[09:24] <tritium> racoontje|clone, but his old monitor provided edid data
[09:24] <krism> (e.g. IFS is ':' and find prints output seperated by ':')
[09:24] <FarmerTed> now it crashes at detecting my cd drive
[09:24] <evarlast> krism: see my different solution
[09:24] <cavediver> thoreauputic: will have a look.
[09:24] <Cardinal> Hi all, can anyone offer advce on GRUB it keeps stalling at stage 2 :(
[09:24] <racoontje|clone> tritium, he found a new monitor that doesn't provide edid data?
[09:24] <tritium> yep
[09:24] <thoreauputic> cavediver: that solved my mp3 problems (but on Warty)
[09:24] <racoontje|clone> Wow.
[09:24] <krism> evarlast : ah, i see it now. thanks. this whole bit was mostly about forcing bash to do what i wanted it to <g>
[09:24] <bruno> tritium: the XF86Config-4 shows refresh rates: horizSync: 30-95 / VertRefresh 50-160
[09:24] <cavediver> thoreauputic: Yes, a whole bunch of libgstremer packages.
[09:24] <tritium> bruno, probably for your old monitor?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> including gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[09:25] <tritium> bruno, what are the specs on your new one?
[09:25] <linuxboy> Is there any advantage in installing a kernel for your arch? (ie, why sould i install i686 if i have i686, whats wrong with i386?)
[09:25] <racoontje|clone> bruno, change those values to something more conservative. 40-70 60-140
[09:25] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, slightly faster
[09:25] <CarlK> linuxboy - slightly faster
[09:25] <CarlK> bam!
[09:25] <FarmerTed> i think it improves performance and power usage
[09:25] <racoontje|clone> lol GMTA CarlK :D
[09:25] <racoontje|clone> FarmerTed, power usage?
[09:25] <bruno> tritium: after i ran dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:25] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: not a huge boost
[09:26] <racoontje|clone> Last time I checked even -386 had speedstep etc
[09:26] <FarmerTed> for laptops, I think
[09:26] <FarmerTed> I remember reading that somewhere
[09:26] <linuxboy> how can it be faster?
[09:26] <ewhitten> wooo, it's alive alliiiiiveee!
[09:26] <ewhitten> (beagle)
[09:26] <cavediver> This sucks, both xmms and totem hangs and crash when trying to play music.
[09:26] <tritium> bruno, better to get the proper rates for your monitor
[09:26] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, what do you mean?
[09:26] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, you ever coded asm?
[09:26] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: a noticable boost?
[09:26] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: compiled for a more advanced arch = slightly faster
[09:27] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, read "The tao of Programming", come back, and I'll tell you why having things understand more than your basic x86 CISC is a good thing.
[09:27] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: I don't know - I don't bother with it really
[09:27] <tritium> bruno, can you put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin?
[09:27] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, it's usually a good thing for floating point operations. Say, most lossy video codecs.
[09:27] <linuxboy> racoontje|clone: nope
[09:27] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: I have a 686 kernel and a 386 and I don't notice a difference really
[09:28] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, compare an mplayer binary that was compiled with -mtune=athlon64 -msse -msse2 -fprofile-use to one without, on an athlon 64.
[09:28] <racoontje|clone> on things like lossy video codecs, I wouldn't be surprised if you saw a doubling of your fps
[09:29] <HrdwrBoB> from 24 to 24?
[09:29] <Kenotic> I updated my system with the new kernel the other day and I can not seem to get my nvidia drivers back working. Can someone give me a hand?
[09:29] <HrdwrBoB> if a video is encoded in 24fps
[09:29] <linuxboy> racoontje|clone: it will only speed up prosesses that use the 'better' features af your arch? ie, youll see MMX speed ups etc?
[09:29] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: that's interesting
[09:29] <bruno> tritium: what's pastebin?
[09:29] <racoontje|clone> HrdwrBoB, just because it's encoded at xxfps doesn't mean it can't be rendered at that speed.
[09:30] <bruno> racoontje|clone: no luck with your rates
[09:30] <tritium> bruno, don't use arbitrary rates
[09:30] <seacyd> For a MIC (microphone) what /dev do have to exist?
[09:30] <Cardinal> ok got to go I will try again sometime
[09:30] <racoontje|clone> tritium, are you sure it's the rates?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: you like watching stuff at double speed ;) ?
[09:30] <racoontje|clone> I'm more inclined to think it's a monitor with broken power saving.
[09:31] <tritium> racoontje|clone, I'm waiting to see his XFree86.0.log
[09:31] <racoontje|clone> thoreauputic, the movies aren't faster or slower. Some codecs allow tweening, which means that a 20fps movie can be played smoothly.
[09:31] <tritium> bruno, http://www.pastebin.com/
[09:31] <racoontje|clone> It's not like playing 20rpm vinyl at 40rpm.
[09:32] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: ah, I see - I'm vastly ignorant on the subject, obviously - I don't really use computers for video much
[09:32] <racoontje|clone> thoreauputic, www.click.be
[09:32] <racoontje|clone> I build video editing boxes for a living
[09:32] <thoreauputic> looking, thanks
[09:32] <racoontje|clone> It's dutch. You won't understand ;-0
[09:33] <Kenotic> If my video card was working with the other kernel and all I did was an apt-get upgrade and got the new one it should still work correct?
[09:33] <bruno> tritium: how do get that log file output from my command line to the web?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> hehe - well, maybe learning Dutch is easier than learning Linux ;)
[09:33] <ewhitten> Anyone know what version of inotify is in the latest ubuntu kernel (hoary), or how to find it?
[09:33] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, depends. If you're not using fglrx/ati's drivers or nvidia's drivers or any driver that has a kernel module, yes.
[09:33] <racoontje|clone> ewhitten, look up the patchset?
[09:33] <ewhitten> racoontje|clone:  doh. you're right.
[09:33] <ewhitten> :)
[09:34] <tritium> Kenotic, nvidia?
[09:34] <Kenotic> racoontje|clone, I am using nvidia
[09:34] <tritium> Kenotic, no problem
[09:34] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, are you using the nvidia /DRIVER/
[09:34] <tritium> Kenotic, the new kernel works with the linux-restricted-modules
[09:34] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, ie the nvidia binary module
[09:34] <Kenotic> yeah but now I can not ker x to start
[09:34] <kahuna_> Hi. What would cause my PS2 keyboard and mouse to stop working after a custom kernel upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS>? I compiled the keyboard support right into the kernel.
[09:34] <racoontje|clone> or just the "nv" driver
[09:34] <Kenotic> nvidia
[09:34] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, why didn't you tell us the first time it broke and died ;-)
[09:34] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: that URL doesn't resolve here, anyway, for some reason...
[09:35] <tritium> Kenotic, what version of kernel and l-r-m do you have?
[09:35] <racoontje|clone> thoreauputic, right you are.
[09:35] <edulix> hey !
[09:35] <tritium> bruno, use a text editor to cut and then paste into pastebin
[09:35] <racoontje|clone> You'll just have to take my word for it then ;-)
[09:35] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: OK, I'll believe you :)
[09:35] <edulix> here someone who is trying to configure ssh to work over inet. it works locally perfectly,
[09:35] <Kenotic> I am using kernel 2.6.7-1 k7
[09:36] <Kenotic> oppss
[09:36] <Kenotic> kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-5-k7
[09:36] <edulix> I've configured the fireqwall port forwadding for tcp 22 to my pc, and people from inet even get asked for password. if they enter an invalid one, they are asked again. if they enter the right password, nothing more happens. it keeps waiting!
[09:37] <tritium> Kenotic, you're using Warty?
[09:37] <Kenotic> I have uninstalled the nvidia drivers and reinstalled them and can not seem to get it to come up
[09:37] <Kenotic> yep
[09:37] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, modprobe nvidia gives?
[09:37] <Kenotic> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> Aha!.
[09:38] <tritium> Kenotic, what version of linux-restricted-modules do you have?
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> apt-get remove l-r-m && apt-get install l-r-m
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> ?
[09:38] <edulix> when I talk about ssh, I mean sshd :)
[09:38] <tritium> Kenotic, it needs to match your kernel version exactly
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> tritium, does l-r-m contain nvidia
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> ?
[09:38] <tritium> racoontje|clone, yes
[09:38] <bruno> tritium: i can't get to the web on my ubuntu machine, ssh doesn't seem to work either..
[09:38] <Kenotic> <IP_ADDRESS>-5
[09:39] <tritium> Kenotic, it needs to match your kernel version exactly.  That's the proble.
[09:39] <tritium> problem.
[09:39] <Kenotic> tritium, updating now
[09:39] <tritium> bruno, oh...
[09:40] <Kenotic> That looks like it got it
[09:40] <Kenotic> going to restart x
[09:40] <edulix> uhm how about nvidia for hoary ?
[09:40] <edulix> I'm curious about that. with 2.6.10 of course
[09:41] <tritium> edulix, very good
[09:41] <kahuna_> this sucks. I've had nothing but problems with ubuntu trying to compile my own kernel.
[09:41] <tritium> edulix, what architecture?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> bruno: can you ping an IP? like  ping  <IP_ADDRESS>  ?
[09:41] <tritium> kahuna_, why bother?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> bruno: if so, you need nameservers in your /etc/resolv.conf
[09:42] <petterah> hi all :) are there any docs on the internet on howto setup ubuntu as terminal server, like a big school network or something? thanks
[09:42] <tritium> kahuna_, are you using make-kpkg (kernel-package)
[09:42] <edulix> tritium: i686
[09:42] <kahuna_> I need realtime capabilities with jack and it needs a security module to be compiled. For the security module, I need selinux support compiled in but it's not by default
[09:42] <edulix> I mena, x96
[09:42] <edulix> x86 :P
[09:42] <kahuna_> Yes, I'm use make-kpkg
[09:42] <edulix> or maybe just pc ?
[09:42] <tritium> edulix, you should be good to go
[09:43] <thoreauputic> petterah: not sure if Linux terminal Server runs on Ubuntu (LTSP project) Might be worth looking
[09:43] <tritium> kahuna_, I see...
[09:43] <Kenotic> tritium, That worked
[09:43] <Kenotic> thatnks
[09:43] <Kenotic> thanks
[09:43] <tritium> Kenotic, no problem :)
[09:43] <bruno> thoreauputic: i'm on line on my linux machine, i'm just wondering how to get the content of that config file to a web page (ie cut and paste). don't i need x to do that?
[09:43] <petterah> ok, ubuntu is stable and ok for server use right?
