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[03:39] <tr4ck3ur> hey guys, i see the nexus 4 seems compatible, any of one have an experience on this hardware ? it seems that works could you please confirm ?
 Yes it works
[04:01] <ubptgbot> mrpjl was added by: mrpjl
[04:02] <tr4ck3ur> great
[04:03] <tr4ck3ur> thanks dohbee
[04:09] <tr4ck3ur> As i just buy it on a "well known" reseler, i hope it will fit my needs, erf, let's say his needs.. as i will prepare it for a really "heart" good friend.
[04:11] <tr4ck3ur> i know it's a bet on the future, but i'm pretty confident
[04:13] <tr4ck3ur> and really at least, i will try to re-use an old device
 it is a nicely supported one, a bit slim on specs - but very nice for the size
 @mateosalta [it is a nicely supported one, a bit slim on specs - but very nice for the size], Hello everybody , I am looking for the best messenger app available on Ubuntu ports right now . Is it Teleports ( BETA ) ... in the store that is the one with most positive reactions or do I miss something ?
 @Hungry_BB [Hello everybody , I am looking for the best messenger app available on Ubuntu po …], We have clients for telegram, matrix, signal, xmpp and maybe few others
 Yes, Teleports although named beta because it is not feature equal yet, works quit well.
 Watch Q&A ubports on YouTube kinda bored with the video.Ubports channel does not release any new feature to the Ubuntu touch
 😂
[09:18] <ubptgbot> proplayer was added by: proplayer
 any plans to add Session ?
 I have redmi y1. Will ubport work
 @proplayer [I have redmi y1. Will ubport work], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[09:26] <ubptgbot> therealjjwyatt was added by: therealjjwyatt
 What's the future plan for ubport for iPhone. Most guys have old iphone..
 You are aware Iphone is closed system in any possible way , right ?
 This project is  about having an alternative , not having the brand new shiny thing that came out 2 days ago . If you are expecting brand new phones to be ported I do not see that happening until the project goes a ton because there will be need for some1 to buy and send those phones to the developers that can do the port + they need to
[09:50] <ubptgbot>  get paid with donations
 [Edit] This project is  about having an alternative , not having the brand new shiny thing that came out 2 days ago . If you are expecting brand new phones to be ported I do not see that happening until the project grows a ton because there will be need for some1 to buy and send those phones to the developers that can do the port + they
[09:55] <ubptgbot>  need to get paid with donations
 @Hungry_BB [This project is  about having an alternative , not having the brand new shiny th …], keep in mind someone with an iphone might port it on their own
 except for that android/linux support on iPhones would need to improve
 @hacker12455 [keep in mind someone with an iphone might port it on their own], that would be great - the more options we have the better , If some1 can do it it will be really really beneficial
 given we have checkra1n and PongoOS
 someone would need to bring up more features
 plus based on the pmos page for the iphone 7 it has a powervr gpu so....
 @H@ñß9ñ [Watch Q&A ubports on YouTube kinda bored with the video.Ubports channel does not …], The Q&As are every two weeks. It would be crazy to expect each to showcase 'new features'. If your only inputs are negative, why spoil your day by coming here?
 @Stereofont [The Q&As are every two weeks. It would be crazy to expect each to showcase 'new …], I think its just a troll, we get them regularly on discord, and kinda detecting the difference between people who troll for laughs but are actually cool people who should stay, and those who are just around to put people down, or mak
[10:23] <ubptgbot> e people feel uncomfortable, is a difficult task for admins.
[10:27] <ubptgbot> Clamtacos was added by: Clamtacos
 @PhoenixLandPirate [I think its just a troll, we get them regularly on discord, and kinda detecting …], Every device page on the internet has random stuff below the line from negative comment trolls. I can vaguely understand it if nastiness is their paid job. If they do it for free, it is just immensely sad
 You guys doing it for free???
 @Stereofont [Every device page on the internet has random stuff below the line from negative …], Non of possitive comment?maybe ubports doing it the wrong way
 @H@ñß9ñ [You guys doing it for free???], Most of us do this in our free time, yes
 I basically do nothing else anymore in my.life besides day job an UBport work ;)
 How maps work if ubport does not using any other services
 Now I noticed something
 How how how
 What services do Ubuntu touch used for it to work?
 @H@ñß9ñ [Non of possitive comment?maybe ubports doing it the wrong way], We don't mind negative comments if they're constructive, we've had plenty of debates, thats fine, and we get a lot of positive comments, people really like the project.
 I want to go deep
 @PhoenixLandPirate [We don't mind negative comments if they're constructive, we've had plenty of deb …], Yeah I like the idea of the project and its continue from canonical project and its was bad for the canonical but still have hope
 Need to talk with someone who expert with Ubuntu touch can anyone pm me or we can talk here because I'm will asking stupid question but good for some who had questions
 I don't want to waste my data to watch YouTube to search its will waste my data
[11:29] <ubptgbot> bhatia1583 was added by: bhatia1583
 Talking about waste of data do Ubuntu touch have YouTube or other services for video streaming that can save data when watch a video.
 Ubport can't copyright from others developer right
 @H@ñß9ñ [What services do Ubuntu touch used for it to work?], We use free services like open street map
 @Flohack [We use free services like open street map], Hmm I'm been thinking is it true that UT used open source services
 Because its sounded genius
 @H@ñß9ñ [Talking about waste of data do Ubuntu touch have YouTube or other services for v …], Theres no native app atm, you can use the webapp, or web-browser, however someone is, or at least, has been working on a native youtube application.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Theres no native app atm, you can use the webapp, or web-browser, however someon …], Good good good
 @H@ñß9ñ [Talking about waste of data do Ubuntu touch have YouTube or other services for v …], Streaming quality should reflect your device and connection. If in doubt you could use a downloader and select the lowest video resolution listed, then watch offline
 Do I have to build the app too if I want to port it to new device
 I don't understand how port work
 @Stereofont [Streaming quality should reflect your device and connection. If in doubt you cou …], Ok or I can listen as an audio Q&A ubports
 @H@ñß9ñ [Ok or I can listen as an audio Q&A ubports], Yes. Even better. There is an audio only version for all of them. Join the News channel for links
 @ubports_news
 @H@ñß9ñ [Talking about waste of data do Ubuntu touch have YouTube or other services for v …], How should data be saved, YouTube will send you the full stream data, you can just switch between resolutions.
[13:27] <ubptgbot> Yon was added by: Yon
[13:32] <ubptgbot> Stein was added by: Stein
[13:59] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> Anyone running the the pixel 3a would like to now how well it works
 I don't know if @fredldotme has a Pixel group?
 Not yet
[15:30] <ubptgbot> ccarolcc was added by: ccarolcc
 How can I get a Ubuntu phone ( I’m in canada) thank you
 @ccarolcc [How can I get a Ubuntu phone ( I’m in canada) thank you], You can use UBports installer. Check the devices page
 Fwd from Danfro: You are interested if Ubuntu Touch is available for your device? Please go through the following three steps: 1. check https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ if your device is already supported. No? 2. please check the forum if there is a port already worked on: https://forums.ubports.com/category/33/porting. Still a no? The
[15:46] <ubptgbot> n you are left with option 3. you can create a port yourself. Please check the porting docs for some introduction: http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html and http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/index.html. If you (as many others) can not do that, you will either 4. wait for someone to make the port for your device or 5. get a supported d
[15:46] <ubptgbot> evice.
 Thank you!
[15:57] <ubptgbot> Sanskar Vashishtha was added by: Sanskar Vashishtha
[15:59] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> Hey guys! I wanted to try Ubuntu Touch on my old Moto E 3rd gen phone. So how can I go about it can someone please help?
[16:11] <ubptgbot> lucavillano was added by: lucavillano
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/bMkl5wFb.webp
 @Sanskar Vashishtha [Hey guys! I wanted to try Ubuntu Touch on my old Moto E 3rd gen phone. So how ca …], If you scroll up a bit you will see the devices link
 Hello on Redmi S2 cam an GPS dosen't work
 how are you? i have a question for a redme 7a, the video recorder don t work good, when i try to open file that is freeze and i can hear only audio
 not sure i've seen the redmi s2 on the list
 the redmi 7a may have the famous video bug, its up to the porter to fix that
 @lucavillano [how are you? i have a question for a redme 7a, the video recorder don t work goo …], Are you using gsi?
[16:16] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> @Stereofont [If you scroll up a bit you will see the devices link], yeah I already checked the list and moto e3 is not there, that's why I'm seeking help. I found an experimental thing though. Here's the link: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/experimental-wip-ubuntu-touch-15-04-20-01-2016-ubuntu-touch-for-moto-e.3273224/   Sh
[16:16] <ubptgbot> ould/Can I try this?
 thanks were can i find same information about this famous
 @ItsMeShouko [Are you using gsi?], yes, why there is samthing for redmi 7a
 @Sanskar Vashishtha [yeah I already checked the list and moto e3 is not there, that's why I'm seeking …], if it isn't on the list you can follow this guide: https://docs.ubports.com/porting
[16:18] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> @Sanskar Vashishtha [yeah I already checked the list and moto e3 is not there, that's why I'm seeking …], Or the only way around is learning how to port?😅
 @lucavillano [yes, why there is samthing for redmi 7a], Do you have halium-kernel source for it?
 Because one of my friend is interested in porting it
 @lucavillano [yes, why there is samthing for redmi 7a], [Edit] Do you have halium-boot source for it?
 @ItsMeShouko [Do you have halium-boot source for it?], yes halium boot 1.2v
[16:19] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> @Fuseteam [if it isn't on the list you can follow this guide: https://docs.ubports.com/port …], Right
 @Sanskar Vashishtha [Or the only way around is learning how to port?😅], if its not on the list or the ubports forums then, yes that's the only way
 @lucavillano [yes halium boot 1.2v], I am talking about source code, do you have it?
 no :(
[16:19] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> @Fuseteam [if its not on the list or the ubports forums then, yes that's the only way], Alright, thanks!
 @lucavillano [no :(], Can you tell me who ported it for your device?
 @ItsMeShouko [Can you tell me who ported it for your device?], can i contact you personal, because i don t remember now, i found it on xda
 @Sanskar Vashishtha [yeah I already checked the list and moto e3 is not there, that's why I'm seeking …], See the date. 2015. Ancient history
 @lucavillano [can i contact you personal, because i don t remember now, i found it on xda], It's fine, I'll try to contact the dev but I am 99% sure he will not give it and redmi 7a community is notorious for violating gpl
[16:22] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> @Stereofont [See the date. 2015. Ancient history], oh yeah! I just noticed. I should read its comments to see whether it worked for someone or not.
