[00:18] <pedahzur> Have a weird problem here. KDE 4.6 on Kubuntu 10.10. My user can log in just fine via KDM, but another user gets the "red field." Using the same password, I can su to that user at the prompt, but that user cannot log in via KDM. I had this problem with KDE 4.5 as well, but it went away (until now) when I upgraded to 4.6. Ideas? And to add to the wierdness: it started working on its own.  STRANGE.
[00:27] <chris_sf> Please help , I can't load KDE after KDE update from the backport repo !
[00:29] <james147> chris_sf: make sure kubuntu-desktop is intalled and run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[00:33] <chris_sf> but I don't want to upgrade my distibution . I want the keep the LTS 10.04 version. What I did was to install kdevelop  from the backport repo and than when doing a regular update, it update KDE !! now the screen is black, how can I revert it to the original KDE (the one on Lucid) or install the new one properly but keeping the 10.04 LTS version. Thx so much for any help
[00:34] <james147> chris_sf: dist-upgrade only upgrades packages
[00:35] <james147> chris_sf: it wont upgrade you to 10.10 unless you enable the 10.10 repors in /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:55] <chris_sf> Thx so much james, it works , now I think it is scary because all what I wanted was to install kdevelop and tutorial showed it using the backport repo. Correct me if I am wrong but since the new KDE was also in the backport , it tried to update itself !? actually each I'll do a apt-get upgrade he will try to replace the lucid package whith the one in the backup repo ! Is that correct. how  can I select the backport to only install a package (ie
[00:55] <chris_sf>  kedevelop) . what is the best practice of using the backpot repo if you don't want to install what's in there ?   Also what happened in my case  ! sorry for all those questions !! ;-)
[02:42] <gancient> hi all, are people still facing problems while upgrading to kde 4.6 in kubuntu ?
[02:42] <gancient> i was planning to upgrade but found this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/708151
[02:42] <gancient> this made me reconsider :( my upgrade plans
[03:05] <rosco_y> I'm trying to learn how to read RSS feeds.  I added the "RSSNOW" desktop widget, and I've subscribed to a feed, and I can see it is populated -- how do I actually read the feeds?
[03:10] <gancient> rosco_y: the feeds will show up on the widget. what is the refresh time you have set in the settings of the widget ?
[03:37] <ravel> im trying to figure out what program i need to install to get the application hardware drivers
[03:46] <Mase_wk> rosco_y: akregator is also a really good feed reader
[03:46] <Mase_wk> ravel: application ? which device is it ?
[03:46] <Mase_wk> usually drivers are bundled with the kernel
[03:47] <ravel> i figured it out mase_wk its jockey-gtk
[03:47] <ravel> :)
[03:48] <Mase_wk> ah you mean for binary drivers...jockey-kde will give the kde version
[03:49] <ravel> awe sweet ass
[03:49] <ravel> thanks mase_wk
[04:00] <FloridaGuy> does kubuntu have a gui to kill system process other then system monitor
[04:00] <ZenGuy> can dolphin show gif animations in preview mode?
[04:01] <FloridaGuy> put a gif in preview mode and find out
[04:02] <ZenGuy> can you try for me please.. i'm curremtly using a openbox and gnome desktop?
[04:03] <FloridaGuy> if i had a gif i would
[04:03] <FloridaGuy> point me to one
[04:04] <ZenGuy> wget http://www.gifbin.com/bin/022011/1297259678_escalator-hanging-fail.gif
[04:05] <ZenGuy> if the thumbnail shows animation that would be awesome
[04:09] <FloridaGuy> ZenGuy: shows in preview...butt no animation
[04:10] <ZenGuy> ok
[04:10] <ZenGuy> i'll submit a brainstorm feature request tommorow
[04:27] <ravel> hey its me again i installed jockey-kde and it finds my ati/amd driver but when i goto activate it, the program jockey downloads the driver but doesnt activate my ati/amd driver? just goes grey
[04:27] <ravel> any ideas on how to fix this
[05:14] <Corin> Is there any way to set it so all windows sizes are forced and unchangeable?
[05:14] <Corin> I mean, other than manually forcing all windows sizes.
[05:28] <weecol> hello
[08:47] <skidzo> Hi there, I tried to install a proprietary software (bitrock install binary) on kubuntu10.10
[08:49] <skidzo> now the problem is, that the /usr/lib/gio is found
[08:50] <skidzo> and as I installed 64 bit version, and the proprietary software uses 32 bit i get errors saying that tehere is a wrong ELF CLASS 64
[08:51] <skidzo> now i looked in a centOS 5.2 and there is no such library as /usr/lib/gio/modules/
[08:52] <skidzo> and even in a debian there is no such directory
[08:52] <skidzo> and the fact is the proprietary software installs just fine on CentOS an Debian
[08:55] <skidzo> so what package needs that /usr/lib/gio/modules and why is there a problem when installing a 32bit binary which actually just should copy some binarys...
[08:55] <skidzo> i am totally clueless about this
[08:59] <valorie> !find  /usr/lib/gio/modules
[09:00] <valorie> does that help at all, skidzo?
[09:03] <skidzo> a little
[09:05] <skidzo> is this installed by default
[09:05] <skidzo> ?
[09:05] <valorie> hmmm, I don't know how to check that
[09:06] <skidzo> i get an error about libgiofam.so and libdconf.so
[09:06] <skidzo> saying that they are of the wrong elf CLASS 64
[09:07] <valorie> and did google give you anything useful about that error message?
[09:07] <skidzo> ia32-libs is also installed
[09:07] <skidzo> no
[09:07] <skidzo> it was mainly other people also installing proprietary software
[09:08] <valorie> you need someone much more clueful than me, I'm afraid
[09:08] <skidzo> i know the gio is the gnome io
[09:08] <skidzo> no it's okay, help actually a lot
[09:09] <skidzo> thanks so far!!
[09:13] <franzmaximilian> Hello. I am facing a severe problem with my Kubuntu 10.10 (running since months without problems)  Today it boots into an installation procedure that hangs at the choice of language
[09:14] <franzmaximilian> I am now running Kubuntu from CD
[09:14] <franzmaximilian>  but i desperately need to be back to my normal HD boot
[09:16] <franzmaximilian>   I don-t know what and where to check:  grub?  boot scripts?     Please help!!!
[09:18] <franzmaximilian>  238 users on this channel and none can help in any way?
[09:18] <valorie> did you do some recent updates?
[09:18] <valorie> new software?
[09:18] <valorie> sorry, not many people awake at this point of the day
[09:18] <franzmaximilian> no new softare, just the regular updates from official repositories
[09:19] <amichair> franzmaximilian: can you get a screenshot, photo, or good description of the screen you arrive at?
[09:19] <franzmaximilian> which i do more or less daily
[09:20] <franzmaximilian> amichair boot seems to start normally, then for a couple of seconds i see a login screen
[09:20] <franzmaximilian> i mean command lina with black bacground
[09:21] <franzmaximilian>  then it turns into a text based installation
[09:21] <franzmaximilian> not graphic
[09:21] <amichair> franzmaximilian: the kubuntu installation? the boot menu like in the liveCD?
[09:22] <franzmaximilian> yes, but not a graphic install, just an old fashioned text input menu in a few colors
[09:22] <franzmaximilian> this is the language choice menu
[09:23] <franzmaximilian> preset choice is english, but if try to move around it goes to albanese
[09:24] <franzmaximilian>  and doesnt let me move but between alabnese and bulgarian
[09:24] <franzmaximilian>  it does not accept an ENTER command
[09:24] <franzmaximilian>  it does nothing there
[09:25] <franzmaximilian>  only choice is  CTRL ALT CANC   or hard switch off
[09:25] <mokush> you guys, how can I get flash into 10.10 64? do I need to run the flashplugin-installer?
[09:25] <franzmaximilian> I checked that there are no forgotten usb pens on the computer or anything else
[09:25] <amichair> mokush: install flashplugin-installer
[09:26] <franzmaximilian>  it boots as expected from a live CD and i can access the HD
[09:26] <franzmaximilian> this is all I can say
[09:26] <amichair> franzmaximilian: strange, I never encountered anything like this
[09:26] <mokush> amichair: I've installed the package, but the actual plugin didn't install
[09:27] <franzmaximilian> me neither... i-m just a user amichair, but since mamy years   first time i see anything like this
[09:27] <amichair> mokush: installing the package is all that should be necessary, at least for FireFox and Chrome (but probably others too)
[09:27] <franzmaximilian> and of course it happens the day i have urgent tasks to do....  according to Murphy-s law
[09:28] <amichair> franzmaximilian: do you have any choice in the grub menu, older kernels and such?
[09:29] <mokush> amichair: I've just removed and reinstalled the plugin, and it got it's act toghether. thanks
[09:29] <amichair> mokush: you might need to restart the browser though
[09:29] <amichair> mokush: oh great :-)
[09:29] <franzmaximilian> i do not see a grub menu at start amichair. i have only kubunto, no Windows or other OS
[09:30] <amichair> franzmaximilian: no previous kubuntu kernel versions? (there's some key u can press to get the grub menu, not sure if nowadays it's escape or left shift or something else)
[09:30] <franzmaximilian> yes, i must have some older kernels
[09:31] <franzmaximilian> so let-s ask if anyone knows which is the key to press to get the grub menu
[09:31] <franzmaximilian> anyone knows_
[09:31] <franzmaximilian> ?
[09:32] <franzmaximilian> sorry... wrong keyb layout... i forgot to set it when booting from CD
[09:32] <amichair> franzmaximilian: I think in grub2 you hold down the shift key while booting to get to the menu
[09:33] <franzmaximilian> ok, i will have a try
[09:33] <franzmaximilian>  thank you for suggestion
[09:33] <franzmaximilian> i will come back if it does not work
[09:34] <franzmaximilian> pray for me........
[09:34] <skidzo> fingers crossed
[09:34] <franzmaximilian> :)   bye
[09:43] <skidzo> hi again
[09:44] <skidzo> so anyone knows if the /usr/lib/gio/ is in kubuntu10.10 by default
[09:44] <skidzo> or does it only exist because some packages where installed afterwards?
[09:45] <skidzo> i figured out already that in debian an in RHEL there is no such directory
[09:48] <apokorwnas> hello anyone from greece?
[09:50] <apokorwnas> anyone who watch the chat?
