[14:36] <balloons> akgraner is doing a livestreamed interview with me this morning.. should you wish to have some background noise.. and I do mean noise.. should be starting sometime in the next hour http://www.youtube.com/user/AmberGraner and https://plus.google.com/u/0/100254004947968890609/posts


[03:16] <needhelp1>  /join #lockpicking
[12:49] <alourie_laptop> hello
[12:54] <penguin42> hi
[13:00] <alourie_laptop> I just upgraded to alpha1 and get kernel panic. How should I debug it?
[13:28] <penguin42> alourie: Does the kernel panic occur right at boot or later?
[13:29] <alourie> penguin42: well, it sort of after. It gets to the login though, and then crashes. But it crashes anyway
[13:29] <alourie> so if I don't do anything, I'll only see the panic, not lightdm
[13:30] <penguin42> alourie: OK, so chances are if it got that far there might be some logs
[13:30] <alourie> well
[13:30] <alourie> dmesg? syslog?
[13:31] <penguin42>  maybe /var/log/kern.log ?
[13:31] <penguin42> if you're lucky
[13:33] <penguin42> alourie: How do you mean - if you don't do anything?
[13:33] <alourie> penguin42: just leave the computer alone
[13:33] <penguin42> alourie: But you can stop it somehow?
[13:33] <alourie> hm
[13:33] <alourie> well
[13:33] <alourie> you get login window
[13:34] <alourie> now you wait about a minute
[13:34] <alourie> now you're in console with panic trace
[13:34] <alourie> what can you do? :-)
[13:34] <penguin42> ah ok, so it doesn't quite crash - well, get the panic from dmesg or /var/log/kern.log and put it into a pastebin and maybe we can tell something - but you should report it as well
[13:35] <alourie> of course
[13:35] <alourie> I'm away atm, but will do
[16:20] <jtokarchuk> I am having difficulties finding something to work on. I know there are tons, but I am new at this. Looking in harvest, most of the stuff there seems to be done. Looking in launchpad, there are lots but I am unsure what to take on. Do I just pick a package I like and go?
[19:23] <hggdh> oh hasty people...
[19:36] <penguin42> ?
[19:55] <hggdh> the jtokar* above, asking a question and leaving, all in about 10 minutes
[19:59] <alourie> hggdh: no, it took 4 minutes this time
[21:16] <hggdh> indeed


[07:06] <xubuntu904> Hi, when I start ubuntu (xubuntu) on laptop screen on my laptop becomes much darker. This effect is permanent – to bring the light back I must reset BIOS settings to default – can someone help me how to solve this problem, pls?
[07:07] <xubuntu904> This effect started straight away in installation process
[07:15] <baizon> xubuntu904: what hardware specs do you have?
[07:32] <xubuntu904> sry, problem fixed - that was GRUB problem
[07:32] <baizon> :)
[07:32] <xubuntu904> sudo sed "s/\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=\)\"\"/\1\"acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor\"/" /etc/default/grub -i
[07:33] <xubuntu904> that worked
[07:33] <cfhowlett> xubuntu904, nicely done
[08:06] <cowbacon> Hi, I just wanted to say 'Thank you' to all the developers of Xubuntu. I recently tried Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu minimal install + download XFCE manually and I just gotta say "WoW". You guys did one awesome job. I love Xubuntu
[11:46] <earl2> I'd like to code a get-rich-quick web app with subscribers with someone (on the lean startup model, i.e. with a small lean startup company behind it).  I do code.
[11:49] <lderan> earl2: this is a support channel :)
[11:51] <earl2> lderan - I thought it was just general-interest chat channel on IRC :)
[11:52] <lderan> there is #xubuntu-offtopic for non-support related matters, but i don't know how successful you will be in getting interest
[14:20] <supernoob> Hello. I need to know if a cpu frequency can be easily set automatically at every bootup. I want it to always run at lowest possible step. I know cpufrequtils works and sets it, but can that be easily automated by adding a line of code somewhere. Can I make it run very early during boot.. Also, I cant find the question mark, lol. Thanks in advance!
[14:22] <koegs> supernoob: i think /etc/rc.local would be a good place for hat
[14:22] <koegs> *that
[14:23] <GridCube> supernoob: wont your bios have a clock setting?
[14:23] <GridCube> some have
[14:28] <supernoob> Thank you both. As I understand, simply putting the command in /etc/rc.local will be as if I went to Terminal and typed it manually at every bootup (questionmark) And the bios setting is very relevant to me since the bios seems to have jump between the actual MHz of each core and 2x that. Which means overheating. And I cant edit it (thats hp) and flashes have not solved it. So I need an in-OS workaround. If /etc/rc.local does it,
[14:30] <xubuntu119> hello?
[14:31] <baizon> hi xubuntu119
[15:14] <craigbass1976> I've got some weird packet issues.  I'm only having problems with one PC, using different NICs, switch ports, and cables.  Same stuff on other boxes has no trouble.  A livecd in this box also has no trouble -- I'm on Xubuntu 12.04
[17:27] <xubuntu083> Hello, I installed Xubuntu 12.10 as a VM under Hyper-V in windows 8 pro 64. The installation works fine the only problem being I have no wifi internet access. I didn't try direct cable connection but I really want wifi. I created the external virtual switch. My other windows VM easily connect to internet but when I repeat the same steps with Ubuntu, I have no luck. It is my first time using linux, may be I missed something obvio
[17:29] <GridCube> that would be a hyper-v problem wouldnt it?
[17:30] <bekks> xubuntu083: You cant directly use wifi in Hyper-V.
[17:30] <bekks> xubuntu083: You can present a virtualized (cabled) interface to the vm, which in fact uses the host wifi connection.
[17:34] <xubuntu083> That's what I do to get wifi internet from windows VM in Hyper-V (external virtual switch) and I do connect the xubuntu VM to that switch but it won't see internet unlike my windows VM... :(
[17:37] <Sysi> reboot the guest adn if possible the host too
[17:44] <xubuntu083> Yes I did reboot more than once...
[17:46] <GridCube> xubuntu083: maybe change the virtual network adapter in hyper-v
[17:48] <bekks> xubuntu083: Are the network settings correct, in the guest?
[18:05] <xubuntu083> The guest only sees a wired network connection with automatic IPv4 and IPv6 detection
[18:07] <bekks> xubuntu083: Yes. Just like I told you initially.
[18:08] <xubuntu083> But it still won't access internet
[18:09] <bekks> xubuntu083: Did you check the IP settings in the guest?
[18:11] <xubuntu083> IPv4: automatic (DHCP) and IPv6: automatic
[18:11] <GridCube> that should be
[18:11] <GridCube> xubuntu083: try changing the virtual adapter on the hyper-v setting for that virtual machine
[18:12] <bekks> xubuntu083: So which IP does the guest have?
[18:12] <bekks> xubuntu083: Thats what I mean by "check the address settings".
[18:14] <xubuntu083> it has no IPv4 address and the IPv6 address is 2002:b8a0:9b24:0:1077:d413:49f7:c1c6/64
[18:16] <xubuntu083> there is only one possible virtual adapter on Hyper-V as far as I can see...
[18:17] <bekks> xubuntu083: So there is no configured IP address. Fix it, and you will reach the internet.
[18:30] <xubuntu083> OK, I manualy entered the ipv4 address, netmask, gateway, and DNS server. It seems to accept what I enter cause I can see those values in connection information but I still cannot connect with firefox.
[18:34] <bekks> "it accepts it" does not mean it makes any sense.
[18:34] <bekks> Which IP/netmask/gateway did you enter?
[18:34] <bekks> And which networking mode do you use for the interface in the settings of hyper-v?
[18:35] <xubuntu083> the one I found with ipconfig /all
[18:35] <bekks> The same IP?
[18:36] <bekks> Ten it cant work, since its a duplicate IP address then.
[18:36] <xubuntu083> networking mode??? external
[18:36] <bekks> So finally tell us the settings.
[18:36] <xubuntu083> I'm suppose to make up an IPv4 address?
[18:37] <bekks> Of course.
[18:37] <bekks> How do you expect networking to be working? :)
[18:38] <xubuntu083> Sorry, rooky in this side... I thought it used the host address since it was accessing internet through it.
[18:38] <bekks> Thats a duplicate IP and will inhibit internet access from the host, too. :)
[18:48] <xubuntu274> Sorry for leaving like that, I restarted my xubuntu VM and I got a bleu screen in windows when trying internet in the VM
[18:50] <bekks> xubuntu274: Then you have an issue for ##windows
[18:50] <xubuntu274> never ends...
[19:03] <xubuntu274> I changed the IP from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>. Same for the gateway. It is still not working but I least, firefox take a lot more time to tell me...
[19:06] <bekks> xubuntu274: And which IP and which gateway does your host have?
[19:07] <bekks> You cant randomly select addresses. :)
[19:11] <xubuntu274> Oh wait... from the website whatismyip I get <IP_ADDRESS> but it is nowhere to be found in ipconfig which gives me IPv4:<IP_ADDRESS> for the Ethernet card.. I think I'm confused now...
[19:15] <xubuntu274> oups IPv4:<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:18] <bekks> Dont mix external WAN IP and internal LAN IP.
[19:18] <bekks> Please answer my question above.
[19:21] <xubuntu274> Host: IPv4 <IP_ADDRESS> and Gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:22] <bekks> So 192.168.10.... will never work in your guest.
[19:22] <bekks> Assign an IP from the <IP_ADDRESS> network.
[19:27] <xubuntu274> I take <IP_ADDRESS> for both IPv4 and gateway or only IPv4?
[19:27] <bekks> No.
[19:27] <bekks> <IP_ADDRESS> is a network address. Dont use it as IP address for host/guest
[19:28] <bekks> <IP_ADDRESS> is your gateway, .106 is your host. Choose another.
[19:28] <bekks> Ansd set the same gateway as on your host.
[19:28] <xubuntu274> OK then on the VM I used IPv4 <IP_ADDRESS> et Gateway <IP_ADDRESS> but firefox cannot connect to server... may be I should reboot...
[19:28] <bekks> No.
[19:28] <bekks> Set a correct IP address. Do not use <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:31] <xubuntu274> Ok then I don't know how to assign an IP from the <IP_ADDRESS> network... not sure what it means...
[19:32] <bekks> Choose from these: <IP_ADDRESS>-105 and 192.168.107-254
[19:34] <Sysi> if xubuntu says it's connected you have address correctly, I'd try dhcp and then ping -c 3 <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:35] <xubuntu274> My god!!! is works now!!!! on the vm IPv4 <IP_ADDRESS> and gateway <IP_ADDRESS>..... I don't know how to thank you!
[19:35] <Sysi> (reading more backlog, dhcp failed)
[19:36] <bekks> Sysi: ack.
[20:03] <rconway> hello
[20:08] <TDO|Aquina> hy
[20:09] <xubuntu274> Well bekks... Live long and prosper! you made my day!
[20:10] <bekks> xubuntu274: You're welcome, earthling ;)
[21:02] <bkerensa> Does Xubuntu not use lightdm?
[21:02] <knome> uses
[21:19] <bkerensa> knome: hmm the login looks significantly different from the lightdm login Ubuntu has
[21:19] <Sysi> it's called theming ;)
[21:20] <knome> bkerensa, that ^
[21:32] <bkerensa> knome: how come on Ubuntu if one installs xubuntu-desktop the lightdm theming then looks Xubuntu + Awesomesauce but not when just a clean install of Xubuntu alone?
[21:33] <knome> i'm not sure i follow
[21:34] <Sysi> awesomesauce is opinion dependant (I don't know what you mean it looks/works like)
[21:34] <Unit193> knome: Basically, "I don't like the default theme."
