[20:54] <bhagatsr> rww:of cource it isnt supported coz ubuntu wants to push unity forward
[20:55] <MacByDayUbuntuBy> Afternoon all, I am running Ubuntu 10.10 with an nVidia GForce GTS 250 with dual head that is seen without issues, i was hoping to use the onboard ATI card to add a third monitor.  Is this possible?
[20:55] <Flowerpot> hi, a quesiton for qhich I didn't found or have anser
[20:55] <bhagatsr> rww:  of cource it isnt supported coz ubuntu wants to push unity forward
[20:55] <Flowerpot> I need to moun squashfs
[20:55] <Flowerpot> mount
[20:55] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: I just typed "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates" into the terminal
[20:56] <rww> bhagatsr: No, it isn't supported because compiling things from source and stomping all over the package management system is not supported.
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> rww: could make a deb from the compiled source...
[20:56] <rww> bhagatsr: And I'll thank you to not treat all of Ubuntu as a single entity. We have varying opinions of Unity :)
[20:57] <rww> ActionParsnip: Of GNOME 3? I'd find the attempt mildly entertaining.
[20:57] <BluesKaj> OmegaLimit, yes then sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade , that will install the new driver
[20:58] <Flowerpot> I have installed ultimate edition lite because I don't have a 4 gig pendrive atm
[20:58] <hex`> I for the first time am trying linux (ubuntu). I'm installin Eclipse using the package manager, however it is showing an error when downloading libservlet2.4... so I download the tar.gz manually, but I dont know how do I install it, since there's no .exe equivalent neither a .deb inside the package
[20:58] <MacByDayUbuntuBy> The system shows the ATI onboard in lspci but does not seem to acknowledge anything plugged into it
[20:58] <Flowerpot> since I have the iso with the gamers edition, which I mounted in /media/cdrom
[20:58] <rww> Flowerpot: Please talk to the Ultimate Edition folks, then. #ubuntu is for Ubuntu and its official derivatives.
[20:58] <bhagatsr> rww: well its good 4 linux that "u" have varying opinions
[20:59] <Flowerpot> I understand that, my question is general, How do you guys mount a squashfs?
[21:00] <MacByDayUbuntuBy> ActionParsnip?  Seem to remember seeing you in Gentoo IRC a while ago
[21:02] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: My X Server Settings window still says I have version 270. Do I need to restart?
[21:02] <ohzie> Hey guys. I just got a new HP. I believe the model name is HP 2000. I'm having a few issues with the networking and with the sound. My network is "disabled." I fixed the wired by using 'sudo ifconfig eth2 up' and then running 'sudo dhclient3' but I don't want to do that every time I boot. I was using wicd, and I've switched back to network manager. Not sure what to do from here, but I want to avoid breaking anything. :)
[21:02] <hex`> I for the first time am trying linux (ubuntu). I'm installin Eclipse using the package manager, however it is showing an error when downloading libservlet2.4... so I download the tar.gz manually, but I dont know how do I install it, since there's no .exe equivalent neither a .deb inside the package. How do I install it\?
[21:02] <ohzie> As far as the sound goes, it detects the sound card, it says its drivers are fine, but there's no sound coming out. If the laptop wasn't so new, I'd be tempted to think it's a faulty set of speakers, but they had to have worked when they shipped it.
[21:02] <BluesKaj> OmegaLimit, yes
[21:03] <rww> hex`: what's the error you get while downloading?
[21:03] <ohzie> hex`: The best thing to do if you're getting an error downloading a package in the package manager, is to try to get that library from a different repository or mirror
[21:03] <hex`> Error 404
[21:03] <ohzie> That is just my opinion though.
[21:03] <hex`> yes, I tried to change to other 3 different mirrors
[21:03] <ohzie> Weird.
[21:03] <hex`> but the error still
[21:03] <hex`> so I searched it manually and downloaded the .tar.gz
[21:04] <ohzie> hex`: The tar.gz probably is source code. Is there a makefile in there?
[21:04] <hex`> 1 sec
[21:05] <hex`> theres no makefile in the root of the tar.gz
[21:05] <hex`> the file came with to directories in it: jsr152 and jsr154
[21:05] <hex`> there's no makefile on none of those direct
[21:06] <ohzie> hex`: I am very sorry, this is probably beyond me then. :[
[21:06] <ohzie> But I would rather tell you I shouldn't help than attempt to help and muck up your system.
[21:06] <hex`> ok man, no problem ;)
[21:07] <cypha> how do I restart X?
[21:08] <gpmanrpi> I'd like to set the default printer depending on the SSID of the wireless network I am connected to. Is there an easy way to script such behavior?
[21:08] <ohzie> cypha: sudo service gdm restart I velieve
[21:08] <ohzie> cypha: Failing that, sudo ./etc/init.d/gdm restart
[21:09] <nicofs> I want to share a folder via network to a windows machine. the remote pc can see the folder but not access it. what can i do? i enabled sharing of the folder vie the nautilus dialogue.
[21:09] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: It shows as being 280 now, but the video change to clone mode still doesn't work
[21:10] <Dogget> Having troubles installing the right driver for my brother mfc-j265w. Help more than welcome friends
[21:12] <OvermindDL1> So, "ffmpeg -f alsa -ac 1 -i hw:1,0 -f x11grab -r 30 -s 1920x1200 -i :0.0 -acodec pcm_s16le -vcodec libx264 -vpre lossless_ultrafast -threads 0 output.mkv" always returns "[alsa @ 0x806640]cannot open audio device hw:1,0 (Device or resource busy)"  Why would my external mic be busy when it works in all other programs?
[21:12] <BluesKaj> OmegaLimit,  bummer , can you run the hdmi out in singular mode , no clone ?
[21:12] <tanath> i thought this was an open source community
[21:13] <tanath> why do i have to be logged in to browse ubuntuforums.org ??
[21:13] <zigzag2> I have a canon mf3200 and I can't find a driver for it to work with ubuntu. Help please? <-- the generic printer selection doesn't even work. I get a "cups" error
[21:13] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: Just tried to dual screen it again but it went black and died on me
[21:14] <rww> tanath: ask #ubuntuforums
[21:14] <tanath> thx
[21:16] <cypha> anyone on a lenovo?
[21:16] <cypha> need mouse help
[21:16] <ryan_46> ryan
[21:16] <sveinse> When changing runlevels in with upstart, how is start and stop ordering handled? E.g. if I'm in runlevel 2 and enters level 3, will the "stop on runlevel [!2]" services stop before the "start on runlevel [3]" are started?
[21:17] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: When I try to enable the TV, my laptop screen goes black and I have to restart, meanwhile the TV remains on "No Signal"
[21:17] <uw_> ubuntu 10.04/ Nautilus 2.30.1 question.  how can i get the path to show in a freakin text box so i can quickly copy it.  right now it has each directory in a cute annoying little box that i cant copy
[21:17] <uw_> anybody have this problem before?
[21:17] <ohzie> uw_: I've hated that for a long time
[21:18] <BluesKaj> OmegaLimit, check this out , http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=87043
[21:18] <ohzie> uw_: If you figure out how to change it back to not suck mode, please tell me
[21:18] <ohzie> uw_: I will forever be in your debt.
[21:18] <uw_> ohzie, sure!  this has been bugging me forever too but could never figure it out
[21:18] <Xenophon> Anyone using Bumblebee for Optimus graphics?
[21:18] <uw_> even after looking around a little and trying some thing
[21:18] <uw_> *s
[21:19] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: Still nothing :(
[21:20] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: I also saved x conf files using the button in the X Server Settings, but I don't know how to recall them
[21:21] <BluesKaj> OmegaLimit, did you read the part about the jumper ? looks like that's bit much
[21:21] <usr13> ubottu: !upstart | sveinse
[21:21] <ohzie> Can anybody help me troubleshoot my sound? Using a new HP 2000 and the sound doesn't work. It detects the device (Intel 5 series/3400) and I think it is under the impression that my sound is fine, but it's not working. :[
[21:21] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: Yeah but I don't have a jumper and I know this has worked before
[21:21] <BluesKaj> OmegaLimit, run sudo nvidia-xconfig again ..it's along shot but ...
[21:22] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: Same output
[21:22] <BluesKaj> do you have dvi out ?
[21:23] <sveinse> usr13: I know that, but upstart still has concepts of runleves to support the policy manual, so the question still stands
[21:23] <vio> hi
[21:23] <usr13> OmegaLimit: xrandr --addmode VGA 1024x768 ; xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768
[21:23] <vio> if i use the live cd on a mac, will i be able to access the mac partition and delete files etc?
[21:23] <sav_> Would somebody be kind enough to help me with my corrupted external hard drive? It doesn't have any of my data on it, but I can't for the life of me create a partition table, let alone a partition.
[21:24] <OmegaLimit> usr13: xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[21:24] <OmegaLimit> xrandr: cannot find output "VGA"
[21:24] <OmegaLimit> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[21:24] <OmegaLimit> warning: output VGA not found; ignoring
[21:24] <OmegaLimit> usr13: I'm using HDMI
[21:24] <BluesKaj> usr13, that's pretty crappy res for a hidef tv
[21:24] <usr13> !runlevel | sveinse
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: makes things nice and big :)
[21:25] <usr13> OmegaLimit: That was just an example, (from man xrandr)
[21:25] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, yeah big n ugly :)
[21:25] <OmegaLimit> Also, for some reason if I try to change the resolution for the LG TV, the laptop resolution is what gets changed
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: each to their own
[21:26] <usr13> OmegaLimit: xrandr  with no arguments shows all possible screensize options
[21:26] <sveinse> usr13: I know that as well. *sigh*. My question is simple: Does upstart stop the services belonging to some condition (here leaving a runlevel) before starting the services to the same condition
[21:26] <sav_> Would somebody be kind enough to help me with my corrupted external hard drive? It doesn't have any of my data on it, but I can't for the life of me create a partition table.
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> sav_: use /dev/zero with dd to zero it out, may help
[21:27] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, 1920x1080 here ...42" plasma
[21:27] <OmegaLimit> usr13: It does the same thing if I try to use the command for HDMI
[21:28] <sav_> ActionParsnip: dd?
[21:28] <BluesKaj> not a real big tv , but it suits us just fine , ActionParsnip
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: BluesKaj 1280x1024 32" Tosh screen
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> sav_: it wil keep putting 0s to the drive from start to end
[21:28] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, nice
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: 42" plasma is sweet too :D
[21:29] <sav_> ActionParsnip: But I don't understand what you're asking me to do.
[21:29] <usr13> OmegaLimit: What kind of cable are you using?
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> sav_: what is the drive's name (someting like /dev/sdb)
[21:29] <sav_> ActionParsnip: What is dd? Is it a command?
[21:29] <OmegaLimit> usr13: Belkin HDMI
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> sav_: yes, dd is a command
[21:29] <sav_> ActionParsnip: yes, it's that exactly
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> sav_: sudo fdisk -l     will show it's name
[21:29] <sav_> ActionParsnip: Alright
[21:30] <ohzie> dd is for carbon copy
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> sav_: so /dev/sdb IS it's name, its super important it is the right one
[21:30] <ohzie> cc was taken. :|
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> sav_: if you verify it's the name I can give a command
[21:31] <sav_> ActionParsnip: It says that placing the address is an "unrecognized operand"
[21:31] <sav_> ActionParsnip: I typed dd /dev/sdb
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> sav_: that's not the command, are you 100% sure it is /dev/sdb
[21:31] <usr13> OmegaLimit: xrandr doesn't seem to have HDMI option, far as I can tell.
[21:32] <vio> if i use the live cd on a mac, will i be able to access the mac partition and delete files etc?
[21:32] <OmegaLimit> I'm not really sure what to do about this; I don't understand why occasionally it'll just work if I plug the cable in and change a few settings but most of the time I spend 2 hours fighting with the configurations because they all cause the laptop to hang
[21:32] <sav_> ActionParsnip: You just said dd is a command, and yes, I'm 100% sure.
