[12:08] <bobbyd> hi, how do I get this functionality: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#id2508103
[12:11] <Hobbsee_away> bobbyd: adept updater - but it doesnt sit in your system tray automatically, unfortunately
[12:12] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee_away, bobbyd, the system tray notifier for KDE/Adept is almost done though :) it'll be in Dapper
[12:13] <Hobbsee_away> seth_k|lappy: yay!
[12:16] <viperX> Ladies and Gents, KDE-Look.org is back on!
[12:16] <LadyNikon> greetings
[12:17] <LadyNikon> How do you feel about kubuntu as a server?
[12:17] <dennis-> i don't know what you should need the kde part for
[12:17] <dennis-> but ubuntu should be fine for a server :)
[12:17] <LadyNikon> i just like kde over gnome
[12:17] <LadyNikon> heh
[12:18] <dennis-> well, i like kde over gnome too
[12:18] <dennis-> for a DESKTOP
[12:18] <dennis-> not for a SERVER
[12:18] <dennis-> :)
[12:19] <LadyNikon> heh
[12:20] <LadyNikon> i have a gentoo box but i dont have the time to do everything
[12:20] <Tm_T> yes, use ubuntu
[12:20] <LadyNikon> Tm_T: thats kinda why i am doing it
[12:20] <LadyNikon> i work in philly and live in md
[12:21] <LadyNikon> no time to muck around
[12:21] <LadyNikon> heh
[12:21] <Tm_T> and IF you need X, use WindowMaker or *Box
[12:21] <youssef> Hi all
[12:21] <youssef> :(
[12:22] <seth_k|lappy> bleh, how do you change kicker text color? /me can't find it
[12:23] <LadyNikon> heh
[12:23] <LadyNikon> i am a fluxbox fan
[12:23] <LadyNikon> but things in kde tend to break which is my field
[12:23] <youssef> i got a pb with a "vlc" client ! can someone light me ?
[12:25] <LadyNikon> pb?
[12:25] <LadyNikon> oh problem..
[12:26] <Voodoo_Vibe> Hey! when my 3d support works my sound doesnt! how come?
[12:28] <youssef> i try to use "adept" to install it but it doesnt work... so i try a ".deb" instalation and it doesnt work well :( ... now i go an "error in adept"
[12:29] <Voodoo_Vibe> any ideas how come its either good working graphics or working sound??
[12:31] <LjL> youssef: what exactly does not work?
[12:32] <youssef> i can't install 'vlc' :)
[12:32] <LjL> youssef: try "sudo aptitude install vlc" and, if you get an error, paste it in the pastebin
[12:34] <youssef> i miss close "adept" ^^! so it does nt work
[12:34] <youssef> trying
[12:34] <youssef> retrying
[12:35] <Voodoo_Vibe> any ideas how come its either good working graphics or working sound?? not both!
[12:36] <youssef> LjL   i try ... but dont work
[12:36] <youssef> want some details ?
[12:36] <LjL> youssef: yes. use the pastebin (see the channel topic) to paste the whole thing please
[12:37] <youssef> ok i will try
[12:38] <youssef> thanks
[12:41] <Voodoo_Vibe> any ideas how come its either good working graphics or working sound?? not both!
[12:41] <youssef> ok thats done
[12:41] <LjL> youssef: what's the URL?
[12:41] <youssef> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463034
[12:41] <youssef> hope i make it right
[12:41] <mrj> heyyyyyyyyyyy
[12:42] <mrj> guysss
[12:42] <youssef> :(
[12:42] <mrj> :)
[12:42] <youssef> :)
[12:42] <mrj> i have solved my problems
[12:42] <mrj> 2 of them
[12:42] <Voodoo_Vibe> any ideas how come its either good working graphics or working sound?? not both!
[12:42] <mrj> 1. xmms  broken menus
[12:42] <LjL> youssef: i think you might not all all the necessary repositories enabled... anyway, when i say "paste the whole thing", i meant the output from aptitude ;-)
[12:42] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: what do u mean
[12:42] <mrj> hey guys
[12:42] <youssef> ok sorry
[12:43] <youssef> but it s in french
[12:43] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: ive installed fglrx for my ati card but now i dont have any sound
[12:43] <mrj> do you wanan know how you can change the default UGLY GTK Motif Theme ?
[12:43] <mrj> :)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> youssef: most people can cope with that :P
[12:43] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: dunno i have never tried that
[12:43] <Hobbsee> there are tranlsators, after all
[12:43] <mrj> i have a nVidia
[12:43] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: get this when i try to run alsamixer No mixer elems found
[12:43] <youssef> :D
[12:44] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: it worked before reboot
[12:44] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: alsaconf
[12:44] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: command not found
[12:44] <youssef> ok here it is
[12:45] <LjL> youssef: yeah, just paste the french, i'm italian, i'll manage to read it :)
[12:45] <mrj> yes you do not have alsa-utils i suppose
[12:45] <mrj> hmm i dunno - one choice is to instal alsa-utils
[12:45] <mrj> and try then
[12:46] <mrj> but it will install extrapackages
[12:46] <mrj> but it will install extra packages
[12:46] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yes, cause when i type "sudo apt-get install alsa-utils" i get that it already exists
[12:46] <mrj> really ?
[12:46] <mrj> just a moment
[12:46] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: k
[12:54] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:
[12:54] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[12:54] <mrj> try this
[12:54] <mrj> or sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[12:55] <chopemax> hi, how can i disable the kde screensaver (not xscreensaver) when running mplayer?
[12:56] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: didnt do any good
[12:56] <mrj> hm
[12:56] <mrj> dunno then
[12:57] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: got this when i ran the last one, is that right??    http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463048
[12:57] <_ubuntu> hi all
[12:57] <chopemax> nobody has any script for this?
[12:58] <_ubuntu> can you guys point me to a god install explination for kubuntu ppc
[12:58] <_ubuntu> or a good one
[12:58] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[12:59] <Voodoo_Vibe> * Shutting down ALSA...                                                 [ ok ]
[12:59] <Voodoo_Vibe>  * Setting up ALSA...                                                    [ ok ]
[01:00] <Voodoo_Vibe> but no sound
[01:00] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  give me the output of : lsmod
[01:00] <youssef> LjL !! !  so u find something ?
[01:01] <LjL> youssef: you didn't give me the new url with the paste ;)
[01:01] <youssef> but lol
[01:01] <youssef> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463037 here it is
[01:01] <chopemax> Voodoo_Vibe: didnt get to read your problem but maybe the soft you are running needs esd, you could try ' esd -nobeeps '
[01:01] <Voodoo_Vibe>  mrj: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463052
[01:02] <Voodoo_Vibe> chopemax: i get command not found "esd"
[01:02] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: it should working
[01:02] <mrj> the modules are ok
[01:02] <mrj> it is loaded as module
[01:02] <mrj> try : alsamixer
[01:03] <mrj> and check if all the volumes are increased
[01:03] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yeah... could there be something blocking it??
[01:03] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yeah all volumes are up
[01:03] <mrj> then check the Kmix
[01:03] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yes its up and max volume
[01:04] <mrj> hm
[01:04] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: but its weird i cant run alsamixer
[01:04] <mrj> sudo alsamixer ?
[01:04] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: says no mixer elems found
[01:05] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: same
[01:05] <mrj> moment
[01:05] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: k
[01:05] <LjL> youssef: hmm try "apt-cache show vlc" and paste the output again. also, paste your /etc/sources.list file
[01:06] <youssef> ok
[01:06] <haypo> hi! how can I kill gam_serveR?
[01:06] <haypo> gam_server
[01:07] <haypo> it eats too much memory and cpu, and I can't kill him!
[01:07] <haypo> (him=>it)
[01:07] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: has it worked before ?
[01:07] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yes it worken fine until i installed fglrx,,, after i rebootes it doesnt work
[01:08] <Voodoo_Vibe> worked*, rebooted*
[01:08] <james> how can i tell fix multiverse & universe are enabled correctly
[01:08] <_jeff> hey guys
[01:12] <_jeff> can anyone help me? im having a compile error
[01:12] <_jeff> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[01:12] <_jeff> i keep getting that error when i try to compile anything from source
[01:12] <haypo> _jeff, you need -dev packages
[01:12] <haypo> _jeff, like ... something like libx11-dev
[01:13] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: gonna reboot see if i get sound and no 3d support.....
[01:13] <_jeff> haypo: ok
[01:13] <_jeff> haypo: ok cool. is that the pack i need?
[01:14] <_jeff> haypo: is there a metapacage i can get for source compilations?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[01:14] <ubotflu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[01:14] <Hobbsee> _jeff: ^
[01:15] <haypo> !gam_server
[01:15] <ubotflu> Not a clue, haypo
[01:15] <haypo> :-(
[01:15] <_jeff> hobbsee: thanks
[01:15] <Hobbsee> no problems _jeff
[01:16] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: nope, restart didnt help.... still no sound
[01:18] <youssef>  LjL    http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463068
[01:18] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: i am searching too but i could not find any solution yet
[01:18] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: yeah this is strange!
[01:18] <youssef> LjL thats ok for u ?
[01:19] <LjL> youssef: yes, but i'm not sure what is going on. try "sudo apt-get update"
[01:19] <LjL> youssef: and then try again installing vlc
[01:19] <blanky> is kubuntu getting better, I mean, has it gotten better since say, last month?
[01:20] <youssef> LjL ... but which way u think i must install ?!
[01:20] <youssef> "adept" ?  manual ?
[01:21] <LjL> youssef: i'm making you use aptitude (or apt-get, not much difference) simply because i'm used to them. basically they do the same thing as Adept and other graphical package managers
[01:21] <LjL> it's just that i don't use Adept
[01:21] <kalenedrael> Hey, has anyone found that recent Hoary updates break OpenOffice?
[01:21] <youssef> okthks man
[01:21] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: HEY! i got sound when playing "planetpenguin racer"
[01:21] <youssef> Oo work well for me
[01:22] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: but not xmms
[01:22] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: or any other things on kde
[01:22] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  then run XMMS
[01:22] <kalenedrael> Well, openoffice is broken here, it segfaults when it tries to run.
[01:22] <mrj> and test the options
[01:22] <mrj> sound options
[01:23] <youssef> damn it doesnt work :S
[01:23] <kalenedrael> I've reinstalled it a couple of times, purged the configuration files and regenerated them.
[01:23] <blanky> is kubuntu getting better, I mean, has it gotten better since say, last month?
[01:23] <kalenedrael> Well, tried to regenerate them.
[01:23] <kalenedrael> The program that's supposed to generate them segfaults.
[01:23] <kalenedrael> The only thing I remember changing is installing some updated packages.
[01:23] <mrj> system settings - sound and multimedia
[01:23] <haypo> found it! write lines like "fsset ext3 none" in /etc/gamin/gaminrc, and then killall -9 gam_server ;-)
[01:24] <haypo> thanks for you help & bye
[01:24] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: still no sound tried alot of things
[01:25] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: and i still cant run alsamixer
[01:25] <yuly> holas
[01:25] <yuly> alguien me puede indicar como regresar a gnome, ahora utilizo kde
[01:26] <kkathman> !es
[01:26] <ubotflu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:27] <ClayG> oye
[01:27] <ClayG> que tu quero
[01:27] <ClayG> Just kidding, #ubuntu-es
[01:27] <blanky> Hispanohablantes, haha
[01:27] <youssef> thanks for help i will try again later ! ciao all
[01:31] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe: i dunno too
[01:31] <mrj> but i wanna find a solution
[01:31] <mrj> i do not want that to happen to me and not to know the solution
[01:32] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: it seems all the games have sound but not xmms and kde
[01:33] <sambagirl> you have to change your default driver for sound
[01:33] <sambagirl> i had this problems too
[01:33] <mrj> Voodoo_Vibe:  have you tested the sound server _
[01:33] <wimpies> does anybody know where I can find the w32codecs package for mplayer ?
[01:33] <sambagirl> join #ubuntu they tell you right choice for this.
[01:33] <Hobbsee> !w32codecs
[01:33] <mrj> kartsd or something
[01:33] <wimpies> !w32codes
[01:33] <ubotflu> wimpies: Wish i knew
[01:33] <wimpies> !w32codecs
[01:34] <sambagirl> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/ someone try ot see if my streaming is working
[01:34] <Hobbsee> wimpies: <ubotflu> somebody said w32codecs was a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-fda9cc5147253891fe3047263b82d787ab025bba to install
[01:34] <wimpies> what do you mean hobbsee ?
[01:34] <mrj> wimpies: apt-cache search w32 codecs
[01:34] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: where do i change default sound driver?
[01:35] <mrj> sambagirl:  no it is not working :)
[01:35] <mrj> sambagirl: i tried it with xmms
[01:35] <Hobbsee> well, the code worked for me lol..that's the output of it
[01:35] <sambagirl> sure it does is treaming with vlc
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Voodoo_Vibe: in kcontrol
[01:35] <sambagirl> umm try kaffiene
[01:36] <wimpies> Thx
[01:36] <sambagirl> try with somethign better than xmms is not a good streamer thign.
[01:36] <sambagirl> vlc is the best player ever created.
[01:37] <sambagirl> i try stream video if someone tell me audio working first.
[01:37] <sambagirl> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/
[01:37] <sambagirl> how i can turn off the animaiton from kde or kubuntu?
[01:37] <mrj> sambagirl:  it is buffering with amarok but over and over again
[01:37] <mrj> nothing playes
[01:37] <mrj> nothing plays
[01:38] <Coolio10> how do i add resolutions because all i have is low ones
[01:38] <sambagirl> umm you try kaffiene or vlc?
[01:38] <mrj> Szstem settings - appearance _
[01:38] <sambagirl> hold let me check. i think to use ogg i hope.
[01:38] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl i get no URI handle... guess its me
[01:38] <Coolio10> if i put hiddenmenu for grub how do you still access it?
[01:38] <kalenedrael> Ok guys, how much of a risk is an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:38] <kalenedrael> I'm on Hoary right now.
[01:38] <sambagirl> let me reststart
[01:39] <kkathman> kalenedrael: no risk if you've done all the prelim stuff
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: not sure, but you can always go edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst again
[01:39] <sambagirl> ok now
[01:39] <Hobbsee> !tell kalenedrael about upgradetobreezy
[01:39] <Hobbsee> !tell kalenedrael about upgrade2breezy
[01:39] <nalioth> kalenedrael: you risk breakage NOT using it
[01:39] <kalenedrael> k
[01:39] <kalenedrael> nalioth, wha?
[01:39] <Coolio10> hey hobbsee
[01:39] <Hobbsee> hey Coolio10
[01:39] <Hobbsee> back soon
[01:40] <Coolio10> nearly killed my computer yesterday:-)
[01:40] <mrj> NO URI handler implemented for "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/"
[01:40] <sambagirl> what is uri handler?
[01:40] <kkathman> well I quite
[01:40] <kkathman> quit
[01:40] <sambagirl> you try vlc?
[01:40] <Voodoo_Vibe> mrj: i get that too
[01:40] <mrj> i become that in kaffeine
[01:40] <sambagirl> umm
[01:40] <sambagirl> you try vlc?
[01:40] <nalioth> kalenedrael: a dist-upgrade upgrades you cleanly (if a pkg has been added that replaces a package you have installed)
[01:40] <mrj> sambagirl:  i have not vlc
[01:41] <sambagirl> i must have done something to mess it up
[01:41] <sambagirl> you not have VLC????
[01:41] <sambagirl> oh my
[01:41] <sambagirl> is the BEST media thing ever designed.
[01:41] <sambagirl> does everything.
[01:41] <crimsun> except for laundry
[01:41] <sambagirl> everything
[01:41] <sambagirl> ;)
[01:41] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: ive installed vlc it keeps downloading
[01:42] <sambagirl> yes we leave laundry duties for Crimsum
[01:42] <mrj> uups i have killed mu kde menu ....
[01:42] <sambagirl> umm ok leet me check.
[01:42] <mrj> :)
[01:43] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: i think its suppose to play audio that what i get but then i cant get any sound anywhere.... but games
[01:43] <sambagirl> umm
[01:43] <sambagirl>  you need to change your default thingy for audio.
[01:44] <sambagirl> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/
[01:44] <sambagirl> i restart
[01:44] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: ive tried that but no luck...
[01:44] <sambagirl> you need to ask in #ubuntu voodoo_vibe
[01:45] <sambagirl> mrj is anything?
[01:46] <nalioth> !sound
[01:46] <ubotflu> sound is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[01:49] <kalenedrael> nalioth, so, dist-upgrade should be safe?
[01:49] <kalenedrael> As in, no fuxing of files, entire OS, etc...?
[01:49] <sambagirl> DONT DO IT KALENEDRAEL
[01:49] <nalioth> kalenedrael: yes, it should be fine.
[01:49] <kalenedrael> ...
