[00:00] <tenochslb> AmunRa, i do not know but i have a wireless card that stopped working during one of the updates of lucid. It used to work on karmic
[00:02] <AmunRa> no, the wireless works.. it's just the icon that's vanished
[00:02] <h00k> yofel: in your opinion, would you say I am effected?
[00:03] <tenochslb> AmunRa, ok
[00:03] <yofel> not sure I only found the bug today and haven't tested it much myself, but it might not hurt to test the fixed package, I have it installed here, but didn't restart X yet
[00:04] <yofel> but I think at least I am affected, it shows 760MB now, but I guess that's only allocated, not used as I should have run out of memory by now otherwise...
[00:05] <h00k> yofel: oh, hey, if I'm running 1.2, then I should remove it, update to 1.4, and test there?
[00:05] <h00k> I see how that works.
[00:05]  * h00k facepalms
[00:05] <yofel> heh
[00:05] <h00k> so, I know it exists in 1.2
[00:06] <h00k> now to try 1.4.
[00:06] <yofel> I'm running 1.4 here, and I think this *shouldn't* exist in 1.2
[00:06] <h00k> yofel: ..oh.
[00:07] <yofel> well, I'm at 800 now, and kwin is getting quite sluggy now...
[00:07]  * h00k turns swap off
[00:08] <h00k> yofel: so, 1.2 is..which, the fixed? or the one with the problem?
[00:08] <yofel> I think this was caused by enabling the patch that fixed something after enabling 1.4, so 1.2 should be fine
[00:09] <yofel> ok, now I have 1cpu stuck with 100% IOwait, maybe it tries to swap but can't
[00:10] <h00k> yofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/420101/
[00:13] <denis-k> noooooo....chromium windows are on the right side :(
[00:14] <denis-k> i wish the ubuntu build/in the repo was changed to fit with ubuntu's main theme
[00:14] <denis-k> now i have to use the GTK+ topbar...which makes it even bulkier
[00:15] <h00k> denis-k: you can change a setting so it fits your theme
[00:15] <denis-k> h00k: i know but it still has the window buttons on the top right, unless you use the GTK window bar
[00:15] <denis-k> then it adds another 20 pixels onto your screen
[00:16] <PythonPup> Howdy.  I see that you cannot change gconf keys for Matacity right now.  Why is that?  I am not trying to push for it to be changed right away.  I am just curious.
[00:17] <denis-k> h00k: im using a netbook, thats why i need more screen space :)
[00:17] <h00k> denis-k: http://i.imgur.com/AWSn9.jpg
[00:17] <yofel> ok, back after killing X...
[00:17] <h00k> yofel: welcome back.
[00:18] <h00k> yofel: did you see my previous pastebin?
[00:18] <yofel> iotop showed more and more apps doing more and more reads from the HDD until the OS was unusable
[00:18] <denis-k> h00k: yeah thats what i have too, but i was wondering if its possible to get window buttons from theme, without the GTK top bar, to the other side..
[00:18] <yofel> h00k: yes, I have the quasselcore running on another pc, so I wasn't really gone here
[00:19] <h00k> yofel: useful
[00:19] <denis-k> like in its original/installed state
[00:20] <yofel> well, let's see how it works now... "server glx version string: 1.2 client glx version string: 1.4"
[00:21] <denis-k> h00k: oh well atleast its still more screen space than firefox (with the bookmark bar)
[00:21] <h00k> denis-k: it's true, and I don't know if you can do what you're looking to accomplish
[00:22] <h00k> yofel: object bytes do seem to be decreasing slowly
[00:22] <yofel> h00k: for now memory usage seems to be stable at ~120MiB for me (2763 objects), I'll post if anything changes
[00:24] <mininessie> any girls here
[00:25] <Fishscene> off topic?
[00:26] <h00k> mininessie: it isn't a dating service
[00:29] <h00k> yofel: it appears "steady" around 443mb at this time
[00:30] <yofel> now that I'm running 1.2 it seems stable at 130MB for me
[00:30] <mininessie> h00k: what are you talking about
[00:30] <h00k> mininessie: GLX 1.2
[00:31] <mininessie> ??
[00:34] <h00k> Which is why I'm not sure if I'm having this problem, I think I am because if I keep rolling over docky, I can send mem usage way up and it takes a long time to drop.
[00:37] <h00k> I may be starting to get x lag
[00:38] <h00k> I think I'm slowly dying
[00:38] <exigraff> h00k! don't walk toward the light!
[00:40] <h00k> yofel: so, I managed to kill 1.2
[00:41] <h00k> well, it's in the process of...doing something, anyway.
[00:43] <h00k> yep. it's dead.
[00:50] <h00k> yofel: I think I commented properly, anyway
[00:51] <h00k> yofel: ?! My netbook has negative object bytes
[00:52] <h00k> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/420120/
[00:52] <yofel> that's an integer overflow (highest bit is the negative bit) once the number is larger than 2^31-1
[00:53] <h00k> but it shouldn't be reaching that, correct? I have 1.4 on the netbook at the moment.
[00:53] <yofel> no, it should not
[00:53] <h00k> let me try 1.2 on this, intel, not nouveau and see what happens.
[00:54] <yofel> and negative means that it uses more than 2GB of memory already...
[00:54] <Volkodav> I just created a backup but it seems too small compared to original - I do not think it can compress that much
[00:55] <Volkodav> my / is 9 gb and tar ball is only 1.3 Gb ?
[00:55] <h00k> yofel: all I have on this baby is 2gb
[00:55] <h00k> be back in a bit, I have a meeting.
[00:56] <yofel> well, if the count is negative than that means it uses more than 2 147 483 648 bytes
[00:56] <yofel> *then
[00:57] <mininessie> hey has anyone heard of mkv video format
[00:58] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, yes used it for a while before moving to mp4 for cross compatibility, what is your question?
[00:59] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: is there an hd version of it or any way to conveert mkv to hd
[00:59] <Volkodav> Can 9 Gb compress into 1.3 ?
[00:59] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, mkv can more-or-less be hd (or better really)
[01:00] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: how or is there a program to convert mkv to mkv so its a better quality?
[01:01] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, you can't upscale a lossy encoding (the source would need to be encoded at the higher quality, and would need to be HD)
[01:01] <mininessie> but if i encoded it would it still be mkv
[01:01] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: and what would be a good mkv encoder
[01:01] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, what is the source you are encoding from?
[01:02] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: ?
[01:02] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, Handbrake for encoder
[01:02] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, what are you encoding from?
[01:02] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, hanbrake-gtk may still be non-functional on lucid though :(
[01:02] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: nothing i just have download a video of the internet and its mkv format
[01:03]  * duffydack would like to watch a video of the internet.
[01:03] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, if you've downloaded something - you can't improve it's quality (ANY change will lower the quality)
[01:04] <IRConan> mininessie: mkv is a container format... wether it's "HD" is up to the codec inside
[01:04] <IRConan> any form of lossy->* transcode will reduce quality exponentially
[01:05] <mininessie> so even if i converted it to blue ray quality it would be less quality then true blue ray
[01:05] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, yes
[01:05] <IRConan> mininessie: it would in fact be less quality than the source you currently have...
[01:05] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, just leave it as is (it's the best it's going to be)
[01:05] <Volkodav> will this be a correct command to restore to another drive assuming I created a new partition on it and mounted and cd'ed into it ?  tar -xvpzf /home/volkodav/backup.tar.gz -C /A
[01:06] <IRConan> where do you think it's gonna get the extra information from to make it better?!
[01:07] <Volkodav> or do i have to spell out the path like so  tar -xvpzf /home/volkodav/backup.tar.gz -C /media/new_drive ?
[01:07] <IRConan> Volkodav: what's the /A ?
[01:07] <Volkodav>  tar -xvpzf /home/volkodav/backup.tar.gz -C /
[01:07] <Volkodav> like this
[01:08] <IRConan> if you want to extract to the cwd omit the -C entirely
[01:08] <mininessie> what makes linux unqiue
[01:09] <Fishscene> The community and what you can do with it.
[01:09] <IRConan> mininessie: linux doesn't attempt to be unique
[01:09] <IRConan> it attempts to adhere to standards such as POSIX, etc such that it is in fact less unique
[01:10] <Volkodav> tar -xvpzf /home/volkodav/backup.tar.gz  /media/new_drive  like that ?
[01:10] <mininessie> well besides the way it looks and how i use linux it seems not that much different meaning functionality
[01:10] <IRConan> Volkodav: if you want to do it to the cwd just do tar -xvpzf /path/to/archive.tar.gz
[01:10] <mininessie> and what i mean is like windows 7 has snap features and such
[01:11] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, Win7 copied compiz for many of it's new visual effect - like the cube
[01:11] <IRConan> mininessie: indeed... most functionality is very similar between some of the major desktop environments and windows
[01:11] <Volkodav> IRConan: what if i am in archive's dir ?
[01:12] <IRConan> Volkodav: then you need to specify with -C /media/new_drive
[01:12] <mininessie> IRConan: so what makes linux stand out functionallity wise
[01:12] <Volkodav> ok I got it thanks
[01:12] <IRConan> -C / is definitely not what you want... that will extract to the root
[01:12] <duffydack> I`ll take my compiz setup over any meager little tricks win7 can do
[01:12] <IRConan> mininessie: depends on your use-case
[01:12] <Fishscene> Again, what you can do with it.
[01:12] <ZykoticK9> duffydack, +1
[01:12] <duffydack> snap is do-able also.../
[01:12] <Volkodav> that I understand
[01:12] <mininessie> IRConan: ?
[01:13] <Volkodav> Once it is untarred I will need to fix the grub  and fstaband new drive should boot I guess
[01:13] <IRConan> mininessie: depends what you're trying to do with it... if you're trying to run a web server the things which will stand out as good are completely different to those which might do if you're trying to run a gaming machine
[01:13] <duffydack> I`ll take your win7 aero and raise you a multiple desktop.. ftw
[01:13] <IRConan> since you're here though I guess you're after a desktop environment for web browsing and such
[01:14] <mininessie> IRConan: yeah and if i ever get my sound working listen to music
[01:14] <Fishscene> Don't forget that you can tweak the linux kernal to suit your needs as well- something you can't do with many of the other major os's
[01:14] <mininessie> IRConan: and i like to learn out to code html css and maybe python
[01:15] <mininessie> how not out
[01:15] <Volkodav> IRConan: I don't need liveCD to do the backyp and the untar to a new drive  right ?
[01:15] <Volkodav> just run from the system
[01:16] <IRConan> Volkodav: are you trying to backup and untar your install?
[01:16] <Volkodav> to the new drive yes
[01:16] <IRConan> I'd recommend booting livecd to avoid things being changed during the process
[01:16] <Volkodav> My SSD came in today
[01:16] <Volkodav> so it's in and formatted
[01:16] <IRConan> then instead of tarring mount both filesystems and rsync accross
[01:17] <Volkodav> what's the benefits vs tar ?
[01:17] <IRConan> rsync is a single operation where tar is 2
[01:18]  * Volkodav never did rsync for backup
[01:18] <IRConan> rsync is made of 100% win
[01:18] <KB1JWQ> rsync works at the block level.
[01:18] <IRConan> KB1JWQ: no it doesn't
[01:18] <IRConan> KB1JWQ: you're probably thinking of dd?
[01:19] <KB1JWQ> IRConan: Nope.  http://www.backupassist.com/blog/support/rsync-how-effective-is-it/
[01:19] <Volkodav> hmm - the tarball comes to 4.1 Gb with root being 9
[01:19] <Volkodav> live CD created one only 1.3 Gb
[01:19] <Volkodav> does not sound right
[01:19] <KB1JWQ> IRConan: I blew away some production data with rsync once.  My self imposed penance was to read its manpage for three days. :-)
[01:20]  * Volkodav stays with tar for now
[01:20] <IRConan> KB1JWQ: were you trying to use the hardlink copy feature for incremental? that's the best if you get it to work but can be risky
[01:20] <KB1JWQ> IRConan: I copied someone else's stanza without understanding it and overwrote some stuff that should not have been touched.
[01:21] <Volkodav> ok - liveCD it is
[01:22] <Volkodav> why was it so small though ? I don't get it
[01:22] <IRConan> Volkodav: you compressed it with gzip didn't you?
[01:22] <IRConan> use -z on the tar command?
[01:23] <_Ba_> hi, I cant install ALSA driver on ubuntu 10.4
[01:24] <crimsun> _Ba_: why do you need to? It's already installed by default.
[01:24] <Volkodav> yes I did
[01:24] <_Ba_> I've cmi8788 audio card and its not installed
[01:24] <Volkodav> I compressed it
[01:25] <crimsun> _Ba_: so use linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) from ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[01:25] <duffydack> Ive never had rsync only sync changed data (delta), only retransmit the whole file.. what switches does it need?
[01:26] <IRConan> duffydack: -z I think
[01:26] <Volkodav> IRConan: but the archive I did from install is 4.1 Gb - the one from liveCD 1.3 - and I have same include options including cdrom for live session
[01:26] <duffydack> IRConan, thats compression
[01:26] <Volkodav> exclude options*
[01:27] <IRConan> Volkodav: what command did you use to make one from the livecd?
[01:27] <IRConan> duffydack: by default rsync will turn on deltas if it's a network transfer but otherwise copy whole files if they've changed
[01:27] <_Ba_> crimsun: I dont know how to use that
[01:28] <Volkodav> tar -cvpzf backup.tar.gz -exclude=/backup.tar.gz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/sys --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media --exclude=/cdrom /
[01:28] <duffydack> IRConan, I shall test that.
[01:28] <crimsun> _Ba_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/InstallingLinuxAlsaDriverModules
[01:28] <IRConan> Volkodav: ok... if you run that on the livecd then you're backing up the livecd not your install
[01:29] <IRConan> Volkodav: if you've booted to livecd then the best way is to do this...
[01:29] <Volkodav> that was issuied from mounted /
[01:29] <IRConan> Volkodav: may I send you some commands in PM?
[01:29] <Volkodav> cwd was /media/UUID
[01:29] <Volkodav> sure can
[01:30] <Volkodav> other people may learn something too
[01:32] <IRConan> Volkodav: I PM'd so that I wasn't sending many lines to the channel
[01:32] <_Ba_> I need to reboot, thanks for now crimsun
[01:32] <Volkodav> ok
[01:35] <_Ba_> I still dont have any soundcard installed
[01:42] <pepee> hi
[01:42] <pepee> I have a problem: the X is eating my memory
[01:42] <pepee> root       941  4.3 39.7 1249672 1125916 tty7  Ss+  Apr19 174:36  \_ /usr/bin/X -nr -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-irCRsc
[01:43] <pepee> i'm on kubuntu lucid
[01:43] <agronholm_> http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/04/21/2021247/Ubuntu-LTS-Experiences-Xorg-Memory-Leak?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
[01:43] <pepee> I had a problem with the ATI driver
[01:44]  * Pici wonders when pre-release bugs became fodder for slashdot articles
[01:46] <pepee> ATI uses DRI1 without KMS.
[01:47] <pepee> I don't understand it: I'm using the ATI propietary driver, it's the same problem?
[01:48] <techhelper1> isn't the rc released?
[01:48] <ZykoticK9> techhelper1, tomorrow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule
[01:48] <MGMTM3> what would be the best drivers in 10.04 for a ATI 4890?
[01:48] <agronholm_> or today, depending on your TZ :)
[01:49] <duffydack> IRConan, ok seems to have worked over ssh.. http://pastebin.org/166639
[01:49] <duffydack> made a zip 1.3gig big, removed 6.2meg from it..
[01:50] <pepee> :(
[01:50] <crimsun> _Ba_: please use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[01:51] <Lynn^_^> I tried rebooting yesterday and got the message "verifying dmi pool" and it got stuck there.  I haven't opened the computer lately, so no change in hardware, something seems corrupt, but not sure where to start
[01:54] <techhelper1> i wonder will 10.04 will work with my monitor on the full release
[01:55] <techhelper1> since 9.10 can't do 1080p even by xorg editing
[02:02] <pepee> how do I remove the fglrx driver, and go back to the open source one?
[02:03] <pepee> I installed it from the repos
[02:06] <MrDowntempo> my buddy borked his video by putting in a new card. How can he reboot to the xorg configurator?
