[04:18] <onkarshinde> Uthini: Which ubuntu version? Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:18] <selinium> apokryphos: I just tried that and got an error.   wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,  I used gparted to create format the disk...
[04:19] <Uthini> onkarshinde: not right now
[04:19] <apokryphos> selinium: :/
[04:19] <Uthini> not on the linux box
[04:19] <apokryphos> selinium: what did you do exactly?
[04:19] <Uthini> onkarshinde: hoary 5.04
[04:19] <apokryphos> Gah, we're getting spambots again.
[04:19] <Uthini> onkarshinde: it doesn't make sense, because i updated the kernel, then i formatted, now it looks @ me like i fell out a tree
[04:20] <Hoxzer`> onkar: now its ready
[04:20] <onkarshinde> Uthini: I don't see any reason for the problem unless and untill the mirror you are using is down or sour sources.list is changed dramatically
[04:20] <Hoxzer`> now I'm in same screen where I started
[04:20] <jhaa> where can i get Breezy Col 4?
[04:20] <Hoxzer`> "make a partion"
[04:21] <selinium> apokryphos: Deleted the partition, then created a new primary partition, or does it need to be an extended partition?
[04:21] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: Okay. Now you can create another partition for Ubuntu and leave another free space for partitioning later from Windows
[04:21] <tritium> jhaa: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/colony-4/
[04:22] <Hoxzer`> onkar... problem is
[04:22] <jhaa> ah
[04:22] <jhaa> thank you
[04:22] <tritium> sure
[04:22] <Hoxzer`> I can't see partion what I made in the screen :E
[04:22] <sandro_> i am looking for a comparison paper of embedded operating systems Windows CE and Linux. I want to show  in my project, that linux is a better choice than winCE. But i'll need papers!
[04:22] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: What do you mean? You didn't create any partition. You just resized one.
[04:22] <tritium> spambots again, apokryphos ?
[04:23] <apokryphos> tritium: yeah, gonna make it registered-only
[04:23] <onkarshinde> Hoxzer`: I have to go home. I hope you will get help from others.
[04:24] <TheMuso> I/c
[04:24] <Sav^> im trying to update to kernel 2.6.12 but only gets " Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" any ideas?
[04:25] <jhaa> !initrd
[04:25] <ubotu> jhaa: I give up, what is it?
[04:25] <jhaa> noo
[04:25] <onkarshinde> Bye everybody. Wish you all happy Ubtunu using.
[04:28] <dazvid_> who here plays lxdoom ?
[04:28] <dazvid_> :D
[04:31] <apokryphos> Seveas: for changing to +R isn't it /mode #chan +R? :/
[04:31] <apokryphos> braino
[04:31] <Dr_Net> does ubuntu recognize and mount usb flash drives automatically?
[04:31] <ztonzy> uh
[04:32] <Seveas> apokryphos, +r = unregistered users can't join, +R = unregistered users can't speak
[04:32] <Seveas> spambots are back?
[04:32] <ztonzy> I get pornspam...and Konversation doesn't like some command
[04:32] <apokryphos> Seveas: I apparently can't change the modes
[04:32] <apokryphos> Seveas: yes
[04:32] <Seveas> always set a forward when restricting access
[04:33] <Dr_Net> so how about usb flash drives mounting on ubuntu?
[04:33] <CCFIEL> hello ppl..
[04:33] <CCFIEL> :)
[04:33] <apokryphos> Seveas: right. What's the syntax?
[04:33] <Seveas>  /mode #ubuntu +f #ubuntu-unregged
[04:34] <CCFIEL> im using xfce for my window... how do i configure my sound... because it does not work..but in gnome my sound card works..
[04:34] <apokryphos> thanks
[04:34] <ztonzy> apokryphos: how to now then ?
[04:35] <carey_oshea> I can't get NFS kernel server to run with Ubuntu. Here are my errors: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1955
[04:35] <carey_oshea> Portmap is running.
[04:36] <Sav^> im trying to update to kernel 2.6.12 but only gets " Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)" any ideas?
[04:36] <Sonderblade> how do i make it so gcc calls gcc-3.4 instead of gcc-3.3? I have both 3.3 and 3.4 installed
[04:36] <carey_oshea> sav: try compiling ext3 into your kernel
[04:37] <carey_oshea> or whatever you use for your root partition
[04:37] <selinium> Hi Seveas
[04:37] <Sav^> carey_oshea: well i have
[04:37] <carey_oshea> sav: hmm... usually that means it's a module or not in the kernel, and then it's unable to mount it
[04:37] <Seveas> hi selinium
[04:37] <Muhammad> anybody can link me to hp deskjet 3550 printer driver for linux please ?
[04:38] <Muhammad> ubuntu linux
[04:38] <Seveas> carey_oshea, how did you install nfs?
[04:38] <dazvid_> Muhammad, should already be in there.. just have to set it up
[04:38] <carey_oshea> seveas: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server nfs-common
[04:38] <magnon>
[04:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> Muhammad: Go to System, Admin, Printers
[04:38] <dazvid_> Muhammad, go into "System > Administration > Printers"
[04:38] <Muhammad> Thanks .. Dazvid_ that means that I have to just connect it to the port
[04:38] <carey_oshea> seveas: and also portmap
[04:38] <Carpe_Libertatem> lol
[04:38] <dazvid_> and then select your printer from the list!
[04:39] <selinium> What is the command line to format a HD?
[04:39] <Muhammad> thanks
[04:39] <dazvid_> connect it to the port, and then go into the menu Carpe_Libertatem and I just typed :P
[04:39] <Muhammad> everybody
[04:39] <Seveas> carey_oshea, odd, that ought to work
[04:39] <carey_oshea> seveas: yeah, I'm lost too as to what could be causing it... portmap is running so it should be able to contact it
[04:40] <mik3> is there any way to reinstall the apt system
[04:40] <carey_oshea> I'll continue playing
[04:40] <Seveas> carey_oshea, what's the output of netstat -tl?
[04:40] <carey_oshea> seveas: added it to my pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1957
[04:41] <Seveas> ok, so portmap is running and listening...
[04:41] <carey_oshea> yep
[04:41] <dazvid_> is there any way to see if my drivers for video card  have installed properly?
[04:41] <carey_oshea> no
[04:41] <Muhammad> i am a 13 years old linux n00b :(
[04:41] <Seveas> try aptitude purge portmap nfs-common nfs-kernel-server
[04:42] <Seveas> and reinstall the packages
[04:42] <carey_oshea> ok will do.
[04:43] <Muhammad> how rude was that :s
[04:44] <Seveas> selinium, mkfs
[04:44] <selinium> Seveas: cheers
[04:44] <carey_oshea> seveas: extra info, both hosts.allow and hosts.deny are empty, so everything should be allowed. (in process of reinstalling atm)
[04:44] <Seveas> dazvid_, look through xorg.conf and see whether it uses the correct driver
[04:45] <Seveas> carey_oshea, iptables -L is empty too?
[04:45] <dazvid_> righto
[04:45] <carey_oshea> sevas: I uninstalled iptables... thinking it might have been blocking it. Bad move?
[04:45] <Muhammad> What applications wink support
[04:46] <dazvid_> aaaah its found my drivers for video card.. but its still only allowing me to select 1024*768 as the max res.. and 60hz refresh
[04:46] <dazvid_> do I have to update monitor drivers too?
[04:46] <carey_oshea> seveas: Trying to start nfs-kernel-server now after purging & reinstalling... no luck. It's doing it's usual 5min pause (slowly giving the portmap errors in syslog)
[04:46] <frank23> !resolution
[04:46] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:46] <selinium> Seveas: I used Gparted to format the drive. but it doesn't seem to want to play ball! My new drive is hdb not hdb1 as I expected?
[04:46] <dazvid_> thanks frank23
[04:47] <frank23> np
[04:47] <carey_oshea> selinium: hdb is your drive, hdb1 is your first partition on that drive
[04:47] <Seveas> selinium, if it has 1 partition on it it's simply hdb
[04:48] <VoX> anyone know how to get a ralink 2500 to run as an accesspoint?
[04:48] <Seveas> carey_oshea, any portmap logs/errors?
[04:48] <VoX> or a wireless card in general?
[04:49] <frank23> VoX: I don't really know but not every card supports being used this way, I think
[04:49] <selinium> Seveas: It is an expansion drive, i will be moving /home onto it when I can get it working! It is fine as a single partition, yes?
[04:49] <Seveas> sure
[04:49] <VoX> frank23: yeah i know, but i know the ralink 2500 does(under windarez, anyway).
[04:50] <carey_oshea> seveas: only the ones that are in my pastebin (localhost not responding)
[04:52] <Seveas> carey_oshea, reinstall iptables and run iptables -L
[04:52] <selinium> Seveas: I have set up fstab to point /dev/hdb /media/windows so I can make a copy of the /home before changing anything. But when I try to mount hdb it says mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/windows busy. But neither is applicable... :/
[04:53] <Seveas> selinium, output of mount && lsof | grep /media/windows on the pastebin please :)
[04:53] <carey_oshea> seveas: ok, doing that now
[04:54] <apokryphos> selinium: sorry about that. How's it going?
[04:54] <selinium> Still having difficulties, I am about to paste mount && lsof | grep /media/windows to the bin for Sev to look at.
[04:55] <carey_oshea> seveas: just a clarification... netstat -tl did not show portmap listening, however netstat -lnptuw did... this is normal yes? (see pastebin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1958)
[04:55] <njan> oi
[04:55] <apokryphos> selinium: ah, bad superblock error?
[04:55] <selinium> apokryphos: yep
[04:56] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1960
[04:56] <Seveas> carey_oshea, netstat -lt shoud show it
[04:57] <carey_oshea> seveas: oh... hmm. that's no good, wonder why it only shows in one and not the other
[04:57] <dazvid> Yipee, it worked
[04:57] <Seveas> i'm browsing thorough the manpage
[04:57] <dazvid> however still cant resize my monitor properly
[04:57] <dazvid> resolution.. so option 2
[04:58] <Seveas> what's the -u for?
[04:58] <Seveas> ah udp..
[04:58] <carey_oshea> ya
[04:58] <Seveas> so probably it only listens on udp and not tcp
[04:58] <Seveas> while nfs uses both
[04:58] <Muhammad> I have installed wine .. but what to do next ?
[04:59] <carey_oshea> seveas: I've run iptables -L... all three are set as "ACCEPT" (forward,output,input)
[04:59] <Seveas> hmm, so no weird things there
[04:59] <carey_oshea> yeah... hmm
[05:00] <Seveas> try /etc/init.d/portmap restart
[05:00] <carey_oshea> I've had this *exact* error before (portmap localhost not responding, etc) with nfs,,,, but that was just because portmap wasn't installed
[05:00] <Seveas> does that give errors?
[05:00] <Muhammad> heloo ?/
[05:00] <Seveas> hi
[05:00] <Muhammad> anybody want to help me ?
[05:00] <Muhammad> i have installed wine what to do next ?
[05:00] <osfameron> Muhammad: er?  what do you want to do next?
[05:01] <Muhammad> What to do ?
[05:01] <carey_oshea> I'm running /etc/init.d/portmap restart now... It's taking ages, no ouput and no error in syslog yet
[05:01] <Blissex> Muhammad: you run '.exe's, as in 'wine /..../whatever.exe'
[05:01] <Muhammad> I want to install adobe with it ?
[05:01] <spiderworm> Muhammad: now type "wine bsod.exe" for that classic windows feel
[05:01] <Muhammad> how ?
[05:01] <Muhammad> ?
[05:01] <Blissex> Muhammad: run the installer...
[05:01] <apokryphos> selinium: not sure to tell you the truth. Partitioning it went all ok?
[05:01] <selinium> spiderworm: lol
[05:01] <osfameron> Muhammad: you could try using winetools to set up various system things that will make stuff work better
[05:01] <carey_oshea> seveas: portmap also still running, so I think that means it's having trouble shutting portmap down
[05:01] <osfameron> Muhammad: though I've not had any luck getting that to work myself
[05:02] <Muhammad> wine: creating configuration directory '/root/.wine'...
[05:02] <selinium> apokryphos: yep seemed to, gparted shows the partition. Should i format the disk through command line?
[05:02] <Muhammad> wine: '/root/.wine' created successfully.
[05:02] <Muhammad> wine: cannot find 'bsod.exe'
[05:02] <Muhammad> root@ubuntu:~ #
[05:02] <spiderworm> lol
[05:02] <spiderworm> Muhammad: it was a joke
[05:02] <spiderworm> Muhammad: sorry for not clarifying
[05:03] <apokryphos> Muhammad: please don't paste in here.
[05:03] <Muhammad> then .. what to do :s
[05:03] <selinium> Muhammad: bsod is the blue screen of death you get when windows crashes.
[05:03] <apokryphos> selinium: sure, if you know how to.
[05:03] <Muhammad> ijay
[05:03] <Seveas> Muhammad, running wine as root is a very bad thing by the way
[05:03] <Muhammad> okay !!
[05:03] <apokryphos> selinium: could you pastebin sudo fdisk -l ?
[05:03] <Muhammad> anybody can help .. :s
[05:03] <Muhammad> the n00b :s
[05:03] <Renski> ....its not bsod...its called explorer.exe
[05:03] <selinium> apokryphos: k
[05:04] <Seveas> Muhammad, what are you trying to do?
[05:04] <selinium> Muhammad: As Blissex said you run '.exe's, as in 'wine /..../whatever.exe'
[05:04] <Muhammad> hmm seveas .. but I use root :s.. from the start
[05:04] <Seveas> Muhammad, that's a very bad thing to do
[05:04] <Muhammad> If i want to install some software
[05:04] <Seveas> you should almost never use root
[05:04] <Muhammad> what to do ?
[05:05] <Seveas> just use wine as an ordinary user
[05:05] <Muhammad> hmm seveas .. okay !!
[05:05] <apokryphos> Muhammad: wine installs a "fake win directory" in *your* home
[05:05] <mik3> lies
[05:05] <Muhammad> hmm
[05:05] <osfameron> Muhammad: copy the adobe installer files to that
[05:05] <osfameron> Muhammad: then pretend that the root of the fake win drive is "C:" just like on windows
[05:05] <Sav^> im trying to upgrade my kernel, getting kernel-panic, now im gonna try to fix it by rekomplying the kernel, do i nedd to remove the "bad"-komplied kernel? or rather, should it and can i?
[05:05] <selinium> apokryphos: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1963  :)
[05:05] <Muhammad> okay
[05:05] <Muhammad> in which user
[05:05] <Muhammad> haris or haris1
[05:05] <osfameron> Muhammad: and do wine "C:\path\to\adobe-installer.exe"
[05:06] <osfameron> (apparently it works better if you do the paths Windows style"
[05:06] <Muhammad> it will be
[05:06] <Muhammad> c:\home\haris1 ?
[05:06] <apokryphos> selinium: erm, the other partition you're trying to mount on doesn't seem to exist
[05:07] <selinium> apokryphos: I was expecting hdb1 but Seveas siad if it was one big partition it wouldn't show like that?
[05:08] <dazvid> hmm, I fixed the refresh rate, and there are more resolutions on offer.. however nothing higher than 1024*768... would it be ok if i changed xorg.conf manually?
[05:08] <Muhammad> ??
[05:08] <apokryphos> selinium: is it on another disk completely?
[05:08] <Renski> Muhammad: obtain a brain, then come back.
[05:08] <selinium> apokryphos: yes
[05:09] <Seveas> Renski: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[05:09] <dazvid> Renski, i believe he is only young..
[05:09] <apokryphos> selinium: and, it wouldn't show up like what? Under fdisk -l?
[05:09] <selinium> Muhammad: We have no idea on how your system is set up
[05:09] <carey_oshea> seveas: OK, portmap has restarted, no errors that I can see, it just took a long time
[05:09] <Seveas> carey_oshea, it shouldn't...
[05:09] <Seveas> there's something weird with your machine
[05:09] <carey_oshea> yeah... hmm
[05:09] <Seveas> Muhammad, wh are you using wine to install acrobat reader?
[05:10] <carey_oshea> I'll try another distro, and a few live distros to rule out a hardware problem (i do doubt this though)
[05:10] <Muhammad> nothing seveas .. I will get a brain first: S
[05:10] <carey_oshea> if it works with that, then i'll reinstall as the machine is just fresh, nothing to lose
[05:10] <Muhammad> dont want to ask support anymore !! :s
[05:10] <Seveas> carey_oshea, really no portmap errors in /var/log/* ?
[05:10] <Renski> Damn, the fuzzy feel good factor of ubuntu extends to IRC? Sorry Muhammad.