[01:49] <sambagirl> you'll be sorry ;)
[01:49] <kalenedrael> :P
[01:49] <sambagirl> :D
[01:49] <nalioth> ubotflu: tell kalenedrael about apt-get
[01:49] <kalenedrael> wtf, I don't get it, is this a joke or something?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> kalenedrael: see your private messages
[01:50] <james> how can i tell fix multiverse & universe are enabled correctly
[01:50] <nalioth> kalenedrael: idk what sambagirl is on, but i suggest you read up on how apt-get works and make your own decision
[01:50] <kalenedrael> I know about apt-get, I'm just wondering if a dist-upgrade is safe. I read the page.
[01:50] <nalioth> kalenedrael: it is safe.
[01:50] <kalenedrael> I've heard things about it not working properly and causing people to have to reinstall their entire OS and such.
[01:51] <kalenedrael> Well, what the hell, I'll give it a shot. I'm no stranger to installing Linux once every few months :P
[01:51] <nalioth> kalenedrael: this only happens when people use NON ubuntu packages
[01:52] <kalenedrael> Ah, ok.
[01:52] <sambagirl> where is the AOL folder that comes with Ubuntu?
[01:52] <kalenedrael> Well I haven't installed any debs outside multiverse.
[01:52] <nalioth> kalenedrael: if you use ubuntu pkgs and ubuntu packaging methods when you compile your own stuff, you'll never have a problem
[01:52] <kalenedrael> I have compiled a bunch of programs from source.
[01:53] <kalenedrael> (They're all in /usr/local, though, which the updater shouldn't have to touch if it's sane.)
[01:53] <nalioth> kalenedrael: how did you install them?
[01:53] <kalenedrael> make install :P
[01:53] <nalioth> kalenedrael: may i point out "checkinstall"
[01:53] <nalioth> !tell kalenedrael about checkinstall
[01:53] <kalenedrael> I also compiled some kernels from source.
[01:53] <nalioth> it'll save your bacon from a wonky source build
[01:53] <kalenedrael> Thanks.
[01:54] <nalioth> it's not dh_make, but it's better than "make install"
[01:54] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: thanx for the tip on #ubuntu got it right now!! and i get sound from you!
[01:54] <sambagirl> great Voodoo_vibe :)
[01:55] <kalenedrael> nalioth, well, it's too late to apply that now, right?
[01:55] <sambagirl> i warned ou KAlenedrael
[01:55] <sambagirl> now is to late.
[01:55] <kalenedrael> :P
[01:55] <kalenedrael> I haven't done a dist-upgrade yet. :P
[01:55] <sambagirl> ahh
[01:56] <sambagirl> well be very careful it requires expertise in this function.
[01:56] <nalioth> kalenedrael: too late for your previously compiled proggys, yes
[01:56] <nalioth> kalenedrael: if you're speaking of checkinstall
[01:56] <kalenedrael> Yeah, ok.
[01:56] <kalenedrael> I'll trust it, though....
[01:57] <djib> hey
[01:57] <djib> on some pages in konqueror, I get the message 'cannot init alsasink'
[01:57] <Voodoo_Vibe> aahhhhh.... finally sound!! been quiet here for too long!  : )
[01:57] <djib> and it just crashes
[01:57] <djib> what can I do ?
[01:57] <djib> it is very annoying
[01:57] <sambagirl> :)
[01:57] <sambagirl> thank god for sound
[01:58] <djib> then I get a cannot initialise xvimvideosinl
[01:58] <sambagirl> is a new world now for you voodoo_vibe
[01:58] <djib> ok something like this
[01:58] <djib> any idea ?
[01:58] <sambagirl> yes djib
[01:58] <sambagirl> se AOL
[01:58] <kalenedrael> k, getting about a gig of packages.
[01:58] <sambagirl> use
[01:58] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: Yeah! LOL!! ... what language is it in the song your playing
[01:58] <sambagirl> AOL
[01:58] <djib> AOL ?
[01:58] <kalenedrael> 1157 upgraded, 408 newly installed, 76 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[01:58] <kalenedrael> Need to get 983MB of archives.
[01:58] <kalenedrael> After unpacking 579MB of additional disk space will be used.
[01:58] <sambagirl> brasilian portugese
[01:58] <djib> what do you mean sambagirl ?
[01:58] <sambagirl> nothing djib ignore ;)
[01:59] <james> IS there a way to make sure the universe & multiverse are enabled?
[01:59] <djib> sambagirl: dammit ^^
[01:59] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: ok...... kinda sexy.... but i cant tell what shes singing..... doesnt matter...  :)
[01:59] <sambagirl> well is brasilian samba
[02:00] <Hobbsee> kalenedrael: yep, that looks right
[02:01] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: its good
[02:01] <sambagirl> quality good?
[02:01] <kalenedrael> Hobbsee, well, I don't get what the deal is with the 408 new packages o.O
[02:02] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagood: yes, quality and music
[02:02] <Voodoo_Vibe> ahhhhh... cant type
[02:02] <nalioth> kalenedrael: sometimes existing packages are no longer used, and new packages take their place
[02:02] <Hobbsee> kalenedrael: they'll be part of the upgrade - some of the current packages bring in new ones too
[02:02] <Hobbsee> like if they've been split up or whatever
[02:02] <raptor> kann you tell me the room for germen
[02:02] <kalenedrael> Hmm, well, it still seems like an awful lot.
[02:02] <nalioth> #ubuntu-de
[02:02] <kalenedrael> I'll trust it, though.
[02:02] <raptor> thanks
[02:02] <sambagirl> will try videon streaming next.
[02:02] <nalioth> raptor: kein problem
[02:02] <sambagirl> video
[02:03] <sambagirl> does kubuntu handle video streaming?
[02:04] <nalioth> sambagirl: if you have the codecs, yes
[02:04] <sambagirl> why not just have them included in ubuntu install/setup?
[02:05] <nalioth> sambagirl: licensing issues
[02:06] <sambagirl> money money money
[02:06] <sambagirl> is that all there is?
[02:07] <nalioth> !multimedia
[02:07] <ubotflu> well, multimedia is for codecs,  http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#sect-music-and-movies ; and for applications, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[02:08] <dono> hi all
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:09] <djib> video editor > kino
[02:09] <djib> kino sucks !
[02:09] <dono> hi hobsee
[02:10] <dono> i need help with midi in kubuntu
[02:11] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: u turned it off?
[02:11] <sambagirl> loading different playlist
[02:11] <Voodoo_Vibe> ok
[02:11] <sambagirl> it restart?
[02:11] <sambagirl> brb
[02:11] <fdelacruz> guys how can I update manually my webmin, rigth now Im using 1.230 I got this when I install using apt-get, I need to upgrade it to 1.250 so that I can install the module of samba and squid
[02:12] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: yes up and running
[02:12] <sambagirl> sounds is wonderful, no? :D
[02:12] <sambagirl> i had same problem you had.
[02:12] <sambagirl> brb
[02:12] <Voodoo_Vibe> sambagirl: yeah its good!
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> hehe, superkaramba == using scripting language to monitor things like cpu == sends cpu to the roof.
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> depending on the theme anyway.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> LeeJunFan: hehe yeah, i've noticed that
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> plus it's a nice GUI eye candy tool that lacks a lot of GUI config options for most of them. kind of oxymoronic.
[02:16] <seth_k|lappy> LeeJunFan, hum. I use fantastik and i'm zipping along at 3% cpu
[02:16] <seth_k|lappy> fantastik = cpu monitor for superkaramba, btw
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> seth_k|lappy: thanks, I'll look that one up.
[02:18] <Knowerrors> Hey all, why would kwin be using 65-80% cpu? (not normal for me)
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: maybe your cpu is shrinking.
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> :)
[02:20] <Knowerrors> hmm, or its bored, I don't do gaming... so maybe an afternoon workout
[02:21] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: yeah, I could heat my house with my laptop when I play battlefield2 or SWAT4. :)
[02:23] <Voodoo_Vibe> well gonna go to bed now!! nite nite everyone!!!
[02:24] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: I do have 2 instances of kwin running for some reason, ones using 90%, other is using 0.3%
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: now that's odd, maybe kill the one with the higher pid.
[02:26] <Knowerrors> just did, fixed it... but why 2 of em running
[02:26] <Knowerrors> would opening up xine open up another kwin?
[02:27] <os2mac> hey everyone
[02:27] <benkong2> !tell benkong2 about repos
[02:28] <Vivaldi> hello
[02:30] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: its all fine now, just wonder what opened up extra kwin...
[02:32] <mrj> !mplayer
[02:32] <ubotflu> rumour has it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[02:32] <Insomniac-> done picking parts for my new system :)
[02:35] <Knowerrors> LeeJunFan: do you know how to join wmv files into one?
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: can't say that I do.
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> cat wmv2>>wmv1 :)
[02:36] <Knowerrors> yeah, they said that over in #ubuntu, didn't seem like it would work for a media file
[02:37] <LeeJunFan> Knowerrors: no, it wouldnt.
[02:37] <Insomniac-> try some encoding front end
[02:37] <Knowerrors> like ffmpeg?
[02:37] <Insomniac-> isn't ffmpeg some playback program?
[02:38] <Knowerrors> "FFmpeg is a very fast video and audio converter"
[02:39] <Insomniac-> sounds good
[02:39] <Insomniac-> go for it :)
[02:39] <Knowerrors> someone just suggested mencoder in #kde
[02:40] <Knowerrors> ffmpeg is cli, Im lazy :)
[02:40] <Insomniac-> yep that's another well known encoder
[02:40] <Insomniac-> mencoder has a gui front end iirc
[02:40] <Knowerrors> What does it mean in the repos when it says <packagename>-custom
[02:40] <sambagirl> cli is amiga, no?
[02:40] <Knowerrors> comand line interface = cli
[02:41] <MrClever> If a GUI requires more than a handful of clicks to get the job done - it'll probably be quicker to script it :)
[02:41] <Insomniac-> not if it's something you'll only do once
[02:41] <MrClever> Depends how good your scripting skills are I guess.
[02:41] <deemo> Hello everyone, I have a quick question and i hope it wont take too much time: I installed ubuntu via the install discs, and then downloaded the kubuntu-desktop with apt-get, but still with some applications such as firefox or the eclipse IDE, the KDE theme is not applied. Any idea how to fix this?
[02:41] <Knowerrors> "This version is for your own machine :-)" what does that mean in the repositories, referring to a package?
[02:41] <Insomniac-> MrClever: it takes time reading manpages
[02:42] <Insomniac-> esp. video related stuff tends to have tons of switches
[02:42] <MrClever> firefox and eclipse are GTK applications - they don't use KDE/Qt themes.
[02:42] <MrClever> Insomniac-: you're assuming I need the man page ;)
[02:42] <swim> hi, Im using ubuntu, which I love, but I'd like to use kde instead of gnome... do you all recommend I use kubuntu, or should I just install kde from within ubuntu?
[02:42] <deemo> so its not possible to set the eclipse theme on them?
[02:43] <crimsun> swim: install kubuntu-desktop
[02:43] <Knowerrors> deemo: system settings, appearance, gtk looknfeel, select to look like kde for fonts and look
[02:43] <Insomniac-> MrClever: don't know about you but i needed the mplayer manpage to get it working properly
[02:43] <Insomniac-> it just has too many options
[02:44] <MrClever> deemo: To get GTK apps to look nicer in KDE you might want to install "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt" - Makes your GTK 2 apps look like Qt ones
[02:44] <swim> crimsun, no difference than installing from kubuntu iso? (I ask because I don't mind reinstalling, I keep all of my personal files on my second drive...)
[02:44] <crimsun> swim: not real need to reinstall, but it's not precisely identical since you already have GNOME
[02:44] <crimsun> err, s/not real/no real/
[02:44] <Knowerrors> deemo: do what MrClever said first, then do what I said
[02:45] <swim> crimsun, eh in that case I'll just go ahead and d/l kubuntu, thx
[02:45] <Insomniac-> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt came installed by default here
[02:45] <deemo> Knowerrors: it is already installed. I go to the GTK themes section, but there is no set KDE theme. Should i just choose one that kinda looks like it?
[02:45] <MrClever> deemo: "apt-cache search gtk2-engines"
[02:46] <Knowerrors> no, choose use my kde style...
[02:46] <Knowerrors> and use my kde fonts
[02:46] <Knowerrors> then it will match whatver you have selected for kde style and fonts
[02:46] <swim> hmm no kubuntu torrents?
[02:46] <deemo> i dont see where that is
[02:47] <Knowerrors> system settings>appeareance and themes>GTK styles fonts
[02:48] <swim> bbl thx all
[02:48] <deemo> oh weird, for some reason, its not running, it just starts and closes
[02:49] <deemo> do you know the console command? that tends to work well with it
[02:50] <deemo> what i did do, was use gnome-theme-manager and set it to Qt
[02:50] <deemo> that seems to work well now
[02:50] <deemo> thanks!
[02:50] <fyrmedic> join #linux
[02:50] <fyrmedic> oop[s
[02:54] <Insomniac-> can't seem to find specs for the default amd cpu coolers
[02:54] <brokendreams> how can i use my pocket pc with kubuntu?
[02:55] <brokendreams> i am running windows mobile on it
[02:55] <brokendreams> not linux
[02:56] <sambagirl> i use pocket pc too
[02:57] <sambagirl> but it has telefon with it toshiba 2032 sp i not sure i can use ubuntu on it.
[02:59] <brokendreams> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PocketPCHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToPocketPC
[02:59] <brokendreams> is that what i need to read?
[03:00] <Insomniac-> sounds like it
[03:00] <sambagirl> yes encyclopedia
[03:00] <sambagirl> is only 10000 pages ;)
[03:00] <sambagirl> then you konw everything obbout nothing.
[03:01] <brokendreams> wonder if it will work with hp jordanda 56*
[03:02] <Insomniac-> well if you can restore it to stock condition without too much trouble, just try it
[03:04] <brokendreams> its my brothers
[03:04] <brokendreams> lol
[03:04] <brokendreams> but i might buy it from him if it works
[03:04] <sambagirl> yo can always go back to default with reset buttion you konw.
[03:04] <sambagirl> know
[03:05] <brokendreams> but first he need to make sure he doesent have anything inportent on it and hes lazy
[03:05] <brokendreams> and right now hes reading so not a good time to ask
[03:05] <Insomniac-> just keep badgering him until he backs up his data
[03:06] <sambagirl> just do full backup on thing first
[03:06] <brokendreams> hell just tell me to leave him alone
[03:06] <sambagirl> :)
[03:06] <brokendreams> he wqas going to get paid for putting old records on a cd about a year ago and he still has that poor mans records lol
[03:07] <kalenedrael> Ok, it looks like I'm reinstalling my entire system.
[03:07] <kalenedrael> Looks good so far.
[03:07] <brokendreams> never did it
[03:07] <brokendreams> he hasent used his ppc for over a year
[03:07] <brokendreams> someone stole my last pocket pc :(
[03:07] <Insomniac-> do a full backup of the thing
[03:08] <brokendreams> i'll go ask him...maybe
[03:09] <brokendreams> depends on if hes reading the bible or just a book
[03:11] <brokendreams> hes mumbleing to him self lol
[03:11] <brokendreams> i'll ask him lator
[03:11] <brokendreams> later
[03:11] <brokendreams> has anyone tryed linux ion there ppc?
[03:11] <sambagirl> i did
[03:12] <sambagirl> on casiopia
[03:12] <sambagirl> just try it
[03:12] <nalioth> brokendreams: ppc ?
[03:12] <brokendreams> just try what?
[03:12] <brokendreams> oh umm
[03:12] <brokendreams> pocket pc sorry
[03:13] <sambagirl> jaja
[03:13] <brokendreams> is the linux any good?
[03:13] <brokendreams> can i run linux sofware on it or only linux for pocketpc software?
[03:13] <sambagirl> it's better than AOL
[03:13] <sambagirl> :D
[03:14] <Insomniac-> there's only one way to find out whether you'll like it: try it :)
[03:15] <brokendreams> i dont have a pocket pc lol
[03:15] <Insomniac-> what's the noise level like with stock amd cpu coolers? i can't seem to find specs on amd's site
[03:15] <brokendreams> and if i messed with my brothers
[03:15] <brokendreams> hed get mad
[03:15] <brokendreams> hes kinda sinsative about his stuff
[03:15] <Insomniac-> brokendreams: just ask him at dinner or something whether can do a backup and try linux on the thing
[03:16] <Insomniac-> whether you*
[03:16] <brokendreams> wouldent trust me
[03:16] <brokendreams> lol
[03:17] <brokendreams> i just want to see if i can connect it before buying it
[03:17] <sambagirl> well then forget this thing then.
[03:17] <brokendreams> i'll ask him..sometime
[03:17] <sambagirl> well you not know if you not try, and since your not try, you not know.
[03:18] <sambagirl> so your just living a brokendream
[03:18] <brokendreams> lol
[03:19] <brokendreams> ill look for a chance to ask him
[03:19] <brokendreams> oh well
[03:19] <brokendreams> by guys
[03:20] <sambagirl> i betting he never ask him ;)
[03:20] <Insomniac-> i'm betting he'll ponder asking for another week or so, and when he finally does his brother says no
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> I tweaked my runlevels a bit and now KDM starts ok, but the tty stays at 1 and should switch to 7
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> how to get my default runlevels back?
