[03:25] <mbff> Hello! Ubuntu seems to be preventing port forwarded traffic (I've tried Nginx and a python web server). Clients on the lan get a response. I've tried disabling UFW and I am seeing logs in tcp dump so the traffic seems to be getting to server.
[03:26] <mbff> One note would be that the port forwarded traffic isn't "internet" traffic but local traffic from the router "above" my router.
[03:26] <mason> mbff: iptables -n --list
[03:27] <mason> mbff: Also worth mentioning if this box is sitting on a LAN, is a gateway, is otherwise doing something interesting.
[03:28] <mbff> https://gist.github.com/marshallford/fb968423928a945dcb2a452f130ddd16
[03:29] <mason> So, yeah, that's a bunch of rules with a default policy of "drop".
[03:29] <mbff> the ubuntu server running the web server is on a LAN inside a LAN. The inner network is 10.0.X, the outer 192.168.X. I am trying to hit the webserver from the 192.168.X ip, one NAT "up"
[03:30] <mbff> mason, I can disable ufw to help narrow down things
[03:30] <mason> mbff: I'm not immediately clear on what all the docker rules are accomplishing, but in general, clear your iptables rules out and slowly build up.
[03:31] <mason> If you're using random tools to build firewalls for you, make sure you understand how to tell them what you want.
[03:32] <mbff> I do know how to tell ufw what I want. I am very explict in my setup script/automation
[03:32] <mbff> the docker rules are added by, well docker
[03:32] <mbff> with ufw disabled: https://gist.github.com/marshallford/872911698f1eba780d47df57087dc635
[03:33] <mason> That's not a cleared out list of iptables. :P
[03:33] <mbff> right...
[03:33] <mason> That said, maybe reassert all the rules, like what you'd get freshly booting, and look at hit counts. But since something is setting you up as default-drop, it might not be explicit rules knocking down packets.
[03:34] <mason> So, iptables -n -v --list
[03:34] <mason> or -L - not sure why I default to the long argument for list. =cough=
[03:35] <mason> Being a dinosaur, I build explicit rules and invoke them from /etc/network/interfaces, and it ends up never being mysterious, which I see as a win.
[03:36] <mbff> "Being a dinosaur" :)
[03:37] <mbff> iptables with verbose flag: https://gist.github.com/marshallford/e9edd9699f7869aaaaea6ea8f94135f4
[03:38] <mbff> how would I check hit counts?
[03:38] <mason> mbff: Anyway, here's what I'd do. Maybe someone will have a better idea. Reboot, get all your rules up as normal, and see some traffic knocked down. Then pick one of iptables -v -n -L to see what rules are hitting. If none, change your default policy to ACCEPT with iptables -P and see if that lets traffic in. If it does, you'll have to craft rules to explicitly accept the stuff that's otherwise being
[03:38] <mason> dropped.
[03:41] <mason> Sorry, you get the hit counts from the -v
[03:42] <mbff> mkay
[03:46] <mbff> mason, this ufw-not-local chain seems suspicious
[03:46] <mason> mbff: Yeah, it has a couple hits.
[03:47] <mason> You want to generate the traffic that's being blocked and see if the hit count rises.
[03:48] <mbff> should I look up the pkts or bytes number?
[03:49] <mbff> ADDRTYPE match dst-type BROADCAST seems to be going up
[03:53] <mason> mbff: I'd think packets, because bytecount will vary based on how big the packets are.
[03:53] <mbff> My guess is one of the ufw auto generated rules is blocking requests from IPS that are class A,B,C that aren't the in the range of it's own ip class.
[03:53] <mason> mbff: Generate that traffic and watch the packet counts. No need to guess! :)
[03:54] <mbff> Can I get iptables to show me the change in traffic packets between rules? I have no idea which rule it is
[03:54] <mbff> Like can iptables narrow down output based on change
[03:57] <mason> mbff: save a series of outputs, and use diff to see what changed
[03:58] <mason> You can turn on logging to see hits logged, but that's too much work for this.
[04:01] <mbff> the diff is helping, but still a lot has changed
[04:02] <mbff> Would target RETURN cause the issue I am having?
[04:06] <mason> mbff: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/191607/iptables-and-return-target#191614
[04:06] <mason> so it's not a target as such
[04:06] <mason> mbff: But if nothing explicitly accepts the traffic, your default DROP will get it.
[04:08] <mbff> After looking at the diff, I don't see anything that stands out.
[04:09] <mbff> How can I completly reset iptables, back to the system default before ufw was installed
[04:11] <mason> mbff: I'd reboot and get whatever comes up on boot, and try your blocked traffic after manually changing the policies to ACCEPT.
[04:12] <mason> That'll tell you if it's the default getting you.
[04:13] <qman__> mbff: you can clear chains with iptables -F (must do nat and mangle separately, iptables -t nat -F, ...)
[04:13] <qman__> and you can remove chains with iptables -X
[04:13] <mason> qman__: He needs to be careful with this, because flushing tables with a default DROP will lock him out if he's not on the console.
[04:13] <qman__> yep, was about to mention setting policy
[04:14] <qman__> iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
[04:14] <mbff> here is the thing, this worked traffic worked earlier today on a base install of ubuntu server that was up to date.
[04:15] <mbff> So something in my ansible scripts (including ufw scripts) caused this, most likely
[04:15] <mason> mbff: A base install doesn't have a default DROP does it? Then again, I don't run ufw.
[04:15] <mbff> ufw isn't in the base install
[04:16] <qman__> no, the base install has no rules and ACCEPT policies
[04:17] <mbff> so mostly likely ufw has some default rules it doesn't tell you about that are screwing me over
[04:18] <mbff> can I safetly run iptables -X ? I'm worried about docker rules coming back properly, since I didn
[04:18] <mbff> didn't write those
[04:18] <mason> mbff: Well. If you don't see a specific rule going up as that traffic is dropped, you'll want to add rules to explicitly allow the profile of whatever traffic you need to come in.
[04:18] <mason> mbff: That stuff will come back on boot if it's set up properly.
[04:19] <mbff> I do though, my script runs ufw allow 80
[04:19] <mason> Reboot and see the world from that perspective, and see if changing policy temporarily fixes you.
[04:19] <mason> If it does, do whatever ufw requires to allow the specific traffic you want.
[04:19] <mbff> i have done that, `ufw allow 80`
[04:20] <qman__> no, if you're running docker, it's not safe to flush iptables out or delete chains
[04:20] <qman__> docker does its own mangling of iptables
[04:20] <mason> A blanket allow like that might be too wide.
[04:20] <mbff> I'm not really using it atm, I don't care about docker short term
[04:20] <mbff> using docker*
[04:21] <qman__> if you don't care about breaking running apps, then yes, you can flush everything out; set policies to accept first, then flush, then delete chains
[04:26] <mbff> Still not working, my iptables look like https://gist.github.com/marshallford/a00d38d0ad02eabe0cc074974538d4d6
[04:26] <mbff> I'm wondering if this isn't a firewall issue
[04:26] <qman__> that is effectively no firewall, so I'd say so
[04:26] <mason> mbff: If it's not working with that, then it might not be a firewall issue. Look at your routing tables next...
[04:27] <mason> netstat -rn
[04:27] <mason> make sure you have a way to reply I guess?
[04:27] <mason> maybe use wireshark/tshark and make sure what's hitting your server is sane
[04:27] <qman__> yeap
[04:27] <qman__> also check your nat table
[04:27] <mason> maybe use wireshark on the other end of the connection and verify both ends at once
[04:27] <qman__> iptables -nvL -t nat
[04:28] <qman__> it shouldn't have anything in it, but if it does, it could break things
[04:28] <mbff> wep I am overwhelmed by advice, not a bad thing I guess haha
[04:29] <mason> mbff: Just save it all for later reference. :)
[04:31] <mbff> I figured it out!
[04:32] <mason> What was it?
[04:32] <mason> And congrats. :)
[04:32] <mbff> When openvpn is running, it doesn't work
[04:32] <mbff> when I run service openvpn stop && service nginx restart, It works
[04:32] <mason> mbff: Ah.  Check your routing tables, and if you can, add specific routes to do the right thing and tie the traffic that shouldn't go over OpenVPN to a real interface.
[04:33] <mbff> mason, I understand those words...
[04:34] <mbff> I have not done any route work before
[04:34] <sarnold> oh you are in for a treat^Wfrustrating evening! :)
[04:34] <mbff> lol
[04:34] <mbff> That's the reason I have this homelab
[04:34] <mason> mbff: netstat -rn or whatever the mystical new ip equivalent is to start
[04:34] <mbff> to learn
[04:34] <sarnold> seriously though, 'ip route get' is amazing stuff.
[04:35] <mason> mbff: In essence, what you're going to find is that your OpenVPN wants to grab traffic that matches the stuff coming in from your nat.
[04:35] <mason> Is there an 'ip route discard' to go with it?
[04:36] <sarnold> haha :D
[04:36] <mason> mbff: So, as an example here, I have a VPN that's greedy and wants to grab a big range, so I shove in a more-specific rule in front of that to save local traffic from being gobbled up.
[04:36] <mason> This way, my local traffic doesn't get sucked into a black hole, but I don't have to deal with a conflict with the VPN either.
[04:37] <mason> If there were systems on the other side of the VPN that used my local range I'd be stuck, but there aren't, so it works. You might end up wanting to do something similar.
[04:37] <mason> And if it's confusing, I apologize. Just be glad you're dealing with static routes. :)
[04:37] <mbff> I don't even know how to filter my problem
[04:37] <mbff> out
[04:40] <mbff> this guy has my same problem https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2296618
[04:40] <mason> mbff: FWIW, use sarnold's ip route get foo syntax to be compliant with the modern world, but try netstat -rn for more human-parseable view of what's going on.
[04:41] <sarnold> mbff: be careful with forum posts .. it's too easy to find similar symptoms and get dragged off into the weeds chasing someone else's advice ..
[04:42] <qman__> mbff: openvpn client? if so, make sure your openvpn config is not adding a default route over the VPN - this is most likely the issue
[04:42] <sarnold> mbff: in this case it might actually be perfect :) has your openvpn been configured to send *all* traffic on the machine through the pipe? that might be ideal if you're trying to get out from the great wall of china or something but rough if you just want a few systems linked together..
[04:42] <mbff> I'm looking at it, I just don't understand how to parse it, I don't fully understand the terms and how they related to form the "story" X traffic goes to Y if Z" for example
[04:43] <mbff> sarnold, the vpn is not for connecting sites, strictly for ip masking, privacy, etc
[04:44] <sarnold> this might not be easy to fix
[04:44] <qman__> it may not be fixable, they're essentially incompatible configurations
[04:45] <qman__> it's possible in theory to convince the kernel to return the incoming traffic locally instead of following the default route, but it depends on the VPN's implementation
[04:46] <mbff> this guy solved the problem with a change the openvpn config https://serverfault.com/questions/614281/openvpn-client-breaks-remote-access-to-web-server
[04:49] <sarnold> he probably did not want to use openvpn for ip masking and privacy in the same way that you do.
