[08:56] <teknico> good morning
[12:24] <alanbell> hi all
[12:24] <artir> o/
[12:26] <alanbell> I have been playing with xpra
[12:26] <alanbell> which is kind of like screen for x applications
[12:27] <alanbell> http://partiwm.org/wiki/xpra
[12:27] <alanbell> it is packaged for Karmic which is nice
[12:27] <alanbell> so you can have applications run in a server in the cloud, and connect to them and disconnect from them at will
[12:28] <alanbell> which is nice for things like pidgin for example
[12:28] <alanbell> I was going to run it on one of my servers, I think something like that would be really cool for U1 to provide.
[12:33] <thisfred> alanbell: sounds *very* interesting indeed!
[12:36] <thisfred> alanbell: it would be a good fit for U1, I think, but it's different to the other services we've planned right now, in that people would be running more or less arbitrary software on our cloud, where what we've got lined up is a set of services reachable through the net. I'm not sure I'm making the distinction clear.
[12:37] <thisfred> alanbell: providing xpra would probably mean providing virtual machines in the cloud, in a similar way to what amazon does with EC2. This is not yet part of our plans, AFAIK.
[12:37] <thisfred> but I'm definitely going to check out xpra!
[12:37] <alanbell> that makes sense
[12:38] <alanbell> but a virtual machine in the cloud (maybe a lower spec one than the EC2 small instance) would be handy with desktop integration
[12:40] <thisfred> alanbell: we are thinking about screen sharing at some point, and this could be offered similarly, where our service could take care of the negotiaton between the xpra host and guest system through firewalls etc.
[12:41] <thisfred> and I would love to have a virtual machine in the cloud as well. That's not going to be simple or cheap to build and maintain I fear, though.
[12:43] <alanbell> a virtual machine in the cloud is a commodity item, but I am thinking of something less visible
[12:43] <thisfred> but perhaps with eucalyptus :)
[12:43] <thisfred> right, a virtual account on a virtual machine perhaps
[12:44] <thisfred> basically servers that *do* run X :)
[12:44] <thisfred> with accounts that are fairly limited in resources and permissions.
[12:44] <thisfred> could work
[12:44] <alanbell> From the user experience point of view what I would like is to have the gnome menu have an extra button against each entry so I can run any app locally, or run it remotely with persistence
[12:45] <thisfred> yeah, that'd be awesome
[12:45] <alanbell> and if I log on to another computer (or the same one for that matter) and give it my launchpad ID, all my remote apps appear
[12:46] <alanbell> from a user perspective I don't really consider it a vps
[12:46] <alanbell> just Ubuntu apps that can run remote
[12:47] <alanbell> and it might not be available for all apps
[12:47] <alanbell> perhaps not OpenOffice.org
[12:47] <thisfred> hehe
[12:47] <alanbell> or virtualbox :-0
[12:47] <thisfred> I'd imagine leightweight apps that care about connectivity mostly
[12:47] <alanbell> yes
[12:48] <thisfred> pidgin empathy, gwibber
[12:48] <benjamin__> hi, is ubuntuone-client suposed to work with kubuntu?
[12:48] <thisfred> although, for gwibber maybe not
[14:01] <CardinalFang> Oh gods, it is painful to call my internet-service tech support.
[14:05] <CardinalFang> I just had to say "Okay, please stop talking.  Nothing you said in the last two minutes is close to true."
[14:05] <CardinalFang> At least they're still demonizing the very concept of cookies.
[14:06] <dobey> haha
[14:06] <dobey> eh, cookies are great
[14:07] <CardinalFang> Between mixing kilo-and mega- and -bytes and -bits, this guy is woefully unprepared to talk about numbers.
[14:07] <dobey> heh
[14:09] <urbanape> "Hello, IT. Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
[14:09] <jdobrien> CardinalFang: he read in a magazine that cookies are evel
[14:12] <CardinalFang> I learned that they're malicious little leeches on your bandwidth that are always vying to talk back to their home servers, (and this is the good part) *even when you're not visiting those sites, or even USING A WEB BROWSER*.  AIEEE!  If I only had known!  Woe is me.
[14:12] <CardinalFang> ...and this is why I get half the bandwidth I expected.
[14:15] <jdobrien> A tip to ubuntuone users reporting problems in launchpad. Instead of adding a comment, use the link "This bug doesn't affect me (change)"
[14:15] <jdobrien> It's a very confusing link IMO
[14:21] <dobey> brb
[14:23] <thisfred> urbanape: you seem to have dropped off the other channel
[14:24] <urbanape> which other channel?
[14:24] <thisfred> sshhhh! ;)
[14:24] <thisfred> the sekrit internal one!
[14:25] <urbanape> am I back?
[14:25] <jdobrien> has anyone seen urbanape?
[14:25] <jdobrien> I need to ask him something
[14:25] <urbanape> ?
[14:26] <urbanape> ask away
[14:27] <thisfred> urbanape: yep
[14:27] <CardinalFang> Wow -- much better 26Mb/s & 1.9Mb/s.
[14:54] <dobey> CardinalFang: those are some odd numbers
[14:55]  * CardinalFang blames Teh cookies.
[14:56] <tahorg> there are viruses in cookies
[14:56] <tahorg> I've read it in "BoostUrPC magazine"
[15:00] <teknico> MEETING BEGINS
[15:00] <teknico> Welcome to the Ubuntu One Developers meeting. Please say "me" if you are here to attend!
[15:04] <dobey> me
[15:04] <dobey> odh
[15:04] <dobey> thank you freenode
[15:05] <teknico> BLOCKED: nothing
[15:05] <teknico> NEXT: urbanape
[15:05] <urbanape> DONE: got closer on FF extension, observers observing, various CouchDB libraries in play, Face duty was pretty light yesterday.
[15:05] <urbanape> TODO: get it to properly GET/PUT to CouchDB, chat with aquarius
[15:05] <urbanape> BLOCK: various JS goofiness, but nothing major
[15:06] <urbanape> NEXT: '()
[15:06] <dobey> oh hi irc
[15:06] <teknico> MEETING ENDS
[15:06] <dobey> me in case you didn't get it
[15:06] <aquarius> jblount: are you pursuing righteousness through the medium of YUI?  I fight it as much as you do :)
[15:09] <jblount> urbanape: Have you pinged aquarius about your question from last night? He may be the right person for it.
[15:09] <CardinalFang> DONE: Bought a replacement desk chair.  Eyeballed asyncore and SSL.  Cleaned up
[15:09] <CardinalFang> DBUS/Avahi code and added reverse-lookup (addr->name) function.
[15:09] <CardinalFang> TODO: Push tests and get reviews.  SSL in pairing somehow.
[15:09] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:09] <urbanape> jblount: we're skyping now
[15:09]  * jblount has gone from prophet to historian
[15:10] <CardinalFang> end?
[15:10] <teknico> MEETING ENDS (REALLY!)
[15:10] <dobey> verterok: migration branch looks good. why haven't you proprosed it yet? :)
[15:11] <verterok> dobey: I'm running the ubunet tests, just to be sure I didn't broked anything ;)
[15:11] <rodrigo_> dobey: btw, not sure if someone already told you, but the packages in nightlies/ppa (not sure which) have different versions, and syncdaemon is dying with ImportError's
[15:11] <verterok> dobey: also, went to sleep a few hours
[15:11] <dobey> ah ok
[15:11] <rodrigo_> dobey: trunk looks ok, so I guess it's a package issue
[15:11] <dobey> rodrigo_: it's because the metadata has the old module paths hardcoded
[15:12] <dobey> rodrigo_: verterok's migration branch will fix it :)
[15:12] <rodrigo_> ah ok
[15:18] <dobey> haha
[15:19] <dobey> aquarius: http://www.hulu.com/watch/79898/attack-of-the-show-the-transformers-talk-about-the-autobot-and-decepticon-war start at 2:30
[15:25] <jblount> dobey: Doesn't hulu only work in the states?
[15:28] <dobey> i don't know
[15:28] <dobey> i'm not not in the states
[15:33] <rodrigo_> it doesn't work from here
[15:33] <rodrigo_> dobey: where are you?
[15:34] <dobey> rodrigo_: in the US of course
[15:35] <jblount> lamalex: Yo, would you mind hitting this url and tell me what you see? https://ubuntuone.com/invitation/2/request/
[15:35] <rodrigo_> ah, you just said you're not in the states :)
[15:35] <dobey> rodrigo_: no, i said i'm NOT not in the states :)
[15:35] <rodrigo_> :D
[15:35] <lamalex> jblount: i get openid login
[15:36] <jblount> lamalex: Are you beta testing Ubuntu One?
[15:36] <lamalex> yah
[15:36] <lamalex> so i log in and get a server 500 error
[15:37] <dobey> yeah
[15:37] <dobey> looks like a bug in the server
[15:37] <jblount> lamalex: Does it provide a OOPS id?
[15:38] <lamalex> Oops-ID: 1278appserver134
[15:38] <jblount> lamalex: Perfect, thanks.
