[00:02] <descent> i think shotwell will
[00:10] <RoadRunner> how to upgrade from Xubuntu 20.04 to 22.04?
[00:12] <RoadRunner> the option for notification of lts upgrades is checked in software updates but no update is offered
[00:14] <Unit193> The LTS jump is usually offered on the first point release.
[00:59] <RoadRunner> is there a way to trigger the LTS jump (a specific command perhaps)?
[01:11] <ravage> RoadRunner, do-release-upgrade -d
[01:13] <RoadRunner> ravage: can't seem to look up this command in man
[01:13] <RoadRunner> no need to specify the number of the release? and what does the -d switch do?
[01:14] <ravage> it will tell you the release. it should be jammy
[01:14] <ravage> d is usually developent
[01:17] <RoadRunner> so 22.04 is still considered 'in development' rather than 'stable'?
[01:20] <ravage> it is stable. just upgrades from 20.04 are not open for public yet
[01:22] <RoadRunner> do you know what the delay is due to (if it was released in April...)?
[01:27] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: Upgrade path opens up with the 22.04.1 release - as is usuaual with the LTS releases.
[01:29] <RoadRunner> Bashing-om: if the .1 release is the last chance to pick up bad bugs, do you know when the .1 release is expected then?
[01:36] <tannera> RoaadRunner, someone here said .1 is slaated for August
[01:40] <Thermoriax> ravage: Ah, thanks for mentioning that, I was sort of quietly wondering why I hadn't been offered an upgrade. Heh, I assumed I borked something somewhere.
[01:42] <RoadRunner> so, from April to August is 4 month, is this a typical schedule for finalizing an LTS or is it taking longer due to Covid, etc?
[01:47] <Bashing-om> RoadRunner: 4 months cadens is nornal; 22.04.01 >> Expected: 2022-08-04 -- See: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-22.04.1 .
[01:48] <torniq> which is the best file system type for postgresql now adays?
[02:10] <jhutchins> Bughunting is a continuous process.  Ubuntu never sleeps.
[02:11] <jhutchins> torniq: A table-optimized all RAM system (none are public yet).
[02:11] <jhutchins> torniq: I would recommend a filesystem that you're familiar with and for which you know how to use recovery and modification tools.
[02:17] <deego> so, since there's a snap in ubuntu that apparently manages its own upgrades and cannot be disabled, i should ps|  grep snap before every shutdown?
[02:19] <leftyfb> deego: for what?
[02:27] <Hash> https://bpa.st/UXNQ something weird is happening on the Ubuntu 2204. I have setup proxmox 7 latest. PVE can ping google, has name resolution, fine. LXC container inside, can ping <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS> and can ping PVE, but even with the correct IP in /etc/resolv.conf I can't get any resolution. Please advise. Ubuntu 22.04 in LXC on Proxmox
[02:28] <Hash> Ubuntu 22.04, /etc/resolv.conf has `nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>` and `nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>`
[02:28] <Hash> I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> from Ubuntu 22.04. But I have no name resolution.
[02:28] <Hash> Thank you.
[02:30] <leftyfb> Hash: I think you want ##proxmox
[02:30] <Hash> Does DNS resolution require that any port 53 or 59 be forwarded or something to the containers?
[02:31] <leftyfb> !info proxmox | Hash : you probably want to /join ##proxmox for support with proxmox and it's networking
[02:32] <Hash> Yeah, I'm not asking for prox mox help
[02:32] <Hash> I only gave that information as background.
[02:32] <Hash> Where the Ubuntu 22.04 is running. the Ubuntu OS can ping the name server, has the correct nameserver entry, but no name resolution.
[02:32] <Hash> I can manualy ping google ips, but no name resolution.
[02:33] <leftyfb> I would help, but you have me on ignore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:34] <Hash> Even if it was a VPS, I wouldn't go to my VPS provider. I'm using Ubuntu, and it can ping the nameserver ip, but I can't get any resolution.
[02:34] <Hash> After installaion, I find /etc/resolv.conf as well as /etc/resolvconf/*
[02:34] <Hash> I'm not sure what that second directory is about
[02:34] <Hash> And I have no idea who just used the bot to takl to me.
[02:34] <Hash> I don't see any nicks talking here
[02:35] <Hash> I'll come back another time when some other folks are around.
[02:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: Looking...
[02:35] <Hash> Sunday night, not much activity
[02:35] <Hash> Patience is virtue! :D
[02:35] <Hash> Hey arraybolt3[m] howdy ho
[02:36] <Hash> https://bpa.st/V6YA arraybolt3[m] better log.
[02:36] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: the first thing I would look at is where proxmox is getting it's Ubuntu 22.04 images from. If they're not official ubuntu cloud images, they're modified in some way and aren't supported
[02:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: I see your problem, I'll look at it.
[02:36] <Hash> Take your time.
[02:36] <Hash> And thank you very much
[02:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: Where are you getting the Ubuntu 22.04 image from? Proxmox? Or are you getting them from an official source?
[02:37] <Hash> Yes, the templates available in there.
[02:37] <Hash> I'm now assuming, since you said, it's not an official source.
[02:37] <Hash> Ok. Np.
[02:37] <Hash> I will try an official source ISO. Np.
[02:37] <Hash> I will report back on that new install.
[02:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: OK.
[02:38] <Hash> arraybolt3[m]: but funny though, right? Curious issue.
[02:38] <Hash> How can networking be correctly configured and yet have no resolution but can ping the name server ips.
[02:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: Yeah, Proxmox shouldn't be letting that happen. Even if the official ISO does work, you might want to still bring it up on the Proxmox channel so that they can fix it for other users.
[02:39] <Hash> I have another data center in another server, and there I'm using ubuntu 20 LTS image template, and that works fine.
[02:39] <arraybolt3[m]> (Maybe your nameserver isn't properly configured? 🤷♂_
[02:39] <Hash> I gotcha.
[02:39] <Hash> It's google.
[02:39] <Hash> And cloudflare. 1111/8888. inside /etc/resolv.conf as in the paste.
[02:39] <arraybolt3[m]> LOL well that had better be configured right!
[02:39] <Hash> Correct format
[02:39] <Hash> Correct sytnax,.
[02:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: One last possibility, maybe you need to turn on the networking service in Ubuntu. I know Arch won't let you connect to the Internet even if everything's configured right unless you turn the service on. Not sure if Ubuntu Server in LXC will treat you the same way or not, but if the official image fails, that's something to check.
[02:42] <Hash> If I try to do /etc/init.d/netwoTAB I get nothing.
[02:42] <Hash> No service like that. prehaps systemd-
[02:44] <Hash> Restarted it and no dice.
[02:44] <Hash> service is active.
[02:44] <Hash> `systemd-networkd`
[02:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Hash: What about netplan?
[02:44] <Hash> hmm
[02:44] <Hash> nothing in /etc/netplan
[02:45] <arraybolt3[m]> 'netplan apply' might do something.
[02:45] <Hash> Not if there is nothing to apply
[02:45] <Hash> But let's find out
[02:46] <arraybolt3[m]> There's nothing in /etc/netplan? That might be your problem right there.
[02:46] <Hash> https://bpa.st/2CLQ
[02:46] <Hash> Well it's using /etc/network/interfaces
[02:46] <Hash> Netplan isn't needed
[02:46] <leftyfb> then it's not a supported 22.04 image
[02:46] <Hash> Which wasn't even installed on it by this image/template thing in pve
[02:46] <leftyfb> it's modified
[02:47] <arraybolt3[m]> hash: If Netplan isn't involved, then this isn't an official image, and it's probably the problem. Try an official image - that may solve everything.
[02:47] <Hash> Really?
[02:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (Netplan is part of the heart of Ubuntu Server's networking, so if it's not working, it's no wonder things are broken.)
[02:47] <Hash> Hmm ok
[02:49] <Hash> It's a dedicated server
[02:49] <Hash> Oh wrong window
[05:14] <morganu> OK making a boot-usb (liveUSB) and forgot how to do the integrity check. I ranthe sha256sum but dont have anything to compare it to. (instructions unclear=For Linux, simply run the command below in terminal and compare the output with the “SHA256SUMS” file in previous download link.)
[05:16] <morganu> wait wait dont tell me: I found it on the download page
[05:17] <morganu> isnt there a program to compare the two strings too?
[05:19] <morganu> I pasted them into textedit ok the bogus version, gedit or something, yeah text editor
[05:21] <morganu> making it. thanks for the space to think.
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> !md5 | morganu
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> morganu: recent ubuntu releases also have an auto integrity check on booting up the usb/media
[08:03] <chmd> Hi there, I accidentally poured tea over my laptop and it was working fine for a few weeks... However now the wifi does not work anymore. I am wondering whether this is a hardware or software problem. Any idea how to confirm whether the hardware is fried?
[08:04] <EriC^^> chmd: you could boot a live usb and see if it works
[08:04] <chmd> dmesg keeps looping on "authentication with [mac address of the wifi router] timed out
[08:05] <chmd> EriC^^: not a bad idea. However it would be great if there was a way to obtain logs for my IT department
[08:06] <ikonia> chmd: you just did obtain the logs
[08:06] <ikonia> you just said dmesg is looping
[08:06] <ikonia> that's a log
[08:26] <opuntia> using try ubuntu22.04
[08:27] <opuntia> apt cant locate package chrome. what's the procedure? webapge?
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> opuntia: chrome is not an official ubuntu package
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> opuntia: try chromium browser as ubuntu alternate instead
[08:28] <arraybolt3[m]> opuntia: You can install Chromium from the Snap store - it's the open-source version of Chrome and has almost all the same features.
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> opuntia: "sudo snap install chromium" should do the trick.
[08:30] <opuntia> ok I'll do that. ff scrolls in the wrong direction. i cant be bothered to learn it while I am just trying.
[08:30] <opuntia> kk
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> opuntia: That sounds like a touchpad problem, not a browser problem.
[08:30] <arraybolt3[m]> opuntia: Try opening your mouse settings, and disable anything called "Reverse scrolling", "Natural scrolling", or something like that.
[08:31] <opuntia> liste, I want to shrink my partition from 325G to say 200 gigs, bigger than the amount I am using. - Will gparted arrange to have the files scattered around the drive all neatly packaged into the smaller space? Or not?  (OC I will backup.)
[08:32] <opuntia> I just hate to have to erinstall everything
[08:32] <arraybolt3[m]> opuntia: You should be able to just shrink the partition AFAIK. I've shrunk partitions before with OK results.
[08:32] <opuntia> re-install
[08:33] <opuntia> nice. Now I have tomorrows work all cut out for me.
[08:33] <opuntia> usa 1am
[08:35] <opuntia> thanks and good night. this seems pretty zippy. New versions have a lot worked out better. I really want to see if it can handle a lot of chrome tabs without freezing the computer like 20.04 does.
[08:35] <arraybolt3[m]> opuntia: Heads-up, the computer probably won't freeze, but Chromium will probably vanish once you open too much stuff.
[08:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Welcome to systemd-oomd, they're working on it.)
[08:35] <opuntia> or it might be my memory. maemtest doesnt work on this. it locks in the first second.
[08:36] <arraybolt3[m]> opuntia: If you're talking about the memtest that comes with the ISO, I've never gotten it to test beyond 4096MB, I think that's a limitation of the tester itself. It fails on machines that work just fine, and it always fails right there.
[08:36] <opuntia> when I do the installation I will be prolly using chrome.
[08:37] <opuntia> ah, thanks arraybolt3[m] I have 8G. and the Dell tests come out just fine.  -- But I ONLY have 82 tabs open. (I counted today)
[08:49] <MR_R0B0T> ubuntu dual boot
[08:49] <MR_R0B0T> how to do it
[08:49] <MR_R0B0T> I booted usb, free space done then ?
[08:52] <opuntia> arraybolt3[m] mouse scroling natural, adjusted in system settings (not chrome)
[08:52] <opuntia> MR_R0B0T I think I can help you. What system do you have on your computer now?
