[00:36] <hammo> i just upgraded from 11.04 to 12.04, i was running 3 monitors, 2 x screens, one for onboard and one for old radeon card. after reinstall i cant get both s xscreens to show. i have setup exactly the same bar new hdd. I still have old hard drive. what conf files should i be looking at to find difference in setup. I'm running xubuntu. did fresh install from dl ISO
[00:44] <hammo> ?anyone?
[00:53] <hammo> can anyone list where display conf files are in xubuntu?
[00:53] <hammo> i found file:///home/hammo/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml and it has all 3 monitors listed
[01:20] <gompa> hi does someone know the best way to test the new theme refresh ?
[01:26] <gompa> how would one: git-clone the repository to easily stay up to date.?
[01:28] <Unit193> cd ~/.themes && git clone link-to-github-location
[01:29] <Unit193> Then, to update cd ~/.themes/Greybird/ && git pull
[01:30] <gompa> thanks :)
[01:30] <Unit193> You trying the white branch?
[01:31] <Unit193> So, that would be git clone -b bright-menus https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird.git
[01:31] <hammo> can anyone list where display conf files are in xubuntu please
[01:32] <Unit193> Not /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?  Also, may try arandr for dual monitor setup.
[01:35] <hammo> hmmmm, i dont have Xorg.conf :( but i found file:///home/hammo/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml that lists monitors just cant get 2nd xscreen to display. 1 xscreen for onbaord 1 xscreen for old radeon card.
[01:35] <hammo> used to work before upgrade, just need to know conf files to compare so i can setup as before
[01:38] <gompa> unit193 thanks but i dont really see any difference (only in the  file manager the location bar icons are different and the menu is white
[02:36] <xubuntu230> so, when i press the volume keys on my keyboard it shows a volume control, but it doesn't affect the actual volume.
[02:50] <anenzymaticboom> I have a problem with crontab.  I can execute a command from the terminal fine, but when I try via crontab it does nothing... I have tried various solution from the interwebz maybe y'all can help
[02:52] <Unit193> Alright, what's the command?
[02:52] <Unit193> And, if you open a sh terminal, does it work there?
[02:53] <anenzymaticboom> the command is "background" is a executable shell script
[02:53] <anenzymaticboom> and yes when I run it from a terminal it runs fine
[02:53] <pleia2> are you using the full path to the program in the crontab?
[02:53] <anenzymaticboom> the shell script is just one line (aside from the header) "xfdesktop --reload"
[02:54] <anenzymaticboom> yes
[02:54] <anenzymaticboom> full path yes
[02:54] <pleia2> and to the shell executing it? /bin/bash /full/path/to/background
[02:54] <anenzymaticboom> */1 * * * * bash -c /home/hans/bin/background
[02:55] <anenzymaticboom> log:
[02:55] <Unit193> bash -c, everyone forgets the -c
[02:55] <anenzymaticboom> I have bash -c...
[02:56] <anenzymaticboom> Jun 19 23:55:01 hans-xubuntu CRON[29940]: (hans) CMD (bash -c /home/hans/bin/background) Jun 19 23:55:01 hans-xubuntu CRON[29939]: (hans) MAIL (mailed 1 byte of output; but got status 0x00ff, #012)
[02:56] <pleia2> huh
[02:57] <Unit193> (You did, she forgot, it's my craziness) You don't happen to have a mail server on that? :P
[02:57] <anenzymaticboom> not sure...
[02:57] <anenzymaticboom> how can I check that?
[02:57] <Unit193> type   mail
[02:57] <Unit193> (Not technically, but oh well)
[02:57] <anenzymaticboom> hans@hans-xubuntu:~$ mail No mail for hans
[02:57] <anenzymaticboom> nope
[02:58] <Unit193> Not sure if you can redirect output, or error output to a file.
[02:59] <anenzymaticboom> I am not getting an error... its just not doing anything
[03:01] <Unit193> And did/do you have to set display?
[03:01] <anenzymaticboom> not sure...
[03:02] <anenzymaticboom> what might that be?
[03:02] <Unit193> Tells it what display X11 is running on.
[03:02] <Unit193> export DISPLAY=:0
[03:03] <anenzymaticboom> would that be cron issue or a xfdesktop --reload issue?
[03:03] <anenzymaticboom> because the xfdesktop command works perfectly fine when I run it from the command line
[03:03] <Unit193> Well, best to add it to the script.
