[00:00] <jrgifford> paultag: when you're around you have a PM.
[00:02] <Unit193> jrgifford: FSF seems crazy most of the time anyway (RE: Blogpost)
[00:02] <Unit193> Maybe I should have tried a greeting first though
[00:02] <jrgifford> Unit193: Oh yeah, you got that right. ;)
[00:03] <jrgifford> (sorry, that comment out of the blue made me stop and think for a second. ;))
[00:03] <Unit193> I really see how it would. But man alive do they seem a bit.... Off the wall to speak nicely
[00:04] <jrgifford> Agreed.
[00:04] <Unit193> I wasn't fully sure how you might react since you're on their ML, but I figured with your comment it would be fine
[00:05] <jrgifford> I joined their mailing back in '08.
[00:05] <jrgifford> For about 30 minutes, I was this huge "GO FSF! GNU ALL DA WAY DUDE" fanatic.
[00:08] <Unit193> vrms (source: vrms): virtual Richard M. Stallman. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.15  (natty), package size 12 kB, installed size 100 kB
[00:08] <Unit193> http://paste.ubuntu.com/692649
[00:08] <jrgifford> ......
[00:09] <jrgifford> brb - switching computers.
[00:10] <Unit193> Welcome back. Yeah, thought that program was crazy, but I really like uptimed :D
[00:10] <jrgifford> hehe.
[03:33] <Unit193> Welcome back!
[03:36] <BiosElement> Howdy
[05:11] <Derath-Srvr> zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[05:11] <Unit193> Hey, what's going on?
[05:12] <Derath-Srvr> Not much... at work and alone lol
[05:13] <Unit193> Wow... Doesn't sound fun (partly because of time) What are you babysitting?
[05:13] <Derath-Srvr> lol a crapload of servers... and doing some software upgrades, but this is my normal shift for the time being ;)
[05:14] <Unit193> Oh. I could like the time of night, just the no people to make fun of might be a tad hard (really so if they turned off the lights)
[05:15] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[05:15] <Derath-Srvr> Pretty much sums it up...
[05:15] <Derath-Srvr> but it does make it easier to get stuff done as well
[05:16] <Unit193> Until some creeper from IRC talks to you :P
[05:16] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[05:16] <Derath-Srvr> Something like that
[05:18] <Derath-Srvr> sigh, also feel bad for ditching everyone at OLF... I REALLY wasn't feeling good at the afterparty
[05:18] <BiosElement> Heh
[05:18] <BiosElement> I didn't even go to OLF. >.>
[05:18] <BiosElement> Was after a 70 hour week of work, Islept the entire day
[05:18] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[05:18] <Unit193> I was out of state
[05:19] <Derath-Srvr> Was wondering where you were at Bios...
[05:19] <Derath-Srvr> I did finally get to meet Canth though
[05:19] <BiosElement> I 'really' wanted to go, but ugh, I was dying heh
[05:20] <BiosElement> Reminds me, anyone have any thoughts on this? Getting a new video card, mostly just for minecraft. >.> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102941
[05:21] <Unit193> I also really wanted to go as it would have been first OLF
[05:21] <Derath-Srvr> Will have to look at the vid card later Bios... working on a client's Live environment atm
[05:22] <BiosElement> Heh that's fine Derath-Srvr
[05:23] <Derath-Srvr> btw, two things... 1: I HATE Win's UAC! and 2: I got to preview Win8... OMG!
[05:25] <BiosElement> Reminds me, if anyone is looking for a sysadmin job, I know of a couple and we're pretty desperate. >.>
[05:27] <Derath-Srvr> lol Almost the same (just not desperate lol)
[05:27] <Derath-Srvr> We have a good number of openings...
[05:27] <BiosElement> 3 admin + 1k servers = fun tech support
[05:28] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[05:28] <BiosElement> Ironically we're still known for our awesome support. >.>
[05:32] <Derath-Srvr> We're getting there... hard to maintain all the installs/upgrades that Sales is giving us...
[05:32] <Derath-Srvr> And then to maintain current customer base
[05:32] <BiosElement> Heh, we're about at critical when it comes to sales vs support
[05:33] <Derath-Srvr> btw... Win8 is going to look like that new Win Mobile phone platform...
[05:33] <BiosElement> lolololol
[05:33] <BiosElement> Microsoft thinks the're Android apparently
[05:33] <Derath-Srvr> tradition desktop won't be used much... at least that's how it appears on the recent dev version...
[05:33] <BiosElement> KDE4 anyone? >.>
[05:34] <Derath-Srvr> Gearing up for tablet/slate type systems... screw the desktop/laptop users... you're supposed to be on a touchscreen now
[05:35] <BiosElement> Heh, Windows Vista round 2
[05:35] <BiosElement> Silly me thinking they'd learned their lesson
[05:36]  * Derath-Srvr shrugs
[05:36] <Derath-Srvr> They did improve the TaskManager... lol more useful info on each tab...
[05:36] <Derath-Srvr> no need to go to other tabs to see the overall performance when looking at Tasks
[05:37] <Derath-Srvr> And no need to hit another button/check box and admin annoyance to see all processes
[05:39] <BiosElement> Hmmm
[05:39] <Derath-Srvr> But the main UI is the same as that new phone OS they are pushing... to me, it look like an ADD's worst nightmare for not getting ANYTHING done because of all the movement/updates/etc...
[05:39] <BiosElement> Handy Hint
[05:39] <BiosElement> Don't rant at the person helping you and expect to get a refund
[05:39] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[05:40] <Derath-Srvr> Yep... I've been on the CS side of that... that's why I never act out against the CS reps I deal with
[05:40] <BiosElement> Oh, and don't rant about no support when you change the passwords to lock us out.
