[07:26] <xu-help73w> hello there is there any one that can help me with a very very slow playback, in which Xubuntu is installed on a Vertual Machine with 4GB of RAM allocated to it and 128 Mb of video memory.
[10:01] <xu-help11w> i have tp link t2u nano wifi+bluetooth. When i plug in bluetooth works but wifi doesnt
[10:54] <tomreyn> xu-help11w: what does   sudo lspci -knnv | nc termbin.com 9999    print?
[10:56] <tomreyn> also, what's your xubuntu version?   lsb_release -ds
[11:20] <tomreyn> xu-help11w: this might help https://gist.github.com/julianlam/0ce7692ca10fb91970b6693bc02587ce
[16:00] <xu-help31w> Hello. I've been having trouble with my graphics card since yesterday. I've got a Nvidia GTX 1660 Ti Mobile, and I was using the 530 driver. It worked fine until I tried to update it. The version changed to 535 and then it stopped working - I wound up booting to the console.
[16:00] <xu-help31w> I had to remove the 535 driver, and now I'm on nouveau's driver and don't know which driver I can install that will actually work.
[16:03] <xu-help31w> The drivers being listed in the Software and Updates applet are:
[16:03] <xu-help31w> 535-server-open
[16:03] <xu-help31w> 450-server
[16:03] <xu-help31w> 535-server
[16:03] <xu-help31w> 535
[16:03] <xu-help31w> 525-server
[18:03] <tomreyn> xu-help31w: https://www.nvidia.com/download/index.aspx recommends series 535 for "production"
[18:04] <tomreyn> (and i'm *not* suggesting to download it off nvidia.com)
[18:06] <xu-help31w> I tried installing 535 but it didn't work for me. I got this error. I'll paste it here in a sec.
[18:06] <xu-help31w> https://dpaste.com/7WS9BXPZT
[18:07] <xu-help31w> This happened when I tried to use the Software and Updates applet to install the driver and rebooted. I had to Control-Alt-F3 into the shell and remove the driver to get the desktop back.
[18:11] <xu-help31w> I haven't tried installing the Open Kernel version, though. Should I do that instead?
[18:25] <joeldspy> hello everyone
[20:52] <xu-help31w> Hi. I've been having trouble trying to install nvidia drivers for my graphics card - it's a Nvidia GTX 1660 Ti Mobile. I've been trying to install the 535 driver but something keeps going wrong. Whenever I reboot I keep getting brought to a black screen with a cursor instead of the desktop. And then I have to remove the graphics drivers each time
[20:52] <xu-help31w> just so I can return to nouveau and get the desktop. Can anyone help me?
[21:12] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help31w, how you install the driver?
[21:13] <xu-help31w> I first tried to use the Software and Updates applet I have to install the Nvidia 535 driver. That didn't work - when I restarted, I got a black screen with a blinking cursor.
[21:14] <xu-help31w> Next, I tried to use the command line to install the PPA GPU Repository and tried to use that to install 535. That didn't work either.
[21:14] <xu-help31w> I've also tried to install 525 through the Software and Updates applet. That also didn't work.
[21:15] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help31w, run: inxi -Gxxc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:15] <diogenes_Vx15> share the url
[21:16] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/k7jy6
[21:16] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/k7jy
[21:17] <xu-help31w> The second link is the correct one.
[21:19] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help31w, something is completely messed up in your system, first of all whatever weird thing happened to your intel GPU driver: N/A
[21:19] <xu-help31w> Uh oh. So what should I do?
[21:20] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help31w, i'd start with going to BIOS and look for a GPU related setting, something like: select the default GPU, onboard/discrete/both
[21:21] <diogenes_Vx15> check and see if onboard is not disabled.
[21:22] <xu-help31w> Alright, I'll try to look. How do I go to BIOS? And how do I do that without getting kicked out of here? I'm typing this on the same computer that's having the problem.
[21:23] <diogenes_Vx15> well you will get disconnected because in order to get to BIOS menu, you need to reboot and while booting to keep pressing either F9/10/ESC or whatever key is the BIOS key on your machine.
[21:24] <diogenes_Vx15> it differs from brand to brand, for HP it's F9
[21:24] <xu-help31w> I'm on an MSI.
[21:25] <xu-help31w> So I should start by enabling onboard default GPU or something?
[21:25] <diogenes_Vx15> so it's the DELETE key
[21:25] <xu-help31w> Or do you just want me to check what it's set to and then tell you what it is?
[21:26] <diogenes_Vx15> it's either DEL or F2 for MSI and yes, enalbe onboard GPU if there is such a setting and better take some pics,
[21:33] <xu-help31w> I'm back from bringing up the BIOS and taking photos of everything. The bad news is that I couldn't find any graphics options anywhere. No setting to determine onboard/discrete/both or anything like that.
[21:35] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help31w, ok run: ls /etc/X11/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:35] <diogenes_Vx15> share url
[21:37] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/yt41
[21:38] <diogenes_Vx15> and: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:39] <xu-help31w> I didn't get any link for entering that command.
[21:40] <diogenes_Vx15> if you simply run: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
[21:41] <diogenes_Vx15> does it show anything?
[21:41] <xu-help31w> It doesn't seem to do anything.
[21:41] <diogenes_Vx15> ok now: dpkg -l | grep -i nv | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:42] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/boad
[21:46] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help31w, ok there is a lot of nvidia stukk that needs to be cleaned up and in some scenario it might end up in a broken X so you won't be albe to get into the desktop, probably even reinstalling the system, are you sure you want to go for this? Do you have any data back up? Any installation media for an eventul reinstall?
[21:47] <xu-help31w> I've got my flash drive that I used to install Xubuntu on.
[21:48] <diogenes_Vx15> ok then we can try if you want.
[21:49] <xu-help31w> Alright. What do I need to do?
[21:51] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt-get remove --purge '^nvidia-.*'
[21:52] <diogenes_Vx15> and notice if it drags down the xubuntu-desktop package, if it marks to remove this package then we will need to reinstall it afretwareds.
[21:52] <diogenes_Vx15> d
[21:52] <xu-help31w> Done. It looks like nothing nvidia-related was included, so it didn't remove anything.
[21:53] <diogenes_Vx15> ok let's check: dpkg -l | grep -i nv | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:55] <xu-help31w> http://termbin.com/elnw
[21:56] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt purge libnvidia*
[21:56] <xu-help31w> Done.
[21:57] <diogenes_Vx15> dpkg -l | grep -i nv | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:58] <xu-help31w> http://termbin.com/ywuz
[21:59] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt purge libnvidia-*
[22:00] <xu-help31w> Didn't remove anything. Noticed the messages which said "Package 'libnvidia-encode-535' is not installed, so not removed. Did you mean 'libnvidia-encode-535:i386'?"
[22:01] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt purge libnvidia-encode-535:i386
[22:04] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/gid2
[22:05] <xu-help31w> removed the encode and compute. Dunno what happened to the fbcl thing.
[22:05] <xu-help31w> But when I tried to specifically purge its i386 library, I got the message that it wasn't installed, so it wasn't removed.
[22:06] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt remove libnvidia-fbc1-535:i386 linux-modules-nvidia-525-5.19.0-46-generic linux-modules-nvidia-530-open-5.19.0-41-generic linux-objects-nvidia-525-5.19.0-46-generic linux-objects-nvidia-535-5.19.0-46-generic linux-signatures-nvidia-5.19.0-46-generic
[22:08] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/3uol
[22:09] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt purge linux-modules-nvidia-525-5.19.0-46-generic linux-modules-nvidia-530-open-5.19.0-41-generic
[22:13] <xu-help31w> Purged the last nvidia-objects thing as well. I think all that's left is to remove screen-resolution-extra. https://termbin.com/7693
[22:14] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt autoremove
[22:15] <xu-help31w> That removed screen-resolution-extra, dkms, and dctrl-tools.
[22:15] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt autoclean
[22:15] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/y8a6
[22:15] <xu-help31w> And I've just done sudo apt autoclean.
[22:16] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt purge linux-objects-nvidia-535-5.19.0-46-generic
[22:16] <xu-help31w> Done.
[22:17] <diogenes_Vx15> ls -a ~/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:18] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/bu86
[22:21] <diogenes_Vx15> dpkg -l | grep -i xubuntu
[22:21] <diogenes_Vx15> does it show xubuntu-desktop?
[22:21] <xu-help31w> Yes.
[22:22] <diogenes_Vx15> mv ~/.nv ~/Downloads
[22:23] <xu-help31w> Done
[22:23] <diogenes_Vx15> mv ~/.nvidia-settings-rc ~/Downloads
[22:24] <xu-help31w> Done.
[22:24] <diogenes_Vx15> cat ~/.Xdefaults | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:25] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/nreb
[22:26] <diogenes_Vx15> ok reboot now and let's see what happens
[22:26] <xu-help31w> Will do. See you on the other side
[22:29] <xu-help31w> I'm back. But I don't seem to have any audio going.
[22:29] <xu-help31w> Wait, false alarum
[22:29] <diogenes_Vx15> inxi -Gxxc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:29] <xu-help31w> I can hear things that my computer's playing.
[22:29] <xu-help31w> http://termbin.com/7f67
[22:30] <diogenes_Vx15> dmesg | grep drm | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:32] <xu-help31w> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
[22:32] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo dmesg | grep drm | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:32] <xu-help31w> http://termbin.com/uhms
[22:33] <diogenes_Vx15> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:34] <xu-help31w> http://termbin.com/5p21
[22:35] <diogenes_Vx15> dammit
[22:35] <xu-help31w> Now what?
[22:36] <diogenes_Vx15> i think i found it
[22:36] <diogenes_Vx15> you followed some random advice and added nomodeset to your boot kernel parameters.
[22:37] <diogenes_Vx15> run: pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY mousepad /etc/default/grub
[22:37] <xu-help31w> Alright.