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> sav_: then run:    sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb
[21:33] <interglossa> anyone else notice problems with battery status applet after the latest 10.04LTS linux update?
[21:33] <sav_> ActionParsnip: Oh lawd. Okay, running...
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> sav_: it will write 0s from the very start of the drive to the end, destroying all data and partition info (hence you have to be 100% sure)
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> sav_: when it's finished, use gparted as you expect and repartition the drive as you wish
[21:34] <sav_> ActionParsnip: I see.
[21:34] <usr13> ActionParsnip: you might use bs option to speed things up a bit
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> sav_: it's a great command, I just tread VERY carefully when advising it
[21:34] <sav_> ActionParsnip: Of course.
[21:34] <MagicJ> ActionParsnip: earlier today you asked me to do a pasetbin on the problem with the apt-get fialing - then u were gone - here is the URL http://pastebin.com/0gzKkdN9
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> usr13: I only know the basic one
[21:35] <sav_> ActionParsnip: I can confirm that it's acting upon the external. Little light's blinking like crazy.
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> sav_: cool :)
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> MagicJ: wow you got a lot of spare kernels dude
[21:36] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: I just tried making the LG primary and disabling my laptop screen, but all that happens when I apply is my laptop screen goes black
[21:36] <sav_> ActionParsnip: Thank you for introducing me to this command. I was afraid I'd tried everything. :) Let's see how this turns out...
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> MagicJ: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/589356
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> sav_: hopefully it will set the drive to square one and you can build up
[21:37] <usr13> ActionParsnip: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4096
[21:37] <sav_> ActionParsnip: I hope so. No amount of formatting seems to have stuck.
[21:37] <usr13> ActionParsnip: default is 512
[21:38] <sav_> ActionParsnip: Just got this thing, too
[21:38] <Gentoo64> sav_- wha is it, an ssd?
[21:39] <Gizmosis> That didn't work either :(
[21:39] <sav_> Gentoo64: Um, not sure what you mean. It's a laptop hard drive that I put into a case.
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> usr13: i see, well its running now so screw it, will bear in mind for future. Does it achieve the same thing?
[21:39] <MagicJ> Actionparsnip: I see that the reference is similar - what am  I missing - I do not see a solution there
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> MagicJ: seems to be an issue with that kernel
[21:40] <sav_> Gentoo64: It was sent to a friend as a replacement. Ever since I tried to format it upon finding it had windows preloaded, everything has gone downhill
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> MagicJ: I recommend you remove some of the old kernels too, taking up unecessary space
[21:40] <Gizmosis> Do you guys have any other ideas?
[21:40] <usr13> ActionParsnip: Yes, just faster.
[21:40] <Gentoo64> sav_- what do you mean? are you not able to format it?
[21:40] <MagicJ> ActionParsnip: how do I remove them?
[21:41] <sav_> Gentoo64: It's a long story, and no, currently every attempt to format it results in an error or doesn't stick.
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> MagicJ: use software centre, same as any other package. Just do NOT remove the current kernel. If you run:  uname -r    you can see the kernel you are running. You can remove the older kernels and get ~120Mb per kernel in free space :)
[21:43] <usr13> ActionParsnip: 512*2*2*2=4096
[21:43] <zigzag2> is there a windows printer wrapper of sorts? perhaps?
[21:43] <OmegaLimit> I don't think anyone else has encountered my particular problem as I can't find any info anywhere
[21:44] <Paddy_NI> OmegaLimit what's the problem?
[21:45] <OmegaLimit> Paddy_NI: Laptop refuses to connect properly to LG TV via HDMI, have a GeForce 8200M G vid card
[21:45] <BluesKaj> OmegaLimit, there are some that I've found searching the net , but very few effective solutions ...I did ask if you have a dvi output , which might work in place of the hdmi ..you'll need to buy an adapter dvi to hdmi tho
[21:46] <Paddy_NI> OmegaLimit let me have a search around
[21:46] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: Yeah, the only thing is I don't want to buy an adapter because I know this has worked before
[21:46] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: It just won't work now
[21:46] <sav_> ActionParsnip: Er, how long will this operation take on a 160GB hdd?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> usr13: yeah but does it still zero the drive fully? How is it different?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> sav_: long time
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> sav_: it is changing every single bit on the drive to 0
[21:47] <MagicJ> ActionParsnip: sorry to be so dense but I do not see how to do that with the software center - is there anyway to do it at the shell anyway
[21:47] <usr13> OmegaLimit: Does the port on your laptop look like this?:  http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mangalorelink.com/cyberplus/wp-content/uploads/VGA-Port.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.mangalorelink.com/cyberplus/cyber-notes/how-to-connect-your-laptop-pc-computers-to-hdtv-to-watch-internet-or-online-movies/attachment/vga-port/&h=264&w=396&sz=20&tbnid=XNWf7R-PD9TSYM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=129&prev=/search%3Fq%3DVGA%2Bport%2Bimage%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=VGA+port
[21:47] <Gentoo64> that is one epic long link
[21:47] <rww> correct URL: http://www.mangalorelink.com/cyberplus/wp-content/uploads/VGA-Port.JPG
[21:48] <rww> please look before pressing enter on your messages.
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> MagicJ: gimme a sec I'll make you a command. What is the output of: uname -r
[21:48] <OmegaLimit> usr13: I have one of those yes but I'm using the HDMI
[21:48] <BluesKaj> OmegaLimit, undertstood and it's a bummer , and very frustrating ...i had digital audio out probs for ages til I discovered how to change the settings in alsamixer and phonon to make them pass the styream properly
[21:48] <sav_> ActionParsnip: Okay. I'm going to go make crepes then. I'll be back to let you know how it goes.
[21:48] <usr13> OmegaLimit: Or like this: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tekserve.com/images/rentals/dvi.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tekserve.com/rentals/equipment/displays.php&h=186&w=432&sz=18&tbnid=qjR-Q2olXRbiRM:&tbnh=53&tbnw=123&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddvi%2Bport%2Bimage%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=dvi+port+image&docid=GtZtV5Z-k8RzOM&sa=X&ei=G_FGTsHlDYi3sQLpq4ySCA&ved=0CB0Q9QEwAQ&dur=468
[21:48] <rww> usr13: stop that.
[21:49] <OmegaLimit> usr13: The former
[21:49] <MagicJ> ActionParsnip: uname -r made 2.6.32-33-generic
[21:49] <BluesKaj> usr13, ever heqard of tinyurl .com
[21:49] <usr13> OmegaLimit: So it is dvi
[21:49] <bernhard1> this is my problem.. installed ubuntu server 11.4.. but when it is shut down it says it is not cleanly unmounted..  then.. when i boot i get this error. mountall: fsck /boot{344}  terminated with status 1  then.. about 50 lines.. cannot write bytes: broken pipe when i fix the errors with knoppix cd after one or two reboots i have the same error. This is my syslog ? http://pastebin.com/4wRJdULM
[21:49] <bernhard1> It seem to be filesystem errors: repare the disk with: fsck /dev/sda1 output: /dev/sda1 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced. check disk after repair: fsck /dev/sda1 echo $? output: /dev/sda: clean .After the next reboot i start with the same errors.. mountall: fsck /boot{344} terminated with status 1  then.. about 50 lines.. cannot write  bytes: broken pipe. Any idears ??
[21:49] <usr13> BluesKaj: Yea, should have used that.
[21:49] <rww> should have just used the actual image URL
[21:49] <Paddy_NI> OmegaLimit it seems an update my have caused your problem.. Have you tried booting the an older kernel?
[21:50] <qin> Did someone played around bitlbee and notify-send?
[21:50] <qin> *play
[21:50] <Paddy_NI> *may
[21:50] <Gentoo64> has anyone ever completed chromium bsu on impossible?
[21:50] <usr13> rww: Yes, I see: http://www.tekserve.com/images/rentals/dvi.jpg
[21:50] <rww> usr13: indeed
[21:50] <usr13> Much shorter
[21:50] <rww> Google Image Search is a bit silly like that :)
[21:50] <OmegaLimit> Paddy_NI: I haven't, but this was just working Thursday and I don't think I've updated anything since then
[21:51] <OmegaLimit> Paddy_NI: I was having the same problem until I just kept fiddling with the settings and it eventually just decided to work after the n-th try
[21:51] <daffy_> hey all, what does the -n command do? i've been looking but I an not seem to find it.
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> MagicJ: http://pastebin.com/YcqAwzc7
[21:52] <usr13> daffy_: -n  switch?  For what command?
[21:52] <ActionParsnip> MagicJ: the text file shown is the before and after space usage
[21:52] <Paddy_NI> Hmm it's rather odd/unlikely that it suddenly stopped working.. Although I guess in some cases that does happen, have you tried booting a live usb/cd to test?
[21:53] <OmegaLimit> Paddy_NI: I'd have to make another one
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> rww: yeah bing doesn't do that ;)
[21:53] <daffy_> i seen it in a comment on a artile and didnt reonize it, thanks
[21:53] <daffy_> reconize
[21:53] <usr13> ActionParsnip: I don't use bing
[21:54] <Paddy_NI> Brb using the phone to irc and it's a little cumbersome
[21:54] <daffy_> google her
[21:54] <daffy_> here
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> usr13: I use it for images, sick of google adding it;s text to links
[21:55] <usr13> IC
[21:55] <ndxtg> anyone know how to use nautilus to browse an ssh of an ssh? HomePC -> ssh DistancePC1 -> ssh DistancePC2 (because DistancePC2 is only accessible in intranet)
[21:55] <ndxtg> *does
[21:55] <usr13> ndxtg: Sure.  Just connect to one and then to the other...
[21:56] <usr13> works fine...
[21:56] <ActionParsnip> ndxtg: you can mount the sshfs of pc2 and then browse the SSHFS of pc1 using your client, you will then see the files of pc2 as they are mounted
[21:56] <Gentoo64> is there any way to edit that "go" menu in nautilus? or any file manager
[21:56] <daffy_> wow there is almost as many bans going on now as when the mod on /b/  saw boxxy
[21:56] <usr13> ndxtg: Oh, to use nautilus?  I don't know what you are talking about.
[21:56] <goddard> i have software install in opt how can i get this working with gnome shortcuts and terminal?
[21:57] <daffy_> i saw a memenu for unity
[21:57] <MagicJ> ActionParsnip: I ran your command - it ran beautifully did not seem to help though - 42% useage - what now
[21:57] <daffy_> me menu
[21:57] <Gentoo64> goddard- just type the path
[21:57] <aatifh> Hi all, i am trying to setup my computer as wireless access point using hostapd, but i am getting this(http://pastebin.com/tAb1jpHD) error when i run "hostapd hostapd.conf"
[21:57] <ndxtg> ActionParsnip: unfortunately I dont have root access to mount a sshfs :(
[21:57] <aatifh> Can anyone please suggest some way out for this problem. I am using ubuntu 9.10
[21:57] <goddard> Gentoo64: i know that is an option but id like to learn how to intergrate new software
[21:58] <greggg> When capturing through the rear mic, I get low and muffled sound; the front mic works perfectly (and the rear mic works perfectly in Windows). I checked in alsamixer that the rear mic is not muted, and set the rear mic boost to 100%. Any ideas on how to go about getting the rear mic to work? I'm using Ubuntu 11.04.
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> ndxtg: do you have sudo access?
[21:58] <Gentoo64> goddard- for a shortcut, just type the path thats all
[21:58] <ndxtg> ActionParsnip: no I'm just a normal user on DistancePC1
[21:58] <usr13> aatifh: I guess one would need to look at   Configuration file: hostapd.conf
[21:58] <goddard> Gentoo64: i dont follow.. how can i get it in my gnome menu?
[21:59] <goddard> Gentoo64: i use ubuntu classic
[21:59] <daffy_> are you on a guest user?