[05:10] <Seveas> Muhammad, don't let rude people scare you away
[05:10] <carey_oshea> yep... just the ones in my pastebin... "portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out"
[05:11] <carey_oshea> and it only pops up when I try to start nfs-kernel-server
[05:11] <apokryphos> Renski: yes :)
[05:11] <selinium> apokryphos: Sorry didn't understand that last one!  Seveas said it would be HDB not HDB1 if it was all one partition.
[05:11] <dazvid> Seveas, do you think that modifying my xorg.conf manually to include higher resolutions that it would actually enable them?
[05:11] <apokryphos> selinium: probably, sure. It should still show up in fdisk
[05:11] <Seveas> dazvid, only if you restart the X server afterward
[05:11] <dazvid> Yup of course
[05:11] <dazvid> ok well, trying again
[05:11] <Muhammad> support , please be my friend :(
[05:11] <Seveas> carey_oshea, what does pmap_dump say?
[05:12] <Muhammad> i am n00b
[05:12] <Seveas> Muhammad, then answer my simple question :)
[05:12] <Seveas> Muhammad, why are you using wine to install acrobat reader?
[05:12] <carey_oshea> seveas: I'm running it now, it's taking a long time.
[05:12] <Seveas> carey_oshea, portmap is definitely busted then
[05:12] <endy_x> Muhammad, are you logged in as root and talking on irc?
[05:12] <Seveas> because that should instantly finish
[05:12] <Muhammad> No
[05:12] <endy_x> k :)
[05:12] <Muhammad> Adobe Illustrator
[05:13] <Muhammad> Yes  , I am logged in root and talking to irc..
[05:13] <carey_oshea> seveas: I see. Very strange.
[05:13] <carey_oshea> seveas: might explain why I only get like 100 google results from my errors.... something very weird going on
[05:13] <Seveas> Muhammad, then quit irc, login as normal user and come back
[05:13] <Seveas> don't use root for other things than administration
[05:13] <dazvid> aha~!~! It worked!!
[05:13] <endy_x> Muhammad, its very important not to use root for 'normal' tasks :)
[05:13] <spiderworm> Muhammad: do you have a normal user account on the system?
[05:14] <Muhammad> hmm
[05:14] <Muhammad> okay .. but can i just know why ?
[05:14] <apokryphos> Muhammad: you can cause irrecoverable damage
[05:14] <Seveas> being root all the time is a security risk
[05:14] <spiderworm> Muhammad: because if you do something goofy as root you can ruin your whole system
[05:14] <v1ru5> any way of changing your system language btw??
[05:14] <v1ru5> friend asks
[05:14] <apokryphos> Muhammad: you're more vulnerable
[05:14] <Muhammad> yes
[05:14] <spiderworm> Muhammad: however, if you do something goofy as a normal user, it wont ruin the system
[05:14] <Muhammad> I have normal account !!!
[05:14] <Muhammad> I will just log in using normal account ..
[05:14] <v1ru5> woo
[05:14] <apokryphos> Muhammad: yes, you should. :)
[05:14] <Muhammad> .... !! :D
[05:15] <Seveas> carey_oshea, kill portmap and start it with: portmap -dv
[05:15] <Muhammad> okay. .
[05:15] <Muhammad> just fcoming !!
[05:15] <mik3> is there any way to reinstall the apt system
[05:15] <Muhammad> just coming back..
[05:15] <Seveas> mik3, be a bit more specific please
[05:15] <carey_oshea> seveas: I've actually already tried that, I got it from the manpage
[05:15] <carey_oshea> seveas: It didn't print anything, just sat there
[05:15] <dazvid> ok now for my audio card..
[05:15] <carey_oshea> seveas: I was hoping it would give me some debug, apparently not,.
[05:15] <Seveas> :(
[05:16] <dazvid> does anyone here run an audigy 2 with no problems?
[05:16] <Seveas> did you install other rpc-related packages?
[05:16] <dazvid> note: I have read through the forums about the different audigy problems
[05:16] <carey_oshea> seveas: pmap_dump has just completed, it printed nothing and no errors in /var/log/*
[05:17] <Seveas> carey_oshea, very very odd
[05:17] <Seveas> I wish i could be of more help, but i'm stunned :|
[05:17] <carey_oshea> yeah it's ok
[05:17] <carey_oshea> me too ;P
[05:17] <mik3> is there any way to reinstall the system that uses apt-get, symantec, etc
[05:17] <carey_oshea> I'm juts thinking though the error says "unable to contact localhost" maybe my hosts setup or something is wrong?
[05:17] <apokryphos> mik3: why would you want to?
[05:18] <Seveas> carey_oshea, can you paste the current output of netstat -tlnp on the pastebin
[05:18] <mik3> because it's broke
[05:18] <Seveas> (sudo netstat -tlnp)
[05:19] <carey_oshea> Done: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1964
[05:20] <Muhammad> yep i am back !
[05:20] <Muhammad> with normal user !!!
[05:20] <Muhammad> now ?
[05:20] <dazvid> Good boy :)
[05:20] <apokryphos> Muhammad: yup, that's good. :)
[05:20] <selinium> Seveas: Sorry for being a pain... But mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb doesn't cure it either. I think I need more flags.
[05:21] <Seveas> selinium, try: sudo fdisk -l
[05:21] <Seveas> and paste the output on the bin
[05:21] <apokryphos> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1963
[05:21] <apokryphos> hdb doesn't show up, which is odd.
[05:21] <apokryphos> err, or it does. Don't mind me.
[05:22] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: I now have Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
[05:22] <carey_oshea> I've posted about my problem on another forum: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=394509
[05:22] <Seveas> selinium, right, fire up *parted or cfdisk again and repartition
[05:22] <selinium> k
[05:22] <carey_oshea> hopefully someone will know what's up
[05:23] <Seveas> carey_oshea, if you find a solution, please let me know
[05:23] <carey_oshea> i love the design of the whirlpool forums ;)
[05:23] <carey_oshea> seveas: I will be sure to
[05:23] <greenhat> hey
[05:23] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: Does it need to be a primary or extended? I 've been using primary
[05:23] <carey_oshea> seveas: I've appreciated your help and info so far, thanks
[05:23] <Seveas> primary
[05:24] <greenhat> Is this the right place to ask some questions bout installing ubuntu?
[05:24] <apokryphos> greenhat: sure
[05:24] <greenhat> k
[05:25] <Bartimaeus> does anyone know the apt-get for java?
[05:25] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Bartimaeus about java
[05:25] <znh> someone nedes a docter?
[05:25] <znh> *needs
[05:25] <greenhat> well i have a problem, I rally want to install Ubuntu, but my CD burner is broken. Is there anyway I can istall from WInXP?
[05:26] <apokryphos> greenhat: yes
[05:26] <Seveas> !java
[05:26] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:26] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell greenhat about install
[05:26] <carey_oshea> Well I'm off... been playing with this portmap/nfs problem for like 5 hours now, kinda tired ;)
[05:26] <grogoreo> hi
[05:26] <carey_oshea> seveas: thanks, I'll let you know if I find a solution
[05:26] <carey_oshea> bye
[05:26] <znh> bye carey_oshea
[05:26] <apokryphos> hi grogoreo
[05:26] <znh> grogoreo: greetingz
[05:26] <grogoreo> Does anyone know of a Interactive 3D Globe/World Map? With countries defined? Maybe in OpenGL?
[05:27] <znh> grogoreo: start creating one with blender :)
[05:27] <greenhat> @ apokryphos i'll check that out thanks
[05:28] <grogoreo> znh, I could create the sphere but not the actual map
[05:28] <apokryphos> grogoreo: #blender is your friend =)
[05:29] <grogoreo> apokryphos, I'm not going to create one as, I'm hoping to get Softimage|XSI (commercial app) and I don't want to get confused as they differ
[05:29] <grogoreo> but thanks
[05:29] <priest> is the 2.6.12-kernel in breezy patched with inotify?
[05:29] <grogoreo> I'm looking on SourceForge.net now!
[05:30] <wickedpuppy> hi guys ... where to get the source cd for ubuntu ?
[05:31] <Sav^> ubuntulinux.org
[05:32] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: Even using gparted, i still have the same error now. Disk /dev/hdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
[05:33] <apokryphos> :/
[05:33] <wickedpuppy> i mean the source cd for breezy
[05:34] <apokryphos> wickedpuppy: you want the ISO?
[05:34] <apokryphos> wickedpuppy: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <VoX> how do i setup gnome so that the gnomeshell i properly transparent? ie: so i can see whatever is behind it?
[05:36] <dazvid> VoX go into the profiles
[05:36] <dazvid> and set the background as transparent
[05:36] <VoX> i've done that
[05:36] <VoX> it shows me the background image
[05:36] <rp78> hi all
[05:36] <dazvid> so whats the problem?
[05:36] <dazvid> aaaaaah yes
[05:36] <VoX> not what's behind the shell
[05:37] <dazvid> I get you
[05:37] <wickedpuppy> apokryphos, i am looking for source cd not install or live ... know where ?
[05:37] <dazvid> Dont think you can?
[05:37] <apokryphos> VoX: you'll need ot use Composite for that
[05:37] <apokryphos> wickedpuppy: the *source* cd? What?
[05:37] <Quinthius> VoX: it's not TRUE transparency... you can't have that without using some X extensions which right now i think are very experimental and only work on certain cards
[05:37] <VoX> apokryphos: explain?
[05:37] <VoX> Quinthius: i'm willing to try :)
[05:37] <wickedpuppy> ah got it
[05:37] <apokryphos> VoX: which is experimental and only really usable with NVidia
[05:37] <apokryphos> !composite
[05:37] <ubotu> composite is, like, at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 -- make sure you read the whole thread.
[05:37] <VoX> <-- has nvidia
[05:37] <rp78> anyone who is from the philippines
[05:38] <Quinthius> VoX: even with nvidia i think it's pretty buggy
[05:38] <apokryphos> It's worth trying it out, though IIRC Xorg has a bug with RenderAccel, so it won't work on some nvidia cards.
[05:38] <apokryphos> Quinthius: correct
[05:38] <Quinthius> and with ati... don't even bother, it's a mess :)
[05:40] <dazvid> apokryphos, is there a list of nvidia cards that dont work with the transparency?
[05:40] <priest> is the 2.6.12-kernel in breezy patched with inotify?
[05:41] <apokryphos> dazvid: not really; it's an Ubuntu packaging bug, I believe.
[05:41] <dazvid> ah ok
[05:42] <Answer> Question: Has anyone installed a Linksys USB Wireless-G Network Adapter?
[05:43] <selinium> Seveas apokryphos: Just going to reboot to see if it frees anything up. You never know!
[05:46] <Answer> Question: Has anyone installed a Linksys USB Wireless-G Network Adapter?
[05:46] <thrice`> Answer, you just posted that question
[05:46] <Answer> thrice` thank u for noticing
[05:46] <Shikamaroo> can anyone help me boot yaboot from the mac OpenFirmware prompt?
[05:46] <thrice`> good.  Answer if someone knows, they will answer; dont' keep badgering people
[05:47] <yancheng> hi, how can i remove all the *~ file inside directory and sub directory??
[05:48] <Answer> rm -Rf ~*
[05:48] <thrice`> no
[05:48] <thrice`> don't run that command
[05:48] <Seveas> yancheng, find . -name ~* -exec rm '{}' ';'
[05:49] <thrice`> unless you want to delete stuff from your home dir
[05:49] <Seveas> yancheng, find . -name '~*' -exec rm '{}' ';'
[05:49] <Seveas> quoting matters
[05:50] <Shikamaroo> can anyone help me boot yaboot from the mac OpenFirmware prompt?
[05:51] <Muhammad> i am back .. I have just sold my adobe and macromedia license..
[05:51] <Muhammad> to my friend ..
[05:51] <Muhammad> and will have to find some good alternatives !
[05:52] <thrice`> mm...gnome 2.12
[05:52] <Muhammad> gnome 2.12 for what ?
[05:52] <Answer> Question: Has anyone installed a USB network adapter?
[05:52] <thrice`> breezy of course =]
[05:53] <Shikamaroo> does the hard drive have to be master on the ide cable in a mac to boot yaboot?
[05:53] <yancheng> Seveas: i just get >
[05:53] <yancheng> sign
[05:53] <Muhammad> !tell Muhammad skins
[05:53] <Seveas> yancheng, make sure you quote it correctly
[05:54] <yancheng> Seveas: wonderful!
[05:54] <Shikamaroo> does ne1 see me?
[05:54] <VoX> heh
[05:54] <selinium> Seveas: * #ubuntu #ubuntu-unregged :Forwarding to another channel * Cannot join #ubuntu-unregged (Channel is invite only).
[05:54] <thrice`> Shikamaroo, of course, just people likely don't know the answer
[05:54] <VoX> well i followed the guide.. didnt change anything
[05:54] <Seveas> Shikamaroo, yes, buy i think no one knows an answer
[05:55] <Seveas> selinium, just fixed that
[05:55] <Shikamaroo> oh...
[05:55] <Muhammad> anyone good with ipb ?
[05:55] <selinium> Seveas: cool
[05:55] <Shikamaroo> does ne1 know how much the mac os 9.1 cd costs?
[05:56] <Answer> google: mac os 9.1 :p
[05:56] <Shikamaroo> >.< lol
[05:57] <cecile> good evening all
[05:57] <caonex> I installed the Amd64 version of Ubuntu and When I boot it freezes after trying to set up hotpluggable devices, any idea? I do not have anything connected in USB, FireWire, etc.
[05:57] <Muhammad> anybody want to buy webdtalk.com ?
[05:57] <Xappe> hmm, when running xcompmgr on my ibook g3 (with radeon 9000 mobile) some apps work fine with dropshadows, but others get yellow shadows sometimes...anyone else seing this?
[05:58] <greenhat> hey
[05:59] <selinium> Seveas Apokryphos: I rebooted, the pc now sees the drive. But it still says it has an invalid partition table? I can use it though :/
[06:00] <apokryphos> selinium: you didn't set it as bootable, did you?
[06:00] <selinium> dazvid: 8)
[06:00] <apokryphos> or "active" (not sure wha tgparted uses)
[06:00] <apokryphos> *what gparted
[06:00] <selinium> apokryphos: dont think so... One mo, may as well do it again!
[06:01] <greenhat> i asked before about installing Ubunntu from windows without a cd and followes the instructions in the Wiki, put i have another problem now. I used this approach https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromWindows using netboot. Is there any way I can use an image I have on an NTFS partiton instead of connecting to a server. The wiki thing tells me you can "se a different kernel and pass some special argument in menu.lst to tell it to boot fr
[06:01] <apokryphos> selinium: this is a new HD, right?
[06:01] <greenhat> sorry bout the long post ;-)
[06:02] <selinium> apokryphos: it is an old, but functioning hd. it had my windows on it.
[06:03] <selinium> apokryphos: this is getting strange! I have just used nautilus to navigate to /media/wiindows/ (the mount point) and created a small text file. But when I go to gparted it says that hdb is not mounted?
[06:04] <v1ru5> greenhat: don't you have a CD drive? :D
[06:04] <apokryphos> selinium: err, it's properly mounted under /media/windows ?
[06:04] <Answer> Question: How to install the Firefox Java plugin?
[06:04] <Seveas> selinium, if /media/windows is not mounted, the file is simply created on the root partition...
[06:04] <icewt> is there some terminal emulator that makes URLs clickable so that they'll open in web browser?
[06:04] <Seveas> Answer, get a java .deb file
[06:05] <Answer> Seveas: I have the jre15.rpm file installed, but Firefox does not see the plugin?
[06:05] <Seveas> Answer, the ones from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl are up-to-date and guaranteed to wirk
[06:05] <Seveas> Answer, eeeeeewwwwwww
[06:05] <apokryphos> Answer: you shouldn't install that.
[06:05] <Seveas> VERY bad idea
[06:05] <Seveas> get rid of it
[06:05] <Answer> that is what firefox does automatically
[06:05] <Seveas> get rid of it again :)
[06:05] <apokryphos> Really? That's a bit evil.
[06:05] <Seveas> firefox ignores the package management system
[06:06] <greenhat> v1ru5 yeah i do but no CD...
[06:06] <Answer> open a page requiring java plugin and it goes to sun's site and selects jre15....rpm
[06:06] <emanuelez> hello!
[06:06] <apokryphos> Answer: there are other options there, for other Linux systems
[06:06] <v1ru5> greenhat: get it sent?
