have guitar pro.. are you trying to add effects?
[05:00] <nthn> anyone have problems when stopping jack with qjackcontrol and it not totally killing jackd on ubuntu studio 14.04?
[07:58] <kourosh> hi
[07:58] <kourosh> i have one question about qtractor
[07:58] <kourosh> can any body help me?
[07:58] <kourosh> ??
[07:59] <cfhowlett> !ask | Akourosh,
[07:59] <cfhowlett> kourosh, if no answer here, ask #opensourcemusicians
[07:59] <kourosh> ok
[08:00] <kourosh> when i open Qtractor it say:
[08:00] <kourosh> Cannot lock down 107335194 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
[08:00] <kourosh> Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/5)(1: Operation not permitted)
[08:00] <kourosh> JackClient::AcquireSelfRealTime error
[08:01] <kourosh> and i import a midi file! bout i have not any sound?
[08:01] <kourosh> i want to have sound on qtractor.
[08:02] <cfhowlett> kourosh, pretty specific error.  if this ONLY happens with qtractor, you should ask that guy specifically for support:   http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/
[08:03] <kourosh> ok thanks
[08:05] <nthn> I took a bold move moving to 14.04 so quick
[08:06] <nthn> I am just going to stick with it, I know it has its bugs
[08:06] <nthn> but it feels fresh
[08:06] <nthn> 12.04 was so solid
[08:07] <cfhowlett> nthn, 14.04.1   is current release ...
[08:07] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will get you thhere
[08:08] <nthn> thats what I am on
[08:10] <nthn> jackd does not hang up properly
[08:10] <nthn> I have to kill -9 its pid
[08:10] <jyx> Channel set
[08:11] <nthn> well been playing around with hydrogen again
[08:12] <nthn> was getting stuck on using my esx1sd sampler with own samples put in
[08:12] <nthn> I forgot to the extent hydrogen lets you warp drums
[08:13] <nthn> been having some ideas to use it as a sampler again for custom samples
[08:13] <cfhowlett> nthn, sounds like #opensourcemusicians        for this discussion
[08:14] <nthn> thank you cfhowlett
[08:14] <nthn> this is mainly for help I imagine
[08:15] <cfhowlett> nthn, "this" meaning #ubuntustudio?  fairly looose rules on multimedia production ... #opensourcemusicians is a bit more focused   IMHO
[08:15] <nthn> cool I am glad you informed
[08:18] <cfhowlett> nthn, happy2help
[08:20] <nthn> yea I meant ubuntustudio
[11:42] <yorwos> hi all , i just upgraded ub.studio 13.10 to 14.04 through the upgrade progress , not clean fresh install , i dont see anything broken atm , is there something i should look to ?
[11:52] <cfhowlett> yorwos, personally, I'd install the xubuntu-restricted-extras and vlc player.  other than that - you're ready to rock!
[12:16] <yorwos> thanx cfl ;)
[12:17] <cfhowlett> yorwos, happy2help


[00:16] <Azelphur> hmm, I used powertop to fix a bunch of bad things to save power
[00:16] <Azelphur> and then when I reboot, it just goes back to being unfixed
[00:16] <Azelphur> :(
[00:16] <ali1234> oh no here we go
[00:16] <ali1234> website project has entered the "chosing a logo" phase
[00:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:17] <ali1234> "I find it much harder to read the new simple one. Irrespective of its size I can't make out at a quick glance what it says. "
[00:17] <ali1234> i bet if i showed you both logos you wouldn't even notice the difference
[00:24] <ali1234> the best part is the logo is a circle and the space it goes in on the website is rectangular
[01:54] <ali1234> is there anything like etherpad for svg documents?
[05:43] <AlanBell> ali1234: doctormo was working on something like that
[06:15] <christel> good morning -uk!
