[03:52] <kaushal> hi
[03:52] <kaushal> Please guide me about http://askubuntu.com/questions/18988/openvpn-on-ubuntu-10-10 ?
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:34] <kaushal> hi
[08:35] <kaushal> Please guide me about http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/548164/ on Ubuntu Karmic 9.10
[08:35] <kaushal> Wireless doesnot work
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> 9.10? why not 10.04 or 10.10?
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> those havebetter broadcom drivers
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> also, 10.04 is LTS so it's supported for longer (support for 9.10 will end in april, I think?)
[08:48] <kaushal> ok
[08:48] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks. I do know it
[08:48] <kaushal> but at the moment any workaround ?
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> I don't know.. broadcom is a weird beast, driver-wise
[08:52] <kaushal> :(
[08:52] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: np
[09:16] <Phineas> I have returned
[09:22] <nperry> Phew
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: Za Khaladas.
[09:25] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  doesn't make any sence to me
[09:26] <nperry> Hmm, just seen an email in my spam from Doug Boner. No imagination about these names :/
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: In Starcraft, when you create a Dragoon, the first thing it says when it's done is "I have returned"
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: "Za Khaladas" is one of the things it says when you click it (to give it orders :)
[09:27] <Phineas> nperry,  do i know you from somewhere?
[09:27] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  oh i see, kinda
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D31WIqPyWzk
[09:27] <nperry> Phineas: Are you doug?
[09:28] <Phineas> nperry,  nopr
[09:28] <Phineas> npe
[09:29] <Phineas> nope
[09:29] <nperry> I wouldn't of been happy if you were filling my spam box
[09:30] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  that voice is just plain funny
[09:31] <nperry>  Not to sure I like Linkin Park's new album :(
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: all of Starcraft is :)
[09:31] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  is that one of those "it's not for linux" games
[09:34] <Phineas> ?
[09:34] <Phineas> nperry,  never herd of him
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> works fine in wine
[09:35] <Phineas> nice rimeing
[09:35] <Phineas> but is it free/
[09:35] <Phineas> ?
[09:36] <nperry> no
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> but it's cheap
[09:36] <Phineas> whats the price
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> google?
[09:36] <Phineas> oh yeah
[09:37] <nperry> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=starcraft+2
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blizzard-Entertainment-Starcraft/dp/B00004U1X0
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> nperry: 2 is so new it might not work with wine ;)
[09:37] <nperry> MartijnVdS: I thought 2 was confirmed as working ok
[09:38] <Phineas> i have found a demo
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> nperry: maybe on new hardware :)
[09:38] <Phineas> roughly how big is the game
[09:39] <nperry> winetricks win7 has to be done for some reason
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: ~12cm in diameter
[09:40] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  no i mean the data on the disk how meny gb is it
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: it's one CD
[09:42] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  oh ok i am trying a free demo (i think its a demo)
[09:46] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  looks allot like Warhammer
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> it's a lot like warcraft in space (but don't call it that ;))
[09:48] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  i will play some more later as its fullscreen
[09:50] <Phineas> and i have programing to do (again)
[10:41] <balor> Is today a bank holiday?
[10:47] <marsilainen> balor: in England it is at least
[10:47] <misabur> hi any hints for cnee: Record memory failure  Xnee failed due to bad data received from RECORD extension
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> cnee?
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> what's a cnee?
[10:47] <misabur> a macro utility
[10:47] <misabur> see synaptic :-)
[10:49] <misabur> FYI, I had done an xorg record entry
[10:49] <misabur> But this did not help
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> sounds like the Xorg record extension is broken
[10:51] <misabur> seems so, but may be its an configuration error from myself?
[10:52] <balor> marsilainen: thanks
[11:42] <brobostigon> morning all.
[11:46] <kaushal> hi
[11:46] <AlanBell> o/
[11:52] <brobostigon> hi
[12:00] <nixtux> hiya brobostigon
[12:00] <brobostigon> hey nixtux
[12:02] <Ferb> I have returned
[12:04] <Ferb> za
[12:04] <Ferb> I've forgotten the phrase
[12:08] <Ferb> MargiNS, his does it go again
[12:24] <Ferb> damn it I am not op again
[12:36] <Pendulum> hiya
[12:36] <Ferb> hi pendulum
[12:38] <Ferb> how are you?
[12:39] <Pendulum> ok. you?
[12:42] <Ferb> I am fine, do you have any pets?
[12:43] <Pendulum> not anymore
[12:44] <popey> moo
[12:44] <nperry> I had a pet rock once, i ate him.
[12:44] <Ferb> I on the other hand do have pets, so does my brother
[12:47] <Ferb> my brother has a dog and a cat and I have a platypus
[12:50] <Ferb> the dog is called Odie the cat is called Garfield and the platypus is called Perry
[12:50] <penguin42> a platypus? As a pet?
[12:50] <Ferb> yeah
[12:51] <Ferb> thats right
[12:51] <popey> lies
[12:51] <Ferb> popey, not lies
[12:51] <popey> photo?
[12:51] <popey> ps aux
[12:51] <popey> os
[12:52] <popey> *oops
[12:52] <Ferb> yeah I have a photo
[12:53] <Ferb> but I am on my phone right now and cant upload it
[12:55] <popey> getting quite bored of your trolling
[12:55] <Ferb> its not trolling its making statements
[12:56] <Ferb> threes a huge diffrence
[12:57] <dutchie> any suggestions for what to do with a laptop that had a minor beer accident last night?
[12:57] <UbuntuBhoy> let it dry before attaching power
[12:57] <dutchie> it spent last night in several pieces in the airing cupboard
[12:57] <UbuntuBhoy> 48 hours dry
[12:57] <popey> yes, but all hinge on you doing the corrective action last night, not now
[12:58] <Pendulum> dutchie: pray. I had a minor milk incident with a laptop last october and it took until this October to start showing problems
[12:58] <dutchie> hmm
[12:58] <Pendulum> (and I did all the "correct" actions at the time)
[12:58] <dutchie> last night i pulled the power and battery and got it apart as quick as i could
[12:58] <UbuntuBhoy> thats right, now you can only give it time
[12:58] <sprite> dutchie, take battery out, put in airing cupboard, wash keyboard and leave both for few days t dry
[12:59] <dutchie> wash keyboard?
[12:59] <dutchie> cloth, or full immersion, or what?
[12:59] <sprite> unless u wnt sticky keys ;)
[12:59] <UbuntuBhoy> it should just pop out if its newish
[12:59] <UbuntuBhoy> google for your model
[12:59] <sprite> immersion
[13:00] <sprite> use chemicals tht displace water after to avoid rust
[13:00] <dutchie> sigh
[13:00] <sprite> sh!t happens
[13:00] <dutchie> looks like i will have to head to maplins for such chemicals and better screwdrivers when it's open again
[13:01] <dutchie> i'm not too worried, i spilt it on the opposite side to the HD so the data should be ok
[13:01] <dutchie> so back in the airing cupboard in the meantime?
[13:02] <sprite> just to be safe
[13:02] <sprite> and oil, wd40 displace water
[13:03] <dutchie> dunno if we have any wd40 left
[13:03] <dutchie> but thanks
[13:03] <sprite> k
[13:04] <nperry> dutchie: have another beer fixies it
[13:07] <marsilainen> too many things to do; must stop switching from one to another... focus on one
[13:08] <popey> marsilainen: i can kick you out of the channel ifthat helps?
[13:08] <marsilainen> :)
[13:09] <marsilainen> would help if you could come and fix my adsl line :)
[13:09] <marsilainen> currently online via 3g... yuck
[13:10] <dutchie> popey: bombay mix++
[13:11] <marsilainen> how can one find out what channel other nearby wifi networks are using?
[13:11] <popey> use a wifi scanner app
[13:11] <popey> like iwlist scan
[13:11] <marsilainen> ok, thanks
[13:11] <marsilainen> just want to pick a different channel to others nearby that's all
[13:21] <marsilainen> ok, no-one else use channels 9 to 13 near my house pls
[13:22] <pauliunx> hi,can anyone help me, I keep getting a "An error has occured while mounting /etc/fstab' option and I tried everything to get rid of it but it just won't go away, thanls
[13:23] <marsilainen> pauliunx: when is that error occurring? on boot?
[13:23] <pauliunx> yes
[13:24] <marsilainen> pauliunx: perhaps you could pastebin the contents of your /etc/fstab?
[13:24] <marsilainen> !pastebin
[13:24] <pauliunx>  marsilainen sure
[13:26] <pauliunx> marsilainen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548224/
[13:27] <marsilainen> pauliunx: line 14 seems to start with 'd#'
[13:27] <marsilainen> shouldn't that just be '#'
[13:27] <marsilainen> I assume that the 'd' there is just a mistake
[13:27] <pauliunx> here's the fdisk -l : http://paste.ubuntu.com/548225/
[13:28] <pauliunx> oh
[13:28] <pauliunx> should I reboot to see if that did it?
[13:28] <marsilainen> I guess that whole line just got pasted in there by accident
[13:28] <marsilainen> sure
[13:28] <pauliunx> [ i honestly completly missed that]
[13:28] <pauliunx> thanks, will do so now
[13:30] <marsilainen> dutchie: FYI the maplins here was open yesterday, YMMV
[13:45] <danfish> afternoon y'all
[13:46] <pauliunx> i'm not sure with whom I spoke with last time so I'll just do a re-post since the error didn't go away
[13:46] <pauliunx> hi, I keep getting a 'An error has occured mounting /etc/fstab. Press S to skip, M for manual recovery' when booting ubuntu 10.10. Here are my pastebins for /fstab and fdisk, can anyone please help me get rid of it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548230/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/548229/
[13:46] <brobostigon> afternoonings danfish :)
[13:47] <AlanBell> pauliunx: line 14 of fstab, what is that first character?
