[08:34] <tomwardill> cjwatson: I've had another look over the Built Using MP. I've left two (small) questions, but otherwise it looks good to me. I think I can follow the implementation and the model for it at least.
[08:35] <tomwardill> there is possibly/probably detail bits I'm missing, but I can't see anything broadly wrong with it
[08:38]  * tomwardill looks at the pile of reviews and suspects cjwatson of not sleeping again :P
[08:45]  * SpecialK|Canon peers
[09:35] <cjwatson> tomwardill: clarified, I hope
[09:36] <tomwardill> cjwatson: ah right, I remember you talking about that now
[09:36] <tomwardill> okay, +1 then :)
[09:38] <cjwatson> Thanks
[10:01] <tomwardill> is an exported property on distribution listing the ociprojects desirable?
[10:02] <tomwardill> I can't find precedence in source packages or livefs, but it seems like something that would be wanted
[10:20] <cjwatson> Properties are probably not great for unordered unbounded collections like that.  Maybe a search method instead?
[10:21] <cjwatson> We want to be able to navigate down the tree, but maybe not by way of a full list
[10:22] <cjwatson> (searchSourcePackages exists, for instance, though it's a very old design and shouldn't necessarily be taken as unqualified precedent)
[10:24] <tomwardill> ah, interesting
[14:12] <tomwardill> it is really hard to write OCI type documents when you want to use the word 'container' outside of an actual OCI container
[14:22] <tomwardill> cjwatson: something that has just occured to me, is there any reason why there can only be one 'official' recipe for a project?
[14:23] <tomwardill> for instance, if we had a project that relied on multiple images to be produced, they could be represented as multiple 'official' recipes
[14:42] <cjwatson> tomwardill: well, the point of 'official' was to own a default bit of namespace
[14:42] <cjwatson> We could consider a different presentational name for that idea
[14:43] <tomwardill> ah yeah
[16:51]  * cjwatson finally gets built-using-domination back into shape
[16:51] <cjwatson> I think that and the rest of the built-using stack are now worth reviewing again
[18:41] <pappacena> I'll land https://code.launchpad.net/~pappacena/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/381683, with the permission check for Distribution.oci_project_admin on OCI Project creation. It was approved a couple of days ago, and I forgot to merge it.
[19:14] <cjwatson> Yep, go for it.  I don't always remember either ...
[19:34] <pappacena> Buildbot seems to be failing. Is anyone checking that?
[19:37] <cjwatson> pappacena: Ah, built-using-model fallout, I'll look at it, thanks
[19:38] <pappacena> Thanks!
[19:38] <cjwatson> Looks trivial
[19:38] <pappacena> If it's already EOD for you, I can check that
[19:38] <cjwatson> It's OK, will take five minutes
[19:39] <pappacena> Ok! :)
[19:39] <tomwardill> how do I add a new dependency to launchpad?
[19:39] <cjwatson> doc/pip.txt
[19:40] <tomwardill> aha
[19:40] <cjwatson> Some assembly required
[19:48] <cjwatson> pappacena: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/382878
[19:49]  * tomwardill defenestrates python https://github.com/python-poetry/poetry/issues/1975
[19:59]  * pappacena checking MP
[20:05] <cjwatson> thanks


 I mention it because applications like Chrome, Firefox, VS Code, Konsole and Kate don't require Shift. I was very confused and tried the number pad + until I finally tried Shift. It's extremely inconvenient. @ItzSwirlz I did not think you were in any way responsible. But since I didn't know which terminal app was used in Cinnamon, I brought it up.
[02:47] <Eickmeyer> @Zachariah Sure, other applications do that, but you can't expect every application, written by different authors, to behave exactly the same way. And knowing how the GNOME devs operate, they'd probably reject the idea that their defaults are in any way wrong and even be offended.
 So it's the GNOME terminal. Ok. Thanks for clarifying. I just wanted to figure out which module it was and see if it was a known issue.
 i plan to submit a bug report for the xfce terminal to improve its handling of this
 Did a fresh installation of Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
 Facing an issue and would like your guidance.
 Steps to re-produce the error:
 1) Connect to a hidden WiFi network
 2) Restart computer, NetworkManager does not auto-connect
 3) As per my understanding, this bug is identified and reported with 1542733
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1542733
 4) The workaround which works for me is "nmcli c up id SSID"
 To avoid applying this workaround everytime after Ubuntu reboot or a router reboot, please advise if there's any fix already made available for Ubuntu 20.04.
 Thank you in advance.
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn jphilips Eickmeyer requested an apport-collect on bug #1880325
 Did a fresh installation of Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
 Facing an issue and would like your guidance.
 Steps to re-produce the error:
 1) Connect to a hidden WiFi network
 2) Restart computer, NetworkManager does not auto-connect
 3) As per my understanding, this bug is identified and reported with 1542733
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1542733
 4) The workaround which works for me is
 CLI: "nmcli c up id SSID"
 GUI: Remove SSID from Known Networks and Connect again
 To avoid applying this workaround everytime after Ubuntu reboot or a router reboot, please advise if there's any fix already made available for Ubuntu 20.04.
 Thank you in advance. (edited)
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> @pc: this bug seems to have closed by seb128 and says fix released, is your system up to date?
 @lotuspsycheje: Yes, Ubuntu 20.04 fresh installation + software update is done and is updated with latest as of May 23rd.
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> @pc: could you pastebin your dmesg please?
[13:18] <jphilips> lotuspsychje: i've pinged the bug reported
 @Eickmeyer the reporter is getting this error
 Forwarded from TomaTuBono: Error :
 That'll happen when you run apport-collect as root. Why is he running it as root? It's meant to be run *as the user*. (re @philipz: )
 @lotuspsychje Please find the dmesg output just before the workaround command was executed: nmcli c up id SSID
 https://pastebin.com/Znx8nene
 I asked him the same question and he said running it as non-root also resulted in the same error. (re @Eickmeyer: That'll happen when you run apport-collect as root. Why is he running it as root? It's meant to be run *as the user*.)
 @philipz Part of the problem, I see, is that he uses su to change to root which means he's changed the root password. His system is essentially corrupt.
 Ubuntu systems are configured so that one never uses the root account directly.
 If one changes the root password, then it keeps applications, such as apport, from doing correct bug information collection.
 @wimpress mate has no daily images?
 oh, builds are still failing :(
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the ping jphilips
 Hi folks. How would one go upgrading from zesty (17.04) to bionic, at least? I can't go to artful (17.10) as it is no longer available, and I'm almost sure that changing zesty->bionic in /etc/apt/sources.list and running apt-get dist-upgrade would just creatre mayhem
 old-releases.ubuntu.com ftw
 update manager wants to go to bionic as artfull is no longer supported
 anyone knows how to trick it into going to artful?
 Not possible, Artful is long-since EOL. The repos are simply not available. (re @MrkiMike: anyone knows how to trick it into going to artful?)
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> !eolupgrades | @MrkiMike
[20:36] <Mmike> yup, that EOLUpgrades was last edited on 2018-05-30, so it's almost 2 years old, doesn't mention anything about zesty upgrades
[20:36] <Eickmeyer> Mmike: Doesn't matter, it covers ALL EOL upgrades.
[20:36] <Mmike> it doesn't
[20:36] <Eickmeyer> Yes, it does.
[20:36] <Mmike> when I run 'do-release-upgrade' it chooses bionic, not artful
[20:36] <Eickmeyer> Well, you need to follow the instructions.
[20:37] <Mmike> and it says  that upgrading from zesty to bionic is not possible
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> Artful is EOL. You CANNOT upgrade to Artful. Period. It's not possible.
[20:37] <Mmike> you also can't upgrade from zesty to bionic
[20:37] <Mmike> so, what do I do - reinstall?
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> You need to go in and edit the sources.list file. That's what that instructs you to do. And if you're not going to do what is being told BY A DEVELOPER (me), then you're just being antagonistic.
[20:38] <Mmike> Eickmeyer, why do you assume I didn't do what is stated there?
[20:38] <Mmike> do-release-upgrade is the problem - it tries to upgrade to bionic
[20:39] <Mmike> which it cant
[20:39] <Mmike> can't
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> Then reinstall. Your system is messed-up.
[20:39] <Mmike> no, the instructions are messed up :)
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> THis is why you upgrade *before* EOL.
[20:39] <Mmike> yup, but sometimes you have people who don't do that
[20:39] <Mmike> I think the "problem" is that https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release states artful is no go, so it chooses the next possible one which is bionic
[20:39] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but they're warned. You were warned. This is YOUR fault, nobody else's.  If you've done everything, that's your last option.
[20:40] <Mmike> I'm not. You're telling me to do stuff that don't work.
[20:41] <Mmike> I think there might be one option more.
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> What's that?
[20:41] <Mmike> That's why I'm asking is there a way to make do-release-upgrade force upgrade to artful, not to bionic
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> There isn't.
[20:41] <Mmike> that's a shame
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> The repo for artful simply no longer exists.
[20:41] <Mmike> I'll see if I can make it
[20:41] <Mmike> it does, come one
[20:41] <Mmike> what kind of dev are you
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> No, it doesn't.
[20:41] <Mmike> Eickmeyer, wanna bet?
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> !ops
[20:42] <Mmike> there is old-releases.ubuntu.com which has all the old packages from old repos
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> The repo for Artful doesn't exist. I don't know how to make that any more clear. It's gone. Archived.
[20:42] <Mmike> zesty is there, so is artful
[20:42] <Eickmeyer> You can get the ISO from there, but you CANNOT upgrade to it. Period.
[20:43] <Eickmeyer> old-release.ubuntu.com exists for archival purposes *only* not as a usable repo.
[20:45] <Mmike> but it is usable repo and it can be used in situations like this
[20:45] <Mmike> give me some time and I'll illuminate you
[20:45] <Eickmeyer> Then do it, but you're on your own. If you knew the answer, then why did you ask?
[20:45] <Mmike> because I hoped that smart DEVs would have some handy hack up their sleves
[20:45] <Mmike> Instead of typing 'period' all the time.
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> And now you're throwing insults.
 Mmike: you need to switch your repos as per https://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[20:46] <Mmike> You can safely ignore me, I won't bother you again.
[20:46] <Eickmeyer> Mmike: This channel is for support. Take support questions to #ubuntu. I never want to see you in this channel again.
[20:47] <Eickmeyer> *this channel is NOT for support.
[20:47] <Mmike> ubuntutestingbot, yup, that's what I did, but do-release-upgrade won't play nice. I'll try to see if I can plant my own metadata file.
[20:47] <Mmike> Eickmeyer, ok, ok, my apologies.
[20:47]  * Mmike stops talking
[20:47] <Eickmeyer> Mmike: /part
[20:47] <Eickmeyer> Please
 Yes, Mmike, you are annoying devs! :D
 You have a very similar name.  :D)
 Oh, for the love of ....
 Time to move on folks. Mmike you have the direction - move your questions to #ubuntu.  Thx
 I just did, thnx. (re @fossfreedom: Time to move on folks. Mmike you have the direction - move your questions to #ubuntu.  Thx)
 When is Focal going out of 'devel', in regard to do-release-upgrade?
 My bionic install (which I upgrade from zesty->artful->bionic) says that there is no 'next release', I had to run d-r-u with -d to get it to upgrade to focal
 just tested on this machine too (ubuntumate bionic, fresh installed a year ago), it says there is 'no new release'
[23:50] <kc2bez> !ltsupgrade


[00:02] <DarkwingDuck> Do we know who to talk to about changing logos for the Wiki theme?
