[00:00] <dscassel> Mass call! crond FiReSTaRT azend cyphermox genii-around johanbr mars willwh bilal DarwinSurvivor IdleOne khoover ryanakca wylde_ BobJonkman Jaguar KombuchaKip sipherdee zul bregma egerlach Jaguar LinuxMonkey txwikinger2
[00:00] <dscassel> Meeting time!
[00:00] <dscassel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-07-10
[00:00] <dscassel> ^- agenda
[00:00]  * genii-around stops googling
[00:01] <dscassel> Feel free to introduce yourselves.  Who are you, where are you and what do you do on/for/with Ubuntu?
[00:01] <dscassel> I'm Darcy in Waterloo and I'm LoCo Contact for Ubuntu Canada.
[00:02] <BobJonkman> Hi!  I'm Bob Jonkman, an Ubuntu enthusiast in Elmira, just north of Waterloo
[00:02] <hakimsheriff> Hi, I'm Hakim Sheriff, I'm in Montreal
[00:02] <dscassel> Hi Hakim. :)
[00:02] <hakimsheriff> hey
[00:02] <genii-around> I'm Mike in Toronto, I do a lot of user help mostly in #kubuntu but also other channels, a bit of inept moderating in some channels, hold the Toronto release parties
[00:03] <KombuchaKip> Hey folks. My name's Kip and I'm UVLC's representative today.  UVLC just released their second Unity guide for 12.04 LTS which covers Lenses & Scopes. They're also working on a new free commercial game for Ubuntu called Avaneya (www.avaneya.com). We're also working on another "thing", but related to Ubuntu and audio - but top secret for now ;)
[00:03] <dscassel> Hey, genii-around, KombuchaKip :)
[00:03]  * KombuchaKip waves at dscassel
[00:04] <BobJonkman> Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-07-10
[00:05] <dscassel> I'll give another minute or two for any straglers to wander in.
[00:05]  * genii-around makes a fresh pot of coffee and hands the mugs around
[00:06] <dscassel> Okay.
[00:07] <dscassel> singpolyma: Can you tell us about your workshop tomorrow? :)
[00:07] <singpolyma> Sure.
[00:08] <singpolyma> So, I'm going to set up a bunch of PC boxes in KWartzlab, which are all blank HDDs.    This will involve basic magics such as gettinga PC to boot from a CD, understanding basic partitioning concepts, etc
[00:08] <dscassel> Awesome.
[00:09] <BobJonkman> Can participants bring their own computer for an install?
[00:09] <singpolyma> BobJonkman: Certainly, if they actually want a PC installed that would make sense
[00:09] <dscassel> So kinda an install fest, but with more theory and background...
[00:10] <singpolyma> Right. The big different from an install fest is that I'm targetting understanding by novices of the existance of OSs and booting from CDs, and not so much targetting having people actually walk away with a working Ubuntu system
[00:10] <singpolyma> but if people want a working Ubuntu system, it's a great opportunity for that as well
[00:11] <dscassel> Sadly I can't be there, but I think it's a great thing.
[00:11] <BobJonkman> Do you need assistants?
[00:11] <jlamothe> I don't know if I'll be able to be there (I was hoping to) can someone take lots of pictures for the blog?
[00:11] <dscassel> I want to write up something afterwards for a blog post or something...
[00:12]  * dscassel then skeptically wonders if he has time in the next week or so
[00:13] <dscassel> So, great! Thanks, singpolyma.
[00:13] <singpolyma> BobJonkman: assistants would be appreciated, but it will depend on how many people tehre ary
[00:13]  * BobJonkman has another thing until at least 8:00pm, so not sure how useful that limited assistance would be
[00:14] <IdleOne> Evening folks
[00:15] <jlamothe> Greetings and salutations.
[00:15] <IdleOne> singpolyma: that sounds like a great idea and fun too
[00:15] <dscassel> For the next meeting and subsequent meetings, I want to move the meeting immediately before the Waterloo Ubuntu Hour.
[00:15] <dscassel> Hi IdleOne!
[00:15] <IdleOne> heya dscassel :)
[00:16] <dscassel> So the next one will be Wednesday, August 15 at 7pm EDT.
[00:16] <txwikinger> hi
[00:16] <BobJonkman> dscassel: How convenient for me!
[00:16] <hakimsheriff> Works for me too
[00:16] <dscassel> BobJonkman: And me! I keep getting distracted at Kwartzlab.