[22:37] <diogenes_Vx15> tell me when it opens up a file to edit
[22:37] <xu-help31w> And I know it doesn't fix anything, but, I'm sorry for following that random piece of advice. I'm still very, very new to using Linux
[22:37] <xu-help31w> I've got the file open.
[22:38] <xu-help31w> Do I just remove "nomodeset" from the file?
[22:38] <diogenes_Vx15> that's no problem. that's how we all learnet, through many many flames :)
[22:38] <xu-help31w> I've found it on this line here: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[22:39] <diogenes_Vx15> remove nomodeset, save, close and run: sudo update-grub
[22:40] <xu-help31w> Done.
[22:40] <diogenes_Vx15> cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:41] <xu-help31w> I got a warning saying Warning: os-prober will not be executed to detect other bootable partitions.
[22:41] <xu-help31w> Systems on them will not be added to the GRUB boot configuration.
[22:41] <xu-help31w> Check GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER documentation entry.
[22:41] <diogenes_Vx15> as long as Xubuntu is the only system running, don't worry about that message.
[22:42] <xu-help31w> Cool.
[22:43] <diogenes_Vx15> did you run: cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:44] <xu-help31w> http://termbin.com/j7co
[22:45] <diogenes_Vx15> looks good, reboot.
[22:45] <xu-help31w> Will do.
[22:46] <xu-help31w> I have returned.
[22:47] <diogenes_Vx15> inxi -Fxxc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:47] <xu-help31w> http://termbin.com/3wck
[22:49] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt install nvidia-detect
[22:50] <xu-help31w>  Unable to locate package nvidia-detect
[22:51] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo ubuntu-drivers list | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:52] <xu-help31w> http://termbin.com/c6cl5
[22:54] <diogenes_Vx15> sudo apt install nvidia-driver-535
[22:56] <diogenes_Vx15> notice if it goes smoothly without any warnings or errors.
[22:56] <xu-help31w> I didn't see any errors. I just got the prompt to install it, said "y", and then it finished installing. Should I reboot and hope it works out, or...?
[22:57] <diogenes_Vx15> yes reboot
[22:57] <xu-help31w> Hope this works.
[22:58] <xu-help31w> I'm back.
[22:59] <xu-help31w> And I can actually open up Steam now
[22:59] <xu-help31w> Looks like following your advice has resolved my problem.
[22:59] <diogenes_Vx15> ok that's good but first let's check if it actually works.
[22:59] <diogenes_Vx15> open nvidia settings from the menu.
[23:00] <xu-help31w> I've opened up the settings.
[23:01] <diogenes_Vx15> now go to your GPU name tab
[23:01] <diogenes_Vx15> open some game and see if the card actualy works, is loaded.
[23:01] <xu-help31w> Will do.
[23:02] <xu-help31w> You sure there isn't some benchmark program I can run to check instead?
[23:02] <diogenes_Vx15> open terminal and run: glxgears
[23:03] <xu-help31w> Gears show up, and they look to be running pretty smoothly.
[23:03] <diogenes_Vx15> how many FPS?
[23:03] <xu-help31w> 143-144 FPS. My monitor's got a 144 refresh rate.
[23:04] <diogenes_Vx15> i'd like to see a screenshot of your nvidia-settings dialog.
[23:05] <xu-help31w> Dialog?
[23:05] <xu-help31w> I can post screenshots of my graphics card info and so forth
[23:05] <diogenes_Vx15> the nvidia-settings window
[23:07] <xu-help31w> https://imgur.com/e2qoL8i
[23:08] <diogenes_Vx15> ok notice GPU utiliation 0%
[23:08] <xu-help31w> Ah.
[23:08] <diogenes_Vx15> now in terminal run: glxgears
[23:08] <diogenes_Vx15> notice if 0% changes
[23:08] <xu-help31w> It does not.
[23:09] <diogenes_Vx15> ok close glxgears
[23:09] <diogenes_Vx15> and run it once again but this time like this: __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia glxgears
[23:10] <xu-help31w> 21% utilization
[23:10] <diogenes_Vx15> ok so it works, now you've got a few options of how you can run your apps with nvidia
[23:11] <xu-help31w> What options do I have?
[23:12] <diogenes_Vx15> 1) whenever you want to run your entire session with nvidia card (pros: performance, cons: power usage, heat, fans) then in nvidia-settings you go to PRIME Profiles, choose nvidia and reboot.
[23:12] <diogenes_Vx15> 2) is my favorite
[23:13] <xu-help31w> What's your favorite?
[23:13] <diogenes_Vx15> you just tweak the shortcut of your app/game that you want to specifically run with nvidia card and the rest of the system runs with intel GPU (pros: low temp, power saving, cons: less performance)
[23:13] <diogenes_Vx15> and no reboot needed.
[23:14] <xu-help31w> I see. How do I do that?
[23:15] <diogenes_Vx15> let's tryit with your steam launcher.
[23:15] <xu-help31w> Alright. I've got Steam open right now.
[23:16] <diogenes_Vx15> ls /usr/share/applications | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:16] <diogenes_Vx15> share url
[23:16] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/zphq1
[23:17] <diogenes_Vx15> cp /usr/share/applications/steam.desktop ~/.local/share/applications
[23:19] <xu-help31w> I did it. But nothing seems to have happened?
[23:19] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help31w, remember, whenever you run a command and it gives no output, it means the command completed successfully, in this case just say "done".
[23:20] <xu-help31w> Understood.
[23:20] <diogenes_Vx15> now run: cat ~/.local/share/applications | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:20] <diogenes_Vx15> wait
[23:20] <diogenes_Vx15> wrong command
[23:21] <diogenes_Vx15> this one: cat ~/.local/share/applications/steam.desktop | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:22] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/m8ri
[23:23] <diogenes_Vx15> now run: mousepad ~/.local/share/applications/steam.desktop
[23:24] <xu-help31w> It's open.
[23:24] <diogenes_Vx15> under the section [Desktop Entry] modify the name like this: Name=Steam NVIDIA
[23:24] <diogenes_Vx15> below find the line: Exec=/usr/bin/steam %U
[23:25] <xu-help31w> I see the line.
[23:25] <diogenes_Vx15> modify that line like this: Exec=sh -c "__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia /usr/bin/steam"
[23:26] <xu-help31w> I've modded the line.
[23:26] <diogenes_Vx15> save, close the file, close the steam app completely and run: cat ~/.local/share/applications | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:28] <xu-help31w> Done
[23:28] <diogenes_Vx15> url?
[23:28] <xu-help31w> I didn't get one.
[23:28] <diogenes_Vx15> oh my bad sorry
[23:29] <diogenes_Vx15> cat ~/.local/share/applications/steam.desktop | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:29] <diogenes_Vx15> this one ^^^
[23:29] <xu-help31w> https://termbin.com/hl3y
[23:30] <xu-help31w> Gotta go for a bit. I'll let you know when I'm back
[23:30] <diogenes_Vx15> ok i gtgtoo, just open steam nvidia and see if GPU utilization is moving and that's all.


[00:08] <bbwsubbie> hello everyone
[12:24] <brousch> cmaloney: I'm enjoying this Go game
[12:34] <cmaloney> brousch: Cool. :)
[12:34] <cmaloney> I'm finding more enjoyment in playing go than I have in playing chess.
[12:35] <cmaloney> Chess to me feels like a solved problem, or at least a series of opening moves that play out better than others.
[12:36] <cmaloney> Though JoDee and her sister are playing "chess" with friends.
[12:37] <cmaloney> so I've heard stories about "horsie", "the castle", and "the diagonal thingie"
[12:41] <brousch> I have not played much chess
[13:00] <cmaloney> Friend from high schoool named his machines after famous chess players
[13:00] <cmaloney> Alekhine, Kasparov
[13:01] <cmaloney> he was better than I was so I didn't provide much challenge for him
[13:01] <cmaloney> played against several chess computers.
[13:08] <cmaloney> Of course there were the off-the-shelf cheap chess computers from Excalibur that played incredibly naive chess at the lower levels, and took a lifetime to make a move at the higher levels. :)
[13:50] <jrwren> http://www.tickld.com/x/why-you-should-never-drunk-text-a-doctor-who-fa
[13:50] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/kPEbiA - Why You Should Never Drunk Text A Doctor Who Fan. This Is Priceless
[14:03] <cmaloney> That seems canned
[14:05] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Sadly I think a lot of that equipment was still in use when I was there.
[14:05] <cmaloney> was re: https://www.flickr.com/photos/waynestateuniversity/14664659259/in/photostream/
[14:05] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/08utq2 - Engineering students in laboratory, circa 1970s | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
[14:05] <ColonelPanic001> cmaloney: didn't know you went to wayne
[14:06] <cmaloney> I worked there at the CoE
[14:06] <cmaloney> under Cliff Stallings
[14:06] <ColonelPanic001> ah, neat
[14:07] <ColonelPanic001> I've only been in the building twice. CS dept. was part of the college of liberal arts and sciences until after I graduated
[14:07] <cmaloney> When were you a student there?
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> 2004-2008
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> hired in C&IT in 2011
[14:08] <cmaloney> Ah, long after I was there.
[14:08] <ColonelPanic001> worked here 2011 - death
[14:08]  * cmaloney worked there from 1993ish to 1995.
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> know any of the Thompson brothers?
[14:09] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Didn't know you died yet.
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> cmaloney: eventually, if my plans for immortallity don't work out
[14:09] <cmaloney> I know of the Thompson Twins. ;)
[14:09] <cmaloney> But yeah, that's ringing a bell
[14:09] <cmaloney> got a photo?
[14:09] <ColonelPanic001> I hope they do, though, because it'd be a huge waste of all this Blood of the Innocent
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> hm, hang on, trying to remember which works over there
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> I don't even know if he was there back then.
