[12:00] <Tenniru> Cool.
[12:01] <Tenniru> Got it.
[12:01] <Tenniru> I'm also going to attempt installing the Opera deb, as Firefox doesn't work for me.
[12:01] <ogra> Tenniru: drop it in your home folder
[12:01] <ogra> Tenniru: open a terminal
[12:02] <Tenniru> Root?
[12:02] <ogra> Tenniru: if you like, both is fine
[12:02] <Tenniru> Yay
[12:03] <ogra> Tenniru: so root term ?
[12:03] <Tenniru> yes
[12:03] <ogra> Tenniru: ok type: dpkg -i mplayer_1.0-pre5-0.3g3_powerpc.deb
[12:03] <will> any one know how to make a ubuntu boot floppy?
[12:03] <ogra> Tenniru: copy n paste is your friend ;)
[12:04] <Tenniru> Or tab completion.
[12:04] <ogra> Tenniru: yes ;)
[12:10] <makia> has anyone gotten psi to work with SSL on ubuntu?
[12:10] <LinuxJones> will, look @ the man page for mkboot. I don't think that it will work because the 2.6 kernel is rather large but give it a try and see what happens :)
[12:11] <will> linuxjones: thanks is it on the ubuntu website?
[12:12] <LinuxJones> will, in console type man mkboot
[12:13] <LinuxJones> will, Even better would be to download the Ubuntu Live CD and use that as a recovery tool ;)
[12:14] <schweeb> GOOD LUCK THIS WEEKEND BOYZ!  The package is BROKEN!
[12:16] <Tenniru> I'll just use xine.
[12:17] <ogra> Tenniru: ok, thats weird.....you should uninstall it with: dpkg -r mplayer
[12:20] <ThreeDayMonk> I edited my XF86Config file and broke it :-)  I get a nice ascii-graphics error message to tell me this, but the detailed X server output is just a generic message.    Can I just change my sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade to get ubuntu or do I have to install from cd?
[12:25] <jdub> nullboy: you can, but it's not recommended
[12:25] <ogra> nullboy: only woody: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[12:26] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, >> cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[12:26] <ThreeDayMonk> LinuxJones: ah, thanks; that's what I couldn't remember
[12:26] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, ;)
[12:26] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm trying to get my triple-monitor setup working :-)
[12:27] <ogra> wooh
[12:27] <ThreeDayMonk> I've got two out of three so far - the PCI ATI card is OK, and the left screen on the nVidia dual-head is working
[12:27] <ThreeDayMonk> can't get the right one up though :-(
[12:27] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, you have 3 monitors ?   Thanks guys.
[12:28] <ThreeDayMonk> I had a totally crap computer before, but a nice 17" panel, and the replacement computer came with 2 more, so I bought a second PCI video card for the full three-monitor Matrix effect :-)
[12:29] <stvn> nullboy: if you are comfortable with version selection in aptitude, you can upgrade from testing
[12:29] <ThreeDayMonk> actually, is anyone else using an nVidia dual-head card?
[12:29] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: r0x0r3d O.o
[12:29] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, I want a photo of that when you get it up and running :)
[12:29] <stvn> nullboy: it's quite some work to get all the dependencies right for ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop, but other than that, it runs fine
[12:30] <devolve> anyone successfully installed ubuntu onto a SATA drive?
[12:30] <ThreeDayMonk> LinuxJones: sure - just help me configure this last monitor :-)
[12:30] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: I've tried getting my tv out + monitor going with my nVdia card does that count?
[12:30] <jdub> devolve: yeah
[12:30] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: I think so
[12:30] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, like I said I have 1 monitor and that's enough for me to handle :D
[12:30] <socomm> s/nVdia/nVidia
[12:31] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: you have it working, then?
[12:31] <ThreeDayMonk> using the nvidia driver?
[12:31] <LinuxJones> ThreeDayMonk, when you get it working you should write a HowTo and put it on the Wiki.
[12:31] <ThreeDayMonk> I will
[12:31] <kapputu> hi folks
[12:31] <ThreeDayMonk> ...when the Wiki is ported
[12:31] <LinuxJones> kapputu, hi
[12:31] <ogra> kapputu: hi
[12:31] <kapputu> just when I was extolling the coolness of ubuntu to everyone, it disappointed me
[12:32] <devolve> jdub: did it show up when you were editing the partition table?
[12:32] <jdub> devolve: yeah
[12:32] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: nope, you can only get tvout with the nvidia driver. The nv driver does not support that.
[12:32] <kapputu> hi ogra, LinuxJones
[12:32] <jdub> devolve: what sata chipset do you have?
[12:32] <kapputu> yesterday night, my battery died out and my machine restarted
[12:32] <devolve> jdub: Nforce3 250mb
[12:32] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: Go through nVidia's README, it should be explained there how to get things going.
[12:32] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: yeah - the nv driver doesn't do dual, either, so I'm using the commercial driver
[12:32] <kapputu> did a disk check and booted again
[12:32] <kapputu> without sound !!
[12:32] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: good luck.
[12:32] <nullboy> quit
[12:32] <kapputu> my sound card shows up under device manager
[12:32] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: thanks - is that README on line or somewhere on my disk?
[12:33] <kapputu> but when I started alsa, it says no soundcards
[12:33] <jdub> devolve: you might want to try dropping to a console (alt-f2) and doing a modprobe sata_nv
[12:33] <kapputu> this is weird
[12:33] <devolve> jdub: not sure this isn't a hardware configuration issue not related to os...
[12:33] <kapputu> any ideas guys ?
[12:33] <ogra> kapputu: volome-control works ?
[12:33] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: should be in your /usr/share/docs/nvidia or something
[12:33] <kapputu> no
[12:33] <ogra> kapputu: whats the error ?
[12:33] <kapputu> no sound
[12:33] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: and of course it's online, should be on the same page when you downloaded the drivers off the nvidia site.
[12:33] <devolve> jdub: cannot install os yet.  only free drive is sata.  all others ntfs with data I eventally want on them...
[12:33] <ogra> kapputu: if you use vol-contr. do you get an error ?
[12:34] <kapputu> no
[12:34] <kapputu> but it gets back to zero
[12:34] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: I just installed the package using apt-get, so I never saw the page; that's why I was asking
[12:34] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: I'll try to get you a link give me a sec.
[12:34] <ogra> kapputu: everything unmuted ?
[12:34] <jdub> devolve: when the installer boots, jump to a console...
[12:34] <kapputu> baah i convinced my manager today to switch to ubuntu
[12:35] <kapputu> and i come back and see this
[12:35] <kapputu> i cannot increase sound
[12:35] <ogra> kapputu: does lsmod|grep mixer give any output in a terminal ?
[12:35] <kapputu> nope
[12:35] <socomm> kapputu: you'll need to change permissions to your /dev/dsp
[12:36] <devolve> jdub: gotcha
[12:36] <kapputu> there is no dsp under dev
[12:36] <ogra> kapputu: try: sudo modprobe snd_pcm_oss
[12:36] <ogra> kapputu: and: sudo modprobe snd_mixer_oss
[12:36] <socomm> kapputu: /.dev ?
[12:36] <Acridien> I can't load an usb device
[12:42] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6111/README.txt
[12:42] <Acridien> it just detects it
[12:42] <Echramath> Er, could somebody tell me what the "custom" actually means in mplayer-custom?
[12:42] <devolve> jdub: modprobe sata_nv <enter>    does nothing.  I get a # again..
[12:42] <jdub> devolve: that's good
[12:42] <Acridien> but no information about the device name or driver
[12:42] <jdub> devolve: now go through the rest of the process
[12:42] <jdub> Kamion: dude?
[12:42] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: There's a section on dual monitors there, If I recall correctly.
[12:42] <kapputu> ok i did the modprobes
[12:42] <kapputu> socomm, i have a dsp under .dev
[12:42] <kapputu> and dsp0, dsp1, dsp2
[12:42] <socomm> kapputu: that should be it.
[12:42] <ogra> kapputu: dont touch .dev
[12:42] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: yeah - found it; thanks
[12:42] <kapputu> ok
[12:42] <socomm> ls -l dsp0
[12:42] <ogra> kapputu: look at you vol-control
[12:42] <ogra> your
[12:42] <kapputu> crw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   3 2004-10-21 17:39 dsp0
[12:42] <kapputu> i did Ohmer
[12:42] <kapputu> oops
[12:42] <kapputu> i did ogra
[12:42] <ogra> *g*
[12:42] <kapputu> i can't increase the volume
[12:42] <kapputu> i mean i can't even open volume control
[12:42] <kapputu> no mixer elements or devices found
[12:42] <ogra> kapputu: log out and in again, the modules should have solved it
[12:42] <socomm> kapputu: chmod 777 /.dev/dsp0
[12:42] <socomm> kapputu: though that's a bit off a security risk.
[12:42] <devolve> jdub: it does not show up under partition disks... I get ide1 master/slave, and ide5 master... all ntfs partitions.  have new shiny spanking wd200gb SATA hooked up to SATA3 in there.
[12:42] <kapputu> socomm, i'll do what ogra said for now and if it doesn't work i'll follow what you said
[12:42] <kapputu> i hope you understand
[12:42] <socomm> okay.
[12:42] <jdub> devolve: ok, one sec
[12:42] <kapputu> hope to be back with good news guys
[12:42] <kapputu> adios
[12:42] <jdub> Kamion: ping
[12:42] <devolve> jdub: I see nothing about said drive in post.  That could be my problem.
[12:42] <jdub> devolve: aha
[12:42] <jdub> make sure the sata interface is enabled, etc
[12:42] <jdub> it's there for safety
[12:42] <ogra> jdub: not here
[12:42] <ogra> jdub: at least not in ~
[12:42] <sysop> Just finished installing Ubuntu 15 minutes ago. Great OS! Works perfectly.
[12:42] <delire> has anyone else has problems installing at the point of bsdutils and nautilus???
[12:42] <ogra> sysop: nice to hear
[12:42] <Kamion> jdub: hmm?
[12:43] <LinuxJones> sysop, it is very impressive isn't it :)
[12:58] <delire> i can't install ubuntu it seems sadly. i've tried 7 cd's all have failed at these points
[12:58] <sysop> very impressive...clean, simple, easy to use and install
[12:58] <jdub> Kamion: ideas on devolve's sata_nv stuff? only solutions i've heard is loading the driver
[12:58] <jdub> Kamion: might be a bios config issue though
[12:58] <Kamion> not offhand, if that's actually the correct driver?
[12:58] <jdub> yeah, it's nforce3
[12:58] <delire> i really can't go on burning more cd's, so i'll go with good old debian..
[12:58] <Kamion> there've been a few SATA issues solved by BIOS tweaking
[12:58] <Kamion> delire: sounds like you're burning at too high a speed; those files are correct in the ISO
[12:58] <ogra> delire: did you burn at _very_ low speed ? and checked the md5 sums ?
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: i'm burning at 2 times
[12:58] <Kamion> delire: try going back to the main menu and running the verification check
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: ok
[12:58] <Kamion> there seem to be a lot of unreliable burners out there
[12:58] <ogra> seems like, odd
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: but the debian CD's work fine
[12:58] <Kamion> delire: the Ubuntu CDs have worked fine for a lot of people too
[12:58] <Kamion> you could wait for pressed CDs ...
[12:58] <ThreeDayMonk> woohoo!
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: i can't no time. i fly to norway in the morning to give a conference.
[12:58] <ThreeDayMonk> triple-screen xinerama desktop
[12:58] <Kamion> ah
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: how to use usb memory stick with ubuntu ?
[12:58] <kapputu> ok ogra, your suggestion din't work
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: thanks anyway! the debian CD's worked so i'll run with those
[12:58] <Kamion> delire: sorry, but it *is* a classic symptom of bad CD :(
[12:58] <Kamion> I'm not sure why it tends to fail in the base system and not beforehand
[12:58] <Kamion> maybe we just get less clear reports in the latter case
[12:58] <LinuxJones> delire, your md5 checksum is ok on the .iso you downloaded ?
[12:58] <delire> Kamion: quite possibly..
[12:58] <ogra> Kamion: if your german can cope with it: http://www.deppenleerzeichen.de/ ;)
[12:58] <delire> LinuxJones: yep that's fine
[12:58] <devolve> jdub: sata3+4 are enabled, will try enabling sata3/sata4 dma transfer... I know this is a little off topic...
[12:58] <jdub> devolve: no, it's an install issue ;)
[12:58] <kapputu> i want to fix this thing so that I can gloat as to how Ubuntu is a good distro
[12:58] <stvn> delire: stop by in .nl and you can get a nicely working cd ;)
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: what kind of aoundcard
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: I can't make my usb memory stick to functional state
[12:58] <delire> stvn: hehe maybe in march ;)
[12:58] <kapputu> ess allegro laptop
[12:58] <delire> stvn: for now good ol' debian. maybe with my next lappie
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: did you try chmoding your /.dev/dsp0?
[12:58] <stvn> delire: debian is good anyway ;)
[12:58] <kapputu> no was it chmod 777 ?
[12:58] <delire> stvn: i've been happy with it for 4 years
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: yeah, or 770
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: hmm, type dmesg |tail -10 in a terminal and look for usb messages after plugging in
[12:58] <delire> stvn: just not good when you need a working system ina n hour ;)
[12:58] <kapputu> ok then ?
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: what is dmesg already ?
[12:58] <stvn> delire: me too, this box has been running debian for at least 4 years without reinstall
[12:58] <Kamion> ogra: heh, I can make out enough to be amused
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: try that and then run aumix
[12:58] <ogra> Kamion: *g*
[12:58] <stvn> delire: true, must say ubuntu solved that problem for me
[12:58] <ThreeDayMonk> Acridien: shows you the kernel messages - the ones that scroll by when booting
[12:58] <kapputu> cannot find aumix
[12:58] <Acridien> ThreeDayMonk: tx
[12:58] <socomm> apt-get install aumix
[12:58] <kapputu> yep i'm doing that
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: its an driver issue, else youd see dsp in /dev
[12:58] <LinuxJones> delire, you should have a backup image of your system @ all times :)
[12:58] <kapputu> well it worked before
[12:58] <kapputu> I'd hate to install Ubuntu again
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: shows your system messages
[12:58] <delire> LinuxJones: ?
[12:58] <kapputu> aumix - error opening mixer
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: so lets sort it out
[12:58] <kapputu> yep
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: same thing happens on my brothers login, I just change the permissions on dsp and everything is kosher
[12:58] <delire> LinuxJones: with debian? no.. not on my 5 machines
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: minus the gnome-applet
[12:58] <kapputu> sure socomm
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[12:58] <Acridien> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[12:58] <Acridien> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[12:58] <Acridien> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 6
[12:58] <Acridien> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 8
[12:58] <kapputu> hmm minus ??
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: nothing more
[12:58] <socomm> The little speaker on your panel won't work.
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: what kind of soundcard ?
[12:58] <LinuxJones> delire, for quick emergency type situations you should have a backup of your system that can easily be restored in like 15 mins :)
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: so your device is there, thats good....
[12:58] <kapputu> pci, ess1988 allegro
[12:58] <socomm> ogra his soundcard works. It's just that something is fscked.
[12:58] <RubenV> anyone knows what you have to do if your firefox quick searches are gone?
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: yeah but i don't know how to locate it in the fs
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: have you tried running esd?
[12:58] <RubenV> i can't use the google box anymore
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: and write on it
[12:58] <kapputu> no
[12:58] <kapputu> esd - /dev/dsp : no such file or directory
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: it should mount automagically.....
[12:58] <socomm> RubenV: what to do? commit suicide. :^P
[12:58] <Acridien> ogra: where
[12:58] <delire> LinuxJones: these are two brand new laptops. sadly the cd's i burnt for ubuntu have bad lines so no go for tonight.
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: ln -s /.dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: as root
[12:58] <ogra> Acridien: on your desktop :(
[12:58] <kapputu> ok
[12:58] <kapputu> done
[12:58] <socomm> RubenV: something probably fscked with your chrome configuration.
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: does esd work now?
[12:58] <kapputu> no
[12:58] <kapputu> same error
[12:58] <LinuxJones> delire, that is just bad luck :(
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: i think its sudo modprobe snd-es1938 , but not sure....
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: cd /dev, ls -l dsp
[12:58] <devolve> jdub: still no sata drive showing up in partitoner.  feel cheated for settling for a socket754 solution instead of going the next step to socket939.  socket754 deadends at my 3200+, maybe I could go up to 3400+... msi k8 neo.
[12:58] <cardador> anyone knows how to get gtk applicatins looking good?
[12:58] <stvn> night all
[12:58] <kapputu> ogra, sudo modprobe es1938 worked
[12:58] <kapputu> i mean there was no error
[12:58] <socomm> cardador: use your imagination. :^)
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: vol ?
[12:58] <devolve> but it should be doable.......
