[21:34] <genii-around> pooltable: I'm currently on another desktop so don't have access to the Software Center to guide you through it. But it's in there somewhere. Alternately: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list   and put a # in front of the line which wants the CD
[21:34] <reisio> emmy: how many sda's?
[21:34] <emmy> reisio 4
[21:34] <emmy> reisio 250 gb
[21:34] <RavenHursT> reisio: so you're saying boot up the install CD and then try to access that file via that RAM OS?
[21:34] <reisio> RavenHursT: try: mount -o remount,rw /
[21:35] <reisio> RavenHursT: you could, yes, but try that command above first
[21:36] <reisio> emmy: okay the exact numbers aren't important, but if you could say in hundreds/thousands/millions how many blocks each has
[21:36] <RavenHursT> reisio: warning maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended
[21:36] <reisio> emmy: and what the System column for each is
[21:36] <RavenHursT> reisio: re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[21:36] <reisio> RavenHursT: still can't mv the file?
[21:37] <RavenHursT> reisio: oh.. didn't know I was supposed to try again.. let me see... lol
[21:37] <emmy> reisio: sda 1 2000 209000000 105000000 7 hpfs/ntfs/exFAT   <== like that?
[21:37] <reisio> RavenHursT: it's just definitive
[21:37] <reisio> emmy: yeah, I only need a general idea of the Blocks value, and the System value
[21:37] <RavenHursT> reisio: yup.. that worked :-)  Now what?
[21:37] <reisio> RavenHursT: reboot, see if X works in any form
[21:37] <reisio> brbv
[21:38] <RavenHursT> reisio: just reb... ok
[21:38] <ycr> hello?? can someone help me with my problem of icons ?
[21:38] <Steak> Hey guys, my system just hung.  Was about to play a youtube video via flash in firefox.   Also running Live so I really don't want to restart.  Tried ctrl-alt backspace, ctrl-alt-del, and alt-f2, nothing happened with either
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> Steak: ALT+K+print screen
[21:41] <emmy> Sorry, reisio, here it is all together:  sda 1 105000000 hpfs/ntfs/exFAT, sda2 blocks 15700000 hidden W95 fat32, sda3 blocks 123000000 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT, sda4 blocks: 16384 EFI (FAT -12/16/32)
[21:42] <greenwicher> why cant i open more than one folder at same time? :S
[21:42] <reisio> Steak: you could try CTRL+ALT+F2, login, then killall firefox
[21:42] <reisio> Steak: or killall whatever pgrep -l fire says
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> Steak: you can re-enable CTRL+Alt+BackSpace in keyboard settings
[21:42] <reisio> that would kill your entire X
[21:42] <cebrere> ha i wonder if facebook has an irc server
[21:43] <RavenHursT> reisio: ok.. it booted.. thank GOD!  any idea how the hell I'm supposed to install this darn video driver w/o breaking the darn thing??
[21:43] <tensorpudding> greenwicher, in what
[21:43] <reisio> RavenHursT: you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia ?
[21:43] <ruser> can someone help me setup my dualboot, after i messed up the pratition table list, i finished recovering it and can mount ntfs, but can't boot into windows :/ any tips? os-probe doens't find anyhting
[21:43] <kamelot314> @STEAK : BTW, Install it on your HDD ;)
[21:43] <ewook> cebrere: kind of? add your 'friends' into bitlbee ^^
[21:43] <reisio> emmy: okay let's see...
[21:43] <Steak> Ok none of those things did anything
[21:43] <Steak> So I'm completely hung up then?
[21:44] <reisio> Steak: it could be some other process
[21:44] <reisio> Steak: if you can utilize the terminal at CTRL+ALT+F2, you are not _completely_ hung up
[21:44] <greenwicher> can i change the language of ubuntu after the installation?
[21:44] <reisio> emmy: any of those have a * under Boot?
[21:44] <cebrere> oh ha, right on
[21:44] <reisio> greenwicher: yes
[21:44] <emmy> reisio, if i've understood it right, the drive space numbers means it just hasn't installed anything or made any partitions
[21:45] <Steak>  No, i hit ctrl-alt-f2 and nothing happened, same with alt-k-prscr
[21:45] <emmy> reisio yes, sda1 *
[21:45] <RavenHursT> reisio: Yeah.. I don't think it's detecting the nvidia card correctly.. there's nothing other than "Oracle VM VirtualBox Guest Additions" under the "Additional Drivers"...
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> greenwicher: sure
[21:45] <reisio> Steak: CTRL+ALT+k+prtscrn?
[21:45] <chudapati09_> I'm having some issues setting up a mail server, is this the right channel to look for help?
[21:45] <Steak> Oh wait, we have some action
[21:46] <Jax> you guys know a FAST way to clone a ubuntu usb stick to 10 other sticks?
[21:46] <Steak> Just took a few min
[21:46] <reisio> Steak: :D
[21:46] <reisio> Jax: how big?
[21:46] <Jax> 4gb
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> greenwicher: you can run Language support and change it
[21:46] <llutz> chudapati09_: just ask and see
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> Jax: partimage or dd
[21:46] <reisio> Jax: the fastest would probably be to dd the mbr and cp the rest
[21:46] <reisio> Jax: the simplest would probably be just dd
[21:46] <RavenHursT> reisio: any idea how I can get Ubuntu to detect my video card correctly?
[21:46] <Jax> it just took like over an hour to create the image with dd
[21:47] <ycr> hello???? can someone help me with the problme of icons in gnome-shell
[21:47] <reisio> RavenHursT: did you read the link I gave?
[21:47] <ewook> chudapati09_:  I'd recommend #ubuntu-server for that.
[21:47] <Steak> Ok I'm dumped terminal, how do I boot up the gui again?
[21:47] <reisio> Jax: you probably aren't using bs/count right
[21:47] <Steak> Dumped to, rather
[21:47] <Jax> yes
[21:47] <reisio> Jax: but cp would probably be faster regardless
[21:47] <RavenHursT> reisio: yeah.. but it's telling me to click on things that aren't there :-(
[21:47] <Jax> i didn't know what to use
[21:47] <llutz> Jax: sudo cat /dev/sdX >image.dat  && sudo cat image.dat >/dev/newsticj
[21:47] <reisio> RavenHursT: okay
[21:47] <llutz> */dev/newstick
[21:48] <reisio> Steak: sudo service lightdm stop, then start, probably
[21:48] <Jax> how do i find out what the right bs/count settings are for a dd copy?
[21:48] <vademecum> Just booted a fresh 11.10 Lubuntu install to a grub rescue> prompt. What do I do now?
[21:48] <reisio> Steak: or you could try restart
[21:48] <Jax> llutz: hm.. what does a cat of a block device do?
[21:48] <RavenHursT> reisio: oh wait.. should I do sudo nvidia-xconfig again?
[21:48] <llutz> Jax: create a copy/image
[21:48] <chudapati09_> Okay, so I'm building a web server to host multiple websites. I got everything working except the mail server. I'm using linode to host my vps and I've been following their tutorials. Here is the link I've been following, http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-ubuntu-10.04-lucid
[21:48] <reisio> RavenHursT: you could, but don't reboot or leave the xorg.conf there if it's the same as the one you mv'd that didn't work
[21:49] <_ansgar_> I've got a problem with stunnel not listening on tcp4.
[21:49] <chudapati09_> I got up to the part where it tells me to restart dovecot
[21:49] <reisio> emmy: sorry, okay
[21:49] <chudapati09_> so I tried "service dovecot restart"
[21:49] <emmy> that's alright
[21:49] <llutz> Jax: definetly no need for slow dd to copy/clone usb-flashdrives
[21:49] <chudapati09_> But then I get this "restart: Unknown instance:"
[21:49] <emmy> reisio: might it be a good idea to try the install ubuntu from the desktop icon?
[21:50] <reisio> emmy: right there's basically two big partitions here, C and D
[21:50] <Jax> llutz: can i also do a cat /dev/sdX > my.img
[21:50] <reisio> emmy: yes if what you did installed anywhere, it must have been inside one of Windows' filesystems
[21:50] <llutz> chudapati09_: does "sudo service dovecot stop && sudo service dovecot start" work?
[21:50] <llutz> Jax: sure
[21:50] <reisio> emmy: which you seem to have indicated you didn't want
[21:50] <Jax> will the mbr get copied like that too
[21:50] <chudapati09_> llutz: i'm doing all this as root
[21:50] <Steak> reisio, thanks a lot, I'm back in
[21:50] <emmy> reisio: correct, if it did that how do I tell?
[21:50] <reisio> emmy: if you don't need D, you can install from the official Ubuntu media to that partition, probably sda3
[21:50] <llutz> chudapati09_: does "service dovecot stop && service dovecot start" work?
[21:50] <_ansgar_> i haven't found any settings in the config file to specify tcp6 or tcp4 but i can't connect to localhost on the specified port and sudo netstat -plant only shows stunnel4 in a listen state on tcp6
[21:51] <chudapati09_> I tried to start dovecot and it worked
[21:51] <chudapati09_> llutz: yes it did
[21:51] <reisio> emmy: I'm not really sure, you'd have to search your Windows filesystem for something
[21:51] <emmy> reisio, ok that sounds like a good plan
[21:51] <llutz> chudapati09_: check /etc/init/dovecot.conf
[21:51] <reisio> emmy: possibly the word 'ubuntu', I'm not sure what filename conventions wubi uses
[21:51] <chudapati09_> but then I did "service dovecot status"
[21:51] <vademecum> at the "grub rescue>" prompt. How do I boot this thing?
[21:51] <reisio> emmy: local mirror of media here: http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/
[21:51] <_ansgar_> is there something i'm missing?
[21:51] <chudapati09_> and I get this "dovecot stop/waiting"
[21:51] <Jax> reisio:  how would i figure out which bs/count/sync to use?
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> _ansgar_: if you add the boot option: ipv6.disable=1    does it help?
[21:51] <chudapati09_> llutz: what should I check for?
[21:51] <reisio> emmy: before you install to sda3 you should try mounting it to make sure it is in fact your empty D drive
[21:52] <emmy> reisio, thanks, so I'll close the terminal
[21:52] <_ansgar_> ActionParsnip, would that be an argument to grub?
