[03:05] <scottb> I just did an apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade on my Saucy box, rebooted and desktop doesn't load up
[03:05] <scottb>  anyone else see that problem
[03:08] <scottb> its a bit odd, I see crashes that tell can't be reported due to obsolete packages installed -- unity, compiz packages, dbus packages etc, but apt thinks things are at the latest version
[03:08] <wilee-nilee> scottb, You install proprietary graphics per chance and get a kernel upgrade?
[03:12] <scottb> wilee-nilee, no proprietary graphics -- older Intel chipset uses i915 driver
[03:13] <scottb> wilee-nilee, kernel version is 3.11.0-12-generic
[03:14] <scottb> wilee-nilee, kernel version is 3.11.0-12-generic -- x86_64
[03:15] <wilee-nilee> scottb, You get any held packages in the apt-get commands?
[03:17] <scottb> wilee-nilee, no -- apt-get update finishes fine, apt-get upgrade reports nothing to do, no errors
[03:19] <wilee-nilee> scottb, I would try the previous kernel from grub, might be a bad kernel was it in the upgrade?
[03:47] <scottb> wilee-nilee, none of the kernels lets the desktop come up
[03:50] <scottb> wilee-nilee, the window manager isn't starting
[03:50] <scottb> wilee-nilee, ctrl+alt+t gives me a terminal with no window decorations
[03:57] <wilee-nilee> scottb, Are you getting to the desktop but are missing the panels?
[03:58] <scottb> wilee-nilee, get to the login screen, login, then the screen is blank
[03:59] <scottb> ctrl+alt+t gives me a terminal, try running unity
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> scottb, but the backdrop is there, and you can open a terminal with ctrl-alt-t?
[03:59] <scottb> unity crashes, get apport window, which eventually gives me a chrome instance
[04:00] <wilee-nilee> not sure really
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> its still in development I would just reinstall it if it were me, its not for regular use as of yet
[04:01] <scottb> wilee-nilee, no backdrop
[04:01] <scottb> wilee-nilee, yup, just wondered if anyone had seen that problem
[04:01] <wilee-nilee> You could try a daily and see if it is the same
[04:02] <scottb> I'll just reboot into my 13.04 instance, and grab the daily and reinstall
[04:02] <scottb> wilee-nilee, thanks for trying :), its midnight here, off to bed now
[04:03] <wilee-nilee> sleep well
[04:30] <dariusc93> do anyone know if saucy daily build ever changed or is it stuck at the final beta build?
[06:14] <icmpv6> hi
[06:14] <icmpv6> ubuntu 13.10 final beta, screen flashes bright on startup before desktop is shown. how do i remove that
[06:17] <NuSuey> is there no way how to get the fans be quiet - on the open source video drivers, with the hybrid video card? :o gets so loud :/
[06:18] <icmpv6> louder than the club?
[06:19] <NuSuey> what club :P
[06:32] <icmpv6> 50 cent-in da club
[06:36] <Guest3903> someone around who could help me with a ubiquity issue?
[06:37] <Guest3903> this is the issue i'm facing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1238446
[06:37] <icmpv6> nope
[07:33] <floryn90> hi everyone
[07:33] <floryn90> will be a rc release of saucy ?
[07:34] <floryn90> !roadmap
[08:09] <Ian_Corne> don't think they do RC's anymore
[08:13] <psalden> hey guys there's a .crash file in /var/crash that closely relates to a suspend/resume bug I'm experiencing; I think I accidentally clicked away the report dialog when it first came up, is there any way to bring it back or report the bug otherwise?
[08:25] <Rory> Is it safe/ready to use fglrx in Saucy yet?
[08:35] <psalden> apparently I can just apport-bug <crash>, anyway thank you
[10:57] <BluesKaj_> Hey folks
[11:08] <Rory> Hello BluesKaj_
[11:09] <BluesKaj_> hi Rory
[11:32] <Caelum> Hello, in saucy I can't seem to turn off screen locking, I disabled it in sysprefs and in gconf-editor, but it still locks on screen sleep
[11:35] <Caelum> I am using cinnamon btw
[11:53] <icmpv6> install caffeine
[12:00] <bazhang> !behelpful | icmpv6
[12:01] <icmpv6> do you know what caffeine is?
[12:03] <icmpv6> with your tiny brain, i dont think so
[12:05] <Caelum> caffeine looks great for something like an htpc
[12:06] <Caelum> in my case, this worked: gsettings set org.cinnamon.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false
[12:06] <Caelum> now, I just need to figure out why unattended-upgrade chokes
[12:07] <Caelum> worked fine before I dist-upgraded to saucy
[12:14] <Caelum> anyone have unattended upgrades working in saucy?
[13:56] <TOM_otakux> HI, a question about plasma-nm
[13:57] <Rory> where?
[13:57] <TOM_otakux> when i using the ubuntu 13.10 and update hte neworkmanagement to the plasma-nm
[13:57] <TOM_otakux> the widget is gone, so does the whole settings
[13:58] <TOM_otakux> *the
[13:59] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux.  that's a bug in 13.10 , update and upgrade and the plasma-nm should reinstall
[13:59] <TOM_otakux> so is that fixed ?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. then you can find it by typing net in the panel widget search
[14:00] <BluesKaj> yeah > I just fixed mine
[14:00] <TOM_otakux> because i have tried just about 30 minutes before
[14:01] <BluesKaj> you were about 5mins too early ,before it was uploaded
[14:01] <TOM_otakux> thanks, i will trylater. by the way, i am chinese user :)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. using a vpn ?
[14:02] <TOM_otakux> no, ADSL
[14:02] <TOM_otakux> so the change version is in plasma-nm or ?
[14:03] <Rory> I have seen other pepople have this issue with KDE in Saucy recently
[14:03] <BluesKaj> vpn is remote server some chinese use to get around the gov't bolcked websites and services available in china
[14:03] <TOM_otakux> yeah, using the dist-upgrade will update the networkmanagement and will cause this problem
[14:04] <TOM_otakux> no, i am not china, i live in taiwan :)
[14:04] <TOM_otakux> i am taiwanese
[14:05] <TOM_otakux> and there also a little weird about system settings
[14:05] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. cool ,my son and my daughter both taught english in Taipei a few yrs back ,and my son's wide is from there
[14:05] <TOM_otakux> in my notebook, the system settings became very narrow
[14:05] <BluesKaj> err wife :)
[14:06] <TOM_otakux> WOOO
[14:06] <TOM_otakux> the item of systemsetting is very narrow like the kde 4.8or 4.7
[14:07] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. narrow , do you mean the screen or the window ?
