[00:00]  * BUGabundo there goes U1
[00:00] <yofel> BUGabundo: what server do you use? I just upgraded U1 fine from archive.ubuntu.com
[00:00] <BUGabundo> yofel: PPA ?
[00:01] <BUGabundo> is there another ?
[00:01] <yofel> ... forgot that u1 was a ppa...
[00:02] <yofel> but anyway, I got:
[00:02] <yofel>  *** 0.90.3+r64-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic 0
[00:02] <yofel>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[00:02] <BUGabundo> so now I have 3 commands to run to check for updates... thanks so much Sarvatt /sarcasm
[00:02] <Sarvatt> if anything purge ubuntuone-client and reinstall it with the karmic version after
[00:02] <Sarvatt> you need to let it remove fast-user-switch-applet to upgrade GDM, and get ready for X to stop in the middle of the GDM upgrade
[00:03] <BUGabundo> ubuntuone-client-gnome:  Candidate: 0.90.3+r64-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty
[00:03] <BUGabundo> ubuntuone-client:  Installed: 0.90.3+r66-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty
[00:03] <Sarvatt> just control-alt-f1 then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and let it do everything and reboot
[00:03] <yofel> Sarvatt: shouldn't have gdm ubuntu3 fixed that?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> went fine
[00:03] <BUGabundo> I'm still here after GDM upgrade
[00:03] <Sarvatt> yeah it did but only for future upgrades
[00:03] <Sarvatt> ahh ok so its just upgrading from 2.26 0ubuntu1 or 0ubuntu2 that stops it
[00:03] <yofel> Sarvatt: he still had the *old* gdm installed
[00:03] <BUGabundo> seems so
[00:04] <BUGabundo> once again, saved by aptitude
[00:04] <BUGabundo> :))
[00:04] <yofel> Sarvatt: exactly, the posrm scripts kill gdm there :(
[00:04] <BUGabundo> darn it. another reboot required
[00:04] <BUGabundo> can't beat a one day uptime now :(
[00:04] <Sarvatt> theres another kernel coming soon :D
[00:05] <yofel> Sarvatt: why that?
[00:05] <Sarvatt> 2.6.31-2.16 fixing up a dm-raid problem in 2.15
[00:05] <billybigrig> should be fixing gspca problems
[00:05] <billybigrig> :)
[00:06] <Sarvatt> could always use jaunty if a breakage like that is that big a deal :D
[00:06] <billybigrig> or the .30 kernel
[00:06] <billybigrig> i'd like to know what change from .30 to .31 that killed webcams
[00:07] <BUGabundo> or talk to upstream
[00:07] <Sarvatt> i think its a udev or usb-utils problem, i'm getting errors for usb in general flooding my dmesg
[00:07] <Sarvatt> [15250.140159] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 99
[00:07] <Sarvatt> [15250.552132] usb 4-1: device not accepting address 99, error -71
[00:07] <Sarvatt> [15250.552181] hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
[00:15] <BUGabundo> any one noticing huge slow downs on youtube videos on fullscreen? Firefox 3.6, flash 64bits
[00:15] <BUGabundo> works ok on regular size window
[00:18] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I've noticed a big speed up when reinstalled system and installed 32 bit by mistake ;)
[00:19] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOL
[00:21] <BUGabundo> yofel: Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main ubuntuone-client-gnome 0.90.3+r66-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty [101kB]
[00:21] <BUGabundo> got it from the nigtly PPA
[00:22] <Sarvatt> switch your sources from jaunty to karmic...
[00:22] <Zorael^2> Anyone here versed in python-fu to whom the traceback at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/209893/ makes any sense?
[00:22] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: U1 ppl say not ready
[00:22] <kklimonda> Zorael^2: looks like apt's api has changed
[00:22] <Zorael^2> kklimonda: I keep getting "wfm" responses about it though
[00:23] <kklimonda> Zorael^2: from other people who use KK (or the same distro you do?)
[00:23] <kklimonda> ?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> Zorael is envy still active as a stand alone?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> though it was integreated into jokey
[00:24] <Zorael^2> kklimonda: from BUGabundo and this channel, so supposedly the same
[00:24] <Zorael^2> BUGabundo: Huh, it was?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> me !?!?
[00:24] <Zorael^2> oyes. :3
[00:24] <Zorael^2> [Sat Jul 4 2009] [18:41:47] <BUGabundo>        Zorael^2: wfm
[00:25] <kklimonda> Zorael^2: what version of python-apt do you have?
[00:25] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: oh look there's a karmic u1 after all
[00:26] <Zorael^2> kklimonda: The one in karmic main, <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1
[00:26] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: the ubuntuone-client from deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/nightlies/ubuntu karmic main works fine for me
[00:27] <kklimonda> Zorael^2: it can't work with python-apt and envy-core from KK - I've just checked sources
[00:27] <Sarvatt> karmics libs are so different from jaunty, i'm surprised the jaunty one works :D
[00:28] <Zorael^2> kklimonda: okay, thanks. :>
[00:28] <kklimonda> Zorael^2: python-apt 0.7.10 has broken an API
[00:29] <kklimonda> Zorael^2:  and envy-core (at least the version from KK) wasn't ported yet
[00:54] <yofel> good night folks
[00:55] <BUGabundo> bye yofel
[01:08] <DanaG> odd... I seem to have TWO instances of notify-osd running.
[01:08] <DanaG> And one of them... is really tiny.
[01:09] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:09] <DanaG> One seems to be running from the login screen.
[01:09] <DanaG> Runs as user 'gdm'
[01:10] <DanaG> And only the network notifications appear in it.
[01:13] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[01:13] <DanaG> oh yeah, but on the plus side, I've tweaked it so I can use my volume hotkeys at the login screen.
[01:13] <m_tadeu> I have a recovery partiion in which I want to put the ubuntu install disk...is there a howto to do that?
[01:14] <DanaG> "unetbootin" is one good option.
[01:14] <BUGabundo> m_tadeu: sure! delete it and isntall there?
[01:14] <DanaG> It's a googleable term.
[01:18] <m_tadeu> thanks....I'm on it
[01:25]  * BUGabundo $ do radom_pool (bath;sleep;breakfast;work);
[01:27] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: whats up with your quit messages haha
[01:27] <BUGabundo> billybigrig: sleep deprevived makes typos
[01:27] <BUGabundo> :)
[01:27] <BUGabundo> gone
[01:27] <m_tadeu> should the partition have a specific type? or it can be ext3?
[01:28] <BUGabundo> m_tadeu: should sufice
[01:39] <m_tadeu> howcome I was able to boot from a karmic64 in an intel core duo?
[01:43] <RAOF> m_tadeu: Because your core duo is really a core duo 2 and hense supports x86-64?
[01:45] <m_tadeu> RAOF: I didn't know about that feature
[01:46] <RAOF> All intel processors for the last 5 years or so have supported x86-64.  Now there's the exception of some Atom processors though, I think.
[01:46] <m_tadeu> tought they all had 32bit registers
[01:47] <RAOF> In IA32 mode, yes.  Long mode is an x86-64 extension to IA32.
[01:47] <m_tadeu> cool :)
[01:48] <RAOF> Sorry; what I _actually_ meant there is... "in protected mode, yes".  Long mode is an extension in the same way protected mode was an extension to real mode.
[01:49] <m_tadeu> I see :)
[01:52] <m_tadeu> now....I used unetbootin to set my recovery partition with karmic....when I press f11 I get "Boot error"...where can I check for problems?
[01:58] <nhasian> hey hey what's going on today?
[03:07] <billybigrigger> hmm
[03:07] <billybigrigger> anyone here by chance have a working scanner with xsane?
[04:02] <DanaG> dtchen: updated my bug comments.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[04:03] <poseidon> Anyone know of a package to pull in the acmkdir tool?
[04:16] <poseidon> I can't find it anywhere.  Even in the debian pdo.  It is part of the gnu autotoolset (included in source tarbell)
[04:59] <sahak> hello
[04:59] <sahak> is gdm autologin no longer possible in Ubuntu 9.10?
[05:11] <DanaG> Take a look at /etc/gdm/custom.conf perhaps.
[05:11] <DanaG> how long was that guy here?
[05:11] <DanaG> 8:58 to 9:06.
[06:21] <xsacha-tv> hi, there is no Screen Resolution under Prefs in 9.10? How do I fixed misaligned screen? thx
[06:21] <|ns|nR8> what type of videocard do you have
[06:22] <|ns|nR8> nvidia ?
[06:22] <xsacha-tv> nvidia 8400gs
[06:22] <|ns|nR8> have you installed the nvidia driver ?
[06:22] <xsacha-tv> yeah nvidia-glx-180
[06:22] <|ns|nR8> enabled it in hardware ?
[06:22] <xsacha-tv> YEP
[06:23] <xsacha-tv> :) sorry caps
[06:23] <|ns|nR8> ok..how i adjust the resolution is install nvidia-settings
[06:23] <|ns|nR8> and run that
[06:23] <xsacha-tv> i looked through that before but cant see how to adjust a misaligned screen
[06:24] <xsacha-tv> i can change resolution, sure, but it's already on 1920x1080
[06:24] <|ns|nR8> LCD?
[06:24] <|ns|nR8> ah ok
[06:24] <xsacha-tv> yeah
[06:25] <xsacha-tv> i cant see edges of my screen (all four edges get cut off)
[06:25] <|ns|nR8> can the refresh rate be adjusted ?
[06:25] <|ns|nR8> or is its max 60
[06:25] <xsacha-tv> 60
[06:26] <xsacha-tv> it gives me 60,50,30,25,24 but i dont think i want less than 60
[06:26] <|ns|nR8> um
[06:26] <mase_work> if you have an lcd your referesh rate is meaningless
[06:26] <mase_work> you want the video device and the monitor to be synced
[06:27] <mase_work> aside from that it doesn't matter
[06:27] <mase_work> otherwise you will get tearing
[06:27] <xsacha-tv> on windows it only gives option of 60 so i dont think my monitor even supports the others
[06:27] <xsacha-tv> anyway, any idea how to align screen?
[06:27] <mase_work> 60 is fine
[06:28] <xsacha-tv> in 9.04 i think i could do it in Prefs->Screen Resolution
[06:28] <|ns|nR8> its in pref, display
[06:28] <|ns|nR8> on 9.04
[06:29] <xsacha-tv> oh ok, well it doesnt offer any help either :( but it said my LCD screen was 7 inch before :P
[06:29] <|ns|nR8> thats a nice resolution for 7 inch screen
[06:29] <|ns|nR8> hehe
[06:30] <mase_work> not sure you would be able to read much :)
[06:31] <xsacha-tv> it says Dimensions: 1920x1080 (160x90 millimeters) 305DPI
[06:31] <xsacha-tv> in nvidia-settings
[06:31] <mase_work> your lucky :)
[06:31] <xsacha-tv> why?
[06:31] <mase_work> i would like a 305dpi screen
[06:31] <|ns|nR8> so maybe yu need to set correct monitor type
[06:31] <xsacha-tv> i dont have a 305dpi screen, do you think that's why it didnt align properly?
[06:31] <xsacha-tv> my screen is 32"
[06:35] <xsacha-tv> could i use xrandr?
[06:36] <mase_work> xsacha-tv: you can try. This is ubuntu+1 so your not guaranteed that it will actually work.
[06:36] <mase_work> :)
[06:36] <mase_work> also did you say that you were using an nvidia card ?
[06:36] <xsacha-tv> yes
[06:37] <mase_work> if so are you using the binary driver ? because nvidia may not have updated it to handle the new Xorg. I don't have an nvidia card so they may have
[06:37] <xsacha-tv> mm im using glx-180. i tried the opensource driver and it has same issue
[06:38] <mase_work> the opensource nvidia stuff isn't really that good either so i wouldn't use that as a benchmark
[06:38] <mase_work> does it work in jaunty ?
[06:38]  * DanaG has 147DPI... it's nice.
[06:38] <xsacha-tv> havent tried
[06:39] <xsacha-tv> it worked in another linux distro though (chakra)
[06:42] <xsacha-tv> hmm ill go searching for an auto button somewhere in my tvs maze of menus :P
[06:47] <xsacha-tv> nup, none :(
[06:54] <mase_work> xsacha-tv: you might be better off with a stable distro or something like chakra which is a rolling release
[06:54] <mase_work> if you really want to live on the edge
[06:59] <xsacha-tv> mase_work, alright :(
[06:59] <xsacha-tv> but i dont think you can align screen in any ubuntu distro?
