[19:20] <utdmr> ok thanks. i'll wait updates. And highly possible i'll ask more questions about kde4. thanks for your quick reply.
[19:20] <mefisto__> ActionParsni1: make sure you have only one flash plugin listed in about:plugins in firefox
[19:21] <ActionParsni1> mefisto__: i've none
[19:24] <mefisto__> ActionParsni1: how did you get the .so ?
[19:24] <Trijntje> Hi all. I have an Acer aspire 5100 laptop with kubuntu 8.04. When i play a movie (flas, .avi etc) on my laptop the image lags after a few minutes. Does anyone know what could cause this problem?
[19:25] <ActionParsni1> download from adobe.com, extract, copy
[19:25] <CyborgNRW> !de
[19:25] <CyborgNRW> !de
[19:26] <ActionParsni1> mefisto__: got it dude, just installed from repo after getting the archive extracted
[19:32] <lorana> no no no
[19:34] <`n> hi im looking for a program to share the clipboard betwean windows and linux
[19:47] <rdeva> How do I find out if my wireless card (Broadcom 4311) is working?  It isn't scanning for any networks
[19:47] <DaSkreech> !wifi
[19:47] <DaSkreech> !broadcom
[19:48] <rdeva> I don't see anything for intrepid
[19:48] <rdeva> i have already downloaded b43-fwcutter
[19:49] <rdeva> !wifi
[19:49] <marcel> how can i specify pascal units with gpc please ?
[19:57] <lj> how do i change my name on here?
[19:58] <divyesh> join: /ubuntu
[19:58] <desu> lj: /nick
[19:59] <divyesh> join: /fedora
[19:59] <divyesh> :S
[19:59] <divyesh> divyesh: /diablo
[19:59] <mefisto__> divyesh: /join #fedora
[19:59] <divyesh> kk
[19:59] <heinkel_111> does kubuntu modify the /etc/fstab automatically?
[20:00] <maco> heinkel_111: in what situations?
[20:00] <L0Customs> thanks desu
[20:00] <heinkel_111> maco, I don't know exactly when it might have happened
[20:00] <maco> heinkel_111: well i mean, it'll write a custom one during install of course...
[20:00] <L0Customs> its been like 10 yrs since iv been on irc
[20:01] <heinkel_111> maco, I have 3 disk partitions of type vfat and ntfs and they all suddenly seem to be mounted with umask = 007
[20:01] <heinkel_111> maco, that is opposite of james bond i think.. james bond can do anything, umask 007 can do nothing, right?
[20:02] <heinkel_111> maco...I cant figure out why I should want untouchable disks???
[20:02] <White_Pelican> in what channel can I get help with Kmail?
[20:02] <heinkel_111> maco. and also i get gid=46, i think that is plugdeb
[20:02] <heinkel_111> sry plugdev
[20:03] <maco> heinkel_111: mask 007  is the same as having 770 permissions
[20:03] <maco> i thnk
[20:03] <maco> White_Pelican: here
[20:03]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[20:03] <ubaldo> hola
[20:03] <ubaldo> hay hispanos aqui??
[20:03] <mefisto__> !es
[20:03] <White_Pelican> ok, in the kmail for kde 4.2, is there any way to set up getting my mail from my yahoo account?
[20:04] <maco> White_Pelican: do you have a for-pay yahoo account?
[20:04] <maco> White_Pelican: yahoo only lets you use pop or imap if you pay them moneys
[20:04] <maco> they basically hold your emails under ransom...
[20:04] <White_Pelican> oh never mind then
[20:05] <White_Pelican> I take freebies only :)
[20:05] <maco> gmail has free pop & imap...
 hello, I have this problem...  my machine can be restarted without a problem... but whenever I shutdown ( either system or button ) it won't start back... last time I got it started again magickally after one day or so after lots of tries... now it has been several weeks... what shall I do? there's allways some disk activity and the leds are on, but not even GRUB...
[20:05] <White_Pelican> I have gmail too
[20:06] <White_Pelican> I use it exclusively in kde 3.5
[20:06] <White_Pelican> was just testing kde 4.2
[20:06] <mefisto__> White_Pelican: you could set up gmail to handle your yahoo mail and use kmail to access it all
[20:06] <mefisto__> White_Pelican: at least I think you can do that with yahoo
[20:07] <White_Pelican> oh?
[20:07] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[20:08] <astromme> I think that would require forwarding all of your yahoo mail to google
[20:08] <astromme> s/to google/to your gmail/
[20:08] <astromme> which is fine
[20:08] <astromme> but also means you can't send email from your yahoo unless you login to it
[20:08] <astromme> because no pop access.
[20:09] <White_Pelican> ah
[20:09] <White_Pelican> that's sad but predictable
[20:09] <White_Pelican> it is after all Microsoft owned
[20:09] <White_Pelican> from what I understand
[20:09] <astromme> err... because no smtp access. /shrug
[20:09] <astromme> Nope, yahoo is still yahoo
[20:09] <astromme> but msn/hotmail does the same thing
[20:09] <White_Pelican> true
[20:10] <astromme> except (interstingly) they custom build in a solution to outlook so that you can use the free account with it iirc
[20:10] <White_Pelican> at least gmail, if you'' pardon the pun, "got the message"
[20:10] <White_Pelican> :)
[20:10] <astromme> yep =)
[20:10] <White_Pelican> you mean outlook depressed? hehe
[20:10] <toor_56> lustre
[20:10] <astromme> I use a couple of email accounts (uni, uni's computer department, gmail, gmail personal, personal server) and all of them are IMAP/SMTP
[20:10] <astromme> So wonderfull
[20:11] <astromme> DIMAP on my laptop, so I always have my mail
[20:11] <White_Pelican> great aint it?
[20:11] <ActionParsni1> !upgrade
[20:11]  * astromme would never go back to pop unless he was forced to
[20:11] <maco> mefisto__: you cant setup autoforwarding in yahoo to get them all to gmail. and since free yahoo lacks pop, gmail cant automatically pull them all.
[20:11] <maco> White_Pelican: you too ^
[20:11] <s0101> whats the adress for ubuntu channel?
[20:12] <mefisto__> maco: ok
[20:12] <maco> s0101: #ubuntu
[20:12] <White_Pelican> ty maco
[20:12] <s0101> cheers
[20:12] <BluesKaj> heh, my ISP changed ti hotmail and msn ...the pop mail is pophm , instead od pop1,2 or 3 or whatever ,and the smtp1 has now become smtphm ...but i retained my right to a pop3 and smtp1  setup for my email
[20:12] <White_Pelican> good to know
[20:12] <White_Pelican> btw, I'm running intrpid with 4.2 using vbox
[20:12] <White_Pelican> I can't switch yet
[20:13] <fw1> kde 4.2 isn't very fast
[20:13] <fw1> looks good
[20:13] <White_Pelican> but, I set up a shared folder and imported my address book
[20:13] <White_Pelican> went without a hitch
[20:13] <White_Pelican> I'm assuming I can import my filters as well?
[20:13] <uga> BluesKaj: that's cheap
[20:13] <uga> and you pay them?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> wine is causing a few probs in kde4.2 ..and compiz as well ..had a bad freeze up yesterday
[20:14] <syockit> I wonder why some people got their kde4.2 slow
[20:14] <White_Pelican> what kind of problems, BluesKaj ?
[20:14] <syockit> forgot to enable dri or something?
[20:14] <maco> syockit: mine feels slow
[20:14] <uga> BluesKaj: I guess next time you'll be forwarded to the internet through an advertising based isp provider
[20:15] <maco> syockit: kde 4.2 is about as slow as gnome w/ compiz
[20:15] <uga> BluesKaj: btw, compiz???
[20:15] <uga> kde 4 doesn't use compiz
[20:15] <uga> well, you don't need to, and I think it's safer not to use it
[20:15] <maco> uga: no, not kde using compiz
[20:15] <BluesKaj> uga , I still have my orirginal mailsetup, it's just that any new customers are forced into the hotmail which is actually webmail..no I don't pay for hotmail
[20:15] <maco> gnome+compiz and kde4.2+kwin are the same speed
[20:15] <astromme> honestly, there is still a painting issue when resizing windows. it only seems to happen with toplevel windows and it's quite annoying.
[20:15] <uga> BluesKaj: phew, better =)
[20:16] <syockit> yup, anyways if you don't do tunings for the compositing, chances are you'd get slower gui
[20:16] <BluesKaj> I just pay for internet service
[20:16] <maco> astromme: its not just with resizing
[20:17] <maco> changing tabs in a preferences dialog or moving your mouse over checkboxes causes the text to jump around on top of itself and sometimes checkboxes' text is solidly blacked out
[20:17] <astromme> maco: what else is slow repainting?
[20:17] <uga> uhmm... I haven't hit any issues on either nvidia or intel for a long while
[20:17] <astromme> maco: I don't have any of those problems
[20:17] <maco> astromme: not "slow repainting" rather "not repainting correctly at all"
[20:17] <uga> but that's with self built from source
[20:17] <maco> astromme: intrepid or jaunty?
[20:17] <astromme> uga: Try this for me: Go to resize a window. Make it small, then make it large quickly. See the "blank space" before the window redraws itself?
[20:18] <astromme> maco: Jaunty, but the issue has been with me since November of 07 with the alphas. It happens with Intel and NVidia drivers
[20:18] <maco> astromme: i'm on jaunty too, and kmail's preferences dialogs dont redraw right by a long stretch
[20:18] <astromme> maco: Happens with Qt only apps like designer and assistant
[20:18] <astromme> maco: and also with kde apps
[20:19] <uga> astromme: not on the window. certain app like quassel  take some time relayouting, but I dont' think it's a repainting issue. It shows gray on the border if I do that
[20:19] <astromme> maco: Give me a screenshot.
[20:19] <uga> astromme: that also depends on the resizing mode you have though
[20:19] <Trijntje> does anyone know what can cause a movie to lag after a few minutes?
[20:19] <astromme> uga: This is a definite slowness in resizing. It could be in painting or layouting or whatever, but it is not what should be happening
[20:20] <fw1> how can i make kde 4.2 faster?
[20:20] <uga> astromme: could be. relayouting got nothing to do with gfx card though, I believe
[20:21] <astromme> uga: sure, but who cares if it's with the graphics card or not, it's still a problem that doesn't exsist with other toolkits. (See osx and vista's toolkits for examples)
[20:21] <astromme> and gtk doesn't usually have the problem either (although it can)
[20:22] <syockit> I'd rather the window do not dynamically redraw while resizing
[20:22] <syockit> I'd like it to redraw only after I let go of the mouse button
[20:23] <astromme> syockit: Out of curiosity, why?
[20:23] <uga> astromme: it does matter, if you want to report the issue to the correct place
[20:24] <uga> astromme: and well... I wonder how you managed to run osx and vista under  Xorg, for being able to compare speeds of _toolkits_
[20:24] <astromme> uga: you can run Qt on OSX and Vista you know
[20:24] <syockit> because I won't really care how it'd look like while resizing
[20:24] <syockit> but people do have different thoughts
[20:24] <uga> astromme: yes, but you don't run them under xwindows, and using compiz/kwin
[20:25] <uga> so you really cannot tell where the slowness comes from
[20:25] <astromme> syockit: It allows me to "preview" if the size I want is right for i.e. certain widths and text elements. And it lets me (as a developer) do resizes that are smooth if I want.
