 The first one
 @JyotiGomes [I have a bq e5], that will work with UBsync
 Thanks a lot
 Holy crap I finally got it all working on the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7!  Mobile data w …], Let me know if you can make phone calls without the receiver hearing an echo on their voice.
 @TotalSonic [Let me know if you can make phone calls without the receiver hearing an echo on …], I'll try now
 @drym4rch0n [I'll try now], thanks!
 @drym4rch0n [I'll try now], My experience is that the UT side is all clear - but whoever you are calling will hear their voice echo
 @TotalSonic [My experience is that the UT side is all clear - but whoever you are calling wil …], Just called my wife and she said it sounded fine. No echo
 @TotalSonic [My experience is that the UT side is all clear - but whoever you are calling wil …], So I used TWRP, reflashed the stock rom (v<IP_ADDRESS>) because I was on Lineage 17.1. Then I never rebooted to the stock rom. I wiped data, flashed Lineage 16 20200226, wiped data, flashed the halium-boot.img, then flashed upports GSI install
[00:12] <ubptgbot> er v10. I had been using v9, but I found v10 here: https://github.com/Vin4ter/Ubports-Onclite-redmi7/blob/master/README.md … After that, booted to Ubuntu, everything worked.
 Now commenting from the Xiaomi Red mi Note 7 running UT. Not using wifi.
 @drym4rch0n [So I used TWRP, reflashed the stock rom (v<IP_ADDRESS>) because I was on Lineage 17. …], huh - that image is for Onclite (Redmi 7), not Lavender (Redmi Note 7).  But things are working better with it?  Maybe I will try that as well.
 @TotalSonic [huh - that image is for Onclite (Redmi 7), not Lavender (Redmi Note 7).  But thi …], I just found that I can't seem to get my computer to recognize it when I plug the usb in, but other than that everything seems to be great. I keep using data trying to see if it will drop mobile data but so far it's fine.
 @drym4rch0n [I just found that I can't seem to get my computer to recognize it when I plug th …], Can I ask where you are located and what carrier you are using?
 Texas, Tmobile
 @drym4rch0n [Texas, Tmobile], Me as well!
 No kidding? thats awesome, lol
 @drym4rch0n [No kidding? thats awesome, lol], And you definitely used the V10 Halium version for Onclite with this??
 @TotalSonic [And you definitely used the V10 Halium version for Onclite with this??], I mean I didn't even realize it was for onclite, but I'm using the v10 from the link I posted.
 @drym4rch0n [I mean I didn't even realize it was for onclite, but I'm using the v10 from the …], ok, whatever works - lol.  I will see whether the steps you did will allow me to get clear phone calls.
 @TotalSonic [ok, whatever works - lol.  I will see whether the steps you did will allow me to …], right on, good luck
 @drym4rch0n [right on, good luck], the only problem with GSI images is that we won't get OTA system updates.  But I figure it will take a little to get the installer port figured out anyway
 @TotalSonic [the only problem with GSI images is that we won't get OTA system updates.  But I …], Yeah that's definitely an issue. I'm not daily driving it though so for me I'm just glad to finally have a decent install to play with. If they can get the installer version figured out I'll definitely upgrade.
 @drym4rch0n [Yeah that's definitely an issue. I'm not daily driving it though so for me I'm j …], I just flashed mine to Lineage 17.1 today - but guess I am going to try and repeat your steps and see if it fixes the echoing voice problem.
 @drym4rch0n [Yeah that's definitely an issue. I'm not daily driving it though so for me I'm j …], do you have a link for where you grabbed the stock Xiaomi Mi rom from?
 I honestly don't remember. I downloaded it last week somewhere.
 Ok, will DuckDuckGo that thenm
 [Edit] Ok, will DuckDuckGo that then
 @TotalSonic [Ok, will DuckDuckGo that then], GPS may not be working. Stuck on "Waiting for GPS" at the moment.
 @drym4rch0n [GPS may not be working. Stuck on "Waiting for GPS" at the moment.], that usually happens with UT on the first time you try and find location - as it does not use aGPS, just GPS.  If you put it outside and let it sit for a bit it often finds location
 @TotalSonic [that usually happens with UT on the first time you try and find location - as it …], Good to know, thanks
 @drym4rch0n [Good to know, thanks], should mention, sit outside while searching for location, that is.
 @TotalSonic [should mention, sit outside while searching for location, that is.], Any idea how to get file transfer working with my PC?
 @drym4rch0n [Any idea how to get file transfer working with my PC?], Windows seems to have a problem with MTP into UT devices ported from Android 9 , people have reported that Ubuntu computers have been able to find it
 @TotalSonic [Windows seems to have a problem with MTP into UT devices ported from Android 9 , …], I'm on linux
 @drym4rch0n [I'm on linux], hmmm, not sure, maybe MTP is a problem then overall.
 @drym4rch0n [I'm on linux], is camera and video recording working on it?
 @drym4rch0n [Any idea how to get file transfer working with my PC?], Screen must be unlocked to mount mtp
 @TotalSonic [is camera and video recording working on it?], Camera works, video freezes it and the app has to be closed.
 @drym4rch0n [Camera works, video freezes it and the app has to be closed.], ok, that is the same as the installer version then
 @dohbee [Screen must be unlocked to mount mtp], Do I just plug it in to mount mtp, if so even unlocked it doesn't work.
 It should just show up in file manager.
 @dohbee [It should just show up in file manager.], Dang. Is there a known way to turn on mtp? I don't see anything in settings.
 @drym4rch0n [Dang. Is there a known way to turn on mtp? I don't see anything in settings.], sometimes it can be sensitive towards cable and connection - try different cables.  Also try another Android device if you have one and see if that works or not as well.
 @TotalSonic [sometimes it can be sensitive towards cable and connection - try different cable …], no luck, but I also just noticed I get no indication it's charging.
 Update: It is charging, just doesn't tell me it is.
 @TotalSonic [sometimes it can be sensitive towards cable and connection - try different cable …], Theres no MMS either, but I think thats pretty standard fair for UT.
 @drym4rch0n [Theres no MMS either, but I think thats pretty standard fair for UT.], yeah, I just use standard SMS anyway
 @TotalSonic [yeah, I just use standard SMS anyway], Riight on
 @drym4rch0n [Riight on], Is bluetooth working?
 @TotalSonic [Is bluetooth working?], Let me go find something I can bluetooth with and check. brb
 @TotalSonic [Is bluetooth working?], Yes it is
 @drym4rch0n [Yes it is], nice!  thanks for testing
 @TotalSonic [nice!  thanks for testing], No problem
 @TotalSonic [nice!  thanks for testing], I was able to bluetooth to my other phone and play audio from that phone on the linux phone, but when I connect to my linux pc I can't transfer files. Which sucks since MTP isn't working I was hoping I could just use bluetooth as a work around.
 @drym4rch0n [I was able to bluetooth to my other phone and play audio from that phone on the …], well, at least it has a micro-sd slot - you can always try the ol' "sneaker net" on this
 @TotalSonic [well, at least it has a micro-sd slot - you can always try the ol' "sneaker net" …], Sneaker net? … Also, hot spot works.