[02:07] <arand> pepee: just running jockey ("hardware drivers", should be enough, no?
[02:08] <pepee> ok, thanks
[02:08] <virtuald> hold shift down when booting, right after the BIOS POST/logo scree, that should get you to the grub menu where you can boot recovery mode, if you can't even boot
[02:08] <virtuald> mrdowntempo: ^
[02:09] <MrDowntempo> does exact same thing I'm told
[02:09] <erghezi> When running Firefox, hard disk activity goes up for a few minutes
[02:10] <virtuald> mrdowntempo: and what is that?
[02:11] <MrDowntempo> gets to grub, picks normal or recovery, goes staight to a black screen. Monitor tries to switch video modes but nothing on the screen
[02:13] <virtuald> ok, tried ctrl-alt-f1?
[02:15] <tlyng> My nm-applet / indicator-applet does not show networking anymore, anybody know how to bring it back?
[02:15] <meoblast001> hi
[02:15] <meoblast001> i want to make sure i should be getting the beta, so i'll explain my background
[02:15] <ZykoticK9> tlyng, it's not in indicator-applet it Notification Area
[02:15] <meoblast001> i've been using GNU/Linux for quite a few years, i'm somewhat knowledgable in it, and i want to try some newer software
[02:15] <meoblast001> i wouldn't consider myself a guru though
[02:16] <meoblast001> should i get 10.04 or will it be too much of a hassle?
[02:16] <meoblast001> my friend is trying it and said "I'll tell you if this ever boots"
[02:17] <tlyng> ZykoticK9: i've added notification area, nothin :/
[02:17] <ZykoticK9> tlyng, what if you try running nm-applet from alt+f2
[02:18] <virtuald> meoblast001: you could try the live cd
[02:18] <meoblast001> ok, but it takes 2 hours to download an ISO for me
[02:18] <meoblast001> a CD-sized one that is
[02:19] <meoblast001> why did Ubuntu switch to Yahoo?
[02:19] <meoblast001> some Canonical-Yahoo deal?
[02:19] <tlyng> ZykoticK9: i've tried running it manually, nothing. Can't say I see any errors either
[02:19] <Ken8521> meoblast001, i think shuttleworth mentioned that on his blog.
[02:19] <virtuald> yes but i think it's only the search provider, not the start page, and you can easily change it
[02:20] <meoblast001> his blog is downloading very slow
[02:20] <Ken8521> virtuald, from the sounds of it, its no different than MS making Bing their homepage... canonical has a deal w/ Yahoo to use their search engine, but it is very easily modified... non-issue IMO.
[02:20] <ZykoticK9> tlyng, sorry I don't know man.  Best of luck.
[02:21] <tlyng> ZykoticK9: hopefully it's fixed before the final release. It's nothing critical for me, just annoying :)
[02:21] <ZykoticK9> tlyng, if no one has a suggestion on a fix, you should think about reporting a bug
[02:22] <Ken8521> tlyng, whats wrong?
[02:22] <tlyng> Ken8521: networkmanager applet is gone missing.
[02:23] <Ken8521> hmm.
[02:24] <Ken8521> that's weird you've tried adding notification-area, and its still not showing
[02:24] <MrDowntempo> where are the xorg.conf files stored now? if nolonger /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[02:25] <ZykoticK9> MrDowntempo, xorg.conf isn't there by default (autoconfigured now) - you can create one and it will be used however
[02:27] <Ken8521> tlyng, u still here?
[02:27] <tlyng> Ken8521: yes
[02:28] <Ken8521> tlyng, open system monitor.. on the processes tab, kill nm-applet and notification-area-applet
[02:28] <Ken8521> tlyng, after both are killed... open a terminal
[02:29] <tlyng> Ken8521: and? :)
[02:29] <Ken8521> tlyng, when you kill notification area, click "Reload"...
[02:30] <Ken8521> if nm-applet doesn't show, run "nm-applet" in terminal
[02:31] <tlyng> Ken8521: when running nm-applet it still does not show, but it's apparantely running (in foreground in terminal)
[02:31] <Ken8521> tlyng, did you kill it in system monitor?
[02:32] <erghezi> http://pastebin.com/zmRiA8ve
[02:32] <erghezi> i have problem with ubufox  package
[02:32] <h00k> yoasif: I'm checking it on my netbook at the moment
[02:35] <tlyng> Ken8521: i've killed it from system monitor and from terminal. I've just traced nm-applet's syscalls in the hunt for clues, no confirmed errors yet.
[02:35] <Ken8521> tlyng, do you have other instances of notification area running in ther terminal(perhaps they are blank)
[02:37] <tlyng> Ken8521: i don't think so, unless the process is named something obscure
[02:37] <Ken8521> hmm, shouldn't be
[02:41] <Ken8521> tlyng, i know i had this problem, just can't remember how i fixed it
[02:42] <tlyng> Ken8521: do you know which package nm-applet is part of?
[02:42] <Ken8521> tlyng, just nm-applet isn't it?
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> has anyone seen the effect where you copy somthing to a Flash drive.. it goes very fast.. then when it gets done.  0 sec left.. it like hangs on the copy for a long time?
[02:45] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, yes
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> Getting rather annoying. :)
[02:45] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, at first i thought i jumped forward about 8yrs and had USB 5.0
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> 353 of 354 copied... 0 seconds left... for the last 2 min+ here.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> the fast part is due to the cache I think.. but not sure why it hangs so long at the end.
[02:47] <tlyng> Dr_Willis: perhaps the application (nautilius) wait for the kernel to finish writing.
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> Now i got 2 copies hanging at 0 seconds leftl
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> one copy to a differnt flash drive worked fine.
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if its a FS issue..
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. If i do a 'sync' command  in termnial. that even hangs.
[02:48] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, hmm.
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> There.. ONE finally finished..
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> and then the 2nd ond.
[02:49] <tlyng> it was probably waiting for the kernel to finish
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> but why on only 1 device..  the other started and finished.. befor the hanging ones got done. :)
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> no info in dmesg. Only diff i can see is that one is using ext3 other is VFAT
[02:50] <tlyng> this is the reason you should unmount media before removing them :)
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> it is unmounted
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> and i waited for it to finish beofr i unmounted it.
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> a 30 sec copy process in gnome.. hangs at 0sec left for over a min+ at times it seems..
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> drag/drop copy... wait... then unmount. to  make sure its done.
[02:51] <PythonPup> Howdy.  I see that you cannot change gconf keys for Matacity right now.  Why is that?  I am not trying to push for it to be changed right away.  I am just curious.
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> PythonPup:  theres ways to lock some keys.  - what keys are you refering to? you using netbook edition? or normal?
[02:52] <Volkodav> IRConan:
[02:52] <IRConan> Volkodav: did it work?
[02:52] <Volkodav> finished rsync
[02:52] <PythonPup> Dr_Willis, normal Beta2
[02:53] <Volkodav> can't seem to boot in this partition
[02:53] <PythonPup> I was going to show someone how to fix the button loacation and all we saw was the locked message.  It is not that big of a deal, but we were curious.
[02:55] <PythonPup> I hope you are not insulted that anyone would move the buttons back.
[02:55] <Ken8521> PythonPup, were you not able to?
[02:56] <PythonPup> U have the buttons on the right on my two test machines.,  I edited the gconf keys a couple of weeks ago.  The new install won't let me change the keys.
[02:57] <PythonPup> That was "I have the buttons..."
[02:57] <Ken8521> PythonPup, really?
[02:57] <Ken8521> u try running gconf-editor as root?
[02:57] <PythonPup> Sure.  I can do a screen grab, if you have any doubt.
[02:58] <PythonPup> No, I will try that.
[02:58] <Ken8521> PythonPup, i installed the daily last night, and i moved them back no problem
[03:01] <PythonPup> That's it.  Running as sudo gives me access.  Thank you, Ken8521
[03:01] <Ken8521> PythonPup, no prob.. kinda stupid if you ask me.. hadn't heard that
[03:02] <PythonPup> I know some of why they moved it.  I would do it otherwise, but as long as I can make it like I want it, I won't fuss.  My next step is to figure out how to put it on the distribution images I make for my group.
[03:03] <gunksta> Having trouble syncing to my UbuntuOne Account. I am logged in via FireFox and I told it to start syncing, but it doesn't do anything. I uploaded some stuff at work and I was hoping to sync to it here on the netbook. I've used the preferences dialog and told it to sync with the server, but no dice. Thoughts?
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> Theres the #ubuntuone channel also.
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> I rarely use the service
[03:06] <gunksta> Thanks Dr_Willis
[03:07] <gunksta> I also need to install XChat on this thing.  Empathy - not so great at IRC
[03:07] <MGMTM3> im pretty sure flash 10 is causing a system slow down after around moderate use of the computer for about 20-30 minutes.
[03:07] <Ken8521> gunksta, empathy - not so great at --- anything
[03:08] <gunksta> I dunno. It works OK as a chat client.
[03:09] <virtuald> at least it doesn't seem to lose msn messages no more
[03:10] <Volkodav> IRConan:  can't boot yet
[03:10] <Ken8521> gunksta, i guess "OK" is in the eye of the beholder, i think it absolutely sucks
[03:11] <darch> makes me miss pidgin
[03:11] <SwedeMike> MGMTM3: not http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA then?
[03:12] <Zelozelos> i know this is totally off topic but im hoping someone can tell me, are there 2 avatar movies like avatar and avatar "return to the world"?
[03:12] <Ken8521> darch, pidgin is still in the repos.. doesn't really take herculean efforts to install
[03:12] <ccmonster> ok, so I did an update today, and now the system wont reboot
[03:13] <darch> i know, and i agree... just trying to +1 the previous comment
[03:13] <ccmonster> Anyone else experiencing this? I started with Beta 1, have been stable the whole time since March 17th or 18th, and today the update botched the whole thing. It doesn't even get to a grub screen or anything.
[03:13] <h00k> Zelozelos: it is off topic, that's better suited for #ubuntu-offtopic.
[03:13] <h00k> Zelozelos: this channel is for Lucid Discussion
[03:14] <Volkodav> well it shows in BIOS as 4th disk and the system sees it as sdd
[03:14] <Volkodav> why does it keep booting in sdb?
[03:15] <Zelozelos> join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:15] <Zelozelos> oops
[03:16] <MichaelKohler> when having a dialog with a question in it.. where is the "Yes" button natively? left or right side?
[03:16] <ccmonster> ?
[03:16] <ccmonster> anyone know what could have caused the system to crash. Or how to get the system to update
[03:18] <Volkodav> I just copied the system to a new SSD and it keeps booting in the old one or says it does
[03:19] <Volkodav> The grub reads right  fstab seems ok too
[03:22] <ccmonster> So I heard there is a fairly serious memory leak in Lucid Dev. What's the status on that, if anyone knows? And, Is it going to hold anything up, at this point?
[03:24] <SwedeMike> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[03:25] <c0vert> anyone else having the issue when your display starts to dim and you move your mouse it doesn't stop? lol
[03:26] <ccmonster> Thanks Sweded mike.
[03:26] <ccmonster> Hey, any clue what updates that came out in the last couple days on Lucid that could have caused my machine to just NOT reboot in to Ubuntu?
[03:26] <NoobFukaire2> is it going to be possible upgrade directly from hardy to lucid for servers or will we need to upgrade through each release?
[03:27] <ccmonster> All I did was install the suggested updates after a sudo apt-get update and it asked me to reboot, I did, and bam. I get bios, then blinking cursor. No grub, nothing...
[03:27] <ZykoticK9> NoobFukaire2, LTS -> LTS is possible!
[03:27] <SwedeMike> NoobFukaire2: LTS->LTS, otherwise you have to go thru each version.
[03:27] <NoobFukaire2> do you know if it's working right now? I googled it and a few people seemed to have gotten dropped into a ramfs afterward
[03:28] <NoobFukaire2> they might have just been early adopters though, I'm just curious if anyone's already managed it successfully
[03:28] <mininessie_> did the shut down log out menu get moved back to corner or is just me
[03:29] <LinuxGuy2009> What is the whole deal with the software center, featured applications button? Is it listing based on popularity or something? or random stuff etc?
[03:30] <mininessie_> did the shut down log out menu get moved back to corner or is just me in ubuntu
[03:31] <c0vert> i guess this pre-release freeze goes until release day?
[03:32] <mininessie_> c0vert: or until the rc is out
[03:32] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, was it somewhere else ever during Lucid?  I certainly only remember it in the corner.
[03:32] <c0vert> ah, that's tomorrow right?
[03:32] <c0vert> mine is definitely in the corner.
[03:32] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, RC tomorrow yes
[03:32] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: under system menu
[03:33] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, hasn't been under system menu for a while (was it there in karmic?)
[03:33] <MGMTM3> how would I revert from GLX 1.4 to 1.2?
[03:33] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: well it was there yesterday before i reinstalled ubuntu
[03:34] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, it's never been there under my Lucid since alpha2
[03:34] <SwedeMike> MGMTM3: there are exact instructions on how to get the new PPAs in links in the article.
[03:34] <MGMTM3> thx
[03:34] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: so alpha 2 had it under system
[03:34] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, no
[03:35] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: ok then i'm confused
[03:35] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, it's never been there under my Lucid (i installed using alpha2)
[03:35] <mininessie_> well what is ur gnome is it 2.30
[03:36] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, yes 2.3
[03:36] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: weird
[03:36] <ZykoticK9> Has anyone else seen shutdown under the System menu?
[03:37] <ccmonster> well, i restarted after some updates today, and the whole sys crashed
[03:38] <ccmonster> won't boot back into the os
[03:38] <ccmonster> no grub screen, nothing.
[03:39] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, well people aren't jumping on the yes or no for that question.  But I don't think it was suppose to be under System.
[03:39] <mininessie_> well i know fedora does it that way
[03:40] <ccmonster> and is the release candidate actually coming out tomorrow?
[03:41] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, i just checked on Karmic, it's under under System there either
[03:41] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, /under under/not under
[03:41] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: weird why did it appear there for me any who i'm done talking about it
[03:53] <Volkodav> I figured it out
[03:54] <Stik> Feel like I'm on Yahoo... getting messages soon as ya enter lol
[04:02] <flansuse> Is Lucid going to undo the regressions in the GDM login themes and Grub2/startup themes?
[04:07] <Ken8521> flansuse, what regression?
[04:07] <MGMTM3> swede went back to 1.2 and so far everything works great.  Thanks again
[04:08] <flansuse> Ken8521: I call it a regression, not sure if it's the proper usage of it. In pre-Karmic, you could choose / install different themes for the GDM login screen.
[04:08] <flansuse> Ken8521: With Karmic, and I believe it's because of GNOME 2.28, this is not possible anymore.
[04:09] <Ken8521> flansuse, the fact you consider it a regression, doesn't mean it is.
[04:09] <Ken8521> and you can theme the login screen, its just not as obvious how to do it
[04:10] <flansuse> Ken8521: Through gconf?
[04:11] <Ken8521> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/gdm-2-gui-configuration-tool-ubuntu.html
[04:12] <flansuse> Ken8521: Since Lucid is going to be an LTS, I just figured there might be a GUI way to change the GDM login theme.
[04:12] <Ken8521> flansuse, its still a work in progress, clearly
[04:12] <Ken8521> but i've used that tool w/ pretty good luck.
[04:13] <flansuse> Ken8521: I've seen that, but noticed it only changes the wallpaper, or at least it looks that way. I'm wondering if Lucid will allow something like these: http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=150&PHPSESSID=dfe36f71ebf0cec12d624496d39a712d
[04:14] <darthanubis> gtk-gnutella, needs ot be updated
[04:14] <Ken8521> flansuse, it is modified by your theme settings that you choose.. your'e right, it is limited... like i said, work in progress
[04:14] <flansuse> Ken8521: Got it.
[04:15] <flansuse> Ken8521: Will be looking forward to Lucid. Already impressed at some videos of the Alphas and Betas.
[04:19] <The_Journey> why does Lucid Lynx hangs so much
[04:19] <agronholm_> The_Journey, hasn't hanged for me yet
[04:19] <Volkodav> I have the correct UUID in grub but it detects different UUID for image
[04:20] <Volkodav> where do I fix it ?
