[00:17] <rbelem> ScottK, do i have permission to sponsor?
[00:18] <ScottK> No.  You need to be either in kubuntu-dev or Ubuntu core-dev.
[00:19] <rbelem> oki :-)
[00:56] <EagleScreen> what happens with oneiric alpha2 images? they aren't in cdimage.ubuntu.com
[00:57] <EagleScreen> daily-live neither since 5, july
[00:58] <ScottK> Kubuntu skipped Alpha 2.
[00:59] <ScottK> We're currently in the middle of switching to KDE 4.7 and so things are a bit broken (see apachelogger's mail to kubuntu-devel a few days ago)
[00:59] <EagleScreen> okay
[03:02] <ScottK> NCommander: No one bit on the compiler bug in #linaro, so I guess we can discuss on Monday.
[07:37] <bambee> morning
[07:44] <valorie> so stuff is still somewhat broken, and I should hold off on updates still?
[07:45] <valorie> btw: http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2011/07/teamwork.html
[07:45] <valorie> kudos and mucho thanks to all of you
[08:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: re blinken, yes, that is how awesome things could be ^^
[08:20] <apachelogger> interestingly enough in 24h all my packages did not get reviewed :S
[08:30] <valorie> you weren't cracking the whip!\
[09:24] <CIA-52> [kde-wallpapers] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (copyrightgen.rb copyright) Fix copyright and add a script that spits out dep5 for wallpapers ^^
[09:26] <CIA-52> [kde-wallpapers] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.6.90-0ubuntu1
[09:29] <apachelogger> bambee: is libkexiv2 fixed now?
[09:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kate and libkipi fixeD?
[09:30] <bambee> apachelogger: it is
[09:31] <apachelogger> bambee: I still don't see an update to the symbols files though?
[09:32] <bambee> arfff you're talking about the branch :\
[09:32] <apachelogger> yes
[09:32] <bambee> I've to merge it (I totally forgot that)
[09:32] <bambee> o_O
[09:32] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:32]  * apachelogger uploads kgamma meanwhile
[09:33] <bambee> I've a family dinner now, but don't worry I will merge it this evening !!
[09:33] <apachelogger> kk, enjoy lunch
[09:33] <bambee> (however it's uploaded into the ppa since few days)
[09:36] <CIA-52> [kgamma] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.6.90+repack-0ubuntu1
[09:37] <yofel> morning
[09:37] <apachelogger> you know, I should just let stuff sit in bzr until someone other than me moves their arse
[09:37] <yofel> you could upload new meta-kde from bzr
[09:38] <yofel> or marble
[09:38] <apachelogger> nah
[09:38] <apachelogger> seems all the stuff I need for mobile is in oneiric
[09:39] <yofel> . . .
[09:39] <yofel> someone promote me to kubuntu-dev and motu so we can deprecate apachelogger...
[09:39] <apachelogger> shit is not getting uploaded or reviewed without me
[09:40] <apachelogger> that is not how this is supposed to work
[09:40] <apachelogger> terrible wrongness
[09:48] <apachelogger> yofel: debian/.rules.kate-swp
[09:48] <yofel> huh?
[09:48] <apachelogger> in meta-kde
[09:48] <apachelogger> yofel: vcs field would be good to have if it is in bzr
[09:48] <yofel> true
[09:49] <yofel> that kate-swp file seems to be there since a long time ago o.O (in the package at least)
[09:49] <yofel> removed
[09:51] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (.rules.kate-swp control) Add Vcs fields for bzr and remove editor swp file
[10:02] <debfx> yofel: so when are you going to apply for kubuntu-dev?
[10:03] <yofel> good question... you think I should?
[10:04] <debfx> definitely
[10:04]  * yofel will look at the procedure later then
[10:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: you did not push kdemm
[10:06] <debfx> great :)
[10:07] <debfx> basically you have to prepare a wiki page and write a mail to kubuntu-devel to organize a kubuntu-dev meeting
[11:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: does you haz time to prescreen blog post?
[11:16] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yes
[11:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: mail sent
[11:20] <Nightrose> k
[11:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thx :*
[11:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: should the gsoc stauts report page on the community wiki implement alphabetical order?
[11:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yw - and so far everyone just added their name at the bottom - i think that's ok
[11:36] <apachelogger> kk
[13:17] <Quintasan_> ...
[13:17] <Quintasan_> apachelogger: I'm busy trying to install Windows now
[13:17] <yofel> ...
[13:17] <Quintasan_> This little bastard won't install for some retarded reason
[13:17] <yofel> which ancient release are you trying to install?
[13:18] <Quintasan_> 7
[13:18] <Quintasan_> Setup was unable to create or find a system partition
[13:18] <yofel> LOL, and I thought only ubuntu was able to do that ^^
[13:18] <Quintasan_> On a !#%@ NTFS partition formatted within installer
[13:18] <Quintasan> I was wondering if it can get more retarded than this
[13:21] <CIA-52> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 109 * bin/kopypackages dump -r option and make both source and target release required. Also add -q and -c <credfile> options to make the script scriptable
[15:00] <ximion> hi!
[15:00] <ximion> does anyone know something about the state of Kate in Oneiric?
[15:00] <ximion> currently, kate is broken because of packaging issues
[15:00] <ximion> (see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277420 )
[15:01] <ximion> I added some more info to this bug report, since this is a Kubuntu issue and not KDE's fault
[15:04] <ScottK> I'll be gone most of today, but will be able to do New tonight.
[15:04] <ScottK> ximion: No surprising since we still have kate from KDE 4.6 and libs from 4.7.
[15:05] <ScottK> Please just close the bug and file a new one if there's still a problem after it's updated.
[15:05] <ximion> ScottK, exactly - that's why I was not sure if filing a bug makes sense if there will be a new kate package soon
[15:05] <ximion> (kate has been split out of kdesdk...)
[15:06] <ScottK> Filing a bug is pointless.
[15:07] <ximion> there shouldn't be any problem with an updated kate
[15:07] <ximion> because kate is maybe the most important tool on my desktop, I compiled it from source and it works very well
[15:09] <ximion> (the current KDE upgrade paths seem to be broken at time in Oneiric - last updated tried to remove kwin)
[15:09] <yofel> ximion: there is no problem with kate 4.7 here, so once the package is updated it will work fine
[15:09] <jjesse> ximion what do you mean aobut current kde upgrade?  i did a dist-upgrade on friday w/o problems from natty -> oneric
[15:10] <yofel> jjesse: we started putting 4.7 packages in O the last 2 days
[15:10] <yofel> so you upgraded just before that ^^
[15:10] <jjesse> oh ok
[15:10] <jjesse> just in time :)
[15:10] <ximion> jjesse, kate 4.7 work great here too :)
[15:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: kiten is a reject due to data/edict_kanjidic_licence.html not in debian/copyright.
[15:11] <jjesse> yeah i haven't updated since i did-upstrade
[15:11] <ximion> but the side-effects of the KDE 4.6/4.7 mix here are sometimes very weird...
[15:17] <HorusHorrendus> when you finished packaging kde 4.7 rc 1 ... will it be easier for you to package rc2/release or will it be that much work always from now onwards?
