[14:06] <itsankhere> Hi, Need some help to install Ricoh 150SU scanner on Xubuntu. Getting "could not open "r75389L2" Archieve not supported" error while clicking the tar file downloaded from http://support.ricoh.com/bb/html/dr_ut_e/re2/model/sp150su/sp150su.htm
[14:09] <itsankhere> I managed to install the driver on Ubuntu version last week using the instructions provided on https://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=2015840 but this week I switched over to Xubuntu and stuck again installing the scanner.
[14:13] <GridCube_> itsankhere: it should be exactly the same
[14:15] <itsankhere> Thanks for responding GridCube. I thought so but not able to open the r75389L2.tar file
[14:20] <itsankhere> Getting the error as mentioned above. "Archive type not supported". Any suggestions ??
[14:21] <krytarik> I don't see a '.tar' file to download there in fact.
[14:26] <itsankhere> r753789L2.gz which I uncompressed to tar file but can't proceed further.
[14:27] <itsankhere> I downloaded the version provided for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (x86-64)
[14:30] <krytarik> This works here: gunzip r75389L2.gz → tar -xf r75389L2
[14:36] <itsankhere> Pardon my ignorance. Let me try.
[17:41] <russian> hello,please help me. I was delete catalog "Downloads". Can i restore this catalof
[17:47] <russian> Hello, please help me. I was delete catalog "Downloads". Can i restore this catalog?
[19:54] <dave_mwi> hello all. Running brand new installation of xubuntu. I have an older AMD gpu in this system - but I can't seem to locate any AMD install instructions that are working...is there anything I can do as far as drivers for this chip?
[19:55] <knome> is something not working or working too slowly?
[19:55] <dave_mwi> all seems to be working fine...just curious if there's something more I can do...it's been a while since I've run ubuntu, but there used to be fglrx drivers I think
[19:56] <knome> for 16.04+, it's not supported by AMD or in ubuntu
[19:57] <dave_mwi> hmm, well ok. thanks for the tip
[19:57] <knome> !fglrx | dave_mwi


[14:05] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: looks like I have the oem-config case nailed.
[14:05] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Go you! Do you have package I can download/install in my snapshot for testing?
[14:06] <cyphermox> I'll get you one in a moment
[14:10] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Perfect. I'll test in Ubuntu MATE as soon as you ping me a link :)
[15:30] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: should be built soon: https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/ubuntu/installer-dev/+sourcepub/4872033/+listing-archive-extra
[15:32] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Thanks.
[15:32]  * flexiondotorg waits...
[15:37] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Can I simply install this into a VM that is waiting for the "Prepare for shipping to end user" icon to be clicked?
[15:37] <cyphermox> yes, should be fine
[15:39] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Thanks.
[15:49]  * flexiondotorg takes a deep breath and starts testing cyphermox updates
[15:51] <cyphermox> if it doesn't work, don't tell me immediately, let me bask in the satisfaction of thinking I got it right for a moment :)
[15:51] <cyphermox> ... while I consider the best way to stab casper into cooperation
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, First test was a success, I think ;) I was actually talking to someone and then notice my VM was sitting at the login screen.
[15:56] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Will roll back the snapshot and test again becuase xorg-server did crash it seems.
[16:00] <cyphermox> ok
[16:01] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Works.
[16:01] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Ubuntu MATE can now be OEM configured. The oem user is indeed removed.
[16:01] <cyphermox> and after that you get the login prompt immediately?
[16:01] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, On my Virtualbox test machine, xorg-server has crashed at some point during the restarting of the display manager.
[16:02] <cyphermox> is it always crashing?
[16:02] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Part way through the OEM configuration the MATE Desktop is loaded, then replaced with LightDM.
[16:02] <cyphermox> that may just be artefacts though?
[16:02] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Yes, I can reproduce xorg-server crash. Could be VBox.
[16:03] <cyphermox> do you have a crash file in /var/crash?
[16:03]  * flexiondotorg checking
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Yep and apport has handled the crash
[16:04] <cyphermox> doh
[16:04] <cyphermox> so this is no good
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Do you want an LP bug?
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, It is a big step forward I'd say.
[16:05] <cyphermox> not necessarily, depends why it crashed
[16:05] <cyphermox> if you can file a bug that would help, yes
[16:06] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, 'X -br -ac -noreset tcp -background none vt7 :0' is what crashed.
[16:06] <cyphermox> that looks like the command-line for ubiquity-dm
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> I also noticed that when LightDM is displayed after OEM config is completed I can't switch vts
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> Or rather, I can switch but I get now console.
[16:07] <flexiondotorg> *no console.
[16:07] <cyphermox> press enter
[16:07] <cyphermox> I hate this systemd porting, so complicated when things were already working :'(
[16:11] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1438770
[16:12] <cyphermox> ah, yes
[16:12] <cyphermox> ugh
[16:15] <cyphermox> could you give it another shot and see if it does the same without updating ubiquity?
[16:16] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, What do you mean without updating ubiquity/
[16:17] <flexiondotorg> I added your PPA and dist-upgraded.
[16:17] <flexiondotorg> I have snapshots prior to that.
[16:17] <cyphermox> right, used a snapshot prior to dist-upgrade:)
[16:18] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, And do any updated at all?
[16:19] <cyphermox> correct
[16:19] <flexiondotorg> OK
[16:19] <cyphermox> I'm doing the same, this is to make sure whether it's a regression or something that was already broken
[16:20] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I think already broken. Because I fully expect to not get a LightDM login after oem-config completes now. I expect to be left in the MATE Desktop.
[16:20] <cyphermox> well, i wouldn't even get a desktop here
[16:21] <cyphermox> it would normally stay there waiting for the terminal to come up or for X to appear
[16:24] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, This is what I end up without your fixes - http://imgur.com/fbYG98j
[16:24] <cyphermox> yeah, here I get an X crash but because lightdm tries to start and fails
[16:24] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, oem-config ask me who I am and stuff. Then I see the "Applying Changes" progress bar, then the error above.
[16:25] <cyphermox> right
[16:25] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, So, a pre-existing issue with lightdm. I know pitti said he was looking into a lightdm regression. Maybe related?
[16:26] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, With your fixes, oem-config works and completes and does what I expect right up until I login and the I am notified about xorg crashing.
[16:26] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I need to head home now.
[16:27] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I hope I've helped in some small way.
[16:27] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I'll be online again later.


[17:02] <coolbhavi> hey dpm
[17:02] <coolbhavi> read your mail now
[17:05] <dpm> hey coolbhavi, welcome back :)
[17:06] <coolbhavi> dpm, I can register for the ARB review blueprint
[17:06] <coolbhavi> tell me if I need to do something else
[17:07] <dpm> coolbhavi, excellent, thanks. Just a couple of things:
[17:07] <dpm> - Could you use the prefix 'appdev-r-' for the name of the blueprint? This way it will go automatically to the app devs track
[17:08] <dpm> - Could you set the Approver to jonobacon? I'll then make sure he approves it and it gets into the schedule
[17:08] <coolbhavi> sure
[17:08] <dpm> coolbhavi, actually, you can set the approver to me, which will save me pinging Jono
[17:09] <coolbhavi> done
[17:09] <coolbhavi> just give me 2 mins
[17:10] <dpm> great, thanks!
[17:13] <coolbhavi> dpm, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-r-arb-review
[17:15] <dpm> coolbhavi, excellent, thanks! I'll get it approved. Do you mind if I add a few notes to the whiteboard?
[17:15] <coolbhavi> dpm, please go ahead!
[17:16] <dpm> coolbhavi, also, make sure to subscribe yourself to it, so that it appears on your UDS calendar, and the session auto-scheduler can do its work
[17:16]  * dpm forgets about it sometimes
[17:16] <coolbhavi> dpm, done :)
[17:17] <coolbhavi> dpm, I'll just fire up a quick post on the mailing list so that interested people can subscribe
[17:18] <dpm> coolbhavi, sounds great
[17:20] <dpm> ok, it seems I can't approve the ARB blueprint. jono, could you approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-r-arb-review so that it is imported into summit?
[17:24] <jono> dpm, done
[17:24] <dpm> cool, thanks jono
[17:24] <coolbhavi> dpm, just posted on the mailing list
[17:24] <coolbhavi> thanks jono
[17:24] <jono> :-)
[17:25] <dpm> coolbhavi, in about 30 min you should see the session on the App Dev track: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/track/appdev/
[17:25] <coolbhavi> dpm, great!
[17:27] <coolbhavi> ll reply to your mail now dpm
[17:27] <dpm> super
[17:33] <coolbhavi> done
[17:33] <coolbhavi> if there are any other things related to the arb I can help
[17:35] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, good morning if you are around :)
[17:35] <dpm> coolbhavi, I think that should be it for now. If you could think of suggestions for streamlining the process of reviews (e.g. reducing the number of required votes, simplifying reviews, etc...), and if you could add them to the whiteboard, I think that'd be really helpful to drive the discussion
[17:36] <dpm> coolbhavi, also, if you think any other ARB session is needed, feel free to register it. Just ping me and I'll make sure it's approved
[17:36] <coolbhavi> dpm, yes I do have :) discussion of the new app dev process
[17:37] <coolbhavi> maybe we can have as a separate session?
[17:39] <dpm> coolbhavi, sure, it all depends on what you want to get out of that session. We've got one scheduled for the new app dev process already: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21213/the-new-ubuntu-app-developer-upload-process/ - I'd suggest you have a look to see if that covers it, and then you can decide if you want to register a separate one
[17:40] <coolbhavi> dpm, seems fine!
[17:41] <dpm> coolbhavi, also, there's this question on Ask Ubuntu the ARB might want to answer. It's a tricky one, so I confess I'm just passing the hot potato to you guys :) - http://askubuntu.com/questions/204706/is-the-ubuntu-application-review-board-dead
[17:41] <coolbhavi> arb dead?
[17:41] <coolbhavi> hmm
[17:42] <coolbhavi> ll reply
[17:59] <coolbhavi> dpm, replied
[18:01] <coolbhavi> dpm, does it sound a bit direct?
[18:02] <dpm> coolbhavi, thanks. Sounds good, and being direct is never a problem if done respectfully :)
[18:02] <coolbhavi> haha thanks :)
[18:11] <coolbhavi> dpm, regarding the lowering of voting threshold m a bit skeptical
[18:11] <dpm> coolbhavi, why is that?
[18:12] <coolbhavi> as I personally believe more number of eyeballs leads to a quality review
[18:12] <coolbhavi> i.e the quality of review increases
[18:55] <ajmitch> morning (though coolbhavi has now disappeared)
[18:57] <ajmitch> dpm: so I'd love to mark myself as attending those arb sessions on summit, but summit is crashing & burning on me :)
[19:03] <ajmitch> dpm: fwiw, the scheduler has put the new upload process & arb review in the same timeslot
[19:11] <dpm> ajmitch, crashing is to be expected of any software, but I'd be worried about the burning part :)
[19:11] <dpm> ajmitch, so you're coming to UDS?