[21:52] <emmy> ok
[21:52] <llutz> chudapati09_: you did install dovecot from repos?
[21:52] <reisio> emmy: sudo mkdir -p /mnt/foo && sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda3 /mnt/foo && ls /mnt/foo/
[21:52] <greenwicher> how can i change the language of my ubuntu?
[21:52] <emmy> reisio, how do I do that?
[21:52] <emmy> reisio, is the foo there actually a foo or do I have to put somethings?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> _ansgar_: sure, add it in /etc/default/grub with: quiet splash    then run:  sudo update-grub
[21:52] <emmy> -s
[21:52] <reisio> emmy: up to you
[21:52] <reisio> emmy: it will work as 'foo'
[21:52] <chudapati09_> llutz: yes, that was the first step in the tutorial: "apt-get install postfix postfix-mysql postfix-doc mysql-client mysql-server dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d postfix libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsasl2-modules-sql sasl2-bin libpam-mysql openssl telnet mailutils"
[21:52] <llutz> chudapati09_: you are on 11.*?
[21:53] <llutz> chudapati09_: check /var/log/dovecot* for errors
[21:53] <ruser> can someone help me setup my dualboot, after i messed up the pratition table list, i finished recovering it and can mount ntfs, but can't boot into windows :/ any tips? os-probe doens't find anyhting .  Q2: what's the boot info screet people are talking about?
[21:53] <reisio> greenwicher: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-help/session-language.html
[21:54] <chudapati09_> llutz: no file with dovecot in it exisit in the log folder
[21:55] <llutz> chudapati09_: grep  log_path /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
[21:55] <emmy> reisio, it said $recycle bin system volume information
[21:55] <reisio> emmy: sounds empty to me
[21:55] <_ansgar_> ActionParsnip, could it be under /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[21:55] <emmy> so I can go ahead and install?
[21:55] <reisio> emmy: your Windows OS might have been preconfigured to back stuff up to D:, though, to be nice you should disable that :D
[21:55] <reisio> emmy: yeah
[21:55] <ycr> hello i have a problem with the icons in gnome-shell-panel that are not displayed whre supouse to be an icon is just the black space but all the gnome-shell extensions are working just without icons can someone help me with this?
[21:56] <emmy> reisio, cool ok thanks
[21:56] <reisio> ycr: black squares?
[21:56] <_ansgar_> ActionParsnip, i'm running 11.10 but it's been installed for a long time. pre-dating grub2 apparently
[21:56] <chudapati09_> llutz: hmm... so it says the log file is in "/home/vmail/dovecot-deliver.log" but there is no folder vmail in home
[21:56] <m477> how to make computer sleep from terminal?
[21:57] <greenwicher> reisio:  when i click language support something opens and closes immediately. I cant choose the language tab at all
[21:57] <emmy> reisio, im going to take it downstairs to plug it in whilst it installs, is there anything else I need to know/do ?
[21:57] <reisio> m477: as in hibernate?
[21:57] <m477> yes
[21:57] <llutz> chudapati09_: check /var/log/daemon.log /var/log/syslog for dovecot related entries
[21:57] <reisio> emmy: not in general, just remember it's sda3 you want to format & install to, try to avoid touching the other partitions
[21:57] <abstrakt> how do I get my old GNOME back
[21:58] <Steak> reisio, was that $ sudo service gdm stop ?  Sorry couldn't remember whole line and my tablet can't scroll up here
[21:58] <primeministerp> question, is there a specific kernel deb to use if I want kvm to support vt-d on intel for 11.10?
[21:58] <ycr> reisio: yes black squares
[21:58] <reisio> abstrakt: http://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/ubuntu-11-10-fix-how-to-add-the-classic-desktop-and-gnome-3-shell-as-login-options/
[21:58] <reisio> Steak: it's probably lightdm now, not gdm
[21:58] <reisio> Steak: sudo service lightdm restart, or stop, then start
[21:58] <reisio> primeministerp: vt-d?
[21:58] <emmy> reisio, and will the dual boot option menu come up when I restart it, or will I have to do something with grub 2?
[21:58] <reisio> primeministerp: vt-x?
[21:59] <Steak> Ok thanks, back in business, reenabling ctrlaltbackspace now
[21:59] <reisio> emmy: it's suppose to come up
[21:59] <chudapati09_> llutz: daemon.log did not exisit, but in the syslog dovecot was found
[21:59] <primeministerp> reisio: yes vt-d
[21:59] <emmy> reisio, ok thanks! i'll pop back if anything goes wrong. thanks very much for your help :)
[21:59] <reisio> emmy: if it doesn't we can fix it from either OS
[21:59] <_ansgar_> ActionParsnip, thanks for the help. grub updated and rebooting
[21:59] <emmy> reisio, fantastic, thanks
[21:59] <reisio> primeministerp: ah, vt-d
[21:59] <primeministerp> reisio: I'm trying to pass a pci device
[22:00] <primeministerp> reisio: I was able to get it to work on the same hardware, a different distro w/ xen
[22:00] <Untitled_only> sup room
[22:00] <primeministerp> reisio: trying to do the same w/ kvm on 11.10
[22:00] <reisio> primeministerp: perhaps diffing the kvm -version output would be informative
[22:00] <reisio> Untitled_only: suppah
[22:01] <ycr> reisio: my problem started when i change the icon theme but after i change again for the default icon theme but didnt work
[22:01] <reisio> ycr: hrmmm
[22:01] <primeministerp> reisio: QEMU emulator version 0.14.1 (qemu-kvm-0.14.1)
[22:02] <Jinxed-> does ubuntu have drivers for serial 485?
[22:02] <llutz> chudapati09_: i have to go now. check the logs, you'd check the config and maybe the upstart-script /etc/init/dovecot*
[22:02] <reisio> ycr: if you made another user and logged in and the icons were fine, it would indicate that something in your ~/. config files has been corrupted
[22:02] <reisio> primeministerp: awe it doesn't say what it was built with?
[22:02] <Untitled_only> reisio: has there been alot of traffic today?
[22:02] <reisio> Jinxed-: has the same drivers all distros have
[22:02] <reisio> Untitled_only: mmmm, 'bout the usual I'd say
[22:02] <chudapati09_> llutz: okay thanks
[22:02] <Untitled_only> kool.
[22:03] <reisio> like cigarettes, yes
[22:03] <abstrakt> anyone know why Ubuntu 11.10 is slower than fedora 16?
[22:03] <abstrakt> do you think it's Unity? or the kernel?
[22:03] <Jinxed-> is that a yes?
[22:03] <reisio> abstrakt: same video driver?
[22:04] <ruser> can someone help me dualboot  (to windows) after a partition table recovery?  os-prober doesn't find anything
[22:04] <reisio> Jinxed-: it's sort of a "don't cross post"
[22:04] <abstrakt> reisio, yes - no video driver, well, no accelerated one
[22:04] <ratcheer> abstrakt: There is a performance comparison on The H
[22:04] <reisio> abstrakt: either the same or they aren't
[22:04] <Untitled_only> ruser: what dualboot program are you using?
[22:04] <abstrakt> ratcheer, on the what?
[22:04] <Jinxed-> cross post?
[22:05] <abstrakt> reisio, anyway, I don't see why gfx driver should cause Firefox to launch slower on Ubuntu than on Fedora
[22:05] <reisio> Jinxed-: you've been talking about this in ##linux
[22:05] <reisio> abstrakt: this is the same hardware?
[22:05] <ruser> Untitled_only: i believe i'm lgacy grub 0.97
[22:05] <Untitled_only> have you checked the forums yet?
[22:05] <ruser> Untitled_only: yeah, nothing useful :/
[22:05] <ratcheer> abstrakt: http://www.h-online.com/open/, but that is not where I actually saw it. The comparison is on Phoronix, I think.
[22:06] <Untitled_only> let me check.. brb
[22:06] <abstrakt> ratcheer, uhh, link please? I would rather take it from you rather than hope that I found the same link you did :)
[22:06] <ratcheer> abstrakt: Here it is - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora16_ubu1110_perf&num=5
[22:06] <abstrakt> ratcheer, awesome thanks
[22:07] <Untitled_only> ruser: are you using the GPT?
[22:07] <ruser> Untitled_only: what's gpt?
[22:07] <emmy> reisio, do I need to unmount the partition before I install? I've got a yes/no dialogue box
[22:07] <MaynardWaters> hello, i have an ftp server set up and i tried to put a symlink in there to another folder, but when i view the ftp directory from a windows machine, the link shows up as a file, and does not redirect corretly, any ideas how to fix?
[22:07] <reisio> emmy: you should, yes
[22:07] <emmy> reisio, cheers :)
[22:08] <reisio> emmy: didn't think of that
[22:08] <Untitled_only> http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html- you might find something
[22:08] <_jason> MaynardWaters: probably a configuration option in the server
[22:08] <ratcheer> ruser: gpt info - http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/index.html
[22:08] <MaynardWaters> _jason: been through the config file 2-3 times, but ill go back and check again
[22:08] <_jason> MaynardWaters: you should mention the ftp server in your question
[22:08] <MaynardWaters> its vsftpd
[22:09] <MaynardWaters> I dont think it should matter but both the ftp directory and the directory i am trying to symlink to are on an raid array that is on the os drive
[22:09] <ruser> Untitled_only: i'm not sure how is this relevant
[22:09] <Untitled_only> ruser: have you compiled you bootloader
[22:10] <MaynardWaters> not on the OS drive*
[22:10] <ruser> Untitled_only: nope, it's from packages
[22:10] <arye_> אם יש למישהו זמן
[22:10] <arye_> אשמח לעזרה קטנה
[22:10] <FloodBot1> arye_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:10] <arye_> בנוגע למחיצה שמחקתי
[22:10] <ruser> Untitled_only:  Version: 0.97-29ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[22:11] <Untitled_only> GRUB Legacy—This boot loader is normally BIOS-only; however, Fedora Linux ships with a heavily modified version that works on EFI. In my experience, this modified version is more reliable than GRUB 2.
