[01:32] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[01:33] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[01:34] <cbx33> any news?
[01:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you sleep?
[01:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: what time is it there?
[01:34] <cbx33> it's 00:34
[01:34] <cbx33> I've not gone to bed yet
[01:34] <cbx33> we had to "pop" out
[01:35] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, well try to upload again
[01:35] <cbx33> yeh?
[01:35] <cbx33> u think the change of package name will help?
[01:35] <LaserJock> yeah, raphink cleared it out
[01:35] <LaserJock> cbx33: name? or version?
[01:35] <cbx33> LaserJock, you are a legend
[01:35] <cbx33> version
[01:35] <LaserJock> I don't think that would effect it
[01:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: legend?
[01:36] <cbx33> yeh
[01:36] <cbx33> a star
[01:36] <cbx33> ok uploaded
[01:37] <cbx33> we'll have to see
[01:42] <cbx33> I'l be back in 5-6 hours
[01:42] <cbx33> breakfast
[01:43] <cbx33> :D
[01:43] <cbx33> 2 minutes
[01:43] <cbx33> it's not cos I have 2 email addresses associated with my key is it?
[01:43] <LaserJock> bah
[01:44] <LaserJock> I'm not sure, but it doesn't like it
[01:44] <cbx33> :(
[01:44] <cbx33> ok
[01:44] <cbx33> this sux
[01:44] <cbx33> I spent all that time getting it ready and REVU REFUses to accept it :p
[01:44] <LaserJock> cbx33: talk to siretart or raphink when you get up
[01:45] <cbx33> can you confirm it's been rejected?
[01:46] <LaserJock> pretty sure, the .changes file is in rejected
[01:46] <cbx33> ok
[02:12] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: morning
[02:12] <LaserJock> I guess
[02:12] <jsgotangco> hi!
[02:12] <jsgotangco> raining so hard here
[02:13] <LaserJock> I wish it would a bit
[02:14] <LaserJock> here
[02:14] <LaserJock> we keep having thunderstorms, but it is so dry and hot, the rain never reaches the ground
[02:14] <LaserJock> but the lightning makes it so we end up with fires
[02:16] <jsgotangco> doh
[02:16] <jsgotangco> when it rains hard here, the city streets get flooded
[02:19] <LaserJock> yeah, if it actually rains here for more than like 10 min. there is flash floods
[02:19] <LaserJock> we've got nothing to keep the dirt together ;-)
[02:19] <LaserJock> stupid desert
[02:19] <jsgotangco> lol yeah lots of mud i guess
[02:20] <LaserJock> bah, I wish Gnome used bzr or svn even
[02:20] <jsgotangco> but then manila doesn't have an efficient sewer system either
[02:20] <jsgotangco> err why?
[02:20] <LaserJock> cause I don't know how to use CVS :-)
[02:21] <LaserJock> I'm trying to build sabayon from CVS
[02:21] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:21] <LaserJock> actually bzr, but I need gnome-common from CVS
[02:22] <LaserJock> oh excelent, LP has got a bzr branch of it too
[02:22] <jsgotangco> is it updated
[02:22] <LaserJock> not sure, last revision was from 2006-06-12
[02:24] <LaserJock> yep, looks like it is up to date
[02:24] <LaserJock> I think LP is usually within 1 day
[02:26] <LaserJock> we'll see how long this takes, there's 800 revisions
[02:29] <bddebian> Hello
[02:47] <LaserJock> I wonder if the Kalzium guys would mind if I stole their data and pictures :-)
[02:51] <bddebian> heh
[02:51] <LaserJock> they have a lot of data, and they use xml to keep it in
[02:52] <LaserJock> gperiodic is like 1 .c file for the interface and 1 .h that has the data in like a list
[02:52] <LaserJock> kalzium has a glossary of chemistry terms
[03:05] <bddebian> Is kalzium in the archive?
[03:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:07] <LaserJock> it's a part of kdeedu I think
[03:07] <bddebian> AH
[03:07] <bddebian> I wondered why I didn't recognize the package name ;-P
[03:19] <Petaris> Can glibc be downgraded on x86_64 to 2.3.4 or be installed along side 2.3.6?
[03:20] <Petaris> I have a peice of software that doesn't seem to like 2.3.6 and tech support suggested downgrading if possible
[03:26] <crimsun> short answer: no.
[03:26] <crimsun> long answer: in a chroot, sure.
[03:36] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:41] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[03:41] <sbalneav> Hello there bddebian
[05:26] <mhz> hy gys
[05:26] <mhz> hy guys
[05:26] <mhz> hi guys
[05:27] <jsgotangco> you shouldn't be online then
[05:29] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[05:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: I have... some folks need little support in spanish
[05:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: however, i am in bed :)
[05:30] <mhz> now, if your concern is bout my typos, jsgotangco then you are right, i shouldn't be here :D
[05:30] <mhz> heheh
[05:33] <mhz> simple quiestion divided in two: a) any way clients can boot from Wi Fi ?     b) can a WiFi card be set and work as Access Point?
[05:35] <jsgotangco> a) most likely no. b) set up an ad-hoc network
[05:38] <Burgundavia> mhz: if you have an acess point, turn off the dhcp on it, connect the edubuntu server to one side and it should work
[05:38] <mhz> jsgotangco: thx, and setting such network using same server (the one used for local network and edubuntu), would it repreent a risk?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> the edubuntu server would need to have two nics and the access point would be connected to the lan portion
[05:39] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:39] <mhz> Burgundavia: thx. The scenario is indeed an Edubuntu server with 3 nics: eth0 eth1 and ath0
[05:40] <jsgotangco> hmm it seems limewire uses some kind of implementation of zeroconf
[05:40] <jsgotangco> i see a limewire share at the office building in rhythmbox
[05:41] <mhz> Burgundavia: so there is no access point, just ath0
[05:41] <Burgundavia> hmm, no idea if you wireless nic can do it
[05:42] <jsgotangco> ad-hoc but how effective it will be on what you want to accomplish no idea
[05:58] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: lol, it took almost 2 hrs to branch gnome-common :-)
[05:59] <mhz> re
[05:59] <mhz> sorry guys, I had a slight powercut (about less than a sec)
[05:59] <mhz> and I had to restart everything
[05:59] <mhz> Burgundavia: jsgotangco: i apologyze for that stupid powercut
[06:00] <mhz> last thing I read from you was: <Burgundavia> hmm, no idea if you wireless nic can do it
 ad-hoc but how effective it will be on what you want to accomplish no idea
[09:23] <jsgotangco> hey Nuffing
[09:32] <Nuffing> hey jsgotangco  :)
[09:32] <Nuffing> hey highvoltage
[09:32] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: hey how are you doing, how was your vacation =)
[09:32] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[09:32] <Burgundavia> congrats on the new and exciting stuff
[09:33] <Nuffing> vac was awesome, thanks
[09:33] <jsgotangco> okayyyy
[09:33] <Nuffing> would have been WAY easier if he had let me show him while I was THERE!
[09:34] <Burgundavia> Nuffing: isn't computer support via phone/email fun>
[09:34] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:34] <Nuffing> Burgundavia, the BEST! :P
[09:34] <highvoltage> hey Nuffing and Burgundavia!
[09:35] <highvoltage> Nuffing: richard 'with us' yet?
[09:35] <Burgundavia> everyday I am reminded why I no longer work support
[09:40] <Nuffing> highvoltage, well kinda
[09:41] <Nuffing> he is officially on board from today, but has suddenly found that he can't rem anything about IRC! Dork.
[09:42] <cbx33> hi all
[09:43] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: doh....
[09:44] <Nuffing> hey cbx33 !
[09:44] <cbx33> hi Nuffing
[09:45] <Nuffing> so how was 'gay Paris'?
[09:45] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[09:45] <Nuffing> jsgotangco ^?
[09:45] <Nuffing> that must be pronounced Paree
[09:45] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: we were stuck in an airport hotel
[09:45] <Nuffing> jsgotangco, so did I miss much, apart from the awesome ppl?
[09:46] <Nuffing> jsgotangco, your photos were nice, how hard was it to get into Paris from there?
[09:46] <jsgotangco> oh the people are great as always but for some reason we are cursed with hotels during these sprints?
[09:46] <cbx33> no one here knows how I can create a tooltip like object in pygtk but with an image as well?
[09:46] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: 16 hours
[09:46] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: Manila -> Amsterdam -> Paris
[09:46] <Nuffing> jsgotangco, oic, I meant from the hotel though :P
[09:47] <Nuffing> but wow 16 hrs!
[09:47] <jsgotangco> Hotel->Paris 40min by train which costs 16Euro
[09:47] <Nuffing> yikes!
[09:47] <Nuffing> pricey
[09:48] <jsgotangco> by taxi it would be 50Euro
[09:48] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:49] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: and Laserjock got his wallet pickpocketed in the metro somewhere
[09:51] <cbx33> yeh that sucked big time
[10:03] <JaneW> hi RichEd
[10:03] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:03] <RichEd> hi JaneW
[10:04] <RichEd> Greetings to all from Richard Weideman ... I'm starting today as Education Program Manager ...
[10:04] <jsgotangco> hey RichEd welcome
[10:04] <RichEd> Thanks jsgotangco
[10:06] <jsgotangco> whats up?
[10:09] <RichEd> I'll be in and around today, setting up & finding my feet ... might not be responding to everything until I get orientated ...
[10:10] <jsgotangco> sure ask away just in case
[10:34] <highvoltage> RichEd: welcome to edubuntu :)
[10:34] <highvoltage> (bbl)
[10:38] <EmxBA> hi
[10:38] <RichEd> hi
[10:45] <EmxBA> hi seveas
[10:45] <Seveas> hi
[10:46] <EmxBA> few weeks ago i got edubuntu cds
[10:46] <EmxBA> they look _great_
[10:48] <jsgotangco> great
[10:51] <EmxBA> anyone? we agreed something about our LUG's page (i am admin there), skolarci.linux.org.ba to be translated to english (by me) and forum shall be opened for that, but none of you said something including edubuntu. i would put a link there to edubuntu site, there are edubuntu 5.10 and 6.06 reviews, ...
[10:53] <jsgotangco> it shouldn't be that difficult, poke highvoltage he's the site admin
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i rarely see a website from bosnia
[10:53] <jsgotangco> that's nice
[10:55] <EmxBA> ok, but i told you that the skolarci.linux.org.ba is THE ONLY SITE for kids and about linux in whole world...happypenguin.org has only games and other site are mostly dedicated to games, skolarci (call it school kids) has apps and games reviews, links for starting a life in linux world :) and a section called "linux school", where kids can learn lots of things about linux itself
[11:04] <EmxBA> i shall speak to highvoltage
[11:09] <RichEd> EmxBA: I'm joining canonical today as the education programme manager ... I would like to chat to you at some stage about good web sites for kids & education & Linux ...
[11:09] <EmxBA> ok, no problem, It would be *great*!
[11:10] <crimsun> welcome, RichEd
[11:10] <RichEd> hi crimsun ... tx
[11:18] <RichEd> EmxBA: give me until the end of the week to settle in and do my first (ed)ubuntu install ... and then i will be ready to absorb your wisdom :)
[11:20] <EmxBA> ok :) just install it :)
[11:20] <jsgotangco> have fun
[11:27] <RichEd> waiting for my new notebook ... and then taking my first steps in converting from MS to FOSS ...