[12:58] <LinuxJones> cardador, you mean the fonts ?
[12:58] <lifeless> I bought my girlfriend an AMD64 yesterday.
[12:58] <kapputu> socomm, lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           10 2004-10-27 18:54 dsp -> /.dev/dsp0
[12:58] <socomm> LinuxJones: I think he means the widgets
[12:58] <cardador> LinuxJones: i mean buttons, etc
[12:58] <cardador> yap
[12:58] <lifeless> installed ubuntu i386, works perfectly.
[12:58] <kapputu> ogra, same error
[12:58] <cardador> and its gtk, not gtk2
[12:58] <lifeless> installed ubuntu amd64, get kernel oops.
[12:58] <lifeless> :[
[12:58] <kapputu> no mixer elements found
[12:58] <jdub> lifeless: d'oh
[12:58] <jdub> lifeless: nforce3 based?
[12:58] <lifeless> any suggestions ?
[12:58] <lifeless> jdub: ack
[12:58] <devolve> lifeless, did you install onto a sata drive?
[12:58] <socomm> cardador: try install bluecurve
[12:58] <lifeless> devolve: nope
[12:58] <jdub> lifeless: bug Mithrandir :)
[12:58] <lifeless> all plain ol ide
[12:58] <socomm> cardador: actually scratch that.
[12:58] <lifeless> Mithrandir: P I N G
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: found the right module
[12:58] <socomm> kapputu: don't know.
[12:58] <UnIData> how to stop or start an service ?
[12:58] <socomm> UnIData: /etc/init.d/service stop|start|restart
[12:58] <ogra> kapputu: sudo modprobe snd-maestro3
[12:58] <LinuxJones> UnIData, /etc/init.d/<service script name > start stop restart
[12:58] <kapputu> Great !! ogra, it works
[12:59] <devolve> ok... well, i tried booting the ubuntu live cd, but I guess that did not work because it is i386 instead of amd64...
[12:59] <ogra> kapputu: but that it not gets loaded on boot is weird....
[12:59] <ThreeDayMonk> grr... is there any way to stop gnome from always popping up new windows in front?
[12:59] <kapputu> what could have happened, that made it stop from loading it on boot ?
[12:59] <devolve> anyone know of a 64bit live distro I could boot off of to check to see what's going on?
[12:59] <kapputu> it was working till it got restarted
[01:00] <UnIData> and when restart the computer how to start an service
[01:00] <Kamion> lifeless: I'd be inclined to paste the oops into a bug report
[01:00] <kapputu> and how do i load it on boot ?
[01:00] <splinta> so...where would one get a set of backgrounds that quite naturally devlops the story line hinted at in the inter-racial triad ? ;o)
[01:00] <Kamion> lifeless: might require a bit of transcribing though
[01:00] <ogra> kapputu: look if hotplug is working.... try running the device manager
[01:00] <devolve> or should I just be able to use a 32bit one?
[01:01] <kapputu> ok i think hotplug is not working
[01:01] <ogra> kapputu: thats the error
[01:01] <HrdwrBoB> sysop: :)
[01:01] <kapputu> th reason is, I used to get an error about pciehp.ko and sh..ko not being modprobed
[01:01] <kapputu> i dint get it in the last two reboots
[01:01] <splinta> i'd like to try it...whats the ship time to us if i order a set mailed ?
[01:01] <UnIData> and when restart the computer how to start an service
[01:01] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: Computer->Desktop Preferences->Windows
[01:02] <ogra> mdz .... look some lines above
[01:02] <LinuxJones> sysop, I hated Gnome until I installed Ubuntu and actually gave it a chance. I would neve go back to KDE :P
[01:02] <kapputu> ogra, i don't get u
[01:02] <ogra> kapputu: ??
[01:02] <stuNNed> hi all
[01:02] <UnIData> and when restart the computer how to start an service.In fedora is chkconfig service on ...
[01:02] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: no, not there :-(
[01:02] <sysop> LinuxJones: Agreed, I thought KDE was it...glad I foubnd out different
[01:02] <kapputu> oh i thought u were saying something to me
[01:02] <ThreeDayMonk> socomm: I got triple monitors working, by the way
[01:02] <LinuxJones> UnIData, you use update-rc.d
[01:02] <devolve> <breaking out the gentoo amd64 disk>
[01:02] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: Bastard!
[01:03] <ThreeDayMonk> photos coming shortly
[01:03] <stuNNed> so with ubuntu i can get debs from debian apt repo's?
[01:03] <kapputu> ThreeDayMonk, I might need your help with that
[01:03] <splinta> those hotties in the 'banned' backgrounds is worth instaklling for ;o)
[01:03] <LinuxJones> sysop, the only app I miss is K3b  really :)
[01:03] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: Don't think there's a configuration app for metacity.
[01:03] <Kamion> stuNNed: we recommend against that, it can cause amusing incompatibilities.
[01:03] <stuNNed> Kamion: ok thanks
[01:03] <socomm> ThreeDayMonk: try googling for a metacity-setup app or something, that or switch to another wm.
[01:03] <jdub> splinta: they weren't 'banned' -> install ubuntu-calendar
[01:04] <splinta> ;o)
[01:04] <ogra> kapputu: you can just ignore the errors ..... according to mdz tey are just cosmetic (even if the just generated an hour of support)
[01:04] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: I'm going to write it up - it is actually very simple apart from the tedious XF86Config-4 editing
[01:04] <sysop> LinuxJones: True, but I hear that won't be missing from Ubuntu for long! :-)
[01:04] <splinta> any more.. ??
[01:04] <Kamion> stuNNed: use the Ubuntu 'universe' repository instead if you want stuff not in the supported set; it's Debian compiled against Ubuntu, basically
[01:04] <kapputu> hmm but it consumes time and I would like the bootup to be faster
[01:04] <kapputu> anyway how do I start hotplug ?
[01:04] <ogra> kapputu: start your hotplug on boot please, a lot of hw depends on it
[01:05] <stuNNed> Kamion: ah ok, is ubuntu binary distro or source distro? how is laptop support? any DSDT support out of the box?
[01:05] <kapputu> it got turned off somehow
[01:05] <splinta> jdub...whats the mail time for a pressed set >
[01:05] <mdz> ogra: hotplug is set up correctly by default; if there is a problem, it has nothing to do with those messages
[01:05] <lifeless> Kamion: I'll see if Mithrandir wants that first - hey may tell me to go play with my other toys
[01:05] <LinuxJones> sysop, how's that ?
[01:05] <sabdfl> stuNNed: please check universe/multiverse packages for security and licence issues, we don't review them with the same intensity as we do main, if at all
[01:05] <ogra> mdz: he disabled hotplug because of them :(
[01:05] <kapputu> no I dint disable them
[01:05] <stuNNed> sabdfl: ok, danke
[01:05] <Kamion> stuNNed: binary; very good on some, still varies, working on it; no idea
[01:05] <jdub> splinta: should be november
[01:06] <kapputu> i was going to fix  it sometime though
[01:06] <splinta> current or next release ?
[01:06] <jdub> current
[01:06] <jdub> next release is final in april
[01:06] <sysop> LinuxJones: I read in an interview with Ubuntu developers that K3B is something they want to incorporate in future releases.
[01:06] <ogra> kapputu: but you switched off hotplug
[01:06] <kapputu> ogra,I said I din't
[01:06] <ogra> mdz: sorry.....
[01:07] <kapputu> I think it got turned off after the hard reboot yesterday
[01:07] <splinta> tell mark i think he should make a 'special' editon...if you know what i mean,....this linus stuff could do with some spicing up
[01:07] <splinta> linux** even
[01:07] <sysop> LinuxJones: They may add KDE too, but I'm not sure? I'm sold on Gnome now anyway! :-)
[01:07] <RubenV> booo KDE ;)
[01:07] <TheMuso> sysop: I dare say that would rather push for better GNOME cd burning software.
[01:07] <kapputu> ok ogra, how do I start hotplug ?
[01:07] <ogra> kapputu: could you try a reboot and look if hotplug gets started, please
[01:07] <TheMuso> As the distro focus is GNOME and GTK.
[01:07] <LinuxJones> sysop, I hope so it's one of the best cd/dvd burning apps on any platform :)
[01:08] <kapputu> ok gimme a min or two
[01:08] <mirak_> hi hi
[01:08] <sysop> TheMuso: Is there better Gnome cd burning software??? I'd like to see it too!
[01:08] <TheMuso> sysop: Not currently AFAIK, but it is certainly coming. IMO K3B is quite clunky.
[01:09] <TheMuso> But I have always found QT apps quite clunky. :)
[01:09] <sabdfl> Kamion: binary with source!
[01:09] <SmokingFire> TheMuso: thats what I was just about to say
[01:09] <MyKq3> i want to undersend some thingy .... i can't hear two sound services inthe same time . is it becuse I have a problem with the sound card pipline ?
[01:09] <SmokingFire> QT: Lets make things complicated
[01:10] <TheMuso> SmokingFire: Agreed, and inaccessible for people with vision imparements. :)
[01:10] <Cube-ness> qt is actually pretty nice to code in
[01:10] <RubenV> QT is usability hell
[01:10] <SmokingFire> Cube-ness: I know, there is nothing wrong with the framework, just the applications seem to be bloated.
[01:10] <ubiq> hi guys
[01:10] <mirak_> hi'
[01:10] <sysop> hello
[01:11] <LinuxJones> ubiq, hi
[01:11] <Cube-ness> RubenV, anybody canmake an unusable aoo in any api
[01:11] <Cube-ness> app
[01:11] <ubiq> why am i registered as ubiq?
[01:11] <socomm> ubiq: shouldn't be ubik?
[01:11] <TheMuso> SmokingFire: I have had more problems in the past building QT apps on Slackware then I did GTK based apps.
[01:11] <ubiq> i did register as ctalkep
[01:11] <ubiq> blah
[01:11] <jdub> dudes, let's not have the desktop debates here
[01:11] <socomm> ubiq: `/nick ctalkep'
[01:11] <sysop> jdub: agreed!
[01:11] <ctalkep> 10x:)
[01:12] <SmokingFire> For example take konquerer, I just want to browse my home directory but it presents me with what 500 options.
[01:12] <mirak_> lol.....tru
[01:12] <socomm> ctalkep: don't forget '/msg NickServ IDENTIFY password' to ID yourself.
[01:12] <socomm> GNOME, KDE? Pffft, N00bs!
[01:13] <mirak_> hahahaha
[01:13] <TheMuso> lol
[01:13] <ctalkep> guys, i want to add some bulgarian mirrors to my sources.list since i am located in bulgaria. i insert the URL, yet synaptic tells me malformated line or something
[01:13] <sysop> lol
[01:13] <ctalkep> what do i do wrong?
[01:13] <SmokingFire> yeah the explorer.exe is the best desktop enverioment.
[01:13] <Cube-ness> i usually end up using wxWidgets for my apps
[01:13] <ogra> socomm: so what shall we use ?
[01:13] <kapputu> ogra,hotplug doesnt start
[01:13] <ctalkep> socomm, i will remember, thanks
[01:13] <socomm> SmokingFire: Try csh.
[01:14] <sysop> SmokingFire: ROTFLMAO
[01:14] <socomm> ctalkep: you probably a 'malformed' url.
[01:14] <ogra> kapputu: ok.... look in /etc/rcS.d for S40hotplug, if there is nothing, tell me if there is /etc/init.d/hotplug
[01:14] <ctalkep> socomm, but it is working, i mean i am able to open it in firefox....
[01:14] <SmokingFire> socomm: I prefer using stuff where I can do it without thinking like riding a bicycle. console makes me think.
[01:15] <kapputu> there is sym link
[01:15] <SmokingFire> I do a lot of actions without consciously thinking about it.
[01:16] <kapputu> symlink to init.d/hotplug
[01:16] <ogra> kapputu: and in init.d ?
[01:16] <kapputu> no there is no hotplug there
[01:16] <ogra> kapputu: argh
[01:16] <socomm> SmokingFire: I rather think than get a bad case of carpal tunnel syndrome.
[01:17] <mirak_>  lol
[01:17] <Acridien> What are the kernel modules to handle usb devices ????
[01:17] <SmokingFire> socomm: Aah I have a real nice mousepad with a wrist rest.
[01:17] <kapputu> ok I reinstall ?
[01:17] <Acridien> I think one is missing
[01:17] <ThreeDayMonk> mice are an ergonomic disaster area
[01:18] <socomm> SmokingFire: call me back when you're older and get wrist cramps.
[01:18] <ogra> kapputu: sudo apt-get install --reinstall hotplug
[01:18] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm in the market for a good trackball
[01:18] <socomm> kapputu: you don't need to reinstall. It will only give you a fresh slate of problems.
[01:18] <|trey|> ogra: while you're at it, man dpkg too  ;)
[01:18] <ogra> |trey|: lol, thanks
[01:19] <Kamion> sabdfl: quite :-)
[01:19] <sabdfl> ;-)
[01:20] <|trey|> ogra, --reinstall annoys me... dpkg is for local packages... already downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives so you use dpkg  ;)
[01:20] <billytwowilly> Hi, I try to try out the livecd but when I boot it up it says "grub error 25"
[01:20] <Cube-ness> ergonomics == euphamism for 'let me have more scapegoats with which to justify my bitchiness'
[01:20] <kapputu> ok ogra, I reinstalled it
[01:20] <ThreeDayMonk> I disagree
[01:21] <bwlang> billytwowilly: i think your system can't boot a grub bootable cd... you may have to make a floppy boot disk to get started..
[01:21] <|trey|> billytwowilly, what kinda hardware you installing on?
[01:21] <ThreeDayMonk> If I use a mouse, my wrist hurts.  If I stop using a mouse for a day, it goes away
[01:21] <ogra> |trey|: in fact its one more step to make sure the package is actually in the local archive.....
[01:21] <stuNNed> do i want the 'live' version of the i386 iso to install or just warty-release-install-i386.iso?
[01:21] <billytwowilly> bwlang: I have a laptop. brand new centrino dothan based chip.. works fine with knoppix
[01:21] <ogra> kapputu: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug start
[01:21] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, my wrists are numb, i r teh lucky  :)
[01:21] <ThreeDayMonk> umm...
[01:22] <GotD0t> hi
[01:22] <kapputu> cannot find hotplug
[01:22] <|trey|> kapputu, its installed by default... you remove it?
[01:22] <bwlang> billytwowilly:i don't know if knoppix uses grub to boot...
[01:22] <ThreeDayMonk> the Happy Hacking keyboard is wondeful - it's so small and light that you can easily position it just right
[01:22] <kapputu> its in /sbin
[01:22] <kapputu> and I started it
[01:22] <kapputu> how I do I get it to init.d ?
[01:22] <ogra> |trey|: it broke by a powerloss
[01:23] <|trey|> ogra, I suck at paying attention, what did?
[01:23] <kapputu> trey hotplug
[01:23] <ThreeDayMonk> that reminds me - what are those two modprobe messages - shpchp and pciehp?  they fail on every machine and slow down boot, and I'd like to get rid of them
[01:23] <stuNNed> so do i want the 'live' install iso or the regular?
[01:24] <bwlang> billytwowilly: i don't mean grub won't work on your system ... just that it might not work to boot a cd... there's funkyness involved.
[01:24] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, shpchp = raid, not sure what the other is...
[01:24] <ogra> kapputu: thats bad....
[01:24] <ThreeDayMonk> ah, pci express hotplug
[01:24] <kapputu> a reinstall would suck
[01:24] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, that would make sense... not to worry if you don't have raid or pcix though  :/
[01:24] <ogra> kapputu: there shold be the init-d script after reinstall
[01:25] <|trey|> kapputu, bah.. takes like 20 mins  :/
[01:25] <kapputu> this is not Windows, this is supposed to good
[01:25] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm not worried, but if I can disable them easily, I'll do so
[01:25] <stuNNed> n/m guys i figured it out doh :)
[01:25] <kapputu> ok |trey| what about the time spent configuring my wireless card, mplayer etc..
[01:25] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, I don't really understand why they are loaded, but yeah... I just ignore that  :)
[01:25] <ogra> kapputu: so lets follow trey, probably dpkg is better here....
[01:25] <kapputu> ok
[01:26] <billytwowilly> bwlang: oh well thanks for the help. I'll try it on the desktop downstairs
[01:26] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: if it's not a laptop, do what I did - save headaches by purchasing a wireless bridge
[01:26] <kapputu> it's a laptop
[01:26] <ThreeDayMonk> ah...
[01:26] <bwlang> billytwowilly: hope it works for you!
[01:26] <kapputu> why a wireless bridge ?