[01:37] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: Canonical IS folks people, I'm guessing
[01:38] <valorie> file a RT, whatever that is
[01:38] <valorie> and then poke them until they do it
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: took me a sec to remember what u were talking about
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> i gotta sit down and setup docs wikis tonight
[02:01] <valorie> this chan has been nearly silent
[02:01] <valorie> everyone still recovering, I guess
[02:01] <valorie> my mailbox is still a disaster zone
[02:03] <DarkwingDuck> mines good only because my laptop is my only comp and its starting to die.... :( and i have no $$ to replace.
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> oh well
[02:06] <valorie> that sucks
[02:08] <DarkwingDuck> yeah... ill figure something out
[02:45] <Daskreech> hi rdieter
[06:17] <ulysses> Riddell: kdesvn upstream accepted our patch: http://kdesvn.alwins-world.de/changeset/2117
[13:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why should libutempter-dev be in main in lucid?
[15:48] <nixternal> there isn't a printer app for kde that works is there? i hate having to install system-config-printer-gnome just to use network printers
[15:48] <Riddell> what's wrong with system-config-printer-kde?
[15:49] <nixternal> it has never worked in detecting a printer shared on a windows host
[15:49] <nixternal> the gnome one does
[15:53] <ScottK> The KDE one works great on printers that are actually directly on the network.
[15:53] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my ping about promoting  libweather-ion5?
[15:54] <nixternal> that i can agree with, but it doesn't work worth a darn with printers shared on a windows pc
[15:55] <ScottK> Sounds like something that would be useful for someone with a printer shared on a windows PC to troubleshoot.
[15:55] <nixternal> i am troubleshooting, or actually right now i guess you can call it troubleshitting. i am getting absolutely nowhere
[15:57] <Riddell> ScottK: done
[15:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[15:58] <Riddell> nixternal: system-config-printer-kde is incomplete so it doesn't surprise me that there's missing functionality
[15:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nvm ... slangsleek explained why :P
[16:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://services.google.com/fb/forms/googletvdevseed/ << freebies
[16:14] <nixternal> Riddell: that could explain it then :)  might be something fun for me to do then
[16:28] <nixternal> yowsers, there is quite the difference between system-config-printer-gnome and -kde
[16:29] <nixternal> -kde doesn't have any of the smb code
[16:30] <Riddell> that'll be the issue then
[16:44] <ulysses> hy Riddell
[16:46] <Riddell> hi ulysses
[16:47] <ulysses> I have time to package UPnP MediaServer KIOslaven now
[16:52] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy, do you know where to begin?
[16:52] <ulysses> Riddell: no
[16:54] <Riddell> ulysses: first step is to find the source tar, download it, compile it and see that it works
[16:55] <Riddell> of course without upnp you might not get it to do very much but you can at least make sure it shows an empty folder in dolphin
[16:55] <Riddell> do you know how to do that?
[16:56] <ulysses> I read the announcement on kde-announce-apps@, it contains the dependencies
[16:56] <Riddell> good start
[16:57] <Riddell> do we have all the dependencies in the archive?
[16:58] <ulysses> Cagibi (recommended) is in Maverick/Natty, HUPnP isn't
[16:58] <Riddell> hmm, that makes it more tricky
[16:58] <Riddell> does huphp have a web page?
[16:59] <Riddell> google doesn't know it
[16:59] <ulysses> this is it: http://www.herqq.org/
[17:01] <Riddell> so starting point it to download and compile that
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how much did it cost to compile 4.5.3 on EC2 ?
[17:03] <shadeslayer> all of it
[17:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: $20  but they was using the expensive 2CPU computers and leaving them on overnight
[17:05] <shadeslayer> oh..hmm
[17:05] <Riddell> so probably less than half that if you use the cheap 1CPU computers (bit more hassle as you need to set each one up, but that can be scripted)
[17:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and do you have a script for building the i10n packages?
[17:06] <Riddell> yes, see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[17:06] <Riddell> definately worth doing on EC2 that one, the download takes ages otherwise
[17:07] <shadeslayer> kewl
[17:23] <ulysses> good, hupnn doesn't use configure/make/make install
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> any good software must use cmake/make/make install :P
[17:24] <ulysses> it uses Qt Creator *.pro file
[17:26] <Riddell> ulysses: then it'll be qmake; make; make install
[17:26] <ulysses> Riddell: I installed Qt Creator already; it compiled the source without error
[17:27] <ulysses> and generated makefiles
[17:28] <Riddell> ulysses: so you have huphp compiled and installed ?
[17:29] <ulysses> Riddell: yes
[17:31] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy
[17:31] <Riddell> ulysses: so next is to download and compile UPnP MediaServer KIOslave
[17:41] <ulysses> HUPnP wasn't installed correctly, UPnP MediaServer KIOslave can't found it
[17:42] <Riddell> tricksy
[17:42] <Riddell> ulysses: where did HUPhP install to?
[17:42] <Riddell> what is UPnP MediaServer KIOslave looking for?
[17:43] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1193657 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (5 files in 5 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[17:43] <CIA-39> Separate the muon translation template into one template per application.
[17:43] <CIA-39> (libmuon, muon, muon-updater, muon-installer and muon-notifier) Having one
[17:53] <ulysses> Riddell: for the HUPnP's CMakeFile: http://pastebin.com/GeSRh6pg
[17:55] <Riddell> ulysses: can you pastebin the output of running  "sudo make install" in the HUPnP source?
[17:56] <ulysses> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/QtGtmgeM
[17:59] <Riddell> ulysses: that's installing into /home/ulysses/Dev...
[17:59] <Riddell> so UPnP MediaServer KIOslave won't find it there
[17:59] <ulysses> yes, it won't
[18:01] <Riddell> ulysses: try this..
[18:01] <Riddell> sudo make install INSTALL_ROOT=/usr
[18:01] <ulysses> Riddell: If I change the install dir of HUPnP, it has to be work
[18:02] <ulysses> INSTALL_DIR   = $(COPY_DIR)
[18:02] <ulysses> where COPY_DIR is /usr
[18:07] <Riddell> ulysses: where is that?
[18:08] <ulysses> HUPnP's modified Makefile: http://pastebin.com/Bw8zPMzX
[18:09] <Riddell> give it a try
[18:13] <DarkwingDuck> Yay! I fixed my e key
[18:16] <ulysses> Nothing…
[18:16] <Riddell> ulysses: no change?
[18:17] <ulysses> Riddell: nothing, with the modification or with ROOT=/usr
[18:18] <Riddell> qmake is annoying
[18:18] <ScottK> Riddell: kdesdk 4.5.3 got missed uploading to Natty.  You had the changes in bzr, so I just uploaded it using the tarball from the PPA.
[18:19] <Riddell> thanks ScottK
[18:19] <ScottK> No problem.
[18:24] <Riddell> ulysses: well I'm afraid I'm out of ideas, I think you'll need to e-mail the huphp and uphp-kioslave authors to ask how to compile and install huphp into /usr
[18:24] <Riddell> this is fairly typical of the task of a packager
[18:34] <ulysses> Riddell: I sent e-mails
[18:47] <Riddell> thanks ulysses


[05:38] <bit0r> 👋 hello, I am a beginner in IRC.
[06:56] <vincejv> hi anyways to make krfb to run at startup? or make it a systemd service?
[07:02] <vincejv> or what do you suggest on controlling kubuntu desktop remotely unattended?
[09:06] <aiena> Is there any good documentation on setting up SELinux. I can find some debian stuff vut its not up to date but maybe i AM LOOKING AT LODER DOCS
[09:06] <aiena> hmm * maybe I am looking at older docs
[09:07] <aiena> om kubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[10:45] <kamilk> 🐧
[11:34] <mparillo> vincejv: If you are willing to wait until Plasma Loads, you can use the System Settings > Autostart module
[11:42] <vincejv> mparillo thanks, but everytime it starts I have to choose a monitor? how do I make it select a default monitor? krfb --display :0 no longer works says "krfb: Unknown option 'display'."
[11:42] <vincejv> krfb --help-all doesn't say anything about a replacement
[12:13] <thelounge10> Hello everyone, I am a beginner in IRC and have just learned how to use it.
[12:15] <kamilk> o/
[12:18] <vincejv> mparillo: seems like a wayland issue, switched to x11
[13:09] <vincejv> seems like i have to login first before this "Autostart module" triggers, any way to make it start without logging in?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:46] <vincejv> I just used x11vnc instead of krfb instructions here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/gmy37z/comment/fr8h6wk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
[13:55] <vincejv> "A System Error has occured.
[13:55] <vincejv> The software is experiencing a systems error." Having this error on Kubuntu forums


[03:28] <virtu> hi
[04:45] <virtu> http://www.4shared.com/audio/35XLDtYW/Ascension_-_Concert_Grand_and_.html
[07:32] <ailo> Anyone else testing Ubuntustudio alpha, here?
[07:33] <holstein> not yet
[07:34] <holstein> i hear the gnome session is a bit funky right now
[07:34] <holstein> with the unity switch happening in the main buntu
[07:36] <ailo> yeah. I just tried logging in into unity, but there was no panels. "Classic Desktop" worked fine, though.
[07:36] <holstein> yup
[07:36] <holstein> thats being updated AFAIK
[07:39] <ailo> I saw some new tasksel's, but choosing all of them did not work.
[07:40] <ailo> During install, I mean.
[07:41] <holstein> ailo: yeah
[07:41] <holstein> it'll be automatic
[07:41] <holstein> i think we'll lose unity
[07:41] <holstein> and stay with gnome
[07:41] <holstein> maybe have both
[07:42] <holstein> im not totally sure
[07:44] <holstein> ailo: im about to check out remmina
[08:08] <ailo> holstein: Where do we report bugs? Can't get Alessio's low-latency kernel to install. Apt complains about not being able to install headers.
[08:09] <ailo> The headers package is in the list, but for some reason it won't install.
[08:11] <ailo> I found https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio, where you can report bugs.
[08:12] <ailo> Alessio doesn't seem to have a "Report bug" option in his launchpad pages.
[15:23] <holstein> ailo: we just report in LP
[15:23] <holstein> same as normal ubuntu
[15:24] <holstein> ScottL: did you see ^^
[15:24] <holstein> 03:08 < ailo> holstein: Where do we report bugs? Can't get Alessio's low-latency kernel to install. Apt complains about not  being able to install headers.
[15:24] <holstein> ^
[15:24] <holstein> ailo: 32bit?
[15:28] <ScottL> thanks holstein
[15:28] <ScottL> i believe the -lowlatency he is talking about is pulled from abogani's ppa
[15:28] <ScottL> we will need to talk directly to him
[15:29] <ScottL> if someone does file a bug then we should _subscribe_ him to the bug (not assign him to the bug)
[15:29] <ScottL> otherwise we probably need to email alessio directly
[15:30] <ScottL> which can be accomplished from the "Contact This Person" button on his launchpad page
[15:31] <holstein> OIC
[15:31] <holstein> ailo: yeah, if you added abogani's PPA
[15:31] <holstein> we'll just have to get a message to him
[15:32] <holstein> and make sure he knows about it
[15:57] <ed__> hi everybody
[15:58] <ed__> I have a problem with ardour
[15:58] <holstein> hey ed__
[15:58] <holstein> whats up?
[15:59] <ed__> hi holstein, i'm trying to hook up hydrogen to ardour. i can record the track, but hear no output (unless i play the recorded track back)
[15:59] <holstein> ed__: you want to 'monitor' the hydrogen playback?
[16:00] <holstein> while recording?