[21:59] <Gentoo64> goddard- i think its in the gnome menu settings, called "menu" or similar.
[21:59] <Gentoo64> no sarcasm intended there btw
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> ndxtg: hmm, then you may have issues. Get the admin to mount it for you (or give you access) then you can
[22:00] <goddard> Gentoo64: thanks i will look
[22:00] <ndxtg> ActionParsnip & usr13: thank you for your help :) will try my best
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> goddard: if you run:  alacarte   you can manipulate the menus as you wish
[22:00] <Gentoo64> goddard- ok. go into that and you can add new things wherever you like, just type the path and add an icon
[22:00] <qin> ndxtg: youcan sshfs intranet_only remote and sshfs remote local
[22:01] <goddard> ActionParsnip: ahh i see
[22:01] <daffy_> are you looking for the applications places and system menu
[22:01] <Joe_> hey, in been massing with different desktop enviroments like LXDE on my ubuntu laptop. for gnome and lxde i can choose which i waant from the login screen, is there a way to do that with terminal. no gui like Server kinda
[22:01] <qin> I need to scroll more, ndxtg sorry.
[22:02] <ndxtg> qin: dw I got the idea. I however have the root access to DistancePC2, so I just mount the DistancePC2 to a dir on DistancePC1 hence simply access DistancePC1 :)
[22:02] <dr_willis> switching desktops on the server? Huh. How are you gettting to the desktop oon the server? :)
[22:03] <usr13> Joe_  Ctrl-ALt-F6
[22:03] <dr_willis> Dexo:  its set in the .dmrc file if you  just use startx,
[22:03] <daffy_> who uses the classicc menu indicator
[22:03] <daffy_> for ubity
[22:03] <daffy_> unity
[22:04] <usr13> dr_willis: I suppose you would have to first dissable gdm tho
[22:04] <ghostnik11> can shinko printers work with ubuntu? as i know most printers work on ubuntu no matter the model or manufacture
[22:04] <usr13> dr_willis: ... but not clear on what his question is.
[22:05] <MagicJ> ActionParsnip: I should add that the file shows same 42% both before and after
[22:05] <OmegaLimit> Regarding this TV connection problem, I also used to just be able to press Fn+f4 to switch display modes with something plugged in
[22:05] <OmegaLimit> However, the combo no longer works
[22:06] <aatifh> usr13, Here it is: http://pastebin.com/JcHUbL37 Thanks in advance
[22:06] <usr13> ghostnik11: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/openprinting/database/databaseintro
[22:06] <fake_handle> hi. does the alternate cd run as a livecd or is it just for installing ubuntu?
[22:06] <ikonia> fake_handle: just installing
[22:06] <steve^> I'm trying so hard to like Unity.. but why did they release something that's so buggy?
[22:07] <fake_handle> ...
[22:07] <fake_handle> waste of bandwidth
[22:07] <hylian> i installed lxde on my ubuntu, but when i log into it there is no way to connect to a wireless router...
[22:07] <fake_handle> so should i get the desktop iso for use as a livecd?
[22:08] <usr13> aatifh: Ok, what is it doing?  (or not doing?)
[22:08] <OerHeks> fake_handle, that is the only way
[22:08] <aatifh> usr13, doing as in?
[22:08] <usr13> aatifh: First off, what wifi card do you have?
[22:08] <fake_handle> OerHeks: thx
[22:08] <usr13> aatifh: What does lspci say about it?
[22:09] <hylian> steve^, i know, i changed to xubuntu, just to get away from the gnome 2 dying / Unity taking over debacle... but that's for another board.
[22:09] <usr13> aatifh: See my PM
[22:09] <urlin2u> hylian, you have the regular ubuntu install as well?
[22:09] <OmegaLimit> Is this is an ubuntu-specific problem, does anyone know?
[22:09] <steve^> hylian, don't suppose you can recommend something similar to the launcher and it's search functionality?
[22:09] <hylian> urlin2u, yeah, on another pc.
[22:10] <Dexo> that was a fail, my irc client stoped letting me send msg's
[22:10] <hylian> steve^, for unity, no, sorry.
[22:10] <triplc> Hi all
[22:10] <steve^> hylian, for xfce
[22:10] <urlin2u> hylian, so the lubunbtu is a lubuntu install, not a additional desktop?
[22:11] <steve^> hylian, it's the only good bit of unity that i'd miss
[22:11] <pea_brain> Dear all if i customize 11#04 using uck will i be violating any licenses ?
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> hylian: unity isn't a DE so doesn't replace gnome in any way
[22:11] <hylian> gotta go see if i fixed my lxde wireless absense thingy, brb if i didn't.
[22:12] <OmegaLimit> Ok what the hell, it just workedf
[22:12] <OmegaLimit> I did the same thing I've been doing
[22:12] <Reznov> Ciao , I have one problem with gDesklets , I cant connect on it's deamon , get time out error when its trying to connect on deamon . I just installed it from terminal , and deamon is installat , I'm pretty sure about that . UBUNTU 10.04
[22:12] <triplc> Please recommend a guide to install X minimal. I installed Ubuntu from 'alternate iso' with "command line" option. Then i install 'apt-get --no-install-recommends install nvidia nvidia-setting xserve-xorg xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi'. then i run 'startx', but it report error 'no screen found' (checking the log seeing nvidia driver is loaded ok)
[22:13] <dr_willis> hylian:  there should be a network manager/icon in the panels somewhere..
[22:13] <Imrac> I ran remastersys on my ubuntu server install to try and make a live cd, I had a custom tty1.conf, once remastered, the tty1.conf is still the same in the squash file, but when booting off the CD it has changed. How do I stop this?
[22:13] <dr_willis> I thought Lubuntu/lxde used the exact same networkmanager stuff as gnome.
[22:13] <Dexo> can someone give me an idea on how much resources lxde (on ubuntu) uses compared to gnome (on ubuntu 10.04)
[22:13] <dr_willis> well as ubuntu does..
[22:13] <mygfiscontradict> how can i login as root on server?
[22:13] <mygfiscontradict> via ssh
[22:13] <diamonds> Evolution:
[22:13] <diamonds> how do I get the main inbox to accrue emails?
[22:14] <syn-ack> mygfiscontradict, You can't.
[22:14] <diamonds> I'm connected to an acct. but the main inbox is empty
[22:14] <mygfiscontradict> syn-ack: any way to enable that?
[22:14] <diamonds> "on this computer" > Inbox
[22:14] <syn-ack> That's not supported in this channel, so sadly, I can't help you.
[22:14] <Benkinooby> Dexo, less... from my experience. but from my experience i learned too, that the applications are influenceing your performance much more. firefox, will always be slow, no matter if you're on gnome or lxde or *box
[22:14] <mygfiscontradict> diamonds: can i ssh into ubuntu as root?
[22:14] <dr_willis> mygfiscontradict:  you ssh in as a user. and then sudo to root as needed.
[22:14] <diamonds> mygfiscontradict: I don't know
[22:14] <Benkinooby> Dexo, best you install the package lxde and test yourself
[22:15] <diamonds> I think you can sudo bash if you want a root shell
[22:15] <Benkinooby> Dexo, you can have gnome and lxde side by side and decide later
[22:15] <willwh> sudo su...
[22:15] <mygfiscontradict> thank you dr_willis
[22:15] <dr_willis> mygfiscontradict:  if you have a root password enabled. you might be able to ssh in directly. but its not really suyggested
[22:15] <mygfiscontradict> dr_willis: that was very helpful!
[22:15] <willwh> never ever ever allow root login over ssh
[22:15] <dr_willis> dont use sudo bash.. :) sudo -s or sudo -i as needed...
[22:15] <OmegaLimit> BluesKaj: I have no idea how it worked, but it did
[22:15] <Dexo> i have and i can see lxde is much less resource intensive, i just wanted to see if i could get some numbers
[22:15] <syn-ack> mygfiscontradict, you're not going to get any help beyond what dr_willis told you.
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> Dexo: check the min requirements of both, its on the same page
[22:15] <diamonds> who here uses evolution for mail?
[22:15] <mygfiscontradict> that was perfect :)
[22:15] <diamonds> hands?
[22:16] <diamonds> anyway does anyone know what the "on this computer" > inbox is for?
[22:16] <Benkinooby> Dexo, hm, you won't get numbers... it depends on the computer for real meassures, and the minimal requirements given on the webiste are not very reliablöe
[22:16] <Dexo> actionparsnip: same page as what?
[22:16] <Imrac> mygfiscontradict: sudo /sbin/sulogin should give you root
[22:16] <willwh> diamonds: pop3 mailboxes
[22:16] <diamonds> willwh: so I won't be using it at all with imap?
[22:16] <willwh> no
[22:17] <Benkinooby> Dexo, here for lxde the system requirements http://lxde.org/lxde
[22:17] <dr_willis> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/05/09/a-root-shell-on-ubuntu-the-right-way/   some good info on how you are supposed to get a root shell the proper way....
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> Dexo: the gnome requirements
[22:17] <hylian> i give up for now.
[22:17] <mygfiscontradict> what is the default root password on ubuntu server?
[22:17] <mygfiscontradict> thank you Imrac
[22:17] <dr_willis> mygfiscontradict:  i dont think there is one.
[22:17] <yesitisjustme> has anyone used ntop?
[22:17] <diamonds> willwh: can I hide it?
[22:17] <mygfiscontradict> can i login to root from tty1?
[22:18] <dr_willis> mygfiscontradict:  please read at -> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/05/09/a-root-shell-on-ubuntu-the-right-way/  to learn some fundamentals about sudo root shells..
[22:18] <willwh> diamonds: I don't know, are you that OCD? ;]
[22:18] <mygfiscontradict> thank you
[22:18] <dr_willis> mygfiscontradict:  if root has no password.. No...
[22:18] <aron> hi all
[22:18] <hylian> mygfiscontradict, there shouldn't be one, atleast not a human discernable one. that's one of the main designs of ubuntu
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> mygfiscontradict: not by default, the account is disabled
[22:18] <diamonds> willwh: well I'm using linux, aren't I? ;)
[22:18] <mygfiscontradict> odd
[22:18] <dr_willis> direct logging in as root is normally disabled for security reasons mygfiscontradict
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> mygfiscontradict: there is no root password
[22:18] <diamonds> I must have a screw loose :p
[22:18] <mygfiscontradict> ok, wow. this place is awesome!
[22:18] <dr_willis> mygfiscontradict:  not odd at all. its  how its designed..
[22:18] <hylian> mygfiscontradict, sudo command or sudo su will give you a similar result
[22:18] <willwh> diamonds: hahaha - touche!
[22:18] <Guest80959> can anyone help mewith basic programming on gambas2 please
[22:18] <willwh> diamonds: I am not sure if you can or not; google?
[22:18] <dr_willis> mygfiscontradict:  do not use 'sudo su' either... like was suggested..
[22:19] <mygfiscontradict> thank you dr_willis , ActionParsnip and hylian
[22:19] <diamonds> willwh: ty I'll check
[22:19] <fake_handle> hi. is the only difference between vanilla ubuntu and kubuntu KDE over Gnome?
[22:19] <dr_willis> The command sudo -i is the equivalent to the 'su -' command.  This will properly change to the root user, switch to the root user’s home directory, use his (her?) environment values, etc.
[22:19] <hylian> dr_willis, i have been using sudo su for years, sparingly, but what am i doing wrong so i can avoid danger...
[22:20] <Benkinooby> fake_handle, think so... maybe they have different settings... in the end, kubunut and ubuntu have the same base system uder the hood
[22:20] <dr_willis> hylian:  start useing sudo -i    get into good habbits.
[22:20] <hylian> dr_willis, thanks for the heads up :)
[22:20] <fake_handle> Benkinooby: thx
[22:20] <Benkinooby> fake_handle, so it is possible to turn a kubunut into a full ubuntu
[22:20] <goddard> have you heard that continued support for ubuntu may not happen unless it becomes profitable?