[07:00] <xsacha-tv> might be a good idea for future to put aligner in the Prefs->Display
[07:00] <mase_work> align screen ? i am not really having any issues with my screens so i am not entirely sure what you mean
[07:00] <mase_work> i have a pretty basic [---][--] setup
[07:01] <xsacha-tv> i've had this problem before on other monitors but i was just able to press the Auto adjust button. this tv doesnt have an adjust option
[07:01] <mase_work> k, not really sure sorry
[07:02] <xsacha-tv> i tried to find solution on google but it seems there is none (or maybe xrandr?). problem since 2005: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21583
[07:02] <xsacha-tv> 2006: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-238779.html they just suggest Auto button on monitor :(
[07:03] <mase_work> yeh dunno sorry. i can't say i have encountered that
[07:03] <xsacha-tv> k
[07:12] <DanaG> oh yeah, nvidia lies about refresh rates.
[07:13] <xsacha-tv> hey DanaG :)
[07:14] <DanaG> whaa?
[07:18] <xsacha-tv> xvidtune says my modeline is: "1920x1080"   148.50   1920 2008 2052 2200   1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync   but it doesnt let me adjust cause it cant query monitor
[07:18] <FFForever> anyone know of a evernote app for linux?
[07:26] <eagles0513875> anyone else having the issue where when you restart it just restarts and doesnt even bring up the grub count down so you can hit esc to choose which kernel you want to use
[07:31] <hifi> just when I was going to tell xsacha the solution for alignment
[10:07] <|ns|nR8> i installed 9.10 but it didnt add my windows installations to grub
[10:09] <tgpraveen> !pulse-audio
[10:09] <tgpraveen> !pulse
[10:10] <tgpraveen> how do i know the version of pulse audio in karmic
[10:10] <tgpraveen> ?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> !info pulseaudio karmic
[10:10] <Hobbsee> ^
[10:23] <tgpraveen> thx
[10:26] <yofel> good morning folks
[11:18] <Wicla> Hey. Anyone else having problems with xorg after restoring from suspend? gdm works fine but after being logged it's a "dark layer" (looks like very low brightness) but VTY:s still works normally and killing and restarting Xorg solves the problem
[11:58] <billybigrigger> |ns|nR8, you still alive?
[11:58] <|ns|nR8> yep
[11:58] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Dual-booting
[11:59] <|ns|nR8> its k i figured it out thanks
[12:00] <|ns|nR8> ubuntu just restarted with volume on flat out...got welcome tune 1000watts rms plus
[12:00] <|ns|nR8> im still shaking
[12:01] <|ns|nR8> thats gotta a bug
[12:02] <billybigrigger> i have a problem similar
[12:03] <billybigrigger> everytime a new video file i have queued plays, like a playlist in vlc, the audio is cranked max each time a new item in the playlist starts
[12:05] <|ns|nR8> im getting an error about gdm simple greeter
[12:05] <|ns|nR8> at each boot now
[12:05] <billybigrigger> yes me to
[12:05] <|ns|nR8> after updating
[12:06] <|ns|nR8> prolly be fixed after a few more updates
[12:06] <|ns|nR8> cool wasnt just me
[12:07] <billybigrigger> /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow and delete the metacity file.
[12:08] <|ns|nR8> that fixes it ? or just removes the error ?
[12:09] <billybigrigger> not sure, i think it fixes it
[12:09] <|ns|nR8> has your username in top right got the red square ?
[12:09] <|ns|nR8> mine hasnt
[12:11] <billybigrigger> a red square? no mine doesn't
[12:11] <|ns|nR8> it hasnt got shutdown/restart in top right click menu
[12:11] <|ns|nR8> thats annoying
[12:14] <billybigrigger> its in system
[12:14] <|ns|nR8> yeah i noticed
[12:14] <billybigrigger> fast user switching applet has been removed recently
[12:15] <|ns|nR8> know why ?
[12:15] <billybigrigger> something to do with the new gdm i think
[12:16] <|ns|nR8> ah k
[12:16] <billybigrigger> doesn't support it or something i can't remember why
[12:16] <|ns|nR8> spose i can live with out it for awhile
[12:17] <billybigrigger> i remember someone saying it was going to make its way back soon, so it's temporary
[12:17] <billybigrigger> but i'm not %100 on that
[12:17] <|ns|nR8> cool
[12:18] <|ns|nR8> its not remember authentication on montable drives either
[12:18] <|ns|nR8> spose i can live with that aswell
[12:20] <|ns|nR8> hmm
[12:20] <|ns|nR8> my wireless aint working now
[12:20] <|ns|nR8> after updating either
[12:20] <|ns|nR8> bloody hell
[12:21] <|ns|nR8> alright..this is a bit too buggy for my liking
[12:23] <billybigrigger> haha welcome to +`
[12:23] <billybigrigger> err
[12:23] <billybigrigger> +1 even
[12:23] <|ns|nR8> haha
[12:23] <|ns|nR8> its always too buggy till at least beta
[12:24] <|ns|nR8> thought id try my luck again
[12:24] <billybigrigger> i haven't had any showstopper bugs in A2
[12:24] <billybigrigger> webcam doesn't work, and videos are being set with hue -1000
[12:26] <Emery> I see
[12:29] <Emery> Anyone having problems with 9.10 ?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> gdm is broken and will be that way for a while
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Emery: that maybe where your problems are
[12:30] <Emery> haha Greaaaaaaaat
[12:30] <Emery> define "broken"
[12:31] <gnomefreak> Emery: different for everyone but after talking with one of the core devs he said until gnome fixes it it is broken
[12:31] <Emery> that tells me nothing though..
[12:33] <gnomefreak> Emery: Emery i cant tell you what problems you are seeing but gdm is pretty much broken until upstream gnome fix it
[12:33] <Emery> I'm in the process of upgrading
[12:33] <Emery> I'm sure it's fixable
[12:34] <gnomefreak> Emery: the devs cant fix it i highly doubt a user can
[12:34] <gnomefreak> Emery: if it was fixable i would have fixed mine already
[12:34] <Emery> who says you have to use gdm
[12:34] <Emery> you can use any dm and access gnome
[12:35] <gnomefreak> Emery: i didnt say gnome was broken i said gdm is broken
[12:35] <Emery> i never said it was
[12:36] <gnomefreak> you said you dont have to use gdm. i said gdm is broken so changing to say xdm or kdm or what not they are not broken
[12:36] <Emery> yeah so i'm going to use those
[13:09] <amikrop> Hello. I don't have sound on random boots.
[13:09] <amikrop> But then, if I reboot it is solved.
[13:09] <amikrop> Now is a boot in which I don't have sound.
[13:09] <amikrop> So, it could be an opportunity to find out what goes wrong.
[13:10] <amikrop> Any commands or actions generally, I should do, to see what's wrong?
[13:10] <amikrop> Thanks, in advance.
[13:10] <Emery> alsa-conf ?
[13:11] <amikrop> Emery: I have pulsedauio everywhere in my System->Preferences->Sound
[13:11] <Emery> have you tried alsa ?
[13:11] <billybigrigger> have you looked at pavucontrol?
[13:12] <amikrop> Emery: in previous ubuntu versions
[13:12] <Emery> try alsa
[13:12] <amikrop> Emery: ok
[13:12] <billybigrigger> or check your pulse audio control sliders
[13:12] <billybigrigger> pavucontrol
[13:12] <amikrop> billybigrigger: how can I do that?
[13:12] <billybigrigger> :)
[13:12] <amikrop> ok
[13:12] <Emery> he said when he boots it's sometimes not working
[13:13] <Emery> wont be because the sound is off
[13:13] <amikrop> Emery: I 'll do a pavucontrol and if it fails I 'll fall back to alsa.
[13:13] <billybigrigger> ahh misread
[13:13] <amikrop> Emery: oh, you say it is a pulseaudio bug?
[13:13] <Emery> no billybigrigger misheard i was correcting him
[13:14] <amikrop> why should I change to alsa, is pulseaudio buggy?
[13:14] <billybigrigger> seems to work ok this cycle for me :P
[13:14] <Emery> well it's not working for you... i'm not saying you should .. just try it
[13:14] <Emery> might work for you
[13:15] <Emery> i've never had sound problems
[13:15] <amikrop> I set ALSA in preferences->sound clicked test, it didn't make a sound and it froze
[13:15] <amikrop> * freezed
[13:15] <Emery> configure alsa
[13:15] <amikrop> ok, any way I can kill the window? :P
[13:16] <Emery> alsa-driver
[13:16] <Emery> 	alsa-lib
[13:16] <Emery> 	alsa-utils
[13:16] <Emery> install those
[13:16] <amikrop> ok
[13:16] <Emery> then i think it's ... alsa-conf
[13:16] <Emery> can't remmeber the command
[13:16] <amikrop> how can I kill the sound preferences window that it frize?
[13:16] <amikrop> * freezed :P
[13:16] <Emery> froze*
[13:17] <Emery> lol
[13:17] <Emery> open terminal
[13:17] <amikrop> froze, ok :P
[13:17] <Emery> ps -a
[13:17] <Emery> kill -9 pid
[13:17] <amikrop> $ kill -9 pid
[13:17] <amikrop> bash: kill: pid: arguments must be process or job IDs
[13:17] <amikrop> oh, ok
[13:17] <yofel> amikrop: it should be gnome-sound-properties so: killall -s 9 gnome-sound-properties
[13:17] <Emery> amikrop,
[13:17] <Emery> pid number
[13:17] <Emery> not pid
[13:17] <Emery> lol
[13:18] <amikrop> ok :P
[13:18] <amikrop> yofel: thanks, it worked :)
[13:18] <amikrop> ok, I will try alsa, then. hmm, it's quite complicated, oss, alsa, pulseaudio...
[13:18] <Emery> amikrop, remember the commands i told you
[13:18] <Emery> will come in handy
[13:19] <amikrop> they're all 3 installed and available and they all have different configuration and tools :S
[13:19] <amikrop> (the 3 sound systems)
[13:19] <amikrop> will Karmic have only 1 available and fully supported?
[13:19] <amikrop> I mean the final Karmic
[13:19] <yofel> hm, wasn't pulseaudio only a mixer that used alsa for hardware-access ?
[13:19] <Emery> in terminal
[13:19] <Emery> alsaconf
[13:24] <amikrop> Emery: $ alsaconf
[13:24] <amikrop> bash: alsaconf: command not found
[13:24] <amikrop> Emery: $ alsamixer
[13:24] <amikrop> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[13:25] <Emery> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Quick_Install
[13:26] <amikrop> Emery: ok, alsamixer worked with sudo, but it all seems OK
[13:27] <amikrop> it seems configured, volumes are in high levels
[13:27] <yofel>  amikrop what does pavucontrol say?
[13:29] <amikrop> tried Sound Preferences, "Test" with ALSA, but didn't work, again
[13:29] <amikrop> yofel: I am installing it now
[13:29] <Emery> amikrop, if you get it working post how on the forums
[13:29] <Emery> bound to be other people with the problem
[13:29] <amikrop> ok
[13:29] <Emery> =]
[13:29] <amikrop> hmm, I ran pavucontrol
[13:29] <yofel> iirc when I used alsa in jaunty I had to remove pulseaudio first, but pulse should work
[13:30] <amikrop> pavucontrol looks ok
[13:31] <yofel> amikrop: you could try to run pulseaudio as a system deamon, see /etc/default/pulseaudio
[13:31] <billybigrigger> amikrop, play with the volume sliders
[13:31] <amikrop> yofel: E: pid.c: Daemon already running.
[13:31] <amikrop> billybigrigger: they are in high level
[13:31] <billybigrigger> yea
[13:31] <billybigrigger> bring them down and up
[13:32] <billybigrigger> i guess bugabundo says it works for him sometimes
[13:32] <billybigrigger> i think he needs to lay off the pipe personally. but....
[13:32] <billybigrigger> haha don't tell him that
[13:32] <Emery> peace pipe
[13:32] <amikrop> :P
[13:32] <yofel> I use pulse as a system deamon here and it work flawless
[13:33] <amikrop> yofel: me too, apart from some boots :P
[13:34] <amikrop> you know, especially when I remove the wire that connects my laptop to the speakers
[13:34] <amikrop> and reboot
[13:34] <amikrop> then it might not work
[13:34] <amikrop> but a reboot fixes it
[13:34] <amikrop> or I change my speakers with others
[13:35] <amikrop> it seems it wants a reboot to recognize the new situation
[13:35] <amikrop> something like that
[13:35] <yofel> o.O
[13:35] <billybigrigger> what kernel just out of curiosity?
