[05:20] <metguru> adaptr: i don't understand why its not working
[05:20] <rendered> blaze- not always
[05:20] <rendered> blaze - If I have bad code, no OS will save me
[05:21] <blujay> blazemonger: you might try Debian instead of Ubuntu...you never know
[05:21] <regal> if im in the ubuntu live cd and im repartitioning my windows partition to make space for ubuntu will widnows still work?
[05:21] <rendered> bluejay - note my chans !
[05:21] <rendered> that's where I live normally
[05:21] <rendered> debian
[05:21] <rendered> ubu is neat though
[05:21] <rendered> I like the name, what it means, and the peer support
[05:21] <blazemonger> blujay. ive tried debian
[05:21] <blujay> rendered: yeah, I have Debian on my desktop and Ubuntu on an old laptop
[05:21] <rendered> and - heh, got glade workin'
[05:21] <regal> ???
[05:21] <blazemonger> linux just hates me i guess
[05:21] <blujay> rendered: you have an old 3dfx card?
[05:21] <blazemonger> i truely want to run linux though
[05:21] <rendered> no
[05:22] <blazemonger> i thought it would never crash though
[05:22] <rendered> bluejay - no
[05:22] <regal> ?
[05:22] <regal> ?
[05:22] <regal> ?
[05:22] <blujay> blazemonger: try Debian again...it's updated often
[05:22] <fnord_> never?
[05:22] <blazemonger> testing or stable?
[05:22] <blujay> blazemonger: testing
[05:22] <Answer> blazemonger: I run on various old hardware platforms and it never crashes.  I think it is your fault
[05:22] <GenNMX> Windows XP nor Linux has crashed for me for 3 years.
[05:22] <jughead> blazemonger: yeah it does crash sometimes; it depends on your setup
[05:22] <blazemonger> ive had hardware probz with debian before too
[05:22] <regal> can anyone tell me?
[05:22] <fnord_> where should i go for help with video card drivers?
[05:22] <blazemonger> ive had crashes in blag
[05:22] <rendered> Gen - close too -  2k,  deb/ubu
[05:22] <rendered> no crash
[05:22] <blazemonger> what's something that WONT crash?
[05:22] <blujay> rendered: what is glade then?
[05:22] <adaptr> Answer: what is the contents of /home/rugrat/.ssh/config ?
[05:22] <rendered> well, short of somethign that should have
[05:22] <blujay> blazemonger: a rock
[05:22] <Answer> blazemonger: freebsd or solaris don't crash much
[05:23] <regal> ???
[05:23] <regal> ????
[05:23] <rendered> blu - was towards getting mono to work
[05:23] <regal> ????
[05:23] <blazemonger> freebsd takes like years to configure
[05:23] <blujay> rendered: oh, the Gtk Glade :)
[05:23] <regal> come on anyone?
[05:23] <adaptr> metguru: so what happens when you try : touch /media/hda1/testfile ?
[05:23] <blujay> regal: what is your question!?
[05:23] <Answer> adaptr: the .ssh config just links hostname to ip address.  there are no global settings or anything there
[05:23] <timfrost> neurotech: add a line 'deb http://ubuntu.systemadministrator.org/ edgy' to /etc/apt/sources.list (change edgy to dapper if appropriate), then add the signing key as described on the main page, and do 'sudo apt-get update'
[05:23] <blazemonger> maybe i should try suse
[05:23] <blazemonger> or something
[05:23] <regal> if im in the ubuntu live cd and im repartitioning my windows partition to make space for ubuntu will widnows still work?
[05:23] <blazemonger> or fedora core
[05:23] <GenNMX> Neither Debian or Ubuntu are toated as 100% stable Server solutions. And even Windows XP Professional is still suppose to be a desktop -- 2000 and 2003 are the servers
[05:23] <blujay> regal: it should, if you allow it to resize the windows partition
[05:24] <kitche> GenNMX: umm 2000 is also a desktop
[05:24] <blazemonger> genben know anything that IS 100% stable?
[05:24] <regal> if i resize windows i mean will it work?
[05:24] <DaGimp> kitche - yes, NT 5.0 and 5.1
[05:24] <metguru> adaptr: "touch: cannot touch `/media/hda1/testfile': Permission denied"
[05:24] <regal> threw ubuntu live cd
[05:24] <GenNMX> blazemonger: A toaster. That you never use.
[05:24] <DaGimp> those bozo's at MS - they get some thigns to work
[05:24] <blazemonger> i was told linux never crashes
[05:24] <genben> blazemonger: debian latest
[05:24] <adaptr> Answer: I think I'll need to see the localhost attempt with triple-v again, I'm missing steps now...
[05:24] <DaGimp> blze- never ?
[05:24] <DaGimp> blze - come on... bad code could ruin anyones day
[05:24] <Munchkinguy> Who should I talk to for reviewing a proposed spec?
[05:24] <blazemonger> yah
[05:24] <blujay> regal: it should...but you should always make backups before messing with partitions!
[05:24] <kitche> blazemonger: linux doesn't everything else does
[05:24] <adaptr> metguru: and what does "ls -la /mnt/media" say ?
[05:24] <blazemonger> i need a distro that's stable
[05:24] <blazemonger> heh
[05:25] <craigbass1976> regal, you can't keep posting quesitons like that. Someone will eventually answer, or if they don't jsut wait a few minutes between posts.  Windows should still work.  If it doesn't, your data should still be there.  Defrag first.
[05:25] <DaGimp> a  *nix box can also be poorly secured
[05:25] <metguru> adaptr: ls -la /mnt/media
[05:25] <blazemonger> ubuntu has the stuff i need but it doesnt work hardly
[05:25] <genben> blazemonger: what are you going to do with this *stable* distro?
[05:25] <adaptr> metguru: sorry, should be /media/hda1, of course
[05:25] <metguru> adaptr: ls: /mnt/media: No such file or directory
[05:25] <DaGimp> it's just yet another solution
[05:25] <metguru> lol
[05:25] <DaGimp> I wish I could pop my M drive in
[05:25] <blazemonger> music appz
[05:25] <DaGimp> i miss me M Drive
[05:25] <blazemonger> develop music appz iz what ive got planned
[05:25] <Riyonuk> How do I make all tasks, quicklaunch, etc on one bar? All at the bottom, like this guy.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Edgyeft.png
[05:25] <adaptr> metguru: I'm old school, this newfangled /media stuff has me in conniptions....
[05:25] <DaGimp> blze- ah
[05:26] <blujay> blazemonger: no offense, but if I could offer a suggestion?  :)  Leave this channel, post on the ubuntu forum and on the ubuntu-users list, and go to launchpad.net and file a bug report on billiard-gl and whatever other apps crash.  then wait patiently for answers :)
[05:26] <metguru> adaptr: ls: /mnt/media/hda1: No such file or directory
[05:26] <DaGimp> go for low latency on your audio cards
[05:26] <adaptr> metguru: you don't have that !
[05:26] <fnord_> i need some help with openchrome,every time i edit my xorg.conf it breaks its im just replaceing vesa with via under the device setting,which ive installed the drivers for
[05:26] <blazemonger> i have that one taken care of
[05:26] <wastrel> /media yes, i always always type /mnt first then have to change it to /media
[05:26] <DaGimp> I just got some app SoundSense blaze, it lets you develop some music
[05:26] <DaGimp> lots out there
[05:26] <adaptr> Answer: fallen asleep ? :)
[05:26] <blazemonger> my stuff in linux always breakz
[05:26] <DaGimp> lol blaze
[05:26] <Red_Death> hello guys
[05:26] <adaptr> blazemonger: it could be related to your attitude....
[05:26] <DaGimp> someone was smokin' blaze
[05:27] <craigbass1976> regal, also, when dualbooting before totally axing windows, I had a fat partition so I could share documents between OSes.  Linux might be better now with ntfs, but I wouldn't know
[05:27] <blazemonger> i'm a happy guy
[05:27] <metguru> adaptr: when i go into properties from right clicking on it it says root: read and write group root: read
[05:27] <DaGimp> I am happy too
[05:27] <blazemonger> maybe mandriva would work good?
[05:27] <Red_Death> everything ubuntu-wise is fine, but my sound just stopped working sometime last night. I'm not sure if it means anything but I had just installed beryl around that time... any ideas?
[05:27] <adaptr> metguru: just do what I asked please... ls -la /media/hda1
[05:27] <blazemonger> or fedora core?
[05:28] <blujay> blazemonger: are you asking rhetorical questions now?
[05:28] <blazemonger> dont know
[05:28] <blujay> blazemonger: methinks you need to look inside yourself for the answers you need :)
[05:28] <blazemonger> i'm just trying to find a distro that takes up no more than one cd and that will actually work
[05:28] <Red_Death> blazemonger: damnsmalllinux worked fine for me
[05:28] <craigbass1976> blujay, spoken liek a true Jedi...
[05:28] <metguru> adaptr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38978/
[05:28] <Munchkinguy> blazemonger: Loaded question.
[05:28] <blujay> craigbass1976: haha
[05:29] <Red_Death> everything ubuntu-wise is fine, but my sound just stopped working sometime last night. I'm not sure if it means anything but I had just installed beryl around that time... any ideas?
[05:29] <blazemonger> so you're sure it wouldnt be my kernel
[05:29] <craigbass1976> blujay, or therapist.  Which are you?
[05:29] <wastrel> knoppix is the famous livecd distro
[05:29] <blujay> blazemonger: try this: http://linuxfromscratch.org =)
[05:29] <blujay> craigbass1976: mm...little bit of both I think
[05:29] <nix_ferret> Anyone know where the png's for the filesystem icons in nautilus are?
[05:29] <blazemonger> blujay that onez hard
[05:29] <arpegius> from a ubuntu 6.06 livecd, what command can i run to go straight to a shell?
[05:29] <blujay> blazemonger: maybez zo butz youz learnz lotz
[05:29] <blazemonger> i'm about to try the same prog that crashed again
[05:29] <blazemonger> and make sure it's not linux
[05:29] <craigbass1976> blujay, can I ask you some questions then?  My lightsaber broke the other day and I can't seem to get it to work anymore... ;)
[05:29] <Munchkinguy> arpegius: log out of gnome, then log in to shell
[05:29] <blazemonger> is it linux thats crashing or is it the program or both?
[05:29] <blujay> blazemonger: if I don't hear from you in 5 minutes I'll call 911
[05:30] <Red_Death> Anybody willing to help me get my sound working?
[05:30] <blujay> craigbass1976: I recommend thinkgeek.com, they have some nice ones :)
[05:30] <adaptr> metguru: sorry, must have been sleeping earlier... you need to edit /etc/fstab, and change line 11
[05:30] <blujay> craigbass1976: though their lights tend to go out if you actually fight with them
[05:30] <Red_Death> I'm experienced with ubuntu, and this has worked fine before, but I'm pretty sure when I installed beryl my sound stopped working.
[05:30] <driv[binge] > Does anyone know of any nice/user friendly money management/budgeting tool for Linux?
[05:30] <kitche> driv[binge] : gnucash
[05:30] <craigbass1976> blujay, Ahh, maybe that was it...
[05:30] <arpegius> i can't do anything from the f6 menu when the boot options screen first comes up? like the boot command w/ some flags or anything?
[05:30] <blazemonger> blujay so i have alot to learn about linux? so your'e sure it wouldnt be the kernel?
[05:31] <genben> Red_Death: why don;t you try ... hey, my blah blah sound card on ubuntu dapper with a stock kernel fails to initialise, what is a possible error? etc etc etc
[05:31] <driv[binge] > kitche: Thanks, I'll try it out.
[05:31] <adaptr> metguru: urp.. I meanplease post /etc/fstab, I haven';t seen that at all yet...
[05:31] <blujay> blazemonger: no, I'm not sure about anything.  I'm not even at your computer.  I can't help you any more, I'm afraid.  I've already told you my recommendations.  Now the rest is up to you.  :)
[05:31] <wastrel> calling gnucash user friendly is generous :]
[05:31] <adaptr> metguru: /etc/fstab --> pastebin
[05:31] <Red_Death> genben: It's onbored realtek sound, on edgy, and it's initialising...
[05:31] <blazemonger> blujay..damn :(
[05:31] <blujay> wastrel: but it's a great app, though
[05:31] <wastrel> but they have a good tutorial nowadays
[05:31] <blujay> blazemonger: yes, I can't fix it for you, sorry :p
[05:31] <craigbass1976> driv[binge] , I've heard gnucash is ok, but I installed it long enough to see that it doesn't LOOK real friendly. Maybe it is though.  I'm curtrently trying to figure out how to get ledgersmb installed, since I heard it is something like Quickbooks (minus the "really sucks" part)
[05:32] <fnord_> i need some help with openchrome,every time i edit my xorg.conf it breaks its im just replaceing vesa with via under the device setting,which ive installed the drivers for
[05:32] <blazemonger> i think it's my friend that built my system for me ..he always said linux is gay
[05:32] <blazemonger> maybe he cursed it
[05:32] <blujay> blazemonger: part of the fun is fixing it yourself.  I just spent 90 minutes getting fuzzyocr to work in SpamAssassin to filter out image spam.  now finally it works!
[05:32] <metguru> adaptr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38979/
[05:32] <blujay> blazemonger: you shouldn't trust any system built by someone who says something like that :)
[05:32] <wastrel> craigbass1976:  there's a very nice tutorial for gnucash nowadays that almost got me using it :]   i'm still a bit of a dunce financially is my problem
[05:32] <blazemonger> did it crash on you blujay
[05:32] <Red_Death> blazemonger: what blujay said is very true
[05:32] <Pelo> craigbass1976,  gnucash it real accounting,  for home users  kmymoney or grisbi is  friendlier
[05:33] <blazemonger> but now he's praising linux though
[05:33] <Red_Death> yea, wouldn't trust that guy
[05:33] <blujay> blazemonger: uh...no...it's a system of Perl modules...not binary stuff...not 3D stuff...not driver stuff...not kernel stuff...so no...not everything crashes, ok!?  :)
[05:33] <genben> Red_Death: have you run alsmixer? volume unmuted? headphones in? what does lsmod indicate?
[05:33] <blazemonger> this ACPI stuff is wwierd i cant disable acpi on this motherboard
[05:33] <craigbass1976> wastrel, I'm looking to help businesses switch to OpenSource, and I heard that gnucash probably wouldn't satisfy their needs.  That is also mostly why I didn't bother with it.
[05:33] <blujay> blazemonger: whoa!  why did you suddenly bring up ACPI??
[05:34] <genben> alsamixer*
[05:34] <Munchkinguy> arpegius: Just a second
[05:34] <craigbass1976> driv[binge] , for my business, I set up a mysql database and wrote shell scripts to enter info.  I could give you a hand with something simple like that if you want.
[05:34] <adaptr> metguru: same as mine... then the original permissions for /media/hda1 were too restrictive
[05:34] <Jesse> does any1 know a way of accesing your windows files linux????
[05:34] <Red_Death> genben: it shows up in lsmod, alsamixer shows everything at full volume, headphones are nonexistient, everything is plugged in.
[05:34] <wastrel> i don't know from business accounting
[05:35] <blujay> !tell jesse ntfs
[05:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about  tell jesse ntfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:35] <blujay> doh
[05:35] <blazemonger> blujayi how do i disable acpi on a motherboard that wont let me do it in the bios?
[05:35] <blujay> !ntfs
[05:35] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[05:35] <genben> i didn't expect you to be so literal but ok
[05:35] <adaptr> metguru: unmount the partition: umount /media/hda1
[05:35] <metguru> adaptr: ok
[05:35] <blazemonger> i think it's this acpi crap
[05:35] <blazemonger> acpi=pointless
[05:35] <DaGimp> lol blaze
[05:35] <DaGimp> I've felt that
[05:35] <adaptr> metguru: now set permissions: chmod 777 /media/hda1
[05:35] <Red_Death> genben: what?
[05:35] <blujay> blazemonger: well, you might try adding something to the kernel boot line...I recommend searching the Ubuntu wiki for info
[05:35] <craigbass1976> Jesse, probably not if the windows files are on an ntfs filesystem.  When I used to dual boot, I had a fat32 partition where I kept data that I wanted to access in both OSes during the transistion phase.
[05:35] <driv[binge] > craigbass1976, I'm a teenager that wants to budget his wild expenses.   I was worried you'd need something more intense.  Do you know mysql at all?
[05:36] <HighLife> hey can anyone help me out with grub?