[08:53] <opuntia> Assuming it is windows you should first partition your hard drive with windows so that windows doestn see anything unexpected.
[08:54] <opuntia> After that you will have a partition to install ubuntu in.
[08:54] <MR_R0B0T> yes .I made a free space in windows and made a bootable usb now I'm on boot menu
[08:54] <MR_R0B0T> opuntia: thanks
[08:54] <opuntia> choose install ubuntu
[08:55] <MR_R0B0T> do I need to turn on efi , something like that in boot menu? last time I tried to install it says no efi like that error msg
[08:55] <opuntia> and keep going. The confusing part is when you get to the partition the hard drive part. Nowadays you dont need to do anything special with swp and all like in the old days.
[08:55] <opuntia> swp should have been swap
[08:56] <opuntia> oh yes. to be certan ask someone else. As I remember you have to run off something LIKE safe boot too.
[08:57] <opuntia> or ask the google. There  are several forums like askubuntu ubuntuforums etc that answer these standard questions. Just PAY ATTENTION to the year.
[08:57] <MR_R0B0T> it asks for two options , one is legacy ,other one is UEFI
[08:57] <opuntia> I am too tired  not USA to be trusted on detail like this.
[08:57] <opuntia> legacy
[08:57] <MR_R0B0T> ok
[08:58] <opuntia> I forgot about that till you mentioned.
[08:58] <opuntia> and safe boot too. I think that's it.
[08:58] <MR_R0B0T> ok now in install Ubuntu page
[08:59] <opuntia> great to have the page plus a person
[08:59] <opuntia> I have to do the same for my PIA HP laptop.
[09:00] <opuntia> When I started I broke the entire hard drive into partitions to prepare for newer versions or distros. Now I dont care about distros, just ubuntu.
[09:01] <MR_R0B0T> I think I deleted the windows :(
[09:02] <MR_R0B0T> I selected the entire disk option
[09:02] <MR_R0B0T> will it delete or what
[09:04] <MR_R0B0T> it says windows repairing mode
[09:06] <MR_R0B0T> I rebooted now I'm back on ubuntu installation
[09:09] <MR_R0B0T> now the uefi not showing
[09:16] <MR_R0B0T> now the pendrive is not showing in the boot menu
[09:16] <tannera> Does your windows install still boot when the flash drive isn't plugged in?
[09:18] <Maik> MR_R0B0T: selecting the entire disk option wipes the whole hard drive
[09:19] <arraybolt3[m]> MR_R0BOT: Did you back up your data before doing this?
[09:19] <arraybolt3[m]> If not, STOP USING THE SYSTEM IMMEDIEATELY.
[09:19] <Maik> you should have selected install ubuntu next to windows
[09:19] <arraybolt3[m]> It may be possible to recover any files you lost.
[09:19] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least, it may be possible to recover some of them.)
[09:21] <tannera> Does the ubuntu installer let you try to install to the installer usb? He mentions the usb doesn't boot anymore
[10:02] <sams> is there a means of rectifying that ghosted desktop icon you get in gnome?
[10:43] <torniq> i've installed ubuntu on a 2TB nvme, .. by default it only gave me 100GB.  Unsure why, but .... how can  you bump the amount of disk space available for this?
[10:48] <torniq> default install only does 100GB, crazy.  Figured it out
[11:06] <cousteau> Hi
[11:08] <cousteau> I'm doing kernel cleanup.  Which packages should I uninstall per kernel version?  I see linux-headers-*, linux-image, linux-modules, linux-modules-extra, linux-hwe... anything else?
[11:11] <cousteau> ...and what the hell is hwe?
[11:11] <arraybolt3[m]> cousteau: You shouldn't have to do that, just run "sudo apt autoremove", and that should take care of it. (If it looks like it's about to uninstall a ton of stuff other than just kernels, don't do that.)
[11:12] <Maik> !hwe | cousteau
[11:12] <arraybolt3[m]> cousteau: HWE is the Hardware Enablement Stack. An HWE kernel basically is a newer Linux kernel on an older version of Ubuntu. It gives older but supported Ubuntu versions compatibility with more hardware.
[11:13] <cousteau> arraybolt3[m]: well, at least in this Ubuntu version, `apt -s autoremove` doesn't say it will uninstall any kernel image/header/modules
[11:14] <arraybolt3[m]> cousteau: Hmm. I've experienced that on Kubuntu before. I had success following a particular guide, let me see if I can find it...
[11:15] <cousteau> arraybolt3[m]: I see, so I guess I should uninstall unused linux-hwe versions as well?
[11:15] <arraybolt3[m]> cousteau: I think? (someone correct me if I'm wrong here) that HWE kernels show up just like any other kernels in Ubuntu, and you can remove them the same way.
[11:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Here's the guide I followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[11:16] <cousteau> arraybolt3[m]: there's RemoveOldKernels in the Ubuntu wiki, if that's what you mean
[11:16] <arraybolt3[m]> I used the "Other methods" part of the guide.
[11:16] <cousteau> Yeah that one
[11:16] <cousteau> I'll do it manually for now
[11:17] <cousteau> I got bitten by "separate and ridiculously small /boot partition because the disk is encrypted" issue
[11:29] <cousteau> Weird.  /boot/initrd.img was pointing to initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic, but that file didn't exist because the disk was full.  Nevertheless, after removing old kernels and freeing up space, that file has appeared.  What is this sorcery
[11:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds like unattended-upgrades doing its magic at just the right time to be noticable, to me.
[11:30] <cousteau> Did it get installed automatically?  Or was it already present and just didn't show up before because of disk issues?  Maybe I should reinstall it just in case
[11:31] <arraybolt3[m]> It probably got installed automatically. You might want to run a quick "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" just for good measure, though.
[11:32] <cousteau> Hm.  The output of the previous apt purge doesn't show anything about installing anything...
[11:33] <cousteau> But yeah, an update is in order, just in case
[11:36] <Psil0[m]> Hey guys stupid question asked it before what software can I use to stream audio from home to vlc for rdmaple kind of hoe Winamp allowed streams back in day
[11:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Psil0: Are you trying to listen to music saved at home while you're abroad, like from your phone or laptop?
[11:43] <deego> how do you ask ubuntu to show a little minimap of your workspaces?
[12:12] <cousteau> Psil0[m]: VLC allows streaming
[12:12] <cousteau> But I forgot how
[12:14] <cousteau> But if you stream through a port and open that port on your router then you can open your IP:port remotely and listen to your music.  I've done that before
[12:16] <cousteau> If you want something more like a "file server", there's software for that.  PLEX comes to mind, but that's more for movies I think
[12:33] <cousteau> Is there a way to make apt -s ask me to confirm what is going to (simulately) delete?  Just to have the real experience
[12:37] <amosbird> Hmm, man 2 getrandom() says it was introduced in version 3.17 of the Linux kernel. However, on linux 3.10 getrandom syscall also works. Why?
[12:51] <deego> cousteau: what is -s with apt?
[12:52] <deego> cousteau:  did you try -u with apt?
[13:03] <cousteau> deego: -s = Simulate, or dry run, i.e., only print which packages will be installed or removed, but do not actually install or remove them
[13:04] <ioria> cousteau, aptitude will ask for confirmation
[13:04] <cousteau> (and it can be run without sudo, since it's not actually installing nor removing anything)
[13:04] <cousteau> I don't have aptitude installed anyway
[13:04] <cousteau> (I really do miss `aptitude why` though)
[13:05] <cousteau> Petition to add a similar capability to `aptitude why` to `apt`!
[13:05] <cousteau> (who maintains the `apt` executable?  Is it an Ubuntu thing?
[13:05] <luna__> Debian thing
[13:06] <cousteau> Aw
[13:06] <cousteau> (just to clarify I meant the `apt` command that acts as a front end to `apt-get` and others, not the APT system in general)
[13:07] <oerheks> apt-get is the old way, it is apt now, as intelligent as aptitude.
[13:07] <cousteau> Not as intelligent.  It doesn't provide an `apt why` command!
[13:08] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/apt gives the maintainer.
[13:08] <oerheks> .. apt why?
[13:09] <cousteau> oerheks: in any case, apt is not exactly a replacement for apt-get; it just calls apt-get under the hood, if I understand correctly
[13:09] <oerheks> no, it does not call apt-get
[13:10] <oerheks> it does more with apt-cache AFAIK
[13:11] <cousteau> It just acts as a front-end to a variety of commands, including apt-get and apt-cache.  Or that's what I thought (and the manpage seems to imply, but this isn't clear)
[13:12] <cousteau> launchpad.net/apt seems to refer to the whole APT suite, not the apt command specifically
[13:13] <oerheks> i used to swear by aptitude, but apt is on the same level now
[13:13] <cousteau> Yeah, aptitude was the real deal back in the day
[13:14] <cousteau> But my understanding was that apt was developed merely as a front end.  And it would make sense too, why repeat the work rewriting a tool that already exists?
[13:15] <leftyfb> it's not a front-end to apt-get
[13:17] <leftyfb> cousteau: use apt-get for scripting, use apt for everything else
[13:17] <oerheks> oh yes, that is the downside of apt, not good scriptable.
[13:17] <cousteau>  The apt binary is only 18K; the apt-get binary is 47K.  They either really did a nice job optimizing it for size, or it's just a front end to other tools.  (Maybe not apt-get, but definitely other tools.)
[13:17] <oerheks> * for now
[13:18] <leftyfb> cousteau: both apt and apt-get are front-ends for dpkg (sort of)
[13:19] <cousteau> Well yeah, but they do more than what dpkg does
[13:19] <leftyfb> hence the "sort of"
[13:19] <cousteau> They handle software repositories, dependencies...
[13:20] <cousteau> I mean, they not only install software, but also download it and check for updates.  I think dpkg doesn't do that, although it does do all the "heavy lifting" when installing a package
[13:22] <cousteau> Basically apt is the boss and dpkg is the intern, which really bothers dpkg because he's been around for WAY longer than his boss
[13:25] <cousteau> But it was my understanding that apt-get and apt-cache were the managers, and apt was the CEO
[13:25] <leftyfb> no
[13:25] <cousteau> (like, the chain of command went apt -> apt-get -> dpkg, not directly apt -> dpkg)
[13:26] <leftyfb> cousteau: it's easy to test. Rename /bin/apt-get and use apt to update, install, remove some things
[13:26] <leftyfb> actually, /usr/bin/apt-get as well
[13:27] <cousteau> I considered doing that, but decided not to do such thing since I don't want to mess with this machine
[13:27] <cousteau> Even if it's easy to undo
[13:27] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍
[13:27] <cousteau> But OK, I believe you
[13:27] <leftyfb> cousteau: feel free to use a container to test it
[13:28]  * arraybolt3[m] uses virtual machines when I want to do something dangerous on Linux to see what happens
[13:28] <cousteau> It's just weird that they made a redundant tool.  Doesn't feel like the UNIX way.
[13:28] <leftyfb> cousteau: it's verymuch the OSS way. Feel free to discuss more in #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:29] <cousteau> OK
[13:33] <dust> https://unetbootin.github.io/ is missing in the repo
[13:36] <elias_a> dust: It would be nice to have. Make a suggestion - I'll vote for it. :)
[14:15] <dbqp> hi, after installing timeshift on ubuntu, can't apt update because it says filesystem is read-only
[14:16] <arraybolt3[m]> dust: UNetbootin doesn't actually work with a lot of ISOs.
[14:16] <bittin> has not been updated in years
[14:17] <bittin> alright atleast 1 year
[14:17] <dust> arraybolt3[m], u can use any iso...
[14:17] <dust> never had one which didnt work...
[14:18] <arraybolt3[m]> dust: Yes, but many of them will fail in some way. At least I've seen some distros specifically warn to not use UNetbootin.
[14:18] <dust> which?
[14:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Can't remember off the top of my head, will dig it up.