[20:25] <uga> astromme: or do you  mean those kde apps are also slow under windows?
[20:25] <syockit> astromme: qt on vista/osx doesn't have the problem?
[20:26] <mefisto__> Trijntje: could be many things. badly encoded file maybe?
[20:26] <maco> astromme: http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~mac/files/kmail-redraw.png
[20:26] <astromme> Meh, I don't remember offhand. I'm pretty sure it does have the problem
[20:26] <astromme> maco: that' look like gtk-qt-engine problem
[20:27] <astromme> Why are you using a gnome style if I may ask?
[20:28] <astromme> uga: do you have the same issues with Qt windows under X11?
[20:28] <maco> astromme: im using cleanlooks. trying to make the kde and gnome apps not look ridiculous together
[20:28] <judaz> hey
[20:28] <astromme> maco: I use the gtk oxygen style
[20:28] <judaz> how can I upgrade intrepid to jaunty in a fresh install kubuntu-intrepid?
[20:29] <maco> judaz: do-release-upgrade -d
[20:29] <judaz> maco: awesome.. thanx!
[20:29] <maco> judaz: as root
[20:29] <judaz> maco: done.. upgrading
[20:29] <`n> hi im looking for a program to share the clipboard betwean windows and linux
[20:30] <astromme> `n: Across 2 computers? Synergy2 (synergy2.sf.net)
[20:31] <uga> astromme: not the ones you mentioned
 ah ok i will test it thx
[20:32] <uga> astromme: I said only few apps, with very loaded guis (like quassel) have relayouting issues
[20:32] <aboSamoor> Hi, I just installed KDE 4.2. And I want to ask how can I make Firefox more integrated. The tabs are looking weird. any hints ?
[20:32] <astromme> uga: What apps are you using now that don't have issues?
[20:33] <maco> aboSamoor: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[20:33] <astromme> Every app I have open atm has issues. Quassel, Konqueror, qtcreator, kdevelop4, linuxdc++ (gnome), amarok, Kmail/Kontact,
[20:34] <Trijntje> mefisto__ I dont think so, it also lags on flash video's etc
[20:34] <astromme> (by issues I mean the resizing/redrawing/relayouting whatever it is issues)
[20:34] <fw1> i think i will try kde4.2.faster
[20:34] <uga> astromme: konqueror? kword? kate? konsole?
[20:34] <maco> astromme: also, because i like cleanlooks/clearlooks.
[20:34] <uga> astromme: it's easier to list those that have issues than those that don0t
[20:34] <mefisto__> Trijntje: graphics driver?
[20:34] <Sp0tKubuntu> Is KDE 4.2 out officiel?
[20:34] <astromme> uga: I agree
[20:35] <astromme> Sp0tKubuntu: Yes. Is Kubuntu out with a 4.2 version official? No.
[20:35] <uga> astromme: it's all down to how the app handles data for redrawing
[20:35] <maco> jaunty has it....
[20:35] <uga> it's not the toolkit that is sloe
[20:35] <Sp0tKubuntu> astromme: Ok
[20:35] <uga> s/sloe/slow
[20:35] <syockit> here's hoping qt4.5 would clear the problem
[20:35] <astromme> maco: but jaunty is not officially released at the moment.
[20:35] <fw1> kde 4.2 from the topic link is interesting
[20:36] <maco> astromme: true
[20:36] <fw1> but i am going back to gnome
[20:36] <Sp0tKubuntu> astromme: But there is a KDE 4.2 out? But not finished yet?
[20:36] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: kde 4.2 is officially released. no finished ubutnu releases have it yet.
[20:36] <astromme> uga: Kate has issues for me. Konsole does, and KWord does. I'm trying on both my Nvidia desktop (6600GT) and Intel Laptop (X3100)
[20:36] <astromme> fw1: =/. What's up/wrong?
[20:36] <Trijntje> mefisto__ I don't know, how could i check that?
[20:37] <fw1> astromme: its so, very slow
[20:37] <astromme> fw1: what do you mean by slow? And are you on NVidia?
[20:37] <fw1> its also set my default dpi to 120 i think
[20:37] <syockit> i didn't know there was ui.allow_platform_file_picker option
[20:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: I Dont understand? I have Kubuntu, not Ubuntu, but is Kubuntu Ubuntu, just with KDE?
[20:37] <fw1> astromme: yes i am
[20:37] <maco> fw1: is that why the text looks huge?!
[20:37] <astromme> fw1: You can change that in appearance settings if you wish.
[20:37] <fw1> oh its nvidia's fault?
[20:37] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: yes, kubuntu just means ubuntu with kde
[20:38] <syockit> Sp0tKubuntu: you kinda got that correct
[20:38] <uga> astromme: have you tried the nvidia settings for glyph cache etc?
[20:38] <uga> astromme: nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1
[20:38] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: and one more letter to type :P
[20:38] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: I have KDE 4.1 i can see when i boot up, but witch software sources can i find KDE 4.2 then?
[20:38] <fw1> astromme: oh, hmmm sigh, so is there a fix?
[20:38] <mefisto__> Trijntje: what graphics card do you have? if it's ati or nvidia, kmenu > system > hardware drivers to enable
[20:38] <astromme> fw1: yes, older NVidia drivers are terrible in Qt with cards like 8xxx and 9xxx
[20:38] <ghostcube> the 180.x drivers enable the glyphcache by default
[20:39] <fw1> I have a quatro 2 go
[20:39] <astromme> I have 180 drivers (I'm on Jaunty)
[20:39] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: youd have to use the unstable development release
[20:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Ok, im a little confused, im new in linux :-)
[20:39] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: im guessing you dont want to do that
[20:39] <ghostcube> but its still buggy espacially with compiz and loose-bindings :|
[20:39] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: then you DEFINITELY dont want to do that
[20:39] <fw1> not sure what model it is
[20:39] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Correct, but then what? Will there be a KDE 4.2 for me sometime soon then?
[20:39] <ghostcube> fw1, so do you use the 177 drivers ?
[20:39] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: in april when jaunty releases, itll include it
[20:40] <fw1> ghostcube: yep
[20:40] <ghostcube> you can just update them by installing nvidia-glx-180
[20:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: That i have tried, to install unsupportet things, bad thing for a new linux user
[20:40] <Trijntje> mefisto__: It's ATI, its enabled
[20:40] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: just be patient
[20:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Ok, cool! Thanks alot! :-)
[20:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Im patient, just courious
[20:41] <Sp0tKubuntu> :-)
[20:41] <ghostcube> fw1, and i can give u the repo of Scottk he has an new xorg-common without the patch in the officially released
[20:41] <ghostcube> it fastens things up IMHO
[20:41] <astromme> Sp0tKubuntu: There's a bunch of hype surrounding 4.2, it's natural to be curious
[20:41] <Desi_Muna> hey
[20:41] <uga> 4.3 is cool too
[20:41] <uga> :P
[20:41] <White_Pelican> 4.3?
[20:41] <Desi_Muna> how can i updates from terminal
[20:41] <aboSamoor> I used the published kde 4.2 repository in kubuntu website, but now I got amarok with KDE 3.5 ?!
[20:41] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Another thing about KDE, there is no "Magic Cube Desptop" in KDE 4.1? Only for 4.2?
[20:41] <maco> Desi_Muna: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[20:42] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: no idea. i never used 4.1. i started using kde yesterday
[20:42] <maco> <-- gnome-user, cheating on her usual desktop
[20:42] <syockit> uga: what's new in kde trunk?
[20:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: I know, just to say im not unpatient :D
[20:42] <uga> White_Pelican: people was already working on 4.3 before 4.2 was released
[20:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Ahh ok, welcome to the jungle then :-D
[20:42] <White_Pelican> oic :)
[20:42] <uga> syockit: appart from brokenness you mean? ;)
[20:42] <Desi_Muna> maco
[20:42] <White_Pelican> can't wait till summer ot see it :)
[20:42] <syockit> uga: me wants new features
[20:43] <maco> Desi_Muna: yes?
[20:43] <Desi_Muna> i can't see its updating in terminal
[20:43] <maco> Desi_Muna: what?
[20:43] <fw1> that is cool 180 nvidia packaged! very nice!
[20:43] <syockit> Sp0tKubuntu: cube's not on 4.1. I don't think it will backported
[20:43] <White_Pelican> so far the only thing that kmail for 3.5.10 doesn't export i the distribution lists
[20:43] <White_Pelican> oh well
[20:43] <Desi_Muna> Reading package lists... Done
[20:43] <Desi_Muna> i am going to pm u
[20:43] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Backported? My english is not that good
[20:43] <uga> syockit: don't bother, unless you want to code. You'll only find new bugs
[20:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Sorry, not you
[20:44] <maco> Sp0tKubuntu: i didnt say backported, but it means when they take something from a new release and patch it into an old release so you can play with it without installing a whole new release
[20:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> syockit: Backported?
[20:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: My bad :-) Sorry
[20:45] <ghostcube> fw1, you can try the unpatched xorg server as well if it works better
[20:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> maco: Thanks for explayning :-)
[20:46] <syockit> Sp0tKubuntu: yeah, basically what marco said. when there's a thing in the newer version that seems important enough to be released to users of older version, they try to patch the older version to include it
[20:46] <mike1312> How to turn off session blocking when switching back
[20:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> syockit:  And thanks to you to :-)
[20:47] <astromme> mike1312: you mean where you have to enter your password to unlock the session?
[20:47] <s0101> does anybody know the link for the ubuntu channel?
[20:47] <astromme> mike1312: do you have 4.2 or 4.2?
[20:47] <astromme> s0101:  #ubuntu
[20:47] <s0101> cheers mate
[20:47] <mike1312> astromme: Yes
[20:47] <astromme> whoops, 4.2 or 4.1
[20:47] <syockit> mike1312: what's session blocking? Is it the password prompt after resuming from suspend?
[20:47] <mike1312> astromme  4.1
[20:48] <astromme> mike1312: I'm not sure how to do it in 4.1. It's in the Power Management settings under Advanced in the settings manager but you need powerdevil, which isn't included by default in 4.1
[20:48] <mike1312> syockit  When switching between two sessions
[20:50] <ozymandias3> can kde3.5 be installed on 8.10?
[20:51] <syockit> ozymandias3: normally, no. There are unwarranted methods of installing though
[20:51] <maco> ozymandias3: if you dont mind going all gentoo on it....
[20:51] <ozymandias3> *pulls hair out*
[20:51] <syockit> mike1312: not sure if there's an option specific for changing sessions
[20:51] <mike1312> astromme  thanks but I idnt find it hellow from Russia
[20:52] <fw1_> hi, ok 180 nvidia driver is much better
[20:52] <linuxtest> hello, my firefox does not recognize any file associations in kubuntu. How do i fix this? I need it to recognize that it can open pdfs with okular etc
[20:52] <astromme> fw1_: Good to hear
[20:52] <mike1312> syockit I didnt find configuring tool for this
[20:52] <fw1_> its still not as fluid as i would have hoped, but nevermind
[20:53] <alarm> hey there. i got two questions :) first one. how do i set the taskbar never to group similar windows and set this option as default (kde4.2)
[20:53] <linuxtest> also how do i add a samba printer with kde4?
