[07:23] <node357> okay enzyme, I will try it.. I just wish I could rely on apt to keep things updated instead of having to compile every time the kernel is updated
[07:23] <Deathvalley122> zhaozhou: this happens when I put in a cd then eject it
[07:23] <zhaozhou> !ask | slurp
[07:23] <Ford> Deathvalley122, it may probably be a kernel issue, try to recompile it
[07:23] <slurp> ok
[07:23] <roffe_> madman1, I mean the scroll wheel, when you press it like a button it gave a scroll-function
[07:23] <zhaozhou> Deathvalley122: ahh.
[07:23] <node357> Maybe it's a bug DaveyAM, and if it is I'm really sorry.
[07:23] <voraistos> ok, just encountered a bug in ff
[07:23] <DaveyAM> what i can do?
[07:23] <eagles0513875> Deathvalley122: ask in ubuntu-kernel they might be fixing it for the next minor patch update
[07:23] <Deathvalley122> how can I recompile a kernel?
[07:23] <Bragex9> Jeffhmb, ooops.. where on the keyboard is the letter before "grep" located? I think I have to get a normal keyboard to get through this. I am onlu using this one: http://phonenext.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/logitech-dinovo-mini-keyboard.jpg
[07:23] <voraistos> oh no. I just updated xul, didnt restart, stupid me :P
[07:23] <zhaozhou> Deathvalley122: do you get the error if you do "eject" instead?
[07:24] <slurp> i have a problem with a wireless card PCI, i don't found the driver
[07:24] <DaveyAM> synaptic haven't one conf file?
[07:24] <slurp> the model is http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WLG-1101
[07:24] <node357> DaveyAM, I'll look.
[07:24] <IndyGunFreak> slurp: whats the chipset on the card?
[07:24] <pvn> is there any one knows about supervisor client/server system that allows its users to monitor and control a number of processes on UNIX-like operating systems.
[07:24] <DaveyAM> i dont know :S
[07:24] <madman1> roffe_: ok i see what you mean now, have you found anything under system, prefrences, mouse?
[07:24] <Deathvalley122> it ejects it then it floods me with log errors zhaozhou
[07:24] <madman1> im on a laptop and have no scroll wheel
[07:24] <enzyme> node357: check out the ubuntu forums. There's a post on how to convert to OSSv4.1 and disable Pulseaudio and ALSA. OSSv4.1 is the repositories so you don't have to compile anything.
[07:24] <slurp> IndyGunFreak i don't know the chipset
[07:25] <pvn> supervisor client/server system that allows its users to monitor and control a number of processes on UNIX-like operating systems.
[07:25] <zhaozhou> Deathvalley122: Is the device still 'mount'ed when you eject it?
[07:25] <node357> Oh great enzyme, thanks!
[07:25] <socks4anon> is OSS 4.1 better?
[07:25] <bazhang> slurp, check it with lspci in the terminal
[07:25] <slurp> ok
[07:25] <[V]ortex`> how do i get rhythmbox to auto detect songs on other drives so that i don't have to keep loading them at startup?
[07:25] <slurp> !paste
[07:25] <jgornick> Can anyone make some recommendations for a good web cam with mic for Ubuntu/Skype?
[07:25] <Boohbah> socks4anon:
[07:25] <node357> sorry DaveyAM .. I don't see any setting for proxy in any of the apt configuration files :(
[07:26] <zedster> I get no audio, zip nada. If i do aplay I get no sound card found
[07:26] <Deathvalley122> no I have mount it zhaozhou
[07:26] <IndyGunFreak> bazhang: will a pccard show up in lspci?
[07:26] <Boohbah> socks4anon: http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html
[07:26] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, it's the "pipe" symbol -- a vertical bar.
[07:26] <Deathvalley122> to**
[07:26] <wooly> lstarnes: i'm not quite sure I know which file is the key file. I tried using unwrapped-passphrase and Private.sig, both of which were in the /var/lib/ecryptfs directory. Both return the error [-20] Not a directory
[07:26] <slurp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/305694/
[07:26] <roffe_> madman1, i didn't find anything of interest in there
[07:26] <zhaozhou> Deathvalley122: if you umount sr0 then eject it, do you get the errors?
[07:26] <bazhang> IndyGunFreak, a pci card? thought that is what he said
[07:26] <slurp> i paste the response
[07:26] <Boohbah> enzyme: also, have you read this? http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html
[07:26] <DaveyAM> soo where synaptic save configs ? :(
[07:26] <Deathvalley122> no
[07:26] <bazhang> slurp, looking now
[07:26] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, don't worry about it. Just try "dpkg -l nvidia-*" in the terminal and visually look for the kernel-source package.
[07:26] <enzyme> socks4anon: OSSv4.1 does have advantages. For me, the quality of sound is much better on my system. By default I can adjust the volumn on different programs without the need for something like pulseaudio.
[07:26] <lstarnes> wooly: what full command are you trying?
[07:26] <maxjizzy> jgornick, microsoft webcam maby? it works out for me..
[07:26] <slurp> bazhang do you see it?
[07:26] <Deathvalley122> only happens when it's mounted
[07:26] <voraistos> Deathvalley122 then I guess its a gnomeVFS bug
[07:27] <enzyme> Boohbah: Yes, I have. Interesting read.
[07:27] <slurp> thank bazhang
[07:27] <Bragex9> jeffhmb, ok
[07:27] <node357> Gah, searching for OSS or OpenSound in Synaptic didn't help too much.
[07:27] <zhaozhou> Deathvalley122: so, when you eject it via the button, is it still mounted?
[07:27] <voraistos> Deathvalley, tried updating gnom-vfs or something ?
[07:27] <DaveyAM> because iam not using proxy settings now.. T_T how i can reconfigure that in console? :(
[07:27] <Boohbah> enzyme: good to hear OSSv4 is in ubuntu repo's. i may have to try it out
[07:27] <madman1> roffe_: sorry if i was on my desktop machine i could help you better
[07:27] <socks4anon> plus you dont get that where certain games dont play audio and virtualbox sux and mic's dont work through flash?
[07:27] <lstarnes> DaveyAM: it might be in /etc/apt somewhere
[07:27] <socks4anon> some of the issues with pulseaudio drive me nuts
[07:27] <GJLenon> Evening
[07:27] <Deathvalley122> no it get unmounted but I have mounted it when I put in a cd
[07:27] <zhaozhou> evening. :)
[07:28] <DaveyAM> how i can configure the network settings for all system in console?
 thnx for the link
[07:28] <zhaozhou> Deathvalley122: i'm not following.
[07:28] <obiwan_> 2
[07:28] <Deathvalley122> okay
[07:28] <obiwan_> ups xd
[07:28] <voraistos> zhaozhou: ejecting via the button when still mounted should normally fail, unless something like gnome-vfs is running
[07:28] <wooly> lstarnes: well i couldnt figure out how to mount the usb key where I backed up /var/lib ecryptfs to so I rebooted in the livecd which also couldnt see the home directory then mount -t ecryptfs /dev/sda6 /mnt/home -o KEYFILE=/media/disk/ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[07:28] <DaveyAM> because i configure it in graphic mode but not work for synaptic :S
[07:28] <Xcell> my new screensaver:  http://abstract.desktopnexus.com/get/64687
[07:28] <GJLenon> I'm having an issue, was hoping for advice. :)  I'm running 9.04 64 bit, and want to upgrade.  All my buddies run 32-bit and swear that it's superior.  Are they wrong?
[07:28] <Deathvalley122> it gets unmounted ejected but when I put in a disc it won't mount it so I have to mount it
[07:28] <zhaozhou> voraistos: no idea what gnome-vfs is, but yes, it should fail. I'm thinking it ejects anyway, and tries to read the cd when it isn't there
[07:28] <obiwan_> 1
[07:29] <Deathvalley122> when***
[07:29] <lstarnes> wooly: keyfile should be lowercase, I think
[07:29] <wooly> lstarnes then it prompts for passphrase, asks what kind of encryption (aes, etc), 16 bit, 32, etc then a bunch of others and I Just select the default and get -20 error
[07:29] <obiwan_> sry :(
[07:29] <node357> Um, purging pulseaudio removes ubuntu-desktop.
[07:29] <Deathvalley122> sorry bad grammar
[07:29] <wooly> lstarnes oh lol you told me KEYFILE ;)
[07:29] <wooly> brb
[07:29] <lstarnes> wooly: what other files do you have?
[07:29] <lonejack> I'm thinking to upgrade 9.04 to 9.10. I would like to see what packets are inserted on 9.01 repository. How can I see it by internet? Thank you
[07:29] <enzyme> node357: Don't remove that yet. Here, I'll try and find the article on how to convert .. don't do anything yet
[07:29] <IndyGunFreak> node357: thats just a metapackage, it doesn't actually uninstall the desktop
[07:29] <metaphlex> so i figure this is important for linux in general due to copyright issues: will games be able to be played using HTML5 without flash, and will flash games be able to be played using HTML5? Cause then linuc could do away with flash entirely
[07:30] <node357> okay enzyme, thanks
[07:30] <Deathvalley122> zhaozhou: I have reported a bug about it but haven't gotten a response back
[07:30] <node357> IndyGunFreak, I tried to purge pulseaudio in 9.04.. it really did remove gnome and everything.
[07:30] <voraistos> Deathvalley: cheap redneck solution, transform the dvd player into a powerful laser, and get your stuff exclusively from TPB and apt :P
[07:30] <lstarnes> metaphlex: flash games still need flasg
[07:30] <lstarnes> *flash
[07:30] <enzyme> node357: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenSound try that.. and i'll find some more
[07:30] <IndyGunFreak> node... hmm, i'd have to see that to believe it.. if you pay attention, "ubuntu-desktop" gets removed a lot during uninstalls.
[07:31] <wooly> lstarnes: still [-20] Not a directory
[07:31] <Deathvalley122> voraistos: I would if I had a app do that with lol
[07:31] <node357> enzyme, that's what I was just following... I think it's pretty dated. I would write new documentation if I could get this system working right.
[07:31] <lstarnes> wooly: you need a directory, I think
[07:31] <lstarnes> wooly: is /mnt/home a directory?
[07:31] <wooly> i created /mnt/home
[07:31] <zhaozhou> Deathvalley122: yes, but, is the cd still mounted after it's been ejected via the button?
[07:31] <jeffhmb> GJLenon, 64bit apps will use more memory, but they can also be faster. 32bit might be "easier" since you might have a hard time finding 64bit proprietary plugins for certain apps.
[07:31] <[V]ortex`> how do i get rhythmbox to auto detect songs on other drives so that i don't have to keep loading them at startup?
[07:31] <node357> IndyGunFreak, when enzyme finds the article, I'll purge pulseaudio and let you know if I still have a de lol
[07:31] <voraistos> Deathvalley122 did it stop working after upgrade, or is this a fresh install or what?
[07:31] <Deathvalley122> no zhaozhou
[07:32] <mayki> i got a question here, should be easy, but i have a mind cramp for some reason (probably because am stuck on a windows machine atm)
[07:32] <slurp> bazhang: nothing?
[07:32] <GJLenon> Lonejack:  Try http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/ and see if that is what you are looking for.
[07:32] <Deathvalley122> this is a fresh new install voraistos
[07:32] <lstarnes> wooly: actually, I think the keyfile is supposed to be a .pem
[07:32] <lonejack> GJLenon: okay, thx
[07:32] <Bragex9> jeffhmb... i am about to give up. My keyboard does not even have a *...Is there another way to find out?
[07:32] <Deathvalley122> and it did it on a upgrade too voraistos
[07:32] <bazhang> slurp, still checking
[07:32] <wooly> lstarnes i dont think I have a .pem file but i'll check
[07:33] <IndyGunFreak> node357: roger.. :)
[07:33] <jgornick> Curious, does anyone have this webcam?
[07:33] <jgornick> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105219
[07:33] <slurp> ok thx
[07:33] <IndyGunFreak> bazhang: everything i saw for that card, was for hoary and breezy..
[07:33] <GJLenon> Jeffhmb:  Since I'm only running 2g RAM, are the two going to run at equal speed?  I read that 64-bit excels by allowing programs to use in excess of 3g RAM.
[07:33] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, Fn-P seems to be a * .
[07:33] <lstarnes> wooly: it might be something different
[07:33] <marcelcohrs> i cant access my mysql with my account error 1045 access denied for user marcel
[07:33] <IndyGunFreak> looks like a pretty old card
[07:33] <zedster> "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon" issue with my sound, anyone know this one?
[07:33] <metaphlex> lstarnes, i was having an argument with a friend that we won't be able to kill flash cause of online games
[07:33] <marcelcohrs> can anybody help?
[07:34] <maxjizzy> jgornick, i have a similair
[07:34] <deviant> hi nice see you still alive
[07:34] <Bragex9> jeffhmb... nope it's an \
[07:34] <jtmoney> i set the date/time/weather applet to display weather, but it's not updating... anyone else experiencing this?
[07:34] <jgornick> maxjizzy, And with Ubuntu and Skype, seems to work OK?
[07:34] <wooly> lstarnes there doesnt appear to be anything in there that would be a key besides unwrapped-passphrase and Private.sig
[07:34] <marcelcohrs> yo
[07:34] <Deathvalley122> so what should I do in this situation zhaozhou?
[07:34] <metaphlex> he's a mac fan and brought up something about how adobe created something where flash games can easily be converted to run on the iphone as an example of how we would get past that, but it doesn't seem likely to me
[07:34] <maxjizzy> jgornick, yes offc
[07:34] <marcelcohrs> i cant access my mysql with my account error 1045 access denied for user marcel, PLEASE
[07:34] <aaron116> Hello does anyone know how to config a ZTE AC8700 modem. Its a USB modem and I've tried wvdial before but it said that /dev/ttyUSB0 doesn't exist! Im working on Jaunty and want to jump on top of a Koala ;) but there is no internet for me!
[07:35] <jeffhmb> GJLenon, I don't have a simple answer for you. Your life is likely to be easier with 32bit if you only have 2G of RAM and have no plans to go to 4 or more?
[07:35] <GJLenon> metaphlex:  By nature, flash runs on your system, only using the Internet to send small packets back and forth, as opposed to playing a server based game.  Are you purposefully trying to crash Flash or what?
[07:35] <wooly> lstarnes not sure how I was supposed to know what files to backup...I guess I just hoped I would be able to put in the right username and pass and it'd work :\
[07:35] <node357> Okay, ubuntu-desktop is gone. Haha. brb
[07:35] <Deathvalley122> I never had this problem on Jaunty it's mostly a bug or a kernel issue either one ...
[07:35] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, you'
[07:35] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, you're still in a text window, right?
[07:35] <voraistos> Deathvalley122 I suggest your try force-reinstalling gnome-vfs and related files. Normally that lib (gnomvfsDrive) is what handles that stuff, and it seems to be broken, possibly absent
[07:35] <Bragex9> yes
[07:36] <node357> IndyGunFreak, you were right, and I was paranoid.
[07:36] <Bragex9> jeffhmb, yes still in text window
[07:36] <IndyGunFreak> node357: i wasn't gonna tell you so, but yeah, i knew i was right.. :)
[07:36] <node357> enzyme, I'm giong to follow the rest of that page, thanks much.
[07:36] <bazhang> slurp, what (if anything ) does sudo modprobe sk98lin   return
[07:36] <node357> :D
[07:36] <lstarnes> wooly: you could try http://www.kaijanmaki.net/blog/2009/10/26/recovering-files-from-ecryptfs-encrypted-home/
[07:36] <voraistos> DeathValley: I also suggest reinstalling metapackages such as "gnome" or ubuntu-desktop
[07:36] <maxjizzy> aaron116, got a usbstick?
[07:36] <metaphlex> GJLenon, no, i'm just ignorant to a degree about HTML 5. If everyone still needs a flash plugin to play all of the millions of online games, how could html5 "kill" flash?
[07:36] <Deathvalley122> how do I install that voraistos?
