[00:37] <Broam> ...
[00:38] <Broam> wait.
[00:38] <Broam> just now? that was like 6 mo ago :P
[00:38] <JonathanD> he is also in carroll county
[00:38] <JonathanD> I told him to come here.
[00:38] <JonathanD> oh, btw...
[00:38] <Broam> I'm not from Carroll County - just in it :)
[00:38] <Broam> ?
[00:38] <JonathanD> fosscon is likely moving to philly this year.
[00:38] <Broam> neat
[00:38] <JonathanD> If you want to come it won't be all that far :P
[00:39] <Broam> I'm going to head to Cabin Fever this weekend. should have endeavored to tell you about it a little earlier than 3 days
[00:39] <Broam> it's in York
[00:39] <JonathanD> ah
[00:39] <JonathanD> well thats not so far
[00:40] <JonathanD> but my grandma is in hospice. I'm not going anywhere.
[01:09] <Broam> I do not believe you should.
[01:10] <Broam> Spending time with her would be more advised.
[01:10] <JonathanD> thats what I've been doing
[01:10] <JonathanD> its just days now


[21:51] <lolzadam> Getting "failed to execute /opt/upstart/sbin/init (error -2)" at boot
[21:52] <lolzadam> After looking up error 2, I see that's "no such file or directory"
[21:53] <lolzadam> The file definitely exists and I have confirmed the correct root partition is mounting without errors. Any ideas?
[22:36] <JanC> -2 != 2


[20:39] <chris11> Is there a terminal command equal to the open command on a mac? I'd like to open the current working directory from the command line.
[21:07] <lynorian> chris11, pcmanfm `pwd`
[21:07] <lynorian> in a file manager if you want to
[21:10] <chris11> ok, thanks.


[00:17] <squeegily> My computer needs the pm-utils --quirk-vbemode-restore to resume from suspend. But when I close the lid to enter sleep mode, it does not use pm-utils and so I have to manually power off the computer
[00:18] <squeegily> What do I need to change to affect the way that the lid-close shuts down the computer?
[00:34] <squeegily> Okay the question I'm wondering is: how do I configure xfce4-power-manager to use pm-utils? Whatever it's currently using doesn't work
[01:28] <xubuntu324> Hello?
[01:33] <knome> ...lo
[13:13] <xubuntu52w> Hi.  I accidently unchecked the 'show menu bar' checkbox under the window toolbar, so it made the toolbar disapear and I'm no longer able to show the toolbar (since the checkbox was inside that toolbar).  Is there an other place where I can reactivate window menu toolbars ?
[13:14] <xubuntu52w> The File Manager window, to be more precise
[13:15] <xubuntu52w> Ah, found a solution (lack of google-fu on my part)
[13:16] <xubuntu52w> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2156253
[13:16] <xubuntu52w> sorry for the noise
[14:06] <squeegily> How do I configure xfce4-power-manager to use pm-utils? Whatever it's currently using doesn't work (my system needs certain pm-utils --quirk-*s to properly resume from sleep)
[14:28] <squeegily> Or does anybody know how to make logind take over power management? Since it's already properly set up for pm-util quirk usage
[15:27] <tingeltangeltom> Good evening all
[15:28] <tingeltangeltom> i have a problem with massive cpu load by using teamspeak, who can help me?
[15:31] <tingeltangeltom> Hmm, no one thay can help me? :(
[15:31] <cfhowlett> tingeltangeltom, ask #ubuntu
[15:31] <tingeltangeltom> ok
[15:33] <tingeltangeltom> cfhowlett you mean the "normal" ubuntu distr. right?
[15:33] <cfhowlett> yes
[15:34] <tingeltangeltom> ok, thx
[16:35] <blackgatonegro> I keep getting this error "An unresolvable problem occurred while initializing the package information. Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message:'E:The package android-studio needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.'" I don't have that package.
[17:40] <jalt> Hi, I want to stick with a LTS version, but Xubuntu support is only 3yrs vs 5 for regular Ubuntu + XFCE DE. Does this make a difference in practice? What happens after the 3yrs elapse? I´m ok with losing support for Xubuntu-only features (ie. desktop customizations) but I want to be able to not upgrade any of the core components for as long as mainline Ubuntu supports them.
