[00:16] <bizarro-paultag> classy as hell
[00:19] <aveilleux> Um, what
[03:17] <chris411> this working?
[03:17] <DarkwingDuck> It is chris411 what can we do for ya?
[03:17] <zkriesse> Hey DarkwingDuck congrats my Mann
[03:18] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks Zach... It got better too...
[03:18] <zkriesse> chris411: Whats the issue(s) you're having?
[03:18] <zkriesse> DarkwingDuck: What got better?
[03:18] <DarkwingDuck> zkriesse: see PM
[03:18] <chris411> I'm seeking some help with  Ubu getting stuck on the login srceen - I have seen its a recent common problem but unsure to use the terminal window commands
[03:19] <chris411> I had some help last night but had to log off as getting too late!
[03:20] <chris411> The person helped me create a backup of my home folder, but got stuck with creating 2 extra home folders somehow!
[03:22] <DarkwingDuck> So, when you login Ubuntu it freezes at the login screen?
[03:22] <chris411> can get into the "consul" at the graphical login screen...
[03:23] <chris411> no not freeze - "loops" after selecting user and pwd
[03:23] <DarkwingDuck> What happens when you type in the command startx ?
[03:23] <chris411> make sense?
[03:23] <chris411> hold on
[03:24] <aveilleux> chris411: sudo startx
[03:24] <DarkwingDuck> Gnome makes you use sudo?
[03:24] <chris411> yeh that might help
[03:25]  * DarkwingDuck mutters something about KDE
[03:25] <aveilleux> darkwingduck: of course you do O_O
[03:26] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[03:26] <aveilleux> I've never seen you able to startx without root permissions
[03:27] <chris411> whole bunch of error mssgs - inlc timeout in locking authority file - will try the command with sudo
[03:28] <chris411> same again
[03:30] <chris411> xauth created a new authority in /home/chris
[03:30] <DarkwingDuck> Who helped you last time and what did they have you do?
[03:31] <chris411> make /home/chris into chris.bak folder
[03:32] <chris411> create another /home/chris and used chown command but may have "muffed" this?
[03:32] <DarkwingDuck> This is 10.04 correct?
[03:33] <chris411> yes - however i have dual boot on grub menu - Xubuntu hpld first places
[03:34] <chris411> holds 1st few places
[03:35] <chris411> Xubuntu was installed after ubu 10.04 and stole first placement on th egrub table
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> YOu trying to log into Xubuntu or Gnome?
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> Ubuntu
[03:35] <chris411> Ubu 10.04
[03:36] <chris411> latest updates were installed for both then problem occured
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> Reboot it and when you get to the login screen hold there. Let me know when you get there.
[03:39] <chris411> ok at grub menu
[03:41] <chris411> at login screen for Ubu 10.04 latest kernal
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, look on the login screen where you can choose your Desktop Environment
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going from memory so, I'm not sure where it is exactly. If someone else can help me out with that.
[03:42] <aveilleux> Bottom-right
[03:43] <zkriesse> aveilleux: Good Jon
[03:43] <zkriesse> "job
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> thanks aveilleux
[03:43] <aveilleux> You're welcome o_O
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> chris411: Bottom right, select GNOME and try to log in.
[03:44] <chris411> sessions option N/a
[03:44]  * DarkwingDuck raises an eyebrow
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> zkriesse: You following this?
[03:45] <chris411> Universal access prefs?
[03:45] <zkriesse> Sort of why
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> Login problems and I'm stuck going from 2 year old memory using gnome
[03:46] <zkriesse> Ok so what's wrong chris411
[03:46] <chris411> bottom line is - langauge - keyboard - sessions - far right Uni Access but looks like stuff used for the blind!!
[03:47] <zkriesse> chris411: What error(s) are you having
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> Sessions
[03:47] <chris411> as i mention session not avail, down aarrow not active
[03:48] <zkriesse> Are you dualbooting two OS's or are you running
[03:49] <zkriesse> Ubuntu with a different DE along side GNOME
[03:49] <chris411> dual os - as I understand it
[03:50] <chris411> both OS give same result - login screen, select user ok key in pwd ok then login loops back to empty values
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> xubuntu and ubuntu
[03:50] <chris411> yes
[03:50] <zkriesse> Ok so did you install ubuntu and then stick In a different os disk and install that too?
[03:50] <chris411> yes
[03:50] <zkriesse> Or did you install Ubuntu and then install the XFCE DE
[03:52] <chris411> ohhh now ya asking, I had Ubu for a long time and updated, I wanted to test another version soo loaded Xu on diff parttion
[03:52] <zkriesse> Because if you installed them side by side the. You have to go in the boot menu to choose which os to boot into
[03:53] <chris411> the Xu stole 1st plce via install and I wanted to edit the grub menu, but never got to that point, since 10.04 used a new file and location i believe
[03:55] <chris411> last thing i was doinf was changing fonts on header bars in Ubu and rebooted and nothing was able to login, neither any prior kernal versions
[03:56] <zkriesse> Hmm
[03:56] <chris411> I burned a 10.04 onto disk - does that help reset anything or totally foul up my folders and data!!
[03:58] <acerimmer> chris411: burning an iso doesn't change your hdd
[03:58] <chris411> how about running it and reinstalling?
[03:59] <chris411> sorry thats what i ment
[03:59] <aveilleux> chris411: That'll overwrite everything o_O
[03:59] <acerimmer> chris411: backup your /home make sure you get the hidden folders as well.
[03:59] <acerimmer> unless you have a dedicated and separate /home it will get rewritten
[04:00] <chris411> eew
[04:00] <zkriesse> chris411: Back up your personal/pertinent data, reinstall ubuntu, and then do "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" without quotes
[04:00] <chris411> )-:
[04:00] <aveilleux> chris411: Well that's how it works
[04:00] <chris411> mm
[04:01] <zkriesse> That will install the xubuntu desktop environment on ubuntu so at startup you can choose between them
[04:01] <zkriesse> chris411: ^^
[04:01] <chris411> I would rather sacrifice Xubu
[04:02] <acerimmer> !panels
[04:02] <ubot2> To reset the gnome panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »
[04:05] <chris411> if I run the 10.04 on CD can I see my files in the existing 10.04?
[04:05] <aveilleux> chris411: Yes
[04:06] <chris411> then I couls have an option to off load to a flash or burn to a backup disk?
[04:07] <zkriesse> chris411: I believe so my friend
[04:08] <chris411> ok - (sigh - knowing how many files there are to BU)
[04:09] <chris411> havn a peek with Live CD - Thanks folks - enjoy the footy!
[04:32] <stlsaint> chrome holding out like a champ
[04:33] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Chrome or chromium?
[04:34]  * aveilleux is formerly Chesamo, stlsaint
[04:34] <stlsaint> aye
[04:34] <stlsaint> chrome
[04:35] <aveilleux> stlsaint: laaaaame.
[04:35]  * stlsaint is thinking of going back to his love......screen
[04:35]  * stlsaint uses his superior penguin senses to sense the hating illuminating off aveilleux
[04:36] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Chrome is Google-tained Chromium.
[04:36] <stlsaint> maybe so...but its MY google-tainted chromium browser of choice :P
[05:23] <stlsaint> IM BACK
[05:23] <aveilleux> :O
[05:23] <greenjon> wb stlsaint
[05:24] <stlsaint> thank you thank you
[05:26] <pedro3005> hey stlsaint
[05:35] <nfearnley> I'm trying to setup a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. They both pair correctly, connect and work. After they are disconnect, they won't reconnect unless I remove the pairing and re-pair them. What can I do to allow them to automatically reconnect?
[05:37] <stlsaint> nfearnley: i havent been an advent bluetooth user but i know there are some tools in repos for it
[08:48] <shahan> getting very slow internet speed on ubuntu using my wifi. but I was using for this for about one month. it was giving me an excellent support for last 1 month. but now.. what happened I dont know. Its very slow.... but in XP its working good....
[08:56] <leoquant> shahan, which version of ubuntu and which wifi encr. do you use? wep. wap or wpa2?
[08:57] <leoquant> did you get troubles after an update?
[08:57] <shahan> leoquant: lucid lynx... dont know about wep, wap or wpa2
[08:58] <shahan> leoquant: ya
[08:58] <leoquant> which update
[08:59] <leoquant> shahan, every wifi connection should be protected with wap or wpa2
[08:59] <shahan> leoquant: may be mysql client
[08:59] <leoquant> shahan, please go to the networkapplet, is you wifi visible?
[09:00] <leoquant> (rightclick
[09:01] <leoquant> your
[09:01] <shahan> leoquant: yes its visible
[09:01] <leoquant> is it "open"or "protected"?
[09:02] <leoquant> protected gives a lock
[09:02] <leoquant> (picture)
[09:03] <shahan> leoquant: there has no lock picture
[09:04] <leoquant> shahan, you should really protect your wifi, everyone could use your wifi connection now
[09:04] <shahan> leoquant: I have no further knowledge about wifi
[11:30] <Silver_Fox_> Hello mohi1
[11:49] <mohi1> heya Silver_Fox_ i was having my lunce =]
[11:49] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[11:50] <mohi1> how are ya Silver_Fox_?
[11:50] <Silver_Fox_> Tired mohi1 ,  very tired.
[11:50] <Silver_Fox_> How are you ?
[11:50] <mohi1> Silver_Fox_, same :D
[11:51] <mohi1> Silver_Fox_, how you became tired??
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> ~5 hours sleep in 48 hours
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> I am back in UK,  body clock is all wrong
[11:51] <mohi1> Silver_Fox_, i slept for 2 hours in the past three days
[11:51] <Silver_Fox_> Fun
[11:51] <mohi1> lol
[11:52] <mohi1> no
[11:52] <Silver_Fox_> Why ?
[11:52] <mohi1> was talking with my friend =]
[11:53] <mohi1> day1: A marriage. Day2: messed up in my native. Day3: chats =]
[11:53] <mohi1> Silver_Fox_, how was the trip?
[11:54] <Silver_Fox_> Long,  but it was worth going to US
[11:54] <hobgoblin> to come home and realise all is well
[11:55] <mohi1> hiya hobgoblin =]
[11:58] <mohi1> wb shahan. hows the download speed now?
[11:59] <shahan> mohi1: same as before
[11:59] <shahan> mohi1: I have installed the kernel ... just the previous version of the current
[12:00] <mohi1> hmmm Silver_Fox_ and hobgoblin. shahan had a certainly impossible problem. His WiFi slows down in Lucid, but good with windows
[12:00] <mohi1> works good*
[12:00] <shahan> mohi1: :(
[12:01] <hobgoblin> usual thing then - the windows drivers are built properly thr linux ones are built by people working in the dark
[12:01] <mohi1> hobgoblin, but it WiFi was working perfect before a week. now only it slowed down
[12:02] <hobgoblin> mohi1: no idea really about wifi
[12:02] <mohi1> hobgoblin, same here :(
[12:02] <Silver_Fox_> Wifi is iffy at best
[12:03] <hobgoblin> I would have a good search on the specific wifi hardware and chipset
[12:03] <Silver_Fox_> Chipset
[12:03] <hobgoblin> sorry - forgot the capital C
[12:03] <hobgoblin> ;)
[12:04] <Silver_Fox_> No worries ;)
[12:04] <mohi1> sILVER_fOX_
[12:34] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[12:38] <Silver_Fox_> o/
[12:39] <Silver_Fox_> How are you duanedesign
[12:42] <duanedesign> Silver_Fox_: good. I have a sick cat though :(
[12:42] <Silver_Fox_> Oh no,  whats wrong with it  ?