[13:47] <danfish> brobostigon: :)
[13:48] <AlanBell> pauliunx: in fact just nuke line 14 altogether and reboot (or sudo mount -a)
[13:49] <pauliunx> AlanBell alright I'll give it a shot
[13:51] <danfish> Am I the only one not wanting to go back to work tomorrow?
[13:52] <dutchie> danfish: just fyi, my university term starts on the 16th of jan
[13:52] <dutchie> hth
[13:54]  * danfish pokes dutchie with a very long and pointy stick filled with jealousy ;)
[13:55] <pauliunx> AlanBell: thanks A LOT. that did it...weird thing is, in gedit/nano/pico  that little character wasn't appearing at all, never seen it untill I paste bined it... after removing the line completed it worked like a charm, thanks again :)
[13:58] <AlanBell> no problem
[13:59] <danfish> dutchie: you got exams when you get back?
[14:00] <dutchie> danfish: yes
[14:01] <penguin42> danfish: I assumed the entire planet had those 3 days booked off as holiday
[14:01] <dutchie> i actually have to be back on the 13th, then exams on the 14th
[14:01] <dutchie> term proper then starts on the 26th
[14:01] <dutchie> 16th*
[14:01] <danfish> :( I've never understood why uni's do that - it's like here, have a nice long hols, but we'll hold some exams just to really irritate you
[14:01] <penguin42> yeh don't relax, cram your brains
[14:02] <dutchie> too late
[14:02] <jpds> danfish: To prepare them for life.
[14:02] <dutchie> i have already relaxed and my brain has turned into mush
[14:03] <danfish> jpds: too true. January is the worst month of the year. Very little to look forwards to
[14:27] <marsilainen> right... fingers crossed a new adsl router will have fixed my issues
[15:21]  * DJones wonders if czajkowski or any freenode staffers are hanging about here at the minute?
[15:33] <mgdm> DJones: what's up?
[15:37] <DJones> mgdm: pm ok?#
[15:37] <mgdm> DJones: any time
[15:47] <Ferb> I have returned
[15:49] <Ferb> "deep levels of joy
[15:49] <Ferb> "
[15:51] <Ferb> sorry about that IRC crashed
[15:53] <Ferb> it has a habit of doing that
[16:11] <Ferb> this is the join/quit junction of freenode right now
[16:29]  * Ferb detects this channel is dead
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> It's not dead. It's just pining for the fjords
[16:30]  * brobostigon is ill, so not concentrating.
[16:31] <Ferb> brobisgon, did you check that game out?
[16:32] <brobostigon> Ferb: not yet.
[16:32] <Ferb> the one that my brother suggested
[16:32] <brobostigon> Ferb: i think you will need remind me.
[16:33] <Ferb> my brother suggested the game Beneath A Steel Sky for linux
[16:34] <Ferb> did you check it out
[16:36] <YaManicKill> so, turns out they dont sell the joggler anymore...
[16:36] <brobostigon> yep,
[16:37] <YaManicKill> ach well, got myself an ex-demonstration one
[16:37] <brobostigon> :)
[16:37] <YaManicKill> i'm gonna use it as a bedside-computer/alarm thing
[16:37] <YaManicKill> chuck ubuntu onto it
[16:46] <danfish> YaManicKill: there's some good premade usb images for it including 10.10
[16:46] <YaManicKill> danfish: yeah, so i've read
[16:47] <YaManicKill> pretty easy to do i think
[16:48] <danfish> exobuzz, who hangs around here from time to time has made a couple of good ones - http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/
[16:49] <YaManicKill> ahhh looks good
[16:49] <YaManicKill> i won't get it for a week tho :-P
[16:52] <danfish> I'm planning a big conversion to solar next year....with a (solar powered) joggler as a controller
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> Solar powered? In the UK?
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> (tiny generators in drain pipes -- rain power!)
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> *writes patent application*
[16:54] <brobostigon> lol
[16:55] <danfish> MartijnVdS: hehe - but as we are relatively north, the long hours of daylight are rather good
[16:56]  * danfish wonders how much electricity the Dutch could generate if all bicycles has dynamos and batteries :P
[16:56] <YaManicKill> danfish: haha that sounds awesome
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> danfish: well, generators on bicycles don't generate much power
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> danfish: I calculated it once, when I wanted to charge my laptop and phone off my hub dynamo :)
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> (turns out it's hard to impossible)
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> Now gyms.. those could be self-powered ;)
[16:59] <danfish> MartijnVdS: I've often thought that :) All that wasted gym energy
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> "Want to watch TV? Bike faster!"
[16:59]  * danfish senses a definite patent application :D
[17:01] <danfish> during the recent snow, the local gym closed it's car park - it begged the obvious question - why waste energy running on a 'hamster wheel' when you'd get a much better workout with a snow shovel!
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> danfish: a local gym here gives a discount if you don't need a parking space :)
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> because they only have 10 or so
[17:05] <skybinary> hi, i installed ubuntu 10.10 from usb, went well, i added the totem plugin for dvb-t, went well it found loads of channels from my local transmitter, but totem will not play :(
[17:07] <danfish> MartijnVdS: good idea really
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> danfish: yeah, they sell it as if they want to help you being/becoming healthier :)
[17:15] <danfish> MartijnVdS: I've vowed (yet again!) to cycle into work next year
[17:18] <skybinary> ok kewl, kaffeine works, as long as i kill gnome-dvb-daemon from processes
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> skybinary: because g-d-d grabs the device (to do recordings etc.)
[17:19] <skybinary> MartijnVdS, aww shame , i would prefer to use totem but
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> well, totem talks to g-d-d as well
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> so it should work
[17:20] <skybinary> i think it needs more development for it to work
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> yeah, I'm waiting for DiSEqC  support
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> (so it can address multiple satellites/LNBs properly)
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> also, DVB-S2 would be nice
[17:23] <skybinary> i am hoping now i can copy over the sqlite.db from my old kaffeine install of ubuntu to this,
[17:29] <mbana> i don't like how the the taskbar groups up pidgin
[17:29] <mbana> how do i stop this?
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> mbana: on the left there's a "handle" (just next to the desktop button)
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: right click on the handle, "Preferences"
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> mbana: right click on the handle, select "Preferences"
[17:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: wrong perosn i think.
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> mbana: there you can select grouping behaviour
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yeah, mb<tab> vs b<tab> :)
[17:31] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[17:31] <mbana> huh
[17:31] <mbana> i can't find it
[17:32] <mbana> nor can i right click on pisgin
[17:32] <mbana> pidgin
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> mbana: you need to right click on the small bit between the leftmost program in the task list and the "desktop" icon
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> it has a few (hard to see) tiny lines in it
[17:33] <popey> evening
[17:33] <mbana> if it helps, i'm using the LTS release
[17:33] <mbana> hi
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> popester
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> mbana: it has been the same for a few versions now :)
[17:35] <skybinary> serious improvements with 10.10, the nvidia setup now overcomes the failed config file fphew!
[17:36] <mbana> not seeing preferences in the right click menu option
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> mbana: what do you see?
[17:37] <mbana> about, remove,  move and lock to panel
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> mbana: try "about", I want to know what you're right-clicking on :)
[17:37] <mbana> Indicator Applet 0.3.7
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> mbana: ah.. but that's top right, not bottom left :)
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> mbana: I assumed you meant window grouping in the bottom task bar :)
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> You can disable the "indicator" plugin in Pidgin, I think..
[17:43] <mbana> found it
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:43] <mbana> http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1135719
[18:16] <kvarley> Can somebody help me with installing blackshades?
[18:17] <brobostigon> 1info blackshades
[18:17] <brobostigon> !info blackshades
[18:17] <kvarley> You have to compile it
[18:17] <kvarley> It's a game from 2002, It gives me sdl-config: command not found
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: you need to install the development bits of the libraries it needs
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> libsdl-dev in this case, I guess
[18:18] <brobostigon> agreed MartijnVdS
[18:18] <kvarley> Oh ok, thanks MartijnVdS
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> you might hit a few other libraries it depends on
[18:19] <brobostigon> !info libsdl-dev
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> libsdl1.2-dev - Simple DirectMedia Layer development files
[18:20] <bittin><EMAIL_ADDRESS>i need more geeks to chat with :)
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> bittin: Aren't we enough geeks? ;)
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> bittin: here on irc?
[18:21] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> MattJ: you're biased ;)
[18:21] <MattJ> Of course I am :)
[18:21] <MattJ> It's sensible to be biased towards good things
[18:21] <bittin> MartijnVdS: yea but its always fun to have more jabber contacts :)
[18:22] <MattJ> bittin: when you get to ~500, say that again :)
[18:22] <bittin> :p
[18:26] <kvarley> "./Source/Support.h:8: fatal error: AL/alut.h: No such file or directory" - I have openal-dev though :/
[18:27] <MattJ> kvarley: ls /usr/include/AL ?
[18:28] <kvarley> "alc.h  alext.h  al.h  efx.h"
[18:29] <MattJ> kvarley: what version of Ubuntu are you on?
