[12:05] <kisain> hey D3 yu there yes man?
[12:08] <transgress> kisain: did you write up that wiki?
[12:13] <kisain> naw it diden't work just yet
[12:13] <kisain> although raid one is functioning there are still some problems that i can't figure out
[12:14] <kisain> and it's got me all fuddled lol
[12:14] <kisain> but the install went easy enough once i figured it out
[12:14] <[A] ndy80> please anyone knows how can  change font for aMule?  Hasn't anyone else had this problem?
[12:19] <kisain> and hey if i post the errors to you can you help me deciper them?
[12:19] <kisain> not post in room but pm
[12:20] <transgress> _pvh: did you run apt-get update?  then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:21] <_pvh> transgress: Yes -- that's why I'm a bit perplexed. I didn't get any errors on the update and kopete doesn't show as upgradable.
[12:22] <kisain> so transgress can i post them to you in pm?
[12:22] <kisain> maybe you can point me in the right direction?
[12:22] <transgress> _pvh: should've been in one of the stock repos... i got it no problem... you still having the msn problem or what?
[12:22] <transgress> you can post them to me kisain, but i can't assure you that i will be able to help
[12:22] <_pvh> transgress: Yeah, just so. Would you mind checking what repo your version of Kopete came from?
[12:22] <kisain> i can probibly fix them if i knew what they where lol
[12:23] <kisain> thank you
[12:23] <_pvh> transgress: If they're from a different repo, then I'll post on the forum. Otherwise, maybe I need to blow a cache somewhere.
[12:23] <_pvh> s/they're/it's/
[12:24] <transgress> _pvh: showing hoary-updates as the repo
[12:25] <_pvh> transgress: Okay, it must be an apt-get problem. My sources must not be updating properly when I apt-get update, even though kubuntu.org is reporting a hit.
[12:26] <Pupeno> How do you enable udp ports on firestarter ?
[12:35] <_pvh> transgress: The Kopete update seems to be pulled from hoary-updates. Does anyone know why that might be?
[12:35] <transgress> because it was an update for hoary?
[12:35] <transgress> oh
[12:35] <transgress> you mean removed from hoary-updates...
[12:36] <_pvh> transgress: I looked into the /var/apt/lists file for hoary-updates that I just pulled down -- kaffeine is in there, but not kopete.
[12:38] <transgress> _pvh: interesting... maybe it broke shit.  i barely run it, but when i did, it didn't seem to crash anymore than usual
[12:38] <Firetech> can somebody tell me the default desktop background color of kubuntu?
[12:38] <transgress> umm blue?
[12:38] <Firetech> in Hex.
[12:39] <Firetech> what kind of blue.
[12:39] <Firetech> I know it's blue, but I accidentally changed it...
[12:39] <_pvh> transgress: Ah, that's a possibility I hadn't considered.
[12:39] <_pvh> transgress: I wonder who makes those decisions and where they would be logged...
[12:40] <transgress> _pvh: didn't you know?  once installing kubuntu we become part of a collective consciousness and we all make the decision.  as one.  without even knowing it.
[12:41] <_pvh> transgress: WOW.
[12:41] <_pvh> transgress: That is both beautiful and terrifying.
[12:43] <Riddell> grep Color1 /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdesktoprc
[12:43] <Riddell> Color1=0,48,130
[12:44] <Riddell> which is made to blend perfectly in with the background
[12:44] <_pvh> transgress: Aha. In https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10993 there is a link to the right repo.
[12:45] <Riddell> _pvh: which hoary-updates are you looking at, there's one on archive.ubuntu.com and one on kubuntu.org
[12:47] <_pvh> Riddell: kubuntu.org
[12:48] <Riddell> _pvh: kubuntu.org hoary-updates is just for stuff that hasn't made it into archive.ubuntu.com, kopete did make it into archive.ubuntu.com
[12:48] <_pvh> Riddell: oh!
[12:48] <_pvh> Riddell: The main thread on the issue at ubuntuforums.org could use a clarifying post.
[12:49] <transgress> Riddell: what's the kubuntu.org repo?  i don't have that one and i think i might like to
[12:49] <_pvh> Riddell: I can make an attempt at one, though I can't really claim to fully understand the issues.
[12:49] <Riddell> transgress: see /topic
[12:49] <Riddell> _pvh: URL?
[12:50] <transgress> Riddell: you think i can read? ;)  thanks
[12:50] <_pvh> Riddell: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35776
[12:50] <transgress> hey is the kubuntu repo all stable and whatnot and not prone to breaking?
[12:52] <Riddell> transgress: it's fixes for things that are broken in hory
[12:52] <Riddell> hoary
[12:52] <Riddell> so can't make it any worse :)
[12:52] <transgress> Riddell: cool
[12:52] <transgress> Riddell: there a gpg key for it so it doesn't toss me the authentication error?
[12:53] <Riddell> transgress: I'm afraid not, I havn't looked up how to do that
[12:53] <_pvh> Riddell: Okay, it's all sorted now I think. Thanks for the advice.
[12:53] <transgress> Riddell: oh well.
[12:54] <Riddell> _pvh: not sure what I can add to that thread, it does alreay point to the new version in hoary-updates
[12:55] <transgress> i wish i could figure out how to install themes... i'm not even sure which themes i'm supposed to use...
[12:55] <_pvh> Riddell: It doesn't actually say where you can find hoary-updates anywhere in the thread.
[12:55] <_pvh> Riddell: I think I can handle adding that though.
[12:55] <Riddell> hmm, I have to log in
[12:55] <Riddell> these forum things are confusing
[12:56] <_pvh> Riddell: yeah, tell me about it.
[12:57] <_pvh> Riddell: in fact, I think the advice to make sure hoary-updates "main restricted universe" is plain wrong -- it seems from here like only main actually works.
[12:58] <Riddell> main and restriced
[12:59] <Riddell> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-updates/ should have the lot
[12:59] <Riddell> so they should all work
[01:02] <kisain> anyone know how to uninstall kubuntu desktop (it's causing isshues with software raid 1
[01:03] <kisain> i installed it using apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:03] <Riddell> kisain: what are the issues?
[01:03] <Riddell> it shouldn't affect raid at all
[01:03] <kisain> well i'm having trouble accesing drives in it for one
[01:04] <kisain> i poseted a request on the forums would you like the link?
[01:04] <Riddell> can do
[01:04] <kisain> it does i can't get into any hds
[01:04] <kisain> it says there not mounted
[01:05] <kisain> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36286
[01:05] <kisain> thats my thread i started
[01:05] <kisain> it pritty much explanes everything i can think of
[01:06] <kisain> i wish i was smarter than linux at this time lol
[01:07] <kisain> it's funny becuase i can open up everything in ubuntu but nothing in kubuntu
[01:08] <transgress> kisain: gvm is handy about getting strange things to mount...
[01:08] <kisain> gvm?
[01:09] <kisain> i tell ya it's got my hair fallin out from stress lol
[01:09] <kisain> and whats gvm transgress?
[01:09] <transgress> kisain: gnome volume manager i believe... it's part of gnome 2.10 that works magic
[01:10] <_ali> goodbye everybody
[01:10] <kisain> oh
[01:10] <kisain> thats why ubuntu works eh?
[01:10] <_ali> I don't know what time it is in your country, but it is night in mine, so good night :)
[01:10] <kisain> night
[01:11] <kisain> any idea riddlell?
[01:12] <kisain> riddell even
[01:12] <Riddell> kisain: I'm not sure what the problem is
[01:12] <kisain> same here
[01:12] <kisain> i know theres no swap partition though
[01:12] <Riddell> kisain: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop won't have changes fstab or any default mounts
[01:12] <kisain> i forgot to make one lol
[01:13] <Riddell> then you'll need to format the disk to make one, unless it has spare space
[01:13] <kisain> than why can't i access any of the drives in kubuntu?
[01:13] <kisain> what really
[01:13] <Riddell> kisain: how are you trying to access them?
[01:14] <kisain> damnit all this hard work down the tubes lol
[01:14] <kisain> in the kubuntu er i forget what it's called
[01:14] <kisain> the icon next to k-star
[01:14] <kisain> start even
[01:14] <Riddell> system menu
[01:15] <kisain> i think so
[01:15] <kisain> yes
[01:15] <kisain> it shoes 2 hard drives when ubuntu only showes one (the md0 )
[01:16] <kisain> shows even arggh typos
[01:16] <kisain> it has me completely stumped
[01:16] <kisain> if i take any more asprin i'm gonna bleed ta death i tell ya lol
[01:17] <kisain> i think somehow with software raid 1 i am missing a step someware
[01:17] <kisain> but not shure where
[01:17] <kisain> i don't wanna have to reformat and all that stuff
[01:18] <kisain> there has to be a way to put a swap partition in and fix the isshue of raid not working right
[01:18] <transgress> okay check dmesg from kubuntu... for some reason your raid device isn't moutning
[01:18] <transgress> kisain: you didn't make a swap?
[01:18] <kisain> oh ok how do i do that
[01:18] <transgress> type dmesg
[01:18] <kisain> no i had to make a swap "file" as an after thought
[01:19] <kisain> WOAH!
[01:19] <transgress> kisain: so you do have a swap partition?
[01:19] <kisain> you want me to past all the crap it just spit out?
[01:19] <kisain> no i don't
[01:20] <kisain> i created a file
[01:20] <kisain> not a partition
[01:21] <kisain> riddell you want me to paste the output to you in pm?
[01:22] <kisain> theres alot of stuff in there
[01:25] <kisain> and oh yea thats the output from the ubuntu side
[01:25] <kisain> cause i'm in ubuntu right now lol
[01:26] <kisain> kubuntu was givin me to much trouble at this time
[01:27] <transgress> kisain: didn't you have an extra 10 gigs you aren't using due to the different drive sizes?
[01:27] <kisain> yes
[01:27] <kisain> but with raid i was told you need partitions the same size
[01:27] <transgress> why don't you cut it up and make a partition for swap?
[01:27] <transgress> and you do
[01:27] <kisain> because the 10gb is not even partitiond
[01:28] <Pupeno> Is there any of those games in which you participate in a story-line-less community, interacting with other playes, buying things, selling ,fighting, etc ?
[01:28] <kisain> thats why the raid 1 is kinda working lol
[01:28] <transgress> kisain: that's why you cut it up and make some swap space and an extra partition for whatever you want
[01:28] <kisain> oh i see
[01:28] <transgress> i'm assuming you can do that... i mean it is still free space
[01:28] <kisain> but will it mess up my raid any more than it is now?
[01:29] <kisain> because the impression i was under was that if one hd fails the other will take over
[01:29] <kisain> thats why i picked raid 1
[01:30] <kisain> but if using that other 10gb screws things up than i'd like to find a solution using the exisiting partitions
[01:35] <kisain> riddell you there?
[01:46] <dewey> say does breezy have kde 3.4 in it already?
[01:46] <dewey> or can I install it?
[01:50] <Pupeno> Can anybody help me with guarddog/guidedog or firestarter?
[01:51] <Pupeno> dewey: hoary has kde 3.4
[01:53] <dewey> Pupeno: and breezy does not?
[01:53] <Pupeno> dewey: I'd infeer that breezy has 3.4 too.
[01:53] <dewey> ok kewl
[01:54] <Pupeno> and possible, better.
[01:55] <Pupeno> is there a program like firestart/guardog/guidedog that allows to open UDP ports and works ?
[01:59] <transgress> seeing people talk about breezy like that scares me
[02:00] <kisain>  riddell you there?
[02:01] <kisain> why?
[02:01] <kisain> i;m still trying to find an answer to my problem lol
[02:01] <kisain> i'm still trying to uninstall kubuntu for the time being though lol
[02:02] <kisain> just to avoid further problems
[02:03] <Pupeno> kisain: uninstrall <distro-name> does not make a lot of sense.
[02:04] <dewey> kisain: what problem?
[02:04] <kisain> kubuntu won't mount my software raid 1 because theres something wrong with it
[02:05] <kisain> i posted the problem here :
[02:05] <kisain> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36286
[02:06] <kisain> and i have absolutely know idea what to do lol
[02:06] <kisain> how to fix this problem or even what it might be
[02:06] <kisain> i just know that theres something wrong
[02:07] <kisain> expacaly when the word error appears in a text
[02:07] <kisain> thanx dewey
[02:07] <kisain> :(
[02:13] <dewey> ok I am back so much for breezy!
[02:14] <transgress> haha good idea
[02:14] <dewey> The installer wants me to use  all the HD for breezy so it would wipe out my other linux installs?
[02:14] <KaiL> dewey: yes - so use manually
[02:15] <dewey> KaiL: I was using that and the installer help said it would not see any other partitoions on the HD?
[02:15] <dewey> partitions.
[02:17] <KaiL> huh?
[02:17] <dewey> on my ibook during install all partitions showed during the manula partitioning.