[12:43] <duanedesign> Silver_Fox_: she is sneezing a lot. If she doesn't get better or gets worse i'll have to take her to the vet
[12:45] <Silver_Fox_> :(
[12:45] <Silver_Fox_> BRB
[12:45] <duanedesign> kk
[12:54] <Silver_Fox_> Back duanedesign ,  sorry about that.  Since I got back to UK my phone hasn't stopped ringing
[12:54] <Silver_Fox_> I hope your cat gets better soon
[13:29] <duanedesign> Silver_Fox_: thank you
[13:30] <duanedesign> Silver_Fox_: where did go? you said 'back to the UK'? France again?
[13:30] <Silver_Fox_> No,  I was in USA for 3 weeks
[13:32] <Silver_Fox_> ^ duanedesign
[13:32] <duanedesign> oh the states, I hope it wasnt vacation, :)
[13:33] <Silver_Fox_> Mostly vacation,  but did have a little business to take care of aswell
[13:33] <Silver_Fox_> Had a good time and saw plenty of sights,  so thats the main thing
[13:34] <duanedesign> Silver_Fox_: where in the states?
[13:34] <Silver_Fox_> Quite happy at current sight,  basement cat curled up on the chair
[13:34] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[13:34] <Silver_Fox_> Missed him
[13:34] <duanedesign> i bet
[13:34] <duanedesign> 3 weeks would be awhile
[13:35] <Silver_Fox_> I was based in California
[13:35] <Silver_Fox_> Went into Arizona o'course
[13:35] <duanedesign> Silver_Fox_: so that was quite a flight
[13:35] <Silver_Fox_> And then also down into Mexico
[13:35] <Silver_Fox_> Yep,  long flight
[13:37] <Silver_Fox_> I think it was 10h on way back
[13:46] <duanedesign> good time to catch up on all that reading you have been meaning to do
[13:47] <Silver_Fox_> Well,  truth be told I slept
[13:47] <Silver_Fox_> Or at least tried to ;)
[13:47] <Silver_Fox_> I just sat in the chair with my eyes closed
[13:48] <Silver_Fox_> Didn't actually work
[13:48] <Silver_Fox_> LOL
[13:48] <duanedesign> Silver_Fox_: yeah pretty big time difference between West Coast and UK
[13:48] <Silver_Fox_> 8 HOURS
[13:51] <duanedesign> Im working on a blog post about interesting ways to use Ubuntu One.
[13:55] <duanedesign> so far i have: Create Your Own Browser Start Page, Don't Wait Until You Get Home to download a Torrent. Monitor your Desktop....
[13:55] <ikt> quitting ma job tomorrow
[13:55] <ikt> ohhh yeah
[13:55] <ikt> *starts to sing a happy song*
[13:55] <Silver_Fox_> Got a new one ikt  ?
[14:02] <ikt> nah but it would be easy as pie with my experience to get another one in a similar position
[14:07] <duanedesign> what is a command to get time?
[14:07] <duanedesign> more specifically, I want to add time to this:    import -frame -strip -quality 100 "$HOME/screenshots/$(date +%s).png"
[14:10] <duanedesign> ahhdate does return the time :)
[14:10] <Silver_Fox_> duanedesign,  date --help
[14:10] <Silver_Fox_> :)
[14:10] <Silver_Fox_> Don't know which format you want
[14:12] <Silver_Fox_> duanedesign,  http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/timedate.html
[14:12] <Silver_Fox_> Should help
[14:19] <paultag> duanedesign, date +"%s"
[14:20] <paultag> oh doh
[14:20] <paultag> sorry duanedesign, you did it right
[14:34] <Yos> what is the command to show which graphics card I have ?
[14:35] <duanedesign> hello Yos
[14:35] <Yos> hi duanedesign :)
[14:35] <Yos> good to see you
[14:36] <duanedesign> Yos: lspci | grep VGA
[14:36] <Yos> Thanks
[15:25] <duanedesign> /5/5
[15:26] <hobgoblin> some sort of time signature?
[15:26] <Silver_Fox_> date
[15:26] <Silver_Fox_> NO...time ?
[15:46] <switchgirl> trying to get the ubuntu webbook screen size to go to the size of the screen i have
[15:46] <switchgirl> eeepc 4g
[15:53] <ibuclaw> oh hey there switchgirl
[15:54] <ibuclaw> been a while, has it not?
[16:07] <switchgirl> yeah
[16:09] <Silver_Fox_> How are you doing?  Still working crazy hours ?
[16:13] <duanedesign> switchgirl: it is at a lower resolution than you are expecting?
[16:14] <switchgirl> umm tbph  its the windows not fitting
[16:14] <switchgirl> and wifi not working
[16:17]  * switchgirl hopes that America doesn't launch a nuclear war tonight when they get beat in the world cup
[16:18] <switchgirl> *by us (england
[16:23] <duanedesign> switchgirl: i think we are safe, no one in America will even realize they were beat.
[16:24] <duanedesign> switchgirl: did the Asus eeepc fixes page on the wiki help any?
[19:43] <switchgirl_> i used to live near Whitehaven http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehaven#History :) so.... it's been 300 years but umm we have scores to settle, this time on the football pitch.
[20:27] <ibuclaw> switchgirl_, we was robbed. :F
[20:28] <switchgirl_> ibuclaw, meh.... they are better than in '28
[20:31] <switchgirl_> how to ban a contact in empathy?
[20:31] <switchgirl_> block*
[20:32] <aveilleux> switchgirl_: you can't
[20:33] <switchgirl_> aveilleux, why not? i am facing harrasment
[20:33] <switchgirl_> i need to block them
[20:34] <aveilleux> switchgirl_: That program does not have the ability to Block. Use Pidgin if you need to Block.
[20:37] <switchgirl> why are ubuntu using it then?
[20:37] <aveilleux> switchgirl: I don't know. I don't like it either.
[20:38] <aveilleux> switchgirl: I made my own Ubuntu version just because of that ;-)
[20:38] <switchgirl> i think it breaks EU directives
[20:39] <aveilleux> switchgirl: What
[20:40] <switchgirl> not being able to block breaks a few eu directives - if it where commecial
[20:41] <switchgirl> ie eu law
[20:41] <aveilleux> switchgirl: http://ubuntu-minimal-desktop.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-umd.html  /shameless_self_promotion
[20:43] <stlsaint> aveilleux: are you josh peterson?
[20:44] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Negatory. My name is Anthony Veilleux.
[21:05] <ibuclaw> aveilleux, you use a script?
[21:05] <ibuclaw> ugh... >..>#
[21:05] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: ping
[21:06] <ibuclaw> aveilleux, while I'm not a fan of "script to install software for you", only thing I'll note is that you use aptitude
[21:06] <ibuclaw> which may be removed in 10.10 Desktop edition
[21:06] <ibuclaw> but kept in Server
[21:06] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, word up?
[21:07] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: i somehow jacked up my sudoers in a fedora vm and im not sure how to fix it?
[21:07] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, don't you have a root account in Fedora?
[21:08] <stlsaint> yes and usually i would just stick with it but i was trying to try and add my user account to it for giggles i guess since i usually just use root
[21:09] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, so you can't 'su root' ?
[21:10] <stlsaint> i can do everything as root but i cant sudo anything under my user account (stlsaint)
[21:10] <ibuclaw> visudo
[21:10] <aveilleux> ibuclaw, removing aptitude? Why?
[21:11] <ibuclaw> aveilleux, there's an abundance of tools for installing software, and aptitude is a bit of a "power-users" tool anyway.
[21:11] <aveilleux> ibuclaw: I know, that's why I use it
[21:12] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, you should use visudo to edit the sudoers file
[21:12] <stlsaint> yea i guess thats route im going to have to take
[21:12] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, it's the only route you _should_ take. ;)
[21:13] <ibuclaw> at the bottom of the file:
[21:13] <ibuclaw> stlsaint ALL=(ALL) ALL
[21:13] <ibuclaw> if it opens in vi, use :wq to save and quite
[21:13] <ibuclaw> visudo will then parse and check the file for errors
[21:14] <ibuclaw> all checked out, it then writes the file to /etc/sudoers
[21:16] <ZachK_> hello Commodore64
[21:23] <zkriesse> welcome cavalliloco
[21:23] <cavalliloco> ah, hi
[21:23] <zkriesse> cavalliloco: ask your question here so all may help
[21:23] <cavalliloco> well, story goes
[21:24] <cavalliloco> downloaded latest release of ubuntu
[21:24] <cavalliloco> on lenovo 3000 N200
[21:24] <cavalliloco> booted the cs
[21:24] <cavalliloco> cd
[21:24] <aveilleux> cacalliloco: One line, please
[21:24] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: do you know why a application would be installed but not be read by the OS?
[21:24] <cavalliloco> hi, I can not install ubuntu on my lenovo 3000 n200, phyton (installer included) throws exceptions, can anyone help or direct me to proper channel?
[21:25] <stlsaint> cavalliloco: what error are you getting thats preventing you from installing?
[21:26] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, what do you mean?
[21:26] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: im going to post screenshot
[21:26] <cavalliloco> stlsaint: when I run the installer with -v I get some strane errors from final AB something module
[21:28] <cavalliloco> stlsaint: did google it, and just got some simillar errors, not same, with patch for python itself that just adds exception handeling
[21:29] <zkriesse> sorry
[21:29] <zkriesse> internet cut out on me
[21:30] <cavalliloco> stlsaint: apart from installer, I've tried also to run sudoku (python as well) with no luck, just exception on different module and different include line (I believe it was os, but not sure)
[21:31] <aveilleux> cavalliloco: Have you tried the ncurses (alternate) installer?
[21:32] <Commodore64> ZachK_ hello
[21:32] <cavalliloco> aveilleux: ehm no, but, even If I install it, I still need workging python to use it
[21:32] <Commodore64> zkriesse: hello
[21:33] <zkriesse> Commodore64: And how are you today/what brings ya here?
[21:33] <Commodore64> Linux of course brings me here
[21:33] <aveilleux> cavalliloco: Yes but getting Ubuntu running should be a priority
[21:34] <cavalliloco> aveilleux: is d-i python?
[21:34] <aveilleux> cavalliloco: I have no idea
[21:35] <cavalliloco> aveilleux: k, thanks, I'll try, and come back here if all else fails
[21:35] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/232/parallelserror.png
[21:36] <zkriesse> Commodore64: Cool....looking to join any teams?
[21:36] <Commodore64> zkriesse: soccer team ? ^^
[21:37] <zkriesse> Commodore64: Ubuntu Teams
[21:39] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, oh... lol
[21:39] <ibuclaw> kernel sources is not the name of the package =)
[21:39] <Commodore64> zkriesse: what are the goals of Ubuntu Teams ?
[21:40] <stlsaint> ?
[21:40] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, is it yum install kernel-sourcecode ?
[21:40] <zkriesse> Commodore64: Well All of the teams try to promote and advocate the Ubuntu Mission
[21:40] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: is it kernel-devel?
[21:40] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: oh sourcescode?