[18:29] <kvarley> 10.10
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> AL? sounds like libopenal-dev
[18:29] <MattJ> kvarley: libalut-dev
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> MattJ: or that :)
[18:29]  * MartijnVdS reads
[18:30] <kvarley>  MattJ: Yeah that'd make sense, that error has gone. Now to the next... :/
[18:30] <kvarley> "fatal error: vorbis/vorbisfile.h: No such file or directory"
[18:30] <kvarley> Does that mean I need vorbis dev or something>
[18:30] <kvarley> *?
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: install "apt-file", then use "apt-file search vorbis/vorbisfile.h"
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> !info apt-file
[18:31] <MattJ> or http://packages.ubuntu.com/ - scroll down to "Search the contents of packages" and type in the missing filename
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> MattJ: but that's slower
[18:31] <MattJ> Depends :)
[18:38] <kvarley> MattJ: Thanks that worked, although it's still not compiling. However, I think I do have all the dependencies.
[18:38] <MattJ> Error?
[18:38] <kvarley> "undefined reference to `IMG_Load'"
[18:39] <MattJ> How did you fix the missing sdl-config?
[18:40] <kvarley> Using that app-file
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> libsdl1.2-dev is only the base
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> you might need more bits (libsdl1.2-image-dev or something)
[18:40] <kvarley> I have libsdl1.2-image-dev
[18:41] <kvarley> And libsdl1.2-dev
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> you might have to run configure again?
[19:00] <kvarley> The audio on quake wars is delayed by about 30seconds. How can I fix this? I tried doing this: http://napalmpiri.wordpress.com/2010/12/17/enemy-territory-quake-wars-sound-works-again-on-ubuntu-maverick-10-10/ but it says permission denied
[19:24] <suprengr> Boo!
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> *yawn*
[19:33] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Can you _yawn_ quietly, some of us are sleeping
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> DJones: *YAWN*
[19:34] <DJones> Damm, that means I'm waking up
[19:34] <suprengr> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[19:35]  * MartijnVdS adds every CD he owns to discogs.com
[19:39]  * suprengr listens to Katerine Jenkins / Dr. Who Abigails track & wonders why han't beep caught onto a potential £spinner yet... get it while its free folfs.
[19:39] <suprengr> *beeb
[19:40]  * suprengr also curses keyboard
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> "?spinner" ?
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> missing unicode char?
[19:43] <DJones> MartijnVdS: That showed as a "£" for me, not "?"
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> DJones: you must be converting latin1 automagically :)
[19:43]  * MartijnVdS utf8s -> £
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> DJones: yours shows up fine
[19:43] <suprengr> [thanks DJones]
[19:44]  * suprengr thinks... type word pounds & help the poor souls?
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> nah, just upgrade to the 21st century by using UTF8 :)
[19:45] <suprengr> ;)
[19:45] <suprengr> wot... upgrade... is swearing allowed on this channel?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: we're not cybermen. We don't mean that kind of upgrading.
[19:46] <suprengr> MartijnVdS: :D
[19:49] <daubers> Evening
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> \o daubers
[19:53] <suprengr> MartijnVdS: are you suggesting Debian UTF-8 migration wizard (utf8-migration-tool)?  In all honesty I wasn't aware of stuff  being mis-translated & so would like to cure it if poss.
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: I'm using Ubuntu everywhere, which has been UTF-8 for 6 years now ;)
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: which IRC client are you using?
[19:54] <suprengr> I am currently on channel in U10.04 - using x-chat.
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> You can set the channel encoding to UTF-8 in xchat
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> I don't know where exactly, but you can set it :)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> (I've done it, but I'm now using irssi)
[19:55] <suprengr> will have a look around options/meus/settings/etc & try to find out what's going on... thanks
[19:55] <suprengr> *menus
[20:04] <fred_> eveing all
[20:19] <czajkowski> DJones: sup
[20:21] <suprengr> MartijnVdS: restarting x-chat to enable UYF8 [hopefully]... it was not so hard to find after all
[20:23] <DJones> czajkowski: Sorted now, thanks for asking though
[20:23] <czajkowski> DJones: grand job. making the most of my holidays and not online much
[20:28] <DJones> czajkowski: Hows things back home
[20:29] <czajkowski> good
[20:29] <czajkowski> way too much food
[20:29] <czajkowski> :)
[20:29] <czajkowski> I hea dback over now on Friday
[20:29] <czajkowski> :(
[20:29] <czajkowski> *head
[20:31] <DJones> Too much food, there's never too much food at this time of year
[20:31] <DJones> Hope you have an easier journey back over
[20:44] <kvarley> I have a 30 second audio delay on enemy territory quake wars. I'm on 10.10, how can I fix this?
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: by analysing what's causing it
[20:48] <kvarley> Lack of oss support I think
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> so tell the game to use alsa
[20:49] <kvarley> When I do "pasuspender /usr/local/games/etqw +set s_alsa_pcm plughw:0" it says "execvp(): Permission denied
[20:50] <kvarley> Running as sudo doesnt work either
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> anything in the logs? /var/log/*
[20:51] <kvarley> Nope
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> can you "ls -l /usr/local/games/etqw" for me?
[20:52] <kvarley> http://paste.ubuntu.com/548351/
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> so the binary is really /usr/local/games/etqw/etqw ?
[20:54] <kvarley> binary is /usr/local/games/etqw/etqw.x86
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: pasuspender is complaining that it can't execute a directory -- which is correct
[20:54] <kvarley> Ohhh
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> missing piece of the puzzle? :)
[20:57] <suprengr> MartijnVdS:  if you not bored of it yet... £ [pound]: is that showing correct to you now?
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: it is! £
[20:57] <suprengr> MartijnVdS: wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[20:57] <suprengr> [& thanks]
[20:58] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: That command works now but audio doesnt work at all :/ Weird
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: pulseaudio is suspended, maybe you're using the wrong alsa device?
[20:59] <kvarley> I don't even have alsa installed?
[20:59] <kvarley> I have 10.10
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: alsa is the kernel layer, it's used by pulseaudio (among others)
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: the "+set s_alsa_pcm plughw:0" bit sets the alsa device used by the game to "plughw:0"
[21:00] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ah ok, I am unsure how to tweak that though.
[21:02] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Could I tell the game to use OSS?
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea, don't know it
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> also, OSS emulation is arguably worse
[21:02] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ok, thanks for the help anyway
[21:08] <Darael> Got a multi-partitioned (all of them NTFS) external hard drive here, want to remove two of them and expand the other to fill the disk.  Gparted claims I need to install ntfsprogs, but ntfsprogs is already installed!
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> Darael: what happens when you use the "Disk Utility" (system -> administration menu)
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> Darael: you can edit partitions in that
[21:12] <Darael> MartijnVdS: I'll have a look.
[21:13] <Darael> MartijnVdS: palimpsest seems to do the job, cheers.  Wonder what's up with gparted... Oh, well.
[21:17] <zleap> tombrough,
[22:50]  * brobostigon rocks out to his xmas pink floyd dvd.
[23:09] <brobostigon> now that is good, while collecting their award, pink floyd, award into the rock and roll hall of fame, to say he wants to collect one for syd barrett, now that is good thought.
[23:09] <brobostigon> david gilmour said.
[23:19] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well,


[19:37] <snail> wellingtron habour is looking beatutiful right now
[19:39] <snail> ibeardslee: i'm hoping that my boss's boss enjoys #nzkoha
[20:04] <ibeardslee> snail: yes .. that'd be awesome
[20:04] <ibeardslee> I think people seeing the community involved could change people's minds
[20:05] <ibeardslee> .. morning
[20:05] <snail> ibeardslee: she has refused techie company, i think she wants to form her own opinion.
[20:06] <snail> ibeardslee: she went to a commercial demostration yesterday at the national library and they spend 45 minutes getting the projector and wireless working
[20:11] <ibeardslee> oh joy
[20:11] <ibeardslee> not a commercial koha demo?
[20:11] <ajmitch> morning
[20:24] <snail> ibeardslee: no, it was a demo of the voyager replacement. not sure of the name, but the presenter was an Israeli who thought she was in Australia not New Zealand.
[20:24] <snail> sounds like the whole thing went down like a cup of cold sick
[20:25] <ajmitch> 45 minutes of waiting for a presentation would kill anyone's enthusiasm
[20:32] <ibeardslee> not to mention getting the country wrong .. it'd be almost like doing a demo in Israel and saying "Good morning Palestine"
[20:34] <snail> having said that, they are very good at the internationalisation stuff, including BIDI
[20:34]  * hads wonders why is &> /dev/null not redirecting his output when run from cron.
[20:35] <snail> hads: because you're rediretcing the command output not the cron output?
[20:36] <hads> I want to redirect the command output, it works when run as my user and has for everything else I've ever done. Just this one command.
[20:36] <hads> (wakeonlan)
[20:45] <snail> just fab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E8EYTyACQk (but completely un ubunut related)
[20:55] <hads> How odd, looks like dash doesn't support &> why have I not run across that before.
[20:58] <hads> Yup, that's it.
[21:04] <chrismsnz> morning
[21:07] <snail> mōrena chrismsnz
[21:08] <chrismsnz> how are we on this brisk mornings
[21:08] <chrismsnz> morning*
[21:09] <ajmitch> a bit cold
[21:13] <mwhudson> morning
[21:13] <mwhudson> looks like it's going to be a beautiful day here
[21:13] <mwhudson> wondering whether to get the bus up mount vic and take some photos at lunch time


[02:37] <On0bi_> somebody google New World Order
[02:47] <bazhang> On0bi_, this is not the channel for that.
