[00:00] <Riddell> yuriy: :)
[00:00] <Riddell> kwwii: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20081020.1/
[00:01] <Riddell> and remember to test report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[00:02] <ScottK> What group do you have to be in to be able to make a wireless connection with knetworkmanager?
[00:03] <ScottK> I can only do it with my main user.
[00:03] <kwwii> Riddell: will do first thing tomorrow
[00:03] <kwwii> time for sleep now
[00:07] <Riddell> ScottK: plugdev?
[00:09] <rgreening> Hey Riddell. Did you look over my update-notifier-kde fix?
[00:12]  * Riddell looks
[00:13] <rgreening> hehe
[00:14] <rgreening> bug 282676
[00:15] <Riddell> rgreening: did you put it in bzr?
[00:23] <rgreening> I uploaded it to kubuntu testing PPA as ver 0.9
[00:24] <rgreening> Do I have rights to upload to the bzr branch for update-notifier-kde? If so, I need a good link for bzr editing/uploading/etc...
[00:24] <rgreening> :)
[00:47] <apachelogger> NCommander: pong
[00:50] <NCommander> apachelogger, hola
[00:51] <apachelogger> salut
[00:55] <Riddell> rgreening: still about?
[00:55] <Riddell> rgreening: I've just approved you for kubuntu-members
[00:56] <Riddell> you can register update-notifier-kde at launchpad.net/projects
[00:56] <Riddell> make sure you have an ssh key registered in launchpad
[00:56] <Riddell> then push
[00:57] <Riddell> bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:57] <rgreening> yeah.. here still
[00:58] <rgreening> ok. I'll add that to my list. I'm training a new body... DLeGrow to help us out...
[00:59] <Riddell> rgreening: (your @kubuntu.org e-mail should appear in a couple of days, also if you have a blog you can add it to planet now)
[01:00] <rgreening> cool. thanks. will do.
[01:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Speaking of which, my blog never showed up on planet.  Would you mind looking at if I added myself correctly?  It's at http://kitterman.org/ScottK/ubuntu/ for Ubuntu posts.
[01:03] <Riddell> ScottK: where is ubuntu planet config again?
[01:04] <vorian> it needs to be the actuall rss/atom link
[01:06] <vorian> so
[01:07] <vorian> http://kitterman.org/ScottK/ubuntu/index.xml
[01:07] <vorian> should work
[01:07] <vorian> or http://kitterman.org/ScottK/ubuntu/atom.xml
[01:19] <freeflying> Riddell: arounds?
[01:29] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[01:31] <freeflying> Riddell: about the scim-bridge in kubuntu, from the test i've made, seems it relate to ski
[01:36] <Riddell> freeflying: what does?
[01:37] <freeflying> s/ski/skim
[01:37] <Riddell> freeflying: what relates to skim?
[01:39] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-bridge will cause kubuntu intrepid unusable,found it keep on start scim-gtk-panel
[01:41] <Riddell> freeflying: sounds like the problem is in scim-bridge then
[01:52] <freeflying> Riddell: yes, the scim-bridge-agent only use scim-gtk-panel
[01:53] <Riddell> freeflying: has that changed since previous releases?
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell: I've considered of using a symbolic link to provide the panel, but I had no time in the past time :)
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell: no
[01:56] <Riddell> time for me to sleep, I'm afraid scim always confuses me
[02:00] <freeflying> Riddell: not only for u :)
[02:00] <freeflying> Riddell: I will upload another version of scim-bridge too my ppa soon
[02:30] <jjesse> evneing
[02:33] <rgreening> hey jjesse
[02:35] <jjesse> hiya rgreening
[04:12]  * Hobbsee pokes people at http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_KDEV/
[04:13] <nixternal> poke poke poke
[04:14] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Any idea what the 'Desktop Experience Team" is?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yes, why?
[04:15] <ScottK> I'm curious.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: means "that which is desktop"
[04:15] <Hobbsee> it's keybuk's team,iirc.
[04:15] <ScottK> OK.  So it's not a new team, it's just the Desktop Team
[04:15] <ScottK> I'm not qualified for the job, just curious.
[04:15] <jjesse> does it follow with what sabdfl talked about for jaunty?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> although it looks like they're doing another change to their org chart, so who knows
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well, where the desktop team is a bit wider than those in -desktop, yes
[04:16] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:16] <jjesse> is there an actual org chart some place?
[04:16] <ScottK> My other question is, is this in addition to R!ddell or is he getting promoted/moved on?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i believe so, but i've never seen it, and i don't think it's public
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i don't imagine R!ddell's getting chnaged.
[04:17] <ScottK> OK.  I imagine lots of stuff.
[04:17] <nixternal> ScottK: this is strictly KDE development, it isn't Kubuntu development
[04:18] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:18] <ScottK> This is the "I'm going to hire people to work upstream" bit.
[04:18] <nixternal> ya, I thought the same thing for a second
[04:18] <nixternal> exactly
[04:18] <Hobbsee> looks like it, based on the top 3 jobs on that list
[04:21] <Hobbsee> either way though, it'd be a good way for someone wanting to write some more of KDE to get paid for it.
[04:21] <jjesse> yay for more paid kde devs
[04:21] <nixternal> the thing is, the people who would be perfect for that job, are already working a nice cumfy job
[04:21] <nixternal> been watching the chatter in other channels all day :)
[04:22] <ScottK> So here's your chance to get out of RPM hell.
[04:23] <nixternal> heh
[04:24] <nixternal> not good with X or OpenGL...actually I don't know a darn thing about either
[04:25] <Hobbsee> actually, i guess primarily what it'd be good for would be a university student, who graduates this year / next year, who's looking for work in the field of kde.
[04:26] <jjesse> any past google summer of code students who are now looking for a job?
[04:30]  * ScottK still doesn't think Launchpad jobs should be listed on Ubuntu.com
[04:30] <jjesse> they should be listed on cannonical.com
[05:08] <yuriy> Hobbsee: hmmmm?
[05:08]  * yuriy doesn't know X or OpenGL either :(
[05:08] <Hobbsee> yuriy: hmmm w.r.t. what?
[05:09] <yuriy> i'm a university student graduating this year. I don't think I'm qualified for this though
[05:10] <Hobbsee> yuriy: i meant in general.  and you can always try
[07:26] <\sh> moins
[07:27] <\sh> nixternal: you don't want to apply for the dream job? ,-)
[08:27] <emgent> morning people
[08:31]  * supert0nes is graduating this year but will have to come back for that job with experience
[08:31] <supert0nes> plus i'm just learning c++ now
[08:31] <supert0nes> and i kindof want to work at an office at first as odd as that sounds
[10:57] <davmor2> Can no media be played in Konqueror?  I just tried clicking on Mirco Muller's post on planet ubuntu it has an ogv video attached and it won't play :-/
[11:05] <ScottK> davmor2: right-click and open with Dragon Player
[11:06] <Riddell> good morning, did I miss anything exciting?
[11:06] <davmor2> ScottK: I know that when you click on it it say "open with" but with most other browsers you click it plays in the browser window
[11:06] <ScottK> Riddell: I was hoping you'd tell us the language pack thing was fixed.
[11:06] <davmor2> morning Riddell
[11:07] <ScottK> davmor2: I agree.  So it can, just not in the easiest way.
[11:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Which package do we fix mime-type associations for Konqueror?
[11:07] <hunger> ho Riddell.
[11:12] <Riddell> ScottK: havn't heard anything from the rosetta dude, I gave him the needed bits yesterday
[11:13] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Excuse me if I'm getting nervous.
[11:13] <Riddell> ScottK: they do like to keep us on the edge of our seats
[11:14] <ScottK> So when do we give up and run apachelogger's script and use upstream translations?
[11:15] <apachelogger> highlight \o/ :)
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: ktorrent fix works as expected
[11:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: yay
[11:19] <Riddell> ScottK: irc logs tell me he's working on the import now
[11:20] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, mime types, that has the new-ish xdg system that I've not looked into much
[11:20] <Riddell> ScottK: if you're thinking of the video in mirco's blog, the problem is his web server is reporting it was application/octet-stream
[11:21] <apachelogger> davmor2, ScottK: http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and_File_Extensions
[11:21] <apachelogger> MimeType=video/ogg;video/x-theora;video/x-theora+ogg;video/x-ogm;video/x-ogm+ogg;video/x-ms-wmv;video/x-msvideo;video/x-ms-asf;video/x-matroska;video/mpeg;video/avi;video/quicktime;video/vnd.rn-realvideo;video/x-flic;video/mp4;
[11:21] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I was, but I've seen other things and I'd like to know where to pick at them.
[11:21] <apachelogger> DragonPlayer should be working
[11:21] <apachelogger> so I guess the server sends the wrong mimetype to konqui
[11:24] <Riddell> dpkg -L shared-mime-info
[11:24] <Riddell> which extracts files into /usr/share/mime/ I believe
[11:24] <Riddell> then the mimetypes used by an app are listed in /usr/share/applications/kde4/dragonplayer.desktop has apachelogger pasts
[11:25] <davmor2> apachelogger: if I select dragon player from the open with box it plays fine
[11:26] <Riddell> in jaunty we'll have Qt 4.5 which will have the <video> tag and all will be well
[11:26] <Riddell> (at least for qtwebkit users)
[11:27] <apachelogger> so hopefully we will have kdewebkit ready as well ;-)
[11:27] <apachelogger> davmor2: Länge: 47053216 (45M) [application/octet-stream]
[11:27] <apachelogger> wrong mimetype, tell mirco to fix his server :P
[11:27] <davmor2> guys here is the link http://macslow.thepimp.net/?p=167 if you click on the ogv video I'm guessing it should just play but doesn't
[11:28] <apachelogger> if the mimetype was correct it would just play
[11:28] <ScottK> txwikinger: ichthux-meta needs to either build or be dropped on sparc and powerpc so kio-sword can actually go away (it's NBS now).
[11:28] <Riddell> davmor2: no, it's a problem with micro's web server, it doesn't "just play" in firefox either for me
[11:29]  * apachelogger is wondering why the KDE enterprise list fwds to kde-promo, weird stuff is going on
[11:29] <davmor2> np's then thanks
[11:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: because kde enterprise was just a promotional activity
[11:30] <apachelogger> was? didn't go so well and was dropped? :S
[11:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: enterprise.kde.org hasn't been updated since 2005
[11:30] <apachelogger> that said, yesterday we watched a documentation about robotics research in europe - all machines were running KDE :D
[11:31] <Riddell> went down fine just the maintainer got busy
[11:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: accessibility either
[11:31]  * apachelogger needs to get involved in the kde-www remake again
[11:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: ktorrent uploaded
[12:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 284833
[12:30] <\sh> Riddell: the guy who applies for the kde position @C will he/she work under your command? :)
[12:33] <apachelogger> \sh: or maybe vice versa :P
[12:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 286905
[12:38] <Riddell> \sh: no, separate team
[12:40] <\sh> Riddell: so more core component team, like cjwatson?
[12:41] <Riddell> no, Desktop Experinece team like macslow
[12:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: I've tagged those to kde3.5.10
[13:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 286936
[14:30] <seele> any upgrade paths need tested?  i've got a pretty slow day today
[14:31]  * seele meant to do kde4remix to intrepid last week :-/
[14:34] <Riddell> seele: yes that would be great
[14:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: meh, upstream bug (presumably)
[14:51] <rgreening> good day all
[14:51] <seele> Riddell: CD or online upgrade?
[14:51] <rgreening> any hot ticket items today?
[14:52] <ScottK> rgreening: Care to look into Konqueror/Ark integration?
[14:52] <rgreening> sure. GOt a bug or spec for the issue?
[14:53] <ScottK> No, but I can explain it really quickly.
[14:53] <rgreening> oh, the the .gz ark issue get resolved yet? Or is that tpart of the issue?
[14:53] <ScottK> The fundamentals are there now.
[14:53] <rgreening> ok
[14:53] <ScottK> 1.  Go to LP in Konqueror and click on any build log or diff.gz.
[14:53] <ScottK> Ark opens, no files though.
[14:54] <ScottK> 2.  Download a .deb and click on that.
[14:54] <rgreening> yeah. I know. what a pain
[14:54] <ScottK> That opens as it should, but then click on one of the internal .gz files and it can't open it.
[14:54] <rgreening> ok. any ideas on where to start?
[14:55] <ScottK> Nope.  That's why I was hoping you'd work on it.
[14:55] <ScottK> Maybe Riddell or apachelogger can give a hint.
[14:55] <ScottK> The second one I'm pretty sure is a missing bit internal to ark.