[21:34] <Sysi> in lightdm you can change the greeter and the background image, separately
[21:35] <Sysi> in gtk-greeter you can also change the theme it uses
[21:35] <Unit193> bkerensa: Install unity-greeter and you'll be fine.
[21:36] <bkerensa> Unit193: why can there not be xubuntu-greeter
[21:36] <bkerensa> ;p
[21:36] <knome> bkerensa, patches are welcome.
[21:36] <bkerensa> heh
[21:36] <bkerensa> :)
[21:36] <bkerensa> I love that phrase
[21:37] <Sysi> unity greeter has some downsides, for example it's unusable if same machine has 300 users
[21:38] <bkerensa> Unit193: hah unity-greeter also installs every scope and webapps
[21:39] <bkerensa> pfft
[21:39] <Unit193> Part of the reason it's junk.
[21:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Junk for Xubuntu users anyway :)
[21:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Who needs unity-greeter when there's lightdm-gtk-greeter?
[21:49] <Sysi> I wouldn't need lightdm if tty autologin wasn't such a mess without sysv
[21:51] <Sysi> (truth be told it was a mess with centos 6 and sysv)


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[14:22] <esv> hey folks, I am trying to install aufs-tools on 22.04 and already  have "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list but apt does not find it.
[14:22] <esv> do I need to run anything special there?
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> esv: looks like it still was on focal
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> !info aufs-tools focal
[14:27] <esv> thnx
[14:29] <esv> let's see if I don't break my box :D
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> try not to mix package versions esv
[14:31]  * esv snickers and installs aufs-tools from focal on jammy
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> esv: maybe if you tell the volunteers what you are doing, they might know a workaround
[14:33] <esv> trying to add aufs support to the kernel on 22.04
[14:43] <esv> hahaha, never mind, I am trying to create a bootable iso file from a running server to deploy it in other machines.
[14:43] <esv> found a script that requires aufs and squashfs modules support, but there might be other ways to do it
[19:17] <Niclos98> How To integrate two different Domains on the Ubuntu 22.04 LTS server? I already integrated one LDAP domain and I want to integrate the second LDAP domain, so do I have to install any packages for this ?
[20:12] <tomreyn> Niclos98: on a previous occasion where you asked basically the same question, i suggested using sssd, and i think i pointed to documentation, which includes a configuration example. i think we talked about (or i discussed) how you could just add another ldap server there. had you tried this? what was the result? any error messages? when you ask such questions, you should definitely provide more details on what you tried so far, what the
[20:12] <tomreyn> results were, how you could tell, what your current configuration looks like (pastebin) etc.
[20:22] <Niclos98> tomreyn: I was adding the second like this under /etc/sssd/sssd.conf--> [sssd] domain = FQDN1 and domain = FQDN2 but the first LDAP domain is working the second is not working.
[20:24] <tomreyn> the configuration example at https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-sssd-ldap suggests you'd need to have [sssd] ... \n[domain/FQDN1] ... \n[domain/FQDN2]
[20:27] <tomreyn> and probably something like "domains = FQDN1 FQDN2" in the [sssd] section
[20:27] <tomreyn> https://github.com/sgallagher/sssd/blob/master/src/examples/sssd-example.conf also suggests this
[20:28] <tomreyn> actually that's "domains = FQDN1,FQDN2"
[20:28] <tomreyn> as seen in its man page
[20:29] <tomreyn> Niclos98: ^
[21:24] <dak_> On an old ProLiant DL380p Gen8, I'm trying to install Ubuntu server 22.04.3 from ISO but running into an odd (what looks like) TUI issue with subiquity. I'm trying to set up a linux RAID 1, but under the "Create software RAID ("MD") disk" pane within the interface, the "Devices" section is blank. However, there are obviously devices present as I can arrow through the list to select devices for the RAID and click create. I just
[21:24] <dak_> have to do it completely blind. Has anyone seen this?
[21:29] <tomreyn> dak_: not sure if this is clear: you're supposed to first define array members (devices, or partitions) and then use the option you referred to to create a raid array with these member devices.
[21:30] <dak_> Right, thats what I cant see. I'm selecting the members blind. :(
[21:32] <dak_> Looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/EnX0bSW.png
[21:33] <dbungert> dak_: subiquity also listens on ssh, the menu in the top-right has details.  That might show more information.
[21:33] <dbungert> in particular this should let you do "rich mode" and avoid the minimal black and white stuff which might be related
[21:34] <dak_> Yeah, I thought about ssh but I have to do this through the remote console of the iLO atm.
[21:50] <tomreyn> maybe using the iLO virtual serial port might help there
[22:09] <Niclos98> tomreyn: was tried to join the second LDAP domain and its says "realm: couldn't join realm: Already joined to another domain:"
[22:17] <tomreyn> maybe this helps? https://serverfault.com/questions/875568/linux-sssd-with-two-ad-domains
[22:18] <tomreyn> Niclos98: ^ but i lack experience with working with sssd, or multiple directories / realms, really. maybe wait for someone else to help if you can't find anything useful on documentations and the web.
[22:19] <tomreyn> if the realms are named identicall,y that would be an issue, i guess
[22:33] <dak_> tomreyn, yeah... maybe. We shall see. For the moment, I may just roll with it. Not ideal but I can work around it. If you (or anyone else) thinks of any other ideas, let me know. :)
[22:35] <tomreyn> https://codeberg.org/cgoslaw/sssd-multidomain/src/branch/main/Guide_EN.md - written for RHEL8, but I assume it works very similar on ubuntu
[22:36] <tomreyn> Niclos98: ^
[22:36] <tomreyn> dak_: well you could "autoinstall"
[22:39] <tomreyn> or maybe this helps with the console redirection: https://stivesso.blogspot.com/2014/09/hp-ilo-rhel7-upstart-output-to-vsp.html
[22:53] <dak_> tomreyn, thank you for the additional suggestions. I've thought about autoinstall for future installs, so its a good suggestion. If I go that route, it would be a non-issue for sure.
[22:54] <dbungert> dak_: if you can get the install to complete, /var/log/installer/autoinstall-user-data will have a starting point that can be used for future installs.
[23:08] <dak_> Neat, thank you for that information dbungert


[03:22] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> does ut have terminal
 Indeed it does
 Actually has pretty amazing features... Making something so keyboard heavy work on a touch screen was no small feat but they did that part marvelously
 Mycroft for Ubuntu Touch. Thoughts?
 I think the ever evasive will out there had proposed this ;)
[04:18] <ubptgbot> eo0xff was added by: eo0xff
 @wayneoutthere, I don't think I've met him . . . … Do you know what it would take to integrate it into UT as fully as Google Now is in Android?
 @amolith, See https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/community-update-21-79
 MyCroft AI integration —> Marius demonstrated some integration a long time ago but without the UI. This is not a priority until we reach the 16.04 milestone. We will leave this to the community until we can combine efforts.
 @eo0xff, Hi 0xfff leo, check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started
 we have hybris oreo device tree? :D
 @advocatux, Mycroft would be cool, but idk how Mycroft is developing as a voice assistant, I haven't heard how good or bad it is since the beans incident
 @Mark Mullins, Still Oxide derivative of Chromium I believe. Though Xenial offers other possibilities?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Beans? I am intrigued…
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5J7vVQNkCw ?
 ^
[09:17] <ubptgbot> Alex was added by: Alex
 I have a pixel 2 XL any luck on installing?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, I played some months ago with Mycroft running on a Raspberry pi 3 and it clearly needed a lot of development. I'm downloading the last picroft version right now and I'll see how is these days
 @advocatux, I believe there was suppose to be a big update in February.
 I'm downloading Picroft - 2018-3-14
[10:01] <ubptgbot> federurio was added by: federurio
 Hello, i would like to install ub on my old nexus 7
 where i can fine the image file?
 There's no ready image available, unfortunately. You can port UT to your device however
 @advocatux, Do you know snips?
 Snips.ai
[10:10] <opendata> federurio
 @federurio, Is it 2012 or 2013 model?
 @federurio, Hello Federico. You can find out more about UBports at … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 2012 wifi
 @unknown, Nope but I know it now 👍
 @Alex, Unfortunately not. This was mentioned yesterday though … https://copperhead.co/
 @advocatux, I use it to control my self made offline smart home - it is only for speech recognition - but it does work pretty good
 Hmm the license wouldn't allow to integrate snips in UBports for free
[10:45] <ubptgbot> AkshitGarg was added by: AkshitGarg
 Welcome @AkshitGarg !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you started.
 Are tabs webbrowser-app in sandbox?
 @advocatux, Are you sure - this isn't a commercial project
 On GitHub the code is MIT or Apache 2
 The license is dual https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o-P2cYze_pMv-8MClMuUBEdPET8vLyGVAw145lq2ePM/pub
 We should move to OT if we are going to keep talking about snips.ai
 what daemon/part of Ubuntu controls device power state, such as going to sleep with screen off?
 @NotKit, Not sure but Powerd maybe is related?
 thanks
 wonder why powerd is not forked by UBPorts then
 @NotKit, It is https://github.com/ubports/repowerd
 repowerd? interesting
 @advocatux, I don't know.. this seems.. on topic.  UT is revolutionary.. this is kind of a 'standard need' now and I think it's a fair discussion to say 'what's up with voice and UT"
 @DanChapman, Strictly, repowerd is a powerd replacement, not a fork.
 @wayneoutthere, You're the boss so we'll keep it here 👍
 @alan_griffiths, Ah ok, thanks! I wasn't sure if it was a modified fork of powerd or it's own thing. Was just looking for some documentation somewhere on the rationale behind it. But kind find anything really.
 @advocatux, Wait, this I miss a memo...@wayneoutthere is boss now?
 @advocatux, [Edit] Wait, did I miss a memo...@wayneoutthere is boss now?
 You get sick for a couple of days and all of a sudden. Wayne rises to power.
 @Mohannes, Not really but he's suffering a lot with that NC installation and I wanted to ease his pain 😆
 @alan_griffiths, But the ubports repo is a "fork" of the original repowerd
 @alan_griffiths, [Edit] Ah ok, thanks! I wasn't sure if it was a modified fork of powerd or it's own thing. Was just looking for some documentation somewhere on the rationale behind it. But cant find anything really.
 strictly speaking ;)
 I wasn't closely involved but repowerd was the result of frustration with the fragile interactions between unity-system-compositor and powerd. There were issues both with the code and the architecture. Once some test cases were set out it became clear a rewrite was the cleanest way forwards.
 yeah. repowerd is definitely better
 Yes, the code doesn't hurt my eyes.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/bGFAJwC7.png Excuse me, can i get help with this?
 Idk what's going on, my ubuntu error
 fsck /dev/sdXX and check the / integrity
 [Edit] fsck /dev/sdXX to check the / integrity
 [Edit] fsck /dev/sdXX to check the root(/) integrity
 @Ihsound, irc #ubuntu on freenode for general support with ubuntu on PCs, this group is about ubuntu touch on phones/tablets
 @dohbee, Ok, i am sorry. My bad. Just ignore my chat
 @advocatux, you don;'t know the full pain
 Sorry everyone
 @wayneoutthere, I've been following your cloud series.  Ubuntu 15.04(R3) OnePlus One bacon
[13:38] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> I can't access via ADB
[13:38] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Tried 3 usb wires, ADB just comes up with the device # and offline
[13:39] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Developer Mode is on
 Is ADB really running on PC? Did you check with other devices?
 and of course make sure that on pc it's running with sudo (in os x or linux) or as admin (on windows)
[13:46] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> Yes, have the process ID and is bound by root
 oh, did you set password on your phone? developer mode doesn't work without the password
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> yes
 dunno than, lack of info=( My one works nice both with windows and os x
[14:31] <ubptgbot> <Jonathan Jenkins> If it matters, my system(s) aren't recognizing the storage either. So I can't do file transfer
 @Jonathan Jenkins, Known bug. See this to fix it https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1015/howto-opo-fix-mtp-driver-permissions
 While you are at that you can do this too https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1030/howto-change-the-name-of-your-device-for-bluetooth-pairing
 Good morning
 Good afternoon
[15:04] <ubptgbot> Paul Q was added by: Paul Q
 @Paul Q, Hi Paul Q, see https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
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 @samzn, ... Nice. Are you in Vancouver Canada? Rare to see mornings match up in here.
