[05:05] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals
[05:05] <Tsar_vonHumbug> cheers Seveas, will take a look, thanks
[05:05] <osity> everything seems fine except for that error...
[05:06] <Seveas> cas, try to access them by IP instead of name
[05:06] <inc595> brb
[05:06] <Tsar_vonHumbug> cas - there's 2 different samba services u need - the nmbd is for netbios resolution, smbd takes care of the actual file sharing
[05:06] <Seveas> osity, can you paste the output of sudo fdisk -l && cat /etc/fstab on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:07] <cas> Seveas: no, the resolving is doing fine and both the name and ip are timing out
[05:07] <nalioth> now to just figure out UTC
[05:07] <Seveas> cas, ah ok, i'll shut up again then :)
[05:07] <cas> Tsar_vonHumbug: but i need to access windows pc's do i need smbd then?
[05:07] <osity> seaves: i cant
[05:07] <Seveas> nalioth, date --utc
[05:08] <cas> Seveas: hehe don't bother every help is welcome :)
[05:08] <nalioth> Seveas: such simplicity right in front of my nose
[05:08] <Tsar_vonHumbug> smbd is what the file transfer is over - usually runs out of inetd
[05:08] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, he is accessing windows pc's...
[05:08] <Seveas> not from windows to linux :)
[05:08] <osity> Seveas: someone told me yesterday it was becaues of the way the drive was partitionee
[05:09] <Tsar_vonHumbug> oh, duh - i c
[05:09] <Seveas> osity, when does it give this error, on boot..?
[05:09] <osity> Seveas: yes
[05:09] <Seveas> osity, so you cannot boot..?
[05:09] <nalioth> Status of sending notification mails:
[05:09] <nalioth> [en]  DanielHolbach, DanielRobitaille, AndrewMitchell: Mail sent OK
[05:09] <Tsar_vonHumbug> cas - so what's your mount command?
[05:10] <nalioth> i hate blank spaces
[05:10] <osity> Seveas: i can boot fine....it just gives the error...the drive is an empty formatted drive
[05:10] <cas> sudo mount -t smbfs //<ipOrName>/share /mnt/dir
[05:10] <osity> Seveas: i have 3 drives.....1x40gb  2x200gb
[05:10] <cas> Tsar_vonHumbug: sudo mount -t smbfs //<ipOrName>/share /mnt/dir
[05:11] <Seveas> osity, are the old paritions still in /etc/fstab perhaps?
[05:11] <osity> Seveas:  Linux is on the 40gb....the 200's are to be partitioned and then raieded
[05:11] <_SWAT_> Seveas, nice drives :)
[05:11] <Seveas> cas, have you tried smb://ip/share in nautilus..?
[05:11] <osity> Seveas: dont think so ...its a fresh install of ubuntu
[05:11] <CarlFK> on my RH firewall box I have a script: dhcpcd-eth0.exe to update DynDNS - whats the Ubuntu way?
[05:12] <_SWAT_> osity, nice drives (I meant you)
[05:12] <osity> :)
[05:12] <jsimmons> anyone here using an Epson Stylus R200?
[05:12] <misfit_toy> has anyone figured out why the system will suddenly go to 99% cpu? it has to be a gnome thing because I've seen the same thing with FC
[05:12] <Tsar_vonHumbug> cas - what version 'doze is the share on?
[05:12] <mauper> CarlFK: ddclient ?
[05:12] <Seveas> CarlFK, ddclient
[05:12] <Seveas> damn, too late ;)
[05:12] <Prottie> misfit_toy: what does top say?
[05:12] <cas> Seveas: will try
[05:12] <mauper> lol
[05:12] <Tsar_vonHumbug> misfit_toy, what's 'top' show?
[05:13] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Prottie, 'snap'!
[05:13] <kvidell> Tsar_vonHumbug: top shows top ;)
[05:13] <Tsar_vonHumbug> lol
[05:13] <misfit_toy> it's not doing it right now, but when it does, top usually shows it being firefox or evolution or xorg itself
[05:13] <_SWAT_> samba works fine here :) (Ubuntu hoary <> Windows XP)
[05:13] <osity> Seveas: i was told I had to partition the drive a way other than one whole device.....
[05:13] <kvidell> sorry.. I've used solaris a bit too much. I'm jaded by "top"
[05:13] <Prottie> misfit_toy: so it changes?
[05:14] <cas> Tsar_vonHumbug: what do you mean?
[05:14] <misfit_toy> on the FC box I used to have it was a bunch of gnome pieces, like gnome-vfs, etc...
[05:14] <mauper> misfit_toy: I think there are some system cron jobs (like logging etc.) run daily
[05:14] <Prottie> misfit_toy: when being firefox my guess is flash
[05:14] <Tsar_vonHumbug> what version are the windows boxes running? 98, XP, etc?
[05:14] <wdh> misfit_toy, firefox tends to eat up my resources here when i open a few tabs...not sure why..
[05:14] <inc595> mauper, here are some screenshots of my fluxbox on ubuntu http://ubuntu.minimzx.com/screenshot.jpg http://ubuntu.minimzx.com/screenshot2.jpg
[05:14] <korCZiz> cas: when i used mount -t smbfs //<IP_ADDRESS>/FTP /mnt/smb/kuba/FTP it need password. who password it is? administrator's on the target machine? its blank. so i type only enter and i got access denied. how can i specify which user should be used for connecting over smb?
[05:15] <misfit_toy> Prottie, that's a good guess, I used to have a util that shows all child parent processes, I can't remember what it was called, looking on sourceforge right now
[05:15] <Prottie> I have ditched firefox because they have removed ctrl+u to remove everything in the adressline and I cant click on the midle mousebutton to paste in the browser window anymore. so firefox left and opera joined :)
[05:15] <wdh> inc595, its nice.. although i hate the fake-transparency :)
[05:16] <inc595> Prottie, just use lynx lol
[05:16] <mauper> inc595: mkay, looks nice, but I think I stick to gnome, thanks :)
[05:16] <cas> korCZiz: did you entered sudo before it?
[05:16] <korCZiz> cas: no
[05:16] <korCZiz> su
[05:16] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, it's the pass/login from the windows guest account :P
[05:16] <inc595> wdh, fake? lol
[05:16] <korCZiz> and typed root's password and than type mount....
[05:16] <IcemanV9> what about epiphany?
[05:16] <lsuactiafner> Prottie : i run latest firefox but in a chroot, i can use middle paste, but not fire ubuntu firefox package
[05:16] <nalioth> wdh: use galeon or kazehakase
[05:17] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: oh so, but guest account is rejected
[05:17] <_SWAT_> inc595, Nice screenies :D (my willingness is +10 to install fluxbox :D)
[05:17] <Prottie> iks galeon still developed?
[05:17] <wdh> inc595, well.. its not real either :)
[05:17] <Prottie> I loved galeon!
[05:17] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: so i need specify other user
[05:17] <jsimmons> is there a way to run on anti-aliasing for openGL?
[05:17] <kvidell> korCZiz: sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=remoteuser,password=theirpassword //ip-or-netbiosname/share-name /mount/point
[05:18] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, you always need to set the account somewhere. On english winxp it's guest/guest I think. I had to 'test' a lot of it myself..
[05:18] <inc595> wdh, everything on the screen is fake lol so the transperency is real in that sense
[05:18] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/draconis/bb0.jpg <-- blackbox
[05:18] <Tsar_vonHumbug> unless your windows box is running cifs, when you should mount -t cifs ...
[05:18] <inc595> _SWAT_,  yeah it does that job nicely
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> i just use simple mount -t smbfs //ip/share_name /mnt/mount_point
[05:19] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, I already saw your screenies :D
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> ah
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> lol
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> well i want to brag more
[05:19] <korCZiz> kvidell: yes, its working perfectly, thnx very much
[05:19] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, inc595 @ fluxbox.... does it support dual-screen? (does it work)
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> but -rootwin and eterm transparency doesnt work well
[05:19] <lsuactiafner> how do you guys use transparency?
[05:19] <kvidell> korCZiz: hehe. no worries.
[05:20] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: i have set guest account dissabled on the brother's pc
[05:20] <Brenton> can someone help me with mounting a drive?  I'm quite the newbe
[05:20] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : i think dual-screen has only to do with xorg not the window manager
[05:20] <inc595> _SWAT_, never had the pleasure of dual screen but i don't see why not if other wm's can
[05:21] <lsuactiafner> Brenton : what type of disk? sata or ide?
[05:21] <Brenton> ide, fat
[05:21] <kvidell> Xinerama == Multi-Head support for X, isn't it?
[05:21] <Brenton> lsuactiafner: I just forget all the commands
[05:21] <huru> hi fellows, anyone who could tell me how to get sound working? rhythmbox tells me: ALSA device "default" does not exist :(
[05:21] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, I always used the guest account. But I guess you should be able to mount/login using the admin login/pass. Did you try accessing the drive using the "Network server" and then going to the computer in question?
[05:22] <Brenton> lsuactiafner: like, what's the command for listing HD info?
[05:22] <lsuactiafner> Brenton : mkdir /mnt/01 ; mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/01 <-- hda might be hdb1 ect
[05:22] <lsuactiafner> df -lh
[05:22] <lsuactiafner> and df -h
[05:22] <cas> Everything works now, It was that damned windows firewall, tnx for your time everybody!
[05:22] <huru> permissions are ok, i've tried all the options in multimedia systems selector but i only get errors like: Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System' etc
[05:23] <lsuactiafner> also, cfdisk /dev/hda or hdb or hdc i find usefull to show me what partition number to use
[05:23] <raiz> Hey, I've looked at the ubuntu wiki for help on installing java and getting javac to work, but none of the pages have worked on my machine... All I did though was do a search for java in the wiki... does anyone know of any other ubuntu java sites?
[05:23] <_SWAT_> cas, you just love the winxp firewall.... It's 'le crap' :/
[05:24] <cas> :)
[05:24] <lsuactiafner> raiz : i got the jave package from sun site and it worked perfectly
[05:24] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: i am connected from diskless station to ubuntu over ssh when i have mounted the directories from next another pc... i have not possibility to use it, because i have not X usable over ssh
[05:24] <reka> raiz: (credit goes to Seveas):  for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[05:24] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, you can use VNC over SSH :D
[05:24] <raiz> I tried that.
[05:25] <inc595> korCZiz, yeah you can use vnc over ssh to make a thinclient
[05:25] <kvidell> raiz: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:25] <kvidell> that help?
[05:25] <_SWAT_> korCZiz, I thought the command (for browser) was something like smb://ip-windows-pc/share-name
[05:25] <larsrohdin> hi, how can i change the picture of the users in gdm?
[05:25] <korCZiz> _SWAT_: on the diskless station (Pentium 75MHz, 32MB ram, without mouse, only keybord) it is not possible
[05:25] <lsuactiafner> there is a way to use x over ssh
[05:25] <Brenton> lsuactiafner: Hmm, not working, what's the command for seeing the partitions of the drive?
[05:25] <reka> raiz: well what doesn't work?
[05:25] <raiz> Thanks kvidell...
[05:25] <korCZiz> inc595: this is diskless-no-x-thin-client
[05:25] <raiz> That's the site I was looking for.
[05:25] <reka> Brenton: sudo fdisk -l
[05:25] <PhantomFreak> Having trouble installing my Netgear WG511 card. The info on the wiki doesn't work!
[05:25] <lsuactiafner> Brenton : <lsuactiafner> also, cfdisk /dev/hda or hdb or hdc i find usefull to show me what partition number to use
[05:26] <raiz> How did you find it?
[05:26] <kvidell> raiz: I've been doing this awhile :)
[05:26] <inc595> korCZiz, is it just a dumb terminal? diskless only referrs to no disk drives
[05:26] <Nebular> my apt can't seem to find the kernel-source-2.6.9, I have universe and multiverse set in my sources.list and packages.ubuntu.com says it's in hoary, but it's not coming up
[05:26] <raiz> Ok... Thanks.
[05:26] <korCZiz> inc595: its broken pc, serial connectors are not working
[05:26] <Nebular> any ideas as to what I could be missing?
[05:27] <inc595> what os is currently running on it
[05:27] <korCZiz> inc595: i have made dump terminal from it, because i have destroyed some parts...
[05:27] <korCZiz> inc595: disk
[05:27] <veryxiao> Hello,every one~
[05:27] <inc595> korCZiz, you jsut said it was diskless
[05:27] <kvidell> lsuactiafner: ssh -X host
[05:27] <kvidell> ?
[05:27] <korCZiz> and is here any way how install openbsd from running linux?
[05:27] <veryxiao> I'm Chinese boy~
[05:27] <korCZiz> inc595: yes i know
[05:27] <larsrohdin> how can i change the picture of the user in GDM?
[05:28] <inc595> so what does it boot from ? specifically
[05:28] <kvidell> larsrohdin: sudo gdmsetup
[05:28] <korCZiz> inc595: i ment it was not neccessary
[05:28] <kvidell> is it in that?
[05:28] <korCZiz> inc595: its my mistake, sorry
[05:28] <PhantomFreak> Anyone, Netgear WG511 wireless card! Any suggestions...
[05:28] <reka> veryxiao: that's nice :-/
[05:28] <inc595> PhantomFreak, I have the wg511T card it works great
[05:28] <larsrohdin> kvidell, yeah and then what?
[05:28] <gorilla_> veryxiao: that is a a usefull contribution :-/
[05:29] <kvidell> No idea :-\ I haven't used X in ages. Not in there at all though?
[05:29] <inc595> PhantomFreak, it has arthos chipset.. just use madwifi
[05:29] <PhantomFreak> For some reason it isn't being identified properly.
[05:29] <Brenton> lsuactiafner: crap, I didn't realize is was NTFS... I did "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/ddrive" and it worked, but now I'm getting permission errors when I try and open it.  Any ideas?
[05:29] <kvidell> Brenton: mount it -ro (read only)
[05:29] <larsrohdin> kvidell, i can't find anything
[05:29] <PhantomFreak> I can't find madwifi!
[05:29] <korCZiz> but i have also another problem, i need set VNC so i cann use another desktop, not than its running on ubuntu? how can i start next one desktop for example on ubuntu:1 ?
[05:30] <Brenton> kvidell:  do I have to unmount it first?
[05:30] <korCZiz> i need another desktop for brother, for his logging into ubuntu
[05:30] <korCZiz> and playing linux network games over loopback
[05:30] <kvidell> Brenton: uh huh.
[05:30] <inc595> PhantomFreak, what so you get when you lspci?
[05:30] <korCZiz> i have automatically seted on redhat's vnc installation
[05:30] <inc595> PhantomFreak, do you see this? 000:06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
[05:31] <Brenton> kvidell: how do I do that :)
[05:31] <kvidell> Brenton: sudo umount /mount/point works
[05:31] <PhantomFreak> 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 1faa (rev 03)
[05:32] <kvidell> larsrohdin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32158&highlight=gdm+pictures
[05:32] <larsrohdin> kvidell, thanks!
[05:32] <kvidell> sorry for leaving the highlights in the url, hehe
[05:32] <inc595> PhantomFreak, TRY MODPROBE ATH0
[05:32] <Brenton> kvidell: cool, so now I want to do "sudo mount -t -ro ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/ddrive?"
[05:32] <kvidell> I always forget to parse those out
[05:33] <inc595> sorry bout the caps
[05:33] <kvidell> -t ntfs -ro
[05:33] <inc595> modprobe ath0
[05:33] <PhantomFreak> inc595 Module ath0 not found
[05:34] <kvidell> it might just be -r, I'm not sure. I only have access to an old OpenBSD box right now and it's mount manpage says "-r"
[05:34] <kvidell> can someone on ubuntu confirm that for me?
[05:34] <Brenton> kvidell: sudo mount -t ntfs -ro /dev/hda5 /mnt/ddrive  ...cause it didn't work
[05:34] <inc595> i can't remember how I got my system to identify it
[05:34] <inc595> PhantomFreak,  how about modprobe -l madwifi
[05:34] <gorilla_> kvidell, for mounting something read-only, it is -r
[05:34] <_SWAT_> I've just finished watching the Chinese movie "the eye". It's kinda like the 6th sense, just better. Even though I had to read the english subtitles it was still a good movie.
[05:35] <kvidell> gorilla_: thank ye :)
[05:35] <PhantomFreak> inc595 No errors, but still can't find card
[05:35] <kvidell> Brenton: so apparently, try what I said but remove the "o" from -ro.
[05:35] <reka> _SWAT_: i guess you don't get many movies with dutch subtitles?
[05:35] <gorilla_> _SWAT_, better  to read subtitles than listen to bad dubs :-)
[05:35] <Nebular> any ideas as to why kernel-source-2.6.9 isn't showing up in apt?
[05:36] <kvidell> (I got confused because you specify "ro" in fstab options.. two letter options don't exist in cli stuff though obviously, I should have realised.)
[05:36] <shift-u> Hello everybody!
[05:36] <Nebular> I'm running hoary
[05:36] <GNULinuxer> has anyone upgraded to breezy yet?
