[12:01] <jdodson> hey all.
[12:02] <gen> Hey
[12:02] <jdodson> how are you doing?
[12:02] <gen> fine, about to put christmas tree up
[12:03] <jdodson> ha! just did our decorating.
[12:03] <mirak> I just realised that a my univ, the homes are exported with NFS. Even if switch blocks aliens adress macs, somebody should inform the admin that it's easy to spoof a mac adress. pfff
[12:03] <mouu> how can I install libglcore?
[12:04] <Nivlem> does Ubuntu use rc.local to startup other items after running through the normal Sysvinit stuff?
[12:04] <gen> nivlem, did it work
[12:04] <ACID|net> is there a way to install other windows managers on ubuntu?
[12:05] <paulproteus> ACID|net: Through Synaptic you can get them.
[12:05] <paulproteus> You may need to enable Universe.
[12:05] <gen> yeah youd o
[12:05] <melazyboy> IS there anyway to use username and password when using the gnome gui for samba
[12:05] <melazyboy> as in logging onto remote machiens
[12:06] <paulproteus> smb://username:password@host/share may do it.
[12:06] <Nivlem> gen:Well even though ps ax |grep tightvncserver showed it running as a process it was necessary to issue tightvncserver :1 for display port 1 to allow a connection...now how to learn how Ubuntu can have this command passed at boot time..
[12:07] <Nivlem> gen: so yes it worked..wasn't necessary to specify a port(unless you want to control it)
[12:07] <Nivlem> ogra: Greetings
[12:07] <mouu> how can I install libglcore?
[12:07] <ACID|net> paulproteus: Cheers, i didnt noticed there was a main and universe :)
[12:08] <paulproteus> ACID|net: This is covered in the FAQ, for what it's worth. :)
[12:08] <Kamion> Nivlem: no, there's no rc.local in Debian-style distributions. You can always add your own init script, or use /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh.
[12:09] <Kamion> Nivlem: (I dislike using bootmisc.sh, though: it's run too early.)
[12:09] <Nivlem> Kamion: thank you...is there a better option?
[12:09] <Kamion> Nivlem: see /etc/init.d/skeleton, copy to taste
[12:10] <Kamion> then use update-rc.d to install symlinks for it
[12:10] <Nivlem> Kamion: thanks for helping me out!
[12:10] <Kamion> no problem
[12:10] <melazyboy> dear god samba interface w/ gnome needs alot of work
[12:10] <Nexinarus> you think?
[12:11] <gen> he thinks
[12:11] <Nexinarus> works for me,
[12:11] <Nexinarus> and looks decent
[12:11] <deception_uk> heya'll
[12:11] <melazyboy> looks excelent.
[12:11] <melazyboy> but it sucks in functionality and feedback
[12:11] <Nexinarus> functions fine here,
[12:11] <melazyboy> fails quitly, lacks options, you can browse network to add printers you have to know the name of printer share etc.
[12:12] <mouu> no idea?
[12:12] <melazyboy> you can't browse*
[12:12] <Gwildor> mouu, its not in the repo?
[12:12] <Nexinarus> heh i see, ive only tested file sending
[12:12] <Nexinarus> who needs printers :p
[12:13] <mouu> Gwildor I don't find it
[12:13] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: i would normally agree with you 100%, but pda broke and i need to get my contacts onto paper =/
[12:13] <Gwildor> mouu, 1 sec
[12:13] <melazyboy> anyway im out
[12:13] <mouu> Gwildor ok
[12:14] <Nexinarus> Just copy the doc over the lan and then print on the other pc,
[12:15] <Gwildor> mouu, i dont see it wither....what do you need it for?
[12:15] <mouu> Gwildor I need it for xfree server
[12:15] <Niriven> Whats so good about ubuntu? I use debian
[12:16] <gen> uhh
[12:16] <Gwildor> mouu, hmm, maybe its on the CD.....i have the removed ftom source.list
[12:16] <crimsun> Niriven: ever wanted a stable, current gnome 2.8-based desktop that actually works?
[12:16] <Gwildor> Niriven, what he said
[12:16] <crimsun> Niriven: maybe a 6-month release cycle containing current stable packages instead of just packages that have been time-tested to be stable?
[12:17] <Niriven> crimsun: Hmm, it seems like gnome 2.8 works fine for me in debian unstable
[12:17] <Niriven> does it have xorg?
[12:17] <ACID|net> ok, ive read the FAQ and it doesnt include it, but ive installed ubuntu under vmware and to install vmware tools it wants me to exit XFree86 - and just wondering how u actually do that....
[12:17] <crimsun> Niriven: or perhaps you're looking for security updates for an extended period for the stable distribution?
[12:17] <crimsun> Niriven: and yes, it has since early November.
[12:17] <Kamion> Niriven: in the development branch, yes; not in the stable release
[12:17] <Gwildor> Niriven, , hoary does
[12:17] <birme> anyone had trouble detecting the cdrom during install? (warty). Log says something like this: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } ?
[12:17] <crimsun> pardon, thanks for Scott's clarification.
[12:18] <Kamion> Scott?
[12:18] <crimsun> sorry
[12:18] <crimsun> brain's a bit haywire :P
[12:18] <Kamion> confusion with Keybuk I suspect :)
[12:18] <Niriven> So its better then debian in many ways, even if a relitive good user with debian? (In terms of i know what im doing)
[12:18] <crimsun> Kamion: yep. Sorry 'bout that.
[12:19] <crimsun> Niriven: it's a bit unfair to compare Debian to Ubuntu in such a manner. Their goals, at least in terms of a supported desktop environment, are different.
[12:19] <Niriven> It keeps saying all this stuff will be installed by default, can i do a minimil install?
[12:20] <Nexinarus> heh i dont think i will get my winmodem to work soon, every network config tool crashes when i configure things for my modem
[12:20] <Niriven> nex: A NIC?
[12:20] <melazyboy> network interface card
[12:20] <Niriven> nex: You could try the ndis wrapper
[12:21] <gen> he said modem, as in dialup?
[12:21] <Nexinarus> its a lucent win modem, dialup
[12:22] <gen> just buy an old external hardware modem
[12:22] <Nexinarus> yeah that would be good maybe 4 years ago. Need to progress to broadband some time heh
[12:23] <gen> yeah i've had broadband for 6 years
[12:23] <Niriven> Whats hoary?
[12:23] <Nexinarus> i want to lan the house up, at the moment ive just got a switch over the lounge hooked to my sisters pc with dialup :p
[12:23] <gen> next release of ubuntu
[12:23] <crimsun> Niriven: the next stable release of Ubuntu
[12:23] <gen> niriven
[12:24] <Niriven> Is there also a comparable unstable?
[12:24] <crimsun> it currently _is_ the development branch, comparable to testing/unstable
[12:24] <gen> you can use unstable hoary now niriven
[12:24] <Niriven> Well testing is differnt from unstable
[12:24] <Niriven> Oh well :-0
[12:24] <Niriven> Sorry for all the questiosn
[12:25] <crimsun> Niriven: only in terms of policy and timeframe. The packages, however, filter from the latter to the former (using your order)
[12:26] <Niriven> So hoary has all the latest software, xorg, gnome 2.8, etc, correct?
[12:26] <crimsun> yes
[12:26] <Amaranth> is it possible to completely unset an environmental variable?
[12:26] <Niriven> Thanks :)
[12:26] <gen> warty has gnome 2.8 also
[12:26] <mroth> warty has gnome 2.8, hoary is in 2.9 betas now
[12:26] <Amaranth> i set LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT to 1 to test something and i can't get rid of it
[12:26] <Amaranth> setting it to 0 doesn't change it
[12:26] <crimsun> Amaranth: where did you set it?
[12:26] <Niriven> Oh
[12:26] <Amaranth> well, it changes the value
[12:27] <Amaranth> crimsun: export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 from a gnome-terminal window
[12:27] <crimsun> then just unset it
[12:27] <Amaranth> ah, unset
[12:27] <Amaranth> i couldn't remember the command
[12:27] <mirak> hi
[12:27] <gen> hi mirak
[12:28] <mirak> anyone uses often qtparted ?
[12:28] <mirak> it's scares me
[12:28] <mirak> the device numbers are not the same than in fdisk or parted
[12:28] <Niriven> Crimsun: Hmm so hoary would be a bad idea, considering it has beta software :(
[12:29] <verden01> are there any sources.list for Debian x86_64
[12:29] <crimsun> Niriven: as opposed to Sid, which does as well?
[12:30] <zenwhen> mirak, qt parted is fairly trustworthy in my experiences.
[12:30] <zenwhen> Ive used it to resize partitions and such.
[12:30] <Niriven> crimsun: Sid only has gnome 2.8, i believe
[12:30] <Niriven> crimsun: experimental has gnome 2.9
[12:31] <stevecarter> Hi. In the prerequisites for compiling ndiswrapper, it says that '/lib/modules/<version>/build' should be a link to the kernel that I am running.  The file 'build' is not present, and I do not know how to make it or where the kernel source is. Can someone help please?
[12:31] <flam> zenwhen: is parted trustworthy then?
[12:32] <noam> no need to compile, ndiswrapper is in the "main" package group
[12:32] <flam> stevecarter: the kernelsource should be in /usr/src/linux-2.x.x
[12:32] <mroth> so is anyone going to conference?
[12:32] <flam> build is a link to that directory
[12:32] <noam> just type "sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper"
[12:32] <crimsun> Niriven: I find Hoary to be quite stable.
[12:33] <Niriven> Crimsun: Alright, last question, does unbuntu have a graphical frontend to apt?
[12:33] <crimsun> Niriven: Synaptic
[12:33] <noam> synaptic
[12:33] <ACID|net> yep
[12:33] <ACID|net> its cool
[12:33] <stevecarter> flam: I do not have a folder or file linux-2.x.x in the /usr/src directory
[12:33] <noam> it can be found in computer>system settings
[12:33] <flam> stevecarter: is /usr/src empty?
[12:34] <usual> is this human icon theme in hoary a ubuntu work? or is it something else
[12:34] <stevecarter> noam: I've been down this route several times and ndiswrapper is not present
[12:34] <flam> stevecarter: the kernelsource is available in apt-sources.
[12:34] <Nivlem> Kamion: It should be ok to use the defaults parameter for rc-update.d? I don't really see a need to start it at a specific runlevel?
[12:34] <flam> stevecarter: ndiswrapper needs the kernelsource to build..
[12:34] <verden01> does anyone have a sources.list for Debian x86_64?
[12:35] <stevecarter> flam: No, it has two folders /modules and /rpm
[12:35] <noam> it is not on the cd, only on the servers (you can ty downloading the package from another computer)
[12:35] <flam> stevecarter: download the kernelpackage
[12:36] <stevecarter> flam:where from and how. The reason I want the ndiswrapper is to install my wireless LAN card o that I can download things :-(
[12:37] <flam> stevecarter: use synaptic
[12:38] <noam> flam: he doesn't have internet, he can use the debian package search engine on another computer and the transfer neede packages on a diskette, but i don't think debian has the right kernel-source
[12:38] <stevecarter> flam: ok - synaptic open - now what?
[12:38] <spacey`ki> What is the recommended way to run 32bit programs in ubuntu-amd64
[12:38] <spacey`ki> ?
[12:39] <flam> i assume you use the default kernel.. which is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:39] <flam> try search for <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:40] <mouu> guys I have amd64 and I can't use server x with nvida kernel, can somebody help me
[12:40] <mouu> ?
[12:40] <stevecarter> flam: There are several references to <IP_ADDRESS> after the search
[12:41] <flam> linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:42] <mouu> guys I have amd64 and I can't use server x with nvida kernel, can somebody help me..
[12:42] <stevecarter> flam: linux-headers, linux-image, linux-restricted-modules but no linux-source
[12:42] <flam> isn't there a linux-source?
[12:42] <stevecarter> flam: not in the list of packages - no.
[12:42] <flam> try to use universe in your sources list then
[12:43] <flam> i've got to go, sorry :/
[12:43] <stevecarter> flam: universe already in use.
[12:44] <flam> i get the linux-source on search.. hm
[12:47] <fredix> where i can ask an hoary package for some software ?
[12:48] <tvon|x31> what?
[12:49] <fredix> i would like "revelation" and "multisync" on hoary
[12:51] <fredix> revelation is very important for me, and the debian package is too buggy
[12:52] <Nivlem> Kamion: It does not run on reboot...says permission denied? I did it all from a root console
[12:58] <Nivlem> I used skeleton to create a file I want to run at startup, it is named startvnc.on boot I see it saying permission denied anyone help?
[12:59] <farruinn> I've installed another window manager (blackbox), made a file in /usr/share/xsessions because one wasn't created by default, restarted gdm, but it doesn't show up in the list of sessions at the gdm login screen
[12:59] <farruinn> Do I have to register the file I've added with gdm somehow?
[01:00] <JStrike> fredix : Are there Ubuntu packages for them?
[01:01] <mouu> guys I have amd64 and I can't use server x with nvida kernel, can somebody help me..
[01:02] <fredix> JStrike: precisely not
[01:03] <farruinn> anyone added their own xsessions with ubuntu?
[01:03] <JStrike> fredix : Well, then creating and maintaining the packages would be a good start. It will show that there is somone commited to maintaining it
[01:04] <billytwowilly> is there something screwy with the unrar utility in linux? I have this rar file full of mp3s and empty directories.. the files should be in the supposedly empty directories..
[01:04] <fredix> JStrike: ok, i'll try it
[01:05] <crimsun> farruinn: you followed the syntax of similar .desktop files, correct?
[01:05] <farruinn> crimsun, actually I noticed that I had written exec /usr/bin/blackbox as opposed to exec=
[01:06] <farruinn> also, do I need to append my filename with .desktop?
[01:06] <crimsun> I would, yes.
[01:06] <crimsun> seeing how all the others do
[01:06] <farruinn> ok
[01:07] <caro> hey
[01:07] <caro> i have a problem when installing libtool
[01:08] <caro> synaptic tells me "No C compiler found, please install one.
[01:08] <caro> dpkg: erreur de traitement de libtool (--configure):
[01:08] <caro> "
[01:08] <caro> (french message)
[01:08] <caro> but i *have* a c compiler already installed
[01:08] <caro> does someone see what is the problem ?
[01:09] <FunnyLookinHat> try running apt-get update
[01:09] <crimsun> caro: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:09] <FunnyLookinHat> that too
[01:10] <mouu> guys I have amd64 and I can't use server x with nvida kernel, can somebody help me..
[01:10] <caro> ok
[01:10] <caro> it has installed gcc 3.3.4
[01:11] <FunnyLookinHat> caro: Try again.
[01:11] <caro> whereas i've already installed gcc 3.4.3
[01:11] <FunnyLookinHat> oh weird.
[01:11] <Q-FUNK> it probably needs the meta-package called "gcc"
[01:12] <Q-FUNK> if you install gcc-3.4, I'd guess that libtool things you have no compiler, because it's looking for a dependency called 'gcc'
[01:13] <Q-FUNK> 'gcc' itself porbably depends upon 'gcc-3.3'
[01:14] <caro> well, when installing gcc 3.4.3, no gcc symbolic link is created
[01:14] <caro> so, the problem seems to be this fact, yes
[01:14] <bob2> if you're building anything, install build-essential
[01:15] <farruinn> hm, changing my syntax and filename for my xsession file didn't work
[01:21] <hypegt> anyone here found a wireless network roaming utility that works nicely with ubuntu?
[01:21] <eyal> Hi
[01:22] <eyal> I deleted the .bashrc file from my home/user folder
[01:22] <eyal> what can i do to bring it back ?
[01:22] <paulproteus> You can get the default one.
[01:22] <sval> eyal check if you have a .bashrc~
[01:22] <paulproteus> It's in /etc/skel/
[01:23] <paulproteus> /etc/skel/ stores the "skeleton" home directory, which is used each time you create a new user to populate that user's $HOME.
[01:23] <Nivlem> Man this is driving me crazy...I am now getting a message at boot that it can't find xauth in the path..yet it is in the skeleton file copy I made before creating the symlinks with update-rc.d WTF?
[01:24] <eyal> 10x !
[01:25] <Nivlem> I am looking right at the file and it has /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth...so why wouldn't it be able to know it is in the path use by the set -e above?
[01:25] <paulproteus> eyal: ?
[01:25] <eyal> what ?
[01:26] <paulproteus> What is "10x" about?
[01:26] <paulproteus> Nivlem: What can't find xauth on boot?
[01:26] <sval> paulproteus  10x = thx
[01:27] <eyal> u gave me an answer so i thanked u :)
[01:27] <Nivlem> paulproteus: I used /etc/init.d/skeleton to create a new file named startvnc...I added the path in the file..but on boot it fails to execute /usr/bin/tightvncserver since it complains it can't find the path...
[01:27] <Nivlem> to xauth that is
[01:28] <Nivlem> paulproteus: I used defaults for update-rc.d could that be why? It is S20 right now..