 @wayneoutthere, I live in a third world shithole
 oh.  well, tht sounds like here
 depends on your qualification of the term
 uhm
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 Are tabs webbrowser-app in sandbox?
 Are tabs webbrowser-app isolated in sandbox?
 yes and no
 it depends on what you are asking exactly
 they are as isolated from each other as tabs in chromium are by default, iirc
 each tab does not have a separate profile though
 and i don't think we have the aggressive process-per-site enabled (don't recall if it was even available in that version of chromium either)
 Does UT support VoLTE
 i don't think so
 at least not unless it's transparent in the baseband hardware, i guess
 the versions of ofono available in 15.04 or 16.04 don't support it. so i would say it likely won't be supported until sometime after 16.04 is made stable
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 I don't think my phone is compatible with ubuntu touch, but I wanted to join telegram anyways to support the community. ^_^''
 @Revenge, Great. What is your current phone?
 Lgg3
 @Stereofont, Its the lg phone g3
 @Revenge, It was listed in the Halium project 24 days ago
 That doesn't mean it will complete but an attempt is being made
 @Stereofont, Oh cool!
 Anything I can do to help it along? I'm a programmer, just not a very good one
 Pepitortue on Github seems to be the lead
 May be in the Halium group in Telegram?
 Link?
 @halium
 Halium is not only a base for UT but it enables UT installs
[17:06] <opendata> anyone have ubports rootfs links?
[17:06] <opendata> and anyone know what ill meed to change to make the rootfs work without hallium
 @opendata, tarballs would be on system-image.ubports.com
 Meanwhile, a 2013 Nexus 7 is probably the cheapest way to play around with UT
 @opendata, without halium, or without any android hal you mean?
[17:08] <opendata> halium
[17:08] <opendata> and android hal
 the rootfs doesn't require halium (15.04 images are not built with halium, and i'm not sure if any of the currently supported 16.04 devices are either)
 not requiring hybris will probably require a lot of patching and rebuilding things
[17:11] <opendata> that... sounds fun
[17:11] <opendata> anytihing to point me in right direction
 `apt-cache rdepends` for all the binary packages listed at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libhybris maybe
 there's plenty of stuff that uses android properties, which would need to be changed to something else, for example
[17:18] <opendata> hmmph
[17:19] <opendata> so i either port android 6.0 to it or do that
 @opendata, start with installing mesa mir platform
 that should bring you UI
 then check adaptation for other things
 @opendata, [Edit] start with installing mesa libEGL and kms mir platform
 you probably don't see edits in IRC, I meant libEGL from Mesa and KMS platform for Mir
 they are in repos
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[17:23] <opendata> i do :)
[17:24] <opendata> shows like
[17:24] <opendata> ```
 @opendata, [Edit] start with installing mesa libEGL and kms mir platform
[17:24] <opendata> ```
 some init stuff and default config probably would need changed too. at least for pulseaudio and gstreamer it should be pretty easy to just remove the android plug-ins
[17:24] <opendata> we have no audio ;)
 I think init will just continue even if it can't setup Android container
[17:25] <opendata> though we do have gstreamer hw accel
 @opendata, sounds like a pretty awful phone, if it has no audio :)
[17:26] <opendata> heh, mostly waiting on linaro for audio
[17:26] <opendata> (they are upstreaming slimbus)
[17:26] <opendata> which is a req for audio
[17:26] <opendata> its z2 tablet
[17:27] <opendata> we didnt even have battery percent till a two days ago
[17:27] <opendata> even then its userspace math
 @Donieck, Webapps are, afaik. If you like you can create a webapp for any site you are consulting or to use different profiles.
 ok, well, point still stands. at least for gstreamer and pulseaudio the android plug-ins are separate packages, and not direct deps of the core libs
 you might be able to get by having hybris and stuff remain installed for a lot too, but i think several are just built to assume hybris/android being the only way to do certain things, for armhf/arm64 builds
 I guess rebuilding some things isn't the biggest deal, you currently have to do so even with Halium-based adaptations
 (I know it's not supposed to be this way, but...)
 well you don't have to rebuild the rootfs with halium
 if you have to build different rootfs tarball per device, then something is very wrong
 (at least for android based devices using halium, avoiding android is a different set of problems)
 say getting Mir on CAF 7.1 devices *currently* requires rebuilding it with CAF-enabled android-headers
 I know it's going to be fixed, but just as example, another one is outdated pulseaudio-module-droid
 well, that's because the CAF thing is incredibly stupid and someone broke the world
 updating pulseaudio-module-droid is way easier, and should be done anyway
 the CAF thing is awful and i dont see how it would ever be "fixed" outside of having to ship one rootfs for CAF and one for standard
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 Is it possible to install ubuntu touch on LYF Flame 1 or Xiomi Redmi Note 3 ?
 @dohbee, Maybe I misunderstood, but isn't it just the Mir android platform that needs building with "appropriate" headers? Including two builds of that lib may be ugly, but it might possibly be made to work.
 @Jishnurajm, if those are not in the list of supported devices, no
 the issue is that compared to desktop, Android phones require a firmware built for them specifically, installing the one build for other device won't work
 [Edit] the issue is that compared to desktop, Android phones require a firmware built for them specifically, installing the one built for other device won't work
[18:25] <opendata> not necessarily
 @alan_griffiths, I don't recall the exact details, but I thought it was anything that needs that header which screwed up the enum ordering.
[18:25] <opendata> thats what trebel is for
 so trebel is just going to have all possible sets of firmware blobs in one image?
 they are going to be in vendor partition
 so treble just moves the hardware-specific bits to another partition?
[18:28] <opendata> it makes the main system android specific
[18:28] <opendata> and the hals are isolated
[18:28] <opendata> s/android specific/non-device specific
 and it requires 8.1+ and device with a/b partitioning right?
[18:29] <opendata> no
[18:29] <opendata> only 8
 i guess it won't help much with ubports situation then
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 @Jishnurajm, Mi 3 Cancro is receiving some attention in the Halium porting community. That is different than the Note 3? The other phone is limited to India it seems and with only 1 Gb RAM it is not an ideal candidate
 @alan_griffiths, That and a few other bits. We've got an experiment going but Mir can't auto-detect which platform it's running on yet: https://github.com/ubports/mir/commit/70bc62ce9906fcf3b3ff99b42ad6747415c1fd48
 @UniversalSuperBox, is there still an issue with it if platform is set manually?
 That is an excellent question.
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[08:47] <matti> Hello there folks!
[09:03] <matti> Who would be the best person to talk to about Ubuntu Wiki?
[12:29] <pmatulis> matti, the best is to just ask the question
[18:39] <matti> pmatulis: Ah, sorry!
[18:39] <matti> I have lost an ability to edit my personal page.
[18:39] <matti> For some reason unknown. It used to work fine, but for quite some time I can't do it.
[18:39] <matti> I am not entirely sure why.
[18:40] <matti> (sorry for late reply, I got busy at work)
[18:45] <pmatulis> matti, you need to be a member of a special group
[18:45] <pmatulis> this should be documented somewhere within the "home" link (see topic)
[18:46] <pmatulis> 'should be'
[18:47] <zaki> matti: which page?
[18:57] <matti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KrzysztofWilczynski
[18:57] <matti> It used to work fine :)
[18:57] <matti> Did I upset something?
[19:00] <zaki> when did it stop working?
[19:00] <zaki> matti: ^
[19:03] <zaki> matti: at first you have to be member of this https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors  team to edit your wiki.
[22:00] <matti> Sorry. I got busy.


[09:55] <pavithra> hi.. I am trying to build my first app on ubuntu phone in the ubuntu sdk and I am running Ubuntu 14.04.. The app type is QML App with simple UI (qmake). The framework I chose is Ubuntu-sdk-15.04.5... The kit selected are UbuntuSDK for amd64 and UbuntuSDK for armhf.  After all, this when I try to build it (without adding anymore code), it gives an error  No rule to make target, Manifest.json needed by first
[18:26] <mhall119> bzoltan: what's the official and working API for adding keyboard shortcuts to an app?


[02:01] <blankley> So I just tried my very first testdrive of a nightly saucy ISO, using testdrive and Virtualbox, and I'm getting a PAE kernel error on boot
[02:03] <blankley> My host device is a Toshiba laptop from 2007, with an Intel Core 2 Duo T5250
[02:05] <blankley> Any workarounds to be able to test ISOs using this laptop?
[02:15] <blankley> If someone is curious, I found an existing bugreport for my problem: #940755
[02:57] <blankley> Alright, I've found a solution to that bug in the testdrive source code, but I don't know how to create submit a patch
[07:15] <abc> hi
[07:26] <jibel> Good morning
[08:11] <DanChapman> Good Morning all
[08:14] <Noskcaj> evening DanChapman
[08:15] <Noskcaj> Are you able to move your branch from /+junk to /testdrive yet? It would make watching it a lot easier
[08:15] <DanChapman> Hey Nosckaj, its already in lp:testdrive mate
[08:15] <DanChapman> well i think it is..... just checking
[08:16] <DanChapman> yeah its there
[08:25] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, ok, i'll take a look later.
[09:25] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:25] <Noskcaj> hey slickymaster
[09:26] <slickymaster> Noskcaj: hi, feelling good?
[09:26] <DanChapman> morning slickymaster
[09:26] <slickymaster> DanChapman: DanChapman ;)
[11:18] <DanChapman> xnox, ping
[12:37] <pitti> Good morning
[12:37] <DanChapman> morning pitti
[12:37] <pitti> hey DanChapman
[12:38] <DanChapman> pitti, if you get a chance at all today could you run your eyes over this for me https://code.launchpad.net/~dpniel/autopilot-gtk/autopilotgtkemulators
[12:39] <pitti> DanChapman: sorry, I've been on conferences last and this week, and today is packed (I'm speaking, too)
[12:39] <pitti> DanChapman: I'm afraid that will have to wait at least until Friday (depending on the schedule) or next wek
[12:39] <jibel> Good morning pitti and DanChapman
[12:40] <DanChapman> pitti, ok mate thats not a problem. :-) Enjoy your day
[12:40] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[12:40] <pitti> DanChapman: thanks
[12:40] <DanChapman> hey jibel
[12:43] <thomi> good morning all
[12:43] <DanChapman> morning thomi
[12:43] <JackYu> good night, thomi:)
[12:43] <JackYu> It's 8:43pm here:)
[12:44]  * thomi makes the most of his time in the USA
[12:44] <jibel> it is always morning somewhere anyway
[12:45] <jibel> or good mornoon might fit all
[12:45] <JackYu> :)
[13:39] <thomi> balloons: hey - who was it who reported the saucy autopilot slowdown?
[13:40] <DanChapman> thomi it was senan, but I can confirm it aswell. Its not the case for all applications though
[13:40] <thomi> well, I fixed it yesterday
[13:41] <balloons> ohh did you?