 @Sanskar Vashishtha [oh yeah! I just noticed. I should read its comments to see whether it worked for …], Very old build. UT is entirely different now
 @ItsMeShouko [It's fine, I'll try to contact the dev but I am 99% sure he will not give it and …], i didnt know it sorry
[16:24] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> @Stereofont [Very old build. UT is entirely different now], oh, okay.
[16:28] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> @Fuseteam [if its not on the list or the ubports forums then, yes that's the only way], So, obviously many people must have ported different types of devices. But why are there only 52 of them? Because of its stability and number of people interested in that device?
 @Sanskar Vashishtha [So, obviously many people must have ported different types of devices. But why a …], There where less than ten a year ago. Why? Because it does take up to a year to produce a stable port. Can be faster, can be longer. Often the smaller time consuming issues  stay longer.
[16:36] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> Okay. But seriously, there were not even 10! The community is growing fast it seems.
 True. Gladly there is a lot of porting work going on. Good job done all of you porters! 👍
 looks like dan answered your question
[16:41] <ubptgbot> <Sanskar Vashishtha> yeah he did thanks
 great xD
[17:11] <ubptgbot> Petr Poleno was added by: Petr Poleno
[17:11] <ubptgbot> <Petr Poleno> Hi, is this a good phone to install Ubuntu?    https://aukro.cz/xiaomi-mi-a2-lite-4gb-64gb-gold-moznost-odpoctu-dph-6981652343
 as long as its on the list at devices.ubuntu-touch.io it should be installable
 @Petr Poleno [Hi, is this a good phone to install Ubuntu?    https://aukro.cz/xiaomi-mi-a2-lit …], A2 is supported but I don't think A2 Lite is.
 @Petr Poleno [Hi, is this a good phone to install Ubuntu?    https://aukro.cz/xiaomi-mi-a2-lit …], No, any UB Ports available there. (But someone’s trying to do something with it, but any success)
[17:31] <ubptgbot> <Petr Poleno> @ganomin [No, any UB Ports available there. (But someone’s trying to do something with it, …], So it's a different phone?   https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/jasmine-sprout/
 @Petr Poleno [So it's a different phone?   https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/jasmine-spro …], xiaomi mi a2 is diffrent than mi a2 lite
 but there's unoffical port
 [Edit] but there's a unoffical port
 https://t.me/ubports_porting/70266
 @Petr Poleno [So it's a different phone?   https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/jasmine-spro …], you can compare them on gsmarena
 they have diffrent soc so not compatible with each other
[17:40] <ubptgbot> <Petr Poleno> @just_carlod [xiaomi mi a2 is diffrent than mi a2 lite], Will it work when I install it? Thank you
 @Petr Poleno [Will it work when I install it? Thank you], you need to use GSI
 installer is only for completed ports
[17:43] <ubptgbot> <Petr Poleno> @just_carlod [you need to use GSI], So I have to look at it, GSI what is it? :)
 https://github.com/ubports/porting-notes/wiki/Generic-system-image-(GSI) https://build.lolinet.com/file/halium/GSI/ubports_GSI_installer_v10.zip
 [Edit] https://github.com/ubports/porting-notes/wiki/Generic-system-image-(GSI) https://build.lolinet.com/file/halium/GSI/ubports_GSI_installer_v10.zip - link to download
 you need to flash android 9 rom then flash GSI in recovery(eg twrp) and then flash boot.img in fastboot
 I can't download the file in the morph browser, gives the error «the file can't be written locally due to t...»
 I think, someone should create a list of unofficial and work in progress ports
[17:56] <ubptgbot> <Petr Poleno> @just_carlod [https://github.com/ubports/porting-notes/wiki/Generic-system-image-(GSI) https:/ …], Thanks, I hid it, further depending on how the auction turns out, if not, I'll get the right phone. 👍
 Q&A is 7PM UTC?
 @ItsMeShouko [Can you tell me who ported it for your device?], I think it is by @virginioscotti
 @NotKit [I think it is by @virginioscotti], I asked but it isn't by this person
 I found the dev but he didn't wanted to share source
 extract-ikconfig :)
 @NotKit [extract-ikconfig :)], what's that?
 @just_carlod [Q&A is 7PM UTC?], it is
 @just_carlod [Q&A is 7PM UTC?], [Edit] it is (live now)
 We're live! https://youtu.be/-7NQ1szt7Zk
 oh wait it's QA TIME
 @ItsMeShouko [I found the dev but he didn't wanted to share source], not https://github.com/AkiraNoSushi/kernel_cherry_pine?
[19:08] <ubptgbot> BahramPeymani was added by: BahramPeymani
 @NotKit [I think it is by @virginioscotti], No
 It's ported by Djemil
 (Photo, 1080x111) https://irc.ubports.com/wVXhP01G.png
 Lmao
 Post the UT Q+A there every week /s
 uh
 It's not just for disgusting stuff
 It can be used for general video sharing while making some cash
 Hello everyone. How long is the screen "preparing system for installation. Formatting chache" supposed to last? It's been there for about 10 minutes. Tablet nexus 7 2013 wifi
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], bit off topic tbh, but the sooner the better.
[20:47] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> I just found an LG G5 in my late father-in-law's stuff. Can I put Touch on that?
 you need to port it first
[21:16] <ubptgbot> Dino_Lapaglia was added by: Dino_Lapaglia
[21:59] <ubptgbot> <Paul JL> @Carlod, can you point me to some links?
 documentation is really poor but you can read this https://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html and this https://github.com/ubports/porting-notes/wiki/Halium-9
 is there a command to check battery capacity from the terminal
 not really, no
 i suppose it might be possible to query the repowerd dbus api using `gdbus` but i don't know the specific argument list for doing that
[22:22] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=org.freedesktop.UPower /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_battery org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll string:org.freedesktop.UPower.Device
[22:22] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> but it is []{} answer
 might want to wrap that with ```
[22:23] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> ```does that work?```
[22:23] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> no it does not
[22:23] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> or does it?
 uh, it worked
[22:24] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> ```dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=org.freedesktop.UPower /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_battery org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll string:org.freedesktop.UPower.Device```
[22:24] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> is this noier?
[22:24] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> [Edit] is this nicer?
 yeah, telegram has a habit of changing `--` into an emdash, for example
 Thanks. I'll try that
[22:42] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> ```upower -d``` also shows battery stats
 Thanks. Is there any way to read battery capacity. It has the charge rate but I think the battery is gone but I need to read the capacity level.
[22:45] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> maybe the kernel of your device can show this
 how can I check this? It is a nexus
 5
[22:46] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> no idea. is it in this list?: https://gitlab.com/ernesst/indicator-upower/-/blob/master/indicator/devices.json
 Yes. It is hammerhead
[22:51] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> I guess then ```ls /sys/devices/f9923000.i2c/i2c-84/84-0036/power_supply/battery/``` might show if the info is available
 That lists different options, e.g. health, capacity, temp. Is there a way of checking these. I have tried the above command and adding the option to the end but I don't get a readout
[22:56] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> ls shows the files exist. most of the time you can read their value using cat
[22:58] <ubptgbot> <Willem-Jan de Hoog> for example on my opo I do  … ```phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ cat /sys/devices/qpnp-charger-f6284000/power_supply/battery/charge_now``` … and it says ```5021```
 Thanks that worked
 It says the battery health is good but the phone is not working properly. Keeps shutting down. I will keep digging.
 Hi, I have problem with the fisrt step to halium 9
 repo init -u https://github.com/Halium/android -b halium-9.0 --depth=1 …   File "/home/david/halium/.repo/repo/main.py", line 79 …     file=sys.stderr) …         ^ … SyntaxError: invalid syntax
 which version of python i should use for halium 9
 I work on VM on Ubuntu18.04
 help me please


[17:50] <h00k> Protip. When you have a motorcycle, don't accidentally order pizza for pickup.
[19:47] <mikeputnam> ha
[19:56] <Cheesehead> Class earlier today on how to get a LoCo approved/re-approved: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/07/22/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t16:00
[19:58] <h00k> *useful Tip* Every time you run any event, write up a report on it, and even take a photo, this will help you when it comes to your application as this shows us and tells us how active you are
[19:59] <h00k> ;)
[20:00] <Cheesehead> h00k: <czajkowski> B) Had a team meeting each month - publish the minutes of the meting to a wiki page
[20:00] <Cheesehead> I can do the publishing if somebody else (nudge) will hold the meeting.
[20:01] <h00k> I'll hold one if people attend!
[20:01] <h00k> :D
[20:02] <Cheesehead> I'll show up.
[20:02] <Cheesehead> Maybe
[20:03] <Cheesehead> Depends if I'm in town, of course. Out of town == limited network access
[20:06] <Cheesehead> I might just attend to make cryptic, almost-on-topic, (not rude) comments
[20:07] <Cheesehead> "Say, that seems like a great way to arrange it" while nothing is being discussed, etc.
[20:20]  * Cheesehead noticed that ubuntu-ie has a great Wiki header at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/Toolbox/Wiki/Menu , and is wondering if anyone wants to steal^H^H^H^H^H design one for us
[20:21] <Cheesehead> Later this afternoon, I'm scouting downtown MKE locations for the Sept 2 Ubuntu Hour.
[20:22] <Cheesehead> I'll set it up downtown around 18:00 - no contrary feedback so far.
[20:22] <Cheesehead> I want to see how busy they are Friday after work.
[20:58] <mikeputnam> see also #devmad for you madison developers
[21:00] <h00k> the...this one?
[21:00] <h00k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ie_64_64.png
[21:02] <h00k> Or, the whole header in general.
[21:06] <h00k> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/650236/
[21:11] <h00k> Cheesehead: ^
[21:12] <h00k> I can work that
[21:17] <Cheesehead> h00k: Whole header in general.
[21:18] <Cheesehead> The WI flag adapted to the U logo might turn out a bit...uh...
[21:18] <Cheesehead> Wierd.  There. I said it.
[21:18] <Cheesehead> *Weird
[21:20] <h00k> Cheesehead: the header wiki syntax is in that pastebin above
[21:20] <h00k> I can work that with relevant info into ours.
[21:26] <Cheesehead> h00k: I looked at how they did it before I suggested it. Nice bitesize 1-hour project for any lurkers who want to learn wiki skills.
[21:27] <Cheesehead> h00k: You could ask at the meeting if anyone's interested in contributing it.