[05:40] <BiosElement> Do that and you'll be lucky to be able to login once we fix it. >.>
[05:42] <BiosElement> And he's using a dev build of bukkit....
[05:42] <BiosElement> As in, incomplete.  If you break it, we're not refunding you. >.>
[05:47] <Derath-Srvr> There is one thing about this shift I am excited for... I can finally play DDO on the weekend again... 6+ hours a night that I can DDO without too much worry...
[05:47] <Derath-Srvr> Better than only a chance of ~2 hours a weekend total
[05:48] <BiosElement> Ahaha Yayy
[05:48] <Derath-Srvr> brb, need a snack...
[05:50] <Derath-Srvr> back
[05:56] <Cheri703> I seem to get a lot of people whose hard drives are failing...
[05:57]  * Cheri703 is getting fairly decent at ddrescue :/
[05:57] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[05:58] <Cheri703> once I start having a bit of extra money, I might just stock up on a few to have on hand...
[06:08] <Derath-Srvr> Not a bad idea...
[17:22] <twotwozombie> hi, i am new :)
[17:22] <twotwozombie> ack
[17:22] <twotwozombie> wrong room lol
[18:27] <thafreak> So it would seem that now I need to become a joomla dev...awesome
[18:27] <paultag> thafreak: :)
[18:27] <thafreak> sarcasm doesn't come across correctly in irc...
[18:27] <paultag> Nope.
[20:46]  * jrgifford waves
[20:46] <jrgifford> Hello. whats up in ohio?
[20:51] <Unit193> Ceiling
[20:51] <jrgifford> heh heh. Very funny.
[20:51]  * Unit193 Smart Aleck
[20:54] <Unit193> Anywho, going to Transformers 3 tonight. How about there?
[20:55] <jrgifford> Let me know if it's good. I've got a boy scout meeting. should be fun, we're planning the next campout.
[21:19] <thafreak> paultag: what was the deal on the job i saw on linked in for a boston linux admin? you get a chance to follow up on it?


[07:08] <Inspire> Add #Ageek to your autojoin, its for NZ geeky people, chur lets build an empire and cool cpus together.
[20:04] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:07] <olly> morning


[00:59] <Runemoro> hi, how do I get the kde 4.1 theme on kde 4.10 or more?
[00:59] <Runemoro> the look changed in 4.2
[01:32] <delilah> kubuntu 12.04 amd proprietary graphics, i finally did it, i checked the box for opengl in qt graphics settings. how do i edit back to raster from shell?
[02:07] <vitimiti> bye
[02:37] <valorie> !drivers | delilah
[02:38] <valorie> sheesh, ubottu isn't helpful today
[02:38] <valorie> !raster
[02:38] <valorie> !amd
[02:38] <valorie> sorry
[02:39] <valorie> batting .000 today
[03:19] <c2tarun> I tried to install network-manager-gnome, that installed gnome's network manager. I put that in startup but now I am getting two network managers, is there any way to stop KDE's network manager from starting up. I checked in autostart, its not there
[03:21] <valorie> c2tarun: maybe search for network-manager in muon or apt-cache search and see what's installed?
[03:21] <valorie> perhaps uninstall the KDE network manager
[03:21] <valorie> i know that when I had some trouble and was using wicd, I had to uninstall the other
[03:22] <c2tarun> valorie: running apt-get remove network-manager is also removing gnome's network manager
[03:23] <valorie> right
[03:23] <valorie> so you want to see all of what's installed
[03:23] <c2tarun> I wan't to use only gnome's network manager,
[03:23] <valorie> understood
[03:24] <valorie> so you may have to search for and uninstall the other one
[03:24] <c2tarun> one quick question: the NM icon I am seeing in tray is it just icon or it means KDE's NM?
[03:24] <valorie> that I don't know
[03:24] <valorie> mine only shows if there is a problem
[03:27] <c2tarun> I think removing plasma-widget-networkmanagement did the job, let me reboot and try BRB
[03:28] <valorie> that's probably it indeed
[03:40] <c2tarun> valorie: nope not worked, removing plasma-widget-networkmanagement, kind of screwed everything, no LAN no wi-fi :P I installed network-manager from deb in /var/cache/apt/archives and then LAN worked, then back to plasma-widget**thingy
[03:40] <valorie> :(
[03:41] <valorie> !wifi
[03:41] <valorie> might help?
[03:42] <valorie> !network
[03:49] <c2tarun> this page helped me :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD  I combined steps to remove KDE network manager for WICD and how to revert to GNome's network manager ;)
[03:49] <c2tarun> valorie: ^^
[03:51] <valorie> cool
[03:51] <valorie> nice to see you again, c2
[03:51] <valorie> oops, c2tarun
[03:52] <c2tarun> :)
[05:10] <BigWig_> plasma desktop keeps on crashing. I don't what I'm doing to cause it, can someone help me solve this. It's really irritating :(
[05:38] <beyondcr> Hello, Is there anyone here that has a strong knowlage of apache2?
[05:40] <valorie> beyondcr: there is an #apache2 channel
[05:41] <valorie> BigWig_: the #plasma channel might be more help
[05:41] <valorie> although it's Saturday night/Sunday morning for most of the developers on freenode
[05:41] <beyondcr> thanks valorie
[05:49] <c2tarun> is there any way of mapping Super key with K-Menu?
[08:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:28] <alsitnetpc> hallo here......
[10:29] <alsitnetpc> conneted here...
[10:29] <alsitnetpc> goodbye...
[14:29] <pixeltoo> hello
[14:29] <smartboyhw> hello pixeltoo
[14:29] <pixeltoo> hello smartboyhw
[14:30] <pixeltoo> how to keep connected more than 30 seconds my smartphone to kubuntu ?