[21:41] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: i will try
[21:41] <zkriesse> Commodore64: but there are many different teams which have a different mission such as the Ubuntu Beginners Team (This Channel)
[21:41] <ibuclaw> am no ood with fedora package names =)
[21:41] <ibuclaw> *good
[21:43] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: nope, no sourcecode package
[21:44] <stlsaint> ibuclaw: i know that there is a source-devel package but that didnt install the package needed
[21:45] <Commodore64> zkriesse: I'm from France, and my english is not so fluent I guess
[21:45] <ibuclaw> stlsaint, perhaps it is kernel-devel then...
[21:45] <zkriesse> Commodore64: well what do you mean?
[21:45] <zkriesse> Commodore64: you haven't asked much
[21:46] <ibuclaw> I need to dash off anyway
[21:46] <zkriesse> Commodore64: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[21:46] <zkriesse> Commodore64: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[21:47] <Commodore64> zkriesse: I have to think about it....it is a good project
[21:55] <zkriesse> heya paultag
[21:55] <paultag> heyya zkriesse
[21:56] <paultag> zkriesse, love the new nick
[21:56] <zkriesse> paultag: still talking about that eh?
[21:56] <zkriesse> paultag: jezsh
[21:56] <paultag> zkriesse, hey man, looks a lot better
[21:56] <zkriesse> paultag: ok
[21:56] <paultag> zkriesse, anywho
[21:56]  * zkriesse will be back soon
[21:56] <paultag> zkriesse, how's things
[21:56] <paultag> zkriesse, kk, cheers
[23:01] <yvan300> paultag, sorry, can i come back?
[23:03] <paultag> stlsaint, come backkk
[23:21] <stlsaint> paultag: LOL....YOU KICKED ME!!!! :p
[23:21] <paultag> heh
[23:21] <paultag> hell yeah I did stlsaint
[23:21] <stlsaint> i didnt even know it!!! WHERE IS MOHI!!
[23:21] <paultag> he left stlsaint
[23:21] <paultag> stlsaint, he knew the hell that you would have gave him
[23:23] <stlsaint> see i tried to let mohi off for awhile without bashing him but i see he wants some more! >:)
[23:35] <ekseniks> Hi guys
[23:36] <aveilleux> Hello ekseniks
[23:36] <ekseniks> I'm running 10.04 and i need help stopping X server so i can install nvidia drivers
[23:36] <aveilleux> ekseniks: Reboot into "failsafe mode"
[23:36] <aveilleux> Er
[23:37] <ekseniks> hehe.. umm.. how :)
[23:37] <aveilleux> ekseniks: get to the GRUB prompt, THEN failsafe. not GNOME failsafe.
[23:37] <aveilleux> ekseniks: I believe if you mash Spacebar while the computer's loading, the GRUB prompt will show up. Someone confirm for me?
[23:37] <paultag> not with grub 2 aveilleux
[23:37] <paultag> ekseniks, ctrl + alt + f1 ( don't do it yet )
[23:38] <paultag> ekseniks, log in as your administrative user, and run sudo stop gdm
[23:38] <paultag> ekseniks, then when you want to bring it back in, sudo start gdm
[23:38] <paultag> ekseniks, beware! if you use wifi, you won't have nm-applet
[23:38] <paultag> ekseniks, you should be able to install the driver, run nvidia-xconfig and do a restart on gdm
[23:38] <ekseniks> ah yes.. i did that earlier but it says something about gdm being upstart? and fails
[23:39] <paultag> ekseniks, yeah, that's sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[23:39] <paultag> ekseniks, upstart is using start / stop / restart script
[23:39] <paultag> ekseniks, and it should not fail
[23:39] <paultag> ekseniks, the rc.d script should call "restart" "start" or "stop"
[23:40] <paultag> ekseniks, anywho, you can do it with gdm / x online and config x11 after you install the module
[23:40] <ekseniks> ah ok.. i'll give it a shot... thanks guys!
[23:40] <paultag> ekseniks, sure thing, good luck!
[23:52] <drubin> paultag: last tweet was insane
[23:52] <paultag> drubin, source: collinp
[23:52] <collinp> Hm?
[23:52] <paultag> drubin, fucking _insane_!!! mirite?!!
[23:52] <paultag> collinp, I tweeted unreal ircd
[23:52] <collinp> Ah.
[23:52] <drubin> wow collinp you are like the local awesome news server
[23:52]  * drubin keeps finding collinp's tweets
[23:52] <drubin> and not giving him credit
[23:52] <drubin> collinp: sorry about that
[23:53] <collinp> Luckily, my UnrealIRCd was ran in a completely walled-off account, so it's unlikely anyone could plant something on my server.
[23:54] <collinp> For the rest of the idiots out there that didn't do that, you had might as well reinstall your system.
[23:55] <drubin> collinp: +1
[23:55] <drubin> if your system was comprismed or you think it was take it off line!
[23:56] <drubin> turn it off.


[03:45] <artfwo> приветищще
[03:45] <artfwo> oops, wrong channel
[03:45] <artfwo> sorry!
[04:43] <troy_s> vish:  Come to life.
[13:01] <coz_> kwwii,  is it possible to get the new font for testing?
[13:13] <thorwil> coz_: it's still only for ubuntu members, but a release early this month has been mentioned
[13:13] <coz_> thorwil,  ok I got the member ppa already
[13:22] <coz_> mm interesing...this is nearly if not identical to the non free Xenu regular font by ray larabie
[13:25] <thorwil> coz_: that has been brought up before. there are actually several fonts with similar characteristics. i think one of the Maags said that the ubuntu font has a different rhythm
[13:25] <coz_> thorwil,   mmm i will test it and see ... but so far I see no difference
[13:25] <coz_> kerning seems to be the same
[13:26] <coz_> but  I just got it so I will take time to test
[13:26] <thorwil> coz_: do an overlay
[13:26] <coz_> thorwil,  ah yes I can go that   :)
[13:26] <coz_> I am not complaining... i know I wouldnt want to create a font from scratch
[13:26] <coz_> PITA
[13:31] <coz_> ah yes it is wider spacing for sure
[13:57] <coz_> I didnt get the email for testing though ...no biggie
[14:35] <kwwii> thorwil: everyone on this team can now join the font beta test afaik
[14:44] <thorwil> kwwii: now that you say that, i recall seeing the invitation-accepted email for the team
[14:51] <kwwii> ;-)
[14:51] <kwwii> oh well, I am off for a bit...bbl
[19:44] <knome> that was one nasty awaynick ;)
[19:45] <thorwil> and i must have missed it
[19:45] <knome> 20:57 » iainfarrell is now known as iainfarrell-afk-
[19:45] <knome> 21:07 » iainfarrell-afk- is now known as iainfarrell
[19:45] <thorwil> good evening, knome
[19:46] <knome> hello, thorwil :)
[19:49] <knome> boot, brb
[19:51] <knome> <-


[06:54] <CrazyTux> hello.. I am told that I am banned in #ubuntu channel. Please guide me in getting the ban removed.
[06:56] <CrazyTux> I am using Ubuntu on multiple computers. I sometimes get some bugs. I can't seek help on #ubuntu because of that ban.
[06:56] <CrazyTux> please lift that ban.
[23:49] <bazhang> yankdownunder just wants to give a 500 word essay instead of actual succinct ubuntu support


 @Eickmeyer Hello, can you tell me, which PlugIns are included in your personal PPA on Launchpad?!
[14:33] <OvenWerks> @Rogman: Actually it would be easiest to just go and look...
[16:54] <Eickmeyer> @Rogman: My personal PPA is for packaging only, please don't use it. If I have stuff in my personal PPA, it's because I'm working on moving it to Ubuntu's repos and/or the backports PPA.
[16:54] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports


[15:41] <alan_g> kdub: are you planning a 23.1 release? (I'd find it really convenient if we could cherry-pick lp:~alan-griffiths/mir/fix-1583536 if it lands in time.)
[15:48] <kdub> alan_g, sure


[04:25] <mup> PR snapd#13143 closed: daemon: allow snaps to get snap metadata <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by robert-ancell> <Closed by robert-ancell> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13143>
[06:55] <mup> PR snapd#13139 closed: t/n/m/fde-on-classic: do not check for default EFI boot loader (shim) <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13139>
[07:31] <mup> PR snapd#13053 closed: steam_support: allow media, mnt, run/media, opt, and srv <Squash-merge> <Created by ashuntu> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13053>
[08:41] <mup> PR snapd#13085 closed: i/b/bool-file: Allow configuring trigger, delay_on and delay_off fiel… <Created by bugraaydogar> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13085>
[09:41] <mup> PR snapd#13144 opened: osutil/kcmdline: provide marshalers for ArgumentPattern <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13144>
[10:52] <mup> PR snapd#13145 opened: Apply new home directory rules to data copy <Created by ghadi-rahme> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13145>
[12:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#4343 opened: feat(remote-build): check base before executing remote build <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4343>
[12:12] <mup> PR snapd#13146 opened: overlord/devicestate: keep state unlocked when making system runnable <Test Robustness> <Run nested> <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13146>
[12:21] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4316 opened: Legacy (?) builds may result in inconsistent version being set <Bug> <Needs Information> <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4316>
[13:33] <mup> PR snapd#13134 closed: o/restart: support for restart boundaries <Needs Samuele review> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13134>
[15:07] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4344 opened: Treat the gadget.yaml like other snap meta files <Enhancement> <Created by dilyn-corner> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4344>
[16:37] <mup> PR snapcraft#4337 closed: fix(legacy): export sources method to local plugins <hotfix> <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4337>
[17:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#4345 opened: chore: remove unused list_registered legacy code <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4345>
[19:40] <mup> PR snapd#13147 opened: asserts/model: test serial-authority field with wildcard <Created by atomcult> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13147>
[20:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#4346 opened: fix: reprime for try <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4346>
[20:12] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4296 closed: Make 'price' field optional (or remove it) <Enhancement> <Created by SuperAlpaca27> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4296>
[20:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#4345 closed: chore: remove unused list_registered legacy code <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4345>


[00:08] <toddc> ps aux | grep snap/snap-store
[00:32] <lolok> a 'terminate running snaps' button maybe good... if only to give the error: can not self terminate
[01:27] <donofrio> ok I must be missing something I installed openjdk-17 but I'm unable to use java from edge/firefox to download websphere and install it on my ubuntu box (aka the ibm download director - java tool) will not start ;(
[01:30] <sarnold> is installing a JDK alone enough to use java applets from browsers? I sort of assumed they'd require a plugin of their own
[01:30] <rbox> i thoguth firefox hasn't supported java appletse in like 20 years
[01:30] <sarnold> and what with the old plugin architecture being thrown away a few years ago, I further assumed that you just wouldn't use java on a browser from the last five years or something
[01:30] <donofrio> I tried in edge and no joy
[01:30] <donofrio> this is for ibm websphere for context
[01:46] <plt2> Does the developers of exim4, sendmail or postfix ect.. hang around in this channel?
[01:46] <sarnold> no
[01:47] <plt2> I wonder if they every go any of the c conferences?
[01:47] <plt2> ok bbl
[01:47] <sarnold> I bet some of them do attend the occasional conference, but I'd be a bit surprised if it's for C specifically
[01:48] <plt2> I need to talk to them including the developer of fail2ban
[01:49] <plt2> For me back to work.