[20:53] <kpblc> hello. is there a known issue with knetworkmanager in kubuntu 8.10? it doesn't allow me to set network configuration manually, but dhcp works fine. please, help me. and sorry for my english :)
[20:54] <fw1_> my mouse pad is very very slow, where can i increase the sensitivity?
[20:54] <maco> linuxtest: edit -> preferences
[20:55] <maco> linuxtest: applications
[20:55] <maco> linuxtest: then pick a file type and set the app to use on the right
[20:56] <linuxtest> maco: thanks
[20:57] <alarm> when pluging my external ntfs drive (usb) on kubuntu 8.10 i get this error "kubuntu 8.10 an error occurred while accessing the system responded: org.freedesktop.HAL.device.volume.unknownfailure"....  and i cannot access its content
[20:57] <kpblc> helllllooooo... can anyone help?
[20:58] <Trijntje> fw1_ Kmenu ->systemsettings -> keybord and mouse
[20:58] <incorrect> Trijntje: slight problem there doesn't seem to be a sensitivity option
[20:58] <maco> incorrect: lemme fine it
[21:00] <maco> incorrect: http://jann.is/daily/archives/823-Kubuntu-8.10-beta-KDE-4.1-synaptics-TouchPad-problem.html
[21:00] <incorrect> lol my touch pad is like dragging my figure through mud
[21:01] <incorrect> my scrolling works, its just slow
[21:02]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[21:04] <ubuntu_> Hello, can someeone please link me somewhere to find out what manager for Linux would be best for me....Like a site that compares.....Im used to gnome, But I have heard that its not the best.
[21:04] <incorrect> its the sensitivity, i don't see any options just for a basic mouse
[21:04] <alarm> ubuntu_,  gnome and kde is what is most popular
[21:04] <Desi_Muna> how can i orginize upgrade?
[21:04] <alarm> if u are used to gnome why changing ?
[21:04] <Desi_Muna> aptitude upgrade looks messy
[21:04] <Trijntje> incorrect: there is an option 'acceleration', doesnt that work?
[21:05] <Desi_Muna> can't be new line after each update list?
[21:05] <Desi_Muna> its hard to read stuffs from list
[21:05] <ubuntu_> alarm: is there a big differnece in performace?
[21:06] <alarm> i have the sensetion that gnome is more lightweight
[21:06] <alarm> and "maybe" less buggy
[21:07] <Desi_Muna> can anyone help??
[21:07] <incorrect> sweet, found it!
[21:07] <incorrect> oh firefox looks ugly now
[21:07] <malv> kde 4.2 rocks my world. except dragon player can't seem to skip forward in a movie when i press either <-- or -->
[21:08] <malv> what's up with that?
[21:08] <pepo> hola
[21:08] <alarm> malv go for mplayer or vlc
[21:08] <Trijntje> incorrect: is your mouse ok now?
[21:08] <malv> also, it stammers when two videos are open
[21:08] <Desi_Muna> why aptitude upgrade doesn't look good?
[21:08] <incorrect> Trijntje: just about
[21:08] <ubuntu_> alarm: so gnome is more lightwieght(So in theory should be faster)....And "less" buggy, (Which I'm sure is arguable lol)......So gnome would be a good choice? if im used to it?....I have heard KDE was alot more customiziable.
[21:09] <malv> gnome is less buggy than kde
[21:09] <malv> but gnome doesn't move
[21:09] <alarm> malv yeap, thats what i also think
[21:09] <maco> does anyone know if it's possible to force aptitude's update list to have one package per line like how yum does? Desi_Muna likes yum's formatting better and i cant find help in aptitude's manpage
[21:09] <alarm> ubuntu_,  kde is more 'eye candy'
[21:09] <shadowhywind>  I am trying to mount a 1.3TB partition, everytime i try the console freezes aanyone have any ideas?
[21:09] <malv> a major update for gnome is a new button
[21:09] <incorrect> malv: gnome 2 has been at gnome 2 for like 6-7 years now
[21:09] <alarm> more customizable i dont think so
[21:09] <maco> ubuntu_: kde has many many more options, yes.
[21:10] <ubuntu_> Ok.
[21:10] <malv> given how little gnome changes I do get upset when I do find a bug
[21:10] <ubuntu_> Thank you both for answering my questions and your time :).
[21:10] <alarm> the good thing with kde is you will find more K-apps without needing the gnome libraries
[21:10] <donny> ciao a tutti
[21:10] <alarm> give it a try and if you dont like it you can still change it
[21:10] <malv> quite surprised as how well kde 4.2 works considering how much has changed
[21:10] <alarm> i just learned with kde and stayed with it
[21:10] <incorrect> is there a version of firefox using qt?
[21:10] <giz> bongiorno donny
[21:10] <malv> but it's still considerably buggy, at least from my experience
[21:11] <malv> not grandma-grade yet
[21:11] <donny> ciao giz.....  veramente qui sono le 22.10 :)
[21:11] <Desi_Muna> hey how can i use yum to work in ubuntu?
[21:11] <malv> why?
[21:12] <mefisto__> incorrect: no
[21:12] <donny> i want sleep
[21:12] <Trijntje> does anyone have any tips on debugging laggy video (flash, avi, etc)on kubuntu 8.04?
[21:12] <incorrect> is konq better than it used to be?
[21:13] <mefisto__> incorrect: as a browser, it's a little better, faster
[21:13] <senorpedro> hi folsk
[21:13] <senorpedro> folks
[21:13] <senorpedro> how can i make firefox not look like s***t in kubuntu 8.10?
[21:13] <syockit> but it still won't render my pages correctly
[21:13] <senorpedro> i just installed it and it seems it has no gtk theme applied
[21:13] <alarm> senorpedro,  install gtk-engine for kde4
[21:13] <syockit> senorpedro: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[21:14] <incorrect> kopete is a bit better than it used to be
[21:14] <mefisto__> senorpedro: there's a firefox theme you could try
[21:14] <alarm> ok syockit  gave the complete answer , follow the instructions !
[21:14] <White_Pelican> wht improvements have been mae to kopete?
[21:14] <alarm> White_Pelican,  they made it worse
[21:14] <alarm> its just dissapointing !!!!!!!
[21:14] <mefisto__> senorpedro: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[21:14] <White_Pelican> oh dear
[21:14] <White_Pelican> define worse
[21:14] <maco> senorpedro:
[21:15] <maco> senorpedro: http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[21:15] <alarm> White_Pelican,  msn transfer wasnt fixed
[21:15] <alarm> irc protocol was removed
[21:15] <syockit> I wish someone taught me that earlier. now im all opera
[21:15] <mefisto__> no one has deliberately made anything worse. kde4 is still quite new
[21:15] <White_Pelican> what about yahell transfer?
[21:16] <White_Pelican> I used to use opera but went back to firefox
[21:16] <alarm> the files are being transfered with 1,2 kb /s
[21:16] <alarm> thats not transfering , thats wasting time
[21:16] <White_Pelican> but it works finally? that's my point
[21:17] <alarm>  White_Pelican  if 1,2kb/s is working for you, the yes it works. i want to make use of my bandwidth
[21:17] <White_Pelican> file transfers on the old kopete for kde 3.5.10 doesn't even work on Yahoo
[21:17] <alarm> still same
[21:17] <senorpedro> how can i make kde4.2 stop flickering?
[21:18] <alarm> they dont work even now i think
[21:18] <senorpedro> it flickers every 4 secs or so
[21:18] <White_Pelican> dang it
[21:18] <senorpedro> its annoying
[21:18] <Desi_Muna> how can i upgrade to KDE 4.2 ?
[21:18] <incorrect> can konversation do spell checking on what i type?
[21:18] <alarm> White_Pelican,  best solution is amsn , i was using kopete for 2 years , no i just left it aside , dissapointing job
[21:18] <White_Pelican> what about pidgin?
[21:18] <astromme> senorpedro: System Settings -> Advanced -> Services -> Disabled "XRANDR monitor detection" or something like that
[21:18] <astromme> senorpedro: you might have to relog/restart X
[21:19] <alarm> pidgin is a good multi protocol app. thats what i use under windows where i dont want to have 23123908 apps . no camera support
[21:19] <alarm> install them and see what suits you well. i just use xchat and amsn on linux and get better support on my needs
[21:19] <senorpedro> astromme: thx buddy
[21:20] <giz> hi all someone know why a package would be kept back?
[21:21] <maco> giz: it has a dependency that hasnt hit the repo yet, most likely
[21:22] <giz> ah ok thanks, I thought it was because of my recent repo switch to kubuntu from ubuntu main
[21:22] <senorpedro> ok, flickering stopped :)
[21:22] <mefisto__> incorrect: konversation can do spell checking
[21:22] <maco> there's no repo switch involved...
[21:23] <senorpedro> why's resizing kde3 apps so slow?
[21:23] <alarm> how can i make similar windows not to group on the taskbar (as default for all windows) on kde4
[21:23] <senorpedro> how can i make the panel auto-hide?
[21:23] <senorpedro> how can i set konqueror as default file manager?
 hello, I have this problem...  my machine can be restarted without a problem... but whenever I shutdown ( either system or button ) it won't start back... last time I got it started again magickally after one day or so after lots of tries... now it has been several weeks... what shall I do? there's allways some disk activity and the leds are on, but not even GRUB...
[21:23] <senorpedro> is amarok2 not integrated in kubuntu 8.10?
[21:24] <giz> maco: I Added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main to my sources.list
[21:24] <maco> giz: ah! ok
[21:26] <giz> maco: Is it possible to remove gnome without breaking packages?
[21:26] <senorpedro> oh man, the kde4 konqueror sucks as file manager
[21:26] <senorpedro> the tree-view is buggy
[21:27] <senorpedro> where are the + icons?
[21:27] <mefisto__> alarm: right-click panel, task manager settings
[21:27] <maco> giz: sure, you can remove all the gnome apps you dont want...
[21:27] <siegie> senorpedro: dolphin?
[21:27] <senorpedro> dolphin sucks even more
[21:27] <senorpedro> i refuse to use dolphin
[21:27] <giz> thnks maco
[21:28] <astromme> senorpedro: =/.
[21:28]  * astromme is a fan of dolphin. Simple, clean and "just works" in his opinion.
[21:28] <alarm> mefisto__,  i dont see something that has to do with grouping (kde4.2)
[21:28] <s0101> can i get adress to ubuntu channel if anybody knows
[21:28] <senorpedro> honestly, konqueror in kde 3.5. was the best file manager in the world, i never understood the decision to implement dolphin
[21:29] <mefisto__> alarm: you don't see "grouping and sorting" in task manager settings?
[21:30] <alarm> first of all there is no option task manager settings
[21:30] <alarm> but panel settings (if this is what you mean)
[21:30] <alarm> and there is nothing, no
[21:30] <s0101> ubuntu channel?
[21:31] <mefisto__> senorpedro: I guess some people don't agree
[21:31] <maco> s0101: how hard is it to remember #ubuntu?
[21:31] <senorpedro> because they dont know konqueror
[21:31] <s0101> i didint know where to put it manual
[21:31] <mefisto__> alarm: you are running kde 4.2 ?
