[00:39] <RenatoSilva> anyone know how to create a filter in synaptic for showing checked changes only from proposed?
[00:42] <RenatoSilva> also, how to exclude filters in synaptic? exclude button doesn't work, so I need to hack into the files...
[00:47] <RenatoSilva> RenatoSilva: remove manually from /root/.synaptic/filters
[00:47] <RenatoSilva> thanks
[01:42] <RenatoSilva> sorry guys but #ubuntu is mostly useless, sorry for asking here: can I safely do a sudo cp /etc/skel/.bashrc /root/.bashrc in Natty (11.04). Are they the same file in Natty????
[02:06] <RenatoSilva> thanks all anyway
[05:38] <AnAnt> Hello, what's the preferred bug title for merge requests ?
[05:39] <RAOF> AnAnt: Depends - do you want something to be merged, or do you want a merge sponsored?
[05:40] <AnAnt> to be sponsored
[05:40] <RAOF> “Please merge $FOO from $DEBIAN_RELEASE” is what I'd go with.
[05:40] <philipballew> hey, there's a package in apt-get thats like 6 years out of date. can i build a deb for it or sugest it gets updated for 11.10?
[05:43] <AnAnt> RAOF: and use merge tag ?
[05:43] <RAOF> philipballew: Certainly!
[05:43] <philipballew> its kismet
[05:43] <jmarsden> philipballew: Yes.  You can also check if it is being synced from Debian, and if so, talk with its existing maintainer, or become its maintainer :)
[05:43] <philipballew> i would love to be a maintainer!
[05:44] <philipballew> how can i learn!
[05:44] <RAOF> AnAnt: I guess; I generally don't look at tags, and it'll just hit the sponsoring queue, which I think I'm due to be wandering through tomorrow :)
[05:44] <AnAnt> RAOF: you sponsor main packages ?
[05:44] <RAOF> AnAnt: Now that I'm a core-dev, yes :)
[05:44] <jmarsden> philipballew: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/  is one place to start
[05:45] <AnAnt> RAOF: ah, congrats
[05:45] <philipballew> sounds like ill have some fun reading!!!
[05:45] <zooko> Folks: we're hoping to upgrade Tahoe-LAFS in Ubuntu to the new Tahoe-LAFS v1.9 (not yet released) when it is ready. It will have a new dependency -- on protovis. Does anyone want to package protovis for Ubuntu?
[06:34] <RenatoSilva> how to notify the propose guys some package should not go into mainstream, because it's buggy?
[06:34] <RenatoSilva> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald
[06:35] <RenatoSilva> proposed for natty is buggy, just tested, what works is the one from https://launchpad.net/~malteworld/+archive/compiz
[06:36] <RAOF> RenatoSilva: Post a follow up message to (one of) the SRU bugs the proposed package is intended to fix; it'll be marked verification-failed and will not be propogated to -updates.
[06:37] <RAOF> Or even propagated ;).  Also, man, we still have emerald in the archive?  And it works at all with the new compiz?
[06:37] <RenatoSilva> what's SRU? just forgot
[06:38] <jmarsden> RenatoSilva: Stable Release Update
[06:38] <RAOF> Stable Release Update; in order to get into -proposed that emerald package must have been marked as fixing at least one SRU bug.
[06:41] <RenatoSilva> RAOF: Emerald working nicely in Natty: http://www.videolog.tv/video.php?id=670508
[06:41] <philipballew> jmarsden, once i learn how to package, how can i get started with ubuntu?
[06:41] <RenatoSilva> the bug that points to that ppa which contains a 0.8.8 version of emerald, is not listed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald
[06:43] <RenatoSilva> however see comment 28 in Bug 733393
[06:43] <RenatoSilva> so it should be listed there on the package bugs, but can't find it!
[06:46] <RAOF> That's one of the SRU bugs; please follow up on that (or on bug #749047) if you've been testing the -proposed package and found a problem.
[06:47] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: its fix released in oneiric
[06:47] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: the non-series bug view shows bugs based on their conjoined-master task, and the conjoined-master is updated when the default-series task is changed.
[06:48] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: so that bug has a conjoined-master which is fix released and thats why yu can't see it
[06:50]  * RenatoSilva dizzy
[06:51] <RenatoSilva> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/+bug/733393/comments/31
[06:53] <RAOF> Note that we're not going to pull in a PPA package into the stable release :).
[06:54] <RenatoSilva> Just commented on the original bug where I found the solution to my problem, is that enough or I need to comment somewhere else?
[06:54] <RenatoSilva> RAOF: I think you can just pull the Oneiric's
[06:55] <RenatoSilva> RAOF: they're probably the same stuff
[06:55] <RAOF> We're unlikely to pull in oneiric's, either, although if the current version is *totally* broken then we might.
[06:56] <RenatoSilva> I mean pull from oneiric
[06:57] <RenatoSilva> oneiric contains the 0.8.8 package, then just use it in natty, that's my suggestion
[06:58] <RenatoSilva> RAOF: yes, the current version in release, 0.7.2-0ubuntu6, DOESN'T WORK
[06:59] <RenatoSilva> RAOF: it doesn't show up ANY border in the windows. I think it's just because current Natty's compiz is too new, and 0.8.8 is the one which works with the new compiz.
[07:00] <RenatoSilva> RAOF: just to be very clear: the proposed 0.7.2-0ubuntu6.1 doesn't work either (can't see right border)
[07:04] <RenatoSilva> I just want to help in the sense that (1) current emerald is totally broken (2) that fix in proposed is broken too (3) the 0.8.8 version works fine in natty (at least the one from that PPA, which is likely the same as the one pushed to Oneiric)
[07:04] <RAOF> Right.
[07:08] <RenatoSilva> ok so anything else I could do? Comment on another bug or something?
[07:16] <RenatoSilva> gotta go. I'm subscribed to that bug in any case
[07:16] <RenatoSilva> thanks all
[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[09:50] <oier> Hi, I uploaded a new package (an indicator)  I wrote to REVU, and I get an error about the maintainer field "The Maintainer field is invalid. It has to contain an @ubuntu.com address (usually the Ubuntu Developer Team's). The packager can leave his/her name as XSBC-Original-Maintainer. "
[09:51] <oier> since I wrote the package and intend to maintain it I don't understand the error
[09:51] <dupondje> What we do with a package that got removed in Debian?
[09:53] <oier> you can check the control file here http://paste.ubuntu.com/646361/
[09:53] <jtaylor> what the reason for the removal?
[09:55] <oier> BTW, I got a second question. Should the version number be 0.1 or 0.1-0ubuntu1? it has never be published before in debian or ubuntu
[09:56] <jtaylor> 0ubuntu1 then
[09:57] <oier> but the i get the error because of the maintainer field
[09:57] <oier> dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[09:58] <oier>  and also "dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field"
[09:58] <oier> does that mean that only ubuntu members can be maintainers?
[09:58] <jtaylor> ubuntu has no dedicated maintainer I think
[10:00] <oier> so what should i put in the maintainer field then?
[10:04] <jtaylor> I guess you can ignore that messages, its probably do prevent that ubuntu users spam debian maintainers with ubuntu bugs
[10:04] <jtaylor> but as there is no debian version that should not apply
[10:05] <Laney> we still usually use the list for maintainer and packager for XSBC-Original-Maintainer
[10:05] <dupondje> jtaylor: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633715
[10:09] <jtaylor> dupondje: sounds like it can be removed from ubuntu too only has a vote of 91, maybe ask the last ubuntu uploader
[10:10] <jtaylor> does someone have a working armel pbuilder? I fail to get mine working
[12:35] <rsajdok> Any suggestions? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1796856
[12:37] <Laney> ask in #gwibber for gwibber support
[12:37] <tumbleweed> rsajdok: you are running it in the source directory
[12:38] <tumbleweed> also: sudo setup.py install isn't easily uninstallable :)
[13:59] <jdstrand> fyi, here is the hardy supported list: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/ubuntu-cve-tracker/master/view/head:/hardy-supported.txt
[14:12] <oier> Hi, anyone up for reviewing indicator-bug? it's indicator that displays a list of bugs for  Launchpad projects that match the defined search settings (tags,status...) and notifies you if there a new bugs (for example if there are new bitesize bugs)
[14:13] <oier> I uploaded a candidate at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9147
[14:14] <jtaylor> Copyright: (C) YEAR THE PACKAGE'S COPYRIGHT HOLDER?
[14:15] <jtaylor> you can also drop the (C) its redundant
[14:17] <oier> done. thanks jtaylor
[14:18] <oier> anything else?
[14:19] <jtaylor> writing a comment at revu
[14:28] <jtaylor> oier: sent
[14:29] <jtaylor> as your upstream, the star should have a tooltip, its not clear that it opens the about dialog
[14:29] <jtaylor> in preferences
[14:29] <oier> ok thanks
[14:31] <jtaylor> can you only monitor one project with it?
[16:00] <dupondje> How can we get a new package in Ubuntu
[16:00] <dupondje> its already packaged by Debian
[16:01] <micahg> dupondje: requestsync
[16:02] <dupondje> ok done
[16:02] <dupondje> :D
[16:02] <dupondje> didn't know it was THAT easy :D
[16:02] <dupondje> héhé
[16:04] <Laney> providing you tested it works and said why we want the package in the sync request, yes
[16:07] <dupondje> http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/partclone.html
[16:07] <dupondje> quite nice to have no ?
[16:07] <Laney> dunno
[16:08] <dupondje> partition cloner
[16:08] <dupondje> used in clonezilla
[16:08] <dupondje> :)
[16:08] <dupondje> damn good stuff
[16:10] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/812388 there :D
[16:11] <Laney> you built it on oneiric?
[16:15] <dupondje> err forgot
[16:15] <dupondje> doing now
[16:16] <dupondje> builds :)
[16:16] <Laney> sync request (as a sponsor) mantra: builds installs (upgrades) runs, rationale
[16:16] <Laney> sponsoree
[16:17] <dupondje> :D
[16:18] <dupondje> gotto love the speed :D
[16:19] <oier> what is the format of a watch file if upstream is in Launchpad?