[22:11] <Untitled_only> GRUB 2—This boot loader can be compiled for either BIOS or EFI systems. In my opinion, it's overly complex and its reliability suffers as a result. OTOH, it's very flexible, with the ability to redirect the boot process to another boot loader as well as to directly load Linux, FreeBSD, OS X, and other OS kernels. (I've not tested its ability to directly boot FreeBSD on an EFI-based system, though.)
[22:11] <shomon> nepali?
[22:11] <shomon> Hi, I have video playing at double speed with no sound on flash and all video and audio players. I thought I should turn off Manhattan HDMI audio - but I'm running lubuntu: what is the package I need so as to have a system->preferences->sound -> hardware - I currently only have system->preferences - I've also tried installing libsdl1.2debian-all but it didn't seem to make a difference
[22:11] <shomon> hi
[22:11] <_jason> MaynardWaters: googling "vftpd symlinks" gives interesting results
[22:11] <reisio> arye_: #ubuntu-il ?
[22:11] <emmy> reisio, ive got the same options as before "inside windows, instead of windows, or something else - ie with partitions" shall I try to do the partitions one?
[22:12] <docmur> how do I enable SSL2 from OpenSSL back on Ubuntu, I tried compiling from source but that didn't work
[22:12] <reisio> emmy: are you still using that same media from before?
[22:12] <reisio> emmy: you should probably grab an image from http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/11.10/
[22:12] <emmy> reisio yes, that's how I got into the live session
[22:12] <reisio> emmy: and re-image your USB stick from windows
[22:12] <ruser> Untitled_only: this used to dual boot no problem but i had to recover the partition table. which broke the boot process, while i still can read the partition and files.  re-installing is not really an option i'm willing to consider at the moment
[22:12] <bastidrazor>  /w 3
[22:12] <reisio> emmy: what model is the computer?
[22:12] <emmy> reisio, ok, how do I reimage the stick? since I did it with that lili program
[22:13] <emmy> reisio eee pc 1015
[22:13] <Untitled_only> you may have to re-install... sorry
[22:13] <reisio> emmy: grab the app unetbootin from http://unetbootin.sf.net/
[22:13] <MaynardWaters> _jason: thanks looks like i was searching down the wrong path until you redirected me.
[22:13] <ruser> Untitled_only: i used to use lilo a while, but than was told to upgrade which i did
[22:13] <ruser> Untitled_only: but that again was a number of years ago
[22:13] <mikeyfbi> a
[22:13] <emmy> reisio, ok thanks
[22:13] <reisio> emmy: it has an option to use an iso
[22:13] <reisio> emmy: download http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/11.10/ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso and point it at it
[22:14] <hasufell> does any1 know how to use dbus-send to pull a certain window to the foreground?
[22:14] <ruser> Untitled_only: fine i understand, but i'd rather go through the motions of everything else before i consider tha option.
[22:14] <mikeyfbi> trying to get btnx to see my mx revolution - but when I go to detect the mouse nothing happens and i get a terminal error of "Warning: no valid pipes from pid: 4529"
[22:14] <Untitled_only> ruser: I'm going to keep looking for more info.
[22:14] <reisio> emmy: actually if you still have that livecd loaded, run grp ' lm' /proc/cpuinfo to make sure it's a 64-bit processor
[22:15] <greenwicher> when i click language support something opens and closes immediately. I cant choose the language tab at all. What's wrong?
[22:15] <reisio> emmy: grep ' lm' /proc/cpuinfo
[22:15] <reisio> typo
[22:15] <ycr> reisio: i made another user session and i have exactly the same problem
[22:15] <reisio> ycr: okay, well that rules out a config problem in ~/ :p
[22:16] <primeministerp> reisi: I think it may be because CONFIG_DMAR_DEFAULT_ON is not enabled in the image-server kernel
[22:16] <reisio> primeministerp: good sleuthing
[22:16] <emmy> reisio, just loads of random writing
[22:16] <mikeyfbi> anyone have knowledge of btnx?  can't detect my mx revolution ... stalls and gives me "Warning: no valid pipes from pid: 4529"
[22:16] <DETERMINOLOGY> I have windows 7 and ubuntu in dual boot..How do i go about del the ubuntu parition and fixxing the bootloader back to win 7
[22:17] <pp7> you dont
[22:17] <pp7> :P
[22:17] <primeministerp> reisio: do you know if the image-generic has that enabled?
[22:17] <ruser> DETERMINOLOGY: do you ming having tthe grub upfront?  tun  sudo os-prober and follow that by sudo update-grub
[22:17] <ruser> s/tun/run/
[22:17] <_jason> mikeyfbi: why even bother with it?
[22:18] <ruser> DETERMINOLOGY: wait hold on, you are just tring to leave one bootloader?
[22:18] <greenwicher> why when i doubleclick Language Support the popup automatically closes. I can't change the language!
[22:18] <ycr> reisio: lol  when i change the icon theme i delete all the icons that i was not using but then i had a lot of problems so i started reinstaling icons-theme from synaptic but my problem was fixed for many applications like rhythmbox but still not for the gnome-panel
[22:19] <mikeyfbi> _jason, need to make my extra buttons work
[22:19] <DETERMINOLOGY> ruser Im trying to get rid of ubuntu and keep windows 7..Atm when i stat the pc it asks me do i want to pick either win7/ubuntu
[22:19] <_jason> mikeyfbi: you don't need btnx for that, all my buttons work
[22:19] <Brixius> I have a server I installed a while ago and now need to install a new package, however as it's jaunty, the packages are not available as it is apparently End of Support. Also it looks like I can't even do an upgrade to the latest LTS, as the intermediate releases are not available.  Seems rather short sited on Ubuntu's part, shouldn't there be packages to upgrade at a minimum to the current LTS from all versions released after the previous L
[22:19] <Untitled_only> DETERMINOLOGY: just re-install windows 7 over the ubuntu partion...
[22:19] <mikeyfbi> _jason, where/how do you configure them for things like "ctrl-w"
[22:19] <ruser> DETERMINOLOGY: you just run fdisk  /mbr in windows than, that would replace the bootloader
[22:20] <Untitled_only> format your harddrive
[22:20] <ruser> Untitled_only: you realize that "just"  re-installing is not always an option, rihgt? :)
[22:20] <_jason> mikeyfbi: use xbindkeys or imwheel for that
[22:20] <_ansgar_> does anyone use pan newsreader?
[22:20] <DETERMINOLOGY> I really dont want to reformat
[22:20] <mikeyfbi> _jason, thx i'll check em out
[22:20] <ruser> Untitled_only:  he can remove the grub and resize the partition
[22:20] <Untitled_only> yes, but its faster
[22:20] <genii-around> Brixius: Change repo names from something like us.archive.ubuntu.com   to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[22:20] <Brixius> DETERMINOLOGY: boot your install cd to recovery mode, and check boot environment.
[22:20] <Untitled_only> use gparted partion editor
[22:21] <abstrakt> how do I use a hotkey to switch between workspaces in XFCE
[22:21] <ruser> Untitled_only: it might be faster for you, but if you have a tonn of stuff installed it might not
[22:21] <ruser> Untitled_only: btw, do you know if     Boot files/dirs:   /boot.ini /ntldr /NTDETECT.COM are mandatory to boot winxp?
[22:21] <greenwicher> is there a way i can open language support from terminal? i need to change the language of my ubuntu but i cant open language support
[22:21] <Brixius> genii-around: I'll give that a try
[22:21] <DETERMINOLOGY> thanks
[22:21] <_ansgar_> for some reason pan isn't connecting to the news server. at first i thought it was an stunnel4 issue, but i got that working with knode. then i tried pan without stunnel directly to the plain news server and it won't connect there either. the status just says: connecting
[22:22] <_ansgar_> i've tried removing the .pan2 directory and reinstalling pan but i get the same result
[22:22] <reisio> emmy: that means it matched something
[22:22] <_jason> greenwicher: install the appropriate language-pack file I believe
[22:22] <reisio> emmy: good to go, grab that amd64 image I linked to
[22:23] <reisio> emmy: use unetbootin to put it onto your USB stick
[22:23] <reisio> emmy: boot up, install to sda3
[22:23] <shomon> hmm, now videos play normal speed, but I can't get any audio.. Do I need an alsa driver?
[22:23] <ycr> reisio: any idea of how to fix my problem
[22:23] <ruser> shomon: did you have audio before?
[22:24] <reisio> ycr: find out what the default icon theme is, make sure it's enabled as the icon theme to be used, reinstall it if required
[22:26] <Untitled_only> sorry peps, hate @ people knocking at my door
[22:27] <greenwicher> _jason: i installed it but now, how do i chose it as default?
[22:27] <greenwicher> choose*
[22:28] <ycr> reisio: yes i did all icons in the system work perfect but not in the panel even if im changing one by one the themes and reloading the shell
[22:29] <Brixius> genii-around: that appears to work, I appreciate the help. for a bit, I was contemplating switching from ubuntu if I had to install from scratch.
[22:30] <genii-around> Brixius: Your problem after that will be.. Karmic is also now EOL, upgrading to that might be problemmatic
[22:30] <_jason> greenwicher: users can just choose it at login.  LANG used to be set in /etc/environment but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.  It might be /etc/default/locale .  There may also be some command to modify that in a "nicer" way
[22:30] <reisio> ycr: not sure what would explain that, except possibly your graphics memory going bad
[22:30] <reisio> ycr: but it could just be a simple lib that needs rebuilding/replacement
[22:30] <greenwicher> _jason: ill logout then
[22:30] <greenwicher> brb
[22:30] <ugglaa> someone got answer to this? I made a script that lists all files in the current directory. Now I want to only show files that matches with argument 1 on command line via "$1". cant get it to work thought. Anyone got any info on how I should script that?
[22:31] <reisio> ugglaa: | grep "$i" ?
[22:31] <reisio> s/i/1/
[22:31] <hikenboot> I have decided to go with Ubuntu for working with Xen or KVM..which does it now support?and what is its management interface?