[15:29] <Quintasan> HorusHorrendus: It will be easier
[15:36] <HorusHorrendus> great news ;)
[16:59] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime] Philip Muškovac * 219 * debian/ (changelog control) Bump various breaks/replaces to catch the package version from the
[17:08] <CIA-52> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 110 * bin/kopypackages put -h into the synopsis
[17:38] <bambee> Can someone merge this branch ? https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/libkexiv2/+merge/67461
[17:40] <yofel> looking
[17:44] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/libkexiv2] Philip Muškovac * 10 * debian/ (libkexiv2-10.install libkexiv2-10.symbols) Merge branch lp:~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/libkexiv2
[17:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: poor thing
[17:56] <apachelogger> yofel: luv the copy script
[17:56] <apachelogger> suppose we should make a release soonish
[17:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: did the other plunder get in?
[17:57] <yofel> :D
[18:05] <bambee> yofel: thanks
[18:06]  * apachelogger fixes the kitten
[18:06] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4
[18:06] <apachelogger> -t
[18:06] <apachelogger> :P
[18:14]  * yofel goes writing his kubuntu-dev wiki page
[18:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: this kiten business is actually way confusing
[18:21] <apachelogger> install( FILES data/edict data/kanjidic data/radkfile data/vconj data/romkana.cnv DESTINATION ${DATA_INSTALL_DIR}/kiten)
[18:21] <apachelogger> ./control:Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, edict, kanjidic
[18:21] <apachelogger> that aint not making no sense IMHO
[18:42] <yofel> apachelogger: you've seen my work here a lot, do you think I should apply for kubuntu-dev? (i.e. would I get a +1 from you?)
[18:54] <CIA-52> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 111 * bin/kopypackages python3 doesn't support octal file modes
[19:01] <apachelogger> yofel: do you have a wiki page yet
[19:02] <yofel> writing one
[19:02] <yofel> trying to remember what I did here other than KDE and neon packaging
[19:04] <shadeslayer> \o
[19:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: on the kate issues now
[19:05]  * shadeslayer wonders what was wrong with kipi
[19:06] <shadeslayer> ah, hmm
[19:07] <yofel> apachelogger: here's what I have so far https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PhilipMuskovac/KubuntuDevApplication
[19:08] <shadeslayer> oh, yofel apply for kubuntu-dev ?
[19:08] <yofel> well, thinking loudly about it ^^
[19:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: see wiki for libkipi
[19:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: best of luck :D
[19:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw me and yofel have a bit of a issue with qemu + oneiric + ARM kernel
[19:12] <shadeslayer> if you have some free time, could you help us?
[19:12] <yofel> well, works fine with natty kernel, but someone should update that wiki for oneiric
[19:16] <apachelogger> I do not compute right now
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what be you talking about?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well, we were able to produce a qemu natty ARM image
[19:17] <shadeslayer> which we upgraded to oneiric
[19:18] <shadeslayer> but due to changes in the kernels in oneric, we can't get a proper oneiric vmlinuz to boot with qemu
[19:18] <apachelogger> yofel: IMHO it makes sense to list interesting/complicate/funky stuff you have done, having done a bazillion packages alone does not qualify for developer status ^^
[19:18] <yofel> true
[19:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is a qemu arm image?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> kernel panics because it can't find proper partitions
[19:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the one you produce using rootstock
[19:19] <apachelogger> aha
[19:19] <apachelogger> so why not create an oneiric image?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: permission errors
[19:19] <shadeslayer> i'm assuming its the same issue plaguing the pbuilders
[19:19] <yofel> should be, it's the same package that fails to install
[19:20] <apachelogger> well then
[19:20] <apachelogger> wait for a fix :P
[19:20] <apachelogger> or prod someone into fixing it faster
[19:23] <shadeslayer> i think they already are on the issue, so we'll just wait for a fix
[19:25] <shadeslayer> now to figure out kate
[19:35] <apachelogger> I should be leaving
[19:35] <apachelogger> too much rain
[19:35]  * apachelogger is scared
[19:36] <yofel> where to?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> ok, need your opinion on usr/lib/libkatepartinterfaces.so.4.7.0 , should i provide symbols for this even tho we have been shipping this lib in kate?
[19:46] <yofel> well, it was a package of it's own since it was in kdelibs before, kate seems to be the only rdepend though
[19:47] <shadeslayer> uh, no, that lib was shipped in kate
[19:47] <shadeslayer> kate: /usr/lib/libkateinterfaces.so.4.6.0
[19:47] <shadeslayer> oh fooey
[19:47] <yofel> !info libkatepartinterfaces4
[19:48] <yofel> and *that's* a different lib ^^
[19:48] <shadeslayer> yeah, typo
[19:48] <shadeslayer> i was looking at the other libs meanwhile
[19:49] <shadeslayer> what i want to know is should i provide symbols for /libkateinterfaces.so.4.6.0
[19:49] <shadeslayer> the previous lib already has symbols in the new packaging
[19:53] <yofel> I would say yes since it's in /usr/lib, not in /usr/lib/kde4 and has a proper SO version. But kate is probably the only app that actually uses that library
[19:54] <yofel> well, and kwrite - which is in the same package too
[19:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: kwrite is in its own package
[20:05] <Quintasan> yofel: Go for it. I don't see why you can't be kubuntu-dev
[20:19] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kate] Rohan Garg * 16 * debian/libkatepartinterfaces4.symbols Add symbols for libkatepartinterfaces4
[20:19] <shadeslayer> ^^ upload ready
[20:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: how difficult are the bindings?
[20:25] <yofel> which ones?
[20:25] <shadeslayer> the ones you packaged
[20:25] <yofel> smoke? someone added license copies to git master, but there's still no copyright information in the files
[20:26] <shadeslayer> no, i mean the packaging itself, apart from the license stuff
[20:26] <shadeslayer> i'm thinking of taking up kimono
[20:27] <shadeslayer> surprise surprise, no licensing info
[20:27] <yofel> well, I took most from debian, perl is easy, but I think Quintasan can tall you stories about mono
[20:27] <yofel> *tell
[20:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: BROTIP: use dh --with cli
[20:28] <Quintasan> That's all I can tell you from that mess
[20:28] <Quintasan> or wait
[20:28] <Quintasan> kimono, I think that should be --with kde
[20:28] <shadeslayer> wtf is cli ? 0.o
[20:29] <Quintasan> Didn't look at the mk
[20:29] <Quintasan> It works (TM)
[20:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i mean, what does it do
[20:30] <Quintasan> Builds mono magic
[20:31] <yofel> although, I would rather do kimono rc2 if I were you
[20:32] <shadeslayer> oh, why so?
[20:32] <yofel> less work? ^^
[20:32] <shadeslayer> ah :P
[20:32] <shadeslayer> i'll fix the licenses at least
[20:32] <yofel> then again, needs sc-dev-latest bump :/
[20:32] <yofel> I'll look at kdelibs as soon as we have most things figured out
[20:33]  * yofel checks what needs fixing
[20:33] <yofel> Quintasan: can you review marble? I would like to have that off the list ^^
[20:33] <Quintasan> Right now?
[20:34] <shadeslayer> kate as well if you can manage it
[20:34] <yofel> nah, can be tomorrow, but soon
[20:34] <yofel> it blocks kdeplasma-addons after all
[20:35] <Quintasan> okay
[20:37] <shadeslayer> ah well then, i'll do kdevelop
[20:38] <yofel> hm
[20:38]  * yofel tries to build marble on armel
[20:38] <yofel> should be done when I wake up tomorrow I guess
[20:38] <shadeslayer> hahah :D
[20:38] <yofel> hey, the VM is SLOW, even on my 2GHz core2
[20:39] <shadeslayer> yeah i know :P
[20:48] <shadeslayer> wtf
[20:48] <shadeslayer> how did this happen http://paste.kde.org/94177
[20:49] <yofel> o.O
[20:49] <shadeslayer> thats after the 4.6.5 upgrades, i noticed nvidia-current was gone
[20:50] <yofel> did not happen on my desktop
[20:51] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/marble] Philip Muškovac * 4 * debian/control fix kde-sc-dev-latest build-dep
[20:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have xorg-edgers enabled?