[14:08] <TOM_otakux> maybe i could post a picture for you :)
[14:09] <anon> hello
[14:09] <Rory> Hello anon
[14:09] <anon> I installed ubuntu 13.10 dual booting with windows 8 on UEFI. After the installation windows 8 works but ubuntu complains that the file /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi is missing or corrupt. Sure enough, all I have in /boot is the standard old grub files and nothing `*efi*`. How can I solve this? boot-repair doesn't help.
[14:09] <thiebaude> hey anon
[14:10] <Rory> !efi | anon have you read this info?
[14:10] <anon> BTW I first installed everything in `/` then I reinstalled and created an EFI boot partition and `/`. Still the same, does not work.
[14:10] <thiebaude> anon, probably have to disable secure boot, and I dont know how to do that
[14:10] <TOM_otakux> i know the efi about grub install is not easy :)
[14:10] <anon> thiebaude, I already tried disabling secure boot, it still does not work.
[14:11] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[14:11] <anon> Rory, Of course I did
[14:11] <anon> Hm
[14:12] <anon> I might have missed something
[14:13] <TOM_otakux> this is the image that the weird systemsettings
[14:13] <TOM_otakux> http://i.imgur.com/lQSqd5w.png
[14:13] <TOM_otakux> in 13.04, it normal.
[14:13] <anon> It is strongly recommended to have only 1 EFI partition per disk.
[14:14] <anon> My notebook came with two.
[14:14] <TOM_otakux> although that will not cause any feature weird, but it ugly :)
[14:20] <TOM_otakux> thanks for helping me about that problem!!!
[14:21] <TOM_otakux> the widget of network is complete different WOOO
[14:21] <TOM_otakux> and i found the ubuntu update server in tw still not update :)
[14:22] <BluesKaj> u, topgrade
[14:23] <BluesKaj> err upgrade
[14:23] <TOM_otakux> WOO, i saw infiniteband
[14:24] <TOM_otakux> there are a little problem, the setting of the screen did not has icon
[14:25] <anon> If I already created an EFI partition when I installed ubuntu, should I delete it and reinstall?
[14:25] <anon> EFI boot partition
[14:27] <TOM_otakux> is the narrow systemsettings is a bug or just the screen resolution is not enough?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. probly the screen resolution , but I haven't seen that before ...are you on a netbook ?
[14:29] <TOM_otakux> a normal notebook XD not screen resulation is 1366x768
[14:30] <TOM_otakux> a normal notebook XD. screen resulation is 1366x768
[14:42] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux.tom it could be the system settings/compiz if you're on unity , dunno for sure I'm a KDE user
[14:43] <TOM_otakux> yeah, my kde is install by kubuntu, none unity install before
[14:44] <TOM_otakux> and i am upgrade by 13.04 by using the do-release-upgrade
[14:45] <TOM_otakux> *from 13.04
[14:45] <BluesKaj> I have to reboot ...brb
[14:50] <TOM_otakux> but that is weird, in 13.04 the systemsettings is normal. only happened when in 13.10
[14:52] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. check your graphics driver
[14:52] <TOM_otakux> nvidia 331.13  :)
[14:52] <TOM_otakux> the newest driver in nvidia XD
[14:53] <BluesKaj> so you have the xedgers ppa , it';s experimental , perhaps not suited to your notebook graphics
[14:54] <BluesKaj> you might be better off with the 325 or the 319
[14:54] <TOM_otakux> before i upgrade to 331, i am using the 319.60
[14:55] <TOM_otakux> and i remember still happened that problem. by the way, i prefer using the nvidia installer.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> what about browsing etc , do you have full scrn ?
[14:56] <TOM_otakux> the xedgers ppa is when the nvidia installer not working, otherwise, is will be disabled.
[14:56] <TOM_otakux> full screen?
[14:56] <TOM_otakux> systemsettings?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> the nvidia installer doesn't show the 331 driver
[14:57] <TOM_otakux> that is beta driver,
[14:57] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. try your broswer full screen
[14:58] <TOM_otakux> could i use chrome to try ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> anything
[15:00] <TOM_otakux> i think is normal
[15:00] <sandman> how do I stop x server for 13.10? sudo kill -9 pid from terminal just restarts x
[15:00] <TOM_otakux> i am using the kdm :)
[15:01] <TOM_otakux> and i found the kdm package did not create the link in /etc/init.d
[15:01] <TOM_otakux> using firefox or chrome is seems nothing change
[15:02] <BluesKaj> TOM_otakux. lightdm for the login, but kwin runs the desktop
[15:03] <TOM_otakux> i am still using the kdm :))
[15:03] <BluesKaj> i think it's the nvidia driver , not working correctly
[15:04] <BluesKaj> newest is best , especially experimental like 331
[15:04] <BluesKaj> not best !
[15:05] <TOM_otakux> OK, i think i downgrade to 319.60 :)
[15:09] <TOM_otakux> rebooting...
[15:11] <TOM_otakux> with nvidia 319.60, still is narrow
[15:20] <sandman> can anybody please tell me how I can stop x server? or is that not possible?
[15:21] <TOM_otakux> sudo service lightdm stop
[15:23] <sandman> TOM_otakux, that will not stop x server. Because if run sudo X -verbose 6 > ~/xlog.txt 2>&1 from console I get the message that x is still running
[15:25] <sandman> I  need to figure out what kind of HorizSync/VertRefresh and resolution for my TV
[15:26] <sandman> I'm hoping that this command will produce that: sudo X -verbose 6 > ~/xlog.txt 2>&1
[15:27] <sandman> but all x related must stop running first
[15:31] <anon> It still doesn't work. It complains about grubx64.efi not existing or being corrupt.
[15:32] <anon> Does anyone have any ideas?
[15:37] <anon> Here is my bootinfo http://paste.ubuntu.com/6222906/
[18:01] <Rallias> How do I make it so reboot is not an alias for shutdown -h now?
[18:02] <Rallias> (effectively)
[18:05] <trism> Rallias: reboot -f
[18:06] <Rallias> trism, Still turns into shutdown -h
[18:09] <BluesKaj> Rallias. just use reboot
[18:10] <Rallias> BluesKaj, That's the problem...