[05:36] <kvidell> Nebular: apt-cache search kernel-source
[05:36] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: I have a 1u running it
[05:36] <Brenton> kvidell: worked, but still getting permissions errors
[05:36] <kvidell> dual p3 800mhz, 1 gig ECC ram.
[05:36] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: lu ?
[05:36] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: It's a rackmount server that takes up 1 "u" (rack unit) of space.
[05:37] <_SWAT_> reka, I also get a lot of dutch subtitles, but I rather read the english ones
[05:37] <inc595> PhantomFreak, you have madwifi installed?
[05:37] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: any idea about X?
[05:37] <kvidell> Brenton: Are you trying to browse as root?
[05:37] <Brenton> no
[05:37] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: It appears to work on the monitor that
[05:37] <Nebular> only one that shows up is kernel-source-2.4.27
[05:37] <gorilla_> GNULinuxer, 1u is one rack unit of space or about 1.75" or 44.45mm.. I think
[05:37] <Brenton> I'm on a live disk
[05:37] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: It appears to work on the monitor that/s attached to it, and it does work forwarded to other clients.
[05:37] <GNULinuxer> gorilla_: yeah, thanks
[05:37] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: good
[05:37] <PhantomFreak> inc595 I can't seem to find out!  The dubs often screw up the entire movie.  Have you any idea how 'bad' it is to listen to everyone and it's not lip-synched and the jokes of comedy's just don't work as they supposed to
[05:38] <Kvark> upgrade what?
[05:38] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: when did you move to breezy?
[05:38] <kvidell> Kvark: That was for me I think, go back to lurking :-P
[05:38] <reka> Nebular: what about linux-source-2.6.10?  (hoary runs the .10 kernel by default)
[05:38] <PhantomFreak> inc595 I can't find the file madwifi.ko... So probably not installed!
[05:38] <kvidell> GNULinuxer: Well.. I had a laptop running it awhile back.. and it worked fine but X eventually died... I installed Breezy on this er... two nights ago?
[05:38] <Nebular> the only source that comes up is kernel-source2.4.27
[05:39] <IcemanV9> PhantomFreak: you might want to check this out > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
[05:39] <kvidell> Nebular: When was your last apt-get update ?
[05:39] <GNULinuxer> kvidell: i have a laptop ... should I move to breezy?
[05:39] <Nebular> just now
[05:39] <_SWAT_> Nebular, getting the 2.6.x branch here :)
[05:39] <reka> _SWAT_: do you get those old kungfu movies dubbed in german/dutch?  i'm wondering if they are as badly dubbed as the english ones. :)
[05:40] <Nebular> _SWAT_: then I'm missing something in my source.list, but I'm not sure what
[05:40] <kvidell> hm.. Brenton: So.. you've mounted it, then as your usual user are trying to browse the mounted parition in a live cd?
[05:40] <inc595> PhantomFreak, I think it it comes with ubuntu.. you running hoary?
[05:40] <_SWAT_> Nebular, www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:40] <nalioth> _SWAT_: please dont advise ubuntuguide
[05:40] <Brenton> kvidell: yes
[05:40] <nalioths_dog> Nebular: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[05:41] <kvidell> nalioth: Would you prefer google?
[05:41] <reka> kvidell: yes, he would. :)
[05:41] <kvidell> Brenton: Well, as long as it's mounted read only I don't see any harm in sudo nautilus
[05:41] <nalioth> _SWAT_: Nebular kvidell please see #3 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:41] <topyli> Nebular: your sources.list is probably ok. what you want is linux-source, not kernel-source
[05:41] <ironmc> how do I access my floppy drive??
[05:42] <korCZiz> how can i set anonymous public access for nfs (in /etc/exports)?
[05:42] <_SWAT_> nalioth, why shouldn't I advise ubuntuguide?
[05:42] <rubenv> Has anyone got experience with the synaptics touchpad?
[05:42] <rubenv> Mine doesn't tap-to-click anymore after suspending
[05:42] <kvidell> nalioth: That thing seems really out of date.
[05:42] <rubenv> anyone got a solution?
[05:42] <reka> ironmc: places -> computer
[05:42] <nalioth> _SWAT_: please see #3 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:42] <nalioth> kvidell: what the URL i just sent?
[05:42] <kvidell> nalioth: As long as it's for something as simple as getting a default sources.list I don't see any harm in it.
[05:42] <kvidell> yes.
[05:42] <kvidell> I see the "last edited" date
[05:42] <Brenton> kvidell: YES! You rock!
[05:42] <nalioth> kvidell: it was written within the last 2 weeks i believe
[05:43] <ironmc> reka: thanks
[05:43] <reka> kvidell: there is if it has backports in it
[05:43] <_SWAT_> reka, I watched 1 kungfumovie once in german... for 1 minute.... I'd rather watch the english dubbed, or chinese subbed ("Unleashed" subbed was GREAT, by the way)
[05:43] <kvidell> but it looks like it was done by someone with a vendeta against the guide.
[05:43] <kvidell> reka: What's wrong with backports? At least it's not Marillat.
[05:43] <Tsar_vonHumbug> nalioth, what's wrong with ubuntuguide dude?
[05:43] <kvidell> Backports is at least official.
[05:43] <nalioth> Tsar_vonHumbug: please see #3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[05:43] <topyli> kvidell: no it's not
[05:43] <inc595> PhantomFreak, I think you are going to need to use ndiswrapper https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetgearWG511AndNdiswrapper?highlight=%28wg511%29
[05:43] <nalioth> kvidell: but bp can screw you up, too
[05:43] <erb> hi
[05:44] <Harley^> Which Ubuntu repositories of .deb files have jre AND Openoffice Beta2 ?
[05:44] <Seveas> nalioth, but a lot less than merillat :)
[05:44] <kvidell> So are you mad at me for telling someone to use it to solve a JRE issue?
[05:44] <Seveas> Harley^, backports for the first universe for the latter
[05:44] <_SWAT_> nalioth, it's just that I used Ubuntuguide for several things (including my sources.list) as for adding backports etc. and it very much satisfied my 'needs'
[05:44] <kvidell> would you prefer I just paraphrase it?
[05:44] <jasmuz> Hello all
[05:44] <osity> i partitioned a drive as one big partition and now when ubuntu boots it says special drive sda not found ...any ideas? anyone?
[05:44] <Seveas> kvidell, Java instuctions on ubuntuguide are extremely icky
[05:44] <nalioth> Seveas: i just try to keep folks operable
[05:44] <osity> Seveas: you're back
[05:45] <Harley^> Seveas, would you post the full url please ?
[05:45] <Seveas> osity, no i am not
[05:45] <osity> Seveas: oh ..ok
[05:45] <Seveas> osity, that is the product of your imagination ;)
[05:45] <kvidell> Seveas: They worked alright for me.
[05:45] <nalioth> _SWAT_: depending on how many of the 'guides instructions you've followed, your system may have a lengthy life or a short one
[05:45] <Seveas> Harley^, backports.ubuntuforums.org
[05:45] <_SWAT_> hehehehehe :P
[05:45] <osity> Seveas:im in the product business
[05:45] <Harley^> hrmm
[05:45] <kvidell> I actually prefer using Ubuntu-Geek's whizzy-script.
[05:45] <kvidell> or just upgrading to breezy, heh.
[05:45] <kvidell> :-P
[05:45] <kvidell> solves a lot of problems for me.
[05:45] <Seveas> kvidell, that is even more icky...
[05:46] <Seveas> (last time i saw it)
[05:46] <kvidell> UG's script or Breezy?
[05:46] <Seveas> UG
[05:46] <kvidell> oh, hehe
[05:46] <Seveas> ('s script)
[05:46] <kvidell> He's made a few updates to it.
[05:46] <Seveas> UG himself is a cool guy :)
[05:46] <Harley^> Seveas, So is it deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary main restricted ?
[05:46] <Seveas> Harley^, no
[05:46] <Harley^> oh
[05:46] <Seveas> Harley^: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[05:46] <Harley^> hrmm
[05:47] <kvidell> Breezy has it's own issues but it works great as server on a box with no head end anyway.
[05:47] <denver> is there a french help channel ?
[05:47] <PhantomFreak> inc595 I've tried ndiswrapper, it doesn't work either!
[05:47] <Harley^> AH !
[05:47] <kvidell> (no worry for xorg)
[05:47] <Seveas> kvidell, not running X removes most breakage indeed :)
[05:47] <nalioth> denver: #ubuntu-fr
[05:47] <Seveas> denver, #ubuntu-fr
[05:47] <IcemanV9> w0w. epiphany responses a lot faster than firefox on my box.
[05:47] <denver> thx
[05:47] <reka> denver: #ubuntu-fr
[05:47] <Tsar_vonHumbug> nalioth, thx for clearing that up - point taken
[05:47] <Kvark> I can't get my Acecat Flair USB graphics tablet from AceCad to work
[05:47] <reka> i win. :)
[05:47] <keir> can someone send me their /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386? i just installed debian, and when i recompile the kernel it doesn't recognize my SATA drive (ubuntu did)
[05:47] <Kvark> HAL recognizes that it is a graphics tablet from acecad and when i hold the pen over it, the led goes green so it detects the pen
[05:48] <Kvark> but when I try move the mouse pointer or click with it, the led goes orange, as it should when a 3D game is running or there for some other reason makes no sence to move a mouse pointer around
[05:48] <trey> whats up everyine
[05:48] <Kvark> it just doesn't move the pointer :'(
[05:48] <Seveas> keir, I only have the -686 version, is that ok for you too>?
[05:48] <trey> I successfully installed ubuntu on my thinkpad 600e
[05:48] <_SWAT_> nalioth, I used the guide for mplayer/backports/rssowl/samba :)
[05:48] <keir> Seveas, perfect
[05:48] <kvidell> trey: I'm packing and washing clothes to prepare for a roughly 3,000 mile move? hehe
[05:49] <trey> lol
[05:49] <Seveas> keir http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/368
[05:49] <Kvark> anyone know anything that can be done about my graphics tablet?
[05:49] <trey> where are you moving?
[05:49] <reka> trey: first linux distro?
[05:49] <gorilla_> kvidell, yuck... not my idea of fun.... unless it is to somewhere warmer.
[05:49] <keir> Seveas, thanks!
[05:49] <kvidell> which goes down in 28 hours
[05:49] <_SWAT_> anyone here got a MX1000 configured ? (I am lazy, and would love to have the config file :P)
[05:49] <nalioth> _SWAT_: lots of people have had to reinstall, because of bp/marillat (the versions disagree with ofiicial ubuntu)
[05:49] <trey> successfully yes
[05:49] <kvidell> California to Vermont
[05:49] <ompaul> what is that tool that provides a starter and stopper of services works in a terminal?
[05:49] <kvidell> by no means warmer :-D
[05:49] <Seveas> nalioth, fortunately that problem has been solved in backports :)
[05:49] <jasmuz> _SWAT_: Linux isnt for lazy people
[05:49] <Seveas> but marillat remains icky
[05:50] <Seveas> and BP is still "Use with care"
[05:50] <nalioth> Seveas: really?
[05:50] <trey> although i have tried debian but ubuntu is my favorite
[05:50] <Seveas> nalioth, yes
[05:50] <kvidell> ompaul: er.. /etc/init.d/service start/stop ?
[05:50] <kvidell> or is that old fashioned?
[05:50] <Seveas> kvidell, yes :)
[05:50] <jasoncohen> Seveas, marillat actually works with ubuntu- at all?
[05:50] <Seveas> invoke-rc.d $service start/stop
[05:50] <kvidell> ah
[05:50] <kvidell> okay :)
[05:50] <Seveas> jasoncohen, currently mostly not
[05:50] <_SWAT_> nalioth, hmmm... evil. Well I haven't got any problems yet. Most uptime was 10 days (then I had to boot to windows), so I'm not expecting any problems. But thnx for pointing out the 'evil' of the guide. Many forum-users point the guide out as 'the holy grail'.
[05:50] <gorilla_> kvidell, yes but it works :-)
[05:50] <reka> jasmuz: really?  every single geek i know is lazy in some way. :)
[05:51] <kvidell> my mentioned method is left over from when one of my debianazi friends taught me how to use linux originally.
[05:51] <Ubuntian> does someone know an app to convert avi to mpeg-2?
[05:51] <Seveas> _SWAT_, but all smart people are only on the mailinglist, not on the forum ;)
[05:51] <nalioth> _SWAT_: its not about uptime, its about when you go to upgrade something
[05:51] <lsuactiafner> Ubuntian : mencoder
[05:51] <jasmuz> reka: that is true...im lazy with my studies
[05:51] <Seveas> uptime is a much over-esteemed statistic
[05:51] <_SWAT_> nalioth, no problems upgrading (all is wel, uptill now)
[05:51] <Ubuntian> lsuactiafner, for linux right?
[05:52] <nalioth> _SWAT_: users reach points of version disagreements, and they can't uninstall all the unofficial stuff (cuz its way too much) and they can't upgrade
[05:52] <_SWAT_> ah, OK
[05:52] <mauper> Seveas: no, it isn't - mine is longer ;-P ;)
[05:52] <korCZiz> how can i manualy format hdc1 ?
[05:52] <kvidell> _SWAT_: At my apartment here we have an OpenBSD file server. It was up for roughly 740 days when the arp-cache overflowed and annihilated samba and the webserver, lol. All of a sudden our XBox was like "Aaahhh.. I just lost all of the shares I was reading from for videos, music and MAME Roms.. I'm going to crash now. kthx."
[05:52] <kvidell> It was a sad day indeed.
[05:52] <Seveas> korCZiz, mkfs
[05:53] <_SWAT_> nalioth, you mean the kind of users that install everything on the list (ubuntuguide). Let me say this: it has it's usefullness (mplayer etc.)
[05:53] <_SWAT_> kvidell, :-/.  Could you recover all?
[05:53] <korCZiz> Seveas: thnx
[05:53] <kvidell> It just required a reboot
[05:53] <nalioth> _SWAT_: yes, there ARE some useful things, but hte avg 'new' user can't distinguish tween useful and terrible
[05:53] <kvidell> everything's been fine since.
[05:54] <kvidell>  8:54AM  up 51 days, 20:48, 2 users, load averages: 0.17, 0.13, 0.09
[05:54] <kvidell> it died 51 days ago ^.^
[05:54] <ompaul> Seveas, kvidell emm I found it, rcconf
[05:54] <jasoncohen> are there still problems upgrading with backports? i.e. will backports users have problems when breezy is released?
[05:54] <reka> _SWAT_: i use it's sound fix everytime i reinstall....then again, i'm 100% certain on what it all means...
[05:54] <Nebular> hrm
[05:54] <korCZiz> and when i format it, set it bootable, and copy on it running live linux from ramdisk should it be possible to boot and use?
[05:54] <_SWAT_> kvidell, hehehe... Alrighty then. I thought you really lost all your files. That would've sucked
[05:54] <lsuactiafner> heh, you guys might have more uptime.. but my load is bigger than yours!!!!
[05:54] <reka> *not 100% certain rather :D
[05:54] <denver> hello, is it possible to set a different background on each desktops ?
[05:55] <Nebular> I took the source.list from paste.ubuntu.com and it still doesn't have it
[05:55] <nalioth> _SWAT_: it is commonly recommended now that BP only be enabled to get the ONE pkg you are looking for at the time, then commented out
[05:55] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, http://creme.schottelius.org/~nico/schwanz3/
[05:55] <Nebular> still only have 2.4.27
[05:55] <_SWAT_> reka, what kind of 'sound fix' do you need? (and why do you say "everytime I reinstall".... that sounds nasty)
[05:55] <greg__> ubuntu rocks and is the best distro ever!
[05:55] <greg__> thanx, that is all
[05:55] <lsuactiafner> will prolly take hours to open but will go look
[05:56] <kvidell> _SWAT_: no, not quite
[05:56] <kvidell> decker:data {111} du -hs mp3/ videos/ software/roms/MAME/
[05:56] <kvidell> 31G     mp3/
[05:56] <kvidell> 86G     videos/
[05:56] <kvidell> 10G     software/roms/MAME/
[05:56] <osity> Seveas: any idea what is going on with my drives with the special device not found err
[05:56] <kvidell> I would have cried for a couple days if that happened.
[05:56] <reka> _SWAT_: hehe. multiple sounds etc.
[05:56] <kvidell> And I have another 100 or so gigs of stuff on my personal server.
[05:56] <kvidell> (aptly named 'wonky')
[05:57] <kvidell> (it's running fedora_
[05:57] <_SWAT_> I mean I had my share of trouble with ubuntu. I was on a LAN while changing from windows to linux. (let's just say I didn't game very much)
[05:57] <Seveas> osity, no, you still didn't tell me when exactly the error happened :)
[05:57] <_SWAT_> but after the LAN my PC was working great (a friend of mine (linuxuser) helped me a lot of the time)
[05:57] <kevin> I was having a problem with a jumpy mouse on my dell c600, which seems like a common problem. I disabled powernowd and it goes away. I just want to make sure that its ok to disable that, and its not going to hurt anything
[05:58] <reka> _SWAT_: and about the reinstalls, one was my fault, one was when the packaging system completely borked, another was when i was having a logging out problem.