[15:38] <lamalex> no prob
[15:38] <dobey> hrmm
[15:38] <jblount> dobey: yeah, I was just confirming that the 500 template weirdness was fixed.
[15:38] <dobey> i didn't realize ubottu did that
[15:41] <lamalex> jblount: http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8276/server500t.png there's the whole thing if you need anything else
[15:47] <jblount> lamalex: Thanks, I didn't realize it still wasn't loading the stylesheet, so that is helpful.
[16:20] <jblount> Why is CouchDB always telling me to relax? Am I high strung!?!
[16:22]  * dobey pokes jblount
[16:23] <dobey> relax guy
[16:23] <jblount> heh
[16:31] <urbanape> The only way I could be more hoopy is if I had DON'T PANIC written across my Couch.
[16:32]  * urbanape knows where his towel is.
[16:34] <facundobatista> Hi all
[16:35] <jblount> facundobatista: yo!
[16:36] <sivel> did you guys figure out what the server problem was?
[16:37] <sivel> I eventually killed the daemon because it had been in the scanning phase for 6 hours and my hard drive light was lit solid the whole time
[16:37] <facundobatista> Hi sivel
[16:37] <sivel> started it this morning.  it has been running for nearly 2 hours and still in the scanning phase
[16:39] <facundobatista> sivel, this is the first time you run the daemoin?
[16:39] <facundobatista> *daemon
[16:39] <sivel> well...like 3rd or fourth time
[16:39] <facundobatista> sivel, did you let it finish any of those times?
[16:40] <sivel> no...like I said the first time I let it run 6 hours.  the hard drive was lit solid the entire time and was impacting my machines performance
[16:40] <sivel> CPU was also hanging around 50%
[16:41] <facundobatista> sivel, how many files do you have in the Ubuntu One directory?
[16:41] <sivel> I was told yesterday it was likely being caused by a server issue and the servers would likely have to be restarted
[16:41] <sivel> facundobatista: 16000 total
[16:41] <facundobatista> oh
[16:42] <facundobatista> sivel, the process when you throw a file into Ubuntu One implies that the file will be hashed, then compressed, then uploaded
[16:42] <facundobatista> sivel, 16k files will imply a lot of work
[16:42] <sivel> well I deumped 16000 all at once
[16:42] <facundobatista> sivel, are those small files (say, 1k, 2k), or are big ones?
[16:43] <sivel> most are caused by subversion
[16:43] <sivel> so very small
[16:43] <facundobatista> sivel, it's ok to have a lot of disk and cpu usage if you drop them all at once
[16:43] <sivel> it is only like 150MB of files total
[16:44] <facundobatista> sivel, we can check the logs if you want
[16:44] <sivel> that would be fine with me
[16:44] <sivel> I'd like to use the service if possible
[16:45] <sivel> was trying to use dropbox but it kept denying uploading of some of the subversion files which would break the working dir on my other machines
[16:47] <facundobatista> sivel, what's your state now?
[16:47] <facundobatista> sivel, you have all files there, and the daemon stopped?
[16:47] <verterok> facundobatista, sivel: I think this is related to the bug about "high memory usage"
[16:47] <facundobatista> verterok, oh, maybe... 16k files at once could trigger that
[16:48] <sivel> I have all files in the dir...daemon is started and reporting "Scanning"
[16:48] <sivel> been like that for nearly 2 hours
[16:49] <sivel> the daemon is utilizing 97% CPU currently and 28% of my available RAM
[16:49] <facundobatista> sivel, it's ok for you to leave it running as long we discover that "it's working ok"? or we should do something to avoida that usage?
[16:50] <sivel> facundobatista: sure. I can leave it running
[16:51] <sivel> if need be I will switch to my ther machine and just let it run
[16:52] <facundobatista> sivel, we can check if it's running ok, if you want
[16:52] <sivel> do you need my email addr?
[16:53] <facundobatista> sivel, not at all
[16:54] <sivel> didn't know if you needed to look at my account
[16:54] <facundobatista> sivel, no... verifying it works ok would imply checking the logs
[16:54] <facundobatista> which are in your machine
[16:55] <sivel> and where are said logs?
[16:55] <facundobatista> sivel, ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logs/syncdaemon.log
[16:57] <facundobatista> you can do a "tail -n 2000 syncdaemon.log | pastebinit" and give me the address it returns (beware: that would be freely accessable)
[16:57] <facundobatista> sivel, other maybe safer path is to clean everything and start again, throwing the files in less quantity
[16:58] <sivel> I am tailing the file now and seeing activity
[16:58] <facundobatista> sivel, how is memory usage?
[17:00] <sivel> up to 35%
[17:00] <sivel> up 7% in 10 minutes
[17:01] <facundobatista> sivel, it's a risk if it grows and grows
[17:02] <sivel> ok...I can try maybe adding around 3000 files at a time
[17:02] <facundobatista> sivel, we have a bug that you triggered when throwing so many files at once
[17:02] <facundobatista> sivel, yeap
[17:03] <sivel> ok...just killed the daemon. which by the way is the only way I can get it to stop
[17:05] <facundobatista> sivel, if you clean everything, start it, wait for it to stabilize (it will have
[17:05] <facundobatista> to delete all that you already uploaded :( )
[17:05] <sivel> I had not seen any files in my file listing on the web site
[17:06] <sivel> 0 bytes of 2.0 GB Used (0.0%)
[17:08] <sivel> removed all the files...status is 'Idle'
[17:08] <sivel> after starting the daemon again
[17:08] <facundobatista> sivel, let's be gentle, throw *one* file, see what happens, check the logs
[17:08] <facundobatista> sivel, only to see that it's ready to start
[17:10] <sivel> status is working with 1 file and 1 dir
[17:11] <sivel> ok that worked
[17:11] <sivel> so I found out one thing so far
[17:12] <sivel> that making My Files a symlink of another directory does indeed work
[17:13] <sivel> what is the format of .cache/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/vm/shares/r/o/o/root_node_id  ?
[17:15] <facundobatista> sivel, making MyFiles a symlink of what?
[17:15] <facundobatista> sivel, don't know if it's safe to do that
[17:16] <facundobatista> sivel, note that we don't support symlinks inside My Files
[17:16] <facundobatista> regarding .cache/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/.
[17:16] <facundobatista> regarding .cache/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/.... it's internal stuff, you shouldn't mess with that
[17:16] <sivel> facundobatista: here is another thing I am trying to do
[17:17] <facundobatista> sivel, but, if you still want to know, we could get some source code and show how it works
[17:17] <sivel> I want to sync a dir other than $HOME/Ubuntu One/My Files
[17:17] <facundobatista> sivel, not supported yet
[17:17] <sivel> so I had done: ln -s /var/www $HOME/Ubuntu\ One/My\ Files
[17:17] <sivel> which works
[17:18] <sivel> but I just noticed that the root_node_id file has the path in it
[17:18] <facundobatista> sivel, not supported yet
[17:18] <sivel> not supported doesn't mean it wouldn't work
[17:18] <verterok> sivel: currently the root node is somewhat hardcoded
[17:19] <sivel> I will probably just stick to the symlink for now
[17:19] <sivel> ok
[17:19] <facundobatista> sivel, it does not work correctly
[17:19] <verterok> sivel: you could change the ~/Ubuntu One for anouther directory, but that will make all your metadata invalid
[17:19] <verterok> sivel: so, not supported ;)
[17:20] <sivel> ln -s /var/www $HOME/Ubuntu\ One/My\ Files seems to work for me
[17:22] <facundobatista> sivel, it may work in some cases, it may not work in others... me for myself, I will not mess with symlinks until they are supported
[17:24] <sivel> I will give it a shot and see how it works.  if it doesn't work I cannot use this service until it supports arbitrary sync paths
[17:34] <jblount> facundobatista: Hi! Would you mind trying to recreate this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubunet/+bug/393950 ?
[17:35] <jblount> you'll need firefox 3.5, an image with a russion name, and some patience with the updown server
[17:37] <facundobatista> jblount, ok... do you know the best way to install FF 3.5 in Jaunty?
[17:37] <dobey> jblount: it behaves differently with ffox 3.5 than with 3.0?
[17:37] <facundobatista> jblount, oh, it's in the repo
[17:51] <dobey> hrmm, it works for me with a utf-8 file
[17:51] <dobey> so maybe ff3.5 is broken
[17:54] <sivel> 3.5 in jaunty is on b4 I think
[17:54] <sivel> not final
[17:55] <jblount> dobey: Yeah, it worked with me, so I was trying to figure out if it was a ff3.5 issue, or something else altogether.
[18:46] <atrus> facundobatista: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[18:49] <facundobatista> atrus, thanks
[18:49] <atrus> not official per se, but if everything goes right that's the firefox-3.5 package that will end up in universe, as i understand it.
[18:54] <dobey>     171:  [E0202, LocalRescan._compare] An attribute inherited from InotifyTests hide this method
[18:54] <dobey> fun!
[18:55]  * dobey wonders how to deal with thato ne
[18:55] <dobey> that one
[19:03] <facundobatista> dobey, I'm doing grey magic with LocalRescan._compare in that test... never saw that E0202, though
[19:11] <dobey> facundobatista: there are a couple more like that, in other files
[19:13] <facundobatista> dobey, pastebin?