[04:51]  * mbff shrugs
[04:51] <qman__> that might actually be the config you're looking for, it effectively sets routes for all outbound traffic over the VPN without disrupting the default route and without using the redirect-gateway feature
[04:52] <qman__> you'll have to test it though
[04:53] <mbff> what does <IP_ADDRESS> mean? It seems arbitrary?
[04:53] <qman__> it is arbitrary
[04:53] <qman__> normally, a default route is set for <IP_ADDRESS>/0
[04:53] <qman__> this configuration is setting routes for <IP_ADDRESS>/1 and <IP_ADDRESS>/1
[04:53] <qman__> they're narrower, scopes, splitting all address space in half
[04:54] <sarnold> hah I'd argue that is very much NOT arbitrary :)
[04:54] <qman__> because they're narrower, they're preferred over the default route
[04:54] <sarnold> I mean you could achieve similar things with dozens of other configs .. but this is the simplest
[04:54] <mbff> so how would I figure out what routes/numbers I need?
[04:55] <qman__> those are the exact routes you'd need
[04:55] <qman__> it doesn't change
[04:55] <mbff> ie: why not <IP_ADDRESS>/1
[04:55] <sarnold> because that's not a well-formed CIDR input
[04:55] <qman__> because <IP_ADDRESS>/1 covers from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>, while <IP_ADDRESS>/1 covers <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:55] <sarnold> (seriously, some tools have such a panic with that, security problems and all..)
[04:56] <mbff> I worried I'm exposing my real ip to sites that start with 128.X
[04:56] <sarnold> it'd be 128.x-<IP_ADDRESS>...
[04:56] <qman__> those two routes cover the entirety of the ipv4 address space
[04:56] <mbff> like I said, I'm new to some of this networking stuff outside the typically lan world
[04:56] <qman__> so, provided it works at all, it will work for all destination IPs
[04:57] <mbff> I'll trust yall... :)
[04:57] <sarnold> if it matters, it'd be worth *testing* this on non-hostile services first..
[04:57] <qman__> yes
[04:58] <qman__> change the config, reconnect, and test with an IP checking service, like ipof.me
[04:59] <mbff> curl ifconfig.co gives me my real ip, but openvpn is running and the port forwarded traffic is getting though
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:14] <jamespage> coreycb: ok where I got to was we should patch msgpack -> msgpack-python
[11:15] <jamespage> keystone and oslo.* done
[11:41] <jamespage> coreycb: keystone done; moving onto barbican for rc1
[11:45] <jamespage> and congress and designate-*
[11:50] <jamespage> and then heat
[12:24] <jamespage> coreycb: I've moved branch builds over to stable/queens as well
[12:24] <jamespage> not sure all projects have cut those yet but its easier to mass move and then deal with excpetions
[12:30] <jamespage> coreycb: oging to horizon next
[12:57] <coreycb> jamespage: great, thanks
[13:34] <coreycb> jamespage: ok going to start on what's left. i'll work backward from z*.
[14:51] <jamespage> coreycb: okies
[15:11] <jamespage> coreycb: did you have a barbicanclient update in the works?
[15:11] <joop> hello
[15:12] <coreycb> jamespage: nope, that must be new
[15:12] <jamespage> coreycb: yeah heat needs it
[15:12] <joop> i would like to ask you some couple of question setting up a ubuntu server
[15:12] <jamespage> coreycb: lemme sort that out
[15:12] <joop> i need to run a php web app
[15:12] <joop> i installed apache2
[15:13] <joop> but it doest not show only a blank page,afterall i installed xampp,which use apache
[15:13] <joop> so they have conflict with apache2
[15:13] <joop> but main question is,i tried to intall webmin
[15:14] <joop> but the requested jcameron-key.asc file is not found anymore
[15:14] <coreycb> jamespage: oh i see, it's not in the upstream report for some reason. i'll figure out why.
[15:14] <joop> my question is how can i install webmin,and do i need actually or xampp do the same
[15:29] <coreycb> jamespage: done back to sahara. getting trove and vpnaas next.
[16:46] <rbasak> nacc: I don't see sssd in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg ?
[16:46] <rbasak> I'd expect to see it there.
[16:46] <rbasak> Though it is in excuses
[16:46] <nacc> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed
[16:46] <nacc> rbasak: the svg doesn't show everything, aiui
[17:06] <coreycb> jamespage: working on the m* pkgs
[17:07] <administrador_> hi
[17:07] <administrador_> im trying to do wake on lan with nagios
[17:07] <jamespage> coreycb: horizon, designate and barbican done
[17:29] <dpb1> rbasak: looking at that https everywhere bug, the one that carries the most weight is hiding the packages you are downloading.  that is hard to refute.
[17:33] <rbasak> dpb1: HTTPS doesn't really hide that though. The package sizes, the dependency tree and recently published updates are all well known. That's enough to infer what you just downloaded.
[17:33] <rbasak> dpb1: if I had the time, I could write the tool to do it.
[17:34] <dpb1> hm
[17:37] <dpb1> rbasak: thanks, yes, interesting discussion
[17:41] <sdeziel> I suppose the above discussion is about HTTPS mirrors for apt, right?
[17:41] <dpb1> sdeziel: yes
[17:42] <sdeziel> dpb1: there is one paper including a security analysis of various package manager: https://isis.poly.edu/~jcappos/papers/cappos_mirror_ccs_08.pdf
[17:43] <sdeziel> dpb1: rbasak: one of the benefit of using HTTPS was to defeat replay attacks and I believe this could happen when the connection to  security.ubuntu.com is MITM
[17:43] <sdeziel> dpb1: rbasak: presumably having HTTPS on just security.ubuntu.com would prevent this without the nightmare associated with HTTPS mirrors
[17:44] <sdeziel> would be nice for the PPAs to also get HTTPS because they are only signed with a 1024 bit GPG key IIRC
[17:45] <dpb1> sdeziel: ya, all the attacks in 3.1 seem relavent actually
[17:48] <sdeziel> dpb1: the "arbitrary package" and "extraneous dependencies" would fail GPG validation IMHO
[17:48] <sdeziel> but I haven't read the paper carefully
[17:53] <sdeziel> dpb1: could you share the bug number please? I couldn't find it quickly and would like to track it
[17:56] <sdeziel> https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/stork/packagemanagersecurity/otherattacks.html says that apt is subject to the endless data attack
[17:57] <dpb1> sdeziel: ya, I had it, one sec
[17:57] <dpb1> sdeziel: here's the main one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1464064
[17:58] <sdeziel> dpb1: thanks
[17:58] <dpb1> sdeziel: thx for sharing your paper.  I think freezing, endless data and replay are all very interesting and would certainly be mitigated by https+cert pinning
[17:59] <sdeziel> dpb1: endless data shouldn't even be exploitable because everything is there to close it. I don't know if recent apt versions fixed that or not but it doesn't require HTTPS
[18:00] <dpb1> sdeziel: sure, the client should be proactive
[18:00] <dpb1> sdeziel: at least on trusty, I had times where I was in the gigs of transfer from a broken repo
[18:01] <dpb1> but maybe that is addressed now
[18:01] <sdeziel> yeah, that's what I'd like to know :)
[18:34] <sbeattie> sdeziel: new ppa gpg keys are 4096 bits. but they are per-owner, so those of us with an existing 1024 key can't ever seem to get out from under it, without creating a whole new launchpad identity.
[18:35] <sdeziel> sbeattie: hmm, that's interesting to say the least
[18:35] <jamespage> coreycb: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/357025783/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.heat_1%3A10.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu18.04.1~ppa201802141302_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:36] <jamespage> I think we need new sdk
[18:36] <sbeattie> sdeziel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1240681 is where the default got bumped to 4096.
[18:37] <coreycb> jamespage: i can get that
[18:37] <jamespage> coreycb: ta
[18:37] <jamespage> coreycb: the min barbicanclient version in global-requirements is to low as well
[18:38] <sdeziel> sbeattie: I sure would have hope for a way to transition to a newer key
[18:39] <sbeattie> +1
[18:40] <sdeziel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1331914
[19:43] <rbasak> sdeziel: yeah, already noted. Valid-Until and Check-Valid-Until can mitigate that, but in the HTTPS case it'd be noticed quicker.


[01:07] <ahoneybun> something is up with suspanding and locking
[04:39] <ronnoc> Riddell: Your article is getting a lot of comments on The Hacker News :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9237199
[04:53] <valorie> ronnoc: disappointing that most of the comments are about anything but Kubuntu though
[05:10] <ronnoc> valorie: true but there are some good ones in there specifically about Kubuntu as well which is always nice to see :)
[05:12] <valorie> indeed, what was said was almost all good
[09:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:54] <Riddell> hi lordievader
[09:54] <Riddell> ronnoc: which is why it would be great if you made a kubuntu wire article with highlights from some of the comments :)
[09:55] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you?
[09:57] <Riddell> lordievader: I'm pretty awesome
[09:57] <Riddell> I think once I've had breakfast I'll be very awesome
[09:58] <Riddell> then I'll see if I can tackle these libreoffice icons
[09:59] <lordievader> That's good to hear :)
[10:02] <Riddell> lordievader: how's yourself? have you considered coming to akademy?
[10:55] <lordievader> Riddell: Err, quite busy today. Doing some server upgrades.
[11:42] <hjd> Hi all :) The Kubuntu installer for Vivid seems to show the slideshow at the end untranslated for some reason. The rest of the installer is localized when you pick a language, but it seems like it doesn't have any effect when you get to the slideshow. Fwiw, with an Ubuntu disc image, the slideshow is translated (see bug 1429475 for more info)
[11:43] <Riddell> hjd: hmm interesting
[11:44] <Riddell> maybe there are no translations with the new updates?
[11:44] <Riddell> but there should be at least some, most of the text didn't change
[11:45] <Jiyuhen> Hi folks! Quick question, if I want to compress media files to save up hdd space and such, is rar or the linux tar.gz compression better?
[11:48] <Riddell> Jiyuhen: user questions best in #kubuntu, but most media files are already as compressed as they can be as part of the codec
[11:49] <Jiyuhen> Riddell: Thanks , I keep  that in mind :)
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:15] <Jiyuhen> BluesKaj: Hey Blues!
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hi Jiyuhen
[12:34] <Jiyuhen> BluesKaj:  How are things today?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> just fine thanks Jiyuhen, How about you ?