[05:58] <gorilla_> kvidell, we won't ask where you go 31G of mp3 from :-P
[05:58] <kvidell> no where.
[05:58] <_SWAT_> reka, damn. That's just plain evil. I thought reinstalling so much was a windows thingie
[05:58] <kvidell> >.>
[05:58] <deancolinux> Hello, how do you start a application automatically in Gnome at startup?
[05:58] <_SWAT_> gorilla_, he ripped it all from the CD's he bought
[05:58] <_SWAT_> or he downloaded it all from webshops :D
[05:59] <Seveas> deancolinux, system -> preferences -> sessions
[05:59] <Seveas> deancolinux, rightmost tab there
[05:59] <deancolinux> Thanx...
[05:59] <nalioth> deancolinux: system > prefs > sessions
[05:59] <lsuactiafner> 4926 sh ./schwanz3-rc8.sh -s
[05:59] <lsuactiafner> -811.98505783081054687500
[05:59] <lsuactiafner> ?
[05:59] <nalioth> can't compete with teraflops
[05:59] <sexcopter8000m> hello, I'm just setting up ubuntu, new to linux, having some problems with sound. Thing is sound is only coming through my onboard card, and i want it to come through my pci card. can anyone help me?
[06:00] <Seveas> lol!
[06:00] <reka> _SWAT_: well to be fair, with the exception of that packaging instance, i could probably have fixed the system if i was eager enough.
[06:00] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, negative schwanz :D
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> lol
[06:00] <kvidell> "decker"'s data partition is a 400 gig 1+0 raid.
[06:00] <_SWAT_> sexcopter8000m, you just need to select the right sound device :)
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> bleh but it didnt check all my mp3s ect?
[06:00] <sexcopter8000m> how?
[06:00] <Kvark> if my uncle ripped all the CDs he bought to mp3's then he'd need a whole sever rack to store it
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> |-> Found 8 MP3s.
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> thats wrong
[06:00] <lsuactiafner> should be 27000
[06:00] <Seveas> sexcopter8000m, if it's possible disable the onboard soundcard in  the bios
[06:00] <reka> hehe
[06:00] <kvidell> Kvark: Hehe. EMC^2/NetApp time? ;-D
[06:00] <Kvark> 31G legal mp3's is very possible, or much much more then that even
[06:01] <_SWAT_> Always see the good in people :D
[06:01] <jasoncohen> if the ubuntu guide is a bad source of documentation, what's a better source for ubuntu? i've read debian's apt howto & part of the sarge installation manual but i don't see anything similar for hoary
[06:01] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, 27.000 :/
[06:01] <reka> Kvark: i don't see how people can fill 400G though.
[06:01] <gorilla_> _SWAT_, share and share alike :-)
[06:01] <lsuactiafner> lol
[06:01] <jasoncohen> reka, mythtv
[06:02] <nalioth> jasoncohen: wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:02] <jasoncohen> reka, i have a 450 GB LVM for mythtv
[06:02] <reka> jasoncohen: heh, maybe it's cos i'm on diakup
[06:02] <topyli> lsuactiafner: it just skipped all the crap and only listed zeppelin iv :)
[06:02] <nalioth> reka: on broadband, fillin up 400g is EASY
[06:02] <osity> Seveas: any idea what is going on with my drives with the special device not found err
[06:02] <hac__> Can I install UT-goty on ubunt without the cd 2?
[06:02] <reka> jasoncohen: if you can't find stuff on the wiki, i'd head into here first :)
[06:03] <klaym> filling up a large HD is like never vacuuming or cleaning your place
[06:03] <gorilla_> reka, also if you get to lan parties... some people take along a couple of 200G drives that are blank and come back with both filled with "stuff"
[06:03] <reka> nalioth: i was gonna say...that's a lot of porn
[06:04] <reka> gorilla_: heh, i can imagine
[06:04] <klaym> what's the idea in storaging your porn if you never watch them again anyway?
[06:05] <kvidell> What's going to be faster? Dual P3 800mhz with an SMP kernel and 1 gig of ECC ram or a P4 2.10 w/ 1 gig of "normal" ddr and Hyper Threading enabled with an SMP kernel?
[06:05] <kvidell> For some reason the dual proc just seems to act a lot faster
[06:05] <ogami1972> hello
[06:06] <larsrohdin> is it possible to succed playing games with wine? or do I need Cedega?
[06:06] <njan> kvidell, faster for what, doing what, running what, treated how, with what sorts of hard disks.
[06:06] <js_> larsrohdin: depends on what the game requires
[06:06] <kvidell> hehe... good point(s)
[06:06] <Nebular> is there any reason why I should stick with the official kernel-source package rather than download one from kernel.org?
[06:06] <hellfire> has anyone experienced problems with 2d games
[06:06] <sexcopter8000m> ok, i'm gonna have a look in the bios, but i'm not too sure i'll be able to disable the sound, brb
[06:06] <larsrohdin> js_, ok, what can't wine play?
[06:06] <hellfire> when i play Starcraft Red Alert heros4 they run slow
[06:06] <js_> larsrohdin: heavy directx stuff
[06:06] <ogami1972> i've noticed that after being "up" for a few days, my memory load stays at about half- is there a quick way to clear this other than rebooting?
[06:07] <hellfire> while when i play 3d games i have no such problems
[06:07] <njan> ogami1972, cached/buffered or inuse memory?
[06:07] <kvidell> Seagate Baracudas, 7200 I think, IDE obviously, in both.. Mostly doing file serving/torrenting and forwarding X apps to remote x clients (the macs in the house)
[06:07] <Nebular> because right now it seems to be either that or go with breezy
[06:07] <kvidell> I may become part of a "distributed computing" render farm for my housemate, too
[06:07] <larsrohdin> js_, ok, do you know if theres a list or anything?
[06:08] <ogami1972> "user memory" in sys monitor, so i assume in use
[06:08] <kvidell> and I'm wondering which one would better benefit him
[06:08] <njan> ogami1972, have you been up for a few days now?
[06:08] <kvidell> (I'm taking one to vermont with me, don't care which)
[06:08] <arentie> I installed ndiswrapper for my wifi card per the instructions at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto.  Now, the computer does not hibernate nor boot-up as fast
[06:08] <PhantomFreak> I'm still havng problems with my wireless card... Just descovered that it's a WG511v2 not WG511...
[06:08] <hellfire> any idea why 2d games run slow?
[06:09] <js_> larsrohdin: www.transgaming.org/gamesdb
[06:09] <js_> larsrohdin: #cedega
[06:09] <lsuactiafner> is there something like openMosix for 2.6.x kernels? and would a 32bit machine and a 64bit machine be able to cluster?
[06:09] <hellfire> thx
[06:09] <larsrohdin> js_, yeah but games that work on wine
[06:09] <ogami1972> almost 2, and my only "open" tasks are xchat and gnome sys mon, and i am showing 268 of 504 in use
[06:09] <js_> larsrohdin: no idea if such a thing exists, google for successes
[06:09] <topyli> Nebular: well if there's something that the ubuntu kernel doesn't do, then you should patch it of course. or build from vanilla
[06:10] <larsrohdin> js_, ok thanks for your time dude!
[06:10] <arentie> after installing ndiswrapper, my computer doesn't hibernate nor boot-up as fast
[06:10] <Tsar_vonHumbug> hellfire, what's your vid card?
[06:11] <lsuactiafner> ogami1972 : run free -mt but look @ -/+ buffers/cache: line.. subtract that
[06:11] <topyli> ogami1972: check it with 'free' to get reliable results :)
[06:12] <lsuactiafner> buffers/cache is available memory, doesnt mean linux is using it to run programs
[06:13] <PhantomFreak> It doesn't seem to find the cardas anything! Not wlan0 ath0 or anything!
[06:14] <Daan> hi all, stupid question, but in my /usr/src is no symlink to kernel, how do i enter my kernel?
[06:14] <chez> hi can some one help me set up my bluetooth dongle - I don't know where to start
[06:15] <ogami1972> well, it shows 167 used and 336 free
[06:15] <ogami1972> thx all!
[06:15] <gorilla_> Daan, you need to install it..
[06:15] <mrpickles> Hello room
[06:15] <Daan> hmmm
[06:16] <Daan> install the link, install the makemenuconfig thing?
[06:16] <kvidell> Daan: Are you trying to compile from source?
[06:16] <kvidell> or just need headers for something else?
[06:17] <chez> bluetooth dongle ... belkin...
[06:17] <HappyFool> chez: it shouldn't be too hard. i got mine going
[06:17] <kvidell> chez: You said dongle. <3
[06:17] <mrpickles> whats the name of a good dvd player for ubuntu ?
[06:17] <marysol> hola
[06:17] <Daan> nope, i want my kernel image saved to an alternative place on my HD, i am going back to Gentoo
[06:17] <Brenton> lsuactiafner & kvidell: thank you both so much, linux is so friggin cool, I was able to retrieve all the stuff I needed from my bad HD and network it to my other box
[06:17] <arentie> ubuntu doesn't hibernate after installing ndiswrapper...does anyone know why?
[06:17] <chez> HappyFool: can you point me in the right direction
[06:17] <HappyFool> chez: i'd install gnome-bluetooth for starters
[06:17] <kvidell> Brenton: Hehe. Happy it worked for you :)
[06:18] <chez> HappyFool: through synaptic?
[06:18] <HappyFool> chez: yip
[06:18] <lsuactiafner> np
[06:19] <HappyFool> chez: also bluez-utils -- will help debugging connection
[06:19] <mrpickles> man, my dick is so big
[06:19] <reka> mrpickles: vlc has been named a few times, ogle, mplayer, totem...
[06:19] <kvidell> mrpickles: hawt.
[06:19] <kvidell> don't care. but hawt.
[06:19] <Daan> in my root is a file called "!vmlinuz" is that my kernel?
[06:19] <mrpickles> it just kept on getting bigger and bigger after I installed linux
[06:19] <mrpickles> its based off of debian
[06:19] <mrpickles> that makes me hardc0re
[06:19] <Tsar_vonHumbug> mrpickles, what makes Richard yours?
[06:20] <Daan> also there is a file called "!initrd.img"
[06:20] <marysol> fock you
[06:20] <kvidell> goodness.
[06:20] <mauper> fog ?
[06:21] <PhantomFreak> CAn anyone help? I having a right problem getting my wifi to work, it appears that the pcmcia card isn't recognised!
[06:21] <kvidell> high density low clouds?
[06:21] <HappyFool> Daan: those are symlinks to files in /boot. vmlinuz is the kernel image. i think initrd is the boot filesystem, something like that
[06:21] <IcemanV9> hrm .. backspace key doesn't work in epiphany web browser? is it possible to get it working?
[06:21] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Daan - that would be a bootable kernel - whether that's the kernel you actually boot, only Grub knows for sure
[06:21] <Daan> Ohhhhhh, i am so stupid todat, ofcourse i can find out in grub where it points
[06:21] <Daan> thanks
[06:22] <mrpickles> Tsar_vonHumbug, what exactly is grub and what does it do ?
[06:22] <Daan> maybe today is not the day to start gentoo install......
[06:22] <jeroen_> mrpickles, bootloader
[06:22] <mrpickles> so whats a bootloader ?
[06:22] <jeroen_> mrpickles, it lets you choose which operating system to load
[06:23] <jeroen_> when you start your pc
[06:23] <sexcopter8000m> _SWAT_, i could disable the onboard sound in the bios, and it's magically now chosen the pci card, ty :)
[06:23] <reka> Daan: ditching ubuntu altogether?
[06:23] <Tsar_vonHumbug> mrpickles, it also loads your OS into memory & jumpstarts it
[06:23] <mrpickles> ahh, so with grub I could possible choose which harddrive to boot from possible ?
[06:23] <trougnouf> salut a farte ? 8-)
[06:23] <jeroen_> mrpickles, for example
[06:23] <mrpickles> go on
[06:24] <jeroen_> trougnouf, Francais: #ubuntu-fr
[06:24] <trougnouf> merci :d
[06:24] <Daan> reka, no, not alltogether, i love Ubuntu, but my pc is very slow so i want to tweak gentoo, also i love the portage system
[06:24] <Daan> i will run livecd ppc on my GF's iBook
[06:24] <tuks> Hey, this is my first time trying to compile and run a java application in Linux... Why won't it let me execute the .class I created?
[06:24] <Tsar_vonHumbug> mrpickles, absolutely
[06:24] <mrpickles> hehe w00t
[06:25] <nalioth> Daan: have you seen apt-get's source compiling ability?
[06:25] <mrpickles> that would be nice if I didn't have to unplug my harddisks to go between windows and linxu
[06:25] <tuks> it didn't give me any errors when I used javac on it...
[06:26] <tuks> but it says permission denied when I say ./javapp.class
[06:26] <reka> tuks: what's the error when you try and execute?
[06:26] <Daan> nope, i must admit, i have not read anything lately, no time, i am rounding up my MBA and am terribly busy.
[06:26] <Daan> i just have a big love for Gentoo
[06:26] <Daan> I must admit though that Ubuntu is my second favourite
[06:26] <tuks> bash: ./javapp.java: Permission denied
[06:26] <kvidell> tuks: chmod +x javapp.java
[06:26] <kvidell> then try to run it again
[06:27] <kvidell> I believe that's what you need
[06:27] <tuks> What's that do?
[06:27] <kvidell> makes it executable
[06:27] <mauper> ??? java javapp ??? what is with chmod ??? questions ...
[06:27] <tuks> Aaaaah...
[06:27] <tuks> Thanks...
[06:27] <kvidell> mmhmm
[06:27] <denver> why do nearly all the packages I want to install are on packages.ubuntu.com but I cant find them with 'apt-cache search' ?
[06:27] <jasoncohen> huh, the gnome-app-install application is coming up blank
[06:27] <kvidell> mauper: need a hug?
[06:28] <jasoncohen> synaptic works fine though
[06:28] <mauper> hmmm, well, why not ? :)
[06:29] <reka> get a room :)
[06:29] <jasoncohen> this is the output i get when i run gnome-apt-install - http://pastebin.ca/16719
[06:29] <nalioth> denver: do you have all your official repositorys enabled?
[06:29] <denver> no ideas
[06:29] <denver> it's a fresh install
[06:29] <mauper> I do not think that we are compatible ;)
[06:29] <denver> and I know nothing about ubuntu :)
[06:29] <nalioths_dog> denver: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:30] <nalioths_dog> denver: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:30] <_SWAT_> Just for fun, my PC at my big "HD-switch party" ---->  http://home.hccnet.nl/s.schauenburg/Pictures/PC1.png
[06:30] <denver> where do I put this ?
[06:30] <denver> ok thanks nalioths_dog
[06:30] <reka> denver: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:31] <nalioth> reka: watch the sharp end
[06:31] <reka> denver: apps -> sys tools -> terminal
[06:31] <Brenton> kvidell: one more question, how do I "scandisk" my bad drive?
[06:31] <nalioth> denver: stay away from ubuntuguide (unless ya get a second opinion in here)
[06:31] <kvidell> Brenton: fsck and badblocks
[06:31] <kvidell> fsck checks the file system, badblocks checks for.. well.. bad blocks.
[06:31] <reka> nalioth: but he's only a chihuahua. :)
[06:32] <nalioth> reka: you wish
[06:32] <ubuntu> how would i install gnoppix?
[06:32] <chez> HappyFool: once the drivers are installed what do I need to do
[06:32] <chez> tuks: u have to "java Javapp"
[06:32] <chez> class files should be capitals too
[06:32] <nalioth> ubuntu: with a gnoppix boot cd
[06:32] <chez> tuks: so Javac MyClass.java
[06:32] <chez> tuks: then java MyClass
[06:32] <chez> Happy Fool: whats next after installing the gnome drivers
[06:32] <kvidell> chez: he left ages ago ;)
[06:32] <randabis> ubuntu to a hard drive?
[06:32] <HappyFool> no, i'm here
[06:32] <HappyFool> sorry
[06:33] <ubuntu> yes
[06:33] <kvidell> HappyFool: I meant Tuks :) Sorry.
[06:33] <kvidell> Wasn't specific enough
[06:33] <HappyFool> ah, np
[06:33] <chez> kvidell: oh crap, got disconnected
[06:33] <kevin> hello
[06:33] <kvidell> Hi, Me.
[06:33] <randabis> ubuntu: it would be similiar to a knoppix hard drive install I suppose. There should be instructions on either site
[06:33] <kvidell> er.. Kevin
[06:33] <chez> anyone else help me out with bluetooth dongle - I just insalled the drivers
[06:33] <Brenton> kvidell: I tried "sudo fsck /dev/hda" but it's saying something about it not being ext2
[06:33] <kevin> im having trouble with my apt-get
[06:33] <kevin> haha
[06:34] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Brenton, that's probably /dev/hda1
[06:34] <HappyFool> chez: ok, is the dongle plugged in?