[02:09] <BlossmingTinkaWi> hi@all
[02:10] <sarnold> hi BlossmingTinkaWi
[02:11] <BlossmingTinkaWi> nice
[02:11] <BlossmingTinkaWi> german?
[02:11] <sarnold> nein
[02:12] <BlossmingTinkaWi> lol
[02:12] <BlossmingTinkaWi> ich war mir erst nicht sicher ob dieser chat klappt
[02:12] <BlossmingTinkaWi> wo findet man den server liesten oder so
[02:14] <sarnold> depending upon who is around, what questions have been asked, etc, it can get moderately busy
[02:14] <sarnold> it's not like ten years ago, but IRC isn't as dead as people keep saying
[02:15] <BlossmingTinkaWi> @sarnold pls wait a min my english ist to bad
[02:17] <BlossmingTinkaWi> oki this make ne funny
[02:20] <sarnold> BlossmingTinkaWi: jetzt ich geh weg; bzw man immer mag nur englisch auf diese kanal -- mit deutsch kann man reden auf #ubuntu-de -- schoenen abend :)
[02:21] <sarnold> tschuess
[04:22] <devslash> I installed the xorg desktop in Ubuntu to test something that needs a UI but I am done with that. I did apt purge xserver-xorg-common to get rid of x org but it still boots to a desktop login window
[04:22] <devslash> are there any other packages that i need to install ?
[04:22] <devslash> uninstall
[04:24] <alkisg> devslash: check /var/log/apt/history.log for the packages that you installed
[04:25] <devslash> once I enter my login credentials, it boots to a static blue screen
[04:25] <devslash> ok
[04:26] <babble> hey all: is there a way to set per-window view preferences for a couple of Nautilus windows in Gnome 4x? I'd like to have a pair of windows, one narrow enough for the sidebar to collapse, and the other wider, with the sidebar visible, so I can put them side by side.
[04:27] <devslash> i dont see any useful info in that path
[04:27] <alkisg> devslash: pastebin that file if you need help with it
[04:28] <devslash> i made this change recently. within the last few weeks
[04:28] <devslash> i only have 1 history.log for that time period
[04:29] <alkisg> If you want help, pastebin its contents
[04:29] <devslash> but i dont see any references to another package called rustdesk that i was testing that made install the desktop
[04:29] <alkisg> If it's been rotated, it would be in history.log.1
[04:29] <alkisg> And then they go to history.log.X.gz
[04:35] <devslash> one sec I am gonna paste the link
[04:40] <devslash> elks https://paste.ofcode.org/3bG6rVB5m5ZLnK2baa6hnKT
[04:41] <devslash> like I said, it boots to a login screen (which I dont want) and if you login in, it shows a blank blue background
[04:43] <devslash> alkisg this is the previous history.log: https://paste.ofcode.org/cDmT8s5eZXqfNFzTLMUrff
[04:43] <alkisg> devslash: see lines 14 and 22
[04:43] <devslash> right
[04:44] <alkisg> When you installed ubuntu-desktop, you installed a whole lot of packages. These are the ones you want to uninstall
[04:44] <devslash> I purged those packages
[04:44] <devslash> I removed ubuntu-desktop already
[04:44] <alkisg> So create a huge apt purge command with all those 100 packages in it
[04:44] <alkisg> That's a metapackage
[04:44] <alkisg> It won't remove all its dependencies
[04:44] <devslash> which packages
[04:44] <devslash> on what line'
[04:44] <alkisg> See lines 16, 17, 18, 24, 25, 26
[04:45] <alkisg> Get the names of all 100 packages in these lines, and put them in a big apt purge command
[04:45] <devslash> I have to type them all manually
[04:45] <alkisg> No, you can copy/paste them and remove the extra cruft like commas
[04:46] <babble> or you can use a redirect and a shell expansion to bring them in from a text file.
[04:46] <babble> like: sudo apt purge `< path/to/apt-packages.txt`
[04:46] <devslash> on line 16 it mentions libvulcan1 i did apr purge libvulcan1 but it says not installed
[04:46] <devslash> I just wanted to make sure that thats right
[04:47] <devslash> as far as ubuntu thinking i have them installed but it says I dont have libvulcan1 installed
[04:47] <alkisg> devslash: for example the apt purge command for the first installation that you did is: https://paste.debian.net/1286295/
[04:47] <alkisg> Better see the raw version at https://paste.debian.net/plain/1286295
[04:48] <alkisg> When you ran apt autoremove at line 42 it removed SOME packages, but not all of them
[04:48] <alkisg> So now you want to purge all of them
[04:49] <alkisg> This is because when you install package A, and it automatically pulls B and C, and then you purge A and you autoremove, it will e.g. also remove B if no other package in your system recommends it, but it will keep C if any other package in your system does recommend it
[04:50] <alkisg> So "install a metapackage, remove a metapackage and run apt autoremove" is NOT the correct way to remove what you installed
[04:50] <devslash> ok thanks
[04:52] <devslash> alkisg thank you that fixed the issue for me
[04:52] <alkisg> And the apt purge command that corresponds to your apt install ubuntu-desktop, is: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1286298
[04:53] <alkisg> devslash: I guess you only run the first command; you also need the second one
[04:54] <devslash> I'm running both
[04:55] <devslash> I want nothing to do with XOrg on my server
[04:55] <alkisg> It's best to take snapshots before doing such things. Or use a VM and revert to last snapshot.
[04:55] <devslash> well my server is not a vm
[04:55] <devslash> thanks
[06:55] <darwin> if I was able to install and reboo but then the EXT4 partition has a problem mounting, but it's on a PC with hardware from 2011 (SSD not that old though) does that mean the SSD is bad or the hardware is starting to have some incompatibility?
[06:56] <darwin> 'reboot'
[06:58] <weedmic> darwin: when you run some basic smart utilites on the ssd, did it look within parameters?
[07:03] <weedmic> in your /etc/fstab, did you list drives by UUID?  - and "problem mounting" what was the actual stdout?  - i suppose, I mean to say this is the order I should check:  review the error message, ensure correct /etc/fstab entry, check smart, run fsck, review report.
[07:04] <weedmic> ext4 is pretty much the most stable fs yet.
[07:09] <darwin> what smart utilities should I use?  I didn't do anything to fstab so it is as default was.  I will try to reboot and see the exact error
[07:13] <morno88> Hello i am setting up ubuntu core with ubuntu frame that displays a website but what we are missing is a refresh button anyone know if a refresh button is avalible for ubuntu frame with wpe-webkit-mir-kiosk?
[07:14] <plt2> Has anyone tried using the fail2ban report module?
[07:15] <plt2> My server is large and has plenty of resources to send out 50,000 abuse complaints per day
[07:16] <darwin> the error was: end kernel panic--not syncinc: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[07:16] <darwin> syncing
[07:16] <plt2> That does not sound good.
[07:17] <plt2> Time to pull out xojo and write a abuse reporter.
[07:18] <dabbler> darwin: do you have a live ISO?
[07:18] <darwin> i have one or can get one
[07:19] <dabbler> if you can get a desktop environment, gsmartcontrol is the most user-friendly way to check SMART params. otherwise, if stuck with a terminal, i think the underlying util is smartctl
[07:20] <darwin> i'm not the type of user/programmer who thinks having a terminal is 'stuck'
[07:20] <darwin> thanks; I will see if I can run gsmartcontrol or smartctl
[07:23] <dabbler> haha ok. np
[07:40] <weedmic> darwin: I'm about to paste some basic smart commands, but I did not get the term "stuck" - is that a comment on how you view terminal - or terminal is not functioning?
[07:41] <weedmic> first thing I normally do is just to see how much use the media had "smartctl -all /dev/sda | grep Power_On_Hours" - then I run a short test "sudo smartctl --test=short/dev/sda"
[07:41] <darwin> dabbler said 'if stuck with a terminal' but I don't think like that.  I started with UNIX and strictly UNIX-like (the only other being Slackware) for my own PC; what I was asking about is for a user's PC I administer
[07:42] <weedmic> sorry, that is way to english for me - "stuck" means you live or hate terminal?
[07:42] <darwin> ask dabbler what he meant
[07:43] <darwin> sounds like he meant he doesn't think terminal is as good as GUI, which I don't agree with
[07:43] <weedmic> oic - dabbler - what does stuck mean the usage you above used?
[07:43] <weedmic> oic - my view on that is "give me konsole or give me death" <(")
[07:43] <weedmic> for a complete detailed report "smartctl -x /dev/sda"
[07:43] <darwin> :)
[07:44] <weedmic> but... most of that is not so useful (to me)
[07:44] <weedmic> 20tb drive is now less than 400 euro - everything is basically free to replace at will
[07:45] <zeebra> dumb
[08:02] <dabbler> weedmic: by "stuck with" I just meant "having no alternative to". I had no idea how much or little experience with Linux they had.
[08:17] <darwin> it said power on hours: old age: 11919
[08:18] <darwin> but that doesn't sound old.  That's under a year and a half
[08:22] <weedmic> tks darwin
[08:27] <bob_x2> what package contains mkfs.vfat tool on ubuntu ?
[08:30] <darwin> the smartctl short test passed with zero errors.  I don't think it's the SSD rather than something about the hardware design is from 12+ years ago (even though the system-/logic-/main-/mother-board was a new replacement just maybe five years old and the CPU is newer also)
[08:31] <weedmic> darwin: concur="I don't think it's the SSD"
[08:33] <weedmic> darwin: kernel panic can be tough.  mostly b/c of the panic, often what caused it cannot/is not written down.  but, sometimes, it a clue is written down.  you should examine the logs the last few minutes before the kernel panic.  if you are lucky, maybe it was a process (software) - which cna be adjusted.
[08:36] <darwin> well I can't get logs, because it doesn't boot
[08:37] <EriC^^> darwin: what happens if you try to mount the fs from a live usb?
[08:37] <EriC^^> darwin: did you try booting using the original kernel? maybe the kernel it installed during installation/update isnt working right
[08:37] <darwin> i guess I could do that.  Of course
[08:38] <darwin> there was no update
[08:38] <EriC^^> if you get grub then i guess the fs isnt damaged if you have just 1 partition, so maybe the kernel just has a problem
[08:38] <EriC^^> hmm
[08:38] <EriC^^> are you sure? nothing in advanced options in grub?
[08:38] <darwin> yes, I get GRUB, then starts to boot, then kernel panic
[08:39] <darwin> i will check.  So maybe I can mount the partition and get logs?
[08:40] <darwin> this has happened two or three times, installing from two or three live ISOs, actually, which I guess the kernel updated later.  That's why I don't think it's a kernel rather than something programmed wrong for old hardware now (okay, maybe in newer kernels, but I don't know if it occurs with other GNU/Linux)
[08:41] <EriC^^> well yeah mount the partition, look for /var/log/syslog or /var/log/boot.log, but i doubt there will be anything, it sounds like its having trouble mounting the fs in the initrd stage
[08:42] <EriC^^> worth a try though, i'd see if there's a previous kernel in the advanced options in grub
[08:43] <EriC^^> darwin: can you pastebin the results of "ls -l /boot" after mounting the fs? maybe you're missing some files there
[08:43] <weedmic> darwin: you can boot with a live linux and have access to the logs - still reading above
[08:43] <darwin> i doubt there's an older one because I usually installed it the day I downloaded or after
[08:44] <EriC^^> darwin: during the installation it will install a new kernel if the machine is hooked up to the internet
[08:45] <EriC^^> my money's on bad kernel/initrd
[08:45] <weedmic> if it works with live linux, but not when booting regular, it is not hardware (since you checked the sdd for errors already).  which is a good thing.  meaning it can be fixed/reaplced.
