[00:06] <imi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snap/+bug/2025401
[00:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2025401 in snap (Ubuntu) "/user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-3.scope is not a snap cgroup" [Undecided, New]
[00:07] <syphyr> ive seen that bug reported before
[00:08] <sarnold> imi: can you throw some journalctl output up there?
[00:09] <imi> sarnold: I can, suggest me a command please
[00:09] <syphyr> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/not-a-snap-cgroup-error/30776
[00:09] <sarnold> imi: journalctl -e > /tmp/journal   -- then read through the file and make sure you're fine with what's in it before uploading
[00:11] <sarnold> heh :( no real advice there :(
[00:26] <imi> ok I need to go sleeping
[00:26] <imi> thanks for the support
[00:26] <imi> I hope it gets resolved soon
[00:27] <heitai> hello
[00:28] <imi> bye
[00:28] <heitai> https://github.com/Heitai-C11/Minix-C11_2.0/wiki <-- it's possible to adapt a minix kernel 2.0 on 3-Clauses BSD licence on ubuntu with GPL-3 ?
[00:29] <heitai> peraps with an xeon processor or an arm64 like beagle board
[00:32] <heitai> any else i try ubuntu one and the script is blocked https://ubuntu.com/security/certifications/docs/usg/cis/compliance
[00:32] <heitai> lv2
[00:38] <heitai> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wYkKPSRCKm/
[00:41] <sarnold> heitai: CIS compliance stuff is niche; you might need to use the commercial support offerings to get help with it. I doubt you'll find many folks here who have experience with it.
[00:43] <heitai> ok where i could i ask ?
[00:46] <sarnold> heitai: I think the 'support portal' button on https://ubuntu.com/pro/dashboard
[00:53] <heitai> thank sarnold
[00:53] <sarnold> good luck heitai :)
[00:53] <heitai> :-D
[00:55] <heitai> sarnold, who check the kernel issu ? ubuntu one on free community ?
[00:56] <sarnold> heitai: heh, the minix kernel is something you'll have to organize yourself ;) I doubt anybody else has tried that before
[01:27] <jean-loups> witch best smartphone for Ubuntu Touch ?
[01:27] <Toadisattva> I thought ubuntu touch died before it was even born?
[01:30] <Toadisattva> well I'll be it looks they didn't discontinue dev on it
[01:31] <jean-loups> why ?
[01:32] <jean-loups> i will try to debug, beta-tester
[01:34] <jean-loups> i try to bone to eat
[01:34] <jean-loups> i try to find a bone to eat
[01:34] <jean-loups> for do a portfolio
[01:38] <r2aguiar> hello
[01:47] <toddc> jean-loups: Touch moved from canonical to community and is still being worked on https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/  look at devices some work better than others depending on what features you want
[01:51] <jean-loups> https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/suzu
[01:51] <jean-loups> thank
[01:54] <jean-loups> it's the right phone ? --> https://www.sfr.fr/sony-xperia10iv-noir-128go
[01:56] <oerheks> You are viewing data for an obsolete Ubuntu Touch release that is kept for historical reasons
[01:57] <oerheks> !touch
[02:04] <jean-loups> ok thank ubottu
[02:04] <jean-loups> https://github.com/jean-loups/Minix-C11_2.0/blob/main/LICENSE <-- it´s rigth ?
[02:04] <jean-loups> no problem with low
[02:04] <jean-loups> ??
[02:05] <oerheks> low? no.. law? probably not.
[02:07] <jean-loups> yes sorry
[02:07] <jean-loups> i have the right to change an 3-Clause to GPL-3 ?
[02:10] <oerheks> i think not, but check this with the legal guys
[02:13] <jean-loups> Les paquets suivants ont été conservés :
[02:13] <jean-loups>   libmm-glib0 modemmanager ubuntu-drivers-common
[02:13] <jean-loups> 0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 3 non mis à jour.
[02:13] <jean-loups> oerheks, ??
[02:13] <jean-loups> need recode the most of the kernel
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> !phasedupdates | jean-loups
[02:15] <lotuspsychje> jean-loups: maybe share a !paste of what apt shows you, so the volunteers can help you better
[02:16] <jean-loups> ok
[02:16] <oerheks> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/man8/mkfs.minix.8.html
[02:17] <oerheks> oops
[02:18] <jean-loups> no problem oerheks
[02:18] <jean-loups> i supose use zfs
[02:19] <jean-loups> i have a lot of flyer in my home
[02:19] <jean-loups> fuck
[02:19] <jean-loups> thunder
[02:19] <Eickmeyer> Keep it family friendly please.
[02:20] <jean-loups> sorry
[02:20] <jean-loups> my english is poor
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> we also have a french ubuntu channel jean-loups
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> !fr
[02:21] <jean-loups> flyer flyer kill when thunder
[02:21] <jean-loups> ubottu, no i work my english as the same
[02:22] <jean-loups> and in france all people sleeping
[02:22] <Eickmeyer> Also stay on-topic, please.
[02:24] <jean-loups> where we name Ubuntu with Minix kernel ?
[02:25] <Eickmeyer> Doesn't exist.
[02:25] <jean-loups> i will code
[02:26] <Eickmeyer> It will be unsupported here, so have fun.
[02:26] <jean-loups> if i find an assembler dev for this part
[02:26] <Eickmeyer> !ot | jean-loups
[02:26] <jean-loups> for create an channel
[02:28] <jean-loups> ok i join
[02:28] <jean-loups> but need name this Ubuntu
[02:28] <jean-loups> no bug, with LTS... best as Debian
[02:29] <jean-loups> but no LTE-4G pci-e card work
[02:29] <jean-loups> need use my iPhone in wifi
[02:29] <Eickmeyer> It wouldn't be allowed as an official flavor because, as far as I know, Ubuntu flavors *must* use the Linux kernel, but the official process of becoming a flavor is outlined here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[02:30] <Eickmeyer> However, you need to stop with offtopic monologuing and ask only actual support questions in here.
[02:57] <sivabalansm> hello
[03:11] <ripa> Hi, need help enabling guest account
[03:11] <ripa> cat /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/50-ubuntu.conf
[03:11] <ripa> [Seat:*]
[03:11] <ripa> user-session=ubuntu
[03:11] <ripa> allow-guest=true
[03:11] <ripa> but cannot see the guest Login anywhere
[03:11] <ripa> neither on the Login screen
[03:11] <ripa> or the top-right menu
[03:12] <ripa> Ubuntu 20.04
[03:13] <Unit193> Can you run `lightdm --show-config` real quick?
[03:14] <ripa> command not found
[03:14] <ripa> Command 'lightdm' not found, but can be installed with:
[03:15] <Unit193> Ah, you're using GDM then?
[03:15] <ripa> yes GDM
[03:15] <Unit193> So, /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/50-ubuntu.conf doesn't apply at all, since lightdm isn't GDM.
[03:16] <ripa> yes.. 100%  you are correct
[03:17] <Unit193> I haven't used GDM in 5-10 years, can't really help you there. :)
[03:18] <ripa> thanks for pointing that out
[03:18] <ripa> but googling enable guest showed me those results on askubuntu and unbuntuforums
[03:19] <ripa> sry askubuntu only
[03:20] <Unit193> Haha!  I looked it up real quick, one post for how to enable the guest login started out with "Install lightdm" :D
[03:23] <ripa> Unit193: It suggests to install Lightdm -> enable Guest -> then switch back to GDM
[03:25] <Unit193> Not this one.
[03:25] <Unit193> ripa: I happend upon https://www.makeuseof.com/enable-restricted-guest-session-ubuntu/ and https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/create-guest-account-ubuntu-20-04/  both.
[03:25] <ripa> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1321782/lubuntu-20-04-and-tmporary-user-like-guest
[03:27] <Unit193> By the title, Lubuntu would be LXDE.
[03:28] <ripa> Unit193: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
[03:28] <ripa> this looks scary
[03:28] <ripa> i guess I shud back the current settings GDM.. googling that now
[03:29] <ripa> Unit193: btw.. any speciffic reason u r  using LightDM?
[03:29] <Unit193> I use Xfce, not GNOME.
[03:30] <ripa> dont know about Xfce either :(
[04:05] <ripa> Unit193: whoa  talk about User-friendly X-P
[04:09] <Unit193> ripa: Pardon?
[04:09] <ripa> will wrestle with Enabling Guest Sessions later..
[04:09] <ripa> 1. there is a package to  enable guest sessions in Gnome
[04:09] <ripa> 2. LightDM way -> install Lightdm then switch back to GDM
[04:09] <ripa> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
[04:09] <ripa> systemctl stop lightdm
[04:09] <ripa> systemctl start gdm3
[04:11] <ripa> Unit193: Thanks
[04:11] <Unit193> Sorry I couldn't help, I just don't know GNOME/GDM at all.
[04:11] <ripa> np.. but Thanks :)
[04:12] <ripa> have to run now
[04:12] <ripa> bye
[04:12] <Unit193> Well, you're welcome.  Toodles.
[05:17] <TheMasterS> Hello everyone.
[05:18] <jean-loups> hi TheMasterS
[05:18] <jean-loups> how are you ?
[05:19] <TheMasterS> I'm fine.
[07:01] <student> hi
[07:01] <student> anyone there
[07:01] <student> ?
[07:01] <student> what is hex chat though
[07:02] <jean-loups> too slowly
[07:10] <student> hi me from school computer
[07:10] <student> hi
[07:10] <student> hi
[07:24] <circle> Is there any problem with using both apt and snap versions of an application? Do they get different names on install, or how are they distinguished?
[07:26] <ID-10-T> sounds like a good way to break something
[07:28] <ID-10-T> or at minimum waste storage space and possibly ram
[07:47] <webchat95> Hi, this morning I got surprised by Ubuntu booting into a tty instead of a desktop environment
[07:47] <webchat95> What is the best way to debug this?
[07:47] <webchat95> display-manager.service doesn't log anything other than "starting" and "started" gdm3
[07:47] <webchat95> Interestingly, it seems to have exited: Process: 1813 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/gdm3 start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
[07:48] <webchat95> Turning on debugging in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf doesn't seem to give me any extra output
[07:48] <webchat95> Any pointers'd be greatly appreciated
[07:49] <circle> check free space: run as user:    df -h / /home
[07:49] <webchat95> Avail: 334G
[07:49] <circle> that should be enough for the moment
[07:51] <circle> sudo dmesg | less
[07:52] <jean-loups> hi webchat95 ; hi circle
[07:53] <jean-loups> webchat95, try with startx
[07:53] <jean-loups> more info in /var/log/Xorg0.log
[07:54] <webchat95> startx does start a graphical session, but with an error: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong" "A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again"
[07:55] <webchat95>  /var/log/X* does not seem to exist
[07:57] <jean-loups> try $ sudo service gdm3 start
[07:57] <jean-loups> and pastbin
[07:58] <jean-loups> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[08:00] <jean-loups> try ctrl+alt F2
[08:02] <webchat95> Restarting gdm3: https://pastebin.com/raw/7BafK012
[08:03] <webchat95> Switching to tty2 just gives me another tty unfortunately
[08:04] <jean-loups> try $ gdm3 on $ sudo gdm3 en paste
[08:04] <jean-loups> or*
[08:09] <jean-loups> and* sorry i pass a white night
[08:09] <webchat95> Ha! gdm3 command not found
[08:09] <webchat95> installing ubuntu-desktop-minimal solved the issue
[08:10] <webchat95> I have no idea how that managed to get uninstalled
[08:11] <jean-loups> great !