[09:52] <iulian_> skidzo: try sudo dpkg -i - -force-architecture yourpackagename
[09:52] <skidzo> sorry forgot to say it's proprietary
[09:53] <skidzo> tried the linux32 command an tried installing 32 bit libs
[09:54] <skidzo> but the issue is that some process running at installtime might mess up the installation
[09:57] <skidzo> it did an strace of the install process but i only got some information which is worthless
[09:58] <skidzo> i do know that I need some opengl library's
[09:58] <skidzo> like libXm.so libGL.so libGLU.so
[09:59] <skidzo> all in 32 bit
[10:01] <skidzo> i know that one of the packages is libmotif3
[10:18] <franzmaximilian> hello amichair    My computer booted normally at the end.... but i don't know how!  and i simply hate this
[10:18] <amichair> franzmaximilian: I suppose you can hate it less than when it doesn't work and you don't know why ;-)
[10:19] <franzmaximilian> lol   true
[10:19] <franzmaximilian> anyway... i wonder why i cannot find a /boot/grub/menu.lst file in my installation
[10:20] <amichair> franzmaximilian: just as an off-thought, perhaps you can run an fsck and/or memtest at some conveient time in the near future... just to rule out random hardware errors. It never hurts.
[10:21] <franzmaximilian> yes, good Idea amichair .  do I run fsck from a cd?  I f i remember well it cannot be run on an active hd
[10:21] <amichair> franzmaximilian: I think menu.lst no longer exists in grub2, at least by default. now there's a grub.conf somewhere, and a utility to apply it... don't remember the details
[10:23] <franzmaximilian> amichair, I will check for this
[10:23] <rajvi> i have a problemhelpthis newbie
[10:24] <rajvi> kubntu 10.10 on a dell mini10 netbook
[10:25] <rajvi> can i get some gidance
[10:25] <rajvi> i m from a place where nobody has about open source
[10:26] <amichair> !ask | rajvi
[10:26] <rajvi> thank u  ubottu
[10:27] <rajvi> my power devil is messed up on AC but my visual effects disabled
[10:28] <amichair> franzmaximilian: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 looks like it might be useful
[10:29] <amichair> rajvi: you can configure these in System Settings -> Power Management -> Edit Profiles
[10:30] <rajvi> yes u r right
[10:30] <rajvi> but i disable d power devil n i checked all settings still its the same
[10:31] <rajvi> i have checked some logs power devil is not recognising thet it turned off n i m on AC!!
[10:32] <rajvi> i m 100% sure my power devil died
[10:33] <amichair> rajvi: sorry, I don't know much more about power devil... maybe someone else here will be able to help. Also, you should check that there's no known issues with your particular hardware (in launchpad bug reports, that is)
[10:34] <rajvi> ok thanks can i give u somemore input
[10:34] <rajvi> thanks amichair
[10:39] <rajvi> power devil messed up  help
[10:40] <rajvi> please help
[10:40] <mtu> i've upgraded from lucid to maverick and now my widget dashboard is empty. the "add widget..." dialog still shows my applets as active, though. where are they?
[10:41] <mokush> whoever recompiled them intel gma drivers deserves a grand prize.
[10:46] <rajvi> i don't think  anybody can help me
[10:50] <rajvi> can anybody answer my questions
[10:50] <mokush> rajvi: what's the qustion?
[10:50] <BajK> where do I get "qmake" ?
[10:51] <BajK> cmake .. fails and says it cannot find "qt qmake"
[10:51] <rajvi> power devil not working
[10:51] <rajvi> on ac but no visual effects
[10:51] <mokush> rajvi: did you enable them? did they work before?
[10:51] <rajvi> power devil has disabled my effects
[10:52] <rajvi> yup
[10:52] <rajvi> but only if ilogg out i get my effects
[10:52] <rajvi> now powerbdevil off
[10:52] <rajvi> but same issue checked all settings
[10:53] <rajvi> checked logg power devil on regonising dat i m on ac
[10:54] <rajvi> i know power devil is  the culprit
[11:45] <mokush> you guys know a way to install thunderbird 3.3alpha in kubuntu?
[12:10] <LogicallyDashing> Ctrl+Alt+V opens Klipper's menu of previous clipboards. I don't want it to do that. I went into Global Keyboard Shortcuts and selected Klipper, expecting I should be able to change the shortcut there, but this shortcut is not there. Where do I change it?
[12:20] <Noob> hi
[12:20] <Noob> what is the name of your graphic package manager?
[12:21] <Noob> i'm on debian testing KDE4 and i don't know what graphic package manager can i use
[12:26] <b_gholamali> In kubuntu I use "Software Management" in System setting
[12:28] <Noob> i'm on Debian testing KDE4
[12:28] <yofel> Noob: I'm not sure, but testing should use kpackagekit too
[12:28] <yofel> you should rather ask in a debian channel..
[12:29] <Noob> ok thanks yofel
[12:29] <b_gholamali> anyway your package manager should be in system setting
[12:30] <yofel> that's true too
[13:02] <rohdef> do I need to make some specific setups to be able to send files from my phone to my computer using bluetooth?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:47] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[13:48] <phoenix_firebrd> i have installed adobe flash player 10.2 , now chromium browser is getting crashed . how can i fix it?
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> small correction
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> flash plugin crashes in chromium browser
[13:52] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, have you updated/upgraded lately
[13:53] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[13:55] <BluesKaj> there was an upgrade to flashplugin installer a day or 2 ago
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: this is the error message i am getting "[14020:14020:89764634949:FATAL:base/process_util_linux.cc(594)] Out of memory"
[13:57] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, which graphics card ?
[13:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: nvidia 9400gt
[14:02] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, dunno what that is unless you ram is somehow corrupted or broken
[14:05] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, run glxgears full screen , see if it crashes
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i checked with rekonq, it can play the youtube videos. when i rightclick on the video. rekonq crashes
[14:06] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i check my memory. 70% of my memory is free
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: 70% free in total
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: 12 % free in physical
[14:10] <BluesKaj> try removong flashplugin installer , rebot and try the youtube without reinstalling
[14:11] <danifunker> hi everyone, i'm having a problem with KDM and XDMCP on Ubuntu 10.10, I can't seem to connect to it, I have already adjusted my Xauthority (added * to add all hosts to connect) and kdmrc (enable XDMCP). What am I missing?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> danifunker, but maybe xdm might help as a Xserver manager
[14:19] <danifunker> hmm I guess I'll go ahead and install that then.
[14:41] <alvin> danifunker: Probably DNS stuff. Can you give us more information? What do you expect to work that doesn't?
[14:49] <k0s> Hi!
[14:50] <k0s> Hi
[14:50] <k0s> HI
[14:50] <genii-around> !hi
[14:51] <k0s> Please help me!
[14:51] <Riddell> !ask
[14:53] <k0s> I just started using linux and I need to reinstall Virtualbox. I do not know how to do it. (((
[14:54] <k0s> And another question - does anyone speak Russian?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> !ru | k0s
[15:31] <falanga> Helllo peoplee
[15:31] <falanga> :D
[15:35] <danifunker> alvin: sorry, i lost connectivity, I don't think it's DNS, since I'm not using DNS to connect to the server.
[15:36] <alvin> danifunker: np. Let me see what I can dig up about my own XDMCP experience.
[15:37] <alvin> You changed /et/kde4/kdm/kdmrc and /etc/kde4/kdm/Xaccess?
[15:37] <rork> Hello falanga
[15:38] <danifunker> alvin: yessir, I did that a while ago
[15:38] <alvin> danifunker: Checked bug 86021
[15:40] <alvin> So, change <IP_ADDRESS> localhost to '<IP_ADDRESS> <hostname-of-xdmcp-server>'
[15:40] <danifunker> my client is Windows, not ubuntu
[15:40] <danifunker> I'm using Xming to connect.
[15:40] <alvin> danifunker: No problem. I meant the /etc/hosts file of your Kubuntu
[15:41] <danifunker> interesting, it's already in there
[15:41] <alvin> Good. <IP_ADDRESS> should not be localhost when in a network
[15:41] <danifunker> so just remove it?
[15:41] <alvin> Wait
[15:41] <falanga> how are you
[15:41] <alvin> I'm checking for it
[15:41] <danifunker> okay. thanks
[15:42] <danifunker> I've never heard of <IP_ADDRESS> before
[15:42] <alvin> danifunker: Comment it out, and add your real IP there with the hostname (e.g. <IP_ADDRESS> xdmcpserver)
[15:42] <falanga> where are you from
[15:43] <danifunker> ok i made the changes, restartign now
[15:43] <alvin> good luck
[15:43] <danifunker> thanks, well I'll stay on here, again windows is my client ;)
[15:44] <alvin> I have never used Xming, but it should work. Be glad you're not using Ubuntu as a client.
[15:44] <danifunker> should I create reverse dns entries on my DNS servers?
[15:44] <danifunker> I'm just trying to set this thing up as a test box
[15:45] <alvin> You can't always do that. (I can't here). It's not necessary
[15:45] <danifunker> okay cool. Fortunately I am a master of my own domain
[15:45] <danifunker> woot I even have a fancy whois name on my ipv6 network ;)
[15:45] <alvin> putting the ip in /etc/hosts should help.
[15:45] <danifunker> ok it looks started
[15:46] <danifunker> alvin: trying to connect now one second
[15:46] <danifunker> hmm, so far I'm getting the same results.
[15:47] <falanga> fellas
[15:47] <falanga> where are you from
[15:47] <alvin> bah. I thought it would be enough. It worksforme. Let's see..
[15:47] <alvin> falanga: the internet
[15:47] <danifunker> i'm from Canada, where are you from falanga?
[15:47] <falanga> :D
[15:47] <falanga> haha
[15:47] <falanga> Macedonia
[15:48] <alvin> danifunker: What version of Kubuntu? There's bug 408417
[15:48] <danifunker> I'm using the most current version
[15:48] <danifunker> of everything
[15:48] <danifunker> I just installed on monday, and did an update before installing kde
[15:48] <alvin> I haven't tried XDMCP on Maverick yet
[15:48] <danifunker> that looked like a gdm bug, not kdm bug
[15:49] <alvin> Canonical doesn't really care about XDMCP. It wouldn't suprise me if they broke it. Kubuntu has the possibility in kdm, but gdm losst it years ago.