[01:26] <ogra> kapputu: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/hotplug (hit tab here)
[01:27] <bwlang> billytwowilly: could just be a bad cd... but the error 25 seems suspicous
[01:27] <ThreeDayMonk> they convert wireless back to ethernet, so you only need to worry about the ethernet drivers
[01:27] <billytwowilly> yah, well I md5sum checked it and I burnt another one too and it didn't work
[01:27] <kapputu> no such file or directory
[01:27] <ThreeDayMonk> better performance in my experience, too - a lot of wlan cards seem to be quite processor-intensive
[01:27] <ogra> kapputu: a second....
[01:27] <kapputu> sure
[01:28] <|trey|> bwlang, error 25 = its not pointed at the right place...
[01:28] <|trey|> bwlang, can't find vmlinuz
[01:28] <thoreauputic> /var/cache/apt/archives/hotplug <tab>
[01:28] <kapputu> nope thoreauputic dint work
[01:28] <bwlang> |trey|: *shrug* - you'd thinkt that'd be correct on a cd
[01:29] <|trey|> bwlang, not entirely sure how you'd fix that on a cd  :/
[01:29] <ogra> kapputu: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hotplug_0.0.20040329-11ubuntu10_all.deb
[01:29] <|trey|> bwlang, yeah...
[01:29] <ogra> kapputu: should work....
[01:29] <ogra> kapputu: else we have to download the file
[01:29] <kapputu> yep we have to download it
[01:29] <thoreauputic> kapputu: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep hotplug
[01:30] <kapputu> no thoreauputic it ain't there
[01:30] <thoreauputic> if that comes up empty, it ain't there
[01:30] <|trey|> bwlang, possible it could just be bad media though.. just means it can't find initrd and vmlinus, if it works for others, you'd think it wouldn't be the livecd image...
[01:30] <thoreauputic> kapputu: Ok - in thet case it has to be reinstalled via apt/synaptic or whatever
[01:31] <|trey|> thoreauputic, archive*
[01:31] <ogra> kapputu: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hotplug/hotplug_0.0.20040329-11ubuntu10_all.deb
[01:32] <|trey|> Should really remove traces of hotplug... won't really help if you keep the old config etc  :/
[01:32] <ogra> thoreauputic: apt-get didnt work :(
[01:32] <kapputu> ok downloaded
[01:32] <|trey|> ogra, if apt didn't work, he's in a world more hurt then just hotplug  :/
[01:33] <kapputu> ok reinstalling ubuntu is easier ?
[01:33] <ogra> |trey|: lets try reinstalling first
[01:33] <kapputu> I'm really tired of reconfiguring everything in each distro I use
[01:33] <|trey|> kapputu, yes... very much so... you have no idea really how many things are broken...
[01:33] <ogra> kapputu: sudo dpkg -i <thefileyoudownloaded>
[01:34] <|trey|> kapputu, thats why I have an rpm based /etc/ and dpkg /etc/ on different partitions all the time  ;)
[01:34] <mirak_> testing
[01:34] <ogra> |trey|: apt-get just didnt change anything...
[01:34] <kapputu> still doesnt show up in etc/init.d
[01:35] <ogra> kapputu: /etc ?
[01:35] <kapputu> yep it's in etc
[01:35] <kapputu> there is also a hotplug.d
[01:35] <|trey|> kapputu, look in man dpkg for a command that says something about overwriting config file...
[01:36] <kapputu> can I do a purge and install ?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> or it might be worth trying sudo  dpkg-reconfigure hotplug
[01:37] <ogra> kapputu: there depend a lot of things on hotplug....purge will remove a lot i guess, but you can try
[01:37] <kapputu> it's still broke
[01:37] <ogra> thoreauputic: not sure it brings init.d back
[01:37] <|trey|> kapputu, yes, will remove config files... still need to see what the "overwrite" command is though... else it will still assume config files shouldn't be recreated/changed...
[01:37] <kapputu> what diff does it make
[01:38] <kapputu> no purge removes configuration files
[01:38] <|trey|> ogra, you can ignore depends...
[01:38] <kapputu>  -P or --purge removes everything,  including  configura-
[01:38] <kapputu>               tion  files
[01:38] <|trey|> kapputu, yes... but -i alone won't put them back... trust me on this, its skrewed me up several times...
[01:39] <ogra> |trey|: so tell us....
[01:39] <|trey|> ogra, ugh, I said to read the dpkg man page  :/
[01:39] <|trey|> what more do you want  ;)
[01:39] <thoreauputic> for init.d  - man  update-rc.d
[01:39] <|trey|> Even said what to look for  :/
[01:40] <ogra> |trey|: thats what i can hear on every other distro :(
[01:40] <kapputu> ok wait I'm looking
[01:40] <kapputu> here are my concerns
[01:41] <ogra> |trey|: rtfm....i think ubuntu is a bit more and if i know certain tings i help ;)
[01:41] <kapputu> I know people are trying to make this better and it's voluntary work
[01:41] <kapputu> but it certainly puts off non-geeks
[01:41] <thoreauputic> kapputu: you're on IRC - you're a geek :)
[01:42] <ogra> kapputu: sudo dpkg -i --force-confnew <thehotplugdeb>
[01:42] <|trey|> ogra, dpkg --force-confnew --force-confmiss, not --force-overwrite like I though, my bad  :/
[01:42] <kapputu> nope thoreauputic, but I'm patient
[01:42] <|trey|> thought*
[01:42] <kapputu> I hate windows
[01:42] <thoreauputic> kapputu: :) I was joking
[01:43] <ogra> |trey|: thanks....nice of you, thats ubuntu ;))
[01:43] <toothpick> can someone msg me the sources.list for ubuntu
[01:43] <kapputu> ok ogra next ?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> nice spirit in this channel - quite a contrast with some others
[01:43] <ogra> kapputu: is it there ?
[01:43] <kapputu> yep definitely
[01:43] <|trey|> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[01:43] <|trey|> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[01:43] <|trey|> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[01:44] <|trey|> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[01:44] <|trey|> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[01:44] <kapputu> in init.d ?
[01:44] <toothpick> Thanks
[01:44] <ogra> kapputu: yes :/
[01:44] <kapputu> it's not there in init.d
[01:44] <ogra> ARGH
[01:44] <|trey|> toothpick, hopefully not too many people did  ;)
[01:45] <|trey|> kapputu, sometimes, its best to reinstall  ;)
[01:45] <|trey|> kapputu, you put /usr on a diff partition? if so, you won't lose mplayer etc...
[01:45] <thoreauputic> kapputu: to update the links for init.d, use  update-rc.d  (there should be a man page for it)
[01:45] <toothpick> no doubt
[01:45] <toothpick> Got them thanks.
[01:45] <ogra> kapputu: last try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure hotplug
[01:46] <|trey|> ogra, thats basically what apt-get --reinstall install does  ;)
[01:46] <LinuxJones> kapputu, >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[01:46] <|trey|> ogra, that shoulda come up WAY earlier  ;)
[01:46] <ogra> |trey|: ;)
[01:46] <djtansey> anyone here used i855? i am trying to get my ibm x40 to display to an external monitor at a different resolution as my 1024x768 laptop lcd. preferably so the laptop screen turns off and the external comes up at 1280x960
[01:46] <devolve> jdub: it was a jumper setting on the hard drive... I had moved it from default setting.
[01:46] <kapputu> no it's on the same paritition
[01:47] <sabdfl> djtansey: let me know if you get that right
[01:47] <kapputu> but I would like to know how to do that
[01:47] <sabdfl> there's a utility somewhere that let's you play with it, i855-crt or something
[01:47] <sabdfl> but its voodoo afict
[01:47] <djtansey> sabdfl: i'm using i855crt -- works well. i have the external coming up. but only at the same resolution as my x40 lcd. and only with both up at the same time.
[01:47] <kapputu> ok ogra, I get a config screen asking me what I wanted loaded on boot
[01:48] <sabdfl> ok
[01:48] <sabdfl> you got further than me then
[01:49] <kapputu> i select everything for now ?
[01:49] <djtansey> sabdfl: what is your chipset?
[01:49] <sabdfl> x40 as well
[01:49] <jdub> djtansey: that's all you can do atm (same res, cloned)
[01:49] <ogra> kapputu: not sure what the ubuntu default is.....try auto
[01:50] <jdub> djtansey: you can run the monitor at another res, but X doesn't know about it ;)
[01:50] <jdub> it really needs in-server support to work well
[01:50] <ogra> LinuxJones: nice page, but wont work without a file in init.d
[01:50] <djtansey> jdub: there's nothing i can do -- even using something other than i855crt (i'd even be happy to restart X if i could make that work)
[01:51] <jdub> djtansey: nup, not atm :|
[01:51] <|trey|> jdub, sup man  :)  keeping yourself busy?  ;)
[01:51] <ThreeDayMonk> djtansey: what is
[01:51] <ThreeDayMonk> oops, wrong key :-)
[01:51] <|trey|> jdub, how much longer you think it'll be till dist/hoary is usable?
[01:51] <kapputu> PCI display devices ?
[01:51] <jdub> |trey|: hi, yeah
[01:51] <ogra> kapputu: nope
[01:51] <djtansey> sabdfl: then you should be able to plug it in and type sudo i855crt on 1024x768@75 and it will come up in a second or two
[01:51] <jdub> |trey|: dunno, but we'll announce it when it's dogfoodable
[01:51] <kapputu> ok done
[01:51] <|trey|> jdub, good good, and yay  :)
[01:52] <kapputu> still not in init.d
[01:52] <jdub> sabdfl: i have a little desktop icon for running it, which changes the icon and label and stuff :)
[01:52] <ogra> kapputu: init.d ?
[01:52] <|trey|> jdub, you mean publicly, or just in here etc?
[01:52] <jdub> sabdfl: i'll send it to ubuntu-users
[01:52] <LinuxJones> ogra, if you install a service it puts the script in there auto-magically ;)
[01:52] <sabdfl> |trey|: feedback is that hoary didn't break as badly as we thought
[01:52] <jdub> |trey|: on -devel
[01:52] <sabdfl> hey jdub
[01:52] <djtansey> ThreeDayMonk: what were you typing?
[01:52] <|trey|> jdub, cool, I'm usually in there  :)
[01:52] <ogra> LinuxJones: so whats wron with kapputu here ?
[01:52] <sabdfl> jdub: i855crt?
[01:52] <jdub> |trey|: the list
[01:52] <kapputu> ok reinstall Ubuntu ?
[01:52] <djtansey> jdub: thanks. do you work with X stuff? (just curious how you know that's all that's possible atm)
[01:52] <jdub> sabdfl: yeah
[01:52] <sabdfl> *desktop icon*?
[01:52] <LinuxJones> ogra, what service has he installed ?
[01:53] <sabdfl> terrorist
[01:53] <jdub> djtansey: i have a laptop that needs it, so i delved ;)
[01:53] <|trey|> sabdfl, still would really would rather get an announcement saying its relatively safe ;)
[01:53] <sabdfl> |trey|: sorry, i wasn't finished
[01:53] <ogra> LinuxJones: he had a powerfail and afterwards the init.d scrip for hotplug was gone
[01:53] <devolve> The last installation I did was Absolutely Wonderful -- I answered a couple questions, left the house and it was installled when I got back...
[01:53] <jdub> |trey|: it's not *yet*, it just didn't break as badly as we thought
[01:53] <|trey|> jdub, ahh... I don't usually sign up for lists, too hard to follow  :(
[01:53] <sabdfl> ihoary apparently didn't break too badly so far in the merge up to sid, BUT
[01:53] <sabdfl> we still have some bg components to go in
[01:53] <sabdfl> most notably x.org
[01:53] <sabdfl> and that will cause carnage
[01:54] <kapputu> I need to learn a lot more about linux
[01:54] <sabdfl> best wait for that announcement
[01:54] <kapputu> how do I learn ?
[01:54] <ogra> LinuxJones: trying to reinstall it either way doesnt make appear the script.....even if i'm sure its in the package
[01:54] <kapputu> how did you guys learn ?
[01:54] <ThreeDayMonk> djtansey: I was just asking about what the i855 is
[01:54] <sabdfl> i'm sure jdub will start getting rigid an boring around february :-)
[01:54] <ogra> kapputu: by doing ;)
[01:54] <LinuxJones> ogra, wth, sounds like a corruption problem
[01:54] <ThreeDayMonk> I just figured out multiple monitor setups on my configuration
[01:54] <|trey|> sabdfl, shouldn't be THAT bad surely? just make x-window-system-core depend on the new stuff, and conflict the old stuff etc  :/
[01:54] <djtansey> jdub: i see. seems hard to believe this many years into linux desktop devel you still can't do that. i remember back in 97,98 and 99 we felt we were on the brink of matching up to the basic expected feature set, even if it wouldn't be user friendly. seems we're still "on the brink." :)
[01:54] <ThreeDayMonk> have a look: http://po-ru.com/images/triple-monitors.jpg
[01:54] <kapputu> yep I believe something got corrupted miserably
[01:54] <LinuxJones> kapputu, what kind of filesystem do you have on your /usr directory ?
[01:54] <jdub> djtansey: it's a chipset specific issue
[01:54] <kapputu> ext2
[01:55] <ogra> LinuxJones: we downloaded a new hotplug package and installed with dpkg with any imaginable option....
[01:55] <devolve> kapputu, I read alot of stuff online and tinkered and messed with stuff and worked with people online, but I really think I learned the most when I volunteered my time to work on a community project with other experienced users
[01:55] <djtansey> ThreeDayMonk: allows intel (i8xx) chips to work with external displays.
[01:55] <kapputu> just a quick question
[01:55] <jdub> djtansey: with other chipsets, you can multihead, clone, flick with the keyboard, etc.
[01:55] <sabdfl> |trey|: YOU do it then :-)
[01:55] <|trey|> kapputu, ahh, let this be a lesson to use a journelled fs from now on  :)
[01:55] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: All those nice monitors but that half size keyboard? :P
[01:55] <djtansey> jdub: not just driver? vesa wouldn't help?
[01:55] <sabdfl> it's going to be risky
[01:55] <kapputu> hmm I would like to do that
[01:55] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: full size keyboard
[01:55] <kapputu> I am a good programmer
[01:55] <jdub> djtansey: no, that'll be worse
[01:55] <sabdfl> i'd rather nobody was running anything production when we do that
[01:55] <thoreauputic> kapputu: Linux documentation project, also google for howto for anything you want to learn, www.google.com/linux should be your home page :)
[01:55] <ThreeDayMonk> it just has no function keys or numeric pad
[01:55] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: No number pad!
[01:55] <djtansey> jdub: oh well.
[01:55] <sabdfl> of course, no users == no bug reports
[01:55] <|trey|> sabdfl, I'm not so sure you should trust me to package something as important as X ;)
[01:55] <djtansey> jdub: have you tried i810switch?
[01:55] <ogra> kapputu: EXT2 ???
[01:55] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: no use anyway
[01:55] <kapputu> ok I din't know that trey
[01:55] <sabdfl> so we'll need the few and the brave
[01:55] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: A keyboard with no numpad or function keys isn't full sized at all :P
[01:56] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: Function keys are very important!
[01:56] <kapputu> I din't read anywhere that journelled FS was good or anything
[01:56] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: it has control in the RIGHT place :-)
[01:56] <brettcar> So does mine :P
[01:56] <kapputu> I read a lot of review before I installed Ubuntu
[01:56] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/video-switch.tar.gz
[01:56] <jdub> ^ sabdfl
[01:56] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: and there are function keys - Fn+1 for example
[01:56] <ogra> kapputu: had pervented you from this....
[01:56] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: yeah but thats RSI inducing ;)
[01:56] <ThreeDayMonk> not really- I seldom use them
[01:56] <jdub> you'll have to replace some strings in the .desktop and script
[01:56] <kapputu> ok a quick question
[01:56] <jdub> i'll put a readme in there some time
[01:56] <ThreeDayMonk> you can tell I code in vi, perhaps ;-)
[01:56] <jdub> or a mini install script or something
[01:56] <kapputu> what's up with a seperate partition for /usr ?
[01:57] <|trey|> kapputu, umm... its a very good thing... its peticularly meant for exactly what happened to you, restoring a filesystem after powerloss...
[01:57] <kapputu> ic
[01:57] <kapputu> I have had this problem a number of times with other distros
[01:57] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: I guess ;P
[01:57] <kapputu> anyway now I know
[01:57] <ogra> kapputu: take ext3 next time.....
[01:57] <|trey|> kapputu, journelling + fsck is supposed to fix all issues... you always use ext2?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> kapputu: more than you ever wanted to know about apt-get: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[01:57] <kapputu> ok ext3 or journelled FS or are they same ?
[01:58] <kapputu> yes trey I never knew
[01:58] <ogra> kapputu: yep
[01:58] <jdub> kapputu: ext3 is a journalled filesystem
[01:58] <kapputu> ok what's a journalled filesystem ?
[01:58] <|trey|> kapputu, ext3 = ext2 + a journel...