[14:31] <pixeltoo> this is a Samsung galaxy S3 Android.
[14:31] <smartboyhw> pixeltoo, hmm what connection method?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Bluetooth?
[14:32] <pixeltoo> smartboyhw:  USB
[14:32] <smartboyhw> pixeltoo, hmm
[14:36] <invariant> pixeltoo, get a different phone.
[14:36] <smartboyhw> invariant, that's not the best suggestion...
[14:36]  * smartboyhw really doesn't know the answer for this one though, he doesn't use S III
[14:36] <invariant> pixeltoo, ask Samsung for support then.
[14:37] <invariant> They created the device.
[14:37] <invariant> Or don't try to do things people don't want.
[14:37] <invariant> If you want to tinker with technology, get a phone with Linux on it.
[14:37] <invariant> Android is a consumer product.
[14:38] <pixeltoo> invariant: I want to pass an Android certification to get a job not to be a Saint :)
[14:38] <invariant> You can get certified for Android now?
[14:38] <invariant> What is the world coming to?
[14:45] <pixeltoo> I found this http://gunavara.blogspot.fr/2012/11/samsung-galaxy-s3-vs-ubuntu-1204.html
[14:46]  * pixeltoo will reboot
[14:46] <pixeltoo> bye !
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[16:24] <RamchandraApte> how would one make all typing have automatic word completion?
[16:25] <RamchandraApte> [basically you press tab and the word automatically completes anywhere]
[16:30] <BluesKaj> RamchandraApte, try word complketion in the package manager  , there's a few choices
[17:10] <DarthFrog> One of my favourite utilities is filelight.  It's a visual file manager, displaying files/directories as concentric pie rings, making it easy to see where disk space is being consumed.  Does anyone use one that they think is better?
[17:20] <OerHeks> DarthFrog, nice one, filelight < http://picpaste.com/filelight-7kq82Srp.png
[17:22] <DarthFrog> :-)
[17:23]  * OerHeks is going to watch Touch-Of-Frost
[17:24] <DarthFrog> David Frost?
[18:57] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...is there a way to connect to a wireless router using wps?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> wpa perhaps , m_tadeu ?
[19:06] <m_tadeu> BluesKaj: wps - wifi protected setup
[19:06] <BluesKaj> another short form I'm not familiar with
[19:31] <OpenSorce> Kubuntu live USB is asking for a password. whoami at terminal says the account name is kubuntu anyone know what the password would be?
[19:33] <OpenSorce> Sorry, KDM is asking for the password
[19:33] <away> try a blank password?
[19:55] <Quest>  i have an external usb HD which is called bootable. and shows x86 mbr but when i installed ubuntu on it. its giving grub error prompt . any ideas?
[19:56] <bazhang> !crosspost | Quest
[20:05] <Quest>  i see a grub rescue >
[20:05] <bazhang> Quest, please stop crossposting
[20:12] <sezer> test
[20:15] <sezer> hallo
[20:21] <mkquist_> hello
[20:23] <lordievader> Good evening.
[20:57] <rottingdead> Hello guys/gals, I'm having issues with Kubuntu Live Disc, I think it's possibly my system here, but not sure, on a relatives, it works fine, but on mine is freezes up..
[20:57] <finedeltempo> analisi
[20:58] <OpenSorce> away, of course I tried a blank password, I wouldn't be here is it was something simple. I tried sudo passwd kubuntu too which fails. I'm sort of shocked that THIS is what kubuntu puts out there for brand new users to try...
[20:58] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: As for the issue I'm having, sound familiar does it?
[20:59] <OpenSorce> rottingdead, can you give some info about your system?
[21:00] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: Hmm, well, right now I'm in my Gentoo, but some stuff is failing to compile, due to bugged E-Builds, and been trying to get PlayOnLinux, what my system displays probably won't help you here, I can't even log into KDE to show ya, =/.
[21:01] <OpenSorce> No no that's fine, what type machine, processor, amount of memory?
[21:01] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: It loads up, but when I click KMenu, all it does is lag or freeze..
[21:02] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: 8 GiB RAM, Intel Dual Core CPU E5400 @ 2.70 Ghz, nVidia GeForce GTS 450 GDDR5 1 Gigabyte Video Card, 1 TB Hard DRive.
[21:03] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: Both DVD Version, and USB HDD do the same thing, sometimes they don't boot up at all..
[21:03] <OpenSorce> rottingdead,  Excellent, thanks... now my first suspect is the video card. Sometime X will try to force one driver when it needs another...
[21:04] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: =/..  Erm, I hope this video card isn't the culprit.
[21:04] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: Ran my Gentoo Live Disc, and ran the memtest86 App, all 8 GiB RAM is okay.
[21:04] <OpenSorce> rottingdead, not the card itself... the driver that X is trying to load... we need to look at logs for that really
[21:05] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: Eeeeeeeeak, and because of my problem, I can't show, =(.
[21:05] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: I try to Ctrl + Alt + F1 to get to TTY, and right as I do that, it freezes up.
[21:05] <OpenSorce> rottingdead, now... I want you to try a bit of research first... search the internet  for "Kubuntu freeze  nVidia GeForce GTS 450"
[21:06] <OpenSorce> rottingdead, chances are you are not the first victim... see what you can find
[21:08] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: I did find something, "Nouveau" could be the issue..
[21:08] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: I'm pretty sure it's what ALL Live Discs use on nvidia Cars.
[21:08] <rottingdead> cards*
[21:09] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: I can't even get Kubuntu to run long enough, heh..  KMenu doesn't load so I can't disable Desktop Effects.
[21:11] <OpenSorce> Do any of you actual Kubuntu USERS care to chime in on rottingdead's issue?