 @drym4rch0n [Sneaker net? … Also, hot spot works.], I'm showing my Gen X age with that one - "sneaker net" was when you walked a file on something like a floppy disc or CD-ROM from one computer to another
 @TotalSonic [I'm showing my Gen X age with that one - "sneaker net" was when you walked a fil …], Oh right on, I'm close to Gen X age, I've just never heard it referred to that way.
 Unfortunately the "Bluetooth File Transfer" app in the Open Store is built only for armhf.  And UBsync is armhf only right now too
 @drym4rch0n [Oh right on, I'm close to Gen X age, I've just never heard it referred to that w …], maybe it's an east coast term - I grew up in Maryland
 @TotalSonic [maybe it's an east coast term - I grew up in Maryland], Right on
 @drym4rch0n [Right on], Maybe the Wifi Transfer app will work for you?  https://open-store.io/app/wifitransfer.costa
 I just keep a folder in my NextCloud with all the stuff I need to set up my phone with (contacts, clicks for webapps that aren't in the Open Store, wallpapers, etc.)
 @TotalSonic [Maybe the Wifi Transfer app will work for you?  https://open-store.io/app/wifitr …], That did work, thanks. … I use DropBox for that but it seems that may not be an option unless I just access it through the browser.
 @drym4rch0n [That did work, thanks. … I use DropBox for that but it seems that may not be an o …], Yeah - for DropBox you either need Morph or a webapp.  NextCloud there are either webapps or app clients like GhostCloud as well.
 Is the lack of mms the same issue as VoLTE?
 @TotalSonic [maybe it's an east coast term - I grew up in Maryland], because you would hide the media in your high top sneakers ( shoes, referred as that because the rubber was more quiet)
 @mateosalta [because you would hide the media in your high top sneakers ( shoes, referred as …], Or more likely because you would "beat feet" from one spot to the next, while wearing high top sneakers (Converse black "Chucks" being the preferred nerd brand).
 @mateosalta [because you would hide the media in your high top sneakers ( shoes, referred as …], [Edit] Or more likely because you would "beat feet" from one spot to the next, while wearing high top sneakers (Converse black "Chucks" being the preferred cool nerd brand).
 I have a pair of those :)
 @mateosalta [I have a pair of those :)], cuz u r cool ;)
 I still wear Chucks. And docs.
[01:51] <tr4ck3ur> hey guys, same subject i guess, the bluetooth audio quality seems bad with the audio car.. how to improve this ?
 @tr4ck3ur [hey guys, same subject i guess, the bluetooth audio quality seems bad with the a …], this has been an ongoing problem with UT unfortunately
[01:52] <tr4ck3ur> UT ?
 @drym4rch0n [I still wear Chucks. And docs.], cool nerds unite!  lol
 @tr4ck3ur [UT ?], Ubuntu Touch
[01:52] <tr4ck3ur> ah ok
 @tr4ck3ur [ah ok], what device and what OS channel are you on?
[01:53] <tr4ck3ur> nexus 5, UT
[01:53] <tr4ck3ur> and stable
[01:54] <tr4ck3ur> sme with nexus 4 btw
[01:54] <tr4ck3ur> same*
[01:57] <tr4ck3ur> will try with bq Aquarius 4.5, but an old nokia express music (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_5310) works fine
 Latest scoop on the T-Mobile 3G issue. T-Mobile blinked...  https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/02/05/t-mobile-3g-shutdown-reportedly-delayed-until-2022/
 @rocket2nfinity [Latest scoop on the T-Mobile 3G issue. T-Mobile blinked...  https://www.androidp …], good news for us!
[02:00] <tr4ck3ur> +1
 So their IoT providers said "wait a minute"
 Smart vending machines don't need 5G
 Yep. That was the "technical issue" preventing shutdown
 @UniversalSuperBox [So their IoT providers said "wait a minute"], yup - those would be the ones with some actual muscle on the issue - it's not like one guy among millions complaining that their OnePlus One running UT might not work anymore was going to convince them.
[02:05] <tr4ck3ur> really fun, in my mind we are still in contribute mode, then i expect to get the "where" it's handled
[02:06] <tr4ck3ur> in the code i mean
[02:09] <tr4ck3ur> the fact is, i love the fact it's open, is there any technical poc ?
[02:10] <tr4ck3ur> ok, it's a bit specific on hardware on this part
[02:14] <ubptgbot> Oddbrother was added by: Oddbrother
 Hello! Nice to meet you. Nexus 5 UT user here.
[02:24] <tr4ck3ur> sure, i really love UT, i promote it a lot
[02:25] <tr4ck3ur> and, let's say we all would need to pass the next release to keep the project "alive" (in my mind)
 @rocket2nfinity [Latest scoop on the T-Mobile 3G issue. T-Mobile blinked...  https://www.androidp …], yay, so I get calls for 2 years then
 @UniversalSuperBox [So their IoT providers said "wait a minute"], I've seen a pallet wraping maching that had a generic tablet as it's interface, and a simcard for all it's diagnostic needs
 Maybe this will change AT&Ts stance. They originally said they'd whitelist any device capable of 4G VoLTE. But then they changed that
 @rocket2nfinity [Maybe this will change AT&Ts stance. They originally said they'd whitelist any d …], AT&T has a long history of telling it's customers to eat dog doo-doo and like it.  Why would they want to mess up that flawless record of low grade mediocrity now?
 A fair point. I wouldn't even mess with AT&T if it wasn't the only network in an area I visit
 @rocket2nfinity [A fair point. I wouldn't even mess with AT&T if it wasn't the only network in an …], Yeah, unfortunately all the other carriers and ISP's have put the bar so low that in many areas  AT&T still can look like the lesser of two evils option in comparison.
 It's just ridiculous that for a nation like the USA we are down to just 2 carrier options for GSM.
 I did read, that a person is still getting AT&T VoLTE service via Straightalk on their Pinephone. Maybe they are like US Mobile who doesn't care if you swap sims
 @rocket2nfinity [I did read, that a person is still getting AT&T VoLTE service via Straightalk on …], Yeah, getting into the network via a subsidiary might be the way around these things.  Or maybe not - kind of a gamble.
 Unless you live in a baby bell area.
 A gamble you might want to try on your beloved Volla
 Red Pocket could be a nice option in addition to Straight talk
 @rocket2nfinity [A gamble you might want to try on your beloved Volla], Well, if I can get clear calls on my Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 using the version 10 GSI (like noted by another user in thread above) then I might use that for my UT daily drive on T-mobile.  In which case I might sell my Volla, haven't decided yet.
 @drym4rch0n [I honestly don't remember. I downloaded it last week somewhere.], was that Xiaomi stock 10.2.8 rom a tgz file that you used Fastboot to install?  Or did you find a global zip version of the image and use TWRP to install it?
 I keep looking at the One plus 6T. Hoping it's build matures a bit
 @rocket2nfinity [A gamble you might want to try on your beloved Volla], [Edit] Well, if I can get clear calls on my Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 using the version 10 GSI (like noted by another user in thread above) then I might use that for my UT daily driver on T-mobile.  In which case I might sell my Volla, haven't decided yet.