[01:58] <kapputu> explain me briefl I'll read about it later
[01:58] <jdub> kapputu: better that you read first
[01:58] <ogra> kapputu: the journal keeps track of open files
[01:58] <kapputu> hmm I read a lot jdub
[01:58] <sabdfl> jdub: thanks will try when i can find a projector
[01:59] <jdub> kapputu: it writes in a safe manner
[01:59] <|trey|> kapputu, basically, periodically, it will take snapshots of your fs, and store that data so it knows where to put things back after curruption etc...
[01:59] <kapputu> safe manner = ?
[01:59] <kapputu> but what if the snapshot area gets corrupted ?
[01:59] <jdub> kapputu: better that you read about how it's done than getting lame, too-short explanations here
[01:59] <|trey|> kapputu, then you are still fucked... but its rare...
[01:59] <kapputu> hmm you are right jdub
[02:00] <ogra> kapputu: never seen this even its possible
[02:00] <kapputu> ok before I reinstall I need to know this
[02:00] <kapputu> I have a 4.7 partition for linux
[02:00] <kapputu> u guys suggest I halve it and have one for /usr ?
[02:00] <ogra> kapputu: just pick ext3 .....
[02:00] <|trey|> kapputu, there are blocks reserved for the journel every something inodes... on my 40 gig partition for instance, there are 8 afaik
[02:00] <kapputu> and if I later find I'm out of space can I add a new partition ?
[02:00] <kensai> I ahve downloaded an Icon theme from gnome-look.org how do I install it on ubuntu?
[02:01] <ogra> kapputu: partitioning is a philosophical thing ;)
[02:01] <kensai> have*
[02:01] <|trey|> kapputu, you would need all 8 to be currupted for the fs to not be restorable...
[02:01] <LinuxJones> kapputu, do you have a live cd that you can boot to ?
[02:01] <cardador> kensai: extract it to ~/.icons/
[02:01] <kapputu> I have a knoppix
[02:01] <kensai> so where is /.icons in home directory?
[02:01] <kapputu> any good ?
[02:01] <ogra> LinuxJones: what will this be good for ? his system is working
[02:01] <__daniel> kensai: computer -> desktop -> theme
[02:01] <kapputu> hey I don't mind reinstalling at all
[02:01] <cardador> kensai: ~ means your home direct
[02:02] <ogra> LinuxJones: just corrupted certain things
[02:02] <kapputu> i'm used to it
[02:02] <LinuxJones> ogra, to run e2fsck -p on to try to fix his filesystem
[02:02] <ThreeDayMonk> kensai: there's an easier way
[02:02] <ogra> LinuxJones: hmm...nice hint....
[02:02] <kapputu> hmm LinuxJones, I think i'll reinstall with ext3
[02:02] <kensai> computer desktop theme does not do the trick I put install theme and the direction of the icon theme and it soes nothing
[02:02] <kapputu> I don't want this problem recurring
[02:02] <kensai> easier way?
[02:02] <__daniel> kapputu: tune2fs -J /dev/<partition>
[02:03] <ThreeDayMonk> kensai: did you choose theme details, icons, and select the icon theme?
[02:03] <ThreeDayMonk> I found some icon themes wouldn't work, though, so...
[02:03] <kapputu> ok if I run out of space, how do I add more space ?
[02:03] <cardador> kensai: that way it installs to .themes, you just need to move it to .icons
[02:03] <ogra> __daniel: after a fsck and a reinstall of hotplug .... and probably certain other things ?
[02:03] <LinuxJones> kapputu, that might be the best thing. Try to keep your /usr/ & /var & /home  on a seperate partition if you can :)
[02:03] <kapputu> ok how do I do that LinuxJones
[02:03] <kensai> ThreeDayMonk: yes
[02:04] <|trey|> kapputu, parted or gparted is supposed to... still yet to see it be successful though  :(
[02:04] <__daniel> kapputu: try to avoid reinstalls - that's the way you will learnt the most
[02:04] <kapputu> what's parted ?
[02:04] <kapputu> that's true daniel
[02:04] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: where do you connect the extra monitors?
[02:04] <|trey|> kapputu, Its a GNU tool to edit the partition table...
[02:04] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: partition table editor
[02:04] <kensai> Ok I moved them to ~/.icons
[02:04] <LinuxJones> kapputu, you only have 4 gigs available for diskspace ?
[02:04] <kapputu> I wish I had learnt this when I was 17
[02:04] <kapputu> back then I was stuck with Windows :(((((((
[02:04] <|trey|> kapputu, I did, nana  :)
[02:05] <kapputu> I have 4.7
[02:05] <|trey|> kapputu, ahh, I was using Debian when I was 17  :/
[02:05] <cardador> kensai: now you should be able to pick your new icon theme
[02:05] <kapputu> I can get more from a FAT partition
[02:05] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: I have an nVidia dual-head card in the AGP slot, and an ATI card in one of the PCI slots
[02:05] <kapputu> I installed RedHat thrice
[02:05] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: ok thanks
[02:05] <kapputu> I couldnt get Debian
[02:05] <ThreeDayMonk> actually, the ATI has DVI and VGA out, and I think that I could connect a fourth monitor...
[02:05] <kensai> cardador: Thanks it works just fine
[02:05] <kapputu> I couldnt get good books
[02:05] <cardador> kensai: np :)
[02:05] <kensai> ThreeDayMonk: Thanks too
[02:05] <kapputu> I couldnt get my graphics card detected
[02:05] <kapputu> I gave up
[02:06] <|trey|> kapputu, I learned everything I know from about 3 years of idling in #debian  :/
[02:06] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: I'm going to write it up on the wiki when the wiki is ready
[02:06] <LinuxJones> kapputu, use as much as you can spare from your win partition. You won't need that anyways one you get Ubuntu up and running ;D
[02:06] <kapputu> cool , I don't have that time now :(
[02:06] <WW> ThreeDayMonk: I've never used multiple monitors. Does it act like one very wide monitor?
[02:06] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: and what do you do to enable xinerama, just add some lines in XF86config?
[02:06] <kapputu> yep it's been a while since I went there
[02:06] <|trey|> WW, basically... yes...
[02:07] <|trey|> WW, when its working at least  ;)
[02:07] <ThreeDayMonk> hang on, I'll up my XF86Config-4 file for your viewing pleasure
[02:07] <WW> If you drag a window, will it appear half in one window and half in the other?
[02:07] <ThreeDayMonk> yes
[02:07] <|trey|> WW, yup
[02:07] <WW> ooooh....
[02:07] <ThreeDayMonk> but it gets laggy over the agp-pci transition
[02:08] <kapputu> how do I find out my partition info ?
[02:08] <WW> ThreeDayMonk: I hate when that happens...
[02:08] <ThreeDayMonk> you can probably see a whole playboy centrefold on this machine...
[02:08] <kapputu> primary is hda1
[02:08] <|trey|> kapputu, fdick -l
[02:08] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: but to connect only 2 monitors, do i need also 2 cards?
[02:08] <kapputu> logical is hda5 ?
[02:08] <|trey|> kapputu, fdisk -l
[02:08] <|trey|> bad typo  :o
[02:08] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: not if you have a dual-head card
[02:08] <cardador> hmm i have to figure out that...
[02:08] <kapputu> can't open /dev/hda
[02:09] <|trey|> kapputu, yeah, umm, thats bad
[02:09] <kapputu> oops
[02:09] <kapputu> even that's sudoed ?
[02:09] <|trey|> kapputu, I didn't think so, but maybe?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> sudo fdisk -l
[02:09] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: have a look at this: http://po-ru.com/files/XF86Config-4
[02:09] <cardador> ok
[02:09] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm using the Free ATI driver, and the binary nVidia one
[02:09] <kapputu> ok I made a change in my fsta
[02:09] <kapputu> ok I made a change in my fstab
[02:10] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: how can i know if my card is dual headed??
[02:10] <kapputu> how do I effect that change without restarting
[02:10] <|trey|> cardador, it'll have 2 connectors on it...
[02:10] <ThreeDayMonk> heh
[02:10] <cardador> hmm ok :)
[02:11] <cardador> it has a 2nd connector, but it seems different
[02:11] <cardador> maybe tvout
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> is it small and round?
[02:12] <kapputu> how do I effect a change in my /etc/fstab without restarting
[02:12] <|trey|> cardador, yeah, its not dual headed if your monitor can't plug into that one too...  :/
[02:12] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: no, rectangular and medium sized
[02:12] <cardador> |trey|: ok
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> white?
[02:12] <cardador> yap
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> DVI then
[02:12] <cardador> so that means no 2nd monitor
[02:12] <|trey|> Digital Video In?
[02:12] <ThreeDayMonk> so you have a VGA and a DVI connector - you could probably do it
[02:13] <ThreeDayMonk> *Interface
[02:13] <kapputu> ok a silence means I google for it ?
[02:13] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, I was sooo close, I think I still deserve a cookie  8)
[02:13] <brettcar> |trey|: Digital Visual Interface
[02:13] <|trey|> brettcar, damnit, shut up you  ;)
[02:13] <|trey|> brettcar, jk, thanks  :)
[02:13] <kapputu> hey guys can you see me ?
[02:14] <|trey|> kapputu, nope  :(
[02:14] <kapputu> lol
[02:14] <ThreeDayMonk> brettcar: what - poking your finger in someone's eye? :-)
[02:14] <kapputu> thanks
[02:14] <brettcar> kapputu: Nope
[02:14] <brettcar> kapputu: ;)
[02:14] <brettcar> ThreeDayMonk: What did I do now?
[02:14] <ThreeDayMonk> digital visual interface
[02:14] <cardador> kapputu:   mount -a [-t|-O]  ...     : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab
[02:14] <|trey|> brettcar, lagging somewhat?  :)
[02:14] <brettcar> My brain is
[02:14] <|trey|> brettcar, heh  :)
[02:14] <brettcar> but uhm
[02:14] <brettcar> right fstab
[02:15] <brettcar> kapputu: Try: mount -a
[02:15] <brettcar> And see if it updates it at all
[02:15] <brettcar> Oh actually
[02:15] <brettcar> never mind
[02:15] <brettcar>    -u      The -u flag indicates that the status of an already mounted file
[02:15] <brettcar>              system should be changed.  Any of the options discussed above
[02:15] <brettcar>              (the -o option) may be changed; also a file system can be changed
[02:15] <brettcar>              from read-only to read-write or vice versa.  An attempt to change
[02:15] <brettcar>              from read-write to read-only will fail if any files on the
[02:15] <brettcar>              filesystem are currently open for writing unless the -f flag is
[02:15] <brettcar>              also specified.  The set of options is determined by first
[02:15] <brettcar>              extracting the options for the file system from the fstab table,
[02:15] <brettcar>              then applying any options specified by the -o argument, and
[02:15] <brettcar>              finally applying the -r or -w option.a
[02:15] <brettcar> whoops!
[02:16] <brettcar> sorry!
[02:16] <brettcar> But yeah, use '-u' with mount
[02:16] <kensai> Ok I'm using sysv-rc-conf to edit the services which starts at boot. Now my question I want to disable mdam-raid at boot but it has an x under 0 6 and S how do I disable this do I remove all the X?
[02:16] <|trey|> kensai, never used that  :(  rcconf  ;)
[02:17] <kensai> what other thing can I use for services?
[02:17] <kensai> that is a little bit easier to understand
[02:17] <kapputu> ok was not mounted
[02:17] <kapputu> is it mount -a -o ?
[02:17] <|trey|> kensai, apt-get install rcconf .... should be in universe at worst... nice and simple ncurses interface  :)
[02:18] <brettcar> kapputu: Yes, if it wasn't mounted before you can just mount it normally (mount /mount/point) and it'll be fine
[02:18] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: found a crazy cable to connect to that white connector, it has 2 differents ends
[02:18] <ThreeDayMonk> ummm
[02:18] <kensai> ok done installing how do I use it :-)
[02:19] <ThreeDayMonk> maybe not a DVI - I'm not sure
[02:19] <kapputu> ok none of it was mounted
[02:19] <|trey|> kensai, type "rcconf"  :)
[02:19] <kensai> as root?
[02:19] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: bingo, i can connect the monitor cable! lets see if i can make it work...
[02:19] <|trey|> kensai, in the future though... just 'dpkg -L <pkg>' to see what a package installed
[02:19] <|trey|> kensai, yup  :)
[02:19] <kapputu> auto:
[02:20] <MyKq3> i m trying to use this giude to install Dmix "http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin". but it seems  that i m missing some packages what i can't get with  aptget ( " alsaplayer* " ) . now i have tryed to find any alsaplayer packages for dabian on goole and what i have found what this ...  http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsaplayer.html. no u can notice that its not really the same packages.... but it seems that i can't
[02:20] <MyKq3>  find the exact packages on the net ... what could i do ?..
[02:20] <kapputu> I have `/dev/hda1 /mnt/cdrive vfat rw,user,noauto,umask=002 0 0
[02:20] <kensai> so if I have no raid in my pc I can safely remove mdam-raid?
[02:20] <kapputu> in /etc/fstab
[02:20] <MyKq3> what can i do?
[02:20] <|trey|> kensai, yeah... and shpchp or whatever
[02:21] <kapputu> welcome back ogra
[02:21] <|trey|> MyKq3, apt-get.org = great
[02:21] <kapputu> ok how do I mount it so that all users can see it
[02:21] <|trey|> MyKq3, cough cough cough
[02:21] <ogra> kapputu: hi ;)
[02:22] <|trey|> kapputu, man fstab... -o user
[02:22] <kensai> I installe python-libgmail and don't know how to start that service and it isn't listed anywhere in UBUNTU
[02:22] <MyKq3> |trey|,  if i didn't sayed it then its not in the aptget
[02:23] <|trey|> kensai, dpkg -L python-libgmail ... also, /usr/share/doc/python-libgmail for any docs that came with the package...
[02:23] <MyKq3> |trey|, there isn't any alsaplayer* on the list
[02:23] <|trey|> MyKq3, apt-get.org not apt-get the tool
[02:23] <kensai> Ooops I erased the file
[02:24] <|trey|> kensai, oops indeed  :(
[02:24] <thoreauputic> kapputu: change umask to 000 and if you want all users to be able to mount/umount change user to users
[02:24] <MyKq3> |trey|,  thanks :)))
[02:24] <|trey|> thoreauputic, or just mount -o users like I said  ;)
[02:25] <|trey|> MyKq3, you're welcome, thats kinda like the deb version of rpmfind.net  :)
[02:25] <kapputu> ok
[02:25] <thoreauputic> kapputu: if you want it to mount automatically at boot up you can change noauto to auto
[02:27] <|trey|> thoreauputic, uhh, s/or/then/ ... imma shut up now  :o
[02:27] <kapputu> ok vpnclient got screwed up too
[02:27] <Striss> i installed Ubuntu PPC today...loving it so far
[02:27] <|trey|> Striss, :)
[02:27] <WW> ThreeDayMonk: My graphics card has VGA, TV, and DVI outputs. But multiple connectors doesn't mean multi-head, does it?
[02:27] <MyKq3> |trey|,  and mach mach more !!!
[02:27] <timothy_> Striss: what sort of hardware?
[02:27] <ThreeDayMonk> WW: not necessarily
[02:27] <cardador> WW: i am in the same situation as you
[02:27] <Striss> G3 400mhz
[02:28] <|trey|> Striss, honestly, on that hardware, I would use OS X, but Ubuntu is my fav OS right now  :)
[02:28] <timothy_> WW: it probably means 2-head, though.
[02:28] <cardador> WW: just connected the 2nd monitor :)
[02:28] <ThreeDayMonk> yeah, most modern chipsets support it, from what I understand
[02:28] <WW> nvidia geforce fx 5600...
[02:28] <Striss> yeah ive been using os x for a long time now, i just wanted to hop on the ubuntu wagon for a change
[02:28] <Striss> its running a lot lot quicker than os x does on my mac
[02:28] <|trey|> MyKq3, if you can't find them on www.apt-get.org, there isn't a debian package for it  :)
[02:28] <WW> (not ultra)
[02:29] <WW> So I could have one monitor on VGA, and another independent monitor on DVI?
[02:29] <ThreeDayMonk> Striss: I used to use OS X... until they screwed up repairing my computer three times, and I haven't been able to use it for 5 weeks
[02:29] <ThreeDayMonk> so now I prefer Ubuntu :-)
[02:29] <|trey|> Striss, thats a good thing... yeah, the graphic side of OS X can bog down the system pretty bad  :(
[02:29] <Striss> yeah
[02:29] <ThreeDayMonk> the buffered windows are nice, though
[02:30] <Striss> i was having a problem with gaim tho...when people sent me messages they werent showing up at all
[02:30] <|trey|> WW, not sure what you mean by independent... thats not really the way xinerama works... it just ends up being an extension to the right of the regular screen...