[12:35] <Jiyuhen> BluesKaj: Good! Spend some time cleaning my "storage" drive and am now looking into Phyton
[12:35] <Jiyuhen> Python
[12:37] <BluesKaj> ok , not very knowledgable about pytho except the python scripts I found on the TIVO sites for networking the device between pcs and it's hdd
[12:37] <BluesKaj> python that is
[12:42] <BluesKaj> brb
[12:44] <Jiyuhen> kk
[13:20] <lordievader> Jiyuhen: Whoo Python :D
[13:21] <Jiyuhen> lordievader: I like the syntax, unlike that of any C type language. Do you program in Phyton ?
[13:22] <lordievader> Jiyuhen: From my reaction ;), yes.
[13:22] <Jiyuhen> lordievader: lol! Sweet surprise! ;-)
[13:23] <lordievader> Hehe, is it?
[13:23] <Jiyuhen> lordievader: And you are from the netherlands, right?
[13:23] <Jiyuhen> But cool, so when I get stuck, is it ok, to hit you up?
[13:24] <Sho_> If you're coding a KDE app in Python you can also always ask #kde-devel or contact KDE's programming mentoring team
[13:27] <lordievader> Jiyuhen: Yes, and sure ;)
[13:27] <lordievader> PyQt ftw \o/
[13:28] <Jiyuhen> Sho_:  Awesome tip, I chop that down for when I am more proficent. ;-)
[13:28] <Sho_> Any level is fine, we all started somewhere~
[13:28] <lordievader> True that
[13:28] <Jiyuhen> lordievader:  Thanks! :)
[13:52] <Jiyuhen> very true indeed :)
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Am I missing something here? Why can't systemsettings be luanched with root permissions as in previous versions? kdesudo systemsettings in the krunner was always available. What's the problem now ?
[14:06] <Sho_> Why would you need to, though?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> because I need to reset the fonts to be large enough/readable on my TV/monitor in order to edit some conf files etc, and the default toolbar fonts for example are too small to read.
[14:09] <Sho_> It should work if you're actually inside a root session, I guess
[14:09] <yofel> BluesKaj: it's called systemsettings5 now
[14:10] <BluesKaj> thanks yofel
[14:35] <BluesKaj> too bad the fonts set as root don't apply globally , only applies to the font setting inside systemsettings /fonts  :P
[14:36] <Sho_> settings for root apply to root
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Sho_, if it's opened as root it should apply globally to any file opened as root, at least it did in plasma 4
[14:38] <KDDA> in the favourite app menu, is there any way to make it the icons smaller or the area bigger, I want more favourites!
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Sho_, I mean the settings changed as root in systemsettings5
[14:40] <Sho_> BluesKaj: yeah, root's settings should apply to apps run as root ... unless the QPA plugin prefers the xprops of the running display these days
[14:42] <BluesKaj> another feature i miss and I'm sure others do too is the krunner dropdown that contained previous entries is missing
[14:43] <BluesKaj> xprpops?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> err xprops?
[14:47] <Sho_> tech stuff
[14:48] <Sho_> re krunner history, that's because the UI was rewritten in Qt Quick and the Qt Quick line edit widget doesn't work with the KCompletion framework right now
[15:08] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ping
[15:38] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin
[15:38] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: hi
[15:45] <BluesKaj> hey Riddell what or where's the ninja ppa?, can't seem to locate the 15.04 version
[15:46] <Riddell> BluesKaj: what are you after?
[15:46] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I pinged you for the message I left for you on trello
[15:48] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I seem to be missing some libs/packages that link to systemsettings driver manager for example
[15:50] <BluesKaj> Riddell, or am I on the wrong track ?
[15:51] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ninjas doesn't contain anything currently and drive manager isn't put in ninjas
[15:52] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell thanks
[15:53] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: ping
[15:54]  * BluesKaj wonders what is needed to make system settings work properly
[15:54] <Riddell> BluesKaj: do you have kubuntu-driver-manager installed?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Riddell, yes
[15:55] <ronnoc> Riddell: Heh..fair 'nuff :) I can do that in the AM tomorrow.  And coordinate with mparillo for the time being  for publishing / proofing since I don't have access atm.
[15:56] <ronnoc> mparillo: Speaking of...check this article out. WOuld be good to highligh the 2nd to last paragraph and post on the Wire - Good stuff. http://www.linds.net/archives/74
[15:57] <Riddell> ronnoc: something like http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=196 maybe
[15:57] <Riddell> ronnoc: I can give you access once you have put together something good to publish
[15:57] <ronnoc> OK
[16:01] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ping
[16:02] <mparillo> ronnoc: You have that one? One word of warning...if you use the Wire Interface to insert an image by uploading it first, the default URL of that image is the image itself. You can change it, of course.
[16:02] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: hm?
[16:02] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: is this news http://www.kubuntu.org/kde-sc-4.5.5 ?
[16:03] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: yes
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> then why isn't it under /news/ ?
[16:03] <yofel> sounds like a mistake
[16:03] <ovidiu-florin> yeah
[16:04] <ovidiu-florin> now I have to write a redirect rule for that
[16:04] <ovidiu-florin>  :(
[16:04] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you have you manually set the url so it's easy to make that sort of mistake
[16:04] <yofel> sry ^^
[16:04] <ovidiu-florin> I know
[16:04] <ovidiu-florin> I just wanted to check
[16:05] <ovidiu-florin> Wordpress does that automagicaly, and you can change it if you don't like the generated one
[16:05] <ovidiu-florin> it points to: http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/news/kde-releases-4-5-5/
[16:05] <ovidiu-florin> take a look at my current task: https://notes.kde.org/p/Kubuntu-new-site-pages-not-found
[16:06] <ovidiu-florin> make all those work
[16:11] <ronnoc> Riddell: There are good comments on your article all over the place. I'll curate and condense some from several sites to make the article.
[16:13] <ronnoc> mparillo: Yea I can write both articles in the next day or so. What's your email so that I can send them to you (for now)? I'll send them as formatted HTML articles for now with picture attachments.
[16:15] <Riddell> ronnoc: kubuntu-devel list will do
[16:16] <ronnoc> Got it, will do :)
[16:31] <Riddell> ronnoc, mparillo: oh and if either of you are in proofreader mode https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.2.2.php needs an eye over
[16:31] <Riddell> ronnoc, mparillo: also I've a volunteer to make a video of 15.04 who is asking for CC licenced music and a list of items to highlight
[16:31] <Riddell> so any input on that welcome :)
[16:44] <mparillo> Riddell: One little nit.
[16:44] <mparillo> Live Images
[16:44] <mparillo> The easiest way to try it out is the with a live image booted off a USB disk. Images are available for development versions of Kubuntu Plasma 5.
[16:46] <mparillo> I think the link goes to the old place where you separated Plasma 5 images from 4. I would simply send them here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[16:46] <Riddell> well spotted
[16:51] <mparillo> TY. Also the link from: Package download wiki page to: (the one I care about) https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu Somebody has been gradually cleaning up that section. But, I think the bit about to move to Vivid beta. Full instructions to upgrade from 14.10. might be obsolete. And I have not tested the newer version of the devel-release-upgrade since Beta 1. I assume we will want to test it sometime next
[16:51] <mparillo> week?
[16:56] <mparillo> ronnoc: You should be able to reach me at the first address here: https://launchpad.net/~marco-parillo (the second is only because bugs.kde.org publishes your e-mail, and I wanted a throw-away one).
[16:58] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: pong
[16:59] <ovidiu-florin> hey
[16:59] <ovidiu-florin> care to play around with that script and list again?
[17:00] <mparillo> Riddell: http://welltemperedclavier.org/ Music and license does not get any better than this http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/records-and-sheet-music-of-well-tempered-clavier-to-go-free
[17:05] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Not today.
[17:05] <lordievader> Busy with other things.
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:06] <soee> Riddell: what was the package name to get breeze style for gtk2 apps ?
[17:08] <Riddell> soee: apt search orion
[17:15] <soee> Riddell: orion ? is it some new one, im sure that few weeks ago it was sometgin else :)
[17:17] <Riddell> dunno if it's new, it's just the gtk theme I could find that had similar looking scrollbars to breeze
[17:20] <ronnoc> Riddell: re: the announcements - The section under 'Live Images' looks to be fixed-width formatted whereas the rest of the article appears to be left-justified. The only other niggle is that perhaps having both the social media icons and names looks a bit cluttered. I would only use the icons to clean it up.
[17:20] <ronnoc> Otherwise it looks good to me :)
[17:23] <soee> Riddell: ah, im talking about package that adds  QtCurve to thems fro GTK2 in system settings
[17:24] <soee> gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[17:25] <soee> this one i think
[17:50] <Riddell> ronnoc: you could also look for comments on http://jriddell.org/2015/03/18/kubuntu-15-04-heating-up/ I especially like "seriously, this thing is a wok of art." :)
[18:34] <sgclark> cool sddm is functioning for me now
[18:34]  * ahoneybun moved to 14.10
[18:41] <Riddell> sgclark: what changed?
[18:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: from what?
[18:41] <sgclark> Riddell: not sure really
[18:41] <sgclark> Riddell: oxygen hates me, fixing *again* and then we ready for testers
[18:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: 15.04
[18:46] <sgclark> oooh I got a contact page request to help someone contribute to kubuntu/kde documentation.
[18:47] <ahoneybun> sgclark: oh?
[18:48] <sgclark> my blog
[18:48] <ahoneybun> oh cool
[18:49] <Riddell> sgclark: bring them in here :)
[18:49] <Riddell> ahoneybun: why's that?
[18:50] <sgclark> Riddell: yep I am :) gave him mine and your nicks, so if you get a ping could be him lol
[19:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: gaming
[20:44] <soee> sgclark: seems like packages are ready -5.2.2?
[21:03] <sgclark> soee: well oxygen hates me, but the rest yeah
[21:31] <soee> sgclark: but i see it has been build https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging/+packages
[21:32] <sgclark> soee: missing file, was in install file.. though so researching
[21:35] <soee> :(
[22:05] <sgclark> soee: fixed, all is ready for testing
[22:05] <sgclark> !testers Plasma5 ready for testing in next-staging
[22:06] <sgclark> blah
[22:07] <mparillo> Is there a test script for dummies? And I assume you mean 5.2.2?
[22:08] <soee> woho :)
[22:08] <soee> sgclark: all packages in next-staging are required ?
[22:11] <sgclark> right 5.2.2
[22:17] <soee> sgclark: upgrading
[22:18] <sgclark> cool thanks
[22:18] <sgclark> I did and so far all looks good
[22:18] <mparillo> Simply apt update apt upgrade -y?