 @rocket2nfinity [I keep looking at the One plus 6T. Hoping it's build matures a bit], My wifey has a OnePlus 7t - it's a really nice device. OnePlus generally makes really good hardware
 The devil is in the drivers. I repair phones. So many I have to recycle because of no support. It's very frustrating and sad
 @rocket2nfinity [The devil is in the drivers. I repair phones. So many I have to recycle because …], Yeah - it's ridiculous - a lot of that hardware could be kept out of landfills simply if the binary blobs were made public.
 @TotalSonic [was that Xiaomi stock 10.2.8 rom a tgz file that you used Fastboot to install? …], Global zip, twrp
 @rocket2nfinity [I keep looking at the One plus 6T. Hoping it's build matures a bit], Caleb is the one porting the 6t. I'm also very excited for that port. Love OnePlus phones. On Tuesday I mailed him a OnePlus 7 Pro for him to port UT based on android 10. Gonna be awhile, but hopefully that works out too.
 @drym4rch0n [Global zip, twrp], ok, thanks
 Just got some screenburn. Ubports overflow title and some keys are visible on black screen now.
 @drym4rch0n [Just got some screenburn. Ubports overflow title and some keys are visible on bl …], that's strange - I haven't seen anything like that in years
 eariler types of oled really burn in bad i think
 @TotalSonic [that's strange - I haven't seen anything like that in years], I've never had it happen
 @mateosalta [eariler types of oled really burn in bad i think], this is a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7
 @drym4rch0n [this is a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7], That's due to bad quality lcd screens that xiaomi uses. Ub ports nothing to do with. Even stock rom miui users too face this issue
 @drym4rch0n [this is a Xiaomi Redmi Note 7], [Edit] That's due to bad quality lcd screens that xiaomi uses. Ub ports has nothing to do with. Even stock rom miui users too face this issue
 @Bharatwaj.S [That's due to bad quality lcd screens that xiaomi uses. Ub ports has nothing to …], I wasn't blaming UT. just shocked how quick it burned in.
 @Bharatwaj.S [That's due to bad quality lcd screens that xiaomi uses. Ub ports has nothing to …], it's a seriously full featured device available for relatively little cash - so I figured they had to have cut some corner somewhere
 @drym4rch0n [I wasn't blaming UT. just shocked how quick it burned in.], I have three xiaomi devices mi max 2, redmi note 4 and mi a1 all of them have screen burn after a year.
 What do yall use to stream music on UT? I can't get Pandora to work through the browser.
 @Bharatwaj.S [I have three xiaomi devices mi max 2, redmi note 4 and mi a1 all of them have sc …], I have a Redmi Note 4 for almost three years and it's working properly. However, sometimes touch stops working, then I block it and it comes back. My boyfriend's brother had the same model and the screen crashed when it fell.
 @drym4rch0n [What do yall use to stream music on UT? I can't get Pandora to work through the …], The CloudMusic app is very good - https://open-store.io/app/apu.johangm90
 @drym4rch0n [What do yall use to stream music on UT? I can't get Pandora to work through the …], Also Deezer via UTeezer webapp - https://open-store.io/app/uteezer.tafitson
 Radio Record is also a good one - https://open-store.io/app/radiorecordapp.anenash
 And Slacker Radio - https://open-store.io/app/slackerradiout.totalsonic
 There is a beta for a Spotify client (works only for Premium accounts) at https://gitlab.com/frenchutouch/futify
 @TotalSonic [There is a beta for a Spotify client (works only for Premium accounts) at https: …], click for arm64 at https://gitlab.com/frenchutouch/futify/-/jobs/596373586/artifacts/file/build/aarch64-linux-gnu/app/futify.frenchutouch_1.0.0_arm64.click
 I won't use Spotify. Google owns them. But I'll check out those others. I wish Pandora was an option as thats what I have a subscription to. I wonder why it won't work in the browser? Does on android. … Really happy with this setup though, UT is pretty awesome.  Google owns them. But I'll check out those others. I wish P …], Spotify is a Swedish corporation, they are not owned by Google.  Regardless, I don't particularly like Spotify's ethics as a company though.  Anyway - there was a webapp made for Pandora that I beta tested that used to work well a couple y
[04:48] <ubptgbot> ears ago, but then Pandora changed something in their streaming and it just crashes now.
 https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/04/01/google-alphabet-spotify-acquisition/
 Google bought them in 2019. And their ethics align perfectly with Googles.
 Nope - that was an April Fools joke - https://www.edmsauce.com/2017/04/03/google-acquiring-spotify/
 A month later and Spotify was part of a law suit against Google in fact - https://appleinsider.com/articles/17/05/05/spotify-others-file-eu-complaint-over-apple-and-google-app-store-practices
 No kidding? I've been avoiding them ever since I heard Google bought them, lol. Although due to their latest patent I won't be joining anyways.
 I realize that I am taking this way off topic though - we should move this talk to the Overflow group .
 @drym4rch0n [No kidding? I've been avoiding them ever since I heard Google bought them, lol. …], Don't worry - Spotify's ethics do suck, in many ways sometimes worse than Googles - so avoiding them is still all good I think.
 @TotalSonic [I realize that I am taking this way off topic though - we should move this talk …], Thats my bad, I brought up Google. … I'll check out those other UT streaming apps though.
 I agree it would be nice if there was a way  to receive Pandora and Tidal on UT though.  But there definitely are still options available.
 One thing - for webapp based music streaming - you usually need to install the UT Tweak Tool, and then choose the app in it and click the option to not allow it to suspend, otherwise the audio will get interrupted.  https://open-store.io/app/ut-tweak-tool.sverzegnassi
 @TotalSonic [One thing - for webapp based music streaming - you usually need to install the U …], Good to know, already have it installed but didn't know what that feature was for.
 Did you get it working on your note yet?
 @drym4rch0n [Did you get it working on your note yet?], Will try and get to that late tonight.  Or maybe tomorrow night.
 @TotalSonic [Will try and get to that late tonight.  Or maybe tomorrow night.], right on
 @drym4rch0n [right on], One other possibility for Pandora that I haven't tested in a while - is to install "Pithos" in a Libertine container.  It used to work, not sure about it now.
 @TotalSonic [One other possibility for Pandora that I haven't tested in a while - is to insta …], I'll check it out. Do you know if lomiri works with the note 7?
 @drym4rch0n [I'll check it out.  I need to order a docking cable...
 @drym4rch0n [I'll check it out. Do you know if lomiri works with the note 7?], Libertine is the container to allow you to use x11 desktop apps in UT - I haven't tested it for the Redmi Note 7 yet.
 gotchya
 @drym4rch0n [so it will dock and become a desktop? I need to order a docking cable...], Not sure if it will work via Slimport at all.  Android 9 based devices don't seem to have support for wireless external display though.
 @TotalSonic It is now echoing in calls. Double checked on my wifes phone who claimed it was echoing and I could hear it very faintly. She claims she didn't notice. On my phone it's more obvious.