[02:48] <On0bi_> yes it is, it's irc, this is irc
[02:48] <bazhang> On0bi_, keep chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:48] <bazhang> no.
[02:48] <On0bi_> communist
[05:02] <On0bi> blah
[06:23] <On0bi> wat?
[06:24] <bazhang> On0bi, ??
[06:24] <On0bi> what up?
[06:24] <bazhang> On0bi, read the /topic here
[06:25] <On0bi> so it's an op channel?
[06:25] <bazhang> ie the part about International Ubuntu IRC operators channel
[06:25] <bazhang> On0bi, not a chat channel
[06:25] <On0bi> ok, can i have #ubuntu back?
[06:25] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[06:25] <bazhang> On0bi, come to #ubuntu-ops
[06:26] <On0bi> ok
[06:28] <On0bi> ok, can i join #ubuntu?
[11:03] <jester-> hi
[11:05] <bazhang> o/
[17:26] <Zic> nalioth / Pricey : Does an association can make a donation in his name to Freenode?
[17:27] <jpds> Can an*
[17:27] <Zic> (and what is the best method?)
[17:27] <Zic> jpds: oops :> (hi)
[17:28] <jpds> Zic: I think they could, via PayPal.
[17:30] <Pricey> Zic: are you looking for http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml ?
[17:33] <Zic> Pricey: just to know if association needs to providing more informations and if http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml is not for personnal donation only
[17:34] <Zic> (what IRC nick for example in the text area of the donation?)
[17:34] <Pricey> Zic: gimme a moment
[17:35] <Zic> Pricey: no problem ;)
[20:03] <nizarus> ping Pricey
[20:06] <Pricey> nizarus: pong
[20:06] <nizarus> Pricey, it's about operator acces in our loco channel
[20:07] <nizarus> the former operator had quit the team
[20:08] <nizarus> and he gave operator privileges to a member who isn't present
[20:09] <nizarus> i talk about #ubuntu-tn, #ubuntu-tn-meeting and #ubuntu-tn-classroom
[20:10] <nizarus> i'm the loco contact and i would like to got these priveleges until we elect a new operator
[20:14] <nizarus> Pricey, ?
[20:49] <Pricey> Hey nizarus, sorry for the wait.
[20:49] <Pricey> nizarus: so the previous owner of the channels has disappeared?
[20:51] <nizarus> no problem Pricey :)
[20:51] <nizarus> the previous owner leaved the loco
[20:51] <Pricey> okies
[20:56] <nizarus> so Pricey ?
[20:57] <Pricey> looking
[22:24] <nizarus> Pricey, still looking ?
[22:26] <Pricey> shouldn't be long
[22:27] <nizarus> okay


[12:16] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: More review for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/cloud-init/fix-gce-az/+merge/265509 :)
[13:53] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: That SSH key solution looks broadly good; would like it if X_2_Y could be renamed X_TO_Y; I think we can afford the extra character. ;)
[13:54] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: But other than that, I think I'm happy with it.
[13:54] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, thats fine. i started down several paths of re-writing that code entirely.
[13:54] <smoser> but settled on only fixing the one that neededfixed.
[13:56] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, fair enough.
[14:00] <smoser> i'm ok with your 2 fix though. i'll add that.
[18:42] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, just read lp:~daniel-thewatkins/cloud-init/fix-gce-az
[18:42] <smoser> that is really nice work.
[19:21] <gamename> hi guys. for some reason, when I run cloud-init on my ami, the authorized keys I want go to '/root/.ssh/authorized_keys' instead of the '/home/foo/.ssh/authorized_keys' file.  How do I force that to happen?
[19:51] <smoser> what OS ?
[19:51] <gamename> CentOS
[19:51] <smoser> i suspect that the default user is set wrong.
[19:51] <gamename> 7.1.(mumble)
[19:52] <smoser> err that it is set to root.
[19:52] <gamename> smoser: That's what it is looking like.  I'm going to zap the /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg file. Will set the "name: centos" in the default to "name: foo".
[19:53] <gamename> foo is the new default id.
[19:53] <gamename> make sense, or am I on the wrong path?
[19:54] <smoser> yeah, you want to set up like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/config/cloud.cfg
[19:54] <smoser> i'd take the packaged version, amek sure that it has default_user name set
[19:54] <smoser> its possible the user-add is failing
[19:54] <smoser> maybe youhave something in /var/log/cloud-init-*.log
[19:54] <smoser> look for WARN
[19:55] <gamename> smoser: ok.  Will verify in the log(s) as well.
[19:56] <gamename> smoser: Other than the default user, are there other values in cloud.cfg that are required to change, or will just the name change be good enough in general?
[19:57] <smoser> the mirror values should be adjusted and possibly ssh_svcname.
[19:57] <smoser> mostly i'd go with what the distro provided you with and change it
[19:57] <gamename> smoser: got it. Thanks;
[21:29] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Glad you were happy with it!


[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> google buzz 的严重安全漏洞！
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> http://www.google.com/buzz/102291835965130378165/GfWdF9i82Nk
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> please reshare
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> also upvote this related slashdot submission: http://slashdot.org/submission/1482584/Severe-security-flaw-of-Google-Buzz-discovered


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[03:52] <lifeless> stub: around ?
[04:44] <stub> Morning
[04:44] <stub> lifeless: pong
[04:45] <lifeless> how do I log into the produciton launchpad now ?
[04:45] <lifeless> to to imports
[04:45] <lifeless> to do.
[04:50] <stub> I haven't the foggiest
[05:14] <lifeless> argh.
[05:21] <lifeless> stub: so, how do I change a database into unicode on the fly ?
[05:21] <stub> You don't as far as I know
[05:21] <lifeless> garh
[05:21] <stub> You dump it, drop it, create it and restore it
[09:18] <lifeless> I'm about to head home and so on.. if you see stevea/sabdfl, can you ping them for me... ?
[10:37] <stub> SteveA: Robert Collins (lifeless): I'm about to head home and so on.. if you see stevea/sabdfl, can you ping them for me... ?
[10:38] <stub> lifeless was not able to log into the production launchpad to do imports
[10:43] <ddaa> I'm about to ask some pretty stupid launchpad/imports questions on the mailing list, unless somebody can help me.
[10:43] <ddaa> Here are my issues:
[10:44] <ddaa> I want to setup a test environment for imports on my workstation.
[10:44] <SteveA> hello
[10:46] <ddaa> I am able to import info files. But launchpad do not show up in the "do not use" product where the infoImporter put them (I checked there were indeed imported SourceSource objects for this product).
[10:46] <SteveA> hmm
[10:46] <SteveA> if I'm to help, I need some more background information
[10:46] <SteveA> I have never used the "importer" parts of launchpad
[10:47] <ddaa> Also, the rocketfuel launchpad keeps asking for user/pass, and I have no idea where that info is stored.
[10:47] <SteveA> i should also point out that it is 1C outside, and the heating folks havent turned on the heating here yet
[10:47] <SteveA> so I am dressed for outside
[10:47] <SteveA> user/pass is stored in the database
[10:48] <ddaa> SteveA: afaik, nobody except lifeless and I (who wrote it back in London) ever used that shit. I actually had to unbreak it for the Product refactorings before it would run.
[10:48] <SteveA> hmm
[10:49] <SteveA> so, I can help with getting the auth stuff working
[10:49] <SteveA> you need to be using an email address / password combination that is in the database
[10:49] <ddaa> The big picture is "get a test environment for imports". Lifeless seems to thinks that's not a problem, but I never managed to get there...
[10:50] <SteveA> or sighs even
[10:50] <ddaa> Okay, lemme put the stuff up and dig into the database schema to figure out what you mean.
[11:00] <mdz> spiv: ping?
[11:04] <mdz> spiv: please follow up on #1922 when you're around
[11:12] <ddaa> SteveA: Okay, I found emails and (hashed) passwords in sampledata/current.sql. Does getting a test loging involves running john to crack the passwords? I guess there is probably a saner way...
[11:13] <ddaa> * "around."
[11:18] <Kinnison> stub: ping?
[11:19] <stub> Kinnison: pong
[11:19] <Kinnison> stub: I've just pqm-merged a new patch into schema/pending
[11:19] <stub> ddaa: look for createuser.py, somewhere in rosetta
[11:19] <Kinnison> any chance that along with any of the lucille ones still pending from the list could be applied soon?
[11:20] <stub> ta. yup - back on that in 10mins
[11:20] <Kinnison> stub: fantastic
[11:20] <ddaa> stub: processing |^H/^H-^H
[11:29] <ddaa> Okay... the createuser.py, createproject.py and createproduct.py scripts all look bitrotted: they refer to RosettaPerson instead of Person. Also I think they belong in some generic launchpad directory (maybe lib/canonical/launchpad/scripts) instead of lib/canonical/rosetta/scripts.
[11:29] <ddaa> Do you think it would make sense to fix and move those?
[11:35] <stub> Yup. I don't know if anyone is already doing that or not.
[11:36] <ddaa> I only find bitrotten tools on my path...
[11:38] <ddaa> duh... the tla experience on launchpad could massively benefit from partial inventory support...
[11:40] <ddaa> 611 source files, 5235 versions-controlled files...
[11:41] <ddaa> The difference is patchlogs and explicit ids.