[03:22] <Insomniac-> just edit them
[03:23] <Insomniac-> i don't think that has to do with the actual kdm initscript
[03:23] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: yes, but I want to know the defaults
[03:24] <Insomniac-> did you edit any initscript or just change in which runlevels they start?
[03:24] <mrj> hey
[03:24] <mrj> Insomniac-:  help me pls
[03:24] <mrj> i ve installed a mplayer
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> I did turn off some processes with sysv-rc-conf
[03:24] <mrj> and mplayer fonts
[03:24] <mrj> and i wanna use cyrillic fonts
[03:25] <Insomniac-> you can use any font but iirc mplayer specifically wants truetype fonts
[03:25] <mrj> there are cyrillic fonts in /usr/share/mplayer/fonts but they are raw fonts
[03:25] <sambagirl> mplayer...use vlc
[03:25] <mrj> how could i convert them to ttf ?
[03:25] <mrj> sambagirl:  :)
[03:25] <Insomniac-> mrj: i don't know if that is possible
[03:26] <mrj> Insomniac-: i think so
[03:26] <Insomniac-> mrj: see if you have any cyrillic ttf font
[03:26] <mrj> Insomniac-:  how can i see that
[03:26] <mrj> even the xfonts-cyrillic is not installed
[03:26] <mrj> i can not find it on a repository
[03:27] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: I fixed it now
[03:27] <mrj> and when i download it and try to install it with dpkg  i encourage errors
[03:27] <Insomniac-> find /usr/share/fonts -name *.ttf | grep cyrillic
[03:27] <jeroenvrp> by turning on the evms service
[03:27] <mrj> nope
[03:27] <mrj> not at all
[03:27] <Insomniac-> find some cyrillic ttf font using google and install that
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> this is very strange, because on the PC I'm working now (I have 2 kubuntu installs) turning off  evms does not make any difference
[03:28] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: weird
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> and what has  evms (Enterprise Volume Management System) to do with X or KDM
[03:28] <jeroenvrp> ?
[03:28] <Insomniac-> by my logic kdm is kdm (is kdm.. ) and the initscript isn't affected by other stuff
[03:29] <mrj> does it matter if they are windows ttf or linux ttf ?
[03:29] <Insomniac-> mrj: i don't think so, but i'm not 100% sure
[03:29] <jeroenvrp> the only difference is kde 3.4.3 and kde 3.5 (the one with evms)
[03:30] <Insomniac-> evms has nothing to do with X/KDE/KDM
[03:30] <jeroenvrp> and why is evms default
[03:30] <Insomniac-> for corporate deployments probably
[03:30] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: but I tested it twice and that service indeed did the trick
[03:30] <LeeJunFan> who will give me a dollar to change my nick to LinusTorvalds and join #gnome today? :)
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> can someone please check on which runlevers evms is set?
[03:31] <mrj> !cyrillic
[03:31] <ubotflu> mrj: Do they come in packets of five?
[03:31] <mrj> !cp11251
[03:31] <ubotflu> mrj: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> Now I have put on 2-3-4-5
[03:31] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: see if you can find the actual command in the evms initscript that fixes your problem, you might want to report that as a bug
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: I should do that yes
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: can you see the runlevels evms is set
[03:32] <wimpies> looking for libdvdcss2 package ... ?
[03:32] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: hold on
[03:32] <Insomniac-> keep in mind my initscripts are not default kubuntu
[03:32] <wimpies> !libdvdcss2
[03:32] <ubotflu> wimpies: No idea
[03:32] <Insomniac-> i don't remember if i changed evms
[03:33] <jeroenvrp> is it om?
[03:33] <jeroenvrp> on?
[03:33] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: runlevels 0, 6 and S
[03:33] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: aha, thanks
[03:33] <Insomniac-> but my runlevels might not be stock kubuntu
[03:34] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: I try that and see if the problem is still fixed
[03:34] <kalenedrael> Ok, there's a problem here with dist-upgrade.
[03:35] <kalenedrael> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-sip4-qt3_4.2.1-1ubuntu4_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[03:35] <kalenedrael>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/sipconfig.py', which is also in package python2.4-sip-qt3
[03:35] <kalenedrael> How can I fix this?
[03:36] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: with those runlevels the problem si back
[03:37] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: see if apt has an option to overwrite old config files forcefully
[03:37] <kalenedrael> What if I just remove the old file?
[03:37] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: that would work but if there are more errors it'll take you more time to find and delete them all
[03:38] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: now that you mention it, my system also starts in tty1 sometimes
[03:38] <kalenedrael> Hm, ok.
[03:38] <Insomniac-> jeroenvrp: didn't think of it because i don't reboot much
[03:39] <jeroenvrp> Insomniac-: mmm seems like a real bug than
[03:39] <Insomniac-> i thought it was a problem that was connected to using xinerama
[03:39] <Coolio10> hi
[03:40] <Coolio10> if i installed kubuntu from an ubuntu installation how would it work?
[03:40] <Coolio10> would it just read inoformation from the ubuntu install?
[03:40] <Insomniac-> apt-get install kde-desktop
[03:40] <Insomniac-> no need for the kubuntu install cd
[03:40] <Coolio10> yes i know but how would it work?
[03:40] <Insomniac-> it would add kde packages to your system
[03:40] <Coolio10> ok
[03:41] <Insomniac-> you could choose to use kde or gnome in the graphical login manager
[03:41] <Coolio10> ok
[03:41] <Coolio10> thanks
[03:41] <Coolio10> i had problems with kubuntu so ill try ubuntu and install kubuntu on it
[03:41] <nalioth> Insomniac-: it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <nalioth> Coolio10: it'd allow you to choose which session you want to use (kde, gnome, etc)
[03:42] <Coolio10> it wasnt detecting my video card well so i had really low res
[03:42] <Insomniac-> nalioth: right.. was wondering whether that was correct
[03:42] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, I tried removing the file but it still complains that it's there and it's going to be overridden.
[03:42] <nalioth> Coolio10: there is also xubuntu
[03:42] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[03:42] <ubotflu> rumour has it, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[03:42] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: see if apt has an option to forcefully overwrite
[03:42] <Coolio10> is xubuntu any good?
[03:42] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, no, it doesn't...
[03:43] <crimsun> ubotflu: xubuntu ~= s/XFCE instead of Gnome/Xfce instead of GNOME/
[03:43] <ubotflu> crimsun: Syntax error in line 1
[03:43] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: hmm i'm not sure how to fix it then
[03:43] <crimsun> ubotflu: xubuntu =~ s/XFCE instead of Gnome/Xfce instead of GNOME/
[03:43] <ubotflu> OK, crimsun
[03:44] <Coolio10> is it possible to get xfce/kde/gnome in one ubuntu install because you can get xubuntu-desktop package from synpatic
[03:44] <Insomniac-> sure
[03:45] <Coolio10> thats would be about 30gb?
[03:45] <Insomniac-> i doubt adding 2 wm's would use more than 2gb
[03:45] <nalioth> Coolio10: you'd have to issue multiple arguments to get all of it at once
[03:45] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, I'm using dpkg manually.
[03:46] <kalenedrael> Last time I did that, though, a full reinstall was required :P
[03:46] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: dpkg has --force options, see the manpage
[03:46] <Coolio10> would ubuntu and kubuntu be fine?
[03:46] <Coolio10> thats about 15gb?
[03:47] <Coolio10> i have enough free space
[03:47] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, correct, I used the proper --force options.
[03:47] <Insomniac-> kalenedrael: still not working?
[03:47] <nalioth> Coolio10: xubuntu takes up almost no space at all, go for a trifecta
[03:48] <kalenedrael> Insomniac-, well, it's crunching. I'm running sudo apt-get -f install.
[03:48] <kalenedrael> Looks functional so far.
[03:50] <Insomniac-> Coolio10: i doubt you'll need more than 5gb as / unless it includes your home directory
[03:55] <Coolio10> well im quiete a downloader soyou dont know how much space i can consume very quickly!
[03:55] <Coolio10> how much space does a  linux app use?
[03:55] <Coolio10> average use
[03:57] <kalenedrael> How big is a rock?
[03:57] <manveru> average rock
[03:57] <sambagirl> how big is a blackhole?
[03:57] <manveru> how big is a house...
[03:57] <sambagirl> how big is a blackhole?
[03:57] <LeeJunFan> Yo mamma is so big!
[03:58] <manveru> sambagirl: it has no size... well - at least nobody would be able to measure it ^^
[03:58] <sambagirl> sure you can measure if your in blackhole time and space continuim using blackhole toolkit ;)
[04:00] <manveru> in this case you might get very odd results :)
[04:00] <sambagirl> :)
[04:01] <manveru> Coolio10: the average size is 1kb-400mb ... does that help you?
[04:01] <Coolio10> brb guys just gonna remove kubuntu and install ubuntu then will be back!
[04:01] <Coolio10> k thanks
[04:01] <Coolio10> not too much so i will give 15gb for my docs and programs
[04:02] <sambagirl> why he is doing this?
[04:02] <Tm_T> because nobody said "NO!" ?
[04:02] <Coolio10> why is who doing what?
[04:02] <manveru> why are _you_ doing _that_?
[04:03] <manveru> [04:01]  <Coolio10> brb guys just gonna remove kubuntu and install ubuntu then will be back!
[04:03] <Coolio10> ??
[04:03] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[04:03] <Insomniac-> replacing kubuntu with ubuntu is pointless, you could just install the gnome packages
[04:03] <Coolio10> bored
[04:03] <manveru> yeah, like Insomniac- says
[04:03] <Coolio10> i was unsuccessful with kubuntu
[04:04] <manveru> in what aspect?
[04:04] <Coolio10> i messed up my first install so now my other ones are missing lots of the install steps
[04:04] <Coolio10> so im missing resolutions and many other computer setup
[04:05] <manveru> hmm i see...
[04:05] <manveru> well, when you're bored anyway :)
[04:05] <Insomniac-> reconfigure X to fix the resolution setup
[04:05] <Coolio10> so i will try ubuntu to see if it is also skipping steps and acting odd
[04:05] <Coolio10> i tried reconfigure x and the last step to configure it i dont understand
[04:05] <Insomniac-> what is the last step?
[04:05] <Coolio10> brb
[04:05] <Coolio10> ill check
[04:09] <sambagirl> why you not going out on a date instead of playing with your ubuntu?
[04:10] <Tm_T> because it's 0510 here
[04:12] <manveru> it's 04:11 here...
[04:13] <ProtectYaNeck> can some one tell me or point me to an article which lists some of the biggest differences between kde and gnome?
[04:13] <kkathman> hi manveru :)
[04:13] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: linus torvalds says : use KDE and stay happy :)
[04:13] <manveru> kkathman: hey ^^
[04:14] <kkathman> thats right :) just saw that article today
[04:14] <Tm_T> ProtectYaNeck: I can tell them: Gnome is simpler, that means more restrictive (but if you like the way gnome is...)
[04:14] <Tm_T> KDE has more gnobs and switches
[04:14] <coolio10> im back
[04:14] <Tm_T> that means, more configurable
[04:15] <manveru> coolio10: hey - what did you find out
[04:15] <ProtectYaNeck> heh, I guess I sould have expected biased answers in #kubuntu
[04:15] <coolio10> its the step where it lets you choose what modules for xserver
[04:15] <coolio10> i dont know how to select the modules
[04:15] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: yeap - you should...
[04:15] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: but there are really few articles about that topic that are not biased...
[04:15] <ProtectYaNeck> yeah I know, that's why I've been asking people
[04:15] <coolio10> if i press enter it just goes to the next step so i want to know how to turn the modules on and off without going to the next step
[04:16] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: maybe you just ask the guys on #ubuntu what they like about GNOME and compare it to our opinions
[04:16] <ProtectYaNeck> it's hard to weigh out the snr in kde vs. gnome articles
[04:16] <Tm_T> hard to be unbiased when gnome sucks so hard ;--P
[04:16] <coolio10> it just has stars next to the modules
[04:16] <kkathman> lol Tm_T :)
[04:16] <manveru> ProtectYaNeck: i would suggest that you just install them both and find it out for yourself
[04:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: aye, I can't even set printer working, tried it several times
[04:16] <kkathman> hmm
[04:17] <Tm_T> kkathman: in KDE? hum, click this and that... voil
[04:17] <kkathman> Tm_T:  do you use thunderbird mail or kontact?
[04:17] <Tm_T> Kmail (Kontact)
[04:17] <kkathman> er kmail
[04:17] <kkathman> ok
[04:17] <Tm_T> used thunderbird
[04:17] <manveru> thunderbird is just not cutting the edge...
[04:18] <kkathman> Tm_T: you know how to interface Thunderbird directly into FF under LInux, cuz FFx doesnt have the same things the WIndows Version has :(
[04:18] <Tm_T> it just don't talk with my other apps like Kmail does
[04:18] <manveru> it was ok for me in windows - but on linux there is kmail so much better :)
[04:18] <kkathman> manveru: exactly
[04:18] <kkathman> both FFox and Tbird are signifacantly less in the LInux version
[04:19] <Tm_T> both are light
[04:19] <manveru> this is why konqueror is a rising star
[04:19] <Tm_T> both are good in light use
[04:19] <kkathman> yah but konqy just doesnt render some sites out there..or renders them oddly
[04:19] <manveru> coolio10: where are you right now?
[04:19] <kkathman> sorry :(
[04:19] <manveru> hey, firefox isn't perfect as well :)
[04:19] <coolio10> in konversation
[04:20] <manveru> but both are _so_ much better than ie ^^
[04:20] <manveru> coolio10: so you are on the computer that has the setup-problems?
[04:20] <manveru> coolio10: and X is running
[04:20] <kkathman> manveru: yes you are right..FFox isnt
[04:20] <manveru> coolio10: that means you only have problems setting the resolution?
[04:20] <kkathman> but wow if you get that FasterFox extension it FLIES
[04:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: like http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/
[04:21] <coolio10> yes
[04:21] <manveru> kkathman: got it, this is why i use ff 1.5 :)
[04:21] <kkathman> yah
[04:21] <manveru> coolio10: ok, please do the following
[04:22] <manveru> coolio10: please tell me what graphics-card you're using
[04:22] <kkathman> dont get me wrong..Konqy does a pretty good job..and its a very good file manager
[04:23] <manveru> kkathman: there should be a pastebincat-program that works like cat, just pastes it to the net :)
[04:23] <coolio10> im using Nvidia GeForce 4 MX Integrated GPU
[04:23] <rafx> speakin of tbird, anyone know if 1.5 will be out soon or if 1.5rc can use autoupdate to grab 1.5 release?
[04:23] <coolio10> xserver supports it and has it on thelist its just that im having problems going through the reconfiguew
[04:25] <Insomniac-> coolio10: if you know what the module is called (nv or nvidia in your case) you can also edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly
[04:26] <coolio10> what do i need to editi nside it im in it now
[04:26] <Insomniac-> the device section
[04:26] <Insomniac-> it'll have a line Driver "something"
[04:27] <manveru> damnit... back again...
[04:27] <Insomniac-> change something to nv or nvidia if you have the binary driver installed
[04:28] <coolio10> Section "Device"
[04:28] <coolio10> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[04:28] <coolio10> 	Driver		"nv"
[04:28] <coolio10> 	BusID		"PCI:2:0:0"
[04:28] <coolio10> EndSection
[04:28] <Insomniac-> and that doesn't work for you?
[04:28] <coolio10> nope
[04:28] <Insomniac-> or do you want higher resolutions?
[04:29] <coolio10> i go to system settings then display but only have 2 low resolutions
[04:29] <coolio10> i want higher
[04:29] <Insomniac-> go to the Screen section
[04:29] <Insomniac-> it'll list some resolutions
[04:29] <Insomniac-> add the ones you want
[04:29] <manveru> he could just run dexconf ...
[04:30] <coolio10> Section "Screen"
[04:30] <coolio10> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[04:30] <coolio10> 	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[04:30] <coolio10> 	Monitor		"SyncMaster"
[04:30] <Insomniac-> manveru: he's not able to do it with the config frontend
[04:30] <coolio10> 	DefaultDepth	24
[04:30] <coolio10> 	SubSection "Display"
[04:30] <coolio10> 		Depth		1
[04:30] <coolio10> 		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:30] <coolio10> 	EndSubSection
[04:30] <coolio10> it has the res o want but i cant use them for some reason
[04:30] <Insomniac-> coolio10: what res are you running at now?
[04:30] <manveru> Insomniac-: that implies no frontent... it's fully automagic
[04:30] <Insomniac-> manveru: not automagic for him
[04:31] <coolio10> 640by480
[04:31] <manveru>                 Modes           "1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:31] <manveru> that's mine for 24...
[04:31] <nalioth> coolio10: <ahem> /topic ?