[02:18] <dewey> KaiL: during the install all it shows is the two HD's I have on this computer no partitons I have made already.
[02:18] <KaiL> hmm, strange
[02:18] <KaiL> and no idea, what's going on there
[03:16] <moj0rising> does anyone here know of a good place to get exponent information?
[03:16] <moj0rising> I am stuck on a couple things and can't find what I need anywhere.
[03:17] <transgress> wow the first season of the original Dr. Who had 42 episodes... they apparently knew how to do a season back in the day
[03:25] <Pupeno> moj0rising: exponent information ? what's that ?
[04:14] <crimsun> cool, new amarok version
[04:28] <frank_> can anyone help me with artsd (kubuntu64). It crashes all the time
[04:50] <Ghetek> my audio isnt working again
[04:52] <frank_> Ghetek, my artsd crashes all the time. do you have the same problem?
[04:53] <Ghetek> i dunno
[04:53] <Ghetek> every now and then i startup and get a null audio device
[04:53] <n17r0> hi anyone has a link for the KDE-libs fix ?
[04:53] <Ghetek> and i can see my card on the lspic menu
[04:54] <frank_> Ghetek, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't?
[04:54] <Ghetek> yeah
[04:54] <frank_> i don't know what to do
[04:55] <Ghetek> damn
[05:31] <kane> anyone home
[05:44] <Ghetek> im home
[05:46] <Ghetek> im gettina a null audio device and i can see my card in the lspci printout
[05:47] <transgress> what card is it?
[05:48] <Ghetek> sb live
[05:48] <Ghetek> 0000:02:0a.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 7000 (rev 07)v
[05:49] <Ghetek> it was working yesterday...
[05:49] <Ghetek> well it shows two devices
[05:49] <Ghetek> 0000:02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0000 (rev 07)
[05:49] <Ghetek> 0000:02:0a.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 7000 (rev 07)
[05:50] <Diablo-D3> heh
[05:50] <Diablo-D3> I wonder what you broke
[05:51] <Ghetek> psh... no idea
[05:51] <Diablo-D3> do any kernel upgrading lately?
[05:51] <Ghetek> nope
[05:51] <Ghetek> http://pastebin.com/288231
[05:51] <Diablo-D3> did you upgrade any packages?
[05:52] <Ghetek> let me check
[05:52] <Ghetek> last night i played a dvd
[05:52] <Ghetek> and it was choppy so i did this
[05:52] <Ghetek> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[05:52] <Ghetek> and it worked even better
[05:52] <Diablo-D3> well that wouldnt have done it
[05:52] <Ghetek> then i turned off my computer
[05:52] <Ghetek> and i started it this morning
[05:53] <Ghetek> and no audio
[05:53] <Ghetek> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[05:53] <Diablo-D3> it failed because theres no driver loaded.
[05:54] <Diablo-D3> try rebooting
[05:54] <Ghetek> k
[05:54] <Ghetek> brb
[05:57] <myghetek> nope
[05:57] <myghetek> same error
[05:57] <Diablo-D3> well Ive ran out of ideas
[05:57] <myghetek> damn
[05:58] <myghetek> thanks anyway man
[06:22] <JohninMT> I have a question about adding a backport repository... I am trying to get the kipi plugins for digikam,,,  I found a post in a forum with http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary/Pkgs.php to get it ...but how do I add it to the list
[06:43] <Liz4rd> bleh
[06:47] <Liz4rd> wtf... you all are so boring
[06:47] <Liz4rd> usually i need someone to talk to, to get the channel going
[06:48] <crimsun> lots of other channels...
[06:49] <Liz4rd> no dammit i like this one
[06:49] <Liz4rd> :P
[06:51] <Jeezis> ah yes, channel loyalty at its best
[06:51] <Ghetek> how do i kill synaptic? the program locked up
[06:51] <Ghetek> and i just want to kill it
[06:51] <Liz4rd> *pants* :P *pants*
[06:53] <transgress> you got off of jabber...
[06:53] <transgress> ?
[06:55] <Jeezis> irc is cooler, who needs jabber? ;P
[06:55] <transgress> jabber is nice... although yes irc is cooler
[06:55] <Ghetek> im on gaim :(
[06:55] <transgress> although you can't not accept people on irc
[06:56] <transgress> gaim supports jabber
[06:56] <Ghetek> oooh
[06:56] <Ghetek> i wish i knew what jaoober is
[06:56] <Ghetek> *jabber
[06:56] <Ghetek> so... killing synaptic?
[06:58] <transgress> jabber is an open source IM network
[06:58] <Ghetek> all my friends are windows people and on aim
[06:59] <Ghetek> brb
[07:01] <Ghetek> wahoo!
[07:01] <Ghetek> ctrl alt bckspce
[07:30] <Pupeno> poor friends.
[07:30] <Pupeno> Real friends don't let friends run windows.
[07:33] <steffenstrobel> hi everybody, i have seen there are now a lot of kde updates, is it now safe to update (kdelibs!)?
[07:33] <transgress> umm it's been safe to update kdelibs as far as i know
[07:33] <transgress> i've updated it twice since i installed kubuntu i believe
[07:33] <NothingButYou> do not do that now
[07:34] <NothingButYou> yesterday I've messed up my kubuntu when dist-upgrading
[07:34] <transgress> eh?
[07:34] <NothingButYou> there's a problem with the dependencies so far as I've seen
[07:34] <transgress> how did you mess it up with dist-upgrade?  i dist-upgrade every few days
[07:34] <transgress> you've seen wrong
[07:34] <transgress> unless you're running breezy
[07:34] <NothingButYou> well.. I was with a hoary
[07:34] <NothingButYou> a clean installation
[07:35] <transgress> there is a bug that is easily fixed with conflicts between kdelibs and knetwork
[07:35] <NothingButYou> and dist-upgraded to breezy
[07:35] <transgress> ./topic
[07:35] <transgress> well no shit that'll break your system
[07:35] <NothingButYou> and ended up with no konqueror and kdebase
[07:35] <transgress> kubuntu breezy is about as stable as charles manson on crack
[07:35] <steffenstrobel> yes, but now kdenetwork is among the list of packages that need updating!
[07:36] <transgress> ./topic
[07:37] <NothingButYou> do you mean: the deb source or "breezy broken for g++ and dbus fun"
[07:37] <NothingButYou> :)
[07:37] <steffenstrobel> and the kdelibs depency problems where about kdenetwork and now it seems that there is a new version of kdenetwork
[07:39] <steffenstrobel> and the srcipt to repair the damage caused by kdelibs is also not anymore in the topic of this channel :)
[07:41] <steffenstrobel> so is it now fixed or not?
[07:42] <NothingButYou> I'll check it out now :P
[07:42] <NothingButYou> damn 15 kb/s...
[07:43] <steffenstrobel> :)
[07:44] <NothingButYou> I want a bulgarian mirrorrrrrrrrrrrrr...
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> how do i set the default suspend-to partition (/dev/hda3 - my swap) in swsusp thats in kernel ? NOT swsusp2...
[07:45] <billytwowilly> How big is the ubuntu repository?
[07:45] <NothingButYou> hey I've got a question! :) Is any of the ubuntu repositories taken from the debian repositories so I can use a debian repository instead (contrib non-free?)
[07:46] <billytwowilly> NothingButYou: it is, but you can't use a debian repository. The packages aren't the same
[07:47] <NothingButYou> bad.. :) I thought that the universe is the same as the contrib :\
[07:47] <NothingButYou> thanks billytwowilly
[07:48] <billytwowilly> NothingButYou: no prob.
[07:48] <NothingButYou> steffenstrobel: my Kubuntu is Hoary at the moment and the only updates shown are kdenetwork, no kdelibs ... :\
[07:49] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: i updatet every other packages but not the 3 kdelibs packages. and today when i did my apt-get update i noticed that there are now 15 new updates avaible
[07:50] <steffenstrobel> among them are 3 kdenetwork packages
[07:50] <NothingButYou> yes
[07:50] <steffenstrobel> and these packages had a conflict with kdelibs
[07:51] <billytwowilly> steffenstrobel: uninstall kdenetwork. Then install the kdelibs
[07:51] <billytwowilly> steffenstrobel: then reinstall kdenetwork. it's  a PITA, but it works.
[07:52] <steffenstrobel> yes, but now kdenetwork is among the list of packages that need updating
[07:52] <steffenstrobel> and before it wasn't there
[07:52] <NothingButYou> well now it is there :)
[07:52] <NothingButYou> remove it :)
[07:52] <steffenstrobel> yes, but the question is: are the problems still there!?
[07:52] <billytwowilly> steffenstrobel: that could be normal. Maybe there was a security update?
[07:53] <billytwowilly> steffenstrobel: what problems?
[07:53] <steffenstrobel> i think (or i hope) they updatet it in order to solve the depency problems
[07:53] <NothingButYou> no, just the old kdenetwork will not work with the new kdelibs maybe :)
[07:53] <NothingButYou> and the new will :) I hope
[07:53] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: you got it :)
[07:53] <billytwowilly> steffenstrobel: it's semi fixed. If you do what I mentioned above that will get you past the rough patch and into fixed territory;)
 steffenstrobel: uninstall kdenetwork. Then install the kdelibs
 steffenstrobel: then reinstall kdenetwork. it's a PITA, but it works.
[07:54] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: you are simply updating, or not?
[07:55] <steffenstrobel> billytwowilly: but wasn't that the way to solve these problems BEFORE the new kdenetwork update?
[07:55] <NothingButYou> well I've just added the kubuntu.org repository and the update process works fine with the simple update
[07:55] <billytwowilly> steffenstrobel: I did that and it fixed it. The old way is to delete one file whose name escapes  me..
[07:56] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: how many packages did you update now?
[07:57] <transgress> hey does anyone know why digikam has a problem hotplugging after about 30 times of unplugging and plugging back in?  it takes a reboot to fix it pretty much...
[07:57] <NothingButYou> right now I'm downloading about 10-15
[07:57] <NothingButYou> among them kdenet and kdelibs
[07:57] <transgress> and i figure... i fucking hate to reboot... and this is linux... so there must be a better way
[07:58] <NothingButYou> there is a way to stop the hotplug system ? :)
[07:58] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: did you do are reboot? when i updatet (a few weeks before) the kdelibs package i need to reboot in order to see that it's now broken :)
[07:58] <NothingButYou> I mean restart it maybe :)
[07:59] <billytwowilly> NothingButYou: /etc/init.d/hotplug stop
[07:59] <billytwowilly> or restart instead of stop
[07:59] <NothingButYou> isn't that the solution of transgress 's problem ? :)
[07:59] <NothingButYou> yes :)
[07:59] <NothingButYou> steffenstrobel: I'll tell you in ... mmm
[07:59] <billytwowilly> I don't know. I haven't been following..  I suppose that a Ctl Alt + Backspace will do the same :)
[08:10] <NothingButYou> no need of reboot :} (right?:)
[08:11] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: i think this should also work
[08:11] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: kde eeds to be restarted
[08:11] <steffenstrobel> needs
[08:11] <NothingButYou> yepp
[08:12] <NothingButYou> brb for 21 %...
[08:12] <steffenstrobel> ?
[08:18] <NothingButYou> be right back :) I'm back...
[08:18] <NothingButYou> and Kynaptic is frozen as usual..
[08:18] <NothingButYou> ah ti ended..now lets logout...
[08:19] <NothingButYou> up and workin..
[08:19] <steffenstrobel> there you are
[08:20] <steffenstrobel> what did you mean by kynaptic is frozen?
[08:20] <NothingButYou> a .. :) the time it takes to apply the changes :)
[08:20] <steffenstrobel> ok
[08:20] <NothingButYou> it went fine :)
[08:20] <steffenstrobel> i see
[08:20] <NothingButYou> kopete works... :)
[08:21] <NothingButYou> good luck
[08:21] <steffenstrobel> i think i will do it on the commandline to see what sgoing on
[08:21] <NothingButYou> just the upgrade :) not dist-upgrade
[08:21] <NothingButYou> I don't think it's necessary
[08:22] <steffenstrobel> i thought of doing update and that dist-upgrade
[08:22] <NothingButYou> well update and upgrade will be fine
[08:22] <NothingButYou> for me at least :}
[08:22] <steffenstrobel> i always did that. i like "intelligent" things...
[08:23] <NothingButYou> let's see if kdenetworkconf works already..
[08:25] <Pupeno> damn, this is frustrating.
[08:26] <NothingButYou> as usual it is now working right...
[08:26] <steffenstrobel> i will now close all programs, open a terminal do update then dist-upgrade and then reboot, i will not delete kdenetwork before! i hope i will be back here soon!
[08:26] <kane> anyone know the trick to kppp , keeps droping connection
[08:26] <steffenstrobel> :)
[08:26] <NothingButYou> hm..