[09:43] <tritium> bruno, oh, that's right...no X
[09:43] <tritium> bruno, you can send it to me
[09:43] <thoreauputic> bruno: you can use cli ftp ( either ftp or lftp for instance)
[09:44] <tritium> petterah, Warty is
[09:44] <petterah> ok, thanks, i think its warty i have..
[09:44] <petterah> its the current stable release right?
[09:44] <petterah> and the next one isn't out yet ?
[09:44] <YankDownUnder> Arg....anyone have issues installing XFce on Hoarey?
[09:44] <edulix> tritium: oh, I remember that a few days ago I tried to download nvidia packages and I only found them for warty version. anyway, good to see that they're there!
[09:44] <thoreauputic> bruno: ah, sorry - misunderstood you I think
[09:45] <tritium> edulix, yes, been here all along, actually
[09:45] <bruno> thoreauputic, tritium: gotta run, thanks for all the help, i'll log on again tomorrow for a new session :)
[09:45] <bruno> bye for now
[09:45] <thoreauputic> bye bruno
[09:46] <tritium> bruno, see you
[09:46] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Long time no see mate
[09:46] <AndyR> lo all
[09:46] <Kenotic> tritium, I have a dumb question. What does l-r-m do?
[09:46] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: you've deserted the Mandrake fold then ;) ?
[09:47] <tritium> Kenotic, it contains "restricted" modules like nvidia and fglrx
[09:47] <H0lyD4wg> how do i make gnome use a WM other than metcity?
[09:47] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: I'm all Debian and Ubuntu now :)
[09:47] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Nah - just doing ubuntu for myself for testing => and for some servers
[09:47] <thoreauputic> aha
[09:47] <Octane> hi all, can someone please point me out to a good howto on installation? the wiki's installation ("firststeps") is kinda broken
[09:47] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Company that I'm doing work for us all Debian....up 'round UTS
[09:48] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: tried MDK 10.1 - nice, but I prefer apt-get to urpmi personally
[09:48] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: Ubuntu rocks - everything works out of the box here
[09:48] <Kenotic> tritium, Maybe it is just not me understanding how Debian and Ubuntu does things but why didnt installing the nvidia kernel give me the module?
[09:48] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Yeah - true - I prefer compiling everything I want on it's own though
[09:49] <evarlast> thoreauputic: have you found an equiv of urpmi_rpm-leaf-nodes ?
[09:49] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: you can do that on Debian/Ubuntu - I have a number of compiled things here
[09:49] <tritium> Kenotic, you installed nvidia-glx, not a kernel module
[09:49] <tritium> Kenotic, the module itself is in l-r-m
[09:49] <thoreauputic> evarlast: frankly I have no idea what that is :)
[09:49] <Kenotic> tritium, I really have nvidia-kernel-common installed
[09:50] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: checkinstall is nice for making a package from what you build
[09:50] <Kenotic> tritium, No big deal I was just wondering
[09:50] <tritium> Kenotic, yes, I know
[09:50] <tritium> Kenotic, but that contains other files
[09:50] <Kenotic> tritium, Just was a little confusing
[09:50] <tritium> Kenotic, "dpkg -L nvidia-kernel-common"
[09:51] <tritium> Kenotic, it doesn't contain anything in /lib/modules
[09:51] <evarlast> thoreauputic: it was a wonderful program that urpmi handles, and apt has no equivalent.  It finds orphaned packages.
[09:51] <Kenotic> I see that now
[09:51] <Pugio-Other> hello
[09:51] <Pugio-Other> and help
[09:51] <Kenotic> Now I know
[09:51] <LinuxJones> evarlast, deborphan
[09:51] <Pugio-Other> ubuntu just all of a sudden stopped startix X on boot
[09:51] <Pugio-Other> it seems to just entere runelevel 2
[09:52] <Pugio-Other> and that's it
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> deborphan -- Find orphaned libraries.
[09:52] <thoreauputic> evarlast: isn't there a deborphan program? Don't know if it's the same though
[09:52] <Pugio-Other> what happpppened to runlevel 5 or something?
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> Pugio-Other: runlevel 2-5 are exactly the same
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> Pugio-Other: if it's not starting X, it's probably broken in some way
[09:52] <tritium> also, aptitude and synaptic can find orphans
[09:53] <ZorroBytes> I've had a very recent problem with a sync with the latest in the repo
[09:53] <Pugio-Other> HrdwrBoB but it isn't
[09:53] <evarlast> indeed, thanks.  been looking for that for years.  So all i have to say is #debian can go to hell
[09:53] <bascule> is aptitude just an ncurses synaptic?
[09:53] <Pugio-Other> I'm on X right now
[09:53] <ZorroBytes> I was being logged out of Gnome within a few seconds
[09:53] <ZorroBytes> of trying to log in.
[09:53] <Pugio-Other> hrdwrBoB ty ping startx works perfectly
[09:54] <thoreauputic> evarlast: they are already there most of the time ;)
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> Pugio-Other: what about /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> (that's what ubuntu does)
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> evarlast: that's a common view :)
[09:54] <Pugio-Other> HrdwrBoB, I'll try , got to stop x
[09:54] <H0lyD4wg> am i automatically labelled a moron for wanting to use a WM other than metacity or something?
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> H0lyD4wg: not really
[09:55] <tritium> bascule, I don't believe they're related, but it's a good analogy
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> metacity isn't that bad though
[09:55] <thoreauputic> H0lyD4wg: heh - Havoc doesn't want you to!
[09:55] <bascule> tritium: OK, thnks, must/should just play eith it really and see :)
[09:56] <tritium> bascule, me too.  I really only use apt-get
[09:56] <zenrox> damn it
[09:56] <ZorroBytes> H0lyD4wg: xfce4 works pretty well on Ubuntu
[09:56] <zenrox> still broke
[09:56] <cevans> On a Dell D600 running hoary, whenever I restart, the clock is exactly one day too fast. Does anyone know what would cause this?
[09:56] <zenrox> tritium:  i am going to have to do a reinstall
[09:56] <dredg> H0lyD4wg: no no.. since removing metacity and using xfwm4 with gnome as the window manager my gnome experience has been more pleasant
[09:57] <khaled> cevans: BIOS ?
[09:57] <tritium> zenrox, that sounds like overkill
[09:57] <cevans> khaled: yes, that is what I am thinking.
[09:57] <zenrox> tritium: i have tried every thang and nothen works
[09:57] <H0lyD4wg> dredg, how did you tell it to use xfwm4 ?
[09:57] <khaled> cevans, yeh..try changing there
[09:58] <dredg> H0lyD4wg: run gnome-session-properties
[09:58] <dredg> find metacity in there
[09:58] <thoreauputic> H0lyD4wg: I think you can use update-alternatives, but I can't recall exactly how
[09:58] <neil> Hi everyone. I installed Ubuntu this morning, quite pleased with it, even though I've never really used Gnome before.
[09:58] <zenrox> tritium: i have tried reconfiguring the packages, uninstalling them reinstalling them, manuly installing them
[09:58] <dredg> change it's style from 'restart' to normal
[09:58] <zenrox> nothen works
[09:58] <dredg> hit apply, then from a terminal run 'killall metacity; xfwm4 &'
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> neil: excellent :)
[09:59] <WillCooke> Is anyone using a NOVA-T DVB card under ubuntu?
[09:59] <Octane> should i trust ubuntu's automatic disk paritioner
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> Octane: in terms of what?
[09:59] <zenrox> Octane: only if you do want to louse windows
[09:59] <H0lyD4wg> dredg, thanks :)
[09:59] <khaled> Octane, sure.. you will be given time to confirm
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Octane: depends what you are trying to do
[09:59] <cevans> dredg: How do you get the panel to be sticky after doing that?
[09:59] <neil> Well impressed! I'm just trying to make the transition from the KDE way of doing things to the Gnome way.
[10:01] <Octane> just trying to have a decent system! :)
[10:01] <dredg> cevans: can't remember. think i just restarted the panel
[10:01] <Octane> i see that it only creates an ext3 part and swap, not a boot one
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Octane: you can choose manual/assisted partitioning if you have a multi-partition system
[10:01] <cevans> dredg: Ok, that worked. Thank you.
[10:01] <Kenotic> When will hoary be able to be used
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Octane: you don't need separate /boot
[10:01] <dredg> cevans: np. just happy to have edge-flipping... mmm tastes sane :)
[10:01] <sri> kent: it did
[10:01] <cevans> Kenotic: I am using it now?
[10:01] <Octane> thoreauputic but i eventually want to dual boot with xp
[10:01] <sri> kent: and it made sense becuase prior to having my session problems, totem wasn't working
[10:01] <TraceyTux> I've got 2 hard disks, the first (hda) for Windows and the other (hdb) for Ubuntu. At the moment the data/software partitions on the 1st hard disk are C: and D: (the floppy is A:, my DVD drive is E: and my CD-RW burner is G:). I'd like to be able to see Windows on hda from Ubuntu on hdb. Is this possible, and if so how would I edit etc/fstab to achieve this?
[10:01] <Kenotic> cevans, How stable is it
[10:02] <Bandit> Kenotic i am using hoary as well
[10:02] <cevans> Kenotic: I had some trouble a few months ago, but it works very well now.
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Octane: I have a triple boot with XP, Debian and Ubuntu without a separate /boot partition: you don't need one
[10:02] <Bandit> at the moment stable
[10:02] <Octane> thoreauputic okay nice, so ill just have one ext3 and one swap
[10:02] <Octane> thank you for your guidance
[10:03] <LinuxJones> TraceyTux, >> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Octane: you just let grub install on MBR and act as the boot loader for all OS you have on the machine
[10:04] <thoreauputic> Octane: if I were you I'd install wintendo first though
[10:04] <thoreauputic> Octane: otherwise things get complicated fast
[10:05] <Pugio-Other> HrdwrBoB, no go
[10:05] <Pugio-Other> HrdwrBoB, gdm isn't starting
[10:05] <cevans> dredg: I forgot completely about edge-flipping. Xfwm is really much better.
[10:05] <Pugio-Other> and I don't know which log it's posting to
[10:05] <Pugio-Other> fdh
[10:08] <Pugio-Other> please somebody
[10:08] <Pugio-Other> X isn't starting at boot
[10:08] <Pugio-Other> cause gdm won't start
[10:08] <Kenotic> Bandit, After I add the repositories for hoary do I just do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:08] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, can you start gdm manually?
[10:09] <Bandit> yes
[10:09] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, no
[10:09] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, and I don't know where to get any error output from
[10:09] <Octane> python2.3 fails installing, says its either the cd or the network. is there a way to fix this in the install?