[07:36] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, ok, run aptitude.
[07:37] <daf_> Can anyone tell me if there is a later mini.iso of karmic the one I found is Oct 17th.
[07:37] <node357> Would that cause a problem on an upgrade though, having no ubuntu-desktop?
[07:37] <Threetimes> Hi, I can't connect myn phone, or a cardreader (USB). syslog says http://pastebin.com/d5d53d81b
[07:37] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, after it loads, hit / (slash key) and then type kernel-source in the search box.
[07:37] <wooly> lstarnes: looking, thanks
[07:37] <Bragex9> jeffhmb, ok brb
[07:37] <mayki> file comparison: http://paste.ubuntu.com/305698/
[07:38] <lstarnes> metaphlex: html 5 has support for many elements that html 4 lacked, but that alone likely isn't enough.  Improvements in javascript would be needed in conjunction with html 5 to replace things like flash
[07:38] <alexander_> Hey guys, I'm using Ubuntu 8.0.4 LTS and I'm trying to upgrade to kubuntu 9.01, I d/l and burnt the install DVD but it refuses to read it upon startup. I have my DVD drive set before my HDD in boot order, anyone know something I'm missing??
[07:38] <slurp> bazhang, FATAL: Module sk98lin not found.
[07:38] <voraistos> Deathvalley122: reinstalling gnome or ubuntu-desktop will a: require working internet and b: take a good amount of time.
[07:39] <tjboudreaux> hey guys, I'm having a small problem.  I can connect to my server via ssh remotely, but when I'm logged into the server itself, if i try to ssh into the server itself, i.e ssh localhost or ssh <IP_ADDRESS> (my public ip) I get a long time of waiting and then a connection refused message.
[07:39] <voraistos> and it might not even work
[07:39] <tjboudreaux> Any suggestions?
[07:39] <node357> Oops. there is no asound.conf. Now I have no sound support at all.
[07:39] <bazhang> alexander_, 9.10? check the md5 sum and do the disk integrity check after burning very slowly?
[07:39] <maxjizzy> alexander if you mount the cd in ubnutu 8.04 is it readable?
[07:39] <metaphlex> lstarnes, thanks. hopefully this was somewhat relevant to linux given that it is a copyright issue.
[07:39] <Deathvalley122> voraistos: I already did a fresh format on my pc for karmic it didn't work
[07:39] <bazhang> slurp, this is the Marvell Pci-e card?
[07:39] <voraistos> damn
[07:39] <enzyme> node357: http://www.harshj.com/2009/05/16/get-rid-of-all-pulseaudio-problems-use-oss/#more-603
[07:40] <GJLenon> metaphlex:  My understanding is that HTML 5 is being pushed by Microsoft to create an "industry standard" to control plug-ins.  An easy way to think about this is to compare it to DirectX.  Before DirectX there were many platforms, but DirectX was implimented and through added versatility and added benefits pushed all others out of the market until DirectX virtually controls all dynamic media.  Whether this is superior or not is up for debate.
[07:40] <lstarnes> metaphlex: I do not see how that is related to copyright
[07:40] <slurp> i don't know tha model is this http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WLG-1101
[07:40] <node357> Thank you enzyme ..  I might have to start over since I went ahead after you asked me to wait, but I will try this.
[07:40] <chris062689> What are some ggood wireless ethernet cards (on newegg?) that provide good compatablility, and are cheap?
[07:40] <lstarnes> metaphlex: it might be related to the fact that html 5 and javascript are open standards with open implementations, while flash is largely closed
[07:40] <alexander_> maxjizzy: actually.. it isn't. K3B said sucessful burn with no errors :S thats odd
[07:40] <RPG_Master> How should I go about importing my entire .Evolution folder on a fresh install?
[07:40] <voraistos> GJLenon: come on, DirectX is the only good thing Microsoft ever produced
[07:41] <maxjizzy> alexander that's your problem then
[07:41] <metaphlex> lstarnes, flash is a proprietary format that we must install in linux to enable full use of the internet, while html5 may replace that with open standards
[07:41] <RPG_Master> When I start Evolution it goes into the whole start up dialog :/
[07:41] <alexander_> bazhang: yeah, its kubuntu 9.10-dvd-i386.iso
[07:41] <alexander_> bazhang: my bad, i always mix version numbers up :S fingers go faster than brain sometimes
[07:41] <Deathvalley122> voraistos: I don't think the developers know about this and that's 1 and 2 I don't know if anybody else is having this issue
[07:41] <maxjizzy> alexander probably burning to fast
[07:41] <Madpilot> RPG_Master, did you do an export from your old evolution install? not everything is in .evolution
[07:41] <slurp> bazhang, the model is this http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WLG-1101
[07:41] <metaphlex> lstarnes, yeah, sorry didn't read that in time
[07:42] <Bragex9> jeffhmb, nothing happens after typing kernel-source in the search box...
[07:42] <bazhang> alexander_, then corrupt iso (md5 it) or bad burn
[07:42] <voraistos> Deathvalley122: apparently there already are bug reports on the issue
[07:42] <Threetimes> Hi, I can't connect myn phone, or a cardreader (USB). syslog says http://pastebin.com/d5d53d81b
[07:42] <RPG_Master> MadGirl: Actually, I backed up my entire Home folder :P
[07:42] <RPG_Master> .files and alll
[07:42] <bazhang> slurp, yep checking now
[07:42] <RPG_Master> *all
[07:42] <alexander_> bazhang: MD5 100% match
[07:42] <alexander_> I'll try again, slower. See what happends hopefully it will work :) thanks guys
[07:42] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, OK, then go for this: sudo apt-get install nvidia-185-kernel-source
[07:42] <Deathvalley122> hmm any fixes voraistos?
[07:42] <foo> 20
[07:43] <slurp> tnx bazhang
[07:43] <socks4anon> where is the writeup on replace the sound system in jaunty with oss 4.1
[07:43] <socks4anon> sounds like the way to go
[07:43] <voraistos> deathvalley122: just hang around the bugtracker, make sure this goes through, give any info required, until the thing gets "critical" and is corrected. then all you have to do is update, or apply offered fix
[07:43] <metaphlex> GJLenon, i thought microsoft was apprehensive about html5... also i don't want to add confusion to this chatroom, if this conversation is too off-topic is there a better channel someone may suggest?
[07:43] <maxjizzy> alexander_ try unetbootin if you want to save some cd's
[07:43] <GJLenon> voraistos:  I contest that any product which controls the entire market is bad.  Competition is what creates excellence.  Look at US airports.  Without healthy competition, the standards have gone down hill.  While I agree that DirectX has done some amazing things, at some point it will begin to stagnate variable media.  Look at all the advances in console gaming.  When was the last time you saw a TRULY innovative PC game?
[07:43] <node357> socks4anon, http://www.harshj.com/2009/05/16/get-rid-of-all-pulseaudio-problems-use-oss/#more-603
[07:43] <schmukkk2_> I'm getting stuck in initramfs
[07:44] <socks4anon> ty
[07:44] <schmukkk2_> mount /dev/loop //rootfs.squahfs
[07:44] <schmukkk2_> invalid argument
[07:44] <GJLenon> metaphlex:  Microsoft is the only company involved in the HTML 5 effort that is both a browser developer and an RIA tool developer.  They are apprehensive about it, but still supporting it.
[07:44] <[V]ortex`> how do i get rhythmbox to auto detect songs on other drives so that i don't have to keep loading them at startup?
[07:44] <schmukkk2_> *//filesystem.squashfs
[07:44] <Bragex9> jeffhmb....well now it worked with the search box. It says bcmwl-kernel-source
[07:44] <nurettin> hello i am using mythtv
[07:44] <GJLenon> Hello nurettin.
[07:44] <bazhang> slurp, couple of questions; have you had this card work before, and if so, how did you do so--the forums threads indicate a need for ndiswrapper, which means the last resort for getting that card going
[07:45] <socks4anon> allright gonna try this
[07:45] <nurettin> i have got two tv card
[07:45] <nurettin> one analog the other one digital
[07:45] <voraistos> GJLenon: PC games suck because their devs have no imagination. DirectX is superior to their only true competition, openGl-based, what-we-use-on-linux SDL and SDL sucks, even on linux. Things like UT run better on wine that they do with SDL linux binaries :O
[07:45] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, but no nvidia, right? If so, then try the install command I sent before
[07:46] <Bragex9> jeffhmb, ok. I will try that
[07:46] <maxjizzy> nurettin, cool, do you got alot of satelite channels to watch?
[07:46] <slurp> this is the first time that i use it. yes i read about ndiswrapper but i don't have the cd driver and don't find the drive on the net
[07:46] <node357> voraistos, doesn't SDL render with OpenGL?
[07:46] <voraistos> yes
[07:46] <slurp> bazhang, this is the first time that i use it. yes i read about ndiswrapper but i don't have the cd driver and don't find the drive on the net
[07:47] <Threetimes> Hi, I can't connect myn phone, or a cardreader (USB). syslog says http://pastebin.com/d5d53d81b
[07:47] <voraistos> node357: openGL is dealt with by mesagl on linux
[07:47] <bazhang> slurp, presumably this is an older computer without builtin wireless; its not well supported in linux (ie the need for ndiswrapper)
[07:47] <bus2525> hi bazhang
[07:48] <GJLenon> voraistos:  I'm thinking about the 80's and 90's, with games back then.  Sierra was a master at pushing out games of quality, but so were a myriad of other companies.  These days there are only three or four major PC game manufacturers.  There are dozens for console games.  You cannot tell me this has nothing to do with DirectX and it's insane licensing policies.
[07:48] <bazhang> !ot
[07:49] <node357> GJLenon, I think it might also have something to do with how easy it is to make and distribute unauthorized copies of PC games.
[07:49] <slurp> bazhang, oh yes i undestand, but without driver it not work
[07:49] <bus2525> thank my bazhang
[07:49] <GJLenon> node357:  True, it's a complex issue.
[07:50] <bazhang> please take the licensing chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:50] <RPG_Master> Can I make an Evolution archive manually? (like, without actually using Evolution?
[07:50] <voraistos> GJLenon: then they can use something else! But non-one is interested. DirectX offered higher  everything, and it's supported by a big company. Remember that the company that created OpenGL went bust. I'm not even sure who's in charge of it nowadays.
[07:50] <GJLenon> Apologies, I'll keep it on-topic.
[07:50] <jfbeghin> Hi,I try to upgrade my Ubuntu version 9.04 but I have an error with "ubuntu minimal" cannot be found. Can you help me ?
[07:51] <GJLenon> Anyone know if it is possible to upgrade from 9.04 64-bit to 9.10 32-bit?
[07:51] <voraistos> GJLenon: There was also another 3D standard deveopped by 3dfx. While I loved these cards, Many games didn't work with them
[07:51] <RPG_Master> So, any help with Evolution?
[07:51] <voraistos> GJLenon: with a bit of hacking that should be possible
[07:51] <GJLenon> Ugh.  My hacking skills are very limited.
[07:51] <nikitis> 3dfx was the smoothest
[07:51] <node357> Gah, I almost pasted a bunch of terminal commands into the chat window. btw, Empathy not supporting IRC kinda sucks.
[07:52] <nikitis> OpenGL is way better actually than directx
[07:52] <qq99> Empathy kinda sucks in general
[07:52] <voraistos> GJLenon: the thing is you have to make sure absolutely everything has to be replaced, so good luck. Even config files would need changing for it to work
[07:52] <enzyme> nikitis: mmmmmmm..... that's a harsh debate....
[07:52] <node357> I'm following this article on how to setup OSS, and I get permission denied trying to write to a conf file, even with sudo.
[07:53] <enzyme> node357: sudo su
[07:53] <GJLenon> Maybe I should just do a fresh install.  Could I just save my /home directory to keep all my personal data?
[07:53] <nikitis> Game developers just design in dx cause they don't think they can sell large volumes of games with open source
[07:53] <node357> crazy. so much for sudo, lol. Thanks enzyme
[07:53] <nikitis> They go were the money is
[07:53] <Flannel> node357: What command are you trying?
[07:53] <nikitis> But if you co
[07:53] <DigitalKiwi> nikitis: also dx is easier to use than the alternatives >.>
[07:54] <node357> If I ever get my act together, I want to push to make Ubuntu the best for games.
[07:54] <Hajuu> Hey guys i'm having some problems with my ubuntu virtual machines (vm's)
[07:54] <node357> Flannel, sudo cat /lib/linux-sound-base/noALSA.modprobe.conf >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[07:54] <Hajuu> er sorry, let me type this out in entirety.
[07:54] <nikitis> Pare detailed screenshots of the two OpenGL can render better quality
[07:54] <node357> "permission denied"
[07:54] <enzyme> node357: You mean GNU/Linux :)
[07:54] <Flannel> node357: cat /lib/whatever | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[07:54] <nikitis> But not by much
[07:54] <RPG_Master> nvm :P
[07:54] <Flannel> node357: That's the proper command (you don't need to sudo the cat, you want to sudo the write)
[07:54] <jgb> what is the reason for not having a .jigdo for ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386 ?
[07:55] <Flannel> jgb: jigdo doesn't make sense for desktop CDs
[07:55] <node357> Thanks Flannel. I was just copying and pasting from this article, but I see it's wrong now.
[07:55] <theadmin> jgb: Meh, we have torrents, it's enough
[07:55] <Hajuu> Hey guys i'm having some problems with my ubuntu virtual machines (vm's), mainly to do with networking. Sometimes it seems very difficult to get my VM's working with the internet, but they used to work perfectly. The vm's themselves havent been modified, although obviously over time the copy of ubuntu has been modified.
[07:55] <Hajuu> So from this I deduce it's an ubuntu problem.
[07:55] <voraistos> GJLenon: shouldn't be a problem. Just get rid of all the config files/dirs in the /home dir though
[07:55] <enzyme> Hajuu: Which Virtual Machine software are you using?
[07:55] <jgb> Flannel: can I install the same system with the alternate cd as with the desktop one?
[07:55] <Flannel> jgb: There's like a dozen small packages on the desktop CD, the bulk of it is the casper image
[07:55] <Hajuu> Basically it connects to the ethernet connection fine, but I cannot access the internet
[07:55] <Flannel> jgb: You can, yes.
[07:56] <Bragex9> Jeffhmb, I don't understand this. I only get to a black screen prompting for desktop login...
[07:56] <Hajuu> it even seems to resolve domains (it resolves googles ip but I cant ping it)
[07:56] <node357> enzyme, I do want new and old games to work on all of GNU/Linux, but since Ubuntu seems to be really popular, I'd probably focus on it. I feel like pulseaudio is a step in the wrong direction for game support.
[07:56] <slurp> bazhang, can you help me to find the driver? i don't find it
[07:56] <Flannel> theadmin: Please don't be so dismissive
[07:56] <jgb> Flannel: thanx.
[07:56] <theadmin> Sorry, Flannel.
[07:56] <Hajuu> enzyme: I'm using vmware um, 5 I think
[07:56] <node357> People like Arch Linux and Slackware don't push pulseaudio, so I find them better for games...
[07:56] <bazhang> slurp, not found one yet
[07:56] <Hajuu> Oh, vmware 6
[07:56] <Hajuu> workstation
[07:56] <jgb> theadmin: jigdo is better for locally hosted mirrors...
[07:56] <jeffhmb> Bragex9, I wish I could help you; I think you're pretty close at this point.
[07:57] <voraistos> nikitis: it's got nothing to do with opensource
[07:57] <jeffhmb> I gotta go to bed, though.
[07:57] <enzyme> Hajuu: try changing the networking in VMware to either Bridged or Hosted NIC.
[07:57] <GJLenon> voraistos:  Sorry to be ignorant, but how will I know if it is conflicting?
[07:57] <Bragex9> jeffhmb, thanks anyway! I will play around and see what happens
[07:57] <voraistos> nikitis DirectX is a complete platform, OpenGL is only the equivalent of Direct3D. then you've got DirectSound, etc...
