[01:16] <salawank> ping taqi_mycert
[01:17] <taqi303> pong salawank
[01:18] <salawank> morning in 2011 is awesome
[14:48] <mr_pants> hello


[00:06] <vorlon> mwhudson: I certainly agree that this is a bug in pam_env for not being more robust; not committing to the work to fix it though
[00:25] <mwhudson> vorlon: ack
[00:25] <mwhudson> vorlon: are you pam upstream too?
[00:38] <vorlon> mwhudson: certainly not actively
[00:39] <mwhudson> vorlon: ok. i'll file a bug there eventually
[11:31] <xnox> mwhudson:  what's the context for "it settling down" ?
[20:21] <mwhudson> xnox: i don't know, one of the releases definitely seemed like a bit of a climb down
[20:21] <mwhudson> xnox: i haven't checked the mailing list in a while though
[22:55] <mwhudson> vorlon: reported the pam bug fwiw https://github.com/linux-pam/linux-pam/issues/395
[22:58] <vorlon> mwhudson: cheers
[22:59] <mwhudson> vorlon: i do hope the code in pam that parses user_envfile with handcrafted C runs as the user ...


[00:24] <Unit193> FYI: We're ready to test out ubot3 in any channel ubot5 is in, if you're an op in one of those channels feel free to poke me.


[04:37] <pitti> Good morning
[04:37] <thumper> o/ pitti
[04:38] <pitti> hey thumper!
[05:33] <pitti> Laney: could you please verify bug 1444402 so that this can hit -updates soon?
[05:49] <larsu> good morning!
[05:51] <pitti> good morning larsu, wie gehts?
[05:51] <larsu> pitti: great thanks! And you?
[05:51] <pitti> good, thanks!
[05:52] <larsu> pitti: so lightdm couldn't call ActivateSession() for me because it tries to activate the *current* session (and I was logged in via ssh)
[05:52] <pitti> larsu: on the phone with systemd? or what's the context?
[05:52] <larsu> pitti: ya
[05:53] <pitti> larsu: oh, so does it boot if you don't have usb attached?
[05:53] <larsu> pitti: got it to work after dist-upgrading and linking /sbin/init manually
[05:53] <pitti> ah, cool
[05:53] <larsu> yes, it boots fine
[05:53] <larsu> but no lightdm
[05:53] <larsu> it crashes in a loop
[05:53] <pitti> err, that's not what I call "fine" then :)
[05:53] <larsu> well, "finer" than it did before :P
[05:54] <pitti> but if you can at least adb/ssh in, that's a nice foot in the door
[05:54] <larsu> indeed
[05:54] <larsu> where does lightdm log to?
[05:54] <pitti> /var/log/lightdm/
[05:54] <larsu> or shall I start it with -d in the unit?
[05:55] <pitti> you can try (I'm not much of an expert with debugging lightdm, I mostly just look into /var/log/lightdm/)
[05:55] <pitti> larsu: also look into the session logs
[05:55] <pitti> larsu: i. e. ~/.config/upstart/ and stuff
[05:55] <pitti> larsu: e. g. I had to fix bug 1451784 which had the same effect
[05:56] <pitti> larsu: and there the error was in ~/.xsession-errors
[05:57] <larsu> pitti: I don't know much about lightdm either. It says it cannot activate a user session, so it tries a "greeter session" (whatever that is)
[05:57] <larsu> and fails because it can't find a configuration for that
[05:57] <pitti> larsu: I suppose we don't have a greeter on touch
[05:57] <pitti> larsu: anything in ~/.x-e?
[05:57] <larsu> pitti: right, I assumed so
[05:58] <larsu> lol...
[05:58] <larsu> init: unrecognized option '--user'
[05:58] <pitti> larsu: but that's the bug above
[05:59] <pitti> larsu: what's your ubuntu-touch-session version?
[05:59] <larsu> pitti: 0.108+15.04.20150407-0ubuntu1
[05:59] <larsu> this is too old :/
[05:59] <larsu> pitti: ya, that's why I was laughing
[06:00] <larsu> how am I not getting the new package?
[06:00] <pitti> install a current image?
[06:04] <larsu> err... this is what I thought I did
[06:04] <larsu> I followed https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[06:05] <pitti> larsu: Usually the "devel" channel is ancient (maybe that got fixed now)
[06:05] <pitti> larsu: try devel-proposed?
[06:05] <pitti> you want that for development anyway
[06:07] <larsu> BAH
[06:07] <larsu> ok
[06:07] <larsu> pitti: thanks. Why is our documentation outdated?
[06:07] <didrocks> good morning
[06:07] <pitti> larsu: not sure; /me not a phone dev
[06:08] <pitti> larsu: anyway, I think "normal" users want a stable channel, and devs should really use devel-proposed, which updates more or less daily
[06:08] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:08] <didrocks> pitti: ça peut aller, et toi ?
[06:08] <pitti> didrocks: je vais bien
[06:08] <larsu> didrocks: morning!
[06:09] <didrocks> hey larsu!
[06:09] <larsu> pitti: fair enough. Still frustrating
[06:10] <larsu> didrocks: turns out my bug was because I'm on an old image (who knew -devel is old...)
[06:10] <larsu> pitti: thanks for your patience :)
[06:10] <didrocks> larsu: don't talk to me about channel namings…
[06:10] <didrocks> (and also out of date ubuntu-device-flash args which don't have stable parameters)
[06:10]  * larsu stops talking to didrocks about channel namings
[06:10] <didrocks> :p
[06:10] <larsu> didrocks: what? They don't?
[06:10] <didrocks> no
[06:10] <didrocks> change $randomly
[06:10] <didrocks> of course, all automation based on it…
[06:11] <didrocks> but well, if you ask for stability you are said to be anti-"agile"
[06:11] <larsu> ah, you mean when they added the "touch" command?
[06:11] <didrocks> that or change --foo in --bar
[06:12] <didrocks> or add new --baz as being required
[06:12] <didrocks> like the release version now
[06:18] <mitya57> attente: Sure, but there was also https://github.com/lenky0401/fcitx-qimpanel/commit/ba4369f6126a9828bb39528a43ee67ed6c1189ff
[06:18] <mitya57> (after your commit)
[06:19] <mitya57> And in https://github.com/lenky0401/fcitx-qimpanel/commit/a64d64a4dffae3a56b6fd5a617b6c8ffb6b97546 the ifdefs were added
[06:20] <mitya57> So I am sure it's a problem (or intended behavior) of this code, not a bug in Qt.
[06:21] <mitya57> Also, I have limited internet access this week, so I am slow at replying.
[06:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:42] <seb128> bah, typeahead stopped working in gtkfileselectors :-/
[06:42] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:42] <seb128> lut didrocks
[06:45] <pitti> hey seb128
[06:45] <seb128> hey pitti
[07:09] <seb128> oh, right, it's that day of the week
[07:10] <didrocks> yeo
[07:10] <didrocks> yep*
[07:14] <seb128> pitti, it seems that langpacks were not changed in the overlay ppa, do you know if Lucaz worked on that? I can do it now, just don't want to dup work
[07:15] <pitti> seb128: I didn't get any status updates since we talked yesterday either
[07:15] <seb128> pitti, k, let's wait for him then
[07:15] <didrocks> he told he had an issue with it, right?
[07:15] <seb128> didrocks, where/when?
[07:15] <seb128> I was off for tennis in the evening
[07:16] <didrocks> We noticed issues with our language pack generation mechanisms
[07:16] <didrocks> which do not seem to be working for our stable overlay PPA.