[10:09] <Octane> i mean, can i make the ubuntu installer download it
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> also
[10:10] <Ribs> Octane: Just cleaning the disc may be enough
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> is there supposed to be a nice pretty splash screen during ubuntu bootup?
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> cause all I see is ugly text
[10:10] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: No, that's coming in Hoary (probabily)
[10:10] <Ribs> pretty boot screens aren't really a prority
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> right
[10:10] <Octane> seriously
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> so, how come I can't get gdm to start?
[10:10] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: Pass
[10:11] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: Using warty, right?
[10:11] <Pugio-Other> yah
[10:11] <Octane> Ribs, is there a way to make it get it from ftp?
[10:11] <Ribs> Don't know then
[10:11] <Ribs> not with the information you've given
[10:11] <Ribs> Octane: not that I know of
[10:11] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, what happens when you do /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
[10:11] <Pugio-Other> nothing
[10:11] <Pugio-Other> whatsoever
[10:11] <Ribs> Octane: I've only used the install program twice, I'm not an expert on it
[10:11] <shock> oh great... now all my x11 apps under osx have the proper keyboard layout.... just not everything else
[10:12] <CarlK> If someone will help me get my sound working, I'll add the steps to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:12] <shock> YAK
[10:12] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, nothing happens, I just get a shell prompt
[10:12] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, you're running it with sudo right?
[10:12] <Pugio-Other> yeah
[10:13] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, yup, no difference, I've been getting some other (unrelated) errors regarding my "Xauthority" file
[10:13] <Pugio-Other> which may not be so unrelated
[10:13] <edulix> hi !
[10:13] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: Try renaming that file
[10:13] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: It could be thinking X is already running
[10:13] <edulix> now it works
[10:13] <edulix> the nvidia driver
[10:13] <edulix> I'm using xcompmgr now with it it in my hoary :)
[10:14] <Octane> what ver of hoary is out?
[10:14] <Pugio-Other> Ribs which file do you want me to rename?
[10:14] <edulix> didn't gnome 2.10 manage the composite extension by itself?
[10:14] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, normall you would get some kind of error message if it won't work
[10:14] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, you can look at /var/log/XOrg.log or smth like that
[10:14] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: the XAuthority file it's complaining about
[10:14] <Bandit> Octane hoary has not been released yet..Its still in testing
[10:14] <Octane> Bandit i know, but im sure its public testing
[10:14] <Pugio-Other> Ribs ok
[10:14] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, looking...
[10:15] <Bandit> Octane check out the channel topic
[10:15] <Octane> god damnit i cant believe my god damn cd's integrity is f'd
[10:15] <Octane> this is the second cd
[10:15] <Ribs> Octane: There probabily is a way of doing a net-install
[10:15] <Pugio-Other> Ribs and Loevborg, hang on gotta log out of X (startx works)_
[10:15] <Pugio-Other> let me try it
[10:15] <CarlK> Octane - are you in teh middle of an install?
[10:15] <Octane> CarlK yes
[10:15] <Ribs> Octane: I just don't know it :) Google for it
[10:15] <Octane> just one file's integrity
[10:16] <edulix> how can I automatically exectue xcompmgr -fc when I enter gnome ?
[10:16] <Haukkari> hey, can anyone figure out all these games (pictures of the games in there and a textfield besides): http://ses.blog.hu/game/prog/index.pl
[10:16] <Silvergun> i've dl'd and installed the Warty iso twice, but install always fails at the package kernel-386...?
[10:16] <Haukkari> Yeah, off-topic, big deal. =)
[10:16] <CarlK> Octane - does Alt-F2, get you to a promt?
[10:17] <edulix> 08. half-life
[10:17] <Octane> yah im in console
[10:17] <CarlK> Octane - I did this yeterday: wget http://my.local.server/temp/hoary...iso
[10:17] <CarlK> umount /cdrom
[10:17] <edulix> :P
[10:17] <CarlK> mount -o loop hoary.iso /cdrom
[10:18] <CarlK> (I was surprised the umount worked)
[10:18] <Octane> CarlK your internet is probably faster than mine :)
[10:18] <CarlK> Octane - I had the iso on another box running apache
[10:18] <Octane> ahhhh, smartttt!
[10:18] <CarlK> took 15min over a 11mb wifi car
[10:18] <Octane> i now remember!
[10:18] <Octane> i have it on another box as well
[10:18] <Octane> good idea!
[10:18] <CarlK> ding ding!
[10:18] <Octane> ta ad!
[10:18] <Octane> da*
[10:19] <CarlK> I know I was when it worked for me
[10:19] <TraceyTux> Thanks for the help with my 1st question, here's another! Last week I bought a Belkin Hi-Speed Usb 2.0 7-port Hub (the one with the top loading feature).  The packaging and documentation only mention Windows and Mac OS, so will it work with Ubuntu, as I've heard the distro has the full Project Utopia, so should support USB?
[10:20] <CarlK> maybe that should be my first wiki contribution: something I succeeded at ;)
[10:20] <thoreauputic> CarlK: yes, that would help a lot of people I imagine
[10:21] <Octane> CarlK you can add a testimonial of mine if this works :)
[10:22] <CarlK> anyone know what other netowrk transfers are supported? (wget was my first try, so I didn't try ftp, nfs, scp...)
[10:22] <thoreauputic> CarlK: nfs is a bit of a pain to set up just for a download
[10:23] <CarlK> thoreauputic - easier than setting up apache? ;)
[10:23] <thoreauputic> heh - yes I guess so ! :)
[10:23] <Octane> hey CarlK , wher did you wget it to?
[10:23] <thoreauputic> I thought you already had apache set up ;)
[10:24] <CarlK> Octane - into /target
[10:24] <Octane> yah just as you said that i cd'd there
[10:24] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: not really
[10:24] <|QuaD-> i hate windows!!! i am on my office pc and just got a virus!
[10:24] <CarlK> thoreauputic "I" do, but not everyone has this forsight
[10:24] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install nfs-user-server
[10:25] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, no go
[10:25] <HrdwrBoB> sudo vi /etc/exports
[10:25] <HrdwrBoB> mount othercomputer:/dir remote
[10:25] <Pugio-Other> I can't find a single reason  or log entry as to why gdm isn't starting
[10:25] <Octane> could not find a spare loop device"
[10:25] <Pugio-Other> anyojne know why gdm wouldn't start on ubuntu?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: ah - OK I got nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common, but I had to do some digging to get exports set up and hosts.allow etc
[10:26] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: but I'm a novice, really
[10:26] <CarlK> HrdwrBoB - can you mount nfs from the setup's kernel?
[10:26] <Sav> Can i only use firestarter for 1 network device at a time?
[10:26] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, you're not being helpful
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: nfs is still somewhat annoying
[10:26] <Octane> CarlK, see the error i get?
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> CarlK: you can see in /proc/filesystems
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> CarlK: I beleive that you should be able to, however I've not certain
[10:27] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  I know, but I don't know where to look
[10:27] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  really I tried
[10:27] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: also there was an obscure default I had to disable to get portmap working
[10:27] <CarlK> Octane - error?
[10:27] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  it's just plain NOT starting, waith no reason why
[10:27] <Octane> mount says it cant find a spare loop device
[10:27] <mmuller> why when i update does ubuntu hoary lose its nice cursor ?
[10:28] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: ahr, yes, you're right :)
[10:28] <CarlK> Octane - that sucks... wonder what the problem is
[10:28] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, :( you really should scan the log file. you can also upload it somewhere so we can have a look.
[10:28] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  I DID SCAN the file, there's nothing whatsoever
[10:29] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, it's empty?
[10:29] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  I checked all the last modification times
[10:29] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, which log specifically do you want?
[10:29] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  the "XFree..." one?
[10:29] <Pugio-Other> or "XF ... sorry
[10:29] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, yes probably
[10:30] <Octane> hey CarlK
[10:30] <Octane> add this to your wiki
[10:30] <Octane> if u get a a could not find spare loop device
[10:30] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, it's not empty, but it doesn't show anything...oh I'l justa double check it hang on
[10:31] <Octane> user should do modprobe loop
[10:31] <CarlK> no kidding
[10:31] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, ok, so where do you want me to post it too?
[10:31] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  the flood channel?
[10:31] <cavediver> Am I the only one with a xmms crasching whila playing mp3 ?
[10:32] <Octane> get amarock!
[10:32] <CarlK> cavediver - you are 3 steps ahead of me.  I am still trying to get it to load a driver ;)
[10:32] <cavediver> That's like i kde-thing right? :)
[10:32] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, http://rafb.net/paste/
[10:32] <cavediver> CarlK: I see :=)
[10:32] <hawkman> Anyone else experience Gaim being unstable and closing after some time ? seems it only started doing t after I used it to log into MSN as well as ICQ instead of using amsn for msn.
[10:32] <thoreauputic> amarok is very nice
[10:32] <Sav> Can i only use firestarter for 1 network device at a time?
[10:33] <Octane> it is, to be honest, its one of the main reasons im switching to linux, lol
[10:33] <cavediver> My gaim is rock-solid. Can not say the sama about xmms and mplayer.
[10:33] <Octane> try xine?
[10:33] <njan> hawkman, in my experience, the MSN portion of gaim breaks more often than other protocols. Whenever gaim is iffy for me, it's when I'm doing something with MSN.
[10:34] <thoreauputic> njan: what a surprise :/ (not)
[10:34] <njan> thoreauputic, yeah. MSN disconnects with random 'authentication failures' about every 45 minutes for me, too.
[10:34] <njan> thoreauputic, the MSN server administrator has a cron job running every 45 minutes which disconnects clients which are !MSNMessenger
[10:34] <njan> :)
[10:35] <thoreauputic> njan: yeah, that sounds totally in character :/
[10:35] <TraceyTux> No-one has answered my question!!!
[10:35] <SiRrUs> well well boys and girls I am back
[10:35] <njan> TraceyTux, you didn't put enough exclamation marks on the end of it :)
[10:35] <njan> TraceyTux, if you reask it and I know the answer, I'll give it to you! :)
[10:36] <Ribs> HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:36] <Ribs> \o/
[10:36] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, ok hang on
[10:37] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB:  that file was /etc/default/portmap ( changed by commenting the line that restricts it to listening only on <IP_ADDRESS> - how we are supposed to know that's there is beyond me ....
[10:37] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, http://rafb.net/paste/results/wB2lgW77.html
[10:37] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, that's it
[10:37] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: I imagine that's a showstopper for most nfs beginners...
