[02:45] <GeekDude> I'm having a ton of problems with external displays on my ThinkPad e550. I have two displays connected via a docking station, and they are seen by the display manager/configurator. They are enabled and set to extend (though mirroring has the same problem). Mostly they either stay idle, or show as active but completely black. If I fool around with the settings long enough they sometimes turn on properly, but
[02:45] <GeekDude> this seems to be rare
[03:20] <briedy1> I am having trouble with sound. My volume control says no output devices are available
[03:20] <briedy1> any ideas on how to work that fix out?
[03:21] <GeekDude> briedy1: I don't suppose a reboot will help?
[03:21] <briedy1> no, I have done that several times..
[03:22] <GeekDude> Does `sudo lshw -C multimedia` show any audio devices?
[03:23] <briedy1> *-multimedia                      description: Audio device        product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller        vendor: Intel Corporation        physical id: 1b        bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0        version: 02        width: 64 bits        clock: 33MHz        capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list        configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0        resources: irq:28 memory:febfc000-febfffff
[03:24] <GeekDude> What version of Xubuntu are you running?
[03:25] <briedy1> 16.10
[03:26] <GeekDude> If you run alsamixer from the terminal and press F6 (select sound card) is it listed there?
[03:27] <briedy1> Yes, it says HDA INTEL
[03:28] <GeekDude> This page is probably more help than me https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[03:28] <briedy1> Thanks GeekDude!
[03:29] <GeekDude> It should be pretty much entirely applicable to Xubuntu as well
[03:53] <Rarrikins> briedy1: Messing around in `pavucontrol` might allow you to enable things.
[03:54] <Rarrikins> briedy1: Check, in the Configuration tab, that it's set to Duplex. Then, check in Output Devices that it's set for sound.
[07:42] <xubuntu28i> Installing X³ = Xubuntu Xenial Xerus :D
[09:17] <MaxT> hi all
[09:17] <MaxT> happy xubuntu 16 user here
[09:18] <MaxT> pls can anyone assist ability to lock xubuntu when away from laptop
[09:18] <MaxT> anyone home?
[09:18] <MaxT> hello hello
[09:19] <MaxT> wow
[09:19] <cfhowlett> instant answers?  no that is not how this works.
[09:22] <MaxT> sorry
[09:22] <MaxT> how does it work
[09:22] <MaxT> its irc
[09:22] <MaxT> and its support
[09:22] <MaxT> check the title
[09:22] <cfhowlett> you ask a question. you be patient.
[09:22] <cfhowlett> !patience
[09:22] <MaxT> at least one can get an answer not silence
[09:23] <MaxT> oh sorry we dont know or maybe you check somewhere else
[09:23] <MaxT> sorry i cant assume
[09:23] <cfhowlett> if no one knows, no one answers.  why clog the channel.
[09:23] <MaxT> thanks anyway
[09:23] <MaxT> dont assume there are 111 people here
[09:23] <MaxT> anyway thanks
[09:23] <MaxT> ubottu thanks for the link
[09:24] <MaxT> well at least u answered
[09:24] <MaxT> :)
[10:34] <irgendwer4711> hi, in which package the start menu is in?
[10:36] <irgendwer4711> panel?
[11:39] <GeekDude> irgendwer4711: xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin ?
[11:41] <GeekDude> I'm having problems with external displays on my ThinkPad e550. I have two displays connected via a docking station, and they are seen by the display manager/configurator. Despite being enabled, they mostly stay idle, or show as active but are entirely black. If I fool around with the settings long enough they sometimes turn on properly, but this seems to be rare.
[13:09] <xubuntu57i> the installation seems stuck at the point to create boot partition.... how long to wait before switching everything off ? stuck there since half an hour now...
[13:13] <Israphel> xubuntu57i: is it an old machine?
[13:13] <xubuntu57i> not really
[13:13] <xubuntu57i> 3 years
[13:13] <Israphel> hdd used to work ok?
[13:14] <Israphel> manual partitions? automatic?
[13:15] <xubuntu57i> everything alright (with xubuntu 14 and mint) until I tried the upgrade of xubuntu to 16, didnt work and I had to use the recovery version of xubuntu 14 since then to boot
[13:15] <xubuntu57i> so now I try a new installation
[13:15] <Israphel> but right now are you doing a clean installation of xenial?
[13:15] <xubuntu57i> wiping everything out
[13:15] <Israphel> wiping partitions or keeping some?
[13:15] <xubuntu57i> yes
[13:15] <Drugo> Hello. What are the names of default gtk2/3 themes and icons in xubuntu 16.04?
[13:15] <xubuntu57i> keeping nothing
[13:15] <Israphel> Drugo: greybird!
[13:16] <Israphel> xubuntu57i: oh right. Any specific partition scheme?
[13:16] <Drugo> Israphel, also icons are named greybird?
[13:16] <Israphel> Drugo: icons are called elementary xfce darker
[13:16] <xubuntu57i> stuck saying "warning: source ID 31643 was not found when attempting to remove it"
[13:17] <xubuntu57i> then "glib.source_remove(self.rows_changed_id)
[13:17] <xubuntu57i> "
[13:17] <Drugo> Israphel, ok, thanks
[13:18] <Israphel> xubuntu57i: are you booting from cd or usb
[13:18] <xubuntu57i> usb
[13:19] <Israphel> did you created it with DD? the iso file was checked beforehand ?
[13:19] <xubuntu57i> with multisystem
[13:19] <Israphel> md5sum was ok?
[13:20] <xubuntu57i> didnt try
[13:20] <Israphel> give it a try, just to discard any posible ISO corruption
[13:20] <Israphel> if you have the same ISO you used
[13:22] <xubuntu57i> hm
[13:23] <xubuntu57i> don't know, I'll see if I still have the same file elsewhere and test it on another computer...
[13:31] <Spass> Doesn't Xubuntu have built-in check for errors in the LiveCD boot menu?
[13:32] <Spass> For the ISO errors/corruption I mean.
[13:34] <xubuntu57i> md5sum is alright
[13:35] <xubuntu57i> and installation still blocked in the same step
[13:38] <xubuntu57i> the installation I chose was complete wipeout and this new partitioning system (don't remember the name)
[13:44] <Israphel> xubuntu57i: mm, do you have a clean usb drive to try? using directly DD, no multisystem
[14:06] <xubuntu57i> whats dd ?
