[12:09] <cbx333> hi pygi
[12:09] <pygi> hey cbx333
[12:09] <cbx333> https://launchpad.net/products/gisomount
[12:09] <cbx33> take a look
[12:09] <cbx33> thanks to you I got started in python....me and LaserJock are working on it :D
[12:09] <pygi> cbx33, oki, if you say so
[12:10] <pygi> o joy, my fault again :P
[12:10] <cbx33> I wanted to thank you for my assignments....
[12:10] <cbx33> they got me started in python
[12:10] <pygi> heh, no need to thank me :)
[12:11] <cbx33> of course there is :D
[12:11] <cbx33> brb
[12:12] <pygi> cbx33, there is a release already ? :P
[12:16] <pygi> ergh, whats happening with bzr mirroring? :-/
[12:21] <cbx33> pygi, it's because it's using knits and not weaves apprently
[12:21] <pygi> cbx33, ah
[12:21] <cbx33> new vs old format
[12:21] <pygi> they should fix that :P
[12:21] <cbx33> apparently they will ina a few days
[12:21] <cbx33> knits is significaly faster and smaller
[12:22] <pygi> cbx33, gimme package of gisomount? :)
[12:22] <pygi> I see it's already working :P
[12:22] <cbx33> of course
[12:23] <cbx33> you just have to create the /media/vcdrom1 - /media/vcdrom5 dirs manually
[12:23] <pygi> cbx33, that no good :)
[12:23] <cbx33> it will do that automatically soon
[12:23] <pygi> application has to do it :P
[12:23] <cbx33> well, I was thinking it should be done in packaging
[12:23] <cbx33> but LaserJock and I are discussing the best way to implement it
[12:23] <pygi> btw. congrats on your first python project :)
[12:24] <cbx33> thank you
[12:25] <pygi> cbx33, :)
[12:44] <Burgundavia> hey Amaranth, read the scroll back for ogra and I speaking about your soc project
[02:40] <cbx33> nn #edubuntu
[03:06] <bddebian> Hello
[05:56] <jeffwaddell> Hello??
[05:59] <bit_doidao> hello all! i have some little child, and would like to create something like a user, with all stuffs that edubuntu provide us. how can i dow it?
[05:59] <bit_doidao> im using ubuntu dapper right know
[06:00] <bit_doidao> just apt-get install edubuntu-desktop?
[06:01] <jeffwaddell> I'm not sure, about dapper as I don't have it in front of me, however it seems that you are just asking how to create a user?
[06:02] <bddebian> bit_doidao: I believe that should work
[06:02] <bit_doidao> jeffwaddell, not only a user, a user with all the edubuntu artwork, programs etc, so when my child ask me to use the computer, im gonna give him the edubuntu user and password ;)
[06:04] <jeffwaddell> bit_doidao...ahh I see.  I believe that you will need to do the apt-get mentioned and also create a user...
[06:05] <bit_doidao> yes, im installing anyway. lets see what happens. ill have to create the user and put the artwork and edit the icons, right?
[06:07] <jeffwaddell> I don't know if the edubuntu packages give you the option of doing that when creating the user or not...
[06:08] <bit_doidao> yeah. im making some contacts, and i am planning to install the edubuntu on a school near my company
[06:09] <bit_doidao> i live in brazil. do you know some tutorials to install edubuntu for this situation? (students will have login and password)
[06:11] <jeffwaddell> have you looked at the cookbook yet?
[06:13] <bit_doidao> just going into wikis...
[06:17] <bit_doidao> only have infos about ltsp server
[06:21] <jeffwaddell> looks like it's not there or not existing yet...I'll have to look some more..
[06:23] <bit_doidao> hummm, im gonna study this. this school, near my company, have good hardware, so, ill thiking about a samba controlling the /homes and auth, and a way to create users for basic and advanced, basic will be for very little childs, and advanced for 12+
[06:24] <jeffwaddell> perhaps you could document your process as you go through it so we can see what needs to be clearer
[06:25] <bit_doidao> jeffwaddell, certainly im gonna do that!
[06:25] <jeffwaddell> awesome
[06:26] <bit_doidao> tomorrow im gonna contact the lady from this school again and confirm the installation. but first im gonna read some samba tutorials on how to do it, if i have troubles, im going right here :P
[06:27] <jeffwaddell> hopefully you will find help here...you are welcome to email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you need to
[06:28] <bit_doidao> owk, bookmarked!
[06:28] <bit_doidao> you know this stuff about schooltool too?
[06:29] <bit_doidao> ok, i need to go. see you!
[06:30] <jeffwaddell> bye
[06:32] <jeffwaddell> need to go myself...later
[08:50] <lucasvo> omg
[08:50] <lucasvo> my pc just killed nautilus :(
[08:50] <lucasvo> it is using too much memory
[08:50] <lucasvo> something went wrong in last update
[10:26] <lucasvo> where is the edubuntu testing page?
[10:27] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i think it's https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu?highlight=%28testing%29
[10:37] <lucasvo>  ty highvoltage
[10:48] <cbx33> good morning #edubuntu
[10:48] <highvoltage> good morning cbx33
[10:49] <cbx33> hey highvoltage howz it going
[10:49] <highvoltage> i think it's going well.
[10:50] <cbx33> good good
[10:52] <highvoltage> you good too?
[10:53] <pygi> hey cbx33, highvoltage
[10:53] <lucasvo> ah today is a stupid day
[10:54] <lucasvo> it's rainy
[10:54] <lucasvo> my backup didn't work
[10:54] <lucasvo> my system crashed
[10:54] <Burgundavia> ogra: can you take a look at this very wierd comment? http://trends.newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=56487&cid=127031
[10:54] <Burgundavia> ogra: the "didn't experience.." one, point 2 and 3
[10:54] <cbx33> yeh I'm really good
[10:59] <lucasvo> at least the edubuntu install went fine :)
[11:04] <cbx33> lucasvo, today is a stupid day here too
[11:04] <cbx33> I have to reinstall a windows pc
[11:04] <cbx33> blleeughh
[11:07] <lucasvo> I hate doing backups
[11:07] <lucasvo> I think I'll just buy swiss vault
[11:09] <pygi> lucasvo, whats wrong with backups? :)
[11:10] <lucasvo> pygi: I always do something wrong
[11:10] <cbx33> ping ogra
[11:10] <pygi> lucasvo, you'll have a rocking backup solution (and distaster recovery system) ready for edgy, so why worries :)
[11:10] <pygi> disaster*
[11:11] <lucasvo> pygi: cool
[11:12] <pygi> lucasvo, that is, I hope at least you'll have it :P
[11:50] <ogra> lucasvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current at the bottom
[11:50] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/744435
[11:51] <lucasvo> totem crsheds when I load movies I made with istanbul
[11:52] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[11:52] <cbx33> hi ogra
[11:52] <cbx33> got time for a python quickie....
[11:52] <cbx33> in your excellent code
[11:52] <ogra> lucasvo, take byzanz, istanbul is known to have issues
[11:52] <cbx33> how can i get it so when i try to close the gtk object...ie with destroy.....it pops up a message box first
[11:53] <cbx33> and depending on that output it decides whether to destroy it or not
[11:53] <cbx33> kinda like a are you sure...yes/no
[12:09] <lucasvo> lol editing a GIF with 1000 frames is fun in gimp
[12:09] <pygi> lucasvo, hehe :)
[12:12] <cbx33> yikes :p
[12:15] <lucasvo> I needed to delete 500frames
[12:15] <lucasvo> not being able to delete multiple layers in gimp is a little drwawback
[12:15] <lucasvo> :)
[12:17] <ogra> implement it then :P
[12:17] <ogra> its opensource ;)
[12:17] <ogra> cbx33, call a function that first shows the popup instead of destroy ...
[12:25] <lucasvo> well, I think it was the work worth
[12:28] <cbx33> ogra, that's the part I'm having trouble with
[12:29] <cbx33> in glade, what is the signal for the X button being clicked on.
[12:29] <cbx33> i can't use destroy as the handler.
[12:30] <ogra> create a new function and call that from the signal handler
[12:30] <cbx33> so like instead of -----    destroy - on_exit
[12:31] <cbx33> I would create a new gtk window signal?
[12:31] <cbx33> that's the problem i have, the signal that triggers the funtion
[12:31] <cbx33> i can write the function no problem, but it's how it's called I'm having trouble with
[12:31] <cbx33> all the programs I've seen use the destroy signal
[12:32] <cbx33> there seems to be no close button in the gtk window signals list
[12:33] <cbx33> brb
[12:34] <ogra> do it in python, not in glade
[12:34] <ogra> (i.e. dont use the glade handler, look at my code (doesnt matter which app) how i use destroy)
[12:40] <cbx33> ok
[12:40] <cbx33> i tried that...:p - it said there wasn't a close_button property
[12:40] <cbx33> but I'll look at it again
[12:40] <cbx33> thanx ogra
[01:02] <cbx33> w00t I got it ogra
[01:10] <pygi> congrats cbx33
[01:11] <cbx33> :D
[01:12] <awdrg321> hi guys, long time since my last visit to any irc channel...
[01:12] <awdrg321> anyway good work on the edubuntu
[01:13] <awdrg321> i have 3 problems that you might be able to help...