[00:16] <dscassel> (which is where I am now)
[00:16] <jlamothe> Where?
[00:17] <dscassel> jlamothe: ssh.
[00:17] <BobJonkman> Ubuntu Hour Waterloo is currently being held at the Duke of Wellington in Waterloo
[00:17] <BobJonkman> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1827/detail/
[00:18] <dscassel> BobJonkman: But that might change in the future... Not that I have any better ideas right now. :)
[00:18] <genii-around> I'll be on vacation but there may be some form of internet there
[00:19] <IdleOne> where ya going and can i come?
[00:20] <IdleOne> actually, I don't care
[00:20] <genii-around> IdleOne: Apsley, Ont
[00:20] <IdleOne> can I come no matter where it is
[00:20] <genii-around> Is a family thing
[00:20] <IdleOne> In that case I will not intrude
[00:21]  * IdleOne walks away crying a little bit and mumbling something about gonna get him for this.
[00:21] <genii-around> Heh
[00:21] <dscassel> IdleOne: I'm going to Disney World next week.  I'll be a little occupied with a friend's wedding, but hey, if you can make your way down there...
[00:21] <IdleOne> Can't do that either. Homeland Security and me don't get along so much
[00:22] <BobJonkman> The only objection I can see to making the IRC chat an hour earlier is that it's still business hours on the West Coast (4:00pm PDT)
[00:22] <dscassel> KombuchaKip: Is that a problem? (You may speak for your time zone).
[00:24] <dscassel> Speaking of Ubuntu Hours, we're still running with just the two in Kitchener and up the road in Waterloo.
[00:24] <txwikinger> Who is getting marred at Disney World? Mickey Mouse?
[00:24] <KombuchaKip> dscassel: I think he is right, but then nearly any time we pick will be inconvenient for some timezone. For myself though, it isn't an issue.
[00:24] <dscassel> txwikinger: No, but they've been known to wear the ears occasionally.
[00:26] <txwikinger> dscassel: Not sure the ears will go through the TSA
[00:26] <genii-around> Anything on for Global Jam?
[00:27] <txwikinger> Lot of global and lot of jamming genii-around
[00:27] <dscassel> txwikinger: That's why they're in checked baggage.
[00:27] <dscassel> genii-around: I've got a conflict that weekend, but yeat, it's Sept. 7-9.
[00:27] <genii-around> txwikinger: I was wondering if we specifically have plans yet :-)
[00:27] <txwikinger> ohah.. explosive ears in the baggage
[00:28] <genii-around> Maybe I could do something here with Sammy
[00:28] <txwikinger> genii-around: Historically we always had some kind of plan .. so probably yes
[00:28] <dscassel> We'll be doing something Sept 8, probably, but that's not official yet.
[00:28] <dscassel> genii-around: You should do something with Sammy. :)
[00:29] <genii-around> OK ( makes notes )
[00:29]  * txwikinger looks in calendar and sees an open spot
[00:29] <genii-around> Someone yelling, be back if it's not some real emergency ( I'm still at work )
[00:30] <dscassel> Hardware install testing is helpful, if nothing else.
[00:30] <BobJonkman> I may have occasion to be in Toronto, what with the school year starting and young 'uns needing to be ferried to Uni
[00:30] <dscassel> txwikinger: Are you free to run it?  I may be need to be in and out doing other stuff.
[00:30] <txwikinger> dscassel: Yeah.. I should be free
[00:30] <dscassel> Excellent.
[00:31] <txwikinger> i can keep the children behave
[00:32] <dscassel> Hey, BobJonkman, What's Sysadmin Appreciate Day?
[00:32] <dscassel> http://www.sysadminday.com/whatsysadmin.html
[00:32] <dscassel> And why does the person in the photo look like they've hanged themselves on cat 5 cable?
[00:32] <BobJonkman> System Administrators look after computer stuff.
[00:33] <BobJonkman> Most people who use that computer stuff don't realize what a stressful job it is looking after it.  SysAdmins must feel underappreciated 364 days of the year (and 365 days this year)
[00:34] <txwikinger> Its a bit like teachersfeel
[00:34] <BobJonkman> Surely there must be some System Administrators who look after Ubuntu-running computers.
[00:34] <genii-around> Back
[00:34] <dscassel> I'm sure there might be a couple.
[00:36] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Is there something you'd like to do to celebrate?