[08:27] <NothingButYou> kane are you sure the problem is in kppp or in the Phone line ? :)
[08:27] <Pupeno> Does anybody has a good explanation why a firewall/masquerader work perfectly well with firestarter while with guarddog/guidedog works well as long as I access the services thru telnet (telnet somewhere 25, telnet somewhere 110, etc) or dig, but all KDE applications fail to access internet (Konqueror, Kontact) ?
[08:27] <kane> NothingButYou:  i have pppconfig working atm
[08:28] <kane> kppp just drops it as it connects
[08:28] <NothingButYou> mm.. I'm not a specialist.. scuze me :) What's ATM ? :)
[08:29] <kane> at the momet
[08:30] <NothingButYou> aaa right :)
[08:30] <kane> i'm using pppd right now
[08:30] <kane> ppp0 i mean
[08:30] <Pupeno> no one has a clue about it ?
[08:30] <NothingButYou> Pupeno I've got no clue
[08:31] <NothingButYou> kane.. Tone dialing through a normal telephone?
[08:31] <kane> i did something before to get it to work but my memory is bad so i cant remember
[08:32] <kane> a modem actiontec
[08:33] <kane> serial modem
[08:33] <NothingButYou> is it dialing at all ?
[08:33] <kane> it dials shakes hands and then drops the connection
[08:34] <kane> yes
[08:34] <NothingButYou> hm.. strange.. the only problems of this type were because of the telephone company...
[08:36] <kane> na it works in all my distros but this one but i had it working before in this
[08:36] <NothingButYou> no idea.. Sorry :)
[08:39] <NothingButYou> have a nice day, the studying's waiting..
[08:42] <Pupeno> Does anybody know a firewall configurator that works (including UDP port opening), with a GUI (like guarddog/guidedog) ?
[08:45] <kane> firestarter
[08:45] <Pupeno> kane: how do you open an UDP port with firestarter ?
[08:46] <kane> dunno never used it for that
[08:48] <NothingButYou> kmyfirewall, but don't ask me how to use it :)
[08:49] <Pupeno> please, don't recomend me something if you don't know if it does what I need (re: firestarter).
[08:49] <transgress> okay as i watch the original episodes of dr who... it reminds me of Sliders...
[08:49] <transgress> except it has that sweet classic tv feel
[08:50] <kane> just google udp firewakk port forwarding
[08:51] <Pupeno> NothingButYou: it seems not to be packaged for kubuntu, right ?
[08:51] <Pupeno> kane: I don't want to do port forwarding.
[08:52] <Pupeno> kane: I want a fscking tool that is able to write iptable rules to enable UDP, ot let it pass.
[08:52] <transgress> Pupeno: why not just write the table yourself?
[08:53] <Pupeno> transgress: I like using out-of-the-box solutions (because the rest is hard to mantain) and debian/ubuntu seems not to ship a wrapper script for iptables-save and load.
[08:53] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: so back again BUT after doing update i did dist-upgrade then i noticed that there is still the depency problem, so i used dpkg to force the update of the kdelibs package, then i re run dist-upgrade (it set up the settings of the otehr packages) then i manualy createt the /etc/kderc file and edited it like in the old shell script that i luckily had and then rebootet and it seems that now everything is fine, well see..
[08:53] <kane> yeah better idea
[08:54] <transgress> Pupeno: it's called linux... that tends to happen... sometimes it helps to learn a little...
[08:54] <Pupeno> transgress: what ?
[08:55] <kane> or you could use windows and pay 50 bucks for such a proggy
[08:56] <transgress> could cron up the table...
[08:56] <Pupeno> kane: I don't use windows, I don't use propietary software, I haven't for years.
[08:56] <Pupeno> transgress: cron ? if I'm going to do this by hand I would never use cron, what would you use cron for ?
[08:57] <kane> to start the thing at boot
[08:57] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: are you still there, or is your pc burned away?
[08:58] <transgress> i said could
[08:58] <Pupeno> kane: do you often use cron to start things at boot ? it's not for that, it's for runing periodic tasks.
[08:58] <transgress> perhaps i'm forgetting something, but can't you set the period to be done at boot?
[08:59] <kane> and booting is periodic here
[08:59] <transgress> anyways... ima watch this episode of doc who
[08:59] <transgress> gonna go lay down
[08:59] <transgress> gonna try to finish up the second hitchhikers guide
[08:59] <Pupeno> kane: booting periodic ? weird.
[08:59] <transgress> bye
[08:59] <kane> ofcourse you can init
[08:59] <Pupeno> transgress: an rc.d script would make much more sense.
[09:00] <transgress> i used to cron up ntpdate or whatever the command is...
[09:00] <transgress> anyways
[09:00] <transgress> buh bye
[09:00] <transgress> show
[09:00] <Pupeno> kane: why do you boot periodically ?
[09:01] <kane> restore things
[09:10] <NothingButYou> steffenstrobel: I'm sorry, i was studying.. Well.. there was no problem when I do a simple upgrade.. but mine was a clean ubuntu with no updates installed
[09:11] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: i'm so happy that i did everything in the commandline, optherwise i would not have noticed that the problem still exists
[09:12] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: but as i know what i know have to to, i fixed everything BEFORE the reboot ;-)
[09:12] <steffenstrobel> now
[09:14] <NothingButYou> that's the thing with linux - in windows you can not even help yourself alone...you should wait for MS..
[09:14] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: oh yes, i HATE Micro$oft!
[09:15] <NothingButYou> well I cannot say I hate them.. I just avoid using their products where possible :)))
[09:15] <NothingButYou> and when possible :)
[09:16] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: i think we both mean the same
[09:16] <steffenstrobel> :)
[09:16] <NothingButYou> :) I'm very proud that in the company where my dad's working, I managed to get them to use Linux... well SuSE but they need something to start with :)
[09:17] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: i also try to get people installing linux wherever possible :)
[09:18] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: whats in your /etc/kderc file?
[09:18] <NothingButYou> the bad thing is when it comes to the question "what about AutoCAD? is it working?"
[09:18] <NothingButYou> mmm... I honestly don't know :) now I'll see
[09:18] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: i'm asking because i had to manually create it before reboot
[09:23] <NothingButYou> steffenstrobel: does it help ? :)
[09:23] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: yes, thanks for your effort, i had manually created exactly the same file
[09:24] <steffenstrobel> NothingButYou: just wanted to know if it's the kubuntu default like i recreated it after the update
[09:24] <NothingButYou> ok :)
[09:29] <transgress> wow... he got kvirc working... wouldn't even start for me
[09:29] <transgress> __P__3: you using the kvirc in apt?
[09:30] <__P__3> no
[09:30] <transgress> i see
[09:30] <__P__3> :)
[09:30] <transgress> you build the package?
[09:30] <transgress> err source
[09:31] <_P_> no
[09:31] <_P_> i am using
[09:31] <_P_> the one from kvirc rep snapshot
[09:31] <transgress> hmm
[09:31] <transgress> did it cause any trouble when you installed it?
[09:31] <_P_> because i have half distro broken
[09:32] <transgress> oh
[09:32] <_P_> from kdelib and libqt
[09:32] <_P_> no trangs why?
[09:32] <_P_> which trouble?
[09:32] <transgress> like broken dependencies
[09:32] <_P_> uhmm
[09:32] <_P_> kve is not in ubuntu repo
[09:33] <transgress> kvirc is... it's just old
[09:33] <_P_> you have to  add debian experiemtnal repo
[09:33] <_P_> yes it is
[09:34] <bobi> Hi
[09:34] <bobi> have som eproblems with my live player 5.1
[09:34] <transgress> live player?
[09:35] <NothingButYou> Sund Blaster Live 5.1 ? :)
[09:35] <NothingButYou> *sound
[09:35] <bobi> yes
[09:36] <transgress> okay well bed time and time for hitchhikers guide... night peoples
[09:36] <bobi> in the start it worked fine but now it only the very anoyin sound
[09:37] <NothingButYou> transgress: sleep weell
[09:37] <NothingButYou> bobi no sound at all or distorted?
[09:37] <bobi> distorted
[09:37] <bobi> but it worked fine for 2 month
[09:37] <NothingButYou> try playing with the volumes
[09:38] <bobi> it sais that it can not conect to sound server
[09:38] <Pupeno> Was FLAC support dropped from KDE Audio CD ?
[09:42] <firasR> Hi all
[09:42] <firasR> Does anyone here use Kbear for their ftp client ?
[09:43] <bobi> H
[09:43] <bobi> Hi
[09:44] <firasR> Hi bobi
[09:44] <rommer> how would kubuntu work on  900mhz 128mb ram?
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes well
[09:46] <NothingButYou> it should work :)
[09:46] <bobi> try
[09:47] <NothingButYou> I've installed it on an 333 MHZ Celeron 64 mb :)
[09:47] <bobi> U can have kde and gnome on the same machine
[09:48] <NothingButYou> have a nice day all :)
[09:48] <firasR> NothingButYou, same to u !
[09:48] <firasR> bobi: is that a question or a statement ?
[09:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> statement
[09:50] <rommer> ok
[09:50] <rommer> would it run better than winxp pro would?
[09:51] <NothingButYou> at least for movie watching yes :))))))
[09:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> rommer. not srue
[09:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sure
[09:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> depends what your doing.
[09:53] <bobi> the statement
[09:54] <rommer> Kamping_Kaiser: im asking for a friend that will just be surfing the web, reading email, im'ing, word processing and some graphic and web design
[09:55] <bobi> depends on what kid of graphic design
[09:55] <bobi> kind
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> graphic design? if you want photoshop through crossover, slower
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> otherwise probably just as fast, btu a lot safer
[09:59] <rommer> ok thanks
[11:49] <Tm_T> hop
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[12:07] <Tm_T> haha
[12:07] <Tm_T> maybe I should fix that dns problem afterall :p
[12:22] <cattivik> Hey guys, if an application (say aMSN in this case) stops responding, and you 'Kill' the pid, what prevents it from closing in the gui / how do you close it?
[12:25] <Tm_T> =)
[12:26] <cattivik> ...
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should close the gui
[12:27] <thoreauputic> cattivik: try running xkill and zap it with your mouse
[12:27] <thoreauputic> cattivik: or ctrl-alt-escape
[12:28] <thoreauputic> in KDE
[12:28] <cattivik> Whoa.. thanks thoreauputic that was effective AND very cool!
[12:28] <cattivik> :D
[12:29] <thoreauputic> cattivik: :)
[12:30] <Riddell> kwin should be able to kill it for you by clicking the X
[12:30] <Tm_T> yup
[12:31] <cattivik> Riddell: the window wasnt responding at all. xkill murdered it though. system glitch maybe?
[12:32] <Tm_T> KILLKILLDIEDIE!
[12:32] <Tm_T> uhm, sorry?
[12:32] <Riddell> cattivik: kwin should still work though, the window decorations
[12:35] <Tm_T> hi riddell
[12:35] <Tm_T> anything news about pykde?
[12:35] <Tm_T> -s
[12:36] <Riddell> Tm_T: getting closer
[12:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: lovely :)
[12:38] <shogouki> great
[01:03] <Tm_T> smouche o/ o7
[01:04] <sirukin> DEATH TO SMOUCHE!
[01:04] <Tm_T> ...
[01:04] <smouche> hey Tm_T, how's it hangin'?
[01:04] <Tm_T> sirukin: that wasn't nice, shame on you
[01:04] <sirukin> hehe
[01:04] <Tm_T> smouche: oh, fine, you?
[01:04] <sirukin> sorry
[01:05] <smouche> ouch
[01:05] <smouche> wasn't that a movie?
[01:05] <Tm_T> ?
[01:05] <smouche> oh yeah, "Death to Smoochy" or something...
[01:05] <Tm_T> haha
[01:10] <sirukin> ;)
[01:19] <cattivik> Hey guys, how do I install uudecode? I've googled to no avail =/
[01:29] <thoreauputic> cattivik: $ apt-cache search uudecode
[01:30] <thoreauputic> sharutils - shar, unshar, uuencode, uudecode
[01:30] <thoreauputic> so install sharutils
[01:30] <Riddell> cattivik: apt-cache or packages.ubuntu.com are your friends
[01:31] <sirukin> http://www.bash.org/?509504
[01:31] <thoreauputic> two seconds as opposed to hours on google ;-)
[01:32] <Tm_T> haha
[01:32] <cattivik> thanks thoreauputic , Riddell
[01:32] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I install gentoo
[01:40] <HavoK> hi there
[01:40] <Tm_T> hullo
[01:40] <HavoK> breezy is getting funnier and funnier these days
[01:41] <Tm_T> no shit =)
[01:41] <HavoK> ..so I stopped to "apt-get dist-upgrade" it
[01:41] <HavoK> =)
[01:45] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:46] <sirukin> http://www.qdb.us/44549
[01:46] <sirukin> rofl
[01:46] <sirukin> :S
[01:47] <Tm_T> interesting topic, "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main" ?