[01:13] <cbx33> awdrg321, shoot
[01:14] <awdrg321> i burnd a copy to my little brother (10yo)
[01:14] <awdrg321> so he will get to know linux
[01:14] <cbx33> nice
[01:14] <awdrg321> and he keeps calling me from downsterss
[01:15] <awdrg321> is there anyway to set the vnc working on default on the liveCD
[01:15] <awdrg321> like mastering...
[01:15] <cbx33> awdrg321, probably yes
[01:15] <cbx33> but you'd have to remove some components
[01:15] <cbx33> as the cd is pretty cramped
[01:16] <awdrg321> the remote desktop is already there its just dont working on startup by default ( for security i guess )
[01:17] <cbx33> yes i would imagine so
[01:17] <cbx33> ogra, would know about that one
[01:17] <cbx33> so you just want it enabled by default?
[01:18] <awdrg321> yes
[01:18] <cbx33> I'm sure it's possible. I've not remastered an ubuntu based cd
[01:18] <cbx33> but I have remastered knoppix...
[01:18] <cbx33> there is a howto on the wiki.
[01:18] <cbx33> but there may be an easier option, ogra any ideas here?
[01:18] <cbx33> awdrg321, what's the next question
[01:19] <awdrg321> the nest 2... :)
[01:19] <pygi> cbx33, the howto on wiki is outdated
[01:19] <cbx33> pygi, is it?
[01:19] <pygi> cbx33, yup
[01:19] <awdrg321> first i cant seems to upload anything from firefox (webmail and etc')
[01:19] <cbx33> pygi, do we have an updated one
[01:20] <pygi> cbx33, no :-/
[01:20] <cbx33> sheesh
[01:20] <cbx33> man i need that if devenix is going to go to ubuntu
[01:20] <pygi> awdrg321, hm, slow connection?
[01:20] <cbx33> awdrg321, what happens
[01:20] <awdrg321> no, no...
[01:20] <cbx33> proxy issue?
[01:21] <awdrg321> something very wierd
[01:21] <cbx33> ok
[01:21] <cbx33> tell us
[01:21] <pygi> cbx33, o joy, we have to fly on blind here :P
[01:21] <cbx33> ;)
[01:21] <ogra> awdrg321, its a gconf key, look for /desktop/gnome/remote_access there you can set the defaults for vino (gnomes built in vnc server)
[01:21] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[01:22] <cbx33> do you have details on howto remaster a dapper live cd?
[01:22] <awdrg321> i went on adding  file in gmail and it just wont upload it...
[01:22] <awdrg321> thank ogra....
[01:23] <pygi> awdrg321, that might happen because of number of reasons :-/
[01:23] <awdrg321> i know...
[01:23] <awdrg321> and its frustrating because im new to thius and i cant solve it
[01:23] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:24] <pygi> awdrg321, what file type are you trying to upload?
[01:24] <pygi> gmail doesnt allow some filetypes
[01:24] <awdrg321> i know... so i tried it with a differnt webmail...
[01:24] <awdrg321> and nothing....
[01:25] <awdrg321> BTW it was gif so i dont think thats the problem...
[01:25] <pygi> what connection do you have and what are you trying to upload?
[01:25] <cbx33> hmmm...odd
[01:25] <pygi> *filesize*
[01:25] <pygi> cbx33, indeed
[01:25] <awdrg321> DSL via router
[01:25] <cbx33> what about other outbound traffic
[01:25] <cbx33> can you ftp?
[01:26] <awdrg321> didnt try that....
[01:26] <awdrg321> but i can go and give it try...
[01:27] <awdrg321> just a sec
[01:30] <awdrg321> well.... never mind... its working now...
[01:31] <awdrg321> the last thing, how can help on translating to hebrew?
[01:37] <ogra> awdrg321, have a look at launchpad.net
[01:37] <ogra> (for translations that is)
[01:39] <awdrg321> thanks...
[02:22] <mhz> cbx33: hi there
[02:22] <mhz> cbx33: r u there?
[02:25] <juliux> hi highvoltage
[02:25] <mhz> hi juliux
[02:26] <mhz> hi highvoltage
[02:26] <highvoltage> hi juliux
[02:26] <highvoltage> hey mon
[02:27] <mhz> highvoltage: IMHO, 'Using Edubuntu' at www.e.o is not as complete as ESA in wiki.e.o
[02:27] <highvoltage> mhz: cbx33 edited it
[02:28] <highvoltage> mhz: i haven't compared the two yet, to be honest
[02:28] <mhz> and, I also have mhz AT ubuntu DOT com (so we all look more similar)
[02:28] <highvoltage> mhz: although, it htink the wiki one is meant to extract from from printed pamphlets, etc
[02:28] <highvoltage> while the edubuntu.org one is web formatted, from what i understand
[02:29] <mhz> highvoltage: could you change tecnocimiento DOT cl for ubuntu DOT com, please? This way also, people wont be telling "oh, he is promoting tecnocimiento"
[02:29] <highvoltage> mhz: then they'll say "oh, he is promoting ubuntu"!
[02:30] <highvoltage> and even if they say you're promoting it? so what?
[02:30] <highvoltage> where do you want me to change it, btw?
[02:30] <cbx33> esa at wiki will be dropped hortly
[02:30] <cbx33> shotly
[02:30] <cbx33> brb
[02:30] <mhz> highvoltage: okis, I'll pass my observations to cbx33, because the site tells people they can get help in their own language but it does not specify where :)
[02:30] <highvoltage> hmmm
[02:30] <cbx33> mhz mail me please....then ican work on it latre
[02:30] <mhz> cbx33: sur, man, no prob.
[02:31] <mhz> highvoltage: http://www.edubuntu.org/Community
[02:31] <mhz> Spanish: MauricioHernandez<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:31] <highvoltage> mhz: ok
[02:31] <mhz> highvoltage: thx.
[02:32] <mhz> BTW, did I mention the website looks cool?
[02:32] <mhz> it does!
[02:33] <highvoltage> heh. thanks. it still needs a lot of work, but i'm also quite satisfied with how far its come.
[02:33] <highvoltage> mhz: changed
[02:34] <mhz> highvoltage: roger that ;)
[02:35] <mhz> highvoltage: I will translate the whole site content into spanish. Any one else doing it? (know of?)
[02:36] <mhz> highvoltage: and... will drupal let us identify browser lang. settings?
[02:37] <highvoltage> mhz_breakfast: will talk to you about that later, i have an idea, but need to run too
[02:37] <mhz_breakfast> okis
[02:37] <mhz_breakfast> c ya
[02:43] <highvoltage> ogra: on the daily build for xubunut, the ltsp chroot fails, i mentioned it in #xubuntu, but they say it's not a critical bug, so i'll just file a bug in launchpad for that so long
[02:44] <ogra> i bet its the same prob we have with expert install
[02:44] <ogra> ill do one during the next tests
[02:45] <ogra> to see where/why its failing
[02:47] <highvoltage> cool, thanks! :)
[02:47] <highvoltage> ogra: it's right that i file a bug? or should i leave that to you?
[02:48] <ogra> no, file it please
[02:48] <ogra> also could someone file a bug about the missing cursor theme in edubuntu, so i have something to point mdz at ?
[02:48] <highvoltage> ok. any logs that i should attach?
[02:48] <highvoltage> ok, i can do that while i'm there
[02:48] <ogra> /var/log/installer/messages if it contains anything
[02:59] <highvoltage> ogra: what would the package be called for the gnome-cursor-theme?
[02:59] <ogra> edubuntu-artwork
[02:59] <ogra> "missing the cursor theme" or something
[02:59] <highvoltage> ok
[03:00] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[03:01] <ogra> hey jsgAWAY
[03:28] <omega7> i was able to use the netboot directory on the cd to install ubuntu using pxe.  is that possible for edubuntu?  I have an old laptop without a cdrom drive.
[03:29] <ogra> nope, there is no edubuntu netboot installer
[03:29] <ogra> you can install ubuntu and install the edubuntu metapackages on top (will need some manual work to set up ltsp if you want that)
[03:31] <omega7> alright
[03:31] <omega7> thx
[03:31] <spacey> highvoltage: ping
[03:37] <pygi> jsgotangco, poke :)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:38] <pygi> you have time?
[03:38] <pygi> we need to discuss your students work :)
[03:38] <highvoltage> spacey: pingback
[03:38] <jsgotangco> pygi: gimme an hour if you could, just finishing up some code (just read JaneW email as well)
[03:39] <pygi> jsgotangco, oki, no problem :)
[03:39] <spacey> highvoltage: how do you link from one page to another within drupal?
[03:39] <jsgotangco> a URL
[03:40] <spacey> whole URL? or relative?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> a relative should work
[03:40] <spacey> i figured drupal had something special like wiki's have
[03:40] <pygi> spacey, will you finish your chapters/articles in like 6 hours, or should I write them?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> well i think the system was configured with modrewerite
[03:41] <highvoltage> spacey: i link to relative url usually
[03:41] <spacey> pygi: i have no real idea what to write for the remaining chapters
[03:42] <pygi> spacey, ah,ok, I'll write it
[03:42] <spacey> i guess you can scrap the security chapter
[03:42] <spacey> it will be very incomplete in any case
[03:43] <spacey> or too difficult
[03:43] <pygi> spacey, no worries, me and HedgeMage will finish all
[03:43] <spacey> pygi: what would you put int he security chap?