 @drym4rch0n [@TotalSonic It is now echoing in calls. Double checked on my wifes phone who cla …], oh well. Guess I will keep it on Lineage after all :(
 Hello everyone, I wanted to ask, does anyone know how to disable the splash screen when the system boots? And then I really like it when the system, when loading, displays a log at startup, you can catch errors like this (android, for example, to me, too, with a disabled screensaver and a log instead of a screensaver)
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hello everyone, I wanted to ask, does anyone know how to disable the splash scre …], +1
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hello everyone, I wanted to ask, does anyone know how to disable the splash scre …], there is currently no way of disabling the splash screen at start up that I am aware of.
 you can capture logs with the Log Viewer app though
 @TotalSonic [there is currently no way of disabling the splash screen at start up that I am a …], (I hope in the next major update some way will appear ... otherwise this is Linux and from this it is sad that you cannot do something with the system)
 might be something that Lomiri should support?
 @TotalSonic [you can capture logs with the Log Viewer app though], Well, this is not true ... True, for me, these logs at startup are still an aesthetic pleasure, like many who have contacted Linux
 @TotalSonic [you can capture logs with the Log Viewer app though], [Edit] Well, this is true ... True, for me, these logs at startup are still an aesthetic pleasure, like many who have contacted Linux
 @Javacookies [might be something that Lomiri should support?], If you are talking about splash, then Lomiri is not responsible for this, because the x server is launched last and the splash, on the contrary, is the first
 @TotalSonic [There is a beta for a Spotify client (works only for Premium accounts) at https: …], I didn't know about this. I'll test it when I get my new device, but whether or not it's up to par, I will also be trying to write up my guide (call it the quintessential case of "third time lucky") to straightforwardly install Tizonia
[06:20] <ubptgbot> the command line client for Spotify and other music streaming services.
 @TotalSonic [There is a beta for a Spotify client (works only for Premium accounts) at https: …], [Edit] I didn't know about this. I'll test it when I get my new device, but whether or not it's up to par, I will also be trying to write up my guide (call it the quintessential case of "third time lucky") to straightforwardly install T
[06:22] <ubptgbot> izonia the command line client for Spotify and other music streaming services (inside Libertine).
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [(I hope in the next major update some way will appear ... otherwise this is Linu …], the next major update will most likely not contain this - OTA-16 is mainly about the upgrade to QT5.12 and the removal of Oxide. But if you or someone else coded it maybe it could go into OTA-17
 well first someone has to log a feature request for that … though I don't think it'll be priority since it's mainly for developers
 I can just say that it's not trivial since text console is disabled and often broken on most Android devices
[06:43] <ubptgbot> TheC0d3 was added by: TheC0d3
 How do you launch something installed with libertine?
 Never mind. A reboot put it in the app menu.
[06:59] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> the icon appears with the others
[06:59] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> refresh the app menu by scrolling down
 Has anyone here successfully installed Firefox? I read an old forum post where someone said it worked for them but it hist crashes for me.
 @I am Me [refresh the app menu by scrolling down], Didn't know that, thank you
[07:01] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> time to time I have icons in double (from anbox) I scroll down and it refreash the list and remove the double
[07:01] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> no firefox inside libertine does not work
[07:01] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> blanck page and/or crash for me
 Bummer
[07:05] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> same for chromium lol
[07:05] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> madori works for me
[07:05] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> [Edit] midori works for me
 Have you tried signal by chance?
 https://live.fosdem.org/watch/kfosdem
[07:11] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> you can try axolotl from the openstore for signal
 @I am Me [you can try axolotl from the openstore for signal], Yeah but it says it will deactivate my number from my account and setup a new one. Trying to avoid that.
[07:12] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> you cannot
[07:13] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> the only way is to use the desktop app but it is only for windows afaik
[07:13] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> you cannot have signal on 2 phones
[07:13] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> it is a signal limitation
 @I am Me [the only way is to use the desktop app but it is only for windows afaik], Signal-desktop is available for linux with a PPA or in the snapstore.
[07:20] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> I did not know...
[07:20] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> so if there is a ARM version you can try on Libertine
 Thats what I want to do, use signal desktop like I do on my Linux desktop.
 Not sure if it works on libertine... Ans the desktop app is not a fully implemented client. You should run first the client in iOS or android or UT with axolotl.
[07:27] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop/issues/3410
[07:27] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> it looks complicated
[07:27] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> even without speaking of libertine
 @drym4rch0n [Has anyone here successfully installed Firefox? I read an old forum post where s …], There seems to be an issue on arm64 devices with Firefox 84 currently.  I was able to use it on my Meizu Pro 5 though.
[08:25] <ubptgbot> Incumber_1805 was added by: Incumber_1805
 @I am Me [even without speaking of libertine], That s why the axolotl devs are working hard 🙂
 @drym4rch0n [I won't use Spotify. Google owns them. But I'll check out those others. I wish P …], there was one, maybe i will see if it builds/works still
 oh, it should still work, maybe I will maintain it :)
 (Photo, 705x624) https://irc.ubports.com/1Ae68iZK.png
 needs some color theme work, but should be good :)
[09:30] <ubptgbot> Aga was added by: Aga
 Hello everyone 😊
 😱wооооw! Ḿuusk annоunded aidrop! To the moooооn🚀🚀🚀 https://bit.ly/2MCIUdO
 @mateosalta [oh, it should still work, maybe I will maintain it :)], That would be great if you have time for that.
 @PiecerEdd [i know a guy who's been trying to get that to work... he's been struggling!], The most difficult part for me was to shot the qrcode with the Webcam of the computer I used for AVD setup :)This guide helped : https://github.com/tulir/mautrix-whatsapp/wiki/Android-VM-Setup
 @Oliv4945 [The most difficult part for me was to shot the qrcode with the Webcam of the com …], cool, i think the person i know was specifically struggling with his setup because his server's 100% headless so he's no way to use the gui to configuure it all but i will fire over the link either way 😁 thanks!
 It is also my case, but setup everything localy then rsync the AVD files to the server :)
 hi there
 I have installed an android app but it's not in my menu, what can I do?
 NB: I did a refresh not visible anyway
 can I launch it in command line?
 This appli is visible in app settings but it's not possible to launch appications there
 @TotalSonic [That would be great if you have time for that.], its an all qml/js app, the core of it still works great :)
 @drym4rch0n [Yeah but it says it will deactivate my number from my account and setup a new on …], You can have one mobile device + one desktop with Signal. So Axolotl on UT + desktop Signal on Ubuntu desktop, with one account, synched
[11:07] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @humbl3one [hi. (noob question) i was just trying to install UT from UBports on my Redmi Not …], You need to register a mi account download mi flash to unlock the phone
 You cannot have 2x mobile or 2x desktop
 Fwd from By brian All rights reserved: Thanks one question does volla support hdmi out to monitor for convergence like nexus 5
 @arthurabdulin [Thanks one question does volla support hdmi out to monitor for convergence like …], By brian
 I don't think it did?
 no, not seeing anything on it
[11:14] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> @drym4rch0n [So I used TWRP, reflashed the stock rom (v<IP_ADDRESS>) because I was on Lineage 17. …], I’ve tried 9 and 10 works fine even fingerprint scanner works just no updates going forward
 @arthurabdulin [Thanks one question does volla support hdmi out to monitor for convergence like …], hm, maybe, seeing some specs list displayport out
 i will have to try - it would still need drivers implemented even if it has the hardware
 @arthurabdulin [Thanks one question does volla support hdmi out to monitor for convergence like …], nope, was looking at the wrong page, I think it doesn't have displayport
 @TotalSonic [That would be great if you have time for that.], ooo, it already has the mediahub going on it
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/BzBe06n0.png
 @arthurabdulin [Thanks one question does volla support hdmi out to monitor for convergence like …], Pro (X) 1 is new and maybe what you are looking for if you have $$$
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], Hey, charge that battery 😂
 it goes quite some time on 5% ;)
 but for some reason the xperia preformance doesn't show the charging indication
 so is actually plugged in and charging :0
 Hi! Is it possible install anbox on bq M10?