[08:46] <weedmic> generally for me, once I know it isn't hardware, i think - is this machine worth more than 30 mins work - or 18 mins to start over w a new install an dpartition wipes.
[09:05] <darwin> thanks for the help, everyone, like for the testing.  I solved it.  It was a newer bad kernel or maybe hadn't finished making the initrd.  An older one booted fine (thanks EriC^^).
[09:06] <darwin> i prefer to avoid having an initrd at all
[09:11] <PvtJoker> I need to add a CIFS mount to boot. Where is the file I edit to do this please?
[09:27] <tomreyn> PvtJoker: /etc/fstab
[09:27] <PvtJoker> thanks tomreyn
[09:56] <stenno> good day, the 22.04 LTS server installer seems to be broken. After installation, it now tried to update via 'unattended-upgrades'. I pressed 'cancel update and reboot' button, but it still just continues the update? there is a grayed out [Rebooting...] button now, but the log just continues to unpack and setting up packages
[09:56] <stenno> i cannot shut down my virtual machine because it is reported to be 'buxy'
[09:57] <stenno> busy
[09:57] <stenno> is my only way to handle this just to force-quit the virtual machine, then immediately disable 'unattended-upgrades' ?
[10:00] <tomreyn> unattended-upgrades has no GUI, where did you "pressed 'cancel update and reboot' button"?
[10:00] <stenno> tomreyn: in the installer
[10:00] <tomreyn> you wrote "after installation", though?
[10:01] <stenno> well it tells me 'Installation complete!' in the orange header bar
[10:02] <tomreyn> i don't think unattended-upgrades would run against the target system while you're still running the installer
[10:02] <stenno> well it does
[10:02] <stenno> it is the last thing that it is doing
[10:02] <stenno> making screenshots
[10:03] <stenno> oh now its done
[10:03] <stenno> great
[10:04] <tomreyn> so this is the "install updates after installation" (or similar) option you can choose earlier in the installation process, i guess? i didn't know that was implemented through unattended-upgrades. but i guess that's not a bad way to do it, if so.
[10:04] <stenno> it would not be a bad way if i just could have cancelled it
[10:05] <stenno> however, the 'cancel upgrade and reboot' button did nothing
[10:05] <stenno> https://i.imgur.com/EA4dEUY.png this was what i was staring at for about 20 minutes https://i.imgur.com/EA4dEUY.png
[10:05] <stenno> sorry for the double link
[10:06] <weedmic> darwin - nice to hear it is fixed.
[10:06] <stenno> minus the two last lines, apparently it continued right when i took the screen shot
[10:07] <tomreyn> maybe you hit a very slow mirror server there.
[10:08] <stenno> what does a slow mirror have to do with aborting the update?
[10:08] <stenno> does aborting still entail downloading all the stuff? i would have thought that 'aborting' just cancels and rollbacks the update process
[10:08] <tomreyn> if it's a blocking task, that would prevent the update mechanism from quitting
[10:09] <tomreyn> i don't think it would cancel in-progress downloads
[10:09] <stenno> i could see it in the 'full log', it was constantly preparign and unpackign new packages
[10:09] <stenno> its not that the install log just stalled
[10:09] <weedmic> I generally research every update for possible problems it would introduce, so don't use unattended anything.  I found this though, stenno, which may help you - it lists a lot of options - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates
[10:11] <stenno> i missed the installer configuration option where i can actually set this.
[10:11] <weedmic> it's probably graphical and checked by default :D
[10:11] <tomreyn> i'm not sure it exists on the server installer, it did on the old desktop installer.
[10:12] <belst> hi, weird question. I have some sql queries in .sql files and use sqlx::query_file_as! macro quite a bit. now I wanted to have a small query where I use one of the files as subquery, I tried using `concat!("sth", include_str!("query.sql"), "more sth")` but ofc that doesnt work because the sqlx::query! macro expects a string literal. is there any workaround other then using the dynamic runtime
[10:12] <belst> function isntead of the macro?
[10:12] <stenno> so i have no choice of actually setting it in the installer, so i just have to be really patient because the 'cancel update' button doesn't work, or force-quit the VM and disable unattented upgrade
[10:12] <tomreyn> you could provide feedback in #ubuntu-server, which may or may not be seen by someone who might be involved in development, or, better yet, file a bug report.
[10:13] <belst> oops wrong channel. sry. mobile inet, weechat updated too slowly :(
[10:13] <stenno> oh, i didn't know ubuntu-server had a distinct channel
[10:17] <tomreyn> stenno: you might be better off using cloud images by the way, if it's for use in VM guests.
[10:17] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/cloud-images/introduction
[10:25] <stenno> hmm could it be because i only have 10GB of disk space? But the minimum recommendation is only 2.5 gb
[10:25] <tomreyn> no, it won't be that
[10:26] <tomreyn> i still think you hit a slow mirror server
[10:27] <tomreyn> (or a bad router somewhere along the network route)
[10:31] <stenno> tomreyn: but just again to clarify - it wasn't stuck downloading a package or anything. it was just constantly unpacking and preparing packages
[10:31] <stenno> as if i just didn't press the 'cancel update' button
[10:40] <PvtJoker> new to ubuntu here. i just edit /etc/fstab now pc is in emergency mode and video went off
[10:40] <PvtJoker> added 4 lines to it to mount some drives and it broke it
[10:44] <weedmic> PvtJoker: in the future, you may wish to consider copying a file to something like "cp /etc/fstab.original" before making changes so you can put it back if the changes damage the system. use something like pastebin.com and show us the current contents of /etc/fstab - espeically the 4 lines you added.
[10:44] <weedmic> you can boot with a live linux media to get access to the ubuntu machine's /etc folder.
[10:45] <PvtJoker> ok i did control alt del and it rebooted and i am back in
[10:45] <PvtJoker> here is /etc/fstab https://pastebin.com/DHSFwTYH
[10:46] <PvtJoker> i saw in my logs an error saying it is not in mtab
[10:47] <PvtJoker> Jul 19 06:42:37 beast expandrive[3262]: fusermount: entry for /media/patrick/documents not found in /etc/mtab
[10:47] <PvtJoker> i guess i missed something with grub?
[10:47] <weedmic> seems fine to me - assuming you copied and pasted the UUIDs
[10:48] <PvtJoker> i did
[10:48] <PvtJoker> wait do they need "" around the UUID?
[10:48] <weedmic> so are you ?fixed?
[10:48] <PvtJoker> I took those out
[10:48] <weedmic> i'll check mine, but I think not
[10:48] <PvtJoker> none of the drives mounted
[10:49] <PvtJoker> says missing in mtab
[10:49] <weedmic> no, but I have above each a remmed out line stating what the volume is for.
[10:49] <PvtJoker> ok that should not hurt to leave out a remmed line?
[10:49] <PvtJoker> do i need to run some grub cmd?
[10:51] <weedmic> i have never edited /etc/mtab.  i opened mine and it is very long.  I simply don't know anything about mtab.
[10:51] <weedmic> "run some grub cmd" - for what purpost?
[10:52] <PvtJoker> ok forget grub then
[10:52] <PvtJoker> maybe the space in /etc/fstab threw it off
[10:52] <PvtJoker> I added a #comment line before each UUID line just now
[10:52] <PvtJoker> I will reboot and try
[10:53] <weedmic> no
[10:53] <weedmic> no need to reboot - the comments are just for human understanding and affect nothing.  provided the line starts with #comment
[10:54] <weedmic> #this is my line of notes
[10:54] <weedmic> darn it, just the #
[10:54] <weedmic> I think you need to ask is there anyreadon to edit the /etc/mtab file - and if yes, please provide a link to instructions.
[10:55] <PvtJoker> ok well i rebooted and it didn't go into emergency mode again. I guess the space in /etc/fstab threw it off
[10:56] <PvtJoker> weedmic in your /etc/fstab do you use UUID or device names?
[10:56] <weedmic> I'm wondering if the mtab is ?built/constructed? with data from the fstab - but again I know nothing about this area.
[10:57] <weedmic> I do not understand the question - do you mean like "\" or "\home" - or do you mean volume names?  or something else
[10:57] <PvtJoker> like /dev/sda1 vs UUID
[11:10] <weedmic> no, PvtJoker, I always use UUID.  If I remember correctly, I even have a command to allow me to set the UUID.  But except I have  a vague memory of setting my home server to FEEDDAD
[11:30] <bariserkus> Hello
[11:30] <bariserkus>  quick question
[11:31] <bariserkus> I have issue with login into my lunchpad account. I want to report a bug for Ubuntu. How can I do that?
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> bariserkus: before filing a bug, we advice you to ask your issue here first, maybe volunteers know whats it about
[11:32] <bariserkus> OK. is this room a good place?
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> this is the ubuntu support channel indeed bariserkus
[11:33] <bariserkus> Great!
[11:33] <bariserkus> this is about Ubuntu desktop 23.04.
[11:33] <bariserkus> I have issues with bluetooth
[11:33] <bariserkus>  I have issues with bluetooth
[11:34] <bariserkus> I have issues with bluetooth, wi-fi and airplane mode...
[11:34] <jeremy31> Describe the issue
[11:34] <PvtJoker> weedmic  I got it to work.
[11:36] <PvtJoker> weedmic : i left out 'options' in fstab. I added a 'defaults' before dump and pass and it is ok now
[11:36] <PvtJoker> thanks for the assist :)
[11:37] <bariserkus> When I turn on bluetooth and add a device, it turned off wi-fi, which I only realized after I turned off and on the computer.. When I turn the bluetooth off, it switches automatically to airplane mode, so there is no way to connect to Wi-fi. How I solved the problem is, turned of BT, restart, and turn off airplane and turn on wi-fi. But it is quite unstable. Randomly when I turn off and on, the problem comes back. In some cases
[11:37] <bariserkus>  the computer does not turn off properly.. Anybody experienced similar issues with BT
[11:37] <bariserkus>  Wi-fi and airplane mode?
[11:40] <weedmic> PvtJoker: nice job - and tks for reporting back
[11:59] <Guest56> Hi everyone,
[11:59] <Guest56> A few days ago my mobile connection stopped working. Depending on how I initiate the connection it immediately disconnects and stays off or keeps reconnecting in ~1s intervals. I'm not aware of any changes I made. I'm on 22.04 clean install with a quectel modem. SIM works fine when used with a phone.
[11:59] <Guest56> NetworkManager says something like "IP mode not supported".
[11:59] <Guest56> ModemManger says "pdn-ipv6-call-disallowed". Ignoring or disabling IPv6 didn't help.
[11:59] <Guest56> I can see from the logs that I receive some IPv4 settings after the connection is established but the connection only stays open when I configure IPv4 as "automatic,addresses only". When I do that I have no DNS but I can ping the outside world... kinda at least... every other packet is lost because the connection gets reestablished.
[11:59] <Guest56> There's hardly anything helpful online, I really don't know how to continue debugging/fixing this. Any ideas?