[11:42] <lifeless> ddaa: re test environment - are the info files in the same database ?
[11:42] <lifeless> select count(*) from sourcesource; for instance.
[11:43] <lifeless> SteveA: yes, I know its in the database
[11:43] <lifeless> but there is this whole sync apache + launchpad
[11:43] <lifeless> I'm not sure what approach is desired, and I'm not inclined to randomly poke things in production.
[11:44] <lifeless> what I'd like is to be told 'Rob, use this password + username for editing sourcesource jobs'
[11:45] <lifeless> until then, I'm kinda up-creek-without-paddle with regard to doing imports.
[11:46] <ddaa> lifeless: yessir, it's all in launchpad_test
[11:47] <lifeless> so if you go to /doap/projects/do-not-use-info-imports/unassigned/+sources/ what do you see ?
[11:48] <ddaa> "   A system error occurred."
[11:49] <lifeless> prefix the path with cd ~/botslave
[11:49] <lifeless> PYTHONPATH=~/buildbot/launchpad/lib:~/buildbot/launchpad/lib/canonical/sourcerer/util twistd -f buildbot.tap
[11:49] <lifeless> oh bah
[11:49] <lifeless> ++skin++Debug
[11:50] <lifeless> prefix it with that, will give you the traceback
[11:50] <lifeless> you may ned to run make enable-debugging or something first
[11:50] <SteveA> lifeless: you want a username and password to use that authenticates you with launchpad?
[11:51] <lifeless> and lets me edit all the existing sync jobs.
[11:51] <lifeless> and finally, that apache will let through.
[11:51] <ddaa> lme
[11:52] <SteveA> I think ken manheimer wrote that
[11:53] <SteveA> Can you move the apache in question to using certificates?
[11:55] <lifeless> I'm happy for that to be done, have no access to do so
[11:55] <ddaa> Interesting, it raises when trying to get the 'Debug' skin... let's try w/o the debug skin thing...
[11:56] <carlos> morning
[11:56] <ddaa> (the difference is that I'm using port 8089, I just realised how it was meant to be used)
[11:56] <SteveA> lifeless: what domain name and port do you use to access launchpad for imports?
[11:57] <lifeless> https://macquarie.warthogs.hbd.com/launchpad/
[11:57] <lifeless> ok, logging out now...
[11:59] <ddaa> The error from: doap/projects/do-not-use-info-imports/unassigned/+sources/
[11:59] <ddaa>   File "/home/david/home/devel/canonical/dists/launchpad/lib/canonical/launchpad/database/sourcesource.py", line 196, in __getitem__
[11:59] <ddaa>     return ss[0]
[11:59] <ddaa>   File "/home/david/home/devel/canonical/dists/launchpad/lib/sqlobject/main.py", line 1238, in __getitem__
[11:59] <ddaa>     return list(self.clone(start=start, end=start+1))[0]
[11:59] <ddaa> IndexError: list index out of range
[12:00] <SteveA> spiv: ping
[12:00] <ddaa> However I do not get into postmortem, looks like it happens in some thread...
[12:00] <SteveA> spiv owns the DOAP and FOAF stuff
[12:00] <stub> Kinnison: Did you settle on a name for the distroqueue table?
[12:00] <ddaa> +1 cute and fun
[12:01] <Kinnison> stub: I don't have a preference either way. I'm happy with DistroQueue or DistroReleaseQueue. A row in the table refers to a DistroRelease but actions are taken on the aggregation of all the rows referring to DistroReleases in the same Distribution
[12:01] <SteveA> ddaa: that error says to me that the code is assuming that there is a result row.  Yet, there are no results.
[12:02] <ddaa> SteveA: I guessed that... I somehow expect people who are actually doing what I'm trying to do would have experience with my problem... I am almost certainly doing something wrong.
[12:02] <SteveA> do you have suitable stuff in your database?
[12:03] <ddaa> For some value of suitable... There are sourcesource entries for "unassigned"...
[12:03] <sabdfl> ddaa: if you create a launchpad_test db on your dev box at home
[12:03] <ddaa> sabdfl: yes
[12:03] <sabdfl> by going to launchpad/database/schema and typing make run
[12:04] <Kinnison> sabdfl: Did you ever reach a decision on whether DistroQueue or DistroReleaseQueue was preferable?
[12:04] <sabdfl> then you'll be able to login to the test system with user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and passwd test
[12:04] <SteveA> lifeless: I've mailed admins and cced you, to ask for apache auth to be changed to certificate based auth for what you're doing
[12:05] <SteveA> lifeless: now, we just need to ping elmo or thom to move this up the queue of sysadmin tasks
[12:05] <ddaa> sabdfl: works, thanks.
[12:06] <sabdfl> the plan as i understood it was to use a client cert for vpn, then user/pass for launchpad auth
[12:06] <sabdfl> ddaa: i think the Debug skin is broken at the moment, it works for me on some launchpad components, sporadically
[12:07] <ddaa> the post-mortem on port 8085 is even better. When the bt is available it drops into the debugger
[12:07] <sabdfl> Kinnison: i can well imagine that a large derivative might have people taking separate decisions on different releases
[12:08] <SteveA> sabdfl: want to do a phone call this afternoon?
[12:08] <sabdfl> SteveA: yes please
[12:09] <sabdfl> folks i did a lot of moving and renaming and reordering over the weekend
[12:09] <sabdfl> malone and doap are working on my latest code
[12:09] <sabdfl> soyuz and rosetta are broken
[12:10] <ddaa> (hm.. postmortem is on 8089...)
[12:10] <Kinnison> sabdfl: That's at the web-app level I think; I'm only talking about the automated processing through the queue as NEW etc need human intervention anyway and can be separated out on a DistroRelease basis if that's what's wanted. As I said; I can see arguments either way on the naming of the table so unless you do I'll suggest to stub to run with what I posted to the list.
[12:11] <sabdfl> please go with distroreleasequeue
[12:11] <Kinnison> stub: got that?
[12:11] <sabdfl> ddaa: stevea will update the skins code today, so we have the server listening on three ports
[12:12] <stub> Already going with that. I'm learning to channel Mark (at least on sensible decisions ;) )
[12:12] <Kinnison> stub: Fantastic
[12:12] <sabdfl> one gives you normal behaviour, one gives postmortem-debugger, one gives debug skin with tracebacks
[12:12] <ddaa> Goodness.
[12:12] <sabdfl> stub: will be sure to refer to you when i'm unclear on my own opinions :-)
[12:13] <ddaa> Writing up my experience as I go. I'll update the ImportProcess page eventually.
[12:13] <sabdfl> daf in NYC yet?
[12:13] <Kinnison> I thought his flight was last night; so I'd assume he's asleep now
[12:13] <sabdfl> cool. lucky boy
[12:14] <SteveA> lifeless: does pqm run 'make check' on merges to the 'launchpad' category, and merge only if the exit code is 0 ?
[12:36] <lifeless> ddaa: btw got deadlocks in the new code
[12:37] <lifeless> SteveA: yes it does
[12:37] <lifeless> ok, packing up to go home
[12:39] <sabdfl> stub: did you use my updated, commented version of the infestation table proposal?
[12:40] <stub> From pending? Yep
[12:42] <sabdfl> ok, thanks
[12:47] <carlos> sabdfl: where should be moved the Schema and Label class? (at this moment they are inside dlalo.py)
[12:48] <sabdfl> carlos:  canonical/launchpad/database/schema.py
[12:48] <sabdfl> that can hold both of them
[12:48] <carlos> ok
[12:48] <sabdfl> as well as supporting classes like "SchemaSet" if they exist
[12:48] <carlos> thanks
[12:49] <carlos> it exists as Schemas, but I will rename it.
[12:51] <ddaa> lifeless: I'd need more info about the deadlocks. The only one I identified can not actually occur since the sync-queue size in unlimited (well, should be).
[01:45] <Kinnison> sabdfl: Would it be reasonable to add to SourcepackagePublishing a datepublished column like PackagePublishing has? Also then; is it reasonable to dual-task that column based on the state column. (To provide a time-to-delete type value for packages PendingRemoval from the release?
[01:46] <sabdfl> Kinnison: rather add two columns, datecreated and scheduleddeletiondate
[01:46] <sabdfl> weloveshortdieldnames
[01:46] <sabdfl> field, even
[01:46] <Kinnison> sabdfl: 'created' is a bit of a difficult column to fill
[01:47] <sabdfl> Kinnison: am still trying to find the crack in my reorg
[01:47] <Kinnison> sabdfl: entries are created in the table pending publication
[01:47] <sabdfl> right.... datepublished
[01:47] <Kinnison> okay
[01:47] <Kinnison> sabdfl: okay, so I'll add 'scheduleddeletiondate' to packagepublishing and the two columns to sourcepackagepublishing
[01:48] <Kinnison> sabdfl: I'm going to start a Lucille/ subsection of the wiki if that's okay? (wiki.canonical.com naturally)
[03:11] <Kinnison> can I get some sanity checking on https://wiki.canonical.com/Lucille_2fPublishingNotes if anyone has a moment?
[03:25] <Kinnison> Whose is the librarian?
[03:28] <ddaa> Kinnison: I know how that feels :-)
[03:28] <Kinnison> ddaa?
[03:29] <ddaa> Had
[03:29] <ddaa> a
[03:29] <ddaa> quick look at it, but I do not know what it is about...