[13:35] <amikrop> 2.6.28-11-generic
[13:36] <billybigrigger> wow
[13:36] <amikrop> what? :P
[13:36] <billybigrigger> you know we're testing 2.6.31-2 right now?
[13:36] <amikrop> no
[13:36] <billybigrigger> not saying that is your problem
[13:36] <billybigrigger> but...
[13:36] <billybigrigger> :P
[13:36] <amikrop> :)
[13:36] <billybigrigger> fyi
[13:36] <amikrop> ok ;)
[13:37] <billybigrigger> maybe you should update your system?
[13:37] <amikrop> maybe ;)
[13:37] <amikrop> let's see if a reboot fixes it this time
[13:38] <yofel> hm, that reminds me that I should clean up my system... I've got like 13 kernels installed...
[13:38] <billybigrigger> i cleaned out a bunch of kernels yesterday :P
[13:41] <yofel> so, got rid of everything except 30-10 and 31-2 :)
[13:52] <billybigrigger> i think im gonna do a fresh install today
[13:53] <billybigrigger> i afraid haha
[13:55] <Emery> i'm still upgrading to 9.10 37 mins remaining
[14:08] <yofel> me too I think, I want my dead keys back :(
[14:25] <c_korn> can someone confirm bug 384582 ?
[14:30] <billybigrigger> nope
[14:30] <billybigrigger> fullscreen playing a video
[14:30] <billybigrigger> moving my mouse does not show background
[14:30] <billybigrigger> vlc:
[14:30] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1.0.0~rc2-1ubuntu1
[14:30] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 1.0.0~rc2-1ubuntu1
[14:31] <yofel> nope, works fine here as well
[14:31] <yofel> c_korn: what graphic driver?
[14:32] <billybigrigger> nvidia-glx-180:
[14:32] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu3
[14:32] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 185.18.14-0ubuntu3
[14:32] <yofel> I remember to have that with some early version of nvidia 180, like <180.44 but now it works fine
[14:35] <c_korn> I use nvidia 185.18.14 drivers
[14:37] <yofel> c_korn: which card?
[14:37] <|ns|nR8> VLC 1.0 is out
[14:37] <yofel> cool XD
[14:39] <c_korn> nvidia nvs quadro 140m
[14:39] <Ian_Corne> what's new about vlc 1?
[14:40] <yofel> c_korn: ok... thats the same as me o.O
[14:40] <c_korn> :P
[14:40] <c_korn> do you also have the same drivers installed?
[14:40] <yofel> yes
[14:41] <c_korn> the ones from nvidia?
[14:41] <yofel> the ones from the repository
[14:41] <yofel>   Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu3
[14:41] <|ns|nR8> new features listed on http://www.videolan.org/
[14:42] <yofel> c_korn: what kernel do you use? the one from nvidia shouldn't work with 2.6.31 yet iirc
[14:46] <gnomefreak> yofel: it does here for 173 drivers since they are borked in repos
[14:46] <gnomefreak> just have to rebuild them when running .run file
[14:47] <billybigrigger> 185.18.14 works fine with 2.6.31-2
[14:48] <yofel> billybigrigger: the one from the repos with the .31 patch yes, but the one from nvidia?
[14:48] <gnomefreak> 173 should be only broken one atm since it has moved to legacy
[14:48] <billybigrigger> yofel, ahh i getcha
[14:48] <billybigrigger> i don't use nvidia.com's
[14:48] <yofel> billybigrigger: me neither, if anything the x-swat ppa is enough
[14:49] <Emery> gnomefreak, is it the greeter that is broken in the gdm ?
[14:50] <yofel> huh? what's broken in gdm? (except the missing gdmsetup)
[14:50] <gnomefreak> Emery: no well not sure if it is i dont have it enabled. but gdm is broken gdm for this topic meaning gnome
[14:50] <Pici> gdm will restart during its upgrade
[14:50] <billybigrigger> yofel, weres the link to xswat? i should check it out
[14:50] <Emery> i'm not sure gnomefreak  said it was .. yet it works fine for me
[14:50] <gnomefreak> Pici: few other issues but that was as of last night when i pinged pitti about it
[14:51] <yofel> billybigrigger: give me a moment, but right now the driver from the karmic repos is the newest
[14:51] <billybigrigger> yofel, nevermind  then :P
[14:51] <yofel> billybigrigger: for future reference: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[14:51] <Pici> gnomefreak: ah, I was just referring to the email that pitti sent to ubuntu-devel-announce
[14:52] <gnomefreak> i disabled logs a while ago so i dont have it handy
[14:52] <gnomefreak> !logs
[14:53] <yofel> Pici: yeah, but that should be fixed now since ubuntu3
[14:54] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak: it breaks gdm pretty much completely
[14:54] <gnomefreak> thats what i got last night
[14:54] <gnomefreak> asking about lower panel bug i have
[14:54] <Cajunmg> can you run a windows based progam on ubuntu?
[14:55] <gnomefreak> you _need_ to install it in screen, or a VT (also was said
[14:55] <gnomefreak> )*
[14:55] <yofel> Cajunmg: you can try with 'wine' but general: no
[14:55] <Cajunmg> ok
[14:55] <Cajunmg> I'm  newbi  whats "wine"?
[14:56] <yofel> Cajunmg: www.winehq.org
[14:56] <gnomefreak> Emery: the full convo is at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/07/%23ubuntu-devel.html  just look for my nick there
[14:56] <Pici> Cajunmg: I think #ubuntu would be a better place to ask questions. #ubuntu+1 is only for discussion and support of the in-development version of Ubuntu
[14:56] <Emery> gnomefreak, well it works for me so..
[14:56] <gnomefreak> Around the 6:00 section
[14:57] <gnomefreak> Emery: thats good but that is what i got from core dev that is what im going on
[14:57] <Emery> pretty useless to me then ;)
[14:58]  * gnomefreak brb i need to think. i cant find the snipit of code im looking for.
[15:00] <Cajunmg> thanks
[15:00] <yofel> can anybody here boot todays daily? I don't even get to the language selector
[15:01] <billybigrigger> yofel, im cleaning up my home and about to try it
[15:01] <billybigrigger> thanks for the heads up, might as well burn the A2 disk while im at it :P
[15:03]  * Ian_Corne doesn't like empathy so far
[15:03] <billybigrigger> 32 or 64bit?
[15:03]  * billybigrigger high fives Ian_Corne
[15:03] <yofel> billybigrigger: 64bit
[15:03] <Ian_Corne> i like the idea behind it
[15:03] <Ian_Corne> but the interface is just blergh
[15:03] <billybigrigger> interface?
[15:03] <billybigrigger> how about features?
[15:03] <gnomefreak> yofel: try the one from 2 days ago
[15:04] <yofel> gnomefreak: where do I get that?
[15:04] <billybigrigger> i can't even send / recieve files with msn
[15:04] <billybigrigger> gnomefreak, 0705?
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> true billybigrigger
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> but i don't use msn for that anyways
[15:04] <Ian_Corne> as that blows :D
[15:04] <gnomefreak> yofel: food question billybigrigger yes or earlier
[15:04] <billybigrigger> all i see for daily is 0706 and 0707
[15:05] <yofel> well, I'll give the one from yesterday a try
[15:05]  * billybigrigger waits for yofel
[15:05] <billybigrigger> :P
[15:06] <gnomefreak> heres junes http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-2/ but still looking
[15:06] <gnomefreak> its getting a slideshow :)
[15:06] <yofel> ^^
[15:06] <billybigrigger> thats the a2 disk i was orginally planning on using
[15:06] <billybigrigger> but though i'd give daily a go
[15:07] <billybigrigger> Ian_Corne, don't ya know, all the hot chicks are on msn
[15:07] <billybigrigger> haha
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> yes
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> but they don't need files sending
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> they need webcamming!
[15:07] <Ian_Corne> :p
[15:07] <billybigrigger> yes, and that doesn't work either
[15:07] <billybigrigger> but i need a working webcam with .31 first before anything :P
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> aha
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> i'll try mine
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> webcamp app?
[15:08] <billybigrigger> .30 works great
[15:08] <billybigrigger> cheese
[15:08] <billybigrigger> i don't know of any others
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> kk
[15:08] <gnomefreak> yofel: sorry cant find julys atm
[15:09] <billybigrigger> wow
[15:10] <yofel> hm, the webcam in my eeePC 1000H works with 31-2
[15:10] <billybigrigger> 9.4mb/sec file transfers blow
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> i got a ee pc 1000h too :p
[15:10] <yofel> :)
[15:10] <billybigrigger> only 22GB to go
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> yofel: do you use an applet to enable/disable those thng?
[15:11]  * billybigrigger glances at his POS ms vx-1000
[15:11] <Ian_Corne> yeah it works billybigrigger
[15:11] <billybigrigger> i think its my pos :P
[15:11] <tgpraveen> billybigrigger: webcam and file transfer are coming very
[15:11] <tgpraveen> soon to empathy
[15:12] <tgpraveen> most probably in time for karmic
[15:12] <yofel> iirc the only IM that supported my webcam was kopete...
[15:12] <yofel> not that I use it anyway
[15:13] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, nice
[15:13] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, good news :P
[15:13] <maco> emesen supports webcam, doesnt it?
[15:13] <maco> or was it amsn?
[15:13] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, might make the transition to empathy alot nicer if it did support that
[15:13] <billybigrigger> my internet girlfriend in asia would love that
[15:13] <billybigrigger> haha
[15:13] <tgpraveen> billybigrigger: "internet gf" hehe
[15:14] <billybigrigger> who am i kidding, i don't have an internet gf :(
[15:14] <billybigrigger> will one of those come in karmic aswell?
[15:14] <tgpraveen> anyways video chat on google and msn should most likely make it and jabber is alredy there
[15:14] <billybigrigger> nice
[15:15] <tgpraveen> billybigrigger: it wont be in main maybe in universe ;-)
[15:15]  * billybigrigger high fives tgpraveen
[15:16] <Ian_Corne> wtb esc closes chat + less of a chatroom window for IM convo's
[15:16] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen so when you say coming soon...and probably in time for karmic?
[15:17] <billybigrigger> are we talking day before feature freeze?
[15:17] <billybigrigger> :P
[15:18] <billybigrigger> and random poll, how big is everyone's /boot partition
[15:18] <Ian_Corne> partition?
[15:18] <Ian_Corne> pffft
[15:18] <billybigrigger> last time i installed was on jaunty release, never set one up for a dev cycle
[15:18] <tgpraveen> billybigrigger: well empathy is gnome app so it will follow gnome's release cycle
[15:18] <yofel> don't have a /boot partition anymore since grub2
[15:18] <Ian_Corne> du -sch /boot/
[15:18] <Ian_Corne> 54M	/boot/
[15:18] <billybigrigger> not even for testing kernels?
[15:18] <tgpraveen> right now google video caht support is pretty much in. just needs a little testing.
[15:19] <billybigrigger> maybe i should ditch msn for google :P
[15:19] <Ian_Corne> what's the benefit of a /boot partition?
[15:19] <billybigrigger> i think that would be the last ms product i have to ditch
[15:19] <yofel> Ian_Corne: encrypted root is the only thing I know of
[15:19] <Ian_Corne> and why doesn't empathy show me a window on the taskbar when i have a new msg
[15:19] <billybigrigger> Ian_Corne, it should
[15:20] <billybigrigger> Ian_Corne, should have a *nice* notification, and icon should flash in the panel
[15:20] <Ian_Corne> it flashes the applet icon and i get a notify msg
[15:20] <Ian_Corne> yeah but that's it
[15:20] <billybigrigger> Ian_Corne, get away from the term taskbar, that's a windows thing :P
[15:20] <Ian_Corne> i can't alt tab to it :(
[15:20] <yofel> I still have a /boot on my thinkpad that's going to be reinstalled now, and I'll get rid of /boot there
[15:20] <tgpraveen> billybigrigger: u should ditch and join google. btw i hope u dont use msn for email gmail is just miles ahead.
[15:21] <tgpraveen> and as for msn video chat there is a branch on git for it but right we
[15:21] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, i have a hotmail account but i use it for a fake account
[15:21] <yofel> I only created it since grub1 didn't support boot from ext4 back then
[15:21] <tgpraveen> right now it is in development so dont expect to work much
[15:21] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, whats being more actively developed? msn or google compatibility?