[12:13] <weedmic> what does "nmcli connections show" display?  Guest56
[12:14] <weedmic> and "sudo nmcli device status" - put these in a file and use something like pastebin and post the link
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:21] <Guest56> weedmic https://dpaste.com/9LYLHHQSV
[12:23] <nik> hi
[12:26] <weedmic> Guest56: is the "connected" line green?
[12:28] <weedmic> it seems to me that it is connected - idnk Guest56
[12:32] <Guest56> weedmic That's with the "automatic,addresses only" setting I mentioned. It doesn't _stay_ connected and breaks as soon as the first packet gets sent. Also DNS is not configured properly. Here's some more info: https://dpaste.com/675DS3BHK
[12:33] <Guest56> The logs I've put there keep repeating
[13:03] <weedmic> but u left
[13:57] <hamidlotfi> Hi , there
[13:57] <hamidlotfi> I config the netplan with an interface and ovs-bridge and set the mac address manually on the bridge but after applying the netplan, the other mac was randomly assigned by OS to this
[13:57] <hamidlotfi> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/SaeIzyTe/
[13:57] <hamidlotfi> And the result was this:
[13:57] <hamidlotfi> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JwihCLNN/
[13:57] <hamidlotfi> why does not apply the manually mac to the bridge interface `11:00:00:00:05:01` instead of `b6:22:e5:2d:9f:4c`
[13:57] <hamidlotfi> help me please!
[13:59] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: this is meant to match mac addresses to rename them using the interface name given in netplan. It does not set the mac address of the interface
[13:59] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: it also doesn't work on virtual(bridged) interfaces
[13:59] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: https://netplan.readthedocs.io/en/latest/netplan-yaml/
[14:00] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: https://netplan.readthedocs.io/en/latest/netplan-yaml/#:~:text=as%20of%20v1.14.0)-,macaddress%20(scalar),-Device%E2%80%99s%206%2Dbyte
[14:07] <hamidlotfi> Here's the weird thing, on the other server I applied this configuration with the other Mac and it applied.
[14:08] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: nope, that's not how it works
[14:08] <hamidlotfi> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bm6OBgdc/
[14:08] <hamidlotfi> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tQBmsddm/
[14:09] <leftyfb> yes, you renamed the interface
[14:09] <hamidlotfi> I don't know
[14:09] <hamidlotfi> no this create a bridge on the interface not rename!
[14:10] <leftyfb> that's not how it works
[14:11] <hamidlotfi> I am also confused why it works on one server and not on another!
[14:11] <leftyfb> it doesn't "work" on one server, you need to dig in deeper to see what it's actually doing because it's not creating a bridge interface with your custom MAC
[14:12] <leftyfb> macaddress: is used to rename an interace, nothing more
[14:13] <hamidlotfi> yes, I know
[14:13] <leftyfb> and you're not even using it correctly, it should be under a match: section
[14:15] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: you know what. I was wrong. It looks like macaddress: is both an option for match: as well as setting the mac of an interface
[14:17] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: try this https://serverfault.com/a/955013
[14:17] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man5/netplan.5.html#:~:text=<IP_ADDRESS>%2C%20%22FEDC%3A%3A1%22%5D-,macaddress%20(scalar),-Set%20%20%20the%20%20%20device%E2%80%99s
[14:18] <leftyfb> "Note: This will not work reliably for devices matched by name only and rendered  by networkd,  due  to interactions with device renaming in udev.  Match devices by MAC when setting MAC addresses."
[14:18] <leftyfb> TIL
[14:18] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: why do you need to set custom mac's anyway?
[14:19] <hamidlotfi> But here's the problem, when you create a bridge interface, the operating system randomly assigns a Mac address to it, and the point is that these were also clones, so the bridge Macs are the same, and to change these Macs, use from `macaddress` to change it.
[14:30] <hamidlotfi> see this https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1782221
[14:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1782221 in systemd "networkd: bridge MAC addresses are not inherited from physical interface" [Undecided, New]
[14:32] <leftyfb> hamidlotfi: is this a VM or bare metal install?
[16:13] <ldi-carl> hello
[16:43] <hydrian> Ello all
[16:46] <hydrian> I'm having an issue with Ubuntu 22.04 setting my user env KRB5CCNAME variable to KEYRING:persistent:#####. My configuration say to use FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_#####.
[16:46] <hydrian> This machine is configured with the FreeIPA client from the 22.04 repos.
[16:49] <hydrian> I've checked /etc/krb5.conf, /etc/pam.d/*, /etc/sssd/sssd.conf. There are no references to KEYRING:persistent:#####
[16:52] <hydrian> Dead in here? Net split?
[16:53] <leftyfb> !patience | hydrian
[16:55] <hydrian> leftyfb: I am. Just usually this room is a lot more active. Going more than a minute without a new messsage, not necessarily for me, is usually rare.
[16:56] <hydrian> And I know my message is on the more technical side.
[17:14] <oac> If I'd like to clone an ubuntu installation onto a new drive, will dd from one drive to the other do the trick (that is, onto a blank, unformatted, unpartitioned new one), or should I be wary of partitions or dd each partition separately? And will I have to mess with partition labels in fstab?
[17:18] <EriC^^> oac: dd should do it
[17:18] <EriC^^> same size disks?
[17:21] <oac> EriC^^: approximately... they're both 1TB, but different manufacturers, so probably not exactly the same number of bytes
[17:22] <hydrian> oac: Better to use clonezilla. Lota gotcha in there
[17:24] <EriC^^> oac: well, see the byte sizes in parted -l or similar before doing it, if the destination is slightly larger and you dont mind losing the space then dd
[17:28] <alkisg> And if the target disk is a bit smaller, you can shrink the last partition of the first disk a bit so that then again dd works
[17:28] <alkisg> And it's a good idea after dd to open the target disk with gparted, it'll tell you if it needs to relocate the gpt backup to the last disk sector
[17:30] <hydrian> Also there could be difference in sector size too 512 vs 4k.
[17:34] <oac> hydrian: both have a common sector size. It's just two new SSDs
[17:34] <oac> Clonezilla looks quite promising
[17:35] <hydrian> Yea.. Takes a lot of the fringe cases out of it and simplies thing. Been using it for over a decade.
[17:35] <hydrian> Also, is the 'right tool for the job' as you shouldn't be running the drive your a trying to copy.
[17:56] <ruser> how do i upgrade security fix  on openssh on LTS without the premium subscription?
[17:57] <ruser> Critical vuln got fixed it tells me it did but doesn't want to upgrade
[17:57] <hydrian> ruser: What version of ubuntu are you on?
[17:58] <ruser> hydrian:  ISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS"
[17:58] <hydrian> Is the vulnerablity a code issue or a config issue?
[17:59] <ruser> yes to both
[17:59] <leftyfb> ruser: apt-cache policy openssh-server | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:59] <ruser> leftyfb:  oh hmm https://termbin.com/px4x
[17:59] <ruser> looks like my sources are out of date?
[18:00] <leftyfb> ruser: you have the latest openssh server package available in ubuntu. There is no update.
[18:00] <ruser> nvm, jammy is the codename
[18:01] <hydrian> So it looks like you still have to do the configuration side of it..
[18:01] <leftyfb> ruser: what is the CVE you're referring to?
[18:01] <ruser> then two questions: 1.why does it say in upgrade '# CVE-2023-2650: possible DoS translating ASN.1 object identifiers' and 2. how to get OpenSSH 9.3p2?
[18:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue summary: Processing some specially crafted ASN.1 object identifiers or data containing them may be very slow. Impact summary: Applications that use OBJ_obj2txt() directly, or use any of the OpenSSL subsystems OCSP, PKCS7/SMIME, CMS, CMP/CRMF or TS with no message size limit may experience notable to very long delays when processing those messages, which may lead to a D... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-2650>
[18:02] <ruser> leftyfb: the second one is Fix CVE-2023-38408
[18:02] -ubottu:#ubuntu- ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-38408>
[18:02] <leftyfb> ruser: define "in upgrade"
[18:03] <ruser> leftyfb:  sudo apt upgrade produces https://termbin.com/pm95
[18:03] <leftyfb> ruser: that's openssl, not openssh
[18:04] <leftyfb> ruser: apt-cache policy openssl
[18:04] <leftyfb> ruser: apt-cache policy openssl | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:04] <leftyfb> ruser: if you have version 3.0.2-0ubuntu1.10, you're fine
[18:05] <leftyfb> the message says "Ensure you have updated the package to its latest version"
[18:05] <leftyfb> which means just make sure you are up to date
[18:05] <leftyfb> it does not say you are vulnerable
[18:05] <leftyfb> which you are more than likely not vulnerable
[18:05] <leftyfb> since it was patched in May
[18:06] <ruser> leftyfb:  oops, thank you for pointing this out.  missed the openssl. It does appear I do have an up to date version. I guess i dind't expect a non-vuln version to produce the warning.
[18:06] <leftyfb> it's not a warning exactly
[18:06] <leftyfb> it's a message to just check that you are updated
[18:06] <leftyfb> it doesn't actually check anything itself
[18:07] <hydrian> Some 'security testers' just check the package and the version > vulnerable version. Some don't check if the package is even effected by the older versions.
[18:08] <ruser> thank you both
[18:09] <hydrian> Security tests with RHEL are notorious for this.
[18:41] <Aavar> when I run "systemctl status <something>" in screen the right side is cut off. How can I show the missing text?
[18:44] <leftyfb> Aavar: systemctl status --no-pager --full
 hold down ctrl and try to roll your mouse wheel
[18:47] <leftyfb> casedup: that's not the issue they're having. I already gave the solution
[18:47] <Aavar> leftyfb: tnx :)
[18:48] <casedup> haha whoops
[18:48] <casedup> :(
[18:48] <Aavar> casedup: tnx anyway :)
[18:48] <casedup> im useless dude haha
[18:52] <rfm> Aavar, my permanent solution was to set environment variable SYSTEMD_LESS=FRXMK in .profile, and drop "Defaults env_keep == SYSTEMD_LESS" into /etc/sudoers.d to cover the cases where I sudo  systemctl...
[19:40] <effortDee> best way to find lost data on an external hard drive?
[19:41] <effortDee> hard drive was plugged in and then the laptop restarted as i was using that hard drive and the data i was using has vanished but i see a folder that shows items in it when i click on it but when i enter it it is empty
[19:42] <michaeldavis> Hello all
[19:53] <X-REDOC> hey nabersiniz
[20:26] <david85> Is there a 32-bit package/library of the libgc garbage collector so I may use -m32 in gcc?
[20:47] <Jakov> how to get fan speed ?
[20:47] <Jakov> I hear my fan with no reason
[20:47] <Jakov> and laptop seem to work little slower, even when printing here I feel delay
[20:47] <sarnold> sometimes that can be addressed by changing settings in the BIOS to allow the BIOS to control them; sometimes that can be addressed by changing settings in the BIOS to forbid the bios from controlling them
[20:48] <LuckyMan> Jakov, how old is your laptop?
[20:49] <Jakov> its pretty new and it was fine yesterday
[20:49] <sarnold> fans are often vendor-specific interfaces; try find /sys -name '*fan*'  --- that might help you find speeds or controls
[20:52] <Jakov> https://justpaste.it/bmmp4
[20:52] <Jakov> how to use it?