[04:31] <nalioth> pasting is so rude
[04:31] <coolio10> sorry
[04:31] <Tm_T> aye
[04:32] <Insomniac-> coolio10: see what it lists for defaultdepth 24
[04:32] <coolio10> cant get to the paste bin with this resoltuion
[04:32] <Tm_T> you can a roo you can
[04:33] <coolio10> it doesnt have any
[04:33] <Insomniac-> ah there is your problem
[04:33] <Insomniac-> change Depth 1 to Depth 24
[04:33] <Tm_T> whoa
[04:33] <Insomniac-> you'll probably never use Depth 1 anyway
[04:33] <Tm_T> humm, hard b/W
[04:33] <Tm_T> 1 bit colour depth
[04:34] <coolio10> Section "Screen"
[04:34] <coolio10> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[04:34] <coolio10> 	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[04:34] <coolio10> 	Monitor		"SyncMaster"
[04:34] <coolio10> 	DefaultDepth	24
[04:34] <coolio10> 	SubSection "Display"
[04:34] <coolio10> 		Depth		1
[04:34] <coolio10> 		Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:34] <coolio10> 	EndSubSection
[04:34] <coolio10> oops
[04:34] <coolio10> didnt mean to do that
[04:34] <coolio10> not used to kde
[04:35] <coolio10> for 24 i have all the sizes i need

[04:35] <coolio10> and the default is set to 24 already
[04:35] <Insomniac-> ok then it should work
[04:35] <Insomniac-> save the xorg.conf
[04:35] <Insomniac-> and restart X
[04:35] <nalioth> coolio10: restart X by "ctrl-alt-bksp"
[04:37] <coolio10> still doesnt work
[04:37] <Insomniac-> coolio10: paste your xorg.conf at pastebin and i'll take a look
[04:37] <manveru> coolio10: try changing it with ctrl+alt+-/+
[04:38] <manveru> the - or + from the numpad
[04:38] <coolio10> no luck
[04:38] <manveru> :|
[04:40] <coolio10> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463242
[04:41] <nalioth> coolio10: i'm sorry i'm not familiar with your original question, can you refresh me?
[04:41] <coolio10> how to change the resolution
[04:41] <coolio10> because my install didnt go so smooth
[04:41] <Insomniac-> coolio10: your xorg.conf file seems to be valid
[04:42] <Insomniac-> you should be running at 1024x768 at 24 bit
[04:42] <Insomniac-> by default
[04:42] <coolio10> hmmm
[04:42] <coolio10> very odd
[04:42] <nalioth> coolio10: watch ubotu
[04:42] <Insomniac-> do you see any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[04:42] <nalioth> !xcfg
[04:42] <ubotu> xcfg is, like, totally, to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:43] <Insomniac-> nalioth: he's already tryed that
[04:43] <nalioth> coolio10: when you get to the part where you choose resolutions, use the space bar to deselect the ones you won't use
[04:44] <coolio10> what about choosing the ones i want?
[04:44] <coolio10> are you talking about the res part during the installation?
[04:45] <nalioth> coolio10: if you only work in ONE rez, why do you need choices?
[04:46] <coolio10> ?
[04:46] <Insomniac-> nalioth: he's stuck at 640x480
[04:46] <manveru> nalioth: if i only use vim, why do STILL have nano? :)
[04:46] <manveru> +i somewhere in between...
[04:46] <Insomniac-> coolio10: do you see any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[04:47] <Insomniac-> manveru: because you didn't build your own distro
[04:47] <Insomniac-> (:
[04:47] <nalioth> coolio10: deselect everything BUT the rez you want
[04:47] <manveru> Insomniac-: ^^ - no, i'm only too lazy to uninstall all the stuff i don't use
[04:47] <coolio10> deselect it where
[04:47] <frank23> hi everyone check this out http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00025.html
[04:48] <frank23> in response to linus supporting kde
[04:48] <manveru> frank23: we know it already :)
[04:48] <frank23> manveru: the response?
[04:48] <Insomniac-> what does linus have to do with kde?
[04:48] <coolio10> from where?
[04:49] <manveru> frank23: uhm, yeah - i have read the whole thread
[04:49] <Insomniac-> coolio10: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at pastebin, i'll take a look at it
[04:49] <manveru> Insomniac-: he just said that users should stick with kde, that's all
[04:49] <frank23> manveru: I thought the feature-phobic vs feature-slut comparison was funny
[04:50] <Insomniac-> manveru: i agree with linus
[04:50] <manveru> frank23: ok, you're right on that :)
[04:51] <coolio10> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/463251
[04:51] <Insomniac-> linus tends to have a funny way of stating the obvious
[04:51] <coolio10> it says hsync out of range on many of the res i want
[04:52] <nalioth> coolio10: at the part where it asks you to select the resolutions you want to use
[04:52] <Insomniac-> coolio10: google for your monitor's horizontal and vertical sync rates
[04:52] <Insomniac-> coolio10: and add those to the config
[04:52] <manveru> frank23: well, i still think the kde-feature-phobics are way better... ^^
[04:52] <nalioth> coolio10: i have no idea what that pastebin was
[04:53] <Insomniac-> nalioth: his xorg.conf is fine
[04:53] <Insomniac-> nalioth: his Xorg.0.log shows alot of hsync out of range messages
[04:53] <manveru> frank23: and, no matter what linus says, i will stick with my e17 anyway
[04:53] <Insomniac-> maybe the autodetection of sync rates is messing up
[04:53] <nalioth> coolio10: problem solver: use the VESA driver
[04:54] <Insomniac-> vesa doesn't go over 1024x768
[04:54] <frank23> manveru: I never tried e17... the only things I heard about it were about the eye candy
[04:55] <manveru> frank23: after a while you don't care about eye-candy anymore, it has much more qualities :)
[04:55] <ejofee> please give me a link to a latest howto on installing nvidia in ubuntu
[04:55] <coolio10> i dont get how to find the vertical sync rates?
[04:55] <manveru> !nvidia
[04:55] <coolio10> how can i just search it on google?
[04:55] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:56] <Insomniac-> coolio10: if you don't need resolutions over 1024x768 i suggest you use the vesa driver
[04:56] <manveru> coolio10: you need to know what monitor you have
[04:56] <Insomniac-> coolio10: change Driver "nv" to Driver "vesa"
[04:56] <nalioth> Insomniac-: i beg to differ re VESA and it's rez capability
[04:56] <Insomniac-> nalioth: haven't seen it do 1152x864 here
[05:01] <nano> is there any diff between kubuntu and installing kde while in ubuntu?
[05:01] <Insomniac-> kubuntu doesn't come with gnome packages by default, other than that, i don't think much if anything
[05:01] <nalioth> nano: installing kde in ubuntu will get you less stuff
[05:02] <nalioth> nano: for a full-featured kde environment, install kubuntu-desktop
[05:02] <nano> could i install that from ubuntu itself?
[05:03] <nalioth> nano: of course. "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[05:03] <nalioth> nano: dont forget xubuntu
[05:03] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[05:03] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[05:03] <nano> wow thanks a bunch guys
[05:04] <nano> I did install xfce from synaptic
[05:04] <nano> and I use that
[05:05] <nano> but is it any different from xubuntu?
[05:05] <nano> i mean in terms of performance etc.
[05:06] <manveru> hmm, no
[05:06] <EricBetts> are there laptop power management options for kubuntu anywhere besides the screensave or the battery power mangement?
[05:06] <nano> thanks manveru
[05:06] <EricBetts> i've disabled everything nad my system still goes into standby if i'm gone for more than 5min
[05:06] <freelove> i dont think hibernate works in kubuntu..........
[05:06] <nano> ubotu, could you get the hardware sensors working in xubuntu?
[05:06] <ubotu> nano: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:07] <nalioth> nano: again, xubuntu installs a 'complete' desktop environment, not just xfce4
[05:07] <nalioth> nano: and xfce and xfce4 are two different things
[05:07] <nano> "complete desktop environment", like can you give me some examples?
[05:08] <nano> if i just do an apt-get xfce 4
[05:08] <nalioth> nano: go visit the link ubotu posted above and it'll explain
[05:09] <nano> nalioth, ok
[05:09] <milksteak> nano, doing that only installs xfce4
[05:09] <manveru> hmm, i will give this xubuntu a try...
[05:09] <milksteak> xubuntu-desktop installs some others
[05:09] <milksteak> like firefox and the like
[05:09] <manveru> firefox??
[05:10] <nalioth> manveru: *-desktop installs things so you can use the system immediately and not have to install a ftp client or browser
[05:11] <manveru> really?
[05:11] <ejofee> why does it take so long until "alt+f1 (etc.)" switches from a graphical display to a text tty (or between graphical displays)? how do i fix this?
[05:11] <manveru> funny :)
[05:11] <nalioth> ejofee: get a faster computer
[05:11] <manveru> ejofee: you cannot fix that...
[05:12] <ejofee> nalioth: on the same computer, some other distros do it immediately; i now use a very fast computer, anyway
[05:12] <manveru> ejofee: use a proper console in your x11 - those ttys are more for fallback...
[05:12] <nalioth> ejofee: then i'm at a loss
[05:12] <ejofee> manveru: why do you think i can't fix that
[05:12] <nano> nalioth, thanks now I got the difference :)
[05:12] <manveru> ejofee: because i think i couldn't fix it :)
[05:13] <ejofee> manveru: what does it mean use a proper console? i am *also* talking about switching between graphical session. you're just advising me to solve the problem by avoiding it.
[05:13] <manveru> ejofee: in fact, this is how the world works...
[05:13] <ejofee> manveru: i thought there were some clear technical reasons why this is impossible.
[05:13] <ejofee> manveru :)
[05:13] <nano> nalioth, i've more more question: let's say I've ubuntu installed at first and then I install xfce4 desktop, and then I log in using xfce session, would it take more resources in any way?
[05:14] <manveru> ejofee: they don't repair the world, instead we should use solar-mobiles and use waterpower :)
[05:14] <nalioth> nano: if you installed xubuntu you would be using less resources (xubuntu was devised for older slower systems)
[05:14] <ejofee> manveru: i think filling the world with chemicals is nice
[05:15] <ejofee> manveru: it's our world, after all ;)
[05:15] <manveru> ejofee: hehe :)
[05:15] <nano> nalioth, so i should reinstall using xubuntu CD?
[05:15] <nalioth> nano: no, all can be installed using apt-get and the network
[05:16] <manveru> ejofee: but you're right, it doesn't help much with switching between x11s
[05:16] <nano> nalioth, so just installing xfce desktop from apt-get would do fine right?
[05:16] <nalioth> nano: correct as long as you are using breezy
[05:16] <nano> nalioth, yeah I use breezy
[05:16] <manveru> ejofee: but i wrote this before you wrote that line and i didn't want to waste all these characters...
[05:17] <kalenedrael> Ok, back after a dist-upgrade.
[05:17] <kalenedrael> OpenOffice is still fucked.
[05:18] <nalioth> kalenedrael: language please
[05:18] <nano> kalenedrael, in what way?
[05:18] <kalenedrael> Sorry.
[05:18] <nano> kalenedrael, i mean wat are the problems
[05:18] <kalenedrael> OpenOffice gives a segfault when starting.
[05:18] <kalenedrael> /usr/bin/oowriter: line 292:  9442 Segmentation fault      /usr/lib/openoffice${VER}/program/setup -nogui -R:/etc/openoffice${VER}/autoresponse.conf
[05:19] <MachineScrew> any one know of a KDE net cam app for facial recognition or motion detection
[05:19] <nano> MachineScrew, not sure about net cam, but OpenCV is a good tool for computer vision apps like facial recog and motion detection
[05:20] <MachineScrew> ok
[05:21] <MachineScrew> it works with V4L drivers right
[05:21] <nano> yup
[05:21] <nano> MachineScrew, http://www.intel.com/technology/computing/opencv/index.htm
[05:21] <nano> OpenCV stands for open computer vision libraries
[05:21] <kalenedrael> So, um, anyone have any ideas?
[05:22] <MachineScrew> ya I am looking for end user apps
[05:23] <Insomniac-> nano: does that include pattern detection?
[05:23] <Insomniac-> i'm looking for a pattern detection library
[05:24] <nano> Insomniac, there are lot of generic as well as speicific functions available in the libraries
[05:24] <nano> Insomniac, so you could code your own detection algo using them
[05:24] <Insomniac-> nano: ty, i'll take a look at it
[05:24] <Insomniac-> i'm working on a project to use a laser pointer to play fps games
[05:24] <nano> Insomniac, however they work good in Intel processors only
[05:25] <nano> Insomniac, i mean they've been optimized for intel processors
[05:25] <Insomniac-> that's ok this webcam doesn't have a high framerate anyway
[05:25] <nano> Insomniac, yeah true
[05:27] <Insomniac-> i'd love to play fps games on my video projector using these bb guns with laser i bought in france :)
[05:28] <nano> Insomniac, what's your fav game? Counter Strike? :)
[05:28] <Insomniac-> tfc
[05:33] <Insomniac-> counterstrike is nice on half-life 2 but unfortunately hl2 doesn't run here very well
[05:34] <Insomniac-> nano: does steam work with wine?
[05:48] <nano> Insomniac, never played on linux :P
[05:52] <ejofee> how do i make sure which the right linux-headers is for my system? just compare it with "uname -r", or is there something else that i need to know?
[05:53] <Insomniac-> uname -r
[05:54] <ejofee> Insomniac-: thanks
[05:54] <ejofee> then i got it right: shfs is somehow broken
[05:57] <nano> guys I think this is the best firefox evangelism ever :) : http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/?seenIEPage=1
[05:58] <MrClever> nano: that's priceless - linking to my website now :)
[05:59] <nano> :D
[06:02] <kalenedrael> Well, this dist-upgrade didn't do anything.
[06:03] <MrClever> A bit OT - but how's this for a neat piece of kit:  http://www.zyxel.com/products/model.php?indexcate=1102502636&indexcate1=&indexFlagvalue=1021876859
[06:03] <kalenedrael> OpenOffice is still borked.
[06:03] <kalenedrael> I saw a bug report that was marked 'closed' since it was reputed not to exist anymore.
[06:04] <kalenedrael> It still exists, dammit.
[06:08] <nalioth> kalenedrael: so reopen it
[06:09] <kalenedrael> Will do!
[06:26] <CWhiz> Is there an easy way to force any web page, anywhere, to open in Firefox instead of Konqueror?  Thanks :)
[06:26] <EricBetts> how can i disable my laptop going into standby?
[06:27] <nalioth> EricBetts: screensaver energy settings?
[06:27] <EricBetts> already off
[06:28] <MachineScrew> EricBetts: standby dosn't work
[06:28] <MachineScrew> EricBetts: true standby eg. supsend to ram
[06:29] <MachineScrew> EricBetts: on the other hand hibernation works
[06:30] <EricBetts> not supported on my machine
[06:30] <MachineScrew> oh well that sucks
[06:30] <MachineScrew> works on mine
[06:30] <EricBetts> ut after about 5 minutes, the scvreen goes off and i can't get it back on by just moving the mouse, it requires me hitting ctrl+alt+f7 a couple times then moving the mouse
[06:31] <EricBetts> i'm trying to disable all powre management on this laptop, i was it to stay on like a desktop would, regardless of external power
[06:31] <CWhiz> EricBetts: Check your BIOS.  Sometimes the BIOS has power management settings that can't be turned off by the operating system.
[06:32] <MachineScrew> oh ok
[06:32] <MachineScrew> disable acpi
[06:32] <EricBetts> CWhiz: hmm...i'll look into it
[06:33] <MachineScrew> acpi=off at the end of the line for your grub.conf or menu.lst will turn it off
[06:33] <MachineScrew> make shure DPMS in the xorg.conf file is also disabled
[06:34] <EricBetts> MachineScrew: oh damnit, i know about that thing, let me check on it
[06:34] <MachineScrew> ok
[06:35] <EricBetts> yeah, its on.  is there a way to control it, modify it?
[06:36] <EricBetts> i have the kscreensaver settings set to not do any power mangement
[06:36] <nalioth> kalenedrael: EricBetts wants to know how to keep his lappy from going into standby, iirc
[06:36] <MachineScrew> ya in the xorg.conf just put a # infront of the Line for DPMS
[06:37] <EricBetts> MachineScrew: i'm aware of how to comment it out, but how could i leave it on, and edit its details (how long, etc)
[06:38] <MachineScrew> oh thats controled by the power options in System Settings or Kcontrol
[06:38] <CWhiz> Never mind, found it.  THanks.
[06:39] <MachineScrew> EricBetts: actualy in the Display settings
[06:39] <MachineScrew> 2nd tab
[06:41] <nalioth> kkathman: i didnt tab your name completely, see the comment to kalenedrael above
[06:41] <nalioth> kalenedrael: sorry, you're a victim of tab incompletion
[06:42] <kkathman> I think I came in after that nalioth  :)
[06:42] <kkathman> whats the prob if it still exists?