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> there's five of them working in the university, four of them currently in C&IT.
[14:10] <ColonelPanic001> rob, david, michael, arg, who else?
[14:11] <cmaloney> Ah, we didn't do much with C&IT
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> there's one that's been over there a while, but who knows back then
[14:11] <ColonelPanic001> Ah, Brian, I think it is
[14:12] <cmaloney> Brian Thompson?  I don't really know him personally
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> his brother, Rob, is my boss
[14:12] <ColonelPanic001> David is more or less "lateral" from me in another group
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> same more or less for Michael
[14:13] <ColonelPanic001> the three I know are all great guys though, pretty bright. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Brian was an "electronics wiz"
[14:14] <cmaloney> Yeah, though I was witness to some funny stuff
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> (mildly) amusing story from Penguicon. One year I just had met a girl-i-know-in-high-school's boyfriend. I mentioned I worked at wsu (not even what division, etc). He says "Oh neat. Do you know Rob Thompson?"
[14:14] <cmaloney> Like the time they hooked a hard drive to a variable power supply.
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> it was a little twilight-zone-ish
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[14:15] <cmaloney> pro-tip: Chips can heat up enough to blow the top off of them.
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[14:15] <cmaloney> Not to mention the electrical arcing
[14:15] <ColonelPanic001> this does sound like a thompson
[14:16] <cmaloney> God, fun times
[14:16] <cmaloney> Student-rate employment but man that was a great job
[14:16] <cmaloney> learned me a great UNIX there.
[14:16] <rick_h__> party party
[14:16] <rick_h__> one more day then HOLIDAY!
[14:16] <cmaloney> rick_h__: Awesome!
[14:16] <ColonelPanic001> holiday?
[14:16] <rick_h__> bah, vacation, damn europeans messing with me
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> I suspected that translation
[14:17] <cmaloney> hol-i-dayyyyyy
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> but thought maybe I missed something
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> I have a day off next week, but not for holiday stuff. Just doctory stuff. Not nearly as fun
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> saving up vacation time for November, when I'll be gone for weeks
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> and will probably start freaking out from lack of office
[14:20] <cmaloney> I can honestly say there haven't been many times I freaked out due to lack of office
[14:20] <ColonelPanic001> I get bored
[14:20] <ColonelPanic001> just not used to it
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> my honeymoon was probably the first time since I was 16 I had more than a week off of work||school
[14:21] <cmaloney> Try unemployment sometime.
[14:21] <cmaloney> It's the weirdest thing. Suddenly the weekends don't mean quite so much.
[14:22] <cmaloney> 'cept you get to hang out with your working friends.
[14:22] <ColonelPanic001> I sorta tried once - when I was switching jobs, I tried to start a week after I'd leave the current one. They were pushy about starting sooner :\
[14:22] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, I don't imagine it's fun
[14:22] <cmaloney> Let's just say I watched way too much Jerry Springer
[14:22] <cmaloney> religiously.
[14:22] <ColonelPanic001> as long as that time went to good use, then
[14:23] <cmaloney> Yep. Had all the time in the world to cure cancer and make the world a better place
[14:23] <cmaloney> but said "fuck it" and watched the world burn
[14:23] <ColonelPanic001> oh good, I have this lump, may as well ask you abo... oh
[14:23]  * ColonelPanic001 zips up again then
[14:23] <cmaloney> Have you always had it?
[14:24] <ColonelPanic001> it's the weirdest thing - yes, and there's two of them
[14:24] <cmaloney> Hairy?
[14:24] <ColonelPanic001> my god, you *are* an expert
[14:24] <cmaloney> I think you'll be fine.  It is 3:30pm in this channel
[19:31] <rick_h__> :P
[19:31] <rick_h__>  /time
[19:31] <rick_h__> 19:31             Freenoderajaniemi.freenode.net Thursday August 7 2014 -- 19:31:18 +00:00
[19:31] <rick_h__> hmm, seems 7:31pm to me
[19:31] <rick_h__> in this channel :P
[19:32] <brousch> No. This channel is for Michigan. You will abide by Michigan time here.
[19:32] <rick_h__> but I asked the channel what time it was?
[19:36] <brousch> I'm hooking electronic components to my RPi and controlling them with Python. This is fun and a different use of PYthon for me
[19:37] <jrwren> brousch: YAY!
[19:38] <brousch> Hm, maybe I can get this working as a tent security system for camping tomorrow
[19:39] <brousch> I have a passive IR motion sensor that triggers a camera right now. Need to add a flash for night time
[19:57] <greg-g> what's the word for unstated/ignored problems that... sacred cows, thanks
[20:18] <brousch> Random thought: Why do they not offer child care in movie theaters?
[20:18] <greg-g> brousch: million dollar idea there
[20:18] <brousch> You watch a movie while your kid plays/watches some other movie. Give the parent a vibrating pager for emergencies (to discourage constant phone checking)
[20:28] <brousch> I really don't see why this isn't a thing. Hardest part would be lining up correct number of sitters, but I think there would be plenty of full time licensed day care providers who would want to moonlight regularly.
[20:29] <brousch> Require a reservation to use the service and you know how many sitters you need
[20:29] <greg-g> Do you think people would do that instead of getting a sitter so they can also go out for a quick dinner before hand?
[20:30] <greg-g> or whatever
[20:30] <brousch> Yeah, often I just want to watch a movie and don't care about dinner
[20:30] <brousch> Finding a sitter for 3 hours can be annoying
[20:30] <greg-g> yeah
[20:30] <brousch> And then you have to monitor your phone in case there's a problem
[20:30] <greg-g> yeah
[20:34] <brousch> I think you could do it for roughly the price of a movie ticket per kid
[21:06] <jrwren> brousch: great idea!
[21:07] <jrwren> I find night care in general to be lacking in teh world.
[21:07] <jrwren> we have day care, why not night care?
[21:58] <brousch> Apparently 2 theater chains out west were doing it a few years ago


[19:45] <DSpair> arkygeek, Hmmmm . . . You could try to uninstall and re-install kdm.
[19:45] <shirish> _Zeus_: most probably that would hang the whole system.
[19:45] <bsnider> grub has its own identification system for partitons that has nothing to do with fstab
[19:45] <arkygeek> ok
[19:45] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: you realize the file is menu.lst, right?  not menu.1st
[19:45] <_Zeus_> shirish: and you are here asking for help because?
[19:45] <_Zeus_> because you want to hear it and not do it
[19:46] <_Zeus_> i'm telling you what to do, try it
[19:46] <shirish> no, will do it, gimme 5 mins
[19:46] <_Zeus_> ty
[19:46] <theBishop> i just wanted to say the fonts in Intrepid look spectacular
[19:46] <DSpair> Sheesh.... chill people.
[19:46] <shirish> another thing is there a way to get info while the system is booting up, for that also has some info. about the hard disk in question
[19:46] <chrono_trigger_h> _Zeus_: yeah i just tab it because i'm never too sure. and yeah even ip fails
[19:47] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: ok that is done
[19:47] <DSpair> theBishop, I wish that I could take credit, but whoever did the work deserves serious kudos.
[19:47] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, reboot
[19:47] <_Zeus_> chrono_trigger_h: you might want to reboot?
[19:47] <theBishop> DSpair, seriously, it's maybe the biggest user-side improvement in the entire release
[19:47] <chrono_trigger_h> ok
[19:48] <myk_robinson> hey, all. Any of you using 8.10 beta on a laptop with Intel 3945abg wireless?
[19:48] <theBishop> now if only they'd turn off the terrible "sticky windows" feature by default....
[19:48] <DSpair> So, is anyone here interested in helping me thrash about wildly trying to configure quad-head on Intrepid?
[19:48] <KRF> myk_robinson, yep
[19:50] <bsnider> DSpair, that sounds like fun, but i'd rather pull off my fingernails with pliers
[19:50] <DSpair> bsnider:  Well, it's good to know that someone else understands my pain.
[19:51] <myk_robinson> KRF: any issues noted? Mine has a "hiccup" every few minutes that causes the touchpad to freeze for a minute, and the connectoin drops too. It does come back, but it is very annoying. I am using a Belkin USB wifi right now, and it does not exhibit this behavior
[19:51] <bsnider> myk_robinson, intel wifi drivers are a disaster right now
[19:51] <bsnider> they're like katrina
[19:51] <shirish> _Zeus_: I have also updated the bug, can you take a look at the bug once more and see if I should still do that command
[19:51] <KRF> myk_robinson, cant confirm, though
[19:52] <myk_robinson> KRF: on Hardy, i installed the compat-wireless/intellinuxwireless drivers, and they worked flawlessly
[19:52] <bsnider> be glad if that's the _only_ problem you're having
[19:52] <myk_robinson> KRF: i wanted to make sure that I wasnt gonna break anything by installin in Intredpid, but I want to image my hard drive first
[19:52] <KRF> works fine for me... at least every ~3rd reboot :)
[19:52] <shirish> bsnider: it would be nice if you also take a look at bug 283350 as well and lemme know
[19:53] <theBishop> any fellow Intrepid users with INTEL graphics seeing a lot of this: http://i37.tinypic.com/2z7nymx.png ???
[19:53] <NET||abuse> grrr,,, having loadsa crashes on flash
[19:54] <myk_robinson> theBishop: i have Intel X3100/965GMA on my laptop
[19:54] <theBishop> NET||abuse, really?  I was having a ton of that in Hardy, and those crashes are essentially gone for me
[19:54] <theBishop> myk_robinson, you're seeing it?
[19:54] <myk_robinson> theBishop: maybe i missed an earlier message, what issue are you having?
[19:55] <theBishop> myk_robinson, http://i37.tinypic.com/2z7nymx.png
[19:55] <myk_robinson> dorry, i see the above post, let me look atthe screenshot
[19:55] <myk_robinson> is this constant, or just when the page first comes up?