[01:28] <eyal> does anyone have good beginners lessons to ubuntu link ??
[01:31] <will> hi just re-installed ubuntu, gone back to warty. How do i get the nautilus file manager to display the directory tree?
[01:31] <JStrike> will : right click folder -> browse
[01:32] <farruinn> will, if you like the browse view you can set always open in browse view to on in the preferences under the behavior tab
[01:33] <thenuke> arrgh. does someone know about badblocks?  badblocks -v -w /dev/hda gives me huge amount of badblocks but when I add  -p num_passes option, it does not find any bad blocks at all
[01:34] <will> thanks guys! always wondered about that. its a bit illogical
[01:37] <grif2010> hi guys! can i use programs from debian repositories in my ubuntu?
[01:37] <stuNNed> back to stable :D
[01:37] <Gwildor> grif2010, if you really want to, it is possible, but not recomended
[01:38] <ChEEzE__> im having some installer issues with the amd-64 version.... base installation fails with a message similar to cannot find foo in //release
[01:38] <eyal> guys how do i learn Ubuntu ?
[01:38] <stuNNed> you guys know breakmyubuntu site on the wiki has firefox 1.0 backported to warty
[01:39] <paulproteus> eyal: Ah, I see.  You're welcome.
[01:39] <grif2010> Gwildor: i need libpng 1.2....and ubuntu reps have older version :( so...
[01:39] <eyal> k
[01:39] <farruinn> eyal, I don't know of an "Ubuntu Manual" or something like "Ubuntu For Dummies" (not calling you a dummy =)
[01:39] <eyal> well im trying to understand it
[01:39] <farruinn> it's a young distro, so general documents like that don't really exist yet afaik
[01:40] <farruinn> I would suggest looking at the wiki if you aren't already
[01:40] <paulproteus> farruinn: It's a polished Debian.
[01:40] <paulproteus> So, the UNIX system administration guides that Debian provides are topical.
[01:40] <farruinn> I was just about to say that as well =)
[01:40] <paulproteus> If you want to understand the desktop components, the best idea is to:
[01:40] <paulproteus> 1. Pick a program.
[01:40] <intinig> I have a library I wish to install whose deb packages do not exist, how can I create a deb package from the sources?
[01:41] <paulproteus> 2. Either go to its website, or (2a) find out what package it is in and (2b) go to /usr/share/doc/packagename and (2c) read around.
[01:41] <paulproteus> intinig: Look up checkinstall.
[01:41] <intinig> thx
[01:42] <farruinn> does sudo debian/rules build ; sudo debian/rules package-name from the source directory usually do it?
[01:42] <ChEEzE__> any1 got a clue about my amd-64 hangup ?
[01:43] <eyal> im trying to add hebrew to the openoffice, i added everything i could find in the package manager that contains in its discriptio the words "hebrew" and "openoffice"
[01:43] <Gwildor> grif2010, go for it, just dont complain if it breaks :)
[01:44] <grif2010> Gwildor: ok..thanx! :)
[01:44] <Gwildor> grif2010, np :)
[01:44] <paulproteus> eyal: Add Hebrew to the language tools, or make Hebrew the primary language?
[01:44] <lek> jew
[01:44] <Quest-Master> XD
[01:45] <SuperQ> hrm
[01:45] <SuperQ> any ubuntu developers around?
[01:45] <eyal> i just want to be able to write hebrew in the openoffice
[01:45] <will> whats the best audio recorder in yur experience?
[01:46] <SuperQ> will: audacity
[01:46] <srbaker> hey everyone
[01:46] <paulproteus> eyal: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/12-2003/7679.html
[01:46] <srbaker> the Netgear WG511 Just Works.
[01:46] <srbaker> out of the box with warty.
[01:47] <paulproteus> eyal: Tell me if that helps you.
[01:47] <paulproteus> If it does, write about that on the Wiki.
[01:47] <hypegt> srbaker: prism54 chipset
[01:47] <SuperQ> will: it's in universe
[01:47] <srbaker> hypegt, yes.  and they're on sale at Staples :)
[01:47] <eyal> ok 10x im checkin it now
[01:47] <srbaker> $49.95 CDN
[01:47] <will> SuperQ:ta found it :)
[01:47] <hypegt> yep, they were on sale last month at bestbuy
[01:48] <SuperQ> will: good deal..
[01:48] <SuperQ> anyone  tried using a USB external box with a CD burner?
[01:48] <hypegt> srbaker: winxp drivers off windows update are fubar'd tho, never would work with my xp-pro boot
[01:52] <hydralysk> hi
[01:52] <hydralysk> hola
[01:54] <srbaker> hypegt, then don't use windows
[01:54] <SuperQ> hydralysk: ahoy!
[01:54] <SuperQ> Gwildor: ahoy!
[01:54] <hypegt> srbaker: i dont anymore, might be part of the reason they're on sale tho
[01:55] <Gwildor> SuperQ, huh?
[01:55] <SuperQ> Gwildor: ahoy!
[01:56] <Gwildor> SuperQ, hi?
[01:56] <SuperQ> :)
[01:58] <SuperQ> Q-FUNK: hei
[01:58] <SuperQ> hrm
[01:58] <SuperQ> damn.. no one knows anything about USB external burners
[01:59] <Gwildor> SuperQ, what is the problem?
[01:59] <SuperQ> Gwildor: it detects the USB/IDE box, but not the drive attached to it
[01:59] <SuperQ> Gwildor: so it looks like a SCSI block device
[02:00] <SuperQ> heh..
[02:00] <paulproteus> SuperQ: Perhaps you should insert the 'sg' module, for "SCSI Generic" support, into the kernel.
[02:00] <farruinn> wasn't there a way to see if your cd's have been shipped on shipit?
[02:00] <paulproteus> Then you should get /dev/sg0 for it.
[02:00] <paulproteus> And then cdrecord -scanbus should show it.
[02:00] <SuperQ> paulproteus: i think i tried that
[02:01] <SuperQ> but it doesn't load it as sr0
[02:01] <SuperQ> so it's impossible to run as CD rom functions
[02:01] <SuperQ> and I think cdrecord still wants to see the sr0 device
[02:01] <paulproteus> SuperQ: Beats me, then, I'm sorry to say.
[02:01] <SuperQ> yea
[02:01] <SuperQ> i'll keep poking
[02:01] <SuperQ> there's got to be a way to fix this
[02:02] <SuperQ> caues it worked fine with Sarge and <IP_ADDRESS> right before I loaded ubuntu
[02:02] <scoon> SuperQ, what kind of drive is it ?
[02:02] <SuperQ> it's a LiteOn DVD+-RW drive
[02:02] <SuperQ> i've tested it with Fedora Core1-3 and gentoo
[02:02] <SuperQ> all work fine
[02:02] <scoon> SuperQ, do you have any other usb things working
[02:02] <SuperQ> ubuntu is the only one with issues so far
[02:02] <scoon> SuperQ, the live gentoo cd ?
[02:02] <SuperQ> scoon: yea.. usb keychain works fine
[02:03] <SuperQ> scoon: no.. gentoo on a friends laptop
[02:03] <SuperQ> scoon: I had Sarge on this laptop (TP X31) previous to ubuntu
[02:03] <scoon> SuperQ, and fedora ? are those yours
[02:03] <SuperQ> scoon: and it worked
[02:03] <SuperQ> Fedora is on my TP T21
[02:03] <hypegt> is there a way within ubuntu to setup roaming wireless acess on a laptop? I roam between 3 wifi networks and booting takes forever when the network profile isn't the right one
[02:03] <scoon> plug it in and compare what drivers it is using
[02:04] <SuperQ> hypegt: that's a general linux problem with wifi control
[02:04] <SuperQ> hypegt: there isn't much you can do to fix it
[02:04] <paulproteus> hypegt: You can disable the interface by default.
[02:04] <SuperQ> hypegt: if you manualy edit /etc/network/interfaces, you can specify the settings you want
[02:04] <FirE-dRaGoN> hypegt: add universe to sources.list and then: sudo apt-get install netapplet
[02:04] <scoon> SuperQ, my guess is that you are not loading all of the modules that it needs.
[02:05] <SuperQ> scoon: well.. it's hotplug's job to load the modules
[02:05] <SuperQ> scoon: both used usb_storage afaik
[02:05] <FirE-dRaGoN> hypegt: This will install a applet you can use to switch networks on the fly
[02:05] <SuperQ> i'm not infront of the box right now
[02:05] <paulproteus> Or, on bootup, you can press Ctrl-C to stop the DHCP client.
[02:05] <scoon> SuperQ, so quit now and don't bother looking into it then
[02:05] <SuperQ> :P
[02:05] <hypegt> cool, thanks for the input everyone
[02:05] <SuperQ> well.. my only guess is it's udev related
[02:05] <scoon> SuperQ, compare lspci on both machines and then grep kernel config files.
[02:05] <theine> Anybody else getting segfaults at system halt?
[02:06] <SuperQ> scoon: yea.. i'll have to dig into it more
[02:06] <SuperQ> scoon: i was just hoping someone had a ubuntu box with an USB burner
[02:06] <bob2> theine: from umount?
[02:06] <scoon> SuperQ, you mean the easy way ?
[02:06] <paulproteus> FirE-dRaGoN: I don't see netapplet in my universe.
[02:06] <scoon> :)
[02:06] <SuperQ> scoon: :)
[02:06] <theine> bob2: exactly
[02:07] <bob2> theine: known bug, it's in the bts
[02:07] <scoon> SuperQ, sorry man, i fought an ide dvdburner for a while.  it won and I got another one.
[02:07] <bob2> don't think anyone knows what's causing it yet tho
[02:07] <theine> bob2: any workarounds?
[02:07] <SuperQ> scoon: the anoying part was.. I was burning dvd's with Sarge before i installed ubuntu
[02:07] <SuperQ> oh well
[02:07] <bob2> theine: don't think so
[02:07] <SuperQ> i'll have to poke at it later
[02:08] <bob2> it is a weird one...I'm seeing it on boot on ppc and others are seeing it on resume on i386
[02:08] <theine> bob2: and are there any news with the empty /proc directory issue?
[02:08] <bob2> theine: seems to be related but I aoin't heard anything yet
[02:09] <theine> bob2: good to hear that those two might be resolved in one go
[02:19] <farruinn> join #saxophone
[02:19] <farruinn> baaah
[02:22] <Earthe1> what file do i need to edit to fix the auto mount for the floppy
[02:26] <Earthe1> can some one help with the auto mount for the floppy drive
[02:27] <linux_galore> /etc/fstab
[02:27] <linux_galore> Earthe1: is the floppy hanging
[02:27] <Earthe1> thank you
[02:28] <spacemind> hi there
[02:28] <Earthe1> no it just give me error unknows file system
[02:28] <Earthe1> unknown
[02:28] <spacemind> does ubunctu worka in mu pda ipaq 3850 ?
[02:28] <spacemind> ubuntu ..
[02:28] <SuperQ> spacemind: yes
[02:29] <spacemind> ehehe
[02:29] <spacemind> can anyone help me to install it ?
[02:29] <linux_galore> Earthe1: have you tried manually mounting the floppy
[02:29] <spacemind> i have opie installed, but i cant install apps :( and i like apt-get :)
[02:30] <Earthe1> yes it give me the same error
[02:30] <srbaker> yaye
[02:30] <Earthe1> floppy is f32 file system?
[02:30] <linux_galore> Earthe1: use the mount command
[02:31] <linux_galore> Earthe1: ie  mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[02:32] <linux_galore> does ubuntu use /mnt/floppy of the debbian /floppy option
[02:32] <alka_trash> anyone in here using an AMD 64 chipset?
[02:32] <Earthe1> I did it before but can't remember the commands
[02:32] <linux_galore> I havent got a floppy on this machine
[02:32] <Earthe1> I have one
[02:32] <alka_trash> Earthe1: how is it with Ubuntu?
[02:32] <Earthe1> AMD 64 3500+
[02:32] <linux_galore> Earthe1:   mount  -t  vfat   /dev/fd0   /mnt/floppy
[02:33] <Nivlem> clear
[02:33] <Earthe1> don't know
[02:33] <alka_trash> oh
[02:33] <Earthe1> I have fedora core 2 on it right now
[02:33] <linux_galore> alka_trash: were does Ubuntu mount the floppy drive in the file system
[02:33] <alka_trash> really!, how is that running?
[02:33] <Earthe1> but i am thinkinf of putting ubuntu on it
[02:33] <Nivlem> I get connected to my vnc connection...but it never displays the remote desktop...just the X window with the "X" for the mouse cursor..
[02:33] <alka_trash> ummm
[02:34] <alka_trash> linux_galore: let me take a look
[02:34] <Earthe1> linux_galore what is the file system for the floppt
[02:34] <linux_galore> alka_trash:  debian does /floppy but these days most distro's use /mnt/floppy
[02:34] <Earthe1> floppy
[02:34] <alka_trash> Earthe1: all you have to do is look in your fstab
[02:34] <alka_trash> mine says
[02:35] <linux_galore> Earthe1: varies  floppies can have a few file systems
[02:35] <MobyTurbo> ubuntu uses /media/floppy
[02:35] <linux_galore> MobyTurbo: thanks
[02:35] <alka_trash> "/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0"
[02:35] <Earthe1> if it were a windows formatted floppy
[02:35] <Earthe1> yes i need to change the auto
[02:35] <alka_trash> so it's "/media/floppy0"
[02:35] <linux_galore> I dont have a floppy so Im not sure were it mounts with Ubuntu
[02:36] <MobyTurbo> for windows floppies skip the mounting and use mtools. "mcopy foo a:"
[02:36] <linux_galore> I use USb drives these days
[02:36] <billytwowilly> Quick question: will hoary do dual boot installs properly? warty messes up on some machines my student's group is using to test distros for our next installfest
[02:36] <alka_trash> Earthe1: did this help?
[02:37] <alka_trash> if you type "nano /etc/fstab" it will print out your mount points
[02:37] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, Hoary is not in real good shape atm
[02:37] <linux_galore> alka_trash: no that just shows whats in the fstab file
[02:37] <Earthe1> it allready said that
[02:38] <linux_galore> alka_trash: you can have mount points not listed in the fstab file
[02:38] <Earthe1> I changed it on another computer today changed it from auto to something else but i can't remember
[02:38] <MobyTurbo> fstab is just for reducing typing while mounting or for automounting.
[02:39] <MobyTurbo> if there's an error in your fstab it won't help.
[02:39] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, don't say that;) I'm running it;)
[02:39] <rattboi> billytwowilly, I got Hoary + XP right now
[02:39] <alka_trash> ahh
[02:39] <Earthe1> I just need to know what to put ther to make it see windows formatted floppies
[02:39] <billytwowilly> rattboi, How did the install go though? On a couple of our test machines warty just flaked right out.
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> Earthe1, windows format is type vfat
[02:40] <linux_galore> Earthe1: nothing it should automatically detect them
[02:40] <rattboi> billytwowilly: the install was fine
[02:40] <SuperQ> can you dist-upgrade from warty to horay?
[02:40] <Earthe1> yes it should but it doesn't
[02:40] <restrex_> :)
[02:40] <alka_trash> vfat and sometimes auto works too
[02:40] <Earthe1> it works fine in the live cd
[02:40] <linux_galore> Earthe1: well put auto back
[02:40] <billytwowilly> SuperQ, I did that.
[02:40] <rattboi> I was running warty to start with, then used apt-get to upgrade to hoary
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> Earthe1, again, I reccomend using mtools; it's a lot easier and you can skipp all of that mounting/mountpoints jazz.
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> skip
[02:40] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, I ran Hoary for 2 hours then went back to Warty :D
[02:40] <rattboi> it screwed up my grub menu.lst, but that's an easy fix
[02:41] <SuperQ> k
[02:41] <Earthe1> thank you vfat worked
[02:41] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, I've been running it since half an hour after I installed warty about a month ago now.
[02:41] <SuperQ> i think i'll wait on horay for a while :)
[02:41] <MobyTurbo> n
[02:41] <MobyTurbo> np
[02:41] <Earthe1> it not auto mounts
[02:41] <Earthe1> now
[02:41] <alka_trash> hoary seems to work okay for me
[02:41] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, sweet
[02:41] <linux_galore> Earthe1: already told you how to mount it with vfat
[02:41] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, It's been rock solid, but I need to see the hoary installer to truly decide if I want to use it for my student group's installfest
[02:42] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, my cdburner decided Warty is the way to go for me :D
[02:42] <Earthe1> lol all that for a stupid floppy disk lol
[02:42] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, that's fine. That's what warty is for. I like to be cutting edge;) warty is on my house server
[02:42] <alka_trash> billytwowilly: I hears ya, my friend that are trying linux out, recommend that they don't upgrade to hoary yet
[02:42] <rattboi> billytwowilly: did you find a hoary iso?
[02:42] <linux_galore> Earthe1:   mount  -t  vfat   /dev/fd0   /media/floppy
[02:42] <billytwowilly> rattboi, I didn't see a hoary iso no.