[16:00] <ed__> holstein, yes, and monitor it when not recording or playing back
[16:00] <holstein> this can be done in ardour itself, but you would need to ask in #ardour for specifics
[16:00] <holstein> the way i do this
[16:00] <holstein> i just route the tracks
[16:00] <holstein> in jack control
[16:01] <holstein> to whatever im monitoring with
[16:01] <holstein> my sound card*
[16:01] <holstein> and route them to the tracks i want to record them on as well
[16:02] <holstein> spliting them so ardour and I can both hear them
[16:02] <ed__> holstein, i have hydrogen outs into audio1 in1 and in2. and the audio 1 out1 and out into master in1 and in2, master out1 and out2 to playback in1 and in2
[16:03] <holstein> right
[16:03] <holstein> ed__: but, those labels are not persistent
[16:03] <ed__> shouldn't i be able to hear hydrogen?
[16:03] <holstein> different for me
[16:03] <holstein> SO it might take me a minute to figure out what is what
[16:03] <holstein> ed__: i would say
[16:04] <holstein> on the right side
[16:04] <holstein> playback 1 and 2
[16:04] <holstein> *should* be your sound card
[16:04] <holstein> and going out from hydrogen to those *should* let you hear them
[16:04] <holstein> regardless of ardour
[16:04] <holstein> SO lets try and get that happening
[16:05] <holstein> and go from there
[16:05] <ed__> holstein, ok, but please note, i have system capture out1 and out2 routed the exact same way and i can hear my bass just fine
[16:05] <holstein> right
[16:05] <holstein> this should work
[16:05] <holstein> and could be a hydrogen bug
[16:05] <holstein> ive had issues with ht
[16:05] <holstein> it*
[16:05] <holstein> before
[16:05] <holstein> not often though
[16:06] <holstein> ed__: AFAIK hydrogen is always in RC status
[16:06] <holstein> like google or something ;)
[16:06] <holstein> ed__: i know there is a setting in hydrogen
[16:07] <holstein> to make a separate output per instrument
[16:07] <holstein> i like that
[16:07] <holstein> *preffer
[16:07] <ed__> holstein, ok thanx, but something must be buggy, because i think you should be able to monitor your tracks
[16:07] <holstein> not that that is going to fix the issue
[16:07] <holstein> ed__: you can
[16:07] <holstein> and i dont think its an issue in ardour
[16:07] <holstein> BUT i could be wrong
[16:07] <holstein> i just route
[16:08] <holstein> in JACK
[16:08] <holstein> and dont have ardour do that
[16:08] <holstein> but there is a button that i unclick
[16:08] <holstein> 'auto output' or something like that
[16:08] <holstein> its a green button on the ardour panel
[16:09] <holstein> and i think that routes to the 'audition' outputs
[16:09] <holstein> that show up in JACK
[16:10] <holstein> ed__: if i were you
[16:10] <ed__> holstein, i am routing with patchage, have been trying various routings, checking the routings in ardour and except for the source (capture or hydrogen) they are the same
[16:10] <holstein> i would close everything
[16:10] <holstein> open only JACK and hydrogen
[16:10] <holstein> and try to make those connections using JACK 'connect' instead of patchage
[16:10] <holstein> try to reduce the variables
[16:10] <holstein> and then go from there
[16:11] <ed__> holstein, already done that, in that scenario hydrogen works fine
[16:11] <holstein> ed__: cool
[16:11] <holstein> SO
[16:11] <holstein> you open ardour?
[16:11] <ed__> holstein, yes
[16:11] <holstein> and you cant hear hydrogen anymore?
[16:12] <holstein> again, i would try this without patchage
[16:12] <holstein> just to make sure
[16:12] <ed__> holstein, when i start hydrogen it automatically connect hydrogen outs to system playback
[16:14] <holstein> hydrogen is already running right?
[16:14] <holstein> with JACK running
[16:14] <holstein> without patchage open
[16:14] <holstein> get hydrogen running
[16:14] <holstein> making sounds
[16:14] <holstein> then
[16:14] <holstein> fire up ardour
[16:14] <holstein> and double check the connections in 'connect'
[16:15] <holstein> and see whats happening
[16:15] <ed__> when i then start ardour, system capture is automatically connect to adour audio1 in 1 and in2, master out and audition out routed to system playback
[16:15] <holstein> ed__: right
[16:15] <holstein> and thats probably what you want
[16:15] <holstein> i usually unplug everything
[16:15] <holstein> and do it myself
[16:17] <ed__> holstein, just a sec, i'm going to try something
[16:19] <ed__> holstein, well the level meters in the master bus are showing sound levels, but no sounds coming out on master bus out
[16:20] <ed__> holstein, master bus out -> system playback
[16:21] <holstein> ed__: so you get no sounds at all from ardour?
[16:21] <holstein> after recording something?
[16:22] <ed__> holstein, hydrogen can be recorded, and when you play it back you get sound. i just cannot here it while recording
[16:22] <holstein> ed__: you can hear hydrogen while ardour is not open>
[16:22] <holstein> ?
[16:22] <ed__> holstein, yes
[16:23] <holstein> and the routing is the same?
[16:23] <holstein> now?
[16:23] <holstein> double check hydrogens routing in JACK
[16:23] <holstein> ed__: for my workflow
[16:24] <holstein> i would have all the hydrogen outs routed to my card and to the tracks i want to record
[16:24] <holstein> ardour might change that when you launch it
[16:24] <ed__> no, i've routed hydrogen out to adour track1 in, and ardour track1 out to ardour moniter in, and ardour monitor out to system->playback. this works when i use system->capture for the input
[16:24] <holstein> ed__: right
[16:25] <holstein> just route hydrogen right to the card
[16:25] <holstein> split its outs
[16:25] <holstein> to both sources
[16:25] <ed__> holstein, yes, i guess that will be what i have to do
[16:25] <holstein> ed__: thats the way i preffer to do it
[16:25] <holstein> if you want to use ardour for monitoring, you should ask in #ardour
[16:25] <holstein> i cant remember why i didnt like it
[16:25] <ed__> holstein,  ok thanks for the help
[16:26] <holstein> OH, if i want to stick a reverb on
[16:26] <holstein> or something
[16:26] <holstein> just for tracking
[16:26] <holstein> this is easier i find
[16:26] <holstein> i get a seperated 'line' that i can mess with
[16:26] <holstein> that doesnt go to tape
[16:27] <holstein> ed__: also ask in #opensourcemusicians :)
[16:27]  * holstein gotta run to the LUG meeting :)
[16:27] <holstein> bbl..
[16:27] <ed__> holstein, ok, thanks again
[20:55] <domjohnson> Does Ubuntu Studio boot by default into the rt kernel?
[20:56] <holstein> domjohnson: nope
[20:56] <domjohnson> OK
[20:56] <holstein> domjohnson: theres a trick to getting a realtime kernel in 10.10
[20:56] <domjohnson> Just seems a little unstable
[20:57] <holstein> http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[20:57]  * holstein gotta run...
[20:57] <holstein> BBL


[00:00] <sarnold> yes-linux: 'reorganizing' the files in the filesystem probably meant renaming the names in the directory listings -- the processes doing the copying had a file open, and was writing into the file, but it doesn't actually care about the filename
[00:01] <sarnold> yes-linux: if you had tried to move the file across filesystem boundaries, it would have been a gigantic mess, exactly as you expected :)
[00:02] <sarnold> yes-linux: 'moving' a file across filesystem boundaries is actually a copy and remove, behind the scenes.. but moving a file within a filesystem is just editing two directories, moving just the names
[00:02] <yes-linux> sarnold: indeed, interesting creatures! :)  Thanks for explaining!
[00:07] <pedahzur> Anyone hear have any contacts at Ubuntu in the blog section? I wanted to read https://canonical.com/blog/no-more-dhcpd but it comes up blank for me.
[00:10] <sarnold> pedahzur: thanks
[00:12] <pedahzur> sarnold: Sure thing. I was really curious what dhcpd was going to be replaced with. I know it's been EOL'ed. :)
[00:13] <bougyman> is that ISC's dhcpd ?
[00:13] <bougyman> When did that hit EOL?
[00:13] <yes-linux> I am about to try Ubuntu 23.04 via a live USB. is dd if=/isoFile of=/dev/sdb the same as writing the iso via the USB startup Disk creator?
[00:14] <bougyman> https://www.isc.org/dhcp/ holy crap.
[00:14] <bougyman> https://www.isc.org/kea/ there's the replacement
[00:16] <pedahzur> bougyman: Yeah, Kea is the ISC's replacement. But it has lots of non-open-source plugins, so I was curious how the transition was going to go. It's not a drop-in replacement.
[00:48] <gnarlin> Hello, Can someone help me with a bash one liner?
[00:48] <arraybolt3> I can try!
[00:48] <gnarlin> while true;do date "+%d/%m/%y %H:%M "|tr -d "\n";sensors|grep -i "cpu temperature"|tee -a ~/Documents/cpu-temp.log;sleep 1;done
[00:48] <arraybolt3> And you want that to do what?
[00:49] <arraybolt3> I'm guessing you're trying to put a date followed by sensor information into a log.
[00:49] <gnarlin> the problem I have is that the time and date part are not being added to the cpu-temp.log file
[00:49] <gnarlin> yes. I do get the temperature into the log file just fine, but not the date.
[00:49] <gnarlin> I'm doing the tee part wrong somehow
[00:49] <arraybolt3> OK, one sec, I see why it's not doing it and just need to figure out how to get the other stuff in too.
[00:50] <leftyfb> while true;do echo $(date "+%d/%m/%y %H:%M "|tr -d "\n") $(sensors|grep -i "cpu temperature")|tee -a ~/Documents/cpu-temp.log;sleep 1;done
[00:51] <arraybolt3> gnarlin: I think leftyfb's thing will work.
[00:51] <arraybolt3> I was going to assign the two pieces of info to variables and then tee them separately, but that looks cleaner.
[00:51] <gnarlin> leftyfb: Thank you SO much. That worked. So, my problem was that I wasn't seperating the two parts well enough
[00:52] <arraybolt3> gnarlin: Basically, the first part was just printing the info to the terminal, and it wasn't reaching the tee command.
[00:52] <arraybolt3> Just like how "echo abc <Enter> echo def | tee whatever <Enter>" will only get "def" into the output file.
[00:52] <arraybolt3> (Where <Enter> is a literal Enter keypress.)
[00:53] <arraybolt3> Whereas leftyfb's solution uses two subshells to generate strings, gives them *both* to "echo", and then pipes that into "tee".
[00:53] <gnarlin> Works perfectly. Thank you so much.
[00:54] <sarnold> if it were me, I'd have used a simple subshell: while true ; do (date "+%d/%m/%y %H:%M "|tr -d "\n";sensors|grep -i "cpu temperature") ; sleep 1 ; done | tee -a ~/Documents/cpu-temp.log
[00:54] <leftyfb> that'll also work
[00:54] <gnarlin> Anyway, I just proved to myself that my waterpump is stopping intermittently and I need to replace my cooling.
[00:55] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Won't that only ever actually print the data once the loop stops?  Rosen suddenly to 100˚C
[00:55] <arraybolt3> Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding how some of that stuff works.
[00:55] <sarnold> arraybolt3: well, okay, I only tested toys, not that, but it probably does what I expect :)
[00:57] <sarnold> lets see if this url (a) fits on one line (b) actually explains anything? :)
[00:57] <sarnold> https://explainshell.com/explain?cmd=while+true+%3B+do+%28date+%22%2B%25d%2F%25m%2F%25y+%25H%3A%25M+%22%7Ctr+-d+%22%5Cn%22%3Bsensors%7Cgrep+-i+%22cpu+temperature%22%29+%3B+sleep+1+%3B+done+%7C+tee+-a+%7E%2FDocuments%2Fcpu-temp.log
[00:57] <arraybolt3> It explains to me that URL encoding is horrible.