[01:48] <Tm_T> ah, new updates
[01:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: thank you <3
[01:49] <thoreauputic> cattivik: are you using hoary or breezy?
[01:50] <cattivik> hoary
[01:50] <sirukin> :p
[01:50] <sirukin> can I close off my internal lan and only use tor for everything?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> cattivik: have you run apt-get -f install the way it said to?
[01:51] <sirukin> s/can/may
[01:51] <cattivik> thoreauputic: indeed, same result
[01:52] <thoreauputic> cattivik: well, it's odd: i don't know what the problem is
[01:52] <cattivik> thoreauputic: thanks anyway
[01:52] <thoreauputic> cattivik: unless you have installed third party apps and confused the system
[01:52] <cattivik> thoreauputic: any way to clean the system or shall i reformat and load the os again?
[01:53] <thoreauputic> cattivik: btw I rejected your dcc send because I'm on dialup and downloading a new kernel
[01:53] <Tm_T> ehm
[01:54] <cattivik> thoreauputic: fair enough
[01:54] <cattivik> lol
[01:56] <thoreauputic> cattivik: paste the output on pastebin.com and tell us the URL
[01:56] <thoreauputic> cattivik: it's fixable, I'm sure
[01:56] <shogouki> kudos seems interesting :)
[01:58] <cattivik> thoreauputic: http://pastebin.com/288335
[01:59] <thoreauputic> cattivik: OK looking - might take a while as my banwidth is all used and I'm lagging about 25 seconds :)
[02:01] <thoreauputic> cattivik: wow, what a mess
[02:01] <cattivik> thoreauputic: can you advise as to what may have caused it? :(
[02:01] <thoreauputic> cattivik: did you try to compile something esoteric/
[02:01] <cattivik> incompetence goes without saying
[02:01] <thoreauputic> cattivik: what's with all the dev libraries?
[02:01] <cattivik> thoreauputic: i've tried to install a few apps, downloading libraries as i went because it kept saying i was missing them :/
[02:02] <thoreauputic> cattivik: that's what's caused this
[02:03] <thoreauputic> cattivik: use the system ans use apt-get build-dep if you compile
[02:03] <thoreauputic> cattivik: read the apt howto at debian.org
[02:03] <thoreauputic> cattivik: in general, compiling is a last resort in debian based distros like Ubuntu
[02:04] <thoreauputic> cattivik: you have now got a whole bunch of libraries thet are incompatible with your installation
[02:05] <cattivik> gutted
[02:05] <thoreauputic> cattivik: most sources are available using apt
[02:39] <pd_> Best player to view video and other files vlc
[02:40] <thoreauputic> pd_: I prefer xine, YMMV
[02:41] <pd_> xines not bad, but on my system after so many trials and situation I found vlc to be the best
[02:41] <thoreauputic> vlc is nice, agreed - it probably depends on your setup and needs
[02:41] <thoreauputic> mplayer sucks on my system
[02:42] <pd_> all other players crashed at one instance or the other
[02:42] <thoreauputic> pd_: yeah, whatever works for you
[02:42] <thoreauputic> nice to have the choice, though
[02:42] <pd_> mplayer is best when compiled from source
[02:42] <pd_> thoreauputic, i agree totally on the choice part
[02:43] <thoreauputic> pd_: no doubt that's true, re mplayer, but I'm unimpressed with the way the mplayer devs present information
[02:44] <thoreauputic> their site is a nightmare IMO
[02:44] <pd_> thoreauputic, i did not go that deep in judging the player, just user level controls
[02:44] <pd_> Thier site is nightmare alright
[02:44] <pd_> :)
[02:45] <oelewappe> how do I set the display resolution in kubuntu ?
[02:46] <pd_> oelewappe, control center -> Peripherals -> Display
[02:48] <oelewappe> I can only lower the resolution there
[02:49] <oelewappe> it's on 1024x768 and I want to move it up to 1400x1050
[02:49] <oelewappe> (and yes the hardware supports that)
[02:51] <pd_> oelewappe, from what i know you will have to manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to do that
[02:51] <pd_> but there might be some tools to do that too
[02:56] <pd_> hi da_bon_bon
[02:57] <oelewappe> ah a lot better
[02:57] <oelewappe> needed to change horizsync and vertsync too though
[02:58] <pd_> oelewappe, its working right
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> hi pd_
[03:46] <bobitrobi> Hi
[03:48] <theD3viL> hi
[03:48] <theD3viL> yo KaiL :)
[03:49] <theD3viL> KaiL_  =)
[03:49] <Tm_T> hi kids
[03:49] <bobitrobi> :D
[03:49] <bobitrobi> kids?
[03:49] <theD3viL> of course.
[03:49] <bobitrobi> :D
[03:50] <Tm_T> hmm, it can't be joke?
[03:50] <Tm_T> no way ;P
[03:50] <bobitrobi> :d
[03:50] <bobitrobi> :d
[03:51] <bobitrobi> ok I need some help
[03:51] <uniq> one of the problem with IRC.. it's hard to understand sarcasm and irony. :]
[03:51] <theD3viL> what ?
[03:52] <bobitrobi> I have now kbuntu instaled on primary master disc so I would like to ad one more disc for windows
[03:52] <bobitrobi> for CS
[03:52] <bobitrobi> :d
[03:52] <bobitrobi> steam and so
[03:52] <da_bon_bon> shudnt parttion of type "extened" always be /dev/hdX4 ??
[03:52] <bobitrobi> ?
[03:53] <bobitrobi> soory don't understand
[03:53] <bobitrobi> I'm a noob so ...
[03:54] <bobitrobi> can I put a ubuntu disk to secundary master and boot with Hoary CD
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> bobitrobi: cant u use cedega ?
[03:55] <bobitrobi> I'm don't know how god does it work
[03:55] <bobitrobi> couse CS sometimes work bad in windows
[03:56] <Choubaka> it can run CS
[03:56] <bobitrobi> yes but how
[03:56] <bobitrobi> can I get 100 fps full screen with normal sound
[03:56] <bobitrobi> what about CSS
[03:56] <Choubaka> depends.
[03:57] <Choubaka> CS:S works too.
[03:57] <Choubaka> What kind of a system do you have?
[03:57] <bobitrobi> where
[03:57] <bobitrobi> now I have kubuntu
[03:57] <Choubaka> I meant hardware specs
[03:57] <bobitrobi> soory
[03:57] <Choubaka> And what's the obsession with 100fps anyway :P
[03:58] <Choubaka> 60 is more than enough.
[03:58] <bobitrobi> Barton 2800+ 512 MD ddr400 Ti 4200
[03:58] <Choubaka> sounds good.
[03:58] <bobitrobi> MB
[03:58] <bobitrobi> aha LIVE player
[03:58] <bobitrobi> ..
[03:59] <bobitrobi> and there is a lexmark 33 problem
[04:00] <bobitrobi> so I have another 20 GB disk I can use 4 windows
[04:00] <bobitrobi> I would like to hava a dual boot
[04:01] <Choubaka> so plug in the disc and install windows on it.
[04:01] <Choubaka> :/
[04:01] <bobitrobi> I have that 2
[04:02] <bobitrobi> I have 1 disk with Win Xp and 1 disk with kubuntu
[04:02] <bobitrobi> both working well like a primary master
[04:03] <bobitrobi> I understand that windows must be a primary master if I wot It to work
[04:03] <bobitrobi> wont
[04:04] <bobitrobi> sorry want
[04:05] <jd101> hi I just did the kernel upgrade but I lost the 3d Nvidia driver, what should I do?
[04:05] <Choubaka> how did you do a kernel upgrade?
[04:05] <bobitrobi> U can reinstall it
[04:05] <Choubaka> And why?
[04:05] <bobitrobi> try to install headers of the new kernel
[04:06] <jd101> I found a kernel update on synaptic
[04:06] <Choubaka> ahh.
[04:06] <Choubaka> upgrade linux-restricted-modules as well
[04:07] <jd101> there is not linux-restricted-modules update.
[04:07] <Choubaka> wird.
[04:07] <Choubaka> weird*
[04:07] <Choubaka> it ought to work though.
[04:09] <jd101> the kernel was updated from 2.6.10-5 build 2.6.10-34 to 2.6.10-34.1
[04:09] <Choubaka> :/
[04:10] <Choubaka> in that case the old module should be compatible
[04:10] <Choubaka> try modprobe nvidia
[04:10] <Choubaka> /:
[04:13] <jd101> is there anyway I can install driver from installer from nvidia.com?
[04:14] <KaiL_> jd101: which message gives 'modprobe nvidia'?
[04:14] <jd101> nothing
[04:14] <KaiL_> then it should be loaded....
[04:14] <theD3viL> jd101, yes... sh NVIDIA-7176blabla.run
[04:15] <jd101> theD3viL: do I need just headers or complete source?
[04:15] <bobitrobi> just headers
[04:16] <theD3viL> jd101, linux-image and linux-headers i think (so was in debian)
[04:16] <KaiL_> the exact headers for the installed kernel
[04:16] <KaiL_> this kernel APIs REALLY suck
[04:16] <Choubaka> theD3viL: installing from those .run files is not recommended.
[04:17] <KaiL_> jd101: but before I want to know, if the old package is REALLY not working any more
[04:17] <jd101> Choubaka: what other choice do I have?
[04:17] <theD3viL> Choubaka, i know, but jd101 want it
[04:17] <Choubaka> install the module sources.
[04:18] <Choubaka> and do it the debian way.
[04:18] <theD3viL> hm... What dist-upgrade upgrade?
[04:19] <theD3viL> and where themes saves ?
[04:19] <jd101> KaiL_: i updated kernel, rebooted, x would not start
[04:19] <theD3viL> default kubuntu theme.. where is it saved?
[04:19] <jd101> KaiL_: i did nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and changes "nvidia" to "nv"
[04:19] <KaiL_> ok, so somebody should die for this....
[04:20] <KaiL_> not testing hoary updates is something not funny
[04:20] <jd101> KaiL_: they probably should update the restricted modules package
[04:20] <KaiL_> jd101: better both files MUST get uploaded at the same second...
[04:21] <teknoprep> hey all.. where would i save my xmodmap settings so when i boot up next time i don't have to redo them
[04:21] <jd101> KaiL_: my point exactly
[04:21] <KaiL_> jd101: please wait with installing other stuff...
[04:22] <KaiL_> maybe it can be fixed fast enough
[04:23] <jd101> I downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg1.run
[04:23] <jd101> I'l download the linux-headers for the kernel update
[04:23] <KaiL_> jd101: please wait with installing other stuff <<<<<<
[04:24] <jd101> KaiL_: i didn't understand what you mean
[04:24] <KaiL_> do NOT install the NVIDIA-Linux
[04:25] <jd101> ok
[04:26] <jd101> KaiL_: what should I do instead?
[04:26] <KaiL_> sit with nv and wait for now
[04:27] <jd101> ok
[04:27] <jd101> can one of you guys apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and tell me if you get the same thing?
[04:27] <bobitrobi> not home sorry
[04:29] <jd101> is there anyway I can rebuild the linux restricted modules package myself?
[04:31] <KaiL_> just WAIT
[04:32] <KaiL_> more important
[04:33] <KaiL_> can anybody reproduce the problem with any other module?!?
[04:33] <chx> hi. I have arts disabled (gave me many problems) but my microphone does not work in Skype. In KMix -- what kind of combination of green/red/unchecked shall be over/below the mic?
[04:34] <KaiL_> the green is mute/unmute, so I guess it should be enabled
[04:34] <KaiL_> red is "record", just try that :)
[04:34] <chx> So, green no, red yes?
[04:35] <KaiL_> green yes, red try
[04:35] <bobitrobi> I would like to install grub on may win Xp disk, now I have ubuntu on primary master and I woul like to put it on primary slave. How can I do ti?
[04:42] <bobitrobi> sorry have a strnage IRC client must go now
[04:42] <bobitrobi> trange
[04:42] <bobitrobi> strange
[04:42] <bobitrobi> ah
[04:42] <bobitrobi> bye
[04:49] <chx> hmmmmmm
[04:49] <chx> My microphone does not want to work
[04:49] <chx> so i run alsamixer
[04:50] <chx> and press f4, go to Mic, press up --- oooops nothing happens
[05:12] <jd101> KaiL_: I saved the contents of dmesg
[05:22] <Ken-OhKi> Wich soft do I use for port-forwarding in kubuntu?
[05:22] <joel> Where are all my systems's admin tools?
[05:22] <Ken-OhKi> [joel]  ->tried Control Center?
[05:22] <joel> Ken-OhKi: those are for KDE
[05:23] <Ken-OhKi> Wich one you use?