 Hi! Is it possible to install anbox on bq M10?
 hm, I think it was
 @JyotiGomes [Hi! Is it possible to install anbox on bq M10?], Whether yes or no, Anbox is severely broken and not suitable for practical use. Fancy a battery that lasts 1.5 hours??
 Ok
 yeah more of a tech demo to get developers intrested :)
 @mateosalta [yeah more of a tech demo to get developers intrested :)], Exactly
 🙂
 @JyotiGomes [Ok], If you are an Android tech, please volunteer!
 @Stereofont [If you are an Android tech, please volunteer!], Unfortunately, I'm not
 I believe they are even looking to pay a developer with the right android/linux skills to develop it
 so a real job opportunity for the right person :)
 @mateosalta [I believe they are even looking to pay a developer with the right android/linux …], We are looking but it seems impossible to find one ;)
 yeah, the right person might not be out there...
 re-theming is going nice, will be up in the store in no time
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/hFtXLBTp.png
 Is there a place where I can see the current availability of apps and processes that UT offers as of now?
 @Cerealesgratis [Is there a place where I can see the current availability of apps and processes …], OpenStore us accessible from the web without a UT device
 @Cerealesgratis [Is there a place where I can see the current availability of apps and processes …], [Edit] OpenStore is accessible from the web without a UT device
 https://open-store.io/
 @Cerealesgratis [Is there a place where I can see the current availability of apps and processes …], Email = Dekko, Teleports = Telegram, Axolotl = Signal
 See also FluffyChat for Matrix
 Now cross-platform
 @Oliv4945 [It is also my case, but setup everything localy then rsync the AVD files to the …], ha,thats one way of working round it
 quite a nice app, sad to see it not in the store, must have been left behind in the 16.04 transition
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/d8LZ0x6O.png
 what kind of app is it?
 pandora client, native qml with mediahub
 I see, not much familiar with pandora but it does look good and functional
 only thing it would really be missing is managment of the stations
 and account creation
 it just sucks that every upgrade (Qt, Ubuntu base, etc.) in the system is important but it also means that some unmaintained apps may be broken and/or uninstallable.
 many didn't even have anything really broken but they were just never updated and got pulled with the rest
 oh, looks like it has the methods for creating and deleting stations
 just not exposed in ui yet
 I might be able to add those :)
 maybe just add a weblink to create a user
[12:17] <ubptgbot> Shou was added by: Shou
 Which phone is preferable for running ubuntu touch, redmi note 7 aka lavender or redmi note 8 Aka ginkgo? And which one can run anbox ?
 @Emp3r0rSh [Which phone is preferable for running ubuntu touch, redmi note 7 aka lavender or …], Anbox is in very alpha stage at the moment, it is not usable for most use cases
 @thisisthethirdshoukosaccount [Anbox is in very alpha stage at the moment, it is not usable for most use cases], Thanks
[12:37] <ubptgbot> mario_goulart was added by: mario_goulart
 and it's up
 https://open-store.io/app/mateo-salta.panpipe
 that was fast
 good job!
 oh it needs an account 😅
 and Pandora isn't available in my country 😞
 they are free, that is nex on list to add login
 @Javacookies [and Pandora isn't available in my country 😞], oh forgot about that, they are quite limited in that
 so basically, pandora is for free music and podcasts?
 it is like a music mix
 https://www.pandora.com/about/mgp
 the channels you make are seeded with a song or band - then you thumbs up/down and it "learns" the muisic you like
 so in the past they would even make notes about what style of drums, or things like that
 mine be like: … kick hat snare hat kick hat snare hat kick hat snare hat kick hat snare hat
 was a lot cooler when it started out...
 :)
 with wub wub wub wub over the top
 can you guess which genre yet?
 drum and bass?
 so yay, US only still :/
 wonder if you can specify a vpn in qml ;)
[13:22] <ubptgbot> MrSenshi was added by: MrSenshi
 Hello Everyone!
 I'm just curious, is there any reason in particular restricting the progress that has been made on device support in UBports from reaching PostMarketOS
 I'm using a OnePlus Three and it seems support is much more advanced in UBports than PostMarketOS, and I'm wondering why there is a discrepancy
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [If you are talking about splash, then Lomiri is not responsible for this, becaus …], lomiri doesn't use x tho, if with "splash screen" you mean the moving dots one, that indeed lomiri
 @MrSenshi [I'm using a OnePlus Three and it seems support is much more advanced in UBports …], I don't think that's how it works, pmOS would have to do their work themselves. If no one from pmOS is interested to take our stuff then there's not much to be done
 @MrSenshi [I'm using a OnePlus Three and it seems support is much more advanced in UBports …], Postmarketos runs mainline Linux. Ubports uses existing android drivers
 @MrSenshi [I'm using a OnePlus Three and it seems support is much more advanced in UBports …], very diffrent goals and areas of concentration
 @Nicktl [Postmarketos runs mainline Linux. Ubports uses existing android drivers], As I understand it, they try to mainline but also do allow you to use downstream kernels if mainline is not ready, they're not reporting any support for WiFi in any capacity.
 @MrSenshi [As I understand it, they try to mainline but also do allow you to use downstream …], They do have a downstream with patches not yet accepted in mainline
 They only support wifi if there is an opensource driver available
 They do use restricted firmware though
 i mean patched downstream kernel ≠ using android drivers
 Man
 The moment GPS works I may switch to it
 [Edit] The moment GPS works I may switch to UT
 I guess I will lose all of my games tho
 Alright, admittedly this is probably a silly question, but is there any reason why I can't use this OS without the Ubuntu Touch interface? I understand that this project tries to keep the Ubuntu Touch interface alive but if I wanted to use something else, would that create issues?
 because that's a different project
 and well android doesn't handle graphics in the same way as the desktop
 so whatever interface you want will need to be adapted to work with android hardware
 [Edit] the short answer is because that's a different project
 [Edit] the long answer is well android doesn't handle graphics in the same way as the desktop
 also ubuntu touch uses an image based system, which means your rootfs is replaced when you update
 supporting another interface means maintaining another rootfs which in practice means another os
[14:02] <ubptgbot> haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa was added by: haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa
 @Emp3r0rSh [Which phone is preferable for running ubuntu touch, redmi note 7 aka lavender or …], Hi, I am using Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 and UT works pretty well on it. However I didn't add here Anbox
 anbox is not worth to use imo
 @Aga [Hi, I am using Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 and UT works pretty well on it. However I did …], Could you verify if it's working or not?
 @MrSenshi [Alright, admittedly this is probably a silly question, but is there any reason w …], simple answer is that UT is not a traditional linux desktop
 Probably I could, however I switched to UT to leave Android. Question is if adding Anbox to UT worth it. In my opinion, not really. 😉
 i so want ut on a desktop tho
 @Fuseteam [i so want ut on a desktop tho], wait for 20.04 base and wayland 😄
 What do you expect from UT itself? Maybe I can tell you what is working good on this phone version and what not the best, as this may differ between phones.
