[03:35] <Knuckl3head> Hello?
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> Knuckl3head: yes?
[03:38] <Knuckl3head> I am trying to find ways of extracting drivers from an android device, is there any information on how I should go about this?
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> Knuckl3head: what are you trying to do exactly?
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> Knuckl3head: porting ubuntu touch to a new device?
[03:40] <Knuckl3head> Yeah, I'm just trying to get an initial image at the moment.
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> Knuckl3head: what kind of device do you have?
[03:41] <Knuckl3head> It's a Polaroid A8 Tablet.
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> Knuckl3head: maybe the XDA forums have a porting to your device?
[03:42] <Knuckl3head> The XDA forums? I haven't checked there yet, hold on.
[03:43] <Knuckl3head> How would I find whether or not they have a port on there?
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> Knuckl3head: search for you device name, and check if someone already busy on it
[03:45] <Knuckl3head> Just rooting software.
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> Knuckl3head: for now these are the supported devices:
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> !devices | Knuckl3head
[03:46] <Knuckl3head> So does this mean that there's no way to extract the drivers?
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> Knuckl3head: but many handymen, are portin to cool devices, nexus5, one+one phones, tablet brands and such
[03:48] <Knuckl3head> So I'll have to buy a 200$+ tablet to install Ubuntu Touch?
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> Knuckl3head: if you wanna be safe, buy a second hand nexus7
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> i run touch on it and works like a charm
[03:50] <Knuckl3head> I'll just email the devs or contact the mailing list to see if they can help me.
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> sure, and also idle here when the devs are waking up
[04:34] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu OS for phones | http://askubuntu.com/q/608262
[06:43] <brunch875> Good morning in the morning!
[09:14] <dadexix86> hi all. how does the auto brightness work? Is it measured by the frontal camera? how much battery does this automated thing usually drain?
[09:15] <nhaines> There's usually a dedicated photosensor for this next to the proximity sensor that the phone uses to turn off the screen when you put it to your face during a call.
[09:19] <dadexix86> nhaines, thanks. on the bq device is this the first one from the left, then?
[09:23] <nhaines> That I don't know.
[09:25] <dadexix86> nhaines, ok thanks :) do you know something about the amount of battery (usually) used by that feature?
[09:54] <nhaines> dadexix86: no, but it's probably only used when the screen is on and photosensors tend to be variable impedence resistors, so probably basically none.
[09:58] <dadexix86> nhaines, thanks :)
[10:01] <nhaines> dadexix86: you're welcome.  :)
[10:31] <Mad_Dud> guys, are there any connection problems reported in Germany for cellular networs in aquariz e4.5 ubuntu edition?
[10:31] <Mad_Dud> i'm getting Sim 1 "unregistered"
[10:34] <Mad_Dud> when i go to Rellular options, choose 'carrier' it says 'none' and when i click it (it's supposed to give a list of available networks?), there is only 'automatically' option available
[11:02] <brunch875> ahooy!
[11:30] <dadexix86> Mad_Dud, what is your carrier?
[11:31] <Mad_Dud> dadexix86: vodafone
[11:31] <Mad_Dud> vodafone DE, to be specific
[11:32] <dadexix86> Then yes, there is a problem, see bug 1436545 :) I have O2 DE and it works fine :)
[11:33] <Mad_Dud> dadexix86: damn it!
[11:33] <Mad_Dud> ok. thanks
[11:42] <ogra_> Mad_Dud, despite the bug (which actually claims vodafone works) ... you shoul din any case get a GSM connection, this seems like a new and unrelated bug
[11:44] <ogra_> note that there is another bug where it takes 5min+ to register to GSM
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> great work on the browser-app setting guys
[13:13] <NIN101> how long will the aquariz e4.5 receive updates? does this depend on BQ?
[16:05] <Nothing_Much> Does Ubuntu Touch support .debs normally?
[16:12] <rbasak> Nothing_Much: only if you remount the root filesystem read/write. That breaks image-based updates though.
[16:20] <Nothing_Much> rbasak: ohh..
[16:20] <Nothing_Much> will .debs be supported normally in the future?
[16:24] <AskUbuntu> no notifications from calendar and reminders apps on Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Editon | http://askubuntu.com/q/608422
[16:33] <rbasak> Nothing_Much: no. Otherwise users would need dist-upgrade to work, and that's fraught with issues.
[16:34] <Nothing_Much> ah, so Click is the way of the future?
[16:34] <rbasak> Nothing_Much: yes, for stuff being added to the core system.
[16:38] <rbasak> (as opposed to for the core system itself)
[16:50] <AskUbuntu> Background image for the scopes | http://askubuntu.com/q/608427
[18:04] <Se7> hi guyssss
[18:05] <Se7> i was thinking....
[18:05] <Se7> i m left hand it s possible to move the bar on the right and side ?
[18:07] <Se7> sometime it s a bit weird to use it with the left thumb on the left and side of the phone
[18:08] <Se7> it s would be great for the market as well i guess :)
[18:19] <dadexix86> Se7, I was thinking about the same yesterday (although I am right handed). How do you feel with the desktop? Is it okay having it on the left or would it be better having everything inverted?
[18:23] <Se7> on desktop it s different
[18:24] <Se7> because you got the pointer
[18:24] <Se7> not the finger :)
[18:24] <cwayne_> popey, don't suppose you're around?
[18:24] <Se7> and it s better on the desktop because you got everythink on left
[18:24] <popey> cwayne_: for you, always
[18:24] <Se7> lol
[18:25] <Se7> this a quick answer
[18:25] <cwayne_> popey, got an update to untappd if you don't mind :)  fixes an account issue dobey_ was seein'
[18:27] <popey> cwayne_: done
[18:27] <cwayne_> popey, <3
[19:41] <Se7> dadexix86, you think its possible?
[19:45] <dadexix86> Se7, in general? Maybe. Without rewriting a ton of code? Nope :( but probably the nice thing to do would to have a switch in the settings. Having the launcher on one side and not above/below it is actually important to have the possibly to move the launcher on the other side.
[19:46] <dadexix86> Se7 I strongly suggest that you fill a bug and wait for the developers to give an answer.
[19:47] <Se7> ok tnx for the answer
[19:48] <Se7> have a switch would be very great
[19:48] <Se7> but yu think it s a bug?
