[00:00] <Chotaz> ActionParsnip, nvm my problem, seems to have vanished
[00:00] <paulschreiber> escott: it's showing wheezy/sid, which makes no sense
[00:00] <ActionParsnip> Chotaz: sweet, best kind of problem
[00:01] <escott> paulschreiber, well because thats evidently what your system looks like to os-prober (which makes sense as ubuntu is based on sid)
[00:01] <Aethelred> I'm attempting to upgrade from grub to grub2. I'm following the instructions here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Upgrading  ... and what I'm seeing has diverged from what the guide says. I'm not sure what to do next.
[00:01] <escott> paulschreiber, but something has gone wrong because it should be able to detect itself (even in a raid system)
[00:01] <paulschreiber> escott: my botched 12.10 upgrade must have done something bad
[00:02] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, do i point to tmpfs or .cache?
[00:02] <paulschreiber> escott: i had to boot in recovery mode, and can only boot with 3.2 (3.5 won't work in recovery mode)
[00:02] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: sigh
[00:02] <escott> paulschreiber, well 3.5 is a newer kernel so it might not like the hardware
[00:02] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: sudo mkdir /run/chromium; rm -r /home/ace/.cache/chromium
[00:02] <MarcN> hmm, hud-service and unity-panel-service procs seem to spike CPU when moving betweetn photos in f-spot -- does that make sense?!
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: then run:   ln -s /run/chromium /home/ace/.cache/chromium
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: sudo chown ace:ace /run/chromium
[00:04] <WeThePeople> actionparnsip, i have the tmpfs in ram setup do i need to undo this for these scripts to work?
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: in /etc/rc.local add the command to make the folder and chown it to your user above the 'exit 0' line
[00:04] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: then change the folder and you ar egolden
[00:04] <meant0m> so i screwed up my ubuntu12.10 desktop.  i removed unity and compiz and now i can get unity installed again.  i get the following error message
[00:04] <meant0m> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[00:04] <meant0m> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[00:04] <meant0m> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[00:04] <meant0m> or been moved out of Incoming.
[00:04] <meant0m> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[00:04] <FloodBot1> meant0m: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:05] <NomadJim> I'm coming from debian. Is there much of a difference administrating an ubuntu server versus a debian one?
[00:05] <wyclif> escott: just tried running sudo do-release-upgrade, but it returns "an upgrade from jaunty to lucid is not supported by this tool"
[00:05] <escott> paulschreiber, afraid its a bit hard to guess what might be messed up following the installer crash
[00:05] <qmanjr5> Does anyone know of any online screen sharing software such as Join.me that works on Linux? Or software like ManyCam that works?
[00:06] <paulschreiber> escott: my packages are also messed up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333588/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333587/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333582/
[00:07] <meant0m> sorry, didnt mean to flood... ill use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[00:07] <escott> NomadJim, not particularly
[00:07] <escott> NomadJim, there are a few additional tools mostly related to non-free stuff (like proprietary drivers)
[00:08] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, is /run in 12.04?
[00:09] <escott> WeThePeople, i thought that was a 12.10 addition
[00:09] <paulschreiber> escott: i seem to have circular unmet dependencies
[00:09] <NomadJim> escott:  cool. The only thing I can think I've seen is that it's different to restart a service on ubuntu
[00:09] <WeThePeople> escott, idk
[00:09] <NomadJim> escott:  wasn't sure if there were a bunch of gotchas like that
[00:09] <escott> paulschreiber, so you either have to chase those down and somehow fix them... or just backup your files and do a clean install which is what i woudl do
[00:09] <blackshirt> paulschreiber, i think you was using ppa repo, was that right ?
[00:10] <meant0m> so i screwed up my ubuntu12.10 desktop.  i removed unity and compiz and now i can get unity installed again.  i get the following error message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333596/
[00:10] <escott> NomadJim, i dont do much with debian and im sure there are differences but most of the stuff on debian-administrators.org is pretty well applicable to ubuntu
[00:10] <paulschreiber> blackshirt: no, no ppa
[00:10] <escott> NomadJim, provided you know about things like upstart
[00:10] <escott> !upstart | NomadJim
[00:11] <blackshirt> paulschreiber, all of components have you activated ?
[00:11] <paulschreiber> blackshirt: pardon?
[00:12] <escott> wyclif, sorry im fresh out of ideas... i would probably just buy new hardware, dont know if thats an option for you
[00:12] <blackshirt> paulschreiber, main restricted multiverse and universe
[00:13] <NomadJim> escott:  thanks
[00:13] <paulschreiber> blackshirt: sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333604/
[00:15] <clutchhack> hey gusy
[00:15] <clutchhack> guys
[00:15] <clutchhack> how is everyone doing
[00:15] <meant0m> good thanks
[00:15] <clutchhack> what is everyone up to
[00:16] <escott> clutchhack, please take the chit chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:16] <qmanjr5> Is there a way to make a 'webcam' from my desktop?
[00:16] <meant0m> can anyone help me with getting unity back installed?
[00:17] <escott> qmanjr5, meaning what
[00:17] <clutchhack> escott, sorry new to this chat
[00:17] <escott> clutchhack, "/join #ubuntu-offtopic" and you can talk in there
[00:17] <meant0m> qmanjr5: have you checked out the application cheese from the software center
[00:18] <BluPhenix316> does ubuntu have a good alternative to Active Directory?
[00:19] <escott> !samba | BluPhenix316
[00:19] <escott> !ldap | BluPhenix316
[00:19] <BluPhenix316> so a combination of Samba and OpenLDAP?
[00:20] <bekks> BluPhenix316: Only OpenLDAP. Samba is the replacement for the file share part of Windows only.
[00:20] <escott> BluPhenix316, depends on what features you need from AD. AD is pretty broad set of features
[00:21] <BluPhenix316> i'm very new to all of this, i'm in school now for network administration, and I was having a dicussion with one of my teachers because they never mention linux and they told me the problem with linux is it doesn't have a good alternative to active directory
[00:21] <escott> BluPhenix316, samba4 (which is currently alpha) is meant to encompass all of AD in a single package
[00:21] <BluPhenix316> i don't know anything about this, so i'm trying to do my research
[00:22] <BluPhenix316> so OpenLDAP covers network log on and permissions?
[00:23] <qmanjr5> meant0m: Before I install this, are you sure this'll work from my desktop, or is it only for webcams?
[00:23] <qmanjr5> escott: A virtual webcam
[00:23] <escott> qmanjr5, a virtual webcam?? so this would be a camera that takes picture of virtual people in a virtual world?
[00:23] <loculinuxf> ello
[00:23] <loculinuxf> friens
[00:24] <escott> BluPhenix316, but openldap is to sync your usernames and passwords across different systems (combine that with nfs to sync the users home files and such)
[00:25] <qmanjr5> *sigh*
[00:25] <qmanjr5> escott: No. :P
[00:26] <meant0m> anyone know how to fix broken packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333634/
[00:27] <qmanjr5> escott: Similar to desktop sharing, but so I'm able to use it on websites such as TinyChat or uStream.
[00:27] <qmanjr5> Similar to ManyCam for Windows.
[00:27] <meant0m> qmanjr5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[00:27] <escott> qmanjr5, none of these programs mean anything to me
[00:28] <trism> meant0m: do you have quantal-proposed enabled?
[00:28] <BluPhenix316> oh wow from the Samba 4 information this looks exactly what I need to bring up, its only in release candidate phase though
[00:28] <OerHeks> !info webcamstudio
[00:29] <qmanjr5> OerHeks: I've tried webcamstudio, but the output doesn't work.
[00:29] <trism> meant0m: or rather, pastebin: apt-cache policy unity libunity-core-6.0-5 unity-services
[00:29] <escott> BluPhenix316, depends on if you need windows integration of a pure UNIX solution
[00:29] <meant0m> qmanjr5: I cant guarantee that it will work with your desktop but give it a try! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[00:29] <escott> BluPhenix316, for a pure UNIX environment ldap+NFS would be your best choice
[00:29] <meant0m> trism: thanks, will do that!
[00:30] <david> oh
[00:30] <david> i come
[00:30] <david> i come
[00:31] <Guest56752> dear
[00:31] <Guest56752> oh,my god
[00:32] <qmanjr5> meant0m: Cheese just gave this error: http://pastebin.com/mXzDtFYb
[00:32] <Guest56752> i am from china
[00:32] <escott> BluPhenix316, samba4 has been in development for a long time you could probably use it in a small environment without too much trouble. i wouldn't recommend it if you can get fired though, but if the biggest risk is your wife making you sleep on the couch...
[00:32] <meant0m> trism: here is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333657/
[00:33] <onazari> how to open .pfx in linux?
[00:33] <trism> meant0m: sudo apt-get install unity-services/quantal;
[00:33] <escott> onazari, what is a pfx
[00:33] <trism> meant0m: you have a leftover package from -proposed it seems
[00:33] <BluPhenix316> escott: nah this is just conversation to have with my teacher, i'm trying to promote more linux/bsd in my school, all our classes are windows and cisco
[00:34] <onazari> certificated file
[00:34] <escott> onazari, from what application?
[00:34] <Mayazcherquoi> Vote for Linux: http://www.robertsspaceindustries.com/poll-additional-stretch-goals/
[00:34] <escott> onazari, perhaps gpg if this is a pgp file of some kind
[00:35] <BluPhenix316> my cisco teacher is also currently the program director of the networking technologies degree
[00:35] <onazari> i have a pdf file need key installation to open
[00:36] <[snake]> Can I make a script that opens multiple files in gedit tabs?
[00:36] <meant0m> trism: awesome! so that worked. it downgraded unity-services.  So should I now do: sudo apt-get install unity
[00:36] <[snake]> I should try just making one that opens some... and see, before asking.
[00:36] <trism> meant0m: yeah you should be able to now
[00:37] <onazari> this file is include this key http://www.chap.sch.ir/pdf/KeyInstallationGuide.pdf
[00:37] <BluPhenix316> man either ubuntu needs to rename unity, or unity game engine needs to rename their engine
[00:37] <escott> [snake], gedit file1 & gedit file2 & gedit file3
[00:37] <BluPhenix316> was just discussion game development with the unity engine and i looked here and see people installing unity, i had to think for a minute hehe
[00:37] <OerHeks> onazari, this is an old howto ( 2007) but still valid >> http://rackerhacker.com/2007/03/23/exporting-ssl-certificates-from-windows-to-linux/
[00:38] <Snowie> howdy all. Would like to play around with some game development. preferably simple 3d. syntensity is no longer developed, and octaforge is far to beta. Anyone recommend a well documented sandbox style environment to play around with??? cheers
[00:38] <[snake]> escott, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. for some reason I have a bad habit of coming on here and asking questions that are obvious :P
[00:38] <blackshirt> bluephoenix316, are you sure ?
[00:38] <[snake]> escott, (at least for me- if I thought about it for a second)
[00:39] <[snake]> escott, also shouldn't there be two & symbols or am I wrong?
[00:39] <BluPhenix316> blackshirt: sure about what?
[00:39] <escott> [snake], & and && have different meanings. the first says "run all these in the background" the second says "wait until the first completes and if successful run the next"
[00:39] <Linkandzelda> So I just downloaded all packages named "gtk3-*" was that a good thing to do?
[00:39] <blackshirt> bluephoenix316, game development relies on unity ?
[00:39] <OerHeks> BluPhenix316, Ubuntu is not going to change the name "unity" so what do you do now ?
[00:40] <meant0m> qmanjr5: checkout http://askubuntu.com/questions/110725/why-can-i-not-start-cheese
[00:40] <[snake]> escott, ahh. thanks!! I actually didn't know that :P
[00:40] <almoxarife> Linkandzelda: probably not
[00:40] <BluPhenix316> blackshirt, no there is a game engine, that runs on linux called Unity
[00:40] <escott> [snake], gui applications usually background themselves when they detect that they are running in shell so the behavior is much the same, but the semantics are different
[00:40] <BluPhenix316> its not ubuntu's desktop enviornment called unity
[00:40] <Linkandzelda> almoxarife: really? :/
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> BluPhenix316: unity is a shell
[00:41] <BluPhenix316> right, shell to gnome
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> BluPhenix316: gnome is the desktop for Ubuntu
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[00:41] <BluPhenix316> sorry, i need to be more specific ;-)
[00:41] <almoxarife> Linkandzelda: then again, you won't have to worry about missing anything gtk3 either
[00:41] <BluPhenix316> anyhoo, a lot of kickstarter games that are being made for linux are using the unity game engine
[00:42] <meant0m> trism: unity installed without error.  thank you so much, i researched this for hours.
[00:42] <Linkandzelda> almoxarife: that was my plan lol, lots of themes im trying for gtk3 and they seem to be broken
[00:42] <arty> Did you guy try ubuntu studio yet?
[00:42] <trism> meant0m: excellent
[00:42] <meant0m> trism: how do i set it up so that when i restart, unity loads up
[00:42] <BluPhenix316> speaking of which, unity is really growing on me, i definately like it a whole lot better than gnome-shell
[00:42] <OerHeks> arty, join #ubuntustudio
[00:43] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, see 10.04 in this page>>> http://goo.gl/nXr8h , i am in the process of editing chromium in 10.04 section of that page, what command do i use from http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333562/ , this is what the command is set to right now >>> /usr/bin/chromium-browser %U for the chromium launcher on my panel
[00:44] <trism> meant0m: it should remember your choice (if you have unity-greeter the cog in the corner next to your user name selects the session)
[00:45] <meant0m> trism: cool, im going to give it a shot!  hopefully i'll brb soon :D
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: I gave you the method already
[00:47] <almoxarife> WeThePeople: chromium='chromium-browser' process name/d
[00:49] <BluPhenix316> hey is cairo dock good? i usually use AWN, but apparently it isn't being developed anymore
[00:50] <WeThePeople> bluphenix316, yes
[00:50] <meant0m> trism: you rock. it worked
[00:51] <WeThePeople> almoxarife, is that the command for the launcher
[00:52] <trism> meant0m: happy to hear it
[00:52] <almoxarife> WeThePeople: launcher?
[00:52] <WeThePeople> almoxarife, what were you referring to
[00:53] <BluPhenix316> is the only way to view netflix in ubuntu, through a vm with windows on it?
[00:53] <paulschreiber> escott: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333684/
[00:54] <escott> BluPhenix316, yes
[00:54] <almoxarife> WeThePeople: chromium process/prog is 'chromium-browser' in ubuntu
[00:54] <BluPhenix316> bummer
[00:54] <escott> paulschreiber, yeah? is this after you removed 30_os-prober
[00:54] <Chotaz> How can I make sure that upon restart, my second HDD(NTFS) is mounted before a daemon (deluged) is ran?
[00:55] <paulschreiber> no. i just rebooted
[00:55] <paulschreiber> via recovery mode
[00:56] <Sean21_> Quick question folks, when it says to boot up with the live cd and then run a live session, does that meaan click "Try Ubuntu"?
[00:56] <escott> Chotaz, you can edit the upstart dependencies for deluged's upstart file
[00:56] <almoxarife> Chotaz: insure the partion is added/shown in the file 'fstab' , /etc/fstab
[00:56] <escott> paulschreiber, ok... not sure what that was meant to accomplish then
[00:56] <IdleOne> Sean21_: yes
[00:56] <Sean21_> Thanks
[00:57] <paulschreiber> escott: trying to see if i can get it to boot via the default choice "ubuntu", but that just hangs and complains that there's no /dev/shm
[00:57] <Chotaz> almoxarife, my problem is when I restart my computer and deluged starts scanning /media/user/MyBook for my torrents it wont find it and I have to manually recheck my torrents when this happens
[00:58] <Chotaz> escott, the upstart file I created was simply following a guide, I have no clue how to accomplish that, can you help me with it?
[00:58] <alecb> I'm trying to compile dmenu with xft support, and my makefile is complaining about: /usr/include/ft2build.h:56:38: fatal error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory
[00:58] <alecb> apt-file tells me I have the packages with that file, though
[00:59] <puff> I'm working with a setup with four machines PXE booting ubuntu thin client off a central server (ubuntu 10.3.4 LTS I think).  The users just enter the username (e.g. terminal1, terminal2 etc) and no password. Occasionally somebody fumble-fingers and it brings up a gnome screen-saver, but of course there's no password, so they can't escape it.  Even rebooting the client machine doesn't unlock it.