[11:30] <JaneW> RichEd: I'll hold your hand :P
[11:31] <JaneW> although ogra normally has to hold my hand...
[11:31] <ogra> i'm here, no worries :)
[11:34] <RichEd> ogra: can i ask a few questions regarind partitioning etc ?
[11:35] <RichEd> ragarding even :)
[11:35] <ogra> RichEd, sure
[11:36] <RichEd> background context is me being able to work, not wasting too much of my 40GB drive and able to demo to people in the education space ...
[11:37] <RichEd> my primary work space would be edubuntu ...
[11:37] <RichEd> q1: would i ever want to show people ubuntu as a boot option as well as edubuntu ...
[11:38] <ogra> if you want to show the difference, yes
[11:38] <RichEd> noted ... tx
[11:39] <ogra> brb, reboot
[11:47] <RichEd> ogra: i will need a small MS boot to demonstrate differences & similarities and for occasional non-compatability issues
[11:48] <ogra> so i'd suggest a 4 partition setup ...
[11:48] <ogra> MS, ubuntu, edubuntu and a /home partition
[11:48] <ogra> (thats five in fact because you should have a swap partition for linux)
[11:49] <RichEd> so i guess /home is for me to store & read from Ubuntu & Edubuntu ?
[11:49] <ogra> yep
[11:49] <RichEd> and swap partition is for me to store & read beteeen MS & Ubuntu & Edubuntu ?
[11:49] <ogra> thats holding all your personal data
[11:49] <ogra> nope
[11:50] <ogra> swap it like the windows tempfile ... if you run out of memory stuff is stored there
[11:50] <ogra> its a fallback ...
[11:50] <RichEd> okay ... virtual memory ... can all the OS share the saome one, or will this be for Ed/Ubuntu and will I use C: for MS
[11:51] <ogra> MS wont use it
[11:52] <ogra> windows uses a file vs. linux using a partition (which is a lot faster)
[11:54] <RichEd> okay ... understood
[11:54] <RichEd> q2: what partitioning would you recommend for Edubuntu (primary work space) Ubuntu (demo) MS (demo including Office) ... and then /home and then [swap]
[11:55] <ogra> swap == depending on memory size ... (i'd pick at least the same size as you have memory)
[11:56] <ogra> Ms will surely take 2-3GB no precise idea here, since its ages ago that i installed a windows anywhere
[11:56] <RichEd> 512MB RAM so I will make [swap]  1GB to allow for upgrade ...
[11:56] <ogra> i'd give the ubuntu and edubuntu partitions at least ~3-4GB each
[11:57] <ogra> and take whats left for /home
[11:57] <ogra> also make sure to install windows first, else it will just ignore that there are other OSes and overwrite the bootrecord
[11:58] <RichEd> office takes 2-3GB ! so will give MS 10GB to be safe ...
[11:58] <ogra> heh :)
[11:59] <RichEd> you know just in case the verage person wants to print their school report in brochure format with word art and cyrillic compatibility while being helped along by a paperclip ...
[12:04] <ogra> well, apart from the paperclip openoffice should fulfill all these needs ;)
[12:05] <JaneW> RichEd, OOo does everything MS Office does, PLUS no annoying paperclip! :)
[12:06] <ogra> well, thats another (less diplomatic way) to express it *g*
[12:06] <RichEd> re: also make sure to install windows first ->
[12:07] <RichEd> now for the tricky question ... i've got the hp 4200 on order ... i expect it on friday ... it is the small footprint travel notebook with an external CD drive ...
[12:07] <RichEd> it comes with windows OEM ...
[12:07] <ogra> then you should just shrink the existing windows partition
[12:08] <ogra> the installer offers that
[12:08] <RichEd> windows installer ? offers shrink ?
[12:08] <RichEd> the main problem is that they said they will only ship the CD at month end ... stock supply issue ...
[12:08] <ogra> nope, ubuntu installer
[12:09] <RichEd> okay ... makes more sense ...
[12:09] <ogra> if you get an oem version, isnt a system preinstalled ?
[12:09] <RichEd> yep ... XP professional (sic)
[12:11] <ogra> should be fine then, the installer should be able to resize that (i never tried though ... through lack of any windows around)
[12:14] <RichEd> now regarding the missing CD drive ... any clever suggestions as to how (if possible) I can install from Edubuntu CD ... I have a LAN and shared windows CD drives at home ...
[12:17] <ogra> hmm
[12:17] <ogra> thats not really a beginner task :)
[12:17] <ogra> couldnt you get a usb CD drive ?
[12:18] <ogra> there is a possibility to do a network based install, but that requires another machine and a lot of server setup
[12:21] <RichEd> i have asked them for a loan unit ... would prefer to go the easy route for now ... going to phone them now and insist on a loaner ...
[12:37] <RichEd> ogra: another question ... calls to adopt linux are always pushed under the "free os" banner ... great theory ... but how do you actually go about "not paying for windows" ?
[12:38] <RichEd> i was pointed to one dealer in SA who could sell me a DOS notebook ... but i found another offer which was cheaper due to some loyalty dicsounts I have ...
[12:38] <ogra> how would i modify windows programs if i need to ? how fast will they implement a feature i need at MS ?
[12:38] <ogra> how fast are security holes fixed ?
[12:39] <ogra> if i get windows for free, will i also get office ?
[12:39] <RichEd> yep ... those all very important, but if i am to push educational & student purchases, price to get up & going is often a factor ...
[12:39] <ogra> if i get office for free, will i also get development tools, server software etc ?
[12:39] <ogra> a linux system is much much more than just the os
[12:40] <ogra> (ubuntu has 17000 software packages)
[12:40] <RichEd> i heard a long time ago that there was a way of getting a refund for a windows purchase ... supposed to be difficult but possible ... does that still apply ... any idea ?
[12:40] <ogra> will i get a liveCD to recover my broken system from MS as well ?
[12:40] <ogra> etc etc
[12:41] <ogra> yes, that might be true, but you still only get the bare operating system
[12:42] <RichEd> sure :) not disputing any of these ... just really commenting on how difficult i have found it in SA to find any dealer who would sell me a virgin machine ...
[12:42] <ogra> right, thats hard in germany as well :)
[12:42] <ogra> the big advantage of edubuntu is LTSP here
[12:42] <RichEd> the problem is that if the new user is supplied with an OS (which he/she has paid for) on their new PC ... then it is harder for us to convince them to convert ... no ?
[12:42] <ogra> you can re-use all your existing hardware with it
[12:43] <RichEd> #1 they start off with windows on first use ... and #2 people are very reluctant to "throw away" the OS they have paid for ...
[12:43] <ogra> well, as soon as this user needs to do image editing and is told to buy photoshop fior $2000 it looks different :)
[12:45] <JaneW> ogra: there is a lot of piracy here too :P
[12:45] <RichEd> [note]  my questions might be provocative, but my approach is i support FOSS principles 150%, but i am a "skeptical windows convert" ... i'm adopting this aproach because it most resembles the profile of the people i will be dealing with ... existing windows users in education departments & schools ...
[12:46] <ogra> JaneW, well, piracy is illegal :)
[12:46] <JaneW> RichEd: although you will be doing some new installs as well, where they haven;t had anything yet. Those cases are easier, and 'once FOSS, aways FOSS'
[12:46] <RichEd> i've been working with schools & teachers & educational departments for 3 years with HP, and they have been seduced / trapped / brainwashed by "educational licences" from MS ...
[12:46] <JaneW> ogra, indeed
[12:47] <ogra> RichEd, my answer to that would be "try it" and "you will see that there is all software included a human being every needs"
[12:47] <ogra> *ever
[12:48] <RichEd> when you add this to the imbalance between Windows & Linux support (# of trainers, # of support options, # of dealers) then most people take the path of least resistance ...
[12:49] <RichEd> it's not *right* or *best* ... just an observation & comment on my local educational landscape
[12:49] <ogra> yep
[12:49] <ogra> the trick is to get them to try it
[12:50] <ogra> its usually convincing enough if they see whats all included
[12:50] <ogra> and if you ask them for the price they'd pay at MS for all this
[12:51] <ogra> i.e. edubuntu LTSP comes for free, a windows terminal server costs $n per seat ... yearly
[12:51] <RichEd> so let's say we show Edubuntu to a teacher, and he says I want 50 (pure) Edubuntu notebooks for my staff, could we save him 50 x WIndows OEM costs ?
[12:51] <ogra> sure, there are companys that offer laptops with ubuntu :)
[12:53] <RichEd> Can you give me an example, and i will chat further with them ? HP in SA have decided to go with Linspire ... sadly ...
[12:53] <Nuffing> gah dosconnected
[12:54] <Nuffing> dis even
[12:54] <ogra>  the HP offer is ~150 cheaper here if you take the ubuntu variant
[12:54] <Nuffing> ogra did you see my 2 questions?
[12:54] <ogra> Nuffing, nope
[12:55] <Nuffing> boss alert brb
[12:55] <RichEd> okay ... i'll swim upstream via some ex-colleagues to HP in europe and ask them some questions ...
[12:55] <RichEd> Nuffing: change back to JaneW :)
[12:56] <JaneW> sorry
[12:56] <ogra> there are also some IBM resellers in europe offering ubuntu
[12:56] <bimberi> hi RichEd, I just scrolled back and read your post about joining Canonical.  Welcome!
[12:56] <RichEd> tx bimberi :)
[12:57] <RichEd> i'll see if i can start a list of "buy with ubuntu pre-installed" resources ...
[12:57] <bimberi> RichEd: does the role have a global focus? (i'm in australia)
[12:57] <JaneW> ogra my questions were:
[12:57] <JaneW> ogra, how is Edubuntu Daper being received so far?
[12:57] <JaneW> and do you know how many CDs have been ordered so far?
[12:57] <RichEd> yep bimberi ... i'm the filter for all educational queries on ubuntu ...
[12:58] <RichEd> ogra: 150
[12:58] <bimberi> RichEd: great! :)
[12:58] <JaneW> RichEd, it will be good for you to talk to HedgMadge too, she has more of a teacer focus
[12:58] <RichEd> ogra: 150 euro is "a lot of money" to a student or teacher in SA ... probably 1 weeks wages for a teacher ...
[12:59] <ogra> JaneW, there is a guy from the ministry of education and arts from bayern who is intrested :)
[12:59] <RichEd> or 1 months rooom rental for a university student ...
[12:59] <ogra> apart from that i dont know how many have been ordered, but in paris they were all gone :)
[12:59] <ogra> 20000 was waaay underestimated :)
[12:59] <RichEd> bimberi: give me until next week to settle before you flood me with questions :)
[01:00] <bimberi> RichEd: don't worry i saw that post too ;)
[01:00] <RichEd> JaneW: tx ... not here now ... what's her email ?
[01:01] <JaneW> Susan something...