[00:57] <sarnold> yes, yes it does
[00:57] <gnarlin> Btw, do any of you know where Psensor actually logs? I couldn't figure out where the hell the actual log files are. I check .psensor and .config/psensor. Found nothing
[00:58] <leftyfb> gnarlin: is it a service?
[00:58] <sarnold> "A Graphical Temperature Monitoring Application"  .. I'm not sure I'd expect it to actually have logs
[00:58] <arraybolt3> gnarlin: As a sidenote, we generally avoid strong language in this channel. :)
[00:59] <gnarlin> Oh, sorry
[00:59] <arraybolt3> I wish I knew, but I usually just use KDE's System Monitor so I'e never used psensor.
[01:00] <gnarlin> There seems to be a darth of good GUI temp monitoring software like Librehardwaremonitor, which is ironically Free software, but only for Microsoft Windows.
[01:01] <arraybolt3> lol, well hey, Windows needs one too :)
[01:02] <gnarlin> I tried making Librehardwaremonitor run via mono (since it's written in c$, but no luck.
[01:08] <arraybolt3> gnarlin: What DE are you using?
[01:08] <arraybolt3> If you're on KDE, the built-in System Monitor is *really* flexible.
[01:09] <gnarlin> Just plain 'ol Gnome
[01:09] <arraybolt3> Oh well.
[01:09] <gnarlin> is it possible to install just the KDE system monitor without installing the kitchen sync?
[01:09] <gnarlin> sink
[01:10] <gnarlin> if there was a flatpak or snap with just that, that would be greeeeeat.
[01:10] <arraybolt3> Possibly.
[01:10] <arraybolt3> Eh, I don't see it in the Snap store sadly.
[01:10] <arraybolt3> https://i.imgur.com/qbblqYg.png
[01:11] <arraybolt3> ^ super fancy temp graph
[01:11] <gnarlin> can it log temps to file/files?
[01:11] <sarnold> it looks like the sort of thing that'd be on a typical startup .io domain website
[01:11] <arraybolt3> Hmm, I don't see that functionality.
[01:12] <arraybolt3> sarnold: lol
[01:12] <sarnold> it's funny to me that the actual useful bits of it, '29.9', '37.0', etc, are *so small*, and there's no history information, which feels like the whole point of having a gui :)
[01:12] <arraybolt3> Oh you can change that :D
[01:12] <gnarlin> The whole point of having a GUI is to get graphical context for the data. Seems.... not good
[01:12] <gnarlin> and especially especially if you can't log it
[01:12] <arraybolt3> https://i.imgur.com/MNO1mzx.png
[01:12] <gnarlin> that's much better
[01:13] <arraybolt3> I liked the first one though :P
[01:13] <sarnold> arraybolt3: there we go, finally a reason for a gui :)
[01:13] <sarnold> oh sure it's pretty
[01:13] <sarnold> I'm just not sure it conveys anything :)
[01:13] <gnarlin> but no logging though :-/
[01:13] <gnarlin> seems odd to leave out when implementing it should be so easy
[01:13] <gnarlin> also, the Gnome system monitor is.... very simplistic. No temperatures for cpu or gpu or gpu usage stats
[01:14] <arraybolt3> Agreed. But that's all of GNOME in my opinion.
[01:14] <arraybolt3> The only thing I don't like about KDE is that it is, in my experience, less stable than other DEs.
[01:14] <gnarlin> Honestly, Gnome+plugins is doing it for me except for the System Monitor.
[01:14] <arraybolt3> For instance Plasma and KWin have a tendency to crash every so often for me and I have to restart them.
[01:17] <sarnold> hmm, I wonder why I can't find sensord around anywhere
[01:18] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Ugh, that explainshell website has a fork bomb as the first example code snippet >_<
[01:18] <sarnold>   * Drop the sensord package, it is not really maintained upstream, and
[01:18] <sarnold>     the RRD part has some issues (closes: #244037, #469096, #790796).
[01:18] <arraybolt3> And the explanation doesn't tell you "running this will force you to reboot"
[01:18] <sarnold> .... ohhhhhh
[01:18] <sarnold> arraybolt3: d'oh
[01:18] <arraybolt3> (and cripple your machine until you do)
[01:19] <gnarlin> Doesn't Cactus depend on that Sensord for RRD?
[01:20] <sarnold> this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacti_(software)
[01:20] <sarnold> yeah it's entirely possible they might only have sensor data via sensord,
[01:20] <gnarlin> yup. I used to use it all the time years ago at my previous job. Served me well
[04:28] <slavetococo> hi
[04:37] <boser> moin
[04:38] <luna> morning
[04:38] <slavetococo> GUYS I INSTALLED UBUNTU IN A VM
[04:38] <slavetococo> what do I win?
[04:41] <boser> that you can kill it, without to distupe the main OS. And you can run a other OS on the maschine. \o/
[04:42] <slavetococo> How do I enable Multipass?
[04:48] <boser> some Docu for you: https://multipass.run/docs/linux-tutorial
[04:56] <rabbitnightmare> ok so I can connect to bluetooth devices but after a fresh install of 23.04 tonight, bluetooth audio no longer works
[04:56] <rabbitnightmare> note it worked fine in 22.10
[04:57] <rabbitnightmare> its an intel bluetooth/wifi6e adapter
[04:57] <rabbitnightmare> very linux friendly
[04:57] <rabbitnightmare> any help would be greatly appreciated
[05:05] <idmbe> rabbitnightmare: try to type this in terminal   sudo drivers autoinstall
[05:06] <rabbitnightmare> command not found
[05:07] <Bashing-om> rabbitnightmare: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall .
[05:08] <rabbitnightmare> all the drivers are already installed
[05:13] <idmbe> rabbitnightmare: go to additional drivers from menu down left in corner .. do you see your device there
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> its an intel card friend
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> the drivers are kernel based
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> its not the card
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> works in 22.10
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> tested using the iso
[05:14] <rabbitnightmare> worked for the 6 months I had it installed
[05:15] <rabbitnightmare> I mean I can go back to 22.10 but it is an issue
[05:15] <rabbitnightmare> also steam is failing to load
[05:16] <boser> have you look into the 'alsamixer'? If the device correct configured?
[05:16] <rabbitnightmare> 23.04 is SO buggy
[05:16] <rabbitnightmare> boser I never had to do that before
[05:16] <rabbitnightmare> it always just worked
[05:17] <rabbitnightmare> I am telling yall that 23.04 has a LOT of problems
[05:17] <rabbitnightmare> idk if its gnome 44 causing them or what but I feel like this release was rushed
[05:18] <rabbitnightmare> I try to log into google for gnome and I cant click the email input to type
[05:18] <rabbitnightmare> so many little glitches
[05:19] <rabbitnightmare> I wouldn't even call this a beta release
[05:19] <rabbitnightmare> good lord, the quality of Ubuntu has fallen off
[05:20] <idmbe> rabbitnightmare:  almost this issue come form upgrade os not from fresh install
[05:20] <rabbitnightmare> it is a fresh install
[05:20] <rabbitnightmare> I never do in place upgrades
[05:21] <idmbe> it's laptop or pc ?
[05:21] <rabbitnightmare> desktop pc with intel hardware
[05:21] <rabbitnightmare> core i5 13600k, intel wifi
[05:21] <rabbitnightmare> intel bt
[05:22] <rabbitnightmare> it is as basic as they come
[05:22] <rabbitnightmare> I booted fedora on the system and bluetooth audio worked out of the box with gnome 44
[05:22] <rabbitnightmare> with their latest iso
[05:22] <rabbitnightmare> so the issue is Ubuntu 23.04
[05:23] <rabbitnightmare> yeah I rebooted back to 23.04 and tried to pair the headphones again, and no dice
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> it connects
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> but no audi
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> o
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> I load steam from the snap store and when I try to open the login screen, its just blank with nowhere to click
[05:24] <rabbitnightmare> I try to login to gnome with my google account and the window that pops up wont let me type into the email box
[05:25] <rabbitnightmare> whatever under the hood things yall did with this release broke a TON of things
[05:26] <rabbitnightmare> I mean did you not even bother to test it?
[05:27] <idmbe>  i recommend for you 22.04 LTS if you have all that a lot of issues with 23.04
[05:28] <rabbitnightmare> well I mean sure but why even release an OS every 6 months if its going to be broken like this? seems like a monumental waste of human resources
[05:29] <rabbitnightmare> that dev time could be better spent on making applications and services people and businesses would pay for
[05:30] <dsc_> rabbitnightmare: where did you get this misinformation from? the science is settled on 23.04 working just fine
[05:30] <idmbe> Yes, that a point of view
[05:30] <rabbitnightmare> dsc_ if it were working fine I would not be facing the issues I am having
[05:30] <rabbitnightmare> I even redownloaded the iso and made it with a different usb stick and reinstalled it twice now
[05:30] <dsc_> rabbitnightmare: have you tried the steam executable directly from Valve?
[05:31] <rabbitnightmare> the one in the snap store is the executable from valve, packaged as a snap
[05:31] <dsc_> is that a 'no' ?
[05:31] <rabbitnightmare> I think you are just trolling because the one from valve is the same version as the snap one
[05:32] <rabbitnightmare> and I never had this issue before
[05:33] <dsc_> consider reporting a bug to the people doing efforts related to snap here https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/steam-call-for-testing/34575
[05:34] <dsc_> or install the original executable directly
[05:38] <rabbitnightmare> same issue
[05:38] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[05:38] <rabbitnightmare> the UI is having a ton of issues
[05:38] <rabbitnightmare> when I go to open certain applications I can't interact with them at all
[05:40] <rabbitnightmare> and others seem fine
[05:40] <dsc_> you are going to need to describe your exact issue in an effective manner
[05:42] <gry> someone needs ai to understand rabbitnightmare; i think "after upgrade to 23.04 i can't click email input to type in google [chrome? (what web browser are you using?)]"
[05:42] <rabbitnightmare> after upgrade and after fresh install
[05:42] <gry> can you tell me what is your hardware and whether it works if you create a new OS user to test it
[05:42] <gry> oh fresh install - ignore the bit about new user, that's already a new user
[05:42] <rabbitnightmare> intel core i5 13600k, msi pro z690a ddr4 wifi
[05:42] <rabbitnightmare> 512gb nvme ssd
[05:42] <gry> ram?
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> 24gb
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> 48gb
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> ratger
[05:43] <gry> this is amazing, it should just work
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> 48gb rather
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> you would think
[05:43] <gry> you log in, open only one browser window - click gmail.com - start typing your email and it freezes or does what?