[19:17] <dpm> and thanks for the heads up, trying to sort out the time for that session so that it doesn't conflict
[19:19] <ajmitch> dpm: yes I'll be at UDS
[19:19] <ajmitch> yes I need to catch up & reply to email :)


[02:28] <mup> PR snapd#10147 closed: browser-support: Allow firefox to run correctly under wayland <Created by alexmurray> <Closed by alexmurray> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10147>
[05:41] <mborzecki> morning
[06:05] <zyga> good morning
[06:34] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[06:34] <zyga> mborzecki o/
[06:34] <zyga> mborzecki I see snow outside
[06:35] <mborzecki> zyga: (un)lucky you
[06:35] <mborzecki> it's just rain here
[07:02] <pstolowski> morning!
[07:12] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey, welcome back!
[07:17] <pstolowski> hey, glad to be back :)
[07:17]  * pstolowski needs to reboot
[07:30] <mvo> pstolowski: good morning! great that you are back
[07:30] <pstolowski> hey mvo !
[07:41] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[09:25] <mup> PR snapd#10140 closed: boot, overlord/devicestate: consider gadget command lines when updating boot config <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10140>
[10:34] <jamesh> pedronis: fyi, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9043 is updated now that the accessChecker implementations are on master
[10:34] <mup> PR #9043: daemon: replace access control flags on commands with access checkers <Needs security review> <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9043>
[10:34] <jamesh> so a smaller diff
[10:35] <mup> PR snapd#10127 closed: daemon: add new accessChecker implementations <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10127>
[10:50] <pedronis> jamesh: thanks, great, I put it back in my queue
[11:26]  * pstolowski lunch
[11:49] <Trixelit> is anyone here?
[12:07] <mborzecki> Trixelit: there is
[12:08] <mborzecki> pedronis: i've opened https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10148 the managers tests grew a bit
[12:08] <mup> PR #10148: overlord/devicestate, overlord/snapstate: add task for updating kernel command lines from gadget <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10148>
[12:10] <mup> PR snapd#10148 opened: overlord/devicestate, overlord/snapstate: add task for updating kernel command lines from gadget <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10148>
[12:10] <pedronis> mborzecki: that's most of what we discussed for .extra ?
[12:10] <mborzecki> yes
[12:11] <pedronis> anyway let's see how it looks once 43 is landed
[12:15] <Trixelit> I'm confused, snap installed core version 2.37, refreshing it says there's no new updates but github has 2.42
[12:16] <Trixelit> certbot won't work without the newest version but I don't know how to install it
[12:23] <mborzecki> Trixelit: 2.37 is very old,  debian and ubuntu can reexec directly to a version from the core snap, but other distributions rely on their pacakge repositories
[12:24] <Trixelit> so what do I do?
[12:25] <Trixelit> snap version
[12:25] <Trixelit> snap    2.37.4-1+b1
[12:25] <Trixelit> snapd   2.37.4-1+b1
[12:25] <Trixelit> series  16
[12:25] <Trixelit> deepin  20.2
[12:25] <Trixelit> kernel  4.15.0-30deepin-generic
[12:32] <Trixelit> is there a way to update snapd from github?
[12:37] <pstolowski> Trixelit: no, why would you want that? (sorry i missed earlier context if there was any; snapd should refresh itself from time to time)
[12:37] <Trixelit> when i installed core, it installed at 2.37, but there are no updates available when i try to refresh it
[12:38] <Trixelit> and certbot doesn't work unless snapd is at its latest version
[12:38] <Trixelit> pstolowski
[12:40] <pstolowski> Trixelit: what does 'sudo snap refresh core' say?
[12:40] <Trixelit> snap "core" has no updates available pstolowski
[12:41] <pstolowski> Trixelit: and 'snap list'?
[12:41] <Trixelit> Name         Version    Rev    Tracking  Publisher     Notes
[12:41] <Trixelit> certbot      1.14.0     1093   stable    certbot-eff✓  classic
[12:41] <Trixelit> core         16-2.49.2  10958  stable    canonical✓    core
[12:41] <pstolowski> (please pastebin if long)
[12:41] <Trixelit> core20       20210319   975    stable    canonical✓    base
[12:41] <Trixelit> hello-world  6.4        29     stable    canonical✓    -
[12:45] <pstolowski> hmm that's weird, you have latest core, so snapd should be at that version (2.49.2)
[12:52] <mborzecki> pstolowski: it's deepin? maybe reexec isn't used there
[12:52] <mborzecki> maybe they have their own package builds or sth
[12:53] <Trixelit> makes no sense as to why certbot doesn't work if I have the latest core
[12:53] <Trixelit> I just hope i can get this working tonight
[12:55] <ogra> ou'll likely have to ask deepin to update the snapd package, seems it is used from the deepin archive there
[12:55] <ogra> *you'll
[12:55] <zyga> no reexec on deepin IIRC
[12:55] <zyga> it's easy to check
[12:55] <zyga> the logic is in snapd
[12:56] <zyga> but even if the distro patched it, it would need alignment to really work
[12:56] <ogra> right, its a deepin problem, they need to update
[12:56] <Trixelit> So pretty much, certbot will never work
[12:56] <Trixelit> unless deepin actually updates it
[12:58] <ogra> what are the symptoms of "certbot no working" ... you didnt tell us yet
[12:58] <mborzecki> iirc debian stable reexecs
[12:59] <mborzecki> from what i read deeping is based on debian stable, so unless they did something with package version or disabled reexec explicitly it shoudl reexec right?
[12:59]  * zyga looks
[12:59] <mborzecki> Trixelit: can you run `SNAPD_DEBUG=1 snap version` and paste the output?
[13:07] <zyga> Trixelit what does /etc/os-release look like on deepin?
[13:07] <Trixelit> @mor
[13:07] <Trixelit> ah
[13:07] <Trixelit> mborzecki 2021/04/14 23:07:08.334235 cmd_linux.go:70: DEBUG: re-exec not supported on distro "deepin" yet
[13:07] <Trixelit> error: unknown command "2.37.4-1+b1", see 'snap help'
[13:07] <Trixelit> zyga
[13:07] <Trixelit> PRETTY_NAME="Deepin 20.2"
[13:07] <Trixelit> NAME="Deepin"
[13:07] <Trixelit> VERSION_ID="20.2"
[13:07] <Trixelit> VERSION="20.2"
[13:07] <Trixelit> ID=Deepin
[13:07] <Trixelit> HOME_URL="https://www.deepin.org/"
[13:07] <Trixelit> BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bbs.deepin.org/"
[13:07] <zyga> there you go
[13:08] <zyga> there's no ID_LIKE=debian
[13:08] <zyga> so no reexec
[13:08] <zyga> you can try adding that
[13:08] <zyga> and restarting snapd
[13:08] <Trixelit> What is reexec
[13:08] <zyga> ID_LIKE="debian"
[13:08] <zyga> but no promises
[13:08] <Trixelit> where do I put that?
[13:08] <zyga> reexec is a snapd feature
[13:08] <zyga> where instead of waiting for deepin to do the update
[13:08] <zyga> you can get snapd from the core snap itself
[13:08] <zyga> (or from the snapd snap)
[13:09] <zyga> it requires some effort to support so it is not automatic
[13:09] <Trixelit> no updates available
[13:09] <zyga> *if* you want to try that then edit /etc/os-release, add that line and restart snapd
[13:09] <zyga> but no promises
[13:09] <Trixelit> I just tried that
[13:09] <zyga> snaps are all up-to-date
[13:09] <zyga> restart snapd.service
[13:09] <zyga> and run snap version
[13:10] <Trixelit> holy it updated
[13:10] <Trixelit> snap    2.49.2
[13:10] <Trixelit> snapd   2.49.2
[13:10] <Trixelit> series  16
[13:10] <Trixelit> deepin  20.2
[13:10] <Trixelit> kernel  4.15.0-30deepin-generic
[13:10] <Trixelit> Thanks zyga
[13:10] <zyga> Trixelit if it works do let us know
[13:10] <zyga> as in, if nothing breaks after a while
[13:10] <zyga> reboot and see if it's all good later
[13:10] <Trixelit> fingers crossed
[13:10] <Trixelit> ill try certbot in a few mins
[13:40] <pedronis> pstolowski: I should look at the last commint in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10053 right?
[13:40] <mup> PR #10053: o/snapstate: helper for getting snaps affected by refresh, define new hook <Needs Samuele review> <Refresh control> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10053>
[13:41] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes
[13:41] <pedronis> ok, I put it back into my queue
[13:55] <mup> PR snapd#10149 opened: many: implement fde-hooks v2 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10149>
[14:28] <ijohnson> thanks for the review mvo !
[14:28] <mvo> my pleasure
[14:30] <mup> PR snapd#10133 closed: wrappers/services.go: introduce EnsureSnapServices() <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10133>
[14:56] <mup> PR snapd#10150 opened: tests: new tests.skip tool <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10150>
[15:25] <pedronis> pstolowski: I reviewed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10053, the code looks right but I was confused for a sec, made some comments/order suggestions
[15:25] <mup> PR #10053: o/snapstate: helper for getting snaps affected by refresh, define new hook <Needs Samuele review> <Refresh control> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10053>
[15:26] <pstolowski> pedronis: looking, thanks
[15:56] <mup> PR snapd#10128 closed: tests: add 20.04 to systems for nested/core <Run nested> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10128>
[16:00] <pedronis> jamesh: I re-reviewed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8699 some small things there, I will need a 2nd review from somebody else in snapd
[16:00] <mup> PR #8699: interfaces/desktop-launch: support confined snaps launching other snaps <Needs Samuele review> <Created by AlanGriffiths> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8699>
[16:00] <pedronis> s/I/it/
[16:00]  * cachio_ lunch
[16:48] <mborzecki> re
[16:48] <mborzecki> hm, i'm confused by how we eanble secure boot in nested manual tests, iirc it was supposed by be enabled by default when the system is 20.04?
[16:50] <cachio_> mborzecki, it always goes through this
[16:50] <cachio_> [ "$NESTED_ENABLE_SECURE_BOOT" = true ]
[16:50] <cachio_> because the var is set
[16:51] <cachio_> what you changed is the default bahaviour in case the variable is not set
[16:54] <mborzecki> cachio_: i have nested/manual tests, which does not set NESTED_ENABLE_SECURE_BOOT, but system is 20.04, so secure boot would be enabled by default, wouldn't it?