[15:22] <tgpraveen> well google uses a somewhat open protocol so it was easy to develop for and hence that is almost done
[15:22] <Ian_Corne> i only use msn because my friends use it :(
[15:22] <tgpraveen> msn is right now being worked upon
[15:22] <billybigrigger> Ian_Corne, same
[15:22] <maco> because it has a long way to go
[15:22] <billybigrigger> and its hard enough to get them to switch to anything outside they're comfort zone
[15:23] <billybigrigger> err their
[15:23] <yofel> ok, the daily from yesterday won't boot as well...
[15:24]  * yofel goes downloading the a2 iso
[15:24] <tgpraveen> billybigrigger: yeah such things are a problem that is why the best protocol in the world is XMPP as it is unfederated but well nobody uses it
[15:24] <tgpraveen> :-(
[15:24] <Emery> is it possible to install KDE3.5 from gnome ?
[15:24] <billybigrigger> Emery, 3.5?
[15:24] <Emery> yes .. 3.5
[15:25] <billybigrigger> why not 4.3?
[15:25] <Emery> because i want 3.5
[15:25] <billybigrigger> hah fair enough
[15:25] <maco> you can probably get 3.5 librarires
[15:25] <yofel> I finally managed to get my last friends get themselves an jabber account and finally ditched ICQ XD
[15:25] <billybigrigger> Emery, not a kde guy, but i imagine
[15:25] <maco> but any app that exists for kde 4 and 3.5 is only in the repos for 4
[15:25] <maco> i guess you could compile them all...
[15:25] <Emery> maybe i should try debian repos
[15:25] <billybigrigger> high five for icq, thats almost as old as irc :P haha well not really but...
[15:26] <maco> Emery, keeping in mind that debian is not binary compatible with ubuntu, sure, you could rebuild debian's source packages
[15:34] <billybigrigger> ahh poop
[15:34] <billybigrigger> anyone know how to resize a vbox image?
[15:34] <billybigrigger> i was dumb and made a 40gb disk for my virtual server
[15:35] <billybigrigger> and i don't have an extra 40gb to store it on my storage drive
[15:35] <billybigrigger> and re-configuring is out of the question
[15:47] <GFH[Work]> karmic is going to use 2.6.30, correct?
[15:47] <billybigrigger> .31
[15:48] <GFH[Work]> billybigrigger, oo, shinier. thank you
[15:49] <gnomefreak> GFH[Work]: no we are on 3.1 already
[15:49] <gnomefreak> final or not im not sure
[15:50] <GFH[Work]> o_O 3.1?
[15:50] <gnomefreak> sorry .31
[15:50] <itswhatev> anyone know if there is something new with compiz and viewport switching w wheel button4 & button5?
[15:50] <itswhatev> namely, it doesn't switch
[15:50] <GFH[Work]> gnomefreak, heh, kernel.org says it's still in RC
[15:51] <gnomefreak> GFH[Work]: that is what we are using atm so maybe it will be final
[16:07] <tgpraveen> currently rc2 is out which is what we are using
[16:10] <billybigrigger> i thought it was made clear we would use .31?
[16:10] <billybigrigger> i should dig up that thread
[16:12] <tgpraveen> yes
[16:12] <tgpraveen> we wil but riught now it is at rc2 so we can use that only
[16:12] <tgpraveen> we will update as and when it will be released
[16:21] <hggdh> billybigrigger, 2.6.31 is currently at prepatch rc2 (see http://kernel.org). .31 final has not yet been released upstream
[16:21] <billybigrigger> of course
[16:22] <billybigrigger> but im saying i thought the decision was made by dev's to use .31 final, even if .32 was out in time
[16:22] <hggdh> oh. Yes, it would make sense, since .32 will probably be released very late in the karmic cycle
[16:30] <BluesKaj> grub2 looks exactly like the old grub to me ..I thought it would be fancier , maybe grub2-splashimages is in order
[16:31] <Pici> Its blue
[16:32] <BluesKaj> i had a blue one but it broke
[16:32] <yofel> I had a debian splashimage when i upgraded from grub-legacy to grub2, but after a fresh install of Alpha2 it indeed looks like the old one
[16:32] <BluesKaj> had to regress
[16:33] <BluesKaj> but adept shows grub2 is installed
[16:34]  * Twigathy does the updates dance, crosses fingers and hopes for the best :)
[16:51] <billybigrigger> hey guys
[16:51] <billybigrigger> check this out if you want a pretty grub2
[16:51] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Splash%20Images
[16:51] <billybigrigger> there's a bit on themeing there too
[16:52] <billybigrigger> the good site is this one though
[16:52] <billybigrigger> http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Splashimages.html
[16:53] <Bmw1000c> cool
[16:53] <yofel> niiiice XD
[16:53] <Bmw1000c> but my grub is configured with timeout 0, so i dont actually see grub wprompt lol
[17:08] <BluesKaj> nope, grub2 still looks like old one ..not a big deal,  but some colours would be nice
[17:26] <bmunger> when will firefox 3.5 come to karmic?
[17:26] <Pici> bmunger: its already there?
[17:26] <nhasian> bmunger, its already in the repos.
[17:27] <nhasian> !firefox-3.5
[17:27] <bmunger> I thought that was the beta.. shouldnt it be part of the "firefox" package?
[17:27] <bmunger> ok nm
[17:27] <Pici> !forget ff35
[17:28] <Pici> bmunger: It will eventually, the mozillateam hasn't done that yet though.
[17:29] <bmunger> sounds good..just seems like its been a while and i was starting to wonder if it wasnt going to be part of karmic release
[17:31] <gnomefreak> Pici: its done there is just an issue with the about screen.
[17:31] <gnomefreak> should be in repos next day or so
[17:32] <gnomefreak> 3.5 is final in jaunty and karmi
[17:32] <gnomefreak> c
[17:32] <gnomefreak> im gone
[18:11] <bullgard4> What GNOME version is provided by Karmic?
[18:11] <charlie-tca__> !gnome karmic
[18:11] <charlie-tca__> !gnome
[18:12] <yofel> right now it should be 2.27
[18:12] <hggdh> bullgard4, 2.27
[18:12] <hggdh> will be 2.28
[18:12] <bullgard4> hggdh: Thank you.
[18:14] <yofel> !info gnome karmic
[18:14] <yofel> o.O
[18:15] <kklimonda> I always check the version of gnome-panel
[18:15] <kklimonda> !info gnome-panel karmic
[18:15] <kklimonda> heh..
[18:15] <yofel> even thats the wrong one ^^
[18:16] <yofel> !info gnome-power-manager karmic
[18:16] <yofel> yay, found one
[18:16] <billybigrigger> yofel, you get A2 installed?
[18:16] <yofel> billybigrigger: yes
[18:17] <billybigrigger> good good
[18:17] <billybigrigger> how to install gnome-do again? i copied my apt sources, thought there was a ppa for it?
[18:17] <billybigrigger> just install from repos?
[18:18] <yofel> I use gnome-do from repos
[18:18] <billybigrigger> gnome-do:
[18:18] <billybigrigger>   Installed: (none)
[18:18] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-1
[18:22] <Sarvatt> yea theres a ppa with the newer version that works right when you start it at system startup with compiz enabled
[18:25] <billybigrigger> which one?
[18:26] <billybigrigger> i search ppas for gnome do and it comes up with a ton
[18:28] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, ?
[18:28] <Bmw1000c> how can i prevent "--no-floppy" from appearing everytime in grub.cfg everytime i update my kernel?
[18:29] <Bmw1000c> *how can i prevent "--no-floppy" from appearing in grub.cfg everytime i update my kernel?
[18:30] <Sarvatt> reinstall grub Bmw1000c
[18:30] <Sarvatt> reinstall it to your MBR I mean, you have an older version installed in the MBR
[18:30] <Sarvatt> sudo grub-install /dev/sdwhatever
[18:30] <Bmw1000c> thanks man, i'll give a try
[18:31] <Sarvatt> the older version in your MBR doesnt support --no-floppy, real common problem
[18:34] <Sarvatt> billybigrigger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~do-core/+archive/ppa
[18:43] <amikrop> It's crazy, I am on 99.71% in Transmission on a torrent, and it keeps falling back to 99.58%. Is that estimated time, or data downloaded?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> amikrop, checkout your upload , and what sources are drawing from you ...you could be being used as a bounce for some tracker hack
[18:46] <amikrop> BluesKaj: I have set an upload limit to 0
[18:46] <BluesKaj> 0 usually means unlimited
[18:47] <amikrop> BluesKaj: ok, I made it 1
[18:47] <amikrop> BluesKaj: And it says Up: 1Kbps
[18:47] <amikrop> BluesKaj: before, it said Up: 0
[18:49] <BluesKaj> amikrop, what ports are you using ?...if you want more security , use ports above 50000..it's not real secure but most traffic is in the lower numbered ports
[18:52] <BluesKaj> amikrop, whatever tracker you are using may have a restriction on ppl who won't share by uploading at a certain rate , say 25kbs or so and will prevent a finish just to keep you online
[18:52] <amikrop> BluesKaj: ok, I will put 30kbps
[18:52] <amikrop> upload
[18:53] <amikrop> BluesKaj: actually, I removed the limit
[18:53] <BluesKaj> amikrop, which torrent client ?
[18:53] <amikrop> Transmission
[18:55] <BluesKaj> look in the peers section for other users and make sure there some listed as having 100% of the torrent , if not then you may be stuck.
[19:01] <ripps> Is startupmanager compatible with grub2?
[19:02] <billybigrigger> don't think so
[19:02] <billybigrigger> afaik the version of G2 we have is not compatible with themeing
[19:26] <yofel> ok... after reinstalling ubuntu I get flickering in fullscreen vlc as well
[19:27] <yofel> c_korn: ping
[19:27] <yofel> though that's not limited to vlc, happens in fullscreen firefox as well
[19:28] <billybigrigger> yofel, you having any problems with your fresh install?
[19:28] <c_korn> yofel: ok, I did not test firefox fullscreen yet. wait a sec
[19:28] <yofel> c_korn: I get the flickering when I try to scroll using the middle mouse button
[19:29] <c_korn> yofel: you are right. it also flickers in firefox when clicking right mouse button
[19:29] <yofel> billybigrigger: err... I get c_korns flicker bug, but else it's pretty much ok
[19:29] <c_korn> so you can confirm the bug?
[19:29] <billybigrigger> yofel, no random x crashes back to gdm?
[19:30] <yofel> c_korn: well yes, but I think it's somewhere else, compiz maybe?
[19:30] <yofel> billybigrigger: nope
[19:30] <c_korn> yes, it is not vlc related. and it does not occur when compiz is disabled
[19:30] <yofel> but why didn't I get the flickering on my old installation o.O
[19:31] <c_korn> I will mark the bug as invalid
[19:31]  * yofel goes tinkering with the compiz settings
[19:40] <yofel> c_korn: found it
[19:40] <yofel> c_korn: open up ccsm
[19:40] <yofel> c_korn: general-options -> General
[19:41] <yofel> c_korn: disable "Undirect Fullscreen Windows" and the flickering is gone
[19:42] <c_korn> yofel: indeed. that fixes it. thank you very much.
[19:42] <c_korn> what does the option do actually?
[19:43] <c_korn> and needs compiz to be fixed or the apps or drivers?
[19:43] <yofel> c_korn: see tooltip - otherwise: no idea ^^
[19:43] <billybigrigger> hmm
[19:43] <billybigrigger> how do i change the label of a raid mount?
[19:43] <billybigrigger> ever since this clean install, my raid disks get mounted to...
[19:44] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/media$ ls
[19:44] <billybigrigger> 3a20a314-04f1-4510-b51b-94307eb7fe6f  cdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy0
[19:44] <c_korn> yofel: ok, I leave a hint and ask some devels
[19:44] <billybigrigger> s/disks/array
[19:49] <judgen> Can i install hardy packages on karmic?
[19:51] <billybigrigger> what pacakges?
[19:51] <billybigrigger> i don't see why not
[19:51] <billybigrigger> as long as all the dependancies are met
[19:51] <judgen> billybigrigger, I want to use wxvlc
[19:51] <billybigrigger> don't know what that is
[19:52] <judgen> vlc with wxwindows interface instead of QT
[19:52] <yofel> billybigrigger: the old version of vlc with wxWidgets
[19:52] <billybigrigger> oh
[19:52] <yofel> hm, you'll have to downgrade vlc then, but should be possible
[19:53] <judgen> yofel, seems the older version is not in repos in karmic, can i add the hardy repos and use that?