[02:30] <ogra> ThreeDayMonk: wait on x.org ;)
[02:30] <ThreeDayMonk> ogra - I am!
[02:30] <MyKq3> |trey|,  ir u kidding me man i found FreeCiv2 beta !!!! man i m not going to sleep tonight !!!
[02:30] <|trey|> Striss, what protocol?... I've never seen that  :(
[02:30] <Striss> msn
[02:30] <ThreeDayMonk> I nearly installed gentoo for it, but decided that I didn't need it that badly
[02:31] <|trey|> MyKq3, www.apt-get.org rules  :)
[02:31] <Striss> i just switched from gaim to amsn and its working ok
[02:31] <Striss> now i'm attemping to compile mplayer
[02:31] <WW> |trey|: Right.  Being ignorant, I would have guessed that the different connectors would output exactly the same signal, so there would be no point in having more than one monitor.
[02:31] <Striss> so this ubuntu experience is goodtimes so far
[02:31] <kapputu> ok i'm going to reinstall ubuntu tonight
[02:31] <kapputu> any suggestion for me ?
[02:31] <|trey|> Striss, umm, ouch... Christian Marrilat makes decent packages for mplayer *cough*
[02:31] <ThreeDayMonk> gaim is nice, but the interface is a bit brain-dead with all those pop-up windows
[02:31] <ogra> kapputu: take ext3 ;)
[02:31] <Striss> marrilat doesnt have ppc packages tho does he
[02:32] <|trey|> Striss, search apt-get.org for it and use the listing that mentions marillat...
[02:32] <|trey|> Striss, hmm... not sure actually...  :(
[02:32] <ThreeDayMonk> |trey|: ooh, where are these mplayer packages?
[02:32] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, do what I just told Striss  ;)
[02:32] <Striss> i'm just following a little guide on the ubuntu page with mplayer and its goine fine
[02:32] <WW> Striss: no, mariallat is i386
[02:32] <ThreeDayMonk> oh, duh, yeah :-)
[02:32] <Striss> thought so
[02:33] <|trey|> ThreeDayMonk, use the testing source with warty though, else you get unresolved deps (universe is needed too...)
[02:33] <kapputu> ok
[02:33] <kapputu> anything about partitions
[02:33] <kapputu> how do I put /usr, /var, /home on a seperate file system
[02:33] <kapputu> I assume I'll have to mount these on a seperate partition ?
[02:33] <WW> ThreeDayMonk (or anyone else): So is just two monitors "easy" to setup up?  Is there a howto somewhere?
[02:33] <ogra> kapputu: i split in sys and home.... others do it the other way
[02:33] <kapputu> yes, no ?
[02:33] <brettcar> kapputu: You'd have to repartition
[02:33] <brettcar> kapputu: And reinstall
[02:34] <|trey|> kapputu, you can resize part... and mv /usr /where/you/put/the/other/fs
[02:34] <ThreeDayMonk> WW: it's not trivial, but it's technically simple if you edit the config file by hand
[02:34] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: to enable xinerama should i restart x or the pc?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> kapputu: keep it simple would be my advice, frankly
[02:34] <ThreeDayMonk> just x
[02:34] <|trey|> kapputu, its recommended to just do it during install though...
[02:34] <ogra> brettcar: he has a broken ext2
[02:34] <cardador> ok brb
[02:34] <|trey|> WW, just google "xinerama howto"...
[02:34] <WW> ThreeDayMonk: I guess cardador is trying it now?
[02:35] <WW> |trey|: Good idea :)
[02:35] <|trey|> WW, I know, I said it  ;)
[02:35] <kapputu> ok how do I do it during install ?
[02:35] <WW> |trey|:     :)
[02:35] <ogra> kapputu: remove the ext2 and create what you want in the free space
[02:36] <|trey|> kapputu, when its asking you if you want to keep the default partition table, say no... and mount each on different partitions you create......
[02:36] <kapputu> hmm example ?
[02:36] <kapputu> yep ogra I'm going to do that
[02:36] <|trey|> kapputu, its an ncurses interface... straight forward and intuitive, but hard to explain here...  :(
[02:37] <kapputu> what's ncurses ?
[02:37] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: you see that it says / next to your root - well you just create more partitions and assign them to /home etc
[02:37] <ThreeDayMonk> kapputu: a text-mode "windowing" system
[02:37] <ogra> kapputu: the interface of the installer...youve seen it during install
[02:38] <|trey|> kapputu, actually... you would have seen the exact interface I am talking about when you changed from ext3 to 2  :)
[02:38] <ThreeDayMonk> I guess cardador's attempt failed
[02:38] <ogra> |trey|: lol
[02:38] <|trey|> its either right above or below that... Mount Point  :)
[02:38] <Striss>  can i mount an nfs share on boot through my /etc/fstab?
[02:38] <|trey|> Striss, not via fstab... no
[02:38] <ogra> Striss: depends
[02:39] <kapputu> yeah I understand that but I have done that in C
[02:39] <kapputu> what's special about it ?
[02:39] <Striss> is there any way to automount it then?
[02:39] <kapputu> is it a seperate library ?
[02:40] <thoreauputic> Striss: this might help: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html ( I found it useful anyway)
[02:40] <ogra> |trey|: why not ?
[02:40] <Striss> thankya
[02:40] <ogra> Striss: i think it should work in fstab
[02:40] <thoreauputic> Striss: expleains everything pretty clearly
[02:41] <|trey|> ogra, ahh, I think I am very wrong... I just don't recall how I think  :(
[02:41] <ogra> Striss: except with pcmcia network cards :(
[02:41] <thoreauputic> it should be possible to set nfs to auto in fstab, I believe
[02:42] <|trey|> Striss, just make sure to soft mount.... else that could be a bad idea  :)
[02:42] <Striss> ok
[02:42] <kapputu> ok instead of mounting the filesystem on / I mount /usr on let's say /dev/hda8 ?
[02:42] <|trey|> kapputu, you are required to mount / ... this can be small though depending on how you plan to set up the fs...
[02:43] <kapputu> ok I don't understand
[02:43] <kapputu> can you rephrase it ?
[02:43] <|trey|> kapputu, when in a business environment... I have / be like 20 megs and have a seperate mount point for everything you see in / other then the pseudo fs's (/dev, /sys and /proc)
[02:45] <Eno_> whats the point of having all the dirs in / be different mount points (i can understand /home though)?
[02:45] <|trey|>  /var and /home should be thought about based on user's on the system... /usr should be large... everything else I usually stick @ 1 gig  :/
[02:45] <Eno_> hmm
[02:46] <Eno_> i have / at about 7gb, and /home the rest
[02:46] <kapputu> I understand trey
[02:46] <|trey|> Eno_, its a matter of opinion I guess...
[02:46] <kapputu> so how do I do that now
[02:46] <Eno_> i see
[02:46] <ogra> |trey|: philosophy
[02:46] <|trey|> Eno_, just limits curruption, and damage possible from virii etc...
[02:47] <|trey|> Eno_, also makes it more simple to restore things  :)
[02:47] <Eno_> yup
[02:47] <thoreauputic> |trey|: umm... I don't think viruses are an issue in Linux
[02:47] <|trey|> thoreauputic, of course they are... just not as bad as for windows...
[02:47] <kapputu> ok guys can you help me get started on this thing ?
[02:48] <ogra> |trey|: virii ??
[02:48] <|trey|> ogra, plural of virus  ;)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> |trey|: sorry, but my reading suggests otherwise
[02:48] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I can find a virus for you to test your theory with real quick if you want?
[02:48] <ogra> |trey|: :p i know.....
[02:48] <ThreeDayMonk> viruses is the plural by most authorities
[02:48] <LinuxJones> |trey|, how many Linux machines have you seen with a virus ?
[02:49] <ogra> LinuxJones: lol
[02:49] <|trey|> LinuxJones, 30 ... set one free in the classroom like a month ago...
[02:49] <ogra> LinuxJones: i ve seen a lot samba servers with virii
[02:49] <thoreauputic> |trey|: I'm not going to argue the point - it really doesn't matter :)
[02:49] <ThreeDayMonk> ogra: yeah - they can be carriers
[02:49] <ogra> LinuxJones: sad for the win users ;)
[02:50] <|trey|> LinuxJones, took about 2 mins to infect all 30 boxes, it was neato  8)
[02:51] <LinuxJones> |trey|, did you have the administrative password and what was the name of the virus?
[02:51] <ogra> |trey|: how did you notice ?
[02:51] <|trey|> LinuxJones, nope... and I have no idea  :(
[02:52] <LinuxJones> ogra, but they were not native Linux virII they were a Microsoft virus
[02:52] <ogra> LinuxJones: yep....
[02:52] <ogra> LinuxJones: thats why i said poor win users
[02:52] <|trey|> ogra, this one fucked up the partition table, so it was kinda simple to see... commands just didn't work anymore  :/
[02:52] <LinuxJones> |trey|, so how did you infect 30 Linux machines if you did not know the name of the virus ?
[02:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones, ^
[02:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones, basically same result as rm -rf /
[02:53] <ogra> |trey|: but how did you recognize it was a virus ?
[02:53] <|trey|> LinuxJones, dunno if you've ever had the balls to try that  :)
[02:53] <|trey|> ogra, cuz the teacher said thats what it would do...
[02:54] <thoreauputic> |trey|: and how did this "virus" gain root privileges to achiev the equivalent of rm -rf /  ?
[02:54] <LinuxJones> |trey|, how did it get root priviliges to erase the partition table ?
[02:54] <LinuxJones> |trey|, if you didn't tell it :D
[02:55] <|trey|> thoreauputic, no idea... I know for a fact my box wasn't logged in as root though, and it worked on my box  :/
[02:55] <ogra> LinuxJones: i guess it wass a ssh script from the teachers box who knew the rootpw ;)
[02:55] <thoreauputic> |trey|: a lot of inquiring minds would like to know - like every linux security expert in the world
[02:56] <LinuxJones> ogra, I think that |trey| might not be telling us the whole story :)
[02:56] <ares> so how dangerous is it to add the debian repository to ubuntu's sources.list to get some packages like "prelink" ?
[02:57] <daniels> ares: use 'universe' instead
[02:57] <ogra> LinuxJones: looks like ;)
[02:57] <sysop> cd /
[02:58] <sysop> woops...wrong window
[02:58] <TheMuso> ares: If you want a newer version that is from unstable, you could easily connect to Debian sources and grab the source package and rebuild.
[02:58] <ares> is there a reference to that somewhere in the docs/wiki/forums daniels? I've been running ubuntu for about 15 mins, just dove in
[02:58] <ares> but I've been using linux for a while
[02:59] <ares> so there are some other safe repositories I could add that work well with ubuntu is what you are saying?
[02:59] <ogra> ares: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/SynapticHowto
[02:59] <ares> TheMuso newer version? there is no prelink that I'm seeing after updating synaptic
[02:59] <ares> thanks ogra
[02:59] <ares> got the usage of synaptic down :P
[02:59] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: sucess! dual monitor working!
[03:00] <ares> just need to know where to point sources.list to
[03:00] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: how can one set a different wallpaper for each monitor?
[03:00] <kapputu> hmmm I'm still interested in knowing how to mount /usr etc in different partitions
[03:00] <ares> afk
[03:00] <kapputu> hmmm I'm still interested in knowing how to mount /usr etc in different partitions
[03:00] <ThreeDayMonk> cardador: congratulations!
[03:01] <ThreeDayMonk> as for the wallpaper, I don't know.  You could stitch them together in Gimp
[03:01] <GotD0t> ThreeDayMonk: thats what i did
[03:01] <ThreeDayMonk> mine is just tiled across all three
[03:01] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: no, thank you! i've usedd your xf86conf to help me build mine
[03:01] <cardador> ThreeDayMonk: ill do that
[03:02] <Hikaru79> What's the line to extract an RPM?
[03:02] <GotD0t> ThreeDayMonk: wait... how did you get yours tiled?
[03:02] <kapputu> hi Hikaru79
[03:02] <kapputu> what's up man
[03:02] <Hikaru79> =D
[03:02] <Hikaru79> Hey, kapputu ^__^
[03:02] <ogra> ares: just switch on the universe repo
[03:02] <Hikaru79> Nothing much :)
[03:02] <Hikaru79> I reinstalled ubuntu
[03:02] <cardador> Hikaru79: use alien to convert rpm to deb
[03:02] <Hikaru79> And gonna give it a fresh shot at Java :P
[03:02] <Hikaru79> Ah, I see carador :)
[03:03] <Hikaru79> I knew it involved alien
[03:03] <GotD0t> ThreeDayMonk: how did you get your wallpaper tiled?
[03:03] <Hikaru79> But I didn't know alien converted, I thought it was just a way for Debian to do RPM's
[03:03] <ThreeDayMonk> GotD0t: on the gnome desktop prefs
[03:03] <Hikaru79> Thanks, though ;)
[03:03] <ThreeDayMonk> style: tiled
[03:03] <GotD0t> ThreeDayMonk: oh... heh
[03:03] <ogra> Hikaru79: works both ways ;)
[03:03] <Hikaru79> Do you have to be root to run alien?
[03:03] <Hikaru79> Or should I do it from my regular account?
[03:03] <WW> cardador: Are you using the two different output connectors from one graphics card?
[03:04] <ogra> Hikaru79: nope
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Hikaru79, yeah
[03:04] <kapputu> hey hikaru welcome to the club
[03:04] <kapputu> I'm about to do that myself
[03:04] <LinuxJones> Hikaru79, well to install it :)
[03:04] <cardador> WW: yes, on a gf ti4200 card
[03:04] <Hikaru79> Hehe ^__^
[03:04] <ogra> LinuxJones: ;)
[03:04] <kapputu> or should you be the one welcoming me ?
[03:04] <Hikaru79> Only club I'm a member of is the "total n00b" club :(
[03:04] <LinuxJones> ogra, your quicker than I am :)
[03:05] <ogra> LinuxJones: coffeeeee (3pm here)
[03:05] <debby> I cannot ssh into my ubuntu machine, sshd is running, what do I need to do?
[03:05] <ThreeDayMonk> Hikaru79: when I see your username, I can't help singing "saigo no kiss wa tabako no flavor ga shita" in my head...
[03:05] <WW> cardador: Are both displays the same resolution?  If I get a second monitor, it will be higher res than my current one.
[03:05] <jdub> debby: install openssh-server
[03:05] <LinuxJones> ogra, It's only 10:05 here so again your quicker than I am :P
[03:05] <cardador> WW: you can choose the resolution for each monitor
[03:05] <ogra> lol
[03:06] <janl> im trycing to set up a diskless system using the diskless-package, but that requires "base.tgz" that debians have, where can i find the ubuntu equivalent?
[03:06] <Hikaru79> ThreeDayMonk: Utada Hikaru rocks!! ^_^
[03:06] <ogra> LinuxJones: ugh s/pm/am
[03:06] <Hikaru79> But, my name comes from Hikaru Shindou, not Utada :(
[03:07] <ThreeDayMonk> Hikaru79: yeah - she was really popular when I first went to Japan
[03:07] <Hikaru79> :) Still is
[03:07] <Hikaru79> And she's released her american album now
[03:07] <WW> cardador: Ah...  right, I was just reading a howto about that.  It mentions "dead areas".  Does X 4.3 handle these correctly? (The howto is from 2002.)
[03:07] <Hikaru79> Not doing so well though :(
[03:07] <cardador> WW: i just edited my XF86config-4
[03:07] <Hikaru79> According to alien's man files, I should use this line: alien --to-deb -i jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[03:07] <Hikaru79> Correct? ^^ ;
[03:08] <cardador> Hikaru79: rpm.bin?
[03:08] <ogra> Hikaru79: yep, but the default on debian systems.... not essentially needed though
[03:09] <Hikaru79> cardador, yup that's the filename...
[03:09] <ogra> Hikaru79: .bin ???
[03:09] <Hikaru79> jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[03:09] <Hikaru79> Yeahj
[03:09] <Hikaru79> That's what I downloaded it as o.o
[03:09] <Hikaru79> Is that wrong?
[03:09] <debby> jdub: I have openssh-server installed, but I cannot ssh into machine.  I can ping machine though.
[03:09] <cardador> Hikaru79: normally bins can be run with sh
[03:09] <cardador> sh blabla.bin
[03:09] <Hikaru79> o.o
[03:09] <Hikaru79> But then
[03:09] <GotD0t> debby: you behind a router?
[03:09] <TheMuso> debby: What response do you get when attempting to connect?
[03:09] <Hikaru79> Why's it -rpm?
[03:09] <cardador> Hikaru79: maybe when you run the bin file, it extracts the rpm :)
[03:10] <ogra> Hikaru79: no deb... :(
[03:10] <LinuxJones> ogra, what are you doing drinking coffee @ 3:00 am :)
[03:10] <Hikaru79> Oooooh
[03:10] <Hikaru79> I see :)
[03:10] <debby> no response when trying to ssh, machine is not behind a router.