[19:15] <facundobatista> jblount, finally... it works ok for me
[19:15] <CardinalFang> Whoa, bug in Python.  Fun.
[19:16] <facundobatista> CardinalFang, ¿?
[19:19] <CardinalFang> facundobatista: ¡Garbage collector frees what it thinks is a cycle!
[19:19] <CardinalFang> Found a note here:  http://www.nabble.com/Garbage-collection-prematurely-clears-cyclical-objects-referenced%09from-GTK-callbacks-td18960271.html
[19:20] <CardinalFang> It may be minor.
[19:23] <facundobatista> CardinalFang, it seems an issue in pygtk, no python
[19:23] <facundobatista> (for what I've read in that link)
[19:23] <dobey> facundobatista: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/208352/ <- most of those are in oauthdesktop.oauth though
[19:23] <CardinalFang> In GTK, I create a widget and assign a reference to it.  I then define a function that I will connect to the widget's signal, and in that function I update a property of the widget.  Then I connect the widget signal to that function.  When running it, I get a NameError about the widget reference from inside the function.
[19:24] <facundobatista> CardinalFang, code?
[19:24] <dobey> yah code plz
[19:25] <facundobatista> dobey, the other one in LocalRescan is the same case
[19:25] <facundobatista> dobey, I'm overwriting LocalRescan methods with some customized function to test some stuff
[19:26] <facundobatista> dobey, feel free to add a "pylint die die die" comment to avoid the error
[19:27] <CardinalFang> facundobatista, dobey: http://ubuntuone.pastebin.com/m1ea7e6d3
[19:27] <CardinalFang> I have a plan to work around the problem.  I'll say if it works.
[19:27] <dobey> facundobatista: hmm
[19:28] <facundobatista> CardinalFang, that's a typical error
[19:28] <facundobatista> let me show you a simpler example
[19:29] <CardinalFang> Hmmm, maybe "widget" parameter is the same as what I'm trying to refer to.  I bet it is!....
[19:29] <facundobatista> CardinalFang, mmm... you have NameError? Not UnboundLocalError?
[19:29] <CardinalFang> facundobatista: Yep.  "NameError: free variable 'listen_button' referenced before assignment in enclosing scope"
[19:30] <dobey> CardinalFang: "widget" == "listen_button" there
[19:30] <dobey> CardinalFang: so you want to use "widget" there instead of "listen_button"
[19:30] <dobey> because the later is out of scope
[19:33] <facundobatista> dobey, why out of scope?
[19:34] <facundobatista> CardinalFang, on which line you get that? and it's in runtime or compile time?
[19:34] <facundobatista> CardinalFang, can you reduce that to a workable example?
[19:34] <CardinalFang> facundobatista: Runtime, at  listen_button.set_sensitive(False) .
[19:35] <facundobatista> CardinalFang, why are we discussing this in this channel and not in #python or sth?
[19:36] <CardinalFang> I don't know.  I don't need help.  I was just expressing surprise at first, then answering your questions.
[19:36] <dobey> facundobatista: it's not assigned in the enclosing scope
[19:37] <facundobatista> dobey, why it does not search it in the outside one?
[19:37] <dobey> facundobatista: i don't know. ask python :)
[19:38] <dobey> anyway
[19:38] <facundobatista> dobey, I can't reproduce it just with python, don't now if it's something so simple as scope searching
[19:39] <dobey> facundobatista: probably because the enclosed function is a callback from a GObject from C
[19:39] <facundobatista> dobey, it may be, yes
[19:39] <dobey> facundobatista: but i have a question about event_queue.py in the syncdaemon :)
[19:40] <facundobatista> dobey, shoot
[19:40] <dobey> facundobatista: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/208369/ <- isn't that for loop a bit unneccessary?
[19:40] <dobey> shouldn't it just be the if foo: return?
[19:41] <facundobatista> dobey, we want to see if any component of the path is partial
[19:41] <facundobatista> like /foo/bar/.partial/baz
[19:42] <dobey> facundobatista: shouldn't it check against "part" then instead of "path"?
[19:42] <facundobatista> dobey, yes it should!
[19:43]  * dobey fixes
[19:44] <dobey> meh, it's almost 3 pm
[20:26] <facundobatista> jblount, ping
[20:29] <facundobatista> jblount, see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubunet/+bug/393950
[20:30] <CardinalFang> That's raises a good question.  Do we always expect filenames to be encoded in UTF8?
[20:32] <verterok> CardinalFang: I think it's a yes
[20:32] <verterok> at leats in the syncdaemon
[20:33] <verterok> *least
[20:38] <dobey> CardinalFang: i think the problem here is firefox 3.5, and not us
[20:39] <dobey> facundobatista: hrmm. in test_eq_inotify.py in ubuntuone-client, what is the difference between the two test_suite() methods at the bottom of the file?
[20:42] <facundobatista> dobey, the one with the X is not executed automagically, only test_suite(). The other one is to not run everything, only a couple of tests, used in dev time
[20:45] <dobey> facundobatista: is the name "Xtest_suite" important, or could it be called "dev_test_suite" for example?
[20:46] <facundobatista> dobey, it could be called "function_with_a_lot_of_stuff_in_the_name_instead_of_only_an_X_that_you_should_remove__test_suite", ;)
[20:46] <facundobatista> dobey, if you're cleaning up, you can also remove it totally
[20:47] <dobey> facundobatista: ok
[20:47] <dobey> facundobatista: should i remove both then?
[20:47] <dobey> test_suite as well?
[20:52] <facundobatista> no no
[20:52] <facundobatista> the other is necessary for the tests to run
[22:17] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[22:25] <jkakar> Is there anything in the way of an API available for the storage system yet?  I have ideas for apps that back their data on UbuntuOne that I want to start hacking on. :)
[22:27] <jblount> jkakar: Oh man, I don't think there is yet.
[22:28] <pfibiger> jblount: what about the stuff rodrigo is doing w/ tomboy sync
[22:28] <pfibiger> there must be some sort of api, no?
[22:28] <jblount> jkakar: I take it back, rodrigo is doing some stuff with CouchDB
[22:28] <jblount> Oh, and there's the firefox plugin that urbanape is working on.
[22:29] <verterok> jkakar: there is a "low level API", which is ubuntuone-storage-protocol, but that's only for files, if you want to store structured content, the couchdb bits is what you are looking for
[22:30] <pfibiger> jkakar: the "desktop couch" stuff is what you want, i think. aquarius or rodrigo would almost certainly be the best person to check in with.
[22:32] <jkakar> Thanks guys.
[22:46] <urbanape> jblount: yeah, but it's not really a U1 "storage".
[22:46] <urbanape> it just talks CouchDB
[22:48] <jblount> urbanape: Good point.
[22:48] <urbanape> (much to my own disappointment)


[17:50] <pauluzs> Hello everyone , is there a decent guide howto switch ubuntu studio 22.04 to pipewire with jack and pulse clients and configure the default samplerate for all to 192khz?
[18:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> We have no support for that at this time.
[18:05] <pauluzs> thanks i noticed that. got it working with the default ubuntu manuals, only still running at 48Khz and having to stop the pulse server and  start the pipiwire server manually after every reboot


[08:39]  * ppisati -> out for a bit
[10:52] <ogra_> hmm, did rtg revert all the CONFIG_VT  stuff in grouper with the latest upload ?
[10:53]  * ogra_ cant get the flipped image to boot anymore ... with console errors as before
[12:03]  * henrix -> lunch
[13:55] <rtg_> henrix, Friday is reboot day. gomeisa first.
[13:56] <henrix> rtg_: ack
[13:57] <rtg_> henrix, should almost be back by now
[15:05] <joshhunt> i have a question about the perf CVE that was part of the USN this morning. does anyone  know if this can  be exploited by a user which does not possess CAP_SYS_ADMIN?
[15:09] <joshhunt> actually i'll rephrase. is it exploitable if sysctl_perf_event_paranoid > 0?
[15:26] <rtg_> jjohansen, ^^
[15:41] <rtg_> chiluk, bouncing tangerine for the dbus update
[15:42] <chiluk> go for it
[19:11] <jjohansen> joshhunt: atm its unclear to me whether CVE-2013-2146 is exploitable with sysctl_perf_event_paranoid==1
[19:13] <joshhunt> jjohansen: ok thx. yeah i'm not sure either. do you know if any exploit code has been released? i didn't find any in my searches.
[19:13] <jjohansen> joshhunt: paranoid==1 still allows for none capable users to do some things, and I need to spend a fair bit more time with it to unwind all the possible paths
[19:13] <jjohansen> joshhunt: I don't have any, which makes evaluating the possible attacks harder
[19:25] <joshhunt> jjohansen: yep, i'll do some more investigation. thx.
