[12:24] <jjesse> remember when i said i hate chicago airport
[12:29] <jjesse> stupid plane is canceled or delayed and they can't gaurnetee i'll make my connection
[12:33] <fdoving> nice, airports are fun. they have been flying for many many years, but the airport system still doesn't work well.
[12:33] <jjesse> yeah i was supposed to be in omaha nebraska to teach a class tomorrow morning at 8am
[12:33] <jjesse> but can't get ther until 10am tomorrow now
[12:34] <jjesse> air traffic controllers are delaying the flights due to "low ceiling"
[12:35] <fdoving> fun. ohwell.
[12:36] <fdoving> not much we can do about the weather.
[12:36] <jjesse> yup now i have a 6am flight to catch
[01:09] <nixternal> jjesse: so no flight ey
[01:09] <nixternal> it is sunny and warm here in Chicago right now :)
[01:19] <ryanakca> lol
[01:23] <ryanakca> should I test kde4 with the kubuntu.org packages or built from source?
[01:24] <_lucky_> the packages are now quite old
[01:25] <ryanakca> okies, from source it is
[01:25] <_lucky_> yes but there some minutes breakage, don't expect to compile all the modules tonight
[01:25] <_lucky_> kdenetwork for instance
[01:26] <_lucky_> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 good starting point
[01:34] <jjesse> nixternal: seriously sunny?
[01:34] <nixternal> super sunny
[01:34] <jjesse> all i heard was "there is a low ceiling and we can't gaurentee any flights"
[01:34] <nixternal> I can see clouds over the lake heading your way
[01:34] <jjesse> must have been it
[01:35] <nixternal> the planes are flying..I am in the path of the main runway
[01:35] <jjesse> i don't understand how things work
[01:35] <nixternal> we have had popcorn showers and storms, nothing crazy though
[01:35] <nixternal> jjesse: they make sh*t up all of the time
[01:35] <jjesse> yup, i was supposed to be in omaha ne for a class at 8am tomorrow
[01:35] <jjesse> now i don't get into omaha until 10am
[01:36] <nixternal> when were you supposed to fly out?
[01:36] <jjesse> 6 est
[01:36] <nixternal> today?
[01:36] <nixternal> tomorrow?
[01:36] <nixternal> next year?
[01:36] <jjesse> i was supposed to land at 6:30 in chicago and fly out to omaha at 8pm
[01:36] <jjesse> today
[01:36] <nixternal> ahh
[01:36] <jjesse> but the planes were all delayed and i wouldn't make my connection or something like that
[01:36] <nixternal> you should have just hopped in a rental
[01:36] <nixternal> 3 hours and you would have been here
[01:37] <jjesse> yeah i could have but oh well
[01:37] <nixternal> hehe
[01:37] <jjesse> now i have a 6am flight out of gr to chicago
[01:37] <nixternal> and that is cheaper and you spend the same amount of time as you would flying
[01:37] <jjesse> and then an 8am out of chicago to ne
[01:37] <jjesse> oh well, time to go pick up dinner be back later
[01:37] <nixternal> later
[02:17] <jjesse> back
[02:19] <ryanakca> wb
[02:24] <jjesse> thanks ryanakca
[03:54] <Hobbsee> morning all
[04:01] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal :)
[07:53] <mhb> good morning
[07:54] <nixternal> mornin'
[07:54] <mhb> nixternal: well definitely not me :o)
[07:55] <nixternal> hehe
[07:55] <nixternal> the only issue I see someone having is with the copyright file, and if they do, I have enough firepower to back it up
[07:55] <nixternal> it is GPL, but the author likes to remain anonymous to an extent
[07:56] <crimsun> there's nothing in the GPL that states a pseudonymn cannot be used.
[07:57] <crimsun> it makes it more difficult for the originator to enforce claims, but it doesn't affect the source code itself, which is ultimately what matters
[08:00] <nixternal> crimsun: that I found out...I dont' care how many people tried to argue laws, there is some sort of weird Bern* something rule that allows for it internationally, and the FSF allows it
[08:00] <nixternal> the FSF goes as far as verifying the license as well
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hi
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: hi
[08:37] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[08:37] <Hobbsee> !
[08:37] <Jucato> yo DaSkreech
[08:37] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[08:38] <nixternal> boo
[08:38] <Jucato> :)
[08:39] <nixternal> logging out after dist-upgrade crashed
[08:43] <nixternal> oh wow
[08:43] <nixternal> seens?
[08:43] <nixternal> 1:45am
[08:43] <nixternal> that's why
[08:43] <nixternal> wo0t!
[08:44] <DaSkreech> sid up?
[08:44] <nixternal> embedded http library WORKS! embedded HGET, HPOST, HHEAD WORKS! libhttp-dev, libhttp-dbg WORKS! new Plucker Desktop WORKS! KPlayer WORKS!
[08:44] <nixternal> I am batting 1000 tonight with Debian builds
[08:44] <nixternal> close the ITPs, RFS, sleep....
[08:45] <nixternal> soon, we will have goodies that will wipe out some annoying boogs
[08:45] <DaSkreech> kde4 ?
[08:45] <nixternal> KDE whatever! :)
[08:45] <nixternal> version .whatever
[08:46] <nixternal> well, I am leaving the KDE 4 stuff up to the Debian KDE 4 people
[08:46] <nixternal> they are rigorous
[08:47] <nixternal> eww
[08:47] <nixternal> Konqui FTW
[08:47] <Jucato> Konqi!!!!
[08:47] <Jucato> :)
[08:48] <DaSkreech> dolphin!