[17:40] <xangua> after 3 yars specific xfce packages stop recieving secutiry updates
[17:41] <jalt> I see. Is there a list of such packages?
[17:44] <knome> jalt, in 2016, next LTS version will be released, so you will be able to upgrade to that then
[17:45] <jalt> I know, but that is just it - I do not want to update, not even to another LTS.
[17:45] <knome> why?
[17:46] <jalt> Basically I am doing devel on Matlab and they are iffy with support. Additionally, I have some very old C/C++ source that is a pain to compile with half-recent gcc, let alone future versions, so I´d really stick to a single version.
[17:47] <knome> ok...
[17:47] <jalt> For my own personal usage this would not be a problem, so I totally understand the rationale behind the Xubuntu team.
[17:47] <jalt> *team´s decision.
[17:47] <knome> well, the list of unsupported packages is the diff of packages you get when you install xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu-desktop
[17:48] <knome> or, in other words, any packages that exists in the default xubuntu installation but not ubuntu
[17:48] <jalt> right, but my plan was to install ubuntu server (no dektop) and then add xfce4
[17:48] <jalt> so the diff should be rather small, but I am unsure how to ¨generate¨ it
[17:48] <knome> the xfce packages will not have more than 3 years of support either
[17:49] <jalt> hmm that is news to me. i thought xfce WAS supported by mainline ubuntu too
[17:49] <knome> no, the mainline ubuntu only supports unity stuff
[17:49] <knome> and other things it needs to use
[17:50] <knome> not xfce, since it's not used by ubuntu desktop
[17:52] <mucus> wait, xfce support is being dropped?
[17:52] <knome> mucus, no...
[17:52] <mucus> oh, no big deal either way
[17:52] <knome> xfce will be supported for three years for the LTS versions, as everyhing in xubuntu
[17:53] <knome> but not 5 years as the ubuntu desktop packages
[17:53] <jalt> I don´t doubt you knome, but I am having a hard time sourcing your statement. I was under the impression that everything in the mainline ubuntu repo was ¨supported¨ - i.e. only universe and such were not.
[17:53] <mucus> oh
[17:54] <jalt> Do you have a link to where this support limitation is explained?
[17:54] <knome> jalt, xfce4 is in universe
[17:54] <jalt> well then, that would do it :)
[17:56] <jalt> http://askubuntu.com/questions/16366/whats-the-difference-between-a-long-term-support-release-and-a-normal-release
[17:56] <jalt> The Desktop refers to the packages that are in the main and restricted  repositories, these are the ones that have the little  Ubuntu icon next  to them in Synaptic or are marked as Supported in the Software-Centre  respectively.  The Server packages are the ones in the "server-ship" and "supported-common" seeds (there's a directory of all of the different seeds available).
[17:56] <jalt> If the above is valid, it makes sense.
[17:57] <knome> that's correct
[17:57] <knome> considering that "the desktop" means "the ubuntu desktop desktop"
[17:57] <knome> not "the xubuntu desktop" :)
[17:59] <drc> jalt: knome is the former Xubuntu Project Lead (and probably doesn't want to say "Trust me, I know what I'm talking about"), so I would guess he's pretty well up on the LTS/Release/Support issue with respect to Xubuntu :)
[18:01] <jalt> :D thank you for saying it for him, and thank you knome for your work
[18:01] <knome> jalt, you're welcome
[18:02] <knome> drc, thank you, and of course i don't run screaming "i'm an expert baby" ;)
[18:08] <jalt> just to clarify, if i choose xubuntu lts (or ubuntu lts and add xfce4 packages), 3 yrs from now I will still be able to do apt-get update and get updates to core stuff, but there will simply be no new updates for xfce-related packages on the 14.04 tree. At that point I can take my chances with eventual security issues, or dist-upgrade to 16.04 or whatever the new lts will be called.
[18:09] <Joe_knock> seeing as knome is here. I thought I'd ask if there will be support for the fork of debian called Devuan or something with XFCE
[18:09] <drc> opps...sorry knome, for outing you.