[06:15] <AlanBell> morning
[06:15] <nja> Hello
[06:16] <nja> Been programming since 7
[06:16] <christel> :)
[06:16] <christel> i have been sat in my garden having a quiet cup of coffee since 7! but i decided it was COLD and probably a wise idea to go inside and locate some clothes :)
[06:17] <nja> O_o
[06:18] <christel> :o
[06:18] <nja> I'm adding GameStates :D
[06:18] <nja> Finally I can have a menu screen
[06:19] <nja> For debug and anti-annoyance purposes, once it is done, it goes streight to GameplayState on run.
[06:19] <christel> :D
[06:20] <christel> AlanBell: you're up early! have you got the bbq on? :P
[06:20] <nja> I'm so focused, Spotift just started playing Olly Murs, and I don't car!
[06:20] <nja> e
[06:21] <christel> hahaha
[06:22] <nja> OK, can't take much more.
[06:23] <nja> Why are the charts so BAD!
[06:24] <nja> Time to queue Orcherstral remixes
[06:28] <christel> i am listening to vitamin string quartet, always a good start to the day
[06:28] <christel> :)
[06:31] <nja> All the other "Employees" are on holiday so I'm working solo.  again...
[06:31] <christel> aww
[06:32] <nja> Well, they have to put up with the wrath of my placeholder graphics, so it sorta evens out.  sorta.
[06:34] <nja> MLP: FIM Orchestral Remix :D
[06:34] <christel> hahaha
[06:34]  * christel brohoofs
[06:34]  * nja approves
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> apprhooves?
[06:35] <christel> haha
[06:35] <nja> :P
[06:35] <christel> i must go wake up my men and get them dressed and ready for rugby training :)
[06:35] <nja> Does no one log off on this?
[06:35] <nja> There are 3 of us talking and 106 online.
[06:37] <nja> ?
[06:43] <nja> Wow spotify works with me media keyboard
[06:43] <nja> More productive programming time
[06:55] <diplo> Morning all
[06:55] <nja> moring diplo mat
[07:15] <daubers> Morning
[07:29]  * MartijnVdS watches the "Krautrock" documentary that was on BBC Four last night during the Olympic things
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/bPAh7.png
[07:33] <diplo> heh MartijnVdS
[07:33] <diplo> :P
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/k42fz.jpg
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/DWhYa.png
[07:33] <diplo> Can someone give me some sleep, I am kerknackered
[07:34]  * MartijnVdS hits diplo in the head with a rubber mallet, comedy-style
[07:34] <diplo> Stupid me should have come earlier
[07:34] <nja> @MartijnVdS So true
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> nja: which one? :)
[07:34] <nja> @MartijnVdS All of them :P
[07:34] <diplo> I have one big failing, if i wake up I can't go back off to sleep :/
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> diplo: so.. go to sleep earlier :)
[07:35] <nja> @diplo You get used to it exentually
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> diplo: I only had 6 hours of sleep because some people decided to run some "Olympic Opening Ceremony" until 2am
[07:35] <diplo> I've had my get used to it stage.. bit old now
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> and some insect was buzzing in my ear at 8am
[07:36] <diplo> MartijnVdS: that's what woke me at 7ish a fly :/
[07:36] <nja> OK, I'm on Spotify radio, it just started playing White noise
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> that's dubstep
[07:41] <nja> @MartijnVds ...
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> nja: ?
[08:00] <AlanBell> blue sky and lots of sun \o/
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> Grey skies and cool wind
[08:25]  * diplo hopes traffic is ok for the trip
[08:41] <Dave2> AlanBell, what would be a sensible/non-stupid time for me to try to arrive for?
[08:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:53] <popey> morning all
[08:53] <brobostigon> morning popey
[08:53] <nja> Hi
[08:54] <brobostigon> hi nja
[08:57] <nja> @bribistugon hi
[08:57] <nja> @brobostigon ^
[08:57] <brobostigon> no need for the ', i get highlighted anyway without.
[08:58] <brobostigon> @*
[08:58] <nja> @brobostigon I know
[08:59] <nja> You have no idea how many times I get told that.