[14:55] <rgreening> lol. ok. I'll have a poke. If any suggestions... let me know
[14:55]  * rgreening opens terminal and runs konq...
[14:56] <ScottK> I hope everyone likes my post on planet for today.
[14:56] <rgreening> I need to integrate my blog now too...
[14:58] <Riddell> seele: either
[14:59] <nixternal> how goeth my favorite people in the whole entire world this wonderful day?
[15:00]  * rgreening thinks nixternal is looking for something...
[15:00]  * rgreening hides
[15:00] <rgreening> :)
[15:01] <Riddell> we are great my favourite nixternal
[15:03] <rgreening> ScottK: does ark open .gz files at all? I just tried, and it wouldn't work on a standalone txt.gz but did for a .tgz
[15:04]  * ScottK tries
[15:04] <rgreening> so, it appears ark specific to me
[15:05] <ScottK> rgreening: Agreed.  I can't get it to work either.
[15:06] <rgreening> doesn't work with bzip2 either for single files. Seems it doesn't know how to uncompress non-archives (i.e. a single file compressed)
[15:06] <ScottK> rgreening: Try ark something.deb and then click on either data or control.rar.gz
[15:06] <rgreening> k
[15:06] <ScottK> That'd be awesome to get fixed.
[15:07] <rgreening> two different bugs IMHO
[15:07] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:07] <rgreening> the second is unable to open archives within archives
[15:08] <ScottK> Yes.  If you extract it, it can open it.
[15:08] <ScottK> Right. so I find both of those significant annoyances.  If you can figure anything on either, it'd be really cool.
[15:08] <rgreening> the internal previewer needs to be coded to recognise thew archive and call ark...
[15:09] <rgreening> I'll see what I can do...
[15:09] <ScottK> Anyone up for some encryptfs testing with KDE?
[15:12] <rgreening> ScottK: works with plain zip
[15:13] <rgreening> which is odd... so, I have some code to compare now at least...
[15:13] <ScottK> rgreening: tar.gz support was only recently added, so a missed spot wouldn't suprise me.
[15:13] <rgreening> lol
[15:21] <rgreening> ScottK: I think the issue is isolated in the libarkpart library... looking
[15:24] <nixternal> I am really enjoying synergy
[15:31] <ScottK> BTW, I can confirm that fretsonfire works quite well in Kubuntu Intrepid.
[15:32]  * seele tries to imagine ScottK jamming out to Through the Fire and Flames with a keyboard
[15:34] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[15:37] <nixternal> who is nick ali?
[15:37] <nixternal> err, what is his irc nick?
[15:37] <jussi01> boredandblogging
[15:37] <jussi01> nixternal: ^
[15:38] <jussi01> rgreening: I reported that bug about ksnapshot :) bug 287005
[15:38] <rgreening> cool
[15:39] <nixternal> jussi01: thanks
[15:41] <jussi01> :)
[15:42] <apachelogger> oh, my skim
[15:48] <jussi01> mornfall: I also reported the adept bug I mentioned - bug 287009
[15:51] <nixternal> just confirmed, obama does not run Ubuntu in his headquarters
[15:51] <nixternal> it is nice working across the street pretty much from his headquarters
[15:53] <vorian> nixternal: haha
[15:53] <ScottK> Ah, so Ubuntu for the peons and Windows for the people that matter?
[15:53] <vorian> i was going to say ...
[15:53] <vorian> i just shot an email off to our local Obama-nation office
[15:53] <nixternal> ScottK: I asked their IT dude about Ubuntu and he did a "Huh?"
[15:53] <vorian> ha
[15:54] <nixternal> should have noticed the 2nd screenshot in his blog post was windows, with a change instead of start and the office 2007 icons on the desktop
[15:54] <nixternal> that is horrible photoshopping
[15:57] <apachelogger> hm
[15:58] <apachelogger> we need new minions!
[15:58]  * apachelogger just found the perfect minion work
[15:59] <vorian> what do you need apachelogger
[16:00] <apachelogger> apt-file search applnk :P
[16:00]  * apachelogger has a strong feeling most stuff which ships applnk should either be updated to new upstream or dropped from the archives
[16:01] <apachelogger> or the applnk stuff should be moved to XDG, but I guess in most cases the apps aren't maintained upstream anymore
[16:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: At this point that should wait for Jaunty though.
[16:02] <apachelogger> well, it certainly can't be done before intrepid :P
[16:02] <apachelogger> was more thinking of an early jaunty cleanup
[16:07]  * rgreening farms minions
[16:08] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:26] <apachelogger> mornfall: what could be the cause of bug 287000 ?
[16:27] <apachelogger> it works here
[16:31] <mornfall> apachelogger: Hm, update-apt-xapian-index is not run.
[16:32] <mornfall> Need to add detection of sources.list changes to that.
[16:35] <mornfall> (It is executed by adept automatically when it feels like that's neccessary -- which usually is about once a week, since descriptions don't change that often...).
[16:36] <mornfall> Maybe a stricter and slower policy should be used.
[16:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do we have the fix for CVE-2008-3699 in Intrepid already?
[16:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: the amarok issue?
[16:47] <ScottK> Yes
[16:47] <ScottK> USN-657-1
[16:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: already in 1.4.10
[16:47] <ScottK> Kewl.
[16:52] <jussi01> apachelogger: you always make me think :)
[16:53] <apachelogger> perfect :D
[16:53] <jjesse> i hate people who make me think :)
[16:53] <jussi01> jjesse: hehe
[16:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: anyway, I added a comment to the ksnapshot bug
[16:56] <apachelogger> jussi01: should be forwarded to bko
[16:56] <smarter> okay, I think I will release Kvkbd 0.6 today, even if the issue with KDM is still not fixed(I'm working on this with ossi)
[16:57]  * apachelogger is wondering where the icon comes from
[16:57] <apachelogger> it certainly doesn't look like oxygen to me
[16:59] <smarter> Riddell: hi, should I fill a FFe for Kvkbd 0.6? the one I filled for kepas was not really useful, since they unsubscribed themselve and subscribed you, beside Kvkbd is almost part of the general KDE FFe, isn't it? :]
[17:00] <Riddell> smarter: how intrusive is it?
[17:00] <Riddell> smarter: does it to scary things to kdm?
[17:00] <smarter> nop
[17:00] <smarter> with the current setting, it just doesn't appears
[17:00] <Riddell> smarter: just find someone to upload the package then
[17:01] <smarter> if kdm theming is disabled, it is here, but the buttons are not clickable
[17:01] <Riddell> I'm currently upgrade testing but could do in a bit
[17:01] <smarter> okay, thanks
[17:01] <smarter> I'll wait for the kdm issue to be fixed before releasing Kvkbd outsite Kubuntu
[17:01] <smarter> *outside
[17:10] <seele> what does "Setting new software channels" mean in the upgrade tool?  Adding new package repositories?
[17:11] <Riddell> seele: yes
[17:12] <Riddell> s/hardy/intrepid/ mostly
[17:12] <Riddell> our terminology for package repositories is not terribly consistent
[17:13] <rgreening> Riddell: do you know where the libgzplugin patch for ark came from?
[17:14] <Riddell> rgreening: apachelogger?  metellius?
[17:14] <ScottK> rgreening: It came from metellius I'm almost certain.
[17:14] <seele> Riddell: sure.. any idea if mornfall copied the language for the upgrade process in adept 3?
[17:14] <rgreening> hmm...
[17:14] <seele> i guess i could just ask him directly
[17:14] <seele> mornfall: ping
[17:15] <Riddell> seele: adept 3 doesn't have a dist upgrade, that tool is separate
[17:15] <Riddell> release upgrade I mean
[17:16] <seele> Riddell: separate from the manager or not adept at all?
[17:18] <LaserJock> quick question, I've got both Gnome and KDE installed on Intrepid and when I log in I have both nm-applet and knetworkmanager running
[17:18] <LaserJock> I don't see where nm-applet is getting started
[17:19] <Riddell> seele: the release upgrade tool is its own thing.  adept 2 had a patch to download and run it, in intrepid update-notifier-kde (the system tray icon) will download and run it
[17:19] <seele> ok
[17:19]  * seele stops taking notes
[17:20] <Riddell> seele: terminology should still be consistent of course, the user doesn't care how its split up
[17:20] <Riddell> freeflying: arne says skim can't be made to work in kde 4, do you confirm that?
[17:21] <Riddell> freeflying: and that it breaks scim-bridge
[17:22] <Riddell> seele: adept 3 does have a reponsitories edit too of course, it runs software-properties-kde, I can't currently remember what terminology I used for that
[17:23] <seele> Riddell: i'll probably need to review each of the components separately.  i was writing some notes from adept 2 to check and see if they were fixed in adept 3, but it would be easier to just start from scratch with adept 3
[17:23]  * seele coughs *packagekit*
[17:24] <Riddell> bless you
[17:26] <mornfall> Actually, that might be a good idea. I think I had too many projects anyway.
[17:26]  * seele wonders what the likelihood of doing a samba ui for jaunty will be
[17:26] <mornfall> Converting my problems into someone else's problems. That's probably good.
[17:26] <seele> it might be better to focus on printing and kuser
[17:27] <seele> oh, and refreshing some system settings module uis, some are pretty bad
[17:27] <seele> (this is a joint 4.3 and jaunty list, hehe)
[17:39]  * smarter just released Kvkbd 0.6 :)
[17:39] <smarter> Riddell: do you know if I should do something special, like copying to tag or something?
[17:43] <Riddell> smarter: is it in kde svn?
[17:43] <smarter> yes
[17:43] <smarter> in playground
[17:44] <Riddell> smarter: you can copy to tag if you think anyone will want it, but I don't know exactly how, toma would be a good person to ask
[17:44] <smarter> ok
[17:44] <smarter> I'll wait until the KDM issue is fixed anyway
[17:48] <LaserJock> what's the difference between network-manager-kde and knetworkmanager?
[17:48] <smarter> one is a dummy package, the other not
[17:48] <smarter> don't know why the name changed
[17:50] <rgreening> to match network-manager-gtk
[17:50] <rgreening> as a easy differentiator
[17:50] <rgreening> I guess
[17:51] <rgreening> plus, too many Kxxx nazmed apps.. time to branch out on teh naming
[17:51] <rgreening> lol
[17:53] <smarter> apachelogger: do you have any free time to upload Kvkbd 0.6?
[17:54] <smarter> apachelogger: tarball available here: http://smarter.free.fr/kvkbd/kvkbd_0.6.0.orig.tar.gz and packaging at lp:~kubuntu-members/kvkbd/ubuntu
[17:54] <apachelogger> smarter: if you have an exception, besides, it wouldn't get into rc anyway
[17:55] <smarter> I haz no exception
[17:55] <smarter> but Riddell said it shouldn't be necessary
[17:55] <smarter> do I have to wait for rc to be released?
[17:55] <Riddell> no just upload, it should get let in when rc is done
[17:57] <seele> hmm.. is kded supposed to crash during the installation process?
[17:57] <apachelogger> installation or update?
[17:57] <seele> remix upgrade during the "installing the upgrades" process
[17:57] <apachelogger> yes
[17:57] <apachelogger> well, it is not, but it does
[17:58] <rgreening> apachelogger: thanks for recommending vbox. works great (except for getting usb support... know how under Intrepid?)
[17:58] <apachelogger> rgreening: install the version from virtualbox.org
[17:58] <apachelogger> the usb stuff is closed source or something
[17:59] <smarter> apachelogger: so, you're okay for uploading it?
[17:59] <rgreening> oh... so get the personal use one...
[17:59] <apachelogger> smarter: you should use debcommit -r when ready for upload
[17:59] <rgreening> apachelogger: is it any better/faster?
[17:59] <apachelogger> that way you get fancy tags
[17:59]  * smarter man debcommit
[17:59] <apachelogger> rgreening: it got usb :P
[18:00] <rgreening> besides...
[18:00] <rgreening> :)
[18:00] <apachelogger> rgreening: no
[18:00] <apachelogger> the other parts are floss anyway
[18:00] <rgreening> ok. cool.
[18:01] <smarter> apachelogger: okay, I'll use it next time
[18:01] <rgreening> apachelogger: I installing Intrepid in a vbox vm a sane/good test for whether it will work?