[02:42] <Earthe1> it didn't work
[02:43] <rattboi> I just upgraded warty
[02:43] <MobyTurbo> Earthe1, what did you do to test if it worked?
[02:43] <Earthe1> I didn't have the floppt mount point created
[02:43] <linux_galore> Earthe1: I changed the last part
[02:43] <Earthe1> the auto mount works now
[02:44] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, I like Warty cause there isn't dozens of application upgrades every week :)
[02:44] <udssr> my microphone soesnt work
[02:44] <Earthe1> thanks Linux_galore
[02:45] <udssr> does anybody know, how to get mics working?
[02:45] <Earthe1> I'm a newbi so you have the bare with me :P
[02:45] <linux_galore> udssr: usually adjust the volume on the sound server
[02:45] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, I like hoary because there are dozens of applications upgrades every week;)
[02:45] <MobyTurbo> udssr, check to see if your sound mixer has it muted or low.
[02:46] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, haha
[02:46] <rattboi> hey, where is the x.org config files?
[02:46] <linux_galore> /mer means sound mixer sorry
[02:46] <udssr> thats, what i thought...i pulled everything up and still nothing comes
[02:46] <MobyTurbo> udssr, mute isn't activated? If it is it doesn't matter what the volume level is.
[02:47] <udssr> no
[02:47] <linux_galore> rattboi:  /etc/X11/
[02:47] <rattboi> linux_galore: I looked in there, and it just looks like Xfree86 stuff
[02:48] <linux_galore> rattboi: XF86Config file doesnt exist anymore or if it does is a link to xorg.conf
[02:48] <MobyTurbo> udssr, the next thing I'd do, assuming the mixer is fine, is check cables.
[02:48] <rattboi> linux_galore: there is no xorg.conf in there :(
[02:49] <linux_galore> rattboi: then you not running x.org
[02:49] <rattboi> that's strange
[02:49] <gloin_> hey
[02:49] <rattboi> I have xorg-common installed
[02:49] <gloin_> I'm trying to install dvdrip but it complains that transcode is needed but not installable
[02:49] <linux_galore> rattboi: might be Xorg.org
[02:49] <gloin_> I just installed transcode from source
[02:49] <gloin_> how do I force the install on dvdrip?
[02:49] <linux_galore> rattboi: might be Xorg.conf oops
[02:50] <rattboi> I checked that too
[02:50] <MobyTurbo> in all the distros I've used it's xorg.conf, all lowers.
[02:50] <rattboi> looks like xorg-xserver isnt installed
[02:50] <gloin_> ...
[02:50] <LinuxJones> gloin_, I have the same problem :(
[02:50] <rattboi> xserver-xorg
[02:50] <gloin_> is there a --force option for apt-get?
[02:50] <linux_galore> rattboi: type X -version
[02:50] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, install x-window-system-core and it will pull in all the important bits.
[02:51] <restrex_> ubuntu rocks :)
[02:51] <restrex_> hehe :P
[02:52] <linux_galore> I like the clean setup for Ubuntu..device side still needs a bit more work but Im fine with it so far
[02:52] <gloin_> I do want to figure out how to get past the falsely-broken dependency on this
[02:52] <LinuxJones> gloin_, Last I checked Ubuntu wanted to install a version of transcode that hadn't even been released by the transcode team :(
[02:52] <gloin_> lol
[02:52] <rattboi> MobyTurbo, I'm already installing xserver-xorg
[02:52] <gloin_> well
[02:52] <gloin_> I have transcode
[02:52] <gloin_> so
[02:52] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, if it's packaged like xfree you need more than that.
[02:52] <LinuxJones> gloin_, the correct version ?
[02:52] <gloin_> I just need to find the textfile that stores the wrong info for the dvdrip package
[02:53] <linux_galore> rattboi: x.org isnt a single package
[02:53] <rattboi> I'll see if x-window-system-core is installed after
[02:53] <gloin_> LinuxJones: I have the current version
[02:53] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, a normal system is both a client and a server.
[02:53] <gloin_> and I'm willing to try a force-install
[02:53] <gloin_> but don't know how
[02:53] <gloin_> so
[02:53] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, plus there's fonts and certain libraries.
[02:53] <rattboi> MobyTurbo: I already had xorg-common
[02:53] <rattboi> ok, well I have to wait for it to finish
[02:53] <gloin_> where are the info files on packages stored?
[02:53] <LinuxJones> gloin_, try to install dvdrip again and check the version number it requires against the version that you installed.
[02:54] <rattboi> MobyTurbo, I'm using synaptic to install the packages
[02:54] <rattboi> x-window-system-core is installed
[02:54] <rattboi> aka, it's got the black square next to it
[02:54] <linux_galore> gloin_: apt keeps its own database
[02:54] <rattboi> but it's also go a star in the black square
[02:54] <rattboi> I'm not sure what the star is for
[02:55] <rattboi> oh, I'm running 4.3
[02:55] <rattboi> and the star means to upgrade
[02:55] <rattboi> I thought that smart upgrade would have caught that
[02:55] <gloin_> linux_galore: that's gotta be a typo
[02:55] <gloin_> in the apt config file
[02:55] <gloin_> lol
[02:55] <linux_galore> gloin_: sorry
[02:56] <linux_galore> gloin_: mind wandering
[02:56] <arzajac> a smart upgrade will not install broken dependancies.
[02:56] <gloin_> what I'm seeing is that it wants transcode "2:0.6.6" but transcode version I have is 0.6.12
[02:56] <gloin_> so someone screwed up an apt file
[02:56] <gloin_> so
[02:57] <gloin_> once again
[02:57] <linux_galore> gloin_: I spend all week dealing with rpm based installs then I get home and play with Ubuntu
[02:57] <gloin_> what do I edit on my own system to fix this?
[02:57] <billytwowilly> linux_galore,  where do you work?
[02:57] <gloin_> or where do I go to download the deb files myself?
[02:57] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  just Nth of Sydney
[02:57] <netsplit> Hehe, your ident is linux_gal ...
[02:57] <rattboi> ok, installing hoary's x-window-system
[02:58] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, no, I mean for redhat, for mandrake, for which rpm based distro? suse?
[02:58] <rattboi> seems the right one
[02:58] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  Manhate
[02:58] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: Debian on the email server
[02:58] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, manhate? mandrake?
[02:58] <gloin_> anyone here know how to take control over a broken apt package on the local system?
[02:58] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: yep
[02:58] <rattboi> ok, now I got xorg.conf
[02:59] <arzajac> gloin_ Download the source packages  There are three files per package
[02:59] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, 10.1 is a pile of crap. I'm a mandrakeclub member and it made me switch to ubuntu... even after signing up again and paying them money....
[02:59] <gloin_> arzajac: where can I download them from?
[02:59] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, I shall not say another word about it to you though unless you wish to discuss it.
[02:59] <arzajac> pool
[02:59] <gloin_> for hoary
[03:00] <gloin_> pool?
[03:00] <rattboi> well, let me restart X to see if the update worked
[03:00] <arzajac> Just a minute.  I'll get a url for you...
[03:01] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: Ive got 10.1 working the download version is total crap but I got a hacked up version from a local supplier with new packages
[03:02] <arzajac> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[03:02] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, I'm not switching back. ubuntu fits my philosophy more closely and is not a steaming pile of crap...
[03:02] <gloin_> thanks arzajac
[03:02] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  I cant believe mandrake soft released 10.1 Official with a totally unstable version of KDE 3.3 optioned on the 4th CD
[03:03] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, that quote should be on the Ubuntu website :D
[03:03] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  they kicked me of the irc server I had like 30 bugs
[03:03] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: the mandrake guys
[03:05] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: yeah Ubuntu is more stable....but I cant get the Gnome Desktop to float with the users though
[03:05] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, kicked you off the irc server?
[03:05] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, I like KDE more than gnome. if ubuntu switched to KDE I'd be happier.
[03:06] <gloin_> billytwowilly: I'm running KDE on hoary and it works great
[03:06] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: yep said i was disrespectful  Im like... what is "you running" Enligntenment with no icons got to do with Mandrake not working properly and auto mounting stuff and putting an icon on the desktop
[03:06] <billytwowilly> gloin_,  but it's 3.2.3...
[03:07] <JStrike> billytwowilly : Then why do you not use Linspire?
[03:07] <gloin_> billytwowilly: whine...
[03:07] <gloin_> JStrike: I take issue with that
[03:07] <gloin_> =P
[03:07] <arzajac> gloin_:  I can't find the source packages.  WHen you do, you need the dsc and the original tar.gz and a .diff (if there is one)  Download the three and unpack them (dpkg-source -x filename.dsc)
[03:07] <JStrike> billytwowilly : Or all the other KDE based debian based distros
[03:07] <billytwowilly> gloin_, 3.3.4 is coming out soon... still having 3.2.3 as the latest is disgraceful
[03:07] <JStrike> gloin_ : Why?
[03:07] <linux_galore> I like the Ubuntu community your not all self involved your "normal"
[03:07] <gloin_> lol
[03:07] <billytwowilly> JStrike, linspire is a bigger pile of crap than mandrake....
[03:08] <gloin_> I have yet to get an answer to the apt-get problem in #debain
[03:08] <gloin_> that channel's almost as rude as #perl, and that's saying a lot
[03:08] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  kde 3.3 is hopeless for me 3.2.3 works better
[03:08] <JStrike> billytwowilly : Then on of the other KDE based debian based distros
[03:08] <LinuxJones> gloin_, I will agree with you with that statement
[03:08] <arzajac> gloin_: Edit the control file in the debian directory.  The build the package (dpkg-buildpackage)
[03:08] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, I was running 3.3.1 on suse 9.1 and it was sweet
[03:09] <billytwowilly> JStrike, like what? mepis?
[03:09] <linux_galore> ooh like simplymepis..........yeah Ive got simplymepis on my to try list...its like Ubuntu but KDE based
[03:09] <gloin_> crikey
[03:09] <gloin_> I can't find the friggin .deb package
[03:09] <JStrike> Xandros, Lycoris, etc
[03:09] <gloin_> this is for hoary by the way
[03:09] <billytwowilly> mepis appears to be much less supported than ubuntu
[03:09] <billytwowilly> xandros and lycoris are horrible.
[03:10] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: get simplymepis
[03:10] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: Ubuntu is to Debian as simplymepis is to mepis
[03:11] <billytwowilly> and how is mepis compared to debian?
[03:11] <linux_galore> Simply Mepis has been getting soem good reviews I noticed
[03:12] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: simplymepis is a easy to use install very to the point install and has a good selection of open source software and its debian based
[03:12] <linux_galore> but steers the KDE path
[03:12] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, is it synced with debian like ubuntu is every once in a while?
[03:13] <linux_galore> no Im not trolling just yacking i havent tried simply mepis yet
[03:13] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  dont know
[03:13] <restrex> e :)
[03:14] <linux_galore> noticed Ubuntu got some nice reviews too thats what made me want to try it
[03:15] <linux_galore> sick of cluttered installs
[03:15] <cbpye_> hmm... is glibc available in a .deb somewhere or is it in some repository?  I gotta upgrade mine.
[03:16] <crimsun> libc6
[03:16] <crimsun> and why do you need to upgrade from warty's or hoary's?
[03:16] <cbpye_> doom3
[03:16] <cbpye_> requires 2.2.4 I think.
[03:16] <crimsun> um
[03:16] <cbpye_> I believe the one with warty is 2.1
[03:17] <crimsun> no
[03:17] <Nivlem> Trying to add marillat to synaptic bombs..even though I am following the instructions at ubuntulinux.org...I used unstable since I am using Hoary?
[03:17] <crimsun> it's definitely 2.3.2
[03:17] <cbpye_> oh
[03:17] <cbpye_> well then
[03:17] <cbpye_> I should be in the clear.
[03:17] <cbpye_> wonder why the .run file told me it was 2.1.something
[03:17] <crimsun> you're confusing Debian Woody with Ubuntu Warty
[03:18] <Nivlem> All I need to do is be able to play streamed music with totem-xine, or gmplayer
[03:18] <crimsun> and even then Woody has 2.2.5-11.5
[03:20] <Earthe1> anybody now of a good walk through on how to setup java
[03:20] <Nivlem> Earthel: Yeah read the wiki and ubuntulinux.org
[03:20] <gloin_> my god what a bunch of assholes in #debian
[03:20] <Earthe1> ok
[03:20] <Earthe1> i'll look
[03:20] <Earthe1> thanks
[03:21] <arzajac> gloin_:  just download the sources and modify the control file in the build directory
[03:21] <gloin_> arzajac: thanks - will try
[03:22] <arzajac> gloin_:  It will screw up your system, but...
[03:22] <gloin_> lovely
[03:22] <gloin_> I suppose I could also try filing a bugreport...
[03:23] <cbpye_> W00T
[03:23] <cbpye_> doom3 ran
[03:25] <vigilanty> Hey, anybody know of some good debian ftp sites to browse thru?
[03:26] <arzajac> What do you mean ftp sites?
[03:27] <MobyTurbo> vigilanty, just add the universe, multiverse, and marillat repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list and you'll get access to over 14,000 programs.
[03:28] <arzajac> You can see a great many apt sources at apt-get.org
[03:29] <MobyTurbo> arzajac, it's not a good idea to mix Debian and Ubuntu repositories.
[03:29] <arzajac> Hey, he asked for debian ftp sites...
[03:29] <MobyTurbo> at any rate, most of the apt-get.org stuff is backports for Debian stable.
[03:29] <crimsun> MobyTurbo: correct. It's most certainly not a good idea unless you wear a flame-retardant suit and know what you're doing.
[03:30] <arzajac> I agree,
[03:30] <blahrg> what is a good mail server to run on ubuntu, easy to configure and add users and domains...
[03:31] <MobyTurbo> blahrg, ubuntu includes postfix, which a lot of people say is easy.
[03:31] <blahrg> it includes it or is it a package?
[03:31] <MobyTurbo> blahrg, includes it as part of the base and is installed by default.
[03:32] <blahrg> ok cool, i appreciate it, i have tried everything, i am used to qmail but someone has always got it up and running for me with scripts
[03:32] <blahrg> so i am trying to do it on my own :D
[03:32] <blahrg> thanks for the help
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> np
[03:33] <vigilanty> thanks all...
[03:33] <Pugio> hello Ubuntu
[03:33] <Pugio> I have a question concerning installation
[03:33] <Pugio> I have just installed Ubuntu from the i386 install CD
[03:34] <rattboi> well, looks like xorg is working
[03:34] <Pugio> there were no problems, everything was fine
[03:34] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, great. :-)
[03:34] <Pugio> now, I want to install Ubuntu on another machine I have that has no CD or Floppy drive
[03:34] <vigilanty> how do i access /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:34] <Pugio> the system does however support network booting
[03:34] <MobyTurbo> vigilanty, with any text editor.
[03:34] <calamari_> anyone familiar with grub?  I'm trying to get it to act like lilo where it doesn't wait around for a menu choice, if I want the menu I need to hold shift down
[03:34] <MobyTurbo> vigilanty, or you can do it with synaptic
[03:35] <Pugio> The problem I have is, while I can network the Ubuntu machine with this machine, I can't connect either machine to the internet
[03:35] <rattboi> X -version doesn't really say xorg anywhere big, but it does point you to wiki.x.org for help
[03:35] <Pugio> so... Can I do a netboot install from one machine to the other, without going through the net?
[03:35] <rattboi> calamari, add hiddenmenu
[03:36] <rattboi> and set a low timeout
[03:37] <Pugio> ok, I'll restate this into a single line
[03:37] <vigilanty> yes i use synaptic...
[03:37] <Pugio> Question: How can I perform a netboot install from one Ubuntu machine to a blank machine, without going through the net
[03:37] <rattboi> you mean through the internet, right?
[03:38] <Pugio> right
[03:38] <Pugio> without going through the internet
[03:38] <rattboi> I mean without the internet
[03:38] <Pugio> yes
[03:38] <MobyTurbo> vigilanty, setings > repositories
[03:38] <Pugio> 1 machine has it installed, the other doesn't, I can network both together but I can't connect either to the internet
[03:38] <Pugio> the blank machine does support network booting
[03:39] <calamari_> rattboi: thanks :)  looks like I need to install lilo... esc?  what were they thinking ? hehe
[03:41] <rattboi> anyone know why it takes like 20 seconds before xchat starts connecting to anything?
[03:41] <rattboi> I'm assuming it's trying IPv6 first, but I'm not sure
[03:41] <Pugio> ah well then
[03:41] <Pugio> no Ubuntu for me:(
[03:41] <rattboi> Pugio: sorry, I don't know about netbooting
[03:41] <thoreauputic> rattboi: probably an ident delay
[03:41] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, if it's taking longer than usual it could be your firewall settings blocking ident.
[03:41] <Pugio> Not your problem rattboi:)
[03:42] <Pugio> it's just funny how there's always soooo many people in a chat channel, and soooo fe actual active ones
[03:42] <rattboi> MobyTurbo, thoreauputic: how to fix?
