[00:01] <ubptgbot> <Robert Segovia> (Photo, 400x739) https://irc.ubports.com/aveq4EB8.png Amazing👌
[05:34] <ubptgbot> krishur03 was added by: krishur03
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], How did you theme it like that?
[06:11] <ubptgbot> Prakash Gajare was added by: Prakash Gajare
[07:49] <ubptgbot> Jakov Ferko was added by: Jakov Ferko
[08:27] <ubptgbot> omerready was added by: omerready
 Is it possible to use Mumble on UT, ie is there a client?
 [Edit] Is it possible to use Mumble on UT, ie is there a client or a way of getting it to work?
 [Edit] Is it possible to use Mumble on UT, ie is there a client or a way of getting it to work?, or am I way off the mark here.
 There is no Mumble client currently, though I'd like to see one for UT. It probably just needs a QML frontend.
 @fredldotme [There is no Mumble client currently, though I'd like to see one for UT. It proba …], ok, thanks for letting me know.
[11:01] <ubptgbot> gorushbman was added by: gorushbman
 I really want to test Convergence 😄
 @MrCoolAndroid [I really want to test Convergence 😄], you mean, connecting to external display? … convergence is a broad word in this community 😝
 Yeah
 best device for that would be Nexus 5 since it supports wired external display support
 And there's a way to connect to a external display via WiFi?
 yes, but only few devices where it actually works. I believe it doesn't work on nexus 5. Also, it won't be a good experience anyway since there'll be too much input lag. It's only good for media consumption.
[11:51] <ubptgbot> ravijain87 was added by: ravijain87
 @Javacookies [yes, but only few devices where it actually works. I believe it doesn't work on …], Do you know it wifi would work for Xperia? Or if there is a list of supported devices?
 Generally, only ports with Android 5.0 and up are capable of streaming their display via Aethercast. I'm not sure if Nexus 5 falls into that category.
 not really sure, personally I never got it working 😅
 @Danfro [Do you know it wifi would work for Xperia? Or if there is a list of supported de …], Halium 7.1 ports probably should almost work fine, though I remember @peat_psuwit working on some kinks regarding on the FP2 Halium 7.1 port.
 @fredldotme [Generally, only ports with Android 5.0 and up are capable of streaming their dis …], If I make a port of my device... It have Android 8.1
 @MrCoolAndroid [If I make a port of my device... It have Android 8.1], You should probably work on Halium 9.0 then, if you really want to port your device. Which device is that?
 @fredldotme [You should probably work on Halium 9.0 then, if you really want to port your dev …], Moto E5 Play version (pettyl), it have Android 8.1 but also it have GO, that will affect?
 @fredldotme [Halium 7.1 ports probably should almost work fine, though I remember @peat_psuwi …], Thanks. If it is expected to work, I might try it when I get near a TV next time.
 @Danfro [Thanks. If it is expected to work, I might try it when I get near a TV next time …], I can't guarantee it though, it might require some changes.
 Sadly, I don't have the hardware to look at it myself
 @MrCoolAndroid [Moto E5 Play version (pettyl), it have Android 8.1 but also it have GO, that wil …], Is there a LineageOS 16.0 port available for it?
 @fredldotme [Is there a LineageOS 16.0 port available for it?], I don't think so, this device doesn't have too much custom ROMs
 @fredldotme [Sadly, I don't have the hardware to look at it myself], Me too. 😆 Need to visit people with a TV or try the big one at work. But on the plus side, its a toy and nothing crucial. So I can wait or live without it.
 @fredldotme [Is there a LineageOS 16.0 port available for it?], I don't think it's possible but, it's possible to dual boot with Android?
 We currently have no plans to support dual booting. This requires a lot of work.
 Ok no problem
[12:18] <ubptgbot> SpzjulienSupercowz was added by: SpzjulienSupercowz
 hello telegram apps is advable on ubuntu touch ?
 @MrCoolAndroid [I don't think it's possible but, it's possible to dual boot with Android?], it's not supported nor plan but if your device supports multirom then there's a chance
 @SpzjulienSupercowz [hello telegram apps is advable on ubuntu touch ?], Yeah
 @Javacookies [it's not supported nor plan but if your device supports multirom then there's a …], Then no haha
 @MrCoolAndroid [Yeah], cool thanks, i will order meizu 5 pro
 What "popular" apps are available on Ubuntu Touch?
 cut the rope 😂 … but it's gone now  … nothing official … TELEports is the closest you'll get since it uses official API from telegram
 WhatsApp? Telegram it's available I think
 @MrCoolAndroid [WhatsApp? Telegram it's available I think], https://open-store.io/
 @wouter182 [https://open-store.io/], Nice thanks
 @Javacookies [cut the rope 😂 … but it's gone now  … nothing official … TELEports is the closest you …], That game, I liked it very much, it's a pity it is gone...any chance to recover it from the land of lost souls?
 I believe it's just HTML-based but it was provided my real creator and proprietary I believe
[14:11] <ubptgbot> ha6iz was added by: ha6iz
 how to install redmi 4x mobile in ubundu touch
 telll me plz
 Does video recording now work on the xperia X f5122?
 @ha6iz [how to install redmi 4x mobile in ubundu touch], https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3682/xiaomi-redmi-4x-santoni/2
 @lonerider_one [https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3682/xiaomi-redmi-4x-santoni/2], thank you..
 It's me or I think there's x86 version? No no wait, I'm wrong 😅
 Oh wait I just checked compatible devices and there is!
 That means I can install it on a computer, or run it on Live USB?
[15:31] <ubptgbot> FunnyGuyver was added by: FunnyGuyver
 Hello I like Linux Mobile Stuff, be kind
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/eWMd0a7j.webp
 @FunnyGuyver [Hello I like Linux Mobile Stuff, be kind], Welcome.
 @TartanSpartan [I'll look through the other folders when I wake up to check what they have. If n …], Done that finally, just looks like some useful files in certain app's `HubIncoming` which I have backed up in case I don;'t have copies of them. Besides that and the Libertine container's rootfs, otherwise nothing much worth botherin
[15:47] <ubptgbot> g to retain.
 Ok now I'm going to upgrade this tablet to OTA-12, give that a quick spin, try out Anbox on the M10, then flash it to Android. It was definitely my Old Faithful for over three years :) but has been superseded by a newer model with better storage and an uncracked screen.
 @MrCoolAndroid [That means I can install it on a computer, or run it on Live USB?], Someone knows?
 I'm just going to say I'm trying the App Drawer for the first time with an open mind, let's see how this goes.
 Not too shabby for starters.
 give it time. it'll grow on you and think of it as a child that will grow with time 😉
 I don't really have complaints so far :)
 This will only be a preview though, might take a lot longer for my main devices to be upgraded.
 Tested and it looks like individual tab histories in Morph are still absent. I hope that will come in a QOL OTA, maybe 13 or 14?
 if you often use a physical keyboard on your tablet then you'll love the app drawer
 @TartanSpartan [Tested and it looks like individual tab histories in Morph are still absent. I h …], you mean the preview of each tab?
 I do often use a keyboard so awesome then. Not sure if I can pull up the OSK though, need to play around with that.
 (Photo, 1280x830) https://irc.ubports.com/2sT7cuWq.png Does Someone know how to make the root partition bigger by using the userdata?
 No. Say you have Tab A at Reddit, navigate forward to Facebook, then to Google. Close Morph. Tab A will only keep the Google page in it's history. It needs to keep all of those browsed sites so we can navigate between the history. Maybe there was a bunch of articles on Reddit we want to go back to later.
 (and that's why I *still* hold on to the legacy browser in my new M10 ;) )
 [Edit] (and that's why I still hold on to the legacy browser in my new M10 ;) )
 @TartanSpartan [I do often use a keyboard so awesome then. Not sure if I can pull up the OSK tho …], there's an option to enable OSK even while a physical keyboard is connected. It's in the `Language & Text` or the keyboard icon in the login screen 😉
 @TartanSpartan [No. Say you have Tab A at Reddit, navigate forward to Facebook, then to Google. …], oh I see, the feature was implemented in the old browser? didn't know that. That's necessary feature indeed
 It sure was, I think most users expect it for a browsing phone.
 [Edit] It sure was, I think most users expect it for a browsing phablet.
 @Nspire [<reply to media>], what device? there are ways if the partitions are loopbacks instead of real partitions
 @Javacookies [what device? there are ways if the partitions are loopbacks instead of real part …], It is the oneplus one(Bacon)
 @Javacookies [what device? there are ways if the partitions are loopbacks instead of real part …], [Edit] It is the oneplus one(codename:Bacon)
 @Javacookies how can I do these loopbacks?
 @Nspire [It is the oneplus one(codename:Bacon)], okay not sure if is similar to Nexus 5 but if you know what you are doing and know the risks. OTA updates may not work OR overwrite all your changes in the root and so on then I'll give a link in the forum. I believe there's one with commands
 here it is, you're on your own. Don't blame me for anything 😂 … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1729/set-partition-sizes-when-flashing/8?_=1591024402035
 @Javacookies [here it is, you're on your own. Don't blame me for anything 😂 … https://forums.ub …], Thanks a lot I will try it.
 Guys I can run Ubuntu Touch on a x86 computer? Or it's just a.... I don't remember the name, where you can install it in the Terminal, Unity 4?
 @MrCoolAndroid [Guys I can run Ubuntu Touch on a x86 computer? Or it's just a.... I don't rememb …], yes and no. there is an amd64 qemu image that can run. but it's nowhere near the same as running on a phone right now
 I was reading in Ubuntu Touch page and I readed that's not compatible but you can install Unity 4 I think
[17:10] <ubptgbot> Florine Green was added by: Florine Green
 @Javacookies [here it is, you're on your own. Don't blame me for anything 😂 … https://forums.ub …], it does not help to me after following the instructions and rebooting the root partition has the same size
 have you tried the command with lash?
 does the size changed from just 2GB?
 why do you think you need to resize the rootfs?
 Hi all, new to the group. Haven't installed Ubuntu Touch as I don't have a device that supports it but keeping an eye as I like the direction that Pinephone is moving and hoping for development on the hardware scene as that shows there is a place for Linux based phones. 🤞🏽🤞🏽
[18:35] <ubptgbot> Jacob Kophamer was added by: Jacob Kophamer
[18:39] <ubptgbot> <Jacob Kophamer> I noticed there are several versions available for Sony Xperia. What is the possibility of one of these working with and Xperia XA2 (H3123), or getting this phone supported?
 @wayneTBT [Does video recording now work on the xperia X f5122?], It does work - if you use the gst-droid alternative camera version that is nit yet merged.
 For asus max pro m1 please
 @Jacob Kophamer [I noticed there are several versions available for Sony Xperia. What is the poss …], Another devices port will not work. If it can be unlocked someone would need to create a port for it. That requires a) that device and b) quite some time.
[19:33] <ubptgbot> <Jacob Kophamer> @Danfro [Another devices port will not work. If it can be unlocked someone would need to …], That's what I expected, just had to check. I'll just get a phone that is already supported.
 @Jacob Kophamer [That's what I expected, just had to check. I'll just get a phone that is already …], Unless you want to try porting it yourself, that is the best thing to do. Unfortunately ever device needs to be ported on its own.