[13:41] <thomi> in a typical case, test speed went from 15 seconds to under 5 seconds. It landed in 1.3 trunk last night, should get released to distro sometime soon
[13:41] <thomi> fixed it but good :)
[13:41] <DanChapman> thomi, awesome :-)
[13:42] <thomi> you can try it out manually until then: lp:autopilot/1.3 is th branch to grab
[13:47] <balloons> just yesterday I had a 13 min run.. I'm curious to see if this fixed it :-)
[14:17] <elopio> good morning avengers.
[14:29] <SergioMeneses> elopio, \o morning
[15:13] <elopio> hello SergioMeneses.
[15:13] <elopio> SergioMeneses, are you guys doing a Software Freedom Day in Colombia?
[15:14] <SergioMeneses> elopio, yes, but in another cities not mine
[15:43] <thomi> elopio: or pitti: could I ask one of you to review this please? https://code.launchpad.net/~thomir/autopilot/forward-port-changes/+merge/186369
[15:43] <thomi> elopio reviewed it yesterday, but I had to make some changes, re-merge in some new features and re-submit
[15:44] <thomi> but this branch will bring trunk in line with the 1.3 series
[15:50] <om26er> anyone with a mako. can you confirm bug 1226672
[16:06] <balloons> om26er, looking
[16:06] <balloons> om26er, there seems to be a non-smooth transition with the dimming/un-dimming stuff
[16:06] <balloons> turning it on displays the same symptoms
[16:07] <thomi> cgoldberg: perhaps you could review this for me please? https://code.launchpad.net/~thomir/autopilot/forward-port-changes/+merge/186369
[16:08] <om26er> balloons, yeah, for me if the screen is dimmed and i touch it afterwards it take like a second for it to comeback to bright state
[16:08] <om26er> its a recent regression like ~1week old
[16:08]  * balloons confirmed
[16:16] <cgoldberg> thomi, sure
[16:16] <thomi> cgoldberg: thanks - it's tricky getting stuff reviewed in this timezone :)
[16:18] <cgoldberg> thomi, I was just looking at AutoPilot.  you know how test results only get printed in batches after the run? (rather than as the tests execute)
[16:18] <thomi> cgoldberg: yes
[16:18] <cgoldberg> I think I can change that without using subunit... just using a TextTestRunner
[16:19] <cgoldberg> and you'll get results as they execute
[16:19] <thomi> cgoldberg: yeah, but that won't play nicely with the verbose log output
[16:22] <cgoldberg> thomi, how so?
[16:23] <cgoldberg> thomi, it displays like this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124578/     just needs some indentation and line wrapping and it would look nice
[16:25] <balloons> om26er, can you run autopilot directly on the images anymore?
[16:26] <balloons> om26er, it fails with this for me http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124593/
[16:26] <om26er> balloons, I didn't try, I guess I need to make it rw first
[16:27] <balloons> om26er, yes
[16:27] <om26er> balloons, what do i need to touch ?
[16:27] <om26er> touch as in command lol
[16:28] <balloons> om26er, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting#Switch_from_RO_to_RW , /userdata/.writable_image
[16:36] <balloons> I feel like I need more than 1 phone now, lol.. it's hard to test AP stuff and manual tests at the same time
[16:44] <rvr> balloons: lol
[16:45] <rvr> balloons: Let's hope you don't receive any call during an AP test ;)
[16:45] <balloons> om26er, so I installed the ubuntu-sdk do to the qmlscene error in the trace, but it changed nothing. it still fails
[16:45] <balloons> rvr, :-) That would be funny..
[16:45] <om26er> balloons, I enabled rw on my phone, I am going to try that
[16:47] <balloons> om26er, if you get it to work I want a log from the calendar app tests
[16:49] <om26er> balloons, the problem could probably with the MTP support as well, it just disconected while my test was running
[16:49] <om26er> now running the test directly on the phone terminal
[16:50] <balloons> om26er, ohh right, that's a nice workaround
[16:50] <om26er> balloons, it ran fine on my phone now
[16:50] <balloons> om26er, can you capture the log and push it to paste?
[16:50] <om26er> balloons, I think that's a known issue with MTP atleast a_sac knows about that
[16:52] <om26er> balloons, sure
[16:53] <thomi> cgoldberg: yeah, but if you run it with a functional test....
[16:54] <om26er> balloons, that didn't work, I ran the test as autopilot run -v test_name > calendar.log and the logs only had
[16:54] <om26er> Loading tests from: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages
[16:54] <om26er> Tests running...
[16:54] <om26er> __pthread_gettid -2
[16:54] <om26er> Ran 1 test in 49.076s
[16:54] <om26er> OK
[16:54] <om26er> while the screen did show logs :p
[16:56] <balloons> om26er, only 1 test? there should be 5
[16:56] <om26er> balloons, I only ran the one that was failing for you. let me run all
[16:56] <balloons> om26er, you'll need to redirect stderr too, not just stdout :-)
[16:56] <balloons> om26er, they only fail when run as a group
[16:57] <balloons> om26er, use &> calendar.log
[16:57] <balloons> or the 2>&1 stuff
[16:57] <om26er> ack
[16:58] <balloons> hurray, I merged the pending manual test requests.. ty everyone who had one waiting ;-)
[17:09] <pitti> thomi: back, can do it now
[17:10] <pitti> thomi: yay new ap in saucy!
[17:12] <thomi> \o/
[17:14] <thomi> jfunk: I'm finding and reporting a lot of touch bugs - from the wiki it looks like I just need to report it with the correct tags: is that correct? I don't need to add it to a spreadsheet somewhere?
[17:15] <pitti> thomi: ah, still pep8 fun in the forward port :( (did you see the failure?)
[17:15] <thomi> oh FFS
[17:15] <thomi> I thought I fixed that
[17:15]  * thomi fixes it now
[17:15] <jfunk> thomi, I believe that is correct
[17:16] <jfunk> balloons, and iahmad made up some new ideas this morning I haven't fully caught up with yet
[17:16] <balloons> jfunk, thomi yes, I have no plans to use a spreadsheet
[17:16] <balloons> sane or not, launchpad will be my only data source for bugs :-)
[17:17] <pitti> thomi: done
[17:17] <thomi> pitti: pEP8 issues fixed & pushed
[17:17] <thomi> ok, cool
[17:17] <pitti> thomi: don't these pep8 tests run during package builds? I had assumed they were part of the non-DISPLAY unit tests
[17:18] <thomi> pitti: no, it's a pbuilder hook that automation adds
[17:19] <thomi> pitti: top approving it now
[17:19] <pitti> thomi: ah, would probably be better to add that to setup.py test (or whatever) so that you get these locally?
[17:19] <pitti> thomi: did you run the full tests with both py2 and py3?
[17:19] <thomi> pitti: yes, with tox
[17:19] <pitti> nice
[17:29] <jfunk> balloons, can you update the note at the top of the spreadsheet with the process that you've decided on for tracking automation - http://goo.gl/dwidOm
[17:31] <balloons> jfunk, we can just point to the wiki page.. I'd prefer that I think
[17:32] <jfunk> sure
[17:32] <jfunk> balloons, would you like to join our standup in the AM or PM
[17:33] <balloons> I'm typically around for both, haha, but my EOD is closer to the pm.. when is the pm again/
[17:44] <elfy> balloons: about 1am I think :)
[17:45] <thomi> jfunk: is the camera app missing from this list for a reason? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/BugFiling
[17:46] <balloons> thomi, because you haven't added it yet.. No, probably an oversight, let's add it
[17:46] <balloons> :-)
[17:47] <thomi> I seem to be finding a bug a minute... literally
[17:47] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+filebug?field.tags=avengers
[17:47] <thomi> balloons: are you adding it, or shall I?
[17:47] <thomi> ta
[17:47] <balloons> I'm on it, ty
[18:32] <cgoldberg> thomi, I reviewed your forward-port-changes MP.  few suggestions in comments
[18:34] <thomi> cgoldberg: thanks, good catches there :)
[18:34] <thomi> I'll fix it upand TA
[18:37] <cgoldberg> cool
[19:01] <elopio> alecu: are you trying to run the tests on the phone?
[19:02] <alecu> elopio: I was requested to run the unity8 autopilot tests on a branch I did for unity-lens-applications
[19:03] <alecu> elopio: I suppose I need to run it on the phone, yes.
[19:03] <elopio> veebers: are you here?
[19:03] <thomi> jfunk: this one's good fun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/powerd/+bug/1227319
[19:03] <veebers> elopio: yep, what's the haps?
[19:04] <elopio> awesome. alecu wants to run the unity8 autopilot tests using his application lens branch.
[19:04] <elopio> veebers: I have a vague idea of how to do it, but it would be better if you tell us both how to do it.
[19:06] <jfunk> thomi, hah nice
[19:06] <veebers> right, well I would build the package and use phablet-test-run. i.e. something like: phablet-test-run -n -c <package I've built 1> -c <package built 2> unity8
[19:06] <thomi> jfunk: yeah, it's totally reproducible as well
[19:06] <veebers> that will run all the unity8 tests, make that more specific if you want to run only a subset
[19:07] <alecu> veebers: do I have to flash anything before that?
[19:08] <veebers> alecu: actually that's a good point, are you using cdimage-touch or ubuntu-image when you're flashing your device?
[19:08] <alecu> veebers: I've been using ubuntu-image, but I'm setting it readwrite and installing some deps to build my packages
[19:08] <alecu> (deps= the vala compiler, and misc libraries)
[19:09] <veebers> ah ok, so your building on the device?
[19:09] <alecu> (actually, I've been just running my code from binaries, not from actual .deb packages)
[19:09] <alecu> veebers: yes, I've been doing that so far.
[19:10] <veebers> right, well a couple of options. You could just run the autopilot tests from your source (i.e. ssh in and run the autopilot command)
[19:10] <veebers> or you could install the debs and, again, ssh in a run autopilot
[19:10] <veebers> or you could run that command I mentioned (that will work as you have your ubunutu-system set to r/w)
[19:11] <alecu> veebers: awesome. I need to be afk for an hour or so now (kindergarten run), and I'll get to do it after that
[19:11] <alecu> thanks!
[19:12] <veebers> alecu: no worries. I'll still be around then so ping me if you have any issues
[19:12] <alecu> great
[19:19] <elopio> veebers: thanks!
[19:20] <veebers> nw
[19:41] <thomi> veebers: ping?
[19:44] <veebers> thomi: pong
[19:48] <thomi> veebers: hey - you did some OSK tests to test the various input hints right? Like the numeric input hint?
[19:48] <veebers> thomi: yep
[19:48] <thomi> any chance you could send me an html file that has all the different input hints?
[19:48] <veebers> at the moment the autopilot tests aren't running for the ubuntu-keyboard, I'm currently working on fixing that
[19:49] <veebers> thomi: let me have a look
[19:49] <thomi> I'm pretty sure I've found a bug in the OSK, but I need to be able to bring up a numeric keyboard
[19:51] <veebers> thomi: ah I see, neat. I think this is what you're looking for: http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qtquickcontrols/qml-qtquick-controls1-textfield.html#inputMethodHints-prop
[19:51] <veebers> you can find an example of using it in a qml script in the ubuntu-keyboard autopilot tests
[19:52] <thomi> veebers: I was hoping for html, but that's OK
[19:52] <thomi> I can fix it
[19:52] <veebers> thomi: ah I see. Sorry, not sure about that one
[19:52] <balloons> afternoon letozaf
[19:55] <letozaf> balloons, hey
[19:56] <letozaf> balloons, I did not carry on with the sudoku app migration to emulator, because yesterday I installed ubuntu touch on a nexus 4 I bought :P
[19:56] <balloons> letozaf, oO
[19:56] <letozaf> balloons, so I was playing around with it
[19:57] <balloons> :-)
[19:57] <letozaf> balloons, well after the Ubuntu Edge thing, I couldn't wait and so ...