[08:48] <nixternal> I only have to use FF for my bank..and that is enough pain right there
[08:48] <nixternal> nothing like pressing the little icon and watching it bounce almost to timeout, and then boom, my Kubuntu welcome page ;)
[08:49] <nixternal> Konqui, I just think about opening Konqui, and Kubuntu does it...great stuff
[08:50] <Jucato> you think about opening Konqi and Kubuntu does it? you have some sort of thought recognition device in there?
[08:50] <nixternal> ya, it is called KDE..it is just that darn smart
[08:51] <Jucato> hehehe :)
[08:52] <Tm_T> it IS!
[08:52] <Tm_T> outsmart me every day
[08:52] <Tm_T> not that would demand much
[08:52] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:52] <nixternal> same here
[08:52] <nixternal> dolphin don't browse the intarweb though does it?
[08:53] <Tm_T> "be smart, use KDE"
[08:53] <Tm_T> "KDE, outsmart you every day"
[08:53] <Tm_T> "why be dumb whenyou can be smart with KDE"
[08:53] <Tm_T> hehahahahaha
[08:54] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:54] <Jucato> nixternal: no it doesn't. Dolphin is a dedicated file manager only... no embedded previews either
[08:54] <nixternal> ahh
[08:54] <nixternal> konqui ftw!
[09:00] <Tm_T> nice, I have to call, so I have to disconnect from internet =)
[09:00] <Jucato> :/
[09:00] <Tm_T> see you on the other side ->
[09:01] <DaSkreech> nixternal: tried the new kmymoney?
[09:01] <nixternal> not yet...I need to..last time I tried they didn't import my bank statements worth a junk
[09:02] <nixternal> and I wasn't to happy about the usability either
[09:02] <DaSkreech> I like the new one
[09:08] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:08] <Jucato> gn8 nixternal!
[09:44] <siretart> Riddell: xine-lib 1.1.6 has been built now successfully. I think that's what Tonio needed for new kaffeine
[09:49] <Tonio_> heya ;)
[09:49] <raphink> hi siretart && Tonio_
[09:49] <Tonio_> raphink: ;)
[09:49] <raphink> a roule?
[09:49] <siretart> hey raphink, hi Tonio_!
[09:50] <raphink> what's up siretart?
[09:50] <siretart> Tonio_: xine-lib 1.1.6 has been built now successfully. I think that's what you need for new kaffeine
[09:50] <siretart> raphink: thanks, fine, and yourself?
[09:50] <Tonio_> siretart: perfect ! will upload today :)
[09:50] <Tonio_> raphink: http://launchpad.net/kdesudo
[09:50] <Tonio_> raphink: :)
[09:50] <raphink> I'm good siretart
[09:51] <raphink> ah super kdesudo
[09:51] <raphink> trs bien
[09:51] <Tonio_> raphink: based on a 4 year unmaintained code.....
[09:51] <Tonio_> I love free software :)
[09:51] <raphink> hehe yes
[09:51] <raphink> who is the new maintainer then?
[09:52] <Tonio_> me :'(
[09:52] <raphink> tu fais du C?
[09:52] <Tonio_> raphink: well there is a team for this, including me, mhb, _stefans_...
[09:52] <raphink> je te vois pas dans les admins sur sourceforge
[09:52] <raphink> ah
[09:52] <Tonio_> raphink: I don't know anything about c++, that's the funny thing :)
[09:52] <raphink> but you're not using the sourceforge page ?
[09:53] <Tonio_> raphink: upstream is gone for 4 years, no chance to get the key of the sourceforge page....
[09:53] <Tonio_> raphink: we will use launchpad + kde-apps to release the tarballs
[09:53] <raphink> how about contacting sourceforge about it?
[09:53] <raphink> ok
[09:53] <raphink> nice
[09:53] <Tonio_> raphink: bah sourceforge is nice for cvs and bugtracker, but for this we have launchpad, so.......
[09:54] <raphink> yes
[09:54] <Tonio_> raphink: it already works, fancy testing ?
[09:54] <Tonio_> I have a deb ;)
[09:54] <siretart> Tonio_: you seriously like sf's bugtracker?!
[09:55] <raphink> Tonio_: hmm sure
[09:55] <Tonio_> siretart: no ;) but I said the functionnality was there
[09:55] <Tonio_> siretart: I don't feel the need of sourceforge for such a project
[09:55] <Tonio_> raphink: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp
[09:56] <Tonio_> raphink: the deb install a dpkg-divert rule for kdesu, so just use "kdesu adept_manager" for example
[09:56] <siretart> the problem is that xine's bugtracker is still at sf, and they don't want to move to anywhere else
[09:56] <Tonio_> raphink: should remember the passwors
[09:56] <Tonio_> raphink: no need to launch it twice ;)
[09:56] <siretart> that's why the bugpages for the xine packages are so filled up :(
[09:56] <raphink> a marche sous feisty?
[09:56] <Tonio_> raphink: and it resolves the app name + icon via the desktop file
[09:56] <Tonio_> raphink: waip
[09:56] <raphink> k
[09:57] <Tonio_> all we need now is the fade effect by _stefans_ and we can release a tarball :)
[09:57] <raphink> the fade effect?
[09:57] <Tonio_> raphink: same than on logout, and same than gksudo uses
[09:58] <raphink> ok
[09:58] <Tonio_> raphink: there is a little bug when using X-Kde-SubstitudeUID, icon and app name are not resolved, so try command line
[09:58] <Tonio_> btw, that'll work from the kmenu, except the fancy things are gone :(
[09:58] <raphink> you also miss a bash_completion rule
[09:58] <raphink> ;)
[09:59] <_marseillais> hi
[09:59] <raphink> that's something I could do at least
[09:59] <raphink> hi _marseillais
[09:59] <Tonio_> raphink: hum, true ;)
[09:59] <_marseillais> hi raphink
[09:59] <raphink> c'est mon truc les rgles de completion maintenant
[09:59] <raphink> :)
[09:59] <Tonio_> raphink: well I don't use bash anymore ;)
[10:00] <raphink> ah!