[21:13] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: It does appear to be a Nouveau issue, I've found several pages on Google about it.
[21:13] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: Now, The installer itself, without clicking "Try Kubuntu" works fine, but after restarting, it'll freeze up, and I'm not sure what the nVidia Drivers package is in Kubuntu.
[21:13] <OpenSorce> rottingdead, looks like it's you... me and 266 idlers... let me dig around a sec and see what I can come up with
[21:14] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: I'm pretty sure, judging from these results, it's Nouveau causing the problem.
[21:14] <OerHeks> !nomodeset | rottingdead
[21:15] <OpenSorce> Oh look, we got someone's attention
[21:15] <rottingdead> ubottu: OerHeks Thanks, I probaby add that to the Boot Options when I first load the Disc.
[21:16] <OpenSorce> OerHeks, I don't suppose ubottu has anything in that little black bag for my issue?
[21:16] <OerHeks> oke, see that url, do it again tru grub2, and try installing prop drivers
[21:17] <rottingdead> Heheh, sorry, I forgotten how easy Kubuntu Developers make things, I'm used to Command Line.
[21:17] <OpenSorce> Kubuntu live USB KDM is asking for a password. whoami at terminal says the account name is kubuntu anyone know what the password would be?
[21:17] <rottingdead> Anyway, I'll try this !nomodeset and see if this helps, =).
[21:17] <OpenSorce> rottingdead, good luck!
[21:17] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: Password is auto-generated by the way.
[21:18] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: See if you can access a TTY, and run sudo passwd
[21:18] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: Ctrl + Alt + F1 for instance.
[21:18] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: You shouldn't have to input a password on a Live Disc..
[21:18] <OpenSorce> rottingdead, yes... but an option to "Try Kubuntu" without auto-logging a user in? Why would this exist? I did that, throws an error
[21:19] <OerHeks> OpenSorce, password would be blank, just hit enter?
[21:19] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: Good question, I don't know, heh.
[21:20] <rottingdead> OpenSorce: Anyway, I'll boot up Kubuntu, set that !nomodeset, if it works, I'll be a little while before I get back into irssi..
[21:20] <OpenSorce> OerHeks, you would think so... oh wait... when I do that it looks like KDM just resets itself... okay different issue. My fault for multi-tasking too much :-P
[21:20] <rottingdead> Brb shortly.
[21:24] <OpenSorce> And of course killing kdm gives me a blank screen
[21:24] <rottingdead> Thank you, thank you, thank you! =).
[21:24] <rottingdead> It's NOW working.
[21:24] <rottingdead> !nomodeset solved the problem.
[21:25] <OpenSorce> rottingdead, kewl, glad to hear it :-)
[21:25] <rottingdead> Oops, lmfao, didn't mean to trigger that.
[21:26] <rottingdead> ubottu: !kernel
[21:27] <rottingdead> Anybody still out there?
[21:28] <Whiskey`Wonka> anyone know why apt-get says there are upgradable packages but muon does not?
[21:28] <rottingdead> !kernel version
[21:28] <finedeltempo> analisi
[21:30] <dmatt> Whiskey`Wonka: run "sudo apt-get update" in konsole and maybe one of them will change its opinion :)
[21:30] <dmatt> otherwise report bug
[21:31] <OerHeks> nice, rottingdead
[21:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> wouldnt a apt-get update be the same as a muon check for updates ?
[21:32] <OerHeks> do not use apt-get and muon together, close terminal first before running muon
[21:32] <OerHeks> there is only one instance allowed to use the repo's
[21:32] <rottingdead> OerHeks: Thanks again for your response, =).
[21:33] <rottingdead> OerHeks: It's been a while since I've used Kubuntu, I've forgotten how easy Kubuntu Developers made this OS, heheh.
[21:33] <rottingdead> OerHeks: I'm a Gentoo person, but because of a few issues, I'm swapping back, and with Gentoo, it's ALL MANUAL labor, heh.
[21:33] <Whiskey`Wonka> OerHeks: right they can not be active at the same time, i know that
[21:33] <dmatt> Whiskey`Wonka: it is using the same process, but results go to different application
[21:35] <dmatt> Whiskey`Wonka: have you tried it? what is the result?
[21:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> yes i did it, it sucked down the repos and exited cleanly
[21:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> no idea what happened cause it has not installed anything
[21:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> it showed this  * Documentation:  https://help.ubuntu.com/ 76 packages can be updated. 47 updates are security updates.
[21:38] <Whiskey`Wonka> after installing java
[21:38] <Whiskey`Wonka> but now it doesnt
[21:38] <dmatt> Whiskey`Wonka: now run muo0n update manager
[21:38] <dmatt> it is not installing, command only refreshes info from repository
[21:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> I did, it shows nothing when do filter upgradable
[21:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> filter status upgradable
[21:40] <dmatt> Whiskey`Wonka: press check for updates button
[21:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> did
[21:41] <dmatt> btw, Muon and Muon update manager are two separate application
[21:41] <Whiskey`Wonka> yes i know
[21:41] <Whiskey`Wonka> both agree
[21:42] <dmatt> no updates?
[21:42] <Whiskey`Wonka> "software uptodate -- changed one second ago"
[21:42] <Whiskey`Wonka> er checked
[21:42] <Whiskey`Wonka> arg, now i gotta go to work
[21:43] <Whiskey`Wonka> something isnt quite right, no idea what
[21:44] <dmatt> Whiskey`Wonka: on possibility is that apt-get somhow uses different setting/repos than muon
[21:45] <dmatt> did you install ppa, set to keep certain versions of packages or any other advanced package manipulation?
[21:46] <dmatt> or maybe there is bug in new muon...