[19:57] <balloons> letozaf, I was just going to say. I tried the tests this afternoon as they are and got this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sudoku-app/+bug/1227340
[19:59] <letozaf> balloons, good! I mean at least I wasn't doing something wrong
[19:59] <letozaf> balloons, :P
[19:59] <letozaf> balloons, so should I wait for migrating that test or what ?
[20:00] <balloons> letozaf, lol.. I was going to ask if I could assign you the bug as well :-) It *looks* simple enough
[20:01] <balloons> but yes, I would fix the test and convert it as part of that
[20:01] <balloons> but lest I derail things too much, what did you think of ubuntu touch
[20:01] <balloons> ?
[20:03] <letozaf> balloons, oh ok :P
[20:03] <letozaf> balloons, well I like Ubuntu touch a lot,
[20:03] <letozaf> balloons, there is still a lot to work on though
[20:04] <letozaf> balloons, I was wondering if you prefer me to test on the Nexus 4 or carry on writing autopilot tests
[20:04] <letozaf> balloons, wish I could do both
[20:04] <letozaf> balloons, but haven't got enough time :P
[20:04] <balloons> letozaf, did you see this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting
[20:05] <letozaf> balloons, I saw the page but did not finish reading it, I will read it now
[20:06] <letozaf> balloons, mmm looks like it-s a lot of fun :P
[20:07] <balloons> letozaf, yes basically we're finding and reporting bugs, and then writing tests were it makes sense.. Feel free to join in however you wish.. Since you have a device, you should definitely have fun with it, but it will also make writing tests easier ;-)
[20:08] <letozaf> balloons, yes I also though that it will be easier now, if you tell me how to run them on the device :P
[20:08] <balloons> letozaf, ohh, well that's easy!
[20:08] <balloons> there are several ways to go about it, but you can run them from your desktop to a connected device via a phablet-test-run tool
[20:08] <balloons> let me see here..
[20:09] <balloons> adb shell into your phone and make sure you have what you need installed
[20:11] <letozaf> balloons, ok let me connect it to my PC
[20:11] <alecu> veebers: ping
[20:12] <alecu> veebers: I'm running the tests, after installing unity8-autopilot
[20:12] <veebers> alecu: pong
[20:12] <cgoldberg> thomi, ping.. I can add pep8 to the tox runs for AP.  where can I see what's being run now for static tests by it's CI?  is it just pep8, or anything else?
[20:12] <thomi> cgoldberg: it's just pep8. That information is stored in the cupstream config file
[20:13] <thomi> balloons: jfunk: There's a lot of bugs filed with the avengers tag. How are we handling prioritisation and escalation of those reports?
[20:13] <alecu> veebers: weird thing is that "unity8-fake-env" was installed too, and the tests used a fake camera app, and had a text watermark
[20:13] <veebers> alecu: ah right, that's part of the mocking. It's used for instance on the desktop
[20:14] <alecu> ah, great.
[20:14] <cgoldberg> thomi, ok... any interest in pyflakes or flake8 (aka, the combo) ?  while I'm in there I can add those also
[20:14] <veebers> alecu: you are wanting to run actual apps right?
[20:14] <thomi> cgoldberg: autopilot fials pyflakes - most need to be fixed, but there are some places where we fail for good reasons
[20:15] <thomi> cgoldberg: if there was a way to silence certain pyflakes errors in certain locations... that would be nice
[20:15] <thomi> cgoldberg: there's already a hook for pyfkales, so adding that would simply be a matter of changing the cupstream config
[20:15] <alecu> veebers: yes, I'd like to add tests to install some app from the click store, and run it. But that can wait, what I need to do today is run the current unity8 tests, and those seem to be working fine :-)
[20:15] <cgoldberg> thomi.. I can run it and cleanup what I can, and silence the rest.. it's pretty configurable
[20:17] <thomi> cgoldberg: well, the thing you won't be able to silence is the unused imports
[20:17] <veebers> alecu: ah ok, because I'm in the midst of landing some autopilot tests in unity8 that provide a decorator to disable that mocking for a single test
[20:17] <thomi> We have several unused imports that are there for backwards compatibility
[20:18] <veebers> ah awesome, it looks like the autolanding issues have been worked out. alecu: https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/unity8/adding-app-lifecycle-tests/+merge/185514
[20:18] <veebers> that has an example of the decorator that should be available very shortly (seeing as though it's merged)
[20:20] <slickymaster> good night all
[20:23] <alecu> veebers: looks good, thanks!
[20:35] <cgoldberg> thomi, why are the unused imports needed?
[20:35] <thomi> cgoldberg: to maintain backwards compatibility with autopilot v1.2
[20:36] <cgoldberg> ah
[20:39] <elopio> om26er: here you go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1227355
[20:39] <elopio> I'm sorry for the delay.
[20:40] <cgoldberg> thomi, so i just looked at pyflakes more.  i can't selectively ignore lines... (though I can monkey-patch it with a small wrapper script to do the job :)  but flake8 supports a "#NOQA" tag you put on the offending lines so they are skipped by pyflakes
[20:40] <om26er> elopio, cool, I'll try to talk to indicators developers about this
[20:40] <thomi> cgoldberg: that sounds like *exactly* what we need then :)
[20:41] <elopio> om26er: yes, please mark the other projects as also being affected by this bug.
[20:41] <thomi> cgoldberg: maybe work with the CI guys so we get flake8 support? We either need it in the upstream packaging code, or as a hook in the CI. I think I prefer the former, TBH
[20:41] <thomi> but we don't want to run pep8 twice
[20:43] <cgoldberg> thomi, gotcha.  what's the upstream packaging code?
[20:43] <cgoldberg> or where/who? :)
[20:43] <om26er> elopio, you were working on a branch to fix that, is that ready ? can I have a sneak peak ?
[20:43] <thomi> cgoldberg: we're upstream. "upstream packaging code" == debian/ dir in lp:autopilot
[20:43] <om26er> thomi, hey! what's the progress on Mir? landing anytime soon on the touch image ?
[20:43] <balloons> om26er, I'm confirming all your bugs :-) Anything you think is critical?
[20:44] <thomi> currently pep8 is run as a pbuilder hook, which is patched in by the CI infrastructure
[20:44] <elopio> om26er: almost https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/base_autopilot_class/+merge/185170
[20:44] <thomi> om26er: it's in the touch image already!
[20:44] <om26er> balloons, there are high priority bug but nothing critical for today
[20:44] <elopio> om26er: but it will just work for the sdk. All affected apps need to add the .desktop.
[20:44] <cgoldberg> thomi, ah.  ok.. so move pep8 invocation to our tree?
[20:45] <om26er> thomi, right, I meant landing as default.. I do run it with 'touch .display-mir'
[20:45] <thomi> I think so, especially if we can use flake8 and selectively ignore some lines
[20:45] <thomi> om26er: I see, I guess that's a question for asac or someone.
[20:45] <thomi> still need to land a few fixes yet I suppose
[20:46] <om26er> well that would have been a question for anyone present at the Mir sprint :p
[20:46] <om26er> I hear you on the needed fixes
[20:47] <thomi> however, there are *soooo* many other bugs, I think mir is the least of our worries
[20:47] <thomi> for example, I can deadlock the kernel pretty easily
[20:47] <om26er> I am not caring for Mir as in "my work" rather my curiosity for the new technology
[20:48] <thomi> yeah
[20:49] <balloons> om26er, ugh, I'm finding more bugs trying to confirm yours :-(
[20:49] <elopio> om26er: your review will be nice, even if it's still not passing on jenkins ^^
[20:50] <om26er> balloons, I found a lot of bugs today
[20:51] <om26er> balloons, report the new one's and give them to me to confirm :)
[20:51] <asac> om26er: MIR? wait till folks get closer to the end of the sprint
[20:51] <asac> then we see
[20:51] <asac> they currently work in submarine mode on stuff :)
[20:51] <om26er> elopio, I'll review that ;)
[20:51] <om26er> asac, two days, two days :)
[20:52] <asac> om26er: who knows. maybe they decide to extend the sprint for another month :)
[20:52] <asac> oh wait... we dont have that much time left :)
[20:52] <asac> hehe
[20:52] <om26er> haha
[20:52] <asac> well. i am sure they will come along
[20:52] <asac> lets just be ready when that happens
[20:53] <balloons> A LOT can happen in 2 days
[20:53] <cgoldberg> thomi, sounds good.  I can do that...  only 1 prob I see.  flake8 isn't in repos.  it's in a PPA, and on PyPI, or I can check it into a dependency branch?  Not sure  how to deal with that.   I don't know the current build system well.. any tips, or someone I should talk to?
[20:55] <thomi> cgoldberg: yeah, you'd need to package it and get it into the repo
[20:57] <cgoldberg> thomi, ok.. on my todo list.  for now I can add it to tox.  since that's only used for local testing.. it will just pull it from PyPI.  does that sound ok?
[20:57] <balloons> om26er, could we have your tool add the bug tag too?
[20:57] <balloons> I feel like there should be a way
[20:57] <om26er> balloons, I tried that but seems to be a bug in apport-cli, tags don't work
[20:57] <om26er> balloons, I tried apport-cli --tag=avengers but that does not work
[20:57] <balloons> boo..
[20:58] <balloons> shall we blame pitti ? :-)
[20:58] <om26er> probably him, or launchpad ;)
[20:59] <thomi> cgoldberg: I guess that's OK, but it'll cause issues if we ever want to use tox during the package builds... but I guess we won't want to do that
[20:59] <elopio> om26er, balloons: this might be important for you, too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1227359
[21:00] <om26er> I tried to run calendar_app testsuite under mir and the app never showed up (a few hours ago)
[21:00] <om26er> elopio, ^ that could be related ?
[21:01] <balloons> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1227361
[21:01] <elopio> om26er: yes. I think the calendar is missing the desktop file. It's launched by a script that doesn't pass the desktop_file_hint argument.
[21:02] <elopio> om26er: on the tests, do we need to unlock the greeter?
[21:03] <om26er> elopio, yes we need to do that
[21:03] <elopio> uitk is certainly not doing that.
[21:03] <elopio> agh, I hate this branch so much. It started being a lovely clean up.
[21:04] <om26er> elopio, that needs more thinking, you would need to restart unity8 before unlocking since you cannot talk to unity8
[21:04] <om26er> and restarting unity8 is not a good thing as of now as that causes focus problems for apps
[21:04] <elopio> om26er: how was this working before?
[21:05] <om26er> elopio, you unlock the screen by hand. and in the upstream merger I have a script to unlock
[21:05] <balloons> man, launchpad is timing out this afternoon on page loads :-(
[21:05] <elopio> om26er: ah, so it will not fail thanks to your script, that's what I wanted to know :)
[21:06] <om26er> balloons, that worked for me :/ I don't think we need to click the first button because there is a field for mobile number already
[21:06] <om26er> that plus button is supposed to give us an option to add a second number
[21:06] <om26er> elopio, yeah
[21:07] <balloons> om26er, feel free to add 'touch-needs-autopilot' as needed to these bugs.. lots of these shuld be easy tests
[21:08] <om26er> balloons, sure
[21:08] <om26er> balloons, fwiw, adding a new contact screen is too complex and something that needs fixing
[21:15] <elopio> om26er: tests are passing! So, ready for review now. Please leave your vote.
[21:16] <om26er> elopio, i'll do that after the update-meeting, if thats fine ?
[21:16] <elopio> om26er: sure, no hurries. I'll need an approval from the sdk team to merge, and they are already gone.