[04:20] <The_Journey> agronholm: I was watching video on FireFox and the computer became really slow
[04:20] <The_Journey> never happened on 9.10
[04:21] <darthanubis> no hanging
[04:23] <The_Journey> oh yea I'm having problem connecting with wi-fi on Kubuntu Lucid Lynx
[04:24] <The_Journey> entered password and chose the correct stuff but it doesn't connect
[04:52] <STiK_> Grr
[05:23] <grendal_prime>  there an upgrade manager that will take my 804 netbook up to 10.04 beta2?
[05:29] <STiK_> woah
[05:37] <crucialhoax> How can I set a picture for my user at the login screen?
[05:40] <shadeslayer> hey guys any idea why alt+f2 isnt working on gnome?
[05:40] <shadeslayer> whats the command to start it? like krunner in KDE ...
[05:42] <virtuald> crucialhoax: click on your user name on the panel, then on the user icon, then on the button with the user icon
[05:43] <crucialhoax> virtuald: Thanks :) I appreciate it.
[05:45] <shadeslayer> soo....
[05:45] <shadeslayer> any ideas?
[05:57] <Moc> no RC yet ?
[05:59] <virtuald> moc: no, releases are always late in the night
[06:00] <Moc> ha it the morning of the 22 lol
[06:00] <Moc> thought we were at night hehe
[06:00] <virtuald> 8]
[06:00] <bp0> hello, i've installed a driver from realtek r8168, to replace the r8169 driver that comes with the kernel... ut there are problems
[06:01] <bp0> the r8169 driver still loads after restart, even if i add it to blacklist
[06:01] <bp0> so, what else can i do to prevent that
[06:01] <virtuald> how do you blacklist it
[06:02] <bp0> add "blacklist r8169" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[06:02] <virtuald> ok then it's something else
[06:03] <virtuald> do rgrep r8169 /etc 2>/dev/null
[06:04] <virtuald> hmm maybe r8169 is loaded early, in the initramfs. in that case you have to run update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`
[06:04] <bp0> 2 lines result.. my blacklist line and:
[06:04] <bp0> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules:# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
[06:05] <bp0> trying the second thing...
[06:05] <bp0> i guess i must restart now...
[06:05] <bp0> brb
[06:05] <shadeslayer> hi i cant seem to launch the gnome application launcher with Alt+F2
[06:06] <virtuald> shadeslayer: is it set to alt-f2 in keybinding properties?
[06:07] <shadeslayer> virtuald: yep
[06:07] <virtuald> o.o
[06:08] <shadeslayer> virtuald: btw i have kdm as the login manager
[06:08] <shadeslayer> maybe that is the issue?
[06:08] <virtuald> only if you're trying alt-f2 at the login prompt, which wont ever work
[06:08] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[06:08] <Steil> uhm
[06:08] <Steil> ctrl + alt + F2
[06:09] <bp0> virtuald, thanks
[06:09] <Blue11> why no updates in the last 2 days?
[06:09] <virtuald> :)
[06:09] <shadeslayer> well i used gdm recently and it worked.. but since ive switched to kdm..
[06:09] <shadeslayer> Blue11: archive is frozen,no new packages come in
[06:10] <Blue11> shadeslayer: I thought this might have something to do with it:  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[06:11] <shadeslayer> Blue11: dont think so...
[06:11] <shadeslayer> works perfectly here
[06:12] <Blue11> I have had random lockups - that would certainly explain them
[06:14] <shadeslayer> hmm.. well i have the nouveau driver from the edgers ppa,maybe thats why?
[06:14] <Blue11> friday will be interesting
[06:15] <Blue11> ghetto birds
[06:15] <shadeslayer> oh come on... why wont alt+f2 work!
[06:16] <Blue11> its not over the hump yet?
[06:23] <bilalakhtar> Hello people is lucid lynx quite stable in its beta 2 stage? If it is then I will upgrade to Lucid RC tomorrow
[06:24] <Blue11> unknown they found a memory leak
[06:25] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: i would be better to do a fresh install then an upgrade - less problems
[06:26] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: But I have installed tons of software from PPAs, universe, etc, and It will take time to download and install them after a fresh install
[06:26] <bp0> bilalakhtar, i've had good luck with it
[06:26] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: I don't have a very fast net connection
[06:26] <rafaelsoaresbr> Blue11, Sure
[06:26] <bp0> much better than 9.04->9.10
[06:26] <bp0> that was a catastrophe
[06:26] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: I've never had any luck with doing upgrades - I just backup /etc/ and /home/ and do a fresh install
[06:27] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: You never tried them or they failed?
[06:27] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: failed
[06:27] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: I never tried them, I moved from 8.10 to 9.04 using fresh install, same for 9.04 to 9.10
[06:28] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: Id recommend a fresh installl over an upgrade anyday
[06:28] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: What kind of an error comes???
[06:28] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: unable to boot, boot conf hosed, gdm problems, sound problems, etc
[06:29] <bilalakhtar> I think a network upgrade is nothing but a change of repos and apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:29] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: indeed
[06:29] <jjcv> upgrades work okay if you have installed standard software but if you have installed other stuff ie PPAs then there could be problems.  Backup first.
[06:29] <Blue11> jjcv: pretend it's microsoft - backup early and often
[06:29] <bilalakhtar> jjcv: Aren't the PPAs disabled after upgrade?
[06:30] <bilalakhtar> After all, my question was - Is lucid stable in beta 2? so that I could install RC
[06:30] <jjcv> bilalakhtar: yip but if there can be problems with package and library conflicts that cause problems during upgrades.   Backup first.  :-)
[06:31] <jjcv> bilalakhtar:  It's pretty stable for me.  I have problems with Beta 1 but did a reinstalled of beta 2.
[06:32] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: i have problems with lucid -- sound problems (alsa driver), no compiz (cause of ati's legacy drivers), system tray crashes, gconf/gdm lockups
[06:32] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: is it stable?  that depends really on the hardware you're using - like they say YMMV
[06:32] <bilalakhtar> !ymmv
[06:34] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: My hardware has always caused problems for me in Ubuntu. I have Toshiba bluetooth stack (not supported by the official drivers) , ATI Card (ati card have problems on linux), Soft Modem (have to use proprietary drivers)
[06:35] <bilalakhtar> But still I will brave the upgrade to lucid RC
[06:35] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: the ati deriver are functional in that they work -  but that's about all they do - screen updating is very slow - otoh, I have an old card too.
[06:36] <rafaelsoaresbr> default search engine has been changed to Yahoo... why? oh no...
[06:36] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: I have a new card, 512MB graphic ram, fast chipset, still problems
[06:36] <Blue11> i should never be able to overtype the input buffer, but I do.
[06:36] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: It has been shifted back to google. see this:- http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[06:38] <rafaelsoaresbr> bilalakhtar, isn't it the default home page?
[06:38] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: it is
[06:38] <SandGorgon> This weekend, I'm going back to 9.10 and maybe enable backports - but 10.04 is not worth it for me.
[06:39] <rafaelsoaresbr> bilalakhtar, what is besides adreess bar? Google or Yahoo!?
[06:40] <Blue11> SandGorgon: I had to enable backports in 9.10 to get my wlan card to work
[06:40] <DanaG> Toshiba bluetooth controller... hm, actually, it's more likely a standard BT controller, hidden behind an rfkill device.
[06:40] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: I don't know
[06:40] <DanaG> Consider trying out one of the "kernel-ppa" 34-rc4 kernels.
[06:40] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: you can change that
[06:40] <DanaG> It has a new driver for Toshiba stuff.
[06:41] <Blue11> SandGorgon: http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=152
[06:41] <rafaelsoaresbr> bilalakhtar, thanks, aren't you running 10.04?
[06:42] <SandGorgon> Blue11, yup.. it essentially means all the goodness of 10.04 (drivers, etc.) with none of the crap (Plymouth, etc.)
[06:42] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: This stack is supported, but the problem is that there is no software to enable the toshiba bluetooth stack. it is automatically turned off by the bios, and there is no option in the bios setup
[06:42] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: no
[06:42] <bilalakhtar> SandGorgon: Plymouth is NOT crap :)
[06:42] <Blue11> SandGorgon: plymouth has seen many a system fail -- don't recomend it
[06:43] <Blue11> they should have used a buick!  ;-)
[06:43] <rafaelsoaresbr> what about RC?
[06:44] <bilalakhtar> People, I heard that there is some memory leak problem in Lucid. What is it?
[06:45] <DanaG> "stack" is the wrong word!
[06:45] <SwedeMike> bilalakhtar: x.org
[06:45] <DanaG> The Linux bluetooth stack is Bluez.
[06:45] <SwedeMike> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[06:45] <DanaG> Try installing toshset
[06:45] <bilalakhtar> SwedeMike: I know that it is in x11
[06:45] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Toshset can only deal with toshiba bios; I have a toshiba laptop with a phoenix bios
[06:46] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[06:46] <Damascene> I'm not getting any update since yesterday
[06:46] <DanaG> Ew.
[06:46] <Damascene> is there something going on?
[06:46] <Blue11> Damascene: right they are trying to nail things down
[06:46] <DanaG> Does rfkill show anything?
[06:47] <Damascene> Blue11, what does that mean?
[06:47] <Blue11> Damascene: well the memory leak problem they discovered has made them address this issue first - so no more updates till resolved - from what I am seeing
[06:48] <DanaG> http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Toshiba_Satellite_U400-138
[06:48] <DanaG> Check for "omnibook"
[06:48] <Damascene> ok thanks Blue11
[06:48] <Blue11> Damascene: scroll back and you'll see the link to the article
[06:49] <Damascene> I got it in the mail list
[06:49] <Damascene> but I didn't know about the freeze
[06:49] <DanaG> Consider trying the omnibook module.
[06:50] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: I considered installing it, but I thought ; Why to screw up the system for something that has alternatives like the alternative of bluetooth is usb?
[06:51] <DanaG> Actually, it's not too hard to install just one module.
[06:53] <selig5> about half the time I boot into Lucid the pointer/cursor is a negative image of a cursor
[06:54] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Omnibook is available in DEB format?
[06:54] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: http://sourceforge.net/projects/omnibook
[06:54] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-587636.html
[06:56] <rafaelsoaresbr> openSUSE is so beautiful, it looks like kubuntu 10.04
[06:57] <rafaelsoaresbr> kde plasma rules
[06:57] <iconmefisto_> rafaelsoaresbr: so... kde is beautiful?
[06:57] <rafaelsoaresbr> iconmefisto_, yes
[06:57] <Ken8521> rafaelsoaresbr, really?
[06:57] <iconmefisto_> rafaelsoaresbr: agreed :)
[06:57] <Blue11> rafaelsoaresbr: i went from suse to ubuntu
[06:57] <Ken8521> kde is the rosie o donnell of linux GUI's
[06:57] <Ken8521> suse is solid
[06:58] <Blue11> Ken8521it's a d*ke?
[06:58] <iconmefisto_> rosie o donnell? what does that mean?
[06:58] <Blue11> Ken8521 yes but novell is on the skids
[06:58] <Ken8521> i only use the gnome version though.
[06:58] <Ken8521> Blue11, yeah, unfortunately, hopefully it gets picked up
[06:58] <Ken8521> iconmefisto_, google image rosie odonnell, you'll see what i mean
[06:59] <iconmefisto_> Ken8521: so you mean kde is ugly? like rosie? that's just insane
[06:59] <Ken8521> iconmefisto_, yes, thats what i mean
[06:59] <rafaelsoaresbr> i'm more familiar with gnome, apt-get. not yum and kde
[06:59] <Ken8521> rafaelsoaresbr, yum is actually for RH distros, has nothing to do w/ KDE
[07:00] <Ken8521> yum, is actually very very similar to apt-get
[07:00] <jjcv> I've always found yum very slow
[07:00] <Blue11> Ken8521 I always used zypper
[07:00] <Ken8521> jjcv, i've not..
[07:00] <rafaelsoaresbr> Ken8521, I mean Ubuntu vs openSUSE
[07:00] <Ken8521> Blue11, never heard of zipper.
[07:00] <Ken8521> rafaelsoaresbr, oh ok.
[07:01] <Blue11> zypper (rpm) is to suse as apt-get is to ubuntu  (dpkg)
[07:01] <Ken8521> oh ok
[07:02] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: that was consise
[07:03] <Blue11> best I could do
[07:03] <rafaelsoaresbr> Ken8521, I have both installed in my laptop.
[07:03] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: no, it was good
[07:04] <rafaelsoaresbr> Grub2 has listed all the six OS installed here. Great!
[07:04] <Ken8521> rafaelsoaresbr, sounds good.
[07:04] <Ken8521> i'm a minimalist for the most part, try not to have 8 OS's on mymachine
[07:04] <Blue11> Ken8521 I dual boot windows and ubuntu
[07:04] <Blue11> i haven't learned how to do vm yet
[07:05] <djbender> So is anyone else refreshing ubuntu.com waiting for the RC? xD
[07:05] <Ken8521> Blue11, depending on what you need VM for, it is VERY easy...
[07:05] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: virtualbox is quite easy to figure out
[07:05] <Blue11> Ken8521 I have never set it up so don't know how to do it.
[07:05] <Ken8521> yup.
[07:05] <Ken8521> Blue11, you can be brain dead and do it.
[07:05] <Ken8521> its that easy
[07:06] <shanks> very easy
[07:06] <Blue11> Ken8521 so easy a zombie could do it?
[07:06] <Ken8521> Blue11, lol, yup.
[07:07] <rafaelsoaresbr> djbender, the RC, it's two o'clock and nothing hapens
[07:07] <Ken8521> Blue11, thats my dual screen setup.... running 10.04 on the left, XP in Vbox on the right.   http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/dual.jpg
[07:07] <rafaelsoaresbr> Ken8521, cool
[07:08] <Blue11> Ken8521 omw
[07:08] <MGMTM3> thats a cool setup
[07:08] <Ken8521> i like it
[07:08] <Blue11> Ken8521 what software are you running on the vm to run windows?
[07:08] <Ken8521> i don't boot XP often.. usually to sync my 80gig zune, or my 4gig nano
[07:08] <Ken8521> Blue11, what do you mean?
[07:08] <MGMTM3> lol I boot windows to play video games
[07:09] <Ken8521> MGMTM3, yeah, unfortunately for that, Vbox won't do to well.
[07:09] <MGMTM3> thats it
[07:09] <Blue11> well the vm runs under linux right?  so windows doesn't run natively under linux - so what software ru using to run windows?
[07:09] <Ken8521> Blue11, its called Virtualbox
[07:09] <MGMTM3> yeah linux as much as I love it needs some more game support
[07:09] <Blue11> Ken8521 does it have usb support?
[07:09] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: VMs can run under any OS
[07:09] <DanaG> Ken8521: if Zune uses MTP, there are apps that'll do MTP.
[07:10] <Blue11> DanaG: my sansa mp3 player is supported under linux
[07:10] <Ken8521> Blue11, the "non free" version does.. it doesn't cost money, but you can't modify the source code.. the open source edition, where you can modify source code, does not have usb suppot
[07:10]  * DanaG has a Cowon S9.
[07:10] <DanaG> USB Mass Storage, woot.
[07:10] <Blue11> Ken8521 I need something that runs windows under linux with usb support
[07:10] <Ken8521> DanaG, trust me, a Zune will 100% not sync on Linux
[07:10] <DanaG> Even does Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC.
[07:11] <Ken8521> Blue11, vbox will run USB support fine... what do you anticipate needing vbox for?
[07:11] <Blue11> Ken8521 I'd like to NOT have to dual boot
[07:11] <MGMTM3> yeah I hear microsoft products don't play the best with linux :)
[07:11] <Ken8521> Blue11, i understand... What do you use Windows for?
[07:11] <Blue11> Ken8521 I have a diabetes meter that has no software for linux
[07:11] <MGMTM3> I would love to not dual boot :(
[07:11] <Ken8521> Blue11, hmm, well, its free to try.. do you have a windows cd?
[07:12] <Blue11> yes
[07:12] <Blue11> Ken8521 xp pro
[07:12] <Terminus> i've found that the best way to not dual boot is to have multiple computers. =(
[07:12] <Ken8521> MGMTM3, i dual booted for a long, long time... then i got my Zune to work w/ Samba, after that, i nuked it
[07:12] <Ken8521> Blue11, ok... how much spcae is on your Linux partition?