[14:07] <Israphel> a command to directly write images into drives (and a lot more)
[14:07] <Israphel> sudo dd if=xubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdc
[14:07] <Israphel> check your usb letter before
[14:07] <Israphel> just letter, not number
[14:09] <GeekDude> Triple check you have the right device for the of parameter. There's a reason dd is nicknamed disk destroyer
[14:10] <Israphel> oh yes, it can do a mess
[14:22] <xubuntu57i> can I use the usb for storing stuff too after dd ? or will it only be an installation pendrive then ?
[14:23] <Israphel> after you install xubuntu just format it again
[14:23] <Spass> xubuntu57i: If you are not comfortable with terminal, you can try Etcher - https://etcher.io
[14:23] <xubuntu57i> next question : if I succeed, how do I come back to this support channel ? (because I am using it from the installation window and I don't know how to come back to it from another computer)
[14:23] <xubuntu57i> oh the terminal is not the problem
[14:24] <xubuntu57i> I asked about the usb because I thought about partitioning it
[14:24] <Israphel> dd is direct binary copy
[14:24] <Israphel> it loses every partition scheme
[14:25] <xubuntu57i> ok
[14:25] <Israphel> usb installers created with dd never fails
[14:25] <Israphel> if the iso is ok and the usb drive is ok
[14:26] <xubuntu57i> so I don't have to partition it beffore then
[14:26] <xubuntu57i> to format I mean, sorryu
[14:28] <RFleming> Mornin' everyone
[14:31] <xubuntu57i> ok how to know the letter ? I am on another computer and I don't know how it is gonna be called here
[14:32] <Israphel> xubuntu57i: it doesnt matter, DD wipes everything
[14:32] <Israphel> xubuntu57i: use the command sudo fdisk -l
[14:32] <Israphel> l as in LIST
[14:32] <xubuntu57i> thanks
[14:32] <Israphel> and read carefully...
[14:33] <RFleming> Israphel: what was the question?
[14:34] <Israphel> RFleming: he is doing a live usb with DD
[14:34] <RFleming> Oooh, fun stuff.
[14:36] <xubuntu57i> she but doesn't matter
[14:36] <Israphel> oh sorry, your nick is generic
[14:40] <xubuntu57i> I imagine I need to add the path to my xubuntu iso, not just the name ?
[14:41] <xubuntu57i> alright we'll see
[14:42] <Israphel> yes
[14:42] <Israphel> or move to the folder
[14:42] <Israphel> IF is origin and OF is destination
[14:44] <xubuntu57i> seems to work
[14:45] <xubuntu57i> and how fast !
[14:45] <xubuntu57i> so now I need to know how to come back to you guys
[14:46] <xubuntu57i> because I am gonna force quit the installation that got stuck
[14:47] <xubuntu57i> and then how to come back to this forum ? from another computer maybe or maybe from the installation window in the next trial.. ?
[14:48] <Israphel> this is not a forum
[14:48] <Israphel> just connec to the irc
[14:48] <xubuntu57i> i know
[14:48] <xubuntu57i> ok am I gonna have the same name ?
[14:49] <Israphel> get yourself a nick
[14:49] <Israphel>  /nick something
[14:49] <Israphel> so we'll remember you
[14:49] <xubuntu57i> how ?
[14:50] <xubuntu57i> how to get a nick ?
[14:50] <Israphel> as I said
[14:50] <Israphel>  /nick something
[14:50] <Israphel> right here
[14:51] <Israphel> is an IRC command
[14:51] <Israphel> that's a good name
[14:51] <Israphel> my name is Cristian
[14:51] <cricri> mine Christina
[14:52] <Israphel> how cool is that
[14:52] <cricri> alright see you then
[14:52] <Israphel> in this part of the world we dropped the H for both names
[14:52] <Israphel> se you later
[14:52] <cricri> what part ?
[14:52] <Israphel> south america
[14:52] <cricri> cool
[14:53] <cricri> i am in germany right now but live also in france and spain
[14:53] <cricri> alright see you
[14:53] <Israphel> good luck!
[15:29] <cricri> ok I think this time the installation goes aheda
[15:29] <cricri> ahead
[15:29] <cricri> if so
[15:30] <cricri> do you think multisystem was the problem ?
[15:30] <cricri> because it has some advantages
[15:31] <cricri> question : can I partition a usb drive and then install with dd only on one partition ? to leave the other free and accessible for data storing ?
[15:33] <cricri> because I like to always have a live usb with me, I sometimes helped friends with a windows computer crash to recover data, the live usb is quite nice for this
[15:36] <cricri> anyway I am gonna stay connected until the installation has finished successfully
[15:54]  * RFleming sings ¿Quién es el que anda ahi?
[15:54] <RFleming> Es cri-cri.
[15:54] <Israphel> qué canción es esa
[15:55] <RFleming> Es Cri-Cri
[15:55] <RFleming> El grillito cantor
[15:56] <Israphel> debo ser muy joven
[15:56] <RFleming> si
[15:56] <RFleming> you must be :)
[15:56] <Israphel> nací en 1990
[15:57] <RFleming> https://youtu.be/tVoN07a2qHI
[15:57] <RFleming> la musica de Francisco Gabilondo Soler
[15:59] <RFleming> I see cricri, and I immediately am reminded of his songs :)
[15:59] <Israphel> es mexicano?
[16:00] <RFleming> Cricri o yo?
[16:00] <Israphel> cricri
[16:00] <RFleming> si.
[16:00] <Israphel> ah
[16:00] <Israphel> me gusta el chavo
[16:01] <RFleming> hehe
[16:01] <RFleming> https://youtu.be/KZHOeKEa1uU
[16:01] <Israphel> es el equivalente al topo gigio
[16:01] <RFleming> El Chavo del Ocho, o Animado?
[16:01] <Israphel> el real
[16:02] <Israphel> pese a los años lo sigo mirando
[16:02] <Israphel> en el canal de las estrellas (y en otros canales)
[16:02] <RFleming> Veo en YouTube
[16:21] <RFleming> Hello cricri
[16:21] <RFleming> did everything go smooth?
