[00:08] <neuro> guten tag meine herren und damen und roboten, haben sie gegessen eine flughafen?
[00:11] <daftykins> ach ja, naturlich!
[00:11] <neuro> sehr gut
[00:11] <neuro> i'm just reading this: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/bitcoin-exchange/
[00:11] <neuro> what an omnishambles
[00:11] <daftykins> aber nur ein sandwich
[00:12] <neuro> "DER POLIZEI!"
[00:12] <neuro> "Nur einmal"
[00:12] <neuro> "Ha ha ha"
[00:16] <neuro> "Mr. Takagi, I'm really not interested in your computer."
[00:17] <ali1234> neuro: their transaction database was just leaked too
[00:17] <neuro> "But I need the code key, because I am interested in the six hundred and forty million dollars in negotiable bearer bonds that you have locked in your vault."
[00:17] <neuro> "And the computer ... controls the vault."
[00:18] <ali1234> every account balance (but not username or email just an anonymous guid)
[00:18] <neuro> ouch
[00:18] <neuro> so glad i have never bothered with bitcoin
[00:18] <ali1234> and also every transaction ever made, but again, no link to which account, just a (different) account guid
[00:19] <ali1234> oh and also a list of deposits and withdrawals, again, completely anonymized
[00:19] <neuro> but still
[00:20] <ali1234> the data isn't complete either, but i can confirm it is legit
[00:20] <ali1234> there is something more going on here than "lol hackers"
[00:23] <shauno> it does seem that someone's not just trying to plunder it, but completely discredit it
[00:23] <ali1234> yes, i totally agree
[00:26] <ali1234> so far everything seems to have been leaked from the inside
[00:28] <ali1234> or at least that is what someone wants people to think
[00:42] <Hornet> neuro: 12.4 works, mostly
[00:42] <Hornet> stuck at installing grub now, can't find a solution that seems to apply
[00:43] <Hornet> the default attempt at installing on /sda fails and is a fatal error
[00:43] <Hornet> I made a seperate boot partition on a non raid drive, but df -h can't see it
[00:44] <Hornet> doesn't help that the ash shell there pisses around with mount points anyway
[00:44] <Hornet> also for some reason my raid is apparently md/0 not md0
[00:44] <Hornet> which is a bit shit
[00:46] <Hornet> (any insights from the peanut gallery much appreciated)
[02:54] <ali1234> the gox dump also contains a wallet stealer apparently...
[03:26] <mapps> arhj so annoyed lost my phone
[06:45] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:48] <mapps> morning
[06:48] <mapps> has anyone used a firefox phone|
[06:59] <MooDoo> can't say I have mapps
[07:01] <mapps> gutted i lost my phone :( and neither orange nor the police were any use
[07:01] <mapps> i put it in 'lost mode' on icloud findmyiphone and displayed a message 'this iphone is lost..please call #'' but noones called..hoping someone will..but who knows
[07:02] <mapps> i dont get how findmyiphones as useful as they make out..it gives you na vague location it says it could be in 5-100 houses on a street here...police said 'nothing much we can do as we cant search random houses' but to 'monitor' it O_o
[07:03] <MooDoo> :(
[07:03] <mapps> and you cant monitor it anyway..here's another thing right..cancel my contract so the 3g dies right away..dso of course it cant update its location
[07:03] <mapps> lol
[07:39] <Knightwise> morning
[07:40] <mapps> morning
[07:46] <Knightwise> hey mapps :) how are you dude
[07:46] <mapps> im ok..yourself?
[07:46] <mapps> watcjig my favourite show atm
[07:46] <mapps> not judge judy for once;p true detective
[07:48] <Knightwise> haha :)
[07:48] <Knightwise> i'm browsing around looking for a new laptop for my company
[07:48] <mapps> cool
[07:48] <Knightwise> not sure what i need to get
[07:48] <mapps> what spec you looking for
[07:48] <MooDoo> what you planning on doing on the laptop?
[07:48] <Knightwise> will be my main work machine.
[07:49] <Knightwise> i'll be doing  consultancy at clients.
[07:49] <Knightwise> so it will probably need to run some vm's
[07:49] <Knightwise> I took a look at the lenovo yoga 2 pro
[07:50] <Knightwise> I7, 16 gig, 512ssd , 13 inch , high res screen
[07:51] <MooDoo> 13 inch screen?  wow that's small
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> the Ubuntu dev one is good :)
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> it's 13", has an i7 afaik, and loads of ram
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> I run VMs on mine all the time
[07:52] <Knightwise> MartijnVdS: which one is that you are speakin about ?
[07:52] <Knightwise> MooDoo: It has to be portable , I can always hook up an external display
[07:53] <MooDoo> Knightwise: cool
[07:54] <mapps> wow
[07:54] <mapps> 13 inch pfft
[07:54] <mapps> i want bigger :D ive got an nc10 but its not my main machine
[07:54] <MooDoo> mapps: hehe yeah I'm with you on that one :)
[07:54] <mapps> i quite liked the idea of an imac or macbook whatever theyre claled..but the displays are too small!!
[07:54] <mapps> not forking out all that money for a tiny display
[07:54] <Knightwise> Hmmm. Dell Xps13 .. not bad
[07:55] <Knightwise> MartijnVdS: Pricetag ?
[07:55] <mapps> YES
[07:55] <mapps> dell are nice
[07:55] <mapps> :D
[07:55] <mapps> but ..13
[07:55] <mapps> pfft
[07:56] <mapps> dell xps..17 and now youre talking;)
[07:59] <Knightwise> Lugging a 15 around is a drag
[07:59] <MooDoo> Knightwise: it's ok especially in my ogio ubuntu bag, not so hard on the shoulders.
[08:02] <Knightwise> MooDoo: so which one do you have ? The 17 inch Xps ?
[08:02] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: no idea, $employer paid for mine :)
[08:03] <Knightwise> MartijnVdS: just looking , about 1200 euros ,
[08:03] <Knightwise> not that expensive
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> and you KNOW it'll run Ubuntu fine ;)
[08:05] <MooDoo> Knightwise: no 15' lattitude E6510
[08:10] <Knightwise> MartijnVdS: thats the important part : it just HAS to work fine.
[08:11] <Knightwise> I had my fair share of troubles with my lenovo
[08:12] <Knightwise> hmm. wondering if you can update the ram and the SSD on that one
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: there's a thing on the bottom to access RAM, I think
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: SSD will be harder, but is probably msata or similar
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> [    1.942405] ata1.00: ATA-9: SAMSUNG SSD PM841 mSATA 256GB, DXT43D0Q, max UDMA/133
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> yup, msata :)
[08:14] <Knightwise> hmm.. Says this one comes with a touchscreen and everything http://www.dell.com/be/bedrijven/p/xps-13-linux/pd?refid=xps-13-linux&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=3&~ck=dellSearch&isredir=true
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> Knightwise: it does come with a touch screen, but I never use that bit
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> dirty fingerprints
[08:18] <Knightwise> Me neither.
[08:18] <Knightwise> have a touchscreen on my lenovo twist right now..
[08:18] <Knightwise> never use it.
[08:22] <Knightwise> great thing with this XPS is that the whole ubuntu thing just works.
[08:22] <Knightwise> and if the client wants me to run windows I can just install a VM.
[08:24] <MooDoo> Knightwise: I just multiboot with windows 8.1
[08:29] <Knightwise> MooDoo: not my thing. If your windows os gets bitrot you have to reinstall/reconfigure both.