[03:04] <anenzymaticboom> crontab or the shell?
[03:05] <Unit193> Well, you can add that to either crontab or /full/path/to/background
[03:05] <anenzymaticboom> cool
[03:05] <pleia2> when you're launching from cron you don't have the same environment variables as from a shell, so things like DISPLAY may not be set (not sure if DISPLAY itself is the issue here, but environment variables tend to be it)
[03:05] <Unit193> Just   DISPLAY=:0   in crontab -e
[03:05] <Unit193> And it using SH, that's not cool either.
[03:06] <pleia2> sh in ubuntu is dash, not bash
[03:07] <anenzymaticboom> so... (1) add DISPLAY=:0   in crontab -e (2) change bash to dash
[03:07] <anenzymaticboom> right
[03:07] <anenzymaticboom> ?
[03:07] <pleia2> no no, you probably want to be using bash
[03:07] <anenzymaticboom> ok
[03:08] <anenzymaticboom> DISPLAY=:0   in crontab -e, should that go anywhere particular in the file?  above below the command?
[03:09] <anenzymaticboom> current crontab -l :
[03:09] <anenzymaticboom> SHELL=/bin/sh
[03:09] <anenzymaticboom> PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/home/hans/bin
[03:09] <anenzymaticboom> DISPLAY=:0
[03:09] <Unit193> Remember to use pastebin.com
[03:09] <anenzymaticboom> */1 * * * * bash -c /home/hans/bin/background
[03:10] <Unit193> Pretty much, see if that works better.
[03:10] <anenzymaticboom> IT WORKS!!!!!
[03:10] <anenzymaticboom> Thanks GUYS!!
[03:10] <Unit193> Sure, welcome.
[03:10] <anenzymaticboom> Can we just hold on for one more min, to make sure it is working?
[03:10] <Unit193> Speaking of such   The following packages will be upgraded: cron
[03:11] <anenzymaticboom> Oh snap, it works like a charm!
[03:11] <anenzymaticboom> so what did DISPLAY=:0 do?
[03:11] <anenzymaticboom> if you do not mind explaining...
[03:11] <Unit193> pleia2?
[03:11] <pleia2> basically it tells the shell what monitor/display/place to output the results to
[03:13] <anenzymaticboom> so would I need that for other sripts as well?  Like when I was trying to trouble shoot myself, I tried to execute a command that essentailly opened a txt document in an editor... it also failed
[03:13] <pleia2> for graphical programs, yeah probably
[03:13] <anenzymaticboom> ok
[03:13] <anenzymaticboom> well thanks
[03:13] <anenzymaticboom> anyway I can tip?
[03:14] <pleia2> hehe
[03:18] <anenzymaticboom> Well have a good night/day depending on where you are.
[03:18] <anenzymaticboom> I will praise this IRC and spread the good word.
[03:19] <Unit193> You already have it set, so fi you just add more to crontab that need a gui you are set already.
[03:19] <anenzymaticboom> thanks... now how do I quit this IRC... solved.  Good night
[04:17] <xubuntu883> Hey, is there any way to change an option for the color of selected tabs?
[04:18] <Unit193> In what program?
[04:18] <xubuntu883> just overall, but the program I've noticed it in is bluefish
[04:19] <Unit193> Each program may or may not have a setting for that, if I understand what you want.
[04:20] <xubuntu883> yeah, i wasn't sure if there was a generic setting for active tabs in xubuntu or not
[09:38] <untaken> I use spotify in xfce, I would like to stop and pause the music with a keyboard shortcut. Is there anyway I can do this. It shows up in the task bar, where I can pause it from there; but would like to control it via the keyboard. Any ideas?
[09:55] <astraljava> untaken: It seems we could use examples from this page: http://kothar.net/index.php/blog/30-spotifydbus
[09:56] <astraljava> untaken: Noticed there an update at the end of the page, linking to an app providing the mappings. Will have to check it out.
[09:56] <untaken> me takes a look (thanks)
[10:11] <untaken> astraljava: sweet, did the job. thanks mate :)
[10:16] <Chintu> Hey, What is the System requirment for Xubuntu? :)
[10:16] <Chintu> I mean, CPU?
[10:17] <Chintu> May i run it on p4 1.7Ghz, 512MB SDRAM, ? :)
[10:17] <Chintu> Hope i'll get the reply soon :)
[10:19] <knome> should work ok, though don't expect it to be a rocket
[10:20] <Chintu> Aww!