[10:00] <raphink> bah
[10:00] <Tonio_> zsh rules
[10:00] <_marseillais> in a source package is it acceptable if there is a debian-something dir ? i've ask smplayer dev to remove his debian dir and he rename it in debian-rvm....
[10:00] <Tonio_> completion is 10x better than with bash
[10:00] <Tonio_> lots of things are really better
[10:01] <Tonio_> _marseillais: I generally rebuild the tarball without the debian stuff, and put en changelog entry for this
[10:01] <raphink> yep, that's the best option imo
[10:01] <Tonio_> except when the packaging is nice, which never happens :)
[10:01] <raphink> _marseillais: the problem with existant debian/ dirs is that we're not the maintainers of it
[10:02] <raphink> so we're stuck with following their changelogs and so on
[10:02] <raphink> when debian/ should our field of action
[10:02] <Tonio_> raphink: and they generally are done upstream, which means bad packaging, most of the time
[10:02] <_marseillais> Tonio_, oki i'll do that i didn't it was allowed
[10:02] <Tonio_> _marseillais: it is :)
[10:02] <raphink> there's a problem with the dpkg-divert with kdesu Tonio_
[10:02] <raphink> which is the options
[10:02] <raphink> I don't really think it's a great idea
[10:02] <Tonio_> hu ?
[10:03] <raphink> because kdesu and kdesudo don't take the same options
[10:03] <Tonio_> where is the problem ?
[10:03] <raphink> and don't have the same man pages
[10:03] <Tonio_> raphink: I know I have to divert the man too
[10:03] <raphink> :s
[10:03] <raphink> what if people still want to use kdesu?
[10:03] <raphink> I don't expect anyone to use dpkg-divert
[10:04] <Tonio_> raphink: they have to remove the package...
[10:04] <raphink> that's a problem
[10:04] <raphink> why can't users have both programs installed?
[10:04] <Tonio_> raphink: we are not going to patch the all kde to use kdesudo as backend for krun and X-Kde-SubstitudeUID
[10:04] <Tonio_> that would be nightmare stuff
[10:04] <raphink> how about developers who need to be sure that their program will run fine with both kdesu and kdesudo?
[10:05] <Tonio_> raphink: because kdesu is hardcoded anywhere in kde, there is no way to set the app we want as default
[10:05] <Tonio_> that's the issue
[10:05] <raphink> ah
[10:05] <Tonio_> of course I'd do that differently if I could
[10:05] <raphink> there's no variable in kderc for that?
[10:05] <Tonio_> raphink: the current work on kdesudo is to make it compatible with kdesu options
[10:05] <Tonio_> we already added teh -c, --comment
[10:06] <raphink> ok
[10:08] <Tonio_> raphink: I hope to have something 100% command line compatible with kdesu in about a month
[10:08] <raphink> ok
[10:08] <raphink> :)
[10:42] <Tonio_> mhb: hey ;)
[11:30] <mhb> oh no, I missed Tonio again
[11:35] <Riddell> yes, me too, I hope he uploads kaffeine before the freeze
[11:36] <_marseillais> wich freeze ? it's not in august ?
[11:37] <Riddell> the Tribe 1 freeze
[11:37] <mhb> _marseillais: tribe 1 freeze
[11:38] <mhb> _marseillais: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[11:38] <_marseillais> mhb, thanks i was asking you that link
[11:38] <_marseillais> :)
[11:53] <fdoving> is revu dead?
[12:07] <glatzor> Riddell: morning. when do you plan to upload the new python-kde3 3.17? guidance depends on it.
[12:07] <Riddell> glatzor: I'll look at that now
[12:09] <glatzor> cool
[12:16] <crimsun> fdoving: machine's down for new kernel/maintenance
[01:16] <Tm_T> Kate & Kontact crashing on quit
[01:19] <mhb> Tm_T: now that is a completely useless message to us :o) (sorry for the joke, I mean it well)
[01:20] <mhb> Tm_T: you know, if you want to get it fixed, report a bug about it and include lots of information (release, KDE version, crash backtrace, etc.)
[01:21] <mhb> Tm_T: and pray that a developer can reproduce it
[01:24] <Tm_T> mhb: err
[01:24] <Tm_T> why you're telling me this?
[01:25] <mhb> Jucato: not personally, no...
[01:25] <Jucato> Tm_T: serves you right for being too elusive :P
[01:25] <Jucato> er.. "elusive" really isn't the correct adjective..
[01:25] <mhb> Tm_T: I'd tell the first line to everyone
[01:26] <mhb> Tm_T: and those others are because I'm a nice person :o)
[01:26] <Tm_T> mhb: oh, I was just thinking out loud
[01:26] <Tm_T> I was about to start hunting the issue, if it is reported, if not, check what exactly is causing it,then report ;)
[01:27] <Tm_T> happy meal
[01:27] <mhb> Tm_T: cool
[01:27] <Tm_T> hmm, no pun intended
[01:27] <Jucato> McDonald's Happy Meal? :)
[01:27] <Tm_T> bah, still no kde devel cloak
[01:28] <Jucato> now you made me crave for a nice, juicy, cholesterol-loaded burger...
[01:28] <Jucato> Tm_T: how come?
[01:28] <Jucato> you haven't applied yet?