[03:10] <ogra> LinuxJones: standing up at 8:00 :(
[03:10] <LinuxJones> ogra, argh, I have been there :)
[03:10] <Hikaru79> cardador, you smart person you ;)
[03:10] <ogra> LinuxJones: going to work at 10:00 :(
[03:11] <Hikaru79> It does indeed extract an .rpm ^ ^;
[03:11] <cardador> Hikaru79: :)
[03:11] <ogra> LinuxJones: sleeping 8 hrs there.... and come back to #ubuntu ;)
[03:11] <LinuxJones> ogra, heh
[03:11] <djtansey> jdub: i assume you have an ibm thinkpad.or at least a laptop with i8xx graphics. do you ever have it come back from suspend with the X displaying the windows but having them be blank and having to kill gdm?
[03:12] <TheMuso> debby: Any error messages?
[03:12] <LinuxJones> ogra, you sound like you have a good government job !!
[03:12] <TheMuso> debby: Are you able to get physical access to that machine at all?
[03:12] <tricky1> I just sucessfulyl Installed Ubuntu, but as it gets to loading Gnome the screen goes Black and there is no HDD activity or anything of any sort
[03:13] <TheMuso> tricky1: Did you have to configure X manually during install?
[03:13] <debby> TheMuso: no error message, I used to be able to ssh into the machine but cannot now.  Yes I have physical access to the machine now.
[03:13] <tricky1> TheMuso: No
[03:13] <TheMuso> Have you checked that there is something listening on port 22?
[03:13] <kapputu> ogra u from UK ?
[03:13] <debby> TheMuso: how do I check this?
[03:14] <ogra> LinuxJones: in fact i'm in a new job in my company from the 2nd next month, there will be not much sleeping anymore i guess
[03:14] <Hikaru79> Hmm... strange
[03:14] <Hikaru79> hikaru79@ubuntu:~ $ sudo alien --to-deb -i jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.rpm
[03:14] <Hikaru79> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[03:14] <ogra> kapputu: germany
[03:14] <cardador> anyone know where is located the ubuntu wallpapers?
[03:14] <cardador> Hikaru79: close synaptic ;)
[03:14] <TheMuso> If you have pphysical access, type netstat | less which will display information about any software that is waiting for connections, and your established connections. Search for port 22 or ssh.
[03:14] <ogra> cardador: ubuntu-artwork
[03:14] <tricky1> is there a way to reconfigure X?
[03:15] <kapputu> u speak very good english
[03:15] <cardador> ogra: i mean in the filesystem
[03:15] <Hikaru79> Ooooh
[03:15] <Hikaru79> LOL
[03:15] <kapputu> why don't english speaking people learn other languages ?
[03:15] <Hikaru79> That would explain it :P
[03:15] <thoreauputic> tricky1: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:15] <cardador> kapputu: i vote for portuguese!
[03:15] <LinuxJones> ogra, you can always find time for a nap, no matter what job. See Homer Simpson :D
[03:15] <ogra> cardador: terminal: dpkg --listfiles ubuntu-artwork
[03:15] <cardador> ogra: thanks
[03:16] <ogra> LinuxJones: *g*
[03:16] <ogra> LinuxJones: this job will stress me a lot :(
[03:16] <tricky1> thoreauputic: can i do that booting the recovery kernel?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> tricky1: have you tried the command? I don't follow you, sorry
[03:18] <kapputu> how do I keep my wireless connection from getting disconnected every 2 mins
[03:18] <GotD0t> good question
[03:18] <ogra> kapputu: did this happen before the powerfailure ?
[03:19] <brettcar> kapputu: If it isn't a driver problem, a better AP or antenna on your card.
[03:19] <tricky1> thoreauputic: I just installed, and If i let GRUB boot normally, it goes up through everything okay, but when it goes to start X the screen stays black, this doesn't happen when I boot using the "recovery" option in GRUB
[03:19] <debby> TheMuso: I can ssh into my ubuntu machine at work, but not the one at home.  Comparing netstat on the two machines did not show anything different.
[03:19] <LinuxJones> ogra, what are you doing ?
[03:19] <tricky1> I get a root@<hostname> prompt
[03:20] <thoreauputic> tricky1: try typing the command I gave you at that prompt
[03:20] <tricky1> okay
[03:20] <thoreauputic> tricky1:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:20] <TheMuso> debby: You could try restarting the server.
[03:21] <LinuxJones> ok the World Series is over :)
[03:21] <Hikaru79> OK, I ran the line, it did a whole lot of processing and then it brought me back to the terminal. While it was installing, there was a directory named jdk-1_5_0 in the place where I was installing it. Once it finished installing though, that directory disappeared... is that normal? :o
[03:21] <ogra> LinuxJones: i'm at a cable provider , started runnung the cablemodem testlab three years ago....after a lot firing i moved to datamining/informationmanagement (a lot of sleep)
[03:21] <GotD0t> who won?
[03:21] <thoreauputic> tricky1: if it's a root prompt you should not need the "sudo'
[03:21] <kapputu> yes it was happening all the while
[03:21] <kapputu> how do I get an antenna ?
[03:21] <brettcar> kapputu: Buy one? :)
[03:21] <LinuxJones> ogra, your like an ISP ?
[03:21] <brettcar> kapputu: Make one? :)
[03:21] <kapputu> what kind of an antenna and how much does it cost
[03:21] <kapputu> how do I install it ?
[03:21] <tricky1> thoreauputic: thanks, hopefully will return with results
[03:22] <ogra> LinuxJones: now i'll be settopbox specialist and responsible for the digital headends....
[03:22] <brettcar> kapputu: Maybe you could get a book of WiFi technology to read up more about how wireless radio works?
[03:22] <thoreauputic> tricky1: choose the simple options and defaults
[03:22] <LinuxJones> ogra, your in Europe I would assume ?
[03:22] <ogra> LinuxJones: cable....tv internet viop phones
[03:22] <kapputu> I would definitely do it if I had the time
[03:22] <tricky1> okay
[03:22] <ogra> s/viop/voip
[03:22] <ogra> LinuxJones: germany
[03:22] <kapputu> ok how do I install an antenna ?
[03:23] <cardador> bye all!
[03:23] <jdub> djtansey: haven't done suspend
[03:24] <LinuxJones> ogra, do you have any connections @ your company . I am looking for a European host for a project that I am working on. (will require a fair amount of bandwidth) ?
[03:24] <debby> TheMuso: problem solved, I was trying the wrong ip address, dhcp gave me a new address today.  Thanks for the help.
[03:24] <ares> well that was simple :D
[03:24] <ares> I am _really_ liking this
[03:24] <GotD0t> debby: you might want to check into no-ip
[03:25] <ogra> LinuxJones: they won't host anything not even their own flatrate customers (marketing is sometimes pretty ill)
[03:25] <ares> woot, and there is 'prelink;
[03:25] <debby> GotDot: what's no-ip?
[03:26] <LinuxJones> ogra, you should find a new job :)
[03:26] <ogra> LinuxJones: its a 900 emp. company....huge security crap....
[03:26] <ares> and vlc
[03:26] <ares> !
[03:26] <GotD0t> debby: its a service that lets you download an app that will automatically check for changes to your dynamic ip and then update the DNS servers to allow you to use one address continually
 ubuntu
[03:26] <LinuxJones> ogra, it's just hosting a bittorrent stream :)
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> any of you look at the lunar eclipse tonight
[03:27] <ogra> LinuxJones: i should.... did i mention i have no clue of settopboxes....
[03:27] <GotD0t> im keeping an eye on it
[03:28] <ogra> LinuxJones: but will be responsible for 4mio customers :(
[03:28] <ares> <peeks for gtkpod>
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: yu here every night?
[03:28] <GotD0t> nomasteryoda: pretty much ;-)

[03:28] <LinuxJones> ogra, If they give you a paycheck don't knock it :D
[03:29] <ogra> LinuxJones: i wont.... but i wont be the CTOs pet (which is included obviously ... disgusting)
[03:29] <Drel> i have a dell inspiron 2650 laptop, which uses the geforce 2 go chipset.  I installed the nvidia drivers (by default, Ubuntu booted into 640x480 @ 60hz and supported no other modes).  Now, everything works great, except -- when I logout, or go to shutdown or restart, the screen goes completely black and I have to power down the computer by holding down the power button for 2+ seconds.  Any idea what's causing this, how I could debug it,
[03:29] <Drel> a possible fix,...?
[03:29] <kapputu> hi gotdot
[03:30] <GotD0t> hi
[03:30] <ogra> LinuxJones: what will drive me to resign if i cant bear it anymore....
[03:31] <djtansey> jdub: what laptop do you have? i have really good acpi suspend. even live docking/undocking. just haven't figured out why it doesn't ceme back right sometimes.
[03:31] <WW> Basic hardware question: is "15 pin D-sub" the standard VGA-type connector?
[03:31] <geppy> Ubuntu seems unstable.  XMMS randomly crashes, especially when I'm applying/configuring plugins.  Rhythmbox crashes, especially when I'm trying to add more music.  GAIM sometimes crashes, seemingly at random.  Point2Play/Cedega crash without doing anything. Evolution/GRIP will crash, and then refuse to open again.  For the record, Firefox is stable.  :)
[03:32] <LinuxJones> ogra, I levft a job that I was in for 12 years that I hated. I quite frankly told them exactly what I thought of them. (that wasnt' very much) I don't recommend it as you will need some good references for your next job :)
[03:32] <GotD0t> geppy: I've never hadd XMMS crash on me
[03:32] <geppy> Yeah, I never have, under any other distro.
[03:33] <WW> geppy: The only program that I recall crashing in the last few weeks is Screem.  (But I don't use XMMS or P.../Cedega.)
[03:33] <ogra> LinuxJones: i got my cv... thats enough.....at least to find _something_
[03:33] <LinuxJones> 3-0 Boston over the Cards...series is over (in the 4th)
[03:33] <GotD0t> wow
[03:33] <LinuxJones> ogra, cv ?
[03:34] <ogra> LinuxJones: curriculum vitae, course of life ?
[03:34] <reformed> LinuxJones:  I did that once, now it's come back to bite me in the ass.  :)
[03:36] <LinuxJones> reformed, you can't dwell on the past I just told them the truth (as you did) I have no regrets. Sure I have NO money but I have my pride :)
[03:36] <GotD0t> haha
[03:38] <LinuxJones> reformed, my resignation letter was 3 pages long, I am sure that those idiots are still passing it around to different departments (and it's been 3 years) !!!!
[03:38] <ogra> lol
[03:39] <kapputu> ok ye'all
[03:39] <GotD0t> ?
[03:39] <kapputu> Fresh ubuntu
[03:40] <kapputu> see you in approx 40 mins ?
[03:40] <GotD0t> have fun
[03:40] <kapputu> thanks
[03:40] <kapputu> ogra please explain GotDot where I screwed up
[03:40] <GotD0t> kapputu: you might wanna back up some config files...
[03:41] <kapputu> hmmm yes !!
[03:41] <kapputu> how do I do that
[03:41] <ogra> GotD0t: he corrupted his filesys (ext2) and wants to switch to ext3 now
[03:41] <GotD0t> well figure out which ones you need and email em to yourself or put em on a floppy
[03:41] <ogra> GotD0t: and wants to spilt in more partitions...
[03:42] <izaac> hey people, in the installation process, it is safe to format with XFS for / ?
[03:42] <izaac> i will get no errors with grub?
[03:42] <ogra> izaac: if you know how to run grub twice
[03:42] <kapputu> ogra, you never told me how to get it into more partitions :(
[03:42] <GotD0t> ogra: how does one corrupt ones filesystem?
[03:43] <jdub> djtansey: Dell X300, it has a borky DSDT, which i haven't bothered to play with yet
[03:43] <izaac> why do i need to run it twice?
[03:43] <ogra> GotD0t: powerloss on write.....
[03:43] <GotD0t> ogra: oh
[03:43] <ogra> izaac: i read its a workaround.... grub works the second time....
[03:44] <kapputu> ogra: how does one corrupt ones filesystem? -- by installing ext2 :-(
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:44] <izaac> ogra: then i must not format the root partition with XFS?
[03:45] <ogra> clouds :(
[03:45] <GotD0t> watch it online
[03:45] <izaac> its weird there is not a warning for this in the installer :S
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> how do you change the root password for Ubuntu
[03:45] <ogra> izaac: i did it, dunno if it works everytime
[03:45] <ogra> nomasteryoda: there is none ;)
[03:46] <geppy> sudo passwd
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> really
[03:46] <izaac> ogra: mmm ok then reserfs will do the job
[03:46] <nomasteryoda> that's simple
[03:46] <ogra> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RootSudo
[03:46] <izaac> well then the question is: how do i disable sudo?
[03:46] <kapputu> hey the eclise is cool
[03:47] <kapputu> izaac :you don't
[03:47] <ogra> url anyone ?
[03:47] <kapputu> add yourself to sudoers
[03:47] <kapputu> it's insecure but
[03:47] <Hikaru79> OK, I ran the line, it did a whole lot of processing and then it brought me back to the terminal. While it was installing, there was a directory named jdk-1_5_0 in the place where I was installing it. Once it finished installing though, that directory disappeared... is that normal? :o
[03:47] <izaac> kapputu: well ok
[03:47] <ogra> kapputu: the default user is in sudo
[03:47] <kapputu> doesnt work for me that way
[03:48] <izaac> wow cplay rules!
[03:48] <kapputu> what's cplay ?
[03:48] <izaac> ncurses sound player
[03:48] <ogra> izaac: sudo is tied in deeply in ubuntu, youll have to change a lot for not unsing it in X
[03:48] <GotD0t> ok... im done with the eclipse... boring
[03:48] <GotD0t> going to take a shower
[03:49] <izaac> ogra: i take it back
[03:49] <izaac> hehehe
[03:49] <kapputu> ok bye bye all
[03:49] <ogra> izaac: try it out, its ingeious
[03:49] <kapputu> any words of wisdom before I leave ?
[03:50] <GotD0t> did you back up?
[03:50] <defendguin> anyone using NetworkManager?
[03:50] <ogra> izaac: like many other concepts in ubuntu
[03:50] <kapputu> nothing to backup
[03:50] <kapputu> but I would like to save my wireless config
[03:50] <izaac> ogra: yeah like the philosophy
[03:51] <izaac> thats why im here in first place
[03:51] <ogra> kapputu: save /etc/network/interfaces should be enough
[03:51] <ogra> izaac: ;)
[03:51] <izaac> >8-D
[03:52] <geppy> Is anyone else having trouble with Ubuntu being unstable?
[03:53] <GotD0t> not here
[03:53] <kapputu> i saved start_net
[03:53] <izaac> me neither
[03:53] <geppy> Alright.
[03:53] <ogra> no i didnt touch hory yet ;)
[03:53] <geppy> I may just reinstall.
[03:53] <ogra> s/hory/hoary
[03:53] <kapputu> geppy, only because i installed it on a ext2 fs
[03:53] <izaac> :( ext2 its toooooo old
[03:54] <kapputu> no one told me :-(
[03:54] <ogra> izaac: its faast
[03:54] <izaac> try reiserfs
[03:54] <izaac> but not secure for crashes
[03:54] <ogra> but unsafe
[03:54] <ogra> lol
[03:54] <cef_work> geppy: unstable how?
[03:55] <geppy> Ubuntu seems unstable.  XMMS randomly crashes, especially when I'm applying/configuring plugins.  Rhythmbox crashes, especially when I'm trying to add more music.  GAIM sometimes crashes, seemingly at random.  Point2Play/Cedega crash without doing anything. Evolution/GRIP will crash, and then refuse to open again.  For the record, Firefox is stable.  :)
[03:55] <Pizbit> geppy: Hahaha;)
[03:55] <Pizbit> geppy: Sounds reallly odd
[03:55] <cef_work> geppy: default kernel?
[03:55] <ogra> geppy: did you use only ubuntu packages ?
[03:56] <Pizbit> geppy: Sad thing is, it could be something a simple as that it's thursday:)
[03:56] <izaac> my xmms crashes too
[03:56] <Hikaru79> I'm having Rythmbox problems too
[03:56] <cef_work> Pizbit: I never could get the hang of Thbursdays
[03:56] <Hikaru79> And I have xmms problems as well, but I had those under debian as well
[03:56] <geppy> Default.
[03:56] <cef_work> Pizbit: see? I can't even spell it right!!
[03:56] <izaac> but there is a bug because the nvidia driver
[03:56] <Hikaru79> Never had any problems with GAIM so far yet though
[03:56] <Pizbit> cef_work: Hahaha:)
[03:56] <geppy> Point2Play/Cedega use foreign packages, they're proprietary.