[14:21] <arraybolt3[m]> dust: openSUSE.
[14:22] <descent> i remember unetbootin used to work then it didnt so i stopped using it
[14:22] <dust> arraybolt3[m], link to that info?
[14:22] <descent> like years ago
[14:23] <arraybolt3[m]> dust: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_USB_stick "Warning: Do not try to apply procedures found on the internet for other distributions to convert the images into bootable sticks (unetbootin). Doing that will break the images. The openSUSE images are already prepared for being used directly on usb sticks, and can persist filesystem changes without further steps."
[14:24] <dust> https://en.opensuse.org/Create_installation_USB_stick
[14:24] <dust> here they offer the info how UNetbootin should be used with opensuse...
[14:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Odd. OK, then maybe it's not such a bad idea to include it after all.
[14:26] <dust> arraybolt3[m], ur info is about not to apply procedures for other distros... not about UNetbootin itself...
[14:27] <afterThought> Why would the "setup wizard" start everytime I log in, like I don't have a user created?
[14:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Makes sense.
[14:27] <afterThought> After a fresh install
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:27] <jedorf> hello, I have a question about "ufw", I have that: https://termbin.com/d63p, how can I remove rules "22 on eth1 anywhere" and "22 (v6) on eth1 anywhere" ?
[14:28] <jedorf> because I tried "ufw delete allow from any to any port 22" or "ufw delete allow from any to any port 22 on eth1"
[14:28] <jedorf> nothing work...
[14:30] <descent> gufw is easier. it has gui
[14:31] <jedorf> I work with automation, so gui in my case is unusable
[14:32] <jedorf> and also I can delete rule by the number but same, I am not interested about that
[14:36] <mickey> i imported an openvpn config with nmcli, and it works fine (except for not honoring static-challenge), but for some reason it insists on adding a default route through the vpn which shouldnt happen
[14:36] <jadenlian> is there a lock-screen on ubuntu server
[14:37] <mickey> if anyone has an idea about this..
[14:39] <oerheks> jedorf, sudo ufw status numbered # gives a numbered list, sudo delete 1 # deletes rule 1
[14:39] <oerheks> jedorf, i hope you have some manual now...
[14:40] <jedorf> without number I said
[14:40] <oerheks> jedorf, then read some manual, i am not going to type out all
[14:40] <oerheks> .. really
[14:40] <jedorf> also I think I found how to do it
[14:41] <jedorf> but really ufw is unstable
[14:42] <oerheks> good, have fun
[14:43] <jedorf> ufw delete allow in on eth1 from any to any port 22
[14:51] <enyc> Hrrm... I think I'm hitting  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2475740
[14:51] <enyc> Intel NUC DC53427HYE  and Ethernet not recognized
[14:52] <enyc> dmidecode  shows onboard Ethernet enabled,  but not in ifconfig etc.
[14:52] <leftyfb> enyc: what version of ubuntu?
[14:52] <enyc> leftyfb: 22.04...  checking kernel updates/versions now
[14:52] <leftyfb> enyc: ifconfig (not installed by default) only shows active interfaces with no added parameters
[14:53] <leftyfb> enyc: ip -c a
[14:53] <enyc> leftyfb: GUI network manager similar
[14:53] <enyc> leftyfb: ip -c a   only shows 1: lo  info
[15:02] <ioria> enyc, have you tried to load the mosule manually ?
[15:02] <ioria> *module
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> enyc: if thats your case, also make sure your nuc firmware updates are up to date, those matter on nucs
[15:10] <oerheks> lotuspsychje +1
[15:32] <enyc> lotuspsychje oerheks : yes, updated to 2020 version ;o
[15:32] <enyc> lotuspsychje oerheks : F7 bios wouldn't updated, needed dos formatted hard disk to run bios update, then reset to defaults etc...  now updated, F7 bios update function works  but needless as already updated ;O
[15:33] <oerheks> now test your networking
[15:33] <enyc> in any case, even on updated,  UEFI or Legacy booting  kernel 5.15.0-39-generic  and no network device
[15:33] <oerheks> it is a grey area, bios settings and updates..
[15:33] <enyc> copying update debs via USB in a mo and will try updated kernel
[15:33] <enyc> oerheks: have tried bios, definitely network enabled,  tried uefy and legacy, tried PCIe native  function etc... no luck
[15:34] <ioria> enyc, load the module manually with the verbose option
[15:34] <enyc> ioria: most notably I don't see Ethernet device in "lspci" nor "lsusb"
[15:34] <ioria> enyc, lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:34] <enyc> ioria: no network to nc termbin ;o
[15:35] <ioria> enyc, use wifi
[15:35] <enyc> ioria: not present ;o
[15:35] <enyc> but will copy to text file 1mo
[15:36] <ioria> enyc, sudo modprobe -v e1000e
[15:55] <enyc> ioria: both modprobe -v e1000e and modprobe -v e1000   simply report the module loaded  and announce, no more info.   Info you requested and more in  https://ec2.sheer.us/~enyc/noidx/NUC-DC53427HYE/
[15:56] <enyc> dmidecode has  	Status: Enabled
[15:56] <enyc> 	Description: Intel(R) 82579LM Gigabit Ethernet Device
[15:59] <ioria> enyc, boot with the 'noapic' kernel  parameter
[16:04] <enyc> ioria: no difference.  tried also pci=bios, also no difference.
[16:05] <ioria> enyc, do you confirm that the card is not detected by 'lshw -c network ' ?
[16:08] <jhutchins> ifconfig -a shows unconfigured devices.
[16:09] <ioria> it's not detected at all , according to this : https://ec2.sheer.us/~enyc/noidx/NUC-DC53427HYE/lspci-nnk.txt
[16:38] <enyc> ... and in all the middle of the intel-NUC-ethernet-questions, powercuts!
[16:38] <jhutchins> enyc: Fun.
[16:38] <enyc> Appears to be all back now, though the Distributor say by 2.5 hours from now aim to have sorted
[16:38] <enyc> Previous experience suggests may go off and on
[16:39] <jhutchins> enyc: Yeah, that's what I would expect.  What grid are you on?
[16:39] <enyc> Quote Engineer en Route
[16:39] <enyc> jhutchins: SSE in UK National Grid
[16:39] <enyc> from a "reverse" BSP
[16:39] <jhutchins> Are they having load problems?
[16:39] <enyc> "reserve"
[16:39] <enyc> jh	potentially
[16:40] <enyc> jhutchins: too much aircon? ;-O
[16:40] <enyc> too much heat :-O
[16:40] <jhutchins> Yeah, where I grew up nobody had AC in their cars, few houses.  Now it's a necessity.
[16:40] <jhutchins> Oh well, I hear vinyards are doing well in Britain these days.
[16:41] <oerheks> same in NL
[16:41] <enyc> Who was givening me answers about NUC ethernet?!!?!?
[16:41] <jhutchins> We've had a heat index of 136F (Kansas City, center of the U.S.)
[16:42] <arraybolt3[m]> ioria:
[16:42] <arraybolt3[m]> enyc: ioria was.
[16:42] <jhutchins> enyc: I presume the network controller is imbedded in the motherboard?  Chips are soldered in?
[16:42] <enigma9o7[m]> That's super warm.  What was the actual temperature?  What's his "heat index" nonsense?
[16:42] <enigma9o7[m]> Is that like wind chill?
[16:43] <jhutchins> enyc: Humidity 50-70% makes a big difference, I think the actual temp was ~101F.
[16:43] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: Good... what? OK, we've had some hot days here in Missouri, but golly.
[16:43] <enyc> jhutchins: embedded on the NUC mini-computer motheboard
[16:44] <jhutchins> enyc: I would say the next thing to try would be different bootable images with different kernels.
[16:44] <jhutchins> enyc: It's really surprising to see the hardware not detected at all.
[16:44] <enyc> jhutchins: I was thinking the same, but wanted to ask first, some might say "oh yes all 22.04/derivatives have this on some machines".
[16:44] <enyc> jhutchins: I linked a post about this earlier...
[16:45] <hans_> when does 20.04 get a do-release-upgrade for 22.04 ?
[16:45] <enigma9o7[m]> hans: August 4th.
[16:45] <arraybolt3[m]> hans_: You can update early if you want.
[16:45] <arraybolt3[m]> (Back your data up first thought!)
[16:45] <enyc> hans_: when  22.04.1  released,  August 4, 2022   unless you   do-release-upgrade -d
[16:45] <jhutchins> There should be incremental package updates before the official point release.
[16:46] <enigma9o7[m]> Only if you're already on 22.04 tho....
[16:46] <enigma9o7[m]> there is no incremental package updates from 20.04 to 22.04
[16:46] <enigma9o7[m]> theyre just normal updates for 20.04
[16:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Or if you switch to 22.04, then you'll also get the incremental updates to 22.04.1 (unless something is deadly wrong in Ubuntu).
[16:47] <jhutchins> enigma9o7[m]: Right, but there should be updates of the earlier releases as well.
[16:47] <jhutchins> enigma9o7[m]: Especially if there's a broken kernel.
[16:47] <hans_> if an 18.04 does do-release-upgrade after 4 august, will it attempt to upgrade to 20.04 or 22.04 ?
[16:47] <arraybolt3[m]> hans_ It should go to 20.04 IIRC.
[16:48] <jhutchins> There were a lot of Cannonical staff who deferred their Summer vacations until after the release - which is now.
[16:48] <hans_> thanks
[16:48] <jhutchins> hans_: I would expect it to go to 20.04 now.
[16:49] <enigma9o7[m]> well since release was in april... i.e. the spring....  waiting til afterwards for a summer vacation seems ok...
[16:49] <enigma9o7[m]> i always wait til after spring for my summer vacations anyway
[16:49] <jwash> hey guys, just installed 22.02, where is the printer setting dialog, it isn't in settings.
[16:50] <enigma9o7[m]> you searched for printer?
[16:50] <jwash> yes
[16:50] <jwash> i did search
[16:50] <enigma9o7[m]> great scott
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> That's weird.
[16:51] <arraybolt3[m]> jwash: What flavour of Ubuntu are you using?
[16:51] <jwash> https://imgur.com/ViNOWeP.png
[16:51] <jwash> xubuntu
[16:51] <jhutchins> 22.02?
[16:51] <jwash> yes
[16:52] <enyc> jhutchins: please scrollback -- I quoted a link of a report about this
[16:52] <enyc> jhutchins: on an ubuntu forum or similar, please quote link back to me
[16:52] <enigma9o7[m]> cmon jh, you know what he means
[16:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah, Xubuntu. That makes sense.
[16:52] <jwash> what is the name of the applet so i can install?
[16:52] <jhutchins> enigma9o7[m]: One is never entirely certain.
[16:52] <enigma9o7[m]> I guess yer right.
[16:52] <jwash> i want to add a printer to my system
[16:52] <arraybolt3[m]> jwash: Can you go open the Settings Manager and look for Printers in ther?
[16:53] <jwash> look at the link i posted
[16:53] <jwash> https://imgur.com/ViNOWeP.png
[16:53] <arraybolt3[m]> jwash: Yes, I saw it, but it's possible Xubuntu doesn't have its settings as apps like Ubuntu does.
[16:53] <enigma9o7[m]> that pic reminds me of the last one
[16:53] <jhutchins> enyc: Are you looking for https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2475740 - or did you want me to look at it?
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> jwash: I'm just saying what the Xubuntu docs say to do.
[16:54] <enyc> jhutchins: both, thankyou for finding it, lost by powercut ;o
[16:54] <jwash> https://imgur.com/f3uhD1i.png
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> jwash: https://docs.xubuntu.org/1710/user/C/printing-scanning.html
[16:54] <enigma9o7[m]> If I had xubuntu 22.04 handy I'd try to find it for you, but I dont....
[16:54] <arraybolt3[m]> That's the settings menu, not the Settings Manager AFAICT.