[21:32] <senorpedro> why's konquerors sidebar broken? it doesnt show the dir-hierarchy (is empty) and the icons are all questionmarks
[21:32] <alarm> mefisto__,  yes , i wrote it above
[21:32] <david_> I am trying to run a Soundblaster Audigy 1 [SB0090] but I cannot get it to work, the driver is installed, but I still hear no sound
[21:33] <jimmy51_home> hello, i just installed several updates (from the past week or so) and now compiz doesn't work at all.  has that been happening?
[21:33] <s0101> #ubuntu
[21:33] <ka> senorpedro: sidebar works fine for me
[21:34] <jimmy51_home> Segmentation fault, Segmentation fault, kwin(5959) KDecorationPlugins::loadPlugin: kwin : path  "/usr/lib/kde4/kwin3_ozone.so"  for  "kwin3_ozone"  Checking for Xgl: not present.
[21:35] <jimmy51_home> does that mean my 3d accelerated drivers aren't running anymore?
[21:36] <david_> how can i get my sound to start working?
[21:37] <jimmy51_home> david_: sometimes you need to set the levels in the mixer
[21:38] <david_> mixer levels are set and nothing is muted
[21:38] <jimmy51_home> alsamixer?
[21:38] <david_> KMix
[21:38] <david_> using the ALSA driver
[21:39] <jimmy51_home> i've had to open some old text based one to enable channels... but i don't know too much about it.
[21:39] <mefisto__> alarm: http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taskmvq9.png and http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taskmsettingsab7.png
[21:39] <jimmy51_home> ooh, glxinfo shows problems
[21:40] <jimmy51_home> maybe the new kernel isn't playing well with my video driver?
[21:40] <BleSS> I had to change to ubuntu when I updated kubuntu to 8.10 (this will not be anything new) ;)
[21:40] <BleSS> does kde 4.2 is on repositories to install from apt? and (the most important) is it *stable*?
[21:40]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[21:40] <jimmy51_home> rebooting with old kernel...
[21:41] <alarm> nop dont have this option
[21:42] <mefisto__> david_: does " cat /proc/asound/modules " show more than one module?
[21:42] <alarm> strange
[21:42] <alarm> i'll see what i'll do
[21:42] <alarm> thanks anyway
[21:42] <n_> astromme, synergy looks very nice thx. is it possible only to change keyboard and not the mouse?
[21:42] <mefisto__> alarm: are you absolutely sure you've got 4.2 running?
[21:42] <alarm> yeap :)
[21:42] <mefisto__> hmm
[21:43] <astromme> n_: Hmm, I don't think so
[21:43] <alarm> no worries i will figure out how :) thank you still
[21:43] <david_> how would i check that
[21:43] <n_> :( there has to be a way u can lock the mouse on the destination screen...
[21:45] <mefisto__> david_: open konsole and type: cat /proc/asound/modules
[21:45] <White_Pelican> what's the repository that has amarok 2?
[21:46] <david_> i see the following:
[21:46] <david_> 0 snd_emu10kl
[21:46] <david_> and 1 snd_hda_intel
[21:46] <mefisto__> david_: do you know which one you have speakers connected to?
[21:46] <senorpedro> how can i disable sounds in kopete?
[21:47] <senorpedro> and that stupid pop-up
[21:47] <senorpedro> when someone writes something
[21:47] <mefisto__> senorpedro: I bet it's in kopete settings
[21:47] <david_> no, I am using a SoundBlaster Audigy 1 [SB0090]
[21:48] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: settings->configure notifications
[21:48] <neothecat> good afternoon.  after my upgrade, it seems like my Amarok has gotten all screwy.  keyboard problems, slow, not stopping tracks... anybody else see this?
[21:48] <senorpedro> thats not there
[21:48] <senorpedro> i'm searching all the time
[21:49] <mefisto__> david_: you could try blacklisting the intel one so the module for it doesn't load
[21:49] <senorpedro> honestly kde4 is the biggest crap ever, 3.5 was million times better
[21:50] <david_> how would that work
[21:50] <david_edmundson> senorpedro:  ok, I'll tell Aaron and we'll scrap it all and go back to how it was
[21:51] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: did you find 'configure notifications' ?
[21:51] <mefisto__> david_: if you blacklist the intel one (probably built in to your motherboard) it won't work in linux
[21:51] <senorpedro> nope, because its not there
[21:51] <Coggz> Got problems with MSN protocol.. someone please help! Pidgin, aMSN, Kopete etc wont connect to msn using libpurple or msn-pecan
[21:51] <giz> david_edmundson: funny how people resist change.
[21:51] <david_> so that would hopefully result in my Audigy working then?
[21:51] <beachsurfin> what's with the chinese font in my save dialog? http://bayimg.com/upload
[21:52] <beachsurfin> http://bayimg.com/GanpLAaBE   **
[21:52] <CyborgNRW> !de
[21:52] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: are you running KDE 4.1  or 4.2 ?
[21:52] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: ah, look in the settings menu on the main kopete window (buddy list one) not a chat window
[21:52] <david_edmundson> they have different settings
[21:53] <senorpedro> thats what im doing
[21:53] <david_edmundson> giz: tell me about it - I'm trying to persuade my company to upgrade their KDE3.4 to 3.5 !
[21:53] <mefisto__> david_: they should be able to work together, but you could try blacklisting
[21:53] <senorpedro> kde4.2
[21:53] <david_> how would i do that
[21:53] <mefisto__> david_: if you're not using the other one at all
[21:53] <senorpedro> kopete 0.60.3
[21:53] <White_Pelican> did anyone see my last question? I got no response
[21:53] <jimmy51_home> what would cause glx to seg fault after rebooting when it had been working fine for months?
[21:54] <david_edmundson> senorpedro: you sure youre on 4.2? my kopete version is 0.7
[21:54] <senorpedro> it seems kubuntu8.10 has kde4.1.3 installed....
[21:54] <david_edmundson> ah
[21:54] <senorpedro> no, i think its 4.1.
[21:54] <jimmy51_home> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[21:54] <david_edmundson> yeah, you're on 4.1.3 I'm sure there used to be notifications there (btw, you can also reach it at systemsettings->notifications then selecting kopete from the drop down)
[21:54] <senorpedro> but that sound and that popups are extreme annoying
[21:54] <mefisto__> david_: sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[21:55] <david_edmundson> yeah, I've disabled almost all sounds
[21:55] <david_edmundson> I don't want my computer beeping at me.
[21:55] <senorpedro> thats a good idea
[21:55] <etfb> What can I do in Kubuntu 8.10 to reduce battery usage?  My brand new laptop seems to have a life of 40 minutes on a full charge...
[21:55] <david_> okay, did that
[21:55] <senorpedro> i disable all sounds
[21:56] <senorpedro> how can i disable all sounds with one click? in 3.5 that was possible
[21:56] <mefisto__> david_: ok, at the end of that file (on a new line on it's own) put this in: blacklist snd_hda_intel
[21:56] <White_Pelican> NM I figured it out myself
[21:56] <david_edmundson> anyhoo, if you know what you're doing - you might want to try KDE4.2 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2 see here
[21:57] <maco> senorpedro: you could map a shortcut in khotkeys to mute all...
[21:57] <mefisto__> david_: then ctrl-X to quit. it will ask if you want to save the changes
[21:57] <david_edmundson> or under system settings -> notifications-> player 'no sounds' that way your other audio stuff'll work still
[21:57] <senorpedro> maco: i dont want no shortcut, i want them muted forever
[21:58] <senorpedro> ok thx david_edmundson
[21:58] <mefisto__> david_: once you've made that change and saved it, the next reboot will ignore that card and not load the module
[21:58] <david_> okay, thank you, i'm going to reboot now
[21:59]  * maco smacks kmail
[21:59] <maco> stupid thing keeps scrolling down to the bottom of the message list *all by itself*
[22:00] <maco> i want to see the top of the list
[22:01] <giz> How do you use nepomuk?
[22:02] <etfb> Wow!  Adept in KDE4.2 is even stupider and less usable than it was in KDE4.1!  I never would have thought it possible!
[22:03] <maco> how do i tell kde to pick a browser and stick with it?
[22:03] <etfb> maco: Which version?
[22:03] <maco> 4.2
[22:03] <pablopablovski> abloPablovski
[22:03] <etfb> maco: System Settings | Default Applications
[22:03] <maco> links from pidgin open in epiphany (???), links from kmail open in konq, and other links open in firefox
[22:04] <beachsurfin> as mentioned previously, this is what my /sbin/iptables looks like in vim and cat
[22:04] <beachsurfin> http://bayimg.com/HANmPaabe
[22:04] <beachsurfin> anyone know what the problem may be?
[22:04] <etfb> maco: In the Web Browser section (choose that from the list on the side) tell it to open links in firefox (or whatever) instead of konq.
[22:05] <giz> bye ya'll
[22:05] <maco> etfb: will that make pidgin stop using epiphany too?
[22:05] <maco> etfb: nevermind
[22:06] <maco> pidgin apparently has a browser setting of its own. in gnome it opens in firefox. in kde, pidgin decided to use "sensible-browser" (which i guess means epiphany)
[22:07] <mefisto__> try symlinking "sensible-browser" to firefox. that might be a simple fix
[22:08] <maco> i just changed it to say firefox, but i dont know why pidgin does different things based on if im using kde or gnome
[22:08] <neothecat> can anyone recommend any good podcatching software that works well with OPML (and NOT amarok)?
[22:08]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[22:09] <Szadek> hello , is there bespin style debs updated for kubuntu ???
[22:14] <jcyv> hi
[22:14] <jcyv> hi
[22:14] <jcyv> dicovering 8.10
[22:15] <jcyv> network manager is 50 % of CPU
[22:15] <fw1> is there kdevelop for 4.2?
[22:20] <ogre> im trying to set colors on  <system settings <appearance and trying to match them up. there seems to be a fade in color from below window decoration how do i fix this? intrepid kde4 btw
[22:21]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[22:22] <david_edmundson> ogre: uner window decorations select ozone
[22:23] <david_edmundson> ogre: there was a disagreement between the oxygen team and another guy about having a fade in, the compromise was to make another decoration set which allowed turning it off
[22:24] <maco> oh is *that* what the difference is?
[22:24] <astromme> fw1: KDevelop4 (KDE4 kdevelop) is still under development
[22:24] <maco> i couldnt see any difference in the screenshots
[22:26] <gabrieltux> Holaa
[22:27] <ogre> david_edmundson:  beautiful, thank you. its my second day on kde4 and im trying to set my colors so far im looking pretty good. i think im going to submit to kde-look when im done
[22:27] <gabrieltux> Hi
[22:27] <david_edmundson> ogre: awesome. I'll be sure to have a look :-)
[22:28] <fw1> oh java apps don't have qt bindings, just gnome?
[22:29] <AlanasAnikonis> i think i've seen java -qt libs
[22:29] <david_edmundson> aye, apt-cache search java qt brings up results
[22:29] <fw1> netbeans looks very ugly
[22:29] <david_edmundson> though a lot have qt3 in the name
[22:30] <senorpedro> !mp2
[22:30] <senorpedro> !mp3
[22:32] <mefisto__> libqt3-java ?
[22:34] <david_edmundson> I imagine that's for developing QT apps in java, it won't magically transofrm everything
[22:41] <senorpedro> where can i get kubuntu 8.04?