[00:59] <[snake]> alecb, check if the file is there... if not. remove the include statement for it or anyything referencing it.
[01:00] <almoxarife> Chotaz: is /media/user shown in the file /etc/fstab ?
[01:00] <[snake]> puff, give the users passwords maybe. Though I'm not telling you how to run your servers just a suggestion.
[01:00] <paulschreiber> 12.10: the purple boot screen  "the disk drive for /dev/shm is not ready yet or not present"
[01:00] <paulschreiber> how do i fix that?
[01:00] <puff> How do I either a) figure out the passwords for the terminal, or b) lock out gnome screen saver somehow.?
[01:00] <[snake]> puff you could remove gnome screensaver
[01:00] <puff> [snake]: They're roughly equiv to cybercafe machines..
[01:00] <puff> [snake]: HM, good point.
[01:01] <escott> Chotaz, you'll have to read the upstart documentation, but the "start on BLAH" line in the /etc/init/deluged.conf dictates when deluged starts you need to ensure that that happens AFTER the required filesystem is mounted. perhaps by checking for the existence of a particular file you might put in the folder you will mount?
[01:01] <[snake]> puff, cybercafe machines should have passwords in my opinion as well. don't want stranger installing random warez on your linux.
[01:02] <[snake]> that is if I'm getting the cyber cafe term correct
[01:02] <superlou> Has anyone had luck setting up a video-on-demand streaming server on ubuntu?  I keep trying to get Red5 working, but have connection problems (even from localhost)
[01:02] <almoxarife> superlou: install xbmc , its fool proof
[01:02] <puff> Cool, removing the gnome-screensaver package seems to have removed lock screen from the menu.   I guess the dmenu source is just referencing it wrong or something?
[01:03] <escott> puff, a reboot should clear everything off the system. i don't understand why a pxe boot would not come back clean
[01:03] <meant0m> superlou: xmbc for sure
[01:03] <superlou> almoxarife, that can do rtmp streaming (not sure if that's the right keyword).  Trying to embed it onto a website via JWPlayer or similar
[01:03] <[snake]> alecb, hmm... I'm not sure :(
[01:03] <puff> Cool.
[01:03] <superlou> almoxarife, meant0m, basically need to create my own vimeo (though significanlty simpler)
[01:04] <puff> escott: Yeah, except we dont' want to have to reboot all four machines when everybody's working.
[01:04] <almoxarife> superlou: not sure
[01:04] <puff> escott: Rebooting the thin client machine didn't reset the gnome session, AFAICT.
[01:04] <Chotaz> almoxarife, apparently not, only my system's and it's swap partition are there
[01:04] <escott> puff, im just wondering if something more fundamental is mis-configured. a reboot should be whipping everything off the system
[01:04] <escott> puff, is there some kind of filesystem that is mounted rw that shouldn't be?
[01:04] <almoxarife> Chotaz: is /media/user shown in the file /etc/mtab ? that's mtab
[01:05] <puff> Entirely possible... this thing already has a messed up network config, it doesn't get a connection on reboot, I have to login and do a sudo dhclient and then everything works fine.
[01:05] <puff> escott: Well it's a thin client setup... you undersatnd?
[01:05] <puff> escott: E.g. the client machien is rebooted, but all the client machine is really doing is displaying a user's gnome session that's actually running on the central server.
[01:05] <Chotaz> almoxarife, it is
[01:06] <meant0m> superlou: not sure, ill have to do some looking around.  whats the problem your having with Red5
[01:06] <puff> escott: So it makes a sort of sense that rebooting the client machine doesn't necessarily reboot the user's gnome session.
[01:06] <[snake]> tohtori_, escott I think he means the problem is the server serving broken gnome screensaver
[01:06] <[snake]> sorry tohtori_ Idk why you were there lol
[01:06] <almoxarife> Chotaz: using gedit in gksu mode, edit fstab to include the line you see in mtab showing '/media/user'
[01:06] <escott> puff, ok... but the users aren't real (AKA trusted) users which is why they dont have passwords and meaningful usernames --- right?? so if thats the case then everything they do should be discarded and their session restored from a blank image when they disconnect
[01:07] <meant0m> superlou: have you tried Theorur
[01:07] <Chotaz> almoxarife, do you mind telling me, that besides probably fixing my problem what are we achieving with this?
[01:07] <superlou> meant0m, got it installed via repository, and can see it at localhost:5080, but when I try to "install a ready-made application" (which seems to be an important step), I receive Error NetConnection.Connect.Failed.  Have been trawling the net trying to find a solution but no luck yet
[01:07] <almoxarife> Chotaz: sure, you are making that partion 'live' from boot time
[01:08] <escott> puff, in any case what you need to do is modify the default image to disable the gnome-screensaver by just uninstalling the application
[01:08] <puff> escott: Yeah, that's what it's set up as now, but that's not always the way thin clients are done.
[01:08] <puff>
[01:08] <superlou> meant0m, hadn't heard about it, but i've got a requiremnet to do H.264 encoding
[01:08] <puff> escott: Cool, thanks, did that and it seems to be working okay.
[01:08] <escott> puff, my point is the config sounds off from a security setup. if i dont trust them to give them passwords i dont want to save anything from one boot to the next. i want them to be reimaged on every pxe boot
[01:08] <superlou> almoxarife, it looks like some folks used xbmc as rtmp source, but it looks more like a hack than a solution :)
[01:08] <[snake]> escott, I agree!
[01:09] <puff> escott: I get that, but I'm pretty sure the actual client machine *is* reimaged, but that doesn't mean the gnome user session is killed.  I'd prefer that happen too.
[01:09] <puff> escott: But this setup is only going to live a few more days, then it's going to be torn down, so I'll leave a note for the teardown admins and they can maybe fix that for the future :-).
[01:09] <puff> [snake], escott: mucho thanks for your help.
[01:09] <almoxarife> superlou: i have xbmc serving up via upnp, i watch it on a rooted kindle tablet, i am not sure how it would serve up with other protocol
[01:10] <[snake]> puff, no problem! :)
[01:10] <escott> puff, the way this probably works is thin client runs X server runs VNC client to connect to VNC server on real system
[01:10] <escott> puff, and the VNC server needs to trigger a gnome-session-logout when it sees the VNC client on the thinclient logout
[01:11] <Chotaz> almoxarife, just restarted the machine in question, everything is working now, thanks!
[01:11] <almoxarife> Chotaz: good :)
[01:11] <Linkandzelda> is there any way I can clone my current Ubuntu install onto another system?
[01:11] <Chotaz> ghost4linux
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> Linkandzelda: dd or rsync
[01:11] <[deXter]> Linkandzelda, clonezilla
[01:12] <almoxarife> Linkandzelda: you don't want to clone to another system unless they are identical
[01:12] <escott> !clone | Linkandzelda
[01:12] <Chotaz> !automate
[01:13] <meant0m> superlou: have you checked out -- http://flexion.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/my-first-struggle-with-red5-server/
[01:15] <superlou> meant0m, looking now.  All this makes me wary of red5.  I wonder if i'm going about this the wrong way.  Maybe I don't need a streaming server to get JWPlayer to play them.  Will try that really quick.
[01:15] <Chotaz> almoxarife, ActionParsnip and escott, thanks for the help, I've learned now not to mess with the purge command ^^
[01:16] <spaceneedle> Apport-gtk is using a high amount of cpu--according to Top.
[01:16] <Snowie> looks like platinum arts studio is the answer
[01:17] <[snake]> spaceneedle, which cpu do you have?
[01:17] <birdontophat> I'm having difficulty with persuading smplayer to use VDPAU and get the error "Cannot find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x31637661" when I run mplayer with -vo vdpau -vc ffmpeg12vdpau
[01:17] <birdontophat> anyone have an idea why that might happen?
[01:18] <Sean21_> Noob question, where is the "System-<Administration
[01:18] <spaceneedle> intel pentium dual core. Ubuntu 12.10--32 bit version.
[01:18] <Sean21_> System->Administration
[01:18] <[snake]> Sean21_, it's in the Applications menu on mine... which desktop are you using.
[01:18] <Sean21_> 12.10
[01:19] <[snake]> !who spaceneedle
[01:19] <[snake]> oops
[01:19] <[snake]> !who
[01:19] <idodeisuke> !who
[01:19] <idodeisuke> !who idodeisuke
[01:19] <Chotaz> !tab lol
[01:19] <idodeisuke> !tab roflmao
[01:20] <Sean21_> !who
[01:20] <Sean21_> !tab
[01:20] <[snake]> Sean21_, I assume that means you're using whatever came with ubuntu 12.10
[01:20] <Sean21_> correct
[01:20] <[snake]> I don't know about it... sorry. :(
[01:21] <[snake]> spaceneedle, It must be because your cpu is old.
[01:21] <[snake]> spaceneedle, but maybe it is unusually high cpu usage?
[01:21] <meant0m> Sean21_, what are you trying to do in system -- administration?
[01:21] <Sean21_> is usb-creator installed with ubuntu?
[01:21] <Snowie> for this error bash: /usr/bin/sandbox: Permission denied am i right that chmod +x should give me permission to run it the same as shell scripts?
[01:22] <spaceneedle> snake:my laptop is 4yrs old.
[01:22] <phillijw> anyone know hwo I can set up a samba share that is actually an external usb drive?
[01:22] <phillijw> I already tried setting up symlinks but it doesnt show the symlinks on the share from remote computers
[01:22] <Sean21_> usb creator, meant0m
[01:22] <superlou> meant0m, well, if i don't care about people snatching my videos and downloading them, i don't even need a bloody streaming server.  nice
[01:22] <[snake]> spaceneedle, it's ok. I'm not sure what apport-gtk is so maybe you can end it if you know what you're doing with killall gtk. but if you don't know about it I wouldn't just kill it like that.
[01:23] <escott> Snowie, anything in /usr/bin should be owned by root. if you manually install something it should NEVER be placed in /usr/bin use /usr/local/bin instead
[01:23] <[snake]> err... killall apport-gtk not gtk spaceneedle
[01:23] <almoxarife> Sean21_: should be, called something like 'startup disk' i believe
[01:23] <[snake]> of course I am the one to tell people to type my name out and it start with brackets haha.
[01:23] <Sean21_> It says to find in System->Administration
[01:23] <Sean21_> That I cant find
[01:23] <spaceneedle> snake:thanks!
[01:23] <DasEi> Sean21_: depends on your setup, but always can install usb-creator-gtk
[01:24] <escott> Snowie, its also possible that error is from inside /usr/bin/sandbox (ie sandbox is running and then tries to do something and gets the permission error)
[01:24] <Snowie> it was the default installer for the app. it said it would install in /usr/share/local/games. but the command $ sandbox gives me that error
[01:24] <[snake]> apparently spaceneedle just wanted to quit the program... he should have said so. :P
[01:24] <almoxarife> Sean21_: hit alt-f2 , type in 'startup'
[01:24] <Snowie> perhaps. tested with sudo and command not found error. not really keen to run it as root, or change my path
[01:24] <abdelazizpc> salam alikom
[01:25] <meant0m> Sean21_, click on the unity icon up at the top left and type in Startup Disk Creator
[01:25] <[snake]> abdelazizpc, arabic?
[01:25] <hetRidler> hi
[01:25] <hetRidler> how do i make my .wav files into an audio cd
[01:25] <Snowie> hmm, any suggestions to hunt down what might be going wrong?
[01:25] <paulschreiber> escott: root@green:~# sudo update-initramfs -k all -u
[01:25] <paulschreiber> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-32-generic
[01:25] <paulschreiber> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.27-11-generic
[01:25] <paulschreiber> grep: /boot/config-2.6.27-11-generic: No such file or directory
[01:25] <Sean21_> hmmm
[01:25] <drenyx> me
[01:25] <Sean21_> That wont work with a usb drive
[01:26] <meant0m> superlou, lol!
[01:26] <paulschreiber> escott: i certainly don't have 2.6.27 anywhere
[01:26] <[snake]> paulschreiber, Please use pastebin next time if you can. :)
[01:26] <escott> paulschreiber, you could purge it with dpkg
[01:26] <meant0m> Sean21_, what are you trying to do?
[01:26] <paulschreiber> escott: dpkg -l |grep 2.6.27 returns nothing
[01:26] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: do you have synaptic package manager?
[01:26] <caffeinegum> hetRidler, Winff?
[01:27] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: pretty sure no. what's that?
[01:27] <Sean21_> I need to run boot-repair
[01:27] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: gui for deb management
[01:27] <[snake]> caffeinegum, I think winff is just a gui for ffmpeg which converts media.
[01:27] <[snake]> maybe brasero for burining ausio cds
[01:27] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i'm sshd in to a headless box.
[01:27] <[snake]> lol burining :P
[01:27] <escott> paulschreiber, try dpkg -l "*linux*"
[01:28] <Snowie> my bad all. turns out the package i want is in the repo's anyway. will install from there and test
[01:28] <DasEi> Sean21_:grub ?
[01:28] <DasEi> !grub
[01:28] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: which kernel is the one you want to toss?
[01:28] <Sean21_> Yes
[01:28] <paulschreiber> escott: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333727/
[01:28] <Sean21_> I installed ubuntu after windows
[01:28] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i have 3.2 and 3.5 installed
[01:29] <Sean21_> But for whatever reason when I finished installing ubuntu and restarted the computer, windows 7 booted up and no grub menu was there
[01:29] <DasEi> Sean21_: follow first link, use a live cd or grub-recuecd cd
[01:29] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i am booted in to 3.2
[01:29] <meant0m> Sean21_, have you checked out -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[01:29] <DasEi> Sean21_: ask if unsure
[01:29] <escott> paulschreiber, if dpkg no longer things they are installed i guess you could just rm them. its not like your system isn't already pretty well borked
[01:29] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i have no idea where it's finding 2.6 anything
[01:29] <paulschreiber> escott: where? they're not in /boot
[01:29] <luffy> ledah?
[01:29] <Sean21_> ok
[01:29] <midnightcoffee> Say i'm inside vim is there a command i can run to maximize my terminal to my entire screen and then maybe reverse it back to how it was...
[01:30] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: run 'update-grub'
[01:30] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333734/
[01:31] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, please be a little more specific. hitting the maximize button will maximize the terminal.
[01:31] <escott> paulschreiber, why not just reinstall
[01:31] <paulschreiber> escott: how? i don't have physical access to the machine
[01:31] <escott> paulschreiber, without knowing where the upgrade went south there is no telling what else you might end up having to fix
[01:31] <midnightcoffee> snake, is there a key i press rather then moving my mouse to hit the button
[01:31] <DasEi> Sean21_: just put the nick you want to talk to, so your message gets highlighte on the other side when replying
[01:31] <DasEi> d*
[01:32] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: so you are good with the 3.5 , booted into it already?
[01:32] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: no, booted into 3.2
[01:32] <Linkandzelda> can somone tell me why all 16gb of my ram gets compeltly cached after 2-3 hours of use?
[01:32] <luffy> oh
[01:33] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: reboot into the 3.5 if that's the one you want to be in, then again via ssh you are at the mercy of things working out
[01:33] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, I just tried all of the alt+fx keys. so I don't think there is one :/
[01:33] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, besides alt f4 thats bad
[01:33] <escott> Linkandzelda, because you paid for it
[01:34] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i'm unable to get 3.5 to boot
[01:34] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, this would be a perfect question for google! since it's not really a problem :P
[01:34] <escott> Linkandzelda, if you spent money to buy the ram, and you spend money to power the ram, wouldnt it make sense for the kernel to use the ram
[01:34] <thomrenault> hey I need help getting permission to read and write on my external hdd
[01:34] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, no offense it's just lazy. unless you're missing a mouse. in that case sorry.
[01:34] <escott> thomrenault, can you paste.ubuntu.com the output of "mount" on the terminal'
[01:34] <Linkandzelda> escott: yea, that makes sense. but crashing and errors of being out of kernel memory dont make sense
[01:35] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: when you boot back with 3.2 , does/did it retain the boot.log from the 3.5?
[01:35] <escott> Linkandzelda, then that would suggest some kind of memory leak
[01:35] <Linkandzelda> escott: I bet its from chromium
[01:35] <ActionParsnip> midnightcoffee: what client are you using?