[20:09] <dadexix86> Se7, well, yes. it is a usability bug for me :)
[20:10] <Se7>   ok just posted the question :)
[20:14] <dadexix86> can you link it please? :)
[20:15] <Se7> i posted in ask ubuntu not in a bug
[20:15] <Se7> http://askubuntu.com/questions/608483/launcher-ubuntu-touch
[20:16] <AskUbuntu> Launcher ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/608483
[20:18] <dadexix86> thanks!
[20:18] <Se7> no probs :)
[20:18] <Se7> it s ok there ir i have to report a new bug in launchpad?
[20:22] <popey> i think you may be missing that the right edge is used for switching applications
[20:22] <popey> which is generally something you do more often than launching applications
[20:22] <popey> if you move launcher to the right, then switching will obviously move to the left
[20:22] <popey> if you do that then you have to stretch every time you switch apps
[20:26] <Se7> popey, i dont agree
[20:27] <popey> you don't agree with what?
[20:27] <Se7> i don t understand very well what you mean for stretch
[20:28] <Se7> but i dont agree with that
[20:28] <Se7> popey> which is generally something you do more often than launching applications
[20:28] <popey> People generally switch applications (like ALT+TAB) _way_ more than they launch apps
[20:28] <Se7> when i m at work wich it s a very boring job
[20:29] <Se7> i launch application every second...close and open fb
[20:29] <Se7> ebay
[20:29] <Se7> telegramm as well
[20:29] <popey> You open an app, and then _close_ it?
[20:30] <popey> So you have no apps running?
[20:30] <Se7> no
[20:30] <Se7> if i watch on fb after i close it
[20:31] <Se7> i don t leave apps running in background
[20:31] <Se7> save battery :)
[20:31] <popey> That's not common behaviour.
[20:32] <popey> Apps on Ubuntu don't run in the background.
[20:32] <popey> So it saves battery without you having to do that.
[20:33] <Se7> ok ok this is another think i guess
[20:35] <Se7> i was talking about the comfort for me that i m left hand
[20:36] <popey> ah I see.
[20:36] <popey> I misunderstood that bit, sorry.
[20:37] <Se7> no probs popey
[21:52] <SturmFlut> D****d I crashed my E4.5 again
[21:54] <popey> D****d?
[21:54] <SturmFlut> popey: It starts with "D" and ends with "amned"
[21:55] <SturmFlut> Every time it happens I can't subsequently get an ABD shell, so no possibility to debug it
[21:56] <SturmFlut> Ooooh! It came back to life!
[21:56] <SturmFlut> This is new
[22:02] <SturmFlut> I'll file a bug tomorrow, but if anybody wants to look at the logs at this exact moment: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10811672/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/10811675/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/10811679/
[23:57] <Thandlovsky> If anyone is interested, I have f2fs working on the ubuntu touch image and it works great I think you guys should check it out


[00:00] <greg-g> :(
[00:15] <gamerchick02> why the sad face, greg-g?
[00:16] <greg-g> mac
[00:16] <cmaloney> Hearing bullshit in mixed languages is still bullshit
[00:17] <cmaloney> ( mrgoodcat )
[00:17] <gamerchick02> eh. there was nothing that was the size i wanted when i was looking so i got the air 11"
[00:18] <gamerchick02> for the most part it works well. and when osx is not updated any more for it i will probably switch to an ubuntu variant.
[00:18] <gamerchick02> if system 76 had an 11" laptop that was this thin i would have bought it in a heartbeat. alas, they do not.
[00:18] <gamerchick02> nor do ZaReason.
[00:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, the System76 laptops are a little chunky
[00:21] <gamerchick02> chunky is a good word for it
[00:22] <gamerchick02> i was looking at the Galago or Darter but still too big
[00:22] <gamerchick02> i want small and portable
[00:22] <gamerchick02> :)
[00:22] <cmaloney> Darter looks nice, but a little pricey
[00:24] <gamerchick02> yeah. about the same as a low end air
[00:24] <gamerchick02> macbook air i mean. not iPad
[00:28] <cmaloney> Right, I knew the context. :)
[00:28] <gamerchick02> heh
[00:29] <gamerchick02> though i suppose an iPad air with a keyboard would be a decent netbook replacement.
[00:29] <gamerchick02> if not expensive.
[00:57] <mrgoodcat> gamerchick02: get a c720 and put linux on it
[00:58] <mrgoodcat> 200$
[00:58] <gamerchick02> hehe. i already have the macbook so not right now. :)
[00:58] <gamerchick02> i do have a chrome book but since my macbook got fixed and updated, i've not had a lot of use for it
[01:24] <jrwren> now I'm singing "back on the mac" to the tune of back in black.
[03:21] <Hitmanactual121> Evening everyone! so what's going on?
[03:29] <mrgoodcat> not much
[03:30] <mrgoodcat> playing around with some of my coding projects
[03:30] <mrgoodcat> you?
[03:37] <Hitmanactual121> excited, my buddy and me and planning on what talks to go to for this con we were thinking of going to
[03:41] <mrgoodcat> what con?
[03:44] <Hitmanactual121> penguicon! :)
[04:49] <Hitmanactual121> seems pretty cool, anyone else going?
[11:15] <cmaloney> Hitmanactual121: i'm planning on being there
[12:39] <cmaloney> Morning
[12:39] <brousch> indeed
[12:43] <mrgoodcat> quite
[12:45] <brousch> too tired today. I was up until midnight at the GRMakers Social
[12:45] <mrgoodcat> i was real tired yesterday
[17:26] <cmaloney> After noon
[17:28] <mrgoodcat> and then some
[20:46] <brousch> Is VB.NET a legitimate language still?
[20:53] <waf> well, it's not being discontinued by MS or anything, but it's a PITA to use
[20:53] <waf> so i suppose it depends on what your definition of 'legitimate' is
[21:09] <jrwren> brousch: its still a thing, yes.
[21:39] <brousch> All of the examples and tutorials for autocad's api are vb.net.