[21:47] <dmatt> Whiskey`Wonka: just upgrade through apt-get and see if there is something unusual


[04:33] <LLStarks> hi sarvatt, do you have any recs to make synpatics edgers usable again. a lot of patches got dropped and sensitivity is through the roof.
[19:02]  * Duke` just upgraded to 11.10
[19:03]  * Duke` will downgrade to 11.04 very soon :x


[02:06] <RAOF> Ooooh.   IA32 win.
[06:58] <RAOF> Ish.
[11:29] <tjaalton> RAOF: hey, when do we start breaking natty again by uploading 1.10 final & the rebuilds?
[11:38] <RAOF> tjaalton: Tomorrow, I think.
[11:38] <tjaalton> RAOF: alright
[11:39] <RAOF> Although if you wanted to do it while I sleep that would also be ok :).
[11:39] <RAOF> Coordinating with bryceh, of course.
[11:40] <tjaalton> ok, either is fine
[11:42]  * RAOF goes to sleep
[14:11] <ara> hello bryceh
[16:50] <cnd> tjaalton, got a moment to help me out with another upload?
[16:50] <cnd> or bryce?
[16:59] <tjaalton> cnd: yep
[16:59] <cnd> tjaalton, so the package is a new package
[16:59] <cnd> it's got an FFe
[16:59] <cnd> and it's only for universe
[17:00] <cnd> I'm an ubuntu dev, and you're an ubuntu dev, so I was wondering if we needed to go through revu?
[17:00] <cnd> the two of us satisfy the 2 ubuntu dev sponsorship rule
[17:00] <tjaalton> heh
[17:00] <cnd> and the wiki page says motus can upload directly
[17:00] <tjaalton> well, let me review it anyway :)
[17:01] <cnd> ok
[17:01] <cnd> tjaalton, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/733266
[17:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 733266 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] empcommand (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[17:01] <cnd> tjaalton, there's 6 more games just like these
[17:02] <cnd> but they haven't received FFe approval yet
[17:02] <cnd> that's why I want to skip revu if possible
[17:02] <cnd> less paperwork
[17:02] <cnd> but don't feel you need to review them all
[17:03] <cnd> I've also mentored Oxullo, so the packaging is up to my standards :)
[17:03] <tjaalton> debian/copyright is probably the most important thing to get right before an upload, after it builds of course
[17:03] <cnd> I've been reviewing his work as we go
[17:03] <cnd> yeah, they're in dep5 format and should be correct
[17:04] <tjaalton> the source package has .pc directory in it, should be removed on clean :)
[17:04] <tjaalton> i guess
[17:04] <cnd> tjaalton, I assume it was created with bzr bd -S
[17:05] <cnd> but I'll see what's up with it
[17:05] <tjaalton> that's alright
[17:07] <cnd> hmm, not sure how he got a .pc in there
[17:07] <cnd> I'll have to ask him what he did
[17:07] <tjaalton> looks fine otherwise, and that doesn't make the package useless, so I'll upload it
[17:07] <tjaalton> that=.pc
[17:08] <cnd> tjaalton, are you sure that's not because you ran dpkg-source -x?
[17:08] <cnd> cause there's no .pc in the debian.tar.gzr
[17:08] <cnd> nor in the orig.tar.gz
[17:08] <tjaalton> ah, maybe it's the new source format that does it, on extract
[17:11] <cnd> tjaalton, it's interesting that it does that, even where there are no patches
[17:11] <tjaalton> right
[17:11] <cnd> tjaalton, thanks for the upload :
[17:11] <cnd> :)
[17:12] <tjaalton> np, had to take a break from playing rb: beatles anyway :)
[17:13] <cnd> heh
[17:46] <Sarvatt> usr/lib/nvidia-current
[17:46] <Sarvatt> usr/lib/nvidia-current/libGL.so.1
[17:46] <Sarvatt> usr/lib/nvidia-current/libnvidia-glcore.so.270.30
[17:46] <Sarvatt> usr/lib/nvidia-current/tls
[17:46] <Sarvatt> usr/lib/nvidia-current/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.270.30
[17:46] <Sarvatt> seriously? libGL in my initrd?
[17:47] <Sarvatt> thanks cairo-gl
[17:49] <brobostigon> good afternoon everyone,
[17:50] <brobostigon> where is the right place for me to ask about trying wayland on natty?
[17:52] <brobostigon> an if already existing DE's, like gnome-shell will work with it,or not.please.
[20:04] <jcastro> jibel_: ok so I've posted on nvidia's linux forums, phoronix just ran it, just waiting on OMG. That outta be enough I hope. :)
[20:05] <jcristau> tjaalton: i think with 3.0 (quilt), dpkg-source creates .pc on unpack
[20:27] <tjaalton> jcristau: yeah, and on repack it's dropped
[20:30] <lesshaste> hi
[20:30] <lesshaste> I get this weird font/screen corruption using the radeon driver.. has anyone else seen anything like it? http://img857.imageshack.us/f/screenshot1p.png/
[20:32] <lesshaste> oh and I get [263922.948625] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -12!
[20:32] <lesshaste> I just saw that
[20:32] <lesshaste> lots of them
[20:32] <brobostigon> would it be possible to do multi-monitor, with two graphics cards, of totally different kinds and makes?
[20:34] <bryceh> brobostigon, no
[20:34] <bryceh> brobostigon, used to be you could do that with Xinerama but not anymore (for now)
[20:35] <bryceh> brobostigon, you can do it with two NVIDIA cards both running -nvidia
[20:35] <bryceh> there are some other misc. oddball combos of cards/drivers that would work, but in general with open source drivers and common kinds of cards, no upstream doesn't support that
[20:36] <brobostigon> bryceh: sosame driver? whether intel,nvidia or ati?