[05:23] <joel> I think I found it under System
[05:26] <teknoprep> whats file can i put a startup script for my X session
[05:26] <Riddell> teknoprep: you need to put a file in ~/.kde/Autostart/
[05:26] <teknoprep> ok
[05:26] <Riddell> teknoprep: it needs to be a .desktop file pointing to the script you want
[05:27] <Riddell> and Exec=$HOME/bin/keymapping
[05:27] <Riddell> for example
[05:27] <teknoprep> eh
[05:28] <teknoprep> so i put .desktop in ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:28] <teknoprep> and in .desktop i put Exec=$HOME/bin/keymapping
[05:28] <teknoprep> and in ~/bin/keymmapping i put.. whatever the fuck i want
[05:30] <teknoprep> Riddell, yes no
[05:30] <Riddell> teknoprep: yes
[05:31] <Riddell> doesn't have to be called keymapping, that's just one I have there
[05:31] <N1G0W> hmm still no fix for the kdelibs-data ?
[05:32] <KaiL_> N1G0W: there's a new knetworkconf, which should solve the problem
[05:34] <N1G0W> well yesterday about 12 hours ago, i just install kubuntu all over again, and then installed all the updates in kynaptic, but after reboot i got errors and taskbar was gone as mentioned on the forums.
[05:34] <KaiL_> the file found it's way this morning ;)
[05:34] <N1G0W> rofl
[05:35] <KaiL_> this really needs to be handled better for next release....
[05:35] <N1G0W> heh now im lucky I created a image of my kubuntu partition. :P
[05:36] <N1G0W> yeah this bug was there already for 4 weeks or so
[05:37] <N1G0W> it would be really bad if up comming bugs take 4 weeks to get fixed
[05:37] <KaiL_> I hope not
[05:38] <joel> If i also would like to install GNOME in my Kubuntu installation, what files do I need to download?
[05:38] <Tm_T> joel: "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" ;)
[05:39] <joel> tim_h: thanx
[05:39] <Tm_T> tim?
[05:39] <Tm_T> and h ?
[05:39] <N1G0W> lol
[05:39] <joel> And everything I install is compiled for my AMD 64? (I installed via the Kubuntu amd 64)
[05:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:40] <Tm_T> I think they work ok
[05:40] <KaiL_> joel: yes
[05:40] <joel> Tm_T opps. Thanx Tm_T :D
[05:40] <Tm_T> =)
[05:47] <joel> I think Kynaptic crashed...
[05:48] <joel> never mind
[05:48] <KaiL_> no, it always sits there for hours, while installing
[05:50] <joel> KaiL_: Yea i think it was just refreashing becuase it looked as if it were downloading but nothing was downloading.
[05:50] <KaiL_> hmm
[05:54] <joel> how do I log in (console) as root?
[05:54] <joel> iv been a mdk user for a while now :)
[05:55] <joel> su isn't working
[05:55] <shogouki> sudo su
[05:57] <joel> ahhhhhhh
[05:57] <joel> whats sudo?
[05:58] <joel> Tm_T: # apt-get install gnome-desktop
[05:58] <joel> Tm_T: E: Couldn't find package gnome-desktop
[05:58] <apsuva> joel #ubuntu
[05:59] <joel> apsuva: k
[05:59] <Tm_T> joel: ubuntu-desktop
[06:00] <joel> Tm_T: thanx
[06:00] <Tm_T> =)
[06:03] <teknoprep> Riddell, that shit isn't working
[06:03] <teknoprep> Riddell, setting up a script ing ~/.kde/Autostart to run a script in $HOME/bin/blah
[06:04] <teknoprep> then seting up blah with whatever
[06:04] <teknoprep> doesn't start with kde
[06:04] <foodcoman> Why would the libxvidcore4 for mplayer 386 not update with apt-get?  I know dumb question!
[06:04] <foodcoman> =)
[06:05] <Riddell> teknoprep: here's what I have http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/keymapping
[06:06] <teknoprep> Riddell, is that in ~/.kde/Autostart/.desktop
[06:07] <Riddell> teknoprep: ~/.kde/Autostart/whatever
[06:07] <teknoprep> ok
[06:08] <hussam> Riddell: in Breezy, there are kdebase and kdelibs updates, but I can't install them because synaptic says all other kde packages including kdm, kdemultimedia and kdenetwork have to be removed in order to update kdebase and kdelibs. is this becasue the rest of the packages have not been updated yet to Breezy?
[06:09] <NothingButYou> DO NOT UPDATE TO BREEZY
[06:09] <hussam> NothingButYou: I alreaady did
[06:09] <Tm_T> haha
[06:09] <NothingButYou> bad bad.. too bad :)
[06:09] <Tm_T> hussam: why?
[06:09] <Tm_T> I mean, if you're not developer, _why_ ?
[06:09] <KaiL_> hussam: then life with a broken system :)
[06:10] <KaiL_> or know, how to fight around
[06:10] <KaiL_> btw. is that only me, who has no F-keys on breezy?
[06:10] <Tm_T> :p
[06:10] <Riddell> hussam: that's right, other packages will be updates soon
[06:12] <hussam> Riddell: ok thanks
[06:20] <hussam> brb
[06:44] <theD3viL> hm... What dist-upgrade upgrade?
[06:45] <Tm_T> man woman
[07:02] <e-guru> is there anybody having problems connecting to msn network with kopete?
[07:03] <Riddell> e-guru: you need the new kopete from hoary-updates
[07:04] <Tm_T> heh
[07:04] <Tm_T> hmm, I'm bit worried atm, my friend haven't been online whole day :o
[07:07] <e-guru> thanks
[07:15] <theD3viL> Can i run skype with something different than OSS?!
[07:15] <Choubaka> no.
[07:16] <Choubaka> Though hmm
[07:16] <Choubaka> there might be some IMs which support skype.
[07:16] <theD3viL> :S
[07:16] <Choubaka> At least I read that Miranda IM can act as a frontend to skype.
[07:16] <theD3viL> what about TeamSpeak?
[07:16] <Choubaka> dunno.
[07:16] <NothingButYou> theD3viL: you can't
[07:17] <theD3viL> i can change to other device... but dunno what.... /dev/dsp is default
[07:17] <NothingButYou> and miranda's support for skype is very mmm.. poor
[07:17] <Choubaka> theD3viL: you just can't.
[07:17] <Choubaka> whine to skype devs.
[07:17] <Choubaka> and tell them to start supporting alsa.
[07:17] <Choubaka> because OSS sucks.
[07:18] <theD3viL> yeah i know, that OSS sux hard!
[07:19] <theD3viL> Choubaka, your wrong
[07:19] <Choubaka> about what?
[07:20] <theD3viL> i can run with artsdsp
[07:20] <NothingButYou> and esddsp too
[07:20] <NothingButYou> and pray for the Full Duplex to work fine
[07:20] <NothingButYou> for me it didn't
[07:20] <theD3viL> :>
[07:20] <theD3viL> ill try
[07:21] <Choubaka> theD3viL: but that's still OSS
[07:21] <Choubaka> and it causes lag.
[07:21] <Choubaka> and stuttering.
[07:21] <theD3viL> i know.... but if it works its fine
[07:21] <theD3viL> :P
[07:21] <Choubaka> and, in my case, doesn't work at all.
[07:22] <NothingButYou> right now I'm using OSS Wrapper for dmixing.. and it workd pretty fine....
[07:22] <theD3viL> bash: esddsp: command not found <- hm.. ?
[07:22] <NothingButYou> yea.. there's no esound in kubuntu :)
[07:22] <NothingButYou> I speak theoretically
[07:22] <theD3viL> oh..
[07:22] <theD3viL> :>
[07:24] <NothingButYou> and I don't know what is the problem with AOSS .. it works fine.. if set in the right way maybe.. dmix dsnoop..
[07:24] <theD3viL> but dont works with another sound :S
[07:25] <theD3viL> dmix ... not resist
[07:25] <NothingButYou> erm?
[07:25] <NothingButYou> all the sound in my PC go through AOSS...
[07:25] <theD3viL> command not found ;)
[07:25] <NothingButYou> which command :)
[07:26] <theD3viL> dmix
[07:26] <NothingButYou> am.. it's not a command :)))
[07:26] <theD3viL> what about? :S
[07:26] <theD3viL> =)
[07:26] <NothingButYou> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[07:27] <theD3viL> tnx.
[07:27] <NothingButYou> http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?company=Generic&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=Generic#softmix
[07:27] <NothingButYou> this may be of interest too
[07:29] <theD3viL> hm
[07:30] <theD3viL> NothingButYou, ... which plugin must i paste... 1. or to?
[07:30] <theD3viL> NothingButYou, ... which plugin must i paste... 1. or 2? ;)
[07:31] <NothingButYou> if you talk about the amarok.kde.org link... the first variant is for faster PC's and newer cards
[07:32] <NothingButYou> I didn't get your question well :)
[07:32] <theD3viL> aha.... ;)
[07:33] <theD3viL> i didnt know .. first variant .. or second.....
[07:33] <NothingButYou> well.. the second differs in just one number..
[07:34] <theD3viL> and what is different?
[07:34] <NothingButYou> buffer_size 16384        # buffer size = 4096 x 2 x 2
[07:34] <NothingButYou> you may change it to 8096 or anything x2 :)
[07:34] <NothingButYou> amm.. no..
[07:35] <NothingButYou> amm... 4096 x 2 ... :)
[07:35] <theD3viL> why change?
[07:35] <NothingButYou> if you sound stutters
[07:35] <NothingButYou> when the pc is loaded with more apps :}
[07:35] <theD3viL> kk ;);)
[07:35] <NothingButYou> kind of buffer :}
[07:35] <theD3viL> so ...
[07:35] <NothingButYou> :)
[07:36] <theD3viL> buffer_size 8096 x 2       # must be a multiple of period_size
[07:36] <theD3viL> ?
[07:36] <NothingButYou> no ..
[07:36] <NothingButYou> try 4096
[07:36] <theD3viL> only 4096 ?
[07:36] <NothingButYou> ye
[07:36] <NothingButYou> s
[07:36] <theD3viL> k
[07:36] <theD3viL> ;)
[07:36] <theD3viL> how i restart ALSA ?
[07:36] <theD3viL> :S
[07:36] <NothingButYou> copy this to .asoundrc in your home dir
[07:37] <NothingButYou> and set the KDE Sound System OSS
[07:37] <theD3viL> no, i copyied to /etc/asound.conf
[07:37] <theD3viL> kk
[07:37] <NothingButYou> well.. the same :) I suppose
[07:37] <theD3viL> yes
[07:37] <theD3viL> ;)
[07:37] <NothingButYou> and .. try .. amarok + kaffeine... maybe :) i don't know what apps do you have
[07:38] <NothingButYou> but one of them to play with arts and the other with oss
[07:38] <NothingButYou> :}
[07:38] <theD3viL> hm...
[07:38] <theD3viL> wait
[07:38] <hussam> kde 3.4.1 branched today
[07:38] <theD3viL> yes arts works
[07:38] <theD3viL> ..
[07:38] <theD3viL> kaffeine..just sec :D
[07:39] <NothingButYou> make sure it's not playing through arts
[07:40] <theD3viL> yes..
[07:40] <theD3viL> :S
[07:40] <theD3viL> hm
[07:40] <theD3viL> arts with amarok
[07:40] <theD3viL> and arts with kaffeine ?
[07:40] <theD3viL> or what ?
[07:40] <theD3viL> oss dont works
[07:40] <NothingButYou> hm..
[07:41] <NothingButYou> well one of them should play through something different than arts
[07:41] <theD3viL> k
[07:41] <theD3viL> dont wokrs
[07:41] <theD3viL> :S
[07:41] <NothingButYou> kaffeine is not working for me which is strange, cause a few moments ago worked...
[07:41] <NothingButYou> damn..
[07:42] <NothingButYou> well I have to investigate then :)
[07:42] <NothingButYou> but .. that's the way  ;)
[07:43] <NothingButYou> do you have amarok-xine?
[07:43] <NothingButYou> installed?
[07:43] <theD3viL> omfg
[07:43] <theD3viL> ..
[07:43] <NothingButYou> :)
[07:43] <theD3viL> crash
[07:43] <theD3viL> !!
[07:43] <theD3viL> :)
[07:43] <theD3viL> )=
[07:43] <theD3viL> my uptime broke:(
[07:43] <NothingButYou> it happens...
[07:44] <theD3viL> eh :)
[07:44] <theD3viL> :(
[07:44] <theD3viL> brb ;)
[07:44] <theD3viL> must go to root
[07:44] <theD3viL> ;);)
[07:44] <theD3viL> acc
[07:44] <theD3viL> ;)
[07:44] <NothingButYou> ouch
[07:44] <NothingButYou> :}
[07:44] <theD3viL> :>
[07:50] <theD3viL> back :P
[07:50] <NothingButYou> mm.. I'm testing that at the moment..
[07:51] <NothingButYou> I can't get OSS to be mixed.. Only Alsa is working..