[00:36] <BobJonkman> Funny you should ask. In the KW area I'm organizing a SysAdminDay dinner.  http://bob.jonkman.ca/blogs/2012/07/10/system-administrator-appreciation-day-dinner/  Mostly just so us SysAdmins can have a chance to swap stories over an eggroll or several.
[00:36] <jlamothe> genii-around: Nobody was on fire?
[00:37] <genii-around> BobJonkman: I'm out of town July 16-22 and Aug 11-18 but if yer around otherwise, feel free to visit!
[00:37] <genii-around> jlamothe: Luckily not!
[00:37] <BobJonkman> genii-around: Hopefully there'll be some Ubuntu Jamming in Toronto on the weekend of 8 September
[00:38] <txwikinger> Canonical has a lot of sys admins for that
[00:38] <genii-around> I'll try to line something up. If nothing else maybe the basement here, I can use a space about 2000 sq feet for whatever i want
[00:39] <dscassel> The other coming-up thing is Software Freedom Day, September 15th.
[00:40] <dscassel> I don't know if there's anything I can do about that quite yet.
[00:40] <genii-around> Hopefully RMS stays somewhere far away...
[00:40] <txwikinger> Not sure if working centre is doing something again
[00:41] <BobJonkman> I think The Working Centre is feeling a bit strapped for resources.  And Computer Recycling is no longer open on Saturdays
[00:41] <txwikinger> Freedom day and global jamming should really be at the same time
[00:41] <dscassel> genii-around: Don't be like that. RMS is a lovable beligerant, the definition of the radical extreme who allows me to be the mushy middle.
[00:41] <dscassel> I appreciate that.
[00:42] <BobJonkman> If it weren't for RMS all the rest of us would look like radicals
[00:42] <dscassel> txwikinger: They're pretty different events, really.
[00:42] <txwikinger> BobJonkman: You look like a radical in any case ;-)
[00:42] <genii-around> OK, I'll lay off the Stallman :-)
[00:42] <jlamothe> Also, if we don't have the radicals like RMS, the radicals like Jobs take everything over.
[00:42] <txwikinger> dscassel: Yeah.. but some people have a life beyond Ubuntu
[00:43] <dscassel> txwikinger: Tell me about it. That's why I'm hoping the KWLUG people pick up the SFD slack.
[00:43] <dscassel> And I can maybe drop by with CDs or something.
[00:43] <genii-around> Oh, reminds me to check GTALUG sched
[00:43] <txwikinger> dscassel: I probably do my own SFD in June 2013 :-D
[00:44]  * dscassel hums the free software song to himself.
[00:44] <BobJonkman> genii-around: missed it, TLUG is meeting nwo...
[00:44] <genii-around> Yup
[00:44] <BobJonkman> /nwo/now
[00:44] <txwikinger> dscassel: You hum very loud.. I can hear you
[00:45] <jlamothe> txwikinger: I can't and I'm the same room.  :P
[00:45] <genii-around> BobJonkman: I just wanted to hit one or two before global jam or so on, do some PR, etc
[00:45] <txwikinger> jlamothe: I have better hearing than you ;-p
[00:46] <jlamothe> txwikinger: I won't dispute that.
[00:46]  * jlamothe has terrible hearing.
[00:47] <dscassel> <15min left.
[00:47] <dscassel> Hm...
[00:47] <dscassel> txwikinger: How's that website going?
[00:47]  * genii-around ponders team reports
[00:48] <BobJonkman> Good news on the Team Reports front: I've been poking at them; April-June are done.  Still need Nov-Mar  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/TeamReports
[00:48] <txwikinger> I do not think anything has been done yet
[00:48] <dscassel> genii-around: I'm wondering about them too.
[00:48] <txwikinger> I have to look if I find something for drupal7 but I think most Ubuntu stuff is now on wordpress
[00:48] <genii-around> BobJonkman: Yay! Progress
[00:49] <BobJonkman> Team Reports are actually easier to do than IRC Meeting Minutes
[00:49] <jlamothe> BobJonkman: Can't you just use a log?
[00:49] <txwikinger> A lot of bureaucracy for a couple of CDs
[00:50] <BobJonkman> jlamothe: There's an Ubuntu Meeting bot, but it requires that the meetings be very formal and strictly run.
[00:50] <BobJonkman> I don't think that's in our nature
[00:50]  * jlamothe wears his pants on his head.
[00:50] <jlamothe> Nope.
[00:50] <genii-around> If there's anything i can do that might take like 1/2hr-1hour a day weekdays to help, lemme know. I'm usually just sitting here online
[00:51] <dscassel> txwikinger: I think the main thing is giving people access.