[15:49] <alvin> Yes, that bug was originally about the missing option in gdm, but people added more problems over the years
[15:50] <lithpr> hi all.  I heard a podcast where they talked about kde 4.6, and i was intrigued.  I downloaded kubuntu-desktop from the backports.  The problem i have now is that in either session, i have all the apps from gnome/kde on both menus.  Is there a way i can isolate the two environments short of dual-booting?
[15:51] <lithpr> I can't be the first person who has wanted to do this :)
[15:51] <alvin> lithpr: I do not know of such a method
[15:52] <danifunker> hmm, I wanted to try switching to a different xdmcp manager. How do I switch it?
[15:52] <alvin> not kdm?
[15:52] <danifunker> yeah like xdm
[15:52] <danifunker> problem is, i already installed xdm and don't have an option to switch
[15:53] <alvin> Oh, but there is. I forgot the command... Shouldn't it be $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm ?
[15:55] <danifunker> sweet! thanks
[15:55] <alvin> danifunker: hmm. Maybe we're using ipv6 only without really knowing it... On your server, what is the output of: $ sudo netstat -atnup | grep 177
[15:55] <danifunker> I checked that already
[15:56] <danifunker> I ended up changing it
[15:56] <alvin> Here it's ipv6 only... Must have been that way for the past year
[15:56] <alvin> And I never knew
[15:57] <danifunker> yeah, I had to put in LISTEN <IP_ADDRESS> in one of my files
[15:57] <danifunker> but odddly, I do have ipv6 configured on my network ;)
[15:58] <danifunker> xming doesn't support ipv6 addresses though, at least not the version I'm running
[15:58] <danifunker> my output from that command: udp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:177             <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[15:58] <alvin> It might explain some stuff here... In what file did you have to change that?
[15:59] <danifunker> Xaccess
[15:59] <alvin> btw, in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xaccess I have 2 lines (* ; * CHOOSER BROADCAST)
[16:00] <danifunker> i have *, * CHOOSER BROADCAST and listen <IP_ADDRESS> that's what forces ipv4
[16:00] <danifunker> i don't need to do anything with xhost do I?
[16:00] <alvin> I don't think so
[16:01] <alvin> I'll change to ipv4 too, but not now. There's too many people logged on.
[16:01] <danifunker> ahh okay
[16:01] <danifunker> I'd rather use ipv6, but xming :(
[16:01] <danifunker> everything I have is on ipv6 now, even my site and email.
[16:02] <alvin> Yes, you might want to try with a Kubuntu client. Just to know where to look
[16:02] <alvin> cool, I still have to learn about that
[16:02] <alvin> ISP's don't give addresses yet here
[16:02] <danifunker> yeah, I have a tunneled route, where are you from?
[16:02] <alvin> Belgium (Flanders)
[16:04] <falanga> hey foes
[16:04] <falanga> can you tell me
[16:04] <falanga> on pvt
[16:04] <falanga> another
[16:04] <falanga> channels ?
[16:04] <FloodBotK1> falanga: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:04] <falanga> pleas
[16:04] <danifunker> I don't have a kubuntu client installed anywhere.
[16:05] <alvin> ubottu: !pvt
[16:05] <alvin> ubottu doesn't know about pvt
[16:05] <alvin> we know
[16:05] <Pici> !pm
[16:05] <Pici> !alis | falanga
[16:05] <danifunker> I did see a whole bunch of "nolisten" in some parameters somewhere.
[16:06] <alvin> danifunker: Yes, that's for when you want to use X forwarding. (setenv DISPLAY etc,....) It's not needed to remove -nolisten tcp for XDMCP servers
[16:06] <alvin> But you can try
[16:07] <danifunker> alvin: it probably won't then. I never had this much problems XDMCP before...
[16:07] <danifunker> is there a way to test udp connectivity
[16:07] <alvin> Hmm, I have it removed apparently
[16:09] <alvin> danifunker: $ sudo nmap -sU -p177 <your-xdmcp-server>
[16:09] <m_tadeu> hi....after upgrading today the new flash player package, I'm unable to watch videos in youtube
[16:09] <alvin> nmap exists for Windows too
[16:10] <alvin> It should say: 177/udp open  xdmcp
[16:17] <falanga> please give me other Konversation channels
[16:17] <falanga> a?
[16:18] <Pici> !ot | falanga
[16:19] <falanga> #kubuntu-offtopic
[16:20] <falanga> where can i find a list of channels?
[16:30] <Peace-> hi there
[16:39] <falanga> hi peace
[16:41] <danifunker> alvin: ok nmap reports the port as being open on both windows and linux
[16:45] <danifunker> this is so strange, what could be wrong?
[16:48] <moshofosho> i left ubuntu about 2 years ago after using it quite a bit for about 4 years primarily because i was dissatisfied with how kde was handled (really buggy, prone to crashing) and how long it took to bootup (about 1 minute on a, at the time, brand-new laptop)
[16:49] <moshofosho> have those things changed?
[16:49] <falanga> you are so bad
[16:49] <falanga> def
[16:49] <moshofosho> is kde stable to use? how long does bootup take?
[16:49] <moshofosho> i am so bad?
[16:50] <genii-around> danifunker: gdm or kdm greeter? gdm has this bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/gdm/+bug/408417
[16:50] <moshofosho> i'm asking because my current setup with archlinux may take up more time than i have to debug stuff, mostly due to nvidia's graphics drivers not working right on my system, and strangely enough, random filesystem attributes being set by packages
[16:50] <danifunker> genii-around: I'm using kdm greeter.
[16:50] <moshofosho> so i'm thinking if i am to transition to something else, might as well be something i was comfortable with for a while
[16:51] <moshofosho> i know the developers of ubuntu are beyond willing to help. i once hogged up colin wilson's entire work day on just one bug of mine. he seemed really set on fixing it and it was sort of obscure... at least at the time
[16:51] <moshofosho> how to get a custom ubuntu image setup using clonezilla on identical machines in a computer lab
[16:53] <BluesKaj> moshofosho, depends on your hardware but kde 5.1 is very stable and my pc boots in about 20 secs nowadays..there are some nvidia issues haowever they are mostly with the new 200 and 300 series
[16:53] <moshofosho> 5.1? that's a typo right?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> er kde 4.5.1
[16:53] <moshofosho> okay
[16:53] <moshofosho> yeah, that's what i have on my machine too right now. my desktop's graphics card is an nvidia 8300 gs... so not so cutting edge
[16:54] <moshofosho> but not too old
[16:54] <moshofosho> and it used to work fine with the 1xx series drivers (not hardware models!), but after 256 it seems like it's really unstable
[16:54] <BluesKaj> moshofosho, then you should be ok , mine's a 8400gs
[16:55] <moshofosho> someone online pointed out very insightfully that there seem to be two groups of people who use linux. 1 ) young people with time to spare in fiddling and tinkering with stuff and 2) older people who have to get work done and don't have the luxury of such time
[16:55] <moshofosho> i'm slowly transitioning from 1) to 2) and though i'd love to tinker, i just don't have the time
[16:55] <moshofosho> i used to have to fight with ubuntu to get stuff to work, but your experiences tell me i should give it a test run soon
[16:57] <BluesKaj> moshofosho, well, I'm retired , so I have lots of time in winter ;)
[16:57] <moshofosho> i see
[16:57] <BluesKaj> I installed 10.10 in 40 mins the other day , clean
[16:57] <moshofosho> i never had a problem with installation. ubuntu seems to have that nailed down
[16:58] <moshofosho> i hated how many useless services used to run and just waste precious resources... back then
[16:58] <moshofosho> now i guess it wouldn't be as bad. computers are faster, though mine have been stuck in 2007-age technology for a while
[16:58] <moshofosho> anyway, for someone who has a lot of work to do, i sure sound like a hypocrite
[16:58] <moshofosho> back to work
[16:58] <BluesKaj> and used the text-based alternate install on my 6 yr old pc , which took about an hr
[16:58] <moshofosho> thanks for your input BluesKaj
[16:58] <BluesKaj> moshofosho, np :)
[17:00] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :P
[17:49] <Sirgado> I'm about to upgrade KDE 4.4.5 to 4.5.3 using kubuntu backports repository... does anyone discourage that?
[17:56] <remur_030> Hi, we are trying to pin down an nvidia related bug on opensuse, is there a kde4.5 or higher user with nvidia driver 260.x and a 32bit system here by chance?
[17:59] <Peace-> Sirgado: mah...
[17:59] <Peace-> Sirgado: upgrading a stable distro it's always a roulette
[18:00] <Peace-> Sirgado: the most of times 99%
[18:00] <Peace-> you will get no problem
[18:00] <Sirgado> :D yeah
[18:00] <Peace-> but... i guess people upgrade system because they are annoyed
[18:00] <Peace-> Sirgado: wanna try another kde?
[18:00] <Peace-> try kubuntu natty alpha2 live cd
[18:00] <Sirgado> ok, I know there're some risks, I just want to know if there's a big issue everybodoy knows except me :D
[18:01] <Peace-> Sirgado: big issue no
[18:01] <Peace-> if you have...
[18:01] <Peace-> Sirgado: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/try-to-fix-your-kubuntu-box-with-kernel-recovery/
[18:01] <Sirgado> I'll check that
[18:01] <BluesKaj> X is abig issue on natty for some ppl , Peace-
[18:01] <Peace-> BluesKaj: well :9 infact live cd :)
[18:01] <Sirgado> I really want to use new activities systems (I've alreaduy tested kde 4.5)
[18:02] <Peace-> Sirgado: bah... activities..
[18:02] <Peace-> never used xD
[18:02] <Sirgado> well', until 4 .5 I think they were not enoguht mature to be used
[18:02] <Sirgado> enought
[18:02]  * BluesKaj waits for official release
[18:03] <Peace-> BluesKaj: +1
[18:03] <Peace-> BluesKaj: but i am crazy tester xD
[18:03] <BluesKaj> kde 4.6 is fine so far tho
[18:03] <Sirgado> BluesKaj: nut I'm stuck in 10.04 (because php 5.3) and i think 4.5 will never get to 10.04
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Sirgado, running a server ?
[18:04] <Sirgado> and plasma seems to be very polished in 4.5
[18:04] <Sirgado> BluesKaj: just for developping in my desktop, server is a LTS
[18:04] <Sirgado> drupal based developping
[18:05] <BluesKaj> Sirgado, IC
[18:05] <Sirgado> a LTS server i mean, and don't wanna to install testing software ther ;-)
[18:05] <BluesKaj> yup, understood :)
[18:05] <Sirgado> thanks for your comments folks!