[01:28] <Tm_T> I have
[01:29] <Tm_T> bah, I think njaard just hates me
[01:29] <Jucato> you think? :D
[01:29] <Tm_T> maybe I have mocked him too much =)
[01:29] <mhb> Tm_T: serves you right for thinking out loud :o)
[01:29] <jjesse> nixternal: finally in o'hare airport
[01:29] <Jucato> or maybe you have thought out loud too much
[01:29] <Tm_T> that too =)
[01:29] <Tm_T> WHEEEE =)
[01:30] <Tm_T> that said, more coffee ->
[01:37] <Tm_T> ah right, I remember this one
[01:37] <Tm_T> *** glibc detected *** kate: free(): invalid pointer: 0xbfdd9ab0 ***
[01:37] <jjesse> Tm_T: theres no such thing as too much coffee
[01:39] <Tm_T> jjesse: there is, trust me
[01:39] <jjesse> so there is no such thing :)
[01:40] <Tm_T> there is, trust me
[01:40] <Tm_T> but too much sleep? that's harder to achieve
[01:40] <jjesse> i get a headache if i sleep too long, does that count as too much sleep
[01:41] <Tm_T> no, that's just headache
[01:41] <Tm_T> I get backpains from over 6 hour sleeps
[01:42] <Tm_T> btw those headaches prolly comes from your neck, rotate your head and sleep more ;-P
[01:42] <jjesse> grin i'll try that next time
[01:43] <Tm_T> almost like this crashing is sort of libc issue
[01:43] <Tm_T> ok, time to crash kontact too
[02:03] <Tm_T> and failure
[02:03] <Nightrose> hi
[02:04] <Nightrose> Riddell: so I did not package stuff before so I would need a mentor
[02:05] <Nightrose> and somesting small to start with ;-)
[02:05] <Nightrose> -s
[02:05] <apachelogger> omg
[02:05] <apachelogger> welcome Nightrose :)
[02:05] <Nightrose> ;-) hey
[02:06] <Jucato> what's a "todo"? ;)
[02:06] <Nightrose> ah don do that - I know your list....
[02:06] <Nightrose> ;-)
[02:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that's the alpha folder :P
[02:06] <mhb> I see a list of choirs coming up for Jucato
[02:06] <apachelogger> todo is filled with crap I'm not interessted
[02:07] <apachelogger> in
[02:07] <Jucato> mhb: heh :)
[02:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: all the good software is already in alpha here ;-)
[02:08] <Riddell> Nightrose: the main task we need done now is merging package with newer debian versions
[02:09] <Riddell> Nightrose: I'd recommend picking a KDE package from http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html and trying to merge it
[02:09] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Merging has a merging howto
[02:09] <apachelogger> mh, good idea that is
[02:09] <Nightrose> ok I'll have a look at that as soon as possible
[02:10] <sebas> apachelogger: Do you have a rokymotion mailinglist?
[02:10] <Riddell> Nightrose: try kftpgrabber perhaps
[02:10] <Nightrose> sebas: we do
[02:10] <sebas> Nightrose: What's the address?
[02:10] <Nightrose> sebas: one moment - looking for it
[02:11] <sebas> Nightrose: Thanks
[02:11] <Nightrose> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok-promo
[02:12] <sebas> Merci
[02:12] <Nightrose> Riddell: I'll get back to you when I read everything thats necessary
[02:13] <Riddell> Nightrose: let me know if you have any questions
[02:13] <Nightrose> will do thx
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hi all!
[02:48] <mhb> hi Hobbsee
[02:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:55] <mhb> Tonio_ !!
[02:55] <Tonio_> re
[02:55] <Tonio_> mhb: how are you ? :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> yay, Tonio_!
[02:56] <Tonio_> yop Hobbsee ;)
[02:56] <mhb> Tonio_: great, because I'm finally beginning to understand the konsole kPart magic :o)
[02:56] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping ?
[02:56] <mhb> Tonio_: has RadiantFire tried to join the team?
[02:56] <mhb> Tonio_: kdesudo one
[02:56] <Tonio_> mhb: yep, what will e do ?
[02:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[02:56] <_StefanS_> wassup
[02:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just wanted to know if you have a planning for the fade effect and kdesudo ?
[02:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: like a timeframe+
[02:57] <_StefanS_> ?
[02:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if yes I'll wait, if no, I'll release a tarball on kde-apps
[02:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[02:57] <Tonio_> mhb: RadiantFire is interested in working on the code too ?
[02:58] <mhb> Tonio_: yes
[02:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just release the tarball, I have had a sick child for a few days, so it has been hard to get anything done on the side
[02:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will make it though (soon i promise)
[02:58] <Tonio_> mhb: great, does he have ideas on things to do ?
[02:58] <mhb> Tonio_: the thing is, some people would like to see only one KDE app for admin granting
[02:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no pb :) just wanted to be sure I wouldn't have to re-release another tarball in 2 days ;)
[02:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: take your time, our target is gutsy now...
[02:59] <Tonio_> mhb: true
[02:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, true.
[02:59] <Tonio_> mhb: but in my opinion, different framework mean different apps.....
[02:59] <mhb> Tonio_: so he and me would like to try to achieve that, separate the kdesudo and kdesu into a backend and a frontend
[02:59] <mhb> Tonio_: two backends/one frontend
[03:00] <Tonio_> mhb: very hard to do..... have you check kdesu structure ?
[03:00] <Tonio_> mhb: it is a nightmare
[03:00] <Tonio_> using kdesu_stub, kdesud etc....