[08:12] <jean-loups> now install it and reboot
[08:13] <jean-loups> and $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and select 6x14 or else for tty
[08:13] <circle> Say on Ubuntu 2204 on dell laptop Ctrl-Alt-Fn  does not bring up the virtual consoles. How do I access them?
[08:15] <jean-loups> after F3
[08:15] <webchat95> Am I reading this right in the apt logs? Did apt remove ubuntu-desktop on its own during a dist-upgrade? https://pastebin.com/raw/R4HpTd0L
[08:17] <ID-10-T> it sure removed it, but was it suppsoed to install a newer version?
[08:17] <jean-loups> webchat95, please report the bug on bugtracker
[08:18] <jean-loups> just a dev mistak
[08:19] <ID-10-T> just?
[08:22] <jean-loups> it's just an oversight of the package maintainer
[08:23] <circle> the package ubuntu-desktop ?
[08:24] <jean-loups> were paste the bugtracker
[08:24] <jean-loups> webchat95, please paste the link of the bugtracker
[08:25] <jean-loups> need reboot, hexchat is too mutch slowly
[08:25] <circle> Re Dell keyboard, it seems the left Alt must be used, the right alt can only be used afterwards to switch between virtual consoles.
[08:26] <circle> Is that adjustable somewhere?
[08:27] <circle> odd because other laptops do not have this restriction, and there's no indication on the keyboard that L-Alt is different from R-Alt.
[08:28] <ID-10-T> sounds like some key-mapping for whateevr the setup is
[08:34] <circle> where to find these key mappings?
[08:34] <EriC^^> maybe 'xmodmap -pke'
[08:42] <webchat95> jean-loups https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2025462
[08:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2025462 in Ubuntu "Apt deletes ubuntu-desktop during dist-upgrade" [Undecided, New]
[08:42] <webchat95> Appreciate the help
[08:42] <webchat95> Thanks
[08:46] <ID-10-T> rather major oversight, removing multiple packages and dependencies s upgrading >_<
[08:49] <webchat18> is it possible to enable LUKS encryption on the boot volume using a key in TPM?
[08:52] <clarkk> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04 with Gnome. ssh doesn't ask me for my passphrase when logging into a remote system. If I create a new user locally and give it the same identity files, it asks for the passphrase. Anyone know why?
[08:56] <webchat18> is your user account set up for public key authentication?
[08:58] <EriC^^> clarkk: something to do with the ssh-agent, it's probably unlocking it when you login in the first account
[08:58] <clarkk> EriC^^, that sounds like it. How do I manage the keys stored in the agent?
[08:59] <EriC^^> clarkk: never tried that before, but try "password and keys" from the applications/search
[09:04] <clarkk> EriC^^, thanks for your help. Yes, that's it. ssh-add -l  lists the stored identities
[09:05] <TheUnkown> ?
[09:08] <EriC^^> clarkk: i see, no problem
[09:12] <webchat18> anyone know the answer to my LUKS problem? The idea is to avoid the password entry on the server when rebooting remotely, but the encryption key needs to be stored securely, i.e. not on another partition. How do we remove that password entry requirement. Not sure how up-to-date the online material is - one referred to Ubuntu 12.xx!
[09:15] <webchat18> we are using server 22.04...
[09:16] <webchat18> perhaps I should start with the question: is LUKS still the Linux counterpart to Bitlocker?
[09:17] <EriC^^> are you expecting some already solution or asking for ideas
[09:19] <webchat18> I guess I am asking for ideas. There is stuff online, but not sure how accurate or up-to-date it is so I want to first establish the correct way to do this in 2023
[09:19] <EriC^^> can you share the stuff online you found?
[09:20] <webchat18> this looks up-to-date: https://www.cyberciti.biz/security/howto-linux-hard-disk-encryption-with-luks-cryptsetup-command/
[09:20] <webchat18> have no idea whether cryptsetup is the correct way forward though
[09:21] <webchat18> this is another: https://glentomkowiak.medium.com/luks-with-tpm-in-ubuntu-df867cad9a1
[09:21] <webchat18> but it says it can't be done on boot voumes...
[09:22] <EriC^^> webchat18: if i understood correctly you want to not have to enter the passphrase when you reboot remotely, but you still want it to have to enter a passphrase if it's started from a poweroff?
[09:24] <webchat18> EriC^^ no, just the first one. Not enter a passphrase when booting remotely. If that means getting rid of a passphrase altogether, then all the better. I have been informed that it should use the TPM
[09:25] <webchat18> ...but it must obviously work on a bootable volume...
[09:25] <ogra> the only ubuntu that supports unttended LUKS booting with key in TPM (and *only* if secure boot is also properly set up and enabled)  is UbuntuCore currently ...
[09:26] <ogra> there is an attempt to allow this on classic server insalls too but that might still take a while
[09:26] <webchat18> ah, that's the IoT version?
[09:26] <ogra> right
[09:27] <webchat18> ogra Ok, thanks.
[09:28] <ogra> https://ubuntu.com/core/features/secure-boot
[09:28] <ogra> for more details ...
[09:28] <EriC^^> webchat18: maybe this helps? https://run.tournament.org.il/ubuntu-20-04-and-tpm2-encrypted-system-disk/
[09:29] <EriC^^> it is tpm2 though
[09:29] <webchat18> that at least shows it is possible. Thanks for the links. Will read up. TPM2 is preferred.
[09:29] <ogra> yeah, tpm2 is a hard req. even on UbuntuCore and will surely also be a req when classic server supports it later
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:42] <tekisui> hello
[13:45] <CoolerX> I am trying to install podman on Ubuntu 20..04
[13:45] <CoolerX> Tried apt-get and it failed
[13:45] <CoolerX> Tried with aptitude https://bpa.st/KQCNQ
[13:46] <leftyfb> do not use aptitude
[13:47] <CoolerX> well apt-get isn't helping
[13:47] <tekisui> have you tried synaptic package manager ?
[13:47] <CoolerX> snap?
[13:47] <tekisui> it comes with ubuntu
[13:47] <tekisui> at [preferences]
[13:47] <leftyfb> CoolerX: podman is not a package in the ubuntu repositories
[13:48] <leftyfb> that includes snap
[13:49] <leftyfb> CoolerX: why not just use lxd?
[13:52] <CoolerX> idk what lxd is
[13:53] <CoolerX> "podman is not a package in the ubuntu repositories" what?
[13:53] <CoolerX> https://podman.io/docs/installation#ubuntu
[13:53] <CoolerX> "The podman package is available in the official repositories for Ubuntu 20.10 and newer.
[13:53] <CoolerX> "
[13:53] <CoolerX> hmmmmmmmmm
[13:54] <leftyfb> sorry, not in 20.04
[13:54] <CoolerX> VERSION="20.04.6 LTS (Focal Fossa)"
[13:54] <leftyfb> the first case of podman being in ubuntu is 22.04
[13:54] <leftyfb> sorry. 22.10
[13:54] <leftyfb> 20.10
[13:54] <leftyfb> CoolerX: either way, https://ubuntu.com/lxd
[13:55] <CoolerX> they give instructions to use kubic repo
[13:55] <leftyfb> don't
[13:55] <leftyfb> LXD is a very easy way to spin up and use containers
[13:56] <CoolerX> leftyfb: that makes no sense to me, podman and docker aren't exactly difficult to use
[13:56] <CoolerX> docker run --rm -p 8080:80 nginx
[13:56] <CoolerX> also I need podman because certain bash scripts use it
[13:56] <oerheks> 14 not upgraded, fix those first?
[13:57] <CoolerX> to build a project
[13:57] <CoolerX> well I gtg, oerheks I don't want to do too much since it's a shared server
[14:09] <hsiktas[m]> isn't the HWE kernel from 23.04 for 22.04 a bit late?
[14:12] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar-updates/linux-generic-hwe-22.04
[14:13] <oerheks> currently <IP_ADDRESS>.24 , but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:13] <hsiktas[m]> they mention July 23 here: https://canonical.com/blog/canonical-livepatch-gets-even-better-now-supporting-hardware-enablement-kernels
[14:14] <m1ngxxv> hi
[14:15] <m1ngxxv> is anyone alive?
[14:16] <tekisui> hello
[14:16] <m1ngxxv> how life
[14:16] <tekisui> pretty good
[14:16] <tekisui> managed to fix xorg :)
[14:16] <m1ngxxv> oh nice
[14:16] <ogra> hsiktas[m], try asking on #ubuntu-kernel if you need more details ...
[14:16] <m1ngxxv> what happened with xorg
[14:16] <tekisui> ah long story..
[14:16] <tekisui> i got nvida video card, ubuntu doesn´t like it verry much
[14:16] <tekisui> nvidia*
[14:17] <m1ngxxv> oh damn, which nvidia card?
[14:17] <tekisui> gt 530
[14:18] <m1ngxxv> thats an old card. um Noveau not working
[14:18] <tekisui> yes half now :)
[14:18] <tekisui> videos run well but can´t start any games
[14:18] <tekisui> perhaps a sign i should quit gaming
[14:19] <m1ngxxv> what games do you play?
[14:20] <m1ngxxv> on a side note im showing my friend how irc works and hes impressed
[14:21] <tekisui> :)
[14:21] <tekisui> it´s a solid system since 1985
[14:21] <ogra>  perhaps a sign you should get a more modern graphics card 🙂
[14:21] <ogra> gt530 is pretty legacy ...
[14:22] <ogra> (and it isnt really ubuntus fault that nvidia tends to drop support for old cards from their recent drivers)
[14:22] <tekisui> umm i know..
[14:25] <m1ngxxv> ikr, irc is awesome
[15:18] <OutOfService> hi people
[15:20] <OutOfService> I'm looking for god documentation in order to netbooting ubuntu desktop (or server) 22.04. What I need is to use it with (i)pxe and http. All the docs I can see on the internet are for old versions, but nothing related to current version. I also saw some docs regarding iscsi, and maybe nfs, but what I really need is booting the installation using just (i)pxe and http. Please, any help over
[15:20] <OutOfService> here?