[01:36] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: i haven't booted in to 3.5 afaik. where's the boot log?
[01:36] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: /var/log/boot?????.log ?
[01:36] <escott> Linkandzelda, the kernel should be pretty protective of its own memory, a userspace application should not cause the kernel to run out of memory. i thought you were saying that after a few hours the free memory in "free -m" was zero because it was all in the cached line which is actually a good desirable behavior
[01:37] <paulschreiber> almoxarife: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333743/
[01:37] <thomrenault> .... /dev/sdb1 on /media/Odysseus type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other ,default_permissions, blksize=4096)
[01:37] <escott> Linkandzelda, if you get a kernel oops b/c the kernel is out of memory (and not an out of memory application kill) after a few hours then its likely a driver issue
[01:37] <midnightcoffee> AcctionParsnip, i'm afraid i don't understand. The window maximize thing is something i need most often when codeing in vim through the terminal.
[01:37] <Linkandzelda> escott: well, I ran htop, and the bar was compeltly full, but 75% of it was yellow to indicate cache
[01:37] <thomrenault> I'm not having issues writing on the ubuntu computer, but when I move the drive (which I just formatted) to OSx
[01:38] <escott> thomrenault, so thats a fuseblk meaning its probably an NTFS folder. the person logged into the system should have read/write access
[01:38] <[snake]> midnightcoffee, which terminal is it? what desktop environment are you in. "be more specific please"
[01:38] <escott> thomrenault, but if two people are logged in then the second might not get access
[01:38] <Linkandzelda> and i only got a kernel out of memory error when compiz crashed and I lost window borders and did alt + super + f1 to open a terminal, thats where it said kernel out of memory
[01:38] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: i can't what kernel that was being used, i would assume the current one that was used to generate the 'cat'
[01:38] <escott> Linkandzelda, all that yellow is good and nothing to worry about. think of yellow as being just as good as free ram
[01:38] <ActionParsnip> midnightcoffee: cccsm can do that stuff as far as I know (assuming you use compiz)
[01:39] <escott> Linkandzelda, is it saying kernel out of memory or is the kernel saying that it is in an out-of-memory condition and triggering the OOM killer (subtle difference)
[01:39] <almoxarife> paulschreiber: i guess what is more important is why do you need kernel 3.5?
[01:40] <Linkandzelda> escott: no idea, i didnt take full note of the messages as i just rebooted
[01:40] <Linkandzelda> note that I did have virtual box running as well, maybe that was a problem
[01:40] <Linkandzelda> it seems to like 160% of my cpu
[01:41] <thomrenault> escott there is only one user logged in on the ubuntu, and one logged in on the mac?  The issue is that I don't have permission to write on the drive when I move it over to the mac.  I just formatted it on Ubuntu, and OSx disk utility isn't letting me 'repair permissions' (according to one log I was reading a moment ago, OSx only repairs permissions for the OS mounted drive)
[01:41] <escott> Linkandzelda, when a userspace application uses up all the ram and the swap (because it is leaking memory) the kernel notices this and runs something called the OOM killer which tries to identify the leaky application and kill it. this should not trigger a need to reboot unless it picks badly (and kills something you need like compiz)
[01:41] <escott> Linkandzelda, if the kernel were to run out of memory that would be a different and bigger problem (its probably the first which means that compiz is leaking memory)
[01:42] <escott> thomrenault, how is the disk formated?
[01:42] <thomrenault> ntfs
[01:42] <thomrenault> escott ntfs
[01:42] <escott> thomrenault, then thats an OSX issue. NTFS doesn't do POSIX permissions
[01:42] <Linkandzelda> escott: I see, well I can either wait for it to happen (or not) again, or try and find out what it is further lol
[01:43] <escott> thomrenault, although formatting on ubuntu and making it an NTFS disk is an odd choice
[01:43] <hetRidler> how do i burn an audio cd with ubuntu
[01:43] <thomrenault> escott I'm trying to get the hdd (my media disk) to work with my logitech revue, which wasn't taking exfat
[01:44] <escott> Linkandzelda, if compiz is leaking ram and gets itself killed you can CTRL-ALT-F1 then login, then "export DISPLAY=:0; compiz --replace &"
[01:44] <almoxarife> i am not normally awed by utils but i am with 'redshift' , who would of thought someone came up with it, its great on a lappy
[01:44] <Linkandzelda> escott: sounds like a plan, and how do I get out of that alt+ctrl+f1 state?
[01:44] <escott> Linkandzelda, ctrl-alt-f7
[01:44] <Sean21_> ok
[01:45] <Linkandzelda> escott: awesome, then i'll wait for it to happen again and do that
[01:45] <Linkandzelda> escott: another thing, do you know much about networks?
[01:45] <escott> Linkandzelda, depends on how much much is
[01:46] <Linkandzelda> escott: this much http://uppix.net/8/f/5/80e7d396f16f297d50a20e0701319.png my network seems to not be able to keep a solid downspeed
[01:46] <thomrenault> escott does ext2 have a file limit size?
[01:46] <escott> Linkandzelda, bufferbloat?
[01:46] <hetRidler> how do i burn an audio cd with ubuntu
[01:47] <hetRidler> how does ubuntu burn audio cds
[01:47] <hetRidler> shouldh i olok it up
[01:47] <meant0m> almoxarife, i agree redshift is awesome
[01:47] <Linkandzelda> escott: no idea lol, i just noticed slow torrent/download speeds and checked the usage and spotted it up and down
[01:47] <escott> thomrenault, yes but exactly what it is depends on how exactly the partition is formatted (it can be optimized for larger files or smaller files which will affect maximum file size) in either case it shouldn't matter unless you are dealing with very large files
[01:48] <escott> Linkandzelda, the answer is an overly large TCP buffer somewhere
[01:48] <Linkandzelda> escott: hmm, and how can I solve such a thing?
[01:48] <thomrenault> escott, I was hitting the upper limit of fat16, with Bluray rips, I'm trying to move three files about 7 gb each onto the drive.
[01:48] <[snake]> hetRidler, use brasero perhaps
[01:49] <escott> Linkandzelda, could be your computer, your router, your cable modem, your ISPs routers, someone even further upstream of you
[01:49] <escott> thomrenault, 7GB should be fine
[01:49] <escott> Linkandzelda, http://www.bufferbloat.net/
[01:49] <Linkandzelda> escott: and what if it only happens while im on ubuntu?
[01:50] <escott> Linkandzelda, there are multiple buffers in the ubuntu network stack. you can disable some of those with ifconfig i think. so check the bufferbloat.net for tutorials on how
[01:50] <Linkandzelda> escott: thanks, i'll look into that then
[01:50] <escott> Linkandzelda, ifconfig wlan0 txqueuelen 0
[01:51] <escott> Linkandzelda, see other stuff in http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Experiment-Fun_with_wireless
[01:52] <Linkandzelda> escott: cool
[02:01] <chroot__> hi, is anyone who can use sox
[02:03] <ActionParsnip> chroot__: put em on your feet ?
[02:03] <chroot__> en
[02:03] <OerHeks> sox = sound exchange, a conderter, ActionParsnip
[02:04] <OerHeks> *converter
[02:04] <Linkandzelda> escott: its already happened, ram is fully cache once more lol. now for the inevitable crash
[02:04] <chroot__> ActionParsnip: i want to use sox, recording when i say the words
[02:04] <escott> Linkandzelda, what does free -m say?
[02:04] <chroot__> ActionParsnip: and if i don't say, it is loops
[02:04] <chroot__> how
[02:05] <escott> Linkandzelda, and how much memory is the most memory intensive application using in "top"
[02:06] <Linkandzelda> escott: this is the output of free -m http://uppix.net/3/c/b/fafe904e323a9af4b344bcd02a839.png
[02:06] <Linkandzelda> escott: and this is top http://uppix.net/1/4/4/3cb96cb98753685da30c59f4dc068.png
[02:07] <escott> Linkandzelda, "M" will sort top by memory usage
[02:07] <Linkandzelda> escott: its still virtual box using the most, followed by dropbox with 0.8
[02:08] <Linkandzelda> then Xorg, rhythombox, chromium
[02:08] <escott> Linkandzelda, sounds fine. the kernel is just caching files that applications previously requested by no longer need
[02:08] <escott> Linkandzelda, so you play an mp3 and it reads it, and keeps the file in memory in case you play it again
[02:09] <Linkandzelda> escott: i see, hopefully it wont crash again
[02:09] <black_son> hi all ya
[02:10] <escott> Linkandzelda, if an application were leaking memory then it would show up as 90% of ram in top and free would have close to zero on the cached line because the kernel thinks the leaky application needs the memory it requested because the app forgot to tell the kernel it no longer needs that memory
[02:11] <Linkandzelda> escott: garbage collecting automatic, or attempted automatic. i can see how it would casue trouble if it picked the wrong app
[02:12] <escott> Linkandzelda, eventually the kernel will give away all the memory on the system so some request will have to fail at which point the kernel triggers the OOM killer to decide which application is the most likely culprit
[02:13] <qmanjr5> Has anyone got Facebook's video chat to work on Ubuntu?
[02:13] <escott> Linkandzelda, so you could think of the OOM killer as the garbage collector for poorly written applications
[02:13] <Cancy> are there some chinese?
[02:13] <Linkandzelda> escott: sweet, then i'll keep that in mind when im coding for linux, if that ever happens lol
[02:13] <escott> Cancy, billions of them :)
[02:13] <escott> !cn | Cancy
[02:14] <escott> Linkandzelda, its rather unpleasant. you can trigger it pretty easily to see how it operates. write a C program that in a continuous look mallocs a small amount of ram
[02:15] <Linkandzelda> escott: I did that on a windows machine before, and it locked up lol
[02:16] <rangergord> Hi. I would like an alternative to the terminal, which lets me search the buffer. I'm SSHing to a system and running a continuous task. I would like to be able to search for certain strings and locate them in the scrollback. I know you can pipe terminal output to files but that's way too much effort for the functionality I want :)
[02:16] <escott> Linkandzelda, #include "stdlib.h" int main(){ while(1){ malloc(sizeof(char)*32); }}   The system will go unresponsive for a few seconds then the OOM kicks in and kills your app
[02:16] <escott> rangergord, maybe screen?
[02:16] <Linkandzelda> escott: hehe, then I'll give it a go when I get an IDE up and running on here
[02:16] <jrib> rangergord: use screen or tmux.  Also, a lot of terminals will let you search
[02:16] <ActionParsnip> rangergord: pipe it to less
[02:16] <confab> does anyone have a foolproof link to getting flash to work on 12.10 with chromium, or firefox for that matter?  I've tried and failed miserably
[02:17] <escott> Linkandzelda, IDE you don't need no stinking ide. put that in a text file and gcc filename.c; ./a.out
[02:17] <Cancy> I want learn English,but the topic you talked is so profession＠_＠
[02:17] <ActionParsnip> confab: what arch are you using?
[02:17] <Steelcased_Judo> Hello folks I messed up my HDD partitions and MBRs completely while installing Ubuntu. I am now trying to install Windows on a hard drive without an OS from a USB stick with Ubuntu Live on it. The issue is that when I try to boot into the windows install the current MBR does not recognize the Windows install as a viable kernel. I've been told that I need to reinstall GRUB from the live...
[02:17] <qmanjr5> Has anyone got Facebook's video chat to work on Ubuntu?
[02:17] <Steelcased_Judo> ...Ubuntu. What does that mean?
[02:17] <Steelcased_Judo> And can anyone help me do it?
[02:17] <rangergord> jrib: can you name one of those "a lot" terminals?
[02:17] <jrib> rangergord: rxvt-unicode is one
[02:17] <confab> ActionParsnip, i386
[02:17] <rangergord> I'd rather a GUI menu based solution, if not I'll fall back to screen as suggested (googlign shows it lets you do it)
[02:17] <confab> or 686
[02:17] <rangergord> thanks
[02:17] <confab> whatever the 32-bit one is
[02:18] <Linkandzelda> escott: I'm an IDE person, used to using things like Xcode, do you agree that IDE's speed up development? is that just me o-o
[02:18] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, when you install windows it should install the windows bootloader. so if windows i booting then you can install ubuntu
[02:18] <Sean21_> "The easiest way to use Boot-Repair is to burn one of the following disks and boot on it. " , when they say that, do they mean insert the cd and restart the computer and boom from it?
[02:18] <ActionParsnip> confab: if you remove all flash packages, enable the partner repo and install adobe-flashplugin it should be ok
[02:18] <escott> Linkandzelda, just saying this is a 2-liner. use what you like
[02:18] <Linkandzelda> escott: fair lol
[02:18] <confab> ActionParsnip, cool, let me try that thanks
[02:18] <Steelcased_Judo> escott - I can't install Windows. That is the thing.
[02:19] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, so what happens when you try to boot the windows install cd?
[02:19] <Linkandzelda> escott: I'll wait for a file process to finish first, just in case
[02:19] <escott> Sean21_, yes
[02:19] <Steelcased_Judo> escott - I get a command line screen that says that the SysLinux Insane MBR Partition does not recognize the kernel.
[02:19] <jrib> rangergord: gnome-terminal seems to let you search too...
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> confab: or if all else fails, grab the archive from adobe.com and put libflashplugin.so in /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> confab: or remove all flash packages and install chrome :)
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> confab: remember to use --purge when you remove
[02:20] <escott> Linkandzelda, its certainly not pleasant there is about 20 seconds of "what just happened" as the system goes unresponsive and everything gets kicked out of swap... and there is the risk that the OOM killer could go stupid and nuke an important process
[02:21] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, is your bios configured to boot the cd first?
[02:21] <Steelcased_Judo> Yes.
[02:21] <DasEi> Sean21_: I'm mostly using a usb-thumb for it to save a disc
[02:21] <zivester> anyone with (x)ubuntu 12.10 and having intermittent startup issues where X doesnt load?.. sometimes with a plymouth error
[02:21] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, sounds like your windows install cd is no good
[02:21] <Steelcased_Judo> And now Ubuntu Live won't let me connect to the wireless network anymore.
[02:21] <Steelcased_Judo> Arghhhhhh.
[02:22] <escott> Steelcased_Judo, the windows install cd if it is booting first should prevent the on hard disk mbr from running
[02:22] <Linkandzelda> escott: then maybe it's best to save this one for later
[02:22] <Steelcased_Judo> escott - Ah, that makes sense.
[02:22] <qmanjr5> Has anyone gotten Facebook's video chat to work on Ubuntu?
[02:22] <Steelcased_Judo> escott - I did torrent it. It is Windows Starter.
[02:23] <Steelcased_Judo> Thank you.