[07:51] <theD3viL> yes... to me too
[07:52] <NothingButYou> I mean.. only ALSA is actually dmixed.. I've got Kaffeine through ALSA and amarok through mm.. xine, so ALSA too
[07:52] <NothingButYou> and the Test Sound works too...
[07:52] <NothingButYou> hm..
[07:53] <theD3viL> :;>
[07:53] <theD3viL> for me too
[07:53] <theD3viL> even TS and Skype dont work =/
[07:54] <NothingButYou> device /dev/dsp busy.. damn it..
[07:54] <theD3viL> yew
[07:54] <theD3viL> yes.....
[07:55] <NothingButYou> and when I play womething through oss alsa stops.. hm.. strange..
[07:56] <theD3viL> yeeeees, i knwo
[07:56] <theD3viL> ;)
[07:56] <Church_of_FoamY> i have a question?
[07:56] <NothingButYou> aaaa... I think I guess what's it...
[07:56] <Church_of_FoamY> is there a place to paste an output arround here?
[07:56] <NothingButYou> just a second..
[07:56] <Church_of_FoamY> <-------used to be kisain
[07:56] <theD3viL> NothingButYou, if you figurite out PLS MSG ME ON PVT!
[07:57] <Church_of_FoamY> i have a problem with my cpu not idleing right
[07:57] <NothingButYou> ok
[07:57] <theD3viL> k
[07:57] <theD3viL> cu @ 15 min
[07:57] <NothingButYou> ok
[07:57] <Church_of_FoamY> and want an opinion without spamming
[07:57] <NothingButYou> I'm a spammer don't look at me :}
[07:57] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[07:57] <Church_of_FoamY> if i spam my top though your not gonna like it
[07:58] <Church_of_FoamY> but if it's ok i'll do it here
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> any problems with me doin it here?
[07:59] <NothingButYou> well.. I'm not sure that I can help about that so.. ;)
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[07:59] <NothingButYou> I don't know :) I'm new here :}
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> 10506 shane     16   0 15956 9184 6504 R 14.0  3.6   1:13.13 gkrellm
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> 10590 shane     15   0 38148  14m 9084 S 11.6  5.6   0:08.58 gnome-terminal
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> 10353 root      15   0 47472  25m 6692 S  8.3 10.4   0:55.94 Xorg
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>  1094 root      16   0     0    0    0 S  0.3  0.0   0:01.02 kjournald
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>  5934 hal       16   0  6444 4936 1592 S  0.3  1.9   0:05.32 hald
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>  5948 gkrellmd  15   0 10600 1268 1028 S  0.3  0.5   0:20.04 gkrellmd
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> 10494 shane     16   0 27104  11m 8348 S  0.3  4.6   0:02.34 gnome-panel
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> 10703 shane     16   0  2080 1044  820 R  0.3  0.4   0:01.05 top
[07:59] <NothingButYou> don't know the rulez...
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>     1 root      16   0  1552  508  444 S  0.0  0.2   0:00.60 init
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>     2 root      34  19     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 ksoftirqd/0
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>     3 root       5 -10     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.04 events/0
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>     4 root       6 -10     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.04 khelper
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>    16 root      15 -10     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 kacpid
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>    98 root       5 -10     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.01 kblockd/0
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>   132 root      15   0     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 pdflush
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>   133 root      15   0     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.24 pdflush
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY>   135 root      13 -10     0    0    0 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 aio/0
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> whats taking up so much cpu
[07:59] <shogouki> www.pastebin.com !
[07:59] <Church_of_FoamY> and how can i kill it
[07:59] <shogouki> damn flood
[08:00] <NothingButYou> hahah
[08:00] <Church_of_FoamY> thanx
[08:00] <Church_of_FoamY> i was wating for that lol
[08:00] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[08:00] <Church_of_FoamY> sorry
[08:00] <NothingButYou> usually the process on top is taking the most :}
[08:00] <Church_of_FoamY> thats the onlyway i was able to elict a respons
[08:00] <NothingButYou> killall processname:)
[08:01] <NothingButYou> don't know if that'll do a job for you :)
[08:01] <Church_of_FoamY> http://pastebin.com/288522
[08:01] <Church_of_FoamY> can someone look at that and tell me why ksoftirqd/0 is taking so much spu
[08:02] <Church_of_FoamY> before i installed software raid 1 (i don't think it's the prob) my cpu ideld between 3-4%
[08:03] <Church_of_FoamY> i really don't have a clue lol
[08:05] <Church_of_FoamY> can i kill this proccess with out unwanted effects "ksoftirqd/0"
[08:06] <shogouki> paste your questions in pastebin.com and give the link, youre flooding again
[08:06] <Church_of_FoamY> oy sorry
[08:06] <Church_of_FoamY> not tryin to be disrespectfull
[08:06] <shogouki> i was joking :)
[08:07] <shogouki> hey :/
[08:12] <theD3viL> NothingButYou, and sucsess?
[08:12] <NothingButYou> damn OSS...
[08:12] <NothingButYou> no :\
[08:12] <NothingButYou> Alsa's mixed.. OSS no
[08:12] <theD3viL> :S
[08:12] <theD3viL> same ...
[08:12] <Tm_T> haha
[08:13] <NothingButYou> the war isn't over
[08:14] <Tm_T> there's not war yet
[08:14] <Tm_T> just you wait... ] ;=
[08:25] <NothingButYou> ended up with locked sound system.. yeah.. I'm a hacker...
[08:31] <Tm_T> :p
[08:34] <NothingButYou> eh...
[08:35] <theD3viL> NothingButYou, yo again :P
[08:35] <theD3viL> did you worked out ?
[08:36] <NothingButYou> mm.. no.. I'm blown out :)
[08:36] <NothingButYou> right now browsing the documentation...
[08:36] <NothingButYou> I'm sure I've done that before..
[08:37] <theD3viL> =)
[08:38] <theD3viL> ;)))
[08:38] <theD3viL> i have a headich .. or whatever :D
[08:38] <Tm_T> headache?
[08:38] <theD3viL> yes yes :P
[08:39] <theD3viL> or...  dunno :)
[08:39] <theD3viL> =)
[08:39] <theD3viL> my english bad very :P
[08:45] <NothingButYou> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin   <- this simply does not work
[08:46] <NothingButYou> at least for me..
[08:47] <NothingButYou> I've gotta sleep. Have a nice day/night..
[08:47] <NothingButYou> :)
[08:48] <kisain> arggh it's driving me crazy
[08:48] <kisain> i can't get my cpu to stop thrashing
[08:48] <KaiL_> ?
[08:48] <KaiL_> thrashing?
[08:49] <kisain> not idel
[08:49] <kisain> it used to be @ around 3-5% now it's 21-25%
[08:49] <KaiL_> some zombie?
[08:49] <theD3viL> can somebody tell me on which page he/her downloading torrents?
[08:49] <Tm_T> o/
[08:50] <kisain> whats a zombie?
[08:50] <Tm_T> kisain: look at me
[08:50] <Tm_T> ;p
[08:50] <kisain> lol
[08:50] <KaiL_> a process, which doesn't to anything productive, only sucks cputime
[08:50] <kisain> ahhh
[08:50] <Tm_T> just like most of the people here
[08:50] <kisain> how can you tell which one it is?
[08:50] <kisain> lol
[08:50] <kisain> roflmao
[08:51] <Tm_T> kisain: try "ksysguard %U"
[08:52] <Liz4rd> OMG
[08:52] <Liz4rd> Tm_T: hey man
[08:52] <Liz4rd> :P
[08:53] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:53] <Liz4rd> sup?
[08:54] <Tm_T> eh, please use whole words, and I'm just fine, you?
[08:55] <Liz4rd> i'm fine... not high up on the english?
[08:55] <kisain> ok
[08:55] <Tm_T> well, I prefer proper english in international channels ;)
[08:55] <Liz4rd> alright, fair enough
[08:56] <Liz4rd> where are all the funny people?
[08:56] <Liz4rd> :P
[08:56] <kisain> i typed that in and this is what it said :(in error box)The file /tmp/kde-shane/ksysguardDVLkhc.tmp does not contain valid XML.
[08:56] <Liz4rd> like smouche :D
[08:56] <Tm_T> haha
[08:56] <Tm_T> kisain: ehh, breezy?
[08:57] <kisain> no ubuntu horey
[08:57] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:57] <Tm_T> strange
[08:57] <kisain> there was an update today
[08:57] <kisain> for the kernal i think it was
[08:57] <kisain> and i downloaded it
[09:00] <kisain> any idea?
[09:01] <teknoprep> anyone here ever get a modification for KDE that makes it look like os x
[09:01] <kisain> thats neat
[09:01] <kisain> you can do that?
[09:01] <Liz4rd> teknoprep: www.google.com <-- use the force
[09:02] <Choubaka> Did someone call for funny people?
[09:02] <teknoprep> i am foo
[09:02] <Liz4rd> :P simmer
[09:02] <teknoprep> Liz4rd, www.blowme.com
[09:02] <Liz4rd> teknoprep: www.teaparty.org
[09:02] <teknoprep> Liz4rd, i do love you
[09:02] <Liz4rd> :P
[09:04] <kisain> could that update be causing my problem?
[09:07] <kisain> is there anyway to see the updates and remove them and revert back to the older version
[09:12] <uniq> well.. see the update is kinda tricky, as far as i know.
[09:12] <uniq> you can check the timestamps on the files in /var/lib/dpkg/info
[09:12] <Tm_T> teknoprep: hmm?
[09:13] <uniq> kisain: and you can revert to older versions of packages by using 'apt-get install package=version', if that version is available (check with apt-cache policy package) it will be installed.
[09:13] <Tm_T> teknoprep: like http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/Krita-Kexi_01.png ?
[09:15] <teknoprep> Tm_T, no thats only ok
[09:15] <teknoprep> Tm_T, http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=6631&file1=6631-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=OS+X+Jaguar+look
[09:20] <nmorse> Tm_T, they fixed that Krita toolbar bug in Krita, but it means that dockers can go to the top or bottom too (which is useless, and really another bug)
[09:20] <nmorse> and I appear to have used Krita twice in that clause
[09:21] <nmorse> redundancy is not always good
[09:23] <Tm_T> =)
[09:23] <Tm_T> teknoprep: btw why you wan't osx style ?
[09:23] <nmorse> Now toolbars can be redocked at the top after being docked at the sides which is very good
[09:24] <Tm_T> :)
[09:24] <teknoprep> Tm_T, yeah
[09:24] <teknoprep> Tm_T, just for looks
[09:24] <nmorse> Is there some way to, say, get the packages from the mirror in the topic to authenticate?
[09:24] <teknoprep> Tm_T, becuase i am mad bored at work
[09:24] <Tm_T> teknoprep: heh
[09:38] <nmorse> By the way, what were the fixes included in the topic's repo?
[09:40] <Tm_T> nmorse: kdelibs kdenetworkconf etc
[09:43] <nmorse> Okay, what were the bugs that were fixed?
[09:44] <Tm_T> I really don't know
[09:45] <Tm_T> but maybe it fixed kopete@msn issue
[09:46] <Riddell> nmorse: knetworkconf had some overlapping files, kdelibs had a nasty habit of removing /etc/kderc
[09:47] <nmorse> Thanks, Riddell
[09:47] <Riddell> kopete fix is in the ubuntu hoary-updates
[09:47] <nmorse> Yeah I got that one, but what was the kaffeine fix?
[09:47] <uniq> *hint* the .changes files :)
[09:47] <othernoob> mmh, i just burned a cd and k3b gave me a message saying that the burner or the medium doesn't support 20x, so it's switching down to 16x. but it's a 52x24x52x cdrw and a 48x cd-r ?
[09:48] <Riddell> nmorse: stop it being so horribly crashy I think
[09:48] <nmorse> That's good, hopefully the save stream function will work now too
[09:49] <nmorse> Yep, save stream seems to work
[09:52] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: sounds like its not a 48x cdr
[09:52] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: and you got jipped
[09:52] <Diablo-D3> hell, I've bought spindles of 52x... and they were really only 40x
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> k3b refuses to burn faster than what the cd says... no matter what the box they came in says.
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> And Thats A Good Thing (tm)
[09:53] <othernoob> Diablo-D3: mmh, could it be that only a few cdr's in a spindle are not 48x?
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> othernoob: if so, you still got screwed
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> they should _always always always always always_ be from the same batch
[09:54] <othernoob> Diablo-D3: cause i've used others and they were working with 48x and also in win with nero there was no prob and neither in fc3
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> nero sucks, btw
[09:54] <othernoob> and in fc3 i also used k3b..with cdr's from the same spindle :/
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> worst cd burner ever
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> and fc3 probably patched k3b and/or cdrecord to burn faster than recommended
[09:55] <othernoob> heh, nero worked for me the few times i used it
[09:55] <othernoob> why
[09:56] <Pupeno> Was FLAC support dropped from KDE Audio CD ?