[19:54] <yofel> judgen: wouldn't work since apt would use the newer version from karmic
[19:54] <yofel> you'll need to get the packages and install them manually with dpkg
[19:54] <yofel> apt doesn't support downgrading
[19:56] <judgen> yofel, where can i get the packages then?
[19:56] <yofel> packages.ubuntu.com should have them
[19:56] <judgen> Also totem seems to be laggy as hell over here... (excuse the language)
[19:57] <judgen> I cant play anything almost
[19:57] <yofel> no idea, don't use totem, it sets the HUE wrong
[19:59] <yofel> huh? why is apport disabled since I reinstalled alpha2. Wasn't it supposed to be enabled by default in dev-releases?
[19:59] <billybigrigger> should be enabled
[19:59] <billybigrigger> let me check mine
[20:00] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:00] <billybigrigger> mines disabled too
[20:00] <billybigrigger> better file a bug yofel
[20:00] <yofel> will do that, give me a sec
[20:05] <yofel> billybigrigger: bug 396707
[20:06] <bmunger> looks like suspend to ram doesnt work either.. fails to resume
[20:06] <yofel> bmunger: works fine here (nvidia)
[20:06] <bmunger> probably this buggy ati
[20:08] <yofel> billybigrigger: if you get it as well, can you set the bug to confirmed?
[20:11] <billybigrigger> yup doing so now yofel
[20:12] <judgen> i cant find a mirror...
[20:12] <SKB> hello :>
[20:12] <yofel> hi SKB
[20:16] <judgen> hehe i think it worked... i just disabled the karmic mirrors =)
[20:16] <billybigrigger> yofel, bug 396707
[20:16] <billybigrigger> meh, i confirmed it
[20:16] <kklimonda> yofel: it's not a bug
[20:17] <yofel> kklimonda: why?
[20:17] <billybigrigger> yofel, are you getting wierd pauses in your boot?
[20:17] <yofel> billybigrigger: no
[20:17] <billybigrigger> i bet my bootup is close to a minute, installing bootchart to see why
[20:17] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:17] <kklimonda> yofel: developers has decided that it's just too early to enable apport by default
[20:17] <billybigrigger> ?
[20:17] <kklimonda> yofel: it may be enabled in alpha3
[20:17] <billybigrigger> serious?
[20:17] <yofel> o.O
[20:17] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[20:17] <Pici> A minute? Mine is 20 seconds.
[20:18] <billybigrigger> Pici, well i have bootchart to tell my why now :P
[20:18] <billybigrigger> brb
[20:18] <yofel> well, I'll close the bug then...
[20:22] <billybigrigger> 1:04
[20:22] <billybigrigger> 1:06 actually
[20:22] <SKB> a minute ? :o
[20:23] <billybigrigger> yup
[20:23] <yofel> wth?
[20:23] <yofel> you starting a virt-server btw or what?
[20:24] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/aJcM-F.html
[20:25] <judgen> hehe wxvlx works now.. but synaptic removed rhythmbox and totem.
[20:25] <yofel> seems to me like a broken devkit-disks...
[20:25] <judgen> not that i need totem
[20:29] <billybigrigger> yofel, yes
[20:29] <billybigrigger> raid acting wierd too
[20:38] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...is it possible to upgrade from 9.04 to karmic?
[20:38] <SKB> yes
[20:38] <m_tadeu> how do I do that?
[20:39] <Pici> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.04
[20:39] <SKB> if you want to break your pc write "update-manager -d" if i recall correctly
[20:39] <Pici> SKB: heh
[20:39] <SKB> no sound here
[20:40] <SKB> and nautilus is buggy
[20:40] <m_tadeu> hehehe....I'm testing in my pc and my laptop with minor problems
[20:41] <yofel> yay, managed to crash gthumb o.O
[20:44] <yofel> and now firefox crashed too...
[20:44]  * yofel goes into a crashing frenzy and laughs like a maniac...
[20:44] <SKB> have fun
[20:44] <yofel> :P
[20:45] <SKB> i can't access my trash "Error while spawning nautilus:
[20:45] <SKB> Operation not supported" :D
[20:45] <m_tadeu> mmm....where can I find update-manager?
[20:46] <yofel> m_tadeu: huh?
[20:47] <m_tadeu> sorry....idiot question
[20:47] <yofel> ^^
[20:47] <m_tadeu> was looking on update-manager-core
[21:11] <ripps> So, there is no configuration tool for the new gdm yet? Is someone working on one?
[21:17] <gnomefreak> ripps: not sure i was looking for it today but couldnt find it and i never got around to asking seb about it
[21:18] <Tekno> how can I edit grub2 menu
[21:18] <yofel> Tekno: check /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d
[21:18] <billybigrigger> Tekno, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[21:18] <Tekno> k
[21:18] <yofel> hm, nice wiki page :)
[21:19] <billybigrigger> :P
[21:19] <billybigrigger> thanks, had some help from drs305
[21:20] <Tekno> humm
[21:20] <Tekno> I just need to see what kernels are installed
[21:24] <billybigrigger> check /boot
[21:24] <billybigrigger> or if you have deleted some from /boot, then run update-grub
[21:25] <billybigrigger> update-grub2 actually
[21:25] <gnomefreak> theres no /boot/grub2/menu.lst? i dont know im still running grub 0.9*
[21:26] <billybigrigger> nope
[21:26] <billybigrigger> grub2 is a complete rewrite
[21:26] <gnomefreak> i dont wanna learn a new grub
[21:26] <billybigrigger> haha, building that wiki i sure learnt alot
[21:26] <gnomefreak> i guess i have alot of work tomorrow than
[21:27] <billybigrigger> should be a grub guru come beta when all the noobs have a million questions :P
[21:27] <SKB> is new grub eye candy ?
[21:27] <billybigrigger> nope
[21:27] <billybigrigger> the version we have in repos doesn't support themeing yet
[21:27] <SKB> no need to upgrade then :>
[21:27] <gnomefreak> you should still be able to add themes to it
[21:27] <gnomefreak> nevermind
[21:28] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger: well get to fixing it to support themes
[21:28] <gnomefreak> :)
[21:28] <billybigrigger> maintainer needs to get a new version from svn in
[21:28] <billybigrigger> im sure the version in grub svn supports it now
[21:29]  * yofel wants a grub menu with a nice ubuntu logo :P
[21:30]  * SKB prefers 1 sec time out and no eye candy tbh.
[21:31] <yofel> can live with that too, but not with alpha and too buggy kernels :P
[21:32] <SKB> i guess i have to recompile nautilus :\
[21:32] <yofel> SKB: huh?
[21:32] <SKB> Nautilus cannot handle "computer" locations
[21:32] <SKB> that is annoying
[21:32] <yofel> ah, that one ^^
[21:32] <SKB> sine 9.04
[21:32] <SKB> since
[21:33] <SKB> btw how the trash can applet is called?
[21:33] <billybigrigger> SKB, places>computer works here
[21:34] <SKB> it doesn't work since 9.04 for me
[21:34] <SKB> also automount fails since then too :<
[21:35] <gnomefreak> computer works in karmic here
[21:35] <SKB> here too
[21:36] <SKB> i guess
[21:36] <gnomefreak> i mean places>computer
[21:36] <gnomefreak> auto mount of usb stick and 2nd HD works here jsut dvd/cd writer issues
[21:36] <yofel> automount is strange here, some things work without pw, some only with, one usb-hd gives u/ehci errors but works fine in jaunty...
[21:37] <SKB> i had a bad upgrade back in jaunty
[21:40] <billybigrigger> my raid won't automount
[21:40] <billybigrigger> :(
[21:41] <billybigrigger> i need to figure this out too
[21:41] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/aJcM-F.html
[21:47] <billybigrig> anyone know where devicekit logs?
[21:49] <billybigrig> hmmm
[22:01] <BUGabundo> ola
[22:01] <billybigrig> sup BUGabundo
[22:01] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[22:01] <charlie-tca__> hey, BUGabundo
[22:01] <billybigrig> yofel: what are you boot times with your fresh a2 install?
[22:01] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: popular guy! haha
[22:02] <yofel> billybigrig: 20s without login
[22:02] <BUGabundo> billybigrig seems so
[22:02] <billybigrig> yofel: charted?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrig yofel kklimonda charlie-tca__
[22:02] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca__: you here tonight?
[22:02] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo
[22:02] <yofel> billybigrig: http://imagebin.ca/view/FyUmXZ.html
[22:02] <charlie-tca__> appears so for now
[22:02] <BUGabundo> that's uncommon
[22:02] <billybigrig> yofel: you have a raid setup?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> guys need some one to do me a quick test
[22:03] <yofel> billybigrig: no, notebook
[22:03] <billybigrig> hmmm, still could have a raid setup :P
[22:03] <BUGabundo> anyone wants to change sources.list to pt.archive.ubuntu.com and check if the mirror key is valid?
[22:03] <charlie-tca__> I would, but I am broken now
[22:03] <BUGabundo> got probs today with it, hope its not be compremised
[22:04] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: i would but im ssh'd in, and would have to do it manually
[22:04] <billybigrig> i will if no one can do it through synaptic mirror chooser
[22:04] <billybigrig> eff it, ill do it :P i see no takers
[22:05] <billybigrig> pastebin your sources.list and ill just copy it
[22:05] <SKB> hehe good luck
[22:06] <BUGabundo> billybigrig not my sources! it was a VB minimal install
[22:06] <BUGabundo> billybigrig just replace/add to yours pt.archive.ubuntu.pt
[22:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> people this is a bit urgent
[22:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't have a /boot/grub/menu.lst anymore
[22:07] <BUGabundo> hey Le-Chuck_ITA
[22:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> after running update-grub in karmic
[22:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi bugabundo
[22:07] <BUGabundo> btw I have the new GDM... no auto login :((
[22:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is the above normal?
[22:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: me too and suffering :)
[22:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I fear that if I reboot I won't be able to boot again
[22:07] <SKB> Le-Chuck_ITA:  grub2?
[22:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes
[22:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> default in karmic I think
[22:07] <SKB> it doesn' tuse menu.lst anymore
[22:07] <billybigrig> u shouldnt have one
[22:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> aaah
[22:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> At office I had one
[22:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and running update-grub
[22:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> kept overwriting it
[22:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dunno
[22:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks a lot :)
[22:08] <SKB> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[22:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but is there a text-readable description of what will happen on the screen or just the configuration files?
[22:08] <billybigrig> ?
[22:09] <billybigrig> update-grub2
[22:09] <billybigrig> should have on-screen text
[22:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but is grub2 default in karmic? I think I can tell from the blue boot screen
[22:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah grub.cfg
[22:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[22:09] <billybigrig> no
[22:09] <SKB> don't edit that
[22:09] <billybigrig> don't edit gub.cfg
[22:09] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no I won't :)
[22:10] <billybigrig> Le-Chuck_ITA: read that wiki entry, everything you need to know is there
[22:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> edit /etc/default/grub instead
[22:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks a lot, everything is clear now
[22:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> not that I read it all
[22:11] <BUGabundo> SKB: new here?
[22:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am not superman :)
[22:11] <SKB> yep
[22:19] <BUGabundo> wlecome then SKB
[22:19] <BUGabundo> hope you enjoy us here :)
[22:19] <SKB> :>
[22:20] <SKB> thanks
[22:20] <billybigrig> http://imagebin.ca/view/aJcM-F.html
[22:20] <billybigrig> someone want to tell me where i can track down this devkit-disks-pa problem?
[22:20] <billybigrig> thats causing my 1 min boot
[22:20] <yofel> billybigrig: dmesg and syslog tell nothing?
[22:21] <billybigrig> no dmsg
[22:24] <billybigrig> nothing found for devkit-disks in dmesg or syslog
[22:25] <billybigrig> im not too familiar with devkit so..im kinda hooped here, don't know where to start troubleshooting
[22:25] <yofel> me neither :(
[22:26] <Zorael^2> Is there any command to divine *which* of my installed ppas a package is available from? apt-cache policy just says http://ppa.launchpad.net
[22:28] <eagles0513875> hey BUGabundo recommendation on this
[22:28] <BUGabundo> me me me
[22:28] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/396180 BUGabundo upstream it
[22:28] <BUGabundo> Zorael $ apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME
[22:29] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: I don't do much KDE :(
[22:29] <Zorael^2> BUGabundo: yeah, but doesn't tell me much when it's from a launchpad ppa
[22:29] <BUGabundo> Zorael yes it does!