[07:58] <slurp> ah, mmm, ok tnx bazhang, i buy a new wireless card eheh :)
[07:58] <node357> God, this whole article is full of mistakes.
[07:58] <Hajuu> OH! thanks for the hint enzyme, it wasnt a problem with that but with the interface it was automatically selecting to use for the internet
[07:58] <tend> I tried to upgrade a laptop Acer 5612 AWLMi from Ubuntu 8.04 to 9.10 and I took: General error mounting filesystems. root@tasos-laptop:~#what can i do to have my last system!
[07:58] <bazhang> voraistos, please take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:58] <Hajuu> Manually set it now, lets give this a try!
[07:58] <voraistos> GJLenon: it probably will. I'm sure your config isn't irreplaceable, just keep your Music, movies and stuff, remove the rest
[07:58] <jgb> Flannel: how is the squashfs for desktop iso's generated?
[07:58] <Jesi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8202661#post8202661 <-- input needed for potential tut video
[07:59] <GJLenon> voraistos:  Bleh, ok.
[07:59] <node357> I feel like I'm entering programs into my TI-99 from a book, configuring sound this way.
[07:59] <GJLenon> Ooh, maybe I'll upload all that stuff to the new ubuntu One!
[07:59] <voraistos> GJLenon: It's just that I have no idea how the installer will handle it.
[07:59] <Flannel> jgb: I'm not up on the details, but I imagine you can read all about it on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[07:59] <jgb> thx
[07:59] <[V]ortex`> how do i get rhythmbox to auto detect songs on other drives so that i don't have to keep loading them at startup?
[07:59] <GJLenon> voraistos:  Ok.  Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.
[08:00] <voraistos> GJLenon: also keep in mind the default for 9.10 is ext4. I don't know what it is you've got now
[08:00] <enzyme> node357: Yeah, it's a bit unorthadox on Ubuntu, but once you get it it works great.
[08:00] <GJLenon> voraistos:  I dunno.  I'll probably reformat the drive anyway.
[08:00] <telive> nick
[08:00] <voraistos> lol OK :P
[08:00] <telive> nick
[08:00] <blinkiz> Tried a couple of days ago to get a key from keyserver.ubuntu.com but it did not work. Same thing today. Is the keyserver down?
[08:01] <Hajuu> Ok now i'm really not seeing why i'm unable to say, ping google.
[08:01] <savior02> wow i got locked out of my box by going to the command line
[08:01] <node357> I sure hope so, enzyme .. I was really looking for a "just works" OS, but hopefully this is the only major tinkering I have to do. brb
[08:01] <GJLenon> Is there a way to save all the message rules and passwords for Evolution though?  Took me a while to get it to remove the thousand or so spam a day I get.
[08:01] <Madpilot> blinkiz, a lot of the ubuntu servers are slow - release is hammering them, so keyserver might be affected
[08:01] <Hajuu> I have a valid network connection on my ubuntu vm, which I can ping from my windows host through the router (non-directly), but the ubuntu machine cant ping google, yet it resolves its ip.
[08:01] <telive> hello
[08:02] <blinkiz> Madpilot, ok
[08:02] <enzyme> Hajuu, by chance, are you using Windows 7?
[08:02] <voraistos> Madpilot: This is a bug. Ubuntu servers should have no problems serving Ubuntu :D
[08:02] <hkuieagle> hello,telive
[08:02] <Hajuu> No, XP
[08:02] <enzyme> Do you have your firewall enabled?
[08:02] <Hajuu> Although I will be upgrading to windows 7 and vmware 6.5 soon
[08:02] <telive> hi hk
[08:02] <Hajuu> Nah and like I say, it was all working
[08:03] <Madpilot> voraistos, heh. It gets a bit busy around release time, as you might have noticed :)
[08:03] <SingAlong_> whats the command to start the terminal? I want to add the shortcut to the terminal to the panel.
[08:03] <enzyme> Hajuu, have you tried VirtualBox?
[08:03] <Hajuu> sometimes id have to disable and reenable the connection in my vm in order to reconnect it, mainly if I restored from a suspend
[08:03] <Hajuu> I'm a software developer
[08:03] <Hajuu> so VMWare offers some very nice features
[08:03] <karmic_police> has anyone uninstalled evolution successfully without it breaking gnome?
[08:04] <voraistos> Madpilot: actually I was installing a few packages earlier on, I had full speed (Ok, from a mirror but still....)
[08:04] <almoxarife> Hajuu: the ubuntu is the vm on windows?
[08:04] <Hajuu> Yeah, XP
[08:04] <node357> NOTE! You are using trial version of Open Sound System
[08:04] <theadmin> man, it got so noisy here after Karmic was released -_-
[08:04] <G_A_C> SingAlong_: gnome-terminal
[08:04] <karmic_police> i uninstalled evolution and when i rebooted all i had was a terminal window
[08:04] <Madpilot> voraistos, nice. I've gotten in the habit of torrenting the Alternate CD and upgrading from that, almost always faster than doing a full upgrade from the servers on release day
[08:04] <almoxarife> Hajuu: xp is firewalled?
[08:04] <Hajuu> you probably removed parts of gnome MadGirl
[08:05] <Hajuu> er Madpilot
[08:05] <SingAlong_> G_A_C: I'm running xfce. the xfce terminal seems a bit pretty.
[08:05] <enzyme> node357: uhh, that doesn't sound right. OSSv4 is open source.
[08:05] <Hajuu> almoxarife: Nah it was working before, but now its not
[08:05] <Madpilot> Hajuu, huh? was that for karmic_police?
[08:05] <Hajuu> Thus why I dont understand
[08:05] <GJLenon> Anyone else notice increased download speeds in 9.04?  I run a very nice internet connection and I can "drain" it with ubuntu.  D/L speeds of 300k+  High enough that no one else on the network can do anything on the net.
[08:05] <karmic_police> i used synaptics and checked anything associated with evolution
[08:05] <Hajuu> lol sorry
[08:05] <Hajuu> it was
[08:05] <node357> karmic_police, looks like you can uninstall evolution without problem.
[08:05] <Hajuu> Meh it would be associated with gnome
[08:05] <Hajuu> not with evolution
[08:06] <node357> enzyme.. I duno.. I installed the .deb from the OSS web site mentioned in the article you showed me.
[08:06] <enzyme> ehhhh, I should have looked it over.. brb.. I'll check it out
[08:06] <voraistos> Madpilot: I never ever upgrade. I usually temper too much with the system for it to work smoothly. I just keep the home partition :P
[08:06] <G_A_C> SingAlong_: my mistake, I thought you were running Ubuntu with GNOME, I don't know what the xfce terminal is called :)
[08:06] <node357> Ugh. Now I don't have a sound mixer.
[08:06] <node357> Okay enzyme, thanks.
[08:06] <SingAlong_> G_A_C: thanks anyway. got it. xfce4-terminal
[08:06] <enzyme> node, yeah you do, it's ossxmix
[08:06] <enzyme> if it's installed with that deb
[08:07] <enzyme> ...
[08:07] <node357> enzyme, does it run only in text mode? that's what i have riight now.
[08:07] <karmic_police> i searched in synaptics and uninstalled evolution associated packages.. unless they were also associated with gnome also
[08:07] <Madpilot> voraistos, I've fallen into the habit of upgrading for two or three releases, then doing a clean install (separate /home partition FTW)
[08:07] <enzyme> node, no, ossxmix is gui, ossmix is cli
[08:07] <almoxarife> has the sound applet issue been resolved when alsa is the default sound system?
[08:07] <karmic_police> i'm a linux noob so bear with me.. had it exactly a month now
[08:07] <Hajuu> hah now its back working again random as ever
[08:07] <node357> Ah got it. Thanks enzyme.
[08:07] <Hajuu> I think it just takes some time for some reason
[08:07] <Hajuu> :/
[08:08] <raven_> hi.... i just did the upgrade to karmic and now have huge problems with hardware and software
[08:08] <node357> What the heck!!  I've got an intel card and my system as it was 2 or 3 days ago was unbearable. It's actually harder to use Ubuntu with custom kernel/X/OtherStuff than to run something like Gentoo.
[08:09] <tim> Totem gives me the following error message when i try to play a video from youtube "GStreamer encountered a general supporting library error"
[08:09] <karmic_police> i'll never go back to windows
[08:09] <raven_> node357, is the error with your notebook?
[08:10] <node357> Looks like I HAVE to go back to Windows.
[08:10] <karmic_police> why?
[08:10] <node357> No raven_, I am using a desktop computer with a SB X-Fi sound card.
[08:10] <fahadsadah> !sound | node357
[08:10] <Madpilot> voraistos, ya, I know intel graphics cards hated 9.04
[08:10] <fahadsadah> Did you try all of those?
[08:10] <raven_> fahadsadah, in my case there is NO device i could select
[08:11] <karmic_police> youtube problem... you running 64bit?
[08:11] <node357> Yes fahadsadah, I tried changing the device in the gnome mixer, and changing, um-muting levels in alsamixer.
[08:11] <voraistos> Madpilot: The fact that it made it to release (in ubuntu but in Debian too :O )was unbelievable
[08:11] <jfbeghin> DDo you know if the server be.archive.ubuntu.com have a problem ?
[08:11] <karmic_police> tim are you running 32 or 64?
[08:11] <maxjay> yeah, finally i got it working!
[08:11] <fahadsadah> node357: Try sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp
[08:11] <GJLenon> ubuntu One in conflict for anyone else?
[08:12] <rafiq> wen i uninstalled older version of firefox from multiple versions installed, firefox shows a black rectangle instead of its icon..anyone knows hw to fix it.?
[08:12] <node357> Argh!! that hurt, fahadsadah
[08:12] <fahadsadah> Sorry...
[08:12] <fahadsadah> Ctrl+C to stop
[08:12] <mjbrooks> bwahahaha
[08:12] <voraistos> GJLenon: One servers have some sort of bug related to the previous client or something, that's why we can't use it
[08:12] <node357> lol, that's okay. Sound output is fine, line-in does not work .. works on Windows, though.
[08:12] <karmic_police> the sound is much better in 9.10 than 9.04
[08:12] <raven_> WHY an upgrade everytime sucks with ubuntu like that - WHY
[08:12] <fahadsadah> We have OSS, don't have ALSA.
[08:13] <GJLenon> voraistos:  Ahh, ok.   Thanks again for the help. :)
[08:13] <jfbeghin> when I try to ping it, i receive no response
[08:13] <fahadsadah> node357: Wait.   I'm super psyched!
[08:13] <node357> Yes fahadsadah
[08:13] <karmic_police> i wouldn;t upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 ext3 and ext4 won't get along
[08:13] <karmic_police> fresh install is best
[08:13]  * Dr_Willis wonders how 2 filesystems 'conflict' :)
[08:14] <SwedeMike> so... karmic on lenovo x200 laptop, by default I get audio/video desync of .5 second or so both with pulseaudio and alsa, known problem? google doesn't seem to find much previously written
[08:14] <node357> I heard fresh install defaults to EXT4, and that EXT4 can corrupt large files... not very good for a new user.
[08:14] <voraistos> Is it not possible to mount ext3 as ext4 or something? Like ext2/ext3 ?
[08:14] <sugoruyo> fresh installs are always the best
[08:14] <IndyGunFreak> karmic_police: i wondered how that would go for people upgrading.. i clean installed myself
[08:14] <rgnr> hey all
[08:14] <rgnr> ppl
[08:14] <rgnr> who did the upgrade?
[08:14] <DigitalKiwi> ext3 can be converted to ext4 easily it's just the extra features don't go on existing files
[08:14] <node357> I was all hyped for new Ubuntu, now I'm very depressed.
[08:14] <DigitalKiwi> that and I still don't trust ext4
[08:14] <rafiq> wen i uninstalled older version of firefox from multiple versions installed, firefox shows a black rectangle instead of its icon..anyone know hw to fix it.?
[08:15] <karmic_police> i read forums before upgrading.. i have all my data on separate hdd so i do frequent fresh installs
[08:15] <voraistos> node357: large files are over a TB. We don't see those very often
[08:15] <raven_> rgnr, i did and nothing works any more
[08:15] <rgnr> i have ext4 and i'm not satisfied
[08:15] <IndyGunFreak> DigitalKiwi: i didn't either, but honestly, its been fine for me for about a month...
[08:15] <IndyGunFreak> karmic_police: sounds like me and you have similar setups.
[08:15] <karmic_police> i hear large files can be lost in ext4.. hope they fix that pronto.. lol
[08:15] <mehdi2> anybody knows about font changes in Karmic ? I prefer Jaunty fonts...
[08:15]  * DigitalKiwi sighs at the ex windows users who think they need to reinstall linux all the time :(
[08:15] <rgnr> raven_: they say to enable community support
[08:16] <karmic_police> i have 500gb of music i would rather not lose :P
[08:16] <node357> DigitalKiwi, I can't even install once and get a working system, much less over and over.
[08:16] <rafiq> wen i uninstalled older version of firefox from multiple versions installed, firefox shows a black rectangle instead of its icon..anyone know hw to fix it.?
[08:16] <IndyGunFreak> DigitalKiwi: i dont do frequent reinstalls, i just don't upgrade my OS's, i always clean install, so its easier to keep my data on another partition, and when a new release comes out, i just install it over th eold one
[08:16] <zeltak1> hi guys..i remember a while ago i saw an applet/prog that changed the taskbar into "icons" ala win7..cant find it now..anyone knows anything 'bout that?
[08:16] <voraistos> karmic_police: It's not lost, it's all over bittorrent :D
[08:16] <karmic_police> well, i used to do frequent installs.. when i had windoze. lol
[08:16] <node357> Anyone know why the line-in won't work on my SB X-Fi sound card?
[08:16]  * DigitalKiwi just uses rolling release OSes and then doesn't ever have to reinstall muwahaha
[08:17] <IndyGunFreak> !awn | zeltak1
[08:17] <MrAlexandro> anyone who know a channel where i can get help with portable apps?
[08:17] <ArtVandalae> Is there any way I can tell which programs I've installed *after* the base Ubuntu desktop install?
[08:17] <karmic_police> i know.. i just have everything categorized.. took a lifetime to collect..lol
[08:17] <joaopinto> zeltak1, you mean a dock system ? ala Mac, not Windows :)
[08:17] <rafiq> wen i uninstalled older version of firefox from multiple versions installed, firefox shows a black rectangle instead of its icon..anyone know hw to fix it.?
[08:17] <MaxJizzy> how do i check if i have 3D support?
[08:17] <tim> karmic_police, 64 bit karmic
[08:17] <DarK``> where do I set the time the grub bootloader is shown? It used to be in /boot/grub/menu.lst but that file doesnt exist anymore in 9.10 ?
[08:17] <joaopinto> ArtVandalae, you could list all the installed apps with dpkg -l
[08:18] <IndyGunFreak> MaxJizzy: sys/pref/appearance/visual effects, and set it to extra... if it goes w/o error, you should be ok
[08:18] <lstarnes> DarK``: it might be grub.conf
[08:18] <almoxarife> rafiq: delete it if its on the tool bar
[08:18] <joaopinto> those which are not include on ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-desktop are post install
[08:18] <node357> God, I'm gonna break this computer. Nothing works!
[08:18] <ionut> MaxJizzy:  you have nvidia or ati
[08:18] <IndyGunFreak> node357: what now?
[08:18] <joaopinto> !grub2 | DarK``
[08:18] <DarK``> lstarnes: there is a file /boot/grub/grub.cfg but it doesnt set a time-variable as far as Ican tell...
[08:18]  * IndyGunFreak hates grub2
[08:18] <zeltak1> nah IndyGunFreak  and joaopinto i mean a taskbar with icons instead of long boxes with app names..like win7 and tint2 (in crucnhbang)
[08:18] <DigitalKiwi> wah ubuntu actually switched to that beta stuff, haha
[08:19] <voraistos> He broke his computer out of frustration with windows, and now complains it doesn't work anymore, even with *nixes :D
[08:19] <node357> The sound card, the line input doesn't work with ALAS or OSS.. it works in Windows, so I know it's not broken.