[00:51] <txwikinger> genii-around: change the drupal6 theme to drupal7
[00:51] <txwikinger> Well. if people ask me I try to satisfy them
[00:51] <IdleOne> BobJonkman: The bot doesn't require it but it can be used to do very "business" like meetings.
[00:52] <txwikinger> I have given several people the drupal6 theme but nobody has come back
[00:52] <genii-around> txwikinger: I don't know anything about drupal but i could set up a test box here and tinker with it first to get familiar
[00:52] <IdleOne> BobJonkman: assuming you meant meetingology
[00:52] <txwikinger> If I would have time I could do it... but the last year was crazy and this summer will be even crazier
[00:52] <BobJonkman> Anyway, by reading the IRC log and summarizing manually, I get to write the future history of the Canadian Team
[00:53] <BobJonkman> IdleOne: That's the one
[00:53] <txwikinger> future history? Nice oxymoron
[00:53] <IdleOne> BobJonkman: yeah, you can use it as formal as you like.
[00:53] <jlamothe> txwikinger: I believe they call it the present.
[00:54] <jlamothe> ...or less distant future.
[00:54]  * dscassel is currently distracted. Poke me if you need me specifically.
[00:54] <txwikinger> jlamothe: the present is evading me all the time
[00:54] <genii-around> LinuxMonkey: How goes in Moncton?
[00:54] <BobJonkman> Somehow, there always seems to be more history than future.
[00:55] <BobJonkman> IdleOne: If you can invite Meetingology to attend one of our IRC meetings, we can see how it works
[00:55]  * BobJonkman is not sure how to make that happen
[00:56] <IdleOne> BobJonkman: request has been placed
[00:56] <txwikinger> idleone can do that IIRC
[00:56] <BobJonkman> Cool!  Thanx, IdleOne!
[00:57] <IdleOne> Bot should join soon as the owner wakes up or notices the request. He may require a team lead to approve the request for officialness
[00:58] <IdleOne> AlanBell is the owner btw, you can find him around #Ubuntu*land
[00:58] <dscassel> Thanks, IdleOne :)
[01:00] <IdleOne> Sure thing.
[01:01] <dscassel> It's 9pm (my time) so that probably wraps things up.
[01:01] <IdleOne> or beer time+4
[01:01] <dscassel> Renewal doesn't happen until November, probably, so we have time to put that off another month.
[01:01] <txwikinger> And cut!
[01:01] <dscassel> But feel free to keep chatting. :)
[01:01] <BobJonkman> Should we plan to panic soon for the Canadian Team LoCo renewal?
[01:02] <genii-around> I sure as hell hope not
[01:02] <BobJonkman> Ah.  Reading slower than I'm writing
[01:02] <dscassel> BobJonkman: We can wait to panic until after 12.10.
[01:02] <BobJonkman> I'll put it on the Event Schedule :)
[01:02] <dscassel> Hurray!
[01:03]  * genii-around starts thinking already now about 12.10 release plans
[01:03] <BobJonkman> FSOSS is in October too: http://fsoss.ca
[01:04] <txwikinger> Do they have info for this year already>
[01:04] <BobJonkman> The http://fsoss.ca/2011 page has info for 2012 dates
[01:05] <txwikinger> No Satuday this time
[01:06] <genii-around> Hm, 12.10 release and FSOSS overlap
[01:19] <genii-around> IdleOne: So maybe we try it next meeting?
[01:25] <IdleOne> genii-around: if we can get it in here
[01:25] <genii-around> OK
[01:25] <IdleOne> which i am pretty sure we can
[01:26] <genii-around> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology for the interested
[01:27] <hakimsheriff> K i gotta go everyine
[01:27] <hakimsheriff> *everyone
[01:27] <hakimsheriff> Bye!
[01:27]  * genii-around waves to hakimsheriff
[15:03] <IdleOne> For anybody who cares wiki.ubuntu-women.org has been fixed and no longer being reported as an attack site by google.
[15:12] <crond> sadly, I am not a woman, so that doesn't help me much
[15:54] <IdleOne> BobJonkman: :)
[15:54] <IdleOne> wiki.ubuntu-women.org has been fixed and no longer being reported as an attack site by google.
[15:54] <IdleOne> crond: I don't even...ok.
[15:54] <genii-around> Heh. I'm imagining now crazed Ubuntu women on the attack.....