[22:29] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: ok :( but lets say it was a gnome bug for instance and it was a regression from an early svn version of the gnome network manager and you were encountering this issue would you also file the bug upstream
[22:30] <Zorael^2> BUGabundo: Such as "500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages"
[22:30] <eagles0513875> Zorael: near the bottom when you do that it lists the repository it is in
[22:30] <billybigrig> Zorael what package?
[22:30] <Zorael^2> eagles0513875: Yeah, but in the case of launchpad ppas, it just says it's from a launchpad ppa, not /which/ ppa
[22:31] <Zorael^2> billybigrig: In this case it was bluetooth
[22:32] <Zorael^2> regardless of package, apt-cache policy just prints the domain of the ppa, not subdirectories which I need to know to figure out which ppa the package is from
[22:34] <Zorael^2> apt-cache showpkg did the trick~
[22:34] <billybigrig> so there ya go, answered your own question
[22:34] <billybigrig> :P
[22:34] <BUGabundo> Zorael then you check your sources ! LOL
[22:35] <BUGabundo> I think mine does say what PPA it is
[22:35] <Zorael^2> BUGabundo: I have 14 ppas set up, sometimes it's clear which one a given package is from, this time it wasn't
[22:35] <BUGabundo> only 14?
[22:35] <Zorael^2> yep!
[22:35] <billybigrig> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/banshee-team/banshee-daily/ubuntu karmic main
[22:35] <billybigrig> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/breathe-dev/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[22:35] <BUGabundo> you still have much to learn my young friend
[22:35] <billybigrig> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/trunk/ubuntu karmic main
[22:35] <billybigrig> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amoog/empathy-daily/ubuntu karmic main
[22:36] <billybigrig> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/do-core/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[22:36] <billybigrig> they all show up in apt sources
[22:36] <eagles0513875> billybigrigger: STOP
[22:36] <BUGabundo> billybigrig STOP !!!
[22:36] <eagles0513875> miss type
[22:36] <eagles0513875> billybigrig: no need to list them lol
[22:36] <billybigrig> you guys are slow, and i didnt mean to paste 5 lines
[22:36] <billybigrig> :P
[22:36] <BluesKaj> oh yes you did
[22:36] <eagles0513875> lol
[22:37] <billybigrig> pffft
[22:37] <gnomefreak> apt-cache policy packagename will tell you where it is from
[22:37] <BUGabundo> billybigrig I'm lagged
[22:37] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: must be
[22:37] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/212264/
[22:37] <Zorael^2> Consider any package (mplayer). You get an upgrade to it and it's a sucky one, and apt-cache policy says it's from a launchpad ppa with "500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages"
[22:37] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: already told him that :))
[22:37] <gnomefreak> billybigrig: in the future use pastebin to paste things
[22:38] <Zorael^2> Now you want to hunt down that guy who owns the ppa and get him to fix the bug, but you don't know *which* ppa it's from, just "500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages"
[22:38] <Zorael^2> ppa.launchpad.net/banshee-team? network-manager? fluffybunniesunited?
[22:38] <Zorael^2> and you don't get to use showpkg :)
[22:38] <Zorael^2> nor common sense!
[22:39] <BUGabundo> Zorael humm how about open synaptic and see Version you have?
[22:40] <Zorael^2> I don't have synaptic installed, I'm in a terminal. ;3
[22:40] <yofel> BUGabundo: that's not cli :P
[22:41] <billybigrig> is anyone here familiar with devkit-disks?
[22:42] <billybigrig> dammit, everytime i ask for some help with this everyone buggers off and is silent haha
[22:42] <gnomefreak> Zorael^2: apt-cache policy packagename
[22:43] <billybigrig> gnomefreak: he is right
[22:43] <Zorael^2> gnomefreak: That just says "500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages", not *which* ppa
[22:43] <gnomefreak> billybigrig: also we dont support PPA's in this channel
[22:43] <billybigrig> policy doesn't show WHAT PPA it came from
[22:43] <gnomefreak> look at the package name
[22:43] <billybigrig> just ppa.launchpad.net
[22:43] <billybigrig> gnomefreak: what do you mean? don't support ppas? im not asking
[22:44] <billybigrig> http://pastebin.ca/1487417
[22:44] <billybigrig> nowhere does apt-cache policy show theppa
[22:45] <billybigrig> i know i have the banshee ppa enabled too
[22:45] <billybigrig> Zorael i see what your saying
[22:45] <gnomefreak> ok billybigrig what package?
[22:45] <Zorael^2> :3
[22:45] <billybigrig> banshee
[22:45] <yofel> billybigrig: you might something looking through 'devkit-disks --dump'
[22:45] <billybigrig> and i know i have it from the banshee ppa
[22:45] <billybigrig> yofel: thansk
[22:45] <gnomefreak> ok does policy show the foillowing version?
[22:45] <billybigrig> yofel: i have a look there thanks
[22:45] <gnomefreak> !info banshee karmic
[22:46] <billybigrig> 1.5.1+git20090706.r1.5e9f054-0ubuntu1
[22:46] <gnomefreak> than its PPA version you have
[22:46] <yofel> billybigrig: thats about the only thing that I could find that actually tells me something :(
[22:46] <gnomefreak> billybigrig: use /msg ubottu info packagename in future
[22:46] <billybigrig> i think we've lost the qustion here
[22:47] <gnomefreak> also packages.ubuntu.com can help
[22:47] <billybigrig> zoreal^2 is looking to find where the ppa
[22:47] <billybigrig> not me
[22:48] <billybigrig> and apt-cache policy does NOT show WHICH ppa the package came from
[22:48] <billybigrig> end of story, thats all he was wondering
[22:49] <gnomefreak> and i explained how to do that. another way is to comment in sources.list as to what the ppa has in it. example (# gwibber PPA)
[22:53] <Zorael^2> Well, apt-cache showpkg did the trick. policy isn't verbose enough; it just says it's from a ppa, not what ppa.
[22:53] <billybigrig> gnomefreak: anyway to comment in what the ppa is if you add through synaptic?
[22:53] <billybigrig> don't think so eh?
[22:53] <billybigrig> anywho
[22:54] <gnomefreak> billybigrig: do they show up in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[22:54] <billybigrig> yofel: devkit-disks --dump doesn't show anything interesting
[22:54] <billybigrig> gnomefreak: yeah, but if you add the ppa through synaptic, you then have to go into cl and edit sources.list
[22:54] <gnomefreak> billybigrig: if not add them in file or make note and stick it on monitor :)
[22:55] <gnomefreak> doesnt it show what it is in software sources?
[22:55] <gnomefreak> system>admin>software sources
[22:55] <gnomefreak> it is updated with synaptic and any other way you add repos
[22:56] <gnomefreak> either way PPA help should be in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:57] <billybigrig> fair enough
[22:58] <billybigrig> wanna help me get my boot times down from 1:06?
[22:58] <billybigrig> :P
[22:58] <BUGabundo> billybigrig ask Bmw1000c! he has a 10sec one
[22:58] <billybigrig> http://imagebin.ca/view/aJcM-F.html
[22:58] <billybigrig> fresh install of A2 this afternoon
[22:59] <billybigrig> devkit-disks seems to be the problem, but im not to familiar with devkit
[22:59] <Bmw1000c> lool
[22:59] <Bmw1000c> yes i have
[22:59] <Zorael^2> Well, the case was for a cli command. I found it (again, showpkg), but kept getting suggestions to use policy, and then we ended up explaining why it didn't work. fwiw, KDE, so no Synaptic nor System/Admin menus.
[23:01] <billybigrig> anyone know how i can find out whats causing that devkit-disk process from hanging?
[23:02] <billybigrig> err causing to hang?
[23:02] <billybigrig> nothing refering to devkit-disks in any of the logs i've searched
[23:23] <dupondje> Pidgin doesn't use PulseAudio ?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> dupondje: no. it uses it
[23:24] <dupondje> but its not possible to set the volume of it ?
[23:24] <dupondje> for only pidgin in pulseaudio volume manger ?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> ah??
[23:25] <BUGabundo> a new app is coming out to manage volume
[23:25] <BUGabundo> pavucontrol doesn't do all it needs to do
[23:25] <BUGabundo> apps will have sound profile
[23:25] <dupondje> gnome-volume-control-pulse
[23:25] <BUGabundo> I see Pidgin on my pavucontrol, when it pings
[23:26] <BUGabundo> dupondje: no idea what that is :)
[23:29] <dupondje> BUGabundo: but u need to catch it when it pings ...
[23:29] <dupondje> cause I would like put put volume of that way lower
[23:29] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:29] <BUGabundo> I've complainded a lot A LOT about it
[23:30] <dupondje> :p
[23:41] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/KnkS5il.html
[23:41] <yofel> billybigrig: how did you get that?
[23:44] <billybigrig> floppy module
[23:44] <billybigrig> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/384579
[23:44] <dupondje> nite :)
[23:44] <billybigrig> blacklisted the floppy module and its good to go now
[23:46] <SKB> billybigrig: i fixed that from BIOS :P
[23:46] <yofel> o.O
[23:47] <SKB> in bios was an option about fdd and all i did is turned off fdd
[23:47] <billybigrig> just as easy to blacklist the floppy module :P
[23:48] <billybigrig> and bug report it
[23:48] <SKB> not for me :P
[23:48] <billybigrig> so it gets fixed :P
[23:48] <SKB> i am not playing with kernel atm :P


[17:49] <intellectronica> Rinchen: bing
[17:59]  * mpt waves blearily to mwhudson
[18:00] <mwhudson> hi mpt
[18:00] <mwhudson> i didn't even get up in time to make coffee :/
[18:00] <mpt> I'd actually prefer this meeting at 1200 UTC, because that's when my other meeting is :-P
[18:01] <thumper> mpt: ah, no
[18:01] <gmb> mwhudson: What you get for moving to the other side of the world, mate.
[18:01] <mwhudson> oof
[18:03] <intellectronica> mwhudson: it's not even clear that there is a meeting
[18:03] <barry> me?
[18:03] <intellectronica> but don't be sorry - waking up early builds character :P
[18:03] <sinzui> It's all about you
[18:03] <thumper> we're waiting for kiko to say yay or nay
[18:04] <mwhudson> wunderbar
[18:04] <mpt> #launchpad says "Next meeting (all welcome): Thu 6 March 2008, 1800UTC #launchpad-meeting"
[18:04] <thumper> but he isn't around right now
[18:04] <intellectronica> yeah, barry is our new Cod
[18:04] <salgado> I think barry was volunteering to chair the meeting? ;)
[18:04]  * barry searches for his cape
[18:04] <sinzui> waking up early is an opportunity to have an accident while in a somnambulistic state
[18:04]  * barry only finds his piece
[18:05] <statik_> thae cable company would choose *right now* to disconnect me
[18:05] <sinzui> No capes! Edna Mode was very clear on this point
[18:05] <intellectronica> sinzui: that's a /great/ word
[18:05] <barry> even cod capes?
[18:05] <mthaddon> or es capes
[18:06] <mpt> This conversation is in a soporific state
[18:06] <kiko> hello hello
[18:06] <statik_> shalom
[18:06] <barry> mpt: better than sophomoric
[18:06] <mpt> but kiko will soon fix that
[18:06] <sinzui> barry: Can you imagine the stench of a cod cape? You will certainly make friends with all the neighborhood cats.
[18:06] <statik_> al-maisan! welcome
[18:06] <mpt> Welcome al-maisan
[18:06] <cprov> me, me
[18:06] <kiko> where's that good ole Rinchen character
[18:06] <barry> sinzui: you're right.  and ms mode says nothing about cod pieces, so...
[18:06] <al-maisan> statik_: thanks :-)
[18:06] <gmb> Riiiiiiiiiincheeeeeeen!
[18:07] <kiko> ORRIGHT
[18:07] <thumper> Rinchen says he's busy
[18:07] <bigjools> slacker
[18:07] <kiko> ok
[18:07] <sinzui> barry: Are you hinting that you are wearing a cod piece?
[18:07] <kiko>  * Next meeting
[18:07] <kiko>  * Actions from last meeting
[18:07] <kiko>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[18:07] <kiko>  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[18:07] <kiko>  * Bug tags
[18:07] <kiko>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[18:07] <kiko>  * DBA report (stub)
[18:07] <kiko>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[18:07] <kiko>  * New packages required (salgado)
[18:07] <kiko>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[18:07] <kiko>  * Doc Team report (mrevell)
[18:07] <kiko> me
[18:07] <kiko> #startmeeting
[18:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:07. The chair is kiko.