[16:20] <jtaylor> something like this:	 https://launchpad.net/nunitv2/+download .*/NUnit-([\d.]+)-src\.zip
[16:22] <oier> thanks
[17:11] <technomancy> Is this appropriate for getting this package updated in oneric, or should a separate sync request be filed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clojure/+bug/731979
[17:12] <micahg> technomancy: you can just edit that bug with the output from requestsync
[17:12] <micahg> technomancy: and then subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[17:13] <technomancy> micahg: thanks!
[17:13] <micahg> technomancy: oh, and reset the status back to new as well, thanks
[17:14] <technomancy> is it cutting it kind of close in terms of timing to make it into oneric, or is there a good chance it could land?
[17:15] <technomancy> I've got a new package I'd love to see make it in, but it has this plus three other deps that need to be synced.
[17:15] <micahg> technomancy: we're still 3 weeks out from feature freeze
[17:16] <technomancy> that sounds encouraging. =)
[17:17] <technomancy> hm; the package is clojure1.2 in sid, should that be considered a new package for the purposes of requestsync?
[17:18] <micahg> technomancy: yes
[17:20] <technomancy> so just take the output of requestsync and add it as a comment?
[17:20] <technomancy> it doesn't look like I can edit the description
[17:20] <micahg> technomancy: I'd just suggest a new request since it's for a new source
[17:21] <micahg> technomancy: is Debian deprecating the old sourcE?
[17:21] <oier> hi again, after addresing the packaging issues I had thanks to jtaylor, I am looking for some MOTUs to take a look at my package on REVU and upload it eventually http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9150
[17:21] <technomancy> micahg: I don't think so
[17:21] <sbeattie> clojure1.2 is already in oneiric, FYI.
[17:21] <oier> I would aprreciate your help very much
[17:21] <micahg> sbeattie: indeed :)
[17:22] <technomancy> sbeattie: oh dang; how did I miss that?
[17:23] <technomancy> I guess I was just looking at "clojure"
[17:23] <technomancy> ok, I must be dumb; I can't see how to close this bug I just created
[17:24] <sbeattie> technomancy: should be able to set the task state to invalid
[17:25] <technomancy> there we go; thanks
[17:25] <technomancy> it's my first day on launchpad; I guess I need to be cut some slack =)
[17:26] <dupondje> hoho
[17:26] <dupondje> we can do a mass sync :P
[17:27] <dupondje> tryton*
[17:38] <dupondje> Laney: we can sync https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdbc right :)
[17:38] <dupondje> bdrung: I testbuild all my sync reqs in pbuilder. So they all should build fine :)
[17:39] <bdrung> dupondje: that's my standard procedure. on which arch do you build them?
[17:39] <dupondje> amd64
[17:39] <bdrung> dupondje: building the packages does not consume the time. the time consuming part is to check the diffs
[17:40] <dupondje> well true :)
[17:45] <bdrung> dupondje: and 2 of 12 failed to build today. so that's a valid check.
[17:45] <bdrung> dupondje: even if you build them, they can ftbfs days later
[17:45] <dupondje> thats true
[17:47] <Laney> dupondje: yes, likely. Check the reverse dependencies are still installable with the new package.
[17:57] <technomancy> just loaded my GPG key into LP... feels like some James Bond stuff going on. =)
[17:59] <Ampelbein> lfaraone: hi! you don't need to request a freeze exception yet, feature freeze is still some 3 weeks away (august 11th) (regarding bug 812409)
[18:01] <dupondje> bdrung: dunno if your able to sync tryton-*
[18:01] <dupondje> thats like 40 packages :p
[18:01] <bdrung> dupondje: 40 packages?
[18:01] <bdrung> dupondje: i have enough for today.
[18:02] <Laney> erm
[18:02] <Laney> please, as we have repeatedly urged, exercise restraint when requesting syncs
[18:03] <micahg> dupondje: the only point in syncing them at this point is if the Debian uploaded added something on top of the Ubuntu patch
[18:03] <micahg> dupondje: otherwise, just wait for next cycle, or a new Debian upload with something we need
[18:04] <technomancy> why do I get "relay access denied" with requestsync? do I need to provide lp credentials or something?
[18:05] <Ampelbein> technomancy: that's a message from a smtp-server.
[18:05] <dupondje> cause it can't email :)
[18:06] <Daviey> technomancy: use requestsync --lp
[18:06] <technomancy> Daviey: thanks
[18:06] <Daviey> then it'll use the lp api, rather than mail.
[18:06] <Daviey> (/me ponders why that isn't the default.)
[18:07] <geser> technomancy: which ubuntu-dev-tools version do you use?
[18:07] <micahg> Daviey: not everyone wants to have an LP account/auth against it, I guess
[18:07] <Daviey> micahg: then they can use --mail :)
[18:07] <micahg> heh
[18:08] <Daviey> micahg: it's not like it's running a binary blob with credentials. :/
[18:08] <geser> Daviey: when --lp got added, I didn't want to change the default (mail) and till now there was no discussion about the default mode so it stayed that way
[18:09] <technomancy> geser: 0.104 on one machine; natty on another
[18:09] <Daviey> geser: I actually aliased it myself because i'm lazy.
[18:10] <technomancy> that worked; thanks
[18:10] <micahg> technomancy: 0.104 uses an old mail relay
[18:11] <geser> technomancy: u-d-t till version 0.115 has a smtp-server hardcoded which isn't a MX for launchpad.net anymore
[18:12] <oier> if some motu is bored and doesn't know on what to spend time, reviewing indicator-bug is fun! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9150
[18:12] <technomancy> worked fine with --lp after I ran manage-credentials; just would have appreciated a better error message
[18:12] <technomancy> anyway, got my sync requests in; sweet
[18:12] <Daviey> ScottK: Hey, How did you get on with those ARM boxes you were given for people to use?
[18:13]  * micahg thinks bored motu is an oxymoron
[18:24] <bdrung> dupondje: re bug 812454 were is the change "Change BD on haddock to ghc-haddock"?
[18:41] <lfaraone> Ampelbein: haha, sorry, lol.
[18:42] <lfaraone> Ampelbein: I got my freezes confused.
[18:42] <Ampelbein> ;-
[18:42] <Ampelbein> *;-)
[18:43] <lfaraone> Ampelbein: anyway, those bugs need to be fixed to fix a urgency: high bug in oneric.
[18:43] <lfaraone> lp 807860
[18:44] <Ampelbein> lfaraone: yeah, I guess someone from ~ubuntu-archive will run a sync soon-ish. There's quite some in the queue.
[18:44] <lfaraone> oh joy.
[18:48] <ScottK> Daviey: I'm hoping we'll get native support for them in Oneiric soon so they can be updated.  I do have one I can give MOTU access to if needed.
[19:18] <dupondje> bdrung: that seems a mistake indeed! My excuses
[19:19] <dupondje> Laney: http://packages.qa.debian.org/h/haddock.html haddock got removed in debian. Guess the package should be fixed in debian also. I see your the maintainer :)
[19:20] <micahg> dupondje: he's not the maintainer of that
[19:20] <dupondje> 'the package' = hdbc :)
[19:20] <dupondje> which uses haddock as bdep
[19:20] <micahg> ah
[19:21] <dupondje> But its evening :) time to stop doing things where I need to think :D
[22:08] <kernal> hi all!


[12:31] <K-Ryan> Not that that does anything for me...
[12:32] <CrunchyFerrett2> I knew better than to make this mistake
[12:32] <K-Ryan> I need a new computer but don't have the money for one
[12:32] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: You're probably missing something.
[12:32] <CrunchyFerrett2> Tried to encode a file with a codec that wasnt isntalled.
[12:32] <CrunchyFerrett2> *BONK*
[12:32] <TeraDyne> CrunchyFerrett2: XD Nice one.
[12:32] <K-Ryan> jhutchins: I've been all over this thing, there's no way I'm missing anything
[12:32] <jhutchins> CrunchyFerrett2: I've found avidemux2 and tovid very useful in authoring DVD's.
[12:32] <CrunchyFerrett2> Not trying to author a DVD
[12:32] <K-Ryan> Although if anyone has an okay computer they no longer use and feels like giving it to me, I'll pay shipping =)
[12:32] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: My philosophy has always been if somebody else can build it, I can take it apart and re-build it.
[12:33] <CrunchyFerrett2> trying to rip one to my library, so I can stick the DVD itself someplace safe
[12:33] <K-Ryan> jhutchins: I'm sure I could, I just lack the materials to rebuild it =)
[12:33] <CrunchyFerrett2> If I could only figure out why the rip process keeps failing at the last 5seconds, I'd be happier than a pig in ****
[12:33] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: It's possible that you need to do something like remove the front panel from the case first.
[12:34] <K-Ryan> Can't really do that
[12:34] <K-Ryan> This has a side panel that comes off
[12:34] <K-Ryan> That's it
[12:34] <jhutchins> Bigger hammer.
[12:34] <CrunchyFerrett2> ew
[12:34] <K-Ryan> ...
[12:34] <TeraDyne> XD
[12:34] <CrunchyFerrett2> 18.5 FPS encode rate.
[12:34] <CrunchyFerrett2> I have this laptop
[12:34] <CrunchyFerrett2> *hate
[12:35] <psycose> hi, using KDE with Ubuntu Feisty (i386, up to date KDE 3.5.6) lib Qt 3 & 4, i got lot's of undefined reference, all from QtScript module any tips thanks , here it is http://rafb.net/p/4PXPgA75.html
[12:35] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: I'll bet there's a way to get that front panel off.
[12:35] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: CD drives are usually meant to be servicible.
[12:35] <K-Ryan> Not this
[12:35] <K-Ryan> It's stuck in there until I rip the casing apart
[12:36] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: You pay shipping both ways, I'll replace the drive for what it costs me.
[12:36] <K-Ryan> What's the case going to look like when I get it back? =)
[12:37] <vzduch> o0
[12:37] <K-Ryan> "Case? What case? It didn't come with a case?"
[12:37] <TeraDyne> O_O;
[12:37] <TeraDyne> XD
[12:37] <jhutchins> K-Ryan: As good or better.  I usually charge $75 - $150/hr.