[03:00] <mhb> Tonio_: I haven't, but RadiantFire might have
[03:00] <Tonio_> this is the problem :)
[03:00] <mhb> Tonio_: yes, I don't say it's an easy job
[03:01] <Tonio_> mhb: at the moment, as we have to divert kdesu to kdesudo, it would be nice to clone the maximum number of options kdesu has
[03:01] <mhb> we want to start with having a single UI class for both of them, that's simple
[03:01] <Tonio_> I mean command line options
[03:01] <mhb> yeah
[03:01] <Tonio_> btw that would help for the backend/frontend thing
[03:01] <mhb> Tonio_: I think it would be cool to have him on the team
[03:01] <mhb> Tonio_: he can help with that, I'm certain
[03:01] <Tonio_> mhb: I approved him
[03:01] <mhb> thanks
[03:02] <Tonio_> I'm just doubting of the feasability of this
[03:02] <Tonio_> kdesu is a nightmare
[03:02] <Tonio_> if you plan to do that, it would be more interesting to rewrite kdesu for kde4, compatible with sudo :)
[03:02] <_StefanS_> ^ sounds a like a good path
[03:03] <_StefanS_> +1 for kde4+kdesu with sudo support
[03:03] <_StefanS_> :D
[03:03] <Tonio_> but of course the backend/frontend idea is good
[03:03] <mhb> yeah, that might be the best approach
[03:03] <Tonio_> just that it would be easier to make a kdesudo compatible with su than a kdesu compatible with sudo :)
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> I think that sounds good too... kdesu has always annoyed me
[03:04] <Tonio_> mhb: if the plan is to have kdesudo also compatible with su, I of course approve that
[03:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how many options are we talking about in the kdesu that needs to be supported?
[03:04] <Tonio_> just get afayc of the kdesu code, bad for your health
[03:04] <mhb> Tonio_: hehe :o)
[03:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: man kdesu
[03:04] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not that much in fact
[03:05] <Nightrose> ;-) nice picture in the mail sebas
[03:05] <Tonio_> mhb: btw, jdesu is just perfect for su
[03:05] <Tonio_> mhb: that's why it doesn't sound a big issue for me to have 2 apps
[03:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thats not much I think, AFAIR most of that is coming from kpassworddialog class anyways
[03:05] <Tonio_> mhb: but of course, if you consider the long term approach
[03:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[03:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I planned to work on that toonight, adding more options
[03:06] <mhb> Tonio_: yes, in the long term it would be great to have one app on KDE SVN
[03:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: lets do that together then
[03:06] <mhb> -i is mine :o)
[03:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: my kid is pretty well now and shouldn't cause too much noisy tonight
[03:06] <Tonio_> mhb: the long term is to replace kdesu, or patch kde to set the wanted backend
[03:06] <Tonio_> mhb: the problem is that kdesu is hardcoded everywqhere in kde code
[03:07] <Tonio_> mhb: that's why I think the first thing to do is reproduce all the command line options in fact.....
[03:07] <sebas> Nightrose: :>
[03:07] <Tonio_> then separate to frontend + backend
[03:07] <Tonio_> mhb: agree on the idea ?
[03:07] <mhb> yes
[03:09] <Lure_> apachelogger: I have seen you khalki packages on revu - do you plan to upload libkhalki too?
[03:09] <apachelogger> Lure_: it's alrady uploaded I think
[03:09] <apachelogger> just waiting for it to get in the repos
[03:09] <Lure_> apachelogger: on revu?
[03:09] <apachelogger> well, and ubuntu
[03:10] <Lure_> I have only seen khalkicards/applet
[03:10] <apachelogger> aaaaa
[03:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I just look at that fade, it seems like you and mhb will take the command line (?)
[03:10] <apachelogger> omg
[03:10] <apachelogger> might it be a typo
[03:10] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[03:10] <apachelogger> the name just sux
[03:10] <apachelogger> and the unreachablility of revu sux even more
[03:11] <Lure_> apachelogger: yep, it seems revu is down for maintenance
[03:11] <apachelogger> just like LP is
[03:11] <Hobbsee> it's probably sitting in new
[03:11] <apachelogger> seems to always happen when I want to work :P
[03:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[03:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the command line options is one of the only thing I think I can do myself :)
[03:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I won't take the only thing away from you :D
[03:16] <Tonio_> lol
[03:17] <mhb> _StefanS_: ^^
[03:17] <Hobbsee> mmm...bling...
[03:19] <_StefanS_> :)
[03:21] <Hobbsee> mmm....shiny....
[03:21] <Hobbsee> must...have...shiny....
[03:21] <ShinyMonster> must...have...shiny....
[03:28] <Jucato> yay shiny!!!
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hiya n8k99
[04:10] <n8k99> hey Hobbsee
[04:10] <Hobbsee> why scared?
[04:10] <n8k99> all this shinying going on in here
[04:11] <n8k99> \^o^?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:14] <n8k99> are the kde4 packages in the repos- and can i switch one of my machines over to using it by apt-get?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> you probably could, but i'd wait for the first beta, as apparently they dont work too well
[04:16] <n8k99> hmm.. ok
[04:24] <Riddell> kwwii: about?  don't suppose you remember where you put that akademy logo alteration you made?
[04:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: mm, best not to kick people without giving them a chance
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: he's been warned before, i'm quite sure.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> adn it's in !guidelines and such, which is a standard #ubuntu, etc, factoid
[04:25] <kwwii> Riddell: sure, let me send it to you
[04:27] <kwwii> Riddell: http://sinecera.de/akademy_long_g.svg
[04:27] <Riddell> thanks kwwii
[04:41] <Lure_> Riddell: can we get this in for Tribe1: http://packages.ryanak.ca/pool/ryan-gutsy/kmilo/kdeutils_3.5.7-1ubuntu2.debdiff
[04:42] <Lure_> Riddell: and kwwii can then work on some cutomization for next Tribe: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287
[04:43] <Lure_> Riddell: I am running this now for a week without any problems
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Lure_: main's not frozen yet, iirc?