[18:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:07] <barry> sinzui: hints and allegations
[18:07] <mthaddon> me
[18:07] <flacoste> me
[18:08] <leonardr> me
[18:08] <sinzui> me
[18:08] <mars> me
[18:08] <kiko> me
[18:08] <thumper> me
[18:08] <matsubara> me
[18:08] <adeuring> me
[18:08] <barry> me
[18:08] <mpt> me
[18:08] <FreeNode> me
[18:08] <bac> me
[18:08] <bigjools> me (until 1830UTC)
[18:08] <al-maisan> me
[18:08] <carlos> me
[18:08] <salgado> me
[18:08] <cprov> me
[18:08] <schwuk> me
[18:08] <stub> me
[18:08] <intellectronica> me (but leaving early, ~18:35)
[18:08] <gmb> me
[18:08] <statik_> me
[18:08] <kiko> well, we seem to have an official FreeNode representatirrrve
[18:08] <kiko> very good
[18:08] <mwhudson> me
[18:08] <carlos> jtv is travelling
[18:08] <BjornT> me (might leave a bit early as well)
[18:08] <kiko> mrevell is on the train
[18:08] <kiko> rinchen's blown us off
[18:09] <thumper> yup
[18:09] <kiko> steve's chatting up girls
[18:09] <kiko> what else
[18:09] <BjornT> allenap's internet connection is flakey, so he might not make it
[18:09] <kiko> ok
[18:09] <kiko> let's make this quick then
[18:09] <thumper> kiko: code's not blocked, can I go now
[18:09] <thumper> ?
[18:09] <kiko> thumper, no.
[18:09] <gmb> kiko: allenap just phoned to say he /won't/ make it
[18:09] <SteveA> me
[18:09] <kiko> [TOPIC] * Next meeting
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Next meeting
[18:09] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[18:09] <kiko> SteveA!!
[18:09] <SteveA> kiko: !
[18:10] <kiko> so next meeting, who can't be here?
[18:10] <SteveA> me
[18:10] <barry> kiko: me
[18:10] <EdwinGrubbs> kiko: me
[18:10] <SteveA> I'll be en route to PyCon
[18:10] <mars> me
[18:10] <mthaddon> I will be off next week (vacation)
[18:11]  * kiko can't live without mthaddon!
[18:11] <kiko> I'll be here
[18:11] <kiko> so [AGREED] meeting next week, same time, same location.
[18:11]  * kiko looks at MootBot
[18:11] <kiko> [AGREED] meeting next week, same time, same location god dam mit
[18:11] <MootBot> AGREED received:  meeting next week, same time, same location god dam mit
[18:11] <schwuk> maybe it didn't like the "so "
[18:12] <kiko> [TOPIC] Actions from last meeting
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Actions from last meeting
[18:12] <kiko>  * repost: salgado to investigate adding turbogears for codebrowse and germinate
[18:12] <kiko>  * repost: danilos to investigate profiling and Rosetta team to prepare proposal for next week to fix remaining timeouts
[18:12] <kiko>  * repost: mthaddon - discuss updating devpad rocketfuel archives to packs and do so if lifeless approved.
[18:12] <kiko>  * repost: kiko and cprov - discuss bug 193656
[18:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193656 in soyuz "Process-death-row procedure became very slow" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193656
[18:12] <kiko>  * matsubara to file a place holder bug for OOPS-788EB21 and assign it to carlos who is already investigating it. Done: bug 196679
[18:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196679 in rosetta "ValueError on +language-packs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196679
[18:12] <kiko>  * matsubara to investigate OOPS-788EC5 and confirm if it's related to 195809, if not file a new bug.
[18:12] <danilos> me
[18:12] <kiko>  * matsubara to email flacoste about oops in 196661 and check if it was fixed by 191074. Done: 196661 is a new issue. Francis on it.
[18:12] <kiko>  * cprov and salgado to discus python-apt packaging in lpdebs
[18:12] <mthaddon> kiko, devpad has been upgraded to packs format
[18:12] <kiko> mthaddon, good job.
[18:12] <matsubara> it's not related and I just filed bug 199203 for OOPS-788EC5
[18:12] <kiko> salgado?
[18:12] <ubotu> Bug 199203 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199203 is private
[18:12] <danilos> kiko: we have some reports, haven't agreed on the action yet (a lot of stuff has changed with the new DB hardware)
[18:13] <kiko> danilos, yeah, the performance is amazing this week! let's keep our eyes peeled, but it looks much better.
[18:13] <kiko> flacoste, do you know the answer to the actions for salgado?
[18:13] <salgado> kiko, haven't investigated yet
[18:13] <salgado> kiko, I think we're going to put turbogears inside sourcecode/
[18:13] <danilos> kiko: some of my suspicions have been confirmed (i.e. lots of translations mean slower fetching of external suggestions), but some might need more investigation
[18:14] <kiko> salgado, do you need some input from anywhere?
[18:14] <salgado> kiko, and germinate should be easy to add
[18:14] <salgado> kiko, nope, don't think so
[18:14] <kiko> salgado, what do we need to do to make these happen? don't say give me 28h days
[18:14] <salgado> kiko, I'll do it tomorrow, promise!
[18:15] <kiko> salgado, :) thanks
[18:15] <kiko> so cprov and I have worked on the bug we had assigned to ourselves to fix death row slowness
[18:15] <salgado> they don't seem to be urgent, so they kept slipping
[18:15] <mwhudson> salgado: be warned, turbogears doesn't work with the version of sqlobject that's in sourcecode...
[18:15] <kiko> elmo gave me a hint, and cprov worked out a patch that makes it, oh, 30x faster :)
[18:15] <cprov> kiko: yes, and julian will be reviewing it in a bit
[18:15] <salgado> mwhudson, that's good to know. thanks!
[18:16] <kiko> [ACTION] salgado to investigate codebrowse and germinate inclusion in sourcecode, TOMORROW :)
[18:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  salgado to investigate codebrowse and germinate inclusion in sourcecode, TOMORROW :)
[18:16] <cprov> salgado: I'm just waiting to the new python-apt package to be published in gutsy-backports.
[18:16] <kiko> cprov, any ETA for that from mvo?
[18:16] <kiko> matsubara, what about your action items?
[18:16] <cprov> kiko: no :(
[18:16] <matsubara> kiko: already answered.
[18:17] <matsubara> kiko: <matsubara> it's not related and I just filed bug 199203 for OOPS-788EC5
[18:17] <ubotu> Bug 199203 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199203 is private
[18:17] <matsubara> kiko: and the other two are already done, and updated in the MeetingAgenda items themselves
[18:17] <kiko> matsubara, ah, I see that we've got some resolved ones there. thanks!
[18:17] <kiko> cool
[18:17] <kiko> matsubara, are any of them high or critical?
[18:17] <jml> hello!
[18:17] <kiko> hey jml
[18:18] <kiko> thumper, just saw your OOPS landing fix, thanks a lot -- we might need to get that cherrypicked if it's happenning on lpnet?
[18:18] <kiko> [TOPIC]  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[18:18] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Oops report (Matsubara)
[18:18] <matsubara> kiko: only flacoste's one
[18:18] <kiko> thanks.
[18:18]  * flacoste is a slacker
[18:18] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 192242, 198828
[18:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192242 in launchpad-bazaar "OOPS linking an existing branch to a series" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192242
[18:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198828 in launchpad "Upload project file with non-ascii character in the filename breaks the page" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198828
[18:18] <matsubara> Bug 192242 has no assignee yet, mwhudson recently changed its importance to High. Any code-team takers?
[18:18] <flacoste> but it should be fixed for next week
[18:18] <matsubara> Yesterday I chatted with Edwin about bug 198828. He took it and will have a fix soon.
[18:19] <kiko> thanks flacoste
[18:19] <mwhudson> i can look at it
[18:19] <kiko> matsubara, this happens because we have non-ascii filenames in islocc, right?
[18:19] <matsubara> Also bug 199203, which I just reported, could use some help from the code team to figure out the cause behind the oops
[18:19] <ubotu> Bug 199203 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199203 is private
[18:19] <matsubara> kiko: yes
[18:19] <mwhudson> though i worry that i'm going to get confused about the intended workflows around productseries
[18:20] <kiko> mwhudson, hmm, if you wanna chat with me or thumper while we are around here, I'd be happy
[18:20] <kiko> mwhudson, if you like, arrange a call with us for tomorrow
[18:20] <kiko> can be early if you like
[18:20] <kiko> matsubara, thanks!
[18:20] <mwhudson> kiko: ping me when you get up?
[18:20] <mwhudson> i'm likely to be working a bit later tonight anyway
[18:20] <thumper> kiko: the code oops is on lpnet, so yes a cherry pick would be a good idea
[18:21] <kiko> thumper, please arrange it with mthaddon or herb_, rc=kiko
[18:21] <kiko> [TOPIC] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[18:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[18:21] <kiko> we're going to skip this this week, unless anyone has a critical bug to raise
[18:21] <sodarock_home> matsubara: where you going to talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/196253
[18:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [High,New]
[18:21] <kiko> aha!
[18:21] <matsubara> oh sorry, forgot about that one.
[18:21] <kiko> sodarock_home, we can do that as a top-user-affecting-issue-of-the-week
[18:22] <kiko> (if matsubara likes)
[18:22] <matsubara> yep, could be
[18:22] <kiko> ok cool
[18:22] <kiko> so any critical bugs apart from the ones above?
[18:22] <matsubara> I'll proxy mrevell stuff anyway
[18:22] <kiko> ok
[18:22] <kiko> SteveA, ping?
[18:22] <kiko> [TOPIC]  * Bug tags
[18:22] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Bug tags
[18:22] <SteveA> kiko: hi
[18:23] <kiko> I had one proposed tag
[18:23] <kiko> wanted input from BjornT, SteveA and others
[18:23] <kiko>  dupefinder
[18:23] <kiko>
[18:23] <kiko> Bugs related to the duplicate matcher
[18:23] <kiko>
[18:23] <kiko> kiko
[18:23] <flacoste> dupefinder?
[18:23] <kiko>
[18:23] <kiko> [WWW] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/174443
[18:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174443 in malone "Project groups need option to offer bug/question suggestions across projects" [Undecided,New]
[18:23] <kiko> yep
[18:23] <kiko> anyone +/- on that?
[18:24] <mpt> There are about 3~4 bug reports that tag could be used for, that I know of
[18:24] <statik_> i am in favor of all tags
[18:24] <kiko> it's a bit of rather unique functionality we have
[18:24] <kiko> and we have it in answers and in bugs
[18:24] <kiko> anyone strongly against it?
[18:24] <kiko> going
[18:25] <kiko> going
[18:25] <kiko> gone
[18:25] <kiko> okay, I'll self-approve that one. :)
[18:25] <SteveA> nice
[18:25] <kiko> [TOPIC]  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[18:25] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Operations report (mthaddon/herb)
[18:25] <mthaddon> DB migration for staging and demo now complete
[18:25] <mthaddon> Feeds URLs should now be working correctly on demo
[18:25] <mthaddon> Working on missing bug report for intellectronica
[18:25] <mthaddon> Need to work on capturing coredumps for PQM
[18:26] <mthaddon> that's it from herb and myself unless there are any questions
[18:26] <danilos> how long will we be without production DB mirror?
[18:26] <danilos> SteveA: ^
[18:26] <mthaddon> danilos, that's up to SteveA and elmo to discuss
[18:26] <SteveA> we discussed it
[18:26] <mthaddon> danilos, but there's always staging
[18:27] <SteveA> I want you to use staging for this.  You'll need to arrange with kiko and joey when it's appropriate for you to do heavy lifting on staging.
[18:27] <kiko> danilos, does it need to be r/w?
[18:27] <kiko> mthaddon, are the last snags with updating staging finished?
[18:27] <danilos> kiko: yes, occasionally (when testing scripts like we want to do right now)
[18:27] <mthaddon> kiko, yes, all looking good now
[18:27] <kiko> mthaddon, quite a number of them -- whose fault is that?
[18:28] <mthaddon> kiko, mine :(
[18:28] <kiko> was our setup complicated?
[18:28] <kiko> or undocumented?
[18:28] <kiko> or something else?
[18:28] <mthaddon> kiko, just more complicated when the DB and app server are on different boxes
[18:28] <kiko> mthaddon, yeah, I can see how that is
[18:29] <kiko> [TOPIC]  * DBA report (stub)
[18:29] <MootBot> New Topic:   * DBA report (stub)
[18:29] <stub> AuthPersonSplit has been drafted and wants feedback. Nothing else to report this week.