[18:10] <TJ-> Rallias: Is this on a full desktop install, a server, something else?
[18:10] <Rallias> Whenever I use the reboot command or shutdown -r now it always powers off...
[18:10] <Rallias> TJ-, Server.
[18:10] <TJ-> Rallias: That sounds like an ACPI issue
[18:13] <Rallias> *sigh* This is what I get for using bleeding edge hardware with new software :(
[18:13] <TJ-> Rallias: Check /var/log/dmesg for indications of issues with ACPI functions
[18:33] <eagles0513875_> hey guys does saucy work with hardware which has a uefi bios?
[18:33] <TJ-> eagles0513875: Yes, as long as any Secure boot is turned off. Last I heard we're still waiting for Microsoft to sign the latest boot loader shim
[18:34] <ikonia> stap in for a LONG wait
[18:34] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: what do you mean
[18:35] <eagles0513875_> ahh i think i figured it out :)
[18:35] <ikonia> I wouldn't expect that to happen any time in the short/medium term
[18:35] <TJ-> It's expected any day.. certainly prior to release
[18:35] <eagles0513875_> TJ-:  the odd thing with 13.04 even if i switch to tompatible mode and switch to an option which is supposed to provide compatibility for os's that dont support uefi i cant install raring or im having tons of issues wiht booting it so im going to try the saucy daily :)
[18:36] <TJ-> eagles0513875: There are a lot of very buggy UEFIs out there, you may be victim to one
[18:36] <ikonia> TJ-: lets see.......
[18:37] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: is it in legacy bios mode or uefi mode
[18:37] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: you'll need to clarify that
[18:37] <eagles0513875_> legacy bios mode
[18:37] <eagles0513875_> its a bit off topic for this channel though
[18:37] <eagles0513875_> would be better for kubuntu as its raring not saucy
[18:37] <eagles0513875_> and there is that very annoying issue with ubiquity or what ever the installer is that i think will never be fixed
[18:38] <eagles0513875_> when installing off a usb drive grub installs to the MBR of the pen drive by default instead of that of the hard disk
[18:38] <ikonia> ah, you're referencing rarey, sorry
[18:38] <eagles0513875_> the work around for that seems to be to take out the pen drive before installign grub
[18:38] <eagles0513875_> yep i think my hardware is just too new for raring i could be wrong though
[18:39] <ikonia> not really
[18:39] <ikonia> just set your grub map file
[18:39] <ikonia> it will only install to the pendrive if a.) your pendrive defaults to /dev/sda b.) AND you select the default location
[18:39] <ikonia> I doubt very much the hardware is too "new"
[18:40] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: isnt that a bug though isnt there some sort of check that can be added to where it checks the sda to see if its a usb device?
[18:40] <ikonia> not really,
[18:40] <ikonia> it relies on you checking your config
[18:40] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: first time trying out linux on this laptop so i dunno if i am a victim or not
[18:40] <ikonia> if you know your usb stick defaults in the bios to /dev/sda - then it's up to you not to accept the default
[18:43] <bjsnider> eagles0513875_, i don't have any issues booting raring on efi
[18:43] <bjsnider> i created a gpt partition and did things by the book and whatnot
[18:44] <eagles0513875_> bjsnider: odd
[18:45] <eagles0513875_> all i get during boot is the splash screen of toshiba and then black screen and nothign else
[18:45] <bjsnider> i'm not dual-booting or anything though
[18:45] <eagles0513875_> im not either
[18:46] <eagles0513875_> bjsnider: did you change any settings in the bios
[18:46] <bjsnider> in my setup i can actually see the ubuntu partition which is actually called ubuntu in the efi bios
[18:46] <ikonia> I wouldn't worry about other peoples settings
[18:46] <eagles0513875_> ill let you guys know how i fair with saucy
[18:46] <eagles0513875_> bbl
[19:24] <vixxo> hi guys, is It true that starting from 13.10 Amazon search can't be removed ?
[19:26] <IdleOne> where did you hear that?
[19:28] <TJ-> Well, unity-lens-shopping has become a virtual package with its functionality absorbed into unity-scope-home,  which depends on unity-scopes-master-default which contains several scopes but non obviously shopping.
[19:28] <vixxo> read that from multiple blogs: unity-lens-shopping is not removable anymore the package does not exist, disabling scopes disable even google, google drive and all the other one
[19:32] <vixxo> TJ-, sounds weird anyway....
[19:33] <TJ-> vixxo: I'm trying to make sense of the source-code but it isn't straightforward
[19:34] <vixxo> TJ-, the sense is quite clear and It's a really limitating choice Canonical this time has gone bad
[19:36] <BluesKaj_> limitating...another new word in the digital world :)
[19:38] <vixxo> BluesKaj_, ... some sarcasm ?
[19:39] <TJ-> Here it is. There's a set of scopes called more_suggestions-*.scope and its in these as "/usr/share/unity/scopes/more_suggestions.scope" so far as I can tell
[19:40] <eagles0513875_> hey BluesKaj_
[19:40] <BluesKaj_> vixxo. you'll have to forgive me , but I can't help myself ...the english language is being corrupted all around me and it bothers me no end.
[19:40] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: woudl be great to get this laptop running kubuntu and virtualize windows
[19:40] <TJ-> I don't like it, the way it has been made as difficult as can be to remove it... probably a direct reaction to people removing the package in Raring
[19:40] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: doign a network upgrade to saucy
[19:41] <TJ-> I've only used Saucy for servers... rolls over to the kvm to check the lens source
[19:42] <BluesKaj_> eagles0513875_. would it be easier to just wipe the drive clean, then start anew?
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: not reallly as this is a brand new install
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> reformatted and everything with raring installed
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> all i did was a base ubuntu install
[19:42] <BluesKaj_> still have w8 on it ?