[10:37] <TraceyTux> Thanks for the help with my 1st question, here's another! Last week I bought a Belkin Hi-Speed Usb 2.0 7-port Hub (the one with the top loading feature).  The packaging and documentation only mention Windows and Mac OS, so will it work with Ubuntu, as I've heard the distro has the full Project Utopia, so should support USB?!!!!!
[10:37] <cavediver> I'm looking in the multimedia selection thing. And it is set to ESD, not ALSA or OSS. They don't seem to work. Can that cause the problem
[10:38] <Ribs> TraceyTux: Don't ask us. Google will have the answer with such things
[10:38] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, well it worked!
[10:38] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, ???
[10:38] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, probably that's the log of your current X session, isn't it?
[10:38] <Ribs> TraceyTux: you could just plug it in and see if it 'just works'
[10:38] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  yup,
[10:38] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, why not send the one that FAILED?
[10:38] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, no new data is generated when I run the gdm
[10:38] <jesuel> Ribs, thats always fun to do ;p
[10:38] <thoreauputic> cavediver: esound is currently broken in Hoary
[10:39] <Ribs> nah
[10:39] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, NONe of them failed
[10:39] <Ribs> hotplugging memory is fun to do ;)
[10:39] <jesuel> lol
[10:39] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, ..
[10:39] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, the gdm command just doesn't work, it doesn't write anything to the log
[10:39] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, gdm won't start but "startx" opens up a gnome/x session
[10:39] <cavediver> thoreauputic: really? That could be a explenation maybe. But why isn't alsa working ?
[10:39] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, in whatever user is currently logged in to the shell
[10:40] <cavediver> could not construct alsa pipeline it sais when testing it.
[10:40] <thoreauputic> cavediver: I'm no sound expet I'm afraid, but all three are interlinked and related
[10:40] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, that's highly unlikely, it should at least say _something_ if you rund "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"
[10:40] <thoreauputic> oss. alsa. esd
[10:42] <hawkman> Anyone know any IRdA apps I can use to transfer files to my cellphone on linux.
[10:42] <SiRrUs> thoreauputic esound is broke?
[10:42] <thoreauputic> apparently, yes
[10:42] <SiRrUs> hmmm it was working
[10:43] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:43] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:43] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.   I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:43] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:43] <oneiFreak> TraceyTux, #000000
[10:43] <hawkman> first time even
[10:44] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Paganist: Ubuntu, Ubuntu my friend... look it up
[10:44] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.   I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.   I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:44] <SiRrUs> guys just put the kid on ignore
[10:45] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:45] <Lindo> that's the stuff you get without ops in a channel :/
[10:45] <MaRtIn_> TraceyTux: stop already
[10:45] <MaRtIn_> TraceyTux: stop already
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Paganist: just no need or rudeness, that's all
[10:45] <alindeman> MaRtIn_: Just one sec
[10:45] <Paganist> :)
[10:45] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.    What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:47] <nxsEbmil> how can i assign a program to F12 fonction key ?
[10:47] <CarlK> see ya
[10:48] <jesuel> TraceyTux: ENOUGH, if someone dont answer you here, then go rftm and stfuplease
[10:48] <Pugio-Other> Question: GDM won't start and I can't figure out why
[10:48] <adam_> hello, I just got ubuntu, no idea what I'm doin
[10:48] <Octane> Agrajag im talk about from the options in the installer
[10:48] <Octane> telling me to choose a kernel of the 4
[10:48] <Agrajag> oh, I haven't seen the installer in ages
[10:48] <Agrajag> what 4 kernels are given as options?
[10:48] <thoreauputic>   /ignore TraceyTux
[10:49] <Octane> linux-image-386, linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386, linux-image-2.6-386 and linux-386
[10:49] <rapha> TraceyTux: if you like that teal I think what you need not is a hex number, but instead you shall go and see a psychologist.
[10:49] <Octane> im assumign linux-386 is a symlink to one of them?
[10:49] <Agrajag> uhm, I think those all install the same thing
[10:49] <Pugio-Other> GENERAL question does anyone have /usr/bin/gdm in thei system?
[10:49] <Agrajag> not a symlink, but a metapackage
[10:49] <Agrajag> I think linux-386 should do it
[10:49] <Pluk> Octane, you need linux-image-k7
[10:49] <Agrajag> after you install you should install linux-k7
[10:49] <jesuel> Pugio-Other, id say alot of us have it
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Pugio-Other: ~ $ which gdm
[10:49] <Agrajag> Pluk: that's not in the instakller
[10:49] <thoreauputic> /usr/bin/gdm
[10:49] <Octane> ill change my kernel later
[10:49] <Agrajag> installer
[10:50] <Pluk> ah
[10:50] <jesuel> Pugio-Other: have you tried /etc/init.d/gdm start?
[10:50] <Octane> thanks Agrajag , Pluk
[10:50] <piratePenguin> what package do I need to install to get the X11/StringDefs.h header file? I already have the X11 headers, but am missing StringDefs.h and other ones...
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Pugio-Other: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[10:51] <Octane> mmm grub
[10:51] <CarlK> Octane - hows the mount loop thing working out?
[10:51] <ImagistTD> does anybody know how to access grub to make changes during the install?
[10:51] <Octane> "rebooting my new ubuntu system"!!1
[10:51] <CarlK> right on
[10:51] <Octane> CarlK you are a genius among men
[10:51] <thoreauputic> dpkg -S StringDefs.h
[10:51] <thoreauputic> libxt-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/StringDefs.h
[10:51] <Octane> K stands for krad
[10:51] <jesuel> ...
[10:51] <Pugio-Other> thoreauputic, ah hah! I don't have /usr/bin/gdm
[10:52] <CarlK> what version/setup and step were you on?
[10:52] <Pugio-Other> thoreauputic, no wonder /etc/init.d/gdm hasn't been working
[10:52] <Pugio-Other> Now HOW did I lose /usr/bin/gdm
[10:52] <jesuel> Pugio-Other, i ate it
[10:52] <piratePenguin> thoreauputic: thanks :D
[10:52] <thoreauputic> piratePenguin: dpkg -S is useful ;)
[10:53] <piratePenguin> thoreauputic: heh, yea.. thanks
[10:53] <jesuel> Pugio-Other: perhaps sudo apt-get install gdm
[10:53] <thoreauputic> :) you're welcome
[10:54] <TraceyTux> I've been on google and found the info I wanted - thanks for your help!
[10:54] <Pugio-Other> jesuel, yeah that's what I'm doing, but it's sooo weird
[10:54] <Pugio-Other> ok, now to the next issue
[10:54] <CarlK> anyone know what step of server-expert installs bsdutils?
[10:54] <Pugio-Other> sound isn't working on a n nforc2 AC97
[10:54] <Pugio-Other> anyone?
[10:54] <Octane> i get an error when i go to "set up users and passwords"
[10:54] <Octane> "passwd is not installed"
[10:54] <jesuel> now i have no idea about nforce2 :)
[10:55] <CarlK> Octane - warty or hoary?
[10:55] <Octane> warty
[10:55] <rellik> how can I find out what is using my sound (and blocking all other processes from using sound)? 'lsof /dev/dsp' says esd but who's using the esd?
[10:58] <ImagistTD> I'm trying to install linux on a Dell Inspiron 1100.  Whenever I get to "Loading Components of the Ubuntu Installer" the program hangs when it reaches " Retrieving nic-extra-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386-di".  I tried passing "pci=noacpi noapic" to the installer, but it didn't work.  I tried a few other combinations similar to that, and they didn't work either.  I also tried disabling the framebuffer as well, still no good.
[10:58] <ImagistTD> Is it possible to pass a parameter to the installer that will keep it from even trying to retrieve the module?
[10:58] <CarlK> ImagistTD - hit Alt-F4 (or f?) and see if it flips to a VT showing what it is doing
[10:58] <ImagistTD> If so, what parameter.
[10:59] <ImagistTD> Okay, I'll be back in just a second.
[11:06] <CarlK> I need a wiki topic that is better than RecoveryFromBadInstallCD
[11:07] <ImagistTD> Okay, I'm back.
[11:07] <CarlK> anyone good at editing this wiki? - I am not sure how I should add to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupHowTos ?
[11:08] <SiRrUs> well thats good
[11:09] <Khan> Hello
[11:09] <SiRrUs> hello
[11:09] <Khan> I was hoping I could get some help.
[11:09] <stijn_> hi
[11:10] <CarlK> Khan - you need to type somethings
[11:10] <CarlK> maybe read the screen too
[11:10] <Khan> I installed Ubuntu and started to boot it up for the first time afterwards.
[11:10] <ImagistTD> I hit Alt-F4 when the install started to hang.  The info was flashing by fast, but I did get "user.warn anna[4325]  WARNING **: bad md5sum
[11:10] <farruinn> ImagistTD: bad disc maybe?
[11:11] <CarlK> damm, tis the day for bad cd's
[11:11] <Khan> Then it stopped at "Starting hotplug subsystem" and wouldnt go any farther.
[11:11] <Zotnix> Khan, did you try rebooting once more? Ubuntu got stuck on me on that... then it never did again.
[11:11] <ImagistTD> farruin: I don't think so
[11:11] <|junit|> Hello
[11:11] <ImagistTD> i'll reburn it though
[11:11] <Khan> Yes I tried rebooting a couple times.
[11:12] <ImagistTD> CarlK: to add to the wiki, you have to sign up
[11:12] <petterah> this ubuntu enterprise edition, any info on it?
[11:12] <Zotnix> khaled, do you have any external USB devices attached the your computer?
[11:13] <|junit|> Is the Hoary install CD confirmed faulty?
[11:13] <CarlK> no - just 3 bad burns
[11:13] <SiRrUs> |junit| the array 4 iso is fine
[11:15] <ImagistTD> seeyas, off to try my new burn
[11:16] <Cerbeertje> bye
[11:17] <|junit|> SiRrUs: Well, it didn't work for me and one other guy, it installs the base files, but then it doesn't continue the install after reboot, it just goes to aptitue
[11:17] <|junit|> aptitude
[11:18] <SiRrUs> |junit| i just installed array 4 and i think it works :)
[11:18] <farruinn> |junit|: I've seen that happen.  just install ubuntu-desktop or some metapackage that will pull in everything else you need
[11:20] <ImagistTD> nope, the new cd didn't work
[11:20] <|junit|> And one more question regarding partitioning... does it matter if a partition is logical or primary =/, what is the difference?
[11:20] <Pugio-Other> hi, I can't get my sound working on Warty using an nforce2 AC97
[11:20] <ImagistTD> is there any way to control which modules are retrieved by the installer?