[03:44] <pygi> spacey, I am not sure, but I'll think of something
[03:44] <pygi> tunneling through SSH and such
[03:44] <spacey> pygi: like i said you can also decide to scrap it
[03:44] <spacey> pygi: i don't think thats really useful for setting up edubuntu
[03:45] <spacey> pygi: i can create a spare hour today for the cookbook, if you have some chapters which you would like me to proofread
[03:45] <pygi> spacey, anything you could proofread is fine
[03:45] <pygi> which is up ATM
[03:46] <spacey> ok
[03:46] <spacey> will do
[03:52] <spacey> highvoltage: how did you get rid of that login box?
[03:59] <highvoltage> spacey: i think it's at the 'blocks' configuration
[04:03] <mhz_breakfast> re
[04:04] <spacey> highvoltage: that thing that you have to pass a variable to show it? else i don't know how to login
[04:06] <mhz> highvoltage: r u back?
[04:07] <highvoltage> spacey: you can also visit login by going to url /user
[04:07] <highvoltage> mhz: kind of :)
[04:07] <mhz> highvoltage: when would you be?
[04:08] <highvoltage> mhz: ~in an hour or so, when i leave work. things are a bit hectic at work today
[04:09] <mhz> no worries, highvoltage, my mon. I can wait. Good luck at work stuff.
[04:10] <mhz> ping me when you can talk about translations for edubuntu ;)
[04:11] <jsgotangco> pygi: pong
[04:11] <pygi> jsgotangco, haven't you already done "pong" stuff? :)
[04:11] <jsgotangco> pygi: what are we going to discuss?
[04:11] <spacey> highvoltage: ah thats nice
[04:13] <pygi> jsgotangco, once your student is here, we have to discuss "Pyro" :)
[04:14] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:36] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: that's a bug???
[04:36] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep
[04:37] <highvoltage> ogra: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/47304
[04:37] <ogra> highvoltage, ah, thatnks i'll add the bug # to DapperReleaseRadar,
[04:38] <highvoltage> ok
[04:38] <ogra> we wont get it on the CD ... but into -updates
[04:38] <ogra> since nobody noticed or filed it during the CD tests it seems not noticeable enough
[04:38] <highvoltage> ogra: did the updates used to include fixes like that, or just security fixes?
[04:39] <ogra> -security has the security fixes
[04:39] <highvoltage> ah, was there an -updates before?
[04:39] <ogra> -updates is for special purpose ...
[04:39] <ogra> yep
[04:39] <ogra> since warty
[04:39] <highvoltage> nice. will things like firefox 2.0, etc be available in updates once its released?
[04:39] <ogra> nope, never
[04:40] <highvoltage> hmmm... i didn't no about the -updates...
[04:40] <ogra> only stuff that doesnt require big testing runs or breaqks dependencys
[04:40] <highvoltage> ok
[04:40] <ogra> ff 2.0 would require to rebuild half the worls
[04:40] <ogra> s/s/d
[04:40] <pygi> what about ff 3.0? :)
[04:41] <ogra> egdy+1 -updates you mean ?
[04:41] <highvoltage> pygi: ff 3.0 won't be called ff anymore
[04:41] <highvoltage> ogra: no, i think you understood my question correctly, and answered it too :)
[04:41] <pygi> highvoltage, That dynamite thingy? :)
[04:41] <highvoltage> pygi: heh
[04:42] <pygi> what? :P
[04:44] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, pygi: hello
[04:44] <pygi> ryan_rousseau, hi
[04:45] <pygi> ryan_rousseau, may you please explain the problem ? :)
[04:46] <ryan_rousseau> Well, the remote object module I'm using, Pyro, is currently in the universe, and it seems that getting it upgraded to the main repository may be difficult
[04:46] <jsgotangco> well that's what we're about to ask as well
[04:46] <jsgotangco> (actually pygi is more interested on it, i didnt notice it till he pinged me about it)
[04:47] <ogra> ryan_rousseau, just make sure its licensing isnt insane and it doesnt depend on too much stuff, its not hard to get sane stuff to main
[04:47] <pygi> ogra, it's not sane, thats problem :)
[04:47] <pygi> security-wise
[04:47] <jsgotangco> oh
[04:47] <ogra> what is not sane about it ?
[04:48] <ogra> can you be more specific ?
[04:48] <pygi> ryan_rousseau, you have that link?
[04:48] <ryan_rousseau> http://pyro.sourceforge.net/manual/9-security.html
[04:48] <ogra> sadly we're in the middle of preparing the final dapper isos, so nobody will have much time to talk the next 48h
[04:49] <ryan_rousseau> it says there's the possibility for security problems, but I don't know of any cases where there have been problems
[04:49] <ryan_rousseau> supposedly it's being used in a banking system in Spain
[04:49] <ogra> doesnt look worse then the avahi-daemon
[04:49] <ogra> s/then/than/
[04:50] <ogra> i.e. if yu open a network port to the outside world, thats indeed a *potential* security risk
[04:50] <ogra> but do you need network functionallity for your project at all ?
[04:50] <pygi> yup, he does
[04:51] <ogra> what for ? #
[04:51] <ogra> that was the quizzling thing, right ?
[04:51] <ryan_rousseau> The plan is for teachers to host the objects on their computer, allowing students to connect to them through Pyro
[04:51] <ryan_rousseau> right, plus an activity manager
[04:52] <ogra> can you use something like tls with pyro so the traffic gets encrypted ?
[04:52] <ogra> then it wouldnt be a prob
[04:52] <ryan_rousseau> yes, Pyro has ssl support
[04:52] <ogra> else i'd rather fear the students to hack into the resulst
[04:52] <ogra> (not generally security )
[04:53] <mhz> how about UserModeLinux?
[04:53] <ryan_rousseau> right, I was thinking of not storing the answers in the actual object
[04:53] <ogra> thats fine, try to incorporate tls/ssl into it and you are fine then
[04:53] <ogra> movin pyro to main shouldnt be a prob
[04:53] <ryan_rousseau> but just have their answers sent back to the teacher, then do the checking separately
[04:53] <jsgotangco> sorry i was talking to my mom (real big issue at home atm)
[04:53] <ogra> mhz, what about it ?
[04:53] <ogra> we dont have it
[04:54] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, I hope everythings ok
[04:54] <mhz> oh, then never mind
[04:54] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: so yeah, ditto on ogra's suggestion too, i'd rather have do the ssl route since Pyro supports
[04:56] <ryan_rousseau> awesome, thanks very much for the clarification guys.  I'll continue working on my specs as is
[04:56] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: expect an email from me later (for formality though)
[04:56] <ogra> ryan_rousseau, pitti would be the person to talk to about security and main inclusion but he's very busy currently
[04:57] <ryan_rousseau> ogra, I understand, with the big release and all
[04:57] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: if you got an updated spec, i would appreciate it and have it added in my todo
[04:58] <ryan_rousseau> how do I add to your todo?
[04:58] <jsgotangco> err i mean i will add it myself in my emacs-planner heh
[04:58] <jsgotangco> sorry for that
[04:59] <ryan_rousseau> ah ok
[04:59] <ogra> fly to asia and bring a pencil :P
[04:59] <ryan_rousseau> haha
[04:59] <ryan_rousseau> I'm currently drafting a detailed spec for each app
[04:59] <ryan_rousseau> wiki.edubuntu.org/Amenity
[04:59] <jsgotangco> ogra: will these lang uploads fit?
[05:00] <ogra> jsgotangco, according to pitti they will
[05:00] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:00] <ogra> i'm scared myself, belive me :)
[05:00] <jsgotangco> i saw -zh
[05:00] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, wiki.edubuntu.org/Pike is still under heavy drafting
[05:00] <jsgotangco> *shudder*
[05:00] <ogra> he just worked down the list
[05:01] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: thanks
[05:01] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, thank you
[05:01] <ogra> to sad the shipit CD will only have english
[05:06] <jryer> Where can I find educational software for edubuntu in Spanish?
[05:07] <jsgotangco> jryer: it usually depends on the apps if they have spanish stranslations
[05:08] <jryer> Is there an ISO CD with Spanish software?
[05:09] <mhz> jryer: hi
[05:09] <mhz> jryer: not yet
[05:09] <mhz> jryer: most applications have spanish as a translated set
[05:09] <mhz> you can get it in spanish once your environment is set to it
[05:10] <mhz> jryer: anything in particular you are lookin for?
[05:10] <ogra> jryer, depends, the dapper liveCD (with installer) has full support for spanish, but it only installs the workstation version
[05:11] <jryer> We are teaching adolocentes 15-20 yrs old...just wanted to look around or download an entire CD
[05:11] <mhz> jryer: and when installing edubuntu-install iso, then you can immediately set your env. for spanish and get lang. support from internet
[05:12] <mhz> jryer: soy de chile, y tu?
[05:12] <ogra> jryer, the install CD only has space for english, so if you dont want the ltsp server we install from the install CD then the liveCD should be fine for you
[05:12] <jryer> mhz, That is another problem...we don't have internet in the labs. Soy de ee.uu. pero trabajo aca en la paz con adolocentes en el alto
[05:12] <mhz> save children?