[16:55] <jwash> meh, 1 sec
[16:55] <jwash> setting manager isn't there either
[16:55] <jhutchins> enyc: So that post shows that lshw detects the device, I think you reported that yours did not.
[16:56] <arraybolt3[m]> jwash: Blech. Well great. I think I downloaded a Xubuntu ISO once, lemme see if I can dig it up...
[16:56] <jwash> https://imgur.com/HeIejNz.png
[16:56] <enyc> jhutchins: yes, I'm noticing that difference
[16:56] <enyc> hrrrrrrrrm
[16:56] <jhutchins> enyc: Is your goal to figure out why this is happening, or to get the system working?
[16:57] <jwash> what in the vanilla ubuntu is the name of the printer configuration app
[16:57] <jwash> the one available via settings
[16:57] <jhutchins> jwash: Gnome.
[16:57] <jwash> so calling Gnome makes the print configuration dialog open?
[16:57] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: No, the printer configuration app, not the desktop environment.
[16:57] <jhutchins> Sorry.
[16:57] <arraybolt3[m]> jwash: No, there was a misunderstanding.
[16:58] <jwash> yea
[16:58] <arraybolt3[m]> 1 sec, will find the app name (gotta boot a VM to do that)
[16:59] <jhutchins> Does cups have to be installed in order to manage printers?
[16:59] <jwash> system-config-printer
[17:00] <arraybolt3[m]> jwash: That looks like it will do it.
[17:00] <jwash> it is doing it
[17:01] <arraybolt3[m]> jwash: There isn't a particular app that does it in Ubuntu AFAICT, it's part of a Settings app. But the app you named most certainly looks like it will do the trick.
[17:01] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[17:05] <enyc> jhutchins: both ;o  including reporting upstream.  However I have a development.
[17:05] <enyc> jhutchins: after Power cut...  and thus further reboot,  Network is now working.
[17:05] <enyc> jhutchins: I will try older boot usb...  and legacy/non-legacy
[17:06] <enyc> jhutchins: it could be something crazy like.. if time is not set, bios firmware doesn't enable ethernet properly  or something stupid
[17:06] <enyc> jhutchins: will see if i can reproduce the older case
[17:07] <jhutchins> enyc: We'll, have fun.  Interesting that it's working, that shows hope for long-term success.
[17:07] <arraybolt3[m]> enyc: I hate/love it when that happens.
[17:10] <jhutchins> Ah yes, now I remember: Rather than rely on disabling the fstab entry for the backup drive to cause the job to fail, I disabled the job by adding an extension to the file in /etc/cron.daily.
[17:11] <at_work> I have some ubuntu 16.04 boxes in a dark site, since 16.04 went EOL, the deadsnakes APT PPA eliminated 16.04 packages.  I'm hoping someone knows of a potential mirror or vault of older deadsnakes PPA versions.  (Yes I know ubuntu 16.04 is dead.)
[17:12] <leftyfb> at_work: you need to upgrade
[17:12] <arraybolt3[m]> at_work: Have you switched to ESM on 16.04? If not, it's unsupported and we can't help you.
[17:13] <at_work> I'm well aware.  The upgrade is in the works, but right now I need to fix a problem.
[17:14] <at_work> Connocial doesn't support deadsnakes do they?  Why would an ESM come into play?
[17:14] <leftyfb> at_work: it's been over a ywar since 16.04 went EOL and it's been over 4 years since the next LTS release(18.04) came out that you could have upgraded to. You've had plenty of time to upgrade
[17:14] <arraybolt3[m]> at_work: If you're willing to switch to private messages, or possibly #ubuntu-offtopic, I can try to help, but the channel doesn't allow support for EOL versions of Ubuntu.
[17:14] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: they need a newer version of python on an EOL release. It's not happening unless they compile their own python (NOT recommended)
[17:15] <arraybolt3[m]> at_work: The problem is that the OS is out of support. This is an official support channel, if the OS is officially dead, then it's, well, out of support. i.e., offtopic for this channel now.
[17:15] <leftyfb> at_work: your only logical option is to upgrade. Spend the effort on that "right now" and not putting more bandaids on
[17:15] <at_work> arraybolt3[m], understood and I wasn't aware of the policy.  Seems fair as an official support channel.
[17:19] <cbreak> you can get python from somewhere else.
[17:19] <cbreak> but really, why use such an outdated OS?
[17:19] <jhutchins> cbreak: Perhaps you missed the "dark site" and the fact that this isn't a basement hobby system.
[17:20] <jhutchins> cbreak: Unmaintained systems happen in the real world, and the need to recover them is real.
[17:20] <cbreak> upgrading happens in the real world too
[17:20] <russoisraeli> Hello folks and good time of day. Is this a good place to ask about "snap" packages? I am having a "snap" package that emits a permission error on startup, and I am not sure what to do
[17:21] <jhutchins> Still, it is outsides this channel's remit, at_work will need to seek out more direct sources for a newer pyuthon.l
[17:21] <cbreak> many of my coworkers use "miniconda"
[17:21] <cbreak> I don't like it, but it might work.
[17:21] <cbreak> and it's unrelated to ubuntu.
[17:22] <jhutchins> !python
[17:22] <arraybolt3[m]> russoisraeli: Yep, good place to ask.
[17:22] <jhutchins> cbreak: I've had to recover more than one system where they fired all of the real IT staff because "they weren't doing anything".  Let the receptionist change the backup tapes.
[17:23] <cbreak> heh.
[17:23] <russoisraeli> I am trying to run a "snap" of Quagga/Zebra routing suite
[17:23] <cbreak> my condolences.
[17:23] <russoisraeli> It refuses to startup with something like "cannot look up user root"
[17:23] <jhutchins> Yeah, they deserved the pain, but business must go on.
[17:24] <jhutchins> cbreak: I actually enjoy that work, "forensic administration" is sort of my specialty.
[17:24] <russoisraeli> Is there a way to "get" into its execution environment or something?
[17:24] <hans_> at_work: with a bit of luck, this'll suffice: git clone 'https://github.com/python/cpython.git' --depth 1;  cd cpython; ./configure; make -j $(nproc);
[17:24] <at_work> I did ask in #python, then came here since deadsnakes in Ubuntu specific.  As for the outdated systems, they build an EOL product and so far, no one is willing to pony up the funds and and people resources.
[17:25] <jhutchins> russoisraeli: It's my impression that it depends on the snap, rather than the common snap infrastructure.  Is there any support from the source you got the snap from?
[17:25] <at_work> mind you I'm not complaining, just filling in some of the blanks for the questions asked.
[17:25] <ogra> russoisraeli, the quagga snap is from 2017 ... that does not look like it is maintained at a... also, see "snap info quagga", there is a contact in the output you should talk to
[17:25] <enyc> jhutchins arraybolt3[m] : managed somehow to get back to not-working-state ....
[17:25] <ogra> *at all
[17:26] <enyc> jhutchins arraybolt3[m] : also managed to reach state where NUC blinks and won't turn on ....   distinctly getting impression this is  firmware-annoyances  more than anything.
[17:26] <arraybolt3[m]> enyc: That sounds very much like the hardware being annoying.
[17:26] <jhutchins> at_work: I worked for one company where the entire business hinged on an embedded OS that was managed from ONE IBM AT that ran DOS.
[17:26] <arraybolt3[m]> How old is this NUC, and what's it gone through?
[17:27] <jhutchins> I would sincerely hope they're relying on something else now.
[17:27] <at_work> People in the real world will understand that upgrading a build farm is not simply a couple apt-commands.
[17:27] <leftyfb> at_work: mind you, if you follow through with the suggestion from hans_ , you will then need to go to hans_ in private when (not if) things break and you need support
[17:27] <enyc> arraybolt3[m]: I wonder if this 3rd gen core can be coreboot'ed like my nice x230t
[17:27] <arraybolt3[m]> jhutchins: Oh good grief.
[17:27] <at_work> sure sure leftyfb
[17:27] <russoisraeli> ogra / jhutchins - yeah, I see that it's old... there's no good way to "debug"/"fix"/mock around with it?
[17:27] <at_work> I'm not at that point yet.
[17:27] <enyc> arraybolt3[m]: not sure, older 2013 nuc, doesn't show dirt/clogged fan / physical signs of heavy use
[17:27] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: They've already stopped asking for support here, I'm DMing them to try to help (though I'm not coming up with much either!).
[17:28] <ogra> russoisraeli, talk to the maintainer (via the contact email)
[17:28] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: there's no options other than compiling python, which is a horrible idea
[17:28] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: There's also virtualization, which I mentioned. Run 18.04 in a VM and slap the Python you need in there.
[17:28] <russoisraeli> ogra - will do... thought I could fix it myself
[17:29] <leftyfb> arraybolt3[m]: if they could run it in a VM, they can upgrade the host OS
[17:29] <ogra> likely only by re-packing the snap
[17:30] <arraybolt3[m]> leftyfb: Not if it's a product they sold to consumers, which it sounds like it is. But then again, maybe deploying a full-on VM solution isn't going to work there either...
[17:30] <enyc> arraybolt3[m]: also 18.04 can be chroot'ed  without full VM, another approach.
[17:32] <jhutchins> I don't see what advantage a VM would provide, the issue remains.
[17:32] <leftyfb> it doesn't
[17:33] <at_work> FYI, it is a  build farm, fully virtualized.  But that is not relevant.  I asked, I'm out of support, no further discussion needs to occur.
[17:36] <jhutchins> at_work: We were having fun, but time to move on I guess.
[17:37] <ghost89> Something I don't get about rsyslog. I have a Ubuntu 20.04 (also same on 18.04), with a default /etc/rsyslog.conf, which includes another default file /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf. This is the contents of 50-default.conf: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1246902  . If I search it for /var/log/messages, the only entry is "#mail,news.none" which is
[17:37] <ghost89> commented out. So how come my /var/log/messages is not empty?
[17:38] <ghost89> sorry, the question is for 18.04, not 20.04
[17:39] <ghost89> actually, both. their syslog seems to be /var/log/syslog. So what is filling up /var/log/messages? Could it be because it's a VM and ESXi is writing to it somehow?
[17:40] <leftyfb> ghost89: maybe start with, what are you seeing in messages? Also, why are you trying to eliminate logging?
[17:40] <jhutchins> ghost89: You could look at the actual messages and see what's generating them.
[17:40] <at_work> I support full time fun jhutchins.
[17:40] <jhutchins> ghost89: I suspect you have rsyslog set up for replication rather than remote-only.
[17:45] <ghost89> jhutchins: the messages are dating back years on the 18.04, include kernel, NetworkManager, org.gnome.Shell.desktop. Today's entries are just kernel errors. "kernel: floppy: error 10 while reading block 0" and me restarting rsyslogd a few times (the only config I changed is uncommenting UDP 514 in rsyslog.conf). /var/log/syslog has anacron, CRON,
[17:45] <ghost89> snapd logs
[17:45] <ghost89> it's like half the system is logging to one file, and another half to another
[17:45] <ghost89> I'm positive I never touched syslog configuration before today.
[17:46] <leftyfb> ghost89: what is your goal? Why do you want to eliminate logging to messages?
[17:47] <ghost89> I'm not trying to eliminate anything. I was testing UDP logging, wasn't seeing anything in /var/log/messages (what I assumed was Ubuntu's syslog since that's the biggest file I saw first), dug a bit deeper and was surprised at this
[17:47] <leftyfb> ghost89: journald is the new way to do logging
[17:47] <leftyfb> ghost89: journalctl -k # to see kernel messages
[17:48] <ghost89> the other systems dont have systemd. So as I understand it, I must set them up to forward syslog to this Ubuntu server, then have rsyslog feed the incoming syslogs into journald.
[17:49] <ghost89> this is what I was doing when I got distracted by this mysterious /var/log/messages that is not to be found in rsyslog's config
[17:51] <deadrom> hi. ubuntu 18.04 lts, libnetplan is there but to netplan tools so no netplan binary. any other way i can bring up static netowrk?