[06:06] <dazvid> quick question on ssh.. in the console, I have connected to my universities server, and want to copy a file from there to my ~
[06:06] <dazvid> whats the syntax to do this?
[06:06] <Seveas> Answer, please remove it and install a jave .deb file from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:06] <apokryphos> Answer: nevertheless, there are repositories with it. No need to do that.
[06:07] <apokryphos> dazvid: you can use scp
[06:07] <darkheart> dazvid 'cp <fileyouwantcopied> <destination>'
[06:07] <emanuelez> how do i install the java bytecode compiler?
[06:07] <apokryphos> dazvid: scp username@universityip:/home/somewhere ~/.
[06:07] <Seveas> emanuelez, grab a jdk deb from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl :)
[06:07] <greenhat> v1ru5 yeah think i might just do that..; that other whole thing just sounds complicated, although i think it should be possible somehow...
[06:07] <apokryphos> darkheart: not cp ;-)
[06:07] <emanuelez> thx Seveas
[06:07] <Answer> Seveas: what is your Blackbird username and password?
[06:08] <dazvid> thanks apokryphos. darkheart I tried that, and it doesnt work properly.. because it thinks I want to copy it onto the uni server, not my home box
[06:08] <selinium> apokryphos: it didn't give me a choice about the bootable thing
[06:08] <Sav^> I really could need som help, iv just got my "Acer TM 8101WLMi" and trying to install ubuntu, well the install was ok but got black screen. Did read about it on the forum and got it fixed. S gfx works but noting else. Did read on the forum about upgrading kernel to 2.6.12 and i only get "Kernel-Panic Not syncing VFS etc" i have added ext3 support in the kernel. Can anyone help me out, im soon back to windows, been struggeling this sience yesterday. Btw, the howt
[06:08] <apokryphos> dazvid: if you use it as I said there, it won't think that.
[06:08] <Muhammad> how to become linux expert ?
[06:08] <Seveas> Answer, msg me one
[06:08] <darkheart> dazvid I misinterpreted the question. I thought you were moving files around remotely.
[06:08] <Seveas> Muhammad, start by reading the rute book
[06:08] <Seveas> !rute
[06:08] <ubotu> from memory, rute is a great guide for learning about Linux and is available at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/
[06:08] <dazvid> Ah thats fine darkheart :)
[06:09] <emanuelez> Seveas: it asks me a password :(
[06:09] <Seveas> emanuelez, then /msg me a user/pass combination :)
[06:09] <Muhammad> where can i find good linux themes ?
[06:09] <Seveas> !themes
[06:09] <ubotu> it has been said that themes is at http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[06:09] <Seveas> ahum
[06:10] <apokryphos> selinium: it's a shame there don't seem to be docs on gparted
[06:10] <Seveas> ubotu, no themes is at http://art.ubuntu.com -  http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[06:10] <ubotu> okay, Seveas
[06:10] <dazvid> apokryphos, that did the trick. thanks :)
[06:10] <apokryphos> it's writtein in C++ though -- that's pretty interesting.
[06:10] <fluffybunny_> how can i optimise whatever file/script/doodad/thingemebob that runs when I boot and/or log in, so that unnecessary things are not running, and my boot time is increased
[06:10] <caonex> I installed the Amd64 version of Ubuntu and When I boot it freezes after trying to set up hotpluggable devices, any idea? I do not have anything connected in USB, FireWire, etc.
[06:10] <apokryphos> selinium: perhaps try qtparted, and if there's an option for botting make sure you don't select it.
[06:10] <Muhammad> !skins
[06:10] <Muhammad> !themes
[06:10] <ubotu> Muhammad: I haven't a clue
[06:10] <ubotu> from memory, themes is at http://art.ubuntu.com -  http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/ - http://www.guistyles.com
[06:10] <bipolar> does the kernel in breezy have the inotify patch?
[06:11] <Seveas> yes bipolar
[06:11] <selinium> apokryphos: lol, it is doing something different this time. botting? not sure I want that :D
[06:11] <bipolar> Seveas, thanks. :)
[06:11] <apokryphos> selinium: eh?
[06:11] <CCFIEL> is there a gui synaptic for xfce?
[06:11] <frans-th> anyone can help me, to get ubuntu src, and compile it and make an .iso, is there a step for this?
[06:11] <Seveas> CCFIEL, synaptic works in xfce too
[06:11] <selinium> apokryphos: I think you meant booting!
[06:11] <Seveas> frans-th, what do you mean? YOu can simply download the iso...
[06:11] <CCFIEL> sevias: ic what is the command for gui synaptic?
[06:12] <apokryphos> selinium: heh, yes, sorry. Typo.
[06:12] <Seveas> synaptic
[06:12] <Seveas> :)
[06:12] <CCFIEL> ok thanks
[06:12] <Answer> Question: Where can I get sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[06:12] <Seveas> or better: gksudo synaptic
[06:12] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Answer about java
[06:12] <Seveas> Answer, I told you: /msg me a username/password to get access
[06:12] <fluffybunny_> i installed xscreensaver 4.22 from source and now my rss screensavers say "uninstalled", but i reinstalled them (in synaptic) and they still say "uninstalled"
[06:12] <frans-th> Seveas: i dont want the .iso, but i want to know how about develop .iso from src
[06:12] <Muhammad> what is ubuntu , kubuntu
[06:12] <Seveas> kubuntu is ubuntu
[06:13] <apokryphos> hi frans-th :)
[06:13] <Seveas> just with a different set of packages installed by default
[06:13] <Muhammad> edubuntu ?
[06:13] <Sav^> I really could need som help, iv just got my "Acer TM 8101WLMi" and trying to install ubuntu, well the install was ok but got black screen. Did read about it on the forum and got it fixed. S gfx works but noting else. Did read on the forum about upgrading kernel to 2.6.12 and i only get "Kernel-Panic Not syncing VFS etc" i have added ext3 support in the kernel. Can anyone help me out, im soon back to windows, been struggeling this sience yesterday. Btw, the howt
[06:13] <Seveas> same story
[06:13] <dazvid> Muhammad, edubuntu is like ubuntu, but its aimed at schools and teachers :)
[06:13] <apokryphos> it's a mixture of gnome and kde edu packages
[06:14] <Seveas> read edubuntu.org / kubuntu.org for detail explanations
[06:14] <dazvid> kubuntu just uses KDE ?
[06:14] <apokryphos> dazvid: as a DE, yes. You can of course install gnome/xfce etc after
[06:14] <dazvid> of course
[06:14] <apokryphos> dazvid: but the iso only really contains ubuntu-base + kubuntu-desktop
[06:14] <dazvid> I think i prefer gnome
[06:15] <dazvid> looks sexier ;)
[06:15] <apokryphos> =)
[06:15] <selinium> dazvid: less like windows! :)
[06:15] <Seveas> !start a desktop war
[06:15] <ubotu> cde is much better than kde!
[06:15] <Seveas> *g*
[06:15] <selinium> *g*
[06:15] <LasseL> hehe
[06:15] <fluffybunny_> i installed xscreensaver 4.22 from source and now my rss screensavers say "uninstalled", but i reinstalled them (in synaptic) and they still say "uninstalled"
[06:16] <dazvid> selinium, I dunno, its still pretty similar. However I think its better :)
[06:16] <LasseL> cde is so ugly that it is kinda cool
[06:16] <apokryphos> hehe
[06:16] <dazvid> I think gnome is                     ^^
[06:16] <Seveas> cde is the most awful DE I ever had to use
[06:16] <dazvid> just to clarify...
[06:16] <Seveas> made me switch to twm very fast :)
[06:16] <Answer> Question: I followed the instructions for adding Repositories, but there is no sun-j2re package in Synaptic (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java)
[06:17] <apokryphos> Answer: make sure you add the hoary-extras repository or the ubuntulinux.nl one
[06:17] <Seveas> Answer, do you ever read what people tell you?
[06:17] <paulw> anyone here that can help with sound problem?
[06:17] <apokryphos> !sound
[06:17] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:17] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[06:18] <Answer> Seveas: you are not helpful.
[06:18] <Seveas> if problem remains, come back :)
[06:18] <Seveas> Answer, right...
[06:18] <apokryphos> Answer: i.e. add    deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted     ...to /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:18] <apokryphos> Answer: I assure you, he is quite helpful. :)
[06:18] <Seveas> read what I said instead of insulting
[06:18] <Seveas> I gave you the instructions 2 time
[06:18] <selinium> apokryphos: I have a partition on hdb1   Hooray!
[06:18] <dazvid> paulw, what problems specifically?
[06:18] <Seveas> selinium, weeeeeeeee :)
[06:19] <apokryphos> selinium: so, let me guess, was that down to qtparted's excellentness? ;-)
[06:19] <GStole> Greets
[06:19] <apokryphos> aloha
[06:20] <dazvid> ah, 2:30. Better sleep some. Goodnight all
[06:20] <bipolar> I'm trying to build the vmware kernel modules on breezy. I cant seem to find a linux-kernel-headers that matches the brezzy kernel. any ideas?
[06:20] <darkheart> dazvid Good night
[06:20] <Muhammad> I have to install java :s
[06:20] <frans-th> anyone can help me to get the how to make an .iso from source...
[06:20] <kbreit> How can I figure out what the deepest dir is on my system (ie. furthest dir from root)
[06:20] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Muhammad about java
[06:20] <selinium> apokryphos: nope a bit of gparted un-exellence. You issue the commands and thay sit in a buffer. You have to execute them twice.... Once to put them in the buffer then execute them, duh!
[06:21] <apokryphos> oh oO
[06:22] <Answer> Seveas: I am interested in the standard way of installing java, which does not involve messaging you a username and pw...
[06:23] <Answer> apokryphos: Thanks!   deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:24] <Answer> Question: Which is the best web browser?
[06:24] <apokryphos> Answer: the seveas.ubuntulinux.nl is just another repository for the java debs
[06:24] <apokryphos> Answer: Seveas there runs it, so he'd be able to help you access them. But if you've got it working now, then nevermind...
[06:25] <apokryphos> Answer: re: best browser. That depends on who you ask. :) For gnome users Firefox tends to be the most popular; some still use Opera.
[06:25] <Answer> apokryphos: password restricted repositories are not ideal for corporate wide deployment..
[06:25] <apokryphos> I'd recommend trying out both.
[06:25] <Muhammad> !tell Muhammad about java
[06:25] <Muhammad> !java
[06:25] <apokryphos> Answer: it shouldn't be; there was likely a problem.
[06:25] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:25] <osfameron> Opera is non-free, but yummy in some ways
[06:26] <Muhammad> !tell java
[06:26] <apokryphos> Muhammad: the link is there above
[06:26] <meuserj|work> osfameron, agreed.. Opera 8 is an outstanding browser... too bad it is closed source.
[06:26] <CCFIEL> hello pll..
[06:26] <apokryphos> hi
[06:26] <apokryphos> meuserj|work: indeed
[06:27] <Answer> apokryphos: tell me that this link is not password protected http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/deb/restricted/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[06:27] <CCFIEL> how do i symlink /dev/ttySHSFO to /dev/modem so that it could be access the device even not a root
[06:27] <Muhammad> Linux (self-extracting file)
[06:27] <Muhammad> (filesize: 16.6 MB)
[06:27] <Muhammad> that one ?
[06:27] <meuserj|work> sudo ln -s /dev/ttySHSFO /dev/modem
[06:27] <apokryphos> Answer: that's what I'm saying; there's either a problem or that's temporary.
[06:27] <Muhammad> http://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp <-- should i install from here ?
[06:27] <apokryphos> Muhammad: please don't paste in here. :)
[06:28] <apokryphos> Muhammad: No. Follow the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:28] <Muhammad> wiki is not loading for me :s
[06:29] <apokryphos> Answer: oh, and Seveas there was asking for a user/pass from you -- that is, one for you to make/decide.
[06:29] <apokryphos> Muhammad: it's up and running. Should be fine.
[06:30] <Answer> apokryphos: corporate wide deployment must be streamlined and use mainstream servers...
[06:30] <Answer> Question: Is there a way to boot from the Install CD .iso saved to /dev/hda2 (/mnt) ?
[06:31] <apokryphos> Answer: corporate wide deployment probably shouldn't use illegal repositories, then :). hoary-extras is technically illegal
[06:31] <apokryphos> I think remaking java debs is actually illegal, itself.
[06:32] <Answer> java is open source, ubuntu is open source, who is going to prosecute?
[06:32] <imnes> How do you configure ACPI events in Ubuntu Breezy?  I'd like to suspend to ram when the laptop lid closes.
[06:32] <apokryphos> Answer: java is not open source.
[06:32] <apokryphos> only some parts are
[06:33] <selinium> apokryphos: When this is all over I will be able to continue flac'ing my CDs!
[06:33] <osfameron> I thought java was freely distributable though ?
[06:33] <apokryphos> 8)
[06:33] <Answer> jre and the firefox plugin are open source.
[06:33] <osfameron> oh, no, it has to come from sun so you can sign the Ts and Cs...
[06:33] <dade`> gnome-phone-manager is broken on breezy
[06:33] <dade`> from MONTHS
[06:33] <Answer> who is going to prosecute for said illegality
[06:33] <imnes> I think you can download the whole JDK's source from sun, but maybe you can't redistribute your own builds?  I'm not sure.
[06:33] <gsuveg> re
[06:33] <apokryphos> Answer: I don't think it is, but I'll look into it later.
[06:34] <apokryphos> Answer: hoary-extras isn't illegal for just that -- it contains other illegal packages,.
[06:34] <Muhammad> http://www.webdtalk.com --- > is that looks a good site ?
[06:34] <Muhammad> and wiki is not working :s
[06:34] <imnes> https://mustang.dev.java.net/ I know you can get java 6 jdk source and binaries from there.
[06:34] <mik3> what's the syntax to zip a directory up on ubuntu
[06:34] <Answer> man tar
[06:35] <Answer> man gzip
[06:35] <mik3> what's the syntax to zip a directory up on ubuntu using zip, not tar or gzip
[06:35] <apokryphos> Answer: found out: sun's jre is not open source.
[06:35] <endy_x> mik3, 'man zip' :)
[06:35] <nlogax> mik3 zip only zips single files I think
[06:35] <nlogax> so you tar them all into one and then zip it
[06:36] <Answer> mik3: zip -r
[06:36] <mik3> i've looked at the man page i can't interperate the flags
[06:36] <apokryphos> But there are apparently source implementations of java's jre
[06:36] <mik3> ok thanks
[06:36] <daysleper> hi, where is something like /etc/conf.d/local.start in Ubuntu?
[06:36] <Answer> apokryphos: I do not think Sun or Ubuntu will prosecute for installing the Firefox plugin and jre.
[06:36] <Answer> Typically -r flag is for Recursive
[06:37] <apokryphos> Answer: so what? Doesn't make it legal.
[06:37] <Answer> If I can do it for free it is not my responsibility to care about the legality
[06:37] <Answer> I am disturbed that this has even been brought up
[06:37] <apokryphos> Rubbish. Of course it is.
[06:38] <nlogax> sorry I was thinking of gzip before - didn't realise zip did multiple files >-<
[06:38] <darkheart> You an kill someone for free, doesn't make it legal.
[06:38] <Answer> Installing the jre and the firefox plugin is NOT illegal.
[06:38] <crimsun> it is legal to use java-package to unpack the jdk/jre as distributed by sun or ibm onto your system.
[06:39] <__filip_> is it someway i can unmount my swap partition?
[06:39] <Answer> mik3: gzip -r works the same way
[06:39] <crimsun> swapoff -a
[06:39] <imnes> Is ubuntuforums.org down?
[06:39] <Muhammad> php and mysql is already installed on ubuntu
[06:39] <apokryphos> imnes: yes, apparently.
[06:40] <mik3> i gzip'd and tar's this thing i am compressing and it won't unzip on a windows box via winzip so
[06:40] <Muhammad> yes
[06:40] <Muhammad> imnes , same problem with me
[06:40] <apokryphos> crimsun: is it legal to create java packs, however?
[06:40] <apokryphos> redistribute
[06:40] <Answer> mik3: winzip can unzip .gz
[06:41] <mik3> i know it can, thanks, but it won't do it for this package
[06:41] <Answer> mik3: using tar with -z option will filter through gzip
[06:41] <mik3> i've already tried.
[06:41] <mik3> i've already tried.
[06:41] <crimsun> apokryphos: neither sun nor ibm allow redistributing repackaged jdks/jres afaik, hence why java-package is in multiverse
[06:41] <Muhammad> is there a problem with ubuntu servers ?
[06:42] <apokryphos> crimsun: they've been moved out, actually. Only in hoary-extras now.