[02:23] <lxckdxy> Z̴̢̛̤̹̲͚̺̟̳͔̲̻̪̗̫̱͇̾̅ͩͫ̒̄͊͊̈͞A̦͔͙͖̻̯̮͉̤̜̣͍͈̝̎̾͌ͤ̋̈́̂̅̍̿̚̚͝͞͝L̽̆͑ͤ͒̓́̊͗ͯ̕͢͢҉̝̖̞̖̙̱͖̻G̷͎̖͎̣̗̙̱̣͚̻̠̦ͥͣ̈ͦ̐̐̓̾̌̃͘͢Ŏ̴̉ͨ̉̍ͦͨ̂ͬ͒ͫ̓̚̕҉͙̟̹̬̤̣̖̖̩̲̤ͅ!̵̧̛͈͍̪̖̳̫̲͎̙̟̺̤̦̅͆ͮ̔̔ͦ̐ͤ̓ͧ̀͑ͥ̑̈́͊̿͡
[02:24] <confab> ActionParsnip, puttig the libflashplugin.so into /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins didn't work, chrome is installed and it doesnt work for flash
[02:24] <ydhvz> Z̴̢̛̤̹̲͚̺̟̳͔̲̻̪̗̫̱͇̾̅ͩͫ̒̄͊͊̈͞A̦͔͙͖̻̯̮͉̤̜̣͍͈̝̎̾͌ͤ̋̈́̂̅̍̿̚̚͝͞͝L̽̆͑ͤ͒̓́̊͗ͯ̕͢͢҉̝̖̞̖̙̱͖̻G̷͎̖͎̣̗̙̱̣͚̻̠̦ͥͣ̈ͦ̐̐̓̾̌̃͘͢Ŏ̴̉ͨ̉̍ͦͨ̂ͬ͒ͫ̓̚̕҉͙̟̹̬̤̣̖̖̩̲̤ͅ!̵̧̛͈͍̪̖̳̫̲͎̙̟̺̤̦̅͆ͮ̔̔ͦ̐ͤ̓ͧ̀͑ͥ̑̈́͊̿͡
[02:24] <ibfvxwj> Z̴̢̛̤̹̲͚̺̟̳͔̲̻̪̗̫̱͇̾̅ͩͫ̒̄͊͊̈͞A̦͔͙͖̻̯̮͉̤̜̣͍͈̝̎̾͌ͤ̋̈́̂̅̍̿̚̚͝͞͝L̽̆͑ͤ͒̓́̊͗ͯ̕͢͢҉̝̖̞̖̙̱͖̻G̷͎̖͎̣̗̙̱̣͚̻̠̦ͥͣ̈ͦ̐̐̓̾̌̃͘͢iŎ̴̉ͨ̉̍ͦͨ̂ͬ͒ͫ̓̚̕҉͙̟̹̬̤̣̖̖̩̲̤ͅ!̵̧̛͈͍̪̖̳̫̲͎̙̟̺̤̦̅͆ͮ̔̔ͦ̐ͤ̓ͧ̀͑ͥ̑̈́͊̿͡
[02:24] <hoehtuo> Z̴̢̛̤̹̲͚̺̟̳͔̲̻̪̗̫̱͇̾̅ͩͫ̒̄͊͊̈͞A̦͔͙͖̻̯̮͉̤̜̣͍͈̝̎̾͌ͤ̋̈́̂̅̍̿̚̚͝͞͝L̽̆͑ͤ͒̓́̊͗ͯ̕͢͢҉̝̖̞̖̙̱͖̻iG̷͎̖͎̣̗̙̱̣͚̻̠̦ͥͣ̈ͦ̐̐̓̾̌̃͘͢iŎ̴̉ͨ̉̍ͦͨ̂ͬ͒ͫ̓̚̕҉͙̟̹̬̤̣̖̖̩̲̤ͅ!̵̧̛͈͍̪̖̳̫̲͎̙̟̺̤̦̅͆ͮ̔̔ͦ̐ͤ̓ͧ̀͑ͥ̑̈́͊̿͡
[02:25] <ActionParsnip> confab: chrome has it's own flash  so doesn't need any flash packages
[02:26] <confab> ActionParsnip, right, it still doesnt display flash for me
[02:26] <Linkandzelda> just imported the last 3 years worth of photos into Shotwell, very reminiscing to see them all previewed as imported
[02:26] <PRabyte> hello, quick questions/discussions about deb package creation. would someone like to enlightening me a little bit. some good links, maybe get me going in right direction? i have folders with programs from A. tar, or B. rpm source code, already install, no tars or rpms around to reference, they are manufacture/vendor installed, i need to package them up, maybe with dpkg -b, and such, any suggestions would be great. thanks :)
[02:27] <yeats> !packaging | PRabyte
[02:28] <PRabyte> yeats:  thanks
[02:29] <meant0m> qmanjr5, I havent tried it
[02:32] <PRabyte> got a lot of read to do, thanks, l8
[02:35] <confab> ActionParsnip, i dunno, i tried purging, enabling partner, and installing adobe-flashplayer, it's still borked.  I think i'm going to just give up.  Thanks for trying to help though
[02:35] <Linkandzelda> escott: ive always wondered this but, whenever the ram is cached performance is really slow. maybe my hdd is dead
[02:38] <cloudrf> anyone home today
[02:38] <escott> Linkandzelda, not sure what that means "when RAM is cached" you mean when the kernel starts using your swap partition? yes hard disks are slower than RAM so using swap is slower. as memory pressure grows the kernel first discards pages that have been written to disk but are kept in RAM (ie you just wrote this file and it has hit the disk but the kernel keeps a copy in RAM as well), then it starts pushing stuff to disk that isn't backed
[02:38] <escott>  by disk (ie process memory) that hasn't been used in a while. When it does that second step things slow down, especially if you try to alt-tab to the process which just got pushed out to swap
[02:38] <home> cloudrf, me
[02:38] <cloudrf> lol
[02:38] <cloudrf> nice one
[02:38] <home> np
[02:38] <mathfreak> Hello everyone. What is the difference between a Window theme, Icon theme, and GTK+ theme?
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> confab: if you can pastebin the output of: lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep 'flash|gnash|swf|spark'
[02:39] <mathfreak> The biggest stump to me is the GTK+ theme.
[02:39] <Linkandzelda> escott: yea, hmm, is there a way to stop it caching it all?
[02:39] <cloudrf> anyone willing to join in on a cross rpm/deb project?
[02:39] <escott> Linkandzelda, its called a "swap storm" because every time you alt-tab the kernel has to play catchup putting the program you were just using into swap and taking the one you want to be using and putting it back into RAM, and by the time that is done it is ready to process the next alt-tab (because you pressed alt-tab 15 times in a row because it wasn't working)
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> cloudrf: that would get messy
[02:40] <escott> Linkandzelda, you can disable swap in which case you go directly to OOM you do not pass GO and you do not collect $200
[02:40] <Linkandzelda> escott: haha. indeed
[02:40] <Linkandzelda> escott: i like $200 :/
[02:41] <cloudrf> me likes money
[02:41] <escott> Linkandzelda, i prefer the swap-storm because it gives me a little bit of time to jump over to an ssh terminal and figure out what application is leaking memory and kill it myself, but if you trust the OOM killer then that may just be prefereable to you
[02:42] <cloudrf> anyone willing to help tho
[02:42] <cloudrf> even if it is messy i wanna win the fight with microsoft
[02:43] <Linkandzelda> escott: then can I browse this ram or find out whats actually been cached? i remember it cached full almost instantly, i would of expected it to be a gradual thing
[02:44] <escott> Linkandzelda, no because its not object level. its page level
[02:44] <Linkandzelda> flip
[02:45] <brady> hey guys.  i have a ubuntu system that randomly crashes , and sometimes refuses to reboot when it does.  i check the bios and its like the drive has dissappeared.  after a bunch of resets, complete power downs, it randomly shows back up again.
[02:45] <escott> Linkandzelda, a program can allocate a lot of ram pretty quickly, or it could be miscalculating the unit size and allocating something enormous, or it could be that you dont notice because allocations (and responsiveness) is fast until it is full
[02:45] <confab> ActionParsnip, http://codepad.org/lA3e5VP2
[02:46] <escott> brady, bad drive or bad motherboard
[02:46] <brady> brand new drive, brand new motherboard
[02:46] <escott> brady, well that makes the following more likely "bad drive or bad motherboard"
[02:46] <Linkandzelda> escott: hmm, could of not noticed it, though i kept an eye on the bar to see it grow, and it wasnt caching anything. 10-20 mins after it was full lol
[02:46] <JimmyNeutron> disconnect the HDD and boot off a USB drive and see if it's stable
[02:47] <JimmyNeutron> if it's unstable, try running memtest
[02:47] <Linkandzelda> im still wondering what app did that, probably virtual box
[02:47] <brady> i am on the live cd right now
[02:47] <cloudrf> anybody using rpm on an ubuntu system?
[02:47] <escott> Linkandzelda, so vbox does add another layer of complexity because an app inside vbox could be eating a lot of ram
[02:47] <escott> !rpm | cloudrf
[02:47] <brady> i ran fsck and it says the drive is clean, it did the check very quickly
[02:48] <brady> how can i do a memory test
[02:48] <cloudrf> i understand that
[02:48] <XRS1> reboot from the live disk and select memtest86+
[02:48] <DasEi> brady: can also be a defective/loose cable, look up syslog on the internal system, enable ahci (I assume sata drive)
[02:48] <escott> brady, means it just replayed the journal. check the SMART status in the disk utility. memtest86 is a boot option
[02:48] <Linkandzelda> escott: if its causing the problem then I can close it and it should return to normal
[02:48] <JimmyNeutron> Ubuntu 12.04 comes with memtest86
[02:48] <sid|1> hi
[02:48] <sid|1> im trying to watch a football game from nbc.com
[02:49] <sid|1> using moonlight
[02:49] <JimmyNeutron> or go to memtest site directly and download the iso and burn it to a cd
[02:49] <escott> Linkandzelda, you can also enable process limits and limit a process to a few gigs. you will cause your web browser to crash ever once in a while but most processes shouldnt notice
[02:49] <sid|1> http://snfallaccess.nbcsports.com/*
[02:49] <sid|1> http://snfallaccess.nbcsports.com/     **
[02:49] <escott> Linkandzelda, but the best thing to do is let it OOM, and then look at dmesg to figure out who got killed
[02:49] <XRS1> 404
[02:49] <escott> sid|1, probably not going to work
[02:49] <sid|1> any way to make it work?
[02:50] <Linkandzelda> escott: interestingly enough closing vbox just lowered actual green used ram to almost nothing
[02:50] <brady> how do it get to the disk utility?  i dont see it in the hud
[02:50] <xangua> sid|1: not a chance :)
[02:50] <escott> sid|1, not really. moonlight supports all the encryption and codecs but MSFT doesn't license them to moonlight
[02:50] <sid|1> awh
[02:50] <Linkandzelda> which is normal, but, its now a fully cached ram even after vbox is closed so maybe its something else lol
[02:50] <xyzone> brady, type disk utility
[02:51] <escott> Linkandzelda, again yellow doesn't matter. yellow might as well be green
[02:51] <brady> i typed disk utility in the hud, nothing
[02:51] <escott> Linkandzelda, it probably had to pull some pages off the swap disk for VBox to shut itself down and then once everything was written to disk just keeps copies around in case you need to restart VBox
[02:51] <cloudrf> escott, what are you in relation to the ubuntu project?
[02:51] <escott> cloudrf, a user
[02:52] <XRS1> blah. forgot to install moonlight
[02:52] <cloudrf> wanna join out project?
[02:52] <cloudrf> our
[02:52] <bazhang> cloudrf, did you have actual ubuntu support question?
[02:52] <cloudrf> no i didnt
[02:52] <bazhang> !ot | cloudrf
[02:53] <bazhang> cloudrf, wrong place then
[02:53] <Sean21_> Quick questions guys, I want to download adobe flash, it says which version, YUM,.tar.gz,.rpm or APT for ubuntu 10.04
[02:53] <cloudrf> sorry bout that
[02:53] <XRS1> apt
[02:53] <xangua> Sean21_: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[02:54] <xangua> or, if you preffer the partner repo, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-adobe
[02:54] <Linkandzelda> escott: i'll just let it do its thing then lol
[02:54] <mathfreak> I'll try asking again: What exactly is GTK+?
[02:54] <XRS1> you could also open a console and type sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[02:54] <brady> by disk utility do you mean gparted?  when i type disk utility.. i dont find anything matching that description
[02:55] <escott> brady, no its gnome-disks
[02:55] <cloudrf> sorry guys but ur off topic channel is deader than a doornail
[02:55] <xangua> !gtk | mathfreak
[02:55] <escott> brady, its just called "disks" in 12.10, but gnome-disks is the binary
[02:55] <escott> brady, if you cant find that install smartmontools and use the command line smartctl
[02:56] <Linkandzelda> escott: cario dock just crashed lol
[02:57] <Linkandzelda> escott: and there goes my window borders once more...
[02:57] <tada> hello everyone
[02:57] <steiner> .net
[02:57] <mathfreak> xangua: Thanks!
[02:57] <brandinhess> Ok, I have a question for you all. I am looking for a piece of software that will allow me to speak through a microphone and convert my voice into text. Does anyone know of such a piece of software that is available in Linux?
[02:58] <Sean21_> That didnt work xangua
[02:58] <tada> I have a big issue with my ubuntu server, I am getting these error messages after I restarted it
[02:58] <xyzone> brandinhess, google docs
[02:58] <escott> brandinhess, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition_in_Linux
[02:59] <tada> before I paste a wall of text, here a link from a guy which had the similar problem
[02:59] <tada> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1610269
[02:59] <Linkandzelda> escott: now that im here in this situation, with only a couple of pixels to see this irc chat, what should i do to find out what hapepned?
[02:59] <brandinhess> I need something that I can use while I am not online as well. Google docs doesn't cut it.
[02:59] <tada> any ideas what I could do?
[02:59] <escott> Linkandzelda, if cairo-dock crashed i would ctrl-alt-f1 and restart it
[02:59] <Sean21_> Console is what? xangua
[03:00] <Linkandzelda> escott: gnome-panel also went, and so did compiz, and i dont know the commands to start them >_>
[03:00] <rodayo> I made an ext4 partition on my hardrive to back up my home folder before i install QQ, is there a reason i'm unable to copy files to it through the file explorer? the paste option is disabled...
[03:00] <home> nice
[03:00] <escott> Linkandzelda, is the window manager running?
[03:01] <XRS1> sid|1, I'm watching the game on that link right now. just installed moonlight and it worked without issue
[03:01] <sid|1> hrm
[03:01] <sid|1> what browser?
[03:01] <Linkandzelda> escott: i opened it, but it failed to open with an error
[03:01] <Linkandzelda> escott: the window manager is running, without window borders lol
[03:01] <XRS1> firefox
[03:01] <escott> Linkandzelda, so compiz crashed
[03:01] <sid|1> im on chrome that might be the prob
[03:01] <XRS1> oops it crashed
[03:02] <tada> Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init.
[03:02] <tada> No init found. Try passing init=bootarg
[03:02] <escott> Linkandzelda, you need to export DISPLAY=:0; compiz --replace
[03:02] <tada> that's what I get
[03:02] <XRS1> n/m doesnt seem to work
[03:02] <escott> rodayo, you need to sudo chown to give yourself ownership of the mountpoint
[03:02] <root> hi
[03:03] <DasEi> xangua: used to be flashplugin-free in partner's repo; can now neither find that or flashplugin-adobe (currently on another distro then quantal ,  so can't look myself)
[03:03] <DasEi> xangua: used to be flashplugin-nonfree* in partner's repo; can now neither find that or flashplugin-adobe (currently on another distro then quantal ,  so can't look myself)
[03:03] <XRS1> not fully silverlight 4 compatable it seems
[03:03] <Linkandzelda> escott: did that and I got the top gnome panel back, but no window decorations yet
[03:03] <Linkandzelda> escott: aka no window borders
[03:04] <Linkandzelda> escott: and compiz just crashed again... >_>
[03:04] <XRS1> make sure you have all software sources enabled and its adobe-flashplugin
[03:04] <escott> Linkandzelda, interesting. you could try metacity --replace and use the 2D window manager
[03:04] <DasEi> !info adobe-flashplugin
[03:04] <Sean21_> Anyone have problems installing chrome?
[03:05] <Linkandzelda> escott: that gave me window borders again!
[03:05] <brandinhess> escott: I have tried those programs that you sent me the link for, and none of them were helpful. Are there any more?
[03:05] <XRS1> weird. hmm guess its different for Ubuntu Studio 12.10
[03:05] <escott> Linkandzelda, what kind of graphics card do you have
[03:05] <tada> I really need help : (
[03:05] <escott> brandinhess, i didnt even read that page :)
[03:05] <brandinhess> Ah.
[03:06] <Linkandzelda> escott: right now I'm using a ati radeon 6xxx series card, the one with 256mb ram in a mac mini 2011. im not using the preprietory driver
[03:06] <DasEi> XRS1: you're right, adobe-flashplugin in partners..  Sean21_
[03:06] <sid|1> XRS1:  doesnt work for me=/
[03:06] <Sean21_> Anyone have trouble installing chrome?
[03:06] <willdabeast> anyone here very familiar with cairo-dock?
[03:06] <brandinhess> Can anyone else think of any speech recognition software similar to that in Windows?
[03:06] <escott> tada, boot the install cd and choose "try ubuntu"
[03:06] <XRS1> yeah moonlight wont work it doesnt have full silverlight 4 support
[03:06] <DasEi> XRS1: will be because of the partner repo, so ubott.. won't mention it
[03:07] <sid|1> hwod u watch the video?