[07:16] <didrocks> in the landing team email
[07:16] <seb128> oh, right
[07:16] <seb128> that's the issue yes
[07:16] <seb128> we agreed to manual patch those 4 strings translations for at least de/fr/es
[07:16] <seb128> which is what I was asking about
[07:16] <seb128> as a workaround
[07:16] <didrocks> ah ok
[07:16] <didrocks> so yeah, nothing more
[07:17] <seb128> the issue with the overlay is that it's not translated/translatable in launchpad
[07:17] <seb128> we have translations pages/templates for the ubuntu series and for trunk
[07:17] <seb128> so vivid/wily/trunk
[07:17] <didrocks> yeah, that makes sense
[07:17] <seb128> but the overlay is none of those
[07:17] <didrocks> ok, so only patching the .po files and reuploading
[07:17] <seb128> yeah, for that one
[07:17] <seb128> then we need to figure a proper way
[07:17] <didrocks> yep
[07:59] <seb128> didrocks, on your livecd-rootfs desktop-next change, Colin noted on the review that it might makes sense to use symlinks to ubuntu-core for some of the hooks, any reason you didn't do it?
[07:59] <seb128> mvo_, ^
[07:59] <didrocks> seb128: I would need to find my IRC logs, there was something, one sec…
[08:00] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[08:01] <didrocks> the PM went on the fact that we'll probably deviate in the hooks
[08:01] <didrocks> like you did with removing docker for instance
[08:01] <didrocks> feel free to symlinks those which makes sense though
[08:03] <seb128> k, thanks
[08:05] <Laney> morning
[08:06] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:06] <seb128> wie gehts?
[08:06] <Laney> kernel panic this morning
[08:06] <Laney> xps 13 fun!
[08:06] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:06] <seb128> oh :-/
[08:06] <Laney> otherwise good
[08:06] <didrocks> argh
[08:06] <seb128> didrocks, re :p
[08:06] <didrocks> morning Laney :p
[08:06] <Laney> ;-)
[08:06] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:06] <didrocks> fine, yourself?
[08:07] <seb128> Laney, didrocks, we got a desktop-next snappy i386 build ;-)
[08:07] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-desktop-next/+build/29166
[08:07] <seb128> it failed on amd64 though, unsure why
[08:07] <didrocks> seb128: nice!
[08:07] <Laney> woo!
[08:07] <seb128> "+ cp -ar boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-20-generic boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-20-generic.efi.signed /tmp/tmp.yiVA0lx2A0/assets/vmlinuz
[08:07] <seb128> cp: target '/tmp/tmp.yiVA0lx2A0/assets/vmlinuz' is not a directory"
[08:07] <seb128> now to figure out how to make an image from those tarballs
[08:10] <willcooke> seb128, @ image - NICE!!!
[08:10] <seb128> willcooke, hey!
[08:10] <seb128> :-)
[08:11] <seb128> willcooke, waiting on sergiusens to be online now, mvo said he probaly knows how to make an image from those files
[08:11] <willcooke> cool
[08:11] <seb128> the current tools download the files from a server, they don't use local versions
[08:12] <seb128> one way would be to publish the desktop-next files to the server, but it's not handy for local testing and bootstrap of the image
[08:14] <Laney> system-image server?
[08:16] <didrocks> it's assembling from a json file
[08:16] <seb128> Laney, yes
[08:17] <seb128> or whatever u-d-f uses to build the image
[08:17] <didrocks> but yeah, would be better to get that copied in the server file
[08:23] <Laney> seems that hook needs updating to take care of secure-boot stuff
[08:23] <Laney> somehow
[08:23] <seb128> you mean? the amd64 buildlog?
[08:24] <Laney> ye
[08:24] <Laney> i386 doesn't have that
[08:24] <seb128> right
[08:24] <Laney> and it looks like core doesn't have the signed stuff either
[08:25] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/goget-ubuntu-touch/uefi/+merge/256869
[08:25] <seb128> is how core gets its uefi/secure boot working
[08:29] <Laney> maybe ask him to fix it up for us ;-)
[08:32] <seb128> Laney, yeah, let's see :-)
[08:35] <Laney> pitti: let me see - hope that instance is still up
[08:35] <Laney> I have wily on the real system now
[08:46] <Laney> might help to enable proposed...
[08:51] <seb128> speaking about the image build or something else?
[08:54] <Laney> no, some sru
[08:59] <seb128> k
[09:18] <pitti> Laney: cheers!
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, just as a fyi we patched/uploaded to the vivid overlay ppa the langpacks for ca/de/es/fr/it/pt
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: cool, thanks
[09:27] <seb128> so we should be fine for the ota now
[09:27] <seb128> yw!
[09:27] <Laney> patching the langpacks?
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, in the overlay ppa yes
[09:30] <seb128> you didn't follow the discussion on ci-eng yesterday I guess?
[09:30] <Laney> no
[09:30] <Laney> I think it's okay if I don't know :-)
[09:30] <seb128> basically the ppa has no translations support
[09:30] <seb128> translations.l.n has templates for ubuntu series and trunk
[09:30] <seb128> but the ppa is random content
[09:30] <Laney> oh right I can see where this is going
[09:30] <seb128> so langpack miss strings that are specific to it
[09:30] <Laney> so you miss new strings
[09:31] <seb128> yes
[09:31] <seb128> we had 4 new ones in dialer/messaging for that ota
[09:31] <seb128> so we just distro patched those in main languages to be able to roll the ota out as planned
[09:31] <seb128> still need to solve the infra issue
[09:31] <seb128> like by using wily/trunk strings and merging template or something
[09:31] <seb128> or changing back from a ppa to a rtm distro
[09:31] <seb128> tbd
[09:41]  * Laney rebuilds packages for broken devhelp files
[09:41] <Laney> silly gtk-doc
[10:20] <Laney> xnox: can you remind me where the place to set ubiquity's start page is please?
[10:21] <Laney> I want to get it to start straight at the slideshow
[10:22] <xnox> Laney: you may run the slideshow demo runner in the slideshow upstream branch.
[10:22] <xnox> Laney: or you can reorder the "pages" plugins. oh wait the slideshow in ubiquity is not a page, but a hidden notebook.
[10:23] <Laney> I need to see it as it is in ubiquity
[10:23] <xnox> Laney: tweak it to be not hidden.
[10:23] <xnox> e.g. skip to it.
[10:23]  * Laney twirls
[10:23] <xnox> purge partman plugin, and then ubiquity becomes a dummy app =)
[10:31] <Laney> ok, neat, don't see the bug that I thought I did
[10:32] <xnox> Laney: what bug? scrollbars?
[10:32] <Laney> ya
[10:32] <xnox> Laney: they come and go, depending on the gtk changes, language, running "installer" for real, overlay scrollbars (missing, getting renamed, changing pixel size) etc.
[10:32] <Laney> I thought I saw them when I installed wily on this laptop the other day
[10:33] <Laney> but they aren't there in this vm
[10:33] <Laney> (Y)
[10:33] <xnox> Laney: i had to fix them each overlay-scrollbar and/or gtk update =(
[10:33] <Laney> overlay-scrollbar is gone
[10:33] <Laney> muhahah
[10:33] <xnox> well. as long as the themeing that we apply to webview is correct than it's all good.
[10:34] <xnox> Laney: did you drop ubiquity-dm force loading overlay-scrollbar modules then?!
[10:34] <Laney> not yet but that's harmless
[10:34] <xnox> *mostly
[10:37]  * Laney meows
[10:39]  * ogra_ moos
[10:40]  * davmor2 bah humbugs
[11:31] <Laney> larsu: do you run with hidpi scaling?
[11:35] <Laney> GDK_SCALE=2 gedit -> the toolbar is huuuugeeeee
[11:43] <larsu> Laney: nope
[11:43] <larsu> isn't the point that it is huge?