 @Danfro [It does work - if you use the gst-droid alternative camera version that is nit y …], Thank you, I just purchased an X f5122 and Im excited to put UT on it.  Do you know how long this phone will be supported for?
 @wayneTBT [Thank you, I just purchased an X f5122 and Im excited to put UT on it.  Do you k …], I have got no idea. Alfred is still maintaining the port. I have got exactly the same phone. So hopefully for as long as my phone works. 😁
 @Danfro [I have got no idea. Alfred is still maintaining the port. I have got exactly the …], heheh, nice.  Fair enough.
 But the Xperias are quite popular amongst our German fellowers and those ports are quite new. So I guess it will be a while.
 Great, thanks for the update.
 Im currently on a Nexus 5 and am also unsure as to how long that'll be supported for.
 @wayneTBT [Thank you, I just purchased an X f5122 and Im excited to put UT on it.   Like 'that new movie is compact man'
 That was a lie btw
 Ah, ok, Im so not with it.
 hahaha, Ive been suckered. Ok.
 That was my daily contribution to free software
 Btw nice work to community lately and high fives. Nearly 3k people here too. I remember celebrating 1k :)
 Like openstore.. How awesome is that?
 @anpok [Thats compact?], Nope, thats just X nothing added but UT. 😉
 @wayneoutthere [Like openstore.. How awesome is that?], Very awesome. We have a great bunch of people here :)
 @Jacob Kophamer [I noticed there are several versions available for Sony Xperia. What is the poss …], @fredldotme maybe for you?
 @wayneoutthere [It means 'cool' to the cool kids. Like 'that new movie is compact man'], I mean the compact version..but nm i constantly mix the device numbers
 @Jacob Kophamer [I noticed there are several versions available for Sony Xperia. What is the poss …], That would be a halium 8/9 story... I have one of those..but mit allowed to brick it
[20:37] <ubptgbot> Carl Sakamoto was added by: Carl Sakamoto
 The UBports community is compact, man.
 @Javacookies [have you tried the command with lash?], What do you mean with lash?
 @Javacookies [does the size changed from just 2GB?], No, saidly it is still 2gb
 @dohbee [why do you think you need to resize the rootfs?], So installiert more packages an Anbox
 @Nspire [So installiert more packages an Anbox], apt is not a generally supported method for installing things in UT. Libertine is the supported method for installing legacy apps and CLI tools if you need them. You shouldn't need to resize the image to install anbox either
 @dohbee [apt is not a generally supported method for installing things in UT. Libertine i …], Yes, but last time i just installed Anbox und some packages in Libertine an the root partition get 99% filled and from that point much stuff didn't work.
 @Nspire [Yes, but last time i just installed Anbox und some packages in Libertine an the …], libertine doesn't install things in the root partition, it's a container. also, anbox is itself not very large, so will fit fine. the root image is already pretty much full as it is. You can bind mount apt cache and lib dirs to have that written ou
[21:10] <ubptgbot> tside the rootfs, which will avoid immediately running out of space, or just download the deb for setting up anbox and use `dpkg -i` to install. the android image itself used by anbox is not in rootfs either.
 anbox is quite experimental, and libertine is also still pretty experimental, so things breaking were probably more related to that than the loopback image itself being "full"
 @dohbee [libertine doesn't install things in the root partition, it's a container. also, …], But why can't I just reduce the size of userdata to get more storage available for any partition which went out of memory?
 @Nspire [But why can't I just reduce the size of userdata to get more storage available f …], you can do whatever you want of course, but it's not supported, and will cause problems with updates and such. the rootfs is readonly for a reason
 But what is the reason for that big userdata partition?
 Maybe there is something what I didn't get now.😁
[21:27] <ubptgbot> Dazen5 was added by: Dazen5
 @Nspire [But what is the reason for that big userdata partition?], for storing your data?
 anyway, UT does not alter partition sizes from what the partitions are on Android, except for on the old retail devices, which had different partition sizing for the OEM Ubuntu Edition phones
[22:05] <ubptgbot> Matt McClellan was added by: Matt McClellan
[22:05] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Is this where I need to go if I have issues?
[22:05] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Like technical issues 😉
[22:07] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Followed these instructions to the T and can’t activate VPN on my Nexus 5 with Ubuntu touch.   … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/vpn-on-ubuntu-touch-178
[22:07] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Says there were “no valid vpn secrets”
[22:13] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> Any suggestions. Anyone else have this issue?
 @Matt McClellan [Says there were “no valid vpn secrets”], I use the devel version and it keeps the password
[22:18] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> What’s the devel version?
 (Photo, 953x759) https://irc.ubports.com/i1j0ThRy.png
 (Photo, 953x759) https://irc.ubports.com/QqDactRZ.png
 (Photo, 241x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/WTMo66hd.png Why isn't Redmi Note 4x (mido) included in the device list? Is it waiting for the stable version? while the Apha port is available?
[22:37] <ubptgbot> <Matt McClellan> @real_ysh [<reply to media>], Thanks!
 @IDCROW [<reply to media>], it's not a comprehensive list of every halium port that has been started
 i suppose it is not yet in a state where the porter has made a change request to add it
 @dohbee [it's not a comprehensive list of every halium port that has been started], Okay, thanks, and I saw Halium entered the list yesterday afternoon 😄


[00:23] <cpnangil> Howdy
[00:23] <cpnangil> hows it going?
[00:30] <foxwolfblood> cpnangil: hi
[00:30] <cpnangil> How do you do foxwolfblood
[00:31] <foxwolfblood> cpnangil: pretty good, you?
[00:31] <cpnangil> thanks
[00:31] <cpnangil> im well
[00:31] <cpnangil> where about are you from?
[00:31] <foxwolfblood> charlotte
[00:32] <foxwolfblood> cpnangil: you?
[00:34] <cpnangil> Lake Glenville area
[00:34] <foxwolfblood> ah ok
[00:34] <cpnangil> ever been here?
[00:34] <cpnangil> southen blue ridge mountains
[00:35] <foxwolfblood> cpnangil: can't say that i can remember doing so
[00:35] <cpnangil> we have a small 4.5 acre island here
[00:36] <cpnangil> its a perfect getaway in paradise
[00:36] <foxwolfblood> cpnangil: im sure
[00:36] <foxwolfblood> i got a place like that kinda in SC, private lake
[00:37] <foxwolfblood> i should say "private"
[00:37] <foxwolfblood> there is a park but no water access
[00:39] <cpnangil> http://g.co/maps/ptq6p
[00:39] <cpnangil> do you see that small teardrop shaped island in the center of the picture?
[00:39] <foxwolfblood> yea
[00:39] <cpnangil> thats it
[00:39] <foxwolfblood> nice
[00:42] <foxwolfblood> http://g.co/maps/ds58n cpnangil
[00:42] <foxwolfblood> thats where i am
[00:49] <cpnangil> at the air base?
[00:50] <foxwolfblood> cpnangil: no
[00:50] <foxwolfblood> that lake
[00:50] <foxwolfblood> im not going to give more location :P
[00:50] <cpnangil> thats where the summer house is?
[00:50] <cpnangil> thats cool
[00:50] <cpnangil> i mean i understand
[00:50] <cpnangil> i didnt care to give the exact location
[00:50] <cpnangil> because im not scare of invasions or anything like that :D
[00:51] <cpnangil> you need a boat to attack me :D
[00:51] <foxwolfblood> cpnangil: well nor am i tbh,
[00:51] <foxwolfblood> but i know these logs go online publicly


[04:28] <barrydk> More almal
[04:30] <Symmetria> ek kan nie a woord van afrikaans praat of verstaan nie ;p
[04:30] <Symmetria> so wat se jy?
[04:30] <Symmetria> ;p
[04:51] <barrydk> I said good morning to every one Symmetria
[05:10] <pieter2627> morning barrydk
[05:16] <pieter2627> morning Kilos
[05:17] <Kilos> morning pieter2627  hows you today?
[05:17] <pieter2627> fantastic ty, and you?
[05:17] <Kilos> im good ty, just wondering if im gonna be loadshed at 8 again
[05:18] <pieter2627> haha, did the 4pm one hit you yesterday?
[05:18] <Kilos> no only the 8 am one
[05:20] <pieter2627> i was kind of disappointed to also miss it
[05:21] <Kilos> i just worry the sheeding is going to mess up my only 100%good drive as well
[05:21] <Kilos> shedding
[05:22] <Kilos> oh i wanted to ask you as well about ram
[05:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[05:23] <Kilos> is the samsung notebook memory the same
[05:24] <pieter2627> depends...
[05:25] <pieter2627> older ones will be ddr2, and i think even older mem types for the more older one
[05:26] <Kilos> i see my supplier has the ddr3 for R269 for 2g
[05:26] <Kilos> what make is your lappy
[05:26] <pieter2627> that's not too bad... msi (ddr3)
[05:27] <Kilos> SAMSUNG 2GB DRR3 PC3- 10600 1333MHZ SODIMM
[05:27] <pieter2627> last i checked takealot had for around R230
[05:27] <pieter2627> so am constantly eyeing them
[05:29] <pieter2627> it is weird how most sell the 1333MHZ's
[05:30] <Kilos> what is yours
[05:31] <pieter2627> 1600MHZ
[05:31] <Kilos> ai!
[05:32] <pieter2627> or so says `dmidecode` (it lists the wrong number of slots)
[05:33] <Kilos> SAMSUNG 8GB DDR3 1600MHZ SODIMM, 1.35V LOW POWERED
[05:34] <pieter2627> i'm brasing myself
[05:34] <Kilos> thats a lot of money for ram
[05:34] <Kilos> but 8g is lekker
[05:35] <pieter2627> hey it is (you forgot the price)
[05:35] <Kilos> R899
[05:35] <pieter2627> s/hey/yea/
[05:36] <pieter2627> ouch, takealot still seems the best (for R833)
[05:36] <Kilos> the pricelist opens here on libreoffice calc and copy paste not easy
[05:37] <Kilos> and your cpu speed?
[05:37] <pieter2627> or maybe they aren't with this one (theirs is actually R932)
[05:38] <pieter2627> 1800Mhz (Dual ivery)
[05:38] <Kilos> ai!
[05:39] <Kilos> im running 12.04 on my old pc with 2g ram but its at least a 3g cpu
[05:39] <Kilos> ddr ram too
[05:40] <Kilos> its slow but doesnt hang
[05:40] <pieter2627> this cpu outperforms my old 2.8Mhz
[05:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:41] <Kilos> so just ram needed then
[05:42] <pieter2627> yes, (i can't actually remember seeing the cpu at 100% lately)
[05:43] <Jacques_Stry> Morning all
[05:43] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[05:43] <pieter2627> morning Jacques_Stry
[05:44] <Symmetria> mmm
[05:44] <Symmetria> morning
[05:44] <Symmetria> isn't there an ubuntu release today?
[05:44] <Kilos> hi Symmetria
[05:44] <Jacques_Stry> 15.04 RC was yesterday
[05:44] <Kilos> yesterday wasnt it
[05:44] <Symmetria> aahh when is the final?