[05:37] <blujay> HighLife: what's the problem?  just ask
[05:37] <metguru> adaptr: now do I mount it again?
[05:37] <driv[binge] > No sir, which is why I chicken out. My deepest experiences with any form of programming are kiddie scripts for mIRC.
[05:37] <adaptr> metguru: yes, mount /media/hda1
[05:37] <adaptr> metguru: that should do it
[05:37] <HighLife> I reformated the other day and it seems as though ubuntu did not install grub
[05:37] <genben> Red_Death: have you looked through /var/log/dmesg ?
[05:37] <HighLife> It boots straight to windows
[05:37] <blujay> HighLife: please describe the symptoms :)
[05:37] <genben> to make sure that the sound card was loaded?
[05:38] <blujay> HighLife: ah
[05:38] <metguru> adaptr: nope
[05:38] <fnord_> i need some help with openchrome,every time i edit my xorg.conf it breaks its im just replaceing vesa with via under the device setting,which ive installed the drivers for
[05:38] <adaptr> HighLife: it did install grub, just not on the drive that the bios boots from :)
[05:38] <blujay> HighLife: did you install ubuntu?
[05:38] <adaptr> metguru: nope what ?
[05:38] <Jesse> blujay: yeah i just did,  and i dont understand what it wants me to do. and by the way im not very computer literate
[05:38] <HighLife> yes
[05:38] <blujay> Jesse: well, sorry...there's only so much we can do from this end...I recommend you read the howtos on the wiki and take your time and work your way through it
[05:38] <Some_Person> i installed ubuntu 6.06, and i need to configure my adsl, my isp is AT&T (formerly SBC) Yahoo
[05:38] <praka123> hello i removed "dpkg" package itself from my edgy(sorry!).. how to reinstall
[05:38] <metguru> adaptr: it didn't work.. should i try enabling the root acount and logging into that, then changing the permissions using the properties?
[05:39] <blujay> HighLife: adaptr is probably right
[05:39] <Some_Person> AT&T Yahoo has no instructions
[05:39] <adaptr> metguru: wait.. are you telling me you tried to change the permissions without using sudo ?
[05:39] <blujay> HighLife: try this...boot into a shell from the ubuntu cd, then run grub-install
[05:39] <metguru> adaptr: i used sudo
[05:39] <craigbass1976> Some_Person, is it just a cat5 cable coming in?  I'm not familiar with adsl
[05:39] <kitche> Some_Person: what kind of modem do you have an ethernet one?
[05:39] <Jesse> blujay: thanks ill work on that
[05:39] <HighLife> alright im on the live cd right now
[05:39] <adaptr> metguru: so, when unmounted, does it show up as rwxrwxrwx ?
[05:39] <metguru> adaptr: the command line says root@lukas: ~
[05:39] <Some_Person> its ethernet
[05:39] <Red_Death> genben: I'm not seing anything in there related to sound, I however did notice that hyperthreading is disabled although this is a P4 3.6, but that's for another time
[05:40] <blujay> HighLife: ok, bring up a shell and run "sudo grub-install /dev/hdwhatever"
[05:40] <Some_Person> its an adsl modem on my ethernet
[05:40] <blujay> HighLife: probably hda
[05:40] <adaptr> metguru: then you are logged in as root
[05:40] <kitche> !pppoe|Some_Person
[05:40] <ubotu> Some_Person: Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[05:40] <genben> Red_Death: yes, hyperthreading later ... type this => cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ... this will see if you have permission to mess with the sound card and just maybe if it is actually working, you will hear a horrible noise come out of your speakers
[05:40] <craigbass1976> Some_Person, awesome.  What did you have to configure in windows to make it work?
[05:40] <Some_Person> i used the cd they have
[05:40] <Some_Person> but its not for linux
[05:40] <adaptr> blujay: that's exactly what won't work now, either - he has to guesstimate what grub will call the drive the bios actually boots from
[05:40] <genben> Red_Death: ctrl-C to stop bad noise
[05:40] <adaptr> blujay: and do it from within grub itself
[05:41] <donohue> in the middle of a dist-upgrade, something died
[05:41] <Red_Death> genben: :) I know, it's fun noob-mess-with-trick
[05:41] <genben> k
[05:41] <craigbass1976> Some_Person, you plugged the cable into the linux box and nothing happened?
[05:41] <metguru> adaptr: no... it comes up as drwxr-xr-x
[05:41] <Red_Death> genben: it's going but I'm not hearing anything
[05:41] <Some_Person> the linux box is the same machine
[05:41] <HighLife> haha what exactly do you mean by bring up a shell :P
[05:41] <blujay> adaptr: um...look at "man grub-install"  why won't that work?
[05:41] <adaptr> metguru: then the permission change failed, is this when mounted or when unmounted ?
[05:41] <HighLife> im in the console
[05:41] <arrenlex> donohue: Can you please give us a problem, error message, and question? It is more helpful than a vague factual statement.
[05:41] <Some_Person> and, no, i cant access the internet
[05:41] <genben> basic hardeware faultfinding ... is all plugged into correct locations etc?
[05:41] <donohue> sure
[05:41] <donohue> i'm upgrading a 5.10 to 6.06
[05:41] <Red_Death> genben: yes, was just rechecking all the cords and such, everything is plugged in and volume is up
[05:41] <metguru> adaptr: im still mounted
[05:42] <adaptr> blujay: because... the whole issue is that grub does not see the same drive 0 as the bios does at boot-time
[05:42] <adaptr> metguru: unmount
[05:42] <donohue> the upgrade-manager thing didn't give the option to upgrade
[05:42] <metguru> adaptr: ok
[05:42] <Red_Death> genben: I installed beryl last night, the sound stopped working around then...any ideas?
[05:42] <donohue> so I did it by find and replace in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:42] <kitche> donohue: it does if you do sudo update-manager -c
[05:42] <blujay> adaptr: hm...maybe so...
[05:42] <blazemonger> blujay now i disab;led acpi and billard-gl either just locks up and sends me back to gdm login
[05:42] <adaptr> blujay: so grub installs to its currently-guessed drive 0, which is not the boot drive to the bios
[05:42] <Rux> i installed xubuntu ltsp but i have no idea how to connect to it.  any suggestions?  clients?
[05:42] <regal> im installing ubuntu in parallels
[05:42] <blujay> HighLife: how many hard drives do you have?
[05:42] <genben> Red_Death: k, have you ran alsamixer and unmuted the master channel and made sure that PCM is selected
[05:42] <HighLife> 2
[05:42] <blazemonger> but it didnt freeze my machine though
[05:42] <blazemonger> i had to move my mouse
[05:42] <genben> ah, who the hell is beryl?
[05:42] <adaptr> blujay: one will get you ten he has SATA :)
[05:42] <HighLife> 2 sata drives
[05:42] <blujay> HighLife: which one did you install ubuntu on?
[05:42] <metguru> adaptr: drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 2006-12-25 06:44 .
[05:42] <HighLife> sdb
[05:43] <adaptr> genben: beryl is god
[05:43] <metguru> adaptr: thats after I unmounted
[05:43] <blazemonger> thats what happens when i try to fullscren it blujay
[05:43] <blujay> adaptr: I'm still on 5-year-old hardware, no SATA experience here :)
[05:43] <Munchkinguy> genben: a wonderful person
[05:43] <donohue> i followed the alternative in the wiki, with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:43] <blujay> blazemonger: ok, check the logs for errors
[05:43] <donohue> but that terminal window... disappeared
[05:43] <arrenlex> !enter | donohue
[05:43] <ubotu> donohue: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[05:43] <genben> a WM, i know
[05:43] <HighLife> the same one windows is on
[05:43] <adaptr> metguru: weird... lemme think on that
[05:43] <donohue> sorry.
[05:43] <blazemonger> wheres the syslog stuff again
[05:43] <genben> i don't know why a WM install would kill sound
[05:43] <kitche> donohue: well that's not really the way that your suppose to dis-upgrade anyways
[05:43] <Red_Death> genben: yes, it recognises the onboard and everything is unmuted. it's a HDA Intel C-Media CMI9880 if that helps
[05:43] <Munchkinguy> genben: See http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=beryl&type=1
[05:43] <blujay> HighLife: is that the master or slave drive?
[05:43] <HighLife> master
[05:43] <HighLife> im pretty sure
[05:43] <kitche> genben: since it probably uses a sound daemon
[05:43] <Red_Death> genben: I had to do some minor xorg.conf edits, but sound worked after that part
[05:44] <Red_Death> kitche: nope, no sound
[05:44] <driv[binge] > Oh. gnucash is pretty.
[05:44] <Red_Death> lol
[05:44] <HighLife> u know there both sata
[05:44] <blujay> adaptr: haha you were right
[05:44] <kitche> Red_Death: doesn't mean that sound_daemon isn't holding it and not outputing sound
[05:44] <HighLife> so there shouldnt be a master and i slave
[05:44] <genben> i am not familiar with beryl
[05:44] <arrenlex> donohue: Let's try again. What seems to be the problem?
[05:44] <Red_Death> genben: 3d windowmanager, uses nvida drivers with XGL to make pretty windows and such.
[05:44] <Neilp> Hi, can someone help me setup my wireless connection?
[05:45] <blujay> HighLife: I know nothing about SATA.  so try the following, and if they don't work, I can't help you...look on the Wiki I guess: $grub install /dev/hda or $grub install /dev/hdb
[05:45] <Red_Death> genben: lemme check xorg.conf for something odd,
[05:45] <genben> please do
[05:45] <donohue> ok: I tried following the instructions in the wiki here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades, but the terminal window disappeared
[05:45] <Red_Death> kitche: where would I go to make it not hold the sound up if it were?
[05:45] <blazemonger> blujaydo you think the fact that i have this PNPBIOS may have a effect
[05:45] <blazemonger> although i have pnp disabled
[05:45] <blujay> blazemonger: why do you have PNP disabled?  and what kind of CPU do you have?
[05:45] <blazemonger> blujay i have a p4
[05:45] <IdleOne> how can I see what video card i have?
[05:45] <adaptr> metguru: I just remembered... havent; had to mess with that for a long time :(
[05:45] <blazemonger> blujay is pn p supposed to be enabled? i can reboot and enable it again in the bios
[05:46] <arrenlex> IdleOne: lspci | grep Display
[05:46] <blujay> blazemonger: I dunno, try it if you want
[05:46] <adaptr> metguru: you have to change its permissions when it IS mounted, as the permissions are set on the partition's root directory, not on the directory it is mounted on
[05:46] <Neilp> Hi, can someone help me setup my wireless connection?
[05:46] <blazemonger> what else would you reccomend? I think im on a closer path getting this billard-gl game working
[05:46] <Red_Death> kitche: I'm not even seeing a sound section in xorg, should there be?
[05:46] <IdleOne> arrenlex, that didnt return anything
[05:46] <donohue> Currently I suspect the upgrade process is crashed and I want to recover properly
[05:46] <metguru> adaptr: ok
[05:46] <adaptr> metguru: when mounted, run: chmod 777 /media/hda1
[05:46] <blujay> blazemonger: like I said, look in the logs for errors...I already said that but you seem to ignore half of what I suggest :)
[05:46] <blazemonger> blujay it now just locks up and sends me back to the login screen
[05:46] <arrenlex> IdleOne: Run lspci and pastebin the output.
[05:46] <kitche> Red_Death: no xorg.conf doesn't have a sound section
[05:46] <Munchkinguy> arpegius: Sorry I took so long; I remembered a trick from Fedora Core, but didn't know if it worked in Ubuntu, so I tested it.
[05:46] <blujay> blazemonger: something's probably segfaulting
[05:47] <adaptr> metguru: if there is ANYthing already in there, run chmod -R 777
[05:47] <blazemonger> blujay how can i tell if it's from billard-gl
[05:47] <Red_Death> kitche: ok didn't think so, where would I go to restart sound daemon (or which command?)
[05:47] <Red_Death> blazemonger: what isn't working for you?
[05:47] <Munchkinguy> arpegius: log out of Ubuntu, then press Ctrl-Alt-F1
[05:47] <blujay> blazemonger: for the last time...look in the logs
[05:47] <kitche> Red_Death: don't know are you using beryl with gnome?
[05:47] <Red_Death> kitche: indeed
[05:47] <blazemonger> Red_Death a game called billard-gl that i got from the repositories
[05:47] <kitche> Red_Death: ok then it's probably ESD or flash if you played something recently with it
[05:47] <Red_Death> blazemonger: do sudo apt-get billard-gl
[05:48] <trev_> can anyone tell me how to run a loki installer file (.run)?
[05:48] <Red_Death> kitche: oh flash might be it
[05:48] <adaptr> blazemonger: ~/.xsession-errors has all the info the system has about X errors
[05:48] <Red_Death> kitche: i did an apt-get on the notfree flash one, how would i remove it
[05:48] <blujay> trev_: chmod it +x and then ./whatever.run
[05:48] <Munchkinguy> OK... I helped someone. Can someone please help me?
[05:48] <blazemonger> could no errors in that file
[05:48] <adaptr> blazemonger: ANY application that causes X errors writes there
[05:48] <blujay> trev_: you might need to run it as root if you want it in /usr/local/games
[05:48] <blazemonger> Red_Death i did
[05:48] <IdleOne> !paste
[05:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:48] <Red_Death> blazemonger: still no luck?
[05:49] <blujay> blazemonger: are you using two computers?
[05:49] <blazemonger> nope no luck at all man im not having any luck
[05:49] <blazemonger> not two computers
[05:49] <blazemonger> just one
[05:49] <blujay> blazemonger: ok, here's a problem...
[05:49] <blujay> blazemonger: most likely, when it crashes and restarts gdm, it clears out the ~/.xsession-errors file
[05:49] <Arigato> how do I paginate stuff in the console?
[05:49] <roler> Anyone know of a GTK2/metacity Theme that has a texturized vista type panel bar but that has a nice color theme ?
[05:49] <adaptr> blazemonger: this billard-gl game, is that the command ?
[05:49] <donohue> arrenlex: any suggestions for recovering this dist-upgrade gone wrong? thanks for your patience...
[05:49] <adaptr> Arigato: with less, less is more
[05:50] <Red_Death> kitche: I'm removing the flash-nonfree, one second
[05:50] <Munchkinguy> Who should I talk to for reviewing a proposed spec in Launchpad?
[05:50] <metguru> adaptr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38982/ this is what it shows me now
[05:50] <blazemonger> yah adaptr
[05:50] <blujay> Munchkinguy: have you searched the wiki for information?
[05:50] <blazemonger> it's in the games menu too
[05:50] <adaptr> blazemonger: then start it from a console with strace, that should tell you all there is to know
[05:50] <Red_Death> kitche: I uninstalled it, but still no sound, I'm positive it's that though
[05:50] <arrenlex> donohue: I don't know why your terminal window disappeared or how to make sure it doesn't happen again, if that's what you're asking. If you're having problems installing packages using apt or dpkg, I could help you there; but I've never upgraded like that. Sorry. = /
[05:51] <blujay> adaptr: brilliant
[05:51] <adaptr> blazemonger: it is an X game, so the output from strace will be clean
[05:51] <metguru> adaptr: the file was able to be copied into it
[05:51] <blazemonger>  gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting :0
[05:51] <kitche> Red_Death: yea there is a fix but I can't remember it right now :( if you played flash then stopped playing it and lost your sound
[05:51] <adaptr> metguru: yes, this was the whole of the problem, but I have no idea how Ubuntu would mess this up - did you add the mount yourself ?
[05:51] <Red_Death> kitche: i've restared ubuntu, it's still not working after that, but yea that was definately it
[05:51] <blujay> blazemonger: ooh, ooh...look in the X log file
[05:52] <blazemonger> how do i use strace
[05:52] <Z_Morek> anyone know why ubuntu gdm login screen plays sounds but lspci isn't showing my sound card and mplayer/mythfrontend won't play audio
[05:52] <blazemonger> adaptr how do i get it to work?
[05:52] <metguru> adaptr: no, i just installed ubuntu a few days ago and didn't do anything
[05:52] <adaptr> blazemonger: the billard crap segfaulted a window routine.. bad coding, or just the wrong version
[05:52] <metguru> adaptr: i was wondering why i didn't have permission myself
[05:52] <blazemonger> adaptr it segfaulted a window routine ?
[05:53] <blujay> Z_Morek: how many sound cards?