[03:42] <Symbolix> I have a HP computer that I'm trying to install Ubuntu on. I put the CD in, and select it from the boot menu, btu Windows loads instead.
[03:42] <thoreauputic> rattboi: frankly I don't bother - I just wait :)
[03:42] <rattboi> unblock port 113 or whatever?
[03:42] <rattboi> ah
[03:42] <thoreauputic> doesn't take long
[03:42] <rattboi> I guess so...
[03:42] <tommie_> where's the keyboard shortcuts file?
[03:43] <azz> Pugio:  How big is the hard drive on the target computer?
[03:43] <tommie_> for gnome
[03:43] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, I think make it do a RST on 113, I'm not an iptables guru, sorry.
[03:44] <Pugio> Symbolix
[03:44] <rattboi> hmm, well, you know more than I, since I don't know wtf you'r talking about :P
[03:44] <rattboi> I'll just leave it for now
[03:44] <Symbolix> So how am I to install Ubuntu w/out the CD
[03:44] <Pugio> do you have your bios set to boot from CD first?
[03:44] <Symbolix> Pugio: Yes
[03:45] <Pugio> azz: Not sure of the size, at least 5gb but probably a lot more (if that helps)
[03:45] <azz> Pugio:  Would you be able to do a knoppix-type poor man's install where you dd the iso image onto the hard drive and then boot it?
[03:45] <Symbolix> Pugio: I read about downloading Debian install floppy images, but when I tried sending them to a freshly formatted floppy the floppy was not big enough
[03:45] <azz> Is there an OS in this computer now?
[03:46] <Pugio> azz: that may work,
[03:46] <MobyTurbo> Symbolix, you don't copy the file, you dd or rawrite it.
[03:46] <Pugio> azz: well, thats the problem, what's on there now is a half broken version of Win 98
[03:46] <Pugio> azz: I'm not quite sure how to go about doing that form of install from a Win 98 machine
[03:47] <azz> Can it access your other machine?
[03:47] <Pugio> azz: Well, I haven't checked yet, but let
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Pugio: sounds like you need the rawrite program for your floppies, unless you can dd them in linux
[03:47] <Symbolix> MobyTurbo: Uhhh what?
[03:47] <Pugio> azz: ...but let's assume taht it can
[03:48] <Pugio> thoreauputic: for my floppies? I said, it has no floppy drive (or CD drive)
[03:48] <MobyTurbo> Symbolix, they are raw floppy images. You use rawrite or dd to record them to a floppy.
[03:48] <azz> I gotta go... Do a google search on knopix "poor man's install"  Sorry...
[03:48] <Pugio> azz: no problem
[03:48] <Symbolix> MobyTurbo: Ok, never heard of rawrite or dd
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Pugio: ah , sorry, I was confusing you with someone else :)
[03:49] <Symbolix> Moby: Googled it, I got it now
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Symbolix: rawrite is quite easy to use
[03:49] <MobyTurbo> Symbolix, you'll need rawrite for DOS, if you have Linux or another Unix you'd use dd.
[03:50] <rattboi> ok, there's just a few more things I'd like to set up
[03:50] <Symbolix> Ok, I found the Win32 version. So Ill just convert the imgs and pop in the floppys to install.
[03:50] <rattboi> how many people could browse their smb shares "out of the box"?
[03:51] <MobyTurbo> Symbolix, it reads the image and writes it to floppy. No converting is done.
[03:52] <rattboi> if I access the shares directly, aka smb://ben/D_DRIVE it will work
[03:52] <rattboi> but smb://ben doesn't show any shares
[03:52] <rattboi> and when it does work, it's really slow
[03:53] <bur[n] er> smb:/ben
[03:53] <bur[n] er> ?
[03:53] <bur[n] er> is that a windows box? or linux box with smb shares?
[03:53] <rattboi> windows
[03:53] <bur[n] er> do smb:/ben/sharename
[03:53] <rattboi> I know that
[03:54] <bur[n] er> for some reason, nautilus doesn't do well on top level
[03:54] <bur[n] er> oh right
[03:54] <bur[n] er> i didn't read that ;)
[03:54] <bur[n] er> i have the same issue
[03:54] <rattboi> most of the time it works ok, but it's way slow
[03:54] <bur[n] er> it's what keeps me in kde
[03:54] <bur[n] er> that and amarok/juk of course
[03:54] <rattboi> I don't konw what amarok is
[03:54] <bur[n] er> (stupid rhythmbox and it's lack of duplicate removing)
[03:55] <rattboi> but I like the gnome interface a lot, I really wish this worked
[03:55] <bur[n] er> amarok == mp3 player
[03:55] <bur[n] er> gnoem is prettier and more responsive to me
[03:55] <bur[n] er> but the apps aren't there
[03:55] <rattboi> gay gay gya
[03:55] <bur[n] er> hrm... ok
[03:55] <rattboi> not you
[03:55] <rattboi> lol
[03:56] <rattboi> not that it's a bad thing
[03:56] <MobyTurbo> gnome has a lot of good applications, if you count gtk.
[03:56] <bur[n] er> i know, i have a gf
[03:56] <rattboi> hey, me too
[03:56] <rattboi> sweet
[03:56] <bur[n] er> i do count gtk
[03:56] <bur[n] er> i just want rhythmbox and nautilus to be better
[03:56] <bur[n] er> and a cd burner of course
[03:56] <MobyTurbo> use xmms. :-)
[03:57] <MobyTurbo> I use cdrecord directly, though k3b is nice.
[03:57] <rattboi> if I want to access smb shares in xmms, I need to mount them somewhere, huh?
[03:57] <bur[n] er> beep is better than xmms for me... but not as functional as juk or amarok
[03:57] <bur[n] er> rattboi: yes
[03:58] <JStrike> Nah.  Muine is the answer
[03:58] <bur[n] er> muine is decent, but where's id3 tag editing in it
[03:58] <JStrike> Especially with the burning patch
[03:59] <JStrike> When GStreamer supports it, it will come
[03:59] <JStrike> Same as rhythmbox
[03:59] <MobyTurbo> !start an mp3 player war
[03:59] <MobyTurbo> oops, I thought this was #debian. ;->
[03:59] <Quest-Master> !start a what is the best midi player war
[04:00] <bur[n] er> JStrike: i know
[04:00] <bur[n] er> rhythmbox would be my answer
[04:00] <freemymind> hi everyone
[04:01] <bur[n] er> but... id3 tag editing and duplicates are a pain
[04:01] <bur[n] er> hi freemymind
[04:01] <freemymind> how is everyone?
[04:01] <Quest-Master> Rhythmbox acts retarded on my computer
[04:01] <bur[n] er> frustrated
[04:01] <rattboi> I'm ok
[04:01] <freemymind> hehe same here :P
[04:02] <bur[n] er> rhytmbox doesn't have an easy way to just scan a dir for mp3s
[04:02] <freemymind> whats wrong with XMMS?
[04:02] <freemymind> ahh
[04:02] <bur[n] er> too basic
[04:02] <Amaranth> rhythmbox doesn't work for me with hoary
[04:02] <bur[n] er> and beep-media-player is better than xmms
[04:02] <Amaranth> says "Pad problem. File a bug."
[04:02] <freemymind> well I am total ubuntu n00b..just installed today..must say it rocks so far
[04:03] <freemymind> just trying to get gallery and phpbb2 up and running
[04:03] <Amaranth> i think those are available as packages
[04:03] <freemymind> yeagh
[04:04] <freemymind> I am sorta used to them...came from a working gentoo install with them...but some of the setings are confusing me I supose
[04:21] <farruinn> can xmms play aac files?
[04:22] <Gmail> does ubuntu build php 5 with mysql enabled?
[04:23] <LinuxJones> Gmail, I can't imagine it not :D
[04:24] <tommie_> is there a file where I can define my own keyboard shortcuts in gnome?
[04:24] <farruinn> tommie_ have you seen Computer>Desktop Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts?
[04:24] <LinuxJones> farruinn, yes but you need to download something like RealPlayer
[04:25] <tommie_> farruinn: yes, but no way to set my "Media" key, I want it to load xmms
[04:25] <Gmail> LinuxJones: because the php package now has it disabled and not included
[04:26] <umarmung> tommie_, use gconf-editor, you can set the shortcuts under /apps/metacity
[04:27] <tommie_> umarmung: thanks, i'll look into it
[04:29] <Eno-Master> I have ordered some for myself and friends, and am using the download now.
[04:32] <Amaranth> PHP identifies itself as "PHP/4.3.9-1ubuntu1" when running with Apache!
[04:33] <SirBastard> I'm not sure how the numbers are generated, but can someone check the default x-y sizing for Firefox on a 1280x1024 monitor, and make it shorter so I don't have to move the panel to the right of the screen to get to the bottom for resize :-p
[04:37] <Eno-Master> My problems is that I can't print from OpenOffice 1.1.2.  The test page is beautiful, but can't print anything else.
[04:40] <Eno-Master> That one put everyone to sleep.
[04:41] <SirBastard> No
[04:41] <SirBastard> Believe it or not
[04:41] <SirBastard> They were already asleep
[04:42] <SirBastard> I'd help, but I don't have a printer installed myself to test with
[04:42] <SirBastard> What happens if you fire up the OO Printer Administrator?
[04:42] <freemymind> no printer setup on linux here yet eather
[04:42] <freemymind> sorry
[04:43] <Eno-Master> I am wondering if uninstalling OOo 1.1.2 and installing OOo 1.1.4 RC1 could fix it?
[04:43] <SirBastard> Depends on what the problem with the printer is..
[04:44] <SirBastard> I suppose I should grab my brothers printer and plug it in.. But that involves moving it, and finding cables :-p
[04:44] <Q-FUNK> am I the only one to whom gnome is complaining that it cannot find /dev/pmu ?
[04:45] <Eno-Master> If I knew what was wrong and how to troubleshoot it, then I would.
[04:45] <Eno-Master> Yes
[04:45] <LinuxJones> Eno-Master, >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2384.html
[04:47] <Amaranth> wtf is /dev/pmu?
[04:47] <|QuaD|> hey, i am looking for a system that I can remotely put up calendar/contacts/etc and i can view it remotely, kindalike groupware, but i want it to integrate with a pim (evolution, thunderbird/sunbird) any suggestions?
[04:48] <Amaranth> oh, its a mac thing
[04:48] <Symbolix> I am using a floppy to install Ubuntu, and it says there is a mismatch between the installer and the archive. Im guessing I need to dl different images? What versions?
[04:48] <Amaranth> Q-FUNK: What are the permissions for /dev/pmu?
[04:48] <Amaranth> Does it exist?
[04:48] <Q-FUNK> Amaranth: it exists, but only when I don't run udev.
[04:48] <Amaranth> Q-FUNK: Ok, I'm lost. I don't even know what udev is. :P
[04:49] <rattboi> ok, I got samba to mount my smb share on another computer
[04:49] <rattboi> now the question is how to do it on startup?
[04:49] <Symbolix> So basically, what version of Debian is the Ubuntu distribution cd compatible with?
[04:50] <Amaranth> Symbolix: None,
[04:50] <Symbolix> Then im lost
[04:50] <farruinn> Symbolix, well it's based off unstable
[04:50] <farruinn> if that's what you mean
[04:50] <Amaranth> farruinn: Not really.
[04:51] <Symbolix> It doesnt matter. What to I need to do in order to get the installation to read the kernels off the cd?
[04:53] <Symbolix> Download another version of the floppy images?
[04:54] <SirBastard> rattboi: You need to make an entry in /etc/fstab for it. Careful how you do it tho. One way put's your password in that file which is world readable I think.. You should be able to store the password in a seperate text file
[04:56] <Amaranth> Symbolix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[04:58] <Symbolix> thx
[05:00] <freemymind> sorry for n00b question anyone have a link to setup phpbb2 and or gallery ...still searching myself but any help would be greatly appriciated
[05:03] <jmiux> Hello everyone! Do you know if in the live CD, there is a way to save the configuration as in knoppix so ubuntu can load all my preferencces at star up from hd?
[05:05] <freemymind> sorry I dont know
[05:06] <calamari> hi
[05:06] <jmiux> hello
[05:07] <calamari> I'm trying to install lilo, but grub doesn't seem to want to let go.  For some reason my system still boots with grub even after lilo -v.  Anyone successfully gotten rid of grub?
[05:08] <jmiux> How can I play MP# in ubuntu???
[05:08] <EugeneK> I'm trying to get suspend to ram working (Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop/Hoary). I downloaded the ACPI scripts at <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto>, and I can successfully suspend with a lid close, although it yells at me about "orinoco_lock". When I wake up, though, I just get a blank screen. Do I need to unload some modules before suspending?
[05:08] <jmiux> sorry, MP3, jeje
[05:09] <calamari> jmiux: beep-media-player
[05:09] <calamari> or xmms
[05:10] <rattboi> is adding a samba share to my fstab gonna work?
[05:10] <calamari> don't private msg please
[05:10] <jmiux> ok, no problem
[05:11] <EugeneK> jmiux: try installing gstreamer0.8-mad (MP3 support isn't installed out of the box in ubuntu, for ideological reasons)
[05:11] <calamari> it does not come with ubuntu, no
[05:11] <tommie_> any way to snap windows to corners or other windows in gnome?
[05:11] <nexl> jmiux go there http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[05:11] <nexl> and follow thew instructions. step by steps
[05:11] <jmiux> ok, thanx
[05:11] <rattboi> I guess I'll just have to reboot to find out...
[05:13] <nexl> jmiux this might interest you also: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[05:14] <Eno-Master> Linuxjones, thanks, I'll try to play with that later.  Exit Stage Left.
[05:15] <tommie_> oh i see, with the shift key :)
[05:19] <nameles> Hello... this is my first time here... I just installed Ubuntu today.... it is stet at the highetst resolution 1600x1200 by default. I can sent it down to a lower resolution but the next time I reboot it's back to 1600x1200 again. How do I make my setting stick?
[05:20] <SirBastard> nameles: How are you changing the resolution down?
[05:20] <nameles> Syetsem Configuration -> Screen resolution
[05:21] <Gmail> ok i have a friend he wants stupid xpde installed on ubuntu
[05:21] <SirBastard> nameles: Ticked the box marked Make default for this computer?
[05:22] <Gmail> anyone know where i can find a .deb ?
[05:22] <thoreauputic> Gmail: surely you jest?
[05:22] <SirBastard> nameles: I've not done any of this by the way, just exploring and asking the obvious..
[05:22] <nameles> Yes, I did tick the box.
[05:23] <Gmail> thoreauputic: jest?!?
[05:23] <seraph> anyone on hoary and knows how to disable autohinting ?
[05:23] <seraph> I am losing my mind over these crappy fonts
[05:24] <SirBastard> nameles: Hmm..
[05:24] <sls> soooo.... who is the samba expert?
[05:24] <SirBastard> nameles: Just discovered I only have an option of 60hz.. Silly thing
[05:24] <SirBastard> sls : Ask, and I may answer
[05:24] <sls> I mounted a smb file system using mount -t smbfs...
[05:25] <sls> cool it worked..
[05:25] <sls> but permissions are not ok
[05:25] <thoreauputic> Gmail: dict jest:  Usage: To {Jest}, {Joke}. One jests in order to make others
[05:25] <thoreauputic>             laugh; one jokes to please himself.
[05:25] <nameles> At 1280X1024 I get 75hz but it is different for eah resolution
[05:25] <sls> from a windows machine it is ok... and through gnome
[05:26] <sls> not via the mount command thugh
[05:26] <wasabi_> Has anybody had any luck with Ubuntu printing?
[05:26] <sls> dear SirBastard... have you a cue?
[05:26] <wasabi_> I add a Windows printer, and NOTHING happens.
[05:26] <wasabi_> No icon appears.
[05:26] <sls> clue
[05:26] <SirBastard> sls : What does just typing mount tell you about the mounted filesystem?
[05:28] <EugeneK> I'm trying to get suspend to ram working (Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop/Hoary). I downloaded the ACPI scripts at <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto>, and I can successfully suspend with a lid close, although it yells at me about "orinoco_lock". When I wake up, though, I just get a blank screen. Do I need to unload some modules before suspending?
[05:28] <sls> "//isis/stephans /home/stephan/home-on-isis type smbfs (rw)"
[05:28] <stuNNed> EugeneK, disable agp
[05:29] <EugeneK> stunned: how?
[05:29] <bur[n] er> anyone using gparted?
[05:29] <SirBastard> sls: Hmm, well that seems to think the filesystem is mounted read/write.. When you say the permissions are bad, give an example?
[05:30] <sls> for example: I can not access one of my own folders...
[05:30] <sls> it is restricted (770)
[05:30] <SirBastard> sls : Yes, but do you get a permission denied? Or?