[08:19] <karmic_police> tim. try this for your youtube prob.   sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-* --purge             then         sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:19] <IndyGunFreak> zeltak1: only thing i'm aware of, even remotely like that, is avant window manager.
[08:19] <DarK``> ubottu: okay, thanks :)
[08:19] <joaopinto> zeltak1, i have no idea what are you talking about :)
[08:19] <karmic_police> that worked for me
[08:19] <sugoruyo> hey I've a quick question: do ATI cards work with 3D and video on karmic?
[08:19] <dopple> hey could someone tell me how to create a md5 hash from a specified file?
[08:19] <node357> voraistos, I really want to get away from Windows, but every time I try GNU/Linux something doesn't work, and I can never find a solution to the problem.
[08:19] <tim> karmic_police, i installed the 64 bit alpha from adobe
[08:19] <jimbeam12> hey all
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> !md5
[08:19] <joaopinto> sugoruyo, as long as they are supported by ATI yes, older card modesl, do not
[08:19] <Snicksie> node357, does your sound card work with pulse-audio?
[08:19] <DigitalKiwi> sugoruyo: that depends, on what card and how you define works
[08:20] <MaxJizzy> IndyGunFreak, it say, searching for temporary drivers, and then desktop effects could not be enabled.
[08:20] <node357> Snicksie, yes, except for line-in.
[08:20] <dopple> thanks Dr_Willis
[08:20] <jimbeam12> could anyone help me with this message........"Could not update ICEauthority file "
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> MaxJizzy: so you don't have 3D
[08:20] <karmic_police> does the alpha work? i have read that it is problematic
[08:20] <DigitalKiwi> there is a factoid on a bot I love "!ati" returns "Get nvidiai!"
[08:20] <zeltak1> IndyGunFreak: joaopinto: look at this screen: http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8528/screenshot020.png
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> MaxJizzy: what graphics device do you have
[08:20] <DigitalKiwi> s/nvidiai/nvidia/
[08:20] <MaxJizzy> IndyGunFreak, i did have 3D in 8.04
[08:20] <voraistos> node357: I can't say, My sound cards always worked fine :) The only problem I ever had was with broadcom wireless, and it works pretty well now.
[08:20] <node357> :(
[08:20] <IndyGunFreak> MaxJizzy: well, what version are you using now?
[08:21] <Snicksie> node357, perhaps you can try to install pavucontrol and perhaps that will work to get it working?
[08:21] <joaopinto> zeltak1, like we said, that's a dock
[08:21] <zeltak1> its a taskbar with "icons" instead of the normal tasks as long boxes
[08:21] <Psinetic> IndyGunFreak:
[08:21] <MaxJizzy> IndyGunFreak,  intel 830 M i think
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: ?
[08:21] <Psinetic> didn't work..
[08:21] <joaopinto> zeltak1, and it's a Mac OS X concept, not windows one
[08:21] <MaxJizzy> IndyGunFreak, 9.10
[08:21] <Psinetic> >_>
[08:21] <zeltak1> nah its not LOL..look at the tine2 project http://code.google.com/p/tint2/
[08:21] <dupondje> can somebody try to print from an flashplayer application (like a flash page with print button on a site) ? Does it see any printers ?
[08:21] <zeltak1> i just wondered if gnome panel had that
[08:21] <joaopinto> zelfje, search for "dock" on the softwate center
[08:21] <rgnr> anyways ppl, is 9.10 worth to upgrade to?
[08:21] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: i think your hard drive is hard bread
[08:21] <joaopinto> zelfje, yes it is
[08:21] <voraistos> node357: and that's with years and years of use, with many different machines
[08:21] <Searcher6> nah
[08:22] <joaopinto> ops, zeltak1
[08:22] <karmic_police> don't upgrade unless u absolutely have to.. do a fresh install
[08:22] <ipatel> hey guys...
[08:22] <karmic_police> and yes its miles ahead of 9.04
[08:22] <sugoruyo> I like gnome do best for a dock and launcher
[08:22] <ipatel> anyone know how i can boot into single user mode using Karmic#
[08:22] <ipatel> GRUB2
[08:22] <Psinetic> IndyGunFreak: i'm going to see if maybe wiping the partition with a windows cd will do the trick. i honestly don't understand how upgrading an operating system can totally screw a harddrive. i mean really?
[08:23] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: well, it really sounds like a hardware problem... see if you can get the drive to format..
[08:23] <SwedeMike> so far I've seen two problems with 9.10, it wont handle crypted volumes properly at startup (doesnt handle the waiting for passphrase correctly), and 0.5s a/v desync in mplayer/vlc
[08:23] <node357> X is forgetting the text I copy >:(
[08:23] <G_A_C> does anyone here with Intel Mobile graphics (the GM45) have really poor Flash performance? I had it in Jaunty but assumed that was down to the known Intel problems in Jaunty, but it's still bad in Karmic :( I'm using 64bit Flash from the Flash PPA on Launchpad, but I've also tried gnash and swfdec-mozilla which crashed most of the time and still had poor performance
[08:23] <Psinetic> yeah....this is just totally screwed up...omg
[08:23] <karmic_police> ext3 upgraded to ext4 may be trouble
[08:23] <voraistos> joaopinto: it's not a mac concept, it's a CDE (Unix) concept.
[08:23] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: lol, i bet you never quit an upgrade in the middle ever again...lol
[08:24] <SwedeMike> G_A_C: I have GM45, what should I try?
[08:24] <raven_> what's this please "GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
[08:24] <raven_> You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics" there is NO ENTRY like that
[08:24] <joaopinto> voraistos, whatever :P
[08:24] <node357> pavucontrol says "connection refused"
[08:24] <Lartza_> HI, Would tehre be a way to easily customize the ubuntu cd while I am on ARch Linux?
[08:24] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: but that might explain why the upgrade froze, if the hard drive took a dump
[08:24] <Psinetic> lol i bet if it does this again i'm gonna buy a mac....for serious, this is starting to piss me off
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> raven_:  thats the old way.. tne new way was using FDI files.. but im not sure how to do it in 9.10
[08:24] <G_A_C> SwedeMike: just playing things like Youtube videos, I get single numbers of frames per second, and low ones at that, it renders maybe 3 frames per second
[08:24] <Psinetic> yeah...that would explain it
[08:24] <Lartza_> I know you can use Reconstructor while on ubuntu, but on another distro?
[08:24] <karmic_police> my a/v are fine in vlc
[08:25]  * Psinetic throws something inexpensive against the wall....>_>
[08:25] <SwedeMike> G_A_C: I dont have that problem with my lenovo x200 anyway, but I'm running 32bit
[08:25] <karmic_police> sudo apt-get install libdvdread4                                         sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[08:25] <joaopinto> Lartza_, this is for ubuntu support, not other distro, and I don't think recunstrcutor works with karmic
[08:25] <node357> lol, I duno where to direct my anger. Ubuntu site makes it look like the perfect alternative to Windows, til you use it.
[08:25] <Lartza_> Ohh :S
[08:25] <ionut> can i install sketchup (of google) in ubuntu 9.10  ?
[08:25] <dabukalam> how can i find out what domain/realm my computer is in from a terminal. I can't connect to the samba share without it, and workgroup ain't working
[08:26] <Psinetic> if windows fixes my hard drive then maybe i won't hate it as much....
[08:26] <IndyGunFreak> node357: its a very good alternative, but you have to learn how to use it, and you have to understand, not all hardware manufacturers co-operate by making linux drivers, so Linux developers have to figure otu a way to make things work
[08:26] <IndyGunFreak> this is a developer problem, nto a linux issue
[08:26] <G_A_C> SwedeMike: thanks, I think that might be my problem; I run AMD64 as I was hoping to upgrade the RAM in my laptop to 4 gigs down the line, but 64bit Flash is pretty bad. Maybe I should look into either reinstalling it as 32bit, or IIRC there's a way of running a 32bit firefox on a 64bit system, which would let me run the 32 bit stable Flash plugin rather than the 64bit alpha
[08:26] <IndyGunFreak> *hardware developer, that is
[08:26] <lao5> s
[08:26] <MaxJizzy> Psinetic, try format with windows, install windows, download the iso fresh from a torrent, then download unetbootin and browse the iso. set it to mount from hardrive and not usb. then you are ready for a fast new install of ubuntu. do parition on your disk with windows installation. like 4 gb's of windows partition and rest to linux, leave the rest unformated.
[08:26] <Psinetic> has anyone else experienced this problem? i just want to make sure IndyGunFreak that this wasn't actually caused by the installer for karmic.
[08:27] <ionut> can i install sketchup (of google) in ubuntu 9.10  ?
[08:27] <ionut> can i install sketchup (of google) in ubuntu 9.10  ?
[08:27] <node357> The ALSA drivers in Slackware work, but I don't want to spend my entire life compiling source code for everrything.. I don't understand why a 2-day old release of Ubuntu could not provide the same support for this sound card...
[08:27] <SwedeMike> ionut: don't do that.
[08:27] <ionut> sorry , but i am in a hurry
[08:27] <MaxJizzy> Psinetic, and then leave the iso for a safety, if anything fails you just load the windows bootloader and run live cd
[08:27] <Psinetic> MaxJizzy: you miss the point...i cna't boot any of my partitions with the live cd. i won't install windows, there's nothing wrong with the live cd at all. somehow the hard drive got jacked in the middle of my upgrade
[08:27] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: its very unlikely.. its been a logn time since software caused hardware failures.. if it did.. then the drive was probably close to toast anyways
[08:27] <SwedeMike> ionut: you're being rude.
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> ionut:  you did check google for an answer if you are in a real hurry?
[08:28] <karmic_police> 9.10 in netbook reads false positive for faulty hdd
[08:28] <MaxJizzy> Psinetic, i have had that prob
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> ionut:  i see mentiuon of it working in wine
[08:28] <ionut> i so that
[08:28] <ionut> but without wine, i can't install it ?
[08:28] <Pricey> ionut: sketchup lists Linux as an "Unsupported Environment". That took 10 seconds on a google search. As Dr_Willis mentioned however, there's success with wine.
[08:28] <Psinetic> MaxJizzy: and this is how you had to fix it? was by wiping the partition with windows cd?
[08:28] <MaxJizzy> windows format do the trick, it's always nice to have a windows beside the ubuntu, it's like jing and jang. good and bad. god and satan.. so on.
[08:28] <raven_> Dr_Willis, what is necessary to restart after updating the preferences.fdi?
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> ionut:  its a windows app.... so yes wine would be needed
[08:28] <node357> And the disk utility says my brand new SATA drive has " a few bad sectors"
[08:29] <MaxJizzy> Psinetic, yepp
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> raven_:  i would imagine so.. or at least restart X
[08:29] <Pricey> Dr_Willis: It works on osx too.
[08:29] <ionut> ok,thx to all
[08:29] <loris> hello
[08:29] <Psinetic> MaxJizzy: what caused the problem to begin with, you know?
[08:29] <raven_> Dr_Willis, do you also know what i could do to enable the internal soundcard?
[08:29] <MaxJizzy> Psinetic, ubuntu installation
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> Pricey:  like i am ever going to care about OS-X :)
[08:29] <MaxJizzy> from a bad source.
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> raven_:  No idea.
[08:29] <MaxJizzy> corrupt cd, and hardware.
[08:29] <MaxJizzy> cd installations is bad, mkey?
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> http://wiki.winehq.org/GoogleSketchup
[08:30] <IndyGunFreak> MaxJizzy: i'm actually leaning towards hardware problem.... he has a 9.04 CD that he knows is good, because he's used it before, and gets to the partition stage, and freezes
[08:30] <ipatel> guys.. single user mode in KArmic? anyone know? plz help
[08:30] <Pricey> IndyGunFreak: MaxJizzy: Why trust hte past, you can run an integrity check before booting from it?
[08:30] <Psinetic> MaxJizzy: then do you think we might want to let the upper level guys know they need to find a way to fix this if it ever happens again?
[08:30] <IndyGunFreak> i think he was jst unlucky that the drive took a dump during the upgrade
[08:30] <MaxJizzy> Pricey, but my hardware problem is my cd reader
[08:30] <IndyGunFreak> Pricey: he said he did
[08:31] <node357> Anyone know how to enable line-in on SB X-Fi sound card?
[08:31] <MaxJizzy> and it did screw up my hard disk
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> I like how i can get 9.10 booting from the ISO File on a pen drive via Grub2 :)
[08:31] <MaxJizzy> gpardet did not able to format
[08:31] <MaxJizzy> but windows did
[08:31] <MaxJizzy> my laptop is 10 years old
[08:31] <n3o> ubuntu-fr
[08:31] <node357> No one replied on Ubuntu fourms either. This sucks.
[08:32] <MaxJizzy> and still running well. without a working cd
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> node357:  the x-fi has a history of bad linux support sadly.
[08:32] <node357> Dr_Willis, I've been able to use it on every distro except Ubuntu.
[08:32] <Psinetic> IndyGunFreak: MaxJizzy: so what can we do to solve this problem for everyone else?
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> node357:  play with the mixer i guess. or install the other alsa-mixers and twiddle with the mixers then
[08:33] <lizzzy> Anyone know what do I do for a "Load Error 15"?
[08:33] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: don't quit an upgrade in the middle of upgrading
[08:33] <Psinetic> IndyGunFreak: it bugged out, not my fault ::P
[08:33] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: exactly, and since we dont know why it happpened, there's nothing we can do to prevent it for other people
[08:33] <IndyGunFreak> i suspect hardware.. but we'll see
[08:33] <lockd> Dr_Willis: node357: supposedly the X-Fi drivers for OSS are a little better
[08:33] <IndyGunFreak> it could have been any number of things that caused it
[08:34] <lizzzy> I get it before grub loads
[08:34] <Psinetic> IndyGunFreak: i'm suggesting yes that i use the windows cd to fix it, but in case this happens again to someone else for any reason, there should be a walkthrough to get them back on track
[08:34] <node357> lockd, I just set up OSS, and the line-in still doesn't work. Something in Ubuntu is messing it up.
[08:34] <bobsacamano> hi, i have ubuntu netbook edition running gnome, and its great. i installed xubuntu-desktop (xfce) to see if i could get better power-management, but it was very little change. 2 questions- how do i uninstall xfce, and whats a light gui to install? i prefer gnome to remain the default one, but id like to have a somewhatstripped down thing like windowmaker or something similar to conserve battery power
[08:34] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: well, walkthroughs aren't created for when something fails.
[08:34] <aprilhare> question: if 2.6.30 kernel had support for your webcam and you discovered karmic's 2.6.31 has mysteriously dropped your webcam, what should you do?
[08:34] <IndyGunFreak> they are typically created to make things go right.. but like i said, i think you have a hardware problem
[08:34] <joaopinto> aprilhare, file a bug report
[08:35] <lockd> aprilhare: and then install uvcvideo
[08:35] <MOUD> Hey all
[08:35] <aprilhare> joaopinto: i filed reports on launchpad in cheese and under the kernel
[08:35] <aprilhare> lockd: uvcvideo? ok i'll try that (whatever that is)
[08:35] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: unfortunately, there could be a myriad of things that caused the upgrade to fail(server failure, conneciton failure on your part), or you could ahve had some sort of hardware failure, or who knows what else.. bottom line, an upgrade got hosed in the middle of upgrading
[08:35] <Psinetic> IndyGunFreak: yes i understand. i'm saying, at least something that may work. heck i got like 1,000 windows xp cd's from work, and if it works, i'd be happy to upload it to some kind of server for everyone to grab so they can use it to fix this problem, but honestly ubuntu should be prepared for this.