[19:55] <theBishop> it's brief flashes of that
[19:55] <theBishop> most often in Firefox, but i think i've seen it elsewhere
[19:56] <NET||abuse> theBishop: i think this bug is it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/158126
[19:56] <myk_robinson> theBishop: do you see this with desktop effects turned off?
[19:56] <NET||abuse> mmmm, love our in office jabber host
[19:57] <theBishop> myk_robinson, yeah
[19:57] <theBishop> NET||abuse, that doesn't sound right to me
[19:58] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: still the same....
[19:58] <bsnider> your system doesn't boot?
[19:58] <myk_robinson> KRF: can you tell me any more about your wifi experience?
[19:59] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: yeah. same error
[19:59] <bsnider> alright mount your /dev/sda1 in /opt again
[19:59] <Joelito> hi all...
[19:59] <NET||abuse> theBishop: ooh??
[20:00] <NET||abuse> theBishop: not sound right why? Shouldn't be related to that particular bug?
[20:00] <Joelito> is in intrepid fix the apache2 + mono + php5 bug?
[20:00] <theBishop> NET||abuse, yeah, nothing is crashing.  it's less horrible than that.  and it's not limited to Flash as far as i can tell
[20:00] <NET||abuse> feckin mono,, bad enough i have to let php python and ruby live on one server.
[20:01] <theBishop> NET||abuse, i'm desperately trying to keep our .Net developers from putting Silverlight into our web software...
[20:01] <theBishop> :)
[20:01] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist... I hope this is because I skipped a step
[20:01] <KRF> myk_robinson, mhh. sometimes it needs some time to connect to signal, but when its finished its rather stable. the driver itself loads every 3rd reboot or so only
[20:01] <bsnider> mount /dev/sda1 /opt
[20:01] <Joelito> is it?
[20:02] <NET||abuse> theBishop: that's gonna be a horribly difficult goal, they want it cause it implements some ofthe advancd WPL features
[20:02] <myk_robinson> KRF: have you tried this   http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi
[20:02] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[20:02] <KRF> iwl3945                98804  0 thats loaded already i think
[20:02] <NET||abuse> theBishop: so they can program unified desktop/inbrowser interfaces and not change their code between them... still, what a shit sucky framework.. .i'm sticking with python :)
[20:03] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, fdisk -l
[20:03] <chrono_trigger_h> cannot open /dev/sda
[20:03] <Teisei> Anybody else have the problem in amsn that always says "file doesn't exist" whenever trying to send a file or setting a new display picture ?
[20:03] <NET||abuse> anyway,, back to transcribing a feckin site TOS document. :(
[20:03] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, is there something wrong with your hard drive physically?
[20:04] <theBishop> KRF, you're having problems with iwl3945?
[20:04] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: oops. well when i do sudo, nothing happens.
[20:04] <KRF> theBishop, yep.
[20:04] <myk_robinson> theBishop: iwl3945 seems to be a mixed bag. For some it works wonders, for others it works the nerves :(
[20:04] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: not that I know of. I've been running it fine until I updated the beta
[20:05] <chrono_trigger_h> I think I switched live cds if that matters
[20:05] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, you'd better reboot again
[20:05] <KRF> but it may be laptop related. its a dell xps m1530 (there a bug entry on lp for it)
[20:05] <KRF> there is
[20:05] <theBishop> KRF, i think I used to have that, but now it's showing "iwlagn"
[20:05] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: ok
[20:06] <myk_robinson> theBishop: can you pastebin the results of      sudo lshw -C network
[20:07] <theBishop> myk_robinson, "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::length_error'
[20:07] <theBishop> "
[20:07] <myk_robinson> hmm???
[20:07] <myk_robinson> did you run this in the terminal?
[20:07] <theBishop> yeah
[20:08] <myk_robinson> just for the sake of arguement, did you copy and paste that line?
[20:08] <myk_robinson> sudo lshw -C network
[20:08] <theBishop> myk_robinson, hmm, it seems to work without sudo...
[20:08] <theBishop> pastebin incoming
[20:09] <elvirolo> to install flash i need to install flashplugin-nonfree right?
[20:09] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: yes
[20:09] <theBishop> myk_robinson, http://pastebin.com/m468f6173
[20:10] <myk_robinson> theBishop: you have Intel 4965, which does use the module you stated, the intel iwlagn
[20:10] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: ok thanks. So somethinig is definitely wrong then? It *is* installed but it doesn't work
[20:10] <RyanPrior> Is the sound situation in Intrepid any better than Hardy's? I still can't pause my media player to play a flash video because of some audio conflict.
[20:10] <theBishop> myk_robinson, it's working fine for me, so i wasn't worried.  but is that a new driver?  because i thought it was using the 3945 module before
[20:11] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: using firefox? can you post a screenshot of Firefox point to the URL      about:plugins
[20:11] <myk_robinson> sorry, that should be    about + : + plugins, minus the plus signs and spaces
[20:12] <myk_robinson> does amarok work okay in Gnome?
[20:12] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: it doesn't appear in about:plugins :(
[20:12] <hanocri> hello. i've a problem with file-manager (nautilus) :( today, after update, i can't enter to any directory in home directory... what should i test first?
[20:13] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: please pastebin the results of:
[20:13] <myk_robinson> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:13] <theBishop>  myk_robinson have you tried Exaile?
[20:14] <myk_robinson> using it now, is there a way to make it when you double click an album, it replaces the playlist instead of appending?
[20:14] <theBishop> myk_robinson, i don't know, to be honest.  I think Amarok works fine in Gnome, but I've only used it for a few minutes
[20:14] <theBishop> QT buttons on gnome bother my brain
[20:15] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: i uninstalled and reinstalled it http://pastebin.com/m7c6270ba
[20:15] <myk_robinson> i am very new to Gnome, got about 72 hours logged. I used to be KDE's #1 fan, but KDE4 is fruity
[20:15] <epsill0n> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 Beta, and it cracshed all my OS - Kernel Panic. Is Thee some way how I can install it?
[20:15] <theBishop> myk_robinson, really?  KDE4's was just starting to look interesting to me
[20:15] <AstralJava> myk_robinson: Heh, and here I am, converting from Gnome to KDE, because of ver.4. :)
[20:15] <myk_robinson> it looks great, but i feel it was released way too early.
[20:16] <myk_robinson> The Mandriva version is much more functional, but I am spoiled by apt. Cant go back to RPM files :(
[20:16] <epsill0n> myk_robinson happy man, i had a ubuntu crash
[20:16] <DSpair> Grrrrrrrrhhhhgggg!!!!
[20:16] <AstralJava> myk_robinson: It was mentioned that at least 4.0 series was for developers only, but this is getting way OT.
[20:16] <DSpair> Why can't XWindows just play nice.
[20:17] <myk_robinson> AstralJava: take a look at this:   http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotqr2.png     my current desktop. Not bad for 3 days. Cant believe i used to hate gnome
[20:17] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: yeah it was a problem with that live cd. fstab is the same as you gave me
[20:17] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: does it work now?
[20:17] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: i remounted /dev/sda1
[20:18] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: nope :(
[20:18] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: you running 64bit?
[20:18] <bsnider> alright, check /opt/etc/fstab
[20:18] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: no, 32
[20:18] <epsill0n> Guys, have somebody problem with Ubuntu 8.10 Kernel Panic?
[20:19] <bsnider> epsill0n, no
[20:19] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: please pastebin the output of    ls /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[20:20] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57553/
[20:20] <epsill0n> bsnider: should I reinstall the ubuntu?`is there any way to recover back my old ubuntu 8.04?
[20:21] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: http://pastebin.com/m1d96f8ed
[20:21] <bsnider> epsill0n, no there isn't. it was a mistake not to have your home directory on a separate partition
[20:21] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, , no there isn't. it was a mistake not to have your home directory on a separate partition
[20:22] <chrono_trigger_h> ah. I have to reinstall?
[20:22] <epsill0n> bsnider yes...it was... =(((
[20:23] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: not sure, looks the same as mine...
[20:24] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, obviosuly something got seriously fouled up during the upgrade. if you do decide to reinstall, create 3 partitions, one for root, one for home, and one swap. don't accept the default partition scheme that the disk suggests
[20:24] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: strange, maybe i should file a bug, thanks a lot for your help anyway
[20:25] <shirish> bsnider: I'm able to view all my stuff from the ntfs partitions :)
[20:26] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: you may try purging firefox and flashplugin, then reinstalling them.  I'll just install 8.04
[20:27] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, i would go with intrepid at this point
[20:27] <bsnider> it's 2 weeks from final
[20:27] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: Is the networking problem fixed?
[20:28] <bsnider> what networking problem?
[20:28] <myk_robinson> in Gnome, is there a key to press to open a directory in the terminal? I have the nautilus script installed, but I am more of a keyboard person
[20:29] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: there is a bug in the latest network manager that has duplicate entries of the 128 encryption. I won't be able to wirelessly connect to my router at home that uses a 64-bit hex encryption
[20:29] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: i tried deleting my profile, but it doens't work. by purging you mean apt-get remove --purge ?
[20:29] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, if you say so. it may have been fixed
[20:29] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: yes
[20:30] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: are you using it right now?
[20:31] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, network-manager? yes. connecting with wpa2 perrsonal
[20:31] <shirish> bsnider: there are quite a few bugs in network-manager, for e.g. bug 279262
[20:31] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, grab today's livecd and see if you can connect with it before you decide what to do
[20:32] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: can you see if you click Connect to Other Wireless networks. And look at the dropdown for wireless security, is there an option for 64-bit hex?