[17:52] <deadrom> ubuntu server I should mention
[17:52] <leftyfb> deadrom: ubuntu 18.04 uses netplan by default
[17:53] <cbreak> deadrom: you don't have a dhcp server you can configure a static ip on ?
[17:54] <leftyfb> deadrom: ( cat /etc/os-release ; apt-cache policy netplan.io ; sudo dmidecode -t system ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:54] <jhutchins> There shold be a sequence of ip commands that will set up a temporary network like ifconfig did.
[17:55] <leftyfb> cbreak: jhutchins: step #1 is to figure out why the ubuntu system isn't setup correctly by default
[17:55] <deadrom> because our stupid r&d hacks confed it that way
[17:55] <jhutchins> You only need to set IP, netmask, and gateway
[17:56] <jhutchins> (DNS is nice but optional)
[17:56] <leftyfb> deadrom: so install netplan.io
[17:56] <deadrom> no internet
[17:57] <cbreak> deadrom: if you had installed my R&D hacks, you wouldn't have an operating system
[17:57] <arraybolt3[m]> deadrom: Is apt-offline an option?
[17:57] <jhutchins> deadrom: Let's see if this helps: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2475740
[17:57] <deadrom> arraybolt3[m] all usb thumbs we found dont work as embarassing as it sounds
[17:57] <leftyfb> deadrom: you probably have to go to your "r&d" team to figure out how they assume you should setup networking. We have no idea how they modified the system and what is available or functional
[17:58] <alkisg> deadrom: start with: ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev enp1s0
[17:58] <alkisg> Put your IP there; then try to ping your router
[17:58] <arraybolt3[m]> deadrom: Wow. OK, rewritable CD?
[17:58] <deadrom> alkisg ill try,
[17:59] <leftyfb> deadrom: ok, so your system has no networking or the ability to read mass storage devices. This sounds like a very unsupportable system to me
[17:59] <deadrom> arraybolt3[m] targe tmachine is an industrial pc with no cdrom:)
[17:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Sounds more like you're the target of the research and development in this instance. They're researching your skills and developing new ones!
[18:02] <jhutchins> alkisg: How do you set the gateway?
[18:03] <alkisg> jhutchins: ip r add default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev enp2s0
[18:04] <leftyfb> deadrom: mind you, the ip command only modifies interfaces temporarily. Once you reboot the changes are lost
[18:04] <leftyfb> or not
[18:04] <jhutchins> alkisg: Ok, so default does = gateway.
[18:05] <jhutchins> Looks like we lost him anyway, but it's good to know.  Maybe I'll write up a sequence to manually bring up a node.
[18:07] <alkisg> jhutchins: in general `ip a`  (address) shows the IPs and `ip r` shows the routes; and then with "add" on each one of them you add addresses or routes
[18:07] <alkisg> While for dhcp, there's dhclient and klibc ipconfig
[18:08] <alkisg> leftyfb: from what I understood, he was trying to get a temporary static IP in order to then be able to install more packages etc
[18:08] <leftyfb> alkisg: I didn't make that assumption, though certainly possible
[18:23] <tekinm25> Not sure if this is the best place to ask. Ubuntu keeps freezing randomly. I have windows installed on a separate drive and never have any freeze issues there. The ubuntu drive is new. Using REISUB or trying to open a terminal and typing "shutdown -r now" does nothing.
[18:25] <tekinm25> I'm new to ubuntu, so, I don't really know where to start. I think I have good reason to believe this is not a hardware issue.
[18:26] <arraybolt3[m]> tekinm25: This is a good place to asl.
[18:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Er, ask.
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> tekinm25: try to keep a journalctl -f open to catch whats going on before the freezes
[18:26] <arraybolt3[m]> (Don't try to do American Sign Language here, no one will understand you.)
[18:27] <tekinm25> Thank you! lol
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> tekinm25: maybe it can also help sharing your full dmesg in a pastebin, so the volunteers can take a look for you
[18:33] <sarnold> tekinm25: the problems I had with a system that was unstable was helped with https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive/NVMe#Troubleshooting -- what kind of drive is ubuntu on?
[18:52] <jhutchins> tekinm25: It would probably help to know what release you're running, and what your hardware, specifically the video chipset is.
[18:52] <jhutchins> tekinm25: Also what tends to be running when it locks up.
[18:55] <tekinm25> lotuspsychje: It looks like the messages only go to around 10:32am. It froze at 11am (give or take a few minutes). Would those messages still be helpful?
[18:57] <tomreyn> tekinm25: messages from your latest boot *can* be helpful to diagnose problems, yes.
[18:57] <tekinm25> sarnold: thank you, i'll take a look. The drive is SAMSUNG 870 EVO SATA III SSD 1TB
[18:57] <tomreyn> but you should also run hardware reliability tests / benchmarks
[18:59] <sarnold> tekinm25: hmmmm :) lspci says mine is "Samsung Electronics Co Ltd NVMe SSD Controller SM961/PM961". I can't recall what exactly it is.. similar, anyway
[19:00] <tekinm25> jhutchins: thank you. It's 22.04 lts, the gpu is an AMD Radeon RX 580, i've had it freeze with just chrome windows open. Chrome windows and vscode windows. And most recently (when I thought it was chrome doing this), just firefox and vscode
[19:01] <oerheks> ah, vscode.. then i hope you have more than 4 gb ram.
[19:03] <tekinm25> oerheks: i've suspected it could be a memory issue. I have 8gb installed
[19:03] <tekinm25> so, I feel like that should be enough
[19:04] <tekinm25> I have journalctl -f open. Does that automatically save it somewhere? Or do I have to take a picture after it freezes?
[19:08] <arraybolt3[m]> It should automatically save if I understand correctly, but given the fact that the system may not save everything right once it freezes, be ready to take a picture anyway.
[19:09] <tomreyn> what you see there goes to /run/systemd/journal/ and later to /var/log/journal/
[19:10] <tomreyn> that's if a disk sync happens in time
[19:10] <tekinm25> ot it, thank you!
[19:10] <tekinm25> *got
[19:11] <jhutchins> tekinm25: The main goal in having the journal open is so you can see what it's doing.
[19:12] <jhutchins> Unfortunately, all any log system can show you is the last operation that complted successfully.  It's up to you to intuit what the next operation should have been.
[19:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Unless it throws an obvious error like an IO problem.)
[19:13] <tomreyn> which is one of the reasons it would be good to review the boot log
[19:14] <goddard> i have a vpn saved in gnome shell
[19:14] <goddard> can i run it in the command line to see what its issue is?
[19:15] <leftyfb> goddard: nmcli con up <name of VPN profile>
[19:15] <goddard> leftyfb: thanks
[19:17] <goddard> device (wlp48s0): state change: deactivating -> unmanaged (reason 'removed', sys-iface-state: 'managed')
[19:18] <goddard> the connection works fine on my other system and i have used it on this system before and haven't touched it
[19:19] <tekinm25> Here is the log going to about half an hour before it froze: https://pastebin.com/QwAvKB2G - in case anyone wants to take a look
[19:19] <goddard> dbus: failure: connect-failed (1)
[19:22] <jhutchins> tekinm25: What do YOU see?
[19:23] <goddard> all my versions match on each system
[19:23] <tekinm25> jhutchins: lol I don't know what I'm looking at
[19:25] <tekinm25> sata link down, disabling cpus, oom killer. I don't know if any of this is normal or not
[19:25] <tekinm25> That's off of a 3 second glance. There's hundreds of lines there. Based on my limited knowledge, I'm not sure I'm going to get much out of that
[19:25] <jhutchins> tekinm25: What's the time between the last log entry and the freeze?
[19:25] <tekinm25> about half an hour
[19:26] <jhutchins> So nothing in the log is probably related to the freeze.
[19:26] <tekinm25> That's what I was thinking
[19:27] <jhutchins> tekinm25: It could be thermal, it could be something related to the specific web pages you were browsing.
[19:27] <tekinm25> I have journalctl open now. My hope is that I'll get something more relavent next time it happens
[19:27] <tekinm25> As far as a thermal issue, would that still be likely if it never happens when I'm running windows?
[19:28] <tomreyn> the last parts on the log are a return from suspend. does it also happen if you don't suspend?
[19:28] <jhutchins> tekinm25: What kind of hardware is this? Laptop? Desktop? NUC?
[19:28] <jhutchins> tekinm25: What is the vscode doing?
[19:28] <tekinm25> Desktop with a dedicated gpu (radeon rx 580) and a samsung evo 860 for windows and an 870 for ubuntu
[19:30] <tekinm25> I just had vscode open while trying to work on a small programming problem. But nothing was running in vscode. I was just working on writing some things out when it froze (same thing as last time it froze with code open - nothing running, just editing)
[19:30] <tomreyn> first gen amd zen cpu. did this ever run stable on linux?
[19:34] <teear_> Is Bun something you eat?
[19:34] <leftyfb> teear_: do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[19:34] <tekinm25> tomreyn: yes, I've just started using suspend more recently. It's frozen about 3 times before that when I wasn't using suspend
[19:35] <teear_> Yes, I have
[19:35] <tomreyn> tekinm25: i would upgrade bios to v2.00, then to v3.60 (but not higher due to the cpu) https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450m%20Pro4/#BIOS
[19:35] <teear_> I need to rsync, a bun to another server, how would i bun that?
[19:35] <tekinm25> This is my first time running linux on this computer
[19:36] <leftyfb> teear_: trolling is offtopic here. Feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:36] <tomreyn> tekinm25: i would upgrade bios to v2.00, then to v3.50 (but not higher due to the cpu) https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450m%20Pro4/#BIOS
[19:36] <teear_> oke
[19:36] <tomreyn> tekinm25: ^ correction
[19:36] <tekinm25> tomreyn: sounds good. Thank you!
[19:39] <tomreyn> tekinm25: you should then have a bios option such as power supply idle control, and, if it remains unstable, should set that to "typical current idle"
[19:48] <tekinm25> Will do!
 UWN: Issue743 now available: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue743
[19:59] <tomreyn> tekinm25: some background: https://forum.level1techs.com/t/ryzen-and-disabling-c6-c-state-the-curse-of-c6/153167/3 - if this is the issue you'Re facing, then you won't see it on windows because there, an OS update (energy plan) was rolled out to cause the cpu to be kept busy enouhg to not enter C6 state for affected 1st gen ryzen cpus
[20:04] <tekinm25> tomreyn: interesting! thank you
[20:18] <de-facto> how can i do a screenshot without de-focusing an app?
[20:18] <de-facto> e.g. if i click and open a menu, pressing [print] does not trigger screenshots until i close the menu by de-focusing click somewhere else
[20:22] <tekinm25> de-facto: I'm able to press print and take a screenshot of app menus. When screenshots do work, does it open a window giving you the option to select a screen or window?
[20:22] <de-facto> only if it works yeah
[20:23] <de-facto> i think its not triggered when the focus in on an opened dropdown menu
[20:24] <de-facto> e.g. the [Print] button may not reach whatever triggers that window to choose for screenshots (tbh i am not a big fan of because its annoying to get asked the same question again and again)
[20:24] <tekinm25> it works for me with opened dropdown menus - just tested firefox, vscode, and nautilus settings. Does it happen with all apps?
[20:25] <de-facto> for example it does not work with hexchat
[20:25] <de-facto> maybe GTK2 apps contain the focus from screenshot getting triggered?
[20:25] <tomreyn> gnome-screenshot can take screenshots after a configurable delay, this can work around it
[20:26] <de-facto> previously ubuntu would just silently put a PNG in the Pictures directory without any popups or such
[20:26] <de-facto> I prefered that
[20:27] <tekinm25> gnome-screenshot -d -5
[20:27] <tekinm25> that does a screenshot with a 5 second delay
[20:27] <tekinm25> You could also try some alternative apps (this gives a few different options): https://itsfoss.com/take-screenshot-linux/
[20:29] <de-facto> what was the previous default that just silently took a screen without questions?