[08:30] <MooDoo> Knightwise: yeah luckily I don't mind reinstalling, most of my important stuff I back to my nas so it's easily transferrable if it does go awry
[08:32] <DJones> Knightwise: I'd recommend a Lenovo Y510P (i7-4700MQ, 15.6" at 1920*1080, various memory options, dual graphics (intel/nvidia 750M), I got one 2 weeks ago, installed 14.04 + nvidia-prime and everything just worked
[08:34] <DJones> Knightwise: This is the one I got, £799 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Y510p-15-6-inch-Notebook-Processor/dp/B00FSBFBD2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1393588902&sr=8-3&keywords=y510p
[08:38] <Knightwise> DJones: i had seen this one http://www.engadget.com/products/lenovo/yoga/2-pro/
[08:41] <DJones> Knightwise: Although the resolution on those is good, I wanted a 15.6" screen, the other difference I went for was the better processor in the y510p
[08:42] <mapps> Ìû
[08:53] <Knightwise> I'm going for a 13 inch one. If I need a bigger screen I'll just hook up an external display
[08:55] <jussi> morning all
[08:55] <jussi> perhaps I should go down and get breakfast...
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is good - A, what was, $2400 Linux course available (with a certificate if wanted) for free: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/2400-introduction-to-linux-course-will-be-free-and-online-this-summer/
[08:56] <jussi> I swear these full english breakfasts are making me fat...
[09:12] <mapps> hm
[09:13] <mapps> caqnt find a good guide for samba
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> mapps: apt-get install samba; man smb.conf :)
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> mapps: what do you want to know?
[09:13] <mapps> i just want to be able to access my windows share on ubuntu
[09:13] <mapps> and vice versa
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> mapps: Mounting a windows drive on linux is best done with "cifs", package "cifs-utils", dpkg -L for the man pages
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> mapps: samba comes with a lot of docs on how to configure it and what the impact of the options are
[09:15] <mapps> ah ok
[09:15] <mapps> i thought samba was always talked of for window smounts
[09:15] <mapps> so i should look into cifs thanks
[09:16] <dwatkins> it's the same thing, I believe, mapps
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> mapps: "Samba" is a suite of software, but most famous for being the daemon that lets windows machines brows files on your linux machines
[09:17] <dwatkins> "Samba provides CIFS file shares"
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> cifs-utils uses the same protocol, I think even built from the same source, to mount Windows drives on Linux machines
[09:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Day of Awesomeness! :-D
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Day of Awesomeness?
[09:20] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, that's what it says.  I'm not going to argue. ;)
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: awesome :)
[09:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:30] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:33] <mapps> hmm is it possible to edit /etc/motd or /etc/issue.net on ubuntu? I edited /etc/issue.net and uncommented #Banner /etc/issue.net in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but the contents of it arent shown
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> it should be possible
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> did you restart sshd?
[09:33] <mapps> yep
[09:33] <mapps> wonder why it didnt display then
[09:38] <bigcalm> One last push of the date poll for this year's RAT: http://doodle.com/h7qqfhfk5gcp86ts
[09:38] <bigcalm> Though we do have a clear idea of the most popular date
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> ALL the dates :)
[09:39] <Laney> that's the same day as the debian uk bbq!
[09:39] <bigcalm> That's a lot of beerage
[09:39] <bigcalm> Laney: but nobody uses Debian :)
[09:39] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah they do :p
[09:40]  * Laney thinks about that for a bit
[09:40] <bigcalm> La la la, I can't hear you
[09:40] <MooDoo> bigcalm: debian debian ner ner ner ner ner
[09:40] <bigcalm> Okay, everybody uses Debian
[09:41] <MooDoo> bigcalm: just looking #debianuk, that's a support channel I setup and there a huge amoubnt of people there, they are just invisible and being hidden by chanserv ;)
[09:43] <Laney> you're trying to say that nobody uses debian because they aren't in some random channel you made?
[09:43] <MooDoo> Laney: I was just being silly :)
[09:43] <Laney> hmmmmmmmmm
[09:43] <MooDoo> :p
[09:44] <dwatkins> no-one seems to be in #debianuk :'(
[09:45] <MooDoo> dwatkins: I know I was having a giggle, it's something I setup a while ago for a friend who's a debian user
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: sure, "a friend" ;)
[09:45] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: oh don't you start.....
[09:45] <MooDoo> ;)
[09:46] <Laney> it's #debian or #debian-uk on oftc
[09:46] <Laney> #debian also exists on freenode afaik
[09:48] <dwatkins> yep, it's quite popular
[10:12] <diplo> Morning all
[10:13] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[10:17] <diplo> Had a colleague talk to me about her pc on friday, said she had a call from a tech company they use for support but according to that company no one had called them
[10:17] <diplo> But the person had their credit card info
[10:17] <MooDoo> ouch
[10:17] <MooDoo> If a customer manually renews a .co.uk domain here:
[10:17] <MooDoo> https://customer.heartinternet.co.uk/manage/renewals.cgi
[10:17] <MooDoo> And the relevant .uk domain is available we will offer to put a pre-order for the .uk domain into their basket.
[10:17] <MooDoo> If the customer clicks 'No thanks' we should not ask them again for that domain.
[10:17] <MooDoo> If a customer manually renews a .co.uk domain here:
[10:17] <MooDoo> https://customer.heartinternet.co.uk/manage/renewals.cgi
[10:17] <MooDoo> And the relevant .uk domain is available we will offer to put a pre-order for the .uk domain into their basket.
[10:17] <MooDoo> If the customer clicks 'No thanks' we should not ask them again for that domain.
[10:17] <MooDoo> oops
[10:17] <diplo> So I thought, virus or somesthing along those lines but this is the cleanest PC I've seen in years
[10:18] <MooDoo> strange
[10:18] <diplo> Can't think what to look for now :)
[10:18]  * diplo clicks renewals
[10:18] <MooDoo> i'd be worried where the other party got the CC details.
[10:19] <diplo> That's what I was, thought some sort of key logger or something
[10:19] <diplo> But I've found nothing yet!
[10:19] <diplo> Not one virus/malware / anything - clean PC
[10:19] <MooDoo> have they spoken to their bank to see if there is any fraudulent issues?
[10:20] <diplo> They phoned them up and cancelled it straight away, the person who phoned them wanted to charge them £299 renewal or something and they said no and he tried anyway
[10:21] <MooDoo> diplo: format and reinstall, only way to be sure.
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: nuking from orbit would probably work as well :)
[10:23] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: all this windows stuff sounds alien[s] to me ;)
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[10:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:23] <MooDoo> brobostigon: hello there
[10:24] <brobostigon> hello MooDoo
[10:31] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you this morning?
[10:32] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not bad really, a few things on my list for the day, going to wake myself up, then sort them out.
[10:33] <brobostigon> MooDoo: and you?
[10:33] <MooDoo> yeah I'm ok thanks :) daughter up all night coughing so little tired but other than that, I'm ok :D
[10:34] <brobostigon> :)
[10:38]  * popey has two ill family members here
[10:39] <brobostigon> :(
[10:39] <MooDoo> :(
[10:39] <bigcalm> popey: the cats? :(
[10:41]  * AlanBell has an ill child too
[10:41] <MooDoo> my lass kept us up from 12 till about 3am, I get up at 5:30 for work lol
[10:42] <popey> nah, mum and sam
[10:42] <bigcalm> :(
[11:00] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:00] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :)
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1g84m0sXpnNCv84GpN2PLZG/the-hitchhiker-s-guide-to-the-galaxy-game-30th-anniversary-edition
[11:07] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[11:07]  * bigcalm squieees
[11:08] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I loved this back in the 90s. Thank you for destroying my day :)
[11:08] <popey> https://rms.sexy/
[11:08] <popey> *blink*
[11:09] <MooDoo> wtf?