[07:12] <Blue11> Ken8521 dunno let me check
[07:12] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: there's #vbox if you have questions about setting it up too
[07:13] <MGMTM3> Ken8521, yeah as soon as I can figure out how to game on linux it will be bye bye windows
[07:13] <Blue11> Ken8521 I have about 60 g free
[07:13] <Ken8521> MGMTM3, i think thats a lone way out.
[07:13] <Ken8521> Blue11, thats PLENTY..
[07:13] <Ken8521> you want me to talk you through it real quick?
[07:13] <Blue11> sure pm okay?
[07:13] <MGMTM3> ken8521 I hear you
[07:13] <Ken8521> um, yeah.. thats cool
[07:13] <DanaG> Ken8521: consider downloading the Media Center "Royale" theme.
[07:13] <DanaG> It looks far nicer than stock XP.
[07:14] <Ken8521> DanaG, well, considering XP is booted for about 5-10min a month no my machine..lol, i don't care what it looks like
[07:14] <MGMTM3> haha
[07:14] <DanaG> http://grandstreamdreams.blogspot.com/2008/10/xp-embedded-theme-cool-blue.html
[07:14] <MGMTM3> DanaG true though the royale theme is much nicer to look at.  takes away the fisher price look
[07:14] <DanaG> there's also that one, now.
[07:14] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Omnibook didn't work for me
[07:15] <DanaG> Bummer.
[07:15] <MGMTM3> There is always windows 2000 :D
[07:15] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=316358&page=11
[07:16] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Thanks for this guide :_
[07:21] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Thanks, IT WORKS!!!!!!!!
[07:21] <bilalakhtar> !!!!
[07:21]  * bilalakhtar is a happy guy now
[07:21] <DanaG> Cool.
[07:21] <MGMTM3> what is the off topic channel?
[07:21] <LinuxGuy2009> Hey guys I just got back with a copy of Avatar and I was wondering if I can just use dd to make an ISO of it and then watch it on my netbook in bed with VLC or Totem-Xine?
[07:21] <SandGorgon> Lancelot launcher in Kubuntu also looks nice (have to install it explicitly in 10.04) http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVy8VUS
[07:21] <bilalakhtar> !ot > MGMTM3
[07:22] <DanaG> There are things that can make rips of blue-ray.  True enough, it is off-topic.
[07:22] <LinuxGuy2009> No its the DVD format
[07:23] <SandGorgon> LinuxGuy2009, checkout out Handbrake
[07:23] <LinuxGuy2009> So I have to rip it? Cant just make an ISO and play that so i dont have to wait for encoding before i watch it?
[07:24] <DanaG> Not sure... it may be possible.
[07:24] <LinuxGuy2009> handbrake dont work on lucid anyways.
[07:26] <SandGorgon> LinuxGuy2009, of course you can use dd "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso"
[07:26] <LinuxGuy2009> Thats what Im trying right now. Thanks. Cant wait to see this movie!
[07:32] <Ken8521> hmm, what movie was that?
[07:45] <Damascene> http://uppix.net/e/6/9/087dd1ea4d06f542f6b1cf36f7b5b.png I've this kernel error problem that couldn't report
[07:48] <Damascene> ubuntu-bug said that I the kernel I've have is old but I was updated
[07:57] <iconmefisto_> Damascene: try changing download sources and update/upgrade
[07:58] <nishanth> any one know how to make plymouth-solar work?
[08:14] <nishanth> any one know how to make plymouth-solar work?
[08:15] <iconmefisto> nishanth: did you see my answer before?
[08:16] <nishanth> no
[08:16] <iconmefisto> nishanth: if you've already installed it, sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[08:17] <iconmefisto> nishanth: after choosing the theme, sudo update-initramfs -u
[08:19] <nishanth> iconmefisto: i enter the number for the selection but then it repeat re-display the msg to enter the selection
[08:21] <pepee> well, no more memory leak from X for me
[08:22] <iconmefisto> nishanth: is the * on the solar theme after it re-displays the list?
[08:22] <pepee> at least after some hours of using my pc
[08:23] <Fudge> hi guys, why does openoffice get downlaoded with apt-get during an upgrade
[08:24] <nishanth> iconmefisto: the * is on 0 ... but it should be on 1
[08:25] <nishanth> 10
[08:26] <nishanth> oh ok figured it out
[08:26] <iconmefisto> nishanth: so it's the 10th choice on the list? I wonder if the 2 digits is the source of the problem
[08:32] <avgeneral> running lucid, volume control in notification shows "---"
[08:32] <avgeneral> cannot control volume
[08:40] <Ken8521> avgeneral, i take it you're getting no sound... right?
[08:40] <avgeneral> surprisingly i do get sound
[08:40] <avgeneral> I just can't change the volume
[08:41] <Ken8521> avgeneral, just as a tst, open a terminal, and type "alsamixer" no quotes, hit enter
[08:41] <Ken8521> and see if you can adjust the meters there, and ajust your sound
[08:41] <avgeneral> yes i can
[08:41] <firbfs> Hello
[08:42] <Ken8521> what happens when you go to system/pref/sound
[08:42] <firbfs> Anyone heard of issues with 10.04 and wine?
[08:42] <firbfs> Installs but that is all I can get to work
[08:42] <avgeneral> waiting for sound system to respond
[08:42] <avgeneral> stuck at that window
[08:42] <Ken8521> hmm, that doesn't sound right
[08:42] <avgeneral> not it doesn't
[08:43] <Ken8521> firbfs, if you're having a problem installing an app in wine, thats really best left to #wine
[08:43] <topyli> firbfs, nope, wine is working just as before
[08:43] <firbfs> Ok, thanks
[08:44] <Ken8521> wine works fine for me as well
[08:44] <iconmefisto> wine works better than previously, at least for sketchup
[08:44] <topyli> firbfs, you're not trying to "run wine" are you? sorry, just checking :)
[08:44] <Ken8521> i thought there was a linux version of sketchup?
[08:44] <avgeneral> I think the Start Up Applications might have indirectly broke the Sound manager
[08:45] <iconmefisto> Ken8521: really? news to me
[08:45] <Ken8521> iconmefisto, i could have swore there was.
[08:45] <Ken8521> i might be thinking of google earth or some other google app
[08:46] <avgeneral> btw anyone know if the RC version has been released yet?
[08:46] <Ken8521> dunno..
[08:47] <bullgard4> When will Update Manager send an automatic notification on my desktop that new updates are available?
[08:47] <avgeneral> never showed up on mine
[08:47] <Ken8521> probably when its available.. :)
[08:47] <avgeneral> I had to start it manually
[08:47] <avgeneral> and there lots of updates available
[08:47] <Ken8521> it's shown up on mine most of the time, usually though, i update manually before it does
[08:50] <bmwiedemann> I have a problem with NIS groups on lucid. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/553142
[08:52] <bmwiedemann> Does someone here have NIS experience? is nsswitch.conf supposed to need the "nis" behind "compat" ?
[08:53] <artnay> what is the chance that this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 - only occurs on i5/i7 and 5xxx combination?
[08:54] <artnay> 5xxx GPUs seem to work just fine for some but I have no idea which CPU/chipset they use
[08:54] <bmwiedemann> artnay: I'd thing graphics chip has most impact. CPU is usually not an issue. Sometimes 32/64 bit can matter.
[08:54] <artnay> bmwiedemann: this happens on both 32 and 64 bit
[08:55] <bmwiedemann> are there different drivers for hd5xxx cards? such as fglrx?
[08:56] <artnay> bmwiedemann: the thing is that people are unable to even boot live CD (so there's no possibility to enable fglrx)
[08:57] <bmwiedemann> but hd5xxx cards are pretty recent, so maybe the driver doesnt do KMS properly
[08:58] <artnay> bmwiedemann: yes, they were released like 6-7 months ago. and since then those GPUs have been the most sold separate GPUs which only makes this bug more serious (a lot of people unable to even boot the system)
[08:59] <bmwiedemann> artnay: so it would be good to either fix KMS or have the driver auto-disable it for this kind of device
[09:00] <artnay> I think I saw a bug report of this on kernel bugzilla and it had some comments that those GPUs would work on .33 - obviously the patch hasn't been imported to Ubuntu's kernel
[09:00] <bmwiedemann> I heard a lot of .33 code has been backported to ubuntus .32 already
[09:01] <bullgard4> When will Update Manager send an automatic notification on my desktop that new updates are available?
[09:02] <howlymowly> hi poeple... short question:  for a lot of packages in ubuntu lucid I get "no candidate version found" i guess this is because I am using the beta version?
[09:04] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: get any errors when you sudo apt-get update ?
[09:05] <howlymowly> iconmefisto: nope
[09:05] <howlymowly> my problem is specifically about python2.5
[09:05] <howlymowly> it say no candidate version found for python2.5
[09:06] <iconmefisto> !info python2.5
[09:06] <billy2007> does anyone here acctually work for ubuntu can you tell me why the appearence of my screen keeps changing
[09:07] <howlymowly> ubottu: what do you mean "does not exist" :) why is it in my package list then?
[09:08] <howlymowly> hmm. what's the command for the bot to tell me why python2.5 does not exist :)?
[09:08] <howlymowly> hmm. i guess google...
[09:08] <howlymowly> i the command
[09:08] <billy2007> there wont be a command
[09:09] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: try searching for the package at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:09] <billy2007> its not in lucid end of
[09:10] <howlymowly> billy2007: but why is it in my updated package list in aptitude? (I am just interested how this stuff works)
[09:10] <BUGabundo_remote> Get up on your Horse, and Ride till the Sunset 0/
[09:10] <sveinse> How come the fonts of the console is different from emacs fonts?
[09:11] <billy2007> that i couldnt tell you hmm
[09:11] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: other sources? PPAs maybe?
[09:13] <iconmefisto> !info python3
[09:13] <howlymowly> !info python2.5
[09:13] <howlymowly> !info python2.4
[09:14] <howlymowly> iconmefisto: I'll search for it :)
[09:14] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: there's python2.5 packages for karmic
[09:14] <howlymowly> would it be easy to add a karmic ppa to my ppa list iconmefisto?
[09:15] <howlymowly> installing all the python2.5 requirements by hand could be somewhat difficult
[09:15] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: it would be easy to do, but depending on what you install, it could be messy, or even disastrous
[09:15] <howlymowly> hmm..  and there is no workaround :)?  something similar like the ubuntu backports ppa...
[09:16] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: google for a ppa with python2.5 for lucid specifically
[09:17] <joaopinto> howlymowly, it's very unlikely that you find one
[09:17] <howlymowly> joaopinto: reasons :)?
[09:17] <joaopinto> holstein, obsolete
[09:17] <joaopinto> ops howlymowly
[09:18] <joaopinto> most currently supported software has moved to 2.6 some time ago
[09:18] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: joaopinto tends to be right about most things :)
[09:19] <joaopinto> iconmefisto, ;)
[09:19] <howlymowly> too bad that the software I need depends on python 2.5 ^^
[09:19] <billy2007> can anyone tell me why i have to open the appearce windo everytime i start up lucid it resetsd everytime i restart
[09:20] <howlymowly> but still the issue with the ppa: why is python 2.5 in my aptitude list then? --> I did a fresh install of kubuntu 10.04 joaopinto, iconmefisto
[09:20] <vega> billy2007: because of a bug
[09:20] <artnay> bmwiedemann: it's mentioned in the bug report that nomodeset and/or radeon.modeset=0 (which should disable KMS) don't seem to work
[09:20] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: I actually have it installed, I suppose left over from karmic
[09:21] <howlymowly> ahh.. so that's why... just so that ubunu does not deinstall it when upgrading from karmic...
[09:22] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: if I try reinstalling it, I get: Reinstallation of python2.5 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[09:22] <howlymowly> kk... i see
[09:22] <bmwiedemann> artnay: only for some it worked and for some it didnt.
[09:22] <joaopinto> howlymowly, did you upgrade ?
[09:22] <joaopinto> from karmic to lucid ?
[09:22] <howlymowly> nope..  i did a fresh install joaopinto
[09:22] <billy2007> vega what do you mean a system glitch because its alpha or just my pc
[09:23] <sveinse> How come the font rendering differs so much for Monospace 8 (96 DPI) from Slight to None/Medium/Full Hinting?
[09:23] <joaopinto> howlymowly, apt-cache policy python2.5, there is no installation candidate
[09:24] <howlymowly> joaopinto: i guess I will install the packages from karmic then, manually..
[09:24] <billy2007> howlymowly, you may chave bneen better going from karmic you SHOULD be able to kep most programs when upgrsading
[09:24] <joaopinto> howlymowly, that will break your system
[09:25] <joaopinto> I mean, it might break
[09:25] <howlymowly> actually I tried an update...  but for some reason that update broke my system...
[09:25] <howlymowly> i did not want to go throgh the hassel of figuring out, why and repair it.. i just threw a fresh install on my computer
[09:25] <iconmefisto> joaopinto: what I don't understand is why 2.5 is still installed rather than upgraded after karmic > lucid
[09:26] <billy2007> same here
[09:26] <howlymowly> iconmefisto: python 2.6 was already the successor of 2.5 in karmic 2.5 was just there for backwards compatibility
[09:27] <howlymowly> so there was no need to upgrade it i guess
[09:28] <bp0> so when's this RC gonna drop, yo?
[09:31] <ikonia> bp0: any chance you could ask that in no-gangster english ?
[09:32] <bp0> do you have a problem with gangster english?
[09:32] <joaopinto> bp0, today
[09:32] <ikonia> bp0: yes, it's not clear what people are actually asking, the channel is for clear English please.
[09:33] <joaopinto> ikonia, the question was quite clear despite the "bad" english, do we have a new policy which enforces good english ?
[09:33] <ikonia> joaopinto: things like non-leet or text speak yes
[09:33] <joaopinto> if that's the case you may need to warn non native english speakers also
[09:33] <ikonia> gangsta speak is just another extension of that
[09:34] <joaopinto> ikonia, did you have problems understand his question ? Is he violating some rule ?
[09:34] <ikonia> joaopinto: everyone makes grammatical errors, it's not a problem, but text/leet/gansta style chat is just not called for and makes it harder for people who are non-english speaakers
[09:34] <bp0> don't actually speak like this, it was kindof a joke.
[09:34] <ikonia> bp0: that's cool then
[09:34] <joaopinto> ikonia, I am not an english speaker and could easily understand it :)
[09:34] <ikonia> joaopinto: not every non-english speakers, not all are as fluent as yourself
[09:35] <joaopinto> ikonia, same applies to several users which don't have a proper english to be understandable ;)
[09:35] <iconmefisto> take the "yo" off and it's not very gansta
[09:35] <ikonia> joaopinto: very true
[09:36] <joaopinto> bp0, but if you installed beta and kept upgrading you are using RC
[09:36] <joaopinto> the archives have been frozen the last couple of days
[09:36] <ikonia> I thought a few patches had slipped through though ?
[09:37] <ikonia> or did that happen before the freeze ?
[09:37] <joaopinto> oh wait, I have updates today
[09:37] <ikonia> ahhh good, you too then
[09:37] <artnay> bmwiedemann: are you aware if these files - http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=33016 - are included? in the original bug report it's loading rv710 which isn't even for 5xxx series! (though his/hers lspci says 4350)
[09:38] <bmwiedemann> artnay: sorry, have no idea.
[09:38] <bp0> aside:  check out the text in "Forget Your Ride, Pimp Your German!" box...
[09:38] <bp0> that is funny.
[09:39] <ikonia> it's also not really for this channel
[09:39] <joaopinto> grr, wait, I am on a pre-RC-freeze system
[09:39] <joaopinto> this updates are pre-RC
[09:40] <osiris> Morning all
[09:40] <joaopinto> toda there is an upgrade, bit it's cairo-dock from universe
[09:40] <joaopinto> main is frozen
[09:41] <osiris> Has anyone noticed a bug with screensavers locking up the system?
[09:41] <vega> "startup applications" is still broken 9.10 and 10.04 .. all own additions disappear randomly
[09:42] <ikonia> joaopinto: ahhh that makes more sense, the updates aren't coming from mine
[09:42] <ikonia> mane
[09:42] <ikonia> main even
[09:42] <MGMTM3> osiris morning (night here) I have noticed when I was using GLX 1.4 I had lock ups on the screen saver.  I went to 1.2 and everything has been fine since.  I don't know if they are related though.