[10:20] <hobgoblin> I use a p4 here - but I do have more RAM
[10:20] <Chintu> hmm,
[10:20] <Chintu> Okay!
[10:20] <Chintu> So should try out Lubuntu?
[10:21] <hobgoblin> up to you - I'd try xubuntu first ;)
[10:22] <Chintu> Hmm,
[10:22] <Chintu> So, i gonna try both then!
[10:22] <Chintu> First X and L
[10:22] <Chintu> I've tried, Ubuntu, but, it didn't work at all
[10:23] <Chintu> But, Just, Yesterday, i come to know that there are many kinds of Unbuntu, I just, googled..
[10:23] <Chintu> XUbuntu just impressed me!
[10:24] <Simooon> what didn't work about ubuntu? the install?
[10:24] <Chintu> No! I installed it on Window(Wubi like somethin)
[10:24] <Chintu> and Starts after more than 5 mins
[10:25] <Chintu> And then, When i do something, it hangs :/
[10:25] <Simooon> ahh, that's probably not the fastest way to use it, it is more a kind of way to check it out
[10:25] <Simooon> how old is your computer?
[10:26] <Chintu> I don't, I brought it from a Computer shop, when my p3 stopped working!
[10:26] <Chintu> It's second hand :/
[10:26] <Simooon> so it's quite old?
[10:26] <Chintu> Nope! It doesn't look old at all :/
[10:27] <Chintu> I just, bought a mother board that is old..
[10:27] <Chintu> And others are new!
[10:28] <Chintu> There's too RAM one is of 512 MB and another is 128 MB << Is than can be a problem with Ubuntu?
[10:28] <Chintu> two*
[10:29] <Simooon> well that sounds somewhat old to me ;-) I think xubuntu, lubuntu or some other lightweight system would be great for your computer
[10:29] <Chintu> Yeah!
[10:29] <Chintu> I'll try Xubuntu first!
[10:29] <Chintu> It should work!
[10:30] <Chintu> may i take a name of Linux Based operating system, what i used and it was good?
[10:32] <Chintu> Okay, I used and an operating system linux based. It was Gnome something.. And it worked good..
[10:32] <Simooon> I did not understand that question, could you rephrase that?
[10:32] <Simooon> ahh ok
[10:32] <Chintu> It was mint something!
[10:33] <Chintu> But, The only problem was, It corrupts my Another HDD everytime I connect :/
[10:33] <Simooon> there are many gnome based operating systems, most distros have more than one desktop environment to choose from. Linux mint is widely used and there is a gnome version
[10:34] <Chintu> Hmm, My question is that, If, It worked good, So Xubuntu can?
[10:34] <Chintu> it worked good on Linux Mint*
[10:35] <Chintu> Sorry for my bad english
[10:36] <Simooon> I'm sure you could solve your HDD problem, though I have no idea what it is, perhaps you should ask on a mint channel or generel hardware channel about that, xubuntu should work as well, it is mostly a matter of taste.
[10:36] <Simooon> linux mint also have a version using xfce (like xubuntu)
[10:36] <Chintu> Okay, But, I am not gonna install Mint again.. I don't want my Data lose once again :D
[10:37] <Chintu> lolz, I just used it, because, i've no idea that there's is a XUbuntu that can work on P4
[10:38] <Simooon> p4 as in pentium 4?
[10:38] <Chintu> Yeah!
[10:38] <Chintu> Intel Pentium 4
[10:38] <Simooon> sure
[10:38] <Chintu> 1.7Ghz
[10:39] <Chintu> Well, If it works good, then okay, if it doesn't... Then, There's another Unbuntu(Lunbuntu)
[10:39] <Chintu> lol
[10:39] <Simooon> as it is somewhat old processor I would recommend that you use a lightweight desktop environment like XFCE or LXDE both available as linux mint versions and ubuntu versions
[10:39] <Chintu> Well, What should i for better performance? Can you suggest me?
[10:40] <Chintu> i use*
[10:40] <Chintu> No linux mint anymore :P
[10:40] <Chintu> I'll get the Xubuntu
[10:40] <Simooon> ok, then go for xubuntu, that would be my recommendation
[10:41] <Simooon> since I'm not sure how mature LXDE is
[10:41] <Chintu> Okay!
[10:41] <Simooon> what is your native language?
[10:41] <Chintu> And it won't work.. I'll try Lubuntu
[10:42] <Chintu> They both have Wubi.exe as in Unbuntu?