[08:59] <brobostigon> it just seems strange.
[09:08] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:13] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm :)
[09:18] <bigcalm> o/
[09:18] <bigcalm> What's happening today?
[09:20] <AlanBell> bbq!!!!
[09:20] <bigcalm> Yay
[09:20] <bigcalm> Send me a sausage?
[09:22] <popey> AlanBell, what time you lighting it?
[09:23] <popey> pondering whether to give the kids lunch and then come over later for bbq tea stuff
[09:24] <popey> i spy AlanBell hanging out
[09:29] <AlanBell> popey: will light it when people are hungry
[09:30] <popey> ok
[09:30] <bigcalm> popey: I'm sure there's a limit to how long you should keep staring before an uncomfortable tension rises
[09:30] <AlanBell> the hangout is cool, working through some big speakers
[09:30] <popey> it times out if you dont wiggle the mouse or type tho
[09:30] <bigcalm> popey: speaking of hanging out, when do you want to discuss things? I'm off out in a couple of hours I think
[09:33]  * Dave2 heads off
[09:33] <Dave2> Should be there in a couple of hours
[09:33] <Dave2> (Trains to Farnham are awesome.)
[09:34] <diplo> AlanBell: Just heading off myself, is their a Tescos or something close by yours? not got a cool box and worried about leaving meat in hot car
[09:35] <bigcalm> Wish I were on my way to Farnham
[09:36] <christel> the boy wonder is making skewers
[09:36] <christel> it is rather cute, he attempted to make pork and strawberry ones
[09:36] <bigcalm> christel: sounds like he's weponising the meat
[09:36] <christel> i wasn't entirely convinced mind
[09:36] <bigcalm> Aww
[09:37] <christel> diplo: there is a tesco extra/metro thingie up the road from alan, and a sainsburys in town and one on the bypass (water lane)
[09:37] <christel> also a waitrose in town proper
[09:37] <christel> (i've no idea where you're coming from mind so i dont know which might be Best for you)
[09:37] <diplo> Easy to find for me
[09:37] <diplo> near bath :)
[09:37] <christel> aah
[09:38] <diplo> popey: Found the V+ box etc btw so it will be coming along with ,e
[09:38] <diplo> me*
[09:38] <popey> yay, thanks!
[09:38] <christel> ok, then you probably will come down the route we take when we've been to see the inlaws in bristol, so as you come down to the Magical Roundabouts you'll see a sign for sainsburys waterlane, that might be the easiest one :)
[09:38] <popey> christel, you going?
[09:38] <christel> popey: aye!
[09:38] <diplo> kk thanks christel
[09:39] <popey> i have the lug.org.uk server here
[09:39] <popey> need to dd zeroes on it
[09:39] <christel> :)
[09:39] <AlanBell> diplo: there are shops in Farnham
[09:39] <popey> AlanBell, do you have a screen i can plug the lug.org.uk box into so i can dban / dd zeroes on it?
[09:39] <christel> ok! i must go investigate these magical skewers of davids!
[09:39] <AlanBell> popey: sure
[09:39] <popey> cool, ta
[09:42] <diplo> Right, shutting down and leaving once fueled up.. Cya soon!
[09:43] <popey> o/
[09:47] <bigcalm> What's that a quote from?
[10:18] <AlanBell> anyone want to bring some stickers or something for name badges?
[10:21] <jacobw> 'hi, my name is "bigcalm"'
[10:22] <bigcalm> jacobw: you should do that, not many people know me :)
[10:23] <Laney> nah, go for sabdfl instead
[10:23] <brobostigon> lol
[10:24] <Laney> . o O ( or rms )
[10:24] <brobostigon> or DC.
[10:25] <brobostigon> and then get lynched.