[06:42] <AzMoo> Has anybody used skype on ubuntu?
[06:42] <CarlFK> AzMoo - I tried.  it kinda worked
[06:42] <Answer> mik3: use zip -r and it should uncompress in windows
[06:43] <CarlFK> AzMoo - then  I found out that there are over 10 opensource phones
[06:43] <__filip_> how can i unmount my swap partition?
[06:43] <nlogax> AzMoo just have to make sure your mic is turned up in the mixer
[06:43] <CarlFK> kphone is in the repos (not sure which)
[06:43] <kyoko> Hi, does anyone know if ubuntu supports having 2 monitors /is this easy / can you have like 1 workspace per monitor ?
[06:43] <apokryphos> __filip_: probably just remove it from fstab and then sudo mount -a
[06:43] <AzMoo> CarlFK, they connect to skype?
[06:43] <Answer> mik3: zip is equivalent to tar with -Z option to filter with 'compress'  (man compress)
[06:43] <__filip_> apokryphos: okej, i will try
[06:44] <CarlFK> AzMoo - none that I know of.  skupe doesn't use SIP (the standard VoIP protocol)
[06:44] <apokryphos> __filip_: best to backup your fstab first. =)
[06:44] <AzMoo> OK, gotta go for the real one then.
[06:44] <CarlFK> AzMoo - or you gota get smarter friends ;)
[06:44] <Answer> haqzor friendz
[06:44] <__filip_> opps
[06:44] <nlogax> AzMoo - also GnomeMeeting can call NetMeeting and vice-versa
[06:44] <__filip_> apokryphos: to late
[06:44] <Muhammad> no one helps me :(
[06:44] <Muhammad> ..
[06:44] <nlogax> Azmoo ... and supports webcams
[06:44] <rp78> how do i install icons from gnome art website
[06:45] <AzMoo> heh, I
[06:45] <Answer> Muhammad: please state your question in one line
[06:45] <AzMoo> I'm not even going to attempt to get these people to change
[06:45] <AzMoo> It wont happen.
[06:45] <kyoko> Hi, does anyone know if ubuntu supports having 2 monitors /is this easy / can you have like 1 workspace per monitor ?
[06:45] <CarlFK> AzMoo - thus the "get new friends" ;)
[06:45] <fdr> hello... I have written some latex sources... is there a console tool for doing the spellcheck? Thank you for the help!
[06:45] <Muhammad> Answer : Ubuntu Wiki dosent load :(
[06:45] <Seveas> fdr, aspell
[06:45] <mypapit> rp78, Preference->Theme->Install Theme and select the Icon tarball
[06:46] <WhiteRabbit> kyoko, nvidia will
[06:46] <nlogax> kyoko yes / not easy but manageable / I think so
[06:46] <Answer> Muhammad: What is the site of the wiki ?
[06:46] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:46] <mypapit> rp78,then close the Theme Manager,  and go back there again, the Icons will be there
[06:46] <nlogax> ubotu tell me about multiple monitors
[06:46] <kyoko> thanks a lot. i got a ATI card will that be a problem ?
[06:46] <AzMoo> CarlFK, I like these friends. They're female.
[06:46] <mik3> zip -r returned zip error: Nothing to do! (oreilly/.zip)
[06:46] <Jojeta> hi! I downloaded openoffice2 from sources, I every doc I'm trying to open make oo crash
[06:46] <Muhammad> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[06:46] <fdr> Seveas : thanks
[06:46] <rp78> wont i encounter errors, im using hoary
[06:47] <AzMoo> But anyway, thanks :)
[06:47] <apokryphos> Muhammad: well, if it doesn't load, what error do you get?
[06:47] <Answer> Muhammad: The Ubuntu Wiki loads fine for me (https://wiki.ubuntu.com//) (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation)
[06:47] <mypapit> rp78, you cant install it? what about other icons from arts.gnome?
[06:47] <poningru> awesome it worked
[06:47] <poningru> thanks Seveas
[06:47] <mypapit> rp78, mine works fine
[06:47] <Muhammad> works now :d
[06:48] <Muhammad> strange :S
[06:48] <rp78> i havent tried it yet, not logged in linux
[06:48] <mypapit> rp78, i see.. you should try it when you logged in.. ;)
[06:49] <Answer> Muhammed: now answer my question:  How to boot from the Install CD .iso?
[06:49] <rp78> what icons are you using, i downloaded dropline
[06:50] <deFrysk> rp78, nice icons
[06:50] <kemik> Answer:  burn it to a CD
[06:50] <Answer> kemik: Without a cd burner, how to boot from the Install CD .iso saved on /dev/hda2 (/mnt) ?
[06:50] <Muhammad> Go to system settings , do the botting settings .... insert the cd
[06:50] <Muhammad> and press enter
[06:50] <CarlFK> AzMoo - I hear this one works good (I havn't tired it yet)
[06:50] <CarlFK> http://www.openwengo.com/
[06:50] <Hoxzer> what could be the problem if I just installed linux and when I login the bar wont appear and I only see my mouse and backgroud
[06:51] <Muhammad> go through the installation steps
[06:51] <Muhammad> voila !
[06:51] <darkheart> Answer Mount it on loopback device and access it that way.
[06:51] <deFrysk> rp78, I use dropline etiquette
[06:51] <Hoxzer> I cant also acces to virtual consoles ;/
[06:51] <deFrysk> together with the standard vlearlooks
[06:51] <kemik> Answer:  not sure you can actually boot with only  a iso-image...
[06:51] <Answer> darkheart: Thank You, that sounds promising.  How to mount the .iso as a loopback device?
[06:51] <deFrysk> *clearlooks
[06:51] <kemik> mount -o loop isoimage.iso /mountpoint
[06:52] <Answer> Thanks.  How to boot from /mountpoint
[06:52] <darkheart> Answer I missed the part about 'boot'
[06:52] <kemik> Answer:  you probably cant do what you're trying to
[06:52] <Answer> FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION
[06:52] <kemik> too bad
[06:52] <selinium> apokryphos: Sorry, i will stop bugging you soon, I promise! But now i make fstab  /dev/hdb1     /media/windows	ext3   defaults    0       2  and it will make my new drive the home folder? or do i need to create a home folder on hdb1?
[06:52] <the4bagger> Hey, does anybody here run PengAOL?
[06:52] <apokryphos> Answer: please don't shout.
[06:53] <the4bagger> or perhaps somebody else can fix my problem
[06:53] <Muhammad> I dont know why ubuntu sites are working too slow :S
[06:53] <CarlFK> Answer https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[06:53] <selinium> apokryphos: Changing /media/windows/ for /home
[06:53] <apokryphos> selinium: make sure you mkdir /media/windowsext3 first
[06:54] <the4bagger> PengAol (a linux aol dialer) is trying to use ttys1 as my modem, but is having unsuccessful attempts. My modem is on the 2nd PCI slot in my computer, so what would the device address be?
[06:54] <nlogax> Answer: how about using some kind of VMWare-like system
[06:54] <apokryphos> selinium: so just do this (i) mount hdb1 on /media/something; (ii) mv your current /home to hdb1; (iii) mount hdb1 as /home
[06:54] <PovRayMan> my installer always locks
[06:54] <Answer> CarlFK: Thanks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[06:55] <mik3> what's the syntax to zip a directory up on ubuntu using zip, not tar or gzip
[06:55] <Answer> mik3: zip -R
[06:55] <CarlFK> Answer - I can answer q's about it for the next 10 min, then I am out for about an hour
[06:55] <gnumdk> hello
[06:55] <Answer> CarlFK: Assuming the Install CD .iso is mounted as /bootcd, how to boot from that directory?
[06:56] <Hoxzer> what could be the problem If I just simply login and then the Gnome Desktop bar wont load and I only see my mouse and background. I can't also acces to the virtual consoles with "ctrl+alt+f's"
[06:56] <Answer> Hoxzer: reinstall.
[06:56] <CarlFK> Answer - mounting the iso won't help.
[06:56] <CarlFK> do you have a CD drive?
[06:56] <Hoxzer> Answer......
[06:57] <CarlFK> Answer - if you have the cd in a cd drive, but it won't boot from it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[06:57] <mik3> Answer: neither -r or -R work.
[06:57] <Answer> CarlFK: On many computers there are no cd drives.  But there are network connections to download the ISO.  How to install without burning the CD ?
[06:57] <mik3> what's the syntax to zip a directory up on ubuntu using zip, not tar or gzip
[06:57] <nlogax> Hoxzer do you know another user account? can you log into Gnome with it?
[06:57] <selinium> apokryphos: Rebooting, see you on the otherside!
[06:57] <_BIJ_> hi@all
[06:57] <CarlFK> Answer exactly what you want: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[06:57] <CarlFK> Answer - but you have to read it ;)
[06:57] <Hoxzer> nlogax: actually I just installed it to that PC so no
[06:58] <apokryphos> selinium: wait :)
[06:58] <ompaul> any suggestions for a low CPU screensaver that is not a blank screen - I need it to show that there is something running on that box
[06:58] <apokryphos> selinium: no need to reboot -- just sudo mount -a
[06:58] <_BIJ_> first of all i got a question concerning breezy... after updating hoary to breezy the xserver is no longer willing to start... what can i do?!?
[06:58] <nlogax> and CTRL+ALT+F1, CTRL+ALT+F2 etc don't work?
[06:58] <Jojeta> why oo2 crashes everytime I open a document, I thought it's pretty stable, what's wrong?
[06:58] <apokryphos> gah
[06:58] <_BIJ_> i want my xserver back :-(
[06:59] <Hoxzer> nlogax: as I said virtual consoles wont work :<
[06:59] <nlogax> _BIJ_ looked at the logs ?
[06:59] <Hoxzer> before login
[06:59] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: breezy is the unstable version; it can break your system. etc etc
[06:59] <nlogax> Hoxzer, just checking you knew how to access them
[06:59] <Answer> CarlFK: Thanks! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[06:59] <Hoxzer> "before" I meant after
[06:59] <nlogax> I would suggest booting off a liveCD or otherwise mounting your / filesystem
[06:59] <_BIJ_> yes i've looked into the logs...
[06:59] <Hoxzer> virtual consoles work before I login...
[06:59] <Hoxzer> but not after
[06:59] <nlogax> Hoxzer ok, so before you login
[07:00] <_BIJ_> but i do not know what is wrong
[07:00] <Hoxzer> nlogax: do what?
[07:00] <CarlFK> Answer - I never realy finished that page - feel free to pm me wiht Q's even if I am out.  I'll try to get back to you in about  an hour
[07:00] <nlogax> Hoxzer: create a new user on the system from the CLI and then try logging in with it
[07:00] <Hoxzer> ok, will try
[07:00] <nlogax> Hoxzer: but it sounds as if X is locking your system solid
[07:00] <apokryphos> _BIJ_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:00] <Hoxzer> adduser was it?
[07:00] <Answer> CarlFK: I will be out for many hours, but I am working on this as an ongoing project for deployment.
[07:00] <nlogax> man adduser
[07:01] <Answer> man useradd
[07:01] <_BIJ_> apokryphos, i've tried this, but no chance...
[07:01] <_BIJ_> breezy wrecked my system
[07:01] <apokryphos> It can do that. Why did you upgrade?
[07:01] <CarlFK> Answer - folow the links to my email - please keep me posted good or bad
[07:01] <f_newton> upgrading is never my recommendation ... to a release version or experimental
[07:02] <nlogax> Hoxzer: also look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for evidence of problems
[07:02] <f_newton> too many conflicting libs left laying around
[07:02] <Hoxzer> wait wait....
[07:02] <f_newton> my advice is to make a /home partition and do a clean install leaving home intact
[07:02] <Hoxzer> what was to command to add user?
[07:02] <apokryphos> adduser
[07:02] <f_newton> adduser
[07:02] <Hoxzer> it wont just work
[07:03] <f_newton> Hoxzer, sudo?
[07:03] <Hoxzer> :D oh
[07:03] <nlogax> Hoxzer useradd and adduser both seem to be there - you'll need to use sudo of course
[07:03] <Hoxzer> forgot
[07:03] <f_newton> sudo adduser
[07:03] <f_newton> it took me a while to get used to the disabled root shell as well
[07:03] <nlogax> anyone know the diff betwixt useradd & adduser ?  man pages are different to one another
[07:03] <f_newton> but as far as running stability this ubuntu seems very good
[07:03] <mik3> sudo -r is your friend
[07:03] <selinium> apokrophos: Back but a little broken! I'm in irssi. Could not find home directory
[07:04] <nlogax> mik3 you mean sudo -s ?
[07:04] <f_newton> I gotta get my reading glasses!
[07:04] !lilo:*! Hi all. The NOLA Intel (Interdictor) folks need help. They're looking for volunteers to transcribe the FEMA streams from New Orleans. If you'd like to assist, please come to #nola-intel-help .... thanks!
[07:04] <apokryphos> selinium: What happened?
[07:04] <apokryphos> selinium: gnome couldn't find it?
[07:04] <Hoxzer> well before sudo it stills gives some tips about use of it but doesn't really start anything
[07:04] <selinium> apokryphos: nope
[07:05] <apokryphos> selinium: is it there though? i.e. in /home ?
[07:05] <selinium> could not find /home/james
[07:05] <Hoxzer> ooh.. now
[07:05] <Hoxzer> I thought it was useradd
[07:05] <nlogax> Ah, ok 'adduser' is a friendlier front-end to the useradd program
[07:05] <apokryphos> selinium: you didn't place your old /home into /media/whatever ?
[07:06] <selinium> apokryphos: yes, i did but in the folder home.
[07:06] <apokryphos> ?
[07:06] <the4bagger> PengAol (a linux aol dialer) is trying to use ttys1 as my modem, but is having unsuccessful attempts. My modem is on the 2nd PCI slot in my computer, so what would the device address be?
[07:07] <apokryphos> selinium: what do you mean?
[07:07] <Hoxzer> ok, seems like it wont give me bars even with new user :E
[07:07] <selinium> apokryphos: I copied the /home folder across, so now i have /home/home/james
[07:07] <selinium> apokryphos: oops
[07:07] <selinium> :)
[07:07] <apokryphos> selinium: oh :). Easy then. Just mv james to /home
[07:07] <nlogax> Hoxzer: yes it sounds like X is dying really badly - did you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[07:08] <selinium> apokryphos: k
[07:08] <nlogax> Hoxzer: also, what changed since your system was working last?
[07:08] <Hoxzer> nlogax: nope
[07:08] <apokryphos> selinium: be careful here. You do *not* want to lose your /home :)
[07:08] <Hoxzer> nlogax: my system hasn't been working
[07:08] <Hoxzer> I just installed it
[07:08] <nlogax> Never?  OK
[07:09] <nlogax> Hoxzer Was it a fresh install to a freshly-formatted partition?
[07:09] <Amaranth> hi
[07:09] <Hoxzer> nlogax: I splitted my HDD in two partions one was my for my XP install 30GB and one for ubuntu 10GB
[07:10] <the4bagger> My modem is on the 2nd PCI slot in my computer, so what would the device address be?
[07:10] <Muhammad> Amaranth sup !
[07:10] <Hoxzer> I created that partion in install
[07:10] <Hoxzer> maybe I try to reinstall
[07:11] <whyameye> is there a way to restart ALSA? I am getting ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:898:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to connect client
[07:11] <Amaranth> but since i know more HTML/CSS than the teacher, i figure i have some time to kill
[07:11] <nlogax> Hoxzer - what sort of vid car you got?
[07:11] <apokryphos> Amaranth: you dark horse you
[07:11] <selinium> apokryphos: going for another reboot! I saw you try to stop me just as the window shut down last time! So i will wait a little longer this time! :)
[07:11] <apokryphos> Amaranth: haven't yet seen a good ICT teacher, unfortunately.
[07:11] <GoClick> So the boss oked it, our product will officialy be deployed on Ubuntu machines instead of RedHat, Ubuntu 1, RedHat 0
[07:11] <Hoxzer> nlogax: 6800 le @ 6800
[07:12] <Hoxzer> its working fine in XP
[07:12] <apokryphos> selinium: you can just sudo mount -a
[07:12] <apokryphos> selinium: no need to reboot
[07:12] <selinium> k
[07:12] <f_newton> what product is that?
[07:13] <GoClick> It's an Intranet web application
[07:13] <nlogax> Hoxzer do you know how to switch to our private channel? (query) ?