[18:02] <rgreening> cause if it is, it works for me
[18:02] <apachelogger> working != working
[18:02] <apachelogger> the desktop usually doens't break
[18:02] <apachelogger> it's the other fancy stuff that does
[18:02] <apachelogger> like printer support
[18:03] <rgreening> ah...then only way is to really install
[18:03] <apachelogger> smarter: testbuilding
[18:03] <apachelogger> qbzr++
[18:03] <smarter> thanks ;)
[18:03]  * smarter gives a try to qbzr
[18:04] <apachelogger> added .bzr-builddeb
[18:04] <apachelogger> added .bzr-builddeb/default.conf
[18:05] <apachelogger> smarter: I did a debcommit with that ^
[18:05] <smarter> ok
[18:06] <smarter> why is qbzr using gtk icons? :P
[18:07] <smarter> uh oh, looks like there is a bug with qlog
[18:07] <smarter> the log entries are blank
[18:07] <smarter> and I get lots of tracebacks
[18:07] <apachelogger> works here
[18:07] <apachelogger> then again, I think I am using trunk
[18:08] <smarter> could you look throught the log of trunk to see if something like that has been mentioned and fixed?
[18:09] <smarter> it would be worth backporting it
[18:09] <smarter> I get lots of stuff like: http://pastebin.com/m141cb221
[18:10] <apachelogger> no time
[18:10] <apachelogger> I has to do testbuilding
[18:10] <apachelogger> and get drunk
[18:10]  * apachelogger bought a new bottle of captain morgan :D
[18:11] <apachelogger> hm
[18:11] <apachelogger> smarter: why does my kvkbd have an icon if the deb doesn't ship one?
[18:11] <smarter> it uses a standard fd.o icon
[18:11] <apachelogger> ewww
[18:11] <apachelogger> fd.o
[18:11] <apachelogger> oxygen!
[18:11] <smarter> which exists in oxygen
[18:11] <apachelogger> really?
[18:12] <smarter> yes
[18:12]  * apachelogger still thinks it doesn't look like oxygen
[18:12] <smarter> that's what specs are for :P
[18:12] <apachelogger> smarter: what's its name?
[18:12] <smarter> oh, you mean the tray icon?
[18:12] <apachelogger> I mean the icon in my menu
[18:12] <smarter> this one is oxygen
[18:12] <\sh> apachelogger: can you put jonos record on radio amarok? :)
[18:12] <smarter> preferences-desktop-keyboard irrc
[18:12] <smarter> *iirc
[18:12]  * smarter looks in his code
[18:12] <apachelogger> \sh: dood, I am no longer a roker :P
[18:13] <apachelogger> other than that I would
[18:13] <smarter> yes, that's it
[18:13] <apachelogger> verrry weird
[18:13] <\sh> apachelogger: how has da power now?
[18:13] <apachelogger> anywho, package looks goody
[18:13] <apachelogger> \sh: I wouldn't know #amarok.radio
[18:13] <apachelogger> most likely it is dead
[18:13] <\sh> apachelogger: was mez not the god of radio?
[18:13] <smarter> hmm, kde-l10n-fr has not been updated since 4.1.1 in hardy
[18:14] <apachelogger> \sh: well, of the servas, not the radio, that was me ;-)
[18:14] <apachelogger> oh
[18:15] <apachelogger> ~np
[18:15] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "mugger" by Binärpilot
[18:15] <smarter> Qt Designer 4.5 awesomeness: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/formlayout.png :)
[18:16] <apachelogger> smarter:   kvkbd_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[18:16] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[18:17] <smarter> thanks :)
[18:17] <apachelogger> yw
[18:19]  * apachelogger hands \sh a glass of captain
[18:20] <\sh> captain?
[18:24] <apachelogger> ~google wikipedia captain morgan
[18:24] <kubotu> Results for wikipedia captain morgan: 1. Captain Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Morgan | 2. Henry Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgan | 3. rumclub - Captain Morgan: http://www.rumworld.nl/CaptainMorgan.html
[18:24] <apachelogger> \sh: ^
[18:26] <seele> apachelogger: got a little cap'n in ya?
[18:26]  * seele does the knee raise
[18:27]  * apachelogger looks, notices that he looses balance and falls over
[18:28]  * seele has poor balance and falls over too
[18:32] <apachelogger> I am wondering what my favorite Nightrose does all day long
[18:33] <seele> uhm.. hmm.. so i can't login using KDM after upgrading
[18:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger's favourite Nightrose was busy with university stuff all day
[18:33]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[18:33] <apachelogger> university--
[18:34]  * apachelogger rehugs Nightrose
[18:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that does however not explain what you are doing right now ;-)
[18:34] <Nightrose> laundry and cooking ;-)
[18:35] <apachelogger> funnies
[18:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 287097
[18:36] <apachelogger> I remember we talked about this at the marketing meeting, in fact I think we decided to bring this up at a kubuntu meeting, but I don't seem to remember we actually did that ;-)
[18:43] <apachelogger> is there anything useable an apachelogger could do these days?
[18:44] <seele> anyone else experience this: but 281950
[18:44] <seele> *bug 281950
[18:44] <smarter> kubuntu logo for the KMenu? I don't think it would look good
[18:44] <rgreening> apachelogger: I can take care if bug 287097 if you know which image to use...
[18:45] <apachelogger> rgreening: needs discussion
[18:45] <smarter> yes
[18:45] <rgreening> if you want it, let me know... I'll do it
[18:45] <apachelogger> the only sensible way to replace all KDE logos with Kubuntu ones
[18:46] <seele> apachelogger: what about instead of the sproket behind the K we have the circle thing
[18:46] <apachelogger> and my POV is that KDE should get a fair amount of branding, which contradicts with that proposal
[18:46] <seele> so it is still an n x n icon and not "Kubuntu" or just the blue circle
[18:46] <rgreening> I'd like to see a KDE logo with the Gears remove and the Kubuntu symbol there instead. :)
[18:46] <apachelogger> hm
[18:47] <apachelogger> nifty
[18:47] <rgreening> :)
[18:47] <apachelogger> but sounds like a good idea
[18:47] <rgreening> omg.. seele though what I typed I was just too slow..
[18:47] <rgreening> hahah
[18:47] <smarter> maybe we could go like in kde3, and add a kubuntu logo inside the new media notifier applet?
[18:48] <apachelogger> smarter: the new new media notifier applet's icon does look different
[18:48] <apachelogger> ...different ... better... but it makes that course of action unusable
[18:48] <smarter> in 4.2?
[18:49] <apachelogger> yus
[18:49] <smarter> screenshot? :]
[18:49] <apachelogger> aplg.kollide.net/images
[18:49] <apachelogger> go search :P
[18:49] <seele> where are x errors found?
[18:50] <rgreening> .xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[18:50] <apachelogger> depends on the Xiness
[18:50] <rgreening> true
[18:58] <seele> is startx supposed to work if you aren't using a display manager?
[19:00] <smarter> probably
[19:22] <rgreening> ScottK: around?
[19:24] <Arby> evening all, what's in need of attention today
[19:27] <rgreening> ScottK: I don't think the libgzplugin is getting used in opening the gz file.
[19:32] <rgreening> ScottK: attempting to open a gz file and it only opens /usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libarchive.so and not the corresponding gz... so, me thinks it's using libarchive to do the dirty work
[19:33] <ScottK-palm> Does Gmail work in Konqueror  in Intrepid?
[19:34] <rgreening> think so... ( config kmail for gmail pop... so havent check in a while..
[19:35] <rgreening> ScottK-plam.. see my q's above....
[19:35] <smarter> it probably does, but without the fancy ajax
[19:35]  * Arby checks
[19:35] <ScottK-palm> My post on planet is getting questions.
[19:36] <rgreening> I'm using gmail with standard with chat fine under konq it seems...
[19:36] <vorian> ScottK-palm: yes, it works
[19:36] <ScottK-palm> Thanks.
[19:37] <ScottK-palm> See you later.
[19:59] <Riddell> seele: kdm.  anything in .xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:59] <Riddell> seele: do you have plenty of disk space on / and /home ?
[20:01]  * Riddell hugs ScottK
[20:01]  * rgreening slaps ark
[20:01]  * NCommander running tackles Riddell
[20:02]  * rgreening pulls out his uzi
[20:04] <Riddell> ScottK: I use arora for gmail
[20:04] <Riddell> I really hope webkitkde is usable in jaunty
[20:05] <Riddell> where usable is pretty much "supports flash"
[20:05] <smarter> that shouldn't be hard
[20:06] <Riddell> and we'll have <video> by then, so we won't need flash :)
[20:06] <smarter> except if you had "in a reliable way" somewhere :]
[20:06] <rgreening> is ther a gui gdb?
[20:06] <apachelogger> kgdb
[20:06] <smarter> oh, yes <video> rocks
[20:06] <rgreening> I get command not found so I guess it's not in the command not found...
[20:07] <mattik> Hello, I have really rare problem. Wireless works some time and end to working. I tried many times. My Intrepid halted before this problem because of flash.
[20:07] <smarter> user support on #kubuntu
[20:07] <mattik> ok
[20:07] <apachelogger> rgreening: maybe it doesn't exist anymore
[20:07] <apachelogger> or maybe I amde it up to begin with
[20:08] <mattik> in fact it's not support thing, it's bug, but anyway I go to #kubuntu
[20:08] <rgreening> hmm... cgdb ... curses... ew
[20:09] <rgreening> ah... kdbg
[20:09] <rgreening> maybe
[20:11] <NCommander> what are you guys up to?
[20:12] <rgreening> how the heck do you debug a kde app? I have kdbg installed and debug symbols for the package... any pointers. debugging ark
[20:13] <rgreening> oh.. nm. got it working
[20:13] <smarter> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Debugging
[20:13] <smarter> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/FAQs/Debugging_FAQ
[20:14] <apachelogger> rgreening: gdb APP
[20:14] <apachelogger> then run
[20:14] <apachelogger> then wait for the crash
[20:14] <apachelogger> then bt
[20:14] <apachelogger> then you haz a backtrace
[20:15] <rgreening> no crash. I'm trying to figure out why gz files dont open...
[20:15] <apachelogger> strace it
[20:15] <apachelogger> questions is
[20:15] <apachelogger> when does it not open gz files?
[20:15] <apachelogger> I patched that in
[20:15] <rgreening> $ ark file.gz, same from within konq.
[20:16] <rgreening> it always displays a blank pane
[20:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:16] <apachelogger> eh?
[20:16] <apachelogger> oh?
[20:16] <apachelogger> uh?
[20:16]  * apachelogger fires up the vms
[20:20] <rgreening> hehe
[20:21] <apachelogger> hm
[20:21] <apachelogger> I thought jonny boy said it works -.-
[20:22] <Riddell> on this channel it helps to qualify your jonathans :)
[20:22] <jussi01> hehe
[20:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: you would be jr :P
[20:23] <apachelogger> hm
[20:23] <apachelogger> technically gzipy should work
[20:25] <rgreening> apachelogger: ok, in the debugger, it never reaches into gzplugin.cpp
[20:25] <rgreening> so, tells me it's not working and the patch isn't functional (unless Im doing something wrong)
[20:25] <apachelogger> /usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libgz.so
[20:25] <apachelogger> /usr/share/kde4/services/kerfuffle_libgz.desktop
[20:25] <apachelogger> the problem seems to be in a desktop file
[20:26] <rgreening> I even did a lsof on ark... the /usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libgz.so is never touched
[20:28] <Riddell> rgreening: where's that guidance-p-m patch of yours again?
[20:28] <rgreening> ScottK had added, but forgot to add in a comment for my addition.. so, not sure where it got inserted...
[20:29] <rgreening> but let me see if I can dig up from my system
[20:30] <rgreening> I think he re-wrote what I had as patch 01
[20:30] <apachelogger> write(2, "ark(26231)/kdecore (trader) KMim"..., 139ark(26231)/kdecore (trader) KMimeTypeTrader::query: query for mimeType  "application/x-gzip" ,  "Kerfuffle/Plugin"  : returning  2  offers
[20:30] <rgreening> though maybe not..
[20:31] <rgreening> Ridell: let me check my e-mail sent items
[20:32] <rgreening> Riddell: I e-mailed it to you...
[20:32] <rgreening> now
[20:32] <apachelogger> hm
[20:32] <apachelogger> I think I got the problem
[20:33] <rgreening> apachelogger: wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:33] <seele> Riddell: did you say you were doing a remix > intrepid upgrade?  did it work?
[20:33]  * rgreening crosses fingers
[20:34] <rgreening> Riddell: I think the bits in the diff were integrated in his 01 patch for HAL... from the looks of it.