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: 8-)
[11:09] <MooDoo> thanks popey I can never unsee that :(
[11:10] <bigcalm> Oh my
[11:10] <bigcalm> !family | popey
[11:10] <bigcalm> !ohmy | popey
[11:10] <MooDoo> lol
[11:10] <popey> oi
[11:11] <MooDoo> that was evil bigcalm
[11:12] <bigcalm> :P
[11:13] <bashrc> an rms fan page?
[11:13] <MooDoo> bashrc: it's a rotating set of images featuring rms
[11:13] <MooDoo> just the domain is rather funny
[11:13] <AlanBell> in alluring poses
[11:14] <MooDoo> ew ew ew
[11:14] <AlanBell> heh
[11:14] <MooDoo> AlanBell: get out now :p
[11:15] <bashrc> nice
[11:16] <AlanBell> you have to wonder what was going through the mind of the person who put time, money and effort into creating that
[11:18] <bigcalm> "For a dead person you are talking too much."
[11:18] <MooDoo> ?
[11:19] <foobarry> testing tomcat sucks. 5+ mins to shut down and start up again at least
[11:21] <foobarry> has anyone seen that film gravity? watched last night
[11:25] <popey> yes
[11:25] <popey> twice
[11:25] <bashrc> was it any good?
[11:25] <popey> i liked it
[11:25] <hoover> yep, saw it a few months ago
[11:25] <foobarry> good for an american film, certainly
[11:26] <hoover> the first 3d movie I ever saw
[11:26] <foobarry> ahh, that makes sense of a few scenes
[11:26] <foobarry> "let's make a film that would look cool in 3d"
[11:26] <MooDoo> but it's sandra bullock in space :(
[11:26] <foobarry> i would prefer different actors
[11:26] <hoover> Indeed, not much to be spotted there ;)
[11:27] <foobarry> george clooney was doing a good impression of buzz lightyear
[11:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: and your point?
[11:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's sandra bullock in space :S  she can't do sci fi, put her back in a bus or strap a gun to her leg, space is not for her lol
[11:34] <hoover> I think she's cute
[11:34] <foobarry> there was a slow undressing from spacesuit scene for those inclined
[11:36] <MooDoo> to order from the ubuntu shop you have to login to launchpad...woah
[11:37] <popey> thats always been the case
[11:37] <MooDoo> popey: yeah never ordered before, just getting myself a t
[11:39] <resu> t
[11:39] <MooDoo> resu: t-shirt
[12:00] <dvrr> how to resolve Tomcat Heap Dump (.hprof file)
[12:02] <MooDoo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/371495/analyze-tomcat-heap-in-detail-on-a-production-system
[12:20] <foobarry> dvrr: you need more google power
[12:28] <Knightwise> hmz. Dell XPS 13 inch laptop looks purdy damn cool.
[12:29] <foobarry> getting a dell laptop for work
[12:29] <foobarry> its not that one though
[12:34] <Knightwise> hmm .. says here that parts like RAM are not exchangable :(
[12:46] <davmor2> Knightwise: I think you can if you are happy soldering :)
[13:03] <daubers> ls
[13:03] <daubers> le sigh
[13:03] <davmor2> daubers: thanks I always assumed that ls stood for list not le sigh :D
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> so that's what that's short for :)
[13:06] <foobarry> *l*ike *s*ausages
[13:08] <foobarry> mmm jaffa cakes
[13:08] <foobarry> woops, just ate half the pack
[14:48] <foobarry> which gtreamer plugin do i need for rhythombox to convert to mp3?
[14:49] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: do you know if there is a problem with the ticketing system? I've just created 2 new tickets and they aren't showing. Yet I'm getting email alerts
[14:49] <MooDoo> foobarry: not sure, but do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed, does that have it included, not sure really
[14:50] <MooDoo> foobarry:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623214
[14:51] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: they are showing now. That was a concerning few minutes
[14:51] <popey> foobarry: gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 ?
[14:51] <popey> oh, convert _to_ mp3?
[14:51] <popey> didnt know they did encoders.
[14:52] <MooDoo> I think it's plugins-ugly plugins-good plugins-bad-multiverse just see on that link I added
[14:52] <popey> ubuntu-restricted-extras is for decoders, not encoders
[14:54] <MooDoo> ah ok
[14:54] <foobarry> on 12.04?
[14:54] <foobarry> something is broke
[14:55] <foobarry> rhythmbox asks to install a gstreamer plugin but the install button is greyed out
[14:55] <popey> to encode?
[14:55] <foobarry> rip a cd to mp3
[14:56] <popey> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse + lame I expect
[14:56] <MooDoo> did you have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623214
[14:57] <popey> lame will actually do the gruntwork, called by gstreamer
[14:57] <foobarry> Package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[14:57] <foobarry> E: Package 'gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse' has no installation candidate
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: do you have multiverse enabled?
[14:58] <popey> ah, discontinued package by the look of it
[14:58] <popey> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly + lame will probably be enough then?
[14:58] <foobarry> pretty sure i have those..
[14:59] <foobarry> just checking
[14:59] <popey> yeah, it refers to liblame too
[14:59] <foobarry> have liblame not lame...
[14:59] <popey> yeah, you need lame too IIRC
[14:59] <foobarry> :(
[15:00] <foobarry> still broken
[15:00] <foobarry> http://ubuntuone.com/5JCncQ2WgkHS9D1zMVtvps
[15:02] <foobarry> think i'll find something else
[15:04] <foobarry> sound juicer cooked the mp3s at 32kps..
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: sound-juicer also uses gstreamer.. but you can set the quality. Also, are you sure it's not VBR?
[15:08] <foobarry> even so...32kb?
[15:09] <foobarry> rhythmbox and I have mutual hatred
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: VBR = *variable* bitrate. How are you determining it's 32kbps?
[15:10] <foobarry> nautilus
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: how large is the file, and how long is it (in time)
[15:10] <foobarry> 3MB for regular song
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> sounds like >32kbps
[15:10] <foobarry> yeah
[15:10] <foobarry> just asking clementine
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: try "exiftool file.mp3"
[15:12] <foobarry> clementine thinks 32kb
[15:12] <foobarry> all other songs are 192 ish
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: there's no single bitrate for a VBR song.
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: can you check with exiftool please?
[15:13] <foobarry> exiftool not in repos
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it could very well be that the first frame is silence, which compresses well, so it's the lowest bitrate possible
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: just try it.
[15:14] <foobarry> exiftool not in repos
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: command-not-found will tell you the package.
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: just type on the command line "exiftool file.mp3" - it'll give you an apt-get command
[15:14] <foobarry> go it
[15:14] <foobarry> got
[15:14] <foobarry> it's guitar music, so it wold compress well in fact
[15:15] <foobarry> http://pastebin.com/UiEde9wU
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> hmm no idea
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: which profile did you select in sound-juicer's prefs/
[15:16] <foobarry> mp3
[15:17] <foobarry> no custiomsisation allowed
[15:17] <foobarry> don't worry
[15:17] <foobarry> gonna give up and do it at home
[15:30] <foobarry> http://pastebin.com/i7zdYLXQ
[15:30] <foobarry> asunder did it better, but without id3 lookup
[16:27] <diddledan> oops
[16:27] <diddledan> my dns disappeared over the weekend
[16:28] <diddledan> ho hum, no work-related emails for me ;-)
[16:28] <diddledan> \o/ for being cut off
[16:46] <shauno> :|
[16:47] <shauno> I'm wading through 'soap'(?  appears to be xml that loves the sound of its own voice) because someone wasn't happy that I documented part of a protocol as 'magic'
[16:52] <davmor2> shauno: should of called it "MagicSmoke" then everything would of worked fine ;)
[16:53] <shauno> oh it does work fine.  that's why it's magic.  never documented it because it never broke
[16:54] <shauno> normally I just get to document the stuff that's a little crazy.  like one routine where 25=0
[16:54] <diddledan> speaking of "magic"... AlanBell, when do I get to name my pi?! :-p
[16:55] <diddledan> I want to name it "magic-pixies"
[16:55] <diddledan> then the build log on packages it creates will say something along the lines of "built by magic pixies"
[16:56] <diddledan> there's nothing better than a troll that keeps trolling :-D
[16:57] <shauno> bacon?