[05:30] <sls> groups stephans:stephans
[05:30] <sls> yes -- permission denied
[05:31] <freemymind> anyone have any quick hints/links for phpmyadmin, phpbb2 or gallery setup links? ...Im still looking /strugling with those
[05:31] <sls> if I ss to my server is see my name in the user and group field...
[05:31] <stuNNed> EugeneK, install nvidia drivers then in device section of your x config put Option "NvAGP" "0" also you can blacklist the modules
[05:31] <sls> on the share however is only see the user id (500)
[05:32] <SirBastard> sls : And yet it works from windows you say?
[05:32] <sls> yes
[05:32] <SirBastard> sls : How are you mounting it? What's the mount command you use?
[05:32] <nexl> sls what is your UDI on the server and on your ubuntu?
[05:33] <nexl> sls UID and GID
[05:33] <SirBastard> nexl : If he mounted using a username and password, that shouldn't matter, that would only matter if this was NFS..
[05:33] <sls> mouont -t smbfs -o username=stephans //isis/stephans ~/home-on-isis
[05:33] <sls> nexl: 500 500
[05:33] <sls> insteand of mu name
[05:33] <sls> my
[05:34] <nexl> SirBastard KI know but I have the EXACT same problem hwere
[05:34] <hypegt> anyone know how to reset perl locales? getting errors after upgrading to hoary
[05:34] <SirBastard> sls : Just try explicitly stating read/write, make it -o username=stephens,rw
[05:35] <sls> ok
[05:36] <SirBastard> The mount command seems to suggest that that's the case already, but it can't hurt..
[05:36] <nexl> SirBastard good idea
[05:36] <SirBastard> nexl: Cool, well, with a bit of luck we'll fix yours too :-p
[05:36] <EugeneK> stunned: so...I sould put intel_agp & agpgart into /etc/hotplug/blacklist? Sorry for newbie-ish q's
[05:37] <nexl> SirBastard I mount my samba share via fstab and since using ubuntu I've lost access to my directories
[05:37] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i am not joking he really wants xpde but i just pointed him to gnome.org/learn maybe he will stay with gnome know
[05:37] <Gmail> *now
[05:38] <SirBastard> nexl : Mind pasting your fstab entry? Blat out any passwords in there
[05:38] <thoreauputic> Gmail: yes, well I can't imagine any Debian based distro making xpde available as packages :)
[05:38] <Gmail> thoreauputic: me nether i am asking if anyone knows where to find one
[05:39] <nexl> SirBastard //mother/homes /home/greg/MOTHER/greg/ smbfs credentials=/home/greg/.smbcredentials,uid=greg,gid=greg 0 0
[05:39] <thoreauputic> Gmail: there are XP ish themes floating around...
[05:39] <sls> ok i am going to dosapear for a few moments... i hve to re log in...
[05:39] <grif2010> hi guys! i have downloaded some .mov files but all my players play it without sound and xine says: wine/module: Unsupported QuickTime version (0x6693c3e0). Is there something i can do to make it work?
[05:39] <nexl> sls ok
[05:39] <stuNNed> EugeneK, what i did was blacklist them both, is there a third? , installed nvidia's propriatary drivers, then added that line to x config file, agp didn't get loaded and can suspend and wake on 8200
[05:39] <sls> I thught that UID's could have been the issue and changed mine to match the sesrver
[05:39] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i know but he doesn't know howto use gnome
[05:40] <Gmail> he think if he hits computer while download his download will stuff up
[05:40] <nexl> SirBastard I've tried using the UID and GID on the server instaed of names but to no avail
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Gmail: hey, it won't kill him to learn *grin*
[05:40] <Gmail> he is so use to winbloze that he think linux sucks as much
[05:40] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i told him that
[05:41] <SirBastard> nexl : Cool, just trying to mount my FreeBSD server here at the moment.. Will let you know how it goes
[05:41] <EugeneK> stunned: ahh...I see. If that works -- cool. You'll be my new best friend :)
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Gmail: well if he thinks Linux sucks why is he interested in it at all?
[05:41] <EugeneK> This has been driving me crazy for the better part of a week...
[05:42] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i told him i can save him $200 + $500 (for office) and get hundreds more apps
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Gmail: hehe... show him some screenshots !
[05:43] <grif2010> i have downloaded some .mov files but all my players play it without sound and xine says: wine/module: Unsupported QuickTime version (0x6693c3e0). Is there something i can do to make it work?
[05:43] <hypegt> Anyone here upgraded to hoary? got a weird error midupdate
[05:43] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i need a good theme for him any links for some?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Gmail: well, look at art.gnome.org perhaps - I run Fluxbox ... :)
[05:45] <SirBastard> nexl: Ok... That's entertaining.. I don't seem to have samba.. I would have thought that was a default...
[05:45] <SirBastard> Hmm
[05:45] <Gmail> thoreauputic: .deb ?
[05:46] <nexl> SirBastard, HaHa!
[05:46] <SirBastard> Something is odd here
[05:46] <|icu|> Whenever I open a specific text file in gedit it instantly crashes giving failing an assertion with pango and is_font. It is a text file with no special characters just a bit of xml with one very long line.
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Gmail: themes aren't really debs, usually. Do an apt-cache search gtk-engines and gnome-themes-extras I'd say
[05:46] <|icu|> Ideas?
[05:47] <|QuaD|> how come ubuntu repos don't have Nvu on it?
[05:47] <Xenguy> |icu|: try another editor?
[05:47] <|icu|> i can open it in nano
[05:47] <Gmail> |QuaD|: because you didn't make a .deb for it
[05:47] <|QuaD|> haha
[05:48] <Xenguy> |icu|: guess the problem is a bug in gedit; file a bug report?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> |icu|: if you have universe enabled, try apt-cache search scite for a nice little GUI editor :)
[05:50] <nexl> SirBastard, it is very annoying
[05:50] <SirBastard> nexl: Yeah, something is rather odd about this
[05:51] <nexl> SirBastard, whats more from Nautilus I don't see my home on the server
[05:52] <nexl> I can type the url directly ,it pops a username + password
[05:53] <nexl> SirBastard, which i fill out
[05:53] <nexl> and it dies there
[05:55] <SirBastard> nexl: If you go to standard share and login, then browse again, does it show up?
[05:55] <nexl> but the fstab mount is there, directories whit strict permission 700 cannot be browsed
[05:55] <SirBastard> Fun
[05:56] <SirBastard> I'm a sysadmin by trade, I don't use this desktop stuff ;-)
[05:56] <nexl> SirBastard, what do you mean standard --> smbmount?
[05:57] <SirBastard> nexl: Sorry, I mean if you go to a visible share, and login to that, if you browse again, does your home become visible?
[05:58] <nexl> SirBastard, no
[05:58] <[BTM] gee> is there anyone that knows about a program thats like acdsee ? so that you can use photoslide ?
[05:59] <nexl> SirBastard the samba server setup is simple; a /home/common directory for the household
[05:59] <nexl> and each users gets an exclusive /home/username space
[06:00] <SirBastard> nexl : Ahh
[06:00] <thoreauputic> [BTM] gee: I don't know acdsee - is it a picture viewer with a slideshow function? If so check out gqview
[06:00] <[BTM] gee> tnx thoreauputic
[06:00] <nexl> SirBastard, _nothing has changed, on the server side, libranet and before knoppix were quite happy with this setup
[06:01] <nexl> SirBastard, In fact i saved the libranet fstab and copied/pasted the smb stuff into ubuntu fstab
[06:04] <Dekkard> /j #mac
[06:04] <SirBastard> nexl : Hmm, well I can browse my samba shares from Nautilus OK, but can't do it from the command line..
[06:05] <nexl> SirBastard did you just cd into them or did you typed smbclient ....
[06:06] <nexl> SirBastard, Ah this is interresting... ALL of my directories on the server are seen as belonging to my gf
[06:06] <SirBastard> Oops
[06:06] <SirBastard> That won't help
[06:07] <nexl> SirBastard, hang on one sec
[06:08] <redeyes> howdy pardners
[06:08] <nexl> SirBastard, the UID and GID are not in sync
[06:08] <redeyes> i was wondering if i could get a little help with a Dlink 520+ wifi card
[06:08] <redeyes> acx100 drivers supposedly
[06:09] <nexl> SirBastard, on the server side : grep josee /etc/passwd
[06:09] <redeyes> anyways mine dosent seem to detect and get the card working
[06:09] <nexl> josee:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/josee:/bin/bash
[06:09] <SirBastard> nexl: And you have them forced in your mount command... Can you try removing those UID and GID entries? You shouldn't need them..
[06:09] <nexl> on  the client (ubuntu) grep greg /etc/passwd
[06:10] <nexl> greg:x:1000:1000:greg,,,:/home/greg:/bin/bash
[06:10] <redeyes> if i modprobe acx100, module is not found
[06:10] <redeyes> not sure what to do next
[06:11] <nexl> SirBastard, I;ll try that out in the morning thanks and goodnight
[06:11] <SirBastard> No probs
[06:11] <SirBastard> Night
[06:13] <redeyes> can anyone help with the acx100 driver problem i am having?
[06:15] <redeyes> well guess ill format and go on to another distro
[06:19] <Karthik085> My Screen resolution is set to 640*480 for my 1024*768 laptop. What do I have to change in XF86Config-4?
[06:20] <redeyes> forget it
[06:20] <redeyes> worthless channel
[06:20] <netsplit> Karthik085: open up your config file and look for 640 and add 1024 768 there ...
[06:22] <Vigilanty> anybody know anything aboout ezquake?
[06:22] <Vigilanty> i need help getting it to work on my pc...
[06:31] <Vigilanty> how would I have synaptic package manager see a repository on my harddrive?
[06:32] <bronson_> Vigilanty: what are you trying to do?
[06:32] <bronson_> If it's on your hard drive, why not just run "dpkg -i"?
[06:36] <blahrg> ok i am trying to find an easy to install/use email server. any help, or just some help with postfix?
[06:37] <lev> Hey, can anyone help me with my sound on my laptop?
[06:38] <|QuaD|> how do i check what packages i have installed?
[06:38] <sls> ok i am back...
[06:39] <lev> COmputer , system configuration, syntapic package manager
[06:39] <housetier> |QuaD| dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[06:39] <housetier> but synaptics is the better choice
[06:39] <lev> synaptic*
[06:39] <bcaesar> How do I change my clock to localtime, it seems to consistently default to UTC?
[06:39] <|QuaD|> iwanted to know using dpkg thanks :)
[06:39] <lev> Can anyone help me with my sound on my laptop?
[06:39] <|QuaD|> how can i remove all packages that were installed with evolution?
[06:39] <|QuaD|> other then doing them seperately
[06:40] <lev> :(
[06:40] <blahrg> ok i am trying to find an easy to install/use email server. any help, or just some help with postfix?
[06:40] <lev> can anyone help me?
[06:45] <lev> Can someone please help me with sound?
[06:54] <crimsun> lev: what sound chipset?
[06:54] <lev> i have a Dell inspiron 8600
[06:55] <lev> um... its intergrated
[06:55] <Karthik085> What do I have to modify in Config file to change 640*480 to 1024*768 for my Screen Resolution?
[06:56] <lev> AC'97 Audio COntroller
[06:58] <SirBastard> Karthik085: Can't just use the control panel?
[06:59] <crimsun> lev: intel sound chipset, possibly? I need one line from lspci -v
[07:00] <lev> what line
[07:00] <lev> yea it is intel
[07:01] <netsplit> Karthik085: dpkg -reconfigure xserver xfree86 <- that doesn't look quite right.
[07:02] <netsplit> dpkg-reconfigure is one word.
[07:02] <crimsun> lev: so are you using snd-intel8x0?
[07:02] <crimsun> lev: make sure _snd-intel8x0m_ is _not_ loaded
[07:03] <lev> i dont know what that is..
[07:04] <lev> how do imake sure>
[07:05] <|QuaD|> is sunbird in our repos?
[07:06] <farruinn> |QuaD|, apt-cache search sunbird will tell you
[07:10] <Syberius> hi there, I am having a problem getting my oracom mp3 player to work in ubuntu, i need the stroage access for my college work
[07:11] <Syberius> i have looked into device settings and it is registered as being there, I just dont know how to get access to it or even mount it
[07:13] <crimsun> lev: lsmod|grep snd_intel8x0m
[07:13] <blahrg> ok i am trying to find an easy to install/use email server. any help, or just some help with postfix?
[07:15] <lev> isnd_intel8x0m          18632  0
[07:15] <lev> snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[07:15] <lev> snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[07:15] <lev> snd_page_alloc         11144  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[07:15] <lev> snd                    50660  10 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[07:17] <mbb> looking for a wifi scanner and connection manager - suggestions?
[07:18] <JConnell> mbb: http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=332
[07:20] <mbb> JConnell: thanks, will check that out. do you know offhand if it works with atheros wifi cards, (ath0)?
[07:21] <Syberius> does SCSI support come configured with ubuntu or does it have to be added by the user?
[07:21] <lev> i know this is kind of a dumb question, but java script works in ubuntu right?
[07:21] <JConnell> mbb: Yep, I'm using one with it right now :)
[07:21] <crimsun> lev: you mean in moz-firefox? sure.
[07:21] <crimsun> lev: and yes, there's your problem: snd-intel8x0m is loaded.
[07:21] <lev> well i have had many problems with the output of my HTML in moilla...
[07:21] <lev> mostly colors.
[07:21] <lev> so how do i get rid of it?
[07:21] <mbb> JConnell: OK! thanks.
[07:21] <crimsun> lev: you need to reboot, and disable the printer port and the modem in bios.
[07:22] <lev> Okay thank you very much!
[07:22] <crimsun> lev: additionally, you need to blacklist snd-intel8x0m so it's not loaded.
[07:22] <crimsun> lev: after that, sound will magically work.
[07:22] <ogra> mako ?
[07:22] <lev> Thanks!
[07:33] <sls> how do I make it so that every one can mount remote file systems?
[07:33] <sls> anyone?
[07:33] <sls> Buler?
[07:33] <sls> who
[07:33] <mbb> JConnell: I'm back... the site hosting wifi_radar-1.1.tar.gz is not up - do you have the .gz handy??
[07:33] <Vigilanty> how do i mount a fat32 file system using ubuntu?
[07:34] <sls> how do I make it so that every one can mount remote file systems?
[07:35] <sls> munt -t vfat ...
[07:35] <sls> mount... i mean...
[07:36] <Vigilanty> how do i figure out what dev it is?
[07:37] <sls> "/dev/hd(ide#)(partition#)"
[07:37] <Syberius> do fdisk -l
[07:37] <Syberius> it will tell you what partitions/drives are under what /dev/
[07:37] <sls> so in most cases... "dev/hda1"
[07:37] <sls> how do I make it so that every one can mount remote file systems?
[07:38] <Vigilanty> how do i list my dev/hda's?
[07:38] <sls> c: = "dev/hda1"
[07:38] <sls> d: = "dev/hda2"
[07:38] <sls> etc..
[07:39] <blahrg> ok i am trying to find an easy to install/use email server. any help, or just some help with postfix?
[07:39] <sls> i suck at post fix...
[07:39] <sls> how do I make it so that every one can mount remote file systems?
[07:40] <farruinn> sls why did you repeat yourself?
[07:41] <sls> farruinn: because no one answered... so i tought that i'd ask again...
[07:43] <Syberius> no one got any ideas on how to get an mp3 player to show?
[07:43] <Syberius> as in USB
[07:48] <Vigilanty> i still can't mount it...
[07:48] <Vigilanty> i know it's hda 4, 5, or 6...
[07:48] <Vigilanty> but none of em work...
[07:49] <MobyTurbo> Vigilanty, # fdisk -l
[07:49] <Vigilanty> hunh?
[07:49] <MobyTurbo> Vigilanty, fdisk -l displays your partition table.
[07:49] <Vigilanty> i see...
[07:49] <Vigilanty> now how to mount hda5
[07:49] <Vigilanty> ?
[07:50] <MobyTurbo> I missed your earlier messages, so I don't know what type of filesystem the correct partition has.
[07:51] <Vigilanty> fat32
[07:51] <Vigilanty> i type mount -type vfat /dev/hda5...
[07:51] <Vigilanty> but it doesn't seem to work...
[07:51] <MobyTurbo> no, don't put it as -type. Put it as -t
[07:52] <Vigilanty> i meant -t...
[07:52] <Vigilanty> i do that already.
[07:52] <MobyTurbo> does the mount point (which you didn't mention) exist?
[07:52] <Vigilanty> yes...
[07:53] <MobyTurbo> what error do you get?
[07:53] <Vigilanty> fdisk -l shows me that...
[07:53] <Vigilanty> i get this...
[07:54] <MobyTurbo> Vigilanty, please don't flood the channel
[07:54] <ogra> mako: ping ...
[07:54] <Vigilanty> wait...
[07:54] <Vigilanty> i think i got it.
[07:54] <Agrajag> Vigilanty: You seem obsessed with ellipses, yet you don't know how to use them.
[07:54] <Vigilanty> forgot the destination mount point...
[07:55] <Vigilanty> habitual.