[21:40] <brousch> My project would go much faster if I use it
[21:47] <mrgoodcat> my project would go so slow no matter what the documentation. it would take me 2 weeks just to consent to vb.net
[22:46] <brousch> I've been using VBA since 2000 :(
[23:01] <mrgoodcat> ouch
[23:20] <jrwren> VBA is a different beast


[04:37] <AskUbuntu> cann't bootstap in lxc environments | http://askubuntu.com/q/589150
[11:17] <AskUbuntu> Where does juju store its cache | http://askubuntu.com/q/589242
[11:28] <jamespage> dosaboy, gnuoy: if you have time - https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers/charm-helpers/0mq/+merge/238855
[11:28] <jamespage> addes redis support for zeromq
[11:30] <gnuoy> looking
[11:32] <jamespage> gnuoy, its fairly isolated
[11:33] <gnuoy> jamespage, approved
[11:33] <jamespage> gnuoy, ta
[11:34] <jamespage> I'll merge it
[15:14] <hazmat> cool
[15:16] <stub> marcoceppi: I just got an email about failed test results pointing to http://reports.vapour.ws/charm-tests/charm-bundle-test-11056-results, but the page is empty of information.
[15:23] <stub> http://reports.vapour.ws/charm-test-details/charm-bundle-test-11056-results looks like the correct URL
[15:35] <rick_h_> hazmat: got time to chat this version key in the bundle file? That seems to be the only sticking thing on that branch left correct?
[15:35] <hazmat> rick_h_: sure
[15:36] <rick_h_> hazmat: hangout or just chat?
[15:36] <hazmat> rick_h_: so nutshell is that if we start sniffing, we'll keep sniffing each change till its a mess
[15:36] <hazmat> rick_h_: can't hangout atm
[15:36] <rick_h_> hazmat: understand but the only sniff is just the removing of multiple bundles per file. it's a one time 'raising' of the data up one level
[15:36] <rick_h_> the rest of backward compatible/etc
[15:38] <rick_h_> hazmat: I guess I'd agree but for two things. 1) these things are hand written so we're not going to be able to rely on a version key long term and 2) the changes planned and such are small and blindingly sniffable
[15:38] <hazmat> rick_h_: but isn't the next incoming change, machines as a top level key
[15:38] <rick_h_> so it just seems overkill and unreliable to go the version string route atm
[15:38] <hazmat> hmm
[15:39] <rick_h_> hazmat: right, but I'm missing how that's a version increase. If it was an API I'd just call it a new API and not increment the version number of that api
[15:39] <hazmat> rick_h_: the thought is also there that things might diverge down more lines
[15:39] <rick_h_> that's totally true, but honestly the talk now is a whole new format
[15:39] <rick_h_> and so I don't want to go too far into that future to be honest
[15:39] <hazmat> ie. not linear version.. but machines added to both formats, the extant format is majority usage .. with inheritance
[15:39] <rick_h_> that's more with core involved, specs, and a lot of total changes from the sounds of things
[15:40] <rick_h_> hmm, I suppose on the inheritance front...
[15:40] <hazmat> rick_h_: i'm okay with pushing forward with the change (w/ test)..
[15:41] <hazmat> its not ideal.. but its small and easy to fix if we go a different way in the future
[15:41] <rick_h_> hazmat: cool, I know he was adding that yesterday per standup so that'd be great. I think we'll keep an eye out though as you're right that if the delta gets big explicit > implicit
[15:41] <rick_h_> right
[15:41] <rick_h_> Makyo: ^
[15:42] <Makyo> hazmat, rick_h_ that should be pushed
[15:43] <rick_h_> Makyo: cool then. hazmat can you TAL then please?
[15:43] <Makyo> Oh, I'd left the internal services check.  Do you think there's a chance of someone naming their bundle 'services'?  I can take that out if not.
[15:43] <hazmat> rick_h_: Makyo i have to wait till this evening, don't have network access for it atm
[15:44] <rick_h_> hazmat: rgr ty much
[15:44] <hazmat> Makyo: let's take that out.
[15:44] <Makyo> ack
[15:44] <hazmat> Makyo: i think they deserve what they get if they do that ;-)
[15:44] <rick_h_> lol
[15:45] <Makyo> Haha, fair :)
[16:03] <marcoceppi> stub: looks like ci has changed the details page, I'll update reviewq
[20:43] <jshieh> hey, got a question about variables set in config.yaml and if they can be overridden with the "juju set" command
[21:26] <ctlaugh> I need some help with configuring and deploying nova-compute with FlatDHCPManager.  I can not get it deployed correctly where I can ssh into a VM.  I would like eth1 to be the public interface.
[21:28] <ctlaugh> I have tried various combinations using both eth0 and eth1 for flat-interface, but so far it isn't working.  I can look at the VM boot log and it can't reach the metadata server.  Any help, please?
[21:33] <ctlaugh> jamespage ^^?
[22:01] <AskUbuntu> juju deploy ceph 'hook failed: "mon-relation-changed"' | http://askubuntu.com/q/589506
[22:04] <lazyPower> ctlaugh: jamespage is UK time, response may be latent, its pretty late over there.
[22:05] <ctlaugh> lazyPower: I'll take help from anyone -- just trying to start pinging ones I thought might be able to help :)  I was about to post on AskUbuntu and hopefully get a response.
[22:06] <lazyPower> ctlaugh: that would be a good place to put it, or the mailing list.
[22:25] <AskUbuntu> How to correctly configure nova-compute to use FlatDHCPManager | http://askubuntu.com/q/589516
[22:56] <blahdeblah> Methinks Azure tests are broken: http://reports.vapour.ws/charm-tests-by-charm
[22:56] <blahdeblah> The 3rd one in the list is mine, and it shouldn't be a change that makes *anything* fail.
[22:58] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: if you look at the test results, http://reports.vapour.ws/charm-test-details/charm-bundle-test-11054-results, you can see that the test threw a SKIP (100)
[22:58] <marcoceppi> looks like a timeout
[22:59] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: Is that fairly common?
[23:00] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: I've seen azure deployments timing out at 15mins. Tests by default use a 15 min timeout, you could try to increase that for slower clouds
[23:01] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: What's our obligation as MP submitters in terms of getting clean testing results?  I only looked at it because it emailed me about a failure, and it seems pretty clear to me that it's the cloud's fault, not the charm's.
[23:02] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: charmers will always review the test output regardless of pass or fail. With the new charm testing stuff we're actually going to change a bit on how the CI bot reponds to merge requests.