[10:29] <AlanBell> christel: I am filling up the paddling pool
[10:30] <AlanBell> might want to bring some spare clothes for the little chap
[10:30] <bigcalm> (and yourself)
[10:31] <bigcalm> I'd be there witha  water pistol
[10:31] <jacobw> hehe
[10:31] <jacobw> i'd be horrified if i was mistaken for rms
[10:33] <bigcalm> popey: what was your quit message a quote from?
[10:34] <popey> :)
[10:34] <popey> TMWRANJ
[10:35] <bigcalm> Blimey
[10:35] <bigcalm> Blast from the past
[10:36] <popey> will cooke (ubuntu tv) has "now go do your hobbies!" as his
[10:36] <popey> which inspired me
[10:37] <AlanBell> popey: paddling pool is being filled up
[10:37] <Myrtti> AlanBell: marking tape
[10:37] <Myrtti> masking even
[10:38] <Myrtti> we're watching the opening ceremony off the iplayer and I want to shoot the commenter and we're not even to the Queens enterance on the show
[10:38] <popey> heh
[10:38] <popey> my kids are in the pool already!
[10:39] <AlanBell> great
[10:39] <jacobw> i haven't seen the queens entrance
[10:40] <popey> wakka wakka
[10:41] <bigcalm> I haven't seen any of the thing from last night
[10:41] <bigcalm> But I read 4+ hours of tweets when I went to bed
[10:41] <bigcalm> Sounds like the weirdest thing
[10:41] <Myrtti> well we tried very hard to watch it live on the telly but then things (but not we) went south
[10:42] <bigcalm> Myrtti: :(
[10:42] <bigcalm> All technology sucks when it goes kaput
[10:48] <jacobw> zdf.de live worked very well for me
[10:49] <jacobw> the german voiceover was helpful :)
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> BBC One HD was nice on freesat :)
[10:55] <christel> AlanBell: \o/
[10:59] <bigcalm> Time to go out for the day and get some MEAT!
[10:59] <bigcalm> Have a fun BBQ you crazy kids :)
[11:04] <Flashtek> Anyone in here familiar with netboot installs ?
[11:07] <jacobw> i'm trying cinnamon
[11:08] <jacobw> omgwhyhaven'tdonethisbefore
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> because you're not American, and don't need to put it on ALL the things?
[11:14] <jacobw> :)
[11:15] <jacobw> er, i meant cinnamon.linuxmint.com ;)
[11:22] <jacobw> Flashtek: are you using the netinstall iso?
[11:23] <Flashtek> jacobw: trying to get the bloody thing to boot from network at the mo
[11:24] <Flashtek> downloaded the netinstall.tar.gz, unpacked, setup dnsmasq and tftp server...
[11:24] <Flashtek> ensured it's all fired up
[11:24] <Flashtek> and it doesn't boot.
[11:24] <Flashtek> and now my touch pad decided to stop working... ffs...
[11:28] <Flashtek> ha... it's back again now
[11:28] <Flashtek> jump to terminal and back
[11:29] <Flashtek> jacobw: do i need to do anything "special" ?
[12:26]  * popey packs up to head over to AlanBells
[12:45] <SuperEngineer> Wishing you all a great time at the UUK BBQ - wish I was there :()  [nom nom]
[12:46] <Pendulum> SuperEngineer: I think they're doing a google+ hangout
[12:46] <SuperEngineer> oooo -do you know what to search for - or is itt obvious
[12:46]  * SuperEngineer hunts g=
[12:46] <SuperEngineer> g+
[12:49] <SuperEngineer> that was *too* easy... fired up g+ & latest update points straight there... ;)
[13:53] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c5950ebd288a5d757bf7a0f82691c5f13af2265a?authuser=0&hl=en# want to join the BBQ?