[15:22] <lotuspsychj3> OutOfService: maybe here; https://discourse.ubuntu.com/
[15:22] <OutOfService> I was able to boot ubuntu installation, but at some point, it ask me to provide some "init=" options in order to mount the root, but I don't know where to fins there init options. Any clue?
[15:23] <OutOfService> I'll have a look. thanks. Anyway, this channel is also for technical help, isn't it?
[15:24] <lotuspsychj3> yes it is OutOfService you can ask ubuntu related issues here aswell indeed
[15:24] <OutOfService> ok. anyway I'm already having a look to the site you said. I didn't know it
[15:32] <nvmd> wtf is that?
[15:32] <nvmd> oops, sorry
[15:33] <jhutchins> Is edubuntu still around?  The Debian education project had a really solid netboot system, but I think the project died out.
[15:33] <oerheks> edubuntu is in revival, ask Eickmeyer
[15:34] <oerheks> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Edubuntu-2023
[15:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> 23.04 is available.
[15:34] <oerheks> netboot happens with the live server nowadays? https://www.molnar-peter.hu/en/ubuntu-jammy-netinstall-pxe.html
[15:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Completely revived now.
[15:35] <oerheks> :-)
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/edubuntu-23-04-released/35281
[15:38] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: And also pay more attention to Ubuntu Weekly News.
[15:38] <Eickmeyer> (don't rely on 3rd party sources so much)
[15:39] <Eickmeyer> jhutchins: https://www.edubuntu.org/
[16:14] <joo> how to fix if you just got gnome 44 (ubuntu 23 upgrade), but file save dialog and nautlius in general is very very slow / unresponsive. If i search for files when entering filenames, it even mixes up the keypresses unless i type real slow
[16:37] <creactive> Hi all
[16:39] <tekisui> hello
[16:39] <creactive> How are you doing? Just checking out the ubuntu channel
[16:39] <tekisui> :)
[16:39] <creactive> It's my first time using IRC
[16:39] <tekisui> welcome
[16:40] <creactive> Thank you
[16:40] <creactive> This is a can of worms I'm exploring that began at Matrix Messenger, lol
[16:41] <creactive> Some interesting name I see in the nick list
[16:41] <creactive> Some interesting names I see in the nick list
[16:41] <creactive> Oh. I thought that would correct what I wrote. Looks like it has repeated my last message.
[16:42] <creactive> Can or do we discuss general topics here?
[16:42] <tekisui> try ##chat
[16:42] <tekisui> or ##sleep
[16:42] <tekisui> and there is #philosophy
[16:43] <creactive> Such as carbon fiber hulls, refuge ships, Putin etc?
[16:43] <tekisui> ##politics perhaps ?
[16:43] <leftyfb> #ot | creactive
[16:43] <creactive> Cool
[16:43] <leftyfb> !ot | creactive
[16:43] <creactive> I'll have a look now!
[17:01] <jhutchins> joo: What else is going on?  What does "top" show is loading the system?  What filesystem did you choose?  Is it encrypted?
[19:16] <Elliria> Hey there, the recent NVIDIA update (today) made it so I can't boot. I use Kubuntu, so I posted a message in the Kubuntu channel, but nobody's replying. Can I possibly get help in here instead?
[19:18] <sarnold> yeah
[19:19] <Elliria> Okay, thanks. Here goes: I did an NVIDIA driver update after being prompted for it in Kubuntu 22.04 LTS and now I can't boot unless I boot into the old kernel. Details are here and I'd love any advice any of you have: https://bpa.st/ISWRC
[19:21] <Elliria> I totally forgot to mention in the information in that link that when I installed Kubuntu, I opted to allow Kubuntu to manage my video drivers for me, so everything is however Kubuntu wants it to be.
[19:23] <sarnold> *wow* that's pink :)
[19:24] <Elliria> Heh, it's #FF00FF... better known as plain old magenta, but I love the idea of Foofing my computer.
[19:24] <sarnold> lol
[19:26] <sarnold> Elliria: does 'sudo ubuntu-drivers install' do anything useful?
[19:27] <Elliria> Can I do it while I'm here talking to you? What will it do?
[19:28] <sarnold> yeah, you can; my hope is that it'll spot a missing package or something and offer to install it
[19:29] <Elliria> Okay, I'll try it. By the way, I just clicked on the update notifier in my tray and it checked and says I'm up-to-date, but here goes your command...
[19:29] <Elliria> It's doing a whole lot too fast for me to catch it and read it.
[19:30] <Elliria> I see lots of "Setting up" and "Processing triggers" messages.
[19:32] <Elliria> Here's what it did: https://bpa.st/ZQHAM
[19:34] <Elliria> Now, when I look in Muon, there are WAY more NVIDIA packages installed. More than one screenful if I were to take screenshots. Would you like the screenshots?
[19:36] <kara_> Hello everyone. I am hoping someone has some experience with Ubuntu's Microstack deployment using sunbeam here.
[19:37] <Elliria> There are 22 NVIDIA packages installed now.
[19:39] <sarnold> Elliria: oh that looks VERY promising :D
[19:40] <Elliria> Heh. I hope so. Does it mean I had an incomplete installation and everything should be good now?
[19:41] <sarnold> Elliria: hopefully
[19:42] <kara_> I am doing the multi-node deployment, but when I run the sunbeam cluster bootstrap --role control --role compute --role storage command it will get to the point of adding microceph and then timeout, if I run the command again I get to choose the disk I want to use, but I get an error. If I reboot and try to run the command again, I generally get a "could not list disks" error and when I try to dive into the logs for microceph it s
[19:42] <kara_> eems I am experiencing some kind of permissions issue.
[19:45] <leftyfb> kara_: your issue is very k8's specific and not really an ubuntu support question. You should try asking in #kubernetes or #ubuntu-server
[19:45] <kara_> Ok. thank you.
[19:45] <Elliria> Okay. I'll try it in a minute. Someone is also responding in the Kubuntu channel now with different advice and I'll clear up which of their advice I should do or wait to do until after rebooting to see if this fixed it. Either way, I'll come back into here and let you know how it goes. Thank you SO much for helping me!
[19:48] <Elliria> That person is saying that it's likely the initrd just didn't get updated for the latest kernel and that that can happen when the kernel and the drivers get updated together. Did your command fix that?
[19:49] <sarnold> Elliria: yup, check out lines 392 and onward in your paste https://bpa.st/ZQHAM
[19:50] <Elliria> Oh, awesome. Does it doing that mean that that's probably what was wrong or would it do it no matter what?
[19:53] <sarnold> Elliria: I suspect half the 64 new packages had something to do with it, too
[19:55] <Elliria> Heh. That's probably true. Would one expect to need/get so many new packages with a driver update?
[19:56] <Elliria> By the way, I ran the "sudo apt install --fix-broken" command that the other person in the Kubuntu channel recommended with this output: https://bpa.st/JGV7I
[19:59] <Elliria> I haven't heard back from the person in the Kubuntu channel, so I guess I'll try rebooting to see if it's fixed. If it is, you'll see me back in here shortly. If it's not and I can no longer get into the old kernel, it will be a while, because I'll have to fetch my laptop and get it set up first.
[20:00] <sarnold> Elliria: I bet their --fix-broken would have done very similar, if not identical, operation
[20:01] <Elliria> They recommended this first before that, but not until after I'd already run your command, so I'm not sure if I should run this or wait to see if yours did the job: sudo apt full-upgrade && update-initramfs -u -k all
[20:01] <oerheks> mixing support from 2 channels..
[20:02] <Elliria> Yeah, I didn't intend to do that, but nobody replied there, so I came here. My apologies.
[20:03] <oerheks> the only way to find out if it is working again, is reboot. good luck!
[20:03] <Elliria> Allrighty then. Hopefully, I'll be back in a bit.
[20:05] <Elliria> Weehaw! Fixed! Oh, thank you SO very much, sarnold, for everything! You're my hero!
[20:05] <oerheks> !cookie | sarnold
[20:06] <Elliria> Heh.
[20:07] <Elliria> I will try to pay this forward. I genuinely appreciate your patience and your time and I'm so very glad you were here.
[20:08] <oerheks> have fun!
[20:08] <Elliria> Thanks! You, too!
[20:14] <sarnold> Elliria: woot! :D
[20:14] <Elliria> I know, right? And I'm THRILLED with the update now that it's working. They finally fixed my desktop animations, which is amazing. Nothing on earth compares with Kubuntu's Magic Lamp and Fall Apart and I've missed them for many months. It's truly a pleasure to have them back again.
[20:16] <sarnold> haha :D nice
[21:03] <tekisui> hey dj
[21:03] <tekisui> have you tried mixxx
[21:04] <Guest82> does anyone know if newer versions of ubuntu(after 20) are supposed to support the lenovo ideapad touch pad? I've seen a bunch of fixes online, but none of them work for me
[21:06] <tekisui> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1229957/ubuntu-20-04-touchscreen-on-lenovo-yoga
[21:07] <tekisui> maybe this helps..
[21:08] <Guest82> Thanks for the link, but the touchscreen works fine. The touch pad (which doesn't use wacom drivers) is my issue
[21:08] <tekisui> ok
[21:10] <Guest82> to be more specific my touch pad doesn't do anything and when I use xinput or lshw, no touch pad appears at all even though it works on windows
[21:14] <Elliria> Is this of any use? https://askubuntu.com/questions/159397/how-to-enable-touchpad
[21:15] <sarnold> Make sure that the Touchpad is enabled. On an MSI laptop to Enable or disable the touchpad: FN+F3.
[21:15] <sarnold> that looks promising
[21:15] <sarnold> maybe you've got a little picture of a touchpad on the keyboard?
[21:21] <Guest82> the issue is that the touch pad isn't shown in xinput so I can't enable it using xinput
[21:21] <Guest82> none of my function keys seem to do anything
[21:22] <sarnold> :(
[21:23] <Elliria> Have you tried pressing the FN key with a function key? Some computers require that.
[21:24] <tekisui> https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht075464-how-to-enable-and-disable-the-touchpad-windows-ideapad
[21:24] <Elliria> I have to do that with my laptop.
[21:25] <Elliria> How nice of Lenovo to put pictures on the keys.
[21:27] <Guest82> i dont seem to have any function keys that enable or disable the touchpad
[21:28] <Guest82> i booted to windows and it said the mouse is on "I2C HID Device"
[21:29] <tekisui> could it be something you can turn on into the bios ?
[21:29] <tekisui> just be carefull
[21:31] <Thermoriax> Possibly dumb question, but...I can move a LUKS encrypted drive to another machine and access it as long as I have the passphrase, right?