[07:13] <GoClick> Basicaly it's glue
[07:13] <Hoxzer> no
[07:13] <selinium> apokryphos: xsession errors. :(
[07:13] <Dalkus> hi, I connected a laser mouse to my box runing ubuntu hoary and it worked without a re-login, however the mousewheel dosn't function - what can I do to configure it?
[07:13] <f_newton> it would make more sense, imho, to make linux apps available on all linux platforms both deb based and rpm based
[07:13] <Hoxzer> oh yeas :D
[07:13] <nlogax> Hoxzer, what IRC prog u using ?
[07:13] <apokryphos> selinium: what is it?
[07:13] <GoClick> f_newton well we deploy the servers too so it doesn't matter
[07:14] <fizzle> hey i need some help. i installed ubuntu on my desktop comp and when i go into linux it loads everything up then the screen goes black. it may be Xorg but im not sure. anyone/
[07:14] <f_newton> I am not convinced I would want to use ubuntu as a server system
[07:14] <f_newton> its a great desktop
[07:14] <GoClick> f_newton it runs Apache just fine
[07:14] <elver> What Ubuntu package has gnomeconf.sh? A package I'm trying to build can't find it.
[07:14] <GoClick> f_newton It does what we need it to do, and these machines never touch the Internet anyways
[07:14] <RichardC> is it recommended to use the x86 release or the x86_64 release of ubuntu with my athlon 64?
[07:14] <Sav^> I really could need som help, iv just got my "Acer TM 8101WLMi" and trying to install ubuntu, well the install was ok but got black screen. Did read about it on the forum and got it fixed. S gfx works but noting else. Did read on the forum about upgrading kernel to 2.6.12 and i only get "Kernel-Panic Not syncing VFS etc" i have added ext3 support in the kernel. Can anyone help me out
[07:14] <Sav^> Im soon back to windows, been struggeling this sience yesterday. Btw, the howto i followed is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46536&highlight=8103
[07:15] <whyameye> how do I restart ALSA?
[07:15] <selinium> apokryphos: window open for less than 10 secs
[07:15] <wastrel> i forgot my password - what do i do to reset it :]
[07:15] <fizzle> umm ive installed ubuntu and it loads the kernel and all the services but the screen just goes blank with a blinking underscore
[07:15] <fizzle> anyoner/
[07:15] <apokryphos> selinium: and what error do you get?
[07:16] <f_newton> GoClick, so far nothing that you've said makes much of an argument eithe way... there are security issues by being in the wild but an intranet can be just as challenging as internet
[07:16] <gnumdk> can i have the result of apt-cache policy libxt6 on hoary?
[07:16] <selinium> can i pm it?
[07:16] <f_newton> however congratulations on your implementation
[07:16] <the4bagger> My modem is on the 2nd PCI slot in my computer, so what would the device address be?
[07:16] <apokryphos> selinium: to me? Sure.
[07:16] <GoClick> f_newton I'd hardly say it's the same
[07:17] <wastrel> gnumdk, #flood
[07:17] <f_newton> lol ok
[07:17] <selinium> ok not sure how it works in irssi but here goes!
[07:18] <GoClick> f_newton in an offices with only 10 people whom none of which are technical in any way, I'd say there is little risk of something going wrong. They log into the Intranet and enter data make phone calls enter more data make charts and graphs and go home
[07:18] <selinium> A
[07:19] <f_newton> if I had a room full of windows monkeys using computers I would install ubuntu on the desktops but I would still either use rhel or centOS as a server os
[07:19] <PovRayMan> ok i installed ubuntu
[07:19] <PovRayMan> only problem is i'm at a command prompt
[07:19] <PovRayMan> how do i make X or whatever startup
[07:19] <wastrel> how do i reset my password, i forgot it.  normally i'd drop to root and reset, but i haven't set a root pw yet.
[07:19] <PovRayMan> the livecd made this work just fine
[07:19] <f_newton> that is a decision based on experience and familiarity not a knock on ubuntu
[07:19] <apokryphos> wastrel: there's no root in ubuntu.
[07:19] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell wastrel about root
[07:19] <GoClick> gtg
[07:20] <apokryphos> well, there is, but the pass is scrambled, rather.
[07:20] <DJWillis> PovRayMan: something is not right, Ubuntu boots into x.org after an install
[07:20] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: startx
[07:20] <PovRayMan> hmmm crap
[07:20] <PovRayMan> startx command not found
[07:20] <DJWillis> try startx ;-)
[07:20] <DJWillis> ahh
[07:20] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: err, did you do a server install?
[07:20] <PovRayMan> i had to use custom-expert install
[07:20] <wastrel> apok: i'm aware of that but i'm asking how to reset my user password, which i have forgotten
[07:20] <f_newton> wastrel, the root shell is disabled by default in ubuntu.  It can be activated but security reasons are good enough for it to remain disabled
[07:20] <PovRayMan> from this warty 4.10 cd
[07:21] <wastrel> f_newton i'm ask8ing about my user password,
[07:21] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: upgrade to hoary
[07:21] <PovRayMan> for some reason any normal simple way to install ubutntu it freezes
[07:21] <f_newton> ahhh...
[07:21] <PovRayMan> i can't
[07:21] <PovRayMan> no more cds
[07:21] <PovRayMan> so i'm using this
[07:21] <f_newton> wastrel let me check
[07:21] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: you have net on there, no/
[07:21] <PovRayMan> not yet
[07:21] <DJWillis> PovRayMan: Horty REALLY is worth the effort.
[07:21] <PovRayMan> does horty do anything to the insatller that would make it work while this locks up under normal pretenses?
[07:21] <f_newton> wastrel , system/administration/users and groups
[07:22] <DJWillis> laptops, yep, loads better IMHO
[07:22] <PovRayMan> this is an old computer
[07:22] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: if you just want to get ubuntu running on warty... sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:22] <PovRayMan> pentium2, 192mb ram
[07:22] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: though, you should upgrade to Hoary.
[07:22] <PovRayMan> man all i want is aim/irc
[07:22] <nlogax> wastrel: boot a live CD, mount your Ubuntu / filesystem and edit /etc/passwd
[07:22] <PovRayMan> and happy gnome
[07:22] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: some here are not even on hoary, but on Breezy :)  (the version after Hoary)
[07:22] <f_newton> PovRayMan, that will work but it will be slow
[07:22] <DJWillis> hmmm, not really then I guess, tried other distros on it?
[07:22] <the4bagger> what is the linux address for the 2nd pci slot on your computer?
[07:22] <PovRayMan> nah
[07:23] <PovRayMan> the live cd was plenty speedy
[07:23] <f_newton> the4bagger, try lspci
[07:23] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: do that command I told you; it'll get you up-and-running
[07:23] <PovRayMan> apokryphos not on the network
[07:23] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: ok, insert the CD then
[07:23] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: do you still have the Warty CD?
[07:23] <PovRayMan> oh crap hold on
[07:23] <PovRayMan> i think you fixed me
[07:23] <wastrel> kthx bye
[07:23] <PovRayMan> i thought apt-get was that internet command to download stuff
[07:23] <VoX> are the ubuntuforums down?
[07:24] <PovRayMan> i'm a linux newbie at best
[07:24] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: APT is the package management system
[07:24] <PovRayMan> during the install i told the cd to move all the packages to the harddisc
[07:24] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: you can use it to grab packages, either from a CD or from the Internet.
[07:24] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: erm, ok...
[07:24] <DJWillis> PovRayMan: packages can be on any medium, HDD, CD, NET etc.
[07:24] <the4bagger> f_newton, i just need to know the path to it ex: /dev/ttys1
[07:24] <HappyFool> greetings all
[07:24] <PovRayMan> ok its asking for the cd
[07:24] <PovRayMan> now its working!
[07:24] <apokryphos> go for it
[07:24] <f_newton> doesnt lspci give you the path?
[07:24] <thrice`> breezy running strong
[07:24] <PovRayMan> thanks for explaining apt-get
[07:25] <apokryphos> no problem
[07:25] <PovRayMan> hmm 0% working, come on 1%
[07:25] <apokryphos> heh
[07:25] <selinium> Back!
[07:25] <the4bagger> f_newton, i will have to restart the pc to do that command, and lspci give a wrather long list that i dont know how to scroll up on
[07:25] <apokryphos> selinium: what happened?
[07:25] <PovRayMan> hmm its awfully quiet..
[07:25] <f_newton> the4bagger, restart the machine?  what are you talking about?
[07:25] <PovRayMan> fuck, kernel panic :(
[07:25] <thrice`> though breezy is pretty damn slow =]
[07:26] <the4bagger> f_newton, im running a dual boot system and im on windows right now
[07:26] <apokryphos> eh?
[07:26] <selinium> apokryphos: I had some chmod/chown issues. Sorted them now back!
[07:26] <apokryphos> thrice`: first thing I noticed about breezy was the increase in speed
[07:26] <PovRayMan> i just got a kernel panic, not its dead
[07:26] <rob_p> VoX:  They seem to be down... again!
[07:26] <Muhammad> raising over $30,000 in under nine hours .. by somethingawful.com .. then paypal freezed the account !!
[07:26] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: did you not do the sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[07:26] <PovRayMan> <-- from somethingawful
[07:26] <PovRayMan> i did that apokryphos
[07:26] <nlogax> Does Ubotu know about changing to the VESA driver?
[07:26] <PovRayMan> and it started to go, then paniced
[07:26] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: you could just re-insert the warty CD and install it again
[07:26] <PovRayMan> i just did that
[07:26] <__filip_> i have 2 unallocated partitions, how can i make them to one partition?
[07:26] <apokryphos> selinium: and is gnome etc up-and-running?
[07:27] <PovRayMan> i got this before
[07:27] <f_newton> I see ... well that is a problem then... but generally your hardware is assigned id numbers based on its position in the line up not position on the pci slot, but I could be wrong... in any case first is 0 second is 1 and so on
[07:27] <apokryphos> __filip_: mount them in fstab
[07:27] <PovRayMan> anytime it wanted to automatically figure itself out and do the install it would panic and lock dead
[07:27] <rob_p> VoX:  They really do seem to be down an awful lot :-(
[07:27] <pef> have to go, bye !
[07:27] <__filip_> apokryphos: how can i do that?
[07:27] <the4bagger> f_newton, so my 2nd pci device would be labeled ttys1?
[07:27] <apokryphos> __filip_: what is the fs type?
[07:27] <PovRayMan> only when i did custom-expert and then disabled ALL the ide drivers EXCEPT the generic and the linux one did ubuntu actually work
[07:27] <LoneNightCrawler> hey guys, I just installed Ubuntu.. and I'm wondering how I can install DVD support?
[07:27] <f_newton> is it a ttys?
[07:28] <selinium> apokryphos: Yep!
[07:28] <apokryphos> excellent =)
[07:28] <f_newton> what did your ppp app id it as?
[07:28] <DJWillis> PovRayMan: Hmmm, an old P2 you say, is ACPI enabled in the BIOS? That may need to be OFF to get a good install on old kit like that as a lot of older PC's have fubar ACPI implementations
[07:28] <PovRayMan> DJWillis: ok i'm on it
[07:28] <the4bagger> f_newton, when I set up PengAOL it used ttys1, but i dont think that is the correct path
[07:28] <selinium> apokryphos: I may have been a bit heavy handed in my chmod'ing though. I chmod -R 0755 my folder.
[07:28] <PovRayMan> is it ok to reboot in the middle of linux loadign?
[07:28] <__filip_> apokryphos: hda7 and hda4 is the partition i whant to make to one.
[07:28] <nlogax> LoneNightCrawler - I found out how to do it on Ubuntuguide.org - although I'm not supposed to suggest you go there
[07:29] <apokryphos> selinium: that's ok, if you don't want group to write. You can chown recursive, too.
[07:29] <apokryphos> __filip_: yes, what is the filesystem type? vfat, ntfs?
[07:29] <f_newton> the4bagger, what kind of a modem is it?  its a winmodem isnt it?  unless youve got something like a linuxant driver loaded its not going to work
[07:29] <selinium> apokryphos: I did, all me:me lol
[07:29] <apokryphos> 8)
[07:29] <__filip_> now is it nothing. but i whant to make them as ext3.
[07:29] <the4bagger> mmmk, how do i get linuxant?
[07:29] <the4bagger> im pretty sure its a conexant winmodem
[07:30] <apokryphos> __filip_: you will first need to format them, then. Use gparted or qtparted for that
[07:30] <selinium> apokryphos: THankyou for all your help, you have been fantastic! You too Seveas! :)
[07:30] <nlogax> LoneNightCrawler - look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:30] <__filip_> apokryphos Okej.
[07:30] <f_newton> conexant?  good luck
[07:30] <apokryphos> selinium: sure :)
[07:30] <mik3> if i control + c an apt-get upgrade can i continue it later?
[07:30] <f_newton> my advice go buy a real modem (external serial port modem with a controller)
[07:31] <PovRayMan> DJWillis: If I don't see ACPI in bios, how can i fix this otherwise
[07:31] <apokryphos> mik3: yes
[07:31] <__filip_> apokryphos: Now have I format them, what is next?
[07:31] <apokryphos> mik3: though it may have unfinished things.
[07:31] <apokryphos> __filip_: erm, that was pretty quick. Are you sure you properly formated and commited changes?
[07:31] <mik3> oh
[07:32] <__filip_> apokryphos: Yes I am sure I have done that.
[07:32] <apokryphos> __filip_: ok then; just put in an entry in fstab for the respective partitions then.
[07:32] <PeaceMakr> anyone ever managed to get iburst working?
[07:33] <nlogax> ubotu tell me about restrictedformats
[07:33] <apokryphos> __filip_: structure it like this:   /dev/hdxX       /some/directory           ext3    defaults        0       2
[07:33] <PovRayMan> DJWillis: as far as I can see, there is no option for ACPI in bios :(
[07:33] <f_newton> the4bagger, the problem with controllerless modems is they use a windows script to enable the processor to provide the actual modem function.  Linux is NOT windoes
[07:33] <__filip_> apokryphos: But I whant to make them to one partition.
[07:33] <apokryphos> __filip_: you want them to be one partition?
[07:33] <__filip_> apokryphos: yupp
[07:33] <apokryphos> __filip_: then you should have deleted the partitions, then formated them as one partition.
[07:33] <__filip_> apokryphos: How can i make that in GParted?
[07:34] <__filip_> apokryphos: format them as one
[07:34] <apokryphos> __filip_: if you first delete the partitions, then they should be grouped together as unallocated space or something
[07:34] <selinium> apokryphos: Just one little problem. Value for `/apps/gnome-settings/gnome-panel/history-gnome-run' set in a read-only  I cant find it to change it!
[07:34] <apokryphos> __filip_: always be careful when using a partition manager, though. :)
[07:34] <__filip_> apokryphos: Nupp, they are not togheter.
[07:35] <apokryphos> __filip_: there are multiple unallocated spaces? :/
[07:35] <__filip_> apokryphos: yes
[07:35] <apokryphos> selinium: it tells you the path, doesn't it?
[07:35] <tommi^> Hi. Does my hoary know how to write NTFS properly and use the linux user / groups id's etc. on it?
[07:35] <apokryphos> __filip_: are the two partitions between others on the HD or something?
[07:36] <selinium> apokryphos: But where is the apps folder?
[07:36] <apokryphos> selinium: not sure how gnome stuff is structured, but, try doing a locate for history-gnome-run
[07:36] <__filip_> apokryphos: I have one harddrive, and the partitions i whant to make togeheter is hda7 and hda4
[07:36] <apokryphos> selinium: you'll have to sudo updatedb if you havent' done so recently
[07:37] <apokryphos> __filip_: ah, so they are in between others. I don't think it's easily possible, then.
[07:37] <__filip_> yes
[07:37] <selinium> apokryphos: Nope, what does that do?
[07:37] <apokryphos> selinium: sudo updatedb will update the cache DB for locate to use. Try sudo updatedb && locate history-gnome-run
[07:38] <selinium> Cheers
[07:38] <PovRayMan> ok so ubuntu here is kernel panicing on me.  I can't disable acpi in bios.   It is on my machine!
[07:38] <apokryphos> yes
[07:39] <Xen`> can anyone suggest a pci wireless lan card that is supported by ubuntu out of the box (so not prism2 based, i cant get my prism2 based card working for the life of me)
[07:39] <apokryphos> selinium: Quite some time
[07:39] <__filip_> apokryphos Now i think i know the problems. One is primary and one is Logical.
[07:39] <selinium> apokryphos: Gnome has just gone :(   ROFL
[07:39] <apokryphos> selinium: eh?
[07:39] <emile> PovRayMan: i guess you can stop it with /etc/init.d/acpid stop
[07:39] <srid> is it safe to upgrade to breezy now?