[21:01] <sarnold> d'oh
[21:47] <Jakov> Just tested same on laptop with windows, its quiet
[22:14] <felipe> hola a todos
[23:26] <plt2> .
[23:26] <plt2> Cool now I have 1,000 available ip address I can use
[23:34] <Crell> Hi folks. I was in here a few days ago for help getting a rebuilt RAID array to boot.  I managed to solve that, so now I am trying to figure out how to resize the RAID array. The old setup was 3x1TB, new setup is 3x2TB.  The system is running fine now, it seems, just only using 1 TB of each drive.  Searches find lots of posts saying either "it's
[23:34] <Crell> easy, the RAID controller will offer to do it" (presumably Windows systems) or "LOL, don't do that, reinstall" (not helpful).  Anyone have recommendations for more specific instructions?
[23:35] <pratamarizki22> koko
[23:35] <pratamarizki22> hy
[23:35] <mybalzitch> Crell: first of all, what raid implemntation are you leveraging
[23:36] <Crell> RAID5.
[23:36] <mybalzitch> sorry, like, via a hardware raid card? inside linux via mdadm? zfs?
[23:36] <Crell> Software raid with mdadm.
[23:37] <mybalzitch> no underlying luks, or volume groups?
[23:37] <Crell> I don't believe so.
[23:38] <Crell> There's 2 RAID5 definitions.  md0 is sdX1, and is for swap.  (8 GB each drive.)  md1 is sdX5 and is for /.  (Everything else.)
[23:38] <Crell> I want to just expand the md1 to use the rest of the available disks.
[23:39] <mybalzitch> have you resized the 5th partition on each disk so it uses the whole drive?
[23:40] <Crell> Not yet.  That's what I'm here to ask how to do safely. :-)
[23:41] <mybalzitch> have you got a gui?
[23:41] <Crell> No.  Technically I have a monitor plugged into it at the moment for debugging, but no keyboard. :-) It's a headless system that lives in my basement.
[23:42] <mybalzitch> https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/1-growpart/
[23:43] <Crell> Ah ha.
[23:43] <Crell> So is it safe to run that on all 3 drives separately, or will that confuse the RAID?
[23:44] <mybalzitch> so the order of operations is, assuming the underlying raid is currently healthy
[23:44] <Crell> (It is healthy as far as I can tell.)
[23:45] <mybalzitch> expand the correct partition for md1, tell mdadm to grow, then tell your filesystem to grow.
[23:45] <mybalzitch> do you know if its ext or xfs ?
[23:45] <Crell> Expand the partition?  You mean partitionS?  Or do I expand md1 itself?
[23:45] <mybalzitch> sorry ,expand each partition that is used by md1
[23:46] <Crell> ext4, it looks like.
[23:47] <mybalzitch> okay
[23:47] <Crell> So growpart sda5, growpart sdb5, growpart sdc5, then there's separate commands for mdadm ?
[23:47] <mybalzitch> growpart -N sda 5
[23:47] <mybalzitch> for a dry run
[23:47] <Crell> Wise.
[23:48] <mybalzitch> sda is the device, 5 is the partition you wish to expand
[23:48] <mybalzitch> (-N is dry run)
[23:49] <Crell> Hm, interesting.  It looks like I first need to grow sdX2.  (That's the extended partition, in which sdX5 lives.)
[23:49] <mybalzitch> that makes sense
[23:49] <Crell> The dry run says it would give me sda2 with one capacity, and sda5 with a larger capacity.  Which seems like it would break. :-)
[23:51] <mybalzitch> or
[23:51] <mybalzitch> parted /dev/sda resize 5 100%
[23:51] <mybalzitch> might do it automatically
[23:52] <Crell> Does it have a dry run flag?
[23:52] <mybalzitch> *resizepart
[23:53]  * Crell is so lost with all of the different overlapping commands. :-(
[23:53] <Crell> resizepart seems like it wants a specific length, which I don't know.
[23:53] <mybalzitch> yeah, there's 15 ways to skin a cat most of the time
[23:53] <mybalzitch> I think parted will do the resizing of the extended partition
[23:53] <Crell> growpart seems like the most straightforward so far, so i'll try that.
[23:54] <Crell> After I've grown sdX2, then sdX5, how do I tell mdadm and the file system to grow with it?
[23:54] <Crell> Or does resizing the partition also format the new space?
[23:54] <mybalzitch> mdadm --grow /dev/md1 --size max
[23:55] <mybalzitch> then after that completes, you resize the filesystem thats on top of mdadm, with resize2fs
[23:55] <mybalzitch> resize2fs /dev/md1
[23:56] <Crell> That's the "extend the file system definition as far it it will go" command?
[23:57] <mybalzitch> yep
[23:57] <Crell> OK, so 4 step process.  growpart sdX2, growpart sdX5, mdadm --grow, resize2fs md1
[23:58] <Crell> And then All Should Be Well?
[23:58] <mybalzitch> or your money back
[23:58] <Crell> whee!
[23:58] <mybalzitch> just uh
[23:58] <Crell> OK, I'll go give that a try.  If I come back in a panic you know it didn't work. :-)
[23:58] <mybalzitch> sfdisk -d /dev/sda > sda.partition.table
[23:59] <mybalzitch> to back up yoru partition table before you start
[23:59] <mybalzitch> incase things go pear shaped
[23:59] <Crell> Oh, good thinking.
[23:59] <mybalzitch> and of course you'll need to be root / use sudo for all of this


[01:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: LXD 5.21.0 LTS is now available @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/lxd_5-21-0_lts
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[04:14] <guiverc> I knew it was down (and discussion on it); hadn't seen an annoucement  (hadn't looked)
[04:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Just to make sure you knew :D
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[17:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Documentation Office Hours 15th March 2024 @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk5blPpwOGM
[22:41] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 831 shortly for Saturday thingies - will be a spell.


[06:27] <soee> good morning
[07:59] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:13] <Riddell> ouch, my dentist had a break down half way through drilling out my tooth :(
[09:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: they did one a couple of years ago too, I've got the files if you want them
[09:16] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[09:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I see, well, I still have to watch the rest of that one
[09:27] <shadeslayer> I watched 30 mins of it, then I started to have a headache
[09:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh:(
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you are a Debian developer right?
[10:03] <Riddell> smartboyhw: not I
[10:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :O
[10:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: has rights I believe
[10:04]  * smartboyhw wants somebody to sponsor his first package into Debian....
[10:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what's the lucky package?
[10:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, zbackup
[10:06] <smartboyhw> It's a new one, so it's a good opportunity to train it out my packaging skills
[10:06] <smartboyhw> (Albeit it's quite an easy one)
[10:08] <shadeslayer> okay I think login is faster if cache is populated from the install
[10:10] <yofel> for kde it will be, cache generation takes quite a while
[10:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's your current method?
[10:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p171e1662/
[10:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: though I can remove the dir creation stuff by running kbuildsycoca4 twice , once before I copy the cache, and once I copy it
[10:14]  * smartboyhw forgotten the command to check copyright again, yofel
[10:14] <smartboyhw> IDIOT
[10:14] <shadeslayer> which is what I'm trying right now
[10:14] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: licensecheck
[10:14] <yofel> ^
[10:15] <shadeslayer> heh, also missing a ] in the subprocess.call
[10:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: also run suspicious-source
[10:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah?
[10:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sebas agreed that copying the cache should work
[10:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: so you don't let in any non-preferred modifiable form files
[10:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: does python have a method to copy all files matching a regex?
[10:40] <shadeslayer> then I can just copy over *.kcache
[10:41] <Riddell> I don't think so, you can use a shell call or just match the files in python easy enough
[10:42] <Riddell> subprocess.call("cp * foo/", shell=True)
[10:42] <Riddell> I think
[10:42] <shadeslayer> ah yes, shell call is probably easier
[10:43] <yofel> python has a glob module I think that you could use, but shell would be easier
[12:07] <Riddell> hi manchicken
[12:07] <manchicken> Hiya
[12:10] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:17] <shadeslayer> xnox: ping
[12:17] <shadeslayer> xnox: is there a way I can extract the name of the live session user?
[12:18] <yofel> $USER, no?
[12:19] <shadeslayer> ubiquity will be running as root
[12:19] <shadeslayer> so won't $USER be root?
[12:19] <shadeslayer> problem is : cache_path = subprocess.getoutput('kde4-config --path cache') : gives me the cache of the root user
[12:19] <shadeslayer> which does not have the cache files
[12:20] <shadeslayer> but the live user does
[12:20] <xnox> shadeslayer: class DM has self.username, there is also get_casper('USERNAME', default_username)
[12:20] <xnox> shadeslayer: SUDO_USER should be defined in the environment as well.
[12:21] <xnox> (SUDO_USER used in a couple of places in the installer itself)
[12:21] <xnox> shadeslayer: else fallback to root, as e.g. it is valid to run ubiquity as root with no "normal" accounts.
[12:22] <shadeslayer> xnox: I don't wnat to fallback to root because it doesn't have the KDE cache files populated :)
[12:22] <xnox> shadeslayer: or simply use the drop privileges decorator, to executed something as a mere mortal.
[12:22] <shadeslayer> aha
[12:22] <shadeslayer> that sounds better
[12:22] <xnox> shadeslayer: preexec_fn=misc.drop_all_privileges
[12:22] <shadeslayer> xnox: can drop_privileges be used in scripts/plugininstall.py ?
[12:23] <xnox> no idea =)(
[12:23] <xnox> no idea =)
[12:23] <xnox> shadeslayer: try and see what breaks =)
[12:23] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:23] <shadeslayer> xnox: once dropped, can I elevate again?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> ( doesn't seem like it )
[12:27] <shadeslayer> xnox: v
[12:27] <shadeslayer> erm
[12:27] <shadeslayer> xnox: http://paste.kde.org/p699b323c/
[12:27] <shadeslayer> xnox: only problematic line is line 10
[12:28] <shadeslayer> need to figure out how to run that as the live user
[12:28] <xnox> shadeslayer: drop_privileges is for running stuff as $user in the live session, not in target.
[12:30] <shadeslayer> aha, there's a regain priviliges
[12:30] <shadeslayer> xnox: right, I understand
[13:02] <shadeslayer> xnox: btw, do you have an idea if populating the xapian cache on the target system has been investigated?
[13:05] <xnox> shadeslayer: which xapian cache? i thought on ubuntu cds it does happen at the end when software-centre is configured.
[13:05] <xnox>  - the apt-xapian cache that is.
[13:05] <shadeslayer> yes, that's the one I'm talking about
[13:05] <shadeslayer> xnox: is that generic or specific to the ubuntu CD>
[13:05] <shadeslayer> or even the package
[13:05] <xnox> no idea, I just know that it happens =)
[13:06] <shadeslayer> heh =)
[13:09] <xnox> shadeslayer: so apt-xapian-index is purged from target with a comment that it will be reindexed later.
[13:09] <shadeslayer> yes I saw that
[13:09] <shadeslayer> something along the lines of "Once the target systems apt is fully configured we will re index"
[13:15] <xnox> shadeslayer: are you just pondering or you did live-session install, then mounted /target and saw there is no apt-xapian inde?
[13:15] <shadeslayer> xnox: installing to check if my guess is correct
[13:15] <shadeslayer> xnox: atleast from the logs I don't think it's doing anything related to the apt xapian index
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Anyone here have any ideas as to which team in Debian should I join?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> the KDE one?