 @Javacookies [wait for 20.04 base and wayland 😄], but i can't 😂😂😂
 @Fuseteam [but i can't 😂😂😂], Help make it happen then.
 @alan_griffiths [Help make it happen then.], i would love to but i have no idea where to start
 i suppose getting an hdd/sdd to work with, would be a good start
 [Edit] i suppose getting an hdd/sdd to work with, would be a good start, after that i'll need to figure out how to proceed from there
 hi, i have ubports installed on my pinephone. i seem to be unable to connect to any accounts. the wheel just spins.
 anybody no how to fix this?
 @g0dpup [anybody no how to fix this?], A good idea to join … https://t.me/utonpine
 ok
 thx
 More specific there
[14:57] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> My browser cannot save images, I have a permission denied. Any idea where I can allow to acccess my storage?
 @Emp3r0rSh [Which phone is preferable for running ubuntu touch, redmi note 7 aka lavender or …], Lavender can be installed with the UBports installer or via GSI. It has a few bugs (echoing on receiver's end in phone calls, no video recording, occasional lag when closing apps) but is mostly working. The Note 8 has yet to be ported.
 @mateosalta [https://open-store.io/app/mateo-salta.panpipe], Nice work! Thanks for this
 That's true, on Redmi Note 7 some echoing is available during calls, however while using headphones it disappears 😊 … Question is about Bluetooth on this device 🤔 What I mean, it is visible in settings, but does not recognize any device to pair. Is this normal at this point, or my device is playing tricks on me. Do you know?
 oh wait, there IS whatsapp
 whatsapp web
 Heard there wasn't any
 You depend on running WhatsApp on Android / Anbox.
 Yes, it's a webapp, that lets you connect via whatsapp web as you would with a web browser, but contained . You still need a native whatsapp app running on othwr device
 I have an android phone running whatsapp (as if it was a server), and use whatsweb on UT
[16:28] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> Whatsapp works well on Anbox.
[16:29] <ubptgbot> <S̶̡͎̭̜̖̏̌͌̏͌̍͐̇̽̔́͘̚͠ ͔̮> What is the intention of running ubports then when besides using services of facefook, google and co.?
[16:33] <ubptgbot> <S̶̡͎̭̜̖̏̌͌̏͌̍͐̇̽̔́͘̚͠ ͔̮> [Edit] What is the intention of running ubports then when using services of facefook, google and co.?
 @I am Me [Whatsapp works well on Anbox.], Without hardware access
[16:34] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> ??
 WhatsApp inside Anbox can't use camera or microphone
[16:36] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> Oh yes
[16:36] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> You are right
[16:36] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> Why don't UT just have one good app or 2nd best app from every sector. To make it daily user os!
[16:37] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> Even when small basic phone have default apps like :- kaios?
[16:37] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> lol
 @haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa [Why don't UT just have one good app or 2nd best app from every sector. To make i …], because app support depends on the companies that makes them … KaiOS is the 3rd mobile OS in the market and funded by Google so it has more power to attract companies to create apps for them … Sadly that's n
[16:42] <ubptgbot> ot how it is on other mobile OSes
 but in some way that's a good thing, you'll get back to your life and use your phone less since it doesn't have much apps anyway 😆
[16:43] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> Hopefully a lot apps support web.
 That is true. Thanks to UT phone becames phone again 😇
[16:49] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> Because i am buying fairphone with extra batteries. And want to keep it for next 4-5 yrs but want to have on ubuntu touch forever.
[16:49] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> And wants to force my relatives too on it.
[16:51] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> And why not Huawei use these os rather than making skin for android and caling it own's.  … Its just so sad..
[16:52] <caliel> good morning #ubports (UGT)
 Because their customers use Android and expect to Android apps
 [Edit] Because their customers use Android and expect to use Android apps
 They will not choose an operating system with little market.
 the sad reality is that 99% of people in the world are not ready to use alternative mobile OSes. People can't accept compromises and sacrifices that comes with them. Luckily, we are part of the 1% that would hopefully move forward the development of these alternatives so that one day those 99% don't have much reasons not to try the al
[16:55] <ubptgbot> ternatives 😄
 @haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa [Even when small basic phone have default apps like :- kaios?], i mean kaios had 100M users by the time whatsapp decided to support them
 tbh if huawei ports their apps to ubuntu touch and make their devs move to it, that would work. but i doubt they want to invest into that :p
 [Edit] tbh if huawei ports their apps to ubuntu touch and make their devs move to it, that could work. but i doubt they want to invest that much into that :p
[17:15] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> @mimecar [Because their customers use Android and expect to use Android apps], Actually, majority of Chinese user want to use ios looking os!!😅
[17:16] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> @mimecar [They will not choose an operating system with little market.], But this thing have potential in future as there is a momentum among masses for anti-google, Facebook and apple.
[17:17] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> And soon ubuntu os and jolla other can because overnight success like :- signal and Telegram
[17:17] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> @Javacookies [the sad reality is that 99% of people in the world are not ready to use alternat …], Amen to that
[17:17] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> @Fuseteam [i mean kaios had 100M users by the time whatsapp decided to support them], And soon 100m user will leave WhatsApp
[17:18] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> @Fuseteam [tbh if huawei ports their apps to ubuntu touch and make their devs move to it, t …], That would be so awesome, Amazing hardware and open sourced software. They will regain confident of masses too.
 @haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa [But this thing have potential in future as there is a momentum among masses for …], These people will be looking for alternative applications, and right now Ubuntu Touch is limited in the number of applications.
[17:21] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> True!!
[17:21] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> Can i port Ubuntu touch on s10?
 A very large increase in users would also be a problem. Ubuntu Touch resources are limited.
 For those who have not tried it, Matrix is pretty nice
 30 years later and desktop GNU Linux only makes up 1.8% of the market but you can do anything on it. Maybe linux mobile never needs to be that big to be successful.
[17:27] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> @mimecar [A very large increase in users would also be a problem. Ubuntu Touch resources a …], Its like möbius strip😅
 @haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa [But this thing have potential in future as there is a momentum among masses for …], sure but that still means companies to support porting those apps, the signal and telegram clients are opensource and as such are available on ubuntu touch, what apps are you looking for anyway?
 @drym4rch0n [30 years later and desktop GNU Linux only makes up 1.8% of the market but you ca …], tbh the reason desktop linux is not that popular is due to the missing programs, only 60k packages compared to millions on the mainstream ones. the vendors don't support linux because traditional packages to too expensive to develop in their
[17:32] <ubptgbot>  eyes compared to other oses, and the closest package format that could help with that is being hammered by a loud minority that vendors don't care too much for it yet. ubuntu touch has the advantage that the way to develop for it is not that different from android, sans the different tooling and language
[17:33] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> @drym4rch0n [30 years later and desktop GNU Linux only makes up 1.8% of the market but you ca …], True
 @drym4rch0n [30 years later and desktop GNU Linux only makes up 1.8% of the market but you ca …], Problem is hardware. PCs are there and Linux can be installed. Mobile devices? Erm well yes we see the issues. And big vendors dont seem to open up, rahter the opposite
 @Fuseteam [tbh the reason desktop linux is not that popular is due to the missing programs, …], Even better then. I don't think UT would ever have to make up even 10% of the market to feel super successful and be fun and easy to use. And while lots of major brands wont build for Linux (looking at you Adobe) there are still large groups
[17:36] <ubptgbot>  that due. I know 15 years ago I would have never thought we would see Steam on Linux.