[23:02] <marcoceppi> So as a reviewer, I would look at the change, the test results, and if need be, run the tests myself for clouds missing
[23:02] <blahdeblah> OK - thanks
[23:02] <marcoceppi> instead of saying "TESTS (PASSED|FAILED)" it's just going to say testing was completed results available at URL
[23:03] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: increasing the timeout to something higher than 15 mins wouldn't hurt
[23:03] <marcoceppi> HPCloud hit 10 mins for deployment
[23:03] <beisner> hi ctlaugh, see corresponding nova-compute flat networking options @ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers/charms/trusty/nova-compute/trunk/view/head:/config.yaml#L89  (ymmv with flat - but let us know)
[23:04] <marcoceppi> moving it to 30 mins, for example, wouldn't hurt blahdeblah
[23:04] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: Is that something that is controlled in the charm?
[23:04] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: it's in the test file typically
[23:05] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: Pardon my ignorance - the test file in the charm repo?
[23:05] <marcoceppi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mbruzek/charms/precise/nrpe-external-master/tests/view/head:/tests/99-autogen#L21
[23:05] <mbruzek> hello
[23:05] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: unintentional ping
[23:06] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/nrpe-external-master/trunk/view/head:/tests/99-autogen#L21
[23:06] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: So would a change to that take effect on the first test run afterwards?
[23:06] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: if you change that and reupload, on the next test run it'll use the updated timeout value for waiting for the deployment
[23:06] <blahdeblah> cool - thanks
[23:07] <ctlaugh> beisner: Thank you, I've seen those (both looking in the charm and on the charm store) -- what I can't get working right is the correct combination of settings needed to make it work on my config.  For example, what do I need to set flat-interface, bridge-interface (and anything else?) so that it uses eth1 for all VM public network traffic and uses eth0 for everything else?
[23:07] <ctlaugh> ^^ I posted this question (http://askubuntu.com/q/589516) that has more details on what I have done and what I am seeing.
[23:14] <beisner> ctlaugh, tbh, i don't have a definitive answer.  but i just made a best guess for my enviro and kicked off a flat deploy.  may not get back to that till tomorrow though.
[23:14] <ctlaugh> beisner: Sorry, I see that you already saw the question and responded :)
[23:14] <ctlaugh> beisner: ok, thank you.  I appreciate it.
[23:15] <beisner> ctlaugh, so here's how I interpret it:   bridge-ip  is something static in your LAN, and of course bridge-netmask is the matching subnet.
[23:16] <beisner> ctlaugh, bridge-interface's default br100 shouldn't matter;  flat-interface for me is eth1.   so, the charm should take all instance traffic across eth1, and create bridges on eth1.
[23:17] <ctlaugh> So, flat-interface is for instance traffic?  I thought it was for internal traffic.
[23:17] <beisner> ctlaugh, fwiw, secgroups could also be tripping you up.
[23:17] <beisner> ctlaugh, aiui, yes.
[23:18] <ctlaugh> And, for the bridge-ip (and netmask), what purpose does that serve?  Does it need to be an address in the same subnet I would assign for floating-ips, or something different?
[23:19] <beisner> ctlaugh, i don't think you can use floating ips with the flat network option.
[23:19] <beisner> ctlaugh, what i'm doing is this:   eth0 and eth1 are wired to the same LAN.  i've told the charms nothing about eth0, and expect it to use it for api traffic.  i've told the charms about eth1, giving it some static IP info compatible with my LAN.
[23:21] <beisner> ctlaugh, but keep in mind, i've not personally used the charm flat network options, so i'm just going by what i know about the default behaviors, the configs I see, and a little bit of filling in the gaps.
[23:21] <ctlaugh> beisner: understood
[23:23] <ctlaugh> beisner: I've got to head out for a few hours, but will be back online sometime later tonight.  Thank you for the tips -- I'm going to kick another install off tonight to try.
[23:23] <beisner> ctlaugh, hope that helps, best to you!


[21:01] <pumba_> :( hi all
[21:02] <pumba_> I have made an entire mess :(
[21:07] <doctormo> pumba_: What's wrong?
[21:12] <pumba_> its terrible :(
[21:12] <pumba_> i have just installed this ubuntu 10.10...
[21:12] <pumba_> it finished, all went well...
[21:12] <pumba_> at reboot, i can see the dekstop, but it couldnt recognize the graphic card
[21:12] <pumba_> so I red on tutorials to go to addon drivers..
[21:13] <pumba_> and in fact there i saw listed a nvidia driver, to activate...
[21:13] <pumba_> i did it, downloaded the driver, and activated..
[21:13] <pumba_> it asked me to reboot
[21:13] <pumba_> but now, it boots with console :(
[21:13] <pumba_> i dont see anymore the desktop


[16:33] <tyhicks> hello!
[16:33]  * sbeattie waves
[16:34] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:34] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 19 16:34:15 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:35] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:35] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:35] <tyhicks> Thanks to Martin Pitt (pitti) for providing precise-wily debdiffs for postgresql packages (LP: #1504132)
[16:35] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:35] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:37] <mdeslaur> zzzzzzzz
[16:37]  * mdeslaur pokes jdstrand with pointy stick
[16:37] <jdstrand> hey
[16:37] <jdstrand> sorry
[16:37] <tyhicks> that got his attention ;)
[16:38] <jdstrand> so, right now I'm working on getting snappy-debug into the store. I'm almost done with that
[16:38] <jdstrand> after that, will be looking at identifying tasks for the post-mortem meeting for the update last week
[16:38] <jdstrand> I also have several embargoed issues
[16:39] <jdstrand> s/the update/the click update/
[16:39] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:40] <mdeslaur> guess it's my turn
[16:40] <mdeslaur> I'm back from vacation, so I'm in email ketchup mode today
[16:40] <mdeslaur> and I'm on triage this week
[16:41] <mdeslaur> and will be looking at the list of required updates, and will pick something to work on
[16:41] <mdeslaur> that's about it, sbeattie?
[16:41] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:41] <sbeattie> I have a miniupnpc update in the pipeline that I'll be finishing up.