[12:37] <intelikey> hehhe      "hey, that's my lie and i'll stand by it until it changes"  *clinton*


[11:43] <hggdh> good morning
[12:49] <UrB> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/950413 - anyone with similar bluetooth chip care to confirm whether this is hardware related or just my computer acting up
[12:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 950413 in bluez "Bluetooth connections stalling" [Undecided,New]
[14:21] <bcurtiswx> good morning
[15:25] <shnatsel> Hello! I'm here because of bug 122637
[15:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 122637 in notification-daemon "notification-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_logv()" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122637
[15:26] <shnatsel> The bug is marked "won't fix" with a note to reopen the bug if more info can be provided
[15:26] <shnatsel> I've added GDB and Valgrind logs, also I run into this crash almost every time
[15:27] <shnatsel> I think the bug should be reopened, but it looks like commoners can't change status from "Won't fix" to anything else
[15:28] <shnatsel> so could anybody with the right permissions please reopen the bug?
[15:49] <greyback> shnatsel: the gdb isn't very useful I'm afraid. Can you capture it again, and then run "bt" to get the back-trace
[15:49] <shnatsel> greyback: ok, will do
[15:49] <hggdh> shnatsel: also, it would be better to open a new bug. This one most probably has nothing more to do -- really old release levels
[15:50] <shnatsel> hggdh: Apport redirects all crash reports to that bug
[15:50] <hggdh> shnatsel: and yes, indeed Won't Fix is a terminal status. Changes from Won't Fix (or Fix Released) need special permissions.
[15:50] <hggdh> shnatsel: oh. We will fix it
[15:51] <shnatsel> hggdh: well, not "all", but reports about this crash go to that bug
[15:52] <hggdh> enough to matter, anyway. Apport should not do that, not for that bug
[15:55] <bdmurray> there is a bugpattern for that bug which could be removed
[16:07] <shnatsel> I've installed debugging symbols for glib and gtk, got a backtrace from gdb and attached it to that bug
[16:15] <shnatsel> anything else I can do to get this fixed?
[16:19] <hggdh> shnatsel: open a NEW bug, please. This one is gone
[16:22] <shnatsel> hggdh: can I do it using apport now?
[16:38] <hggdh> shnatsel: I am updating the pattern, please wait a bit
[16:39] <shnatsel> hggdh: thanks, and no problem, I'll wait
[16:40] <hggdh> bdmurray: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~hggdh2/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns-122637/+merge/98452
[16:40] <hggdh> ?
[16:42] <bdmurray> hggdh: of course
[16:42] <cyphermox> om26er: so, news? :)
[16:43] <bdmurray> hggdh: the merge into branch is wrong
[16:44] <bdmurray> its showing lp:apport and it should be lp:~ubuntu-control/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns
[16:44] <om26er> cyphermox, its complext ;-) but the summary is my internet is broke (dead phone line) and I am using a really slow connection just for IRC so did not get around to test it
[16:44] <hggdh> dammit
[16:44] <cyphermox> om26er: np. in any case I ran this by upstream and there was indeed a leak there in upstream code
[16:44] <hggdh> correcting
[17:07] <hggdh> bdmurray: done, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~hggdh2/apport/bug122637/+merge/98459?
[18:27] <hggdh> shnatsel: you should now be able to open a new bug via apport
[18:28] <shnatsel> hggdh: thanks! will do
[19:50] <shnatsel> hggdh: reported the bug as 960556 (private until retraced), thanks a lot for your help!
[19:51] <hggdh> shnatsel: you are welcome.
[19:51] <hggdh> bug 960556
[19:52] <shnatsel> it's private, visible only to apport retracing service
[19:52] <hggdh> and to me ;-)
[19:53] <hggdh> shnatsel: there is already an update, apport is asking you to update your system and try again
[19:53] <shnatsel> hggdh: ah, thanks, will do
[21:48] <shnatsel> hggdh: re-reported the bug as bug 960642
[22:04] <shnatsel> hggdh: oh good, now it's been marked as duplicate of somebody else's private report :D
[22:36] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Someone found a bug that the current ISO's for 11.10 will not burn because they exceed the capacity of a CD
[22:36] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/960630
[22:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 960630 in brasero "Cannot burn Ubuntu Installation CD" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:36] <bkerensa> I just was able to reproduce this with both i386 and amd64 both easily exceeding the capacity of a CD
[22:41] <bkerensa> Can someone mark Bug #960489 as Wishlist
[22:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 960489 in calibre "Update to latest version for Sony Reader support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960489
[22:43] <micahg> bkerensa: that's not wishlist, it's incomplete as the bug was filed with the oneiric package version in mind, we already have the proper version in precise, might be a convert to backports bug if it's a possible to backport, checking
[22:44] <bkerensa> micahg: oversight on my part :P
[22:44] <micahg> we can probably backport that
[22:44] <bkerensa> sorry about that
[22:44] <micahg> so, I'd just move the bug to oneiric-backports
[22:44] <micahg> it's a project
[22:44] <bkerensa> ok


[00:02] <claydoh> ScottK: the bug reports list just on bko is quite big, though some issues in the ui seem fixed, such as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/862219
[01:38] <ScottK> yeah.  The U/I focus one seems resovled.
[01:38] <ScottK> claydoh: Just uploaded again...
[01:39] <claydoh> ScottK: fun fun
[02:41] <ScottK> claydoh: The upload I just did will also autostart the akonadi systray applet so people can restart when they need to.
[04:23] <ScottK> claydoh: I started getting your error after I switched to dimap and switching back doesn't seem to help.
[08:15] <wendar> Quintasan_: thanks, I'll try calling again with that number
[08:57] <Quintasan_> wendar: Did you get any reply?
[09:16] <wendar> Quintasan_: still no answer
[09:32] <Quintasan> wendar: Err, I'll call them like in 20 minutes. I bet they are wondering how to deal with email in English :)
[09:33] <wendar> Quintasan: if it's easier for them, you can have them call me at +44 7935 980104
[09:33] <wendar> Quintasan: (that way they can make sure to have an english speaker make the call)
[09:33] <Quintasan> I shall mention that to them.
[09:33]  * Quintasan jots down the number
[10:16] <allee_> oneiric: plasma-panel crash (4.7.1 oneiric and natty):  desktop RMB: add panel -> default panel    crashes
[10:18] <stikonas> Hello. I have a question on Kubuntu translations. Should I ask it here?
[10:18] <GirlyGirl> allee_: Reproduced on oneric 4.7.1
[10:19] <shadeslayer> allee_: GirlyGirl can i have a backtrace?
[10:20] <shadeslayer> and try reporting it if you have a good backtrace, maybe it's already been reported and fixed in 4.7.2
[10:20] <shadeslayer> interesting, crashes in trunk as well
[10:21] <Quintasan> wendar: Ahh, they are not picking my calls too, I wonder what the hell. I called them yesterday with no problems -_-
[10:22] <Quintasan> They are so asking for bashing
[10:22] <shadeslayer> aha, kde bug 264750
[10:23] <shadeslayer> kde bug 282552 as well
[10:46] <ryanakca> yofel_: Good question. You should be able to click on your login name, but moinmoin seems to complain about "Cannot load macro UserPreferences". Let me ask newz2000
[11:32] <Riddell> curious e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/130429/
[11:49] <wendar> Quintasan: they just called me. They'll send me an invoice, I'll make an international bank transfer, and once they verify it's gone through, you'll be able to pick it up.
[11:50] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeaccessibility] Rohan Garg * 117 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[11:57] <Quintasan> wendar: Yes, he called me too. You should get a email soon sice he forgot to ask the company details :)
[11:58] <Quintasan> How did the talk go btw.
[11:58]  * Quintasan is curious
[11:58] <Quintasan> ah snap no batter
[11:59] <Quintasan> ScottK: Curses, my Droid has even worse battery life now :S
[11:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Android was never supposed to have good battery life
[11:59] <shadeslayer> only lasts 16-18 hours for me
[12:00] <Quintasan> sup
[12:00] <Quintasan> 7 hours here
[12:00] <Quintasan> uplugged it at 0700
[12:00] <Quintasan> only gprs in use
[12:01] <Quintasan> and nit at all times
[12:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what ROM are you using O_O
[12:02]  * Quintasan = away
[12:02] <shadeslayer> ok, cya
[12:02] <Quintasan> ROM has nothing to do with this unfortunately :p
[12:02] <apachelogger> hm
[12:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: well, some ROM's report a awesome battery life
[12:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you upload l10n to ninjas?
[12:03] <apachelogger> my N series phones are idle most of the time and last at least 2 days without recharging :P
[12:03] <apachelogger> more like >3 actually
[12:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why?
[12:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: l10n always goes to archive directly, no?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> oh ... ok
[12:03] <apachelogger> oh, we are SRUing that one
[12:03] <shadeslayer> yus
[12:04] <apachelogger> well, even so
[12:04] <apachelogger> l10n would go to the target repo
[12:04] <apachelogger> s/repo/ppa
[12:04] <shadeslayer> right
[12:04] <apachelogger> for testing
[12:04] <apachelogger> no need to upload to ninjas and then break your neck when trying to copy all that stuff ^^
[12:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, I believe the harmattan uds ui is pretty much done
[12:05] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: eike replied back
[12:05] <shadeslayer> there's a channel for uikit
[12:05] <apachelogger> I started using the web api for the startup screen, so some refactoring could be done WRT data storage and all that
[12:05] <shadeslayer> #qt-lighthouse
[12:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cool
[12:06] <apachelogger> oh right
[12:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: are you around?
[12:10] <apachelogger> Sput: are splash screens common on symbian?
[12:10] <Sput> apachelogger: mmmh, haven't used symbian in a while
[12:10] <Sput> can't remember any splash screens
[12:10] <apachelogger> k
[12:10] <apachelogger> design spec doesnt seem to mention them either
[12:11] <Sput> maps app has one
[12:11] <Sput> (on N9)
[12:11] <Sput> but it's needed too
[12:11] <apachelogger> yeah, for harmattan it is explicitly mentioned that you should drop a splash when your app needs a bit to start up
[12:12] <apachelogger> ah, seems one either uses a fullscreen busy indicator or a very simple splash
[12:12] <apachelogger> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Resources/Library/Symbian_Design_Guidelines/progress-indication-and-distraction-graphics.html
[12:13] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: if that seems wrong please say so :P
[12:13]  * apachelogger is going to work a bit on the symbian UI
[12:20] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdegraphics-mobipocket] Rohan Garg * 22 * debian/ (changelog control) New upstream release
[12:30] <shadeslayer> ok, so, i think we need testers now
[12:30] <shadeslayer> i tested the upgrade in a chroot and it went fine
[12:31] <shadeslayer> no file overwrites or anything
[14:19] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: right, I have a working package with translations
[14:19] <Riddell> 6.8MB vs 2.8MB
[14:19] <Riddell> so do we have space and can it go in at this late stage or is it a case of oneiric-updates?