[20:36] <bryceh> brobostigon, no only -nvidia
[20:37] <bryceh> possibly -fglrx/-fglrx, I haven't tested that
[20:37] <bryceh> but definitely not intel or ati
[20:37] <bryceh> and mixing drivers is almost guaranteed to fail
[20:37] <brobostigon> bryceh: ah, i see, ihtink i understand.
[20:40] <brobostigon> bryceh: thankyou,
[20:40] <bryceh> brobostigon, your welcome
[20:41] <lesshaste> anyone know if there is an ubuntu bug report for this?
[20:42] <brobostigon> bryceh: that means,my plan and idea,might work
[20:42] <bryceh> lesshaste, for what?
[20:42] <lesshaste> I get this weird font/screen corruption using the radeon driver.. has anyone else seen anything like it? http://img857.imageshack.us/f/screenshot1p.png/
[20:43] <lesshaste> oh and I get [263922.948625] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -12!
[20:43] <bryceh> lesshaste, is that natty?
[20:43] <lesshaste> bryceh: lucid
[20:43] <bryceh> oh no idea then
[20:43] <lesshaste> bryceh: it's a regression I think
[20:43] <lesshaste> it used not to do this
[20:43] <lesshaste> the computer is not new
[20:44] <bryceh> we've not done any X changes to lucid in a long time afaik
[20:44] <bryceh> lesshaste, did your kernel get updated maybe?
[20:44] <bryceh> could be a drm bug
[20:44] <lesshaste> bryceh: right but the radeon driver is broken relative to older ubuntu distros
[20:44] <lesshaste> bryceh: ah yes
[20:44] <lesshaste> bryceh: it did
[20:44] <lesshaste> a few times actually for lucid
[20:45] <bryceh> sure, yeah radeon frequently has graphics mess ups like this, I could identify the driver just looking at the screenshot ;-)
[20:45] <lesshaste> what's my best plan?
[20:45] <bryceh> hmm
[20:45] <lesshaste> they want me to upgrade the kernel at #radeon
[20:45] <bryceh> sure
[20:46] <bryceh> yeah, if it were me I'd be looking at changing kernel versions too
[20:46] <bryceh> if you do think it's a regression though, I'd go backwards
[20:46] <bryceh> look for an earlier version where you *can't* reproduce it
[20:47] <bryceh> lesshaste, also there is a lucid backport of the maverick kernel.  That could be worth a test too
[20:47] <lesshaste> oh yes
[20:47] <lesshaste> that sounds perfect
[20:47] <bryceh> another idea is I'd fiddle with switching on or off KMS
[20:48] <bryceh> I think we shipped -ati with kms on by default in lucid, so boot kernel with radeon.modeset=0 or something like that
[20:48] <bryceh> or if I'm wrong, then radeon.modeset=1 ;-)
[20:49] <bryceh> fwiw, #radeon is probably not going to be of much help for lucid bugs; http://askubuntu.com would be a better support channel
[20:49] <lesshaste> oh.. they have gone all modern! :)
[20:49] <lesshaste> thanks I didn't know about that
[20:53] <bryceh> lesshaste, your welcome, good luck
[20:53] <lesshaste> I think I need it :)
[20:53] <lesshaste> installing backports and proposed everything...
[20:54] <bryceh> lesshaste, fwiw, -ati on maverick was pretty stable; on natty it's stable but I see a few graphics bugs here and there
[20:54] <lesshaste> it was ok on jaunty too :)
[20:54] <lesshaste> something just went wrong
[20:54] <lesshaste> hardy was great ! :)
[20:55] <bryceh> yeah that was pre-KMS
[21:00] <lesshaste> hi again bryceh :)
[21:00] <lesshaste> still totally screwed up
[21:00] <lesshaste> 2.6.32-30-generic #59-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 1 21:30:21 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:01] <lesshaste> [  220.961057] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -12!
[21:01] <lesshaste> appears repeatedly in dmesg
[21:01] <lesshaste> Build Date: 08 March 2011  08:22:50AM
[21:01] <lesshaste> xorg-server 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7.6 (For technical support please see http://www.ubuntu.com/support)
[21:12] <sandraw> hi i need some help with this: http://pastebin.com/k9davXre
[21:15] <sandraw> im having problems building tslib on natty
[21:32] <sandraw> it is linked to this bug: Launchpad bug 714353 in xf86-input-tslib (Ubuntu) "Does not support Input ABI 12: FTBFS against Xserver 1.10" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714353
[21:32] <ubot4`> sandraw: Bug 714353 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/714353 is private
[21:32] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 714353 in xf86-input-tslib (Ubuntu) "Does not support Input ABI 12: FTBFS against Xserver 1.10 (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [High,Confirmed]
[23:01] <lesshaste> how do I use xorg-edges to update the kernel?


[05:35] <toe_> does ubuntu studio have driver support for firewire cards
[09:35] <Studio9> hello
[09:36] <Studio9> i've got a problem on ubuntu studio : I'm on 10.04, don't have the networmanager applet
[09:36] <Studio9> i don't have the logitech too
[09:37] <Studio9> can someone help me please?
[09:44] <astraljava> Studio9: And judging from the mentioning of NetworkManager applet, you have trouble getting connected, is that right? What's the logitech reference good for?
[09:50] <Studio9> yes
[09:50] <Studio9> it dos'nt appearst at start
[09:51] <Studio9> but i have the notifications
[09:54] <astraljava> Studio9: Did you install Ubuntu Studio from the DVD, or Ubuntu vanilla and packages on top? NetworkManager doesn't come by default in the former, so you have to install it separately.
[09:55] <Studio9> how must i do?