[16:55] <mborzecki> eh and magically the same branch that works with tpm locally fails in spread jobs in 10148
[16:55] <cachio_> mborzecki, I think the mess was introduced when both core and core20 were merged
[16:57] <cachio_> manual tests should use the same configuration as core suite
[16:57] <cachio_>             # Enable tpm in the nested vm in case it is supported
[16:57] <cachio_>             NESTED_ENABLE_TPM: '$(HOST: echo "${NESTED_ENABLE_TPM:-}")'
[16:57] <cachio_>             # Enable secure boot in the nested vm in case it is supported
[16:57] <cachio_>             NESTED_ENABLE_SECURE_BOOT: '$(HOST: echo "${NESTED_ENABLE_SECURE_BOOT:-}")'
[16:57] <cachio_> so default values are used
[16:59] <cachio_> mborzecki, do you want to update that in the same pr?
[17:04] <mborzecki> cachio_: i mean this part, the idea was taht if the env variable is not set, but the system is ubuntu-20.04* secure boot gets eanbled by default, and afaiu this covers tests/nested/manual tests too right?
[17:05] <mborzecki> uhh, i see now
[17:05] <mborzecki> there's env for tests/nested/manual suite which overrides this :/
[17:07] <cachio_> yes
[17:07] <cachio_> this is what we need to change
[17:26] <mup> PR snapd#10106 closed: secboot,boot: provide fde-hooks v2 API interface to hooks <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10106>
[17:27]  * cachio_ afk
[18:01] <mup> PR snapd#10143 closed: boot: handle updating of components that contribute to kernel command line <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10143>
[20:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#3500 closed: docker: Need to repeat ARG in every section <Created by abitrolly> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3500>
[20:26] <mup> PR snapd#10118 closed: boot/flags.go: add HostUbuntuDataForMode <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10118>
[21:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#3502 closed: snaps: do not validate snaps before install/refresh (Fixes LP#1901733) <Created by Saviq> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3502>
[22:25] <StupidDanbo> I can't run Chromium. Someone from #ubuntu suggested I try asking here. after running: sudo snap refresh, I got: error: cannot perform the following tasks: - Run configure hook of "chromium" snap if present (run hook "configure": cannot create temporary directory for the root file system: Permission denied)
[22:37] <ijohnson> StupidDanbo can you run `snap changes` and then `snap tasks <chg>` for any task that is in Error state?
[22:38] <ijohnson> Also note that most folks are EOD right now so you will get the most help if you make a forum post and post some details then EU folks will see it in their morning
[22:54] <StupidDanbo> oh I only saw the 2nd part at first.
[22:55] <StupidDanbo> same error about permission denied for creating temporary directory for root
[22:55] <ijohnson> StupidDanbo can you share the full output though?
[22:56] <StupidDanbo> how do I do that?
[22:56] <ijohnson> You can copy the output from the terminal and put it in pastebin.ubuntu.com and share the pastebin link here
[22:58] <StupidDanbo> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/s7GmChnnph/
[22:59] <StupidDanbo> hm. identical error for task 270
[23:04] <StupidDanbo> is there a way to backup my Chromium bookmarks before I try to reinstall it? or does"removing" all snaps not uninstall Chromium?
[23:07] <StupidDanbo> maybe "apparmor doesn't like symlinks"
[23:08] <StupidDanbo> but surely my /tmp/ isn't on the SSD...
[23:08] <StupidDanbo> .... oh, it IS a symlink. It's got that arrow on the folder icon.
[23:09] <StupidDanbo> ironically my root folder looks like it's on the SSD, while /tmp is pointing to my HDD to avoid filling it up. :|


[00:10] <andre_pl> this live disk doesn't have smartctl, how can I get the serial number of a drive? I'm not sure which one I just wiped :)
[00:11] <sarnold> try lshw?
[00:12] <andre_pl> there we go, thanks :)
[00:19] <andre_pl> so, I booted my machine back into its original os (the same hardware that just had a working array) and on startup I get: mdadm: superblock on /dev/sdd doesn't match others - assembly aborted.  then a bit further down [....] Cleaning up temporary files...
[00:19] <andre_pl> but it seems hung there
[00:31] <andre_pl> it eventually booted but theres no sign of the array here... :\
[00:31] <andre_pl> nothing in /proc/mdstat or mdadm --detail
[00:37] <ebonics> having an issue with dovecot.. it's not sending AUTH LOGIN. if anyone can check if my configs are wrong thatd be great: https://dpaste.de/aqcb
[00:40] <sarnold> ebonics: is there anything inthe logs?
[00:42] <ebonics> sarnold, not in mail.log or mail.err, but i have a feeling it's just configured wrong
[00:42] <sarnold> ebonics: does dovecot have its own log file?
[00:43] <ebonics> sarnold, afaik it just logs to those two
[00:43] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: it often does. rsyslogd has a config file that routes some syslog traffic to different files
[00:43] <andre_pl> anyone have any thoughts as to why the live CD auto assembled my array, but an older debian install won't due to the non-matching superblock?
[00:44] <andre_pl> or how I can safely correct it?
[00:44] <ebonics> hmm ok ill investigate zerowaitstate thanks
[00:46] <ebonics> ok sarnold zerowaitstate it's just using method=PLAIN
[00:47] <ebonics> is there some reason why it would default to that?
[00:48] <zerowaitstate> as opposed to what?
[00:48] <ebonics> auth_mechanisms = plain login
[00:48] <ebonics> isn't login a method?
[00:49] <zerowaitstate> what type of login mechanism do you want?
[00:49] <ebonics> i thought that "LOGIN" was a mechanism, which explains the AUTH LOGIN smtp packet header
[00:49] <ebonics> i had it working before but i guess i broke something
[00:51] <zerowaitstate> are we talking about SMTP or dovecot?
[00:51] <ebonics> dovecot
[00:51] <zerowaitstate> SMTP is Postfix, not dovecot
[00:51] <ebonics> so when i telnet to port 587 what protocol is that ?
[00:52] <zerowaitstate> ESMTP
[00:52] <ebonics> which is dovecot right?
[00:52] <zerowaitstate> which is being handled by Postfix, as shown in your dpaste
[00:52] <ebonics> oh..
[00:52] <ebonics> i thought that it just meant that dovecot was delegating to postfix
[00:53] <ebonics> shouldn't it be going through dovecat?
[00:53] <zerowaitstate> there is some interaction yes, because dovecot needs to know where postfix is storing messages for that domain
[00:53] <zerowaitstate> postfix handles SMTP, dovecot handles POP3/IMAP
[00:53] <zerowaitstate> I realize it's confusing
[00:54] <ebonics> like for a mail client i have it configured to port 587 and under imap
[00:54] <ebonics> and yet when i telnet to port 587 it's using ESMTP
[00:54] <ebonics> so i don't really understand
[00:54] <zerowaitstate> SMTP is what your mail client is using to SEND MAIL. IMAP is what your client is using to CHECK MAIL.
[00:54] <ebonics> oh wow my mail client is using port 143.. what the
[00:55] <zerowaitstate> they are two totally different protocols. for historical reasons, mostly, they are handled by two different software packages
[00:55] <ebonics> okay i understand now zerowaitstate thanks
[00:56] <ebonics> so really postfix is my problem zerowaitstate?
[00:56] <zerowaitstate> are you having problems sending mail, or checking mail?
[00:57] <ebonics> i'm hitting spambox in my tests when i send mail. so i tried telnetting and realised it wasnt sending the AUTH LOGIN packet so i assume that has to do with it
[00:57] <zerowaitstate> hitting spambox...i don't follow
[00:57] <ebonics> my mail is being sent to spam
[00:58] <ebonics> because of some auth or validation related reason
[00:58] <ebonics> ie. it wasn't hitting spam earlier and it was using AUTH LOGIN
[00:58] <zerowaitstate> mail you are sending is being sent to the spam folder when someone else receives it?
[00:58] <ebonics> when i receive it
[00:58] <ebonics> yes
[00:58] <ebonics> my server -> my gmail account
[00:58] <zerowaitstate> ah, so you are testing by sending to yourself?
[00:58] <ebonics> gmail spamboxes it
[00:59] <ebonics> yes
[00:59] <zerowaitstate> okay. unfortunately, the answer is "it's complicated"
[00:59] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: your smtp server is functioning, however, Google does not fully trust it
[00:59] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: there are a number of reasons that can happen.
[01:00] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: lack of DKIM / SPF records for the domain can be one reason
[01:00] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: the lack of SSL support server-to-server can be another
[01:01] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, shouldn't it be using SSL
[01:01] <ebonics> i implemented a cert
[01:01] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: also, if you are sending from an IP block that is a previous known abuser, it may be blacklisted
[01:02] <ebonics> and zerowaitstate thanks for the info, however i wasn't hitting spambox earlier and i noticed in my telnet adventures that it was sending AUTH LOGIN, while now it's not
[01:02] <ebonics> so i feel like that's likely the problem at hand at this moment
[01:03] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, are you saying the AUTH LOGIN is handled by postfix?
[01:03] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: AUTH LOGIN is what the client sends, not the server
[01:03] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, how :| i swear it was sending AUTH LOGIN earlier..
[01:04] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: and yes, SMTP is handled by postfix, so the config you're interesting in is there
[01:04] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: ah, yeah, you definitely have a postfix problem
[01:04] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: it looks like you are operating an open SMTP without authentication
[01:04] <ebonics> lol
[01:04] <ebonics> :|
[01:07] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: however there is a little caveat. It may be that postfix is set up to support pop-before-smtp which allows you to use smtp from an ip address without authentication if you used pop/imap from that same address recently
[01:08] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, i haven't enabled pop3 as far as i know
[01:08] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, shall i post my postfix conf?
[01:08] <zerowaitstate> yeah, but the same is true for imap I believe
[01:09] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, https://dpaste.de/yObJ
[01:09] <zerowaitstate> I actually have to go in a sec. However, I would recommend you check smtp from a different IP address that has not checked mail via POP/IMAP to that server recently.
[01:09] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, okay, thanks for the help.
[01:10] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: based on my prior experience with dovecot, my guess is you checked mail from your computer, then ran your smtp test and it didn't attempt to authenticate you due to dovecot telling postfix via SASL that you were already legit.