[22:32] <RavenHursT> can someone PLEASE give me some help w/ this: http://pastebin.com/LV4JYp0K  I've been trying to get OpenGL to work in 11.10 in a vbox VM now for two days and it's driving me mad
[22:33] <reisio> hikenboot: kvm will be simpler, but your processor must have vt-x or amd-v
[22:33] <reisio> hikenboot: the interface is called virt-manager
[22:33] <reisio> RavenHursT: I'm not sure there's any reason to think VirtualBox would support opengl
[22:33] <reisio> RavenHursT: #vbox would know for sure
[22:33] <ugglaa> reisio: what do you mean with s/i/1
[22:34] <RavenHursT> reisio: ok.. I'll try there..
[22:34] <reisio> ugglaa: I used "$i" in my response, but you were using "$1", it's a correction shorthand based on sed/etc.
[22:34] <ugglaa> but $1 is a built in variable for "argument 1" right??
[22:34] <ugglaa> $0 is command
[22:35] <reisio> ...hence why I corrected what I said?
[22:35] <ugglaa> aha.. lol sorr
[22:36] <ugglaa> ok I'll try with grep
[22:37] <zacarias> still looking for an omioutliner equivalent in Ubuntu
[22:37] <ugglaa> reisio: thanks a alot, searched for solution so many hours for that today
[22:38] <haled> I'm using 11.10 as a live usb disk but lightdm looks scrambled. what can I do?
[22:38] <reisio> ugglaa: np, glad it worked(?)
[22:40] <ugglaa> yeah it did, i had like 100 different tips on how to do just a simple thing and I couldnt get it right, lost much of my hair today
[22:41] <galvez> I made some updates using the update manager and I can´t access to ubuntu no more.. grub screen changed and does not accept my login name and password..Does anyone knows how to solve it? Could you guys help me? Thanks..
[22:41] <reisio> ugglaa: might be worth /join'ing #bash and actually learning it sometime :D
[22:41] <reisio> not that I have :p
[22:42] <mikeyfbi> how would i add a keyboard command 'CTRL + T' to the "enable commands" of compiz
[22:42] <perlstein> is there a simple tool for setting up PXE booting for oneiric?
[22:43] <nina> hey guys!
[22:43] <iceroot> perlstein: only the bios
[22:44] <Untitled_only> mikeyfbi:Genernal/ commands
[22:44] <perlstein> no i mean like
[22:44] <Untitled_only> compiz config settings manager
[22:44] <perlstein> some package to install that sets up a PXE _server_
[22:44] <mikeyfbi> Untitled_only, sorry?
[22:44] <iceroot> !pxe | perlstein
[22:44] <perlstein> to install oneiric to PXE booting machines
[22:45] <ugglaa> reisio: hehe, im trying! and now if I wanted to instead of print the files normally, I want to do md5sum and show results on the screen.. sudo md5sum "$file" | echo "$file";?
[22:45] <CarlFK> perlstein: https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/tree/master/setup/pxe
[22:45] <Untitled_only> compiz config manager/ general/commands
[22:46] <Untitled_only> creat a new command...
[22:46] <Untitled_only> create a new command
[22:47] <mikeyfbi> how can i learn what a command is tho? :) Untitled_only
[22:47] <sarthor> how to know how many folders are shared on my pc. and how to disable that all ?
[22:47] <mikeyfbi> i need to find out how to send "Control + T"
[22:47] <nina> i did ubuntu upgrade about week ago, and now i can't watch videos on websites, does anyone could help me?
[22:48] <ratcheer> nina: You probably need to install Flash, but that is just a guess.
[22:48] <CarlFK> perlstein: about the day I finished that I discovered http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html  which is a dhcp/ddns server that is much easier to configure than isc-dhcp-server + bind9.
[22:48] <nina> i did it already
[22:49] <ratcheer> nina: Oh, ok. Not sure, then.
[22:49] <CarlFK> nina: do\ youtube vids play?
[22:50] <nina> yes, but not redtube :-)
[22:52] <reisio> ugglaa: md5sum prints the files by default, IIRC
[22:53] <fabulousdb> nina: I had the same problem and I switched to chromium web browser now everything works
[22:54] <kontagious> hey my battery notification icon keeps disappearing in ubuntu 11.10. what command in terminal do i use to enable it again in system notification tray?
[22:55] <nina> fabulousdb: i want to stay with my mozilla, maybe somehow i fix it
[22:55] <rattlerdok> I get this error: A problem occurred when checking the updates. And when i try to do an apt-get update i get: Type "deb" is not known on line 57 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list, and the list of sources could not be read
[22:55] <sarthor> how to know how many folders are shared on my pc. and how to disable that all ?
[22:56] <fabulousdb> I tried everything including a manual install of the flash binary and nothing worked
[22:57] <fabulousdb> so I switched to chromium and life is easy
[22:58] <reisio> fabulousdb: yay
[22:58] <ugglaa> if I want to print the result of an installation in a script.. is it if " >0 " ? or something similar
[22:58] <nina> now i'm trying manual :-)
[22:59] <Virus1001> hi
[22:59] <reisio> hi Virus1001
[22:59] <rattlerdok> I get this error: A problem occurred when checking the updates. And when i try to do an apt-get update i get: Type "deb" is not known on line 57 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list, and the list of sources could not be read. How can i solve this issue? i cant upgrade nor update now :S
[22:59] <guner34> ugglaa, to what do you want to print it?
[23:00] <guner34> rattlerdok, did you run "sudo apt-get install -f" already>
[23:00] <cyberpala> hello
[23:00] <cyberpala> quit
[23:00] <rattlerdok> guner34:  yes
[23:00] <reisio> hi cyberpala
[23:01] <cyberpala> exit
[23:01] <cyberpala> exit
[23:01] <cyberpala> quit
[23:01] <ugglaa> guner34 to the screen, as an echo
[23:02] <ugglaa> if installation result ends in greater than 0, print sucess and if less than 1 print error
[23:02] <nina> i really don't get it: i upgraded ubuntu, bought faster internet, and now everything works like shit..ehh
[23:02] <rattlerdok> guner34: that lets me upgrade but not update
[23:02] <guner34> rattlerdok, then do this "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[23:02] <guner34> and look for line 54
[23:03] <WerbDerver> nina: what version are you using?
[23:04] <guner34> ugglaa, it depends on what the script file does exactly
[23:04] <guner34> rattlerdok, oh, Im sorry, I meant line 57
[23:04] <nina> 10.04 -computer info
[23:04] <nina> but i think it's higher
[23:04] <ugglaa> its a script that installs ssh server and if it fails, it should print fail etc...
[23:05] <ugglaa> I have the command sudo apt-get install inside it
[23:05] <WerbDerver> you can just view the about ubuntu under the System button to tell you your version
[23:06] <rattlerdok> guner34: solved, thanks
[23:06] <l1nuxman> can you take a id_rsa.pub file and just copy it from a different linux install to another one and it should work?
[23:06] <WerbDerver> I find the running 10.04 is faster for my pc at home but at work I use Natty Narwhal
[23:06] <nina> yes, i check there
[23:06] <WerbDerver> l1nuxman: I don't think so
[23:06] <l1nuxman> WerbDerver, why not?
[23:06] <guner34> ugglaa, ask the question in #bash
[23:07] <WerbDerver> l1nuxman: isn't the string generated using your individual machine's name?
[23:07] <guner34> ugglaa, they helped me the last time I asked a similar question
[23:07] <nina> i did upgrade automatically from linux page
[23:08] <tmg> l1nuxman: you can copy rsa keys but you never NEVER WANT to copy your priv key anywhere... with pub one it is ok
[23:08] <nina> oh i've got natty narwahl, it was better
[23:08] <ugglaa> ok thanks
[23:08] <Virus1001> Hi all
[23:09] <rattlerdok> i added a launcher on my desktop, i edited it and changed its icon, but, despite gnome-desktop-item-edit shows the right icon, when i'm on the desktop i get a default one. I edited the launcher removing wrong Icon= lines, but now it should just show the right one..any idea of what could be wrong? why have they remove the add launcher button from earlier versions?
[23:11] <guner34> rattlerdok, did you try logging out and in again?
[23:11] <rattlerdok> guner34: yes, i even rebooted
[23:12] <trism> rattlerdok: can you pastebin the .desktop file?
[23:12] <balistic22> i have a question reguarding a triple boot for a macbook pro
[23:13] <Untitled_only> sorry peps, had to make dinner
[23:13] <guner34> rattlerdok, it would help if you did what trism asked
[23:13] <Untitled_only> -_-
[23:14] <balistic22> Hi, I am tryiing to install ubuntu on my macbook pro currently dual booted with win 7 and Lion. I am trying to install ubuntu 11.10 32bit. I have partitioned the drives but the install cd will not allow me to install
[23:14] <reisio> why 32-bit
[23:14] <clear> have you checked the install cd to make sure its burned right?
[23:14] <clear> md5 check
[23:14] <balistic22> yes i have done md5 checks
[23:14] <nixxofugi> i'm trying to use nautilus to connect to an ssh server protected with key encryption
[23:14] <nixxofugi> http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/11/how-to-access-remote-machine-using-ssh.html
[23:14] <rattlerdok> trism http://pastebin.com/2GFuCZRH
[23:14] <balistic22> 32 bit because most online tutorials have said to do 32 bits
[23:14] <nixxofugi> it's won't allow me to log in
[23:15] <balistic22> install
[23:15] <nixxofugi> can you help me please?
[23:15] <rattlerdok> trism xamppico is the right icon
[23:15] <guner34> rattlerdok, its *not* a good idea to have "sudo /opt/lampp/lampp start" as an icon
[23:15] <guner34> :/
[23:15] <balistic22> clear,reisio, i am currently on initramfs: unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[23:16] <rattlerdok> guner34: i know but ive been trying for hours to make the xampp control panel work and it says im missing libraries and other stuff... so i just wanted to start it myself without having to remember the path :p
[23:17] <balistic22> Hi, I am tryiing to install ubuntu on my macbook pro currently dual booted with win 7 and Lion. I am trying to install ubuntu 11.10 32bit. I have partitioned the drives but the install cd will not allow me to install
[23:17] <trism> rattlerdok: is it just showing the default launcher icon? if so, where did you put the icon?
[23:18] <trism> rattlerdok: you may have better luck using an absolute path if it isn't in a standard location
[23:18] <balistic22> :-(
[23:18] <ycr> my gnome shell panel is not displaying icons just a black square but is working
[23:19] <rattlerdok> trism if the default icon is a rhombus then yes, and i placed it in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps
[23:19] <nixxofugi> anyone familiar with ssh and nautilis??