[05:44] <Symmetria> RC is always pretty small
[05:44] <Jacques_Stry> Next week friday
[05:44] <Jacques_Stry> Thursday*
[05:45] <Jacques_Stry> If you want to install the current RC: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/20150416/
[05:46] <Symmetria> heh, nah, not wanting to install it, just watcing traffic on the mirror servers
[05:46] <Jacques_Stry> lol
[05:46] <Jacques_Stry> forgot you manage that :)
[05:48] <mealso> hi Symmetria
[05:50]  * Kilos better shutdown old machine before im shed
[05:50] <mealso> bye now
[05:50] <Jacques_Stry> B
[05:51] <Symmetria> holy crap
[05:51] <Symmetria> the ubuntu mirror server
[05:51] <Symmetria> is doing between 250 and 300 hits a second
[05:51] <Kilos> whew
[05:52] <Symmetria> and on occcasion hitting up to 370 hits a second
[05:52] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[05:53] <Kilos> ubuntu is actually going stronger than ever
[05:53] <Kilos> only peeps have forgotten irc
[05:53] <pieter2627> is that sa only?
[05:53] <Symmetria> pieter2627 east africa
[05:53] <Symmetria> aalston@mirror:~$ tail -f /var/log/apache2/ubuntu-archive.log |pv -l -i3 -r -a -t >/dev/null
[05:53] <Symmetria> 0:00:36 [ 279/s] [ 290/s]
[05:54] <Kilos> Symmetria  you clever
[05:54] <Symmetria> heh, refreshing every 3 seconds, time counter is time I've been looking, second column is average hits per second and third is the rate in the last 3 seconds
[05:54] <Kilos> how can you remind them all about irc
[05:54] <Kilos> #ubuntu-africa is the channel to point to
[05:55] <pieter2627> wow, what was the past figures?
[05:55] <Symmetria> pieter2627 thats current figures as we speak
[05:55] <pieter2627> and previous (rc) releases?
[05:56] <Symmetria> hard to say, even on a normal day we're running at 200+ hits a second though
[05:56] <Symmetria> heh, on full release days that can easily cross a thousand
[05:57]  * pieter2627 is amazed O_O
[05:58] <Kilos> Symmetria  answer me man
[05:58] <Symmetria> Kilos heh, I have no idea how to get people back onto irc
[05:58] <Symmetria> facebook/twitter killed the irc star :(
[05:58] <Kilos> well think
[05:58] <Kilos> ya
[05:59] <Kilos> and i dont like either of them
[05:59] <Kilos> i think im about to be shed
[05:59] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[05:59] <Maaz> oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!
[06:00] <Jacques_Stry> I'm shedding at 11
[06:00] <Kilos> i can never find my area to check
[06:00] <pieter2627> Kilos: it is not cold enough yet to start shedding leaves :P
[06:01] <Kilos> 6ks west of mahem
[06:01] <Kilos> haha
[06:02] <Symmetria> lol at least you can tell kinda when you gonan get loadshed
[06:02] <Symmetria> in Kenya they just randomly fucking turn it off
[06:02] <Symmetria> ;p
[06:03] <Symmetria> heh my power at home went out this morning at 5:17am and still isnt back ;(
[06:03] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[06:03] <Kilos> ai!
[06:04] <Kilos> hi lin
[06:04] <lin> hehe
[06:04] <lin> kilos
[06:04] <lin> hi
[06:06] <Kilos> i forget where you are located lin
[06:07]  * Kilos needs a young sectretary with a good memory
[06:07] <Kilos> secretary
[06:07] <Kilos> daai mooi meisies
[06:08] <pieter2627> ... and good spellign
[06:08] <pieter2627> ;P
[06:08] <Kilos> haha
[06:08] <Kilos> my spelling is fine, its my fingers that forget where to go
[06:09] <pieter2627> oh yea forgot... she need smooth fingers?
[06:09] <Kilos> lol
[06:10] <Kilos> wow looks like they forgot to shed me
[06:10] <Kilos> so it will be this avy then
[06:10] <lin> I'm in Kenya, Kilos
[06:11] <Kilos> ty lin im gonna add you in my list for there now
[06:11] <pieter2627> or they stopped since yesterday since there was none yesterday afternoon either
[06:12] <Kilos> hold thumbs
[06:13] <SilverCode> anyone here know how to configure Network Up Tools to force a shutdown when it goes on battery, instead of when it gets low battery?
[06:13] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:13] <inetpro> oh and hi to oom Kilos
[06:14] <Kilos> lol hi there inetpro
[06:14] <Kilos> and plustwo
[06:15] <plustwo> mornin all
[06:15] <Kilos> lin you should visit #ubuntu-ke now and again too, poor tribaal is lonesome there
[06:15] <pieter2627> hi plustwo
[06:15] <plustwo> hi pieter2627oom Kilos
[06:18] <Kilos> bad news when the main topic of the day is loadshedding
[06:28] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:31] <Kilos> Symmetria  maybe you can get this link out further than i can https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[06:54] <Squirm> morning
[06:54]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[06:54] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:59]  * Kilos wonders who else would make a good bugsquad canditate
[07:06]  * Jacques_Stry was looking to join the bug squad but still struggling a bit to fix the problems that are on the bugs list
[07:11] <Kilos> there are so many
[07:12] <Kilos> day before yesterday there were still over 1000 on 15.10
[07:12] <Kilos> pieter2627  have you tried using a light weight browser
[07:13] <pieter2627> firefox is lightweight for what i'm doing :P
[07:14] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:14] <Kilos> i dont use the fox at all
[07:14] <pieter2627> i don't really issues when doing normal stuff, just when working hard
[07:15] <Kilos> ok so then dont work hard
[07:15] <pieter2627> i currently rely heavily on its 'tabs group' feature
[07:15] <Kilos> hehe
[07:15] <pieter2627> haha
[07:16] <Kilos> easy does it everytime
[07:17] <pieter2627> am currently downloading kubuntu rc to try it for the next few days
[07:17] <Kilos> kde takes some getting used to but once you are used to it then you dont want to change
[07:24] <Kilos> i think thunderbird is tied into the fox somewhere isnt it
[07:33] <pieter2627> hmm, i think they only share a few things (although i have noticed that fox will stay open after being closed until the bird is closed too)
[07:33] <Kilos> ai!
[07:35] <Kilos> and the stupid bird keeps wanting to compress stuff here but there are like 10 emails only and on a 1TB drive
[07:35] <Kilos> sigh
[07:35] <pieter2627> haha
[07:50] <Kilos> aw he killed it
[08:01] <Kilos> wb pieter2627
[08:01] <Kilos> and R0ok_
[08:05] <Squirm> The joys
[08:05] <Squirm> Stage 2 load shedding
[08:05] <Kilos> ai!
[08:13] <Kilos> hmm... someone was learning python
[08:15] <charl> good morning
[08:15] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:15]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:18] <stickyboy> Great success
[08:18] <Kilos> what now stickyboy
[08:19] <stickyboy> Kilos: Maaz grinding coffee.
[08:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:19] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:19] <charl> Maaz: danke
[08:19] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:19] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:19] <charl> how are you doing
[08:19] <Kilos> good ty and you
[08:19] <charl> good
[08:20] <charl> what's been happening around here, i haven't been around for a while
[08:21] <charl> i took a month hiatus from freenode
[08:21] <Kilos> eish
[08:21] <Kilos> we been working
[08:21] <charl> sounds good
[08:29] <MaNI> death to eskom :/
[08:36] <Kilos> then we will never have power
[08:37] <Kilos> just a good sjambokking could help though
[08:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[08:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't the 80s anymore :-o
[08:43] <Kilos> lol
[08:49] <MaNI> anyone know a solar panel place that sells at reasonable prices? :P
[09:01] <charl> https://www.facebook.com/snowreportsa/photos/a.312313212229373.1073741828.312197008907660/667550900038934/
[09:01] <charl> snow in south africa lol
[09:01] <charl> is this common?
[09:01] <Kilos> in winter ya
[09:01] <Kilos> but a bit early now
[09:01] <charl> indeed
[09:03] <MaNI> its been a bit more common the last 5 years or so
[09:04] <Kilos> blame it on global warming
[09:04] <Kilos> we get the global freezing
[09:04] <charl> yeah i can't remember much snow when i used to live in south africa
[09:04] <charl> it was rare
[09:16] <Kilos> some areas like natal never see snow except on the drakensburg
[09:16] <Kilos> but its moving down lately
[09:26] <MaNI> yeah, cape as well, its usually just the peaks if that, but last 5 years theres been a bit more in lower areas
[09:27] <MaNI> but also these snow report people have been doing a good job of making people aware of it when it does happen I guess, so maybe it's just the media effect at play
[09:28] <magespawn> good morning
[09:28] <Jacques_Stry> MaNI: Try http://www.sustainable.co.za/ for the solar panels
[09:29] <Jacques_Stry> Their prices pretty good I think
[09:30] <MaNI> like R10/watt - http://www.gwstore.co.za/site/info/index.php?type=view_article&id=891 thats the best I've found so far R7/watt
[09:30] <Jacques_Stry> Nice
[09:31] <MaNI> but min order of 25 panels :(
[09:31] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[09:32] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:42] <Kilos> then to work out what inverter you will need too
[09:42] <Kilos> http://www.sustainable.co.za/solar-power/solar-inverters.html
[09:44] <MaNI2> yeah
[09:46] <MaNI2> huge price fluctuation between brands on inverters
[09:50] <Kilos> https://mrzonbu.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/how-much-power-does-your-desktop-pc-use/
[09:50] <Kilos> he says under 175 watts but i dont know if that includes the screen
[09:51] <MaNI> I doubt my desktop pc resembles the average one at all :P
[09:51] <Kilos> ah youve built up your own
[09:51] <Jacques_Stry> lol my home pc uses allot more
[09:52] <Jacques_Stry> when playing games it consumes 400-450w
[09:52] <Kilos> i thinks the 175 watts in box only
[09:52] <Kilos> is
[09:52] <Kilos> havent found what screens use
[09:53] <MaNI> well I have 10 hard drives in it for starters :P
[09:53] <Jacques_Stry> No a standard office pc with 18.5 inch screen uses about 175-200w
[09:53] <MaNI> and yeah I'm sure if your graphics card is in full draw it will pull a much larger load
[09:53] <Kilos> no man the screen runs off ac
[09:53] <Jacques_Stry> thats a pentium duel core with on-board graphics and 4gb ram
[09:53] <Jacques_Stry> We tested is when we got quotes for generators
[09:54] <Kilos> but take it as max of 500w for box then find whats screens use
[09:54] <MaNI> theres a site somewhere where you can put actual components for more realsitic estimate
[09:54] <Jacques_Stry> screen and case used 175-200 in office use
[09:54] <MaNI> its like 30w per harddrive or something
[09:54] <MaNI> but you can use your power supply as an upper limit
[09:55] <MaNI> if its a 400w power supply you can't possibly be using more than 400w etc.