[05:53] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: run mplayer from the command line on a music file and pastebin everything it says, please.
[05:53] <blazemonger> bad coding or wrong version? in ubuntu? how do they get the wrong version in ubuntu?
[05:53] <adaptr> metguru: the reason is probably, that you did not assign it a mount point during installation - it sort of left it alone, to root, until you were ready :)
[05:53] <Z_Morek> one sound card
[05:53] <driv[binge] > Hm. gnucash help refuses to open. Thoughts?
[05:53] <blujay> blazemonger: it looks like this is boiling down to what I said earlier...file a bug report!
[05:53] <Z_Morek> the issue is in video I got from a tunercard
[05:53] <blazemonger> is there a better way i can run this game in linux like i have before
[05:53] <arrenlex> driv[binge] : Run it from the command line.
[05:53] <Red_Death> driv[binge] : go into terminal and type gnucash, tell me what happens
[05:53] <Munchkinguy> blujay: No success.
[05:53] <blazemonger> blujay..the time ive filed a bug report there was never a fix
[05:54] <metguru> adaptr: it still says, when i open the properties (on the desktop icon), and click view permissions, that only root has write access, why is that?
[05:54] <blujay> Munchkinguy: well, I guess you could look at existing specs, and e-mail whoever approved or reviewed it
[05:54] <blazemonger> maybe cuz it didnt affect the system
[05:54] <adaptr> blazemonger: the game is calling a gdm routine in an incorrect way - that's what the error says, and it could be due to a different version being required by the game
[05:54] <driv[binge] > Red_Death, it opens again
[05:54] <blujay> blazemonger: you told me earlier that you didn't actually file a bug report
[05:54] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: So all other audio is played fine?
[05:54] <Red_Death> driv[binge] : what opens again?
[05:54] <blazemonger> adaptr why is the game in there then?
[05:54] <driv[binge] > Red_Death, gnucash
[05:54] <blujay> adaptr: gdm is the desktop manager...shouldn't have anything to do with the game
[05:54] <blazemonger> i get stuff like that all the time
[05:54] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: the only other audio I've heard is the sounds that play at the gdm login screen
[05:54] <blujay> blazemonger: go to launchpad.net and FILE A BUG REPORT, please
[05:54] <Red_Death> driv[binge] : so it works when you use it with terminal, but not from the menu?
[05:54] <adaptr> metguru: it does not say that only root has write permissions, it says that root is the *owner* - that is not  a problem
[05:54] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: i tried to cat random to dsp and nothing happened
[05:54] <Red_Death> blujay: Sucks when people like that come in here
[05:54] <blazemonger> would it make a difference blujay?
[05:55] <Red_Death> Z_Morek: have you used flash recently?
[05:55] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: Run "mplayer" on some sound file and pastebin the output please.
[05:55] <ash> Would anyone know how to send keyboard commands to X or whatever.
[05:55] <blujay> Red_Death: yeah...thanks for noticing :)
[05:55] <driv[binge] > Red_Death, gnucash opens, but the tutorial/help don't
[05:55] <Z_Morek> Red_Death: no
[05:55] <Red_Death> driv[binge] : oh, no clue
[05:55] <blazemonger> even gnome-art crashes sometimes
[05:55] <adaptr> blazemonger: you're asking for miracles, please file a bug report if you wish for answers
[05:55] <Red_Death> blujay: no problem man
[05:55] <Trixsey> Failed to start Volume Control: Failed to execute child process "gnome-volume-control" (No such file or directory). - What to do!?
[05:55] <blujay> blazemonger: sorry, but I'm through with this problem...my last words are, file a bug report.  there's nothing more we can do.
[05:55] <ash> I want to use the switch virutal desktop hotkey to spin the XGL cube every 10 seconds.
[05:55] <ash> any ideas?
[05:55] <adaptr> blujay: indeed, it does not.. but the game obviously messes with gdm.. for whatever reason
[05:56] <alekzandr> i would like to use my blackberry 7130e with ubuntu, but google shows me nothing about this working together, does anyone have any ideas about getting the two to work together?
[05:56] <Red_Death> ash: hire a mexican person to press cntrl+alt+right/left/up/down every 10 seconds :P
[05:56] <ash> !!
[05:56] <metguru> adaptr: but when i look down at 'Others:' it says Folder access: "access files"
[05:56] <Red_Death> ash: xD
[05:56] <adaptr> blujay: he's beyond help for the time being.. expects windoze-like "solutions" to all of his problems
[05:56] <blujay> adaptr: well, maybe...I'm thinking that gdm is just reacting to something further down the line, though, but I don't know...I'm no expert in this, certainly :)  hehe yeah
[05:56] <blazemonger> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-223972.html
[05:56] <adaptr> metguru: yes, and this is what grants *you* access.. you and everybody else (which is what Others means)
[05:56] <arrenlex> adaptr: If the game crashes X, gdm will restart the session.
[05:56] <Red_Death> blujay: are you familiar with the flash error when you start playing flash, then stop it, then sound doesn't work?
[05:56] <blazemonger> one person says it's a free-glut problem
[05:57] <blazemonger> freeglut is buggy
[05:57] <Red_Death> blazemonger: so go talk to that person
[05:57] <blujay> Red_Death: no...in firefox?
[05:57] <Red_Death> blujay: yes
[05:57] <adaptr> arrenlex: okay, so it is merely a response.. but still, bad behaviour
[05:57] <Dicander> I'm running Ubuntu 6.10 on a mac G4. Is there a fast way to switch between Ubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu without reinstalling everything?
[05:57] <blujay> Red_Death: have you set up the firefox dsp wrapper?
[05:57] <arrenlex> adaptr: What is?
[05:57] <Red_Death> blujay: fraid not
[05:57] <Red_Death> blujay: is it just an apt get?
[05:57] <blujay> Dicander: use the session menu in your login screen
[05:57] <blujay> Red_Death: /etc/firefox/firefoxrc try setting it to "auto"
[05:57] <adaptr> arrenlex: the gdm error from strace is merely a belated response that it is restarting X *because* of an error earlier on
[05:57] <kitche> Dicander: they are all teh same but the desktop environments
[05:58] <craigbass1976> Dicander, if they're all installed, cant you just log out of the GUI, pick a different desktop, and log back in?
[05:58] <metguru> adaptr: ok, thanks a lot for your help
[05:58] <adaptr> arrenlex: the crash itself is not reported by X - as it cannot, since it crashed
[05:58] <blazemonger> why all these unstable software in ubuntu?
[05:58] <adaptr> arrenlex: should be in xorg.log, though
[05:58] <Red_Death> blazemonger: why all these 'tards in #ubuntu?
[05:58] <Red_Death> blujay: did that, now what?
[05:58] <blujay> blazemonger: because people like you refuse to help by filing bug reports?
[05:58] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: http://pastebin.ca/293087
[05:59] <blujay> Red_Death: restart firefox and see if the problem is still there...I kind of doubt this will fix it though
[05:59] <adaptr> blazemonger: there is very little unstable software in the official ubuntu repositories - if you find much to complain about, please confine yourself to using only main
[05:59] <Red_Death> blujay: i don't even have firefox running right now
[05:59] <blujay> Red_Death: ok, well, run it and see if flash has the problem
[05:59] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: it plays as root
[05:59] <squeakypant1> hey
[05:59] <Z_Morek> when I sudo
[05:59] <adaptr> blazemonger: undoubtedly some homey told you to enable the uni.multi repos, and you followed suit like a good monkey.. and now you want your money back :)
[05:59] <blazemonger> do ineed ro reinstall ubuntu
[05:59] <Z_Morek> it's a permissions issue....
[06:00] <adaptr> blazemonger: rarely if ever, so no
[06:00] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: download and run this as root: http://arrenlex.diff.be/alsaconf
[06:00] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: Then try it.
[06:00] <squeakypant1> when I boot into gnome, only the desktop appears
[06:00] <arpegius> i know it is OT but anyone know if you can get to the os x menu bar w/ the keyboard?
[06:00] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: I played it when I ran it "sudo mplayer ..."
[06:00] <blujay> ah... /ignore is nice...
[06:00] <Z_Morek> successfully
[06:00] <adaptr> blazemonger: if you mean: will it "solve" your problem, who knows...
[06:00] <Red_Death> blazemonger: this isn't windows, reinstalling doesnt fix thigns
[06:00] <squeakypant1> anyone have any idea why? i was messing with beryl when it happened (a week ago)
[06:00] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: (this is the alsa configurator script from the debian version of the alsa-utils package that I keep around for when things break :))
[06:00] <adaptr> Red_Death: not erm.. strictly true, not all of the time
[06:00] <Red_Death> blujay: i did the same :D, and i have no sound at all
[06:00] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: should I just change some permissions or groups or something?
[06:00] <blujay> Red_Death: in anything or just firefox?
[06:01] <blazemonger> theres like other progz that won't run either redguy
[06:01] <blazemonger> Red_Death
[06:01] <blazemonger> i mean
[06:01] <Red_Death> adaptr: windows reinstalling is like step two on the ladder of fixes, reinstalling ubuntu is much further down the line, unless it's a segfault
[06:01] <Red_Death> blujay: no sound at all xD
[06:01] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: All that says to me is that it's a configuration program, not a hardware program. That script will redetect your soundcard and reload your modules. Try it first.
[06:01] <squeakypants> lost a pant for a second
[06:01] <blujay> Red_Death: what kind of sound card?
[06:01] <craigbass1976> squeakypants, hehe
[06:01] <adaptr> Red_Death: after a gratuitous rm -rf /usr, reinstalling is about the only sensible option left.... and of course you're right
[06:01] <Red_Death> blujay: C-azalia 9880 or something, I said it earlier, /lastlog Red_Death and scroll up alittle
[06:01] <blazemonger> what kind of hardware does linux like?
[06:01] <joeljkp> anyone have a tip on a good console cd ripper?
[06:01] <blujay> Red_Death: hey, don't treat me like a newb :P hehe j/k
[06:01] <squeakypants> craigbass: you laughed at my joke, now you must help me :-P
[06:02] <Red_Death> adaptr: same to be said with most anything, I'm talking problems not user fuckups
[06:02] <Red_Death> blujay: :P
[06:02] <blujay> Red_Death: I assume you're using alsa?
[06:02] <Red_Death> blujay: you assumed correctly
[06:02] <blazemonger> Red_Death would you reccomend making a new kernel?
[06:02] <blujay> Red_Death: how old is that sound chipset?
[06:02] <adaptr> Red_Death: okay, well, I have run across some beautiful debian and redhat dependency hells in my time... major reasons why I don't go there no mo'
[06:02] <Red_Death> blujay: 2003 or so, it's worked before
[06:02] <blujay> Red_Death: ooh, idea... $ sudo /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload
[06:02] <Red_Death> ok
[06:02] <adaptr> Red_Death: server-wise it's 606LTS for me :)
[06:03] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: it gives me a syntax error...
[06:03] <blazemonger> dependencies also get me in ubuntu
[06:03] <blazemonger> dependency hell
[06:03] <squeakypants> is there a way for me to easily reinstall all of gnome?
[06:03] <adaptr> blazemonger: do tell
[06:03] <cappicard> finaly got to my cmos battery
[06:03] <Red_Death> adaptr: :), yea I just did a quick reinstall after trying gentoo/sabayon, far too many errors, trading one working thing for another and such
[06:03] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: Try "bash alsaconf".
[06:03] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: sudo bash alsaconf, I guess.
[06:03] <Spaghetti_Knife> How do I uninstall madwifi? When i type whereis madwifi, it gets me madwifi:.
[06:03] <Z_Morek> I tried to run it with regular shell... :-(
[06:03] <Red_Death> blujay: telling me command not found...
[06:04] <blujay> Red_Death: which command?  sudo or /etc/init.d/alsa ?
[06:04] <squeakypants> please, anyone?
[06:04] <arrenlex> Z_Morek: Still no luck?
[06:04] <Red_Death> blujay: obviously the second half
[06:04] <craigbass1976> squeakypants, I can't.  I know nothing of beryl, other than it looks wicked cool.  I have a toddler and a newborn and can't mess with it
[06:04] <adaptr> Red_Death: agreed - I 've run a gentoo server for about 2 years now, and it's neared the end of its useful lifetime for me.. I simply have not the time to fiddle with my server *that damn much*, although it sure was fun for a while, and boy do you learn a lot about Linux :)
[06:04] <danielmarsom> help!!!
[06:04] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: I'm navigating it...
[06:04] <blujay> Red_Death: well...that's what it's called on Debian...oh...wait...upstart...
[06:04] <Red_Death> adaptr: yea :P
[06:04] <squeakypants> craigbass: ha, congrats
[06:04] <adaptr> !ask|danielmarsom:
[06:04] <ubotu> danielmarsom:: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:04] <Spaghetti_Knife> How do I uninstall madwifi? When I type "whereis madwifi," I get "madwifi:."
[06:04] <blujay> Red_Death: how do you restart things with upstart?
[06:04] <blazemonger> anyone else want to try running billard-gl?
[06:05] <blazemonger> and see what happens
[06:05] <danielmarsom> adar, patience
[06:05] <Red_Death> blujay: dude I don't know, /etc/init.d/ works here too
[06:05] <danielmarsom> adaptr, patience
[06:05] <adaptr> blazemonger: I'm going to try it if you run dapper
[06:05] <Red_Death> blujay: i've restarted things like that before, but I think we're using the wrong word
[06:05] <blujay> Red_Death: well, I think you need to restart alsa...maybe, anyway...I guess rebooting would do it
[06:05] <adaptr> danielmarsom: another line for naught :)
[06:05] <Red_Death> blujay: tried that a few times, no luck :(
[06:05] <squeakypants> anyone, anyone?
[06:05] <arrenlex> Red_Death: You are trying to restart alsa?
[06:05] <adaptr> blazemonger: dapper or edgy ?
[06:05] <danielmarsom> im trying to install kde, or more specifically the kubuntu flavour, offline iwht the cd.
[06:05] <Spaghetti_Knife> Anyone get my question?
[06:05] <blujay> Red_Death: since we changed the dsp wrapper?
[06:05] <Red_Death> arrenlex: yes, what's the command
[06:06] <arrenlex> Red_Death: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils force-reload
[06:06] <Red_Death> AHA
[06:06] <danielmarsom> *with the cd.
[06:06] <Riyonuk> Im reading now that Ubuntu includes Dejavu fonts? How do I access those?
[06:06] <blazemonger> adaptr im using edgy right now..it worked perfect on dapper
[06:06] <craigbass1976> blazemonger, If you're talking about the pool game in one of the repos, then I have run it.  It was wicked slow on the box I played it with, but worked.  As I turned off features, it became playable.
[06:06] <blazemonger> on my system
[06:06] <blujay> arrenlex: on Debian it's just alsa, not alsa-utils
[06:06] <Spaghetti_Knife> Anybody get my question?
[06:06] <danielmarsom> i use apt-cdrom to add it to the sources.list
[06:06] <blazemonger> craigbass1976 it didnt freeze or crash your system!?!?!
[06:06] <Spaghetti_Knife> Anybody?
[06:06] <adaptr> blazemonger: then odds are it will work fine on my dapper as well.. so no use in even trying
[06:06] <craigbass1976> blazemonger, it was on dapper
[06:06] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: it's a permissions issue...
[06:06] <Red_Death> blujay: still no luck after that
[06:06] <danielmarsom> and apt-get update
[06:06] <adaptr> blazemonger: is it a good game ? I do like pool
[06:06] <blazemonger> craigbass1976 try it in edgy
[06:06] <arrenlex> blujay: I see. Thank you, I will make a mental note. *runs debian*
[06:06] <blazemonger> it z not bad adaptr
[06:06] <blujay> Red_Death: did it reload alsa?  did you see it killing process?
[06:06] <craigbass1976> blazemonger, no.  2.something ghz intel with 512 ram
[06:06] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: I ran it configured it etc... and it still won't run as user
[06:06] <danielmarsom> but it cant find any kubuntu packages
[06:07] <Red_Death> hexy@Fail:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils force-reload * Shutting down ALSA...                                                 [ ok ]   * Setting up ALSA...                                                    [ ok ]
[06:07] <craigbass1976> blazemonger, onboard video
[06:07] <adaptr> blazemonger: well, something good came out of it then: I got a new game :)
[06:07] <blujay> danielmarsom: $ apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop
[06:07] <Red_Death> then it restarted
[06:07] <Z_Morek> arrenlex: but it runs as root
[06:07] <Red_Death> as well
[06:07] <blazemonger> i have 1.something ghz intel 768 ram and billard-gl ran perfect in dapper
[06:07] <blazemonger> also have a rage 128 card
[06:07] <blazemonger> craigbass1976 see if it crashes in edgy
[06:07] <blujay> Red_Death: so you can't play any sound with ANYTHING?