 @Flohack [Problem is hardware. PCs are there and Linux can be installed. Mobile devices? E …], I was only talking in context to future apps for UT. What you're mentioning is the problem blocking it from getting to the point where it can take off and people WILL build apps for it. Definitely a huge issue though.
 To attract programmers you would need your application to work with some changes to Android and Ubuntu Touch.
 If you depend on specific Ubuntu Touch developments, things get complicated.
 OS and Android app developers build paps to make money. What could be revenue to build FOS app for UT? What could motivate them?
 You can charge for an application, it is not mandatory to release the code.
[17:52] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> @mimecar [You can charge for an application, it is not mandatory to release the code.], Of course they should monetary benefits... User pay if they like :- Netflix or Spotify.
[17:52] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> Yeah! Sudden increase on stream and Chromebook in recent times.
 @arthurabdulin [OS and Android app developers build paps to make money. What could be revenue to …], Adblockers are put front and center on the ubports store :~
 @mimecar [You can charge for an application, it is not mandatory to release the code.], Yeah I gree, to make an ecosystem on UT also paid apps need to be allowed
 @arthurabdulin [OS and Android app developers build paps to make money. What could be revenue to …], So do most Apple  and Windows developers but GNU/Linux is still useable with lots of people helping, UT would most likely be the same.  Can't see Volla Phone in the supported devices. Is it correct or document page is outdated? … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 @arthurabdulin [Can you run Anbox on UT?], you can yes
 check on devices.ubports.com if you can
 @drym4rch0n [Even better then. I don't think UT would ever have to make up even 10% of the ma …], again big brands like adobe don't develop for linux because it costs more than developing for windows, valve develops for linux because they are willing to build the needed tooling but this is becoming off topic
 @arthurabdulin [OS and Android app developers build paps to make money. What could be revenue to …], there's nothing keeping you from publishing a proprietary app
 Is there a specific group for help with libertine?
 @Flohack [Yeah I gree, to make an ecosystem on UT also paid apps need to be allowed], allowing paid apps and no cut taken maybe? xD
 @arthurabdulin [Found it! Can't see Volla Phone in the supported devices. Is it correct or docum …], no volla doesn't support anbox yet
 @drym4rch0n [Is there a specific group for help with libertine?], here's fine
 @Fuseteam [no volla doesn't support anbox yet], Thanks!!! :)
[18:35] <ubptgbot> Michelangelo was added by: Michelangelo
 @Fuseteam [allowing paid apps and no cut taken maybe? xD], we already allow that
 we just don't allow unconfined proprietary apps
 and we don't provide any way to manage payment or validation of paymnets
 [Edit] and we don't provide any way to manage payment or validation of payments
 @dohbee [and we don't provide any way to manage payment or validation of payments], i mean they can't pay for apps in the openstore right?
 its times like this i wish nummus.world would hold USD
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [Hello everyone, I wanted to ask, does anyone know how to disable the splash scre …], UT is not a traditional linux distro and phones aren't generic PCs
 yes that's a website its kinda like a peer to peer payment system, all users can be merchants
 @Fuseteam [i mean they can't pay for apps in the openstore right?], you can develop an app, and require payment for its usage, and do the payment handling all in your own app and web site
 open store doesn't do payment processing or validation of whether an app was paid for, no
 you have to do it all yourself; but you can do so and publish the app in openstore
 @dohbee [you can develop an app, and require payment for its usage, and do the payment ha …], so install is free but usage is paid?
 i dunno about that model tbh
 eh? it's a subscription model
 how do you think netflix works? the app is free of course, and you have to pay for subscription from netflix
 or could be one time payment if that's the kind of app you're building
 even windows works this way now. you can go download the ISO for free from MS, then you have to pay for activation after installing
 i guess, but the idea of downloading an app only to it being useless sounds— hmm maybe it isn't as bad when you know its a subscription service
 i mean 90% of the apps in play store are useless
 @dohbee [even windows works this way now. you can go download the ISO for free from MS, t …], yeah but its otherwise "usable" no :p
 @dohbee [i mean 90% of the apps in play store are useless], can't argue with that
 even the ones that don't need a subscription or payment
 tbf, for me, i'd say probably 90% of apps in open store are useless as well
 every app doesn't need to be useful for every user of the platform; only for users of the app
 true that hehe
 speaking of which, i was wondering if a pr to include nummus.world in online accounts would be accepted
 [Edit] speaking of which, i was wondering if a pr to include nummus.world in online accounts in system settings would be accepted
 i don't know what that is
 but you can make a click app for it and include an online account provider
 its a online payment app for suriname, i was more thinking about the online account provider
 i am kinda interested in adding it to the openstore but uh it only holds our local currency
 i don't see how having an online accounts provider for that would make any sense
 Where is
 That page with status for device
 easier to log in as mentioned in the accounts panel in system settings :p
 What works or not
 @#mimov2 [What works or not], devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 if the particular device doesn't have such a section its up to the porter to add it
 @Fuseteam [devices.ubuntu-touch.io], Ok
 @Fuseteam [easier to log in as mentioned in the accounts panel in system settings :p], not any easier than just logging into an app for that service itself. especially since nothing else can really do anything with it (except maybe steal your money i guess)
 like, i wouldn't way a paypal or cashapp or my bank in online accounts either
 Ubports instaler works on Arch?
 @dohbee [like, i wouldn't way a paypal or cashapp or my bank in online accounts either], hmmm fair enough
 @#mimov2 [Ubports instaler works on Arch?], yes it should, there is both a snap and a appimage variant
 @#mimov2 [Ubports instaler works on Arch?], Yes, but the install failed for FP2. It worked on ubuntu, though
 @#mimov2 [Ubports instaler works on Arch?], [Edit] Yes, but the install failed for FP2. It worked on ubuntu, though (my experience)
 @alexander_schoch [Yes, but the install failed for FP2. It worked on ubuntu, though (my experience)], OK tnx
[19:37] <ubptgbot> John was added by: John
 What is the timeout for Fingerprint ID to timeout that prompts for PIN instead? … I noticed that occasionally fingerprint works within acouple of hours, but sometime could be a few minutes. I have to enter PIN to unlock and the Fingerprint ID works again.
 What’s the cheapest device that realistically is supported for day to day use ?
 @John [What’s the cheapest device that realistically is supported for day to day use ?], Nexus 5 or OnePlus One
 Shameless self-plug: Sony Xperia X
 @fredldotme [Shameless self-plug: Sony Xperia X], Is the Xperia X Performance working just as well as the regular X for daily driver use?
 @TotalSonic [Is the Xperia X Performance working just as well as the regular X for daily driv …], I'm just maintaining the normal X, the X Performance is done by Andreas. There are some differences for sure, so I'd consider the normal X to be more daily-driver ready.