[16:57] <diddledan> mmm, bacon
[16:57] <shauno> I made pancakes last night.  turns out I'm not very good at it
[16:57] <diddledan> lol
[16:58] <diddledan> I wouldn't have a clue how to do such a thing
[16:58] <diddledan> egg?
[16:58] <diddledan> milk?
[16:58] <diddledan> flour?
[16:58] <shauno> cup flour, cup milk, one egg
[16:58] <shauno> put in pan, panic until edible, eat before anyone sees how bad it looks
[16:58] <diddledan> lmao
[16:59] <popey> my kids love pancakes
[16:59] <shauno> I used to love helping mum.  from my experiences last night, I'm not sure I was as much help as I thought I was
[16:59] <popey> pan should be quite hot. i use a brush to cover the pan with oil, and a soup ladel to spoon the mixture in
[17:01] <shauno> this is true of many things, actually.  the more I try to look after a theoretically adult me, the more I'm amazed at how mum managed 5 of us
[17:01] <diddledan> I'm assuming ladel-hosen is when you use a spoon and a pipe to repeatedly beat and squirt water on a german?
[17:01] <shauno> dan, I believe that's only legal in berwick
[17:02] <diddledan> I'd be good as a CIA dude
[17:03] <diddledan> wacky punishment > simulating drowning
[17:03] <diddledan> plus it would look better when the videos leak
[17:04] <diddledan> people would be incredulous at the crazyness of it rather than the inhumanity
[17:04] <shauno> I think you talk too much for that to be a valid career choice
[17:16] <diddledan> I'm not sure talking is ever an issue. it's talking about things that people actually believe
[17:16] <diddledan> and if my wacky theory holds then people will think I'm a nutjob instead of a bona fide goverment employee
[17:17] <diddledan> it obviously helps that I am in fact an actual nutjob
[17:22] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: please don't message me about RS stuff >.<
[17:22] <SuperMatt> but no, I don't think so
[17:23] <SuperMatt> I didn't get any alerts
[17:30] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: hehe, sorry. I shall say no more :P
[17:34] <bigcalm> Supernoodles for tea - wooooooooooo
[17:37] <diddledan> bigcalm: living the high-life, eh?
[17:37] <Laney> sounds like the life
[18:34] <daftykins> chap i know spilt water on his laptop today
[18:34] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1lbtbj9aoqeprgx/IMG-20140310-WA0000.jpg
[18:35] <daftykins> this thing will be hell to work on
[18:36] <diddledan> daftykins: \o/
[18:36] <diddledan> that looks compact
[18:36] <diddledan> it's got an ssd by the looks?
[18:36] <diddledan> and a teeny weeny fan
[18:36] <daftykins> yep
[18:37] <daftykins> core 2 duo sony VAIO TT with a 120GB samsung SSD, 4GB RAM
[18:37] <daftykins> few years on it now
[18:37]  * diddledan sniggers, you said TT
[18:38] <diddledan> first job then, replace that sata ssd with a bigger one :-p
[18:39] <daftykins> nope
[18:39] <diddledan> oh yeah, make it work is probably more important
[18:39] <daftykins> half the keyboard's dead, no viable replacements
[18:39] <daftykins> so new Lenovo ordered already
[18:39] <diddledan> aah
[18:39] <diddledan> it's a doorstop then?
[18:39] <daftykins> this thing's too old to put money into really
[18:39] <daftykins> well i have the lower panel in front of me right now
[18:40] <daftykins> just disconnected that blue plastic pull-tab ribbon
[18:40] <daftykins> i'm tempted to try taking the keyboard apart as much as possible and dry/clean it further
[18:40] <daftykins> probably dead already though
[18:40] <daftykins> he ran it all day and overnight to 'dry it out' ;_;
[18:40]  * diddledan spots the nice man-trays full of man-things (the green boxes top left)
[18:41] <diddledan> yeah, that was probably a bad idea
[18:41] <daftykins> heh yeah his basement 'work room'
[18:41] <daftykins> the rest of the machine is fine, just i don't really have a use for it and neither does he
[19:35] <mapps> hmm why wont my machine boot up automatically
[19:35] <mapps> grub just sits there
[19:37] <jpds> mapps: That's a sign that it failed to shutdown correctly.
[19:38] <mapps> hmm..but i reboot and up comes the grub menu every time and it just sits and waits never ever ever boots up without a key press
[19:38] <mapps> i checked /etc/default/grub and timeout set to 10
[19:41] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: thanks man, you really have no idea how little time I can spend on here now
[19:44] <diddledan> that's an annoying feature tbh
[19:45] <diddledan> if it failed to shut down properly then ofc I want it to stop mid-boot so I have to drive to the datacentre and fix it
[19:45] <ball> diddledan: If it's in a datacentre, doesn't it have LOM?
[19:46] <diddledan> ball: no, my boss is cheap
[19:46] <ball> diddledan: Penny wise and pound foolish?
[19:46] <diddledan> bingo
[19:46] <diddledan> LOM would be awesome
[19:47] <diddledan> but still a manual intervention on an automatic process is annoying
[19:47] <diddledan> it should only stop booting if it can't complete safely
[19:49] <directhex> GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=10
[19:50] <directhex> that value is how many seconds to wait if it thinks boot failed. default is infinite
[19:51] <MooDoo> evening all
[19:52] <ball> Good afternoon MooDoo
[19:52] <MooDoo> :)
[20:47] <mapps> hm
[20:47] <mapps> directhex,  i dont see that anywhere
[20:47] <mapps> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7069800/
[20:50] <directhex> https://thelastmaimou.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/this-grub-does-not-start-in-ubuntu/
[20:51] <mapps> thanks
[20:51] <mapps> added it now lts see
[20:57] <mapps> wrked
[20:57] <mapps> thanks directhex
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: Riddling needs more levels :)
[21:08] <mapps> i disabled root for ssh - figured best idea..no? get loads of people trying to gain access in auth.log to user root
[21:08] <mapps>  and it didnt take affect until i rebooted..even tho i restarted sshd
[21:08]  * DJones wonders why Rambo II is on the Syfy channel
[21:08] <mapps> shouldnt just restarting have been enough
[21:08] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, sorry :) There may be a Riddling 2 at some point...
[21:39] <ball> Happy Monday.
[22:17] <diddledan> mapps: yeah afaiui restarting just ssh should be enough
[22:18] <mapps> yea thats what i thought hmm weird
[22:20] <diddledan> one thing that does annoy me on more recent ubuntu's (server) is the networking service tells you that it doesn't do what you expect anymore
[22:20] <diddledan> when hitting it with the "restart" flag
[22:20] <diddledan> in older ubuntus /etc/init.d/networking restart did just that and everything was great, but now it doesn't?
[22:20] <diddledan> it's not a case of /etc/init.d/networking vs "service networking" either
[22:21] <diddledan> it just flat out tells you that it isn't what you want and that you should reboot instead
[22:22] <diddledan> I don't like server distros insisting that I reboot for everything. I dislike it on desktop, too.
[22:22] <diddledan> eg. on desktop, why should I reboot to apply an X11 fix?!