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> then installed kubuntu-desktop
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: no
[19:42] <BluesKaj_> ok
[19:42] <eagles0513875_> i burned the recovery partition to dvd yesterday
[19:43] <vixxo> BluesKaj_, limiting you are right, haven't seen the error. I Hope you can survive to this
[19:43] <eagles0513875_> i am wondering though if the hardware is a bit way to new for it
[19:43] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: i stick with LTS for servers and all my vps's are on 12.04
[19:43] <BluesKaj_> vixxo. not to worry , I'm just an old grump
[19:43] <BluesKaj_> eagles0513875_. can attest to that :)
[19:43] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: how so
[19:44] <eagles0513875_> this laptop has a 4th gen haswell i in it which is fairly recent
[19:44] <eagles0513875_> ill know in about 11 min if saucy will work otherwise i will need to go back to windows but at least win 7
[19:44] <BluesKaj_> could be HW , but unlikely , eagles0513875_
[19:44] <trism> vixxo: you can disable them it seems: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Lenses disabled-scopes ['more_suggestions-amazon.scope', 'more_suggestions-skimlinks.scope', 'more_suggestions-u1ms.scope'];
[19:45] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: the scree at one point after it gets past grub will flash then go black
[19:45] <trism> vixxo: that seems to get rid of the More Suggestions stuff, you can add any other scopes there you don't want to use
[19:45] <BluesKaj_> do youse a logo of any kind ?
[19:45] <BluesKaj_> you see
[19:45] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_:  i wonder if its could be potentially a graphics driver issue or something with the intel chipset i have
[19:45] <vixxo> thanks trism
[19:45] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: you mean login or kubuntu logo
[19:45] <BluesKaj_> no like nvidia or ...
[19:46] <TJ-> eagles0513875: I use 13.10 for apache 2.4 and forward-secrecy
[19:46] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: no its an intel chipset and video
[19:46] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: ahh nice :)
[19:47] <BluesKaj_> ouch , intel graphics
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> im using mpm-event on 2.2 on 12.04
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: could that be the cause right there?
[19:47] <TJ-> eagles0513875: Has it got openssh-server installed? can you remote into it? watch the logs 'live' with "tail -f" maybe
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: ? what do you mean the laptop
[19:47] <TJ-> Whatever has the problem
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> i have it with me right next to me but its doign a network upgrade to saucy atm
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> yes i have it right next to me
[19:47] <BluesKaj_> it's possible eagles0513875_ , can't be certain
[19:47] <eagles0513875_> i got into recovery via grub and got it to mount thefile system and network
[19:48] <eagles0513875_> and now doing an upgrade to saucy
[19:48] <TJ-> I've moved away from using the installers now, I've found much more control using debootstrap, starting with the ubuntu-minimal task, and the building up
[19:48] <BluesKaj_> ok , good eagles0513875_ that mean you may have fix come down , unless you used a daily
[19:48] <eagles0513875_> TJ-: how does one work with debootstrap?
[19:49] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: which i did :(
[19:49] <eagles0513875_> no no
[19:49] <eagles0513875_> wait i didnt i put a dialy on my pen drive but it was corrupted somehow
[19:49] <BluesKaj_> well , update /upgrade anyway
[19:51] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: im getting anxious now lol
[19:51] <BluesKaj_> don't , is there some kind of dealine , again ?
[19:51] <BluesKaj_> deadline ratrher
[19:51] <eagles0513875_> no i just want a working system again lol
[19:52] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: this is the cpu in it http://ark.intel.com/products/75117 which was only released 2nd quarter of this year
[19:52] <TJ-> eagles0513875: I start off with "sudo -i" then "mkdir /target; lvcreate -L 6G -n rootfs $VG"; lvcreate -L 512M -n boot $VG; lvcreate -L 6G -n var $VG; lvcreate -L 10G -n home $VG; mkfs.ext4 -L boot /dev/$VG/boot; mkfs.ext4 -L var /dev/$VG/var; mkfs.ext4 -L home /dev/$VG/home; mkfs.ext4 -L rootfs /dev/$VG/rootfs; mount /dev/$VG/rootfs /target; mkdir /target/{boot,var,home}; mount /dev/$VG/var /target/var".... etc.
[19:53] <eagles0513875_> ahh that is interesting :)
[19:53] <eagles0513875_> so basically you setup one os which has partitions which can grow in otherwords
[19:54] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: do you know if i installed kubuntu-full meta package if i will be able to uninstall programs which i wont use etc?
[19:54] <TJ-> eagles0513875: Then when all the volumes are mounted to /target I do "debootstrap --arch $ARCH --foreign --variant minbase saucy /target http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu" and then switch into /target/ with chroot, configure network and other bits, then "/debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage"
[19:55] <TJ-> eagles0513875: Yes, all my installations use LVM that way, gives maximum flexibility to mirror, expand, move, snapshot, etc
[19:55] <eagles0513875_> :)
[19:55] <BluesKaj_> eagles0513875_. yes , but it's a pita , better to install the default packages then add if you need any
[19:56] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: bah ok :(
[19:57] <eagles0513875_>  wish it coudl work both ways
[19:57] <eagles0513875_> abou t3/4's of the default apps are taking up space for nothing
[19:57] <BluesKaj_> why not try the the miniremix
[19:58] <BluesKaj_> dunno if it's availabele yet
[19:58] <eagles0513875_> remix?
[19:58] <BluesKaj_> for 13.10 that is'
[19:58] <eagles0513875_> what exactly is in said remix though
[19:58] <TJ-> minimal install, based on "ubuntu-minimal" task
[19:58] <eagles0513875_> in a way that is what i did
[19:59] <eagles0513875_> a minimal base install then via grub and command line installed the kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-full forgot which one
[20:02] <BluesKaj_> http://www.ubuntu-mini-remix.org/
[20:14] <eagles0513875_> BluesKaj_: TJ-  :D packages are installing for saucy
[20:15] <BluesKaj_> then once installed , do sudo release-upgrade -d
[20:15] <BluesKaj_> gotta go
[20:15] <eagles0513875_> lol BluesKaj_ im already running do-release-upgrade
[20:16] <eagles0513875_> do-release-upgrade -d
[20:16] <BluesKaj_> later
[20:16] <eagles0513875_> later BluesKaj_  :)
[20:25] <eagles0513875_> hey genii  :)
[20:25]  * genii sips and waves
[20:27] <eagles0513875_> hows it going genii
[20:33] <genii> Well, it's Friday and Monday is a holiday here so pretty good :)
[20:34] <eagles0513875_> bah still no luck here tj genii :(
[20:34] <eagles0513875_> after upgrading to saucy
[20:34] <eagles0513875_> still a black screen of nothign ness
[20:35] <genii> eagles0513875_: Tried the nomodeset and so on?
[20:36] <eagles0513875_> genii: how do i set those in grub?