[05:13] <jryer> Yes, Save the Children
[05:13] <mhz> jryer: i just replied an email to seth :D
[05:14] <ogra> jryer, do you have the opportunity to diownload and use a DVD ? the DVD has all langpacks as well as the live and the install isos on it
[05:15] <mhz> jryer: after dapper release, i suppose I'll get some funds to work on the customization for a Edubuntu version for older hardware. this will be in spanish and have xubuntu as default and gnome as option :D
[05:15] <mhz> jryer: this will focous on latinamerican needs
[05:15] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:15] <jryer> It looks like the edubuntu site is down because we cannot download anything. Another obstacle is that the computers in the labs do not have DVD functinality
[05:16] <ogra> thats what i was suspecting :/
[05:16] <mhz> ogra: else, I may find some ways to send you a DVD so you get all at once, in the meantime.
[05:16] <mhz> ogra sorry
[05:16] <ogra> heh
[05:16] <mhz> jryer:  else, I may find some ways to send you a DVD so you get all at once, in the meantime.
[05:16] <ogra> but i'd take a DVD if you'd send me one ;)
[05:16] <mhz> lol
[05:17] <ogra> mhz, if he has no reader that wont help
[05:17] <ajayc> ahh i see a op
[05:17] <mhz> ogra: sure! you'll get a t-shirt from our proj. at least!!
[05:17] <ajayc> i worte a mail to some ubuntu official
[05:17] <ogra> ajayc, about what ?
[05:17] <ajayc> that there were no op here
[05:17] <ogra> we dont want to use ops here
[05:17] <ajayc> :D
[05:18] <ajayc> highvoltage, hi
[05:18] <highvoltage> hi ajayc
[05:18] <ogra> ajayc, as in all ubuntu channels we dont want ops constantly but we have a list of people that can op if needed (for emergency)
[05:18] <mhz> jryer: hmmm, if seth comes to chile for june 20th, I will provide cd's in spanish for him :D
[05:18] <ajayc> ok ogra
[05:19] <ogra> i think i explained it to you before :)
[05:19] <highvoltage> ajayc: i think i received a mail from you. sorry if i haven't responded yet.
[05:19] <jryer> mhz, if we could get a copy of DVD that would be great but if we could get CD with Spanish support, even better. We want to do a network install but not sure how it will work because of broken links to instructions. Will figure what we can do in the meantime
[05:19] <ajayc> what was that?
[05:19] <highvoltage> ajayc: ogra, JaneW and I (and some others) can get opps whenever we want
[05:19] <ajayc> who made u op?
[05:19] <highvoltage> chanserv
[05:20] <ogra> ajayc, the freenode staff and chanserv
[05:20] <ajayc> oh cool
[05:20] <jryer> mhz, we are talking about taking our team of 3-4 to chile because june 20th just happens to be during our one-week break... Seth will keep you updated.
[05:20] <mhz> jryer: hmmm, my only prob. before june 20 th is lack of time and too much stuff to prepare for the event. I doubt I can customize a solution before june 20th. :(  but... let me think of ways.
[05:21] <JaneW> and op obsession is so last millenium!
[05:21] <JaneW> (I am not actually here...)
[05:21] <ogra> hey JaneW :)
[05:21] <JaneW> hey ogra
[05:21] <mhz> jryer: that would be awsome!!
[05:21] <jryer> mhz, no problem...we are just using Windows in the meantime.
[05:21] <JaneW> heh yay
[05:21] <mhz> jryer: then "yes,, problem" :D
[05:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am coming in on wednesday
[05:22] <JaneW> would have been there today but my car is STILL not fixed properly
[05:22] <highvoltage> JaneW: great. are you coming in for the farewell?
[05:22] <JaneW> the autoelectrician broke it
[05:22] <mhz> JaneW: highvoltage has got a car
[05:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: farewell?
[05:22] <JaneW> mhz: he lives on the other side of the world from me
[05:22] <cbx33> hey JaneW
[05:22] <mhz> farewell...that soon???
[05:22] <highvoltage> JaneW: we're having a farewell for all the people who's leaving TSF
[05:22] <JaneW> hey cbx33
[05:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: oh!
[05:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool, well then I should be there
[05:23] <JaneW> highvoltage: what time?
[05:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: an e-mail was sent to 12plein, didn't you get it?
[05:23] <JaneW> late?
[05:23] <JaneW> oh I haven;t checked that folder today...
[05:23] <jryer> mhz, gotta run, we are preparing for classes tomorrow. Appreciate the help and look fwd to hearing more about what you are doing in chile!
[05:23] <JaneW> have to scroll up to see it
[05:23] <ryan_rousseau> I'm guessing that Ubuntu's openssl package doesn't have RC5 or IDEA compiled since they're copyrighted?
[05:23] <ogra> highvoltage, bah, and i cant attend
[05:23] <JaneW> oh yay, not late, cos I can;t stay into evening, my Dad will be in town
[05:23] <mhz> jryer: okis, thx, good luck
[05:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: well I guess I can break my news there
[05:24] <highvoltage> JaneW: it's at 12:30
[05:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: SUSHI! *Y*U*M*
[05:24] <mhz> highvoltage: UTC?
[05:24] <mhz> :D
[05:24] <JaneW> 10:30 UTC
[05:24] <mhz> highvoltage: streaming! streaming!
[05:25] <JaneW> bye homies, it's time to sweat.
[05:25] <highvoltage> mhz: heh. our bandwidth here will never survive it!
[05:25] <mhz> :(
[05:25] <highvoltage> yeah
[05:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: seen my blog. I have one of Madonna's bras!
[05:26] <highvoltage> bye homies, i need to go home too. getting late :)
[05:26] <JaneW> from an auction
[05:26] <JaneW> heh
[05:26] <JaneW> bye
[05:26] <highvoltage> JaneW: heh, i'll look later tonight (not sure if i want to though)
[05:26] <highvoltage> bye!
[05:47] <spacey> bleh, switch user doesn't work with LTSP
[05:47] <spacey> and still got that Sleep option in the logout window as well :o
[05:47] <mhz> spacey: what you mean?
[05:47] <spacey> if you use LTSP 4.2 on dapper :)
[05:47] <ogra> spacey, in gnome ?
[05:47] <ogra> ahh
[05:47] <spacey> yeah
[05:47] <ogra> *phew*
[05:47] <spacey> especially that sleep button is quite nasty :)
[05:48] <ogra> please avoid such statements until thursdaya if you dont want me to have a heart attack !
[05:48] <spacey> ogra: sorry :D
[05:48] <mhz> lol
[05:48] <ogra> spacey, gnome-session saks gdm if a user is logged in locally or not
[05:48] <ogra> seems thats a gdm bug
[05:48] <ogra> *asks
[05:49] <ogra> thats why we dont have to care about it with ldm ;) it simply doesnt answer such requests
[05:49] <spacey> i think its in lunchpad somewhere
[05:49] <spacey> more people encountered it
[05:49] <ogra> mhz, "normal" ltsp == ubuntu ltsp in this channel
[05:49] <ogra> ;)
[05:49] <mhz> ogra: :D
[05:50] <mhz> yeah
[05:50] <spacey> muecow (crappy name btw)
[05:50] <ogra> ask jammcq to change it :)
[05:50] <ogra> not an ubuntu creation
[05:51] <spacey> maybe you should call it utsp or something, to avoid confusion, but it might increase confusion as well ;)
[05:51] <spacey> ubuntu terminal server power
[05:51] <ogra> heh
[05:52] <ogra> i'll just ask jammcq to stop providing an ubuntu version of ltsp.org :P
[05:53] <ogra> pygi, !
[05:54] <pygi> ogra, yes? :)
[05:54] <ogra> stop spreading rumors that may kill me
[05:54] <ogra> :)
[05:54] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:57] <spacey> hehe
[05:57] <spacey> ogra: that would be evil :p in some cases "classic" LTSP is more desirable :)
[05:58] <spacey> but i think they should put up some big note on their ubuntu page, that the ubuntu ltsp is set up differently
[05:58] <ogra> spacey, just joking...
[05:58] <mhz> pygi: what student control panel?
[05:58] <spacey> *pwef* :P
[05:58] <ogra> (i have to give back some of the evilness i experience here ;) )
[05:58] <spacey> hehe :D
[05:59] <pygi> mhz, the one we ship in universe?
[05:59] <ogra> mhz, sudo apt-get install student-control-panel
[05:59] <mhz> duh! /me had no idea
[05:59] <spacey> i should test that, didn't know it was already there
[05:59] <spacey> this one doesn't rock?
[06:00] <pygi> spacey, it does, but the next version will rock even more ;)
[06:00] <pygi> (at least I hope so)
[06:00] <spacey> ah :p
[06:00] <ogra> it doesnt *rock* it does only some basics
[06:00] <spacey> i guess it doesn't work with classic ltsp? ;)
[06:00] <ogra> and its only for ubuntu ltsp
[06:01] <ogra> since its written for ssh based connections
[06:08] <jsgotangco> arggh i knew eating that chocolate bar was a bad idea
[06:30] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[06:32] <mhz> re
[06:34] <mhz> ogra: any url where I can get more info related to student-control-panel?