[03:29] <Kinnison> Aah; I know what it's about
[03:29] <Kinnison> I was just wondering who wrote it so I could ask if they have any pending changes for it before I launch a pqm assault
[03:31] <ddaa> ?????????????
[03:31] <ddaa> duh, the sources suddenly appeared in launchpad...
[03:32] <Kinnison> problem?
[03:33] <ddaa> Previously the sourcesource imported from info files did not show up in doap...
[03:33] <ddaa> Now it does, for no apparent reason.
[03:33] <Kinnison> aah
[03:40] <ddaa> Looks like one has to start launchpad _after_ running infoImporter...
[03:41] <ddaa> Merely refreshing the page is not enough, launchpad must me restarted if it's already running.
[03:46] <ddaa> What's the trick to log in into launchad so I stop getting "zope.security.interfaces.Unauthorized" exceptions?
[03:46] <Kinnison><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:46] <ddaa> I'm asking for the trick to get the place to enter that information...
[03:47] <Kinnison> Oh right
[03:47] <Kinnison> not a clue
[03:48] <ddaa> That stuff breaks for every single step I take... it's getting annoying.
[03:51] <ddaa> Mhh... apparently I'm logged in a Foo Bar already, that's what shows in +addsources page, although it does not show in unassigned page... maybe that part of the reason why the sources suddenly appeared too...
[03:53] <ddaa> haha... the infoImporter sets the sourcesource.owner to lifeless... that's probably what breaks... It might work better with Foo Bar...
[04:02] <BradB> sabdfl: Did you add a note somewhere on the Wiki about how to propose db changes? If not, I'll do so now, and add it under Developer Resources on https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad_2fDevelopmentEnvironment.
[04:03] <BradB> sabdfl: The goal is to collect everything I (for i in launchpad_developers) need to know about Doing The Right Thing while doing Launchpad development.
[04:03] <BradB> In one easy-to-find place.
[04:06] <ddaa> Making progresses... I get a different error now...
[04:10] <ddaa> spiv: ping...
[04:27] <Kinnison> hey cprov
[04:27] <Kinnison> cprov: is gina in launchpad yet?
[04:27] <kiko> hey Kinnison
[04:28] <BradB> The Makefile to create and init the launchpad_test DB seems to be broken. When I 'sudo -u postgres make', I get: createlang: language installation failed: ERROR:  could not access file "$libdir/plpython": No such file or directory, but I don't see anything on launchpad@ that tells me to expect that breakage. Anyone else seeing that problem? (I last star-merged about an hour and a half ago.)
[04:29] <kiko> BradB, could it be you don't have plpython installed into your pgsql?
[04:30] <cprov> Kinnison: hi, yes I hope :), lib/canonical/launchpad/scripts
[04:30] <BradB> That looks like the problem, yes. :) The thing is, this was working fine before though.
[04:30] <Kinnison> cprov: Cool. I've fixed the librarian so that it works. I'd like to consider getting gina to upload files into it so we can start testing it
[04:30] <BradB> So someone seems to have added that dependency, for reasons of which I'm not entirely clear.
[04:31] <Kinnison> BradB: stub is writing complex validation functions in plpython
[04:31] <cprov> Kinnison: fine, you should run gina in zhongshan or another good machine from DC, ask elmo_
[04:31] <Kinnison> cprov: *nod* Elmo was going to be setting up a machine for me
[04:31] <kiko> Kinnison, he's trying to scare us off from launchpad by adding incomprehensible DB spachetti
[04:32] <Kinnison> elmo_: how long will it be before I can have a machine to build a db on?
[04:32] <Kinnison> kiko: hehe
[04:32] <BradB> It'd have been nice to know about this dep being added, and for what reason (i.e. on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[04:32] <kiko> spachetti!
[04:33] <kiko> BradB, yeah, actually, the makefile could just test and complain about it for you, how does that sound?
[04:33] <BradB> It'd be more useful for it to do that, yeah.
[04:34] <cprov> Kinnison: btw, how to reactive rev-lib support on ARCH ? I've removed my .{arch}/=revision-library days ago :)
[04:34] <cprov> Kinnison: just recreate it will solve ?
[04:36] <kiko> it's LEILO!
[04:37] <Kinnison> cprov: I think so
[04:38] <cprov> Kinnison: tks
[04:41] <kiko> how's it moving lalo
[04:42] <lalo> not terribly excitingly :-)
[04:53] <ddaa> cprov: just register the revlib again
[04:53] <ddaa> the revlib options are stored inside the revlib.
[04:54] <ddaa> I assume you are not using any of the multiple revlib voodoo which I do not know how it works and which is documented nowhere I am aware of :-)
[04:56] <cprov> ddaa: yep, I' ve done it, thanks
[04:57] <cprov> ddaa: but I' m still waiting the star-merge started 40 minutes ago :(
[04:57] <ddaa> Sounds like you should have a local mirror.
[04:57] <ddaa> Ha... star-merge w/o a greedy revlib hurts sometimes.
[04:58] <cprov> ddaa: exactly !!
[04:58] <ddaa> But then there should be some cachedrevs along the history...
[04:59] <ddaa> if you feel like finding abentley and helping him write regression tests for the backbuilder, I'm sure that would be appreciated.
[05:00] <cprov> ddaa: sorry, I didn' t undestand what you mean ? "him" who ?
[05:00] <ddaa> abentley
[05:01] <ddaa> The sane arch devel Canonical could not hire...
[05:01] <cprov> ddaa: aaeron ? ohh yes ... :)
[05:02] <ddaa> aaron
[05:02] <cprov> ddaa: I've never seen him here,  I think, just the patches on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:03] <ddaa> He's not on the staff.
[05:04] <ddaa> so he's got no business being here. You can find him on #arch.
[05:04] <cprov> ddaa: ok, I' ll look for him.
[05:15] <lalo> you guys?
[05:15] <carlos> lalo: hey
[05:16] <lalo> hello carlos :-)
[05:21] <carlos> lalo: how is going?
[05:22] <lalo> not too bad :-)
[05:22] <lalo> forgot how much I *hate* looking for job
[05:23] <kiko> you should think of that *before* quitting your last one <wink>
[05:23] <lalo> :-)
[05:23] <lalo> good advice
[05:32] <BradB> spiv: Can you sanity check my changes to https://wiki.canonical.com/SQLObjectGuide?
[05:34] <BradB> I'm still a bit worried that we keep using dbName everywhere, and wonder why some people seem to get errors when that param isn't specified (particularly with the column name is identical to the property name...of course there are some namings of FK's and such for which we need to pass dbName explicitly, but 95% of the time shouldn't need to.)
[05:34] <BradB> s,with the,when the,
[05:39] <daf> I think specifying the dbName was a matter of "explicit is better than implicit"
[05:40] <daf> I don't know of any errors accounted by not having it, though
[05:40] <BradB> sabdfl claims he had errors due to it
[05:41] <BradB> Explicit is better than implicit, but when the API is documented, at some point too much explictness becomes just another place to introduce a bug in one's code.
[06:05] <kiko> explicitness also makes the channel non-pg-13 safe
[06:10] <kiko> elmo_?
[06:14] <daf> mako and I are having some net connection trouble
[06:14] <daf> we might be offline for a while
[06:19] <SteveA> daf: are you running the tests?
[06:21] <sabdfl> Kinnison: lucille page on the wiki would be excellent
[06:22] <Kinnison> sabdfl: I've started punting notes onto the wiki already
[06:22] <sabdfl> Kinnison: spiv ownz the librarian
[06:22] <Kinnison> sabdfl: they're a little braindumpish currently
[06:22] <Kinnison> sabdfl: But comments on the Lucille/PublishingNotes page would be nice
[06:23] <sabdfl> BradB: note about db update process on wiki would be excellent
[06:24] <carlos> sabdfl: Could I move Language, SpokenIn and Country objects into database/language.py?
[06:25] <sabdfl> absolutely agree that we want the wiki to consolidate the launchpad knowledge
[06:31] <SteveA> darn... there are changes that I know I made with daf on Friday that aren't in RF.
[06:32] <sabdfl> bradb: agree that having to specify the name in both places is unnecesary, but is has been faiing if i didn't
[06:32] <sabdfl> carlos: maybe put country in its own file, language and spokenin in a language.py file
[06:33] <carlos> ok
[06:40] <cprov> BradB: I' ve got the same problem with DB make, let's ask elmo ...
[06:42] <BradB> cprov: The dep on plpython is clear, it's just that the annoyance caused by the unexpected intro of that has already cost me a good hour trying to get pgsql recompiled with plpython support.
[06:44] <cprov> BradB: :0 !!
[06:45] <BradB> I'll be updating the Wiki today to mention this dep too. :)
[06:45] <sabdfl> BradB: i have a language installation thing in the db makefile that was breaking for me, so i commented it out
[06:45] <sabdfl> i committed that change, maybe it's needed elsewhere
[06:46] <sabdfl> hmm... i see it's come back
[06:46] <BradB> yeah, stub's writing complex validation stuff in python; that's what it's needed for
[06:47] <sabdfl> it's failing to Make for me
[06:47] <sabdfl> do i need to install another language module from apt?
[06:47] <BradB> sabdfl: You need plpython support compiled into postgresql.
[06:47] <BradB> I've finally got mine going.
[06:47] <sabdfl> is it not compiled into the warty postgres?