[05:43] <rabbitnightmare> intel igp graphics
[05:44] <rabbitnightmare> so I login to the first start thing that pops up on a fresh intall
[05:44] <rabbitnightmare> it says "log into accounts" and I click google
[05:44] <rabbitnightmare> the email window pops up and I cant click it
[05:44] <rabbitnightmare> I type and nothing happens
[05:45] <rabbitnightmare> I go into settings>accounts
[05:45] <rabbitnightmare> I click google
[05:45] <rabbitnightmare> same thing
[05:45] <rabbitnightmare> I cant interact with the window that pops up
[05:46] <rabbitnightmare> I mean I can scroll but clicking it does nothing and I cant even click forgot email
[05:46] <rabbitnightmare> the other accounts work but google is broken
[05:47] <gry> can you please install 'kazam' and record screen showing how it happens, i'm just struggling to imagine it properly
[05:47] <rabbitnightmare> I go to open a video in gnome videos and I cant click any of the controls
[05:47] <gry> still thinking what to do
[05:47] <gry> could load without graphics - with nomodeset
[05:47] <gry> !nomodeset
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> its intel igp
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> roflmao
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> unreal
[05:48] <gry> what
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> everything about this system is linux friendly
[05:48] <gry> it is a debug procedure. it doesn't mean you need to put your graphics card in a bin
[05:48] <gry> maybe there is a bug in the graphics driver
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> theres no card
[05:48] <rabbitnightmare> just the cpu
[05:49] <dsc_> rabbitnightmare: there is a GPU inside the CPU ;)
[05:49] <rabbitnightmare> and for some reason the folder icon disappeared from my dock randomly
[05:49] <rabbitnightmare> I have no clue where it went
[05:49] <gry> you may ned to resolve one problem at a time
[05:50] <rabbitnightmare> imma resolve this real fast by going back to 22.10
[05:50] <rabbitnightmare> but yall need to be made aware that there are a boat load of issues
[05:50] <gry> that is fine, although i'd suggest to file a bug and detail your hardware in it and attach a screencast from kazam
[05:50] <gry> kazam is very user friendly and it'd save others the trouble of understanding what the issue is like from a text description
[05:51] <rabbitnightmare> I will
[05:51] <rabbitnightmare> not trolling friend at all, and I get that its early for gnome 44
[05:51] <rabbitnightmare> im surprised it was released with 23.04
[05:51] <rabbitnightmare> seems a bit hasty
[05:52] <rabbitnightmare> I would have waited until 22.10 for gnome 44.x to ensure everything was smooth
[05:52] <rabbitnightmare> or 23.04.1 or something
[05:57] <rabbitnightmare> yeah for the life of me I cant open any folders
[05:57] <rabbitnightmare> I double click a folder and it brings up disk usage analyzer
[05:57] <rabbitnightmare> wtf?
[05:58] <rabbitnightmare> even when clicking the home icon on the desktop
[05:58] <gry> rabbitnightmare: you mentioned upgade and fresh install
[05:58] <rabbitnightmare> I am soooooooooo confused
[05:58] <gry> rabbitnightmare: did you do both from the same .iso file?
[05:58] <rabbitnightmare> this is a fresh install and I did NOTHING to it
[05:58] <rabbitnightmare> no different iso I downloaded it
[05:58] <gry> rabbitnightmare: did you download the .iso twice or once?
[05:59] <rabbitnightmare> I only downloaded the iso when I noticed issues thinking it was the upgrade I had done
[05:59] <gry> rabbitnightmare: thanks for the clarifications, i'm still thinking of possible causes. looks like a corrupted install. does the same happen in live cd? maybe your hard drive (ssd) is bugged
[05:59] <rabbitnightmare> only to find out that post install its facing a lot of the same issues
[05:59] <rabbitnightmare> and then some
[05:59] <gry> rabbitnightmare: do you have two copies of the .iso or only one?
[06:00] <rabbitnightmare> I have the thumb drive I created to do the fresh install
[06:01] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[06:01] <rabbitnightmare> this is the buggiest release I have seen in almost a decade
[06:01] <gry> rabbitnightmare: and upgrade was done without .iso, so it was done through the package manager, correct?
[06:01] <gry> rabbitnightmare: can you try to boot from that usb into a live cd and test for the issue there please?
[06:01] <rabbitnightmare> yes, I used the upgrader thing in ubuntu
[06:02] <rabbitnightmare> it was having issues
[06:02] <gry> rabbitnightmare: and check the md5sum of the .iso when you get a chance
[06:02] <rabbitnightmare> so I downloaded an iso and used startup disk creator to make it
[06:02] <rabbitnightmare> formatted the drive
[06:03] <rabbitnightmare> the funniest thing I have seen is gnome folders removing itself from the pc
[06:03] <rabbitnightmare> like it straight up disappeared
[06:04] <gry> rabbitnightmare: my suggestion right now is to attempt a live usb; failing that, re-download the .iso, check its hash sum, and try the live usb again; if both of these fail, take a video with your camera (smartphone, ask a friend, whatever) and send in a bug report
[06:04] <rabbitnightmare> I dont understand how this made it out the door in the condition its in
[06:04] <rabbitnightmare> I cant even use startup disk creator to find the iso
[06:05] <gry> rabbitnightmare: it isn't necessarily an issue with the OS - could be with your .iso downloaded or with the hardware - please help by trying to troubleshoot it
[06:05] <rabbitnightmare> I am downloading now and cracking open a brand new never before used usb drive
[06:06] <gry> thanks heaps
[06:07] <rabbitnightmare> thankfully this laptop is older and I dont need kernel 6.2 for it so I keep it on LTS
[06:08] <rabbitnightmare> I wish sandisk would stop putting bloatware on their drives
[06:08] <rabbitnightmare> I am like "why is there data on the drive?!?" oh sandisk backup
[06:10] <nathan_> this chat any good for xubuntu support?
[06:10] <rabbitnightmare> depends
[06:11] <nathan_> well i finally made the swap to Linux...
[06:11] <nathan_> it only took 30 years
[06:11] <nathan_> is the software centre defunct?
[06:11] <rabbitnightmare> whats the issue you are facing
[06:11] <rabbitnightmare> no?
[06:12] <nathan_> cant seem to download ANY programs..
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> 23.04?
[06:13] <rabbitnightmare> by chance?
[06:14] <nathan_> im on an old 32 bit device...so had to get an old version linux
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> 32 bit support for Ubuntu was removed
[06:15] <nathan_> awesome.
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> iirc it was back in 2019
[06:15] <nathan_> its not critical. was just curious.
[06:15] <rabbitnightmare> all good
[06:16] <rabbitnightmare> there are other distros that have 32 bit support but I think you will find moving forward that you wont be able to use i386 as its being phased out from the kernel
[06:17] <nathan_> i thought so, I just managed to get an old toughbook for cheap so I thought id give it a go.
[06:17] <rabbitnightmare> there will always be specialty builds and such but its such old hardware
[06:17] <rabbitnightmare> there hasn't been a 32 bit x86 chip made since 2003
[06:18] <rabbitnightmare> that was 20 years ago
[06:18] <nathan_> that feels like yesterday
[06:18] <nathan_> have a Panasonic cf18 if that tells you anything.
[06:18] <rabbitnightmare> install windows 98 or dos on it for old gaming
[06:19] <rabbitnightmare> make a yt video about it there is an audience for it
[06:19] <rabbitnightmare> ok I need to go test this new usb
[06:19] <nathan_> thx
[06:20] <rabbitnightmare> I will be back tomorrow
[06:20] <nathan_> im in southern hemisphere
[06:20] <nathan_> appreciate the help
[06:20] <rabbitnightmare> there seems to be this sudden influx of people from south america
[06:20] <rabbitnightmare> oh he left
[06:21] <nathan_> im more impartial to seeing Kangaroos where I am.\
[06:50] <rabbitnightmare> ok wow so um I was able to recreate the issue
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> brt you here?
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> if you install fuse, it removes gnome folders!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> fuse is necessary to run appimages
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> this is a MASSIVE oversight
[06:52] <rabbitnightmare> why the hell does fuse remove shit from my install?!?
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> so I can safely tell you without a shadow of a doubt that you DID NOT test 23.04
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> !language | rabbitnightmare
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> oh sorry
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> so the bt audio was working
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> I installed fuse and it stopped working
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> fuse is the first thing that gets installed for businesses
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> come on people test the distro before releasing it
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> IMHO fuse is as important as an init or even the Linux kernel
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> come on
[06:55] <rabbitnightmare> this is totally unacceptable behavior and it seems like its being done on purpose
[06:55] <rabbitnightmare> theres just things that arent in the snap store
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> especially gamers who rely on protonup-qt
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> or me with cura
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> cura only releases as an appimage now
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> this is the pc I design stuff in brics (appimage) and export to my printers by slicing in cura (appimage)
[06:57] <ogra> fuse2 is unmaintained and unsupported since several years (5 or so), ask the appimage people to finally move to a supported version (fuse3, which is shipped by default)
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> ogra or dont break compatibility
[06:58] <ogra> rabbitnightmare, i use the cura2 snap since 2019 and have not had any issues with it ...
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> the cura snap is way out of date
[06:58] <ogra> rabbitnightmare, well, we can not support unsupported software in the distro
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> so you remove folders when installing?
[06:58] <ogra> especially on y library level
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> what does that solve
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> you are doing it on purpose because you want to push snap
[06:59] <ogra> i have no idea why folders would be removed, tht might be a gnome decision
[06:59] <rabbitnightmare> doesnt do it in fedora which has it by default btw
[06:59] <rabbitnightmare> this is an Ubuntu decision
[06:59] <ogra> (and i doubt anyone from the distro team plays around with appimages, so as long as nobody filed a bug during the dev cycle, how would they know ?)
[06:59] <rabbitnightmare> by testing it
[07:00] <ogra> why would they test it ?
[07:00] <rabbitnightmare> "how would our business partners who rely on Ubuntu every day respond to this change?"
[07:00] <ogra> we rely on users testing such exotic situations
[07:00] <ogra> lol
[07:00] <rabbitnightmare> using appimages is not exotic
[07:00] <rabbitnightmare> how out of touch with reality are you
[07:00] <ogra> none of canoncals business partners would allow a single appimage in their network
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> ok what about gamers
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> the users
[07:01] <ogra> no idea ... why did they not file a bug ?
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> if "55% of business linux users use Ubuntu" I gurantee some of them have appimages
[07:02] <ogra> surely not ... at least not the "partners" that pay
[07:02] <rabbitnightmare> this is unacceptable and very very bad for your image
[07:02] <rabbitnightmare> this is going public
[07:02] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[07:02] <rabbitnightmare> I cant believe you would stoop so low as to remove important things like the file manager for daring to use appimages
[07:03] <rabbitnightmare> seriously how dare you
[07:03] <rabbitnightmare> in what universe is this acceptable?
[07:03] <ogra> rabbitnightmare, https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/issues/1120 ... the appimage devs are aware of it since 2y
[07:03] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 1120 in AppImage/AppImageKit "fuse-3?" [Closed]
[07:04] <ogra> ... and still didnt manage to fix it yet
[07:04] <rabbitnightmare> they tell you to install libfuse2 and sudo apt install fuse just removes a ton of important things from Ubuntu 23.04
[07:04] <rabbitnightmare> so you should remove it from the repositories at the very least
[07:05] <rabbitnightmare> especially if its going to hose the install
[07:05] <ogra> why did you sudo apt install fuse and not libfuse2 then ?
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> because it says its already installed
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> rofl
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> like I said you didnt test this
[07:06] <ogra> libfuse2 ? it surely isnt
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> or you did and decided that it was ok to release in such bad form
[07:06] <ogra> (unlss you upgraded and had it before)
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> libfuse2 is already the newest version (2.9.9-6).
[07:07] <ogra> libfuse2 surely does not remove gnome files
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> it does try it
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> in a vm
[07:07] <ogra> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/04/appimages-libfuse2-ubuntu-23-04
[07:07] <ogra> installing fuse might ... libfuse2 surely does not
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> yeah I did that and it removed the file manager
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> 3 times
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> roflmao
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> my suggestion is to remove them from the repos
[07:08] <ogra> it is just a lib without reverse dependencies
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> or test this stuff before releasing it
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> and yet...
[07:08] <ogra> again, why would we test anyting we do not support ...
[07:09] <rabbitnightmare> if you dont support it REMOVE IT FROM THE FUCKING REPOSITORIES NOW BAN ME YOU FUCKING TROLL
[07:09] <ogra> if a user makes us aware of it we will try to fix it or release-note it if we can not
[07:09] <rabbitnightmare> GODFUCKING DAMNIT
[07:09] <ogra> calm down
[07:50] <alkisg> rabbitnightmare: I didn't read all the conversation, are you saying that fuse (version2) is needed to run appimages, which can't be installed alongside fuse3, or just libfuse2, which CAN be installed alongside libfuse3?