[03:07] <sid|1> how'd*
[03:07] <rodayo> escott, works! thank you =)
[03:07] <tada> escott: I used knoppix
[03:07] <tada> is this ok too?
[03:07] <DasEi> Sean21_: the browser ?
[03:07] <Sean21_> Yes
[03:07] <XRS1> it played for a bit then i alt-tabbed back and it crashed. tried reloading and it gave me an error telling me moonlight isnt compatable
[03:07] <DasEi> Sean21_: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[03:08] <escott> tada, sure
[03:08] <tada> escott: I am in knoppix and I tried
[03:08] <tada> fsck /dev/sda1
[03:08] <Sean21_> How do you know/get these commands?
[03:08] <escott> tada, is that the / partition?
[03:08] <Linkandzelda> escott: now the cahed ram has halved itsel, leaving a ton free
[03:08] <tada> but I am getting now another error message: /dev/sda1 is in use. e2fck: Fortsetung nicht möglich, breche ab.
[03:08] <tada> I think so
[03:09] <tada> I'm not quite sure
[03:09] <tada> I'm using a software based raid system, which does confuse me a bit
[03:09] <escott> Linkandzelda, then one of those applications was probably leaking some ram. the kernel might have eventually said "no you have had enough" at which point most applications tend to throw a hissy fit and crash
[03:09] <tada> but I think it's sda1
[03:09] <brady> when i hold down shift on start up.. i can't seem to get to grub to do the memory test
[03:09] <escott> tada, what do you mean software raid. is this in the bios?
[03:10] <tada> no, it's an pci card
[03:10] <DasEi> Sean21_: apt-get install is common for installing, also can use a gui like softwarecenter or synaptics, else one only needs the package name , you are running quantal ?
[03:10] <tada> 2 harddisks are connect on a pci card
[03:10] <escott> tada, and how much did this pci card cost?
[03:10] <tada> not much, it was a cheap one
[03:10] <Linkandzelda> escott: getting closer to finding out which one it is, either compiz, cairo, or.. gnome-panel
[03:10] <DasEi> Sean21_: and please put nick when replying
[03:10] <escott> tada, then you are better off disabling the raid
[03:11] <tada> I can't follow, what does this have something to do with my current problem?
[03:11] <Sean21_> Whats the command to nick
[03:11] <MK`> /nick
[03:11] <tada>  /nick
[03:12] <Linkandzelda> escott: I'll log out now and log in again to fix things, then will wait again and see what happens
[03:12] <Sean21_> I mean when you want to talk to someone
[03:12] <escott> tada, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/04/03/fakeraid-sucks/
[03:12] <DasEi> !info mdadm | tada , but keep up with escot..
[03:12] <escott> tada, almost certainly IS your problem
[03:13] <DasEi> Sean21_  are you running quantal ?
[03:13] <escott> tada, fakeraid is such a waste of time money and common sense its just not worth trying to figure out if it really is the problem or how to fix it. just disable it, use mdadm and go on with life
[03:13] <ActionParsnip> escott: +1
[03:13] <DasEi> :)
[03:13] <tada> my mainboard does not provide sata connections
[03:13] <Sean21_> Im new this, all I know is I am running unbuntu 12.10
[03:14] <tada> escott: I have no other choice than using this fakeraid now
[03:14] <ActionParsnip> Sean21_: run:  lsb_release -a
[03:14] <DasEi> Sean21_: fine, second, link coming
[03:14] <escott> tada, then its going to be a long long night
[03:14] <tada> fuck
[03:14] <escott> tada, if you disable the raid functionality on the PCI card thats your best bet
[03:15] <DasEi> tada: softraid works on other than sata, too
[03:16] <DasEi> tada: mind language ;)
[03:16] <tuxmatt> hey all
[03:16] <escott> tada, in order to get a fake raid system you have to (a) get a bootable grub.... which might require your buying another disk just to boot (b) getting the proper kernel module into the initrd (c) properly configuring dmraid
[03:17] <DasEi> http://tinyurl.com/cdwf45s < is for xubuntu, but will provide all your needs for a bsic setup , Sean21_
[03:17] <DasEi> basic*
[03:17] <escott> tada, it sounds like you got past (a) so you might be over the worst. it might just be that you need to do (b) and (C)
[03:17] <triplyfrypie> Hi, I am trying to set up monad. It works, but the scripts in ~/.config/autostart aren't being run, and also .xinitrc / .xsession are not being run. Where am I supposed to put code that should run on log-in?
[03:17] <triplyfrypie> sorry, xmonad.
[03:19] <tada> oh god
[03:19] <escott> tada, so you run lspci and try to figure out the chipset of the raid controller, then identify what kernel module you need, then add that to /etc/modules, and finally update-initramfs. but if you can disable that fakeraid and use mdadm that would be so much better. you won't lose all your data the day your $5 RAID controller goes kaput
[03:19] <ActionParsnip> triplyfrypie: if you copy one of the .desktop files in ~/.config/autostart then edit the lines to run the command you want it will run when you log in
[03:19] <StormTwo> anyone here?
[03:20] <DasEi> escott: many fakeraids have an own setting to relase the drives
[03:20] <tada> is this really the only solution to my problem right now? To change my raid configurations?
[03:20] <escott> because the point of RAID was to have redundancy completely subverted by the 5cent capacitors on your raid controller
[03:20] <DasEi> StormTwo: pong, a 1586
[03:20] <StormTwo> is 512mb of ram is enough to run 12.10 ubuntu?
[03:20] <escott> tada, its the better functioning solution, the more robust solution, the better supported solution, but not the only solution
[03:20] <DasEi> StormTwo: will work, but bettewr use a lighter derivate like lubuntu, xubuntu
[03:20] <xangua> StormTwo: it's enought for xubuntu or lubuntu
[03:21] <escott> !fakeraid | tada
[03:21] <xangua> !requirements | StormTwo
[03:21] <tada> I just want that my system is running again
[03:21] <triplyfrypie> ActionParsnip: I tried that, I have one that does "echo foo > ~/bar" and it doesn't produce a file ~/bar
[03:21] <escott> triplyfrypie, ~ means $HOME means /home/username/
[03:22] <escott> tada, "again"?
[03:22] <triplyfrypie> escott: yes I know that
[03:22] <Linkandzelda> escott: thanks for your help today, it was very useful, now im gonna head off (and if my hunch is right nothing will have crashed when i woke up!)
[03:22] <DasEi> StormTwo: also depends on how you install / which daemons are running, what about graphics ? the only thing that can be is a rather slow response, if too overloaded
[03:22] <tada> escott: yes, it worked for months perfectly until today
[03:22] <DasEi> (lots of swap usage, then) , StormTwo
[03:22] <tada> maybe almost a year
[03:23] <escott> tada, ok well that changes things. i was under the impression this was a fresh install. have you recently updated the system? can you boot the old kernel?
[03:23] <tada> no I didnt updated it
[03:23] <triplyfrypie> anyway, the point is I'm pretty sure those files aren't being executed
[03:23] <tada> it just happened
[03:23] <DasEi> triplyfrypie: permission problem... either do as root or chown the dir to desied needs
[03:23] <ActionParsnip> triplyfrypie: you won't use echo (well you can to make the duplicated file if you want), then open it in a text editor to run what you want
[03:24] <escott> tada, well that sounds like a hardware failure of some variety. so you are back to booting kubuntu and looking at SMART status
[03:24] <StormTwo> I love you too
[03:24] <tada> DasEi: I had the same issue, that's why I restarted it, then I got this problem
[03:24] <tada> escott: what's a smart status?
[03:24] <DasEi> tada:second , haven't been following you
[03:25] <triplyfrypie> DasEi: what I really want to run are mod map things to get rid of caps lock
[03:25] <escott> tada, Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology --- tells you when hard disks are failing mechanically
[03:26] <tada> the weird thing is
[03:26] <DasEi> tada: could you repeat since when it won't start any more ?
[03:26] <tada> escott: I can mount my harddisk and still access my files
[03:26] <DasEi> !info smartmontools
[03:26] <escott> tada, so check the smart status (not sure what the knoppix tool will be) there will be SMART status for both disks /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. then you run fsck on /dev/dmraid something.
[03:27] <tada> DasEi: since a few ours ago
[03:27] <triplyfrypie> escott, DasEi what I really really want is for .xinitrc to run
[03:27] <DasEi> tada: did you do anything specail ?
[03:27] <tada> no
[03:27] <escott> tada, so you have to modprobe some dmraid module to get the raid array to show up as a raid array, so that you can fsck it properly. what you are seeing is half of your RAID mirror in each disk
[03:27] <wyclif> wondering why fstab is missing from my /etc in Jaunty?
[03:28] <escott> wyclif, thats not good
[03:28] <DasEi> wyclif: strange, yes..
[03:28] <wyclif> escott: yes, I'm beginning to realise that this is not good. But I can't install it: "Couldn't find package fstab"
[03:28] <DasEi> wyclif: cat /etc/fstab    reveals nothing ?
[03:29] <escott> !info /etc/fstab
[03:29] <StormTwo> Kiss my ass guys -_-p
[03:29] <escott> wyclif, its not in any package. its part of the base system
[03:29] <DasEi> it's a file.. (fstab)
[03:29] <DasEi> !fstab
[03:30] <StormTwo> sorry ive been hack with my friends here
[03:30] <StormTwo> c u later
[03:30] <DasEi> StormTwo: fine
[03:30] <wyclif> escott: yes, it lists /media/cdrom0
[03:30] <Sonic132> Can someone help me? I have to somehow install Ubuntu onto a laptop HDD from a desktop, and then transplant it back in the laptop in some sort of working order.
[03:31] <DasEi> escott: you do the fstab ?
[03:31] <Sonic132> Because the BIOS is locked.
[03:31] <escott> Sonic132, open up the case and hit the CMOS jumper
[03:31] <escott> DasEi, ?
[03:32] <Sonic132> escott: I've heard that that doesn't work on this particular Thinkpad.
[03:32] <escott> Sonic132, heard or tried?
[03:32] <DasEi> Sonic132: sure ... do a usb-bootmedium, for safety disconnect desktop's hdd, need an adaptor for 2,5 hdd/lappi, then boot from usb-thumb and install to hdd
[03:33] <wyclif> escott: here's the output from my cat /etc/fstab http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333896/
[03:33] <escott> wyclif, that looks fine. except for the /dev/fd0.... do you really have a floppy disk or is your kernel just confused?
[03:33] <Sonic132> DasEi: I can't change the boot order since the BIOS is locked. Wouldn't that require that?
[03:34] <wyclif> escott: hahaha yes, it's really a floppy that never gets used :)
[03:34] <escott> Sonic132, i would try the CMOS jumper. anything that doesn't respond to the CMOS jumper is probably configured to use something like a trusted-boot in which case you plane isn't going to work anyways
[03:35] <wyclif> escott: now, what I totally don't get is why when I use parted -l it just give me a 15-device entry of the one HDD in the system
[03:35] <DasEi> Sonic132: no, as it'll probably be the only bootable medium then, though I don't know what your bios is set to, mostly one can hard-reset bios by opening the case
[03:35] <escott> wyclif, thats your SATA controller being buggy
[03:35] <Sonic132> The bios is set to the HDD being the only boot device.
[03:36] <DasEi> Sonic132: so can go above described way
[03:36] <escott> Sonic132, before you pull the disk and make the system non-bootable plug in a disk borrowed from another ubuntu laptop and see if you can boot that disk
[03:37] <escott> Sonic132, but you pull the disk and install to it and then put it back you could end up having a brick
[03:37] <wyclif> escott: yet, when I try to mount /dev/scd0 I'm told "mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist" ???
[03:37] <escott> wyclif, usually sdc0 that might just be a typo in your fstab
[03:38] <escott> tada1, were you able to find the SMART data?
[03:38] <DasEi> Sonic132: to lower the risk, just do a basic/minimal install with all generic drivers (alternate or netinstall, expert-mode)
[03:38] <DasEi> Sonic132: and brick .. chances are small it won't work, but you won't break anything
[03:38] <wyclif> escott: hmmm. "mount: can't find /dev/sdc0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[03:39] <Sonic132> I've tried transplanting it at least twice myself and my brother has tried it once. All we get is 'Operating System not found'
[03:39] <tada1> escott: no not really, I dont even know where to start... right now I'm downloading ubuntu cd version again and try the same commands there
[03:39] <escott> wyclif, what you pasted said scd0 so if you typoed there you need to fix it in /etc/fstab
[03:39] <escott> tada1, ok... it being knoppix im not sure what to tell you. but there should be a smart status application... not sure what it would be
[03:39] <DasEi> Sonic132: sound like grub wasn't installed properly, how did you try ?
[03:39] <DasEi> sounds*
[03:40] <wyclif> escott: yes, according to fstab it is scd0
[03:40] <escott> Sonic132, make sure when you install to /dev/sdb that you put the bootloader on /dev/sdb it might try to put it on sda. but if this thing has TXT enabled...
[03:41] <escott> Sonic132, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Execution_Technology
[03:41] <Sonic132> DasEi: Oh wow. I think I just figured out why that didn't work. I installed to an sda partition and that HDD also has windows on it. Would grub refer to Windows and fail because of that?
[03:41] <escott> Sonic132, no
[03:41] <DasEi> Sonic132: no
[03:41] <wyclif> escott: any tips on editing my fstab?
[03:42] <escott> wyclif, change the /dev/scd0 to /dev/sdc0 .... not sure what tips you need?
[03:42] <escott> wyclif, gksudo gedit /etc/fstab ????
[03:42] <DasEi> wyclif: sudo apt-get install hwinfo pastebinit && sudo hwinfo | pastebinit     ,give resulting url here
[03:43] <Sonic132> escott: I'm sorry. But this article is written to grad students. What is it your trying to show me?
[03:43] <phunyguy_t430s> Is there a "recommended" way of installing Oracle Java in Ubuntu? I know there are several ppas for it, is there a "best" one?
[03:44] <Sonic132> There isn't a laptop version of ubuntu floating around somewhere is there?
[03:44] <escott> Sonic132, no
[03:44] <tada1> Sonic132: there was once but they fusioned it with the desktop version
[03:45] <Sonic132> tada1: Yeah. I saw a netbook version a few years back.
[03:46] <Sean21_> :DasEi:
[03:46] <DasEi> Sonic132: os not found is mostly grub not found
[03:47] <wyclif> escott: I'm willing to try it but why would fstab corrup the name of the device? I certainly didn't edit this file
[03:47] <wyclif> escott: *corrupt
[03:47] <Sean21_> DasEi I was looking at the installation tutorial he has on it, so would it basically just overwrite ubuntu 12.10?
[03:47] <DasEi> Sonic132: goole the manual for that exact model and find outm wheter to reset the bios manually/mechanically (removing battery..) is possible
[03:47] <DasEi> Sean21_: nope, that just gives the needed packagenames you asked for
[03:48] <DasEi> Sean21_: you install additional progs/features
[03:48] <escott> wyclif, given that your sata controller is crazy and telling the kernel you have thousands of disks.... i have no idea what might be appearing in the fstab. furthermore it could be something where /dev/sda is good for about 5 seconds until the controller decides it needs to be addressed as /dev/sdb and then changes again. i dont know
[03:48] <Sonic132> DasEi: All the pages I could dig up said no. But I'll try the manual as well.
[03:48] <escott> Sonic132, if this is a corporate laptop you need ot worry about intel TXT
[03:48] <DasEi> Sonic132: I gfu, model/brand ?
[03:49] <Sonic132> escott: I don't believe it is. It's an IBM Thinkpad R52. I don't remember the machine type. It's my brothers laptop.
[03:50] <DasEi> Sonic132: so removing batt shall be possible then :)
[03:50] <wyclif> escott: here's my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333896/
[03:50] <DasEi> wyclif: sudo apt-get install hwinfo pastebinit && sudo hwinfo | pastebinit     ,give resulting url here
[03:50] <Sonic132> DasEi: It's worth a try. What's the worst that could happen *nervous chuckle*?
[03:50] <wyclif> DasEi: that command failed.
[03:51] <escott> wyclif, this line "/dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0" doesn't make sense. it woudl normally be /dev/sdc so check if that file exists in /dev
[03:51] <tada1> escott: thanks a lot for your help by the way, I really appreciate it : ) I think the best would be to safe my files and reinstall ubuntu, and just pretend there is no hardware failure...