[08:35] <lockd> node357: ugh, even making sure the mixer is set properly in ossxmix can be a pain
[08:36] <joaopinto> Psinetic, windows xp CDs do not fix hardware problems
[08:36] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: ok... assuming its a hardwaer problem.. how can ubuntu prepare for hardware problems?
[08:36] <IndyGunFreak> joaopinto: i been tryin to explain that for 20min.
[08:36] <Pricey> aprilhare: giving us the device id (the output from the command 'lsusb') would be helpful so we know exactly what chipset your camera has.
[08:36] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[08:36] <raven_> could ANYONE tell me why this upgrade sucks everytime
[08:37] <aprilhare> uvcvideo not available in synaptic?
[08:37] <aprilhare> Pricey: good idea
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> raven_:  it hates you?
[08:37] <lockd> aprilhare: it's the usb video class drivers. and there's no guarantee that it's a kernel issue
[08:37] <Zero_Cool> whats going on everyone
[08:37] <raven_> i do not have the time to fix every ...... problem that appears here permanently
[08:37] <joaopinto> Psinetic, the proper solution for your problem is well know, go to your vendor as ask for a repair, or buy new hardware
[08:37] <joaopinto> known
[08:37] <Psinetic> IndyGunFreak: no i mean, if the windows cd is able to wipe the partition and sets it straight, then that means that the ubuntu partitioner is not prepared to handle such a situation where windows is. i'm not saying it's better, i hate windows anyways, but it seems to be my only option at the moment. i'm just hoping the windows partitioner is able to wipe the drive.
[08:37] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: you need to isolate this to either a software problem, or a hardware problem... ranting about ubuntu, is not going to fix a hardware problem, if its a software rpoblem, fix it.. crap happens... something happened during your upgrade, its happened to quite a few folks at one time or another
[08:38] <Pricey> Psinetic: The Ubuntu cd is able to do that.
[08:38] <node357> So why is Ubuntu disabling the line-in on my sound card?
[08:38] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: IF.. boot the xp cd and see if it can
[08:38] <bobsacamano> anyone know? i do sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop but it only says 1pkg and 45k will be freed up
[08:38] <aprilhare> lockd: ok. but a package named uvcvideo not present. what do i install?
[08:38] <IndyGunFreak> Pricey: ... i'd not wander into this mess if i were you... :)
[08:38] <Pricey> bobsacamano: afterwards, do sudo apt-get autoremove
[08:38] <GrossHans> wau.. looks like the update for Ubuntu One client in 9.04 works
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> bobsacamano:  its a meta-package that just 'pulls in' other packages when installed...
[08:38] <joaopinto> Psinetic, wiping partitions is not fixing a problem, anyway you should be able to delete partitions with the regular "fdisk" if gparted fails
[08:38] <IndyGunFreak> Psinetic: you're saying if if if... but yu've not verified if xp can fix the drive yet.
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> bobsacamano:  trying to remove stuff in bulk like that can often remove thints you dont want
[08:38] <lockd> aprilhare: check to see if it's supported here http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/
[08:38] <IndyGunFreak> if XP fixes the drive and allows you to install.. then you'd have a logical complaint
[08:39] <bobsacamano> Dr_Willis, right. how do i uninstall all those packages that came with xfce though? they dont uninstall with the xubuntu-destkop removal id prefer not to hunt through synaptic :)
[08:39] <Psinetic> :P ok IndyGunFreak imma log off now and see if it works
[08:39] <Pricey> bobsacamano: afterwards, do sudo apt-get autoremove
[08:39] <Psinetic> be back in a little while folks
[08:39] <PsyberS> anyone know why amixer (or ALSA in general) is still trying to connect to pulseaudio, after i uninstalled pulseaudio? =o
[08:39] <IndyGunFreak> ok
[08:39] <aprilhare> lockd: i'd like to point out the webcam worked under 2.6.30 kernel (nightly build)
[08:39] <lockd> aprilhare: and yes, you have to install the Linux headers and compile it
[08:39] <bobsacamano> Pricey, ran it, noothing freed up
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> bobsacamano:  try what Pricey  said.. but watch carefully what its removeing.
[08:39] <Pricey> bobsacamano: how did you install xubuntu-desktop?
[08:39] <lockd> aprilhare: oh, well do you still have that kernel?
[08:39] <kevin__> help! I need to free up some space on my drive -- i literally have 0 bytes left. are there some log files i can delete or something?
[08:39] <bobsacamano> Pricey, apt-get
[08:39] <node357> PsyberS, sound in Ubuntu doesn't make any sense...
[08:40] <joaopinto> PsyberS, /usr/share/alsa/pulse.conf
[08:40] <joaopinto> node357, please stop doing useless comments
[08:40] <aprilhare> lockd: not on website mentioned
[08:40] <Pricey> !puregnome | bobsacamano See the following, but be *very* careful at looking at what it removes. Don't just accept it without looking. Make sure you do not remove critical stuff.
[08:40] <lockd> aprilhare: your camera isn't?
[08:40] <mercury^> Hi. How can I disable pulseaudio this time?
[08:40] <Pricey> bobsacamano: hmm... that isn't what I Wanted
[08:40] <bobsacamano> kevin__, check /var/log
[08:40] <aprilhare> lockd: still have that kernel.
[08:40] <joaopinto> mercury^, touch $HOME/.pulse_a11y_nostart ; echo autospawn = no|tee -a ~/.pulse/client.conf ; killall pulseaudio
[08:41] <aprilhare> lockd: it was a nightly build and as such had limitations.
[08:41] <joaopinto> mercury^, but the gnome mixer applet will stop working
[08:41] <DigitalKiwi> Pricey: ! we thought you were dead
[08:41] <Pricey> bobsacamano: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome be very careful with that.
[08:41] <aprilhare> but yes it worked with my webcam
[08:41] <node357> joaopinto, please don't label my comments as useless, it's insulting and I won't take the abuse
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> kevin__:  theres also some apt-get clean, or apt-get autoremove command that can clean out some things.
[08:41] <PsyberS> joaopinto: good thought, but that files removed when i removed 'pulseaudio' ;)
[08:41] <mercury^> joaopinto: thanks!
[08:41] <Trezker> I installed kmix to get a sound applet
[08:41] <joaopinto> node357, you have just insuled all the ubuntu developers, which work to get sound in Ubuntu, so please do not offend other people first
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> kevin__:   5% of your hard drive is 'reserved' also for root ussage. thats tuneable with the 'tune2fs' command.
[08:41] <lockd> aprilhare: oh, I was going to suggest "holding" the kernel until it got fixed
[08:41] <joaopinto> node357, specially on a support channel
[08:42] <node357> joaopinto, I can tell you first-hand that sound does not work right in Ubuntu.
[08:42] <lockd> Trezker: if you don't use kde you can just install gnome-applets/mixer
[08:42] <node357> You wouldn't know that because you've been ignoring me up until I said something that bothered you.
[08:42] <joaopinto> node357, and I was refering to your comments, not to your person, and youc comments are useless because they don't provide any usefull purpose for the person seeking help
[08:42] <joaopinto> !ot | node357
[08:42] <Pricey> node357: Sound works well in Ubuntu for me.
[08:42] <akrohit> Hi, I am having problems with mplayer in karmic
[08:43] <bobsacamano> Pricey, thanks man, i think thats what im looking for. but i dont think its uninstalling thme, it hits a few missing packages and i think its stop
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> Pricey:  same here. :) but i gave up on creative cards.
[08:43] <Pricey> node357: Sound does not work well in Ubuntu for you, on your hardware, with your current configuration.
[08:43]  * DigitalKiwi blames linus
[08:43] <joaopinto> node357, I don't ignore anyone, I don't have nothigng to help you, so I don't reply, and you should do the same when replying to other users, if you don't have nothing useful to reply, don't
[08:43] <aprilhare> lockd: there is already lsusb output attached to my bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/460118
[08:43] <DigitalKiwi> it's all  his fault!
[08:43] <node357> Pricey, it's Ubuntu's fault. Not my hardware's. Every other distribution works fine with the same damn ALSA drivers in recent kernels.
[08:43] <node357> I'm done with this crap.
[08:43] <DigitalKiwi> if he hadn't started this social revelation we could all be happily using windows
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> It would be nice tohave some 'mic input' training/config wizard - seems often getting line/mic in working canbe more effort then it really should be,
[08:44]  * aprilhare followed proper bug reporting proceedures
[08:44] <lockd> Linus let in ALSA, which isn't bad, all Unices have their own special audio drivers
[08:44] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/466228
[08:44] <dupondje> please confirm
[08:44]  * IndyGunFreak blames mark shuttleworth
[08:44] <Trezker> gnome-applets/mixer ? I don't think a package/executable has a / in it
[08:44] <lockd> Trezker: that's a gnome package and a subdir
[08:44] <aprilhare> dupondje: yes firefox is a bug ;)
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> its always fun when you spend  an hr trying to get mic in working.. then you plug the thing into the proper input.. it works in 3 sec.. :)
[08:45] <aprilhare> dupondje: genuine 64 bit flash is not supported by canonical
[08:45] <lockd> Trezker: it's in the gnome-applets source, but it's not built, so you have to go back and build it
[08:45] <aprilhare> dupondje: by which i refer to the 64 bit flash alpha Adobe have on their website
[08:45] <DigitalKiwi> which is quite nice
[08:45] <PsyberS> hey i dont mind pulseaudio, it worked fine in 9.04 for me but in karmic my SPDIF refuses to work now with pulseaudio installed
[08:45] <dupondje> aprilhare: well I know, but still, its prolly same issue with plugin included
[08:46] <PsyberS> uninstalling pulseaudio lets the SPDIF work through ALSA, but for some reason ALSA is defaulting to still try to use pa!
[08:46] <bobsacamano> Pricey, do you have a small x-server gui that you like? ive heard about windowmaker and fluxbox, what are your thoughts? i stripped xfce down a bit but it didnt offer much better battery life than gnome
[08:46] <Marsmensch_> i have some problems to understand this howto for suse http://pastebin.com/m2b6382b7 and bring it to run in ubuntu ... i have placed the config file in /etc/sysconfig/ ... but i don't think it is the right place ... but can anyone explain me what means line 5 an 7?
[08:46] <Pricey> bobsacamano: I use gnome.
[08:47] <mercury^> Well, I don't see why the installation would default to pulseaudio, as very few really need it and everyone else has to live with the delay it adds.
[08:47] <DigitalKiwi> openbox is the best floating wm out there :D
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> bobsacamano:  reducing your window manager is not going to do much to  battery life. theres all sortsof other things that suck down battery faster.
[08:48] <aprilhare> dupondje: we all have bugs reported that won't get touched in a long time. for instance this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/452765
[08:48] <Trezker> and how do I build the gnome mixer?
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> bobsacamano:  cpu is one big drain yes.. but the HD & LCD brightness are  proberly also  big drains
[08:48] <lockd> Trezker: is all you want a mixer, or is sound broken?
[08:48] <Trezker> Just the mixer, sound works fine
[08:48] <lockd> Trezker: well, just use kmix if you already installed it and don't want to mess with compiling
[08:49] <bobsacamano> Dr_Willis, i have the cpu throttled ok, and a ssd. :) thanks though
[08:49] <bobsacamano> Pricey, Dr_Willis thanks your guys help. im out for the evening, have a good night
[08:49] <PsyberS> Trezker: sudo apt-get install gnome-alsamixer
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> bobsacamano:   You are proberly going to get about much battery life as you can.
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> bobsacamano:  get a little foot powered generator.. :)
[08:50] <g0th> hi
[08:50] <Sensiva> !upgrade
[08:50] <lockd> Trezker: you also won't have the gnome sound preferences, so you have to use gconf to turn off alert sounds and all
[08:51] <mediadata> hi guys...
[08:51] <mediadata> how i find a driver print canon pixma ip1800 with ubuntu jaunty
[08:51] <g0th> when I upgraded from karmic my whole mail system "vannished". Before I used shredder now I have thunderbird (I thought they were the same?!). Anyway, 90% of my mail is gone, a lot of settings are lost, I had to rename .thunderbird-3.0 to .mozilla-thunderbird to get any information at all and certificates and passwords dont properly work anymore. What do I do?
[08:52] <kevin__> do i need any logs found in /var/log?
[08:53] <lockd> mediadata: cups drivers search shows 0 hits for pixma
[08:53] <ugur> hi, all. I have upgraded jaunty to karmic and now when i try to recconfigure virtualbox for the new kernel via /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup it says: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel
[08:53] <kevin__> anyone hit this error before: "Please check for broken packages with synaptic, check the file permissions and correctness of the file '/etc/apt/sources.list' and reload the software information with: 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get install -f'."
[08:53] <mediadata> lockd, i try...
[08:54] <ugur> kevin__: have you installed sun java lately?
[08:54] <g0th> anyone please?
[08:54] <kevin__> trying to get eclipse-pydev
[08:54] <kevin__> ugur, trying to get eclipse-pydev
[08:55] <mediadata> lockd, so un support it ?
[08:55] <ugur> try installing it via command prompt instead of synaptic
[08:55] <kbp> I'm planning to buy a single-core Atom cpu for Ubuntu server. Will I notice any difference if I use dual-core? Which one does Ubuntu work best with? Thanks
[08:55] <goodnight> grub 2 is beta in karmic?
[08:55] <lockd> mediadata: it says it's supported here, but I've never used Canon due to previous annoyances http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_iP1800
[08:56] <PsyberS> kbp: that really depends on your needs, but for a *server* you probably want multiple cores
[08:56] <dr3mro> hey guys i did hear that rhythmbox is ceased development and no new features any more does that mean it will not be part of next ubuntu ??
[08:56] <mediadata> lockd, go there... thx...
[08:56] <ugur> kevin__: It may be because it requires you to agree on something which you dont see in synaptic but you may see in apt-get
[08:56] <DigitalKiwi> lol atom server...
[08:57] <dondako> sziasztok
[08:57] <kbp> PsyberS: the need is a home server to store files, and possible, web server as well
[08:57] <IndyGunFreak> goodnight: i don't think its beta anymore, or it probably wouldn't have been used in the release
[08:57] <kevin__> ugur, hmm weird, i had run out of diskspace so couldn't complete the install/download of requried packages...but ocne i freed upp enough space and finished...it worked
[08:57] <kevin__> ugur, so much for failing gracefully huh? thanks for the help
[08:57] <ugur> kevin__: fine. Failure is the way to understanding
[08:57] <PsyberS> kbp: to be honest, most atom devices im aware of are clients and not servers, if you insist on using an atom i would highly recommend the multi-core
[08:58] <dr3mro> hey guys i did hear that rhythmbox is ceased development and no new features any more does that mean it will not be part of next ubuntu ??
[08:58] <kevin__> ugur, understaning a failure is the way to understanding
[08:58] <PsyberS> dr3mro: no need to repeat the same message over and over
[08:58] <IndyGunFreak> dr3mro: dunno... who cares, there's plenty of good music apps
[08:58] <kevin__> ugur, ubuntu sometimes makes this hard
[08:58] <dr3mro> IndyGunFreak, can you plz point me to one so i can try
[08:59] <DigitalKiwi> mpd + ncmpcpp
[08:59] <dryg> xmms
[08:59] <DigitalKiwi> audacious > xmms
[08:59] <dryg> ;[
[08:59] <kbp> PsyberS: I decided to go with atom because of its 60W power consumption. It beats all micro-atx/atx system in this field :)
[08:59] <IndyGunFreak> dr3mro: banshee, amarok, audacious, songbird.. those are 4 that immediately come to mind
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> when in doubt - check the package manager.. its amazing the things you find in there
[08:59] <dondako> hi I have a problem.  ubuntu 9.10. wifi signal very low. wifi type: Tp-Link  TL-WN422G. Idea?
[08:59] <secret901> My desktop is just a black screen.  I tried changing my desktop background but the desktop image stays the same.
[09:00] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, u know how to resolve the winspool.drv error in wine (takes alot to start wine)?