[06:07] <Red_Death> blujay: nope, not at all
[06:07] <danielmarsom> blujay, W: Unable to locate package kubuntu-desktop
[06:08] <craigbass1976> blazemonger, I'm not installing edgy.
[06:08] <Red_Death> arrenlex: are you familiar with that flash error where it mucks up the sound?
[06:08] <blujay> danielmarsom: $ less /etc/apt/sources.list  (see if any cdrom lines are there)
[06:08] <blazemonger> craigbass1976 : I can't say I blame you
[06:08] <blazemonger> craigbass1976 edgy has bugs gallore
[06:08] <blujay> Red_Death: weird...I suggest you *shudder* reboot :)
[06:08] <Riyonuk> Im reading now that Ubuntu includes Dejavu fonts? How do I access those?
[06:08] <blazemonger> everything crashes in edgy
[06:08] <blujay> Red_Death: or at least restart X
[06:08] <arrenlex> Red_Death: No. Is this Flash 7 or 9? What would happen if you ran http://arrenlex.diff.be/alsaconf ?
[06:08] <Spaghetti_Knife> Can anybody help me with uninstalling madwifi?
[06:08] <blazemonger> maybe the next version of ubuntu will be more stable
[06:08] <Red_Death> arrenlex: 9
[06:08] <blujay> Spaghetti_Knife: how did you install it?
[06:09] <arrenlex> Red_Death: I havem
[06:09] <danielmarsom> blujay, deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060531)] / dapper main restricted
[06:09] <arrenlex> n't heard of it
[06:09] <Spaghetti_Knife> blujay: I installed it from source, I think.
[06:09] <arrenlex> Red_Death: What symptoms? Other than no sound?
[06:09] <blujay> danielmarsom: is there some reason you're not using Edgy?
[06:09] <blujay> Spaghetti_Knife: did you use checkinstall or "make install"?
[06:09] <Red_Death> alekzandr: no sound is it :P, lemme run this alsaconf really quick
[06:09] <danielmarsom> yes, slow connection and waiting for it to arrive
[06:09] <joeljkp> anyone have a tip on a good console cd ripper?
[06:09] <Spaghetti_Knife> blujay I think "make install."
[06:09] <regal> hey guys im running ubuntu on parallels and i cant seem to use my wireless is there anyway i can use windows internet or get the driver installed?
[06:09] <danielmarsom> and small data cap
[06:10] <blujay> danielmarsom: try $ apt-get update && apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop
[06:10] <Red_Death> arrenlex: how would I run that?
[06:10] <arrenlex> Red_Death: It's a script. Download it and run it with sudo.
[06:10] <blujay> Spaghetti_Knife: try "make uninstall" from the same directory...if that doesn't work, try building a deb package with checkinstall, then uninstalling that package...if that doesn't work, you will have to manually remove the files
[06:10] <arrenlex> Red_Death: sudo bash alsaconf is the easiest way.
[06:10] <Red_Death> ok, thats what I needed :P
[06:10] <blazemonger> edgy is the most buggy linux
[06:10] <craigbass1976> blazemonger, xchat seems to be working ok for you...
[06:11] <blujay> arrenlex: Debian has alsaconf built-in...does Ubuntu not?
[06:11] <arrenlex> blazemonger: Is there a particular reason for the FUD, or...?
[06:11] <Spaghetti_Knife> blujay How do I find madwifi?
[06:11] <blujay> Spaghetti_Knife: sorry, you know more about madwifi than I do
[06:11] <arrenlex> blujay: No. I took this script from the debian alsa-utils package. Ubuntu's doesn't have it.
[06:11] <Spaghetti_Knife> blujay When I type whereis madwifi, it gets me "madwifi:."
[06:11] <blujay> arrenlex: cool :)
[06:11] <blujay> Spaghetti_Knife: try "which madwifi"
[06:11] <arrenlex> blujay: I assume there is something equivalent somewhere. But I've always found this script exceedingly easy and convenient, so I give it to people.
[06:11] <blujay> Spaghetti_Knife: but keep in mind there's more to a package than /usr/bin/whatever
[06:11] <Munchkinguy> blazemonger: Hence the name "edgy". If you want something stable and reliable, use Dapper.
[06:11] <blujay> arrenlex: yep :)
[06:11] <Red_Death> arrenlex: ok, did it, worked fine, but now cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesn't work, says permission denied
[06:12] <blujay> Red_Death: are you a member of the audio group?
[06:12] <Red_Death> blujay: yes
[06:12] <blazemonger> im gonna try debian
[06:12] <blazemonger> debian testing
[06:12] <blujay> Red_Death: ls -l /dev/dsp check the permissions
[06:13] <blazemonger> di liike more up to date packages :)
[06:13] <adaptr> blazemonger: good luck, you have just seen the "Debian that works", now you're going to try plain Debian ?
[06:13] <Munchkinguy> blazemonger: What were your major problems with Ubuntu?
[06:13] <adaptr> blazemonger: Debian stable is even less up-to-date than Ubuntu
[06:13] <Red_Death> blujay: ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
[06:13] <blazemonger> adaptr yah im gonna try it
[06:13] <petriborg> can anyone tell me what version of the nvidia glx drivers are being used right now in edgy?
[06:13] <danielmarsom> blujay: W: Unable to locate package kubuntu-desktop
[06:13] <blazemonger> what about debian testing?
[06:13] <blazemonger> is that any good
[06:13] <arrenlex> Red_Death: apt-get install alsa-oss
[06:13] <Red_Death> petriborg: most recent I belive, just installed it earlier
[06:13] <adaptr> blazemonger: well, couldn't hurt I guess
[06:13] <blujay> danielmarsom: did it update the package lists from the cdrom?
[06:13] <blazemonger> if ubuntu is debian that works...that's bad
[06:13] <blujay> Red_Death: try /dev/dsp0
[06:14] <danielmarsom> bljay, doesnt look like it
[06:14] <Red_Death> blujay: nope, no dsps where shoiwing up
[06:14] <fushidamn> the irregularity of debian putting out updates was half the reason ubuntu came into existance to the best of my knowledge
[06:14] <adaptr> blazemonger: if you approach Debian testing with the attitude presented here, it will.... not be a very satisfactory experience
[06:14] <danielmarsom> bljuay, doesnt look like it
[06:14] <Red_Death> arrenlex: just installed that, now what?
[06:14] <danielmarsom> blujuay, doesnt look like it
[06:14] <danielmarsom> grrr
[06:14] <blujay> Red_Death: do like arrenlex said and install alsa-oss
[06:14] <Jimerson> Anyone familiar with the 6.10 network issues on iMac G5?
[06:14] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Does it exist now?
[06:14] <Munchkinguy> blazemonger: Perhaps I can suggest an alternate distro. What were your issues with Ubuntu?
[06:14] <blazemonger> adaptr it wont?
[06:14] <Red_Death> blazemonger: I have you on ignore because you're so ignorant, I suggest going back to windows if you're not willing to do what the smart people say
[06:14] <robert_> can I selectively upgrade packages and their deps?
[06:14] <adaptr> blazemonger: more to the point, it will be a very short one
[06:14] <blazemonger> Munchkinguy:programs that would either freeze my system or restart my box back to gdm login
[06:15] <adaptr> blazemonger: what Red said, a few more negativisms and you're out
[06:15] <blujay> danielmarsom: is the cdrom in?
[06:15] <Red_Death> arrenlex: nope, still nonexistent
[06:15] <Spaghetti_Knife> blujay: Sweet, I got it working! Thanks.
[06:15] <danielmarsom> blujay, yes and mounted :)
[06:15] <blujay> Spaghetti_Knife: cool, how?
[06:15] <petriborg> red_death: i don't suppose you can actually check? this is somewhat important to me because i'm trying to get WoW working in Wine and am pretty closs but i suspect that my nvidia drivers being the 8776 version is causing it to crash on entering the world
[06:15] <blujay> danielmarsom: what happens when you run apt-cdrom?
[06:16] <Spaghetti_Knife> blujay: I found an faq that I used to install madwifi with, and when I did, I tracked it to the right directory.
[06:16] <arrenlex> Red_Death: sudo mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3
[06:16] <blujay> Spaghetti_Knife: cool
[06:16] <Spaghetti_Knife> blujay: Then I just make uninstalled.
[06:16] <blujay> danielmarsom: oh...uh...duh...
[06:16] <blujay> danielmarsom: are you using an UBUNTU CD or a KUBUNTU cd?
[06:16] <Red_Death> arrenlex: then try it?
[06:16] <danielmarsom> blujay, kubuntu
[06:16] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Does it exist yet?
[06:16] <blujay> danielmarsom: ok...what happens when you run apt-cdrom?
[06:17] <Red_Death> arrenlex: nope
[06:17] <danielmarsom> blujay, apt-cdrom add?
[06:17] <arrenlex> Red_Death: ...I don't think that's possible.
[06:17] <blujay> danielmarsom: yeah
[06:17] <arrenlex> Red_Death: What's the output of "file /dev/dsp" ?
[06:17] <trev_> can anyone tell me how you control what appears on gnomes menus?
[06:17] <Red_Death> /dev/dsp: character special (14/3)
[06:17] <Red_Death> wtf
[06:17] <blazemonger> Munchkinguy any reccomendations? Mandriva? Fedora?
[06:17] <danielmarsom> blujay, no errors,
[06:17] <blujay> trev_: maybe smeg...I dunno
[06:17] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Then it, uh, exists. xD
[06:17] <feross> hello. bash question.. I need to 'ffmpeg -i capture[001-020] .dv -target ntsc-svcd svcdout/capture[001-0020] .mpg' .... is the  [001-020]  part correct?
[06:17] <blujay> !smeg
[06:17] <ubotu> Alacarte Menu Editor is an easy-to-use menu editor for GNOME; older versions were called smeg. You can get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/alacarte/
[06:18] <johan_> how do i get latest flash for internet vids
[06:18] <blujay> danielmarsom: does it spin up the cdrom drive?
[06:18] <Red_Death> arrenlex: it's just showing up now... wtf
[06:18] <danielmarsom> blujay, yeah
[06:18] <johan_> i get ask for updates
[06:18] <Munchkinguy> blazemonger: The problem seems to be that you want stable and cutting edge at the same time.
[06:18] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Well, glad it fixed itself.
[06:18] <blujay> johan_: you need the flash9 beta package...not in ubuntu's main repos
[06:18] <Red_Death> arrenlex: anyways, why doesn't urandom work on dsp yet?
[06:18] <blujay> danielmarsom: apt-cache search kubuntu
[06:18] <Red_Death> or any sound for that matter
[06:18] <johan_> do i get flash 9 from adobe
[06:18] <Naik0> Is it possible to get photoshop in linux? :o
[06:18] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Define "doesn't work"
[06:18] <blazemonger> Munchkinguy slackware needs some updated compilers
[06:19] <blujay> johan_: I recommend you look on the ubuntu wiki for flash info
[06:19] <danielmarsom> blujay, no output
[06:19] <arrenlex> Naik0: Yes, with wine.
[06:19] <blazemonger> thatz the only thing it needs..there hasnt been a new release in forever
[06:19] <Red_Death> arrenlex: there's no sound, it shows up in alsamixer, is unmuted, everything is plugged in, no headphones...
[06:19] <trev_> does anyone know were alecart menu manager went from version 6.06?
[06:19] <robert_> can I selectively upgrade packages and their deps?
[06:19] <johan_> thanks
[06:19] <petriborg> can someone please tell me where the edgy repository lives?
[06:19] <Naik0> ah oki
[06:19] <blujay> danielmarsom: and you ran $ apt-get update ?
[06:19] <fushidamn> Red_Death: clearly the ignore it and it will fix itself solution has worked again...haah
[06:19] <fushidamn> haha I mean
[06:19] <petriborg> er nm i found it :)
[06:19] <danielmarsom> yeah
[06:19] <blazemonger> isnt it always good to have the latest packages no matter what distro you run?
[06:19] <Munchkinguy> blazemonger: If you don't mind KDE, you can use the "Other Debian that works (besides Ubuntu)"
[06:19] <Red_Death> fushidamn: :P when has it worked before?
[06:20] <Red_Death> fushidamn: oh, on that blazemonger guy?
[06:20] <Red_Death> :P
[06:20] <zcat[1] > considering 80% of computer users suffer with 'barely stable and about 5 years old'
[06:20] <blujay> Red_Death: what did you do before it stopped working?
[06:20] <adaptr> trev_: here ? http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/utils/alacarte
[06:20] <trev_> thx
[06:20] <danielmarsom> blujay, yeah
[06:20] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Could I ask you to install "mplayer-nogui" temporarily? It makes things really easy to troubleshoot...
[06:20] <blazemonger> what's the other debian that works?
[06:20] <arrenlex> blujay: He says flash broke it.
[06:20] <Munchkinguy> blazemonger: Freespire
[06:20] <fushidamn> Red_Death: at work, ignore the problem and it goes away, or someone else fixes it, who knows
[06:20] <Red_Death> blujay: the stupid halfway known flash error, where you start then stop then it breaks
[06:20] <Red_Death> fushidamn: :D
[06:20] <blujay> Red_Death: and have you rebooted *since* the sound stopped working completely?
[06:20] <Red_Death> blujay: yes
[06:21] <blujay> danielmarsom: sorry I don't know...it should work...try asking someone else for ideas or use the forums/mailing lists
[06:21] <Red_Death> arrenlex: I can't get it on it's own...
[06:21] <blazemonger> i prefer having both kde and gnome
[06:21] <blujay> Red_Death: weird :/
[06:21] <Red_Death> E: Package mplayer-nogui has no installation candidate
[06:21] <fushidamn> Red_Death: No, in reality it means that problems often get fixed when I am fixing other things...or a reboot does wonders sometimes
[06:21] <danielmarsom> blujay, true thanks man
[06:21] <blazemonger> so regular debian doesn't work?
[06:21] <blujay> Red_Death: do you have another OS you can boot into?
[06:21] <arrenlex> Red_Death: You'd need the multiverse repository.
[06:21] <blujay> danielmarsom: good luck
[06:21] <Red_Death> blujay: no
[06:21] <Munchkinguy> blazemonger: Never said that.
[06:21] <Astrozombie> hello
[06:21] <Red_Death> arrenlex: ok, lemme go fix that
[06:21] <blujay> Red_Death: a live CD?
[06:21] <Red_Death> blujay: this one xD
[06:21] <Astrozombie> How are you today?
[06:21] <adaptr> zombies!
[06:21] <blujay> Red_Death: ...are you *on* a livecd now?
[06:21] <Red_Death> blujay: LOL no
[06:22] <robert_> BLAH
[06:22] <blujay> Red_Death: ok...well try booting the cd and see if sound works
[06:22] <Munchkinguy> blazemonger: Debian stable is apparently excellent, it's just old.
[06:22] <robert_> Does anybody know if I can selectively upgrade packages and their deps?
[06:22] <blujay> Red_Death: at least we'd know it's not a hardware problem
[06:22] <blujay> robert_
[06:22] <blujay> er
[06:22] <arrenlex> robert__: apt-pinning
[06:22] <Astrozombie> Hey guys will HOST AP work for Intel 2200 bg?
[06:22] <blujay> robert_ yes you can
[06:22] <blazemonger> Munchkinguy..mm..ouch
[06:22] <fushidamn> Munchkiguy: I thought the words old and stable were interchangable?
[06:22] <adaptr> robert_: if you apt-get install a package that has a newer version available, then just that and the required dependencies will get upgraded
[06:22] <robert_> apt-pinning? I'm assuming I have to install that
[06:23] <Red_Death> arrenlex: installed mplayer-nogui, now what?
[06:23] <blazemonger> im bout to try debian
[06:23] <robert_> ah ok
[06:23] <blujay> robert_: that's usually something you do with Debian, not Ubuntu...what are you trying to upgrade from/to?
[06:23] <Astrozombie> can i install hostap from terminal?
[06:23] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Run it from the command line on a sound file of some sort, like an mp3 or ogg or wav. Pastebin all the output.