[20:51] <yofel> no
[20:52] <shadeslayer> hmm, i have that enabled, maybe thats why
[20:53] <shadeslayer> anyways, i'm off to bed, night all :)
[20:53] <yofel> gn
[20:54] <_StefanS_> evening
[20:54] <yofel> pbuilder-satisfydepends-aptitude FTW :D
[20:54] <yofel> good evening _StefanS_
[20:54] <_StefanS_> yofel: hows the kde 4.6.90 doing ? I saw you tested it to be working "more or less"
[20:54] <yofel> being uploaded to oneiric
[20:55] <_StefanS_> yofel: so last stuff it sorted?
[20:55] <_StefanS_> yofel: it/is
[20:55] <yofel> mostly, see the wiki link in the topic. Some stuff still needs fixing, but we're getting somewhere finally
[20:55] <_StefanS_> ah cool
[20:56] <_StefanS_> so I imagine natty pkgs will come afterwards
[20:57] <_StefanS_> uhm, is oneiric somewhat solid at the moment ?
[20:57] <yofel> we'll fix 4.6.90, then do 4.6.95 which should be much less work and then backport that to natty (that's the plan at least)
[20:57] <_StefanS_> ah nice :)
[20:57] <yofel> nope, oneiric is currently totally broken from a KDE POV
[20:57] <_StefanS_> uhm ok, I will hold off a bit
[20:57] <yofel> not all packages are up yet
[20:58] <yofel> _StefanS_: see topic of #ubuntu+1, we'll remove the note when we're done
[20:58] <_StefanS_> yofel: ah thanks
[20:59] <_StefanS_> yofel: its a lot of work I know, how are resources currently on kubuntu, got enough people ?
[21:00] <_StefanS_> yofel: well, sufficient resources I mean, you can always use more :)
[21:01] <yofel> uh, there's enough work for everybody if you want to help ;)
[21:01] <yofel> all in all we're managing, even with jr being absent
[21:02] <yofel> _StefanS_: that it took us till now to get 4.7 done is a good indication that we can always use some more packagers btw. ;)
[21:03] <yofel> k, now let's see how long that armel build is going to take ^^
[21:04] <_StefanS_> yofel: are you building locally ?
[21:04] <yofel> yep
[21:05] <_StefanS_> yofel: ok, I've got a quad in spare if you need something speedy
[21:05] <_StefanS_> yofel: its on a 20mbit line, so it should work ok
[21:07] <yofel> heh, I've got enough CPU power, but this ARM qemu VM can't emulate more than one CPU :/
[21:08] <yofel> so building marble will take a while
[21:08] <_StefanS_> ah I see, damn..
[21:49]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[21:50] <yofel> marble at 40% btw. ^^
[21:51] <Quintasan> yofel: Good night
[21:56] <debfx> Quintasan: just fyi, you've dropped libx11-dev from libqt4-dev's dependencies while merging from debian
[21:56] <debfx> but I think we should just keep it that way and see how much breaks
[21:56] <Quintasan> debfx: I did? Meh.
[22:03] <debfx> imho that dependency is wrong anyway
[22:17]  * Quintasan hits the bed
[22:26] <debfx> apachelogger: lintian complains about: W: mobipocket: desktop-command-not-in-package usr/share/applications/kde4/okularApplication_mobi.desktop okular
[22:26] <debfx> either we need to make it depend on okular or split it into multiple binary packages
[23:08] <valorie> damn, I think I broke the wiki
[23:15] <debfx> ScottK: could you sponsor http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/cmake_2.8.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff (debdiff to cmake in Debian unstable)
[23:20] <ScottK> debfx: Yes.
[23:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: I did kde-wallpapers this morning.  I'll look at the rest of it now.
[23:37] <ScottK> debfx: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.
[23:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: khangman debian/copyright is incomplete (files in the fonts dir aren't mentioned).  Not a reject since the license is in debian/copyright for other reasons.


[22:15] <Night-Hacks>  ive encrypted my home folder while installing
[22:15] <Night-Hacks> now i want to decrypt it to able to see home folder contents via live cd'd
[22:15] <Night-Hacks> any idea ?


[02:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:45] <ducasse> good morning
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: apport isnt installed by default on mint?
[10:55] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: apport isn't installed on any Mint release
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx jeremy31 i had a mint bug on LP saying user had to install apport first for apport-collect
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> handy to know
[10:57] <jeremy31> I don't know why but it might be that there was a time that any bug reported from Mint was closed as invalid in Ubuntu
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: well i talked about that once with the -kernel guys and they said its a thin red line, as some bugs for mint are relevant for ubuntu aswell
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> bug #1905074
[10:59] <jeremy31> Are the 5.8 kernels available in 20.04?
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> so when the (mint) users file against the kernel, they popup in #ubuntu-bugs-announce aswell
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> in mainline jeremy31
[11:25] <jeremy31> That doesn't appear to be a mainline kernel, hwe must already be in the repos, possibly without the linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: oh, there are just higher kernels in the mint repos like that?
[11:26] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: Mint uses Ubuntu repos for kernels
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> !hwe
[11:28] <jeremy31> In Ubuntu you wouldn't see these available until January but Mints Update Manager searches the repos for linux-image packages
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> ah
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> i assume the kernel crew have double profit from both mint and ubuntu fixing the kernel issues eh
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: so what happens if a user uses ubuntu-bug package (something else then kernel) ?
[11:32] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: I don't know.  I doubt ubuntu-bug is even installed
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> would be cool to test after apport is installed, dont think ive noticed other bugs in -announce for mint
[11:49] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: re the bug above; there was no significant change between -28 and -29 (only a single line DKMS change for nvidia)
[11:49] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: my bet is the package containing the extra modules wasn't installed
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> i see
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic groovy
[12:28]  * lotuspsychje runs
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> Fractalis: you can start a topic here if you like
[15:32] <Fractalis> Hello all, i just got a fresh installation of ubuntu (linux mint) and was wondering if i should try using exclusively flatpaks instead of traditional packages, do flatpaks have inherent advantages or performance boost over packages?
[15:32] <daftykins> Mint is not ubuntu
[15:32] <daftykins> it's downstream, doesn't mean it's the same
[15:33] <Fractalis> AFAIK mint is a modification of ubuntu, it still uses the same underlying systems
[15:34] <daftykins> no it's not that minor
[15:34] <jeremy31> Fractalis: go to the Welcome Screen in Mint, click help on the left and then launch chat window
[15:36] <jeremy31> or click on ircs://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-chat
[15:36] <Fractalis> Wasnt aware that LM had its own irc, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
[15:37] <jeremy31> Fractalis: I am a Mint user and I don't use flatpaks
[15:37] <jeremy31> But I don't use snap packages in Ubuntu either
[15:38] <Fractalis> I usually just prefer installing dependencies and packages the traditional way, but i heard good things about flatpak and wanted to know if there was any objective advantages besides just preference
[15:40] <jeremy31> Fractalis: It is just a way to get newer versions of software to the OS since versions in the repos only get bug and security fixes
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> Fractalis: im using snaps on occasion and i see benefits on some software
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> chromium browser for example is now a default snap on ubuntu
[15:44] <Fractalis> Ah okay, that makes sense in those reguards given what snaps and flatpaks actually do. Ty all for feedback :)
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> Fractalis: some software thats not on the repos, could be installed as latest with flat or snaps, so handy in some cases
[15:46] <jeremy31> I think it simplified things for chromium devs as they only have to update one snap rather than each deb for each supported Ubuntu release
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: mint was going to maintain their own chromium ppa now right?