[09:55] <Jacques_Stry> Hard drives are usually about 10-15w per hdd
[09:55] <MaNI> screens are about 170w I think
[09:55] <Kilos> wow so min
[09:56] <Jacques_Stry> Where you  guys getting these figures from >.<
[09:56] <MaNI> less
[09:57] <MaNI> 45w
[09:57] <MaNI> http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-2333sw/specs/
[09:57] <Kilos> https://mrzonbu.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/how-much-power-does-your-desktop-pc-use/
[09:57] <Jacques_Stry> 18.5 uses about 20w if a modern led
[09:57] <Kilos> hehe
[09:57] <MaNI> had 170w in my head but thats probably from old CRTs
[09:57] <Jacques_Stry> http://www.lg.com/ae/monitors/lg-19M35A/technical-specifications
[09:58] <Jacques_Stry> Active power consumption `13w
[09:58] <Kilos> i would have thought the screen uses more
[09:58] <MaNI> its just a fancy light :P
[09:59] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[09:59] <nlsthzn> hey uncle Kilos ...
[10:00] <Kilos> what does the ... mean
[10:00]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[10:01] <MaNI> http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp < can use something like that to get a reasonable estimate for a specific pc
[10:02] <nlsthzn> ... it means ... that I ... pressed the . three times ...
[10:02]  * nlsthzn also waves and also ...
[10:03]  * Jacques_Stry ...
[10:07] <Kilos> hehe
[10:10] <Kilos> sjoe too much rtfs
[10:11] <Kilos> hahaha nlsthzn  i meant does the ... have anything to add to the greeting man
[10:13] <Kilos> like maybe hello and now stop nagging me
[10:13] <Kilos> ek sukkel met my volk partykeer
[10:19] <charl> have a good weekend all
[11:19] <Kilos> i go eat
[12:28] <Kilos> hi spinza  why you been so quiet
[12:28] <Kilos> busy is a feeble excuse
[12:31] <Kilos> unless expanded upon
[12:53] <MaNI> does anyone know any south african companies that sell DC-DC ATX power supplies? like e.g. http://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-12V-500.htm
[13:18] <magespawn> W=V*I
[13:19] <magespawn> Kilos: ^
[13:20] <magespawn> Watts (W) = Volts (V) * Amps (I)
[13:20] <Kilos> ya
[13:21] <magespawn> so on this small screen i have here W = 240V * 1Amp
[13:21] <magespawn> so 240W
[13:21] <Kilos> thats about all i remember from before
[13:21] <magespawn> but that is an old screen
[13:22] <Kilos> where did you get the info
[13:22] <Kilos> and your voltage is 22o
[13:22] <Kilos> ptown is the only place with 240 i think
[13:23] <Kilos> and it is normally 230 and odd bits
[13:23] <Kilos> v=i/r
[13:23] <Squirm> Stick with 220v
[13:24] <magespawn> the screen is rated for 110-240V so in this case the lower your supply the less you will use, ironic
[13:25] <Kilos> lol
[13:26] <magespawn> and i would thing the same applies to most appliances that convert the ac to dc
[13:26] <Kilos> ya
[13:26] <Kilos> ohms law
[13:27] <Kilos> i dont think anyone has found a way to corrupt that yet
[13:37] <Kilos> only energy saving bulbs have some magic in them
[13:39] <Kilos> 15w is as bright as 60w incandescent
[13:39] <Kilos> i think thats the right word
[13:41] <Kilos> oh and microwaves also have magic in them
[13:41] <Kilos> you can shout at an egg all day and nothing happens
[13:42] <Kilos> put the egg in a microwave and see what happens
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: I'm going to spend my weekend shouting at eggs now
[14:23] <Kilos> lol
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> i didn't know you can microwave an egg
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> true story
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> doesn't it explode?
[14:28] <Kilos> it explodes
[14:28] <Kilos> hehe
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> at thought it might
[15:03] <Kilos> hmm... whats broken now
[15:03] <Kilos> hehe
[15:35] <arnaudmez_> Nothing
[15:35] <arnaudmez_> Kilos:
[15:36] <arnaudmez_> have managed to save my evolution mail to mbox format
[15:36] <arnaudmez_> now left, to import them to outlook
[15:37] <Kilos> whew
[15:37] <Kilos> ive just gone to thunderbird mail and its quite good
[15:38] <Kilos> very much lighter than evo
[15:51] <Kilos> wow nlsthzn   you still here, well done
[15:52] <Kilos> nuvolari  maak bietjie tyd die naweek om hier te kuier ook hoor
[16:00] <Kilos> http://linuxpadawan.net/
[16:00] <Kilos> it's a mentoring service for all Linux users.
[16:06] <Kilos> wbb
[16:26] <arnaudmez_> Kilos: yeah you right but I personally don't like THB
[16:26] <Kilos> wb arnaudmez_  whats news
[16:26] <arnaudmez_> The UI doesn't inspire
[16:27] <Kilos> i dont either but i found it is easier to get working with an @ubuntu.com adderss than evo
[16:27] <Kilos> oh you must talk to inetpro  he has it all figured out. one can change lots
[16:28] <arnaudmez_> Yeah
[16:51] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[16:51] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[16:54] <Kilos> all good by you?
[16:55] <georgelappies> good thanks
[16:55] <Kilos> where are you again?
[16:55] <georgelappies> traffic was crazy tonight
[16:55] <Kilos> secunda
[16:56] <georgelappies> no, in Sunninghill
[16:56] <georgelappies> traffic never gets bad in Secunda ;p
[16:56] <Kilos> jozi
[16:56] <Kilos> lol
[16:56] <georgelappies> yeah Jozi
[16:56] <georgelappies> here for a project
[16:56] <Kilos> jozi traffic is always bad
[16:57] <georgelappies> yeah, with load shedding even worse
[16:58] <georgelappies> with no traffic it is a 10 min drive, took me more than an hour tonight
[16:58] <Kilos> but if you are in jozi for a project where did you come from
[16:58] <georgelappies> the worst thing is the aggravation of the fellow motorists
[16:58] <georgelappies> I am based in Secunda
[16:58] <Kilos> ah
[16:59] <georgelappies> working in Sunninghill from Monday to Thursday, but had to work today and tomorrow as well
[16:59] <Kilos> aha
[16:59] <Kilos> well  enjoy it
[16:59] <Kilos> i dont like jozi at all
[16:59] <georgelappies> jozi sucks yeah
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:00] <Kilos> wbb
[17:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:30] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[17:31] <Kilos> see mazal hy moenie sy games werk vergeet nie asb
[17:52] <Kilos> hi SilverCode
[17:53] <Kilos> so inetpro  are you away for the weekend again
[18:58] <Kilos> evening superfly
[18:58] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:07] <Kilos> theblazehen  ping
[19:12] <Kilos> oh my, these young peeps even busy on friday nights
[20:34] <inetpro> good evening
[20:34] <inetpro> oh and hi oom Kilos
[20:34] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[20:34] <inetpro> why up so late?
[20:34] <Kilos> i was caught again today
[20:34] <inetpro> caught?
[20:35] <Kilos> ya man gevang
[21:27] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:12] <Squirm> 'lo
[22:16] <Squirm> fp
[22:16] <Squirm> sp
[22:16] <Squirm> gnight


[04:23] <poolie> i really wish i could set tags and severity when filing a bug
[04:33] <jml> yes
[04:33] <jml> me too
[04:35] <ajmitch> you can set tags when filing
[04:35] <spiv> poolie: I think you may be able to do that via the email interface?
[04:35] <ajmitch> an example of a preloaded tag: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?field.tags=needs-packaging
[04:36] <ajmitch> not particularly UI-friendly in this case :)
[04:36] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug-advanced at least has a field for tags
[04:37] <poolie> ajmitch: you mean i can edit the url by hand?
[04:37] <poolie> uh
[04:37] <poolie> well, thankyou for telling me but ffs that's not very usable
[04:37] <ajmitch> the advanced page has a field for it
[04:37] <ajmitch> but not one for severity
[06:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders!
[06:01] <ajmitch> hi mpt
[06:03] <Nafallo> morning mpt :-)
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #111937 in malone "Assigning bug to someone else, without saying who, produces no warning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111937
[06:44] <mpt> bdmurray, ^^^
[06:44] <mpt> Thanks for letting us know.
[06:50] <bdmurray> mpt: thanks, I wasn't sure if someone had reported it yet
[06:51] <mpt> If in doubt, report it
[06:53] <bdmurray> by the way do know why people.launchpad.net fails the way it does?
[07:20] <mpt> bdmurray, for the same reason fqwhgads.launchpad.net fails the way it does
[07:20] <shirish> guys I have filed a bug upstream & want to link it with the bug I have already filed in launchpad, how do I link the two of them?
[07:20] <shirish> the bug in question is https://bugs.launchpad.net/sabayon/+bug/111775
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111775 in sabayon "sabayon has a very thin man page " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[07:21] <mpt> shirish, click "sabayon" in the Affects table
[07:22] <mpt> then in the "Remote Watch" section, choose the appropriate bugtracker from the menu
[07:22] <mpt> ... and click the radiobutton next to it (ugh)
[07:22] <mpt> and enter the bug number in the field provided
[07:25] <shirish> mpt: aha, that's cool, although this is not intuitive for most people to find out
[07:25] <mpt> I know, it's a continuing problem
[07:26] <shirish> if a bug has to be filed for it, it should be in launchpad right, or somewhere else?
[07:27] <mpt> What do you mean by "it"?
[07:27] <mpt> The sabayon problem?
[07:27] <mpt> Or the problem with Launchpad being unintuitive?
[07:28] <shirish> the latter, the problem with launchpad not being intuitive
[07:28] <shirish> atleast in this aspect of it
[07:28] <mpt> I've just reported part of it, bug 111944
[07:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111944 in malone "URL expected when adding an upstream, but bug number expected when changing an upstream" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111944
[07:28] <mpt> and I'm just about to report another part
[07:28] <shirish> hey cool, I'll just subscribe to it :p
[07:29] <shirish> and the other one, just lemme know the link
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #111942 in malone "Email bombardment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111942
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #111944 in malone "URL expected when adding an upstream, but bug number expected when changing an upstream" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111944
[07:36] <shirish> mpt: malone is built in-house right?
[07:40] <mpt> shirish, bug 111946
[07:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111946 in malone "For non-LP upstream, bug watch should be mutually exclusive with assignee" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111946
[07:41] <mpt> shirish, yes, it's a Canonical production
[07:42] <mpt> Now, are there any other specific problems with what you tried to do, other than those two I reported?
[07:43] <shirish> mpt: nope, that's cool actually as I am on the lp beta tester team also so it was part my thing also, but doesn't matter as far as it gets reported ;)
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #111946 in malone "For non-LP upstream, bug watch should be mutually exclusive with assignee" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111946
[07:46] <shirish> ok guys signing off from here, thanx mpt :)
[08:21] <mpt> huh
[08:21] <mpt> Didn't there used to be a way to turn a question into a bug report?
[08:23] <BjornT_> you can create a bug report from the question and link them together
[08:56] <mpt> oh, I guess the link is not present if the question is already linked to a bug report
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #111956 in malone "Cannot search for identifier containing underscores" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111956
[08:56] <mpt> That's something that isn't as obvious as it could be because of the Actions menu
[09:00] <BjornT_> mpt: btw, how's the fix for making LP usable in Opera again coming along?