[14:04] <Monotoko> heh: http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564575_482307075115263_75517501_n.jpg
[14:10] <Myrtti> Monotoko: https://plus.google.com/107063922467380085691/posts/Nf8pdHpCveM
[15:10] <Monotoko> Myrtti, point taken :P
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> Useful short review of the latest alpha from The H Open: http://tinyurl.com/Quantal-alpha3
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> damn netbook can't cope with google hangouts - runs out of memeory... tempted to swear here
[16:21] <SuperEngineer> to whoever said "hello" when I joined BBQ hangout on G+ ... hello!  Sorry - G+ hangout eventuslly hung with "out of memory" :(
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> damn netbook!
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> damn desktop pooter not having a webcam!
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> damn!
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> :|
[16:24] <SuperEngineer> [yeah, I was the one with name B#### B####
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> However -i don't give up easily - time for one more attempt
[16:27] <jussi> bbq hang ot was fun :D
[16:27] <jussi> Elodi was really awake and happy, which helped :D
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> jussi: thanks - that makes me feel sooo much better... not!!!!
[16:32] <SuperEngineer> weeeee - made it!
[16:33] <Pendulum> SuperEngineer: I'm the other hangout person who isn't actually at the BBQ
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> Hi Pendulum
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> nice to see another "ghost"
[16:34] <Pendulum> :)
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> ooo - a black pussycat just crossed my virtual path
[16:48] <ali1234> is it a good idea to use SQL enum?
[16:48] <ali1234> are they widely supported? any possible problems?
[16:52] <nja> Hi
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - v. impolite [perhaps they're too drunk].  I'm just too polite to mention name here!
[16:53] <Pendulum> SuperEngineer: we weren't hearing you at all
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> unlike drunk BBQ
[16:54] <Pendulum> and no video
[16:55]  * SuperEngineer goesback to watching grand prix
[16:57]  * penguin42 just returned from the Manchester Mini-maker faire - nice to see some people I hadn't seen for a while, and a few faces I'd not seen in the flesh
[16:57] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: sorry, it was just loads of banging noises
[16:58] <AlanBell> and no picture
[16:59] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: that's why I was asking if anyone had me on voice [or vid] b4 cutoff - I'll let you off - this time ;)
[16:59] <AlanBell> :)
[17:00] <AlanBell> do you have a microphone that isn't on your keyboard?
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> it was netbook with all built in - desktop has no webcam [RIP]
[17:02] <AlanBell> awww
[17:02] <AlanBell> that is so sad
[17:02] <AlanBell> :(
[17:02] <AlanBell> (says christel)
[17:02] <AlanBell> ish
[17:02] <AlanBell> or alan.. i dunno
[17:03] <AlanBell> :D
[17:03] <AlanBell> czajkowski is a rubbish slave :(
[17:03] <nja> @AlanBell Hi!
[17:04] <bigcalm> Everybody having fun at the BBQ?
[17:04] <Pendulum> bigcalm: come join the hangout!
[17:04] <AlanBell> yesss#
[17:04] <nja> CAn I have the link?
[17:04] <AlanBell> no
[17:04] <Pendulum> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c5950ebd288a5d757bf7a0f82691c5f13af2265a?authuser=0&hl=en#
[17:04] <AlanBell> lol,
[17:04] <nja> There's a hangout :D
[17:04] <nja> :D
[17:05] <bigcalm> Pendulum: working :(
[17:05] <Pendulum> bigcalm: so put it in the background
[17:06] <ali1234> penguin42: did you see a guy with a robot arm and 3d printer?
[17:06] <ali1234> (at the maker fair)
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> Lesson from attempt at G+ BBQ hangout using netbook...
[17:08] <penguin42> ali1234: Erm well there are a few 3d printers
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> G+ hangouts use enough memory to kill/swamp netbook usage, Pigin [& Empathy] don't memory]
[17:08] <penguin42> ali1234: I don't specificalyl remember a robot arm - there were various robots
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> ...don't swamp memory
[17:10] <SuperEngineer> ...are you listening Mr. Google???
[17:11] <nja> I'm in
[17:11] <nja> I'm just not going to talk, I'm already in another call.