[18:10] <knome> Joe_knock, not here at least, you'd have to ask support from the fork developers
[18:10] <knome> drc, no, that's ok really :P
[18:10] <knome> i'm not specifically trying to hide the fact either...
[18:10] <xangua> jalt: Yes, and  I think 3 years is a pretty good deal, back when only the default ubuntu desktop was only supported 3 years and server related 5 years but xfce and other desktop didn't even had LTS support
[18:10] <Joe_knock> in terms of how XFCE works though, how connected is it to systemd?
[18:10] <Joe_knock> There
[18:10] <jalt> yes, not complaining at all, just want to make an informed choice now to avoid surprises in the future
[18:10] <Joe_knock> there
[18:11] <Joe_knock> There's been steady growth in support for XFCE
[18:11] <knome> Joe_knock, not the best one to answer that, but if systemd will be in ubuntu, the xubuntu team will most likely do their best to make it work with xfce
[18:12] <Joe_knock> aah crap. This has been my go-to desktop for 2 years now. I'll have to work with the devuan guys to make XFCE work there
[18:12] <jalt> afaik, current xfce is not really dependend on anyting systemd specific but gtk2 is out and gtk3 requires some systemd-related stuff logind + consolekit? which may or may not end up having non-systemd based drop in replacements
[18:13] <knome> i don't think anybody wants to make xfce actually *dependent* of anything... but supporting systemd is a different thing
[18:15] <Joe_knock> if there can be a layer in between systemd and xfce, that would be better. Then XFCE can work in other non-systemd places
[18:16] <knome> anyway, #xfce is probably better for that discussion, and if you are willing/able to help with the transition, then #xfce-dev is a good place
[18:16] <Joe_knock> wow, I didnt know there was a specific channel for xfce. Let me try asking them there
[18:16] <knome> while the xubuntu team contributes to xfce, we're still mostly the downstream, seeing where xfce go and trying to make that direction work with where ubuntu is going
[18:18] <jalt> not sure you want to go where ubuntu is going tee hee, but i kid.
[18:19] <knome> well, we want to give all new technologies a fair chance
[18:19] <Joe_knock> knome: So Xubuntu and XFCE are 2 different teams?
[18:19] <knome> Joe_knock, yep
[18:20] <Joe_knock> I always thought the 2 teams were more tightly coupled
[18:20] <jalt> xfce is the desktop, xubuntu is the distro. xfce is used by xubuntu, just like unity is used by mainline ubuntu.
[18:21] <knome> Joe_knock, many people in xubuntu are more or less doing things for xfce, but yeah, it's definitely two different teams
[18:21] <knome> jalt, the caveat being that unity is developed by the same company as ubuntu, so the teams are that way more tied together
[18:21] <jalt> if you have xubuntu installed you try logging in with the xfce session and see the differences that the xubuntu-team made to stock xfce
[18:22] <knome> there is no similar umbrella organization or team for xubuntu and xfce, or kubuntu and kde etc...
[18:22] <jalt> while i understand that the lack of such company implies a lack of funds / consolidated steering committee it also means you won´t be going down that retarded everything-is-a-tablet road.
[18:23] <knome> we should really continue this discussion on #xubuntu-offtopic (welcome!)
[18:25] <Joe_knock> things are quiet enough here that I don't think it matters where we discuss it?
[18:25] <drc> Joe_knock: that's not the idea, #xubuntu is for support, #xubuntu-offtopic is for chat :)
[18:25] <knome> well, the goal is to keep the channel always clear for support questions
[18:25] <jalt> alright, back on topic, where can I get a list (or files?) of the default themes/bakcgrounds that were used on previous xubuntu versions? I´m pretty sure I can change them manually, but I would like to use some references. I think the one I am looking for is  10.10 but i´d rather glance at them all.
[18:27] <Joe_knock> okay cool. Well my question is for the "Action Buttons" item in the panel. When I click on lock screen, it does nothing.
[18:27] <knome> jalt, you'll want to investigate the source for xubuntu-artwork
[18:34] <jalt> thank you knome, that is it.
[19:16] <brainwash> Joe_knock: does anything happen if you run the command "xflock4"?
[19:18] <Joe_knock> brainwash: on the commandline?