[22:43] <mefisto__> kubuntu.org ?
[22:46]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[22:47] <tomdavidson> hello, having troubles with upgradeing 8.10 to kde 4.2. I followed the directions from the kubuntu.org news article and have posted here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6653398#post6653398 not meaning to cross post, but i should have been looking here first.
[22:48] <velroij> #kubuntu-devel
[22:52]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[22:52] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: so the problem is packages are kept back?
[22:53] <Frederick> folks Ive installed a karamba applet but it does not inform my pc temperature do I need to install any package so it works??
[22:53] <tomdavidson> mefisto__:  sorry, wasnt very clear, the problem is now window decorations and im wondering how to verify the upgrade?
[22:54] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: in konqueror, help > about KDE
[22:55] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: I had gwenview held back but not all those others. I removed gwenview, then installed it again. seemed to work
[22:56] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: ok, kde 4.2 thanks. ok, will try the gwenview
[22:58] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: any ideas about the window decorations?
[23:00] <kilani> i need help with a distribution upgrade
[23:01] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: just guessing, but I would probably log out of kde, log in terminal, try removing those packages, then manually install them again. then log in to kde and see if it's any better. but again, that's just what my instinct tells me
[23:02]  * Sp0tKubuntu-NA is away: Borte for øjeblikket
[23:02]  * Sp0tKubuntu is back.
[23:03] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: ok, will give it a go, thanks
[23:03] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: let me know if that works
[23:05] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: will do, thanks for the suggestions
[23:11] <Frederick> folks Ive installed a karamba applet but it does not inform my pc temperature do I need to install any package so it works??
[23:12] <axel> hola
[23:14] <dewman> lotta people here...but no ones talking... must be sleeping.... =)
[23:15] <tomdavidson> I can try to help, what is up?
[23:21] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: had to remove quanta.... loging in, and now i could visually see the differnce from 4.1, but still no window decorations
[23:21] <Sp0tKubuntu> Where do i put my auth for "Konversation", F8? And then Auto ident?
[23:22] <ubuntu_> hello
[23:23] <Carefree> what's a good tool for linux to defragment my NTFS vista partition?
[23:23] <Carefree> i'm using a live CD so that none of the windows files are in use for more effective defragmentation
[23:25] <mefisto__> Carefree: why not use windows to do it? I don't think linux tools are the way to go, if they exist at all
[23:25] <Carefree> it move files out of the end of the drive
[23:25] <Carefree> it won't move them
[23:26] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: run upgrade again and it caught libkdecorations4 and system-config-printer-kde, not out have the window boarders and what not. im fixed up. thanks.
[23:27] <mefisto__> tomdavidson: good news. was that done when logged in to kde? just trying to work out whether it makes a difference if kde is running or not
[23:28] <jirik> Hi, I would like to report bug. Maybe it is not bug, but it is very annoying. I have HP 6720s with Intel Dual core processor, 3 GB Ram and integrated Intel 965 graphic card. Alongside I expect perfect 3D effects. But there are two problems. The first:
[23:30] <jirik> 1) When I maximalize the window via click in the system tray and the "maximalize" effect will open it, the window is maximalized, for a tiny part of second it is all white and after that is displayed its content. Disgusting ...
[23:30] <Sp0tKubuntu> Where do i put my auth for "Konversation", F8? And then Auto ident?
[23:31] <tomdavidson> mefisto__: i stoped kdm will i was working on it and then restarted after the packages were reinstalled. when i still lacked the decorations, i upgraded via apt-get again and restarted kdm. does that answear your question?
[23:32] <cbwcjw> jirik: http://bugs.kde.org
[23:32] <jirik> 2) By right-clicking on windows decoration, system tray etc. is displayed list of available actions as "Task manager options" or "Configure windows behaviour". This menu is displayed sometimes correctly, but sometimes after very tiny black-color-weird-something instead of menu.
[23:32] <cbwcjw> !bugs
[23:33] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: i would like to try and help, but other than useing konversation myself, i do not have a clue what you are trying to accomplish. canyou give more info?
[23:33] <jirik> cbwcjw: I see, but I would like to know, whether it is general problem KDE 4.2, or I have only integrated graphic card and this is the problem.
[23:33] <cbwcjw> jirik: If it is an ubuntu-related bug, do the 2nd one. Your problem seems like it should be on kde.org
[23:33] <cbwcjw> jirik: Probably the drivers, but im not sure.
[23:34] <jirik> cbwcjw: Drivers for Intel graphic card are not installed by user, but are in linux-core (?)
[23:34] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Do you know auth on quakenet?
[23:36] <Fieldy> !vmware
[23:36] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: i c now. no, i have never done anything with quakenet. sorry
[23:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson:  So you dont where to fill out the infos i have for using it?
[23:37] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Maybe there is no "Auth" section in "Konversation"
[23:38] <Sp0tKubuntu> Anyone inhere knows if there is a "Auth" function like used on Quakenet in "Konversation"? Plz PM me
[23:39] <adben> hi everyone... i wanna ask you ... how can i do a deep clean of the kde user , not just "rm -R ~/.kde" , 'cuz kbuildsycoca4 crashes and didn't let me in, but other user does..
[23:39] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: i know there is auth for irc. what is quakenet?
[23:40] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Quakenet is a server for IRC like "Ubuntu IRC"
[23:41] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: But do you know where i fill out the "Auth" part in konversation?
[23:42] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: I have the infos from quakenet, i just wonder where to put then, thet have to be loader every time i connect to give me the right ident
[23:42] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: thats what i was thinking.... i was mistaken with my prev statment of auth in konversation. i am using kopete. auth settings of user/passwd are onthe basic tab of the account set up.
[23:43] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Ahh, that ok! :-) I need to find it in Konversation
[23:43] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: installin konversation right now...
[23:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Cool, thanks alot, cant find it, or im not sure its the right thing i have found, F8 idendities, and then auto ident
[23:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> But dosent seem to work
[23:44] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: BRB, have to test
[23:46] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Dosent seems to work in there
[23:47] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: what about the service and password fields in the identity set up dialog?
[23:47] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: I have tryed, but im not sure how to fill em ind
[23:48] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: or when i go to add server, i am promted to enter a password (but no username, quakenet reserves nicknames right? so maybe that is the username)
[23:49] <tomdavidson> Sp0tKubuntu: with out an quakenet account im leaning on the password when the server is added
[23:50] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: BRB. trying again
[23:55] <Sp0tKubuntu> tomdavidson: Trying again! BRB
[23:58] <tbr281> noticed something on 4.2
[23:59] <tbr281> when installing a new app it doest show up in the K menu


[00:04] <nickrud> what I'd really like is a sync between the bantracker and the channel, I think they're not quite the same
[00:06] <stdin> nickrud: I'm half way there, I have it so it marks bans as removed when it can't find them in the channel, it doesn't yet try to add new bans yet
[00:06] <nickrud> stdin ah, great :)
[00:29] <Flannel> Hmm
[00:29] <Flannel> smallfoot is in #ubuntu as dooley
[00:30] <Flannel> who can unban him here?  We'll probably have to have another lovely chat.
[00:31] <Flannel> I guess its just his nick, he'll still be able to get in
[00:31] <ompaul> I would have removed lots of stuff about him
[00:32] <ompaul> I am going to issue the big one
[00:33] <ompaul> I don't see him as banned from here
[00:33] <Flannel> search for smallfoot
[00:34] <Flannel> oh
[00:34] <Flannel> removed
[00:34]  * Flannel is blind.
[00:36] <dooley> Hobbsee here?
[00:37] <Flannel> dooley: You are banned.  Even if "when you reboot to windows" you can get in, you're banned.
[00:37] <ompaul> back again and ban avoidance will buy you that kind of thing
[00:37] <dooley> ok
[00:37] <ompaul> you are now banned for ban avoidance
[00:37] <dooley> but im nice boy
[00:37] <Flannel> dooley: so, please leave #ubuntu+1
[00:37] <dooley> but i wanted get help here
[00:37] <dooley> there
[00:37] <dooley> and i wanted to inform them about the bug
[00:37] <dooley> so they can fix it
[00:37] <dooley> im a good boy, im not bad
[00:38] <Flannel> dooley: launchpad is where you inform them of bugs
[00:38] <dooley> oh i did, i reported 100
[00:38] <dooley> im very good, i reported very very very many
[00:38] <ompaul> pastbin a list of them
[00:38] <ompaul> or don't
[00:38] <dooley> well most are feature request
[00:38] <Flannel> dooley: Please leave #ubuntu+1, or you'll have evaded a ban twice.
[00:38] <dooley> oh
[00:39] <ompaul> we are fair to a point
[00:39] <dooley> i have Songbird in windows xp, and it exist for linux too, but its not in ubuntu repostitory
[00:39] <Flannel> dooley: Yes, you mentioned this in -motu today.  They said they'd work with you to package it if you were interested.
[00:39] <ompaul> dooley, this is not a help channel
[00:40] <ompaul> right so folks I am out of here
[00:40] <dooley> Flannel, wow you are in all channels, you know everything i writing
[00:40] <Flannel> ompaul: bye
[00:40] <ompaul> dooley, that is not accurate
[00:40] <dooley> Flannel i cant package it, im a noob, and it requires reading 10000 pages documentation
[00:41] <Flannel> dooley: While it does take some reading, it's perfectly doable, or else nothing would get packaged ever.  And that's obviously not the case.
[00:41] <dooley> well its only the smart people who can do that, that likes to reading
[00:41] <dooley> im not so smart, and i get impatient very fast
[00:41] <dooley> i dont like reading, i think its boring
[00:42] <Flannel> You should work on the impatience, since it's already gotten you into trouble.  If you don't fix it, you'll just get into more.
[00:44] <Flannel> dooley: But the point is, you are banned for a reason, just because you reboot to windows doesn't make you unbanned.  You'll have to do some reading and understanding (and probably change your attitude) to get them lifted.
[00:46] <dooley> ok
[00:46] <dooley> but Hobbsee told me to come back after a week, and i think i waited more than a week to come back
[00:46] <Flannel> dooley: You waited a week, yes.   When you continue after being warned, is when we have to act on it
[00:58] <dooley> well i do stop when im told, but then i slip again later
[00:59] <Pici> Well, everyone else learns to control themselves, you need to do the same.
[01:00] <dooley> ya
[01:01] <Flannel> dooley: If you can't, one easy way of ensuring it doesn't happen is to leave channels when you get angry, or just walk away from the computer for 15 minutes and cool off.
[01:02] <dooley> yeah. i guess, but i kinda like to went it
[01:02] <dooley> to get it out you know
[01:03] <Flannel> dooley: You'll have to find some other method of venting.  Since abusing other people isn't kosher.
[01:03] <dooley> well it really bothers me that i cant find songbird in the repo
[01:04] <Flannel> dooley: To get software in a repository, it takes a lot of work, as you're aware of already.  Even after you've packaged it once, you can't just walk away, you have to keep up and make sure it's not dangerous for people to have installed
[01:04] <Flannel> dooley: If you're not willing to put in the time and effort, how do you expect others to?
[01:05] <Flannel> dooley: *you* even want it in the repos, the people youre asking in -motu probably don't use it, so why would they spend the time packaging something that they don't use?