[01:01] <JaneW> she is active on the mailing list
[01:01] <ogra> Susan Stewart<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:01] <JaneW> ogra: thanks
[01:01] <RichEd> ogra: tx
[01:03] <ogra> JaneW, pfft, powerless, you are in a company that can cut our internet, there is way more power involved :)
[01:03] <bimberi> RichEd: You mentioned listing 'ubuntu preinstalled' resources - the Australian Local Community Team are doing just that (for laptops at this stage) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/UbuntuFriendlyNotebooks
[01:03] <JaneW> haha
[01:04] <ogra> RichEd, there is also a project in detroit where they refurbish old HW with edubuntu preinstalled for poor kids
[01:04] <bimberi> RichEd: I'm in process of making it a Marketing Team intiative for other Local Community Teams to pick up - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuFriendlyHardwareSuppliers
[01:04] <ogra> talk to jammcq or whiprush about it
[01:05] <RichEd> bimberi: excellent ... i'm definately not here to reinvent the wheel :)
[01:07] <bimberi> RichEd: oh no, i wasn't saying ...   just thought there might be some resources there you could use :)
[01:07] <RichEd> Forgive my ignorance and approach at times ... but i'm coming from 20 years of MS developer / support / user experience as a willing convert to Linux. If something is difficult or unclear to me, chances are our target audience will experience the same problems.
[01:08] <RichEd> bimberi: will be keen to tap all helpful knowledge & resources ... you are already on my list ;)
[01:10] <bimberi> RichEd: yikes ;)
[01:29] <JaneW> RichEd: FYI jammcq is Jim McQuillan as discuss yesterday
[01:29] <JaneW> hi rodarvus :)
[01:30] <ogra> rodarvus, morning rodrigo
[01:31] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:31] <rodarvus> JaneW: hi :)
[01:31] <rodarvus> hi ogra
[01:31] <rodarvus> RichEd: welcome :)
[01:32] <ogra> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~30min **********
[01:32] <RichEd> rodarvus: thanks :)
[01:36] <JaneW> ogra: oh right it's wednesday!
[01:36] <JaneW> RichEd, weekly meeting at 2pm
[01:37] <JaneW> ogra: good reminder-botting
[01:37] <ogra> :)
[01:37] <ogra> thanks
[01:37] <rodarvus> I wonder if ogra has some kind of alarm setup on his machine
[01:37] <ogra> nah
[01:37] <ogra> heh
[01:38] <ogra> i'm usually around at that time and this is a date i have deeply mounted in my brain :)
[01:38] <JaneW> ogra: I used to forget even WITH calendar reminders :P
[01:39] <rodarvus> tomorrows meeting is going to be fun stuff for me -> 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:41] <JaneW> rodarvus, those were my FAVOURITE
[01:41] <ogra> RichEd, you should take a look at the LAMS project btw, seems that becomes sabdfls future pet project wrt education
[01:42] <rodarvus> JaneW: I wonder if you wait to sleep until after the meeting or wake up at 3am :)
[01:42] <rodarvus> I'll probably wake up really early and start working after the meeting
[01:42] <JaneW> rodarvus, I sed to wake up at 3:40
[01:43] <JaneW> rodarvus, and then try to sleep again at 05:30 but was normally too alert to really sleep again
[01:43] <JaneW> s/sed/used/
[01:44] <JaneW> is it 04:00 UTC now?
[01:44] <ogra> you should really move to a sane TZ :P
[01:44] <JaneW> used to be 02:00 UTC
[01:44] <ogra> gah, my wlan is flaky today
[01:45] <JaneW> yeah UTC -2 to UTC +2 is the only valid band
[01:45] <JaneW> *hide*
[01:46] <rodarvus> k31th: yes, meeting times changed last week
[01:46] <rodarvus> k31th: oh, sorry
[01:46] <ogra> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~15min **********
[01:46] <rodarvus> JaneW: yes, meeting times changed last week
[01:46] <ogra> we only have 3 times to cope with now, not 4
[01:46] <ogra> and if you live in a sane TZ you dont have to get up at evil times :)
[01:47] <rodarvus> I think we now have 04:00 UTC, 15:00UTC and 23:00 UTC
[01:47] <ogra> nah ... it was something with 7:00 UTC, no ?
[01:47] <rodarvus> sorry, 7:00UTC
[01:48] <rodarvus> ogra: the rest is supposed to be correct
[01:48] <rodarvus> ogra: but actually, I believe meeting times are horrible for Brazil and (at last part of) Australia
[01:48] <JaneW> 23:00 YUK
[01:48] <JaneW> 1am
[01:48] <ogra> we dont have many core devs in either of them though ...
[01:48] <rodarvus> but they seem to be real good for europeans :D
[01:49] <ogra> yeah
[01:49] <ogra> i dodnt really care
[01:49] <ogra> +i made the ones before and i'll make them now as well
[01:49] <ogra> but before you could have an easy excuse ... (Ibroken alarm clock etc ;) )
[01:50] <ogra> thats not the case anymore :)
[01:50] <ogra> at least for europeans :)
[01:50] <ogra> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~10min **********
[01:50] <jsgotangco> good evening
[01:51] <jsgotangco> just in time =)
[01:51] <ogra> yeah
[01:51] <ogra> and its not even a council meeting :)
[01:52] <jsgotangco> :P council meetings are always at 4AM my time
[01:54] <jsgotangco> i guess its punishment and a curse
[01:54] <ogra> you just need to move to europe ...
[01:55] <jsgotangco> easy for you to say, you're european you don't need papers to go anywhere in the world =)
[01:55] <ogra> easily fixed :)
[01:55] <ogra> well, i think i need a visa for the US
[01:55] <ogra> but thats it ...
[01:55] <rodarvus> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~4min **********
[01:56] <jsgotangco> yuck who wants to go there anyway
[01:56] <rodarvus> ogra: your alarm forgot the 5 minutes tick :D
[01:56] <ogra> rodarvus, yay
[01:56] <ogra> no flint yet ...
[01:56] <ogra> thats unusual ...
[01:57] <JaneW> has flint been behaving?
[01:59] <ogra> sure
[01:59] <ogra> else we'll teach him to, its EDUbuntu, you know ;)
[01:59] <rodarvus> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~1min **********
[01:59] <rodarvus> :D
[02:00] <ogra> yay
[02:00] <ogra> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW !! **********
[02:41] <flint> JaneW, hey kiddo how's tricks?
[02:41] <flint> I have been playing with xen on top of the Dapper, very kewl.
[02:42] <JaneW> hi flint
[02:43] <flint> JaneW, Where are you working?  Who is taking care of greatest child in world?
[02:44] <flint> btw your man got reconnected... it just goes round-and-round.. I gotta get some coffee.
[02:45] <flint> Janew, stay well. sksk
[03:05] <ogra> JaneW, we elected lisa as artteam lead and made her a edubuntu member
[03:05] <JaneW> cool
[03:06] <JaneW> surrender even
[03:06] <ogra> apart from that the meeting was rather short and silent
[03:06] <pygi> JaneW, !!! :)
[03:06] <JaneW> he'll need to sign CoC etc before then though
[03:07] <ogra> yep
[03:07] <ogra> and a wikipage, LP account etc
[03:07] <JaneW> true, let's make him jump the flaming hoops first
[03:07] <ogra> rodarvus had to do that too :)
[03:08] <highvoltage> hehe
[03:08] <rodarvus> indeed :)
[03:08] <rodarvus> all this stuff takes a goog while to complete - I'm relieved you only have to do it once :)
[03:08] <JaneW> ok, when is next EC. Date & Time
[03:09] <JaneW> sorry missed this month, was on leave (and forgot)
[03:09] <ogra> in three weeks
[03:09] <jsgotangco> always at 4am always!
[03:09] <ogra> aug 2nd
[03:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco, :P
[03:10] <JaneW> 12:00 or 20:00?
[03:10] <ogra> 20:00 iirc
[03:10] <jsgotangco> its always 20:00
[03:10] <ogra> we should rotate on a three week base :)
[03:10] <ogra> so it flips :)
[03:10] <jsgotangco> oh no please don't im the only one affected
[03:10] <jsgotangco> surely its no hassle
[03:10] <ogra> ok
[03:11] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:42] <highvoltage> RichEd: those away messages aren't cool in ubuntu channels ;)
[03:43] <RichEd> highvoltage: noted
[03:57] <JaneW> did my away msg display?
[03:57] <ogra> luckily not :)
[03:58] <JaneW> hrm, so why did RichEd's? I told him to do it the same way I aways have
[04:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW: you know men ;)
[04:02] <rodarvus> quick reboot, I'll be right back
[04:02] <JaneW> jsgotangco, lol
[04:02] <RichEd> Janew: setting preferences show away messages : now unchecked :)
[04:03] <JaneW> ahh
[04:05] <JaneW> bye edubuteros
[04:06] <ogra> caio JaneW
[04:06] <ogra> *ciao too :)
[04:06] <JaneW> alwiedersein (sp?)
[04:06] <ogra> auf wiedersehn :)
[04:06] <JaneW> ahh
[04:06] <JaneW> that too ;?
[04:07] <ogra> :)
[04:29] <k31th> yo
[04:29] <Petaris> Hi
[04:30] <rodarvus> the 'quick reboot' took way longer than expectd
[04:30] <rodarvus> linux-2.6.17-4-686 is quite broken at this moment
[04:30] <rodarvus> - initrd is not being automatically generated
[04:30] <rodarvus> - kernel is not being added to grub menu
[04:31] <rodarvus> - ndiswrapper driver is MIA
[04:31] <rodarvus> possibly other stuff too :)
[04:34] <jsgotangco> heh i couldn't even boot my machine after an upgrade :/
[04:34] <rodarvus> jsgotangco: note that I needed to take action on all steps above :)
[04:34] <rodarvus> ogra was having problems on his imac too, if I remember correctly
[04:34] <jsgotangco> thank god im not as smart as you
[04:35] <jsgotangco> id probably have a brain tumour by now if I had to recover on that
[04:51] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[05:36] <EmxBA> hi everyone
[05:37] <EmxBA> seveas: you always come here when I do...few minutes/seconds after me, and I suppose you come here before me :)
[05:50] <ogra> rodarvus, ndis wqas demoted to universe
[05:50] <ogra> *was
[05:54] <rodarvus> ogra: I mean the kernel driver
[05:54] <ogra> yes
[05:54] <rodarvus> its not built inside our image anymore
[05:54] <ogra> yes
[05:55] <ogra> because ndiswrapper was demoted to universe, complain at Keybuk :)
[05:55] <ogra> (including the kernel pieces)
[05:55] <rodarvus> so there should be a ndiswrapper-module-2.6.17-4-686 (and all the rest too)
[05:55] <ogra> its the same sourcepackage for module and utils
[05:55] <ogra> dunno if it even built ...
[05:56] <ogra> so it might be there are no binarys at all
[05:56] <ogra> (yet=
[05:56] <ogra> )
[05:56] <rodarvus> heh
[05:56] <rodarvus> I'll deal with this sometime in the future
[05:56] <rodarvus> but surely not today :D
[05:56] <ogra> ask Keybuk
[05:56] <ogra> there was a reason why it was dropped
[05:56] <rodarvus> ogra: I will... some day :)
[05:57] <rodarvus> huge stuff
[05:57] <EmxBA>  sgotangco:hi
[06:05] <k31th> anyone know of a bit of software that will use a modem to pick up a fax and save it to a file ?
[07:35] <bddebian> Heya
[08:17] <slashdevnull> Hello, hello.
[08:17] <LaserJock> hi
[08:19] <slashdevnull> Quick q for the dev/support types: I have some ltsp clients that seem to want to boot without displaying the graphical login screen unless you hit alt-F7 after boot. Is this a known issue?
[08:20] <slashdevnull> Ubuntu 6.06 ltsp, beige box ltsp clients.