[06:34] <ubuntu> ok. i have knoppix installed now but i perfer gnomn desktop
[06:34] <kvidell> hm
[06:34] <chez> HappyFool: yes m8
[06:34] <kvidell> Brenton: try fsck -t ntfs /dev/hda1
[06:34] <kevin> everytime i apt-get, the packages are not there
[06:34] <kvidell> er
[06:34] <kvidell> -T
[06:34] <kvidell> not t
[06:34] <ubuntu> '
[06:34] <reka> ubuntu: /join #knoppix
[06:34] <nalioth> ubuntu: in that case, use apt-get to install gnome
[06:34] <gorilla_> lol: from a moin config file -> # I am danish (= from Denmark, not some cake!)
[06:35] <kevin> it says: couldn't find package.
[06:35] <HappyFool> chez: start a terminal: Applications -> System tools -> Terminal
[06:35] <ubuntu> i thought of that but was going to use kpackage instade
[06:35] <chez> HappyFool: yup
[06:35] <kevin> do i have to add sources?
[06:35] <kvidell> kevin: example?
[06:35] <reka> kevin: what package?
[06:35] <randabis> kevin: I'd check /etc/apt/sources.list for the correct repos
[06:35] <nalioth> ubuntu: use synaptic over kpackage
[06:35] <HappyFool> chez: ok, does 'hcitool' list any devices ?
[06:35] <kevin> nicotine, for one.
[06:36] <nalioths_dog> kevin: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:36] <randabis> nicotine is in universe i think
[06:36] <nalioths_dog> kevin: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:36] <ubuntu> where do i get  synaptic?
[06:36] <chez> HappyFool: not got that cmd
[06:36] <IcemanV9> ubuntu: gnome desktop?? you could try gnoppix
[06:36] <nalioth> ubuntu: apt-get it
[06:36] <ubuntu> its on the gnoppix cd but not knoppix
[06:37] <nalioth> IcemanV9: that is what he started the chat with....lol
[06:37] <HappyFool> chez: did you also install bluez-utils?
[06:37] <kevin> thanks, i don't know to much about the sources and all
[06:37] <ubuntu> iceman: i have gnoppix but want to install it like i have knoppix
[06:37] <IcemanV9> nalioth: thought he started with knoppix :)
[06:37] <kevin> i just know that almost every apt get i tried I couldnt get
[06:37] <nalioth> kevin: those 2 links nalioths_dog sent you will get you sorted
[06:37] <kevin> like mplayer
[06:37] <chez> HappyFool: will do
[06:37] <nalioth> IcemanV9: he was asking how to install gnoppix, then got round to asking about adding gnome to knoppix
[06:38] <IcemanV9> ok, ok .. leaving the soapbox :P
[06:38] <ubuntu> ive tried sudo gnoppix-installer and knoppix-installer...nether work.
[06:38] <nalioth> ubuntu: you installed knoppix onto your hard drive, right?
[06:39] <ubuntu> do i have to get the ubuntu install cd??? i hope not. i like have live and install on one cd :)
[06:39] <ubuntu> yes
[06:39] <ubuntu> knoppix 3.9
[06:39] <reka> IcemanV9: i'm confused too. :)
[06:39] <Brenton> kvidell: how does badblocks work? when you run it and the numbers pop up, are those blocks that are bad?
[06:39] <nalioth> ubuntu: then you should be able to open a terminal and type "su root" and then "apt-get install synaptic"
[06:40] <chez> HappyFool: hcitool dev displays one device: hci0    00:0A:3A:55:A3:F0
[06:40] <kevin> im confused about this paste.ubuntulinux.nl ... what exactly is this and what does it do?
[06:40] <ubuntu> let me try that now
[06:40] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Brenton, badblocks is redundant for IDE disks
[06:40] <jasoncohen> i'm getting an error- "menu instance has no attribute 'setLocale' when i run gnome-apt-install. i think it was working a few days ago, so i'm wondering what changed. here's the whole output -http://pastebin.ca/16721
[06:40] <ubuntu> do i have to be root?
[06:40] <reka> ubuntu: er, you want to install gnome in your knoppix system.  why are you asking this in #ubuntu ?
[06:40] <HappyFool> chez: ok, that should be your bluetooth donle
[06:40] <nalioth> ubuntu: just like my line says
[06:40] <reka> kevin: apps -> sys tools -> terminal
[06:40] <HappyFool> chez: are there any other bluetooth devices in the vicinity ?
[06:40] <Brenton> Tsar_vonHumbug: I ccan't find anything other then MAN descriptions on the net, I want to understand what it's telling me
[06:40] <nalioth> kevin: a pastebin is where you can paste text output for others to see
[06:40] <Tsar_vonHumbug> and don't start trying to fiddle with the badblock list - you'll just trash your drive
[06:41] <HappyFool> chez: if so, try 'hcitool scan' to try to find them
[06:41] <reka> kevin: then type: sudo gedit /etc/pat/sources.list
[06:41] <reka> kevin: then replace everything in that file with what you see at that pastebin link
[06:41] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Brenton, the remapping of badblocks in modern hard disks is all done in the controller - it used to be a manual process, but that was years ago
[06:41] <ubuntu> no...i want to install gnoppix...if possable... which everythin is if you know what your doing.
[06:41] <chez> HappyFool: scanning for phhone now
[06:41] <kevin> thank you reka
[06:42] <Brenton> Tsar_vonHumbug: so does running badblocks do anything?
[06:42] <HappyFool> chez: takes about 30 s, i think
[06:42] <chez> HappyFool: yeah it picked it up.....
[06:42] <mad_guy> anyone watching live 8? btw, did linkin park perform already?
[06:42] <reka> kevin: it should be /etc/apt not /etc/pat :)
[06:42] <kevin> reka, now how do i stay up to date and what not? and i see alot of other code here, is that for other processes too?
[06:43] <_SWAT_> mad_guy, watching live8 here
[06:43] <reka> kevin: code where?
[06:43] <ubuntu> ok apt-get is working...only as root
[06:43] <HappyFool> chez: ok. we need to setup the bluetooth pin
[06:43] <chez> HappyFool: ok
[06:43] <mad_guy> _SWAT_: so.. have they performed already?
[06:43] <kevin> reka in the recent post section
[06:43] <misfit_toy> anybody know what the QT package would be called for an apt-get?
[06:43] <_SWAT_> mad_guy, dunno
[06:44] <ubuntu> qt?
[06:44] <HappyFool> chez: i think you can get it to ask for one, but I just put '1234' into /etc/bluetooth/pin; the pin is then 1234
[06:44] <misfit_toy> ubuntu, yeah, QT, developers toolkit for GUI's.
[06:44] <mad_guy> but you jyst said you were watching
[06:44] <mad_guy> just*
[06:44] <ubuntu> like kdevlope
[06:44] <HappyFool> misfit_toy: try 'apt-cache search libqt'
[06:44] <misfit_toy> HappyFool, thx
[06:45] <chez> HappyFool: yeah that already existed
[06:45] <HappyFool> chez: ok
[06:45] <leo_> how do i list what (hw:*,*)s my soundcards are assigned to?
[06:45] <reka> kevin: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ is just a website where people can dump text to avoid pasting numerous lines in here.
[06:45] <kvidell> Brenton: I'm not really sure.. the man page is kind of uninformative too
[06:45] <reka> kevin: you shouldn only concern yourself with http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 which is a correct sample sources.list file
[06:45] <reka> *should
[06:45] <HappyFool> chez: to get the pc to receive files from the phone, start Bluetooth File Sharing; Applications -> System Tools -> Bluetooth file sharing
[06:46] <ubuntu> what is the diffrance between kpackage and synaptic?
[06:46] <ubuntu> dont the act the same
[06:46] <ubuntu> the = they
[06:46] <misfit_toy> HappyFool, hmmm
[06:46] <misfit_toy> HappyFool, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:46] <misfit_toy>   libqt3-dev: Conflicts: libqt3-mt-dev but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[06:46] <misfit_toy> E: Broken packages
[06:46] <HappyFool> chez: you should now be able to send files from the phone to the pc, but you have to use the phone to send them
[06:46] <kevin> reka i understand now, thanks alot.
[06:47] <kevin> reka, I take it i wont need to update these lists that often?
[06:47] <leo_> how do i list what (hw:*,*)s my soundcards are assigned to?
[06:47] <HappyFool> misfit_toy: try 'libqt3-mt-dev' ?
[06:47] <reka> kevin: after you save sources.list, run sudo apt-get update to refresh your packages list (or click on "reload" if your using synaptic)
[06:47] <misfit_toy> HappyFool, you da man, thanks.
[06:47] <misfit_toy> that did it
[06:47] <misfit_toy> bbl
[06:47] <chez> HappyFool: file sharing is running my phone can't see my machine
[06:48] <_SWAT_> live8... somehow hypocrite. A group of artists singing for poor countries? Okay, it's a big publicity stunt.... AND they're selling memorabilia (for mu-ney).... :-/
[06:48] <kevin> reka, one step ahead of you, and its taking alot longer now
[06:48] <jasmuz> how do i make realplayer use ESD?
[06:48] <reka> kevin: that's a good sign :)
[06:48] <reka> kevin: no, most everything you'll need will be in universe/main/multiverse
[06:48] <reka> kevin: so, this should be a once only thing
[06:49] <HappyFool> chez: hrm. what phone?
[06:49] <jasoncohen> if anyone's interested i found a fix to the gnome-app-install problem. it was broken by a new version of pyxdg. the fix is on this site -   https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11871
[06:49] <slask3n> how can i make my own repository?
[06:49] <davidbuchfuhrer> i've got a GeForce4 MX 420 video card that i'd like to run using the s-video out, but all i get is a blank screen unless i use the vga out.  does anyone know a fix for this?
[06:50] <jasmuz> how do i make realplayer use ESD?
[06:50] <Will__> slask3n: Why would you want to? (just wondering)
[06:50] <chez> HappyFool: its a motorola v500
[06:50] <kevin> reka, awesome, you just made my life a hellva lot easier. Im really enjoying ubuntu. the ndiswrapper went like cake, which i was have tons of problems with months ago on fedora and mandrake
[06:51] <chez> HappyFool: i will check it with my old t68
[06:51] <kevin> my internet works, and this package system is great.
[06:51] <HappyFool> slask3n: i think you can use the dpkg-scanpackages utility. maybe read the apt-howto -- can't remember if it has more info
[06:51] <reka> kevin: good to hear :)
[06:51] <slask3n> Will_: just a small repository with skype, point2play/cedega, and etc. apps thats not in the official repository...
[06:51] <HappyFool> chez: my sony-ericsson z600 works. This site might be useful: http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/
[06:51] <slask3n> HappyFool: Ok =) thanks
[06:52] <ubuntu> is there much diffrance between Gnoppix and Ubuntu??
[06:52] <nalioth_wrkn> slask3n: a repo for every1 or just on your local system?
[06:52] <nalioth_wrkn> ubuntu: ubuntu is easier
[06:53] <ubuntu> does it have many system & network tools
[06:53] <slask3n> nalioth_wrkn: first of all its for me and my friends only, but probobly for everyone when it gets biggger...
[06:53] <chez> HappyFool: the t68 can see it - thats a bit weird that the laptop can see the phone but not vice vera
[06:53] <nalioth_wrkn> slask3n: perhaps read up on apt-build
[06:53] <nalioth_wrkn> ubuntu: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:53] <ubuntu> k
[06:56] <chez> HappyFool: but can only send things to it if I first pair it
[06:56] <slask3n> nalioth: where can i read about apt-build? i cant find any manpages or anything about it... but i already have most of the packages ready to upload, its just maing the synaptic/apt-get to find the packages...
[06:56] <HappyFool> chez: yeah, i think so
[06:56] <HappyFool> chez: if by 'pair' you mean enter pin etc
[06:57] <nalioth> slask3n: apt-build will need to be installed
[06:57] <HappyFool> chez: we're about at the limit of my knowledge.
[06:57] <chez> HappyFool: well thanks alot for you help m8 I appreciate it
[06:57] <nalioth> slask3n: beyond apt-build, you'll have to ask uncle google re "debian repos"
[06:57] <slask3n> nalioth: yes i noticed :p sorry for that.. but how about drifting a repository?
[06:57] <chez> HappyFool: is laptop -> phone anyeasier
[06:57] <leo_> what command shows (hw:*,*)s so i can find which soundcard to specify?
[06:57] <slask3n> ok
[06:58] <HappyFool> chez: err, actually, i couldn't get that to work
[06:58] <chez> HappyFool: thanks anyway
[06:59] <davidbuchfuhrer> is there anything special that needs to be done to get s-video output from a pci graphics card to work with x windows?
[07:00] <chez> has anyone actually managed to get gnome looking half decent - know that is not important but it an desktop environment
[07:00] <HappyFool> chez: try maybe System -> Preferences -> Theme. default looks ok to me though ;)
[07:01] <reka> davidbuchfuhrer: iirc, you need to edit xorg.conf and change NoTV or something like that.  i'm not certain though.
[07:02] <chez> HappyFool: I have been playing aroun d with it for ages, found some half decent themes and icons. I just like a bit of a sexy desktop
[07:02] <chez> gnome is just abit chunky
[07:03] <leo_> what command shows (hw:*,*)s so i can find which soundcard to specify?
[07:03] <gorilla_> chez, if you are after some themes, try themes.freemeat.net
[07:03] <HappyFool> leo_: not sure. neither lspci not lshw do what you want ?
[07:04] <reka> chez: or gnome-look.org apparently
[07:04] <nalioth> reka: c'mon now, bluecurve is da bestest! lol
[07:05] <leo_> HappyFool: what's the difference?
[07:06] <ufo> can anyone help me with a problem with my DVD? I have the whole thing posted on ubuntuforums - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45943
[07:06] <reka> nalioth: don't look at me.  the only thing i change is theme-details-> controls to clearlooks-deepsky and that's it. :)
[07:06] <nalioth> reka: have you seen the bluecurve theme?
[07:06] <HappyFool> leo_: afaik lshw lists all hardware it can find. Neither output (hw:*,*) type strings, that I can see, though.
[07:06] <reka> well, besides making the fonts a bit smaller and reducing panel size.
[07:06] <HappyFool> leo_: lspci lists only pci devices
[07:06] <zxc> can debian sarge be cleanly updated to ubuntu or should I perform a clean install ?
[07:07] <reka> nalioth: is it in default install?
[07:07] <nalioth> reka: nope, ya got go rip it from a nasssty ol' RPM
[07:07] <mjr> zxc, unsupported, recommend clean install
[07:07] <leo_> HappyFool: ah cool - pci is great! thanks
[07:07] <IcemanV9> clearlooks + bright + gperfection2 = awesome theme :P
[07:08] <zxc> mjr, thanks
[07:08] <nalioth> reka: do your hunting on the wiki
[07:08] <we2by> IcemanV9, screenshot?
[07:08] <IcemanV9> we2by: i have no place to put screenshot *duck & run* :/
[07:09] <chez> IcemanV9: I think thats vbasically what I have now... still don't like it though. I want it to look like tiger
[07:09] <IcemanV9> yeah. i admit. it is shame that i don't have website .. yet.
[07:10] <reka> IceDC571: tinypic.com
[07:10] <reka> no excuses now.
[07:10] <IcemanV9> chez: tiger?? come on, just install OSX :P~
[07:10] <reka> :)
[07:10] <reka> nalioth: Title Search: "clearlooks" 0 results of about 2861 pages. (0.08 seconds)
[07:10] <reka> dmanit
[07:11] <chez> IcemanV9: I would if I had a mc
[07:11] <Quest-Master> Bluecurve rocks
[07:12] <nalioth> reka: use "text" search
[07:13] <reka> hmm, still 0 results
[07:13] <reka> sure it's on the wiki?
[07:14] <HappyFool> chez: obexftp lets you browse the phone, but it's fairly unfriendly (XML output - yay!)
[07:14] <IcemanV9> http://tinypic.com/6ogcpw.png -- there you go!
[07:15] <abbot45> are there any podcasting tools for linux?  that use RSS to automaticaly download the files?  i think there are some for win & mac.
[07:15] <IcemanV9> but it is SO tiny! lol
[07:15] <uc50ic4more> abbot45 - are you familiar w/ iPodder?
[07:15] <nalioth> reka: it used to be
[07:15] <nalioth> reka: they've gone into "secure" mode on us
[07:16] <abbot45> uc50ic4more, ive heard of it.  is there a linux version?
[07:16] <reka> IcemanV9: you either [1]  took a crappy screenshot [2]  linked to the thumbnail :)
[07:17] <uc50ic4more> abbot45 - yes - i believe, if i am not mistaken, they have a .deb package for download on their site
[07:17] <abbot45> ok.  thanks.