[22:22] <diddledan> surely just restarting lightdm would be enough, no?
[22:25] <diddledan> one of the reasons I used to love linux was that I didn't have to reboot after every patch. seems ubuntu, and probably other distros are trying very hard to be "just like the redmond os"
[22:25] <mapps> yea
[22:26] <mapps> thats the thing diddledan  i found that
[22:26] <diddledan> to the point of replicating the bad experiences of that redmond os
[22:26] <mapps> if i lose connection i cant restart my networking you HAVE to restart?
[22:26] <mapps> is there no workaround like ifconfig wlan0 down or whatever and forcing it?
[22:26] <mapps> i couldnt see how;/
[23:04] <mapps> hmm
[23:04] <mapps> didnt come back this time


[02:26] <andrew__> how to install gnome maps kde
[02:27] <andrew__> i mean install gnome ma ubuntu 22.04 daily
[02:28] <andrew__> how to check if i have a daily or beta build of ubuntu
[02:28] <mybalzitch> cat /etc/lsb-release
[02:28] <enigma9o7[m]> andrew: sudo apt install gnome-maps
[02:29] <enigma9o7[m]> to make sur enothing was weird I just insatlled it myself.  Was that really your question?
[02:30] <andrew__> yes
[02:30] <andrew__> but it does not say if it a daily or beta
[02:30] <andrew__> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[02:30] <andrew__> DISTRIB_RELEASE=22.04
[02:30] <andrew__> DISTRIB_CODENAME=jammy
[02:30] <andrew__> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu Jammy Jellyfish (development branch)"
[02:30] <andrew__> this is what it says
[02:30] <enigma9o7[m]> Well you should know if you've updated or not.
[02:30] <enigma9o7[m]> Who cares what you started with.
[02:30] <mybalzitch> thats the "beta"
[02:31] <enigma9o7[m]> pretty sure that's everyone
[02:33] <andrew__> i turn ubuntu 22.04 into vanilla gnome
[02:33] <andrew__> and suddently it become less user friendly
[02:34] <guiverc> andrew__, it'll say 'development' until it gets changed when jammy reaches RC state (ie. release candidate) and a package goes that that'll change it to 22.04 properly.  development refers to alpha & beta stages.
[02:34] <guiverc> RC is scheduled to occur on or AFTER 14-April-2021... ie. rather soon now
[02:35] <guiverc> release schedule for Ubuntu jammy can be found here - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[02:36] <enigma9o7[m]> andrew, did you try that gnome maps you asked about?  i installed it myself and it seems bugged to me.... tells me im offline (I'm not) and when I type in the search field, every letter is repeated twice.... very strange behavior
[02:59] <andrew__> hey
[02:59] <andrew__> what more user friendly ubuntu 22.04 or debian 11
[03:02] <mybalzitch> define user friendly
[03:03] <enigma9o7[m]> I think Ubuntu's goal is to be more user friendly.
[03:03] <enigma9o7[m]> Although there were probably more differences back when ubuntu was starting out, they are now quite similar in many cases, but there are certainly some touches that ubuntu adds.
[03:04] <enigma9o7[m]> debians documentation and user base seems a bit more technical than ubuntus
[07:43] <pmjdebruijn>  hey, I'm trying to get autoinstall/cloud-init with nocloud working ,but it seems to ignore my config
[07:49] <ravage> pmjdebruijn, https://www.molnar-peter.hu/en/ubuntu-jammy-netinstall-pxe.html is the only decent post i could find about it.
[07:49] <ravage> the official documentation is just useless really
[07:52] <pmjdebruijn> ravage: I gathered as much yes
[07:52] <pmjdebruijn> I've been googled my ass off as well :)
[07:52] <pmjdebruijn> googling*
[07:54] <pmjdebruijn> /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud/user-data is empty, so presumably it doesn't find my config
[07:54] <pmjdebruijn> though /cdrom/nocloud is present and referenced in /proc/cmdline
[07:56] <pmjdebruijn> doh, missing trailing '/'
[07:57] <ravage> heh
[07:57] <ravage> yes that is a common mistake :D
[07:57] <pmjdebruijn> also, cloud-init analyse show/dump, it less useful than just looking at the logs mysdelf
[07:58] <ravage> yes the webserver log is the best way to debug
[07:58] <ravage> you also see the missing / there
[07:58] <pmjdebruijn> I'm integration it on the "cdrom" :)
[07:58] <ravage> oh ok :
[07:58] <ravage> never tried that
[07:59] <pmjdebruijn> presumably the '/' isn't implied so people can have multiple cloud configs by passing a nondirectory prefix along
[08:18] <pmjdebruijn> also, it seems you can preseed a interactive dialog's option, without automating it entirely
[08:19] <pmjdebruijn> so it's either fully automated, or empty and user driven
[08:19] <pmjdebruijn> with d-i, you could setup partitioning from preseed, but still give the user the oppertunity to modify
[08:20] <pmjdebruijn> subiquity feels like it's years behind d-i
[08:21] <pmjdebruijn> for example, it seems I can't automate the user accounts, without also being forced to automate the hostname
[08:29] <ravage> TLDR: yes it sucks :)
[12:40] <bittin> afternoon
[18:58] <new_leap> how would I figure out what's going wrong when every single time my screen (laptop) turns off, that the screen never comes back (also doesn't work on 20.04)
[19:00] <guigui64> Hello everyone, I am experiencing extremely slow speed with my Atheros AR93xx Wireless Network Adapter (driver ath9k) since I upgraded to 22.04. Previously, I had a >100Mbps bandwidth, now I have 10Mbps...
[20:44] <enigma9o7[m]> gnome-maps doesn't seem to work for me.  Is it just me?  It thinks its offline (when it's not). https://i.imgur.com/5SKKcVN.png
[22:14] <rfm> I'm running jammy in a virtualbox VM.  On the login screen, the "gear" icon for selecting session type isn't there.  Is this on purpose? (I would like to go back to X.org since the vbox additions still have problems with Wayland.)
[22:18] <oerheks> echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE # shows if you run wayland or xorg, my bet; xorg
[22:20] <rfm> definitely running wayland (I grepped through ps and found wayland running but X.org not)
[22:23] <rfm> was able to force xorg by editing /etc/gdm3/custom.conf but still odd the session menu is gone
[22:35] <enigma9o7[m]> There is a session menu....
[22:38] <enigma9o7[m]> but it gets bigger than the screen so i switched to sddm
[22:45]  * enigma9o7[m] uploaded an image: (100KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zrvNPVHwVOBWLvOxxIaLDQlX/Screenshot%20from%202022-02-08%2019-37-09.png >
[22:45] <enigma9o7[m]> I could never figure out how to scroll up and down it once it got bigger than what I could click on.  The keyboard doesnt work, mouse scrollwheel doesnt work.
[22:46] <enigma9o7[m]> perhaps this is fixed by now tho, that was in february, and i've switched to sddm since so dunno if its fixed in current.


[13:15] <PaulePanter> I want to register an account, and get an Oops. What to do?
[13:16] <PaulePanter>  Sorry, something just went wrong in Ubuntu One.
[13:16] <PaulePanter>  OOPS ID: OOPS-13af5a5d161b49ff99169281f7a71c83
[13:16] <PaulePanter> Sentry ID: fd98e23d05cf4862a4221207a824cf7e


[02:26] <jono> hey all
[02:26] <jono> can I use super_teams_collection_link to find the parent team of a sub-team?
[02:30] <wgrant> jono: That should work, yes.
[02:31] <jono> wgrant, I just started really digging into this tonight, but how do return the list of super teams from that?