[20:29] <de-facto> gnome-screenshot?
[20:29] <tomreyn> gnome-shell
[20:29] <de-facto> btw thanks the delayed shot worked
[20:30] <agoodm> im having issues with my laptop wifi roaming - its returning pings during the association / dhcp process which is causing my ipv4 to change every time it roams making it almost unusable dhcpd: "Abandoning IP address <IP_ADDRESS>: pinged before offer"
[20:30] <agoodm> where can I raise this as a bug? It didnt used to be like this previously
[20:30] <leftyfb> !bug | agoodm
[20:31] <agoodm> which package should I report under for wifi roaming/network issues
[20:40] <jhutchins> agoodm: First you need to confirm that this is happening to other users with the same setup.
[20:41] <jhutchins> agoodm: It sounds like it could be a problem with the AP configuration rather than a bug in the Linux networking system.
[20:41] <jhutchins> agoodm: Roaming implies changing local networks, and you would expect a different IP address on a different network.
[22:06] <Hash> Hi
[22:07] <Hash> I figured out the problem. Proxmox debian, and there, the default UFW INPUT and FORWARD policy were set to DROP
[22:07] <Hash> I fixed that, and now my Ubuntu containers inside the Proxmox have name resolution.
[22:07] <Hash> So the Ubuntu 20/22 templates for LTS on proxmox are just fine, there are not problems in them.
[22:08] <Hash> It is the proxmox host outside, that needs /etc/default/ufw policy modifation, then containers of Ubuntu inside have name resolution.
[22:08] <Hash> This never happened to me on any other PVE install as I never tried to use ufw on debian/pve.
[22:09] <Hash> arraybolt3[m]: ^
[22:09] <Hash> I dunno if the channel is pubicly logged, but incase, here's the link to the solution I found: https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/enabled-ufw-allowed-rules-nothign-accesable-anymore.22595/
[22:10] <Hash> Thank you and have a great day folks.
[23:19] <oerheks> Hash, good find
[23:40] <clarkk> I have a problem with my bluetooth headset on Ubuntu 20.04 using Gnome 3.36.8.  I've been using the headset for several years without issue. I bought the same model when this problem started, and I have the same problem with the new headset. No changes have been made to my system, apart from normal system updates. Please see the following video:
[23:40] <clarkk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/45pjcju877xkx6i/ubuntu-bluetooth-headset-issue.mp4?dl=0
[23:40] <clarkk> At 11s the headset is being paired for the first time, and then connects and works correctly. When I switch it off (28s) and on again, the headset says, "power on" and settings says "Connected" (36s), but then immediately the headset says "pairing", and settings changes to "Disconnected" (37s). Then I have to double click "Disconnected" in settings and move the "Connection" slider to enabled (39s), and the headset works
[23:40] <clarkk> as expected. If I switch it off (55s) and on (1:02), the same process happens.
[23:40] <clarkk> Obviously, the expected behavior is for the headset to connect without having to enable the slider.
[23:40] <clarkk> In trying to fix the issue, I completely uninstalled (including configuration) the packages: bluez, bluez-cups, bluez-obexd, gnome-bluetooth, pulseaudio-module-bluetooth.
[23:40] <clarkk> then rebooted and reinstalled them
[23:40] <clarkk> Could someone kindly help me to troubleshoot and solve this, please?
[23:56] <ravage> clarkk, BT is always a little tricky. one problem could be that the device is not trusted. you can check all device info with "bluetoothctl info MACOFYOURDEVICE"
[23:57] <ravage> there is also https://github.com/jrouleau/bluetooth-autoconnect if everything else fails


[13:59] <cjohnston> alejandraobregon: ping
[17:33] <princej88> Hi,
[17:34] <princej88> How would i go about reporting a bug that I have noticed on ubuntu.com
[17:34] <princej88> ?
[17:34] <princej88> I figured this would be the right place..
[17:37] <pleia2> princej88: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[17:37] <princej88> cool will do.
[18:02] <daker> princej88, if it's related to the content report it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content
[18:41] <princej88> @daker if you go to the download page for ubuntu sever and select 32 bit from the download options, the download button will still say 64bit.
[18:41] <princej88> only happens for when downloading the sever edition not the desktop
[18:41] <princej88> already submitted a but under ubuntu-website
[18:42] <princej88> bug*


[00:01] <ScottK> jamespage: Do we have a documented openssl exception for mongodb now?
[00:02] <sarnold> akurilin2: /etc/apache2 might be Good Enough
[00:04] <akurilin2> sarnold, cool, thank you.
[01:36] <Senor> my ubuntu command line is not aligned to left ,what is the reason?
[01:39] <marcoceppi> Senor: screenshot?
[01:43] <Senor> marcoceppi:command line start at the middle of the screen ,does it need i install vga driver?
[01:43] <Senor> like this :
[01:43] <marcoceppi> Senor: you shouldn't need to, how are you connecting to the machine?
[01:44] <Senor> I login directly from physical machine
[01:45] <Senor> not by  remote access
[01:45] <marcoceppi> Senor: just at console, or do you have a desktop package installed?
[01:45] <Senor> no
[01:45] <Senor> since it is used as a server
[01:46] <marcoceppi> Yeah, I don't think you'll need any graphics packages. I'm curious what the photo looks like
[01:46] <sarnold> Senor: is this a CRT or an LCD? hooked up over VGA or DVI?
[01:46] <Senor>                                                      Senor:~#abcd
[01:46] <Senor> efg
[01:47] <Senor> just like that
[01:49] <Senor> marcoceppi:Do you have mothod to fix it ?
[01:51] <Senor> or Does it reply on some configurations ?
[02:01] <marcoceppi> Senor: what happens when you type reset?
[02:04] <Senor> marcoceppi:it just clear the screen
[02:04] <sarnold> Senor: is this a CRT or an LCD? hooked up over VGA or DVI?
[02:06] <Senor> i am not clear of that ,how does I check for that?
[02:07] <sarnold> does the monitor weigh two kilograms or fifteen kilograms? :)
[02:08] <sarnold> for the connector, well, you'll probably just have tofind the cable on the back of the computer and look at it to see if it is a VGA connector or a DVI connector
[02:09] <Senor> ok
[02:09] <sarnold> VGA was complicated, the video cards output the signal for pixels as the crt scanned from top-to-bottom, left-to-right
[02:09] <sarnold> it outputs video signal while scanning across, and turns off when the electron beam is sent back to the other side of the display -- and again when moving from bottom right corner to upper left corner
[02:10] <sarnold> as a result, it was very easy for displays to be shifted, squashed, stretched, or even "wrapped around" by the correct monitor settings or video card settings
[02:11] <ScottK> In fairness, that's exactly how CRTs work in hardware, so it made sense at the time.
[02:11] <sarnold> if you're lucky, you just fiddle with the controls on the front of the monitor. but if the monitor is used with multiple machines, and can't store settings for multiple video cards, you might need to change the way the video is output from the machine...
[02:11] <Senor> how does I change that?
[02:11] <sarnold> ScottK: definitely, it drastically simplified the CRT hardware, and usually some simple controls were enough to fix it, and fix it just once..
[02:13] <sarnold> Senor: you could fiddle with the monitor knobs directly
[02:13] <sarnold> Senor: or you could try adding vga=ask to your kernel command line, try different vga settings, and find one that works better
[02:14] <Senor> sarnold:If I add nomodset to kernel command line ,it output as normal
[02:15] <sarnold> Senor: oh! hurray. :)
[02:15] <sarnold> Senor: I was going to aim you at Documentation/fb/modedb.txt in the kernel sources if vga= .. didn't fix it. but that sounds good too. :)
[02:17] <Senor> But I really do not know meaning of nomodset
[02:17] <Senor> I google it
[02:26] <vexed___> can anyone give me a hint on how to install ubuntu (server) on KVM ?  I try to do virsh console guest and it hangs at the prompt.  vrish ttyconsole shows /dev/pts/3
[02:26] <Senor> sarnold:thanks anyway
[02:26] <sarnold> Senor: sure thing :) have fun!
[02:30] <thesheff17> vexed___, I would try virt-manager
[02:31] <vexed___> that won't work, no X here.  Only console.
[02:31] <thesheff17> well virt-manager works across a machine if you have X on another
[02:31] <thesheff17> it can connect over SSH
[02:31] <thesheff17> or forward X
[02:31] <vexed___> Hmmm, never tried that before.
[02:31] <thesheff17> to your local
[02:51] <brad100> hello
[02:53] <brad100> hello?
[02:53] <sarnold> brad100: hello :) irc tends to be quiet until someone asks a question..
[02:54] <sarnold> (if all 200-odd people rpelied to every "hello", not much else would get said :)
[02:54] <brad100> oh ok, so i just set up my very own email server and i cant recieve any emails at all
[02:54] <brad100> and google gives me an error when i try to send emails to it
[02:54] <brad100> can you help?
[02:55] <sarnold> brad100: sending and receiving are often very different things, it'd make sense to focus on one at a time
[02:55] <brad100> ok
[02:55] <sarnold> brad100: do you have any error messages in the log files that look relevant?
[02:55] <brad100> i want to work on receiving
[02:56] <brad100> nope
[02:56] <brad100> im checking /var/log/mail.log
[02:56] <brad100> but there is nothing
[02:57] <brad100> im using dovecot to receive mail
[02:59] <sarnold> brad100: dovecot is probably how your client retrieves mail from a server; probably postfix or exim is broken if you're having trouble sending mail to your new server
[03:01] <brad100> ohhhhh, yeah i found the errors. Virtual_alias_maps  map lookup  problems seems to pop up a lot
[03:01] <sarnold> yay :) now you've got a loose string to pull
[03:02] <brad100> nice, now what do i do ? xD
[03:02] <sarnold> brad100: check the pathname you gave to the maps, see if it is (a) there (b) readable by the server (c) well-formatted (d) contains the data you need it to contain...
[03:03] <brad100> yep youre right its a postfix thing too. uhh could you walk me through that please?
[03:03] <sarnold> sorry, time for me to get some dinner and walk the dog :)
[03:04] <brad100> ok well thank you so much for youre help
[03:04] <sarnold> brad100: there's Way Too Much documentation on postfix in both the manpages and the postfix.org site -- and who knows, someone who knows postfix may just show up soon..
[03:04] <sarnold> brad100: have fun and good luck :)
[03:04] <brad100> thanks ill need it xD
[03:05] <sarnold> :)
[03:10] <brad100> uhhh anybody else here who can help me?
[03:15] <wxl> anyone around know how i can autostart wifi on boot?
[03:16] <brad100> my server already does that
[03:16] <brad100> wxl
[03:17] <wxl> brad100: i'm convinced i know how to set it up in general but i'm wondering if the hidden ssid isn't a complication
[03:17] <brad100> yeah that might be
[03:17] <brad100> idk
[03:18] <wxl> i assume you have auto wlan0 etc. in /etc/network/interfaces?
[03:22] <brad100> yep
[03:24] <wxl> i should just stop being stubborn, unhide the thing and see what happens :)
[03:24] <vexed___> thanks thesheff17 ssh -X works with this.
[03:24] <brad100> @wxl yes do that
[03:24] <thesheff17> vexed___, cool glad it worked
[03:24] <brad100> doo itt
[03:31] <wxl> well that did it
[03:31] <wxl> now if i can just figure out how to get around it… ;)
[05:27] <Guest58432> I just install ubuntu-server and install mailutils packages,now can send mail ,but can't recipent mail. wo can help me?
[05:39] <brad100> good luck
[05:39] <brad100> i tried to set up a mail server and i still need help
[05:59] <xirre> Hi, I was looking around and just could not find words on how to express this question in a  search format. I'm looking for a program that would allow a user, typically one running a server, the ability to place processes in a depressed state while keeping certain processes running normal to save power. More like a sleep mode that "dreams" about a specific thing which in this case would be the server and the internet.