[21:27] <Cheesehead> It doesn't need to be done today.
[21:28] <Cheesehead> If you do everything, how can anyone else contribute?
[21:32] <mikeputnam> or conversely if you don't do it yourself no one will
[21:32] <mikeputnam> depends on the context
[21:45] <Cheesehead> mikeputnam: But if nobody will take on such a simple contribution, then is it really a group with common interest?
[21:46]  * Cheesehead rubs his hands. Talking meta-smack can be fun...
[21:51] <Cheesehead> Well, sure it is...but is it a LoCo team?
[21:53]  * Cheesehead wonders why he's answering his own silly meta-questions with more of his own silly meta-questions. He should stop that.
[23:34] <h00k> No, it's true, but it has been a lot of what mikeputnam said
[23:45] <Cheesehead> h00k: Agreed. I've been part of that problem - I dropped off the radar for *four years*.
[23:46] <h00k> Cheesehead: it happens :)
[23:48] <Cheesehead> But now I'm back and do what I can. Just back from scouting a few locations for an Ubuntu Hour.
[23:48] <Cheesehead> I figure I'll keep up the reports and try the UH for 12 months.
[23:49] <Cheesehead> About 8 months in, I'll start pestering the list for a padwan.
[23:49] <Cheesehead> And then turn to other Ubuntu-related interests for the next 12 months or so.
[23:51] <Cheesehead> Recon report: Success. As hoped, both candidate locations were open, and mostly empty.
[23:52] <Cheesehead> Good parking, easy transit and bike access.
[23:52] <Cheesehead> I must choose between the Starbucks and the Panera on the same block.
[23:55] <Cheesehead> I'm leaning toward Starbucks, as the attendee 'I-must-buy-something' perception will be cheaper. Just a cocoa or a muffin instead of a whole meal.
[23:55]  * Cheesehead is torn - he *likes* Panera sandwches...
[23:56] <h00k> Panera, I've heard of tha tplace.
[23:56] <h00k> Never been to on
[23:56] <h00k> e
[23:56] <Cheesehead> They're both just chains.
[23:56] <h00k> yep.
[23:56] <Cheesehead> They both just happen to be in the most convenient location.
[23:57] <h00k> I could do one at a local coffee-shop here, actually.
[23:57] <h00k> There's one that's decent
[23:58] <Cheesehead> The place *I* would prefer is probably inconvenient for everybody else.
[23:58] <h00k> http://www.coffeebeansetc.net/
[23:58] <h00k> And they have Wifi


[02:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-control-center [source] (jammy-proposed) [1:41.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[04:55] <RAOF> Eickmeyer: WRT digikam #2000490 - how much effort would it be to include the test data in the package?
[05:06] <Eickmeyer> RAOF: I mean, it's a git repository on its own. The test data was in the package until the upstream devs arbitrarily decided to remove it prior to beta release.
[05:07] <Eickmeyer> Their entire make script calls "git clone" to get it. >.<
[05:07] <Eickmeyer> Policy-breaching from our end.
[05:07] <RAOF> Could we just do that when building the the source package?
[05:08] <RAOF> We can stash binaries in the source package 😬
[05:09] <Eickmeyer> I mean, ew, and repack, and yikes, but... I suppose. Makes the diff even diffier. XD
[05:10] <Eickmeyer> Would also have to patch the makefile to *not* git clone.
[05:11] <RAOF> I don't think you'd need to repack; source 3.0 can store binaries in the debian diff?
[05:13] <Eickmeyer> I'll look into it, would mean stashing in the debian directory, correct?
[05:15] <RAOF> Dunno, actually.
[05:16] <RAOF> Eickmeyer: Actually, I think `debian/source/include-binaries` is your winner.
[05:17] <RAOF> git clone them to wherever they need to be, list them all in include-binaries
[05:18] <Eickmeyer> Ah, yes. do the git clone part of the make, include the entire directory in include-binaries, then patch the makefile to remove the `git-clone` portion.
[05:18] <Eickmeyer> I think I'm smelling what you're stepping in.
[05:18] <RAOF> It is pungent.
[05:18] <Eickmeyer> XD
[05:19] <RAOF> But perhaps superior to "just disable the testsuite"
[05:19] <Eickmeyer> Yes, perhaps. "Just disable the testsuite" was upstream's recommendation, to which I came back with "yeahhh that breaks our stuff."
[05:20] <Eickmeyer> ...then did it anyway.
[05:20] <RAOF> 🤷♀
[05:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xorg-server [source] (kinetic-proposed) [2:21.1.4-2ubuntu1.4]
[05:23] <Eickmeyer> I'll get to that in the morning, since ERR:Late.
[05:24] <Eickmeyer> RAOF: Hey, while I've got you here, if you've got a chance, I've got edubuntu-installer hanging out in NEW that could use some love. It's not a system installer, just a metapackage installer for the revival my wife and I are doing of Edubuntu. A couple other components coming later, but this one's been sitting for a bit.
[05:24] <RAOF> 👍
[05:24] <RAOF> Sure, I'll poke it with a stick.
[05:28] <Eickmeyer> 👍
[05:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xorg-server [source] (jammy-proposed) [2:21.1.3-2ubuntu2.6]
[05:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: gnome-shell-extension-alphabetical-grid (lunar-proposed/primary) [26.0-0ubuntu1]
[06:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: bacula (jammy-proposed/primary) [9.6.7-5~22.04.1]
[06:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected digikam [source] (kinetic-proposed) [4:8.0.0~+beta1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[06:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted edubuntu-installer [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.1]
[06:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: edubuntu-installer [amd64] (lunar-proposed/none) [0.1] (no packageset)
[09:05] <LocutusOfBorg> hello ubuntu-archive, please drop missing build on riscv64: chibicc (from 0+git20220719+ds-1)
[09:05] <LocutusOfBorg> NBS in proposed on riscv64
[09:08] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, hey, removed
[09:11] <LocutusOfBorg> merci bien Séb!
[09:12] <seb128> de rien !
[09:14] <seb128> sil2100, hey there! :)
[09:14] <seb128> sil2100, any idea why https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/lunar/ubuntu doesn't include arm64 builds?
[09:15] <sil2100> seb128: so re: the arm64 ubuntu images - we disabled those builds as well, we never really did anything with them, they were just being built but we never tested or actually consume them (and from what I knew, they were broken)
[09:15] <sil2100> seb128: at least the old ubuntu arm64 ones
[09:16] <sil2100> seb128: since this is now building the new installer images, I can switch them on now once again if you think it makes sense
[09:16] <seb128> sil2100, you mean? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/kinetic/ubuntu had arm64 builds
[09:16] <seb128> sil2100, the reason I'm asking is because http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/ has an outdated arm64 iso, so we either need to remove it or to get it updated
[09:16] <sil2100> Yes, but we never did anything with those arm64 images in the past, they were all experimental, something that I think Dimitri added at some point in time
[09:17] <sil2100> seb128: does it make sense to build arm64 new-installer images? Do you know?
[09:17] <seb128> I don't really know. We have a special image for raspi? or how do people install a pi desktop?
[09:18] <sil2100> We do have preinstalled desktop pi images
[09:18] <seb128> right
[09:18] <sil2100> Since that was the way we provided pi desktop images - the arm64 ubiquity ones were uh, I think added by Dimitri because he had some arm64 laptop at some point IIRC
[09:18] <seb128> we keep talking about 'arm based laptops becoming reality' for years, but I don't know how true that is today
[09:18] <sil2100> seb128: ok, let me clear out the old arm64 images then
[09:19] <seb128> sil2100, thanks, we can always enable it later if there is demand
[09:19] <sil2100> But in case you hear somewhere we should try building the arm64 installer images again (but with the new installer), just give me a poke
[09:19] <seb128> 👍
[09:19] <sil2100> I'd be worried that right now they'd FTBFS
[09:19] <seb128> thanks!
[09:20] <seb128> right, well we could try if we want to know the status
[09:20] <seb128> but as you said we don't have hardware and wouldn't be able to do much with those anyway
[09:20] <seb128> so let's not waste efforts or something which has little use
[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kgeotag [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.3.1-1] (no packageset)
[09:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (bionic-proposed/main) [1.173.2~18.04.1 => 1.187.2~18.04.1] (core) (sync)
[09:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-signed (focal-proposed/main) [1.173.4 => 1.187.2~20.04.2] (core) (sync)
[09:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (bionic-proposed/main) [2.04-1ubuntu47.4 => 2.06-2ubuntu14] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (focal-proposed/main) [2.04-1ubuntu47.5 => 2.06-2ubuntu14] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (focal-proposed/main) [2.04-1ubuntu47.5 => 2.06-2ubuntu12] (no packageset) (sync)
[09:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kgeotag [arm64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.3.1-1] (no packageset)
[09:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hippotat [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.1.7] (no packageset)
[09:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hippotat [armhf] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.1.7] (no packageset)
[09:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hippotat [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.1.7] (no packageset)
[09:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hippotat [s390x] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.1.7] (no packageset)
[09:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hippotat [arm64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.1.7] (no packageset)
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: kgeotag [armhf] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.3.1-1] (no packageset)
[10:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected grub2-unsigned [sync] (focal-proposed) [2.06-2ubuntu12]
[10:14] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, if we restore kamailio  5.6.2-1build2 we can let protobuf migrate next run
[10:14] <LocutusOfBorg> and then go back to  5.6.2-1build3
[10:14] <LocutusOfBorg> what do you think?
[10:15]  * LocutusOfBorg unless Britney thinks otherwise
[10:15] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, what do you mean 'restore'? that's the version in lunar
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> build2 is built against protobuf, but not against qtbase .8
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> so if we restore build1 for one britney run, we can disentangle protobuf/libphonenumber with qtbase and perl and python
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> and then copy-back
[10:16] <seb128> you said build2 and not build1
[10:16] <seb128> I'm lost
[10:17] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, if we restore kamailio  5.6.2-1build2 we can let protobuf migrate next run
[10:17] <LocutusOfBorg> and then go back to  5.6.2-1build3
[10:17] <seb128> restore were? that version is in lunar
[10:17] <seb128> you mean delete 5.6.2-1build3 from proposed?
[10:17] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm lost too, sorry
[10:18] <seb128> but I don't see any mention of kamailio blocking protobuf on
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> I was sure build1 was in lunar
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> kamailio is blocking via libphonenumber?
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> but protobuf is not ready so britney is not calculating it?