[20:34] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[20:34]  * rgreening slomps down on the desk
[20:34] <apachelogger> ah
[20:34] <rgreening> slumps even
[20:34] <apachelogger> forgot kbuildsycoca4
[20:34] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:34] <apachelogger> I am ze king
[20:35]  * apachelogger is in love with himself
[20:36] <jussi01> seele: mine worked ok... except it landed me at busybox... had to reconfigure xorg and reinstall fglrx
[20:36] <jussi01> apachelogger: we knew that :P
[20:36]  * jussi01 hugs apachelogger
[20:37] <rgreening> apachelogger: whats the fix
[20:37] <seele> jussi01: blah.. i cant log in with kdm and i dont know what's wrong to fix it
[20:37] <apachelogger> metellius, rgreening: kde svn 874525
[20:37] <seele> so i can't test anything else, heh
[20:37]  * apachelogger rehugs jussi01
[20:38] <jussi01> seele: oh bleh... that sucks. tried moving your .kde folder? (im guessing so...)
[20:38] <Riddell> seele: it's worked for me in the past
[20:38] <jussi01> apachelogger: you are my superhero :D
[20:38] <Riddell> seele: check that KDM has "KDE" selected in the Session menu
[20:39]  * seele falls out of her chair
[20:39] <seele> Riddell: ARGH! (there was no default selection)
[20:39] <jussi01> hehe
[20:39]  * seele cries
[20:40] <seele> i spent an hour looking through bug reports to see what the problem was
[20:40] <jussi01> seele: Im glad you got it sorted :D
[20:40] <apachelogger> rgreening: do we have a BR for the gzip stuff?
[20:40] <rgreening> apachelogger: so I was right... it never got out of libarchive...
[20:40] <rgreening> BR?
[20:40] <apachelogger> bug report
[20:40] <rgreening> oh.. no. ScottK asked me to look at it
[20:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: the knowledge that it didn't get out of libarchive isn't woth anything if you don't know why :P
[20:42] <rgreening> apachelogger: that's why I was running the debugger...
[20:42] <rgreening> :)
[20:42] <apachelogger> rgreening: kdebugdialog
[20:42] <rgreening> hmm...
[20:42] <apachelogger> runtime debugging is way more fun than backtracing :P
[20:42] <rgreening> omg... new one for me...
[20:42] <rgreening> :)
[20:42] <rgreening> never knew about it
[20:43]  * rgreening learns more every day.
[20:43]  * rgreening is in debt to the logger of apaches :)
[20:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: fix for ark uploaded, if you want to you can apply it yourself to usr/share/kde4/services/kerfuffle_libarchive.desktop ... http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=874525
[20:44] <rgreening> wow.. that would have saved me hours or searching
[20:44] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, only if upstream was nice enough to add loads of debug
[20:44] <apachelogger> otherwise the fun begins :D
[20:44] <rgreening> true... in this case, it pointed in the correct direction
[20:45] <apachelogger> analyzing code and adding random kDebug()'s
[20:45] <rgreening> thanks man. you ROCK!
[20:45] <apachelogger> rgreening: I know :P
[20:45] <rgreening> are you going to UDS?
[20:45] <apachelogger> nope
[20:45] <seele> hmm.. gethotnewstuff still doesnt work?
[20:45] <rgreening> dam... I owe you beer...
[20:45] <rgreening> :P
[20:45] <apachelogger> not only you ;-)
[20:45] <rgreening> lol
[20:45] <apachelogger> seele: what makes you think that?
[20:46] <seele> apachelogger: any plasmoids i isntall dont show up in the list?
[20:46] <apachelogger> meh
[20:46] <apachelogger> probably again binary plasmoids in the scripted plasmoid list
[20:46] <rgreening> apachelogger: well, maybe I'll proxy a beer onto someone else for ya. :P
[20:46] <seele> apachelogger: and only two plasmoids show up in the list, it should be more than that, no?
[20:47] <apachelogger> seele: no, it only can list script plasmoids
[20:47] <apachelogger> i.e. such using python/ruby/javascript
[20:47] <apachelogger> there aren't many of them
[20:47] <apachelogger> ...if any...
[20:47] <smarter> apachelogger: what's kdebugdialog?
[20:47] <apachelogger> smarter: control application for which debug messages to show
[20:48] <apachelogger> I hate it
[20:49] <smarter> oh yes, forgot that one
[20:49] <smarter> why?
[20:49] <apachelogger> seele: amarok reflections is a superkaramba theme
[20:49]  * apachelogger logs in and starts moving
[20:50] <rgreening> apachelogger/ScottK: I'll take care of the fix for ark. I have to run atm. But I'll be back shortly... and fwd the diff.
[20:50] <apachelogger> rgreening: I already uploaded the package
[20:50] <rgreening> wow.. ok. that was quick
[20:51]  * rgreening thinks apachelogger is a machine
[20:51] <rgreening> :)
[20:51] <rgreening> ok. back in an hour or so. thanks.
[20:51] <seele> hmm.. i thought the dummy more... link in adept was going to be taken out
[20:54] <apachelogger> seele: cleaned up plasma again
[20:54] <apachelogger> back to 0 script plasmoids :(
[21:02] <emgent> uhm
[21:02] <emgent> (gdb) kopete(9068) Kopete::AccountManager::setOnlineStatus: category:  2
[21:02] <emgent> ASSERT: "i >= 0 && i < size()" in file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qbytearray.h, line 379
[21:02] <emgent> msn in kopete is nice.. :)
[21:14] <Riddell> seele: so it had no session selected and didn't give you a warning?
[21:23] <seele> Riddell: right
[21:24]  * seele still feels a little silly about not figuring it out
[21:25] <Riddell> seele: I remember it giving me an ugly warning when I tried, but just silently failing is quite nasty
[21:27] <Riddell> bit late for a fix though, we'll need to make sure it's clearly in the upgrade documentation
[21:47] <apachelogger> Riddell, seele: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot175.png
[21:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah, that's what I got
[21:48] <Riddell> not very friendly but better than nothing
[21:48] <apachelogger> seele: what do you have in your .dmrc?
[21:48]  * apachelogger supposes it is rewritten yet anyway :S
[21:49] <seele> apachelogger: sec.. gotta load the vm
[21:52] <seele> ah, yeah.. it must have been
[21:54] <seele> apachelogger: added a new user and the Session=default
[21:54]  * apachelogger finds this very weird
[21:54] <seele> apachelogger: but back in KDM for the first login, there is no selection
[21:55] <seele> so it does the false login thing
[21:55] <apachelogger> seele: no session selection?
[21:55] <seele> apachelogger: i can select the Session Type and then it works.. but by default nothing is there
[21:55] <apachelogger> seele: well, there is a minor glitch, for some reason KDM doesn't display which session it would use
[21:56] <seele> apachelogger: "Default (previous)" which i assume correlates with Session=default is not selected
[21:56] <seele> oh, heh
[21:56] <apachelogger> only way to find out is less .dmrc
[22:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: bug 287097 is won't fix, we're a KDE distro and like to be associated as one
[22:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: wonderful statement
[22:11] <Tonio_> hi there
[22:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just tested enabling desktop effects on hardy with an intel ship
[22:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: works, but it seems to break ksplash/moodin
[22:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that known problem ?
[22:12] <Riddell> hi rgreening, I e-mailed a couple of wee queries about that patch
[22:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: we don't use moodin any more
[22:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: just to know if I can enable it by default for our clients or not :)
[22:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: on hardy ?
[22:13] <Riddell> oh, sure hardy, dunno
[22:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: using compiz or kwin?
[22:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact with desktop effects enabled, the all screen goes grey and I only see the icons
[22:13] <Riddell> I expect both have problems
[22:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde3, so I think compiz loads by default...
[22:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so if I want 3D desktop, I have to disable the splash screen....
[22:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: we don't use a splash screen by default in hardy
[22:14] <Riddell> so re-disable it :)
[22:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I pretty much like it :) I saw it was disabled by default, since I had to re-enable it :)
[22:16] <Tonio_> I'll test and decide... 3D desktop isn't that important btw
[22:16] <Riddell> ksplash slows down startup time in kde 3
[22:16] <Riddell> more important than ksplash :)
[22:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum okay :)
[22:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: WOW !!!!!! it really slows it....
[22:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is something like 5 times faster without ksplash
[22:21] <Riddell> I did say :)
[22:22]  * Tonio_ notes that when Riddell says, better is to listen carefully !
[22:24] <blizzz> is the python clock plasmoid in II supposed to work? because it doesn't for me
[22:26] <apachelogger> rgreening: ^
[22:26] <blizzz> no hand moves, when right-clicking an exception is triggered and when trying to open its settings a error message is send, that an unknown timezone is set
[22:27] <blizzz> erm, it tries to set an unknown timezone i mean, namely "Local"
[22:28] <apachelogger> that seems like a sensible timezone, unless that isn't some kind of variable name :P
[22:28] <apachelogger> so
[22:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you going to package the almighty 4.5 tp?
[22:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: no current plans to
[22:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd be interested to check that it works with external phonon in qtwebkit though
[22:29] <blizzz> well this is how it is in the source. i tried to take something else (by luck - i don't know the valid strings), but didn't work either
[22:29] <apachelogger> we need more minions :S
[22:30] <apachelogger> blizzz: cat /etc/timezone
[22:30] <apachelogger> that would be a valid string I guess
[22:31] <blizzz> apachelogger: there is no file timezone in etc
[22:31] <apachelogger> that is
[22:31] <rgreening> blizzz: no. the dataengine isn't functioning at the moment. just the gui part.
[22:31] <apachelogger> intersting
[22:32] <rgreening> Riddell: did you upload my plasma python fix  (prevents the exception)
[22:32] <blizzz> rgreening: is this because of the python support or because of the dataengine?
[22:33] <blizzz> apachelogger: there is localtime, but thats something binary
[22:33] <rgreening> dataengine is in python, but not working
[22:33] <apachelogger> rgreening: I told you to remove it ... there you have your first complaint :P
[22:34] <rgreening> lol. if the fix was uploaded and if the example was a suggests... it would be diff. and I plan on fixing the dataengine shortly...
[22:34] <blizzz> rgreening: yes, but is the dataengine broken or the underlying python support delivert by plasmas scriptengine?
[22:34] <rgreening> it's the example thats broken at the moment
[22:35] <rgreening> the gui works but thats all
[22:35] <blizzz> okay, that's not too bad
[22:35] <rgreening> exactly...
[22:35] <rgreening> the plasma python works
[22:35] <rgreening> Riddell: you around
[22:35] <Riddell> rgreening: "* Fix crashing in examples for plasma-python-examples (temp only fix)" ?
[22:36] <rgreening> yeah
[22:36] <rgreening> did that get in
[22:37] <Riddell> /usr/share/doc/kdebase-workspace-bin/changelog.Debian.gz says it did
[22:38] <rgreening> hmm... ok, perhaps blizzz needs to update.. blizz what ver of the package do you have
[22:39] <blizzz> rgreening: 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu11
[22:40] <rgreening> shouldn't be getting the exception... can you remove the examples package via a apt-get purge
[22:40] <rgreening> and re-install
[22:41] <blizzz> i do
[22:41] <jjesse> interesting problem on my intrepid build, when i launch konsole i get another scim icon in my taskbar and then konsole won't open any ideas?
[22:42] <apachelogger> jjesse: another?
[22:42] <jjesse> apachelogger: i have two scim icons in my taskbar when i launch konsole
[22:42] <apachelogger> screenie
[22:43] <jjesse> trying to get one
[22:44] <jjesse> hrmm have a bunch of updates, let me run those first befroe i bug you all again
[22:44] <jussi01> jjesse: curious, i had a simiöar problem, when I uninstalled gtk-qt-engine, it went away
[22:45] <rgreening> doesn't crash or cause an exception here for me
[22:46] <rgreening> blizzz: sry.. lost net. did you answer?
[22:47] <blizzzek> rgreening: no difference
[22:47] <rgreening> blizzz: 1 sec... im going to purge on my end and re-install
[22:49] <jjesse> jussi01: ok let me see what happens after updates
[22:50] <jussi01> :)
[23:09] <rgreening> blizzz, can you do me a favor...
[23:10] <rgreening> blizzz: open /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/plasmoids/plasma-pyclock/contents/code/main.py and look at line 58.
[23:10] <rgreening> blizzz: tell me if its commented out
[23:10] <rgreening> if you have the right one, it should be
[23:11] <rgreening> as well as line 151 should be commented out.
[23:15] <blizzz> rgreening: it is commented out
[23:17] <rgreening> ok, so, what heppens when you launch the applet.. exactly.
[23:18] <rgreening> and how are you launching it?
[23:18] <blizzz> rgreening: i open it in console with plasmoidviewer.