[06:01] <xirre> .
[06:46] <jamespage> ScottK, not yet
[06:50] <jamespage> ScottK, whilst we are talking about this; do you have an opinion on what needs to be done to make things good for raring once the license exception is documented?
[06:51] <jamespage> I expect the licensing changes to land into the current devel releases - is that sufficient or would we need to add something to the package in raring to document this
[07:45] <Niaobu> Hi, I'm trying to setup an old laptop as a headless server running ubuntu server 12.04. The laptop has a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870 graphics card which is producing a lot of heat when it should be doing nothing. Temperatures reach 80C when all that is running is a single ssh session. Temperatures are low when running windows etc. Is there anything I can do to control the gpu?
[08:10] <jamespage> Niaobu, yes - let me dig the option out for you
[08:16] <jamespage> Niaobu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5857743/
[08:16] <jamespage> thats an upstart configuration I used to force the card into low power mode
[08:16] <Niaobu> jamespage: thanks! I'll try that.
[08:26] <jamespage> ScottK, also I'm assuming the backport I requested for mongodb 2.2.4 + SSL to 12.04/12.10 is blocked on resolution of this issue as well?
[08:26] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantal-backports/+bug/1168389
[08:55] <psivaa> jdstrand: i have just updated bug #1197484 with the answers to your questions.
[08:57] <psivaa> jdstrand: i see you are finding it difficult to reproduce. I could show the error if you are able to log into the server in our lab, if that's ok
[09:17] <vlad_starkov> Question: What PAM module do you use for authenticating vsftpd users?
[09:46] <ScottK> jamespage: I think that as long it's documented in the devel release, that's sufficient.  Do we have a timeframe for resolution?  Given the TB decision, I think that it ought not remain SSL enabled for long without the exception.
[09:46] <ScottK> I hadn't looked at that request, so I hadn't blocked on that, but unless it's urgent for other reasons, perhaps waiting does make sense.
[10:12] <davegarath> Hi all, I have a little problem with nfs on ubuntu 12.04. I have to do strange conf: I have to mount a nfs share from the same server that export it ( sorry for my bad eng :P ). When I do I/O on the mounted nfs this hang and load average grows to 10
[10:28] <itarchitectkev> hey folks, I'm having fails on installing rabbitmq-server on 12.04. can haz helpz please?
[10:29] <itarchitectkev> I've purged, reran update, same errs: http://paste.openstack.org/show/39808/
[10:36] <jamespage> ScottK, OK - my understanding is that the exception in the licensing is signed off internally upstream; its just waiting for engineering resource to implement into the codebase
[10:43] <Niaobu> jamespage: I pasted that script into a new file in /etc/init and it seems to work. I rebooted and the temperature seems to stay at 70C which is lower, but still pretty useless. Do you have any other suggestions?
[10:44] <jamespage> Niaobu, hmm
[10:44] <jamespage> Niaobu, is it the CPU or GPU which is running hot?
[10:44] <jamespage> (sensors would tell you on most systems)
[10:44] <jamespage> reason I ask is I just tested that script on my old laptop with is also ATI based
[10:44] <jamespage> and it did the trick
[10:44] <ScottK> jamespage: If they could put an announcement on their web site or something, that would be enough.
[10:45] <jamespage> ScottK, ack - I'll see what can be done
[10:45] <Niaobu> gpu is running hot. the cpu is at about 40C
[10:46] <jamespage> Niaobu, hmm
[10:46] <jamespage> Niaobu, can you cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile please
[10:46] <jamespage> just to make sure the change did apply
[10:46] <Niaobu> it reads low
[10:47] <Niaobu> i havent done anything with drivers for the gfx card. this is a fresh ubuntu server 12.04 install
[10:54] <jamespage> Niaobu, might be a kernel difference - I'm using the 3.10 kernel on saucy
[10:55] <Niaobu> saucy is 13.04?
[10:56] <Niaobu> this seems to be 3.5.0
[10:57] <Niaobu> I'll try wirh 13.04 then
[10:57] <ivoks> saucy is 13.10
[11:06] <jamespage> Niaobu, its possible to install newer kernels on 12.04
[11:07] <Niaobu> oh, ok. I'll try that first then
[11:09] <jamespage> Niaobu, see linux-generic-lts-raring
[11:09] <jamespage> for example
[11:11] <Niaobu> ok. that's kernel 3.8, right?
[11:14] <Niaobu> installed 3.8 and rebooted. it rebooted at 70C, but i'll give it a couple of minutes
[11:21] <seiflotfy_> hi guys
[11:21] <seiflotfy_> i am trying to install ubuntu-minimal with a preseed
[11:21] <seiflotfy_> i am booting it as follows
[11:21] <seiflotfy_> linux vga=788 initrd=initrd.gz -- quiet preseed/url=http://some/path/to/preseed.cfg
[11:22] <seiflotfy_> first question: What happens if the url is not available?
[11:22] <seiflotfy_> nm that is answered now
[11:32] <Niaobu> jamespage: it's still at 70C
[11:33] <jamespage> Niaobu, not sure then - sorry...
[11:33] <Niaobu> no problem. thanks for your help
[11:34] <Niaobu> i'm almost at the point where I'm considering installing windows for the drivers and running ubuntu in a vm :/
[11:39] <jamespage> Niaobu, this is just running server right?
[11:39] <Niaobu> yeah.
[12:16] <Siebjee> Does any one know if you can see which data is going into /dev/null ?
[12:18] <asac> smoser: seems stuff is moving towards green again :) ... nice ... what was the reason for the server dashboard bustage?
[12:18] <asac> ah jamespage  :)
[12:18] <smoser> yeah, jamespage fixed that.
[12:18] <smoser> the ec2 tests still needt to be fixed
[12:26] <zul> jamespage:  we should probably rename the quantum jobs to neurtron
[12:26] <jamespage> zul, you got a plan for that yet?
[12:27] <jamespage> i.e. the name transition
[12:27] <jamespage> zul, has the upstream repo been renamed yet?
[12:27] <zul> jamespage:  i have a branch that renames everything for neutron that i had pending after the rename
[12:27] <zul> jamespage:  yes
[12:27] <zul> jamespage:  i was going to work on packaging things today btw
[12:27] <koolhead17> zul: jamespage & in next release all the pkg names will too get changed to neutorn?
[12:28] <jamespage> zul, good-oh
[12:28] <jamespage> koolhead17, yes
[12:28] <zul> koolhead17:  yes
[12:28] <zul> jamespage:  ill just need someone to review the MP when im ready
[12:29] <koolhead17> jamespage: zul cool. would be handy if a blog comes with existing & rename. :)
[12:29] <zul> koolhead17:  uh huh
[12:29] <jamespage> koolhead17, OKies
[12:29] <jamespage> we'll make sure that happens
[12:29] <koolhead17> thanks jamespage
[12:30] <koolhead17> zul: better start putting some post on your blog
[12:30]  * koolhead17 hides
[12:31] <smoser> utlemming, could you look at the ec2 tests sometime today. i'm looking  at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/ec2%20AMI%20Testing/view/Overview/job/raring-server-ec2-daily/ARCH=i386,REGION=us-east-1,STORAGE=ebs,TEST=simple-user-data,label=ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/73/console
[12:32] <smoser> and it appears to me that the trace there is from a version of ubuntu-server-ec2-testing that is in a PPA at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-ec2-testing-dev/+archive/testing/+packages
[12:33] <smoser> it also appears to me trunk (lp:ubuntu-server-ec2-testing) is fixed.
[12:33] <koolhead17> hola Daviey
[12:33] <smoser> so maybe all we need to do is upload a new version to the ppa and update whatever system is running that code
[12:42] <jamespage> zul, is the newer version of sqlalchemy in saucy going to break stuff in openstack?
[12:43] <zul> jamespage:  yes
[12:43] <zul> jamespage:  how do you think i get my fun then? :)
[12:43] <jamespage> zul, lol
[12:44] <koolhead17> ahem
[12:44] <koolhead17> i saw zigo<deb guy> coming up with some soln in the list, it seems
[12:50] <jamespage> zul, any objection if I do a mass update of branches for the lab so that the VCS fields point to the correct locations?
[12:50] <jamespage> (seeking a pre-ack)
[12:50] <zul> jamespage:  nope
[13:02] <jamespage> koolhead17, I can't see that?
[13:02] <jamespage> (re name changing)
[13:03] <koolhead17> jamespage: cool
[13:14] <zul> jamespage/roaksoax:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-neutronclient/rename/+merge/173715 (quantumclient renaming)
[13:16] <jamespage> zul, can you rebase that on the Vcs changes I just pushed please
[13:17] <jamespage> zul, also merged in infinities direct distro changes for glance and nova
[13:17] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[13:17] <jamespage> hopefully the Vcs fixes will prevent that happening going forwards
[13:18] <zul> jamespage:  done
[13:21] <jamespage> zul,  you need to add transitional packages no?
[13:21] <zul> jamespage:  do i?
[13:21] <zul> jamespage:  *sigh*
[13:21] <jamespage> zul, otherwise upgrades will break
[13:21] <zul> jamespage:  *sigh*
[13:21]  * zul shakes his fist
[13:23] <jamespage> zul, watch file also needs an update
[13:23] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[13:23] <jamespage> I think - I'm assuming they renamed the LP projects?
[13:24] <jamespage> rbasak, infinity fixed up the golang armhf headers issue with a patch
[13:25] <zul> jamespage:  done
[13:33] <zul> jamespage:  feel free to +1 neutronclient
[13:48] <rbasak> jamespage: ack. He's here at Linaro Connect - we've been talking about it.
[13:48] <rbasak> jamespage: there's more work needed if we need to backport golang 1.1. Do we need to do that?
[13:48] <jamespage> rbasak, good-oh - I also uploaded 1.1.1 post that fix to get things rolling with juju-core
[13:48] <jamespage> rbasak, yes we do
[13:49] <jamespage> (need to backport that is)
[13:58] <koolhead17> jamespage: can you point me testing repo 4 cloud archive
[13:58] <koolhead17> which has havana pkgs
[13:59] <jamespage> koolhead17, the cloud-archive is probably best place to go right now
[14:00] <jamespage> koolhead17, I pushed b1 into the updates pocket last night - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive
[14:00] <koolhead17> jamespage: am in openstack meeting & now openstack-doc becomes a project. so need to work on how release install doc same day havana comes out
[14:00] <jamespage> koolhead17, OK
[14:06] <jamespage> koolhead17, I remember committing to writing some docs for OpenStack + Ubuntu + Juju and reviewing the full install instructions in portland
[14:06] <jamespage> but I've not done anything yet
[14:06] <koolhead17> jamespage: well i have always done that but not with Juju :(
[14:07] <koolhead17> i will create new branch and start pushing install doc for havana/OS so the day havana releases we have a install doc
[14:09] <jamespage> zul, when will all project converge on using the neutronclient?
[14:10] <jamespage> we need to time uploads with that otherwise everything will break big time
[14:10] <zul> jamespage:  i think its starting now
[14:11] <jamespage> zul, we need to audit the repo's in the lab with whats in staging for havana/precise as well
[14:11] <jamespage> I'm assuming its got out of sync with all the new backports we are doing.