[07:51] <alkisg> Can you post an appimage that isn't working?
[07:51] <ogra> alkisg, gone ...
[07:52]  * alkisg blames matrix :D
[07:52] <ogra> but reading the backlog it seems there are deeper probs with that install anyway ... might be a VM issue
[07:52] <alkisg> I just wondered if it was a widespread issue that could affect schools here
[07:54] <ogra> i doubt it ... we'd have heard of it before
[07:56] <ogra> also, this isnt actually new in lunar at all ....
[07:56] <ogra> "To use AppImages, you’ll first need to run sudo apt install libfuse2" ... from https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668
[07:57] <ogra> not sure why it bubbles up again now ... it has been like that for a release already
[07:57] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1965636
[07:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1965636 in ubuntukylin-meta (Ubuntu Jammy) "libfuse2 no longer included in jammy, required for AppImages" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[07:59]  * ogra goes afk to give a snapcraft course for the next 4h ... 🙂
[08:09] <alain01-fr> help
[08:15] <iomari891> greetings, after upgrading to 23.04, Some of my python 10 modules won't install. In particular, "getch".
[08:19] <amosbird> Hello! What's the proper way of enabling coredump ?
[08:30] <koffeinfriedhof> amosbird: it is enabled by default. Use `coredumpctl` to see a list of available dumps.
[08:44] <loswedseded> is there a way to transform chinese text (both traditional and simplified) into pinyin with libreoffice?
[09:34] <amosbird> koffeinfriedhof: I thought it's using apport
[09:36] <koffeinfriedhof> It does. But coredumpctl works too (at least in Kubuntu 22.04 which lets me think that is implemented in the base system)
[09:46] <amosbird> ok, coredumpctl doesn't exist in ubuntu 18.04 though
[10:05] <yossarianuk> hi (running 23.04)  - I have a USB ethernet adapter and I cannot get it to work as a bridge using network manager - i have added a bridge via network manager ui and cli - and it just doesn't get ip address on the bridge
[10:05] <yossarianuk> however if I setup the bridge using the ip command its fine
[10:05] <yossarianuk> i.e this method fails -> https://www.tecmint.com/create-network-bridge-in-ubuntu/
[10:05] <yossarianuk> and this method works -> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/613188/bridging-built-in-ethernet-with-usb-ethernet-adapter-in-debian  (first answer)
[10:06] <yossarianuk> using nmcli - when i put br0 to up I see 'br0: connecting (getting IP configuration) to br0'
[10:06] <yossarianuk>  but it never gets ip info
[10:06] <yossarianuk>  any hints ?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:55] <Jari--> Only can imagine how will my Core i7 feel like with Ubuntu... Ubuntu is faster than Windows 11.. on this old rootbox I am locked with Win11.. since the TPM 1.x broke down on installation of Windows 11.
[12:56] <Jari--> I think it is somehow possible to fix the TPM to install Ubuntu once again.
[13:24] <koffeinfriedhof> amosbird: 18.04 is dead anyway.
[13:26] <Henry-Krinkle> anyone owned a Getac laptop?
[13:39] <DangerM> How many HWE kernels do Ubuntu release a year? I've had three already this year
[13:45] <jhutchins> DangerM: There's no quota.
[13:46] <DangerM> Yeah I just don't remember 3 in 3 months before
[13:48] <jhutchins> There's just been a lot of kernel development.  Mainline is up to 6.3
[13:49] <DangerM> Fair enough will have to keep it as is anyway
[13:49] <DangerM> needed it for Xe Graphics acceleration
[13:49] <jhutchins> DangerM: That is a viable option.
[14:47] <jhutchins> 6.3 has just been released.
[14:47] <jhutchins> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/04/26/0023238/linux-kernel-63-released
[14:55] <sgen> so I have an issue with apt-key depreciation: sudo apt update warned with 'https://dl.yarnpgk.com/debian/dists/stable/InRelease: Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring ...
[14:56] <sgen> I tried following these instructions: https://losst.pro/en/how-to-fix-key-is-stored-in-legacy-trusted-gpg-keyring-in-ubuntu
[14:57] <sgen> But now I ahve this error on apt update: An error occured during the signature verification. The following repository is not updated ...
[14:57] <sgen> So something went wrong
[14:57] <sgen> nvm dont think I updated the ley path
[14:57] <sgen> trying that
[15:03] <sgen> fixed it
[15:03] <sgen> ty rubber ducks
[17:10] <tweak> hi all. how can i resolve this? python3-lhafile : Depends: python3 (< 3.11) but 3.11.2-1 is to be installed
[17:11] <jhutchins> tweak: Find the idiot who wrote the dependency list and break fingers until he fixes it.
[17:11] <jhutchins> tweak: (Or you could just report it as a bug to the lhafile developers.)_
[17:12] <tweak> jhutchins: ahh ok that makes sense. thanks
[17:12] <tweak> i though maybe i could --force it?
[17:12] <jhutchins> tweak: You can probably expand the file, correct it, then re-pack it.  Theoretical knowledge only.
[17:13] <tweak> jhutchins: hmmmm thats a good idea, that's probably what i will do
[17:14] <jhutchins> tweak: Worth a try, at the least you'll learn something.
[17:14] <Gallomimia> the following packages have been kept back: tzdata
[17:14] <jhutchins> You could even write it up for a blog.
[17:14] <Gallomimia> now why... would you hold back that package.
[17:15] <Gallomimia> thanks i would prefer my timezones weren't right until tomorrow.
[17:18] <jhutchins> Gallomimia: Do you have any non-standard or non-official sources?
[17:21] <leftyfb> !phasedupdates | Gallomimia
[17:22] <Gallomimia> uhhhmmm. yes
[17:23] <Gallomimia> a few items installed by ppa
[17:23] <tweak> jhutchins: do you know if i could just compile it from source code would that be a workaround? instead of relying on the repos
[17:23] <Gallomimia> ah. a long wondered question, how do i turn the phased updates off.
[17:23] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: apt-cache policy tzdata | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:23] <jhutchins> tweak: That gets you into a whole new kettle of worms.  Yes, you could do that.  You'd still have to find and fix the dependency.
[17:24] <Gallomimia> well, now i don't know that i want to turn them off!
[17:24] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: apt-cache policy tzdata | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:24] <Gallomimia> one sec
[17:24] <Gallomimia> https://termbin.com/oivf
[17:24] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: if this is just a package being held back, you should be able to install it with: sudo apt install tzdata    # though, I can't imagine this is critical for you and you could just wait for it. It'll probably updated in the coming days
[17:25] <Gallomimia> lol... yeah it just seemed like one that i would want immediately. like if there's a change in how timezones work, i probably want to get on it right away?
[17:25] <tweak> jhutchins: thank you
[17:26] <Gallomimia> did that termbin i posted mean anything to you?
[17:26] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qCbjYpmHXV/
[17:26] <Gallomimia> and uhhh, did someone imply that it's being held back until testing can occur on more exotic lists of ppa interaction?
[17:27] <leftyfb> those are the changes
[17:27] <Gallomimia> ohhhh well. i guess i should make sure it's not going to muck up my files from india that were made in 1970
[17:28] <Gallomimia> sorry guys :) i'm learning a bit from this, but it's a lot more comical than useful
[17:32] <Gallomimia> next question: seems there were some kernel updates. i'm seeing a lot of stuff for 5.19.0-41 but most of it is for 5.15.0-71 and uh. seems rather odd. when did 19 come into play, so suddenly?
[17:33] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: 5.19 is the HWE kernel for Ubuntu 22.04
[17:33] <leftyfb> 5.15 is the GA
[17:35] <Gallomimia> yes lots of hardware enablement stuff in the log. okay thanks. last question. what's GA?
[17:35] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: https://ubuntu.com/kernel/variants
[17:36] <Gallomimia> lol. i guess it's generic. but it never says what the A stands for
[17:37] <Gallomimia> i'm having an amusing day so far
[17:37] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: GA is defined in the first sentence on the link I gave you
[17:38] <Gallomimia> AH finally. thanks. i was looking at the table a bit below...
[17:38] <Gallomimia> i think... coffee.
[18:31] <zir03781> irc://irc.rizon.net/asthenia
[18:32] <oerheks> zir03781, no spam here, thanks.
[19:23] <daft> am i able to do a do-release-upgrade to 23.04? or do i need to wait for the .1 release?
[19:23] <leftyfb> daft: non-LTS releases do not have point releases
[19:24] <leftyfb> daft: do-release-upgrade will upgrade to all supported versions of ubuntu, LTS and non-LTS
[19:24] <leftyfb> daft: 23.04 is a non-LTS
[19:25] <daft> Yes but how do i upgrade to the lastest. Just found out I run lts and it wants to update to 22.10
[19:26] <daft> Or do i need to do a 22.10 1st before going to 23.04?
[19:26] <leftyfb> daft: to get to 23.04, you will need to go to 22.10 and then 23.04
[19:26] <daft> oke
[19:27] <leftyfb> daft: though, unless you have a specific reason to upgrade to non-LTS, I always personally recommend sticking with LTS. Just my personal opinion.
[19:29] <daft> well I want the most eye candy desktop. Hope i can do more tweaking with the lastest plasma.
[19:39] <linux>  Hi, Can you recommend me a solution moving files over wifi between Kubuntu and Android? I used to use Sendanywhere but afte years of using it without any problems it started not connecting to my laptop. Now I tried Warpinator and KDE Connect. After I added rules to firewall I even turned firewall off and restarted applications it doesn't want to connect 8 times out of ten.
[19:43] <daft> there are many. you can even use rcync.  Or get a tool like nextcloud that can synchronize with the android app
[19:43] <BrianBlaze> linux, I have a samsung and my files app allows me to connect to network storage and I have a samba share on my xubuntu. That's how I do it. If you don't have a file app on your phone there are a few in the app store for sure
[19:51] <linux> BrianBlaze: Not bad. Thanks
[20:39] <jhutchins> BrianBlaze: Thanks.  Mine used to work like that, but now niether device will find or connect to the server.
[20:40] <jhutchins> Ah, I see Linux had the same problem.
[20:40] <jhutchins> I was using the X-plore app.
[20:41]  * jhutchins sneaks a look at the time stamp on the scroll buffer.
[20:41] <jhutchins> Oh well.
[21:06] <ivm83> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu 22.04 on an early 2008 MacBook Pro. Everything is great, except that it doesn't boot into the new OS by default - I have to hold Alt and select the only boot option (image of a hard disk and label "EFI Boot") to get it to boot. If I don't do anything at boot time, it just hangs with a black screen and a blinking white cursor in the top left corner. Is there a way to make it boot into the "EFI Boot" by default?
[21:06] <ivm83> Thanks!
[21:24] <tomreyn> ivm83: you probably need to reconfigure your bios to boot in (a) uefi mode by default and (b) (x)ubuntu specifically
[21:24] <tomreyn> oh wait its a mac book pro, sorry, i missed that part
[21:28] <tomreyn> https://apple-history.com/mbp_early_08 seems to be the hardware
[21:34] <ivm83> tomreyn: yes, that one. I don't really *mind* holding Alt every time it boots, but it is a bit annoying ...
[21:34] <ivm83> so I'd like to fix it, if it is in fact fixable :)
[21:35] <tomreyn> ivm83: on the booted xubuntu, can you run   ls -lr /boot/efi/ |& nc termbin.com 9999
[21:36] <tomreyn> ivm83: on the booted xubuntu, can you run   sudo ls -lr /boot/efi/ |& nc termbin.com 9999
[21:36] <tomreyn> actually the latter, with sudo
[21:37] <tomreyn> this will post a listing of the contents of /boot/efi directory, recursively, to termbin.com, and print a link where we can access it. it get's deleted there after a month
[21:38] <devilboy> Hello everyoneee
[21:39] <devilboy> When I was younger :P  I had ubuntu and windows dual boot and I could access windows partition from ubuntu and the opposite.