[21:35] <jfunk> ping cgoldberg - check ##qa
[21:42] <om26er> balloons, ping
[21:42] <om26er> balloons, re bug 1226995
[21:42] <balloons> om26er, pong
[21:42] <balloons> om26er, ohh yes
[21:42] <om26er> is that with demo active ?
[21:42] <om26er> mterry wants to know
[21:42] <balloons> om26er, no the demo is not active
[21:43] <om26er> balloons, can you hop into #ubuntu-unity
[21:43] <balloons> it's really easy to see.. something funny is going on
[22:07] <balloons> ping om26er
[22:07] <om26er> balloons, hey
[22:07] <balloons> does the browser work for you?
[22:07] <balloons> it doesn't work for me on the 9/17 or 9/18 image
[22:08] <om26er> balloons, sure, it seems to be
[22:08] <om26er> balloons, I have the latest image ("blessed")
[22:09] <balloons> well I'm doing updates via the system.. sigh, I wonder if my phone isn't right then
[22:09] <balloons> I believe the issue I was seing with jibel's bug was due to the browser having crashed
[22:09] <balloons> aka this bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1226995
[22:09] <om26er> elopio, on which image did you run those tests?
[22:09] <om26er> was that from cdimage ?
[22:10] <elopio> om26er: today's make flashed with ubuntu-system, then made writable.
[22:10] <om26er> elopio, try this test ubuntuuitoolkit.tests.gallery.test_gallery.GenericTests.test_progress_and_activity
[22:10] <elopio> s/make/mako
[22:11] <elopio> om26er: sure.
[22:11] <om26er> elopio, it does not bring up the sample window rather clicks inside unity8 and opens an app
[22:11] <elopio> Ran 1 test in 12.631s
[22:11] <elopio> OK
[22:11] <om26er> elopio, hm, for me it does something different
[22:11]  * om26er reboot
[22:12] <elopio> om26er: I'm running it from source.
[22:12] <om26er> elopio, did you run the whole suite at once ?
[22:12] <om26er> elopio, I am running the installled package
[22:12] <om26er> debs
[22:12] <elopio> om26er: the installed package doesn't have my fix.
[22:12] <om26er> elopio, aah, why  not  ?
[22:13] <elopio> om26er: did you build the deb from source?
[22:13] <om26er> elopio, I got these debs from your MR http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-saucy-armhf/1141/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip
[22:13] <om26er> extracted them and pushed to the phone, and installed there
[22:13] <elopio> om26er: latest jenkins run was for rev 768
[22:14] <elopio> we need it to get rev 771
[22:14] <om26er> elopio, ok, I guess jenkins is building it right now, once it does I'll pick that again
[22:14] <elopio> on 768 it failed because of bug #1227359
[22:14] <elopio> om26er: yes, thank you.
[22:14] <elopio> let me know how it goes.
[22:15] <elopio> I'm going to get some rest, but I'll be back in ~1 hour.
[22:15] <om26er> elopio, I have the debs now, downloading them
[22:18] <om26er> elopio, that test is working now. running the whole suite just to be sure. code looks fine
[22:18] <elopio> om26er: \o/
[22:25] <om26er> elopio, 1 test failed http://paste.ubuntu.com/6125902/
[22:26] <elopio> of course, I only tested that one on the desktop :)
[22:27] <om26er> elopio, how about 'from testtools import skipIf'
[22:27] <om26er> and use skipIf as a decorator to skip
[22:27] <om26er> won't fail the test that way
[22:28] <elopio> om26er: no, take a look here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/base_autopilot_class/revision/773
[22:28] <elopio> when you instantiate a test case, you need to pass the name of a method to run.
[22:30] <elopio> about using the skipIf from testtools, you are right.
[22:30] <elopio> I'll get one less import. Changing...
[22:32] <elopio> now I'm leaving for real. I hope to get good and green news from jenkins when I'm back.
[22:33] <elopio> thanks om26er.
[22:33] <om26er> elopio, bye. jenkins will never go green with one failing test I would say
[22:33] <om26er> so you need to find a way for it to not show a failure
[22:33] <elopio> om26er: I already pushed a fix.
[22:35] <om26er> cool


[11:13] <jaco> Howdy
[11:13] <cfhowlett> jaco, greetings
[11:13] <jaco> Hey there. I am switching from Xubuntu to Ubuntu Studio.
[11:14] <cfhowlett> jaco, OK
[11:14] <jaco> Can I get my XFCE shortcuts back? I just want <Super> T to get me a terminal again.
[11:15] <cfhowlett> jaco, you can edit your keybindings I suppose
[11:15] <jaco> OK -- sorry, they were built in on Xubuntu -- not sure how to recreate that here.
[11:16] <cfhowlett> !keybindings
[11:16] <cfhowlett> !key
[11:16] <cfhowlett> errr I don't know the ubottu search term
[11:16] <jaco> yeah, I'm kind of drifting around in the wilderness here.
[11:17] <jaco> I guess I'll google ubottu then . . . thanx.
[11:18] <cfhowlett> jaco, my connect is slow - china.  terms you want to search are keybinding + xubuntu
[11:18] <jaco> Kthx!
[11:18] <cfhowlett> jaco, also #xfce would know
[11:20] <jaco> Muito Obrigado.
[11:20] <cfhowlett> The configured keyboard shortcuts are stored in : ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[11:20] <jaco> Awesome! Config files. Totally old school.
[11:27] <jaco> I
[11:27] <jaco> will
[11:27] <jaco> check out #xfce. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.


[00:11] <snap-l> seriously?
[00:12] <Blazeix> i don't know about you guys, but the "verified secure" with the reflection photoshop filter convinced me fo' sures
[00:12] <rick_h> hah
[00:13] <snap-l> They don't use https either
[00:13] <snap-l> FAIL
[00:14] <snap-l> http://ismycreditcardstolen.com/check.html?
[00:14] <snap-l> I typed in all 0s just to see what would happen
[00:14] <rick_h> bah, backup drive is running out of space...
[00:15] <snap-l> I lvoe how I have to essentiall agree to Oracle's stupid license every time I upgrade Virtualbox
[00:35] <rick_h> go gigabit networking!
[00:35] <rick_h> now if only I could get a usb disk of the beta working I'd be set for reinstall tomorrow
[00:50] <Blazeix> rick_h: i'm installing the ubuntu beta off of usb right now. you mean getting the iso on a flash drive?
[00:56] <Blazeix> i just used `dd if=precise-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb`
[00:56] <Blazeix> of course, don't just use "/dev/sdb" :)
[01:23] <rick_h> Blazeix: ah, I'll hvae to try that then. I've only used the usb-creator bu tit hates me
[01:23] <rick_h> bah, hard to time with laggy nets
[02:17] <Blazeix> ok, I give up. I consider myself a fairly competent linux user, but I cannot figure out how to install gtk themes in unity
[02:18] <Blazeix> i copy the theme to /usr/share/themes/ , but it doesn't show up in ubuntu's 'appearance' settings
[02:18] <rick_h> anyone have anything bad to say on samsung HD? Seems rated highly of the bunch
[02:19] <rick_h> Blazeix: probably need some gconf setting
[02:20] <Blazeix> yikes, really? you're locked into the two themes ubuntu provides?
[02:20] <Blazeix> well, for certain values of "locked"
[02:20] <rick_h> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlcMxoErfz8 is a bit crazy but says to drop them in .themes
[02:21] <Blazeix> oh, you have to install gnome-tweak-tool
[02:21] <Blazeix> I thought that was a gnome-shell thing only
[02:23] <rick_h> bah, ok nas ordered...will finally be backup happy hopefully
[03:13] <Blazeix> ok, 'myunity' is an awesome program for configuring unity.
[03:13] <Blazeix> still no love for gtk3 themes, but most of them seem broken for 12.04 anyway. but it's beta, so it's expected.
[11:01] <rick_h> morning
[12:25] <brousch> there is an ad embedded in a slashdot article in my RSS feed. it says "Earn a bible Degree!"
[12:29] <snap-l> brousch: Targeted
[12:29] <rick_h> keep meaning to go back to school
[12:30] <brousch> it just seems really strange. i mean, how many slashdotters would have an interest in a bible degree?
[12:33] <snap-l> brousch: I think you might be surprised
[12:33] <brousch> i can recall a handful of pro-religeon comments on there in the last decade
[12:33] <brousch> not that i read all of the comments
[12:34] <brousch> i guess they could get downvoted below my threshold
[12:39] <snap-l> Note to self: when wife has to go to work, it is best to set the coffeepot the night before when you don't.
[12:40] <snap-l> brousch: Yo could also have extremely high mental filters for religion
[12:40] <snap-l> being in the heart of Michigan's Bible Belt.
[12:40] <snap-l> And don't deny it. Holland has more churches than 7-11s
[12:42] <brousch> i am quite sensitive to it
[12:42] <brousch> being an atheist in Michigan's Bible Belt
[12:44] <brousch> ah, crap. the local star wars guild is going to be at the GR public library tomorrow. i was hoping we could get in without a crowd. apparently they had a segment on the news last night
[12:44] <brousch> now it will be a zoo
[12:44] <rick_h> star wars guild?
[12:44] <snap-l> brousch: context?
[12:45] <brousch> there are star wars guilds where members have authenitic-looking costumes. they go to parades and events and such
[12:45] <brousch> they are having an event at the GRPL tomorrow
[12:45] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[12:46] <snap-l> Sadly, if you had called it the 501st battalion, I think I might have known
[12:46] <brousch> heh
[12:46] <brousch> i forgot the number
[12:46] <snap-l> http://www.501st.com/about_us.htm
[12:48] <snap-l> http://www.greatlakesgarrison.com/
[12:48] <snap-l> Their logo is awesome
[12:49] <brousch> yeah, that's how i found the event
[12:49] <brousch> so i kept quiet so it wouldn't draw a crowd
[12:49] <snap-l> brousch: I'm pretty sure it won't have that big of a crowd
[12:49] <snap-l> trust me on this
[12:50] <brousch> they had a star wars night at a hockey game
[12:50] <brousch> it was busy
[12:50] <snap-l> That's because it was a hockey game
[12:51] <brousch> oh, the GRPL is about 200ft from the GR children's museum
[12:51] <brousch> so that will draw snot-nosed crowds
[13:49] <jrwren> TIL: http://giagio.com/wiki/moin.cgi/iPhoneEthernetDriver
[14:09] <jrwren>  TIL: http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ is not vserver but more like inverse vserver
[14:10] <rick_h> heh, interesting
[15:07] <jrwren> https://gist.github.com/2320652  :[
[15:08] <brousch> that doesn't look good
[15:10] <jrwren> my disk failing
[15:11] <jrwren> i htink its been happening for a yr now :(
[15:11] <jrwren> maybe longer.
[15:11] <jrwren> i wonder if i have logs going back that far.
[15:11] <jrwren> probably not. logrotate delets.
[15:11] <brousch> what log is that?
[15:19] <jrwren> syslog
[15:19] <jrwren> but its from kernel :(
[15:19] <jrwren> dmesg even
[15:22] <jrwren> <3 tmux break-pain and jion-pain ftw
[15:23] <rick_h> pane?
[15:24] <rick_h> or is it painful?
[15:25] <brousch> joint pain? there's a salve for that
[15:32] <jrwren> yes, pane, lol.
[15:47] <rick_h> wheee, reinstall time...reinstall time...download all those packages
[15:48] <rick_h> at least now I'm building a makefile from my install docs so the number of commands is getting fewer and fewer
[15:48] <rick_h> ugh, this 620Kb/s download is not optimal
[15:49] <jrwren> i was listening to ruby5 today
[15:50] <jrwren> it occured to me that the asset pipeline is nice and that I'd like a django equiv. anyone know of one?