[16:21] <GridCube> RFleming, Israphel este es un canal en inglés y de soporte unicamente, si quieren hablar de cualquier cosa vayan a #ubuntu-es-cafe
[16:22] <RFleming> Sorry GridCube ...
[16:22] <Israphel> that was like minutes ago while we waited for people
[16:23]  * RFleming hopes we didn't distract the rest of the channel conversations with our 8 minute spanish conversation.
[16:23] <GridCube> thats irrelevant
[16:23] <Israphel> whatever
[16:23] <Israphel> cricri: is it working?
[16:24] <RFleming> GridCube: do you know anything about the xfce4-topmenu-plugin?
[16:24] <GridCube> never heard of it before
[16:25] <RFleming> puts the menu bar in the panel, and removes it from the app window
[16:25] <GridCube> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=195976
[16:25] <RFleming> like what Unity and macOS does
[16:25] <Israphel> maosx stuff
[16:25] <GridCube> yeah I figured that part
[16:25] <GridCube> just like mainbuntu does as well
[16:26] <RFleming> it's in the Canonical repos, but I'm wondering if it's 'beta' or if it's released
[16:26] <cricri> israphel : yes I am using it
[16:26] <RFleming> I ask because I'm not sure if I'm going to file a bug, or a feature request :)
[16:27] <Israphel> cool
[16:27] <cricri> but there is a problem with the software installation center (while installing with the terminal works fine)
[16:28] <Israphel> cricri: about the pendrive. I prefer to have one of them only to boot. But you can't "DD" in a partition because without the MBR it won't boot
[16:29] <cricri> turns and turns and turns without really opening, doesn't want to show even the already installed programs
[16:29] <Israphel> cricri: that shit never works
[16:29] <cricri> ok for me doesnt matter
[16:29] <cricri> just afraid that means a general problem
[16:30] <RFleming> we're talking GNOME Software Centre right?
[16:30] <cricri> yeah
[16:30] <GridCube> all ubuntu's share the same software center
[16:30] <GridCube> i mean repos
[16:30] <GridCube> there is no software in one that is not in the other
[16:31] <RFleming> cricri: you can try and change your region language
[16:31] <RFleming> any change regenerates the data
[16:31] <cricri> maybe because my computer is spanish, and so the keyboard
[16:32] <cricri> and my ubuntu language is german
[16:32] <RFleming> shouldn't matter
[16:32] <GridCube> the keyboard should not affect anything like that
[16:32] <RFleming> just change the regional language (or reinstall) and GNOME software should regenerate
[16:33] <RFleming> cricri: or just purge and reinstall
[16:33] <RFleming> (gnome-software)
[16:33] <Israphel> cricri: are you spanish?
[16:33] <cricri> no
[16:33] <Israphel> german?
[16:33] <cricri> yes
[16:34] <cricri> just bought my computer in spain
[16:34] <Israphel> and you are learning spanish or what
[16:34] <Israphel> oh
[16:34] <Israphel> you mean the keyboard
[16:34] <Israphel> now you can do this ññññññ
[16:34] <cricri> so I have to match the keyboard
[16:34] <cricri> of course ññññññññ
[16:34] <Israphel> awesome, join the club
[16:35] <Israphel> I work for a germany company called VTours
[16:35] <cricri> whats vtours
[16:35] <cricri> ?
[16:36] <Israphel> I can't read it but you can: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vtours
[16:37] <GridCube> cricri: you can use a different layout in the keyboard, what is printed on the keys is not really important
[16:37] <cricri> i know i know
[16:37] <cricri> i just put spanish keyboard because then it matches with what is written on the keys
[16:38] <Israphel> yeah but that's annoying really, specially when looking for [] {} ? ! ¡¿ "
[16:38] <cricri> then for german I switch to have some letters
[16:38] <cricri> and to french for some other letterds
[16:38] <Israphel> but germans uses the " on the bottom
[16:38] <RFleming> And Z and Y are switched
[16:38] <cricri> so which one should I use then ? ;)
[16:39] <Israphel> really?
[16:40] <cricri> alright, let's go back to the question : where should I change the language then to reset the software stuff ?
[16:40] <Israphel> and they need ß
[16:40] <Israphel> große Tier
[16:40] <Israphel> it's a notebook I guess
[16:40] <Israphel> all settings -> language support
[16:42] <Israphel> there http://i.imgur.com/0LLAGgl.png
[16:42] <Israphel> I don't know how to ignore the 2nd screen in the screenshot app
[16:51] <GridCube> you can launch the screen capture application from the menu and choose all kinds of different settings
[16:52] <Israphel> yes but "entire screen" means "all of them", there's no current screen
[16:53] <RFleming> use Window then
[16:56] <GridCube> you can always open the image on an image processor and cut it
[16:57] <GridCube> i like to use pinta or gthumb
[16:58] <Israphel> I suck with that tools
[16:59] <GridCube> select a rectangle, cut it
[16:59] <GridCube> its not neuroscience
[16:59] <Israphel> system overload
[17:02] <xXEoflaOEXx> I have 2GB of RAM in my computer, with Xubuntu and it works fine
[17:03] <Israphel> yes
[17:03] <Israphel> wait, I don't think that was a question
[17:40] <cricri> alright, I don't remember who told me to change my regional language (I am Austrian now) but it worked for the Software center
[17:40] <cricri> thanks
[17:41] <Israphel> and now you're austrian
[17:41] <Israphel> you're everywhere
[17:42] <cricri> yes
[17:42] <cricri> you too, no ?
[17:42] <Israphel> no
[17:42] <Israphel> never left the country
[17:43] <cricri> what country then....¿
[17:43] <Israphel> Argentina
[17:49] <cricri> how come you work for a german agency, and support xubuntu in english ?
[17:51] <Israphel> that's common, I work in the software industry
[17:51] <Israphel> I'm a sysadmin and now a devops
[17:52] <Israphel> there're a lot of software development companies in Argentina
[17:52] <Israphel> lot of electronics arts software is made here
[17:52] <Israphel> and disney
[17:53] <Israphel> about xubuntu support: I'm a common user, I give support and I receive support when I need it. That's how this channel works
[17:53] <cricri> cool
[17:58] <cricri> never travelled ?