[21:32] <Guest82> I have secure boot off because I heard it can affect drivers, but other than that, none of my other bios settings relate to the touch pad
[21:33] <tekisui> ok..
[21:34] <d4455dza> hi
[21:34] <Elliria> I asked Google how to enable function keys in Ubuntu on Lenovo Ideapad and this was one of the suggestions: Press Fn + Esc to enable Fn Lock and disable the hotkey functionality. After enabling or disabling Hotkey Mode, use the hotkey as follows: Enabled: Use the hotkey function by pressing a single Fx key. Use a legacy Fx function by pressing Fn + Fx key.
[21:35] <Elliria> You don't have an FN or Fn key somewhere on that keyboard?
[21:36] <Elliria> Possibly down by the Ctrl key.
[21:37] <Guest82> I tried the all of the function keys both legacy and normal, but they didn't affect the touchpad
[21:37] <Elliria> If you can find that Fn key, you can press it and hold it while pressing any function key to get legacy function-key behavior.
[21:39] <Guest82> i should also mention that external wireless mouses work fine and show up in xinput and lshw
[21:40] <Guest82> honestly i might just give up and buy my own external mouse
[21:40] <Guest82> does anyone think upgrading to the newest version of ubuntu will help (it uses a newer kernel i think)
[21:41] <tekisui> i read something a new kernel might help with lenovo
[21:42] <Elliria> It might. You could put it onto a USB stick and boot with it to see how it behaves before committing to it.
[22:05] <Guest82> The touch pad doesn't work on 23.04 with kernal 6.2
[22:06] <tekisui> hmm
[22:06] <Guest82> is that it then? ubuntu just straight up doesnt support my touch pad
[22:06] <tekisui> maybe lenovo can provide an answer
[22:11] <Guest82> guess ill contact support
[22:16] <jeremy31> Guest82: post URL from terminal for > sudo dmesg | grep -i i2c| nc termbin.com 9999
[22:23] <Guest82> jeremy31: I get an error
[22:23] <Guest82> nc: getaddrinfo for host "termbin.com" port 9999: Temporary failure in name resolution
[22:26] <jeremy31> Guest82: no internet on it?
[22:28] <Guest82> oh it disconected me from wifi for some reason, let me try again
[22:28] <Guest82> termbin.com/nucn
[22:41] <jean-loups> what the visioconference software proposal in pub at the install of ubuntu ?
[22:46] <Guest82> jean-loups: are you talking about the open source vs proprietary drivers?
[22:54] <sarnold> jean-loups: I think the slideshow images are on https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/tree/
[22:58] <jean-loups> no the software for visio
[22:58] <jean-loups> i don´t remeber
[22:58] <jean-loups> remember
[22:59] <sarnold> inkscape?
[23:00] <jean-loups> not for vector draw, for vidéo conferencing
[23:05] <jean-loups> need go sleeping earlier
[23:05] <jean-loups> 1 am in france
[23:05] <tekisui> bonne nuit
[23:05] <jeremy31> Guest82: file a bug report
[23:05] <tekisui> reve a lit
[23:06] <tekisui> au revoir
[23:06] <jean-loups> non mais je veux mon logiciel de visioconférence


[00:00] <ianorlin> I don't know about that
[00:01] <clypso> Hello. I am having problems with my lubuntu recognizing my wireless card. I literally dont see ANYTHING going on with my wireless.  I have A Sony pcg-7113L. All system information can be found here http://pastebin.com/r9nRP2bJ
[00:01] <Reptilia> ianorlin:Nope, when i alt + tab from, let's say firefox to LXterminal, there is a visual effect, like something going from right to left.
[00:06] <ianorlin> clypso unfortanetly I think the Broadcom proprietary driver is really the only way to get that to work so plug into ethernet and go to where it says additional drivers
[00:06] <ianorlin> Reptilia wierd it shows up with icons wehn I do that
[00:07] <clypso> i have ethernet plugged in im on this laptop now. Ok so go to additional drivers? where is that? sorry im new lol
[00:07] <ianorlin> in the menu on under prefrences
[00:08] <clypso> ok im there
[00:08] <jq-> Hi, I made a new user account and deleted the original and now when I try to sudo it tells me I'm not in the sudoers file, how can I fix this?
[00:09] <Reptilia> ianorlin:Yeah, icons are shown here too, but i am talking about the part when you switch from one app to another, and when you are looking at the second app, there is some minor visual effect which is shown. I want to turn that off so i save on resources.
[00:09] <Reptilia> Because i am running a relatively old hardware
[00:09] <clypso> Ok so i enabled for Broadcom corporation wireless mini card. But i see this other tab that says "Unknown: Unknown" then under it it says "This device is using a manually-installed driver" what do i do with this ?
[00:10] <Reptilia> ianorlin:Now i saw that it's not happening when i alt+tab, but only when i click on the active tabs in the taskbar.
[00:11] <ianorlin> can you give your current user sudo?http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[00:11] <Reptilia> Nevermind, it's not that important
[00:11] <ianorlin> on the taskbar?
[00:14] <Reptilia> Yeah
[00:15] <Reptilia> When i switch between tabs, using my mouse, by clicking on the different tabs, the visual effect is shown. When i am using the alt + tab method, the visual effect is not shown. The visual effect is something like a migration from left to right, a slight gradient-y thing, lol, don't know how to describe it :D
[00:18] <ianorlin> I think it also stays a slight highlighted color after saying what your current window is what you are seeing
[00:26] <Reptilia> ianorlin:Thanks for the help, as i said, it's not that important, i may find somewhere on the net how to turn off that. Logging off now, cya
[00:49] <lubuntu_core1404> how can i remove the guest account from lightdm, hide the user list and force all users ton type in both their username and password? I am not running a full  lubuntu-desktop, just lubuntu-core
[00:52] <ianorlin> lubuntu_core1404: this has the ways to have no guest and but involves editing files https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[00:59] <lubuntu_core1404> will follow the wiki instructions. will be back in 5 minutes or so. thanks
[08:31] <cristian_c> Hi
[08:31] <cristian_c> I've purchased a Rii mini i8 bluetooth keyboard
[08:31] <cristian_c> How can i enable the keyboard in lubuntu?
[08:31] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[08:32] <cristian_c> I've paired it
[08:35] <Vanfanel> hello, is there a Lubuntu-specific help forum? I think I've found a VERY notable bug in 14.04 but no one cares on the Ubuntu forum...
[08:37] <silverlion> Vanfanel : hi ... maybe you should supscribe on the lubuntu-users mailing-list and post it there
[08:37] <Vanfanel> ah! Maybe that'll be a good idea, yes :)
[08:37] <silverlion> Vanfanel : ;)
[10:40] <cristian_c> The server has disconnected me
[10:40] <cristian_c> Has anyone answered to me?
[16:10] <funkoolow> hi all
[16:10] <funkoolow> anyone knows how to force a specific resolution at sttartup on lubuntu 14.04?
[16:11] <funkoolow> my old monitor works fine only if booted via restore mode first
[16:12] <comics_idees> you m
[16:12] <comics_idees> you must
[16:12] <comics_idees> install
[16:13] <comics_idees> arandr and disper
[16:13] <comics_idees> and you must make a .desktop file
[16:13] <funkoolow> k thanks, i'll check them out
[16:13] <comics_idees> to run arandr or disper
[16:13] <comics_idees> in the startup
[16:13] <comics_idees> i use disper
[16:14] <comics_idees> also you need disper-indicator
[16:14] <comics_idees> with disper
[16:15] <funkoolow> i've installed em
[16:15] <funkoolow> now i need to edit a .desktop file in my homedir?
[16:18] <comics_idees> you go to etc/xdg/autostart
[16:19] <comics_idees> and you try to run disper or arandr
[16:19] <comics_idees> on autostart
[16:19] <comics_idees> with a resolution you specify
[16:19] <comics_idees> and one of them works
[16:19] <funkoolow> k, i'm seeing the correct command is disper -S -r 1024x768
[16:20] <comics_idees> yes you try this
[16:20] <comics_idees> and reboot
[16:20] <funkoolow> i'll give it a try, thanks man
[16:20] <funkoolow> will this be effective even on login?
[16:20] <comics_idees> not in login screen
[16:21] <comics_idees> after login it takes the resolution
[16:21] <funkoolow> oh, cause also login won't show up
[16:21] <funkoolow> where did they put xorg.conf in *ubuntu?
[16:22] <comics_idees> I dont know how to set resolution in login screen
[16:22] <funkoolow> k, thanks anyway for your precious suggestion, i'll check some other solution :)
[16:23] <comics_idees> if you find how to set login screen I want to know
[16:23] <comics_idees> because I cannot set my login screen
[16:23] <comics_idees> I wish I could change its background
[16:25] <funkoolow> i'm thinkin about forcing failsafe at boot time
[16:25] <funkoolow> since bootin that way all goes fine
[16:25] <funkoolow> but just an idea
[16:32] <funkoolow> i'll be back and let you know man, i'm rebooting and try that out
[16:44] <funkoolow> @comic_idees
[16:44] <funkoolow> it seems that i've solved disabling the $vt_handsoff parameter at boot
[16:44] <funkoolow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1768725
[16:45] <funkoolow> now my /etc/default/grub for the default linux entry is:
[16:45] <funkoolow> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet nomodeset"
[16:45] <funkoolow> and it goes fine even at login
[16:45] <funkoolow> hope this helps you
[16:46] <funkoolow> mail if you need help
[16:46] <funkoolow> funkoolow at gmail
[16:46] <funkoolow> byr
[16:46] <funkoolow> bye
[16:46] <funkoolow> and thanks again for the resolution tool you suggested
[17:11] <kuhilasvaara> can I see a log somewhere I am trying to shrink a ntfs drive with qparted but nothing happens.. it just says "real resize".. which log file might have smth?
[17:11] <kuhilasvaara> nothing happened on windows side when I first tried to shrink it there..
[17:13] <kuhilasvaara> do I have to unmount it first or something?
[17:13] <kuhilasvaara> or can shrinking a ntfs partition from 540gb to 426gb take tens of minutes or more?
[17:15] <kuhilasvaara> cancelling operation may cause SEVERE filesystem damage when I try cancel with qparted.. oh well, I guess it can take hours. Took like 4 seconds last time I shrank a volume
[17:20] <ianorlin> yes it must be unmounted kuhilasvaara
[17:21] <ianorlin> shrinking ntfs has taken a while for me on my 2tb drive down to 100 gb but haven't done 540 to 426
[17:23] <kuhilasvaara> when I unmount it, I get a ! sign saying that unable to read contents and that following list of software is required for ntfs file system support: ntfsprogs /ntfs-3g well I have ntfs-3g but the other one apt-get can't find..