[22:20] <Dexo> also, i saw someone else had this issuse but i didnt get to see if he got a reply, how do i get a wireless connection on ubuntu 10.04 running lxde.
[22:20] <dr_willis> the core of 'why not this way or that way.. they work' is  'your default env variables and  settings may not be set correctly'
[22:20] <fake_handle> Benkinooby: yes. of course
[22:20] <willwh> goddard: in what content?
[22:20] <willwh> context*
[22:20] <Benkinooby> fake_handle, for that there are all these kubunut-desktop, ubunut-dektop ,.... packages
[22:21] <urlin2u> fake_handle, vanilla I think is a plain install of either, they are both just desktops, with differnt apps
[22:21] <hylian> goddard, no, but i am not the most red ubuntu'er either though.
[22:21] <mygfiscontradict> i'm trying to install this [http://www.mysql-apache-php.com/]
[22:21] <hylian> *read
[22:21] <mygfiscontradict> and i keep on getting errors such as "E: Package 'php4' has no installation candidate"
[22:21] <chenthu> fellas, is there a trusted repository for truecrypt...?
[22:21] <JakeR003> hail !
[22:21] <willwh> mygfiscontradict: because it doesn't
[22:21] <Polah> mygfiscontradict: That would be because PHP4 is no longer the latest.
[22:21] <willwh> why are you trying to install php4?
[22:21] <urlin2u> chenthu, the web site has a link and thats it.
[22:21] <willwh> mygfiscontradict: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[22:22] <mygfiscontradict> wow, thank you willwh
[22:22] <willwh> mygfiscontradict: google is your friend
[22:22] <mygfiscontradict> willwh, Polah, thank you
[22:22] <goddard> willwh: just reading a few articles with interviews from Mark Shuttleworth http://www.devside.net/articles/ubuntu-linux-dying
[22:22] <chenthu> urlin2u, is ther an alternative to truecrypt which is installed in ubuntu by default?
[22:22] <willwh> "google: ubuntu apache mysql"
[22:22] <mygfiscontradict> willwh, I googled the isse
[22:22] <mygfiscontradict> will do now :)
[22:22] <willwh> goddard: meh - always been his plan
[22:22] <Gentoo64> willwh- youll get told off for that
[22:22] <willwh> Gentoo64: for what?
[22:22] <Gentoo64> saying the word google
[22:23] <dr_willis> !lamp
[22:23] <goddard> willwh: what has?
[22:23] <willwh> goddard: profit from ubuntu - why else does canonical exisat?
[22:23] <willwh> exist*
[22:23] <urlin2u> chenthu, there is  encrypt I believe used at install to encrypt home
[22:23] <goddard> willwh: that is a given but it isn't profitable
[22:23] <goddard> willwh: what happens when they close shop? what happens to ubuntu?
[22:23] <mygfiscontradict> fyi guys, you're all awesome!
[22:23] <dr_willis> he wants to grow it into a profitable business.. thats how you make money. :)  but the money is in selling support. so he has to get the base extabilished first..
[22:24] <chenthu> urlin2u, oh ok...thank you for the info
[22:24] <willwh> goddard: there is a massive community around it
[22:24] <willwh> I wouldn't imagine it would die
[22:24] <urlin2u> chenthu, here s a link sorry last post not correct I was erasing and posted.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[22:24] <willwh> ther eis always debian... or a million other distros
[22:24] <dr_willis> great thing about GPL/Foss projects.. they tend to live on and on and on...
[22:24] <goddard> willwh: but arent the core developers the paid developers
[22:24] <chenthu> urlin2u, k...thank u again :)
[22:24] <JakeR003> freeBSD is not as widely used as linux but it's still there
[22:24] <willwh> goddard: did you just start using linux?
[22:24] <urlin2u> chenthu, not an area of expertise so keep asking and looking.
[22:24] <JakeR003> so ubuntu won't go anywhere
[22:25] <goddard> willwh: no why do you ask?
[22:25] <chenthu> urlin2u, sure i will
[22:25] <willwh> your questions strike me as odd
[22:25] <Gentoo64> goddard- if you had to pay for ubuntu, no one would use it
[22:26] <goddard> willwh: well then think of it this way continued support for developing technologies and the updates everyone in the ubuntu community has grown acustom to is because it has a financial backer once that backer is gone ubuntu might live but it wont be as good i am guessing
[22:26] <goddard> Gentoo64: i disagree i would pay for it as long as it worked better then it does now with proper driver support at the very least
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> debian has no backer and lives on and on :)
[22:27] <goddard> Gentoo64: and open source
[22:27] <JakeR003> is there a small player for ubuntu that plays everything?
[22:27] <JakeR003> media player
[22:27] <dr_willis> goddard:  or it may fork out and get better.. hard to tell.. depends on your focus/needs..   some would say  the direction ubuntu is going now is not the 'right' direction.
[22:27] <Gentoo64> goddard- but why? no one would use ubuntu if you had to pay, because almsot all the other ones are free
[22:27] <goddard> ActionParsnip: isn't that why most packages and software is so old?
[22:27] <dr_willis> JakeR003:  vlc plays most everything i have ever tossed at it.
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> JakeR003: they all share codecs so a any player can play anything giv en codecs
[22:27] <JakeR003> dr_willis i hate vlc anything els
[22:27] <Gentoo64> jakemp- mplayer2
[22:27] <dr_willis> JakeR003:  your loss...
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> goddard: no, debian has quite new packages
[22:27] <JakeR003> ok Gentoo64
[22:27] <JakeR003> thanks guys .. all
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> JakeR003: I always use gnome-mplayer
[22:28] <Gentoo64> jakemp- i use mplayer2 it plays every file
[22:28] <Gentoo64> and its light and fast
[22:28] <dr_willis> smplayer has some nice features.. but its not  small..
[22:28] <goddard> ActionParsnip: ahh not what i heard i will have to look into that
[22:28] <JakeR003> Gentoo64 i will try it
[22:28] <JakeR003> vlc is ulgy
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> JakeR003: just install ubuntu-restricted-extras and any player will play nearly anything
[22:28] <Gentoo64> and buggy
[22:28] <goddard> ActionParsnip: is that because ubuntu packages are compatibile?
[22:28] <willwh> JakeR003: there are a million vlc skins, use them?
[22:28] <dr_willis> JakeR003:  you do realize vlc is themable?  like LOOKS matter when you are watching a video fullscreened...
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> goddard: no, you shouldn't mix between
[22:28] <Gentoo64> jakemp- you dont need to install the mplayer gui, just choose open with "mplayer2"
[22:28] <hylian> JakeR003, you could use mplayer in cli :)
[22:29] <dr_willis> mplayer can work in the framebuffer - if you set it up right. :)
[22:29] <JakeR003> dr_willis it tasted bad once. so i don't want to try it again
[22:29] <JakeR003> liek bad food
[22:29] <dr_willis> JakeR003:  again.. your loss....
[22:29] <ghostnik11> usr13: thanks for link checked, they don't have shinko as manufacturer
[22:29] <Bert_2> Hi, is there a way to calibrate my touchscreen or should I install something like xinput-calibrator ?
[22:29] <Gentoo64> dr_willis- vlc is buggy as well as ugly
[22:29] <hylian> i have noticed one thing about mplayer, every once in a while the video plays faster than the audio, and then it dies as soon as the video is done killing the last half of the song.
[22:30] <acolin> Hi, simple question re modprobe.conf: path[TAG] = A_PATH directive: what is a 'tag'? How do I know which tag corresponds to which  modules? Also, is there a way to specify a path directive per module (as opposed to per tag), ie. path[mymodule] = MYPATH? Thank you in advance.
[22:30] <dr_willis> Gentoo64:  cant say ive ever had any issues with it.. and as for looks.. doesnt matter when i dont see the gui..  i dont find it ugly either..
[22:31] <JakeR003> thanks ActionParsnip i will also try what you said
[22:31] <dr_willis> does mplayer have the features to use nvidia gpu's features for enhanced playback? ive not noticed that feature. not realy looked lately.
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: it does
[22:31] <Gentoo64> dr_willis- vdpau? yes
[22:31] <dr_willis> Been out of the loop on that - since most of my machines dont even support it.
[22:31] <BluesKaj> OmegaLimit, orry was away having dinner , I think the video driver works , the tv probly uses scan software of some kind to search for signals and it takes time for it to lock up the signal once detected
[22:31] <ActionParsnip> mplayer rocks and was doing all the stuff vlc does now, years ago
[22:32] <hylian> i love the fact that if all gui's dissapeared tommorrow it wouldn't effect me.
[22:32] <Gentoo64> why?
[22:32] <Gentoo64> is the console your desktop? lol
[22:32] <hylian> Gentoo64, i can use it as such, yes.
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> hylian: pretty much the same
[22:32] <dr_willis> ive watched videos in   the console using  that ascii-output feature of mplayer  :) ages ago.. for fun...
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> Gentoo64: mlpayer doesn't need X to work
[22:33] <Gentoo64> i know
[22:33] <Gentoo64> but console isnt exactly nice
[22:33] <Gentoo64> lol
[22:33] <hylian> ActionParsnip, ahh, a man of quality, hassah! LOL
[22:33] <dr_willis> I seem to recall an issue with widescreen/console/video playback..  couldent do all the modes.. but been ages since ive bothered with console video playback.
[22:33] <numb> hi
[22:34] <hylian> Gentoo64, well, pretty no, nice to use, er, yes.
[22:34] <Gentoo64> hylian- each to their own
[22:34] <hylian> Gentoo64, ahh, so true, so true. :)
[22:34] <Gentoo64> having no X would depress me
[22:35] <BluesKaj> !wayland
[22:35] <goddard> Gentoo64: its kinda fun
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> hylian: can I PM?
[22:35] <BluesKaj> !info wayland
[22:35] <numb> i have a question
[22:35] <hylian> ActionParsnip, pm?
[22:35] <Gentoo64> BluesKaj- isnt wayland the thing that wont ever take off?
[22:35] <goddard> Gentoo64: although non-graphical web browser would suck
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> hylian: private message
[22:35] <Gentoo64> goddard- yes it does
[22:35] <hylian> numb, ask away my boy!
[22:35] <Gentoo64> links etc isnt exactly a nice experience lol
[22:35] <hylian> ActionParsnip, sure.
[22:35] <krux> specially having lots of cpu power and ram and using ubuntu that does no compilation i rather use some x to use my moneys worth
[22:36] <sav_> ActionParsnip, is it strange that it's still going?  I'm attempting to dual boot Linux Mint from a USB thumb drive alongside OS X, I boot into a live session from usb and I format the free space to a 1GB Swap partition and the rest as ext4 with mount point set to /. However the installer keeps failing when it gets to "Installing grub2".
[22:36] <BluesKaj> Gentoo64, it might if the devs ever work on it long enuff to solve the dependency issues
[22:36] <Gentoo64> idk i cant imagine it replacing x ever
[22:36] <TYDIRocks> Does anyeone know where I could find a guide to dual boot Ubuntu with Backtrack 5?
[22:37] <Gentoo64> TYDIRocks- just like nay dual boot
[22:37] <Gentoo64> install whatever ad add to grub
[22:37] <TYDIRocks> What? heh
[22:37] <Gentoo64> why install backtrack though?
[22:37] <Damis> I've tried leaving free space, as it's likely an issue with a boot loader if it's grub.
[22:37] <Gentoo64> its designd for livecd
[22:38] <BluesKaj> denny, supposedly in the ubuntu future , maybe in 12.10 ...doubt very much it'll be used in 12.04 LTS
[22:38] <TYDIRocks> Is livecd just using a cd and not installing?