[06:34] <mhz> cache show provides bare minimum
[06:35] <ogra> install it and test it ;)
[06:35] <mhz> ogra: done it
[06:35] <ogra> mhz, TeschersPet has the list of suggestions etc
[06:35] <mhz> but I have no clients to boot from right now :)
[06:35] <mhz> oooh, okis
[06:35] <ogra> but its not specific to s-c-p
[06:36] <ogra> i.e. there is no further info about it on that page
[06:36] <ogra> only a collection of possible ideas
[06:36] <mhz> ogra: anyways, in the meantime, it start :)  and gives me a couple of lines of error which I suppose are generated because no clients are found
[06:37] <ogra> might be, i dont have the time to look at it now
[06:37] <mhz> no worries
[06:37] <mhz> I understand
[06:37] <ogra> (and its unlikely i'll have any time until thursday)
[06:38] <mhz> just wanted to tell you "good idea and I guess it will work just fine"
[06:38] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[06:39] <highvoltage> ogra: have you experienced any weirdness with the edubuntu gtk theme? i see red spots over my buttone now and again. it looks sick :)
[06:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, I've experienced that too
[06:40] <cbx33> thought it was just my rubbish graphics card
[06:40] <cbx33> and over scrollbars too?
[06:41] <cbx33> but from my experience it's ubuntu toio
[06:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: i haven't seen it on the scrollbars yet
[06:43] <mhz> highvoltage: i have not had such issue in GNOME nor in XFCE
[06:44] <mhz> cbx33: what is you email address (to send my 2 questions regarding ESA) unless we use IRC?
[06:45] <cbx33><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:45] <cbx33> mhz, I will most likely be here a little later on
[06:45] <cbx33> want to work on th wiki some more
[06:45] <mhz> cbx33: so, what you prefer?
[06:45] <cbx33> email them
[06:45] <mhz> okis
[06:45] <cbx33> and we can discuss later if I'm there
[06:46] <mhz> sure
[06:46] <cbx33> if not I'll reply
[06:47] <cbx33> I'm also hoping to get gisomount to a beta state today
[06:47] <yurtboy> questions about the launchpad cookbook link
[06:47] <yurtboy> when someone gets a chance
[06:47] <cbx33> shoot
[06:48] <yurtboy> thanks
[06:48] <yurtboy> this link
[06:48] <yurtboy> https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook
[06:48] <yurtboy> sorry this link
[06:48] <yurtboy> https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook/pre-alpha
[06:48] <yurtboy> points left to the cookbook Home
[06:49] <yurtboy> but the link is on the right
[06:49] <yurtboy> I think
[06:49] <yurtboy> anyways being an enduser
[06:49] <yurtboy> it was a bit odd
[06:49] <cbx33> I'll pass that onto to the cookbook peeps
[06:49] <cbx33> thanks yurtboy
[06:50] <yurtboy> sure hope to be more help soon
[06:50] <yurtboy> hey has anyone (yes ogra I asked this before ( -: ) Had luck with local devices?  I am going to try fuse
[06:50] <yurtboy> just wondering
[06:52] <cbx33> whois AliasVegas
[06:52] <pygi> cbx33, what ahppened with cookbook?
[06:53] <cbx33> ^^^^ about the link
[06:53] <cbx33> I havn't had time to investigate
[06:53] <cbx33> gotta cook dinner :p
[06:53] <cbx33> bbl
[06:53] <pygi> I dont know what all those links in launchpad are
[06:53] <pygi> no meanings
[06:53] <cbx33> ah
[06:53] <pygi> k, bon apetit
[06:53] <pygi> none of this links are relevant
[06:54] <ogra> pygi, can you fix that then ?
[06:54] <ogra> (since you took over the cookbook)
[06:54] <pygi> ogra, how? I have no powers over other's people products, teams, etc
[06:55] <ogra> you should have the administration rights for it, its the core part of cookbooks inclusion in the distro
[06:55] <ogra> the LP links need to be ok (especially the bzr ones) to build the package in edgy)
[06:55] <highvoltage> i think we need to ask launchpad administrators to give the rights to pygi
[06:56] <pygi> highvoltage, there are a lot of teams and products related to cookbook :-/
[06:56] <ogra> just talk to the admins that are there now for the cookbook
[06:56] <pygi> None are good :-/
[06:56] <mhz> cbx33: nock nock...."follow the white rabbit"
[06:56] <ogra> please contact the owner of that page to get it transferred
[06:57] <pygi> ogra, ergh, all of them? (considering there is a lot of them :-/ )
[06:57] <highvoltage> pygi: i would talk to the people who currently own them, and delete all the old groups one by one, and make a new one
[06:57] <ogra> sure
[06:57] <pygi> highvoltage, indeed
[06:57] <ogra> at least weed out th eold cruft
[06:57] <pygi> can products ownership be tranfered tho?
[06:58] <ogra> the LP page is (from a dev POV) the most immportant part
[06:58] <pygi> ogra, indeed
[06:58] <pygi> but I am not sure can product be tranfered to other owner
[06:59] <ogra> and if the supermirror is up in edgy, there needs to be a valid bzr source where it can pull from
[06:59] <mhz> cbx33: BTW, is ESA supposed to be UsingEdubunt? or they are 2 diff things?
[06:59] <pygi> highvoltage, could you please ask in #launchpad can they delete they product?
[06:59] <ogra> mhz, ESA builds rockets and UsingEdubuntu is a helpfile :) so yes, they are different ;)
[07:00] <pygi> I'll ask in the team to put me as owner
[07:00] <mhz> ogra: now I got the idea then
[07:00] <mhz> thx
[07:00] <ogra> ;)
[07:00] <yurtboy> just to be clear about my cookbook comment this link https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook/pre-alpha pulls up a page that then sais "For a look at the current cookbook, click on the link to the home page in the LEFTmenu." But that was hard to find and I clicked "Product:  Edubuntu Cookbook" on the RIGHT that seemed to work
[07:00] <pygi> yurtboy, that page is supposed to be erased
[07:00] <yurtboy> okay
[07:01] <mhz> highvoltage: good to talk about translations now?
[07:01] <ogra> yurtboy, the cookbook is gone through several hands, so the LP entry is a bit messy
[07:01] <highvoltage> pygi: sure, ok if it happens tomorrow?
[07:01] <highvoltage> mhz: sure
[07:01] <pygi> highvoltage, ofcourse
[07:01] <pygi> highvoltage, thanks :)
[07:01] <highvoltage> mhz: Bluekuja is also busy with spanish translation
[07:01] <ogra> highvoltage, as long as it happens at all it can even happen next month ;)
[07:01] <pygi> ogra, finally we'll have cookbook for this release
[07:01] <highvoltage> pygi: i'll add it to my ever growing evolution todo list ;)
[07:01] <mhz> highvoltage: okis, I have asked this in the ML and also got some suggestions here but I have still not a clear wise idea
[07:01] <ogra> pygi, yep :)
[07:01] <highvoltage> ogra: heh
[07:01] <pygi> highvoltage, thanks :)
[07:02] <pygi> ogra, I am just sorry you didnt had time for LTSP part, but there is always "tommorow" :)
[07:02] <ogra> highvoltage, if the LP admins cause probs feel free to point them to me
[07:02] <mhz> highvoltage: there is the Edubuntu wiki info (helpful pages) + the drupal.
[07:02] <pygi> hehe, ogra is powerful :)
[07:02] <highvoltage> ogra: heh. ok. i've discovered a while back that it helps to be good friends with them ;)
[07:02] <ogra> pygi, nah, but i can talk to my colleagues ;)
[07:03] <mhz> highvoltage: So far, I have some translations in Tecnocimiento's page and others in Ubuntu-cl.org wiki
[07:03] <pygi> ogra, I know, was joking :)
[07:03] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, i've though of having an it.edubuntu.org, and es.edubuntu.org
[07:03] <mhz> highvoltage: and a couple in wiki.edubuntu.org/TheEnglishPage/es
[07:03] <highvoltage> mhz: both with complete drupal copies, with translated content
[07:04] <ogra> highvoltage, uuh 47336 is weird
[07:04] <mhz> highvoltage: okis, that would solve/answer my questions for drupal. Any thoughts about wiki ones?
[07:05] <pygi> damn, I cant seem to find his mail
[07:05] <pygi> guess I'll have to catch him on jabber
[07:05] <highvoltage> mhz: i suppose they'll move along to the new wiki. how that will work, i'm not entirely sure. i think the docteam vision will clear up a bit when it actualy happens :)
[07:05] <pygi> ergh, there is mail :-/
[07:05] <highvoltage> ogra: it is weird, isn't it? it doesn't happen when i select any other gtk theme though.
[07:05] <mhz> highvoltage: hmmm, lost me
[07:06] <ogra> highvoltage, do you have an ubuntu handy to compare ?
[07:06] <highvoltage> mhz: docteam is moving all the documentation to a new wiki. so all docs will be on the doc wiki, and the current wiki will be used for everything else except docs.
[07:06] <ogra> its the same engine ubuntu uses
[07:06] <mhz> highvoltage: ahhhhh, finally!