[09:00] <lockd> dr3mro: songbird seems to be the best if you're looking to replace rhythmbox
[09:00] <dr3mro> banshee >>mono . amarok >>kde audacoius >>no liberary - songbird >>>memory hug
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> secret901:  ive seen some issues where the wallpaper dident change. till i logged out/in..  not sure why. some service crashed/restarted I think
[09:00] <Rhubarb_> kbp, my server is currently a crusoe 800MHz low power unit, it's fine for personal webserver / file sharing / print server
[09:00] <DigitalKiwi> dr3mro: http://omploader.org/vMjgyag lower left is ncmpcpp, it's awesome assuming you like cli stuff...
[09:01] <zanden2> i've a certain package in two ubuntu repositories , the first one ubuntu universe , the second from ppa , how to force apt-get install to install the package from ppa repository ?
[09:01] <secret901> Dr_Willis: When I log out, I do see my desktop background, but it disappears once I log in again.
[09:01] <lockd> dr3mro: audacious no library? it uses WAY more than libc
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> secret901:  thats... weird.. Unless you got some compiz settings changeing it.
[09:02] <secret901> Dr_Willis: I upgraded to 9.10 from 9.04 and didn't change any Compiz setting.
[09:02] <kbp> Rhubarb_: how much power does it need? (i.e. the psu)
[09:02] <MasterofPuppets> Hey guys, if I'm using Ubuntu right now and I want to make my system boot from a windows disk, how do I do that?
[09:02] <Rhubarb_> kbp, I'm not sure, it's an old laptop, I'd guess at 20W or less
[09:02] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: you have a separate partition containing your Windows installation?
[09:03] <spO> are any o you using deluge ? it doesn't work after install karmic
[09:03] <cooter> can anyone help me out with getting my wirless to work on an hp laptop
[09:04] <IndyGunFreak> cooter: whats the chipset on the device?
[09:04] <secret901> cooter: does Ubuntu recognize the device?
[09:04] <psinetic> IndyGunFreak, up and running.
[09:04] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: great... see if you can install 9.10
[09:04] <Lunar-> c
[09:05] <psinetic> already did
[09:05] <IndyGunFreak> oh.. damn that was fast.
[09:05] <secret901> After I upgraded to Karmic Koala, my desktop background is just a black screen.  I tried changing it but don't see any difference.
[09:05] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: now i'm curious why gparted wouldn't format the drive
[09:05] <cooter> it recognized it when i installed ubuntu and it showed the available networks but when i restarted the computer this morning it didnt even recognize that it had a wireless chip installed
[09:05] <IndyGunFreak> but it doesn't really matter at this point
[09:06] <psinetic> yeah...so now we need to make a solution for this problem. it's obvious i'm not the only one that this has happened to. so, for some reason whatever it is, the upgrade crashed in the middle of it. it doesn't matter why it crashed, fact is, it did, and it almost wrecked the hard drive in the process.
[09:06] <secret901> cooter: is there a button on your laptop that enable/disables the wireless?
[09:06] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: well, obviouisly something happened during the upgrade.. it could have still been hardware related(ie, server failed, you or the server lost its connection etc.)
[09:06] <secret901> cooter: is your wireless light on?
[09:06] <lockd> psinetic: it does matter why it crashed otherwise there's no way to fix it yeah
[09:07] <IndyGunFreak> again, way to many variables to try and just say, "Oh, it was the upgraders fault"
[09:07] <joaopinto> psinetic, a software install will not affect your hardware integrity, if there is something wrong with your hard disk, it is not related to the install, it was just exposed during the install
[09:07] <psinetic> IndyGunFreak, lockd, no, what i mean is, the way i fixed it was with a windows cd formatting the partition
[09:07] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: and i've yet to see someone w/ your problem, other than you.
[09:07] <psinetic> that other guy earlier said he had the same problem and had to do the same thing
[09:07] <bjarni> hi
[09:07] <secret901> My desktop background is just a black screen and I can't change it.
[09:08] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: there were probably other options... but you got it worked out, drink a milkshake and relax
[09:08]  * psinetic goes and grabs a milkshake and sits back to watch the simpsons
[09:08] <psinetic> :D
[09:08] <bjarni> will my day be ruined if I upgrade 9.04 to 9.10?
[09:08]  * IndyGunFreak is watching Married w/ Children
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> secret901:  see if it works for a newly made user..  every so often i just bite the bullet and totally clean out all my gnome settings and start from stratch.
[09:08] <IndyGunFreak> bjarni: not just your day, your next few days
[09:08] <psinetic> bjarni, just don't quit the install midway through
[09:08] <psinetic> LOL
[09:08] <cooter> i have been working on this for a couple of days and the pressure switch is pressed it wont work to turn the wireless back on so when i got the driver activated again i disconnected the switch in the on position and it was working but know it doesnt even recognize there is a driver installed
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> bjarni:  your mileage may vary. :)
[09:08] <lockd> I used to have to nuke the partition table before Anaconda would install properly, but I've never seen anything like that in Ubuntu/Debinstall
[09:09] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: lmao.. that should realy go w/o saying
[09:09] <secret901> Dr_Willis: I just changed my compiz settings to none
[09:09] <IndyGunFreak> lockd: me either, but go figure...
[09:09] <psinetic> *sigh* that was really..REALLY annoying
[09:09] <bjarni> im running at turtle speed these days - cant make that much difference
[09:09] <secret901> Dr_Willis: and my background appears
[09:09] <psinetic> ok so i give it 30 minutes before my next problem comes up
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> secret901:   compiz hjas some feature to do wallpaper. but i never use it.
[09:09] <bjarni> here goes....
[09:10] <natschil> I'm getting an invalid signature error for jaunty security, how can I fix this?
[09:10] <PsyberS> secret901: oh ya, i had that problem in jaunty and forgot how i solved it :)
[09:10] <secret901> PsyberS: does it have to do with Compiz?
[09:10] <PsyberS> secret901: you cant let compiz manage the desktop wallpaper and nautilus
[09:10] <secret901> Dr_Willis: I don't want to disable Compiz, but it seems to be my solution right now
[09:10] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: lol, 30min?
[09:11] <PsyberS> secret901: theres a setting in compiz to do wallpapers, disable that
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> secret901:  clean out all the old settings. or explore compiz and find the setting
[09:11] <psinetic> IndyGunFreak, you have no idea how many bugs and problems i've run into back to back on ubuntu.
[09:11] <PsyberS> secret901: the plugin 'Wallpaper'
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> I found a neat Compiz setting that puts ROOT: in the title of any windoes running  with root access :) by exploring compiz
[09:11] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: no disrespect, are they actual bugs and problems, or user malfunctions?.. cuz honestly, i've not had major problems w/ ubuntu, since probably 6.10
[09:12] <secret901> PsyberS: how do I change my Compiz settings? I only disabled it via Appearance
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> IndyGunFreak:  I see lots of PEBKAC also :)
[09:12] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_Willis: exactly.. :)
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> !ccsm | secret901
[09:12] <PsyberS> secret901: i installed simple-ccsm
[09:12] <sl1ck> how do I KILL upstart ?
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> sl1ck:  err.. why doyou even think you need to do that?
[09:12] <psinetic> IndyGunFreak, well maybe it is user malfunctions, but i just see them as problems that just won't go away >_>
[09:13] <IndyGunFreak> i did have a wireless issue for about 4mo in 8.04, but i think thats cuz the device was to new.. it came around in 8.10
[09:13] <peterP> I just installed Ubuntu 9.10 server on an USB stick, attached the stick to an old PC and booted it. Grub loads without problems, but than nothing (black screen) happens and the system just restarts after a couple of minutes. the normal 9.10 desktop install works fine this way. how do I find the problem?
[09:13] <sl1ck> Dr_Willis: err.. why do you think I don't want to?
[09:13] <lockd> sl1ck: upstart is INIT.. you do NOT want to kill that
[09:13] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: well, what problem doesn't go away?
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> sl1ck:  because upstart handles all the init processes - its replacing the sysv system. its not somthing you just start/stop
[09:13] <PsyberS> secret901: use 'compizconfig-settings-manager', search for 'wallpaper' and make sure its unchecked
[09:13] <lockd> sl1ck: start with init=/bin/sh :P
[09:13] <secret901> PsyberS: I called compiz-manager and it crashed on me
[09:14] <sl1ck> lockd: it wont allow me to kill other pids
[09:14] <psinetic> IndyGunFreak, well i'll have to see how it goes in karmic, but in jaunty i had at least three problems that no one knew how to fix. i was on the irc for a week asking for help and no one knew
[09:14] <sl1ck> how do I kill random pids ?
[09:14] <PsyberS> i recently upgraded to karmic, and i have a broken ankle... what package do i remove to fix it?
[09:14] <sl1ck> it resurrects them
[09:14] <juniecho> hi, i'm on 9.10 now, can't get any usb mice to work. thumbdrives are working fine, only mice are causing trouble. what's the problem?
[09:14] <IndyGunFreak> psinetic: well what was one of those problems?.. just curious
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> sl1ck:  what are you trying to kill exactly?
[09:14] <psinetic> IndyGunFreak, for example: i could go into the places menu and click on one of the links at the top column (there are three columns total, the top one though) and it would up and play a dvd if i had one in, and if i dind't have one in, it wouldn't do anything.
[09:15] <sl1ck> Dr_Willis: for example wpa_supplicant or avahi just to name a few
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> sl1ck:  to stop services  you should be using the proper command to stop them. not just killing the pid.
[09:15] <Rhubarb_> juniecho, that's weird, try running:  sudo lsusb   which should tell you what ubuntu sees connected to your usb ports
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> sl1ck:  'sudo service SeRVICENAME stop'
[09:15] <lockd> sl1ck: wpa_supplicant isn't being started by init directly, it's being started by NetworkManager
[09:15] <PsyberS> anyone know why i have to 'renice +19 dhclient' in order to connect to encrypted wifi networks?
[09:15] <MasterJimmy> IndyGunFreak, changed my nick from Psinetic to MasterJimmy
[09:15] <IndyGunFreak> MasterJimmy: lol, well, thats a first i heard on that one.
[09:15] <MasterJimmy> IndyGunFreak, yeah, no one knew how to fix it
[09:16] <sl1ck> lockd: if I kill NetworkManager upstart restarts it again
[09:16] <joaopinto> PsyberS, no idea, but you should file a bug report about that
[09:16] <MasterJimmy> IndyGunFreak, also another problem:
[09:16] <lockd> sl1ck: sudo service NetworkManager stop
[09:16] <lockd> sl1ck: err, sudo service network-manager stop
[09:16] <cooter> indy: you got any ideas on the wireless driver issue?
[09:16] <IndyGunFreak> MasterJimmy: again, no disrespect, but when you have a problem that nobody else has, and it is an unknown problem to this channel or forum, its usually the one variable this channel can't predict..(i'll let you figure out the answer)
[09:16] <MasterJimmy> IndyGunFreak, my system wouldn't get rid of the system wide proxy settings. it always tried to connect to tor. even after i took it off and applied system wide
[09:17] <sl1ck> ouch...what happened to the good ol' kill/pkill stuff ...
[09:17] <juniecho> Rhubarb_, ubuntu seems to recognize my mice. it's in the list.
[09:17] <raven_> is there any boot-system that provides netboot options also to systems they can't do netboot itself?
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> raven_:  ive seen netbook 'cd' and 'floppies' that sort of jumpstart non net-bootable machines
[09:18] <lockd> sl1ck: again like Dr_Willis said you should use the service manager or /etc/init.d/service-name stop
[09:18] <joaopinto> MasterJimmy, that is not a system problem, is a user proble, you were the one setting it up to use a proxy
[09:18] <MasterofPuppets> Hey guys, if I'm using Ubuntu right now and I want to make my system boot from a Vista disk, how do I do that?
[09:18] <Dr_Willis>  init.d/whatever may NOT be the proper way any more in 9.10 :)  use the 'service' command :)
[09:18] <raven_> Dr_Willis, netbook??
[09:18] <sl1ck> this upstart thingy is one persnickety little ...
[09:18] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: You want to reboot the computer and log onto Vista?
[09:18] <MasterJimmy> IndyGunFreak, haha, yeah i know what you mean. i'm quite sure alot of these problems i bring on myself, but at least if i report them as a possible problem no matter how bizar, someone should be able to help, and if not, as a community sit down and figure it out for the next guy who comes along witht he same problem.
[09:18] <joaopinto> MasterJimmy, sudo os-prober && sudo apt-get grub-update
[09:18] <sl1ck> fine, fine
[09:18] <TheFunkbomb> could someone help me permanently mount a partition using fstab?
[09:18] <Rhubarb_> juniecho, I don't have much experience with x input devices (unless it's a wiimote) :s
[09:18] <cooter> anyone know anything about wireless drivers?
[09:18] <chazco> On Ubuntu 9.04 you could watch DVB by using totem-xine - but this isn't possible on 9.10 (regression again?). Any fix? Using me-tv currently but it's a bit buggy...
[09:18] <sl1ck> thanks anyways
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> raven_:   my aao netbook can netboot :)
[09:18] <lockd> Dr_Willis: well I was saying /etc/init.d/ was the proper way with sysv
[09:18] <Caroline83> hello, good morning
[09:19] <MasterJimmy> joaopinto, what's the first one do?
[09:19] <IndyGunFreak> MasterJimmy: thats just not feasible
[09:19] <Caroline83> May I please ask for help?
[09:19] <Dr_Willis> lockd:  yep. and now 9.10 is a bit of a mixture of the 2. perhaps the next release will be all upstart.
[09:19] <joaopinto> MasterJimmy, it will attempt to detected other OSes boots
[09:19] <MasterofPuppets> secret901: When I reboot, I'd like the system to boot from the DVD instead so that I can install it
[09:19] <MasterJimmy> !ask | Caroline83
[09:19] <raven_> Dr_Willis, do you remember which system this can do? what you described is something i am looking for
[09:19] <Caroline83> Thanks ubottu, will do
[09:19] <MasterJimmy> joaopinto, oh, well the problem is solved now :)
[09:19] <TheFunkbomb> lol
[09:19] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: What is it currently doing?
[09:20] <lockd> Dr_Willis: isn't upstart a drop-in replacement for init? or are there some quirks
[09:20] <raik> dsl internet not connecting in 9.10 after upgrade?
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> raven_:  not really. I just watch distrowatch and saw it on there. I think  the edubuntu disrto may of had some extras like tha talso
[09:20] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: does it currently boot straight into Ubuntu?
[09:20] <MasterofPuppets> secret901: Yeah, straight into Karmic
[09:20] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, u know how to resolve the winspool.drv error in wine (takes alot to start wine)?
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> lockd:  thers all kinds of quirks. :) one of which is people trying to use the sysv commands.
[09:20] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: Change your BIOS settings to boot from the DVD drive
[09:20] <joaopinto> MasterofPuppets,  sudo os-prober && sudo apt-get grub-update
[09:20] <aprilhare> best method to burn ubuntu iso's to cd?
[09:20] <joaopinto> oh, DVD drive
[09:20] <joaopinto> sorry
[09:20] <joaopinto> :P
[09:20] <Caroline83> I just installed Ubuntu 9,10.  After rebooting, it drops me into a tty session and a logon prompt.  How can I fix my display tyoe and start X?
[09:21] <joaopinto> !burn | aprilhare
[09:21] <alexb92> hey guys, just wondering if theres a quick way to install packages that i have already downloaded, i havea massive folder of over 2500 and i dont want to go through each one individually
[09:21] <TheFunkbomb> could someone please help me set up a mount point for a partition using fstab?
[09:21] <kosmic> License: Open Source
[09:21] <kosmic> Price: Free
[09:21] <kosmic> Heh you'll have to get rid of that
[09:21] <cooter> my computer recognized my wireless driver when i installed ubuntu and i was able to use it till i shut down my computer last night when i restarted it this morning it doesnt even show up in the hardware drivers. any one got any ideas?