[14:43] <ScottK> Riddell: We're already shipping no language packs on the live CD.
[14:44] <ScottK> They've got ~4MB available though.
[14:44] <Riddell> squeeze is on
[14:44] <Riddell> I've uploaded to -updates, bug 868406
[14:45] <ScottK> Won't the translations get stripped anyway?
[14:49] <Riddell> ScottK: the .xml files are what counts
[14:52] <ScottK> Oh.
[16:59] <bambee> evening
[17:12] <bulldog98_> Riddell: thx
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> 12.04 LTS will be Precise Pangolin - http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784
[19:21] <bambee> Precise Pangolin... oh my... o.O
[19:22] <ScottK> Better than Oneiric.
[19:23] <bambee> oneiric is a nice name
[19:23] <DarkwingDuck> a Pengolin is a scaley ant eater
[19:25] <charlie-tca> and precise is much easier to remember and spell than oneiric
[19:28] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[19:28] <DarkwingDuck> There is a Pangolin at the San Diego Zoo... I'll have to go check one out.
[19:28]  * bambee suggests Pika Pikachu
[19:29] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL!
[19:29] <DarkwingDuck> bambee ++
[19:29] <bambee> :D
[19:31] <yofel> charlie-tca++
[19:32]  * yofel goes thanking mgraesslin for rewriting the screenlocker...
[19:34] <bambee> precise/main , precise/universe ... omg :'(
[19:54] <Quintasan> bambee: 12.04 will be so...accurate :D
[19:55] <bambee> lool :D
[19:55] <yofel> bah, didn't think about that, now we can't use precise anymore -.-
[19:55] <yofel> bambee: apologize to lool ;)
[19:56] <lool> hmpf
[19:56] <bambee> lool: sorry
[19:57] <lool> no problem, happens all the time  ;-)
[19:57] <yofel> ^^
[19:57] <bambee> I meant lol or loool :P
[19:57] <Quintasan> yofel: So...accurate
[19:57] <Quintasan> :D
[19:57] <Quintasan> :P
[19:57] <yofel> :D
[19:57] <Quintasan> I wonder where did Trouble go
[19:57] <Quintasan> I used to send him to shadeslayer
[19:58] <Quintasan> Precisely to cause him trouble
[19:58] <Quintasan> GOD DAMN YOU 12.04
[19:58] <Quintasan> durrr
[19:59] <jussi> bambee: you need to be more... err... precise... :P
[19:59] <Quintasan> FFFF
[19:59] <bambee> FFFF
[19:59] <bambee> arrf
[19:59] <bambee> :D
[19:59] <yofel> L@@L
[20:00] <yofel> hm, l00l would make more sense
[20:00]  * bambee adds a filter on the word "precise"  (with precision... of course :P)
[20:09] <shadeslayer> Precise Pangolin
[20:09] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[20:09] <shadeslayer> awesome name
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ah, so *that* was your intention
[20:11] <shadeslayer> i might have scared him away
[20:11]  * shadeslayer is good at doing that
[20:12]  * shadeslayer had half a pitcher of beer and is still not drunk
[20:12] <yofel> you don't get drunk from only that...
[20:13] <shadeslayer> ^^ clearly i missed something then
[20:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: the beer itself was quite light ... i think only 2-3 % alcohol content
[20:13] <yofel> ...
[20:14] <shadeslayer> thats what they allow here in India -.-
[20:14] <shadeslayer> get your own beer if you plan to visit :D
[20:43] <GirlyGirl> http://kde.org/info/4.7.2.php says below packages available for 11.04 and oneric ... isn't this incorrect?
[20:44] <yofel> it is, fixing
[20:59] <ryanakca> yofel: Canonical sysadmins said they'd look into it in the next few days.
[20:59] <yofel> thanks
[22:51]  * DarkwingDuck is now very very mad
[23:00] <Darkwing> Disney has formally requested that I stop using the trademarked name DarkwingDuck.
[23:02] <charlie-tca> Disney is like that-
[23:15] <apachelogger> Darkwing: I guess you must be famous now :)
[23:17] <Darkwing> apachelogger: I guess... yeesh.
[23:52] <Darkwing> Oh wow... Steve Jobs has passed away.
[23:52] <Darkwing> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-apple-ceo-dies/story?id=14383813
[23:53] <Darkwing> Say what you want about methodoligy... He was a true visionary.


[03:13] <gatotkatja> hello
[03:13] <gatotkatja> can I do this: --seed alsa-driver
[03:13] <gatotkatja> ??
[13:14] <rjune_wrk> Is there a hardware emulator for ARM that's worthwhile to work with?
[13:15] <dpb> Qemu?
[13:15] <ogra> not yet, lool is working on getting qemu support armv6/7
[13:15] <rjune_wrk> will Qemu emulate arm?
[13:15] <ogra> yes, but not the platform we support in karmic
[13:15] <rjune_wrk> joy
[13:16] <ogra> current qemu-system-arm only works with versatile (armv5)
[13:16] <ogra> which was fine for jaunty but wont help with karmic
[13:17] <rjune_wrk> ok, so hardware is required at this point
[13:18] <ogra> well, the qemu changes should be in soon
[13:18] <rjune_wrk> define soon?
[13:18] <ogra> then ... :)
[13:18] <rjune_wrk> *sigh*
[13:19] <rjune_wrk> Do you know if the GL stuff and clutter compile on the test systems yet?
[13:19] <ogra> i know lool has some code already but i'm not sure about the status ... he might already have a püackage in a PPA ...
[13:19] <ogra> (he's on a conf call as i am, wait until thats done, i'm sure he'll respond here)
[13:25] <rjune_wrk> ok
[13:54] <lool> Hi
[13:55] <lool> rjune_wrk: What are you trying to do?
[13:56] <rjune_wrk> lool: emulate the nonexistant freescale babbage
[13:56] <lool> rjune_wrk: qemu 0.9+ supports v7 CPUs fine (via cortex-a8), however it only supports up to 256 MB of RAM in versatile; I've been working on building a qemu for buildds which would have more emulated RAM, support v7 and be as fast as possible: SMP if possible
[13:57] <lool> rjune_wrk: I think it's a large project to emulate imx51 fully if you're not already familiar with qemu; perhaps you should wait for the platform to be available in volume instead?
[13:57] <rjune_wrk> I don't want to write the emulator.
[13:57] <rjune_wrk> If the emulator works though, I wanted to use it to poke at UNR
[13:58] <rjune_wrk> lool: you're on ogra's team right?
[14:07] <lool> rjune_wrk: We are in the same team
[14:08] <lool> rjune_wrk: You can emulate ARM systems with qemu, just not imx51/Babbage
[14:08] <lool> rjune_wrk: I don't think UNR in qemu is going to bring you a long way
[14:15] <rjune_wrk> You mean you don't  think I'll get very far with it?
[14:15] <rjune_wrk> lool: ^
[14:16] <rjune_wrk> I don't either, which is the point.
[14:18] <lool> rjune_wrk: I don't think you will be happy with UNR in Qemu, no
[14:19] <lool> It's going to be pure software clutter/gl rendering so terribly slow, even more so under armel emulation...
[14:19] <lool> And there's no GL passthrough for Qemu nor any emulated card with GL
[14:19] <rjune_wrk> lool: PM for a sec?
[14:19] <lool> rjune_wrk: Are you a registered freenode user?  (I don't see messages from non-registered users)
[14:19] <rjune_wrk> I am
[14:20] <lool> Well feel free, sure
[14:20] <rjune_wrk> I just applied for a position on your team
[16:14] <mcasadevall> I need someone who's got an ARM/karmic box or board running to test something
[16:14] <mcasadevall> any takers?
[16:15] <ogra> anything big ?
[16:15] <mcasadevall> ogra, thunderbird from a PPA
[16:15] <ogra> or time consuming ?
[16:15] <ogra> url ...
[16:15] <mcasadevall> ogra, not really, just grab TB2 from my PPA, make sure it installs
[16:16] <mcasadevall> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mcasadevall/+archive/ppa
[16:16] <mcasadevall> You might need https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa as well
[16:16] <mcasadevall> (asac uploaded the new build-deps to karmic, but I'm not sure if they built yet_
[16:18] <ogra> Hole:7 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages [2969B] ...
[16:18] <ogra> somehow i think it would be nice of apt to tell me *which* ppa
[16:19]  * ogra has that line for each PPA ... indeed i wont know every from which one that line comes ...
[16:19] <mcasadevall> heh
[16:19] <ogra> its pulling packages
[16:21] <mcasadevall> \o/
[16:22] <ogra> running TB .... it wants me to import stuff ...
[16:22] <mcasadevall> That's normal, the segfault happens after that, but before the main screen
[16:22] <ogra> it should really be cleverer
[16:22] <mcasadevall> so if you get the main window, we're in business
[16:23] <ogra> got it on my laptop ... (through ssh -Y from the babbage2)
[16:24] <mcasadevall> ogra, cool, I'll tell asac to upload (I just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything in my local environment causing a false postive)
[16:24] <ogra> its a bit annoying if you dont want to set up an account ...
[16:24] <ogra> addressbook works too
[16:24] <ogra> mcasadevall, i'd say well done :)
[16:25] <mcasadevall> ogra, sweet. I already tried downloading my inbox so i think its more or less fixed
[16:25] <mcasadevall> (although I won't be suprised was if someone broke it with a well placed advanced option)
[16:33] <persia> Quick.  try all the plugins :)
[16:34] <ogra> ther are called extensions in thunderbird :P
[16:36] <persia> Oh, right.


[15:49] <joey> boredandblogging: Nick! I know you really really want to reply to that new new team member who posted on the email list!
[15:50] <joey> especially since I'm getting ready to go out of the country for a while :-)
[16:11] <boredandblogging> heh
[16:11] <boredandblogging> joey: i liked corey's reply
[16:15] <tyche> Can we just "unsubscribe" the guy, for cause?