[01:05] <dooley> well maybe there is someone whos smart and who thinks its fun todo the stuff i think its boring
[01:06] <Flannel> dooley: If you watch those videos they told you about, and take some initiative and show some effort, the people in -motu *will* help you through any problems you have.
[01:07] <Flannel> dooley: but, if they take the time to package songbird for you, thats time they're not spending on packages that they, and probably thousands of other people use.
[01:07] <dooley> oh
[01:07] <dooley> well we need more packaging guys
[01:07] <Flannel> dooley: So, volunteer to be one!
[01:07]  * nickrud looks at dooly
[01:08] <nickrud> dooley that was a joke, by the way:)
[01:08] <dooley> :D
[01:09] <dooley> well the packaging thing seems so difficult and much effort and time, and reading 1000 pages of boring stuff
[01:09] <dooley> im not so smart
[01:09] <Flannel> dooley: Open source runs off of self-initiative.  If you want something done, the absolute best way to ensure it gets done is to do it yourself.  And usually, once you've done it for a little while, other people will step in and help.
[01:09] <Flannel> dooley: They have videos, surely you can watch those and learn a lot.
[01:11] <Flannel> dooley: but, when they said "here's a lot of stuff you can use to help you learn" and you replied with "but thats hard", effectively saying "I don't want to do any work".  That's not a good attitude to have, and isn't likely to get you anywhere.
[01:12] <dooley> true
[01:12] <dooley> but i dont like sitting like 15 hours infront of my computer doing something boring
[01:12] <Pici> Then you arent going to get what you want in this case.
[01:12]  * Pici looks at the clock
[01:13] <Flannel> dooley: You might try doing it for one or two hours a day, for a few weeks
[01:13] <Flannel> dooley: Anyway, I think we've gotten off the topic for this channel, feel free to go back to -motu with an improved attitude and ask them to help you learn.
[01:14] <elky> PriceChild, sorry, i overslept again :(
[01:14] <dooley> ok
[01:15] <Flannel> dooley: When you think you've fixed the stuff we talked about previously, about your bans, feel free to come back here and talk about it.
[01:15] <dooley> i gonna watch that video later
[01:15] <dooley> well, i dont know when i will be fixe
[01:15] <dooley> maybe it take years
[01:15] <elky> oh, there wasnt actually a meeting?
[01:15] <Flannel> elky: No, its tuesday
[01:15] <elky> irc meeting. it'll be without me then
[01:16] <Flannel> dooley: Hopefully it will be sooner.  You'll just have to wait and see.
[01:16] <dooley> well, i dont know when or how
[01:16] <PriceChild> elky: we hadn't planned one, that was the old topic
[01:19] <Flannel> dooley: You'll figure it out.  If you want, you can google for anger management techniques or something.  And again, re-read the code of conduct and IRC guidelines, and take them to heart.  I think what has been said covers everything that could be said, so please leave this channel as we're done.
[01:19] <dooley> ok
[01:19] <dooley> bye all people
[01:56] <Tm_T> mmmmm
[01:56] <Pici> mmmm?
[01:56] <Tm_T> ...and party goes on!
[01:58] <Tm_T> Linux podcast recording was a moment ago
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[01:58] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yes dear?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> dooley / smallfoot
[01:59] <Flannel> Hobbsee: We'll see if he comes back wiser and more polite.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Flannel: indeed.  you handled it well
[02:00] <nickrud> hm, a strange join in #ubuntu
[02:00]  * Flannel notes interesting spam in #ubuntu
[02:01] <nickrud> they dropped right back out Hobbsee , 5 sequential alphanumeric names at the same ip
[02:01] <Flannel> Hobbsee: I figured I ought to do it, since I didn't interact with him before, so he doesn't already have a kneejerk reaction to being suspicious
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ahh
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Flannel: you won't always do what he wants.  therefore, he'll still have a kneejerk reaction.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> and if he decides to insult you, all the worse for him.
[02:02] <Flannel> Hobbsee: I don't think he's quite that bad, just needs a little guidance.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Flannel: guidance?  most people ahve enough clue not to say (twice) that the only reason I have ops is because i have boobs.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> and other such things.
[02:04] <nickrud> ah, that was smallfoot?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:04] <Hobbsee> and consistently blame their problems on us.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> and not listen.
[02:04] <Tm_T> yup
[02:04] <Tm_T> I tried, failed
[02:05] <Hobbsee> or claim that others are being unfair, because they didn't read the rules, and didn't follow them.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> and so the rules got enforced.
[02:05] <Tm_T> it's not often, but it happens I notice
[02:05] <nickrud> yeah. Claiming you broke the rules, when you quote them as evidence. "See, you said it, now you can't do anything to me."
[02:06] <Tm_T> heh
[02:07] <Hobbsee> the only way 'guidance' will work for him is an extremely long ban (so he figures it out without reading), or something physical done to him, when he gets something wrong.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> the latter which is unfeasible from irc.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> although, why he's on irc, if he doesn't want to read things, i'm not sure...
[02:09] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: he likes to write?
[02:09] <nickrud> irc is wonderful for short attention spans
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: in which case, he can go to a text editor?
[02:10] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: no, it's too obvious ;)
[02:11] <Pici> ooh, shiny objects!
[02:11] <Pici> But seriously, I have a feeling that he won't be able to control himself.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Pici: ++
[02:13] <Hobbsee> that was shown earlier
[02:18] <elky> and people wonder why we enforce things the way we do...
[02:19] <nickrud> the good guys don't see the bad guys (and so have a skewed perspective) and the bad guys don't understand rules anyway
[02:20] <Hobbsee> or refuse to
[02:21] <nickrud> no, they simply don't understand the concept of rules. I've seen tonnes of examples in other context
[02:21] <elky> or, see the good guys slip up, and assume that the good guys do it all the time, hence they can/should also
[02:21] <nickrud> why rules exist even
[02:22] <elky> nickrud, that's part of it, yes
[02:22] <nickrud> latimes had a really good article yesterday
[02:22] <elky> linky?
[02:23] <nickrud> got distracted. A sec
[02:25] <nickrud> sorry, nytimes.  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
[02:25] <elky> oh that, i saw that
[02:25] <elky> that wasnt yesterday, was it?
[02:26] <nickrud> I think it was a wonderful troll of trolls. And these are perfect examples of people that don't understand the reason/concept for rules, the concept of a civil society
[02:26] <elky> yup
[02:26] <nickrud> yeah, yesterday
[02:27] <elky> you then also have stuff like the unnameable people who genuinely believe that because they dont *like* the rules, that the rules should go away and stop inconveniencing them.
[02:28] <elky> taking absolutely no note of what the rules are actually preventing... such as pain unto others, etc
[02:28] <nickrud> uh uh
[02:29] <elky> 2008/08/03 is the date in australia today. either that, or it was the date on the 8th of march. which.
[02:29] <nickrud> month day is standard in us
[02:29] <elky> since australia is in tomorrowland, i really wonder how that date was yesterdayland for you
[02:30] <nickrud> the times releases stuff about 12hrs ahead of the date. Due in the sunday paper (today) but released yesterday
[02:30] <elky> crazy
[02:30] <nickrud> heh. Don't your magazines have a future date on them? Common here
[02:30] <elky> i dont exactly take note
[02:31] <elky> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/second-greece-bashing/2008/08/02/1217097606101.html is at the top of the smh site now
[02:31] <elky> so no, no future date
[02:32]  * nickrud needs to learn all the new nice shiny things that stdin's putting in the bot. If I can keep my attention focused ;)
[02:32] <nickrud> see, I can't even stay focused enough to stay in the third person for two sentences
[02:33] <stdin> use @help ;)
[02:33] <elky> it's pretty much ubotu3g now, eh
[02:33] <stdin> @list Bantracker
[02:33] <stdin> @help comment
[02:33] <stdin> and so on...
[02:33] <nickrud> that would be a good name for it
[02:34] <nickrud> ooooh, updatebt
[02:34] <elky> stdin, can we add 'warrants'? where we can name people who we've put on final chance, so they're less likely to get the advantage of cycling timezones to get to final chance 5 times over?
[02:34] <elky> if that makes any sense
[02:35] <nickrud> a nice term for the comments
[02:35] <stdin> I would think that's what comments are for ;)
[02:35] <elky> except the comments dont show up in a ban search
[02:35] <stdin> you can retrieve comments from the tracker with @comment too
[02:35] <nickrud> now, if I may, a request for a timed ban :)
[02:35] <stdin> just leave out the comment
[02:35]  * elky nods at nickrud
[02:35]  * nickrud wanders away, whistling
[02:36] <elky> timed bans would be awesome useful
[02:36] <stdin> supyboy does have a time ban feature, but it needs +o
[02:36] <stdin> (I could fix that though)
[02:36] <elky> uh, no, floodbot will fight with it
[02:36] <stdin> I got it to ask chanserv for +o with the Topic plugin
[02:36] <elky> aah, it'd work on temp
[02:37] <elky> but not if it was perma-opped
[02:37] <stdin> I managed to hack a little and get it to +o, do whatever it needed then -o itself
[02:37] <elky> we've been asking for timed bans since before i've been op
[02:38] <elky> 15min/1hr/1day/1week would be appropriate slots i think.
[02:39] <elky> im not sure we want to automate anything longer, and im not sure we even want to automate weekly
[02:39] <Hobbsee> oh, i wouldn't mind.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> wait, yes i would.
[02:40] <elky> i'd suggest making 1hr the default ban, with the new syndax being /cs +b m|d|w $nick
[02:41] <elky> and, having alerts for if someone gets banned multiple times within a certain timeframe, i'd suggest that timeframe being a day, but it's negotiable
[02:41] <elky> stdin, that enough of a spec? :)
[02:42] <stdin> yeah, but that sounds like a (insert word meaning "difficult thing") to code
[02:43] <stdin> even getting it to check the channel ban list was difficult
[02:44] <elky> cron.
[02:44] <nickrud> the data would be in the tracker, wouldn't it? Not even need to check the channel
[02:44] <stdin> nickrud: it would, but depends if the tracker is accurate :p
[02:45] <nickrud> stdin ah, yes, that little issue ;)
[02:45] <stdin> elky: but how can we get cron to communicate with the bot?
[02:45] <elky> make the bot process run the cron?
[02:45] <elky> err, check
[02:45] <elky> i dunno
[02:45] <nickrud> doesn't the data exist in a database?
[02:46] <Flannel> just... use cron to generate files
[02:46] <stdin> there's only one process, everything else is threads
[02:46] <Flannel> script -> files with nicks to be unbanned
[02:46] <Flannel> then bot checks those files
[02:46] <Flannel> or just a file to say "hey clean up"
[02:47] <stdin> it still takes the bot 25 mins to get the full ban lists for all channels it's in, I could probably get it down to 15 but there's a danger of flooding off
[02:47] <nickrud> or, since the comments would probably get an automated notice saying 15minute ban, humans can look when checking comments
[02:47] <stdin> it's in about 48 channels after all
[02:48] <Flannel> stdin: What is that relevant to?