[22:38] <Gentoo64> yes
[22:38] <Damis> But it keeps on doing it, the only things I can thing of doing is trying it from a CD or plugging into the net if it needs to download something (Wireless drivers aren't enabled by default)
[22:38] <numb> hey guy see this please and say me wjat should i do to solve the problem
[22:38] <numb> http://up1.iranblog.com/images/59Screenshot.png
[22:38] <TYDIRocks> hmm
[22:38] <TYDIRocks> I mean I think it'd be easier then carrying around a disk
[22:38] <Gentoo64> TYDIRocks- why do you even want backtrack?
[22:38] <BluesKaj> oops denny , sorry wrong guy
[22:38] <Gentoo64> you can install the programs you need on ubuntu
[22:38] <TYDIRocks> Should I install Ubuntu first?
[22:38] <numb> Gentoo64:  can i send you a pm?
[22:38] <Gentoo64> ok.. why?
[22:39] <ryoohki> when i do "dpkg -l | egrep -i virtualbox-ose | tr -s ' '" i see "virtualbox-ose 4.0.4-dfsg-1ubuntu4.1" but i can see virtualbox-ose 4.1.0-dfsg-2ubuntu1 is out but when i do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" the update never shows up, as well as previous updates like virtualbox-ose  4.0.10-dfsg-1ubuntu1  which was out 2011-07-04( more than a month ago)
[22:39] <numb> Gentoo64:  for solve a problem
[22:39] <_Shai> Hi, if I install GNOME 3 on Ubuntu 11.04 it will run correctly ?
[22:39] <e1n4hnd3r> Does anyone know why Ubuntu is telling me "no valid VPN secrets" when trying to connect to an openvpn tunnel?
[22:39] <mistik> ------------>
[22:39] <Gentoo64> i hear it causes problems
[22:39] <mistik> ----------->
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[22:39] <mistik> --------->
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[22:39] <FloodBot1> mistik: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:39] <Gentoo64> _Shai-
[22:40] <ikonia> _Shai: no. It will not
[22:40] <Gentoo64> numb- what problem? aligning the icons?
[22:41] <_Shai> ikonia: But, it will be the complete GNOME, because in the after version its have problem
[22:41] <ikonia> _Shai: what ?
[22:41] <urlin2u> _Shai, you might consider a distro gnome3 is the default.
[22:41] <Gentoo64> _Shai- whats the actual point? ubuntu has gnome 2 and unity and its supported
[22:42] <Gentoo64> you might as well not mess about with gnome 3
[22:42] <_Shai> Okey, thanks ;)
[22:42] <mygfiscontradict> how can see whats in a directory? how do i list files and folders via ssh
[22:42] <Gentoo64> ls
[22:42] <Gentoo64> ls -a
[22:42] <mygfiscontradict> nope, didn't work
[22:42] <Gentoo64> it will work
[22:43] <mygfiscontradict> ah
[22:43] <Gentoo64> its a standard command
[22:43] <mygfiscontradict> got it :)
[22:43] <Bert_2> Hi, is there a way to calibrate my touchscreen or should I install something like xinput-calibrator ?
[22:43] <mygfiscontradict> odd
[22:43] <mygfiscontradict> thanks Gentoo64
[22:43] <Gentoo64> ok
[22:43] <mygfiscontradict> i was typing I not L
[22:43]  * hylian is remeniscing on the days of loading my saved programs from audio cassette, and taking an hour and a half to load frogger.
[22:43] <Gentoo64> lol ok
[22:44] <lazarus_> hi all how can i be of assistance today?
[22:45] <Gentoo64> light my cigarette
[22:45] <ikonia> lazarus_: you can wait for someone to ask a question you know the answer to
[22:45] <Helenbean> hello
[22:45] <hylian> by writing your open source toaster to light cigs.. LOL
[22:45] <Gentoo64> :p
[22:45] <lazarus_> heh *sparks up *
[22:45] <Gentoo64> sudo spark me up
[22:46] <hylian> Helenbean, hello
[22:46] <Helenbean> I would like to ask a/some questions
[22:46] <hylian> Helenbean, ask a way my dear.
[22:46] <acolin> lazarus_: I'll repeat my question, then: Hi, simple question re modprobe.conf: path[TAG] = A_PATH directive: what is a 'tag'? How do I know which tag corresponds to which  modules? Also, is there a way to specify a path directive per module (as opposed to per tag), ie. path[mymodule] = MYPATH? Thank you in advance.
[22:46] <alex__> i need to use the latest version of minitube but the version given to me in apt-get is too old, how can i get latest ??
[22:46] <mygfiscontradict> you guys are way too awesome!
[22:47] <Gentoo64> alex__- there should be a repo
[22:47] <lazarus_> alex__: are there no ppa@s around?
[22:47] <hylian> alex__, yeah the repos in apt can be notoriously old (not debian old!). let me take a look
[22:48] <lazarus_> acolin: i have not got that much knowledge sorry
[22:48] <yesitisjustme> lazarus_  have you used ntop before?
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> alex__: there is the webupd8 ppa which has a newer version
[22:48] <Helenbean> I am installing ubuntu 11.04. When I thought I had completed I tried to start the computer and thought I would get a choice windows or ubuntu. I got a message that stated "video cannot be displayed" anyone know why?
[22:49] <Gentoo64> Helenbean- is that a monitor message?
[22:49] <Gentoo64> or a computer message
[22:49] <ram0042> no grub displays that
[22:49] <alex__> ActionParsnip, what is this ppa?
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> alex__: seek and you will find
[22:50] <Helenbean> so the monitor is the issue?
[22:50] <Gentoo64> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/minitube-14-plays-youtube-videos.html
[22:50] <hylian> Helenbean, yeah, the refresh rate or the screen resolution is either too high or too low. you can fix this with startupmanager.  you can find that in ubuntu software center
[22:50] <ram0042> Helenbean: most likley
[22:51] <Gentoo64> Helenbean- try turning your monitor off then back on see if it shows
[22:51] <Helenbean> thanks i will try that
[22:51] <rww> LiSt
[22:51] <rww> hrm, nvm. was scrolled up.
[22:51] <hylian> ActionParsnip, does that ppa have 1 or greater? i thought you could only get before version 1, so i was looking for the .deb. ppa is way better though.
[22:51] <alex__> oo found it thanks man
[22:52] <Helenbean> currently I am reinstalling ubuntu because I thought something went wrong
[22:52] <hylian> Helenbean, also, there is an advanced tabe, make sure to set the resolution in there as well. that is the one probably causing you the most grief.
[22:52] <hylian> *tab]
[22:52] <Helenbean> it was an action that took me a split second to decide
[22:53] <emex> holaaa
[22:53] <maalac> whenever i plug my usb drive on windows machine it is asking for it to format. I've encrypted it on Ubuntu 10.0 using Truecrypt why is this happenin?
[22:53] <hylian> Helenbean, sometimes you can change the resolution temporarily with control alt + or - (numpad only though)
[22:53] <mygfiscontradict> how can i edit /etc/vsftpd.conf?
[22:54] <lazarus_> umm i have a problem
[22:54] <Helenbean> Thank you
[22:54] <hylian> lazarus_, what's the prob bob?
[22:54] <Gentoo64> mygfiscontradict- nano /etc/vsftpd.conf
[22:54] <urlin2u> lazarus_, besides the nic. ;)
[22:54] <mygfiscontradict> thank you Gentoo64
[22:54] <lazarus_> i cant access the time and date settings panel
[22:54] <emex> somebody knows how I can change the id3 tags on my music archives??
[22:55] <lazarus_> i click it nothing happens
[22:55] <hylian> lazarus_, what gui are you using? gnome, Unity?
[22:55] <maalac> whenever i plug my usb drive on windows machine it is asking for it to format. I've encrypted it on Ubuntu 10.0 using Truecrypt why is this happenin?
[22:55] <lazarus_> (ubuntu classic)
[22:55] <Gentoo64> maalac- because its encrypted and seen as a raw disk
[22:55] <lazarus_> with effects
[22:55] <Gentoo64> maalac- disable the drive letter for the raw disk and just mount with truecrypt
[22:56] <Gentoo64> that way it wont annoy you
[22:56] <maalac>  Gentoo64: where is that ? can you walk me through it ..pls..
[22:56] <freeroute> hi, what's the best tool (for Windows) to create _multiboot_ live USB sticks?
[22:56] <hylian> maalac, i could be wrong, seeing that i never use that program, but perhaps it has to be handled by a truecrypt windows client?
[22:57] <hylian> maalac, there is a windows version of it, are you using it?
[22:57] <Gentoo64> maalac- look for the drive letter for the drive thats asking to format. right click on my computer, then manage. go to disk management. then choose that drive letter, right click it and select the "show / hide drive letter" bit and remove the drive letter
[22:57] <maalac> hylian: the problem is whenever i plug it in it ask for me to format and when i did format it erases the encryption as well ..
[22:57] <Gentoo64> hylian- it dont matter it works on both
[22:57] <Gentoo64> maalac- because windows cant mount the encrypted drive, you need to mount it with truecrypt
[22:57] <hylian> maalac, yes it will. i am pretty sure you need the windows client to use it on windows.
[22:58] <Gentoo64> you dont
[22:58] <AttitudeAdjuster> hylian: you would need to use the Select Device in Truecrypt and then mount the partition you encrypted
[22:58] <Gentoo64> lol
[22:58] <maalac> hylian: is there a way that even it ask that it won't format the drive ..
[22:58] <Gentoo64> maalac- do what i said above
[22:58] <hylian> AttitudeAdjuster, great, but i don't need that data, maalac does.
[22:58] <Gentoo64> disable the drive letter for the drive ( you wont need it)
[22:58] <c|oneman> I'm trying to setup a pptpd server, I don't understand what the localip corresponds to.
[22:58] <AttitudeAdjuster> I just noticed...
[22:59] <lazarus_> any idea why?
[22:59] <hylian> maalac, i think without truecrypt being installed on windows as well, which is very easily doo-able, you will continue to have this problem. again i am not the most knowledgeable about this product.,
[23:00] <maalac> Gentoo64: ok. i know that it will work that way. What if, the drive is plugin into another window smachine for the first time.so it will be formatted right way and lose the data..
[23:00] <Gentoo64> maalac- it wont be formatted unless you click the dribe in my comp. or if it automounts, then choose no
[23:00] <Gentoo64> and disable automounting
[23:00] <Gentoo64> you need to install truecrypt ofc to mount it
[23:00] <emex> anyone have some programme  to change id3??
[23:01] <sapbe_> asd
[23:01] <maalac> Gentoo64: yes, i know what you  mean ..but my concern is ..anywhere i plug it ..it should be formatted ..
[23:01] <hylian> maalac, windows does not format devices without your approval. also you could make 2 partitions, one encrypted and one not. and the unencrypted partition would have the windows program on it.
[23:01] <JakeR003> is there a way to restart the sound in ubuntu?
[23:01] <Gentoo64> maalac- disable automounting then it wont promt you to format it
[23:01] <JakeR003> if it's nto working
[23:01] <uw_> ohzie, settings are in gconf editior
[23:01] <Gentoo64> maalac- also disable the drive letter so it dont show up in my comp
[23:02] <maestrojed> are hdmedia and net stream different distros of Ubuntu?
[23:02] <maalac> Gentoo64: ok, what if i plug into another computer for the first time ..lets say a friend ..it ask for it to reformat..then my friend accidentally formatted the drive ..
[23:02] <Gentoo64> then itd all be gone
[23:02] <Gentoo64> of course
[23:02] <Gentoo64> theres no way around that
[23:02] <trism> emex: if you're editing them manually, I like kid3-qt
[23:03] <Gentoo64> maalac- encryption wnt prevent data loss
[23:03] <maalac> Gentoo64: my goal is that no one can't access drive unless passphrase or truecrypt is installed..
[23:03] <Gentoo64> and formatting etc
[23:03] <Gentoo64> not possible
[23:03] <maalac> Gentoo64: do you know any software that can do that ..