[09:43] <osiris> I dont know whether its the ATI Drivers MGMTM3
[09:44] <osiris> Ahh, That's weird i just tried typing my screensaver password into the "locked up state" and it let me back to the desktop
[09:44] <MGMTM3> osiris, I am just using the stock open source ATI driver since the proprietary one wasnt working too well in the first place.
[09:44] <iconmefisto> osiris: open source ati, or fglrx?
[09:45] <osiris> iconmefisto, fglrx is there still a problem? i thought it had been fixed for beta2
[09:45] <osiris> looks like the screensaver wasnt focusing on the password dialogue
[09:45] <MGMTM3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak try this
[09:46] <iconmefisto> osiris: I use the opensource driver. screensavers don't cause a problem here, but I occasionally get X crashing and restarting. maybe once every 2 days
[09:47] <osiris> I will do some more testing
[09:47] <osiris> 10.4 is looking very nice though
[09:48] <MGMTM3> indeed 10/4 is looking great.  Feels very refined for a beta
[09:57] <allo> hi
[09:57] <allo> does somebody know how the partman in lucid installer changed?
[09:57] <allo> preseeding with partition-layout seems not to work correct, anymore
[09:57] <allo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-partitioning/+bug/568290
[10:00] <nishanth> plymouth doesnot work during boot.....anyone know how to fix it?
[10:00] <CaNoc> hello, how can I disable auto-start service?
[10:06] <artnay> bmwiedemann: I can't even find Evergreen firmwares from linux-firmware so... no wonder if it doesn't work!
[10:07] <bmwiedemann> artnay: but it should be made to fail gracefully... i.e. notice that it cant work and disable KMS
[10:07] <artnay> bmwiedemann: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 see my last comment. these CEDAR, CYPRESS, JUNIPER, REDWOOD firmwares are missing!
[10:10] <bmwiedemann> artnay: original reporter states that he doesnt have hd5xxx himself but knows those people. thus the lspci
[10:14] <alvin> nishanth: Do you get an error message?
[10:14] <maxb> Has anyone found that graphical display corruption has been sporadically happening with recent lucid?
[10:14] <maxb> Across both nvidia and ati cards
[10:16] <DanaG> Love that "To Be Filled By O.E.M." bit.
[10:16] <artnay> bmwiedemann: yeah, true. anyways I added one more comment: "Evergreen support seems to be missing from linux-firmware."
[10:17] <DanaG> The evergreen naming is "nice"... but it's hard to tell if cedar < cypress < juniper (or whatever).
[10:19] <nishanth> alvin: no it just simply dont show up
[10:22] <nishanth>  plymouth doesnot work during boot.....anyone know how to fix it?
[10:23] <iconmefisto> nishanth: so you can boot ok, but don't see the boot splash?
[10:25] <red2kic> Hi all. What packages are responsible for analyzing hardware / properitiy drivers? I usually enable Nvidia Drivers in jockey-gtk. However, on Lucid, it never came up and I ended up installing it manually (particular packages). Now it's under Jockey. It is activated, but not in use. Suggestions?
[10:28] <iconmefisto> red2kic: you could try using jockey-text in terminal
[10:28] <nishanth> iconmefisto: it was not visible before also.....but i see it during shutdown
[10:28] <red2kic> iconmefisto: No available drivers.
[10:29] <iconmefisto> red2kic: sudo jockey-text -l  (should hopefully list the driver you installed)
[10:30] <Fudge> hi, beta2 did an update upgrade and not sure why but when i log in through gdm now it goes to desktop and then back to gdm. how can i fix please?
[10:31] <iconmefisto> red2kic: if it's listed use the -e option to enable it. see jockey-text --help
[10:31] <red2kic> iconmefisto: kmod:nvidia_current - nvidia_current (Proprietary, Enabled, Not in use)
[10:32] <iconmefisto> red2kic: rebooted since installing it?
[10:33] <Fudge> any ideas please? xsession error says cant read .profile but its there and my user owns it
[10:33] <red2kic> iconmefisto: Yup. I have reboot. Also, I enabled it. The command return successfully (but nothing significant occurs).
[10:35] <red2kic> Brb. GOing to try and reboot.
[10:36] <iconmefisto> nishanth: do you have ati graphics?
[10:36] <nishanth> plymouth doesnot work during boot.....anyone know how to fix it?
[10:36] <Fudge> i get plymouth mountall errors but didnt know what it meant
[10:40] <alvin> Probably that plymouth isn't stable yet. I'd pay money to have an LTS release without plymouth/upstart/mountall.
[10:41] <red2kic> iconmefisto: Back. The /var/log/Xorg.0 reports (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found).
[10:42] <AnxiousNut_at_C> Is this normal? it's been more than 7 days only getting partial upgade/update when i try to update the system!!
[10:42] <DanaG> bug 559761
[10:42] <DanaG> Fudge: check that link.
[10:43] <iconmefisto> red2kic: so your card is not supported by the driver? I don't know much about nvidia drivers. all I have now is ati on 2 ubuntu installs
[10:45] <Fudge> danag not sure i can sorry, im blind and in console with a different screen reader im not used to
[10:45] <Fudge> does it say how to fix it?
[10:48] <alvin> mountall doesn't output errors to the console, but to a plymouth 'theme'. If I understand it correctly, the logic is mingled in the GUI code.
[10:52] <VitorAvelino> what time rc will be release?
[10:53] <Fudge> dam my number sign isnt where it should be i get £ insetad
[10:53] <Fudge> u cant comment with that can you in fstab?
[10:56] <Fudge> so is there a fix for not being able to login?
[10:56] <iconmefisto> Fudge: maybe you could copy/paste an existing # in fstab for now?
[10:56] <Fudge> i had a swap file in there that i dont have, coz of hte funny wya i had to install
[10:57] <Fudge> brb hopefully this works
[10:57] <Fudge> :d
[11:06] <ranjan> Wheres the Release Candidate!!!!!!!
[11:06] <ranjan> Wheres the Release Candidate!!!!!!!
[11:07] <HagenaarsDotNu> ranjan: this day still has a lot of hours left for it to be on time :)
[11:08] <ranjan> HagenaarsDotNu, So will it be available today itself??
[11:09] <turtlesoup> is there a specific time when releases are usually made?
[11:11] <beyondcr> dose anyone know if the creative xfi cards will be supported in 10.4? I am going nuts trying to get mine to make some noise...
[11:12] <HagenaarsDotNu> There are several people working on the release as we chat, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseProcess gives an indication of general release activity
[11:12] <Scarra3> Hey has the RC been released yet
[11:13] <AnxiousNut_at_C> does any body know when RC is going to be released?
[11:13] <yofel> AnxiousNut_at_C, Scarra3, turtlesoup: the release will be out sometime today, we don't know more than that
[11:14] <AnxiousNut_at_C> yofel: thanks for telling me, i didnt know it was due today! thanks again
[11:14] <Scarra3> Ok thx
[11:14] <pramod> Hi All
[11:14] <yofel> it will be announced in the topic when it's out
[11:15] <pramod> I hav a squid server bases on ubuntu
[11:15] <pramod> i want to block P2P at my site using squid
[11:15] <CaNoc> how can I disable auto-start service in 10.04?
[11:15] <pramod> how do i do it using iptables
[11:15] <HagenaarsDotNu> could somebody place https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseProcess in the topic, this might answer the questions about "is it there yet"
[11:16] <yofel> CaNoc: auto start? system service or user session service?
[11:17] <CaNoc> yofel: system service
[11:17] <pramod> anybody with ideas
[11:17] <CaNoc> yofel: don't know how to disable it with upstart
[11:17] <yofel> CaNoc: use update-rc.d for sysvinit scripts and for upstart scripts edit the 'start on' statement in  the /etc/init/<service>.conf file
[11:18] <CaNoc> yofel: so I must edit that .conf file? no command to do it?
[11:18] <yofel> CaNoc: no, not yet
[11:18] <CaNoc> yofel: thanks
[11:19] <BUGabundo_remote> on darn... release day
[11:19]  * BUGabundo_remote  mutes this  #
[11:20] <CaNoc> and I want to disable splash at boot up
[11:20] <CaNoc> want to know what's starting up
[11:22] <yofel> CaNoc: remove 'quiet splash' in /etc/default/grub and run 'sudo update-grub' after that to disable splash and show kernel  messages
[11:23] <alvin> But you will no longer see the error messages of mountall if you do that.
[11:28] <bmwiedemann> pramod: squid is a web-proxy. it can not block P2P
[11:29] <bmwiedemann> pramod: but you could block everything with iptables and just let squid communicate with the outside. was that what you meant?
[11:29] <yofel> alvin: why that?
[11:30] <alvin> yofel: bug 563916
[11:31] <yofel> bot gone...
[11:31] <alvin> Yeah, I was waiting for it
[11:31] <yofel> got it anyway, thanks
[11:32] <alvin> It's default on Ubuntu server. We server admins don't like splash stuff, but they took our error messages as well :-(
[11:32] <alvin> It's 'Linux for human beings', not 'Linux for sysadmins'
[11:33] <AnxiousNut_at_C> lol
[11:35] <yofel> yeah, I'm getting that feeling too for a while now...
[11:35] <yofel> wb ubottu
[11:38] <alvin> Question for the gnome users out here. Did you get XDMCP back at login in Lucid? (it's called 'remote servers' or someting)
[11:40] <crazy2k> Was the RC released?
[11:41] <bazhang> sometime later today
[11:43] <crazy2k> Ok :)
[12:05] <Take0n> Hello
[12:05] <Take0n> I have a problem with lucid. Almost everytime I try to boot my computer it crashes at the login window. I think it has to do with plymouth but it takes 9 out of 10 tries before I am able to login..
[12:09] <lapion> do you have an  intel video chipset ?
[12:10] <Take0n> how do I check?
[12:10] <Take0n> it's a HP notebook
[12:10] <iconmefisto> Take0n: lshw -c display
[12:10] <lapion> boot in safe mode and do lspci
[12:12] <matec> hi, are there still known problems with mountall?
[12:12] <Take0n> product: C51 [Geforce Go 6150]
[12:12] <Take0n> vendor: nVidia Corporation
[12:12] <matec> I justed booted up, my disks were checked and know mountall is consuming 100% cpu
[12:12] <matec> now
[12:12] <mungojerry> takeon, have you tried removing "quiet splash" from the kernel command at boot time?
[12:13] <mungojerry> i had problems with my geforce 5200 which were similar
[12:13] <Take0n> mungojerry, no I didn't and I don't even know how to do that
[12:13] <Take0n> I would do everything to be able to boot at first try.. cause when it crashes or goes to a blank screen I am not even able to shutdown the notebook by holding down the button
[12:14] <Take0n> I have to disconnect both battery and ac power to be able to turn it off
[12:14] <Take0n> it's very annoying
[12:14] <alvin> matec: Yes, there are still problems with mountall
[12:14] <mungojerry> when grub menu appears, press e on the line which you would normally select. then use arrows and delete key to remove the words "quiet splash", then hit ctrl-x to boot with those options
[12:14] <lapion> pressing the power button for more then 10 sec should turn off an y motebook
[12:14] <iconmefisto> mungojerry: you had to remove quiet too?
[12:14] <matec> alvin, it just stopped running... I have no idea what it was doing
[12:14] <Take0n> mungojerry, I don't see grub it boots directly ubuntu
[12:15] <Take0n> I have only ubuntu lucid installed
[12:15] <mungojerry> iconmefisto - not necessarily but it helps you see whats happening i guess.
[12:15] <Take0n> lapion, I know it should but it doesn't
[12:15] <yofel> matec: bug 567964 maybe
[12:16] <sinistrad> my laptop, also an HP, has problems with login screen - the mouse cursor isn't present until after I log in. I'm running nVidia 9600GT
[12:16] <mungojerry> takeon, just after the bios POST, then press arrow keys to get into grub menu, but be quick :P
[12:16] <iconmefisto> Take0n: to see the grub menu, hold down left shift key before booting, until it appears
[12:16] <matec> yofel, yes thank you
[12:17] <Take0n> thanks
[12:17] <Take0n> so I press e, remove quiet splash and press ctrl+x to boot then what?
[12:17] <petermaple> hi! anyone has a update for compiz of 0.8.4-ubuntu15? i update it but can never see my window border again~how is it going?
[12:17] <iconmefisto> Take0n: or you could edit the grub menu so it always boots without splash
[12:17] <sinistrad> only once have I seen the mouse cursor, and it was an xwindow cursor
[12:18] <Take0n> iconmefisto, if it boots without splash how would it look like when login window appears?
[12:18] <Take0n> I mean will it still be as it is now? username, photo pass etc
[12:18] <Take0n> ?
[12:18] <iconmefisto> Take0n: no idea how gnome login looks, but in kde the login screen would appear as normal
[12:19] <alvin> Booting without splash is nice, but be warned that you will NOT see mountall errors
[12:19] <sinistrad> Take0n, I believe removing splash will only get rid of the ubuntu logo with the status lights before you reach the login screen
[12:19] <mungojerry> correct
[12:20] <Take0n> aah could you please tell me how to edit the file right now so it will always boot without splash?
[12:20] <Take0n> and thanks for your time btw =)
[12:20] <iconmefisto> Take0n: edit /etc/default/grub
[12:21] <iconmefisto> Take0n: remove "quiet splash" from the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= line
[12:21] <iconmefisto> Take0n: after editing, do sudo update-grub
[12:21] <Take0n> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[12:22] <Take0n> should I comment the whole line or just remove "quiet splash" ?
[12:22] <Take0n> or just leave it "" ?
[12:22] <ccmonster> hey guys, when is the release candidate due today?
[12:22] <iconmefisto> Take0n: just remove it. leaving the quotes shouldn't be a problem. either way
[12:23] <iconmefisto> Take0n: commenting that line might work too, but I'm not sure
[12:23] <Take0n> I left empty quotes
[12:23] <Take0n> thank you! I will try it soon and hopefully it will work!
[12:24] <iconmefisto> Take0n: don't forget sudo update-grub after the edits
[12:24] <Take0n> oh thank you!
[12:25] <alvin> And press 'M' if your boot is stuck and you don't know what happened. With any luck, you'll get a recovery shell.
[12:26] <ccmonster> hey guys, if on boot, all i get is a blinking cursor, what are some options?
[12:27] <alvin> For all people who want to know what is going on at boot: vote for this bug 328881
[12:28] <alvin> It's currently marked invalid, but I wouldn't know where else to ask for content in /var/log/boot
[12:30] <yofel> you get boot logging if you add --verbose or --debug to the kernel line I think, upstart catches those options
[12:30] <yofel> alvin: and that bug is not invalid, only the ubuntu bug task is invalid,  the official taks is accepted/whishlist
[12:31] <topyli> printing to my smb printer, i get about 1 page per minute. this is not very fast. is it a known bug or am i just unlucky?
[12:31] <alvin> Ah, good that it's not invalid. Does changing the kernel line put the output in /var/log/boot ? The official method is /etc/default/bootlogd, but that isn't working (and potentially destructive)
[12:32] <petermaple> can anyone help me with my question? compiz 0.8.4-ubuntu15 can't working properly~
[12:32] <ccmonster> no one?
[12:32] <ccmonster> I can't even get a boot :|
[12:32] <ccmonster> I did a update yesterday, and on reboot, poof. Blinking cursor, no grub screen, nothing.
[12:32] <yofel> not sure, we have a /var/log/boot.log, but I don't know what exactly gets there
[12:35] <alvin> ccmonster: Have you tried Alt+F7 during boot?
[12:35] <alvin> and can you tell us a bit more about your setup? disks, volumes, RAID,...
[12:36] <ccmonster> I have not tried F7
[12:36] <ccmonster> alt+F7
[12:36] <ccmonster> 2 partitions. Main, and I mounted a seperate one to /home/oldstuff
[12:37] <alvin> Wait? what? Only 2 partitions should be / and swap.
[12:37] <ccmonster> Well, of course.
[12:37] <alvin> on 1 disk?
[12:38] <ccmonster> Let me rephrase. swap , / , and a seperate partition mounted into /home/oldstuff/
[12:38] <ccmonster> 1 disk
[12:38] <alvin> What filesystems? ext3/4?