[20:33] <bsnider> not specifically no
[20:33] <shirish> bsnider: another one bug 280372 but I'm guessing that one is fixed
[20:34] <bsnider> chrono_trigger_h, wpa2 should be good enough
[20:34] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: wpa2 isn't compatible with my router.
[20:35] <bsnider> well give the livecd from today a try anyway
[20:36] <chrono_trigger_h> bsnider: I can't exactly burn a live cd. I'd have to reinstall first and then grab the iso
[20:41] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: still doesn't work, even after purging :(
[20:42] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: in that case, i have no idea. do your other plugins work?
[20:42] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: yes, all the others work
[20:42] <myk_robinson> when you go to a page with flash, are you prompted to install the plugin?
[20:42] <sourcemaker> are there packages for openoffice 3 available?
[20:43] <myk_robinson> sourcemaker: go to http://www.openoffice.org  there are .deb files you can download. Just remove the other openoffice first
[20:44] <sourcemaker> myk_robinson: well... I would like to use the repository... so that updates are automatically installed
[20:44] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: yes, that's right
[20:45] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: what happens, does ubuntu attempt to autoload the plugi?
[20:45] <myk_robinson> visit http://www.homestarrunner.com
[20:47] <arkygeek> hi.  so this is really weird... I thought i had things working beautifully
[20:47] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: no, but i use kubuntu, so i don't think it ever does anyway
[20:47] <myk_robinson> oh, i thought you were in gnome.
[20:47] <arkygeek> what happened is all of a sudden the screen froze, and then I couldn't get back into kde.  so i dropped to tty1 and did sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[20:47] <myk_robinson> yea, they never added that to Kubuntu. Always hated the way KDE was the redheaded stepchild.. wish they'd put more love into it
[20:48] <arkygeek> gnome seems to be working ok, but all i can get with kde is a blackscreen.css or something
[20:49] <arkygeek> could it be the video card driver?
[20:49] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: wish i could help more. I used Kubuntu up until 8.10 would even boot on my laptop, which is why i am learning GNome now.I still have KDE/Kubuntu 8.04 on my desktop, thouhg
[20:49] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: not sure, gnome and kde use the same video driver, so dont think that is the case
[20:49] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: is this a new install?
[20:50] <arkygeek> myk_robinson: yes it is
[20:50] <myk_robinson> if so, from terminal or gnome, try deleting the hidden .kde directory, perhaps a config file got screwed. since its a clean install, you got nothing to lose
[20:50] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: never mind, thanks very much for your help. Good luck with gnome :)
[20:50] <arkygeek> good idea.  will do that now
[20:50] <myk_robinson> should be /home/user/.kde
[20:51] <myk_robinson> from console,     rm -r /home/user/.kde
[20:51] <arkygeek> hmmm
[20:51] <arkygeek> i take that back
[20:51] <arkygeek> gnome is wonky too
[20:51] <arkygeek> i wonder if i am too hot.... how do i tell temperatures?
[20:51] <arkygeek> from cli
[20:51] <myk_robinson> is the computer in question connected to the internet now?
[20:51] <arkygeek> yes
[20:51] <arkygeek> i am on it
[20:52] <arkygeek> weechat
[20:52] <arkygeek> :D
[20:52] <myk_robinson> you'll need to install some stuff...
[20:52] <arkygeek> ok
[20:52] <myk_robinson> sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[20:55] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: after that, run    sudo sensors-detect
[20:56] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: it seems a bug has already been filed anyway
[20:57] <myk_robinson> elvirolo: can you post the bug report? i'm curious
[20:57] <arkygeek> ok, temp is ok. (38/42)
[20:57] <arkygeek> rebooting.... brb
[20:57] <arkygeek> quit
[20:57] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: what about hard drive temp?
[20:57] <myk_robinson> hddtemp
[20:57] <arkygeek> oh
[20:57] <myk_robinson> sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
[20:57] <myk_robinson> or something like that
[20:58] <elvirolo> myk_robinson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/281958
[21:00] <DanaG> Grr, panel applets randomly moved around again.
[21:00] <DanaG> I'm glad whoever coded the "lock to panel" feature in Gnome... doesn't make door locks. =þ
[21:03] <arkygeek> myk_robinson: hdd is 50C
[21:04] <lamalex> DanaG: lol
[21:04] <myk_robinson> arkygeek: what video card you running?
[21:04] <arkygeek> nvidia
[21:04] <myk_robinson> using the nvidia driver or vesa?
[21:04] <arkygeek> nvidia driver
[21:04] <arkygeek> 177
[21:06] <myk_robinson> i gotta go. Sorry I haven't been much help to anybody, but its been nice talking with you all.
[21:14] <nspyr> anyone used tilda?
[21:22] <histo> Does upgrading to a new version remove all the extra apps i've installed?
[21:22] <Pici> histo: no.
[21:22] <histo> I've always done a fresh install
[21:23] <histo> Should I worry about cleaning out hidden files in ~ for settings that may not be needed in 8.10
[21:27] <shamus> my XChat window as well as my rhythmbox window are both using default GNOME theme, while everything else is using 8.10 theme
[21:27] <shamus> anybody got any ideas?
[21:32] <serenecloud> has anyone updated recently and had issues with wifi on laptops?
[21:32] <veloc1ty> i did and i had no issues
[21:33] <serenecloud> restarting now, hoping that it's gonna magically fix
[21:33] <serenecloud> Aspire One btw
[21:33] <theBishop> has anyone noticed the Compiz Manager is impossible to read with the NewHuman/DarkRoom theme?
[21:33] <histo> Have to figure out of I have one of the effected network cards that is disabled.
[21:34] <histo> is there a way to figure that out?
[21:36] <serenecloud> crap, i still can't see any wireless points in network-manager
[21:37] <serenecloud> can anyone help me diagnose this? i wanna use this laptop on wifi at a clients place rather soon
[21:37]  * serenecloud was stupid for upgrading
[21:37] <histo> !wifi | serenecloud
[21:37] <bsnider> serenecloud, what wifi chip is it?
[21:38] <serenecloud> bsnider: where do I find that?
[21:38] <serenecloud> I'm using the ath5k drivers
[21:38] <bsnider> ok run iwconfig fromt he console
[21:39] <bsnider> serenecloud, wait. were you using madwifi before? if so, you need to remove the linux-restricted-drivers package because ath5k conflicts with it, or rather the reverse
[21:39] <bsnider> linux-restricted-modules i mean
[21:40] <serenecloud> bsnider: no, not using madwifi
[21:40] <bsnider> serenecloud, how did you get the card working under hardy then?
[21:40] <serenecloud> i have ath_pci in restricted drivers
[21:40] <bsnider> what?
[21:40] <serenecloud> hardy? i'm running intrepid
[21:40] <bsnider> you said you upgraded
[21:40] <serenecloud> apt-get upgrade
[21:41] <serenecloud> from about 1 week ago, so i'm up-to-date with packages
[21:41] <serenecloud> always been interpid
[21:41] <serenecloud> *intrepid
[21:41] <serenecloud> http://pastebin.com/m5b9e1ceb
[21:42] <bsnider> well, you can try modprobe -r ath5k and hten modprobe ath5k. other than that, i don't know. i don't really understand what you're trying to say here
[21:43] <serenecloud> sorry if i'm not being clear,
[21:43] <LogicalDash> Hey, I use Enigmail and the prompt for my passphrase isn't taking my input.
[21:43] <serenecloud> I'm running intrepid and I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade this morning
[21:43] <serenecloud> part way through the upgrade my wifi stopped working
[21:44] <serenecloud> had to connect through a wire to finish the upgrade
[21:44] <serenecloud> and still wifi won't pick up anything
[21:45] <a|wen> if anyone here has 5 minutes or so to test kdesvn in kubuntu intrepid, and tell me if it look okay, i would really apreciate it ... it's in my PPA right now for testing: https://edge.launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive
[21:51] <serenecloud> don't suppose there's a "roll packages back to before last update" button?
[21:59] <zyrorl> anyone know why aRts crashes regularly when running KDE apps?
[21:59] <zyrorl> in normal ubuntu?
[21:59] <zyrorl> when i run amarok or kde ftp program or something similar it'll come up and say that arts has crashed or something
[22:07] <Ryoushi> Hey, any reason my sound system would randomly stop being able to play sounds for about 1 to 3 seconds and then start working again?
[22:08] <arkygeek> hi again everyone
[22:08] <arkygeek> i am having a problem with nvidia-settings
[22:09] <arkygeek> when i try to save the configuration to xorg it seg faults... anyone else?
[22:11] <zyrorl> what version of the drivers you running?
[22:11] <zyrorl> 177 or 173?
[22:11] <zyrorl> apparently 177 aren't yet fully compatible with the version of xorg that intrepid uses
[22:11] <arkygeek> 177
[22:12] <zyrorl> try downgrading to 173 if you arent already using it
[22:12] <arkygeek> ok will try that
[22:12] <zyrorl> it fixed my problems
[22:12] <zyrorl> no worries
[22:13] <Ryoushi> uhg, there it went again.  I keep getting these random sound stops for about 1 or 3 seconds.  It's irritating.
[22:13] <Ryoushi> anyone know a reason that would happen?
[22:14] <arkygeek> Ryoushi: i'm not reall
[22:14] <arkygeek> y sure why that would happen
[22:14] <arkygeek> ;-)
[22:14] <zyrorl> no idea Ryoushi...
[22:15] <Ryoushi> weird, because it keeps happening to me >.<
[22:15] <zyrorl> arkygeek - other issues i had with 177 drivers were things like the windows wouldnt redraw correctly you'd have to move them or scroll or something to be able to see the actual window contents
[22:15] <zyrorl> 173 was fine though
[22:15] <Ryoushi> and I can't really file a bug report if I don't even know what the problem is caused by, or any notable details.
[22:15] <Ryoushi> other than the problem itself.