[21:40] <devilboy> How can I do this again with the easy way?
[21:40] <devilboy> Does anyone know? Thanks in advance!
[21:41] <Jeremy31> devilboy: I think you have to download software for Windows to  read ext4 partitions, Ubuntu should have no issues with Windows partitions
[21:42] <devilboy> Jeremy31, I found it now in ubuntu, I clicked on +Show other locations. Excellent! I was so blind :D
[21:42] <devilboy> I will try it from windows to find something for ext4. Thank you Jeremy31
[21:43] <Jeremy31> devilboy: Just be careful accessing files on ext4 from Windows, I am not sure how reliable it is
[21:44] <devilboy> I believe I will leave it only for ubuntu (as it is) in case windows won't boot up, I can access my files from ubuntu.
[21:45] <devilboy> I'm still on 20.04.6 LTS, thinking of 22.04.2 upgrade but I don't want to spend time fixing the grub.   Take it elsewhere
[21:57] <aimatme> What is going on lol.
[21:58] <live321> leftyfb but anyway thanks for letting me know the quassel code is working
[21:58] <live321> i am out of here
[21:58] <ivm83> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/2s44
[22:06] <tomreyn> ivm83: hmm, i dont want to provide potentially bad suggestions, preventing the next boot from working at all, so i'll need to stop at this point, really. this output looks like you only have the ubuntu efi boot loader, and i assume what you need to get done is to make the macbook always boot in uefi mode, and that'll be it. but i know too little about macs to tell how to achieve this.
[22:08] <EriC^^> ivm83: dabbling with refind might help
[22:12] <ivm83> I don't know if the Intel macs run OpenFirmware or if that's only PowerPC macs ... but yeah I think there's just some mac firmware setting that needs to be applied to set the EFI boot as the default boot option. I just don't know how to do it.
[22:18] <ivm83> solved! Had to ctrl-click the EFI Boot icon to make it sticky. Explained here: https://www.macworld.com/article/192818/startupboot.html
[22:20] <tomreyn> nice find!
[22:49] <ivm83> tomreyn: i expected it to be much more complicated, but apparently it's Apple so it was pretty easy ...
[23:05] <sgen> So do gpg keys go in /etc/apt/trusted.d/name-archive.gpg or /etc/apt/keyrings?
[23:05] <sgen> for signing package repositories
[23:08] <oerheks> in /usr/share/keyrings, see https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-handle-apt-key-and-add-apt-repository-deprecation-using-gpg-to-add-external-repositories-on-ubuntu-22-04
[23:15] <StephenLynx> hey, I got a laptop here with ubuntu 22 and it won't let me change how often I want it to check for updates.
[23:15] <StephenLynx> any info on that?
[23:16] <StephenLynx> i click the combobox, the options show, I pick one and it won't change anything.
[23:24] <aimatme> StephenLynx: Software and Updates > Updates > Automatically Check for Updates (select time)
[23:25] <StephenLynx> i know.
[23:25] <StephenLynx> it doesn't work.
[23:25] <StephenLynx> I pick a different one and it won't change.
[23:25] <StephenLynx> let me open it manually and try again, I reached it through the automatic update prompt.
[23:26] <akik> can somebody see if the ubuntu repo host ftp.estpak.ee is synced properly? i was getting some file not found errors
[23:26] <StephenLynx> yup. it doesn't change when I pick a different option aimatme
[23:27] <aimatme> StephenLynx: What do you mean it doesn't change? The drop down won't stay on "weekly"?
[23:28] <StephenLynx> correct.
[23:28] <StephenLynx> any of the comboboxes won't respond to what I pick.
[23:31] <StephenLynx> took a video aimatme https://drive.google.com/file/d/12xE2WGlERD-PABGEVjx1EmJosIeLcRz_/view?usp=share_link
[23:32] <StephenLynx> maybe it's a permission issue?
[23:33] <aimatme> StephenLynx, I see!
[23:33] <aimatme> that certainly looks like a permissions issue. do you have sudo permissions?
[23:36] <StephenLynx> yup, that was the issue. I had to run it as root.
[23:36] <StephenLynx> silent errors, I tell you.
[23:36] <StephenLynx> this was annoying because my mom got this laptop with 2 cores and those second line cpus
[23:36] <StephenLynx> and a hdd
[23:36] <StephenLynx> and she doesn't use it often.
[23:37] <StephenLynx> so everytime she goes to use it, it takes a long, long time to unchoke with the update checks.
[23:42] <aimatme> yeah that's strange
[23:42] <aimatme> I get a sudo prompt when I change mine
[23:42] <aimatme> It might be worth changing it to security updates only?
[23:45] <StephenLynx> nah
[23:45] <StephenLynx> if that laptop is hacked it wouldn't be an issue at all.
[23:46] <StephenLynx> which is not realistic anyway because it's only used at home
[23:48] <StephenLynx> to be fair this laptop has always been weird. I had to install one of those kmod drivers or something for wifi.
[23:48] <StephenLynx> because the hardware was not supported out of the box.


[00:18] <Lupine> Can someone triage this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/310750  We have gotten another confirmation
[00:19] <Lupine> Also, since this is more likely poppler, should I change that...even though evince is the frontend?
[00:19] <Lupine> I'm no developer, but from the look of the strace, it's SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault on /usr/lib/libpoppler.so.3
[00:20] <LimCore> hi
[00:21] <LimCore> *     hard  core 409600                 in  /etc/security/limits.conf
[00:21] <LimCore> and yet, after reboot:    ulimit   -a   core file size          (blocks, -c) 0     wtf
[00:23] <Lupine> Hello LimCore.  This channel isn't really for support, but more so for conversations about existing Ubuntu bugs found within Launchpad.
[00:23] <LimCore> well I suspect this could be a bug in ubuntu
[00:23] <Lupine> If you have a specific support need, you would probably have better luck in #ubuntu
[00:23] <nellery> tuxmaniac: Hi, could you test Bug 314136 using version 0.15.4-1 (the latest version), and confirm whether or not you are still able to reproduce the bug?
[00:24] <LimCore> Lupine: would be better if I could access it lol... hmm
[00:24] <Lupine> If you feel that it should be a bug, please open a bug report here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[00:24] <Hobbsee> LimCore: you got banned again?
[00:24] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[00:25] <LimCore> Hobbsee: no, I am banned still, which is incredibly long
[00:25] <LimCore> I do what google / ubuntu forums say, but it doesnt work
[00:25]  * Hobbsee notes that this channel isn't for support, even if you're banned in other channels
[00:26] <LimCore> I am discussing a bug. well ok I can just report it then, I think I did it correctly.
[00:36] <LimCore> there are related bug reports, but none about exact this problem. Ok, mine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/314222
[01:53] <duanedesign> bug #314212 is regarding the problems we have been having with "Report A Problem" returning a page not found message. However this bug gets a "Could Not Upload Report Data" Alert Dialog instead of the "Lost Something" page coming up in Launchpad, which is what I get. Could someone please look at this bug and help me determine if it is a duplicate of bug #311690. Thank You
[01:55] <Hobbsee> duanedesign: could you actually reproduce that bug?
[01:56] <duanedesign> No
[01:58] <Hobbsee> then why did you confirm it?
[01:58] <duanedesign> ya I realized that waws probally incorrect after I looked at his screen shot
[01:58] <Hobbsee> looks like a network error
[01:59] <duanedesign> ok I will change it
[01:59] <Hobbsee> but you should never just be randomly confirming bugs anyway, unless you can actually reproduce it
[01:59] <duanedesign> what if there is a duplicate
[01:59] <duanedesign> which there is not of this one.
[02:00] <duanedesign> My first thought was it was related to the Launchpad error, my bad
[02:01] <jmarsden|work> duanedesign: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Confirming   # has the rules for confirming bugs.
[02:01] <duanedesign> thank you
[02:01] <Hobbsee> (or if someone else can, yes)
[02:03] <duanedesign> Hobbsee:  thank you, I appreciate the input.:)
[03:03] <ToHellWithGA> bug 256905
[03:16] <duanedesign> bug #314237 and bug #314236 Could someone look at these, I belive they should be set to 'Wishlist'
[06:09] <dholbach> good morning
[06:10] <MTecknology> hi
[06:11] <dholbach> hi MTecknology
[14:51] <bddebian> Boo
[15:01] <BUGabundo_work> foo
[15:02] <BUGabundo_work> bah bddebian you sacared my pidgin
[15:02] <BUGabundo_work> and now its segfaulting!
[15:04] <bddebian> Doh :-(
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> 'gdb --args pidgin'ing now to see here
[15:05] <BUGabundo_work> some broken pipe!
[18:01] <LaserJock> who can see private bugs?
[18:04] <bdmurray> It depends on who is subscribed to the bug
[18:04] <LaserJock> oh?
[18:05] <LaserJock> if you're a bug supervisor can you?
[18:06] <bdmurray> Hmm, I'd check with the Launchpad people
[18:16] <hggdh> all: eeebotu will stop for 5 minutes for a system restart after applying security fixes
[18:16] <hggdh> going down now
[18:19] <hggdh> all eeebotu is back. And some say it takes a long time for Ubuntu to reboot...
[18:40] <reic> hello there, I could use some help triaging the following bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/295756
[18:41] <reic> *triaging / handle
[21:44] <alex_mayorga> I'm seeing a bunch of "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" but I see bug 66900 is invalid, should I file another?
[21:47] <Rocket2DMn> alex_mayorga, yeah file a new one, that bug report is old, the upstream report was closed when the problem seemed fixed for the hardware that the report was filed for
[21:48] <alex_mayorga> Rocket2DMn, can you help me file a useful bug?
[21:48] <Rocket2DMn> sure
[21:49] <Rocket2DMn> i wrote a thread on the forums a few weeks ago that is an introdution to filing good bug reports
[21:49] <Rocket2DMn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1011078
[21:49] <Rocket2DMn> that is a good place to start if you've never done bugs before
[21:50] <Rocket2DMn> if you are experiencing the error above, you will file your bug report against the package "linux" (no quotes)
[21:51] <bdmurray> Rocket2DMn: Do you mention using 'ubuntu-bug' in your post?
[21:51] <Rocket2DMn> bdmurray, no, i havent gotten to that yet, ive never actually used the utility
[21:52] <Rocket2DMn> /shame on me
[21:52] <alex_mayorga> dsmurray: is there a utility?
[21:53] <bdmurray> alex_mayorga: if you use 'ubuntu-bug linux' a lot of information will be gathered for you automatically
[21:53] <Rocket2DMn> bdmurray, ill test out ubuntu-bug and add some info about it to the post
[21:54] <bdmurray> Rocket2DMn: that'd be great!  ubuntu-bug exists in intrepid and later, however you can use 'apport-cli -f -p linux' in Hardy
[21:55] <Rocket2DMn> yeah i dont have intrepid on my primary machine, ill bust out the laptop sometime and give it a run, may not have time today
[21:55] <Rocket2DMn> got a beginners team meeting then ubuntu membership meeting :)
[21:56] <alex_mayorga> dbmurray: I used "ubuntu-bug -p linux" what do I put in the "body" of the report?
[21:59] <bdmurray> What you are seeing the APIC 0 error messages and when they happen
[21:59] <Rocket2DMn> is ubuntu-bug a graphical program or completely cli?