[06:23] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Command is "mplayer"
[06:23] <Red_Death> arrenlex: can i do it for a cd?
[06:23] <adaptr> robert_: you can always use -s to fake an apt-get action....
[06:23] <petriborg> hey guys can someone tell me what is the safest way to update to edgy so that i don't screw over my dapper install?
[06:23] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Uh... it would get complicated. You've nothing else?
[06:23] <arrenlex> !upgrade | petriborg
[06:23] <ubotu> petriborg: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:23] <Red_Death> arrenlex: nothing xD fresh install
[06:24] <johan_> E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfre
[06:24] <robert_> blujay- I was wondering if somebody had packaged evolution 2.8.2 yet
[06:24] <wastrel> !upgrade
[06:24] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:24] <Munchkinguy> fushidamn: (sardonic laugh)
[06:24] <adaptr> robert_: good habit when you don't know the exact result: "apt-get-s install whatever" will show you what it would do, but does nothing
[06:24] <fnord_> i need some help with x-org/graph. drivers
[06:24] <robert_> ah ok
[06:24] <Red_Death> arrenlex: one sec i'll just extract one track
[06:24] <Z_Morek> if anyone else is having sound issues
[06:24] <adaptr> robert_: sorry, should be apt-get -s; mind the gap!
[06:24] <Z_Morek> there's a guide on an ubutnu site...
[06:24] <Astrozombie> Hello?
[06:25] <Z_Morek> I just lost the url tho...
[06:25] <adaptr> zombies !
[06:25] <arrenlex> Red_Death: http://arrenlex.diff.be/cgnu_fightsong.mp3
[06:25] <fowlduck> Gerald Ford died today at 93
[06:25] <Red_Death> ewwwwww
[06:25] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Shortest clip I have....
[06:25] <Z_Morek> ANYONE WITH SOUND PROBLEMS
[06:25] <robert_> heh, yeah
[06:25] <Z_Morek> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[06:25] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Hope you don't mind homestar.
[06:25] <adaptr> Z_Morek: we thank you for not shouting
[06:25] <Z_Morek> I had to add my users to the audio group
[06:25] <Red_Death> arrenlex: i'll just ip this stuff really quick, 3 minutes left :P
[06:25] <Astrozombie> can i install hostap from terminal?
[06:25] <Z_Morek> I just wanted to get it out there because I had a huge problem earlier
[06:25] <Astrozombie> through apt-get?
[06:25] <robert_> adaptr- what are 'Super Cow Powers' ? :
[06:25] <Z_Morek> and I get the sense there's others
[06:25] <robert_> :P*
[06:25] <arrenlex> Red_Death: The file is only 250kb xD
[06:25] <adaptr> Z_Morek: also, pasting forum posts is.. well, needy, for one thing
[06:25] <Red_Death> arrenlex: but it's ew
[06:25] <Red_Death> :)
[06:26] <Red_Death> this is deftones, good shit
[06:26] <adaptr> robert_: sjeez how long has it been? :)
[06:26] <Z_Morek> it's not mine
[06:26] <Z_Morek> it's a guide...
[06:26] <zcat[1] > Z_Morek: if you create them with the gui tool I think it adds groups for you.. adduser doesn't
[06:26] <arrenlex> Red_Death: What's ew?
[06:26] <Z_Morek> nevermind
[06:26] <adaptr> robert_: how *are* they doing these days, anyway ?
[06:26] <Z_Morek> I'm all set
[06:26] <Red_Death> arrenlex: that song
[06:26] <Red_Death> :)
[06:26] <arrenlex> Red_Death: -__-
[06:26] <Z_Morek> that was a guide for all sound problems
[06:26] <Red_Death> arrenlex: :D
[06:26] <Z_Morek> comprehensive...
[06:26] <Astrozombie> :'(
[06:26] <Z_Morek> peace all
[06:26] <robert_> meh- same old, same old :P
[06:27] <Astrozombie> Dear User, Can i have some assitance plz.
[06:27] <arrenlex> !ask | Astrozombie
[06:27] <ubotu> Astrozombie: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:27] <Red_Death> lol
[06:27] <Red_Death> that's great
[06:27] <fowlduck> Gerald Ford died today at 93
[06:27] <Red_Death> OH SNAP, oh wait, I just realized I don't care
[06:27] <arrenlex> fowlduck: Who's that?
[06:27] <Astrozombie> Have you guys got Host AP working on your Wifi Cards?
[06:27] <rapid-> HHHHH
[06:28] <fowlduck> arrenlex: former president of the US
[06:28] <Red_Death> rapid-: +a a a a a a?
[06:28] <Red_Death> fowlduck: anybody that slowly led the us down this downward spiral deserves to die anyways, I can't wait to move away
[06:28] <Astrozombie> does anyone know what host ap is?
[06:29] <fowlduck> RedKrieg: riiight
[06:29] <rapid-> Astrozombie: a host ap is a access point.
[06:29] <Astrozombie> good.
[06:29] <fowlduck> RedKrieg: you should check out his track record before you judge
[06:29] <robert_> fowlduck- I heard.
[06:29] <adaptr> Astrozombie: think you can enlighten us now with what your problem is ?
[06:29] <Astrozombie> I went to Intel's website. and they have a random page dedicated to IT, i was wonderin how i can install it.
[06:30] <Astrozombie> look here http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/283432.htm
[06:30] <robert_> haha
[06:30] <adaptr> first you would have to explain what you mean by "host ap workig *on* a wifi card" - it's not readily apparent
[06:31] <Astrozombie> that webpage says i cant install HOstap with modifications.
[06:31] <Astrozombie> Wich i dont fully under stand.
[06:31] <rapid-> Astrozombie, So you want to run your wireless card as a access point?
[06:31] <Astrozombie> yes
[06:31] <adaptr> if you mean you want to use a wifi NIC *as* an AP, that would require support for ... indeed, modifications
[06:31] <Red_Death> arrenlex: http://pastebin.com/845584
[06:32] <vexati0n> is it just me or did a recent wine update screw with WoW ?
[06:32] <rapid-> adaptr: an atheros based chipset will just need software
[06:32] <rapid-> vexati0n: check out cedega
[06:32] <rapid-> !cedgea
[06:32] <Red_Death> vexati0n: i'm using 8776 if that's what you were wondering
[06:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cedgea - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <rapid-> !cedega
[06:32] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[06:32] <arrenlex> Red_Death: I strongly suggest you try using the correct filename ;)
[06:32] <Astrozombie> Thats what im wondering.
[06:32] <adaptr> rapid-: yes, but atheros has excellent linux support generally.. intel's is only so-so
[06:32] <Astrozombie> It doesnt say if it s atheros
[06:32] <rapid-> Astrozombie: a lspci will show you that.
[06:32] <Red_Death> arrenlex: i just did sat<tab>, to play the folder, wouldn't that work?
[06:33] <Astrozombie> rapid just type that command
[06:33] <rapid-> Astrozombie: yes.
[06:33] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Because you have several files that start with Saturday\ Night\ Wrist/ in that folder.
[06:33] <Red_Death> >:E
[06:33] <arrenlex> Red_Death: It went as far as it could and needs a few more letters now.
[06:33] <Red_Death> no I don't
[06:33] <Red_Death> I have 12 files, each one an ogg song
[06:33] <Red_Death> 01, 02, etc
[06:33] <Red_Death> hahahah
[06:34] <rapid-> Astrozombie: if it shows you Atheros chipset anywhere, then use madwifi to act as AP + host at the same time.
[06:34] <Astrozombie> Rapid what am i looking for.
[06:34] <Red_Death> it's playing back now, but I get no sound
[06:34] <arrenlex> Red_Death: ....pastebin?
[06:34] <Astrozombie> the words atheros?
[06:34] <Red_Death> arrenlex: about to
[06:34] <rapid-> Astrozombie: yes./ i will brb.! gtg
[06:34] <XiXaQ> how can I find out how much RAM I need in order to run Ubuntu without swap?
[06:34] <Astrozombie> It seems i dont see that.
[06:35] <adaptr> XiXaQ: run ubuntu for a week.. do everything with it that you need to.. then see what the maximum used amount of virtual memory was
[06:35] <adaptr> XiXaQ: that is how much ram you will need
[06:35] <XiXaQ> how can I see the maximum used amount of virtual memory?
[06:36] <adaptr> XiXaQ: the trick is, of course, that you cannot in advance know which programs you will run a year from now
[06:36] <Keyseir> I just got a new usb 2 card. Installed it, seems like it's working. How do I figure out the /dev/whatever of the external hard drive I connected? It used to be sda or sda1 on my usb1 slot.
[06:36] <XiXaQ> adaptr, yes, I can. :)
[06:36] <adaptr> XiXaQ: with free, you can check it regularly when you have a lot of programs running, or make a cron job to write free -m to a file every minute or so
[06:36] <Red_Death> arrenlex: http://pastebin.com/845587
[06:36] <adaptr> XiXaQ: wanna bet ?
[06:37] <XiXaQ> adaptr, sure.
[06:37] <arrenlex> Red_Death: No sound?
[06:37] <Red_Death> arrenlex: none
[06:37] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Pastebin the output of "amixer".
[06:37] <Red_Death> arrenlex: how do I get the output?
[06:38] <adaptr> XiXaQ: the point is, that even if you coudl, it is useless to try to, since a gig of swap will only cost some disk space, but running out of memory will start killing programs.. probably the render you were running for a whole week :)
[06:38] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Also, what happens if you run mplayer -ao oss 01\ -\ Hole\ In\ The\ Earth.ogg
[06:38] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Type in "amixer" and it gives you output.
[06:38] <Astrozombie> RAPID you back?
[06:38] <neurotech> How do I find out what architecture of ubuntu i'm running
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> Could someone point me in the right direction for getting a wiki (preferably moin - same as the Ubuntu one) set up on my server?  (Apache and all already up)
[06:39] <rapid-> Astrozombie: just now
[06:39] <XiXaQ> adaptr, the users of the system won't be allowed access to anything other than a few office applications.  They'll be running them from inside virtual machines. Thing is, I don't want them to use swap during normal operation because it costs too much CPU.
[06:39] <adaptr> neurotech: uname -i
[06:39] <Astrozombie> ok i went to the intel site rapid, it say they have AP firmware for my card
[06:39] <Red_Death> arrenlex: http://pastebin.com/845589
[06:39] <Astrozombie> will this work?
[06:39] <rapid-> Astrozombie: what kind of wireless card?
[06:39] <Astrozombie> Intel 2200 BG
[06:39] <neurotech> adaptr: It says "unknown"
[06:39] <Jimerson> ANyone familiar with 6.10 network issues on a G5 iMac?
[06:39] <adaptr> XiXaQ: that's...silly; using swap doesn;t use CPU, it uses disk I/O
[06:39] <adaptr> neurotech: then try uname -a
[06:40] <neurotech> okay: Linux electric-boogaloo 2.6.15-27-386 #1 PREEMPT Fri Dec 8 17:51:56 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:40] <adaptr> neurotech: what kind of cpu is it ? or did you break in ?
[06:40] <adaptr> ah.. i686 .. anything from a P-2 on up
[06:40] <neurotech> it's a AMD 64bit 3ghz
[06:40] <adaptr> neurotech: better run cat/proc/cpuinfo, then
[06:40] <rapid-> Astrozombie: grab that hostap driver. and read the docs i'd say
[06:40] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Also, what happens if you run mplayer -ao oss 01\ -\ Hole\ In\ The\ Earth.ogg
[06:41] <XiXaQ> adaptr, and disk I/O uses CPU, doesn't it? If I have 20 desktops using swap from the same drive, then the system will become very slow. Am I wrong?
[06:41] <Astrozombie> WHich one? The one made for my card? Or Intels Modded HOst AP software?
[06:41] <neurotech> adaptr: I am trying to install a deb that says "Wrong architecture: amd64"
[06:41] <lemoniceblock> hi all, I know very little about Linux command lines etc and I'm having problems getting my wireless card to work
[06:41] <adaptr> neurotech: but that will tell you what architecture your CPU *is* , notr what ubuntu you're running... that is as I said it was.. the i686, or generic x86 version, *not* the 64 bit one
[06:41] <Red_Death> arrenlex: [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Permission denied
[06:41] <Red_Death> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[06:41] <Red_Death> Audio: no sound
[06:41] <Red_Death> oh shti that's 4 lines
[06:41] <Red_Death> sorry
[06:41] <adaptr> neurotech: yes, you are not running amd64
[06:41] <Red_Death> Video: no video
[06:42] <neurotech> bugger
[06:42] <neurotech> what do I do then :(
[06:42] <adaptr> XiXaQ: if you are making this system for a number of users, then you should use decent disks.. which do not use much CPU
[06:42] <rapid-> Astrozombie: i'd say the hostapd one
[06:42] <Red_Death> XiXaQ: you should be running some sort of raid of lots of small disks or a few very fast ones if you want no speed delay
[06:42] <adaptr> leave, apparently
[06:43] <Astrozombie> have you seen that page i showed you RAPID?
[06:43] <arrenlex> Red_Death: What's the output of "groups hexy" and "ls -l /dev/dsp"?
[06:43] <Red_Death> XiXaQ: a hdd or two won't be able to support more then 2-3 users without shitloads of lag
[06:43] <adaptr> XiXaQ: how many users, and what type of connection ? or real console users ?
[06:43] <Astrozombie> becuase it says to downlaod all of them.
[06:43] <neurotech> adaptr: All I want is Xgl+Compiz to work :(
[06:43] <Red_Death> hexy : hexy adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[06:43] <adaptr> neurotech: then get those, add the right repo and off you go
[06:43] <Red_Death> crw-r--r-- 1 root root 14, 3 2006-12-27 00:16 /dev/dsp
[06:43] <rapid-> Astrozombie: you will only need drivers for your card + the hostapd
[06:43] <damion> is there a installation site for compiz on edgy
[06:43] <Red_Death> arrenlex: there ^^^
[06:43] <rapid-> !compiz
[06:43] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:43] <lemoniceblock> I'm trying to follow the instructions on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645
[06:44] <arrenlex> Red_Death: run "sudo chown root:audio /dev/dsp"
[06:44] <arrenlex> Red_Death: And then run ls -l /dev/dsp again
[06:44] <adaptr> neurotech: add this to your repos: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb dapper beryl-svn
[06:44] <lemoniceblock> and I'm kinda stuck @ step 3b ^^;;
[06:44] <adaptr> neurotech: or edgy.. up to you
[06:44] <Astrozombie> RAPID, so get the Original Host AP, not the intel version, and the AP driver for my card?
[06:44] <Red_Death> arrenlex: crw-r--r-- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-12-27 00:16 /dev/dsp
[06:44] <juanchito2006> Hello, after installing the fglrx driver and rebooting, the monitor gets out of sync. How do I fix this?
[06:44] <adaptr> neurotech: beryl, compiz sucks ballz, man
[06:45] <Red_Death> neurotech: beryl is much nicer, compiz is fail
[06:45] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Now try mplayer -ao oss 01\ -\ Hole\ In\ The\ Earth.ogg again
[06:45] <adaptr> Astrozombie: what convinces you that it is Intel ?
[06:45] <Red_Death> arrenlex: [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Permission denied
[06:45] <Red_Death> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[06:45] <Red_Death> Audio: no sound
[06:45] <neurotech> hmm
[06:45] <damion> openbox or fluxbox
[06:45] <arrenlex> xD
[06:45] <rapid-> Astrozombie, First download the original software components (links are provided), then download the Intel modifications and integrate the changes.
[06:45] <neurotech> Beryl using Xgl or?
[06:45] <Astrozombie> ok.
[06:45] <nix_ferret> Will beryl run on a ATI 7500 mobile?
[06:45] <Astrozombie> well could you guide me.
[06:45] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Oh, hold on.
[06:45] <toulouse> hello, i am having some trouble getting my sound to work.... i have had it working in the past, but i recieved a usb headset for christmas, so last night i played with settings until i got that working, well now, my normal speakers do not work, any suggestions?
[06:45] <adaptr> XiXaQ: how many users, and what type of connection ? real console users or remote logins ?
[06:45] <Red_Death> neurotech: yes, with the aiglx, not the xgl
[06:46] <Red_Death> errr that was for nix_ferret
[06:46] <missing> can anyone help me with sudo module-assistant build fglrx-kernel-source  im geting an error in make and it has to do with linux conf.h missing?