[22:20] <sgclark> mparillo: should do it as long as next-staging is in your sources.list
[22:20] <sgclark> mparillo: actually apt dist-upgrade is better
[22:21] <mparillo> sudo add-apt-repository next-staging ?
[22:22] <sgclark> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:next-staging I think
[22:23] <soee> apt full-upgrade
[22:23] <mparillo> softwareproperties.ppa.PPAException: 'Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~next-staging: Not Found'
[22:24] <sitter> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-staging
[22:24] <soee> ^
[22:25] <mparillo> For the love of all jellyfish, do not use this PPA
[22:25] <soee> ;]
[22:26] <mparillo> is full-upgrade an upgrade followed by a dist-upgrade?
[22:26] <sgclark> nah just full-upgrade. even better
[22:27] <mparillo> 87 to be upgraded over dinner.
[22:28] <soee> sgclark: i can confirm that all went fine
[22:28] <soee> reboot brb
[22:30] <mparillo> I assume a reboot is required to test 5.2.2?
[22:31] <soee> back :)
[22:31] <soee> ksysguarg dbus bug fixed, that i can confirm :)
[22:31] <soee> *ksysguard
[22:34] <soee> sgclark: again great work
[22:38] <soee> oh muon is broken ...
[22:41] <soee> can someone confirm that menu in mon is broken, we can't configure toolbars etc ?
[22:41] <sgclark> ut oh, broken how?
[22:41] <soee> *in muon
[22:42] <sgclark> soee: not sure what you mean. I don't use muon, apt all the way lol
[22:42] <sgclark> seems functional to me
[22:43] <sgclark> some fonts seem distorted
[22:44] <sgclark> oh clicking toobar settings does nothing
[22:46] <soee> yup
[22:46] <sgclark> soee: is there a bug for that or?
[22:47] <soee> now i checked to hide tobpad how can i bring it back even if it has no conent
[22:47] <soee> sgclark: well in 5.2.1 there was topbar with several options
[22:47] <sgclark> afraid I am not going to be helpful with muon
[22:47] <soee> so fro me it is a bug
[22:57] <soee> ill try to ask Riddell about it tomorrow
[23:09] <mparillo> kinfocenter reports 5.2.2
[23:09] <mparillo> re-booting.
[23:20] <mparillo> sitter: sgclark: soee: Thanks for all your help. Re-booted, still at 5.2.2, and the jellyfish in kinfocenter, rekonq, dolphin, and (obviously) konversation are unharmed.
[23:21] <sgclark> nice :)
[23:23] <sitter> sgclark++
[23:26] <mparillo> Should the Guest Login be available in the default config? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345404


[15:47] <ion_> keybuk: Have you had a chance to waste cycles with my email yet? :-)
[15:50] <Keybuk> not even read it yet
[15:50] <Keybuk> only returned from holiday this morning
[15:50] <Keybuk> and haven't done e-mail catch-up
[16:01] <ion_> Alright.
[16:01] <ion_> No hurry.
[16:02] <Keybuk> I originally wrote nih_alloc with ref-counting
[16:02] <Keybuk> I forget why I removed it
[21:46] <ion_> keybuk: Do you think you’ll still be able to take a look at my commit today? :-)
[23:30] <Keybuk> ion_: why is it a uint32_t ?
[23:31] <Keybuk> unless you have specific need for a 32-bit type, shouldn't that just be "unsigned int" ?
[23:33] <ion_> Heh, i just thought “whatever, uint32_t is shorter to type and it’s not as if it’s too small for a refcount”. :-P
[23:34] <Keybuk> it's reasonably good practice to avoid the "fixed length" types unless you really want a fixed length
[23:34] <ion_> Ok, i’ll keep that in mind from now on.
[23:38] <Keybuk> ah, now I remember why I didn't go with reference counting
[23:38] <Keybuk> it made the world tricky when dealing with parents
[23:38] <Keybuk> if you return objects with a ref count as 1 when parent = NULL
[23:39] <Keybuk> and the parent holds a ref on the object
[23:39] <Keybuk> then surely the returned object has to have a ref count of 1 when parent != NULL (ie. the parent)
[23:39] <Keybuk> which didn't actually do what you want
[23:39] <Keybuk> so you had to have the parents *not* reference the object
[23:39] <ion_> Oh, perhaps i forgot to document it, but the refcount is increased when it’s added to a parent.
[23:39] <Keybuk> since that's actually what you are after
[23:40] <Keybuk> but then how do you deal with a child object being referenced when its parent is freed?
[23:40] <Keybuk> sorry, not explaining well
[23:40] <Amaranth> how can a child not have a parent? :)
[23:41] <Amaranth> dunno what exactly you're talking about but i'm thinking the child would get a new parent?
[23:41] <Keybuk> a = nih_new (NULL, void *);
[23:41] <Keybuk> that has a refcount of 1
[23:41] <Keybuk> our reference
[23:41] <Amaranth> right
[23:41] <Keybuk> b = nih_new (a, void *);
[23:41] <Keybuk> that has a refcount of 2
[23:41] <Amaranth> ok
[23:41] <Keybuk> our reference
[23:42] <Keybuk> AND a reference by its parent
[23:42] <Keybuk> if I do nih_unref (a) now, what happens to b?
[23:42] <Amaranth> it has a refcount of 1?
[23:42] <ion_> Its refcount drops to 1
[23:42] <Amaranth> can you still use b?
[23:42] <Keybuk> so the object isn't freed when its parent is
[23:43] <Amaranth> not if someone else is holding on to it, why would it be?
[23:43] <Keybuk> the whole point of using the hierarchial allocator is to forget about objects if they have a parent
[23:43] <Keybuk> imagine
[23:43] <Keybuk>   a = nih_new (NULL, SomeStructure);
[23:43] <ion_> True...
[23:43] <Keybuk>  a->title = nih_strdup (a, "foo");
[23:43] <Keybuk>  a->description = nih_strdup (a, "some long description");
[23:44] <Keybuk> if a reference is left open for me, I now have to remember to nih_unref those as well
[23:44] <Keybuk> doubling the length of code
[23:44] <Amaranth> but wait, wouldn't a->title go away when a does?
[23:44] <Keybuk> no
[23:44] <Keybuk> because its refcount is 2
[23:44] <Keybuk> losing its parent would only decrease it to 1, so it would stay
[23:44] <Amaranth> but a is gone, how can a->title exist?
[23:45] <Keybuk> the alternative way would be the refcount of any returned object to always be 1
[23:45] <ion_> Actually, what i’d like to have would be the possibility of adding a child to multiple parents – or rather “containers” – so that each one references the child once. But granted, that’s something completely different than using the parent to automatically free the kids.
[23:45] <Keybuk> if its parent is NULL, then its 1 (yours)
[23:45] <Keybuk> if the parent is non-NULL, then its 1 (the parent)
[23:45] <Amaranth> but then you're not really doing refcounting
[23:45] <Keybuk> but then you can't unref the child yourself, since you don't have a reference :-)
[23:45] <Keybuk> ion_: sure
[23:45] <Keybuk> that's a refcounting allocator ;)
[23:46] <Keybuk> not a hierarchial one
[23:46] <Keybuk> it'd be a good different allocator, but I don't think you can bolt it onto an h one
[23:46] <ion_> tss, the author of liblib (the “standard library” dovecot and icecap use) uses memory pools to implement the following:
[23:46] <ion_> foo_push (pool);
[23:46] <ion_> Allocate stuff using pool
[23:47] <ion_> foo_pop (pool); // Everything you allocated above is freed
[23:47] <ion_> But that solves a different problem.
[23:47] <Keybuk> yeah, it's a bit like obstacks
[23:47] <Amaranth> that sounds like what nih has now
[23:47] <Keybuk> he wrote a great paper on why he did it that way, instead of just using alloca
[23:48] <ion_> I wonder whether i’ll end up NIHing my own “standard library” that is based on refcounting, since it would fit my application quite well... :-P
[23:48] <Keybuk> interestingly, talloc (a description of which is what nih_alloc is roughly based on) does have ref-counting
[23:49] <ion_> It would resemble libnih *a lot* since i quite like libnih, though, so i’d rather avoid duplication of effort.
[23:50] <ion_> Perhaps there’s a way to implement refcounting without breaking the hierarchical allocation. I’ll have to think about it when my brain is less exhausted.
[23:50] <Keybuk> grab the samba source and look though source/lib/talloc.c and work out how Tridge does it? :p
[23:51] <ion_> Ok, i’ll take a look. :-)
[23:51] <Keybuk> I think other objects can hold secondary references on an object
[23:52] <Keybuk> and if the parent is freed, the object is reparented to the first secondary reference
[23:52] <Keybuk> "god parents" if you like
[23:52] <Keybuk>  a = nih_new (NULL, void *);
[23:52] <ion_> A random thought: if nih_new is called with a parent, it’s still initialized with a refcount of one and you’re forbidden from calling nih_unref on the resulting object. Would that work?
[23:52] <Keybuk>  b = nih_new (a, void *);
[23:52] <Keybuk>  c = nih_new (NULL, void *);
[23:52] <Keybuk>  nih_alloc_reference (c, b);
[23:52] <Keybuk>  nih_free (a);
[23:52] <Keybuk>  /* parent of b is now c */
[23:53] <Keybuk> ion_: then you can't free the object independently later since you don't hold a ref on it
[23:53] <Keybuk> (not without breaking ref counting semantics anyway)
[23:54] <ion_> For own storage, you could then nih_ref it. :-P But yeah, that would be cumbersome.
[23:54] <Keybuk> the god parent thing might work quite nicely though
[23:55] <Keybuk> I don't know what you want the ref counting for?
[23:56] <Amaranth> this reminds me of GInitiallyUnowned
[23:57] <Amaranth> i mean, in this case it's initially owned by the parent but it's the same concept
[23:57] <Amaranth> you don't want the creator to have a reference
[23:59] <ion_> For instance, in an OpenGL engine i’m working on, a texture object can be attached to a number of mesh objects. I want the meshes to reference the texture, and unref it when they’re being freed.


[02:06] <doko> infinity, something is f*cked, python2.7 depends on libsfgcc1
[02:27] <infinity> doko: Err, does it?
[02:27] <infinity> doko: Just now?
[02:29] <infinity> doko: Grr.    Though, the part where it picked up that dependency is worrying.
[02:30] <infinity> doko: Yeah, confirmed that I built it in a chroot with gcc-multilib installed.  But ouch that it didn't do the right thing. :/
[02:39] <infinity> doko: Erk, and gcj-4.6 depends on libsfgcc1 ...
[06:40] <infinity> doko: Looks like it's dpkg-shlibdeps misbehaving.  The dependencies are spurious (the packages in question aren't actually linked against libsfgcc1), but once I come up with a sane fix, we'll need to do no-change rebuilds to drop the dep.