[23:03] <Gentoo64> no
[23:03] <maestrojed> I am trying to us unetbootin to create a usb install drive. I downloaded ubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso but unetbootin wants to know if hdmedia, net install, or live. I don't know the answer to that?
[23:04] <Gentoo64> maalac- you cant do it
[23:04] <Guest46183> anyone use virtual box?
[23:04] <emex> trism:thanx it's in repository??
[23:04] <trism> emex: yes, sudo apt-get install kid3-qt;
[23:04] <leccy> unless you had some hardware encryption / chip / switch
[23:04] <diamonds> I'm trying to run a windows box shared across multiple users
[23:04] <maalac> Gentoo64: like crypsetup for example. if you plug it on any ubuntu machine it will ask for passphrase before you can access the drive.. The onlyl problem is when you plug it on windows machine it doesn't do that ..
[23:04] <emex> trism: i have gnome
[23:04] <diamonds> is this possible with vbox?
[23:05] <trism> emex: that's why I said kid3-qt and not kid3, it doesn't dep on kde, just qt
[23:05] <freeroute> This is kind of confusing for me but I don't know where else I can ask this question: What's the best tool for Windows to create _multiboot_ live USB sticks?
[23:05] <Gentoo64> maalac- thats because ubuntu prob has that built in
[23:06] <emex> trism: thanks so much
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: grub2 can boot ISOs. I suggest you make the device in Linux. Windows is too primitive
[23:07] <Gentoo64> maalac- thats because ubuntu is mounting it with the built in encrytion. you can still format it unmounted
[23:07] <Gentoo64> from anywhre
[23:07] <Gentoo64> encryption will only protect the data from being read, not destroyed
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: may help (windows software) http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: be sure to MD5 test the ISOs you use
[23:09] <freeroute> ActionParsnip: For your first suggestion I need to be in a live environment, and for that I need to have a liveCD, but in order to use the liveCD I would have to have an optical drive, which I currently don't have :p
[23:09] <maalac> Gentoo64: hmm..i want something like smartware of Western Digital.
[23:10] <Gentoo64> maalac- just dont leave the usb laying around...
[23:10] <Gentoo64> if your scared someone iwll format it
[23:11] <freeroute> I'll try YUMI, thanks :)
[23:12] <maalac>  Gentoo64: Thanks. I'll probably get WD
[23:13] <Apple_Bloom> I was just installing some things using wine, then my screen went black and came back on, but now everything looks slightly blurry
[23:13] <Gentoo64> Apple_Bloom- try the auto adjust thing on your monitor
[23:13] <Gentoo64> if you have one
[23:14] <Apple_Bloom> Gentoo64, I don't, it's a laptop monitor
[23:14] <Gentoo64> reboot?
[23:14] <Apple_Bloom> oh
[23:14] <Apple_Bloom> nevermind, pressing some buttons seems to have fixed it
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> freeroute: you can make a liveUSB using a tool
[23:16] <ryan__> Can someone help me debug a problem with my hard drive?
[23:16] <ryan__> I'm getting a false reading of disk usage
[23:16] <Polah> ryan__: Possibly.
[23:16] <ryan__> searched the forums, couldn't find an answer
[23:16] <willwh> how do you know it's false? :)
[23:17] <ryan__> I have a 1.5TB drive with about 1TB allocated in /home partition
[23:17] <Polah> ryan__: and /home only shows up with 1TB free?
[23:17] <ryan__> right clicking in nautilus and viewing properties shows /home as using only 140GB
[23:18] <ryan__> however, disk usage analyzer says about 970GB are being used
[23:18] <ryan__> same with df, du
[23:18] <iulian_> hi! I posted some hours ago some questions about problems with Unity GUI. after I log using classic without effects and downloaded the proprietary drivers for my ati graphic card, the problem that after log in I receive only a purple screen with nothing but a mouse pointerdisapear.
[23:19] <ryan__> however, while du shows /home as using 970GB, there are no folders in /home, according to du, that would indicate such large disk usage
[23:19] <ryan__> I'm kind of at a loss
[23:19] <willwh> ryan__: that is odd :]
[23:19] <ryan__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1781029
[23:19] <ryan__> it appears someone else reported this problem
[23:19] <ryan__> but no answer has come up
[23:19] <freeroute> ActionParsnip: but I have to be inside windows in order to do so, I'm trying out XBOOT and if that fails then there's always YUMI (I've had bad experiences in the past with that tool, but maybe they fixed those bugs)
[23:20] <Guest91832> how can I figure out what these groups are about?
[23:20] <Guest91832> e.g. "adm"?
[23:20] <diamonds> e.g. "adm"?
[23:20] <ryan__> willwh: tell me about it!  What is worse is that I can't download anything now, as I'm getting a disk usage full notification
[23:21] <diamonds> I want to make usr/share/ shared
[23:21] <diamonds> so everyone can write to it
[23:21] <chaospsychex> can some1 help me to burn a video file to a dvd that can be played in a dvd player on ubuntu ?
[23:21] <Gentoo64> chaospsychex- devede
[23:21] <Polah> diamonds: chmod 776 on it, or do you mean shared as in a windows share?
[23:21] <Gentoo64> is sort of like ocnvertxtodvd
[23:21] <diamonds> any reason I shouldn'd make /usr/share 777?
[23:22] <chaospsychex> also how do you share files between ubuntu & windows clients on a network ?
[23:22] <diamonds> Polah: just local linux users
[23:22] <magpii_> i just sacked windows in favor of ubuntu on my main pc and when i open a browser it remains redundent. i have to open another browser window before the cursor becomes active!!! can somebody help please?
[23:22] <Faethin> Hello
[23:22] <[NeNeTa]> hola
[23:22] <Polah> diamondS: Hmm, I wouldn't set /usr/share as the shared folder. Perhaps make something like /home/share and use that instead
[23:22] <diamonds> Polah: will linux get confused about another /home/ directory?
[23:22] <\DSAFEW\> ryan__, what was the du command exactly?
[23:23] <Faethin> Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook remix. I'm getting this bizarre bug. It's impossible to see any images or formulae on Wikipedia.
[23:23] <diamonds> honestly I don't know why there isn't a built-in shared-to-all-users directory
[23:23] <Polah> \DSAFEW\, disk space used
[23:23] <StevenR> magpii_: what do you mean "remains redundant" ?
[23:23] <ryan__> sudo du / -h | grep '[0-9]G\>'
[23:23] <\DSAFEW\> ryan__, okay, what filesystem on /home?
[23:23] <Polah> diamonds: It shouldn't do. You could create another user named share to correspond to it if you want but I don't think it'd be necessary
[23:23] <ryan__> \DSAFEW\, ext4
[23:24] <\DSAFEW\> ryan__, did disk analyzer find any hard links?
[23:24] <Faethin> Anyone?
[23:24] <diamonds> isn't there  a standard for this??
[23:24] <[NeNeTa]> ¤ Akuma ¤ ¿?
[23:24] <diamonds> what did people used to use to share files among users?
[23:24] <Polah> diamonds: standard?
[23:24] <diamonds> Polah: yeah, like it's standard to give each user their own directory in /home/[username]
[23:24] <magpii_> StevenR:  the window becomes commpletly un responsive. i can move around this browser window but it will not let me close it, or re size it. the first browser window won't even let me do anything
[23:24] <ryan__> \DSAFEW\, I'm not sure how to check that
[23:24] <Gentoo64> Faethin- only wikipedia? what browser
[23:24] <diamonds> I thought there'd be a standard place to put shared files
[23:25] <StevenR> magpii_: ok, when did this behaviour start occuring?
[23:25] <magpii_> StevenR:  what is the key combo that allows me to start my computer with the 10.04 ubuntu kernal?
[23:25] <\DSAFEW\> ryan__, the program has a column in results for comments like that
[23:25] <Polah> diamonds: If it's just a local system then just making a directory and setting it's permissions to 777 should be fine. It is standard for each new user to have a directory made in /home/ by default but their "home" directories can actually be made anywhere. Just do mkdir /home/share && chmod 776 /home/share
[23:25] <\DSAFEW\> ryan__, see the link you gave me
[23:26] <diamonds> Polah: why 776?
[23:26] <leccy> diamonds, when i want to share a file in /home/ i set it to 777 and tell them the location. or chown it or whatever
[23:26] <diamonds> no universal x?
[23:26] <StevenR> magpii_: also, what version of Ubuntu did you install? Is this a recent upgrade, or what?
[23:26] <magpii_> StevenR:  i just installed ubuntu today. complete installation overiding the windows os., it has been occuring since install
[23:26] <Polah> diamonds: not really, you could put it wherever you wanted. To not have executable privileges set publically
[23:26] <diamonds> Polah: but which group?
[23:26] <magpii_> StevenR: i installed ubuntu 11. something. from usb iso. the most recent ubuntu version
[23:26] <diamonds> that's why I was asking about how to figure out what all these built-in groups were?
[23:26] <Polah> magpii_: To start with a different kernel, hold shift during boot and you'll get a GRUB menu, select the kernel version you want.
[23:27] <ryan__> \DSAFEW\, One moment, it's rescanning
[23:27] <StevenR> magpii_: there is no ubuntu 11.
[23:27] <Polah> diamonds: The group by default should be the owner's group I think, but you could use chown to change the group and then add users that you want to be able to access the shared folder to that group
[23:27] <luigi> Recently, I tried to install gnome3 for a friend of mine on his 11.04 install. Sadly, it failed miserably and I just reinstalled over the whole thing. Can someone direct me to a useful gnome3 tutorial for ubuntu?
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> magpii_: 11.04 ?
[23:27] <magpii_> ok, i am going to reboot and try the above option.
[23:27] <JakeR003> luigi what's bad about it?
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> !gnome3 | luigi
[23:27] <luigi> JakeR003: It failed to boot.
[23:28] <JakeR003> i see
[23:28] <luigi> s/boot/login to shell/
[23:28] <StevenR> magpii_: could you be more specific please? If you run  lsb_release -a  it will tell you more precisely
[23:28] <ikonia> luigi: it's not supported, it's not a stable platform
[23:28] <Polah> diamonds: sorry, chgrp there not chown although chown does have an option to change group I think
[23:28] <magpii_> it wont even let me click on the power icon in the top right corner. gonna have to do a hard reset. brb
[23:28] <ryan__> \DSAFEW\, No, no hard links
[23:29] <\DSAFEW\> ryan__, you might want to run a hardware test, use GSmartControl (front end) or sudo smartctl -a -d ata /dev/sdX to check on results
[23:29] <luigi> ikonia: I know, I know. I'm an archlinux user myself but my friend would love to use Ubuntu with the gnome3 interface. While I know it's not supported, I was hoping I could get a little more advice other than to use that PPA, as last time I tried to use it with a distupgrade it merely rendered the X login session unuseable.
[23:29] <Gentoo64> luigi- thats why everyone says, dont use it
[23:29] <Polah> luigi: GNOME3 will be supported with 11.10
[23:30] <leccy> are there any gnome3 distros? mint?
[23:30] <Gentoo64> i think feodra?
[23:30] <luigi> Polah: Will it be vanilla, or canonical patched?
[23:30] <Gentoo64> not 100% sure
[23:30] <luigi> leccy: Arch is pretty good with gnome 3.
[23:30] <diamonds> Polah: chown :group file
[23:30] <Gentoo64> luigi- but arch dont come with gnome 3 preinstalled
[23:30] <ikonia> luigi: so you know it doesn't work with ubuntu.....why are you trying to use it.
[23:30] <Polah> luigi: I don't know exactly. I know it'll be supported but I recall someone saying something about it only shipping with Unity and so GNOME3 would need to be installed afterwards
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> leccy: oneiric uses gnome 3 :)
[23:30] <rww> luigi: As I understand it, it's going to be pretty much vanilla.
[23:30] <\DSAFEW\> ryan__, for an short test; sudo smartctl -t short /dev/sda
[23:31] <luigi> Gentoo64: I know, but it's fairly simple to install. Dashes don't highlight me, by the way.