[06:46] <missing> !pastebin
[06:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:46] <adaptr> neurotech: certainly, works like friggin rocket science here :) well, like rockets, anyway
[06:46] <juanchito2006> !display
[06:46] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:47] <neurotech> hmmm
[06:47] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Run "sudo chmod 660 /dev/dsp" and ls -l /dev/dsp again
[06:47] <adaptr> wow.. that's horrible advice
[06:47] <arrenlex> !who | adaptr
[06:47] <ubotu> adaptr: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say, or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :)
[06:47] <Astrozombie> Conan is gettting Heckled
[06:47] <Red_Death> arrenlex: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-12-27 00:16 /dev/dsp
[06:47] <rapid-> Astrozombie, theres lots of documentation, all i would be doing is reading it then guiding you.. It would be much easier for you to do that stuff yourself, heck you might even learn something
[06:48] <adaptr> I was talking to you, actually, botty-boy; if you did /etc/init.d/?dm restart and had all three installed it would start gdm, kdm AND xdm....
[06:48] <XiXaQ> adaptr, they are remote users on a their own virtual machine.
[06:48] <Astrozombie> Ok ill see what i can do.
[06:48] <toulouse> hey does anyone in here know much about sound stuff? im having some trouble getting my speakers to work now
[06:48] <toulouse> they have worked in past
[06:48] <arrenlex> Red_Death: And does mplayer -ao oss 01\ -\ Hole\ In\ The\ Earth.ogg work yet? *fingercross*
[06:48] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Because I'm out of ideas. xD
[06:48] <Astrozombie> RAPID do have to use tha WPA for it to work?
[06:48] <Red_Death> arrenlex: works, no sound though :P
[06:48] <adaptr> XiXaQ: erm.. on their own virtual remote machine.. using what ? VNC ? FreeNX ? XDMCP ? what ?
[06:48] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Yay and crap.
[06:48] <Red_Death> indeed
[06:48] <timfrost> missing: have you done 'sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)'?
[06:48] <trev_> why don't the ubuntu repositories have games like cube and alien arena?
[06:48] <slew> anyone know where i can find a Lexmark ppd?!?!
[06:49] <missing> tim: yes already done that
[06:49] <xavier__> help
[06:49] <Red_Death> arrenlex: apparently there is some easy fix for this stupid flash error but the guy that knew it left before telling me >:E
[06:49] <neurotech> Beryl isnt working so far, awesome! :(
[06:49] <missing> tim: heres my pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38984/ and my headers are installed and everything
[06:49] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Really.
[06:49] <Red_Death> arrenlex: really.
[06:49] <rapid-> Astrozombie: you don't have to use any authentication, thats up to you. i strongly suggest using some form of auth.
[06:49] <adaptr> trev_: why don't you install them from source ?
[06:49] <arrenlex> Red_Death: If you ever do hear this magical fix, let me know.
[06:49] <xavier__> lp
[06:49] <XiXaQ> adaptr, nx.
[06:49] <Red_Death> arrenlex: indeed, it's probobly some niche error that has been happening randomly to people
[06:49] <Astrozombie> RAPID Im only doing this for my nintendo ds
[06:50] <trev_> adaptr:that is hard, are there repos out there with them?
[06:50] <Red_Death> trev_: cube is in the repos, you just need to include it, have you moditifed your sources.list to include everything?
[06:50] <toulouse> anyone have any suggestions to getting some speakers to work with ubuntu? they used to work, but i configured a usb headset and now they willnot
[06:50] <missing> tim: i looked at the output and it look like it cant find linux/conf.h
[06:50] <trev_> i think so
[06:50] <rapid-> Astrozombie: thats up to you then, don't forget your neighbours may be able to access it :)
[06:50] <arrenlex> Red_Death: The last suggestion I have is "sudo wget http://arrenlex.diff.be/asound.conf -O/etc/asound.conf && sudo /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload" and see if that helps matters.
[06:50] <toulouse> i have changed back the settings, but no luck
[06:50] <adaptr> XiXaQ: ah.. NOW we're getting somewhere... and the need for separate virtual servers for each user is.. ? because, as you coulda thoughta outa for yourself, you can limit each virtual server to a specific amount of memory, so your problem would never come up
[06:50] <missing> tim: is there a way of inserting it?
[06:50] <adaptr> trev_: that is not hard, don't be silly
[06:51] <arrenlex> Red_Death: If not, "sudo rm /etc/asound.conf" and I don't know how to help you  = /
[06:51] <rgatin> can anybody help me with with a wifi device that i want to install in Ubuntu? plz
[06:51] <Red_Death> arrenlex: that doesn't work
[06:51] <adaptr> trev_: which is funner, the alien thing or the other one ?
[06:51] <arrenlex> Red_Death: What doesn't work?
[06:51] <Red_Death> arrenlex: that script
[06:51] <trev_> adaptr:could you point me to a guide that tells me how to compile from source?
[06:51] <missing> rgatin: have u tired installing ndis wrapper?
[06:51] <rapid-> !compile
[06:51] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:51] <arrenlex> Red_Death: "doesn't work"?
[06:51] <rapid-> trev_:
[06:51] <Red_Death> arrenlex: hexy@Fail:~/Deftones/Saturday Night Wrist$ sudo bash asound.conf
[06:51] <Red_Death> asound.conf: line 1: pcm.card0: command not found
[06:51] <Red_Death> asound.conf: line 3: type: hw: not found
[06:51] <Red_Death> asound.conf: line 5: card: command not found
[06:51] <neurotech> adaptr / Red_Death: How do I "uninstall" XGL?
[06:51] <Red_Death> etc...
[06:51] <rapid-> !paste
[06:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:51] <rgatin> you see, i am very new to Ubuntu
[06:51] <rgatin> i don't know where to get it
[06:52] <arrenlex> Red_Death: ...really. o_O
[06:52] <rapid-> Red_Death: thats for you
[06:52] <Red_Death> rapid-: I thought less then 3 lines was ok for no pastebin?
[06:52] <trev_> thx
[06:52] <rapid-> thats 4 :)
[06:52] <Red_Death> oh shit that was four
[06:52] <Red_Death> damnit
[06:52] <Red_Death> sorry I can't cout
[06:52] <Red_Death> or spell
[06:52] <lemoniceblock> ah, I'm having some problems with my wifi card too
[06:52] <rapid-> good old wifi
[06:52] <Red_Death> heh
[06:52] <lemoniceblock> yeah lol xD
[06:52] <arrenlex> Red_Death: Uh, that shouldn't happen. So I don't know... sorry. = /
[06:52] <missing> lemoniceblock: have u tried installing ndis wrapper?
[06:52] <lemoniceblock> yep
[06:52] <rapid-> lol
[06:52] <Red_Death> arrenlex: fuck, alright, thansk
[06:53] <lemoniceblock> and I'm trying to follow the instructions @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645
[06:53] <lemoniceblock> but I'm stuck ^^
[06:53] <rapid-> lemoniceblock: what card is that?
[06:53] <lemoniceblock> hehe, same here, rapid =P
[06:53] <XiXaQ> adaptr, well, no. If I limit the vms ram, then it'll start using its own swap. That'll still slow down the system?
[06:53] <lemoniceblock> linksys
[06:53] <lemoniceblock> WPC54G
[06:53] <lemoniceblock> version 4
[06:53] <rapid-> theres no linux drivers for this carD?
[06:53] <rgatin> do i need to download it or is it in the package already?
[06:53] <adaptr> trev_: http://files.filefront.com/CodeRED_Alien_Arena__Linux_Version/;3947422;;/fileinfo.html not good enough for you ?
[06:53] <lemoniceblock> I don't think so, I just downloaded ubuntu and it's not working so...
[06:54] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: it's in the CD too
[06:54] <trev_> adaptr:thx
[06:54] <adaptr> XiXaQ: that was my question: WHY use separate machines for each user ? use ulimit like a sane admin, and *the problem never comes up*
[06:54] <trev_> but this has motivated me to learn how to build things from source
[06:54] <rapid-> lemoniceblock: thats not surprising, lots of things don't just work out of the box.
[06:54] <lemoniceblock> ^^;;
[06:55] <juanchito2006> which is more recommended, the latest ATi driver or the one in the repositories?
[06:55] <rgatin> lemoniceblock: ok, i already installed Ubuntu on my laptop. how do i find ndiswrapper
[06:55] <curs0r> is feisty worth it?
[06:55] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: do you have the CD?
[06:55] <rapid-> rgatin: google finds everything
[06:55] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: buying an nvidia card :P
[06:55] <adaptr> curs0r: worth *what* ?
[06:55] <XiXaQ> adaptr, there are a large number of reasons why they need their own vm. What is ulimit?
[06:55] <curs0r> the ffort/trouble/confusion?
[06:55] <missing> lemoniceblock: did u already do a lspci to see if its there?
[06:55] <rgatin> lemoniceblock: yes, i do
[06:55] <Red_Death> curs0r: just wait a few months
[06:55] <adaptr> curs0r: personally, I would not give 2 cents for it...and I don't have to, either
[06:55] <lemoniceblock> ok ehm, I think how I did it was
[06:56] <Red_Death> curs0r: instead, install beryl on your current edgy install
[06:56] <adaptr> XiXaQ: what is.. oh . migod
[06:56] <juanchito2006> Red_Death: True, I was thinking on a 7600 GT, but I want to play Stepmania now.
[06:56] <adaptr> XiXaQ: google for it, please - you can restrict resource usage per user
[06:56] <curs0r> i have it and it rox, just played quake4 at 1280x1024 with 50% opacity
[06:56] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: I put the CD in and this message showed up asking if I wanted it to load packages or something
[06:56] <linux_user400354> im trying to rip+encode with grip. grip is complaining "Invalid encoder executable. Check your encoder config, and ensure it specifies the full path to the encoder executable." I looked for the config and didnt find anything about oggenc in my home. oggenc works from the command line, so why is grip complaining?
[06:56] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: lol stepmania, i used to love that game, I got sick of it eventually though, got too easy after a while, even with the crazy 19foot songs
[06:57] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: click Yes, and it should load Synaptic Package Manager automatically
[06:57] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: ever heard of arch0wl?
[06:57] <adaptr> XiXaQ: is this a business machine you will be building ?
[06:57] <juanchito2006> Red_Death: No, tell me more
[06:57] <slew> anyone know where i can find a Lexmark ppd?!?!
[06:57] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: and I think I typed ndiswrapper in the search bar and selected all the ndiswrapper components for d/l
[06:57] <XiXaQ> adaptr, perhaps, in time.
[06:57] <violot> Anyone's Emacs messed up in Edgy update?
[06:57] <adaptr> slew: if linuxprinting.org doesn't have it, your chances are not good.
[06:57] <violot> I get boxes instead of text
[06:57] <missing> can anyone help me with sudo module-assistant build fglrx-kernel-source  im geting an error in make and it has to do with linux/conf.h missing?
[06:57] <slew> =[
[06:57] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: he got banned from stepmania online in 5 games because he got AAAA's on some of the hardest songs available at the time, that was my friend :P he lives like 45  minutes away from me
[06:58] <rgatin> lemoniceblock: i already have SPM installed, should i try to install the ndis... package from there?
[06:58] <adaptr> XiXaQ: how do you mean, in time ? it either is or it isn't, and if it is, just put as much RAM in as it will hold, be that 2GB, 4GB or more
[06:58] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: he taught me how to kick total ass at stepmania, I was never as good as him, but it was fun while it lasted
[06:58] <rapid-> missing: that looks like you don'
[06:58] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: sry, I d/l'd ubuntu like only today so I don't know what SPM is >.<""
[06:58] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: do a youtube search for arch0wl or on google video
[06:58] <rapid-> missing: that looks like you don't have the kernel source.
[06:58] <XiXaQ> adaptr, the physical machine has limits regarding the amounts of ram.
[06:58] <juanchito2006> Red_Death: Doing it...
[06:59] <adaptr> XiXaQ: the simple reason being, you will be at leisure to experiment with solutions that are more elegant than whoppig out a new VM for every user, and still do what you want to do now
[06:59] <missing> rapid: but i do its a spanking new 2.19 kernel vanilla
[06:59] <rgatin> lemoniceblock: sorry, SPM stands fro Synaptic Package Manager
[06:59] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: http://gprime.net/video.php/quasar
[06:59] <rapid-> missing: 2.19 thats not new at all afaik
[06:59] <adaptr> XiXaQ: every machine has, I'm just asking what yours are -since, if it is too limited, it obviously won't be able to do what you want
[06:59] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: np, when I put in the CD, and clicked 'yes' (or something to that effect when a message popped up) SPM loaded automatically
[06:59] <adaptr> rapid-: not new ? you run 2.20 already ?
[06:59] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: you got pm
[07:00] <missing> rapid my 2.18.1 vanill a conpiled just fine used the same config and reinstalled the same drivers but its a new kernel for me
[07:00] <XiXaQ> adaptr, 32GB I think.
[07:00] <juanchito2006> Red_Death: ?
[07:00] <Astrozombie> RAPID....sorry to bug you again. I dunno how to make the install.
[07:00] <adaptr> XiXaQ: and how many users are we talking about ?
[07:00] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: and I found ndiswrapper through SPM, but I think you need to insert the CD just so SPM can find the ndiswrapper package?
[07:00] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: nvm they're 404ing
[07:00] <rapid-> adaptr: i've got a 2.6.19 kernel
[07:00] <Red_Death> juanchito2006: just google search arch0wl video, you'll find it
[07:00] <XiXaQ> adaptr, as many as possible. That's what I'm trying to find out; how many users I have room for.
[07:01] <rapid-> Astrozombie: you'll have to read the documentation, i'm _sure_ it will help
[07:01] <toulouse> hey guys, how do i go about making sure that no channels are muted in ALSA?
[07:01] <adaptr> XiXaQ: then the first thing you have to determine is hw much memory ONE user will need, definitively
[07:01] <Red_Death> toulouse: alsamixer in terminal
[07:01] <Astrozombie> there is no install insturctiions - _ -
[07:01] <rgatin> lemoniceblock: can i let the SPM find and install the ndis... thru the internet
[07:01] <toulouse> Red_Death: so i type alsamixer?
[07:01] <adaptr> XiXaQ: that is all the info you need with such a VM solution, but it is rarely the best solution for a given problem
[07:01] <Red_Death> toulouse: indeed
[07:01] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: I'm sure you can do that too
[07:02] <XiXaQ> adaptr, exactly. But the first user has alot of overhead, since he's also in his own vm.
[07:02] <toulouse> Red_Death: it says no mixer elems found
[07:02] <toulouse> any suggestions
[07:02] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: actually ndiswrapper has its own site, just google ndiswrapper and you should find it
[07:02] <Astrozombie> RAPID, all it has is a make file.
[07:02] <adaptr> XiXaQ: *every* user has the same overhead
[07:02] <XiXaQ> adaptr, no.
[07:02] <lemoniceblock> rgatin: but learning how to use ndiswrapper is where I'm stuck right now >.<""
[07:02] <rapid-> Astrozombie: try type ./configure
[07:02] <Red_Death> toulouse: i'm having my own sound problems now, but it doesn't look like your card is being detected, ask arrenlex for help
[07:02] <adaptr> XiXaQ: you;'re making sure of that by assigning a VM to every user
[07:02] <toulouse> oky
[07:02] <rapid-> lemoniceblock: ndiswrapper has documentation
[07:02] <adaptr> XiXaQ: you're making less and less sense
[07:03] <missing> rapid: let me to try ln -s linux-2.6.19 again maybe that will help
[07:03] <lemoniceblock> rapid-: k, thanx, I'll take a look but I'm not v good at computers ^^
[07:03] <toulouse> arrenlex: when i type alsamixer into the terminal, it says no mixer elems found, do you know what this means?
[07:03] <n2diy> anybody know of software for generating monitor test patterns?
[07:03] <Astrozombie> RAPID, Do have to go to the folder directory first?
[07:03] <rapid-> lemoniceblock: thats the reason DOCS are there, to help you. how the hell would you know how to do anything without docs
[07:03] <rapid-> Astrozombie: yes. from a terminal.
[07:03] <Red_Death> lol
[07:03] <Red_Death> arrenlex: nice
[07:03] <rgatin> lemoinceblock: same here
[07:04] <arrenlex> toulouse: You know all that stuff you see in advanced volume control? "Master, pcm\wave, surround, 3D", all that crap? It's not finding those.
[07:04] <arrenlex> toulouse: Which basically means there's a misconfiguration with your card.