[16:42] <sbeattie> I
[16:42] <sbeattie> bleah
[16:42] <sbeattie> I'm currently refreshing my gcc-pie patches and adding bind-now to the defautls
[16:43] <sbeattie> I need to go through the backlog of apparmor patches
[16:43] <sbeattie> I may pick up another update as the list has grown large
[16:43] <sbeattie> that's probably it for my week
[16:44] <tyhicks> sbeattie: where do you want to be with the gcc-pie patches before we sprint with foundations?
[16:45] <sbeattie> tyhicks: I want to have a patch with bind-now enabled as well to hand off.
[16:46] <tyhicks> sbeattie: ok, lets sync up with doko to see what his thoughts are for what should be done going into that week
[16:46] <tyhicks> I'm in the community role this week
[16:47] <tyhicks> I'm currently doing a design/code review of Mir attestable timestamps
[16:47] <tyhicks> after that, I'll start the mapplauncherd code review to see how the security team's feedback was incorporated in
[16:48] <tyhicks> as part of that review, I signed up to create an AppArmor profile for confining the booster processes
[16:48] <tyhicks> if I get through both of those things, I'll look at our backlog
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:48]  * jjohansen gives tyhicks a consoling pat on the back
[16:49] <jjohansen> I am working on the apparmor stacking patches
[16:50] <jjohansen> I should also get around to building some test kernels for the bug fixes that people can run if they want
[16:50] <tyhicks> jjohansen: regarding stacking, are you still mainly focused on kernel code or have you gotten into parser/libapparmor/tests yet?
[16:50] <jjohansen> tyhicks: kernel still
[16:51] <tyhicks> ah, reviewing some of your AppArmor kernel fixes and possibly preparing kteam pull requests is something else that I want to get to this week
[16:52] <jjohansen> I think that is it for me
[16:52] <tyhicks> jjohansen: is that all for you this week? (hopefully you'll get a chance to spend quality time on stacking)
[16:52] <tyhicks> nice!
[16:52] <jjohansen> yep
[16:52] <tyhicks> sarnold: you're up
[16:53] <sarnold> i'm on bug triage this week
[16:53] <sarnold> I've got a stack of patches from jjohansen that I'm reviewing
[16:53] <sarnold> are there any MIRs that we can do last-minute to make someone happy?
[16:54] <tyhicks> sarnold: I'll have a look and get back to you on that
[16:54] <sarnold> thanks
[16:54]  * sarnold adds one more thing to tyhicks's pile :)
[16:54] <jjohansen> sarnold: would you like some more presents to add to your pile, I have a nice queue of another 20 or so you could start in on? :P
[16:54] <tyhicks> nah :)
[16:55] <sarnold> jjohansen: \o/ :)
[16:55] <sarnold> chrisccoulson?
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> This week, I need to publish Oxide (will probably do that tomorrow now).
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> I also need to get the crash reporter back on in Firefox, which means updating my scripts to push our symbols to their new upload API (which I have access to since last week)
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, I'd like to land https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/oxide/lp1504853/+merge/274525 because it fixes some issues with how certificate errors are handled in the browser
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> But it depends on https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/oxide/refactor-webview-rwhv-interation/+merge/274723, which is ongoing
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> I think that's me done
[16:58] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:58] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:58] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:58] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libjboss-cache2-java.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gcc-4.9-powerpc-cross.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libplack-perl.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/puppet-module-puppetlabs-stdlib.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mosh.html
[16:58] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:58] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:03] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[17:03] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 19 17:03:09 2015 UTC.
[17:03] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-19-16.34.moin.txt
[17:03] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[17:03] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[17:03] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[17:05] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!


[21:56] <amahajan> Hello everyone!
[21:56] <amahajan> I hope you are doing well.
[21:56] <amahajan> I am trying to understand from what is the right source for consuming the OVAL feed for ubuntu vulnerability data.
[21:56] <amahajan> We use Quay Clair for scanning and it uses the feed from https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/oval/
[21:56] <amahajan>  (https://github.com/quay/claircore/blob/main/ubuntu/updater.go#L18-L21)
[21:56] <amahajan> This does not match the source mentioned on the Ubuntu OVAL page
[21:56] <amahajan> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/oval/HEADER.html
[21:56] <amahajan> What is the difference between these two sources?
[22:03] <sarnold> hrmph, I guess the redirect on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/oval/ wasn't enough to redirect requests for the ovals themselves.. there's still files there, but they haven't been updated since november.
[22:19] <amahajan> Okay. So it seems the previous link should no longer be used.
[22:21] <sarnold> yeah; are you on the bug report, or shall I file it?
[22:22] <amahajan> I can. I am not sure which is the right place to file it though
[22:23] <sarnold> me neither, but if you click the three dots on the left side of the github link, that'll give a popup with a "reference in new issue" link that will probably do the right thing
[22:28] <amahajan> I can raise an issue for Clair. I am not sure how what the fix is for the old feed - people.canonical.com
[22:29] <amahajan> And where can I file it.
[22:29] <amahajan> I feel the data should be removed from the link so that customers consuming it start failing instead of assuming that the data represents the latest vulnerability feed.
[22:31] <sarnold> yeah, I did briefly think about just deleting them all :) before wondering what *that* would break.. heh
[22:32] <amahajan> Yeah. makes sense. but in this case - it may be better to let things break maybe. :)
[22:33] <sarnold> maybe
[23:08] <amahajan> Thank you for your reply!! It helped me understand some discrepancies I was observing.
[23:12] <sarnold> amahajan: thanks :) I hadn't realized we weren't generating these things for a few months, heh


[14:16] <smartboyhw> Good evening gyys
[14:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, new raring kernel is on:P
[14:19] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm not following :). You installed a new kernel, or you mean there's a new update coming up?
[14:20] <smartboyhw> zequence, new update:P
[14:20] <smartboyhw> I thought you was supposed to update the -lowlatency kernel to a new version
[14:21] <zequence> smartboyhw: We don't update the release version right now. Also, I'm not seeing any bug about it. Which are you referring to?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, ah:P  referred kernel= 3.8.0-1
[14:23] <zequence> smartboyhw: I mean, which bug report are you referring to
[14:23] <smartboyhw> zequence, you mean a -lowlatency kernel or the new -generic kernel bug?
[14:23] <zequence> We only deal with bugs for lowlatency
[14:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, the strange thing is that they don't create one.....  I'm guessing you are that age now
[15:13] <zequence> smartboyhw: What will be your major?