[22:17] <zyrorl> read syslog while issue is happening?
[22:18] <Ryoushi> worth a shot.
[22:18] <Ryoushi> also, arkygeek, what do you mean "i'm not reall"?
[22:22] <arkygeek> Ryoushi: i was stuittering like the sound
[22:22] <arkygeek> (been in front of screen too long today) :P sorry heh
[22:26] <technopagan> Hi! Will it be an easy task to encrypt a user's complete /home partition using Intrepid's simple built-in folder-encryption?
[22:29] <lfaraone> Hey, my install froze at the |select and install software| phase at 6% (amd netinstall via unetbootin)
[22:29] <lfaraone> the text on the screen is "plese wait"
[22:29] <webmaren> I tried installing Ibex today, and it went less than smoothly
[22:29] <webmaren> I can boot and get to GDM login screen
[22:29] <lfaraone> And it''s still stuck (this hasbeen a while of wait)
[22:29] <webmaren> but once I try to login I get my background color and nothing else
[22:30] <webmaren> already tried a "dpkg-reconfigure -a"
[22:30] <webmaren> using irssi from virtual console right now
[22:31] <lfaraone> Woah, it seemed it didnt' update to the screen, a switch of a vterm fixed it...
[22:32] <webmaren> anybody know how to resolve the unable to login problem?
[22:33] <Denise> type ur name
[22:33] <Denise> and ur password
[22:34] <webmaren> Denise: smarminess is not appreciated
[22:34] <Denise> you think I m crazy?
[22:34] <webmaren> after I log in, nothing loads
[22:35] <Denise> smarminess
[22:35] <Denise> never I do that
[22:35] <Denise> do you?
[22:35] <webmaren> I've got a plain screen with a pointer on it
[22:35] <Denise> what color
[22:35] <webmaren> background color I had set from 8.04
[22:35] <webmaren> orangish
[22:36] <Denise> and u cant login
[22:36] <Denise> how come u r in ur console
[22:36] <webmaren> well, I can log in, I just can't do anything afterwards
[22:36] <webmaren> because console works
[22:36] <Denise> you can type here
[22:36] <webmaren> Gnome is messed up
[22:36] <Denise> console works
[22:36] <Denise> its good then
[22:36] <webmaren> i prefr to work in GUI
[22:37] <webmaren> it's kind of difficult to use Photoshop in CLI
[22:37] <Denise> ah
[22:37] <Denise> photoshop
[22:37] <Denise> u cant use it in ubuntu
[22:37] <webmaren> and my school is not impressed with essays formatted in plaintext
[22:38] <webmaren> WINE
[22:38] <webmaren> would someone like to actually help me solve my problem
[22:38] <Denise> does WINE works right now
[22:38] <Denise> and what school is that
[22:38] <webmaren> Denise: it might, but I can't get far enough to test it
[22:38] <LjL> !offtopic
[22:38] <Denise> are they good teachers at least
[22:39] <webmaren> LjL: thanks
[22:39] <LjL> i try
[22:39] <webmaren> to summarize: I cannot do anything after logging in to GUI
[22:39] <webmaren> if someone would like to help, I'll appreciate it
[22:39] <Denise> well
[22:40] <Denise> u should be happy of what u got
[22:40]  * maxb spots fglrx-installer upload on intrepid-changes@ - Yikes, that's fast - since it's not even up on the ATI website yet!
[22:41] <xxploit> webmaren, is there a reason your using beta if you have all this work you need to be done?
[22:42] <webmaren> xxploit: if I fry my system, there is another comp in my house that is stable
[22:42] <Mooloo> how can i downgrade to kde3?
[22:43] <webmaren> I just prefer to recover my real system, rather than being stuck on my family's Mac
[22:43] <webmaren> and betas are fun to play with
[22:47] <webmaren> anybody know anything of this failure to login problem?
[22:49] <josephpiche> Question for someone: i just upgraded to Intrepid from hardy, how do I get nvidia modules working again?
[22:50] <josephpiche> the restricted drivers dialog says I don't have any available or used
[22:51] <Mooloo> i compiled mine, it works
[22:52] <ikonia> josephpiche: what card do you have
[22:52] <josephpiche> ikonia: Quadro FX 570M
[22:53] <ikonia> quadro, is that the old one, or the new 4 head one
[22:53] <ikonia> quadro/quatro always get cofnused
[22:53] <ikonia> confused
[22:53] <josephpiche> ah... i copied that out of lspci
[22:54] <histo> oh god errors with the upgrad
[22:54] <ikonia> josephpiche: is it an old card, or a new one
[22:54] <josephpiche> fairly new, and in a laptop
[22:54] <josephpiche> about 6 months
[22:54] <ikonia> Hmmmm not what I was expecting
[22:54] <ikonia> let me see if I can find it
[22:56] <josephpiche> ikonia: it was working fine in hardy, which i just installed yesterday (to get a base for intrepid)
[22:56] <ikonia> josephpiche: to get a base ?
[22:56] <ikonia> why did you just not install intrepid ?
[22:57] <webmaren> update: failsafe gnome seems to be working, so it must be some problem between that and full gnome
[22:57] <webmaren> belay that, failsafe gnome is just able to load my wallpaper and nothing else
[23:00] <josephpiche> ikonia: it was easier for me to download the OS than burn a cd
[23:01] <ikonia> josephpiche: nvidia drivers between kernels is highly volotile
[23:02] <josephpiche> ikonia: did the packages get renamed?
[23:02] <ikonia> I think so yes
[23:02] <ikonia> the packages reference the drivers versions now I think
[23:03] <josephpiche> so, nvidia-glx-### is what i should try?
[23:06] <ikonia> josephpiche: well, you should use the hardware drivers tool
[23:06] <ikonia> in system -> administration
[23:06] <josephpiche> ikonia: it says that no drivers are available
[23:06] <ikonia> josephpiche: do an apt-get update - and look again
[23:07] <josephpiche> ikonia: did that
[23:07] <ikonia> I'd be very suspicious of the upgrade status in that case
[23:08] <josephpiche> ikonia: i installed 8.04.1 off a cd, then changed the sources.list file to point to intrepid, then ran apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:09] <nspyr> whats the problem?
[23:10] <josephpiche> i use a nvidia card and the hardware drivers dialog says that i don't have any drivers available
[23:10] <nspyr> oh. did you try them all?
[23:11] <nspyr> what about 177.8
[23:11] <josephpiche> which package specifically?
[23:11] <josephpiche> nvidia-glx-177 ?
[23:11] <nspyr> ya
[23:11] <josephpiche> okay, i'll try it
[23:11] <josephpiche> thankx
[23:12] <ikonia> josephpiche: thats not how you upgrade
[23:12] <ikonia> JontheEchidna: did you read the upgrade document
[23:12] <ikonia> ooh, he's gone
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[23:17] <histo> Wow my system nuked
[23:17] <webmaren> histo: what's eating you up
[23:18] <histo> Well just tryed upgrading with update-manager -d to test beta. and kablooie system is flatlining (literaly) with 27 kernel.
[23:18] <webmaren> histo: flatlining to what degree
[23:18] <histo> Coulnt' even see the errors have to disable quiet and splash
[23:18] <histo> It was beeping rapidly then flatline it was funny.
[23:19] <webmaren> do you have GUI, CLI, blinkenlights?
[23:19] <nspyr> kernel panic?
[23:19] <webmaren> ouch
[23:19] <histo> .19 kernel works. No cli no GUI no blinking lights.
[23:19] <histo> Have to play around a bit
[23:19]  * webmaren is suddenly appreciative of his CLI
[23:20] <histo> webmaren: I just rebooted and used the .19 kernel that was there.
[23:20] <histo> Have to eat dinner then I'll figure otu whats going on.
[23:20]  * webmaren headdesks
[23:20] <webmaren> did not think to try with old kernel
[23:20] <webmaren> hopefully I won't be right back
[23:24] <Delvien> man i havent had this problem in a while gksudo/sudo apps have base UI, i made a symlink but its not helping, How do i link my themes to that which root uses?
[23:25]  * webmaren is disgruntled
[23:25] <webmaren> no luck downgrading to kernel .19
[23:25] <webmaren> still stuck at plainscreen
[23:25] <Delvien> webmaren whats going on with it?
[23:26] <webmaren> delvien: i can get to GDM login manager
[23:26] <Delvien> webmaren, is it booting at all?
[23:26] <webmaren> but then when I enter my info, it goes to a screen that's just my background color and a mouse pointer
[23:26] <webmaren> yes booting is a go, and I'm talking from irssi on CLI right now
[23:27] <webmaren> just can't get logged in over GUI
[23:29] <Delvien> dmesg?
[23:29] <Delvien> pastebin it please
[23:29] <webmaren> can't pastebin
[23:30] <Delvien> sec
[23:30] <webmaren> at least I don't know how on CLI
[23:30] <webmaren> am I looking for something specific
[23:31] <Delvien> webmaren well anything look suspicious?
[23:31] <webmaren> brb phonecall sorry
[23:31] <Delvien> lol
[23:32] <jasonkim> I can't install "libflashsupport" with "flashplugin-nonfree"..  Has something been changed?  Anyone has sound problem with firefox and pulseaudio?
[23:32] <webmaren> back
[23:33] <webmaren> would you happen to know how to scroll up in CLI?
[23:33] <jasonkim> webmaren, are you talking to me?
[23:33] <jasonkim> I got
[23:33] <jasonkim> ALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:629:(pulse_prepare) PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Invalid argument
[23:33] <webmaren> no, sorry that was to delvien
[23:34] <jasonkim> you can scroll up shift+page_up
[23:34] <dstambou> is openoffice3 available for intrepid yet?
[23:35] <webmaren> jasonkim: that's a negatory, doesn't scroll in virtual console like that
[23:35] <webmaren> delvien: i don't see anything suspicious in what I can see
[23:35] <jasonkim> Anyone has firefox audio problem with flash plugin and pulseaudio?