[07:06] <highvoltage> ogra: nope :( i only have xubuntu and edubuntu
[07:07] <mhz> highvoltage: any date for that? (yeah, of course I can ask in -doc :D)
[07:07] <ogra> well, to late to fix anyway
[07:07] <ogra> the archive is pretty much locked
[07:07] <pygi> highvoltage, k, mail about taking over the team - done
[07:07] <pygi> let's hope he won't resist :)
[07:08] <ogra> pygi, who owns it ? jelkner ? kjcole ?
[07:08] <pygi> kjcole
[07:08] <ogra> he wont object
[07:08] <highvoltage> mhz: i have no idea. i don't know if they have a date yet. might be best to ask in -doc yes
[07:08] <highvoltage> pygi: resitance is futile!
[07:08] <pygi> highvoltage, indeed :P
[07:08] <pygi> ogra, will we be able to package the cookbook after dapper, and put in -updates?
[07:09] <ogra> probably
[07:09] <pygi> nice :)
[07:09] <pygi> ok, I'll just stop now, I know you are busy with preparing release
[07:10] <ogra> in fact i'm currently twiddling thumbs ... archive is locked and CD builds wont start before the last package is built
[07:10] <yurtboy> where is a good place to ask ltsp (edubuntu) questions like hardware and other settings, I know the k12ltsp/ltsp wiki is good but some time it is not so debian ubuntu friendly
[07:10] <ogra> but i have to pick up something 150km away, so i'll be out for ~2h soon
[07:10] <ogra> yurtboy, here is the place :)
[07:11] <pygi> yurtboy, and soon (perhaps) the Edubuntu cookbook is the place :P
[07:11] <yurtboy> thanks, is sata better then say an older scsi disk?  For example a scsi with
[07:11] <yurtboy> 80 - 160 mbs data transfer
[07:11] <pygi> Scsi is better
[07:11] <pygi> It's not all about data tranfer
[07:12] <pygi> transfer*
[07:12] <ogra> SATA is cheaper :)
[07:12] <yurtboy> used scsi is not bad
[07:12] <pygi> ogra, o joy :P
[07:12] <ogra> but there are still a lot SATA controllers not supported
[07:12] <yurtboy> got a 18 gig for $35
[07:12] <yurtboy> speeds okay
[07:12] <pygi> highvoltage, wanna approve me in edubuntu-doc team?
[07:13] <pygi> (If I am good enough, ofcourse :P)
[07:13] <highvoltage> pygi: sure
[07:13] <highvoltage> yurtboy: sata is better these days, imho
[07:13] <highvoltage> yurtboy: since they're cheaper, so you just buy more and stripe them
[07:13] <pygi> highvoltage, thanks
[07:14] <yurtboy> does it still lag like ide in handling numerous read writes????
[07:14] <highvoltage> yurtboy: your stripe them over two disks and then add another double size one (or two of the same size) and mirror it over
[07:14] <yurtboy> can i boot off that
[07:15] <highvoltage> with linux yes, i don't know about other operating systems
[07:15] <yurtboy> what other
[07:15] <yurtboy> ( -:
[07:15] <highvoltage> yurtboy: i'm not sure about your lag question, but yes, it does get laggy with lots of read/writes, especially when 20 users open openoffice.org at the same time
[07:16] <highvoltage> yurtboy: you then run out of disk bandwidth quickly :)
[07:16] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/Desktop$ bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mercury
[07:16] <lucasvo> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:16] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/Desktop$
[07:17] <lucasvo> what's the correct URL?
[07:17] <yurtboy> alright, I need to research this since I am upgrading a library install to 10 machines.  Right now I am using Fedora/LTSP but when the time comes to update I will use Edu, though I need to get local devices working which I am about to work on.
[07:19] <mhz> highvoltage: then, mdke suggests I keep trasnlated wiki pages under ubuntu-cl.org. I hope users get there. So, for every english pageI translate into spanish, I'll add a link to ubuntu-cl
[07:21] <highvoltage> mhz: i know you like moin a lot, we can keep the spanish edubuntu site in a moin wiki too if you want, but it might not be very consistant
[07:22] <lucasvo> highvoltage: what's the ubuntu wiki running?
[07:23] <highvoltage> lucasvo: moinmoin
[07:23] <ogra> moin
[07:23] <ogra> and moin :)
[07:23] <highvoltage> :)
[07:23] <lucasvo> and afterwards?
[07:23] <highvoltage> moinmoin still
[07:24] <highvoltage> the documentation pages will just live on its own moinmoin wiki
[07:24] <lucasvo> oh, ok
[07:24] <lucasvo> why moin and not mediawiki, btw?
[07:24] <mhz> highvoltage: hmmm, well, I never thought of this before, but it's the first time I realize I have some conflicts of interest :D  For one, I want translations to be noticed and avaliable for edubuntu visitors. But also, I want to encourage the sleeping Chilean community who usually participate only via Forums.
[07:24] <ogra> lucasvo, because php security is hell :)
[07:24] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i don't think that any ubuntu stuff will ever be ran on a mediawiki ;)
[07:25] <mhz> highvoltage: ohh, and finally, of course, if Chilean community does not rise in other ways, then I'd like chilean people to see Tecnocimiento's efforts to spread this.
[07:25] <highvoltage> mhz: i think that having it in drupal would be best. then we can have the same theme, same look and feel, and give the same functionality for users of all languages
[07:26] <highvoltage> mhz: what do you mean?
[07:26] <mhz> lucasvo: and that is due to the fact moin does not need PHP, iirc.
[07:26] <lucasvo> ogra: what's the correct syntax for bzr branch? bzr branch sftp://user@sourcehost/path/to/branch destination ?
[07:26] <ogra> branch is a command you only use locally
[07:26] <ogra> you want bzr get
[07:26] <lucasvo> ogra: was it always like this?
[07:26] <ogra> yes
[07:27] <ogra> and if you used get and have the repo locally, you only use bzr pull to update
[07:27] <mhz> highvoltage: oh, there are 2 things. Drupal contents I translate must be kept in drupal sure! Wiki Edubuntu pages (there's a list of suggested pages, iirc) I translate.. those are the ones I am asking about now ;)
[07:27] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/Desktop$ bzr get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mercury
[07:27] <ogra> back in 2h
[07:27] <lucasvo> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:28] <lucasvo> ogra: ??
[07:28] <ogra> lucasvo, #bzr, i'm a bit in a hurry
[07:29] <lucasvo> ogra:
[07:29] <lucasvo> oh sorry
[07:29] <ogra> or ask in 2.5h
[07:29] <lucasvo> :)
[07:29] <mhz> highvoltage: oh, one other thing regarding drupal site, "Related Projects" menu should have Xubuntu too, or not?
[07:30] <Burgwork> mhz, no, because Xubuntu is not yet an official project
[07:30] <mhz> oooh, i see, Burgwork thx.
[07:31] <highvoltage> mhz: ogra is asking silbs about that today
[07:31] <highvoltage> ogra: did you get a chance to go through our questions with silbs?
[07:31] <mhz> highvoltage: BTW, is silbs the one to email for 'special amount of cd shipping' ?
[07:32] <highvoltage> mhz: it might be her. would make sense.
[07:32] <cbx33> I'm here now people
[07:32] <Burgwork> highvoltage, isn't maralize doing that?
[07:32] <mhz> and one last thing before I get some food.. highvoltage, any news about artwork for edubuntu cd's?
[07:33] <highvoltage> Burgwork: she handles the cd distribution, but i'm not sure that she can authorise large cd orders
[07:33] <cbx33> mhz, you gonna be back?
[07:33] <mhz> Burgwork: hmm, could you provide me with email addresses for both of them?
[07:33] <highvoltage> mhz: i think JaneW is best to ask about that. i don't know antying about the edubuntu cd artwork, or even if it exists yet
[07:34] <mhz> cbx33: I'll be here for at least next 10 minutes but I just run out of questions for highvoltage (for now) :D
[07:34] <mhz> run =ran
[07:34] <mhz> hmmm, JaneW wont be here until wed, maybe. :(
[07:39] <cbx33> ok
[07:39] <cbx33> I'm just about to check my mail
[07:40] <cbx33> mhz, did you send that email?
[07:40] <mhz> yup
[07:42] <cbx33> i got it
[07:43] <cbx33> ok mhz, I see your point
[07:44] <yurtboy> Request: The lts.conf help page could use some examples? This link has some http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf I could enter them in?
[07:44] <mhz> cbx33: I am pulled out of the computer now... gotta get some food :(
[07:44] <cbx33> we decided that seeing as the document was going to be printed
[07:44] <mhz> cbx33: I'll be back in 40 mins
[07:44] <cbx33> ok mhz speak to you later
[07:44] <cbx33> eeeeeeeeeeeeek
[07:44] <cbx33> my bridge heatsink fell off
[07:44] <cbx33> that's not good
[07:45] <cbx33> could explain why it keeps crashing
[07:45] <cbx33> :(
[07:45] <cbx33> now do i do this now, or later :S
[07:45] <cbx33> think i may leave it till tomorrow
[07:46] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[07:46] <cbx33> hiya
[07:52] <cbx33> ogra, how do i get the label of a cd from ths iso?