[11:43] <Laney> not that huge
[11:43] <larsu> hm, this does look a bit too large indeed
[11:44] <larsu> looks like 4×
[11:44] <Laney> gtk_toolbar_set_icon_size (toolbar, GTK_ICON_SIZE_SMALL_TOOLBAR); makes it right
[11:44] <Laney> but doing this feels wrong
[11:44] <larsu> clearly
[11:44] <larsu> fonts are too large as well
[11:44] <Laney> the default seems to be LARGE
[11:45] <larsu> something is multiplying that factor twice
[11:46] <larsu> oh wait, fonts appear huge but seem to be twice the height from my normal font
[11:48] <larsu> Laney: using the slider in system settings » displays makes it look similarily huge
[11:48] <Laney> that sets the same scale factor
[11:48] <Laney> you can use the env var to just do it once
[11:48] <happyaron> willcooke: weekly update sent to you
[11:48] <willcooke> thx happyaron
[11:53] <larsu> Laney: not quite. Gdk can only do integer scaling, whereas the slider does floating point
[11:53] <Laney> only for unity
[11:54] <innopark> my ubuntu desktop always gets hangs up
[11:56]  * Laney aahs
[11:58] <Laney> I played with the slider and now my mouse pointer has gone
[12:05] <seb128> larsu, Laney, is the unity panel title "wrongly styled" for you as well? text used to be bold and isn't anymore, unsure if that's due to new gtk
[12:09] <larsu> seb128: still bold for me. You mean the title of the application, right?
[12:10] <Laney> It isn't bold here and I don't have 3.16 on the laptop yet
[12:10] <seb128> larsu, yes
[12:10] <seb128> same issue in compiz titles in fact
[12:10] <seb128> not only in the unity panel
[12:11] <seb128> Laney, wily or vivid?
[12:11] <seb128> I'm pretty sure it was bold in vivid and wily until like a week ago
[12:11] <larsu> compiz titles?
[12:12] <Laney> wily
[12:14] <seb128> larsu, wm decorations
[12:14] <Laney> checked iso, bold vivid and not bold wily
[12:14] <seb128> k
[12:14]  * Laney phews at gtk not being to blame :-)
[12:14] <seb128> hehe
[12:14] <seb128> did we change the theme in wily? I guess not
[12:14] <seb128> unity didn't change either afaik
[12:14]  * seb128 scratches head
[12:15] <larsu> hm, maybe I should reboot?
[12:15]  * larsu still sees bold titles
[12:15] <Laney> probably not worth everyone looking at it
[12:15] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, Trevinho, ^ is that a known issue?
[12:15] <seb128> larsu, maybe just restart compiz?
[12:16] <larsu> seb128: indeed. thanks. Now here's a question:
[12:16] <larsu> WHY ARE MY WINDOW TITLES NOT BOLD ANYMORE?????
[12:16] <Laney> when did you boot?
[12:16] <Laney> /log in previously
[12:16] <larsu> Laney: 7 days ago
[12:17] <seb128> lol
[12:17] <seb128> Laney, I started noticing yesterday, that issue is less than a week old
[12:17] <Laney> 'kay
[12:22] <seb128> Laney, larsu, I had a glance to wily-changes and didn't see anything obvious, I'm not going to debug today but feel free to have a look
[12:25] <pitti> larsu: wow, were they bold before? I honestly can't remember
[12:25] <pitti> (normal font here as well)
[12:25] <larsu> pitti: I just restarted compiz and saw the immediate effect
[12:26] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: It's not a known issue to me, but I do see what you're talking about.  Trevinho would probably know more though.
[12:26] <larsu> pitti: my outrage was mostly to troll seb128 :)
[12:26] <seb128> pitti, yeah, e.g http://cdn5.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/03_in_the_windows_title_bar.png
[12:27] <didrocks> my precious panel!
[12:27] <seb128> lol
[12:31] <pitti> didrocks, Laney, desrt: ooh, coming to debconf too? looking forward to it!
[12:31] <Laney> \o/
[12:32] <Laney> did you get some email?
[12:32] <didrocks> same question than Laney ;)
[12:32] <pitti> Laney: Michelle just pointed me to the travel doc
[12:32] <Laney> ah
[12:32] <didrocks> ah, there is a travel doc :p
[12:33] <pitti> I was talking to her about plumbers vs. debconf conflict, and that I self-booked debconf already
[12:33] <Laney> going to be fun
[12:33] <Laney> I'm thinking about being there for some of debcamp too
[12:34] <pitti> I wanted to, but we'll attend a wedding on Aug 15 in Magdeburg, so I'll only arrive on Sun
[12:34] <Laney> there's a half week gap or so between guadec and debconf
[12:34] <Laney> probably won't go home for that
[12:34] <pitti> Laney:  when is guadec?
[12:35] <Laney> I think 7th-12th including the hackfest days
[12:35] <Laney> and debcamp starts the 9th
[12:35] <Laney> so I'm not sure yet exactly how I will divide myself up
[12:36] <seb128> didrocks, going to debconf this year?
[12:36] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, not far, has to go at least once I guess :)
[12:36] <seb128> :-)
[12:36] <seb128> I was pondering going as well
[12:37] <seb128> but seems like my name is not on the list
[12:37] <seb128> oh well, another time ;-)
[12:37] <Laney> it's not finalised yet
[12:37] <Laney> (afaik)
[12:37] <Laney> willcooke: get this man on the list!
[12:37] <Laney> ;-)
[12:37] <seb128> Laney, where did you guys ask to be on the list?
[12:37] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[12:38] <Laney> I think there was some mail a few months ago
[12:38] <Laney> and I did some light nagging since
[12:38] <seb128> k
[12:38] <Laney> basically ask $boss
[12:38] <seb128> yeah, I guess :-)
[12:38] <seb128> thanks
[12:39] <didrocks> seb128: we discussed it in our last sprint as well IIRC
[12:40] <didrocks> Laney: we can write up something around the line: "the German in Germany" (note the non s at German) ;)
[12:40] <seb128> lol
[12:41] <Laney> die Deutsch in Deutschland
[12:41] <Laney> (die?)
[12:43] <pitti> seb128: I also just signed up myself about a month ago, I didn't know that Canonical was sponsoring
[12:43] <pitti> Laney: "Der Deutsche in Deutschland"
[12:44] <Laney> larsu: any idea about the toolbar thing? should I file a bug?
[12:44] <Laney> pitti: isn't that plural?
[12:44] <pitti> not if it was supposed to be for "the German" (single person for seb128), I thought that was the intent?
[12:44] <Laney> ya
[12:45] <Laney> ah I get this now, thanks!
[12:45] <pitti> plural would be "die Deutschen"
[12:45] <larsu> Laney: sure
[12:45] <Laney> cool
[12:45] <didrocks> Laney is only getting half of my joke :/
[12:45]  * didrocks organizes a protest then
[12:46] <Laney> I got it man
[12:59] <attente> mitya57: yeah, those commits were added to workaround the submenu problem. if you check out the tree at https://github.com/lenky0401/fcitx-qimpanel/commit/05fd858ef84da971a98d4f68b25f4bd897676b43, it still doesn't work, so we can't revert those two commits
[13:13] <mitya57> attente: OK, then I'll look at it when I return to normal internet (maybe on Friday or weekend)
[13:13] <mitya57> Re-added to my TODO :(
[13:13] <mitya57> Err, I meant :)
[13:14] <attente> mitya57: ok, thanks :)
[13:24] <larsu> desrt: this should work no: gsettings list-keys org.gnome.Terminal.Legacy.Profile:/org/gnome/terminal/legacy/profiles/b1dcc9dd-5262-4d8d-a863-c897e6d979b9/
[13:24] <larsu> someone's asking in #ubuntu-devel
[13:24] <desrt> list-keys has no dependency on path
[13:24] <desrt> so i'm not sure why you'd give one
[13:24] <larsu> list-recursively, sorry
[13:25] <larsu> it shows me default values, no matter which path I pass
[13:25] <larsu> desrt: ^
[13:25] <desrt> interesting.
[13:25] <desrt> that may be a bug.