[07:40] <apokryphos> srid: not really
[07:40] <PovRayMan> emile: where do i do this
[07:40] <rp78> how do i configure serial mouse
[07:40] <selinium> apokryphos: It's back now!  You can try, but it can still break your system.
[07:41] <srid> apokryphos: should I join any mailing list for tracking problems?
[07:41] <emile> PovRayMan: this is not the permanent solution, i dont know about that (yet)
[07:41] <apokryphos> __filip_: probably not. When you delete the partition it loses such properties, I would have thought.
[07:41] <PovRayMan> ok thanks i'm going to see if this will work out now
[07:41] <apokryphos> srid: you could join the ubuntu-devel mailing list.
[07:41] <thellama> firefox widgets are way to ugly and windows 2000, how do I correct them? For OSX theres an app called firefoxy...
[07:41] <__filip_> apokryphos: Okej
[07:42] <__filip_> Is it someone more in here that know how i can make 2 partitions to 1?
[07:42] <apokryphos> __filip_: for them to be one the other partitions would have to be "shuvd" over
[07:42] <apokryphos> which isn't really going to happen
[07:43] <__filip_> apokryphos: In windows is that no problems.
[07:43] <the4bagger> f_newton, My modem is a lucent win modem
[07:43] <PovRayMan> emile: hmm it told me command not found
[07:44] <apokryphos> PovRayMan: you got loads of problems; really, since you haven't actually done anything with the current one, it's worth reinstalling and doing a default installation.
[07:44] <f_newton> the4bagger, lucent modems have a chance with linmodem or linuxant
[07:44] <PovRayMan> that's the problem
[07:44] <f_newton> try linmodem.org
[07:44] <PovRayMan> default installation locks up with a kernel panic
[07:44] <tommi^> If I encrypt a partition, should I partition it as ext2, ext3 or as reiserfs? The ubuntu wiki example uses reiserfs, is there a significant purpose in it?
[07:44] <PovRayMan> i've gotten so much further by doing custom-expert
[07:44] <f_newton> the lucent chipset includes the radio
[07:44] <f_newton> that may work
[07:45] <__filip_> I have one more question, what should i write if i whant to add an swap space to fstab?
[07:45] <thellama> how could I open a .sit?
[07:45] <f_newton> radio wrong term
[07:45] <wastrel> stuffit expander
[07:45] <wastrel> i believe there's a linux version
[07:45] <the4bagger> f_newton, how can i determine the chipset under windows?
[07:46] <PovRayMan> ok i'm downloading 5.04
[07:46] <f_newton> you just told me it was a lucent chipset
[07:46] <Quinthius> __filip_: if swap is on, say, /dev/hdb5, you would do something like this: /dev/hdb5 none swap sw 0 0
[07:46] <thellama> wastrel: thanks
[07:46] <the4bagger> yes
[07:46] <selinium> apokyphos: I just went to  'Run Application' and all applications are greyed out... :(
[07:46] <__filip_> okej
[07:46] <f_newton> in windows you can use the device manager to see what modem it is
[07:46] <f_newton> it will tell you
[07:46] <BlueEagle> the4bagger: Hi, how is your setup going?
[07:46] <thellama> why is there evolution mail and evolution when they're the exact same thing?
[07:46] <PovRayMan> is 5.04 what i want?
[07:46] <apokryphos> yes
[07:47] <PovRayMan> i'm getting a nice solid 800k/sec
[07:47] <f_newton> thats the latest release ver
[07:47] <PovRayMan> i love comcast!
[07:47] <apokryphos> selinium: if you type the application in konsole what does it say?
[07:47] <the4bagger> BlueEagle, i went back to knoppix
[07:47] <apokryphos> selinium: erm, terminal I mean
[07:47] <BlueEagle> the4bagger: Why?
[07:47] <the4bagger> BlueEagle, because i was tired of troubleshooting ubuntu for 4 days straight
[07:48] <fizzle> my xorg is borked :(
[07:48] <f_newton> the4bagger, ubuntu needs very little trouble shooting
[07:48] <PovRayMan> ubuntu live cd works so great
[07:48] <PovRayMan> but the installer is just a headache :(
[07:48] <f_newton>  it seems to work well right out of the box
[07:48] <selinium> apokryphos, thanks for the tab tip! It comes up with the same error. gnome-settings
[07:48] <f_newton> what were your problems
[07:48] <f_newton> ?
[07:48] <thellama> whats the difference between evolution mail and evolution?
[07:48] <PovRayMan> stupid machine needs to learn how to run it locally
[07:48] <f_newton> none
[07:48] <nlogax> They shouldn't teach Evolution in schools
[07:48] <BlueEagle> the4bagger: :) Well you might want to try mandriva. It has got easier setup tools. Well, atleast Mandrake had when I tried it. I'm going to burn it down after I've done some work to my fstable scheme.
[07:48] <thellama> so why are there two panel buttons?
[07:48] <f_newton> its just two entries in the menu
[07:48] <thellama> nlogax: why?
[07:48] <f_newton> does it bother you thellama ?
[07:48] <f_newton> delete one
[07:48] <nlogax> sorry, joke :-)
[07:48] <thellama> okay
[07:48] <thellama> ;)
[07:49] <PeaceMakr> has anyone managed to make iburst run in ubuntu OR any other distro?
[07:49] <thellama> but why do they have different icons in breezy?
[07:49] <f_newton> they do in hoary too
[07:49] <thellama> so why?
[07:49] <f_newton> its because its clasified as officed and as internet
[07:49] <thellama> ah
[07:49] <PovRayMan> 1 blank cd left, 5.04 better install all happylike or else :(
[07:49] <selinium> apokryphos, locate didn't find it.. I started it at /  does it need locate *history-gnome-run* /  ?
[07:50] <thellama> I think they should remove one icon, it's too confusing :D
[07:50] <f_newton> thellama, actually I worry about that statement...
[07:50] <the4bagger> f_newton, can we talk about it in PM? its wrather lengthly
[07:50] <REBELinBLUE> hey
[07:50] <apokryphos> selinium: sorry about that, I was disconnected. I would've missed any messages you posted...
[07:50] <thellama> hehe
[07:50] <f_newton> no thanks the4
[07:50] <f_newton> the4bagger, I dont do pm
[07:50] <PovRayMan> nlogax: i'm broke
[07:50] <selinium> apokryphos, no probs  locate didn't find it.. I started it at /  does it need locate *history-gnome-run* /  ?
[07:51] <the4bagger> ok, i guess i can try to shorten it up in here then
[07:51] <f_newton> the4bagger, join me in #pre-school
[07:51] <REBELinBLUE> has anyone here got WINE running with any application which uses the system tray?
[07:51] <apokryphos> selinium: nope; just locate {fielname}
[07:51] <apokryphos> selinium: what happens when you type an application in Terminal?
[07:51] <selinium> apokryphos, it didn't find it!
[07:51] <thellama> they say breezy has a boot thingy... or no boot text?
[07:51] <Quinthius> thellama: i haven't bothered running them, but i assume "Evolution Mail" is just the mail client, while "Evolution" is the full suite...
[07:51] <apokryphos> selinium: what does it say exactly?
[07:51] <m0biu5> My Uni wants me to use MS Visual C++, but I don't hae windows - anyone have a good C++ compiler replacement?
[07:51] <Zotnix> thellama: It shows a picture and some text
[07:51] <Zotnix> But not as spammy
[07:52] <Zotnix> and a progress bar of the bootup process
[07:52] <Quinthius> m0biu5: g++ :P
[07:52] <apokryphos> selinium: it doesn't really make sense, since if programs didn't run, then gnome etc wouldn't work; it's a collection of programs.
[07:52] <selinium> apokryphos, it fine, no errors!
[07:52] <apokryphos> eh?
[07:52] <Belutz> new gnome is out today right???
[07:53] <nlogax> Gnome 2.12 is released 7 September so if you're in NZ then yes it's today
[07:53] <selinium> apokryphos, Got me baffled! I haven't deleted the old /home folder yet. But that shouldn't cause problems should it?
[07:53] <nlogax> over this side of the world, it's tomorrow
[07:53] <Belutz> nlogax: i'm in indonesia
[07:53] <chrisbudden14> is www.ubuntuforums.org down?
[07:54] <Belutz> new gnome is the greatest bday present for me :D
[07:54] <apokryphos> selinium: erm, where exactly is the old /home folder then?
[07:54] <Quinthius> Belutz: when is your birthday?
[07:54] <nlogax> Belutz :-) and happy birthday
[07:54] <Belutz> Quinthius: 7 sept :)
[07:54] <ilba7r> !x window library
[07:54] <ubotu> ilba7r: Are you smoking crack?
[07:54] <Belutz> nlogax: thx :)
[07:54] <Quinthius> Belutz: hehe, mine too. what year?
[07:54] <selinium> apokryphos, If i use gnome to open an app, it complains but still opens the app. no complaint in term.  /home on hda1
[07:54] <ilba7r> ok any one know what is the package for xwindow library and headers
[07:54] <Belutz> Quinthius: 1978, u?
[07:54] <ilba7r> !info x window library
[07:54] <Quinthius> Belutz: ahh, few years diff... 1981
[07:55] <Belutz> Quinthius: happy bday to you :)
[07:55] <thellama> why dont I see the boot picture? im in breezy?
[07:55] <apokryphos> selinium: how exactly are you accessing that /home though?
[07:55] <Quinthius> Belutz: happy birthday to you too! :P
[07:55] <nlogax> thellama I think that was only added in Colony 4 which released yesterday
[07:55] <selinium> apokryphos, mounting it from hdb1
[07:55] <Belutz> Quinthius: thx :)
[07:55] <ilba7r> ! compiling from source
[07:55] <ubotu> ilba7r: Do they come in packets of five?
[07:55] <chrisbudden14> is the ubuntu forum down?
[07:55] <rob_p> chrisbudden14:  It was when I tried about 20 minutes ago...
[07:55] <nlogax> chrisbudden14 yes
[07:55] <thellama> nlogax: will i see it in synaptic>?
[07:56] <chrisbudden14> ok good
[07:56] <chrisbudden14> not just me then
[07:56] <selinium> apokryphos, mounting it from hdb1 in fstab
[07:56] <apokryphos> selinium: I dont' see how that works, but it definitely shouldn't exist, especially if you're specifying /home in fstab to go to hdb1
[07:56] <chrisbudden14> thanks rob_p and nlogax
[07:56] <apokryphos> selinium: but you said the *old* /home you're accessing. How?
[07:56] <nlogax> thellama - not sure sorry
[07:57] <thellama> it fine, thanks :)
[07:57] <Xappe> thellama: you have an ibook right? as far as I know there is no usplash (boot image) for ppc yet...but I might be wrong, though I have not found one
[07:57] <thellama> Xappe: aww man...
[07:57] <selinium> apokryphos, I am not accessong it, but it is still on hda1
[07:57] <selinium> *accessing
[07:57] <apokryphos> ok, nevermind then.
[07:57] <thellama> oh well, boot text doesn't  bother me, it just scares the others
[07:58] <thellama> especially when they see "network time: FAIL"
[07:58] <apokryphos> thellama: what's the problem?
[07:58] <thellama> huh?
[07:58] <thellama> oh
[07:58] <thellama> I have an ibook
[07:58] <thellama> bo usplash
[07:58] <Xappe> thellama: it was you who got composite running yesterday, right?
[07:58] <thellama> *no
[07:58] <apokryphos> thellama: breezy?
[07:58] <thellama> Xappe: yeah!
[07:58] <thellama> yes, breezy
[07:58] <apokryphos> There's an option you have to enable for that
[07:58] <thellama> oh
[07:58] <apokryphos> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009741.html
[07:58] <thellama> even on ppc?
[07:58] <apokryphos> I presume it's the same, yes.
[07:59] <thellama> okie dokey
[07:59] <Xappe> thellama: well, I tried compolsiting some deopshadows, but they, most of the time, turn yellow on me...
[07:59] <Xappe> :/
[08:00] <apokryphos> Suffice it to say, composite effects are not quite perfected. =)
[08:00] <argazoon> what is the best manual for a noob like me to read.  I've installed ubuntu and set up apache 2.0, but I can't figure out how to administrate apache as far as usr rights etc.
[08:00] <apokryphos> argazoon: the wiki is pretty good, as is the rute manual
[08:00] <Xappe> apokryphos: so true but yet so sad :)
[08:00] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell argazoon about rute
[08:01] <argazoon> thanks apokryhos
[08:01] <nlogax> ubotu: tell me about rute
[08:01] <thellama> ubotu: give me some cheese
[08:01] <ubotu> thellama: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:02] <thellama> ubotu: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:02] <ubotu> thellama: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:02] <Xappe> sudo apt-cache search usplash returns nothing on my ibook :/
[08:02] <thellama> hmm
[08:02] <nlogax> !snackbot
[08:02] <ubotu> nlogax: What?
[08:02] <apokryphos> On Holiday for a week so I guess I'll see you all then. Adieu. :)
[08:02] <nlogax> !botsnack
[08:02] <ubotu> thanks nlogax :)
[08:02] <thellama> g2g
[08:02] <nlogax> someone should tell Ubotu that RUTE has moved to http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
[08:02] <Hoxzer> :)
[08:03] <argazoon> thanks again... I'll be back after I read all of rute :)
[08:03] <Hoxzer> is there any pinds for change of desktops?
[08:03] <chrisbudden14> How would i mount a SD/MMC card reader built into my laptop?
[08:04] <selinium> apokryphos: I jave to go out now. Thanks for all your help!
[08:04] <PovRayMan> ok here we go
[08:05] <PovRayMan> going to install 5.04
[08:05] <Hoxzer> how do I moun HDD?
[08:06] <Quinthius> Amaranth: hah, is that how it's going to be?
[08:06] <PovRayMan> haha nice Amaranth
[08:06] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted
[08:06] <Amaranth> Quinthius: I dunno, some people have valid reasons for having a black background.
[08:07] <srid> i wonder whether my hard disk shock absorber in Thinkpad is usable in Ubuntu :-/
[08:07] <Amaranth> i thought that was all in hardware, no software
[08:07] <Quinthius> Amaranth: oh, ninjas is a reference to that i guess?
[08:07] <darksatanic> srid: Unlikely. The kernel people are still discussing the best way of doing it.
[08:08] <Amaranth> Quinthius: No, I think that's just andy's sense of humor. :)
[08:08] <Amaranth> Quinthius: But there is a reason the Windows XP boot screen is black
[08:08] <Quinthius> Amaranth: ah hehe. well, i was asking if that text is gonna be there when breezy is released or whatever
[08:09] <Amaranth> Quinthius: It isn't there now?
[08:09] <Quinthius> Amaranth: hell if i know, not using breezy :)
[08:09] <tommi^> How do I find out what programs are accessing partition x?
[08:09] <Amaranth> Quinthius: I only used the first version of usplash, they've gotten a lot more done sense then.
[08:09] <nlogax> tommi^ I would use lsof output against df to see which files were where
[08:10] <nlogax> lsof = list open files
[08:10] <tommi^> nlogax, I'll try, thanks
[08:10] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted
[08:11] <icewt> !language
[08:11] <ubotu> icewt: I give up, what is it?
[08:12] <sanketmedhi> hello
[08:12] <icewt> is it possible to change the language after ubuntu has been installed?
[08:12] <codomaniac> breezy is safe now ?
[08:12] <sanketmedhi> yes if it is installed
[08:13] <VoX> codomaniac: im using it now, not having any issues
[08:13] <ui> !ping
[08:13] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, ui.
[08:13] <sanketmedhi> lol
[08:13] <sanketmedhi> hi ubotu
[08:13] <codomaniac> VoX, i meant is it stable now ?
[08:13] <ui> ubotu is a bot
[08:13] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, ui
[08:13] <ui> :P
[08:13] <sanketmedhi> i know
[08:14] <sanketmedhi> :P
[08:14] <sanketmedhi> ubotu rocks! :P
[08:14] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: Not a clue
[08:14] <sanketmedhi> hehe
[08:14] <VoX> codomaniac: dunno
[08:14] <codomaniac> okay id wait then.
[08:14] <VoX> why?
[08:14] <Amaranth> icewt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:14] <codomaniac> whats the improvements in breezy than hoary ? VoX ?
[08:14] <Amaranth> codomaniac: too many to list
[08:14] <icewt> Amaranth, ok, thanks
[08:15] <codomaniac> Amaranth, mention some please ?