[23:18] <blizzz> there appear a bunch of messages, but everything seems fine
[23:18] <rgreening> and what happens
[23:18] <blizzz> that is no error
[23:18] <blizzz> so a window opens with the clock
[23:18] <rgreening> ok. good.
[23:19] <blizzz> both hands point at 0 o'click
[23:19] <rgreening> yep
[23:19] <blizzz> they won't move
[23:19] <rgreening> and the engine for time is the commented out part. I though there was an exception and crash
[23:19] <blizzz> no, but i get an exception when i rightclick the clock
[23:19] <rgreening> so no crash.. and no exception... right
[23:20] <blizzz> though it does not crash somehow
[23:20] <rgreening> 1 sec
[23:21] <rgreening> yeah. checked, harmless (though I'll clean it up as soon as I can)... ok
[23:21] <rgreening> the settings menu is commented out for now as well
[23:22] <rgreening> if some enterprising person wanted to hack on it, I'd be glad to assist in getting the fix in :)
[23:22] <blizzz> however, when i click on settings it says: plasmoidviewer(14010) KTimeZoneWidget::setSelected: No such zone: "Local"
[23:23] <rgreening> yep. it was a default in the code and the tz is likely not a valid tx to use in the code.
[23:23] <rgreening> s/tx/tz
[23:23] <blizzz> rgreening: i want to get into pythonplasmoiding, that's why i tested this out :)
[23:24] <rgreening> cool. thats why I backported the library as well... the example was a victim though and needs some love. I may just write a more simple example to include once I get a better understanding myself.
[23:27] <blizzz> i will try as well :)
[23:27] <rgreening> good stuff
[23:27] <blizzz> this is something exciting, i was waiting for months for python support :D
[23:28] <blizzz> in our forum was a request for a tutoial/help once ago, so this is something one can convey it to the people in irc events or workshops


[01:01] <staind9383> good evening
[01:08] <tgm4883> !ask | staind9383
[01:08] <ubotu> staind9383: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:09] <staind9383> haha, ok thanks
[01:09] <nettow0822> tgm4883 did you get to see my post?
[01:09] <tgm4883> sec
[01:10] <tgm4883> nettow0822, haven't heard of that issue before
[01:10] <nettow0822> ok ty
[01:21] <nettow0822> tgm4883 what is the easiest way to tell what tuner is with what adapter?
[01:27] <staind9383> is it normal for  firewire channel change to take more then a few seconds to change channels?  It looks like there is no 'enter' command at the end of the number string, so it waits for more input then finally changes
[01:30] <nettow0822> hit the enter key after selecting the channel.....see if that helps
[01:32] <staind9383> the script doesnt initiate the change until after i hit enter on the channel i want to goto
[01:33] <danzigrules> at least you got firewire to work ;p
[01:33] <staind9383> in any case, the result of this is recording about 2 seconds ofthe previous channel when a new recording runs
[01:33] <staind9383> danzigrules: good call, a big pain in itself
[01:34] <danzigrules> I still can't get it to work
[01:34] <staind9383> its flakey... every once in a while, it refuses to prime and that is that...  i had it working for months, then like 2 weeks ago it just stopped
[01:35] <staind9383> then about a week ago it started working again
[01:35] <danzigrules> I keep getting a firechan error
[01:35] <danzigrules> firechan, error unable to get handle for port 0 error no valid capture cards are defind in database
[01:35] <staind9383> i've never seen that one
[01:35] <staind9383> does plugreport show you a connection?
[01:36] <danzigrules> yip
[01:36] <tgm4883> danzigrules, can you pastebin the output of plugreport?
[01:36] <danzigrules> sure, gimme a sec
[01:36] <tgm4883> nettow0822, what do you mean what tuner with what adapter?
[01:37] <nettow0822> dev/adapter
[01:39] <danzigrules> http://pastebin.com/m7e0bf3f1
[01:40] <nettow0822> is there a way to enter the channels.conf info manually into mythtv?
[01:40] <nettow0822> this info    WDSIDT:621000000:QAM_256:2048:2049:1
[01:42] <tgm4883_laptop> nettow0822, you may be able to do it in mythweb
[01:42] <tgm4883_laptop> danzigrules, can you successfully prime it?
[01:42] <danzigrules> yip
[01:43] <tgm4883_laptop> can you post that command
[01:45] <danzigrules> http://pastebin.com/m6e312aef <--- the backend log
[01:45] <danzigrules> you want the prime command?
[01:46] <danzigrules> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_Firewire <-- I followed that
[01:46] <tgm4883_laptop> danzigrules, yes, but i want the one you specifically used successfuly
[01:47] <staind9383> danzigrules: looks like you didnt specify the right type of box
[01:47] <staind9383> what model calbe box you have?
[01:48] <danzigrules> dct6416 III
[01:48] <danzigrules> one sec tgm4883
[01:50] <staind9383> 'FireChan, Error: Model: 'Other' is not supported by internal channel changer.' seems to indicate that the setting in mythbackend for cable box model was on other... i think.  There should be an option for your box
[01:50] <danzigrules> just 6200 and sa_something
[01:50] <staind9383> o
[01:51] <danzigrules> http://pastebin.com/m510df3a
[01:51] <danzigrules> myth_prime.c
[01:51] <danzigrules> is what I used
[01:52] <danzigrules> unless you want the /etc/init.d mythtv-backend file
[02:13] <MythbuntuGuest47> Hello... Having an issue when entering LIVE TV, mysql will crash and scheduled programs will not record.  Have to repair the database each time.  Using Mythbuntu 7.10
[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest47> anyone have an idea as to what is causing the crash?
[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest47> *should mention, this does not happen ALL the time and the PC locks... Upon reboot MYSQL is corrupt
[03:03] <nettow0822> tgm4883_laptop I found someone with the same problem.....http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/308655?search_string=channels.conf;#308655
[03:11] <staind9383> is it possible to transcode a hd recording captured from a firewire box to dvd?
[03:11] <staind9383> nuvexport?
[03:17] <rhpot1991> staind9383: nuvexport just exports them it doesn't modify the current recording so it depends if that is what you are looking for
[03:17] <rhpot1991> I could prob add a line to mythexport to do so if you came up with a ffmpeg line that worked well
[03:17] <staind9383> doesnt nuvexport interface with transcode?
[03:17] <rhpot1991> I've only ever ran it from the command line
[03:18] <staind9383> hrm
[03:21] <rhpot1991> staind9383: are you looking to write the files to dvd for playback?
[03:21] <staind9383> here's sometihng strange... i'm not doing anythin, but the cpu usage on mythfrontend is 100%... i just finished watchin live tv.  only one core is pegged though.. the other is completely idle
[03:21] <rhpot1991> top?
[03:22] <staind9383> yea
[03:22] <rhpot1991> mytharchive can do that for you
[03:22] <rhpot1991> can write them for playback in players or in computer I believe
[03:22] <staind9383> i'm not running anything else though... not at the moment
[03:22] <rhpot1991> what does top show?
[03:22] <rhpot1991> launch a terminal or ssh in and run top
[03:23] <staind9383> yea top shows 33% us, 66%sys on one core
[03:23] <staind9383> the other core is 0%
[03:23] <rhpot1991> it should show you what process is doing that though
[03:23] <staind9383> mythfrontend.re
[03:23] <rhpot1991> what menu are you sitting on?
[03:23] <staind9383> setup
[03:23] <rhpot1991> I see the thumbnails eat cpu on mine, never 100% though
[03:24] <rhpot1991> I'd restart the frontend
[03:24] <rhpot1991> exit out
[03:24] <staind9383> that was raelly strange...
[03:24] <staind9383> i went back one menu in the heirarchy
[03:24] <staind9383> and the usage dropped liek a rock
[03:24] <rhpot1991> you running 0.21?
[03:25] <rhpot1991> I'd keep an eye on it and just assume it was a hiccup
[03:25] <rhpot1991> if it happens more then worry about it
[03:25] <staind9383> think so... whatever version was on the latest rev of mythbuntu
[03:25] <rhpot1991> depends which version of mythbuntu/ubuntu you are running and where your mythtv sources are coming from
[03:26] <staind9383> i went back into the main setup menu and the core is pegged again
[03:27] <staind9383> i'm running 2.6.22-14, x86-64
[03:27] <staind9383> ubuntu 7.10
[03:28] <rhpot1991> dpkg -l mythtv-backend
[03:28] <rhpot1991> run that
[03:28] <rhpot1991> 0.20.2 prob
[03:28] <staind9383> 0.20.2-0ubuntu10
[03:30] <rhpot1991> check your /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log for anything funky
[03:32] <staind9383> nothing from the past few mins.  I see lots of NVP: prebuffering pause and NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[03:32] <rhpot1991> those are normally from playback
[03:32] <staind9383> those appear during times i was watching tv
[03:32] <rhpot1991> wifi?
[03:32] <staind9383> nope
[03:33] <rhpot1991> how fast is your cpu?
[03:33] <rhpot1991> might be a HD thing
[03:33] <staind9383> 3600+ x2
[03:33] <staind9383> maybe
[03:33] <staind9383> using firewire to record... maybe something to do with that?
[03:33] <rhpot1991> I get a lot of those with the experimental builds while playing over wifi, but thats about the only time
[03:33] <rhpot1991> I just started messing with firewire so I'm not all that informed there, and my box is very underpowered for it
[03:34] <rhpot1991> I'd reboot and see if you are still seeing that cpu problem, your system is up to date and all right?
[03:34] <staind9383> should be
[03:34] <staind9383> i'll double check and reboot
[03:35] <danzigrules> geez, all the people that got firewire to work
[03:36] <staind9383> danzigrules: i'd say i'm damn lucky when it comes to that
[03:36] <rhpot1991> danzigrules: it works almost OOB with the new trunk weekly builds
[03:36] <rhpot1991> installs all the files there for you, just need to figure out the firewire config stuff yourself
[03:36] <staind9383> rhpot1991: i have some stuff out of date, should I just apt-get upgrade?  what are the odds that will break something
[03:37] <danzigrules> if I had a clue how to get the newest I would try that ;p
[03:37] <rhpot1991> it *shouldn't* break anything
[03:37] <staind9383> haha
[03:37] <rhpot1991> I've seen crazier things happen though
[03:37] <rhpot1991> I generally let whatever upgrade as long as things aren't being removed
[03:37] <rhpot1991> then ask questions later if anything goes wrong
[03:37] <staind9383> ok then, well i have not put that much time into this freshest install... so it doesnt really matter if it screws up
[03:37] <rhpot1991> you can always sudo apt-get -s upgrade if you are worried
[03:37] <rhpot1991> will do a test run
[03:38] <staind9383> oh yea?>
[03:38] <rhpot1991> I've never seen it fail so I'm not sure how useful it is
[03:38] <staind9383> i really have to learn more about linux
[03:39] <rhpot1991> danzig: http://www.mythbuntu.com/auto-builds
[03:39] <staind9383> danzigrules: are you sure that your particular box is supported via firewire?
[03:40] <rhpot1991> danzigrules: warning they are trunk builds and they are the same builds that are in the mythbuntu alpha releases, so stability may be an issue at points
[03:40] <staind9383> i've only seen mention of the SA ones and the 6200 series
[03:40] <rhpot1991> ya do you have any info on your box?
[03:40] <rhpot1991> I have a 3200 working well
[03:40] <staind9383> mine is the sa4250hd
[03:41] <staind9383> rhpot do you see a lag time between when you tell myth to change channel and when the box actually changes?
[03:46] <rhpot1991> yes
[03:46] <staind9383> ok.  well i feel better that it's not only me then
[03:47] <rhpot1991> how long of a lag?
[03:48] <rhpot1991> danzigrules: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire
[03:48] <rhpot1991> that is pretty good, I had to work around it not finding the firewire GUID with the trunk builds, but I don't think you need to worry about that
[03:49] <staind9383> well its like you pressed the channel numbers onthe remote but did not hit the enter button
[03:49] <staind9383> so you hav eto wait for the channels to take
[03:49] <staind9383> its not terribly long
[03:49] <danzigrules> sorry I was setting up the weekly builds
[03:50] <danzigrules> I thought I saw that someone had got the stb to work
[03:50] <danzigrules> I am trying to find it again
[03:54] <staind9383> rhpot1991: post updates that setup screen is still pegging my one core
[03:54] <staind9383> cpu0
[03:55] <danzigrules> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firewire_Cablebox_Compatability
[03:58] <staind9383> the main menu screen seems to put cpu at 100 % also
[04:00] <rhpot1991> danzigrules: try following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire
[04:00] <rhpot1991> unless you went with the trunk weekly builds
[04:00] <danzigrules> that is what I followed in the begining
[04:01] <danzigrules> now am updating
[04:02] <rhpot1991> if you go with the weekly builds all the files should be in place, but you still need to follow the stuff from the begining and make sure your box works with the broadcast method then setup the captuer source
[04:05] <danzigrules> k
[04:06] <staind9383> i'm off to sleep.  had enough for one night
[04:16] <danzigrules> well, it shows up in windows now, as a media server. now to see if I can watch live tv ;p
[04:35] <danzigrules> still no valid card
[04:36] <danzigrules> even changed the node thru phpadmin
[04:37] <rhpot1991> are you running trunk or fixes weekly builds?