[20:29]  * rtg_ -> EOW
[21:12] <joshhunt> jjohansen: i think i've convinced myself that you can exploit this with perf_event_paranoid = 1
[21:13] <joshhunt> jjohansen: it seems like the extra_regs get loaded when an unpriv user does something like: perf stat -e L1-dcache-loads -e L1-dcache-load-misses -e L1-dcache-stores -e L1-dcache-store-misses sleep 10
[21:14] <joshhunt> jjohansen: i see this when running this at the same time as root
[21:14] <joshhunt> perf stat -a -e probe:* sleep 30
[21:14] <joshhunt>  Performance counter stats for 'sleep 30':
[21:14] <joshhunt>                  4 probe:intel_pmu_hw_config                                    [100.00%]
[21:14] <joshhunt>                  4 probe:x86_pmu_hw_config                                      [100.00%]
[21:14] <joshhunt>                  4 probe:x86_setup_perfctr                                      [100.00%]
[21:14] <joshhunt>                  4 probe:x86_pmu_extra_regs
[21:15] <jjohansen> joshhunt: yep that seem like its exploitable, thanks for digging


[10:41] <jamespage> doko_, I revised/renamed the blueprint from UDS-O for Java 7 et all - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-java
[10:42] <jamespage> content was much the same just needed a status update


[00:22] <nicholas> in lxpanel, anyone know how to change the clock to 12-hour format?
[00:23] <Unit193> %-I:%M %p
[00:24] <nicholas> thank you!
[00:25] <nicholas> also, is there a way to add a battery percentage on the battery indicator? and my network monitor doesn't seem to work, as it is always at 0
[00:27] <Unit193> You should be able to add the xfpm plugin for the battery, and 'network monitor'?
[00:28] <nicholas> network status plugin, it's suppose to show the wireless strength
[00:30] <nicholas> so I install the XFCE power manager in lxde?
[00:30] <Unit193> !info xfce4-power-manager-plugins
[00:30] <Unit193> That should have the LXDE plugin as well.
[00:33] <nicholas> hmm, can't seem to find the battery plugin in the "add items" tab in lxpanel :-/
[02:32] <nicholas> hello, anyone know how to get compoziting in lxde? currently using lubuntu
[02:39] <ianorlin> yes install compton from repos
[02:39] <nicholas> ok?
[02:40] <ianorlin> then if you want it to autostart add it in menu->prefrences->defaualt apps for lxsession -> click on core applications -> type compton into composite manager logout and log back in
[02:41] <nicholas> I'll just stick with lubuntu, I guess
[02:41] <nicholas> lubuntu is minimal enough
[02:42] <ianorlin> and for some minimalism is a good thing if they don't like a bunch of animations distracts them
[02:43] <nicholas> oops that message was on the wrong channnel, LOL
[02:43] <nicholas> so is compton a window manager?
[02:43] <ianorlin> no it is a compositor on its own
[02:43] <ianorlin> openbox is the window manager by default
[02:43] <nicholas> so it's like an add-on to openbox
[02:48] <nicholas> ?
[02:48] <ianorlin> yes
[02:48] <nicholas> ok
[02:56] <nicholas> is there any gui autostart thing for lxde?
[02:57] <ianorlin> yes default apps for lxsession can do that
[02:57] <nicholas> whatever, I'm still new, as time goes on, I'll learn more
[02:57] <nicholas> ah wrong channel AGAIN!!
[03:59] <nicholas> anyone having trouble removing the power manager plugin in lxpanel?
[03:59] <nicholas> when I click remove, the lxpanel settings closes and nothing happens
[04:01] <ianorlin> I think you use default apps for lxsession for this
[04:02] <ianorlin> under the autostrat tab
[04:04] <Nixus> what do you mean?
[04:04] <Nixus> sorry this is nicholas
[04:07] <Nixus> ?
[04:07] <ianorlin> open default apps for lxsession and uncheck power manager.
[04:09] <Nixus> don't I kinda need that? doesn't that disable ALL power management?
[04:09] <ianorlin> you just don't want an applet?
[04:10] <Nixus> yes, I just don't want the applet
[14:02] <warfaren> how can i stop my session from locking after screensaver? i already disabled it in two places (light locker settings and xfce power manager that came with the OS) but it locks it anyway
[15:43] <holstein> warfaren: i can say what i did.. i removed the screensaver, and the locker.. i use a different locker
[20:49] <warfaren> holstein: i saw your answer now
[20:50] <warfaren> which packages do i need to remove?
[20:59] <Unit193> warfaren: Do you have xscreensaver installed, running, and set to lock?
[20:59] <Unit193> warfaren: What does the lock screen look like?
[21:45] <Dresk> wxl: Hm, just did my first "software update" with Lubuntu, and it crashed when configuring the new kernel, had an issue with my proprietary NVIDIA driver.  Nothing bad happened, I'm still using it, and uname reports 3.16.0-29-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP, but now GRUB is showing at boot for some reason
[21:59] <genii> Hm
[23:16] <Nixus> hey, I can't seem to get my volume control on my keyboard to work on lubuntu 14.04.1
[23:19] <Nixus> any help/reccomendations?
[23:22] <Nixus> hey, I can't seem to get my volume control on my keyboard to work on lubuntu 14.04.1
[23:28] <Nixus> ?
[23:30] <Unit193> .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml has XF86AudioLowerVolume set for me, not sure if that's what does it.
[23:45] <Nixus> Unit193: how do I change the key binding? I'm in the file
[23:48] <Nixus> also, is there a way to change the direction the window minimize animation goes? whenever I minimize/maximize a window, It always goes down
[23:48] <Dresk> What's the default / preferred menu editor for lubuntu?  I don't know what Ubuntu itself used either.  I'm basically trying to add a non-packaged application (via a .sh) to the Menu
[23:50] <Unit193> Dresk: menulibre I'd think.
[23:51] <Dresk> Checking
[23:53] <Nixus> I've noticed that when I minimize/maximize my windows, the animation is always going down even though my panel is on the top. Any way to change this?
[23:57] <Nixus> (-_-)


[00:00] <ShootEmUp> yup, just what I thought, firefox bug, doesn't work right
[00:00] <ShootEmUp> with XFCE
[00:01] <ShootEmUp> let me try this fix
[00:02] <The_Maverick> it doesnt work with chromium either.
[00:03] <freeraider> i rebooted
[00:03] <freeraider> and just nothing happend
[00:03] <freeraider> xorg.conf still blank
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> did you put anything in xorg.conf?
[00:03] <freeraider> resolution the same
[00:03] <freeraider> no
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> ahh, you gotta put something in there
[00:03] <charlie-tca> freeraider: you have to add the lines you need. It won't add them automatically, since it does not know what to add anymore
[00:04] <freeraider> ok, so i just need a higher resolution
[00:07] <ShootEmUp> The_Maverick, rebooting, trying a fix
[00:07] <The_Maverick> shootemup alrighty
[00:10] <charlie-tca> freeraider: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto?highlight=%28xorg\.conf%29#Monitors%20running%20at%20low%20resolution
[00:10] <ShootEmUp> The_Maverick, no dice
[00:10] <ShootEmUp> still the same
[00:11] <The_Maverick> well i cant get it to work with chromium either
[00:11] <ShootEmUp> :(
[00:11] <The_Maverick> it looks like it is about to add it and it just doesnt.
[00:12] <ShootEmUp> seems like a xfce just don't work with the drag & drop
[00:13] <ShootEmUp> wish I could have been more help, well atleast you know its xfce and not FF
[00:13] <The_Maverick> yeah. i appreciate the effort.
[00:16] <Sysi> hum, i can drag images in browser to terminal and it gets their url
[00:16] <Sysi> i guess you could go around it by using nautilus
[00:16] <ShootEmUp> could make a script
[00:17] <ShootEmUp> just a thought
[00:17] <The_Maverick> i dont know how to make scripts or anything like that
[00:17] <The_Maverick> just starting out
[00:17] <ShootEmUp> me nither
[00:17] <The_Maverick> :(
[00:18] <JediMaster420> I'm having trouble with the size of my Ubuntu netbook instalation, should I keep messing with it or try this version?
[00:18] <Sysi> you could try installing nautilus, it should take over your desktop
[00:18] <Sysi> JediMaster420: what kind of problems?
[00:19] <ShootEmUp> JediMaster420, how much space is it taking up?
[00:20] <JediMaster420> 3.5gb
[00:20] <knome> is there a way to create a button that just shuts down the pc, of course without passwrod prompt?
[00:20] <TheSheep> knome: yes, on the chasis
[00:20] <JediMaster420> it's only a 4gb SSD
[00:20] <ShootEmUp> JediMaster420, Ubuntu needs around 10GBs
[00:20] <JediMaster420> I'm running netbook
[00:21] <Sysi> have you removed unneeded aplications?
[00:21] <ShootEmUp> for a useful install
[00:21] <TheSheep> knome: but seriously, everything is possible
[00:21] <Sysi> ShootEmUp: without version upgrades, 4GB would be fine for any buntu
[00:21] <JediMaster420> I was going through them, but I can't seem to find what is taking up so much space
[00:21] <ShootEmUp> true
[00:22] <Sysi> JediMaster420: just remove everything you don't need
[00:22] <ShootEmUp> I have a ubuntu command line install on 4.3GBs
[00:22] <Sysi> openoffice is big
[00:22] <The_Maverick> yeah open office is the first thing i get rid of
[00:22] <ShootEmUp> remove OpenOffice if you don't use it
[00:22] <Sysi> i have xubuntu and half of kubuntu in 3,5?