[17:11] <ali1234> penguin42: this one is life size https://plus.google.com/113908610041457856109/posts/Gcf46MP1ci9
[17:13] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm no, didn't notice that one to be honest
[17:13] <ali1234> well, i dunno if he was even there... but he does go to these things from time to time :)
[19:11] <diplo> AlanBell: thanks again for the BBQ, was nice to meet you all.
[19:11] <diplo> Evening all
[19:13] <Pendulum> hiya diplo
[19:14] <popey> diplo, yeah, was lovely to meet you
[19:16] <diplo> Exhausted now :) should have gone home earlier last night :D
[19:16] <diplo> Squash and sit down and watch qualifying i think now
[19:31] <ali1234> can i say "created DATETIME DEFAULT Now() NOT NULL,"
[19:31] <ali1234> or will that just make the default whenever the table was created?
[19:34] <ali1234> no, i can't
[19:35] <ali1234> though it's a commonly requested feature apparently :)
[19:39] <ali1234> ok i'm super confused now :(
[19:40] <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/WhEbKpu4
[20:19] <czajkowski> Aloha
[20:19] <popey> pip pip
[20:19] <popey> laptop okay?
[20:21] <czajkowski> narp
[20:21] <czajkowski> wouldnt clone to the size of the other hard drive
[20:21] <czajkowski> tis ok
[20:22] <czajkowski> am probably gonna buy a desktop for main work
[20:22] <czajkowski> though jon wants me to take mac mini and use that
[20:23]  * MartijnVdS watches BBC Olympics 16
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> waiting for audience shots :)
[20:23] <popey> czajkowski, it can be done :(
[20:24] <czajkowski> popey: thank yuo for the help
[20:24] <czajkowski> and it was fun :)
[20:24] <popey> np
[20:25] <czajkowski> kids tired ?
[20:26] <popey> yeah, straight to bed
[20:29] <czajkowski> heh
[20:29] <czajkowski> diplo: enjoy the day ?
[20:30] <czajkowski> nice to put the face to the nick
[20:34] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I'm glad you had better weather than we're now getting (has been raining for the last 3 hours)
[20:34] <diplo> hi czajkowski, yeah enjoyed myself thank you and was nice to meet you all.
[20:35] <diplo> brb
[21:30] <ali1234> was someone complaining about high i/o latency with USB the other day?
[21:31] <ali1234> oimon?
[21:33] <popey> i think so
[21:33] <ali1234> oimon: what you can do about it is help me out on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/770258
[21:36] <bigcalm> Yoohoo
[21:40] <bigcalm> I have that effect on people
[21:54] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:02] <christel> norway > the uk in the olympics
[22:02] <christel> that is all
[22:02] <christel> \o/
[22:03] <Pendulum> haha
[22:03] <christel> :D
[22:04]  * christel snogs Pendulum
[22:04] <Pendulum> \o/
[22:04] <Pendulum> I didn't know that was allowed in here ;-)
[22:05] <christel> \o/
[22:05] <christel> it probably isnt! ;)
[22:05] <Pendulum> not that anyone seems to care at the moment :P
[22:06]  * dwatkins raises an eyebrow and grins
[22:07] <dwatkins> no-one saw you, I'm sure it's fine...
[22:07] <christel> i am on top of a roof
[22:07] <christel> surrounded by people on drugs
[22:07] <christel> it is quite scary
[22:08] <Pendulum> christel: just as long as no one thinks you're a radiator
[22:08] <christel> lol
[22:08] <christel> you're my favourite (hottest) radiator
[22:08] <christel> i told alan the radiator story
[22:08] <Pendulum> Did you tell him how badly we broke Pascal?
[22:08] <christel> yes :D
[22:08]  * christel giggles
[22:08] <Pendulum> I'll warm you up anytime :P
[22:08] <christel> he no longer thinks of me as sweet and innocent i am sure
[22:08] <christel> yay :D
[22:09] <Pendulum> haha
[22:12] <christel> AlanBell: i have decided that your non-mint mint was lemon balm
[22:13] <Pendulum> there was non-mint mint?