[15:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, Well we don't have to apply for high school. secondary schools run from Form 1 to Form 6 (12-17)
[15:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, we have four compulsory subjects
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Chinese, English, Maths and Liberal Studies
[15:14] <smartboyhw> 2-4 Electives
[15:14] <smartboyhw> For electives I will probably choose Physics, Chemistry and ICT (though ICT might be replaced by biology)
[15:15] <zequence> No programming?
[15:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, what do you think about http://www.2buntu.com/1286/is-ubuntu-phone-targetting-4k-uhd-video-capturing/ ?
[15:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, programming is included in ICT
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Well the Computer Literacy exam was **** this term
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Almost everybody failed...
[15:16] <zequence> heh
[15:17] <zequence> And about the Ubuntu phone, I'll be happy if it is a well working phone once it comes out. I'll probably get myself one
[15:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep...
[15:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, I want to load it onto my phone (Remark: It is a cheap Samsung Galaxy Pocket(
[15:17] <zequence> I'm not too concerned with the resolution in the camera. Seems quite adequate already
[15:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, come on my phone has a 2MP camera (Remember: It's an Android 2.3.6)
[19:36] <len-1304> zequence, Have you ever played with netjack?
[20:43] <zequence> len-1304: nope
[20:50] <zequence> len-1304: I'm getting a bit more organized with testing. Installing all releases, both 32 and 64 bit on different partitions in one machine.
[20:50] <zequence> LTS, latest stable, and development release. So, 6 installs all and all
[20:51] <len-1304> Wow, thats a lot.
[20:51] <len-1304> Are you doing reinstalls all the time or just updates
[20:52]  * len-1304 asked about netjack over on LAU
[20:52] <zequence> I'll only be using those 6 for testing, so for the released versions, I'll only be updating. The development release I guess I'll reinstall now and then
[20:53] <zequence> I also be keeping a user/development install of Ubuntu, where I do all the development work
[20:54] <zequence> Thinking the last stable is the best for doing that
[20:55] <zequence> So, 7 installs including that.
[20:56] <zequence> Time for another install..
[22:30] <zequence> len-dt: I didn't realize -generic was installed when installing from the 32 bit isos
[22:30] <zequence> Both 12.04 and 12.10
[22:31] <zequence> amd64 12.04 only installed -lowlatency
[22:31] <len-dt> Thats new.
[22:31] <len-dt> Thtas because there is no PAE any more
[22:31] <zequence> To clarify, both -generic and -lowlatency were installed from the 32 bit ISOs
[22:31] <len-dt> Thats still new
[22:31] <len-dt> They didn't at release.
[22:32] <zequence> 12.04 has pae, both for -generic, as well as -lowlatency
[22:33] <len-dt> That would be correct then... except only one kernel should be there
[22:33] <zequence> Well, worth looking up. I still need to install three more ISOs
[22:33] <zequence> bbl
[23:30] <zequence> len-dt: Also raring
[23:30] <len-dt> Huh.
[23:31] <len-dt> Found my problem with netjack BTW
[23:31] <zequence> Both generic and lowlatency when installing the 32bit ISO
[23:31] <zequence> Haven't read the mail for a while, so I missed what the problem was
[23:31] <len-dt> I was using jackd 1.9.8 in one machine and <IP_ADDRESS> on the other
[23:32] <len-dt> Works fine with <IP_ADDRESS> on both (kxstudio version for precise)
[23:49] <zequence> 64bit install of raring failed. md5sum was correct. Retrying making a usb.


[01:55] <Eickmeyer> dragonfly-reverb will live in Backports for now. :/
[02:42] <OvenWerks> better than not at all.
[02:43] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I would suggest that Ardour6 be a separate package for at least a while to give people the chance to finish projects with 5.12
[02:44] <OvenWerks> The session file format is different and there are other differences that may affect the way a previously recorded session sounds
[02:45] <Eickmeyer> Well... ooo... that's touchy. When it comes to Ardour, when Ross merges my packaging back up to Debian, we'll likely go back to a Debian sync, which means we'll be at the mercy of whatever is decided there.
[02:45] <OvenWerks> (of course the may even be true from 5.12 in 19.10 and 5.12 in 20.04)
[02:45] <Eickmeyer> We *might* be able to put Ardour 5.12 in a PPA by itself.
[02:45] <Eickmeyer> Of course, this would be for GG onward.
[02:45] <OvenWerks> I know we had ardour and ardour 4 for a while
[02:45] <OvenWerks>  or was it ardour and ardour5?
[02:46] <OvenWerks> I think it was 3 and 4
[02:46] <Eickmeyer> Probably because Debian had it that way. It'll likely be ardour and ardour6, if it follows the same pattern.
[02:48] <OvenWerks> Then (if 60 is released in the next few weeks the way Robin is talking) 5.12 could be dropped for 20.10 and ardour6 become the new ardour
[02:48] <Eickmeyer> That's the way I'd want to go ideally, keeping 5.12 in 20.04 and in a PPA for those that need it in 20.10 onward.
[02:48] <OvenWerks> Basically if someone can't finish a mix in 6 months... a new or diff3erent sound is their problem
[02:49] <Eickmeyer> Uh... yeah. Totally.
[02:50] <Eickmeyer> Of course, I'm a live engineer, so if you couldn't finish the mix on the fly you had other problems.
[02:53] <OvenWerks> 6.0 is very much a better product and because mixbus came out first with most of the same code... most of the new bugs have been fixed (thankyou Ben)
[02:55] <Eickmeyer> Oh, cool! I plan on upgrading to Mixbus 6 tomorrow.
[14:57] <Guest38546> Hello, I have upgraded to 20.04 however i have noticed that Carla does not show up as a instrument plugin on LMMS. I was expecting this to be the case due to the Carla version upgrade
 Eickmeyer: ^ since I kno you're around
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> @teward001 he's in main and exited this channel.
 ah ok
[15:09] <Eickmeyer> We don't want those kinds of questions in this channel anyhow.
 it sucks IRC names aren't relayed here :)
 joins/parts*
 unreltaed you have a PM in your telegram :P
[15:44] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: do you even know how to use lmms? it does'n make sense to me, i open it and think now what?