[18:08] <Peace-> Sirgado: look this too
[18:08] <Peace-> Sirgado: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/reinstall-kde/
[18:08] <Peace-> if something goes bad
[18:09] <Peace-> xD
[18:09] <Peace-> 99.99% nope
[18:09] <Peace-> but..
[18:09] <Sirgado> hey, that's a very good bonus !
[18:09] <Sirgado> thanks
[18:18] <prince> does any one help me to install video chat on ubuntu
[18:19] <Peace-> prince: video chat?
[18:20] <Peace-> prince: on kubuntu you could install google talks on firefox
[18:20] <Peace-> or chromium ...
[18:20] <Peace-> prince: http://www.google.com/chat/video
[18:54] <prince> hiiiiiiii
[18:55] <prince> any one please tell me the process of installing compiz fusion on gnom
[18:56] <Peace-> prince: compiz on gnome?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> prince, ask in #ubuntu
[18:56] <Peace-> prince: here is kubuntu
[18:57] <prince> ok
[18:57] <DarthFrog> We are KDE folks, not GNOME.
[19:00] <DarthFrog> Hmm, I just installed cairo-dock to have a look at it.  I like it. :-)  Does anyone know if there is a KDE version of something similar?
[19:06] <DarthFrog> Never mind, I figured it out. :-)   RTFM rules again.
[19:07] <Peace-> DarthFrog: daisy?
[19:08] <Peace-> kooldock doesn't get the kde4 version
[19:08] <Peace-> :(
[19:08] <Peace-> only kde3 version
[19:19] <Carnage\> Hey guys. I want to run an application in a separate Xorg-Server using a separate config and I want to do this as user (non-root). I had to configure /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config to allow this. If I now run `xinit <programm> -- :1 -config myxorg.conf` a separate XServer starts but just displays rubbish. The log says (among others) "(EE) Unable to locate/open config file: "myxorg.conf", however the file is located in the current working
[19:19] <Carnage\> directory.
[19:19] <Carnage\> If I give an absolute path, I get "
[19:19] <Carnage\> Invalid argument for -config
[19:19] <Carnage\>         For non-root users, the file specified with -config must be
[19:19] <Carnage\>         a relative path and must not contain any ".." elements.
[19:19] <Carnage\>         Using default xorg.conf search path.
[19:19] <FloodBotK1> Carnage\: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:21] <genii-around> Carnage\: Is the myxorg.conf set +r ?
[19:22] <Carnage\> Yep
[19:22] <Carnage\> a+rw
[19:24] <Carnage\> a+rwx doesn't change anything either...
[19:26] <genii-around> Carnage\: In same error message set, do you see: (EE) Problem parsing the config file          ?
[19:27] <genii-around> Apologies in advance for my lag, I am back and forth bewtween working
[19:30] <Carnage\> genii-around: No need to be sorry. :) No, there is no such error. There are a few more errors later than the one I mentioned, but they are based on the fact that the config is not found.
[19:34] <Carnage\> I solved it, the xorg.conf has to be located relative to the search path and not to the pwd...
[19:34] <DarthFrog> Urk!  Installing daisy will destroy my KDE desktop:
[19:34] <DarthFrog> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[19:35] <DarthFrog>   kde-window-manager kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kubuntu-desktop libkephal4a libplasmaclock4b libplasmagenericshell4 libtaskmanager4b plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop
[19:35] <DarthFrog>   plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-addons plasma-widgets-workspace
[19:35] <FloodBotK1> DarthFrog: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:37] <genii-around> Carnage\: Ah, good!
[19:43] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, UGH!
[20:47] <jackalope4863> anyone here familiar with cpufrequtils?
[20:48] <jackalope4863> i have two processors i dont know how to target the second one
[20:55] <Peace-> jackalope4863: mm
[20:58] <barraponto> is someone using vpn on kde 4.6?
[21:22] <blackmoon-105> hi, my /usr/bin/X use a 80% of cpu  and slow all..
[21:28] <duane> anyone with kubuntu 10.10  kde 4.6  having troubles with kdm themes, getting a new theme does not work.
[21:28] <duane> theme installs but not present in theme list to apply theme
[21:30] <duane> kde 4.5 had the same affects and would like to know if others experienced the same.
[21:33] <ravel> hello all: Im having a problem with my desktop pretty much is as follows, There is suppose to be a translucent widget that shows your home folders icons. I on the other hand do not have that widget can you please help me solve this problem? (Thank You in advanced)
[21:38] <duane> ravel, the widget is called "folder view"
[21:39] <ravel> awesome thanks duane
[21:40] <duane> welcome
[21:41] <ravel> yep thats what i was looking for your the new hero in my life :), just kidding but your help is appreciative. Have a nice day/night
[21:41] <duane> 10/4 you to ravel
[22:16] <Bauldrick> i've managed to remove firefox icon from kickoff application, and no matter if I 'purge' firefox and reinstall the icon doesn't return. I have to start via konsole, any ideas?
[22:17] <sithlord48> Bauldrick:  unlock widgets, and right click on the firefox entry and select "add to panel"
[22:19] <Bauldrick> there is no firefox entry sithlord48?
[22:19] <sithlord48> im you menu ?
[22:19] <sithlord48> have you installed firefox again?
[22:19] <sithlord48> (sorry i read that wrong you did say kickoff)
[22:19] <Bauldrick> yes, but can only start it via konsole
[22:20] <sithlord48> you can add it again using the menu editor...
[22:20] <sithlord48> do you know how to do that ?
[22:20] <Bauldrick> nope, run me through?


[00:32] <Jones_Hugo> Hey... any1 there?
[18:01] <lool> JamieBennett1: Hmm the reads were like 4096 bytes in size, that decent even if not optimal; you could try reading into buffer of a specified larger size, but I would rather suspect the parsing / storing in perl vars to be slow


[04:08] <Takyoji> Anyway way of contacting a package maintainer of a package lacking a needed dependency?
[04:08] <Takyoji> (forget the second 'way', typo)
[04:08] <Logan_> Takyoji: Which one?
[04:09] <Takyoji> Because 'd-rats' needs a dependency of 'python-glade2' otherwise it won't be usable at all.
[04:09]  * Logan_ looks
[04:09] <Takyoji> and it's maintainer is listed as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:09] <Logan_> yeah, that's for all Ubuntu packages
[04:10] <Logan_> let me see if a no-change rebuild pulls it in
[04:11] <Logan_> Takyoji: okay, confirmed on my end
[04:13] <Takyoji> That the package doesn't install python-glade2, and throws a Python error when ran after installation?
[04:14] <Logan_> Takyoji: correct
[04:14] <Logan_> how far does this go back?
[04:15] <Logan_> I'm guessing to Precise
[04:15] <Logan_> I'll have to SRU a fix to all of them...
[04:15] <Logan_> Takyoji: follow this bug, I'll take care of it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/d-rats/+bug/917204
[04:16] <Takyoji> Subscribed.
[04:19] <Logan_> Takyoji: I just pushed out a fix to trusty
[04:19] <Logan_> I'll do it for the other stable releases as well
[04:19] <Takyoji> Logan_, thank you.
[04:19] <Logan_> np :)
[04:24] <Logan_> Takyoji: uploaded a fix to Precise, Quantal, Saucy as well
[15:51] <hakermania> I am looking for a sponsor for my package, Wallch ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wallch/+bug/1282830 ) Does anyone know where I should try my luck :) ?
[19:31] <Noskcaj> Could someone please sponsor bug 1282937 ?
[19:51] <Logan_> poor Noskcaj
[19:53] <Noskcaj> Logan_, I've made the sponsoring queue pretty big again, enjoy
[19:54] <Logan_> oh dear
[20:03] <jtaylor> doko: our python2.7 has match_hostname from python3.4a1 but it doesn't seem to have the rfc6125 change added in 3.4a5
[20:04] <jtaylor> is there a reason for that?
[20:11] <jtaylor> its also in 3.3.3
[20:44] <asac`> smoser`: server dashoard has been unhappy for a while: http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/server/i386/20140221/6740/ ... can you forward to whowever might be interested in this on server team?
[20:44] <asac`> tomcat and lamp are failing
[20:44] <asac`> thanks
[22:20] <infinity> xnox: Any idea what's going on in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739913
[22:20] <infinity> xnox: Is that fixed in Ubuntu's libnih?  If so, can we NMU that patch to Debian?
[22:21] <infinity> slangasek: ^
[22:28] <shadeslayer> anyone attending MWC ?
[22:38] <infinity> Ahh, no, that's not fixed in Ubuntu, the Ubuntu sources die the same way on Debian/i386...
[23:44] <darkxst> spamassassin has broken ubuntu GNOME daily builds Bug 1283850
[23:45] <darkxst> and I can't work out what is wrong...


[12:28] <jcastro> mgz: any word on that dreamhost issue?
[13:17] <lazyPower> jcastro: whens our next office hours scheduled?
[13:18] <lazyPower> I want to say June 19'th?
[13:19] <jcastro> 18th
[13:19] <jcastro> let me double check
[13:19] <jcastro> lazyPower: confirmed, 18th
[13:20] <lazyPower> ta
[14:52] <Johncr1> Where can i define lxc bridge in juju charms for lxc ?
[17:45] <lazyPower> Johncr1: I'm assuming this is for juju deploy --to lxc:unit?
[17:45] <lazyPower> Johncr1: if thats the case, juju currently always assumes lxcbr0, even if you override the config on the unit itself to specify another bridge. The only known work-around is to edit the charm config on the unit and re-assign the networking bridge.
[17:46] <lazyPower> sorry, by "edit the charm config on the unit" - i mean edit the lxc container config in /var/lib/lxc/<string>/config
[18:17] <Johncr1> Yes and there is one more way.
[18:18] <Johncr1> Create a bridge with the same name i.e. lxcbr0
[20:20] <thumper> lazyPower: ping
[21:18] <jrwren> why does juju install cloud-utils metapackage on bootstrap?
[22:12] <marcoceppi> jrwren: no idea, but probably go figure out some things about the cloud?
[22:55] <jrwren> i see it in 1.22.1 changelog now.


[00:34] <smoser> waigani, around ?
[00:34] <waigani> smoser: yep
[00:34] <smoser> can you answer my query in canonical irc ?