[06:42] <nalioth> kkathman: you have it in your buffer
[06:45] <kkathman> kalenedrael: if you are still experiencing an issue could you explain?
[06:46] <nalioth> kkathman:  EricBetts wants to know how to keep his lappy from going into standby, iirc
[06:47] <EricBetts> yeah, backlog
[06:47] <kkathman> I think on the laptops there are some power settings and those need to be configured, and maybe even on the laptop itself
[06:48] <kkathman> part of those settings are in the chips of some laptops
[06:48] <EricBetts> i'll keep asking around
[06:49] <nalioth> kkathman: ty
[06:50] <kkathman> oops I had one other question
[06:50] <kkathman> there are some speicifics you have to do if its  Thinkpad
[06:51] <kkathman> I had read it somewhere and was looking it up
[06:51] <kkathman> too slow :(
[06:56] <kalenedrael> kkathman, yes
[06:56] <kalenedrael> er
[06:56] <kalenedrael> Umm...
[06:56] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: you up?
[06:56] <Insomniac-> yah
[06:56] <DJ_Mer_> woo
[06:56] <DJ_Mer_> I love you
[06:56] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[06:57] <Insomniac-> heh
[06:57] <DJ_Mer_> I just bought the best cookies ever...
[06:57] <Insomniac-> spacecake?
[06:57] <Insomniac-> or space brownies
[07:13] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i kicked the kubuntu box
[07:13] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: it just wouldn't frickin run icecastr
[07:14] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: so now i got shoutcast working but i don't know how to broadcast to it with xmms
[07:19] <corona> hi does anyone know of a resource or how-to on resizing root partititon?
[07:27] <dutch> good night all
[07:36] <DJ_Mer_> ?
[07:37] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: you still haven't told me what kind of cookies you bought
[07:44] <CryptoQu1ck> Hello everyone; I'm having a slight problem with the PPC Kubuntu installer. It doesn't see my OS X partition, nor my free space. Any ideas?
[07:45] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: ohh... they are these frosted sugar cookie things.
[07:46] <sp> hi
[07:46] <sp> new to this
[07:46] <sp> can i get some help here?
[07:47] <kkathman> wasuup
[07:47] <sp> installed ubuntu as a dual boot (first time with linux)
[07:48] <sp> sound does not work... all else perfect
[07:48] <sp> checked out ubuntuforums
[07:48] <sp> tried stuff... no luck
[07:48] <kkathman> what are you using to test the sound?
[07:48] <CryptoQu1ck> I've had luck with the ALSA libraries, but, I'm running PPC.
[07:48] <kkathman> you on kubuntu or ubuntu?
[07:48] <sp> tried speakers and headphones
[07:48] <sp> kubuntu
[07:49] <sp> tried OSS and ALSA
[07:49] <sp> checked BIOS for sound enabled (it is)
[07:49] <kkathman> you tried kaffeine for instance?
[07:50] <sp> tried kaffeine.. xmms... etc
[07:50] <sp> not even midi sound
[07:50] <kkathman> try this...
[07:50] <sp> k
[07:50] <kkathman> sudo apt-get kaffeine-xine...then go to kaffeine and switch the sound engine to xine
[07:50] <kkathman> oops
[07:50] <kkathman> sudo apt-get install kaffeine-xine
[07:51] <sp> ok
[07:51] <MrClever> sp: try this in a command prompt: "sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" (without the "" obviously)
[07:51] <MrClever> sp: you should hear "white-noise"
[07:51] <MrClever> If not - do you get any errors?
[07:51] <kkathman> good point MrC
[07:52] <sp> trying the cat /dev.....
[07:52] <MrClever> pk
[07:52] <MrClever> ok even
[07:53] <sp> nope
[07:53] <sp> nothing
[07:53] <sp> and no errors either
[07:53] <MrClever> No errors?
[07:53] <MrClever> Hmmm, what do you get with "lsmod | grep -i alsa"
[07:53] <MrClever> and again with "oss" instead of "alsa"
[07:54] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: doesn't love me now
[07:54] <sp> lsmod|grep... does nothing...
[07:54] <Insomniac-> can't help ya with icecast -- never used it
[07:54] <sp> no errors etc
[07:54] <sp> now trying oss
[07:55] <joel> someone could help ? I have some trouble with my kubuntu...
[07:55] <joel> neither kcontrol nor systemsettings are working
[07:55] <sp> lsmod | grep -i oss         gives
[07:55] <kkathman> what happens when you click?
[07:56] <MrClever> joel: what happens when you run them from the command line (xterm/konsole etc)
[07:56] <kkathman> joel: I.e. when you choose system settings
[07:56] <sp> snd_pcm_oss        55456  1
[07:56] <kkathman> oops sorry MrClever thought you were busy with the other one
[07:56] <MrClever> sp: you don't have the driver for your sound card loaded.
[07:57] <sp> well
[07:57] <MrClever> sp: you should see a line like this - snd  59560  17 snd_mpu401,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[07:57] <sp> the snd_pcm  says ...   snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec...
 : I think it's working if I run them from konsole
[07:58] <MrClever> sp: so the driver IS installed - gotcha
[07:58] <sp> snd_pcm_oss            55456  1
[07:58] <joel> In the KDE menu, they are launched by kdesu
[07:58] <sp> nd_mixer_oss          19712  1 snd_pcm_oss
[07:58] <MrClever> joel: think? Can you confirm - often they spit out lots of info when run from command line if there's a problem
[07:59] <sp> snd_pcm                99336  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[07:59] <sp> snd                    62152  6 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[07:59] <sp> thats the lot
[07:59] <sampan> !pastebin
[07:59] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:59] <MrClever> sp: ok looks like you'
[08:00] <MrClever> have got a standard Intel onboard sound card
[08:00] <sp> yep
[08:00] <sp> thats right
[08:00] <MrClever> sp: are you sure it's the right driver?
[08:00] <sp> got the emachines T5010 machine
[08:00] <sp> and thats what the hardware detection in windows shows
[08:00] <sp> checked the intel site for data on the motherboard
[08:00] <sp> all checks out
[08:00] <MrClever> That's the sound card?
[08:01] <sp> uses the intel HDA system for sound... onboard sound card
[08:01] <sp> or is it Realtek?
[08:01] <MrClever> sp: I thought you were running on PPC?  Not Mac I guess.
[08:01] <sp> nope
[08:01] <sp> not a mac
[08:01] <MrClever> ok - my bad, I see "PPC" and the brain registers "Mac" :P
[08:02] <sp> intel P4 516 chip... running 64 bit ubuntu (as chip has em64t)
[08:02] <CryptoQu1ck> I said PPC... That's probably what confused you, MrClever. Not so clever now, are you, mister?
[08:02] <sampan> lol cryptoqu1ck
[08:02] <MrClever> CryptoQu1ck: apparently not :P
[08:02] <kkathman> lol
 I think kdesu lauch systemsettings for the "root user"...
[08:03] <sampan> joel, are you using a fresh install of breezy kubuntu?
[08:03] <joel> yes
[08:03] <sampan> sounds like the "administrator mode" bug to me
[08:03] <kkathman> sampan -  yes thats where I was going when I was interrupted earlier
[08:03] <CryptoQu1ck> There are bugs in Kubuntu? OMG!
[08:03] <sampan> it got fixed a couple weeks after release -- if you update your kubuntu it should be fixed
[08:04] <joel> it's already updated
[08:04] <joel> with KDE 3.5 and all
[08:04] <sp> tried "kudzu" to detect hardware... does not work. looks like ubuntu does not use it
[08:04] <sampan> kkathman  yeah, you shouldn't stay quiet -- you're one of the most helpful people here :)
[08:04] <ygge> Uhm have a little question :/
[08:04] <MrClever> sp: as in emachines.com?  According to the T5010 spec, it's a Intel P4
[08:04] <kkathman> ahhh 3.5 !
[08:04] <sp> yep
[08:05] <sp> intel P 4 chip... number 516... 2.93 GHz
[08:05] <sampan> joel, oh, well if it's 3.5 then i have no idea -- from what i've heard many people who upgraded to 3.5 are currently downgrading back to 3.4.3 b/c of all the bugsies
[08:05] <joel> lol
[08:05] <sampan> :X
[08:05] <CryptoQu1ck> No kidding?
[08:05] <joel> ok
[08:05] <joel> So, I will be patient
[08:05] <MrClever> sp: ok, a P4 isn't PPC....
[08:05] <CryptoQu1ck> :)
[08:06] <sp> no
[08:06] <sp> its not
[08:06] <sampan> but then again, don't take my word as gospel -- i pretty much tune out 3.5 discussion since i don't care to upgrade presently
[08:06] <kkathman> sampan: I try to be very courteous.  If someone is helping a person, I dont interrupt, because it confuses them.  :X
[08:06] <CryptoQu1ck> Indeed!
[08:07] <MrClever> sp: I'm going cross-eyed, it was someone else who was running PPC....gah
[08:07] <kkathman> thats just my own point of view :)
[08:07] <sp> has the Intel 915GV motherboard with High Def. 6 channel sound
[08:07] <sp> aah.. Mr. Clever
[08:07] <sp> thats what I feel like when I'm working
[08:07] <sp> I'm usually found running like a chicken without a head
[08:08] <MrClever> Yep - doing some digging for ya sp :)
[08:08] <ygge> Is it possible to somehow "uncheck" the keep my password box in adept?
[08:08] <ygge> :/
[08:08] <joel> thank you all
[08:08] <joel> bye
[08:08] <sp> thanks Mr. Clever
[08:08] <sampan> good luck joel
[08:08] <joel> \quit
[08:09] <getafix> can anyone help me change my computers ip and gateway address under kubuntu?
[08:10] <kkathman> getafix: systemsettings - network settings
[08:10] <sp> Mr.Clever
[08:11] <sp> don't know where you'r located
[08:11] <sp> if its getting rather late... I can log in at the same time tomorrow
[08:11] <getafix> sweet
[08:11] <getafix> ta man
[08:11] <kkathman> getafix - you'll need your admin password
[08:12] <CryptoQu1ck> ...
[08:12] <kkathman> then click the eth0 and click the "configure interface"
[08:13] <MrClever> sp: 6:13pm :)
[08:13] <MrClever> EARLY!  I haven't even cracked the top off a beer yet!
[08:13] <sp> aah
[08:13] <sp> cool
[08:14] <sp> its past 11 here... in California
[08:14] <sampan> mmmmmm beer
[08:14] <MrClever> I'm NSW, Australia (East coast, GMT+11)
[08:14] <Chousuke> 09:14 here ;P
[08:14] <CryptoQu1ck> Sp: How's Tookie doing?
[08:14] <Chousuke> ircing from lecture hall.
[08:14] <sampan> tookie's dead :/
[08:15] <MrClever> sp: seems there's heaps on info/support for the 915P but SFA about support for the GV....
[08:15] <MrClever> sp: I'll keep looking...
[08:15] <sp> crypto:  tookie killed by lethal injection...
[08:15] <CryptoQu1ck> Even though he had clementine?
[08:16] <sp> mrclever.. i'll check on that again...
[08:16] <kkathman> clementine?
[08:16] <sampan> they had trouble getting the IV in, so he died 20 minutes late
[08:16] <ygge> Is it possible to somehow "uncheck" the keep my password box in adept?
[08:16] <sp> crypto:  do u mean 'clemency'?
[08:16] <kkathman> he never had clemency
[08:16] <CryptoQu1ck> No, clementine. It's like, he doesn't get killed.
[08:17] <sampan> :|
[08:17] <MrClever> sp: WINNER! But looks like a bit of work - http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/2065/sort/2/cat/475/page/1
[08:17] <sp> aaah.... nope.. no clementine for him
[08:17] <Chousuke> clementine is a fruit?
[08:17] <sp> mr.clever
[08:17] <sp> thanx.
[08:17] <CryptoQu1ck> Oh, crap.
[08:17] <Chousuke> clemency is the word :)
[08:17] <CryptoQu1ck> I'm really confused.
[08:17] <kkathman> thought it was too
[08:18] <MrClever> sp: No problemo dude...I might go and reacquaint myself with the Internet Widow (my wife) - take care.
[08:18] <sp> mrclever... i'll get on it...
[08:18] <sp> thanks a lot
[08:18] <CryptoQu1ck> See ya, Mr Clever.
[08:18] <sampan> cryptoqu1ck  gov. ahhnold denied him clemency because tookie has never admitted his guilt (always maintained his innocence) and thus, according to the governor, never showed true "remorse"
[08:19] <CryptoQu1ck> Oh... So that means he wasn't rehabilitated, huh?
[08:19] <sp> crypto:   far from it....
[08:19] <sampan> according to the governor, yes
[08:19] <CryptoQu1ck> Well, more sudeos here anyway.
[08:20] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: i need to sleep but i can't get to sleep and i am low on ambien i don't wanna waste it.
[08:20] <sp> I think he was on appeals for the past 13 years
[08:20] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: low on ambient light?
[08:20] <CryptoQu1ck> Lamp time's over.
[08:20] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: what are you talking about?
[08:21] <kkathman> ambien - a sleeping aid - Rx
[08:21] <Insomniac-> never heard of it, what is that?
[08:21] <kkathman> a sleeping aid Rx
[08:21] <CryptoQu1ck> Perhaps that's why he's called...
[08:21] <Insomniac-> well yes, but what kind? a drug, something else... ?
[08:22] <kkathman> rx - prescription
[08:22] <CryptoQu1ck> It's a drug, not like melatonin.
[08:22] <Insomniac-> ah
[08:22] <kkathman> Rx = prescription
[08:22] <Insomniac-> then write prescription damn you ;)
[08:22] <CryptoQu1ck> Yeah, stop teasing the poor guy with pills.
[08:22] <kkathman> one of those just went OTC
[08:23] <kkathman> I thought it was Ambien-CR
[08:23] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: no its a perscription sleeping pill... but doctors hate using it cos its addictive... but its amazing.
[08:23] <sp> thanks a lot guys... g'night
[08:23] <Insomniac-> ah
[08:23] <sampan> sleep can be addictive too
[08:23] <_jon> Having no luck with XVID on Kubuntu Breezy.  Has anyone here had this issue and resolved it?
[08:23] <DJ_Mer_> its amazing Insomniac-
[08:23] <DJ_Mer_> it puts me out like cocaine and rum
[08:24] <Insomniac-> weed used to do it for me
[08:24] <kkathman> CryptoQu1ck: I have a degreen in Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics
[08:24] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: i am a professional prostitute
[08:24] <CryptoQu1ck> Very cool. I want to get a degree in Phycology. Have you seen the website phyco.org?
[08:24] <kkathman> nope
[08:24] <kkathman> DJ_Mer_: excellent howz that working out?
[08:25] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: iunno... I'm not really working too hard
[08:25] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: i let some bimbo take my corner
[08:25] <kkathman> ahh now you should know better
[08:25] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[08:25] <kkathman> time for a bidding war
[08:26] <Insomniac-> hmm driving lesson in an hour
[08:26] <kkathman> fun
[08:26] <Insomniac-> yep
[08:26] <CryptoQu1ck> Yay! Kubuntu has installed! It's so much prettier than Debian...
[08:26] <Insomniac-> better go take a shower though
[08:27] <kkathman> The Debian peoples dont like ubuntu much :)
[08:27] <Insomniac-> because of the non-free software packages?
[08:27] <CryptoQu1ck> I know. I'm in their IRC channels.
[08:27] <getafix> hmm
[08:27] <CryptoQu1ck> One thing; it tells me that my Mac mini's battery is low. Gives me some outrageous percentage number.
[08:28] <getafix> anyone know why in kubuntu when i type my password in for admin mode it just load for a bit then kicks back to the start
[08:28] <kkathman> getafix: yes, you need to update
[08:28] <kkathman> there was an admin error that got fixed
[08:28] <sampan> getafix, yes -- that's the infamous "administrator bug" -- the bug fix is in the updates
[08:28] <kkathman> you probably havent run Adept yet
[08:29] <getafix> ahh excellent
[08:29] <sampan> kkathman  i wonder if you know the answer to this question.  ever since i installed one of the dev packages (build-essential? or something) i have a "Debian" section on my KMenu that i can't edit or change -- it seems to hold every app i've ever installed
[08:29] <getafix> how do i update if i can't connect via the internet
[08:29] <kkathman> getafix: very difficult :)
[08:29] <sampan> lol ... that's the ONLY bug/question i am qualified to give info on
[08:30] <kkathman> getafix: why did you set you ip manually?
[08:30] <getafix> cause i had an internal ip
[08:30] <getafix> but now have a router
[08:30] <getafix> ahh modem
[08:30] <kkathman> thats ok
[08:30] <kkathman> switch to dhcp and it SHOULD, get your DNA
[08:30] <kkathman> DNS
[08:30] <getafix> but if i can't go into admin
[08:30] <Insomniac-> noooo not my dna! ;)
[08:30] <getafix> i can't do any of that
[08:31] <kkathman> getafix: did you install from the kubuntu disk or the ubuntu disk?