[17:24] <kuhilasvaara> and when it is unmounted, I am unable to resize it
[17:24] <kuhilasvaara> I can open the resize screen, but can't move the sliders
[17:26] <kuhilasvaara> would be niec to be able to see some details while it is shrinking it, other than a bar
[17:28] <kuhilasvaara> ianorlin: a while? like couple minutes or half an hour or more?
[17:30] <ianorlin> depends on speed of disk and how big size
[17:31] <ianorlin> this took like more than half an hour but was through slow usb 2.0 as external and from 2.0 tb to 100 GB
[17:31] <ianorlin> if yours is sata it will be faster I think
[19:12] <kuhilasvaara> ianorlin: thanks. it did indeed take quite long. I was gone for over an houy leaving it to shrink and it did
[19:12] <kuhilasvaara> shrink
[19:36] <me1900> hi
[19:36] <me1900> i wat to put lubuntu 14.04 on usb pen drive what do you use for it?
[19:37] <wxl> me1900: dd or unetbootin would be my suggestion
[19:37] <wxl> !usb
[19:38] <me1900> thanks. i am wanting to use lubuntu for software defined radio hardware called rtl-sdr (rtl2832u r820T)
[19:38] <wxl> neat! i want to make a sdr
[19:38] <me1900> i have 3 of them
[19:38] <wxl> can i have one? XD
[19:39] <me1900> nooelec.com wil sell you one for 20 usd
[19:39] <wxl> whoa
[19:39] <me1900> thx for the help on the usb install info
[19:40] <wxl> np thx for the link
[19:40] <me1900> btw freenode ##rtlsdr can help you get started they are linux smart too
[19:40] <wxl> cool thanks for the help!!
[19:46] <wxl> ubuntu still sucks
[19:46] <wxl> too much bullcrap
[19:47]  * wxl uses lubuntu with awesome instead of openbox
[19:50] <me1900> ubuntu handle sdr good tho just use alternate iso because fft display and sample rate is loading cpu
[19:51] <wxl> me1900: know of an inexpensive way i could receive uhf/shf?
[19:51] <me1900> the r820T covers 24mhz to 1.744 Ghz non stop
[19:52] <wxl> i'd like to get up to 5 GHz
[19:52] <me1900> needs a down convertor
[20:00] <me1900> unetbootin not displaying progress bar yet usb pen drive show activity
[20:18] <comics_idees> what is software defined radio?
[20:19]  * wxl wonders
[20:19] <wxl> !sdr
[20:19] <wxl> nope, ubottu don't know about that one :)
[20:19] <wxl> it's essentially employing a computer to act as a radio tuner
[20:19] <comics_idees> it produces radiowaves?
[20:20] <comics_idees> or it plays radio music?
[20:20] <wxl> it's more for ham radio use
[20:21] <comics_idees> can I become radio amature if I use this?
[20:21] <comics_idees> amateur I mean
[20:21] <wxl> you can, or you can get real hardware
[20:21] <wxl> of course you have to or should follow regulations
[20:31] <me1900> rtl-sdr.org for your answers
[20:31] <me1900> or
[20:32] <me1900> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[20:32] <me1900> i gotta reboot hopjng lubuntu loads
[20:45] <homegrown> zelda classic not working. bash: ./zlaunch-l: No such file or directory OR  (sh) zlaunch-l: 1:zlaunch-l: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string  . identical output for running any zelda classic executables
[20:47] <wxl> homegrown: try `locate zlaunch-l`
[20:49] <homegrown> no response, that's odd
[20:49] <wxl> so maybe bash wasn't lying to you
[20:49] <wxl> as far as you know, where is it?
[20:50] <homegrown> no response when run recursivly from parent directory either
[20:51] <homegrown> its in the same directory where I'm running it /home/homegrown/Downloads/Zelda Classic/2.5/
[20:51] <wxl> `ls -al` that directory and pastebin it
[20:51] <wxl> you might want to `sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit` to make your life easier
[20:51] <wxl> you can just do `ls -al | pastebinit` at that point
[20:52] <wxl> bbl lunch calls
[20:53] <homegrown> dang, how to copy-paste from xterm?
[20:56]  * ianorlin would use lxtermianl if you need to copy paste and then it is control shift c
[20:58] <homegrown> oh, I'm on 64-bit btw. sorry, that might explaine everything, sorry
[21:02] <homegrown> http://pastebin.com/7rRkECyW
[21:20] <doko> just installed newest lubuntu on a new laptop. i5, now i dont have sound and there also is no sound icon in the bar (where you can mute, increase/decrease)
[21:20] <doko> am i missing the entire audio part or what >?
[21:21] <ianorlin> doko can you pastebin the output of aplay -l
[21:22] <doko> http://pastebin.com/rf1x33RP
[21:26] <ianorlin> does running alsamixer in terminal do anything
[21:30] <doko> yes, the ncurses like looking window
[21:30] <doko> i just dont have sound
[21:30] <ianorlin> is anything muted
[21:30] <doko> can i somehow check if my soundcard is disabled or anything
[21:36] <doko> could you give me a command to check my laptops internals? like cd drive type, graphics
[21:45] <doko> ianorlin http://pastebin.com/izaxU9Xa
[21:52] <me1900> got lubuntu on
[21:53] <me1900> so like hello peoples
[21:53] <me1900> what does lubuntu have for lubuntu updates similar to windwos updates?
[21:54] <doko> check out my soundcard and its capabilities. http://pastebin.com/n7Tv59uN
[21:56] <me1900> foundit software updater
[22:00] <wxl> homegrown: back from lunch. figure it out?
[22:01] <wxl> homegrown: what does `file zlaunch-l` give you?
[22:02]  * wxl downloads zc
[22:04] <wxl> wow, how are they capable of licensing this?!
[22:09] <homegrown> wxl: zlaunch-l: ELF 32-bit LSB  executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[22:10] <homegrown> wxl: Nintendo has not pursued action against Zelda Classic. It doesn't use ROMS, but it does use sprite rips.
[22:11] <wxl> homegrown: wow this is pretty sweet. if you have a 32 bit executable i would think it should run on 64, but not vice versa
[22:11] <wxl> curious.
[22:11] <wxl> ran fine here but i'm on 32
[22:12] <homegrown> It is a clone, with occasional sprite rips for some quests. The core ZC download and main quest doesn't contain any directly ripped sprites, they are hand crafted facsimiles
[22:18] <homegrown> wxl: ZC's licensing itself is complicated. Quests are pretty much proprietary no cost and undisputed. The core is proprietary, says some team members. Its GPL says others. The official page announced GPL, obscurely. There's a git archive corresponding to this announcement. Its maintained. Some team members still insist its not GPL and the git version is leaked proprietary code. No one reports them to FSF because they like having access to the code.
[22:21] <homegrown> well, reality calls. I'll be back in a while
[23:00] <wxl> yiiikes
[23:00] <wxl> i ran zc without the launcher and all hell broke loose on my dual monitor setup
[23:28] <homegrown> wxl: the ZC team is not Linux people
[23:28] <wxl> homegrown: heh, apparently!
[23:29] <wxl> homegrown: needless to say i'm going to be having fun with that game :)
[23:29] <homegrown> their not really windows or mac people either, :)
[23:30] <wxl> hahahah
[23:47] <homegrown> well, going on the theory that the executable needs something that it doesn't report it needs, i'm installing bunches of games to see if it runs after
[23:47] <wxl> heheh
[23:48] <wxl> maybe run a 32 bit virtual machien and see if it works there
[23:48] <wxl> then you'll be able to know that it's a an issue with the binary


[03:18] <latenitesss> Hi folks, I have this ij.jar file that holds classes that my main.java file imports. How do I invoke javac do the file in ij.jar get included? http://pastie.org/1259360 thanks


[12:51] <b4tm4n> how can i make an upstart script run on boot?
[12:57] <b4tm4n> and, is it better to use init scripts or upstart?


[00:05] <jussi> yay.... im awake :/
[00:05] <maps|wrk_> yay
[00:05] <maps|wrk_> sup jussi
[00:05] <jussi> hi maps|wrk_
[00:05] <maps|wrk_> =]
[00:06] <jussi> 2 year old decided that she isn't sleeping this night
[00:07] <maps|wrk_> ah damn
[00:07] <maps|wrk_> you got work in the morning?
[00:07] <jussi> yup
[00:07] <maps|wrk_> that aint good ;(
[00:08] <jussi> nope
[00:17] <maps|wrk_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03ytvjz/Life_and_Death_Row_Execution/
[00:17] <maps|wrk_> quite interesting
[01:08] <daftykins> maps|wrk_: there was a cat on my lap
[01:08] <daftykins> in super elongated mode, no less
[01:09] <maps|wrk_> ah
[01:09] <maps|wrk_> the cat sat on the mat
[01:09] <maps|wrk_> O_o
[01:10] <daftykins> i'm no matthew
[01:10] <maps|wrk_> thats the rhyme they do at school :P
[01:10] <maps|wrk_> for little kids
[01:10] <maps|wrk_> heh
[06:50] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:52] <Myrtti> moin
[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[08:08] <MooDoo> hello diplo
[08:17] <knightwise> hey hey
[08:17] <MooDoo> hiya knightwise
[08:17] <MooDoo> why is so hard to get a copy of a LPIC book :( raaaaaa
[09:07] <jaime> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:07] <Myrtti> indeed?
[09:08] <DJones> Morning, happy Friday except for my wife who has to work all weekend
[09:08] <popey> Morning all.
[09:09] <bashrc> morning
[09:11] <MooDoo> morning alan bashrc
[09:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Common Courtesy Day! :-D
[09:38] <bashrc> common courtesy.  blimey
[09:39] <foobarry> must be why i got charged down by some woman getting off the entry doors of the bus today
[09:40] <foobarry> and why my wife got lambasted for giving her son a babycino (frothy milk) in starbucks
[09:40] <foobarry> "you're teaching him to drink coffee!!"
[09:40] <foobarry> other mums are weird.
[09:43] <awilkins> What the hell is wrong with drinking coffee anyway
[09:44] <awilkins> Clear health and productivity benefits
[09:44] <awilkins> Promotes a more vigorous global trade economy
[09:44] <awilkins> Gives hipsters something to do that isn't drinking vodka and being maudlin about their MacBook going to sleep
[09:50] <foobarry> my son is 4
[09:50] <foobarry> but he wasn't drinking coffee so i have no idea why the crazy lady was abusing my missis
[09:50] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:50] <foobarry> who also got abused by another mum because she looks after the kids full time :S
[09:55] <MooDoo> hello davmore :)
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanLord/posts/bMX4THk7g4P :-D
[10:18] <MooDoo> how cool is that
[11:19] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:22] <foobarry> morning
[11:22] <bashrc> morning
[11:35] <foobarry> does anyone know how to opt out of your medical records getting sent to 3rd party research?