[16:16] <boredandblogging> heh
[16:16] <joey> boredandblogging: well... I seem to have missed corey's reply
[16:17] <tyche> "Welcome to the internet."
[16:18] <tyche> Mahesh Kale was a bit more direct:  "Definitely a SPAM. "
[16:18] <jcastro> boredandblogging: I was also looking for you over here!
[16:19] <jcastro> boredandblogging: the ubuntu one services are changing their domain names today and would like it on the fridge and all that, I am working on getting you all the info you would need.
[16:22] <boredandblogging> jcastro: ok
[17:37] <jcastro> boredandblogging: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-users/msg00190.html
[17:56] <boredandblogging> jcastro: ok
[17:56] <jcastro> \o/


[23:49] <adpereira> i thought it was a matter of the nvidia drivers or may be xorg.conf, but tried reinstalling with EnvyNG and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with no success.
[23:49] <Fryguy--> shingalated: did you specify namevirtualhost for the interface you are listening on anywhere
[23:49] <Eric7> in all i need glibc-devel, python-gobject-devel, and libglib2-devel packages
[23:49] <imaginator> Forest: by the way, you can confirm if the ln worked by using ls -l in ~/.mozilla/plugins for the java plugin, or with a file manager.
[23:49] <Gnutoo> hello,my brother has an eeepc 700 and he liked the xandros interface but needed more software so he installed ubuntu...but now there is ubuntu MID edition...is it possible to install software such as vlc,wine,amsn etc...in the MID edition...and i suppose i will have to customise the kenrel no?
[23:49] <shingalated> brandano:  yes if i ping the hosts externally they resolve to the correct IP
[23:49] <Fryguy--> shingalated: i set up my virtualhosts using a completely different method (ip based virtualhost entries and then servername directives)
[23:49] <drod> I need to make room for my solaris installation, how can I reduce the partition for ubuntu?
[23:50] <Fryguy--> drod: use gparted
[23:50] <shingalated> Fryguy, can I see your config?
[23:50] <Fryguy--> shingalated: no
[23:50] <Forest> imaginator: it seems i may be missing a folder: ns7/lib
[23:50] <ikonia> drod: use a tool such as gparted, although shrinking any partition comes with a risk
[23:50] <gway9000> adpereira: my box freezes on some then i have to reboot
[23:50] <Forest> imaginator: nvm lol
[23:50] <drod> Fryguy, thanks...so I use gparted livecd right?
[23:50] <Fryguy--> drod: sure
[23:50] <Eric7>  python-gobject-devel?
[23:50] <lenix_> any idea why i can't ping other ubuntu machines on my lan ? i'm also getting <IP_ADDRESS> ip when i ping my pc hostname
[23:51] <Storrgie> anyone use DMRAID? I need a little help
[23:51] <Eric7> gonna do a search
[23:51] <imaginator> drod: google for resize ext3
[23:51] <Forest> imaginator: would it have anything to do with a
[23:51] <ikonia> lenix_: because your hostname will be mapped to <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/hosts
[23:51] <Fryguy--> lenix_: what's the ip of the other machine you are trying to ping, and what are you typing to ping it?
[23:51] <imaginator> drod: there should be a tool for specifically doing that I think
[23:51] <Forest> imaginator: would it have anything to do with a libnullplugin.so?
[23:51] <drod> Fryguy, thanks...I will try now..I guess that you dont see me around it would mean I failed...solaris says I need to manually print and rewrite grub
[23:51] <Fryguy--> lenix_: and getting <IP_ADDRESS> when you ping your own machine is perfectly normal, <IP_ADDRESS> is the localhost loopback interface
[23:51] <drod> imaginator, thanks, I think I will try live cd
[23:51] <imaginator> Forest: no.  the libnullplugin.so is the default Mozilla plugin.  It's displayed when no other plugin can handle the web page object.
[23:51] <ikonia> Fryguy--: it's only normal if you don't have an ip address
[23:52] <lenix_> Fryguy--,  /home/lenix# ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:52] <lenix_> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[23:52] <lenix_> and it hangs on that last line
[23:52] <Forest> imaginator: do you know where I should put the ns7 folder?
[23:52] <ikonia> lenix_: is this a wired or wirless lan ?
[23:52] <imaginator> Forest: it should come with the JDK or JRE
[23:52] <lenix_> i also can't ping my machine from the other ubuntu machine
[23:52] <Forest> imaginator: i have a mozilla/plugins, a firefox-3.0/plugins and etc
[23:52] <lenix_> ikonia,  wired
[23:52] <gway9000> ensure host name is listed where <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/hosts
[23:52] <shingalated> Fryguy, no where should I add that?
[23:52] <ikonia> lenix_: ok, so "ifconfig eth0"
[23:52] <ikonia> lenix_: can you put that in a pastebin please.
[23:53] <Fryguy--> shingalated: at the top of one of the site-availables, or in the main httpd.conf
[23:53] <lenix_> ikonia,  eth0 is the lan socket for my adsl modem
[23:53] <lenix_> eth1 is the network one
[23:53] <Cew27> anyone looking for a forum that isnt overcrowded join www.linux-forums.co.uk
[23:53] <Eric7> nothing found for python-gobject-devel
[23:53] <ikonia> lenix_: ok, so show me eth1
[23:53] <Eric7> so i search gobject?
[23:53] <Fryguy--> Eric7: just search for gobject then
[23:53] <Fryguy--> Eric7: common sense is helpful in situations like this
[23:54] <lenix_> ikonia,  http://pastebin.com/m5c1e12f5
[23:54] <Eric7> python-gobject-dev - Development headers for the GObject python bindings sounds good?
[23:55] <ikonia> lenix_: that card has no ip address, thats why you can't ping anything
[23:55] <lenix_> ikonia,  any idea how can i fix that?
[23:55] <ikonia> lenix_: give it an ip address
[23:55] <gway9000> lenix_: ensure host name is listed where <IP_ADDRESS> is in /etc/hosts
[23:55] <Fryguy--> that's eth1, where is eth0
[23:56] <lenix_> Fryguy--, eth0 is the ethernet used for my adsl modem, which is working just fine
[23:56] <Fryguy--> lenix_: and what is eth1
[23:56] <lenix_> is my lan card
[23:56] <Forest> imaginator: after copying links to every plug-in thing, java still does not work
[23:56] <Fryguy--> lenix_: .. how do you have your network set up
[23:56] <imaginator> Forest: that's because you can't copy the link, unfortunately
[23:56] <imaginator> Forest: it depends on a symbolic link from what I recall
[23:57] <imaginator> Forest: I'll paste how mine is setup
[23:57] <Forest> imaginator: no, like, I used the command on all the directories
[23:57] <ariqs> is pidgin updated for ubuntu yet?
[23:57] <lenix_> Fryguy--,  ? normally, connected to a router
[23:57] <Forest> imaginator: sure
[23:57] <Fryguy--> ariqs: getdeb.net
[23:57] <lenix_> Fryguy--, i have 2 ethernets in my case, one for the adsl modem, one for lan router
[23:58] <Fryguy--> lenix_: so why not just plug the router into adsl?
[23:58] <Storrgie> has anyone setup a creative XFI card ?!
[23:58] <Fryguy--> and then plug all of the computers in that, and not create a separate lan subnet?
[23:58] <EagleScreen> ubuntu has its own gspca driver isnt?
[23:58] <BluntObject> Storrgie: What is an XFI card?
[23:58] <Eric7> got gobject but i guess i still need the last one
[23:58] <imaginator> Forest: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24837/
[23:58] <Storrgie> creative X-FI
[23:58] <EagleScreen> what happens if i want to install and use another gspca driver?
[23:59] <Storrgie> sound card
[23:59] <Fryguy--> Storrgie: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+xfi&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[23:59] <Eric7> libglib2-devel
[23:59] <protractor> hello, do anyone know a new package of LICQ that include the same icq fix that the new pidgin from getdeb.net have?
[23:59] <BluntObject> Thx. Nice.
[23:59] <imaginator> Forest: does that make sense?
[23:59] <EagleScreen> i would like compile and install other gspca
[23:59] <lenix_> Fryguy--, its a network between 2 houses, we're not sharing internet, but only for data transfer etc..
[23:59] <lenix_> so each house have its adsl


[13:23] <jcristau> what's LP: #310126?
[13:26]  * crevette would liek to know also :)
[13:27] <jcristau> the changes aren't in git, either, so...
[15:51] <tjaalton> bug 310126
[15:51] <tjaalton> duh
[15:52] <tjaalton> and lp doesn't like the browser on my e71
[16:19] <tjaalton> marijus: you asked about the dri2 error: it's because the driver version doesn't support dri2
[16:20] <marijus> thanks
[16:21] <marijus> i installed 2.6 branch now... and it works somehow
[16:22] <tjaalton>  ok
[16:22] <marijus> but there seems to be a bug in intel master atm
[16:25] <marijus> cant log into x... it says xserver-xorg-video-intel: fails to start (No valid modes)
[17:34] <tseliot> tjaalton: do you prefer a debdiff or some other kind for xorg-server for this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/254468
[17:34] <tseliot> I attached the debdiff
[18:08] <tjaalton> tseliot: it's been discussed on #xorg-devel, and the drawback is lower performance
[18:09] <tjaalton> ..but right now ajax is suggesting something that might replace it
[18:09] <tseliot> tjaalton: yes, I've just noticed.
[18:09] <tseliot> good
[18:10] <tseliot> tjaalton: can't we drop the patch and wait for the new fix to land in X? KDE has serious problems with the patch
[18:15] <tjaalton> guess so
[18:19] <tjaalton> jcristau: the bug you mentioned might be a security hole or something :)
[18:20] <jcristau> tjaalton: i figured. that's why i wanted to see what it was about.
[19:16] <crevette> hey
[19:19] <crevette> is it safe to use the packages for xorg-edgers for one being using jaunty
[19:20] <tjaalton> why would you want to do that?
[19:20] <crevette> me :)
[19:20] <tjaalton> why :)
[19:20] <tjaalton> ?