[23:37] <webmaren> i got it, delvien, output to file and opened it in nano
[23:37] <MTecknology> I heard 8.10 is supposed to be able to start logging onto a wireless network before logging into a computer - is that an actual possibility?
[23:39] <webmaren> MTecknology: I'm using wireless from CLI, but I think that's always been a feature
[23:39] <MTecknology> I've never been able to
[23:39] <MTecknology> I still can't in 8.10
[23:39]  * webmaren shrugs
[23:40] <MTecknology> Unless that's what that new "System Setting" checkbox is for
[23:40] <histo> brb turned off some options in grub lets see what the error is.
[23:42] <webmaren> delvien???
[23:43] <sorush20> hi
[23:43] <sorush20> just wanted to know what is wrong with my sources list
[23:44] <webmaren> some of them may have been commented out in the upgrade
[23:44] <webmaren> open /etc/apt/sources.lst and check them
[23:47] <sorush20> http://pastebin.ca/1227300
[23:49] <webmaren> i'm not exactly sure what is wrong with the gpg keys
[23:49] <webmaren> you're saying that update-manager is failing to get the keys?
[23:49] <webmaren> have you tried manually downloading them?
[23:53] <webmaren> histo: how'd it go
[23:53] <histo> Well I brought up .27 now got rid of quiet and splash and installed nvidia drivers seems to be working.
[23:53] <webmaren> that's good
[23:53] <histo> I have no log out button though
[23:54] <webmaren> interesting
[23:54] <webmaren> but ultimately not a fatal problem
[23:55] <histo> No, not atm.
[23:56] <sorush20> webmaren: how do you manually download them?
[23:56] <webmaren> i don't remember off the top of my head
[23:57] <sorush20> I thinkg its gpg server.com --get KET
[23:57] <sorush20> KEY
[23:57] <sorush20> I keep getting server time out
[23:58] <webmaren> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GPGKey
[23:58] <Pici> !gpgerr
[23:58] <webmaren> probably on that page
[23:58] <webmaren> or just ask ubottu
[23:58] <Pici> :)
[23:59] <sorush20> there no such key
[23:59] <sorush20> server time out
[23:59] <histo> added the user switcher back now


[00:00] <fta> it says expires on 05/09/2010 here
[00:01] <kklimonda> fta: and does a certificate you got is issued for *.launchpad.net or *.edge.launchpad.net ?
[00:01] <fta> *.launchpad.net, but i'm on edge
[00:02] <fta> oh, ok. i see, all my other pages are untrusted now
[00:03] <fta> 07/12/2009
[00:03] <wgrant> At least it's not the main one this time...
[00:05] <wgrant> kklimonda: (it will have expired everywhere - certificate expiry times are, like any good timestamp, in UTC)
[00:06] <yofel> the https://launchpad.net certificate says it's going to expire on 25 Jul 2009, the *.launchpad.net one on 09 May 2010, and the *.edge.launchpad.net one today...
[00:07] <kklimonda> wgrant: isn't it still yesterday in UTC timezone? ;)
[00:08] <kklimonda> (I love those time zone problems that internet brings..)
[00:08] <elmo> I'm working on it
[00:09] <wgrant> Thanks elmo.
[00:09]  * tumbleweed is sure he mentioned that this was about to expire, about a week ago
[00:09] <wgrant> tumbleweed: Yep, I hoped somebody would notice that...
[00:09] <Daviey> elmo: After that, fancy fixing planet.ubuntu.com? :)
[00:10] <yofel> if you're already at it check the one for https://launchpad.net - it tells me it's going to expire in 2 weeks ^^
[00:48] <elmo> (fixed a while ago, was beating some sense into verification by non-browsers)
[00:53] <wgrant> Is edge going to update at some point?
[00:53] <wgrant> It hasn't in a couple of days.
[00:54] <wgrant> (which makes running lots of scripts in possible, as the last update broke retrieval of most SPPHs)
[00:54]  * wgrant fails again.
[00:54] <wgrant> I cannot think this morning.
[00:56] <elmo> wgrant: I think it's deliberately disabled, but I don't honestly know why
[00:58] <wgrant> elmo: OK, thanks.
[00:58] <elmo> Daviey: I can see it's broken, but the fix doesn't look like 1am material; can you file an RT?  (I couldn't see one at first glance, if there is, tell me the number, and I'll have a look tomorrow or have someone else look)
[02:59] <slestak> in launchpad, i cannot find an easy way to find a bug that i reported.
[03:00] <slestak> I would think that a filter for Bugs Reported By Me would be very helpful, of is there another method?
[03:01] <wgrant> slestak: If you click on your name (in the top right), then the bugs tab, there is a filter on the right to find bugs reported by you.
[03:01] <wgrant> You can also do an advanced search in a project for bugs reported by you.
[03:01] <wgrant> And there is a bug reported asking for a simple button to do the latter.
[03:02] <slestak> i did click on my name, expecting to see the filter, let me look again
[03:02] <slestak> yep, go to users lp page, then bugs, all of them are there
[03:03] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[03:04] <slestak> wgrant: i was agreeing that it is where you said it was.
[03:04] <slestak> I didn't click on Bugs first.
[03:04] <slestak> tyvm
[03:13] <VK7HSE> Question/feature request ... Just wondering if it's possible to change the status of bugs that are "NEW" to "incomplete" after 7 days of no response ???
[03:15] <wgrant> VK7HSE: No. That doesn't make sense.
[03:15] <wgrant> Why would you want to do that?
[03:16] <VK7HSE> well say that a bug is submitted, then the person never replies back ... then unless you manually change the status, it will remain in limbo...
[03:16] <wgrant> When asking for information, you are meant to change the status to Incomplete.
[03:17] <wgrant> That's what the status means - the bug needs more information.
[03:17] <VK7HSE> ok but I have some bugs that I had submitted way bay and who ever the maintainer is they have never done that !
[03:18] <VK7HSE> ok.. what you say make sense to me! but maybe it's not for some others...
[03:18] <VK7HSE> ;)
[03:18] <wgrant> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/Statuses is the relevant help page, though it doesn't describe the workflow very well.
[03:19] <wgrant> But it does give the definition of Incomplete, which is what is at issue here.
[03:19] <VK7HSE> ok then... different way to look at it then... why not when the bug maintainer replies it changes the status to incomplete then?
[03:20] <VK7HSE> automagically
[03:20] <wgrant> I normally do it by setting the status to Incomplete, and add the comment in the expanded section at the top.
[03:20] <wgrant> But it would be nice to have a button to do that in the main comment section at the bottom.
[03:20] <VK7HSE> cause I discovered the other night that you can'rt reply and change the status in the one instance...
[03:21] <wgrant> You can.
[03:21] <wgrant> Although maybe not tomorrow.
[03:21] <wgrant> Because bug editing is all changing at the moment.
[03:21] <VK7HSE> Oh this is on edge BTW
[03:22] <VK7HSE> consider me to be thinking aloud! :P
[03:22] <wgrant> You'll see that there is a comment textarea when you are editing a bug's status.
[03:22] <wgrant> So you can do both at once.
[03:23]  * wgrant disappears.
[03:23] <VK7HSE> well next time I get a bug I'll double check that... as it didn't the other night
[04:53] <rootski> there some LP issue? taking an age to connect...
[04:54] <rootski> was fine a second ago
[04:56] <wgrant> Didn't take long for him to disconnect...
[06:21] <micahg> I just got a weird notice that my karma expired?
[06:21] <micahg> is that a bug or by design
[06:23] <wgrant> micahg: It's a bug that appears sometimes when the karma cache is being updated, I believe.
[06:24] <micahg> ok
[06:24] <micahg> already reported, what module is the karma under?
[06:25] <wgrant> Probably launchpad-registry, but I couldn't be sure.
[06:30] <micahg> wgrant: I can't find it
[06:30] <wgrant> micahg: I think it might have been rejected. Let me find it...
[06:31] <wgrant> micahg: Bug #354297
[06:32] <micahg> wgrant: I'm getting something slighly different on edge
[06:33] <wgrant> micahg: What's different about it?
[06:33] <wgrant> Apart from the style changing.
[06:34] <micahg> message
[06:34] <micahg> that one is more descriptive
[06:34] <micahg> mine just says karma has expired
[06:34] <wgrant> Aha.
[06:35] <wgrant> The message was changed a month or two ago.
[06:35] <wgrant> What is the new wording?
[06:35] <wgrant> Ah, found one.
[06:36] <wgrant> So, the new one is more correct, but a bit more confusing. Maybe it could do with a help link.
[06:36] <micahg> or just say, that the karma is regenerating or something
[06:37] <wgrant> Well, that's a separate bug.
[06:37] <wgrant> That message is bad, and you shouldn't be seeing that message.
[06:37] <micahg> they should have just added the word daily to your message
[06:37] <micahg> no karma has been assigned yet today
[06:37] <micahg> or rather
[06:37] <micahg> it's currently being updated
[06:37] <micahg> please check back soon
[06:38] <wgrant> No - there should be no point during the generation where the data isn't there.
[06:38] <wgrant> So that message should never be shown if you have karma.
[06:38] <micahg> I guess that's true if it's an ACID database transaction
[06:38] <wgrant> One would think it should be.
[06:38] <wgrant> But apparently not.
[06:39] <micahg> should I comment on your bug?
[06:39] <wgrant> Please do.
[06:39] <wgrant> And metoo it!
[06:41] <micahg> BTW, I don't think you're supposed to confirm your own bugs, or maybe lp has a different policy than ubuntu
[06:42] <wgrant> micahg: I had confirmation that it wasn't just me experiencing the bug.
[06:42] <wgrant> => it is reasonable to confirm it.