 Best to consult the respective forum threads for their compatibility
 @fredldotme [I'm just maintaining the normal X, the X Performance is done by Andreas. There a …], OK, thanks. Clear echo free phone calls is one of my concerns for this.
 I actually bought an Xperia X a bit ago but sadly the one I bought is unable to be unlocked. Reminder that need to sell it
 [Edit] I actually bought an Xperia X a bit ago but sadly the one I bought is unable to be unlocked. A reminder that I need to sell it
 No call echo on the normal X for sure. :)
 @fredldotme [No call echo on the normal X for sure. :)], 👍
 @fredldotme [Best to consult the respective forum threads for their compatibility], Do you think the fixes for camera zoom and flash being done for OnePlus One will also work for Xperia X?
 Better camera experience can be achieved with gst-droid, which doesn't work quite right on 64bit devices atm.
 @TotalSonic [Do you think the fixes for camera zoom and flash being done for OnePlus One will …], Which fixes you are talking about?
 Porting bacon to Halium 7.1 will fix a lot, but thats a different story for any other device
 When gst-droid is ready we will let you know. You'll notice :)
 @John [What’s the cheapest device that realistically is supported for day to day use ?], Volla Phone + UT
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> I have my volla phone as main phone.
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <I am Me> So +1
 @Flohack [Porting bacon to Halium 7.1 will fix a lot, but thats a different story for any …], Is there any way to test the halium 7 image?
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 Hey guys some knows a Channel of channels in english?
 A directory
 @Nicktl [Is there any way to test the halium 7 image?], Yes but if you have a 5.1 port you need to clean up first a bit. IT uses a different file layout. Depending on how much you want to invest to do it :)
 @Flohack [Yes but if you have a 5.1 port you need to clean up first a bit. IT uses a diffe …], I am willing to spend the time building the image myself.
 @Nicktl [I am willing to spend the time building the image myself.], You can follow the usual Halium porting guide to build it, we already merged the sources: https://github.com/Halium/halium-devices/blob/halium-7.1/manifests/oneplus_bacon.xml
[20:53] <ubptgbot> <S̶̡͎̭̜̖̏̌͌̏͌̍͐̇̽̔́͘̚͠ ͔̮> [Edit] What is the intention of running ubports then when using services of facebook, google and co.?
[20:57] <ubptgbot> <S̶̡͎̭̜̖̏̌͌̏͌̍͐̇̽̔́͘̚͠ ͔̮> @haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa [That would be so awesome, Amazing hardware and open sourced software. They will …], Amazing hardware ~ open source hardware?
 @josegp724 [Hey guys some knows a Channel of channels in english?], you want a list of Ubuntu Touch groups? or just general telegram groups?
 (this is definitely not the place to ask for the latter, and i don't think there is a straight list anywhere)
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[21:08] <ubptgbot> <haaahahahahhahhhhaaa Ba Ba Aba Aabbbbaaaa> @S̶̡͎̭̜̖̏̌͌̏͌̍͐̇̽̔́͘̚͠ ͔̮ [Amazing hardware ~ open source hardware?], Open sourced software on Huawei phones
 i need help. I was installing UT with ubports on redmi note 7. eveything was going right. then the process got stuck at "preparing system-image" for like half hour or more. then i did the process again, but it's still preparing. how long does it take? did i break something?
 👍 Look at this https://bit.ly/3pWAWKV … that Еlоn promote the сryptoo! 🚀🚀🚀
 @flaburgan [is anybody here running Signal on Anbox?], Axolotl
 @Stereofont [Axolotl], That's not my question ;)
 just installed UT using ubports on redmi note 7. Mobile data doesn't work. cant import and read sim contacts. can't make phone calls. no proper gestures or buttons for navigation. Can anyone help me with these things? or will they be unresolved, so it's better to replace UT?
 @flaburgan [That's not my question ;)], Sorry. I didn't realise you were aware of the native client 😀
 @Stereofont [Sorry. I didn't realise you were aware of the native client 😀], I am one of the maintainers ;) but I'm looking for feedback about the official Signal client running on UT with Anbox. Apprently it works well on Phosh
 @humbl3one [just installed UT using ubports on redmi note 7. Mobile data doesn't work. cant …], Are you using installer or GSI to install UT? What was flashed on it before you installed UT?
 @Flohack [You can follow the usual Halium porting guide to build it, we already merged the …], It does not boot and i get weird partitions on my phone. Something called coloros driver with an exe file on it
 @TotalSonic [Are you using installer or GSI to install UT? What was flashed on it before you …], i used the installer
 @humbl3one [i used the installer], What was flashed on before? I used the installer and had both phone calls and mobile Dara with no problem
 @humbl3one [i used the installer], [Edit] What was flashed on before? I used the installer and had both phone calls and mobile data with no problem
 @TotalSonic [What was flashed on before? I used the installer and had both phone calls and mo …], umm.. imma bit newbiee. It was my note 7 with miui. I used the ubports and just followed the steps. you have to be more specific for me to understand. sorry
 There are no navigation buttons used in  UT and no plans to add them BTW. Navigation is all gesture based
 @TotalSonic [There are no navigation buttons used in  UT and no plans to add them BTW. Naviga …], navigation's fine. but data and calls
 @humbl3one [umm.. imma bit newbiee. It was my note 7 with miui. I used the ubports and just …], OK, I suggest using ADB to flash TWRP to recovery, wipe data, then flash to fastboot stock Miui image 10.3, then flash Lineage 16.0, and then use installer again to reinstall UT. Sorry it is so complicated.
 @humbl3one [umm.. imma bit newbiee. It was my note 7 with miui. I used the ubports and just …], [Edit] OK, I suggest using ADB to flash TWRP to recovery, wipe data, then flash to fastboot stock Miui image 10.3, wipe data again, then flash Lineage 16.0, and then use installer again to reinstall UT. Sorry it is so complicated.
 Be aware of a big bug where phone calls are echoing on receiver's end. Also video recording is not working yet
 @TotalSonic [OK, I suggest using ADB to flash TWRP to recovery, wipe data, then flash to fast …], i'll have to do these i guess, can't work with a useless device.
 @Nicktl [It does not boot and i get weird partitions on my phone. Something called coloro …], Dont know what you did exactly, to get more informations please PM me all the steps you did
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 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/rLwGsl9e.png I'm trying to install Anbox on a 16GB Nexus 5 (D820) and keep getting these messages. Could anyone please help me understand what's going on?
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/qOezAjc5.png
 apt is not supported. rootfs is read only
 What do I do to fix that?
 UT is not a traditional Linux distro. If you want to install some legacy or CLI apos, use libertine
 And devel channel already has anbox tool
 @dohbee [UT is not a traditional Linux distro. If you want to install some legacy or CLI …], I wasn’t trying to install anything like that. I was trying to get Anbox so I could use an Android app I need for my classes.
 @dohbee [And devel channel already has anbox tool], So if I reflash the phone in the development channel, it’ll already have Anbox installed?
 Anbox is extremely alpha, btw
 @JIHP334 [So if I reflash the phone in the development channel, it’ll already have Anbox i …], The debs needed, yes. You'll need to run the script to set up the image still