[23:19] <nixxofugi> nautilus*
[23:19] <guner34> rattlerdok, use the absolute path then
[23:20] <guner34> rattlerdok, i.e. Icon[ca_ES]=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/xamppico
[23:20] <flopex> nixxofugi: what is your question?
[23:20] <trism> rattlerdok: you may need to run : sudo gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor;
[23:20] <nixxofugi> flopex: i'm trying to connect to an ssh server using nautilus and ssh keys
[23:21] <nixxofugi> i can't get it to work. keys are all set up. just can't use nautilus for access
[23:21] <guner34> nixxofugi, do you want to access files on the other machine?
[23:21] <rattlerdok> guner34: trism won't work :|
[23:21] <nixxofugi> guner34: yes sir
[23:21] <flopex> nixxofugi: open up an folder and click File>Connect to Server> select SSH and enter your login information
[23:22] <pooltable> help in am update my computer and it ask this but i am useing just ubuntu Xubuntu 11.10 _Oneiric Ocelot_ - Release i386 (20111012)' is required
[23:22] <nixxofugi> flopex: this will not allow me to use my ssh keys though
[23:22] <pooltable> what do i need to change?
[23:22] <guner34> nixxofugi, I use FileZilla for that myself
[23:22] <guner34> nixxofugi, might give it a try
[23:23] <ycr> my gnome shell panel is not displaying icons just a black square but is working
[23:23] <rattlerdok> guner34: trism i tried removing that [ca_ES] (because i no longer have ubuntu in that language) and now the icon changed into a white page, any idea?
[23:23] <terran4000> hey, does anyone know how to get the creative x-fi titanium working with the latest 11.04 kernel update (2.6.38-13-generic)? Sadly the audo-dev/ppa group is pretty much dead and not updating anything.
[23:23] <mbeierl> what's the command line (ssh) command for distribution upgrades again?
[23:24] <mbeierl> ie: nox.
[23:24] <guner34> rattlerdok, what is the path to the icon file?
[23:24] <Jax> hi
[23:24] <terran4000> mbeierl, you mean: > sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[23:24] <terran4000> mbeierl, ?
[23:24] <guner34> mbeierl, something like "sudo apt-get - u dist-upgrade"
[23:24] <mbeierl> terran4000: I think so!
[23:24] <Jax> i need to run an apt-get install <some packages> on like 10 boxes. is there a way to get apt-get install to read from a file
[23:24] <guner34> ah, terran beat me to it
[23:24] <mbeierl> thanks guner34
[23:24] <rattlerdok> guner34: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/xamppico
[23:24] <ycr> my gnome shell panel is not displaying icons just a black square but is working
[23:25] <paulotruta> from a bash script! :P
[23:25] <genii-around> !info apt-proxy | jax
[23:25] <terran4000> Jax, > sudo apt-get install | cat file.txt
[23:25] <spoq> hey, i got a question
[23:25] <mbeierl> terran4000, guner34: odd.  It's saying nothing to do (0/0/0)
[23:25]  * genii-around smacks the bot
[23:26] <spoq> when i type "who" in terminal i receive that there are two clients logged in the system name     tty7         2011-11-29 16:27 (:0)
[23:26] <mbeierl> terran4000:  ah: sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:26] <spoq> name     pts/0        2011-11-29 23:25 (:0.0)
[23:26] <terran4000> mbeierl, either there is nothing to update, or you didn't do > sudo apt-get update     first
[23:26] <genii-around> !info approx
[23:26] <spoq> is that normal?
[23:26] <terran4000> mbeierl, ooo, 'that' evil command :D sorry for the mistake sir. ;)
[23:26] <trism> mbeierl: between ubuntu versions? because apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't do that; that would be do-release-upgrade
[23:26] <ycr> my gnome shell panel is not displaying icons just a black square but is working
[23:26] <mbeierl> terran4000, trism: sorry should have been more clear. yes natty -> oneric :)
[23:27] <nina> is it normal that my password after command su doesn't work?
[23:27] <trism> mbeierl: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OneiricUpgrades
[23:27] <mbeierl> "that" distribution upgrade...
[23:27] <_jason> nina: yes
[23:27] <_jason> !root | nina
[23:27] <guner34> nina: use sudo -i
[23:28] <trism> mbeierl: oops sorry, didn't see you had already solved it
[23:28] <nina> thanks
[23:29] <nina> i tried to upgrade java and that was the command from java page
[23:29] <rattlerdok> guner34: trism do you suggest me to place the icon somewhere else?
[23:29] <joshua__> I'm having an issue keeping Ubuntu 11.10 connected to the internet.  If it sits long enough to go into standby mode, I am disconnected from the wireless access point, and cannot reconnect.  Ideas?
[23:30] <Untitled_only> im back... I can focus now.
[23:30] <pooltable> help i do not see Software Sources. where is it ??
[23:30] <guner34> rattlerdok, give it a try
[23:30] <rattlerdok> guner34: i tried in a temp folder but wont work
[23:30] <guner34> nina, lots of times "su" gets mentioned as a way to become root
[23:30] <guner34> nina, but in ubuntu you have to use "sudo -i"
[23:31] <Untitled_only> there the same
[23:31] <ycr> my gnome shell panel is not displaying icons just a black square but is working just no icons at all
[23:31] <guner34> nina, or you can just use "sudo" everytime
[23:31] <trism> rattlerdok: you probably need the extension with the absolute path
[23:31] <Untitled_only> they are the same
[23:31] <observation> Ubuntu just installed thunderbird as part of a "security update"
[23:31] <rattlerdok> trism: ah
[23:31] <pooltable> got it sorry
[23:31] <guner34> hahaha, great point there trism
[23:32] <guner34> rattlerdok, Linux/Ubuntu never hides the extension of a file (and it should always be mentioned in programs/commands)
[23:33] <observation> Nevermind, thunderbird has always been there. My mistake!
[23:33] <terran4000> Anyone know when the "Audio-dev/ppa" will update to include Oneric OR update to include the latest kernel from 11.04/natty?
[23:34] <guner34> terran4000, any reason not to try upgrading to 11.10 ?
[23:34] <l1nuxman> how can I view the real size of a folder on command line because ls -l only shows them as 4096
[23:34] <terran4000> guner34, alsa is still broken in 11.10 and thus upgrading to it will NOT get my sound card to work.
[23:35] <notaHacker> I'm trying to install bluediving to play with my phone...and it is making my brain hurt. Can anybody help me?
[23:35] <terran4000> It USED to work, until the latest kernel update in 11.04 ... and the audio-dev ppa doesn't have any drivers for that kernel :-/
[23:35] <reisio> l1nuxman: what makes you think ls is wrong
[23:35] <skeletro3> ciao
[23:35] <guner34> terran4000, downgrade to previous kernel?
[23:35] <l1nuxman> reisio because I know it's bigger
[23:36] <terran4000> l1nuxman, if you're looking for folder size try:  du -sh FOLDER
[23:36] <rattlerdok> trism: guner34 yay it was the absolute path + extension, thanks :P
[23:36] <terran4000> guner34, good idea ... any link to the instructions on how to do so?
[23:36] <guner34> l1nuxman, du -hs <directory>
[23:36] <nina> is it possible that something is wrong with terminal because of my native language?
[23:37] <guner34> terran4000, http://askubuntu.com/questions/71139/how-to-downgrade-the-kernel-on-11-10
[23:37] <l1nuxman> guner34, cool thanks. WHy does ls just show the sizes?
[23:37] <guner34> that could be a starting point
[23:37] <l1nuxman> *doesn't
[23:37] <Phoenixz> How can I force the network manager to connect to a hidden SSID wifi network?
[23:37] <Phoenixz> I don't see it in the network list, so i cant really select it manually :)
[23:37] <terran4000> guner34, many thanks!
[23:37] <Untitled_only> reisio: do you get on #ubuntu-offtopic?
[23:37] <guner34> l1nuxman, because ls shows the size of the specification of the Folder
[23:38] <l1nuxman> specification ?
[23:38] <guner34> l1nuxman, du checks the folder for what is in it and then output the sum of all sizes
[23:38] <l1nuxman> guner34, ls should do that...
[23:38] <reisio> Untitled_only: not so far
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> l1nuxman: you can use:  du -h | tail -n 1    to get foldersize :)
[23:38] <terran4000> l1nuxman, in linux .. folders are just files with a special folder tag. Thus, LS is just physical size of the folder (which is really a file)
[23:39] <Untitled_only> its great to take a brake... on just chat
[23:40] <freegerr> hi, is it normal that an on-screen keyboard is shown after a user's screen is locked due to inactivity?
[23:40] <l1nuxman> terran4000, hmmm? What does it have to do with being a file...Show the size of the "file" then
[23:40] <spoq> omg JetJagurXP, thats the coolest looking ip i have seen in my life.
[23:41] <JetJagurXP> Having a problem with Grub not wanting to boot when  I put / on a software Raid...  md1
[23:41] <guner34> Ive never seen a 12. before either :O
[23:41] <JetJagurXP> spoq  JetJaguar is the coolest.  ;)
[23:41] <terran4000> l1nuxman, think of it this way: a 'folder' is just like a closed regular old shipping box that we take to the post office. LS gets you the dimensions of the box, but it can't tell you what's in it.
[23:41] <spoq> :)
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> JetJagurXP: you from the UK?
[23:42] <JetJagurXP> Should I just configure a separate partition for the /boot or something?
[23:42] <JetJagurXP> Nope.  US
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> JetJagurXP: unless you have good reason, no
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> JetJagurXP: there is a bradford near me :)
[23:43] <joshua__> I'm having an issue keeping Ubuntu 11.10 connected to the internet.  If it sits long enough to go into standby mode, I am disconnected from the wireless access point, and cannot reconnect.  Ideas?
[23:43] <l1nuxman> terran4000, ok fair enough, thanks. My opinion then is that LS is "stupid"
[23:43] <JetJagurXP> Well  I have three Raid partitions.  md0 is swap, md1 is / and md2 is /home
[23:44] <terran4000> l1nuxman, *shrug*. It's a program that does exactly what it was intended to do. :)
[23:44] <JetJagurXP> Grub doesn't want to boot md1 for some reason.