[19:18] <brainwash> Joe_knock: yes
[19:19] <Joe_knock> let me give it a try. Just waiting for my VM to finish installing
[19:19] <brainwash> xflock4 is a simple wrapper script which will try to launch various screen lockers
[19:20] <brainwash> I assume that it's also executed if you select the lock screen option in the action button menu
[19:20] <Joe_knock> How did Action Buttons become external? It was previously a core part of 12.04, brainwash
[19:20] <brainwash> external?
[19:21] <Joe_knock> in brackets it says: external
[19:24] <brainwash> I don't know
[19:24] <brainwash> it should be an internal panel plugin (part of xfce4-panel)
[19:25] <brainwash> and generally, whisker menu made the action buttons somewhat obsolete, so they have been removed from the panel in 14.04
[19:26] <Joe_knock> brainwash: Old habits :P I was used to having them split up. Whisker menus UX isn't too nice
[19:27] <brainwash> it's just the default panel design, you can tweak and customize it the way you like it :)
[19:29] <brainwash> there was some development on a little tool for the panel which would allow the user to load/save different panel setups
[19:29] <brainwash> including some preconfigured ones
[19:29] <brainwash> however, still work in progress
[21:35] <xubuntu67w> Hi
[21:35] <xubuntu67w> I need help
[21:36] <holstein> xubuntu67w: sure.. just ask and a volunteer will try
[21:38] <xubuntu67w> When you restart or turn off my PC it is done correctly, and I have to turn it off from the power button. I did not and found nothing on internet forums.
[21:39] <holstein> xubuntu67w: i would simply look for and apply updates and reboot and test
[21:39] <holstein> http://www.unixmen.com/fix-shutdown-power-computer-ubuntu-14-04/
[21:40] <holstein> xubuntu67w:  i also suggest the #ubuntu channel in your native language
[21:42] <tadeo> Hi
[21:42] <tadeo> hola
[21:42] <tadeo> necesito ayuda
[21:42] <tadeo> i need help
[21:43] <Joe_knock> hello and welcome newbies. Please dont ask to ask. Just ask about your problem and somebody will answer.
[21:44] <deshipu> !pt | tadeo
[21:45] <tadeo> Spanish!!!
[21:45] <tadeo> Spinshi?
[21:45] <holstein> !es
[21:45] <tadeo> Gracias
[21:45] <holstein> tadeo: http://www.unixmen.com/fix-shutdown-power-computer-ubuntu-14-04/
[21:46] <tadeo> eso necesito escribirlo en una terminal=
[21:46] <tadeo> ?
[21:47] <Joe_knock> !gr
[21:47] <holstein> tadeo: http://www.unixmen.com/fix-shutdown-power-computer-ubuntu-14-04/ is what you use.. if it doesnt work, as in the spanish speaking channel
[21:47] <Joe_knock> !ge
[21:47] <Joe_knock> :-/
[21:47] <holstein> Joe_knock: you can query the bot
[21:48] <Joe_knock> i was trying german but neither of those 2 are it
[21:48] <holstein> !de


[21:02] <akgraner> Just commented out the "You can subscribe to the Ubuntu Weekly News via RSS at: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/uwn/feed" on the UWN wiki - since it's broken...That was the old RSS Feed.  Just wanted you all to know
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks Amber =)
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going by the way akgraner ?
[21:04] <akgraner> it being me or it being UWN?
[21:04] <akgraner> both are well :-) UWN is always need of help with summaries though..:-)
[21:05] <akgraner> as well as stats and stuff...
[21:16] <MrChrisDruif> Well, I was aiming for the person instead of the project ;-)
[23:23] <akgraner> crap - just got back - I'll catch up with MrChrisDruif later I guess..


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[00:15] <ScottL> themuso, sorry to see you go :(
[00:16] <TheMuso> ScottL: Thanks. I wish I had enough time and energy for lots of FOSS projects I care about, but alass this is not the case.
[00:21] <persia> TheMuso: Thanks for making the resignation and reasons clear.  I'm not sure who can step into your shoes, but at least there is some time.