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> if it goes in, even better
[10:19] <LocutusOfBorg> I want grpc/protobuf to go in
[10:19] <seb128> protobuf status is currently waiting on s390x test results for mysql-8.0 and protobuf itself
[10:19] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#protobuf doesn't tell us about other potential problems for now
[10:20] <LocutusOfBorg> the tests are done
[10:20] <LocutusOfBorg> this is why I want it to migrate on next britney run
[10:20] <seb128> but the excuses page isn't refreshed so it's hard ot guess what britney will raise next
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg> yep, and the notest output is foo
[10:23] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, so you think that deleting kamailio is going to help?
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg> I guess so, but I'm not sure sorry
[10:23] <LocutusOfBorg> I fail to parse britney :D
[10:23] <seb128> I don't understand why it would
[10:24] <seb128> either kamailio needs to be rebuilt for the new protobuf and it is needed
[10:24] <seb128> or it doesn't but then why it block migration?
[10:24] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe you are right
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> this is what I see on protobuf
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> Implicit dependency: protobuf libphonenumber
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> and on phonenumber: Implicit dependency: libphonenumber kamailio
[10:26] <seb128> I don't think deleting if would remove the depends though
[10:32] <RikMills> LocutusOfBorg: s/kamailio/kitinerary ?
[10:33] <LocutusOfBorg> yes also :D
[10:33] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, kitinerary 22.12.1-0ubuntu1 and then copy back 22.12.1-0ubuntu2 if protobuf goes in
[10:33] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[10:38] <seb128> I've a feeling protobuf isn't as close of migrating that you would like at this point :-/
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: analizo [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [1.25.4-2] (no packageset)
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg> sad
[12:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [i386] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.64.0+dfsg1-1~exp2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[12:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [armhf] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.64.0+dfsg1-1~exp2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[12:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.64.0+dfsg1-1~exp2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[12:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [amd64] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.64.0+dfsg1-1~exp2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[12:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [s390x] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.64.0+dfsg1-1~exp2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[12:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: dotnet7 [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [7.0.101-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[13:28] <LocutusOfBorg> ok perl might be mostly ready for migration
[13:29] <LocutusOfBorg> for python3-defaults, lots of implicit dependencies are out of debian testing
[13:29] <LocutusOfBorg> can't we just remove them, to have a better view?
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [arm64] (lunar-proposed/main) [1.64.0+dfsg1-1~exp2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfs-linux (jammy-proposed/main) [2.1.4-0ubuntu0.1 => 2.1.5-1ubuntu6~22.04.1] (core, kernel-dkms)
[14:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r8168 (jammy-proposed/multiverse) [8.049.02-1ubuntu1 => 8.049.02-1ubuntu1.1] (kernel-dkms)
[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r8125 (jammy-proposed/multiverse) [9.007.01-3 => 9.007.01-3ubuntu0.1] (no packageset)
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: oss4 (jammy-proposed/universe) [4.2-build2010-5ubuntu9 => 4.2-build2010-5ubuntu9.1] (kernel-dkms)
[14:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sysdig (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.27.1-0.3build1 => 0.27.1-0.3ubuntu0.1] (kernel-dkms)
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lttng-modules (jammy-proposed/universe) [2.13.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.13.1-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kernel-dkms)
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: broadcom-sta (jammy-proposed/multiverse) [<IP_ADDRESS>1-17 => <IP_ADDRESS>1-23~22.04.1] (kernel-dkms)
[15:07] <LocutusOfBorg> why is britney notest run empty log file?
[15:08] <LocutusOfBorg> it takes one hour to run, and results in an empty file?
[16:29] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: the notest log has a start and end time, and update_output_notest.txt itself is not empty
[16:31] <ginggs> is there something missing?
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> once it was full of information
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> like what would have migrated if tests were hinted
[16:42] <RikMills> LocutusOfBorg: this? https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output_notest.txt
[16:46] <RikMills> or the one here: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/lunar/
[16:59] <LocutusOfBorg> LOL
[17:00] <LocutusOfBorg> I was looking at the wrong file!
[17:00] <LocutusOfBorg> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/log/lunar/2023-01-18/
[17:00] <LocutusOfBorg> this one
[17:00] <LocutusOfBorg> its always 68 bytes
[17:00] <LocutusOfBorg> and back of some years ago, before britney was updated, it used to contain the log as the other one
[17:17] <ginggs> would someone please reject the dotnet7 binaries from lunar NEW?
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: debvm [amd64] (lunar-proposed/none) [0.2] (no packageset)
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: backport-iwlwifi-dkms (jammy-proposed/universe) [9858-0ubuntu3.1 => 9858-0ubuntu3.2] (no packageset)
[18:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-unsigned [sync] (focal-proposed) [2.06-2ubuntu14]
[18:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-signed [sync] (focal-proposed) [1.187.2~20.04.2]
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected grub2-unsigned [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.04-1ubuntu47.5]
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected grub2 [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu8.25]
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected grub2-signed [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.173.4~18.04.1]
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-unsigned [sync] (bionic-proposed) [2.06-2ubuntu14]
[18:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-signed [sync] (bionic-proposed) [1.187.2~18.04.1]
[18:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted alsa-ucm-conf [source] (kinetic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu4]
[18:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted alsa-ucm-conf [source] (jammy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1.3]
[20:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dnsmasq (jammy-proposed/main) [2.86-1.1ubuntu0.1 => 2.86-1.1ubuntu0.2] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[20:33] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: fyi https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029171
[20:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1029171 in ftp.debian.org "RM: muon -- ROM; Abandoned upstream" [Normal, Open]
[20:34] <RikMills> wrong channel :/
[20:36] <Eickmeyer> *sigh*
[21:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: dotnet7 [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [7.0.101-0ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted analizo [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [1.25.4-2]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hippotat [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [1.1.7]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hippotat [armhf] (lunar-proposed) [1.1.7]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hippotat [s390x] (lunar-proposed) [1.1.7]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kgeotag [arm64] (lunar-proposed) [1.3.1-1]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted tuxguitar [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [1.5.6+dfsg1-1]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted debvm [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [0.2]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hippotat [ppc64el] (lunar-proposed) [1.1.7]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kgeotag [armhf] (lunar-proposed) [1.3.1-1]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hippotat [arm64] (lunar-proposed) [1.1.7]
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kgeotag [amd64] (lunar-proposed) [1.3.1-1]
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: Thanks to RAOF for approving edubuntu-installer! Any chance we can get the binary package approved? It's completely clean.
[23:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: bpython [amd64] (lunar-proposed/none) [0.24-1] (no packageset)
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: manpages-l10n [amd64] (lunar-proposed/universe) [4.17.0-1] (no packageset)


[00:16] <nikrud> pici, I've been trying to remember exactly what that string did, but can't remember exactly. Just that it was bad
[00:17] <Pici> nikrud: forkbomb
[00:17] <nikrud> ah, yes thanks
[02:56]  * elkbuntu hunts for a staffer
[02:56] <elkbuntu> they're all /away :(
[02:57] <nickrud> sounds like time to play :)
[02:58] <elkbuntu> dont go giving the log watchers ideas
[03:01] <Madpilot> is this channel publicly logged now? It didn't used to be...
[03:02] <nickrud> has been for a long time.
[03:02] <Madpilot> haven't been a daily IRC victim in... almost a long time... :)
[03:02] <nickrud> and you've been missed
[03:03] <Madpilot> I'm sure your aim will improve.
[03:03]  * nickrud provides a very snappy rimshot
[04:24] <Hobbsee> SportChick: where busy meant 'asleep', yes.
[04:28] <elkbuntu> you dont do 4am anymore? :Þ
[04:29]  * ajmitch can't imagine that Hobbsee only just woke up
[04:29] <elkbuntu> i can.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i try not to.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i didn't, actually.  i was studying earlier.
[04:29] <ajmitch> an even worse fate
[04:29] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:30]  * ajmitch was working earlier, bugs are evil
[04:30] <elkbuntu> <3 public holidays
[04:30]  * ajmitch had that last monday
[04:30] <elkbuntu> except for public holiday surcharges on pizza delivery :(
[04:30] <Hobbsee> awww
[04:31] <nickrud> heh. Discounts on holidays, more traffic that way
[04:35] <nickrud> !staff
[04:35] <elkbuntu> ?
[04:35] <nickrud> we have a spamming advertiser cpe-74-71-140-20.twcny.res.rr.com
[04:36] <nickrud> elkbuntu got lost in alt-tab ;)
[04:47] <nickrud> why has the ban tracker started including as a separate ban (unless I'm misreading something)
[05:11] <Madpilot> the floodbots announce !netsplit now, to save humans the trouble.  I told him I'd note it on ban tracker, and if he never did it again, it's water under the bridge
[05:28] <Myrtti> /me sighs
[05:28] <Myrtti> [04:28] < DIL> hey admins why am i getting spam from grilled_pupusa
[05:29] <nickrud> how long ago was that?
[05:29] <nickrud> I don't have utc in xchat
[05:29] <Myrtti> just now
[05:30] <Myrtti> several complaints
[05:30] <nickrud> ok, he's gone I guess
[05:31] <Myrtti> these spambots are getting annoying
[05:32] <nickrud> heh. I actually talked with him, didn't seem a bot
[05:32] <Myrtti> I wonder if he was a mIRC user
[05:32] <Myrtti> we do have those too
[05:33] <nickrud> script kiddies are so ...
[05:33] <Myrtti> might be an infection :-<
[05:34] <Myrtti> [04:33] [freenode] ***    #ubuntu <Grilled_Pupusa2> H   0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:34] <Myrtti> that's from /who
[05:35] <nickrud> gack, I do _not_ want to learn all this !@!.* stuff ;( . This is a pain !!! Trolls and scripties and spammers take all the fun out of this
[05:37] <nickrud> I come here to decompress from my real help job.
[06:02] <Madpilot> spike on #u has more than enough rope
[06:02] <Myrtti> lagging
[06:03] <Madpilot> gone. idiot.
[06:03] <Myrtti> thanks Madpilot
[06:03] <Madpilot> np
[06:03] <nickrud> glad someone else made that call
[06:03] <Myrtti> I lagged :-(
[06:35] <elkbuntu> Madpilot hasnt been around enough with the new atmosphere to get scared off acting yet
[06:36] <Madpilot> I have been purposefully avoiding all the new drama.
[06:36]  * nickrud provides snappy drumroll for elkbuntu
[06:36] <Madpilot> historonics and flaunting off don't really solve a d*mn thing.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: hopefully it changes.