[11:01] <doko> infinity, wondering why, because the sf libraries shouldn't be installed for the python2.7 build
[11:03] <infinity> doko: They were for my local python build.  That's fixed.  But other packages suffer similar issues (like gcj, for instance).
[11:03] <infinity> doko: Working on fixing dpkg-shlibdeps so it stops happening.
[11:03] <infinity> doko: But other than the spurious dep (which is annoying, obviously), it's harmless.
[11:15] <ogra_> infinity, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_ARM does that look ok to you ?
[11:15] <ogra_> (anything i should add like: contact the ubuntu-arm team if you encounter probs with your package builds etc ... )
[11:18] <infinity> ogra_: Sounds reasonable (including the blurb)
[11:19] <ogra_> k
[11:22] <jamespage> morning
[11:23] <jamespage> am I correct in thinking that Ubuntu support armv7 upwards only?
[11:23] <ogra_> yes
[11:23] <jamespage> OK; and by default do we compile thumb support (sorry if wrong terminology)?
[11:24] <ogra_> thumb2, yes
[11:24] <jamespage> ogra_, great - that validates my thinking on a ftbfs on libv8 then
[11:24] <jamespage> thanks
[14:22] <marcompile_panda> Hello, is there a way I can recompile the kernel I'm running right now (with the same version and config) without fetching it from git?
[14:32] <ogra_> marcompile_panda, install build-essential and fakeroot, then apt-get source linux ...cd into the folder where it was unpacked, run dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot in that folder
[14:33] <infinity> ogra_: apt-get --only-source source linux, actually.
[14:33] <infinity> Or you end up with meta. :P
[14:33] <ogra_> oh, indeed !
[14:34] <infinity> (And for panda, probably "apt-get --only-source source linux-ti-omap4"
[14:34] <infinity> )
[14:34] <infinity> And then, for added fun, "apt-get build-dep linux-ti-omap4"
[14:34] <ogra_> ah, i missed the panda, yeah
[14:34] <ogra_> are there actual build deps ?
[14:34]  * ogra_ never needed that
[14:34] <infinity> Should be some that aren't build-essential.
[14:35] <infinity> Like kernel-wedge.
[14:35] <ogra_> i'm not sure it uses that if you dpkg-buildpackage it
[14:35] <ogra_> i definitely dont have it installed here and have built multiple kernel packages on this machine before
[14:37] <ogra_> marcompile_panda, do change the config use debian/rules editconfigs
[14:37] <ogra_> (assuming you want to actually change it)
[14:40] <rsalveti> janimo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+spec/push-multiarch-changes-for-cross-precise
[14:40] <rsalveti> janimo: to make firefox cross build working with multi-arch at precise
[14:43] <marcompile_panda> ogra_, will try that. thank you
[14:53] <ogra_> ********** ARM Team meeting starts in ~5 min in #ubuntu-meeting *********
[15:00] <ogra_> ********** ARM Team meeting starts now  in #ubuntu-meeting *********
[16:15] <Jcouture> Hi, I would like to know if it's possible to install Eclipse on an ARM infrastructure and also the JAVA SDK and JVM? Thank you! I'm looking to maybe buy a transformer prime and replace my netbook and my nook color.
[16:17] <GrueMaster> Jcouture: AFAIK, yes.  I use jvm on arm for qa automation (jenkins slave).  Not sure on eclipse, but it "should" work.
[16:23] <Jcouture> Ok, sry, I just closed my window by accident, didn't see if somebody answered me
[16:23] <lilstevie> Jcouture: there is no guarentee that you will be able to run ubuntu on the prime straight up
[17:29] <Netham46> Are there any tutorials for rebuilding a rootfs using whatever means is currently stable and supported?
[17:30] <Netham46> Kinda sucks that they dumped rootstock support, it was so easy to use.
[17:38] <GrueMaster> Netham46: We are working on new documentation.  Should have it ready in the next few weeks.  In the mean time, you can use our ubuntu-core images as a base.
[17:48] <Netham46> GrueMaster, kk. Know where they are?
[17:49] <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core
[17:49] <Netham46> Thanks.
[18:05] <Sycro5> Hi, I'm using a Pandaboard to run Ubuntu and am having problems using the Bluetooth capabilities.  Are there drivers available to get BT running on the Pandaboard?  I can't find anything definitive online.
[18:07] <GrueMaster> Sycro5: Which Ubuntu release?  Starting with Oneiric, the firmware should be there (not sure on natty off hand).
[18:08] <Sycro5> well, I'm actually still using 11.04 at the moment, but I'm happy to upgrade to 11.10 if that will make a difference
[18:10] <Sycro5> Here is the exact pre-built binary I'm using: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Prebuilt_ubuntu_binaries
[18:11] <Sycro5> ...the Natty Narwal Netbook
[18:11] <GrueMaster> Yea, looking at my natty system, I don't see the firmware there.
[18:12] <Sycro5> what do you recommend then?
[18:16] <GrueMaster> Oneiric/
[18:16] <GrueMaster> I see the firmware on that image.
[18:17] <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz
[18:25] <Sycro5> thanks a lot.  Can I upgrade to Oneiric using the update manager in Ubuntu, or do I need to re-partition my drive with this build?
[18:35] <GrueMaster> You should be able to upgrade.  But it is much slower than pulling down a new image (if you are running on SD).
[18:36] <Sycro5> Great, thanks!
[18:59] <xenon_> hi all
[19:00] <xenon_> what is the last stable release ubuntu for pandaboard ?
[19:00] <xenon_> 10.04? 10.10 ? 11.04 ? 11.10?
[19:00] <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz
[19:00] <xenon_> thanks
[19:01] <GrueMaster> There is no support in 10.04, 10.10 was initial bring-up.
[19:02] <xenon_> i have tested this version but it loops for configuration i can install it
[19:02] <xenon_> i can't*
[19:02] <GrueMaster> Yea, known issue.
[19:02] <xenon_> there is no issue actually ?
[19:03] <xenon_> :(
[19:03] <GrueMaster> To work around it, when the installer loops back to the language selection,hit <ctrl><alt><F1>, log in as the user you created earlier, and type "sudo oem-config-remove && sudo reboot" (without quotes).
[19:04] <GrueMaster> There is a timing issue with the SD card driver (I think).  Very hard to debug.
[19:04] <xenon_> yes
[19:04] <xenon_> thanks i'll test this issue
[19:05] <GrueMaster> And Ubuntu-desktop image triggers  this very reliably.  Don't see it on ubuntu-server or kubuntu-desktop.
[19:06] <xenon_> ok


[00:30] <webchat15> Hi All, im hoping to find some help with an audio issue ive been experiencing for the last few weeks. I recently tok the plunge and moved to xubuntu 20.02 from windows server 08 on a hp dl585g2 that im using as a desktop. since the swap ive been having issues with my audio. audio output is being provided by GM204 internal to nvidia gtx980 over
[00:30] <webchat15> hdmi. i believe there are actually 2 issues present but i will let yall wizened folk decide on that. first is that no matter how i try setting hdmi as the default audio output the pc will ALWAYS revert to the onboard audio on reboot and RANDOMLY revert during a use session. this reversion during use is somewhat rare, 1-2x over 8-12 hrs.  The other
[00:30] <webchat15> issue is that the audio while set to hdmi output will very frequently start to pop and crackle, not like a amp turning on and off kind of poping, more like the amp is being fed to high value of a signal leading to insane amounts of peaking/sausaging. Sometimes this can be corrected by switching to onboard default and back to the nvidia card,
[00:30] <webchat15> sometimes a reboot is required, sometimes toggling the default many times will work. im not really sure how to proceed but i can provide any info.
[00:30] <webchat15> correction: xubuntu 20.04
[01:43] <webchat15> anybody home?
[01:52] <Em> hi webchat15
[03:02] <webchat15> mic check?
[03:56] <webchat15> well been chilling about 3 or 4 hrs now, thanks for the help yall


[09:38] <enrico> LET THE CONFERENCE BEGIN!
[09:39] <ChrisH> Hehe... :)
[09:40] <ChrisH> enrico: Are you there already?
[09:41] <ChrisH> Is there an official IRC channel during the conference?
[09:43] <enrico> uhm uhm uhm...  let's ask
[09:44] <enrico> Mako doesn't know of anything but #ubuntu-devel
[09:44] <ChrisH> Uh huh... would be nice to have one for organisational things there.
[09:44] <ChrisH> #mataro? #ubuntu-conference?
[09:48] <enrico_> As I was saying, *when my computer won't crash* I'll be hanging on here and keeping people updated
[09:57] <ChrisH> lulu: Hey. :) How's breakfast?
[09:58] <lulu> ChrisH: excellent :o) all sorts of allsorts!
[09:58] <ChrisH> lulu: I assume everone has a laptop on the table. ;)
[10:03] <enrico> AS I WAS SAYING
[10:03] <enrico> When my laptop crashes
[10:04] <enrico> That is, when my laptop does not crash, I hang out here
[10:04] <enrico> ghghgh
[10:04] <enrico> And I'll be posting some updates in the list about what happens
[10:04] <enrico> All the BOFs will have notes on the wiki as well
[10:14] <lulu> ChrisH: yes. lots of laptops
[10:19] <ChrisH> lulu: Enough wall sockets? :)
[10:20] <ChrisH> How many are there actually? 20? 50? 200?
[10:20] <ChrisH> Would be nice to have a web cam. :)
[10:42] <enrico> ChrisH: wall sockets?  huge
[10:42] <enrico> I'll try to post pictures
[10:47] <enrico> I took some pictures, now I have to fetch the cable to get them out of my camera
[11:10] <ChrisH> enrico: Can't you wear a helmet cam?
[11:10] <ChrisH> enrico: How crowded is it already?
[11:19] <enrico> laptop's so much crashy today
[11:19] <enrico> So, posts to the list
[11:21] <ChrisH> enrico: Is it crowded already? :)
[11:22] <enrico> uh, quite
[11:22] <enrico> around 55 people already
[11:23] <ChrisH> So the BOFs are probably more like conferences...
[11:24] <enrico> yeah, although not everyone's in a BOF
[11:25] <ChrisH> What are you doing? Hacking? :)
[11:28] <enrico> Well, rebooting my laptop over and over, mainly :(
[11:28] <enrico> Plus, talking with cenerentola and fixing the notes I've taken
[12:31] <ChrisH> enrico: what about a public gallery? I can set one up in no time.
[12:35] <enrico> ChrisH: do you have bandwidth enough?