[10:42] <Simooon> I don't think any of them use wubi, though I'm not sure
[10:43] <thedark> hello, how do I change the refresh rate of a second monitor (in this case, an old TV) on 12.04?
[10:43] <Chintu> Simooon: What? Xubuntu doesn't have wubi?
[10:44] <hobgoblin> xubuntu does - but I'd not recommend it
[10:44] <Simooon> not sure, but I don't think so, I would not recommend installing it that way anyway, does Mint use wubi?
[10:45] <Chintu> Nope! Mint doesn't have any Wubi, As i know!
[10:45] <Simooon> thedark, I think that is something you should do on your TV if it is even possible.
[10:45] <Simooon> Chintu, I think wubi is used only by ubuntu
[10:46] <Chintu> I'll use, Wubi first, I've a little knowledge about Linuxs, And if i am stuck with anything so i could use Window too
[10:46] <Chintu> Simooon, Yeah, That's Why i am asking that, Xubuntu hai Lubuntu has Wubi or not?
[10:46] <hobgoblin> Simooon: wubi is there in xubuntu
[10:46] <Chintu> Btw, I am clear now :)
[10:46] <thedark> Simoon: uh, wouldn't I use Xrandr?
[10:47] <hobgoblin> Simooon: but I too never recommend it
[10:47] <Simooon> hobgoblin, ok, I stand corrected :-P
[10:48] <Simooon> thedark, what connector are you using for the tv?
[10:48] <thedark> s-video
[10:48] <thedark> xubuntu detects the TV, I am pretty sure I just have to change the refresh rate
[10:48] <thedark> it was working perfectly in 10.10
[10:49] <thedark> the bootup screen even showed up on it
[10:49] <thedark> but it showed the refresh rate as 30hz
[10:49] <Simooon> well if it worked before then I guess it should still work, don't know how though
[10:49] <thedark> now xubuntu 12.04 sets it to 60hz and it doesn't display anything, despite being detected
[10:50] <thedark> I am pretty sure I just gotta use xrandr to change the refresh rate
[10:50] <Simooon> Chintu, did you catch that xubuntu apparently have wubi?
[10:50] <thedark> I am trying to figure it out now :(
[10:51] <Simooon> thedark, perhaps you should try arandr?
[10:51] <Chintu> Simooon: Yeah! I guessed, It should have :p
[10:52] <hobgoblin> I wouldn't use it though Chintu
[10:52] <thedark> I have
[10:52] <thedark> no option for Refresh Rate :(
[10:53] <Chintu> But, I would like to install it through Wubi first!
[10:53] <Simooon> you know that you can still dual boot without wubi, right?
[10:54] <hobgoblin> Chintu: you do as you wish to - I'm just saying that I would not use it - nor would I recommend it's use.
[10:54] <Chintu> Simooon: How could i? :o
[10:54] <Chintu> hobgoblin: Does it slow the OS?
[10:54] <Simooon> Just install it alongside windows
[10:55] <Simooon> Chintu, wubi makes linux slower, though windows should not be affected.
[10:55] <Chintu> But, Then, I won't be able to Uninstall it..If, i'll plan to install Lunbuntu?
[10:56] <hobgoblin> Chintu: yes you can :)
[10:56] <hobgoblin> you just install over the top of it
[10:56] <Chintu> Hmm, Maybe, That's the problem, Why Ubuntu didn't work good on my PC :/
[10:56] <hobgoblin> ubuntu wouldn't have worked well with 512Mb
[10:57] <Simooon> thedark, perhaps you can use this: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=265224
[10:57] <thedark> checking it out, thanks for trying to help me out
[10:57] <Chintu> Hmm,
[10:57] <Simooon> thedark, np
[10:59] <hobgoblin> Chintu: what version of windows do you have?
[10:59] <Chintu> I've told my friend to download Xubuntu for me!
[10:59] <Chintu> hobgoblin: Windows XP SP2
[10:59] <Chintu> I just, use it for performance
[10:59] <Simooon> Chintu, perhaps you should look at some youtube tutorials on this, they can be quite enlightening
[11:00] <Chintu> Oh! Youtube, Can't :(
[11:00] <Chintu> It's an slow network here!
[11:00] <Simooon> ahh sucks, there are great text/picture guides as well though.
[11:01] <hobgoblin> Chintu: you shouldn't have any issues with that - boot the iso and then let it shrink your partition and it will install in new partitions
[11:01] <Chintu> Okay! I am gonna install it tonight!