[07:17] <reka> i can't see a big difference anyway
[07:17] <uc50ic4more> abbot45 - http://ipodder.sourceforge.net
[07:17] <nalioth> abbot45: try at sourceforge.net (they have everything)
[07:18] <uc50ic4more> abbot45 - sorry - i do *not* see a .deb there - only a link to a .tar.gz
[07:18] <abbot45> yeah, i found it.  thanks.
[07:19] <IcemanV9> *shrug* well, my resolution is @ 1400x1050 .. it looks SUPER here .. and it doesn't @ tinypic.com .. sorry, reka
[07:20] <cavediver> Hi. Is there a imap-panel-notify-thing availible as in Gnome 2.8 ?
[07:20] <nalioth> reka: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2696.html
[07:20] <nalioth> reka: knew it was somewhere on the ubuntuverse
[07:24] <reka> found one: http://img225.exs.cx/img225/4562/shot8rq.jpg
[07:25] <reka> meh.  i still like clearlooks-deepsky
[07:25] <reka> and who wants to look like fedora/redhat anyway?
[07:26] <Kvark> I can't get my Acecat Flair USB graphics tablet from AceCad to work
[07:27] <Kvark> HAL recognizes that it is a graphics tablet from acecad and when i hold the pen over it, the led goes green so it detects the pen
[07:27] <Kvark> but when I try move the mouse pointer or click with it, the led goes orange, as it should when a 3D game is running or there for some other reason makes no sence to move a mouse pointer around
[07:27] <IcemanV9> gotta jet - have fun with themes on Ubuntu - i think mine is SUPERB. :P
[07:27] <Kvark> so it always goes orange instead of doing anything :(
[07:28] <bluefoxicy> help me find what service has port 732 open.
[07:29] <bluefoxicy> is there a netstat command?
[07:29] <virtuald> netstat -p
[07:29] <virtuald> or lsof -i
[07:30] <nalioth> reka: and where do ya get clearlooks-depsky?
[07:30] <avalost> Is ubuntu worth the switch from other distros?
[07:30] <highvoltage> AceMan: yes
[07:31] <highvoltage> oops
[07:31] <Kvark> nalioth: install gnome-themes-extra with apt-get/synaptic
[07:31] <highvoltage> avalost: yes
[07:31] <Will__> If you are happy with what you've got, keep using it
[07:31] <reka> nalioth: it's installed by default.  that's the only thing i change from the human theme to create a custom one.
[07:31] <reka> nalioth: it's in theme details -> window border
[07:32] <reka> avalost: what distro are you coming from?
[07:32] <avalost> mandrake
[07:32] <amujkano> ubuntu
[07:32] <Kvark> nalioth: install gnome-themes too in case you don't have it
[07:32] <reka> nalioth: just open the theme prefs dialog
[07:32] <Will__> I've stopped caring about themes. I just go with whatever is smallest
[07:32] <nalioth> Kvark: got all that with -extra
[07:32] <nalioth> reka: Kvark: just not an eye-candy person
[07:33] <PhantomFreak> Help, I've tried everything... How do I get my wireless PCMCIA card to work?
[07:33] <Kvark> ah
[07:33] <avalost> I have to admit i'm getting sort of sick of mandriva, especially with them pushing the "club" all the while
[07:33] <amujkano>  i am new to linux can someone help me to install my webcam
[07:33] <amujkano> it is a creative live
[07:34] <nalioth> reka: Kvark i like bluecurve because there are icons for all my menu apps
[07:34] <nalioth> reka: Kvark: there are some missing with clearlook
[07:34] <PhantomFreak> It's a Netgear WG511v2. Device manager finds it but other than theat it just sits there like a lemon! I've tried everything I could find on the wiki and on the forums!
[07:34] <avalost> can ubuntu use debian packages?
[07:34] <nalioth> avalost: so dump mandriva and move to ubuntu
[07:34] <nalioth> avalost: its not recommend to use debian packages
[07:35] <reka> nalioth: ah, that's the thing i don't really carea bout...icons.  i jsut use the default gnome ones.
[07:35] <avalost> nalioth: concerned about ease of use & easy transition
[07:35] <nalioth> avalost: transition?
[07:35] <Kvark> avalente: Ubuntu is very user friendly
[07:35] <avalost> yeah from one distro to another
[07:36] <nalioth> reka: the default set doesnt have all the icons for my menu, either (bluecurve does)
[07:36] <avalost> and using apt rather than urpmi
[07:36] <avalost> etc
[07:36] <avalost> and what about packages, where do I get ubuntu packages?
[07:36] <reka> avalost: it's a cinch
[07:36] <nalioth> avalost: ubuntu is much easier than mandrake
[07:36] <Kvark> apt-get (or it's GUI version synaptic) are very easy to use, and don't cause any problems with dependancies or anything
[07:36] <nalioth> avalost: you use apt-get (or one of its frontends) to install what you want
[07:36] <reka> avalost: apt-get install <program> and you're done.
[07:37] <avalost> right on, sounds good
[07:37] <avalost> what about fluxbox?
[07:37] <avalost> ubuntu has flux packages?
[07:37] <reka> avalost: there's a repository of packages.
[07:37] <nalioth> avalost: whatever you like, ubuntu IS linux
[07:37] <highvoltage> avalost: apt-get install fluxbox :)
[07:37] <`crimsun> fluxbox is in universe.
[07:37] <reka> avalost: yep, lot of people use it
[07:37] <avalost> sweet, no what about server/security issues etc?
[07:37] <nalioth> avalost: ubuntu IS linux
[07:38] <`crimsun> each stable release is supported for supported for 18+ months
[07:38] <Kvark> avalost: just add the extra and backport repos and then you got around 16k packages to search among with synaptic
[07:38] <avalost> cool, sounds good
[07:38] <`crimsun> caveat: there's no support for the backport repo
[07:38] <nalioth> what is so enticing in the extra and BP that isnt in uni or multi?
[07:38] <Kvark> avalente: ubuntu doesn't listen on any ports unless you run a server aplication (of course)
[07:38] <avalost> and what about updates etc, does ubuntu stay up to date with advisories and the like?
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> I can't attach files to bugs!!!!
[07:39] <nalioth> avalost: very up to date
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> what the hell
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> it asks me to log in, every time
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> and then says I didn't pick a file
[07:39] <reka> nalioth: from what i've seen, people want later versions of s/ware
[07:39] <dr_willis> avalost,  yes. thers a red icon that can warn you of updates. :)  if you run gnome
[07:39] <avalost> I see
[07:39] <avalost> sweet
[07:39] <Kvark> avalente: you get an icon in the taskbar when there is a new version of a package, click on it and you get a list of what needs updating, click ok and the updates are done
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> icon and all
[07:39] <nalioth> reka: i can understand BP (although i prefer stability over bling) but what of extra?
[07:39] <bluefoxicy> >:|
[07:39] <avalost> i'm going to grab it & check it out
[07:40] <avalost> i'm sure i'll be back for suppor t;P
[07:40] <reka> nalioth: dunno.  never used it myself
[07:40] <reka> avalente: see you soon. :)
[07:40] <reka> avalost: rather. :)
[07:40] <avalost> rgr :)
[07:40] <NeoGeo64> are there any ever instances in which a linux system needs a reboot
[07:40] <reka> NeoGeo64: course
[07:41] <NeoGeo64> when
[07:41] <dr_willis> kernel updates.
[07:41] <NeoGeo64> what else
[07:41] <dr_willis> about it. :P
[07:41] <glDaher> how to share files with other windows machines
[07:41] <chaps0063> has anyone had experience installing drivers for an ATI Radeon 9600?
[07:41] <NeoGeo64> kernel panicks?
[07:41] <Kvark> NeoGeo64: if gnome panels go mad or something else messes up your desktop then you need to restart x
[07:42] <NeoGeo64> but thats not rebooting
[07:42] <dr_willis> glDaher,   check out the ubuntu wikis for setting up 'samba'
[07:42] <Kvark> true, it's only half
[07:42] <dr_willis> NeoGeo64,  a kernel panic is a crash. :P  and if you are getting kernel panics - you got other worries.
[07:42] <NeoGeo64> i get random kernel panicks
[07:42] <dr_willis> Kvark,  if you know what you are doing - you can restart them without restarting X.
[07:42] <NeoGeo64> because my ram is bad because i bought a compaq because im retarded
[07:43] <Kvark> dr_willis: maybe, but one keycombo and reloggin is easy and fast enough
[07:43] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: and nonretarded users buy what brands (let the flames begin)
[07:43] <NeoGeo64> homebuilt
[07:43] <Fanskapet> *yawns*
[07:43] <Will__> crucial ram forever!
[07:43] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: very true and the best brand of all
[07:43] <NeoGeo64> yea
[07:44] <abbot45> im having problems running iPodder after i installed it.  can someone tell me what this means?  http://pastebin.com/306515
[07:44] <glDaher> dr_willis: thx, but where does smb.conf exist?
[07:44] <reka> chaps0063: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:44] <reka> chaps0063: those are the xorg drivers, if you want the official ati ones...that's another story.
[07:44] <NeoGeo64> im curious how fast ubuntu would run on a dual amd64
[07:44] <NeoGeo64> with 4gb ram
[07:44] <edc> very nice
[07:44] <reka> pretty fast
[07:44] <reka> :)
[07:44] <topyli> NeoGeo64: should be enough for desktop work :)
[07:45] <edc> if you have a kernel that supports 4G ram..
[07:45] <edc> not sure if default kernel does support it
[07:45] <dr_willis> glDaher,  i would guess in /etc/samba or similer.. You also need to run 'smbpasswd -a USER' for all your samba useing users.. Samba is very WELL documented on  the WWW.
[07:45] <NeoGeo64> VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-686 [i686/1.40GHz]
[07:45] <NeoGeo64> im using pc800 rdram
[07:45] <NeoGeo64> and the orginal pentium 4
[07:46] <NeoGeo64> i hate my computer i want a new one
[07:46] <glDaher> dr_willis: yep right, thx... just wanted a direction...
[07:46] <dr_willis> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/index.html
[07:46] <dr_willis> THe book  to read for samba needs. :P but the Ubuntu wikis may have some specific ubuntu info.
[07:46] <chaps0063> reka, are the ati ones a difficult story?>
[07:46] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: you can ask me in a few weeks, i'm planning on building a dual amd64 soon
[07:46] <dr_willis> I tend to cheat and use webmin to admin my samba stuff.
[07:46] <NeoGeo64> can a poorly designed filesystem cause more wear and tear on a hdd?
[07:47] <LuZbel> hi
[07:47] <LuZbel> someone can help me with ubuntu please?
[07:47] <edc> yeh i suppose it could
[07:47] <NeoGeo64> nalioth, you must sell drugs to be able to afford that
[07:47] <nalioth> LuZbel: ask away
[07:47] <edc> but a good one might also?
[07:47] <edc> lol
[07:47] <LuZbel> sorry, where i had to question ?
[07:47] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: nah, a series of unfortunate events (one of which is inheritance)
[07:47] <NeoGeo64> oh
[07:48] <NeoGeo64> i wish i could win the lottery or something
[07:48] <edc> we should add to the topic, JUST ASK!!
[07:48] <edc> lsuactiafner, here.. am in gui watching a movie
[07:48] <dr_willis> edc,  heh - normally i see that IN the topic. :P
[07:48] <topyli> LuZbel: just ask, maybe someone will be in the know
[07:48] <goldfish> edc: it's there.
[07:48] <NeoGeo64> then i could build a new pc
[07:48] <LuZbel> ok
[07:48] <LuZbel> i had installed ubuntu in my pc (amd64)
[07:49] <Strife> NeoGeo64: you could try getting a job ;)
[07:49] <LuZbel> when it loads
[07:49] <edc> it is? rofl
[07:49] <LuZbel> stops before starts the log in
[07:49] <goldfish> edc: we should at to the topic, please read the topic :)
[07:49] <LuZbel> it says
[07:49] <LuZbel> "starting hotplug subsystem"
[07:49] <NeoGeo64> anyways
[07:49] <LuZbel> and dont answer anymore
[07:49] <NeoGeo64> i am about to upgrade to breezy
[07:49] <Kvark> LuZbel: from what I've heard, it's best to use the 32bit version even for amd64
[07:49] <LuZbel> sorry my english
[07:50] <LuZbel> aja
[07:50] <LuZbel> so i download the 32 bit version?
[07:50] <LuZbel> but, some days before it works fine
[07:50] <reka> chaps0063: not difficult, just more steps. :)
[07:50] <goldfish> doesn't ctrl + c , allow you to bypass stuff that hangs like that?
[07:50] <nalioth> LuZbel: the amd64 arch requires a little more work to use
[07:50] <LuZbel> just today, i reformatted it and it happen
[07:50] <Kvark> a lot of people have been going on about things that doesn't work in the 64 bit version yet
[07:50] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: hope you have an extra machine for it
[07:51] <edc> err
[07:51] <NeoGeo64> i dont
[07:51] <edc> everything works in amd64
[07:51] <Strife> NeoGeo64: don't upgrade to breezy yet... I tried about a week ago and it just screwed over my computer
[07:51] <buTTon> just logged in at the right moment :s
[07:51] <Strife> just use hoary backports instead
[07:51] <NeoGeo64> what happened
[07:51] <edc> only thing you need is a static mplayer 32bit binary for wmv files
[07:52] <Strife> NeoGeo64: there was some package conflict which caused my computer to stop working
[07:52] <Strife> and it couldn't be resolved
[07:52] <edc> and 32bit emulation in ubuntu is the best accross all distros
[07:52] <reka> NeoGeo64, Strife : you both know that it's still in development right?
[07:52] <dr_willis> and flash, and ive had issues with wine, and cedega.. and......
[07:52] <buTTon> just considering an AMD64
[07:52] <LuZbel> my only solution is to download new version?
[07:52] <Strife> reka: yes, obviously
[07:52] <dr_willis> but other then these few DOZEN issues.. 'everything' works.. :P
[07:52] <Strife> reka: that's why I told NeoGeo64 not to install it :)
[07:52] <dr_willis> Im running 32 bit on my amd64 for the time being.
[07:52] <zenlunatic> anyone use an ibook with hoary know if the built in mic works?
[07:52] <NeoGeo64> how do you develop a distro, i thought linux was modular and everything was already made
[07:52] <Octane> is there any way to stop my firewall from insertin all those random lines into my system logs?
[07:52] <nalioth> NeoGeo64: but comment them out when you are not actively installing a program
[07:52] <dr_willis> NeoGeo64,  theres a few BUild your own disrto howto sites out. :P
[07:52] <reka> Strife: just checking :)
[07:52] <edc> rofl @ random lines
[07:53] <Strife> reka: on my desktop I run debian testing and I never have crazy problems like that, so I figured that it wouldn't be an issue with ubuntu, either
[07:53] <Octane> edc: i know they're not RANDOM lines :)
[07:53] <Octane> but u know waht i mean
[07:53] <nalioth> zenlunatic: how would i go about testing? what program uses the mic?
[07:53] <NeoGeo64> i assume if someone is real paranoid theyll build their own distro
[07:53] <Will__> just grep yer system log into a different file!
[07:53] <NeoGeo64> or better yet
[07:53] <NeoGeo64> code their own os
[07:54] <nalioth> Octane: turn off your firewall (you really don't need it)
[07:54] <Kvark> if someone is really paranoid then they'll use a typewriter
[07:54] <NeoGeo64> whats everyones uptime
[07:54] <bjr223> reka, so I followed those directions, how do I know if it is working correctly?
[07:54] <NeoGeo64> 13:54:40 up  1:14,  2 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.14, 0.05
[07:55] <reka> bjr223: which directions?
[07:55] <bjr223> on the BinaryHowTo
[07:55] <bjr223> for the ATI drivers
[07:55] <bjr223> or for an ATI card.
[07:55] <zenlunatic> nalioth: um sound recorder in gnome
[07:55] <reka> bjr223: glxinfo | grep rendering
[07:55] <Octane> nalioth: really?
[07:56] <bjr223> direct rendering: no
[07:56] <LuZbel> question: its any visual manager for packages under ubuntu?
[07:56] <Strife> bjr223: you want to know if your ATI driver is working? just run fglrxinfo
[07:56] <nalioth> Octane: unless you are running server stuff exposed directly to the net, you really don't need it
[07:56] <Kvark> Octane: do you have any server on your computer?
[07:56] <NeoGeo64> what if apple went open source and released all of their products under the gpl
[07:56] <reka> LuZbel: syste->admin ->synaptic
[07:56] <bjr223> Strife, shows stuff about OpenGL
[07:56] <Strife> bjr223: if it *doesn't* say 'Mesa GLX Indirect' anywhere, it's working
[07:56] <Octane> Kvark: httpd, mysqld, possibly imap in the future
[07:56] <bjr223> if it doesnt?
[07:56] <bjr223> ok, this says Mesa
[07:56] <X_L_N_C> the version of firefox in ubuntu ... does it have the updated security patches?