[13:25] <larsu> ok. was thinking I might be doing something wrong
[13:25]  * larsu passes this info on
[14:13] <jdstrand> seb128: hey, this is a total throw a patch over the wall situation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11672890/. I'm using it for dnla in rhythmbox and have no particular reason to choose 15000 (it is just high enough for me :)
[14:13] <jdstrand> seb128: fyi only in case you find it interesting
[14:14] <jdstrand> if you don't want to do anything with it, that's fine too
[14:16] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, I'm not familiar with that feature, how annoying is the "requiring the user to ask for more"?
[14:17] <seb128> jdstrand, could you maybe throw it on a bug in https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=rhythmbox just in case upstream is interested?
[14:18] <jdstrand> seb128: how I experienced it was I opened a playlist. it download 1000. I could play and do whatever with those 1000 and wasn't blocked by ui. but there was a button at the bottom right that said I could download another 1000
[14:18] <jdstrand> seb128: so, depending on the playlist, I might have to click it 5, 8, etc times
[14:18] <jdstrand> seb128: and you have to do that each time you open the playlist
[14:18] <sidi> Hi, I need to trace all the processes starting and exiting in my unity session from the moment Ligthdm creates the session. I get a series of weird crashes that I can-t reproduce with unity --debug and I can't identify which processes are crashing
[14:20] <xnox> sidi: ~/.cache/upstart & ~/.xsession-errors
[14:20] <xnox> should have everything
[14:24] <sidi> xnox, thanks. Does .cache/upstart contain all processes or only the ones that crashed?
[14:25] <xnox> sidi: it contains stdout/stderr of all upstart managed user processes. the rest of unmanaged things end up just in ~/.xsession-errors
[14:25] <sidi> Also is there anything I can do to find out which processes execve'd which ones, apart from injecting a lib that watches execve? My compiz is actually crashing on a dlopen() call so that wouldn't work well...
[14:25] <xnox> cause session leader is upstart, and that logs to ~/.xsession-errors as everything gets reparented to it on death.
[14:26] <xnox> sidi: you should look into proc_cn proc connector. That will tell you everything from the kernel =)
[14:26] <xnox> sidi: https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2010/07/01/reporting-all-execs/
[14:26] <xnox> has a link to kees' source code, compiles with a makefile from his junk folder and runs amazing.
[14:26] <sidi> ah cool, thanks!
[14:26] <xnox> that will tell you _everything_ that execed by who and what and where.
[14:27] <sidi> Cool I'll make a run with that once done with .cache/upstart
[14:27] <xnox> sidi: mind need to tweak the mask of the events reported to get all details, cause it's a firehose that track threads et.al.
[14:27] <xnox> initctl status
[14:27] <xnox> initctl list
[14:27] <xnox> may help to narrow things down quickly, if managed.
[14:27] <jdstrand> seb128: ok, reported
[14:28] <sidi> one last thing, I haven't used ubuntu in a while... I see there's no compiz-dbg package, do I have a way to tell apt-get to give me a package with debugging symbols on, or should I build that myself?
[14:28] <xnox> sidi: google for debugsyms repository
[14:28] <sidi> xnox, I'm willing to spend time reading logs... I need to figure out what's going on anyway
[14:29] <sidi> Awesome, thanks xnox
[14:29] <seb128> jdstrand, thanks!
[15:30] <qengho> ahem.
[15:30] <larsu> *cough*
[15:30]  * didrocks taps on the mic
[15:30] <willcooke> :D
[15:31] <seb128> hey
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Weekly Meeting 2015-06-09
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun  9 15:31:10 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron(out), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, tkamppeter, themuso (out), robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <seb128> didrocks, let the tap alone, it's not beer time
[15:31] <larsu> o/
[15:31]  * larsu thinks about having a beer
[15:31] <seb128> lol
[15:31] <dgadomski> o/
[15:31]  * larsu doesn't have beer at home
[15:31]  * didrocks put the beer back in the fridge then
[15:32]  * FJKong feel sleepy
[15:32] <didrocks> puts*
[15:32] <larsu> lol
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:32] <attente> refreshed the gtk source package with some patches to fix the build, and merged the wip/mir-unstable branch into upstream gtk
[15:32] <attente> spent some time debugging the fcitx-qimpanel qt5 indicator without luck, hoping mitya57 has more luck with it
[15:32] <attente> finished the apparmor client api changes, writing regression tests
[15:32] <attente> (eof)
[15:33] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:33] <qengho> FJKong: because of beer, or because it's almost midnight for you?
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:33] <FJKong> qengho: 23:33 for me
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <larsu> willcooke: desrt is excusing himself
[15:35] <dgadomski> hello everyone
[15:35] <dgadomski> * I was off for most of the last week
[15:35] <dgadomski> * improved and delivered patch to bug #753755 to Debian, waiting for their response, in parallel I'm running testing in VMs with different network configurations
[15:35] <dgadomski> * a user reported a problem with no sound after installing Vivid. It works while running Trusty LiveCD, but fails on Vivid - even with the latest available kernel. The hardware is: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02). Investigating that further. Did you hear about any
[15:36] <dgadomski> Did you hear about any regressions in the sound area in Vivid?
[15:36] <willcooke> dgadomski, dont think so, drop Luke an email to see if he knows anything though
[15:36] <dgadomski> thanks willcooke, that's all from me today
[15:36] <willcooke> thx dgadomski
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:37] <didrocks> * Was for most of the week at SDK sprint, got synced up with the team and incoming features (for developer experience convergence mostly).
[15:37] <didrocks> * Reported and got some of the first SDK-related issues fixed. Here is my personal list of bugs and tagged "devexp": http://bit.ly/1FVUp2j
[15:37] <didrocks> * Ubuntu Make 0.8.1 release fixing Android NDK as google pages changed (bug report + test failing to proove it)
[15:37] <didrocks> * Reinstantiated Ubuntu Make test machines as were down due to IS breakage
[15:37] <didrocks> * Short week (4 days)
[15:37] <didrocks> .
[15:37] <willcooke> thx didrocks
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> analyze crash file of sogou-qimpanel, it's about cell dict problem
[15:37] <FJKong> give feed back to sogou engineer, waiting for fixing
[15:37] <FJKong> research on "slow on first time call out IM"
[15:37] <FJKong> continue on "right click menu on input window"
[15:37] <FJKong> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thx FJKong
[15:38] <willcooke> goodnight FJKong
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <willcooke> 1. Release fcitx 4.2.9, providing better xkb support  (through
[15:38] <willcooke> libxkbcommon) along with other fixes
[15:38] <willcooke> 2. Work out the product requirement document for sogoupinyin-2.0
[15:38] <willcooke> series with product manager
[15:38] <willcooke> 3. Working on the problem of automoc generated contents when combined with ECM
[15:38] <FJKong> rush to bed...
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:38] <Laney> • Updates: gsettings-desktop-schemas gtk-doc glib (in progress)
[15:38] <Laney> • Finish up gtk3.0 fo realz, upload, stuck in proposed
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ Fixed a load of test regressions (only one was related - a deprecation and fatal warnings)
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ Tied with gnome-shell, do some updates with that, blocked atm
[15:38] <Laney> ∘ Check that no o-s didn't make ubiquity slideshow have scrollbars (thought it had done), seems it didn't
[15:38] <Laney> • Rebuild some packages which were built with gtk-doc 1.23 & had broken devhelp files
[15:39] <Laney> • Get a hidpi laptop(!), find some bugs, fix a couple & nag about some others
[15:39] <Laney> • Fix up yelp headerbar-as-toolbar patch re: upstream review
[15:39] <Laney> • Chat about/help fix desktop-next snappy build - some code advice, some cdimage changes, some triggering of builds
[15:39] <Laney> • Help (more? can't remember if I did this the week before) with some robustification of boottests
[15:39] <Laney> • Debug system breakage which turned out to be due to new xmir, filed a bug which it seems robert_ancell fixed
[15:39] <Laney> • Some SRU verification and checking on test regressions for the SRU team
[15:39] <Laney> • Some chats about totem patch, need to upload still
[15:39] <Laney> FIN (no unicode ☹)
[15:39] <seb128> busy week for Laney
[15:39] <didrocks> • Closed the front gate (thanks mailman)
[15:39] <willcooke> thx Laney
[15:39] <seb128> Laney, what is blocking gtk atm?