[15:44] <Eickmeyer> I have no clue. I couldn't even figure out where to get the VST plugins in the UI.
[15:45]  * Eickmeyer makes mental note to drop it from 20.10
[15:45] <OvenWerks> some people like it
[15:46] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I know. Those people can install it from the repos. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:46] <OvenWerks> but they really do need to accept LV2 as the standard linux plugin.
[15:47] <Eickmeyer> *sigh* Idk.... I just really don't like how the devs don't see upgrading from lv1 a priority.
[15:47] <OvenWerks> if you drop it put doesn't support lv2 as the reason
[15:47] <OvenWerks> :)
[15:47] <Eickmeyer> I think if I drop it, that might be the wake-up call they need. :)
[15:47] <OvenWerks> how does debian see VST3?
[15:48] <Eickmeyer> Debian doesn't like VST. Period. It tows the line of non-free. I think VST3 is like that since Steinberg won't even release it as open source.
[15:48] <OvenWerks> the headers are gpl
[15:49] <OvenWerks> the host code can be totaly open
[15:49] <OvenWerks> the plugin code can be too
[15:49] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I don't know then. I just know that even Fedora has issues with VST.
[15:50] <OvenWerks> just not if one uses their tools to build
[15:51] <OvenWerks> Ardour 7 will support vst3 probably
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> That'd be cool.
[15:51] <Eickmeyer> Apparently lmms is working on lv2 for 1.3, whenver that gets released?
[15:54]  * OvenWerks is learning to use autotools :p
[15:55] <OvenWerks> "auto" in autotools is a lie I think
[15:58] <Eickmeyer> Ha! Indeed it is.
[15:59] <Eickmeyer> It's always fun when I'm packaging something and it requires "autobuild.sh" to be run before "autoconfig" and "automake". :P
[16:52] <OvenWerks> I have a very simple applet that has only one file mcpdisp.cc to compile (no .h file even) but it dos need to add to libs libjack and lib fltk.... and I can't even get that to work.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> it works fine with just the makefile... but getting automake to generate this is not working. It says add this line to this file but that file already has that line :P
[16:55] <OvenWerks> I want to have a configure script is all
[17:07] <OvenWerks> ok, success!!... well sort of. autoreconf which is not mentioned in any of these tutorials seems to like to be run frequently
[17:08] <OvenWerks> I finally have a makefile. I don't get an executable out of it yet... but that will come.
[17:09] <Eickmeyer> Yay
[17:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I thought the idea was to only have to run ./configure make and makeinstall
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> Ah.
[19:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> stevenjaycohen: I'm considering you part of the team now that you're a moderator on Reddit.
[19:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Welcome aboard.
 welcome
[19:42] <StevenJayCohen> Thank you
[19:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> stevenjaycohen: So, I can do a few introductions. You already know me. OvenWerks is basically the lead of development (ubuntustudio-controls is his baby among other things), eylul (azbulutlu on Telegram) is the lead of artwork and design/advises me on which graphics applications to have and proofreads stuff for the website, teward is an Ubuntu Core Dev that helps me get stuff into Ubuntu, and one other (Ross, aka rosco2) is our
[19:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> Debian developer who works mostly via email.
[19:46] <StevenJayCohen> Let me know other ways that I can help out
[19:49] <StevenJayCohen> Thanks OvenWerks I really appreciate all of the work you've done. I've recently migrated our whole recording studio to Ubuntu Studio -- not more mac or windows anywhere
 i also help advise on packaging issues that're chaotic to fix ;)
 but the team overall is well driven :)
 (and this is me via our Telegram bridge.)
[19:51] <StevenJayCohen> I was checking out riot.im and bridging to IRC when Eickmeyer pined me
[19:51] <StevenJayCohen> pinged*
[19:52] <StevenJayCohen> I've been working on a PWA and wanted to check out how riot built theirs.
[20:07] <StevenJayCohen> My most useful skills to this team may be my teaching/blogging background. I spent years teaching educators (non-geeks) how to use tech in the classroom, I've continued doing that by teaching narrators and actors how to self-record/edit/master in their home studios. And, I've been blogging since before WordPress was forked from cafelog. So, my skills are community facing, my tech skills make me more of a
[20:07] <StevenJayCohen> tester/hacker than a programmer, and if you need someone to work on documentation/etc, I'm your guy.
[20:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, then you're exactly the kind of person we're looking for.
[22:45] <eylul[m]> welcomeSteven Jay Cohen to team. :))
[22:47] <StevenJayCohen> Thanks eylul
[22:48] <eylul[m]> by the way eickmeyer, I want to take a look at the long standing eyesore the screenshots at the website this week are, as it looks like I will find the time to do so, do you have a preference for the procedure for updating the content that is not version controlled (e.g. blurbs on front page, those screenshots etc - my suggestion would be just sticking all the new versions to wiki, and then copy pasting them in,
[22:48] <eylul[m]> but I am open to other ideas)
[22:49] <eylul[m]> by the way eickmeyer, I want to take a look at the long standing eyesore the screenshots are this week* I cannot construct sentences in english language, what else is new
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> eylul[m]: I already replaced them. :)
[22:51] <eylul[m]> oh?
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, take a look.
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> Except the front page.
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> The tour is fixed.
[22:52] <eylul[m]> awesome!!!!!
[22:52] <eylul[m]> we should add Krita to the list on the tour
[22:53] <Eickmeyer> Agreed. I just replaced what was there.
[22:53] <eylul[m]> unless for some reason it doesn't get installed by default. (under the graphics category)
[22:53] <Eickmeyer> It does get installed by default.
[22:54] <eylul[m]> also an idea, how about we put the blurb on the top of each page as well so that there is a bit more context to the pages...
[22:54] <Eickmeyer> Sure.
[22:55] <eylul[m]> I'll do that now. that's pretty quick :)
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> Sounds good.
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> One thing I noticed: We don't include Shotwell by default anymore, yet it's still on the photography page. Odd.
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> I mean, it's installable...
[22:57] <eylul[m]> it might have went during.. there was a pruning at some point, but I thought we updated the tour since then
[22:58] <eylul[m]> honestly it might be worth making a review of the software we preinstall, at some point. it has been a while since we last did that
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> I think next release Openshot might get the boot for shotcut. Openshot is much more feature-rich now, more like kdenlive.