[20:37] <genii> !nomodeset
[20:38] <eagles0513875_> that coudl be just what i need
[20:40]  * eagles0513875_ gives genii  a bear hug
[20:40] <eagles0513875_> genii: that did the trick
[20:40] <genii> Cool.
[20:40] <eagles0513875_> is there a way i can st that permenently in grub
[20:43] <eagles0513875_> genii:  have another issue
[20:43] <eagles0513875_> traackpad isnt working
[20:45] <genii> eagles0513875_: For permanent, add into /etc/default/grub   the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset"    ...and then do: sudo update-grub
[20:45] <genii> Trackpad you'll need to find someone else to assist with it ...
[20:46] <eagles0513875_> no problem genii
[21:19] <febLey> Any reason why the RC isn't out yet?
[21:28] <IdleOne> it isn't ready
[21:36] <bekks> febLey: Its not published yes.
[21:36] <bekks> *yet


[01:17] <mikubuntu> my volume icon that was usually over in the right side of the top panel has distappeared, and i can't find it anywhere.  also, only my headphones work now, not my speakers on acer laptop
[01:22] <homebrewcider> hey there, is there a way to write directly to the sd card in my canon printer
[01:59] <rodriesp> hi
[01:59] <rodriesp> i'm having a problem i don't know if you can help me
[02:03] <rodriesp> is anybody here????
[02:04] <MalkavianManiac> !askl
[02:04] <MalkavianManiac> !ask
[02:07] <rodriesp> when i do Ctrl+Alt+F1 nothing happens
[02:07] <rodriesp> i don't know why
[02:08] <rodriesp> it was working perfectly 2 days ago
[02:08] <well_laid_lawn> does it work with f2?
[02:08] <rodriesp> no
[02:09] <well_laid_lawn> using nvidia driver?
[02:09] <rodriesp> without any f1, f2, f3
[02:09] <rodriesp> no i'm using flgrx, ati i mean
[02:09] <rodriesp> i think this started to happen after updating
[02:10] <well_laid_lawn> did the update bring in a new kernel?
[02:10] <rodriesp> that is what i don't remember he, probably it did sth like that
[02:11] <well_laid_lawn> can you select an older kernel from the grub menu to check it?
[02:12] <rodriesp> mmm i'll see
[02:12] <rodriesp> i restart and i tell you
[02:12] <well_laid_lawn> k
[02:16] <rodriesp> hey, thanks, the new kernel was all the problem, i see that i updated from 2.6.32-21 to 2.6.32-22, now tty1 to tty6 works perfectly
[02:16] <rodriesp> i was also having a problem with youtube in firefox, with the old kernel started working again
[02:16] <rodriesp> so i'll put this kernel as default in grub
[02:17] <rodriesp> thanks a lot well_laid_lawn
[02:17] <well_laid_lawn> np :] rodriesp
[02:17] <rodriesp> hehe
[02:17] <rodriesp> let's say a bloody new kernel
[02:18] <rodriesp> i just updated as a windows user, without knowing what i was updating
[02:18] <well_laid_lawn> everyone updates on trust...
[03:55] <donak> hi all
[03:55] <donak> how do I remove a "Verve" command line from my top panel? It won't "drag" back to the "Add New Items" list.
[03:56] <Tukeke> hello
[04:05] <donak> bye
[07:01] <remanifest> I've got a really simple/basic question... I'm trying to find the default Xubuntu background (the blue one with trees)... does anyone know where that is stored or where I can obtain it?
[07:03] <well_laid_lawn> /usr/share/wallpapers iirc
[07:04] <remanifest> nope, that's KDE
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> I'm not on a xubuntu box to check but in /usr/share it is either wallpaper, backgrounds or themes
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> so you found it remanifest ;]
[07:21] <remanifest> yes indeed, thank you :)
[07:48] <pteague> if pulseaudio is crap, why is it still being installed?
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> stubborness is my guess
[07:50] <pteague> i heard something about it being the coolest thing since fire, and then the wheel came along
[08:59] <edakiri> What GUI options are there for managing user accounts? I do not have the full Xubuntu-desktop installed.
[09:00] <MalkavianManiac> im not sure about actual apps, but the webmin server has a users and groups module
[09:00] <bazhang> !webmin
[09:00] <bazhang> try ebox as its supported, and webmin is not
[09:00] <MalkavianManiac> !info webmin
[09:01] <MalkavianManiac> seriously, just coz one thing doesnt work... they throw the whole thing away
[09:01] <edakiri> I hate web apps.  I'll figure it out from the command line first.
[11:13] <giuseppe_> hi all... I have a problem with picasa on xubuntu 9.10. Can somebody help me?
[11:14] <giuseppe_> I installed Picasa but it does not start
[11:14] <giuseppe_> is there somebody?
[11:15] <well_laid_lawn> giuseppe_: if you open it from terminal are there errors mentioned?
[11:15] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn, no, no error and no message... it close
[11:17] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn: in fact I have no idea about the problem and how to solve it
[11:19] <well_laid_lawn> giuseppe_: I don't use picasa - is there a --help option for it in terminal?
[11:20] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn: no...:(
[11:22] <well_laid_lawn> giuseppe_: k - one min
[11:23] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn: ok sure.. thanks
[11:24] <well_laid_lawn> giuseppe_: is there a file/folder called .picasa in your home dir?
[11:25] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn, yes there is
[11:25] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn, have I to delete it?
[11:25] <well_laid_lawn> you might need to move it to .picasa-bak
[11:26] <well_laid_lawn> then try to start the app
[11:27] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn, 1 min
[11:27] <well_laid_lawn> k
[11:29] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn, now it's different
[11:29] <giuseppe_> probably it will start
[11:29] <well_laid_lawn> giuseppe_: it works?
[11:29] <giuseppe_> I have to set up
[11:29] <well_laid_lawn> k
[11:29] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn, Thanks very very much
[11:29] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn, now I see
[11:29] <giuseppe_> I need 2 mins
[11:29] <well_laid_lawn> np :] giuseppe_
[11:30] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn: great!!!!! It works very fine!
[11:30] <well_laid_lawn> woot!
[11:30] <giuseppe_> well_laid_lawn: thank youuuuuuu!!!!! and have a nice week end!