[15:39] <Laney> demoting some shell extensions to proposed
[15:39] <seb128> k
[15:39] <Laney> want to work on that in a minute?
[15:39] <seb128> sur
[15:39] <seb128> e
[15:39] <Laney> gnome guys don't care if they are in or not
[15:40] <Laney> so seems fine by me
[15:40] <Laney> thanks
[15:40] <seb128> +1
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:40] <larsu> hey
[15:40] <larsu> - overlay-scrollbars: review Laney's drop-gtk3 patch (thanks!); dropped background hacks; themed them orange
[15:40] <Laney> didrocks: ×6
[15:40] <larsu> - started helping pitti out a bit with migrating touch to systemd
[15:40] <larsu> (and wasted some time debugging issues on the wrong image)

[15:40] <larsu> - prepared for the sales meeting
[15:40] <Laney> you should put the </ as part of your paste
[15:41] <larsu> why?
[15:41] <Laney> that came in the middle :)
[15:41] <larsu> oh. sorry.
[15:41]  * larsu curses irssi
[15:41] <Laney> PARSE ERROR
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:41] <larsu> Laney: not well formed xml, but might be ok as html5
[15:41] <qengho> - Cr release 43.0.2357.81 into T,U,V,W any second now.
[15:41] <qengho> - Flash plugin updated upstream today, but no one sent us notice beforehand. :(
[15:41] <qengho> - mir ozone refresh. Trying to make the ozone interface break less often. Coming along really well, for once.
[15:41] <qengho> ^D
[15:42] <willcooke> thx qengho
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:42]  * Laney hopes this new chromium has nice(r) hidpi chrome
[15:42] <seb128> • took some tries but got snappy to boot on my uefi config
[15:42] <seb128> • debugged desktop-next snappy image build
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ updated u-s-s to not try to pull the touch system-image service on snappy systems, they conflict
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ fixed some small livecd-rootfs in the desktop-next codepath, thanks Laney for helping!
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ iterated over issues and fixes until today where we got a first working build (i386 only, amd64 having secure boot issues)!
[15:42] <seb128> • u-s-s
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ fixed charge graphs rendering glitches
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ added mechanism to list panels only if a file exists, used for the update/snappy
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ backported a stack of commits to the vivid branch
[15:42] <seb128> • joined some discussions about convergence&settings
[15:42] <seb128> • tested telephony-service build fixes to be able to confirm the silent mode bugfix from previous week
[15:42] <seb128> • next: continuing fun trying to get the snappy image working, we have device/rootfs tarballs now but not yet a bootable image

[15:42] <willcooke> thx seb128
[15:42] <seb128> yw!
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:42] <willcooke> oops
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - first packaged builds of LibreOffice 5.0~beta1 and ~beta2 on vivid
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - breaks on amd64 due to some l10n/helpcontent foo -- fixing that right now
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - beta2 isnt going to be published for public consumption, "cant move cursor" is kind of a blocker
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - beta3 will be there soon
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - some conference and affiliation-foo
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> - push some 20 refactoring patches upstream (and broke OSX :/)
[15:43] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> thx Sweet5hark
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - Synced CUPS from Debian
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - Added last changes of our CUPS package to Debian's GIT repository of CUPS
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - Made starting ippusbxd (daemon for IPP-over-USB printers) working with systemd.
[15:43] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:44] <willcooke> thx tkamppeter
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:44] <willcooke> * More upstream Speech Dispatcher development work, moving more code to Glib and moving to GSettings.
[15:44] <willcooke> * Started further discussions with Qt and Mir folks to get a11y moving forward for the unity 8 desktop again.
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:44] <willcooke> - Updated wily to run new XMir
[15:44] <willcooke> - Updated Launchpad XMir bugs to be filed in correct location
[15:44] <willcooke> - Investigated XMir window manager options
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Any other business
[15:45] <willcooke> News:
[15:45] <willcooke> I will be out next week and the week after for baby related business
[15:45] <willcooke> Seb can you run the meetings?
[15:45] <seb128> sure
[15:45] <willcooke> I'll probably be on email and stuff - I certainly won't be far from a computer
[15:46] <Laney> don't do it man
[15:46] <larsu> willcooke: I might not make the Friday 1:1 due to travel. Will let you know.
[15:46] <willcooke> larsu, sure thing, no problem
[15:46] <larsu> willcooke: also, go further away from a computer
[15:46] <larsu> ;)
[15:46] <didrocks> :)
[15:46] <willcooke> I don't know if I can do it, but I will try
[15:46] <larsu> it's hard. We've all been there
[15:47] <willcooke> How will I see pictures of cats though???
[15:47] <willcooke> These are the questions no one is answering
[15:47] <larsu> sometimes there are animals outside which look like cat pictures
[15:47] <willcooke> ???
[15:47] <willcooke> Hrm
[15:47] <willcooke> Well, I'll try it
[15:47] <larsu> outside is this place beyond your front door
[15:47] <Laney> the place through the open gate
[15:47] <Laney> :|
[15:47] <larsu> HAHA
[15:47] <Trevinho> seb128: titlebar text depends on gnome wm settings...
[15:48] <seb128> Trevinho, so I guess a setting change in the gnome updates, thanks
[15:48] <Trevinho> seb128: so... Not sure if that changed (I noticed the issue, but I didn't look at the setting change yet)
[15:48] <Trevinho> seb128: there are two things in action there
[15:48] <willcooke> anything else for meeting before we wrap?
[15:48] <Trevinho> seb128: one is "use the same of system font", and "titlebar font"
[15:49] <seb128> willcooke, don't think so
[15:49] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun  9 15:49:09 2015 UTC.
[15:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-06-09-15.31.moin.txt
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks call
[15:49] <willcooke> all
[15:49] <didrocks> seb128: did you document what you did to get snappy to boot on your uefi config?
[15:49] <larsu> Trevinho: I don't think that controls whether the font is bold, though
[15:49] <seb128> didrocks, no, it was code fixes and they are in wily
[15:49] <didrocks> seb128: oh nice!
[15:49] <seb128> didrocks, so it's just "use the current u-d-f version"
[15:49] <didrocks> great news
[15:50] <seb128> :-)
[15:50] <Laney> oh yes
[15:50] <Laney> it is that titlebar-uses-system-font pref
[15:51] <seb128> Laney, yet another one to add to ubuntu-settings override I guess?
[15:51] <seb128> I can do it if you want
[15:51] <Laney> if you want, I don't care either way
[15:51] <Laney> unbold looks good to me
[15:51] <larsu> indeed
[15:51] <larsu> setting it to false makes the title bold again
[15:51] <seb128> I like bold better
[15:51] <larsu> I agree with seb128
[15:52] <Laney> GO FOR IT!
[15:52] <seb128> :-)
[15:53] <larsu> Laney: as of the last update, epiphany is unbearably slow
[15:53] <larsu> did you notice something?
[15:53] <Laney> update of what?
[15:53] <larsu> I assume webkit
[15:53] <larsu> but don't know for sure
[15:53] <Laney> no sorry
[15:53] <larsu> just seeing it in an epiphany web app
[15:53] <Laney> does it use webkit2?
[15:54] <Laney> actually neither version has been updated for a while
[15:54] <larsu> weird
[15:54] <Laney> epiphany itself was though
[15:54] <Laney> but that's not our team, more ubuntu gnome
[15:54]  * Laney slippery hands
[15:55] <larsu> hihi
[15:56] <Laney> BAH
[15:56] <Laney> no-change rebuild of gtk -> now caught up with some random other test failures
[15:56] <Laney> this situation is bad
[15:59] <larsu> non deterministic tests?