[00:35] <smoser> waigani, ^
[00:36] <waigani> smoser: you mean the #canonical channel? I don't see your query sorry?
[00:36] <smoser> canonical irc. (not freenode).
[09:06] <caribou> Is there a way to tell which serie to use when deploying to the local provider with "--to=kvm:0" ?
[09:06] <caribou>  I mean, my kvm instance is running trusty (like my host) but I'm deploying using precise charms
[09:42] <jam1> caribou: "juju deploy precise/charm --to kvm:0"
[09:42] <jam1> caribou: generally you define the series by the charm you are deploying
[09:43] <caribou> jam1: yeah, but the kvm instance still get built on trusty
[09:44] <caribou> jam1: in the nova-compute charm, it does a lsb_release to get the distro & sees trusty whereas the charm is for precise so it fails
[09:57] <jam> caribou: I've honestly only heard of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1302820
[09:57] <_mup_> Bug #1302820: juju deploy --to lxc:0 cs:trusty/ubuntu creates precise container <landscape> <juju-core:Fix Committed by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302820>
[09:57] <jam> which should be the opposite of what you are seeing
[09:58] <caribou> jam: indeed; well I hacked around it by providing trusty/nova-compute and it works
[09:58] <thumper> same bug
[09:59] <thumper> fix isn't in a release
[09:59] <jam> thumper: ah that is that your creating LXC with the same lsb-release as the host
[09:59] <jam> he is on trusty and wants precise
[09:59] <jam> original bug was on precise and wanted trusty
[09:59] <jam> gotcha
[10:00] <jam> thumper: should we be backporting the fix to 1.18.1 ?
[10:00] <thumper> jam: probably
[10:00] <caribou> thumper: I can live with my workaround, I was just curious since that --to kvm:0 is rather new stuff (to me at least)
[10:00]  * thumper nods
[10:04] <caribou> right now, I'm stucked on something else I keep getting "Host '<IP_ADDRESS>' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server" when I try to add a relation & both services are on the same machine
[10:04] <caribou> (mysql & keystone for now, but I get this with other services)
[10:08] <caribou> if mysql & keystone are on separate machines it works
[10:17] <thumper> caribou: you are using the local provider?
[10:17] <caribou> thumper: yes, but my colleague sees the same thing on a maas deployment
[10:17] <caribou> thumper: he's just opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/mysql/+bug/1305582
[10:17] <thumper> caribou: do you have the network-bridge in the local config set to 'virbr0' ?
[10:17] <_mup_> Bug #1305582: relation with mysql fail when mysql and glance are deployed on the same node <mysql (Juju Charms Collection):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1305582>
[10:17] <caribou> thumper: yes
[10:18] <caribou> thumper: but both my machines are LXC container, I only use kvm for the  nova-compute charm
[10:18] <thumper> ok
[12:11] <strikov> Hi guys. I'm trying to use juju with my own openstack cloud. Bootstrap finished correctly but when i'm trying to deploy mysql charm I'm getting this: "ERROR error uploading charm: cannot upload charm to provider storage: cannot make Swift control container: failed to create container: juju-123456789" But swift is accessible and bootstrap was able to create this container already and populated it with some files. What I'm doing wrong? Thanks
[13:19] <jose> lazyPower: ping
[13:19] <lazyPower> jose: pong
[13:19] <jose> lazyPower: looks like I fixed it!
[13:19] <jose> well, kinda
[13:19] <lazyPower> wooo!
[13:19]  * lazyPower dances
[13:20] <jose> the only problem we have is it doesn't migrate apps
[13:20] <jose> like, people would have to re-enable them manually
[13:21] <jose> but let's say, data is preserved, I think, the calendar app did preserve data
[13:29] <jose> lazyPower: ^
[13:29] <lazyPower> jose: ok. Did you update your MP yet?
[13:30] <lazyPower> s/yet//
[13:30] <lazyPower> I can pull it and take a look after hours today and see what the status is and look at how difficult the plugin migration would be
[13:32] <jose> ok, I'll update the MP asap
[13:32] <jose> the branch is updated
[14:07] <lazyPower> jose: no rush
[14:07] <lazyPower> i wont be able to get to it until after my workday
[14:53] <cory_fu> I'm getting an error that I don't understand at all when trying to run my amulet test: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7231112/ and my test, in case it's relevant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7231117/
[14:54] <cory_fu> juju status just after shows only the machine and no indication of any units being created.  Unfortunately, since it's LXC, I can't get access to juju log at all
[14:56] <mbruzek> cory_fu, can you check ~/.juju/local/log/ for the logs
[14:56] <cory_fu> Well, apparently I can, and that's good to know
[14:56] <cory_fu> But it doesn't seem to have anything useful in it
[14:57] <mbruzek> cory_fu Can you patebin all-machines-log.0?
[14:58] <cory_fu> mbruzek: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7231138/
[15:01] <mbruzek> OK cory_fu I don't see anything in that log.  It looks like a deployer or amulet bug to me.  Does anyone else have insight on the error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7231112/
[15:03] <mbruzek> cory_fu, You can enable higher trace on your juju environment by running a command after bootstrap.  The command only turns up debugging for one boostrap/destroy-environment session, but it might help print out more details.
[15:03] <mbruzek> juju set-env 'logging-config=<root>=DEBUG;juju.provider=DEBUG'
[15:04] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: mbruzek https://bugs.launchpad.net/amulet/+bug/1293878
[15:04] <_mup_> Bug #1293878: Amulet should work with local charms that are not in version control <Amulet:Triaged by marcoceppi> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1293878>
[15:05] <mbruzek> oh oops that is a bug I reported
[15:05] <cory_fu> Yep, that looks like it
[15:05] <cory_fu> Thanks
[15:05] <mbruzek> thanks marcoceppi
[15:05] <mbruzek> cory_fu, if I remember correctly the solution was to add the charm to bzr under my own namespace
[15:06] <marcoceppi> jsut being in bazaar will fix it, doesn't need to be pushed or anything
[15:06] <mbruzek> well a workround.
[15:06] <cory_fu> I guess I have to move my bzr learning phase up to before making sure the test passes.  :-p
[15:06] <marcoceppi> deployer expects bazaar, so in the future amulet will transparently move non versioned and other versioned charms to bzr
[15:07] <mbruzek> cory_fu if you have bzr questions send them to marc... me
[15:07] <cory_fu> :-)
[15:07] <mbruzek> cory_fu, It was really easy to add it to a personal branch
[15:10] <cory_fu> Hrm.  Do we need to make and upload new public keys for launchpad because of heartbleed?
[15:10] <cory_fu> Oh, no, that shouldn't affect ssh
[15:11] <cory_fu> Hrm.  Then why did bzr start giving me a publickey error
[15:13] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: just now?
[15:13] <lazyPower> cory_fu: positive that the current identity is uploaded to launchpad?
[15:14] <cory_fu> Well, I swear it was working yesterday, but just now I got a publickey error
[15:15] <lazyPower> cory_fu: and its yoru standard ~/.ssh/id_rsa right?
[15:16] <cory_fu> Well, it's a different one but I have a Host launchpad.net section in my .ssh/config
[15:16] <lazyPower> Ok, and your config is owned by your user, with proper permissions?
[15:17] <cory_fu> Yep
[15:17] <lazyPower> Interesting. that should be fine
[15:17] <cory_fu> Hrm.  Maybe I should generate a new pair.  :-(
[15:18] <lazyPower> You can also try removing the pubkey and resetting it
[15:18] <lazyPower> i doubt thats it but worth a shot
[15:23] <cory_fu> Ah.  I needed the full bazaar.launchpad.net on the Host line
[15:23] <cory_fu> Could swear it worked yesterday.  Maybe because I hadn't done bzr whoami yet
[15:24] <cory_fu> Or some other config to indicate which account to use
[15:25]  * lazyPower thumbs up
[15:26] <cory_fu>     from fastimport.helpers import (
[15:26] <cory_fu> ImportError: cannot import name single_plural
[15:27] <cory_fu> o_O
[16:47] <cory_fu> Is there any workaround for getting "ImportError: cannot import name single_plural" from bzr when trying to use fastimport to import from git?
[16:48] <cory_fu> mbruzek: ?
[17:08] <lazyPower> sarnold: ping
[17:09] <sarnold> hey lazyPower :)
[17:10] <lazyPower> So, you're a random number in the ether until you 'officially' arrive? as predeciated by your status update at 13:04:25 EST
[17:11] <sarnold> lazyPower: maybe several confounded random functions -- if my pandaboard hangs, then I arrive -- if my pandaboard doesn't hang, then I'm always here :)
[17:11] <lazyPower> i need to 1:1 with you at some point about building an in house low power maas cluster sinc eyou've got more micro board experience than I do
[17:12] <lazyPower> more along the lines of what to look at and what to stay away from
[17:12] <lazyPower> before i let that statement run away with context
[17:13] <sarnold> lazyPower: heh, i've just got the one pandaboard, and I think my experience with it is clear to find something else entirely :)
[17:13] <lazyPower> haha
[17:13] <lazyPower> Fair enough
[17:13] <sarnold> lazyPower: back when our buildds were using pandaboards, someone from IS had to poke them just about daily to keep them building :(
[17:15] <ppetraki> hey do we have a charm that just deploys a base line server? I swear we did
[17:16] <sarnold> ppetraki: was that 'ubuntu'?
[17:16] <lazyPower> ppetraki: its the ubuntu charm
[17:16] <lazyPower> deploys a no frills ubuntu server installation
[17:18] <ppetraki> sarnold, thanks
[17:22] <lazyPower> sarnold: also, last night i learned that you cannot colocate a juju-local installation on your maas region controller if you're using bridged ethernet devices without doing some serious voodoo in the juju config
[17:22] <lazyPower> it tanked networking on my server until i removed the juju-local package :P
[17:22] <sarnold> lazyPower: hah, yikes
[17:22] <lazyPower> yeah im like, poking around at really strange configurations
[17:22] <sarnold> lazyPower: somehow I'm not too surprised, the assumptions of all the different tools involved are pretty strong
[17:23] <lazyPower> i went from having my maas-master as a virtual machine to using bare metal as the region controller, controlling kvm instances.
[17:23] <lazyPower> this is all for a blog post about what configurations i found that work, for someone that wants to build an "all encompassing juju lab"
[17:24] <sarnold> oh nice
[17:24] <sarnold> some more 'real world' stories of maas and juju use would be pretty cool
[17:24] <lazyPower> well, i've got 3 special interest groups from CMU that contacted me about running juju workshops
[17:25] <sarnold> it's either "hey look at this wordpress install" or "yes we have customers with a few hundred or thousands of machines doing this on private clouds and they seem to like it"...