[07:04] <toulouse> hmm.. that
[07:04] <Red_Death> arrenlex: rebooting, brbb
[07:04] <toulouse> is not good
[07:04] <arrenlex> toulouse: Did it ever work? Did you break it somehow?
[07:04] <toulouse> yes, i broke it, i configured a usb headset
[07:04] <toulouse> it worked, (the headset) but now my speakers will not work
[07:04] <Astrozombie> RAPID i did cd /desktop folder.  then ./configure, gave me "./configure no such file or directory"
[07:05] <arrenlex> toulouse: Hmm. That's difficult. I don't have experience with such a configuration.
[07:05] <arrenlex> toulouse: And I also have to go. = /
[07:05] <toulouse> ok, thanks anyways
[07:05] <rapid-> Astrozombie: you have to change into the directory the file uncompressed.
[07:05] <arrenlex> toulouse: Sorry, and good luck.
[07:05] <rapid-> Astrozombie: then try, less README or less INSTALL
[07:05] <Astrozombie> RAPID I extracted to the desktop.
[07:06] <Astrozombie> Rapid Neither worked.
[07:06] <bung> sorry to ask, but do you 'defrag' an ext3 fs?
[07:06] <missing> can anyone help me with sudo module-assistant build fglrx-kernel-source  im geting an error in make and it has to do with linux/conf.h missing? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38984/
[07:06] <missing> bung: no u dont
[07:07] <barata> salut a tous .... qqn a un probleme aussi avec BERYL et INTEL 855?
[07:07] <bung> i just get a bit worried when ive been sitting on the last 4gb of my drive, deleting/adding for a while... it wont get corrupt?
[07:07] <barata> it might
[07:08] <barata> is it a USB-hd?
[07:08] <missing> bung: no the ext3 fs actually creates empty spaces to let files grow
[07:08] <Twinxor> hey there, what's the preferred DVD playing software?
[07:08] <Twinxor> DeCSS capability isn't needed :)
[07:08] <barata> LinDVD
[07:08] <bung> missing, ok thanks m8
[07:08] <missing> ive been up to 99% full and ive had no slow down
[07:08] <barata> or vlc
[07:08] <barata> or mplayer
[07:08] <Twinxor> vlc knows about chapters and such on a DVD?
[07:09] <barata> oh yes
[07:09] <Twinxor> for whatever reason totem isn't cooperating
[07:09] <barata> vlc is the greatest player for avi mpeg too ... even on winzit
[07:10] <Astrozombie> RAPID i went to the website of hostap
[07:10] <PrimeHex> I'm back
[07:10] <Twinxor> I usually use MPC on win, but it's nice how VLC is cross-platform
[07:10] <Astrozombie> and there are no installation instructions.
[07:10] <klees> is it possible for me to compile the stock fglrx kernel module against a custom kernel?
[07:10] <PrimeHex> where'd the one guy go...aksomething
[07:10] <violot> Where do you disable the system bell in Gnome and replace it with a visible bell?
[07:10] <toulouse> hey any1 no about audio config stuff???
[07:11] <violot> I had it in Beryl but now I'm just metacity
[07:11] <DJAdmiral> Hey
[07:11] <PrimeHex> toulouse: where'd the guy I told you to talk to go?
[07:11] <toulouse> lol he had to go
[07:11] <PrimeHex> oh bummer
[07:11] <klees> anyone??
[07:11] <toulouse> he didnt know about my problem anyways
[07:11] <PrimeHex> oh
[07:11] <Jimerson> Anyone familiar with network problems in 6.10 on a G5 iMac?
[07:12] <klees> is it possible for me to compile the stock fglrx kernel module against a custom kernel?
[07:12] <toulouse> ima try a good ol' reset and see if that helps me
[07:13] <missing> kless: well it comes already compiled with the packgae i would imagine but if u have the source u can
[07:13] <Ha1> I dont suppose there are any [Australian]  OptusNet users on here?
[07:13] <klees> missing: there r sources in the repository, but the sources seem specific to the stock kernel
[07:14] <Ha1> Im a newbie whos using  OptusNet as my ISP, and it seems to be disagreeing with Ubuntu.
[07:14] <Astrozombie> RAPID you still there?
[07:15] <Astrozombie> nevermind ill try dis tomorrow.
[07:16] <mdious> Hal:  what is the problem, most people have trouble with something not agreeing with a modem or some such device hehe
[07:16] <missing> kless: u want the stock fireglrx drivers or the newer ones? check this one out http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[07:16] <Ha1> I keep on having to manually dis/re connecting using Sudo poff dsl-provider and sudo-pon dsl-provider
[07:16] <ash> Any ideas on how to send the switch vdesktop hotkey/spin the cube automatically every 10 seconds? alt+cltr+right style.
[07:17] <Ha1> And it sign me out of Gaim every time
[07:17] <Ha1> Thing is, I only know its disconnected me when a webpage doest load, or, about 15 mins after sending am message, Gaim teels me it cant be sent
[07:17] <neurotech> Beryl is not working at all for me :(
[07:18] <hkq35> I think the Internet today is very slow
[07:18] <PrimeHex> neurotech: what are you using? edgy?
[07:18] <neurotech> 6.06 dapper
[07:18] <neurotech>  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:18] <PrimeHex> neurotech: either way, join #ubuntu-beryl i belive, they're better at this
[07:18] <blujay> neurotech: what driver?
[07:18] <Ha1> Ideally, its not the problem that needs fixing;; all I need is some kind of macro or way to automate the whole process
[07:18] <neurotech> fglrx
[07:18] <hkq35> a lot of sites are not working , MSN , yahoo , a lot of troubles
[07:18] <blujay> neurotech: have you enabled the dri extension in X?
[07:19] <neurotech> Section "DRI"
[07:19] <neurotech> 	Mode         0666
[07:19] <neurotech> EndSection
[07:19] <neurotech> ?
[07:19] <mdious> hal:  are you using dialup?
[07:19] <blujay> neurotech: no, one moment...
[07:19] <Ha1> Nah, Im using Optusnet broadband.
[07:19] <__mikem> neurotech, your DRI section is in evil mode
[07:20] <missing> neurotech: enter sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure in the end of the file u have dri enabled
[07:20] <neurotech> it has to be the end?
[07:20] <blujay> neurotech: they seem to know more than I do...I don't even have anything like that in my file, but I'm on nvidia
[07:20] <chuckwest_> Hey!
[07:20] <mdious> Hal:  I am on dialup..probably always will be beacuse i love living in country victoria in the middle of no where...not much experience with broadband but doesn't it just plug in with ethernet and away you go?
[07:20] <PrimeHex> it differs a lot from new cards to old, edgy to others, etc
[07:21] <PrimeHex> mdious: indeed
[07:21] <neurotech> blujay: They?
[07:21] <Ha1> Basically, thats how it works, especially on Windows
[07:21] <blujay> neurotech: the two that responded to you after me
[07:21] <Ha1> But it just doesnt seem to be wanting to work for me
[07:21] <Ha1> Here on Edgy
[07:22] <neurotech> missing: So it has to be at the very end?
[07:22] <PrimeHex> WTF THEY FINALLY INCLUDED SNOW IN BERYL 0.1.4 YES!
[07:22] <PrimeHex> sorry
[07:23] <mdious> Hal:  sorry if this is making you sound dumb, but is your ethernet card and all that set to receive by dhcp or whatever OptusNet expect you to do?
[07:23] <missing> neuro: Section "DRI"
[07:23] <missing> 	Mode         0666
[07:23] <missing> EndSection
[07:23] <missing> look for that
[07:23] <Ha1> To be honest, Im quite a newb at this kind of thing, so I wouldnt know.
[07:23] <Ha1> Although my Ubuntu BB settings say its done by DHCP
[07:24] <DJAdmiral> mdious: I helped him connect to the internet by means of the PPPoE connection setup in the ubuntu offline help thingo.
[07:24] <DJAdmiral> ethernet refused to work otherwise
[07:24] <mdious> there is broadband settings in ubuntu?
[07:24] <barata> hi, google allows to have a web page for free.. do you know the address?
[07:25] <DJAdmiral> barata: www.googlepages.com
[07:25] <barata> thanks DJAdmiral!
[07:25] <chuckwest_> http://pages.google.com/
[07:25] <missing> can anyone help me with sudo module-assistant build fglrx-kernel-source  im geting an error in make and it has to do with linux/conf.h missing? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38984/
[07:25] <DJAdmiral> Any of the two will work.
[07:26] <mdious> DJAdmiral:  if you set up his connection thing does he/she have to keep doing that poff pon stuff?
[07:26] <DJAdmiral> mdious: Yeah.
[07:27] <mdious> DJAdmiral:  what a bugger...strange about the ethernet not working :(
[07:28] <DJAdmiral> mdious: Blame optusnut.
[07:28] <mdious> Hal:  sorry can't help you...seems like one of those things where you really have to 'be there' hehe...well for me anyway because I'm incompetent and apologise for being no help at all
[07:28] <Ha1> Nah, its fine. Thanks for your time
[07:28] <DJAdmiral> mdious: Hey you tried - thanks anyway :P
[07:28] <mdious> DJAdmiral:  I don't see how an ISP would affect someones ethernet card working/not working
[07:29] <DJAdmiral> mdious: one of the ISPs in Belgium requires you to CALL them to request port forwarding. That's a VERY good example.
[07:29] <toulouse> hey guys, any1 have any sound knowledge? my sound isnt workin
[07:29] <fr3ak> I want*.deb files in /var/cache/apt dir to cd/dvd !! is it possible?
[07:29] <toulouse> it used to work
[07:29] <toulouse> (i broke it)
[07:30] <PrimeHex> toulouse: were you using flash?
[07:30] <mdious> DJAdmiral:  yeah but having working ethernet isn't too much to ask of them is it :P
[07:30] <toulouse> no sire
[07:30] <toulouse> *sir
[07:30] <PrimeHex> oh
[07:30] <Jimerson> Anyone familiar with network issues in 6.10 on an iMac G5?
[07:30] <toulouse> im just trying to get sound to work at all
[07:31] <mdious> freak:  there was a post about doing something on linux australia mailing list i can look it up if you want?
[07:31] <DJAdmiral> mdious: optus refuses to actually offer linux support.
[07:32] <mdious> DJAdmiral:  I had good times with telstra on the phone when i set up slackware...trying to get the right ppp settings hehe..."I"m using linux, it's not windows and it's not mac..."...."then what is it" lol....but did get it sorted in the end :)
[07:32] <toulouse> any1 know sound stuff?
[07:33] <mdious> freak:  check out a tool called Apt-cacher
[07:33] <DJAdmiral> toulouse: My sound's just fine. I could show you my sound properties, that might help
[07:33] <toulouse> ok
[07:33] <mdious> *fr3ak:  check out a tool called Apt-cacher
[07:33] <toulouse> i did the aplay thing in the terminal, and i shows my card
[07:33] <DJAdmiral> right click your volume icon and open up volume control
[07:34] <violot> SWEEEEEEET!
[07:34] <violot> FIXED!
[07:34] <toulouse> ya, none are muted
[07:34] <DJAdmiral> toulose: turn everything except for master up
[07:34] <violot> Fixed font issue too :)
[07:34] <hkq35> toulouse try system>preferences>sound , sound tab uncheck enable software sound mixing. give it a try again
[07:34] <fr3ak> mdious, what it does?
[07:34] <violot> YAYYYYYYY!
[07:35] <toulouse> ok, this might help, when i try to use xmms, it says "please check that : your soundcard is conf
[07:35] <Twinxor> darn, where does VLC save snapshots by default?
[07:35] <mdious> fr3ak:  i think it has something to do with moving stuff around from /var/apt/cache but not sure....just thought it might help you out
[07:35] <toulouse> and you have correct output plugin
[07:35] <juanchito2006> Hello, after installing the fglrx driver and rebooting, the monitor gets out of sync. How do I fix this?
[07:35] <violot> Holy crap!
[07:35] <XiXaQ> how do I prevent Xorg from starting up after boot?
[07:36] <DJAdmiral> XiXaQ: You'll need to boot up into recovery mode for that.
[07:36] <erpo> XiXaQ: Edit /etc/inittab
[07:36] <mdious> XiXaQ:  do you mean booting to a command line?
[07:36] <erpo> XiXaQ: Yeah, actually, try recovery mode first. If that doesn't meet your needs, then edit inittab to change your runlevel.
[07:36] <toulouse> hkq35: i unchecked esd, but that did not help
[07:36] <XiXaQ> mdious, yes.. I want a normal boot, except I don't want Xorg to startup, only a commandline login.
[07:36] <mdious> DJAdmiral:  you don't have to be in recovery you just change the default run level and reboot right?
[07:37] <judgen> logs tell me that i dont have glcore anymore since i updated xorg, what do i do?
[07:37] <DJAdmiral> XiXaQ, mdious: Ctrl+Alt+F1 :P
[07:37] <mdious> top of DJAdmiral suggestion (/etc/inittab) change this section:  # The default runlevel.
[07:37] <mdious> id:2:initdefault:
[07:37] <XiXaQ> mdious, which runlevel do I want?
[07:38] <toulouse> anyone have any sound knowledge? mine isnt working
[07:38] <XiXaQ> mdious, I can't find any /etc/inittab file
[07:38] <mdious> rc0.d - System Halted
[07:38] <mdious> rc1.d - Single User Mode
[07:38] <mdious> rc2.d - Single User Mode with Networking
[07:38] <mdious> rc3.d - Multi-User Mode - boot up in text mode
[07:38] <mdious> rc4.d - Not yet Defined
[07:38] <mdious> rc5.d - Multi-User Mode - boot up in X Windows
[07:38] <missing> toulouse: hey try this
[07:38] <mdious> rc6.d - Shutdown & Reboot
[07:39] <mdious> XiXaQ:  I have never heard of that sorry i don't think i could help at all
[07:39] <Valmarko> What programs should I use to configure sound my way ?
[07:39] <XiXaQ> mdious, you already have :)
[07:39] <missing> "alsamixer" and make sure you dont any of the volumes down and that the digital spdif is not on
[07:39] <missing> telouse: did u get that?
[07:39] <toulouse> ok
[07:40] <toulouse> umm lemme check about the spdif
[07:40] <missing> can anyone help me with sudo module-assistant build fglrx-kernel-source  im geting an error in make and it has to do with linux/conf.h missing? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38984/
[07:40] <mdious> XiXaQ:  i thought you didn't have a /etc/inittab?
[07:40] <Valmarko> tanks
[07:40] <toulouse> missing: what is the spdif thing?
[07:40] <XiXaQ> mdious, I don't seem to. But now I know what the different runlevels are :)
[07:40] <mdious> XiXaQ:  might help on the missing file:  http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/256/25689.html
[07:41] <sid> Is it me, or does rhythmbox crash a lot when dealing with lots of diverse files(lots being 20+ gigs)
[07:41] <sid> ie, loading them
[07:41] <missing> toulouse: its also a digital output for digital speakers
[07:41] <XiXaQ> mdious, I found this one though: /usr/lib/upstart/migrate-inittab.pl <-- has that got anything to do with anything?
[07:41] <toulouse> hmm. i dont seem to see it anywhere on the sound mixer
[07:41] <missing> toulouse: let me check my alsamixer to give u better information on what should be off
[07:42] <mdious> XiXaQ:  could not tell...maybe if you try an slocate inittab or something....are you on ubuntu?  anyway i must go...tea awaits and i feel a bit dizzy....sorry to be no help, I hope you get it sorted out and that someone else can help you...if not google should :)
[07:42] <mdious> Catcha Later everyone, thanks for the company.
[07:42] <toulouse> missing: it has a list of devices when i type aplay --list-devices in the terminal
[07:43] <missing> it should have 2
[07:43] <toulouse> missing: actually, it's two devices, both are intel soundcards
[07:43] <Valmarko> !LFE
[07:43] <missing> what is your snd card?
[07:43] <toulouse> intel ich5
[07:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about LFE - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:43] <Ashton_Ke> Good morning
[07:43] <missing> whats your motherboard?
[07:43] <TooR4u> any body works with gmailfs?
[07:43] <toulouse> umm, i believe it's american megatrends or something like that
[07:43] <Ashton_Ke> I've got Dapper on my system at the moment, just got nvidia-glx working, can anyone tell me what command I need to run to update to edgy?