[11:20] <Pugio-Other> any ideas?
[11:21] <farruinn> ImagistTD: have you tried 'expert'? that gives you some control
[11:22] <ImagistTD> yeah, I tried expert, but I didn't know what I was doing, so it didn't help much
[11:22] <Pugio-Other> on warty, the sound control bar just keeps stayint at 0 any attempts to raise it do not wokr
[11:22] <hitu_> hello
[11:22] <ImagistTD> farruin: as far as I coult tell, there was no way to set which modules loaded
[11:22] <CarlK> anyone up on MoinMoin markup?
[11:23] <hitu_> i m tryin extract a .rar
[11:23] <sgteich> Is there a way to change my screen resolution to 1600X1280 - It's not listed under system config - screen resolution - I did add it to my XF86Config file.....
[11:23] <ImagistTD> I've been trying to install warty, and it hasn't been working
[11:23] <hitu_> i dont have rar/unrar installed
[11:23] <bascule> unrar x that.rar
[11:23] <ImagistTD> is it worth a try to try hoary?
[11:23] <hitu_> can i use tar to extract it ?
[11:23] <bascule> no
[11:23] <randabis> hitu_, you need unrar-nonfree
[11:23] <hitu_> i tried installing rar/unrar
[11:23] <Cerbeertje> Why can't i play my Divx movies with totem in Ubuntu?
[11:23] <Pugio-Other> anyone? sound with an nforce2 on warty?
[11:24] <bascule> Cerbeertje: win32-codec and ffmpeg4
[11:24] <randabis> Pugio-Other, dunno...worked ootb for me with nforce2 audio...soundstorm though
[11:24] <hitu_> okay
[11:24] <bascule> ffmpeg-gstreamer or something like that apt-cache search them
[11:24] <Cerbeertje> ok thx bascule
[11:24] <bascule> np
[11:25] <hitu_> ebag: Couldn't find package unrar-nonfree
[11:25] <randabis> hitu_, might be in multiverse
[11:25] <hitu_> multiverse ?
[11:25] <hitu_> i tried apt-get install rar unrar
[11:25] <randabis> yep, another repo
[11:26] <Octane> im getting a million errors
[11:26] <hitu_> can u give me a link to the repo list ?
[11:26] <randabis> add multiverse to your universe lines in sources.list
[11:26] <hitu_> okay
[11:26] <blah09> hi i upgraded to hoary on another machine, now i get the following error when logging into gnome: your session only lasted less than 10 seconds, if you have not logged out yourself this could mean that there is some installation problem
[11:26] <randabis> then apt-get update
[11:26] <blah09> anyone know what might be causing that? nvidia drivers?
[11:26] <randabis> blah09, more than likely an x-config issue
[11:27] <Pugio-Other> randabis soundstrom?
[11:27] <Pluk> i had that last time the file .ICEauthority had root ownership
[11:27] <Pluk> removed that file fixed it
[11:27] <kent> blah09, i had that problem before. It was fixed later though. Perhaps you need to upgrade again? (slow mirror?)
[11:27] <blah09> hm
[11:27] <randabis> Pugio-Other, yes, the soundchip that comes with nforce 2 ultra 400 boards
[11:27] <blah09> ill try that
[11:27] <Pugio-Other> randabis oh
[11:28] <Lindo|away> blah09
[11:28] <blah09> ?
[11:28] <blah09> yep?
[11:28] <Lindo|away> i have the same problem !
[11:28] <blah09> hehe
[11:28] <randabis> omg u killed kenny
[11:28] <Lindo|away> don't know how to cure it ;(
[11:28] <blah09> did you get it fixed?
[11:28] <blah09> =(
[11:28] <Lindo|away> nope it's still there
[11:28] <blah09> it worked perfectly on my notebook
[11:28] <hitu_> cool
[11:28] <hitu_> it worked
[11:28] <hitu_> :D
[11:28] <hitu_> thanks randabis
[11:28] <randabis> you're welcome
[11:29] <Lindo|away> it only happened after i switched to ReiserFS, don't know if that is the cause :S
[11:29] <kent> blah09, it worked for me when i upgraded again later on. Do you use a mirror for ubuntu?
[11:29] <randabis> I use a comb
[11:29] <Lindo|away> blah09 what file system do you use ?
[11:29] <hitu_> plays Title: ( Klopfgeister - Traumpatrouille ) Time: ( 0:01/9:52 (0%) ) BitRate: ( 128 kbit/s - 44100 Hz )
[11:29] <blah09> i upgraded to array 4 from cd, then did an upgrade
[11:29] <Sav> Can i only use firestarter for 1 network device at a time?
[11:29] <blah09> reiserfs
[11:29] <Lindo|away> hmmm
[11:29] <randabis> upgrade? maybe a clean install would be better
[11:30] <blah09> hm
[11:30] <CarlK> does anyone here edit ubuntu wiki pages?  I can't find the formatting docs
[11:30] <Lindo> i'm going to see if i get the same problem with ext3
[11:30] <randabis> file system should not matter Lindo
[11:30] <Lindo> don't know what else to try
[11:30] <Lindo> hmmm
[11:30] <Octane> i dont understand why im getting so many errors'
[11:30] <blah09> odd thing is that it worked flawlessly on the notebook, warty-> hoary i mean
[11:30] <Octane> i have done nothing wrong!
[11:30] <Pugio-Other> what do you all use to play dvd's?
[11:31] <Pugio-Other> casuse totem doesn't work too well
[11:31] <blah09> pugio i use xine
[11:31] <kairo> humm.. evolution-exchange have's a bug on the libcamel1.2-3 :(
[11:31] <Lindo> same here blah09
[11:31] <Agrajag> xine
[11:31] <[amasimak] > mplayer
[11:31] <[amasimak] > totem-xine
[11:31] <randabis> blah09, upgrading is hit or miss...clean install usually gives the best results
[11:31] <blah09> lindo does your desktop have an nvidia card?
[11:31] <Octane> upgrading my packages fails via apt, i cant create a new user
[11:31] <blah09> oh =/
[11:31] <Pugio-Other> are those available through the normal apt-get for warty, or do I need to enable universae?
[11:31] <Octane> just a million and one things going wrong
[11:31] <Lindo> blah09 nope ati radeon
[11:31] <blah09> ok so its not the nvidia
[11:31] <blah09> drivers
[11:31] <Lindo> heh :P
[11:32] <[amasimak] > Pugio-Other, for totem-xine, you need universe
[11:32] <blah09> sound also doesnt work on that machine (intel high def), fresh install might be best
[11:32] <blah09> since hoary is supposed to support that out of the box
[11:32] <Lindo> i did a clean install followed directly with the upgrades and it still happened
[11:32] <blah09> oh
[11:32] <blah09> have you tried another wm?
[11:32] <randabis> Lindo, likely an x-config problem
[11:32] <Lindo> no blah09
[11:33] <CarlK> Octane - ta da: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveryFromBadInstallCD
[11:33] <CarlK> and now, back to my sound fun
[11:33] <Lindo> anyway of taking care of it randabis ?
[11:33] <randabis> Lindo, one thing to try is to set your video driver to vesa in xorg.conf
[11:33] <hitu_> how do i search for files installed by a .deb ?
[11:34] <randabis> then when you have a working system you can install your fglrx drivers
[11:34] <Agrajag> dpkg-query -L I think
[11:34] <hitu_> ok
[11:34] <Agrajag> check the manual, I may be wrong
[11:34] <Lindo> very weird
[11:34] <hitu_> cool
[11:35] <neiras> Where do I report undetected hardware during installation?
[11:35] <tweek> to gravity
[11:35] <tweek> :)
[11:36] <tweek> nvm....
[11:36] <neiras> I wish :P
[11:36] <randabis> neiras, maybe bugzilla
[11:36] <neiras> Most ISA sound cards aren't noticed by the installer
[11:36] <neiras> randabis: thanks
[11:36] <tweek> why are you useing isa =\
[11:36] <Lindo> randabis don't know why it's happened. hoary was running great, with ext2. this mornin i did a format to ReiserFS and a clean reinstall, and now i cant get into gnome anymore...
[11:37] <randabis> try what I suggested
[11:37] <neiras> Because Ubuntu is bringing new life to old boxes of friends and family, tweek
[11:37] <tweek> neiras, try blue cat... i beleive its for older comps
[11:37] <Lindo> ok will do
[11:37] <Lindo> hope it'll work
[11:37] <neiras> tweek: Ubuntu works fine on these boxes - I am just trying to help with hardware detection
[11:37] <CarlK> I have hoary running on a compaq armada 7770 laptop, which has isa sound
[11:37] <tweek> ah
[11:37] <tweek> ok
[11:37] <neiras> hmm
[11:38] <neiras> CarlK, what chipset?
[11:38] <neiras> It's failed to recognize an original Creative SB16 and an ESS Audiodrive here
[11:38] <randabis> hmm weird...those should be detected
[11:38] <CarlK> ESS1878
[11:38] <neiras> Odd
[11:39] <randabis> you could modprobe them, verify they work, then add to /etc/modules
[11:39] <neiras> that's what I did to make them work in the end
[11:39] <randabis> they still should work ootb though I know :/
[11:39] <neiras> I just can't see why the installer wouldn't see them
[11:39] <randabis> yeah that sucks
[11:40] <neiras> Oh, also, there are 2 modules that fail loading (This is Warty) on every machine I've installed it on
[11:40] <neiras> And the boot splash doesn't work
[11:40] <CarlK> what does this imply: carl@ubuntu:~$ aplay -l; aplay: device_list:200: no soundcards found...
[11:40] <randabis> there is no bootsplash
[11:40] <neiras> oh, ok
[11:40] <randabis> only the livecd has that
[11:40] <neiras> assumed there would be
[11:40] <randabis> yeah
[11:40] <randabis> unfortunately hoary won't have one either
[11:41] <neiras> Compatibility concerns?
[11:41] <randabis> no, ubuntu's splash development fell off the rocker and just won't make it
[11:41] <CarlK> neiras - that is 2 words too many on that subject ;)
[11:41] <neiras> I heard Ubuntu was working on a kick-ass bootsplash thing that had transitions and other eye candy
[11:41] <sladen> mmm, yes,  That's be my fault
[11:41] <neiras> everyone was all thrilled
[11:42] <neiras> Ubuntu's really bringing some much-needed polish into things
[11:42] <neiras> great to see
[11:42] <randabis> I don't see why fbsplash can't be used
[11:42] <neiras> or gensplash
[11:42] <sladen> neiras: you can play with the v1 demo code.  http://www.paul.sladen.org/projects/usplash/download/  but the v2 code didn't make it for Hoary
[11:43] <neiras> sladen, thanks... I'll grab that tonight and have a look
[11:43] <sladen> randabis: fbsplash/gensplash didn't exist at the time we started trying to solve the problem!