[01:11] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: the reason imap-before-smtp is used is so people putting in their email stuff on their phones, etc, don't have to enter a username/password twice for both imap and smtp
[01:11] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, that's possible. i'm using thunderbird so it will be using my ip
[01:12] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: i think it's poor security personally
[01:12] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: but it's a very popular default configuration
[01:12] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, it seems good for large scale systems for performance
[01:12] <zerowaitstate> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POP_before_SMTP
[01:13] <zerowaitstate> http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/PopBSMTPAndDovecot
[01:13] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, do you know how i can flush the session or whatever it is so i can do proper testing
[01:13] <zerowaitstate> no idea, but it's probably in the dovecot docs
[01:13] <zerowaitstate> since dovecot is handling the user database
[01:14] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: performance has nothing to do with it. there is very little performance hit in checking a password, especially compared to doing things like TLS
[01:15] <ebonics> zerowaitstate, there could be if the database isn't threadsafe
[01:15] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: also, NAT screws up POP before SMTP
[01:15] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: username/password databases are key value stores. it's very easy to make a key-value store threadsafe
[01:15] <zerowaitstate> ebonics: anyway, I got to eat. take it easy
[01:16] <ebonics> seeya zerowaitstate thanks for the help
[01:37] <andre_pl> patdk-lap: as I suspected, mdadm says the 2TB is too small to replace the 3, so i'm going commando
[01:37] <cyclob|work> hi guys, trying to set up munin cgi using this guide: http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/MuninConfigurationMasterCGI but all i get is 403 forbidden :S any help on what to do
[01:37] <patdk-lap> hmm
[01:37] <andre_pl> is it basically fail & remove /dev/sdX1, then add /dev/sdX
[01:38] <andre_pl> no format in between?
[01:38] <patdk-lap> you can
[01:39] <andre_pl> from your reply i gather there is a better way?
[01:39] <patdk-lap> not really
[01:39] <patdk-lap> have two options
[01:39] <patdk-lap> get a larger disk to rotate with
[01:39] <patdk-lap> or make your raid array with your 2tb, and copy it all over
[01:39] <patdk-lap> and copy it all back
[01:40] <patdk-lap> would be the only 100% safe way
[01:40] <andre_pl> i'll take my chances with the swaps
[01:40] <patdk-lap> doing a drop and add is ok
[01:40] <patdk-lap> but there can be risk during the time
[01:40] <andre_pl> by doing that as I said above, it will use the full disk instead of a partition, and I'll get the full 3tb each once it's all done?
[01:41] <patdk-lap> it will see the full 3tb
[01:41] <patdk-lap> but it won't use it till you tell it to grow
[01:41] <patdk-lap> and it won't grow till your done
[01:42] <andre_pl> ok I just saw something frightening
[01:43] <andre_pl> resync claims to be WAY faster than last time, and if I'm reading it right, mdadm says there's only 2tb of data instead of 5ish
[01:44] <andre_pl> Used Dev Size: is that per disk? or total occupied space?
[01:44] <patdk-lap> per disk I think
[01:44] <andre_pl> I guess I can mount it and see if anything is missing?
[01:44] <andre_pl> it seem wierd that a ton of data would just disappear like that
[01:44] <andre_pl> but i'm also worried about how the previous OS wouldn't reassemble the array
[01:45] <patdk-lap> ya, per disk
[01:45] <andre_pl> phew
[01:45] <patdk-lap> Array size is total
[01:46] <andre_pl> the resync is gonna take 350 mins.. last time it was 1200
[01:46] <andre_pl> i dont think these disks are that much faster
[01:46] <patdk-lap> newer faster disks
[01:47] <andre_pl> possible I guess...
[01:47] <andre_pl> scary.. I should have looked closer at the files to make sure they were all there
[05:20] <ruben23> hi guys
[05:20] <ruben23> i have an existing ubuntu server with apps - when i do  apt-get update does it effect the other apps installed or update them also..?
[05:20] <ruben23> any idea guys
[05:21] <sarnold> ruben23: how did you install those other apps?
[05:21] <ruben23> i worry my server might get broken when i run  - apt-get update
[05:21] <ruben23> they are install by package, some are by source
[05:22] <sarnold> when you built packages by source, did you install them into /opt/ or /usr/local or did you install them into /usr?
[05:22] <ruben23> /usr/local some are /usr/src
[05:23] <sarnold> okay, those should be left alone, packages should leave /usr/local alone, some packages od install into /usr/src but that's mostly kernel headers, I think...
[05:24] <sarnold> now, the packages, how did you install those packages? did you download .deb files and use dpkg -i on them? or did you add new repositories to your /etc/apt/sources* files?
[08:55] <arcsky> i did chmod -R 700 /home/user and now all files are green
[08:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:08] <jrwren> arcsky: dont' do that. :)
[09:08] <ebonics> anyone know if its common for GNU mailman with default settings to be hitting gmail spambox on postfix (DKIM + SPF enabled) setup? i don't hit spambox when just sending through postfix
[09:31] <arcsky> jrwren: how should i make it then? if i dont want other users to list my home dir?
[09:53] <jrwren> arcsky: without the -R
[09:54] <jrwren> arcsky: -R means recurse. It sets mode on all files and dirs in that dir recursiverly
[10:04] <arcsky> jrwren: danke
[10:06] <arcsky> jrwren: how can i switch back fist to default mode?
[10:12] <jrwren> arcsky: you cannot.
[11:06] <spyridonas> Hello guys i tried to setup postfix/dovecot with virtual emails but i recieve the following error "status=bounced (cannot update mailbox /home/admin//var/vmail for user admin unable to create lock file /home/username//var/vmail.lock: No such file or directory)"
[11:06] <spyridonas> The mailbox path is wrong but i can't find it to change it , where is it located?
[11:16] <spyridonas> Any ideas?
[11:34] <spyridonas>  Hello guys i tried to setup postfix/dovecot with virtual emails but i recieve the following error "status=bounced (cannot update mailbox /home/admin//var/vmail for user admin unable to create lock file /home/username//var/vmail.lock: No such file or directory)"
[11:34] <spyridonas> The mailbox path is wrong but i can't find it to change it , where is it located?
[11:49] <strikov> spyridonas: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#home_mailbox
[11:49] <strikov> 'Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.'
[11:50] <spyridonas> Oh , how i see the user home directory?
[12:00] <spyridonas> strikov : cat /etc/passwd says  vmail:x:2000:2000:Virtual Mailboxes,,,:/var/vmail:/usr/sbin/nologin
[12:03] <spyridonas> strikov: can i modify it so its /var/vmail?
[12:05] <strikov> spyridonas: it depends on what you want to achieve; 'If set, mail_spool_directory specifies an absolute path where mail gets delivered. Alternatively, if set, home_mailbox specifies a mailbox relative to the user's home directory where mail gets delivered.'
[12:08] <strikov> spyridonas: you seems to have home_mailbox=/var/vmail which is probably wrong
[12:08] <spyridonas> strikov: thanks this seems to fix it but no i don't recieve the email at all, and no errors to be found
[12:08] <strikov> spyridonas: what did you do exactly?
[12:09] <spyridonas> strikov: the logs says everything is ok
[12:09] <spyridonas> strikov: i commented out the home_mailbox and set  mail_spool_directory to be /var/vmail
[12:09] <strikov> spyridonas: i think you receive mail w/o any issues now but it gets placed to some unexpected folder
[12:09] <strikov> spyridonas: it should be placed into /var/vmail then
[12:10] <spyridonas> strikov: but i have virtual mailboxes that defined like that mail_location = maildir:/var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir:INDEX=/var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir/indexes
[12:11] <spyridonas> strikov: but that's inside dovecot
[12:12] <spyridonas> strikov: i also have "virtual_mailbox_base = /var/vmail"
[12:12] <spyridonas> strikov: on postfix
[12:12] <strikov> spyridonas: i'm not an expert but i assume that you have two options
[12:12] <strikov> spyridonas: you either store mail for user X inside /home/X/<something>
[12:13] <strikov> spyridonas: or you store all the mail inside /var/vmail/ and do sorting there
[12:13] <strikov> spyridonas: which way you want?
[12:13] <strikov> If you want 1st way (which is simpler) you do home_mailbox = Maildir/
[12:13] <spyridonas> strikov: the 1st because virtual emails are stored like so "/var/vmail/domain/user/"
[12:14] <strikov> and then (when you receive mail) mutt -f ~/Maildir
[12:14] <strikov> this dir should exist i think
[12:15] <spyridonas> strikov: that means i have to delete everything postfixadmin created and redo the whole virtual mail boxes setup....
[12:15] <strikov> spyridonas: you want 2nd way then (I think) not 1st
[12:16] <spyridonas> strikov: the problem is that the directories are variables
[12:17] <spyridonas> strikov: i don't want all emails to /var/vmail , i want the email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to be on /var/example/admin/ and the email from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to be on /var/example2/admin.
[12:18] <strikov> spyridonas: try to comment out both mail_spool_directory and home_mailbox
[12:19] <strikov> spyridonas: it seems to me that you have a working config but this home_mailbox thing simply broke everything
[12:20] <spyridonas> strikov: hmm... still nothing
[12:21] <strikov> spyridonas: define 'nothing'
[12:21] <spyridonas> strikov: i wonder why virtual_mailbox_base doesn't simple override everything
[12:21] <strikov> spyridonas: check /var/vmail/*
[12:21] <strikov> spyridonas: i assume that you should get mail to /var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir as you defined in the config
[12:21] <spyridonas> strikov: /var/vmail has nothing delivered to it and the domain folders i cant understard if something was just added
[12:22] <spyridonas> strikov: the Maildir has .Archive, .Drafts etc...
[12:22] <spyridonas> strikov: but nothing delivered to it
[12:23] <strikov> spyridonas: Maildir is used only when home_mailbox is set
[12:23] <strikov> spyridonas: you either use it or not
[12:23] <strikov> spyridonas: we came to conclusion that you don't want to have it
[12:24] <spyridonas> strikov: ok i dont want it then
[12:24] <spyridonas> strikov: sure
[12:24] <strikov> spyridonas: so, you don't have home_mailbox in the config?
[12:24] <strikov> spyridonas: you don't forget to restart the thing, right?
[12:25] <spyridonas> strikov: i do have it commented out because its relative the user
[12:25] <spyridonas> strikov: home_mailbox
[12:27] <spyridonas> strikov: relative to user means /home/vmail but i have it on /var/vmail. Should i just delete the Maildir part of "mail_location = maildir:/var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir:INDEX=/var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir/indexes"
[12:27] <spyridonas> strikov: but then indexes doesn't exist...
[12:29] <spyridonas> strikov: should i simply copy the folder to /home/vmail instead ?
[12:30] <strikov> spyridonas: /var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir means that mail will be stored at /var/vmail/<domain>/<user>/Maildir
[12:30] <strikov> spyridonas: you either want this or not
[12:30] <strikov><EMAIL_ADDRESS>will be store at /var/vmail/example.com/info/Maildir
[12:31] <spyridonas> strikov: i don't mind if i copy it to the parrent folder, the problem is the parrent folder doesn't have indexes folder which its used latter
[12:31] <strikov> spyridonas: i don't understand you problem
[12:31] <spyridonas> strikov: "mail_location = maildir:/var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir:INDEX=/var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir/indexes"
[12:31] <spyridonas> strikov: says on dovecot
[12:32] <spyridonas> strikov: i can simple made it "mail_location = maildir:/var/vmail/%d/%n"
[12:32] <spyridonas> strikov: but i wont have the indexes part
[12:32] <strikov> spyridonas: for what reason?