[06:37] <Madpilot> hopefully. in the meantime, I shall remain old-school. Kickbans ahoy, and damn the emos!
[06:37] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, we know. it's others who do not.
[06:38] <Myrtti> if the oldschool way of doing things is doing kickBANs straight away...
[06:39] <Madpilot> well, no. My version of oldschool is "give them more than enough rope, then do the obvious with it."
[06:39] <Myrtti> good good.
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: heh :)
[06:46] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, Madpilot was always one of the best. you should remember!
[06:46] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, you flatter. I'm just blunter than most. :)
[06:46] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, is your dear brother still cursing himself for introducing you to ubuntu?
[06:47] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, likely, yes
[06:47] <Myrtti> I've had to readjust my thinking about several people lately... :-<
[06:47] <elkbuntu> excellent. keep up the good work
[06:47]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti
[07:09] <Madpilot> need sleep. later, all.
[08:14] <jussi01> morning alll
[08:16]  * jussi01 tickles Myrtti
[08:31] <elkbuntu> leave her sleep :Þ
[08:36] <jussi01> elkbuntu: ahh, cmon its like 1030 am here...
[08:39] <elkbuntu> i dont know if she's awake or not. i had the impression she was sleeping
[08:41] <jussi01> elkbuntu: did you see the latest pic of my little guy: http://lifematta.com/jussi01/photo/11149 :D :D
[08:42] <elkbuntu> awww
[08:43] <jussi01> :)
[10:55] <Myrtti> woo. I just formatted my system underneath me
[10:55] <Myrtti> ♥ backups
[12:16] <jrib> !ask
[12:20] <jrib> great, remote conversations with the bot... I agree with emma
[12:28] <bazhang> alteregoa bears watching
[12:28] <Daviey> :(
[12:29] <popey> tis true
[12:29] <popey> !popey
[12:29] <popey> see
[12:30] <Pici> in #ubuntu-ussr ubottu abuses you.
[12:30] <Daviey> heh
[12:33] <jussi01> !fail | Daviey
[12:33] <Pici> !test | jussi01
[12:33] <jussi01> oh, i didnt add it here
[12:34] <jussi01> !fail | Daviey
[12:34] <Daviey> failing to use the !fail factoid against someone is !epicfail
[12:34] <jussi01> it delayed,but meh
[13:11]  * Pici shakes his head
[13:12] <Myrtti> multifail.
[13:12] <Pici> Good morning/afternoon
[13:14] <Seeker`> morning
[13:14] <Daviey> Seeker`: evening
[13:31] <Myrtti> *hum*
[13:32] <Seeker`> Myrtti: ?
[13:32] <Myrtti> nuthin...
[13:32] <Myrtti> just... bored and trying to distract myself a bit by doing work and ircing
[13:33] <Seeker`> fair ennough
[13:36] <Myrtti> painkillers and backups ♥
[14:26] <Pici> brubelsabs: Please ignore the message, ubottu is a bot and it thought you were making a factoid suggestion
[14:41] <Pici> elkbuntu: I somehow flubbed the /cs info ##ubuntu and got confused.  Anyway looks like a staffer owns ##ubuntu and has to fowarded to #ubuntu
[14:42] <elkbuntu> Pici, yes. staffers get to choose to do that sort of stuff if it's logical
[14:54] <ikonia> Mez: you fixed another security bug
[14:54] <Mez> ikonia, I did?
[14:54] <ikonia> Mez: just got a security update ;)
[14:54] <Myrtti> teehee
[14:54] <Mez> oh... yeah - the latest XSS bull****
[14:54] <ikonia> yup
[14:54] <Mez> I fecking HATE opera ;)
[14:55] <ikonia> descrdescription doesn't say it's just opera
[14:55] <ikonia> description even
[14:55] <ikonia> darn lag
[14:55] <Myrtti> tuttut, it was a good browser when there wasn't firebird
[14:55] <Myrtti> and even still, when there isn't gecko
[14:55] <Mez> The recent discovery of an obscure method in which to expose a cross-site scripting (XSS) error in vBulletin when using specific browser software means that it is necessary to release Patch Level (PL) versions of both 3.7.1 and 3.6.10.
[14:55] <Myrtti> s/isn't/isn't even/
[14:56] <Mez> ikonia, it's not limited to Opera - but it's the one with the most issues ;)
[14:56] <ikonia> a
[14:56] <ikonia> ah
[15:52] <Hobbsee> mneptok: *poke*
[16:07]  * Hobbsee invokes the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[16:07]  * Hobbsee uses it on mneptok
[16:08] <Seeker`> :O
[16:09] <Myrtti> oh noes
[16:09] <Myrtti> its a hobbsee
[16:09] <Hobbsee> IT IZ!
[16:09]  * Hobbsee MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
[16:09] <Myrtti> MWHAHAHAHA
[16:11]  * jussi01 calls down the shiny hampster of doom on Hobbsee
[16:11] <jussi01> :D
[16:11] <Myrtti> oh jussi01 did you see the summer cottage pix?
[16:12] <Hobbsee> jussi01: fail.
[16:12] <jussi01> Myrtti: huh?
[16:12] <Myrtti> jussi01: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2560570507/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2560851723/ <-- :->
[16:13] <jussi01> Myrtti: :D
[16:13] <Myrtti> I told daddy he could make those and sell them
[16:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Myrtti That is so cute
[16:15] <Jack_Sparrow> NIce to see you love your critters the way we do
[16:20] <PriceChild> I want an ubuntu netbook.
[16:23] <Myrtti> NB. If someone asks what has happened to the Finnish mirrors, FUNET is having a maintanence of their router connecting to nic.funet.fi == fi.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:26] <ikonia> PriceChild: a what....
[16:27] <Seeker`> lo ikonia
[16:27] <ikonia> hello
[16:27] <PriceChild> My phone company is turning off WAP....
[16:28] <PriceChild> ikonia: have I gotten the name wrong?
[16:28] <Hobbsee> you didn't want it anyway...
[16:28] <ikonia> PriceChild: I don't know....what is it ?
[16:28] <PriceChild> nope i didn't... netbook
[16:28] <ikonia> a netbook ?
[16:28] <PriceChild> ikonia: see planet
[16:28]  * ikonia googles
[16:28] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I dooo!!!!! It uses up my free calltime!
[16:30] <Seeker`> PriceChild: what network?
[16:31] <ikonia> PriceChild: I'm not told by it
[16:31] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: no you don't.
[16:32] <PriceChild> t-mobile
[16:32] <ikonia> s/told/sold
[16:32] <PriceChild> just got a text giving me a url and telling me internet access is changing june 9th... which is a bit annoying
[16:32] <PriceChild> oh wait no, july
[16:33] <Hobbsee> oh, i always like that
[16:33]  * PriceChild is sitting outside on grass in *amazing* sun and finds it hard to read phone/laptop
[16:33]  * Hobbsee has received uni mail, which is dated on their system as the 10th of july, which requests it be returned by the 10th of july, at 5pm.  and then they mail it.
[16:33] <Hobbsee> as in, paper mail it.
[18:13] <donald_duck> y am i banned
[18:13] <jussi01> donald_duck: from where?
[18:13] <donald_duck> ubuntu
[18:13] <donald_duck> #ubutnu
[18:14] <jussi01> donald_duck: 1 moment please
[18:14] <jussi01> @btlogin
[18:15] <jussi01> donald_duck: Under this nick?
[18:16] <donald_duck> yeah
[18:17] <donald_duck> i used a name pottytheshitter and some op told me to change it and i did and i entered as donald duck
[18:17] <donald_duck> then i left my computer for 15 mins and then i was banned
[18:17] <jussi01> donald_duck: Please wait a moment - Im looking at logs
[18:20] <jussi01> donald_duck: From the logs Im not sure what happened - you wil need to wait for the op who banned you (Jack_Sparrow)
[18:21] <donald_duck> and wat did i do
[18:21] <jpds> ...who just left
[18:21] <Pici> donald_duck: We dont know, you'll need to speak with the operator that banned you.
[18:22] <donald_duck> ok i g2g though
[18:22] <Pici> Maybe jack didnt see that I unmuted the guy?
[18:23] <jussi01> Maybe.
[19:18] <Seeker`> why does jack always leave just after he has banned someone?
[19:20] <jussi01> Jack is strange... :P
[19:51] <PriceChild> My irc timestamps match my laptops.... something is wrong :/
[19:56] <Daviey> damn that ntp
[20:15] <jpds> long live nptd
[21:02] <Myrtti> incoming
[21:04] <Myrtti> I hope
[21:07] <Myrtti> hello stemount^
[21:07] <stemount^> hi
[21:07] <Myrtti> I guess you're having a boring evening
[21:08] <stemount^> not necessarily
[21:08] <Myrtti> would you mind explaining what on EARTH shortcircuited when you decided it would be a good idea to suggest "recursive removal magic" at #ubuntu?
[21:09] <stemount^> I didn't suggest it to everyone :-/
[21:09] <stemount^> why would I want everyone to trash their linux
[21:10] <stemount^> but like I say, you have the right to do it and I'm not complaining like I bet you get abuse in here all the time
[21:10] <Myrtti> say, what?
[21:10] <Myrtti> You didn't suggest it to anyone?
[21:10] <Seeker`> stemount^: I think the question of "why would you want everyone to trash theit linux" is what Myrtti wants you to answer
[21:10] <Myrtti> then, what is this?
[21:10] <Myrtti> 20:00  >>> stemount^ recommends "sudo rm -rf /" to all hackers
[21:10] <stemount^> I said to all hackers, I didn't suggest it to everyone
[21:10] <Seeker`> depends on how you define hackers
[21:11] <stemount^> as in malicious computer hackers
[21:11] <Myrtti> why would hackers want to trash their Linuxes?
[21:11] <Myrtti> those would be crackers.
[21:11] <Seeker`> also, saying it in a channel where people might not know what the command does is a bad idea
[21:11] <Myrtti> there is no reason whatsoever to ever ever EVER say that
[21:12] <Myrtti> especially on #ubuntu
[21:12] <stemount^> ok; well now I know i've done bad - just lets drop it, I've crossed the line and think I deserve my punishment
[21:12] <Myrtti> jolly good.
[21:12] <Myrtti> what timezone are you in?