[08:31] <getafix> can i dl an update put it on drive you can read from and then just update it when i'm in there?
[08:31] <getafix> kubuntu
[08:31] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:31] <kkathman> can you open a konsole?
[08:31] <sampan> getafix, you can do admin functions -- you'll just need to do them via CLI instead of via GUI i think
[08:32] <getafix> hmm
[08:32] <getafix> klonsole aye?
[08:32] <getafix> konsole?
[08:32] <kkathman> open a console, getafix and run    sudo dhclient eth0
[08:32] <getafix> just type exactly that like and that should be sweet?
[08:32] <kkathman> evening johndarkhorse :)
[08:32] <getafix> haha i may be back
[08:33] <nalioth> kkathman: ?
[08:33] <Insomniac-> getafix: yes you can see which packages it wants to update, download them on another machine somewhere, copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives, and update as usual
[08:33] <kkathman> yes?
[08:34] <sampan> insomniac-  it's the first part of that sequence that is hard: if he can't get on the internet with his ubuntu how can he "see which packages it wants to update"?
[08:34] <Insomniac-> true but kkathman was already helping him with that
[08:34] <Insomniac-> now he knows it's possible
[08:35] <sampan> indeed, kkathman was getting him online, but once online, then he can just update directly and not have to d/l to another machine or copy, etc.
[08:35] <Insomniac-> no he'll need some apt-get flag to display which updates apt wants to get
[08:35] <sampan> nope, he can just sudo adept-updater at konsole and it will update (assuming he has repos enabled)
[08:36] <kkathman> once we get him online hehe :)
[08:36] <kkathman> the network stuff is kinda tricky sometimes
[08:36] <kkathman> mine went out one day for absolutely no reason
[08:36] <kkathman> and came back almost as aburptly
[08:36] <kkathman> abruptly
[08:36] <Insomniac-> sampan: oh well fact is he's gone
[08:37] <Insomniac-> kkathman: check dmesg
[08:37] <kkathman> Im not that experienced..just I went through what getafix is going through
[08:37] <Insomniac-> some drivers crap out on load
[08:37] <DJ_Mer_> i love hieneken, love love love
[08:38] <DJ_Mer_> when linux beats me down... heineken beats me off
[08:38] <kkathman> DJ_Mer_: did you know that even the Dutch won't drink Heineken?
[08:38] <CryptoQu1ck> Wow. Those Debian people are... Somewhat rude.
[08:38] <sampan> i've actually found my dsl connection is WAY more stable in linux than with win -- it would drop for no reason at least once every two weeks with win ... and it just simply never drops the connection on linux
[08:38] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: not true i know MANY dutch people who drink it
[08:38] <kkathman> CryptoQu1ck: yes they are...and very arrogant
[08:38] <Insomniac-> kkathman: actually it's pretty common here
[08:38] <Insomniac-> though i prefer belgian beers myself
[08:38] <kkathman> DJ_Mer_: All the ones I know hate it and never drink it .. they opt for German beer :)
[08:39] <sampan> guinness > *
[08:39] <kkathman> but its all personal taste :)
[08:39] <kkathman> sampan YES!
[08:39] <sampan> :D
[08:39] <Insomniac-> did you know guinness isn't even made in ireland?
[08:39] <Insomniac-> and the irish consider it a peasant's drink?
[08:39] <sampan> first time i had guinness i must confess, i thought it tasted like ground up tree roots -- how wrong, how misguided was i?
[08:39] <kkathman> rofl
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> a lot of people hate heineken
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> it really does taste like shit
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> but so does my gf and i enjoy her too lol
[08:40] <Insomniac-> heineken isn't that bad
[08:40] <Insomniac-> there is far worse beer out there than heineken
[08:40] <CryptoQu1ck> Gah. Alcoholics. For shame.
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> im not an alcoholic
 Coors<cough>
[08:40] <DJ_Mer_> that would mean i have a drinking problem.. and frankly, i have no problem doing it.
[08:40] <kkathman> lol
[08:41] <DJ_Mer_> hahaha
[08:42] <kkathman> DJ_Mer_:  thats like most people say I suffer from mental instability, when in fact I enjoy every minute of it
[08:42] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: I have plenty of those...
[08:42] <Insomniac-> Hi ocifer.  The people on #debian were dissing the crap out of the guy who made it. http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/
[08:49] <kkathman> the people in #debian would diss their own grandmother
[08:50] <DJ_Mer_> im so thirsty.
[08:50] <kkathman> have another Heineken
[08:50] <DJ_Mer_> no it dried me out
[08:50] <DJ_Mer_> and im at work so i got no water lol
[08:50] <kkathman> getafix:  :)
[08:50] <getafix> it says command not found or something
[08:51] <CryptoQu1ck> Um... DJ, you're allowed to drink on the job?
[08:51] <kkathman> sudo dhclient eth0 ??
[08:51] <getafix> i typed sudo dhcp eth0
[08:51] <kkathman> nono
[08:51] <getafix> haha
[08:51] <getafix> duuuuuu
[08:51] <kkathman> dhclient
[08:51] <getafix> sweet
[08:51] <getafix> sorry
[08:51] <DJ_Mer_> its a two-man network security company... so since i am doing work on a few harddrives, yeah... i can drink till i pass out
[08:51] <DJ_Mer_> i jsut can't drink if i'll be around customers.
[08:52] <CryptoQu1ck> Nice.
[08:53] <DJ_Mer_> im also watching anchorman right now
[08:53] <DJ_Mer_> on my pda lol
[08:53] <DJ_Mer_> "THE MAN PUNTED BAXTOR!"

[08:56] <CryptoQu1ck> Well, my cat is being an anti-productivity source. I'mma go too.   I've inspiron 5100 and apparently lmsensors doesn't recognize the detectors or something like that. I tried looking at the forums and they said it's better to use acpi.
[09:22] <nalioth> conky is in the repos. also conky.sf.net
[09:22] <nano> nalioth, lemme check out this conky thingy
[09:22] <nano> nalioth, thanks a bunch
[09:22] <DJ_Mer_> what type of bullshit
[09:22] <DJ_Mer_> "your search is too specific"
[09:22] <DJ_Mer_> shouldn't that make it EASIER?
[09:22] <nalioth> DJ_Mer_: please watch your language in here
[09:22] <DJ_Mer_> sorry
[09:23] <DJ_Mer_> nano: is it warm up there?
[09:25] <nano> DJ_Mer_, it's not too cold
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> its freezing here but my computer is so hot i have to run my window AC
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> lol... its on right now just trying to keep the room at 71
[09:26] <nano> lol
[09:26] <nano> laptop?
[09:26] <nano> p4?
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> nah
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> full desktop amd burton
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> plus a laptop
[09:26] <DJ_Mer_> and a 32 inch LCD TV
[09:26] <nano> wow
[09:27] <DJ_Mer_> usually my server is floating in here too
[09:27] <nano> nalioth, what's the default installation path of apps in synaptic?
[09:27] <DJ_Mer_> but eh... it blew up
[09:27] <nano> blew up as in?
[09:27] <nalioth> nano: /usr/bin usually, but it depends on the individual pkg
[09:27] <nano> nalioth, ok
[09:28] <DJ_Mer_> well
[09:28] <DJ_Mer_> it was a 7 year old NEC ready... the mobo went
[09:28] <DJ_Mer_> but it gave me 301 days of non-stop uptime before it went
[09:28] <nalioth> nano: in a terminal, dpkg -L $PKGNAME will tell you where the files are
[09:31] <nano> nalioth_zZz, thanks
[09:32] <nano> nalioth_zZz, lol it works but it shows my cpu temperature as 0C :P
[09:34] <DJ_Mer_> the perfect running temp
[09:34] <DJ_Mer_> :-P
[09:37] <nalioth_zZz> nano: one step closer, bubba
[09:37] <nalioth_zZz> night all
[09:38] <vega-> i'm using ubuntu breezy with gnome and two monitor (xorg.conf here: http://pastebin.com/463427) and everything works just find, but when switching to KDE my other screen is just blank, any ideas? I would have thought that xinerama etc. is X11 business, not the window managers?
[09:39] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: was taking a shower
[09:40] <DJ_Mer_> ohh..
[09:40] <DJ_Mer_> can anyone explain to me WHY my audio is so quiet that even when maxed it sounds like it sminimal?
[09:41] <Insomniac-> vega-: maybe the displaysize entry is messing something up
[09:41] <nano> "audio is quiet?"
[09:41] <Insomniac-> vega-: otherwise i wouldn't know
[09:41] <DJ_Mer_> like, even when maxed out its still really quiet.
[09:41] <Insomniac-> vega-: but you're right xinerama is X's business
[09:42] <vega-> Insomniac-: hmm, i don't even know what that is.. have to try and comment it out
[09:42] <Insomniac-> vega-: it has to do with setting DPI if i'm not mistaken
[09:42] <Insomniac-> comment that out and see what happens
[09:42] <vega-> ok, thanks
[09:44] <vega-> oh btw, the monitor that is blank is Monitor1 (the one not having the displaysize entry), if it matters
[09:44] <Insomniac-> it might
[09:44] <DJ_Mer_> cos I got this cranked to the max right now and I can still barely here it.
[09:44] <Insomniac-> but other than this i wouldn't know what's the cause
[09:44] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: the kmix settings? those might differ from the alsa mixer settings
[09:45] <vega-> Insomniac-: ok, gotta try it out..
[09:45] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: start alsemixer in a konsole
[09:45] <Insomniac-> alsamixer*
[09:46] <DJ_Mer_> its maxed too
[09:46] <Insomniac-> sure it's not muted?
[09:46] <DJ_Mer_> and it has the master listed as mono
[09:46] <Insomniac-> or your speakers are turned down low?
[09:47] <getafix> does anyone know why i can't connect to my router in kubuntu but can in win
[09:47] <Insomniac-> connect to it's configuration or connect by dhcp?
[09:47] <DJ_Mer_> i mean this wouldn't suck so much if i could figure out how to change the default sound card, my soundblaster works fine on linux
[09:48] <DJ_Mer_> how do I change the default output device?
[09:48] <getafix> hmm by typing <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:48] <Insomniac-> getafix: try http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:48] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: dunno
[09:48] <getafix> yeah i tried that
[09:49] <Insomniac-> i disabled onboard sound here in the bios and alsa seems to respect that
[09:49] <DJ_Mer_> hmm so you can do it in bios then?
[09:49] <DJ_Mer_> let me restart and give that a shot.
[09:49] <Insomniac-> it can probably be done in alsa
[09:49] <Insomniac-> but i don't know where
[09:49] <DJ_Mer_> i know but i don't know how to control alas
[09:49] <DJ_Mer_> alsa
[09:50] <Insomniac-> alsa is a complicated *****
[09:50] <DJ_Mer_> nano: do you know?
[09:51] <Insomniac-> vega-: any luck?
[09:53] <Insomniac-> hmm this is going to be my cheapest pc so far
[09:55] <DJ_Mer_> hmmm /etc/asound.conf thats the file i need to edit
[09:55] <DJ_Mer_> but i don't have it :-\
[09:56] <Insomniac-> doesn't seem to have a manpage either
[09:58] <Insomniac-> maybe i should add 2GB of ram
[10:04] <merlino> i love you
[10:04] <tamu> hai man...
[10:05] <tamu> can i join here.. :D
[10:08] <merlino> Insomniac-: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[10:09] <Insomniac-> heh
[10:09] <Insomniac-> lots of love going around today
[10:09] <merlino> Insomniac-: it worked! just disabled it on bios
[10:09] <Insomniac-> :)
[10:09] <Insomniac-> i maybe enable onboard sound someday
[10:10] <Insomniac-> i have 9 speakers which could make a nice wacky surround sound setup
[10:10] <Insomniac-> s/maybe/might/
[10:10] <merlino> mmm
[10:10] <merlino> huey lewis
[10:11] <tamu> hay man any body have already try tinclient in ubuntu?
[10:12] <merlino> "We thought about giving up."
[10:13] <tamu> yuhu... any body has try it?
[10:13] <Insomniac-> tin the news reader?
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_> Two o'clock this morning
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_>  If she should come a calling
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_>  I couldn't dream of turning her away
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_>  And if it got hot and hectic
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_>  I know she'd be electric
[10:17] <DJ_Mer_> :-D lol
[10:28] <viperX> hey guys, I have a quick question.
[10:29] <viperX> My tou-button mouse went out so now I'm using a spare one-button apple mouse.
[10:30] <viperX> Is there a way to script KDE to accept a keypress + mouseclick as a right click?
[10:35] <tamu> tadi ditawarin training buat corporate ==> what is it meaning?
[10:36] <Insomniac-> sounds engrish to me
[10:36] <tamu>  <viperX> Is there a way to script KDE to accept a keypress + mouseclick as a right click? ==> what it's mean?
[10:36] <vega-> Insomniac-: well, hmm, how should i say, partially
[10:37] <vega-> Insomniac-: when i logged in the second screen was blank, then took off for lunch, came back (screensaver was on), second screen was ok :)
[10:37] <Insomniac-> heh
[10:37] <vega-> Insomniac-: so it works after the screensaver has been on :P
[10:38] <viperX> On OS X pressing the ctrl key and clicking the mouse=mouse right click. I want to do the same thing here since I'm using a spare apple mouse until I can buy a new one.
[10:38] <Insomniac-> that's behaviour i've come to expect from windows
[10:38] <vega-> Insomniac-: tried to switch to text mode and back but no luck
[10:38] <Insomniac-> viperX: sorry dude i don't know
[10:38] <kasim> hi, my latest kpdf (from kubuntu breezy with KDE 3.5) crashes permanetly, since last update. Could someone confirm or comment, pls?
[10:39] <yo2lux> hello.
[10:40] <yo2lux> I run ubuntu live cd, 5.10 with KDE 3.4.3, guys KDE eat much much memory. I have an intel p3, 530MHz, 512MB RAM.. I have 30MB Free RAM. KDE eat much memory.
[10:40] <yo2lux> What need to do?
[10:40] <Insomniac-> much of that might be disk cache
[10:40] <incubii> id have to agree
[10:40] <yo2lux> disk cache?
[10:41] <vega-> yo2lux: linux uses unused mem as diskcache so it might seem to you that it's all in use
[10:41] <yo2lux> the installed OS, without live cd not use disc cache?
[10:41] <vega-> yo2lux: the +/- buffers line in free gives a more correct view of the mem available
[10:41] <Insomniac-> yo2lux: see whether your swap file/partition is used at all or not
[10:41] <yo2lux> no is not used
[10:42] <Insomniac-> then you have no problem
[10:42] <yo2lux> i hear KDE 3.5 work faster than 3.4.3 , is true?
[10:43] <tamu>  KDE 3.5  ==> in kubuntu 5.10? ---> it heavy
[10:44] <yo2lux> tamu what heavy means, it fast?
[10:45] <yo2lux> ok Guys, i have my last question
[10:45] <yo2lux> when i use : server install for ubuntu, possible for me to install the latest kde 3.5 ?
[10:45] <yo2lux> sudo apt-get install kde3 ?
[10:46] <vega-> no, probably not
[10:46] <vega-> i think it's 3.4.x in ubuntu 5.10
[10:47] <Insomniac-> kubuntu comes with 3.4.3 by default
[10:49] <yo2lux> ok, and possible for me to use kde 3.5 with kubuntu 5.10?
[10:49] <Insomniac-> yes
[10:49] <Insomniac-> see the topic
[10:50] <yo2lux> ok i don't want to use Dapper Drake
[10:51] <Insomniac-> no the part about kde 3.5
[10:51] <kasim> you can use kde3.5 with breezy
[10:51] <yo2lux> thanks !
[10:51] <kasim> check     http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[10:51] <Insomniac-> yo2lux: be aware some people are having trouble with 3.5 though
[10:52] <kasim> Insomniac: what trouble, apart form kpdf things run quite well
[10:52] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5problems
[10:52] <ubotu> well, kde3.5problems is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[10:53] <Hobbsee> a lot of them are old, a lot got fixed in the later betas and rc's
[10:53] <kasim> could someone confirm that latest "kpdf" is crashing (kde35)?
[10:53] <Insomniac-> "New user accounts (who have not run KDE before) can't log in to KDE" < lol
[10:54] <Hobbsee> kasim: under what circumstances?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Insomniac-: i'll bet that got fixed lol
[10:54] <Hobbsee> kasim: ooh, crud
[10:55] <kasim> (answer on user-level) ALL circumstances. since last upgrad (some days ago) kpdf is not running at all. have to use acroread
[10:55] <alley_m> hello... just installed kubuntu 5.10... have problems with the feature mounting usb-media... every times another /dev/point.. and so no access to data... any suggestions?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> kasim: mmm...bummer
[10:56] <Hobbsee> ah...
[10:57] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ kpdf
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Bogus memory allocation size
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Very strange! got a DCOPReply opcode, but we were not waiting for a reply!
[10:57] <Hobbsee> kasim:
[10:57] <Hobbsee> ok then...