[11:02] <Chintu> I'll be here with my mobile, while, i'll be installing XUbuntu!
[11:02] <hobgoblin> defrag it a couple of times and have backups
[11:02] <hobgoblin> Chintu: if you have ethernet you will be bale to get here in the livecd
[11:02] <Chintu> I am having a USB internet!
[11:02] <Chintu> So i can't
[11:03] <Chintu> Thanks for your support guys! :)
[11:03] <Simooon> np
[11:03] <Chintu> you all are nice :)
[11:03] <Chintu> I'll be here soon, When i start the Installation :)
[11:05] <Chintu> brb
[12:12] <xubuntu135> någon svensk här inne som kan hjälpa lite ???
[12:13] <knome> !se | xubuntu135
[13:38] <foobar55> hi all
[13:40] <foobar55> someone knows about more about kernel 3.x / xubuntu / pae  to use on old ibm thinkpads ?
[13:40] <foobar55> how long couldt i calculate with non-pae-kernels ?
[13:45] <holstein> i cant imagine needing PAE on an old machine, but you can look for a live CD with PAE, or make one... i would probably just install and try it
[13:51] <foobar55> holstein in sh ?
[13:53] <foobar55> 12.04 xubuntu is without pae - but how long ? btw. so long the LTS runs ?
[13:54] <astraljava> foobar55: Yes, it'll be the same kernel during the whole lifecycle of the release, just with updates of course.
[13:56] <foobar55> ok - but when 12.04 LTS runs out ?? may be in three years - i put my old laptops to garbache ?
[13:57] <astraljava> foobar55: I couldn't tell, but maybe some other distros will provide a working kernel, or like holstein suggested, you can roll your own.
[13:57] <astraljava> foobar55: Xubuntu precise (12.04) is supported for 3 years, yes.
[14:00] <foobar55> i split my P III mobile in dual core with a knife
[14:09] <SandJ> foobar55, when the op sys goes out of support, it does not stop existing.  It can still be downloaded and backported updates will still appear.
[14:10] <SandJ> And once an op sys is 3 years old, there is unlikely to be any need for it to be supported - everything that might go wrong has gone wrong!
[14:16] <foobar55> oohhh, my thinkpads are ten years old - i hope i can use them the next ten years
[14:34] <Chintu> Hello guys!
[14:34] <Chintu> Weird thing happened! lolz
[14:35] <Chintu> I just, Put my disc to burn it up with Xubuntu ... And my PC hangs lolz
[14:36] <Chintu> I can just see.. DVD-WR's green light now
[14:36] <Chintu> And hoping that... CD won't be corrupt lllz
[14:40] <ochosi> Reminder/Disclaimer: -- Xubuntu Community meeting in 20min in #xubuntu-devel. --
[15:00] <SandJ> Chintu, I hope you have more luck than me.  About half the CDs and DVDs I make are useless.  :-(
[15:03] <Chintu> SandJ: Weird, The disc is fully blank.. after 20 minute of burning time.. I was thinking.. That, It would show inaccessible disc :/
[15:03] <SandJ> Was the "test burn only" option set?
[15:07] <Chintu> Nope, My PC just hanged, When i started the Burning! :/
[15:07] <Chintu> It seems like hardware problem
[15:07] <SandJ> ... and saved your blank CD from an untimely death.
[15:08] <Chintu> I should use, The USB boot method... Can anyone help me with it? :)
[15:08] <Chintu> lolz! Yeah, SandJ
[15:08] <hobgoblin> !unetbootin | Chintu
[15:09] <Chintu> Oh, I am on mobile, I should get on PC to see that link..
[15:10] <Chintu> I think, I should.. Postpone it to some another day :(
[15:10] <Chintu> Wow!
[15:11] <Chintu> Guys, zproblem is solved :)
[15:11] <Chintu> -z
[15:11] <Chintu> It was hardware fault.. lolz
[15:11] <Chintu> I just forgot to remove the Corrupt Harddisk from my system :D
[15:12] <Chintu> Burn, Process is running smoothly right now :)
[15:13] <Chintu> Wow, Completed ^_^
[15:13] <Chintu> it was so fast :D
[15:14] <Chintu> So, What should i do first?
[15:14] <Chintu> Defrag my disk?
[15:17] <SandJ> Have you removed the corrupt hard disk?