[12:32] <spyridonas> strikov: because i dont want to user Maildir
[12:33] <strikov> spyridonas: you want to 'convert' existing mail database into a new hierarchy of folders?
[12:33] <spyridonas> strikov: no i don't care the existing mail database is empty
[12:34] <strikov> spyridonas: i don't know if Maildir name is required or not by some other components
[12:34] <strikov> spyridonas: i'd stick with a regular way and don't invent the wheel
[12:34] <spyridonas> strikov: i will delete i then
[12:35] <spyridonas> strikov: if that doesn't work i will re-do it
[12:39] <spyridonas> strikov: it doesn't work.. i will re-do it again, thanks for helping me out
[12:39] <strikov> spyridonas: yw
[13:42] <spyridonas> Hello guys is there any way to track a directory when new files are created?
[13:46] <dasjoe> inotify?
[13:47] <purplehorace> Hi looking for some help on a strange problem with ubuntu server and apache2
[13:48] <purplehorace> I have the system set up and there is an index.html being served in /var/www/
[13:48] <Sling> spyridonas: yeah, inotify could be used for this, you can let it 'monitor' a specific location
[13:48] <Sling> use the google power to find out how exactly
[13:49] <purplehorace> I have tried to remove the index.html to try and use an index.php but no matter what I do it always returns the content of the index.php even if I move it out of the way ???
[13:49] <Sling> purplehorace: most likely due to browser caching
[13:49] <spyridonas> Sling: Thanks, i can't recieve emails but i can't understand where the files end up.
[13:49] <Sling> purplehorace: or do you mean it returns the contents of index.html instead of index.php ?
[13:49] <teward> purplehorace: purge your browser cache and retry
[13:54] <purplehorace> The browser is rendering the index.html and the server isn't serving the index.php even though its there.  I thought it should use the php if the html isn't there
[13:55] <dasjoe> purplehorace: check /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ for enabled sites and their docroot
[13:56] <purplehorace> OK I'll have a check of settings, thanks
[13:59] <Sling> purplehorace: make sure DirectoryIndex lists index.php before index.html
[13:59] <Sling> but still, if index.html doesn't exist and your browser still 'gets' the index.html contents, its definitely caching
[14:07] <Error404NotFound> How do I know which screen session i am connected to from within a screen session, assuming have multiple screen sessions running and I am connected to others too from same machine.
[14:15] <Sling> Error404NotFound: screen -list will show the PID's
[14:15] <Sling> so from within one of the screens do echo $PPID
[14:15] <Sling> and that should correspond to one of them
[14:15] <Error404NotFound> hmmm, let me try
[14:15] <Sling> assuming your shell is a child process of the screen process
[14:17] <Error404NotFound> Sling: awesome
[14:17] <Error404NotFound> thanks
[14:20] <spyridonas> Hey guys how can i change postfix default email save location?
[14:21] <Sling> spyridonas: postfix is usually not the daemon 'saving' email
[14:21] <Sling> its an MTA
[14:21] <spyridonas> if i change home_mailbox = it only appends whatever i type to /home/username/whatever/i/typed/
[14:22] <Sling> ah
[14:22] <Sling> spyridonas: the most flexible would be letting postfix deliver it to procmail
[14:22] <Sling> and then each user can have its own procmail rules
[14:23] <spyridonas> Sling: i have already setup dovecot/postfix, currently it doesn't work because emails end up on wrong directories
[14:23] <spyridonas> Sling: i have them setup with virtual domains and emails
[14:24] <Sling> spyridonas: so what does your main.cf look like?
[14:24] <Sling> you would normally have something like "virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp" for a postfix+dovecot stack
[14:25] <Sling> and then have lmpt listed in the 'protocols' section in dovecot.conf
[14:25] <spyridonas> Sling: like this http://pastebin.com/mFjyh5uG
[14:27] <spyridonas> Sling: i dont have what you said
[14:27] <Sling> I see that
[14:28] <Sling> is this a new setup you're building or/
[14:28] <spyridonas> Sling: it's new i dont care if i loose emails, i followed this guide http://serion.co.nz/howto/howto-setup-mailserver-using-postfix-mysql-dovecot-postfixadmin-amavis-new
[14:28] <spyridonas> Sling: i need postfixadmin
[14:28] <Sling> why?
[14:30] <spyridonas> Sling: map files are exactly the same with this guide
[14:30] <spyridonas> Sling: i need to have multiple hosts with accounts end up in the same server
[14:31] <Sling> what I use is mysql for storing the domains/maps/aliases
[14:31] <Sling> like, virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-domains.cf
[14:31] <Sling> which then contains something like http://paste2.org/I1BUI5O4
[14:32] <Sling> then you can use SQL to manage your postfix stuff, or phpmyadmin, etc
[14:32] <Sling> but maybe this is a topic for #postfix :)
[14:33] <spyridonas> Sling: well i only need to change the directory , everything else works
[14:33] <spyridonas> Sling: i can send emails , all emails have ssl, dmarc,dkim, and a bunch of stuff
[14:33] <Sling> dovecot should be storing your incoming mails
[14:33] <Sling> not postfix
[14:34] <spyridonas> Sling: i can't recieve them because that config doens't work... :S
[14:34] <Sling> ..
[16:25] <tash> anyone know if you can configure unattended upgrades to notify only, but not actually upgrade?
[16:26] <tash> i can't seem to find it in docs
[16:29] <rbasak> tash: maybe --dry-run?
[16:30] <rbasak> tash: you might have to modify /etc/cron.daily/apt though
[16:30] <rbasak> tash: also note that you can run /usr/lib/update-manager/apt-check from a script
[16:31] <rbasak> (I'm not sure that's "official" API though)
[16:48] <ebonics> is it normal for mailman to be getting spam filtered by gmail with default settings (im using postfix with DKIM and SFP setup)? note: i dont get the same results with just postfix alone.
[19:17] <lhorace> Hello
[19:17] <lhorace> I have a KVM with 238MB.... Webmin fits nicely but when it runs apt-show-versions... OOM get's excuted
[19:18] <lhorace> I am just curious, apt-show-versions needs a lot memory to run? I assume it loading stuff into MEM?
[19:21] <ebonics> lhorace, https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-on-ubuntu-14-04
[19:22] <lhorace> ebonics: I know how... The KVM came with template but since you mention that
[19:22] <lhorace> I am going to see if I can add swap
[19:29] <lordievader> lhorace: Is apache running on the same box?
[19:30] <lhorace> Nope, just mail box
[19:30] <lhorace> just Postfix, webmin
[19:31] <lhorace> sshd
[19:31] <lhorace> There extra process that I am not using and I am going to kill
[19:32] <lhorace> dbus,init, and kernel pids
[19:33] <lhorace> I don't recall how to resize EXT4 so I am looking up that information
[19:33] <lordievader> resize2fs
[19:33] <lordievader> Anyhow 238Mb is really tiny...
[19:33] <lhorace> The assigned size is... 9.9GB total with 1.1Gb in use
[19:34] <lordievader> Assigned size of what?
[19:34] <lhorace> For the plan that I have
[19:34] <lordievader> What?
[19:34] <lhorace> It's 238MB with 9,9GB
[19:34] <lhorace> I am renting a KVM from a hoster and they assigned me 238MB with 9.9GB
[19:35] <bekks> Can you pastebin "free -m" please?
[19:36] <lhorace> I am also renting another KVM, which is 512MB, a bit bigger but I am using for something else
[19:37] <lhorace> They are Cloud Service
[19:37] <lhorace> http://pastie.org/10098764
[19:37] <lhorace> Both have Ubuntu 14.04
[19:38] <bekks> !webmin
[19:38] <lhorace> bekks: I don't have issues with Webmin on Ubuntu
[19:38] <bekks> For a small mailserver, the 154M free would be ok. For nothing else.
[19:39] <bekks> Well, it isnt supported anymore on Ubuntu.
[19:39] <lhorace> Okay, thanks
[19:39] <lhorace> Umm, where you get 154M?
[19:39] <lhorace> You adding the cache and free?
[19:39] <lhorace> BTW, This box relays mail to another box
[19:39] <bekks> Yes. Because thats the RAM available to applications.
[19:40] <bekks> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[19:40] <lhorace> That does the actual deveilvery
[19:40] <lhorace> bekks: Thanks, I read up Linux memory management actually
[19:41] <lhorace> If I sound dumb, not trying to be
[19:44] <lhorace> I think swap of size 300MB should be good enough
[19:48] <lhorace> I can't resize2fs, it's online
[19:50] <lhorace> "resize2fs: On-line shrinking not supported", I am going to have to ask the admins to do it for me
[19:55] <lordievader> What kind of filesystem is it?
[19:56] <lhorace> Ext4, I am going to look into a swap file
[19:58] <lordievader> Ah, shrinking... live extending is supported. Read that wrong...
[19:58] <lhorace> yeah
[19:59] <lhorace> I was going to make room for a swap partition since that's most recommended
[19:59] <lhorace> swapfile is the most easiest fixed and the admins are not in the mood
[20:06] <lhorace> bekks: lordievader http://pastie.org/10098824
[20:07] <bekks> And?
[20:07] <lhorace> Thanks for the suggestion, that really helped me a lot, wasn't sure how to solve the problem... I was thinking of disabling Webmin from running apt-show-version... When it runs, it jumps, then processes based on score start to be killed
[20:07] <lhorace> bekks: Just show you I resolve the problem
[20:07] <lhorace> bekks: Better?
[20:09] <bekks> So you added a swap file then?
[20:09] <lhorace> yup
[20:10] <bekks> Did you change swappiness too, as well as changing the default behaviour of the OOM killer?
[20:10] <lhorace> Uh, I was thinking about swappiness but as for OOM killer behavior.. I still have more to read
[20:11] <lhorace> I think, with 60, that should be good enough, I am not sure I really want to go for agressive swappiness
[20:11] <lhorace> KVM is on SSD
[20:11] <bekks> Well, you actually dontwant to swap at all, if it can be avoided. So set vm.swappiness=5 or 10 in /etc/sysctl.conf
[20:12] <lhorace> Hmmm, good point
[20:13] <lhorace> I will see
[20:13] <bekks> And set vm.oom_kill_allocating_task=1 too
[20:13] <lhorace> What does that do?
[20:14] <bekks> When you are running out of memory, the OOM killer starts to randomly kill processes until the situation is resolved. You actually never want that. You want the process which causes the situation to be killed.
[20:15] <lhorace> bekks: Okay, my observation, apt-show-versions get's killed
[20:15] <lhorace> Then, I have tmux
[20:15] <lhorace> So, I don't see ramdoniess, thus far
[20:16] <lhorace> webmin which is the parent, get's killed but the time span
[20:16] <lhorace> The parent of 'apt-show-versions'
[20:16] <bekks> So if tmux causes the OOM situation, and webmin gets killed, thats random death.