[11:30] <well_laid_lawn> you too giuseppe_
[12:32] <lumen> testing out Xubuntu, looks good
[12:32] <lumen> Windows XP thrown out the window today :)
[12:32] <knome> lumen, congrats
[12:36] <well_laid_lawn> no windows in my home either :]
[12:39] <MalkavianManiac> well_laid_lawn, must be a pretty dark house then
[12:39] <well_laid_lawn> heh :]
[14:26] <xubuntu407> blah
[15:45] <Rinsmaster> I just 'burned' a xubuntu 10.04 image onto a USB stick using the startup disk tool in Ubuntu. Now when I boot from that stick, it all works great, until I press a key, then it starts repeats it endlessly (as if I never let go of it). This happens on all KB's I've tried.. Is this a common problem?
[16:23] <aosys> hi. i am planning on installing Xubuntu on an older laptop that has 1 60gb partition. i understand that i have to create a new partition and then split that one up into 3 parts. 1 for Xubuntu OS, 1 for data (\home) and one for Linux-swap RAM. how would you suggest I go about doing this?
[16:24] <aosys> should i 1st create a new partition and then splitting it in to 3 parts in Windows XP using disk management tool?
[16:48] <pedro> hello
[16:49] <pedro> anyone for a help?
[16:51] <Sysi-> !ask
[16:52] <pedro> how to share folders?
[16:54] <pedro> I'm already connected, but i can not choose wich folders to share
[16:55] <pedro> I'm using gigolo
[17:25] <Aquina> hm... I also had some problems with gigolo. I assume you run it from the LiveCD (10.04), pedro?
[17:26] <pedro> no, my system is xubuntu 10.04
[17:28] <Aquina> Maybe I got you wring but Gigolo is an application to connect to remote locations. I nvers saw or used a local share function. I also referred to 10.04 btw.
[17:38] <xubuntu134> buenas
[17:38] <xubuntu134> alguiensabe como puedo instalar un servidor apache, una base de datos mysql y php en mi pc
[17:39] <TheSheep> !pt
[17:40] <xubuntu134> #ubuntu-es
[17:40] <TheSheep> sorry :)
[18:10] <Sysi-> it seems that i can't get xscreensaver to stay behind when watching videos
[18:56] <Azur12> hola?
[18:56] <Azur12> necesito ayuda
[18:56] <Azur12> hi
[18:56] <Azur12> need help please
[19:24] <Sysi-> !ask Azur12
[19:25] <Sysi-> !ask | Azur12
[20:20] <wer-ist-roger> hej everyone
[20:21] <wer-ist-roger> I try to change the password of the password manager. How can I do that?
[20:22] <wer-ist-roger> I'm currently using karmic
[20:40] <slow-motion> hi
[22:17] <rockesha> hi. unable to install xubuntu on toshiba satellite a135 s2326 previously running vista. can work on cd by setting acpi=off. any advice?
[22:54] <pahindr> hello
[23:01] <Psilocybin_Elf> Heya
[23:10] <Jonex> I have weird issues with networking. Wired networking work in SLAX, a protable version of slackware. But not in xubuntu. It sees like DHCP fails.
[23:10] <Jonex> What differences are there between the distros that could cause the error?
[23:12] <knome> no idea. which xubuntu versio were you trying?
[23:12] <knome> +n
[23:13] <Jonex> 10.04
[23:14] <Jonex> The computer is an old Dell Latitude
[23:14] <knome> dhcp should work in 10.04
[23:14] <knome> i mean, haven't heard of similar problems in 10.04 before
[23:14] <Jonex> It does not have drivers in windows. But if the drivers arenät
[23:15] <Jonex> aren't iworking, i would not get any enrty in ifconfig at all, right?
[23:15] <knome> i don't know.
[23:15] <knome> wired network should pretty much alwayst just work ootb
[23:16] <Jonex> It succeeds to connect to open wireless networks it seems, bot not wpa secured ones.
[23:16] <Sysi-> (exept with brand new card and debian)
[23:17] <knome> Sysi-, i said should :)
[23:17] <Sysi-> i said debian :p
[23:18] <knome> ubuntu is based on debian, so they must have somewhat similar bugs :P
[23:18] <knome> if something is completely fixed in ubuntu, the debian developers should be wise enough to copy+paste
[23:18] <Jonex> I Is there any practical ways of troubleshoting network, within the default install (not network means no apt-get)
[23:19] <Sysi-> knome: debian means ancient
[23:21] <knome> Sysi-, sure. so does "knome" in your mind
[23:22] <Sysi-> i didn't say that (right now)
[23:23] <knome> i'm not that ancient i'd forget all the things you've said :P
[23:23] <knome> Jonex, sorry, can't think of anything...
[23:23] <Sysi-> try "ifconfig eth0 up"
[23:23] <Sysi-> see if it gives errors
[23:24] <Sysi-> wlan could be issue with drivers
[23:26] <Jonex_> But, if it's the drivers, will I get it to work then?
[23:27] <Jonex_> Or is ther a risk that I'll have to install windows just because of crappy dell hardware?
[23:28] <well_laid_lawn> is it wired or wireless you want to fix Jonex_ ?
[23:28] <Sysi-> what's model of wifi card
[23:29] <pahindr> 1
[23:29] <Jonex> Initially just about any network access, preferably wifi though, since I only have one wired conenction. But then Iäd like both to work.
[23:30] <well_laid_lawn> Jonex: what's in the /etc/network/interfaces file about eth0?
[23:31] <Jonex_> Hmm, nothing
[23:32] <well_laid_lawn> Jonex: add the line   auto eth0   and restart the network with   sudo service networking restart
[23:37] <Jonex_> Hmm, does that differ from using the auto eth0 thiny in the networking menu?
[23:38] <well_laid_lawn> no idea - I remove the network manager to run a static ip :]
[23:39] <Jonex_> the network manager handles static ip
[23:39] <well_laid_lawn> it didn't here
[23:40] <Sysi-> i can find where to set that up
[23:41] <Sysi-> modify connections, Auto eth0, edit, ipv4
[23:43] <Jonex_> Couldn't change the interfaces file, even with sudo
[23:44] <Jonex_> But, oh well, Iäll have to continue trying this som eother time. Thanks for alll the tips!