[12:39] <ccmonster> 4
[12:39] <alvin> That setup doesn't look very troublesome to me. Can you boot with a livecd?
[12:39] <ccmonster> haven't tried yet
[12:39] <ccmonster> I am at home, and its an extra work machine
[12:40] <ccmonster> was trying to get a lead/diagnosis so I knew what to do on that machine since I wont have a working computer for a little bit
[12:40] <ccmonster> I am sure a live cd will boot just fine
[12:41] <alvin> Well, it's a beta OS. I have no better answer yet. There are still a lot of issues.
[12:42] <ccmonster> Sure.
[12:42] <ccmonster> It is RC day however :|
[12:50] <alvin> Good news: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes There will be output in /var/log/boot !
[12:55] <faruk> hi eveyone
[12:55] <sinistrad> My mouse cursor is invisible on the login screen
[12:55] <faruk> where is rc?
[12:55] <faruk> will it release today?
[12:56] <faruk> or are there any change log about rc?
[12:56] <sinistrad> faruk, there has been talk in here that it will
[12:56] <faruk> sinistrad: i'm new
[12:56] <thux> hi, is every boot fsck bug or a feature in lucid? all my three netbooks do fsck in every boot
[12:57] <faruk> how can i find change log about 10.04 rc?
[12:57] <sinistrad> not sure.  I'd have to google it if I wanted to know
[12:58] <Pici> faruk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes
[12:59] <sinistrad> thux, I'm not sure if that is some sort of feature with netbooks or not. Many have SSD drives, but I'm not sure of the checking routine on those
[13:00] <thux> ok thanks
[13:00] <sinistrad> hang out for a bit and ask again, someone might know
[13:01] <thux> ok sure thanks
[13:01] <faruk> Pici: there is no change logs, i want a list like this one http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2
[13:01] <iconmefisto> thux: fsck running on boot and never completing?
[13:01] <sinistrad> I mean, I've been here a few weeks asking about my mouse, but I haven't found anyone answering on that one yet. It isn't a big deal tho.
[13:01] <faruk> but there is no yet :)
[13:01] <ccmonster> someone told me to try ALT-F7 on boot for my hanging system? what's the going to do?
[13:02] <thux> iconmefisto: yes
[13:02] <Pici> faruk: Then wait for the RC notes to come out.
[13:02] <iconmefisto> thux: I did see a bug with that symtom. I'll see if I can find it
[13:02] <thux> thanks
[13:03] <ccmonster> and RC is still scheduled to release today?
[13:03] <iconmefisto> Bug #554079
[13:04] <ccmonster> ?
[13:04] <thux> ah ok
[13:04] <Pici> ccmonster: yes
[13:04] <bazhang> ccmonster, later today yes
[13:04] <iconmefisto> thux: says fix released
[13:04] <ccmonster> what does ALT+F7 do on boot? someone said that is something to try on my hanging system?
[13:04] <thux> ok I try to upgrade
[13:05] <ccmonster> its lucid, and after a sudo apt-get upgrade, it asked to reboot. And bam. hangs. Wont boot. just blinking cursor.
[13:05] <tottto-drummond> hello, is the RC out yet ?
[13:06] <Pici> no
[13:06] <tottto-drummond> any idea on when it ll be avbl ?
[13:06] <Pici> When its done.
[13:07] <tottto-drummond> is it still supposed to be out today ?
[13:07] <bazhang> tottto-drummond, yes
[13:07] <yofel> ccmonster: alt+f7 or usually ctrl+alt+f7 switches to tty7 where you X session should usually be (trying tty8 is a good idea too). Helps if you land in the wrong tty after boot
[13:07] <iconmefisto> ccmonster: they were probably thinking X may be running, but for some reason display had switched to a virtual terminal. alt-F7 would switch back to the X display
[13:07] <tottto-drummond> ok thanks
[13:08] <Pici> The topic here will be updated when the RC is out.
[13:08] <ccmonster> ok. Yea. im not even into the OS yet.
[13:08] <ccmonster> terminal or x or otherwise. Just blinking cursor and hangs
[13:08] <sinistrad> sounds like the topic needs to be changed so people coming in here won't have to ask if/when RC will be out
[13:09] <ccmonster> I know its needy sounding, but is the RC expected in like, 2hrs, 10hrs or like 11pm EST?
[13:09] <ccmonster> lol
[13:09] <Traveler9> Im having a problem with 10.04b2... im trying to install x64 1004b2 and all iget on my aptop is keyboard = man in circle
[13:09] <yofel> sinistrad: it will be changed once the RC is out, not before
[13:10] <yofel> ccmonster: there is no defined time, it's not even 22nd UTC, could be 22nd in some US timezone
[13:10] <ccmonster> what is the UTC time btw?
[13:10] <yofel> @now
[13:11] <yofel> ccmonster: use 'date -u' if you want to check it yourself
[13:11] <Traveler9> should i wait for rc? i have never had issues installing x64 ubuntu on this notebook
[13:11] <ccmonster> my system is crashed :|
[13:11] <sinistrad> yofel well, I mean you might want to put in that it is NOT out, otherwise you're going to get every other person in here asking about it.
[13:11] <yofel> sinistrad: the topic says beta2 is out, which means the rc isn't out yet
[13:12] <ccmonster> yes. You should still probably say, RC NOT out. Try Beta 2 or something.
[13:12] <sinistrad> yofel, I understand, but I'm not the one that will be explaining all day about it - hehe
[13:13] <ccmonster> lol
[13:13] <yofel> sinistrad: well yes, if you want go to #ubuntu-ops and propose the change to the operators, be prepared to be rejected though
[13:13] <Traveler9> anyone know what the keyboard symbol = man in bubble means?
[13:13] <ccmonster> lol
[13:14] <yofel> ccmonster, sinistrad: also, if you don't want to wait get a daily image, the images haven't changed since the 19th and I doubt the rc images will be different
[13:14] <Traveler9> ooh is it saying that my keyboard skills are jedi?
[13:14] <Traveler9> looks like a jedi with a force shield
[13:15] <sinistrad> yofel, I'm not actually worried about the RC.  I was only mentioning to help you fine folks out
[13:15] <Pici> sinistrad: Thanks for the suggestion, but I think we're okay right now :)
[13:15] <remu> I've been out of the Ubuntu loop for a while, so I was wondering if there is a particular time of day that new releases are put out.
[13:15] <bazhang> remu, no
[13:15] <sinistrad> lulz
[13:15] <remu> bazhang: thanks
[13:18] <Traveler9> anyone know what keyboard i= man in bubble means?
[13:19] <Pici> Traveler9: Maybe if you take a screenshot of it we will know what you're talking about, because I have no idea what you are describing.
[13:19] <Traveler9> cant i get it on boot crom cd to install
[13:19] <Traveler9> its a black screen with a keyboard logo = man in bubble
[13:19] <Traveler9> at the bottom
[13:21] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: this 'man in bubble' thing is strange, if you could take a picture (as screenshots are presumably not available) and post a link, that would help
[13:21] <jumbers> I'm guessing the RC hasn't been posted yet?
[13:22] <Traveler9> ok im fixing to upload picture
[13:22] <sinistrad> I think Traveler9 is referring to the login screen, where you have a few options at the lower right-hand corner.  That is how I see it on gnome
[13:22] <bazhang> jumbers, topic will change when it is
[13:22] <Traveler9> no it hasnt jumbers... it can be any time today
[13:22] <tsimpson> you can tell when it's released, the download page will be updated
[13:23] <Pici> And the topic here
[13:23] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: you're seeing the 'assistive technologies' logo
[13:24] <Traveler9> http://i41.tinypic.com/dgjqy8.jpg
[13:25] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: it can help you log in with an onscreen keyboard etc if you can click on it.
[13:25] <Traveler9> it just stops at a black screen with that logo at the bottom
[13:25] <HagenaarsDotNu> can you see a mouse cursor?
[13:26] <sinistrad> lol - I can't
[13:26] <HagenaarsDotNu> =>
[13:26] <Traveler9> i have ubuntu 9.10 and netbook remix on this notebook, and had no problems installing.... and there is no mouse cursor
[13:26] <defswork> compiz doesnt start when I log in - if I go into appearance/visual effects and choose normal it starts ok and I get window decoration back
[13:26] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: what happens if you press ctrl+alt+f1?
[13:27] <Milos_SD> Hi
[13:27] <sinistrad> defswork, I had to reinstall compiz
[13:27] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: you should get a prompt
[13:27] <defswork> remove and reinstall or force reinstall ?
[13:27] <sinistrad> aptitude reinstall
[13:27] <Traveler9> no prompt
[13:27] <Milos_SD> I can't play any video with Totem, and non of gstreamer apps works. It try to find plugins,  but doesn't find any. I have all gstreamer packages installed :S
[13:28] <sinistrad> defswork, metacity probably isn't running either
[13:28] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: so the screen stays the same? Do you have a usb keyboard laying around?
[13:28] <HagenaarsDotNu> and a usb mouse
[13:28] <defswork> sinistrad, reinstall didnt fix it :|
[13:29] <sinistrad> defswork, are you able to start metacity?
[13:29] <judgen> I am looking for a gtk rhythmbox replacement that has sorting by file hierarcy, preferably with a treeview.
[13:29] <judgen> I am tired of using foobar2000 through wine.
[13:29] <Traveler9> nm i pressed ctl and the install screen comes up
[13:29] <remu> judgen: I *think* exaile does that. You might want to look at that.
[13:30] <defswork> before or after starting compiz ?
[13:30] <defswork> metacity starts ok from cmd line
[13:30] <judgen> remu, thanks i will.
[13:30] <defswork> and I get decoration
[13:30] <sinistrad> either.  I'm thinking once compiz is reinstalled, and the gui is restarted, it should load metacity itself
[13:31] <defswork> shouldnt compiz replace metacity though ?
[13:31] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: so you're ok now?
[13:31] <Traveler9> but now it wont do anything when i make a selection on the install splash screen
[13:31] <sinistrad> defswork, not sure.  I'm just giving you the hints that were handed down to me to get it working
[13:31] <Milos_SD> I can't play any video with Totem, and non of gstreamer apps works. It try to find plugins,  but doesn't find any. I have all gstreamer packages installed. What can be the problem?
[13:31] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: it takes some time after you select your install method
[13:32] <defswork> sinistrad, yeah compiz kills metacity  - they are both window managers
[13:32] <Traveler9> ok
[13:32] <defswork> both run ok though - just not at log in
[13:32] <sinistrad> defswork, ok, have you restarted gdm?
[13:32] <Traveler9> i may just wait for rc
[13:32] <defswork> I just logged out and back in - let me try that
[13:33] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: you're trying a beta2 cd? that shouldn't differ much from rc
[13:33] <alvin> Or use a daily (zsync should get you there fast)
[13:33] <Traveler9> oic
[13:33] <defswork> sinistrad, still not runnign
[13:33] <sinistrad> defswork, you can also check in .xsession-errors to see if something gives a clue
[13:34] <sinistrad> defswork, that will be in your home dir
[13:34] <defswork> yeah - there are
[13:34] <defswork> unable to execute compiz.real
[13:34] <defswork> /usr/bin/compiz.real
[13:34] <defswork> as it's now called compiz
[13:34] <defswork> I guess
[13:35] <fabio333> compiz is a script around compiz.real
[13:35] <yofel> fabio333: not anymore, the script is gone and compiz.real is now compiz
[13:35] <sinistrad> defswork, hopefully someone knows how to get that started.
 right
[13:36] <defswork> fabio333, on my machine /usr/bin/compiz is a 255kb binary
[13:36] <defswork> and compiz-decorator looks like a script
[13:36] <Traveler9> cd shows activity but still nothing
[13:36] <defswork> I have no compiz-real
[13:37] <yofel> defswork: what happens if you run compiz --replace
[13:37] <judgen> remu, not exactly what i wanted but the looks is awsome and its good enough.
[13:37] <defswork> yofel, it works
[13:37] <allu2> Hello, i upgraded to lucid beta2 and now my Omnibook XE3-GF doesn't work, get's stck after grub putting background light on and off every 2 sec no change if i wait even 10mins, if i press ctrl+alt+F* screen background light turn on and stays empty :S
[13:38] <defswork> metacity isnt running either so there is no replace actually done
[13:38] <defswork> but --replace still works obviously
[13:38] <fabio333> gconf-editor --> desktop->gnome->session->required_components
[13:39] <fabio333> see later
[13:42] <defswork> required compnents has compiz for windowmanager
[13:43] <judgen> remu: Do you know if its possible to have exaile in an systray icon?
[13:44] <sinistrad> defswork, same as mine
[13:45] <bazhang> judgen, with alltray?
[13:45] <bazhang> !info alltray
[13:46] <judgen> got it installed now.
[13:47] <topyli> system tray eh
[13:48] <kevina> hello all - is it just me, or have there been no updates for the last 24 hours or so.. nothing appearing in update manager
[13:48] <topyli> kevina, nope, no updates
[13:49] <kevina> ok, well that's alright then.. ;-)
[13:50] <HagenaarsDotNu> kevina: today is RC-day, which usually doesn't see many updates
[13:52] <remu> judgen: I believe it has a tray icon....but can you minimize it to the tray, I don't know
[13:52] <kevina> I had a feeling it might be to do with RC - thanks for the info.. Shaping up to be a really solid release so big thanks to the devs
[13:53] <sinistrad> unreal the amount of updates that come through the repos daily
[13:53] <remu> sinistrad: even more on a rolling release
[13:54] <sinistrad> remu, Yep, I've been using ubuntu for a few years now. I'm used to it
[13:54] <remu> sinistrad: I meant ArchLinux
[13:54] <sinistrad> remu, ahh, I was on gentoo before.  Never used Arch
[13:55] <sinistrad> I just wanted to give credit to the devs that put out a huge amount of work
[13:55] <remu> I used to use Ubuntu myself, then tried Arch and haven't been willing to give it up now. Though I still run Ubuntu on the family computer, just not on my laptop.
[13:55] <remu> sinistrad: oh most definitely, we'd be no where without the devs
[13:55] <kevina> i don't find the ubuntu updates to interfere with day-to-day operation, unlike windows...
[13:56] <remu> kevina: or like the mac updates either. I don't want to have to restart after every upgrade! haha
[13:57] <sinistrad> kevina, *shudders* at windows "we installed a new font, you need to reboot" Anyhow, this is off-topic so I'll stop it
[13:57] <Dimmuxx> yeah osx updates are really annoying, almost everything requires a reboot
[13:57] <kevina> remu: exactly! every so often i am forced to boot Vista, and every time, it's update hell, with reboots required, machine slow downs, etc.. Oh, and the antivirus has to update itself.......and on and on...
[13:58] <remu> Dimmuxx: tell me about it. That's why the mac screen on my desk here at work has been off for over a month. I'd rather just do my work on the linux box uninterupted
[13:59] <kevina> didn't realise osx updates were such a pain, but i've only used a mac very occasionally... whatever, linux is a dream - you can just get on with your work...
[14:00] <remu> mmhmm
[14:00] <defswork> linking /usr/bin/compiz to compiz.real works - but something somewhere is wrongly thinking compiz is started by running compiz.real
[14:00] <Dimmuxx> one thing is nice with osx updates though, those that require a restart are marked as such
[14:00] <Dimmuxx> too bad it's most of them ;)
[14:01] <remu> haha true
[14:01] <remu> I never use iLife, but updating it still requires a reboot, pfft!
[14:02] <iconmefisto> getting way off-topic
[14:03] <patdk-wk> iconmefisto, no topic better than offtopic :)
[14:04] <defswork> hmm ok it's a problem with saved-session
[14:04] <defswork> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/498203  I edited my saved-session and got rid of .real
[14:04] <SandGorgon> anybody using kubuntu, are you guys having suspend/resume problems as well ?
[14:04] <callaghan> iconmefisto: apparently many are waiting for a "rc is out" notification
[14:06] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: I am, but I don't think it's kubuntu/kde at fault. this laptop just doesn't like resuming with linux
[14:07] <yofel> I have suspend issues in the meaning that pressing 'sleep' in the menu does nothing, 'sudo pm-suspend' works fine though
[14:08] <yofel> with KDE
[14:08] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, it used to work fine in 9.10
[14:08] <SandGorgon> yofel, that is something I'm gonna try. thanks!