[09:55] <Studio9> i'm sorry i don't have a real good english
[10:03] <Studio9> network manager is installed
[10:03] <Studio9> network-manager-gnome
[10:04] <Studio9> i don't have any notifications...
[10:06] <astraljava> Studio9: So is it that the applet isn't loaded? Open up a terminal, and type `nm-applet &', without the backticks and quotation marks, of course. :)
[10:14] <astraljava> Studio9: You can check System | Preferences | Startup Applications, and see if there's an entry for Network Manager. If not, you can create it, with name "Network Manager", command "nm-applet --sm-disable", and whatever comment you would like.
[10:15] <astraljava> Studio9: Then just hit save, and make sure the box on the left of the newly created entry is ticked.
[10:17] <Studio9> when i tap nm-applet in the terminal nothing appears
[10:18] <Studio9> i restart
[10:18] <Studio9> thanks
[16:33] <fallenstar> help?
[16:37] <fallenstar> I've just installed 10.10 64bit on a dell inspiron 1525, and i have no internet wired or otherwise. argh!
[16:39] <fallenstar> please?
[17:49] <pvullo> ifconfig
[17:49] <pvullo> oups too late
[20:39] <FloridaGuy> whats the best graphics package for landscape design?
[20:40] <holstein> hey FloridaGuy
[20:40] <holstein> what exactly are you looking for?
[20:40] <FloridaGuy> hello holstein
[20:41] <FloridaGuy> something i can design fountains and small waterfalls for yards with
[20:42] <holstein> how about something in the browser?
[20:42] <holstein> like http://www.bhg.com/gardening/design/nature-lovers/welcome-to-plan-a-garden/
[20:43] <holstein> we have blender
[20:43] <holstein> but i think thats overkill
[20:43] <holstein> and the GIMP might be over kill as well
[20:44] <holstein> maybe something simple like http://www.gnu.org/software/gpaint/ ??
[20:49] <FloridaGuy> ill check all them out
[20:50] <holstein> FloridaGuy: are you coming from windows?
[20:50] <FloridaGuy> but by overkill what you mean...to hevey
[20:50] <FloridaGuy> no
[20:50] <holstein> AH
[20:50] <holstein> cool
[20:50] <holstein> i was going to suggest WINE
[20:51] <holstein> FloridaGuy: yeah, more that you need i suspect
[20:51] <holstein> http://www.linuxinet.com/free-linux-software/sweet-home-3d-1-7-interior-design-all-platforms.html
[20:52] <holstein> ^^ wonder if that is still active
[20:52] <holstein> and has extenal landscaping capabilities
[20:52] <holstein> external*
[20:52] <holstein> FloridaGuy: that woud be a good question for some mailing lists maybe
[20:52] <FloridaGuy> this is going to do anywhere from $200 to $1000 jobs
[20:53] <holstein> its never really come up in here before
[20:53] <holstein> FloridaGuy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=441380
[20:54] <holstein> ^^ that looks like the same suggestion i had though
[20:54] <holstein> the GIMP
[21:00] <FloridaGuy> holstein, thanks vary much ill gives these a try
[21:00] <holstein> good luck :)


[09:22] <ara> mvo, hi!
[09:34] <mvo> hey ara
[09:37] <ara> hey mvo, I want to create a simple guide on how to report bugs on upgrade issues for the Upgrade Jam during the UGJ
[09:37] <ara> mvo, what package you prefer bugs filed against?
[09:37] <ara> update-manager and then reroot from there?
[09:37] <mvo> ara: ideally against the package that is causing the problem, second best is update-manager with all logs
[09:38] <ara> and, /dist-upgrade files are enough? or somehting else¿ç
[09:40] <mvo> in 99% of the cases they are enough
[09:40] <mvo> the remaining 1% are hard to diangose
[09:41] <mvo> and of course it does not help for issues like "my sound is no longer working" or "my screensize is no longer ideal"
[09:41] <mvo> well, for some of them, but not all, sometimes its just regressions
[09:41] <mvo> in the kernel or X
[09:49] <ara> OK, I will send you the link when done, so you can review it :-)
[09:49] <ara> thanks a lot!
[14:28] <charlie-tca> Last alternate image for lucid Ubuntu and Xubuntu dated 2010-02-05, last server image dated 2010-02-04
[14:32] <charlie-tca> CD1 missing some packages needed by debootstrap
[14:32] <charlie-tca> make: *** [/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/xubuntu/daily/tmp/lucid-amd64/packages-stamp] Error 1
[14:32] <charlie-tca> ERROR WHILE BUILDING OFFICIAL IMAGES !!
[14:34] <persia> charlie-tca: Are you able to run debootstrap on that architecture locally?  I've been running it very frequently lately with some success.
[14:34] <charlie-tca> Don't know how?
[14:34] <charlie-tca> What I see is the images are missing from the daily build.
[14:37] <persia> Well, the quick'n'dirty way is to create some directory, and run debootstrap on that directory (man debootstrap for details), chroot into that directory, and apt-get install ^ubuntu-server or ^xubuntu-desktop.
[14:39] <charlie-tca> And that will create today's image?
[14:39] <persia> If you use pbuilder or schroot there are helper tools that let you avoid some of the arguments.  In that case it's something like `mk-sbuild-lv vg00 lucid; schroot -c lucid; apt-get install ...` or `pbuilder-dist lucid create; sudo pbuilder-dist lucid login; apt-get install ...`
[14:40] <persia> It creates a current chroot and installs the current stuff.  It doesn't precisely match the work being done to create images, but if there is a problem with packages that is still present, you'll see it, and can likely track it down more easily (having local access to the apt-cache with the issue, etc.)
[14:40] <charlie-tca> The problem though is that the images which could be tested are not present on the server.