[04:37] <rhpot1991> dpkg -l mythtv-backend, what version?
[04:39] <danzigrules> .21.0~fixes16340-0
[04:39] <rhpot1991> ya the files are only included in the trunk builds
[04:39] <rhpot1991> you need to install them by hand like the wiki says still
[04:41] <rhpot1991> did the firewire_tester stuff connect?
[04:44] <danzigrules> yes it connects
[04:45] <danzigrules> I added the apt-key and the repo, and it says I am updated
[04:50] <rhpot1991> what exactly is the problem, does it not show up in mythtv?
[04:50] <rhpot1991> did you check your logs and so on?
[04:50] <rhpot1991> and did you follow the entire wiki
[04:53] <danzigrules> still getting the no valid capture cards in database
[04:53] <danzigrules> in the log
[04:53] <rhpot1991> did it prime?
[04:55] <danzigrules> the file is different, wasn't sure if I should try to add all that again, but I appreciate your help
[04:56] <rhpot1991> I'd walk through the wiki again
[04:56] <rhpot1991> and make sure you follow everything
[04:56] <rhpot1991> skipping anything could cause it not to work
[04:57] <rhpot1991> that or go with the trunk builds if you don't mind running experimental software, or just wait for 8.04 to go past alphas
[06:45] <suamme1> this may seem a silly question, but in 8.04a3 how can i change the display aspect ratio to 16:9? It is adding letterboxes to my HD content and distorting my SD content.
[06:46] <suamme1> (actually, that's alpha 2 with all recent updates
[06:46] <WcktKlwn> I beleive you need to change the resolution
[06:46] <WcktKlwn> or are you talking about mythtv
[06:47] <suamme1> well, my x resolution is at 1280x768, but things are only distorted while playing video in myth
[06:49] <suamme1> for some reason i can't get nvidia-settings (7100 onboard) to go up to 1366x768 iirc.
[11:50]  * famicom is now playing: Ainsi Parlait Zarathoustra--SuKaR-- La Fange Tektribe
[13:26] <jduggan> did anyone answer my question last night? My screen session messed up so i couldnt reattach to see if i got a reply? :P
[13:29] <frank23> jduggan: only answer was <tgm4883> jduggan, screen setup wizard?
[13:31] <jduggan> oh
[13:32] <jduggan> its in SVN
[13:32] <jduggan> justinh's plugin
[13:32] <jduggan> iirc
[13:32] <jduggan> anyone know if its likely to be in mythtbuntu
[13:32] <jduggan> (trunk repo)
[15:44] <directhex|work> jduggan, if it's in trunk, why wouldn't it be in trunk builds?
[15:45] <jduggan> perhaps it was --disabled
[15:45] <jduggan> i dunno
[15:46] <jduggan> i didnt check what trunk build my mythbuntu box is running - but svn check out had it built in
[15:46] <jduggan> perhaps the next build will have it
[16:10] <tgm4883_laptop> jduggan, are you talking about where you set the arrows to your screen edges?
[16:12] <wilberfan> Man, what makes a perfectly good Mythbuntu install suddenly go kernel-panic on me?!
[16:14] <surlyjake> cat piss
[16:16] <wilberfan> gee, and I don't even have a cat....
[16:16] <wilberfan> It first locked up on shutdown...then gave me the following when I tried to reboot:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5265/
[16:17] <surlyjake> if it was me, I'd blame messy RAM
[16:17] <surlyjake> pull one out... play musical chairs with the ram sticks...
[16:18] <surlyjake> try using a single stick from another machine
[16:18] <wilberfan> really...?  hmmm.  never would have thought it was RAM related...
[16:18] <surlyjake> ...or run memtest.. (but that takes too much time)
[16:19] <wilberfan> huh.   ok...i'll give it a try...
[16:19] <wilberfan> brb
[16:19] <surlyjake> the error refers to ramdisk...
[16:19] <wilberfan> but wouldn't a RAM problem affect my other distros on the same machine...??
[16:19] <wilberfan> cuz everything else boots fine....
[16:19] <tgm4883_laptop> when it locked did you REISUB?
[16:19] <wilberfan> (sidux, gutsy, xp)
[16:20] <jduggan> tgm4883_laptop: yeap
[16:20] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop: yes, i did!  NO response whatsoever....total freezeup...
[16:21] <tgm4883_laptop> jduggan, that is in alpha 3 ( i played with it last night) so it should also be in trunk builds
[16:21] <tgm4883_laptop> wilberfan, wow, that is a hard lock :(
[16:21] <wilberfan> (actually, i RSEIUB'd)
[16:22] <wilberfan> i'd just done an update before trying to shutdown...any connection you think?
[16:22] <tgm4883_laptop> are you running 7.10?
[16:22] <wilberfan> yep
[16:22] <tgm4883_laptop> strange
[16:23] <wilberfan> i'm using the non-ext3 filesystem...(xfs?) could that be the prob?
[16:24] <tgm4883_laptop> wilberfan, are you using that on / or just on your recordings drive?
[16:24] <wilberfan> the / partition IS the recording drive
[16:25] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[16:25] <wilberfan> (is that bad??)
[16:25] <tgm4883_laptop> AFAIK, that is a bad idea to have / as xfs
[16:25] <wilberfan> really? (why am i learning this now?!)  ;)
[16:26] <tgm4883_laptop> you should partition your drive, leave 8-10 gb for / , I leave 1gb for swap and the rest mounted at /var/lib as xfs
[16:26] <tgm4883_laptop> wilberfan, not sure, i just read that / shouldn't be xfs, perhaps it was in mythtv-users
[16:26] <tgm4883_laptop> i do / as ext3
[16:26] <wilberfan> "the rest", meaning /home etc?
[16:27] <tgm4883_laptop> no, the rest of the drive
[16:27] <tgm4883_laptop> the above was for a dedicated machine
[16:27] <tgm4883_laptop> no need for /home on a seperate HD then
[16:28] <wilberfan> i'm a lil' confused...  how do i install myth / on one partition and designate the recording partition as xfs?
[16:28] <wilberfan> (i'm an intermediate noob)
[16:29] <wilberfan> and i smell a reinstall in my future!
[16:29] <tgm4883_laptop> during install, do manual partitioning
[16:30] <wilberfan> right...
[16:30] <wilberfan> (i do that anyway)
[16:30] <tgm4883_laptop> section off 8-10 gb as ext3 and mounted as root
[16:30] <wilberfan> right...
[16:30] <tgm4883_laptop> then do swap
[16:30]  * wilberfan is nodding
[16:31] <tgm4883_laptop> then for recordings, use the rest of the drive, mark it for xfs and mount it at /var/lib/
[16:31] <wilberfan> hmmmm.....
[16:31] <tgm4883_laptop> or wherever you want recordings to be
[16:31] <tgm4883_laptop> if you have done manual partitioning before, it's really not that hard
[16:31] <tgm4883_laptop> when you get in there you will see
[16:31] <wilberfan> i have, yeah...
[16:31] <directhex|work> i use xfs root at work
[16:32] <directhex|work> admittedly on sgi kit, with an sgi support contract
[16:32] <wilberfan> directhex|work: do you agree root might be better as ext3?
[16:32] <wilberfan> (just tryin' to get a consensus here..)  ;-)
[16:32] <directhex|work> wilberfan, i think that's a sensible attitude to take, yes
[16:33] <wilberfan> huh....  well, you phuck up and learn!  :-|
[16:33] <directhex|work> i say this as someone who used jfs root on his myth machine and is suffering for his sins
[16:34] <wilberfan> it's been a couple of months since i did my last mythbuntu install...is /var/lib/ the default recording location??
[16:34] <tgm4883_laptop> Sweet I just got an email from south africa that says i will receive 20% of $21 million if I help them out
[16:34] <directhex|work> yes. you don't need to make that folder the big one, it can be anywhere, as long as you change the recording location
[16:35] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop: lol.  buy me a new laptop then?
[16:35] <frank_> tgm4883_laptop: you'd be stupid not to!
[16:35] <directhex|work> i have a better offer
[16:35] <tgm4883_laptop> I know, to think, out of 6 billion people they picked me to help
[16:35] <wilberfan> directhex|work: wait, i'm confused again...
[16:35] <directhex|work> 50% of $15m from zimbabwe
[16:36] <tgm4883_laptop> I'd do it, but I'm already getting 10 million from Nigeria.  I just have to send them $5000 more for some paperwork
[16:36] <directhex|work> wilberfan, you can make any folder your recording directory if you want. /var/lib/mythtv is certainly the default though. it's just a little... inelegant if you want to share non-myth media across a network
[16:37]  * tgm4883_laptop thinks that /var/lib/ is a bad place for recordings
[16:37] <wilberfan> directhex|work: well, i'm NOT at the network-sharing stage yet!  :-0
[16:37] <tgm4883_laptop> only because /var needs to be formated during an install
[16:37] <directhex|work> tgm4883_laptop, i use /data/MythTV/Recordings \o/
[16:38] <wilberfan> so best advice on what i need to specify during the install...?? (during manual partition phase)?
[16:38] <wilberfan> cuz i'm gonna start reinstalling here in a sec!
[16:39] <wilberfan> ;)
[16:39] <tgm4883_laptop> is this a dedicated backend machine?
[16:39] <tgm4883_laptop> as in, not used as a desktop too?
[16:39] <wilberfan> well, it's a multi-distro machine... used as a desktop, too...
[16:40] <wilberfan> i've got sidux, xp, gutsy installed on it also....
[16:40] <wilberfan> (bit of a distro whore)
[16:40] <surlyjake> y dont you just run myth from inside of ubuntu
[16:41] <wilberfan> surlyjake: not sure i'd know how to do that yet!  (not even sure i knew that was possible!)
[16:41] <wilberfan> the whole mythbuntu install seemed like a good way to get my tootsies wet...
[16:42] <pdragon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy
[16:42] <surlyjake> it surely is. but from ubuntu, its super easy. i'm pretty sure you can install it from the gui package selector
[16:42] <pdragon> instructions for all possible combinations of mythbuntu frontend/backend/desktop
[16:42] <wilberfan> but i'll still need an xfs partition to record on...?
[16:43] <surlyjake> i just installed it by sudo apt-get. if i want myth up, i run it just like any other program
[16:43] <pdragon> xfs is recommended but not required
[16:43] <wilberfan> surlyjake: kewl
[16:43] <wilberfan> pdragon: so if i wanted to do the 'recommended' thing...?
[16:43] <pdragon> if you've got the free space to partition an xfs partition, you can just point the recording directory there when you run it on the desktop
[16:44] <surlyjake> use gparted to create whatever partition you want. my recomendation if your system is already up and working, just get an extra (perhaps external drive). format it however you want...
[16:44] <pdragon> you can change the directory mythbuntu records to at any time
[16:45] <surlyjake> my theory is, whenever your system is already working, dont mess around with your OS drive. (i'm too stupid to keep everything working)
[16:45] <wilberfan> well, it'd have to be one of the partitions in one of the 2 existing hd's in there now...
[16:45] <pdragon> no problem. just make sure that partition is mounted when it boots and you can set it as a recording directory
[16:45] <wilberfan> well, if you think about it:  i already have a (non-working!) rather huge xfs partition in there right now (the recently demised mythbuntu) AND a working gutsy install....
[16:46] <surlyjake> so reformat the xfs partition and point your recordings there
[16:46] <pdragon> then just install the mythtv packages and set the recording directory to that xfs partition and you're good to go
[16:46] <wilberfan> so i just need to mount the xfs partition (maybe reformat it?), then finger-out how to install mythtv withing gutsy...
[16:46] <wilberfan> (great minds think alike...!)