[10:57] <vega-> Insomniac-: found my bug: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4343
[10:57] <kasim> kai@ubuntuipc:~$ kpdf
[10:57] <kasim> Bogus memory allocation size
[10:57] <kasim> KCrash: Application 'kpdf' crashing...
[10:57] <kasim> or DCOPRepy as yours ..
[10:57] <Insomniac-> vega-: nice! i'll read that later i have to go for a driving lesson
[10:58] <Hobbsee> Insomniac-: have fun!
[10:58] <Hobbsee> kasim: file a bug for it?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> check if there's one already there first
[10:58] <kasim> do you have an url for that?
[11:00] <Hobbsee> bugs.kde.org
[11:02] <Hobbsee> kasim: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118220
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know anything about this?  They're suggesting it's a packaging problem of KPDF.  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118220
[11:03] <kasim> Hobbsee: just found that too, thanks. kpdf 0.5 is what i have also
[11:03] <Hobbsee> he probably wont answer, being asleep
[11:06] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[11:14] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: are you here?
[11:17] <DJ_Mer_> can someone help me set up shoutcast briefly?
[11:21] <fdelacruz> hi guys, during my research for putty, I found out that ther's version of putty for symbian OS, has anyone already try this?
[11:22] <DJ_Mer_>  can someone help me figure out shoutcast? it says to set /dev/audio as my playlist files because it'll host from the soundcard. However, when i add /dev/audio it stops functioning.
[11:24] <kasim> DJ_Mer_: not sure if i understand, but I use shoutcast's playlist succesfully with amarok
[11:26] <vega-> any idea why firefox doesn't appear in kde menu? it is in gnome
[11:26] <vega-> on ubuntu breezy
[11:27] <DJ_Mer_> kasim: i am running a server for shoutcast. Now I need to broadcast it. Say I want to use amarok to do it, how do I configure shoutcast to use amarok as its source?
[11:27] <DJ_Mer_> kasim: just use a playlist?
[11:30] <kasim> DJ_Mer_: (just to confirm, will most likely not help you) I have a IOJazz.pls on my Desktop connected to (correctly configured) amarok. Well that works fine
[11:30] <DJ_Mer_> and you are hosting a station over shoutcast?
[11:31] <kasim> no, just listening
[11:31] <DJ_Mer_> no im trying to host
[11:32] <kasim> cant help you there sorry
[11:36] <vega-> where the heck do i configure keyboard shortcuts in kde nowadays?
[11:37] <DJ_Mer_> vega-: when you find out for hte love of god tell me
[11:38] <vega-> err, cannot be this difficult
[11:38] <vega-> my kde tryout after a few years of gnome is appearing to become quite short
[11:39] <vega-> DJ_Mer_: "regional & accessibility" in the control panel !
[11:40] <vega-> dunno how it is related to that..
[11:45] <vega-> hmm, menu editor doesn't start at all
[11:53] <LeeJunFan> keyboard shortcuts == kcontrol -> regional and accessability -> keyboard shortcuts
[11:54] <LeeJunFan> oh, see that was already answered :)
[11:54] <fdelacruz> guys anyone here use firestarter?
[12:03] <fdelacruz> guys gtg uwian n vge thanks
[12:10] <francois> slt  tous
[12:11] <cvardar> anybody knows when Qt4.1 will be available in the repository?
[12:12] <francois> is this IRC only in english ??
[12:12] <cvardar> yes, for other channels you may check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat
[12:13] <francois> ok
[12:13] <francois> wilch version are you using ??
[12:13] <francois> I'm using the hoary.
[12:24] <DJ_Mer_> whoa... wht a lovely way to wake up
[12:24] <DJ_Mer_> another chronic and unstoppable nosebleed
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> DJ_Mer_: cut down on the paint huffing :)
[12:53] <snpz> does anybody have experience in connecting Kubuntu box to Windows 2000 Domain controller?
[12:55] <Insomniac-> nope but that'll probably work
[12:55] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:55] <DJ_Mer_> WE'VE HIT A NEW LEVEL OF SUCCESS!
[12:56] <Insomniac-> lol
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8001/
[12:56] <Insomniac-> what did you do now
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:56] <ubotu> Wish i knew, DJ_Mer_
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> its streaming, ITS STREAMING!!!!
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> its frickin streaming!!! after three days its streaming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:56] <Insomniac-> ah you figured icecast out :)
[12:56] <Jaymac> DJ_Mer.. nobody can connect to that ip except you :)
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> screw icecast...
[12:56] <Jaymac> or is that the plan?
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> you should* be able to.
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> wait hoops... wrong link
[12:56] <DJ_Mer_> lmao
[12:56] <Jaymac> hehe
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> well.. I feel really dumb now
[12:57] <Jaymac> *L*
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8001/
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> and yes, I know the name of it is "my gay son"
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> that'll be worked out once the full playlist is added
[12:57] <Jaymac> good stuff
[12:57] <Insomniac-> what are you using to stream? an amarok plugin?
[12:57] <Jaymac> amarok is annoying me
[12:57] <DJ_Mer_> nope
[12:58] <DJ_Mer_> hand-typed playlist
[12:58] <DJ_Mer_> :-P
[12:58] <Jaymac> tried compiling it with m4a support but it always fails
[12:58] <DJ_Mer_> sitting here typing 4000 songs and their directories
[12:58] <Insomniac-> amarok came with the system here
[12:58] <Jaymac> so i had to convert my entire library to mp3
[12:58] <Jaymac> so amarok would play it
[12:58] <Insomniac-> what is m4a? i've never even heard of it
[12:58] <DJ_Mer_> can someone try to connect
[12:59] <DJ_Mer_> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8001/
[12:59] <DJ_Mer_> click the listen button.
[12:59] <Insomniac-> mpeg 4 audio?
[12:59] <Jaymac> yeah
[01:00] <DJ_Mer_> w00!!! your on
[01:00] <DJ_Mer_> ahahaha! after four days, VICTORY! my beloved radio station will now run 24/7....
[01:00] <Insomniac-> it's working here DJ_Mer_
[01:00] <DJ_Mer_> awesome
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> 3 listeneres no errors
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> ahhh!
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> i just jumped out of my chair and cheered... and woke up two people
[01:01] <Jaymac> lol
[01:01] <Insomniac-> hehe
[01:01] <Insomniac-> it's not showing any name in my playlist though
[01:01] <Insomniac-> just an empty line
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> it doesn't have one yet
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> its been called "my gay son"
[01:01] <DJ_Mer_> lmao
[01:02] <DJ_Mer_> cos i didn't think it was gonna work... then it did
[01:02] <ndazza> Hi! i'm trying to download a set of packages and all their dependencies, is there an easy way to do this? Something like apt-get build-deps but I want install dependencies not build deps
[01:03] <DJ_Mer_> jaymac, if you ever wanna do a radio cast
[01:03] <DJ_Mer_> shoutcast with DPS was the easiest way for me
[01:03] <DJ_Mer_> albeit, you'll have to manually enter the ENTIRE playlist.
[01:03] <DJ_Mer_> but it'll randomize it and you'll have no background programs.
[01:03] <Jaymac> i'm behind hte university proxy
[01:04] <DJ_Mer_> ew.
[01:04] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[01:04] <Jaymac> not allowed to run a server :)
[01:04] <Jaymac> but on the plus I can download an ubuntu iso in about 2 minutes
[01:04] <Jaymac> :D
[01:04] <Insomniac-> hmm? most universities i know don't restrict users much if any besides excessive bandwidth use
[01:05] <Jaymac> I have to expressly ask for permission to run a server
[01:05] <Jaymac> They permit some..
[01:05] <DJ_Mer_> well broadcasting would def. be a bandwidth waster lol
[01:05] <Insomniac-> universities are supposed to encourge finding new ways of using the internet
[01:05] <DJ_Mer_> you guys consumed about 50 megs
[01:05] <Insomniac-> encourage*
[01:05] <Jaymac> oh shit..  connected
[01:05] <Jaymac> haha
[01:05] <Jaymac> sweet DJ
[01:05] <mrplant> you guys
[01:05] <Jaymac> took a while to load in amarok
[01:06] <DJ_Mer_> god help me
[01:06] <DJ_Mer_> this station needs me whole collection.
[01:07] <mrplant> ive got a question: have you experienced a weird font behaviour after for example uphgrading your gfx drivers, or KDE? My fonts shrinked, I used Verdana 7, and now I have to use Verdana 11 - and the visual size is the same as it was on Verdana 7 :| It happened to me before, but after a couple reboots all got back to the normal situation, but now I still have those little fonts :|
[01:07] <Insomniac-> DJ_Mer_: can't you juse use a script to generate the playlist?
[01:07] <Jaymac> ROFL.. I feel you by My Gay Son
[01:07] <Insomniac-> just*
[01:08] <Insomniac-> hmm i'm getting tired.. good thing i'm not driving anymore
[01:08] <Jaymac> lunch time :)
[01:10] <DJ_Mer_> okay for whoever is listening to my station.
[01:10] <brosiooz> can i recover file on mounted partition on ext3 ?
[01:11] <DJ_Mer_> im sorry for the constant stupid 3 doors down songs
[01:11] <DJ_Mer_> the list is only like 30 songs right now, working on it though
[01:11] <DJ_Mer_> i've already typed in 300 other songs
[01:11] <Insomniac-> use a script to generate the playlist
[01:11] <Jaymac> lol
[01:11] <Insomniac-> why bother typing all those names
[01:11] <mrplant> lol
[01:11] <Jaymac> yeah.. I have over 6000 songs in my collection
[01:11] <DJ_Mer_> holy cow
[01:12] <Jaymac> fuck if i'm going to spend time typing those out :)
[01:12] <DJ_Mer_> i'm only up to about 3000
[01:12] <Insomniac-> 11596 here
[01:12] <Jaymac> ok, going to stick some pasta on for lunch
[01:12] <Jaymac> nice one insomniac
[01:13] <Insomniac-> -300 or so for cd covers
[01:13] <Jaymac> out of my 6000
[01:13] <Jaymac> 1500 are Pearl Jam
[01:13] <Jaymac> :D
[01:13] <Insomniac-> lol
[01:16] <getafix> is there any reason that when i type <IP_ADDRESS> to find my router under ubuntu that i can't reach it
[01:16] <getafix> ?
[01:16] <getafix> kubutu
[01:16] <Jaymac> is your computer on the same level?
[01:16] <Jaymac> i.e 192.168.1.x
[01:16] <getafix> yup
[01:16] <Jaymac> hm.. dunno
[01:17] <getafix> i did sudo dhclient and i think it made the comp <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:17] <getafix> i think
[01:18] <nacho> hy
[01:18] <nacho> i have a problem with apt-get install
[01:18] <getafix> hmmm
[01:18] <nacho> i cant find any packages
[01:18] <nacho> here is me sources.list http://pastebin.com/463544
[01:18] <nacho> i would like to install more packages
[01:18] <nacho> amsn, etc
[01:18] <nacho> but it cant find id
[01:18] <Insomniac-> did you run apt-get update
[01:19] <Insomniac-> after changing sources.list?
[01:19] <nacho> yes i runned it
[01:20] <nacho> i dindt changed sources.ist
[01:20] <Insomniac-> you might want to enable the universe and multiversie repositories
[01:20] <Insomniac-> !sources
[01:20] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:20] <mrplant> heh: how do i restart the apache server?
[01:20] <mrplant> from console
[01:20] <Insomniac-> mrplant: /etc/init.d/apache restart?
[01:20] <nacho> i have disabled it?
[01:20] <mrplant> thanks :P
[01:20] <Insomniac-> nacho: no universe and multiverse are disabled by default
[01:21] <nacho> ah ok
[01:21] <nacho> i will disable then
[01:21] <thoreauputic> if you have apache2 it will be /etc/init.d/apache2 restart I think
[01:21] <nacho> it will fix my problem?
[01:21] <brosiooz> can i recover file on mounted partition on ext3 ?
[01:21] <Insomniac-> nacho: if you enable universe and multiverse you can install more software
[01:21] <Insomniac-> nacho: see the link
[01:22] <nacho> where is the link?
[01:22] <thoreauputic> brosiooz: if you mean recovver deleted files on ext3, no
[01:22] <Insomniac-> brosiooz: apt-cache search ext3|grep recover
[01:22] <thoreauputic> brosiooz: on ext3 deletion is pretty much permanent
[01:23] <Insomniac-> thoreauputic: ext2 has recovery tools, don't those work on ext3?
[01:23] <brosiooz> need to umount it before ?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Insomniac-: I don't believe so, no
[01:23] <Insomniac-> i thought ext3 = ext2 + journal?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> Insomniac-: hope I'm wrong :)
[01:23] <dipnlik> hi all. when I click a text file on KDE it launches Kate, how can I change this behavior? I want a very lightweight text viewer, Kate is kinda slow here
[01:24] <Insomniac-> brosiooz: read the documentation for any recovery program you install
[01:24] <DJ_Mer_> i know it went offline lol
[01:24] <DJ_Mer_> lets see if it stays online now
[01:25] <thoreauputic> from apt-cache show recover: "Note that recover works only with ext2 filesystems - it does not support
[01:25] <thoreauputic>  ext3.
[01:25] <thoreauputic> "
[01:25] <nacho> any knows how i can install flash macromedia plugin?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> oops sorry about the extra line there :)
[01:25] <Jaymac> nacho
[01:25] <Jaymac> download it from the site
[01:26] <Jaymac> and follow the installer instructions
[01:26] <Insomniac-> thoreauputic: ah that explains :)
[01:26] <vega-> why not apt-get flash?
[01:26] <Jaymac> apt-get flashplayer-mozilla
[01:26] <nacho> swf-player
[01:26] <Jaymac> dipnlik: right click on file...
[01:27] <Jaymac> open with
[01:27] <vega-> flashplugin-nonfree, libflash-mozplugin, flashplayer-mozilla, ...
[01:28] <dipnlik> Jaymac: i know that, thanks you! but now i want to change the default behavior
[01:28] <Insomniac-> that's alot of flash..
[01:29] <nacho> is there any graphical tool like synaptic to do apt-get ?
[01:29] <nacho> or i have to dowloand it?
[01:29] <dipnlik> Jaymac: ok, found it. configure konqueror, file associations, searched to txt and changed to kedit, way faster
[01:30] <Insomniac-> synaptic kynaptic adept ...
[01:30] <Insomniac-> nacho: adept comes with kubuntu iirc
[01:31] <nacho> adept?
[01:31] <Insomniac-> gui package manager frontend
[01:33] <DJ_Mer_> Insomniac-: how do I terminate scripts ran by typing ./ before them?
[01:33] <Insomniac-> control-c
[01:34] <Insomniac-> or kill the process in another terminal
[01:35] <DJ_Mer_> the playlist script is acting stupid though
 [STREAM]  Creating stream socket
 [STREAM]  Connected to host server
 [STREAM]  Disconnecting from stream host [waiting 10s]
[01:35] <DJ_Mer_> why would it do that?
[01:35] <DJ_Mer_> it just keeps doing it over and over and over and over....
[01:36] <Insomniac-> how should i know, i don't even know what the script looks like
[01:36] <DJ_Mer_> hmmm
[01:36] <DJ_Mer_> it was going just fine before
[01:37] <nacho> i am trying to use adept
[01:37] <nacho> but i cant see the packages in categories, like  games, office, etc
[01:37] <DJ_Mer_> ohh!
[01:37] <DJ_Mer_> i figured it out lmao
[01:37] <nacho> is there any tool to see  it??
[01:37] <DJ_Mer_> the playlist script can only be loaded once... to update the library
[01:37] <DJ_Mer_> after that you have to terminate it.
[01:38] <nacho> to seee the packages in categories
[01:38] <Insomniac-> nacho: just type in some keyword
[01:38] <Insomniac-> to search
[01:39] <DJ_Mer_> lol Insomniac-  i am learning how to tame this teast!! MUAHAHAHAHA!
[01:41] <nacho> i cant select many packages at the same time?because i click on 1 and i have to click on the others too
[01:42] <nacho> like select all
[01:43] <DocTomoe> any idea how to get kdevelop with breezy and the 3.5.0 reps?
[01:43] <nacho> hello?
[01:43] <Insomniac-> nacho: right click
[01:43] <Jaymac> or ctrl click?
[01:43] <Jaymac> what does he mean?
[01:43] <Jaymac> select multiple files?
[01:43] <Insomniac-> he wants to select multiple packages in adept i think
[01:44] <nacho> yep
[01:44] <nacho> select multiple
[01:45] <Insomniac-> hmm my movie download stopped... oh well as long as it's here by christmas
[01:45] <getafix> hmm
[01:45] <getafix> when you run the updater is it lying if it instantly says theres nothing to update
[01:46] <Jaymac> yes
[01:46] <DocTomoe> getafix: what "updater"?
[01:46] <Jaymac> reload
[01:46] <getafix> adept
[01:46] <Jaymac> reload it
[01:46] <DocTomoe> who is using adept, despite of its crazy approach of security?