[04:43] <Lure_> Hobbsee: sure, use you superpowers
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Lure_: wrong target, though
[04:43] <Riddell> actually I did upload that, but it was for feisty so it got rejected, re-uploading
[04:44] <Lure_> Hobbsee: you should know that better now (I do not need to know that) ;-)
[04:44] <Lure_> Hobbsee: but I think freeze is tommorow
[04:44] <Hobbsee> define tommorrow.
[04:44] <Lure_> Riddell: thanks
[04:44] <Lure_> Hobbsee: 00:00 UTC?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> ofwhat date?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> 9+ hours away, possibly
[04:44] <Lure_> 00:00 UTC Tuesday
[04:52] <kwwii> Lure: is that already in k-d-s ?
[04:52] <Lure> kwwii: not yet, but default is already better than old kmilo
[04:53] <Lure> kwwii: but it can be controled trough k-d-s (rc file)
[04:53] <kwwii> someone should put that in and then I can theme it ;-)
[05:07] <seele> Riddell: ping
[05:08] <Lure> kwwii: Riddell just did so it should be in Tribe1
[05:24] <Riddell> seele: hi
[05:25] <kwwii> Lure: great, I'll look into it later
[05:50] <siretart> Tonio_: Riddell: how angry would users get if xine would drop the arts output plugin?
[05:50] <siretart> read: no arts support at all
[05:50] <apachelogger> siretart: they wouldn't notice
[05:50] <siretart> really?
[05:50] <nixternal> some would
[05:51] <apachelogger> or if they would, they probably would love it
[05:51] <nixternal> haha
[05:51] <Riddell> siretart: not sure, some people use it when they have sound cards that can only play from one source at a time
[05:51] <siretart> I don't use kde, I just now that arts is this kde soundserver thingy
[05:51] <siretart> s/now/know/
[05:51] <siretart> Riddell: don't we use dmix for that?
[05:51] <nixternal> ahh, in phonon
[05:51] <apachelogger> mhhhh
[05:51] <apachelogger> phonon == pure love
[05:51] <nixternal> yes it does
[05:52] <seele> Riddell: the kopete question, is this for determining the default?
[05:52] <Riddell> siretart: I wouldn't object if it was easier to drop it, but why is that the case?
[05:52] <nixternal> man, everything I have read and seen == pure love, except for KHelpCenter...but we are working on that :)
[05:52] <Riddell> seele: konversation.  yes, konversation upstream uses tabs at bottom, kubuntu uses list view at side
[05:53] <siretart> Riddell: see debian bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354437
[05:53] <ubotu> Debian bug 354437 in xine-ui "Crash with "can't create mcop directory"" [Grave,Open]
[05:53] <siretart> Riddell: upstream is going to drop it for xine 1.2, and we're currently discussing dropping it from the debian package
[05:54] <apachelo1ger> konvi is suffering a lot here :(
[05:55] <Riddell> siretart: can't the user just uninstall the xine arts plugin?
[05:56] <siretart> Riddell: now he can, since I seperated it to 'libxine1-kde'
[05:56] <siretart> before, you couldn't
[05:56] <Riddell> oh, I was confusing it with libarts1-xine
[05:57] <Riddell> which is the other way around
[05:57] <Riddell> wow, multimedia on linux can get quite crazy
[05:57] <Riddell> I wonder what happens if you feed xine into arts and arts into xine
[05:57] <Riddell> so aye, I don't mind it being dropped
[05:57] <nixternal> lol
[05:58] <nixternal> ask crimsun he knows all of the sounds stuff
[05:58] <nixternal> ;)
[06:32] <mhb> hmm, is there a search engine indexing KDE3's API?
[06:32] <mhb> for some reason, google doesn't produce very useful results
[06:33] <mhb> usually dead links only - for me, that is
[06:33] <Riddell> the API stuff has moved around recently
[06:33] <apachelogger> mhb: http://api.kde.org/
[06:33] <apachelogger> ..and got search feature
[06:33] <mhb> apachelogger: oh yes
[06:34] <mhb> apachelogger: thanks
[06:35] <apachelogger> yw
[06:35] <Hobbsee> do we have any specific kde packages which need upgrading?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> or easy bug fixes?
[06:36] <apachelogger> just throwing packages up to revu is far too slow for me :D
[06:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: you do need to poke people to review stuff on revu
[06:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you going to merge filelight and filelight-i18n?
[06:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: though where? or who?
[06:36] <apachelogger> first I'd need filelight 1.0 to be in debian, don't I?
[06:36] <Riddell> any kde type in ubuntu-dev
[06:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, we don't depend on debian
[06:37] <apachelogger> so, how to do what with filelight?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: here or #ubuntu-motu
[06:39] <Hobbsee> that works
[06:39] <apachelogger> anyway, that's not sorta issue.... though filelight not being 1.0 is!
[06:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: move all the po files into the main .orig, package, revu
[06:42] <apachelogger> ah merging the two package :D
[07:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5370
[07:19] <apachelogger> Lure: khalkhi - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5308
[07:20] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: isnt that stalled?
[07:21] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[07:37] <Riddell> "DEFT (acronym of "Digital Evidence & Forensic Toolkit) is a customized distribution of the Kubuntu live Linux CD."  cool
[07:37] <Riddell> http://www.stevelab.net/deft/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=26
[07:43] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: that compiles fine.  it still deviates from debian unnecessarily by converting to cdbs.  I'm happy to upload it so long as you send changes back to the debian developer
[07:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: tried to contact him :|
[07:50] <apachelogger> no response
[07:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: P??r Andersson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:51] <apachelogger><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:51] <apachelogger> oi
[07:51] <Riddell> oh, he's not debian
[07:51] <apachelogger> just noticed :D
[07:52] <apachelogger> ok, gotta mail him
[07:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: ask him if he's happy just ceding it to the debian-qt-kde team in debian, if you want to maintain it there
[07:54] <Riddell> anyway, I'll upload this now
[07:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: ping, you havn't uploaded k-d-s
[07:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: is there any reason why filelight package should have a debian/menu file?