[00:22] <charlie-tca> knome: why not? I never have to enter a password when I click quit ;-)
[00:23] <The_Maverick> so how is kubuntu?
[00:23] <Sysi> knome: button in panel and prompt after that isn't good?
[00:23] <Sysi> kubuntu uses kde
[00:24] <knome> well, i'd like one click quit
[00:24] <Sysi> on laptop taht would be easy with power/sleep button
[00:25] <knome> "when power button is pressed: ask" but nothing happens
[00:25] <The_Maverick> is kde less of a resource hog than gnome?
[00:25] <ShootEmUp> about the same
[00:25] <charlie-tca> The_Maverick: not really
[00:25] <Sysi> by default not
[00:25] <ShootEmUp> xubuntu is the lightest
[00:26] <Sysi> gnome and kde can be thinned with settings
[00:26] <ShootEmUp> full xubuntu install = 2.24GB
[00:27] <The_Maverick> yeah really like xubuntu. it is so much easier on my laptop than gnome. i have to wait so long to load browsers and so forth.
[00:28] <ShootEmUp> if you like small size ubuntu, try command line installing + Xorg + LXDE or Fluxbox or IceWM
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> add only what you need
[00:29] <JediMaster420> office is only 254 mb
[00:29] <The_Maverick> command line install?
[00:29] <Sysi> quarter of gigabyte
[00:29] <Sysi> "ubuntu server"
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> The_Maverick, yup, only on alternate install CD
[00:30] <Sysi> or just lubuntu
[00:30] <ShootEmUp> gonna record me doing one someday, put on youtube
[00:30] <ShootEmUp> keep forgeting to
[00:30] <JediMaster420> it will give me more, but I need to do more.  Is there any way to sort by size or view the size of packages?
[00:31] <Sysi> knome: in "advanced" xfce settings there are options for that logout ptompt, maybe yo could set easy shutdown there?
[00:31] <Sysi> i didn't manage to find it
[00:31] <ShootEmUp> JediMaster420, try removing some of the media players
[00:31] <Sysi> JediMaster420: just remove anything you don't need desperately
[00:31] <knome> Sysi, well, it would also be okay if the laptop physical power button would do what is set in the power manager
[00:32] <Sysi> you can always install them back
[00:32] <knome> Sysi, now i am not asked what to do even if i press it...
[00:32] <charlie-tca> JediMaster420: yes
[00:32] <charlie-tca> at least in thunar there is
[00:32] <Sysi> knome: it may work after reboot or something
[00:32] <JediMaster420> I keep removing stuff, but I can't find ones big enough to matter
[00:32] <knome> Sysi, that was the default value
[00:32] <Sysi> small things make big difference
[00:32] <knome> ERRRR
[00:33] <knome> too small icons fail
[00:34] <charlie-tca> JediMaster420: You can do a directory listing in Terminal, using    "ls -sA" which will show all files and directories sorted by size, including hidden files
[00:35] <Sysi> or you could try xubuntu
[00:36] <ShootEmUp> gotta go now
[00:42] <JediMaster420> the mail/adress book thing is about 80mb
[00:42] <JediMaster420> evolution*
[01:42] <JediMaster420> great, I uninstalled the task bar --;
[02:06] <JediMaster420> and now I can't find it to put it back ><
[02:24] <dr4c4n> sorry but I find this amusing.. the JediMaster has lost his taskbar.. can't u just use mind control? like yoda?
[02:25] <dr4c4n> ~the taskbar will appear~ waves hand in front of monitor
[02:25] <JediMaster420> I'm using the force, aka alt+tab....
[02:25] <dr4c4n> honestly, if that's the limit of the force, it sounds like u've migrated from windoze
[02:26] <dr4c4n> my apologies
[02:26] <dr4c4n> have you looked @ the forums, for "missing task bar" perhaps that may help the re-installation process
[02:26] <JediMaster420> that's right, this linux stuff just isn;t woth the effort...
[02:26] <dr4c4n> wait wait.. i'm trying to help here..
[02:26] <dr4c4n> i just found it very amuzing is all
[02:26] <JediMaster420> I got it back, but there is a bit of an error
[02:27] <dr4c4n> quel error?
[02:27] <dr4c4n> what's the error you got?
[02:28] <JediMaster420> restart button was missing, took a sec to sudo reboot
[02:28] <dr4c4n> ah, so now everything is working normally
[02:28] <dr4c4n> good stuff!
[02:29] <JediMaster420> I get this error on boot: OAFIID:GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet has a problem
[02:29] <JediMaster420> and power button still gone
[02:30] <dr4c4n> sudo aptitude install gnome-applets
[02:30] <dr4c4n> :)
[02:30] <dr4c4n> should fix er up
[02:31] <dr4c4n> lemme know what happens
[02:36] <JediMaster420> nope
[02:41] <JediMaster420> got it
[02:42] <JediMaster420> different package: indicator applet session
[02:43] <dr4c4n> good stuff!
[02:44] <JediMaster420> thanks for the help, got 800mb free, gonna have to live with that before I do something really bad @_@
[02:45] <JediMaster420> for the record, this PC runs Win7, my lapop that only runs vista runs ubuntu, my netbook runs unbutu instead of the asus linux, and my dreambox runs busybox lol
[02:45] <dr4c4n> hehe :) that's what all the funs about
[02:46] <JediMaster420> I learned some linux back in the day, but haven't used it until recently because it's too hard @_@
[02:47] <dr4c4n> never say it's too hard
[02:47] <dr4c4n> it's just not "user friendly" or "convenient"
[02:47] <dr4c4n> if it was too hard, I wouldn't be able to use it
[02:49] <JediMaster420> whatever you want to call it, it's 2011 and I shouldn't have to use the command line @_@
[02:49] <dr4c4n> lol, that's half the fun
[02:50] <dr4c4n> you don't know what your missing, or what ur running, or what secrets lie in the stuff you are running then
[02:50] <dr4c4n> I don't know enough of the command line or reverse engineering to figure that out either, but that doesn't mean i'm not interested in it
[02:51] <JediMaster420> I actualy find quite the opposite, I understand and can operate much more with a GUI
[02:52] <dr4c4n> yes, but what's behind that gui, that you are so fond of the convenience of
[02:53] <JediMaster420> I'm not saying there is no place for command line, I'm just saying I shouldn't have to use it.  Yes, I'm spoiled by the convenience of winblows, but that doesn;t mean I've ever paid for a copy ;p
[03:12] <dr4c4n> theivery isn't something to be proud of
[03:51] <Tiktalik> Can I host a two person lan party with one machine windows 7 and one xubuntu/
[03:51] <Tiktalik> Wireless?
[03:58] <Tiktalik> !LAN
[03:58] <Tiktalik> !lan
[05:06] <freeraider> hey ich bins wieder
[05:06] <freeraider> sry i forgot
[05:06] <freeraider> only english ^^
[05:08] <freeraider> i had this problem i cant change my resolution in xubuntu and there was no xorg.conf file so i switched to archlinux.. i just installed it and set up gnome too.. @ archlinuxinstall i can change my resolution changing the framebuffer to 1024*768
[05:08] <freeraider> but if i starx /usr/bin/gnome-session the resolution change again to 800*600
[05:09] <freeraider> and there i cant switch to a higher resolution
[05:09] <freeraider> the xorg.conf is blank
[05:22] <tiktalik_> I accidentally created a new wireless network.
[05:23] <tiktalik_> How do I remove it?
[05:23] <tiktalik_> !wifi
[05:42] <freeraider> !german
[09:24] <lgp> hi
[09:25] <lgp> how to design ur own desktop themes for xubuntu?
[11:54] <Jpapertowels> how do i remove xubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <Jpapertowels> (to get back to minimal install incase you dont understand)
[11:55] <Jpapertowels> nevermind sudo tasksel saves the day
[12:00] <Sysi> i wonder a bit what did he do
[12:01] <lighta> he mean xfce ?
[12:01] <lighta> I wonder too
[12:01] <Sysi> i ment compared to:
[12:01] <Sysi> !puregnome
[12:16] <MorphixNW> how can I install Linux ona  laptop that wont boot from CD and has no USB?
[12:18] <gr8m8> does it have pxe boot option MorphixNW ?
[12:18] <MorphixNW> I cant even find a BIOS setup :(
[12:19] <MorphixNW> its a Panasonic CF-62
[12:19] <MorphixNW> very old old old
[12:19] <gr8m8> that'll make it hard...
[12:19] <Sysi> you thunk it would run modern os?
[12:19] <MorphixNW> debian yes I do
[12:19] <MorphixNW> you think it wont Sysi?