[17:25] <sarnold> sweet!
[17:25] <lazyPower> I'll try to get them to publish their experiences to the list so we can reblog and promote their use. The biggest use case i see is a LUG on campus is offering free VM's with openstack
[17:25] <lazyPower> they want to do the full maas + juju  + openstack path
[17:29] <sarnold> oooo
[17:29] <sarnold> man, when I was at school, we had one "linux lab" of machines that were castoffs from the windows labs but worked great for us..
[17:39] <ppetraki> can we support bundles from git hub?
[17:39] <ppetraki> err do we?
[17:42] <lazyPower> sarnold: make ingest faster
[17:43] <sarnold> lazyPower?
[17:43] <lazyPower> i'm waiting for a bundle i just published to ingest so i can deploy it using deployer... make ingest run faster!
[17:43] <lazyPower> i know you're secretly the wizard behind all of this
[17:44]  * sarnold waves his hands meaningfully
[17:44] <lazyPower> wooo juju genie powers
[17:47] <Kupo24z> Having issues with Ceilometer HTTP connection exception: [Errno 111] ECONNREFUSED with a fresh charm install, is there anything special that needs to be done to get keystone to authorize it?
[17:48] <jose> Kupo24z: have you exposed the service?
[17:48] <Kupo24z> jose: No, not yet
[17:48] <jose> Kupo24z: can you try exposing it?
[17:49] <Kupo24z> Same issue after exposing
[17:50] <lazyPower> Kupo24z: what environment are you running on?
[17:50] <lazyPower> and can you reach the instance with juju ssh <unit #>?
[17:51] <Kupo24z> Yes
[17:52] <Kupo24z> juju ssh ceilometer/0
[17:52] <timrc> So the jenkins charm on trusty listens on ipv6 only.  We can can add "-Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true" to JAVA_ARGS and restart the server to get it to listen on ipv4 but is this the preferred way of doing this?
[17:52] <timrc> restart the service*
[17:52] <Kupo24z> this is on ubuntu 12.04 LTS with openstack-origin: cloud:precise-havana
[17:53] <lazyPower> timrc: ideally it should be a boolean option in the config and the charm should handle adding that option
[17:53] <timrc> lazyPower, I can add that.  Sounds like a good idea
[17:54] <lazyPower> Kupo24z: ok, so it really is with just ceilometer, i'm not 100% familiar with the charm, but I would check the service to ensure its listening on the public address
[17:54] <lazyPower> i'm willing to bet its only exposed to the private address
[17:55] <lazyPower> actually
[17:55] <lazyPower> since you're ssh'd in, try to curl get the address on the private ip vs public ip
[17:55] <lazyPower> and see if it responds on one or the other
[17:55] <Kupo24z> this is the only thing (non -sshd) that its listening
[17:55] <Kupo24z> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:8777            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      8118/python
[17:56] <Kupo24z> PID 8118 is /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/ceilometer-api --log-dir=/var/log/ceilometer
[17:57] <lazyPower> Kupo24z: i've asked in #ubuntu-server, waiting on a response. I've not managed openstack outside of using the horizon dashboard
[20:03] <Kupo24z> Can someone assist with the ceph charm? are OSD devices physical disks or partitions to use for the ceph storage cluster?
[20:05] <lazyPower> Kupo24z: block storage devices.
[20:05] <lazyPower> eg: /dev/sda2
[20:05] <Kupo24z> Do they need to be unpartitioned disks or anything that is a traditional block device will work?
[20:06] <lazyPower> Kupo24z: i'm fairly certain it runs a format for you if it does not report as having a filesystem
[20:07] <Kupo24z> and im assuming all ceph nodes need to have the same block devies avalible if spawning multiple nodes since they all rely on the same config file
[20:21] <lazyPower> correct, unless you want to deploy named ceph nodes
[20:23] <mbruzek> Kupo24z, If you use a more recent source with the ceph charm you are able to use a directory as the storage device.
[20:25] <mbruzek> Kupo24z, I ran into a problem where the block devices were difficult to create, so I set the "source" configuration option to "cloud:precise-updates/havana" which gives you a more recent ceph
[20:27] <mbruzek> Kupo24z, With that version of ceph I was able to specify another config option 'osd-devices' to a non existing directory "/srv/osd/" and ceph created a block device there.
[20:31] <Kupo24z> mbruzek: wouldnt that create additional overhead if you are going through the filesystem for ceph storage?
[20:32] <Kupo24z> eg partition -> ext4 -> ceph vs partition -> ceph
[20:32] <mbruzek> yes but I thought you were asking how to create devices.   WRiting that down.
[21:26] <seepa> Hello, I'm trying to deploy juju-gui on local-provider (all in a lxc), but when I expose the service, agent-stat-info returns: '(error: error executing "lxc-clone": lxc_container: failed mounting /var/lib/lxc/juju-precise-template/rootfs onto /var/lib/lxc/juju-precise-template/rootfs; lxc_container: Error copying storage; clone failed)'
[21:27] <seepa> I'm running juju 1.18-0-trusty-amd64
[21:28] <rick_h_> seepa: you shouldn't need to expose things in the lxc environments. They don't support it
[21:29] <seepa> rick_h_: oh, I see.
[21:34] <seepa> rick_h_: The error occurs after juju deploy juju-gui.
[21:36] <rick_h_> seepa: oh hmm, yea looks like your error is with creating the lxc machine. I'm not sure on that end
[21:40] <seepa> how can juju even mount /var/lib/lxc/juju-precise-template/rootfs? /var/lib/lxc is owned by root rwx------ ...
[21:41] <seepa> well it can't, but tries to mount it
[21:57] <Kupo24z> Seems I cannot destroy a service if the relation is still open. Ive got Ceph as 'life: dying' however it just hangs there, probably because of an existing relation
[21:57] <Kupo24z> however when I try to remove the relation nothing happens, is there a force?
[22:24] <jose> Kupo24z: what's the state of the service?
[22:28] <Kupo24z> jose: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7232718/
[23:05] <lazyPower> Kupo24z: show me the full output of your status
[23:05] <lazyPower> if you haven't resolved it
[23:06] <Kupo24z> lazyPower: I just destroyed the environment and started over
[23:07] <lazyPower> Ok. If a dependent service that it's related to is in an error state
[23:07] <Kupo24z> Nothing was in error state
[23:07] <lazyPower> that error will need to be resolved before that service will continue being destroyed
[23:07] <Kupo24z> It wasnt removing a relation for some reason, no errors at all on juju status
[23:08] <lazyPower> Ok, if you run into it again ship me the full output listing from juju status and we can investigate from there
[23:08] <lazyPower> like, ping me. I'm half in half out tonight on IRC.
[23:08] <lazyPower> jose: did you get that branch pushed?
[23:38] <jose> lazyPower: yep, and MP updated
[23:38] <lazyPower> jose: awesome. I'll take a look after i eat dinner.
[23:38] <jose> enjoy!
[23:38] <lazyPower> thanks for the quick turn around and effort on that
[23:38] <jose> I hope it's something that actually works and follows the charm store policy
[23:39] <lazyPower> If it needs doctoring I'll be happy to doctor it up and submit a MP to your branch
[23:39] <lazyPower> then we'll poke matt or marco to take a look as confirmation
[23:39] <jose> awesome then :)


[00:08] <lifeless> poolie: interesting blog-link
[00:08] <poolie> thanks
[00:09] <poolie> i think we/i could do with more of that kind of focus too
[00:10] <poolie> there's a principle something like "if you don't do feature/project X, will you regret it in a year"?
[00:10] <poolie> that probably doesn't precisely work, but you know what i mean
[00:10] <poolie> perhaps
[00:10] <lifeless> yeah
[00:11] <poolie> whereas there really are other values Y that, if you don't get them done, you will regret
[00:12] <poolie> X might seem smaller so you might as well just try to do it along the way, but ... they add up, and estimation is impossible
[00:12] <lifeless> regret based scheduling
[00:12] <lifeless> I like it
[00:13] <poolie> :)
[00:23] <thumper> turning off code imports is very simple
[00:23] <thumper> we just stop the importers
[00:24] <thumper> take the importers offline
[00:24] <lifeless> thumper: a maintenance file has been created on disk
[00:24] <lifeless> thumper: see -ops backlog for the stats we looked at
[00:24] <thumper> lifeless: yeah, I see that there is only one import running
[00:24] <lifeless> bbiab
[01:03] <lifeless> flacoste: its not fixed
[01:03] <lifeless> mtaylor just had one
[01:04] <mtaylor> flacoste: http://paste.drizzle.org/show/165/
[01:14] <lifeless> poolie: have you spoken with flacoste already?
[01:14] <poolie> not on the phone and only briefly here
[02:05] <wgrant> lifeless: Do we know what has caused the excessive load to appear?
[02:37] <lifeless> wgrant: the machine itself is low load
[02:37] <lifeless> wgrant: but the appserver has all four threads active all the time
[02:38] <lifeless> wgrant: and we're seeing things like I pasted - with gaps like: 10.	37	2ms	SQL-launchpad-main-master	UPDATE Branch SET last_mirrored=CURRENT_TIMESTAMP AT TIME ZONE 'UTC', last_mirrored_id=%s WHERE Branch.id = %s
[02:38] <lifeless> 11.	15075	0ms	SQL-launchpad-main-master	INSERT INTO Job (status, attempt_count) VALUES (%s, %s) RETURNING Job.id
[02:39] <wgrant> lifeless: :/
[06:00] <lifeless> [06:00] <lifeless>     Hard / Soft  Page ID
[06:00] <lifeless>      571 / 7556  CodeImportSchedulerApplication:CodeImportSchedulerAPI
[06:00] <lifeless>      212 /   32  Person:+commentedbugs
[06:00] <lifeless>      169 /  590  CodehostingApplication:CodehostingAPI
[06:00] <lifeless>       46 /  157  BugTask:+index
[06:00] <lifeless>        8 /   10  ProjectGroup:+milestones
[06:00] <lifeless>        6 /  311  Distribution:+bugtarget-portlet-bugfilters-stats
[06:00] <lifeless>        5 /  262  Distribution:+bugs
[06:00] <lifeless>        5 /   15  Person:+bugs
[06:01] <lifeless>        5 /    7  DistroSeries:+queue
[06:01] <lifeless>        5 /    4  Archive:EntryResource:getBuildSummariesForSourceIds
[06:04] <cody-somerville> lifeless, I noticed your comment on LP #674305
[06:04] <_mup_> Bug #674305: bzr push reporting AssertionError on terminal <codehosting-ssh> <oem-services> <xmlrpc> <Launchpad Bazaar Integration:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/674305>
[06:04] <cody-somerville> I just got the error myself... dunno if thats useful information or not but thought I'd let you know
[06:06] <lifeless> cody-somerville: its widespread
[06:06] <lifeless> cody-somerville: I get it 2/3 pushes.