[22:13] <christel> yes!
[22:13] <christel> in the pimms!
[22:14] <Pendulum> could it have been lemon mint? (which is different from lemon balm)
[22:15] <christel> oo maybe
[22:17] <Pendulum> too many types of mint
[22:17] <christel> mmm
[22:28] <Dave2> it was lemon balm
[22:28] <Dave2> I'm pretty sure
[22:28] <Dave2> Because I knew what it was, I just couldn't remember its name
 Did you tell him how badly we broke Pascal? # compiled as FORTRAN, obviously.
[22:29] <AlanBell> it is edible apparently so that is OK
[22:30] <Myrtti> we still haven't heard from the mechanic what the verdict about the car is :-(
[22:31] <christel> Myrtti: :(
[22:31] <Pendulum> Myrtti: oh dear :(
[22:31] <christel> Myrtti: you missed out on my amazing quails egg skewers!
[22:31] <christel> they were CUTE
[22:32] <Dave2> you forgot the bacon
[22:32] <christel> (because they were like tiny eg..wait.. they normally are.. nevermind)
[22:32] <christel> mmm bacon \o/
[22:32] <AlanBell> they were lovely!
[22:32] <Dave2> tiny :(
[22:32] <Pendulum> christel: did you take a pic? I didn't get to see them either :(
[22:32] <Myrtti> christel: you missed out on my marinated courgettes and mushrooms filled with cream cheese, wrapped in bacon
[22:32] <Dave2> I sense a theme here
[22:32] <Dave2> Of bacon.
[22:32] <Dave2> I would be having bacon tomorrow morning, but I think I've had enough meat for now
[22:32] <christel> oh god yes, lets reschedule the bbq for tomorrow \o/
[22:32]  * AlanBell failed to take a picture of the awesome food /o\
[22:33] <christel> Pendulum: oh no :(
[22:33] <christel> i made way too much random food :x
[22:33] <Myrtti> AlanBell: I even packed a camera just for that
[22:33] <Dave2> They looked like quail's eggs
[22:33] <Dave2> wrapped in bacon
[22:33] <christel> hehe
[22:33] <AlanBell> Myrtti: so sorry you couldn't make it
[22:33] <christel> yeah, would have been fab to see you!
[22:33] <Myrtti> as much as I love you, I'm more sorry about the possible 1000+ mechanics bill
[22:34] <christel> mmthat sucks a bit
[22:34] <Myrtti> s/1000+/£1000+/
[22:34] <Myrtti> some predictions have been at 1500
[22:34] <Myrtti> shall see what happens
[22:35] <Dave2> ow
[22:35] <christel> do you know what broke?
[22:36] <penguin42> the one time I feel less sorry about the cost of train fares is when I hear peoples car bill stories
[22:36] <christel> hehe
[22:37] <Myrtti> no not yet, the guys from the garage came in to pick it up, added water in and it leaked immediately, they said they have to fix that first to see if it's just some pipe or something that's broke, after that if it doesn't fix the problem, basically (apparently) the whole car needs to be taken apart into atoms to see if (both) headgaskets are gone
[22:37] <christel> 13
[22:38] <christel> that sounds a bit sucky/potentially rubbish :(
[22:54] <mattt> Myrtti: i blew a headgasket while driving up north a few years ago
[22:54] <mattt> i just left the car there and had a guy from the AA help me get it destroyed
[22:54] <christel> did diplo make it home?
[23:07] <Myrtti> mattt: torched it?
[23:07] <Myrtti> :-P
[23:08] <Myrtti> no, don't tell
[23:08] <penguin42> let it get nicked?
[23:11] <Pendulum> christel: he's been back on IRC so I assume so
[23:12] <Pendulum> Myrtti: ouch (re: car)
[23:13] <mattt> Myrtti: nah, the AA man literally took the car to the scrap for me and sent me a cheque a week later :)