[11:43] <randabis> gensplash rocks :)
[11:43] <randabis> sladen, ah
[11:44] <neiras> haha
[11:44] <neiras> So, how do I get a job at Canonical?
[11:44] <neiras> Will relocate and work for a pittance to be part of it :D
[11:44] <randabis> I sell your soul to mark shuttleworth lolz
[11:44] <neiras> geez
[11:44] <neiras> that sounds scary
[11:44] <randabis> it was a joke
[11:45] <INRSboy> first start with ubuntu
[11:45] <INRSboy> seems cool !!
[11:45] <neiras> Almost as scary as choosing Python over Ruby for the scripty language of choice
[11:45] <randabis> nice
[11:45] <randabis> neiras, indeed :p
[11:45] <neiras> Welcome, INRSboy
[11:45] <INRSboy> neirqs:thanks
[11:46] <randabis> it isn't too bad though...python is useful...just look at portage
[11:46] <neiras> I know, I'm a gentooist by night... I just can't stand working in it
[11:46] <CarlK> can I get some samples of $ aplay -l
[11:47] <CarlK> just pm me with the 5 or so lines.
[11:47] <neiras> I've been Rubying for two or three years now and I'm spoiled
[11:47] <randabis> hehe...gentoo here too...ubuntu is on the laptop, dual boot ubuntu and gentoo here (though that is going to change)
[11:47] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, this is a completely un-Ubuntu-related question, but I figured it would be the quickest place to get an answer: is anyone here from the UK?
[11:48] <randabis> yea I've heard awesome things about ruby
[11:48] <pauldaoust> (and, if so, what measurements for height and weight do you use most often? imperial or metric?)
[11:48] <Ribs> pauldaoust: At this time of night?
[11:48] <Ribs> Are you crazy?
[11:48] <randabis> they use metric iirc
[11:48] <pauldaoust> Ribs: it's only 10:00
[11:48] <Ribs> and we use feet and inches to measure a persons height
[11:48] <pauldaoust> (over there)
[11:48] <randabis> ah
[11:48] <pauldaoust> Ribs: who's we? American?
[11:48] <Ribs> British
[11:49] <Ribs> And it's quarter to eleven, for your information
[11:49] <randabis> so imperial
[11:49] <pauldaoust> whoa, confused
[11:49] <blah09> ok im back in gnome
[11:49] <pauldaoust> too many people talking to me :)
[11:49] <blah09> after doing an apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:49] <randabis> excellent
[11:49] <pauldaoust> Ribs: oh, I thought you guys were only nine hours ahead of us in the west :)
[11:49] <pauldaoust> I meant to say randabis: who's we (not Ribs)
[11:49] <Ribs> our clocks change twice a year
[11:49] <Ribs> the joys of daylight savings time
[11:50] <randabis> pauldaoust, I never said "we" I said they
[11:50] <Ribs> I said we
[11:50] <Ribs> as I'm British
[11:50] <lonewolff> thanx a lot for the help earlier people, i got my friend to upgrade to hoary and now sound works fine, just need to tackle the pcmcia issue tommorrow then we have another windows convert
[11:50] <Ribs> innit
[11:50] <CarlK> my clock changes every second ;)
[11:50] <pauldaoust> randabis: blast, you're right
[11:50] <pauldaoust> head spinning
[11:50] <CarlK> till the bettery runs out
[11:50] <Ribs> I'm really pale, and I throw teabags at people
[11:50] <pauldaoust> Ribs: sorry, I just have bad math. it's 2:50, and I only added seven istead of eight :)
[11:50] <Ribs> and call people 'wanker'
[11:50] <pauldaoust> Ribs: reeeeeeeally
[11:50] <pauldaoust> :)
[11:50] <Ribs> I'm a stereotype!
[11:51] <pauldaoust> Ribs: and I bet you put that strange chemical called 'petrol' into your car, right? :)
[11:51] <Ribs> yes
[11:51] <Ribs> our cars run of a liquid
[11:51] <Ribs> not a 'gas'
[11:51] <blah09> lol
[11:51] <pauldaoust> Ribs: too true, heh heh
[11:51] <Stereotype> Cars run off of vapors.-_-
[11:51] <Ribs> Little Britian is a very good documentary on British life
[11:51] <pauldaoust> Ribs: I'm only three generations Canadian myself, so there are still bits of English lingo running around in our family
[11:51] <INRSboy> i'm new on ubuntu and with debian distrib. Can some one tell me how to install a .deb package ?
[11:52] <lonewolff> Ribs: LOL
[11:52] <pauldaoust> we're the only people I know who still call our mothers 'mum'......
[11:52] <Pluk> INRSboy, dpkg -i package
[11:52] <Ribs> If people want to buy a pet, they go to a pet shop
[11:52] <Ribs> if people want to buy a pet shop, they go to a pet shop shop
[11:52] <INRSboy> Pluk:thank's
[11:52] <mattb_> i'm trying to setup a cellular modem pccard which i know is supported under linux
[11:52] <Ribs> if they want to buy a pet shop shop, they are just being filly
[11:52] <pauldaoust> Ribs: whoa
[11:52] <Pluk> yw
[11:52] <Ribs> silly*
[11:52] <Khan> Hello Everyone: A bit of a problem here. I got Ubuntu installed, no problem. BUT When I go to boot it up for the first time it stops the process at "Starting Hotplug Subsystem". I tried restarting a couple of times and it didnt work. Has anyone ever heard of this problem?
[11:52] <mattb_> and works successfully in 2.4 with pcmcia
[11:52] <nisse2> I need help here. Thin
[11:52] <mattb_> any pointers on how to do this in warty with hotplug?
[11:52] <pauldaoust> INRSboy: don't forget to put sudo before the command; you need administrator privileges to run dpkg -i
[11:53] <sladen> neiras: you don't need to relocate to work for Canonical
[11:53] <pauldaoust> Ribs: har har har
[11:53] <INRSboy> ok thank's
[11:53] <CarlK> can someone tell me why aplay -l gives me 3 entries? http://paste.phpfi.com/51445
[11:53] <neiras> sladen: Well, if I relocate can I still work there?  Installed every extra packae now. gDesklet with ubuntu. It just dont get alon istalling it. usin the ./config
[11:53] <pauldaoust> Ribs: actually, embarrassed to say, most of my knowledge of British comes from my granny's Whizzer and Chips mags :)
[11:53] <Khan> Hello Everyone: A bit of a problem here. I got Ubuntu installed, no problem. BUT When I go to boot it up for the first time it stops the process at "Starting Hotplug Subsystem". I tried restarting a couple of times and it didnt work. Has anyone ever heard of this problem?
[11:54] <pauldaoust> Khan: what kind of motherboard?
[11:54] <joan> hi
[11:54] <Ribs> pauldaoust: You should come to Britain
[11:54] <lonewolff> Khan: in sure people saw your post the first tiem, if anyone know anything they will tell you
[11:54] <thundrcleeze> hi joan
[11:54] <Khan> Hmm I got a Dell. Lemme look up the Motherboard.
[11:54] <joan> do you know how can I install the new ati drivers?
[11:54] <sladen> neiras: everyone working for Canonical works from home, which ever country they're in
[11:54] <Ribs> get some coins, and throw them at old people
[11:54] <Ribs> It's good fun
[11:54] <pauldaoust> Ribs: is it really now :)
[11:54] <pauldaoust> titter
[11:55] <neiras> sladen: That's neat... I'm going to get my CV together and send it in for consideration.
[11:55] <Ribs> My g/f is American, so I can apprecate some of the differences in culture
[11:55] <pauldaoust> cool stuff
[11:55] <pauldaoust> Ribs: actually, I've been wanting to take a tour of Europe sometime soon... I know a few people here and there, and I'm sure I still have relatives living there.
[11:55] <Khan> Not sure on the motherboard. My documentation doesnt say.
[11:55] <Stereotype> Rule #1, don't get ATI with *nix.:)
[11:56] <pauldaoust> members of the illustrious and bloodthirsty Bourchier clan... a black mark against me, in my opinion :-/
[11:56] <neiras> sladen: Canonical's doing the kind of stuff I always dreamed of starting a company to do. ;)
[11:56] <mz2> hmm
[11:56] <Ribs> Stereotype: Well, that could be set to change, thankfully
[11:56] <Stereotype> Dell Mobos are propriatary, I thought.
[11:56] <|junit|> uh o =o
[11:56] <Ribs> Stereotype: ATI are actually putting some effort into Linux drivers now
[11:56] <|junit|> I just screwed up my GRUB somehow
[11:56] <|junit|> but I Got hoary to work
[11:56] <pauldaoust> We were the bad guys in 1066, and we were the bad guys in India, and we were the bad guys... oh lots of times :-/
[11:56] <Ribs> in a few months, ATI users should have decent drivers
[11:56] <mz2> i can't seem to be able to install gnome-blog with hoary because of a dependency problems
[11:57] <Stereotype> Ribs: Because they are threatened.:-p
[11:57] <mz2> python would need to be older than 2.4
[11:57] <sladen> neiras: you can work on Ubuntu without working for Canonical.  ...I sometimes manage that when I remember
[11:57] <pauldaoust> Khan: it's a relatively new computer though?
[11:57] <Khan> pauldaoust: Nope, About a year and a half old.
[11:57] <|junit|> Anyone want to help me get GRUB to work, or point me in the right direction?
[11:57] <mz2> but i do have python 2.3 installed as well
[11:57] <joan> so u know how can I install them?
[11:57] <neiras> sladen: Yeah, I am just working on getting a feel for the Ubuntu community and projects... I'll be doing that regardless I think, but I'd love to do it full time
[11:58] <kandinski> paul!
[11:58] <neiras> sladen: Eating is important
[11:58] <kandinski> hi sladen!
[11:58] <pauldaoust> kandinski?
[11:58] <kandinski> yep
[11:58] <pauldaoust> kandinski: hi!!!
[11:58] <pauldaoust> (do I know you? ^_^)
[11:58] <|junit|> I get an error 22
[11:58] <kandinski> Paul sladen, not you!