[20:16] <lhorace> lol
[20:17] <lhorace> Okay
[20:17] <lhorace> I so a lot of tmux inovked OOM
[20:17] <lhorace> s/so/saw/
[20:17] <lhorace> For now, my critical serices keep running
[20:18] <lhorace> services*
[20:19] <lhorace> bekks: Actually, the template, so swapiness to 0
[20:19] <lhorace> s/so/set/ I don't have great spelling skills
[20:20] <bekks> So if tmux is causing the OOM, set vm.oom_kill_allocating_task=1 to make sure tmux gets killed then.
[20:20] <lhorace> okay, set
[22:45] <Peiniger> I’m logged in to a server that is rejecting all new connections. In /var/log/auth.log I’m seeing the following message:  Connection closed by myipaddress [preauth]
[22:46] <Peiniger> I’ve restarted ssh and verified authorized_keys hasnt been changed.
[22:51] <lhorace> Peiniger: not enough information
[22:51] <lhorace> SSHD might be closing the connection just becaust
[22:51] <Peiniger> What other info would you like?
[22:52] <lhorace> You can put SSHD in DEBUG mode
[22:53] <Peiniger> Can I put it in debug mode without losing my current connection?
[22:54] <lhorace> Peiniger: openSSH spawns SSH clients
[22:54] <lhorace> so, you can restart SSHD witout affecting your current session
[22:54] <pmatulis> Peiniger: pastebin what you get with the client in verbose mode (ssh -v).  could be a number of things.  like permissions of .ssh directory or key files
[22:54] <Peiniger> no problem. 1 minute please
[22:55] <pmatulis> more v's are possible but one is usually good (ssh -vvv)
[22:56] <Peiniger> http://pastebin.com/YXbp1ZGC
[22:57] <pmatulis> Peiniger: so could be a few things.  but i would first check auth.log on the server.  pastebin the last few lines
[22:57] <lhorace> Umm pmatulis you explain or can I?
[22:57] <lhorace> Uhhh
[22:57] <pmatulis> lhorace: go ahead
[22:57] <lhorace> Well, the authentication mentods is publickey
[22:58] <lhorace> That's why it faied
[22:58] <lhorace> oops, failed*
[22:58] <lhorace> There is not other method to try
[22:59] <pmatulis> lhorace: ?
[22:59] <lhorace> Well, with my SSHD, I might keep it to just publickey
[23:00] <lhorace> But if you lose it, you need to find another way
[23:00] <pmatulis> Peiniger: anyway, provide auth.log.  otherwise, this error can occur if you're connecting to the wrong user account or the public key is not installed in the remote ubuntu user's home directory
[23:00] <Peiniger> pmatulis: the only sshd error im getting in /var/log/auth.log is Connection closed by myipaddress [preauth]
[23:01] <lhorace> What SSHD tells me now is enough to know what is the problem
[23:01] <lhorace> Some of you need to read the openSSH docs
[23:01] <lhorace> It's clear as day in the pastebin
[23:02] <lhorace> debug1: identity file /Users/someuser/Documents/someorg/ssh-keys/someorg-east.pem type -1 ?
[23:03] <lhorace> that might be the problem
[23:04] <Peiniger> lhorace: can you elaborate?
[23:04] <sarnold> lhorace: but the command line asked for -i ~/Documents/someorg/ssh-keys/someorg-server1.pem and it appears it was tried.. debug1: Trying private key: /Users/someuser/Documents/someorg/ssh-keys/someorg-server1.pem
[23:05] <lhorace> I keep my private key safe
[23:07] <lhorace> On, I have Arch Linux, Ubuntu, etc severs... I usally disable the password or any other mechnasim of auth on SSH
[23:07] <sarnold> Peiniger: are you confident the public portion of /Users/someuser/Documents/someorg/ssh-keys/someorg-server1.pem  is in the authorized_keys of the user account on the remote server you're tryingt ouse?
[23:07] <Peiniger> I will double check
[23:07] <lhorace> Except for publickey
[23:09] <lhorace> sarnold: All the AUTH methods failed
[23:09] <Peiniger> the output of my .pem file is a private key.
[23:09] <Peiniger> what do you mean the public section?
[23:10] <lhorace> I didn't know that you keep private keys in PEM format
[23:10] <sarnold> Peiniger: most ssh clients store the privkey ina file named e.g. id_rsa and the public portion in afile named id_rsa.pub
[23:10] <lhorace> Must be a new SSH feature
[23:10] <sarnold> lhorace: I think the .pem format was a feature of the ancient commercial ssh
[23:10] <bekks> The .pem file contains a SSL certificate, which is not a SSH key.
[23:11] <bekks> Isnt it?
[23:11] <Peiniger> “The private key file is automatically downloaded by your browser. The base file name is the name you specified as the name of your key pair, and the file name extension is .pem. Save the private key file in a safe place.”
[23:11] <sarnold> Peiniger: _browser_?
[23:11] <Peiniger> from the amazon docs
[23:11] <lhorace> As long of SSH that I have, I never seen SSH encode it in PEM format
[23:11] <sarnold> lhorace: be thankful :)
[23:12] <Peiniger> sarnold: i would ignore the browser piece
[23:12] <Peiniger> must download instructions
[23:12] <sarnold> lhorace: the old commercial ssh was verybadterrible
[23:12] <lhorace> I want to help Peiniger
[23:12] <Peiniger> Its for Amazon EC2 key pairs
[23:12] <lhorace> make sure he solved his issue
[23:12] <sarnold> lhorace: .. but this sounds like some funky amazonery rather than the old commercial ssh
[23:13] <lhorace> sarnold: Don't care about the backround
[23:13] <Peiniger> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/ec2-key-pairs.html
[23:13] <pmatulis> Peiniger: i can connect to Amazon instances with such a .pem key
[23:13] <pmatulis> Peiniger: the problem is probably you didn't choose the proper key when you created your instance
[23:13] <lhorace> It might end with .pem
[23:14] <Peiniger> pmatulis: the instance has been around for a while now
[23:14] <lhorace> the contents is different
[23:14] <Peiniger> ssh suddenly stopped working
[23:14] <Peiniger> i just happened to be logged in to it
[23:14] <pmatulis> interesting, "suddenly stopped working"
[23:15] <pmatulis> Peiniger: you have console access right?
[23:15] <lhorace> SSH will spawn a process
[23:15] <Peiniger> yes…i should have said stopped receiving new connections
[23:15] <lhorace> It stop working doesn't mean the deamon stopped
[23:16] <lhorace> I said, before, but SSHD in debug mode
[23:16] <Peiniger> lhorace: can i put it in debug mode without disconnecting my current session?
[23:17] <lhorace> Peiniger: It could be your SHELL that disconnect you
[23:17] <Peiniger> others are experiencing this problem too
[23:17] <lhorace> Peiniger: If you currently logged and ROOT authority .. yes
[23:18] <lhorace> SSHD spawns new process for clients under their priviledge
[23:19] <lhorace> Peiniger: When you say others, I need to know what Ubuntu Version?
[23:20] <Peiniger> lhorace: server is 14.04.1
[23:21] <lhorace> Okay, I have 4 14.04.1
[23:21] <lhorace> and Arch Linux.. etc
[23:22] <lhorace> You asked me a few times if making changes will destro your current session
[23:23] <lhorace> SSHD spawns Processes
[23:24] <lhorace> It means depends on how the program is program that one process shouldn't effect another
[23:26] <Peiniger> im with you. thanks for the explination
[23:29] <lhorace> I wanted to make sure everthing was goign alright with you Peiniger
[23:32] <lhorace> I just finish reading up on SSH and PEM
[23:32] <Peiniger> I need to get a port opened to run in debug mode
[23:32] <lhorace> That debug1: identity file /Users/someuser/Documents/someorg/ssh-keys/someorg-east.pem type -1
[23:32] <lhorace> that was your problem
[23:33] <lhorace> I took at my key, it's in PEM format
[23:33] <lhorace> It's not*
[23:34] <Peiniger> what is the problem?
[23:35] <lhorace> PEM and SSH key are both base64 but when you decode it.. it means something else
[23:36] <sarnold> I really don't think that's it; the command line asked for a specific (different) key, and that other key was tested later
[23:37] <sarnold> here's a successful login to my isp with half-dozen of those "type -1" lines: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10841461/
[23:37] <sarnold> I think you're better off putting that sshd into debug mode and hoping for more verbose messages that way
[23:38] <lhorace> RIGHT
[23:38] <Peiniger> Ill give that a shot once I can open another port
[23:38] <Peiniger> thanks for your help
[23:41] <sarnold> unforuntately I don't see much in the way of debugging messages when I search for "Connection reset by", they all show up on len==0 results from socket reads, e.g. http://sources.debian.net/src/openssh/1:6.7p1-3/packet.c/?hl=1137#L1137
[23:42] <sarnold> so debug mode may not help much, but it's worth trying
[23:50] <pmatulis> Peiniger: i asked before, did you confirm the public key is installed in the remote ubuntu user's home directory?  even though it "suddenly stopped working", it is good to check
[23:51] <Peiniger> yes i did
[23:54] <sarnold> Peiniger: check ls -ld output for ~ ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote server; if owners, groups, or permissions are the least bit wrong, sshd will refuse to use it; I'd expect it to log something about it on the server, but the client often has no visibility about why the public key didn't work


[08:02] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: the replies on the ZFS fallocate case seem good, lets see what further happens
[08:03] <cpaelzer> it seems to get partially philosophic about "lying to userspace" :-)
[08:10] <cpaelzer> jamespage: there are no ovs 2.12 release notes yet - what do you think we should add as link to our release notes?
[08:25] <cpaelzer> oh the link already works http://openvswitch.org/releases/NEWS-2.12.0
[08:25] <cpaelzer> well I'lla dd this then
[08:51] <seb128> k, so network-manager's autopkgtest started failing on eoan/i386 because linux-headers-generic went missing
[08:51] <seb128> which I expect is a wanted archive change?
[08:51] <seb128> does anyone know the recommended alternative/what the pkg should install/do instead?
[09:37] <seb128> Laney, ^ can you mark the n-m i386 test buggy until I figure out what we should be doing without an i386 kernel?