[07:56] <Strife> ok, it's not working then
[07:57] <nalioth> zenlunatic: my sound recorder locked up
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: "direct rendering: no" means it's not working.
[07:57] <goldfish> X_L_N_C: apparantly
[07:57] <Strife> bjr223: are you trying to run the composite manager?
[07:57] <bjr223> ok..
[07:57] <bjr223> hmm..
[07:57] <nalioth> X_L_N_C: yes it does
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: have you restarted?
[07:57] <bjr223> reka, yes.
[07:57] <Kvark> ah, then if you want them locally only you might want a firewall to block people from accessing those, or configure them to only listen to localhost...
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: and you changed "ati" to "fglrx"?
[07:57] <bjr223> yes
[07:57] <pallav> hey there ppl
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: and you loaded the module?
[07:57] <zenlunatic> nalioth: not mine
[07:57] <bjr223> reka, im pretty sure.
[07:57] <edc> anyone here runnin an asus a8n deluxe amd64 setup?
[07:57] <reka> bjr223: lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:58] <pallav> is there any one who can help me??
[07:58] <Strife> pallav: not if you don't ask your actual question
[07:58] <bjr223> fglrx                 229568  0
[07:58] <nalioth> zenlunatic: i'm on a hoary ibook right now, tryin to asnwer yer question (but the thing locked up)
[07:58] <edc> pallav, : its my duty to say... JUST ASK!
[07:58] <reka> hmm
[07:58] <X_L_N_C> so hoary hedgehog is firefox 1.0.2 with updated security patches .. but not 1.0.4 ?
[07:58] <pallav> ok
[07:58] <nalioth> pallav: we need a question, first
[07:58] <Strife> bjr223: I ask again, are you trying to run the composite extension?
[07:58] <Will__> I can help you ask your question!
[07:58] <nalioth> X_L_N_C: that is correct
[07:58] <bjr223> what is the composite extension?
[07:59] <pallav> i have 1 hdd with partion in one i have windows and and in the other one i have ubantu
[07:59] <goldfish> bjr223: it's used to get real transparency.
[07:59] <Strife> bjr223: ok that probably means you aren't...
[07:59] <reka> Strife: he's following BinaryDriverHowTo in the wiki
[07:59] <goldfish> well
[07:59] <edc> pallav, ; find the windows partition and delete it..
[07:59] <pallav> and in my other hard drive i have some files i want to access the other hard drive
[07:59] <Strife> reka: well, I didn't know if he had added composite support earlier, which doesn't work for fglrx, but works for ati
[07:59] <Will__> pallav: ntfs, or fat32?
[07:59] <Strife> pallav: which is the 'other' partition?
[08:00] <pallav> ntfs
[08:00] <reka> Strife: i don't recall him saying anything bout transparency.  i thought he just wanted to install the driver for 3d support
[08:00] <bjr223> reka, thats correct, thats what I wanted.
[08:00] <NeoGeo64> i have windows media player 10 running on ubuntu
[08:00] <reka> bjr223: post your xorg.conf file to paste.ubuntulinux.nl and then post the link to it here.
[08:00] <Strife> reka: right, but just because someone doesn't mention something doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't use it :)
[08:00] <bjr223> reka, ok.
[08:00] <pallav> how can i see the files on that drive??
[08:01] <bjr223> Strife, what is this transparency stuff, for a nicer looking interface?
[08:01] <NeoGeo64> for people who like to waste clock cycles
[08:01] <Strife> bjr223: yeah, it's just eyecandy... but because ATI sucks, you can't have both 3D acceleration and eyecandy at the same time
[08:01] <bjr223> Strife, I see.
[08:01] <Will__> pallav: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[08:01] <Strife> bjr223: so you CAN use the non-accelerated drivers to get the eyecandy, but then that goes as slow as hell
[08:02] <NeoGeo64> if programmers did a better job we wouldnt need 4ghz processors and half of your hard drives storage in system memory
[08:02] <pallav> didn't really help thats why i m here
[08:02] <PhantomFreak> Can somebody please help!  My wireless ared is detected in Device Manager but not as wlan0 or ath0 or anything recognizable! Now will someone give me a hand instead of just sitting there?
[08:02] <bjr223> reka, what is that link again?
[08:02] <Will__> pallav: Ah. Why did it not help?
[08:02] <reka> bjr223: scroll up :P
[08:03] <bjr223> reka, xchat crashed.
[08:03] <pallav> okay 1st thing when i click on the drives under /dev/....bla bla
[08:03] <daffodil> can anyone help me with my monitor issues?  i just got a flatscreen lcd monitor but it only displays in 640x800 or some small number
[08:03] <nalioth> Will__: please give a public service msg when you recommend ubuntuguide
[08:03] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: yes
[08:03] <pallav> it comes up with a message saying couldn't display /dev/hda1...
[08:03] <daffodil> GNULinuxer, i tried following some instructions i found online and altered my xorg.conf but to no avail
[08:03] <Will__> nalioth: I have no idea what that means
[08:03] <nalioth> Will__: re: #3 here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[08:03] <reka> PhantomFreak: most of the time it's b/c no one in the room (who is awake) has an answer for you, not that we're ignoring you.
[08:03] <daffodil> and i did back up the original of course :)
[08:04] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: show me lsmod
[08:04] <reka> bjr223: paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:04] <pallav> so i thought it is not mounted so i tried mounting it using mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/test
[08:04] <daffodil> want me to paste it in pm or at the website in the topic?
[08:04] <daffodil> or is there a particular module you're looking for?
[08:04] <Will__> nalioth: Ah. Noted. I shall update my practices
[08:04] <sexcopter8000m> hi, is there alternative software out there for linux to play real media and/or quicktime media, like quicktime alternative for windows?
[08:04] <bjr223> reka, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/370
[08:04] <pallav> then it says only root can do that
[08:05] <pallav> i don't have a root account
[08:05] <pallav> i m confused
[08:05] <pallav> :(
[08:05] <Will__> pallav: use sudo to enter a command as root
[08:05] <nalioths_dog> sexcopter8000m: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[08:05] <pallav> sudo  root??
[08:05] <jeroen_> pallav, sudo command
[08:05] <Kvark> no pallav, just add sudo in front of the command
[08:05] <PhantomFreak> OK then, a bit simpler this time! How do I create an entry say "/dev/wlan0" to link to my card?
[08:05] <bpuccio> hmmm, marillat is replaced by backports?  I didn't get that memo, I'll change things now
[08:05] <sexcopter8000m> tyvm nalioths_dog
[08:05] <pallav> ok
[08:06] <dr_willis> time to read some tutorials :)
[08:07] <Aerebus> Hello all, could someone explain to me the differences between ubuntu and fedora? i'm completely new to linux and 2 friends of mine suggested both fedora or ubuntu to learn from as a first time experience.
[08:07] <reka> bjr223: hmm, it seems correct.
[08:07] <Strife> Aerebus: the difference is that fedora sucks
[08:08] <dr_willis> :)
[08:08] <daffodil> GNULinuxer, i just posted it as devon
[08:08] <bjr223> reka, odd..so everything seems correct?
[08:08] <nalioth> Aerebus: two words: NO rpms
[08:08] <Strife> Aerebus: honestly, though, the only differences are how certain things work, e.g., package management
[08:08] <Strife> that's really the biggest difference
[08:08] <reka> bjr223: from what i can see, yes.
[08:08] <Strife> apt >> rpm
[08:08] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: where?
[08:09] <we2by> IcemanV9, screenshot?
[08:09] <reka> bjr223: sure you installed the package? :-/
[08:09] <Will__> I should stop idling on irc when I've had 2 hours of sleep and 12 cups of coffee. I feel stupid and slightly mean
[08:09] <Strife> heh
[08:09] <gotonpo> hi, would someone like to help me with a dumb problem? (permissions on a second HD)
[08:09] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: read this --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:09] <bjr223> reka, how do I double check
[08:09] <daffodil> GNULinuxer, i will go do that now and return here if i need help, thank you
[08:09] <mig`> afternoon...
[08:10] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: ok
[08:10] <Aerebus> well whats a rpm? lol like i said i'm new
[08:10] <bjr223> reka, when i run apt-get install fglrx-driver it says selecting xorg-driver-fglrx instead of fglrx-driver.
[08:10] <mig`> i'm on the ubuntu livecd, are there any tools that will let me format (into fat32) a drive?
[08:10] <bjr223> and then it says that xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[08:10] <GNULinuxer> Aerebus: it's a package format
[08:10] <mig`> one of my external hard drives is dying, and only linux can read files from it, i need to copy files over, but first i have to format another external drive i have into fat32
[08:10] <reka> bjr223: you installed xorg-driver-fglrx correct?
[08:10] <bjr223> yes
[08:10] <nalioth> Aerebus: rpms are files used by Red Hat Package Mangler, er manager
[08:11] <reka> bjr223: fglrx-driver is for warty
[08:11] <nalioth> Aerebus: there is a term made just for rpms
[08:11] <bjr223> i realize this now...but it changed it to xorg-driver-fglrx for Hoary
[08:11] <nalioth> rpm-hell
[08:11] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: don't confuse a newbie with too many terms :)
[08:11] <Aerebus> so you guys think ubuntu would be a better experience for someone who knows nothing about linux and has never used it whatsoever?
[08:11] <reka> bjr223: and apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx says it's already installed?
[08:12] <Will__> Aerebus: Yes, yes, a thousand times yes
[08:12] <nalioth> Aerebus: ubuntu is the best choice
[08:12] <GNULinuxer> Aerebus: yes, provided you follow instructions
[08:12] <reka> Aerebus: you might be stumped by a few things in the installer though . :)
[08:12] <bjr223> reka, yes.
[08:12] <Aerebus> like?
[08:12] <Kvark> like choosing language
[08:12] <Aerebus> LOL
[08:12] <reka> Aerebus: do you know what a bootloader/mbr is?  how to partition your HDD?
[08:12] <GNULinuxer> Aerebus: the partiotioner is not too easy ...
[08:12] <Kvark> other then that there isn't much trouble with the installer
[08:13] <gotonpo> Hey guys.. i just formatted a second HD with GParted (fat32) and mounted it.. but i don't have permissions to write to it.. can someone help me out?
[08:13] <Aerebus> rake, yep
[08:13] <GNULinuxer> gotonpo: yes
[08:13] <reka> bjr223: hmm, i'm not sure.
[08:13] <njan> gotonpo, unless it's a shared system, add umask=0 to the flags you're using
[08:13] <Kvark> oh, yes free up space for a partition first before you start install
[08:13] <reka> bjr223: if it wasn't working, you wouldn't be able to start X
[08:13] <reka> bjr223: but you seem to be able to
[08:13] <Aerebus> when it comes to typical windows pc's i'm very knowledgable but i'm tired of windows *sigh*
[08:13] <reka> Aerebus: then you'll be fine. :)
[08:13] <gotonpo> njan: i have umask=000 already in there.. is that different?
[08:14] <reka> Aerebus: get burning. see you again soon. :)
[08:14] <Aerebus> one question tho
[08:14] <Will__> Aerebus: I like my desk. 2 identical (almost) computers. One runs windows, and one runs linux
[08:14] <kevin> ok .. now im having an mp3 problem
[08:14] <Aerebus> my drive is ntfs
[08:14] <bjr223> reka, in /var/log/Xorg.0.log it says that DRI initialization Failed.
[08:14] <Kvark> Aerebus: just make sure you have seme unpartitioned space
[08:14] <kevin> palying waaaaay to fast.
[08:14] <Aerebus> will ubuntu install on it?
[08:14] <bjr223> reka, maybe driver kernel module missing or bad
[08:14] <bjr223> then it says no 3D acceleration available.
[08:14] <reka> bjr223: but it says it's loaded, which is why i'm stumped
[08:15] <Kvark> Aerebus: no, the installer needs a new partition, so you need some unpartitioned space for it
[08:15] <reka> anyone else have any ideas?
[08:15] <reka> :)
[08:15] <kevin> hey reka, any idea why my mp3's would be playing fast?
[08:15] <reka> Aerebus: you can resize your windows partition if you want throught the installer.
[08:15] <reka> kevin: what program?
[08:15] <Aerebus> errr, what if my entire drive is ntfs... can i just delete the partition erase everything then create a new one for whatever file system linux uses?
[08:16] <kevin> reka xmms
[08:16] <reka> Aerebus: i repeat, you can resize your windows partition if you want throught the installer. :)
[08:16] <jeroen_> Aerebus, then you'll lose your data
[08:16] <kevin> and i get an error on rhythmbox
[08:16] <Kvark> Aerebus: that is very easy, or you can resize it with the installer as reka says, which is a lil harder
[08:16] <reka> Aerebus: and then use the newly freed space to install ubuntu
[08:16] <Aerebus> ya... thats the point to get rid of windows lol
[08:16] <HermanDE> Aerebus: Do you care about the windows partition?
[08:16] <jeroen_> Aerebus, oh sure you can
[08:16] <reka> Aerebus: you sure you want to get rid of it entirely?
[08:17] <reka> kevin: hmm, try using beep-media-player and see if it's any different
[08:17] <jasoncohen> Aerebus, if it's mostly empty space, you can probably shrink the NTFS partition, and copy the data over
[08:17] <HermanDE> Aerebus: You might want to take care of your settings and files....  Like email and addresses....
[08:17] <Aerebus> the data is all backed up i'm not worried about losing anything i wanna have 1 drive with linux on it and my entired drive has 1 partition thats ntfs if i delete that partition can i still repartition and install ubuntu?
[08:17] <reka> Aerebus: yes, it will delete windows and set it up automatically iirc
[08:18] <HermanDE> Aerebus: Let'er rip.  Follow the installer and just delete the whole partition....
[08:18] <Kvark> Aerebus: if you don't want to keep windows or the data on it, then it's best to make a new partition for linux that takes up the whole disk
[08:18] <Aerebus> kk
[08:18] <bjr223> reka, brb, restarting again.
[08:18] <skel_> are balckbox and fluxbox anygood?
[08:18] <reka> skel_: people seem to like fluxbox
[08:18] <Aerebus> how many gigabytes can linux see? as many as you designate into the partition?
[08:18] <HermanDE> skel_: Yep...
[08:18] <skel_> alrighty
[08:19] <skel_> i gonna try fluxbox again
[08:19] <skel_> first time there was almost nothing there
[08:19] <skel_> lol
[08:19] <reka> skel_: read up first
[08:19] <reka> skel_: yeah, taht's what i mean
[08:19] <xhaker> anyone got ati fglrx module compile right on breezy?
[08:19] <reka> skel_: you have to do some config iirc
[08:19] <HermanDE> Aerebus: Depends on your motherboard, IDE level and hard drive....
[08:19] <edc> lol
[08:20] <HermanDE> Aerebus: For the most part, Linux can see 4 Terrabytes...  If I remember correctly...
[08:20] <mig`> anyone here willing to help me? i have a usb 2.0 connected drive, that i want for format as fat32
[08:20] <reka> xhaker: prerequisite question: you *do* know breezy is still under development right?
[08:20] <Aerebus> ok so its standard computer mechanics, i.e. 137gb barrier mobo limits etc
[08:20] <mig`> im on the ubuntu livecd
[08:20] <Aerebus> cool
[08:20] <daffodil> GNULinuxer:  well i tried the first option, and now i can't even get xserver to run at all
[08:20] <daffodil> do you have the link for that wiki again since i can't get to it right now?
[08:20] <Aerebus> ty everyone that helped contribute to my questions :)
[08:20] <GNULinuxer> oops
[08:20] <daffodil> i'm on my laptop right now
[08:20] <xhaker> reka: i do know that
[08:20] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: get the backup on
[08:20] <reka> Aerebus: hehe, see you soon then.
[08:20] <Aerebus> :)
[08:21] <HermanDE> Aerebus: That is only for booting.  Once booted, Linux can discover the proper settings and even run a 200 G hard drive on a pentium 1 motherboard.
[08:21] <kevin> reka, still fast
[08:21] <reka> HermanDE: don't you hate when they leave right before you post?
[08:21] <mig`> whats the su password on an ubuntu livecd?
[08:22] <xhaker> reka, i'm not really an unskilled user, but applying fc4 patches for gcc4 compatibility makes the module compile but it doesn't do DRI
[08:22] <daffodil> i copied the original back into xorg.conf and that doesn't even work
[08:22] <HermanDE> reka: It is either that or a large delay.  I'm thinking it is a delay.
[08:22] <reka> kevin: hmm, have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[08:22] <daffodil> GNULinuxer:  do you have the link for the wiki again so i can get back to it?
[08:22] <kevin> reka, yes.
[08:22] <GNULinuxer> yes
[08:22] <reka> xhaker: yeah, sorry, i can't really help with breezy.
[08:22] <HermanDE> mig`: Try sudo instead of su....
[08:22] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:22] <mig`> ok
[08:23] <daffodil> thank you
[08:23] <xhaker> reka, it should be something to talk about on -devel
[08:23] <shamus> Hello, what's the best way to install ubuntu to make this a dual boot system, take out this harddrive and slide the one i'm going to install ubuntu in as the master, install and then put the windows back in as slave?