[17:59] <Israphel> inside the country, yes
[17:59] <Israphel> outside no
[18:00] <Israphel> my grandfather was austrian
[18:00] <Israphel> my mother's aunts live in germany
[18:00] <cricri> would like to visit south (or middle) america but I got two dogs that are my best friends
[18:01] <cricri> austria is beautiful
[18:01] <cricri> so I travel in europe
[18:01] <cricri> and i like the spanish language
[18:01] <cricri> spent some time in andalucia
[18:02] <Israphel> yeah we don't like each other with the spanish people
[18:02] <Israphel> traveling around europe is easier, smaller countries
[18:03] <Israphel> with good and modern connections
[18:05] <cricri> I am living in my little van and travelling with, in summer I work in France in the fields and in winter I go south somewhere in Europe, to germany I only go to see family and friends, but shortly because it's quite cold here
[18:06] <cricri> and I got no heater
[18:06] <Israphel> how cool is that
[18:06] <Israphel> and what is your area of expertise
[18:07] <Israphel> the van is volkswagen?
[18:07] <cricri> to go to south america with dogs and a van is quite impossible
[18:07] <cricri> no, mercedes
[18:07] <Israphel> better yet
[18:07] <Israphel> volkswagen van here is a classic
[18:07] <Israphel> we call it "Combi"
[18:08] <cricri> yeah they are cool
[18:09] <Israphel> what kind of field work yo do
[18:11] <cricri> this year : picking cherries, apricots, plums, nuts, grapes for wine, and apples (from may to october) and in between there is work like cutting or thinning from time to time
[18:12] <Israphel> cool, I suck at field work
[18:12] <cricri> doing this kind of jobs since I quit university, I am a biologist and a sociologist in my former life..
[18:12] <Israphel> so you have degrees
[18:12] <Israphel> awesome
[18:12] <Israphel> living the dream
[18:13] <cricri> what part is the dream ?
[18:13] <Israphel> doing what you want
[18:14] <cricri> yeah now it feels quite real
[18:14] <cricri> sounds you're still dreaming
[18:14] <Israphel> if you do that here
[18:14] <Israphel> you turn into a hippie
[18:14] <cricri> who knows, maybe I'm a hippie.. ;)
[18:15] <Israphel> yeah but "hippie" here is a bad word
[18:15] <Israphel> not for me
[18:15] <cricri> I know, people always use it to describe the others
[18:15] <Israphel> I work with computers, I'm like 60% of the population, I'm not original at all
[18:16] <Israphel> I could die while harvesting blueberries
[18:17] <cricri> what is the bad hippie image in your place ? (people always use it differently)
[18:17] <cricri> blueberries ? nice death, no ?
[18:18] <Israphel> because hippie here: the don't work, they travel without their own cars, they're dirty, they use outdated clothes, they smoke weed (still illegal here)
[18:18] <Israphel> stereotype of course
[18:19] <xXEoflaOEXx> How did you get that honeycombs says about the software and hardware information (like CPU load, system uptime, etc.) as seen in the picture? http://i.imgur.com/0VPZLQM.png
[18:20] <Israphel> that honecombs are no honeycombs
[18:20] <Israphel> that's a visual representation of a molecule
[18:21] <cricri> I know some hippies from spain, they were quite annoying because they were always asking for everything, food, smoke, drink, place to sleep, ... but for me living that way means doing everything myself, repairing my van, making or collecting or recycling my food, being autonomous
[18:21] <xXEoflaOEXx> What the package name in order to get them? It looks so cool
[18:21] <Israphel> every dot is Carbon, every line is a bond, N is nitrogen, H is hydrogen and the O is oxygen
[18:21] <Israphel> the software is "conky" is HIGHLY customizable
[18:21] <Israphel> that theme in particular is called "LSD", because that's a LSD molecule
[18:22] <Israphel> cricri: germans are WAY different from spanish people
[18:22] <Israphel> and we're a mix of spanish, italian and germans/austrians
[18:22] <Israphel> germans hippies are first world hippies
[18:23] <Israphel> xXEoflaOEXx: read about conky and conky-manager
[18:25] <Israphel> I received a package from germany, but now it's stalled at customs.
[18:28] <xXEoflaOEXx> Israphel: ok
[18:31] <xXEoflaOEXx> hi
[18:32] <Israphel> hi again
[18:34] <cricri> first world hippies ? I always thought people are completely spoiled in rich countries like here (here nobody understands why I want to start back from zero), and people in your part of the world that has been ravaged by the Europeans seemed more clever because you are closer to knowing the truth about this shit system
[18:35] <Israphel> "first world hippies" because they own cars/vans, and they actually work, and they're intelligent
[18:35] <Israphel> regular hippies can't do shit
[18:36] <Israphel> Argentina likes feeling european even when we aren't
[18:36] <Israphel> we pretend, we imagine to be rich
[18:36] <Israphel> we don't like feeling poor
[18:37] <Israphel> that's why, if someone here follows your step, he'll be discrminated
[18:37] <Israphel> to be respected here you need a house, a modern car, a good job and a family
[18:38] <Israphel> that's our current situation
[18:39] <cricri> ok maybe what you say is like what the arabic people here feel : they have to pretend to be rich and "normal", they can't have holes in their clothes like I can perfectly do because I have papers, diplomas, white skin
[18:39] <Israphel> arabic people is a special case: very rich people and then "all the others", there's no middle point
[18:40] <cricri> ok I only spoke of poor immigrants
[18:40] <Israphel> that's like the story repeating itself
[18:40] <Israphel> I exist because my grandfather born in the world war II
[18:40] <Israphel> and he came here, a neutral country
[18:41] <Israphel> we exist because of the inmigrants, and we still do, they work more than us
[18:41] <krytarik> !ot
[18:41] <xunuxunu> hello people
[18:41] <Israphel> hello
[18:42] <xunuxunu> is there anyone with kind of a good knowledge base
[18:42] <xunuxunu> i would have an interesting problem to solve
[18:43] <Israphel> talk
[18:43] <flocculant> xunuxunu: just ask the question
[18:43] <flocculant> cricri Israphel - we have #xubuntu-offtopic for the non support chat :)
[18:44] <Israphel> I forgot how to PM in irc
[18:44] <knome> Israphel, /msg nick message
[18:44] <Israphel> yeah THAT
[18:44] <knome> though if it's a support question, it should be kept in the channel...