[12:19] <Sysi> depends how old
[12:21] <MorphixNW> it will run a headless system without a hitch, your meant to help, not present a further problem
[12:21] <Sysi> if pxe don't work you could maybe take hdd out and install on other machine
[12:21] <MorphixNW> now thats helpful
[12:22] <MorphixNW> I had thought about that one, but was hoping for another solution
[12:22] <gr8m8> I think that would be easiest
[12:22] <Sysi> read my mind
[12:22] <MorphixNW> who wants easy loil
[12:22] <MorphixNW> lol*
[12:22] <MorphixNW> challenges :)
[12:25] <MorphixNW> new machines are all so easy, old relics present challenges :D
[12:25] <MorphixNW> besides I only gave a man 5GBP for it a few years ago
[12:26] <Sysi> try new ati :p
[12:26] <MorphixNW> lol
[12:27] <MorphixNW> I have a "PC Specialist Laptop" here thats pretty beastty
[12:27] <MorphixNW> Core 2 Due T660 2.60Ghz, 4GB DDR, 320GB, Radeon 512MB
[12:28] <MorphixNW> just a shames its not mine, its only here for repair
[12:28] <Sysi> i'm considering getting mac laptop
[12:29] <MorphixNW> they will run Linux these days :D
[12:29] <Sysi> better tan lenovo which was other option
[12:29] <Sysi> linux/ubuntu
[12:30] <MorphixNW> I used to like "Thinkpad" but since they sold out and re-branded as "Lenovo" I am with you
[12:30] <MorphixNW> MAC all the way for solid hardware
[12:31] <Sysi> they have some HW issues too, but mb air is just so sweet
[12:32] <Sysi> pretty little thing with c2d
[12:50] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[12:57] <udo_> hello, how can I do the settings for vinagre
[12:57] <udo_> I'm using xfce
[13:01] <udo_> hello, how can I do the settings for vinagre
[13:01] <udo_> I'm using xfce
[13:01] <Sysi> from the program?
[13:02] <udo_> Sysi, no setting password etc
[13:02] <udo_> Sysi, cant find how to do that , in ubuntu it was somwhere under systewmsettigs, but xfce?
[13:03] <Sysi> you want to set up vnc server? vinagre is just a client
[13:06] <udo_> Sysi, yes, I also dont now how/where to start the vnc server
[13:07] <Sysi> you should try vino
[13:08] <udo_> oops, not installed...hm, thought this is already default
[13:08] <Sysi> in ubuntu i think it is
[13:08] <ShootEmUp> !info vino
[13:09] <ShootEmUp> is optional
[13:09] <Sysi> it still could be there by default i think?
[13:09] <ShootEmUp> not installed by default
[13:10] <Sysi> can be so, i don't use gnome
[13:13] <udo_> ok, its vino-preferences. But is there a menue where you have access to vino-preferences?
[13:33] <wieshka> hey there - what desktop env runs Xubuntu with ?
[13:33] <Sysi> xfce
[13:34] <wieshka> is xfce more lightweight then Gnome/KDE ?
[13:34] <ShootEmUp> yes
[13:34] <wieshka> is there some good link, where i can see compare ?
[13:35] <ShootEmUp> if you have less than 512MB of ram, xubuntu is better than ubuntu.
[13:35] <Sysi> xubuntu runs better with 512MB than gnome
[13:35] <ShootEmUp> I'll see if I can find you one
[13:35] <Sysi> sloow
[13:35] <wieshka> i have 2 Gb, but i am less on CPU
[13:35] <wieshka> N330 Atmo
[13:35] <wieshka> Atom
[13:35] <Sysi> no help
[13:35] <wieshka> 1.6 Ghz
[13:35] <TheSheep> wieshka: what exactly do you want to see compared?
[13:36] <wieshka> default install performance between versions of Ubuntu
[13:36] <Sysi> disable desktop effects, use adblock and maybe noscript and deal with it
[13:36] <TheSheep> performance measured how?
[13:36] <wieshka> most interesting part for me is CPU
[13:36] <ShootEmUp> you most likely have a dual-core CPU, in that case ubuntu is the best bet
[13:36] <Sysi> there's no "performace" in desktop, just resource usage
[13:37] <ShootEmUp> 1.6GHz X 2
[13:37] <wieshka> Sysi: sorry for my english - i meaned resource usage, yes
[13:37] <Sysi> cpu usage comes pretty much 100% from applications
[13:37] <wieshka> Sysi: my appplications will use ~90 of all 4 CPU threads
[13:37] <TheSheep> buthow do you measure it?
[13:38] <Sysi> wieshka: you could try to find lighter ones
[13:38] <wieshka> in basics it is HD Video playback
[13:38] <wieshka> with Adobe air - very specific aplllications
[13:39] <ShootEmUp> many people have preformace problems when Ubuntu One is running
[13:39] <Sysi> my netbook played video better when i removed pulseaudio
[13:39] <TheSheep> your video playback speed won't change
[13:39] <TheSheep> with xubuntu
[13:40] <TheSheep> because when playing video, all the cpu is used by that application anyways
[13:40] <TheSheep> so changing the environment that launched it won't help you
[13:40] <wieshka> TheSheep: i am not trying to improvemy video playback - it is ok. The problem is, that i also have some background proceses, what can hang video, so every % of CPU usage is importnant
[13:41] <wieshka> hmmmm, maybe i should try 64 bit instead of 32
[13:42] <Sysi> you can't go over what you HW is capable
[13:45] <wieshka> how stable is Maverick Meerkat - i mean for production use, not personal/test
[13:45] <wieshka> or better is to choose Lynx ?
[13:45] <ShootEmUp> Maerick Meerkat is stable
[13:46] <Sysi> stable versions should be stable
[13:46] <Sysi> if lts works, i'd recommend it
[13:46] <Sysi> "not working" is best reason for update
[14:04] <kuzorra> Hello everyone! Hallo zusammen!
[14:06] <kuzorra> kann mir jemand bei der Auflösungseinstellung helfen?
[14:06] <kuzorra> can anyone help me with the screen resolution?
[14:06] <ShootEmUp> sure
[14:06] <ShootEmUp> whats the problem?
[14:07] <kuzorra> graphic: Intel 845 on xubuntu 10.10, I can't change my resolution
[14:07] <ShootEmUp> how are you trying to change your resolution?
[14:08] <kuzorra> under "settings for xfce 4" I can't pick different resolutions
[14:08] <kuzorra> the drop down menu doesnt open....
[14:08] <ShootEmUp> under settings -> monitors right?
[14:08] <error21> how to fix login in Xubuntu 9.10?
[14:09] <kuzorra> ....not for resolution, and neither for refresh rate
[14:09] <Sysi> kuzorra: try arandr
[14:09] <kuzorra> wait a sec, I'll check for that
[14:09] <kuzorra> I think it's called "display", "Anzeige" in German
[14:10] <kuzorra> @sysi I googled for my problem, I don't know arandr, so that doesn't help without further instructions
[14:10] <error21> I have update xubuntu to 9.10 change resolution and then can`t login
[14:11] <ShootEmUp> kuzorra, try sudo apt-get install lxrandr
[14:11] <ShootEmUp> then run lxrandr
[14:11] <kuzorra> there is only one display listed
[14:11] <kuzorra> I just installed xubuntu on an old pc, using a 14" screen....
[14:12] <kuzorra> ...ubuntu & suse worked well with this screen
[14:12] <Sysi> arandr is easy, GUI
[14:12] <Sysi> just install it
[14:13] <error21> someone?
[14:13] <Sysi> xorg and kernel versions matter with HW(gpu) compability
[14:14] <kuzorra> how do I copy&paste into a terminal window?
[14:14] <Sysi> paint and middle click is fastest
[14:14] <Sysi> or shift ctrl v
[14:14] <ShootEmUp> ctrl + shift + v
[14:14] <Sysi> error21: could you be more exact?
[14:15] <error21> i update xubuntu
[14:15] <error21> to 9.10
[14:15] <error21> and when i try to login
[14:15] <kuzorra> is 9.10 faster than 10.10
[14:15] <Sysi> 9.10 has EOL soon too..
[14:15] <Sysi> shouldn't be faster
[14:15] <error21> i can`t log in
[14:16] <Sysi> it just pops back to login?
[14:16] <error21> yes
[14:16] <error21> I select xt ... and log
[14:16] <Sysi> press ctrl alt F1 to get to virtual terminal, log in there
[14:16] <error21> and then?
[14:16] <Sysi> ctrl alt F7 or F8 is back to graphical
[14:17] <Sysi> rm .ICEauthority
[14:17] <error21> ok
[14:17] <error21> ok
[14:17] <error21> that `s all?
[14:17] <kuzorra> okay, I ran lxrandr
[14:17] <Sysi> try
[14:17] <ShootEmUp> kuzorra, and what happend?