[09:21] <MasterofPuppets> secret901: How does one do this? :P
[09:21] <joaopinto> alexb92, sudo dpkg -i *.deb, but be carefull, make sure you dont install incompatible packages
[09:22] <zcat[1]> alexb92: dpkg -i *.deb
[09:22] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: when you reboot your computer, you can typically go into the BIOS settings by pressing F2
[09:22] <zcat[1]> heh
[09:22] <TheFunkbomb> cooter, plug in with an ethernet cable and type sudo apt-get update
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> alexb92:   last i did a bulk install like that.. a lot of the packages were also older versions/extras/redunand... to be carefull
[09:22] <alexb92> what goes in place of the asterisk?
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> alexb92:  * is a wildcard. :) bash basics
[09:22] <alexb92> ohk cool
[09:22] <raven_> who knows a system that boots up a pc from usb-drive or cd and then gives a list of netboot systems?
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> alexb92:  try 'echo *' and see
[09:22] <Rhubarb_> alexb92,   dpkg -i *.deb
[09:22] <cooter> thefunkbomb: thanks man will try
[09:22] <mrfelton> Since upgrading to Karmic the other day, my mouse has been acting up a little. It seems to freeze for about half a second quite freequently. Generally, it is when I do something like closing a tab in firefox (ctrl+w), or switching virtual desktop using a hot key (ctrl+1/2/3/4). I'd say that it almost always involves using the ctrl key...
[09:22] <alexb92> yeah its all good, ive just backed up my old ubuntu packages after that install screwed up
[09:22] <TheFunkbomb> it always works for me
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> with that many packages alexb92  * may not work.
[09:23] <lockd> the only dir I have with over 2500 packages is the APT cache
[09:23] <mrfelton> is this known about?
[09:23] <alexb92> so im trying to restore things slowly
[09:23] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: your computer should briefly display a message like "Press F2 to enter BIOS" on bootup
[09:23] <mrfelton> anything I can do?
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> alexb92:  theres a limit to the #/size of a command line.
[09:23]  * MasterJimmy reaches out and gives IndyGunFreak a really really big hug and hands him a box with a blowup doll in it. "So long and thanks for all the fish." :D lol, i'm not leaving though, so just thanks for all the help and sorry for the headache
[09:23] <MasterofPuppets> secret901: Oh, alright, sounds good :)
[09:23] <lockd> alexb92: it's probably better to reinstall
[09:23] <chazco> mrfelton - I've noticed that with cut/copy/paste... using ctrl... interesting
[09:23] <alexb92> dr_wilis: sorry but would u be able to give me an example of what to type into terminal, im kinda a noob at all this
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> alexb92:  if the packages are in the  /var/cache/apt directory  and you try to reinstall the package. it should use the version allready downloaded and not redownload them
[09:23] <IndyGunFreak> MasterJimmy: lol, you can keep the blow up doll... no problem, glad its resolved
[09:23] <Severite> I purchased a used computer, and loaded ubuntu 9.10 on it, but apparently the wireless card is Broadcom and I cant figure out how to install the firmware.  I have the firmware for both fwcutter and the broadcom drivers sitting on the desktop, but Im at a loss of the next step.....  Thank you very much if anyone can help me
[09:23] <alexb92> lockd : yeah i did, i just upgraded to 9.10
[09:23] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: you should do it quickly before it boots into Ubuntu
[09:23] <mrfelton> chazco, yep, copy/paste does it to... and opening a new tab in firefox
[09:24] <aprilhare> hmmm the default cd burning software misreports the free cd space as 12 MB
[09:24] <lockd> alexb92: so why do you need to install that many packages?
[09:24] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: which broadcom is it?.. do you have a option to enable it in sys/admin/hardware drivers
[09:24] <aprilhare> yes brasero
[09:24] <mrfelton> chazco, I have a Dell XPS M1330
[09:24] <cooter> the funkbomb: its done. do i need to restart?
[09:24] <TheFunkbomb> cooter, unplug the wire and then give it a shot
[09:24] <alexb92> lockd : had them from the past version i had installed, i didnt really want to bother and re download them all again
[09:24] <TheFunkbomb> if it doesn't work, try rebooting
[09:24] <Caroline83> dir
[09:24] <Severite> No, I do not, but it is in the list of "supported" chipsets
[09:25] <InsomniaCity> Hi! My Koala upgrade install stage is running at the moment, but whenever it tries to retrieve something from the web, like mstt-corefonts or flashplugin-installer, it tries to retrieve it from <IP_ADDRESS>...
[09:25] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: http://michaelstevenstech.com/bios_manufacturer.htm
[09:25] <MasterofPuppets> secret901: Alright, sounds good! Time to re-find my Vista :P
[09:25] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: which chpset is it?
[09:25] <alexb92> dr_willis : so if i copy all the packages in there, they will install, correct?
[09:25] <joaopinto> alexb92, you should not intall .debs prepared for other ubuntu version, they are likely to break your system
[09:25] <cooter> the funkbomb: it still doenst show up in hardware drivers so ill restart and be back in a minute
[09:25] <TheFunkbomb> cooter, no wait
[09:25] <alexb92> joaopinto: even if they worked fine in 9.04?
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> alexb92:  No.. they will be there if you try to install them with the normal package manager tools.. they wont redownload
[09:25] <TheFunkbomb> cooter, don't look in the hardware drivers, just try to use the wireless card
[09:25] <Severite> BCM 4311
[09:26] <lockd> they will if they are old packages, Dr_Willis
[09:26] <joaopinto> alexb92, yes, .debs are developed and tested for specific releases
[09:26] <MasterJimmy> a friend of mine once before gave me a list of all the apps he had installed on his computer. http://psinetic.pastebin.com/m4bcd4990 how do i set these all to install at once on my computer through terminal?
[09:26] <joaopinto> !clone | master_of_master
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> lockd:  yep.. thats a benifit :) you dont want tobe forceing older stuff to install
[09:26] <joaopinto> ops
[09:26] <joaopinto> ^ MasterJimmy
[09:26] <MasterJimmy> that is i
[09:26] <alexb92> dr_wilis: ohk cool , thanks, yeah i got all the packages from /var/cache/apt/archives so im trying to put them all back in place thats all
[09:26] <cooter> thefunkbomb: im still not getting the option to turn my wireless on
[09:27] <TheFunkbomb> cooter, restart then
[09:27] <cooter> thefunkbomb: alright back in a sec
[09:27] <alexb92> joaopinto : i aim to install everything not caring if they are compatible or not, and then get synaptic to update them all
[09:27] <KeiKurono> hi

[09:27] <secret901> cooter: is the wireless light on in your laptop?
[09:27] <zcat[1]> or sudo rmmod b43 ; sudo insmod b43  should work
[09:27] <KeiKurono> what's better supported, ubuntu or debian, nowadays?
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> alexb92:  the safeest way would of been to generate a list of what was installed befor.. then reinstall them properly.
[09:27] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: does the machine have internet access, other than wireless?
[09:27] <MasterJimmy> joaopinto, you were going to say something?
[09:27] <cooter> secret901: no
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> KeiKurono:  depends on how you defind 'support' :)
[09:27] <Severite> No =(
[09:27] <joaopinto> alexb92, well, you have been warned, don't get back here complaining about a broken system
[09:27] <alexb92> jaopinto : when i was using 9.04, during the installation process i had a power outage, the interent protocol andd many other things screwed up, so i couldt fix them the conventional way
[09:28] <TheFunkbomb> could someone please help me with permanently mounting an NTFS partition?
[09:28] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: http://es-la.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=167701472697&comments&ref=mf
[09:28] <Caroline83> I just installed Ubuntu 9,10.  After rebooting, it drops me into a tty session and a logon prompt.  How can I fix my display type and start X?
[09:28] <secret901> cooter: is there a button or a combination of buttons on the keyboard you can use to turn it on?
[09:28] <alexb92> jaopinto : even the alternnate cd didnt work for me to upgrade my system, so i did a clean install and am putting things back
[09:28] <IndyGunFreak> Caroline83: well what happens when you type startx
[09:28] <KeiKurono> Dr_Willis, with the largest / better community, and with more / better packages
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> TheFunkbomb:  install/run ntfs-config tool.. can automate that
[09:28] <joaopinto> Caroline83, login into the console and try: startx
[09:28] <MasterJimmy> joaopinto,
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> TheFunkbomb:  or add a line to fstab similer to -> /dev/sda1 /media/VistaBoot ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[09:28] <alexb92> joaopinto : its all good, in my opinion i have nothing to lose :)
[09:28] <joaopinto> !clone | MasterJimmy
[09:29] <TheFunkbomb> yes, that's what I wanted
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> KeiKurono:  ubuntu community is proberly the largest out there..
[09:29] <TheFunkbomb> fstab
[09:29] <cooter> secret901: yes but i disconnected it when i got my wireless working last night because when you press the switch itll shut the wireless off and im left with the same problem i have now
[09:29] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: lemme know if that works, i've been curious about that, and don't have any broadcom devices
[09:29] <KeiKurono> Dr_Willis, as i thought thx
[09:29] <MasterJimmy> joaopinto, ok now that's just outright confusing
[09:29] <PoOkette> Bonjour
[09:29] <proctis> elo
[09:29] <g0th> hi can anyone in here help me with shredder to thunderbird upgrade?
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> TheFunkbomb:  it pays to readup/learn how linux mounts things and the fstab works. :) the ntfs-3g docs are good to read also. Lots of neat things in it.
[09:30] <secret901> cooter: what did you disconnect?
[09:30] <PoOkette> Bonjour à tous! vous en avez marre de votre server !! venez sur /server -m irc.tchat-world.fr ou sur http://tchat-world.fr pour java ! Nous recherchons CM, op, Géo... pour d'éventuelle poste a venir :)Bonjour à tous! vous en avez marre de votre server !! venez sur /server -m irc.tchat-world.fr ou sur http://tchat-world.fr pour java ! Nous recherchons CM, op, Géo... pour d'éventuelle poste a venir :)Bonjour à tous! vous en avez
[09:30] <PoOkette> Bonjour à tous! vous en avez marre de votre server !! venez sur /server -m irc.tchat-world.fr ou sur http://tchat-world.fr pour java ! Nous recherchons CM, op, Géo... pour d'éventuelle poste a venir :)Bonjour à tous! vous en avez marre de votre server !! venez sur /server -m irc.tchat-world.fr ou sur http://tchat-world.fr pour java ! Nous recherchons CM, op, Géo... pour d'éventuelle poste a venir :)Bonjour à tous! vous en avez
[09:30] <FloodBot2> PoOkette: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:30] <Severite> Im perusing it now, looks like it may be beyond my level atm, though.  Im green to linux in general
[09:30] <IndyGunFreak> g0th: thats really an application issue..
[09:30] <cooter> secret901: the pressure switch
[09:30] <msk> hi
[09:30] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: beyond your level?.. he tells you exactly what to do.
[09:30] <IndyGunFreak> you can't browse a CD?
[09:30] <secret901> cooter: that switch turns on or off the wireless?
[09:30] <infidx> can a live cd be used to tell me if ubuntu will let me use my 2 monitors as dual monitors?
[09:31] <IndyGunFreak> infidx: sometimes.. my dual screen nvidia works on the live CD
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> infidx:  depends on your video card... :)
[09:31] <msk> please help me out i am not able to open lotus notes 8.0.2 in ubuntu 9.10
[09:31] <infidx> i have nvidia
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> infidx:  i often find the live cd's out do not activate both lcd's here.
[09:31] <IndyGunFreak> infidx: which nvidia card
[09:31] <infidx> IndyGunFreak did it work out of the box
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> infidx:  or  they activate both in clone mode by default.
[09:31] <cooter> secret901: when i disconnected it i still had the option to turn the wireless on and off from the network connections and it worked there but when i restareted my computer this morning it wont even recognize the driver
[09:31] <pradeep> is there no gui for ubuntu server jaunty??
[09:31] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_Willis: i think it gets activated in clone..
[09:31] <lockd> infidx: but note, when you install your shiney proprietary nVidia drivers, that can gum up the works
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> infidx:  getting twinview /2 monitors going on a single nvidia card is rather straight forwared
[09:32] <infidx> Nvidia Geforce 9100 integrated 256mb graphics dvi/vga
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> IndyGunFreak:  yep. and it clones badly here.. i got 2 different sized monitors.
[09:32] <Caroline83> joapinto: thanks!  will reboot and try startx, hold onn...
[09:32] <infidx> i dont like clone mode
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> Install nvidia drivers.. run nvidia-settings tool.. activate both monitors/twinview.. restart X server. :)
[09:32] <IndyGunFreak> infidx: the biggest problem i had, was saving the settings to xorg.conf, because it doesn't exist in 9.10 anymore, so i took a xorg.conf from my 9.04 install, plugged it in, and nvidia-settings saved the settings just fine..
[09:32] <secret901> cooter: is your wireless card a physical card that you can physically disconnect from your laptop?
[09:33] <IndyGunFreak> other than that, it worked fine
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> IndyGunFreak:  yea. I had a backup of my old xorg.conf i used.
[09:33] <IndyGunFreak> Dr_Willis: yeah,t hat was the only annoyance i had w/ it
[09:33] <cooter> secret901: yes theres a card underneath the cover on the bottom of my laptop that has two wires on it
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> the nvidia-settingds tool is getting a little old.. it needs  a refresh :)
[09:33] <x3464> anybody else notice that "favicons" are broken in the "Bookmarks Toolbar" in Firefox?
[09:34] <Caroline83> joapinto: when i type startx, i get "fatal server error, no screens found"
[09:34] <Severite> IndyGunFreak didn't realize it would self install, I was trying to figure out the terminal commands, Im installing htem now, I will let you know if it is successful
[09:34] <infidx> lockd arent all nvidia drivers proprietary? are you saying that installing them will mess things up?
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> infidx:  you may want to save my xorg.conf as an example in case you need to copy a fuller xorg.conf to your system (url follows)
[09:34] <Dhuski> What is a good alternative to WinSCP for Ubuntu?
[09:34] <Dr_Willis>  pastebinit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f27237d80
[09:34] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: thanks.. keep in mind, you'll have to restart
[09:34] <secret901> cooter: how old is your laptop?
[09:34] <alexb92> oh guys interesting thing, i installed ubuntu to a separate hard drive on my computer, and grub has taken over as the default bootloader for all the hard drives on my computer
[09:34] <Severite> I suspected as much
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> Dhuski:  you can use the normal gnome file manager to access ssh/sftp systems
[09:34] <robin0800> cooter: you may have to press the wireless switch for a while to turn the card on
[09:34] <alexb92> is there a way to change this back ?
[09:35] <Dhuski> Dr_Willis, k thanks.
[09:35] <lockd> infidx: well, the open source nvidia drivers don't support 3D, and are little more than glorified VGA adapters
[09:35] <x3464> anybody else notice that "favicons" are broken in the "Bookmarks Toolbar" in Firefox?
[09:35] <cooter> secret901: im not sure its a compaq 6515b. i bought it off a friend if i had to guess its about a 2005 or 2006
[09:36] <Pumba> Hey where can I find stuff out about OSPF?
[09:36] <lockd> infidx: apparently Dr_Willis got twinview working fine with the proprietary drivers though
[09:36] <IndyGunFreak> looks like the morning crowd is showing up.
[09:36] <IndyGunFreak> lol
[09:36] <Pumba> Got a networking exam Monday
[09:36] <Pumba> @IndyGunFreak hey I like guns too!
[09:36] <Hajuu> facebook?
[09:37] <IndyGunFreak> Pumba: lol
[09:37] <secret901> cooter: and in order to have wireless capabilities, you have to use a separate card, right? do you know the model of your wireless card? it should say so on the card
[09:37] <lockd> Pumba: if you don't have a thick tome or notes with all the routing protocols described, then I say you probably have put off studying
[09:37] <Caroline83> joaopinto: when i type startx, i get "fatal server error, no screens found"
[09:37] <x3464> Can someone with Karmic please confirm that there are no favicons in the "Bookmarks Toolbar" within Firefox?