[08:15] <sanketmedhi> floyd_n_milan, welcome
[08:15] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted    can anyone help me with this
[08:15] <Amaranth> codomaniac: all of the improvements in every piece of software ubuntu includes would have to be listed and just the ones in GNOME 2.12 are probably too numerous to mention
[08:15] <floyd_n_milan> sanketmedhi, stupid nick :P
[08:15] <sanketmedhi> ubotu, say hi to floyd_n_milan
[08:15] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: Wish i knew
[08:15] <floyd_n_milan> ubotu, hello
[08:15] <ubotu> niihau, floyd_n_milan
[08:16] <sanketmedhi> what lang is tht ubotu?
[08:16] <sanketmedhi> ubotu?
[08:16] <icewt> Amaranth, so that affects to gnome etc. , changes the language pack?
[08:16] <codomaniac> Amaranth, i know. Okay what version of KDE is there ?
[08:16] <Amaranth> codomaniac: much better laptop support, better probing for resolutions, more various laptop and video related things, GNOME 2.12 (see their release notes), usplash, and a bunch of geekier things :)
[08:16] <sgarrity> anyone else run into a "I could not start your session and so I have started the failsafe xterm session..." after login in Breezy?
[08:16] <sanketmedhi> ubotu, floyd_n_milan wants to talk
[08:16] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: Are you smoking crack?
[08:16] <Amaranth> codomaniac: what's the latest version?
[08:16] <sanketmedhi> no :P
[08:17] <sanketmedhi> ubotu, no
[08:17] <Seveas> sanketmedhi, ubotu is a bot
[08:17] <ubotu> sanketmedhi: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:17] <codomaniac> Amaranth, so it is kde 3.4 ?
[08:17] <sanketmedhi> oye Seveas, y did u
[08:17] <Amaranth> icewt: If it doesn't I think there is a GNOME capplet (in System->Preferences) for it
[08:17] <floyd_n_milan> sanketmedhi, i had figured it out already ;)
[08:17] <Amaranth> icewt: but i'm on XP right now so i couldn't tell you
[08:17] <darksatanic> Is there any way of making the Live CD boot (a) quickly, and (b) into a text-mode console?
[08:17] <Amaranth> codomaniac: afaik, yes
[08:17] <sanketmedhi> Seveas, i was trying to foll floyd_n_milan  :P
[08:17] <codomaniac> okay Amaranth
[08:17] <Seveas> sanketmedhi, don't
[08:17] <sanketmedhi> floyd_n_milan, isnt it cool?
[08:18] <sanketmedhi> Seveas, i know him personally
[08:18] <PeaceMakr> anyone here familiar with iburst?
[08:18] <floyd_n_milan> sanketmedhi, i've seen talking bots before dear
[08:18] <Seveas> sanketmedhi, playing with the bot is bad
[08:18] <icewt> Amaranth, hm..
[08:18] <Bergcube> darksatanic~ Probably not a useful answer but....  You could copy the entire CD to a USB 2.0 memory stick?
[08:18] <sanketmedhi> Seveas, how n why?
[08:18] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted
[08:18] <jackjack> I have a problem logging into Ubuntu.  Gives me message  "could not set mod 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory   operation not permitted
[08:18] <floyd_n_milan> anyways, hello to all
[08:18] <sanketmedhi> floyd_n_milan, ohh! :P
[08:18] <darksatanic> Bergcube: You're right, it's not useful. :)
[08:18] <floyd_n_milan> and i 'll leave now :)
[08:18] <floyd_n_milan> bye bye
[08:18] <Bergcube> darksatanic~ Then you're welcome!
[08:19] <selinium> Seveas: When i try and open an app through gnome i get an error now. /apps/gnome-settings/gnome-panel/history-gnome-run' set in a read-only.   any ideas?
[08:19] <jeanjean>  I tryed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto on Breezy and Hoary nd unmuted everything but still no sound (have intel HD sounc card)
[08:19] <Seveas> jackjack, never run gui stuff as root - this is the result of that.
[08:19] <selinium> Seveas: sorry apokryphos had to go....
[08:19] <jeanjean> can someone help
[08:19] <selinium> :)
[08:19] <Amaranth> jackjack: please don't repeat yourself
[08:19] <codomaniac> Amaranth, again tell me which version of gnome is on breezy ?
[08:19] <Amaranth> codomaniac: 2.12
[08:19] <Seveas> login in text mode and sudo chown $USER:$USER $HOME
[08:19] <jackjack> im not running it as root
[08:20] <Seveas> selinium, -ENOCLUE
[08:20] <clarknova> can someone tell me how to fix a kernel panic on boot? "<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
[08:20] <Bergcube> darksatanic~ You see, I've ordered a Kingston 1 Gbyte memory stic, and I'm eager to experiment with it...  Would be great to make Ubuntu boot from it!
[08:20] <clarknova> i had to force a shutdown and this was the result.
[08:20] <sanketmedhi> Seveas, is there a bot plugin/script for Gaim?
[08:20] <Seveas> sanketmedhi, no
[08:20] <sanketmedhi> ohk
[08:20] <codomaniac> Amaranth, okay after 2.12 gnome is rolled breezy stable will be rolled it hink.
[08:20] <Seveas> and except ubotu, bots are not allowed in here
[08:21] <icewt> i guess the language can be changed with language-pack-* and language-support-* packages , but how exactly should it be done?
[08:21] <codomaniac> 10th october Amaranth
[08:21] <BockBilbo> why do i get redirected to ubuntu-unregged sometimes?
[08:21] <BockBilbo> :S
[08:21] <deltron> register your nick
[08:21] <VoX> BockBilbo: because you havent identified your nick
[08:21] <BockBilbo> (if im obiously registered)
[08:21] <Seveas> BockBilbo, set your nickserv password as server password
[08:21] <BockBilbo> mmm i guess its a problem with xchat
[08:21] <selinium> Seveas: Any idea where i can find that folder, i have been looking for 10 mins! :)
[08:21] <VoX> BockBilbo: no
[08:22] <BockBilbo> Seveas, ive everything properly configured, and xchat registers by myself
[08:22] <VoX> BockBilbo: it's because you havent identified with nickserv
[08:22] <Amaranth> codomaniac: 2.12 is set to release tomorrow, ubuntu will probably have it before the release email goes out
[08:22] <Seveas> selinium, it's not a folder
[08:22] <Seveas> it's a gconf key
[08:22] <Seveas> open gconf-editor
[08:22] <Seveas> Amaranth, it's been uploaded already
[08:22] <selinium> Seveas: :) learnign new stuff again!
[08:22] <BockBilbo> VoX yes i have
[08:23] <BockBilbo> i was registered like a year ago
[08:23] <BockBilbo> but well, anyways
[08:23] <mik3> hi i want to make a directory on my desktop and make it so when you double click on it to open it it brings me to /home/mike
[08:23] <mik3> how do i do that
[08:23] <VoX> BockBilbo: re-read what i said. there's difference between being registered and being identified.
[08:23] <Amaranth> Seveas: but i thought the tarballs weren't due until midnight
[08:23] <Seveas> Amaranth, timezones ;)
[08:23] <BockBilbo> i know VoX ... but i guess its that xchat identified me after logging in to ubuntu
[08:24] <Amaranth> d'oh, GMT
[08:24] <Seveas> BockBilbo, yeah XCHAT is slow
[08:24] <darkheart> mik3 Open a console and type 'ln -s /home/mike /home/mike/Desktop'
[08:24] <Seveas> GMT is 18:24 now
[08:24] <mik3> thanks
[08:24] <Amaranth> wait, that's still 6 hours away
[08:24] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:24] <BockBilbo> by the way, is breeze already stable enough (inside unstability) to dist-upgrade and dont die in the attempt?? (ive tried it like 4 times in the past months and i had to reinstall everything)
[08:24] <Seveas> but in australia it's sep 7th for a while :)
[08:24] <BockBilbo> *breezy
[08:25] <Seveas> BockBilbo, ymmv
[08:25] <mik3> wait what? i want to link /home/mike with /home/mike/Desktop/home
[08:25] <BockBilbo> Seveas, ymmv?
[08:25] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: If you want to be safe, wait for the release candidate.
[08:25] <Seveas> your mileage may vary
[08:25] <clarknova> Can someone tell me how to fix a kernel panic on boot? "<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I had to force a shutdown and this was the result.
[08:25] <BockBilbo> well... ive always used unstable releases, i used to use sid, and hoary when it was unstable...
[08:25] <Xen`> can anyone suggest a pci wireless lan card that is supported by ubuntu out of the box (so not prism2 based, i cant get my prism2 based card working for the life of me)
[08:25] <selinium> Seveas: how can I make the conf file readable? Where is it kept?/
[08:26] <Seveas> BockBilbo, ubuntu unstable is not like debian unstable
[08:26] <BockBilbo> mmm i see... what happens is that ive managed to get a pretty stable and good installation of hoary
[08:26] <Seveas> it's a much rougher ride
[08:26] <BockBilbo> i know Seveas
[08:26] <BockBilbo> ;)
[08:26] <mik3> hi i want to make a directory on my desktop and make it so when you double click on it to open it it brings me to /home/mike - how do i do that
[08:26] <Seveas> mik3, you just were told...
[08:26] <Seveas> and you can also enable the 'show homedir' thing in gconf
[08:26] <BockBilbo> mmm Seveas so what should i do?
[08:26] <Seveas> stick to hoary
[08:27] <znh> hmm.. I did the Ati's auto graphical installer, but after the installation X servers gives 'FATAL: fglrx not found'
[08:27] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: the sid you were using wasn't living up to it's name, sid is really unstable after a release and slowly gets better and better as the dust settles
[08:27] <cecile> re
[08:27] <Stalwart> znh, try to reboot
[08:27] <znh> Stalwart: oh ok..
[08:27] <znh> brb then
[08:28] <clarknova> Can someone tell me how to fix a kernel panic on boot? "<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" I had to force a shutdown and this was the result. Do i have to reinstall?
[08:28] <HappyFool> clarknova: what have you changed?
[08:28] <Blissex> clarknova: no, but that means you have found a bug in the kernel.
[08:29] <clarknova> nothing. i rebooted serveral times with no change before this happened.
[08:29] <HappyFool> clarknova: you said you had to force a shutdown?
[08:29] <clarknova> well it was forced for me by the untimely removal of a power cord.
[08:29] <djfm> hi
[08:29] <HappyFool> clarknova: ah, right
[08:30] <BockBilbo> thanks Seveas and Amaranth , ill upgrade with the RC
[08:30] <djfm> Is it possible to add to nautilus a "open terminal" button like the one in kde's konqueror ?
[08:30] <RedTailhawk> first off ill state the obvious im a noob to linux. when i was installing ubuntu the grub failed and i continued with install and foolishly put the lilo on master boot record. now only ubuntu installs. is there anyway i could fix it so i can get back to windows and start from scratch again trying to dual boot?
[08:30] <BockBilbo> i guess itll be ready almost in a month, right?
[08:30] <HappyFool> clarknova: have you tried 'recovery mode' boot? how far into the boot do you get?
[08:30] <clarknova> HappyFool: yes. i get the same panic.
[08:31] <znh> I rebooted, but still fglrxinfo says Mesa..
[08:32] <znh> I installed the fglrx drivers for my ATi card, however after the installation the drivers don't seem to even exist!
[08:32] <clarknova> Blissex: can you reccomend a course of action?
[08:32] <clarknova> (i'd also like to report this bug, somehow)
[08:32] <clarknova> ((in a meaningful way))
[08:32] <Blissex> clarknova: bugs.kernel.org and there is a nice HOWTO on how to report kernel bugs.
[08:33] <timmytheturtle> hey all, I justed installed ubuntu, when the installation finished and it loaded gnome and my monitor gave me a freq error
[08:33] <clarknova> thank you. Do you have an idea of what i can do instead of reinstalling?
[08:33] <HappyFool> clarknova: try booting of the live cd and see if you can mount your drive
[08:33] <HappyFool> clarknova: maybe you can run fsck on the drive
[08:33] <clarknova> not the install, but live Ubuntu?
[08:33] <endy_x> is anyone else having problems reaching ubuntuforums.org?
[08:34] <icewt> if i want to change the language, is it okay to just uninstall the language packs and install new ones?
[08:34] <RedTailhawk> i couldnt
[08:34] <HappyFool> clarknova: yeah, the live CD. you might be able to do it with the install cd and 'expert' mode
[08:34] <clarknova> and you're gong to tell me to fsck if i can get that to work, yes?
[08:34] <HappyFool> clarknova: is there lots of data at risk?
[08:35] <fizzle\out> hello i need help isntalling the kernel sources if u can help pls pm me :(
[08:35] <znh> Why does my ATi drivers don't work after the installation?
[08:35] <HappyFool> !tell fizzle\out about kernelhowto
[08:35] <Kuolio> is ubuntuforums.org down? i cant seem to connect :(
[08:35] <clarknova> HappyFool: no. it's a relatively new install. i just don't want to have to repeat ten hours of work, and then have to repeat more the next time this happens
[08:35] <HappyFool> clarknova: it's not very common, in my experience
[08:35] <endy_x> Kuolio, been like that for me for a few hours now :S
[08:35] <znh> hmm.. I don't seem to have connection to IRC anymore
[08:36] <Kuolio> bah, dang :(
[08:36] <clarknova> well if it happened once to me, it'll probably happen again because i'm still using the same platform.
[08:36] <PeaceMakr> clarknova you cant access your HD?
[08:36] <HappyFool> clarknova: i've had at least 1 'production' system have an unexpected power-out and survive
[08:36] <Xeruan> Years ago, when I was around 14 I installed Linux and tried to use it.. though I had no idea about what was going on.
[08:37] <znh> lol gladd no one can hear me
[08:37] <Xeruan> Now that I have free time, I was wanting to play around with it some more.. but my question is.. should I use Ubuntu and what size partitions should I use?
[08:37] <clarknova> yes. but were you running it on a compac pressario 1277? (the point being that if my platform is the same and the software is the same the problem will probably be the same)
[08:37] <HappyFool> clarknova: if your platform includes regular power-cord pulling outs, then you may encounter the same problem ;)
[08:37] <znh> I can say whatever I want because you are all ignoring me la la la la..
[08:37] <fizzle\out> HappyFool that doesnt explain how to install the sources though
[08:37] <clarknova> yeah :) well. it's a laptop and i can't afford to replace the battery. so i'd like to know a better way of fixing the problem than reinstalling.
[08:37] <CarlFK> Xeruan - Ubuntu yes.  let it figure out the partition sizes.  and have a better goal than " play around with it"
[08:38] <clarknova> anyway, i'll try to fsck it
[08:38] <PeaceMakr> znh try reinstalling it
[08:38] <znh> PeaceMakr: I did that already, didn't do any
[08:38] <HappyFool> clarknova: i think the theory is that ext3 is robust to this sort of thing, but i'm not that sure about that sort of thing
[08:38] <CarlFK> Xeruan - something like: surf the web.  or send eamil.  or print a picture from your camera
[08:38] <HappyFool> fizzle\out: stand by
[08:38] <HappyFool> fizzle\out: what do you want to actually achieve?
[08:39] <PeaceMakr> i was so looking forward to using linux and i see so many hardware issues : (
[08:39] <Xeruan> carl
[08:39] <fizzle\out> HappyFool; im trying to compile ndiswrapper so i can get my wireless nic to work so i can get on the net. but in order to do this i need to install the kernel sources
[08:39] <Xeruan> the second answer.. what does that pertain to?
[08:39] <clarknova> oh. hmm. now after sitting in this state for two hours it's giving me more clues. basically it thinks someone's pressing too many keys.
[08:39] <HappyFool> fizzle\out: have you read the ndiswrapper page on the wiki?
[08:39] <fizzle\out> no im doing that now
[08:39] <PeaceMakr> znh i have a new nvidia 6200, im sure ill have driver issues
[08:39] <CarlFK> Xeruan - simple goals that you might have some interest in.
[08:39] <fizzle\out> hmm ok brb
[08:39] <znh> PeaceMakr: you will diffenetly have, and no one will help you in this channel :P
[08:40] <HappyFool> fizzle\out: there is a section on the kernelhowto page entitled 'Obtaining the Source'
[08:40] <timmytheturtle> hey all, I justed installed ubuntu, when the installation finished and it loaded gnome and my monitor gave me a freq error
[08:40] <timmytheturtle> anyone now whats going on with that?
[08:40] <PeaceMakr> znh im putting out free pizza and beer in order to find a local linux geek to help me out lol
[08:41] <CarlFK> PeaceMakr - where?