[16:58] <BobJonkman> Hi IdleOne: Thanx for the update.
[19:31] <IdleOne> oh, btw meetingology is here too
[19:31] <IdleOne> #startmeeting This is a test
[19:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul 11 19:31:38 2012 UTC.  The chair is IdleOne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:31] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[19:31] <IdleOne> #topic This is a topic test
[19:32] <IdleOne> #endmeeting
[19:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jul 11 19:32:10 2012 UTC.
[19:32] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ca/2012/ubuntu-ca.2012-07-11-19.31.moin.txt
[19:32] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ca/2012/ubuntu-ca.2012-07-11-19.31.html
[19:38] <genii-around> IdleOne: I was in #meetingology last night tinkering with JoseeAntonioR, then watched them have a meeting using it in #xubuntu-devel this morning
[19:39] <IdleOne> the bot has lots of features that might not be needed for the meetings in here but one that is handy is the minutes it generates :)
[19:40] <IdleOne> easy to copy paste and email
[19:40] <genii-around> Yes. Also the minutes link also has the "full logs" link embedded so you can then just go there if something is unclear
[19:41] <IdleOne> yup
[19:42] <IdleOne> oh, it also makes them wiki friendly
[19:43] <genii-around> IdleOne: If you check http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-07-11-15.04.html  you can see how they are using it in there, and compare the minutes it made to the full log and see how pleia, knome etc used it in the channel


[21:03] <AlanBell> http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-r/ can you see that?
[21:07] <daker-cloud> yes :) i can it
[21:09] <AlanBell> thanks
[21:10] <AlanBell> nothing interesting in it yet, just a default summit
[21:11] <AlanBell> http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-r/meeting/1/happy-hour/ with etherpad lite in it
[21:11] <AlanBell> but no fancy integration yet
[21:13]  * AlanBell reboots the etherpad-lite server, that bit will be broken for a sec
[23:30] <AlanBell> http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-r/projector/kitchen/
[23:30] <AlanBell> prototype for the projector page layout
[23:31] <AlanBell> total size is 1280x800 which is the projector resolution
[23:31] <AlanBell> room and current meeting name in the banner at the top, along with a clock and countdown to the end of the session
[23:31] <AlanBell> in the footer, details of the next sessions
[23:47] <daker-cloud> AlanBell: what do you think http://people.ubuntu.com/~daker/demo/test.html ?


[06:21] <micahg> can someone give hplip back please?
[06:28] <ajmitch> micahg: ok
[06:29] <micahg> ajmitch: thanks
[13:14] <mdke> Laney: thanks, I will play around with that and see if I can make it work
[13:16] <mdke> Laney: sorry for the delay in responding, I haven't checked irc for a while
[13:38] <DooMMasteR> hi there
[13:39] <DooMMasteR> anyone keen to update the netatalk package to 2.2.0?
[13:39] <DooMMasteR> it is still at version 2.1.4 which is nearly one year old
[13:39] <DooMMasteR> and only 2.2.0 supports Mac OS X Lion
[13:40] <infinity> DooMMasteR: oneiric is on 2.2~beta4.
[13:41] <DooMMasteR> isn't 2.2.0 final?
[13:41] <infinity> DooMMasteR: Getting older releases updated would require either decent backported patches for just the Lion support, or a well-thought-out bug with reasoning why we need to upgrade the a new upstream.
[13:41] <infinity> DooMMasteR: I'm sure oneiric will get the final release soon enough.
[13:41] <DooMMasteR> hmm ok
[13:42] <DooMMasteR> atm TimeMachine backups are not working to my Ubuntu server
[13:42] <DooMMasteR> and so I will porbably have to make my own build of 2.2.0
[13:43] <DooMMasteR> thx for the info infinity
[13:58] <mdke> Laney: I added something to revision 11 in bzr lp:ubuntu-docs but it doesn't seem to be working. Not sure why - will play around a bit more later but any pointer you can give would be much appreciated
[17:17] <Laney> mdke: think it needs to be in preinst actually, testing
[17:17] <Laney> ♥ lintian lab
[17:24] <Laney> mdke: try this http://paste.debian.net/124690/
[22:15] <micahg> can someone give back libxml2 please?
[22:18] <ajmitch> micahg: looks like it's done already
[22:19] <micahg> ajmitch: thanks for trying :)
[22:19] <stgraber> yep, I did it
[22:20] <micahg> thanks stgraber