[08:24] <gotonpo> can mac os x read ext3 filesystems?
[08:24] <xhaker> shamus, why? just keep both plugged and make sure the install detects the windows partition
[08:24] <gotonpo> easily?
[08:24] <mig`> anyone know what the max partition size for fat32 is?
[08:24] <HermanDE> shamus: I'd suggest using a boot loader like xosl.  Which version of Windows?
[08:24] <shamus> xp
[08:25] <shamus> so put the second harddrive which i am going to instal ubuntu on in as slave?
[08:25] <reka> kevin: may have found something...
[08:25] <Kvark> shamus: can't you give them a cable each?
[08:25] <HermanDE> shamus: XP can get very picky as to where the boot is located....
[08:25] <reka> kevin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15897
[08:26] <reka> kevin: oh, hang on
[08:26] <reka> kevin: did you change the output plugin to esound or alsa?
[08:26] <sham> gah
[08:26] <sham> need to find a good wirelesws channel...
[08:26] <reka> mig`: iirc, it's in the terabyte region
[08:26] <sham> so, put both harddrives as masters?
[08:26] <Kvark> sham: not if they are on the same cable
[08:27] <Gourami> hehe sham
[08:27] <kevin> reka esound doesnt work, alsa does
[08:27] <bjr223> reka, how do i see if direct rendering is working?
[08:27] <PhantomFreak> Why is getting support for Ubuntu like bashing my head against the wall! At this rate I might as well go back ot using Windows XP...
[08:27] <reka> kevin: fixed?
[08:27] <HermanDE> PhantomFreak: what is your problem?
[08:27] <kevin> hey reka, gotta get to work, ima bookmark that and figure it out tomorrow
[08:27] <reka> bjr223: glxinfo | grep rendering
[08:27] <Kvark> PhantomFreak: ask at ubuntuforums.org, very good support community
[08:27] <sham> i'm confused, so should the harddrive that i want to instal ubuntu on be master or slave
[08:27] <reka> kevin: k, good luck
[08:28] <kevin> reka, no, just esound doesnt do anything, oss and alsa is to fast
[08:28] <jasoncohen> in debian i was able to play wmv & quicktime movies from yahoo.com's collection of trailers. In ubuntu, i get a message saying that windows media player & quicktime aren't installed. i have w32codecs, xine-ui, totem-xine, and kaffeine installed. i'm using kaffeine-mozilla to play the videos
[08:28] <bjr223> reka, still says now, but now this comes with too:
[08:28] <bjr223> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:28] <jasoncohen> i can play quicktime trailers on quicktime's site fine
[08:28] <HermanDE> sham: I'd suggest keeping the windows drive as master.   YOur just sitting there doing nothing, making it all seem like you think I'
[08:28] <mig`> what's the LBA stand for? should i just make a plain old "0B" W95 FAT32 partition, or should i make "0C" W95 FAT32 LBA ?
[08:28] <Kvark> sham: perferably put them on separate cables and make both master, if you got only 1 cable then you'll have to make it slave
[08:28] <mig`> i'm trying to make a 60GB FAT32 Partition
[08:28] <gotonpo> I need some help! I just formatted a second HD with GParted (vfat) and i can't write to it!
[08:29] <reka> heh. poor bugger.
[08:29] <sham> i'm sure i have another ide cable lying around somewhere, thanks
[08:29] <HermanDE> sham: Then go through the installer for ubuntu.  Ensure that you install on the slave or secondary master.....
[08:29] <Will__> PhantomFreak was a little upset. That's sad.
[08:29] <Kvark> I so want to dos that phantomfreak guy
[08:29] <HermanDE> sham: Decide on a good boot loader.  It should be able to boot Linux as well as windows.
[08:29] <reka> mig`: iirc, LBA = large block access
[08:30] <hondje> Anyone who gets that worked up over their computer needs a serious break
[08:30] <sham> doesn't ubuntu have the option to instal grub with it?
[08:30] <HermanDE> sham: There are a few howto's for forcing the XP boot loader to run linux...
[08:30] <bjr223> reka, any ideas?
[08:30] <mig`> i see.. hmm, i think i'll use that then
[08:30] <GNULinuxer> reka: it's Logical
[08:31] <HermanDE> I guess PhantomFreak is broke and cant access the interne....  Wait a minute.  Guess he is using the bird peer to peer network....
[08:31] <reka> GNULinuxer: ah, ok.  cheers.
[08:31] <gotonpo> I need some help! I just formatted a second HD with GParted (vfat) and i can't write to it!
[08:31] <HermanDE> sham: Grub can work.  Just take care to get the partition names correct for windows XP.....
[08:31] <gotonpo> someone guide me!
[08:31] <reka> bjr223: ok, do this first: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.backup
[08:32] <GNULinuxer> reka: and it's addressing, not access :)
[08:32] <reka> then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:32] <bjr223> done
[08:32] <HermanDE> gotonpo: Did you mount the partition?  Which OS?
[08:32] <bjr223> reka, ok...
[08:32] <reka> GNULinuxer: ah, may have got confused with something i read about BIOS. :)
[08:32] <GNULinuxer> reka: lol
[08:32] <gotonpo> HermanDE, yes it's mounted.. hoary
[08:33] <HermanDE> gotonpo: How was it mounted?  What are the permissions?
[08:33] <mig`> ok think i've done it, now let me try copying from my NTFS drive -> fat32 drive I just formatted
[08:33] <gotonpo> HermanDE, when i go to properties in the file browser it says i have read/write/execute permissions, but i can't make a new folder on it
[08:33] <daffodil> hah!  i got it working
[08:33] <bjr223> reka, ok, running through this atm
[08:33] <gotonpo> HermanDE, i messed with fstab to mount it
[08:34] <mig`> still find it funny that windows xp can't see this drive, and yet linux can :p
[08:34] <bjr223> reka, kernel framebuffer device int. yes or no?
[08:34] <HermanDE> gotonpo: What were the options you put into fstab?
[08:34] <reka> er, help people?
[08:34] <gotonpo> HermanDE, /dev/hdb1       /home/wes/hdb1  vfat    umask=000       0       0
[08:34] <daffodil> GNULinuxer:  i'm more of a windows person than linux, but i'm very eager to learn, which is why i'm playing with ubuntu, so from my windows knowledge, i used the grand old age trick of rebooting, and now it's working, LOL
[08:34] <HermanDE> gotonpo: type in mount from a terminal and see what the permissions are....
[08:34] <reka> bjr223: sorry, never run it myself. :)
[08:34] <daffodil> thanks for that link though, i will save it for future reference
[08:34] <reka> bjr223: although i'd assume defaults are OK
[08:34] <HermanDE> mig`: It is a special drive.  Formatted with nonMS tools...  :)
[08:35] <mig`> hmm, it seems i'm having the same problem as someone else here
[08:35] <gotonpo> HermanDE, mount gives me this - /dev/hdb1 on /home/wes/hdb1 type vfat (ro,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0000)
[08:35] <mig`> i can't write (no permissions) to the drive
[08:35] <mig`> i wonder if i sudo and try to copy from the terminal if it'll work
[08:35] <bjr223> reka, ok, ran through it, all done, restart x or the entire box?
[08:35] <Seveas> gotonpo, the ro does that
[08:35] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: you just needed to restart the XServer
[08:35] <Seveas> mount it rw
[08:35] <HermanDE> gotonpo: See the "ro"  That means READ ONLY.  The owner is user 1000 and group 1000
[08:35] <reka> bjr223: um, X should be fine i think
[08:36] <GNULinuxer> daffodil: but a reboot doesn't hurt!
[08:36] <daffodil> GNULinuxer:  i did that a million times and it didn't work, but now it does, haha
[08:36] <gotonpo> HermanDE, ok, how can i fix it?
[08:36] <gotonpo> sorry i'm very new to this.
[08:36] <daffodil> so now i have two computers with ubuntu on them, just need to figur eout how to get them to see each other
[08:36] <Seveas> gotonpo, unmount and mount with rw option
[08:36] <HermanDE> gotonpo:  try "mount /dev/hdb1 -o remount,rw"
[08:36] <bjr223> reka, still no direct rendering.
[08:36] <xhaker> hey HiddenWolf
[08:37] <mig`> heh, that seems to have worked ;)
[08:37] <gotonpo> beautiful, it works!
[08:37] <reka> fudge
[08:37] <gotonpo> will this be permanent?
[08:37] <Seveas> gotonpo, no
[08:37] <mig`> i guess, as a normal user, ubuntu didnt have permission
[08:37] <gotonpo> how can i put it in the boot process?
[08:37] <mig`> i love this livecd though ;)
[08:37] <HermanDE> EVERYTHING IS FIXED....  Time to get a beer...
[08:37] <Seveas> did you put the drive in /etc/fstab?
[08:37] <mig`> guess i'll have to keep on copying everything via cmdline
[08:37] <gotonpo> Seveas, yes
[08:37] <reka> bjr223: try a reboot?  sorry i'm stumped.
[08:37] <HiddenWolf> xhaker, hi
[08:37] <bjr223> reka, ok, trying a reboot.
[08:37] <Seveas> gotonpo, then change the options field, add rw to it
[08:38] <Seveas> gotonpo, if this sounds like abracadabra, paste the relevant line from fstab here :)
[08:38] <gotonpo> Seveas, help me with that.. this is what's in fstab now. /dev/hdb1       /home/wes/hdb1  vfat    umask=000       0       0
[08:38] <anna> does anyone know where to put cursor/pointer themes globally so they are available to everyone?
[08:38] <Seveas>  /dev/hdb1     /home/wes/hdb1    vfat     rw,umask=0000
[08:38] <Seveas>  /dev/hdb1     /home/wes/hdb1    vfat     rw,umask=0000    0      0
[08:38] <Seveas> don't forget the zeroes :)
[08:39] <gotonpo> awesome
[08:39] <gotonpo> thank you so much
[08:39] <gotonpo> this was killin me
[08:39] <Seveas> anna, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php should know
[08:40] <Zodiac> sup all
[08:40] <bjr223> reka, still none.
[08:40] <HermanDE> Zodiac: Where is the soup?
[08:40] <Zodiac> I done ate it
[08:40] <reka> bjr223: :(
[08:41] <HermanDE> reka: What's the prob?
[08:41] <gotonpo> thanks again everyone
[08:41] <reka> bjr223: i honestly don't know what's next...
[08:41] <gotonpo> i'm sure i'll be back soon
[08:41] <reka> HermanDE: well, he left, but he was trying to install the xorg-fglrx driver for his ati card
[08:41] <HermanDE> reka: Wow..  Didn't even wait... :)
[08:42] <reka> i think he's gone back to his old OS :(
[08:42] <HermanDE> reka: eeewwww...   I really wish ati would finally fix their OS stuff....
[08:42] <HermanDE> reka: That was ment to be Open Source....
[08:43] <reka> i have an almost iddentical card though
[08:43] <reka> to him
[08:43] <reka> and it works fine here.
[08:44] <HermanDE> reka: My experience with ATI under linux is to replace it with nvidia....
[08:44] <reka> HermanDE: hehe, not the first time i've heard that.
[08:46] <TPC> something makes it lock the computer so it asks for a password if I turn down the laptop screen. how can I disable this?
[08:47] <Seveas> TPC, edit the scripts in /etc/acpi
[08:47] <TPC> ok, tanks
[08:47] <TPC> thanks*
[08:48] <blaroe> hi all - running the 386 kernel with nvidia-driver on an Athlon-XP machine.  If I switch to the K7 kernel will I need to reinstall the nvidia drivers?
[08:49] <jeroen_> blaroe, you can choose between -386 and -k7 at boot
[08:49] <jeroen_> blaroe, so you can just try it out
[08:49] <sean_> does ubuntu come with mp3 codecs?
[08:49] <chonny69> hi
[08:49] <HermanDE> sean_: Yep....
[08:49] <reka> sean_: not on default install
[08:50] <reka> HermanDE: it does? :-/
[08:50] <bjr223> reka, still no luck.
[08:50] <blaroe> jeron - thanks.   If I need to reinstall, can I force this through apt-get?
[08:50] <sean_> well, nothing works with xmms
[08:50] <reka> ah, you came back. :)
[08:50] <sean_> only cds work
[08:50] <bjr223> reka, yeah, gdm wasn't starting correctly.
[08:50] <HermanDE> reka: Compressor/Decompressor..  Think mpg123 as a decompressor...  Compressor might be a little odd...
[08:50] <reka> sean_: did you change the output plugin to esound?
[08:50] <bjr223> reka, then i had trouble figuring out how to kill gdm
[08:51] <reka> could someone help out bjr223?  i'm stumped
[08:51] <chonny69> hey i'm just curious:  is there a messenger client for linux that has webcam support?
[08:51] <mig`> hmm, i'm going to need some help with 'cp', there is a way i can have it parse a list of commands maybe? (or copy files from a list) ?
[08:51] <Seveas> HermanDE, coder/decoder a codec is not neccessarily a compressor :)
[08:51] <chaps0063> i am bjr223..
[08:51] <chaps0063> changed names.
[08:51] <mig`> i want to copy over 9 files, with different names
[08:51] <HermanDE> sean_: Try and download mpg123
[08:51] <xhaker> mercury supports webcam, it needs java
[08:51] <Seveas> HermanDE, mpg321 is better
[08:51] <mig`> but i have to do it doing: 'sudo cp -rv ....'
[08:51] <HermanDE> Seveas: Schemantickes...
[08:52] <mig`> hmm, let me try man cp
[08:52] <Seveas> HermanDE, and should be used with mpg321 -o esd on Hoary
[08:52] <mpm> anyone help me figure out how to tweak this script to convert wma to wav instead of wma-mp3?  http://pastebin.com/306247
[08:52] <chonny69> mercury does?  can it connect to the msn protocol?
[08:52] <Gourami> is there any way to send a scheduled message to the current user via a cron job ?
[08:52] <Michel> Hello
[08:52] <reka> ah, well can someone help out chaps0063 with his fglrx driver issues?
[08:52] <goldfish> Gourami: you could use 'wall' maybe.
[08:52] <chaps0063> reka, thanks...this is a rather interesting problem..
[08:53] <goldfish> Gourami: man wall
[08:53] <Michel> I just switched to Ubuntu from Suse 9.3. Does anyone know how to have multiple XWindows server running? (Multiple session) like in Suse?
[08:53] <Gourami> is there a man for wall ? goldfish
[08:53] <Gourami> not familiar with it
[08:53] <goldfish> i have one on this box
[08:53] <TPC> mig`, if the list of files is in filelist.txt just do: for i in $(cat filelist.txt); do mv $i /path/to/destination; done
[08:53] <Gourami> ok will check, thanks
[08:53] <goldfish> im not on ubuntu though
[08:53] <Seveas> Michel, applications -> system tools -> new login
[08:54] <Seveas> Michel, if you install xnest you also get: New login in a nested window
[08:54] <mig`> thanks TPC
[08:54] <mig`> now, let me make filelist.txt
[08:54] <Michel> seveas it did not do anything.....
[08:54] <Michel> Seveas, I am using kde... not sure if that makes a difference.
[08:54] <Seveas> Michel, it does :)
[08:54] <TPC> mig`, if there is spaces in the filename you want to put the $i after mv in quotes
[08:54] <odie5533_> Anyone know why KDE doesn't give me the option for shutdown?
[08:55] <sean_> hmm, is  there something im doing wrong because no media file will play
[08:55] <mig`> thx
[08:55] <chonny69> xhaker thanks for pointing out the mercury client for me
[08:55] <Seveas> this works only on gnome, KDE might have it too but i don't know
[08:55] <odie5533_> and my WDM manager, when I try to halt it gives me "Error Halting"
[08:55] <Seveas> odie5533_, because you use GDM
[08:55] <xhaker> chonny69, np
[08:55] <sean_> says i dont have the codecs
[08:55] <Seveas> or WDM :)
[08:55] <Michel> Hmmmm maybe I should have installed kubuntu :)
[08:55] <Seveas> odie5533_, KDE can only offer a shutdown option if you run KDM
[08:55] <reka> chaps0063: to say the least.
[08:55] <reka> chaps0063: i'm tempted to tell you to try the official ati driver....but you might have the same problem and would have done all the work for nothing
[08:55] <gm78> Hey. If there is a package in an apt repo, how do i download the deb using apt? (i dont mean apt-get install, i mean a command to download the deb to my home folder or somewhere on my harddrive without installing it)
[08:56] <nalioths_dog> sean_: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[08:56] <Michel> Seveas, how do you switch between running KDM and GDM?
[08:56] <Seveas> apt-get -d install
[08:56] <chaps0063> understood.
[08:56] <odie5533_> Is there anyway to shut down with WDM?