[03:57] <Pizbit> Gaim is fine here, only use xmms to awake me in the morning since amarok doesn't have an xmms-alarm plugin yet
[03:57] <geppy> Default kernel.
[03:57] <geppy> Evolution/GAIM/XMMS all Ubuntu packages, except two GAIM plugins, but it was crashing before that.
[03:57] <Pizbit> Rhythmbox, well, my opinion on that is known.
[03:57] <geppy> GRIP is an Ubuntu packages, and Rhythmbox, yeah, I think that one is just a crappy app.  :)
[03:57] <geppy> Nice idea, though.
[03:58] <Pakal> Ubuntu doesnt have modconf!
[03:58] <geppy> heh
[03:58] <Pizbit> Pakal: That's nice to know.
[03:58] <geppy> It crashed on Wednesday, too.  =)
[03:58] <Pizbit> geppy: Must crash on *day :)
[03:59] <geppy> I've installed the necessary packages to fix the NVIDIA/XMMS problem.
[03:59] <geppy> heh
[03:59] <geppy> :)
[03:59] <Pizbit> Change your calendar and you'll be sweet
[03:59] <geppy> haha
[03:59] <fluoro> I don't think Rhythmbox is a crappy app.
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> juk is better
[03:59] <fluoro> It's missing a couple things that I would like though.
[03:59] <geppy> fluoro:  It sucks at not being a memory hog.
[04:00] <geppy> fluoro:  It also sucks at having features that every sound app should have, such as the ability to select your sound preferences.
[04:00] <cef_work> Pizbit: perhaps it doesn't like days with vowels in them?
[04:00] <fluoro> What kind of sound preferences?
[04:00] <Pizbit> cef_work: Ya never know
[04:00] <geppy> hahaha
[04:00] <geppy> ALSA
[04:00] <Pizbit> fluoro: Such as choosing the output sink!
[04:00] <ashari> hi everyone
[04:01] <ogra> geppy: not nesseccary if it works
[04:01] <Raenk> Hi all, how can i get to install xfce4 instead of gnome ?
[04:01] <cef_work> geppy: what sound card?
[04:01] <fluoro> Pizbit: What else would you want to output to other than the sound card?
[04:01] <geppy> Oh, my sound works fine, I'm just saying that Rhythmbox doesn't let you select, so I can't use ALSA/dmix with it, or whatever else it is that I want to use.
[04:01] <cef_work> fluoro: a different sound card? direct to disk file?
[04:01] <ashari> Anyone willing to tackle a frozen install in Virtual PC 7 on Mac OS X?
[04:02] <Pizbit> fluoro: Well, there's esd, alsa and oss emulation, often one works better than the others for people
[04:02] <geppy> Nforce2 onboard + unused SB 16 PCI
[04:02] <Pizbit> Especially when dealing with gstreamer.
[04:02] <geppy> And especially when you don't think high latency is fun, a la ESD.
[04:02] <fluoro> Pizbit: But we don't want to have all of those.  We want OSS and ESD to die.
[04:02] <Pizbit> fluoro: Uhm, so?
[04:02] <geppy> haha
[04:03] <Pizbit> I deal with reality, not dreams.
[04:03] <geppy> That doesn't fix the lack of choice, though.
[04:03] <fluoro> Pizbit: I think having that in the sound player app is bad.  There should just be a "sound configuration" dialog somewhere that sets your sound system, and then all audio players use that setup.
[04:03] <geppy> You can't even reorder the info tabs (track/title/genre/artist/album)
[04:03] <geppy> fluoro:  Well, there isn't.
[04:03] <fluoro> geppy: That's my complaint with it.  Not being able to reorder or rename things.
[04:03] <geppy> fluoro:  Yeah.
[04:03] <ogra> geppy: no choice is the best one....(which would be a direct connection to your soundcard by default)
[04:04] <Pizbit> Someone make a gtk port of amaroK !
[04:04] <fluoro> geppy: Then someone should fucking make one and stop blaming some music player that has nothing to do with that, and shouldn't have anything to do with that.
[04:04] <geppy> I don't understand why it has text dialogs for the info, if you can't change it without using vi on the flat file.
[04:04] <geppy> fluoro:  I would like to, really, but no one would use it.
[04:04] <geppy> People like having apps that don't work together.
[04:04] <Pizbit> Bigots are fun:)
[04:04] <geppy> They think that it's fun.
[04:04] <geppy> hahaha
[04:05] <Pizbit> Not pretending that I'm not one of course.
[04:05] <cef_work> geppy: fyi, all those apps that seem to crash use sound somehow, and I'm sort of wondering if it's having problems with more than one program trying to access the device
[04:05] <geppy> ogra:  ALSA/JACK is the best choice.  :)
[04:05] <geppy> cef: I've configured GAIM to use my system speaker, so I doubt it.
[04:05] <geppy> GRIP doesn't actually do sound, by the way.
[04:05] <cef_work> geppy: total guesswork of course, but I've seen apps just die if they can't use sound and they're configured for it
[04:05] <geppy> erm.
[04:05] <geppy> output, my bad
[04:05] <izaac> well cause there is no java package for ubuntu im trying to build it myself with mpkg-j2se
[04:05] <ogra> geppy: there will be something new in hoary ;) esd is dropped
[04:05] <geppy> cef: Yeah.
[04:05] <geppy> ogra:  YAY!  :)
[04:05] <Pizbit> ogra: dmix?
[04:06] <geppy> ogra:   When is Hoary due?
[04:06] <fluoro> Pizbit: What's great about amaroK?  I've never seen it.
[04:06] <ogra> geppy: is still discussed i think
[04:06] <cef_work> izaac: best way afaik
[04:06] <Pizbit> fluoro: Check out their website amarok.kde.org iirc
[04:06] <geppy> ogra:  Alright, thanks.  :)
[04:06] <izaac> afaik?
[04:06] <ogra> hoary will get released in april
[04:06] <Pizbit> fluoro: Look at the feature list and screen shots.
[04:06] <fluoro> Okay.
[04:06] <cef_work> as far as I know
[04:06] <geppy> But really, if someone wrote an app to set a default soundsystem for everything, would distro managers use it?  Odds are, no.
[04:06] <Pizbit> fluoro: Oh yeah, and the devs are great fun:)
[04:07] <fluoro> Pizbit: At a glance, it looks pretty cool.  Except that I'm not sure if I like the browser-style interface for a music player.
[04:07] <ogra> geppy: but why, if the right selection is made its enough
[04:07] <Pizbit> fluoro: There is the player-window only mode
[04:07] <tricky1> okay, got it working by removing my ATI Card
[04:08] <geppy> ogra:  ESD != right selection
[04:08] <cef_work> oss needs to die soon.. just a pity some of the alsa drives are still buggy
[04:08] <Pizbit> fluoro: Basically browser + player window, player window or browser window, three combinations:)
[04:08] <tricky1> Now i have a question about my mounted windows drive(FAT32)
[04:08] <geppy> Amarok looks nice, but it's KDE.
[04:08] <fluoro> Pizbit: Sounds potentially confusing. =)
[04:08] <fluoro> Pizbit: But still does look pretty nice.
[04:09] <tricky1> When I try to goto "Documents and Settings" the file manager thinks it's a normal file and not a folder
[04:09] <tricky1> it this a bug?
[04:09] <tricky1> is
[04:09] <cef_work> geppy: doesn't mean that gnome dev's can't learn from it though.. *grin*
[04:09] <geppy> cef: heh
[04:09] <cef_work> geppy: and the reverse is always true
[04:09] <ogra> geppy: thats why its dropped
[04:09] <geppy> cef:  I would like to port Amarok to GTK+/GNOME. That'd be fun.
[04:09] <geppy> ogra:  Right.
[04:10] <cef_work> geppy: get cracking
[04:10] <ogra> night all
[04:10] <geppy> g'night
[04:10] <geppy> cef:  heh  :)
[04:10] <fluoro> geppy: I'd be all down with working on a music player that doesn't suck, but I'd be more interested in working on it in Gtk#.    But how portable does it need to be?  You're basically aiming for users who use Gnome and 95% or more of them are Linux users.
[04:12] <tricky1> no Idea
[04:12] <Cube-ness> python portability rules..
[04:12] <tricky1> I just mounted the drive
[04:12] <GotD0t> tricky1: where is the docs and settings you're trying to access
[04:12] <Cube-ness> fluoro, theres ppc linux ya know.. and many others
[04:12] <tricky1> in windows it goes to all the user names
[04:12] <geppy> fluoro:  True, but porting it to Windows would be neat.  Hell, I'd never use it, but I'd sell it to my friends.  :)
[04:12] <fluoro> Cube-ness: Yeah, I know.  How is C++ or C# less portable on PPC than on x86?
[04:12] <tricky1> /mnt/windows
[04:13] <GotD0t> tricky1: winxp?
[04:13] <fluoro> geppy: Gtk# runs on Windows.  It doesn't look native, but that's not my problem.
[04:13] <tricky1> yes
[04:13] <Cube-ness> fluoro, didnt mean to imply it was.. just saying theres that kind of portability too
[04:13] <geppy> fluoro:  True, but the people using it care.
[04:13] <GotD0t> trick1: and its the docs and settings on the c drive right?
[04:13] <fluoro> Cube-ness: Yeah, I know.  I think using a language like Python or C# makes that sort of portability easier than using C or C++.
[04:13] <jdub> GTK+ can look native on windows, if built with wimp-gtk
[04:13] <geppy> fluoro:  Odds are, the devs aren't going to be the ones using it, but if they let the fact that they don't care show, no one would be using it.
[04:14] <bratsche> I just realized I've been using my other nick.
[04:14] <GotD0t> tricky1: and its the docs and settings on the c drive right?
[04:14] <tricky1> GotD0t: yes
[04:14] <GotD0t> hmm
[04:14] <GotD0t> thats odd
[04:14] <bratsche> geppy: I guess.  I'm just saying that, as a developer who would be writing something for myself to use, I'd enjoy using Gtk# more than Gtk+ and I think I could develop a better product faster.
[04:15] <Cube-ness> bratsche, what i like is making an app in wxPython.. write it once and it runs all over the place.. windows, osx, linux, etc etc
[04:15] <GotD0t> trick1: it shouldn't be like that
[04:15] <tricky1> When I try going to it in XMMS it thinks it's a file
[04:15] <geppy> Is amarok in the depository?  I don't see it.
[04:15] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Yeah, that's very cool.  I like Python, but for some reason I've never really considered using it seriously.  I honestly don't know why.
[04:15] <tricky1> Or Gaim for images
[04:15] <tricky1> but i can cd to it from the terminal
[04:16] <geppy> Cube-ness:  I've never used py, I might give it a try.
[04:16] <thoreauputic> tricky1: if you browse to it in nautilus does it show as a directory?
[04:16] <bratsche> Cube-ness: One reason is likely that I just feel more comfortable with things with C-like syntax.  I know that sounds really stupid and amateurish though.
[04:17] <Cube-ness> python is absolutely amazing.. cant recommend it enough
[04:17] <bratsche> Why?
[04:17] <tricky1> nautilus is the file browser right?
[04:17] <bratsche> tricky1: Yes.
[04:17] <tricky1> it sees it as a normal file
[04:17] <tricky1> not as a directory
[04:17] <Cube-ness> bratsche, well, its gets out of my way.. lets me think about my app rather than language quirks
[04:18] <Cube-ness> and you can code at lightspeed
[04:18] <Cube-ness> hehe
[04:18] <GotD0t> tricky1: are you sure you're poitning to the same place, and not say... the my documents folder
[04:18] <thoreauputic> tricky1: but in a terminal it shows as a directory, right?
[04:18] <geppy> Okay, does anyone here _use_ Amarok under Ubuntu?
[04:18] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Sorry, I misread what you said.  I thought you said "python is absolutely amazing.. cant recommend it though".  Sorry. =)
[04:18] <tricky1> thoreauputic, Right
[04:18] <Cube-ness> hehe
[04:19] <thoreauputic> tricky1: are you sure you are looking at the same thing when you do it with the file browser?
[04:19] <WW_MoonWatch> ooohh, just a sliver left...
[04:20] <tricky1> thoreauputic, Yes
[04:20] <bratsche> Cube-ness: I guess since I have no real experience with Python or that community, I always sort of think about performance.  I guess I could sit down and try to experiment around with performance in a Python program, a C++ program, and a C# program.
[04:20] <tricky1> each time /mnt/windows
[04:20] <bratsche> I doubt I ever will though.
[04:20] <tricky1> I mounted it using mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows/
[04:20] <GotD0t> tricky1: only thing i can think of would be to umount then mount it again
[04:20] <tricky1> tried that
[04:21] <GotD0t> oh
[04:21] <tricky1> maybe add it to fstab?
[04:21] <GotD0t> dunno what else
[04:21] <GotD0t> its fat32?
[04:21] <Cube-ness> bratsche, performance, as in sheer computing power?
[04:21] <tricky1> yes
[04:23] <izaac> hey dudes how can i install only the security updates using apt-get ?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> tricky1: very weird :/
[04:23] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Yeah, I guess so.  Like, how would the three compare in doing some big-ass searching/sorting algorithms.  That would be an interesting test.  I'm too lazy to actually try it out though.
[04:23] <jdub> izaac: only enable the security line in sources.list
[04:24] <izaac> and, then....
[04:24] <tricky1> hmmm i just tried double clicking it in nautilus and the directory disappeared
[04:24] <tricky1> I'm using RC1
[04:24] <tricky1> I saw somewhere about RC2 being out?
[04:25] <Cube-ness> bratsche, c++ would likely win, in the end.. however, the python versio would likely take 1/10th the time to implement, giving you more time to do other things, or optimize the routine further. hehe
[04:25] <jdub> izaac: apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade as normal
[04:25] <WW_MoonWatch> izaac: Are you a command line person or a Synaptic user?
[04:25] <jdub> tricky1: RC2 of...?
[04:25] <GotD0t> and its on WinXP? i thought XP used NTFS
[04:25] <GotD0t> like, exclusively...
[04:25] <GotD0t> tricky1: did you upgrade XP from a previous windows version?
[04:26] <tricky1> no
[04:26] <tricky1> It's SP2
[04:26] <GotD0t> haha
[04:26] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: no, you can choose to have fat32 with XP
[04:26] <tricky1> FAT32 is faster
[04:26] <bratsche> Cube-ness: It would be interesting to see how Python and C# compare in both runtime and in implementation time.  For me, I expect that I would implement things faster in C# since I'm somewhat comfortable with it now.
[04:26] <tricky1> but NTFS is more secure
[04:26] <thoreauputic> tricky1: ah - sp2 breaks stuff, from what I've heard
[04:26] <GotD0t> well if you dont care as much about speed you MIGHT want to try converting to NTFS
[04:27] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Mono's JIT is pretty impressive on certain things.  Discounting startup time, they've got some things actually running faster than a comparable piece of code compiled by gcc from C/C++.
[04:27] <tricky1> hmmm
[04:28] <izaac> WW_Moonwatch: both
[04:28] <izaac> command and GUI
[04:28] <tricky1> Is there a way to upgrade from Ubuntu RC1 to Release without doing a full reinstall?
[04:29] <jdub> tricky1: apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:29] <thoreauputic> tricky1: I don't know, but it's possible you are looking at a Windows problem rather than a linux one here
[04:29] <jdub> tricky1: or, use synaptic to do the same thing in gui land
[04:29] <izaac> but for install packages in debian i used to install via apt-get in the terminal
[04:29] <WW_MoonWatch> izaac: OK, just checking.
[04:30] <Zindar> izaac: you can in ubuntu also
[04:30] <Zindar> morning all
[04:30] <izaac> WW_Moonwatch: thanks
[04:30] <Cube-ness> bratsche, yeah.. but really, how often does 'fast' like that matter? to me, the abliity to code fast, in a clean readable syntax thereby making extending and maintaing my apps easier and more creative (less time thinking about language, more about my ideas) is a good trade off for some speed that you'll only notice in contrived benchmarkings
[04:31] <humprinch> hi all, anyone have any idea how to keep my laptop fan from coming on so often?
[04:32] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Yes, I agree with that.  This is the main thing I have against writing GUI apps in C these days.  I just feel like it's less productive, more error-prone, and for runtime speeds that are not necessarily faster.
[04:32] <geppy> humprinch: ice packs work well
[04:32] <humprinch> geppy: not so well for the crotch though
[04:32] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Then again, I haven't been doing a lot of GUI app coding recently so it's easy for me to say this stuff.  I've been working on 3d game engine code.
[04:32] <Cube-ness> bratsche, hehe.. thats why i said "pygtk".. hehe
[04:32] <RageMax> sooo...where is the xorg.conf file exactly?