[15:20] <Chintu> Yes! :)
[15:20] <Chintu> It was just connected with motherboard not with.. SMPS
[15:21] <Chintu> And now, I am doing defragmentation of C:\
[15:36] <Chintu> Defragmented it twice.. I think,it's a good time to start installation :)
[15:37] <hobgoblin> up to you - but I always turned the pagefile off before I installed next to windows - the installer won't move it and it might be in the way of making a useful size partition
[15:37] <Chintu> So, I should turn off pagefile too
[15:38] <Chintu> Just, Restaring my PC
[15:38] <Chintu> Should i turf ogpf pagefile of all Partition or just one(C:) ?
[15:38] <Chintu> turn off*
[15:39] <Chintu> Sorry, If iam asking too many question.. :)
[15:40] <Chintu> I am not that stupid, But, If someone helps me...Then, I use to be :p
[15:45] <hobgoblin> there's only one pagefile in windows from memory
[15:46] <Chintu> I'd page files from all 4 partitions :/
[15:49] <Chintu> The installation is just stopped :(
[15:50] <Chintu> An Error Occurred: Permission Denied
[15:50] <Chintu> For more information, please, see the log file.. :/
[16:07] <Chintu> The Xubuntu installation is too slow, As like Ubuntu... :(
[16:07] <Chintu> I am giving 8GB space to it :p
[16:10] <hobgoblin> Chintu: installing takes time
[16:11] <Chintu> Nope, The cursor is taking a while to move after moving my mouse :/
[16:11] <Chintu> Is it common?
[16:12] <hobgoblin> I've had it on machines with low RAM
[16:13] <Chintu> So, It won't work fast on my PC? :/
[16:15] <Chintu> Importing from Microsoft window is an good Idea?
[16:18] <hobgoblin> Chintu: have you installed it yet?
[16:19] <hobgoblin> while you are installing - you have your ram trying to install and run the livecd for you to look at - all at the same time :)
[16:19] <Chintu> Nope, Installation is running!
[16:19] <hobgoblin> then wait till it's rebooted before you decide how fast or slow it is :)
[16:19] <Chintu> Oh, That's why, It is slow?
[16:19] <Chintu> lolz Okay :)
[16:23] <coreyman> So I'm trying to add Aptana Studio to the xfce menu and I can't figure this out.... I've been googling and hacking for the past hour on this.
[16:24] <bluesabre> Hi coreyman, Have you tried using alacarte?
[17:00] <xubuntu730> Hello. I tried to install Xubuntu with a live CD, but the step of copying files never ends... What's the problem? What can I try?
[17:00] <SandJ> How long is "never ends"?
[17:01] <xubuntu730> more than 20 min
[17:01] <SandJ> And can you see the drive light - does it stop flashing after a certain time?
[17:01] <xubuntu730> yes, it stops flashing.
[17:01] <xubuntu730> It restarts flashing when I click every anywhere with the mouse :p :D
[17:02] <xubuntu730> but then, it doesn't flash anymore
[17:02] <xubuntu730> It happened also with a Lubuntu
[17:03] <xubuntu730> Now, I'm trying to install a Xubuntu-alternate...
[17:04] <Chintu> It's Installed and much better speed than, Ubuntu, Thank you to All XUbuntu family :)
[17:07] <Chintu> I am gonna give my whole night to understand XUbuntu :)
[17:08] <xubuntu730> Where does the problem comes from when the installing process stop on copying files ?
[17:09] <Chintu> Disk drive?
[17:10] <xubuntu730> Chintu : I'm installing from a live CD
[17:10] <Chintu> lolz, I don't know, Much about it,,.. I just joined the XUbuntu today :p
[17:13] <Chintu> Okay, Guys had a nice with you all... I'll back.. With more questions and suggestions  :p
[17:13] <Chintu> Take care!
[17:35] <xubuntu730> I succeed installing XUbuntu with the alternate version (the installation of the desktop version was blocking at the end of copying files)
[17:36] <xubuntu730> I still don't understand why I had this problem with the desktop version... maybe because it's an old PC ?
[17:41] <SandJ> Could it be a fault with the downloading / burning of the CD?
[17:44] <xubuntu730> bye
[19:12] <faryshta> How do I add an evento to the "save screen" key? I think in english is
[20:37] <elsuco> Hi.... I am having a weird issue with starting xubuntu 12.04 on a 3.2.0-25-generic kernel.