[15:59] <Laney> they might be real
[15:59] <Laney> not caused by this though
[15:59] <larsu> irght
[16:00]  * Laney needs to go drink tea outside
[16:00] <Laney> can't face this right now
[16:00] <Laney> back in 5
[16:00] <larsu> enjoy!
[16:01] <Laney> "did president obama drink beer in the morning, and if he did - is it okay in bavaria?
[16:01] <Laney> we hear live from a bavarian beer merchant"
[16:01]  * Laney is looking forward to hearing this item on the radio
[16:02] <larsu> haha
[16:02] <desrt> 3g tethering on train = slow
[16:02] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_fourfm
[16:02] <desrt> train's wfii = worse
[16:02] <Laney> ok, brb!
[16:02] <larsu> desrt: don't travel during meeting times ;)
[16:03] <Trevinho> larsu: well, depends on what font you've set as system and what as titlebar (if not system one is used for titlebar)
[16:04] <desrt> srsly... they use the wifi on this thing as a selling point
[16:04]  * desrt wants money back
[16:09] <seb128> Laney, larsu, Trevinho, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/15.10.3
[16:21] <Laney> nice
[17:04] <Laney> see you!
[17:08] <didrocks> see you Laney
[19:03] <willcooke> g'night all
[21:33] <asterai> Hi guys, )))
[21:34] <asterai> I registered on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ and now i looking for a some trivial task.
[21:35] <asterai> My some on help me, to delegate(assignate) a task?
[21:35] <asterai> *May


[15:16] <tdr112> afternoon all
[15:17] <tdr112> irc meeting tonight
[15:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:23] <tdr112> hey cztab
[15:30] <czajkowski> week booked in ireland for July
[15:40] <slashtom> oh? when in july?
[15:41] <czajkowski> 4-8th
[15:41] <czajkowski> be in dublin one of the 5-8 days
[15:43] <slashtom> can we get together and steal cztab's ID to prevent her leaving?
[15:43] <czajkowski> heh
[15:49] <slashtom> should we arrange an ubuntu hour for when you're over?
[15:50] <czajkowski> I'll let you know closer to the date as it depends on an apointment in dublin what day I'm there if that's ok
[15:51] <slashtom> sure
[16:47] <czajkowski> ebel: http://www.kindle-maps.com/blog/yes-it-is-possible-to-cross-dublin-without-passing-a-pub.html
[16:47] <czajkowski> is making its way through ubuntu channels
[16:47] <ebel> indeed.
[16:47] <ebel> that in fact, would be me who did that
[16:48] <ebel> Was just talking to a journalist and getting photographed.
[16:48]  * ebel shall have to look in papers tomorrow
[16:51] <czajkowski> :D
[16:51] <czajkowski> so adding that bto the ubunut ie team report :D
[16:51] <ebel> sure :)
[16:51] <ebel> openstreetmap is open data.
[19:54] <tdr112> evening
[19:55] <airurando> evening tdr112
[19:55] <ebel> ello
[19:58] <infoturtle> how do guys
[20:02] <airurando> who is going to chair?
[20:03] <ebel> I could... if no-one else wants to
[20:03] <infoturtle> go for it!
[20:03] <tdr112> go for it
[20:03] <ebel> ok
[20:03] <ebel> #startmeeting
[20:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:03. The chair is ebel.
[20:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:04] <ebel> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2011-06-15
[20:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IRCMeetings/2011-06-15
[20:04] <ebel> our agenda
[20:04] <ebel> [topic] Review of previous action items
[20:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of previous action items
[20:04] <ebel> who wants to talk on that?
[20:05] <airurando> there was only one from may
[20:06] <airurando> ebel    tog, dublin meetup 2pm saturday for hackathon to work on reapproval page
[20:06] <airurando> tdr112 and I did meet up at TOG with czajkowski online
[20:07] <airurando> progress was made.
[20:07] <tdr112> a lot of work done more to do
[20:07] <infoturtle> hooray for progress!
[20:07] <airurando> I know ebel did some fancy work also on the reapproval page
[20:07]  * tdr112 still has to do the work he said he would
[20:07] <airurando> page is at:
[20:07] <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IrishTeamReApprovalApplication
[20:07] <ebel> cool
[20:08] <ebel> (re-approval is later on agenda, we can talk then)
[20:08] <airurando> exactly
[20:08] <airurando> just about to say that.
[20:09] <airurando> that ends it for the reviow of previous action items.
[20:09] <airurando> *review
[20:10] <airurando> shall we move on ebel?
[20:10] <ebel> [topic] June Geeknic: Post-event review
[20:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  June Geeknic: Post-event review
[20:10] <airurando> very quick.
[20:11] <tdr112> a few new faces , which was good
[20:11] <tdr112> airurando: has photos
[20:11] <infoturtle> :D
[20:11] <airurando> Geeknic took place during the lunch hour of 3DCamp in Limerick on Sat 11 Jun 11.
[20:11] <infoturtle> good to hear it went well
[20:11] <airurando> photos here: http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/album/412636
[20:12] <airurando> 3DCamp was very enjoyable and while the geeknic was short and small it was good fun.
[20:13] <airurando> I recommend this kind of regional event whenever the opportunity arises.
[20:13] <airurando> tdr112 gave a presentation at this barcamp and he was excellent.
[20:14] <airurando> details of the event can be found at  http://3dcamp.barcamp.ie/
[20:14] <airurando> that it for this one from me.
[20:14]  * airurando finishes dinner
[20:15] <ebel> airurando: can you take over?
[20:15]  * ebel phone call
[20:15] <airurando> ohis that possiblw?
[20:15] <airurando> we'll muddle through
[20:16] <airurando> new topic
[20:16] <tdr112> ebel: in the paper http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/computer-solves-joyce-pubs-riddle-2676281.html
[20:16] <airurando> [TOPIC] August Geeknic: Initial discussion
[20:17] <airurando> thoughts on the August Geeknic anyone?
[20:17] <airurando> Dublin I suppose?
[20:18] <airurando> leaving out the bank holiday leaves:
[20:18] <airurando> 12,13,14th
[20:18] <airurando> 19,20,21st
[20:18] <airurando> 26,27,28th
[20:19] <infoturtle> just starting the ball here, I'm down for any of those and will make this one
[20:19] <slashtom> poll it?
[20:19] <infoturtle> not picky on the date
[20:19] <slashtom> doodle
[20:19] <infoturtle> poll might be best
[20:19] <airurando> yeah we can doodle.
[20:19] <slashtom> location?
[20:20] <airurando> do we agree to leave the bank holiday off the list?
[20:20] <slashtom> aye
[20:20] <infoturtle> sure
[20:20] <airurando> slashtom: location suggestion?
[20:20] <infoturtle> I've always been a fan of easter island, but it's a bit away
[20:21] <airurando> tdr112 any ideas?
[20:21] <slashtom> how about walk then geeknic?
[20:21] <slashtom> greystones to bray?
[20:21] <airurando> how far is that?
[20:21] <slashtom> iirc tdr112 has done that walk
[20:22] <ebel> 1 or 2 hr walk iirc
[20:22]  * ebel off phone
[20:22] <airurando> and geeknic in Bray?
[20:22] <airurando> back to you ebel
[20:22] <slashtom> or greystones, both have dart stations
[20:22] <tdr112> gtg
[20:23] <airurando> I'm happy with whatever is decided
[20:23] <infoturtle> sounds like a class plan!
[20:23] <ebel> [agreed] poll for date of august geeknic
[20:23] <MootBot> AGREED received:  poll for date of august geeknic
[20:23]  * airurando only has small chance of making this one anyway)
[20:24] <airurando> I'll set up the poll (assuming it is easy) I'll chat to slashtom if I get stuck
[20:24] <ebel> location as a poll? people might add new ones?