[16:46] <surlyjake> yessir
[16:47] <wilberfan> are youze guys gonna be around for awhile--in case i need my hand held?!  (LOL)
[16:47] <pdragon> yep. if you want instructions for installing mythtv on an existing desktop, go to that link i posted
[16:47] <surlyjake> use /data/recordings or just /recordings so as not to even put other data at risk
[16:47] <directhex|work> i recommend /badger
[16:47] <directhex|work> it's a fine mountpoint is /badger
[16:47] <surlyjake> im @work for 7 more hrs......
[16:47] <pdragon> yeah, i use /opt/mythtv/recordings myself
[16:47]  * wilberfan can't tell if directhex|work is joking
[16:48] <wilberfan> directhex|work: why "/badger"???
[16:48] <pdragon> why not /badger?
[16:48] <wilberfan> uh....sure  why not....
[16:49]  * wilberfan hates it when the big boys tease him
[16:49] <directhex|work> wilberfan, i'm anarchic and sarcastic, but for the most part, my sarcasm is never overtly false
[16:50] <wilberfan> I want the "Install a Frontend on an existing ubuntu Gutsy Desktop" option, don't I....
[16:50] <directhex|work> /badger is a perfectly acceptable mountpoint, technically. i'm usually using /tmp/badger when mounting isos
[16:50] <pdragon> yes
[16:50] <directhex|work> wilberfan, you need a backend first
[16:50] <pdragon> oop yeah... that's important :p
[16:50]  * wilberfan looks behind  himself
[16:51] <directhex|work> hang on...
[16:51] <wilberfan> now...see?   you have to be careful with Lil' Scottie here...
[16:51] <directhex|work> http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005
[16:51] <pdragon> you want Combined Backend, Frontend, & Regular Desktop
[16:51] <surlyjake> **i never knew myth could be so homoerotic
[16:52] <wilberfan> I didn't scroll down far enough:  THIS is the option I need:  " Install a Backend and Frontend on an existing Ubuntu Gutsy Desktop"
[16:52] <wilberfan> :D
[16:52] <wilberfan> duh.
[16:52] <surlyjake> hiding it right under your nose ;)
[16:52] <wilberfan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop
[16:53] <wilberfan> D.U.H.
[16:54] <wilberfan> wait...if i click on that install link (in gutsy) it will go get the packages for me?!
[16:54]  * wilberfan gives a low whistle
[16:54] <surlyjake> only one way to find out....
[16:55] <wilberfan> ok...  lemme go get my partition magic disc ready...
[16:55] <wilberfan> brb
[16:56]  * wilberfan starts his BuntuYoga regimine...
[16:58] <wilberfan> [Parted Magic I mean]
[17:06] <wilberfan> jeez, reformatting that partition took about 2.4 seconds...
[17:06] <wilberfan> (yay)
[17:07] <wilberfan> I just thought of a snag I'm gonna run into:  my xorg isn't configured for my TV...
[17:08] <wilberfan> (which always happened automatically during the mythbuntu install)
[17:08] <wilberfan> :(
[17:09] <surlyjake> ..... plug it in...
[17:09] <wilberfan> "it"?
[17:09] <wilberfan> you mean the tv?
[17:09] <surlyjake> yep. what kind is it?
[17:10] <wilberfan> A Phillips magavox (is that what you meant?)  NTSC
[17:10] <wilberfan> [Magnavox]
[17:11] <wilberfan> well, it's always plugged into the nvidia card on that machine...i just turned it on now...
[17:11] <surlyjake> lcd? plasma? what connections
[17:11] <surlyjake> old tube? what resolution
[17:11] <wilberfan> oh.  sorry.  s-video.  tube.  resolution?  uhhhh.... not totally sure...
[17:12] <tgm4883_laptop> 640 x 480 probably
[17:12] <wilberfan> sounds familiar...
[17:12] <surlyjake> yeah. 640 sounds about right.
[17:12] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, all tubes are 640x480
[17:12] <tgm4883_laptop> been a long time since i had a tube tv
[17:13] <wilberfan> lemme see if gutsy booted...
[17:14] <wilberfan_> ok.  gutsy booted ok....
[17:14] <surlyjake> go to the nvidia control panel and fire it up
[17:14] <wilberfan_> i have a bunch of updates...should i do those BEFORE doing this mythtv install?
[17:15] <wilberfan_> it's been so long!   Where's the nvidia control panel live?!
[17:16] <wilberfan_> nvidia-control?
[17:16] <surlyjake> nvidia-settings
[17:16] <wilberfan_> ah
[17:16] <wilberfan_> ok  it's open...
[17:17] <wilberfan_> oh, look  there's already a TV-0 thingie there...
[17:17] <surlyjake> GTFO! YEY!
[17:18] <wilberfan_> (no values though)
[17:18] <surlyjake> DOH
[17:18] <wilberfan_> "TV Encoder: NVIDIA"
[17:18] <wilberfan_> "TV Refresh Rate: Unkown"
[17:18] <wilberfan_> That's it
[17:20] <wilberfan_> Now what?
[17:21] <surlyjake> http://tracylogan.com/uploads/Image/nvidia-settings.png
[17:21] <surlyjake> where does the tv encoder thing show up?
[17:21] <surlyjake> along the left?
[17:22] <wilberfan_> "GPU 0 - (GeForce FX 5200)"
[17:22] <surlyjake> go to the x server display configuration option on the left
[17:22] <surlyjake> make it look like this:
[17:22] <surlyjake> http://www.ismprofessional.net/pascucci/wp-content/uploads/nvidia-settings.png
[17:23] <wilberfan_> Hey, there's a "TV-0 (Disabled) icon already there...
[17:23] <wilberfan_> :D
[17:24] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, even though it has "1280x1024"?
[17:25] <wilberfan_> And "make it look like this" omits the HOW part!  :-O
[17:27] <wilberfan_> wait...need to reboot...  brb
[17:36] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, the largest option i have for resolution is "1024x768"...and the refresh rate is greyed-out to "auto"...
[17:36] <surlyjake> what happens when you select it?
[17:36] <wilberfan_> or should i select the "640x480" one??
[17:37] <wilberfan_> "Auto" won't let me select it....greyed-out
[17:37] <surlyjake> oh. yeah. go to 640
[17:37] <wilberfan_> "Auto" still greyed-out, though....
[17:37] <surlyjake> can you just hit apply... or ok.. or something?
[17:37] <wilberfan_> should i do a "Detect Displays"??
[17:38] <surlyjake> that will just put a "1" and "2" on the appropriate display
[17:38] <wilberfan_> There IS a "Apply" down there, yeah...
[17:39] <wilberfan_> "The current settings cannot be completely applied due to one or more of the following reasons:"
[17:39] <wilberfan_> "The location of the X screen has changed"
[17:39] <wilberfan_> "The location type of an X screen has changed"
[17:40] <wilberfan_> (It goes on like that for awhile!)
[17:40] <wilberfan_> I guess I should "Save to X Configuration File"?
[17:40] <surlyjake> yep.
[17:41] <wilberfan_> "merge with existing file"?
[17:41] <surlyjake> what's the other option?
[17:41] <wilberfan_> just unchecking it...
[17:42] <wilberfan_> so the choices are 'merge' or not!
[17:42] <surlyjake> lol. i always just do whatever it defaults to.
[17:42] <surlyjake> if all hell breaks, you can fix it.
[17:42] <wilberfan_> lol   ok. it was checked by default...
[17:43] <surlyjake> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i think
[17:43] <wilberfan_> ok, now what...?
[17:43] <wilberfan_> restart x?
[17:43] <surlyjake> yep
[17:43] <wilberfan_> (gawd.  i hate doing this part!)
[17:43] <wilberfan_> ok...keep your fingers crossed...  brb
[17:45] <wilberfan_> should i see something on the tv now?  (I just logged out, and back in...that'll restart X, right?)
[17:45] <surlyjake> yep
[17:46] <surlyjake> ctrl+alt+backspace too
[17:46] <wilberfan_> cuz i'm not seein' squat
[17:46] <surlyjake> try pulling the nvidia settings back up
[17:46] <wilberfan_> Nah...TV-0 is still (Disabled)...
[17:47] <wilberfan_> something didn't "take"...
[17:48] <wilberfan_> I got this when I tried to merge:  "Unable to create new X config backup file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'."
[17:48] <surlyjake> oh shitz
[17:48] <wilberfan_> zat bad?
[17:48] <surlyjake> run sudo nvidia-settings
[17:48] <surlyjake> lol.
[17:48] <wilberfan_> d'oh!!!
[17:48] <surlyjake> your normal user cant edit the file anywayz....
[17:48] <surlyjake> derf. sorry
[17:49] <wilberfan_> That WOULD explain that error...yep....
[17:49] <wilberfan_> ;)
[17:49] <wilberfan_> WORKED THAT TIME!
[17:49] <wilberfan_> ;)
[17:50] <wilberfan_> ok...brb....
[17:52] <wilberfan_> Hey, I gotta desktop on my tv now!!
[17:52] <wilberfan_> :)
[17:53] <wilberfan_> i'm assuming my next job is to change fstab so that my xfs partition gets mounted...?  or....?
[17:53] <surlyjake> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.
[17:53] <wilberfan_> woot, indeed, my friend.  woot.
[17:53] <surlyjake> wilber. i have to say.. this is the first time my input has ever been helpfull to ANYONE on IRC. *im new here*
[17:54] <wilberfan_> well, then we're BOTH weiners...uh, winners...!
[17:54] <wilberfan_> what's our next task, there, sensei....?
[17:55] <surlyjake> yep. sudo nano /etc/fstab
[17:55] <wilberfan_> I already see an entry for my xfs partition in fstab...but it can't be correct...(the UUID will be the OLD one, yes?)
[17:55] <surlyjake> all the extra crap i have no idea about
[17:56] <surlyjake> all i understand are /dev/<whatever> and /<mountpoint>
[17:56] <wilberfan_> well, i know there's a command to display the device UUID's...but i don't remember what it is...
[17:56] <wilberfan_> i have it written down somewhere....
[17:56] <surlyjake> um. open up gparted to make sure that you are thinking of the right partition
[17:57] <wilberfan_> yeah...it's my "dev/sdb1" partition...  (first part on 2nd drive, i remember that...)
[17:58] <wilberfan_> "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid"  !
[18:00] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, ok, the existing mountpoint is "/media/sdb1"   I need to change that, don't I?
[18:01] <surlyjake> you don't need too, but i say you should.
[18:01] <surlyjake> but first you need to create the place where you will mount it
[18:01] <wilberfan_> but that means i have to CREATE the mountpoint...
[18:01] <wilberfan_> :)
[18:01] <wilberfan_> and then there's those pesky permissions!
[18:02] <wilberfan_> should i do the default myth point?
[18:02] <wilberfan_> or be creative?
[18:02] <surlyjake> only you can decide.
[18:02] <wilberfan_> crap
[18:02] <surlyjake> lol. sorry
[18:03] <wilberfan_> well.... help me out here...  i think "/something/recordings" would be good...
[18:03] <wilberfan_> where should i put it...?
[18:03] <surlyjake> /mythdata/recordings
[18:04] <surlyjake> hows that?
[18:04] <wilberfan_> that works...
[18:05] <wilberfan_> so now, uh,   "mkdir /mythdata/recordings"??
[18:05] <surlyjake> mkdir /mythdata
[18:05] <surlyjake> then /mythdata/recordings
[18:05] <wilberfan_> "SUDO mdkir /mythdata"?
[18:05] <surlyjake> LOL
[18:05] <surlyjake> yes
[18:05] <surlyjake> im a root cheater
[18:06] <wilberfan_> (man, gotta watch this kid like a HAWK!)
[18:06] <wilberfan_> OK.  got /mythdata created...
[18:07] <surlyjake> ok. forget about making the recording directory. make it after you mount the drive
[18:07] <surlyjake> now go back into fstab and point away
[18:08] <wilberfan_> oh.  ok.  we're gonna wait on the sub-directory?
[18:08] <surlyjake> yeah.
[18:08] <surlyjake> otherwise, the subdirectory will be on your root drive...
[18:08] <wilberfan_> does /mythdata already have the proper permissions?
[18:08] <surlyjake> trial and error
[18:08] <surlyjake> we can chown and chmod it after mounting it
[18:08] <wilberfan_> ok, lemme edit the fstab now....
[18:09] <wilberfan_> now, what is it?   sudo mount -a ?
[18:09] <surlyjake> sudo umount -a
[18:09] <surlyjake> then sudo mount -a
[18:11] <wilberfan_> well, umount told me several were busy...but i'm now the proud owner of a /mythdata partition on my desktop!
[18:11] <surlyjake> super.
[18:11] <wilberfan_> nowww.....?
[18:12] <surlyjake> chmod 777
[18:12] <wilberfan_> you better give me the entire command...