[15:52] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: I don't know if they are.  I think there is an existing PPA
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> think i saw an article passby on that jeremy31
[15:54] <jeremy31> There is chromium in the Mint repos, download size of 70+ MB
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/02/linux_mint_chromium_build/
[15:58] <jeremy31> It takes 6 hours to build chromium from source?
[16:00]  * lotuspsychje isnt gonna try it :p
[16:03] <jeremy31> They are using a Ryzen 9 3900, 128GB RAM, NMVe and it builds in an hour
[16:04] <MrCollins> Is Cockpit a useful utility? Does anyone in here use it and find it helpful?
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> we hear good things about it yeah MrCollins
[16:05] <MrCollins> ok. Thank you.
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> you might find some server users that use and experience it in #ubuntu-server more
[16:06] <MrCollins> oh ok I didnt know that channel existed. I thank you lotuspsychje
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> MrCollins: are you looking for something webbased to manage your server(s) ?
[16:07] <MrCollins> Yes. I am a windows admin who has been dabbling in ubuntu/linux for years but I am taking the full plunge. Using a gui will help me I believe.
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> cool
[16:07] <MrCollins> I decided to install a fileserver for my office in ubuntu instead of buying a whole msft server just for that.
[16:07] <MrCollins> :)
[16:08] <MrCollins> ubuntu server 20.04 all cmd line.
[16:08] <MrCollins> terminal*
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> sounds good MrCollins
[16:08] <MrCollins> thank you lotuspsychje
[16:10] <TJ-> MrCollins: you might want to take a look at Webmin, UserMin, VirtualMin, CloudMin depending on your focus. They're been around and developed for 20 years and are very comprehensive. Also, ignore anyone that says they can cause problems... there were some problems back in 2005 but it keeps getting repeated ad nauseum
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wasnt webmin no longer supported on ubuntu?
[16:11] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: it's supported by upstream and they publish packages directly for Debian and Ubuntu
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> ah i see
[16:11] <TJ-> I've been running it on complex server scenarios for 15+ years
[16:12] <TJ-> and as you know, I do get very complex in my requirements :D
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> yeah lol
[16:13] <MrCollins> TJ-, ok. I will have a look but I think I want to focus on terminal and use the gui as a backup.
[16:13] <MrCollins> What pretell is upstream TJ- ?
[16:14] <TJ-> MrCollins: what I like about the *Min is they directly expose/show what the GUI is going to change in most cases, so you can learn without making huge mistakes or needing to read masses of complex man-pages and docs
[16:14] <MrCollins> My focus is admin the file storage for vpn-samba clients. (win64 vpn users of the file server)
[16:14] <TJ-> MrCollins: upstream is the publisher of webmin/usermin/virtualmin/cloudmin
[16:15] <MrCollins> Ok.
[16:15] <TJ-> webmin has masses of optional modules, inc. for NFS and Samba
[16:15] <MrCollins> I will have a look at that.
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> Fractalis: fresh from the press: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Flatpak-New-Repo-Format
[17:48] <Fractalis> lotuspsychje: Hey thats pretty cool :)


[06:32] <wavm> hello
[06:32] <wavm> may tao po?
[06:33] <Terminus> o/
[06:34] <wavm> tol
[06:34] <wavm> eng ba dito or tagalog?
[06:34] <Terminus> either works.
[06:34] <wavm> can we install freeradius on 12.04?
[06:35] <wavm> noob here
[06:35] <Terminus> i don't see why not. it's in the repo.
[06:35] <wavm> d ko alam pano
[06:35] <wavm> u have guide?
[06:35] <wavm> 12.04 na desktop version hndi server
[06:35] <wavm> pede?
[06:36] <Terminus> sudo aptitude install freeradius
[06:37] <Terminus> for a list of packages you may want: aptitude search '^freeradius'
[06:45] <wavm> wala bang ebook dyan sir?
[06:45] <wavm> freeradius beginers guide
[07:10] <zakame> lolwut


[00:00] <xu-irc66w> i tried installing LMD but it took forever so i closed(scan)
[00:00] <gnrp> xu-irc66w: Can you maybe make a paste of the whole thing in the terminal? Or a screenshot?
[00:00] <xu-irc66w> it is what it is
[00:01] <gnrp> xu-irc66w: Try maybe once `sudo apt install --fix-broken`
[00:02] <xu-irc66w> Well then its just nvrending repeating message
[00:02] <gnrp> which is...?
[00:03] <xu-irc66w> https://dpaste.com/949754B6V
[00:04] <gnrp> ok
[00:04] <gnrp> restart
[00:04] <xu-irc66w> i cant do that either, nor shut down
[00:04] <gnrp> there is apparently some process still running (something you said you closed during installation) that is still holding the lock, and probably waiting for some input from you. You can restart (or kill that process, but restarting might be easier). And then you have to do the `sudo apt install --fix-broken`
[00:04] <gnrp> hu? Why not?
[00:07] <xu-irc20w> sudo apt install --fix-broken?
[00:07] <gnrp> yep
[00:08] <xu-irc20w> Yeah its dun 0 problems
[00:08] <gnrp> ok, then you can try again now to install rkhunter
[00:08] <gnrp> sudo apt install rkhunter
[00:08] <xu-irc20w> I did it yesterday aswell it will just show the same message
[00:09] <gnrp> which is...?
[00:09] <gnrp> ah, sorry, please also do once: `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[00:09] <xu-irc20w> how many times can i install it? shouldnt it say "already installed" or something
[00:10] <xu-irc20w> well the configuration fix again
[00:10] <gnrp> look. I have no clue what you see there. Either you paste the output or we have no clue what is happening.
[00:10] <xu-irc20w> https://dpaste.com/5G2RHVDJU
[00:11] <gnrp> and if you paste the output, paste also the command you were running. The whole thing.
[00:11] <xu-irc20w> -A
[00:11] <xu-irc20w> a*
[00:11] <gnrp> if you run `ps aux | grep 1935` ?
[00:11] <gnrp> also, one-line output you can just paste here, no need for pastebin
[00:13] <xu-irc20w> https://dpaste.com/5FB93X56L
[00:13] <gnrp> did you try again to install rkhunter?
[00:13] <xu-irc20w> "AHA!?"
[00:14] <gnrp> then `sudo kill 1935`
[00:14] <xu-irc20w> nothing
[00:15] <gnrp> yeah, that's good
[00:15] <gnrp> and then try again `sudo apt install --fix-broken`
[00:15] <gnrp> and `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[00:15] <gnrp> and then `sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix`
[00:15] <xu-irc20w> i just ran these we haven't changed anything since last
[00:17] <gnrp> hm, ok
[00:17] <gnrp> can you please take a screenshot of what happens when you try to install rkhunter?
[00:17] <xu-irc20w> https://dpaste.com/CR7PKSDFH
[00:18] <xu-irc20w> running dpkg --info
[00:19] <xu-irc20w> something about a "deb-filename" needed
[00:19] <xu-irc20w> https://dpaste.com/DGD843QEG
[00:21] <gnrp> !screenshot
[00:21] <gnrp> I feel like you could also install nullmailer or so and then go on. But without knowing where the installation of rkhunter stops...