[08:21] <Yagisan> yes, I get it sometimes too
[08:21] <Yagisan> I have no idea why
[08:22] <Yagisan> but it took 30 seconds to train people to hit Alt+f7 while I try to find out why
[08:22] <Yagisan> I suspect it happens when my network is congested
[08:22] <slashdevnull> Yagisan, what xorg driver are you using? Mine is tdfx for the affected systems.
[08:22] <Yagisan> vesa
[08:22] <slashdevnull> Hrm, interesting.
[08:23] <Yagisan> I made life easy and tried vesa and sis
[08:23] <slashdevnull> We are thinking of upgrading the network in question with a gig-E switch.
[08:23] <Yagisan> vesa was faster
[08:23] <pygi> slashdevnull, that is good ^_^
[08:23] <slashdevnull> The server is already GE equipped, as are some of the thinclients
[08:23] <Yagisan> I had 100 Full duplex to the few systems, but 1000 would be nice
[08:24] <slashdevnull> Should I run the clients at gig also, if they support it, or let the server have more bandwidth than any one (or 10) clients can dish out at it?
[08:24] <pygi> Yagisan, to be honest, I never implemented network on 100Mbit (Edubuntu network) so I wouldn't know how it works
[08:24] <pygi> but 1000Mbit seems reasonable to me
[08:25] <Yagisan> pygi: works fine for up to 6 pc's (haven't tried more, had to borrow a few to demo it)
[08:26] <pygi> 6 might be, but 30 not for sure =P
[08:26] <slashdevnull> I have a 13-client network setup in our training room that works great. it's on gigE. The one I'm having problems with is a customer's network.
[08:27] <slashdevnull> Our 13-client network runs like a charm.
[08:27] <pygi> slashdevnull, great :)
[08:27] <slashdevnull> You'd never even realize that it was thin client. Feels like "phat" client. ;)
[08:28] <Yagisan> pygi: on Debian and the old ltsp, I ran 15 systems on 100. but that was a while ago, and on icewm
[08:29] <slashdevnull> The customer network seems to run into problems when one or more users hit websites with lots of animated flash banners. It looks like the banners are effectively becoming straming video servers. ;)
[08:29] <Burgwork> slashdevnull, thin clients are always going to have problems with rich media, like flash, I suggest you install flashblock
[08:29] <slashdevnull> er, streaming
[08:30] <slashdevnull> Not familiar with flashblock. I'll look it up. If it allows you to pick and choose what gets blocked, or what gets through at least, I can give it a try.
[08:30] <slashdevnull> The user needs to get access to certain flash content
[08:31] <Burgwork> I think you can have it that they can start the flash themselves
[08:31] <Yagisan> urgh flash
[08:32] <pygi> Burgwork, you are right
[08:32] <slashdevnull> cool.
[08:32] <Yagisan> perhaps when the gpl flash system are working fine I won't peg out at 100% cpu when one is loaded
[08:33] <slashdevnull> I realize that ltsp is not the ideal environment for rich media, but given that so many mainstream websites these days are chock full of flash banners, etc., it's pretty hard to avoid "rich media".
[08:34] <Burgwork> pygi, as per usual
[08:34] <Burgwork> ;)
[08:34] <pygi> Burgwork, indeed ^_^
[08:34] <Burgwork> pygi, where are you at with the gedit plugin guy? I saw he produced some code
[08:35] <pygi> Burgwork, right, not much, but at least he did what we told him ^_^
[08:35] <Burgwork> yes
[08:37] <LaserJock> ack, where is the school advocacy doc on edubuntu.org?
[08:40] <LaserJock> nvm, found it
[09:22] <EmxBA> hi
[09:34] <Burgwork> hey EmxBA
[09:35] <EmxBA> hey Burgwork!
[09:43] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[09:43] <EmxBA> cbx33: hi!
[09:43] <pygi> cbx33, !!!
[09:44] <pontifex> cbx33!
[10:11] <cbx33> hi all
[10:11] <cbx33> sorry I missed the meeting
[10:11] <cbx33> was in a meeting at work :(
[10:11] <cbx33> I have the minutes to do
[10:11] <cbx33> will get those done tomorrow
[10:11] <cbx33> LaserJock, you managed to approve gisomount yet :p
[10:14] <cbx33> bbl
[10:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: not yet
[10:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: busy today
[10:31] <LaserJock> I'll try to do it by the end of the day
[10:43] <cbx33> :D
[10:44] <cbx33> ok
[10:44] <cbx33> np
[10:44] <pygi> cbx33, !!!
[10:53] <cbx33> pygi, ???
[10:54] <pygi> cbx33, nothing ;)
[10:55] <cbx33> sure???
[10:55] <pygi> aha :)
[10:55] <cbx33> ???
[11:04] <pygi> cbx33, just ignore me;P
[11:08] <cbx33> i could never do that
[11:08] <cbx33> not with the skirt and pom poms
[11:09] <cbx33> :p
[11:09] <cbx33> nn all
[11:09] <cbx33> early night for me
[11:09] <cbx33> I may actually get 7 hours tonight
[12:11] <LaserJock> cool, somebody on my local LUG list is interested in getting Linux in schools
[12:12] <ogra> yay
[12:13] <LaserJock> somebody mentioned K12LTSP


[09:05] <magicaltrout> [boom dynamically scaling DC/OS masters
[09:05] <magicaltrout> nearly there
[09:26] <kjackal> magicaltrout: Nice!
[09:26] <magicaltrout> yeah only took 3 evenings to figure it out :P
[09:26] <magicaltrout> what a geek
[09:27] <magicaltrout> just converting the main tarball to a charm resource now
[09:27] <kjackal> Cool!
[09:27] <magicaltrout> although the docs suck...
[09:27] <kjackal> Let us know when/what to review!
[09:27] <magicaltrout> do I do
[09:28] <magicaltrout> hookenv.resource_get ?
[09:28] <kjackal> Oh you know what documentation is like...
[09:28] <magicaltrout> which should give me a path according to the docs?
[09:31] <magicaltrout> oh I found an example by mbruzek
[09:31] <magicaltrout> should do the job
[09:49] <marcoceppi> magicaltrout: there's also an example here: https://github.com/marcoceppi/layer-charmsvg
[10:00] <kjackal> Hello marcoceppi!
[10:01] <marcoceppi> o/
[10:01] <kjackal> Do you have ay news for me marcoceppi?
[10:01] <marcoceppi> no
[10:03] <kjackal> :) cool, let me know if there is anything I can do from my side
[10:42] <kjackal> Thank you marcoceppi!
[10:49] <stub> cory_fu, bcsaller_ : Whats happening with https://github.com/juju-solutions/charms.reactive/pull/66 ? I have some actions to write for an internal charm and need to know if I should be waiting, forking or going in a different direction.
[11:24] <kjackal> Good morning kwmonroe. I am looking on the issue you reported on reading/writing topics. How do you reproduce it?
[11:25] <rambit0> hello
[11:25] <rambit0> 1
[11:27] <rambit0> I get the message missing relation messaging
[11:48] <rambit0> on neutron-gateway
[11:48] <rambit0> do you know where I should search
[11:59] <rambit0> :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[12:16] <lazyPower> stub ooo an @action decorator
[12:17] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - are you still having issues with resources (per mailing list post)?
[12:17] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - i may be doing this incorrectly, but what's worked for me w/ etcd, is to push the charm code, then `charm attach` the resources, *then* publish like so:  charm publish ~lazypower/etcd --resource etcd-0 --resource etcdctl-0 (these are the resource identifiers returned from charm attach).
[12:17] <lazyPower> also pardon my omission of revision on the charm entity... it should read ~lazypower/etcd-2  for example.
[12:25] <magicaltrout> thanks lazyPower , the error on the list looks non fatal
[12:25] <magicaltrout> just ugly
[12:25] <lazyPower> right, i think the messaging could be better
[12:25] <lazyPower> but i didnt want you blocked since there is a known good workflow there
[12:26] <magicaltrout> well I've just got out of a meeting to find a node saying dc/os installed
[12:26] <magicaltrout> so I assume its not lying
[12:26] <magicaltrout> just gonna check
[12:28] <magicaltrout> lets spin up 2 more and have a party
[12:30] <magicaltrout> or a quorum at least
[12:34] <lazyPower> woo
[12:34] <lazyPower> quorum party
[12:37] <magicaltrout> boo i lied
[12:37] <magicaltrout> I hadn't republished
[12:38]  * magicaltrout tries lazyPower's method
[12:44] <magicaltrout> okay
[12:44] <magicaltrout> not a clue if its broken or not
[12:44] <magicaltrout> this is a bit shit
[12:44] <magicaltrout> charm attach cs:~spicule/wily/dcos-master-1 software=/home/bugg/Projects/dcos-master/bootstrap.tar.gz
[12:44] <magicaltrout> lazyPower: does that look right?
[12:44] <lazyPower> yep, if thats the name of the resource
[12:45] <lazyPower> it should yield a resource id like  software-0  when its successfully completed
[12:45] <magicaltrout> I get the same squid error
[12:45] <lazyPower> rick_h_ urulama any idea why we're getting squid errors on attaching resources? I've run into this before when i dont specify a charm revision... but this is clearly not the case per magicaltrout's paste above.
[12:46] <lazyPower> the squid responses both vex and frustrate me magicaltrout, i feel your pain here.
[12:47] <magicaltrout> aye bit of a pain when I'm just trying to clear DC/OS stuff off my desk and get it into the store for people to hack on ;)
[12:47] <magicaltrout> doesn't help when I can't understand what its trying to tell me :)
[12:50] <urulama> lazyPower: jrwren was looking into that. the default settings disconnect long uploads
[12:50] <lazyPower> ah right there was a post to the list about this last week
[12:50] <lazyPower> magicaltrout - whats the size of your payload?
[12:56] <magicaltrout> 478M lazyPower
[12:56] <magicaltrout> from a data centre not over my pipes
[12:59] <stub> lazyPower, urulama, magicaltrout : it also looks very similar to the bug report on the mailing list about large resources failing.
[12:59] <urulama-sprint> stub: yes, that's the same thing
[12:59] <magicaltrout> merlijn's?
[13:00] <stub> yes
[13:00] <magicaltrout> k
[13:00] <magicaltrout> I'll revert to wget from dropbox then :)
[13:44] <cory_fu> stub: I commented on https://github.com/juju-solutions/charms.reactive/pull/66 with a recap of the recent discussion I had with bcsaller_ about that.  When he comes on, I'd like him to verify that I didn't forget anything.  Let me know if that wall of text is unclear.  :p
[13:44] <cory_fu> I'd also like anyone else's input, because how actions are handled will affect everyone.
[13:44] <cory_fu> I know marcoceppi has thought about this as well
[13:45] <cory_fu> stub: Also, apologies for it taking so long to move on those PRs.  We've just been pulled in other directions.
[13:46] <magicaltrout> I like the idea of an action annotation
[13:46] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: I know the new RQ is very charm focused, but PRs like that one would really benefit from me being able to kick it up to community as a whole to make it clear that, "hey, I could use help with this"
[13:52] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: it's super charm focused atm, but we could expand that
[13:52] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: or, just mail the list
[14:22] <kwmonroe> kjackal - re: kafka write topic failure.. i believe it's only repro-able when the broker doesn't know its own hostname.  in the older charm, we had to set advertised.host.name so kafka knew when to listen.