[12:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: Morning dude
[12:33] <davmor2> popey: I love the head phones comment :)
[12:34] <popey> ☻
[12:34] <popey> foobarry: i thought that deadline had passed
[12:38] <daubers> Afternoon
[12:46] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[12:47] <bigcalm> Car is currently in the garage having a git of an overhaul :(
[12:48] <davmor2> git of an overhaul hey
[12:48] <bigcalm> Typo but apt
[12:48] <Laney> i'd prefer a bzr one
[12:48] <Laney> pimp my ride
[12:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: do they know what is up and have they given you a quote on a fix?
[12:49] <bigcalm> davmor2: it's in for a full service as well as investigation work.
[12:49] <bigcalm> davmor2: Most likely to be the ABS sensors
[12:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: let me know cause I think mine might have a similar issue but it only seems to kick in when it has been raining
[12:52] <bigcalm> davmor2: it went on for months and months, randomly appearing and disappearing. The last straw was the whole system going silly - turbo not being used, speed dial not working, console screaming STOP! at me, power steering not turning off after the ignition was
[12:52] <bigcalm> davmor2: I love my 407, but it's turned out to be expensive :(
[12:53] <davmor2> see fortunately I've not had any of those issues
[12:57] <bigcalm> You've not had your car as long and I'm unlucky I'd say
[13:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: :)
[13:01] <bigcalm> Apart from drowning, my 406 cars were much more robust
[13:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd say mine has been more reliable than my 406 but then we had issues galore with that, my 306 estate wass nice and just chugged along nice but cost a fortune :)
[13:09] <DJones> Don't know if this is of any interest to Android owners http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/128031-amazon-giving-away-apps-worth-40-to-kindle-fire-and-android-owners-includes-swype-and-runtastic
[13:09] <steffen> looool
[13:10] <steffen> Hey, I was wondering if anybody know when the next episode of Ubuntu Uk Podcast will be out?. Been a long time since the last one
[13:10] <popey> steffen: we're meeting up for curry soon
[13:10] <popey> starts again in April
[13:11] <steffen> popey: Ah, thanks a lot. Was starting to think something was wrong with my podcaster app :). Looking forward to April then !
[13:12] <popey> \o/
[13:12] <foobarry> popey: what a swindle. wasn't told anything about it
[13:12] <popey> I saw it all over twitter
[13:12] <popey> friends and celebs saying "last days to opt out"
[13:14] <foobarry> i only follow machines on twitter :S
[13:16] <foobarry> too late for me then
[13:17] <foobarry> why wasn't there a proper upcry about this stealthy sale of our data?
[13:31] <DJones> foobarry: There was, it was headline news for about 1-2 weeks before the project was postboned
[13:31] <foobarry> but the data already got sold?
[13:31] <foobarry> it shouldn't have to be on the news & twitter, they should write me a personal letter if they decide to opt me in
[13:32] <foobarry> i didn't see it on bbc news though
[13:32] <foobarry> read that most days
[13:32] <foobarry> in other news. have you all played http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1g84m0sXpnNCv84GpN2PLZG/the-hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-game-30th-anniversary-edition
[13:33] <DJones> foobarry: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-26239532
[13:35] <popey> http://games.usvsth3m.com/2048-doctor-who-edition/ is fun
[13:37] <foobarry> DJones: there isn't even an official form to opt out, and guarantee that the surgery will communicate your preference
[13:37] <foobarry> i suspect the data has already been collected
[14:09] <MooDoo> Any one use powerline ethernet?  I've just bought myself a starter kit.
[14:35] <dwatkins> MooDoo: I have a TP-Link pair of adapters, but my mains is bad somehow, and I only get 2 MBit/s out of them between rooms.
[14:35] <dwatkins> I assume there's interference.
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: could be bad type of cable
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: stranded wire is bad for powerline ethernet (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Stranded_lamp_wire.jpg)
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: solid is good: https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn.ecolightled.com/images/trouble/solid_lrg.jpg
[14:38] <dwatkins> I have them plugged directly into the wall, but it could indeed be the mains cables in the ring main, yeah.
[14:39] <MooDoo> dwatkins: I was going for the tplink but went with netgear in the end
[15:08] <Myrtti> http://rudradevbasak.github.io/16384_hex/
[16:18] <dwatkins> uh oh...
[16:36] <NET||abuse> hi folks, i'm on a network, and i can't resolve something the dns is meant to be resolving.. my /etc/resolv.conf just says nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>   searchdomain office.gb.ourcompany.net
[16:36] <NET||abuse> what is the real dns server my machine is currently looking at?
[16:44] <foobarry> do you have dns running on your pc?
[16:45] <foobarry> if not , you need an additional nameserver line
[16:45] <foobarry> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> for example
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> uh no
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> the <IP_ADDRESS> is pointing to dnsmasq
[16:47] <foobarry> ah, network manager does it now
[16:47] <foobarry> annoyingly
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> it won't on servers by default I think
[16:50] <diddledan> a resolv.conf used to be stored somewhere in /var but I can't find it in 14.04
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> that's because those used to use "resolvconf", now it uses dnsmasq? maybe?
[16:51] <foobarry> DNSMasq configuration is now done via DBUS.
[16:51] <foobarry> # See /var/log/syslog for the nameservers used.
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> yes
[16:51] <foobarry>  You can use files in /etc/NetworkManager/dnsmasq.d
[16:51] <foobarry> # to configure dnsmasq.
[16:51] <foobarry> superugly way to do it
[16:51] <diddledan> fugging dbus
[16:52] <diddledan> I hate that everything is moving away from the "unix way" of small tasks and plain-text config
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> blame lennart
[16:52] <diddledan> one binary per task!
[16:53] <diddledan> e.g. "ls" it has one purpose only and doesn't try to do random things like change permissions
[16:54] <diddledan> dbus makes everything really opaque to diagnose
[17:03] <awilkins> Should respect the "everything is a file" principle and make a virtual filesystem with the dconf in it
[17:04] <awilkins> Update config by opening files and saving them
[17:04] <awilkins> Hmm, sounds vaguely familiar....
[17:20] <mapps> afternoon
[17:24] <diddledan> morning
[17:26] <daftykins> howdy
[17:26] <daftykins> had to buy smart clothes today for upcoming events :O
[17:34] <mapps> interview daftykins?
[17:34] <daftykins> nah christening Sunday, then two weddings coming up
[17:37] <diddledan> meh everyone's getting married off except me
[17:37] <diddledan> :-p
[17:37] <daftykins> lol
[17:37] <daftykins> trust me i am in no danger of that fate
[17:38] <mapps> heh
[17:38] <mapps> weddings are pretty tiresome
[17:38] <mapps> i dont get invited to many..which i suppose isa good thing
[17:38] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:38] <daftykins> have to come up to England for one in June/July
[17:39] <daftykins> not a cheap time at all
[18:29] <directhex> one more test to run through, and i can begin ISO seeding
[18:31] <mapps> ISO seeding? what you trying directhex
[18:31] <daftykins> \o/
[18:32] <directhex> need to finally test dual-boot on RAID
[18:32] <directhex> i know booting from RAID works, but debian-installer is in *such bad shape* for dmraid
[18:32] <directhex> so i need to verify that it works
[18:33] <daftykins> not as simple as having the dmrad packages available in the live session for it to be ready to see volumes properly? :(
[18:33] <daftykins> *dmraid
[18:35] <mapps> never heard of iso seeding though
[18:35] <directhex> no. want the full technical breakdown?
[18:35] <daftykins> i think i'm ok :)
[18:36] <daftykins> mapps: he just means seeding a torrent containing a .ISO image
[18:39] <knightwise> eeeevenin everyone
[18:39] <knightwise> how are you guys doing tonight ?
[18:39] <diddledan>  allo knightwise
[18:39] <knightwise> hey diddledan
[18:39]  * knightwise needs to flash his nexus 7 back to android
[18:39] <knightwise> Ubuntu just isn't ready for prime time yett
[18:40] <daftykins> i am fine ty sir, yourself? good week?
[18:45] <mapps> is that it daftykins lol i knew what it meant in that context i thought we were talking linux stuff;p
[18:45] <mapps> thats why u didnt know what seeding iso mant
[18:45] <mapps> ah knightwise that sucks i was considering trying it..no point now?
[18:48] <daftykins> i'd imagine it's fine if you have a spare device you don't care about so much and like fiddling with something that's a WIP
[18:50] <mapps> yea
 http://www.ebuyer.com/497433-crucial-480gb-m500-2-5-6gbps-ssd-ct480m500ssd1
 £160 for real brand 480gb ssd
[18:52] <diddledan> not bad
[18:52] <diddledan> comparing to the competition anyway
[18:53] <diddledan> it sucks that flash is still so damned pricey
[18:53] <diddledan> I heard an opinion that flash won't ever get cheaper than spinning rust, more that spinning rust will increase in price until it's more expensive than flash (semantics, I know, but the net result is still higher prices overall)
[18:54] <daftykins> hrmm
[18:54] <daftykins> that's not a bad price
[18:54] <daftykins> but i don't think i need one XD
[18:54] <diddledan> I don't need one, but I want 4
[18:54] <diddledan> RAID!!
[18:54] <daftykins> iirc you're yet to go SSD?
[18:55] <directhex> diddledan, http://hexus.net/business/news/components/67745-ssds-enjoy-strong-growth-2014-thanks-falling-nand-price/
[18:55] <daftykins> hah that'd only be worthy on a fast hardware controller natively PCI-E
[18:59] <daftykins> hmm the crucial 480GB is £146.66 direct from them anywho
[18:59] <daftykins> at least, for however long left my retarded excuse for a government takes to introduce GST =|
[19:00] <diddledan> :-(
[19:00] <daftykins> diddledan: g'wan treat yourself! http://www.ebuyer.com/497417-crucial-120gb-m500-ssd-ct120m500ssd1
[19:01] <daftykins> ;)
[19:14] <directhex> i have a hell of a migraine, which doesn't help
[19:17] <daftykins> :(
[19:17] <daftykins> is wee-one to blame?
[19:18] <directhex> no, had it about 24 hours now
[19:18] <diddledan> I really need to figure out a way of remembering which device has which ip/hostname
[19:18] <directhex> working on steamos for you people is *killing me*!