[18:44] <knome> :)
[18:45] <Israphel> lifestyle support (?)
[18:45] <Israphel> xunuxunu: you alive?
[18:45] <xunuxunu> yes
[18:45] <knome> Israphel, xubuntu support :P
[18:45] <xunuxunu> so...problem is very odd
[18:45] <Israphel> xubuntu is life
[18:45] <knome> though we do have #xubuntu-offtopic - as mentioned by flocculant - for the random chatter
[18:46] <Israphel> xunuxunu: suspense is killing me
[18:46] <xunuxunu> keyboard and mousepad of notebook randomly work and wont work
[18:46] <knome> Israphel, i've contributed to xubuntu for 8 years, but no, it's not ;)
[18:46] <Israphel> you defeated me by 2
[18:46] <xunuxunu> num lock key light is on in boot .... which is not normal i gues
[18:46] <Israphel> xunuxunu: lsusb and tell us your keyboard and touchpad models
[18:47] <Israphel> so we can google some posible reported bugs
[18:47] <mrkramps> Israphel, /mgs NICKNAME
[18:47] <mrkramps> */msg
[18:47] <mrkramps> or /query NICKNAME
[18:47] <mrkramps> and /help CMD
[18:47] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, iirc i already told you about numlock behaviour
[18:47] <Israphel> that bot has lag
[18:48] <Israphel> yeah you talked about the numlock yesterday
[18:51] <xunuxunu> yes...thats right...but no solution up to now
[18:51] <xunuxunu> http://pastebin.com/VG0GN9GB
[18:51] <Israphel> lots of hub
[18:52] <Israphel> xunuxunu: xinput list
[18:52] <Israphel> please
[18:53] <xunuxunu> http://pastebin.com/FpBV8SKc
[18:53] <xunuxunu> id 4 and 11 i guess
[18:53] <Israphel> well is very generic, like mine
[18:54] <xunuxunu> and 3
[18:54] <Israphel> yeah we have the same hardware
[18:54] <Israphel> common and cheap notebook stuff
[18:55] <mrkramps> what's the exact notebok model affected?
[18:55] <Israphel> my touchpad "locks" when I type, but that's common
[18:56] <xunuxunu> haha,,,yeah mate...its not mine...its a friends one...he had problems and lags with win7 ...so i convinced him to switch to linux...now im in a kind of a situation if you know what i mean
[18:56] <xunuxunu> its the satelite l850d
[18:56] <xunuxunu> i thought it might be BIOS problem
[18:57] <Israphel> same bug reported in 2014
[18:57] <xunuxunu> where at? toshiba supp?
[18:58] <Israphel> ubuntuforums while searching your model
[18:58] <Israphel> http://askubuntu.com/questions/353981/sometimes-when-i-boot-up-my-toshiba-satellite-l875d-lap-top-running-ubuntu-12-04
[18:58] <Israphel> http://askubuntu.com/questions/393051/toshiba-laptop-keyboard-and-mouse-intermittently-stop-working
[18:58] <Israphel> they both propose somekind of fix
[19:01] <xunuxunu> hmm...well i guess i try the kernel boot addition
[19:02] <xunuxunu> how come i didnt find...i feel ashame now...normally i find what i need...
[19:02] <Israphel> life itself
[19:02] <xunuxunu> going to try that now. cheers mate Israphel
[19:02] <Israphel> cheers
[19:06] <xXEoflaOEXx> This is what I get when I install LSD theme, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23422066/
[19:09] <Israphel> aren't you using conky-manager ?
[19:09] <Israphel> it's an easier way than using just conky
[19:09] <xXEoflaOEXx> Israphel: I am in 17.04 development, Will download for Xenial and see
[19:10] <Israphel> not the best place to try conky lol
[19:13] <xunuxunu> going to reboot...see you a bit
[19:17] <xunuxunu> no solution...the grub attribute doesnt help
[19:18] <Israphel> :(
[19:18] <Israphel> did you applied it?
[19:18] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, grub updated after editing the config?
[19:18] <xunuxunu> omg....what a noob i am/////////
[19:21] <xunuxunu> only the update-grub as root right?
[19:21] <mrkramps> sudo update-grub
[19:22] <xunuxunu> yeah
[19:22] <xunuxunu> ok...trying now...big up community...cool folks
[19:22] <xunuxunu> back in a bit
[19:29] <xunuxunu> 4 out of 4 boot ups it worked...i guess it might be solved...special thx to Israphel and mrkramps
[19:29] <Israphel> yay
[19:29] <mrkramps> you're welcome!
[19:30] <xunuxunu> whos up for more issues ?
[19:30] <xunuxunu> haha
[19:30] <Israphel> they scared cricri
[19:31] <xunuxunu> a funny one...when i plug in power supply...the screen config dialogue opens
[19:31] <Israphel> whyyy
[19:31] <xunuxunu> dunnnooo
[19:31] <xunuxunu> i plug out...window opens...i plug in another addiontional opens
[19:31] <Israphel> mine says your battery is charging
[19:32] <xunuxunu> that one opens too..upper right corner...
[19:32] <Israphel> the window that says "Display" ?
[19:32] <xunuxunu> but thats onlzz a message
[19:32] <xunuxunu> nono
[19:32] <xunuxunu> wait..ill put an imgur scrot
[19:32] <Israphel> so which screen config dialogue
[19:33] <xunuxunu> [url=http://i.imgur.com/DrNdTgv.png]
[19:33] <xunuxunu>   [img]http://imgur.com/DrNdTgvl.png[/img]
[19:33] <xunuxunu> [/url]
[19:34] <Israphel> yeah that one
[19:34] <Israphel> says "Display"
[19:34] <Israphel> xfce4-display-settings is the command
[19:35] <Israphel> check your power manager config
[19:37] <mrkramps> obviously somthing is triggered then oO
[19:37] <mrkramps> which is even more weird than funny
[19:38] <Israphel> as far as I know, you can't call custom scripts when pluging the cord
[19:38] <xunuxunu> exactly what i think mate...very odd..it triggers display settings when power supply gets plugged in...hello...how
[19:38] <xunuxunu> a cant find anything relating in power man conf
[19:39] <Israphel> looks normal?