[06:42] <micahg> ah
[06:42] <micahg> ok
[06:42]  * micahg has definitely confirmed though :)
[06:43] <wgrant> Thanks.
[08:11] <RenatoSilva> what's resubmit in merge review?
[14:11] <james_w> has edge not updated since Friday?
[16:54] <Sarvatt_> is there a page that lists the hardware specs for the builders anywhere?
[16:54] <LarstiQ> Sarvatt_: they're virtual machines
[16:54] <Sarvatt_> even arm?
[16:55] <Sarvatt_> i'm looking at pixman now and it determines what optimizations to use based on the cpu features of the build machine
[16:57] <Sarvatt_> theres a few bugs asking for neon or SIMD support in pixman on arm but it depends on if the builder supports it
[16:58] <Sarvatt_> and if its just a virtualized versatile kernel it wont
[17:00] <LarstiQ> it seems a bit stupid to let that depend on the build instead of the host machine?
[17:00] <LarstiQ> I know that is the easy route, but still
[17:01]  * LarstiQ is thinking of mplayers dynamic support for instance
[17:09] <Sarvatt_> ah ok i'm wrong, these are just compiler checks to make sure the compiler supports it and it does have runtime detection. sorry for the noise :)
[19:03] <SiDi> Hey people. Any idea how this can happen in a bug report : https://bugs.launchpad.net/exaile/0.3.x/+bug/157676 ?
[19:03] <SiDi> it's set to the same milestone 6 times and thus is counted as 6 different bugs for this milestone
[20:31] <jfroy> greetings
[20:31] <jfroy> is there a way to change the status of bugs in batch. I just released a milestone of my project, and would like to move all the bugs from "committed" to "released"
[20:32] <nhandler> jfroy: You can use the email interface: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[20:33] <nhandler> jfroy: You could also use the Launchpad API
[20:35] <SiDi> nhandler: the statement about GPG signed, does it mean my email has to be in one of my GPG keys on LP ?
[20:35] <SiDi> or that i should GPG sign each email ?
[20:36] <LarstiQ> Sarvatt_: the latter, with a key that is registered
[20:36] <nhandler> SiDi: It means that the email you send to the LP email interface needs to be signed with a GPG key that is linked to your LP account
[20:37] <SiDi> But thats not required if its only a comment, right, nhandler ?
[20:38] <LarstiQ> SiDi: right, only when giving LP instructions
[20:38] <SiDi> LarstiQ: okies thanks
[20:38] <SiDi> any idea how to GPG sign my mails with Gmail ? :D
[20:39] <LarstiQ> SiDi: Enigmail?
[20:41] <SiDi> im tied to webmails unfortunately :)
[20:41] <SiDi> i'll pass on LP commands via mail for now :P
[20:43] <nhandler> SiDi: Try FireGPG
[20:44] <SiDi> let me see if it works with Shiretoko now !
[20:58] <SiDi> nhandler: LarstiQ: it looks like i can send inline signed emails with fireGPG, thanks :)
[21:00] <nhandler> SiDi: Glad it worked.
[21:51] <[Ramy]> is there a way to automatically build debian packages from git python repository ?
[21:51] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: could you specify a bit more?
[21:54] <[Ramy]> LarstiQ, i want to package 2 open source projects they are written in python and they are using git as DCVS, how can launchpad help me to package them to ubuntu ?
[22:00] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: you can request for launchpad to vcs-import them
[22:02] <[Ramy]> LarstiQ,  what is that ? how can I do that ?
[22:04] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: the other thing would be PPAs to build/host .debs
[22:04] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Imports
[22:04] <LarstiQ> [Ramy]: other than that, I don't know what you have in mind for help with packaging
[22:05] <thumper> [Ramy]: we don't yet have the branches hooked up to the ppas
[22:05] <thumper> [Ramy]: but there are cunning plans
[23:31] <kub1> Hi:  Trying to Telling Ubuntu how to authenticate the PPA , via launchpad.net instructions, when I do the ¨sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 8AC93F7A¨ I get ¨gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host¨ - is this a know error with a fix? Is the host down for everyone? Could it be my ISP firewall (I have to add an ISP proxy for /etc/apt) - do i need to put in proxy info to get the keyserve
[23:35] <RenatoSilva> what is the purpose of ssh key pair authentication? why not type Launchpad's password to connect via https?
[23:35] <RenatoSilva> I mean, bzr branch lp:project
[23:35] <RenatoSilva> type lp's password: xxx
[23:36] <RenatoSilva> instead of using the priv key
[23:38] <RenatoSilva> Another question: If I have a merged branch, but I find another bug, should I create another branch with the same name, or should I get the merged branch and commit a new revision, and propose for merging again?
[23:38] <funkyHat> If I click the "Yes, this is the bug I'm tryin to report" button on launchpad, will it still attach the apport thingys?
[23:40] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: You are meant to only ever give your Launchpad password to Launchpad.
[23:40] <wgrant> That is, the web UI.
[23:40] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: ?
[23:40] <wgrant> And I would be most displeased if I had to type my passphrase for every push.
[23:41] <RenatoSilva> not passphrase, password
[23:41] <RenatoSilva> the one from the website
[23:41] <wgrant> Simple difference in terminology.
[23:41] <RenatoSilva> I didn't get the specific reason for using a key pair
[23:42] <RenatoSilva> instead of the website's password
[23:42] <wgrant> I don't know, but I'm certainly glad it's the case.
[23:43] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: it could be because key pair authentication is more powerful, it's harder to get a private key that a passwod
[23:44] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: however you private key is protected, huh, by your website's passwrod!
[23:44] <wgrant> That is one very good reason, yes. All of my hosts require key-based authentication.
[23:45] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: if someone discovers my password, he can get into the web interface and simply replace my public key
[23:45] <wgrant> While that's a very secure password that only ever gets given to Launchpad itself over HTTPS, I've filed a bug or two complaining that it is inadequate.
[23:48] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: ^
[23:49] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Hm?
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: it's almost impossible to know what is my private key, however my website's password is fragile, comparing to the private key.
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: Therefore it's just about getting my website's password
[23:51] <kub1> What is the irc command to tell my irc cliect (webchat.freenode.net) to not show nic joins & departs messages on my screen? thx :)
[23:51] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: Right.  Important distinction.
[23:54] <RenatoSilva> kub1: yes :D I use it at work, it's problematic
[23:55] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: but it's a disaster anyway
[23:55] <wgrant> RenatoSilva: It is.
[23:56] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: Imagine someone doing this with sabdfl :)
[23:56] <wgrant> I agree with you fully that this is an issue. I've filed bugs on it over the years.


[02:53] <aprez> good evening good evening good evening
[02:56] <JonathanD> Hey.
[06:20] <InHisName> Good Morning all you early birds !
[09:28] <rmg51> Morning
[10:08] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:19] <ChinnoDog>  bah, morning
[13:35] <JonathanD> baaa
[13:37] <ChinnoDog> I should go to DD for breakfast
[13:37] <JonathanD> I walked to wawa.
[13:58] <jedijf> i was tempted to do a 2 for $3 - glad i forgot -
[13:58] <jedijf> and again, i don't even like them
[14:04] <JonathanD> jedijf: there are not many options around me :/
[14:04] <JonathanD> There is Andy's, which is excellent food, but he takes a while too.
[14:05] <jedijf> JonathanD: not judging
[14:05] <jedijf> the don't like them was reserved for the breakfast thingys
[14:06] <jedijf> that are 2 for $3 atm
[14:07] <JonathanD> jedijf: there are only certain ones I like... problem with that is they have a mixed bag of stuff they'll put out.
[14:11] <jedijf> they will make them if you touchscreen it
[14:11] <JonathanD> jedijf: I didn't think the sizzlis were on the screen.
[14:12] <jedijf> i see people getting custom ones in jenkintown - could be verbals i guess
[14:18] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[23:18] <adom> evening all.
[23:18] <adom> been working my new job as a tech support engineer for a proper hosting company
[23:18] <adom> LeaseWeb
[23:18] <adom> look us up
[23:19] <adom> crazy transitioning from call center admin to hosting company tech support
[23:19] <adom> in the call center we had like ~10 racks (not all full) and LeaseWeb has rows and rows of racks
[23:20] <adom> the support is different too. LeaseWeb offers mainly only unmanaged hosting, which means you get a VPS or ded server with root access, and you only call support if you broke the box and can't get in
[23:21] <adom> even then though, we offer iLo and other console connections on a different IP so you can remote access the machine even if the NIC is having problems or something
[23:22] <adom> so rather than geting an email that says "i can't access blah blah share" or "i click an update on the one exchange server and now its broken, fix it", i just have to get the serve rback up or at least get rescue access to the customer ASAP
[23:23] <adom> im liking it because its less stress because i dont have to fix the problem, just get the server back up for the customer to fix it... however it can suck because, as most admins know, the only crappy part about hosting support is the customer
[23:23] <adom> so far ive been working there for two weeks, and i have personally fixed this Asian guy's Windows serer 4 times and he keeps breaking it, or resetting the password and forgetting it, or whatever
[23:25] <adom> we also have to deal with DDoS attacks somewhat frequently. its annoying, but not because of the attack (we just null IPs), but because the customer is all "WHAT IS GOING ON WITH MY SERVER ITS NOT ACCESSIBLE" and i just want to be like "Did you piss off someone on the internet lately that can find out your IP address?"
[23:31] <adom> oh, other cool thing; employees get a free development VPS to whatever reason. they only last 3-6 months sometimes and you have to request a new one, but its great for debugging and testing stuff. the laptop they issued me is Win7, so i have the VPS set up with some debugging linux stuff like nmap and ettercap and stuff. that way i have tools at my fingertips from any PC that can run putty.
[23:32] <adom> well, anyway, </rant>