[09:45] <Laney> seb128: guess so
[09:45] <Laney> you probably want vorlon for this
[09:45] <seb128> vorlon, ^
[09:45] <seb128> help please :)
[09:45] <seb128> Laney, thx
[09:45] <Laney> I'll do the hint for now
[09:46] <Laney> would be good to have an update and some advice on what to do in general
[09:46] <seb128> thx
[09:46] <seb128> right
[09:47] <seb128> would also have been nice to some announce of such changes happening that late in the cycle but I will stop batting this drum I did it enough
[11:52] <cpaelzer> xnox: thanks for your words on openssl
[11:52] <cpaelzer> reads good and I feel better now
[11:52] <cpaelzer> I'll give the DEFAULT@SECLEVEL a test somewhen soon
[11:53] <cpaelzer> I knew you'll be the one with the best answers being involved in all of this, but it also provides a chance for anyone else to speak up :-)
[11:53] <xnox> cpaelzer:  there is nothing new in them =) it's just repeats of things that were said in Brussels & Malta
[11:53] <cpaelzer> I haven't heard about dh-keysize being known or the related potential workaround yet
[11:54] <cpaelzer> maybe I haven't heard all in Brussels/Malta or was in different sessions at the time
[11:59] <cpaelzer> I remember we talked in Paris (and before) about the reasoning being long term maintainability
[11:59] <xnox> cpaelzer:  dh-keysize was not known explicitely, it was more of a general what-if given the set of new key-exchange and encryption algos introduced, and their priority / order / size has changed.
[11:59] <xnox> cpaelzer:  and given that tlsv1.3 is siletnly enabled, so slightly higher level concern than dh-size.
[11:59] <cpaelzer> yep
[12:03] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: I can use a workaround of some sort: use zvols, libvirt has integration for that
[12:03] <ahasenack> each vm will get its own zvol, instead of a qcow2 image
[12:04] <cpaelzer> I'd have wondered if apparmor for these work
[12:04] <cpaelzer> does it?
[12:04] <cpaelzer> but surely if that works for you, feel free to do so
[12:05] <ahasenack> well, I installed eoan on a vm using this scheme
[12:05] <cpaelzer> without manually tweaking apparmor
[12:05] <cpaelzer> nice
[12:05] <ahasenack> that was the extent of my testing, and I also snapshotted the volume, but using zfs, not libvirt's snapshot
[12:05] <cpaelzer> that should be enough, then the labelling changes I did a while ago might pay off
[12:05] <cpaelzer> I haven't tested it in regard to zvols back then
[12:06] <cpaelzer> two positive news in sequence much better than the rest of the morning, keep going ahasenack and xnox :-)
[12:25] <doko> seb128: hmm, why is valgrind expecting debug info in the shared libs, they should be stripped anyway?
[12:44] <seb128> doko, I don't know but those warnings might not be the issue, there is something weird going on though with glib/gtk symbols from my testing, unsure where to start to figure it out though :/
[12:47] <doko> valgrind is rebuilt after the glibc upload, so that should be ok
[12:47] <doko> seb128: when did you start seeing these?
[12:48] <seb128> doko, I didn't do much valgrind debugging on eoan so I can't really tell, I tried to use it on gnome-calendar yesterday and it failed to give me anything useful ... could also be something to do with gnome-calendar though, I will try on some other gnome binaries
[13:02] <doko> seb128: and mono/s390x, I didn't upload, just synced the python2 removal over there. contacted debian/upstream and xnox for now
[13:04] <seb128> doko, thx
[13:19] <xnox> doko:  ftbfs in debian too, just attempted a rebuild in sid chroot with sbuild
[14:12] <tarzeau> requestsync doesn't work for me anymore but i'd suggest to not release proposed fasttracker2 with 19.10, either take the 1.00 or don't release
[14:12] <tarzeau> dphys-config; aptitude-robot-session
[14:12] <tarzeau> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/fasttracker2/+bug/1815447
[15:01] <seb128> doko, thanks for that next cycle archive opening email, it's useful to see what's going on!
[15:27] <seb128> fossfreedom, hey, did modern toolbar used to be default for rhythmbox-plugin-alternative-toolbar? it's not in 19.10 atm and I wonder if that's a regression/some distro default we lost on the way, do you know maybe?
[15:38] <fossfreedom> It's the default for budgie as of a couple of days ago. I will have to look later to see what happened with ubuntu gnome... driving at the mo'
[15:42] <HokarPokar> Hey guys. I'm trying to write a piece of code that can detect keypresses in background, for any application opened. Does anyone know of an API in ubuntu that can help me achieve this ? The long term goal is to map those sequential keypresses to a command, pretty much like keyboard shortcuts. Except that, keys in keyboard shortcuts need to held
[15:42] <HokarPokar> down. What I want is to detect a certain sequence of keypresses and then, map that to a command
[15:43] <HokarPokar> The subtlety that I am not aware of is, how to detect keypresses for all the applications in ubuntu.
[15:51] <rbasak> HokarPokar: you're probably looking for some API against X11 or one of the toolkits that wraps it. But you're offtopic here. Try Stack Overflow maybe?
[15:51] <rbasak> It won't be Ubuntu specific either - just specific to X probably.
[16:10] <xnox> HokarPokar:  sounds like you are trying to implement a keylogger
[16:11] <xnox> HokarPokar:  or look at other similar launchers, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Do or gnome-settings-daemon
[16:11] <xnox> HokarPokar:  cause one can setup a few keyboard shortcuts there. Study their source cod?
[16:11] <xnox> *code?
[16:13] <HokarPokar> xnox It does look like I'm implementing a key logger sort of thing. But the intention is different. I want to map certain sequences of key press events to commands.
[16:13] <HokarPokar> @xnox
[16:13] <udevbot> Error: "xnox" is not a valid command.
[16:14] <HokarPokar> xnox Can I share a question I just posted on stack overflow ? It has all the details. I hope that doesn't count as promotion
[16:22] <xnox> really don't care =) i don't work on graphical level stack
[16:44] <sarnold> HokarPokar: what's your question url? I can't spot it in the list of SO questions
[16:53] <seb128> vorlon, hey, unsure if you saw the ping earlier? I'm unsure what should happen to the network-manager i386 autopkgtest now that the kernel headers are not installable?
[16:53] <seb128> would welcome some help
[16:54] <vorlon> seb128: I thought Laney had already hinted it?
[16:54] <vorlon> seb128: I think we should add a permanent badtest hint for network-manager on i386, because running i386 as a host OS is no longer supported
[16:54] <seb128> vorlon, Laney said he hinted that version but was unsure what we were supposed to do
[16:55] <vorlon> seb128: and in fact this is the hint Laney already added
[16:55] <seb128> vorlon, k, so nothing to do from the source? I'm asking because I want to do an upload to include a bug fix, so I was wondering if I should do any change to the autopkgtest while I'm at it
[16:55] <vorlon> seb128: I don't think you should bother with sourceful changes
[16:56] <seb128> vorlon, k, wfm. L_aney reply this morning was "I'll do the hint for now, 	would be good to have an update and some advice on what to do in general"
[16:56] <vorlon> ack
[16:57] <seb128> vorlon, sounds like 'just hint those" is what is recommended then
[16:57] <vorlon> indeed
[16:57] <seb128> vorlon, thanks!
[16:57] <vorlon> and I'll write a longer answer to a mailing list later
[16:57] <seb128> great
[17:05] <seb128> vorlon, thx for the ubiquity review, I need someone to merge for me since I don't have commit rights to that vcs if you want also to do that step... ;)
[19:17] <fossfreedom> seb128: re alternative-toolbar - at some-point in this cycle gnome-shell or Ubuntu has changed this key from True to False https://lazka.github.io/pgi-docs/#Gtk-3.0/classes/Settings.html#Gtk.Settings.props.gtk_shell_shows_app_menu    - the plugin is relying on that to set the CSD header - it is defaulting to the compact toolbar instead. Two ways to solve this.  One: I could perhaps look instead for "GNOME" in the session
[19:17] <fossfreedom> environment variable - or alternatively the distro can force the modern toolbar via a gsettings override like this https://github.com/UbuntuBudgie/budgie-desktop-environment/blob/master/debian/budgie-desktop-environment.gsettings-override#L10
[20:59] <seb128> fossfreedom, thx


[12:25] <jdong> hi, Fujitsu :)
[12:25] <jdong> guess what I'm prodding you about today? ;-)
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Hi jdong... Oh dear, I've forgotten about that. I shall do it NOW!
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Sorry about taking such a long time :(
[12:25] <jdong> lol :)
[12:26] <jdong> don't sweat it
[12:26] <jdong> java6 rocks btw, it actually makes azureus feel natively fast :)
[12:26] <Fujitsu> java6?
[12:26] <jdong> and ram usage stays under 60MB now
[12:26] <jdong> (sun-java6-jre)
[12:26] <jdong> aka Sun Java 1.6.0
[12:26] <jdong> just uploaded to Fiesty today
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Ooh.
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Nice.
[12:26] <Fujitsu> Shiny.
[12:27] <jdong> yes shiny indeed
[12:35] <Fujitsu> So this is needed for both Dapper and Edgy?
[12:36] <tsmithe> oooh
[12:36] <tsmithe> java6!
[12:36] <tsmithe> is it in universe yet?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> I don't see java6 in the archive... Is it still in NEW?
[12:38] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[12:41] <LaserJock> hi Fujitsu
[12:56] <LaserJock> ajmitch: around?
[01:08] <jdong> Fujitsu / tsmithe: it's there. source pkg sun-java6
[01:09] <Fujitsu> Yeah, but the binaries haven't been published yet...
[01:09] <tsmithe> cool: universe?
[01:09] <Fujitsu> Or weren't 30 minutes ago.
[01:09] <jdong> that may be
[01:09] <jdong> I built them from source for edgy anyway :D
[01:09] <Fujitsu> azureus seems to be doing a grand total of... nothing when I try to start it.
[01:09] <Fujitsu> (with java5 or gcj)
[01:10] <Fujitsu> tsmithe, they're non-free, so I doubt it.
[01:10] <tsmithe> but the sources!
[01:11] <Fujitsu> It hath not been GPLed yet.
[01:12] <tsmithe> oh dear
[01:12] <tsmithe> i thought it had
[01:12] <tsmithe> sources are on the site, no?
[01:13] <Fujitsu> No.
[01:13] <Fujitsu> They have released the sources of phoneME (aka. J2ME), but not J2SE yet.
[01:14] <tsmithe> oh
[01:14] <tsmithe> darn
[01:25] <tsmithe> anyone except siretart up for revu'age?
[01:42] <Fujitsu> <IP_ADDRESS>repack1-0ubuntu1~proposed1
[01:48] <LaserJock> haha
[01:50] <jdong> Fujitsu: did you fix azureus yet?
[01:50] <jdong> Fujitsu: maybe that's why it isn't working :)
[01:51] <Fujitsu> It's test-building...
[01:51] <jdong> lol
[01:51] <jdong> I was commenting on your earlier comment of azureus doing diddly when launching :)
[01:51] <Fujitsu> It's strange, it aborts on Feisty with Sun Java (5 or 6)
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[01:51] <jdong> that kinda was the original problem ;-)
[01:51] <Fujitsu> Yet gij works fine...