[11:58] <kandinski> but hey anyway
[11:58] <pauldaoust> kandinski: heh, sorry, wrong paul :)
[11:58] <pauldaoust> Khan: new enough anyway... hmmmm... you might check for kernel messages... if characters appear on your screen even after it hangs, you could try going Control-Alt-F1, Control-Alt-F2, etc; the kernel messages should be somewhere around Control-Alt-F10 or -F11
[11:59] <pauldaoust> Khan: this might give you a hint as to what's wrong... of course, if you're new to Linux, the messages might be rather cryptic :-S
[11:59] <Khan> :P Yeah Im fairly new to Linux


[01:06] <may_> Hello
[09:30] <delt> Hello
[09:31] <delt> what is the name of the process that displays the volume/sound settings icon in the systray?
[15:42] <delt> Hello
[15:42] <delt> what is the name of the process that displays the volume/sound settings icon in the systray?
[15:43] <cfhowlett> delt, indicator plugin
[15:44] <delt> cfhowlett: the default setup has only notify in the panel, and not indicator....?
[15:51] <cfhowlett> delt, panel > add new items > notification area
[16:10] <delt> cfhowlett: yeah, i do have the notification area in my panel
[16:11] <delt> except only the volume control disappeared (other icons are still there)
[16:12] <delt> btw on my desktop, the systray icons use the "indicator plugin" .... if i remove the indicator plugin, they disappear, even if i have the notification area.
[16:13] <delt> tried logging out and back in (with notify and no indicator) ...still empty, no icons
[16:14] <delt> whereas on my laptop, i don't even have the indicator plugin installed, and the systray icons happily use notify
[16:29] <delt> yep, double checked.... on my desktop machine, no icons appear if i have a notify and no indicator in the panel
[16:29] <cfhowlett> delt, logout, login to guest account and see if they appear.  also: 14.04???
[16:30] <delt> yeah 14.04
[16:31] <delt> this is weird, on the desktop machine, the guest account has an indicator
[16:32] <delt> and as expected, if i remove it, no systray icons - even if the panel has a notify
[16:32] <cfhowlett> delt, yeah, you did something in your settings.  there is a solution: nuke all your xfce hidden configurations and it'll reset to defaults
[16:33] <delt> oh and i found the process for the volume-control, it's /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service
[16:33] <delt> cfhowlett: the guest session has the same problem
[16:33] <delt> (notify is empty, even if i remove indicator)
[16:34] <cfhowlett> delt, 14.04?
[16:35] <delt> yeah, both machines
[16:36] <delt> for the volume control on the laptop, the indicator-sound-service process is running.... even killed it and ran it from a terminal, saw nothing suspicious
[17:04] <holstein> delt: you saw nothing suspicious? other than, the volume control doesnt start?
[17:05] <holstein> delt: you say, you have no volume control in the panel?
[17:06] <holstein> delt: personally, in "studio", i use pavucontrol, or just jack with something the panel application doesnt work with.. but, i would try making sure its system-wide, by using the guest or another user (like you say you did), then, i would simply check for updates and apply them
[17:06] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:06] <holstein> then, i would look at any 3rd party ppa sources that i have added and see if they are causing issues
[18:41] <delt> holstein: i'm also trying to clarify this indicator vs. notify issue..... on 14.04, is the default setup supposed to have an indicator, or just a notify?
[18:44] <delt> holstein: like i mentioned, on the desktop machine if i remove the indicator and keep only the notify, no tray icons appear in the panel. However, on my laptop the indicator plugin isn't even installed, and the tray icons happily use the notify plugin.
[18:46] <delt> just wondering..... why? and how do i change this behaviour?
[19:00] <delt> this is weird.... on the laptop, the guest session has only a notify, and icons appear no problem
[19:00] <delt> so the problem has to be system-wide, ie. a package that i installed causing trouble
[19:33] <delt> booting from the livecd, same thing as my desktop machine: systray icons use only the indicator plugin.
[19:34] <delt> wonder how the hell i managed to make my laptop use notify......
[19:34] <delt> anyway, bbl
[23:20] <delt> D[pts/8][user@laptop]:~$ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service
[23:21] <delt> (process:25846): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.canonical.indicator.sound' does not contain a key named 'greeter-export'
[23:21] <delt> Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)
[23:21] <delt> that's the error i get when running indicator-sound manually
[23:25] <delt> same error when running the one on the desktop machine directly across nfs
[23:31] <yohannes> hi
[23:34] <yohannes> huhu
[23:34] <delt> hallo
[23:37] <delt> same error from guest session


 Not sure if anyone has run into this issue. But I can't seem to remove custom wallpapers with the latest RC
 @AlexanderPlaza, There are some issues with content-hub. Have you checked if that bug is reported already?
[09:37] <ubptgbot> palein was added by: palein
 @AlexanderPlaza, that'll mess up our showcase real nice! :( make sure it's a good custom wallpaper when you set it ;)
[10:16] <ubptgbot> Max imilian was added by: Max imilian
 @advocatux, [Edit] I’ll take a look. I was working on fixing it on our phone.  … I’ve posted a GitHub issue on it. https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/803 … Not sure if it’ll affect the upgrade process within the phone.
[14:12] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> hi
[14:13] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> (Photo, 1360x768) https://irc.ubports.com/xkaNHJWJ.png
[14:13] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> What is the problem?
 @Mehdi Abdellah, don't cross-post to multiple chats
 your issue doesn't belong here
 keep it in halium
 thank you
[14:15] <ubptgbot> <Mehdi Abdellah> 😡
 @AlexanderPlaza, When I first read your description post I got confused: if you are talking about the phone, there is no either 15.10 or 16.10 OS, but only 15.04 (nickname Vivid) and 16.04 (nickname Xenial). If somewhere you are talking about your PC, well yes there are also the 15.10 and 16.10 available
 @mattbel10, Oops sorry no. I’m talking Ubuntu touch 15.10 and 16.04.
 [Edit] So here is the full case here.  … I had installed 15.10 and added some wallpapers. Then I did a reflashing of the phone to 16.04 without wiping any data.  … Then I proceeded to erase the older wallpaper (because we are making stuff to submit to the cultural showcase) and noticed we can select photos but the erase butto
[14:31] <ubptgbot> n is grayed out. Looking at it further the wallpapers were no longer within the .local folder in the user home folder. It was located in /var/lib/lightdm-data/phablet/ubuntu-system-settings/Pictures/ … Because they are located in var the end user is unable to remove them. To remove them I had to use terminal and issue a sudo rm -r … Originally thou
[14:31] <ubptgbot> ght this was an 16.04RC issue it appears to be a 15.10 to 16.04 upgrade via ubports installer issue.
 @mattbel10, [Edit] Oops sorry no. I’m talking Ubuntu touch 15.04 and 16.04.
 @AlexanderPlaza, 😔 15.04 and 16.04 you mean for Ubuntu Touch, right?
 @mattbel10, The only two main versions of Ubuntu Touch, yes.  … For some odd reason I always think it’s 15.10
 @AlexanderPlaza, [Edit] When I first read your description post I got confused: if you are talking about the phone, there is no either 15.10 or 16.10 OS, but only 15.04 (nickname Vivid) and 16.04 (nickname Xenial). If somewhere else you are talking about your PC, well yes there are also the 15.10 and 16.10 available
 @AlexanderPlaza, :) I suggest you then to change the Github wording so people don't get crazy
 @mattbel10, Already did.
 However I doubt anyone in this community would go crazy.
 Yes I know, I was a bit exhagerating ehehehheh but good you found that issue, I don't know why the folder changes after the upgrade...
 Maybe confused and ask for clarification due to my own stupidity.
 @mattbel10, Indeed. the wallpapers should be placed back into the .local folder.
 @AlexanderPlaza, +1
[18:43] <ubptgbot> Gayle Bunk was added by: Gayle Bunk
 Has anyone else been unable to launch gnome-terminal in Libertine on Xenial?
 Nor VLC. Going to file bug reports next time I can grab the logs. If people could please keep testing all sorts of desktop apps, hopefully the dev team can target these issues for OTA-5.
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> Hi. Sorry not sure how this help group works - do I just throw in my question?
 well if you don't ask, you'll certainly never get an answer :)
[20:37] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> 😉 ok. Trying to flash M10FHD back from Android. Downloaded SP Tools and Ubuntu touch image and ran, but it failed with a BROM 4008 error. Tablet continuously reboots now. I can get into fastboot/recovery mode just need reminder on how to rescue it from here please. (I had similar problems when flashing to Android last year but the
[20:37] <ubptgbot> help page on BQ no longer exists 😕). Thanks
[20:38] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @Fiona C, Was using latest version of sp tools on Ubuntu 16.04
 i think you need to be in fastboot mode to use sp flash tool
 also you might want to join @WelcomePlus as that's where installation questions are generally directed to
 @Fiona C, See https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/install.html#install-on-legacy-android-devices
[20:46] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @dohbee, Ok - the instructions on the ubports page are very wrong if I’m meant to be in fastboot. It says to have the tablet turned off.  … Is welcomeplus another telegram group?
 it is
[20:47] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @advocatux, Yeah that’s what I was following
 http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-articles/2015/09/16/ubuntu-android-installation-process-for-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-e5/#/vanilla/discussion/embed/?vanilla_discussion_id=0   try this not ubports but help me out
 hmm
[20:48] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @Lakotaubp, Yup Nigel, that’s the BQ page that helped me last year. Sadly it no longer exists
 @dohbee, Yes sp flash tool needs to be started but device disconnected and off. Then connect it, it will go into download mode - a cool invention like with samsung, but an additional mode on the BQs
 If you follow the instructions precisly nothing can go wrong
 oh right
 Flip that was useful shows how long ago I used it
[20:49] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @Flohack, I did. And it did go wrong
 @Fiona C, AAre you 1000% sure you selected fw upgrade and not download in the dropdown?
[20:50] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @Flohack, Yes
 Ok because then it should be easy, I did this with 2 E5 last week
[20:51] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> As I say, I had v similar things go wrong when I flashed from UT to Android last year. Just a pity BQ got rid of the page that showed how to recover!
 i did it once with one e4.5 like 4 years ago. so, my memory might be a little off on that ;)
 Fiona try this https://forums.ubports.com/post/10007
 (Change the requirements for FHD)
[20:54] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @advocatux, I’ll give it a go as far as I can. Developer mode was enabled before I started, but I can’t turn the tablet on anymore (apart from recovery) so will see how many of these steps work and let you know...
 👍
[21:04] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @advocatux, Btw which version of sp tools am I meant to be using? That post says 1612... which is the first download link on the ubports install page, but a few lines down on the ubports page it says to make sure you have the most recent version - which is 1744. Could this be part of the problem? (I used 1744).  … Just rebooti
[21:04] <ubptgbot> ng and trying those steps now...