[19:39] <xunuxunu> yeah dude...nothing relating to it at all...but maybe i got tomatoes on my eyes
[19:40] <Israphel> I didn't got thar reference
[19:40] <Israphel> didn't get*
[19:41] <xunuxunu> maybe i cant see the tree within the forest....
[19:41] <Israphel> oh
[19:42] <xunuxunu> but i really think theres nothing odd in this power settings
[19:42] <xunuxunu> i wonder how it can be triggered
[19:42] <Israphel> a very nasty cheat would be renaming the xfce4-display-settings file
[19:43] <mrkramps> you could check dmesg or journalctl if something's logged
[19:46] <xunuxunu>  i guess im too new to linux itself to properly read out these logs
[19:47] <Israphel> they are not crystal clear
[19:47] <xunuxunu> journalctl doesnt give me the info i guess... it echoing the ram mapping, supported cpus, kernel version
[19:47] <xunuxunu> much more i cant read
[19:48] <Israphel> journalctl -f
[19:48] <Israphel> then plug and unplug the charger
[19:48] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, check the systemd journal with:$ journalctl -f
[19:48] <mrkramps> this will automatically follow new lines
[19:48] <mrkramps> then plug out and in again the power supply
[19:48] <mrkramps> new lines should appear directly in case somethings logged
[19:48] <Israphel> -f will keep it running
[19:48] <xunuxunu> x86/fpu i don know
[19:48] <xunuxunu> ok mate
[19:49] <Israphel> my charger triggers this nov 03 16:49:03 cfadon kernel: ideapad_laptop: Unknown event: 1
[19:49] <Israphel> which is useless lol
[19:49] <mrkramps> it is not useless if it appears everytime
[19:50] <Israphel> partial credit
[19:50] <xunuxunu> well...the -f doesnt give me live echo
[19:51] <xunuxunu> nothing echoing when i plug in and out
[19:51] <Israphel> really?
[19:51] <Israphel> oh
[19:51] <Israphel> but the notebook is aware, like in brightness and notifications
[19:51] <xunuxunu> it echoed some network ip6
[19:51] <xunuxunu> yeah
[19:52] <xunuxunu> when i set brightness it echoes live
[19:53] <xunuxunu> dead silent on plug out and in
[19:53] <mrkramps> hm hm hm
[19:53] <xunuxunu> but still triggering the window
[19:53] <xunuxunu> hahaha
[19:53] <mrkramps> you could test with 'xev' it is recognized as a key (combination) maybe!?
[19:53] <mrkramps> --it ++if
[19:55] <xunuxunu> haha
[19:56] <xunuxunu> its mapping the keyboard
[19:57] <xunuxunu> but why
[19:57] <Israphel> :O
[19:57] <mrkramps> which key (code)?
[19:58] <Israphel> super + P is display
[20:00] <xunuxunu> well...it spits out alot
[20:01] <mrkramps> Israphel, might be XF86Display as well
[20:01] <Israphel> yeah, I think it's F10 in toshiba
[20:01] <Israphel> but he's getting the full display manager, not only the screen selection
[20:02] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, when using 'xev' you may not touch keyboard or mouse
[20:02] <mrkramps> otherwise it will log all inputs
[20:02] <xunuxunu> yeah...its events i got that
[20:02] <xunuxunu> when you move it echoes live
[20:02] <Israphel> so what did you get with the charger
[20:03] <xunuxunu> http://pastebin.com/HVrsCNpR
[20:05] <Israphel> 74
[20:05] <xunuxunu> well...but the notify message is opening aswell
[20:06] <xunuxunu> that im o power supply or battery
[20:06] <xunuxunu> so this could be the notfier or not
[20:06] <Israphel> damn
[20:07] <Israphel> damni run xev and plug the charger
[20:07] <Israphel> I get nothing
[20:08] <xunuxunu> this is the whole one
[20:08] <xunuxunu> http://pastebin.com/guHT9fXb
[20:08] <xunuxunu> only xev
[20:08] <xunuxunu> then plug in
[20:08] <xunuxunu> and out
[20:08] <Israphel> you type a know key (like scape) then do the plugin and unplugin, so you'll know which events to read
[20:11] <xunuxunu> i think this should be it
[20:11] <xunuxunu> http://pastebin.com/eYs9cx7r
[20:12] <Israphel> now it says 65
[20:12] <xunuxunu> but like i mentioned the noifier opens same time...
[20:13] <Israphel> I get the notifier but no new lines at xev whatsoever
[20:13] <mrkramps> there's no connection between notification deamon and xinput
[20:13] <mrkramps> at least none i know of
[20:15] <xunuxunu> this is defo the plug out http://pastebin.com/fQqE9Rrn
[20:16] <xunuxunu> i hit the enter button...and get the hit and release event
[20:16] <xunuxunu> then i plug out and get this event
[20:18] <Israphel> this shit is intense
[20:19] <xunuxunu> XD
[20:22] <xunuxunu> as you may imagine...its very hard to find ANYTHING on that..it just doesnt make any sense to me.
[20:22] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, have you tried removing the keyboard shortcut from keyboard settings
[20:24] <xunuxunu> im not sure if i get what you mean
[20:24] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, there's a default shortcut (maybe two) für the display settings
[20:24] <mrkramps> super +p and most probably xf86display
[20:25] <mrkramps> got to settings → keyboard → application shortcuts
[20:25] <mrkramps> and remove them
[20:25] <xunuxunu> let me check
[20:25] <Israphel> ohh german is taking over
[20:26] <mrkramps> it's getting late =D
[20:27] <xunuxunu> you gotta be kidding me
[20:27] <xunuxunu> wahnsinn
[20:27] <xunuxunu> aber wie
[20:27] <xunuxunu> but how does the power plug in trigger this shortcuts
[20:27] <xunuxunu> worked
[20:28] <mrkramps> i have absolutely no idea
[20:28] <mrkramps> my search fu completely failed
[20:28] <xunuxunu> solved.....you two dudes are bobastic
[20:28] <xunuxunu> bombastic
[20:29] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, if you have the time left, go back to keyboard settings and readd the super + p shortcut
[20:29] <Israphel> du hast
[20:29] <mrkramps> just to check which key is triggerd exactly
[20:29] <Israphel> (?)