[00:22] <TheMuso> persia: No problem. Re who fills my shoes, I am unsure either, however I will burn out if I don't cut something loose. The goings on in the text to speech field have muddy waters atm, and I want to giv emy full community time focus to them to clear those muddy waters. :)
[00:22] <persia> Indeed.  That's an area that will benefit far more from your attention than here.
[00:23] <persia> Debian Multimedia does an amazing job, and so while there's work to be done here, it's something many can learn to do.  Learning to do text to speech requires much deeper investigation.
[00:23] <TheMuso> Yeah I agree.
[00:26] <rlameiro> TheMuso: sad day :(
[00:26] <rlameiro> but I hope that you acomplish everything you want
[00:26] <rlameiro> :D
[00:26] <TheMuso> rlameiro: For the project, possibly. For me, not so much. It would be a sadder day if I totally burned out.
[00:26] <rlameiro> indeed
[00:27] <rlameiro> TheMuso: I could helped more if my technical abilites were stronger
[00:27] <rlameiro> but i think you are making a good choice
[00:28] <rlameiro> I really need to learn to make deb packages :D
[00:30] <persia> rlameiro: Actually, 90% of the work needed is precisely not making packages.
[00:30] <rlameiro> well
[00:30] <persia> It's stuff like making sure the installer works, and that the correct selection of software is installed.
[00:31] <rlameiro> I do not programm in C yest
[00:31] <persia> That's fine.
[00:31] <rlameiro> and my graphic abilities are ..... welllll
[00:31] <rlameiro> very bad
[00:31] <rlameiro> but what is needed more at the moment
[00:31] <rlameiro> maybe there is something that i can do
[00:31] <rlameiro> or i would want to learn and do
[00:32] <rlameiro> I did ported studio controls from libglade to gtkbuilder
[00:32] <rlameiro> nothing spetial
[00:32] <rlameiro> but i needed to study the gtkbuilder api to do it
[00:32] <rlameiro> what can i do to help?
[00:33] <persia> Right now?  Look for bugs in our packages.  Try to find fixes in Debian/Upstream/in other distros.
[00:33] <persia> Apply, test.
[00:34] <persia> Test daily images to make sure that they can install.  Test applications to make sure bugs are reported.
[00:35] <rlameiro> ok
[00:35] <rlameiro> will look into that
[00:36] <rlameiro> i am waiting for my second hdd to make a partition for iso testing only
[00:36] <rlameiro> will test with usb audio interface and firewire
[00:36] <rlameiro> and also the restricted modules for wifi on the RT kernel
[00:42] <ScottL> TheMuso, thank you for working with me and sharing your experience.  I feel fortunate to have worked with you
[00:43] <TheMuso> ScottL: Thanks, I appreciate your comments.
[04:07] <ScottL> persia:  you around?
[04:07] <persia> Usually.
[04:12] <ScottL> trying to work on plymouth and I need to install gtk+-2.0=>2.12 but it appears to be uninstallable right now.  is there a definitive way to find out why?
[04:12] <ScottL> this is in lucid btw
[04:13] <persia> aptitude why-not is usually recommended
[04:13] <ScottL> i shall try that..thanks :)
[04:52] <ScottL> hah, i'm bonkers, sudo apt-get update worked
[04:53] <ScottL> and i've built plymouth with x11 plugin support, but I had to do it with sudo make install and now things are getting weird
[04:53] <persia> Hrm?
[04:53] <persia> Did the base packages in lucid not work for you?
[04:54] <persia> I think you're going at this the hard way :)
[04:54] <ScottL> yeah, probably   lolz
[04:54] <persia> are you in a lucid environment?
[04:54] <ScottL> hold on
[05:01] <ScottL_> persia, was putting son to bed and moving back upstairs
[05:01] <ScottL_> i'm in lucid environment now
[05:03] <persia> Cool.
[05:03] <persia> So, in that environment, you should be able to just apt-get install any packages or development libraries you need, rather than compiling them.
[05:04] <ScottL_> well, perhaps I misled you...i'm running the lucid alpha, it's not a pbuilder environment
[05:05] <ScottL_> i see there is a plymouth-x11 package
[05:06] <persia> Right, so apt-get install plymouth-x11 will install it, without you needing to build it.