[03:51] <tada1> pretend/ignore
[03:51] <DasEi> Sonic132: have a black tea, let it sit for longer than 6 minutes before drinking ;), then use the screwdriver
[03:51] <wyclif> escott: will do
[03:51] <escott> tada1, well thats not going to fix the hardware failure. probably only going to aggravate it
[03:52] <triplyfrypie> escott, DasEi, ActionParsnip, anyone else who's been helping me: I'm a bit confused by how the login process works in Ubuntu. At the login screen, I have options for "XMonad" and "Ubuntu (Default)" (and a few others). Where are these specified? If I have "XMonad" selected, I am pretty sure it's not executing .xsession or anything in ~/.config/autostart/*.desktop. This is really problematic for me because I need to start xscreensave
[03:52] <triplyfrypie> and a few other things like dropbox and flux. Help?
[03:52] <Sonic132> DasEi: Thanks. You and escott both.
[03:52] <DasEi> wyclif: so sud hwinfo and find what your devices are called
[03:52] <wyclif> escott: yep, /dev/sdc exists.
[03:52] <tada1> yes, probably, on the other hand, we are not sure to 100% if this really is a hardware failure
[03:53] <Rallias> A process daemonized on me while I was in a chroot.  If not, how do I find the PID to murder it?
[03:54] <escott> triplyfrypie, join the club :). the Xmonad is coming from /etc/x11 but some of the other stuff like .xsession is ignored by some things and not others. you are probably better off modifying gnome-session-properties if you use gnome/ubunit
[03:54] <escott> triplyfrypie, gnome/unity
[03:54] <DasEi> triplyfrypie: you'll use a loginmanager, like gdm or other, that let's you make those choices at login-time
[03:54] <escott> Rallias, no it will keep running. you can kill it in or out of the chroot by its PID
[03:55] <triplyfrypie> escott: should I just switch to awesome/i3/some other tiling wm?
[03:55] <Rallias> How do I find it's PID?
[03:55] <escott> Rallias, ps aux or pstree
[03:55] <escott> Rallias, and look for something whose parent is init
[03:55] <triplyfrypie> DasEi: I believe it uses gdm but I'm not sure. The login manager thing looks the same as the stock ubuntu 12.10 one
[03:55] <DasEi> Rallias: top or htop, or ps
[03:55] <escott> triplyfrypie, then thats lightdm
[03:55] <triplyfrypie> ah ok
[03:56] <triplyfrypie> another question: any idea how to kill evolution-calendar-factory? It has a million processes with the lightdm user and I don't use evolution… I don't understand why some things are starting up and others aren't. Is there a folder of lightdm startup profiles or something?
[03:56] <escott> Rallias, chroot only roots the filesystem. the kernel and all the processes are visible inside or outside the chroot
[03:57] <tada1> escott: it worked again
[03:57] <tada1> after a few times of restarts
[03:57] <tada1> thanks god, I dont have the money for new hardware haha!
[03:57] <wyclif> DasEi: I see everything except my CDROM drive
[03:57] <escott> tada1, so you are booted into your ubuntu system now?
[03:57] <tada1> yes : )
[03:57] <escott> tada1, you can't fsck in that, but you can check the smart status with gnome-disks
[03:58] <researcher123> often a certain website does not open.It just takes infinite time.But a few still open with usual speed.What should I do?
[03:58] <DasEi> wyclif: so cd in the /dev directory and take a look what's listed there
[03:58] <escott> tada1, you might also want to write down the output of "lsmod | grep dm"
[03:58] <tada1> escott: it's the server edition of ubuntu, I fear I dont have any access to gnome related stuff
[03:58] <triplyfrypie> escott: it looks like /usr/share/xsessions/xmonad.desktop is being executed. The "Exec" line in that is "xmonad". Would it be safe to change it to "~/.xsession && xmonad"?
[03:58] <escott> tada1, then use smartctl
[03:59] <researcher123> I am unable to install Mozilla Add-ons
[03:59] <wyclif> DasEi: I did, I have /dev/sdc
[03:59] <DasEi> tada1: nope, all same repos
[03:59] <escott> triplyfrypie, no idea sorry
[03:59] <escott> triplyfrypie, never understood xsessions
[03:59] <OerHeks> researcher123, the solution for me was to disable IPv6
[03:59] <DasEi> wyclif: that's a harddrive
[03:59] <OerHeks> !ipv6
[03:59] <researcher123> OerHeks: Let me try too
[04:00] <wyclif> DasEi: there is no /dev/scd file
[04:00] <escott> wyclif, scd0?
[04:01] <DasEi> wyclif: sr0 ?
[04:01] <DasEi> wyclif: cdrom ?
[04:01] <escott> wyclif, a lot of what im telling you is based on what "looks weird" but we know your hardware is broken so its not surprising that things "look weird"
[04:01] <wyclif> escott: DasEi: no scd0 or sr0
[04:02] <tada1> escott: I installed smartctl, and tried sudo smartctl /dev/sda
[04:02] <wyclif> escott: DasEi: no cdrom in /dev either
[04:03] <tada1> it made something but I dont know what, I think it saved a log somewhere
[04:03] <escott> tada1, smartctl -a /dev/sda
[04:03] <escott> tada1, it should dump out some text which you probably want to paste to us at paste.ubuntu.com. then you have to do the same for sdb
[04:04] <DasEi> wyclif: hwinfo | grep cd*
[04:04] <DasEi> wyclif: hwinfo | grep dvd*
[04:05] <tada1> escott: http://pastebin.com/rrrA6PNg
[04:07] <researcher123> OerHeks: My router does not show IPv6
[04:08] <tada1> it says it passed, man, this is banana
[04:08] <wyclif> DasEi: escott: here's my hwinfo | grep cd* output http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333936/
[04:08] <escott> tada1, the UDMA CRC error count is a bit high but it doesn't look like it is mechanically failing. perhaps electrically but not mechanically
[04:09] <tada1> oh, I didnt notice that
[04:09] <escott> tada1, your load cycle count is really high so its clearly an older disk
[04:09] <tada1> what is udma crc?
[04:10] <escott> tada1, data transfer to/from the motherboard failing a checksum. ie some kind of electrical error between the controller and the system
[04:11] <escott> tada1, the dm_raid45 is related to your fakeraid, but it doesn't identify what the actual controller module is
[04:11] <tada1> honestly I'm impressed of your knowledge
[04:11] <pinguy> hello
[04:11] <wyclif> tada1: I second that
[04:12] <tada1> and man, errors in checksum, this sounds really bad. It sounds like it is risky to safe any files on those harddisks
[04:13] <escott> tada1, the UDMA thing could be as simple as a bad cable or as bad as a failing chipset on the motherboard, 400 isn't that high given that there are millions of UDMA transfers (probably billions with a disk this old) but monitor that and see if it is increasing, and check that your cables are well inserted next time you powerdown
[04:13] <XRS1> sometimes that can be caused by software problem / virus. sometimes it can happen when loading data from a bad optical disk or a failing optical disk drive
[04:13] <escott> tada1, well the checksum means it noticed the error.
[04:13] <escott> tada1, so something was transfered and it noticed that the transfer was corrupted and the motherboard told the disk to resend which the disk logged
[04:14] <samueljohn> hey, anyone had the issue with their keyboad dropping keys and getting stuck on repeat sometimes?
[04:14] <escott> tada1, anyways lets look at sdb
[04:14] <XRS1> yeah with a dirty keyboard
[04:14] <deper29> samueljohn: I have that issue on my raspberry pi
[04:14] <escott> tada1, and send the rest of your lsmod so i can figure out what the controller is
[04:14] <samueljohn> XRS1: any fix for it?
[04:14] <tada1> the rest of my lsmod? That's all buddy
[04:14] <XRS1> if its just dirty, clean it
[04:14] <samueljohn> XRS1: I've had it for a few years and haven't been able to find a fix
[04:15] <escott> tada1, i mean take off the | grep bit just run "lsmod"
[04:15] <XRS1> the keys should be removable
[04:15] <samueljohn> what do you mean 'removable'?
[04:16] <deper29> samueljohn: just pry the keys off of the keyboard
[04:16] <brady> for some reason when i hold down shift on startup, i can't get it to go to grub, and therefore cannot accomplish a memory test, any ideas?
[04:16] <XRS1> try cleaning the plug on the cord and the plug on the computer too. or just get a cheap keyboard.  also, you might want to check the keyboard settings in BIOS and in settings manager
[04:16] <escott> brady, usb keyboard?
[04:16] <tada1> escott: http://pastebin.com/yf8veLwg
[04:16] <brady> yes, usb
[04:16] <samueljohn> deper29: why would I want to pry the keys off of the keyboard?
[04:16] <brady> to clean under them samueljohn
[04:16] <samueljohn> it's not a hardware issue.
[04:17] <deper29> samueljohn: ...to clean it
[04:17] <XRS1> if its dirty, you cant really clean it if the keys are in the way
[04:17] <brady> yes, usb, escott
[04:17] <escott> brady, have a ps/2 handy?
[04:17] <jotterbot> Hey guys, what is the easiest way to relay email to gmail? ssmtp?
[04:17] <burtonium> samueljohn: just use youtube, and see how people are cleaning their keyboards ;) it would be much easier to learn ;)
[04:17] <brady> escott: no.
[04:17] <brady> just the one.
[04:17] <DasEi> wyclif: that rather looks like the whole hwinfo out; let me see ...
[04:18] <escott> brady, you probably need a ps/2 can you get into the bios with your usb keyboard?
[04:18] <samueljohn> burtonium: you think it's because my keys are dirty? It's no way possible a software issue?
[04:18] <brady> yes
[04:18] <guang> The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened
[04:18] <triplyfrypie> I've seen differing ways to turn CAPS LOCK into Escape. What's the best way using xmodmap?
[04:18] <XRS1> some one might have bubba'd your keystroke settings in BIOS or settings manager, otherwise its a hardware issue
[04:19] <escott> tada1, interesting note on sata_sil https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Sata_sil "Some reports of data corruption when paired with NVIDIA chipsets." and i note you have forcedeth loaded
[04:19] <wyclif> DasEi: sorry; surprised it's that verbose :(
[04:20] <burtonium> samueljohn: I am not saying that, i just noticed someone is trying to explain to you, how to clean keyboard so I suggested to watch the video on YT. It's the fastest way to do it.  It happened to me few times … but i am not an expert. Maybe someone can confirm this? or not?
[04:20] <guang> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[04:20] <guang> when i run "sudo apt-cache search win",it occurs
[04:20] <XRS1> yeah if the system is overloaded it can cause keystroke delays then you end up messing up what your typing
[04:21] <escott> brady, you might double check if you bios has any usb input options. sometimes bioses need to load the usb hid input stuff prior to handing over to grub
[04:21] <tada1> oh goodie, datacorruption
[04:21] <samueljohn> burtonium: Gotcha. I didn't even consider it to be a hardware issue. That's why I wasn't understanding.
[04:21] <XRS1> i fixed that issue today let me look it up
[04:21] <escott> tada1, but ill guess sata_sil is your sata controller module. in any case what about smartctl -a /dev/sdb
[04:21] <XRS1> guang, try this: sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
[04:21] <XRS1> then sudo apt-get update
[04:22] <tada1> good question
[04:22] <guang> XRS1:let me try it
[04:22] <escott> tada1, is it just the two disks? a and b?
[04:22] <tada1> yes
[04:23] <tada1> intersting, udma, crc at zero
[04:23] <escott> tada1, thats good suggests a bad cable
[04:23] <escott> tada1, anything else standing out?
[04:23] <escott> tada1, is the load cycle count also around 800j
[04:23] <escott> 800k
[04:24] <DasEi> wyclif: nonetheless I can neither find a cdrom, dvd or optical in there, so it seems your cdrom isn't dtected at all, you might try gnome-devicemanager and look again, if it shows up there, else you have a hardware/-cable/-driver problem, so kernel won't see drive
[04:24] <tada1> escott: http://pastebin.com/aJfG9gmU
[04:24] <escott> DasEi, his sata controller is borked. more than likely the kernel gave up before enumerating the cd drive
There are just subdirectory   "archives"  in the dir "apt",
[04:25] <XRS1> if it is IDE, make sure you have the drives jumpered where they should be. I've seen lots of weird stuff happen when using Cable Select
[04:25] <escott> tada1, you have a reallocated sector
[04:25] <XRS1> did you run the command?
[04:25] <XRS1> i just fixed that same problem today with that command
[04:25] <escott> tada1, so thats an indicator of a mechanical failure at some point. it could be recent it could be old
[04:25] <DasEi> escott: ic...
[04:25] <tada1> shitt
[04:26] <DasEi> wyclif: gnome-device-manger is the right one;  pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[04:26] <cHaNge> hi =)
[04:26] <tada1> what does that mean? Reallocated means a sector which were apprently moved but not corrputed I guess
[04:26] <tada1> how could this happen
[04:27] <XRS1> reallocated means it got marked as a bad sector
[04:27] <escott> tada1, but it sounds like you were maybe configured as mirrored. so i would (a) check if the cable on disk a is well inserted/replace it (b) monitor the UDMA and reallocated sectors closely to see if they go up. check into lspci and see if you are using that combination of sata_sil and nforce that was mentioned as a possible problem
[04:27] <DasEi> tada1: there are spare sectors on a hd, that can replace ones which got borked by time
[04:28] <escott> tada1, means it tried to write to a location on the disk... failed in some way (that part was scratched basically) and decided to put the data somewhere else
[04:28] <DasEi> :)
[04:28] <tada1> alright, thanks for the explanation dudes
[04:29] <DasEi> wyclif: url from pastebinit ?
[04:29] <escott> tada1, your boot failures are most likely related to the loose cable though. i dont see any evidence of mechanical failure there
[04:29] <tada1> I accosiated it with something else apparently, so the next step is to said in short terms: Check cable, monitor sometimes
[04:30] <DasEi> escott: tada1: haven't followed your proceeding with smartmontools, but that would show up there (bad sectors)
[04:30] <wyclif> DasEi: it returns "IndexError: list index out of range"
[04:30] <escott> tada1, you do have to be careful with anything like a reallocated sector
[04:31] <escott> it could be that a whole bunch of sectors on the disk are bad but if you dont attempt to write to them or read from them you might never find out. they just sit there like time bombs until the day you try to get your data and *pooof*
[04:31] <tada1> shit shit shit
[04:32] <escott> tada1, so depending on your level of paranoia you may want to make another backup to an external media of some kind
[04:32] <DasEi> wyclif: so too big, try : head /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[04:32] <escott> tada1, but 1 reallocated sector is the least number you can have that is bad :)
[04:32] <tada1> ok, I apparently have to read about reallocated sectors and the possibilites to solve
[04:32] <DasEi> wyclif: tail /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[04:33] <escott> tada1, there is no way to solve it. its just evidence of a failure at some point... it will only go up over time
[04:33] <tada1> heh, yeah... and I use a 3rd disk to backup every day, month and year
[04:33] <DasEi> tada1: use the long smart test, reallocation is done by the hd itself (if so) and shouldn't affect alldays use at all, you won't even see without smart enabled
[04:33] <escott> tada1, it sounds like you are following a good backup procedure don't worry too much. just figure out if there is a loose cable
[04:34] <wyclif> DasEi: here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333966/
[04:36] <tada1> heh ok, and again thanks escott, I'm happy for learning new in handy comming stuff
[04:37] <tada1> by the way, I wanna show you very quick how this homeserver looks like
[04:37] <DasEi> wyclif: some wierd messages, what I see is you use a dedicated scsi-card(wide/40) , is the cd also attached to it ?
[04:38] <escott> wyclif, that was entertaining to read
[04:38] <siton> hi
[04:38] <wyclif> DasEi: yes, indeed. It's an Adaptec 29160, to be specific, and the CDROM is a Plextor Ultraplex Wide
[04:38] <DasEi> hehe, escott ;)
[04:38] <siton> just a test
[04:38] <tada1> siton: test was successful
[04:38] <wyclif> escott: I know, it made me sick just looking at it. I can't decipher all of it but I know it's not good
[04:38] <siton> thx
[04:39] <DasEi> wyclif: so you have to go in the card's bios and / or check that it's found there, first, jumper settings at cd can be a cause, also cable setting and you got to 'inform the bios of the adaptec of the cdrom
[04:39] <wyclif> DasEi: AFAICT, the CDROM is device #3 on the SCSI bus
[04:39] <DasEi> wyclif: so it shows up there ?