[14:24] <marcoceppi> mm, 99% test coverage, it's been a while
[14:24] <kjackal> kwmonroe: ok, so I got the kafka charm deployed on EC2 and actions were working fine
[14:25] <kjackal> kwmonroe: also we were not opening the ports of kafka so that might have been an issue
[14:43] <stub> cory_fu: Ta, and rebutted ;)
[14:50] <stub> I wonder if the reactive phases to be run should be declared by the bootstrap script that kicks off reactive.main() ? main(['setup', 'hooks', 'main']). Could extend the framework in all sorts of ways then without messing with the core.
[15:04] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: is config.changed.<option> invoked on first hook run?
[15:04] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: Yes
[15:04] <marcoceppi> \o/
[15:17] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: does config.changed reactive states mess with config().previous ?
[15:31] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: The config.changed states are set based on hookenv.config().previous(), but they do not change the result of that
[15:33] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: one last question
[15:34] <marcoceppi> I'm rewriting an @hook(config-changed) state, one of the config option is version of software
[15:34] <marcoceppi> the rest are literally for the application
[15:34] <marcoceppi> so I basically want to do when any configuration changes, so long as it's not just version, but could also be version
[15:36] <marcoceppi> I'm trying to avoid needless spaming of writing out configuration files
[15:38] <cory_fu> Hrm.  If only the version changes, are you not going to need to re-write the config anyway as part of the update / reinstall?
[15:39] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: a seperate logic handles that
[15:40] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: and I want to avoid a race where config.changed is processed before everything else
[15:40] <cory_fu> What do you mean, before everything else?
[15:41] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: well, I have two handlers now, config.changed.version and config.changed
[15:41] <marcoceppi> if config.changed gets processed before config.changed.version then it's wasteful
[15:41] <stub> Probably simpler to use an if statement and the data_changed() helper
[15:42] <cory_fu> Ah, yeah.  I would say stub is right about the if statement, but I don't think you actually need data_changed
[15:42] <marcoceppi> I just want to know if more than version was changed, is there a way to list all changed keys?
[15:44] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: Not sure why you would want to do that?
[15:44] <stub> [state.split('.',3][-1]  for state in bus.get_states() if state.startswith('config.changed.')]
[15:44] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: Let me write up how I would structure this.  One second
[15:45] <marcoceppi> stub: that is certainly one way
[15:45] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: I'll put what I'm doing in a branch if you want to optimize the rest of my crap
[15:46] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17975757/
[15:46] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: I want to avoid rewriting config is version is the /only/ state changed though
[15:46] <marcoceppi> since it'll be written after intsall
[15:47] <stub> marcoceppi: Only way I could find - I needed similar for the apt layer.
[15:50] <cory_fu> Actually, that pastebin isn't ideal.
[15:51] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: What about this?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17975982/
[15:51] <arosales> lazyPower: do you know where the code location for mariadb is at:
[15:51] <arosales> https://jujucharms.com/mariadb/
[15:51] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: I was about to do that
[15:51] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: but I argued why I shouldn't
[15:51] <cory_fu> If the version changes, even if other config values have changed, you don't need to worry about rewriting the config
[15:51] <marcoceppi> but it doesn't matter
[15:51] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: yeah
[15:51] <cory_fu> I don't see the problem
[15:52] <cory_fu> Only one of those two will ever run
[15:52] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: yeah
[15:52] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17976046/
[15:52] <arosales> lazyPower: looks like you may have touched the charm last.  I would specifically like to know where the upstream code lives. I didn't find a branch at LP where the bug link is, and the project link just goes to mariadb.org
[15:52] <cory_fu> It basically says what you asked for.  Run the first when the version changed.  Run the second when any config has changed except the version
[15:53] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: earlier I hadn't refactored the mongodb.ready, but since I did I never really reconsidered this as a solution
[15:53] <cory_fu> Ah
[15:54] <marcoceppi> cory_fu thanks stub I will def be using that snippet for latter
[15:55] <cory_fu> stub: Your point about charms needing to react to changes made by actions is a good one.  So my only outstanding item on that PR is the CLI support.  Perhaps I can add it as part of the merge, though
[15:55] <cory_fu> Unless you want to take a stab
[15:56] <stub> cory_fu: I don't know where to begin on that bit
[15:56] <cory_fu> Ok, no worries
[15:57] <cory_fu> stub: I do think, though, that the goal for reactive actions should be to have charm-build populate actions from the templates by default.  I think marcoceppi is on board with me on that, yes?
[15:57] <stub> cory_fu: If charm build discovers and creates hooks for defined actions, an you think of a way for the user to specify that an action is 'traditional' or 'reactive' ?
[15:57] <cory_fu> stub: If they create the action file manually, charm-build will not replace it with the reactive template
[15:57] <stub> (although from what I can tell, charm build doesn't discover anything and only automatically creates hooks for interfaces)
[15:58] <stub> ok. I guess that is a perfectly reasonable UI.
[15:58] <cory_fu> Right.  charm-build is missing that functionality, but I want to add it
[15:58] <stub> ok. I had assumed we would be stuck declaring them in layer.yaml.
[15:58] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: +1 stub my thought was, interogate the actions.yaml file, if there's not actions/<action> file, create from boilerplate
[15:59] <stub> marcoceppi: oh, yeah. discovery of actions is easy that way.
[16:21] <lazyPower> arosales - i do, its still focused on the ~charmers branch in launchpad. http://launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/trusty/mariadb/trunk
[16:22] <lazyPower> arosales - looks like i need to bump the metadata on the charm, this was one of the high priority items that squeeked through a couple weeks back...
[16:25] <arosales> lazyPower: ok htanks
[16:25] <arosales> lazyPower: if you are touching that charm may be good to put http://launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/trusty/mariadb/trunk as the contribute repo unless dbart would like to move that else where
[16:25] <arosales> petevg: ^ note mariadb upstream link repo
[16:26] <lazyPower> right, i wound up creating the group mariadb-charmers for pushing the charm as there wasn't one provided by dbart
[16:26] <marcoceppi> arosales: if we're touching a charm, it's not going to live in ~charmers anymore
[16:26] <petevg> arosales: useful. thx.
[16:26] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: +1
[16:26] <lazyPower> https://launchpad.net/~mariadb-charmers   for reference
[16:28] <lazyPower> arosales petevg - is someone actively working on mariadb at hte moment for a review/etc?
[16:29] <petevg> lazyPower: arosales asked me to add a check for z Linux to make it install the package from universe, rather than from the mariadb repo.
[16:29] <petevg> That's all I'm doing to it at the moment, though -- adding a check for z Linux.
[16:29] <lazyPower> petevg - ok, so lets move that rpeository from ~charmers, and target a repository in ~mariadb-charmers then.
[16:30] <lazyPower> i'll send an email to dbart, cc you as well
[16:30] <lazyPower> make it nice and official
[16:32] <petevg> Sounds good.
[16:40] <marcoceppi> writing unit tests for reactive files is brutal
[16:41] <lazyPower> marcoceppi - its reminiscent of the stacks of @patch decorators in old amulet tests
[16:41] <lazyPower> i dont like it
[16:41] <marcoceppi> is there way I can like, globally mock status_set, set_state, etc?
[16:42] <marcoceppi> like in setUp?
[16:42] <lazyPower> only using with() statements, problem is, if you have a large method body calling those methods, you've re-implemented the stack of patches in a less obvious way
[16:42] <petevg> marcoceppi: You can manually create a mock patch, and then call stop and start on it whenever you want, instead of using the decorator.
[16:43] <arosales> lazyPower: could you cc me on the email to dbart I would like to discuss the s390x and ppc64el install paths
[16:43] <lazyPower> arosales will do
[16:43] <marcoceppi> petevg: you got an example?
[16:43] <arosales> lazyPower: thanks
[16:43] <marcoceppi> I just always want to mock these
[16:43]  * arosales waves at marcoceppi
[16:43] <petevg> It's been awhile since I've been foolish enough to try. Give me a moment to look it up :-)
[16:43] <arosales> marcoceppi: feel comfortable with  me giving your mongodb layers a run on s390?
[16:44] <marcoceppi> arosales: give me a min
[16:44] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: are you worried that 00-deploy (for https://github.com/apache/bigtop/pull/120/files#diff-30135d8baafe145bd84fb0ec91657c93R1) is going to run twice in bundletester?  do we need a restrictive glob for tests in tests.yaml?
[16:44] <marcoceppi> arosales: I'm just finishing unit tests and I've made a lot of changes in the past few hours
[16:44] <arosales> marcoceppi: no rush I can also check in tomorrow
[16:44] <marcoceppi> arosales: yas
[16:44] <arosales> marcoceppi: thanks for working on it
[16:44] <petevg> marcoceppi. From the docs here: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/mock/patch.html, you get:
[16:44] <petevg> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KTRbAA80/
[16:45] <marcoceppi> petevg: could you do it with a real pastebin?
[16:45] <petevg> Yes.
[16:45] <marcoceppi> apparently IRC cloud won' tlet you view it unless you're in irccloud, what a worthless sack
[16:45] <petevg> That's annoying.
[16:45] <petevg> here's a gist: https://gist.github.com/petevg/2b22752b29f1a5f809560f448f6e7f63
[16:46] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: It may run twice (I guess Tim's out, but he'd be able to answer that more definitively) but the second one would be close to a noop.  It would add only around 30s, maybe a minute, to the total run time
[16:46] <cory_fu> A test pattern would not be bad, though, if you want to figure out what that should be
[16:46] <kwmonroe> yeah cory_fu, but i think that's only because we luckily have reset: false in our tests.yaml.  i pity the soul that uses us as a reference and double's their test time.
[16:47] <kwmonroe> not a biggie cory_fu.. i'll scan our bits and see if it could be as simple as *.py.
[16:47] <cory_fu> Well, the only reason we can use the bundle_deploy option at all is because we also use reset: false.  It wouldn't do anything useful w/o it
[16:47] <petevg> marcoceppi: You can use that in conjunction with unittest's setUpClass and tearDownClass methods and have code that isn't too messy, or too prone to failure. You wind up with a lot of lines like "self.foo_patcher = ...", "self.bar_patcher=...", though.
[16:48] <marcoceppi> there has to be a better way
[16:48] <Odd_Bloke> marcoceppi: If you do it in a TestCase super-class and inherit from that, then you only have to write it once.
[16:49] <petevg> Odd_Bloke says smart things.
[16:51] <marcoceppi> Odd_Bloke: yeah, I'm trying to read up on testcase superclassing
[16:51] <Odd_Bloke> marcoceppi: Like this: https://gist.github.com/OddBloke/d9a3e87bd397878a77f21bb080e05275
[16:51] <marcoceppi> Odd_Bloke: you da real mvp
[16:52] <Odd_Bloke> marcoceppi: Note what you'll need to do for test cases that do already have a setUp: https://gist.github.com/OddBloke/d9a3e87bd397878a77f21bb080e05275
[16:52] <Odd_Bloke> marcoceppi: (And a tearDown, for that matter)
[16:53] <marcoceppi> Odd_Bloke: up!
[16:53] <marcoceppi> thanks
[16:54] <Odd_Bloke> marcoceppi: (And if you're patching loads of things consider shoving them in a list and having your tearDown just do: `for patcher in self.list_of_patchers: patcher.stop()`)
[16:55] <marcoceppi> Odd_Bloke: is setup called for ever test method, or once per testcase class?