[05:06] <ScottL_> done
[05:07] <ScottL_> but its still telling me to run plymouthd as root and i worry it will bork video
[05:07] <persia> Great.  You've just saved yourself a build.  What's next on your shopping list?
[05:07] <persia> It may well bork video.
[05:07] <persia> plymouth tries to do that.
[05:08] <persia> When it does, reboot.  Maybe to single-user, and change the config thing you changed back.
[05:08] <ScottL_> oh cool, it's working this time :)
[05:09] <persia> Excellent.  Easier this way, no?
[05:09] <ScottL_> heh, well, yeah
[05:10] <ScottL_> i had found a tutorial on ubuntu forums that mentioned about building the x11 support in a ppa and biased my thoughts that I would need to do it also
[05:10] <ScottL_> couple that with the fedora tutorial and well, I went to town building it
[05:11] <ScottL_> okay, i accomplished my goal to get plymouth working tonight and I get up in six or so hours, so I bid you goodnight
[10:23] <jussi01> ScottL: ping
[10:23] <jussi01> oh
[10:23] <jussi01> he went bedways...
[10:23] <jussi01> tomorrow then.
[12:47] <ScottL> jussi01, okay, I was thinking of waiting another day just to give other people a chance to respond to my email before I contacted jdong again unless you think we should just go ahead and move forward
[12:47] <jussi01> hrm, I wonder why we have 2 logbots...
[12:49] <jussi01> ScottL: just mail the list, say something like, ok, looks like we go with ubuntu studio, unless anyone has any final issues? then say you will get it changed tomorrow if there is no objections on the list
[12:50] <ScottL> jussi01, after I get the kids up and ready I'll send the email
[12:50] <jussi01> :)
[13:00] <ScottL> jussi01, I just had a thought...when I first read your email about the name change I was favoring using "Ubuntu Studio Support" and I was gong to actually argue for it but
[13:01] <ScottL> the word "support" connotes something you need when something else it wrong and this would limit the scope, or perceived scope, of the forum
[13:02] <ScottL> "ubuntu studio" is open to ALL discussions about studio and not just when something is broke
[13:10] <jussi01> yes
[17:01] <ScottL> persia, ubuntu studio plymouth splash proof of concept - http://fossmusicproject.org/public/ubuntustudio-plymouth-poc.png
[17:01] <ScottL> it's not pretty but it tests well
[17:20] <ScottL> jussi01, persia TheMuso : if anyone has an artistic direction we want to go with the plymouth theme please let me know and I'll work in that direction
[17:20] <ScottL> for the current time (in the above screenshot) I just used the existing ubuntu_logo them and replaced a few things
[17:20] <ScottL> but perhaps we want to stay the the "ubuntu studio" outline which fills in as progress bar usplash graphcis
[17:21] <ScottL> (basically what we have now but translated to plymouth)
[18:55] <ScottL> plymouth theme update:   http://fossmusicproject.org/public/ubuntustudio-plymouth-2.png
[18:57] <ScottL> changed back to existing usplash artistic direction but notice the progress bar, it works well for a single, solid bar to be scaled and "unscaled" to fit
[18:57] <ScottL> but I'll looking at the other existing themes to see if I can steal their progress bar code


[01:01] <tkamppeter> Hi, I have uploaded HPLIP-3.15.2 to Vivid which depends on python3-reportlab. python3-reportlab (binary package) is in Universe whereas its source, python-reportlab is in Main. Do I need to report a MIR bug or is it not neede as the source is already in Main?
[06:50] <ypwong> starting from yesterday's ubuntu kylin 14.04.2 image, light-themes was removed. Does anyone know any recent changes in trusty that caused this?
[06:50] <ypwong> we reported the bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1418351
[08:51] <jibel> infinity, the release of 14.04.2 won't be this week, right?
[08:54] <darkxst> jibel, no
[08:55] <darkxst> jibel, seems the infinity bot forgot to tell any of the flavours ;)
[08:55] <darkxst> maybe ubuntu as well?
[08:55] <jibel> darkxst, yes, it seems so even for Ubuntu.
[08:55] <infinity> jibel: Oh jey, just the man I wanted to talk to.