[04:32] <tricky1> hmmm
[04:33] <RageMax> because I just searched the entire fs for it
[04:33] <tricky1> this looks normal, right
[04:33] <Cube-ness> RageMax, /etc/X11
[04:33] <tricky1> /dev/hdc1 on /mnt/windows type vfat (rw)
[04:33] <bratsche> Cube-ness: Personally, I'd be more productive in C#.  But that's just because I'm more familiar with it.  I might be able to becomee more productive in Python if I spent more time with it first.
[04:33] <geppy> hmm..
[04:33] <geppy> I think something just might be wrong with my sound setup, after all.
[04:34] <geppy> Just installed JuK, and it's crashing like crazy.
[04:34] <bratsche> heh
[04:34] <geppy> :)
[04:34] <bratsche> I knew it wasn't rhythmbox's fault!
[04:34] <geppy> hahaha
[04:34] <bratsche> =)
[04:34] <geppy> Rhythmbox just _won't_ _recognize most of my music, though.  =)
[04:35] <geppy> Either way, I think I'm off for a fresh install.
[04:35] <bratsche> Bummer.
[04:35] <geppy> heh
[04:35] <bratsche> The thing about Rhythmbox that annoys me (although someone told me they're working on fixing it) is that I can't rename stuff.
[04:35] <geppy> Killed JuK, but I'm still getting errors all over the place in the terminal that it was using...
[04:35] <geppy> bratsche:  Yeah, I _hate_ that.
[04:36] <geppy> That, and the whole "this is how it comes, you can't change it" attitude.
[04:36] <bratsche> And when I rip a CD into Rhythmbox, it might store the artists as "J.S. Bach".. but I already have another CD ripped and stored under "Johann Sebastian Bach", or "J.S.Bach".
[04:36] <geppy> I want Artist-Album, like everything else uses, for crying out loud.
[04:36] <geppy> Yeah, but you _can_ change at rip time.
[04:36] <geppy> Besides, Sound-Juicer sucks, too.
[04:36] <bratsche> Yeah, but I don't notice while I'm ripping that it's "J.S.Bach" instead of "J.S. Bach"
[04:37] <Cube-ness> grip works fine
[04:37] <bratsche> I shouldn't have to worry about that at rip time.  I should be able to go back at a later time and say, "Oops" and fix it.
[04:37] <geppy> bratsche:  Yeah.  If you want to, you _can_ edit the flat file in ~./rhythmbox/is/a/crappy/app/
[04:38] <geppy> I did that to change a few, and then decided that it was too much of a pain.
[04:38] <bratsche> Yeah.
[04:38] <bratsche> The correct solution is just to learn the code to Rhythmbox and send in a patch. =)
[04:38] <bratsche> But I was told that they are going to fix that.
[04:39] <geppy> heh
[04:39] <geppy> The solution is to use XMMS.  ;-)
[04:39] <Pizbit^> Haha, no.
[04:39] <tricky1> dammit
[04:39] <tricky1> kicks
[04:39] <GotD0t> ?
[04:40] <tricky1> this is driving me nuts
[04:40] <GotD0t> id imagine
[04:40] <geppy> I'm moving my homedir onto another disc, then reinstalling, so I'm out of here.
[04:40] <geppy> See you guys in a couple of hours.  :)
[04:40] <Pizbit> :)
[04:40] <Pizbit> Have fun
[04:40] <geppy> Will do.  :)
[04:40] <tricky1> i could just cp the music folder from the terminal to this partition
[04:41] <tricky1> but that defeats the purpose
[04:41] <bratsche> Yeah, using xmms is not the correct solution.  xmms sort of blows also. =)
[04:43] <bratsche> I mean, unless you actually like it.  Then, sure.
[04:47] <tricky1> how would I add my HDC1 to FSTAB to automount?
[04:49] <GotD0t> adding to fstab will automount it
[04:49] <tricky1> how do i add to fstab?
[04:49] <bratsche> Dammit, I need to figure out this issue with my LANG and environment.
[04:49] <bratsche> Has anyone else had problems getting this stuff setup?
[04:50] <GotD0t> well open fstab as sudo
[04:50] <tricky1> it's open
[04:50] <bratsche> At first it was just annoying because Perl would whine about it.  But now Subversion is rendered completely inoperable while this is incorrectly setup, and I have no idea how to fix it.
[04:50] <GotD0t> /dev/hdc1 in the first column, the mount point in the second one
[04:50] <tricky1> I just need to know what I'm typing in there
[04:50] <bratsche> svnadmin: error: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale
[04:50] <bratsche> svnadmin: error: environment variable LANG is en
[04:51] <GotD0t> tricky1: whatever the file type is
[04:51] <bratsche> Has anyone else recently installed Ubuntu with a fresh install?
[04:51] <GotD0t> can you write to fat32 in linux?
[04:52] <Pizbit> yes
[04:52] <GotD0t> k
[04:52] <tricky1> what options?
[04:52] <GotD0t> rw,user i guess
[04:52] <GotD0t> then dump and apss whould be 0
[04:53] <bratsche> jdub: I went into that locale setup you mentioned earlier, and it didn't fix anything.  Maybe it changed some stuff in /etc/environment or whatever, but it seems that the actual locale data is maybe not installed or something.  I have nfc. :(
[04:53] <GotD0t> pass*
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> like that nick
[04:59] <tricky1> heres a screenshot of my problem
[04:59] <tricky1> http://kc9fmj.com/docs.png
[05:00] <GotD0t> did you just try browsing it?
[05:00] <tricky1> ?
[05:00] <tricky1> clicking on it?
[05:00] <GotD0t> well trying to open it
[05:01] <tricky1> yes
[05:01] <tricky1> it does nothing
[05:01] <tricky1> right clicking makes it disappear
[05:02] <GotD0t> that is wierd
[05:02] <GotD0t> google it
[05:02] <tricky1> no help
[05:02] <tricky1> tried it
[05:03] <GotD0t> hmm
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> er
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> tricky1:
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> did you
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> try
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> doing a ls
[05:04] <tricky1> i can access if from terminal
[05:04] <tricky1> it
[05:04] <tricky1> but not from a browser
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> wow
[05:04] <Agrajag-> hey all, i've been using debian for some time, interested in ubuntu - if i install warty, and keep my system up to date (im assuming using apt-get update/upgrade?), when hoary comes out, would my system be the same as that? or is there a different sources.list for that or something?
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> Agrajag-: that's a question I had too
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> phrased quite well
[05:05] <WW_MoonWatch> Agrajag-: There will be different repositories for hoary.
[05:05] <nomasteryoda> makes sense
[05:06] <WW_MoonWatch> Agrajag-: But they (Ubuntu, that is) say it will be easy to upgrade from warty to hoary.
[05:06] <Agrajag-> ah ok. so you could do a dist-upgrade to hoary i guess? or similar?
[05:06] <Agrajag-> cool
[05:06] <cef_work> Agrajag-: same as if you upgrade from one release to another in debian
[05:07] <cef_work> Agrajag-: you'd probalby have to change the sources to reflect that you want hoary instead of warty, but otherwise it's pretty much the same
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> tricky1:
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> is that as
[05:07] <Agrajag-> yeah ok, ta
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> sudo ?
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> looks like you are using root mode to access that partition
[05:07] <nomasteryoda> what about from a new terminal
[05:08] <cef_work> in fact, it's possible that an update couldbe produced for warty that added in the hoary source lines to sources.list (commented out) so that you could easily select them in synaptic
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> that is a good idea
[05:10] <cef_work> nomasteryoda: I just sort of thought of it.. *grin*
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:11] <Agrajag-> in the topic it says that cds will ship in a few weeks - is that up to date? does that mean they all get shipped in a few weeks, or it gets shipped in a few weeks from when you order it?
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> going to give Gnoppix_warty a spin
[05:13] <tricky1> root@tuxboxrox:/home/tricky1 # umount /dev/hdc1
[05:13] <tricky1> umount: /mnt/windows: device is busy
[05:13] <tricky1> oh nevermind
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:13] <tricky1> still have nautilus up
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:15] <tricky1> mounting from user terminal doesn't help it either
[05:15] <LinuxJones> g'night all
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> tricky1: the permissions are wrong
[05:15] <riley> newb question: can deb packages compiled for woody be run on ubuntu?
[05:15] <Gmail> riley: maybe
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> i have gotten them to wrok
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> work
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> just installed with apt
[05:16] <Gmail> riley: its best you get the package using apt-src
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:16] <riley> well i use apt-get for most
[05:17] <riley> but not all are in apt-get
[05:17] <nomasteryoda> true
[05:17] <tricky1> nomasteryoda: this is my fstab line
[05:18] <tricky1> /dev/hdc1       /mnt/windows    vfat    rw,user         0       0
[05:18] <Gmail> riley: you need to use apt-src
[05:18] <Gmail> please read the apt guide
[05:19] <riley> gmail: ok thanks
[05:19] <Gmail> woody uses gcc2.95 ubuntu uses 3.3 or 3.4 its your choice
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows vfat umask=0,rw,user 0 0
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> umask sets your permissions so you can access the drive
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> as user
[05:20] <Gmail> riley: you need to to be completed on your sytem's lib file and woody package are old and ubuntu use new libs
[05:20] <billytwowilly> Is it just me, or is kde 3.2.3 the latest kde you can get in ubuntu?
[05:20] <riley> gmail: ok
[05:20] <Gmail> riley: anyway the ported all of sarge to ubuntu its under universe
[05:21] <tricky1> awesomeness
[05:21] <tricky1> it works!
[05:21] <riley> gmail: cool
[05:21] <tricky1> thanks you nomasteryoda!
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> hey Linux Power
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> or Linux to the Power
[05:23] <x43> is a 64 bit processor an awesome experience computing wise ?
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> wish i had one to tell ya
[05:23] <GotD0t> me too
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> getting a dual 1.6 opteron for video work ... at work
[05:23] <cef_work> the dual opteron behind me goes quite well
[05:24] <x43> is there a stable motherboard for the operteron yet ?
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> here, send one to...<address hidden> GA
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:24] <x43> opteron
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> x43 sure
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> look at MonarchComputers
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> the sell tons of them
[05:24] <cef_work> main thing you notice the speed on is anything that does lots of memory moves, or heavy number crunching for things like compression
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> with Linux
[05:24] <x43> what motherboard do you suggest ?
[05:24] <cef_work> Tyan S2882 works well, but the onboard video is crap
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> yea, get an Nvidia 8x AGP for that
[05:25] <cef_work> serverworks chipsets tend to be the most stable for dual opteron's
[05:25] <punkass> i am using some Linuxant modem drivers, and i am having the problem of /dev/modem symlink being removed after a reboot..the guys from linuxant said I can add hsfstop and hsfconfig -a to my init scripts
[05:25] <x43> cef is it ok if i msg you ?
[05:25] <punkass> how would i go about doing that..is it something to do with update-rc.d?
[05:27] <MagicFab> Hello
[05:27] <billytwowilly> g'day
[05:28] <MagicFab> Looking for some advice to add Ubuntu as a 3rd OS to my system
[05:29] <tricky1> now that I've got it working
[05:29] <GotD0t> haha
[05:29] <MagicFab> I'd like to know what's the best way to go if I already have a dual boot Win + Mdk10 system
[05:29] <tricky1> windows doesn't seem the same
[05:29] <GotD0t> thats because its not
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> tricky1: yup
[05:29] <caleb_> how do i read a .sgml file?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> windows seems somehow much smaller, confined
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> like being in prison cell
[05:30] <caleb_> arent there special reader apps for sgml files?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> or something
[05:30] <tricky1> too bad I need windows to run Visual Basic
[05:30] <GotD0t> why doy ou need to run VB?
[05:30] <tricky1> I'm going to endup failing that class
[05:30] <GotD0t> oh
[05:30] <GotD0t> haha
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:30] <GotD0t> vb6?
[05:30] <tricky1> yeah
[05:30] <GotD0t> I can help...
[05:30] <tricky1> I dontunderstand variables and stuff
[05:30] <GotD0t> how can you not understand variables?
[05:31] <cef_work> x43: sure..
[05:31] <cef_work> sorry was getting some food
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> ok, if you're going to discuss a MS product, open a new tab... ack
[05:31] <riley> tricky1: so you're capable of editing fstab but you don't know how to program?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:31] <GotD0t> pretty funny
[05:32] <odinson> Hello.  Just wanted to say Ubuntu's installer and default config is the best in my 6 years of Linux
[05:32] <GotD0t> haha
[05:32] <GotD0t> amen to that
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> it is pretty damn good
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> ugly, but very effective
[05:33] <odinson> I think I hit enter like 5 times.
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:33] <GotD0t> heh
[05:33] <riley> yeah, i've been using linux for six months and I've tried 10-15 distros and none of them quite satisfied me except ubuntu
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> heck, i've done about 15 installs
[05:33] <cef_work> the hardest bit is always partitioning
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> very easy
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> my brother made the move to ubuntu
[05:34] <MagicFab> Speakin gof partitioning...
[05:34] <riley> it was made a little bit harder by my weird mobo chipset, but that goes for any distro
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> from knoppix
[05:34] <odinson> Unfortunatly It doesn't seem to know what to do with a sound card/onboard sound combo
[05:34] <MagicFab> Does the install provide tools for repartitioning an existing dual boot Win + Mdk10 ?
[05:34] <odinson> I've got 3 different things in my mixer.  DOh.
[05:34] <MagicFab> Any suggestions on how to best keep those two intact ?
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: go download Hirems
[05:39] <WW> Hello world.
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: boot cd
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> it has lots of tools ... including Partition Magic 8.2
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> ...helps a bunch
[05:39] <MagicFab> Hirems ?
[05:39] <WW> I've been scanning the Nautilus manual, and discovered the fonts:/// URI, which lets you see all the fonts on your system.
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> let me get u url
[05:39] <MagicFab> Not finding anything with google
[05:39] <ken> hello, any idea on Gnoppix 0.8.2rc2 (warty) ?
[05:39] <WW> According to the manual, double-clicking on a font should provide a preview.
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> ken, is that the one that's out?
[05:39] <WW> But instead, an error window pops up.
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> if so, I got it
[05:39] <ken> just out
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> got it
[05:39] <WW> Does it work for anyone else?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> ken, going to check it out
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> Mag
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> sorry
[05:39] <ken> i'm not sure what's its difference from Ubuntu 4.10 live cd
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> Hirens
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/hiren.thanki/bootcd.html
[05:39] <kapputu> hi all
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> hey
[05:39] <kapputu> just back from a fresh install on an ext 3
[05:39] <GotD0t> hi kapputu
[05:39] <GotD0t> how'd that go
[05:39] <kapputu> previous one on ext2 got corrupted
[05:39] <kapputu> it was good
[05:39] <MagicFab> So.. I know about partition tools
[05:39] <kapputu> had some probs first up
[05:39] <punkass> WW: I get a can't display Location error
[05:39] <kapputu> it's been slow
[05:39] <GotD0t> oh?
[05:39] <MagicFab> I was just wondering what would be the best way to go if I already have coexisting Win98 + Mdk10
[05:39] <WW> punkass: Is that when you enter fonts:/// ?
[05:39] <kapputu> and the eth0 failed
[05:39] <kapputu> so I couldn't download packages from the net
[05:39] <kapputu> don't know what I missed
[05:39] <kapputu> I'm going to do a sudo base-config
[05:39] <punkass> WW: i can enter there...and there is the icons of each font with the letters Aa but when I double click on one i get that error
[05:40] <odinson> Does anyon know the best way to submit bugs??
[05:40] <WW> punkass: Right.
[05:40] <WW> odinson: channel topic
[05:40] <kapputu> GotDot it's really slow
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: is Mandrake controlling the boot with lilo?
[05:40] <kapputu> firefox takes like ages
[05:40] <MagicFab> nomasteryoda> yes
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: and is installed in the MBR
[05:41] <WW> punkass: I guess I'm off to the Villa Bugzilla.  See you there, odinson :)
[05:41] <MagicFab> nomasteryoda> yes in the MBR
[05:41] <punkass> WW: hehe
[05:41] <odinson> K
[05:41] <kapputu> how do I delete a character in vi ?
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: when you change the partitions...i.e. add one
[05:42] <punkass> Kamion: u around?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> mandrake should see it on boot ...
[05:42] <MagicFab> All space is already allocated. My /home is the biggest .
[05:42] <WW> odinson: Longer answer (didn't mean to sound curt): You can file bugs at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: Pqmagic can resize ext3
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> and ext2
[05:43] <MagicFab> ok
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> so you could allocate 2gb
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> for it
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> from the right side of your home part
[05:43] <MagicFab> is there anything I should do (besides backup) before attempting that ? "defrag'ing" ?
[05:43] <odinson> no worries TY
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> if you really torq it up, you can mod using a bootable
[05:43] <kougar_DVB> Anyone know why xchat in ubuntu doesn't save my server additions or changes. I have to retype them in everytime I restart xchat :(
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> na
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> not needed
[05:44] <punkass> where on ubuntu can i put something so it starts on boot up?