[12:35] <ChrisH> enrico: 0.5 Mbps
[12:35] <enrico> ChrisH: uhm, that's going to be hammered
[12:35] <ChrisH> enrico: No problem. :)
[12:36] <enrico> In that case... :)
[12:36] <ChrisH> enrico: At least I wanted to put my photos online there. Let's burn the line. :)
[12:36] <enrico> I'm tring to put my pictures on my  server atm
[12:46] <enrico> First report sent!
[12:47] <enrico> well, sending...
[01:28] <ChrisH> sivang: Hey... a late entry. :)
[01:28] <sivang> yes :)
[01:28] <sivang> Have been up late packing :)
[01:29] <ChrisH> You mean you watched your gf pack your bag? :)
[01:29] <sivang> something like that :) hehe
[01:29] <sivang> I would be lost without her
[01:31] <sivang> :)
[01:33] <sivang> yo plovs!
[01:33] <plovs> hi!
[01:33] <plovs> ole?
[01:34] <plovs> sivang: you in Barcelona yet?
[01:35] <sivang> plovs : I wish :) not yet
[01:36] <plovs> ? i thoought you went today?
[01:37] <ChrisH> plovs: Hey... :) Flying today or tomorrow?
[01:37] <ChrisH> plovs: My plane is going tomorrow at 11:30
[01:37] <plovs> tomorrow morning at 7:00
[01:37] <ChrisH> Uh. That's not really tomorrow. :)
[01:37] <plovs> i'll be there at 13:00 or so
[01:37] <ChrisH> plovs: Direct flight?
[01:37] <plovs> no, more like tonight
[01:38] <plovs> no, riga - prague - barcelona
[01:39] <plovs> ChrisH: you?
[01:40] <ChrisH> plovs: I'll arrive at 13:45.
[01:40] <plovs> tomorrow?
[01:40] <sivang> ChrisH : when are you arriving the barcelona?
[01:40] <ChrisH> plovs: I got a direct flight that longs 2:30 hours
[01:40] <ChrisH> plovs: On Wednesday.
[01:40] <ChrisH> sivang: 13:45
[01:40] <plovs> ah, ok, nice to see you all irl
[01:40] <sivang> ChrisH : tommorow?
[01:41] <ChrisH> sivang: wednesday
[01:41] <ChrisH> enrico: At the front entrance? :)
[01:41] <plovs> enrico: thanks, for the first write up
[01:42] <enrico> ChrisH: I'll hand out the room keys :)
[01:42] <enrico> plovs: my pleasure.  More will come this afternoon
[01:42] <ChrisH> Launchpad... sounds nice.
[01:42] <sivang> enrico : can you come pick us up from the train station? :)
[01:43] <plovs> enrico: yeah, with a limo, a white one, but if that is not possible then a black is ok as well, we're easy
[01:43] <enrico> sivang: I'll send the armed guards for that
[01:43] <sivang> I want cavier and champane
[01:43] <enrico> plovs: helycopter is allright?
[01:43] <enrico> sivang: no champagne here, but a good cava will do
[01:43] <plovs> enrico: armed guards is good, i got this funny package in my suit-case from france
[01:44] <sivang> enrico : yes, but make it the luxury ones , you know with the hot tub in it
[01:44] <enrico> (cava is the local champaigne)
[01:44] <enrico> sivang: hot jacuzzi, one each
[01:44] <ChrisH> enrico: Wow... power! endless power! :)
[01:45] <enrico> you can sleep in a jacuzzi here, they give you special inflatable pillows for that
[01:45] <plovs> enrico: does wireless work in the rooms yet?
[01:45] <enrico> plovs: Haven't been in the room today :)  But wlan works in all the places I've been
[01:45] <plovs> enrico: nice
[01:46] <enrico> ChrisH: there's a red phone here, I didn't try to pick it up.  Maybe that can help you :)
[01:46] <sivang> enrico : they have a jacuzzi?
[01:46] <enrico> sivang: uh, really, no
[01:46] <ChrisH> sivang: It's a bad hotel. No swimming pool at all.
[01:46] <enrico> The hotel is nice, one of those hotels that are the same all around the globe
[01:47] <sivang> enrico : ok then, now how in the _world_ don't they provide 2 keys per room?
[01:47] <enrico> TV, frigobar, shower, tub, toilet and *bidet*!
[01:47] <enrico> Italians need bidet
[01:47] <enrico> Air conditioning, too
[01:47] <ChrisH> enrico: Bidet is nice... but I'd rather have a whirlpool.
[01:47] <enrico> And the breakfast buffet is really good
[01:48] <sivang> enrico : where do you leave the laptop when you want to just walk around and hang?
[01:48] <sivang> enrico : do they have enough power outlets for the less, ACPI blessed ubuntu boxes out there? :)
[01:49] <enrico> sivang: lots of power outlets: check the pictures (announced in the list)
[01:49] <enrico> (tehre's also a ConferenceGalleries wiki page now)
[01:49] <enrico> sivang: where to leave the laptop... uhm... the room has a safe, but it's kind of small
[01:49] <enrico> sivang: best option is keeping on you
[01:50] <plovs> enrico: an airport running windows is not really faith-inspiring afaik, but nice pics anyway
[01:51] <enrico> plovs: hang on a sec
[01:51] <sivang> enrico : do they have any sort of belongings keeping ?
[01:51] <sivang> enrico : even paid?
[01:52] <ChrisH> Who's the guy in the background here: http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-05%20Ubuntu%20Hacker%20Crowd/?img_0003.jpg
[01:52] <ChrisH> I've seem him before at the LinuxTag.
[01:54] <enrico> plovs: http://lento.uncasino.it/enrico/galleries/2003-10-22-Sofia/foto/thumb/dscf0113-1-0.html
[01:55] <ChrisH> enrico: does not look like windows :)
[01:56] <enrico> ChrisH: you mean the guy with glasses next to the wall?
[01:57] <ChrisH> enrico: Yes, behind Mark (if that's him)
[02:00] <ChrisH> Would be nice to have a few photos of people. I have no idea how elmo or mdz look like.
[02:01] <ChrisH> enrico: But I'm sure you'll introduce us to all. :)
[02:03] <enrico> About keeping belongings, the hotel rooms are fine.  There's also this locker you can use
[02:03] <enrico> ChrisH: that guy is "spiv"
[02:03] <enrico> I'll introduce everyone to everyone until everyone will be sick of me introducing people :)
[02:04] <enrico> (that's what I usually do anyway ;)
[02:04] <enrico> It's however more fun to meet people IRL anyway
[02:04] <enrico> Photos spoil the expectations
[02:05] <ChrisH> enrico: That's right. It will probably make my head explode to learn 50 names.
[02:05] <enrico> ChrisH: well, 50 so far.  More will arrive :)
[02:25] <enrico> hornbeck: !!
[02:25] <enrico> hornbeck: how're you doing?
[02:32] <enrico> lunchtime updates at lento.uncasino.it/enrico/ubuntuconf
[02:32] <hornbeck> I am here, I am doing fine
[02:33] <ChrisH> enrico: Can't you just wear a helmet camera? :)
[02:33] <hornbeck> I am done with a truck load of work for my job, so back to Ubuntu this week
[02:33] <enrico> hornbeck: Wow!  So not in super-hectic-swamped mode anymore!
[02:33] <hornbeck> nope, done with all that
[02:34] <hornbeck> only thing I have today is like two clients and a meeting
[02:34] <lulu> hornbeck: welcome back!
[02:34] <hornbeck> so the rest will be doc writing
[02:34] <hornbeck> lulu: thanks
[02:35] <hornbeck> so is everyone except me at the conferance?
[02:36] <enrico> hornbeck: no, not yet
[02:36] <hornbeck> ahh
[02:37] <enrico> hornbeck: just me and lulu, from the current subscriber list of the channel
[02:38] <enrico> ChrisH: I know you ask that because you want to spy my passwords! :)
[02:39] <hornbeck> where is ChrisH, plovs, and sivang?
[02:39] <hornbeck> thought they where first responders also?
[02:40] <plovs> hornbeck: right here, working
[02:40] <plovs> hornbeck: i go tomorrow
[02:40] <ChrisH> hornbeck: I'm here. :) Hi, John.
[02:40] <ChrisH> hornbeck: I'll be in Spain from Wednesday to Saturday.
[02:42] <hornbeck> good deal guys
[02:42] <hornbeck> have alot of fun for me
[02:42] <enrico> sivang is probably busy packing, like in the last 3 days :)
[02:42] <hornbeck> I am going to start my passport process in january that way if this every pops up again I can just go
[02:42] <enrico> hornbeck: buy a lead case for it, though: I heard that new american passports have biometrics on RFID
[02:43] <enrico> hornbeck: oh, no, they tell me it's not yet working
[02:43] <ChrisH> enrico: At least your airline didn't go bancrupt this time.
[02:44] <enrico> ChrisH: eh
[02:44] <enrico> ChrisH: but the train company tried to keep me away of the airport
[02:44] <ChrisH> enrico: Were you too ugly? ;)
[02:44] <enrico> ChrisH: the ticket office was closed, and the train driver didn't allow me in saying that the ticket office was open
[02:45] <ChrisH> enrico: Did you get anything done today? Or are you just sitting in the reception hall being on IRC? :)
[02:45] <enrico> ChrisH: the italian railway police officer I asked things later told me to call the railway police next time, because they'd like to beat some train driver since they are annoyed at them doing that  (of course he didn't say "beat")
[02:46] <enrico> ChrisH: I'm trying to get the hang of this secretary job and to work out and organize what are the initiatives I'll undertake
[02:47] <enrico> Then I'll make some annoucement in the list
[02:47] <ChrisH> enrico: Ah, the italian train. I thought you had trouble in Barcelona.
[02:47] <ChrisH> enrico: So you are the logging officer?
[02:48] <enrico> ChrisH: for the ubuntu-doc channel, yes
[02:48] <enrico> Sorry, for the ubuntu-doc community
[02:48] <ChrisH> Do we have a seperte community? :)
[02:48] <enrico> ChrisH: you mean, a doc community outside of the channel?  I think so.  There are many more people in the list than in the channel
[02:48] <enrico> Some are active in the book, for example
[02:48] <hornbeck> well I am off to work guys
[02:49] <enrico> hornbeck: see you later!
[02:49] <hornbeck> have fun, and I will be checking in
[02:49] <hornbeck> :-)
[02:49] <enrico> hornbeck: I'll have some things to ask you about the book
[02:49] <hornbeck> ok, I will be back later
[03:19] <sivang> enrico : was it sunday that the ticket office was close?
[03:19] <enrico> sivang: yes
[03:19] <sivang> enrico : I heared from Treenaks (Martin Van Streek) that they have an automatic machine there,
[03:19] <enrico> sivang: but you won't need to get a train ticket in Rome, since you won't get out of the airport anyway
[03:19] <sivang> hehe
[03:19] <enrico> sivang: sure, but the automatic machine was out of order
[03:19] <sivang> Now I get it,
[03:20] <sivang> I thought it was in Barcelona :)
[04:00] <enrico> (since I'll be in Taiwan for some time...)