[21:13] <Seeker`> BST
[21:13] <Myrtti> I'm on EEST, that means its 2315 here soon
[21:13] <Myrtti> so come back 12 hours from now, and I'll remove the ban
[21:14] <Myrtti> or just plainly in the morning
[21:14] <Myrtti> whichever comes first for you
[21:14] <Seeker`> Myrtti: I reckon its 2115 where he is
[21:15] <Myrtti> doesn't matter, it's roughly about a good time
[21:15] <stemount^> yeah - BST here
[21:15] <ompaul> stemount^, so drop by tomorrow
[21:16] <stemount^> and Myrtti - OK that sounds fair
[21:16] <stemount^> progging delayed reply - i wasn't ignoring you
[21:16] <Myrtti> yup
[21:16] <Myrtti> thanks for co-operation
[21:17] <stemount^> np
[21:17] <stemount^> so I presume the non-voice people are the sinners?
[21:17] <stemount^> except ubuntulog / ubottu
[21:18] <stemount^> I've never ever been through this before the whole 3 years I've been idling in #ubuntu :/
[21:19] <Myrtti> stemount^: nope, they're hanging out and helping us around
[21:19] <jussi01> heya Myrtti
[21:19] <Myrtti> stemount^: come back tomorrow and I'll check your ban then
[21:19] <Myrtti> jussi01: hiya dearie
[21:20] <jussi01> !dle | stemount^
[21:20] <jussi01> !idle | stemount^
[21:21]  * stemount^ boots self
[21:25] <donald_duck> is that sparrow guy here
[21:25] <Myrtti> sorry, no luck
[21:26] <donald_duck> wow
[21:26] <mDemocritus> i'm a bit confused... i've been apparently banned from #ubuntu-offtopic, and i have no clue why...
[21:27] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-offtopic: ban<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:27] <Myrtti> not you, the whole mibbit
[21:27] <mneptok> Hobbsee: eep.
[21:27] <mDemocritus> Myrtti: ouch... that sucks.
[21:28] <mDemocritus> Myrtti: stupid idiots that have nothing better to do than spam -offtopic?
[21:28] <Myrtti> basically yes
[21:28] <mDemocritus> that's irritating as heck....
[21:29] <mDemocritus> i just found out about mibbit too.... are there any other web-based irc clients? i can't install anything on this machine...
[21:29] <PriceChild> mDemocritus: java.freenode.net iirc
[21:29] <mneptok> mDemocritus: does "this machine" have a JavaVM?
[21:30] <mDemocritus> mneptok: i believe so... thanks for the tip, PriceChild
[21:30]  * juliux waves to mneptok and ompaul
[21:30]  * ompaul grabs a glass of coke and throws it over to juliux
[21:31] <donald_duck> is it all right to idle here while i wait for sparrow
[21:31] <juliux> ompaul: bahhh
[21:32] <juliux> ompaul: beer pls;)
[21:32] <ompaul> juliux, it is after 9pm I suppose have two
[21:32] <juliux> hehe
[21:32] <ompaul> @btlogin
[21:33] <ompaul> donald_duck, it would be better if you used the nick that got you banned
[21:33] <donald_duck> this is the name
[21:33] <Flare183> before I use the ops command on the bot i would like for you guys to talk to Thecool1
[21:33] <Flare183> please
[21:34] <Flare183> he is pming me and telling me to call the ops
[21:34] <Seeker`> what is he saying to you?
[21:34] <ompaul> donald_duck, ehh I checked the logs
[21:35] <ompaul> you are not being right andyour nick is rather disrespectful for others around
[21:35] <Flare183> Seeker`: call the ops, repeatly
[21:35] <ompaul> !guidelines | donald_duck  go away, read this documentation come back some other time when Jack is around
[21:36] <Flare183> Thanks Myrtti
[21:36] <Flare183> Myrtti: He stopped
[21:36] <ompaul> donald_duck, and to be honest I could do /nick just-to-annoy-everyone-i'll-call-myself-something-dodgy
[22:03] <mneptok> @btlogin


[03:00] <mrand> kirsten: test
[03:20] <mrand> !help | zinn
[03:20] <Zinn> zinn: For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[04:02] <unique> i set up my videos directory for /home/movies/Videos and i have one .avi divx file
[04:02] <unique> but when i go to view my videos library i dont see any files
[04:02] <unique> any ideas why is it doing this?
[04:04] <unique> for File Selector Filter i have *.mpg and *.mov *.avi
[04:09] <hads> Did you scan for changes?
[04:25] <unique> how do i scan for changes?
[04:27] <unique> oh W
[04:27] <unique> but why is it not fullscreen
[04:27] <unique> the aspect ration is so small on my tv
[04:27] <unique> can i change it somehow?
[04:33] <hads> m for menu then select scan for changes.
[05:25] <groogs> I'm having issues with the remote with a PVR-150 (non MCE version).  It was working yesterday, but not today.  since yesterday, i added the autobuilds repository, but looking back it looks like everything is the same version
[05:25] <groogs> kernel is 2.6.31-14-generic
[05:26] <groogs> lirc 0.8.6-0ubuntu2
[05:27] <groogs> yesterday, in syslog, i can see  lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, major 61      lirc_i2c: chip 0x10020 found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge PVR150)    .. today i only get the lirc_dev line, and there is no /dev/lirc0
[05:29] <groogs> any ideas on where to go from here?
[05:36] <groogs> comment on bug #442316 - "Mythstream is no longer supported in mythbuntu 9.10" .. is that a temporary thing, while mythstream is updated to 0.22, or is something else going on?
[05:36] <Zinn> Bug 442316 in mythbuntu "Mythbuntu 9.10 Beta Mythstream missing." [Undecided, Invalid] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/442316
[05:36] <rhpot1991> I think mirobridge is your replacement
[05:39] <groogs> interesting, i will check that out ..
[05:39] <groogs> tho it doesn't look like it has streaming radio (eg shoutcast) support
[05:39] <groogs> (THAT is an area sorely missing in almost all PVR software)
[07:52] <Technophil> Can anyone suggest how I might get http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7232 re-opened?  The New Zealand DVB-T HDHomerun scans are crashing in fixes 22824.  Is DanielK here?
[07:56] <hads> danielk doesn't hang out here.
[07:56] <hads> Commenting on the ticket will send an email
[07:58] <hads> to a mailing list which he should see
[08:00] <Technophil> Are you on that email list hads?
[08:00] <Technophil> There is a comment there so hopefully it went thru
[08:04] <hads> http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/2009-November/060418.html
[08:07] <Technophil> Thank you Hads.
[08:09] <hads> np
[12:53] <mrand> superm1: see groogs above about losing his PVR-150 after adding auto-builds.  Coincidence?
[13:13] <linxeh> I've got an ubuntu 9.10 system - can I just install the mythbuntu package ?
[13:18] <mrand> linxeh: yes, you should be able to simply install mythbuntu-control-centre and it will give you some radio buttons to enable whatever you'd like.
[13:19] <linxeh> I'm installing the mythbuntu-desktop metapackage etm
[13:19] <linxeh> atm
[13:21] <linxeh> the box is going to be a combined frontend/backend box for now anyway
[13:21] <linxeh> with some other things on there
[17:36] <unique> is it possible for me to remove the Watch Recordings out of my MythTV GUI ?
[17:36] <unique> when i go in Media Library I do not want to see Watch Recordings
[17:36] <unique> since i do not have TV plugged in my MythTV
[17:36] <unique> i am only using Mythbuntu to watch my divx/xvid movies
[18:36] <unique> so im trying to configure my shutdown/reboot.. and i have show quit and shutdown and then for Halt command i have halt... but my computer is still not turning off
[18:36] <unique> i even tried shutdown -h now
[18:36] <unique> and thats not responding either
[18:49] <unique> i even tried sudo halt
[20:10] <dragon_reborn> hi all
[20:11] <dragon_reborn> I have just upgraded from 9.04 to mythbuntu 9.10 and now my movies are not playing, what do I need to do to fix this?
[20:18] <tgm4883> dragon_reborn, probably start by telling us what kind of movies
[20:18] <dragon_reborn> .avi
[20:19] <tgm4883> error messages?
[20:19] <dragon_reborn> nope, just a black screen
[20:19] <tgm4883> most likely, you need to install proprietary codecs
[20:19] <tgm4883> which you can do via MCC
[20:19] <dragon_reborn> I have done that, do I need to restart the server to activate the prop codecs?
[20:20] <tgm4883> no
[20:20] <tgm4883> can you play them outside of mythtv?
[20:20] <dragon_reborn> yes if I use VLC they play fine
[20:20] <tgm4883> Are you using mythvideo storage groups?
[20:21] <tgm4883> !logs | dragon_reborn
[20:21] <Zinn> dragon_reborn: MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[20:24] <dragon_reborn> does this help?
[20:24] <dragon_reborn>  Software: AVI-Mux GUI 1.17.8, Aug 30 2008  12:36:58
[20:24] <dragon_reborn> [20:24] <dragon_reborn> Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
[20:24] <dragon_reborn> Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
[20:24] <dragon_reborn> [20:24] <dragon_reborn> [20:24] <dragon_reborn> Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3
[20:24] <dragon_reborn> AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/8.33% (ratio: 16000->192000)
[20:24] <dragon_reborn> Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3)
[20:24] <dragon_reborn> [20:25] <dragon_reborn> [pulse] working around probably broken pause functionality,
[20:25] <dragon_reborn>         see http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/440
[20:25] <dragon_reborn> AO: [pulse] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
[20:25] <dragon_reborn> Starting playback...
[20:25] <dragon_reborn> [mpeg4 @ 0x5880ae0]Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected
[20:25] <dragon_reborn> VDec: vo config request - 656 x 272 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12)
[20:25] <dragon_reborn> VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0)
[20:25] <dragon_reborn> Movie-Aspect is 2.41:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect.
[20:25] <dragon_reborn> VO: [xv] 656x272 => 656x272 Planar YV12  [fs] [zoom]
[20:25] <hads> Umm, pastebin.
[20:26] <tgm4883> no
[20:26] <tgm4883> in fact, if you do that again I will ban you
[20:26] <tgm4883> !pastebin | dragon_reborn
[20:26] <Zinn> dragon_reborn: when pasting more than 5 lines of data please use http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you don't flood the channel.  Then please post the link in the channel.
[20:26] <dragon_reborn> sorry I forgot to mention that I am a complete newbie so I am not that fimiliar with how to collect the logs
[20:26] <hads> !logs
[20:26] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[20:27] <tgm4883> it freakin tells you right there?
[20:28] <tgm4883> If you are using mythvideo Storage Groups and external players, then that doesn't work, you can use one or the other but not both
[20:28] <dragon_reborn> I cannot seem to find this mythbuntu-log-grabber
[20:29] <dragon_reborn> hold on found it
[20:32] <dragon_reborn> logs at http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f2ecf979f
[20:33] <dragon_reborn> so easy when you know how.....