[23:31] <Polah> diamonds: Yeah I believe so, but chgrp would do the same thing
[23:31] <diamonds> anyone know how to find out what these default groups are?
[23:31] <luigi> ikonia: I know it can be done. I've seen it done before. I just know the way I'm told to do it doesn't work.
[23:31] <leccy> luigi, it'd be easier to install a deb-based gnome3 distro
[23:31] <Polah> diamonds: What default groups?
[23:31] <diamonds> (username adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape dip video plugdev fuse)
[23:31] <ikonia> luigi: it can't always be done, it depends on a lot of things, it won't work for everyone
[23:32] <luigi> leccy: Debian stable fails to boot on his machine, sadly. It's a 2011 m11x.
[23:32] <diamonds> my secondary users are in all of those
[23:32] <diamonds> primary user is in adm dialiout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[23:32] <Gentoo64> Diamondcite- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Users_and_Groups
[23:32] <luigi> ikonia: Ah, I see. I guess I will just wait for 11.10.
[23:32] <Gentoo64> will tell you some related ones
[23:33] <Gentoo64> diamonds- ^
[23:33] <leccy> why are there so many arch users hanging around ubuntu forums and chat? lol
[23:33] <Gentoo64> no i was just pointing to that website
[23:34] <leccy> yeah but arch gets mentioned a lot - i feel i'm missing out on something
[23:34] <Polah> diamonds: different groups to give different permissions. For example the admin group allows access to sudo, cdrom I imagine allows CDs to be accessed and suchlike
[23:34] <luigi> leccy: Because we like to help people, and distros like arch tend to teach one how a system is created.
[23:34] <Gentoo64> leccy, nah you're not
[23:35] <magpii> ok. i am on my laptop, which is running ubuntu. my pc which
[23:35] <diamonds> Polah: I'm trying to figure out which group to give ownership to the shared dir...
[23:35] <diamonds> I need users to have execute privs
[23:35] <magpii> has a fresh install of ubuntu has completley died
[23:35] <ComradeHaz`> Hey all. Given errors such as Aug 13 05:05:15 Hades kernel: [921809.809264] ata2.00: failed command: WRITE DMA EXT in syslog, how can I establish which physical device ata2 actually is?
[23:35] <diamonds> (I think) it's for a vbox VM, primarily
[23:35] <ikonia> diamonds: create a group and set permissions
[23:35] <Polah> diamonds: make a new group called "share" or something and add users you want to access it to that group
[23:35] <luigi> magpii: Define "died"
[23:35] <StevenR> magpii: "completely died" ?
[23:36] <diamonds> ikonia: Polah then can I put that in /etc/skel or something?
[23:36] <magpii> no response from cursor, yet it allows me to click on my user name at boot up, and allows me to imput my password via keyboard
[23:36] <diamonds> I want ALL human users to have access to the group
[23:36] <diamonds> I guess I can just add them to the group manually if I add more users...
[23:36] <magpii> the operating system will not accept any m,ouse commands or keyboard.
[23:36] <ComradeHaz`> lol magpii, that's a very long way from completely died!
[23:36] <ikonia> diamonds: then add all human users to that group
[23:36] <magpii> yet it works fine when logging in
[23:37] <Polah> diamonds: I don't know about adding groups to be set as default for users, someone else might.
[23:37] <luigi> magpii: So your keyboard works when you log in, but the mouse doesn't. Once you've logged in, all works fine?
[23:37] <magpii> for me, completley died occures when the only option is to reset and reboot
[23:37] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: for me completely died occurs when the power button does nothing ;)
[23:38] <tabakhase> could i dualboot a hibernated system?
[23:38] <magpii> the mouse and keyboard work fine when logging in. but as soon as the opertaing system is loaded, input becomes obsolete
[23:38] <ComradeHaz`> tabakhase: in theory, but you are tempting fate.
[23:38] <luigi> tabakhase: Yes, but only if the two systems don't share use of a partition.
[23:39] <tabakhase> luigi rly? great... will i just get grub after power button or is ther more needed to do?
[23:39] <luigi> magpii: The operating system is loaded before logging in. I think you've got a terminology issue here. Do you mean after you've logged in things will not respond?
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> tabakhase: you may find that if one is Windows it may hold hardware and make it not work
[23:39] <StevenR> !enter | magpii
[23:39] <luigi> tabakhase: You will get the bootloader, yes.
[23:40] <tabakhase> sounds interesting...
[23:40] <luigi> tabakhase: But what ActionParsnip said is true. Some BIOS systems are controlled by windows's extended power management.
[23:40] <jayson_r> magpii: are you using a desktop or laptop?
[23:41] <magpii> ok, lets start again shall we. i didnt realize that terminology was such an issue. let me explian. at boot up, the mouse and keyboard work fine, i.e, it allows me to choose the user name and then allows me to input password. as soon as the desktop appears, the only thing that works is the reset button.
[23:41] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: can you switch to tty1 at that point?
[23:41] <tabakhase> and could somebody refer a god blogpost or smth about "syncing /home?" notebook, notebook & desktop...
[23:41] <Gentoo64> magpii, boot into livecd and view log messages
[23:42] <ComradeHaz`> (Ctrl+Alt+1)
[23:42] <leccy> if you 777 a folder it shouldnt make any difference what groups you have set up
[23:42] <magpii> sorry. i am reletivly new to ubuntu. what is ttyl?
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> magpii: log in to ubuntu classic session
[23:42] <ComradeHaz`> tty[one]
[23:42] <ComradeHaz`> tty1
[23:42] <edbian> magpii: virtual console (press ctrl + alt + F1)
[23:42] <TYDIRocks> I burned the ubuntu iso to a dvd, but I can't get it to install. Can someone please help
[23:42] <leccy> tabakhase, unison is great for that
[23:42] <luigi> leccy: Do you understand the difference between chmod +x and chmod +X ?
[23:42] <magpii> i tried classic and nothing changes. still the same issue
[23:42] <ryan__> \DSAFEW\, according to gsmartcontrol it passwed the overall health self-assessment test, and there are no errors in the error log.
[23:42] <edbian> TYDIRocks: Can you get it to boot?
[23:42] <ComradeHaz`> as opposed to tty2, 3 4,5,6,7,8 or 9
[23:43] <jayson_r> magpii: so, your keyboard doesn't work either?
[23:43] <TYDIRocks> edbian, No, it won't start
[23:43] <jayson_r> magpii: normally you'd switch tty sessions w/ ctrl+f1, f2, etc., but you can't w/o a keyboard :-)
[23:43] <ComradeHaz`> try getting to log in screen and pressing Ctrl+Alt+1
[23:43] <magpii> both my keyboard and mouse refuse commands after desktop loads
[23:43] <edbian> TYDIRocks: Did you change the order of you boot devices in bios?
[23:43] <ComradeHaz`> o.O
[23:43] <leccy> luigi, no what is it?
[23:43] <tabakhase> leccy thanks, i´ll read into that
[23:43] <Gentoo64> magpii, this might seem weird but if you unplug say the keyboard, does the mouse work?
[23:43] <ComradeHaz`> Just Ctrl+1?
[23:43] <jayson_r> magpii: can you try ctrl+f1 just to see if anything happens?
[23:43] <TYDIRocks> edbian, yes, the CD is first. Currently the Harddrive does not have an OS on it btw
[23:44] <edbian> TYDIRocks: what happens when you turn on the computer?
[23:44] <ComradeHaz`> jayson_r: Ctl+F1
[23:44] <ComradeHaz`> ?
[23:44] <magpii> ctrl f1 on boot or when desktop is loaded?
[23:44] <Costanza> hi. anyone good with DD?
[23:44] <ComradeHaz`> Not Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[23:44] <luigi> leccy: Octal permissions have different contexts on directories and files. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/filepermissions.html
[23:44] <Gentoo64> Costanza, the windows port?
[23:44] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: I meant F1, not 1
[23:44] <jayson_r> magpii: sorry ctrl+alt+f1
[23:44] <jayson_r> sorry
[23:44] <Costanza> its the same, only the drive path is differet
[23:45] <jayson_r> ComradeHaz`: my bad :-)
[23:45] <TYDIRocks> ebdian: It will show the compaq screen, then just flash along the lines "There is no operating system installed"
[23:45] <jayson_r> ComradeHaz`: yes, ctrl+alt+f1
[23:45] <Costanza> so gentoo, you are good at DD?
[23:45] <edbian> TYDIRocks: you spelled my name wrong.  How did you burn the CD?
[23:45] <TYDIRocks> ebdian, It says "Operating System not found
[23:45] <edbian> TYDIRocks: You spelled my name wrong again :)
[23:45] <magpii> yeah, at what point do i do ctrl alt f1? at boot or after?
[23:45] <Gentoo64> Costanza, what are you trying to do?
[23:45] <TYDIRocks> edbian, sorry lol
[23:45] <pato> hola a todos
[23:45] <ComradeHaz`> jayson_r: magpii, so, yeah, Ctl+Alt+F1
[23:45] <edbian> TYDIRocks: that's ok
[23:45] <TYDIRocks> edbian: I used the built in tool with windows 7
[23:45] <ComradeHaz`> jayson_r: magpii, highlight each other as we talk
[23:46] <Costanza>  i need to copy mbr + pbr of my usb stick.. the command would be dd if=\\?\Device\HarddiskVolume3 of=efi_boot.img bs=512 count=1 ? the device is right but the rest, i m not sure , i ran it and it printed "Error native opening input file: 0 The operation completed successfully"
[23:46] <[NeNeTa]> hola pato , lo tenemos mal aki... XD
[23:46] <sedulous> i found an ubuntu bug but don't think it's worth a bug report due to its simplicity. libopenal1 is missing a symlink /usr/lib/libopenal.so -> /usr/lib/libopenal.so.1
[23:46] <jayson_r> magpii: after
[23:46] <edbian> TYDIRocks: It is saying 'no os found' because it cannot find a device with an OS (meaning it is not finding the CD).  Are you sure about the order?  double check.  When you put the CD in the drive while windows is running what happens?
[23:46] <jayson_r> magpii: when it seems the keyboard isn't working, try ctrl+alt+F1 anyway, just to see
[23:46] <[NeNeTa]> escriben en ingilssssssssssssss !
[23:47] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: (jayson_r) if that doesn't work, there is something else I would like to try
[23:47] <\DSAFEW\> ryan__, well... I don't know, and I have to go, good luck, glad your SMART isn't set off
[23:47] <jayson_r> ComradeHaz`: look at this link and see if you think it would help magpii: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-usb-stops-working-problem-in-ubuntu.html
[23:48] <TYDIRocks> edbian, Yes it shows ATAPI CD/DVD ROM Drive as the first. Let me take the disk out and put it in this system
[23:48] <ComradeHaz`> dunno yet jayson_r
[23:48] <luigi> Costanza: Have you looked into Clonezilla?
[23:48] <edbian> TYDIRocks: ok
[23:48] <ComradeHaz`> jayson_r: want to try to get him to issue a kernel reboot command once it appears to freeze
[23:48] <Costanza> clonezilla will not work, i need something that works from windows.. need to image the 512 first bytes
[23:48] <Costanza> and dd works good for that
[23:49] <jayson_r> ComradeHaz`: rgr
[23:49] <TYDIRocks> edbian, The name of the dvd is "Install Ubuntu"
[23:49] <magpii> ctrl+alt+f1 works fine. my keyboard and mouse are working fine but the gui is none responsive to mouse or keyboard input
[23:49] <leccy> luigi, i read that page but it doesnt explain the difference, if any, between chmod +x and chmod +X
[23:49] <jayson_r> magpii: w00t!
[23:49] <ComradeHaz`> ah-ha
[23:49] <luigi> leccy: Aye, I linked to the wrong page. Hold a moment.