[14:09] <SandGorgon> my problem is that it suspends, but when it resumes I just get a black screen
[14:09] <yofel> it worked a few days ago, but yesterday I got a bunch of dbus errors, rebooted and since then it doesn't work anymore
[14:09] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: that's what I get, but it was the same in karmic
[14:09] <joaopinto> hi
[14:10] <Nom-> Hi all... i've got a script which creates a custom Ubuntu ISO... it's been used for Hardy, Gutsy, Edgy and some other distros, but i'm having trouble getting it going for Lucid.  The installer has dependency errors when configuring the system.  I was wondering if there's some better tools for building a custom ISO, or should I just wait for release and that should be sorted?
[14:10] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, hmm.. i did switch to Gnome for a long time. so its a KDE issue..
[14:11] <jadams_> this morning I did an upgrade/reboot, and my nvidia driver no longer works.  I've tried installing every possible version, every one fails to initialize.  I don't have the nvidia0 device it's supposed to create
[14:11] <sinistrad> yofel, SandGorgon, iconmefisto, my laptop does the same thing. Lots of errors about device changes when coming back from closing the lid on the laptop
[14:11] <jadams_> I'm installing the driver from the nvidia website in an effort to get it working again, which I absolutely abhor doing :(
[14:12] <SandGorgon> sinistrad, is there a bug in KDE for this ? this is making my laptop very unusable.. I mean I do have to work
[14:12] <sinistrad> jadams_, I've been pretty successful with the nvidia reference drivers that build off your kernel, but when you update the kernel it breaks and you have to run it again
[14:12] <joaopinto> Nom-, don't expect the release to fix something which no longer works related to a random script :)
[14:13] <Nom-> joaopinto: The issue doesn't appear to be the script itself... it seems the packages are being updated and dependencies
[14:13] <yofel> jadams_: and which will put your system into a state which we don't support, do you get an error if you run 'sudo modprobe nvidia'?
[14:13] <Nom-> Yesterday a different set of dependencies were broken to today
[14:13] <joaopinto> Nom-, try to reproduce it manually, if you can, file a bug report
[14:13] <Nom-> The script works by pulling down the latest versions of packages and building the ISO from that
[14:13] <sinistrad> SandGorgon, I actually have no idea.  I have no machines running KDE. Gnome is doing it for me, but I think there's a problem that goes deeper than just a desktop not coming back up
[14:13] <joaopinto> but it may be related to the inclusion of packages which are no longer provided
[14:14] <joaopinto> Nom-, also take a look at "apt-cache search livecd"
[14:14] <jadams_> sinistrad, yofel - I hate using nvidia drivers for those reasons.  I get "FATAL: Module nvidia not found." now
[14:14] <thiebaude> Ken8521, i still got the same problem
[14:14] <jadams_> that's with nvidia-173 installed
[14:14] <Nom-> It's not desktop we customize.. it's alternate
[14:15] <Nom-> Basically we use the fai-client/fai-server tools to make a fully automated install CD
[14:15] <SandGorgon> sinistrad, right... you could file a bug with whatever info you have. Atleast I would contribute to the bug for my suspend/resume issues
[14:15] <sinistrad> SandGorgon, I believe it has more to do with re-establishing the "connection" to the hard drive, because most of mine show SATA errors
[14:16] <yofel> jadams_: ok... do you have a module named something like 'nvidia-173.ko' in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ ?
[14:16] <joaopinto> Nom-, ok :|
[14:16] <sinistrad> jadams_, I think you should be able to find release 195 from nvidia's website
[14:16] <yofel> sinistrad: 195 is in the repository
[14:17] <sinistrad> yofel, jadams_ Nice!
[14:17] <Nom-> at a very basic level, the goal of the script is to include a preseed file and some custom packages which make it easy to do an install without sitting in front of the machine at all
[14:17] <yofel> !info nvidia-current | sinistrad
[14:17] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: just wondering, why is suspend so important? why not just shutdown?
[14:17] <gartral> hey all. gdm is borked and is failing on load. ive spent a week tracing logs but everything crashes at X and gdm, kdm however. is valiently stable, and gnome loads fine after the system has been started with kdm. the real question is, how do i  make kdm the default greeting manager?
[14:18] <jadams_> yofel, I do have that module
[14:18] <yofel> gartral: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm' and select kdm
[14:18] <sinistrad> thanks yofel. I'm not needing it now, but good to know when kernel update breaks the nvidia reference drivers.
[14:18] <yofel> jadams_: hm, what happens when you run 'sudo insmod /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/nvidia-173.ko' ?
[14:19] <gartral> gnome just died hard
[14:19] <yofel> gartral: what graphics driver?
[14:19] <jadams_> yofel: I already tried modprobe nvidia-173 which seemed to succeed, so it says file exists....but I have no /dev/nvid*
[14:19] <mandrew> how do i set up a VPN service in ubuntu 10.04?
[14:19] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, without ranting.. it is highly, highly convenient
[14:20] <gartral> yofel nvidia-restricted from ubuntu hardware driver manager
[14:20] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, especially if you are writing code.. I mean even my DB comes up in the exact same state and all. I just suspend at work and come home and resume
[14:20] <yofel> ah, hm...
[14:20] <Arabus> hey, I am currently trying to install lucidy server on a dell poweredge r510 with a PERC 6/i raid controller. Sadly though the installer does not recognize the logical nor the physical hard drives during the installation process leaving me with no hard drives to install the OS on. Anyone heard of that or nkow a fix?
[14:21] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: ok, I see. I've never really wanted to suspend, so haven't really looked into what's not working
[14:21] <yofel> jadams_: hm, I have the file here but I didn't reboot for a while and can't do so atm
[14:21] <jadams_> iconmefisto, suspend, on a laptop, is ~vital
[14:21] <sinistrad> Anyone have any idea why my mouse won't show up at the login screen where I (would normally) click on the user to log in with?
[14:21] <jadams_> yofel, yeah, I've run lucid on this machine for quite a while with no problems, and others at my office run lucid with no problems
[14:21] <jadams_> i did a dist-upgrade and an upgrade, though, and since then it's been broken (this AM)
[14:21] <iconmefisto> jadams_: I have a laptop that won't do it. I just don't see the big deal
[14:22] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, in Jaunty, I believe I once went 4 months without a reboot
[14:22] <jadams_> iconmefisto, if you'd used suspend you'd see the big deal :)
[14:23] <gartral> arabus you might be stuck looking for linux-drivers from PERC and using the alt install cd for installing them
[14:23] <iconmefisto> I'm inspired to get suspend working now :)
[14:23] <yofel> suspend is vital on my EeePC, waking up with password takes ~10sec, booting and starting all apps that I need 2-3min
[14:23] <gartral> yofel why? what could i do to fix this?
[14:23] <gintonic> Does anyone have some anecdotes about jigdo vs zsync when downloading Ubuntu alpha->beta->RC->Release and so on. Which is more efficient?
[14:23] <Arabus> gartral: hmm ... sounds like... seems like a lot of people had one or two problems with perc :-/
[14:24] <mandrew> how do i set up a VPN service in ubuntu 9.10?
[14:24] <yofel> gartral: no idea, KDE is stable here, don't know how to debug gnome, maybe check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old if something happened to X
[14:24] <gartral> maNdrew ask in #ubuntu
[14:24] <eax> Hi there - I have a problem with my Nvidia FX5600 -  I cannot chose other resolutions than 320x240 and 640x480. What can I do to run the correct resolution? Using the nvidia controlpanel this is.
[14:25] <gartral> yofel. empty, tried that. ststem iis thourly dead before x can spit a log
[14:26] <SandGorgon> mandrew, if ur using gnome then u need to install network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[14:26] <gintonic> RC is out?
[14:26] <mandrew> @gartral if one asks anything about techie stuff in ubuntu channel you get a smart arse saying that one are soused to ask it here
[14:27] <mandrew> sandgordon were do a newbie find that?
[14:28] <yofel> mandrew: might be, but we don't support karmic here
[14:28] <sinistrad> mandrew, they sent you in here because you asked how to set it up in 10.04, which is what this channel is for.
[14:29] <mandrew> yea and i did ask about 10.04 earlier but no one answered so i tried with 910 instead
[14:29] <mandrew> so im using 10.04
[14:30] <judgen> eax: Have you a dpms capable screen?
[14:30] <eax> judgen: dpms? I have no idea, it's an old CRT
[14:31] <judgen> eax: aah, then no. Good thing. Can you set it in nvidia-settings?
[14:31] <eax> judgen: That's where the problem is :( nvidia-settings only allow me to set it to 320x240 or 640x480 :/
[14:32] <judgen> eax: Tried the noveau driver?
[14:32] <eax> judgen: Noveau?
[14:32] <judgen> eax: the new opensource nvidia driver.
[14:32] <thiebaude> !nvidia
[14:32] <tottto-drummond> RC still not out
[14:33] <judgen> thiebaude: he is allready using the binary blog.
[14:33] <mandrew> so no help then
[14:33] <eax> judgen: Okay thanks :) Trying it
[14:33] <thiebaude> how old is the crt?
[14:34] <DASPRiD> does anyone know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/542210 will be fixed anytime soon?
[14:34] <eax> thiebaude: No idea :P a couple of years I guess
[14:34] <DASPRiD> not being able to install with raid1 is bad
[14:34] <thiebaude> ok
[14:35] <eax> judgen: I cannot seem to find it in the Nvidia section
[14:35] <thiebaude> !xrandr
[14:36] <judgen> eax: i think its included by default nowdays.. you just have to select that driver instead of the binary one from nvidia.
[14:36] <thiebaude> i remember someone was saying add resolutions in xrandr
[14:37] <eax> judgen: In Hardware drivers? There's only 173 and 96 :S
[14:38] <eax> thiebaude: Trying thanks :)
[14:38] <thiebaude> yw:P
[14:39] <eax> Didn't work though :/
[14:40] <thiebaude> wonder if your crt has a limited on the resoltutions it can displat
[14:40] <thiebaude> display
[14:41] <ibkanat> numpaddoesnt work for me anymore am I going to need to do a total reinstall next week?
[14:41] <eax> thiebaude: Don't think so. I have made it work with 1280x1024 before
[14:41] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[14:41] <thiebaude> just wondering
[14:41] <gintonic> Wow, I just got RC. It was identical to daily from 20th
[14:42] <allu2> i have upgraded to lucid and it doesn't boot, screen background color goes on and off in 2sec sections
[14:42] <allu2> going to text based only turns background light on but shows nothing
[14:43]  * thiebaude wow ubuntu studio use alot of memory,lol
[14:43] <QueenZ> hello
[14:43] <QueenZ> When should Ubuntu 10.04 RC be out?
[14:43] <gintonic> QueenZ: Out now
[14:43] <HagenaarsDotNu> QueenZ: somewhere today
[14:43] <allu2> HW info: Omnibook XE3-GF , pentium 3 1,06Ghz, RAM 500mb
[14:44] <QueenZ> sounds good
[14:44] <allu2> worked enought well with Karmic
[14:46] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[14:46] <s0u][ight> the release date for rc is today
[14:46] <s0u][ight> but still no release
[14:47] <rohan> s0u][ight: "today" is relative, depending on your time zone
[14:47] <rohan> there are places where it is not even thursday yet :)
[14:47] <s0u][ight> gtm+1
[14:47] <callaghan> s0u][ight: right, but "today" isn't over yet ;)
[14:47] <thiebaude> and places where it is friday,lol
[14:47] <rohan> thiebaude: huh? you sure?
[14:48] <thiebaude> yes in australia and such
[14:48] <s0u][ight> well, my laptop hasn't run linux for a long, very long time (i think it is sick using windows and mac os)
[14:48] <HagenaarsDotNu> rohan: yes, though barely past 0:00 ;)
[14:48] <rohan> ah ok
[14:52] <s0u][ight> guys is it ok that i mention that i think i got a rc link?
[14:53] <callaghan> s0u][ight: where is it *hooray* :)
[14:53] <rohan> s0u][ight: i guess
[14:53] <shadeslayer> hey are the notifications supposed to be about 5cm down the shut down button in gnome?
[14:53] <rohan> shadeslayer: yes
[14:53] <shadeslayer> or should they stacked up
[14:53] <shadeslayer> rohan: hmmm
[14:53] <thiebaude> where where,lol
[14:53] <s0u][ight> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ <= the link to the download (32 or 64 bit) says its rc
[14:53] <shadeslayer> rohan: cant i push them up?
[14:53] <rohan> since the notifications in ubuntu have no interaction at all, no, you can't
[14:54] <shadeslayer> btw i got my gnome menu to display just gnome apps :P
[14:54] <thiebaude> i need to get off this ubutu studio
[14:54] <s0u][ight> ubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[14:54] <rohan> s0u][ight: awesome thanks, works for kubuntu too
[14:54] <callaghan> s0u][ight: you are right, thanks!
[14:54] <s0u][ight> :) hope i didn't do anything bad
[14:54] <thiebaude> s0u][ight, thanks
[14:54] <thiebaude> for the link
[14:54] <Dimmuxx> great, time to switch to 64bit then :)
[14:54] <rohan> only thing is, if the mirrors are not completely synced, we may get corrupted/partial CD images
[14:55] <s0u][ight> i'm going to try the 64 bit version, to any op around, sorry if i did something that isn't allowed
[14:55] <s0u][ight> i know ubuntu is strict in release moments
[14:55] <HagenaarsDotNu> so0u][ight: there goes server bandwidth for the mirroring ;)
[14:56] <rohan> and that too, yes
[14:56] <rohan> i really wish they had delta-iso from Beta2 -> RC!
[14:56] <gintonic> zsync from beta2 was fairly painless. 74% complete
[14:56] <gunsofbrixton> hi, can someone tell me or point me to a link to whether the xetex package in lucid has been updated?
[14:56] <s0u][ight> just started my download :)
[14:56] <gintonic> rohan: Use zsync
[14:56] <thiebaude> im about to soon
[14:56] <rohan> gunsofbrixton: packages.ubuntu.com/xetex
[14:56] <akSeya> hey
[14:56] <rohan> gintonic: you sure it works?
[14:57] <gintonic> rohan: It works GREAT!
[14:57] <thiebaude> got to blank a cd first
[14:57] <rohan> gintonic: and to save me the googling, can you please tell me how?
[14:57] <Nom-> ooo nice
[14:57] <gintonic> rohan: Sure...
[14:57]  * Nom- proceesds to kick off a mirror update
[14:57] <Dimmuxx> 63caa19670e629503bf0a8415844e662 is the checksum I've got on the amd64 iso
[14:57] <s0u][ight> Dimmuxx, wait till i finish download i'll check it
[14:57] <rohan> Dimmuxx: well, just verify with - http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/MD5SUMS
[14:58] <s0u][ight> :)
[14:58] <gunsofbrixton> rohan: so that basically means it has not been updated, is that right?
[14:58] <Dimmuxx> looks correct then
[14:58] <rohan> gunsofbrixton: the version you see on the link i gave you is the latest
[14:58] <gintonic> This is the command I used to zsync server "zsync -i ubuntu-10.04-beta2-server-amd64.iso http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ubuntu-10.04-rc-server-amd64.iso.zsync"
[14:58] <s0u][ight> 10% ^^
[14:59] <rohan> gintonic: thanks a lot
[14:59] <gunsofbrixton> rohan: ah sorry got it, thanks
[14:59] <gintonic> zsync takes multiple -i if you like. List as many images as possible. You never know which ones share data.
[14:59] <s0u][ight> there was this trick i always used, change a download link with the one expected to be, works from time to time :D
[15:00] <gintonic> Also zsync does hash check at the end.
[15:01] <rohan> thanks, gintonic , i'll try it right now
[15:01] <callaghan> uh oh... "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at releases.ubuntu.com."
[15:01] <eax> Hi there - I have a problem with my Nvidia FX5600 -  I cannot chose other resolutions than 320x240 and 640x480. What can I do to run the correct resolution? Using the nvidia controlpanel this is.
[15:02] <tjz> can i see what kind of new features for the upcoming 10.04?