[20:37] <dragon_reborn> how do I check which storage groups I am using?
[20:41] <tgm4883> dragon_reborn, when you upgraded, did you do a reinstall?
[20:41] <dragon_reborn> nope just ran upgrade from "update manager"
[20:42] <tgm4883> then you aren't using SG's, unless you specifically set them up in mythtv-setup
[20:43] <dragon_reborn> the only thing I changed is the location of the movies...I changed it to be on my raid5 disk at /media/vedeos
[20:43]  * tgm4883 sighs
[20:43] <dragon_reborn> videos..sorry typo
[20:43] <tgm4883> 2 things
[20:44] <tgm4883> 1) Don't download movies
[20:44] <tgm4883> 2) If you change video locations, you should probably scan for changes
[20:44] <tgm4883> oh, and 3
[20:44] <tgm4883> 3) don't download movies
[20:44] <hads> heh, you can't really tell people not to download movies.
[20:45] <tgm4883> hads, why not?
[20:45] <dragon_reborn> i do scan for changes
[20:45] <hads> Not really much to do with you.
[20:45] <tgm4883> we like to keep piracy out of this channel
[20:45] <tgm4883> case in point, sasc-ng
[20:45] <Zinn> tgm4883: sasc-ng is a method to ILLEGALLY receive cable or satellite broadcasts via a fake software dvb-s/c device.  It is forbidden from being discussed in #ubuntu-mythtv, #ubuntu-mythtv-dev, #mythtv-users, and #mythtv.  If you would like to learn more about it, please refer to its developers and keep any and all discussions about it there.
[20:45] <hads> I'm aware.
[20:46] <tgm4883> so when someone comes in here and I see that they have, I tell them
[20:46] <hads> *shrug*
[20:47] <hads> dragon_reborn: Do what you like
[20:47] <tgm4883> I mean, I totally understand that the movie industry overprices their movies and makes a lot of crap
[20:47] <dragon_reborn> I am not going to justify my downloads here. I happen to like paying but as I don't live in the US it is exceedingly difficult to legally download movies. If you can point me to one site that I can do it from I wouls gladly comply
[20:48] <dragon_reborn> agreed but I happen to feel it is morally right to pay for watching something unfortunately this not always possible
[20:50] <tgm4883> So anyway, back on topic. Your mythtv install looks jacked up
[20:50] <dragon_reborn> thanks..I think
[20:50] <tgm4883> dragon_reborn, are you using the internal player in mythtv or an external player such as xine or vlc?
[20:51] <dragon_reborn> internal
[20:51] <tgm4883> andre, quickest way to fix would probably be to try using the external vlc player with mythtv
[20:51] <tgm4883> sec, let me get the lik
[20:51] <tgm4883> link
[20:52] <tgm4883> dragon_reborn, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VLC
[20:52] <dragon_reborn> cool thanks a stack
[20:52] <dragon_reborn> I will check it out
[20:52] <tgm4883> np
[20:53] <dragon_reborn> one thing..under player settings I have the following Default Video Player    mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s
[20:54] <dragon_reborn> does this mean I use the internal or external player?
[20:57] <tgm4883> dragon_reborn, thats internal
[21:00] <dragon_reborn> thanks
[21:11] <hads> Huh? That's mplayer. Internal is internal.
[21:13] <hads> dragon_reborn: If you replace that mplayer line with "Internal" then you will be using the internal player. At the moment you aren't.
[21:14] <dragon_reborn> ok thanks
[21:16] <dragon_reborn> gtg..system is hanging for some reason need to reboot, thanks for the help
[21:17] <tgm4883> hads, I thought that was the line to use the internal player (when set for the default player)
[21:17] <tgm4883> I would not have put the mplayer line in mine, and IIRC, that is what mine is set at for internal
[21:17] <tgm4883> s/internal/default
[21:24] <hads> I believe you guys used to use mplayer as the default for mythvideo. That will still launch mplayer rather than use the internal mythtv player though.
[21:24] <hads> The defualt these days is "Internal"
[22:02] <yojimbo-san> I've got a Mythbuntu 8.10 server here, and I need to upgrade it to 9.10 ... but update manager doesn't see any new releases available (no, I'm not restricting myself to LTS only). How can I encourage it to see the light?
[22:18] <hads> yojimbo-san: Try update-manager -d -c
[22:19] <yojimbo-san> Hi hads. No, that doesn't reveal a new distro at all :-(
[22:21] <yojimbo-san> update-manager --dist-upgrade looked good for a second or so, but quit without anything being done too.
[22:25] <yojimbo-san> Ah, got it, I think ...
[22:25] <yojimbo-san> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeProblems
[22:25] <yojimbo-san> Looks like 8.10 was missing /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release completely
[22:25] <yojimbo-san> That may have been a mythbuntu-caused problem ... but it looks like we can proceed now
[22:32] <hipitihop> can mythtv play ISO image of DVD and if so where should I put the iso file /
[22:34] <hipitihop> sorry, just found on wiki that mythvideo does
[22:39] <rhpot1991> !iso | hipitihop
[22:39] <Zinn> hipitihop: Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.23. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7


[19:47] <CarlFK> I need to run a script on first boot after a preseeded install, so late_command or whatever can set it up....
[19:48] <CarlFK> is this a solved problem?  like how does the "welcome to ubuntu" and OEM "setup your username/pw..."


[07:41] <johangm90> hi
[07:43] <jo-erlend> hi! :)
[07:44] <johangm90> i cant release my app
[07:44] <johangm90> i have errors in quickly release command
[07:45] <johangm90> File "/usr/share/quickly/templates/ubuntu-application/release.py", line 154, in <module>
[07:45] <johangm90>     print(_("%s does not exist. Please create it on launchpad if you want to push a package to it. %s has the following ppas available:") % (e, ppa_user.name))
[07:45] <johangm90> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 31: ordinal not in range(128)
[07:45] <johangm90> some advice?
[07:46] <dpm> johangm90, what's your user name in Launchpad?
[07:47] <johangm90> johangm90
[07:48] <johangm90> https://launchpad.net/~johangm90
[07:57] <johangm90> ...
[08:00] <dpm> hi johangm90, reading the help for the 'release' command, it tells me you need to create a PPA in Launchpad before running the command
[08:00] <dpm> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/933635/
[08:00] <dpm> Have you created a PPA?
[08:00] <dpm> I know that the error should probably be more descriptive, but I believe this might be the problem
[08:01] <johangm90> i have my ppa
[08:02] <dpm> where is it?
[08:04] <johangm90> https://launchpad.net/~johangm90/+archive/quicklytest
[08:08] <johangm90> where specific my ppa for quickly?
[08:10] <dpm> johangm90, try running the 'quickly release --ppa quicklytest' command
[08:11] <dpm> johangm90, btw, looking at the help, it mentions that you should have created a project in Launchpad too:
[08:11] <dpm> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/933635/
[08:11] <dpm> Have you also done that?
[08:12] <johangm90> yes
[08:12] <dpm> ok, in that case, you can try that command and let us know how it works :)
[08:12] <dpm> If you're just testing a package, rather than creating a project and a PPA, perhaps you can just test your package locally with the 'quickly package' command
[08:13] <johangm90> ok
[08:15] <johangm90> No Launchpad project set, leave blank to abort.
[08:15] <johangm90> Launchpad project name:
[08:15] <johangm90> :s
[08:18] <johangm90> it works :)
[08:18] <johangm90> thx
[08:20] <johangm90> :)
[08:23] <dpm> cool :)
[11:32] <ajmitch> evening
[11:33] <dpm> hey ajmitch
[14:29] <johan_gm90> hi
[14:29] <zoopster> hi johan_gm90
[14:30] <johan_gm90> i need help with subprocess module in python
[14:33] <dpm> hi johan_gm90, can you be more specific? What exactly do you need help with?
[14:37] <johangm90> how i can read console output and save in string without finish process
[14:38] <johangm90> for ffmpeg for example
[14:53] <johangm90> i wants to read from process.stdout while the command is running
[14:53] <johangm90> any idea?
[16:18] <mhall119> wendar: ajmitch: can you please read over http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/blog/app_developers.html before I post it on my blog and let me know if you think I should add anything
[16:18] <mhall119> davidpitkin: ^^ if you could review it too, I'd appreciate it
[17:50] <mhall119> Top 10 independent app downloads from USC, upvote it! http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/seijw/top_10_ubuntu_app_downloads_for_march_2012/
[17:54] <dpm> \o/
[18:27] <dpm> and upvote here too! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3854210
[21:56] <ajmitch> mhall119: main thing to add is that we need submissions in a PPA, so that we can review a source package & see that a binary package can be built
[21:58] <ajmitch> mhall119: & thanks for putting me in touch with achuni earlier :)


[05:08] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[05:21] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> had a nice weekend EriC^^ ?
[05:21] <EriC^^> yeah
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> we too, but cold :p
[05:22] <EriC^^> :D
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:10] <ducasse> good morning
[07:13] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:13] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:15] <lotuspsychje_> hey ducasse lordievader
[07:16] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, lordievader. fine here, thanks, how are you guys?
[07:16] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje_
[07:16] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:16] <lordievader> Doing good here
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> great here tnx
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> updating bionic
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> https://www.deviantart.com/art/Obscured-732416896
[08:09] <jink> :)
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> morning jink
[08:13] <jink> 'sup? :)
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> almost goto work : (
[08:16] <jink> Awwwwwwwwwwwww
[08:16] <jink> -6 with you as well?
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah its freezing all week
[08:17] <jink> Same here.
[08:17] <jink> Frozen floofs in the backyard. :P
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> -14 in deeper belgium
[08:17] <jink> Dafuq. O__o
[08:26] <ducasse> -17 expected here tomorrow and thursday
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> ok prepare for work here guys
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> cu tonight
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> have a nice (cold) day :p
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:30] <jink> Hey Kaj.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Hi jink
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[20:58] <OerHeks>
[21:06] <pauljw> hi everyone
[21:06] <daftykins> good evening \o
[21:06] <pauljw> :)
[21:21] <tomreyn> hey TJ, do you still remember the set of commands you suggested to me ad an alternative to my apt-show-versions wrapper?
[21:22] <tomreyn> looks like i forgot to make a note. but it was much better than my approach.