[07:57] <Riddell> everything /should/ have a debian/menu file
[07:58] <Riddell> generally I don't bother since any sane desktop should use XDG now
[08:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: so better leave it? ... if yes - do I have to carry the postinst postrm with it to update menu database?
[08:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: I didn't think debian menu needed postinst/rm
[08:17] <apachelogger> ok, because they are missing debhelper stuff and I'm not motivated to add it ^^
[08:36] <paran> Riddell: thats is me. I never claimed to be debian :)
[08:37] <Riddell> paran: no, my mistake, not sure why I thought you were
[08:38] <Riddell> well it's not an insult :)
[08:38] <paran> hehe
[08:40] <paran> I only care about the package as I use filelight a lot. nice having 1.0 uploaded now
[08:42] <apokryphos> yeah, filelight's great
[08:43] <paran> only annoying thing about it is that it doesn't handle sparse files
[08:54] <giangy> [ 1626.768000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[08:54] <giangy> [ 1626.768000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[08:54] <giangy> [ 1626.768000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[08:54] <giangy> [ 1626.768000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[08:54] <giangy> [ 1627.152000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[08:54] <giangy> [ 1627.156000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[08:54] <giangy> uhm..
[09:16] <Riddell> nixternal: licence won't pass http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5357
[09:16] <Riddell> but as least it clears up why it's not in debian, which I've been wondering for ages
[09:16] <nixternal> ahh, remove that Riddell...we are going to seperate libmonkey from that package
[09:17] <Riddell> nixternal: doesn't that defeat the whole point of the package?
[09:17] <nixternal> well, the package is actually a library and binary
[09:18] <nixternal> we need to pull the library and seperate it into multivers, and then the k3b plugin can go into universe
[09:18] <nixternal> so I have been told
[09:18] <Riddell> right, but k3b still can't link to the library
[09:21] <nixternal> why can't k3b link to it?
[09:21] <nixternal> the license says any GPL software can use it
[09:21] <nixternal> or is the linking the bad part?
[09:22] <DaSkreech> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6820 2007-03-07 21:42 /usr/bin/free
[09:22] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, it says GPL can use it, but GPL doesn't allow GPLed software to use it
[09:23] <Riddell> linking is the bad part, that's what makes it a derived work
[09:23] <nixternal> ahhh
[09:23] <ScottK> nixternal: Dad says, "You can go to the party and drink with your friends as long as Mom is OK with it."  Mom, of course, is not OK with it.
[09:24] <nixternal> so toss it out then, and tell Sebastian he needs to fix that :)
[09:24] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[09:24] <DaSkreech> I can't run apps :(
[09:24] <nixternal> ScottK: you just had me thinking of freakin' merges with that statement :) MoM and DaD :)
[09:24] <ScottK> Heh
[09:36] <DaSkreech> Why would I not be able to run programs?
[09:36] <DaSkreech> they segfault or tell me cannot execute binary file
[09:48] <apachelogger> someone wanna revu kopte-otr plugin? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5298
[09:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: try manchicken__ ?
[09:54] <apachelogger> really, we should get a mailing list or something, I have no idea who's motu and who's not :S
[09:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: well there is a mailing list, the trouble is that everyone assumes someone else will do it
[09:54] <apachelogger> oh ^^
[09:55] <Riddell> so you need to poke people explicitly usually
[09:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5377 has the wrong version number, ubuntu1 is already uploaded
[09:55] <apachelogger> --- but remember to move changelog item for post* to new entry
[09:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: shall I reupload right now?
[09:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: sure
[09:56] <apachelogger> k :)
[10:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5379
[10:05] <apachelogger> btw, does kopete-otr depend on kopete for you?
[10:05] <Riddell> yes
[10:06] <apachelogger> ok
[10:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's not in the depends for the package.
[10:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: ${shlibs:Depends} detects a depend
[10:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: or do you mean at compile time?
[10:08] <ScottK> No, I meant run time.  Hmm.  I didn't think it would pick something like that up.  I guess I need to go study that one more.
[10:08] <Riddell> Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.7-1), kopete (>= 4:3.5.7-1)
[10:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I also wondered, but as long as it works ^_^
[10:11] <Riddell> ScottK: it's because kopete itself uses a library
[10:11] <Riddell> root@lichts:/root/kopete-otr# ldd /usr/lib/kde3/kopete_otr.so libkopete.so.1 => /usr/lib/libkopete.so.1 (0x00002ac24470f000)
[10:11] <Riddell> and /usr/lib/libkopete.so.1 is part of kopete's package, so shlibs will pick up that dependency
[10:12] <ScottK> Interesting.
[10:17] <DaSkreech> hi ubotu
[10:18] <Arby> is it known that kde system settings app is broken in gutsy?
[10:18] <manchicken__> What does that plugin do?
[10:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: I don't know enough yet to feel comfortable advocating this package.
[10:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: khalkhi uploaded, I presume it's ok to upload it even though it hasn't passed NEW yet
[10:19] <Riddell> Arby: I've heard complaints
[10:20] <Arby> Riddell: yes, kmenu > system settings == crash
[10:20] <apachelogger> manchicken__: Off-The-Record encryption
[10:20] <Riddell> Arby: how's kcontrol?
[10:20] <Arby> not sure, haven't tried
[10:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks, btw, is there a way I can track the upload status of packages?