[20:24] <ebel> doodle is very easy to use and set up
[20:25] <airurando> weather was ebel will you do it so please
[20:25] <ebel> i'll do the poll(s)
[20:25] <ebel> next topic?
[20:25] <airurando> yeah
[20:25] <ebel> [topic] LoCo Reapproval Application update
[20:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  LoCo Reapproval Application update
[20:25] <airurando> some discussion earlier.
[20:25] <airurando> now to the nitty gritty
[20:26] <airurando> I reckon the experience section is good as is.
[20:26] <airurando> I believe we need to fleash out the roadmap section as much as we are comfortable with.
[20:27] <airurando> I suggest keeping it very high level
[20:27] <airurando> tdr112 has this on his to do list but I think we should all chip in
[20:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:28] <airurando> czajkowski chatted to me on this recently
[20:28] <ebel> FYI I got an email from launchpad saying ubuntu-ie will expire from approved-team group in a few days
[20:29] <ebel> on 2011-06-22. i'm guessing that's 2 years after we approved
[20:29] <airurando> I reckon we should complete the roadmap and submit shortly
[20:29] <czajkowski> yes
[20:29] <ebel> i wouldn't worry about it too much
[20:29] <czajkowski> well ye will expire on the 22nd
[20:29] <infoturtle> oh no
[20:29] <czajkowski> but the meeting is the day before so we can go before re approval then
[20:29] <infoturtle> all of us?
[20:30] <czajkowski> or we can give ye a months grace
[20:30] <czajkowski> infoturtle: the team.....
[20:30] <airurando> should we try to get the submission in for next Tuesdays meeting?
[20:30] <czajkowski> tbh the wiki is in great shape and I say yes
[20:30] <airurando> great stuff.
[20:30] <airurando> ebel?
[20:30] <airurando> slashtom?
[20:31] <airurando> infoturtle?
[20:31] <airurando> I'd be +1 for the next meeting also.
[20:31] <infoturtle> meeting where?
[20:31] <czajkowski> infoturtle: on irc
[20:31] <ebel> re-approval meeting next tuesday? possibly.... what time? I don't have time to do much work on wiki page betwen now and then...
[20:31] <infoturtle> can do!
[20:32] <czajkowski> in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:32] <czajkowski> the wiki is in great shape folks
[20:32] <czajkowski> a little road map
[20:32] <czajkowski> and tis fine
[20:32] <airurando> ebel: all that's needed is a bit of work on the roadmap
[20:32] <czajkowski> TRUST ME
[20:32] <czajkowski> I do have one massive question for folks though so when we;re on AOB stab me please
[20:34] <airurando> ebel? slashtom?
[20:36] <ebel> well if i don't have to do anything....
[20:37] <czajkowski> nope
[20:37] <airurando> I'll hook up with tdr112 before the weekend
[20:37] <czajkowski> the wiki is a really good aplication
[20:38] <airurando> ebel if you could review and submit on Monday
[20:38] <ebel> though if we can wait, we might get more people at the IRC meeting....
[20:38] <ebel> more to time to organise people to get them there
[20:38] <czajkowski> as long as it's in the hour before the meeting tis fine
[20:39] <airurando> we can start plugging it tonight
[20:39] <airurando> 6 days left
[20:39] <czajkowski> aye
[20:39] <airurando> surely thats enough time no?
[20:39]  * ebel is 50/50 so will go with consenseue
[20:39] <czajkowski> I'll also be there and not voting as council
[20:40] <ebel> vote?
[20:40] <airurando> yeah
[20:40] <ebel> [vote] Should we submit our re-approval for next tuesday?
[20:40] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should we submit our re-approval for next tuesday?.
[20:40] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[20:40] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-ie
[20:40] <czajkowski> +1
[20:40] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:40] <ebel> 0
[20:40] <ebel> +0
[20:40] <MootBot> Abstention received from ebel. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:40] <tdr112> -1
[20:40] <MootBot> -1 received from tdr112. 1 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[20:40] <airurando> +1
[20:40] <MootBot> +1 received from airurando. 2 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:41] <airurando> infoturtle?
[20:41] <infoturtle> +1
[20:41] <MootBot> +1 received from infoturtle. 3 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:42] <czajkowski> tdr112: what's your reasonsing do you think it's not ready ? or you won't be there
[20:42] <ebel> czajkowski: we can re-apply the month after right? or what?
[20:42] <czajkowski> well we have 2 options.
[20:42] <tdr112> i think we need more time
[20:42] <czajkowski> 1) add the wiki application to the bug
[20:42] <czajkowski> 2) we extend the time by a month or so
[20:43] <czajkowski> so up to ye really
[20:43] <czajkowski> honestly
[20:43] <airurando> tdr112: what do you think is lacking
[20:43] <czajkowski> given I look at these the whole time, the wiki page is in fantastic shape
[20:43] <czajkowski> tis clear
[20:43] <czajkowski> details all th work
[20:44] <ebel> majority seems to be in favour...
[20:44] <airurando> tdr112: more time for what?
[20:44] <tdr112> i wont hold it up
[20:45] <tdr112> go for it
[20:45] <czajkowski> oki dokie
[20:46] <airurando> is it agreed so?
[20:46] <czajkowski> count is 2 so yeah seems so
[20:46] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/IrishTeamReApprovalApplication
[20:46] <airurando> tdr112, if something is niggling at you speak now.
[20:47] <czajkowski> only issue as far as I can see is the flicker images missing which I dont know why they are
[20:47] <tdr112> nope i will fix it over the next few days
[20:47] <czajkowski> okie
[20:47] <czajkowski> tdr112: I'm doing nothing all weekend hollar
[20:47] <airurando> does ebel have to submit it?
[20:47] <airurando> say on Monday?
[20:47] <czajkowski> tuesday is fine
[20:47] <ebel> [agreed] re-approval on tues
[20:47] <MootBot> AGREED received:  re-approval on tues
[20:47] <czajkowski> just add it to the wiki the hr before
[20:48] <airurando> right oh
[20:48] <airurando> fingers and toes crossed.
[20:50] <czajkowski> stop over thinking
[20:50] <ebel> cool
[20:50] <ebel> so who is doing the nitty gritty submission stuff?
[20:51] <czajkowski> whatcha mean
[20:51] <czajkowski> nitty gritty ?
[20:51] <airurando> ebel: czajkowski said we just need to add it to the wiki
[20:51] <ebel> who's submitting it
[20:51] <czajkowski> anyone can add it to the wiki
[20:52] <ebel> ok
[20:52] <czajkowski> so if yer finsihed over the weekend just add it
[20:52] <ebel> ok, who ever is the last to finish on the wiki adds it to the agenda for the loco council
[20:52] <ebel> ?
[20:52] <czajkowski> yeah
[20:53] <ebel> cool
[20:53] <ebel> next topic?
[20:53] <airurando> ok
[20:53] <ebel> [topic] ubuntu-ie.org hosting options
[20:53] <MootBot> Vote is in progress. Finishing now.
[20:53] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 1 against. 1 abstained. Total: 2
[20:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  ubuntu-ie.org hosting options
[20:54] <airurando> I put this up after ebel's mail
[20:54] <czajkowski> well I can ask BK to do it again if we like
[20:54] <ebel> we can
[20:54] <czajkowski> I know thethomaseffect asked about domains names to be pointed but we needed to confirm the hosting
[20:54] <ebel> cause our BK sponsored hosting is due to expire soon
[20:54] <czajkowski> and then a mail to be sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which I'll sort
[20:55] <infoturtle> I was working on that too and then got stuck with it
[20:55] <ebel> a few people (on the mailing list) have offered hosting
[20:55] <czajkowski> nods
[20:55] <airurando> yeah
[20:55] <airurando> appreciated for sure
[20:55] <ebel> However we need a webmaster/webmistriss not a host....