[04:40] <wyclif> DasEi: you mean in the SCSI bios?
[04:40] <DasEi> yess
[04:40] <escott> wyclif, doesn't look the hardware is mishandling things persay, but the driver is sure confused
[04:41] <wyclif> escott: that makes sense, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the hardware, and although this is an older box all the hardware is premium
[04:41] <escott> wyclif, does the card bios offer any kind of sleep state energy efficiency options? perhaps disabling those might help
[04:42] <wyclif> DasEi: yes, when I check the SCSI bios and use the utility it shows all the devices terminated on the bus (the HDD and the CDROM, that's it)
[04:43] <escott> wyclif, its always triggered at " scsi2: Unexpected busfree while idle" so that suggest the card is just saying "you haven't asked me to write anything so im going to sleep" but the kernel is not expecting that and has to tap it on the shoulder to get it back
[04:43] <wyclif> escott: I can't tell you right now. I seem to recall that it does. There are thorough options in the SCSI bios as this is an Adaptec card...pretty well supported
[04:43] <escott> wyclif, as long as your narcoleptic controller only does that when there is no work to do you won't see corruption
[04:43] <DasEi> wyclif: so that was the first thing to check ; I'm overasked whether current kernel supports that  card already, when it came out it was aic7xxx module, that I really can't figure out so easily, maybe you have to look up asu' support concerning linux
[04:44] <escott> wyclif, the enumeration of 15 devices when you only have two is more annoying
[04:44] <wyclif> escott: obviously that is very wrong but I've no idea how to fix it
[04:45] <KrazyKrivda> I was attempting to setup and install bluetooth and I know have about 20 "packages not fully set up or removed"  i get a lsit of dependency problems and I am not sure what to do or where to even start
[04:45] <wyclif> escott: 15 devices is, of course, the maximum you can put on the bus so it's showing the whole chain even though there are only two devices on it
[04:45] <XRS1> sudo apt-get build-dep && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:45] <DasEi> wyclif: you usually can set it in cards' bios-utility, but I never owned that particular modem, so will draw back, maybe ##linux is another good place to ask about that card
[04:47] <wyclif> DasEi: I tried earlier editing the SCSI bios to make the CDROM boot first, but setting it to boot device #3 first didn't work
[04:47] <escott> wyclif, its not even enumerated. its the HDD 15 times
[04:47] <wyclif> DasEi: the default is 0
[04:47] <wyclif> escott: yep, it makes no sense to me
[04:48] <DasEi> wyclif: as said, if you aren't lucky with finding someone knowing that card, first hit would be adaptec support, and then general linux/server-rooms and :
[04:48] <DasEi> !hcl
[04:48] <DasEi> .. there are few ones to look up
[04:49] <wyclif> DasEi: what is !hcl?
[04:49] <escott> wyclif, the driver is probably just wrong for that chip. so it thinks it is asking to enumerate the devices saying what is in channel 0 sees the seagate, updates the wrong register and asks about 1 but the driver answers with what is in 0 again ...
[04:49] <DasEi> wyclif: hardware compatibly list
[04:49] <burtonium> wyclif: hw compatibilty list
[04:49] <wyclif> DasEi: ah thanks
[04:49] <DasEi> or burtonium :), I'm getting tired now, sry
[04:50] <burtonium> sry for interfering
[04:50] <DasEi> nah :)
[04:50] <wyclif> DasEi: do you think it could be a matter of updating the drivers?
[04:51] <DasEi> wyclif: well , on one hand it seems it handles the cd fine, on the other it doesn't seem to find the cd on the same card, so that's my next GUESS, as said, I never owned that model, so can't tell
[04:52] <DasEi> handle the hd fine*
[04:53] <db42d> who have competence with btr5
[04:53] <triplyfrypie> Help! I screwed up an init file and now can't log in. Is there a way to get to a shell from in lightdm?
[04:53] <xangua> !backtrack | db42d
[04:53] <DasEi> !ask | db42d
[04:54] <DasEi> kk, I gtg, tired , later..
[04:54] <db42d> !ask how to join op takedown chan
[04:55] <wyclif> DasEi: Fortunately the Adaptec 29160 SCSI Card manual is available in PDF on the internet :)
[04:55] <wyclif> DasEi: have it open now....
[04:55] <wyclif> ...
[04:55] <quint> when i copy data to my usb flash disk, the transfer is instant but long after the dialog has completed the drive still shows the i/o light blinking. what's the deal with that? how can i get my copy dialigs to be more true to the actual copy process?
[04:56] <ActionParsnip> quint: what app are you using to copy?
[04:56] <quint> thunar
[04:57] <paulschreiber> there are many old files in /boot/grub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1334007/  can i delete the files from february, which appear to be for grub 1?
[04:57] <escott> quint, thats not something you want to happen in general. there might be a way to tell the kernel to buffer less for a particular block device but its that buffering that makes things seem snappy
[04:58] <quint> i just hate to have to watch the light closely long after it says it's finished. it's a bit of a bother. it only seems to happen with thunar
[04:59] <ActionParsnip> quint: have you tried other file browsers, like pcmanfm ?
[04:59] <quint> i used to use that one
[05:00] <quint> when i ran "lubuntu"
[05:00] <quint> on xubuntu now
[05:00] <quint> can i fully replace thunar with pcmanfm?
[05:00] <escott> quint, you should always eject the device and wait for that to indicate success before removing anyways
[05:01] <ActionParsnip> quint: sure
[05:01] <escott> ActionParsnip, is that going to make any kind of difference?
[05:01] <ActionParsnip> escott: its worth exploring
[05:01] <hdm> is there an easy way to determine what packages depend on another? (say, a command or web interface)
[05:01] <quint> i always wait to eject, i've tried ejecting after it reports finished copy and i get an io error and the file doesn't match the original
[05:02] <ActionParsnip> hdm: you can use apt-rdepends
[05:02] <hdm> aha, thanks!
[05:02] <escott> ActionParsnip, my guess is he would have the same experience with a simple command line "cp" and that the problem is the syscall returns success because the write is queued
[05:02] <quint> with cp it seems to work dandy
[05:02] <quint> exactly as it should
[05:02] <ActionParsnip> escott: try both. It's free :)
[05:02] <coolstar> anyone know the difference between glade and glade-gtk2 in the ubuntu software center?
[05:03] <jotterbot> Hey guys, can anyone help me with this problem? http://serverfault.com/questions/445027/raid-card-event-notifications-email-to-gmail
[05:03] <escott> quint, i guess cp is doing syncronus io then
[05:04] <Ozera> Hello everyone. For ubuntu 12.04 what is "mail:x:8:8:mail:/var/mail:/bin/sh"? What does that mean? That there is a mail service on here?
[05:04] <Ozera> in /etc/passws
[05:04] <hdm> Ozera: its just a placeholder account
[05:04] <hdm> you have system mail even if you dont run a real mailserver
[05:04] <Ozera> hdm: For...mail??
[05:04] <hdm> schedule jobs will mail reports to 'root' when they fail, etc
[05:05] <Ozera> ah
[05:05] <coolstar> Ozera: it's for the UNIX sendmail
[05:05] <Ozera> what is "uucp:x:10:10:uucp:/var/spool/uucp:/bin/sh "
[05:05] <Ozera> idk what uucp is
[05:05] <Phibs> having issues with 12.10 & samba: http://pastie.org/5187437
[05:05] <Phibs> any help appreciated
[05:05] <hdm> Ozera: thats really just a placeholder, msot folks dont use it, but its traditional :)
[05:05] <Ozera> hdm: isn't that...a security problem then?
[05:05] <hdm> Ozera: no, those stub accounts dont matter so long as there isnt a password (or empty) present in shadow
[05:06] <Ozera> If I don't use it shouldn't I get rid of it
[05:06] <hdm> deleting them may break system functionality
[05:06] <Ozera> why?
[05:06] <hdm> uucp might be repurposed by some other scheduled task
[05:06] <Ozera> Sorry I am just curious :P
[05:06] <Ozera> kk well i'll be back with more questions!
[05:07] <trism> coolstar: glade is gtk3 glade-gtk2 is gtk2
[05:08] <coolstar> trism: thanks :)
[05:10] <Erin> ttrying to mount my 2TB NTFS drive on an ubuntu live-usb but it acts like it is GPT and says the partition is not NTFS....
[05:10] <Erin> it detects my 120gb SSD's as ntfs though....
[05:11] <escott> Erin, at 2TB it very well may be (and probably is) GPT but that doesn't have anything to do with NTFS so how does it act like it is GPT
[05:12] <Erin> under system in fdisk it says GPT instead of NTFS like the other drive
[05:12] <rinzler> is there anyway to get xrandr to make the right monitor as the first desktop and the left monitor as the second? I'm using arandr and there doesn't seem to be an option for that.
[05:12] <coolstar> Erin: GPT is a partition table. NTFS is a filesystem
[05:12] <Erin> isnt gpt linux based though?
[05:12] <coolstar> Erin: you can have an NTFS formatted partition with a GPT table
[05:13] <Phibs> having issues with 12.10 & samba: http://pastie.org/5187437
[05:13] <Erin> this is on my strictly windows machine
[05:13] <coolstar> Erin: from wikipedia: As of 2010, most current operating systems support GPT, although some (including Mac OS X and Windows) only support booting to GPT partitions on systems with EFI firmware.
[05:13] <Erin> efi firmware, as in my mobo is UEFI ?
[05:13] <escott> Erin, UEFI requires GPT but GPT has nothing to do with EFI
[05:14] <Erin> basically I booted an ubuntu live-usb with hopes of backing up my 120gb SSD's with DD onto the 2TB drive
[05:14] <Erin> when I try to mount the 2tb drive it says it isnt ntfs
[05:14] <escott> Erin, why dont you run "sudo parted -l" and send us that
[05:15] <escott> !paste | Erin
[05:15]  * coolstar prefers pastie.org :P
[05:16] <rinzler> any ideas on how to switch the primary moniter in xrandr?
[05:17] <El_Macho_Del_Oes> Buenas ncohes, madrugadas segun el caso ¿Se habla español aquí?
[05:17] <MK``> Is there a way for me to disable my speakers entirely? I'm using 11.10.
[05:17] <Erin> pastebin.com/Bkx0ETMM
[05:17] <rinzler> !es | El_Macho_Del_Oes
[05:17] <El_Macho_Del_Oes> Gracias, estoy usando por primera vez este soft de Xchat
[05:18] <Ozera> wtf, Is there no /etc/inted.conf file on ubuntu 12.04 ?
[05:18] <escott> Erin you want /dev/sdc2 you were probably trying to access sdc1 which is an EFI system partition
[05:18] <Ozera> I can't find it
[05:18] <escott> Erin, except that MSFT didnt set it up like that for some weird reason... but clearly that is what it is meant for
[05:18] <rinzler> MK``: you should be able to do so in Mixer
[05:19] <Erin> DOH
[05:19] <Erin> ty escott its mounted now, I just didn't figure it out cause /dev/sdc2 doesnt even show up in sudo fdisk -l
[05:19] <Erin> ...
[05:19] <MK``> rinzler: how do I access that?
[05:19] <escott> Erin, stop using fdisk. forget it ever existed
[05:20] <Erin> escott, haha but I had just learned how to use it to partition discs from the command line earlier this year :-)
[05:20] <escott> Erin, fdisk cannot see gpt so it saw the GPT protective partition which is written to the msdos partition table to make sure stupid tools like fdisk don't make people think the disk is empty
[05:20] <coolstar> do you guys think it's worth supporting ubuntu 10.10 and below?
[05:20] <blackshirt> escott: so, what the best tool to access gpt partition
[05:20] <blackshirt> ?
[05:20] <coolstar> cuz 11.04 and higher are gtk3, but 10.10 are gtk2
[05:21] <Erin> escott, ahh well thanks a ton I clearly see the partition in parted, ill have to learn how to use that now :-D
[05:21] <Erin> mount
[05:21] <escott> Erin, blackshirt, sudo parted -l to list partitions and for most functions. gdisk if you have issues where a tool messed things up by say installing an msdos partition on a disk that had GPT but failing to remove the GPT structures when it did so
[05:21] <Erin> oops wrong keyboard ;-P
[05:21] <Ozera> escott: Do you know if there is /etc/inted.conf on ubuntu 12.04 ?
[05:22] <blackshirt> escott, parted look more advanced compared to fdisk, was that right ?
[05:22] <Erin> blackshirt, yea thats what he just explained :-)
[05:22] <escott> blackshirt, parted uses libparted which is the same as gparted so yes
[05:24] <blackshirt> escott: what about cfdisk, is this tool uses libparted too ?
[05:24] <rinzler> MK``: should be accessible through the sound settings button under the volume drop down
[05:24] <escott> blackshirt, never used cfdisk myself. only fdisk, gdisk and parted. i like gdisk best but its also the most advanced.... you really need to read the book to understand everything it presents to you. so i only break it out when windows screws things up
[05:25] <blackshirt> escott: thanks you ..
[05:25] <blackshirt> escott: i have familiar with parted
[05:25] <Ozera> Does anyone know the answer to my question :( ?
[05:25] <escott> blackshirt, if you really want to understand the gpt transition though go read rodsbooks.com
[05:26] <escott> Ozera, locate inetd.conf returns nothing on my 12.10
[05:26] <Ozera> escott: wtfff
[05:26] <blackshirt> escott: thanks anyway
[05:27] <Ozera> escott: What file are TCP and UDP connecetions established from?
[05:27] <escott> Ozera, file? the question doesnt make sense?
[05:27] <Ozera> escott: "The first thing to take a look at is the /etc/inetd.conf file. Most TCP and UDP services are initialized from this file." is why I ask
[05:28] <escott> Ozera, if you use inetd
[05:28] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: i guess you used inetd heavily in the past? unless you use the inetd service to launch those services it wont be running them on ubuntu
[05:29] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: no, but I am trying to learn more about security. I guess I am using a tutorial not meant for ubuntu
[05:29] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: you can run inetd on ubuntu afaik, if your looking for security, look into xinetd =)
[05:30] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: if you want to know what started TCP/UDP connections in general you can use netstat (-pone or something should work)
[05:30] <escott> Ozera, inetd isn't that popular these days because most servers are on 24/7 and you want all services running from boot. so you dont do the whole inetd thing with servers. systemd used by fedora brings the concept back but for a different purpose (reducing power usage)
[05:30] <Ozera> kk
[05:31] <Ozera> thanks ^_^
[05:31] <Erin> cool now I got my win7 backing up on my gaming machine so I can try win8 and see how I like it, god I wish I could use linux for my main gaming OS :-(
[05:32] <escott> Ozera, if you want you can install inetd but most security is handled through iptables so look at
[05:32] <escott> !firewall | Ozera
[05:32] <Ozera> thanks
[05:32] <Erin> escott, why does parted claim my disks are SCSI ?
[05:32] <escott> Ozera, and make sure you arent looking at BSD docs because inetd is still used in BSD land
[05:32] <Erin> scsi was out of use like before I was born ;-p
[05:33] <SolarisBoy> no its not
[05:33] <escott> Erin, because they are :) SATA is basically SCSI with ATA something
[05:33] <Erin> escott, oh yea?
[05:34] <Erin> cd /hd2
[05:34] <Erin> ls/FUCK
[05:34] <Erin> im not doing good with the 2 keyboard setup ;-\
[05:37] <rinzler> Erin: I never do well with two keyboards at the same time :P
[05:37] <coolstar> anyone else notice errors on virtualbox.org?
[05:37] <escott> Erin, im rather fuzzy on all this but there is a difference between the scsi connector (Which is the physical connector and electrical connectivity standards) and the scsi protocol which is how to talk to the disk over that electrical connection. SATA uses a SATA connector and a SCSI type command protocol so the kernel uses the SCSI drivers
[05:38] <nhanth91> how to bring messaging indicator back to Xubuntu 12.10?