[00:21] <xu-irc20w> The text is what it is, nothing more nothing less
[00:21] <gnrp> anyway, I'm off to bed. Tomorrow I can help if you're online and willing to get help. gn8
[00:22] <xu-irc20w> i dont dear going on my youtube risking losing my channel i build for years with 47 subs
[00:26] <xu-irc20w> N god knows what was in that 332,2 GB 'log' yesterday
[01:37] <xu-irc20w> After getting a log dump of 332,2 GB yestersay, tho have it removed but automaticlly got signed out of every socialmedia platforms, would you sign into it again?
[01:38] <xu-irc20w> or should i stick to the phone for another day hoping gnrp shows up tomorrow alto i basically just woke n will be up for another 8 hours?
[03:04] <xu-irc20w> Can anybody give the name to the offtopic chat, n do u know if the whole Libera.chat will be locked if i get banned in that one?
[03:05] <xu-irc20w> I tend to have tendencies..
[05:19] <xu-irc20w> 😴
[14:25] <vallotti> Hello!  I've been trying to make a startup usb.  I downloaded the .iso image from xubuntu.org  I've used dd, mkusb, and startup disk creator, but the usb never boots.  Reading from parted shows a boot flag, but the reading from fdisk does not.  Yes, my BIOS is set to boot from an external source.
[14:25] <gnrp> vallotti: where did you dd the iso to?
[14:26] <gnrp> to a partition or to the whole usb drive?
[14:35] <vallotti> The whole drive, so the would be sdb.  Should it have been sdbx?  I notice that, once finished, dd leaves three partitions.
[14:39] <gnrp> no, this is correct
[14:40] <gnrp> what kind of computer are you trying to boot from? Isit more recent? Is maybe Secure Boot activated, or only UEFI boot?
[14:41] <vallotti> I've a Sony VAIO, about eleven years old, now.  It's turning into a dinosaur!
[14:41] <gnrp> (or only legacy boot? I actuall yodn't know what you would need)
[14:42] <gnrp> do you maybe have secure boot on that computer?
[14:47] <vallotti> I don't believe so.  This will be my third or fourth install of xubuntu, and I'm not doing anything differently than I've done in the past.
[14:50] <gnrp> ah, it works when it is installed from the hard drive?
[14:59] <vallotti> Well, I do install xubuntu from the usb.  The problem is that the stick I just made doesn't seem to have a partition from which to boot.  What further confounds is that parted sees a bootable partition, but fdisk does not.  The computer agrees with fdisk.  It's also possible that my computer refuses to boot from a gpt partition table.
[15:32] <vallotti> I believe that this is the problem.  As a test, I made a successful startup disk with another distro, arch.  The arch disk has an msdos partition table.  Is there any way to write the dd command so that the usb stick has an msdos partition table?  I've read the man page, but I'm sure there's something I don't understand.
[21:11] <xu-irc20w> hello gnrp did u have möjlighet to help me today :]
[21:18] <gnrp> xu-irc20w: Maybe ;)
[21:19] <xu-irc20w> well where where we=L
[21:19] <xu-irc20w> something about a .deb-filename
[21:19] <xu-irc20w> (missing)
[21:24] <gnrp> Well, that was something entirely different
[21:24] <gnrp> so your final goal is to install rkhunter
[21:24] <gnrp> can you please once again try to install it and then take a screenshot (an image) of where it's stuck?
[21:24] <gnrp> !screenshot
[21:26] <xu-irc20w> postfix is not installed
[21:37] <xu-irc20w> This youtube is rly strange i cant download it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUYzSaAZk1s


[09:35] <Mister_Q> Hey everyone :) according to the wiki I should ask here if I want an ubuntu cloak https://launchpad.net/~misterq
[10:58] <k1l_> Mister_Q: yeah, looks good. now we need the IRCC to wake up and confirm so the staff can set the cloak.
[11:00] <Mister_Q> k1l_no hurry thanks :)
[16:31] <hggdh> staff: can we please have a cloak ubuntu/member/mister_q for Mister_Q
[16:32] <dax> hggdh: underscores don't work, replace with - or strip them
[16:32] <hggdh> ugh
[16:32] <hggdh> Mister_Q: how do you want your cloak? misterq, or mister-q?
[16:54] <Mister_Q> hggdh misterq please :)
[16:56] <hggdh> staff: can we please have a cloak ubuntu/member/misterq for Mister_Q
[17:02] <Unit193> hggdh: e and mniip are on call.
[19:34] <hggdh> Mister_Q: you are all set
[19:42] <Mister_Q> \o/
[19:42] <Mister_Q> thanks hggdh :)


[00:51] <cjwatson> wgrant: Thanks
[00:53]  * cjwatson requests a deployment
[12:35] <cjwatson> wgrant: Thanks for the reviews so far.  I obviously can't actually land git-recipe-model yet, since db-git-recipes needs to go in first and isn't approved.
[12:35] <cjwatson> So I'll just get the rest of the stack proposed today.
[12:35] <wgrant> Yep
[12:35] <wgrant> How much is left?
[12:36] <wgrant> I was waylaid by a ridiculous ISP transparent proxy bug today, so didn't get through them all.
[12:37] <cjwatson> I just proposed browser code to edit existing recipes.  After that I have ~1300 lines to sort out - I think one branch for a bit of BranchTarget/GitNamespace refinement, and one or two more for listing recipes and creating new ones.
[12:37] <wgrant> Oh, not so bad.
[12:38] <cjwatson> Would prefer not to land the last until the buildd stuff's in place, of course.
[12:38] <wgrant> Indeed.
[12:39] <cjwatson> I could add an FF; not sure it's worth it in this case.
[15:33] <cjwatson> wgrant: The recipe series is complete now.
[22:25] <wgrant> cjwatson: Re. Build-Depends-Arch, I'm not sure that we shouldn't use user_defined_fields.
[22:26] <wgrant> I'm not unhappy either way, but the specific fields exist because JSON didn't.
[22:27] <cjwatson> If you think that it's reasonable to special-case certain elements of user_defined_fields, I don't object to reworking things.
[22:28] <wgrant> I have no problem with only displaying things that are interesting to display.
[22:29] <wgrant> The only downside is the inconsistency.
[22:29] <wgrant> vs. the existing fields
[22:30] <cjwatson> Display, and the archivepublisher ordering tweak, though the latter's fairly insignificant.
[22:31] <wgrant> Oh they're not seriously sorted that way are they
[22:31] <cjwatson> It's manual
[22:31] <cjwatson> We could pick out B-[DC]-A from user_defined_fields
[22:32] <wgrant> I personally think it makes sense to do that.
[22:32] <wgrant> We don't win much by having dedicated columns.
[22:32] <wgrant> Unless you consider increased database patch numbers to be a win.
[22:32] <cjwatson> A little cumbersome in lp.archivepublisher.indices, but not horribly.
[22:32] <cjwatson> No, my recent MP history notwithstanding :-)
[22:32] <wgrant> Heh
[22:33] <cjwatson> I will note that upgrade.py breaks when we hit 100.
[22:33] <cjwatson> Might be worth a consolidation at some point ...
[22:33] <cjwatson> (Or fixing the glob)
[22:33] <wgrant> I think the last one was in like 2010.
[22:34] <wgrant> Could get stub to do a fresh dump once your latest patch is out.


[21:44] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #157 is now available:
[21:44] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue157
[23:57] <Feravolo> Hi is anyone here involved with the Full Circle Magazine ?