[08:41] <Xeruan> If I install Ubuntu will it auto partition my drive as well as install onto one of them?
[08:41] <PeaceMakr> CarlFK Johannesburg
[08:41] <znh> PeaceMakr: everyone ignores each other here, we're the only one that commuincate
[08:41] <CarlFK> Xeruan - yes.
[08:41] <HappyFool> znh: you've read the ati howto on the wiki?
[08:41] <znh> HappyFool: no, nobody even told me about it
[08:41] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: i'm in pta ;) where's the pizza ?
[08:41] <znh> !ati
[08:41] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[08:41] <CarlFK> PeaceMakr - rats ;)
[08:41] <HappyFool> !tell znh about ati
[08:41] <Xeruan> so i wont have to worry about it installing over my current Windows OS?
[08:41] <znh> argh spam
[08:41] <znh> :P
[08:41] <HappyFool> znh: oops, sorry
[08:42] <znh> HappyFool: np, I love that someone finnaly hears me
[08:42] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool get my iburst running like it should and ill feed you till you cant move lol
[08:42] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: have you tried the livecd ?
[08:42] <CarlFK> Xeruan - do you want it to?
[08:42] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: erk
[08:42] <Xeruan> no
[08:42] <CarlFK> Xeruan - XP?
[08:42] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: looked maybe on www.myadsl.co.za ?
[08:43] <Xeruan> yeas
[08:43] <Xeruan> i dont want to share partitions
[08:43] <Xeruan> i want to entirely different ones
[08:43] <RedTailhawk> first off ill state the obvious im a noob to linux. when i was installing ubuntu the grub failed and i continued with install and foolishly put the lilo on master boot record. now only ubuntu boots. is there anyway i could fix it so i can get back to windows and start from scratch again trying to dual boot? i guess im asking how to uninstall unbuntu, i think
[08:43] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool actually i tried livecd first to get a feel of ubuntu, figured the full install would be best, no go
[08:43] <CarlFK> Xeruan - the ubuntu installer will let you shrink the ntfs (xp) partition to make free space for a new partition.  you just have to figure out how much space you want to use
[08:44] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: "no-go" is iburst or video card?
[08:44] <Xeruan> i have 400GB of free space
[08:44] <Xeruan> no need to shrink
[08:44] <PeaceMakr> so far ive tried ubuntu, knoppix, linspire, suse
[08:44] <HappyFool> RedTailhawk: do you have a windows install cd ?
[08:44] <RedTailhawk> yes
[08:44] <PovRayMan> i'm glad i spent my last cd on 5.04 because this is seeming to work better than 4.10
[08:44] <CarlFK> Xeruan - 400g that isn't part of a partition?
[08:44] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool iburst is a wireless system
[08:44] <HappyFool> RedTailhawk: boot with that and run 'fixmbr' -- should give you windows back
[08:44] <PovRayMan> i'm almost at 100%
[08:45] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: i know what it is. myadsl have an iburst forum
[08:45] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: if wbs can't help you, maybe they can
[08:45] <icewt> if i want to change the language, is it okay to just uninstall the language packs and install new ones?
[08:45] <RedTailhawk> HappyFool ty ill try that
[08:45] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool been there many many times
[08:45] <Xeruan> carl:  yes
[08:45] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: ah, ok. anyway, if they can't help you with linux, i suspect no-one can
[08:45] <CarlFK> Xeruan - one of your choices will be: use free space.  use that one.
[08:46] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool wbs cant help anyone, specially not on linux
[08:46] <Trackilizer> Hey people, i know i said this often enough but i love Ubuntu.
[08:46] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: doh
[08:46] <Trackilizer> It's the only linux distro to this day that has simply worked for me.
[08:47] <disasm> Trackilizer: glad to hear
[08:47] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool i read that pclinuxos has a iburst support, but i have not read that it actually works, guess ill have to order the cd
[08:48] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: hmm. googled for 'linux iburst' ?
[08:48] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool lol oh you bet, been searching for answers for 3 weeks now
[08:48] <Trackilizer> I tryed Fedora core 4 but it simply sucked.
[08:49] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: hmm. this obviously didn't work? http://www.mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?s=b0872a5a2a435e59829434b34e33431a&p=290452#post290452
[08:49] <Trackilizer> Nothing seemed to work aswell as it did in Ubuntu.
[08:49] <Trackilizer> And apt is way better than yum.
[08:49] <Shikamaroo> can anyone tell me how to start yaboot using the mac openfirmware?
[08:49] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool youll see my posts all over lol
[08:49] <Trackilizer> And nothing seemded to want to work aswell as it did in ubuntu.
[08:49] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: ok
[08:49] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: oh, right
[08:50] <caonex> Anybody here with a zv6000 laptop?
[08:51] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool i bet you a slice of pizza that if i had a dialup setup it would work first time around
[08:51] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: well, if you have a winmodem (like me) you need to get special drivers
[08:52] <PeaceMakr> ive not read many posts about normal dialup issues
[08:52] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: *and* i needed a patch for the 2.6.10 kernel, so it wasn't plain sailing
[08:52] <Shikamaroo> does ubuntu have a forums?
[08:52] <PeaceMakr> yes
[08:52] <Shikamaroo> where?
[08:52] <fizzle> how do i install xmms
[08:52] <PeaceMakr> Shikamaroo google: ubuntu forums
[08:52] <HappyFool> ubuntuforums.org, i think
[08:52] <paulw> anyone here had experience with configuring sound drivers (alsa)?
[08:52] <HappyFool> fizzle: have you setup the network repositories?
[08:53] <fizzle> HappyFool, my network is up and running
[08:53] <fizzle> so ya ...
[08:53] <HappyFool> fizzle: have you added the network repositories to synaptic or in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:53] <fizzle> what u meen by repositories i dont know :(
[08:53] <fizzle> umm no
[08:53] <HappyFool> fizzle: ok, it's easy
[08:53] <HappyFool> !tell fizzle about repos
[08:54] <PeaceMakr> i think one could buy a linux box off the shelf with printer/modem etc and be much better off
[08:54] <Pyf> im trying to set up last.fm radio (audioscrobbler) ive downloaded a tar.bz2 file, what do i do with it?
[08:54] <HappyFool> fizzle: after you do that, xmms will appear in the list of packages synaptic offers you, and you can easily install it
[08:54] <fizzle> ubuntu is nice
[08:54] <Trackilizer> Yup! unlike Fedora
[08:54] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: yeah, apparently canonical is doing something with HP to have ubuntu preinstalled on laptops
[08:54] <Trackilizer> What is it people like about Fedora?
[08:54] <HappyFool> PeaceMakr: pretty much guarantees working hardware
[08:55] <PeaceMakr> HappyFool ive seen desktops also
[08:56] <PeaceMakr> i think a person that doesnt have any computer hardware should consider the linux box
[08:56] <timmytheturtle> can someone help me with this problem I'm having. I installed ubuntu, when the installation finished and it loaded gnome and my monitor gave me a freq error. Any comments on that???
[08:56] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" Any ideas?
[08:57] <PeaceMakr> timmytheturtle how old is the monitor?
[08:57] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: can you tell us more precisely what the error message was?
[08:58] <Shikamaroo> does anyone know where to find how to boot yaboot from openfirmware on mac g3 blue?
[08:58] <timmytheturtle> PeaceMakr:The monitor is about 2 years old. HappyFool:Not unless I reboot into ubuntu
[08:58] <PeaceMakr> timmytheturtle it gave an error?
[08:59] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: you did a standard (i.e., not expert) install?
[08:59] <Trackilizer> May i ask why you call yourself "HappyFool"?
[08:59] <Shikamaroo> does anyone know why yaboot wouldnt boot automatically on a g3 power pc?
[08:59] <HappyFool> Trackilizer: random nick chosen many years ago ;)
[08:59] <timmytheturtle> PeackMakr: it was really an error messgage, the monitor just went to a screen, much like the no signal found screen
[08:59] <Trackilizer> I see.
[09:00] <caonex> Anybody here running ubuntu in amd64?
[09:00] <timmytheturtle> HappyFool: its was the standard install
[09:00] <Shikamaroo> does anyone here have yaboot working on a power pc?
[09:01] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: you can try booting into rescue mode, and running 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' -- maybe you can specify your monitor parameters (assuming you know or can find them)
[09:01] <PeaceMakr> timmytheturtle i dont know if ubuntu has special software to setup the vsync etc of your monitor, i know suse does but...
[09:01] <Xeruan> cao... im d/ling it now
[09:01] <Xeruan> thats what i am going ot use
[09:02] <Shikamaroo> does anyone know how to boot linux from openfirmware?
[09:02] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" I've googled with no real luck. :D
[09:02] <timmytheturtle> HappyFool: I can try that and looking around for paramters PeaceMakr: i've tried kanotix/knoppix before, and the worked, I just don't like kde as much as gnome
[09:03] <PeaceMakr> strange how some distros can pickup the most obscure hardware and yet fail to configure a mouse, or the opposite
[09:03] <MyNameIsSam> I'm a linux newb. I have the pre-release beta of Mac OSX86 installed on this PC and I am trying to access files that are on my hard drive from Ubuntu Live. I'm on ubuntu live right now and need assistance finding files from my hard drive. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[09:03] <Hoxzer> somebody here has any idea how I can change the ownership of the folder?
[09:03] <HappyFool> Hoxzer:    chown username foldername
[09:03] <DewDude> this strange
[09:04] <HappyFool> Hoxzer: you will probably need sudo for that (ie., sudo chown username foldername)
[09:04] <Shikamaroo> does anyone here know how to make a yaboot cd to boot my linux?
[09:04] <DewDude> nope
[09:04] <fizzle> um im looking in the package list and i dont see the base xmms system
[09:04] <DewDude> this thing is still broken
[09:04] <fizzle> what do i do?
[09:04] <DewDude> now i can 't shift
[09:04] <HappyFool> fizzle: what do you see?
[09:04] <fizzle> HappyFool, i see a bunch of XMMS packages but not the base package for xmms
[09:04] <DewDude> *38531 Hiram Hollow Rd, Wise, VA 24293 eserghuuuuyuyyyuuyyuyyuyyoiyuoiyu=-
[09:05] <DewDude>  3
[09:05] <DewDude>  3
[09:05] <Shikamaroo> is it possible to make yaboot boot my installed linux like it would a live version?
[09:05] <HappyFool> fizzle: then you haven't added the 'main' repository
[09:05] <Pyf> im trying to set up last.fm radio (audioscrobbler) ive downloaded a tar.bz2 file, what do i do with it?
[09:05] <Shikamaroo> on a cd
[09:05] <HappyFool> fizzle: you need 'main' and 'restricted' as well as 'universe' and 'multiverse'
[09:05] <fizzle> o
[09:05] <fizzle> ok
[09:06] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: do you know much about mounting partitions etc?
[09:06] <MyNameIsSam> Not much, I also need to resize the partition of my hard drive.
[09:07] <Shikamaroo> Seveas: hey can u help me? i need to know if i can make a cd that will load yaboot much like a live cd but that will use my installed version on my hard drive instead of a live cd version
[09:07] <fizzle> HappyFool, ive enabled all my repositories and dont see it
[09:07] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: ok, start a root terminal (Applications -> System tools -> root terminal)  (ps., i am not that familiar with the live cd, let me know if something is missing or different)
[09:08] <MyNameIsSam> ok, got the terminal up
[09:08] <HappyFool> fizzle: ok, please open the text editor (applications -> accessories -> text editor), open the file /etc/apt/sources.list and put it on the pastebin (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl)
[09:08] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: ok, can you paste the output of 'fdisk -l' to the pastebin? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:08] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: put the output of 'mount' there too (same paste is ok)
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> Disk /dev/hda: 203.9 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>56 bytes
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> 47 heads, 63 sectors/track, 134514 cylinders
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> Units = cylinders of 2961 * 512 = 1516032 bytes
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> /dev/hda1   *           1        4250     6290896+  af  Unknown
[09:09] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: not here
[09:09] <HappyFool> *sigh*
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> Oh crap
[09:09] <MyNameIsSam> Sorry
[09:09] <PeaceMakr> lol
[09:09] <Hoxzer> no ......:D
[09:09] <fizzle> HappyFool, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1968
[09:10] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" I've googled with no real luck. :D
[09:10] <Hoxzer> it says that I cant change folder's permissions because of it can't be read
[09:10] <Hoxzer> :E
[09:10] <Hoxzer> what thats supose to mean
[09:11] <MyNameIsSam> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d1969
[09:11] <HappyFool> fizzle: hmm. looks ok. did you edit the file yourself?
[09:11] <fizzle> HappyFool, nope but im about ot
[09:11] <fizzle> to*
[09:11] <HappyFool> fizzle: try pressing 'reload' in synaptic; does that make a difference?
[09:11] <caonex> anybody here with amd64 and ati radeon 200m xpress?
[09:11] <CookedGryphon> how do i set up my laptop to go through my main pc's dial up internet? I have them set up for filesharing with static IPs of <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> and i'm not sure what to do next
[09:11] <DewDude> aty128fb: Invalid ROM signature 8181 should be 0xaa55
[09:12] <DewDude> ??
[09:12] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: ok, i'm not familiar with mac filesystems; let me just check some docs...
[09:12] <PeaceMakr> Hoxzer thats nothing, i booted as root, tried to copy/apste a file and was told that i dont have permission, i feel like im 5 years old lol
[09:12] <MyNameIsSam> Alright, thanks for your help HappyFool, you're a lifesaver.
[09:12] <fizzle> one sec
[09:12] <Hoxzer> this is like wtf
[09:12] <Hoxzer> :E
[09:13] <timmytheturtle> Happyfool, what parameters do I need to know to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:13] <Hoxzer> I can read it fine....
[09:13] <Hoxzer> but it says I can't
[09:13] <HappyFool> timmytheturtle: off hand i can't remember. vertical and horizontal frequencies of your monitor at least; video card model as well
[09:13] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: hmm, not sure what partition type that is
[09:14] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: anyway, let's try mounting it read-only
[09:14] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: type 'mkdir -p /mnt/hda1' (this creates a directory, the mount point)
[09:14] <sublimewls> howdy everyone
[09:14] <caonex> I have installed Ubuntu for Amd64, and it seems to have a problem with my Ati 200 Xpress card. I read some where that it may be necessary to not use framebuffer, can i just send the command through grub or should i reinstall instead?
[09:15] <PeaceMakr> timmytheturtle try a default setting, like 800x600 60hz and work your way back
[09:15] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: that should give not output; if it does, there's an error -- let me know
[09:15] <sublimewls> is there any other progs that i can use besides kwifimanager? i am a newbie and i somehow got my wireless card to work (Belkin f5d7000 rev 02) but i cant connect to anything
[09:15] <[t0rc] > which ones do I need if I'm running off of a fresh install of 5.04? https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[09:15] <CookedGryphon> how do i set up my laptop to go through my main pc's dial up internet? I have them set up for filesharing with static IPs of <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> and i'm not sure what to do next.. anyone?
[09:15] <MyNameIsSam> No reply from terminal
[09:15] <JaredT> I'm having trouble with mplayerplug-in. Whenever I try to watch a movie or listen to a audio stream I get stuck at "cache fill 18.75%" Has anyone experienced this problem or have an idea as to how to resolve it?
[09:15] <sublimewls> i have entered different WEP keys... and i dont even get a signal
[09:15] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: good
[09:16] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: now 'mount -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1'
[09:16] <Fred|Fr3d> hey, how do i make SSH not wait for about 10-12 seconds before it asks me for my password?
[09:16] <PeaceMakr> wireless either works or doesnt apparently, have you seached the web sublimewls?
[09:16] <Fred|Fr3d> it ends up saying "using keyboard for login" or something like that
[09:16] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: hopefully it will auto-detect the partition type, if it's supported
[09:16] <sublimewls> yes i have peacemakr
[09:16] <MyNameIsSam> Now I've got a blank line, seems to be working
[09:16] <sublimewls> i have tried installing different progs... but i dont know how to do that if i have the .deb or .rpm locally
[09:16] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: ok, what is the output of 'mount|grep /dev/hda1'
[09:17] <HappyFool> MyNameIsSam: you can paste single lines here in channel ;)
[09:17] <kafeine> sublimewls, dpkg -i foo.deb
[09:17] <mae> does anyone else get garbled print output from certain pdf files with evince?
[09:17] <kafeine> for .rmps, you will need alien
[09:17] <sublimewls> dpkg: error processing foo.deb (--install):
[09:17] <sublimewls>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[09:17] <sublimewls> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:17] <sublimewls>  foo.deb