[07:56] <ChibiFS> Shineyspoon
[08:02] <Gmail> after a reboot hoary looks even yummer
[08:04] <|QuaD|> anyone here use sunbird or nvu?
[08:09] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3307060179/
[08:09] <farruinn> that's for installing nvu
[08:10] <|QuaD|> i read that... i am suprised we don't have it on a repo
[08:10] <farruinn> it doesn't look to me as though sunbird is in warty though
[08:10] <|QuaD|> not in hoary either
[08:11] <farruinn> :-/
[08:11] <|QuaD|> still time
[08:12] <farruinn> if not hoary then grumpy
[08:12] <farruinn> I haven't used sunbird, but judging from mozilla's site it's still in a rather early stage of development
[08:12] <|QuaD|> there is still time for hoary though
[08:12] <|QuaD|> 1.0 is about to be released
[08:13] <farruinn> well I've never used it, I'm just going by what mozilla says on its own site
[08:17] <g0d> does anyone know how to fix this:
[08:17] <g0d> root@ubuntu:/home/g0d # firestarter
[08:17] <g0d> (firestarter:32236): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[08:17] <farruinn> are you opening firestarter from a terminal in gnome?
[08:17] <K-otiK> yea
[08:17] <farruinn> or one of the virtual terminals?
[08:18] <K-otiK> no virtual terminal
[08:18] <K-otiK> terminal at my computer
[08:18] <K-otiK> it happens with most GUI's
[08:19] <farruinn> firestarter obviously has to be started as root, but does $ foo do this too?
[08:19] <Todd_MA_1975> K-otik: try (as a regular user - instead of root) gksudo firestarter
[08:19] <gnurt> have a snapshot iso for ubuntu?
[08:20] <K-otiK> still happens as a regular user
[08:20] <K-otiK> it happens with gedit and ethereal
[08:20] <K-otiK> and it says critical when i try to open xmms
[08:21] <Todd_MA_1975> K-otik: if the display is owned by g0d, then g0d has to run all the apps in it....  it looks like you are trying to be root first then loading the app.
[08:22] <Rattboi> does anyone know if the playlist font size in beep media player is part of the skin or a seperate setting?
[08:22] <Todd_MA_1975>  K-otik: if you just open a normal terminal and type gedit do you still get the error?
[08:22] <K-otiK> yes
[08:23] <K-otiK> how do i tell if my display variable is correct?
[08:23] <K-otiK> i guess if it works/.... but how do i fix that?
[08:24] <Rattboi> nevermind, found it in the users guide
[08:24] <Todd_MA_1975> K-otiK: echo $DISPLAY
[08:24] <Todd_MA_1975> K-otiK: should be :0.0
[08:24] <K-otiK> there was nothing shown
[08:24] <K-otiK> just skipped a line, but nothing
[08:26] <Todd_MA_1975>  K-otiK: export DISPLAY=:0.0
[08:33] <freemymind> sorry to bug you all, anyone have tome to help me with phpbb2 install? phpmyadmin is working and I am going over and over instrutcions..but cant seem to get it
[08:33] <freemymind> *time
[08:46] <lev> ok i have a question
[08:47] <lev> about flash... can you do flash on ubuntu?
[08:47] <farruinn> are you using ppc?
[08:47] <farruinn> or x86
[08:47] <lev> who?
[08:47] <lev> me?
[08:48] <farruinn> yeah =)
[08:48] <lev> oh.. haha
[08:48] <farruinn> there is no flash for ppc afaik
[08:48] <lev> um.. x86?
[08:48] <lev> i supose..
[08:48] <lev> yea.
[08:48] <lev> x86
[08:48] <lev> :)
[08:49] <calamari> hi
[08:49] <calamari> do joysticks work in linux?
[08:49] <lev> depends
[08:49] <farruinn> honestly I think your best bet is to download flash from macromedia's website
[08:49] <lev> not flash player.. like to actual do flash
[08:49] <lev> lol
[08:50] <farruinn> oooooh, I think there's a project for that, but I dont think you'll find it in any of the Ubuntu repos
[08:50] <lev> damn.. :(
[08:50] <lev> :'(
[08:50] <lev> I hate how windows just keeps in its grasp one program at a time..
[08:51] <freemymind> anyone have phpBB2 working?
[08:52] <bob2> it's known to be pretty buggy
[08:52] <bob2> at least fro mthe number of advisories Ive sen
[08:53] <freemymind> would you recomend or is there a alternative?
[08:53] <bob2> all forum software has seemed dodgy ime
[08:54] <bob2> mailing list would be my actual suggestion :)
[08:54] <lev> Hey, how do i install flash
[08:55] <lev> i still dont got the hang of it.. :(
[08:55] <ogra> bob2: already in mataro ?
[08:55] <bob2> ogra: nah, just working up the energy to ead to heathrow
[08:55] <Rattboi> anyone know what's unstable in hoary?
[08:55] <bob2> lev: wiki.ubuntu.com/ResitrictedFormats
[08:55] <Rattboi> I'm using it and it seems to be going perfectly
[08:55] <lev> thanks.
[08:55] <bob2> Rattboi: lots of stuff.
[08:55] <bob2> like umount
[08:55] <bob2> and the gnome panel
[08:56] <Rattboi> hmm, actually I think you're right
[08:56] <Rattboi> I screwed gnome by moving a panel to the right too far
[08:56] <Rattboi> :P
[08:56] <ogra> bob2: do you know why mako hasnt uploaded the keys for the keysingning party ? my flight goes off in an hour....still nothing to download.....
[08:56] <Rattboi> and I get some message about umount every time I shut down
[08:56] <Rattboi> something about a seg fault
[08:56] <bob2> yes, umount is segfaulting for a lot of people for some reason
[08:57] <Rattboi> how do I check my shutdown logs?
[08:57] <bob2> and making very weird shit happen
[08:57] <bob2> ogra: hm, I dunno, that's a good point
[08:57] <farruinn> ogra, have fun in Mexico!
[08:57] <Rattboi> what werid shit?
[08:57] <ogra> farruinn: you mean the european mexico ?
[08:57] <ogra> hehe
[08:57] <farruinn> what?
[08:58] <bob2> Rattboi: like preventing /proc being mounted on reboot
[08:58] <farruinn> Huh....
[08:58] <ogra> farruinn: barcelona isnt mexico afaik......but we will see, if my flight is longer than 3hrs i will belive you :)
[08:59] <farruinn> I'll just chalk that one up to the fact that it's 3:00 AM here ;-)
[08:59] <ogra> hehe
[09:01] <bob2> ogra: I'll ask him if I see him
[09:01] <bob2> my mail is screwed atm
[09:01] <ogra> bob2: if there is a printer in mataro i'm fine :) i think i have to go in the next half hour to catch the plane :)
[09:02] <Rattboi> I haven't noticed anything weird on reboot yet
[09:02] <Rattboi> except a partial print of something during hotplug
[09:02] <Rattboi> looked like a network thing
[09:04] <bob2> ogra: hehe, there will be
[09:04] <bob2> and I should off soon, too, so cya there :)
[09:05] <ogra> great ;)
[09:06] <neopark> hello, i have a few quick questions about setting up ubuntu on a power mac w/ 250mhz 256mb ram and 2 1gb scsi drives w/ a scsi cd rom
[09:07] <Rattboi> damn, 250mhz
[09:07] <farruinn> I've got him beat - if only by a bit - at 233
[09:07] <farruinn> what's up neopark?
[09:07] <lev> How do you change the icon for the intial drop down menu?
[09:07] <lev> O can you?
[09:09] <neopark> well i wanna have os 8.5 on it also so i am gonna need a yaboot
[09:09] <neopark> or is there a netboot installer
[09:09] <farruinn> this is an oldworld mac, right?
[09:10] <bob2> old world requires bootX, not yaboot
[09:10] <neopark> oh yeah power mac 7300
[09:10] <fluxy> Hello folkz. I have been having problems with the Ubuntu live cd, my screen goes blank after eveything is loaded. I have a Geforce FX 5200 card. How do I make it run?
[09:10] <bob2> or quik, but be really really careful
[09:10] <bob2> fluxy: try asking on the list
[09:10] <lev> Is there a way to change the icon on the drop down menu?
[09:11] <fluxy> ok thx
[09:11] <farruinn> neopark, check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallOnOldWorldMacs
[09:13] <neopark> cool read that and saved it as .txt i guess my main consern is how much disk space does ubuntu take up ?
[09:13] <neopark> cause i only have 2 1gb drives
[09:13] <Rattboi> is smb browsing still broken in nautilus?
[09:14] <farruinn> well you can split your filesystem across the two drives of course
[09:14] <lev> Hey! Is there a way to change the icon of the first drop down menu?
[09:15] <farruinn> lev, you asked that same question only 4 minutes ago...
[09:16] <lev> and no one answered...
[09:16] <lev> :(
[09:16] <lev> so i asked again
[09:16] <lev> i hopes that someone would answer this time.
[09:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> lev: probably
[09:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> sorry
[09:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> the answer is YES
[09:16] <lev> ... how?
[09:16] <lev> Ok.. well how
[09:17] <farruinn> neopark, I think you'll have to do the "advanced" install once you get the installer going so you can select only the most essential packages
[09:17] <farruinn> I haven't done that though, so I don't know how to do it :-/
[09:17] <neopark> cool so i havent used any debain based distros on mac in quite a while, how does this one run? all i am prolly gonna use it for it checking e-mail and irc.
[09:17] <neopark> cool thx farruinn
[09:17] <neopark> i was wondering if i coudl choose the packages or not
[09:18] <farruinn> neopark: I have it on a beige g3 and it runs awesomely - sound and X worked immediately
[09:18] <ogra> ciao guys...
[09:19] <neopark> cool
[09:19] <neopark> that's great
[09:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> lev: I'm not sure tbh
[09:22] <lev> tbh?
[09:22] <calc> its somewhat useful to be able to scan for viruses you get in email ;)
[09:23] <calc> tbh == to be honest
[09:23] <farruinn> calc, viruses on linux?
[09:23] <farruinn> coming in your email?
[09:23] <daniels> Gmail: there are many ways to get help.  and that was not it.
[09:23] <calc> farruinn: in email yes
[09:23] <calc> they don't magically stop getting sent to you in email because you run linux
[09:23] <calc> i usually get ~ 1.5GB/mo
[09:24] <farruinn> ah, I see
[09:24] <calc> of course around 98% of those are from debian.org
[09:24] <farruinn> so you're seriously talking about getting viruses in the mail that could infect your machine?
[09:25] <calc> no i would like to be able to tag them so they can be deleted which is what a virus scanner does...
[09:25] <calc> its in universe so no big deal for me, but i was surprised its not in main
[09:26] <calc> farruinn: the viruses would infect a windows machine yes, i get around 1000-1500 of them a day
[09:26] <calc> due to the fact debian.org doesn't filter viruses itself
[09:27] <farruinn> ok, for a bit I thought you meant you were getting viruses that were malicious to linux
[09:29] <anon> evening everyone
[09:29] <anon> i'm trying to install warty on my laptop without luck so far
[09:29] <Rattboi> evening
[09:29] <anon> the installer hangs with acpi enabled and without it, the laptop overheats and turns itself off
[09:29] <anon> any ideas?
[09:29] <jamaas> can anyone tell me the best place to put/install jdk ?  I don't seem to find it with synaptic but went and got it from Sun, however don
[09:30] <calc> anon: try updating your bios if possible
[09:30] <anon> i know it is not a hardware problem coz freebsd and windows work just fine
[09:30] <jamaas> oooops, don
[09:30] <anon> tried that but still nothing
[09:30] <calc> oh :\
[09:30] <jamaas> don't think I want it in my home directory, any suggesstions?
[09:30] <anon> the laptop is a hp paviallion 4502us
[09:31] <anon> really frustrating coz i know everything else works
[09:31] <farruinn> jamaas, /usr/local
[09:31] <jamaas> farruinn: thanks, will put it there!
[09:31] <farruinn> good place for things not installed by apt because nothing you install with apt will be put there
[09:31] <anon> the only suggestions google has come up with is using fedora
[09:31] <anon> but i'd really prefer to use ubuntu on my laptop and desktop
[09:31] <jamaas> anon: I just joined and run ubuntu on a hp pavillion notebook, what is your problem?
[09:32] <anon> hi jamaas
[09:32] <calc> anon: what did it suggest doing on fedora to make it work?
[09:32] <anon> well first off, the installer hangs with acpi enabled
[09:32] <anon> without acpi the machine overheats and turns itself off
[09:32] <anon> google just said it works out of the box with fedora
[09:32] <calc> on freebsd it has acpi enabled?
[09:33] <anon> calc: yes acpi is enabled with freebsd
[09:33] <calc> sounds like a missing workaround for some bug in the hp dsdt
[09:33] <jamaas> anon: this won't help much but it installed correctly on mine, are you partitioning your disk and putting it on along side MS Win?
[09:34] <anon> i nuked my xp partition but there still is an ntfs partition with some data on it
[09:34] <anon> the ntfs partition was not mounted at start time
[09:34] <calc> if it works on fedora it would be due to them having extra patches or using a newer kernel (unlikely)
[09:34] <anon> thing is i've only made it through the install once
[09:34] <anon> every other time the machine just turned itself off
[09:35] <anon> the laptop randomly turns off on average every 10 minutes with bot the warty install cd and the live cd
[09:35] <jamaas> anon: what is your cpu chip, mine is intel p4 2.8, is yours AMD or something slightly different?
[09:35] <anon> mine is amd 2400xp
[09:35] <anon> running at 1.7ghz
[09:36] <jamaas> anon: I'm so new to this I can't even remember but there is another power management system as well, would it do what you want?  I guess its hard to find out if you can't load the distro?
[09:37] <anon> yeah i tried foooling around with apm but that doean't seem to work either
[09:37] <anon> and yes it is difficult to troubleshoot when the machine turns itself off randomly
[09:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> I imagine so
[09:38] <jamaas> anon: digressing here, have you checked for a bios update for that chipset?
[09:39] <anon> i applied the latest bios update from hp before attempting the installation
[09:39] <anon> are you suggesting getting a bios update directly from amd?
[09:39] <mouu> hi
[09:39] <anon> or from phoenix, the company that does the current bios
[09:39] <calc> no hp is where the update would be from
[09:39] <anon> yeah i applied their latest update
[09:40] <calc> or whoever hp gets the laptop from
[09:40] <calc> eg emachines/gateway uses arima
[09:40] <jamaas> anon: not suggesting anything, have no idea, just fishing.  Can you set some of things to be off completely from the bios, until you get the distro loaded?
[09:40] <mouu> sombody of you use amd64 + nvidia ?
[09:41] <anon> the bios is pretty locked down
[09:41] <anon> the only things that i can change are pretty much the amount of system memory that iwant to set aside for graphics
[09:41] <anon> and a few other things
[09:41] <omac> Yesterday, I installed an ubuntu ppc...xine/dvdrip/mplayer have dependency issues and don't install from aptitude.  Anybody have any suggestions.
[09:41] <anon> like usb legacy support which is off by default i think
[09:42] <farruinn> omac, warty? I installed gxine no problem...
[09:43] <farruinn> probably have to enable universe and/or multiverse for those
[09:43] <omac> farruin...on ppc?
[09:43] <farruinn> yes
[09:43] <jamaas> anon: wish I could help, unfortunately am out of my depth.  I would suggest you persevere a little because Ubuntu seems very good to me and the community is very helpful, help me a great deal
[09:43] <farruinn> omac, have you enabled universe/multiverse?
[09:43] <anon> thanks for your help jamaas
[09:44] <omac> faruuinn I did go edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncommented the multiverse apt get lines, then did an update but I got dependency issues.
[09:45] <farruinn> try installing only one of them at a time
[09:45] <omac> faruuin...along with some broken packages on the dependent libraries.  I also tried installing them one at a time with no success from aptitude.
[09:47] <farruinn> you may want to run a sudo apt-get check
[09:48] <omac> farruinn...I will try next friday to simply use the debian unstable repositories from within ubuntu.   How bad does it break ubuntu if I do this?  what does apt-get check do differently from doing the update from aptitude?
[09:49] <farruinn> apt-get check will try to fix any broken dependencies you already have
[09:49] <omac> farruinn...I was running all this stuff from a root prompt so I didn't need sudo.
[09:49] <farruinn> ok
[09:50] <farruinn> using the Debian repos could get you into even more trouble though
[09:50] <omac> doesn't aptitude do this automatically?  I went into the aptitude settings miscellaneous and there is an option enabled that does exactly what you are talking about.
[09:51] <omac> farruinn...yes you are right considering the version numbers and labels would be different in each of these repositories for all the packages.
[09:51] <farruinn> is that what it's choking on then or is it choking on broken deps for the packages you're trying to install?
[09:53] <sherman> small question
[09:53] <sherman> I'm trying to install the C-Media drivers so I can get sound from my Asus board
[09:53] <omac> farruinn...there was a totem video player that was installed with the original ubuntu but it didn't support divx .avi files.  gx-xine and all the different flavors of xine had dependency pBa written beside them.