[23:49] <ComradeHaz`> jayson_r: now out of my area of knowledge
[23:50] <edbian> TYDIRocks: What are the contents of the CD?
[23:50] <ComradeHaz`> I don't do WIMP GUI's in linux xD
[23:50] <jayson_r> ComradeHaz`: he should be at CLi now
[23:50] <TYDIRocks> edbian, I'm not sure if I can view the content. When I double click it, the box asking if it can make changes to my computer comes up.
[23:50] <ComradeHaz`> yeah
[23:50] <jayson_r> magpii: can you log in at the command line after ctrl+alt+F1
[23:50] <ComradeHaz`> guess we didn't mention tty7, did we?! xD
[23:50] <jayson_r> ?
[23:51] <edbian> TYDIRocks: say yes and see what it opens (probably wubi)
[23:51] <magpii> ctrl+alt+f1 brought up a full screen terminal. asked for my username and password. accepted it through keyboard input, yet the gui desktop is sat there like a dying cat
[23:51] <edbian> TYDIRocks: If wubi loads then the CD was burning correctly
[23:51] <TYDIRocks> edbian, yes it is wubi
[23:51] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: that's good(ish)
[23:51] <edbian> TYDIRocks: alright, the BIOS is correct, the CD is burned correctly
[23:51] <edbian> TYDIRocks: Is this a DVD?  (and a DVD .iso?)
[23:51] <TYDIRocks> edbian, Yes, it's a DVD RW
[23:52] <ComradeHaz`> jayson_r: perhaps get him to remove proprietry vidio drivers?
[23:52] <edbian> TYDIRocks: Is the drive on the target computer a DVD drive?
[23:52] <TYDIRocks> edbian, well the disk says DVD-R but windows says dvd-rw
[23:52] <ComradeHaz`> or clear his desktop env config?
[23:52] <ComradeHaz`> probably best to try latter first
[23:52] <profiled> hi, i was wondering if anyone got time for an agt-get issue? http://pastebin.com/nryys2TS <- is the problem/error
[23:52] <jayson_r> ComradeHaz`: could be - the NVidia drivers didn't work well w/ my system using Nouveau here on nvidia
[23:52] <jayson_r> ComradeHaz`: I have to run in a min though :-(
[23:52] <TYDIRocks> edbian, I believe it's both, in the bios it said "ATAPI CD/DVD ROM Drive"
[23:53] <luigi> leccy: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/linux-file-and-directory-permissions/1047531
[23:53] <jayson_r> magpii: do you know what kind of video card you have?
[23:53] <magpii> sorry for my inpatience but i just locked 3 years of unioversity research up on a hd that i now cannot acces because of some damn bug in the recent ubuntu release that should have been sorted before public domain exploration
[23:53] <ComradeHaz`> jayson_r: get him to move desk env config files so they are recreated first
[23:53] <ComradeHaz`> more likely and less destructive solution
[23:53] <luigi> leccy: Scroll down a bit, it explains directory perms.
[23:53] <magpii> what has my video card got to do with an un responsive cursor that works fine during boot up?
[23:53] <jayson_r> magpii: is that data on another partition other than what you installed ubuntu on?
[23:54] <chaospsychex> can someone help me set up a ftp server? im having problems putting files into 'srv/ftp/'
[23:54] <jayson_r> magpii: trying to see what drivers you might have installed - that's why
[23:54] <chaospsychex> im trying to follow a tutorial and still having problems
[23:54] <Jae__> Hello all
[23:54] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: we are assuming the desktop environment is freezing.
[23:54] <luigi> chaospsychex: /srv/ftp is usually owned by root
[23:54] <magpii> the data is on a trucrypted usb hd
[23:54] <Jae__> I have a quick question.. whenever someone is free to answer
[23:54] <chaospsychex> luigi how do i change the permissions of /srv/ftp ?
[23:54] <edbian> TYDIRocks: I'm not sure.
[23:55] <edbian> TYDIRocks: thinking...
[23:55] <ComradeHaz`> Time for me to go to bed before I am forced to sleep on the sofa. 1am here! Good night folks!
[23:55] <TYDIRocks> edbian, it's an HP Compaq, could the laptop be the problem?
[23:55] <lion42> Jae__, don't ask to ask a question, just ask the question.
[23:55] <magpii> the desktop worked fine, until i opened firefox. then the opened browser froze, i opened a second firefox browser and that worked fine for a while then everything froze
[23:55] <luigi> chaospsychex: You could try 'sudo chmod a+rwx /srv/ftp' but from a security standpoint that might not be a good idea.
[23:55] <edbian> TYDIRocks: No.  Any laptop can boot from CD / DVD
[23:55] <Gentoo64> magpii, how much ram have you got?
[23:55] <jayson_r> magpii: i think it's video driver related
[23:55] <chaospsychex> i want to be able to write to that folder and allow ftp users to write to it as well
[23:55] <ComradeHaz`> chaospsychex: that isn't a good plan :)
[23:55] <magpii> is my graphics card effecting gui input?
[23:55] <edbian> TYDIRocks: Perhaps you could try a liveCD but I doubt that is the problem.  I would mess with the bios more if I were you.
[23:55] <leccy> luigi, ahhhh for setting directory (not file) permissions only for known-name files?
[23:56] <jayson_r> magpii: if the gui is frozen, then yes :-)
[23:56] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: if it is causing the WIMP gui to freeze, of course!
[23:56] <Gentoo64> magpii, how much ram have you got?
[23:56] <Jae__> Is the kernel updated in the LTS releases?
[23:56] <luigi> leccy: I'm confused as to what that sentence means.
[23:56] <Gentoo64> jae, yes
[23:56] <n4dsp> how do i bring up the manual for my linux? Do i go into the command terminal?
[23:56] <jayson_r> sorry magpii i have to run - hopefully someone can help you remove the video drivers, or at least boot into a generic one - ask for help on that
[23:56] <Gentoo64> Jae__, but not to latest ones i dont think. theyre still lts kernels
[23:57] <magpii> it is a t series duel core 2gig processor with 2 gig ram and an ati saphire 5600 series graphics card
[23:57] <leccy> luigi, first, for file permissions, there are three letters, r w and x
[23:57] <chaospsychex> i need to be able to put files into the folder or no one is going to be able to download nothing
[23:57] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: ask for help removing desktop environment config files first
[23:57] <TYDIRocks> edbian, Could it be a problem with the motherboard?
[23:57] <leccy> R W and X only apply to directories
[23:57] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: my bet is they are corrupted.
[23:57] <Jae__> Gentoo64: Do you know what kernel is in the 10.04.3 release?
[23:57] <Costanza> i will do it from virtualbox linux instead
[23:57] <Gentoo64> Jae__, no
[23:57] <luigi> leccy: There are more letters. There are STrwx
[23:57] <profiled> hi, anyone got an idea how to fix: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/keyboard-configuration_1.57ubuntu20_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/etc/init.d/console-setup', which is also in package console-setup 1.57ubuntu20 ? (sorry incase the paste is too long for the chanrules)
[23:57] <Polah> chaospsychex: chmod 766
[23:57] <magpii> no worries, thanks for the help i know its a bug or something so thanks again for the patience
[23:58] <Jae__> thank you.
[23:58] <leccy> for setting permissions
[23:58] <chaospsychex> ??????
[23:58] <magpii> how do i remove the desktop config files?
[23:58] <luigi> leccy: You have the SUID bit and the T bit along with the read write and execute bits, and this is for file *and* directory permissions.
[23:58] <Polah> chaospsychex: specifically "chmod 766 /srv/ftp"
[23:58] <nuborn> To resize a window in Ubuntu (with Unity) by the edges, I have to grab the edges perfectly (on the exact edge pixel it seems), and sometimes its difficult to find the edge with the cursor. Is there any way to change or modify this? I.e., to make the edges more sensitive/"broad"? (this may be more noticable to me as I'm using a laptop screen with small pixels.)
[23:58] <chaospsychex> ok
[23:58] <Polah> chaospsychex, no quotation marks
[23:58] <ComradeHaz`> magpii: may not be a bug per se. Just ask these guys how to clear your desktop environment config files
[23:59] <leccy> luigi, chmod +X on a file doesn't do anything i just tested it
[23:59] <ComradeHaz`> and then try logging in again
[23:59] <ComradeHaz`> Must go now! All the best!
[23:59] <ComradeHaz`> n
[23:59] <luigi> leccy: +X is a symbolic term used to make sure you don't change file perms when you want to change dir terms.
[23:59] <munzx> hi! everybody! ... can u help me here plz! ... when i run "uptime" in terminal i get 3 users!!!!! does that mean there is somebody else viewing my system!??
[23:59] <urlin2u> nuborn, try th elower right corner and adjust the mouse.
[23:59] <YankDownUnder> chmod +x => not X
[23:59] <magpii> ComradeHaz`: ok, gonna go make a brew, brb
[23:59] <luigi> YankDownUnder: chmod +X has a use
[23:59] <edbian> TYDIRocks: Here is what happens.  When you boot the computer it goes to each device (according to the boot list).  If none of the devices have an OS it says 'no OS detected' or some such message.  For some reason it is not seeing the ubuntu DVD.  I have no reason to think the motherboard is causing this problem.


[12:38] <mrmonday> hello all
[12:50] <poningru> yar
[12:50] <poningru> r
[04:01] <ronnietucker> now then... someone promised me a Feisty Fawn article...   :)
[04:11] <elkbuntu> dont know how he expects to get anything if he only waits 4 minutes
[04:29] <boredandblogging> beuno, ping
[05:12] <boredandblogging> hey adamant1988
[05:12] <adamant1988> hello boredandblogging
[05:12] <boredandblogging> how are things going?
[05:13] <adamant1988> Fairly well
[05:13] <adamant1988> I've been monitoring the magazine's progress, they've moved really quick to meet this deadline.
[05:14] <boredandblogging> yeah, its been impressive
[05:14] <adamant1988> Well I think most of it is the owner
[05:14] <adamant1988> Right now he's doing almost all of the work, so we'll have to see how the group's first real issue turns out.
[05:16] <boredandblogging> think a lot of people just want to join a project if there is some activity already, if he didn't do it, it would probably wouldn't get off the ground
[05:17] <adamant1988> Which is exactly right
[05:18] <adamant1988> I'm glad he's doing it, honestly, I'm preparing myself to be a CS student, and It's just work figuring out what I want to know.
[05:21] <boredandblogging> good for you, where are you planning on going to school?
[05:36] <adamant1988> Still working that out
[05:36] <adamant1988> In pittsburgh, I know that much
[05:36] <adamant1988> or at least, I'll physically be in Pittsburgh.
[07:06] <boredandblogging> hey linuxgeekery-
[10:03] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: are you around?
[10:03] <boredandblogging> yeah, whats up
[10:03] <Burgundavia> care to work on the uwn?
[10:04] <boredandblogging> yeah, definitely
[10:04] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[10:04] <Burgundavia> let me finish this bit and then I will dump some stuff to be written
[10:04] <boredandblogging> ok
[10:15] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: ok, all yours
[10:15] <boredandblogging> cool
[10:36] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: you still working away?
[10:36] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you around
[10:36] <Burgundavia> ?
[10:48] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia, sorry, yeah, but you can use it
[10:48] <Burgundavia> boredandblogging: keep working
[10:48] <Burgundavia> I am working on the RC stuff
[10:57] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia, i put in the feisty frozen and archiver issues
[10:58] <Burgundavia> cool
[10:58] <Burgundavia> hey beuno, boredandblogging is working on the UWN and myself on the RC stuff
[11:00] <beuno> Burgundavia, hey
[11:00] <beuno> great
[11:00] <beuno> I've been following it by email
[11:01] <beuno> I was just about to plunge in and help a bit
[11:01] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[11:02] <Burgundavia> I am about to head out for a bit
[11:02] <boredandblogging> beuno, can you look at the bottom article in In The Press?
[11:03] <beuno> sure