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> Ok. I can get into recovery mode on the device but it doesn’t show up in adb. Can I use the recovery menu to get the tablet into the correct state for trying to reinstall with so flash tool?
[21:10] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/muhvGz95.png
 @Fiona C, Have you updated the tablet via OTA?
[21:15] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @riccardovidotto, It was running Android (no)
 @Fiona C, I am afraid no
[21:16] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @Flohack, Hmm... there was something I did via the recovery menu last year. Wish I could remember what it was...
[21:17] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> Maybe I need to contact BQ and see if they are able/willing to share the process they had before on their page
 We do not know much about SP tool its totally undocumented and unoffical
 And it can brick devices
[21:17] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> So is there another way to flash?
 No
 Not if you change between Android and UT
 @Fiona C, try to flash it again with same image
 SP FlashTool operates on a low level, but this sometimes happens
[21:20] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @NotKit, sp flash tools couldn’t create a port (and as soon as I plugged in the tablet it was continuously rebooting)
 you start flashing, then plug in the tablet?
[21:21] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> I followed the ubports instructions. So I selected upgrade, hit the ‘download’ button then plugged in the tablet. Tablet kept trying to boot, flash tools said it couldn’t create a port
 do you have ModemManager disabled? it can interfere
[21:22] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> (The first time it failed part way through with a BROM 4008 error which led to this)
[21:22] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> Modem manager?
[21:23] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @NotKit, How do I tell?
 sudo systemctl status ModemManager
[21:24] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> (Photo, 1280x230) https://irc.ubports.com/kVbn0hTS.png
[21:24] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> 😐
[21:25] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> do I run the demon-reload?
 I think you have it disabled already
 @Fiona C, That page could be explain it clearer but what it meant is you have to use the first SP Flash tool UNLESS you're using Ubuntu 17.10
 @Fiona C, [Edit] That page could be explain it clearer but what it means is you have to use the first SP Flash tool UNLESS you're using Ubuntu 17.10
[21:41] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @advocatux, Ah - maybe part of the problem? (And yes, definitely needs clarification 😉)
[21:42] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> So any ideas on what I should try? (Or shall I just see if BQ can tell me again what was on their page?)
 if you have Windows PC nearby, unholy variant could be to use SP FlashTool on it
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @NotKit, No, I use MacOS I’m afraid
 @Fiona C, are you doing this from VM or from live USB?
[21:44] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @dohbee, On an old laptop which has 16.04 installed on it
 oh ok
[21:45] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> Maybe I’ll hit up BQ support tomorrow and see if they can help 😉
 you might have to ship it back to them at this point :-/
 @dohbee, nah, it's just unsuccessful flash, bootloader/etc is still alive
[21:46] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @dohbee, I’m hoping not. As I say I reached an almost identical spot last year when going to Android and they helped me through that.  Not panicking yet!
 well here's to hoping :)
[21:50] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @dohbee, 😊 thanks for the suggestions though!
 @Fiona C, I think this is the page you're looking for https://web.archive.org/web/20180118130643/http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-articles/2015/09/16/ubuntu-android-installation-process-for-bq-aquaris-e4-5-and-e5
[21:54] <ubptgbot> <Fiona C> @advocatux, 👍🏻 That looks very familiar! Thanks, I’ll look through it and see if I can still get (or still have!) the tools. I may have to take it back to Android before trying UT again
 Yes, that's an archived copy but the instructions should work still. … Good luck !!
[22:37] <ubptgbot> <Dave S> (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/DI0vhXc0.png
 o_O
 what does that furniture have to do with ubports, Dave ?
[22:39] <ubptgbot> <Dave S> Camera and Telegram problem - seems to work though haven't had to shut OPP down.
 i'd suggest maybe the best way to debug that is perhaps not to post arbitrary pictures to the discussion group with over 1600 members in it, especially without any context :)
[22:42] <ubptgbot> <Dave S> Yes it should have gone to my partner - need more practice with Telegram.
 Now you can practice how to delete pictures in Telegram :)
 Okay, let me help you


[07:53] <ubuntucloud181> And, I am new to uibuntu oneiric, and i had installed the desktop version, and I am planning to install Openstack using Denstack
[07:54] <ubuntucloud181> will that work...in some manuals , I had read about installing in Ubuntu 11.10 server only.


[00:02] <wallyworld> sure
[00:22] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: i think the PR needs a new test? see my comment
[00:24] <wallyworld> thumper: which bug? there's nothing on the 2.2 beta3 milestone. i could search but if you have the number handy....
[00:24] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: thanks
[00:24]  * thumper looks for wallyworld
[00:24] <thumper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1669540
[00:24] <mup> Bug #1669540: state: storeManager dies permanently when it should not <jaas> <sprint> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1669540>
[00:25] <wallyworld> oh that one
[00:25] <thumper> see related comments at the end of the bug
[00:25] <wallyworld> i wasn't intending to look at it
[00:25] <wallyworld> i have oracle provider stuff queded up
[00:25] <wallyworld> i want to get that done for beta3
[00:26] <wallyworld> i could look tomorrow
[00:26] <thumper> wallyworld: where would I get the tools sha256 from?
[00:27] <wallyworld> there's a tools doc in mongo or are you asking where's the code to calculate the hash?
[00:27] <thumper> I can see the calculation in the unpack tools
[00:27] <thumper> but I'm doing the 1.25 upgrade
[00:27] <thumper> perhaps a 5 minutes Hangout would be better
[00:27] <wallyworld> sure
[00:27] <thumper> got time?
[00:27] <wallyworld> 1:1
[00:27] <thumper> wallyworld: 1:1
[00:45] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: there was already a test for updating - I tweaked it to make it clear that it preserves arbitrary firewall rule names.
[00:46] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: ok. was there also an issue where adding a new rule with updated cidrs was an issue?
[00:46] <wallyworld> or applying a new cidr to an existing rule?
[00:47] <wallyworld> i thought there was a gap like that you mentioned?
[00:49] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: That test does add a CIDR to an existing rule. Do you mean handling swapped orders of CIDRs? I've got a test at the ruleSet level.
[00:50] <wallyworld> yeah, ok, sounds good. i didn't digest all the new tests
[00:50] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sweet.
[00:52] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: Looks like the error swallowing I thought I saw was actually because I was watching log messages from juju.apiserver.remotefirewaller and juju.worker.firewaller, and the error was reported by juju.worker.dependency, so I didn't see it. Checking that now
[00:53] <wallyworld> ok
[02:20] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: can you look at this trivial PR to get Oracle provider working again?
[02:20] <wallyworld> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7269
[02:21] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sure
[02:23] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: LGTM'd
[02:24] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: tyvm
[02:35] <wallyworld> thumper: can you recall where the code to shorten the lxd instance ids lives? was that in a utils somewhere or was it a bespoke lxd bit of code? or similarly for maas
[02:36] <thumper> I think it is in the instance package
[02:36] <thumper> tail of a UUID
[03:11] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: It looks like this check is the cause of the ports not being closed: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/staging/worker/firewaller/firewaller.go#L1124
[03:12] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: Removing it makes my new test pass, doesn't break any of the other ones. Any idea why it's there?
[03:12] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: hmmm, yes, that was to fix something else
[03:12] <wallyworld> um
[03:13] <wallyworld> i can't recall exactly what now, but it showed up in manual testing maybe
[03:13] <wallyworld> when you deleted a relation, the ports didn;t close
[03:14] <wallyworld> maybe with your work, it's now fixed implicitly
[03:14] <wallyworld> i think it was that - create a remote relation. see the ports open, delete the relation, the ports should close
[03:15] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok, I'll check that manually.
[03:15] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: or
[03:15] <wallyworld> i think you then need to add the relation again perhaps, and see the ports open again
[03:15] <babbageclunk> ah, ok
[03:15] <wallyworld> so yeah, just a small manaul test to check everything
[03:15] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: sounds good
[04:23] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: review plz? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7270
[04:23] <wallyworld> sure
[04:23] <babbageclunk> thanks!
[04:24] <babbageclunk> as a reward, some delightful doggo pics: https://www.reddit.com/r/rarepuppers/
[04:24] <wallyworld> lol
[04:24] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: so the manual testing worked. i winder why i put that line in
[04:25] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: before you land, we need to get the vsphere thing fixed or else it won't go through, so do try yet
[04:25] <wallyworld> *don't
[04:27] <babbageclunk> ok, shan't
[04:27]  * babbageclunk goes for a wee run
[04:31] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: that means something different here in australia
[04:31] <wallyworld> just saying
[04:31] <blahdeblah> wallyworld: that's a wee walk
[04:31] <blahdeblah> wee runs are anything under 5km
[04:31] <wallyworld> depends on how much beer
[04:39] <wallyworld> axw: your PR is on it's way....
[04:40] <axw> wallyworld: thanks
[05:29] <wallyworld> menn0: here's a small PR for the watcher bit https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7272
[05:29] <wallyworld> i wish the bug only contained one issue rather than 2
[05:29] <menn0> wallyworld: looking
[05:33] <menn0> wallyworld: done
[05:33] <wallyworld> ta
[06:41] <wallyworld> jam: unless i am wrong, containers have never inherited their host machine's constraints, and that's not something that has been changed in the last week or so, right?
[06:42] <jam> wallyworld: it has never been the intent, but I do believe I've seen containers inheriting the host machines's space constraints for a reason I don't understand
[06:42] <wallyworld> oh, i see. that is unintended i'm sure
[06:43] <wallyworld> i saw the email to the list and it seems quite a bad issue for him
[07:55] <blahdeblah> juju add-model has a --credential flag; is there a way to set this after the model has been added?
[07:55] <blahdeblah> or show which credentials are in use for a model?
[11:04] <tomk88> Hi, if there's somebody awake now:
[11:05] <tomk88> I am writing new provider for juju. When I implement the provider interfaces, I am contastnly getting "method Id should be ID [go/golint]" from golint. do you guys have any recommendation how to turn this particular warning off in golint?
[11:06] <tomk88> I am using vim, vim-go, YouCompleteMe
[12:24] <bdx> rick_h: new bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1685782
[12:24] <mup> Bug #1685782: juju deployed LXD inherit constraints from the host causing lxd deploys to fail <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685782>
[12:25] <bdx> please put some heat on that
[12:25] <rick_h> bdx: rgr
[15:07] <zeestrat> Anyone got a spare cycle for troubleshooting steps on a model migration issue in #1680392?
[15:07] <mup> Bug #1680392: Model migration fails on large model <juju:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1680392>
[21:19] <balloons> Can I get a review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7273?