[14:17] <error21> thanks
[14:18] <kuzorra> screen popped up, but still just one resolution listed
[14:18] <Sysi> error21: it worked? np
[14:18] <kuzorra> or "automatic" as resolution and refresh rate
[14:18] <error21> now I try
[14:19] <kuzorra> kuzorra@kuzorra-linux:~$ lxrandr
[14:19] <kuzorra> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[14:19] <kuzorra> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[14:20] <kuzorra> that was written in terminal after that
[14:20] <ShootEmUp> okay
[14:21] <kuzorra> tried again, still the same
[14:21] <kuzorra> at least the pull down menu opens, which it dioesn't under xfce settings
[14:21] <ShootEmUp> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg try that
[14:22] <kuzorra> tried that before, but I#ll check again
[14:22] <kuzorra> nothing happened
[14:23] <kuzorra> check resolution with lxrandr again?
[14:23] <kuzorra> sill the same
[14:23] <ShootEmUp> type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:23] <kuzorra> btw: should I have a working xorg.conf under xububntu 10.10?
[14:24] <ShootEmUp> and tell me whats in it
[14:24] <ShootEmUp> you don't need one
[14:24] <ShootEmUp> but sometimes is helps
[14:24] <Sysi> shouldn't need
[14:24] <kuzorra> nothing, just a blank file is opened
[14:24] <kuzorra> I looked for that file under file management before, but couldn't find one
[14:25] <kuzorra> even with hidden files shown
[14:25] <Sysi> it isn't there by default
[14:25] <kuzorra> google told me that Intel 845 had problems under former ubuntus too
[14:26] <kuzorra> maybe there is a vesa driver used instead?
[14:26] <kuzorra> does it make a big differnce....and if,  how do I check and change that?
[14:27] <Sysi> no, it should be about monitor detecting
[14:28] <kuzorra> lxrandr says "standard monitor" is detected
[14:28] <kuzorra> does xubuntu automatically pick the right driver for Intel 845?
[14:29] <ShootEmUp> it trys
[14:29] <Sysi> basically best
[14:29] <kuzorra> how do I find out which driver is in use?
[14:30] <Sysi> lspci -k
[14:30] <ShootEmUp> kuzorra try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[14:31] <ShootEmUp> then reboot
[14:31] <kuzorra> kuzorra@kuzorra-linux:~$ sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[14:31] <kuzorra> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[14:31] <kuzorra> Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
[14:31] <kuzorra> Statusinformationen werden eingelesen...  Black ops on wii not your liking?
[14:54] <charlie-tca> I finally learned how to put the disks in the thing
[14:54] <charlie-tca> I have ever used the wii, myself.
[14:54] <ShootEmUp> you put it in the front
[14:55] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[14:55] <ShootEmUp> I thought everybody knew that
[14:55] <charlie-tca> They taught me how to get them out again, too
[14:55] <ShootEmUp> lol
[14:55] <ShootEmUp> Wiis are great
[14:56] <charlie-tca> yeah, at least they keep the kids busy
[14:56] <ShootEmUp> or keep me busy
[14:57] <ShootEmUp> I think I had 300+ hours on Modern Warefare Reflex
[15:02] <ShootEmUp> well I gotta go now, TTYL
[15:10] <kuzorra> hello again
[15:10] <kuzorra> still the same problem, can't change the resolution
[15:12] <kuzorra> any hints how to configure my Intel 845 under xubuntu 10.10?
[15:13] <kuzorra> ....or how to change display type, now it's set on Standard
[15:15] <kuzorra> anybody out there?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> Yes, people are out there.
[15:16] <kuzorra> that's nice to know ;-)
[15:17] <kuzorra> ....and can anyone tell me other stuff I could try to set up my screen properly?
[15:17] <charlie-tca> !patience
[15:18] <kuzorra> hmmmmmkay
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Here is a whole page of stuff you can try - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution
[15:19] <kuzorra> I looked around a lot before, but as a total noob it's hard to find answers/explanations that are on my level
[15:21] <kuzorra> another problem I hav: I "lost" my shutdown button from my sidebar.....
[15:22] <kuzorra> ....and can't add it again via right-click, where do I find it?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> What version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu are you using? Which is it?
[15:23] <kuzorra> xubuntu 10.10
[15:24] <charlie-tca> right-click the panel, left-click action buttons, add...
[15:27] <kuzorra> I don't know what "action button" could be in the german version
[15:28] <kuzorra> there is properties, move, delete, add new elements adjust panel
[15:28] <kuzorra> I didn't find it under add
[15:29] <kuzorra> okay, got it
[15:29] <kuzorra> the thing to be added is "action button"
[15:29] <kuzorra> but shutdown was missing....
[15:30] <kuzorra> .....which could be fixed via settings
[15:32] <kuzorra> dammit....this just shuts down the panel and loogs me off
[15:40] <kuzorra> so I added a Starter with menu, with entries like shutdown, restart, standby and hibernate
[15:41] <kuzorra> but what are the commands to use there? now those entries are still empty, because I don't know what to fill in
[15:41] <kuzorra> and I don't want to use a termninal command that requires a PW everytime I want to shut down
[15:49] <kuzorra> bye for now....
[16:43] <The_Maverick> was wondering if anyone here used docky. to add an app to docky i have to add an application to the desktop then drag it, but if i delete the desktop shortcut the app will not work on the dock.
[16:43] <Sysi> docky-dock?
[16:43] <Sysi> (only used awn)
[16:43] <The_Maverick> yeah docky the dock
[16:44] <The_Maverick> i dont think that will let me add a custom launcher.
[16:44] <charlie-tca> I did not think docky worked
[16:44] <The_Maverick> lol yeah it works. i like it because it runs smoothely, but it seems that i might have to switch if i can not resolve this problem
[16:53] <maverick_> okay scratch that. i found a way around it
[17:21] <error21> rm .ICEauthority but when restart the same problem
[17:22] <error21> can help someone?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Would you expand the question? Same problem leaves a lot of questions...
[17:23] <error21> I can`t log in
[17:23] <error21> type my user on the login
[17:23] <error21> password
[17:23] <error21> but I can`t login
[17:23] <charlie-tca> does it do anything? can you log in from a tty using Crtl+Alt+F2?
[17:24] <error21> I have rm .ICEauthority
[17:24] <error21> i log but resend me back
[17:24] <error21> only xterm I can access
[17:24] <error21> not xfce session
[17:25] <error21> be back to try
[17:25] <error21> thanks
[17:29] <error21> I checked
[17:30] <error21> but resend me back to the login form
[17:30] <error21> xubuntu 9.10
[17:30] <error21> can`t get in
[17:31] <error21> :))
[17:31] <error21> first say that resolution 800X600
[17:32] <error21> may be the problem?
[17:33] <error21> ?
[17:33] <charlie-tca> no
[17:33] <error21> any solution
[17:33] <charlie-tca> but you can go in through a tty or xterm and delete the following file
[17:33] <error21> i can go
[17:33] <error21> but just in xterm
[17:33] <error21> with xfce no
[17:34] <charlie-tca> ~/.cache/
[17:34] <error21> yes
[17:34] <charlie-tca> just go into xterm then. Use    rm -r ~/.cache
[17:34] <charlie-tca> then we will do one more
[17:34] <error21> ok
[17:36] <charlie-tca> also do    rm -r ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml
[17:36] <charlie-tca> then restart the computer
[17:36] <error21> done
[17:37] <charlie-tca> can you log in now?
[17:37] <error21> i will try
[17:41] <error21> no
[17:41] <error21> show something root login
[17:41] <charlie-tca> yeah, I think we did not get it all done.
[17:42] <error21> and *ERROR* 600
[17:42] <charlie-tca> here it is again, stay until you get all of this, because you have to do it all at one time
[17:42] <error21> ok
[17:42] <error21> to be 4ever
[17:42] <charlie-tca> first,       rm -r ~/.cache
[17:43] <error21> can access all time
[17:43] <error21> ok
[17:43] <charlie-tca> second,     rm -r ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml
[17:43] <error21> next
[17:43] <charlie-tca> third, restart the computer without saving anything
[17:43] <charlie-tca> then try to login through gdm again.
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Now try that. You have to both rm's without restarting between them or it won't work
[17:44] <error21> ok
[17:47] <error21> no such file
[17:47] <error21> the xml file
[17:48] <error21> in .config
[17:48] <error21> :))
[17:51] <error21> .config :
[17:51] <error21> audacious
[17:51] <error21> gigolo
[17:52] <error21> orage
[17:52] <error21> autostart
[17:52] <error21> gpicview
[17:52] <error21> Terminal
[17:52] <error21> ...
[17:53] <error21> ?
[17:54] <error21> I have xubuntu 9.04
[17:54] <error21> update to 8.10
[17:54] <error21> 9.10
[17:54] <error21> but can`t join xfce
[17:56] <error21> no idea?
[17:56] <error21> xubuntu 9.04 no more supported
[17:57] <error21> ok bye thanks that all :) moving back to xp
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend.
[19:19] <xubuntu466> thx. I'm installing Xubuntu 10.10 and I'm curious to see which kind of help I could expect
[19:20] <xubuntu466> nobody there?
[19:20] <charlie-tca> We are here, but in a meeting
[19:20] <charlie-tca> !hi | xubuntu466
[19:23] <xubuntu466> hi, I met problems to install directly Xubuntu without passing through Live cd. Passing through Live cd, instead, all seem to be fine. Just as report. I won't disturb your meeting. Bye and thanks
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Thanks. Which version was that?