[22:58] <eylul[m]> and I do know there is a few new photography tools that came out since then.
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> I think this next release is a perfect opportunity.
[22:58] <eylul[m]> kdenlive actually has been very actively developed, and is a lot more stable.
[22:59] <Eickmeyer> Especially if we're going Plasma, which it feels like we are per consensus.
[22:59] <eylul[m]> I would keep the both and stick to the two. (kdenlive has been actively developed well for the past year)
[22:59] <eylul[m]> nods
[22:59] <eylul[m]> there are also some new photography tools
[22:59] <Eickmeyer> I just don't feel like we need to have two fully-featured video editors. I'd rather go with kdenlive.
[22:59] <Eickmeyer> Pitivi needs to go too, it's very buggy.
[23:00] <eylul[m]> oh you want to lose openshot?
[23:00] <eylul[m]> I would say one out of pitivi and openshot
[23:00] <eylul[m]> not both
[23:00] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Openshot used to be something to get quick stuff done with, now it competes with kdenlive. I'd replace it with shotcut, since shotcut now fits that mold.
[23:01] <eylul[m]> I would like to make sure one side has all the features other has
[23:01] <eylul[m]> but let me get back to you on that, after the release?
[23:01] <Eickmeyer> Sure.
[23:01] <eylul[m]> the problem with the video editing programs is that not all of them have some features  (like there still are some reasons to use blender)
[23:02] <Eickmeyer> Well, blender isn't a video editor, per se. It's a 3-D modellilng program that *happens* to have a video editor.
[23:02] <eylul[m]> but I mean we do keep rawtherapee and darktable together :))
[23:03] <eylul[m]> yet it still has features as a video editor that other software doesn't. :)
[23:03] <Eickmeyer> Rawtherapee works for doing quick raw files. Darktable does that *and* catalogs them.
[23:03] <eylul[m]> (although kdenlive is catching up fast, so not sure where that count is these days :)) )
[23:03] <Eickmeyer> I see Blender as closer in style to After Effects, Kdenlive close to Premiere.
[23:04] <eylul[m]> darktable can do some pretty sophisticated edits, and anything short of compositing (you can technically composite with it, but it is.. hacky :P) raw therapee I haven't used it lately, but there is a fork of it that is called art. ergo. I really need to look what is going on.
[23:04] <eylul[m]> true!
[23:04] <StevenJayCohen> A Venn Diagram on the website would be helpful
[23:05] <StevenJayCohen> showing the overlap between the apps
[23:05] <eylul[m]> :)
[23:05] <eylul[m]> likes the idea
[23:05] <Eickmeyer> Darktable is a lot like Adobe Lightroom.
[23:06] <StevenJayCohen> This is what made me think of suggesting it
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[23:06] <StevenJayCohen> In the same way, you could show how each app overlaps others in functionality
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> TIL I'm an animal farm. 😝
[23:06] <StevenJayCohen> It would help people new to designing on Linux understand what does what
[23:07] <eylul[m]> Darktable is very much equivalent of that
[23:07] <eylul[m]> except in some ways it is better subjective opinion. but hey! better noise reduction and it definitely works a lot better with infrared photography - shuts up
[23:07] <eylul[m]> I really like the idea.
[23:08] <eylul[m]> that could be integrated into the reviewing all the apps project through?
[23:08] <eylul[m]> that way it is not two rounds of work...
[23:08] <StevenJayCohen> App selection is subjective, always is (vim vs emacs as an example)
[23:08] <eylul[m]> you are here is probably firefox, ubuntustudio-controls and libreoffice ducks the incoming object
[23:08]  * Eickmeyer throws nothing
[23:09] <eylul[m]> unless you are a student. :)
[23:09] <eylul[m]> well come on libreoffice addition at least deserved a popcorn thrown :))
[23:09] <StevenJayCohen> So, if it's free but closed source, it can't be in the Ubuntu Studio install, right?
[23:09] <eylul[m]> (libreoffice is actually in publishing category btw)
[23:09] <eylul[m]> (it actually has quite a few styling based features)
[23:10] <eylul[m]> short answer is yes.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Correct. It must be licensed to be freely redistributable and open source.
[23:11] <eylul[m]> (I mean some codecs and such do come with ubuntu... sort of)
[23:11] <StevenJayCohen> A venn diagram per section would be great (audio, photo, video, pub)
[23:11] <StevenJayCohen> show the DAW overlap
[23:11] <eylul[m]> audio photo video, 3D pub
[23:12] <StevenJayCohen> right
[23:12] <eylul[m]> yes I just added that category in
[23:12] <eylul[m]> (is trying really not to get sidetracked, the week of release candidate)
[23:16] <eylul[m]> Also Eickmeyer: permission to add Features: Audio to the title (previously it was just: Audio - which looks a bit out of context when you are viewing the page by itself)
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> eylul[m]: Yeah, sounds good.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> Would probalby need that for all of those pages.
[23:17] <eylul[m]> I am doing all of them at once
[23:17] <eylul[m]> was more giving the example of it
[23:20] <Eickmeyer> Ah, makes sense.
[23:20] <eylul[m]> :)
[23:21] <eylul[m]> oh grumble.
[23:22] <eylul[m]> it also changed the menu
[23:22] <eylul[m]> http://ubuntustudio.org/tour/audio/
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> eylul[m]: Oof, yeah, that doesn't work. Sorry.
[23:26] <eylul[m]> that should be fixable through
[23:26] <eylul[m]> give me a moment let me see if I can fix it via menu
[23:26] <eylul[m]> I think it can be
[23:27] <eylul[m]> yeah it can be fixed
[23:27] <eylul[m]> fixes
[23:27] <eylul[m]> then shakes fist at too smart wordpress
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> Yes, that works.
[23:30] <eylul[m]> Todo: add a blurb for krita, update the blurb for graphics.
[23:40] <eylul[m]> replaced openshot with GIMP for photography as that should have never happened. but TODO: add many photography software we have.
[23:49] <eylul[m]> I'll do a few emergency fixes I see to these later tonight or tomorrow for very obvious problems but we can review the rest when we do the inventory of where we are. now i need to go send my students their take-home midterms.
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> Ok, sounds good. :)