[21:22] <tomreyn> i.e. the better alternative to https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/foreign_packages you came up with
[21:24] <tomreyn> hmm actually ubuntu-support-status --list-unsupported now does something quite similar. and maybe better.
[21:27] <TJ-> tomreyn: let me look
[21:35] <TJ-> tomreyn: would it be this? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8Ct9dQ6Xzp/
[21:41] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks! this doesn't seem to ever quit here (16.04), though
[21:42] <TJ-> tomreyn: I'll test it here
[21:44] <TJ-> on an installed system there will be a lot to go through; I'm testing in a container
[21:47] <TJ-> tomreyn: not surprised it takes a while "apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l" generates over 60K lines
[21:48] <TJ-> tomreyn: the point was to detect orphaned packages wasn't it? (I assume since the irc log command ends with  "grep -v http"
[21:49] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes, orphaned packages, but also packages whose version # mismatches the one available from the current apt sources (i.e. is higher)
[21:50] <TJ-> tomreyn: Ahh, well the IRC command is only going to find orphaned, but it is searching the entire archive list :D
[21:50] <TJ-> maybe you need an additional filter to only 'madison' the installed packages
[21:52] <tomreyn> looks like
[21:53] <tomreyn> thanks for digging this up in your logs :)
[22:03] <TJ-> tomreyn: this is more like it to only list the installed packges "apt-cache madison $( cut -d / -f 1 <(apt list --installed 2>/dev/null) | sort -b )"
[22:05] <TJ-> I like how madison's output is the pachage followed by any dependencies... not sure if that causes duplicates though; if so, will need another sort possibly with the -u option, or fed through uniq
[22:20] <tomreyn> TJ-: hmm this lists many packages i dont have installed (indented)
[22:21] <tomreyn> maybe those are virtual
[22:24] <TJ-> tomreyn: oh, I wonder if madison is listing recommends and suggests ? can you pick some and check (will help that the depends/recommends/suggests appear to follow the installed package
[22:26] <tomreyn> # dpkg -l boost1.58
[22:26] <tomreyn> dpkg-query: no packages found matching boost1.58
[22:27] <tomreyn> !info boost1.58 xenial
[22:27] <ubot5`> libboost1.58-all-dev (source: boost1.58): Boost C++ Libraries development files (ALL). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.58.0+dfsg-5ubuntu3.1 (xenial), package size 4 kB, installed size 36 kB
[22:28] <tomreyn> so i guess that's virtual
[22:29] <tomreyn> so i guess madison lists reverse depends for virtual packages or something
[22:29] <daftykins> hmm bot used to say it was meta i thought
[22:29] <tomreyn> i asked the bot about "boost1.58", it responded with "libboost1.58-all-dev"
[22:30] <TJ-> I wonder if we can filter those out too
[22:30] <Bashing-om> tomreyn: Hummm ... " sysop@x1604:~$ apt list boost1.58 >> Listing... Done" . Not in the repo .
[22:31] <tomreyn> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gj4zhcBGPf/
[22:33] <tomreyn> for filtering out: apt-cache madison $( cut -d / -f 1 <(apt list --installed 2>/dev/null) | sort -b ) | grep '^[^ ]' | sort | uniq
[22:33] <tomreyn> the 'sort' may be superfluous
[22:33] <TJ-> tomreyn: it looks like the virtual packages are indented by 1 space
[22:33] <TJ-> tomreyn: try "apt-cache madison libboost1.58-all-dev"
[22:34] <tomreyn> i think so, too
[22:35] <TJ-> tomreyn: ahhh no, it's source packages
[22:35] <tomreyn> which is why ... grep '^[^ ]'
[22:35] <tomreyn> oh right, that makes more sense
[22:36] <TJ-> hmmm, could be both... /but/ ... end of the lines we have where it came from "Sources" or "Packages" so that can be used to filter out sources
[22:39] <TJ-> oh, the indentation is to try to align columns, and it's right-justifying the package name so inserts the blanks to push the | over
[22:52] <TJ-> tomreyn: here's a nicer one  apt-cache madison $( cut -d / -f 1 <(apt list --installed 2>/dev/null) | sort -b ) | sed -r '/Sources$/ d; /Packages$/ s/^[[:space:]]*(.*)$/\1/'
[22:55] <tomreyn> so to get back to the original question, this would supposedly list only those orphaned packages?  apt-cache madison $( cut -d / -f 1 <(apt list --installed 2>/dev/null) | sort -b ) | sed -r '/Sources$/ d; /Packages$/ s/^[[:space:]]*(.*)$/\1/' | grep -v http
[22:56] <tomreyn> but it doesn't for me, it returns an empty set.
[22:57] <tomreyn> whereas foreign_packages lists several packages as it should be
[22:57] <tomreyn> e.g. brscan4:amd64 0.4.4-3 installed: No available version in archive
[22:57] <TJ-> well, the grep -v http is supposed to discard all entries without a known download URL... does madison show a URL for those foreign packages?
[22:58] <tomreyn> $ apt-cache madison brscan4
[22:58] <tomreyn> $
[22:59] <tomreyn> no output at all
[22:59] <TJ-> ahhh, because it isn't found at all. that's weird
[23:00] <TJ-> best to stick with what you've got then, and require install of apt-show-versions
[23:02] <tomreyn> or use ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported
[23:02] <tomreyn> thanks for your time!
[23:04] <TJ-> that last has a major bug I think!
[23:04] <tomreyn> which?
[23:04] <TJ-> u-s-s
[23:05] <tomreyn> i mean what is the bug
[23:06] <tomreyn> this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1574670
[23:06] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1574670 in update-manager (Ubuntu Artful) "ubuntu-support-status returns inaccurate information" [High,Fix released]
[23:07] <tomreyn> (fixed)
[23:08] <nacc> TJ-: yeah it finally got fixed
[23:08] <nacc> not sure if it's been backported everywhere or not
[23:09] <tomreyn> it was, check the nominated releases
[23:09] <tomreyn> so it's not usable by people who don't have the latest updates installed, but once they have, they can use it ;-)
[23:10] <nacc> tomreyn: ah cool ( i just ahdn't chekced)
[23:10] <tomreyn> actuall yi lied, it's not in 12.04 ESM
[23:10] <nacc> tomreyn: heh
[23:11] <tomreyn> but all other supported releases got a backport
[23:11] <tomreyn> :)
[23:12] <TJ-> I don't see it
[23:13] <TJ-> which version are you referring to in 16.04? update-manager (1:16.04.12) xenial-security; urgency=medium
[23:15] <nacc> it was fixed in .11 per the bug
[23:16] <TJ-> it failed her just now
[23:16] <nacc> TJ-: i would comment in the bug, as i expect it's assumed to be working :)
[23:17] <tomreyn> wait, did the patch not get distributed?
[23:17] <tomreyn> i patched it locally here with the patches posted on the bug tracker and those seem to work correctly
[23:18] <tomreyn> but i didn't check whether the version distributed is patched
[23:19] <TJ-> excuse all the powerline terminal codes but http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rKfTfx9s2D/
[23:20] <TJ-> the changelog quotes that bug report  (LP: #1574670
[23:20] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1574670 in update-manager (Ubuntu Artful) "ubuntu-support-status returns inaccurate information" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1574670
[23:22] <tomreyn> can you say what seems to be wrong about the output? i'm not getting it
[23:23] <tomreyn> like, those "no longer downloadable" packages are porbably no longer downloadable, and the "unsupported" packages may well be unsupported?
[23:23] <TJ-> it reports as "not downloadable" for e2fslibs (whereas apt-cache policy e2fslibs shows its there) and not supported for apt-file amongst many others
[23:24] <TJ-> e2fslibs is in main; apt-file is in universe
[23:24] <tomreyn> your e2fslibs version is a mnewer version than what is available on the apt archives you have configured
[23:24] <nacc> TJ-: your e2fslibs fversion is not hte ubuntu one
[23:24] <nacc> :)
[23:25] <TJ-> wow, yes, well spotted! where the heck did that come from I wonder... tomreyn get your script working!!
[23:25] <tomreyn> so that's actually a 'foreign package' in my definition of that term
[23:26] <nacc> heh
[23:26] <nacc> i'm wondering about unsupported
[23:26] <TJ-> nacc: how about apt-file though, is 'unsupported' because it's in universe
[23:26] <tomreyn> yes
[23:26] <TJ-> that's a pretty poor definition if so
[23:26] <nacc> it should be community not unsupported
[23:27] <nacc> i wonder if it's due to stale distro-info-data
[23:27] <nacc> or buggy
[23:27] <tomreyn> well there is no guarantee for support, it's the security team's perspective on things
[23:27] <nacc> TJ-: i'll try and dig into later, need to run errands
[23:27] <TJ-> dnsmasq in that list too, definitely looks very wrong
[23:27] <nacc> 'unsupported' is emitted when it can't find a component
[23:27] <nacc> so that's a bug
[23:28] <nacc> TJ-: put a comment in the bug and i'll make sure the right folks see it
[23:28] <tomreyn> i only have dnsmasq-base installed, not dnsmasq
[23:29] <TJ-> nacc: I'll generate a clean log file first and attach it
[23:29] <TJ-> I think -base is for the NM dependency isn't it?
[23:29] <tomreyn> dnsmasq-base -> main whereas dnsmaq -> universe
[23:30] <tomreyn> i think so, yes
[23:30] <tomreyn> 'apt-cache rdepends dnsmasq-base' lists network-manager amongst many other
[23:31] <TJ-> yes, it's a split-component, service in dnsmasq, executable in -base (for NM)
[23:32] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Official%20Support discusses the policies on components
[23:32] <TJ-> Choice of words is very poor - we've got multiple extremely different meanings for "supported" - Canonical paid support, actively upgraded packages (main), possibly upgraded (universe) and IRC/Askubuntu/forums (basically everything in the archive!)
[23:33] <tomreyn> yes, i agree a better wording + distincion would be an improvement there
[23:34] <tomreyn> but generally i'm very happy that it works at all again.
[23:35] <tomreyn> there should probably separate outputs for "comunity supported" vs "unsupported / support policy could not be determined"
[23:36] <TJ-> I think the supported word is a bad choice... 'support' implies help is available. "maintained" would be a better choice for upgrade/patch policy "canonical mantained" "community maintained"
[23:37] <TJ-> ahhh, my e2fsprogs was a self-build to include some advanced features Ubuntu lacks
[23:37] <tomreyn> right, worth a feature request i guess
[23:39] <TJ-> I added shingled drive support to the ext4 driver and needed the support in e2fsprogs