[21:59] <bdmurray> Rocket2DMn: completely cli but there isn't anything to it
[22:00] <alex_mayorga> OK, I've filed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/314530
[22:00] <Rocket2DMn> k, thats what i thought, i was just wondering how easy it was going to be for beginners unfamiliar with the terminal to copy/paste in errors and such
[22:00] <bdmurray> it opens a firefox tab and has uploaded log files etc
[22:01] <Rocket2DMn> ah, i see
[22:01] <bdmurray> looking at alex_mayorga's bug we can see dmesg, lspci, and many other things were added automatically
[22:02] <bdmurray> so it makes it easier for the reporter and for triagers
[22:02] <Rocket2DMn> didnt include dmidecode or the /proc/acpi stuff did it
[22:03] <Rocket2DMn> guess it cant include the former b/c it wasnt filed with sudo
[22:04] <alex_mayorga> I have 10 more minutes before I leave, please let me know what else is needed, I've added my BIOS info
[22:06] <Rocket2DMn> yeah ill start the triage for you
[22:07] <alex_mayorga> Rocket2DMn: thanks
[22:12] <Rocket2DMn> alex_mayorga, i added a comment to the report.  if you don't have time to do everything now, there is no rush.  Take care of it when you have time, I'll get an email update when you change or add anything to the report
[22:15] <alex_mayorga> can this be related to my AltGr key not working?
[22:15] <Rocket2DMn> not likely
[22:17] <alex_mayorga> I got permissions denied on the cp do I sudo?
[22:17] <Rocket2DMn> that is either a hardware problem with the KB (broken key), a wrong choice of KB layouts, or a problem with X not recognizing the kb layout
[22:17] <Rocket2DMn> yeah continue alex_mayorga
[22:17] <Rocket2DMn> stop
[22:17] <Rocket2DMn> dont sudo the cp command
[22:17] <alex_mayorga> OK
[22:17] <Rocket2DMn> just proceed with the tarballing command
[22:20] <alex_mayorga> added the two files, would try the hibernate latter on, thanks a lot
[22:20] <Rocket2DMn> no problem, ill finish the triage after you do that
[22:40] <hggdh> and Wachovia?
[22:41] <hggdh> darnitagain, wrong chat, sorry


[21:46] <thumper> waigani: morning
[21:46] <waigani> thumper: morning
[21:46] <thumper> waigani: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g7oraq255eaz4jgtkfbtptrcm4a?authuser=1&hl=en
[21:47] <waigani> thumper: I have to login with other account - 5min
[21:47] <thumper> waigani: I could just invite the other you
[21:48] <waigani> thumper: in
[21:48] <waigani> thumper: can't hear you?
[21:49] <thumper> ah, couldn't hear you either
[21:49] <waigani> thumper: I'm doing a restart hang on
[21:49] <thumper> ok
[23:22] <mwhudson> ubuntu@linaro-test:~$ juju version
[23:22] <mwhudson> 1.18.1-trusty-armhf
[23:22] <mwhudson> this is on a arm64 system
[23:24] <thumper> hm...
[23:26]  * mwhudson upgrades to 1.20
[23:28] <mwhudson> $ juju version
[23:28] <mwhudson> 1.20.0-trusty-arm64
[23:28] <mwhudson> ok that's better
[23:28] <thumper> mwhudson: what did you do?
[23:28] <mwhudson> deploying a local charm still doesn't work though
[23:28] <mwhudson> thumper: added the juju/stable ppa and updated
[23:28] <thumper> mwhudson: I've deployed local charms
[23:29] <mwhudson> i'm sure some people ahve :)
[23:29] <thumper> can you pastebin the directory layout and the command, and output?
[23:29] <mwhudson> thumper: are you in #juju?
[23:29] <thumper> yeah
[23:29] <mwhudson> scroll up a bit? :)
[23:45] <thumper> mwhudson: how is your git?
[23:45] <mwhudson> thumper: passable, fairly uneven
[23:46] <thumper> mwhudson: do you know how to merge changes from another branch but not the actual revisions?
[23:46] <thumper> bonus points for interactive merge
[23:46] <mwhudson> thumper: no
[23:46] <thumper> ok
[23:46]  * thumper does some git hunting
[23:46] <mwhudson> i guess you can do the merge and reset --soft the merge commit out?
[23:47] <mwhudson> or is it just reset
[23:47] <mwhudson> then commit the changes again
[23:47] <thumper> git merge --squash
[23:47] <thumper> this may be the heart of my new pipeline work
[23:47] <thumper> since I can't interactively merge
[23:48] <thumper> I think I'll merge everything
[23:48] <thumper> then revert some things
[23:48] <thumper> or stash
[23:48] <thumper> is git stash linked to a branch?


[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <iulian> Goooood morning dholbach.
[07:34] <dholbach> hi iulian!
[16:51] <bobweaver> Hello there I was just playing around with playonlinx when I noticed that a third of the programs will not install because it (play on linux version) Is too old. I am on 12.10  the version is 4.1.1 and I noticed on Play on linux's site that they are up to 4.1.8 so I installed 4.1.8  and this version is way better then the one in the ubuntu ppa I mean there is more features and way more tools. So I was thinking why does Ubuntu have such
[16:51] <bobweaver> a old versions ? And is there anything that I could do to update the repo to be 4.1.8 and not 4.1.1 ?
[16:51] <bobweaver> thanks for your time
[16:52] <cjwatson> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687207
[16:54] <bobweaver> cjwatson,  should I make debian package of 4.1.8 ?
[16:55] <bobweaver> I do not know How to work with debian though they where real real real real real mean to mean on there channels when I was 1st starting out so I do not know if I care to either
[16:56] <bobweaver> maybe someone can explain some stuff to me about there hosting and what not at UDS ?
[16:57] <bobweaver> would any one like to set up a appointment with me at UDS to explain there hosting and tools that they use ?
[17:33] <bobweaver> I have a question about debuild  I am so use to uploading my own packages that I have made from scratch that I do not know how to tell debuild not to include everything on upload, Example I always have ran  debuild -S -sa    what do I run to tell it that they source code is already uploaded and there is no reason to upload source code when running dput on the changes file
[17:37] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: we (Ubuntu) care about debian, so please don't write off debian too easily
[17:38] <tumbleweed> as I didn't see this myself, I have no idea about the specifics, but yes, happy to chat about it at UDS
[17:38] <bobweaver> tumbleweed,  I will not tumbleweed  I also care about debian a bunch and use it all the time and Love the freedoom that it gives , But I just had a hard time with the community
[17:38] <bobweaver> that is all
[17:38] <bobweaver> it happens you know
[17:38] <tumbleweed> of course
[17:39] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: as to your debuild question: -sa means include the orig tarball even if it doesn't think it needs to
[17:40] <bobweaver> I am also sure that they where not to impressed by me asking a bunch of question ;)
[17:40] <tumbleweed> usually you don't need to specifiy -sd or -sa, it should get it right
[17:40] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: being patient, respectful of others' time, and having a thick skin - all usually helps
[17:41] <bobweaver> but you are right I am not going to let a couple bad eggs ruin my omelet . maybe they where having a bad day, we all do
[17:42]  * bobweaver goes to medical cabinet and gets out vit B (think skin)
[17:42] <bobweaver> thick *
[17:43] <bobweaver> tumbleweed,  PM ? about meetup at UDS
[17:46] <tumbleweed> bobweaver: sure
[17:56] <cjwatson> bobweaver: #debian IRC is often not desperately representative of Debian.  It works much more by e-mail.
[17:56] <bobweaver> Thanks cjwatson  !
[17:56] <bobweaver> I will keep that in mind for the future
[17:58] <bobweaver> question: under the line Uploaders: in the debian dir can I have 2 people? example  Uploaders: Jose Doe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Jose Moe <josemoe@email>
[17:59] <bobweaver> in the control file sorry
[18:00] <cjwatson> Yes.  http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Uploaders
[18:02] <bobweaver> cjwatson, I was just reading that and was wondering what folded means ? in the line "The Uploaders field in debian/control can be folded."
[18:03] <cjwatson> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-controlsyntax defines that.
[18:06] <bobweaver> I see thanks again
[18:17] <bobweaver> I am sorry to ask another question but I can not seem to get this control file right. error is line 37: first block lacks a source field   Here is the control file http://paste.ubuntu.com/1228959/
[18:17] <bobweaver> thanks again for your time
[18:19] <jtaylor> bobweaver: why not use the existing package as a starting point?
[18:19] <jtaylor> bobweaver: in that control file you are mixing source and binary package
[18:22] <bobweaver> you mean that the stanza is not correct and there needs to be two ? I tried that like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1228973/ but it errors out on line 13 because of the white space
[18:22] <bobweaver> I m sorry I dont not follow
[18:22] <jtaylor> the first line should be Source:
[18:22] <jtaylor> and installed-size is no key
[18:22] <jtaylor> neither is Version
[18:23] <jtaylor> apt-get source playonlinux for a working control
[18:25] <bobweaver> Oh my I see what you are saying I am dumb sometimes line one neds to be Source not package
[18:35] <bobweaver> Sweet it worked
[18:35] <bobweaver> In the ppa ! https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+archive/beta
[23:00] <bobweaver> Hello there as some of you know I was playing with play on linux and updating the version. Well I am done now. And Fixed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687207    Now  I am wondering how to upload to debian so it will make its way to Ubuntu ?
[23:21] <cjwatson> bobweaver: You can't - you offer a patch to the Debian maintainers and they decide whether to accept it
[23:22] <cjwatson> bobweaver: However I noticed that you appeared to have repackaged playonlinux from scratch
[23:22] <cjwatson> That's not good
[23:22] <bobweaver> Yeah because the source upstream had changed
[23:22] <cjwatson> That's not a reason to repackage from scratch
[23:22] <bobweaver> I sould make it with the upstream tar ball ?
[23:23] <cjwatson> When you update a Debian (or Ubuntu) package to a new upstream version, you don't start from scratch and run dh_make against the upstream tarball
[23:23] <cjwatson> You update the existing packaging
[23:25] <cjwatson> You appear to have taken things like the changelog but thrown away most of the rest of the packaging
[23:26] <cjwatson> I'd actually suggest just leaving it to the Debian games team, TBH, as they likely know what they're doing here - they just said in the bug that they didn't want to bother with it until after wheezy's released
[23:27] <cjwatson> Ah, it looks like upstream has their own partial debian/ directory now, or something
[23:27] <cjwatson> We generally ignore those
[23:27] <bobweaver> cjwatson,  could you point me to a tutorial for that ? I know that it is a large subject . I guess what I am missing is . do I go to Git and grab upstream or apt-get source POL  then run a diff on that tarball and change the files and the debian stuff ?  Yeah I think that must of the stuff that was in the debian/*
[23:27] <cjwatson> Er, in general it is a creative task that involves knowing the package
[23:27] <bobweaver> was old and not needed
[23:28] <cjwatson> Things like uscan can help with the basics but the details of revision control and the like totally depend on the package and its maintainers
[23:28] <cjwatson> I don't have a tutorial for you


[18:03] <dwhitfie> sorry for the logoffs. Natty is being douchey
[18:36] <twopoint718> douglasawh: that's okay
[20:17] <elisa87> hi
[20:17] <elisa87> how much is the house rental in wisconsin madison per month(or per year)?
[20:26] <twopoint718> elisa87: it looks like they've answered in #wilug :)
[20:29] <elisa87> yeah
[20:29] <elisa87> thx twopoint718
[20:29] <elisa87> it's a good room
[20:30] <elisa87> i like the ppl at wisc
[20:30] <elisa87> they are warm
[20:54] <elisa87> anyone from wisc?