[06:06] <lifeless> we're working on it
[06:09] <cody-somerville> lifeless, Is the docstring for branchChanged method on the BranchFileSystemClient class wrong? "Mark a branch as needing to be mirrored. ..." - shouldn't that say 'scanned' instead of mirrored since hosted branches don't need to get 'mirrored' anymore?
[06:10] <lifeless> stale, yes
[06:10] <lifeless> we do still mirror branches from other servers
[06:10] <cody-somerville> right
[07:48] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build (141): FAILURE in 3 hr 43 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/141/
[07:48] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [rs=buildbot-poller] automatic merge from stable. Revisions: 11923,
[07:48] <LPCIBot> 11924, 11925 included.
[07:48] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [rs=buildbot-poller] automatic merge from stable. Revisions: 11918,
[07:48] <LPCIBot> 11919, 11920, 11921, 11922 included.
[07:48] <LPCIBot> * Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [rs=buildbot-poller] automatic merge from stable. Revisions: 11916,
[07:48] <LPCIBot> 11917 included.
[11:27] <LPCIBot> Project devel build (224): FAILURE in 3 hr 38 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/224/
[11:27] <LPCIBot> Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [release-critical=henninge][r=EdwinGrubbs][ui=none][bug=674672][rollback=11888]
[11:27] <LPCIBot> Make distroseries.getCurrentReleases faster.
[15:07] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build (142): STILL FAILING in 3 hr 39 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/142/
[15:07] <LPCIBot> Launchpad Patch Queue Manager: [rs=buildbot-poller] automatic merge from stable. Revisions: 11926
[15:07] <LPCIBot> included.
[18:19] <lifeless> morning
[18:53]  * cody-somerville hugs lifeless.
[18:53]  * cody-somerville hugs elmo.
[19:13] <lifeless> cody-somerville: thanks
[19:29] <lifeless> sinzui: hi
[19:29] <lifeless> sinzui: just want to say, love what you're doing to bugs atm.
[20:39] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[20:39] <LPCIBot> Project db-devel build (143): FIXED in 3 hr 59 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/143/
[21:22] <lifeless> jml: hi


[00:17] <StevenK> So, you have a dastardly plan?
[00:17] <StevenK> wgrant: &
[00:17]  * StevenK grumbles at his fingers.
[00:25] <wgrant> StevenK: Yeah, testing it on DF
[00:38]  * StevenK resurrects the redux branch
[00:52] <wgrant> StevenK: I have an equivalent that is 1ms rather than 1000ms, but I'm not sure that it is truly equivalent yet.
[00:54] <StevenK> wgrant: That was the problem? The query was taking 1 second per notification?
[00:55] <wgrant> StevenK: Calculating the structural subscribers for a private bug took 600-1200ms
[00:55] <wgrant> StevenK: And because the notification code is crap, it ran that calculation several times for a single operation.
[00:55] <wgrant> I have a query which fixes the slowness
[00:55] <wgrant> And I might refactor it all later to remove the duplication
[00:56] <wgrant> Since four separate bugnotificationrecipient timeouts plagued my last week
[00:57] <StevenK> wgrant: Ah, so the real smoking gun is the change in model/structuralsubscription.py
[00:58] <wgrant> StevenK: I believe so
[00:58] <wgrant> StevenK: Though dupe/etc subs may be similarly afflicted, they weren't important in this case.
[00:58] <wgrant> (probably since private bugs with dupes are relatively rare)
[01:15] <wgrant> StevenK: I've added the full suite of APGs on DF, so performance testing there should be more accurate.
[01:22]  * StevenK stabs django for lying
[01:25] <lifeless> StevenK: oh?
[01:28] <StevenK> lifeless: Figured it out. The docs could be clearer about lots of things.
[01:29]  * lifeless is no wiser
[01:30] <StevenK> lifeless: Adding commands that manage.py can execute
[01:42] <wgrant> Oh
[01:42] <wgrant> EXPLAIN ANALYZE gets a bit confused when dealing with UNIONed subqueries
[01:43] <wgrant>            ->  Index Scan using teamparticipation_team_key on public.teamparticipation  (cost=0.00..30.16 rows=8 width=8) (actual time=0.016..0.173 rows=56 loops=5)
[01:43] <wgrant>                  Output: public.teamparticipation.id, public.teamparticipation.team, public.teamparticipation.person
[01:43] <wgrant>                  Index Cond: (public.teamparticipation.team = (2794))
[01:43] <wgrant> What it actually means is "Index Cond: (public.teamparticipation.team = [result of UNIONed subquery that happens to start with a literal 2794])" :(
[01:43] <StevenK> Hah, helpfl
[01:43] <StevenK> *helpful
[01:45] <lifeless> wgrant: really ?
[01:45] <lifeless> wgrant: can I see the full explain analyze + original query ?
[01:47] <wgrant> lifeless: https://pastebin.canonical.com/71501/
[01:47] <wgrant> Observe the last couple of lines of the plan
[01:48] <wgrant> And how they make no sense unless it actually means the full UNIONed result
[01:50] <wgrant> Note also that the output of the HashAgg is '(2794)' because of that
[01:52] <wgrant> (ignore the Hash Semi Join... I'm trying to work out what it's doing there)
[01:55] <lifeless> What happens if you replace the select constant as grantee
[01:55] <lifeless> with select grantee from (select constant as grantee)
[01:55] <lifeless> I wonder if its misplanning entirely
[01:55] <lifeless> -> worried
[01:56] <wgrant> Nah, it just optimises that away
[02:02] <wgrant> The plan seems correct apart from the hash semi join.
[02:02] <wgrant> Which duplicates the other subplan, which is largely identical and more efficient
[02:02] <wgrant> I don't understand why it thinks it also needs the hash semi join
[02:09] <lifeless> 11294 Time Outs
[02:09] <lifeless> 6415 /    0  Branch:EntryResource:getMergeProposals
[02:09] <lifeless> ^ regression methinks
[02:09] <wgrant> lifeless: That's the bug you triaged a week ago
[02:09] <lifeless> ah'
[02:09] <wgrant> (and yes)
[02:09] <lifeless> i'm getting old in my young age.
[02:12] <spm> you have a beard. bearded people are old. qed.
[02:12] <spm> a 9yo expert in old people told me that.
[02:12] <wgrant> spm: He forgot that already
[02:12] <wgrant> Due to his age.
[02:12] <spm> clearly
[02:13] <StevenK> spm: '9yo expert' is a tautology
[02:13] <spm> not from the 9yo's perspective.
[02:13] <spm> ^^ relativity
[02:13] <lifeless> thats special
[02:13] <wgrant> StevenK: So, mind if I take over the structsubs branch?
[02:13] <StevenK> wgrant: ... to do what?
[02:14] <wgrant> StevenK: Make it fast.
[02:14] <wgrant> StevenK: I mean the private structsubs branch
[02:14] <StevenK> wgrant: If you like
[02:14] <wgrant> Not the information type one
[02:14] <StevenK> The model code has landed already.
[02:15] <StevenK> The UI will happen tomorrow now that get_bug_tags() no longer exists
[02:15] <wgrant> Right
[02:15] <StevenK> I'm still trying to bend django to my will
[02:16] <StevenK> It acts utterly and completly stuffed with :memory: sqlite
[02:22] <lifeless> StevenK: :(
[02:22] <lifeless> StevenK: it possibly is dropping all the handles to it
[02:22] <lifeless> StevenK: if thats the case, use a random /tmp path for the db
[02:28] <StevenK> lifeless: Yeah, I'm getting to that point
[02:35] <StevenK> lifeless: I thought it was a process thing last Monday -- as in, if I could do syncdb and runserver in one process, it should be fine. It isn't.
[02:35] <lifeless> StevenK: sorry for making your life hard
[02:35] <lifeless> StevenK: /tmp will be the go
[02:37] <StevenK> lifeless: Yeah, I have two choices there. Hard code /tmp/auditor.sql in auditor's config, or forcibly import auditor's settings in the fixture and mktemp
[02:38] <lifeless> StevenK: you don't want a hard coded path :)
[02:38] <lifeless> StevenK: If I can make a (little awkward but tolerable I think) suggestion.
[02:38] <StevenK> Yes I do, it will be EASY
[02:38] <StevenK> As opposed to that last thing you suggested
[02:39] <lifeless> it will fail horribly when you have concurrency.
[02:39] <lifeless> so, in your settings.py, consult an environment variable for the path
[02:39] <lifeless> if its not set, use whatever path you were using before the :memory: experinment.
[02:39] <lifeless> in the fixture, set a unique path using TemporaryDirectory to get a throwawy subtree.
[02:40] <lifeless> and export it via EnvironmentVariable
[02:40] <lifeless> (both are fixtures from fixtures)
[02:41] <StevenK> The fixture already creates a temp directory for the logfile, so that should be easy
[02:41] <lifeless> cool
[02:48] <StevenK> lifeless: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1131833/
[02:50] <lifeless> cool
[02:50] <StevenK> Now to hack the fixture
[02:51] <wgrant> There'd better not be a default of a well-known path in /tmp, or I will be unhappy :)
[02:52] <StevenK> wgrant: BLEH
[02:52] <StevenK> Because debugging via connecting to the DB is for chumps or something.
[02:53] <lifeless> wgrant: there will be, but the fixture will override it
[02:53] <lifeless> wgrant: and prod deploys will use postgresql.
[02:54] <lifeless> wgrant: so suck it up white boy :)
[02:54] <wgrant> lifeless: The fact that /tmp exposes a "create item by name" interface is a historical mistake.