[20:37] <elsuco> After the start it takes about a minute until i can use keyboard shortcuts
[20:38] <elsuco> before that the Xserver will take a full cpu and xfce4-settings-helper will take about 25% of the second cpu.
[20:38] <elsuco> Does anybody have an idea on what the source of this problem might be?
[20:39] <holstein> elsuco: i would try another kernel to confirm that its a kernel issue, otherwise, i might tend to just wait the minute and deal with it, since i dont reboot often
[20:42] <elsuco> the issue has been since kernel 3.0.* and for some reason my desktop freezes sometimes(i think it is something with the nvidia-driver, since nothing appears in syslog) and i have to restart a lot in the last few days.
[20:42] <elsuco> is there some way to check the integrety of the system or something like that?
[20:44] <holstein> might be... i would probably load up a live CD and force the vesa graphics driver... i would try maybe a 10.04 live CD
[20:45] <elsuco> how do i force the vesa driver? is it a boot option in grub?
[20:45] <holstein> elsuco: safe graphics mode
[20:46] <holstein> you can hit shift, and get grub showing, and hit F6 and force safe graphics
[20:46] <elsuco> ok thanks, i will try that and see what happens
[20:49] <elsuco> thanks for the support
[21:20] <David-A> elsuco: I'v had Xubuntu versions that used 100% cpu for a while when running xmodmap.


 @Sick_Rimmit so what is this meeting to discuss?
 Going to look a Audio Video tools, Coding and developing and Gaming with steam and lutris
 General q&a and a bit of a chat
 Thanks. I just forwarded your post to the Ubuntu Podcast TG group, so needed to be able to say what was to go on if asked. 😉
 That's great, thanks @RikMills 😁
 @Sick_Rimmit Gotta leave that chat for now. Did not 'book' time with family :P
 You know where I am
 No worries
 thanks for dropping in
 LOL. I missed what you meant to upstream. Tell me after :)


[07:55] <TigerLuo> hello!  every one
[08:23] <JackYu> hi, tigerluo
[08:26] <ypwong> TigerLuo, hey
[08:33] <maclin> :)
[08:43] <JackYu> ypwong, see http://www.ubuntukylin.com/test/new/
[08:44] <JackYu> the new version of website is under construction at /test. Hope to be online this night.
[08:50] <ypwong> JackYu, got it


[08:01] <TomasMcKinless> Hi guys, this is my first visit, just going to throw this out there, when using 32-bit 11.04 yesterday, i enabled the pidgin add-on which pops the screen up when someone messages me, then i minimised the screen, used CTRL+ALT+L to lock the screen and someone messaged me. Result: pidgin pops up and shows me the message even though I am 'locked' or not logged in. Pidgin disappears upon moving the mouse or typing, though im pretty sure this can go dow
[08:15] <Snicksie> TomasMcKinless, if you think this is a bug (it seems it is) you can file a bug. Here you can find more information about how to do that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs .
[08:17] <TomasMcKinless> ok thanks
[09:05] <cody_> Hello
[11:13] <head_victim> Gday all. I'm not what you'd call an experienced bug reporter. Can anyone suggest to me what is being asked for in bug 904200 ? I'd assumed the string number was enough for someone with more skills than I for that sort of issue.
[11:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 904200 in app-install-data-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Two strings of text have spelling errors (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904200
[13:21] <TREESofRIGHTEOUS> Hey is anyone around?  I have a quick question
[14:27] <hggdh> trees of righteous? Hum. But, anyways, academic -- no patience
[16:23] <mrand> anyone else get added to this "Open Source Freedom Society" on launchpad by Reuben Potts?  It has no mailing list and no content other than to point to a wordpress blog with only one posting.
[16:27] <hggdh> mrand: yes, see https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/181648
[16:30] <mrand> thanks.  *sigh*
[16:38]  * roadmr is in OSFS too!
[16:41] <hggdh> I was there, and included myself out
[16:44] <hggdh> head_victim: it is always good to point out what version of the package/ubuntu you found it. Usually this all gets fleshed out if you open the bug with 'ubuntu-bug'
[20:27] <iceroot> when a new release (12.04) does not use a package by default which was default in 11.10 should the update remove that package automaticly? in this case lubuntu 12.04 is no longer using lxde but it is still installed. i am not sure if it is a bug
[20:29] <iceroot> what is the correct place to open bugs against ubuntu.com? also launchpad? if so, what "package" should be used for the category
[20:29] <hggdh> iceroot: generically, I am against removing packages just because they are not default anymore. But, for your case, the bext woul dbe to ask on a Lubuntu channel, like #lubuntu
[20:30] <iceroot> hggdh: its more of a general question about updates in that case
[20:31] <hggdh> iceroot: then my general answer will work ;-)
[20:31] <iceroot> :)
[20:31] <hggdh> iceroot: for web content issues on ubuntu.com, you can use...