[10:21] <Arby> I'm used to the gui for those things, can I just run kcontrol in commandline
[10:21] <Arby> sorry, naive question I know
[10:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: only keep watching https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/khalkhi and gutsy-changes
[10:21] <apachelogger> k, thank you
[10:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue to see NEW queue
[10:22] <Arby> ok kcontrol launches but has very limited options
[10:22] <Riddell> Arby: so it's probably a problem with XDG menu foo
[10:23] <Riddell> ScottK: if you're in a revu mood, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5313 needs looked at
[10:23] <Arby> have I got a cat in hells chance of debugging that?
[10:23] <Arby> and where would I start?
[10:23] <DaSkreech> ha ha John Mcain is thinking of having Ballmer on his tech cabinet if he gets elected
[10:24] <Arby> message in konsole reads 'Warning No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found Default to Settings/'
[10:25] <apachelogger> omg
[10:25] <apachelogger> now that memload can't be normal
[10:26] <manchicken> Has anybody seen imbrandon lately?
[10:28] <DaSkreech> I have
[10:28] <ScottK> I love downloading from REVU.  It reminds me of the good old days on dial-up.
[10:28] <Arby> Riddell: what do I need to do to get enough info for a useful bug report?
[10:28] <Arby> system settings gives a traceback but most of the debugging symbols are missing.
[10:28] <Riddell> Arby: find a fix :)
[10:29] <mhb> ScottK: how I hate those good old days
[10:29] <Arby> might be tricky since I don't even understand what's broken :)
[10:31] <Arby> hmm, maybe I'll go and poke something I might understand :)
[10:33] <Riddell> Arby: kcontrol just has networking and periferals folders?
[10:34] <Arby> Riddell: yes
[10:35] <Arby> Riddell: most of the stuff that should be in system settings seems to be in kmenu>lost + found
[10:37] <ScottK> mhb: </sarcasm>
[10:37] <DaSkreech> hg
[10:38] <apachelogger> *report to upstream*
[10:39] <DaSkreech> nixternal: have a feisty machine?
[10:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Reviewed.
[10:43] <Riddell> thanks
[10:43] <ScottK> No problem.  That one actually had problems I knew enough about to comment sensibly on...
[10:51] <Riddell> Arby: I take it the kmenu is otherwise normal?
[10:52] <Arby> Riddell: yes fine
[10:52] <Riddell> all a bit strange
[10:52] <Arby> indeed
[10:53] <Arby> I've just installed a load of updates, let me reboot and see what happens.
[10:56] <Arby> Riddell: what package would I need to ge the relevant debugging symbols?
[11:33] <nixternal> DaSkreech: I have a feisty machine, what's up?
[11:33] <nixternal> I use Feisty for my some-what stable box :)
[11:34] <DaSkreech> can you give me the md5sum for gwenview?
[11:53] <nixternal> sure
[11:53] <crimsun> from the repo?
[11:53] <crimsun> that info is available via `apt-cache show gwenview|grep ^MD5`
[11:53] <nixternal> MD5sum: 541bf7df4c03123eb08105c25a0f548c
[11:53] <DaSkreech> I think mu /usr/bin folder is corrupt
[11:53] <Arby> Riddell: turns out the system settings problem has been reported, bug 114286
[11:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114286 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings crash in Gutsy Gibbon" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/114286
[11:53] <Arby> added a comment fwiw.
[11:53] <xRaich[o] 2x>  can somebody tell me where i can get the german localisation files for kdevelop?
[11:53] <DaSkreech> s/j k3b
[11:53] <marseillai> to build pykde package what should i use in debian/rules for cdbs packages?
[11:58] <Lure> Arby: can confirm bug (I thought it was just my system at first)
[11:58] <Lure> Riddell: this bug should be milestoned to tribe-1
[11:59] <Arby> Lure: thanks, nice to know it's not just me
[12:02] <marseillai> Lure: does this sort of error remind you a classic error : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24134/ ??
[12:04] <Lure> marseillai: never saw something like this - this looks like .orig.tar.gz is uncompressed again as part of build?!
[12:04] <Lure> marseillai: is there such rule in debian/rules?
[12:04] <marseillai> yes
[12:04] <marseillai> Lure: my debian rules only contain : debhelper and kde rules
[12:04] <Lure> marseillai: and french does not help me ;-)
[12:05] <marseillai> yes Lure i can understand this
[12:05] <marseillai> in fact i don't know how to set my console in english
[12:05] <Lure> marseillai: you can du "LANG=C <command>" to get english
[12:06] <marseillai> oh
[12:06] <marseillai> magic
[12:08] <marseillai> Lure:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24138/
[12:08] <marseillai> you have an idea ?
[12:09] <marseillai> and if i remove this dir
[12:10] <Lure> marseillai: check for this tmp-nest file - possible that you have run it before as root
[12:10] <marseillai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24140/
[12:11] <Lure> marseillai: you may try in -motu - I really do not have any good idea
[12:11] <marseillai> oki
[12:11] <marseillai> thanks
[12:11] <Lure> and also have to go to bed now (have early meeting tommorow)
[12:11] <Lure> night all
[12:11] <marseillai> i've not have man lucks in motu
[12:11] <marseillai> so i'll try tomorrow
[12:11] <marseillai> this evening is too late
[12:12] <Arby> is anyone else finding OpenOffice very unstable in gutsy?
[12:13] <Riddell> we don't care about openoffice, canonical will be hiring someone to do that soon :)
[12:13] <Arby> oh that's good, because it's utterly screwed right now.
[12:13] <Arby> :)
[12:14] <Arby> is it worth filing a bug then?
[12:14] <Riddell> sure
[12:15] <Arby> Riddell: if writer and calc crash with the same errors, do I file one bug or two?
[12:15] <Riddell> one
[12:15] <Riddell> and it's the same source package anyway
[12:16] <Arby> OK thanks, lots of stuff about glib and gdk whatever they are
[12:17] <Riddell> gnome stuff
[12:17] <Arby> well it's b0rked :)