[02:55] <wgrant> So a path of /tmp/auditor.sql doesn't make sense
[02:55] <wgrant> As it's not possible by sensible means to create a file with that path
[02:57] <StevenK> wgrant: So I'm supposed to make use of tempfile.mkstemp and just guess?
[02:57] <wgrant> Guess?
[02:57] <StevenK> Even though the fixture is going to override it and it's just for people wanting to run auditor's tests locally?
[02:58] <wgrant> Is any callsite not going to override the default?
[02:58] <wgrant> The test suite surely has to
[02:58] <wgrant> If nothing uses the default, then the default doesn't need to be there.
[02:59] <StevenK> There are three testsuites here -- auditor's, auditorfixture's and LP's.
[02:59] <StevenK> The fixture will override the default, so it's fine for the fixture itself and LP.
[02:59] <lifeless> the risk is that someone will attack your system by having a symlink to something you care about at that path
[02:59] <lifeless> but they can't generate arbitrary contents
[02:59] <wgrant> It's not a significant risk here.
[03:00] <wgrant> But it's something that people will copy.
[03:00] <wgrant> And it provides no value here
[03:00] <lifeless> so put big warning messages around it.
[03:00] <wgrant> => it should not exist
[03:00] <lifeless> wgrant: whats your alternative ?
[03:00] <lifeless> wgrant: whenever you find yourself saying 'has no value' please provide an alternative, as an existence proof, for something functionally equivalent.
[03:00] <StevenK> wgrant: It provides value for people being able to run auditor's test suite
[03:01] <lifeless> wgrant: and yes, I realise the irony that I didn't do that for ORM discussion.
[03:01] <lifeless> wgrant: I should have.
[03:01] <StevenK> Without having to set environment variable
[03:01] <wgrant> lifeless: Well, in order to use the default, I'd have to copy auditor.sql to /tmp/auditor.sql before running auditor. It's surely just as easy to set AUDITOR_SQL before running auditor.
[03:01] <wgrant> StevenK: Can't the test suite poke it in other ways?
[03:01] <lifeless> wgrant: huh?!
[03:01] <wgrant> Having the test suite use a single well-known commonly-conflicted path is not a good idea.
[03:01] <StevenK> wgrant: Like I said before, which test suite?
[03:01] <lifeless> wgrant: tell you what, to get StevenK moving along.
[03:01] <StevenK> There are three.
[03:02] <wgrant> StevenK: The one that would use /tmp/auditor.sql
[03:02] <wgrant> Any test suite using that is non-concurrent
[03:02] <lifeless> wgrant: understand we're *improving* the situation, it *used* to be just /tmp/auditor.sql always.
[03:02] <lifeless> wgrant: so file a bug, and StevenK can look at it later.
[03:02] <StevenK> Actually, it used to be /home/steven/auditor.sql ... :-(
[03:02] <lifeless> StevenK: hah, same issue though.
[03:03] <StevenK> Right
[03:07] <wgrant> Ah, if it's already worse, then OK :)
[03:11] <StevenK> Although, thinking about it, the testsuite doesn't use that, so the default can probably die
[03:12] <lifeless> StevenK: one step at a time
[03:12] <lifeless> StevenK: you may be right, but why yak shave when you don't need to.
[04:55] <StevenK> wgrant: Are you winning at making private structsubs fast?
[05:14] <wgrant> StevenK: Yes.
[05:15] <wgrant> Trying to also win at not making the queries horrid
[07:53] <adeuring> good morning
[11:27] <rick_h_> jcsackett: ping when you get in, quick ? for you
[13:56] <jcsackett> rick_h_: ping.
[13:57] <rick_h_> jcsackett: pong
[13:57] <deryck> adeuring, here's my branch, if you don't mind:  https://code.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/support-pape-max-auth-age/+merge/117781
[13:57] <rick_h_> jcsackett: nvm about earilier, don't think it'll work
[13:58] <adeuring> deryck: ok
[13:58] <jcsackett> rick_h_: ok.
[14:03] <jcsackett> rick_h_: hangout still planned for now?
[14:03] <rick_h_> jcsackett: yea, just hangouts not playing nice and starting up for me atm
[14:03] <rick_h_> 5th try to get it to load/start
[14:04] <deryck> rick_h_, are we using our url, or you starting a random one?
[14:04] <rick_h_> deryck: I'll try our url next I think
[14:04] <rick_h_> was trying to start a new one with no success
[14:04] <deryck> worked for me.
[14:21] <adeuring> deryck: r=me
[15:09] <rick_h_> jcsackett: so I'm going to go think for a bit around lunch. Do you want to get together for a call this afternoon and kind of run through some points?
[15:10] <jcsackett> rick_h_: sounds like a plan. have a particular time in mind?
[15:10] <rick_h_> jcsackett: shoot for 3:00?
[15:11] <jcsackett> sounds good.
[15:11] <rick_h_> cool, thanks
[15:21] <deryck> adeuring, thanks for the review
[15:53] <jcsackett> sinzui: ping.
[15:53] <sinzui> hello
[15:53] <jcsackett> sinzui: free to chat a bit?
[15:53] <sinzui> yes
[15:53] <jcsackett> fantastic.
[15:54] <jcsackett> sinzui: hangout invite sent.
[18:56] <rick_h_> jcsackett: up for hangout?
[18:56] <rick_h_> deryck: will want to put you on deck perhaps after this one as I try to get stuff talked over pre-EOD (heads up)
[18:56] <jcsackett> rick_h_: i'm free.
[18:57] <rick_h_> jcsackett: awesome
[18:57] <deryck> rick_h_, sure.
[18:57] <deryck> rick_h_, I'm done in an hour, since I started early and am at the beach.  Just to give you a heads up too ;)
[18:57] <rick_h_> deryck: ok, will try to go quick
[18:57] <jcsackett> rick_h_: we can keep ours short so you can talk to deryck.
[18:59] <jcsackett> rick_h_: can you send me the hangout invite? there are two of you in my G+ list and i'm not sure which to send the invite too. :P
[19:02] <lifeless> deryck: o/
[19:20] <nigelb> mwhudson: welcome back, post-new family member arrival :)
[19:21] <mwhudson> nigelb: thanks!
[19:23] <lifeless> mwhudson: wb
[19:23] <lifeless> mwhudson: everything go smoothly ?
[19:24] <mwhudson> lifeless: ended up with a c-section due to baby getting stuck on the way out, but aside from that everything is good
[19:24] <lifeless> mwhudson: woo (we did too)
[19:27] <mwhudson> ah right
[19:27] <mwhudson> it's a pretty intense 45 mins or so between them saying "we need to do a caesar" and getting it done :)
[19:27] <mwhudson> especially if everyone's been awake for 24 hours by that point
[19:28] <lifeless> mwhudson: I have /no idea/ how long it took
[19:28] <lifeless> tis all a blur
[19:28] <lifeless> I remember the operating room vividly
[19:28] <mwhudson> heh yeah
[19:28] <mwhudson> i remember being taken away and forcefully fed some carbs
[19:28] <lifeless> before, after or during ?
[19:29] <mwhudson> before the op
[19:29] <lifeless> interesting
[19:29] <lifeless> they didn't do that for me
[19:29] <lifeless> perhaps my weight dissuaded them :P
[19:31] <rick_h_> deryck: still got 10min?
[19:31] <deryck> rick_h_ sure
[19:31] <rick_h_> deryck: cool, normal hangout url?
[19:32] <lifeless> deryck: want to pick a time for a call?
[19:33] <deryck> lifeless, yeah.  let's do my Thursday afternoon, your Friday morning.  if that works for you.
[19:33] <lifeless> its clear
[19:58] <lifeless> sinzui: did my logic make sense w.r.t. mutually invisible teams in a project?
[20:04] <sinzui> lifeless: yes
[20:04] <sinzui> I asked Cody if they really use mutually invisible teams in a project?
[20:20] <lifeless> maxb: *headdesk* ** 100
[20:25] <maxb> indeed :-/
[22:59] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1133382/ is the traceback
[23:11] <wgrant> StevenK: Something under related_projects is throwing an AttributeError, probably.
[23:12] <wgrant> You may want to call it manually
[23:12] <wgrant> in a test or harness
[23:12] <wgrant> And see what the actual error s
[23:12] <wgrant> is
[23:35] <StevenK> wgrant: Sorted it out. Did you want to review the MP I just put up?
[23:36] <wgrant> StevenK: Am doing so
[23:48] <wgrant> StevenK: Just a few things that need fixing.
[23:51] <StevenK> wgrant: Thanks. I've never quite figured out how IStoreSelector maps to I{,Master,Slave}Store
[23:52] <wgrant> StevenK: DEFAULT_FLAVOR == IStore
[23:52] <wgrant> MASTER_FLAVOR = IMasterStore
[23:52] <wgrant> SLAVE_FLAVOR = ISlaveStore
[23:52] <wgrant> Webapp code should very very very very very rarely use anything other than IStore
[23:54] <lifeless> cjwatson: nominations seem like overkill to me
[23:55] <lifeless> cjwatson: we had to cripple *who* could nominate because folk just nominated everything.
[23:55] <cjwatson> I'm aware of that
[23:55] <lifeless> good good
[23:56] <cjwatson> Nevertheless our defect analysts etc. need to be able to target bugs, but we don't want them to have full driver privs
[23:56] <cjwatson> note target not nominate
[23:56] <lifeless> so target is a superset of nominate.
[23:56] <cjwatson> I know
[23:56] <cjwatson> BugNomination.canApprove => target
[23:57] <wgrant> cjwatson: What undesirable privilege does being a series driver convey?
[23:57] <lifeless> I am confused; perhaps you can describe the things you /don't/ want the defect analysts to do, and how often they do them today.


[02:18] <brousch> cmaloney: OH weird. This voice kit came with 2 stickers for a Hypnotic Dirge Records. How did they know what I like?
[02:23] <cmaloney> l)
[02:23] <cmaloney> brousch: Straaaange. :)
[15:07] <brousch> I got the picroft working with usb mic and external speakers, but couldn't get the hats working. Apparently someone made a special disk image for the AIY kit, but I used the standard image
[15:12] <brousch> Reminds me of why I haven't touched this kind of thing in 2 years :)
[17:55] <cmaloney> Yeah, you need the AIY image
[17:58] <cmaloney> https://community.mycroft.ai/t/mycroft-with-google-aiy-voice-kit-disk-image/2607
[17:58] <cmaloney> This is what I'm using
[21:51] <cmaloney> boop