[14:47] <davmor2> morning fader_ charlie-tca cr3
[14:47] <persia> Well, that's the observed issue :)  There is probably some deeper issue that causes that, and so on :)
[14:47] <charlie-tca> morning
[14:48]  * fader_ waves.
[14:48] <charlie-tca> persia: I am not a developer or programmer. I just try to test the images each day and notify devel's/file bug reports as needed.
[14:50] <persia> Fair enough :)
[14:51] <persia> I tend to use chroots extensively for testing, but then again, the sort of testing I do isn't the same as the image testing.
[14:56] <charlie-tca> davmor2: alternate images are missing again
[14:57] <davmor2> slangasek: ^
[14:57]  * charlie-tca could have told him directly. Will try to remember that.
[14:59] <davmor2> charlie-tca: slangasek is pretty much the man for release stuff so when things go bump check the daily reports then head for him :)
[15:00] <charlie-tca> I can do that. Thanks. daily report wasn't very much, missing some packages needed by debootstrap
[19:02] <slangasek> charlie-tca, davmor2: build failure seems to have been fixed in the archive now; respinning
[19:03] <slangasek> (I guess the new binary packages from krb5 had the wrong priority set in debian/control, which we inherited)
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[20:28] <nagappan> at VMware, we are trying with Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 2, hardware info is same as the one available here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/435570
[20:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 435570 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (Ubuntu) "xorg hangs during karmic install due to issue supporting dual head (affects: 2)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:29] <nagappan> when I press enter on typing any command in terminal (gnome-terminal / xterm) or Synaptic or Firefox, it just hangs the system
[20:29] <nagappan> have installed nvidia-current
[20:30] <nagappan> the work around is to use vesa instead of nvidia in xorg.conf
[20:30] <nagappan> any suggestion ? is there a bug already on this ?
[20:30] <nagappan> default ping cr3 :D
[20:32] <cr3> nagappan: so if you type the "date" command and press the Enter key, the system just hangs?
[20:32] <nagappan> cr3, even for ls and press enter :(
[20:33] <cr3> nagappan: can you try Alt-F2, enter "date" in the input field, check the box to perform command in terminal, then what happens?
[20:33] <nagappan> cr3, no a11y enabled
[20:33] <nagappan> cr3, sure, will try now and update you shortly
[20:33] <cr3> nagappan: out of curiosity, which VMware product?
[20:34] <nagappan> cr3, I'm trying on host machine not on Workstation / Player
[20:34] <nagappan> cr3, this is DELL hardware same as the one in above bug
[20:36] <cr3> nagappan: upgrade or fresh install?
[20:50] <nagappan> cr3, fresh install of alpha 2
[20:50] <nagappan> cr3, running with ALT + F2 and gedit it works fine
[20:51] <nagappan> cr3, but inside gedit, if I press enter, it just hangs
[20:51] <cr3> nagappan: nice!
[20:51] <nagappan> cr3, after alpha 2 installation, just did synaptic update
[20:56] <nagappan> cr3, on another setup with same hardware kind, we have installed NVidia driver from NVidia website instead of installing through synaptic, this works fine, unless we do anything with sudo
[20:57] <nagappan> cr3, with we type sudo and press enter or launch synaptic, the system will reboot !
[20:59] <cr3> nagappan: I just had a look at the above bug report and the progress you've done with alberto looks great, he will know better than me
[21:00] <nagappan> cr3, shall I ping him on #ubuntu-xorg or some other channel name ?
[21:00] <cr3> nagappan: he's in italy and he has acknowledged your bug report, I think it's safe to assume he's working on the bug. pinging him further will just distract him from doing so
[21:02] <nagappan> cr3, my xchat just got hanged on Ubuntu 9.10 :(
[21:02] <nagappan> cr3, when I tried pulling the channel list !
[21:02] <nagappan> this was my last message
[21:02] <nagappan> nagappan> cr3, shall I ping him on #ubuntu-xorg or some other channel name ?
[21:02] <cr3> nagappan: he's in italy and he has acknowledged your bug report, I think it's safe to assume he's working on the bug. pinging him further will just distract him from doing so
[21:05] <nagappan> cr3, nope that bug is diff
[21:05] <nagappan> cr3, that's on 9.10
[21:06] <nagappan> cr3, the new one, pressing enter key on 10.04 just hangs the system
[21:06] <nagappan> cr3, and on another system using sudo reboots the system
[21:06] <nagappan> cr3, both are 64-bit system with Ubuntu alpha 2
[21:07] <cr3> nagappan: you should probably report a bug with similar information requested by alberto in that bug, but on 10.04 of course. then, perhaps you could ping him with a bug number tomorrow morning
[21:07] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[21:08] <cr3> nagappan: that's always preferable than just explaining over and over again on irc :)
[21:08] <cr3> in the end, you save typing and waiting
[21:08] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[21:08] <nagappan> cr3, :D
[21:09] <cr3> nagappan: by the way, in case you might be tempted to subscribe him, it might be preferable to ping him first instead of volunteering him on his behalf :)
[21:11] <nagappan> cr3, sure, will do that :) thanks
[21:24] <nagappan> cr3, thanks :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/519505
[21:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519505 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (Ubuntu) "Pressing Enter or using sudo command with NVidia driver hangs / reboots the system (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]


[15:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hirsute Hippo now open for development.
[17:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> !info calibre focal
 yikes 4.12 -> 5.0 is a huge jump there
[18:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> @teward001 I agree, but I feel as though we need to be less paranoid about breakage. This is why we test things.
 Eickmeyer: Agreed, but lets start by testing hirsuite first ;)
 then Groovy, before we futz with the LTS ;)
[18:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> @teward001 Naturally, that's the SRU process.