[14:11] <koolhead17> jamespage: zul just let me know when is the write time to start documenting havana based isntall steps
[14:11] <zul> jamespage:  projects have been renamed but things like nova are still using quantumclient
[14:13] <zul> jamespage:  yeah
[14:13] <zul> koolhead17:  yeah
[14:14] <zul> jamespage:  maybe we should add Provides: python-quantumclient as wel since things like nova hasnt been updated yet
[14:27] <jamespage> zul, yeah - but that won't work as the package namespace has changed internally
[14:27] <jamespage> nova will try to import 'quantum' and it won't find nothing
[14:27] <jamespage> so Provides: python-quantumclient != True
[14:27] <zul> jamespage:  frig
[14:28] <jamespage> zul, we could not add the transitional package right now
[14:28] <jamespage> and then we can manage it with both in the archive at the same time
[14:28] <jamespage> if that makes sense
[14:28] <zul> jamespage:  true
[14:28] <jamespage> once all deps on python-quantumclient have been switched, then add the transitional package for client tooling only upgrades
[14:29] <zul> jamespage:  ok ill drop the transitional stuff from my branch then and then re-added when stuff like nova gets updated
[14:30] <rbasak> jamespage: what do you think about bug subscriptions as mentioned in bug 1197896? These aren't really "server" packages per se - just dependencies of puppet. Do we usually step up and subscribe/manage bugs for packages like these?
[14:30] <jamespage> rbasak, yes
[14:31] <rbasak> jamespage: please can you subscribe ~ubuntu-server to those then please?
[14:32] <jamespage> rbasak, ack
[14:34] <jamespage> rbasak, done
[14:37] <rbasak> THanks!
[14:40] <zul> jamespage:  should be ok now
[14:42] <jamespage> zul, OK - one final thing I think
[14:42] <jamespage> Conflicts: python-quantumclient ( << 1:2.2.0-0ubuntu1 )
[14:42] <jamespage> Replaces: quantum-client, python-quantumclient ( << 1:2.2.0-0ubuntu1 )
[14:42] <jamespage> 1:2.2.0-0ubuntu1 -> 1:2.2.0-0ubuntu1~ otherwise we break stuff in the cloud-archive backports
[14:43] <jamespage> actually lemme think about that again
[14:43] <jamespage>  python-quantumclient ( <=1:2.2.0-0ubuntu1 )
[14:43] <jamespage> zul, I think thats right?
[14:43] <zul> jamespage:  looks like it
[14:44] <jamespage> it would be << 1:<IP_ADDRESS>.g037497d-0ubuntu1~
[14:44] <zul> gotcha
[14:46] <zul> jamespage:  pushed for review
[14:48] <jamespage> zul, apologies - you need to use Breaks/Replaces
[14:48] <jamespage> http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package
[14:48] <jamespage> rather than Conflicts/Replaces
[14:49] <zul> jamespage:  done
[14:50] <jamespage> zul, hrm double "<< <<"
[14:50] <jamespage> zul, can we drop the quantum-client from replaces as well?
[14:51] <zul> jamespage:  done
[15:01] <zul> jamespage:  we need a way to prevent tox from downloading stuff from the internet while running tests
[15:02] <jamespage> zul, egress filtering!
[15:03] <zul> jamespage:  nah i was thinking of patching tox.ini
[15:04] <jamespage> zul, yes - see MP
[15:04] <zul> jamespage:  cool thanks
[15:12] <Daviey> kirkland: There is a screen merge begging for your help btw.. :)
[15:21] <SpamapS> zul: PIP_INDEX_URL -> black hole
[15:21] <kirkland> Daviey: oh, lovely
[15:21] <kirkland> Daviey: has it been started yet?
[15:22] <zul> SpamapS/jamespage: ripped from python-tox http://paste.ubuntu.com/5858703/
[15:23] <SpamapS> zul: yeah, same difference :)
[15:25] <Daviey> kirkland: nope, we've been keeping it warm for you :-)
[15:25] <kirkland> Daviey: oh, thanks for saving it for me
[15:25] <kirkland> Daviey: I see it hasn't been touched in ages
[15:27] <Daviey> kirkland: Does the delta still make sense?
[15:35] <kirkland> Daviey: hopefully most of it can go away
[15:42] <jamespage> jdstrand, re bug 1187262; did my response about v8, embedding and potential attack surfaces make sense?
[15:44] <jdstrand> jamespage: yes, I thought I responded, I will do so now
[15:44] <jamespage> jdstrand, thanks
[16:00] <TheSov> I need a little help with logrotate, I have an ubuntu server and i needed to run logrotate on my syslogd, but it only runs correctly the first time, and syslog stops collecting data
[16:00] <TheSov> i dont think logrotate is properly restarting syslog
[16:09] <erictr1ck>  I'm trying up change the upload_max_filesize in Ubuntu 12.10 but no matter what I do it stays at 2M. I have changed upload_max_filesize in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini, and /etc/php5/cli/php.ini and also restarted apache. What could I be doing wrong?
[17:24] <mustafa> hi i have a problem with my www directory it says 550 permission denid whenever i want to transfer files to ...any idea
[17:29] <resno> what server you using?
[17:29] <resno> and what type of files?
[17:30] <resno> mustafa: ^
 yes ...have you got any solve for this
[17:31] <resno> i asked you questions above
 iam using ubuntu and any file (hole file ,img, etc....)
 using sftp over vsftpd
[17:33] <resno> where are you seeing the 550?
[17:34] <roasted> Hello friends. I noticed at home when pulling a large (1GB+) file over samba and wireless, my connection seems to continually drop halfway through. It just stalls and that's it. At work on the same machine, things are great. I'm beginning to wonder if it's something with my server (guess it could be my router too). Anybody have any insight to throw on the table?
[17:35] <wxl> roasted: anecdotally, i find that wireless is inconsistent over the long run. i betcha if you were wired, you'd have no problem
[17:35] <resno> basically
[17:35] <sarnold> mustafa: are you certain about sftp over vsftpd? I didn't think vsftpd did sftp...
[17:35] <roasted> wxl: I have no problems wired. and I agree with you, I just find it disturbing that *every* transfer I do over wireless at home, it tanks, but at work it's absolutely fine.
[17:35] <resno> sarnold: 550 is an apache error. right?
[17:36] <roasted> thing is, I find it foolish to go inside to plug in to pull a large ISO when I'm on the deck and planning to sit out there for another 3 hours anyway
[17:36] <sarnold> resno: sounds a bit like an internal server error, yeah
[17:36] <wxl> roasted: it is for this reason i don't really use wifi for production. i use it to set things up but that's about it.
[17:36] <sarnold> resno: oh! ftp error code, 550 Requested action not taken.
[17:36] <roasted> wxl: thanks, but that doesn't really get me anywhere closer to finding out what could be the root cause of this issue.
[17:37] <resno> sarnold: he said 550 permission denied
[17:37] <sarnold> resno: yeah. ftp error message.
[17:38] <resno> so what im trying to do is create a user that can do access root files, but no other root abilities
[17:38] <resno> this user will be for backing up using rsync
[17:40] <sarnold> resno: you could create a new user, set their shell to be the script that does the backup, set their uid to 0, and put an apparmor profile on their shell that grants "capability dac_read_search," and /** r, and the'll be able to read any file on the system but not load modules, modify files ,etc
[17:41] <sarnold> resno: you'll probably want to grant /usr/bin/rsync ix, and rsync might need write access somewhere too..
[17:41] <resno> sarnold: im presently going to login from a remote machine and doit.. does this still apply
[17:41] <sarnold> resno: yes
[17:41] <resno> cool
[18:15] <NomadJim> is this still a legit way to get the up to date version of node? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7214474/how-to-keep-up-with-the-latest-versions-of-nodejs-in-ubuntu-ppa-compiling
[18:16] <NomadJim> i meant - http://stackoverflow.com/a/7214700
[18:18] <zul> Daviey:  python-oslo.sphinx uploaded
[18:22] <Daviey> zul: ok, will review it either later tonight or tomorrow
[18:23] <zul> Daviey:  ack
[18:49] <zul> adam_g:  ill get keystoneclient 0.3.1 uploaded today
[18:49] <adam_g> zul, nice
[19:17] <Daviey> smoser: Any idea why I am seeing this, http://pb.daviey.com/Hx2F/ on a cloud image?
[19:18] <zul> adam_g/roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-keystoneclient/0.3.1/+merge/173795
[19:18] <smoser> no. that sucks.
[19:18] <smoser> utlemming, ^
[19:47] <cortexman> i'm having a hard time getting Lucid to take a static ip address. i've got precise doing it using just the network settings gui
[19:48] <cortexman> however lucid keeps getting a dynamic ip. in precise I had to add sudo dhclient eth0 to /etc/rc.local. i did the same in lucid, and I also specified the ip, netmask and gateway
[19:49] <cortexman> in precise dhclient causes it to work. in lucid dhclient changes the static ip seen in ifconfig to a dynamic ip
[19:49] <cortexman> anyone?
[21:09] <mgw> is there a tool for querying dhcp for an available IP without actually taking out a lease?
[21:11] <sarnold> mgw: if I'm reading page #13 correctly ... http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2131.txt
[21:11] <sarnold> mgw: .. a DHCPDISCOVER without a followup DHCPREQUEST is more or less what you want
[21:12] <mgw> sarnol: thanks
[21:12] <mgw> sarnold: ^
[21:12] <mgw> as an alternative, how can I ensure that once a lease has been obtained, the IP will not change?
[21:12] <mgw> which is my actual goal
[21:13] <sarnold> configure your dhcp server for insanely long lease times?
[21:13] <mgw> will that persist over a dhcp server restart?
[21:13] <sarnold> some will, yeah
[21:14] <mgw> I was going to use OMAPI to create host objects
[21:14] <mgw> But then I have the problem of finding a free IP
[21:20] <mgw> sarnold: I've also seen some mixed info on whether host objects created with OMAPI will survive a dhcpd restart; do you know?
[21:20] <sarnold> mgw: sorry, well outside of my experience :)
[21:22] <mgw> sarnold: np, thanks!
[22:00] <theazman_> Hi everyone, I'm looking for a web based onenote replacement that we can host on our servers. We have to be able to drag and drop photos in? Any suggestions? I have looked at a ton of them.
[22:01] <e-DIO-t> theazman_ evernote ?
[22:01] <e-DIO-t> ah no, evernote's not web based .
[22:10] <Corey> e-DIO-t: It can be!
[22:10] <Corey> You just can't self host it.
[22:13] <sarnold> theazman: look for CMSes with 'drag and drop content" on cmsmatrix.org ..
[22:27] <cortexman> I have tried /etc/modules, /etc/modprobe.conf, /etc/modprobe/alsa_dummy.conf, yet I cannot get ubuntu to load a set of kernel modules on reboot.
[22:27] <cortexman> anyone?
[23:52] <delinquentme> FOAR all those in here who would consider themselves hardcore server maintainers ... Any chance someone might have compiled a list of ReallyBadIdeas™  double points for anything specific to ubuntu
[23:52] <delinquentme> I've got a server which has grown organically ... and I know what I"m used to seeing ... but I need to pick out what things are actually critical issues vrs non-compliant
[23:52] <sarnold> delinquentme: if I see one more person recommending "chmod -R 777 ..." as a solution or troubleshooting tip, I think I'll go mental...
[23:53] <sarnold> aha :)
[23:53] <delinquentme> hahah
[23:53] <delinquentme> this is true
[23:53] <delinquentme> surely there is a script which I could run which would just go through every file and report back what is chmodded as 777
[23:54] <delinquentme> ... im thinking that would be a pipe to find or locate?
[23:54] <sarnold> I think find / -perm 777   would do it
[23:55] <sarnold> oh heck, that also finds symlinks. oops.
[23:55] <delinquentme> sarnold, i've never seen the / before
[23:55] <Pici> find takes a path as the first argument
[23:56] <delinquentme> oh hio Pici o/
[23:56] <delinquentme> just OOC has anyone taken a toll of what kind of applications you guys here are deploying?
[23:57] <delinquentme> Soo what files SHOULD be 777
[23:57] <sarnold> yay on my system, find / -mode 777 -type f     and find -mode 777 -type d   both return no results :) that'd be a decent enough period check...
[23:58] <sarnold> delinquentme: just about nothing; /tmp is going to be 1777, sticky bit set, and perhaps other dirs should be the same..
[23:59] <sarnold> sigh, not -mode. stupid brain makes for lousy copy-and-paste :)