[16:55] <Odd_Bloke> marcoceppi: Per method; setUpClass is per class.
[16:55] <Odd_Bloke> (You probably want it per-method, else you'll end up with previous tests mocks which will already have some state)
[16:56] <marcoceppi> Odd_Bloke: I do, just wanted to make sure I didn't need to run reset_mock
[16:58] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[17:00] <marcoceppi> Odd_Bloke petevg thanks!
[17:01] <Odd_Bloke> marcoceppi: Any time. :)
[17:02] <Odd_Bloke> Pretty much my entire professional career has consisted of arriving at a place, throwing up my hands at the testing, and then writing tests until I give up. ;)
[17:03] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke <3
[17:07] <arosales> stub: nice work it looks like https://jujucharms.com/postgresql/ may "juju work" on s390x
[17:07] <stub> cool
[17:07]  * arosales has a "Live master (9.5.3) " workload status on a s390x machine atm
[21:38] <bdx> is there a way to set arbitrary enpoint bindings for charms when deployed in bundles?


[04:58] <xrs> how do i install my custom TTY font in xfce without using terminal or manually placing the font in a folder?
[04:59] <holstein> xrs: thats how i do it
[05:00] <holstein> xrs: you can gksudo open a file manager and manually move it that way
[05:00] <holstein> xrs: you can probably add them somewhere in your /home without root access
[05:00] <Unit193> /home/user/.fonts/
[05:00] <holstein> xrs: i would join the xubuntu mailing list and ask... or just search for a guide
[05:00] <xrs> in standard ubuntu you just double click the font which opens in some app and you click an install button. unfortuately they are vague on what package it is that handles this
[05:01] <Unit193> !ttf
[05:01] <holstein> xrs: ubuntustudio *is* standard ubuntu.. you find out what "some app" is, and you can install it
[05:02] <xrs> heres the problem, i dont want to do it manually i want an easy way for  inexperienced users to just click to open then click iinstall like in that ^^ link. but in Studio, it doesnt work that way
[05:02] <holstein> xrs: i usually just do it for users
[05:03] <holstein> xrs: i consider sudo mv to be quite easy
[05:03] <xrs> i am trying to ask in ubuntu what package that is but right now its full of people like me asking questions n not really any one with answers. i will gladly write up a new wiki or whatever 4 studio once i figure this out
[05:03] <holstein> xrs: also, opening a root filemanager is not that challening, though it can be easy to break things
[05:04] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts that Unit193 linked looks helpful
[05:04] <xrs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts#Installing_downloaded_fonts_in_Ubuntu_10.04_LTS  <-- this is what i am trying to do. studio does not seem to do this as the font opens in fontforge
[05:04] <holstein> xrs: you can always just seach "fonts" in the repos
[05:05] <xrs> ....its a custom font not found in any repo
[05:05] <Unit193> !info gnome-font-viewer
[05:05] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts#Via_Synaptic should work
[05:05] <holstein> xrs: you might want to ask the font maintainers how they expect you to install them
[05:05] <xrs> thank you Unit193
[05:06] <Unit193> xrs: Sure.
[05:06] <Unit193> I don't know for 100% sure, but looks like it to me.
[05:09] <xrs> yes Unit193, this is exactly what i was looking for thank you
[05:18] <xrs> hmm... seeing as how its a gnome package how should i get the word out that that package is what you need if you want to install fonts by clicking on them?
[05:27] <Unit193> I'd say edit the wiki page and put the title in (wisely, of course)
[21:37] <NoTchTesT> any AV editor here?
[22:33] <xrs> here


[08:40] <kraut> moin
[09:00] <abogani> kraut: Morning
[09:17] <kraut> morning abogani
[09:41] <AnAnt> BenC: ping
[09:43] <Kano> could somebody disable 2 usb ids for sn9c105
[09:43] <Kano> the driver is loaded but not working
[09:45] <Kano> 0c45:60fe does not work - i dont know any other driver for that yet
[09:45] <Kano> but
[09:49] <Kano> 045e:00f5 does not work with sn9c105 - the also installed gspcs driver works
[09:49] <Kano> please disable both
[09:51] <Kano> 045e:00f5 Microsoft Corp.
[09:51] <Kano> 0c45:60fe Microdia
[09:52] <Kano> the ms cam is just a bit yellow tainted *g*
[10:18] <alex_joni> Kano: wonder if that can be done in freeze
[10:18] <Kano> well if you cant, i can do for my kernels
[10:19]  * alex_joni is not part of the kernel team.. so I don't know..
[10:19] <Kano> well i compile the kernels for etch/kanotix
[16:10] <mario_limonciell> BenC, are you going to be joining?
[16:12] <BenC> mario_limonciell: Yes, sorry, lost track of time
[16:12] <BenC> mario_limonciell: calling in now
[17:39] <smb> BenC: I just pushed linux-meta (hardy) and put .dsc to sign on zinc:~smb/2sign. I removed lrm dep for virtual and fixed the descriptions.
[18:59] <smb> mjg59: Could you help me with your opinion on bug 107929. Do you have an idea why the patch to remove non-existent hw causes troubles with backlight?
[18:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107929 in reconstructor "[needs-packaging] reconstructor" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107929
[18:59] <smb> mjg59: sorry wrong number
[18:59] <smb> mjg59: bug 197929
[18:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197929 in linux "Backlight adjustment no longer works on Thinkpad X61s" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197929
[19:12] <smb> BenC: ping
[20:18] <MiHu> Hi everybody. A few days ago I reported bug #201197. On 2007-05-17, Ben Collins removed my driver called "MXB" from the list of modules to be build. I think there was a misunderstanding which of my drivers supports which kind of hardware. Is anybody willing to discuss this issue with me now?
[20:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201197 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Driver for "Multimedia eXtension Board" (MXB) missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201197
[20:30] <mjg59> smb: BecauseThinkpad weirdness
[20:30] <mjg59> I haen't had time to root-cause it yet
[20:32] <smb> mjg59: Ok, so I guess it is better to wait a little bit before reverting anything. As I can say from my thnkpad, not all models are broken.


[00:04] <hatch> man booking trips with a group is grueling work - new startup idea.....a person who you contact to give you travel options and knows details about travel destinations
[00:11] <rick_h_> hatch: like a ... travel agent ... ?
[00:11] <hatch> yeah.... dot com
[00:11] <hatch> travelagent.com
[00:11] <hatch> awesome name
[00:12] <huwshimi> hatch: terrible idea, it would never work
[00:12] <hatch> no? damn
[00:12] <hatch> well 80% of startups fail right?
[00:12] <hatch> this one luckaly failed early
[00:12] <hatch> luckily*
[12:16] <rick_h_> let the bug spam commence!
[14:51] <jcastro> rick_h_, is there a way to turn off the "confirm" bottom bar?
[14:51] <jcastro> I was thinking, for demo modes
[14:51] <rick_h_> jcastro: there's a cheat
[14:51] <rick_h_> jcastro: but not a way to turn it off right now
[14:51] <jcastro> I was thinking as part of demo mode
[14:52] <jcastro> like, around hour # 3 or 4 the constant confirmation gets old, heh
[14:52] <jcastro> rick_h_, everything worked great at AWS btw
[14:52] <rick_h_> awesome!
[14:52] <rick_h_> jcastro: so for the "add to demo" buttons on jujucharms.com we skip it with a special url 'deploy-target' https://demo.jujucharms.com/?deploy-target=cs:trusty/juju-gui
[14:53] <rick_h_> jcastro: but that's only for initial getting something loaded via a link or something and not really turning off the bar
[14:53] <jcastro> should I just file a wishlist?
[14:53] <rick_h_> jcastro: yes please.
[14:53] <rick_h_> jcastro: you're the second person to mention it now so good to look at putting it on the radar
[14:55] <hatch> heh immediate mode makes a comeback
[14:56] <rick_h_> hatch: :P
[14:56] <hatch> luca: I remember before you talking about wanting to go to a icon font - there have been people with issues rendering them using 'odd' sizes and because of that switching to svg's
[14:57] <luca> hatch: I don’t mind what we do. kadams54 and Huw were looking at the implementation and I think they said an icon font was possible.
[14:57] <hatch> luca: here is one of the many posts http://mir.aculo.us/2014/10/31/icon-fonts-vs-inline-svg/
[14:58] <hatch> I suppose kadams54 ^ too
[14:58]  * hatch looks at blurry fonts all day thanks to Apple screwing up OSX so I'd also rather not do it in Ubuntu too ;)
[15:00] <kadams54> I had not run into the even width vs. odd width thing before, good to know.
[15:04] <hatch> yeah - I've never been a huge fan of custom fonts just because of the overhead of modifying them
[15:04] <hatch> but this is new to me
[15:04] <hatch> too
[15:07] <rick_h_> what's the icon font thing for?
[15:08] <hatch> I think to replace the icon svg's
[15:08] <hatch> or pngs or something
[15:08] <rick_h_> which icons?
[15:08] <hatch> not sure :)
[15:08] <rick_h_> heh
[15:08] <hatch> I think all the ones which make sense for jujucharms and the gui
[15:09] <hatch> x's arrows, lightbulb, eyeball etc
[15:09] <rick_h_> ok, vs just spriting them?
[15:10] <hatch> yeah or using inline svg's
[15:10] <hatch> I don't remember exactly I just remember some chatter in brussels
[15:10] <rick_h_> gotcha, ok well /me ignores and carries on with the day
[15:13] <hatch> new yuidoc https://github.com/yui/yuidoc/releases/tag/v0.4.0
[15:21] <kadams54> changing locations
[15:21] <lazyPower> rick_h_: do we have a place to file bugs against jujucharms.com now?
[15:22] <lazyPower> i'm seeing breakage on the overview listings: https://jujucharms.com/data-analytics-with-sql-like/1  -   http://i.imgur.com/GYrmfY9.png
[15:22] <rick_h_> lazyPower: not yet, shoot me an email?
[15:22] <lazyPower> ack i'll roll that into an email
[15:22] <rick_h_> ty
[15:22] <rick_h_> bah we need to get this release out the door
[15:23] <rick_h_> lazyPower: what browser? looks ok here so guessing we've got a browser issue.
[15:24] <rick_h_> lazyPower: also see if the QA site works please http://qa.storefront.theblues.io:6543/data-analytics-with-sql-like/1
[15:24] <lazyPower> rick_h_: chrome, and it persists through a cache wipe
[15:24] <rick_h_> lazyPower: hmm, ok
[15:24] <lazyPower> Version 38.0.2125.122 (64-bit)
[15:24] <lazyPower> same behavior on QA
[15:24] <rick_h_> lazyPower: yea, shoot me an email with all the details and I'll get it filed and looked at
[15:25] <lazyPower> works in firefox though
[15:25] <rick_h_> yea, working in chrome 40
[15:25] <rick_h_> so some combo of badness we've not seen
[15:25] <lazyPower> ack, ping me when we get a bug tracker and i'll file proper bugs instead of bugging you in channel :) <3
[15:32] <lazyPower> included in the email, a reload in FF brought the breakage on as well. i've included ss's for validation
[15:32] <lazyPower> if you need anything more from me dont hesitate to reach out
[15:32] <rick_h_> lazyPower: ty will do
[15:51] <rick_h_> uiteam call in 10 kanban please
[16:05] <rick_h_> kadams54: call?