[09:02] <mpt> BjornT_, I'll get that done by the end of today
[09:05] <BjornT_> mpt: cool. i'm getting sick of having to start firefox everytime i want to use LP :)
[09:15] <mdke> morning mrevell
[09:15] <mrevell> hey mdke
[09:22] <carlos> morning
[09:26] <mrevell> morning carlos
[09:44] <mdke> wow, good job with openoffice.org
[11:18] <SteveA> mpt: hi
[11:18] <SteveA> mpt: I was looking at the menus in opera, and I noticed the actions portlets in the centre of the page there too
[11:19] <SteveA> mpt: I'm interested to know what causes that, as it may be pertinent to my fixing the menus there
[12:36] <mpt> SteveA, the Opera problem is because while Opera 9 is apparently excluded from a CSS filter that is supposed to target only IE7, Opera 9.2 does end up being targeted
[12:37] <mpt> so the CSS that's meant to correct the layout mistake that IE7 makes, Opera applies too without having made the layout mistake in the first place, so the end result is wrong
[12:37] <mpt> It won't be pertinent to fixing the menus, unfortunately.
[12:38] <SteveA> ok
[12:38] <SteveA> thanks
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #112056 in launchpad "The support tracker shouldn't send out e-mails with urls to beta LP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112056
[01:53] <mpt> That's a duplicate of a Rejected bug, iirc
[01:53] <mpt> (which perhaps shouldn't be Rejected)
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #111800 in sbuild "sbuild attempts to satisfy versioned depencies and fails - causes packages to FTBFS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111800
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #112086 in launchpad "No "attach file" option when submitting bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112086
[03:58] <ddaa> Strange.
[03:58] <ddaa> I always feel a craving for pizza one minute before the meeting.
[03:58] <indraveni> statik, hi
[03:58] <indraveni> statik, how are you
[03:59] <statik> indraveni: excellent! how are you?
[03:59] <statik> indraveni: I believe our weekly launchpad meeting is starting momentarily on this channel
[03:59] <jtv> should be
[04:00] <SteveA> Hello!  Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting.
[04:00] <indraveni> statik, oh great, then I joined in the right time
[04:00] <SteveA> For the next 45 minutes or so, this channel will be devoted to talking about ongoing launchpad development.
[04:00] <SteveA> who is here todya?
[04:00] <statik> me
[04:00] <matsubara> me
[04:00] <allenap> me
[04:00] <sinzui> me
[04:00] <jtv> me
[04:00] <bac_afk> me
[04:00] <barry> me
[04:00] <ddaa> me
[04:00] <salgado> me
[04:00] <jamesh> me
[04:00] <flacoste> me
[04:00] <mwhudson> me
[04:00] <mthaddon> me
[04:00] <mpt> me
[04:01] <ddaa> got sentences from jml+thumper
[04:01] <BjornT_> me
[04:01] <kiko> oi
[04:01] <indraveni> me
[04:01] <SteveA> hi indraveni.  welcome.
[04:02] <indraveni> SteveA, thankyou :)
[04:02] <SteveA> JonathanK: welcome!
[04:02] <kiko> SteveA, bigjools and cprov are with me.
[04:02] <SteveA> JonathanK will be working on the blueprint tracker, starting in a few weeks.  Right now, he's helping out on various other parts of Launchpad to learn how it all works.
[04:02] <kiko> we are in a meeting with mdz
[04:02] <kiko> so bear with us :-/
[04:02] <SteveA> ok
[04:03] <schwuk> me
[04:03] <SteveA> launchpad developers: did you get the email about activity reports and "three team sentences" for this meeting?
[04:03] <SteveA> quite poll: please say either "got it" or "what email?"
[04:03] <SteveA> got it
[04:03] <statik> SteveA: got it
[04:03] <schwuk> got it
[04:03] <salgado> got it
[04:03] <mpt> got it
[04:03] <barry> got it
[04:03] <bac> got it
[04:03] <sinzui> got it
[04:03] <mwhudson> got it (via thumper)
[04:03] <jamesh> got it
[04:03] <jtv> got it
[04:03] <flacoste> got it
[04:03] <matsubara> got it
[04:03] <allenap> got it
[04:03] <BjornT_> got it
[04:03] <mthaddon> got it
[04:03] <carlos> got it
[04:03] <ddaa> got it (thx to jml for pointing me to it)
[04:03] <carlos> and me... O:-)
[04:04] <bigjools> got it
[04:04] <SteveA> great
[04:04] <schwuk> SteveA: I've also got mrevell's update for you
[04:04] <SteveA> thanks
[04:04] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Bug report (Joey - [wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:04] <SteveA> ----
[04:04] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Launchpad buzz report (mrevell)
[04:04] <SteveA>  * TestsStyleGuide (flacoste)
[04:04] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[04:04] <SteveA> ----
[04:04] <SteveA>  * Team three sentences
[04:05] <SteveA>
[04:05] <SteveA> next meeting -- same time next week
[04:06] <BjornT_> i will be at uds next  week
[04:06] <SteveA> I guess some people will be travelling or at meetings
[04:07] <SteveA> anyone else?
[04:07] <SteveA> * Actions from last meeting
[04:07] <SteveA> no actions
[04:07] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:07] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 97245, 92164
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97245 in launchpad "Clicking "Back to team" button on +join page for restricted team results in UnexpectedFormData" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97245 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:07] <ubotu> Bug 92164 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/92164 is private
[04:07] <matsubara> salgado, any news on a fix for bug 97245? It's the top UFD exception.
[04:07] <matsubara> OOPS-487C1064 shows that bug 92164 is still triggered. SteveA or jamesh, could
[04:07] <matsubara> you take a look? I have other oops as examples, all of them in the +newaccount
[04:07] <matsubara> page.
[04:07] <ubotu> Bug 92164 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/92164 is private
[04:07] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/487C1064
[04:08] <kiko> matsubara, I spoke to gavin about the bug tracker oopses that are going on
[04:08] <jamesh> matsubara: fix for new OOPS reports is committed, and on the proposed cherry picks list
[04:08] <kiko> matsubara, he put up this page on them: https://launchpad.canonical.com/GavinPanella/Bug81014
[04:08] <SteveA> jamesh: see bug report please
[04:08] <salgado> matsubara, I didn't see it got assigned to me
[04:08] <SteveA> jamesh: I don't want to mark that bug fixed until we have removed the vulnerability from the data
[04:08] <allenap> kiko, matsubara: wrong page, try https://launchpad.canonical.com/GavinPanella/Notes instead :)
[04:09] <matsubara> kiko: the sourcepackage one?
[04:09] <matsubara> the KeyError on sourcepackagename I mean
[04:09] <kiko> matsubara, garr, what allenap said
[04:09] <kiko> yes
[04:09] <kiko> yes to both
[04:09] <SteveA> jamesh: I'm talking about a different bug :-)
[04:09] <SteveA> jamesh: sorry
[04:09] <matsubara> kiko: ok, that's on my list to check
[04:10] <jamesh> SteveA: actually, I think I'm talking about the same bug as you
[04:10] <matsubara> SteveA, jamesh: yes, you're talking about the same bug, but that's #90384 which jamesh just landed
[04:10] <kiko> matsubara, I already spoke to him about them -- I've asked for fixes and cherry-picks
[04:10] <matsubara> thanks kiko.
[04:10] <kiko> jamesh, can you talk to allenap about the URI issue there?
[04:10] <matsubara> and thanks allenap
[04:11] <allenap> matsubara: np :)
[04:12] <matsubara> SteveA: the one I mentioned now is about the WSGI bug
[04:12] <SteveA> matsubara: about OOPS-487C1064, looks to me like the code fixing it hasn't been rolled out.  at least, that would be my first guess.
[04:12] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/487C1064
[04:12] <jamesh> kiko: sure.  After the meeting?
[04:12] <kiko> jamesh, please -- it's an oopser and an interesting one at that, and it has to do with the URI class.
[04:13] <matsubara> SteveA, it has, we're running r4182 since monday and that one was fixed on 4168 IIRC
[04:14] <kiko> matsubara, and no cherrypick? I requested a few but am not sure if 4168 was included
[04:14] <SteveA> jamesh: I guess that we have a new request, but the original wsgi environment :-(
[04:14] <matsubara> I'll add the new oops that happened since the rollout to the report and maybe you (jamesh and SteveA) could followup from there.
[04:14] <allenap> jamesh: after the meeting I'll update my notes with the discussion kiko and I had
[04:14] <mthaddon> kiko: https://launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadProductionStatus
[04:15] <kiko> allenap, grab jamesh before he disappears into australia. :)
[04:15] <matsubara> kiko: ? 4182 should include 4168
[04:15] <SteveA> jamesh: perhaps on a retry we get a cloned request, not the original one
[04:15] <kiko> doh
[04:15] <kiko> DOH
[04:15] <jamesh> SteveA: yeah.  HTTPRequest.retry() does create a new request.
[04:15] <SteveA> jamesh: in which case we need to look at the added keys when cloning a request, and note in the clone that the keys were validly added
[04:16] <jamesh> SteveA: we could probably preserve the list of keys we set previously though.
[04:16] <jamesh> yes.
[04:16] <matsubara> cool, that sounds like a plan. thanks jamesh and SteveA
[04:16] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done with the oops report and will follow on with the bug report from joey
[04:17] <SteveA> thanks
[04:17] <matsubara>  * Bug report
[04:17] <matsubara> congrats to jml and mthaddon for merging Bug #92484
[04:17] <matsubara> congrats to cprov for fixing Bug #52707 and Bug #107068
[04:17] <matsubara> congrats to danilo for fixing Bug #91089
[04:17] <matsubara> congrats to jamesh for fixing Bug #90384
[04:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92484 in launchpad-bazaar "Support for Branch Format 6" [Critical,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92484 - Assigned to Jonathan Lange (jml)
[04:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 52707 in soyuz "please propagate -security uploads to -updates" [Critical,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52707 - Assigned to JulianEdwards (julian-edwards)
[04:17] <ubotu> Bug 107068 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/107068 is private
[04:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91089 in rosetta "Email address can be viewed by users who are not logged in" [Critical,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91089 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:17] <ubotu> Bug 90384 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90384 is private
[04:17] <matsubara> Bug #30602 - kiko - 2006-02-06 - Rosetta, Critical, in progress - Lots of
[04:17] <matsubara> OOPSes. kiko, delayed by sprinting?
[04:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[04:17] <matsubara> Bug #46982 - danilo - 2006-05-27 - Rosetta, Critical, not started -
[04:17] <matsubara> Infrastructure issues - Blocked on Firefox import. danilo, there is still a
[04:17] <matsubara> delay here I presume since it hasn't landed yet. Correct?
[04:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[04:17] <kiko> matsubara, yes, and I think we should bump that down to high.
[04:18] <carlos> kiko: really, could we take over that bug?
[04:18] <matsubara> danilo is on vacation, carlos do you have any status from him about it?
[04:18] <kiko> carlos, no, you should open gutsy. :)
[04:18] <carlos> matsubara: yeah, it's still delayed also, I moved it to High
[04:18] <matsubara> Bug #107912, first reported on 2007-04-19, (Private), mthaddon - Critical, not
[04:18] <matsubara> started. mthaddon, if I am correct, this is actually started as I saw an RT
[04:18] <matsubara> request enabling the solution. Can you update the bug to reflect that status
[04:18] <matsubara> please?