[08:55] <infinity> s/jey/hey/
[08:56] <infinity> jibel: So, I intend to delay it for a week, but before I set a date, I wanted to ask you how much lead time you and your team need for your testing.
[08:56] <infinity> jibel: ie: to release next Thursday, when do you need RC images?
[08:58] <jibel> infinity, I won't have resources next week, we have another release to deal with. But to release on a Thursday we'd need images on Tuesday morning to give us 2 full days of testing and time for a possible respin
[08:58] <infinity> jibel: Err, oh.  Uhm.  Another release to deal with?
[08:59] <jibel> infinity, there is a release of the phone every 2 weeks, and next milestone is next week
[09:00] <elfy> the week after that - flavours will be dealing with beta 1
[09:00] <elfy> just mentioning that
[09:00] <infinity> jibel: So, we've never talked to phone people about aligning with a once-every-two-week cadence.  Ever.  What would happen if we'd collided?
[09:06] <tjaalton> if a package is listed as "valid candidate" on update_excuses, what's holding it back from migrating to vivid?
[09:31] <cjwatson> tjaalton: check update_output; update_excuses is only the first stage.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[11:23] <tjaalton> cjwatson: ah, I see..
[11:52] <tjaalton> right, kwin got built against the old libinput, meh
[17:33] <wxl> infinity: did we make a decision on 14.04.2?
[17:57] <wxl> elfy: did you have people testing trusty daily before we started trusting the official point release?
[17:57] <elfy> wxl afaik next week for .2
[17:58] <wxl> elfy: yeah i saw
[17:58] <elfy> no - they started once I'd seen it was available and pinged our testers
[17:58] <wxl> dang that sucks
[17:58] <wxl> i think with the 2 day window we're going to have to do a bigger lead up in dailies
[17:59] <elfy> we're not testing anything but vivid dailes - I assume you mean trusty milestones
[17:59] <wxl> yeah
[17:59] <wxl> that's the same boat we're in
[18:00] <wxl> and now i'm thinking we should do otherwise
[18:00] <elfy> nto sure what you mean
[18:01] <elfy> I guess I get half a day on you being UTC=more or less my time of the day :)
[18:01] <wxl> elfy: focus more effort on testing lts dailies
[18:01] <elfy> I won't
[18:01] <wxl> no?
[18:02] <elfy> it's an uphill struggle though treacle to get people to test the dev daily
[18:02] <wxl> yeah well i understand that
[18:02] <wxl> but you can at least have dreams :)
[18:02] <elfy> we'll test LTS when there's a milestone
[18:02] <elfy> wxl: ha ha ha
[18:05] <bdmurray> tjaalton: ready?
[18:13] <tjaalton> bdmurray: yup
[18:45] <wxl> elfy: one other thing. do we have any idea how to actually fix the problem?
[18:47] <elfy> I don't
[18:48] <elfy> I know if I remove ibus which has turned up it want's to then install some gnome-blah-centre - which purging removes all the qt5 stuff we've got
[18:49] <elfy> pretty sure there's a dependency change causing it - but I've not got the first idea where to look - someone else is :)
[18:49] <wxl> let's rephase, elfy: what causes it/ :)
[18:49] <elfy> no idea :)
[21:10] <w-flo> so 14.04.2 is probably postponed (though I can't find an announcement for that), but I wonder if the various xorg packages and mesa backports can move to trusty-updates soonish, i.e. before 14.04.2 release?
[23:18] <jdstrand> slangasek: hey, what seeds generated http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/trusty/daily/current/?
[23:19] <wxl> packing issues, jdstrand ?
[23:19] <jdstrand> no
[23:20] <wxl> well then it's just the rest of us having them then ;)
[23:20] <jdstrand> I see ubuntu-core.utopic and ubuntu-core.vivid seeds in bzr, but I don't know what generated trusty and lower
[23:20] <wxl> ah curious
[23:44] <jdstrand> slangasek: also, where are the seeds for snappy for ubuntu core?
[23:45] <jdstrand> slangasek: also, I noticed that ubuntu-core.vivid is still using 'include platform.utopic'. I'm not sure if that should be 'include platform.vivid'
[23:48] <jdstrand> slangasek: I guess the answer for trusty is the standard seed from ubuntu.trusty