[05:38] <Flynsarmy> Erin, rinzler What you need is one keyboard with two people NCIS style
[05:39] <escott> Flynsarmy, then she can ENHANCE
[05:40] <idefix> there's a weird error in my Evolution Mail, it says: <bold>Inbox(57)</bold> but when I click on it it displays no messages, what could be the problem?
[05:41] <Erin> rinzler, yea I usually use SSH w/ x forwarding on my gaming machine to control my linux box and avoid the 2 KB situation
[05:41] <rinzler> Erin: that sounds like it'd work...
[05:41] <Erin> rinzler, it works well :-)
[05:42] <zerowaitstate> coolstar: yeah, 12.10 uses the new xorg which is not supported in VB yet
[05:43] <zerowaitstate> coolstar:  they say it is, but video acceleration does not work
[05:43] <coolstar> zerowaitstate: I'm talkin about their website :P
[05:43] <zerowaitstate> oh, lol
[05:43] <escott> Erin, how SCSI is SATA or the reverse or something ...http://virtualvenesect.com/2011/08/12/converting-a-servers-scsi-backplane-to-use-sata-drives/
[05:44] <zerowaitstate> coolstar: is it a picture of Larry Ellison eating a hotdog and suing Linux companies?
[05:45] <coolstar> zerowaitstate: it's a bunch of python errors
[05:46] <SwedeMike> escott: SAS controllers/backplanes can use SATA drives.  Also, in linux, quite a lot of IDE/SATA drivers are in the SCSI subsystem nowadays.
[05:46] <andreb> morning all
[05:46] <andreb> how can i upgrade ubuntu 10.04 lts to 12.04 lts via the command line ?
[05:47] <gms> moo
[05:47] <SwedeMike> andreb: sudo do-release-upgrade.
[05:47] <escott> SwedeMike, yeah Erin had asked about it earlier... i just get fuzzy with what subset of the SCSI command system is incorporated in the SATA standard
[05:48] <SwedeMike> escott: well, I guess one could say NCQ is inherited from SCSI... but yeah, I don't know the details either.
[05:48] <andreb> swedemike can you post a link where i can read up on it..
[05:49] <escott> SwedeMike, well evidently the guy in the linked article managed to convert the electrical connectors of a SCSI controller to SATA pins and it was somehow usable..
[05:49] <escott> SwedeMike, so it has to be real close
[05:49] <Erin> escott, man that dude is pretty smart, id never have pulled that off and my soldering skill is novice at best.
[05:49] <SwedeMike> andreb: ok, what I'll do is google for "sudo do-release-upgrade" (including quotes) where the third hit for me is "http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/upgrade-to-ubuntu-12-04-from-ubuntu-10-04-via-the-terminal/"
[05:49] <escott> !upgrade | andre
[05:49] <escott> !upgrade | andreb
[05:50] <SwedeMike> escott: SAS and SATA are closely related, yes. SAS controllers implement full support for SATA. SAS drives do not implement support for SATA however, so you can't use SAS drives with a SATA controller.
[05:52] <Erin> is SAS faster than SATA ?
[05:52] <Erin> ive seen the drives on newegg etc and they are wicked expensive.
[05:52] <Flynsarmy> SAS just lets you run a bunch of SATA drives with the one cable. is that the main benefit/difference?
[05:55] <SwedeMike> Flynsarmy: no. advantage of SAS is it gives you a very flexible way of attaching storage (tape drives, hdd:s) with redundancy, you can build rings for redundancy etc.
[05:55] <Erin> what is a tape drive anyway lol ?
[05:55] <SwedeMike> SAS is built for enterprise demands for high availability, high IOPS etc, whereas SATA is built fo be cheap.
[05:55] <escott> Erin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_attached_SCSI goes over some of the differences
[05:56] <zerowaitstate> also, SAS drives tend to implement more complete command sets, such as secure erase, etc
[05:56] <ActionParsnip> Erin: we use tapes where I work, lamefest
[05:56] <Erin>  tape just sounds slow to me
[05:56] <zerowaitstate> don't knock tape
[05:56] <escott> Erin, there are also things like an enterprise disk when it encounters and error has firmware that fails the read immediately counting on the RAID controller to fix things up
[05:56] <escott> Erin, consumer SATA will sit there and reread until the cows come home if it thinks it can get a good read of the data
[05:57] <SwedeMike> tape is good for long term offsite storage etc, also an enterprise requirement.
[05:57] <Erin> escott, yea ive seen it do that on failing drives, pretty stupid
[05:57] <ActionParsnip> Erin: we have tape drives that do about 4Mb/s. Works well.
[05:57] <luffy> I  just check the connect
[05:57] <Erin> ActionParsnip, 4Mb/s is very slow though?
[05:57] <escott> Erin, that rereading is a good thing if thats the only copy of your wedding video though... so different users different needs
[05:57] <Erin> im backing up a drive using DD @ 95 MB/S right now.
[05:58] <luffy> 4Mb is OK
[05:58] <Erin> its slow ;-P
[05:58] <Ozera> Is  /etc/lilo.conf not on ubuntu either?
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> Erin: runs overnight so we have time :), tape change at about 4pm then let it run again
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> Ozera: you can use lilo if you desire
[05:58] <zerowaitstate> at work we back up to LTO-5 tape at around 1 GB/min
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> zerowaitstate: same :)
[05:58] <Erin> but why bother with tape, wont a standard HD last almost forever if its not in use ?
[05:59] <Ozera> Nah it's just it's part of this article I am reading
[05:59] <bkc_> Erin: most likely company regulations
[05:59] <MK``> Does anyone know the name of the sticky notes application from 10.04? I just upgraded from that and it's gone, can't remember the name.
[05:59] <SolarisBoy> Erin: stuff like off site backups and such you can ship tapes off
[05:59] <Andrea_Avea> Hello guys newbie here
[05:59] <SolarisBoy> atleast easier than a bunch of hard drives =)
[05:59] <Erin> But you can ship an HD ...
[05:59] <ActionParsnip> Andrea_Avea: welcome to Ubuntu
[05:59] <SolarisBoy> Erin: ^^
[05:59] <Ozera> "The logs on your system are your way of knowing what is, and has been going on. Logs are located in /var/log. " What logs would I be monitoring?
[05:59] <Erin> oh, are these tapes small ?
[05:59] <SolarisBoy> Erin: yes
[05:59] <ActionParsnip> Erin: 750Mb
[05:59] <bkc_> Erin: they're small and not as heavy as hdds
[06:00] <Erin> I meant small in size, but they are small in capacity also ?
[06:00] <ActionParsnip> Erin: sorry, Gb
[06:00] <Erin> ahh.
[06:00] <zerowaitstate> our tapes are 1.5 terabytes
[06:00] <rinzler> anyone know how to make xrandr make the right monitor the primary monitor?
[06:00] <zerowaitstate> compressed; 750 GB actual
[06:00] <SwedeMike> tape backups are good for multi-generation incremental backups, you move them offsite for long term storage, some are designed for tens of years of shelf life.
[06:00] <Erin> and do tapes get formatted just like HDs ?
[06:00] <zerowaitstate> erin, no tape formating is different
[06:00] <bkc_> Erin: no
[06:00] <SolarisBoy> Erin: they are sequentially read and written
[06:00] <bkc_> it's basically a tar-file...
[06:01] <SolarisBoy> yep
[06:01] <Erin> I know what sequentially means
[06:01] <Erin> OH
[06:01] <Erin> so its like an archive...
[06:01] <zerowaitstate> yup
[06:01] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: Would you know the answer to my question?
[06:01] <ActionParsnip> Erin: they can be, most days you'll just scratch it and the tape will be marked overwritable so will start at the beginning
[06:01] <bkc_> tar.gz + tape == awesome :3
[06:01] <SwedeMike> Erin: http://gsysd.com/articles/a-comparison-of-disk-v-tape-in-a-backup-system.html seems to dweel quite deeply into the subject.
[06:01] <ActionParsnip> Erin: tar = (t)ape (ar)chive
[06:01] <MK``> Ah nevermind, I found the file it uses.
[06:02] <Erin> I love this channel lol, came to figure out why I couldnt mount a drive got an education in scsi and tapes ;-p
[06:02] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: what question?
[06:02] <StormTwo> blablablabla
[06:02] <StormTwo> LOOOL
[06:02] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: "The logs on your system are your way of knowing what is, and has been going on. Logs are located in /var/log. " What logs would I be monitoring?
[06:02] <StormTwo> Glans
[06:02] <Ozera> since there are A LOT
[06:02] <SolarisBoy> although a lot of people do backup to disk then tape in a lot of cases
[06:03] <Erin> Ozera, there are all kinds of logs lol do ls -l /var/log
[06:03] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: it depends on what your looking for
[06:03] <rsv> I want to keep my home directory in a seperate partition, how do i do it?
[06:03] <rsv> how much space i need to reserve for default ubuntu
[06:03] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: Merh, I don't know what I am looking for. What is important to look for?
[06:03] <Erin> rsv, when you format the disk you just make / on one partition /home on another
[06:03] <Erin> rsv, id say 10-15gb to be safe...
[06:03] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: /var/log is the common location of system logs and other application logs as well - e.g. a base install basically logs most things there, and when you install new apps, they generally log their stuff there as well
[06:03] <Ozera> Erin: I know. There are many many
[06:04] <rsv> Erin: for default ubuntu?
[06:04] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: ok.
[06:04] <Erin> rsv, yea im on 12.10 and my / uses under 4 gB with xfce gui lol
[06:04] <rsv> Erin: will it ask me if i re-install ubuntu
[06:04] <StormTwo> my glans said ok
[06:04] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: again it depends on what your looking for. eg you may be interested in syslog, messages, kern.log for stuff concerning the system
[06:04] <rsv> Erin: i also have windows in my disk
[06:04] <Erin> rsv, yes it will, tell it to setup partitions on your disk. and make / and /home on seperate partitions
[06:04] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: can you explain kern.log?
[06:04] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: or you may reference auth.log for things concerning authentication etc - so as stated it really depends
[06:04] <Erin> rsv, manually that is.
[06:04] <blackshirt> rsv: for default desktop or server system ?
[06:05] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: that sounds important.
[06:05] <rsv> Erin: when u say manually what is it
[06:05] <rsv> blackshirt: my desktop system
[06:05] <Phibs> having issues with 12.10 & samba: http://pastie.org/5187437
[06:05] <Erin> rsv, its an option in the setup, when you get to the partitioning section you tell it that you are gonna do it manually
[06:05] <SolarisBoy> Ozera: simply put there are different "parts" of the system that log in linux or atleast with syslog/rsyslog, they are broken into groups
[06:05] <rsv> okay thanks
[06:05] <Ozera> SolarisBoy: ok
[06:05] <Erin> rsv, then you tell it to make one for / about 10gb to be safe id say and one for /home and /swap thats all you need
[06:05] <blackshirt> rsv, more big compared to default server install, its about 10GB or more was safe enought
[06:06] <rsv> how much for swap?
[06:06] <SolarisBoy> Erin: kern.log is messages coming from kern.* (i forget if its all levels of kernel messages or what) but anyway its kernel messages or message that log into the kernel facility
[06:06] <Erin> rsv, how much ram you got ?
[06:06] <Erin> SolarisBoy, yea thats kernel messages..
[06:06] <Erin> SolarisBoy, also check out /var/log/syslog
[06:06] <blackshirt> rsv, commonly twices of ram you have
[06:06] <rsv> cat /proc/meminfo shows: 16451508 kB
[06:06] <StormTwo> kiss my glans
[06:06] <SolarisBoy> Erin: thanks, i was aware =)
[06:07] <Erin> StormTwo, get a girlfriend
[06:07] <SolarisBoy> lol
[06:07] <Erin> and grow up also.
[06:08] <rsv> Erin: is there an app to check how much is my ram
[06:08] <SolarisBoy> free @ rsv
[06:08] <rsv> i dont belive i got 16gb
[06:08] <rsv> SolarisBoy: what are you saying?
[06:09] <SolarisBoy> rsv: it also shows in top and in the meminfo file (its just in kb)
[06:09] <SolarisBoy> rsv: the command is "free" or "top"
[06:09] <SolarisBoy> rsv: or you can look in meminfo file 'cat /proc/meminfo'
[06:09] <blackshirt> rsv: free -m
[06:09] <Erin>  rsv you forget how much ram u bouught lol ?
[06:10] <rsv> Erin: this one was loaned to me by my boss
[06:10] <rsv> SolarisBoy: 16451508
[06:10] <rsv> SolarisBoy: isnt that 16gb?
[06:10] <SolarisBoy> i guess i didn't do the math =)
[06:10] <SolarisBoy> looks like it
[06:10] <SolarisBoy> or about that..
[06:11] <rsv> Erin: accordingly you want me to have a 32gb swap?
[06:11] <jackson_> wassup?
[06:11] <SolarisBoy> you really dont need to rsv
[06:11] <Erin> nah
[06:11] <Erin> id say 8gb is plenty
[06:11] <SolarisBoy> unless you run a huge db or app that has that type of requirement
[06:11] <rsv> Erin: 8gb of swap
[06:11] <SolarisBoy> rsv: how much swap is shown as used now in the "top" command?
[06:11] <Erin> rsv, 8gb should be plenty swap is hardly ever used anyway its when ram gets full I believe
[06:11] <StormTwo> lol
[06:11] <StormTwo> lol
[06:11] <StormTwo> lol
[06:11] <StormTwo> lol
[06:11] <FloodBot1> StormTwo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:12] <rsv> swap: 4193276k
[06:12] <SolarisBoy> rsv: is that the used or available?
[06:12] <rsv> total
[06:12] <SolarisBoy> look at whats used out of that rsv
[06:13] <SolarisBoy> eg look at the usage on a normal basis - its probably not a lot unless you have some production apps running or something lol
[06:13] <SolarisBoy> 8gb is fine - its probably still alot
[06:13] <Erin> SolarisBoy, isnt swap only used when ram is full anyway ?
[06:13] <SolarisBoy> Erin: no
[06:14] <SolarisBoy> the system uses swap in other situations as well
[06:14] <rsv> SolarisBoy: Erin: my usage: http://pastebin.ca/2248429
[06:14] <StormTwo> my ubuntu computer sucks -_-
[06:15] <ActionParsnip> StormTwo: bet mine's worse :)
[06:15] <SolarisBoy> rsv: its not really using a lot at all
[06:15] <rsv> okay guys, let me give it 4gb
[06:15] <rsv> and let me try
[06:15] <rsv> thanks
[06:15] <StormTwo> ActionParsnip: how bad is yours?
[06:15] <ActionParsnip> Erin: swap use is dictated a lot by vm.swappines :)
[06:15] <SolarisBoy> yeps
[06:16] <SolarisBoy> mines is at 10 =)
[06:16] <ActionParsnip> StormTwo: single core semp 3000+ with 2Gb DDR2 and onboard nvidia 6150 256Mb
[06:16] <ActionParsnip> StormTwo: 1.6Ghz
[06:16] <ActionParsnip> StormTwo: thats my best system I own
[06:16] <andreb> trying to upgrade and this is the erorr i get
[06:16] <StormTwo> ActionParsnip: well that's better than mine -_-
[06:16] <andreb> raceback (most recent call last):
[06:16] <andreb>   File "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade", line 10, in <module>
[06:16] <andreb>     from UpdateManager.Core.DistUpgradeFetcherCore import DistUpgradeFetcherCore
[06:16] <andreb>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/UpdateManager/Core/DistUpgradeFetcherCore.py", line 34, in <module>
[06:16] <andreb>     import GnuPGInterface
[06:16] <FloodBot1> andreb: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:16] <Erin> ActionParsnip, yea id throw that machine out if I had it lol!!!
[06:16] <andreb> ImportError: No module named GnuPGInterface
[06:16] <SolarisBoy> uh oh
[06:17] <Erin> ActionParsnip, infact I did throw a similar one out recently haha.
[06:18] <ActionParsnip> Erin: what you got?
[06:18] <Erin> my 'buntu machine is an i3 550. my gaming machine is an i5 3750k
[06:18] <Erin> both heavily oc'd w/ 8gb of ram
[06:18] <BoomerBile> Erin, why aren't they the same box?
[06:19] <rinzler> how do I get to the aditional drivers settings?