[23:44] <NOSaturn> is there anything i should look for in a webcam that will work in Ubuntu?
[23:44] <spoq> JetJagurXP, is the coolest around!
[23:44] <Untitled_only> config your power settings
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> JetJagurXP: if your raid isnt bootable, you'll need it ;)
[23:44] <JetJagurXP> Need what?
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> !hcl | NOSaturn
[23:44] <nixxofugi> i can connect to my other machine using ssh keys, but why can't i use "connect to server" to do ssh file transfer in nautilus??
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> JetJagurXP: if your raid isn't bootable you will need a separate /boot partition
[23:45] <JetJagurXP> How large does a /boot partition have to be?
[23:46] <guner34> JetJagurXP, about 100mb is more than enough
[23:46] <reisio> like 20MB for one very fat kernel and initrd
[23:46] <reisio> it's nice to be able to keep more in there though
[23:46] <reisio> JetJagurXP: I personally don't use a separate /boot
[23:46] <napster-pt> j miui-pt
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> JetJagurXP: about 200Mb is more than enough
[23:46] <reisio> then it's not an issue
[23:47] <JetJagurXP> It would make configuring the software raid a little more tricky missing 200 megs
[23:47] <escott> JetJagurXP, bios raid won't like that but mdadm will handle that configuration easily
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> JetJagurXP: could use an SD card or USB storage
[23:48] <Phoenixz> How can I force the network manager to connect to a hidden SSID wifi network?
[23:48] <NOSaturn> ActionParsnip, yeah.... the hcl sin't listing anything current :P
[23:48] <JetJagurXP> escott  Will Grub be able to handle it?
[23:49] <synapse> How does Ubuntu pull in updates from kernel.org?  (i.e., will I see a patch in the next kernel from ubuntu if it's for-linus)
[23:49] <escott> Phoenixz, you have to go to network settings and add type in the ssid. just so you are aware hidden wifi doesn't do much except prevent people who aren't aware from knowing the network is there
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> NOSaturn: i can recommend you see what you can afford or can buy, then read how they work online
[23:49] <hikenboot> anyone in here running a xen hypervisor on the desktop version of ubuntu rather than server. I am curious about the performance differnece between the two since workstation will install RAID10 and LVM i would prefer this over the install of ubuntu server
[23:50] <Phoenixz> escott: I know, try telling that to the "security" guys..
[23:50] <Scott_S> Hikenboot: As a desktop configuration will use more memory and resources due to the addition of a full GUI, you'll notice a very minimal difference in performance. So, yeah, not much difference.
[23:51] <hikenboot> why is the server installer look so old and out of date i thought it was canonicals pride and joy
[23:51] <Phoenixz> escott: but "going to network settings and type in the ssid"... where exactly is the "network settings"? you mean the popup when I click on the network manager?
[23:51] <hikenboot> do they still have a JEOS version? and does it setup raid formats?
[23:51] <hikenboot> during the install
[23:52] <escott> Phoenixz, so the network icon click on it and you should have network settings as an option at the bottom then you can pick wireless and add the ssid
[23:52] <Scott_S> hikenboot: Simple; server managers don't care about looks, they care about ease-of-use and speed. They want something simple, they've got something simple.
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> hikenboot: the server install is text only, looks the same since day 0
[23:52] <Scott_S> ActionParsnip: Long time no see. :3
[23:52] <escott> JetJagurXP, what exactly is your proposed config
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> Scott_S: yo yo yo
[23:52] <hikenboot> What about JEOS is it the same as server ?
[23:53] <Phoenixz> escott: actually on KDE here, but it should be more or less similar.. I already configured the network, and set it up to connect automatically, but its not connecting...;
[23:53] <Scott_S> JEOS? I'm not familiar with it.
[23:53] <JetJagurXP> escott  I have 4 hard drives.  2 X 160 GB and 2 X 200 GB
[23:53] <escott> Phoenixz, well it cannot connect automatically to a hidden network because it doesnt know its there. unless it broadcasts a request connection everywhere in which case you are spamming every coffee shop with their super secret SSID
[23:54] <hikenboot> stands for Just Enough Operating System... but I am surprised that setting up RAID isnt integratated in to the server install...very surprised
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_JeOS
[23:54] <Scott_S> Hikenboot: JEOS appears to be a minimal version of the server. Removes most of the drivers, all that stuff. Also, most companies do not use software RAID, they use hardware RAID. Much more reliable.
[23:55] <Scott_S> Hikenboot: The reason that many drivers are included with the Ubuntu Server 11.10 is so that it is fully compatible with (nearly) all hardware. Removing drivers means less chance of 100% compatibility.
[23:55] <spoq> is there a "Jewbuntu"
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> hardware raid is sweeeeet
[23:56] <escott> JetJagurXP, thats not specific enough
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> PCI-X raid with 256Mb cache :)
[23:56] <Scott_S> ActionParsnip: I want a Eureka 48-port card. :3 Upgradable online cache. SO-DIMM, up to 2048MB.
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> Scott_S: damn
[23:56] <Scott_S> onboard cache *
[23:57] <JetJagurXP> escott  using the system for VMs
[23:57] <DETERMINOLOGY> I fixed it...Now im back on just windows 7 and thanks again
[23:58] <escott> JetJagurXP, if you want an answer about what grub can and cannot handle you need to say exactly where you propose to install grub, and what the partition types and layouts of the the boot and root partitions will be
[23:58] <yaboo> I am trying to restart telnet and it seems the port is already binder and cannot be restarted, I do a netstat -an to see all the telnet connections
[23:58] <Scott_S> yaboo: Do you have a secondary telnet server installed?
[23:58] <yaboo> Scott_S, how can I check
[23:58] <Scott_S> yaboo: Try restarting the server with 'sudo [command]'
[23:59] <genii-around> DETERMINOLOGY: If you decide to run Ubuntu again sometime, you know where to come for support! ;)
[23:59] <CadetX> Hey
[23:59] <Scott_S> yaboo: I believe the command should be 'sudo service restart telnetd'


[00:41] <rww> anyone care to explain the concept of "signal to noise ratio" to botsu in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[00:42] <rww> clearly i am not doing a good job of it
[00:43] <bazhang> heh
[00:44] <bazhang> kyubutsu seems immune to facts
[02:13] <jose> hey guys! On behalf on the classroom team I'd like to invite any op around here to host a classroom session for Open Week about the IRC team, maybe about how to contribute if you're not an op?
[02:14] <jose> we've had something like that in the past <http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/02/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t17:00>, but it'd be nice if we could have another one for this cycle
[02:14] <rww> I'd volunteer Myrtti but she seems to have escaped
[02:15] <jose> hmm, maybe if I don't have any volunteers I can email her?
[02:15] <rww> nope, I think she's busy IRL
[02:15]  * rww ponders potential victims
[02:16] <jose> :P
[02:16] <rww> HI PHUNYGUY
[02:16] <IdleOne> I'm sure an email would be acceptable
[02:16]  * jose points a gun at not-so-phunyguy
[02:17] <jose> well, if any of you guys are willing to give a hand with that, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek has the open slots on the schedule - you are totally welcome to PM me or email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[02:17] <jose> don't want to get kicked, so o/
[02:17] <IdleOne> thank you jose
[02:17] <jose> s/kicked/removed/
[02:17] <jose> thanks to you, IdleOne!
[02:17] <rww> jose: perhaps email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and see what turns up
[02:17] <jose> rww: will do
[02:22] <rww> It's April 22nd through 24th, 1500 to 2000 UTC each day, for anyone else who was wondering.
[02:22] <rww> so I can't do it even if I wanted to, because work
[02:55]  * phunyguy glares at rww
[02:57] <phunyguy> hmm yeah that timeframe is a bit rough for me as well.  7 to midnight EDT
[03:01] <Flannel> phunyguy: 2000 UTC is midnight EDT?
[03:03] <phunyguy> yeah, the site I used got it backwards
[03:03] <phunyguy> it told me I was in Georgia (automatically) but the country, not the state.
[03:03] <phunyguy> weird.
[03:04] <phunyguy> http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx
[03:05] <phunyguy> not even a dropdown to select location.  It just assumed GA.  There is a list off to the side, but that is the starting location, not converted.
[03:07] <phunyguy> so it will be 11AM - 4PM
[03:07] <phunyguy> still not something I can commit to.
[03:07] <Flannel> phunyguy: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140422T15&ah=5
[03:08] <phunyguy> nice.
[03:08] <phunyguy> I was actually looking for that
[03:08] <phunyguy> still weird that site assumed GA, but picked the country vs the state
[05:58] <Ben64> jpds, rww: check <Tijuanense> 's link
[05:58] <Ben64> or his language
[05:58] <Ben64> or both, or neither and trust me
[05:59] <jpds> Ben64: I opted for the latter at that point.
[05:59] <rww> did the same thing 2.5 hours ago apparently.
[05:59] <Ben64> oh, i didn't see that one
[06:00] <rww> me either, i was /lastlog'ing as jpds banned
[06:00] <Ben64> and apparently, anantaa is spamming people via privmsg
[06:00] <Ben64> Mar 30 2014 22:59:54 <anantaa>	show gratis (solo hooy) --> http://s422803032.mialojamiento.es/
[06:01] <rww> yeah, they're an ircap spambot, forwarded from #ubuntu
[06:01] <rww> !staff
[06:01] <rww> wuy
[06:01] <rww> wut **
[06:01] <Ben64> this is the only channel i'm on with anantaa
[06:01] <Flannel> rww: Delete all the factoids.
[06:01] <rww> !-staff
[06:02] <rww> Flannel: mhm
[07:53] <Pricey> rww: ?


[00:11] <bryceh> skaet, you around?
[00:11] <skaet> bryceh, yup
[00:11]  * skaet is going to be around all night documenting bugs... :(
[00:11] <bryceh> skaet, we have a bug preventing people from filing compiz bugs with apport, that I have a fix for
[00:12] <skaet> sweet
[00:12] <bryceh> skaet, I wanted to doublecheck with you for uploading the fix before doing so
[00:12] <bryceh> skaet, it involves an upload of the 'xorg' package, which doesn't require much time from the buildds
[00:13] <bryceh> but since we're deep in freeze just wanted to be sure it's allowable?