[19:21] <crevette> is seems there some package for jaunty, specifically I'd be interested to test intel driver
[19:21] <crevette> anyway, I'm off for dinner few minuteds
[19:21] <tjaalton> you can rebuild it on jaunty
[19:22] <tjaalton> but the binary package probably won't install because AIUI those are built against xserver-xorg-dev from intrepid
[19:23] <jcristau> easier to just build from git
[20:54] <bryce> up to 15" of snow now, around my house (esp. piling up on the deck)
[20:54] <bryce> never seen so much snow before, other than up in the mountains
[22:23] <tjaalton> bryce: wow, and we got none :/
[22:24] <bryce> delivery mixup probably
[22:27] <tjaalton> yeah probably
[22:53] <pwnguin> i saw some pictures on the planet
[22:53] <pwnguin> but portland isnt all that far from seattle
[22:54] <pwnguin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOyM6gFFKAg
[22:59] <tjaalton> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=am9pJTRShHE
[23:01] <pwnguin> meh
[23:01] <tjaalton> yeah that was a bad one :/
[23:01] <tjaalton> but there are others
[23:02] <pwnguin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm9dWGp1lOA
[23:04] <pwnguin> we lost power for a week
[23:04] <pwnguin> finals week, to be specific
[23:05] <bryce> pwnguin: ugh
[23:05] <tjaalton> http://cityskip.blogspot.com/2006/01/tree-of-ice.html
[23:07] <tjaalton> better versions here http://www.markdaviesmedia.com/cold
[23:09] <pwnguin> well, thats a lake, and its cold
[23:09] <pwnguin> we have no mountains here
[23:09] <tjaalton> unfair comparison :)
[23:10] <bryce> heh yeah I just pulled a foot-long icicle off my wife's car
[23:11] <bryce> it's weird having over a foot of snow on top of a car.  Looks like an SUV now
[23:11] <tjaalton> and handles like one, I bet
[23:11] <bryce> still better gas mileage tho ;-)
[23:11] <tjaalton> :)
[23:33] <bryce>  photos from right now - http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/Photos/SnowStorm2008/


 vp62 (re @join_captcha_bot: )
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 hi
 i wanna add a better  repos to my system
 By chance are looking for the backports PPA? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
 Pipewire and nvidia drivers also have PPA's.
 And how to make it default?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[23:45] <SpeedStick> ?


[06:14] <seffyroff> Hello folks!  I'm in early stages with my discovery project to spin up MaaS inside a Docker container, right now I'm seeing some errors related to the tgt service not starting, and some ntp resolution socket errors too - as I'm running in a containerized snap, I theorized that there's some additional channels I could connect for a more relaxed runtime environment
[06:28] <seffyroff> the tgt service being the main roadblock as my rackd won't sync images
[07:07] <seffyroff> i wondered if I'm hitting the OOM issue that tgt (once) had?
[07:38] <parlos> I'm hoping to use MAAS as a orchestrator in a lab environment. Hence; I under stood that the way to go is to have multiple user accounts, and then acquire hosts to that user. Now; can I as an admin assign nodes to a user, or can this only be done from the user account?
[07:39] <parlos> Good Morning
[07:40] <seffyroff> hmm, looks like the tgt changes for 2.4.0 might help me here
[07:40] <seffyroff> i guess there's no snap for that?
[08:03] <roaksoax> seffyroff: not yet
[08:03] <roaksoax> snas in 18.04 are currently broekn
[08:04] <seffyroff> ok thanks for the heads up.
[08:04] <seffyroff> I'll try some other approaches to getting this working
[08:06] <roaksoax> seffyroff: you should probably look at 2.3.1
[08:06] <roaksoax> it had a tgt fix running in containers (lxc)
[08:06] <seffyroff> yup, db migrations happening as we speak
[08:07] <seffyroff> thanks!
[08:09] <roaksoax> parlos: there's no suhc way to assign a machine to a user. Users/admins have acces to a machine pool, and they can allocate themselves a machine
[08:10] <parlos> roaksoax: so, if I want to limit what nodes a user can use, I have to login as user an acquire the nodes as that user... any plans for that?
[08:39] <seffyroff> actally roaksoax i do see a 2.4.0 snap, but I guess it'll sulk if I try to install it on a Xenial host?
[08:40] <seffyroff> channels:
[08:40] <seffyroff>   stable:          2.3.0-6434-gd354690-snap        (1349) 101MB -
[08:40] <seffyroff>   candidate:       2.3.1-6470-g036d646-snap        (1868) 100MB -
[08:40] <seffyroff>   beta:            2.3.1-6470-g036d646-snap        (1868) 100MB -
[08:40] <seffyroff>   edge:            2.4.0~alpha2-6630-gc925539-snap (1857) 97MB  -
[08:47] <seffyroff> hm, tgt still wouldn't start from 2.3.1 snap inside a docker container.  It does start if I snap install to the host itself though.
[10:18] <roaksoax> seffyroff: the 2.4 snap requires ubuntu core 18
[10:18] <aln> is anyone able to answer a basic question about the API?
[10:18] <roaksoax> seffyroff: which is still in development
[10:19] <seffyroff> noted, thanks
[10:19] <seffyroff> looks like i'll go for package install, which I was leaning towards anyway so I can apply a downstream WOL patch
[10:20] <seffyroff> although possibly similar could be accomplished with snap scriptlets
[10:20] <roaksoax> aln: sure, just ask your question and if soneone knows the answerm, they will reply
[10:21] <seffyroff> it'll potentially produce a cleaner container also.  So much low level hackery to get snap running in the contaienr first, then maas requires several additional hacks to work within snap within a container >.<
[10:22] <aln> i want to deploy a machine with the api using `/machines/{system_id}/?op=deploy`. i would have expected it to take boot-resource ID as a parameter but instead it takes distro_series and hwe_kernel.
[10:23] <aln> i tried to fetch information about the boot-resource from `/boot-sources/{id}/`, but this does not return any information that seems to fit into distro_series or hwe_kernel.
[10:23] <aln> how can i issue a deploy via the api and specify the boot-resource/image i want to use?
[10:23] <aln> (deploy works, i just can't get it to use anything other than the default image)
[10:24] <aln> oops - second url should be `/boot-resource/{id}/` of course
[10:25] <roaksoax> aln: deploy distro_series=xenial
[10:25] <roaksoax> aln: hwe_kernel=hwe-16.04
[10:25] <roaksoax> aln:         "name": "ubuntu/xenial",
[10:26] <roaksoax> aln:         "subarches": "generic,hwe-p,hwe-q,hwe-r,hwe-s,hwe-t,hwe-u,hwe-v,hwe-w,ga-16.04,hwe-16.04,hwe-16.10"
[10:26] <aln> u'name': u'ubuntu/xenial',
[10:26] <aln> u'subarches': u'generic,hwe-p,hwe-q,hwe-r,hwe-s,hwe-t,hwe-u,hwe-v,hwe-w,ga-16.04'
[10:26] <aln> yeah, sorry haha
[10:26] <roaksoax> aln: yeah, although the subarches you can only use ga-16.04, hwe-16.04, etc
[10:26] <roaksoax> at least that's on ym streams
[10:27] <aln> okay
[10:27] <aln> and this works with custom non-linux images too?
[10:27] <aln> so, u'name': u'windows/win2012r2'
[10:27] <aln> u'subarches': u'generic',u'name': u'windows/win2012r2'
[10:28] <aln> i can specify win2012r2 and generic?
[10:28] <roaksoax> aln: for non-ubuntu deployments, you dont need to set the hwe_kernel
[10:28] <roaksoax> aln: the hwe_kernel is only really valid for ubuntu, because that's the kernle the machine will be running post deployment
[10:28] <aln> yes of course, thanks
[10:29] <roaksoax> aln: as for windows, distro_series=win2012r2
[10:29] <roaksoax> aln: it should workt distro_series=windows/win2012r2
[10:29] <roaksoax> but doens't necessarily
[10:29] <aln> yeah, it didn't for me
[10:29] <roaksoax> but it is not necessary
[10:29] <roaksoax> ok, yeah that seems like a bug
[10:34] <aln> roaksoax: thanks for the help, but afraid this didn't work
[10:34] <aln> issuing request with distro_series=windows2012r2 makes it deploy xenial
[10:36] <roaksoax> aln: it doens't deployxenial, it pxe boots into xenial to deploy windows
[10:36] <aln> status: Deploying Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[10:36] <roaksoax> aln: ah1 that's stranger
[10:36] <roaksoax> strange
[10:36] <roaksoax> what version you using ?
[10:36] <aln> of maas?
[10:36] <aln> 2.3.0
[10:38] <roaksoax> aln: so I'm looking at our CI, and we use maas <user> machine deploy distro_series=win2012hrv2
[10:38] <roaksoax> win2012hvr2
[10:39] <roaksoax> so aln we test that path
[10:39] <aln> Deploying Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[10:39] <aln> but presumably that's what is after the slash in your boot-resource's name
[10:40] <roaksoax> right, so if boot-resource's name is <os>/<series> on distro_series= just use the <series>
[10:40] <aln> yeah
[10:40] <aln> Deploying Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[10:40] <roaksoax> aln: also, if you are talking directly to the API, not via the CLI
[10:41] <roaksoax> aln: you should look at: https://github.com/maas/python-libmaas
[10:45] <aln> i did have a look at this, but we decided just to interface directly, as we don't need to use it much (='my boss told me to do it this way')
[10:45] <roaksoax> gotcha
[10:45] <aln> looking though the library for an example of the call being made for deploy, but it's pretty abstracted
[11:17] <aln> if anyone reads my messages above and think they can help, i made a post here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1013371/specifying-boot-resource-for-maas-api-deploy
[13:27] <ipat8> Quick question for you guys
[13:27] <ipat8> Is there a newer version of the maas-image-builder?
[13:28] <ipat8> I can't seem to BZR branch it
[13:32] <ipat8> ChanServ Who is allive?
[13:32] <ipat8> *allive
[13:32] <ipat8> *alive
[13:55] <neferty> i set up some VMs with manual power management and it seems like they never become ready, is this intentional?
[13:57] <wiro> neferty: they should be ready after commisioning, then you have to turn them off manualy
[13:57] <neferty> i have turn them off? eh, alright
[13:58] <wiro> no necessary, it should be on byt after commisioning it reched ready state, if not then there should be some error
[13:58] <wiro> in test or commision
[13:59] <neferty> oh hold on, i think i misunderstood when a machine is considered ready, my mistake
[16:15] <mup> Bug #1754697 opened: [FFe] Standing FFe for MAAS 2.4 <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754697>


[01:33] <sn9> 2.6.15-13 segfaults on boot. anybody interested in details?