[20:55] <czajkowski> well we have 2 people working on a site
[20:55] <thethomaseffect> Apologies, I'm here
[20:55] <czajkowski> :s
[20:55] <czajkowski> ah ha
[20:55] <czajkowski> :)
[20:55] <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: aloha
[20:56] <ebel> i have forgotten what was going on with the web hosting...
[20:56] <thethomaseffect> Hallo :)
[20:56] <czajkowski> I need someone to tell me what dns to point to where so I can resolve that issue
[20:56] <ebel> what's the problem with DNS?
[20:57] <czajkowski> ebel: I dont know it was mentoned in here by thethomaseffect
[20:57] <czajkowski> I assumed to point to new hosting
[20:58] <ebel> thethomaseffect: can you give an update on the new hosting?
[20:58] <thethomaseffect> The address needed is somewhere in the blacknight CP I'm quite positive, but since I've no experience in repointing domains I wouldn't be entirely certain
[20:58] <thethomaseffect> ebel:  Sure, any parts in particular?
[20:59] <airurando> All well above my head.
[20:59] <ebel> well, i dunno... eh is it ready to go live? what have you done with it? how does it compare to the old hosting?
[21:00] <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: have you seen http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-webthemes
[21:00] <ebel> should we contact BK and ask if they can renew the hosting? or what?
[21:00] <thethomaseffect> I seen mention yesterday that ubuntu uk use wordpress instead of drupal. Wordpress is a lot easier to maintain and would fit the site better, since it's mostly used for news. I think since it's not an issue to archive the old site at archive.ubuntu-ie.org it would be a good move to use it.
[21:01] <thethomaseffect> czajkowski:  Had a quick look, though design isn't an issue as soon as domain is repointed
[21:01] <czajkowski> the only reason I would chose BK is well we have some of them on here and on the ML
[21:01] <ebel> you don't *need* to change DNS / repoint domains to test. You can edit /etc/hosts (if that's what's blocking you)
[21:01] <czajkowski> and it's nice to support irish
[21:02] <thethomaseffect> ebel:  I've done a theme, I'm cautious of installing any CMS unless it's on the domain that'll be the one used in the live version
[21:02] <ebel> once we have it ready, we can repoint the DNS to the new server
[21:02] <ebel> do/did you have access to the blacknight hosting to set things up?
[21:02] <thethomaseffect> couldn't I just put up an under consturuction page and link back to old site?
[21:03] <airurando> czajkowski: will you ask BK as you offered?
[21:03] <czajkowski> yup
[21:03] <czajkowski> can do
[21:03] <airurando> great stuff.
[21:03] <airurando> ebel action for czajkowski
[21:03] <ebel> [agreed] ask BK for more hosting
[21:03] <MootBot> AGREED received:  ask BK for more hosting
[21:03] <ebel> [action]
[21:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:
[21:03] <ebel> [action] czajkowski to ask BK
[21:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  czajkowski to ask BK
[21:04] <ebel> thethomaseffect: well we /could/, but that's not very user freindly, and you can install any CMS on the BK hosting and then we can send users over when it's ready?
[21:06] <thethomaseffect> ebel:  In the installation, all the links will be pointing at the wrong address. It'll be the absolute one rather than the one that'll be used. It's not good from a security perspective. It's possible there'll be no issue but what can go wrong, will
[21:06] <thethomaseffect> once the domain is repointed, unless i have personal stuff, i'm confident i can have most stuff migrated in just 48 hours
[21:07] <czajkowski> ok so atm, don;t we have access to the hosting
[21:07] <czajkowski> so can we try it out
[21:07] <ebel> yeah
[21:07] <tdr112> Kill all Zombies
[21:08] <ebel> we ourselves can't change the DNS, we need canonical to do that.
[21:08] <thethomaseffect> myself and infoturtle ran into PHP issues while trying to set things up on the absolute url also. We could reach a index.htl but not a drupal/install.php
[21:08] <czajkowski> ebel: see that there is the info I need
[21:08] <czajkowski> if you tell me what you need changed
[21:08] <czajkowski> I'll do the mail and go talk to IS to get it done
[21:08] <ebel> thethomaseffect: you have access to the BK hosting, right? can you start looking at installing things?
[21:08] <thethomaseffect> once the somain is sorted out I'm sure it won't be an issue, my own hosting is blacknight and it was smooth sailing installing drupal and wordpress
[21:08] <czajkowski> but I am cluseless as to what you want DNS changed to
[21:09] <ebel> (I'm trying to make sure I'm not blocking anything)
[21:09] <thethomaseffect> ebel:  like i said, i did, and can't until there's a domain
[21:09]  * czajkowski is lost
[21:10] <ebel> right, so ubunut-ie.org and www.ubuntu-ie.org need to point to the new blacknight host then?
[21:10] <ebel> (any other domains)
[21:10] <thethomaseffect> aye
[21:10] <czajkowski> ok
[21:10] <thethomaseffect> and afaik no
[21:10] <ebel> I'll figure out the details fromk BK, then send them to czajkowski. who can pass that email onto canonical/whoever (since they know who)
[21:10] <ebel> then we'll tell ye and ye should be good to go?
[21:11] <czajkowski> ebel: thanks
[21:11] <czajkowski> if you tell me what I'll email it and then get it done ASAP
[21:11] <ebel> kewl
[21:12] <ebel> sorted
[21:12] <ebel> next topic?
[21:12] <airurando> yip
[21:12] <ebel> [topic] Launchpad team are sprinting in Dublin (from tdr112)
[21:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Launchpad team are sprinting in Dublin (from tdr112)
[21:12] <czajkowski> :D
[21:14] <ebel> tdr112 around?
[21:14] <czajkowski> as far as I know there is a pub picked
[21:14] <czajkowski> possible the barge
[21:14] <czajkowski> close to the hotel where they are staying lower leason st
[21:16] <ebel> ok. what dates is this? we could have an ubuntu hour? or similar?
[21:17] <czajkowski> cant find the emails :s
[21:17] <czajkowski> early july
[21:17] <czajkowski> as far as I can tell
[21:18] <ebel> ok
[21:18] <ebel> so while away...
[21:18] <ebel> unless tdr112 had anything special to say.... (or anyone else)?
[21:19] <czajkowski> it;s a laucpad
[21:19] <czajkowski> *launchpad
[21:19] <czajkowski> Canonical platform team and linaro over here
[21:19] <czajkowski> over 300 of them
[21:20] <ebel> lots
[21:20] <czajkowski> yup
[21:20] <czajkowski> pretty much as big as a UDS
[21:21] <ebel> cool
[21:21] <airurando> when is this happening?
[21:22] <czajkowski> begining of July
[21:22] <ebel> we should try to meet up?
[21:22] <czajkowski> aye tdr112 has contacted mat revell
[21:22] <czajkowski> from the laucnhpad team
[21:22] <tdr112> i will send the details about the meet up when i know
[21:22] <ebel> cool
[21:22] <czajkowski> and the arangement is for a night in a pub
[21:22] <czajkowski> ah there he is
[21:24] <ebel> cool
[21:24] <ebel> so tdr112 you'll keep us informed?
[21:24] <tdr112> yep
[21:25] <ebel> next topic? (AOB?)
[21:26] <ebel> czajkowski: you wanted to say something?
[21:26] <czajkowski> nope covered above
[21:27] <ebel> cool
[21:27] <ebel> AOB?
[21:27] <ebel> #endmeeting
[21:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:27.
[21:27] <ebel> thanks everyone for coming
[21:27] <airurando> thanks ebel
[22:04] <czajkowski> ebel: breaking news headingline
[22:05] <czajkowski> http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/computer-solves-joyce-pubs-riddle-509122.html
[22:50] <ebel> yeah tis craxy
[22:51] <ebel> it's all from Press Association. they do stories, then newspapers print them
[22:51] <ebel> (hence why it's the same story everywhere)