[09:57] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: kde audio cd does what?
[09:57] <othernoob> Diablo-D3 why do you hate nero ?
[09:57] <Diablo-D3> its horrible horrible quality
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> and they love to bundle nero with cd burners, and lock the copy of nero to the cd burner
[09:58] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: provide, thru KIO a convenient way to access data in CDs as Ogg Vorbis, MP3, Wav, ISO, and... well, FLAC was available on Gentoo on KDE 3.3, but it's not on KDE 3.4 on Kubuntu.
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: Im not sure what provides the service BUT
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: if its done through gstreamer, install gstreamer0.8-flac
[09:59] <Choubaka> gstreamer is gnome stuff I think
[09:59] <Pupeno> nah, it doesn't have anything to do with gstreamer.
[09:59] <othernoob> Diablo-D3 heh, they also used to bundle WinOnCD with burners...and that wasn't much better than nero either
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> Choubaka: not quite
[09:59] <Choubaka>  you mean like dragging the tracks from konqueror?
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> gstreamer is a freedesktop project
[09:59] <Choubaka> and ripping them as Ogg/foo in the process?
[09:59] <Choubaka> Diablo-D3: ah.
[09:59] <Pupeno> which is gnome stuff... ;)
[10:00] <Diablo-D3> and lots of kde stuff use gstreamer
[10:00] <Diablo-D3> and kde4 is dropping arts in favor of using eithe gstreamer, a kde gstreamer wrapper, or a gstreamer clone
[10:00] <Choubaka> !
[10:00] <Choubaka> <3
[10:01] <Pupeno> Ok, FLAC wasn't droped I'm told, so, it's either I'm missing to install something, or what's more likely, nobody packaged it.
[10:01] <Choubaka> maybe it's in universe?
[10:01] <Diablo-D3> gstreamer0.8-flac is in universe afaik
[10:02] <Pupeno> Choubaka: I don't think this piece of KDE can be packaged separately, if it's compiled in, it should be on kcontrol, if it's not, it can be added (there's no plug in mechanism there AFAIK).
[10:03] <Choubaka> that sounds stupid :/
[10:03] <Pupeno> Choubaka: what sounds stupid ?
[10:03] <Diablo-D3> you do realize kde is modular, right?
[10:03] <Choubaka> I thought so too.
[10:04] <Diablo-D3> Pupeno: where the hell is this in kcontrol?
[10:04] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: yes ? tell me how do you package the help menu of KWord separately.
[10:04] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: use the search tab, and type audiocd
[10:04] <Diablo-D3> hmm
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> I dont have a flac tab either
[10:05] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: I'm not being an ass, I don't remember where it is, I just use the search tab, always.
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> I found it already
[10:05] <Pupeno> According to thiago on #kde it can be packaged separately.
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> let me look
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> I dont see any package for it
[10:06] <Pupeno> I was about to report it, is bugzilla.ubuntu.com the right place ?
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> no
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> launchpad is
[10:07] <Pupeno> Ok, http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php points to ubuntu's bugzilla, maybe it shouldn't ?
[10:07] <Pupeno> Diablo-D3: where do I find launchpad ?
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> google for it
[10:09] <Diablo-D3> probably something like launchpad.ubuntu.org
[10:10] <Pupeno> It only says: The Warty Tracking Bugzilla has moved to https://bugzilla.no-name-yet.com/.
[10:10] <Diablo-D3> lemme go look
[10:10] <Diablo-D3> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[10:11] <Pupeno> ubuntu.com ? let's see. :D
[10:20] <_blaz> hello
[10:24] <_blaz> can i get someone to help me with something?
[10:24] <uniq> if you tell us what something is, maybe.
[10:24] <_blaz> about dvd shrink 3.2
[10:25] <_blaz> i install it successfully
[10:25] <_blaz> but whet i click on open button i can't browse
[10:26] <uniq> I don't know anything about dvd shrink..
[10:26] <_blaz> ok
[10:26] <uniq> maybe someone else here does.
[10:26] <nmorse> can anyone connect to a groupchat in jabber in the updated version of kopete?
[10:27] <_blaz> alot of people are here, probably someone knows
[10:27] <Tm_T> am I tired or is it just lack of caffeine
[10:27] <nmorse> Dvd Shrink, like to make DVD's smaller by cutting out features so you can burn them to normal DVDs?
[10:28] <_blaz> i use not the version 3.0 but it doesn't have the option to make output file as .iso
[10:28] <_blaz> yes
[10:28] <_blaz> it is a great app
[10:28] <nmorse> I read a review of it in PC Magazine this summer
[10:28] <nmorse> Or was that the summer before?
[10:29] <nmorse> Anyway, it looked promising
[10:29] <_blaz> it is
[10:29] <_blaz> and it is very simple
[10:30] <_blaz> i'm quite a new user to linux and i'm not familliar with some things
[10:30] <nmorse> Where did you get DVD Shrink?
[10:30] <_blaz> well, alot of things
[10:30] <_blaz> you can download it from official page
[10:30] <_blaz> it is free
[10:31] <_blaz> but you can only download the 3.2 version
[10:32] <nmorse> So no one here can connect to a Jabber chat using Kopete?
[10:32] <Pupeno> nmorse: I can.
[10:32] <osh> Anyone running java on their machine. Is there a kubuntu-controlled java in some repo somewhere?
[10:34] <_blaz> not me
[10:34] <nmorse> I found out what my problem was, kopete sets priority while gaim doesn't
[10:34] <nmorse> Couldn't connect to chat rooms with kopete while gaim was running
[10:34] <nmorse> For once, Kopete has a feature gaim doesn't
[10:35] <Riddell> nmorse: goes gaim have emticon themes with KHotNewStuff?
[10:37] <Tm_T> this is not funny, my kaffeine is still crashy
[10:37] <nmorse> KHotNewStuff?
[10:38] <nmorse> I'd settle for Kopete figuring out that a groupchat should show the $nick only, not the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:40] <Riddell> nmorse: downloadable
[10:41] <nmorse> Hmm, I must learn more of this KHotNewStuff
[10:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > anyone know if the coppermine cpu uses scaling?
[10:42] <nmorse> Doubtful
[10:42] <nmorse> That's a PII, right?
[10:42] <nmorse> or was that the P3?
[10:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > celeron
[10:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > 1.0ghz
[10:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i'm trying to figure out why my cpu usage values seem higher than normal
[10:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > my cpu used to idel @ between 3-5%
[10:43] <[ADULT_SWIM] > now it's 19-29% :(
[10:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and it's bugging me out
[10:44] <nmorse> Is a cron job running?
[10:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i'm worried about excessive strain when running programs
[10:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > whats that?
[10:44] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and how to tell?
[10:44] <nmorse> Open Konsole, then type 'ps -e | grep cron'
[10:45] <nmorse> Or use a system monitor and check what process takes that much
[10:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > 6339 ?        00:00:00 cron
[10:45] <nmorse> How are you checking your idle percentage?
[10:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > top
[10:45] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and gkrellm
[10:46] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but i can't use kubuntu because it won't mount my software raid 1
[10:46] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i have it though ^_^
[10:46] <nmorse> Right, so you're using top and gkrellm to check it?
[10:46] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea
[10:46] <nmorse> We need to get a real system monitor running here
[10:47] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ooook??
[10:47] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thought gkrellm was
[10:47] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and top was
[10:47] <nmorse> K Menu -> System -> System Monitor
[10:47] <nmorse> If you have the GNOME one, that's where it is
[10:47] <[ADULT_SWIM] > what am i looking for?
[10:47] <nmorse> We need something that lists processes by cpu use
[10:48] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ok have it
[10:48] <nmorse> Riddell: how do you get the themes through KNewHotStuff? It seems to be pointless little games and stuff
[10:48] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i'm in ubuntu right now but the problem happens in kubuntu too
[10:48] <[ADULT_SWIM] > only reason i'm not using kubuntu is cause it can't access my md0
[10:49] <Riddell> nmorse: I think it's just in subversion, they will take the feed from kde-look.org
[10:49] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i'm looking through the processes and can't find anything thats (don't know for shure) supposed to be there
[10:49] <nmorse> Okay, there should be a menu labeled My Processes
[10:50] <nmorse> Change that to active Processes
[10:50] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ok done
[10:50] <nmorse> What's there besides gnome-system-monitor?
[10:50] <gdh> Hm, when I start KMail and it connects to my self-signed SSL IMAP server, I'm always asked to remember the setting Session only or Forever... but I am always asked next reboot even if I press Forever...
[10:51] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it varys
[10:51] <nmorse> Yeah, but what usually comes up?
[10:51] <nmorse> Just artsd and konversation, etc.?
[10:51] <nmorse> and kicker
[10:51] <tuneout_> alright, im trying to install Kubuntu, and it boots up till the part where it says "checking if image is initramfs..." and it's hanging there, and last time it ended up with a kernel panic
[10:51] <[ADULT_SWIM] > something called x
[10:51] <tuneout_> any idea what's up?
[10:52] <nmorse> Yeah, don't worry about that
[10:52] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and jkrellm sucked 100% just a few secs ago
[10:52] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and then it did again
[10:52] <nmorse> Alright, go back to All Processes
[10:52] <[ADULT_SWIM] > wonder why?
[10:52] <nmorse> then check cron and hit More Info
[10:53] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ok done
[10:53] <nmorse> Does it say sleeping?
[10:53] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yes
[10:53] <nmorse> Okay, it's not cron
[10:54] <nmorse> Has this only been happening since you installed gkrellm (or updated it?)
[10:54] <[Piratez] > can someone tell me what the equivalent of 'arial' on windows is for linux besides 'any' sans-serif font; the cloest matching one
[10:54] <[ADULT_SWIM] > no
[10:54] <nmorse> When did it start?
[10:54] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it happend after i changed my name and or updated the kernal
[10:54] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it used to be shane@ubuntu
[10:54] <[Piratez] > http://piratez.ath.cx/temp/SmartFTP_Konqueror.png
[10:54] <[ADULT_SWIM] > now it's shane@foamy
[10:55] <nmorse> Okay, so you updated the kernel and then this happened?
[10:55] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yes
[10:55] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thats what i'm thinking
[10:55] <othernoob> why does it want to install libsensors3 if i want to remove ksensors, lm-sensors, sensord?
[10:55] <nmorse> What kernel did you update it to?
[10:55] <nmorse> And for what reason?
[10:56] <[ADULT_SWIM] > um because ubuntu said to update it
[10:56] <nmorse> Okay
[10:56] <[ADULT_SWIM] > there was an icon in the systray
[10:56] <nmorse> I couldn't even get that one to install, gave module errors
[10:56] <[ADULT_SWIM] >    	 	 	 	 	 	 		 	   >linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[10:56] <nmorse> In the systray?
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > well it was by the clock
[10:57] <nmorse> What program does that to tell you about updates?
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > something with ubuntu looks like a red round dot
[10:57] <nmorse> And why don't we have one for KDE on Kubuntu?
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > you know i wonderd the same thing
[10:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i thought it was a nifty feature
[10:58] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i like kubuntu but it won't work right
[10:58] <[ADULT_SWIM] > sence i put software raid 1 on it
[10:58] <othernoob> nmorse: isn't that a gnome feature ?
[10:58] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i like the features and functionality
[10:58] <[ADULT_SWIM] > seems more powerfull than kubuntu-desktop
[10:59] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ubuntu-desktop even
[10:59] <nmorse> othernoob: hence why I asked why we don't have one for kubuntu
[10:59] <nmorse> GNOME simply can't touch KDE, if you ask me
[10:59] <[ADULT_SWIM] > beats me wish we did
[10:59] <nmorse> It may just be that KDE was on 2.0 when GNOME was in Alpha
[10:59] <kay> Evening
[10:59] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i like KDE but it won't touch raid 1
[11:00] <[ADULT_SWIM] > can't access any harddrives
[11:00] <nmorse> KDE doesn't care about raid
[11:00] <[ADULT_SWIM] > in kubuntu
[11:00] <Tm_T> argh, my eyes!
[11:00] <[ADULT_SWIM] > well it seems to
[11:00] <nmorse> If Kubuntu won't do it, I don't know why Ubuntu does
[11:00] <othernoob> nmorse: i must say, im impressed by kde, i had gnome before on fc3 and it was uh..well it's gone ;)
[11:00] <[ADULT_SWIM] > good question lol
[11:00] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but any idea why it would screw with my cpu?
[11:01] <nmorse> No, but kernel updates can do that I guess
[11:01] <nmorse> I've had kernels screw up X, etc.
[11:01] <[ADULT_SWIM] > wow
[11:01] <[ADULT_SWIM] > <-----is now afraid to update
[11:01] <nmorse> Yeah, it happens sometimes, mostly when you compile your own and don't listen to the HOWTOs
[11:02] <[ADULT_SWIM] > scary
[11:02] <nmorse> Don't be afraid to update ever
[11:02] <[ADULT_SWIM] > why if it's gonna mess up my box
[11:02] <othernoob> nmorse: why does it want to install libsensors3 if i want to remove ksensors, lm-sensors, sensord?