[15:50] <jrwren> or if there is a pyramid one, lemme know so I can port to django
[15:50] <brousch> asset pipeline?
[15:52] <jrwren> http://guides.rubyonrails.org/asset_pipeline.html
[15:53] <rick_h> yea, there's a django one
[15:53] <rick_h> sec, trying to recall, written by jriddel I think
[15:54] <jrwren> django-pipeline ?
[15:54] <rick_h> sorry, jezdez https://github.com/jezdez/django_compressor is what I'm thinking of
[15:54] <rick_h> not completely the same
[15:54] <jrwren> django-pipeline looks good on 10-sec inspection
[15:56] <rick_h> cool
[16:25] <greg-g> snap-l: good choice on archive.org hosting
[16:35] <jrwren> snap-l: do you like epics?
[16:36] <jrwren> err..
[16:36] <jrwren> Epica
[16:36] <jrwren> http://www.progpowerusa.com/  <-- they are coming to US
[16:36] <jrwren> but I don't know if I want to go to taht.
[17:30] <jcastro> rick_h: what you don't have a local proxy to cache your debs?
[17:30] <jcastro> SUCK
[17:31] <jrwren> not sure why anyone would ever full reinstall.
[17:31] <jrwren> upgrade FTW
[17:31] <jrwren> :)
[17:31] <jcastro> spend some time helping plumbing developers find bugs and sometimes things just go bad.
[17:31] <jcastro> but for that I have different "levels" of computers
[17:32] <rick_h> jcastro: no, I should at some point
[17:32] <rick_h> jrwren: I consider it cleaning time, get to dump projects I've checked out and not gone with, apps I've tested, etc
[17:32] <rick_h> 323790
[17:32] <jrwren> rm -rf does that for me.
[17:32] <rick_h> jcastro: I do have a local pypi server for my python stuff though :)
[17:32] <jrwren> or actually... i never do that :)
[17:33] <jrwren> I have built deb srcs from 5+ yrs ago in my homedir, LOL
[17:33] <rick_h> and each install my install process gets better and better
[17:33] <rick_h> yea, I dont care for that
[17:33] <rick_h> and the couple of times I've tried upgrades...ugh
[17:33] <rick_h> with the new makefile 80% of the install is a make command away and an hour/two of download/installing
[17:34] <jcastro> tldr, squid-deb-proxy on one machine, whatever server in your house
[17:34] <jcastro> squid-deb-proxy-client on all your clients
[17:34] <jcastro> done, all zeroconffed automatically
[17:34] <jrwren> *nod*
[17:34] <rick_h> jcastro: cool, will have to look at that.
[17:34] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/3503/best-way-to-cache-apt-downloads-on-a-lan
[17:34] <jcastro> easy
[17:34] <jrwren> i just need squid-deb-proxy-client to be default on install :)
[17:34] <jcastro> me too. :)
[17:36] <jcastro> rick_h: here's my set up: https://plus.google.com/photos/116015965439782966698/albums/5151703723278681249/5719925524677009570
[17:36] <rick_h> heh, just a few machines eh?
[17:36] <jcastro> I suspect you're similar
[17:36] <rick_h> jcastro: you have a nas?
[17:37] <jcastro> not in the pic
[17:37] <rick_h> jcastro: meh, down to desktop, laptop, netbook 'server' and soon to be nas
[17:37] <jcastro> but yeah, 6tb ubuntu server w/NFS/SMB
[17:37] <dzho> jcastro: so you work standing at the "everyday" stations?
[17:37] <rick_h> the nas conversation at work finally got me to order one
[17:37] <jrwren> i should take a pic of my setup.
[17:37] <jrwren> cuz its so tiny
[17:37] <jcastro> dzho: I just took down the standing thing actually
[17:37] <dzho> huh
[17:37] <jcastro> it was causing me mild sciatica
[17:38] <jcastro> which I am finishing up physical therapy for today
[17:38] <jrwren> ?
[17:38] <jcastro> basically I went full time standing too early
[17:38] <rick_h> jcastro: motorized ftw
[17:38] <dzho> on my list of very low priority things would be to get some sort of spring-loaded adjustable workstand
[17:38] <jrwren> i miss my standing desk.
[17:38] <rick_h> I go back/forth twice a day
[17:38] <jcastro> and my beer belly + lack of muscles in back = bummer
[17:38] <jrwren> new job is all sitting
[17:38] <rick_h> and can do more/less as I feel that day
[17:38] <jcastro> yeah, I need a motorized one
[17:38] <jrwren> but we do have treadmill workstations
[17:38] <dzho> jcastro: too early, as in, you need to lose some weight and gain some strength first?
[17:39] <dzho> or, too young?
[17:39] <rick_h> it takes time to adjust
[17:39]  * dzho scratches his head
[17:39] <rick_h> when I started I'd only do 2hrs standing a day
[17:39] <rick_h> and worked up to 50/50 split
[17:39] <jcastro> dzho: ^^^ that
[17:39]  * dzho reads with interest
[17:39] <jcastro> basically, I should have had more part time standing
[17:39] <jcastro> as opposed to "oh I think I'll start off with my 12 hour days standing up."
[17:39] <dzho> ah
[17:39] <jcastro> "lol why is my back messed up!?!?"
[17:39] <rick_h> jcastro: I started out hitting the tall tables at the coffee shop to start
[17:39] <rick_h> doing an hour there
[17:39] <jcastro> indeed
[17:40] <dzho> this is giving me an idea
[17:40] <jrwren> i adjusted pretty quick.
[17:40] <jrwren> first 2 weeks my legs and feet were TIRED
[17:40] <dzho> there's a coffee place across the quad that has a high counter
[17:40] <jrwren> but after taht I was fine.
[17:40] <jcastro> jrwren: yeah I think if I would have done more ramp up I would have been fine
[17:40] <jcastro> I plan on going back to it
[17:40] <jcastro> just going to chill for a bit on my butt for a while though
[17:40]  * dzho wonders about getting a floor mat that could be rolled up, a little like you see folks carrying around their yoga mats
[17:41] <dzho> my current changearound is to use the kneeling chair a little bit
[18:29] <snap-l> greg-g: Thanks. I think it's going to work out
[18:37] <snap-l> jrwren: Haven't listened to a lot of Epica.
[18:43] <snap-l> I should really get a NAS
[18:43] <snap-l> though my desktop is pretty much my NAS
[18:46] <rick_h> yea, I kept putting it off, but my external usb disks are runningout of space, had to do some cleaning up to do my backup for this fresh install
[18:46] <rick_h> so figured I either need to get bigger disks or break down and NAS it up
[18:46] <rick_h> and if I do the NAS it supports some better auto backup stuff
[18:48]  * brousch is a little afraid of how far rick_h will take his NAS
[18:57] <rick_h> well it does have a web server in it, so think I'll work on pushing my rst docs to it in html form :)
[18:58] <rick_h> but I'm proud, I didn't get the 4 disk super NAS I originally was looking at
[18:58] <rick_h> could buy a laptop for as much as the things run
[18:58] <snap-l> rick_h: I'm surprised you weren't getting a Drobo. ;)
[18:58] <rick_h> drobos suck
[18:58] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/Qnap-Network-Storage-Server-TS-419PII-US/dp/B005PP8J76/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1333738721&sr=8-5
[18:58] <rick_h> is what I originally wanted
[18:59] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskStation-Diskless-Attached-DS411J/dp/B0049MPQGS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1333738713&sr=8-2 was tempting
[18:59]  * snap-l wold hate to be in the same room with rick_h  and Mac Break Weekly hosts.
[18:59] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/Synology-DiskStation-Diskless-Network-Attached/dp/B005YW7OLM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1333738767&sr=1-1 I settled for
[18:59] <rick_h> why is this? what does mac break weekly folks say?
[19:00] <snap-l> They like their Drobos, they love their macs.
[19:00] <snap-l> It's like the Anti-rick_h
[19:00] <rick_h> well they're idiots. Lots of documented issues with the drobo special file system. Performance goes to shit, lose data...I don't know how they're still in business
[19:01] <rick_h> get a box with a real FS and real raid
[19:01] <brousch> i was expecting a full rack full of disks and a 24 hour UPS
[19:02] <rick_h> brousch: yea, no so much
[19:02] <rick_h> want osmehting I can put on the rack shelf and be small/not deal with
[19:02] <brousch> do it right!
[19:03]  * snap-l is surprised you didn't build one from scratch
[19:03] <brousch> what's the utility to find the fastest repo mirror?
[19:04] <rick_h> snap-l: I've done that before, it's why I have that desktop. I was setting up 4 sata disks in software raid
[19:04] <rick_h> but doing software upgades, etc main it a pain to maintain
[19:04] <rick_h> that and issues getting boot right with 6 sata devices and moving /dev/sdX
[19:05] <rick_h> but really, search drobo file corruption and enjoy your afternoon
[19:12] <jcastro> brousch: http://askubuntu.com/questions/39922/how-do-you-select-the-fastest-mirror-from-the-command-line
[19:12] <jcastro> brousch: for the desktop it's in the software sources thing
[19:12] <jcastro> rick_h: I want that nice synology or qnap next
[19:12] <brousch> jcastro: thanks. it's a question on the GRLUG mailing list
[19:12] <jcastro> the drobos fail at pretty common tasks, they suck
[19:13] <jcastro> brousch: add this one then: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me
[19:13] <greg-g> yeah, roommate has a drobo, it sucks
[19:14] <greg-g> so. slow.
[19:14] <jcastro> you can't even like, stream a movie on it over gigabit
[19:14] <jcastro> it's like, half the reason for getting a NAS
[19:38] <snap-l> Yeah, actually I wouldn't get a Drobo
[19:38] <snap-l> I was just kidding
[19:44] <jrwren> snap-l: you should not get a NAS
[19:44] <jrwren> certainly not a Qnap
[19:44] <jrwren> synology is OK
[19:45] <jrwren> Drobos are absolute shit.
[19:45] <jrwren> Drobos can't even push 1Gbit. they are useless for any real work.
[19:45] <jrwren> drobo is still in business because of lots of advertising :)
[19:46]  * jrwren finishes reading backlog before repeating everything rick_h says
[19:48] <greg-g> jrwren: almost too late
[19:49] <jrwren> disagree with rich_h about maintenance though.
[19:49] <jrwren> sudo apt-get install unattended-upgrades
[19:49] <jrwren> done
[19:56] <greg-g> do any of those nas's allow you to add on external storage via usb/sata?
[19:56] <greg-g> it isn't apparent via amazon
[19:57] <rick_h> greg-g: yes, the synology has usb and esata out I think
[19:57]  * greg-g is on call, sorry for lazyirc
[20:03] <snap-l> lazy IRC
[20:04] <jrwren> I like to run my own linux on my homebuilt nas for the same reason I like to run linux on my server and not buy some server appliance: at some point I'm going to want to do something with it that the vendor does not support or enable.
[20:05] <rick_h> yea, but I want to split up my backups/critical stuff vs real server stuff. I've got servers for running that
[20:08] <greg-g> but real servers on the same lan?
[20:10] <rick_h> well I've got my desktop and my netbook running server stuff
[20:11] <rick_h> so my netbook is my pypi cache, desktop runs a couple of things
[20:11] <rick_h> but I've got 2 ec2 servers that bookie and such runs on that I setup real server things
[20:11] <rick_h> so really, I just want a better/more powerful usb storage and the nas fits that better
[20:13] <rick_h> though I should just shutdown and give away the netbook
[20:27] <jrwren> yup
[20:27] <jrwren> i run everything on 1 server.