[20:30] <xunuxunu> i was about o check it
[20:30] <xunuxunu> XD
[20:32] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, was this satellite used with a docking station?
[20:32] <xunuxunu> its the xf86display
[20:32] <mrkramps> makes sende
[20:32] <mrkramps> *sense
[20:32] <xunuxunu> i can leave the super -P
[20:33] <xunuxunu> like how XD
[20:33] <xunuxunu> no...without docking station
[20:33] <mrkramps> i was not expecting it to map something to super + p =D
[20:33] <mrkramps> xf86display is a single key code
[20:33] <mrkramps> but that's pretty much all
[20:33] <xunuxunu> well ok...what is this keycode anyway
[20:33] <xunuxunu> just for the archive
[20:33] <xunuxunu> XD
[20:34] <mrkramps> everything else does not make sense in any way
[20:34] <mrkramps> XF86Display should be keycode 235
[20:35] <xunuxunu> what a little worm...
[20:36] <xunuxunu> cheers cheers folks...big up big up...gotta talk to you guys soon...made my day
[20:36] <xunuxunu> a reason for me to use irc more often
[20:36] <xunuxunu> XD
[20:37] <mrkramps> you're welcome!
[20:37] <xunuxunu> as im not in daily use of this machine..its for a friend..i will see if theres some more issues...you 2 on xubuntu?
[20:38] <mrkramps> this machnine, yes
[20:38] <xunuxunu> just interested if youre using same distro
[20:40] <xunuxunu> so for the record...it is the toshiba satellite l850d
[20:41] <xunuxunu> if anyone comes up wit this kind of bugger
[20:41] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, you should also check the bios settings
[20:41] <mrkramps> no idea what exactly, but something might be suspicous
[20:42] <xunuxunu> i did...but i couldnt find anything strange
[20:42] <mrkramps> so weird =D
[20:42] <xunuxunu> i wondered why the numlock light is on while booting
[20:42] <xunuxunu> it made me suspicious
[20:42] <xunuxunu> that it is indeed a bios problem
[20:42] <mrkramps> should be off as soon as kernel is loaded
[20:44] <mrkramps> i consider this to be normale … BIOS POST messages → numlock on, GRUB bootloader → numlock off
[20:44] <xunuxunu> what does the numlock reset in keyboard settings cause?
[20:44] <mrkramps> linux by default starts with numlock disabled
[20:44] <xunuxunu> its turned off at the moment...i had it checked...but unchecked it
[20:45] <xunuxunu> just to try...so i guess i give it a checkmark again to be reset on boot
[20:45] <xunuxunu> ...still i dont know what the difference is when checked or not
[20:46] <mrkramps> it is a very simple function
[20:46] <mrkramps> when exiting xfce session the last state of numlock is saved
[20:46] <mrkramps> in a file
[20:46] <mrkramps> and when starting a new session this state is read from the file
[20:46] <xunuxunu> ah...ok...just for comfort...now i got it
[20:46] <mrkramps> exactly!
[20:46] <xunuxunu> session restore
[20:47] <xunuxunu> big up...good lad
[20:47] <mrkramps> there's a similar issue with screen brightness for example
[20:47] <xunuxunu> what issue?
[20:48] <mrkramps> last state (e.g. 50%) was not saved on shutdown and next start brightness was up to 100% again
[20:49] <xunuxunu> i will see if that is the case
[20:49] <xunuxunu> wanna know
[20:49] <xunuxunu> ill reboot...give me a second
[20:49] <mrkramps> should be solved by a systemd unit now
[20:49] <mrkramps> yay
[21:11] <xunuxunu> hello
[21:12] <xunuxunu> back again....the issue with brightness i dont have
[21:12] <mrkramps> xunuxunu, 16.04?
[21:12] <xunuxunu> yeah
[21:14] <mrkramps> as said, should be solved by systemd-backlight now
[21:14] <mrkramps> this was rather an example for another comfort function for restoring states
[21:15] <xunuxunu> yeah,,still wanted to check ...before i hand over the machine...i want the linux to run fine so that the dude is happy with it
[21:16] <xunuxunu> ...i cant stand hearing sth like...windows is better or i dont like linux XD
[21:17] <mrkramps> yeah, and especially those tiny malfunctions foster rejection
[21:18] <sa_> hey yall
[21:18] <xunuxunu> exactly mate exactly...for me...i fell in love with linux from the very first time i tried it...although you have to munch your way through some obstalces
[21:18] <xunuxunu> its simply awesome
[21:18] <xunuxunu> hello sa_
[21:19] <sa_> hey ... am having confusing behavioure from my connection, using xubuntu
[21:19] <sa_> i could only some websites
[21:19] <sa_> google, gmail,yahoo some others, i guess all ipv6 and some other website such as data.sbb.ch cant
[21:20] <sa_> simetimes the broswer will keep loading somtimes would give server not fouind
[21:20] <sa_> ping google.com gives no response
[21:21] <mrkramps> geo clocking?
[21:21] <mrkramps> *blocking
[21:21] <xunuxunu> but pinging google should echo something shouldnt it?
[21:22] <mrkramps> afaik not if blocked
[21:22] <xunuxunu> at least an error
[21:22] <mrkramps> dunno
[21:22] <sa_> cant access this website too https://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0ahUKEwjNv4SavI3QAhVLAxoKHT34DA4QFgg6MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Freyhan.org%2F2015%2F10%2Fhubot-on-ubuntu.html&usg=AFQjCNHqm51DV9MFvXmP-BQmT0rRBwnZqA&sig2=tut5ceVXccRl2srP_AzbQQ
[21:24] <xunuxunu> all right mr kramps...and israphel thx to you guys...i need to sort some things out
[21:24] <xunuxunu> see you
[21:24] <xunuxunu> cheers for the help again
[21:24] <mrkramps> bye
[21:24] <mrkramps> you're welcome!