[09:54] <sherman> and the instructions that C-Media gives are kind of old, and don't really apply
[09:55] <farruinn> omac, I couldn't get gnome-xine to work, but gxine installed fine
[09:55] <farruinn> I haven't played any divx or avi's with it though
[09:55] <|QuaD|> farruinn: no totem-xine?
[09:55] <|QuaD|> thats my player of choice
[09:55] <omac> I suggest you do attempt to play one.  I attempted with totem and did not play divx avi's.
[09:56] <|QuaD|> omac: not totem-gstreamer
[09:56] <omac> totem was installed by default with ubuntu.
[09:56] <|QuaD|> totem-xine
[09:56] <farruinn> not totem-xine however
[09:56] <|QuaD|> totem-gstreamer was
[09:56] <omac> farruinn...I mean totem-xine.
[09:56] <|QuaD|> totem-xine was not installed with ubuntu by default
[09:57] <omac> Quad thanks for correcting me.  I don't have the ibook g4 here.  It's at my friends place.
[09:57] <|QuaD|> oh
[09:58] <farruinn> avi works for me
[09:59] <|QuaD|> xine plays everything for me
[09:59] <farruinn> |QuaD|: you use a ppc?
[09:59] <omac> farruin...Quad...the person who owns the ibook g4 knows nothing about mac osx and computers and has an extremely open-mind about trying linux.  She saw my debian x86 box and loved what I could do with it.
[09:59] <|QuaD|> nope
[09:59] <|QuaD|> x86
[10:00] <|QuaD|> if she doen'st know anything about comps... i would probably say debian isn't for her (nor is ubuntu)
[10:00] <|QuaD|> one of the dummy linux's (like linspire) might be better
[10:00] <farruinn> |QuaD|: looks like totem-xine is only available as source for ppc
[10:01] <farruinn> omac OS X isn't enough unix for her?
[10:01] <omac> Quad...once ubuntu is installed correctly, there is no reason for end users to avoid it.  It's just the install and configuration that's tricky in my opinion.
[10:01] <|QuaD|> really? that stinks... looks like you will be compiling it
[10:01] <|QuaD|> omac... no reason for me to argue
[10:01] <Rattboi> omac: what did you do in debian that impressed her?
[10:02] <farruinn> omac, I did the same thing for a friend who had never even seen linux before but I get questions very frequently
[10:02] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: probably nothing that every other distro doesn't have
[10:02] <omac> I demo'd dvdrip/xine/grip/ices2/icecast2/vlc/openoffice/gimp....need I say more?
[10:02] <Rattboi> I mean what did you do with linux that she couldn't do with osx?
[10:03] <Rattboi> I got VLC/OO.org/Gimp on OSX easily
[10:03] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: do you agree ubuntu might not be the best idea
[10:03] <Rattboi> well, I know OSX basically rules most of the time
[10:03] <Rattboi> and most of that software will either run natively, or you can install fink + X11
[10:03] <farruinn> a lot of the time you don't even need fink
[10:04] <Rattboi> I got KDE running on OSX flawlessly
[10:04] <|QuaD|> omac: i reccomend somethign like xandros or linspire
[10:04] <freemymind> is php4 easy to upgrade to php5? or possible?
[10:05] <omac> I'm not here to contradict you however that said fink and mac os x are not the linux source base.  if source bases stay unified to linux there is more chance for portability quickly.  The bottom line whatever I have running on my debian box will run on her box.
[10:05] <|QuaD|> but omac, the point is, it might not be the best plan for her
[10:05] <omac> xine isn't running on this ibook g4 ubunto linux box yet...but it will soon.
[10:05] <Rattboi> I missed the beginning of this topic
[10:05] <Rattboi> is this gonna be on a x86 box?
[10:05] <sherman> Has anyone configured a C8738 under ubuntu before?
[10:05] <|QuaD|> it might be more beneficial to use something simpler
[10:05] <sherman> can't seem to get it to work
[10:06] <|QuaD|> whats that
[10:07] <Rattboi> yeah
[10:07] <Rattboi> what?
[10:07] <Rattboi> :P
[10:07] <Agrajag> it's an integrated sound card
[10:07] <Agrajag> and it should just work, mine did
[10:07] <sherman> it's a C-Media audio output on an older Asus board
[10:07] <|QuaD|> ok
[10:07] <sherman> well, it's recognized
[10:07] <sherman> and alsamixer seems to find it
[10:07] <sherman> but I can't get any sound out of it
[10:08] <anon> anyone here know anything about acpi?
[10:08] <|QuaD|> anon: ask a question
[10:08] <|QuaD|> don't just ask if anyone knows anything
[10:08] <|QuaD|> we all probbly know OSMEHTING
[10:08] <omac> sherman...you're on an x86 box right?  I've seen this sound module before.  If you search for module sound C8738 you will find the right module to load up.
[10:09] <anon> ok, ubuntu cannot be installed on my laptop with acpi enabled
[10:09] <freemymind> anyone have phpbb working?
[10:09] <anon> but without acpi, the laptop overheats very quickly and turns itself off randomly
[10:10] <anon> does anyone have any ideas?
[10:10] <sherman> complete linux newbie, how do I do that?
[10:10] <anon> the laptop works fine with winxp and freebsd
[10:10] <farruinn> anon you could take the case off and blow on the cpu a lot so it doesn't overheat ;-)
[10:10] <Agrajag> take the case off of a laptop?
[10:11] <anon> i'd like to give that a try farruinn but it is 4.10 am here and i have been at this for the past 5 hours
[10:11] <Agrajag> Can you lower the CPU speed in the bios?
[10:11] <anon> nope
[10:11] <anon> the bios that hp provides is very gimpy
[10:12] <anon> the biggest "feature" in it is to set how much ram can be diverted for graphics
[10:15] <omac> it's not the hardware module...it's your permissions.  As root ......addgroup <your account> audio
[10:16] <omac> Sherman...that was meant for you.
[10:16] <sherman> already a member of audio =\
[10:17] <omac> how about groups sound or sound-users?
[10:20] <sherman> don't exist
[10:20] <omac> Sherman...ok.  Sorry about that.
[10:21] <omac> Sherman did you try something like this:  http://www.cmedia.com.tw/linux/RedHat-61.htm
[10:22] <sherman> yeah, that's the one I downloaded
[10:23] <sherman> but I'm a bit lost on the instructions
[10:26] <linux_galore> just wondering whats the maximum amount of drives you can have in an atx system running a 2.6 kernel
[10:26] <linux_galore> just I have someone with a CD stacker rig and it wont go past 26 in Linux
[10:26] <wood1> Hi to all
[10:27] <Rattboi> hda-hdz?
[10:27] <wood1> I am using Hoary and I only get a resolution of 640 x 480
[10:28] <wood1> Before Hoary, Warty was OK at 1024 x 768
[10:28] <wood1> Can somebody help me out ???
[10:29] <linux_galore> Rattboi:  yeah thats 26 drives
[10:29] <|QuaD|> wood1: in general we don't support hoary... are you using xfree or xorg?
[10:30] <|QuaD|> (ie did you upgrade correctly)
[10:30] <linux_galore> Rattboi:  he has 6 cd stackers each with 5 CD's in it.....he's making a juke box but he is maxing out at 26
[10:30] <wezzer> shit, windows 2k broke my ubuntu installation
[10:30] <wood1> Well I am using Xorg
[10:30] <|QuaD|> lol
[10:30] <|QuaD|> do you have error logs?
[10:31] <wood1> Well I don't have any error logs
[10:31] <|QuaD|> ok then you make it difficult for us to help ya
[10:31] <wood1> It's only that I don't see the Screen options of greater than 640 x 480 ?
[10:31] <|QuaD|> do you have your config files setup correctly?
[10:32] <wood1> Which config files ?
[10:32] <sherman> any other ideas on the audio?
[10:32] <Lathiat> Anyone know what the ATI drivers are liek on linux[xorg] , getting a laptop tomorrow and pondering between the nvidia or ati card
[10:32] <daniels> Lathiat: depends on the model
[10:32] <Lathiat> umm
[10:32] <Lathiat> 9600 mobility
[10:32] <|QuaD|> wood1: xorg
[10:32] <Lathiat> "pro turbo"
[10:32] <wood1> How do I change the screen resolutions in Xorg ?
[10:32] <omac> sherman....there seems to be a snd-cmpci module for debian/ubuntu which seems to be integrated in alsa.
[10:33] <wood1> well, xorg.conf seems to be fine
[10:33] <|QuaD|> change the config file
[10:33] <Lathiat> daniels:
[10:33] <linux_galore> hmm looks like 26 drives is all Linux can do on x86
[10:33] <|QuaD|> only 26?
[10:33] <|QuaD|> good thing i have 25
[10:34] <Rattboi> :)
[10:34] <whiprush> daniels: my X40 came in, your packages work great. :D
[10:34] <wood1> QuaD, the xorg.conf fine seems OK
[10:35] <|QuaD|> wood1: then you must have an error
[10:35] <wood1> You mean Errors while I am logging in X Windows ?
[10:35] <|QuaD|> your xorg error log
[10:36] <wood1> I don't see an xorg error log
[10:36] <wood1> What is the name of the log file ?
[10:36] <|QuaD|> its in /var/log
[10:38] <sherman> omac: thanks, that worked
[10:38] <Rattboi> sherman: what worked?
[10:39] <Rattboi> just curious
[10:39] <sherman> depmod snd-cmpci got the sound output working
[10:39] <wood1> QuaD, I don't have any idea after looking at the error logs
[10:39] <daniels> whiprush: sensational :)
[10:39] <daniels> Lathiat: 2d will work flawlessly, 3d is only with fglrx
[10:39] <Rattboi> is X40 a webcam?
[10:39] <wig> im switching to slackware
[10:39] <whiprush> heh, the speaker is pretty horrible though
[10:39] <wood1> Everything works fine but I get a screen resolution of only 640 x 480
[10:39] <daniels> Rattboi: laptop
[10:39] <wig> nothing against ubuntu, but it's against the 2.6.n kernel
[10:39] <|QuaD|> wood1: put it online so i can look
[10:40] <Lathiat> daniels: whats fglrx?
[10:40] <|QuaD|> also put your xorg config file
[10:40] <kremlyn> Anybody know how to get Ubuntu/Gnome working on dual screen?
[10:40] <Rattboi> http://www.rafb.net/paste/
[10:40] <Lathiat> daniels: basically im trying to decide if it would it be better to go an nvidia?
[10:40] <omac> sherman...you're welcome...btw I have another link for you to look at FYI http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=C-Media&card=.&chip=CMI8338%2C+CMI8738&module=cmipci
[10:40] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: me
[10:40] <Agrajag> Lathiat: yes yes yes
[10:40] <Agrajag> ATi's drivers suck
[10:40] <wood1> QuaD, there are 3 Xorg error logs
[10:40] <Lathiat> yeh thats what i thought
[10:40] <kremlyn> QuaD: What do I need to do? Both cards are supported and appear in Dmesg
[10:40] <Lathiat> didnt really know tho
[10:40] <|QuaD|> do the one that isn't .x
[10:40] <|QuaD|> where x is a number
[10:41] <daniels> Lathiat: fglrx are ati binary drivers
[10:41] <Lathiat> daniels: ah right
[10:41] <daniels> they're a pain in the arse to configure sometimes, but meh
[10:41] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: 1 card
[10:41] <Lathiat> daniels: see id want 3d, and i really want spanning
[10:41] <Lathiat> daniels: do they do spanning?
[10:41] <kremlyn> QuaD: Won't work with two cards?
[10:41] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: i did it with 1 card... i have 2 outputs
[10:41] <daniels> Lathiat: yes
[10:41] <kremlyn> oic..
[10:41] <wood1> The nearest log is of the name of:   Xorg.0.log
[10:42] <kremlyn> Quad: Did you need to edit the xfree86 config?
[10:42] <Lathiat> cool
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: it hsould be doable
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yeah
[10:42] <wood1> QuaD, that's the name of the Xorg Error Log
[10:42] <daniels> wood1: do you have a savage?
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: how do you want it set up
[10:42] <kremlyn> Hmm, where does that file live?
[10:42] <daniels> wood1: or a trident?
[10:42] <|QuaD|> wood1: what are the 3 names
[10:42] <daniels> in either case, known issue, bleh
[10:42] <thomas_> HI aLL
[10:42] <wood1> No it's a Intel 810
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: /etc/X11
[10:42] <daniels> anyway, I'm going into S3 now, so I'll see you all from Mataro
[10:42] <daniels> wood1: oh, suck
[10:42] <kremlyn> Quad: I'm not even sure what my options are :-/
[10:42] <daniels> wood1: yeah, put up Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: you using nvidia's?
[10:42] <wood1> OK
[10:43] <|QuaD|> daniels: intel810=onboard?
[10:43] <wood1> Where should I paste the log file
[10:43] <kremlyn> Quad: 1 x NVidia Geforce2 MX400 (AGP), 1 x Matrox Millenium 2 (PCI)
[10:43] <wood1> pastebin.com   ?
[10:43] <|QuaD|> wood1: sure
[10:43] <|QuaD|> kremlyn:
[10:44] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: do you have the drivers working seperately for each?
[10:45] <kremlyn> Quad: I'm trying to work that out now
[10:45] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: i would reccomend starting by first getting each one working
[10:46] <|QuaD|> and save the individual config files
[10:46] <kremlyn> Quad: That's good advice, I'll try that. :-) I'm not seeing either in dmesg, perhaps I don't know what to look for
[10:47] <kremlyn> OK, in "Device Manager" both appear
[10:47] <kremlyn> Both seem to be OK.
[10:47] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: i don't know how much longer i am going to be online, do you want a copy of my config files for reference?
[10:47] <|QuaD|> ok.... write down the pci bus numbers
[10:48] <kremlyn> QuaD: That'd be cool
[10:48] <kremlyn> PCI Bus Numbers?
[10:49] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: can i pm you the address?
[10:49] <kremlyn> Sure :-)
[10:49] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yeah... hold on i will tell you how to find the pci bus address
[10:49] <wood1> Quad and daniels, I have just pasted the Xorg.0.log
[10:50] <thomas_> I've got network pb with ubuntu under ACER laptop aspire 1600
[10:50] <|QuaD|> wood1: link?
[10:50] <thomas_> the ifconfig seems to be good but I can't ping anything
[10:51] <thomas_> any body can help me please ?
[10:51] <wood1> http://pastebin.com/126465
[10:51] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: go into device manager then click on one of your video cards
[10:51] <|QuaD|> click advanced
[10:51] <kremlyn> Done..
[10:51] <|QuaD|> do you see a line that is like /sys/devices/pci.....
[10:51] <|QuaD|> what are they for each card?
[10:52] <kremlyn> I see lots of "pci.device"
[10:52] <|QuaD|> are they all the same line though?
[10:53] <kremlyn> ./sys/devices/pci0000 (lots of numbers)
[10:53] <|QuaD|> wood1: if you want are help, listen to what both daniels and i said
[10:53] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: thats what i wanted to see :)
[10:53] <kremlyn> sweet :-)
[10:53] <|QuaD|> (i wanted to know what those numbers were)
[10:53] <kremlyn> oh.. heh, OK hang on
[10:53] <|QuaD|> :)
[10:54] <wood1> Quad and Daniels:  http://pastebin.com/126466
[10:54] <kremlyn> ./sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000/:03:00.0
[10:56] <|QuaD|> wood1: what resolution are you getting?
[10:56] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: for the other card?
[10:57] <kremlyn> OK.. will take a few seconds to type it out
[10:57] <Rattboi> I'm pretty happy with my ubuntu install now
[10:57] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: :)
[10:57] <Rattboi> I *think* the only other thing to do is get DVD playing working
[10:57] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: i am using it.... i have 2 gripes about it (though i forget what my second one is now) but i very much dislike kde
[10:57] <|QuaD|> but i think overall i like ubuntu a lot
[10:58] <|QuaD|> i am satisfied... fills that niche that debian left behingd
[10:58] <Rattboi> btw, I added some samba shares to my fstab. What happens if the shares arent available when I boot?
[10:58] <kremlyn> ./sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:08.0/0000:01:06.0
[10:58] <kremlyn> Quad: That's the second one
[10:58] <|QuaD|> which is the agp one?
[10:59] <kremlyn> The first one..
[10:59] <|QuaD|> ok... and thatis the nvidia?
[10:59] <kremlyn> ./sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000/:03:00.0
[10:59] <kremlyn> Yep
[11:00] <|QuaD|> are you sure the second one is right?
[11:00] <kremlyn> Let me double check..
[11:01] <kremlyn> Quad: Yep, it's correct.
[11:01] <wood1> Quad and Daniels,    Any ideas ???
[11:01] <wood1> Only 640 x 480
[11:01] <|QuaD|> wood1: what resolution are you getting
[11:01] <|QuaD|> wood1: are you sure?