[04:18] <ubotu> Bug 107912 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/107912 is private
[04:18] <carlos> kiko: I mean, after Gutsy
[04:18] <carlos> kiko: :-)
[04:19] <kiko> carlos, we'll see when we get there. :)
[04:19] <carlos> kiko: ok
[04:19] <matsubara> thanks carlos and kiko
[04:19] <matsubara> Bug #109652, first reported on 2007-04-24, Answers, flacoste - Critical, not
[04:19] <matsubara> started. flacoste, I know we've taken some temporary steps to halt abuse in
[04:19] <matsubara> production. Is there a plan on the longer term fix?
[04:19] <matsubara> Bjorn, bug #109652 has a malone bug task, should it be critical as well?
[04:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109652 in launchpad-answers "Non-admin team member can make the team a bug/answer contact" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109652 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[04:19] <matsubara> Bug #111429, first reported on 2007-05-01, Launchpad, mpt - Critical. not
[04:19] <matsubara> started. Probably introduced by the 1.0 rollout..
[04:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111429 in launchpad "Launchpad left hand menus (actions box and others) floating in the middle of the page in Opera 9.20" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111429 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[04:19] <flacoste> matsubara: fix should be completed today
[04:19] <mthaddon> matsubara: have an RT request to begin the first stage of bug 107912
[04:19] <ubotu> Bug 107912 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/107912 is private
[04:20] <matsubara> thanks flacoste
[04:20] <BjornT_> matsubara: i don't think the malone task should be critical. only certain people are allowed to set the bug contact for a distribution or product.
[04:20] <mpt> matsubara, I'll have that fixed by the end of the day
[04:21] <matsubara> Bug #112 - jtv - 2005-01-31 - Rosetta, High, confirmed - Promoted to high
[04:21] <matsubara> priority last September. jtv, I see you've resurrected Dafydd's spec. Any
[04:21] <matsubara> progress here?
[04:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112 in rosetta "Search for packages per language" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112 - Assigned to Jeroen T. Vermeulen (jtv)
[04:21] <jtv> No, that's been shelved for the higher-priority Gutsy work.
[04:22] <matsubara> right, thanks everyone for the status reports and for fixing everything so promptly
[04:22] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done, thank you
[04:22] <kiko> matsubara, by gutsy work we really mean "preparing rosetta for dealing with new distroreleases without excessive effort".
[04:22] <SteveA> thanks matsubara
[04:22] <kiko> right jtv?
[04:22] <kiko> :)
[04:22] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:22] <jtv> kiko: err..  sure!
[04:22] <SteveA> no new bug tags were proposed by anyone
[04:22] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[04:22] <SteveA> mthaddon: anything to report?
[04:22] <kiko> jtv, I mean you are the process police last I heard
[04:23] <mthaddon> SteveA: not much apart from a few rollouts - I see there's a cherry pick for today and also expecting one more, I think
[04:23] <mthaddon> SteveA: for yesterday's cowboy fix
[04:24] <SteveA> we still have edge shut down
[04:24] <ddaa> mthaddon: will add cherrypick request, fell through the cracks.
[04:24] <SteveA> to wait until flacoste's proper fix has landed
[04:24] <SteveA> then we can run edge again
[04:24] <SteveA> when it has that code on it
[04:24] <mthaddon> ddaa: is this related to yesterday's issue, or another one?
[04:25] <ddaa> mthaddon: another, email-related branch-scanner oopses
[04:25] <mthaddon> ddaa: ok, cool
[04:26] <mthaddon> SteveA: besides that just waiting on an RT request to be able to test Apache load balancer
[04:26] <mthaddon> need a host entry set up..
[04:26] <SteveA> ok
[04:26] <mthaddon> other than that, I think that's it
[04:27] <SteveA> in a future meeting, we can look at splitting this section into production+staging dealing with deployment, cherrypicks etc.
[04:27] <SteveA> and a DBA report from stub
[04:27] <SteveA> thanks mthaddon
[04:27] <mthaddon> np
[04:27] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests ([wiki:JoeyStanford/toprtrequests Current Queue] )
[04:27] <mpt> 27840, the brilliant certificate
[04:27] <matsubara> SteveA: RT 27799 rsync OOPS from potassium to devpad
[04:28] <mwhudson> ah, i have two rts open: #27843, #27844
[04:28] <mwhudson> (which i may not have filed quite properly)
[04:29] <mwhudson> about getting superpowers necessary to help ddaa with code imports
[04:29] <SteveA> ok
[04:29] <SteveA> any more?
[04:30] <ddaa> mh... filed two RT last week which got promptly fixed
[04:30] <SteveA> that's great
[04:30] <ddaa> should I report them post-facto?
[04:30] <mthaddon> ddaa: you obviously have the magic touch
[04:30] <SteveA> ddaa: no
[04:30] <SteveA> ok, thanks
[04:30] <jtv> ddaa: doesn't "post" take the accusative?
[04:31] <SteveA> I'll see what I can do about the RT requests
[04:31] <kiko> I think jtv and ddaa will now go into an infinite loop
[04:31] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:31] <SteveA> with schwuk standing in, right?
[04:31] <schwuk> These issues were taken from yesterday's Launchpad users' meeting.
[04:31] <ddaa> jtv: you say post-it, don't you?
[04:31] <schwuk> popey mentioned bug 111751, in relation to the issue of people who
[04:31] <schwuk> ask a question but don't mark it as "Solved".
[04:31] <schwuk> He suggests that support contacts - or some other group of trusted
[04:31] <schwuk> people - should be able to close resolved support requests.
[04:31] <schwuk> He and flacoste began a discussion about this.
[04:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111751 in launchpad-answers "Allow 'official' answer contacts to 'Change status' of a question" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111751
[04:31] <schwuk> Another issue comes from Jordi Mallach. He asks, "What's with 1.0's huge
[04:31] <schwuk> emblem icons. ie, now there's loads of user profiles with emblems
[04:31] <schwuk> horribly stretched".
[04:31] <schwuk> popey suggested that we do a one-off imagemagick job to convert old
[04:31] <schwuk> images to the right size by padding them with white space.
[04:31] <jtv> ddaa: and "it" isn't 4th-case there..?
[04:33] <popey> where "old" means "any image that isn't of the exact dimensions required by launchpad"
[04:33] <SteveA> hmm
[04:33] <SteveA> I'd expect questions to kinda age
[04:33] <popey> only required once because all new images are forced to be the right size aren't they?
[04:33] <SteveA> so, if I submit a question, it gets closed out after 3 months
[04:34] <mpt> agreed
[04:34] <schwuk> Seems sensible
[04:34] <jtv> Would it be enough to send an automatic reminder--"has your question been answered?"
[04:34] <SteveA> but I get a reminder email saying "if this is still current, you have 2 weeks to go to this address and say so"
[04:34] <flacoste> SteveA: that's all done now
[04:34] <schwuk> If not closed, then certainly moth-balled
[04:34] <SteveA> flacoste: way awseomer!
[04:34] <flacoste> Open and Needs info questions are expired after two weeks without activity and a notification is sent
[04:35] <SteveA> popey: I'mm looking into the images issue
[04:35] <popey> ok
[04:35] <SteveA> popey: thanks for bringing it up
[04:35] <popey> np
[04:35] <SteveA> schwuk: all done?
[04:36] <schwuk> for user issues, yes
[04:36] <SteveA> what else do you have from mrevell?
[04:36] <schwuk> He's posted this week's buzz report to the mailing list.
[04:36] <SteveA> right
[04:36] <schwuk> I've also got his three sentences for the marketing 'team'
[04:36] <SteveA> anything else?
[04:36] <schwuk> nope
[04:37] <SteveA> ok, thanks !
[04:37] <SteveA>  * TestsStyleGuide (flacoste)
[04:37] <flacoste> A TestsStyleGuide was written which contains guidelines that reviewers will expect you to follow in your tests (doctests, unittests, and pagetests).
[04:37] <flacoste> Make sure to read it.
[04:37] <flacoste> or, quick poll, say read it, if you have read it, not read it otherwise
[04:38] <carlos> flacoste: thanks for that guide
[04:38] <ddaa> reddit
[04:38] <barry> read it
[04:38] <mpt> digg
[04:38] <carlos> read it
[04:38] <salgado> read it
[04:38] <bac> read it
[04:38] <mpt> not read it
[04:38] <allenap> read it
[04:38] <BjornT_> read it
[04:38] <mwhudson> not read it
[04:38] <SteveA> not read it
[04:38] <jtv> not read it
[04:38] <sinzui> read it
[04:38] <matsubara> not read it
[04:38] <statik> read it
[04:38] <jamesh> not read it
[04:38] <ddaa> read it
[04:38] <schwuk> reading it
[04:38] <SteveA> flacoste: please keep it on the agenda to ask next week, checking that everyone has read it
[04:39] <mwhudson> where _is_ it?  on the wiki?
[04:39] <flacoste> SteveA: will do
[04:39] <flacoste> mwhudson: https://launchpad.canonical.com/TestsStyleGuide
[04:39] <mwhudson> ta
[04:39] <ddaa> flacoste: like it, it's good stuff. Hopefully in a year or so that will have improved the quality of our tests.
[04:40] <flacoste> ddaa: tanks! I hope the same
[04:41] <SteveA>  * Team three sentences
[04:41] <SteveA> TEAM: management
[04:41] <SteveA> DONE: release planning, some interviews, 1.0 release, line management
[04:41] <SteveA> TODO: release release plan (urgent), UDS, UI and Single Sign On
[04:41] <SteveA> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <salgado> TEAM: salgado's on his own (not for too long, he hopes)
[04:42] <salgado> DONE: some code review and lots of shipit work
[04:42] <salgado> TODO: some shipit, code review and team membership bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/53637, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/70519
[04:42] <salgado> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53637 in launchpad "Adding team 'Foo' as a member of team 'Bar' should require confirmation from one of the administrators of 'Foo'" [High,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:42] <jtv> TEAM: Rosetta
[04:42] <jtv> TODO: Open Gutsy for translation
[04:42] <jtv> DONE: Last-minute work for 1.0, good progress on Gutsy
[04:42] <jtv> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <flacoste> TEAM: answer-tracker
[04:42] <flacoste> DONE: 1.0 bug fixes, show supported languages when asking question, work on new form API
[04:42] <flacoste> TODO: preferred-languages-only answer contacts, write specs, complete fix for bug 109652
[04:42] <flacoste> BLOCKED: waiting on AnswerSpec feedback from, at least, kiko and mpt
[04:42] <matsubara> TEAM: QA
[04:42] <BjornT_> TEAM: bug tracker
[04:42] <matsubara> DONE: triage, oops report checking, fixed small bugs for the 1.0 release
[04:42] <matsubara> TODO: more of the same, followup on oops fixes, bug report fixes and catch up with activity report to joey
[04:42] <matsubara> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <BjornT_> DONE: got abel and schwuk started. last-minute 1.0 fixes. fixed bug 103364.
[04:42] <BjornT_> TODO: finish up lp-closing-bugs-via-changelogs. fix bug 106984 and various other bugs. attend UDS.