[19:19] <diddledan> I guess I _could_ get a labelling machine
[19:20] <daftykins> diddledan: you never took pics for me ;_;
[19:20] <diddledan> oh yeah, pics
[19:21] <DJones> Must admit, I don't see the point in SSD's, oooh, look, I've reduced my boot time by 20 seconds.....ok,if 20 seconds is that important to you, what are you doing sat at a computer measuring boot times
[19:22] <daftykins> DJones: that's simply the most prevalent of comparisons, once you add up all the seconds here and there from application launches, to package installs, to any number of things - the question becomes "why wait?"
[19:22] <ali1234> it makes everything load faster too
[19:23] <daftykins> or "what is your time worth?" :)
[19:24] <directhex> DJones, let's say you're a webkit developer, and you bill your clients a thousand dollars a day. switching to SSD means you save literally days a month on compile times, making yourself a more competitive developer
[19:24] <directhex> or OOo or any huge code base
[19:25] <DJones> I always work on the "life's too short to worry" theory (thats as a user though, not a developer), as an accountant, I can see cost savings for them, but for general use, they seem a waste
[19:25] <daftykins> nah honestly once you've used one, it totally changes the computing experience
[19:25] <daftykins> especially if you're coming from old generation HDDs
[19:26] <directhex> yeah
[19:26] <directhex> wife's laptop with rust in it is painful
[19:27] <directhex> i only buy ssds for my engineers. we can save the purchase price of an ssd in a single day's build time savings
[19:27] <daftykins> :D
[19:27] <ali1234> i take it you are not building C++ code then
[19:36] <directhex> ali1234, why?
[19:36] <ali1234> because C++ compilation is typically CPU bound
[19:37] <ali1234> even putting it in a ram disk doesn't speed it up
[19:42] <diddledan> daftykins: here's my network switchen: https://plus.google.com/photos/+DanielLlewellynJNR/albums/5993328455648567025
[19:42] <diddledan> cablemess
[19:42] <diddledan> I really need to organise those cables
[19:45] <daftykins> :D
[19:45] <daftykins> you sir, could do with a large switch for Christmas
[19:45] <diddledan> oh thanks
[19:45] <diddledan> that's very kind of you
[19:45] <diddledan> :-p
[19:45] <daftykins> hahaha
[19:46] <daftykins> why so many Pi's yet only one in use 0o
[19:46] <diddledan> I haven't organised myself yet
[19:46] <diddledan> I've got another one in use elsewhere
[19:49] <diddledan> I took delivery of a load of ethernet cables for those today
[19:49] <diddledan> I'm unsure how to power them all though
[19:50] <diddledan> most multi-way usb thingies only do like 2 - 2.5 amps
[19:54] <daftykins> desktop PSUs seem to be used by most i've seen doing large Pi setups
[19:56] <mapps> im kinda with DJones i dont see the need for SSD for most normal users
[19:56] <daftykins> hrmm if i have a .bin file that's firmware for a router, is there anyway of viewing some header info within it?
[19:58] <mapps> i was gonna say a hex viewe but maybe not
[20:01] <directhex> argh. grub-installer failure. :/
[20:06] <daftykins> :<
[20:08] <directhex> so much logic in grub-installer is designed to make it ignore your settings & do its own thing
[20:08] <directhex> like...
[20:09] <directhex>        if [ "$(device_to_disk "$cdsrc")" = "$default_bootdev" ] || \
[20:09] <directhex>            ([ -n "$hdsrc" ] && [ "$(device_to_disk "$hdsrc")" = "$default_bootdev" ]) || \
[20:09] <directhex>            ([ "$default_bootdev" = '(hd0)' ] && \
[20:09] <directhex>             (([ -n "$cdfs" ] && [ "$cdfs" != "iso9660" ]) || \
[20:09] <directhex>              [ "$hybrid" = true ])) || \
[20:09] <directhex>            ([ "$default_bootdev" != '(hd0)' ] && \
[20:09] <directhex>             ! partmap "$default_bootdev" >/dev/null && \
[20:09] <directhex>             ! grub_probe -t fs -d "$default_bootdev" >/dev/null); then
[20:09] <directhex> that's one if statement
[20:11] <daftykins> :(
[20:12] <directhex> designed to replace your hard-coded grub-installer/bootdev value with $default_bootdev
[20:12] <DJones> I;m just wondering which bit of that caused the bot to go ballistic
[20:13] <DJones> Ah the ! lines
[20:15] <directhex> apparently bot is summoned by ^\s*! not ^!
[20:17] <mapps> lol i like the bot responding
[20:40] <directhex> who wants to help me with seeding Ye Olde SteamOS 5?
[20:41] <mapps> i can but my bandwidths not great=[
[20:42] <diddledan> directhex: lemme install a torrent client and I'll be with you
[20:44] <directhex> bigcalm, ping?
[20:44] <directhex> basically, if you want to help & can keep the new name a secret, ask daftykins for the torrent URL. need to go buy some dinner right now, will be back in ~30
[20:45] <mapps> so we're seeding it but want it to be a secret?
[20:45] <mapps> i can anyway but not sure i follow
[20:46] <daftykins> :)
[20:46] <diddledan> mapps: there's going to be a big reveal IIRC
[20:46] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[20:47] <diddledan> so we're seeding it to prepare for the big push I believe
[20:47] <daftykins> feel free to query me if any of you want to seed, i'm 53% into grabbing it from directhex so you'll be able to get ~1.7MB down from us both combined shortly
[20:48] <daftykins> in fact, in 4 mins
[20:48] <diddledan> that'ld be a useful feature for commercial use of torrents - being able to preseed a torrent node via a more usual protocol such as http
[20:51] <daftykins> so, any of you want to join in?
[20:51] <diddledan> yes please
[20:52] <daftykins> just this second finished :D excellent timing
[20:52] <mapps> ya
[20:52] <mapps> i will
[20:52] <mapps> what is this ye olde steamOS without sounding like a mug
[20:53] <daftykins> that was the *old* release of directhex's custom SteamOS respin which supported more things than Valve's official release did
[20:53] <daftykins> presuming you know of SteamOS already?
[20:55] <mapps> briefly yea
[20:55] <mapps> never tried it
[20:55] <daftykins> nor i
[20:55] <daftykins> i'm just happy to seed to help out (:
[20:55] <mapps> :)
[20:55] <daftykins> diddledan: you have a PM sir
[20:56] <daftykins> right i also need to nip to the shop
[20:56] <diddledan> roger that :-)
[20:57] <daftykins> popey: are you up for seeding sir?
[20:57] <popey> evening all
[20:57] <daftykins> heya
[20:58] <popey> sure
[20:59] <diddledan> allo popey
[21:00] <daftykins> hmm only 3Mb from me, some other things are active
[21:00] <daftykins> ho-hum :)
[21:00] <daftykins> ok shop \o
[21:02] <mapps> il start it in a bit here using all my tiny amount of bw atm :)
[21:03] <daftykins> ^_^
[21:03] <daftykins> roger that
[21:05] <bigcalm> daftykins: ping :)
[21:05] <mapps> pong
[21:05]  * bigcalm stops seeding the old torrent at a ratio of 104
[21:07] <mapps> seeding new one?
[21:07] <bigcalm> daftykins: want to msg me the torrent url?
[21:07] <bigcalm> +please
[21:08] <bigcalm> Oh, mapps. Can you msg me it?
[21:08] <bigcalm> I'm just about to step out myself. Would be good to get it going
[21:10] <mapps> ya
[21:10] <bigcalm> Thanks
[21:13] <directhex> i'll announce once the video tutorials are done. i have 1 of those left to make
[21:14] <Myrtti> popey: how was the shinding
[21:14] <directhex> also, my migraine has grown a sore throat. i'm thinking flu-like symptoms
[21:14] <Myrtti> did you go?
[21:17] <diddledan> bigcalm: still need the url?
[21:18] <diddledan> sekrit
[21:18] <diddledan> love that spelign
[21:19] <diddledan>  o_O I'm done already?
[21:19] <diddledan> I only started like a minute ago
[21:20] <mapps> i  gave it to him diddledan
[21:25] <popey> Myrtti: couldn't go
[21:25] <Myrtti> awwww
[21:25] <Myrtti> what a shame
[21:25] <Myrtti> dsample did.
[21:25] <popey> sophie was in a thing at school
[21:25] <popey> awww
[21:26] <Myrtti> was his birthday and all
[21:26] <Myrtti> aw man
[21:26] <Myrtti> which reminds me
[21:26] <Myrtti> I've weighed my bags but forgot to include the frozen rye bread
[21:37] <mapps> weighed for what
[21:56] <diddledan> I now have two nice hostnames : macigpixies and naughtyelves - now to think-up three more
[21:57] <diddledan> (for my pi)
[21:57] <directhex> angrygnomes
[21:57] <diddledan> good one
[21:57] <directhex> curiouselementals
[21:58]  * diddledan needs to write these down
[21:58] <directhex> nervoussylphs
[22:02] <shauno> brian.
[22:02] <diddledan> lol, musn't forget brian
[22:03] <shauno> I miss brian.  and fishtank.  they deserve memorials
[22:04] <Myrtti> mapps: travel
[22:06] <directhex> what's a good app to record from webcam?
[22:06] <diddledan> directhex: google hangouts
[22:06] <diddledan> :-p
[22:09] <popey> diddledan: vlc?
[22:09] <popey> sorry directhex ^
[22:10] <popey> or just a plain gstreamer pipeline :D
[22:10] <diddledan> there's far too many of us with names beginning with D in here that talk regularly
[22:13] <directhex> kamoso seems to work
[22:14] <mapps> UGH
[22:14] <mapps> RAINING again
[22:21] <daftykins> bigcalm: sorry got taken away for a bit, are you all set?
[22:22] <daftykins> ugh i keep using americanisms!
[22:22] <mapps> ya i gave him the link
[22:22] <mapps> ;)
[22:22] <diddledan> ditto
[22:22] <diddledan> :-p
[22:24] <daftykins> vewy gewd
[22:25] <daftykins> i see there's a Be user crawling along
[22:26] <diddledan> very slowly by the looks
[22:26] <diddledan> perhaps they're still on adsl
[22:27] <daftykins> D:
[22:34]  * popey rsyncs it to home for more seeding fun
[22:34] <daftykins> :D
[22:35] <diddledan> I've got it at home and in a datacentre in nottingham(?)
[22:35] <diddledan> I think it's nottingham, anywho
[22:35] <daftykins> i hear life isn't to great up there
[22:36] <diddledan> I'm proud to be a southerner :-p
[22:38] <daftykins> you're northern to me ;)
[22:38] <diddledan> in basingsokt?E
[22:38] <diddledan> aah
[22:38] <diddledan> yes
[22:38] <diddledan> I see
[22:38] <diddledan> ignore idiot me
[22:38] <daftykins> ;)
[22:38] <popey> boom, home machine online
[22:39] <popey> who is this slow person I'm sending 6K/s to?