[01:51] <jdong> that's another pseudo-bug
[01:51] <jdong> I've noticed...
[01:52] <jdong> some gij-compiled java things only execute with gij
[01:52] <jdong> yay for open source proprietary-ness :D
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[01:53] <LaserJock> hhmm, I'm not a big fan of SRU processing
[01:53] <LaserJock> how am I supposed to see the status of packages in -proposed
[01:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, 144 REVU uploads? I find that unlikely.
[01:59] <LaserJock> really?
[02:00] <LaserJock> some people upload like crazy
[02:00] <Fujitsu> There were actually that many!?
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Wow.
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Impressive.
[02:00] <LaserJock> 144 uploads *to* REVU
[02:02] <LaserJock> bbiab, dinner
[02:13] <tenshu> yeah the motu school worked pretty good, the ubuntu-fr-classroom project was a big succes
[02:14] <tenshu> thanks to gauvain
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Wow, we're up to date with science merges!
[02:17] <tenshu> grats
[02:17] <Fujitsu> Hm, except xmakemol... Darn.
[02:17] <tenshu> good night for those around GMT+1
[02:17] <tenshu> bye
[02:29] <grimeboy> Since icecast1 is deprecated to the extent that it doesn't receive bugfixes and is a bloated [self censorship]  should it not be removed from the repos?
[02:30] <grimeboy> What with icecast2 being fairly mature and much more simple.
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Is icecast1 the package name?
[02:30] <grimeboy> No icecast-server
[02:30] <grimeboy> icecast-server should be replace with icecast2
[02:31] <Fujitsu> icecast-server is still being actively maintained in Debian. They haven't seen fit to remove it...
[02:31] <grimeboy> So should I go to #debian-dev
[02:31] <grimeboy> ?
[02:31] <Fujitsu> No.
[02:32] <Fujitsu> Debian doesn't feel it is appropriate to remove, so it's unlikely to be ideal to remove it from Ubuntu either.
[02:32] <grimeboy> Um, or they haven't noticed that it is terrible and obsolete. This is coming from icecast developers.
[02:32] <grimeboy> (Not me)
[02:32] <grimeboy> I talked to one
[02:48] <Fujitsu> Autosync is switched off now, isn't it?
[02:54] <Q-FUNK> anybody who also happens to be a DD available to sponsor an upload?
[03:54] <Fujitsu> crimsun: around?
[04:01] <crimsun> hi
[04:01] <crimsun> (sorry, I have an email backlog of several thousand unread)
[04:02] <Fujitsu> Ouch.
[04:03] <Fujitsu> Well, just wondering about that xmakemol merge (it's the only actually outstanding science one). Why was it FTBFSing when building the GL version?
[04:04] <crimsun> GLw
[04:04] <crimsun> Debian ships an addition -dev package as part of the mesa source that Ubuntu doesn't
[04:04] <crimsun> additional
[04:05] <crimsun> cjwatson mentioned that it was due to lesstif not being in main, among a couple other issues
[04:06] <Fujitsu> Ah, terrific... I really don't like it how we've dropped features from a number of libraries because of things being in universe.
[04:06] <crimsun> yeah, it complicates things :/
[04:06] <Fujitsu> I've come across a few over the past couple of weeks :(
[04:07] <Fujitsu> Are you likely to remerge that in the near future, or can I steal it?
[04:18] <crimsun> Fujitsu: please feel free to take it
[04:18] <crimsun> I'll be in Hong Kong soon and away from Ubuntu until the new year#
[04:20] <Fujitsu> OK :)
[04:22] <Fujitsu> Why, StevenK?
[04:23] <StevenK> Because I add a bunch of files to burn, and it says the cache directory needs more space.
[04:30] <StevenK> And k3b refuses to deal with mp3 and wma
[06:46] <joejaxx> StevenK:
[06:46] <joejaxx> there is a package you have to install
[06:47] <joejaxx> libk3b2-mp3 - The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder
[08:28] <No1Viking> I have problems getting my PC, with Kubuntu, connected to my Wireless LAN. I know that it works without problems in Gnome. When trying to set WEP key and Hex it seems it does not save the data and I can't connect. Anywhere else I can put that data so it's permanent, and working, in the system?
[08:34] <minghua> No1Viking: support questions should be asked on #ubuntu channel, thanks
[08:35] <Hobbsee> hey minghua
[08:35] <minghua> hello Sarah
[11:22] <enyc> I really _would_ like to be pointed in the right direction for debugging help with non-universe packages....  -motu is not approprioate as this problem is a non-universe package -- https://launchpad.net/bugs/70098
[11:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70098 in cdrtools "mkisofs doesn't properly convert lower case filenames to upper case" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:25] <Amaranth> enyc: You could diff the two versions and see what changed
[11:25] <Amaranth> afaik mkisofs isn't a very actively developed thing so the diff shouldn't be big
[11:26] <tsmithe> jdong, so you say sun-java6 is in feisty?
[11:27] <enyc> Amaranth: diff dapper and edgy versions?
[11:28] <enyc> Amaranth: usinf debdiff on the .dsc along with the .diff.gz and the .tar.gz (may share the .tar.gz if same source ver)
[11:28] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:30] <enyc> Amaranth: ok ive not done this ot compare things... only to make my diff for the patch I have uploaded (https://launchpad.net/bugs/70098)
[11:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70098 in cdrtools "mkisofs doesn't properly convert lower case filenames to upper case" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:30] <enyc> err
[11:30] <enyc> arcgh
[11:32] <enyc> I meant https://launchpad.net/bugs/72602 ;-) -- is wher ihave built a debdiff -- have to get used to reading them
[11:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72602 in qpsmtpd "qpsmtpd should create /var/run/qpsmtpd in init.d (/var/run/ is tmpfs)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:40] <enyc> Amaranth: I have a 1.7mb debdiff ;-)
[11:40] <Amaranth> _ouch_
[11:40] <Amaranth> !info mkisofs dapper
[11:40] <ubotu> mkisofs: Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a01-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 508 kB, installed size 1280 kB
[11:40] <Amaranth> !info mkisofs edgy
[11:40] <ubotu> mkisofs: Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 533 kB, installed size 1316 kB
[11:41] <Amaranth> 2 alpha releases, a debian version, and 2 ubuntu versions difference
[11:41] <enyc> I see
[11:41] <enyc> I understand
[11:41] <Amaranth> doesn't sound like it'd be such a large change
[11:41] <enyc> Amaranth: bah! how annoying!
[11:43] <enyc> Amaranth: its such a bizarre regression... of one of the simplest things mkisofs is supposed to do as part of creating a simple iso level 1
[11:44] <enyc> Amaranth: and Im convintced its not a different default setting... ive really read all the command-help etc. bah!
[11:53] <enyc> Amaranth: erm ... do you think I sohuld start removing patches in the edgy version or try that debian source version with  ubuntu patches?
[11:53] <enyc> Amaranth: err...  without ubuntu patches
[11:53] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[11:56] <enyc> Amaranth: oh well... thanks for trynig to help ;-)
[11:57] <enyc> Amaranth: interestingly debian now uses 'genisoimage' fork of mkisofs!  also a new cdrocording program (wodim)
[11:58] <Amaranth> enyc: so does feisty
[12:07] <Adri2000> !seen geser
[12:07] <ubotu> I last saw geser<EMAIL_ADDRESS>12h 28m 24s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[12:16] <Adri2000> heya geser :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> hey Adri2000
[12:19] <Adri2000> hi Hobbsee
[12:21] <Adri2000> geser: libdjconsole 0.1.2 is in the archive http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libd/libdjconsole/
[12:29] <geser> Hi Adri2000
[12:46] <Adri2000> geser: can you upload djplay? :)
[12:47] <geser> yes
[12:49] <Adri2000> thanks
[01:01] <geser> Adri2000: uploaded
[01:03] <Adri2000> great
[02:07] <Adri2000> ajmitch: how come you are subscribed to my wiki page? :p
[03:22] <imbrandon> Adri2000, ajmitch is subscribed to them all
[03:22] <Adri2000> all the wiki? :-|
[03:22] <imbrandon> yes
[03:23] <Adri2000> whow
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: has an insane inbox
[03:23] <Yagisan> I'll bet
[03:26] <elkbuntu> lets face it, ajmitch is just insane, period.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:27] <Hobbsee> he did come to meet me, so he has to be pretty insane!
[03:30] <elkbuntu> hehe
[03:32] <Yagisan> er, I've met you too Hobbsee
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: true.  but you put up with me for less time, so probably arent so insane
[03:32] <elkbuntu> sorry Yagisan, you've just qualified yourself for insanity as well
[03:33] <Yagisan> woot
[03:58] <elkbuntu> merry christmas :)
[04:16] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:27] <chillywilly> barry has forked himself off ;)
[04:28] <bddebian2> Heh, Merry Christmas chillywilly! :-)
[06:39] <tenshu> yeah my first package has been uploaded in Feisty ! Best Xmas present so far :D
[06:43] <bddebian> Congrats and Merry Christmas :)
[06:44] <tenshu> =)
[06:44] <tenshu> merry christmas too
[06:54] <nixternal> bddebian: boo
[06:54] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[07:52] <joejaxx> is there a way to mirror the ubuntu archive other than debmirror?
[07:54] <ivoks> so... fwiw, ningi is released :)
[08:04] <lupine_85> joejaxx: wget if you're feeling brave?
[08:08] <cypherbios> joejaxx: aptoncd does it and put them all on an CD/DVD
[08:09] <joejaxx> lupine_85: lol
[08:09] <joejaxx> cypherbios: i actually want it on my hard drive
[08:09] <cypherbios> joejaxx: right, aptoncd does it
[08:10] <joejaxx> i thought you said cd/dvd
[08:10] <cypherbios> joejaxx: It's going for feisty http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3870
[08:11] <cypherbios> joejaxx: Yep, but before generate the .iso it'll to your hard drive
[08:12] <joejaxx> yeah
[08:12] <joejaxx> does it have resume like debmirror or wget -c?
[08:13] <cypherbios> joejaxx: yes, experimentally does :)
[08:14] <cypherbios> joejaxx: try building from source on revu http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3870, or at the subversion repository
[08:14] <cypherbios> joejaxx: https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/aptoncd/0.1 aptoncd-0.1
[08:14] <cypherbios> joejaxx: svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/aptoncd/0.1 aptoncd-0.1 :)
[08:15] <joejaxx> lol experimentally :)
[08:15] <joejaxx> cypherbios: i will but later when my laptop will have a chance to touch the desk
[08:15] <cypherbios> :)
[08:16] <cypherbios> joejaxx: the download repository is experimental, and under development yet, but already woks, principally if you will not put it on an media (but will keep on HD)
[08:30] <joejaxx> cypherbios: oh ok :)