[18:29] <mthaddon> kiko, since we want to restore the DB to a new DB, and then if that works, bring the app server down, rename the DB, rollout new code, bring the app server back up, etc.
[18:29] <carlos> danilos: you didn't wait for the RT section! :-P
[18:29] <danilos> carlos: you get to mention it there, and then in the 'Translations: blocked' :)
[18:29] <mthaddon> kiko, and we also have authserver and mailman to worry about - which we were before too, but the new script is a little more comprehensive
[18:30] <kiko> mthaddon, yeah, I can see how that is. congrats on getting it on!
[18:30] <kiko> stub, who do you want feedback from?
[18:30] <stub> barry, sabdfl, stevea, kiko, salgado (already done), francis
[18:30] <stub> And anyone else interested :)
[18:30] <kiko> stub, we could do a phone call tomorrow earlier, if you like?
[18:31] <kiko> [TOPIC] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[18:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[18:31]  * barry will try to provide said feedback soon
[18:31] <carlos> RT: #30167
[18:31] <Rinchen> Hi! Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent?
[18:31] <SteveA> I'm hungry
[18:31] <SteveA> I'll file an RT request
[18:31] <kiko> hmmm
[18:31] <Rinchen> back to you kiko
[18:31] <gmb> SteveA: Elmo will feed you shortly
[18:31] <stub> kiko: Read the spec first and see if a phone call is warrented. Hopefully I won't have to have calls with everyone :)
[18:32] <carlos> Rinchen: getting back a mirror to test data migration script for a regression in Dapper langauge packs
[18:32] <kiko> salgado, cprov: do you guys need RTs?
[18:32] <kiko> stub, we could have a confcall is my idea
[18:32] <mthaddon> SteveA, is RT 30167 obsolete based on your discussions?
[18:32] <flacoste> since most of us are in london
[18:32] <Rinchen> carlos, ok...send me the rt number in an email.
[18:32] <kiko> (for any of that packaging stuff)
[18:32] <cprov> kiko: no, it's all good.
[18:32] <Rinchen> please!
[18:32] <flacoste> apart barry and salgado - who already gave you feedback
[18:32] <carlos> Rinchen: ok
[18:32] <stub> kiko: ok. tomorrow.
[18:32] <kiko> cool
[18:32] <SteveA> mthaddon: is that to do with translations using a server?
[18:32] <kiko> stub, okay, will arrange -- thanks
[18:33] <kiko> [TOPIC] * New packages required (salgado)
[18:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  * New packages required (salgado)
[18:33] <mthaddon> SteveA, yeah, staging accounts for translations
[18:33] <salgado> if any of the branches you're working on right now  depends on any library which is not part of the launchpad-dependencies package, come talk to me ASAP.
[18:33] <SteveA> mthaddon: I disucssed it with kiko and elmo
[18:33] <kiko> mthaddon, let's chat about this in 5 minutes
[18:33] <mthaddon> cool
[18:33] <cprov> I'd like to know if we have a due date to migrate lp-dev default env to hardy.
[18:33] <kiko> any changes requiring new packages or a sourcecode update?
[18:33] <kiko> cprov, hmm, we don't yet. what's broken?
[18:33] <SteveA> mthaddon: and they can have staging accounts, but we'll need a process for them to agree when they're going to be doing r/w or resource intensive stuff
[18:33] <cprov> it will affect the alternatives for lp-dep package
[18:34] <cprov> kiko: on hardy we won't need any change in lp-dep.
[18:34] <kiko> I see.
[18:35] <kiko> well, remind salgado if you remember you need a package!
[18:35] <kiko> [TOPIC] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[18:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[18:35] <matsubara> proxying mrevell:
[18:35] <matsubara> User-affecting issue:
[18:35] <matsubara> Hello! Today's user affecting issue was raised during the Bazaar
[18:35] <matsubara> sprint here in London and is to do with splitting bug reports.
[18:35] <matsubara> If someone reports a bug and it turns out that the issue is actually
[18:35] <matsubara> caused by more than one bug, it would be useful to be able to split
[18:35] <matsubara> the bug report. This is essentially the same as creating a new bug
[18:35] <matsubara> report, except that this new process of splitting a bug would allow
[18:35] <matsubara> the splitter to choose which comments would move into the new bug.
[18:36] <kiko> matsubara, not a bad feature, though perhaps a client-side script that cloned a bug would be a mitigation step
[18:36] <kiko> it wouldn't remove comments
[18:36] <matsubara> And I'm looking for a volunteer or mentor for bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/196253. It's one line change fix but I have no idea how to test.
[18:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [High,New]
[18:36] <kiko> matsubara, cprov might be a good mentor for that?
[18:36] <mpt> That feature would be partly JavaScript, yes
[18:37] <cprov> matsubara: I can help you with that.
[18:37] <kiko> cool
[18:37] <mpt> it's reported as bug 158718, which is currently marked Low
[18:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158718 in malone "ability to split bugs" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158718
[18:37] <kiko> matsubara, can you relay that back as mrevell?
[18:37] <matsubara> cprov: ok. thanks. I'll chat with after the meeting
[18:37] <matsubara> kiko: sure thing.
[18:37] <matsubara> thanks mpt
[18:37] <cprov> matsubara: cool
[18:37] <kiko> [TOPIC] * Doc Team report (mrevell)
[18:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Doc Team report (mrevell)
[18:37] <matsubara> proxying again:
[18:37] <matsubara> Hi. This week I've been down in London to take part in some of the
[18:37] <matsubara> Bazaar sprint and also to meet with members of the Launchpad team who
[18:37] <matsubara> have been here this week.
[18:37] <matsubara> The most important thing to come out of this for Launchpad
[18:37] <matsubara> documentation is that I've spoken with the Launchpad team leads. I've
[18:37] <matsubara> taken notes regarding the next few months of work on each of their
[18:37] <matsubara> parts of LP and this will feed into my user guide and new LP tour
[18:37] <matsubara> work.
[18:37] <matsubara> A new way of implementing context help in the LP UI has been discussed
[18:37] <matsubara> as well in London. mpt is planning to create mock-ups and a user
[18:37] <matsubara> experience description and I'm working to review our current UI text
[18:38] <matsubara> and produce new context sensitive help.
[18:38] <matsubara> Thanks.
[18:38] <kiko> okay, this is cool
[18:38] <kiko> nothing else to cover?
[18:38] <matsubara> nope, back to you kiko
[18:38] <kiko> [TOPIC]  * Blockers
[18:38] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Blockers
[18:38] <Rinchen> Releases Team: mpt blocked on foundations.
[18:38] <kiko> you know what to doooooooooooo
[18:38] <SteveA> SC: not blocked
[18:38] <thumper> code: not blocked
[18:38] <flacoste> Foundations: not blocked
[18:39] <kiko> flacoste, what is this blocked on foundations madness???
[18:39] <carlos> Translations: Blocked on RT #30167
[18:39] <flacoste> Rinchen: i'll unblock you tomorrow
[18:39] <BjornT> Bugs: not blocked
[18:39] <flacoste> Rinchen: actually, you're not blocked, you have other things to do :-)
[18:39] <gmb> Bugs team: not blocked
[18:39] <carlos> flacoste: is that my fault?
[18:39]  * gmb should read scrollback
[18:39] <flacoste> carlos: nope
[18:40] <adeuring> HWDB: not blocked
[18:40] <kiko> thanks adeuring
[18:40] <carlos> ok
[18:40] <kiko> carlos, that RT should me sorted out real quick.
[18:40] <flacoste> carlos: well, you're also a blocker eventually, but that's not the one he's referring to :-)
[18:40] <mpt> SteveA had this other word for "not blocked, but needing stuff from"
[18:40] <kiko> okay, thanks everyone
[18:40] <mpt> But I forget what that word was
[18:40] <kiko> see you again next week
[18:40] <kiko> #endmeeting
[18:40] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:40.
[18:40] <carlos> flacoste: that's what I suspected... :-P
[18:40] <stub> Bed time
[18:40] <carlos> flacoste, mpt: I will try to get that done tomorrow. At least started
[18:41]  * stub waves goodnight
[18:41] <kiko> night stub
[18:41] <mwhudson> thanks kiko
[18:41] <kiko> thanks mwhudson
[18:41] <flacoste> carlos: what was your next step?
[18:41] <carlos> kiko: is there anything I should do to get unblocked?
[18:41] <kiko> mwhudson, if you wanna call us tomorrow, let me know
[18:41] <kiko> carlos, no, I'll see to it with elmo
[18:41] <mpt> thanks carlos
[18:41] <carlos> kiko: ok, thank you
[18:41] <flacoste> carlos: is it the Navigation menu links?
[18:41] <mwhudson> kiko: well, i'll have a look-see today, and if i'm confused will hassle you when you get up :)
[18:41] <kiko> mwhudson, sounds good. thanks!
[18:41] <carlos> flacoste: take a look to current code, prepare an action plan and ask for a preimplementation call
[18:42] <carlos> flacoste: yeah
[18:42] <flacoste> carlos: ok, i discussed this with SteveA, so have a good idea of the solution, which is very easy actually
[18:42] <flacoste> carlos: we can discuss it tomorrow
[18:42] <carlos> flacoste: ok
[18:42] <carlos> flacoste: should we agree the time now?
[18:43] <flacoste> carlos: 15:30UTC?
[18:44] <carlos> flacoste: I need to be out of the office around that time
[18:44] <carlos> it needs to be earlier or much later...
[18:44] <flacoste> carlos: ok, let's see how it goes here tomorrow, otherwise, it probably have to be next week
[18:44] <flacoste> carlos: i'll try to find some time during a break in the morning discussions
[18:44] <carlos> ok
[18:45]  * statik_ curses the network
[18:45] <carlos> flacoste: thanks
[18:45] <statik_> lpcomm:लदू
[18:46] <statik_> lpcomm: not blocked
[18:47]  * statik_ goes downstairs to talk with the cable installers


[08:27] <schopin> bdmurray: sorry about update-maintainer. TBH the first time I heard of it was last week :D
[10:44] <schopin> Could someone retrigger the mosquitto tests for the openssl migration? I can't reproduce the errors locally... https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=amd64&package=mosquitto&trigger=openssl%2F1.1.1l-1ubuntu1 https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=impish&arch=s390x&package=mosquitto&trigger=openssl%2F1.1.1l-1ubuntu1
[11:07] <ginggs> schopin: .
[14:18] <bdmurray> schopin: no problem!
[14:21] <schopin> bdmurray: just to be clear, I'm now waiting for an OK from the release team before the packages show up in bionic-proposed, right?
[14:22] <bdmurray> schopin: No, you are waiting for an OK from the Ubuntu SRU team. You can see the queue of what they have to review here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1
[14:22] <bdmurray> change bionic to whatever release is appropriate
[14:22] <schopin> Ah, perfect, that's what I was looking for this morning.
[14:24] <schopin> And SRU team != release team, got it.
[14:25] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[14:25] <schopin> Yes, the aforementioned link was just hidden in the section for the SRU reviewers.
[17:31] <jawn-smith> I have a version number question: If a package's version number ends in "-debian1" is the appropriate next ubuntu version number "-debian-1ubuntu1"?
[17:31] <cjwatson> -debian1ubuntu1
[17:31] <jawn-smith> Sorry that's a type
[17:32] <jawn-smith> typo*
[17:32] <jawn-smith> I'm on fire today
[17:32] <jawn-smith> the original version number ends in "-debian-1"
[17:32] <cjwatson> oh
[17:32] <cjwatson> -debian-1ubuntu1 then
[17:32] <cjwatson> keep the same number of dashes as in the original
[17:32] <jawn-smith> excellent, that's what I have. Thanks!
[17:32] <cjwatson> The Debian maintainer is probably confused but that's not your problem
[17:32] <cjwatson> (Since they will have thereby constructed a package whose upstream version is something like "1.0-debian", probably not correctly)
[17:33] <jawn-smith> It just looks a little awkward having both debian and ubuntu specified, and with different hyphenation
[17:33] <jawn-smith> So I wanted to be sure before uploading. Thanks cjwatson!
[17:33] <cjwatson> np
[17:44] <sarnold> mwhudson: yay, hooray for the kernel fixes :) that sounds vastly better than recompiling all golang packages :)
[17:46] <sarnold> mwhudson: oh hey, awesome "combiner" script -- even 67 pacakges feels like a lot to fiddle with
[19:44] <mwhudson> sarnold: yeah (to both)
[19:45] <sarnold> :)