[02:48] <Flannel> Oh, bot isn't paying attention to the actual +b commands
[02:48] <stdin> what about when the bot dies or splits
[02:48] <stdin> it can miss bans or unbans sometimes
[02:48] <elky> then kill the 15min option
[02:48] <Flannel> It only needs to get the lists when it splits or dies, after that, it can do incremental updates
[02:49] <Flannel> possibly with a new fresh one daily or something, even under normal circumstances
[02:49] <stdin> it needs to get the list when it connects or when the plugin is reloaded
[02:49] <stdin> then it does do incremental updates, yes
[02:50] <stdin> the timed bans could be done, but I'd probably write a separate plugin to do it. bantracker is getting bloated and less maintainable
[02:51] <stdin> me and seveas seem to have a different coding style too, so it looks horrible :p
[02:52] <elky> so it really is an open source bot now? :Þ
[02:53] <stdin> yep, the code unreadable to anyone who hasn't worked with it. which is the very core of all open source code :)
[03:49] <nalioth>   // took a tea break here.  earl grey with honey //
[06:24] <nalioth> did y'all see this?  http://www.linux.com/feature/143414
[06:36] <bazhang> seen it and blogged about it :)
[06:37] <elky> nalioth, i got to the commenters first ;)
[06:38] <nalioth> has anyone contacted linux.com or that hack author of theirs?
[06:39] <elky> nalioth, i'll guarantee something will have been said by someone.
[06:40] <elky> i trolled the softpedia article yesterday
[06:40]  * bazhang wonders about the hiring practices at linux.com
[06:42] <elky> 90% of their journos are freelancers
[06:42] <elky> i'm one of that 90%
[06:42] <elky> i only wrote 3 articles though
[06:43] <bazhang> seems his extensive tests were: point, click and install.
[06:44] <elky> they take articles based on how many people are likely to read them
[06:44] <nalioth> if they let hacks like that write for them, perhaps i need to start sending them articles
[06:44] <elky> nalioth, send your opinions at least
[06:45] <elky> linux.com had articles at least once a release cycle about automatix anyway. it's not as though this is fresh stupidity
[06:46] <wgrant> I decided to tweak that article to make it true for gnome-app-install instead. It didn't take much tweaking - http://www.qeuni.net/f/1/2008/gnome-app-install.html
[06:47] <elky> a/ultamatix/gnome-app-install/?
[06:47] <elky> s/ultamatix/gnome-app-install/?
[06:47]  * elky hits the keyboard
[06:47] <wgrant> It took a bit more than that.
[06:47] <wgrant> But that was much of it.
[06:48] <bazhang> excellent :)
[07:09] <elky> ugh, i snapped and dared ask she who cannot be named why on earth she is in Australian loco channels
[07:10] <wgrant> Ah, her.
[07:10] <elky> yes. her.
[07:11] <elky> she who has been quietly courting faux acceptance over the past few weeks. it's gone beyond a casual dropping by, and is now at the point of downright creepy
[07:12] <Flannel> elky: Is she actually active there?
[07:12] <wgrant> Yes.
[07:12] <wgrant> Now, at least.
[07:13] <Flannel> interesting.  I think that's the only channel she joins that Ive seen her talk in for at least two months
[07:13] <Nafallo> uk as well
[07:13] <Flannel> She's in -au and -uk?  thats sort of odd.
[07:14] <Flannel> oh, hmm, nevermind
[07:14] <elky> she's from NYC, so yes.
[07:14]  * Flannel wonders how many other colonies she's in.
[07:14] <Myrtti> She pmd me last night,bad timing. Might have something to do with upcoming cc meet?
[07:15]  * Flannel wonders when some people will watch the poisonous people lecture.
[07:16]  * wgrant injects some poison into Flannel.
[07:16]  * Flannel is now poisonous.
[07:16] <Flannel> Wait, are we playing croquet?
[07:16] <wgrant> Correct.
[07:16] <wgrant> To both.
[07:16] <wgrant> She seems to be rather silent now.
[07:17] <Flannel> oh goody.  I get to kill people now.
[07:18]  * elky wonders how long until she comes here with her crocodile tears act.
[07:18] <Nafallo> sleep time
[07:18] <Nafallo> tired
[07:19]  * Flannel wonders why she's stolen tears from crocodiles.
[07:19] <Flannel> what is she tearing up over anyway?
[07:22] <elky> our apparant cruelty for wanting her to play by our rules... not her convenient interpretation of our rules
[07:23] <Flannel> so, she's living in the past.
[07:23] <Flannel> and milking it for all its worth.
[07:23] <elky> yup
[07:24] <wgrant> As they do.
[07:24] <elky> indeed
[07:29] <Myrtti> If shane_ turns up, tell him wait 24h. Am heading for hotel breakfast soon
[07:29] <elky> why are you in a hotel anyway?
[07:31] <Myrtti> Assembly demoparty /lanfest where Flug /uf have linux helpdesk. And Ive got my last day of holiday this year.
[07:32] <elky> ah cool
[07:32] <Myrtti> 86 one night, but this is worth it.
[07:32] <elky> :)
[07:32]  * elky huggles Myrtti
[07:32] <Myrtti> assembly.org
[07:33] <nalioth> Myrtti is at a thousand person party
[07:33] <Myrtti> 5000 i think
[07:33] <nalioth> well, that's even better
[07:34] <Myrtti> Gonna blog about it when I get home
[07:34] <Myrtti> Took some pics for it already, are in Flickr
[07:37] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hi hi
[07:37] <Myrtti> Morning
[07:37] <Myrtti> I couldve slept  hour more...
[07:37] <Myrtti> :-(
[07:38] <Myrtti> When are peeps leavin, tm_t?
[07:39] <Tm_T> no idea
[07:39] <Tm_T> I'm stayinh til 14 I think atleast
[07:40] <Myrtti> Ill get some breakfast, peep in and say hi and come back here and sleep for a mo more
[07:40] <Myrtti> I has headache
[07:41] <Flannel> Myrtti: stop looking at computer screens
[07:41] <Myrtti> Tm_T muista LÄÄKKEET!
[07:41] <Myrtti> Täytyy syödä kala!
[07:42] <Myrtti> Flannel lol. Am on phone now
[07:43] <Flannel> Myrtti: take a break from electronics.   Hes at the venue and has stayed awake last might... :-/
[07:47] <Myrtti> Right. Talk to you later
[07:58] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hugs :)
[08:51] <wgrant> Not quite.
[08:55] <gnomefreak> i guess smallfoot didnt show back up yet
[09:09] <elky> operative word being 'yet'
[09:48] <stdin> for you people that want know how to use all the command in Bantracker: http://jussi01.com/stdin/plugin.cgi?name=Bantracker
[09:53] <gnomefreak> stdin: thanks
[09:54] <bazhang> stdin, thanks! :)
[10:19] <Myrtti> Merh
[10:44] <bazhang> champion in ot
[10:50] <Myrtti> Yay, ompaul
[10:52] <ompaul> moinnnnnnnnnnn
[10:52]  * ompaul considers the distance to the cooker
[10:53]  * ompaul considers a pot some oats and water mix with a view to some kind of food
[10:56] <gnomefreak> he looks like he is one to keep watching
[10:56] <bazhang> yup
[10:56] <gnomefreak> ompaul: you on the IRC council by chance?
[10:56] <gnomefreak> we need weekend ops in -ot
[10:57]  * gnomefreak watching for a few just until i get out of compile into build
 can someone teach me how to hack?
[11:01] <gnomefreak> i see it
[11:01] <gnomefreak> so far answer was a good one
[11:01] <bazhang> he is just trying to push all limits in both channels
[11:02] <gnomefreak> both?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> what other channel?
[11:02] <bazhang> #ubuntu
[11:03] <gnomefreak> anyone care if i just remove him to further protect the channels?
[11:03] <bazhang> he is quiet now, but going offtopic and had to be warned
[11:03] <gnomefreak> yeah i know bad but helpful
[11:03] <bazhang> likely need to catch him in the act :)
[11:04] <gnomefreak> well if needed ill be here for a couple more minutes
[11:04] <bazhang> :)
[11:06] <ompaul> gnomefreak, I am not
[11:06] <gnomefreak> oh :(
[11:06] <gnomefreak> i vote you to be on it, now you should be on it ;)
[11:07] <gnomefreak> -ot has been hell for the most part this weekend
[11:07] <ompaul> gnomefreak, I have ops for -ot
[11:07] <ompaul> let me look
[11:07] <ompaul> will return to breakfast when it is ready ;-)
[11:08] <gnomefreak> ompaul: ok give him time to screw up. we know what he meant by hacking since he cant compile a C program i have to assume he meant illegal hacking
[11:08] <ompaul> these guys see no ops and wonder
[11:08] <gnomefreak> they need to look harder :)
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i had to remove someone yesterday and they than played by rules
[11:09] <ompaul> yeap
[11:09] <bazhang> smallfoot?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> nope
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i dont remember who it was but under that nick it wasnt
[11:09] <ompaul> !hacker
[11:09] <gnomefreak> he hasnt shown up yet to ask about ban again
[11:15] <gnomefreak> good way to get him started on abusing the bot ;)
[11:16] <ompaul> na we have to be nice
[11:18] <gnomefreak> hes been warned already before
[11:23] <gnomefreak> later guys ;)
[11:28] <bazhang> :) cya
[11:33] <ompaul> cheers gnomefreak
[11:33] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:34] <ompaul> @bt-login
[11:34] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:34] <ompaul> !u
[11:34] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:34] <ompaul> !forget u
[11:35] <bazhang> @whoami
[11:35]  * ompaul pokes ubottu with a cluestick
[11:35] <ompaul> !!
[11:35] <bazhang> need to @login
[11:35] <ompaul> @whoami
[11:35] <bazhang> hmm
[11:35] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:35] <ompaul> !u
[11:35] <ompaul> bazhang, please change spelling of officier to officer
[11:38] <bazhang> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun. If you want to be taken more seriously, please type out the extra letters in "you". The same goes for "are", "why", "because", and so on.
[11:38] <bazhang> !u
[11:38] <bazhang> weird
[11:39] <ompaul> !u is bar
[11:39] <ompaul> !no u is bar
[11:39] <ompaul> !forget u
[11:39] <ompaul> !u
[11:40] <ompaul> jussi01, ^^ help officer not officier
[11:40] <bazhang> dinner time; back in a bit :)
[11:41] <ompaul> ack
[11:48] <stdin> @reload Encyclopedia
[11:48] <stdin> ompaul: try now
[11:48] <ompaul> !no u is <reply> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officer, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:49] <ompaul> stdin, thank
[11:49] <ompaul> s
[12:11] <ompaul> stdin, ehh can you remove this
 @kick elky test
 ompaul: Error: You don't have the #ubuntu-offtopic,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[12:14] <stdin> @disable Channel kick
[12:25] <ompaul> stdin, you get gold stars for that :)
[12:25] <jpds> ****
[12:27] <Tm_T> hi kids
[12:28] <elky> Pici, new comic
[12:47] <ompaul> rambo3, who did what where when etc
[12:53] <jpds> Floodbots appeared to have failed to mute hishamfathi.
[14:04] <elky> ompaul, you didnt bore mr future enough
[14:19] <ompaul> seems I went away
[14:36] <ompaul> what is the removal of +d #ubuntu-offtopic Rayme?Chan
[14:38] <ompaul> elky, ^^ tomaw
[14:38] <ompaul> jussi01, ^^
[14:38] <ompaul> mez LjL  ^^
[14:39] <ompaul> i.e. help
[14:39] <ompaul> I used to be able to do this my brain is not working
[14:39] <tomaw> /mode #ubuntu-offtopic -d Rayme?Chan
[14:39] <ompaul> DOH!