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109652 in launchpad-answers "Non-admin team member can make the team a bug/answer contact" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109652 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103364 in malone "Global filebug form crashes if you first choose a distribution and later a project." [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103364 - Assigned to Gavin Panella (allenap)
[04:42] <ubotu> Bug 106984 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/106984 is private
[04:42] <BjornT_> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <mthaddon> TEAM: SysAdmin
[04:42] <barry> TEAM: team mailing lists
[04:42] <barry> DONE: landed testsuiterepair branch, trying to land mmbuild branch, phase2 spec completed, awaiting review, phase3 spec in progress
[04:42] <barry> TODO: complete phase3 spec, get db changes approved, review spec, get lp mailman branch updated and branched into sourcecode.
[04:42] <barry> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <jamesh> DONE: code review, LP security stuff, some pending-reviews page updates
[04:42] <jamesh> TODO: code review, fix 92164 properly, storm support
[04:42] <jamesh> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <ddaa> TEAM: launchpad-bazaar Antipodeans
[04:42] <ddaa> DONE: Organizing NZ sprint, supermirror fixes, private branches, spec out smartserver on supermirror, hide emails on bug page
[04:42] <ddaa> TODO: Work on private branches, get smart server running on supermirror
[04:42] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <schwuk> TEAM: marketing
[04:42] <mthaddon> DONE: Learning about rollout
[04:42] <schwuk> DONE: general user communication, Launchpad tour changes, release notes,
[04:42] <schwuk> user meeting.
[04:42] <schwuk> TODO: mentorship PR, TurboCASH, chase the blog problems, plan a
[04:42] <schwuk> Launchpad podcast.
[04:42] <schwuk> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <statik> TEAM: LPCOMM
[04:42] <statik> DONE: Prototype of user-oriented uptime monitoring in place, completed code and submitted FileDownloads feature for review, helping JonathanK get started, talking to Google about bug 78395, pyax moved to launchpad, reviewed branch-pull cronscript as an example of how to do periodic updates of launchpad DB, reviewer training, reviews, met with schwuk to discuss hwdb.
[04:42] <statik> TODO: Catch up on backlog of customer email, complete lp-comm month-one goals, lp-comm/salesforce integration, move ahead with LP health monitoring.
[04:42] <statik> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78395 in malone "Support Google Code's issue tracker" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78395
[04:42] <mthaddon> TODO: Cherry picks, load balancer
[04:42] <ddaa> TEAM: launchpad-bazaar Europeans
[04:42] <ddaa> DONE: increased branch mirroring frequency, landed importd oops support, landed branch-scanner oops fix, first trivial landing from mwhudson.
[04:42] <ddaa> TODO: fix importd oops support, remove hct/sourcerer deps from launchpad, review cscvs patch from cjwatson, teach mwhudson how to poke importd innards.
[04:42] <ddaa> BLOCKED: RTs
[04:42] <mpt> DONE: more performance review, bug page work, bug fixing
[04:42] <mpt> TODO: Opera fix, finish the dang bug page, other bug fixes
[04:42] <mpt> BLOCKED: no
[04:42] <mthaddon> BLOCKED: some RT requests
[04:43] <SteveA> thanks!
[04:43] <SteveA> I want to make a few changes to the team reports
[04:43] <SteveA> mthaddon, matsubara: please get together with stub and do a joint "production/qa/dba" report
[04:43] <SteveA> for next week
[04:43] <mthaddon> will do
[04:43] <matsubara> SteveA: roger that
[04:44] <indraveni> statik, sorry for disturbance, are you receivng my messages in private messging?
[04:44] <SteveA> mpt, jamesh: we'll need to think about how you do this reporting
[04:45] <statik> indraveni: sorry, I am not. probably you need to register your nick on freenode
[04:45] <jamesh> indraveni: by default, freenode blocks private messages from users not identified to nickserv
[04:45] <indraveni> statik, I registered
[04:45] <SteveA> ok, that's it.  thanks for putting together the team three sentences.  and thanks for a smooth meeting.
[04:45] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:46] <jtv> SteveA: you sneak.  You told us it'd be "team three sentences" and then you went and added a sentence.
[04:47] <indraveni> statik, jamesh my name is already registered
[04:47] <indraveni> anyway, as the meeting ended, I think I can proceed here
[04:47] <jamesh> indraveni: have you identified to services?
[04:48] <indraveni> jamesh, how to do that?
[04:48] <jamesh> indraveni: "/msg NickServ identify <password>"
[04:48] <jamesh> indraveni: or set up your IRC client to use your nickserv password as the server password
[04:48] <SteveA> jtv: I did?
[04:49] <jtv> SteveA: yup.  TEAM, DONE, TODO, BLOCKED.  Four.
[04:49] <statik> indraveni: having your nick registered is useful. It's fine to proceed on this channel now
[04:49] <SteveA> TEAM isn't a sentence
[04:49] <SteveA> sentences need a verb
[04:49] <jtv> SteveA: "BLOCKED: no"...?
[04:50] <SteveA> "no" is short for "is not blocked"
[04:50] <statik> indraveni: excellent, I'm getting your messages now
[04:50] <jtv> "Team" can be a verb.  They taught me that in IBM: Win, Execute, Team
[04:50] <SteveA> translate it into gaelic
[04:50] <SteveA> and you'll find that "no" becomes a verb
[04:50] <bigjools> gaelic?!
[04:50] <mpt> Win Execute Team? How Wet
[04:50] <jtv> SteveA: My Gaelic's a bit rusty
[04:50] <SteveA> I don't like the sound of "execute team"
[04:50] <jtv> mpt: yes, that's what they called it.
[04:51] <jtv> SteveA: Exactly.  See how important it is that Team is a verb?
[04:51] <SteveA> in gaelic, there is no word for "no".  or for "yes"
[04:51] <jtv> SteveA: nor in Latin, btw.
[04:51] <SteveA> so, you need to say the verb or negate the verb.
[04:51] <SteveA> "are you blocked?"
[04:51] <SteveA> "blocked."
[04:51] <SteveA> "not blocked."
[04:52] <SteveA> all future meetings will be conducted in gaelic.
[04:52] <jtv> You make it sound like a digestive thing, but apart from that, it's not that different from what you do in Thai :-)
[04:52] <SteveA> for clarity.
[04:52] <SteveA> you even added the thai smiley.  awesome!
[04:52] <jtv> SteveA: Actually Thai smileys are quite similar to Western ones--clearly Indo-European.
[04:52] <SteveA> everyone smiled at me when I was in thailand.
[04:53] <jtv> Except you can use "555" as a smiley
[04:53] <jtv> (5 is pronounced "ha", much like in Cantonese IIRC)
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112099 in launchpad "Launchpad test overvrite data in Blueprints" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112099
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #112109 in launchpad "Returning 200 Ok instead of 200 OK" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112109
[07:11] <bd_> The simple bug report form seems to be timing out...
[07:44] <BFTD> some*
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112138 in launchpad "'Simple' bug-reporting form times out" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112138
[09:40] <docwhat> Hello!
[09:40] <docwhat> How do I find bugs that I have submitted?  I tried the obvious, and went to the home page and clicked on bugs.
[09:41] <salgado> docwhat, go to your personal page (there's a link to it on the top right corner) and click on the 'Bugs' tab. there you should see all bugs related to you
[09:41] <docwhat> Ah....
[09:41] <salgado> if you want only the ones you submitted, there's a 'Reported bugs' link there
[09:41] <docwhat> not terribly obvious. :-/
[09:42] <docwhat> I'll think about it and see if I can suggest a better way. :-)
[09:42] <salgado> cool!
[09:43] <docwhat> salgado: Thanks! ^_^
[09:47] <shirish>  guys I have put up a bug 112172 can somebody take a look-see & tell whether it should be in launchpad or malone?
[09:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112172 in launchpad "Absence of WYSIWYG toolbar everywhere" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112172
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #112172 in launchpad "Absence of WYSIWYG toolbar everywhere" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112172
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #112181 in malone "the front page doesn't show teams" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112181


[00:13] <Slappy> Hey arraybolt3 or anyone else here, I have an idea for how to try to resolve the issue I'm working on, but I'm not sure if it's possible. So I CAN access my NAS server directly from the Thunar file manager right? I was thinking, in DAZ, it does also list the root file directory as options. Where, inside the root file directory, might I find the
[00:13] <Slappy> network part in Thunar that actually currently is connected to my NAS?
[00:16] <Slappy> So here's what I mean. The routepath in Thunar is smb://truenas.local/ So if I could figure out how to route from / to there, I might be able to do it directly. Any ideas?
[00:18] <Slappy> Sorry, File manager, not Thunar, my mistake
[00:18] <Slappy> Replace thunar with file manager in the question I asked


[13:36] <hetii> Hello :)
[13:37] <hetii> Q: is it possible by upstart to display some message that will come from post-start script ?


[10:52] <ev> cjwatson: thanks for fixing my retranslation bug
[10:52] <ev> r3920, that is
[10:53] <cjwatson> s'ok, was just looking for easy crash bugs to hoover up
[12:16] <happyaron> hi, could you have a look at this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/523789
[12:21] <cjwatson> happyaron: in future, please attach logs as separate files, it's easier for us
[12:23] <cjwatson> happyaron: looks like a consequence of bug 527641, which is fixed.  please try to reproduce with a current daily build
[12:25] <happyaron> cjwatson: oh thanks.
[12:26] <cjwatson> happyaron: heh, of course, the current daily doesn
[12:26] <cjwatson> 't have Chinese language packs on the CD
[12:27] <cjwatson> so you probably won't be able to tell.  In your logs, it tried to download them and failed
[12:28] <happyaron> cjwatson: but when you log out and select zh_CN at gdm, it will display in zh_CN
[12:28] <happyaron> cjwatson: I mean the bug is that the installer does not use the language pack that is already in the CD
[12:29] <cjwatson> happyaron: you misunderstand me
[12:30] <happyaron> ?
[12:30] <cjwatson> happyaron: the CD you were previously testing may have had Chinese language packs on it - but the *current daily build* does not
[12:30] <happyaron> oh
[12:30] <happyaron> see it
[12:30] <cjwatson> and as a result, you won't be able to tell whether or not this bug is fixed :(
[12:31] <happyaron> cjwatson: let me ask pitti soon about this issue, he told it will be included
[12:31] <cjwatson> langpacks are often dropped due to CD space constraints
[12:31] <cjwatson> pitti added the Chinese langpacks, and then had to remove them again later
[12:31] <cjwatson> this sort of thing always fluctuates throughout the release
[12:32] <happyaron> oh
[12:32] <cjwatson> it's not a bug in itself, we just can't physically fit everything in, and we try to prioritise as best we can but some people are always bound to lose out
[12:32] <happyaron> yes
[12:32] <cjwatson> looking at the current list, it should be testable with Spanish or Portuguese
[12:33] <cjwatson> or with German or Bengali on i386 onoly
[12:33] <cjwatson> only
[12:33] <happyaron> oh, my arch is amd64, and install with harddisk
[12:33] <cjwatson> is that "install to hard disk"?