[00:13] <skaet> thanks for asking.
[00:13] <bryceh> the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/710630
[00:14] <skaet> we're likely to go with the images we have, but if we do end up with a spin, this would be a good one to include.
[00:14] <skaet> buildd's aren't too busy.
[00:14] <skaet> bryceh,  go ahead.
[00:15] <skaet> (and thank you! - this is a good one to get fixed)
[00:15] <bryceh> skaet, alright thanks
[00:15] <bryceh> skaet, bdmurray gets the kudos for figuring out the fix :-)
[00:15] <skaet> thanks bdmurray.  :)
[00:16] <bdmurray> no problem
[00:18] <chrisccoulson> skaet, if you're documenting bugs, firefox isn't translated at all in alpha 2 ;)
[00:18] <chrisccoulson> not sure if that's worth documenting
[00:42] <barry> @pilot out
[01:06] <hallyn> well, my last update said it couldn't install xserver-xorg-core bc it'd break applications.  that does NOT bode well for chances of my being online in the morning :)
[01:16] <RAOF> hallyn:  Got any more details?  That *should* now all be fixed (barring nvidia/fglrx)
[01:25] <hallyn> RAOF: no, i haven't dared reboot or log out yet, but /var/log/apt/term.log says
[01:25] <hallyn>  xserver-xorg-core breaks xserver-xorg-video-8
[01:25] <barry> micahg, kklimonda i just resent my messages.  i'm eod, but i'll check the scrollback.  let me know if you do or don't get the messages.
[01:25] <hallyn> followed by
[01:25] <hallyn>  installing xserver-xorg-core would break existing software
[01:26] <micahg> barry: cool, thanks
[01:51] <skaet> chrisccoulson, bug number?  (yeah, its worth documenting)
[02:02] <kklimonda> micahg: barry: hmm, I didn't get it, maybe it's in moderation?
[02:20] <RAOF> hallyn: Do you have the nvidia binary driver installed, or some obscure driver?
[02:35] <barry> kklimonda: i'm seeing some odd errors in my mail.log.  ubuntu.com is 550'ing the message for some reason, though clearly other messages of mine are getting through.  will investigate tomorrow
[02:38] <lifeless> barry: stop spamming :P
[02:39] <barry> lifeless: that's like telling aussies not to say "krikee" :)
[02:54] <hallyn> RAOF: i mean to have the intel i915 driver
[02:54] <hallyn> RAOF: but i see nouveau installed
[02:55] <hallyn> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[02:55] <hallyn> haha, i see, they're all installed
[03:00] <hallyn> all right, i'd better risk the reboot now so i know what to expect tomorrow
[04:24] <bogner> I'm wondering about how to package 32 bit versions of libs. Is there documentation about how to make lib32* packages somewhere?
[04:26] <RAOF> bogner: Not that I know of, but it's not terribly difficult.  You _may_ not want to bother; proper dpkg multiarch support is (apparently) being actively worked upon.
[04:29] <bogner> RAOF: well, I need a 32 bit libvlc for something I'm working on, and it's easier to deal with things if I package them up
[04:30] <RAOF> If you need something quick and dirty I'd just cargo-cult from one of the existing lib32* packages; I've touched lib32asound in the past, and it wasn't terrible.
[04:34] <bogner> Yeah, based on lib32ncurses and lib32asound it doesn't look like it's too hard to deal with
[04:34] <RAOF> Basically, throw up a new bulid dir, passing -m32, and you're golden.
[06:24] <hyperair> hmm, what's this "soft freeze"?
[06:25] <kklimonda> hyperair: it's a freeze that is not enforced by LP
[06:25] <hyperair> ah, i see.
[06:25] <bryceh> hyperair, don't upload stuff unless it's a critical bug fix\
[06:25] <hyperair> kklimonda, bryceh: thanks
[06:26] <hyperair> i suppose archive will be unfrozen after alpha 2
[06:26] <kklimonda> yeah
[06:27] <micahg> hyperair: you can upload stuff if it's not in any of the images
[06:28] <micahg> or any build-deps of the images
[07:49] <DktrKranz> kklimonda: packages are processed at a lower pace during freeze, expect more activity when squeeze is released (i.e. after this weekend). And no, you can't download packages from NEW.
[07:55] <pitti> Good morning
[08:01] <didrocks> good morning
[08:31] <dholbach> good morning
[08:40] <dholbach> janimo, thanks for the patch pilot post!
[08:44] <dholbach> diwic, is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation also lacking information about bd-do?
[08:44] <dholbach> I think that'd be the best place where we can put it
[08:44] <dholbach> and it should go into the new packaging guide project that was just announced
[08:45] <diwic> dholbach, *reading*
[08:46] <diwic> dholbach, so that might be it, if there was a link from the packaging guide I just didn't make the connection from "Distributed Development" to bzr build-deb
[08:46] <tumbleweed> not sure how useful (does it even work?) bd-do is for non-merge-mode branches
[08:47] <dholbach> diwic, I added a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/702002
[08:48] <persia> bzr bd-do is the thing that pulls a remote tarball based on watch files or get-orig-source, right?
[08:48] <diwic> persia, and executes a command/shell upon the result
[08:48] <tumbleweed> persia: it's like svn-do, puts you into a temporary directory with upstream source + debian dir
[08:49] <persia> Does it pull the upstream source that matches the source used for the packaging, or the latest upstream source?
[08:49] <tumbleweed> persia: used for packaging :)
[08:50] <tumbleweed> there's an open bug on that not being the policy-compliant way to use get-orig-source. We need to take it up with debian-policy
[08:51] <persia> How does it do that?  get-orig-source is semantically required to get latest upstream, and watch files typically get latest upstream (especially for upstreams that don't store old tarballs around)
[08:51] <persia> I actually agree with the current reading of debian-policy.
[08:51] <persia> Seems easier to grab the version-matched tarball from our mirror network, no?
[08:51] <tumbleweed> persia: well obviously it tries that first
[08:51] <persia> (plus we then happen to have a trusted artifact, rather than a constructed artifact)
[08:51] <tumbleweed> then get-orig-source, then uscan
[08:52] <dholbach> janimo, I just added another comment to the CodeReviews page - thanks for the feedback
[08:52] <persia> Ah, then that makes more sense (but wasn't obvious)
[08:52] <tumbleweed> a fair number of pcakgase (including my own) use get-orig-source like that, because its more useful than getting the latest upstream
[08:52] <persia> I'd prefer if there were two operations: one to get current source, and one to get new upstream, but that's a matter of preference.
[08:52] <janimo> dholbach, you're welcome, I'll cjheck the page
[08:52] <tumbleweed> persia: yeah, that's why it needs to be discussed in debian-policy...
[08:52] <diwic> dholbach, so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/PatchSystem <- is this documentation for merge-mode branches or not?
[08:53] <persia> tumbleweed, please don't: it would be much prefeable to use another target (lots of folk seem to get get-current-source: )
[08:53] <janimo> dholbach, nice :)
[08:53] <persia> tumbleweed, It was, at length, and the semantics were changed from what you describe to what is currently in policy.
[08:53] <tumbleweed> persia: right, yes, the correct way out of it is probably a new target with these semantics
[08:54] <persia> tumbleweed, There's no policy against adding extra targets, and if enough people add them, it makes sense to add to policy :)
[08:54] <dholbach> diwic, what do you mean by "merge-mode" branches? to me it seems the way to deal with source package branches of packages that have a patch system on top of it
[08:55] <tumbleweed> persia: hah. in this case some coordination between svn, bzr, and any other VCS that needs this, would be great
[08:55] <persia> dholbach, I believe it's ones that don't use pristine-tar, and just have debian/
[08:55] <diwic> dholbach, well, I didn't know of that name either until yesterday, but that's when you have the debian/ in the bzr only, and the upstream source somewhere else
[08:56] <persia> tumbleweed, I tend to focus on the devscripts implementations first, and then expect foo-buildpackage to conform to those semantics.
[08:56] <tumbleweed> re modes: http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/
[08:56] <dholbach> aha
[08:56] <dholbach> barry, james_w and jelmer probably know better about this - I'm afraid I haven't dealt with "merge-mode branches" a lot yet
[08:57] <diwic> tumbleweed, aha, yet another useful link, thanks
[08:59] <diwic> so maybe there is some documentation and I just didn't find it.
[09:00] <dholbach> that sounds like something we can fix :)
[09:02] <diwic> dholbach, maybe links to "Distributed Development" should say "Packaging with bazaar" instead, or both
[09:04] <dholbach> diwic, gotcha - I added all the links to the bug report I mentioned above
[09:04] <persia> diwic, The key to "Distributed Developement" is that it's more than just packaging with bzr: there's lots more components that are intended to make things scale better.  bzr is just a piece of it (although perhaps the most visible piece at the current stage)
[09:16] <dholbach> micahg, do you know what's going on with bug 709216? :)
[09:19] <lag> dholbach: Hey Daniel
[09:19] <dholbach> hi lag
[09:19] <lag> dholbach: Long time no see, how you been?
[09:19] <dholbach> good good - how 'bout you?
[09:19] <lag> Yeah not bad thanks
[09:19] <lag> Do you know which channel would be best for libgpod questions?
[09:20] <lag> Does anyone work on it @Canonical for instance?
[09:21] <dholbach> lag, I guess #ubuntu-desktop
[09:21] <dholbach> but I'm only guessing :)
[09:21] <lag> I'll try them
[14:33] <EtienneG_> kees, regarding the OO.org USN this morning, have there been reports of exploits in the wild?
[15:16] <kees> EtienneG_: no, nothing. heap exploits are virtually unheard of due to glibc's defenses against it, but because of how they work, it's hard to really claim that they're all safe. in practice, I've only seen 1 heap overflow attack in the wild in the last 8 years.
[15:48] <EtienneG_> kees, thanks for the info, and glad to hear that!  :)
[16:03] <jdstrand> kenvandine: hey-- it looks like you sponsored the folks upload. is that to fix something for alpha2 images?