[08:36] <mhz> cbx33: re
[08:38] <cbx33> hey mhz
[08:39] <mhz> cbx33: last thing i got from you was "I see your point"
[08:39] <cbx33> ok
[08:39] <cbx33> with regards to the ESA
[08:39] <cbx33> we decided that the information in the wiki version
[08:40] <cbx33> was too long winded to end up in the printed pamphlet, which is what ESA is going to become
[08:40] <mhz> i see.
[08:40] <mhz> so?
[08:42] <cbx33> so
[08:42] <cbx33> I think that perhaps we could have some more updated information
[08:42] <cbx33> on the website
[08:42] <cbx33> and say in the pamphlet that you can view this online
[08:42] <cbx33> what do you think
[08:42] <mhz> ogra: last time I asked about this, I recall you mentioned something like management was not entirely open to hear from edubuntu? If I am correct, then who should I personally email asking for Edubuntu status? (so they can't say "ogra is bugging about it again ; ) )
[08:43] <mhz> ogra: I mean about Edubuntu artwork stuff
[08:43] <mhz> cbx33: yeah!
[08:44] <mhz> cbx33: but should ESA (the pamphlet) be for Edubuntu general stuff or Dapper specific?
[08:44] <cbx33> ok great
[08:44] <cbx33> it's more edubuntu general
[08:44] <cbx33> at least that's how i wrote it
[08:45] <cbx33> ogra, when will those iso you want testing be ready?
[08:46] <mhz> cbx33: and do you agree with my 2 cents regarding 'Using Edubuntu' page?
[08:47] <cbx33> yes sounds good
[08:48] <cbx33> mhz, howz the spam killing going :D
[08:53] <mhz> cbx33: well, I had almost no web connection during weekend and today I am still answering about 80 emails before I can get to kill more spam :)
[08:53] <cbx33> hehe
[08:53] <cbx33> I was just messing
[08:53] <mhz> cbx33: If I were a programmer I'd definately do something like a "shoot'em-all-spams"
[08:54] <cbx33> hehe
[08:55] <cbx33> no
[08:55] <cbx33> its is wholly stupid
[08:55] <mhz> indeed
[08:55] <mhz> it benefits no onw
[08:55] <mhz> s/w/e
[08:55] <lucasvo> no, it's not, because people buy it
[08:55] <mhz> do they???????/
[08:56] <lucasvo> mhz: why would the spammer send spam if they weren't selling anything?
[08:56] <mhz> lucasvo: will you buy viagra? :D
[08:56] <lucasvo> mhz: not me
[08:56] <lucasvo> but a lot of other people do
[08:57] <mhz> hmmm, so it is like subliminal message?
[08:57] <lucasvo> translate subliminal
[08:57] <mhz> hmmm, eeek, never thought it was not an english word... "a message in between lines"
[08:58] <lucasvo> mhz: my mothertounge is not english
[08:58] <lucasvo> thank you
[08:58] <mhz> like, showing the coca coal logo very quickly, without you conciously noticing it
[08:58] <lucasvo> mhz: no, there are people that "dumb" that they visit the website from the spammers and buy it
[08:59] <mhz> lucasvo: hehe, neither is mine. As I speak spanish (latin origin) I have found many coincidences with english lang.
[09:00] <mhz> lucasvo: oh, then they are potential clicking-danger
[09:00] <lucasvo> no, people really want to buy it
[09:00] <mhz> eeeek,
[09:00] <lucasvo> not me or you
[09:00] <lucasvo> but several other
[09:01] <lucasvo> and spam is cheep so even if you only convince 0.000002% of the receivers it's still the money worth
[09:01] <mhz> interesting, I had never though of this as a 'benefit' for someone
[09:06] <highvoltage> pygi: you have a website / blog?
[09:12] <mhz> JaneW: r u here?
[09:13] <highvoltage> i think her telkom connection just died for a moment.
[09:16] <mhz> hmm, one question... why our ISO's are called dapper-install instead of edubuntu-dapper-install ?
[09:17] <lucasvo> yes, that's annoying
[09:17] <lucasvo> best would be
[09:18] <lucasvo> edubuntu-dapper-DATE.iso
[09:18] <lucasvo> or edubuntu-dapper-flight4.iso
[09:19] <lucasvo> mhz: file a bug in LP?
[09:20] <mhz> hmmm, it depends... maybe there are some policies why that is the way it is
[09:20] <mhz> hence my question
[09:20] <mhz> ;)
[09:20] <mhz> but, sure. It shold be easier for newcomers.
[09:26] <pygi> highvoltage, working on a website, set up a blog without content just yet :)
[09:27] <pygi> why do you ask?
[09:27] <highvoltage> pygi: i don't know :)
[09:27] <pygi> I have a lot of things to write, just no time :)
[09:28] <pygi> I'll write some things about SoC and stuff on pygi.wordpress.com unless I get the website up and running
[09:28] <highvoltage> pygi: i keep huge archives of useless information in my head. and a field pygi.blog was empty, so i thought i'd ask you
[09:28] <highvoltage> cool
[09:28] <highvoltage> k, goodnight!
[09:28] <pygi> highvoltage, nice :)
[09:28] <pygi> night :)
[09:35] <yurtboy> When someone gets a chance, do I have to install any of the fuse apps on the client via chroot? or all on the server?
[09:38] <mhz> yurtboy: ?
[09:38] <yurtboy> yes
[09:38] <mhz> edubuntu clients do not even need harddisk because they boot from server, so all app.s are living on the server side
[09:39] <yurtboy> I know
[09:39] <yurtboy> just in the past
[09:39] <yurtboy> ogra has mentioned running chroot /opt/ltsp/init/etc apt-get
[09:40] <mhz> hmmm, i dont know why you would need to do so
[09:40] <yurtboy> have you set up fuse before?  I will look again on the ltsp wiki but just wondering
[09:41] <mhz> oh, nope, I had o idea fuse was an app. I thought it was an 'adjective' :D
[09:41] <mhz> sorry
[09:41] <yurtboy> ( -:
[09:41] <yurtboy> fuse may not be the right term
[09:41] <mhz> indeed
[09:41] <yurtboy> it is for local devices ltspsfd "fuse based remote filesystem daemon for thin-clients"
[09:42] <mhz> ooohh
[09:42] <mhz> then I have even less idea
[09:43] <yurtboy> ( -:
[09:51] <cbx33> local devices isn't supported yet
[09:53] <yurtboy> cbx33: so the fuse info on the wiki.ltsp can not work?
[09:54] <cbx33> I've no idea
[09:55] <yurtboy> understood
[10:27] <yurtboy> so far I can mount the usb disk on a client via fuse via the terminal of the client
[10:53] <cbx33> yurtboy, good going
[11:02] <mhz> Kubuntu has them even as a merchandising support http://www.kubuntu.org/
[11:02] <cbx33> nn all
[11:46] <ogra> mhz, not even i have seen the CD artwork


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[00:00] <OvenWerks> one of the problems with a wine install I have experienced in the past is that some of my video stuff was unistalled. I think it was when I was using an nvidia card with prop. drivers
[00:01] <OvenWerks> I don't know if this is still the case, but if so that would be an issue for heavy graphics users
[00:02] <OvenWerks> It seems to me I had to uninstall reinstall to fix it after removing wine.
[00:18] <OvenWerks> budgie comes with 4 workspaces, but there is nowhere to change that... or access them. I was able to add a switcher after a while.
[00:20] <OvenWerks> Ah, after the workspace switcher is active it is possible to add or remove workspaces. This seems like a strange way to do things. If there is no WS switcher then only one WS should be enabled. Someone looking for workspaces enough will add the switcher which will allow adding another WS.
[00:23] <krytarik> So that's just a matter of a default setting then.
[00:35] <OvenWerks> yes, budgie seems fine if someone wants to use it with STudio but the menu makes it less than ideal as default
[00:40] <OvenWerks> downloading cinnamon
[00:44] <OvenWerks> wow it downloads a lot of stuff beyond just the DE... like firefox?
[00:44] <krytarik> Let's see!
[00:45] <OvenWerks> (budgie comes with chromium)
[00:46] <krytarik> What package are you installing exactly then?
[00:46] <krytarik> https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/cinnamon-desktop-environment - hellooo!
[00:47] <OvenWerks> cinnamon-desktop-environment
[00:47] <OvenWerks> I am not particularly upset so much as surprised
[00:50] <OvenWerks> that page says FF or chromium, it should have skipped ff I think
[00:51] <krytarik> https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/cinnamon - I would just go with this then, if any DE is already installed.
[00:51] <OvenWerks> too late now :)
[00:52] <krytarik> Well, it's actually "chromium-browser" though.
[00:52] <OvenWerks> Ah, that makes sense
[00:52] <OvenWerks> The depends are wrong then.
[00:52] <OvenWerks> cinnamon uses mate themes
[00:57] <krytarik> Ah fun, that's literally true.
[01:00] <OvenWerks> That is weird, chromium was installed as the default but ff is what opens...
[01:06] <krytarik> Last in wins!
[01:43] <OvenWerks> Cinnamon doesn't...
[01:44] <krytarik> Avid DE testers!.. :D
[01:45] <OvenWerks> I do like the background chooser, it offers the right directories
[01:49] <OvenWerks> Fire fox must be restarted to show a new theme
[02:07] <OvenWerks> xfce is looking nicer all the time...
[02:08] <OvenWerks> budgie looks like there are things a new theme will not change.