[13:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, except the KDE one?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> not the GNOME one?
[13:27] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I know nothing about GNOME:P
[13:27] <shadeslayer> I bet apachelogger can enlighten you about it
[13:28] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh
[13:28] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/27/plasma-desktopyY2304.png phonon5 playing video
[13:28] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, shadeslayer say you can enlighten me on above topic^
[13:29] <apachelogger> GNOME is awesome.
[13:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, ......
[13:29] <apachelogger> all the Enlightenment you need
[13:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, .................
[13:29] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, bah :)
[13:29] <apachelogger> or perhaps you should have a look at your Windows
[13:29] <shadeslayer> I heard they tried to remove middle click paste
[13:30] <apachelogger> to see an Apple falling from a tree, landing on a Bee
[13:30] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, you are obviously answering the wrong question...
[13:30] <shadeslayer> and then it was reverted
[13:30] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: yeah, because there was no question
[13:30] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, um the question is <smartboyhw> Anyone here have any ideas as to which team in Debian should I join?
[13:30] <apachelogger> or there was one, and that one I cannot answer as I am not in any debian team
[13:30] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, oh
[13:30] <shadeslayer> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/plugins/xsettings/gsd-xsettings-manager.c?id=696e04d41a485f84870a98c85b819979928b69e9
[13:30] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, can you get somebody who can ACTUALLY answer?:
[13:30] <smartboyhw> :P
[13:30] <apachelogger> so shadeslayer #fail
[13:31] <BluesKaj> how about the debiam kde team , if there is one :)
[13:31] <shadeslayer> what
[13:31] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: ofcourse there is one :P
[13:32] <apachelogger> I heared they all switched to fedora
[13:32] <BluesKaj> yeah , no kidding '
[13:32] <smartboyhw> OK, so you want me all to switch to Debian and do packaging work there instead of here?:P
[13:32] <BluesKaj> I see alot of fewrora users in #kde
[13:32] <BluesKaj> oops fedora
[13:33]  * BluesKaj needs more coffee
[13:33] <BluesKaj> so fedora must have problems on kde
[13:34] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, :O
[13:35] <apachelogger> or they have users
[13:35] <apachelogger> trolololo
[13:36] <shadeslayer> ^^
[13:36] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, shadeslayer so, the Debian Qt/KDE team?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[13:37] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK, what the hell is that?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> I don't know
[13:38] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, huh
[13:38] <smartboyhw> THen why are you typing that?
[13:38] <smartboyhw> It's a Japanese word + arms
[13:39] <shadeslayer> yes, I know, I just used it as a substitute for IDK since it better conveys what I wanted to say
[13:39] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
[13:44] <apachelogger> it's an emoticon that's what it is
[13:45] <BluesKaj> look s like , "I have no idea"  :)
[13:46] <smartboyhw> It looks like to me as \o/
[13:49] <jussi> it looks like *shrug*
[13:57] <shadeslayer> halp http://paste.kde.org/~shadeslayer/p3fda168e/
[13:57] <shadeslayer> causes crash : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6032727/
[13:57] <shadeslayer> line 958 ^^
[13:58]  * Riddell tunes into http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/meeting/21887/intro-and-keynote/
[13:58]  * smartboyhw too
[13:58] <Riddell> Aug 27 13:50:17 kubuntu ubiquity:   File "/usr/share/ubiquity/plugininstall.py", line 1674
[13:58] <Riddell> Aug 27 13:50:17 kubuntu ubiquity:     universal_newlines=True).communicate()[0].strip('\n')
[13:58] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: invalid syntax
[13:58] <shadeslayer> why?
[13:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: missing comma
[13:59] <Riddell> preexec_fn=misc.drop_privileges
[13:59] <Riddell> there ^^
[13:59] <shadeslayer> %$^%*&
[14:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, CALM DOWN
[14:00] <shadeslayer> my brain hurts
[14:00] <shadeslayer> python is driving me crazy
[14:01]  * smartboyhw drives shadeslayer even more crazy
[14:03] <shadeslayer> /o\
[14:04]  * smartboyhw thinks shadeslayer should be sent to "Tsing Shan" (a.k.a. hospital for crazy people)
[14:13] <shadeslayer> -.-
[14:13] <shadeslayer> the cp command still doesn't work :/
[14:41] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:41] <shadeslayer> xnox: I don't think drop_priviliges is working
[14:42] <xnox> shadeslayer: define not work =) on kubuntu cd, it will correctly drop priviliges to the live-cd kubuntu user.
[14:43] <shadeslayer> xnox: http://paste.kde.org/~shadeslayer/p5bae65c4/
[14:43] <shadeslayer> that's the code
[14:44] <shadeslayer> in syslog I see "Building KDE cache from"
[14:44] <shadeslayer> no path
[14:44] <xnox> check /var/log/installer/dm anything there?
[14:45] <shadeslayer> not really no
[14:46] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6032895
[14:47] <shadeslayer> xnox: ^^
[14:49] <xnox> shadeslayer: at least on ubuntu, ubiquity bootted with debug-ubiquity parameter allows ctrl-alt-t to bring up the terminal with the same environment as the installer, for you to test what (if anything) is wrong with that call.
[14:50] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:50] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:50] <shadeslayer> nothing
[14:50] <shadeslayer> xnox: you mean ubiquity --debug right?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt+t hasn't worked here for ages
[14:51]  * xnox has no idea about kde frontend. but it does work in ubuntu.
[14:51] <xnox> shadeslayer: no, debug-ubiquity as kernel boot arg, cause you want it in ubiquity-dm, not in the live session.
[14:54] <hggdh> just a Q, are you folks aware that apport-kde is seg-faulting?
[14:54] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:55] <shadeslayer> xnox: but my code is only meant to be run in the live session
[14:57] <xnox> shadeslayer: what do you mean by live session? installer should do everything regardless if it was run from live session or from ubiquity-dm session.
[14:58] <xnox> shadeslayer: probably environment variables are missing, as we use pkexec and it clears environment, and when you drop priviliges back the environment will not be the same.
[14:58] <shadeslayer> xnox: no no, this code should only be run when on the live session
[14:58] <xnox> shadeslayer: why does it need to be run anyway then?
[14:58]  * xnox doesn't understand, if you are generating caches, you should chroot into /target and regenerate caches there.
[14:58] <xnox> shadeslayer: do note that your live session != the target installed environment....
[14:59] <shadeslayer> xnox: yes I know, what I'm doing is copying caches from the live-session to the target
[14:59] <xnox> don't do that.
[15:00] <xnox> chroot into target and regenerate them.
[15:00] <xnox> shadeslayer: what does it gain you?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> hmm, kind of difficult since there's no command to generate the cache on the target via command line that I know of
[15:00] <shadeslayer> xnox: login time
[15:00] <shadeslayer> or atleast it seems to me that login is faster if I copy the cache
[15:00] <shadeslayer> *first login
[15:00] <xnox> shadeslayer: well the caches are generated somehow, if it's not exposed yet, make it exposed.
[15:01] <shadeslayer> xnox: they're most likely generated programatically
[15:01] <shadeslayer> xnox: for eg the plasma theme cache
[15:01] <shadeslayer> or the icon cache
[15:01] <shadeslayer> combined, the compromise about 90 MB's
[15:01] <xnox> benchmark it. I don't like something that only works via one method vs the other.
[15:02] <shadeslayer> hm, I see
[15:02] <xnox> talk to kde upstream, maybe they can expose cache generation.
[15:02] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[15:04] <xnox> shadeslayer: for example icon caches should be all up to date globally, as we preserve time stamps during livefs build.
[15:05] <shadeslayer> not really, if I understand this correctly, KDE caches icons in /var/tmp/kdecache-USER/
[15:05] <shadeslayer> since you don't know the value of USER, the file is not there on the target system
[15:18] <smartboyhw> DOH, Google doesn't allow me to join the vUDS hangouts since I'm < 18:(
[15:19] <shadeslayer> lol?
[15:20] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, true
[15:20] <smartboyhw> It is actually Google's policy
[15:23] <BluesKaj> have patience smartboyhw . you'll be 18 someday :)
[15:23] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, what? That's 3 YEARS, for holy's sake
[15:24] <smartboyhw> And that's 36 vUDS...
[15:24] <shadeslayer> I sure hope not
[15:24]  * shadeslayer is still rooting for in person UDS to come back
[15:25] <BluesKaj> like the saying goes , patience is a virtue
[15:25]  * smartboyhw wrote http://smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/google-please-let-me-join-vuds/ in fury
[15:26] <yofel> write vUDS-use-something-other-than-google instead
[15:26] <yofel> then Scott could join too
[15:27] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:27] <smartboyhw> yofel, wait, why Scott can't?
[15:27] <shadeslayer> It's proprietary
[15:27] <shadeslayer> same reason I try and actively avoid it
[15:27] <yofel> smartboyhw: he doesn't agree with google's TOS afaik
[15:27] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh:)
[15:27] <shadeslayer> and that as well ^^
[15:28] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel updated
[15:28] <smartboyhw> At least pleading Ubuntu to change
[15:28] <shadeslayer> I am unsure why they did not go with mumble
[15:28] <shadeslayer> I don't think video is *that* important
[15:30] <yofel> well, video *is* nice
[15:30] <yofel> it does give it a bit more personal feeling
[15:30] <smartboyhw> But, this TOS is :(
[15:30]  * smartboyhw has to re-consider whether he will be trying to join Google in the future
[15:38] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yofel their answer: "NO SOLUTION TO THIS"
[15:38] <smartboyhw> And they seem to stick to Video more
[15:38]  * yofel expected that
[15:41] <smartboyhw> yofel, next thing you know from popey and IdleOne: Why not lie?:P
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Next thing you know from slangasek and rbasak: Go and write one yourself -.-
[15:58] <shadeslayer> xnox: fwiw the xapian-apt index is not created on kubuntu
[15:58] <shadeslayer> there is no /target/var/lib/apt-xapian-index
[15:58] <xnox> but daily cron will create it.
[15:59] <shadeslayer> xnox: do you think we should prepopulate it from the installer ?
[16:00] <xnox> shadeslayer: not sure.
[16:00] <shadeslayer> so, where is this db used?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> muon?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ^ ?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apol: ^^
[16:01] <smartboyhw> libqapt?
[16:01] <shadeslayer> well, it's probably implemented in libqapt, but the question is whether muon uses it
[16:01] <apol> it does
[16:01] <yofel> I think the issue was our language selector
[16:01] <apol> for searching
[16:01] <yofel> that doesn't work without the index
[16:02] <shadeslayer> ah hmm, the trello card gives no reasons why each one of those caches should be populated
[16:02] <shadeslayer> just says that they should be
[18:05] <soee> hiho
[18:35] <skellat> Hey Riddell, can you spare a moment?
[18:38] <skellat> When you have the chance Riddell, please ping infinity & slangasek over -release with the amount of alphas and betas Kubuntu want to participate in during the T cycle.  It would help them with a bit of their discussion from a short session about schedule planning.
[18:38]  * skellat wanders off
[19:52] <Riddell> skellat: all of them I think
[20:41] <skellat> Riddell: Just please make sure to ping infinity & slangasek directly in -release with that.  knome did so for us and I think I need to track down gilir perhaps yet too.