[16:04] <micahg> jdstrand: archive was opened
[16:04] <jdstrand> oh, I see that now
[16:04] <kenvandine> jdstrand, no
[16:04] <kenvandine>  :)
[16:04] <jdstrand> micahg: thanks
[16:04] <jdstrand> kenvandine: yes, nm :)
[16:19] <marjo> ping apw
[17:10] <kirkland_> apw: howdy;  i'm getting a kernel panic coming out of suspend *every time*;  this is new for natty, within the last 2-3 days
[17:11] <apw> marjo, hi
[17:11] <apw> kirkland_, lovely ... get a bug filed please... whats the ooops line
[17:11] <apw> EIP specifically ?
[17:13] <kirkland_> apw: shall i shoot a picture of the screen when it occurs?
[17:13] <apw> kirkland_, definatly and add tyhat to the bug
[17:13] <apw> and subscribe me, and post me the number too :
[17:13] <apw> here :)
[17:14] <kirkland_> apw: submitting bug now
[17:14] <kirkland_> apw: will kill my machine again momentarily
[17:16] <kirkland_> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/712625
[17:16] <kirkland_> apw: brb, killing my machine now
[17:27] <kirkland_> apw: image uploading over crappy conference uplink...
[17:28] <kirkland_> apw: standby;
[17:28] <kirkland_> apw: done
[17:28] <kirkland_> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/712625/+attachment/1827461/+files/IMG_0867.JPG
[18:24] <bdmurray> @pilot in
[18:39] <soren> qlist
[18:39] <soren> whoops :)
[18:39] <jelmer> hey soren, bitlbee user ? :)
[18:48] <soren> jelmer: Busted :)
[18:49] <soren> jelmer: Funny. I was wondering if you'd notice :)
[18:58] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Hi Colin,
[18:58] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Considering your comments at https://launchpad.net/bugs/666565, it would be great if you could spare a minute or two to act on the comment I posted earlier today.
[19:04] <jjardon> tkamppeter, Hello I was reading about https://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/plan-completion-common-printing-dialog and I wonder if there is a bug open in GTK+ bugzilla about this
[19:08] <slangasek> barry: ping
[19:11] <broder> cjwatson: ping? i have a quick question about the automagical ntp stuff if you're still around
[19:19] <ignarps> automagical ntp ?
[19:23] <broder> i'm mostly trying to figure out how our /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate script will interact with a network that has a captive portal
[19:27] <barry> slangasek: hi, sorry i was on a different desktop.  what's up?
[19:27] <slangasek> barry: hi, just wondering if you know what the status is of documentation for dh_python2
[19:27] <slangasek> I find "dh_python2 howto" doesn't work well as a google search term :/
[19:27] <barry> slangasek: probably fairly poor ;).  i am planning on spending time on dh_python2 perhaps next week; i'd like to improve the docs
[19:30] <slangasek> ok, cool
[19:30] <kklimonda> barry: did you found out what's wrong with your emai? :)
[19:30] <barry> kklimonda: i have not ;)  i'm going to investigate again later today
[19:30] <slangasek> I ran into this when reviewing some packages of meego components; the original packaging was using python-central, I wanted to suggest dh_python2 instead and couldn't find references
[19:30] <barry> slangasek: for simple packages, it's almost comical how simple it is
[19:30]  * barry looks for an example
[19:30] <slangasek> barry: right - I'm just left with the niggling doubt that I've overlooked something ;)
[19:31] <barry> slangasek: with a good setup.py, a 3 line d/rules is all you need, though you can add a few extra lines for tests or such (i need to fix dh for those)
[19:31] <barry> slangasek: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~barry/flufl.i18n/i18n.deb/view/head:/debian/rules
[19:31] <barry> slangasek: all you really need are lines 1, 6 and 7
[19:32] <barry> slangasek: and even there, you don't strictly need --buildsystem python_distutils
[19:32] <barry> slangasek: so line 7 can be: "dh $@ --with python2" and you're done
[19:33] <barry> slangasek: (the --buildsystem python_distutils is needed if you have a Makefile though because dh isn't smart enough -- yet -- to recognize setup.py over Makefile)
[19:33] <slangasek> barry: hmm, --buildsystem won't work in this case, the python bindings are a subset of the upstream source which uses autotools.  Will dh_python2 do anything sensible in this case?
[19:34] <barry> slangasek: does "python setup.py install" DTRT?
[19:34] <barry> slangasek: say, in a virtualenv?
[19:34] <slangasek> ENOSETUP.PY
[19:35] <barry> slangasek: ah, then i don't actually know ;).  give it a try and let me know, and i'm happy to help
[19:39] <broder> dh_pysupport would basically go and hunt down any python modules installed anywhere. does dh_python2 not do the same?
[19:39] <barry> broder: i haven't tried it with !setup.py
[19:41] <slangasek> barry: tried it, get a package with /usr/share/pyshared/ContextKit/, /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ContextKit/, /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ContextKit/; a Python-Version: 2.6, 2.7 binary control field; a strange dependency on python (>= 2.7.1-0ubuntu2) (!?); and what look to be suitable pycompile invocations in maintainer scripts
[19:41] <slangasek> pycompile+pyclean
[19:42] <slangasek> why does dh_python2 guard its prerm check with 'if which pyclean'?
[19:43] <barry> dunno.  fwiw, i have a branch that adds tests, cleans things up, and adds comments to explain things.  kind of languishing due to lack of time.  however, if you find problems/issues with dh_python2, you can file bugs and subscribe/assign me
[19:44] <slangasek> ok, cheers :)
[19:44] <slangasek> so the minimum python version is annotated in /usr/share/python/debpython/depends.py as "minimum version required for pycompile/pyclean"
[19:44] <slangasek> which means the prerm check for pyclean should be dropped
[19:44] <slangasek> and it should be run unconditionally, because depends aren't supposed to get removed before their rev-deps
[19:45]  * slangasek will file bug
[19:47] <JFo> Anyone know who owns the Bug Watch Updater?
[19:47] <JFo> It seems to be going klepto on fixed bugs
[19:47] <bdmurray> JFo: Launchpad does
[19:48] <JFo> hmmm
[19:48] <JFo> ok, thanks bdmurray
[19:48] <slangasek> JFo: it should only be updating upstream tasks
[19:48] <slangasek> to match the state of the remote bug tracker
[19:48] <JFo> slangasek, bug 185025 is an example
[19:49] <slangasek> JFo: yes; if you follow the link to the upstream bug tracker, is this not the same state?
[19:49] <slangasek> maybe it just figured out how to import bug importances from the Linux tracker
[19:50] <slangasek> or decided how to map them
[19:50] <JFo> hmm
[19:50] <JFo> I think the odd thing is that it has been fixed for 3 years
[19:50] <JFo> and now the importance is being changed
[19:51] <slangasek> yeah - it's no longer unknown, so the updater must've gotten smarter :)
[19:51] <bdmurray> smarter is good
[19:52] <JFo> indeed :)
[20:10] <bryceh> no, a few weeks ago the updater went through and marked a ton of the freedesktop bugs as importance unknown from what it had been
[20:10] <JFo> hmmm
[20:10] <bryceh> my guess is they figured out and fixed whatever caused that, so the importances are getting re-added now
[20:11] <bryceh> you might check if the bugs in question were upstreamed to freedesktop, or to some other tracker
[20:11] <JFo> well, as long as it Does No Harm(tm) I can live with it :)
[20:11] <bryceh> my mail box has been slammed all morning with the updates
[20:11] <JFo> interesting
[20:11] <JFo> I'll keep looking at it
[20:11] <bryceh> yeah, been a simple matter of holding down the 'd' key longer than usual ;-)
[20:12] <JFo> lol
[20:12] <JFo> I am told it is because they fixed this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/707478
[20:12] <JFo> but that wouldn't explain the previous change
[20:12] <bryceh> bingo
[20:12] <JFo> or actually it would rather
[20:13] <bryceh> yeah comment #9
[20:13] <bryceh> JFo, thanks for digging that out, I was curious :-)
[20:13]  * JFo spoke before reading
[20:13] <JFo> so yeah, I think we may be good now
[20:13] <JFo> :)
[20:14] <JFo> no problem Tim was curious as well
[20:14] <JFo> :)
[20:17] <bdmurray> @pilot out
[20:55] <barry> kklimonda: sending an edited summary now, while watching my postfix logs
[20:56] <barry> kklimonda: 250 OK - should hit the list soon
[21:02] <micahg> barry: got it :)
[21:04] <barry> micahg: \o/
[21:06] <lamont> there will be a brief, rolling blackout in the land of ppa builders.  just fyi
[21:29] <ari-tczew> ogra: archive open, could you again have a look on merges?
[21:39] <ogra> ari-tczew, tomorrow, its nearly 11pm here
[21:39] <ogra> i didnt forget about you ;)
[21:42] <ari-tczew> ogra: okok
[22:01] <kirkland> apw: i backed down to the 2.6.37-11-generic kernel and i can suspend/resume again
[22:01] <kirkland> apw: -12 is b0rked
[22:40] <ari-tczew> barry: any news on pymca?
[22:42] <barry> ari-tczew: yep. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pymca/+bug/712136
[22:42] <barry> see comment #6
[22:43] <ari-tczew> barry: many thanks!
[22:44] <barry> ari-tczew: sure thing! how about giving me a nice endorsement here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BarryWarsaw/MyApplication
[22:44] <barry> :)
[22:48] <ari-tczew> barry: I'd like to more sponsor for you to give strong endorsement.
[22:49] <barry> ari-tczew: you'll get sick of me prompting you about it eventually :)
[22:53] <bj0> 4
[22:55] <ari-tczew> barry: ATM I could say only that I've sponsored for you vala transition where were some issues and since these sponsors I have nothing else sponsored and I can't confirm that you don't make the same troubles.
[23:21] <poolie> can anyone comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/712812
[23:35] <poolie> ah, basically just the same as bug 443404
[23:37] <hallyn> silly question - for natty cycle, can i request merges without a lp bug, or is an lp bug always required?
[23:37] <hallyn> well, i guess i'll need a lp bug anyway for sru