[02:31] <jono> I guess I am asking how to pull data from a link
[02:37] <wgrant> jono: for team in someteam.super_teams:
[02:38] <jono> oh
[02:38] <jono> I was looking at the list of entries
[02:38] <jono> thanks wgrant
[02:42] <wgrant> jono: launchpadlib maps foo_collection_link attributes to foo, and bar_link to bar.
[02:55] <jono> thanks wgrant
[02:56] <jono> this is a pretty cool API
[02:56] <StevenK> When it works
[02:56] <StevenK> Or isn't misbehaving :-)
[03:51] <balloons> evening/morning all. I had a question I wanted about launchpadlib.. is it possible to pull a person's avatar from launchpad?
[03:51] <nigelb> not the picture itself, but you can get  a link to it.
[03:52] <nigelb> Its convoluted and I have a half done MP somewhere to fix that.
[03:52] <balloons> hmm.. right, so I can get a link to the pic and then dl and process it if I wish.. multiple steps, but possible
[03:54] <nigelb> Yep :)
[03:54] <balloons> thanks nigelb
[03:54] <nigelb> np!
[05:22] <Pikkachu> I'm creating an alternative 2.10.1 build for fixing bug 856631 in windows, is there any way I can put the setup available in the pidgin project without being a member of it? something similar to a branch
[05:25] <Pikkachu> brb
[05:27] <RenatoSilva> I'm back, is it possible?
[06:05] <RenatoSilva> is there any problem if I just commit the 12MB file onto a branch?
[06:27] <lifeless> will it work? probably. is it a good idea? Well, its 12MB of data, what could possibly go wrong :)
[06:28] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: is it binary or text?
[06:34] <balloons> lp acting funny for me.. bad time of day me guess
[06:37] <lifeless> ops are looking at it right now
[06:37] <lifeless> one sec
[06:38] <RenatoSilva> lifeless: a 12MB binary
[07:03] <balloons> should my branch eventually update?
[07:05] <balloons> sorry..  have a look at this if you would.. just want to make sure this branch published properly https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/+junk/checkbox-beta1
[07:06] <wgrant> balloons: Try pushing again
[07:06] <wgrant> We had some database issues for a few minutes.
[07:06] <wgrant> But they're fixed now.
[07:08] <balloons> wgrant, ok, thanks will do
[07:08] <balloons> "No new revisions or tags to push.   "
[07:08] <balloons> ;-(
[07:09] <balloons> i could fake a commit and push again
[07:09] <balloons> ?
[07:09] <wgrant> balloons: bzr push --overwrite -r-2, then push again
[07:09] <wgrant> (-r-2 is the revision before the latest)
[07:10] <wgrant> Like faking a commit, except a bit less dirty :)
[07:11] <balloons> heh.. kk
[07:12] <balloons> hmm.. ok, but i see one commit
[07:12] <balloons> there should be w
[07:13] <balloons> *2
[07:13] <balloons> k.. bzr push --overwrite -r-1 fixed that
[07:13] <balloons> fun fun
[07:13] <wgrant> -r-1 is the same as omitting -r entirely
[07:13] <balloons> lol
[07:13] <balloons> thought that might be the case
[07:13] <balloons> bzr is totally new
[07:14] <StevenK> But bzr has been around for years!
[07:14] <wgrant> Hm
[07:14] <wgrant> So where's this a clone frome?
[07:14] <wgrant> Another VCS?
[07:14] <balloons> the branch
[07:14] <balloons> well another good question
[07:15] <balloons> i'm assuming there is a good way to fork a branch in bzr
[07:15] <balloons> this is a manual fork of another bzr branch
[07:15] <wgrant> Which branch?
[07:15] <poolie> what's a 'manual fork'?
[07:15] <balloons> lol
[07:16] <wgrant> Normally you just say eg. 'bzr branch lp:unity; cd unity; hack hack hack; bzr commit; bzr push lp:~wgrant/unity/my-branch'
[07:16] <balloons> i mean to say I checked out the branch
[07:16] <balloons> i hacked on it
[07:16] <balloons> then i pushed it to this
[07:16] <balloons> if that's the bzr way
[07:16] <balloons> then i guess i did fine
[07:17] <wgrant> Hm, it looks like you created a fresh branch
[07:17] <wgrant> Rather than branching/checkingout from an existing one.
[07:17] <wgrant> So there's no history.
[07:17] <balloons> ugh... I lost the history eh
[07:18] <wgrant> You ran 'bzr init' at some point?
[07:18] <balloons> actually yea
[07:18] <balloons> it's getting late her
[07:18] <balloons> *here
[07:18] <balloons> i had to redo it at some point
[07:19] <RenatoSilva> lifeless: I've uploaded it to github :( brb
[07:19] <wgrant> You should basically never run 'bzr init' unless you're starting a new project.
[07:19] <balloons> i got some working tree error
[07:19] <wgrant> Use bzr branch to fork a branch.
[08:59] <czajkowski> Good morning :)
[11:04] <odony> Hi everyone, jtv, when you have a minutes, I have a question regarding the sharing of translations between series (related to what we talked about a few days ago)
[11:04] <odony> minute*
[11:04] <jtv> odony: go ahead
[11:05] <jtv> And hi :)
[11:06] <odony> jtv: :) I have noticed a few new issues in translation management in our older branches... do you remember how long ago the sharing between series was implemented?
[11:07] <jtv> Between series was quite a while ago.
[11:07] <jtv> I'd say 2009-ish, off the top of my head.
[11:08] <odony> oh really... wow
[11:08] <odony> the thing is, apparently we're using the PO comments for even more things than I originally thought, one of them is to apply translations to their specific domain (UI, reports, object field names, etc.)
[11:08] <jtv> Oh
[11:08] <jtv> But there's a standard gettext facility for that.
[11:08] <jtv> Contexts.
[11:08] <odony> jtv: yup, we still have to implement msgctxts ... does LP support them well, BTW?
[11:09] <jtv> Yes, should be fine.
[11:09] <odony> great
[11:09] <jtv> Two identical messages with different contexts are treated as different messages.
[11:10] <odony> sounds good, we should really try it....  of course we have the area of the software where the translation applies, and then we have the various contexts of translations, e.g. "Open" can be an object state or a button action
[11:11] <odony> not sure how we would map those 2 things properly.. but anyways
[11:12] <odony> jtv: so our previous versions of the software rely on the PO comments to apply the translations to the right area... and now we're seeing bugs in those older versions because PO files are exported with the comments of the latest series, and they locations do not match (e.g. some term may now be used only for reports, but was used in other places before)
[11:13] <jtv> Yes, very unfortunate.
[11:13] <odony> I do not remember seeing this in the past, but it could have been the case and we did not notice... this is not an "obvious" bug
[11:13] <jtv> No — and some big import may have triggered this.
[11:14] <odony> yes... so I was wondering if it would be very hard to have the LP translations export consider using the comments of the series for which it is exporting, rather than the ones from the latest series where it was translated
[11:15] <odony> i.e. sharing only the msgstr values between series but not the rest
[11:16] <odony> jtv: my question is more like: was it harder to do it and the current implementation is simpler because of that, or is it actually trivial to change and you just did not consider it before
[11:17] <jtv> Unfortunately it's an integral part of the data model.
[11:17] <diwic> hi! I want to change the source location of a code import. I don't think I can do that for myself, and I have a few recipes depending on it. Can you do that for me?
[11:17] <jtv> We've always assumed that the comment on a translatable message was shared just like the message's translations and text.
[11:18] <jtv> czajkowski: feel up to helping diwic?  :-)
[11:18] <czajkowski> diwic: sure if you file a question we can do it for you
[11:18] <diwic> czajkowski, a question against launchpad?