[15:02] <tjz> :)
[15:02] <thiebaude> !10.04
[15:02] <charlie-tca> tjz: when the release notes come out,
[15:02] <thiebaude> hi charlie-tca :)
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Hello, thiebaude
[15:03] <Nom-> interesting... the RC appears to have been out for at least several hours
[15:03] <s0u][ight> caio guys
[15:03] <Nom-> At least the ISO is... it's already been pushed to my mirror
[15:03] <Nom-> or pulled i should say
[15:03] <yannick_d> Hi, cannot find the edubuntu rc for 386. Where is it?
[15:03] <thiebaude> i should of choose quick blanking,lol
[15:04] <rohan> gintonic: how much lesser do you need to download, thanks to zsync?
[15:04] <Nom-> i spoke too soon.. my mirror is pulling them down right now :)
[15:05] <yannick_d> haaaa, it just appers...
[15:05] <gintonic> rohan: Just now I synced a daily from last week and the bandwidth saving was 100.0%. desktop amd64 was 74% complete from beta2
[15:06] <squiggie> Good morning. I was wondering if someone could help me out with a little samba issue. I've go samba up and running and I can see the shares but when I try to copy files to the shares, it tells me the drive is full and I need to clear spacce. However, the drive isn't full. I've checked with df and it isn't. The drive is a NTFS volume external usb drive. I had this drive working with Jaunty but now when I upgraded to Lucid, I ge
[15:06] <rohan> wow it seems to be going really fast for me here too
[15:07] <gintonic> rohan: Actually it might have been 74% from desktopbeta2+alternativerc. My point is, it's often a lot. But don't be disappointed if it's only 15%
[15:07] <rohan> of course.. well, thanks a lot gintonic !
[15:07] <rohan> i assume i can use the same method to update from RC to final?
[15:07] <rohan> for me, target was 35% complete
[15:08] <thiebaude> 12 minutes left on my download:P
[15:08] <rohan> btw, the ETA is shown in minutes?
[15:08] <gintonic> rohan: Of course. The savings from rc to release are often the best
[15:09] <shadeslayer> hey how do i configure apt to use a proxy?
[15:09] <DASPRiD> hm, is Philip Muškovac here?
[15:09] <patdk-wk> shadeslayer, /etc/apt/apt.conf
[15:09] <patdk-wk> ACQUIRE {
[15:09] <patdk-wk>   http::proxy "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3128/"
[15:09] <patdk-wk> }
[15:10] <shadeslayer> patdk-wk: can you put that in a pastebin?
[15:10] <rohan> gintonic: also, any way to pause and then resume the process?
[15:10] <patdk-wk> I could, but no point now
[15:10] <shadeslayer> patdk-wk: :P
[15:11] <rohan> gintonic: ah ok, the man page answered all my questions :)
[15:11] <gintonic> rohan: zsync creates a .part file. If you restart without the -i it will automatically scan it's own partial file and resume
[15:11] <gintonic> rohan: zsync is really really cool
[15:11] <rohan> damn wish i knew about it.. i already deleted my earlier ISOs :(
[15:11] <callaghan> since many of us are downloading the rc right now, someone could update the topic....
[15:11]  * Nom- builds a new ISO, hoping it will work being the repo is so close to RC
[15:11] <karpus> callaghan: is the rc released?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> callaghan: its not officially released
[15:11] <rohan> callaghan: no, it's not officially out yet
[15:12] <HagenaarsDotNu> callaghen: it's not out yet, the mirroring is still ongoing
[15:12] <callaghan> ah, ok
[15:12] <Nom-> ftp.iinet.net.au is updating the repo and iso right now ^_^
[15:12] <squiggie> anyone have any suggestions for my samba issue or how to troubleshoot?
[15:12] <Nom-> feel free to rape and pillage
[15:13] <HagenaarsDotNu> Nom-: Got some bandwidth to spare ;)
[15:14] <Nom-> HagenaarsDotNu: Only about 2Gbps or so
[15:14] <HagenaarsDotNu> nice
[15:14] <elky> Nom-, I'd kind of prefer if you didn't invite people to "rape".
[15:14] <Nom-> Fair enough
[15:15] <Dimmuxx> iso is booted so time to install :)
[15:15] <Nom-> I was referring to the mirror though
[15:15] <Nom-> ^_^
[15:16] <duffydack> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/rc/
[15:16] <shadeslayer> how do i get evolution to download all my mail onto my HD and NOT delete it from gmail as well?
[15:16] <karpus> I haven't tried any RC's, are they usually semi-stable?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> karpus: they are quite stable :)
[15:17] <karpus> shadeslayer: ok cool, I have a laptop running 9.04 at the moment, so I was thinking of format/install 10.04 RC just for kicks
[15:17] <karpus> hopefully I will notice a lot of improvements ^^
[15:17] <shadeslayer> karpus: oh youll surely get one :P
[15:17] <HagenaarsDotNu> karpus: update-manager -d does the same
[15:17] <HagenaarsDotNu> no need for reformatting
[15:18] <eax> Hi there - I have a problem with my Nvidia FX5600 -  I cannot chose other resolutions than 320x240 and 640x480. What can I do to run the correct resolution? Using the nvidia controlpanel this is..
[15:18] <joaopinto> not quite the same, but close :)
[15:18] <shadeslayer> !res | eax
[15:18] <karpus> HagenaarsDotNu: yes I've read that, but I also read about people getting problems when updating, and I don't mind formatting since I currently does not have that many files on the computer
[15:19] <eax> shadeslayer: Thanks trying
[15:19] <shadeslayer> eax: np
[15:20] <HagenaarsDotNu> karpus: well, the update method worked fine for me, I've got a laptop which started out with 6.x and is now happily purring along in 10.04 style, though crunching is a better description
[15:21]  * thiebaude burning as we speak,lol
[15:22] <karpus> HagenaarsDotNu: that's quite a lot of upgrades hehe, well I'll still format (old windows habit maybe?) and start upgrading 10.04 -> 10.10 and forward
[15:23] <arand> Heh, current RC is same as daily from 19th.
[15:23] <Nom-> arand: Given the file ctime is the 19th, that's not surprising :)
[15:24] <arand> Nom-: Yea, matches down to sha1sum.
[15:25] <thiebaude> arand, i want my money back,lol
[15:25] <Urda> so is the RC live?
[15:25] <thiebaude> :)
[15:25] <arand> Which always brings some irony to all the "is it out yet" shouting..
[15:25] <Nom-> Urda: The ISO is currently being mirrored
[15:25] <thiebaude> yea i cant wait til the 29th imao
[15:25] <arand> Urda: Not oficially released, that will be announced in topic here and on mailing list
[15:26] <Urda> When it does... do I just upgrade from Beta 2? This is the first Beta of Ubuntu I have played with
[15:26] <Urda> :s
[15:26] <inter4ever> just run the updater from ubuntu
[15:26] <Nom-> You can just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[15:26] <arand> !final
[15:26] <joaopinto> Urda, you are already running RC
[15:27] <gintonic> I can't wait for RC release notes/known issues to see what bugs I've just installed
[15:27] <Nom-> Probably not many :P
[15:27] <Nom-> By this stage the show stoppers have been ironed out
[15:28] <Jeeves_> http://lvsd.lucid.bit.nl/stats/index.php
[15:28] <h00k> Nom-: except for the one they're trying to get covered with X and the mem leaks
[15:28] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[15:28] <joaopinto> Nom-, unfortunately there ate still some show stoppers being ironed out
[15:28] <thiebaude> bbl time to install
[15:28]  * arand can't wait for May 6th...
[15:28] <Nom-> For desktop, maybe... server seems quite fine
[15:28] <Nom-> I've been using it since before beta 2
[15:29] <joaopinto> server is less prone to problems, not that many changes
[15:29] <Nom-> There may be one or two, but I haven't hit them
[15:29] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: why 6?
[15:30] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: Toolchain open ;)
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> right
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> me too
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> stable sucks
[15:31] <arand> Indeed.
[15:31] <patdk-wk> only issue I have with server is plymouth and the screen blanking after fsck
[15:31] <h00k> bug 565981 speccifically
[15:32] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, blanking with a flashing cursor that moves when pressing enter ?
[15:32] <patdk-wk> no
[15:32] <patdk-wk> it wipes the whole screen clear
[15:32] <patdk-wk> so I can't see what is going on
[15:32] <eax> shadeslayer: I cannot seem to make it work using xrandr :/
[15:32] <patdk-wk> and displays a login prompt
[15:32] <shadeslayer> eax: whats the issue?
[15:33] <eax> shadeslayer: When I add the 1280x1024 mode it doesn't respond to it when I call "xrandr -s 1280x1024"
[15:33] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, ah, so it's a different issue, I am familiar with some plymount/mountall related issues
[15:33] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[15:33] <thecookie> Is it just me or havent there been any package updates for quite some time?
[15:33] <thecookie> Did the repo move or something?
[15:33] <joaopinto> thecookie, RC freeze
[15:33] <thecookie> Ah
[15:34] <thecookie> Sucky. The sound doesn't work.
[15:34] <aar> Hi. Will it be possible to upgrade from 8.04 LTS to 10.04 LTS?
[15:34] <patdk-wk> ya, plymoth worked fine, I manually removed it, just screen gets wiped still
[15:34] <joaopinto> aar, yes
[15:34] <patdk-wk> and I can't find what is doing it
[15:34] <arand> aar: Yes.
[15:34] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, you should not remove plymouth, that is not support and can get you in troubles later
[15:34] <joaopinto> supported
[15:34] <joaopinto> the boot process depends on plymouth
[15:34] <thecookie> I go through painful days at work without music
[15:34] <aar> joaopinto, cool thanks. Would you recommend an upgrade or a fresh install?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> eax: you might want to ask the guys in #ubuntu-x
[15:35] <tottto-drummond> where can I get the RC
[15:35] <arand> aar: Once released, it should appear as an option in update manager
[15:35] <eax> shadeslayer: Okay thanks :)
[15:35] <Jeeves_> tottto-drummond: releases.ubuntu.com
[15:35] <joaopinto> aar, if you can afford, a fresh install, but the upgrades are also expected to be reliable
[15:35] <aar> arand, great thanks
[15:35] <petur_> How can i upgrade my 9.10 to 10.04 RC, using apt ?
[15:35] <patdk-wk> joaopinto, dunno why I would want a pretty splash on my ubuntu server, find it annoying as crap :(
[15:35] <Nom-> woot... i think the dependency problems i had are fixed... just got a typo in one of our custom packages now
[15:35] <aar> joaopinto, ok thks
[15:35] <patdk-wk> dunno why I would want a video card on my server either but :)
[15:35] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, the splash was removed recently, afaik
[15:36] <thecookie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/558910 - I think I've hit that
[15:36] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, but there is still plymouth behind the scene, I think, but text mode
[15:36] <patdk-wk> dunno, I just removed all plymouth files from /etc/init and /etc/init.d, it seems good
[15:37] <arand> petur_: "upgrade-manager -d" backup first, expect problems.
[15:37] <mininessie> hey has the rc come out yet
[15:37] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, that will break the boot if you get a mount issue like a filesystem needing checking
[15:37] <patdk-wk> mininessie, kindof :)
[15:37] <mininessie> patdk-wk: what do you kind of
[15:37] <petur_> okay
[15:37] <mininessie> patdk-wk: what do you mean kind of
[15:37] <patdk-wk> joaopinto, well, that is super annoying, for fsck to depend on anything like that
[15:38] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, is not fsck which depends that, it's mountall which mounts all the FSs on startup
[15:38] <shadeslayer> btw how do i use ubuntu one with nautilus?
[15:38] <joaopinto> and which will cal fsck if needed :)
[15:38] <shadeslayer> where do i put in my credentials? :P
[15:38] <arand> mininessie: not oficially no.
[15:39] <IdleOne> petur_: btw I run +1 all the time and every time I need to search for the command lol
[15:39] <alvin> and plymouth that shows the (many) errors of mountall
[15:39] <mininessie> arand: but it is released through daily builds right?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> bah...nvm
[15:40] <eax> Gahh, 10.04 refuses to boot on me now, I get a message about cryptoswap, I press S for skip and it just stays ath te loading screen
[15:40] <arand> mininessie: the daily iso that was made on the 19th is rather likely what is going to be the RC, but I don't know if it's past the point where they could decide that it needs more time...
[15:40] <Dimmuxx> time to switch back to my desktop and it's 64bit goodness
[15:41] <joaopinto> eax, file a bug report
[15:41] <eax> joaopinto: I didn't ruin something somehow? :P
[15:41] <mininessie> well if i upgraded to 10.04 yesterday would it be the daily build of 19th
[15:41] <joaopinto> eax, it is likely that you have an entry on /etc/fstab which is causing some mount issue
[15:41] <joaopinto> eax, maybe encrypted swap ?
[15:42] <eax> joaopinto: Can I fix this? - I don't know if I encrypted it /
[15:42] <mininessie> well if i upgraded to 10.04 yesterday would it be the daily build of 19th
[15:42] <arand> mininessie: likely yes.
[15:42] <gdzsi> rc is released today only
[15:42] <mininessie> arand: okay
[15:42] <thecookie> Do I need to repoint to a new repo for rc?
[15:42] <joaopinto> eaxt, bott with the following option, "init=/sbin/sulogin"
[15:42] <mininessie> gdzsi: really
[15:43] <joaopinto> eax, that needs to be appended to the linux line on the boot options
[15:43] <joaopinto> eax, do you know how to use a text editor like nano or vi ?
[15:43] <arand> thecookie: No all the same repo.
[15:43] <BBobo> HOWTO change to Ubuntu Lucid WITHOUT reinstalling from a Lucid ISO and tweaking everything from scratch all over again.  I am using Linux Mint 8 Helena at the moment on a very new PC -- no sound, VESA only graphics. The reason I need to change to Lucid is to get newer kernel + device drivers.  I've done lots of tweaking etc and I don't have time to start from a fresh install from a Lucid ISO...  Any suggestions pls?
[15:43] <gdzsi> @BBobo: use update-manager -d
[15:43] <joaopinto> BBobo, upgrading from non Ubuntu is not supported
[15:43] <gartral> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-UChw0VA_A&feature=youtube_gdata well.. so far i have failing gdm. >.>
[15:43] <eax> joaopinto: Yeah thanks I do :) I just don't know how to get it into the grub menu line.. And now it just succesfully booted
[15:43] <eax> This is confusing :P
[15:44] <BUGabundo_remote> BBobo: export your package list, save your etc and home?
[15:44] <BUGabundo_remote> or simply try to "upgrade"
[15:44] <joaopinto> eax, gor the grub menu, you need to keep pressing SHIFT after booting
[15:44] <BUGabundo_remote> but make a backup
[15:44] <gdzsi> mint is quite ubuntu though
[15:44] <petur_> IdleOne: The -d is dangerous, like your Dick wanting to explore new DD-tits, sometimes it can cause Damage because you'll catch a stD. now don't forget the -d again :D
[15:44] <eax> joaopinto: Ahh thanks!
[15:44] <joaopinto> gdzsi, not enough to be "Ubuntu", and to be tested with an official upgrade
[15:44] <BBobo> Yeah, I know, but I will go as far as unsupported hacks that workaround to move from Mint to Ubuntu.
[15:44] <IdleOne> petur_: language please
[15:44] <petur_> IdleOne: :)
[15:44] <IdleOne> petur_: we keep Ubuntu channels family friendly
[15:45] <callaghan> petur_: lol
[15:45] <petur_> IdleOne: heh okay ^^
[15:45] <IdleOne> petur_: thank you
[15:45] <gartral> what. puter has good family advice; )
[15:45] <thecookie> Is there anything I could do to get sound working other than waiting for a patch?
[15:46] <joaopinto> eax, please pastebin your /etc/fstab
[15:46] <mininessie> thecookie: hope and pray
[15:46] <thecookie> nice
[15:46] <eax> joaopinto: Right, one moment :)
[15:46] <arand> thecookie: search ubuntuforums and launchpad, if it isn't reported, report a bug.
[15:47] <squiggie> I've got a ntfs volume mounted and shared via samba. When I connect to it from a windows laptop, it won't let me write anything to it. It tells me the disk is full. However the disk isn't full because I can mv items to it. I've tried to tail -f the samba logs and /var/log/syslog but nothing shows up at the time of the error. Any suggestions?