[20:27] <jrwren> but I gess I'm ghetto like that
[20:30] <jrwren> date +%s
[20:30] <jrwren> we are at 13337..... seconds for a while longer
[20:32] <greg-g> nice
[20:46] <brousch> ok, this is col http://dl.dropbox.com/u/40496552/awwation-intro.svg#19
[20:51] <greg-g> not working here
[20:53] <brousch> get a real browser
[20:56] <jrwren> how can I zoom out?
[20:57] <jrwren> oh, enable script
[21:00] <greg-g> brousch: Fx 13 not good enough for you?
[21:00] <brousch> Chrome is the only real browser
[21:00] <greg-g> fuck that
[21:00] <jrwren> i'm on fx13, it worked perfectly
[21:00] <greg-g> sorry, I reserve my comments on Chrome since I know many of you in here are Chrome fanbois
[21:00] <greg-g> jrwren: huh, werid
[21:00] <jrwren> 13.0a2 (2012-04-05)
[21:00] <greg-g> must just be me :)
[21:01] <greg-g> 13.0a2 (2012-03-30)
[21:01] <greg-g> I guess I'm 6 days behind
[21:01] <jrwren> i don't think that is the reason
[21:02] <greg-g> :)
[21:02] <greg-g> me neither
[21:02] <brousch> :P
[21:03] <brousch> i'm really neutral on FF or Chrome. i use chrome more frequently because i have more reliable bookmark sync on it
[21:04] <jrwren> FF > Chrome because it does not ship with flash
[21:04] <jcastro> Chrome here, but trying to come back to FF due to chrome being buggier for me lately
[21:04] <greg-g> also, from what Tom Calloway (at RH/Fedora) says Chromium also ships with crap tons of modified libraries in the tarball
[21:05] <greg-g> he hates "packagin" it
[21:05] <jcastro> Well, I said Chrome not Chromium. :)
[21:05] <jcastro> "Chromium" isn't really an end product
[21:05] <jcastro> they don't release tarballs or anything like that
[21:06] <greg-g> what is the diff, really, between chrome/chromium?
[21:06] <jcastro> people just grab the branch the last stable chrome released from
[21:06] <jrwren> wtf, osx lion support dyndns OOTB. that is werid
[21:06] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/6253/whats-the-difference-between-google-chrome-and-or-chromium-what-are-the-advant
[21:06] <jcastro> greg-g: I hope that's enough detail for you, it's one of my awesomest answers
[21:07] <jrwren> modified libraries?
[21:07] <jrwren> as in THEIR version of libpng? etc?
[21:08] <greg-g> jrwren: well, with patchs not sent/incorporated upstream, yeah
[21:08] <greg-g> not all libraries, but some aparently
[21:09] <jrwren> right.
[21:09] <jrwren> jcastro: why aren't you in the list? http://askubuntu.com/users ?
[21:09] <jrwren> you'd be #2
[21:09] <jcastro> jrwren: click on "All"
[21:09] <jrwren> oh nevermind. I was on WEEK instad of ALL
[21:09] <jcastro> I am 7th now, but that's because I usually bounty most of my rep
[21:09] <greg-g> he is, search for "jorge"
[21:09] <greg-g> -607
[21:10] <jcastro> heh
[21:10] <jrwren> oh i was on YEAR
[21:10] <jcastro> it's harder to give it away than to earn it surprisingly
[21:10] <jcastro> but I dominate on badges
[21:10] <jcastro> 30 gold baby
[21:10] <jjesse> how much time a day do you spend there?
[21:10] <jcastro> only  like 95 less than jon skeet
[21:11] <jcastro> jjesse: not as much anymore, but most of last cycle, an hour before work, most of lunch, and an hour after work
[21:11] <jcastro> + whenever jill worked late, so ..... a lot.
[21:11] <jjesse> wow
[21:11] <jrwren> you ARE the Jon Skeet of askubuntu :)
[21:12] <jcastro> skeet is not human
[21:12] <jcastro> he's geometrically more productive
[21:12] <jrwren> yes
[21:12] <jjesse> sorry dumb question who is jon skeet?
[21:12] <jrwren> although I suggest that skeet's expertise is thinner.
[21:12] <jrwren> C# is a much smaller topic than all of ubuntu
[21:13] <jrwren> even C# and .NET is a much smaller subject than everything that could come up on askubuntu
[21:13] <jrwren> jjesse: jon skeet is the stackoverflow user with the highest rep.
[21:13] <jrwren> he is also author of one of the best C# books out there.
[21:13] <jcastro> most of my stuff comes from edits though
[21:13] <jcastro> I don't earn rep for answers that much compared to most.
[21:14] <jcastro> I just usually keep improving an answer over time until it's decent
[21:14] <jcastro> like that Chrome one was done over time, etc.
[21:14] <jjesse> wow 425k?
[21:16] <jrwren> he also joined at the very beginning and never really took a break.
[21:16] <jrwren> so that is waht? 6 yrs?
[21:16] <jcastro> yeah
[21:16] <jjesse> wow
[21:16] <jcastro> and he literally wrote the book on C#
[21:17] <jrwren> nah, A book.
[21:17] <jrwren> not THE book
[21:17] <jcastro> heh
[21:17] <jrwren> Mads Torgensen wrote THE book
[21:17] <jrwren> and by "The Book" I mean the C# Language Specification
[21:17] <jcastro> still though, SO dwarfs everything: http://stackexchange.com/sites#traffic
[21:17] <jrwren> yup
[21:17] <jcastro> though we were head of Gaming in traffic until they started running a contest
[21:18] <jcastro> we passed serverfault trafficwise last release, so I am hoping we can pass them and stay past them with 12.04
[21:18] <jrwren> i'm surprised they are that big.
[21:18] <jcastro> it's a good site, lots of questions with games
[21:19] <jcastro> "what's the purpose of the blue thing on this level?" etc.
[21:24] <jrwren> http://askubuntu.com/questions/119534/easiest-way-to-setup-ubuntu-as-a-vpn-server/119545#119545   you've got me answering questions now :p
[21:25] <jrwren> i mean I'm surprised that ALL those sites are that big. askubuntu, serverfault, superuser.  They all seem to dwarf stackoverflow, but in that graphic it looked like they were not much smaller.
[21:25] <jrwren> maybe its a logrithmic scale infograph :p
[21:41] <jrwren> curse you jorge... i'm wasting my time on askubuntu! http://askubuntu.com/questions/118291/ubuntu-kvm-networking/119549#119549
[21:48] <snap-l> now if it only interfaced with my launchpad karma. ;)
[21:51] <greg-g> answers.launchpad.net should just redirect to askubuntu
[21:55] <snap-l> Yes


[08:56] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Poverty Day and, of course, happy Ubuntu 13.10 Release Day! :-D
[17:57] <atomhund> Does Ubuntu One support importing CSV-contacts yet? I don't have any Google contacts and I don't want Google to have them either
[17:59] <atomhund> I assume Ubuntu has a better privacy policy than google.. and hope it stays that way
[18:01] <dobey> i don't think so. beuno ^^ do you know?
[18:13] <beuno> atomhund, we don't have importing at the moment, no
[18:13] <atomhund> in the UT-wiki it says I Can import CSVs... but from what I've read the script for importing has been removed
[18:14] <atomhund> Ok.
[18:14] <atomhund> I can live with that, for a while.
[18:15] <dobey> UT wiki?
[18:16] <dobey> Ubuntu Touch does not currently store contacts on Ubuntu One, so importing them onto a device running Ubuntu Touch won't get them into Ubuntu One either
[18:16] <atomhund> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[18:17] <atomhund> "Alternatively you can import contacts from a csv file. The csv file should be in same format as /usr/share/demo-assets/contacts-data/data.csv. Replace the sample data.csv file with your own version and run manage-address-books.py create to import your contacts."
[18:17] <atomhund> pasted
[18:18] <dobey> yes. that is not ubuntu one. if you want help with ubuntu touch, then #ubuntu-touch is where to go :)
[18:23] <atomhund> Sorry about that. I might have misunderstood something on my way in here..  I thought someone at #ubuntu-touch mentioned that I can add Google contacts into Ubuntu One.... Just like on OwnCloud.
[18:28] <atomhund> thanks for helping. I'll keep pondering...


[13:42] <silver_m> hi
[13:42] <silver_m> does anyone uses compton with plank together?
[13:44] <silver_m> I want  to make plank to have transparent background
[13:44] <silver_m> and I use plank and compton togeter, however the background of plank does not become transparent?
[13:45] <silver_m> why?
[15:30] <derich> dear lubuntu artwork team, there is a bug in lubuntu 15.04 if i change in pcmanfm (1.2.3) the kind of addressbar from location to buttons then the background has an ugly different gray tone
[15:35] <holstein> !bug
[15:35] <holstein> though, "ugly" may fall under more of a wishlist bug..
[17:10] <derich> holstein, how long do you think would it take to fix this bug?
[17:20] <holstein> derich: well, i think filing it would be a good start, but, if its just a wish list, then, maybe it wont be addressed
[17:22] <krytarik> derich: Should attach a screenshot, btw.
[17:28] <derich> ok good idea, and I don't think its a wish, it's not like a missing feature, its like a bug in an existing one
[17:34] <krytarik> derich: It's literally 'lubuntu-artwork', btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork/+filebug
[19:11] <derich> ok bug report is sent
[19:20] <krytarik> derich: Thanks.
[19:21] <krytarik> LP bug 1481454.
[19:22] <krytarik> Ah, I see.
[19:25] <djt> Hi, is there any french support for lubuntu please?
[19:43] <derich> krytarik, its everything ok with the report or did i something not so good? :)
[19:45] <krytarik> derich: No, generally fine. :)
[20:26] <klux> Why is the mouse stop working sometimes with 14.04.2 ? I read peoples have these problems with USB mouse but i am using the mousepad.
[20:27] <holstein> not sure.. i would try and isolate out the potential issues.. i would try the hardware with a supported OS, or the live iso that i know the hardware suppported
[20:27] <holstein> if you have a USB mouse, you can see if its the cursor, machine, or  just the actual physical mouse
[20:29] <ianorlyn> klux, is this a live session?
[20:29] <holstein> good point ^
[20:29] <ianorlyn> I also have had usb mice die on me
[20:29] <holstein> live, it could be laggy-ish
[20:29] <klux> Live session ?
[20:29] <ianorlyn> also it could be an autosuspend problem if you left it
[20:30] <ianorlyn> live session meaning booted from cd or usb and running the os off that
[20:31] <klux> I think it is the cursor the software. i dont have any usb mouse with em to test now. but i read others have this problem sometimes. I have installed lubuntu on a netbook ssd.
[20:31] <holstein> klux: no need to assume that, though
[20:32] <holstein> if its "the cursor software", then, *any* mouse will do it.. but, you would think it would happen with others, as well.. so, that may not be the case
[20:32] <holstein> could be, something with the drivers for the GPU, could be simply lag.. could be failling hardware.. when did you install what? lubuntu 15.04? just now?
[20:34] <klux> I am using 14.04.2. It happens randoms. mostly the mousepad is working. have to restart or something to make it work again. ctrl+alt+del is working strange in 14.04 also.
[20:35] <klux> I found this, but i am not sure it is any help. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2274806
[20:37] <holstein> i have a setup like that, here
[20:38] <holstein> if i get the pad wet, after washing my hands for example.. the pad take a lot of time to recover
[20:38] <holstein> and i'll have to reboot, sometimes.. that was the case under windows, AFAIK..
[20:48] <klux> maybe this is not in 15.04.. i used 14.04 becaus i get a new firefox for years.
[21:00] <klux> holstein: my mousepad is not wet and it is not lag when the mouse is freezing. The hardware is good. so it must be in the software.