[19:09] <gsilvapt> Hello all. Should I change this bug status to incomplete? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1710347
[19:10] <gsilvapt> User says it is working now, no package associated (Nautilus is my suspicion)
[19:10] <gsilvapt> s/incomplete/invalid


[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[20:59] <BobJonkman> Hey LoCoTeams: At one time Canonical offered to sponsor certain Ubuntu members for travelling to UDS. Is there an online policy/howto  statement for that?
[21:14] <skellat> BobJonkman: No more in-person UDS, no more sponsored travel to UDS
[21:15] <BobJonkman> skellat: Are there no other in-person meetings of Ubuntu contributors?
[21:16] <skellat> Not generally
[21:16] <skellat> Not project-wide
[21:16] <BobJonkman> Global ones, I mean.  Ubuntu Hours aren't quite a the same level
[21:16] <skellat> There are sprints but those are mostly Canonical employees
[21:17] <skellat> The Community Budget that any person within "Ubuntu Member" group can attempt to tap into is described here: BobJonkman: As for the current Community Budget administered by Canonical
[21:17] <skellat> Oops
[21:17] <skellat> Try here: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[21:17] <BobJonkman> skellat: Thanx!  I was searching through wiki.ubuntu.com
[21:20] <BobJonkman> skellat: Yup, that's the kind of thing I was looking for.
[21:20] <skellat> Yeah


[15:13] <dgroos> Good Morning!
[15:14] <dgroos> Anyone know how to install Java JRE in localapps so i can run programs based on Jave as localapp?
[15:14] <dgroos> Also, I need to install java firefox plugin in localapps.
[15:16] <dgroos> I've gotten nothing useful in an hours worth of googling...
[15:41] <highvoltage> hi dgroos
[15:41] <highvoltage> dgroos: I think you'll have to install firefox and the java plugin as localapps and then run firefox as a localapp
[15:41] <dgroos> Hi highvoltage!
[15:42] <dgroos> OK--I've got firefox installed as localapp--not seen instructions on how to install plugins to localapps...
[15:42] <dgroos> Also...
[15:42] <dgroos> are you saying that JRE won't work in localapp?
[15:43] <highvoltage> dgroos: ok, I think you'll just have to install the java plugin in the ltsp chroot then
[15:43] <highvoltage> dgroos: not 100% sure that it will work, but it should
[15:43] <dgroos> I'm all eyes ;)
[15:48] <dgroos> To install a java plugin, all I have to do is: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install the name of plugin?  I'll try it!
[15:49] <dgroos> I couldn't find how to install a downloaded file (ie the JRE) into a local app.
[16:31] <dgroos> highvoltage: pretty quickly I was able to install the plugins but got this message--been getting it since yesterday--and can't seem to find a solution w/google.  Not even sure if it's a problem:
[16:31] <dgroos> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:31] <dgroos>  /var/cache/apt/archives/hal_0.5.12~rc1+git20090403-0ubuntu1_i386.debE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:32] <highvoltage> dgroos: what follows that?
[16:32] <dgroos> highvoltage: the regular prompt line.
[16:33] <highvoltage> ah, hal might be unhappy because proc isn't mounted
[16:34] <highvoltage> before entering the chroot, do a mount --bind /proc proc
[16:34] <highvoltage> and try installing again
[16:35] <dgroos> highvoltage: Thanks, I'll try...
[16:37] <dgroos> highvoltage: so I entered "bind /proc proc" at the prompt and hit enter.
[16:38] <dgroos> then I re-ran the previous command and got the same error.
[16:42] <highvoltage> dgroos: I remember having problems with hal inside a chroot before, but I remember seeing an error message that helped me figure it out
[16:42] <highvoltage> dgroos: sure there was no hal error message before that dpkg error message?
[16:45] <dgroos> highvoltage: yes there was--I posted it here...http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/209086/
[16:47] <highvoltage> ah now I remember
[16:47] <highvoltage> you have to do a mount --bind /dev dev
[16:47] <highvoltage> and then a mount --bind /dev/pts dev/pts
[16:47] <highvoltage> remember to unmount then again before doing the image rebuild
[16:47] <highvoltage> *them
[16:49] <dgroos> highvoltage: I'll try all this.
[16:54] <dgroos> hmmm... root@gcos2:/home/dgroos# mount --bind /dev dev
[16:54] <dgroos> mount: mount point dev does not exist
[16:55] <dgroos> is this related to the previous "bind /proc proc"  no idea what that did.
[17:20] <dgroos> so...  I've been googling the problem "mount: mount point dev does not exist" and also to figure out what the, "bind /proc proc".   I'm not getting anywhere--further help is appreciated...
[18:55] <bencrisford> !info apcalc
[22:33] <dgroos> I've entered the command: sudo mount --bind /dev dev
[22:34] <dgroos> and gotten this printout: "mount: mount point dev does not exist"  Anyone know what this means and what I need to do to mount it?
[22:38] <Svenstaro> dgroos, do "ls -lha|grep dev" and post the output
[22:38] <Svenstaro> apart from that, you probably shouldn't be doing what you are trying to do
[22:39] <dgroos> The output was... nothing--no text
[22:39] <Svenstaro> then theres no folder dev in your current folder which is right
[22:40] <Svenstaro> you are trying to bind /dev to a non-existing folder ./dev
[22:40] <dgroos> Svenstaro: I'm trying to solve an issue...
[22:40] <Svenstaro> binding /dev is generally not a good idea, what are you exactly trying to do?
[22:41] <dgroos> Here's how I typed it up earlier:
[22:41] <dgroos> dgroos: Errors were encountered while processing:
[22:41] <dgroos> [10:31am] dgroos:  /var/cache/apt/archives/hal_0.5.12~rc1+git20090403-0ubuntu1_i386.debE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:42] <Svenstaro> Oh come on, how can you have so much trouble with apt-get :(
[22:42] <dgroos> Here is some more output from the problem: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/209086/
[22:42] <Svenstaro> do apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean and repeat
[22:43] <Svenstaro> invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "stop" failed.
[22:43] <Svenstaro> invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "stop" failed.
[22:43] <Svenstaro> woops
[22:43] <Svenstaro> Anyway, what I just pasted is the critical part of the error.
[22:44] <Svenstaro> Can you kill X, switch to vt1 and stop hal manually?
[22:44] <dgroos> not sure where my X gun has gone... ;)
[22:45] <Svenstaro> try: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[22:45] <dgroos> seriously, I can only guess at what you mean and don't know how to do it.
[22:45] <Svenstaro> but careful, it kills your session
[22:45] <Svenstaro> when in vt1, do /tc/init.d/hal stop
[22:45] <Svenstaro> and try the upgrade again
[22:46] <dgroos> OK--I'm working on NXclient, but will get off that and go right to the server...
[22:46] <dgroos> and how do I 'switch to vt1'?
[22:47] <Svenstaro> that's the blinking terminal thingie that comes up when you kill X
[22:47] <Svenstaro> this: /etc/init.d/gdm stop kills X
[22:47] <Svenstaro> so be careful not to have any work open
[22:47] <dgroos> right.
[22:49] <dgroos> Did so.  It said, * Stopping GNOME Display Manager...  [OK]
[22:49] <Svenstaro> Yeah, you should be dropped to a terminal now
[22:50] <dgroos> and then went back to the prompt.  I thought it would kill the gui?
[22:50] <Svenstaro> Did it not?
[22:50] <dgroos> No
[22:50] <Svenstaro> Prompt?