[14:39] <ompaul> thanks tom
[14:39] <ompaul> tomaw even
[14:39] <tomaw> np
[14:40] <ompaul> I forgot cos I have too much scripted :-/
[15:22] <Myrtti> hello
[15:32] <Myrtti> 17:31 @,- Irssi: Join to #ubuntu was synced in 107 secs
[16:03]  * Myrtti sighs
[16:05] <Seeker`> whats wrong?
[16:08] <Myrtti> feet hurt, having a headache and feeling blue
[16:09] <Seeker`> :(
[16:09] <Seeker`> that sucks
[16:36] <jpds> nickrud: Oops, wrong fella.
[16:36] <nickrud> yeah, saw that
[16:36]  * nickrud slaps lazy left hand
[16:38] <nickrud> msg'd him, with an apology
[16:56]  * jussi01 walks in
[16:56]  * jussi01 is tired
[18:45] <seanw> Just removed the pennergame spammer hope that is okay
[18:46] <jussi01> seanw: sounds good to me :)
[18:54] <Tm_T> hi kids
[18:54]  * Tm_T hugs Myrtti
[19:35] <fyrestrtr> is b|0sCrasher another bot?
[19:37] <jussi01> fyrestrtr: where?
[19:38] <fyrestrtr> in #ubuntu
[19:40] <fyrestrtr> thanks
[19:40] <nickrud> nalioth dealt with it
[19:40] <jussi01> ok
[19:40] <Pici> fyrestrtr: in the future.... call the ops in the right channel.
[19:40] <Pici> its a waste of ours and your time to do that in -offtopic.
[19:41] <fyrestrtr> noted.
[19:41] <fyrestrtr> thanks again.
[19:41] <Flannel> fyrestrtr: you could always call it in here if you think the highlights would help
[19:42] <fyrestrtr> hrmm, that's a thought :)
[19:42] <Pici> no...
[19:42] <Pici> calling ops in here is like super emergency mode.
[19:43] <nickrud> and requires finding out where. Doing it in the right channel saves much effort on the part of ops, thank you very much :)
[19:43]  * Flannel is groggy, not thinking straight.
[19:43] <Flannel> yes, indeed.  do it in the channel :)
[19:43] <Tm_T> also using | reason
[19:44] <Tm_T> like !foops | flannel said it right!!11
[19:44]  * Tm_T hides
[19:44] <Flannel> and then we all wake up, verify the complaint, (know which channel it is already)
[19:44] <Flannel> and then ban me!
 /cs kb Flannel  </virtual>
[20:17] <Tm_T> fyrestrtr: anything else we can help you with?
[20:17] <nalioth> nobody talks any more?
[20:18] <ikonia> nalioth: where ?
[20:18] <nalioth>  #ubuntu
[20:18] <ikonia> nalioth: seems quite busy
[20:19] <ikonia> Flannel: are you talking to zod21 ?
[20:19] <Flannel> ikonia: No, gnea
[20:19] <ikonia> Flannel: I'll speak to zod21 then
[20:19] <Flannel> ikonia: sounds good
[20:20] <Pici> gardar: Can we help you?
[20:21] <Flannel> Pici: he's forwarded here.  see his comments
[20:23] <nalioth> flannel removed him, ikonia went back and kicked him
[20:23] <nalioth> no talking
[20:24] <Flannel> ikonia: he means coming here and talking
[20:24] <ikonia> ahh
[20:24] <Gnea> Flannel: ok
[20:24] <ikonia> nalioth: that was seconds apart
[20:25] <Tm_T> fyrestrtr: wake up, son
[20:25] <Flannel> nalioth: It actually was two people.  one with an underscore
[20:25] <Flannel> Gnea: There's absolutely no reason why you need to provoke someone, regardless of their behavior
[20:25] <Gnea> Flannel: i wasn't trying to provoke anyone.
[20:25] <Flannel> Gnea: In the future, leave out the "welcome to ignore" comments, and you'll be fine.
[20:26]  * Flannel could swear he's already said this.
[20:28] <Gnea> Flannel: and i'm not fine how? the guy had a chip on his shoulder. i can handle not saying anything about placing someone on /ignore in a public forum, that's not the issue. i asked you how YOU would've handled it differently, and all you can tell me is what part of what i did shouldn't be repeated in the future. thank you for the advice.
[20:28] <nalioth> no, i mean PM'g the guy about how we're here to communicate, not vituperation
[20:29] <Flannel> Gnea: He didn't have a chip on the shoulder until you provoked him.  He was merely offtopic in #ubuntu, not offensive, not combative.
[20:30] <ikonia> nalioth: the comment he made - in my opinion warrented removing and discussion away from the channel, as the situation with gnea and the zod21 was growing in tension, and as he has yet to repond to a pm request I feel reasonably confident it was the right thing to do
[20:30] <Flannel> Gnea: call offtopic on him, if he continued to be offtopic, the ops would've dealt with him.
[20:31] <Gnea> Flannel: someone else already did, it seemed inappropriate to repeat it.
[20:31] <Flannel> Gnea: Theres nothing wrong with just walking away, you don't need to encourage him
[20:31] <Gnea> true.
[20:32] <Flannel> Gnea: thats all I'm getting at.
[20:32] <Gnea> Flannel: walking away from the situation is, funny enough, something that I tend to encourage from time to time. Perhaps I should follow my own advice on this as well.
[20:33] <Flannel> Gnea: We all lapse occassionally.  Its no big deal.
[20:33] <Gnea> Flannel: Thank you.
[20:34] <Gnea> and, thank you everyone else.
[20:34] <Flannel> nalioth: he (zod) was directly abusive to a member of the community, and was already offtopic and warned a few times.
[20:34] <ikonia> nalioth: now that gnea has left, I'm open to critisism/advice on how that could have been delt with better ?
[20:35] <ikonia> didn't want to discuss it infront of one of the users in question
[20:38] <nalioth> we're becoming #debian
[20:39] <ikonia> nalioth: ok, so as I said, a little advice/guideline on how to deal with that better would be most welcome
[20:40] <Flannel> nalioth: I don't see how that's the case (or at least, relevant to this situation)
[20:40] <nalioth> definitely going toward #debian
[20:41] <ikonia> nalioth: ok, well some feedback and advice is welcome
[20:41] <nalioth> zod21> hey anyone in here ever used a mac   and the response was !ot and !anyone
[20:41] <ikonia> nalioth: they where user responses, that can be delt with in PM
[20:42] <Flannel> The offtopic was inappropriate in that situation, the anyone... not so much.
[20:42] <nalioth> well, you DO know that Ubuntu runs on Macs
[20:42] <ikonia> a mac is a valid hardware platform for x86 and ppc
[20:42] <ikonia> sure yes, it's a valid platform
[20:43] <Flannel> nalioth: Yes, which is why it wasn't offtopic.
[20:43] <ikonia> as I said, that was a user response I believe
[20:43] <Flannel> "anyone use a mac" though, does garner a !anyone
[20:43] <ikonia> Flannel: but I see nalioth's point on that "zod21 lots of people use macs, what problem are you having"
[20:43] <ikonia> more personal than a factoid
[20:44] <Flannel> ikonia: I agree, and I often type stuff out instead of factoids, but again, thats individuals, not channel policy
[20:44] <ikonia> Flannel: exactly, that was a random user in the channels respose
[20:44] <nickrud> it's difficult to control individual's response.
[20:44] <ikonia> and as I said that can be delt with in pm "not so quick on the factoids etc etc"
[20:45] <Mez> @schedule london
[20:46] <Mez> ew, CC meeting at 11pm ? :(
[20:46] <ikonia> jolt cola is your friend
[20:46] <Mez> They don't have that here.
[20:47] <ikonia> Mez: http://www.cybercandy.co.uk/aaasmt/index.php
[20:47] <Mez> PriceChild / elky_work / nalioth - is the nominations being dealt with in that? or at another time?
[20:47] <Mez> ikonia, I know what it is.
[20:47] <ikonia> Mez: BIG can / multi-packs / single cans, place your orde
[20:47]  * Nafallo is pretty sure he've seen Jolt in London
[20:47] <ikonia> Mez: thats a link to buy it, not "what it is"
[20:48] <ikonia> Nafallo: I've got a can in my bag along with "slurm" from london at the weekend
[20:48] <Nafallo> I'm mostly running on relentless those days though ;-)
[20:48] <nickrud> slurm?
[20:48] <Mez> ikonia, to be fair, if It's anything like red bull cola .. :(
[20:48] <ikonia> nickrud: futurama drink
[20:48] <Mez> Nafallo, yeah, same here
[20:48] <nickrud> ah
[20:49] <ikonia> Mez: pretty much the same thing
[20:49] <ikonia> Mez: a little more "pepsi" taste though , less tinny
[20:50] <Nafallo> another really awesome one are '24' :-)
[21:07] <PriceChild> Mez: another time.
[21:07] <PriceChild> Mez: hopefully close to having a clear agreed process to document to the ML with final dates.
[22:04] <jpds> !xmms
[22:04] <nalioth> gardar: can we help you?
[22:05] <nickrud> !idle | gardar (since nalioth is too nice ;)
[22:06] <nickrud> ah, crap, not again!
[22:06] <nickrud> forget idle | gardar (since nalioth
[22:06] <gardar> hm nope nalioth, I've no idea why im here
[22:06] <nickrud> !forget idle | gardar (since nalioth
[22:12] <nalioth> gardar: please see the /topic
[22:12] <gardar> hm
[22:12] <gardar> still don't understand how I got here
[22:13] <nickrud> @btlogin
[22:14] <nickrud> gardar you have a forward registered for you here: He has been warned multiple times to fix his away. Said he would do so, and still hasn't. Feel free to remove this once fixed (or if there are other circumstances, this isn't really a high priority banforward)
[22:15] <gardar> oh about that... well yea, haven't exactly had time for that
[22:16] <nickrud> gardar well, find some time I guess ;)
[22:16] <gardar> yea will do asap
[22:56] <Myrtti> @now Helsinki
[22:56] <Myrtti> oh - right.
[22:56] <jussi01> mrgh
[22:56] <jussi01> and Im still up..
[22:57] <Myrtti> I just woke up
[22:58] <Myrtti> I'm happy, didn't have any dreams
[23:00] <Pici> :/
[23:05] <jussi01> Pici: ?
[23:07] <Kcaj> can test me?
[23:11] <jpds> He's okay. Floodbots tested him.
[23:11] <Flannel> Ban was already removed
[23:28] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2729982644/
[23:28]  * Myrtti sees a typo
[23:29]  * Myrtti doesn't see it anymore
[23:39] <nalioth> Invisible Typo ?
[23:53] <Flannel> bother on p.u.c being down
[23:54] <Pici> I prefer using apt-file and rmadison, its faster than looking on p.u.c, for me at least.
[23:56] <Flannel> whats rmadison?
[23:59] <Pici> its for finding out what packages exists across all the ubuntu repositories.
[23:59] <Flannel> so, apt-cache basically?
[23:59] <Pici> so... rmadison pidgin, will tell me all the package versions, across, all the repos, including -updates, -backports, etc.