[16:17] <hatch> kadams54: lol I'll check that out for some lunch reading
[16:18] <kadams54> hatch: it's also a fun look back at how far we've come. At the time Zeldman was still dealing with Netscape Navigator 4.0.
[16:18] <kadams54> From one of the questions: "However, there are still a lot of users who run older browsers, or prefer to use text-only browsers such as Lynx."
[16:18] <hatch> haha
[16:19] <kadams54> Oh kneckbeards. How we love your text-based antics.
[16:22] <kadams54> And then there are the parts in the interview that just want to make me cry. While answering a "banners suck, how do we make money" question:
[16:22] <kadams54> "Eventually, Slashdot got into a position where it could make money, but Slashdot is true to itself and was not corrupted or changed by any commercial considerations. So it is possible to make a good thing and not blow it when the cash register starts jingling. But a lot of other sites and communities have turned to dreck when money was involved."
[16:23] <kadams54> "that just make me want to cry"
[16:23] <kadams54> Wow did I get dyslexic with that sentence.
[16:32] <hatch> kadams54: lol
[17:15] <hatch> uiteam we have an issue with the gui release
[17:15] <hatch> https://manage.jujucharms.com/api/3/charm/trusty/juju-gui-14/file/icon.svg no icons for precise version either
[17:16] <jcastro> luca, ping!
[17:17] <luca> jcastro: hey
[17:17] <jcastro> heya, when do we expect the videos page to be insights-driven?
[17:18] <luca> jcastro: soon, th community page is going live with a feed from insights I think today, the videos page hasn’t been built just yet but there will be a feed on the community page
[17:20] <kadams54> uiteam: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/660 (Switch to CSS for visibility effects.) is ready for reviews and QA.
[17:21] <jcastro> luca, ok thanks!
[19:40] <rick_h_> kadams54-away: ci hating on your again?
[19:47] <rick_h_> kadams54-away: <3 this solution
[19:54] <hatch> Facebook has released Flow their javascript typechecker http://flowtype.org/
[19:54] <hatch> might be something worth adding to our stck
[19:54] <rick_h_> why is everything 'flow' with them?
[19:54] <hatch> stack
[19:54]  * rick_h_ runs lalalalalalalala
[19:54] <hatch> lol
[20:07] <hatch> kadams54: nice branch - but that conveience method is only helpful with d3 classed() correct?
[20:07] <kadams54> Yes
[20:10] <kadams54> hatch, rick_h_: You know what I like the best about this branch? It kills a test that had nested timeouts. Woot!
[20:10] <hatch> right...on!
[20:10] <hatch> kadams54: if it's not landed yet, maybe add a comment to it's usefulness for that method
[20:11] <kadams54> You mean like this? "An object literal that can be passed to D3's classed method."
[20:11] <hatch> thanks for doing this - I was worried it was going to get put into the bottomless pit called backlog
[20:11] <hatch> oh lol
[20:11] <hatch> yeah like that
[20:11] <hatch> woops
[20:11] <hatch> reading fail
[20:11] <kadams54> :-)
[20:12] <kadams54> I'll amend the description to mention something as well.
[20:17] <hatch> oh kadams54 there are no animations here?
[20:24] <hatch> jujugui lf a review and qa on https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/661
[20:24] <hatch> +2 -2 diff .....aww yeah
[20:25]  * urulama needs to check that PR666 when it's available :) hope it includes a link to Iron Maiden song :)
[20:26] <hatch> haha
[20:26] <hatch> challenge accepted!
[20:27] <urulama> :D
[22:00] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:03] <kadams54> hatch: looks like you still need reviews/QA on #661 - taking a look now.
[22:03] <hatch> thanks
[22:03] <hatch> kadams54: also are you planning on adding animation to those css changes?
[22:03] <hatch> I noticed after it had landed that it was missing those styles
[22:03] <kadams54> Yes, I'll add that back in.
[22:05] <kadams54> hatch: did the old implementation have animation? I'm not that familiar with D3, but I don't see anything animation-ish when I look back at the diff.
[22:05] <hatch> the animation was removed from the code because it was broken
[22:05] <hatch> but pre about a week ago, it did
[22:07] <kadams54> Ah, that makes me feel less bad.
[22:07] <hatch> :)
[22:08] <kadams54> Ah hah, found it. Duration of 400ms.
[22:09] <kadams54> You realize that you've distracted me from QAing your PR, right? ;-)
[22:09] <hatch> lol no problem it only needs to land before the next release :)
[22:28] <huwshimi> hatch: Do you remember how we're embedding the fonts in the gui?
[22:28] <hatch> index.html?
[22:29] <huwshimi> hatch: We're definitively not embedding them on jujucharms.com :)
[22:29] <hatch> oh so that's why the fonts are different?
[22:30] <hatch> huwshimi: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/app/index.html#L45
[22:30] <huwshimi> oh wait
[22:31] <hatch> that's where we do it in the geeeewwwwiiii
[22:32] <huwshimi> I was looking in IE and it is the correct font, it's just the aliasing threw me off for a second
[22:56] <huwshimi> hatch: Are comingsoon and demo.jc deployed with different web servers or anything?


[05:35] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Beta] has been marked as ready
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Ah we didn't have a ReleaseNotes page for 23.10, working on it.
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManticMinotaur/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[17:04] <tsimonq2> plasma-discover upload was me.
[17:05] <tsimonq2> Bug 2036098 is critical for Lubuntu, and as part of that, I needed to add some alternative depends for the XDG portal, since both of us ship Discover.
[17:05] -ubottu:#kubuntu-devel- Bug 2036098 in xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt (Ubuntu) "[mantic] xdg-desktop-portals no longer working in default Lubuntu after xdg-desktop-portal 1.17.1" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2036098
[17:05] <tsimonq2> I pushed it to Git, if there's anything further I need to do please let me know


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[15:52] <rexbron> just a heads up for everyone here, I'm working getting nightly builds set up for ffmpeg, x264, blender and a few other tools set up
[15:57] <persia> Using the new VCS->build system?
[16:00] <rexbron> persia: yep
[16:00] <persia> nifty
[16:00] <rexbron> there are a few workflow issues I'm having to work around
[16:01] <rexbron> mainly not be able to use the run command on launchpad
[16:01] <rexbron> but the solution I came up with is to branch the upstream, add the debian dir to it then tell it to merge
[16:02] <rexbron> in fact ffmpeg is building right now :)
[16:02] <rexbron> basically, the docs that currently exist are kinda wrong
[16:03] <rexbron> you can't just take the debian branch and merge it with the upstream
[16:03] <rexbron> but the system is quite elegant imo
[16:04] <rexbron> persia: even better would be to use a recipe branch instead of having to copy and paste the recipe into launchpad
[16:04] <persia> File a bug requesting that.  I suspect the LP folks would agree.
[16:10] <rexbron> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/627466
[16:13] <rexbron> persia: the ffmpeg packaging contains a lot of blackmagic :/
[16:14] <rexbron> three days of beating my head against it
[16:14] <persia> Have you talked with siretart about it?
[16:15] <rexbron> persia: the last time I contacted him about it, I didn't get a friendly responce
[16:15] <rexbron> ffmpeg is one of those packages that is a nightmare
[16:15] <persia> Odd.  He always struck me as a freindly guy.  Dunno then.
[16:16] <rexbron> persia: probably because I was bugging him for an update :{
[16:16] <rexbron> :P
[16:16] <rexbron> in any case, the tools now exist to make that very painless
[16:16] <persia> Yeah, that would do it :)  the black magic needs care...
[16:17] <rexbron> there's actually a section in the rules file to make it hard to mix the debian ffmpeg with any thing else
[18:15] <rexbron> persia: et al. If anyone is interested in testing the packages, the url is ppa:rexbron/rexbron-nightly
[18:34] <rexbron> ScottL: scott-work Could you create an ubuntu studio nightly ppa?
[18:59] <rexbron> TheMuso: I'm going to try and tackle ardour3 nightlies soon
[19:04] <rexbron> TheMuso: well firstly, ardour has switched build systems
[19:04] <rexbron> and I don't think cdbs supports waf
[19:04] <rexbron> at least the same way that it does scons
[21:50] <ckontros> ScottL: yo
[23:13]  * TheMuso groans. Another build system change for ardour...


[13:53] <scott-work> good morningin
[13:53] <scott-work> morning, even
[16:05] <GridCube> does the mechanics of installation have changed?
[16:05] <GridCube> i mean i start the cd and i get a dark purple screen
[16:06] <GridCube> with a small keyboard logo and an equal and an accessibility logo
[16:09] <GridCube> and if i dont press any key it goes and loads what i guess its the live cd?
[16:10] <GridCube> but i havent been able to pass the [xubuntu 12.04][ ... ] screen so far in like 15 minutes of waiting
[16:10] <GridCube> im using a vbox with 900mb of ram dedicated
[16:12] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/195073
[16:12] <GridCube> i get this error now
[16:13] <micahg> GridCube: do you have PAE enabled?
[16:13] <GridCube> yes
[16:13] <GridCube> if not it wont let me start
[16:13] <baizon> i get this error every boot on 11.10
[16:15] <GridCube> its there a bug report for it?
[16:15] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/195074
[16:15] <GridCube> failed xsession i guess?
[16:16] <GridCube> or like, its just loading
[16:16] <GridCube> now thinks are just black
[16:16] <GridCube> s/thinks/things/
[16:23] <GridCube> well live session has started
[16:24] <GridCube> but its in english, by default
[16:24] <GridCube> i don't understand what happened
[16:24] <GridCube> why does it magically went to live session
[16:24] <GridCube> ?
[16:25] <GridCube> or, since when does that?
[16:45] <GridCube> :/
[17:00] <GridCube> ok i think i've found a huge bug on ubiquity
[17:01] <GridCube> if you choose >Español at the begining of the installation
[17:01] <GridCube> and then go to >instalar xubuntu
[17:01] <GridCube> instead of the first option, that is try without installing
[17:01] <GridCube> it then loads the live session
[17:02] <GridCube> it doenst directly goes to the installer
[17:04] <GridCube> oh :( ubuntu-bug doesnt work because i cant set a global proxy on xubuntu
[17:12] <GridCube> :(
[17:12] <GridCube> how do i collect the data?
[17:20] <GridCube> well, cant use ubuntu-bug on the test box
[20:15] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/920639
[20:56] <GridCube> knome, hello
[20:56] <GridCube> today i tried to install a live session
[20:57] <GridCube> i've seen a few silly errors on the installer :P
[20:57] <GridCube> for example, when it goes to show you the pretty screens that welcome you to xubuntu and show the uses it has
[20:57] <GridCube> it shows a mail being writen
[20:58] <GridCube> that invites someone to use xubuntu oneiric :P
[20:59] <knome> can you file a bug against errm xubuntu-default-settings or sth, and add me as the assignee
[20:59] <knome> actually
[20:59] <knome> wait
[21:00] <knome> file it against https://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu and set me as assignee
[21:00] <GridCube> also see the other bug i already reported?
[21:00] <knome> that's something cjwatson should take care of
[21:01] <GridCube> okay
[21:05] <GridCube> knome, how to find you to assing?