[11:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i worked hard to make it the way i wanted and to learn the little i know of linux i don't want to lose it all because of a stupid update that messes with my hardware
[11:03] <nmorse> well, did you compile your own kernel for the raid support?
[11:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i diden't
[11:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ubuntu has raid suppoert
[11:03] <nmorse> You may need to file a bug report, I'd check in #ubuntu
[11:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > software raid anyway
[11:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i did
[11:04] <[ADULT_SWIM] > just wondering if anyone knew if that was the problem the update
[11:04] <foodcoman> Double check in ubuntu forum also. There is additional eyes over there.
[11:05] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ok will do thank you for your help
[11:05] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i do have a question though for the kubuntu side of things
[11:06] <[ADULT_SWIM] > when i go into(in win would be called my computer) and click on the hard drive
[11:06] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it tells me that the drive is not mounted
[11:06] <[ADULT_SWIM] > any ideas
[11:06] <[ADULT_SWIM] > something about fstab
[11:07] <Tm_T> yup
[11:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > any idea how to fix it?
[11:07] <Tm_T> your drive is not mounted, so mount it ;p
[11:07] <nmorse> othernoob: I have no idea why, might be a packaging problem
[11:08] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i try to but it still gives error
[11:08] <Tm_T> [ADULT_SWIM] : give me presice error
[11:08] <othernoob> nmorse: do you think it's safe to do it anyway ?
[11:08] <[ADULT_SWIM] > let me switch i'll show you error
[11:08] <nmorse> oh probably
[11:08] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:09] <nmorse> Then just do an apt-get remove libsensors3 afterwards
[11:10] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[11:10] <Church_of_FoamY> it's me just switched
[11:10] <Church_of_FoamY> Could not mount device.
[11:10] <Church_of_FoamY> The reported error was:
[11:10] <Church_of_FoamY> mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:11] <Church_of_FoamY> woops
[11:11] <Church_of_FoamY> the way ubuntu sees the 2 drives is as one
[11:11] <Church_of_FoamY> because of the software raid
[11:11] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:12] <Tm_T> so add that device to fstab
[11:12] <Church_of_FoamY> ad what though
[11:12] <Tm_T> heh
[11:12] <Church_of_FoamY> it sees 2 single drives there configured as 1 software raid 1 drive
[11:12] <Tm_T> yeah
[11:13] <Church_of_FoamY> ok i know somehow i'm missing somethinglol
[11:13] <Church_of_FoamY> but my linux for dummies book don't cover this lol
[11:13] <Tm_T> so you wan't to mount a partition which is actually raid(ed) ?
[11:14] <Church_of_FoamY> yes
[11:14] <Church_of_FoamY> ok heres something new
[11:14] <Church_of_FoamY> i just discoverd it
[11:14] <Tm_T> try "sudo mount /dev/foo /destination/
[11:14] <Tm_T> "
[11:14] <Church_of_FoamY> i click on the drive hit ok
[11:15] <Tm_T> and?
[11:15] <Church_of_FoamY> it contiues into a blank screen and than i hit the up arrow
[11:15] <Church_of_FoamY> and i can go backwards through the directorys
[11:15] <Tm_T> ...
[11:15] <Church_of_FoamY> but it dosen't show up as 1 drive
[11:15] <Church_of_FoamY> i just got into both of them by the same method
[11:15] <othernoob> i also want to remove openoffice 1.1 and when i do it, it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop 0.4 ..is that normal ?
[11:16] <nmorse> No, no it shouldn't be at least, othernoob
[11:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:16] <Church_of_FoamY> this is definatly a conindrum
[11:16] <nmorse> Do you have any other repos than the ones that Kubuntu uses by default?
[11:17] <Church_of_FoamY> who me?
[11:17] <Tm_T> actually kubuntu-desktop have dependency to OO.o ?
[11:17] <othernoob> mmh, i just want to install OO 2 ..
[11:17] <Tm_T> othernoob: then install it
[11:17] <othernoob> because OO1.1 can't read my files for some reason
[11:18] <othernoob> Tm_T will it simply update OO1.1 or install OO2 so that i have OO1.1+2?
[11:18] <nmorse> Why does kubuntu-desktop depend on OO.o?
[11:18] <nmorse> othernoob: both will be installed
[11:18] <Pupeno> How do I change my default console editor (from nano) to vim ?
[11:18] <nmorse> But OO.o 2 requires you install every program seperately
[11:18] <othernoob> nmorse: which is exactly why i want to get rid of 1.1 first
[11:19] <Church_of_FoamY> could the problem be that kubuntu dosen't see the 2 hd's has one?
[11:19] <nmorse> Shouldn't kubuntu-desktop depend on KOffice?
[11:19] <Church_of_FoamY> i'm worried that may cause the hard drives to not stay synced
[11:20] <nmorse> I really prefer KOffice anyway, as it's workspace shell is very nice
[11:20] <nmorse> and I never like MS Office anyway, which OO.o is very much like
[11:21] <nmorse> s/like/liked/
[11:22] <othernoob> i'll give KOffice a try some time, but am used to OO
[11:22] <nmorse> KOffice also has a real database (not OO.o Base, which is worthless), and vector drawing, etc.
[11:23] <nmorse> and it also does flowcharts (if you're the Visio type)
[11:24] <nmorse> It's like Sodipodi, Visio, and OO all rolled into one workspace
[11:25] <nmorse> And wrapped in the lovely KDE native widgets I love so much
[11:25] <Church_of_FoamY> any idea about my prob?
[11:26] <othernoob> a friend of mine uses it on SuSE 9.1 and he had problems printing out diff fonts in the same text, which is why i haven't bothered testing it yet
[11:26] <nmorse> Really? That sounds like a PS issue.
[11:27] <othernoob> well. he then installed OO and had no probs
[11:28] <nmorse> Hmm. That sounds like an interesting bug.
[11:28] <DefHandz> x11drv: Can't open display:
[11:29] <DefHandz> x11drv: Can't open display: I get this error in Konsole while trying to install in Cedega. I type cedega SteamInstall.exe
[11:30] <Church_of_FoamY> just one last question nmorse
[11:30] <nmorse> fire away
[11:30] <Church_of_FoamY> should i be worried about the cpu idling that high
[11:30] <nmorse> Yeah, I would be
[11:30] <Church_of_FoamY> ok thank you
[11:31] <nmorse> Not that it'll kill your hardware
[11:31] <nmorse> But that everything else will be slowed down tremendously
[11:31] <Church_of_FoamY> it's a programming isshue
[11:31] <Church_of_FoamY> i know i've noticed
[11:31] <nmorse> You should try reverting to the original kernel
[11:31] <Church_of_FoamY> kill the raid?
[11:31] <Church_of_FoamY> or revert back to before the updates
[11:32] <Church_of_FoamY> to kill the raid i would have to reformat
[11:32] <nmorse> Revert to the kernel before the updates
[11:32] <nmorse> Should be easy enough to do
[11:32] <Church_of_FoamY> you can fo that?!!!
[11:32] <Church_of_FoamY> sweet
[11:32] <frank_> has anyone tried installing kaffeine from breezy?  that package wants to remove locales and other packages that I don't think should be removed!
[11:33] <Church_of_FoamY> can you tell me how or point me in a direction that will tell me?
[11:33] <nmorse> Yeah, it's easy enough to downgrade packages, even kernels
[11:33] <Church_of_FoamY> sweet
[11:33] <Church_of_FoamY> thats the best news i herd all day
[11:33] <nmorse> We just need the original .deb package, and a quick glance at 'man dpkg'
[11:33] <Church_of_FoamY> thank you linux god
[11:33] <Church_of_FoamY> ok how to do?
[11:34] <Church_of_FoamY> cause i don't know what the original was
[11:34] <Church_of_FoamY> <----likes this ubuntu/kubuntu cause it just works.
[11:35] <nmorse> Like I said, first we need the new kernel image
[11:35] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[11:35] <nmorse> or old kernel package, really
[11:35] <Church_of_FoamY> i installed it off a cd
[11:35] <Church_of_FoamY> the ubuntu hoary 5.04 cd
[11:35] <Church_of_FoamY> if thats where it got form
[11:36] <nmorse> Okay, do you still have the CD?
[11:36] <Church_of_FoamY> hell ya you think i'd loos a decent peace of programming lol
[11:36] <Church_of_FoamY> right here in my hand
[11:37] <nmorse> Ok, put it in, mount it, and then in Konsole, do a 'find /media/cdrom/ -iname linux-image*'
[11:37] <Church_of_FoamY> now what linux image thingy am i looking for?
[11:38] <kay> that is what they call the kernel like
[11:38] <Church_of_FoamY> binary-i386?
[11:38] <nmorse> It's a Celeron Coppermine, right?
[11:38] <Church_of_FoamY> or the debian installer?
[11:38] <Church_of_FoamY> yes
[11:38] <Church_of_FoamY> 1.oghx
[11:38] <Church_of_FoamY> ghz even
[11:38] <nmorse> So that's a P3-based Celeron
[11:39] <Church_of_FoamY> yes i think so
[11:39] <nmorse> So install the linux-image-2.6.10-5-686
[11:39] <Church_of_FoamY> ok how?
[11:39] <nmorse> dpkg -i $pathtofile/linux-image-2.6.10-5-686-ubuntusomething.deb
[11:40] <nmorse> Note: not copy and pasteable, too many people try that with my useless pseudo-commands
[11:40] <Church_of_FoamY> sarching for the path
[11:42] <nmorse> preface that dpkg with sudo too
[11:43] <Church_of_FoamY> ok
[11:43] <Church_of_FoamY> looking for it
[11:44] <Church_of_FoamY> it keeps poping these little mounting boxes up
[11:45] <nmorse> Okay
[11:45] <Church_of_FoamY> it dosen't see it for some reason
[11:45] <Church_of_FoamY> any idea of where it might be on the cd?
[11:45] <nmorse> Did you try that find command I put up there?
[11:46] <nmorse> find /media/cdrom/ -iname linux-image* ?
[11:47] <Church_of_FoamY> :(
[11:47] <Church_of_FoamY> getting scared
[11:47] <nmorse> That's ok
[11:47] <nmorse> find /media/crom/ -iname *kernel*
[11:49] <Tm_T> sleep ->
[11:49] <Pupeno> What should I do to get a video to play when kaffeine reports this error: "A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: wmvdmod.dll" ?
[11:50] <_sophie> Hi all, kunbuntu user for 24 hours and counting I ditch Suse
[11:50] <Church_of_FoamY> linux-image-2.6.10-5-686?
[11:50] <Church_of_FoamY> i found it but kinda half manualy
[11:50] <_sophie> And I've got 1000'S of questions
[11:50] <nmorse> Pupeno: are the win32codecs installed?
[11:50] <Church_of_FoamY> ok i found the matching image
[11:50] <Pupeno> nmorse: I don't think so, how do I get them ?
[11:51] <_sophie> Pupeno: how do I install java and a firefox plugin
[11:51] <nmorse> that's it. Install it, Church_of_FoamY
[11:51] <Church_of_FoamY> should i drag it to my desktop to make it easyer?
[11:51] <_sophie> Pupeno: Mplayer package
[11:51] <nmorse> use the gcjwebplugin, sophie
[11:51] <Pupeno> nmorse: ok, but, which package is it ?
[11:52] <_sophie> uilding dependency tree... Done
[11:52] <_sophie> E: Couldn't find package gcjwebplugin
[11:52] <Church_of_FoamY> ok i moved the image to the desktop
[11:52] <Church_of_FoamY> whats the way to install it again
[11:53] <nmorse> dpkg -i packagename.deb
[11:54] <Church_of_FoamY> cool
[11:55] <nmorse> did it work?
[11:56] <nmorse> Pupeno: w32codecs is the package you're looking for
[11:56] <_sophie> Pupeno: Maybe I don't have apt-get pointing to a repository but I have very litle packages
[11:56] <_sophie> Pupeno: What are you using
[11:56] <Church_of_FoamY> it's not a .deb it's a folder
[11:57] <Pupeno> nmorse: I can't find it with synaptic, in which repository  is it ?
[11:57] <Pupeno> _sophie: mh ?
[11:57] <nmorse> Hmm, good question, hang on
[11:57] <nmorse> marrilat, Pupeno
[11:58] <nmorse> Church_of_FoamY, what's in that directory?
[11:58] <Church_of_FoamY> 1 sec
[11:58] <nmorse> the unofficial FAQ's Kplayer entry needs updating
[11:59] <nmorse> I have both Kaffeine and Kplayer installed
[11:59] <nmorse> then again, mine's from marillat
[12:01] <nmorse> be back later