[08:56] <chaps0063> reka, how difficult is the official at driver
[08:56] <nalioth> gm78: use the --download-only option
[08:56] <Seveas> Michel, edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:57] <chaps0063> reka, i just downloaded the rpm from ati, what is the command to install from rpm?
[08:57] <sean_> nalioths_dog, thanks
[08:57] <Seveas> chaps0063, BAD idea
[08:57] <Seveas> throw out the rpm
[08:57] <chaps0063> Seveas, ok.
[08:57] <Seveas> chaps0063: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:57] <Seveas> follow these instructions
[08:57] <reka> Seveas: he did that.  that's the problem
[08:57] <chaps0063> Seveas, i did and it doesn't work/
[08:57] <reka> he's still not getting DR
[08:57] <gm78> nalioth, when i use this option, where will it download the deb to?
[08:58] <Seveas> ah, ok
[08:58] <Seveas> so you did put driver = "fglrx" in the xorg.conf..?
[08:58] <chaps0063> Seveas, yes.
[08:58] <atomik> hi all
[08:58] <Seveas> gm78, /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:58] <chaps0063> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/370
[08:58] <nalioth> gm78: /var/apt/cache, i believe
[08:58] <atomik> does ubuntu use NPTL as a threading lib ? or it uses linux threads instead ?
[08:58] <gm78> nalioh Seveas, thank you both for your help
[08:59] <racket2424> please forgive my noobness, but to run a .sh script from console do I just type in the file name?
[08:59] <Seveas> chaps0063, that xorg.conf is missing a few things
[08:59] <chaps0063> Seveas, like?
[08:59] <dao> hey
[08:59] <reka> Seveas: any ideas? he gets: "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" when running glxinfo | grep rendering iirc
[08:59] <dao> what is the command to search for packages with apt-get?
[08:59] <chaps0063> reka, i had issues then...now it just says direct rendering: no
[09:00] <Seveas> chaps0063, compare it with mine here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/376
[09:00] <TPC> dao, apt-cache search
[09:00] <randabis> hi folks
[09:00] <nalioth> racket2424: there are multiple answers one is "sh filename.sh"
[09:00] <dao> ty
[09:00] <gm78> What does everyone think about upgrading my system with ubuntu backports??? Is it risky??? Is it stable???
[09:00] <nalioth> racket2424: the other is..is the file executable already? in which case, yes ,just run it from the prompt
[09:00] <randabis> it's generally pretty safe gm78
[09:00] <Seveas> gm78, risky but doable if donw with precaution
[09:00] <nalioth> gm78: do not upgrade your system
[09:00] <atomik> nobody knows ? (nptl or linux threads in ubuntu ?)
[09:00] <TPC> randabis, don't forget to put ./ before the filename, since its most likely not in your path
[09:01] <Seveas> gm78, I myself run a system with backports enabled (except for firefox)
[09:01] <randabis> TPC
[09:01] <gavin> hi people, i am as new as it gets to linux, all i want is to update firefox
[09:01] <nalioth> gm78: use BP for the programs you can't get using reg ubuntu repos (then comment BP out)
[09:01] <randabis> TPC: ?
[09:01] <TPC> like ./filename.sh
[09:01] <Seveas> atomik, linuxthreads
[09:01] <racket2424> nalioth, thanks....i realized my mistake.. it was an extension problem
[09:01] <racket2424> thanks !
[09:01] <randabis> TPC: I think you meant racket2424
[09:01] <randabis> :p
[09:01] <Seveas> atomik, afaik that is...
[09:01] <TPC> yeah, wrong completion
[09:01] <TPC> :P
[09:01] <atomik> Seveas: do you know if it will use NPTL or not ?
[09:01] <TPC> randabis, sorry
[09:01] <Gourami> gavin use synaptic
[09:01] <nalioth> racket2424: it doesnt have to end in .sh to be a shell script
[09:02] <randabis> TPC: no problem. Tab completion can be tricky :p
[09:02] <nalioth> gm78: my opinion comes from the system stability end of things
[09:02] <gm78> nalioth : but then the packages (transcode) require gcc to be updated to version 4
[09:02] <Seveas> atomik, LSB will standardize on NPTL so if it does not use it yet, it will. But i'll double check to see if it uses it now
[09:02] <Kvark> i found some drivers on a french website that I don't know anything about, should I try them?
[09:02] <chonny69> ok, i recently migrated from windows, so i still have windows habits...
[09:02] <randabis> ouch windows habits :p
[09:02] <nalioth> gm78: i have transcode on my ibook here running hoary
[09:02] <atomik> Seveas: ok thanks
[09:02] <gm78> nalioth, from backports?
[09:02] <chaps0063> Seveas, I just see a bunch of things missing, are they vital?
[09:02] <chonny69> but when i extract a folder to the desktop and install it to the system, are the files used by the system on the folder in the desktop?
[09:03] <nalioth> gm78: nope, i used apt to build it
[09:03] <HappyFool> l
[09:03] <Kvark> chonny, yeah, downloading software is a windows habit
[09:03] <Seveas> atomik, it uses NPTL already
[09:03] <gm78> nalioth, word of warning, dont use the source from your website. you'll end up killing yourself :P
[09:03] <Seveas> dennis@mirage /lib/tls $ strings libpthread.so.0 | grep -i nptl
[09:03] <Seveas> NPTL 0.60 by Ulrich Drepper
[09:03] <gm78> *from their website
[09:03] <Kvark> chonny69: get into the linux habit of using synaptic package manager
[09:03] <gm78> i meant to say
[09:04] <Seveas> chaps0063, look at the extmod thingie
[09:04] <atomik> Seveas: how do you check that ?
[09:04] <Seveas> chaps0063, that's essential
[09:04] <Evans> hello all again
[09:04] <atomik> ok
[09:04] <chonny69> i use synaptic for everything system
[09:04] <gm78> nalioth, so how did u go about doing that? i tried everything and only managed to get a very old version installed
[09:04] <TPC> chonny69, what exactly did you do to install the thing?
[09:04] <nalioth> gm78: source from what website?
[09:05] <Kvark> people, should I try drivers from a strange french website?
[09:05] <Evans> dose anyone know how can get a windows stufff onto Ubuntu
[09:05] <gm78> nalioth, transcoding.org, just spent a few days trying to get their thing to compile, the configure script doesnt work at all
[09:05] <chonny69> tpc:  well i have a nomad zen xtra and i downloaded nomadsync to sync it with my system
[09:05] <Gourami> Evans you can try wine depending on what you want to do
[09:05] <chonny69> i downloaded and extracted the nomadsync to my home folder
[09:05] <reka> Kvark: would you accept lollies from a strange frenchman? :P
[09:05] <nalioth> gm78: nope, you'll need to find a repository or a source repo with it available
[09:05] <mig`> TPC: not working
[09:05] <chonny69> it's libnjb, actually
[09:06] <Evans> Gourami are eagle drivers good?
[09:06] <Seveas> atomik, the libary in /usr/lib is linuxthreads though
[09:06] <Kvark> reka: no, but there is no drivers for my graphics tablet in the repos :(
[09:06] <TPC> mig`, whats went wrong?
[09:06] <TPC> what*
[09:06] <mig`> in 'files' i have: /media/volname/path\ to\ dir/file
[09:06] <chonny69> but my question is, when i run ./install and so on, do i still need that libnjb in my home folder
[09:06] <mig`> i do that for each file in 'files' separated by a newline
[09:06] <mig`> then in the console i'm doing:
[09:06] <Gourami> no idea Evans, you want windows drivers or windows apps ?
[09:06] <mig`> for i in $(cat files); do cp -v $i /media/othervol/dir/; done
[09:07] <Evans> Gourami PM
[09:07] <reka> Kvark: hmm, i can't really advise you as i don't have a tablet myself.  have you checked the forums for any similar topics?
[09:07] <mig`> i'm getting: cp: cannot stat ....
[09:07] <chonny69> (however, i'm going to check synaptic first)
[09:07] <Bruno> jest kto z Polski??
[09:07] <Kvark> reka: yeah, nothing about it found
[09:07] <TPC> mig`, you can put an echo before cp to see the exact command its trying to execute
[09:07] <atomik> Seveas: ok
[09:07] <Seveas> Bruno, #ubuntu-pl
[09:07] <mig`> replace .... with alot of the spaces between the files
[09:07] <mig`> ok, let me try it
[09:07] <chaps0063> Seveas, so if i make changes to xorg.conf, just a restart of x is required?
[09:07] <Seveas> chaps0063, indeed
[09:07] <chaps0063> brb
[09:07] <reka> Kvark: and you did some extensive googling?
[09:07] <mig`> hmm
[09:07] <chonny69> looks like it's already there
[09:07] <Bruno> thank U
[09:08] <Kvark> thinking about filing a bug report asking them to add support for it, but first I'd like to see if there is drivers that help, might mention them in the bug report if they do...
[09:08] <gavin> i need help
[09:08] <jeroen_> gavin, just ask
[09:08] <gavin> i dont want to give up on linux
[09:08] <jeroen_> gavin, that's the topic
[09:08] <mig`> everything is on its line in gedit
[09:08] <gavin> all i want to do is update firefox
[09:08] <Seveas> gavin, what's the problem?
[09:08] <Seveas> gavin, why..?
[09:08] <Michel> Seveas: Thanks. Switching to KDM did the trick. But it still is not 'new login' I need to use. Instead the "Switch user" menu option has appeared in my menu :)
[09:08] <mig`> however, echo shows that cp is being called for partial lines
[09:08] <Seveas> FF in ubuntu is recent (all 1.0.4 patches applied)
[09:09] <reka> Kvark: well if you have no qualms about it possibly breaking your system and you are desperate, i'd try them...sure they match what you're looking for though?
[09:09] <mig`> partial paths
[09:09] <nuttychicken> sorry to ask a stupid question but can anyone awsner a couple for me?
[09:09] <Seveas> mig`, do you have spaces in the paths?
[09:09] <Kvark> reka, i found a sourceforge project that is just what i wanted, but they didn't seem to have the whole archive there anymore, from the sourceforge project they linked to the french place, and they had a modified version of the drivers from sourceforge
[09:09] <Seveas> nuttychicken, just ask :)
[09:09] <TPC> mig`, it doesn't like spaces in paths or filenames
[09:09] <mig`> Seveas, yes, but i add the "\ " before each space
[09:09] <gavin> so i can add extensions and other niffty things
[09:09] <Seveas> mig`, that won't work this way
[09:09] <reka> Kvark: ah, well that boosts their credibility somewhat.
[09:09] <nuttychicken> what rpms doen ubuntu use (sorry i'm kinda a newbie to linux
[09:09] <mig`> i see
[09:09] <reka> Kvark: is there a manufacturer site for your tablet?
[09:09] <jeroen_> gavin, you'll need to change the version number in about:config
[09:09] <Seveas> gavin, you just need to change a setting in firefox
[09:09] <mig`> so i should just remove the "\ " ?
[09:09] <jeroen_> nuttychicken, Ubuntu uses debs
[09:10] <TPC> mig`, it doesn't matter, for sees a space as a separator for the arguments
[09:10] <nalioth> nuttychicken: ubuntu doesnt use rpm
[09:10] <Seveas> gavin: Open firefox and in about:config set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[09:10] <mig`> i also tried it with "$i" in the for loop
[09:10] <jeroen_> nuttychicken, which are better ;)
[09:10] <mig`> and still gave me issues
[09:10] <TPC> mig`, so it thinks that a new file begins there
[09:10] <Kvark> reka, yes the manfacturer has drivers for windows and mac, and states that for linux one has to use 3rd party open source drivers
[09:10] <TPC> mig`, there was some solution to it, but I can't think of it now
[09:10] <Seveas> mig`, you can never do it that way i'm afraid
[09:10] <mig`> hmm
[09:10] <Seveas> maybe with "  " around the filenames
[09:10] <mig`> i tried that as well
[09:10] <mig`> bah
[09:10] <mig`> i'll just manually copy the files then
[09:11] <mig`> its 9 files, but at this rate, it'll be faster if i copy them manually
[09:11] <lsuactiafner> what the amd xp and amd 3200+ only has a 300 differance in bogomips?!
[09:11] <reka> Kvark: well, i'll leave it up to you. :)
[09:11] <Seveas> nuttychicken, forget rpms, Ubuntu uses .deb files which are a LOT better :)
[09:11] <reka> it's your system after all
[09:11] <nuttychicken> .deb?
[09:11] <TPC> mig`, yes, but its still good to learn for next time
[09:11] <Seveas> nuttychicken, the debian archive format
[09:11] <mig`> i plan to learn it
[09:11] <mig`> but i plan to do it while the files copy ;)
[09:11] <lsuactiafner> damn that sucks
[09:11] <Michel> Seveas, do you kow anything about synaptics mousepads?
[09:11] <Evans> Question : Dose anyone know how to help me setup my ADSL Sagem 800 Modem?
[09:11] <Seveas> nuttychicken, but you will hardly see them, the package manager (system -> admin -> pm) handles them transparently for you
[09:11] <TPC> mig`, you could put __ or something instead of the spaces, and then use sed to replace the __ with a space in the mv command
[09:12] <Seveas> Michel, very little, mine worked out of the box and I never messed with it
[09:12] <TPC> but that seems like overkill, there should be a better way
[09:12] <Kvark> reka, I'm not used to open source, I don't know what the risk is that non debian drivers doesn't work for ubuntu, or how worried I should be about keyloggers etc when getting open source stuff from unknown sources
[09:12] <nuttychicken> well thanks was just courious about that
[09:12] <TPC> mig`, do the files have the same extension or some other special pattern in them that the other files in that dir doesn't have?
[09:12] <Michel> Seveas, it works out of the box for normal things, but it actually says it does not find any synaptics mousepad :(
[09:13] <mig`> they go in order
[09:13] <mig`> they are videos
[09:13] <reka> Kvark: what format do they come in?
[09:13] <Seveas> Michel, odd, maybe you should manually add it to xorg.conf
[09:13] <mig`> so it'd be like: vid140.avi vid141.avi, etc.
[09:13] <Michel> Which mean I cannot use the wheelmouse emulation option.
[09:13] <TPC> because then you could just do: for i in /path/to/*.avi for example, and spaces wouldn'tmatter
[09:13] <mig`> wont work
[09:13] <mig`> i dont want all of them
[09:13] <Seveas> Evans: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[09:13] <nalioth> Kvark: open source means anyone can look at it
[09:13] <Kvark> reka, .tar.bz2
[09:13] <mig`> i only want a subset
[09:13] <nalioth> Kvark: if anyone finds any fishiness, the world will be made known
[09:13] <TPC> mig`, well.. if you want all that starts with vid14 just do /path/to/vid14*.avi
[09:13] <Evans> Seveas i tried
[09:14] <Evans> he said i had to pay :@
[09:14] <TPC> mig`, or some other way, I'm sure there's some way to specify it
[09:14] <reka> nalioth: Kvark's questioning whether or not to trust a driver for his graphics tablet
[09:14] <mig`> actually 14* will work
[09:14] <Seveas> Evans, who did..?
[09:14] <Michel> Seveas, I find the following in Xorg.0.log: Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics event device found (checked 5 nodes)
[09:14] <TPC> mig`, why not?
[09:14] <Kvark> nalioth, so that makes a french website I've never heard of (but that is linked to from a small sourceforge project) trustable?
[09:14] <Evans> this person sent me an Email
[09:14] <mig`> it will
[09:14] <Evans> and in the link it had paidhelp
[09:14] <Seveas> Michel, that goes waayyy beyond my knowledge, sorry
[09:14] <mig`> so what do you suggest then? dir ?
[09:14] <Seveas> Evans, i meant the Ubuntu mailinglists
[09:15] <TPC> mig`, for i in in /path/to/vid14*.avi; do mv "$i" /some/other/path; done
[09:15] <Seveas> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[09:15] <Michel> Seveas, ok thanks anyway :)
[09:16] <nalioth> Kvark: reka sorry
[09:16] <nuttychicken> ok the other question ....box is dual booted win 98 and ubuntu 2 seperate hd's i want to get ubuntu to automaticly mount hda1 as rw when booting anyhelp?
[09:16] <reka> nalioth: ?
[09:16] <reka> nuttychicken: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:16] <nalioth> reka: can't keep up with convos
[09:16] <mig`> that worked ;)
[09:17] <Seveas> nuttychicken, is hda1 the windows drive..?
[09:17] <nuttychicken> yea
[09:17] <Seveas> nuttychicken: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[09:17] <Seveas> use that, it's the easiest way :)
[09:17] <reka> Kvark: i'd give it a go.
[09:17] <Seveas> and rw is only possible for FAT, writing to NTFS is not possible
[09:17] <gavin> \seveas
[09:17] <nuttychicken> it's fat
[09:17] <mig`> i'm sure glad there is read support for ntfs though
[09:17] <Seveas> gavin..?
[09:17] <gavin> yeah?
[09:18] <mig`> otherwise the files i'm copying would be gone, windows wont read this drive :(
[09:18] <skel_> Whats a backPorts that is not overloading and has the lastest software