[11:18] <czajkowski> diwic: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion  yes
[11:18] <czajkowski> and just let us know the detail that need to be changed an any links. thanks
[11:19] <diwic> czajkowski, thanks, will do!
[11:19] <czajkowski> diwic: np,will get to it shortly
[11:20] <odony> jtv: I see...  I'm not sure how the PO comments are supposed to be treated in fact.... they have their sense in the PO template, but what about in a PO.. For a given template it seems having the right comments/hints of where the term come from (source code line etc.) is important
[11:20] <diwic> filed as question 188602
[11:20] <odony> jtv: but once copied in the PO they do not carry that much sense I suppose.... though unfortunately we do give them one
[11:22] <jtv> odony: IIRC we treat comments in the PO as completely separate things, not related to comments in templates.
[11:23] <odony> that's the key point I guess... and I understand that because the term was translated based on a certain set of comments, it kind of  makes sense to carry them over when exporting anywhere, even if that does not match the series' template comments
[11:24] <jtv> Yeah… we had to draw a line between changes that mean you want different data for series, and changes that mean you're updating your data which should benefit all series.
[11:25] <odony> yes..for some reason we assumed from the start that [POT template comments] == [PO comments], but perhaps there is nothing in the GetText standard that says it should be the case
[11:26] <odony> and unfortunately handling our translations differently requires quite a fundamental change in our framework, something that is not doable for past stable series of course (which are meant to be stable)
[11:27] <odony> jtv: I suppose there is no way to partially disable translation sharing for older series, short of disabling completely the export sync for those, right?
[11:28] <jtv> Hmm
[11:28] <jtv> You could rename them.
[11:29] <jtv> I *think* (not sure) that we have cron jobs running now that will notice that two templates are no longer identically named, and go back to duplicating messages instead of sharing.
[11:30] <jtv> It won't affect file names; those are based on the templates' domains.  Their names are really just for how Launchpad refers to them.
[11:30] <jtv> I have to check up on this, but I also have to leave for a bit now.  Would you excuse me?
[11:31] <odony> jtv: right, you mean simply going through the templates list and arbitrarily changing the names without touching anything else...
[11:31] <odony> jtv: certainly, thanks a lot for your help!
[11:58] <jtv> odony: I'm not sure it'll work, and if it does, it won't be instantaneous.
[12:06] <madrazr> Hello everyone, is there a way I can check the build status of the package I uploaded recently?
[12:06] <madrazr> to PPA
[12:06] <jelmer> hi madrazr
[12:06] <madrazr> jelmer: Hello
[12:06] <jelmer> there should be a link to the build from your PPA
[12:06] <jelmer> that will have details on the current status
[12:07] <madrazr> jelmer: checking ...
[12:08] <madrazr> jelmer: is this the correct URL? https://launchpad.net/~madhusudancs/+archive/madhusudancs
[12:08] <madrazr> I see latest updates has nothing
[12:10] <jelmer> madrazr: it doesn't look like there are actually any uploads yet
[12:10] <jelmer> did you get a confirmation email from Launchpad after you uploaded your package?
[12:11] <madrazr> jelmer: nope :(
[12:11] <madrazr> jelmer: however http://dpaste.com/707197/
[12:11] <madrazr> I see this on my shell
[12:12] <jelmer> madrazr: see https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/194
[12:14] <madrazr> jelmer: what is "distribution release's changes list", where would this information be?
[12:14] <madrazr> also I believe I am the signer of the changes file
[12:15] <jelmer> madrazr: the changes list isn't relevant if you upload to a PPA
[12:16] <madrazr> jelmer: Ok
[12:16] <madrazr> jelmer: how about the signer?
[12:16] <madrazr> I believe I am the signer
[12:16] <jelmer> madrazr: does launchpad know about your key?
[12:16] <madrazr> jelmer: I have uploaded the key, but not verified
[12:17] <jelmer> madrazr: I mean, have you added the key to your launchpad account using the web UI?
[12:17] <madrazr> jelmer: yes
[12:18] <madrazr> jelmer: but I received an email to confirm, afterward uploading, so I verified the keys after uploading the package
[12:18] <madrazr> jelmer: does that mean I should try reuploading the package now?
[12:18] <jelmer> madrazr: are you sure ? It's not listed on your Launchpad homepage.
[12:18] <jelmer> madrazr: ah, it is now - yes, you should re-upload after adding the key
[12:19] <madrazr> jelmer: great, sure
[12:19] <madrazr> jelmer: I was verifying as I was talking to you here
[12:19] <madrazr> jelmer: I will try to re-upload now
[12:19] <madrazr> jelmer:
[12:19] <madrazr> Package has already been uploaded to ppa on ppa.launchpad.net
[12:19] <madrazr> Nothing more to do for hello_2.6-1_source.changes
[12:19] <madrazr> how to fix that? :)
[12:20] <jelmer> madrazr: remove the relevant .upload file in your current directory
[12:21] <madrazr> jelmer: cool! uploaded
[12:21]  * madrazr keeps the fingers crossed
[12:21] <madrazr> :)
[12:25] <madrazr> jelmer: I don't see an email or update yet, is there anything else I may be missing?
[12:27] <madrazr> jelmer: ah I see the email(s) now
[12:27] <Sweetshark> Hi there, how do I change the upstream link for precise to the 3.5 series at https://launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+packages
[12:28] <czajkowski> Sweetshark: if you file a question with the details we can change the details. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[12:30] <jelmer> Sweetshark, czajkowski: I think you might be able to change the link yourself if you're in the right team
[12:31] <jelmer> if you click on the relevant "source package" link you should get to another page; there you can change the linker under the "Upstream connections" section
[12:31] <czajkowski> jelmer: possibly am doing a few like that this morning but working on one right now, so if its filed will get to it shortly once I fix the one that is bugging me :)
[12:32] <madrazr> jelmer: is it possible to specify multiple distributions series in the same debian/changelog file?
[12:32] <jelmer> madrazr: no
[12:32] <madrazr> jelmer: Oh Ok
[12:32] <jelmer> czajkowski: hah, ok
[12:32] <madrazr> jelmer: how does it work then if I have to create the binaries for multiple distributions?
[12:32] <madrazr> like say oneiric and precise
[12:34] <jelmer> madrazr: you can copy packages in the web UI from one series to the other
[12:34] <madrazr> jelmer: ah Ok
[12:34] <madrazr> thats cool!
[12:35] <Sweetshark> jelmer: i tried to add an upstream connection, but it fails because precise is already wrongly associated with 3.4
[12:36] <jelmer> Sweetshark: you should be ablet to change the existing upstream connection
[12:36] <jelmer> Sweetshark: from the source package page - changing that association will remove the link to 3.4
[12:37] <odony> jtv: thanks, we'll give it a shot and see how it works...  in any case that would probably be needed only for a single series, if at all. I think I found a low-risk way to patch for our translation system and make  older series work correctly with PO comments from other series.
[12:37] <jtv> odony: great news.  Good luck!
[12:37] <odony> jtv: thanks a lot for your invaluable help, as usual!
[12:37] <jtv> :)
[12:39] <Sweetshark> jelmer: where on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice ? "Show upstream links" leads me back to https://launchpad.net/df-libreoffice/+packages where changing is blocked for me.
[12:42] <jelmer> Sweetshark: directly under "Upstream connections"
[12:42] <jelmer> Sweetshark: there is LibreOffice Productivity Suite ⇒ libreoffice-3-4
[12:42] <jelmer> Sweetshark: after that are an edit icon and a delete icon
[12:45] <Sweetshark> jelmer: no edit/delete icons here.