[22:51] <dgroos> Everything looks the same as before I entered the command.
[22:52] <Svenstaro> sudo killall gdm
[22:52] <dgroos> hmmm.... I didn't use sudo...
[22:52] <Svenstaro> press ctrl+alt+f1
[22:52] <Svenstaro> login as root
[22:52] <Svenstaro> do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[22:53] <dgroos> I don't have root account set up--I typed root and my admin password but said login incorrect.
[22:54] <Svenstaro> well just login normally
[22:54] <dgroos> that is, I don't know root password...
[22:54] <Svenstaro> then type sudo -i
[22:54] <Svenstaro> and then do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[22:55] <dgroos> In the terminal, right?  how do I get out of the ctrl+alt+f1?
[22:56] <Svenstaro> you get back using ctrl+alt+f7 but you want to do the stuff I just told you in vt1
[22:58] <dgroos> OK did and says, OK
[22:58] <Svenstaro> good, not stop hal likewise
[22:58] <Svenstaro> now*
[23:00] <dgroos> so... I type "hal" where I had previously typed "gdm" in the previous command?
[23:00] <dgroos> Oh I see above...
[23:02] <dgroos> I typed: /tc/init.d/hal stop and it says, "No such file or directory".
[23:02] <Svenstaro> Hang on, is that normal in Ubuntu?
[23:02] <Svenstaro> Can anybody else confirm?
[23:04] <Svenstaro> #ubuntu confirmed it
[23:04] <Svenstaro> You don't have that file and it's kind of bad
[23:04] <Svenstaro> It takes care of starting/stopping HAL which is important for periphal
[23:04] <dgroos> ls /    reveals nothing called "tc" at root level
[23:04] <Svenstaro> peripherals*
[23:04] <Svenstaro> tc?
[23:04] <Svenstaro> huh
[23:05] <dgroos> member:identifier:svenstaro when in vt1, do /tc/init.d/hal stop
[23:05] <dgroos> did you not mean tc?
[23:06] <Svenstaro> I meant etc, of course /etc/init.d/hal stop
[23:06] <dgroos> :) got it!
[23:06] <Svenstaro> Now try upgrading
[23:09] <dgroos> Interesting!  I updated and upgraded and it said 0000 on upgraded, newly installed, removed, not upgraded.  This is good?
[23:10] <Svenstaro> 0000?
[23:10] <Svenstaro> That means it failed
[23:10] <Svenstaro> do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and post results
[23:11] <dgroos> Sorry. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, 0 not upgraded
[23:13] <Svenstaro> Those are the results of
[23:13] <Svenstaro> do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and post results ?
[23:13] <dgroos> OK did it and said: Reading package lists... Done  then it says...
[23:14] <dgroos> The program 'apt' can be found in the following packages: *openjdk-6-jdk  * sun-java5-jdk  * sun java6-jdk  and then it says...
[23:15] <dgroos> Try: sudo apt-get install <select package> then...
[23:15] <Svenstaro> wait what
[23:15] <dgroos> -bash: apt: command not found
[23:15] <Svenstaro> you made a typo
[23:15] <Svenstaro> do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[23:17] <dgroos> OK... this time it said: "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied) then on next line...
[23:18] <dgroos> E: Unable to lock the administration direcotry (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[23:18] <Svenstaro> well, ARE you root?
[23:18] <dgroos> I'm sudo...
[23:19] <Svenstaro> well delete the lock
[23:19] <Svenstaro> rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[23:19] <dgroos> Actually, I just sudo su so now I'm root.  shall I repeat the update/upgrade?
[23:20] <Svenstaro> sudo su is not a good idea
[23:20] <Svenstaro> sudo -i is better
[23:21] <dgroos> I had tried that earlier and it didn't work--said didn't know the command i or something.
[23:22] <dgroos> Anyway, I did the sudo su thing, did update/upgrade and again said there was 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded...
[23:22] <Svenstaro> So there was nothing to upgrade.
[23:23] <dgroos> right... so it seems like the stuff you had me do earlier corrected things?  I'll go back to the gui and try to carry on and see if I get the hal complaint again.  right?
[23:24] <Svenstaro> Yeah
[23:24] <Svenstaro> Actually, better you reboot right now.
[23:24] <Svenstaro> Will fix things up faster.
[23:24] <dgroos> cool!
[23:26] <dgroos> Thanks for your help!!!  And, I'm looking forward to our next edubuntu meeting where the issues you brought up in your last e-mail to the devel list.
[23:27] <dgroos> oops--...we can discuss...
[23:36] <dgroos> looks like I spoke too soon...  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/209351/
[23:36] <Svenstaro> duh. youve been doing that in the chroot all the time?
[23:36] <dgroos> ...though certainly thanks for your help.
[23:37] <Svenstaro> you kind of should have told me
[23:37] <dgroos> right.
[23:37] <dgroos> Indeed.
[23:41] <Svenstaro> Try this: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[23:41] <Svenstaro> sudo -i
[23:41] <Svenstaro> apt-get upgrade
[23:42] <dgroos> did the first line and it put me in as root--skip the second line?
[23:43] <Svenstaro> yep
[23:44] <dgroos> same results as in pastebin, I believe.
[23:44] <Svenstaro> ok, still within the chroot, do /etc/init.d/hal stop
[23:45] <dgroos> ok did so--went right back to the prompt...
[23:46] <Svenstaro> Huh, what happened?
[23:46] <Svenstaro> Doing that command *within* the chroot should not do anything except give "hal stopped" or somethin
[23:47] <dgroos> I typed this: root@gcos2:~# /etc/init.d/hal stop
[23:47] <dgroos> And it said this: root@gcos2:~#
[23:48] <Svenstaro> Looks like it worked.
[23:48] <dgroos> OK did the upgrade--seems to be the same output.
[23:49] <Svenstaro> No idea, then. I suggest you google for "chroot hal upgrade" or something like that.
[23:52] <dgroos> I've been doing that and will continue--thanks so much for your effort and sorry I hadn't been explicit about working in the chroot.  I've got 1 more thought, might be related...
[23:53] <dgroos> Starting yesterday, when I open up the system log viewer it started to say:
[23:54] <dgroos> test...
[23:55] <dgroos> hmmm... 2 entries went to etherspace...
[23:55] <dgroos> It said: /var/log/btmp  You don't have enough permissions to read the file.
[23:57] <dgroos> This warning panel was strange.  I just hit the Close button and the message panel went away, but I could see the logs anyway.
[23:59] <Svenstaro> You can't normally view system logs as a normal user.


[02:40] <micah2> I'm trying to run Nicholas Skaggs' tutorial on Autopilot and the tests never run for me. Anyone know if there is something wrong with the tutorial or autopilot?
[02:41] <micah2> It might be operator error on my part, but I've tried follow his instructions, and they aren't too involved....
[05:59] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Application Indicator for blog | http://askubuntu.com/q/326358
[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[08:53] <Guest42887> Good morning all, happy Paperback Book day! :-D
[08:59] <Mirv> kalikiana: more u1db-qt stuff https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/u1db-qt/fix_copyright_add_bootstrap_wrapandsort/+merge/177533
[09:07] <kalikiana> Mirv: nice stuff. I notice that yahoo stuff is needed for the uitk as well, it has the same file
[09:08] <Mirv> kalikiana: oh, a good catch, I'll handle addition of that
[09:09] <kalikiana> cool
[09:24] <Laney> how do I detect whether there's a data connection? Is asking NM enough?