[09:38] <cooter> secret901: its a broadcom bcm4311
[09:38] <severity1> x3464, icons working fine inside bookmarks
[09:38] <Pumba> @lockd not really, just a few specific problems with no answers in course notes.   Don't see much information on it out there.
[09:39] <weili> Hi, could somebody help me? I updated Ubuntu yesterday and can't get Empathy to work with gmx-jabber. I tried lots of different settings, but none of them works and even tried reinstalling empathy and its libraries
[09:39] <Scorpion_on> join #ubuntu-ru
[09:39] <secret901> cooter: so the card is connected to the laptop when you booted up Ubuntu?
[09:39] <x3464> severity1:  Do you have a "dinosaur head" icon beside the "Getting Started" button?
[09:39] <lockd> Pumba: all I know of is Wikipedia and the RFCs. Which can be a nightmare to comprehend
[09:39] <cooter> secret901: yes
[09:40] <lockd> Pumba: and, I have been there
[09:40] <robin0800> amerinese: the beta? chrome is running fine here
[09:40] <severity1> x3464, yep the zilla icon
[09:40] <lockd> chromium works fine for me, except for some plugin crashes
[09:40] <secret901> cooter: are there lights on the card? are they on?
[09:40] <cooter> secret901: no lights on the card
[09:41] <amerinese> robin0800: I didn't know there was a beta version.  Wanted to know if it was really faster than FF and stable.   Thanks anyway!
[09:41] <C-S-B> robin0800, you running chrome or chromium?
[09:41] <secret901> cooter: so how do you know whether it's working?
[09:41] <rahmu> just upgraded to karmic, sound has gone off. help anyone ?
[09:41] <robin0800> cooter: lights on laptop?
[09:41] <juniecho> hi, usb mice are not working even after I removed "blacklist usbmouse" from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf. mice are recognized correctly to ubuntu, can see their presence as when i type lsusb there are my mice on the list, and i can see red light coming in but it won't move. touchpad is working fine. what is the problem?
[09:41] <apuokas> try increasing the sound
[09:41] <apuokas> the volume
[09:41] <cooter> it was working last night when i reinstalled ubuntu
[09:42] <robin0800> C-S-B: crome .....................google
[09:42] <amerinese> Oh, no Swiftfox is an optimized compile of Firefox.
[09:42] <cooter> robin0800: yes there is a light on the laptop but its not on
[09:42] <ydur> hi there!
[09:42] <C-S-B> robin0800, is it running better than chromium?
[09:42] <secret901> cooter: where is this light?
[09:42] <lockd> juniecho: usbhid has replaced those devices
[09:42] <cooter> secret901: to the left of the mouse pad
[09:43] <robin0800> cooter: hold wireless switch till it lights
[09:43] <lockd> juniecho: err, replaced those drivers
[09:43] <pradeep> is there no gui for ubuntu server jaunty??
[09:43] <secret901> cooter: what is the label for this light?
[09:43] <ydur> i have a question: is there an alternative to torrents for downloading some good music?
[09:43] <x3464> severity1:  Did you do a fresh install of Karmic or upgrade?
[09:43] <juniecho> lockd, so is it better to leave those(usbmouse, usbkeybd) drivers blacklists?
[09:43] <cooter> secret901: a wireless icon
[09:43] <weili>  Hi, could somebody help me? I updated Ubuntu yesterday and can't get Empathy to work with gmx-jabber. I tried lots of different settings, but none of them works and even tried reinstalling empathy and its libraries
[09:43] <C-S-B> pradeep, no, why would you want one?
[09:43] <robin0800> C-S-B: yes very well no crashes at all
[09:43] <raik> dsl connection failing after upgrade to 9.10?
[09:43] <lockd> juniecho: probably. does the system have old PS/2 ports?
[09:43] <secret901> cooter: and there is a switch that can make that light go on and off?
[09:43] <th1> pradeep, the whole point of server is to save resources by omitting the guy
[09:43] <th1> s/guy/gui/
[09:44] <C-S-B> robin0800, does it do flash and java
[09:44] <lockd> juniecho: and/or does it work with another distro?
[09:44] <pradeep> th1:I know. I am using it for the first time so
[09:44] <severity1> x3464, a fresh install
[09:44] <juniecho> lockd, no. only usb. but either way(usbmouse blacklisted or not) it won't move. it worked fine with 9.04.
[09:44] <lockd> C-S-B: flash, yes, java plugin is kind of iffy
[09:44] <robin0800> C-S-B: yes flash java don't know
[09:44] <Pumba> @ydur have you tried Jamendo or some of the creative commons licensed music?
[09:44] <lockd> juniecho: okay, that tells me it's probably HAL configuration
[09:44] <th1> pradeep, if you really want to have a gui you can install one of the desktops on your server effectively "upgrading" to xubuntu or ubuntu desktop
[09:45] <cooter> secret901: yes but i disconnected it last night after i got it working and the computer recognized the driver but now i dont even get the option to turn it off and on from network connections
[09:45] <ydur> Pumba no never..i'll take a look
[09:45] <pradeep> th1: how do i do that
[09:45] <juniecho> lockd, oh thanks, but i'm not too familiar with ubuntu so where should i start?
[09:45] <ydur> Pumba what's it about?
[09:45] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: did it work?
[09:45] <Pumba> @ydur it's pretty sweet aye, mostly techno and electronica
[09:45] <secret901> cooter: so this swich is not part of your laptop or your wireless card?
[09:45] <lockd> juniecho: start with udevadm monitor, pull and replug the mouse, and pastebin the results
[09:46] <Severite> IndyGunFreak:  reinstalling the packages corrected it, thank you.  Any idea why it didn't detect/slash install them?
[09:46] <Pumba> @ydur basically music put out by artists with a creative commons license
[09:46] <ydur> Pumba mm..i need something more "universal"..
[09:46] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: because they are restricted apparently...
[09:46] <Pumba> @ydur so indy stuff
[09:46] <th1> pradeep, e.g
[09:46] <pradeep> th1: is it sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <cooter> yes it is a part of the laptop i disonnected the ribbon under neath the keyboard
[09:46] <MasterofPuppets> Hi again all... how do I get to the grub menu exactly? Hitting escape on startup isn't doing anything and I can't edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:46] <Pumba> @ydur how do you mean? What instruments/genres
[09:47] <th1> pradeep, yes but that will install the full gnome desktop and all programs that go with it.. you may want something more lightweight for a server
[09:47] <juniecho> lockd, can you be a bit more... detail? udevadm says 'missing or unknown command'
[09:47] <ydur> Pumba yes..all kind of genres
[09:47] <robin0800> MasterofPuppets: its shift on grub 2
[09:47] <Severite> How would I have done it without them preinstalled on the LIVEcd?
[09:47] <IndyGunFreak> MasterofPuppets: well, menu.list, doesn't exist anymore w/ grub2
[09:47] <matahari> hi guys
[09:47] <th1> pradeep, one could be "sudo aptitude install -R xubuntu-desktop"
[09:47] <pradeep> th1: so what do i do
[09:47] <th1> pradeep, -R meaning "don't install recommended packages only required ones"
[09:47] <ydur> Pumba i used to run amule
[09:47] <th1> pradeep, that keeps it light weight
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> grub2 likes to hide the menu when you dont want it to.. :)
[09:47] <juniecho> lockd, i did udevadm monitor
[09:47] <pradeep> th1: ok
[09:47] <ydur> Pumba now i don't have fastweb anymore
[09:47] <MasterofPuppets> robin0800: Ah, shift is the key to be pressing? K
[09:47] <juniecho> lockd: is this right?
[09:47] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: you'd ahve either had to get a wired connection, or download them in some other way... thank broadcom for being jackasses, not Linux
[09:47] <MasterofPuppets> IndyGunFreak: Any equivalent file?
[09:47] <Pumba> @ydur it has that, basically anything you can think of
[09:48] <Pumba> @ydur, just google it and check it out!
[09:48] <IndyGunFreak> MasterofPuppets: grub.conf i think, but i have no idea how to edit it.
[09:48] <lockd> juniecho: err, that's odd, you should have at least gotten a suggestion to install a certain package
[09:48] <matahari> i am looking for a way to setup an ecnrypted directory where 2 users can write to. All files that the users write to that directory shall be read-and writeable by both users. has someone of you an idea how to solve that? is that possible with ecryptfs? Thanks in advance!
[09:48] <ydur> Pumba ok i'll have a look
[09:48] <MasterofPuppets> IndyGunFreak: I'll just try restarting and hitting shift, thanks @ thanks at robin0800! :)
[09:48] <Dr_Willis> MasterofPuppets:  if using gub2 you really want to edit the proper grub2 config files and rerun update-grub
[09:48] <ydur> Pumba thx
[09:48] <Padron_Toni> Hi everybody! As I didn't find the MINIMAL CD on ubuntu.com, I searched it "manually" and found this:
[09:48] <Padron_Toni> http://www.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[09:48] <Padron_Toni> Is it reliable?
[09:48] <robin0800> IndyGunFreak: /etc/default/grub
[09:48] <FloodBot2> Padron_Toni: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:48] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: were you able to get into the BIOS settings?
[09:48] <juniecho> lockd, sorry it was already installed, i'll pastebin now
[09:48] <Dr_Willis> /etc/default/grub
[09:48] <apuokas> hello, anybody could help with font and flash problems in firefox?
[09:48] <MasterofPuppets> secret901: I don't think so
[09:49] <Pumba> @ydur no probs, hopefully it's what you're looking for
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> Note its 'commented' out. not just set to 0
[09:49] <IndyGunFreak> robin0800: i know that, but i don't think you can edit it easily like youc oudl w/ menu.lst
[09:49] <courpse> Humm, my sendmail is broked.
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> that should alaways force the menu to show.
[09:49] <secret901> MasterofPuppets: how did you install Ubuntu anyhow?
[09:49] <th1> courpse, why are you using sendmail?
[09:49] <juniecho> lockd, here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/305748/
[09:49] <robin0800> IndyGunFreak: well i can
[09:49] <courpse> Um, why not?
[09:49] <dvrvm> good morning. just upgraded my server to karmic, now the system won't boot because the file system doesn't mount anymore... known problem?
[09:49] <MasterofPuppets> secret901: Downloaded the karmic image from the main site and installed
[09:49] <IndyGunFreak> robin0800: hmm, maybe its something i'm doing.. i've not really messed much w/ it
[09:49] <th1> courpse, because it's so 80's? ;)
[09:50] <lockd> juniecho: it seems to be provided by package 'udev', which if you don't have that's scary
[09:50] <courpse> Usually works fine.
[09:50] <robin0800> IndyGunFreak:  it uses uuid's
[09:50] <th1> courpse, but it's a monster to set up and maintain
[09:50] <IndyGunFreak> hmm
[09:50] <secret901> cooter: I'm not sure how to help you.  I think you should get that wireless light working again and see if Ubuntu would recognize the card again.
[09:51] <courpse> Well i have my own mail server, well at least did tell sending out going msgs failed, ;/
[09:51] <juniecho> lockd, i tried apt-get install udev and it reports that udev is installed and latest version.
[09:51] <Severite> Is there a good place to read up on how to install various things, and otherwise learn the ropes for this OS?  My last foray was xandros, and I ended up just giving up on it.
[09:51] <courpse> Now i cant send out with anyting it seems.
[09:51]  * MasterofPuppets is going to go try shift
[09:51] <lockd> juniecho: then I'm not sure why udevadm would be missing
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> Severite:  theres's 100's of sites for learning linux, and ubuntu basics. :) depends on where you want to start.
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> !training
[09:51] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: lots of sights.
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> Severite:  theres the gnome docs for starters
[09:51] <jimbeam12> anyone use lm-sensors
[09:52] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: google "Ubuntu guide" or "ubuntu pocket guide".. something like that... its a PDF that is useful... if you can't find it, i can email it to you
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> Severite:  since 9.10 just came out - some guides/docs might be a little out of date also. but the core fundamentals still apply
[09:52] <smegzor> What happened to freecell in 9.10?  Its completely missing!  My wife is mad at me for losing her favourite game :O
[09:52] <lockd> juniecho: but, did you do a clean install or an upgrade?
[09:52] <juniecho> lockd, udevadm was not missing. sorry i just made a mistake by not trying 'udevadm monitor'. i just did 'udevadm' and it just required 'monitor'
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> smegzor:  instgall pysol  :) it has 2000+ solitare variants
[09:53] <Severite> Ok, thank you, I will go see if I can track it down
[09:53] <th1> smegzor, you're right it's missing!
[09:53] <juniecho> locked, so i did 'udevadm monitor', and plugged out & in the mouse and it gave me this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/305748/
[09:53] <lockd> pysol is gone!
[09:53] <th1> smegzor, maybe you can install it from the old version
[09:53] <juniecho> locked: sorry i gave you confusion
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> Severite:  check the ubuntu links at -> http://delicious.com  also
[09:53] <IndyGunFreak> Severite: http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/index_main.html
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> lockd:  its pysol-ng now i think.
[09:54] <lockd> well I mean it's not in apt
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> lockd:  i thinki had to get it from the web site last time also. been a while
[09:54] <smegzor> th1: I hope so or I'm in a lot of trouble!
[09:54] <dariuzas> maybe enybody know how to fix internet speed on ubuntu 9.10 ?
[09:54] <mesa> http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7Bcc6d7125-7648-46e8-955d-ffcca926dce2%7D.gif
[09:54] <robin0800> Severite: the built in help is quite good IMHO
[09:54] <mesa> whoops
[09:54] <mesa> wrong window
[09:54] <FloodBot2> mesa: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> lockd:  i always set it up on the friends windows bpxs :)
[09:54] <smegzor> of all the daft things to remove from Ubuntu.
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> smegzor:  i got IsleRiot solitare here
[09:55] <lockd> juniecho: well it detects the mouse all right, so it's probably X. anyway was this a clean install?
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> AisleRiot is a part of GNOME Games
[09:55] <juniecho> lockd, yes it was a clean install
[09:55] <lockd> juniecho: yeah, that makes it worse
[09:55] <dariuzas> maybe enybody know how to fix internet speed on ubuntu 9.10 ?
[09:55] <lockd> juniecho: can you paste the xorg log?
[09:56] <lockd> juniecho: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:56] <juniecho> lockd, what is the xorg log and how can i get access to it?
[09:56] <juniecho> lockd: thanks
[09:57] <Severite> I got beaten on trying to manually compile programs that wouldn't load with the autocompiler, most things (games, mostly) just wouldn't seem to load.  I appreciate all the help
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> what 'autocompiler' ?
[09:57] <juniecho> lockd: it's too long but here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/305751/
[09:57] <crypto_> I need to remove my old kernels from the boot menu
[09:57] <crypto_> ow should i do it
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> Severite:  a lot depends on the exact program/package/whaterver  ;)
[09:58] <crypto_> How*
[09:58] <ki4cgp> dariuzas, I'm in the same boat as you.  I think it's a DNS issue.  I think it is getting hung up while trying to find the IP.  Once on a site, it seems to work fine until the server name changes
[09:58] <Severite> xandros utility that would install random programs
[09:58] <smegzor> Dr_Willis: She wants her old solitaire game back.  Nothing else is as good.
[09:58] <Dr_Willis> crypto_:  that system -> admin -> computer janitor tool can remove them.. but i would always leave at least one 'old' kenrel installed.
[09:58] <smegzor> Removing female friendly games from an OS is dangerous. :)
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> smegzor:  girls dont use linux... go install hello-kitty  games for her.
[09:59] <apuokas> smegzor, dual boot with windows for that game then :)
[09:59] <apuokas> wine could help too
[09:59] <smegzor> she already dual boots, but only for the tv (tuner)
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> My wife likes pysol.
[09:59] <crypto_> I have four boot options too kernels and two recovery
[09:59] <Pumba> So ... 5.56 or 7.62?