[12:45] <jelmer> Sweetshark: ah, ok. I guess you're not in the right teams to edit the source package
[12:45] <jelmer> (I'm not entirely clear on what the right team is in this case)
[13:11] <s9iper1> any  problem with launchpad  karma is not updating ?
[16:19] <shashik> HELP! i am not able to sign ubuntu code of conduct, doing the exact same steps..
[16:20] <shashik> getting 1 error
[16:20] <shashik> (7, 9, u'No public key')
[16:20] <EvilResistance> shashik, did you upload a PGP key?  did you link that PGP key with your launchpad account?
[16:20] <shashik> yes
[16:22] <shashik> on doing gpg --fingerprint, i am getting 2 pub id and keys
[16:23] <shashik> i have uploaded one of it
[16:34] <bdrung> hi, i see many icons in front of the email addresses: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-policy/<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:35] <bdrung> is that normal?
[16:35] <EvilResistance> i see that too, i betcha its a bug in that page
[16:35] <EvilResistance> *shrugs*
[16:37] <czajkowski> does look a bit odd
[16:39] <czajkowski> I dont see it on other pages
[16:40] <czajkowski> only see it on the debian pages
[16:40] <EvilResistance> indeed
[16:41] <czajkowski> bdrung: if you want to file a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug  can look at it in a bit and find out more if you want
[16:46] <bdrung> czajkowski: done -> bug #939644
[18:45] <jadoe> i get an error "Invalid OpenID transaction" when clicking "Log in / Register"
[18:48] <lifeless> jadoe: does it say anything else? What URL is in your browser window now?
[18:48] <jadoe> no, only that. https://login.launchpad.net/cDljL1fKp3W8lWtH/+decide
[18:51] <lifeless> and if you start over (at https://launchpad.net/+login) ?
[18:52] <jadoe> Invalid OpenID transaction
[18:52] <jadoe> hm, works in other browsers. firefox only
[18:53] <lifeless> thats very 'cool'. What version of firefox ?
[18:55] <jadoe> 10.0.2 with at least a thousand add-ons
[18:56] <jadoe> works with a new firefox profile. kk
[20:14] <michaelh1> Morning.  I need to upload a 150 MB file as part of the release.  I talked with lifeless yesterday.  The upload still times out.  Help!
[20:22] <james_w> michaelh1, how many retries so far?
[20:22] <michaelh1> james_w: ~once a half hour all yesterday afternoon, twice this morning, repacked down to 100 MB and that fails too
[20:23] <michaelh1> Hurray for uploading from the cloud...
[20:23] <michaelh1> The ~50 MB binary uploads were fine by the same method.
[20:36] <lifeless> michaelh1: try retrying, we've just reconfigured to local disk for one step which -may- help
[20:37] <michaelh1> uploading...
[20:41] <michaelh1> 80 % there...
[20:43] <michaelh1> Nope, timedout.  The upload to Launchpad seemd to go fine.
[20:43] <michaelh1> I have the OOPS if that helps.
[20:50] <michaelh1> Woo!  It uploaded!
[20:52] <lifeless> michaelh1: I would like that oops please
[20:52] <michaelh1> lifeless: sorry, I hit refresh to retry the upload and lost it.
[20:52] <lifeless> hah ah well
[20:53] <michaelh1> So the new librarian will be up and running for next month's release?
[20:53] <lifeless> yes, it won't solve the root cause though
[20:54] <lifeless> which is that we are trying to process a huge amount of data in the main web-requeset loop of zope appservers.
[20:54] <lifeless> the bug I referenced has to be fixed before this will stop being a headache
[21:07] <mwhudson> i thought SANs solved all problems
[21:10] <lifeless> mwhudson: thats inSANity, not SANs
[21:46] <jono> hey all
[21:46] <jono> is there a way in which I can query the test results data in http://results-tracker.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/precise/+testruns/284 with launchpadlib?
[22:08] <wgrant> jono: You'd need to ask whoever controls that these days. It may look like Launchpad, but it's really unrelated.
[22:09] <lifeless> jono: chat to cr3 & co; it uses lazr.restful, but I don't know the incantation to make launchpadlib (or wadllib really) talk to it
[22:32] <Jeroen__> Hi
[22:32] <Jeroen__> I submitted a package to launchpad at it says the waiting time is 22h. Is this normal?
[22:33] <mwhudson> it's not normal, exactly, but its not unheard of
[22:37] <StevenK> We have a bunch of builders missing for testing
[22:42] <_16aR_> Hello
[22:42] <_16aR_> Any admin of launchpad here ?
[22:43] <Jeroen__> hmmmz
[22:43] <Jeroen__> It seems to be pretty bad though
[22:43] <Jeroen__> The waiting time has only increased over the past 12h :S
[22:43] <_16aR_> Like to reset a password or so when the mail address is no more available (server hacked)


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[12:42] <Burgwork> Committed revision 1.
[12:42] <Burgwork> [corey@localhost openuserful] $
[12:42] <Burgwork> woot!
[12:42] <Burgwork> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openuserful/
[12:44] <LaserJock> so what's that going to be?
[12:45] <Burgwork> it already is a pc reservation server
[12:45] <Burgwork> this is a little bit of a throw-code-over-the-wall
[12:46] <LaserJock> heh
[12:47] <Burgwork> want to package it? being tcl, it is pretty easy todo
[12:58] <LaserJock> Burgwork: I'm testing something, can you write my nick real quick?
[12:58] <Burgwork> LaserJock, hmm?
[12:58] <LaserJock> interesting
[12:59] <LaserJock> just testing out my irssi theme ;-)
[02:26] <mpt> mdke, no, I'm still waiting for newz2000 to implement the help.ubuntu.com search
[10:58] <mdke> mpt: that won't happen before Edgy, I wouldn't have thought. Can it be pointed at the wiki search for now?
[11:31] <halfhaggis> Hi all. I want to help out with writing documentation. I've subscribed to the mailing list for a while now to get an idea of how things work. Also downloaded the DocBook stuff from the repo. I figure I'll just try editing grammar etc while I get familiar with the docbook format. Do I just send my changes to the mailing list, or is there a particular admin person I can send them to? It's not like a lot of discussion is needed regarding consi
[11:31] <halfhaggis> stency corrections and the like.
[11:32] <mdke> halfhaggis: sending diffs to the mailing list is great, as described by the wiki
[11:33] <halfhaggis> Ok. thanks
[03:48] <nixternal> mornin'
[04:04] <jjesse> morning, Laser_away is going to submitting his ichthux documentation branch to launchpad if he hasn't already so we all don't screw up :)
[04:07] <nixternal> heheh
[04:08] <nixternal> i did some more changes last night..doctoring up some of the booboos i made to it
[04:08] <nixternal> everything is starting to validate at least
[04:11] <jjesse> cool, my branch is now available from doc.ubuntu/~jjesse/ichthux
[04:11] <jjesse> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~jjesse/ichthux
[04:20] <nixternal> lol..how many branches we working from ;)
[04:21] <jjesse> no clue, i think that's why Laser_away is going to register his branch and makake it somewhat "official"
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #59676 in ubuntu-doc "regenerate russian kubuntu docs for dapper" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59676
[11:07] <mpt> mdke, newz2000 hopes to get it done by next week, which should give enough time for Ubuntu's yelp to be tweaked
  .deb ,   <mousebutton></mousebutton>        <menuchoice><guimenu>Kubuntu Package Menu</guimenu>  <guimenuitem>Install Package</guimenuitem></menuchoice>.</para>
[12:00] <nixternal> ref:  <guimenu>Kubuntu Package Menu</guimenu>     <-- the following text..what is the correct way of adding this after the </guimenu> so it will validate?