[09:30] <Laney> same question for location detection
[09:41] <Laney> I guess the latter will be QtLocation when that's implemented
[09:45] <Mirv> Laney: I'm no expert, but I do know that the data connection is enabled via NM, so asking it should then sound like enough
[09:46] <Laney> Mirv: I think I'll implement that for now
[09:59] <oSoMoN> gusch: would you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/crash-history-db/+merge/177552 ?
[09:59] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok
[10:00] <oSoMoN> thanks
[10:01] <AskUbuntu> How long does it take for a proprietary software to get reviewed to Ubuntu | http://askubuntu.com/q/326432
[10:24] <gusch> oSoMoN: approved
[10:25] <oSoMoN> gusch: thanks!
[11:22] <om26er> gusch, ping
[11:25] <gusch> om26er: pong
[11:26] <om26er> gusch, did you see Bill's email
[11:26] <om26er> gusch, from the logs it seems that's an autopilot issue
[11:26] <gusch> om26er: yes - for me it looks like the app crashed, or the connection got lost
[11:26] <gusch> om26er: I'd say the same - rather loosing the connection, and an autopilot issue
[11:27] <gusch> om26er: but I have no further idea - was hoping you would have ...
[11:27] <om26er> gusch, I don't know much further, tried pinging thomi but he may not be online
[11:27] <om26er> we are re-running those tests and thing could be back to normal
[11:28] <gusch> om26er bfiller ok - so please continue to ping thomi and find the issue - thx
[11:28] <bfiller> om26er: in meeting with thomi now
[12:59] <gusch> nerochiaro: approved (and restarted jenkins)
[12:59] <nerochiaro> gusch: thanks
[13:29] <nerochiaro> gusch: oSoMoN: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-zoom-toolbar-margins/+merge/177589 one more bugfix
[13:33] <gusch> nerochiaro: ok
[13:33] <nerochiaro> gusch: do you know how to launch the app from a shell ? i used to be able to do it but now it complains that it can't find the display anymore
[13:34] <gusch> nerochiaro: do you use --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/application/camera-app.desktop ?
[13:37] <gusch> nerochiaro: approved
[13:40] <nerochiaro> gusch: yes
[13:40] <nerochiaro> gusch: i use that cmd line
[13:40] <gusch> nerochiaro: and you are running as user phablet?
[13:41] <nerochiaro> gusch: ah no, root, the default when you log in. good catch
[13:42] <om26er> oSoMoN, hey
[13:45] <oSoMoN> om26er: hey
[13:45] <om26er> oSoMoN, can you review this https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/webbrowser-app/improve_chrome_reveal_logic/+merge/177593
[13:46] <om26er> oSoMoN, there was a failure in utah where it was not able to reveal the chrome due to some reason, I have simplified the chrome reveal logic and also added a retry if the chrome is not revealed with the first attempt
[13:47] <om26er> I will create another branch to replace pointing_device.move() and click() into  click_object()
[13:48] <oSoMoN> om26er: I don’t think retrying is a good idea, it will only hide bugs, not help resolve them
[13:49] <om26er> oSoMoN, I can revert the last commit, if you say
[13:49] <oSoMoN> om26er: yes please
[13:50] <om26er> oSoMoN, done
[14:08] <oSoMoN> om26er: I added a couple of comments to your MR
[15:05] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu - phone OS | http://askubuntu.com/q/326545
[15:06] <om26er> oSoMoN, fixed everything per your suggestion
[15:21] <oSoMoN> om26er: I thought you were going to address the click_object() changes in a separate branch?
[15:22] <om26er> oSoMoN, yes, but it was simple enough so I did that in this one
[15:23] <om26er> oSoMoN, its not unrelated to previous work in the branch as that is also cleaning up the code
[15:24] <oSoMoN> om26er: yeah… I would have preferred to have that in 2 separate branches, but now that it’s done let’s not waste time splitting the changes
[15:24] <om26er> oSoMoN, thanks
[15:45] <wellsb> How do I register a cpp class in QML?  I know I need to use qmlregistertype, i just don't know where i need to put that line
[15:49] <timp> wellsb: I think the cleanest way to do it is to create one class that extends QQmlExtensionPlugin, and load all the classes that you like to expose to QML from there.
[15:49] <timp> wellsb: see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/modules/Ubuntu/Components/plugin/plugin.h and
[15:49] <timp> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/modules/Ubuntu/Components/plugin/plugin.cpp as example
[16:20] <mhall119> seb128: have you had a chance to package the new poppler today?
[16:20] <seb128> mhall119, hey, you need to subscribe to saucy-changes ;-)
[16:21] <seb128> mhall119, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/0.24.0-0ubuntu1
[16:21] <mhall119> I'm subscribed to too much already
[16:21] <mhall119> seb128: will it build for Raring, Quantal and Precise?
[16:22] <mhall119> if so, I'd like to put it in the SDK or Core Apps PPAs for those releases
[16:22] <seb128> mhall119, no
[16:23] <mhall119> what's blocking that?
[16:23] <seb128> mhall119, well, it would probably build, but they changed apis in libpoppler (like every cycle), it's going to break cups, latex, xpdf, etc etc
[16:23] <mhall119> oh, ew
[16:23] <seb128> so you need to port all those apps to the new api
[16:23] <seb128> we do that in saucy
[16:23] <seb128> but I'm not going to backport that stack of apps to older series
[16:23] <mhall119> ok
[16:55] <AskUbuntu> Can i create ubuntu desktop apps in java? | http://askubuntu.com/q/326588
[18:23] <AskUbuntu> How to get QML syntax highlighting in gedit? | http://askubuntu.com/q/326624
[21:18] <dudethatlovestoh> Hello there I am tring to build unity8 and am having some issues.  How to tell cmake or ninji to install into /usr  I have tried mkdir build cd build ; cmake -DCAME_INSTALLPREFIX:PATH=/usr  but it is not installing all the libs what gives broseph ?
[21:19] <dudethatlovestoh> sorry I missed a _ in ther e
[21:19] <dudethatlovestoh> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=/usr
[21:20] <dudethatlovestoh> who knew that a day would turn into a week lol
[21:21] <dudethatlovestoh> There are 168 issues with building this
[21:22] <dudethatlovestoh> that is what qtcreator says
[21:22] <dudethatlovestoh> but back to the 1st question why is it not installing to where I tell it to ?
[21:23] <dudethatlovestoh> I guess I could knife around with some ninjia's
[22:11] <dudethatlovestoh> we all know that we can not make anomous struts but people still do WTEF


[13:54] <nuclearbob> bdmurray: I'm looking at your comments on the upgrade bug. Is there a way to call the non-interactive upgrader with the excepthook disabled so we can get the real error in the tests?
[14:38] <bdmurray> nuclearbob: No, but I'll think about that.
[14:40] <clivejo> hi folks, is there anyone here could give advice on a package with renamed source?
[17:43] <bdmurray> nuclearbob: Is it causing an issue only when upgrading to yakkety?
[18:02] <nuclearbob> bdmurray: yes, older releases are fine
[18:07] <bdmurray> nuclearbob: cool
[19:30] <bdmurray> nuclearbob: there's a new ubuntu-release-upgrader moving into yakkety
[20:29] <nuclearbob> bdmurray: yay! I'll keep an eye on the tests and let you know if the problem doesn't go away
[20:29] <nuclearbob> bdmurray: thanks!
[20:32] <bdmurray> nuclearbob: I'm more interested in new problems upgrading! ;-)
[20:32] <nuclearbob> bdmurray: I'll definitely let you know if I see any of those, but most things are going really well :)