[19:24] <xubuntu466> 10.10
[19:24] <xubuntu466> italian language
[19:24] <charlie-tca> We will look into it
[19:25] <xubuntu466> bye
[19:25] <xubuntu466> quit
[19:49] <nicofs> I need help... i more or less wrecked my system, or to be precise, my GTK+... i tried to compile&install a newer version - which went wrong - but now my system is weid. most icons have disappeared, all others have changed. is there a way to fall back to a "clean" xubuntu?
[19:51] <Besogon> can't you delete xubuntu-dektop package at all and then install it again?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> remove the ppa, remove the new gtk+, install the gtk+ in the repository
[19:53] <nicofs> charlie-tca, according to synaptic, gtk+ has never been changed...
[19:54] <charlie-tca> nicofs: go into settings -> Appearance, pick Elementary icons
[19:55] <nicofs> charlie-tca, i did... no matter which icon pack i choose, it all stays the same... i guess i will have to delete and reinstall xubuntu-desktop...
[19:56] <charlie-tca> try it. The package is a meta-package, though. It doesn't really remove anything when you uninstall it
[19:56] <Besogon> why not?
[19:57] <Besogon> ah yes
[20:03] <nicofs> hmm... i could only uninstall gtk and reinstall it - but uninstalling gtk in synaptic removes almost all of my system - and automatically installs KDE...
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Instead of removing it, just click it for a install again?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Not knowing exactly what was installed hurts. It might not be the actual application you are trying to reinstall, but another lib/app entirely
[20:19] <nicofs> charlie-tca, could be... i reinstalled it already - no change... all of that, because i wanted pidgin 2.7.9 instead of 2.7.3 ... where has it got me? corrupted system using 2.7.3 ...
[20:23] <nicofs> i think i ruined it completely... in synaptic i can't open the repositories menu anymore... i think i will have to remove xubuntu&xfce&gtk+...
[20:26] <nicofs> if i won't login again until Sunday, it hasn't worked^^
[20:51] <arizalord> how do i get extended desktop option in xubuntu?
[20:51] <arizalord> for multiple display with different resolution!
[20:53] <dr4c4n> arizalord: what is your graphics card?
[20:54] <arizalord> dr4c4n: its an ati 200m
[20:55] <dr4c4n> arizalord: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Maverick_Installation_Guide#Dual.2FMulti_Monitors have u tried this?
[20:56] <Sysi> if you're using open drivers, try arandr
[20:56] <dr4c4n> and aticonfig
[20:56] <Sysi> catalyst should include settingsmanager
[20:57] <arizalord> ok thx so much, ill try
[21:11] <maverick_> it seems that i have an extra layer on my desktop. like when i add icons. it adds another set that i can not delete or click on. anyone else have this issue?
[21:24] <Guest45936> i have a question. when i have xubuntu installed and i use a "gnome session" is it any different than the regular ubuntu with gnome?
[21:26] <Sysi> you can have different/more programs, different bootup logo and login screen but basically not
[21:36] <nicofs> OK. Now my system is gone. I urgently need help to connect to the internet via console. i can start the interface (ifconfig ra0 up) and list available networks (iwlist). i think, i can connect to the networt (how could i check if i'm connectd?) - but dhclient won't work. i simply can't obtain an ip. no ip, no apt-get - and no gui...
[22:04] <nicofs> after connecting via "iwconfig [interface] [essid]" - how can i check if i am really connected? and how do i obtain an ip address? please help me... i need to get internet working somehow...
[22:06] <charlie-tca> You should be able to connect with "ifconfig [interface] up"
[22:06] <charlie-tca> You can check it using either iwconfig or ifconfig and see if any bytes are moving
[22:06] <charlie-tca> This line says it is transferring bytes, thus connected -
[22:06] <charlie-tca> RX bytes:800628 (800.6 KB)  TX bytes:800628 (800.6 KB)
[22:13] <nicofs> charlie-tca: but "ping google.fr" returns unknown hostname...
[22:14] <nicofs> even though bytes have been moved...
[22:14] <nicofs> my problem resides with dhcp...
[22:14] <gr8m8> what's in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[22:15] <nicofs> gr8m8: i will check... but i'm in dual boot - so it's complicated... hang on... stupid of me... should be able to access it from here...
[22:16] <gr8m8> when you boot into the os make sure the dhcp daemon is running too
[22:18] <nicofs> gr8m8: ok. because of android-caused restrictions (no text editor) i can't check here... how could i start dhcp daemon in case it's not running?
[22:19] <Besogon> nicofs, What encryption do you have with your Wifi?
[22:19] <nicofs> Besogon: it's a hotel WLAN and not encrypted...
[22:20] <gr8m8> I've no idea   sudo service dhcpd start   maybe I would check it with   ps aux | grep dhcp
[22:22] <nicofs> ok... i'll check resolv.conf and dhcp daemon... hang on, back in a jiffy, i hope...
[22:41] <nicofs> ok... apparently connecting doesn't work proberly... no received or sent packeges are listed. resolv.conf is empty. service dhcpd start returns that there is no such service.
[22:44] <Besogon> ok
[22:45] <Besogon> up to me I've never started up interface with iwconfig. Was the interface made up?
[22:46] <nicofs> i started with ifconfig ra0 up...
[22:46] <nicofs> and then i listed networks with iwlist ra0 scanning
[22:49] <nicofs> i'm out of options...
[22:50] <Besogon> iwlist scanning
[22:50] <starfishblub> What would be better for a old laptop xubuntu lts or xubuntu 10.10
[22:51] <charlie-tca> depends on how fast you want to update and whether you want the latest and greatest or stabiltiy for 3 years
[22:52] <nicofs> Besogon: how is that different to iwlist "ra0" scanning?
[22:52] <starfishblub> what is better for use as a student and main computer?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> starfishblub: personally, I upgrade every 6 months on my work machine, so LTS doesn't work. My server has LTS because I don't want to reinstall things or break it
[22:53] <Besogon> I know only that iwlist scanning can give all result on all interfaces...
[22:54] <nicofs> Besogon: i only have on interface, ra0. it lists many networks. among them the one i want to connect to... now how do i connect and get an ip address?
[22:54] <charlie-tca> starfishblub: personal choice. Xubuntu 10.10 is good until april 2012, LTS is a three year distribution. You can upgrade it in two if desired, but it is supported for three. xubuntu 10.04 LTS is good until April 2013
[22:55] <starfishblub> So i should use lts for a server and 10.10 for the laptop?
[22:56] <charlie-tca> You should use LTS for any server, yes
[22:56] <charlie-tca> I don't know how often you want to upgrade as a student, though.
[22:57] <starfishblub> I am skilled with ubuntu but am brand new to xubuntu and the laptop is fairly slow with ubuntu.
[22:57] <Besogon> nicofs, OK. After all Did you have upped the interface?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> It's almost the same as far as maintenance
[22:58] <starfishblub> So it will have the same features as I am used to?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> hrm, no
[22:58] <Besogon> If so to enable DHCP you need "sudo dhclient ra0" only
[22:59] <charlie-tca> You might have to work more to get everything working, since we do not set everything up the way Ubuntu does.
[22:59] <starfishblub> What are the major differences?
[22:59] <charlie-tca> If it is a fairly new laptop, go with 10.10
[22:59] <charlie-tca> !xubuntu
[22:59] <nicofs> Besogon: dhclient ra0 runs for a while and then tells me that there was nothing to get...
[22:59] <starfishblub> Its actually quite old
[23:00] <charlie-tca> Abiword and Gnumeric instead of OpenOffice.org
[23:00] <starfishblub> How different are they?
[23:00] <charlie-tca> exaile instead of totem, xfburn instead of brasero, parole instead of ??? something
[23:01] <Besogon> nicofs, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[23:01] <nicofs> starfishblub: why not use an xubuntu live cd and have a look around?
[23:01] <starfishblub> I don't have totem
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Abiword and gnumeric are full featured, but they are much lighter on resources. They don't get all the extra bells and whistles
[23:01] <Besogon> look at section Unencrypted Connection
[23:01] <starfishblub> Wine still works the same?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> maybe it was rythmbox got replaced by exaile?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> parole is the movie player in Xubuntu
[23:02] <starfishblub> oh Its just called movie player in ubuntu
[23:03] <charlie-tca> mousepad is used instead of gedit
[23:03] <starfishblub> Will it have the same syntax and file format fetures.I am learning computer science courses.
[23:04] <starfishblub> O:-))
[23:04] <starfishblub> Mistake.
[23:06] <starfishblub> Will it be just as good for programming as gedit?
[23:06] <charlie-tca> I would try the live cd, and give it a look. Keep in mind though, the live cd is slow compared to an installed version
[23:06] <charlie-tca> starfishblub: yes, it should have
[23:06] <charlie-tca> gedit is better for programming than mousepad, but you can install it yourself
[23:06] <starfishblub> Thanks for your help.
[23:07] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. I am sure either choice will be just as good for you
[23:08] <Besogon> Ubuntu Software Center has better thing than gedit but it's selling.