[06:48] <BradB> dunno
[06:49] <Kinnison> sabdfl: I intend to visit my parents once Warty is released to install it on their computer. As such, I'll be working a Friday and Monday from their house in wales (they have ADSL) will that be okay? [Fri 22nd, Mon 25th, Oct]
[06:49] <sabdfl> Kinnison: no problem
[06:49] <sabdfl> musical chairs
[06:49] <sabdfl> df wales -> nyc
[06:49] <Kinnison> sabdfl: Aye
[06:50] <sabdfl> kinnison cambridge -> wales
[06:50] <sabdfl> mako?
[06:50] <Kinnison> sabdfl: I'm being bugged by my father to give him a date when I'll convert him from Windows :-)
[06:50] <sabdfl> no date could be soon enouhg :-)
[06:51] <Kinnison> My mother hates computers but has to use them; my father is an old-school geek and just wants things to stop breaking.
[06:52] <BradB> The Makefile is also checking incorrectly for the existence of the database. This has to do with the way that wc prints its output (which is indented, and has one space on the end.)
[07:08] <BradB> sabdfl: presumably it would be useful if I fixed product release infestations (at the least, a vocab that has moved has broken the interface) and implemented source package release infestations today, correct?
[07:11] <sabdfl> BradB|lunch: i have one of them working last night
[07:49] <BradB> sabdfl: Something's broken about it now (probably because ProductRelease was moved out of site), so I'll fix it now.
[07:49] <sabdfl> ok. sorry about that. we really need those page tests!
[07:50] <dilys> Bug 2096 resolved: Schema class needed by Person class but it's not in place
[07:50] <dilys> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2096
[07:51] <BradB> sabdfl: I'd do one for the infestation stuff right now, but I don't think SteveA or daf have documented it on the wiki, so that I can remind myself of what they told us Friday night. :)
[07:52] <sabdfl> yeah, my memory of friday night is "cool!" but no idea how to implement
[07:53] <BradB> I remember having to start and connect to a proxy, but I need details. ;)
[07:54] <sabdfl> i think tonight i'm going to try to get productrelease and productseries smacked
[07:54] <sabdfl> then i need to turn my attention to the RC for a few days
[07:54] <sabdfl> then you'll have me back for the weekend
[08:12] <SteveA> I'll be checking in some page tests before the end of tonight
[08:12] <SteveA> and writing some docs
[08:13] <daf> I have written some docs
[08:13] <daf> I am waiting for PQM to do its thing before I send them to the list
[08:14] <SteveA> daf: please send me the docs, not the list, at first.  I'm going to be changing a couple of things.
[08:14] <daf> hmm, ok
[08:14] <daf> I've made a couple of changes which are in the PQM queue
[08:16] <SteveA> daf: I noticed that some of the changes we made on Friday weren't in RF
[08:16] <SteveA> like the new names for the skin interfaces
[08:16] <daf> right
[08:16] <daf> those are also in this merge
[08:17] <daf> hmm, seems like a temporary problem with mail on this end
[08:30] <SteveA> I find it strange that the .css files are under canonical/launchpad/templates
[08:43] <BradB> sabdfl: Oh, I'll add a note to the Wiki on how to structure ZCML files too.
[08:50] <BradB> sabdfl: In fixing this ProductRelease vocab lookup bug, caused by not including productrelease.zcml, I'm getting config conflicts with stuff in lib/canonical/malone/sql.zcml. Just to be sure then, *all* ZCML should live under lib/canonical/launchpad/zcml/ then?
[08:50] <SteveA> all ZCML that is to do with content and its views
[08:51] <SteveA> that is, if you have a Product sqlobject class, it is descirbed by IProduct, and configured with product.zcml
[08:51] <SteveA> but, do not move the other zcml that glues the rest of launchpad together
[08:53] <BradB> IOW, to solve this conflict, the stuff from lib/canonical/malone/sql.zcml should be merged into this productrelease.zcml.
[08:57] <SteveA> hi
[08:57] <jblack> hi. What's up?
[08:58] <SteveA> I think I want to do an undo-replay kind of thing
[08:58] <SteveA> I have been hacking on various code in my treee
[08:58] <jblack> Ok
[08:58] <SteveA> and now I'd like to sync with RF before tidying up my code wrt latest RF and commiting it
[08:58] <jblack> easily done.
[08:58] <SteveA> that is, I'd like to commit a new sync with RF before committing my changes
[08:58] <jblack> tla undo;  do the star merge stuff, commit; tla redo
[08:58] <jblack> :)
[08:59] <SteveA> what will tla undo do to files I have not yet tla added ?
[08:59] <jblack> It should handle them fine, but double check to make sure.
[09:00] <jblack> Theres an alternative if your nervous.
[09:00] <jblack> Do another get in another dir, star-merge there and commit.
[09:00] <jblack> then, go back to your old work tree, and tla replay
[09:00] <SteveA> hmm... when I do a tree-lint, I get this:
[09:00] <SteveA> These files would be source but lack inventory ids (`tla add' or a tagline perhaps?):
[09:00] <SteveA> lib/canonical/launchpad--devel--0--patch-59.patches
[09:00] <SteveA>
[09:01] <jblack> Ok. Then undo doesn't handle new files right.
[09:01] <jblack> Do the alternative way.
[09:01] <SteveA> I haven't undone yet
[09:01] <SteveA> I haven't done anything yet
[09:01] <jblack> Oh.
[09:01] <SteveA> that's just sitting there now
[09:01] <jblack> then tla add them.
[09:01] <daf> SteveA: the CSS files didn't use to be there
[09:01] <daf> SteveA: they used to be in lp/styles, I think
[09:02] <SteveA> jblack: oh, I know what that is
[09:02] <SteveA> jblack: ok, I'll try the undo -> star-merge -> redo
[09:02] <jblack> oK.
[09:02] <jblack> tla add the new files before you undo though.
[09:22] <carlos> dinner time, see you later
[09:25] <Kinnison> Dinner sounds like an excellent plan
[09:34] <BradB> cprov: Yeah, same as before, ya gotta recompile postgres. :)
[09:35] <BradB> ./configure --with-python ...
[09:37] <BradB> cprov: Are you also noticing that the db exists check is incorrect and will claim that DB exists even if it doesn't, and then fails later saying the db doesn't exist?
[09:39] <cprov> BradB: yep, this failure I know :) but recompile Postgresql looks very bad im my point of view :(
[09:40] <BradB> yep, it was very bad from my point of view too :/
[09:40] <cprov> BradB: is there a way to exclude the plpython support from our code ?
[09:41] <BradB> I think in that case you'd want to just comment out the relevant bits of the Makefile
[09:41] <BradB> lines 25-29
[09:43] <cprov> BradB: can you briefly explain why do we need plpython ? and what is expectable by just comment the makefile lines ?
[09:44] <BradB> From what others have told me, it's because stub is writing some complex validation stuff in the DB and wants to do so in Python.
[09:45] <BradB> This may cause breakage when the DB tries to fire off some constraint that is a python function that doesn't exist. I'm not sure, it hasn't yet happened to me.
[09:46] <cprov> BradB: I'll follow you by now ... let's see what happens ... better than do nothing :), thank you for your explanantion
[09:50] <SteveA> thanks jblack, the undo-redo thing worked just fine
[09:54] <sabdfl> can the python language be a module? I see several pg language packages in aptitude, but not a python one
[09:55] <sabdfl> seems that we should have this for warty so our dev team does not each end up recompiling postgres
[09:58] <Kinnison> sabdfl: I have a warty box and it works fine for me
[09:58] <Kinnison> sabdfl: I just had to increase my personal postgres privs
[09:58] <Kinnison> well; it creates the language okay; I guess I don't know if it's working or not
[10:00] <Kinnison> and the following is in the postgresql package: /usr/lib/postgresql/lib/plpython.so
[10:02] <kiko> wow, SteveA, nice work man!
[10:03] <kiko> Kinnison, yes, it's just a matter of giving privs to the user to create languages in the DB.
[10:03] <sabdfl> Kinnison: ah, maybe it's just a privileges thing
[10:04] <BradB> To see if you have plpython support, look in `pg_config --pkglibdir`
[10:04] <sabdfl> sudo -u postgres createlang -d launchpad_test plpythonu
[10:04] <sabdfl> worked just fine
[10:04] <sabdfl> but the make still fails because it does it as my local users
[10:04] <sabdfl> user
[10:04] <kiko> exactly
[10:04] <kiko> you need to grant to your user specific privs
[10:04] <sabdfl> maybe it should TEST if you have Python installed, and if not fail telling you to install it yourself as described above
[10:05] <kiko> sabdfl, yes, exactly my suggestion to bradb a while back
[10:05] <sabdfl> kiko: the sudo command does it as postgres superuser
[10:05] <sabdfl> has anyone mailed stub?
[10:05] <sabdfl> or modified the makefile?
[10:07] <BradB> I'll mail stub.
[10:07] <daf> hmm, looks like PQM is wedged again
[10:08] <sabdfl> thanks bradb
[10:09] <sabdfl> ok, tonight i plan on finishing of productseries and productrelease
[10:09] <sabdfl> won't have librarian integration (i.o.w. it won't actually let you upload the release)
[10:09] <sabdfl> but i think i know who might be best suited to fix that
[10:09] <sabdfl> spiv: when i'm done tonight, you become the king-of-doap, ok?
[10:11] <spiv> sabdfl: Ok.