[21:08] <GridCube> i cant assign you
[21:08] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/920656
[21:08] <knome> done
[21:08] <GridCube> :)
[21:09] <GridCube> oh, pasi :P
[21:09] <GridCube> never would guess that
[21:15] <knome> hu? :P


[07:25] <amjjawad> octoquad, hi
[07:25] <amjjawad> darkxst, hi
[08:22] <darkxst> amjjawad, hi
[08:22] <darkxst> am busy outside atm
[08:22] <darkxst> might be back later!
[10:27] <darkxst> amjjawad, back!
[10:27] <darkxst> epic day though
[11:49] <amjjawad> darkxst, I know you're super tired. Forgive my Q but is there anything you would like to add to the release notes? I have had a super bad day but I just want to forget what happened to me right now
[11:50] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Alpha2/UbuntuGNOME
[14:05] <amjjawad> Alpha 2 arrived: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/15.04/alpha-2/
[14:05] <amjjawad> I'll add the final touches to the release notes and make the official announcement
[14:38] <LinDol> amjjawad, thank you for your hard work.
[14:39] <amjjawad> thank you, LinDol for choosing and using Ubuntu GNOME
[14:39] <LinDol> ;-)
[15:00] <amjjawad> And, it is here
[15:00] <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/vivid-ververt-alpha-2-has-arrived/
[15:10] <amjjawad> 2:10am here so must sleep :)
[15:11] <amjjawad> good night everyone and thanks a lot for all your hard work for testing A2
[15:14] <lindol> amjjawad, have a good night :)
[15:14] <amjjawad> lindol, thanks :)
[15:17] <octoquad> hi amjjawad
[15:18] <amjjawad> octoquad, hi
[15:18] <amjjawad> was about to leave
[15:18] <octoquad> i see that
[15:18] <amjjawad> sorry, time zone :(
[15:18] <octoquad> just got home from work
[15:19] <octoquad> np
[15:20] <amjjawad> I have bad super bad day
[15:20] <octoquad> sorry to hear that. I hope its nothing to serious though
[15:20] <amjjawad> that's why I couldn't mark the images as ready :( and not sure who did, either you or Tim
[15:20] <amjjawad> well, it is super serious
[15:21] <amjjawad> out of 10 projects I'm involved with, I quit 5 so far
[15:21] <amjjawad> and 3 of these 5 are mine. I founded them
[15:21] <octoquad> probably Tim. I wasn't able to test last night, I felt a bit burnt out and rested.
[15:21] <amjjawad> I hope I don't have to quit the rest
[15:21] <amjjawad> no worries, all fine with A2 and I sent the email and posted on the media channels
[15:21] <octoquad> :(
[15:22] <amjjawad> I couldn't sleep
[15:22] <amjjawad> I have pain in my chest and my hands are shaking
[15:22] <amjjawad> I can't believe I had to step down from projects I founded :(
[15:23] <octoquad> personal reasons amjjawad?
[15:24] <amjjawad> real life, yes
[15:24] <octoquad> it happens, although, you can always assist as much as you can when things get better. It's not permanent, it's temporary and I'm sure the relevant teams understand
[15:26] <amjjawad> I hope so
[15:26] <amjjawad> I don't want to leave UG :(
[15:28] <octoquad> I hope you don't have to either!
[15:31] <amjjawad> I really hope so
[15:31] <octoquad> although I don't really know the situation, try to avoid making hasty decisions, especially at this time. Try to get some decent rest if you can and see if you work out a solution to your problem (if possible). If you need to chat, drop me an e-mail or talk to me in private.
[15:42] <wolter> Hello, I am using Ubuntu GNOME 14.10 with nvidia binary drivers 331.113, and I have no shadows on modal dialogues and no transparency in the gnome terminal, could somebody help me fix this?
[18:53] <sweety> should fix the blog post for alpha 2 to read vivid vervet and not vivid verveRt
[20:08] <darkxst> ricotz, hi, do we really want to bump mutter soname now? we have bumped it with spidermonkey updates the last few times?
[20:29] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, we need to bump it every series since it breaks api/abi big time!
[20:30] <ricotz> darkxst, did you look into libinput transition?
[20:33] <darkxst> ricotz, yes ok
[20:33] <darkxst> ricotz, looking into that now
[20:34] <ricotz> ok :)
[20:54] <darkxst> ricotz, symbols generation seems weird?
[20:54] <darkxst> +#MISSING: 0.8.0# libinput_device_set_user_data@Base 0.1.0
[20:54] <darkxst> +<EMAIL_ADDRESS>0.8.0
[21:16] <ricotz> darkxst, I havent looked at it yet
[21:17] <darkxst> ricotz, have you ever seen that before? ie replace @Base -> @LIB_VERSION
[21:28] <ricotz> darkxst, no, at least I dont remember
[21:29] <ricotz> did you update the header of symbols file properly
[21:30] <darkxst> ricotz, yes, it seems to be encoded in the libraries though
[21:31] <darkxst> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/3HG9swfK
[21:33] <darkxst> maybe it is correct, see commit dd624f50389d8ff63df8297bac9c1d3984d43fb4
[21:42] <ricotz> darkxst, full link please
[21:43] <darkxst> ricotz, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/wayland/libinput/commit/?id=dd624f50389d8ff63df8297bac9c1d3984d43fb4
[21:44] <ricotz> probably correct then


[09:54] <elacheche> Hello from SFD Tunisia
[10:03] <ichihi> elacheche, Hi Anis. Good luck with the event, wish you a good day.
[11:14] <elacheche> Thanks ichihi
[19:53] <hbibz> hey
[20:01] <elacheche> Hey hbibz :)
[20:01] <elacheche> Welcome to #ubuntu-tn
[20:02] <hbibz> thank you
[20:02] <hbibz> shall i introduce myself or you already know me ?
[20:03] <elacheche> I think I do knew who you are :) If you like to introduce yourself it'll be good, so other folks can know you :)
[20:03] <hbibz> I should I guess
[20:04] <hbibz> This is Muhammad Habib Jawady , a 17 yo tech enthusiast and blogger
[20:04] <hbibz> from ariana
[20:04] <hbibz> so where did we stop today
[20:04] <hbibz> ?
[20:07] <elacheche> Google code-in check that.. I need to go to sleep, extreamly tired, we'll talk tomorrow? I'm always her ;)
[20:07] <elacheche> You can PM me too
[20:08]  * elacheche going to sleep, GN folks.. Was a good SFD..
[20:11] <hbibz> gn
[20:11] <hbibz> it was ... thanks for your time


[10:12] <chrisccoulson> I keep hitting timeouts when trying to change the status of bug 1642318
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> eg, OOPS-b934e904c973aef61ebf56fe65fbb54e
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> NM, it's working now


[05:08] <nexuslite> I'm having a couple problems with ubuntu 11.04
[05:14] <nexuslite> hmm no response here and launchpad seems to have an internal server error oh well.
[06:14] <dlbike76>  Hi can anyone help me identify the package for an Ayatana-Design bug?
[06:15] <dlbike76> ^ bug 779144
[06:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 779144 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "menu bar is incorrectly aligned (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/779144
[07:05] <Krtek|Busy> hello
[13:31] <jtaylor> hi concerning bug 607395
[13:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 607395 in matplotlib (Ubuntu) "Please merge matplotlib 1.0.1-1 (universe) from debian experimental main (affects: 8) (heat: 44)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607395
[13:31] <jtaylor> debian has uploaded matplotlib to unstable, all ubuntu deltas ahve been applied
[13:32] <jtaylor> so it can now be synced, should I retitle that bug or close it and open a new one?
[18:16] <duncan-nz> Hi there. Need help finding the cause of a bug. If you're running unity-2d please take a look at bug #775640 thanks
[18:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 775640 in unity-2d (Ubuntu) "[dash] Could not display "file.odt". The location is not a folder. (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775640
[18:46] <JoshuaL> what is the correct package to fill a bug against when a synaptic touchpad is not recognized?
[18:48] <arand> JoshuaL: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics might be one.
[18:48] <JoshuaL> arand, thanks
[18:52] <JoshuaL> arand, a tried changing the affecting project of an bug to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics but it says the project was not found
[18:53] <arand> It's probably built from a larger source package.
[18:54] <JoshuaL> there is Ubuntu >> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[18:55] <yofel> JoshuaL: "Project" or "Package in ubuntu" ?
[18:55] <JoshuaL> package in ubuntu sorry
[18:56] <yofel> odd then
[18:58] <JoshuaL> ah I was doing it wrong, sorry need to learn a lot :)
[19:00] <virusuy> later i'll start to read about bug squad :-D
[19:13] <Tetsuo55> Should i open a bug report for this? (it also happens for the battery), and if so with which command should i invoke the bug reporting process? ACPI: Deprecated procfs I/F for AC is loaded, please retry with CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER cleared
[19:32] <Ampelbein> Tetsuo55: 'ubuntu-bug linux' can be used to report bugs against the kernel
[19:33] <Tetsuo55> ok :)
[19:37] <JoshuaL> I have a bug regarding the position of applications when a second monitor is detached
[19:39] <JoshuaL> oops, have to ask my question too, to what package should i report this bug?>
[19:52] <pitwalker> dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure):
[19:53] <yofel> pitwalker: and the next line is?
[20:02] <duncan-nz> JoshuaL, I think that depends on what graphics driver you're using. But I'm not sure, see if you can find similar bugs and see what packages they are reported for.
[20:03] <JoshuaL> nouveau
[20:03] <JoshuaL> duncan-nz, i will check if there is a bug simular to it for that package
[20:04] <duncan-nz> looks like this might be the package: nouveau-firmware
[20:10] <JoshuaL> duncan-nz, thanks for the help :)
[20:25] <pitwalker> :-(
[20:25] <pitwalker> dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure):
[20:25] <pitwalker>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[20:25] <pitwalker> Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:25] <pitwalker>  openssh-server
[20:25] <pitwalker> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:34] <Xornot> I've been having errors with dpkg also
[20:37] <pitwalker> /var/log/dpkg.log not enough verbose
[20:38] <pitwalker> 2011-05-08 21:25:00 startup packages configure
[20:38] <pitwalker> 2011-05-08 21:25:00 configure openssh-server 1:5.8p1-1ubuntu3 <none>
[20:38] <pitwalker> 2011-05-08 21:25:00 status half-configured openssh-server 1:5.8p1-1ubuntu3
[20:49] <yofel> pitwalker: can you edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst, replace '/bin/sh -e' with '/bin/sh -ex' at the top and run dpkg --configure -a? That'll make the script very verbose
[20:50] <yofel> Xornot: the same one?
[20:51] <pitwalker> yofel: thanks I try
[20:51] <yofel> once you have the output pastebin it
[20:51] <yofel> !paste
[20:51] <ubot4> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[20:56] <pitwalker> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/604934/
[20:58] <pitwalker> dpkg's virtualbox warning is not problem
[20:58] <yofel> pitwalker: what does 'ls -la /etc/ssh/sshd_config' say?
[20:59] <pitwalker> pitwalker: not exist
[20:59] <pitwalker> yofel:
[20:59] <pitwalker> yofel: we can chat in private
[20:59] <yofel> k, if you want
[20:59] <pitwalker> yofel: ssh is completely removed because an upstart problem
[21:00] <yofel> why is it trying to install it then for you?