[11:02] <wood1> Yes I am sure
[11:02] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: do you want one big monitor or 2 regular?
[11:03] <kremlyn> QuaD: How do you mean? (I'd like to be able to drag apps between the two, but maximise maximises to one)
[11:03] <kremlyn> And if possible, to spread the panels accross both screens (though I'm not sure if that's possible)
[11:03] <Rattboi> wood1: how do you change res?
[11:03] <kremlyn> I don't want to ask for too much because I'm not quite sure what's possible
[11:03] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: ok... then my config won't help you too much
[11:03] <wood1> I ran the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set the highest resolution from 1024 x 768 to 800 x 600
[11:04] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: that is very possible, not hard
[11:04] <|QuaD|> i just don't know how to do it without researching it (and i can't now)
[11:04] <kremlyn> QuaD: No problem, you've been awesome.  Where do I look? I don't mind reading (the whole point is to learn) ;-)
[11:05] <|QuaD|> hmm... google?the nvidia readme is also really helpful for nvidia drivers (and editing the xfree86/xorg.conf configs)
[11:05] <|QuaD|> wood1: i don't like your config file
[11:05] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: in short, you are going to need 2 devices
[11:05] <Rattboi> |QuaD|, I'm not seeing anything obviously wrong with it
[11:05] <|QuaD|> 2 screens
[11:05] <|QuaD|> grr 1 screen
[11:06] <|QuaD|> and 2 monitors
[11:06] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: make sure that for the 2 devices, you specify the busid
[11:06] <kremlyn> So this is an XFree thing, not a gnome thing?
[11:06] <wood1> Rattboi, I just click>Computer>Screen Resolution
[11:06] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: from looking at it i don't understand how it can go past 800x600
[11:06] <kremlyn> Gnome will "Just work" ?
[11:06] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: 100% xfree
[11:06] <Rattboi> it can't
[11:06] <|QuaD|> yeah
[11:06] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: exactly
[11:07] <Rattboi> but he should get 800x600
[11:07] <Rattboi> he said only 640x480 worked
[11:07] <wood1> Yes Rattboi, that's the problem
[11:07] <wood1> Till yesterday, 1024 x 768 was working too
[11:07] <kremlyn> QuaD: Ahh, I've been googling for "Dual Scren Gnome"
[11:07] <kremlyn> I'll try Dual Screen XFree86
[11:07] <Rattboi> yeah, the Gnome resolution thing is goofy
[11:08] <|QuaD|> but he is claimin he got 10424x768 before
[11:08] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yeah
[11:08] <Rattboi> mine lists a bunch I don't have
[11:08] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: also try #nvidia
[11:08] <|QuaD|> for nvidia help (and they might be able to help you with dual screening)
[11:08] <Rattboi> |QuaD|, I think he reconfigured xfree wrong, but he should still be able to get 800x600
[11:08] <Rattboi> *xorg
[11:09] <Rattboi> wood1: so it's only showing 640x480 in the options?
[11:09] <|QuaD|> wood1: did you even LOOK at your config file before coming to us?
[11:10] <kremlyn> QuaD: Thanks heaps for all your help, I'll play around and see what I come up with
[11:10] <kremlyn> :-D
[11:10] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: no problem, if you have any questions send me a pm, i am around a lot
[11:10] <kremlyn> If I get it to work, I'll write a tutorial on it
[11:11] <kremlyn> *nod* will do, thanks again
[11:11] <|QuaD|> heh :)
[11:11] <jamaas> Anyone here had any experience setting up a SyncML server to connect to a Symbian based phone/pda on Ubuntu?  I'm asking to find out what if any is the simplest way to get a small server for my own personal use on a pc.  I've downloaded sync4j, which looks good but now I'm backtracking trying to get all the JAVA stuff set up, not easy for a newbie!  Any comments?
[11:11] <wood1> Why Quad ?
[11:11] <|QuaD|> wood1: how much memory does your card have?
[11:11] <wood1> It has 4 MB
[11:11] <|QuaD|> wood1: why? because it is CLEARLY not setup to do what you want
[11:12] <Pitr> Can I sync my pocketpc with evolution ?
[11:12] <wood1> It has 4096
[11:12] <|QuaD|> Pitr: did you search the repo for wince or pocketpc?
[11:16] <wood1> Quad, how do I setup Xorg to read my Video Ram as 4 MB or Use 800 x 600 resolution ?
[11:16] <|QuaD|> wood1: ?
[11:16] <wood1> Like I said, it was working fine till yesterday
[11:16] <|QuaD|> wood1: then undo what you did yesterday
[11:16] <Rattboi> wood1: looks like the 4mb ram is in there
[11:16] <wood1> How do I fix the problem ?
[11:17] <wood1> Well I forgot what I did yesterday
[11:17] <Rattboi> wood1: would I be correct in assuming you don't understand the x config file?
[11:17] <Rattboi> why exactly are you running Hoary?
[11:17] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: lol :) i agree
[11:17] <pepsi> hi
[11:17] <wood1> Just for some testing
[11:17] <wood1> and playing around
[11:17] <|QuaD|> wood1: what are you testing
[11:18] <Rattboi> yeah, what are you testing that you couldn't test in Warty?
[11:18] <wood1> Nothing, I am using Hoary just on a test machine
[11:18] <|QuaD|> wood1: why are you running this instead of warty?
[11:19] <Rattboi> I'll admit that I'm pretty noob too, but I could tell that you're not gonna get 1024x768 res with that xorg.confg
[11:19] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: :)
[11:19] <pepsi> whats going on>
[11:19] <kremlyn> Quad: In the BusID section of the xfree config file, is it OK to put "AGP:xx:xx" or even AGP cards must be "PCI:xx:xx" for some reason?
[11:20] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: i believe you should still put pci
[11:20] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yeah, i beleive agp is off the pci bus
[11:21] <wood1> Ok 800 x 600 will be fine for me
[11:21] <kremlyn> Yeah it is :-)
[11:21] <wood1> As I said I configured Xorg to run only at 800 x 600 ?
[11:21] <|QuaD|> wood1: no you didn't
[11:21] <Rattboi> wood1: how do you change res? just using Computer-Settings->Change Resolution?
[11:21] <kremlyn> before I do this manually, would running some kind of script or 'dpkg-reconfigure' do this for me automagically?
[11:22] <|QuaD|> you couldn't understand why it wasn't runing at 1024/768
[11:22] <Rattboi> what happens when you do ctrl-+?
[11:22] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: no
[11:22] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: MAKE SURE TO BACK UP YOUR OLD FILE
[11:22] <kremlyn> *nod*, already done.
[11:22] <|QuaD|> :)
[11:22] <kremlyn> My monitors are the same, I can copy that and add in the lines like: Identifier      "Monitor[1] "
[11:23] <Rattboi> kremlyn, what is the purpose of whta you're doing? I missed it
[11:23] <kremlyn> And I guess the same for the other card, using the last 6 characters..
[11:23] <Rattboi> dual monitor support?
[11:23] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yea
[11:23] <kremlyn> Rattboi, Dual Screen with two different cards
[11:23] <Rattboi> huh
[11:23] <Rattboi> does that work in Windows?
[11:23] <kremlyn> Yep
[11:23] <Rattboi> I've only seen dual monitor setups from single cards
[11:24] <kremlyn> This has worked in Win2k/XP fine
[11:24] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: its possible
[11:24] <kremlyn> I had to use for this year's Uni
[11:24] <kremlyn> But now my thesis is in, I am back to UNIX. (I'm from OpenBSD background, but only with one monitor)
[11:24] <|QuaD|> www.zeitgeist.us
[11:24] <melazyboy> bah what is this about
[11:24] <melazyboy> when i try to open a folder
[11:24] <melazyboy> a dialog pops up and says you can stop this operation by hitting cancel
[11:25] <melazyboy> and the folder never opens
[11:25] <wood1> Rattbol, I do the same as you said
[11:26] <Rattboi> and it only lists 640x480, right?
[11:26] <wood1> Yes
[11:26] <wood1> You are right
[11:26] <DarthJ> hi have anyone installed software raid on a running ubuntu?
[11:26] <Rattboi> that list is really weird
[11:26] <|QuaD|> wood1: use warty
[11:26] <melazyboy> DarthJ: I have on sid.
[11:26] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Its very sexy
[11:26] <DarthJ> melazyboy: which howdo have you used?
[11:26] <DarthJ> howto
[11:26] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Software Raid Howto
[11:27] <wood1> How do I undo Hoary back to Warty ???????
[11:27] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Most of it is so extremly easy, just read about raidtab, and use raidstart <dev>, then mount it
[11:27] <DarthJ> i also use this but get with mkraid allwasy an error
[11:27] <melazyboy> nothing too difficult
[11:28] <|QuaD|> wood1: reformat?
[11:28] <melazyboy> DarthJ: What error, and are you using a PCI/Sata or SCSI raid?
[11:28] <ironwolf> wood1: there's this nice install CD that works well for that.
[11:28] <|QuaD|> dist upgrade?
[11:28] <DarthJ> EIDE Raid
[11:28] <will> wod1: i just had to reinstall: uts the best way
[11:28] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Are you using an expansion card?
[11:28] <DarthJ> no onboard controller
[11:28] <will> wood1 sorry its not reccommended to 'downgrade'
[11:29] <DarthJ> i always get  /dev/hdc1 is mounted and then mkraid:aborted
[11:29] <|QuaD|> will: its also not reccomended to run hoary unless you know what you are doing, but he is running it anyways
[11:29] <will> thats true
[11:29] <swat_> good morning
[11:29] <intinig> what is a media player that can be compared to iTunes for playlist management?
[11:29] <|QuaD|> its bed time for me :)
[11:29] <intinig> and media collection management?
[11:29] <swat_> is anyone running ubuntu on a dell d600?
[11:30] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Did you set up your raidtab?
[11:30] <DarthJ> yes i do
[11:30] <swat_> or, failing that, knows why my laptop should lock up when i close the lid!
[11:30] <DarthJ> hda as failed disks
[11:30] <DarthJ> yes
[11:30] <DarthJ> system is instaled on hdc
[11:31] <DarthJ> ll
[11:31] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Don't know what to tell you, mine was extremly easy to set up, im uinsg ide as well, i had to mknode mine (I believe that was because i was using an exp card_
[11:31] <pepsi_> swat_, mine does the same... and also if i tr switch between consoles
[11:31] <pepsi_> if i try
[11:31] <swat_> pepsi_: you have not yet discovered any kind of work around?
[11:31] <pepsi_> swat_, are you using the right drivers?
[11:31] <pepsi_> or just some frame buffer?
[11:32] <swat_> pepsi_: i'm just using whatever it was setup with!
[11:32] <pepsi_> i havent setup my drivers yet
[11:32] <swat_> pepsi_: switching between consoles works ifne
[11:32] <swat_> fine.
[11:32] <pepsi_> yeah, you probably have to set it up
[11:32] <pepsi_> oh
[11:32] <pepsi_> like alt-foo?
[11:32] <swat_> yeh
[11:32] <pepsi_> i can switch to other consoles, but never back to x
[11:32] <DarthJ> i have an ubuntu installation, system runs on hdc, hda is set as failed disk in raidtab config file
[11:34] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Try removing the device and readding it
[11:34] <melazyboy> raidhotremove or something like that w/ raidhotadd
[11:34] <wood1> Everybody, If I change the sources.list to Warty, will that work ?
[11:34] <melazyboy> when a device fails you have to do that
[11:34] <DarthJ> ok i try
[11:34] <melazyboy> and then when you raidstart the array will rebuild
[11:35] <pepsi_> swat_, you running hoary or warty?
[11:36] <wood1> If I change my Hoary's sources.list to warty, will it install Warty  ???
[11:36] <pepsi_> eh
[11:37] <pepsi_> can you go back?
[11:37] <crimsun> you can roll stuff back if you use apt-pinning
[11:37] <Lathiat> No, you cannot go back
[11:37] <Lathiat> wood1: You need to reinstall
[11:37] <Lathiat> downgrading will probably break
[11:37] <crimsun> it's not recommended, of course.
[11:37] <wood1> How do I reinstall Warty. I don't have a CD-ROM on that drive
[11:37] <kremlyn> Hmm, will "nvidia.ko" work with a GeForce2 MX 400?
[11:37] <crimsun> kremlyn: of course
[11:38] <crimsun> kremlyn: that kernel module is for all tnt- and newer families
[11:38] <wood1> Can I just reformat the / partition and type:  apt-get update
[11:38] <pepsi_> uh
[11:38] <crimsun> "reformat /?"
[11:38] <kremlyn> Ahh, thanks. :-) I want to get the other screen working with that driver first, then once XFree is set u right, I will worry about compiling the accelerated nVidia drivers.
[11:39] <pepsi_> if you format /, you reinstall
[11:39] <crimsun> kremlyn: you don't need to compile them. They're in linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[11:39] <melazyboy> wood1: .. read the wiki =D
[11:40] <kremlyn> Where is linux-restricted-modules?
[11:40] <crimsun> kremlyn: in 'restricted'
[11:40] <crimsun> kremlyn: use Synaptic to enable that, then update
[11:40] <kremlyn> Oh, I need to change sources.list
[11:41] <melazyboy> wood1: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo
[11:41] <kiwnix> is there way of "limiting" the bandwitch used by apt-get ?
[11:42] <pepsi_> not easily
[11:43] <neopark> hello again is there a net installer for power pc,(i ran out of blanck cd's) and if there is where do i get it
[11:45] <Rattboi> neopark, I really doubt it
[11:46] <Ackira> Hello !
[11:47] <neopark> no worrys i will wait till the morning and buy some cds
[11:47] <Ackira> I'd like to know if i could reset the debian menu on my Gnome in ubuntu? Because i installed a lot of apps, and they don't appear in the gnome menu.
[11:48] <MobyTurbo> neopark, well, you could use shipit.ubuntulinux.org and get as many pressed cds of ubuntu as you want. It might be faster to buy blank CDs today though. :-)
[11:49] <pepsi_> Ackira, add them to the menu
[11:50] <Ackira> pepsi_: on by one? it would be to long. I just installed a lot of games for my family, it would be faster to readd the debian menu
[11:50] <neopark> thx MobyTurbo, i did request a few of them earlyer.
[11:51] <wood1> Also I can't remove OpenOffice with: apt-get remove openoffice.org
[11:51] <melazyboy> Bah i just got done removing a bunch of shit from init.d
[11:51] <melazyboy> and a dist-upgrade added it all back
[11:51] <pepsi_> Ackira, some apps put stuff in the menus, but others dont
[11:52] <Ackira> pepsi_: I know, but i'd like to do it, please
[11:52] <MobyTurbo> wood1, apt-get remove 'openoffice.org*'
[11:52] <pepsi_> do what?
[11:52] <Ackira> I know it was on purpose that ubuntu removed debian menu from Gnome
[11:53] <Ackira> i 'd just like know how to readd it
[11:53] <pepsi_> i dunno what that is
[11:53] <wood1> apt-get remove openoffice.org gives Errors
[11:54] <kremlyn> OK.
[11:54] <MobyTurbo> wood1, did you add the star as I suggested?
[11:54] <pepsi_> what debian menu?
[11:54] <kremlyn> I've created an XF86Config-4-dual
[11:54] <kremlyn> With what I think is correct for my dual screen setup
[11:55] <kremlyn> Can I move XF86Config-4 to XF86COnfig-4-old
[11:55] <Ackira> have you ever tried a debian distrib? Most of packages in debian add an entry to what is called the "debian menu". It works in various desktop and window managers
[11:55] <kremlyn> and move XF86Config-4-dual to XF86Config-4
[11:55] <wood1> MobyTurbo, I can't remove openoffice.org
[11:55] <kremlyn> And then reboot?
[11:55] <MobyTurbo> wood1, you tried adding the quoted star?
[11:55] <crimsun> kremlyn: no need to reboot. Just restart X Windows
[11:55] <crimsun> kremlyn: (e.g., log out and back in)
[11:56] <kremlyn> OK, and if my config file is screwed..?
[11:56] <melazyboy> ... Hold alt+ctrl+backspace
[11:56] <kremlyn> I can always move the file back from the terminal
[11:56] <pepsi_> Ackira, the "applications" menu?
[11:56] <DarthJ> malezyboy: i found the error failed disk must be the seconde in the raidtab file
[11:57] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Interesting
[11:57] <MobyTurbo> kremlyn, do  what melazyboy suggested
[11:58] <Ackira> pepsi_: in the application menu of gnome-panel, you have a submenu which is called "Debian menu".
[11:59] <wood1> MobyTurbo, I am still getting Errors with:   apt-get remove openoffice.org*
[12:00] <pepsi_> so you want all your games to show up in the menu?
[12:00] <MobyTurbo> wood1, single-quoted too?
[12:00] <MobyTurbo> wood1, stupid question time, are you using sudo?
[12:01] <wood1> MobyTrubo, yes I am using:   root