[21:25] <sa_> mrkramps any idea what is the issue http://pastie.org/10955463
[21:27] <mrkramps> sa_, are you using a static ip?
[21:29] <sa_> dont think so in my network connection the connection am using ipv4 setting is automatic dhcp
[21:29] <mrkramps> looks like somethings wrong configured concerning your dns server
[21:29] <mrkramps> and interfaces has an static entry for lo
[21:29] <sa_> am on a dorm internet connection.but i dont have the problem with my phone, which is on the same connection
[21:31] <sa_> so how can i fix it ?
[21:31] <sa_> where is the conflict
[21:32] <mrkramps> i am not a network expert
[21:33] <mrkramps> but the entries in /etc/network/interfaces look wring
[21:33] <mrkramps> *wrong
[21:33] <sa_> why wrong ?
[21:34] <sa_> because it  is not matching the output of ifconfig ? the ipv4 shown there ?
[21:34] <mrkramps> no, your loopback device lo should not habe a static ip
[21:35] <mrkramps> actually there should only be:
[21:35] <mrkramps> auto lo
[21:35] <mrkramps> iface lo inet loopback
[21:35] <sa_> so
[21:36] <sa_> should i delete it from interfaces ?
[21:37] <mrkramps> interfaces should only have the two lines i mentioned above
[21:38] <sa_> what about wlp3s0
[21:38] <sa_> am i not connected to it
[21:38] <mrkramps> ?
[21:38] <mrkramps> your ethernet device is just fine
[21:39] <mrkramps> or wifi, or whatever this is
[21:41] <sa_> all right interfaces been edited only containing the 2 lines you mentioned
[21:42] <mrkramps> now reboot
[21:43] <sa_> without rebooting it woked
[21:43] <sa_> wow
[21:43] <sa_> worked
[21:44] <sa_> i think ....
[22:46] <GeekDude> I'm having problems with external displays on my ThinkPad e550. I have two displays connected via a docking station, and they are seen by the display manager/configurator. Despite being enabled, they mostly stay idle, or show as active but are entirely black. If I fool around with the settings long enough they sometimes turn on properly, but this seems to be rare.


[04:21] <ochosi> madnick: heyo!
[04:27] <ochosi> madnick: afair we said last time that the first goal is to (1) just patch out g-s-d, (2) center the login box and (3) update the branding for xubuntu
[04:28] <ochosi> madnick: all the other things (xfsettingsd, multi-monitor-support) are optional items, that depend on how much time/energy you have
[04:30] <ochosi> knome: (in case i
[04:30] <ochosi> knome: (in case i'm not around later - am on a wedding today and tomorrow - i think you can also take it from here ;) ^ )
[13:45] <astraljava> knome: anyone interested in the compositor issue: have a look at support channel, alex_alex is having an interesting problem that speaks volumes about the default setting for compositor.
[19:29] <GridCube> micahg, ping


[04:17] <xi23> when you go to edit a page and click show editing options and then there isn't anything but logout... what does that mean? is the wiki broken? or is the page just locked (temporarily?)? is it some security measure for abuse based on ip range?
[04:19] <bodhi_zazen> what page xi23 ?
[04:20] <xi23> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed
[04:20] <bodhi_zazen> sec . logging in now
[04:23] <bodhi_zazen> you asking about the "show editing options" tab at the bottom right ?
[04:24] <xi23> yes
[04:24] <bodhi_zazen> It just shows / hides the menu at the bottom
[04:24] <xi23> right- but when you click show.... there is nothing but logout for me.
[04:24] <xi23> on the menu
[04:25] <bodhi_zazen> "Edit  Page_History Subscribe Attachments More Actions recent_changes wiki_guide Preferences Logout"
[04:25] <bodhi_zazen> Those are the menu options I see ^^
[04:25] <xi23> yea- i'm not seeing that
[04:26] <bodhi_zazen> The entire bar disappears if I click "edit"
[04:26] <xi23> when the bar is up i don't see anything other than logout
[04:26] <bodhi_zazen> you blocking cookies or java script ?
[04:26] <xi23> i got a feeling i am blocked or maybe my ip range or something.
[04:26] <xi23> i don't think so
[04:26] <bodhi_zazen> what browser ?
[04:27] <xi23> i tried in firefox and chrome with ubuntu 11.04
[04:27] <xi23> actually- i changed ip addresses  (range too)
[04:28] <xi23> i can't conceive of why i would be blocked though
[04:28] <xi23> unless somebody was confused about a change i made maybe... and complained? i don't know.
[04:28] <bodhi_zazen> NoScript ?
[04:28] <bodhi_zazen> Proxy ?
[04:29] <xi23> nope.
[04:29] <xi23> i tried with chrome too remember
[04:29] <xi23> i'm going to disable all plug-ins though to see what happens
[04:30] <xi23> with all plug-ins disabled it still doesn't work
[04:34] <xi23> i just tried with a fresh install of ubuntu 12.04 on a different system and it does the same thing
[04:41] <xi23> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed?action=edit says You are not allowed to edit this page.
[04:44] <sagaci> xi23, make sure you're logged in
[04:45] <xi23> i have
[04:45] <xi23> it literally says log out on the editing bar
[04:45] <xi23> :)
[05:40] <sagaci> xi23, well I'm able to edit it
[05:40] <xi23> yea- i think i'm banned for some reason. that is my suspicion. although i have a way to test it i think.
[05:40] <xi23> frustrating. now i have to figure out who and why.
[05:41] <xi23> i would think they would be less liberal... although it could be nothing to do with me. maybe all non-admins or something like that are having this problem.
[15:31] <jbicha> dpm: feature request for http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ - include translated screenshots if they're available
[15:34] <dpm> hi jbicha, good point, it should be easily doable by modifying the Makefile that builds the html (right now it just copies the original screenshots IIRC). I'll see if I can have a go at it tomorrow
[15:36] <dpm> it should be a matter of fixing this make target:
[15:36] <dpm> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/precise/view/head:/html/Makefile#L79
[15:42] <jbicha> ah ok


[15:51] <czajkowski> tdr112: seen http://hackference.co.uk/
[16:14] <tdr112> ya not sure it looks that good


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