[18:12] <surlyjake> SUDO chmod 777 /mythdata
[18:12] <wilberfan_> (at least i knew enough to know that wasn't complete!)
[18:13] <surlyjake> SUDO chown <your username> /mythdata
[18:13] <wilberfan_> doesn't username have to be mythtv or something???
[18:13] <surlyjake> those are wide open permissions
[18:13] <surlyjake> 777
[18:14] <surlyjake> from my understanding 777 will let any user read/write/modify the data
[18:14] <wilberfan_> oh, ok.  cool.   done.
[18:14] <wilberfan_> (provided this works when were' done, this is fun...)
[18:15] <wilberfan_> we must be getting close to the back-and-frontend install....
[18:15] <surlyjake> im lazy with file permies on stuff like this, so yes... it is "insecure" but if you want to spend time securing TV recordings, go ahead
[18:15] <wilberfan_> nah.  not at this point...   too nooob.
[18:15] <wilberfan_> the world is welcome to my pr0n....
[18:16] <surlyjake> 2secs. i'm at work
[18:16] <wilberfan_> (wait. except that one with me and the cantelope!)
[18:19] <surlyjake> first, test out your mount by copying some stuff in there quick
[18:19] <wilberfan_> k
[18:20] <wilberfan_> [copying 347MB video file] so far, so good...
[18:21] <surlyjake> cool.
[18:21] <wilberfan_> done!  and it even plays!
[18:22] <wilberfan_> :)
[18:22] <surlyjake> alright. lets not get all distracted by your 347mb porn file
[18:22] <wilberfan_> [LOL!  thats exactly what it was!!]
[18:22] <wilberfan_> lol
[18:22] <surlyjake> now we are at the super easy gui part. smile for me.
[18:22] <wilberfan_> :D
[18:23] <surlyjake> this is also the well documented part. read this http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[18:23] <wilberfan_> [now officially jake's bitch, apparently]
[18:23] <surlyjake> skip about halfway down until you see "sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install mythtv mythtv-themes"
[18:23] <wilberfan_> Is that link better than this:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop?highlight=%28mythtv%29
[18:23] <wilberfan_> ?
[18:24] <surlyjake> ...yeading
[18:24] <surlyjake> *...reading
[18:25] <wilberfan_> it might amount to the same thing....
[18:26] <wilberfan_> (man, them blue screens bring back memories!)  {shudder}
[18:27] <surlyjake> yeah.  basically, except the ubuntu.com one references  the mythbuntu control center and is more gui-centric
[18:27] <surlyjake> go ahead and use the ubuntu one
[18:27] <surlyjake> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV#head-a2f3c5d4e6ca44e289fadd6e0f4a5fbded05efa7
[18:28] <wilberfan_> what's that link for?
[18:28] <wilberfan_> more help, right?
[18:28] <wilberfan_> (Oooh, look.  I DO have the PVR-350....)
[18:29] <wilberfan_> (Oh, wait...I'm using the nvidia s-video out...)
[18:29] <wilberfan_> so i can do the myth install now...?
[18:30] <wilberfan_> yikes.  here it comes!
[18:30] <wilberfan_> that's pretty frickin' nifty that you can click on a link and have things start installing....
[18:31] <wilberfan_> (too excited.  must go pee...)  brb
[18:33] <wilberfan_> hey, i get to specify my remote now...
[18:34] <wilberfan_> hmmm... I guess "Hauppage TV Card" is the best choice?
[18:37] <wilberfan_> [now installing xfce desktop]
[18:37] <wilberfan_> is it done?
[18:37] <wilberfan_> is there a way to tell?
[18:39] <wilberfan_> hmmm.   wonder what's next...  do i log out, and back into....myth?
[18:40] <tgm4883_laptop> try to start myth
[18:40] <tgm4883_laptop> it should prompt you to be added to the mythtv group
[18:40] <wilberfan_> via the mythbuntu control center...or....?
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> applications .> sound and video > mythtv
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> frontend
[18:42] <wilberfan_> tgm4883_laptop, don't i have to configure the backend first?
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> then mythtv-setup from MCC is what you want
[18:43] <wilberfan_> and there is no menu entry for myth in sound/video...
[18:44] <wilberfan_> should i keep the "Ubuntu Desktop" choice...since this has been added to a gutsy install?
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> IMO, MCC needs a little bit of clarification in that area
[18:44] <wilberfan_> even though this is an 'older' box?
[18:44] <wilberfan_> (Pentium 4)
[18:45] <tgm4883_laptop> well even if you uncheck Ubuntu Desktop, it will only remove the metapackage and not really accomplilsh anything
[18:45] <wilberfan_> (you know--i REALLY appreciate the help you guys are offering...]
[18:45] <wilberfan_> ah..ok.
[18:45] <wilberfan_> do i hit "apply" after each setup--or wait until the end--or...?
[18:46] <tgm4883_laptop> secondly, if you are only using it as a frontend, it will boot into xfce4 and gnome will only be using a small amount of HD space
[18:46] <tgm4883_laptop> apply after every page, it should prompt you to do so
[18:46] <wilberfan_> nah...it's back and front...
[18:46] <wilberfan_> "downloading add'l package files'.... ok
[18:46] <wilberfan_> must be installing the necessary back and front stuff....
[18:47] <wilberfan_> pretty cool....
[18:52] <wilberfan_> ok   system roles is done...next is probably....MythTV Config?
[18:52] <wilberfan_> ah...now there's a mythtv frontend entry in my menu, too....
[18:53] <wilberfan_> telling me to restart my session...  brb
[18:57] <wilberfan> hey, new theme!
[18:57] <wilberfan> first thing I notice though, is that at some point, something (xorg??) will have to be changed:  main display is coming up on computer monitor--NOT the TV...
[18:57] <surlyjake> *WOOOt. i'm back.
[18:57] <wilberfan> we missed ya!
[18:58] <wilberfan> after i get this all configured, do you know how to make the TV as the "main" display...?
[18:58] <wilberfan> cuz it's now the monitor...
[18:59] <wilberfan> oooh.  and here's where i have to specify the recording file etc...
[18:59] <surlyjake> should be in the nvidia-settings panel
[19:00] <wilberfan> you came back just in time!!
[19:00] <wilberfan> :)
[19:00] <wilberfan> looks like it's installed--time to configure...
[19:00] <wilberfan> how do we set up that "recordings" subdir now?
[19:01] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop has been helping in your absence....
[19:05] <surlyjake> suweet. how's it looking?
[19:05] <wilberfan> when do we set up the "recordings" subdir?
[19:06] <wilberfan> i'm in the configurating stage....
[19:07] <Tuv0k> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:07] <Tuv0k>  mythtv-frontend
[19:07] <Tuv0k> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[19:07] <Tuv0k> etc
[19:07] <Tuv0k> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:09] <rhpot1991_laptop> Tuv0k: sudo apt-get -f install
[19:09] <Tuv0k> cmon rhpot1991  you know I tried that:)
[19:09] <Tuv0k> I'm no noob
[19:10] <Tuv0k> ;)
[19:10] <wilberfan> [running mythfilldatabase]
[19:10] <rhpot1991_laptop> which builds are you running?
[19:10] <Tuv0k> hardy
[19:10] <Tuv0k> 13 not fully installed or removed
[19:11] <wilberfan> surlyjake: not sure when/how to create the /mythdata/recordings directory....
[19:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> and it was previously working right?
[19:11] <Tuv0k> yup
[19:11] <Tuv0k> Setting up mythtv-frontend (0.21.0~fixes16338-0ubuntu2)
[19:11] <Tuv0k> just noticed somethine
[19:11] <Tuv0k> chown: cannot access `/var/log/mythtv': No such file or directory
[19:11] <Tuv0k> wha!?!
[19:11] <surlyjake> @wilber-> i'm looking
[19:11] <Tuv0k> how can that be
[19:12] <surlyjake> @wilber-> i'm looking
[19:12] <wilberfan_> sweet.  mythfilldatabase still running ok...
[19:12] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, thanks dude...
[19:13] <wilberfan_> [watching mythfill]
[19:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> Tuv0k: is mythtv-backend already installed?
[19:14] <Tuv0k> backend is on a diffent machine
[19:14] <Tuv0k> this is only a afrontend
[19:17] <surlyjake> @wilber-> its in the backend setup. it should pull up automatically before you are done setting everything up https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/mythtv-setup?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=be_setup_3.png
[19:18] <Tuv0k> rhpot1991_laptop, fixed it
[19:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> just made the dir yourself?
[19:18] <Tuv0k> yeah
[19:18] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, hmmmm.  There was an option to set it up for me when i tried to quit the setup...but i don't think it worked....
[19:18] <Tuv0k> thx though
[19:19] <Tuv0k> give sup my regards :)
[19:19] <wilberfan_> Man, now i don't know how many of the plugins to select....
[19:19] <Tuv0k> I've relocated recently, so I have not been around much
[19:19] <wilberfan_> Mythflix never DID work before...
[19:20] <wilberfan_> What is MythVideo?
[19:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> Tuv0k: looks like that should have gotten fixed in the latest weekly builds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/185646
[19:20] <wilberfan_> And what about Media Playback Applications?   Do I select ALL?  Some?
[19:20] <surlyjake> all
[19:20] <surlyjake> have fun
[19:21] <wilberfan_> ;)
[19:21] <wilberfan_> this'll be nifty as hell (if it works!)!
[19:21] <wilberfan_> does myth select the player it uses?   do I select it...?
[19:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> wilberfan_: I believe its the internal mythplayer by default, but you can change that
[19:22] <wilberfan_> k
[19:25] <wilberfan_> "Generate dynamic button mappings"?
[19:25] <wilberfan_> under the Remote Control section...
[19:26] <wilberfan_> any ideas one way or the other?   (it's currently UNchecked)
[19:32] <wilberfan_> any idea what causes the faint horizontal bands that scroll up the tv screen?  (interlace or something??)
[19:32] <wilberfan_> or how to fix it?
[19:33] <wilberfan_> and...is it safe to issue a "shutdown -h 01:00" type command to shutdown the computer after I've done my recording for the evening?
[19:35] <MythbuntuGuest32> hi guys, i was hoping someone could help
[19:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> wilberfan_: should be fine, and you can enable deinterlacing to see if it helps (not really sure what you are describing)
[19:36] <MythbuntuGuest32> on my mythtv program guide the preview video is on the left and it is all fuzzy, everything else on myth is perfect
[19:36] <MythbuntuGuest32> can anyone help?
[19:36] <MythbuntuGuest32> (the preview video should be on the right)
[19:44] <wilberfan_> Guys, i gotta leave for work now...but just wanted to say Mega Gracias for all your help...   When I get back tonight (6-ish Pacific Time) maybe we can iron out the last remaining wrinkles!
[19:44] <wilberfan_> :-D
[19:48] <wilberfan> hmm.  does the keyboard not work with myth any more?!
[19:48] <wilberfan> oh, wait...there it goes....
[23:32] <wilberfan> is there a better way to shutdown my machine (post-recording) at the end of the night than just a shutdown command (ie, "shutdown -h 01:30" etc)?
[23:39] <wilberfan> [crickets chirping]


[01:32] <guiverc> Bashing-om, my UWN 745 read thru completed; no comments & looks good
[01:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great - logging out of the WIKI :D
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[20:07] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP"; log checked and no further edits are known - will push soonest :D
[20:23] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - doing the Re-directs next.
[20:36] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs done - pending is the notice on the M/L and release to the Social Medias.
[21:50] <guiverc> Bashing-om, fridge is ready to push for uwn 745
[21:52]  * guiverc notes you've already pushed to UF... :)
[21:53] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/07/25/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-745/
[21:57] <guiverc> posted 745 to telegram, twitter, reddit (as me)
[21:59] <Bashing-om> guiverc: My Ubuntu account - still unable to authticate to Google _ IS continues to try and find a workable solution for us - // can you also post to the M/L ?
[22:01] <guiverc> hadn't considered ML... I'm skipping fb for time  (I'll look at that when I return to melbourne later today).. doing ML now
[22:01] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Thanks :D
[22:02] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check and all looks good :D
[22:04] <guiverc> UWN 745 sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: \o/ - I can rest well on your laurals :P
[22:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear no to wipe - rinse - repeat ?
[22:10] <guiverc> yep clear away... I'm out with birbs etc... doing usual morning stuff, this box should be turned off before I leave, but I may forget.   ping if problems
[22:13] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 745 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2022/07/25/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-745/
[22:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Have fun - see ya laters :P
[22:27] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 746 started :D