[10:11] <daf> for some reason, I now have an image of spiv as a drugs baron
[10:14] <daf> SteveA: looks like a merge from you broke PQM
[10:14] <daf> (elmo has fixed it now)
[10:16] <Kinnison> sabdfl: alter user sabdfl with createdb createuser | sudo -u postgres psql template1
[10:16] <Kinnison> sabdfl: then it should work
[10:16] <Kinnison> (assuming I got the alter-user syntax right)
[10:18] <sabdfl> Kinnison: thanks
[10:18] <daf> Kinnison: don't you mean: echo 'alter ...
[10:19] <Kinnison> daf: yeah yeah
[10:19] <BradB> This new ZCML layout is making configuration so much simpler.
[10:19] <Kinnison> it's 21:20 and I've just had dinner. My stomach has all the blood right now
[10:19] <sabdfl> Kinnison: spot on
[10:19] <daf> where did you put the food then?
[10:20] <sabdfl> BradB: you're welcome :-)
[10:20] <Kinnison> daf: On my left nipple; clearly
[10:20] <BradB> sabdfl: heh, thanks :)
[10:20] <SteveA> daf: oh darn... forgot to mirror *again*
[10:20] <daf> SteveA: that's so not cool
[10:21] <daf> ;)
[10:21] <SteveA> daf: lifeless said he'd fix it like a week ago
[10:22] <daf> SteveA: is there any reason for you not to use a script which does the mirror before sending the merge request?
[10:22] <SteveA> oh well... I'll merge, test, commit, mirror and submit
[10:25] <BradB> SteveA: You make arch sound so easy. :P
[10:26] <SteveA> it'll be the latest dance in nightclubs
[10:26] <SteveA> do the tla merge
[10:29] <daf> it's just a commit to the left
[10:29] <daf> and then a mirror to right
[10:30] <daf> put your hands on your archive
[10:30] <sabdfl> put your hands on your hips
[10:30] <daf> and star-merge your knees in tight
[10:30] <sabdfl> kiss your code good nigh-igh-igh-ight
[10:30] <daf> mmm, arch filk
[10:39] <sabdfl> spiv: before assuming the mantle of doap-king, could i ask you to act as dealer?
[10:39] <sabdfl> need you to add support for the extra fields to add/edit forms that are not currently there
[10:39] <sabdfl> in addition, the sourceforgeproject and freshmeatproject fields
[10:40] <sabdfl> so that we can fully describe these suckers when we go live
[10:40] <sabdfl> don't worry about the sourceforge scraping api, just gather the project name
[10:41] <daf> SteveA: you called the debug skin "DebugLayer", but the other class names end in Skin
[10:41] <daf> SteveA: which is canonical?
[10:42] <sabdfl> i think a skin is made up of layers
[10:42] <SteveA> they should all be "Layer"
[10:42] <SteveA> and the module should be layers.py really
[10:42] <daf> shall I make the change?
[10:42] <SteveA> there isn't such a distinction between skins and layers
[10:42] <SteveA> yes please
[10:43] <SteveA> in fact, there is no difference at all
[10:43] <SteveA> it is just a hang-over from the way plone / cmf works, which this was modeled on originally
[10:43] <SteveA> I'll change the "newskin" attribute of suburl to be "newlayer" too
[10:43] <SteveA> but not tonight
[10:49] <daf> SteveA: shall I do that too?
[10:49] <daf> SteveA: it doesn't seem difficult
[10:50] <SteveA> if you like
[10:50] <daf> see you tomorrow
[10:50] <sabdfl> night SteveA
[11:17] <BradB> Presumably bugpackagerelease.zcml can also include the container configurations?


[04:21] <mup> Bug #1811537 changed: Extremely Slow kernel/initrd/squashfs Transfers due to nginx sendfile on <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1811537>
[04:21] <mup> Bug #1818267 changed: SMART drives do not always support the conveyance test <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1818267>
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1811537 opened: Extremely Slow kernel/initrd/squashfs Transfers due to nginx sendfile on <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1811537>
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1818267 opened: SMART drives do not always support the conveyance test <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1818267>
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1811537 changed: Extremely Slow kernel/initrd/squashfs Transfers due to nginx sendfile on <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1811537>
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1818267 changed: SMART drives do not always support the conveyance test <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1818267>
[12:35] <mup> Bug #2011180 opened: package maas (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: new maas package pre-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1 <amd64> <apport-package> <focal> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2011180>
[19:37] <mup> Bug #2011621 opened: maas deprecation of postgres 12 on focal <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2011621>


[04:44] <Yagisan> hmm, when did ltsp-server get a dependency on openbsd-inetd ?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> Yagisan: recently
[04:45] <Yagisan> :/
[04:45] <Burgundavia> file a bug
[04:45] <Yagisan> its causing "issues" with the edgy -> feisty upgrade
[04:46] <Burgundavia> file a bug
[04:48] <Yagisan> Burgundavia, looking to see if it has already been reported - lp isn't exactly what I consider user friendly
[04:48] <Burgundavia> hey, it is what we have
[04:50] <Yagisan> I know - I've been trying to use it since hoary
[04:52] <Yagisan> there we go. Bug #77041
[04:52] <Yagisan> now to investigate why my raid enabled system does not boot on amd64 feisty
[04:53] <kgoetz> Yagisan: was nice knowing you ;)
[04:54] <Yagisan> (I was far more active here when I had more time - alas, its all taken up these days :/)
[04:59] <Yagisan> found it. Bug #75052 :/
[11:20] <cstextiles> Trying to install Edubuntu 6.06 But it stops at 50% for about one hour at "Building LTSP chroot" Option
[11:21] <kgoetz> cstextiles: is the teh live cd, or the text mode installer?
[11:24] <cstextiles> It is not a live cd but installer
[11:24] <cstextiles> does Edubuntu comes with a Live CD?
[11:24] <kgoetz> i hear it does, but i dont /know/ for sure
[11:24] <cstextiles> well i did not got the Live CD
[11:24] <kgoetz> when its diong the 'building ltsp chroot' bit, press alt+f4
[11:25] <cstextiles> What that will do?
[11:25] <kgoetz> and look at whats being printed onto your screen, it might help track down the problem
[11:25] <kgoetz> show you the logs
[11:25] <cstextiles> Thanks actually today I am not at that system but this might help me
[11:25] <cstextiles> And yes one more probs
[11:26] <cstextiles> When I am trying to install Edubuntu on my second PIII PC with 256 MB RAm then it cannot detect Network Card?
[11:26] <Amaranth> kgoetz: edubuntu's livecd is desktop only
[11:26] <kgoetz> what sort of network card is it?
[11:26] <cstextiles> Realtek
[11:26] <kgoetz> Amaranth: oh, ok. thanks for letting me know :)
[11:27] <kgoetz> realtek not working? :|
[11:27] <kgoetz> um
[11:27] <cstextiles> The version of Edubuntu is 6.06
[11:27] <cstextiles> that network card is properly detected by other OS
[11:28] <kgoetz> does the system install? it might be good if you could show us the dmesg output
[11:30] <cstextiles> OK I am working from the same machine this error can be shown by me as I am working on the same machine
[11:31] <cstextiles> I will logout and relogin to this IRC channel after 15 minutes to give u output of this network card?
[11:31] <kgoetz> that would be good, tahks
[11:31] <kgoetz> syslog is probalby the main thing to see
[11:32] <cstextiles> well the system does not install
[11:32] <kgoetz> oh. :o
[11:32] <kgoetz> ok.
[11:33] <cstextiles> so will I be able to see the output at the screen
[11:34] <kgoetz> yes, should be. if you look at f4
[11:36] <cstextiles> ok i will logout and show u output
[11:36] <cstextiles> Bye for 5 minutes
[11:36] <kgoetz> thanks :) good luck
[11:52] <cstextiles> Initial last messages during no ethernet detection is create_node:symlink(hdb5,/dev/disc7)failed: File exists
[11:53] <cstextiles> and after that Firewire Ethernet interface is asked to which I say no and then it again seraches for Ethernet and the message comes main-menu[2169] : Debug: virtual package ethernet-card-detection
[11:54] <cstextiles> And I searched for LTSP chroot bug and I think this bug may be affecting it https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/portmap/+bug/61668
[11:55] <cstextiles> So How to clear the bug and start installing Edubuntu 6.06
[12:02] <cstextile1> LTSP chroot bug at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/portmap/+bug/61668 is affecting my Edubuntu 6.06 install as I am unable to do that install how to clear that bug and start installing?
[12:06] <cstextile1> LTSP chroot bug at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/portmap/+bug/61668 is affecting my Edubuntu 6.06 install as I am unable to do that install how to clear that bug from the ISO and start installing?
[12:17] <cstextile1> LTSP chroot bug at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/portmap/+bug/61668 is affecting my Edubuntu 6.06 install as I am unable to do that install how to clear that bug from the ISO and start installing?
[05:05] <cbx33> hey all
[05:05] <cbx33> anyone here?
[06:29] <cstextiles> LTSP chroot bug at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/portmap/+bug/61668 is affecting my Edubuntu 6.06 install as I am unable to do that install how to clear that bug from the ISO and start installing?
[06:47] <jgedeon> cstextiles: I haven't ran into that.  I've done both 6.06 and 6.10 installs.  An am currently working with 6.10 not sure if I am going to go back to 6.06.
[06:48] <cstextiles> In my machine it hangs for an hour and so cannot understand the installation
[07:12] <Amaranth> He keeps posting that, the bug he links to says it stalls the install for 5 minutes
[07:14] <jgedeon> I've never seen the bug in any of my installs I so I wasn't able to help.