[01:46] <getafix> update complete instantly
[01:46] <Jaymac> I swear by synaptic
[01:46] <getafix> synaptic?
[01:47] <Jaymac> yeah
[01:47] <getafix> i'm still amazed i'm using the internet inside this ive been trying to get it going for ages
[01:47] <getafix> oh can i get a list of undernet servers from anywhere and put it in a folder to use?
[01:48] <DocTomoe> getafix: presumeably at the undernet homepage ;)
[01:48] <Jaymac> the command line is always the best option.. but synaptic is useful if i'm not sure exactly what it is i'm searching for
[01:48] <getafix> heh why thank you
[01:48] <DJ_Mer_> :-D i am so happy
[01:49] <DJ_Mer_> lol
[01:49] <Jaymac> because of your shoutcast server?
[01:49] <Jaymac> :)
[01:49] <DJ_Mer_> yeah.
[01:49] <DJ_Mer_> i love my radio station
[01:49] <Jaymac> get some pogues on there
[01:50] <getafix> someone was saying i was suffering the infamous admin bug
[01:50] <DJ_Mer_> im gonna make a request form on my other server when it gets back to me. People cna request and i'll add albums
[01:50] <getafix> can you tell me what the update to fix that would be?
[01:55] <_nano_> why is my firefox scrolling sluggish compared to windows ? the presence of only one or two mid sized images make the scrolling sluggish. I've inspiron 5100 (P4, 2.66Ghz, ati radeon 7500 ) and use fluxbox with ubuntu
[01:57] <StarScream> _nano_: because your using ubuntu .. shrug
[01:58] <getafix> why when i click on my other harddrives does it say could not enter folder?
[01:58] <StarScream> _nano_: got an example page  i can look at , see if i've got the same issue
[01:58] <StarScream> getafix: permissions ?
[01:58] <getafix> hmmm
[01:59] <getafix> hmm
[01:59] <getafix> don't think so
[02:00] <_nano_> StarScream, sec lemme give you an example page
[02:00] <StarScream> k
[02:01] <getafix> how would i browse hda 1 via konsole?
[02:01] <_nano_> StarScream, check this http://buzz.blogger.com/
[02:01] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: !!!!!!!! :-D
[02:02] <_nano_> DJ_Ner_, hey! :D
[02:02] <_nano_> still awake :P
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> yeah
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> i got my radio station up thou
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8001/
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> its workin man :-D!!!
[02:02] <DJ_Mer_> shieet i need a darker colour theme
[02:03] <_nano_> wow!
[02:03] <_nano_> hey is that legal and stuff?
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> ...lol
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> well, copyright wise
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> no...
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> but am I afraid, nope.
[02:03] <_nano_> how is shoutcast different from gnump3d?
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> i don't know how to do gnump3d
[02:03] <DJ_Mer_> plus this is just a streaming server.
[02:04] <_nano_> well, whatever works :)
[02:04] <DJ_Mer_> correct me if im wrong, but gnump3d can also do databases
[02:04] <_nano_> i used gnump3d as streaming server
[02:04] <_nano_> just used synaptic to get gnump3d
[02:04] <DJ_Mer_> for audio?
[02:04] <_nano_> I'm a noob in all this :P so don't know about databases :P
[02:05] <DJ_Mer_> shoutcast was the best choice cos it simply... worked
[02:05] <_nano_> gnuMP3d -- should be for audio
[02:05] <DJ_Mer_> I delt with icecast for two days and got nowhere... I tried a few others like "freecast" and got NOWHERE... So after a few days it came to the point where I was just like... "freakin forget this crap"
[02:05] <_nano_> lemme test the streaming :D
[02:06] <DJ_Mer_> after almost reinstalling windows advanced server 2003 i gave shoutcast a test. and it worked
[02:06] <DJ_Mer_> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8001/ << click listen
[02:06] <StarScream> _nano_: ok, whats the prob with the page ? seems to work fine for me
[02:07] <_nano_> StarScream, it's scrolling fine?
[02:07] <_nano_> :-s
[02:07] <DJ_Mer_> hi there <IP_ADDRESS> lol
[02:07] <StarScream> _nano_: yeh looks fine for me, sorry
[02:07] <DJ_Mer_> enjoying the music? :-P
[02:07] <StarScream> _nano_: i have a ibook g3 800
[02:08] <_nano_> StarScream, oh! must have a good graphics card then? :(
[02:08] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, great stuff :D
[02:08] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_:  :-D
[02:08] <StarScream> _nano_: erm..radeon 7500 ?
[02:08] <DJ_Mer_> lmao BARE NAKED LADIES!
[02:08] <_nano_> StarScream, yeah
[02:09] <StarScream> _nano_: you must have a pretty average card if its having trouble with that....does konqueror have the same problem ?
[02:09] <getafix> how can i browse my windows partitions in console?
[02:10] <getafix> i'm in as root
[02:10] <_nano_> StarScream, never used konqueror -- but firefox in windows scrolls fine for all those pages
[02:10] <StarScream> _nano_: try konq and just see
[02:10] <StarScream> i prefer it personally
[02:10] <_nano_> getafix, you've to mount them first
[02:10] <getafix> ok how do i mount them?
[02:10] <_nano_> StarScream, ok lemme try and see
[02:12] <getafix> and any idea why i can't go above 60hz and 1024x768
[02:12] <DJ_Mer_> getafix: what card?
[02:12] <getafix> 6800gt
[02:13] <getafix> do i need to get ubuntu drivers?
[02:13] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: this is one of my favorite songs :-D
[02:13] <_nano_> getafix, http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[02:13] <DJ_Mer_> getafix: i would see about going to nvidia directly for the
[02:13] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, :D
[02:13] <DJ_Mer_> you like Daft Punk?
[02:13] <Insomniac-> getafix: using vesa driver?
[02:13] <_nano_> StarScream, same problem :(
[02:14] <getafix> i haven't installed anything yet
[02:14] <getafix> this has had nothing dled or changed
[02:14] <getafix> is this linux ia32
[02:14] <getafix> ?
[02:15] <StarScream> _nano_: ok, well just tried on my other box, its slackware on an athlon 2200 with nvidia gf 5200 and its fine also so i'm not really sure sorry
[02:15] <StarScream> _nano_: do you have composite enabled ?
[02:16] <StarScream> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:16] <_nano_> StarScream, sorry i don't know composite
[02:16] <_nano_> how can i find out?
[02:16] <_nano_> lemme check the xorg.conf file
[02:17] <_nano_> StarScream,there is no mention of "composite" in xorg.conf
[02:17] <_nano_> StarScream, so what should i do now?
[02:17] <StarScream> _nano_: no idea sorry
[02:17] <_nano_> StarScream, nevertheless, thanks a lot :)
[02:18] <StarScream> np, sorry i couldn't help more.
[02:18] <_nano_> StarScream, any pointers though?
[02:18] <StarScream> _nano_: erm...just make sure your using the nvidia driver is all i can suggest...if you are then i have no idea..
[02:21] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: i am increasing the playlist as we speek
[02:21] <DJ_Mer_> its only 300 songs aorn... but once i do this update it'll be 1000
[02:21] <DJ_Mer_> and later tonight it'll be 2000
[02:22] <getafix> hda2 is already mounted
[02:22] <getafix> but i can't browse it?
[02:22] <_nano_> yeah you can
[02:22] <_nano_> what's the directory name where it's mounted?
[02:23] <_mrj> hey
[02:23] <_mrj> guys
[02:23] <getafix> ./dev/hda2
[02:23] <_mrj> i have a problem
[02:23] <getafix> ?
[02:23] <_mrj> could someone help me ?
[02:23] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, 24 hours? :)
[02:23] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: what you think?
[02:23] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: what you mean*? lol
[02:23] <_mrj> _nano_: -w /etc/edit_my_file :)
[02:23] <DJ_Mer_> is it gonna be up 24 hours?
[02:24] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, well we would all want it too
[02:24] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, you'd be doing a great service to the open source community by providing some entertainment :)
[02:24] <DJ_Mer_> im working on 24 hour support
[02:24] <DJ_Mer_> right now the only reason its restarting is due to playlist upgrades
[02:25] <DJ_Mer_> and thats basically the only reason it'll ever upgrade.
[02:25] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, aah
[02:25] <_mrj> hey guys
[02:25] <_mrj> please help me :)
[02:25] <_mrj> i have a strange problems
[02:25] <DJ_Mer_> once a month i'll probably add about two or three albums to it
[02:25] <_mrj> with cyrillic
[02:25] <_mrj> in kubuntu
[02:25] <Jaymac> what is the problem
[02:25] <_nano_> _mrj, state your problem
[02:25] <_mrj> what i need to do
[02:25] <Jaymac> Type it on one line..
[02:25] <_mrj> it is not some kind of error
[02:25] <_nano_> getafix, that's not a mount, that's a device name -- you need to mount that to a directory
[02:26] <_mrj> when i use mplayer for example i can not use cyrillic subtitles
[02:26] <_nano_> getafix, check the link i gave earlier
[02:26] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: its an 8 listener cap though... cos it is on my private connection. Granted, i have great bandwidth, i do want some for my own use lol
[02:26] <_mrj> i have already installed mplayer-fonts
[02:26] <thoreauputic> _mrj: did you install mplayer-fonts ?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:26] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, cox keeps messing with the port number though
[02:26] <_mrj> thoreauputic: yep
[02:26] <thoreauputic> _mrj: sorry I was just slow :)
[02:26] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: what do you mean?
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, you already know that they block 80 right?
[02:27] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: 80000 is open, I just have it reserved for my private radio lol
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, hehe
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, they did block 8080
[02:27] <_mrj> thoreauputic: when i installed mplayer fonts - i have readed the /usr/share/mplayer/fonts/cp1251/README
[02:27] <getafix> man i can't do anything on this shit
[02:27] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: yeah i know... but all you gotta do is change ports lol
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, i guess a few months ago
[02:27] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, yeah :)
[02:27] <_mrj> but .... these fonts are in .raw format
[02:27] <_mrj> thoreauputic: and mplayer wants only ttf
[02:28] <DJ_Mer_> woo! AC/DC
[02:28] <_nano_> :)
[02:28] <thoreauputic> _mrj: sorry - I don't know the answer
[02:29] <_mrj> but i ve encouraged soething strange - in XMMS when i change the font in preferences-fonts with microsoftcp1251 encoding - i can select 3 fonts but none of them is working
[02:30] <_mrj> when i load an mp3 with cyrillic id3 info - they appears in the playlist normally but when the current song plays thei are unreadable ... ?
[02:30] <_mrj> thoreauputic: np :)
[02:30] <getafix> fuck sake
[02:30] <getafix> this sucks
[02:30] <_nano_> getafix, patience :)
[02:30] <getafix> yeha i know
[02:30] <getafix> its just frustrating
[02:31] <getafix> i have no idea how to do anything
[02:31] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: you an orbital fan?
[02:31] <_nano_> getafix, so where are you stuck particularly?
[02:31] <getafix> well
[02:31] <thoreauputic> getafix: the code of conduct applies here, you know
[02:31] <getafix> in system settings / diskfile systems
[02:31] <getafix> yeah i know i'm sorry i've been asking for a while with no answers and i was getting more frustrated
[02:32] <_nano_> how many partitions do you exactly have?
[02:32] <getafix> i got
[02:32] <_nano_> hda1, hda2 etc.?
[02:32] <getafix> 2 ntfs
[02:32] <getafix> the linux one
[02:32] <getafix> and a fat32
[02:32] <thoreauputic> getafix: OK :)
[02:32] <_mrj> someone help me please ?
[02:32] <_nano_> do you know the names of your windows partitions?
[02:32] <getafix> i think hda 1,2 5 and 6
[02:32] <getafix> names?
[02:32] <_nano_> so hda1,hda2 are windows i presume
[02:32] <getafix> yup
[02:32] <_nano_> ok
[02:32] <_mrj> yes the names - terminator and pinokio :)
[02:32] <_mrj> hihi
[02:32] <getafix> 5 is linux and 6 is fat i think
[02:33] <_mrj> i am fat too :)
[02:33] <_nano_> now in your home directory make two folders
[02:33] <_mrj> hihi
[02:33] <_nano_> you in linux now right?
[02:33] <getafix> yup
[02:33] <_nano_> ok so make two folders in your home directory which would represent those two windows directorieis
[02:33] <_nano_> *directories
[02:34] <_nano_> and lemme know when you're done with that
[02:34] <_mrj> how can i install xfonts-cyrillic ?
[02:34] <getafix> ok
[02:34] <getafix> i'll try figure it out
[02:34] <_mrj> i can not find it with apt-cache
[02:35] <getafix> hmm
[02:35] <getafix> ok so i can't do it via gui cause the admin thing
[02:35] <getafix> whats the command lines for doing it in konsole?
[02:35] <DJ_Mer_> http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/index.phtml
[02:35] <_nano_> ok
[02:35] <getafix> i'm logged in as root in konsole
[02:35] <DJ_Mer_> im finally listed :-)
[02:35] <_nano_> mkdir win_c
[02:35] <_nano_> mkdir win_d
[02:36] <getafix> done
[02:36] <_nano_> ok
[02:36] <_nano_> DJ, this one's nice
[02:36] <DJ_Mer_> the beach boys?
[02:37] <kkathman> hey DJ_Mer_ :)
[02:37] <getafix> where would it have created those directories?
[02:37] <kkathman> hi all :)
[02:37] <DJ_Mer_> kkathman: GUESS WHOES RADIO STATION IS UP AND WORKIN?
[02:38] <kkathman> uhmm yours?
[02:38] <DJ_Mer_> no, jesus', muahahaha
[02:38] <kkathman> He's always broadcasting..has been for a while
[02:38] <_nano_> getafix, type sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:38] <DJ_Mer_> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8001/
[02:38] <DJ_Mer_> thats the link kkathman
[02:38] <_mrj> hey
[02:38] <_mrj> please help
[02:38] <kkathman> hey there's getafix :)  Hope things are working out for you :)
[02:39] <getafix> he
[02:39] <getafix> y
[02:39] <getafix> gradually
[02:39] <getafix> its going now
[02:39] <kkathman> good :)
[02:39] <_mrj> why after i install a cyrillic package cronyx-1251...blabla i have again no cyrillic fonts ?
[02:39] <getafix> i'm just trying to learn how to mount partitions
[02:39] <_mrj> where are they supposed to be ?
[02:39] <kkathman> good thing to know :)
[02:39] <_nano_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[02:40] <getafix> command not found nano
[02:40] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_: bob marley :-D
[02:40] <_nano_> DJ_Mer_, :P
[02:40] <_nano_> getafix, means you don't have gedit
[02:40] <kkathman> its important to know that the ubuntuguide.org page is not an official page and has many errors that can damage your system, so be careful
[02:41] <getafix> ahh
[02:41] <kkathman> he wont have gedit
[02:41] <_nano_> kkathman, but these are safe
[02:41] <kkathman> cuz he installed kubuntu
[02:41] <_nano_> kkathman, mounting partition
[02:41] <_nano_> i just forgot that gedit is not there in kubuntu :P
[02:41] <dutch> kwrite is
[02:41] <kkathman> _nano_: please try referring them to the official wiki...im sure there is a good page there :)
[02:42] <kkathman> under kubuntu use kdesu kate
[02:42] <kkathman> or kwrite
[02:42] <dutch> I tend to use nano cuz that's the one I use most
[02:42] <kkathman> or nano at the cli
[02:42] <_mrj> could someone help me ?
[02:42] <DJ_Mer_> _nano_:
[02:42] <DJ_Mer_> I am going to reset the playlist
[02:42] <getafix> sooo what should be doing?
[02:42] <kkathman> for getafix I'd use kdesu kate :)
[02:43] <getafix> ....
[02:43] <_nano_> getafix, open /etc/fstab file
[02:43] <_nano_> using your preferred editor :P
[02:43] <_nano_> and from root
[02:43] <getafix> haha
[02:43] <getafix> man i don't know how to open it
[02:43] <getafix> whats an editor
[02:43] <getafix> ahaha
[02:43] <_nano_> :P
[02:43] <getafix> what a new ass
[02:43] <_nano_> ok np,
[02:43] <_nano_> :)
[02:43] <getafix> thanks for you patience man
[02:43] <Jaymac> getafix
[02:44] <_nano_> nah its ok everyone goes thru it at some stage :P
[02:44] <getafix> yup
[02:44] <Jaymac> sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[02:44] <kkathman> no!!
[02:44] <getafix> no?
[02:44] <_nano_> lol
[02:44] <Jaymac> or... sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[02:44] <kkathman> user kdesu
[02:44] <Jaymac> if you prefer a command line editor
[02:44] <_nano_> kkathman now now :P
[02:44] <kkathman> Jaymac: hes under KDE
[02:44] <Jaymac> yes...
[02:44] <Jaymac> so?
[02:45] <kkathman> sudo under kde is dangerous in breezy
[02:45] <_nano_> eh?
[02:45] <kkathman> yes
[02:45] <Jaymac> since when/