[16:55] <OvenWerks> Calf plugins are a problem in 18.04. It seems we can have either the calf lv1 plugins or the calf lv2 plugins but not both :P
[16:56] <OvenWerks> If both are installed the host crashes when using one of them.
[16:57] <OvenWerks> However, LMMS requires the LV1 version (ladspa) but the nice GUI front ends are a part of the LV2 version.
[16:58] <OvenWerks> The lv2 version GUI has other problems... mostly they have chosen GTK as the toolkit.
[16:59] <OvenWerks> The easiest fix would be to remove the lv2 version from our seeds and fixing the two packages so that one precludes the other.
[17:03] <krytarik> eylul: Please refrain from putting (particularly the wallpaper style..) images in the WordPress theme branch (master) if they aren't referred to by the latter itself.  Like I said though, I don't exactly remember anymore how the theme combined (or not..) with the wallpaper style images was supposed to work in the current iteration of it and how it looked then.
[17:06] <krytarik> I think the idea was to upload the wallpaper images independently from the theme using the WP media manager and then referring to them using the Simple CSS plugin we also requested to be installed.
[17:08] <krytarik> This would make us not rely on Canonical IS should we wish to update the wallpapers at some point.
[17:19] <krytarik> In either case, with or without those wallpapers, the theme currently in Git would already be a whole of an improvement to the stale one currently deployed.
[18:38] <eylul> Krytarik its not wallpaper they actually are the backgrounds. as for it I thought last situation was that we couldn't get those plugins in?
[18:39] <eylul> besides I could swear there was an assets folder somewhere for them
[18:41] <krytarik> Yes, 'assets' is the other branch in the repo.
[18:42] <eylul> alright that's where they will go then.
[18:42] <eylul> but honestly if we do have the time to finalize and agree, we can also bake them into the theme. main issue last time was that we had images that had issues and we knew we wanted to replace them
[18:45] <krytarik> Well, I'd rather like the base theme lean and without those anyway.
[18:46] <eylul> that's fair.
[18:47] <eylul> we might also be able to create custom image slots directly in the theme
[18:48] <eylul> I mean the 2017 wordpress default theme has something similar in it
[21:55] <ErichEickmeyer> OvenWerks: The calf themes are also out of date. 0.90.0 was released back in November. I am working on packaging the new version. Afaik, LV1 support was dropped in favor of LV2.
[23:24] <OvenWerks> ErichEickmeyer: so what does lmms do then? it seems lmms depends on the ladspa version of calf...
[23:25] <OvenWerks> It also seems lmms is in trouble dev wise... falktx is talking of effectively forking it and converting to to use lv2 :)
[23:27] <ErichEickmeyer> I think that's why calf has been dropping it.
[23:28] <OvenWerks> lmms should not depend on wine for vst, it should be able to deal with lxvst without. Wine is great software, but I don't really think any distro/iso should include wine.
[23:28] <ErichEickmeyer> iirc, ladspa is in trouble too since nearly everyone has moved to lv2 or vst, but I could be wrong.
[23:29] <ErichEickmeyer> And, yes, I agree. That said, though, there are a lot more VST plugins for Windows than there are Linux, unfortunately.
[23:29] <ErichEickmeyer> Waves plugins, for instance.
[23:29] <OvenWerks> there are a few people who are hanging onto ladspa with both hands dragging their feet heals stuck in hard.
[23:29] <ErichEickmeyer> LOL
[23:29] <ErichEickmeyer> That analogy gave me a funny mental picture.
[23:30] <OvenWerks> Male for one and Fons as I recall
[23:31] <ErichEickmeyer> I admit, those don't ring a bell.
[23:31] <OvenWerks> Same with dssi. I hear someone is actually working on a dssi v2
[23:31] <ErichEickmeyer> Yes, I saw something about that. Possibly FalkTX himself?
[23:32] <OvenWerks> male is the guy doing all the nonstuff and Fons is the author of any of the zita- software
[23:32] <ErichEickmeyer> OH yes. Now I'm familiar.
[23:33] <OvenWerks> Both are of good quality and I would like to see non-mixer support LV2
[23:33] <ErichEickmeyer> I would LOVE to see non-mixer support LV2. I'm a pretty avid calf user.
[23:33] <OvenWerks> :P Calf either works for you or causes trouble.
[23:34] <OvenWerks> Calf has two problem, it uses GTK for it's GUI and the DSP has trouble.
[23:35] <ErichEickmeyer> I've definitely had my share of issues. But, I've never had issues with calf running inside Ardour. And that right there sums up the majority of my workflow.
[23:35] <OvenWerks> A plugin should be compiled sataticly and that is very hard to do with gtk
[23:36] <ErichEickmeyer> I've had Ardour crash on my when ladspa plugins are even present lately. Not sure which is the culpret.
[23:36] <ErichEickmeyer> Which plugin, that is.
[23:36] <ErichEickmeyer> Haven't had time to investigate.
[23:37] <OvenWerks> It seems that calf uses the same function names for both their lv1 and lv2 plugins but they are not the same they do different things and have different number of aruments
[23:37] <OvenWerks> there is another set that is bad too. I don't remember which ones though
[23:38] <ErichEickmeyer> Could it be because the lv1 code isn't maintained?
[23:38] <ErichEickmeyer> (just spitballing here)
[23:38] <OvenWerks> possibly. I don't think we or anyone else has really looked through them to see if it is possible to just drop some of the lv1 packages.
[23:39] <ErichEickmeyer> Probably worth investigating, but not a priority. Maybe a 19.04 thing.
[23:39] <OvenWerks> So far as I know the steve harris package is ok.
[23:40] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, the harris packages are working fine. Most of those are just ports, I haven't seen anything new from him in ages.
[23:41] <OvenWerks> the amb plugins should be ok and there is nothing in lv2 like them.
[23:41] <ErichEickmeyer> ..yet. :P
[23:41] <OvenWerks> Nobody has even worked on them. nonmixer is the only thing that provides a good gui for them
[23:43] <ErichEickmeyer> Really too bad, but somewhat expected. I feel as though a lot of people (including my co-worker) has gotten locked-in to Waves, and the FOSS plugins have gone by the wayside with several notable exceptions.
[23:44] <OvenWerks> things like zam-plugins should be repackaged probably though he does it right and they are (when he does it) static. but to include 4 kinds of plugin in one package?
[23:44] <OvenWerks> zam uses his own gui tk
[23:45] <ErichEickmeyer> Probably smart on his part for functionality, but maintaining a tk has to be rough.
[23:45] <OvenWerks> there is a swh-lv2 package, I was wrong.
[23:45] <ErichEickmeyer> Yeah, that's the port I was talking about.
[23:46] <ErichEickmeyer> Still haven't seen anything new from swh.
[23:46] <ErichEickmeyer> In a very long time.
[23:46] <OvenWerks> most good plugin devs do their own toolkit or use fltk/nontk
[23:46] <ErichEickmeyer> Just the ports.
[23:46] <ErichEickmeyer> I've gotta take-off. Gotta get my son home to sleep, he has school in the morning.
[23:47] <OvenWerks> ok
[23:47] <ErichEickmeyer> Talk later. :)


[01:59] <Seveas> ogra, you still awake?
[02:57] <arkan0x> hi
[02:59] <arkan0x> When applying ltsp-build-client in my Ubuntu 6,10, appears the following error :
[02:59] <arkan0x> sudo ltsp-build-client
[02:59] <arkan0x> ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/fd' to `/proc/self/fd': File exists
[02:59] <arkan0x> error: la instalacin del cliente LTSP finaliz de forma anormal
[03:00] <cliebow> arkan0x, i found this bug..
[03:01] <cliebow> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/44
[03:01] <arkan0x> 	It happens to me the same with a fresh installation of Edubuntu 6.10
[03:01] <arkan0x> cliebow, thanks !
[03:01] <cliebow> change mount-proc you shoulsd be fine...
[03:02] <cliebow> your version of ltsp-server is old
[03:02] <arkan0x> oks
[03:03] <cliebow> doing my best to tell you without knowing details
[03:03] <arkan0x> but, It happens to me the same with a fresh installation of Edubuntu 6.10 (with the iso of edubuntu,org)
[03:03] <arkan0x> *edubuntu.org
[03:04] <cliebow> somehow that crept in..ogra tells me..and he wrote a lot of it
[03:04] <cliebow> and provided this fix
[03:05] <arkan0x> oks
[03:05] <cliebow> you should throw out your old /opt/ltsp/i386 so you are installing clean'
[03:08] <arkan0x> oks
[03:09] <arkan0x> thanks cliebow !
[03:09] <cliebow> my peasure to be of service
[03:09] <cliebow> my pleasure to be of service
[03:10] <arkan0x> :)
[03:12] <thak> does anyone know how to change the default window environment for the terminals from, say, xfce to enlightenment?
[03:26] <thak> maybe i should ask this question differently...does anyone understand how the client machine determines which window environment to load?
[05:24] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to update the sources on a friends computer.  All the source work except universe.  It comes up with an error about gzip or something similar.  What can I do to fix it?
[06:00] <crimsun> use another mirror temporarily
[06:06] <rockprincess> howdy friends! :)
[06:33] <rockprincess> any idea how i could make an easy backup of my edubuntu system?