[01:35] <cjb> I'm not one of the developers, but I haven't heard of a bug like that; I think you should file a bug report.  Did previous kernels work?
[01:36] <sn9> it's mostly a breezy system with a few packages from dapper. 2.6.15-9 worked considerably better than the breezy kernel
[01:38] <sn9> someone evidently borked the keywest i2c driver after that
[01:38] <sn9> that's what segfaults
[01:38] <cjb> .. or it's your mix or kernel/userland.
[01:39] <cjb> s/or/of/
[01:39] <sn9> i have the dapper udev
[01:41] <sn9> the system still boots like nothing's wrong, but things that rely on i2c are borked, like alsa
[01:42] <sn9> dmesg is what revealed the segfault
[03:32] <mxpxpod> BenC: ping
[03:54] <fabbione> BenC: no it was firewire and another one that i can't remember
[04:05] <psusi> fabbione, ahh, you're back from vacation I see?  enjoyed it I hope?  before you left you asked why I reassigned the dmraid bug to you instead of adam conrad?  he said he had no idea why it was assigned to him and that I should switch it to you
[04:09] <fabbione> psusi: ok, in anycase since the package is in universe you can just ask MOTU to look/upload it
[04:09] <fabbione> there is no need of me doing it
[04:09] <psusi> ok....  right now i'm working on properly udebifying it and integrating it into partman...
[04:10] <fabbione> i am really of no use for it as it is
[04:10] <fabbione> i still didn't get to look at the kernel problem i am having
[04:10] <psusi> kernel problem eh?
[04:10] <fabbione> = my system doesn't see the disks
[04:11] <psusi> you aren't using both sata and pata are you?
[04:11] <fabbione> i only have pata
[04:11] <psusi> it seems current kernels don't like mixing the two
[04:11] <psusi> ohh
[04:11] <fabbione> nothing like that
[04:11] <fabbione> the controller module is loaded
[04:11] <psusi> wow, so it just doesn't see the disks at all eh?
[04:11] <fabbione> but it sees no disks
[04:11] <psusi> which controller is this?
[04:11] <psusi> promise?
[04:12] <fabbione> 0000:00:08.0 RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20378 (FastTrak 378/SATA 378) (rev 02)
[04:12] <psusi> I believe the via module has to program the controller to run in non raid mode for the disks to show up normally, then it hands off to libata... maybe the promise module doesn't do that part?
[04:12] <psusi> do the disks show up if you tell the bios to use non raid mode?
[04:13] <psusi> ok... so that is the controller that supports both pata and sata... but you only have pata drives plugged in?
[04:13] <fabbione> i didn't check anything yet
[04:13] <fabbione> -ENOTIME
[04:13] <fabbione> and -ELOWINTEREST
[04:13] <psusi> I've seen a lot of problem reports about that controller and pata in recent kernels, but I had thought it was from trying to use both at once
[04:13] <psusi> hehe
[04:15] <psusi> earlier on in the bug history, you mentioned that it should eventually be assigned to installer-integration I think it was?   is it time for that now?
[04:16] <fabbione> psusi: not without udeb and main inclusion report
[04:16] <fabbione> you will need to test it first
[04:16] <fabbione> + you are doing the installer integration
[04:17] <fabbione> nobody knows better than you what you are doing
[04:17] <psusi> ok.... I'll keep working on that then.... I think the udeb is ready... just need to modify partman to use it correctly from the setup cd.... espresso install from livecd should be easy though once that's working
[04:17] <psusi> I guess I should start working on a main inclusion report then too eh?
[04:18] <fabbione> psusi: the main inclusion report is a wiki page.. get teh code for partman working first
[04:18] <psusi> ok....
[04:18] <psusi> yea, I've seen the page
[05:16] <dilinger> dapper + cryptdisks (dm-crypt) + 3ware + raid5 (swraid) + 700gb data is giving me such headaches :/
[05:17] <dilinger> getting random unreproducible read errors
[05:18] <psusi> poke at it with smartctl?
[05:18] <dilinger> yea, already did
[05:18] <dilinger> no smart errors, lm-sensors think everything is fine
[05:19] <psusi> was getting some odd access denied errors in my daily backups on a server at work the last few days... had smartctl make it do it's long internal test... had a few completely unreadable sectors, and a TON of recoverable errors...
[05:19] <fabbione> dilinger: meh dude....
[05:20] <dilinger> psusi: also, rechecking is valid
[05:20] <dilinger> psusi: ie, flac -t foo.flac will fail the first time, succeed the second time
[05:20] <psusi> ohh, that's nice
[05:20] <psusi> anything interesting in dmesg?
[05:20] <dilinger> but it's about 3 flac files out of about 700GB
[05:20] <dilinger> nope
[05:20] <dilinger> kernel doesn't see any errors at all
[05:21] <dilinger> i've only done smart short tests, though
[05:21] <psusi> my via controller gets timeouts after I resume from suspend... it seems it needs longer than the kernel is willing to wait to wake back up
[05:21] <dilinger> i guess i can schedule some long tests
[05:21] <psusi> increased the timeout duration fixed it
[05:21] <psusi> do the long one, yea... short doesn't seem to do much
[05:21] <dilinger> this would be a lot easier if i could reproduce it easier.. as it stands, it takes about 2 days to run the full test
[05:22] <psusi> also look at smartctl -A... see if it reports a number of recoverable errors
[05:22] <psusi> why does it take 2 days?
[05:22] <psusi> takes me ~30 mins on my 10,000 rpm drives here... took ~85 mins on the big 7200 rpm drives on the server at work
[05:22] <dilinger> 'cause it's 700gb of data :)
[05:22] <psusi> spread on multiple drives
[05:23] <psusi> all the drives can be doing their tests at once ;)
[05:42] <hub> hi
[05:42] <hub> I have a huge kernel regression
[05:42] <hub>  /etc/init.d/udev fails on startup
[05:42] <hub> udevplug seems to be failing
[05:43] <hub> any clue to help debugging?
[05:43] <hub> (runnind dapper)
[08:13] <fabbione> hub: #ubuntu-boot and the fact that udev fails is not necessarely a kernel fault
[08:13] <fabbione> garbage_: can you please fix your connection? you are bouncing every 5/10 minutes
[08:40] <oceandead> I'm sorry if I'm in the wrong place but I wasn't sure where to go with this (I didn't want to send email to a list - fearing this topic has already been brought up). Also, I haven't been able to participate in laptop-testing since Breezy Colony3 (will again be testing soon), so I'm also not sure if it's already been included or not.
[08:40] <oceandead> Anyway, I was wondering what the status of inclusion of rtl8180-sa2400 wifi chipset drivers might be.
[08:44] <oceandead> I checked all the mailing list archives I could find but saw nothing about it. Anyway, the sourceforge page can be found here - http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net - They (rtl8180-0.21) compiled fine for me under Hoary. I had problems compiling the CVS version under Breezy but luckily a user who successfully compiled them created a .deb package of the compiled drivers for i386.
[08:47] <fabbione> oceandead: if it is not in dapper, open a bug in malone
[08:47] <oceandead> fabbione,  will do
[08:47] <oceandead> thanks
[08:47] <oceandead> and thank you all for all of your hard work
[08:49] <oceandead> be well!
[02:09] <hub> crap. somebody replied to me and I didn't get it
[02:09] <hub> hi all btw
 hub: #ubuntu-boot and the fact that udev fails is not necessarely a kernel fault
[02:09] <hub> fabbione: okay, thanks
[03:07] <mxpxpod> BenC: how's it coming?
[03:20] <zul> morning
[06:28] <zul> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0123061mugpair1.html
[06:31] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[06:31] <fabbione> hey zul
[06:31] <BenC> fabbione: pong
[06:32] <fabbione> BenC: i did test the new amd64-k8 on UP
[06:32] <fabbione> i still have performance problems when i am doing disk I/O
[06:32] <zul> hey fabbione
[06:32] <fabbione> it's easy to reproduce when running dselect
[06:32] <BenC> as compared to pre-SMP versions?
[06:32] <zul> BenC: i got some patches for you later..
[06:32] <BenC> zul: ok
[06:33] <fabbione> BenC: yeps
[06:33] <fabbione> what tests can i do before i leave tomorrow for uk?
[06:33] <BenC> fabbione: can you recompiled -13 with CONFIG_SMP=n, and give me some numbers?
[06:33] <fabbione> what numbers do you want?
[06:33] <BenC> like bonnie or something
[06:33] <fabbione> i can see a lot of interrupts
[06:34] <fabbione> really an excess compared to .12
[06:34] <fabbione> or .15 pre-smp
[06:34] <fabbione> and the sata_promise doesn't see my disks, but i had no time to bisec that
[06:34] <BenC> are they pata disks, or real sata disks?
[06:35] <BenC> current git will recognize the pata disks now (tested now that I have a promise sata controller)
[06:35] <fabbione> pata disk on fasttrack that has a sata raid
[06:35] <fabbione> it's a regression from .12
[06:35] <fabbione> ah ok
[06:35] <BenC> should work with current git
[06:35] <fabbione> will check that with the next upload
[06:35] <fabbione> 0000:00:08.0 RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20378 (FastTrak 378/SATA 378) (rev 02)
[06:35] <fabbione> this onwe
[06:35] <zul> brb
[06:36] <fabbione> BenC: what was the option to disable the SMP2UP and let the kernel run without it?
[06:37] <BenC> smp-alt-disable
[06:37] <fabbione> ok
[06:37] <fabbione> i will see if i can manage today
[06:38] <fabbione> otherwise it will have to wait when we are back from uk
[06:42] <zul> bleah..
[07:18] <mxpxpod> BenC: how goes the suspend
[07:39] <mxpxpod> BenC: ping


[02:31] <ball> What's a sensible alternative to Gnome Boxes (a desktop hypervisor)?
[03:05] <ball> How can I list the packages that are installed?
[14:43] <kedihacker> what is the pgp key and how to get it (i mean link to pgp key i konow pgp just gimme the key)
[15:06] <hansh> how do i upgrade a 18.04 to 20.04 ?