[11:01] <juliank> cjwatson: hey there, I'm building a huge haskell snap, and it fails after 2 hours on arm* (others succeeded: i386 in 16 mins,  amd64 in 40 mins, and s390x/ppc64el in an hour). Now I don't know why it failed as cabal lost its log file, so I'm wondering if it's timing out after 2h - otherwise, I'd assume it's running out of memory
[11:02] <juliank> (via build.snapcraft.io)
[11:02] <juliank> https://launchpad.net/~build.snapcraft.io/+snap/a8e82f0f88986fe073c27523af44b465/+build/822541
[11:04] <cjwatson> juliank: The token that snap builds get to talk via a proxy to the internet expires after two hours.
[11:05] <juliank> ah
[11:05] <juliank> that explains it
[11:05] <cjwatson> See if you can get it to do all the downloads first.
[11:06] <juliank> ack


[19:11] <lynorian> did we ever fix k3b not being in disco before the huge infrastructure hiccup?
[19:20] <wxl> lynorian: looks like it according to the manifest
[19:48] <lynorian> Ok I need to work on k3b on the manual a ton
[19:48] <lynorian> got 2 commits done on it
[19:55] <wxl> @tsimonq2: meeting?
 ERR:@tsimonq2IsNotHere
 :P
[20:13] <wxl> well i have no way of knowing XD
[20:13] <wxl> ah the problems with the telegram bridge
 > Last Seen 3 Hours Ago
[20:14] <wxl> at least ya'll know when matrix people are here ;þ
[20:14] <teward> Err: Simon Is Missing
[20:14] <teward> Result: PARTY HARD!
[20:14] <teward> *shot*
 Isn't our meeting normally in 35 minutes or so?
[20:24] <wxl> normally
 Ok. I was thinking it was early.
[20:26] <wxl> i feel like we missed last week's meeting or am i wrong? maybe i missed it
 We probably did.
[20:26] <wxl> i started keeping a worklog and it's a week old
 It was a little hectic (more so than normal).
 Yeah, we missed it
[20:26] <wxl> of course i haven't done much this last week bah :/
 See y'all in a bit when I get home.
[20:28] <wxl> o/
 I forgot you change time, so it is in 20 more minutes?
 Yup
 lies, it's in 15 minutes 😛
 *shot*
 I might not be around in time
 I will be in the subway I think
[21:11] <kc2bez> Sorry I'm late.
 It's all good
 Wanna go first, Dan?
[21:12] <kc2bez> Sure.
[21:12] <kc2bez> I tried to pull as much as I could from the google cache pages to reconstruct the phab tasks and wiki.
[21:13] <kc2bez> I still have the tar files if we need
[21:14] <kc2bez> That is pretty much it from me I think.
[21:14] <wxl> hey a thought about that..... maybe we should make a coordinated effort to get everything back up?
[21:14] <wxl> or work on a more programmatic solution?
[21:15] <kc2bez> What ever you suggest, I am all ears. I was just trying to save it before we lost it.
[21:16] <wxl> and dan, seriously, that is the most awesome thing anyone could have done
[21:16] <kc2bez> I wasn't able to get every task but I think all the wiki was there.
[21:16] <wxl> so my thoughts: either go the cheap route and we just split it up, or we actually take the time to maybe look at what posting apis may or may not exist for phabricator and try to figure out a programmatic solution. might be a lot of parsing
 I don't think the programatic solution would be easy, however, we do need a backup system
 Google cache is in HTML?
[21:18] <kc2bez> yes
[21:19] <wxl> why do you think the programmatic solution would be difficult, @tsimonq2 ?
 Sorry, the programmatic is to load the backup or backups in the future?
[21:19] <wxl> no
[21:20] <wxl> the situation is that we have caches that we can use to restore some of our lost content
[21:20] <wxl> of course to do it we have to take the cache and process it in some way or another to get it posted back on phabricator
 @wxl [<wxl> why do you think the programmatic solution would be difficult, @tsimonq2 ?], Parsing the HTML and turning it into rst
 I don't know if that's exactly easy
[21:21] <kc2bez> old T154 would be a bear for example.
 Mmm, I know nothing from rst, but parsing HTML is easy
[21:22] <kc2bez> I also don't know how important it is to have the task numbers match is.
 In php simplehtmldom is very easy to use
[21:23] <kc2bez> too many is's there.
[21:23] <wxl> right, there's probably libraries we could use, even to convert back into rst
[21:23] <lynorian> pandoc does lots of converting I would check there
 Every webscrapping tool handles html
[21:24] <wxl> do you want to see if you can't come up with a solution @HMollerCl? i suggest looking into it generally/casually. don't spend a lot of time on it. if we can't get an easy answer, let's just split up the content and do it manually
[21:24] <kc2bez> I agree with wxl
 Ok
[21:26] <wxl> thank you
[21:26] <wxl> and since dan is done... and i've got your attention, you've got anything @HMollerCl?
 Has anyone look into the DOM of those html?
[21:28] <wxl> i think the only thing that's been done is that @tsimonq2 has been putting some of them back up manually
 Not much, there are still things I don't understand why icons that where white now are dark (about lxqt, nm-tray, among others)
 @wxl [<wxl> i think the only thing that's been done is that @tsimonq2 has been putting …], Yeah
 And I don't understand why the software - properties - qt - drivers. Desktop doesn't appear
[21:29] <lynorian> well pandoc supports html input
 Need to check those
 Pandoc?
[21:29] <wxl> python
[21:29] <wxl> https://pandoc.org/
 I have to look at the backup
[21:30] <wxl> oh whoa i'm wrong
 And see how is the dom
[21:30] <wxl> i always thought pandoc was python. it's haskell
 Haskell?
[21:30] <wxl> there is a library though https://pypi.org/project/pypandoc/
[21:31] <lynorian> even better is in repos
[21:31] <wxl> haskell is a super rad purely functional programming language
 @HMollerCl [And I don't understand why the software - properties - qt - drivers. Desktop doe …], In the menu?
 @kc2bez [In the menu?], Yes
 Preferences —> Software sources
[21:33] <lynorian> I think it was not is cosmic but is in disco
 @kc2bez [Preferences —> Software sources], Yes, but it should be another. Desktop that goes directly to tab 4
 Oh, I gotcha now.
[21:34] <wxl> i'm confused about what ya'll are talking about
[21:34] <wxl> i guess a bug/task would be a good place to start :)
 Wxl: Software-properties-qt
 I added 2. Desktop to the menu, only 1 appear
 T144
[21:35] <wxl> oh
 Anyway @kc2bez where can I see those html?