[04:06] <enrico> I moved upstairs
[04:06] <enrico> Wlan still works
[04:07] <enrico> And there are lots of power plugs
[04:20] <enrico> mako opens the BOF: A goal for hoary is having input methods for as many scripts as we can figure out what to do
[04:24] <enrico> some (many) input methods have been mentioned to show the current mess
[04:33] <enrico> there is a need to see what people are actually using
[05:12] <ChrisH> enrico: If I may ask... I can't attend at the LaptopSupportAndPowerManagement BOF. Care to take a few notes? That the most FAQ here at work how the "power state of the nation" is currently.
[05:23] <enrico> ChrisH: ok!
[05:23] <ChrisH> enrico: thanks
[05:24] <enrico> ChrisH: that'll be tomorrow afternoon, I'll be there,
[05:24] <enrico> ChrisH: anyhow, every BOF has a notetaker and has notes published
[05:24] <ChrisH> enrico: Okay, that should do it.
[05:24] <enrico> ChrisH: however, if you want to be online, I can tell you what happens and report questions for you (like, interfacing you with the bof)
[05:24] <ChrisH> enrico: Wednesday will probably the most interesting day for me. I can offer to take notes there.
[05:25] <ChrisH> enrico: Thanks for the offer. But I will probably not be online during that time because I need to get a few things ready for the flight.
[05:27] <enrico> ChrisH: ok
[08:25] <enrico> Dinnertime!
[08:25] <enrico> (more or less)
[08:25] <enrico> See you all tomorrow (I'll try to hack up a nightly report)
[08:26] <enrico> Bye!
[09:10] <ChrisH> Yeah, right... my notebook is making trouble. Argh!


 What networks are people having success with?
 @needsmoreverb [Anyone using your phone on a US network with Ubuntu touch?], Yes, T-mobile works well for calls and text for UT in my experience.  Mobile data depends on the device - I can get good LTE with OnePlus One on T-mobile, but was limited to 3G/HSPA with it on Meizu Pro 5, and limited to 2G with my current Volla Phone.  For mo
[00:04] <ubptgbot> bile data on my Volla I am using a second SIM slot for AT&T (which gets LTE in my area, but can not make or receive calls since they switched to VoLTE only for phone calls on new activations -  which UT does not support yet).
 @needsmoreverb [Anyone using your phone on a US network with Ubuntu touch?], [Edit] Yes, T-mobile works well for calls and text for UT in my experience.  Mobile data depends on the device - I can get good LTE with OnePlus One on T-mobile, but was limited to 3G/HSPA with it on Meizu Pro 5, and limited to 2G with my current Volla Phone.
[00:05] <ubptgbot>  For mobile data on my Volla I am using a second SIM slot for an AT&T network SIM from Red Pocket Mobile (which gets LTE in my area, but can not make or receive calls since they switched to VoLTE only for phone calls on new activations -  which UT does not support yet).
 Thanks so much for the info; highly relevant because I just received a Volla today. What are your thoughts so far on it?
 @needsmoreverb [Thanks so much for the info; highly relevant because I just received a Volla tod …], I really like it a lot. Just make sure if you go the two SIM rout like I did, to place the SIM you use for mobile data in slot 1, and the SIM you are using for phone calls in slot 2.
 Gotcha, thanks.
 Is VoLTE on the roadmap for UT?
 @needsmoreverb [Is VoLTE on the roadmap for UT?], Yes, but no ETA for it - it is very complex to implement because the protocol uses proprietary code which will have to be reverse engineered.
 @needsmoreverb [Gotcha, thanks.], Whether you can get 4G/LTE via AT&T will depend on your area, as it needs to have a decent use of the alternate 850MHz frequency band.  In Central Texas I get that strongly, in Chicago another Volla user I know gets none.
 Best thing to do is go to an AT&T store and let them try out a SIM to see whether it works for you or not.  Or else just order a SIM in from Red Pocket Mobile with just a cheap month plan, and test it out that way.
 Cool, I will do that.
 But T-mobile will most likely only get 2G for you on Volla, but should be good for phone calls and SMS text until they switch to VoLTE only sometime around April 2022.
 I really appreciate your insights.
 No problem - glad to help with this.
 Hopefully VoLTE on UT will be a thing soon!
 @needsmoreverb [Hopefully VoLTE on UT will be a thing soon!], It won't be soon - way too big of a task for that.  Hopefully it will be before 2022 though.
 Ah okay
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 @TotalSonic [You can download and install the click from here - https://github.com/belohoub/U …], Filthy Frank
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 @TotalSonic [I really like it a lot. Just make sure if you go the two SIM rout like I did, to …], i will try again, maybe i used the wrong slot
 @TotalSonic [Yes, but no ETA for it - it is very complex to implement because the protocol us …], or just wrapped up into the container, they were talking about something on a few otas ago, lets hope - would make many things better
 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/03/jing-os-0-8-release
 Had someone heard about this?
 help! my Xperia X rebooted and now stuck in the Sony screen I can't turn off or reboot 😅
 it hasn't rebooted randomly since OTA-16 … then I manually rebooted and now this...bad luck 😆
 @Javacookies [help! my Xperia X rebooted and now stuck in the Sony screen I can't turn off or …], Does power+vol up do something? That did help me the last time.
 I had a few reboots recently too.
 LOL, I was doing Volume Down 😆
 I believe random reboots has been fixed, or reduced if not fully fixed, on OTA-16
 I just did a manual reboot and I immediately had it again 😄
 it booted now … thanks!
 Great! Glad I could help.
 @Javacookies [I believe random reboots has been fixed, or reduced if not fully fixed, on OTA-1 …], If some regressions get fixed, new ones will certainly show up. 😊
 I tested if using the flashlight from the indicator will still break the camera, turns out it still did so I had to reboot
 maybe that's also the reason of being stuck in the Sony screen
 Hm. Not sure I would like to test breaking my device. 😉
 @C0n57an71n [Had someone heard about this?], Yes but I am ignoring it, I dont believe it fits our expectation and culture of FOSS ^^
 @Flohack [Yes but I am ignoring it, I dont believe it fits our expectation and culture of …], The fact that you need to register with an email to download the image is a bit suspect...
 (Photo, 747x65) https://irc.ubports.com/I1P8kncq.png First of all I click on "their GitHub page" and I am downloading an ISO image. What? Where is the code ^^
 omgubuntu you messed your links up.
 (Photo, 651x369) https://irc.ubports.com/a97y4qpU.png Is it that?
 Quite shady... If you click the Github link in the article it will start to download the image automaticly, no questions, no nothing....
 @C0n57an71n [Quite shady... If you click the Github link in the article it will start to down …], Yes thats a joke. OMGUbuntu is a strange site ^^
 Read the comments below ^^
 lol, april first everyone
 openly making it an iPad clone makes it a big no for me 😄
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 @Javacookies [openly making it an iPad clone makes it a big no for me 😄], I didnt realize it was still around
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 @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], Sweeeet!
 @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], I currently have a Redmi note 7 pro. So that's how UT would look like then
 @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], [Edit] I currently have a Redmi note 7 pro.  … So that's how UT would look like then
 can I install games via apk through anbox?
[11:00] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Cerealesgratis [I currently have a Redmi note 7 pro.  … So that's how UT would look like then], It seems Anbox patches are not compatible with Redmi note 7 pro: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/violet/ … Maybe you can try it...
[11:01] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Cerealesgratis [can I install games via apk through anbox?], Yes you can, but most of them just won't work, as Anbox is in a early development stage yet
 I see, thx
[11:05] <ubptgbot> AngerYoi was added by: AngerYoi
 How do I install neofetch
 Hi
 Is any Support available for Galaxy J7 prime 2
 @AngerYoi [How do I install neofetch], just copy the script to you device mark it as executable and run it :)
 @Fuseteam [just copy the script to you device mark it as executable and run it :)], No need
 Just installed screenfetch
 @AngerYoi [No need], did you remount the rootfs rewrite or something?
 @Fuseteam [did you remount the rootfs rewrite or something?], No
 @AngerYoi [No], how did you install it?
 Twrp
 I don't have officially supported device
 And I'm testing a build
[12:46] <smallfoot-> Does the ubports project have any apps on the Google Play Store?
 probably fluffy chat?
 not 'ubports' but ubuntu touch dev
[13:00] <smallfoot-> thank you!
 it's a different version though
[13:01] <smallfoot-> oh only 1000 installs
 UT is superior that's why /s
 Fluffychat on android uses flutter, fluffychat doesnt and is only given certain fixes.
 [Edit] Fluffychat on android uses flutter, fluffychat on Ubuntu touch doesnt and is only given certain fixes.
 @AngerYoi [I don't have officially supported device], i mean how did you install screenfetch
 When flutter is supported by Ubuntu Touch then we'll get updates.
 Fluffychat is one of the nicest UI's and is one of the more feature full clients, but I don't think its name allows it to have the widest appeal.
 UwU
 but but its so nice
 it one of the most responsive matrix clients i've seen so far too
 @Fuseteam [i mean how did you install screenfetch], sudo apt update … sudo apt install screenfetch
 @AngerYoi [sudo apt update … sudo apt install screenfetch], that's what i mean, is this on ubuntu touch? apt isn't reccomend on it, once you get ota updates
 @Fuseteam [that's what i mean, is this on ubuntu touch? apt isn't reccomend on it, once you …], Again, I'm not on an supported device, and I'm on a test build
 @AngerYoi [Again, I'm not on an supported device, and I'm on a test build], that's why i appended that, tis just something to keep in mind
 @AngerYoi [Again, I'm not on an supported device, and I'm on a test build], [Edit] that's why i appended "once you get ota updates", tis just something to keep in mind
 i'm guessing the rootfs is not readonly on your test build yet
 It's kind of a system img, like it boots system.img from /data
 interesting 🤔
 I'm here to notice that all the codes of JingOS(KDE/Plasma Mobile based) has been submitted to: https://github.com/JingOS-team
[13:44] <BimBamBim> hello, is ubuntu touch source available somewhere?
 there are many repos, those repos are https://github.com/ubports some of the repos have been migrated to https://gitlab.com/ubports/core
[13:49] <BimBamBim> thanks
 @CC_JingOS [I'm here to notice that all the codes of JingOS(KDE/Plasma Mobile based) has bee …], Hi, I'm just curios: how does JingOS  team collaborate with UBports? As far as I know, UT is targeting tablets long before Jing appeared? What's new by this OS?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/yKFPgV4J.webp
 @C0n57an71n [Hi, I'm just curios: how does JingOS  team collaborate with UBports? As far as I …], Do they collaborate with UBports?