[07:43] <toulouse> the sound Used to work
[07:43] <TooR4u> how to mount gmailfs ..? i got this link .......http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem-using.html
[07:44] <toulouse> missing: but i made a usb headset work last night, and i think it messed up the settings, cause now the speakers dont work (normal comp. speakers)
[07:44] <levander> What are the things called in GNOME that are basically like part of the desktop wallpaper background, but that will show things like disk cpu utilization, temperatures...
[07:44] <levander> ?
[07:44] <neurotech> Does anyone have an ati X800?
[07:45] <neurotech> X800 XL*
[07:45] <XiXaQ> erpo, I'm on edgy. I have two edgy installations and none of them have /etc/inittab?
[07:45] <toulouse> levander: it's a program called "conky"
[07:45] <toulouse> levander: search for it in synaptic
[07:45] <missing> neuro: was it there?
[07:46] <neurotech> yeah missing
[07:46] <levander> toulouse: "conky - highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo" - what is torsmo?
[07:46] <TooR4u> any body works with gmailfs?
[07:46] <dug> hi
[07:46] <Ashton_Ke> What do I need to tell apt-get to do in order to upgrade to edgy?
[07:46] <neurotech> missing: Should I be using XGL or AIGLX? I have an ati x800 XL
[07:46] <Valmarko> AlsaMixer is showing me the options LFE and IEC958. What do theu mean?
[07:46] <Ashton_Ke> (Since the live CD hates my graphics card by default)
[07:46] <toulouse> levander: quite the extent of my knowledge, but i believe that it is what conky is based on
[07:46] <levander> toulouse: ah, okay - now i see
[07:46] <levander> toulouse: thanks for telling me about conky
[07:47] <toulouse> np
[07:47] <missing> toulouse: well i dont know much about that but maybe i had a problem on my old pc where i coulld not get the volume up unless i used mplayer to raise the volume
[07:47] <toulouse> hmm. thanks for tryin to help anyways
[07:47] <missing> neuro: Xgl is the ati one
[07:47] <toulouse> i think i broke these settings pretty good
[07:47] <variant> Ashton_Ke: change dapper to edgy in /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:47] <variant> Ashton_Ke: do the dist-upgrade twice
[07:47] <violot> How do you disable the system bell in Gnome?
[07:47] <variant> Ashton_Ke: and your finnished
[07:48] <Ashton_Ke> Thank you.
[07:48] <Ashton_Ke> (Wanted to get it started while I sleep)
[07:48] <Ashton_Ke> Since I figure it's not exactly a 20 second process.
[07:48] <variant> Ashton_Ke: if you have fast connection it doesnt take long
[07:49] <levander> Ashton_Ke: wait, you're supposed to use update-manager to go to edgy
[07:49] <missing> violot: if for some reason no one can tell you just install kcontrol and u can do it from there
[07:49] <levander> Ashton_Ke: don't do it with just apt-get
[07:49] <levander> Ashton_Ke: and, it's a bitch for a lot of people to go up to edgy
[07:49] <levander> Ashton_Ke: make sure you have some time in case of trouble
[07:49] <Trentster> hey all, can someone please tell me how I can stop edgy from installing a 2.6.17-10-386 kernel when it downloads updates , I need the 2.6.17-10-generic as 386 breaks multicore support and frequency scaling amongst other things......???
[07:50] <violot> Found it, System->Preferences->Sound
[07:50] <levander> Trentster: read about pinning on the wiki
[07:50] <missing> neuro: so your having problems with xgl?
[07:51] <levander> Trentster: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[07:51] <neurotech> missing: I was using AIGLX lol
[07:51] <neurotech> Trying XGL now.
[07:52] <missing> neuro: yeah i installed it already its works bad ass
[07:52] <Ashton_Ke> levander, this is an experimental machine.
[07:52] <Ashton_Ke> Not a production one, I can handle some glitchyness.
[07:52] <levander> Has anyone seen an honest (i.e. no zealotry) comparison between KDE Ubuntu and GNOME Ubuntu?
[07:52] <missing> can anyone help me with sudo module-assistant build fglrx-kernel-source  im geting an error in make and it has to do with linux/conf.h missing? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38984/
[07:53] <levander> Ashton_Ke: all right, if you want to spend the time with messing with it
[07:53] <missing> lavender: what do u mean? what do u want to know in particualar?
[07:53] <Ashton_Ke> levander: I think it's more of a preference thing, unless if some of the underlying architecture is different.
[07:53] <levander> Ashton_Ke: make sure you have a valid meta-package installed for a kernel
[07:53] <Ashton_Ke> And I would do that how...?
[07:53] <levander> Ashton_Ke: and another thing that screwed me up pretty bad was just having xtoolwait installed
[07:53] <levander> Ashton_Ke: there were a couple of other things, but I can't remember them off the top of my head.
[07:53] <missing> lavender u know about kernels?
[07:54] <levander> missing: well, i know a little bit, why?
[07:54] <levander> Ashton_Ke: "dpkg -l linux-generic"
[07:54] <dfgas> anyone a pro at samba?
[07:54] <levander> Ashton_Ke: see if that package is installed.
[07:54] <missing_> well i was trying to patch my kernel but just picking a patch is the hard part
[07:54] <levander> dfgas: #samba
[07:54] <levander> missing_: why do you want to patch your kernel?
[07:54] <Ashton_Ke> Nope
[07:54] <Ashton_Ke> I probably should go get that
[07:54] <missing_> low latency
[07:55] <Ashton_Ke> Just apt-get it?
[07:55] <levander> Ashton_Ke: hold on, let me get you a command
[07:55] <PrimeHex> is it just me or is beryl 0.1.4 a lot more efficient as far as cpu usage goes?
[07:55] <levander> Ashton_Ke: "uname -r" first
[07:56] <levander> missing_: i've never had to mess with that
[07:56] <toulouse> hey hey guys, good news, i got my sound to work! (i guess?!?) it works in rythymbox, but not in xmms, do yall know what the problem may be?
[07:56] <Ashton_Ke> Funnily enough, that's why I'm going to edgy, so I can give beryl a go (Didn't work on Dapper last go around)
[07:56] <levander> missing_: you've got some reading to do
[07:56] <levander> missing_: i don't even know how recompiling the kernel could improve latency
[07:56] <Jimerson> Anyone know the os x terminal command for figuring out what wireless card is being used?
[07:56] <Ashton_Ke> 2.6.15-27-386
[07:56] <missing_> i have been trying to but theres nothing available in that topic that i can find even in the groups
[07:56] <levander> Ashton_Ke: you know that Ubuntu is going to have Beryl all nice and integrated (no work to set up) in April with Feisty
[07:57] <Ashton_Ke> No, I didn't know that.
[07:57] <Ashton_Ke> But I'm impatient.
[07:57] <Ashton_Ke> That and it's Christmas break.
[07:57] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: it's worth going through the work to get it now
[07:57] <Ashton_Ke> I don't doubt it.
[07:57] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: just use update manager and do the run though, last time I did it, it just took a long time with no problems
[07:57] <levander> Ashton_Ke: you know, I'm really not sure if 2.6.15 will work with the new udev stuff in Edgy or not...
[07:58] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: although I'd recomend just moving your important shit somewhere else and doing a fresh install :)
[07:58] <levander> Ashton_Ke: my problem was that I had an SMP kernel meta-package from way back in the Warty days
[07:58] <Ashton_Ke> Ah, can't. The 6.10 disc hates my video card.
[07:58] <levander> Ashton_Ke: then, they put SMP in the default kernels, and stopped updating the SMP specific ones
[07:58] <levander> Ashton_Ke: them stopping updating it didn't get me till Edgy
[07:58] <levander> Ashton_Ke: so, unless you installed an smp kernel, you are probably fine
[07:59] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: nope, it doesnt, change the vga resolution at the inital menu to something high, like 1280 or 1600, then try running it, I had the same problem, with all the odd colored lines and such
[07:59] <PrimeHex> Oompa: wtf are you doing here?
[07:59] <Ashton_Ke> I ran apt-get dist-upgrade once, so I've got the latest ABI that Dapper supports.
[07:59] <Ashton_Ke> I believe 2.6.15 was the latest Dapper'll take, without a custom build of the later kernels, no?
[07:59] <levander> PrimeHex: wow, that's a wierd problem you ran into having to have a screen resolution higher than 1280x...
[08:00] <levander> Even wierder than Ubuntu stopping upgrading the kernel package I was using.
[08:00] <SurfnSanta> whats an easy tool to look for duplicate files?
[08:00] <PrimeHex> levander: no I head it was common, you'd go to start at default resolution, but the graphics would be all fucked up and such. So I tried it at 1280, my default reso, and it worked fine.
[08:00] <DBO> PrimeHex, please try to keep the swearing to a minimum in here =)
[08:00] <PrimeHex> DBO: oh shit, sorry :P xD
[08:01] <PrimeHex> DBO: isn't it late enough into the night/early enough into the morning, to the point where we can swear without worry of kiddies/
[08:01] <levander> Ashton_Ke: the thing is, you're supposed to have a "meta-package" so that Ubuntu upgrades you to the latest kernel for your profile.  Most people are in the "generic" profile and so on Edgy use "linux-generic" as a meta-package.  I don't know what it was called in Dapper, or if they even changed the name.
[08:01] <DBO> PrimeHex, the world is round
[08:01] <levander> Ashton_Ke: you need the right meta-package for updating security upgrades, as well as dist-upgrades
[08:01] <levander> Ashton_Ke: you're probably fine though, i'm just being talkative
[08:01] <PrimeHex> DBO: even in other countries it's just getting to be wakeup time...
[08:01] <Ashton_Ke> Only one way to find out.
[08:02] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: try the cd one last time, but with a high resolution
[08:02] <levander> Ashton_Ke: as long as you're not similar to what my situation was above, you're probably fine
[08:02] <DBO> PrimeHex, except australia, where it be mid day =P  basically the answer is no, its never ok =)
[08:02] <Ashton_Ke> Prime, trust me, I've tried everything with the Edgy disc.
[08:02] <Ashton_Ke> The driver it tries, is bad, for one reason or another.
[08:02] <levander> Ashton_Ke: What video card do you have?
[08:02] <linlin> how can i make a command automatically run when i login to kde ?
[08:02] <Ashton_Ke> (That's what I get for dropping too much on a 7800GT)
[08:02] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: oh, have you tried just booting to a shell, then working from there?
[08:02] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: funny, that's what I have
[08:02] <Ashton_Ke> I got mine early, maybe a bit buggy in the firmware.
[08:02] <Bakefy> can anyone here help me with samba share?  I can't get it to NOT ask for a password when trying to connect over XP
[08:03] <Ashton_Ke> In windows, on cold starts it occasionally gives me a bunch of weird output.
[08:03] <Ashton_Ke> Takes a few reboots to warm it up occasionally.
[08:03] <PrimeHex> Bakefy: set the password as blank, then don't type one in for the login
[08:03] <Bakefy> how do i set the password?
[08:03] <PrimeHex> Ashton_Ke: that's odd, i'd send it in for a new one, who'd you get it through?
[08:03] <levander> Ashton_Ke: Maybe try installing hardware acceleration, which installs the proprietary nvidia driver?
[08:03] <PrimeHex> Bakefy: on the windows machine
[08:03] <Bakefy> is that in the config file?
[08:03] <levander> Ashton_Ke: and not the open source one, one written by nvidia themselves
[08:03] <PrimeHex> Bakefy: set the password to blank on the windows machine first
[08:04] <PrimeHex> grr there are spies about
[08:04] <levander> Ashton_Ke: I'd try the (proprietary) nvidia driver, not the (open source) nv driver.
[08:04] <judgen> what package is GLcore in?
[08:04] <PrimeHex> levander: that's what I installed to get beryl to work, works like a chaim so far
[08:05] <Bakefy> PrimeHex: what is the user name for the windows machine?
[08:05] <PrimeHex> Bakefy: how the f would I know? it's YOUR windows machine
[08:05] <levander> PrimeHex: But, the open source driver isn't working at all for Ashton_Ke with his newer card.  He may *need* the proprietary driver, just to get X to work on it.
[08:05] <PrimeHex> arrenlex: you're back! (this is Red Death)
[08:05] <Trentster> how do i install the latest nvidia driver, 9746, apt allways installs an old version
[08:05] <PrimeHex> levander: oh, I had odd problems, but now that I'm using this one it's fine
[08:05] <arrenlex> PrimeHex: I am! How's your sound doing?
[08:05] <PrimeHex> arrenlex: it's not xD
[08:05] <arrenlex> PrimeHex: Tsk...
[08:06] <PrimeHex> arrenlex: although I am flabbergasted that snow was included in 0.1.4 of beryl
[08:06] <arrenlex> PrimeHex: That is... good?
[08:06] <juanchito2006> Hello, after installing the fglrx driver and rebooting, the monitor gets out of sync. How do I fix this?
[08:06] <PrimeHex> YES!
[08:06] <Bakefy> PrimeHex: I have the password as blank... (loging into windows) I have never set a password for SMB...
[08:06] <Bakefy> still no luck
[08:06] <PrimeHex> Bakefy: oh, just try it normally, then when it asks for password, don't type anything in the password box
[08:07] <PrimeHex> How would I make a certain process run on cpu2?
[08:07] <Bakefy> and for username, do i use my linux name, or windows?
[08:07] <PrimeHex> Bakefy: windoz
[08:07] <levander> PrimeHex: It's called CPU Affinity - but I don't know how to do it.  Search on that word affinity though.
[08:07] <PrimeHex> levander: ah that's the word, I couldn't spell it so I didn't try xD
[08:08] <PrimeHex> levander: It's not that big of a deal, I'd just like to offset beryl to the under-used proc
[08:08] <levander> PrimeHex: lemme know what the name of the utility to do that is if you find it
[08:08] <Ashton_Ke> levander, I'm using the nvidia driver right now.
[08:08] <PrimeHex> levander: will do
[08:08] <Ashton_Ke> It's just when I boot live, for some reason it doesn't fly.
[08:08] <levander> Ashton_Ke: And it's still not working?
[08:08] <levander> Ashton_Ke: have you tried the nv driver?
[08:08] <Bakefy> hell, I still cant get it
[08:08] <Ashton_Ke> It tries nv by default.
[08:08] <Ashton_Ke> Vesa doesn't work.
[08:09] <Ashton_Ke> Dapper's live disc works.
[08:09] <Ashton_Ke> Edgy's doesn't.
[08:09] <PrimeHex> levander: the only one that i've found is schedutils
[08:09] <PrimeHex> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html
[08:09] <Ashton_Ke> I believe I checked both of their MD5sums, I'll check later again.
[08:09] <levander> Ashton_Ke: you know that  if X does start up, and you can get to a console on the LiveCD, you can "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to try to reconfigure X?
[08:09] <PrimeHex> looks like it will work
[08:09] <levander> PrimeHex: k, thanks
[08:10] <levander> Ashton_Ke: surely if you booted off the CD, it's basically right enough of a download to use
[08:10] <toulouse> hey guys, i def. got my sound working
[08:10] <Ashton_Ke> I imagine, that if I booted to text only, I could install it.
[08:10] <Ashton_Ke> Through liberal application of mounting, chrooting, and apt-getting.
[08:10] <PrimeHex> levander: that's extremely easy to do, and it works
[08:10] <Ashton_Ke> (That's right, those are verbs)
[08:10] <levander> toulouse wins hacker of the day!! got sound working!
[08:10] <PrimeHex> >:E
[08:10] <toulouse> levander: lol thanks man  it took long enough
[08:11] <levander> PrimeHex: I imagine, I just didn't know the name of the utility.
[08:11] <Ashton_Ke> That being said, I'm trying this the apt-get way.
[08:11] <PrimeHex> levander: it's just schedutils (bitmap of proc starting at 0) -p pid
[08:11] <juanchito2006> Hello, after installing the fglrx driver and rebooting, the monitor gets out of sync. How do I fix this?
[08:11] <Ashton_Ke> If this hits the fan, what command do I have to use to boot the disc as text only?
[08:11] <Ashton_Ke> (Live .... plus what?)
[08:11] <toulouse> i ended up having to go to kde's sound control, and switching the server for xmms to OSS and kde's sound server to OSS as well
[08:12] <toulouse> yay im happy i got it working again
[08:12] <dug> hi everyone
[08:12] <levander> juanchito2006: What is the fglrx driver?
[08:12] <toulouse> couldnt find that stuff in gnome, so i went to kde