 Sure, I sent the link to the tar in the members chat but I can PM you.
 And I would need the rst info to know in what I need to transform the html
 Where can I get the rst info?
[21:38] <wxl> the desktop for software sources seems to just lxqt-sudo software-properties-qt.. is that right?
[21:38] <wxl> reStructured Text
 @wxl [<wxl> the desktop for software sources seems to just lxqt-sudo software-properti …], That's one, but should. Be another
[21:39] <wxl> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html
 @wxl [<wxl> reStructured Text], Yes, but how it should be loaded into phab
 Task, details, comments, etc...
[21:40] <wxl> THAT i don't know
[21:40] <wxl> looking at whether or not phabricator has a posting api will be the key
 @wxl [<wxl> looking at whether or not phabricator has a posting api will be the key], That's the main issue
[21:41] <wxl> yes
 OK, will look at it
 That will be on my side
 (I have to take a bike now)
 Thanks Hans.
 Thanks!
[21:43] <wxl> bai
[21:43] <wxl> ok who's next?
 Nothing for me except recovering from data loss
[21:44] <lynorian> I have not gone yet
[21:44] <wxl> that's big stuff. thanks for that.
[21:44] <lynorian> Yes thanks for getting stuff backup tsimonq2
[21:44] <wxl> one quick thing, though.... what IS our backup plan?
 No problem, it's been a draining week and I'm about to go AFK for a few hours to get some fresh air and unwind
[21:47] <wxl> @tsimonq2: you see my question?
 Which?
[21:47] <wxl> one quick thing, though.... what IS our backup plan?
[21:49] <wxl> maybe i have to hlight you to get an answer? XD
[21:49] <wxl> @tsimonq2 one quick thing, though.... what IS our backup plan?
 Sorry
 I'll let @teward001 elaborate on that
 He has a plan, for sure
[21:51] <wxl> ok
[21:52] <wxl> in that case, carry on, my wayward son. there'll be peace when you are done.
[21:53] <wxl> @lynorian: you want next?
[21:53] <lynorian> yes
[21:53] <lynorian> I have set up 2fa now
[21:54] <lynorian> I also did lots of manual stuff major improvements of kde partition manager and qps
[21:54] <wxl> ooh qps
[21:55] <lynorian> I also have kept on polishing many other applicatoins like featherpad and qterminal
 Yeah, cool!
[21:55] <wxl> qool you mean
 Right!
[21:56] <lynorian> I also added build dependencies to the README for stuff needed to make a pdf
[21:57] <wxl> great!!!!
[21:57] <lynorian> which I still have not figured out the chapter numbering
[21:57] <lynorian> I polished a ton of lxqt-panel
[21:58] <lynorian> polished up muon package manager
[21:58] <lynorian> I did a ton of polishing last week
[21:59] <wxl> you are amazing, lynorian
 Indeed.
[21:59] <lynorian> lots of the prefrences for lxqt
[21:59] <lynorian> I may need to get mulitple version built as I have not started on new stuff for 19.04 though
[22:00] <lynorian> while not confusing 18.10 users
[22:00] <lynorian> then the whole data loss happened
[22:00] <lynorian> and today I am working on k3b more
[22:02] <lynorian> that is it for me
[22:02] <wxl> ok thanks again!
[22:02] <wxl> anyone else left or should i go?
[22:03] <lynorian> I don't think anyone else is here
 I think it is you wxl.
[22:04] <wxl> ok i only really have stuff from the week before the infrastructure loss
[22:04] <wxl>  * Could not reproduce bug 1819009 on real hardware or VM (thanks Chris, Dan, Thomas)
[22:04] <wxl>  * Triaged bug 1804554 - was expired (can't reproduce on VM) but reproducible on real hardware. Still, it's for pure Openbox, so low (thanks Chris, Dan, Hans)
[22:04] <wxl>  * Triaged bug 1819322 - fixed.
[22:04] <wxl>  * Tried to figure out why ISOs weren't uploading due to a Trusty ISO missing from the manifest. Turns out someone archived .5 but didn't remove it, so it only affected some flavors.
[22:04] <wxl>  * Worked to further confirm bug 1797665 (thanks Dan, Thomas)
[22:04] <wxl> jeez what's up with the bot?
[22:05] <wxl> there it goes
[22:05] <kc2bez> The bridge was slow too.
[22:06] <wxl> there's also someone else who has popped up on bug 1782984 and i need to get them to further confirm, but i'm still convinced it's a gtk2 bug.. which makes me want to not even bother because LXDE is probably never going to get gtk3 compliant.. at least not before the next api breaking gtk update comes uot XD
 @wxl [<wxl> in that case, carry on, my wayward son. there'll be peace when you are don …], Thanks dude
[22:07] <wxl> incidentially the bug has kind of become a great way to promote LXQt X'''D
[22:07] <wxl> and that's about it for me
[22:08] <kc2bez> Thanks for everything wxl
[22:08] <wxl> i don't want to say anything due to fear of jinxing but i should have some free time soon so should see a little more from me
 @wxl [<wxl> incidentially the bug has kind of become a great way to promote LXQt X'''D], Actually that's one of the things why I was interested in 18.10 at the beginning
[22:09] <wxl> @HMollerCl as i said on the bug, trying to make it GTK3 compliant is essentially what compelled PCMan to do a Qt port because he found that compared to GTK3, Qt was actually better at resource usage.. so this is an important thing to remember when people complain about Qt versus GTK2.
 There was a question in the Spanish group about Wayland in lubuntu. Are there answers?
[23:10] <guiverc> apologies to everyone, I just realized it's friday.. i didn't have anything to say anyway, but sorry for my belated..
[23:20] <wxl> @HMollerCl https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/10
 wxl: long thread
[23:22] <wxl> guiverc: no prob. i know you've been doing bug stuff and it's been appreciated.
[23:22] <wxl> @HMollerCl indeed
 https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/conduit_edit/
 there is an api
[23:23] <wxl> DrewRWx: do you have any insight on lxqt/wayland?
[23:25] <wxl> @HMollerCl that's a good sign then!
 tasks seems more doable
 in the wiki I haven't found a concrete structure that would be easy to parse all of them
[23:38] <wxl> well 50% is better than 0
 https://github.com/enckse/phabricator-tools  this might be usefull for backups
[23:47] <wxl> ^^^ @teward001