 Is there any advise on which channel to use on the xperia X?
 @Fuseteam [Do they collaborate with UBports?], That was my question. I mean: is Ubuntu/Qt based aimed at touch devices. Why a new OS when we have already UT. What's the catch?
 @Nicktl [Is there any advise on which channel to use on the xperia X?], if you need your device to be reliable then `stable` otherwise, if you like fast update with the chance of breaking then `devel`. `rc` is the middle of the two
 "The World’s First Linux-based OS design for Tablets " … I'd say, they are a bit late to the party.
 @C0n57an71n [That was my question. I mean: is Ubuntu/Qt based aimed at touch devices. Why a n …], that's just how it works, they want something else so they create something new, They want something that mimics iPadOS.
 @jonny ["The World’s First Linux-based OS design for Tablets " … I'd say, they are a bit l …], tablet-first at least
 I'll drag them with my 3 fingers to the side-stage 😂
 It seems that stable works pretty good. Axolotl finally works. On the N5 I could not add any contactpersons. Now i can
 @Nicktl [It seems that stable works pretty good. Axolotl finally works. On the N5 I could …], Great to hear. I am running an Xperia on devel as daily. Mostly fine and always up to date. But, well, just today an update broke devel. So judge the risk for yourself. I would think RC is a good compromise if you do not need 100% but 9X% are fine
[15:12] <ubptgbot> .
 I will look into that
 Been using Axolotl on N5. I can send and receive text and photos. I tested nothing else.
 Is it possible to install on UT application from tar.bz2 file?
 For example with help od Libertine 🤔
 My attemps finished with Libertine not seeing the file 😞
 Contenthub did not work for me on my Redmi 7 and I did not know what to do, but I came up with this, I rented a vps temporarily and on it I manually compiled the system (it was such a torment), unloaded it to a cloud disk, then downloaded it to my phone and reinstalled it. and that fixed the contenthub. And I have a question ..
[16:34] <ubptgbot> .. But was that bug able to leak from the development branch to the stable one?
 The people I got here have a problem ... What to do if in the system settings if the maximum screen brightness is set, it is still dim (incorrectly, as I understand it, it determines the maximum brightness). Maybe there are some ways to increase the maximum brightness by editing the configs?
 @AgnieszKa17 [Is it possible to install on UT application from tar.bz2 file?], wait, what are you trying to do?
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [The people I got here have a problem ... What to do if in the system settings if …], if the maximum brightness is incorrect that's a bug the porter should fix, i would suggest to file it with as much detail as possible
 @Fuseteam [wait, what are you trying to do?], I am trying to install Anki flashcards app on my UT phone 😇
 @AgnieszKa17 [I am trying to install Anki flashcards app on my UT phone 😇], oh anki, i may be mistaken, but i think someone was trying to bring it to ut. but i'm not 100% sure, if i had to say, i'm 30% sure of someone was attempting that
 Good to know 😄  however Open Store doesn't have it from what I see
[17:54] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> I switched chanel on kernel upgrade , made update, then reboot and stack on pine64 logo on my pinephone
[17:54] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> Did i made something wrong ?
 perhaps the latest update on kernel upgrade is broken
[17:55] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> ok, thanks for info
[17:56] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> next problem, i am trying to add rss url to Podbird, and after i paste a link, it just disapear and i cant add any podcast
 do you have ssh access perchance?
[17:57] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> i did not switch it on
 oh, is that also on the pinephone?
[17:57] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> is it switchon by default ?
 @Max Skrpka [i did not switch it on], oh ok hmm
 no not afaik
[17:57] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> how does podbird connect with SSH ?
 oh no not podbird, i was thinking about the previous problem
[18:00] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> if it broken - it broken
[18:00] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> no problem
[18:00] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> will stay on stable
 kay
[18:02] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> what about podbird
[18:02] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> do you have same problem too ?
 i will have to test
 i will test that later, when i'm home and get a hold of a link if i don't forget
[18:03] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> ok, cool, thanks
 feel free to ping in 6 hours if i don't get back to you
[18:05] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> ok, thanks
[18:06] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> still does not understand how SSH connect with broken kernelupdate chanel
[18:08] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> ssh could broke something ?
 no if you have ssh access, you try and get in to see what is wrong
[18:13] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> ah, you mean i could try connect via SHH when it stacks on Pine64 logo ?
[18:14] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> i think it does not even boot, just got frozen on logo
 (Photo, 1280x957) https://irc.ubports.com/xUkb0u0m.png got a nice keyboard case from AliExpress right before Easter holidays
 LevOwO
 Also sand link
 sus
 @NotKit [<reply to media>], Which lenovo tablet is that ?
 https://aliexpress.ru/item/1005001923574068.html
 [Edit] https://aliexpress.com/item/1005001923574068.html
 Lenovo M10 FHD gen2
 Lmao stealing bq name
 @NotKit [Lenovo M10 FHD gen2], The mediatek one?
 BQ M10 FHD
 @xyn_dev [The mediatek one?], yes
 Is there a difference between this one and the List variant?
 list variant?
 Plus"
 *
 Sorry, autocorrect
 basically it's X606F/X606X(A)
 And UBPorts works on both versions?
 I've tried Wi-Fi only, but modem should work in theory (the SoC is close to that on Volla except for PowerVR)
 Ah, gotcha
 Cause this seems like a very good alternative to the PineTab and JingTab
 specs are nothing like JingTab is supposed to promise, but it's cheap enough to just go the store and buy
 Yeah especially when spring holidays hit, it'll probably be on clearance
[18:50] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> @Max Skrpka [will stay on stable], its not ready to use for now as daily driver its seems it s more complicate for pinephone than to android phone
[18:51] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> Already use as dd :)
[18:51] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> UBport more ready then distros i used before
[18:51] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> on pinephone ?
[18:51] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> Yeap
 @NotKit [<reply to media>], Well done mate, that looks great.
[18:54] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> well i dont have the same feeling to my pinephone
[18:54] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> unable to send sms / mms to receved and have a call
[18:55] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> What distro is more ready then Ubports then ?
[18:55] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> What ?
[18:55] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> I don't have any problems withbsms
[18:55] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> And calls
[18:56] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> Even in crust
[18:56] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> maybe depending on carrier
[18:56] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> i m using french one (orange)
[18:58] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> Maybe, because my PP works like ussual phone
[18:58] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> Only thing is battery fly away like mad
[18:59] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> it s a ubport edition with 2gb ram maybe with the revision motherboard 1.2 and 3gb
[19:00] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> I have 1.2 too, with 2 gb
[19:01] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> Do you use podbird ?
[19:01] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> nope
[19:01] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> just telegram
[19:01] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> Ok
[19:02] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> i like the ui
[19:03] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> but i prefer mobian because you can install linux app
 @Nicolas S [but i prefer mobian because you can install linux app], do you mean commandline apps or gui apps?
[19:19] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> both
[19:20] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> @Nicolas S [but i prefer mobian because you can install linux app], so you have mobian right now ?
 @Nicolas S [both], but for gui apps there's libertine 👀
[19:20] <ubptgbot> <Nicolas S> yes
 @Fuseteam [but for gui apps there's libertine 👀], Libertine doesn't work on the pinephone, afaik, doesn't support wayland.
 yes, no xwayland working well yet
 @NotKit [<reply to media>], Ok mate, Im going to move on this and try and replicate your setup.
 Hello can I have some assistance getting AT&T to work
 On the Vollaphone
 When I try to select a carrier it gets stuck on loading
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/ioMRfxXI.png
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/vN36bfcx.png
 which technology does AT&T use in the US?
 GSM
 I already asked about it in the Volla telegram
 The device does support it
[20:46] <ubptgbot> Pranav was added by: Pranav
 (Photo, 604x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/O46Q8eXp.png Hello friends, I am about to learn and start working to port UT on this device.
 are you able to unlock bootloader on that?
 @NotKit [<reply to media>], Neat! I jealous! I pinetab! PineTab no good! I jealous! Snarf!
 yeah lomiri looks amazing on tablets
[21:05] <ubptgbot> Gonzalo Hart was added by: Gonzalo Hart
 @Pranav [<reply to media>], Huawei devices are hard or impossible to unlock. I would not recommend it.
 @NotKit [<reply to media>], Nice!  Are most things working for your Lenovo tablet port now?
[21:22] <ubptgbot> <Gonzalo Hart> [https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1377340744340361216](https://bit.ly/3fzI6m4) … Ellon CRAZY))))
 how is this a bitly link?
[21:23] <ubptgbot> * klaartje_b too
 @Gonzalo Hart [https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1377340744340361216 … Ellon CRAZY))))], This link apparently goes to  … "https://dmsx.eu/" when using a url unshortener
 Its the old scam of "Send x crypto and I'll send you triple"
 @TotalSonic [Nice!  Are most things working for your Lenovo tablet port now?], main issues now are small yet annoying graphical glitches and overall stability when I try to actually use it
 and Lenovo published only Android 9 kernel source code, which lacks support for front cam sensor on my revision
 @NotKit [and Lenovo published only Android 9 kernel source code, which lacks support for …], well considering there is no app allowing video chat on UT yet, front cam on tablets with UT is kind of not all that useful yet anyway.
 @Gonzalo Hart [https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1377340744340361216 … Ellon CRAZY))))], @Flohack @UniversalSuperBox spam
 @TotalSonic [well considering there is no app allowing video chat on UT yet, front cam on tab …], Uhh, some people may want a selfie cam.
 @klaartje_b [Uhh, some people may want a selfie cam.], true that.  But tablet cameras tend to be way poorer for that task than phone ones are
 Is that so? Good to know, this is going to be my first tablet.
 OTA-17 will be like.... so nice!
 (Photo, 1920x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/B1xMpUIl.png
 Holy F, that does look nice... so very polished!
 @Flohack [<reply to media>], is this new halium 9 recovery?
 @klaartje_b [Holy F, that does look nice... so very polished!], Well itsd a ripoff from LOS 16 recovery, and its only for Halium 9 yes :)
 or halium 7.1 recovery?
 7.1 is not nice to work with
 @Flohack [Well itsd a ripoff from LOS 16 recovery, and its only for Halium 9 yes :)], I don't particularly care where you got it from. 😏 … Okay, so I won't see it anytime soon.
 @Flohack [OTA-17 will be like.... so nice!], So jealous! No N5 love! Snarf! Cool it is!
 @Flohack [Huawei devices are hard or impossible to unlock. I would not recommend it.], Hmm. I see now
 @Pranav [Hmm. I see now], i deleted your picture since it included IMEI and such info