[12:34] <cjwatson> (I'm sure my Chinese is much worse than your English - I just want to make sure I know what you mean)
[12:34] <happyaron> no
[12:34] <happyaron> I put the iso on hard disk
[12:34] <cjwatson> oh, that's not supported anyway *shrug*
[12:34] <cjwatson> if it works, you got lucky
[12:34] <happyaron> and use grub's function to load it.
[12:34] <happyaron> the installation works
[12:34] <cjwatson> like I say - you got lucky.  we may break that in the future.
[12:34] <happyaron> heh
[12:35] <cjwatson> the reason it's not supported is that having anything mounted off the hard disk means that the partitioner may have trouble in some cases
[12:35] <cjwatson> not in all cases, which is presumably why you got lucky
[12:35] <happyaron> oh
[12:35] <cjwatson> but we don't promise that this installation method will work
[12:35] <happyaron> I used umount -l /isodevice
[12:35] <cjwatson> doesn't matter
[12:35] <happyaron> and LiveCD can work
[12:35] <happyaron> but alternate cannot
[12:36] <cjwatson> if it works, good for you, if not, please don't complain :)
[12:36] <happyaron> yes I know
[12:36] <cjwatson> anyway, *probably* not really relevant to this bug as such
[12:36] <happyaron> yes
[13:04] <CIA-3> console-setup: cjwatson * r137 ubuntu/ (Keyboard/KeyboardNames.pl debian/changelog): releasing version 1.34ubuntu11
[18:55] <persia> I'm trying to install lucid server on a machine that requires EFI, using LVM, and it seems to skip setting up physical volumes for my volume group.  Does anyone have suggestions on how to investigate this?
[19:10]  * persia stops hunting and just formats the disk manually.
[19:39] <cjwatson> persia: no reason why that should be the case AFAIK; I would've started by putting 'set -x' in /lib/partman/lib/lvm-base.sh to dump out a full trace
[19:40] <persia> cjwatson: I'll try that, since I failed utterly at manual partitioning (no GPT support in fdisk, no parted available in default server install environment).
[19:40] <cjwatson> the only thing I can think of is that maybe VALID_FLAGS doesn't say lvm on gpT
[19:40] <cjwatson> GPT
[19:40] <cjwatson> even just /var/log/partman ought to expose that if that's the case
[19:40] <cjwatson> no parted available> anna-install parted-udeb
[19:40] <persia> But I'm currently finding kernel errors reading the partition table, and am trying to figure out if GPT is even supported by the -server kernel.
[19:41] <cjwatson> that might be another known parted issue ...
[19:42] <cjwatson> debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu:1018:CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y
[19:42] <cjwatson> so all Ubuntu kernels should support GPT
[19:43] <cjwatson> my VALID_FLAGS hypothesis looks wrong
[19:47] <persia> anna-install worked great.  Since I first failed, I also tried a completly automated partitioning (guided, use whole disk), which also failed.  Would it be useful for me to start over again from scratch, attempt the LVM format, and file a bug with the logs?
[19:47] <cjwatson> yes please
[19:47] <cjwatson> it's interesting that plain whole-disk partitioning failed
[19:47] <cjwatson> it *might* be easier to debug that first
[19:48] <persia> OK.  I'll start with that case.
[19:48] <persia> Would it be useful for me to leave this machine uninstalled for now, and be a test case for you during the week?
[19:48] <cjwatson> if it's feasible for you to do so, yes
[19:48] <cjwatson> if there's a possibility that GPT is Just Broken, I want to stomp on that quickly
[19:49] <persia> Certainly.  It's a remote build server that I wanted to use to reduce load on my laptop, but it can wait for a few days.
[19:50] <cjwatson> were you selecting GPT manually in any way?
[19:50] <persia> No.  The disk came that way.
[19:52] <persia> Just to make sure I'm preparing good logs.  Once I get the error page ("Failed to create a file system"), do I just extract /var/log/parted and /var/log/syslog, or do I need to go back to the main menu first?
[19:53] <cjwatson> go back to the main menu first
[19:53] <persia> Thanks.
[19:53] <cjwatson> (and /var/log/part*man*, fwiw)
[19:54] <persia> Sorry.  I get a little sloppy at 5am.
[19:54]  * cjwatson tries a quick GPT install
[19:55] <cjwatson> bit tedious since if the "natural" format for the disk is MBR then you have to use expert mode
[19:56] <cjwatson> hmm.  thinking about it it's a bit silly that we force the biosgrub partition to be aligned
[19:56] <cjwatson> (don't mind me, just thinking out loud)
[19:57] <persia> Is that why I had all those strange <1MB bits of free space?
[19:59] <cjwatson> oh, those are showing up as free space?  we should suppress those somehow
[19:59] <cjwatson> maybe align the ends of new partitions too
[20:01] <cjwatson> actually it's odd that that didn't happen already
[20:01] <cjwatson> hopefully the logs will elucidate
[20:02] <persia> I just hope I didn't mess something up by fiddling with it previously.
[20:02] <cjwatson> we align to 1MiB boundaries a lot of the time now, because that's what various other things are coming to require, and it makes sure that we don't radically degrade performance when moved from disk to disk
[20:02] <cjwatson> with different topologies
[20:03] <persia> This makes sense, but the small bits look messy.  We should hide those, if we can.
[20:04] <cjwatson> we shouldn't actually end up with small bits, in general
[20:04] <cjwatson> if we align both start and end (which I thought we did, looking at the code), they should match up
[20:04] <cjwatson> anyway, will look at logs
[20:04] <persia> It's bug #538536
[20:05] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[20:05] <persia> The leftover bits might have been because I tried to leave the original EFI partition alone.
[20:05] <persia> I'll just shut the machine down: let me know if you want me to play with it more.  I'd rather not construct too many CDs, because it doesn't have a boot-from-USB feature.
[20:35] <cjwatson> bug 538100 may be related
[20:36] <cjwatson> though I'm not *entirely* confident in the analysis there
[20:41] <persia> I suspect the original partition map was created in OS X, or by initialising a factory disk with a partition map from an OS X install.
[20:42] <persia> That analysis matches what I found from searching, which indicated that we use a "legacy mode" for GPT.  No idea how true that is, and one of the pages I found included a comment from you actively disagreeing with the suggestions.
[20:44] <cjwatson> the analysis is bogus for a reason I'm about to explain
[20:46] <cjwatson> posted.  now to see how much this applies to your bug.  I see you're on an Apple system
[20:47] <persia> Yes.
[20:48] <cjwatson> so, you indeed don't have an EFI System Partition (no FAT partition with the 'boot' flag set)
[20:48] <persia> I used to have one of those.  It got et.
[20:48] <cjwatson> which means ultimately that the kernel won't recognise your GPT table as valid
[20:48] <cjwatson> what happened to it?
[20:48] <persia> I'm not sure.
[20:49] <persia> It was there on first install attempt.
[20:49] <persia> It wasn't there after first Guided Install (entire disk) attempt.
[20:49] <cjwatson> it's not entirely obvious that it's there at the start, although it could be the one that's labelled "unknown".  I wonder why I see no evidence of the "boot" flag, though
[20:50] <cjwatson> do you know which partition it was at the start?
[20:51] <cjwatson> sda2 perhaps?
[20:51] <persia> Yes.
[20:51] <persia> Well, not quite.
[20:51] <cjwatson> that's kind of hyooge
[20:51] <persia>  /dev never showed any partitions for it
[20:51] <persia> But it was the second partition listed in the partman interface.
[20:52] <cjwatson> sda2 at the start of your installation is a 308GB partition
[20:52] <cjwatson> second, after a bit of free space?
[20:52] <persia> Originally, yes.
[20:53] <cjwatson> right, so sda1
[20:53] <persia> After doing the Guided Install, I lost that partition.
[20:53] <cjwatson> so two problems: (a) your original EFI System Partition wasn't detected as fat32, let alone as an ESP (b) autopartitioning didn't create an ESP
[20:54] <cjwatson> I guess there's no way to restore to the original state?
[20:55] <persia> I can take it to the shop and tell them it's broken.
[20:55] <persia> I could try an OS X install.
[20:55] <persia> Dunno if either of those really gets it to factory-original state.
[20:56] <cjwatson> an OS X install would probably be enough, though was that what was on it to start with?
[20:56] <cjwatson> the original state was: (some random partition, maybe efi system; big fat32; linux-swap)
[20:57] <persia> I presume so.  I try to avoid booting vendor-supplied operating systems.
[20:57] <cjwatson> fat32 doesn't sound characteristic of os x
[20:57] <persia> Indeed.  That doesn't sound like the original state.
[20:57] <cjwatson> nor does linux-swap for that matter :-)  that's a weird pairing
[20:58] <cjwatson> that's what PARTITIONS said at the start of your partman log.  did you boot d-i multiple times?
[20:58] <persia> I'll try to dig up the "restore" disk, and see if I can do a fresh install of OS X, and then an install of Ubuntu and replicate the issue.
[20:58] <persia> Thrice.
[20:58] <cjwatson> aha.
[20:58] <persia> Once with the LVM failures.
[20:58] <persia> Once again to try Guided Partiitioning.
[20:58] <persia> And then again to repeat the Guided Paritioning to get logs.
[20:58] <cjwatson> so that 1mb partition at the start might actually have been a biosgrub partition
[20:58] <persia> But I think I won't do that again :)
[20:59] <cjwatson> I think they're all the same thing
[20:59] <persia> That name sounds familiar.
[21:09] <persia> (one of) the problems with OS X is that it requires a mouse to install :(
[21:09] <cjwatson> so I can easily correct part of this in parted.  the tricky bit is identifying bios_grub partitions on the way in; they're essentially just data containers.
[21:26] <cjwatson> oh, and I left myself a comment a while back to note that the automatic creation of bios_grub partitions doesn't work with automatic LVM partitioning
[21:26] <cjwatson> for tedious internal reasons
[21:27] <persia> aha!  That's probably the issue with the guided parition then.
[21:27] <persia> The OS X reformat dance seems to have put back the original state.  LVM failure logs attached.  Shall I again restore state, and try Guided?
[21:30] <cjwatson> I don't think I should need that immediately - the original state was what I was most interested in
[21:33] <cjwatson> I think I have enough now to be going on with.  Thanks!
[21:33] <cjwatson> I'll ask you when I have something ready for testing
[21:34] <persia> Sure.  Thanks for jumping on this at such an hour.
[22:52] <cjwatson> persia: fortunately, there are hacks that allow me to reproduce this without having to sacrifice the Apple system that my wife is actively using at the moment ...
[22:55] <persia> excellent.  local repoduction is always best.
[22:57] <cjwatson> (documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development/Tips now)
[22:57] <persia> But do let me know if there's something you want me to run, or test.  I don't mind holding off finishing the install, and contrary to popular wisdom, believe Apple has the best price/volume ratio in small machines right now (the alternatives were larger, pricer, or not amd64-compatible).
[22:58] <cjwatson> I will certainly want an end-to-end test after fixing the issues I can reproduce
[22:59] <persia> OK.  I'm heading off to have a day soon, so it'll have to be during the week.
[23:00] <cjwatson> yup
[23:01] <cjwatson> thanks for the help so far
[23:02] <persia> By helping each other we help ourselves :)  I perceive this as you spending a lot of time helping me get my build server installed.  Thanks! :)
[23:02] <cjwatson> heh