[22:39] <diddledan> no idea
[22:39] <diddledan> I'm doing the same though
[22:40] <daftykins> high-highs of 12-14 here
[22:40] <diddledan> wow, just hit 40 here
[22:40] <daftykins> XD
[22:40] <diddledan> for an instant
[22:40] <diddledan> 86?
[22:41] <daftykins> it does seem somewhat odd
[22:59] <directhex> Windows Movie Maker /o\
[23:01] <daftykins> XD
[23:08] <popey> lol
[23:09] <diddledan> >.<
[23:09] <shauno> reminds me, seems the ethiopian alphabet has some high potential for emotes ;)  ጵ
[23:10] <daftykins> haha
[23:20]  * bigcalm returns
[23:20] <bigcalm> null
[23:23] <daftykins> XD
[23:24] <bigcalm> Goodness, getting activity on the torrent
[23:24] <bigcalm> Was it leaked?
[23:27] <popey> not much traffic here
[23:27] <popey> 3.2KB on one, 5.3K on the other
[23:27] <bigcalm> No traffic here, but a leecher at 24% appears to be connected
[23:29] <bigcalm> A bethere.co.uk user
[23:41] <directhex> :D
[23:42] <popey> and suddenly trafic
[23:42] <popey> directhex: posted to reddit?
[23:43] <directhex> popey, yes
[23:43] <daftykins> D:
[23:43] <directhex> in a few subrettits - games, linux_gaming, steam, steamos
[23:43] <bigcalm> Only 1 user her
[23:43] <bigcalm> e
[23:44] <bigcalm> Can we talk about the name now then?
[23:44] <directhex> yes!
[23:44] <directhex> embargo ended!
[23:44] <daftykins> it's kettle!
[23:44] <daftykins> \o/
[23:44] <bigcalm> It's an odd name
[23:44] <daftykins> i made it up
[23:44] <daftykins> :D
[23:45] <diddledan> freddibnah woulda been better :-p
[23:45] <diddledan> I jest
[23:45] <daftykins> XD
[23:45] <diddledan> nobody connected to me other than the bethere leacher
[23:45] <daftykins> my dad used to love watching his progs
[23:45] <diddledan> so did I
[23:45] <diddledan> he was awesome
[23:46] <daftykins> he/she is nearly done finally
[23:46] <directhex> transmission doesn't do rdns
[23:46] <popey> 300K/s here
[23:46] <directhex> the name is inspired
[23:46] <bigcalm> Why 93?
[23:47] <directhex> bigcalm, steamos now has an "update level" - when a set of new packages are pushed to the steamos repo, the steamos-updatelevel package is updated with it. so "features X are in updatelevel Y"
[23:47] <directhex> 93plus1 is the SR based on updatelevel 93
[23:47] <bigcalm> Ah, okay :)
[23:49] <bigcalm> Sleep time now
[23:49] <bigcalm> Toodles
[23:49] <diddledan> I need 3xSDHC cards
[23:49] <bigcalm> Hope it's a hit :)
[23:49] <diddledan> then I can have all 7 RPi's running :-p
[23:51] <diddledan> one of my Pi's is an onion router node and another is an NTPd running on a GPS-based clock. the other 5 are going to be for funtimes
[23:52] <diddledan> i.e. I don't know yet
[23:59] <diddledan> I've got a bulgarian now
[23:59] <diddledan> 41% done


[07:44] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I can test.
[07:48]  * OvenWerks is not sure how he missed that bug.
[15:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: You probably missed the bug because SRU bugs are always marked as "Fix Released" against the latest version, which is what Launchpad tracks, but "Fix Committed" against the version they wish to backport. That way it doesn't show up unless you do an advanced search in Launchpad for "Fix Released" bugs.
[15:35] <RikMills> yeah, that is very annoying
[18:26] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: so what is the version of the fixed package?
[18:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: It'
[18:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> ...
[18:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's still in focal-proposed since it hasn't gestated for a week yet. The version will be <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu0.2
[18:27] <OvenWerks> 1ubuntu0.2 I was running 1ubuntu0.1
[18:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes. That doesn't have the fix.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> .12.5 does though :)
[18:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes, but we can't SRU that. Too big of a diff.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> I know
[18:29] <OvenWerks> so if I remove and reinstall, in a few days I should see a new one show up.
[18:30]  * OvenWerks wonders why this has not been upstreamed to kernel
[18:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'll go ahead and mark the bug you filed as a dupe.
[18:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: considering this fixed... I am thinking that in adding this to -controls, we should modprobe from -controls at the time the user needs the loopback rather than at boot.
[18:34] <OvenWerks> After all, the loopback is not needed except when the camera or whatever is plugged in.
[18:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Except that it won't apply to audio-only. This is a video thing. So Fedora Jam would have to pull it in too, and video is beyond the scope of Fedora Jam.
[18:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> I highly recommend a new tool.
[18:36] <OvenWerks> we can modprobe for the first loopback and then use the control facility to add more loopbacks as required
[18:37] <OvenWerks> new tool or the ability to run without the video part
[18:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> That might be acceptable. It could just detect whether or not the required component is installed and disable the video section without.
[18:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> i.e. completely hide it.
[18:39] <OvenWerks> I was thinking using two *.glade files and only load one fr audio and the second if video is included.
[18:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep. Probably have it check to see whether or not v4l2loopback is installed.
[18:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> That can be a "suggested" package.
[18:41] <OvenWerks> so jam would not have obs?
[18:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> No. Jam does not have OBS nor will it. It's simply audio/music only.
[18:46] <OvenWerks> OK, I am guessing OBS makes good audio only podcast sw as well. now that idjc is gone... so it will likely get installed by soem people at least.
[18:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: in fact that is a great question. Is there any other podcast SW these days?
[18:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Maybe, but OBS's target is video streaming and recording.
[18:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Audacity is what most people are using for podcasting.
[18:48] <OvenWerks> Yuck! not for live podcast for sure
[18:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> PodPublish is something I just ran across for encoding and publishing.
[18:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> (it's a snap)
[18:48] <OvenWerks> Ardour would be better than audacity for live
[18:50] <OvenWerks> idjc was better though. I ran the stream server and provided the controls needed. It is OBS in audio only format
[18:50] <OvenWerks> (with better audio controls)
[18:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right. Let me think about this.
[18:52] <OvenWerks> there is an idjc fork with py3
[18:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> OBS Studio isn't even available in Fedora.
[18:53] <OvenWerks> https://github.com/radiocicletta/idjc-x
[18:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I remember trying to package that and couldn't get it to work right.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also, last commit was nearly 4 years ago, so likely abandoned.
[18:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> To be completely honest, though, I might have to stop working on Fedora. Something else has come up which is going to take a ton more time.
[18:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> (I'll probably announce it via -devel)
[18:58] <OvenWerks> interesting, the sourceforge page for idjc says last update 2020-06-07
[18:58] <OvenWerks> last release seems to be 2017
[18:59] <OvenWerks> it says ported to gtk3
[19:00] <OvenWerks> as of 2020-05-05
[19:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. The problem was python, not gtk.
[19:01] <OvenWerks> there is a python3 branch
[19:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's incomplete.
[19:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> I need an actual release before the AAs will accept it now that it's removed.
[19:01] <OvenWerks> yeah but work is being done.
[19:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Indeed. Will be nice to see if they do a release.
 remind me the url to the software you need me to reup eickmeyer
 assuming i do so in the next 30 minutes :P
[19:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: lp:agordejo
[19:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: https://sourceforge.net/p/idjc/discussion/458834/thread/4ae2280e7a/?limit=25#8254
[20:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think I had read that before or another thread with similar.
[20:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. Seems as though the dev is strapped for time.
[20:14] <OvenWerks> however there has been more work in this direction than for about the last three years
[20:15] <OvenWerks> The author will either have to completely let go or fix this issue going forward
[20:16] <OvenWerks> If he abandons the SW, I expect a fork will show up
[20:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Probably. He hasn't been very responsive, unfortunately.
[20:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hmm...
[20:21]  * Eickmeyer[m] sees studiobot being a bot.
 check
[20:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Perfect.
 Eickmeyer: do you just need the source package for musescore replaced or something in Ubuntu and autosync cancelled out?O
 that'd still need AA work I think
[21:57] <RikMills> Plasma 5.20 should all be landed :)
 @Eickmeyer [@teward001 Did you reupload agordejo?], @Eickmeyer is there a needs-packging bug for agordejo?
[22:37] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: re: idjc, it seems both the upstream and idjc-x have a broken/not yet updated build script that is still looking for pygtk-2.0 while the actual files do not use it. considering any time I have tried to use autobuild on my own projects I have failed... I probably won't fix this.
[22:52] <OvenWerks> I did hack configure to concider pygtk found and it does compile just fine.
[22:52] <OvenWerks> however when I run it, I get a python error: import mutagen
[22:52] <OvenWerks> ImportError: No module named mutagen
[22:53] <OvenWerks> sure enough, there is a package called python3-mutagen that is not installed... I install it but the same error seems to persist
[22:54] <OvenWerks> So I guess this is as far as the to python3 has gone... mind this is not the python3 branch
[22:56] <OvenWerks> idjc-x can have the same hack applied to configure successfully but fails to build even, probably with things that have been fixed in the main repo since (bad ffmpeg lib calls)
 @OvenWerks [<OvenWerks> I did hack configure to concider pygtk found and it does compile jus …], There isn't, but it hasn't been a problem too much. Do you really *need* one?
 Oops...
 @teward001 [Eickmeyer: do you just need the source package for musescore replaced or somethi …], No, that wasn't my report.
 That was Thorsten of the Debian Multimedia Team not knowing how to get the attention to get a package removed, and me correcting it.
 @teward001 [@Eickmeyer is there a needs-packging bug for agordejo?], No, but we haven't needed those for the past few doezen packages we've done. Do we really need one?
[23:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, I've had noting but bad luck with either when I tried for 20.04, which is why I dropped it altogether. It's just bitrot and failure to upgrade to Python3 in a timely manner (>10 years).
[23:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Playing catch-up with software is just not good.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> DisplayCAL is in a similar situation, but in that case the dev hasn't lifted a finger or shown any sign of life, so now the most recent version only works on Windows and Mac.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> And it was released almost a year ago.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Really sucks for photographers trying to reproduce colors accurately.
[23:19] <OvenWerks> yeah
[23:21] <OvenWerks> in the case of idjc, the big sw that uses it is at least 4 years behind (16.04 based?) they ship the whole ISO
[23:22] <OvenWerks> python2 was still a thing back then
[23:23] <OvenWerks> for most people, so long as python2 was still shipped and looked to be shipped for a while, why change?
[23:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, just like anything, there will come an end when a newer version is released.
[23:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's just common sense.