[15:07] <hansh> do-release-upgrade ?
[17:42] <manu1511> why are mkv files played so slow on my computer?
[17:42] <manu1511> i've an amd a4 5300b
[17:45] <pmjdebruijn> mkv doesn't say anything really
[17:45] <pmjdebruijn> mkv is just a container which can container almost any codec
[17:46] <pmjdebruijn> manu1511: i'm guessing it probably has h265 in it or something
[17:46] <pmjdebruijn> you can check using ffprobe my.mkv
[17:46] <pmjdebruijn> you may need to apt-get install ffmpeg
[17:47] <pmjdebruijn> and/or of course 4k files in general
[17:47] <pmjdebruijn> as in 4k resolution, which can be heavy on older cpus, even in h264
[18:06] <hansh> how screwed am i? do-dist-upgrade ended in https://paste.debian.net/1165671
[18:07] <pmjdebruijn> hansh: do you have a full filesystem?
[18:07] <pmjdebruijn> either / or /boot
[18:07] <pmjdebruijn> probably /boot
[18:08] <hansh> yeah /boot only has 33 mb free
[18:08] <hansh> im guessing that's what went wrong
[18:08] <pmjdebruijn> just delete something from there, and then resume with apt-get install -f
[18:08] <pmjdebruijn> or dpkg --configure -a
[18:08] <hansh> ... come to think of it, why doesn't do-release-upgrade try to make som educated guess as to whether or not you have enough space in / and /boot before... starting
[18:09] <pmjdebruijn> good point
[18:09] <pmjdebruijn> how large is your /boot anyhow?
[18:10] <hansh> .. 276M according to df -h
[18:10] <pmjdebruijn> in total?
[18:10] <pmjdebruijn> that's tiny
[18:10] <hansh> yeah in total
[18:10] <pmjdebruijn> in your case, any education guess would almost always error
[18:10] <pmjdebruijn> kernel+initrd is like 100megs
[18:11] <pmjdebruijn> did automatic partitioning make it 276M?
[18:11] <hansh> .. dafuq, and it's using extended partitions for /
[18:11] <pmjdebruijn> is your install on a tiny eMMC or something?
[18:11] <hansh> no
[18:11] <pmjdebruijn> hansh: that's fairly normal IIRC
[18:12] <hansh> i never use extended partitions on gpt, what's the point, maybe it's mbr
[18:12] <pmjdebruijn> hansh: no to the automatic partitioning or tiny eMMC
[18:12] <hansh> oh it really is mbr
[18:12] <pmjdebruijn> hansh: gpt doesn't have extended partitioing
[18:13] <pmjdebruijn> but with a /boot _that_ small I'd probably recommend reinstalling anyhow
[18:13] <pmjdebruijn> but if you need to fix this anyhow, remove something from /boot
[18:13] <hansh> i know there's no reason to use extended partitions on gpt, but is it really not possible at all?
[18:13] <hansh> kk
[18:13] <pmjdebruijn> but given how tight your /boot is, that might prove tricky, and you might render your system unbootable anyhow
[18:13] <pmjdebruijn> hansh: the concept of extended partition doesn't exist in GPT, why would it
[18:14] <pmjdebruijn> extended partition are a workaround for a design limit in the original MBR scheme
[18:14] <pmjdebruijn> GPT is a new design
[18:14] <pmjdebruijn> hansh: if you can spare the spare I'd probably go with 1-2G for /boot
[18:14] <hansh> an extended partition is basically just a fake filesystem entry, isn't it possible to make the same fake filesystem entry in gpt?
[18:14] <hansh> doesn't really matter xD
[18:14] <pmjdebruijn> it's not a fake filesystem entry
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> if anything you're probably confused by the protective MBR some partitioing tools generate, where both MBR and GPT coexist on the same disk, having the same entries, mapped to each other
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> which means you might see extended partitions, but they still don't exists as a concept in GPT
[18:16] <pmjdebruijn> it's just another partition
[18:16]  * pmjdebruijn it's entirely sure on the exact details though
[18:17] <hansh> > An Extended partition is a special type of partition that contains "Free Space" in which more than the four Primary partitions can be created
[18:17] <hansh> (random quote from help.ubuntu.com )
[18:18] <pmjdebruijn> yes
[18:18] <pmjdebruijn> it's basically russian nesting dolls with partition tables
[18:18] <pmjdebruijn> but it's not fake in any way


[08:33] <tjaalton> jbicha: and it is passing now, thanks
[08:43] <tjaalton> looks like I should be able to drop the s/error/warning/ patch too, so I'll do that for the next mesa upload


[01:19] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/924609
[01:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 924609 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Network Manager adds (null) values for Wireless Connections (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[01:31] <xaitec> i would like to help in bug triage
[02:27] <iceroot> can someone mark this bug as high/crtitical? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/914305?
[02:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 914305 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "[12.04] WARNING: gnome-keyring:: no socket to connect to (affects: 11) (heat: 50)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:32] <Mxx> Still looking for help to get bug 909996 looked at and ultimately fixed.
[03:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 909996 in b43-fwcutter (Ubuntu) "firmware-b43legacy-installer errors "17: missing" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909996
[08:00] <bullgard4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs: "The method of reporting bugs in Ubuntu is by using the tool "ubuntu-bug", otherwise known as Apport." I tried '~$ ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' and obtained: "*** Development is completed for the 'oneiric' version of Ubuntu, so you should probably use technical support channels unless you know for certain it should be reported...
[08:00] <bullgard4> ...Kanns there?". I am surprised that Ubuntu does not wish an error report about Ubuntu Oneiric via ubuntu-bug command. It is the first time that I read this message. (I have sent many Oneiric bug reports to Launchpad in the past.) Can you guide me what this message means?
[09:16] <lifeless> bullgard4: it means what it says: oneiric is released, no further changes are being made directly to it
[09:18] <bullgard4> lifeless: You did not answer if Ubuntu will or will not consider my bug reports about Oneiric. Can you answer this question?
[09:20] <iceroot> bullgard4: if they are critical they will be fixed also if it are very small changes
[09:20] <iceroot> bullgard4: but normally they will be fixed in 12.04 only
[09:21] <iceroot> bullgard4: but its depending on the bug and the affort/changes to fix it
[09:21] <bullgard4> iceroot: Understood. Thank you very much for explaining.
[12:24] <circlingthesun> Good day
[12:24] <circlingthesun> I have a slight issue
[12:24] <circlingthesun> hope someone can help me
[12:25] <circlingthesun> I'm running ubuntu 11.10 on an asus ul20ft laptop with intel gma hd graphics
[12:26] <circlingthesun> When my laptop woke up from suspension it froze with nothing but my wonderful wallpaper showing
[12:26] <circlingthesun> Upon reboot grub gave me the usual options
[12:27] <circlingthesun> I hit enter for ubuntu
[12:27] <circlingthesun> and then this: http://i.imgur.com/Pisfh.jpg
[12:27] <circlingthesun> It's all scrambled
[12:27] <circlingthesun> Its not isolated to the splash screen
[12:28] <circlingthesun> When I restart and boot into win7 there are no issues
[12:28] <circlingthesun> so I'm guessing is a driver issue
[12:29] <circlingthesun> Could have been an update that took effect after the restart
[12:29] <circlingthesun> I have no idea
[12:30] <circlingthesun> any suggestions?
[12:45] <berdario> s9iper1, I updated the info on the bug I opened yesterday
[12:45] <s9iper1> bug number
[12:45] <s9iper1> ?
[12:45] <berdario> 924468 and
[12:46] <berdario> 924473
[12:48] <s9iper1> berdario:the second one i have also seen
[12:48] <s9iper1> and i have discussed  it with developer
[12:49] <s9iper1> the problem was that when we are entering the secong account than another dup of thataccount  produces by it elf  and if we close the  windowand openit again than its notpresent
[12:50] <berdario> good, thank you
[12:50] <berdario> uhm, was that a question?
[12:51] <s9iper1> see this
[12:51] <s9iper1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/919377
[12:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 919377 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "accounts window showing a contact two times (affects: 1) (heat: 84)" [Low,Triaged]
[12:54] <berdario> Ok, then mine is probably a dupe
[12:56] <berdario> s9iper1, about 924468, do you need some more information?
[13:00] <s9iper1> berdario: hey i am able to reproduce it wait for my comment
[13:01] <berdario> good
[13:11] <s9iper1> berdario:i have done the whole process thanks
[13:12] <s9iper1> and subscribe to that bug
[13:17] <berdario> ok
[14:50] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek day 2 starting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:54] <dholbach> jibel, balloons: I had a chat with Rick earlier today - do you think it would make sense to raise some awareness to ISO testing via blogs and the like?
[15:05] <balloons> yes dholbach i don't see that as a bad idea
[15:05] <dholbach> also the guys who talk about running the dev release today
[15:05] <dholbach> they could mention it as well
[15:05] <dholbach> is it the /Testing wiki page we point to?
[15:09] <balloons> ohh, mention the iso testing today in udw
[15:09] <balloons> umm theres an iso testing subpage on the wiki
[15:10] <balloons> does a nice job explaining things
[15:14] <jibel> dholbach, that's a good idea.
[15:14] <jibel> dholbach, /testing and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures for iso testing
[15:14] <jibel> but lot of content is obsolete and promoting the idea to update the testing wiki is also a good idea
[15:15] <dholbach> so are you guys going to blog about it? I'll make sure I'll mention it in tomorrow's dev update again
[15:15] <dholbach> and see if I can reach Effenberg0x0 and Cariboo907 before their session
[15:27] <dholbach> jibel, balloons: ok, I mailed the two :)
[15:29] <balloons> jibel, yes I was hoping to help update it as I went thru the process for the first time this week
[15:29] <jibel> balloons, can you blog about iso testing ?
[15:30] <balloons> yes, it's going on until when?
[15:30] <balloons> i realize it's on-going, but ...
[15:31] <balloons> alpha 2 drops tomorrow.. ahh check.. I keep thinking it's friday
[15:32] <balloons> sorry that's what i was trying to ask
[15:35] <jibel> balloons, a2 will be released tomorrow, still 24 hours or so of testing to go
[15:54] <s9iper1> berdario: ping