[20:32] <hggdh> ubuntu-bug ubuntu-website-content
[20:32] <iceroot> hggdh: thank you
[20:32] <micahg> hggdh: does that actually work?
[20:33] <iceroot> hggdh: not working, package not found
[20:33] <hggdh> darn!
[20:33] <hggdh> micahg: already answered, I guess
[20:33] <hggdh> iceroot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+filebug
[20:33] <iceroot> hggdh: great, thank you
[20:34] <hggdh> for launchpad, you can ask for help on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad


[20:11] <bkerensa> AlanBell: ello ;)
[20:16] <AlanBell> hi bkerensa :)
[20:16] <AlanBell> #ubuntu-ops is -> that way
[20:16] <bkerensa> yar
[20:17] <AlanBell> bkerensa: you might get a few declines as well for different channels, don't worry about that, people start with one
[20:18] <bkerensa> AlanBell: :P I would decline if you accepted me for more than one
[20:36] <Unit193> AlanBell: There's your chance, if you haven't already.
[21:12] <philipballew> AlanBell, will you decline people for the channels the applied for before you accept them for one?
[22:19] <AlanBell> philipballew: most people were declined from all the channels, we had loads of applicants to process as the queues had not been touched for some time


[09:14] <daxroc> Morning
[10:16] <tdr112> morning all
[10:28] <ebel> yo
[10:39] <czajkowski> morning all
[11:52] <daxroc> czajkowski: You looking for anything on the uk iso's? been working with some recently
[11:57] <daxroc> mysql transfers in:out this month 152.35 Gb | 1244.17 Gb :O
[12:00] <czajkowski> daxroc: international ones tis ok thanks
[12:01] <daxroc> czajkowski: no worries, have fun
[12:02] <ebel> hehe, wonder will ubuntu-uk.org change name :P
[12:03] <ebel> since the ISO country code for the United Kingdom is actually GB :P
[12:03] <czajkowski> hah
[12:04] <czajkowski> it's more the names are wrong for teams
[12:04] <czajkowski> so there is no set standard and we're bringing it in
[12:04] <czajkowski> also there is a welsh team
[12:04] <czajkowski> however active it is
[12:05] <tdr112> do you think its needed
[12:05] <czajkowski> yup
[12:05] <czajkowski> if you look at loco.u.c
[12:05] <czajkowski> you cant tell some teams what they are
[12:06] <czajkowski> so the idea is to make it easier to find a team as well
[12:06] <czajkowski> and standardise the naming
[12:06] <czajkowski> it's rather a bigger issue in USA
[12:07] <ebel> hehe, make em all one team. :P
[12:07] <ebel> *ducks*
[12:09] <tdr112> good idea ebel :)
[12:30] <czajkowski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Exceptional_reservations
[12:33] <ebel> hehehe. depends on how pedantic one wants to be.
[12:35] <ebel> techically there are more ISO 3166 codes than countries. Like Svalbard has one (SJ), even though that's part of norway (I think)
[12:35] <ebel> and of course the channel islands have 1 each.
[12:36] <ebel> though they're weird. one of the channel islands was the last place in europe to get rid of feudalism.... in 2008ish
[12:36] <ebel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sark#Transition_to_a_new_system_of_government
[12:37] <ebel> "In 2008, Sark dismantled its previous system of government, which had evolved gradually from its original system established in 1565" :)
[12:37] <slashtom> did i mention UK (and crown protectorates) are stuck in the past?
[15:30] <czajkowski> ebel: dear lord man your hair is long :p
[15:30] <ebel> :P
[15:30] <ebel> not as long as yours!
[15:31] <czajkowski> this is true but short hair doesnt suit me
[15:31] <czajkowski> though I think jon would liek it shorter as he roomba tends to eat my hair
[15:33] <ebel> I wondered about that.... do you spend a lot of time lying on the floor?
[15:33] <ebel> Or has the roomba grown legs and arms and can attack humans in a war-of-the-world thing?
[15:35] <czajkowski> no my hair sheds when stressed
[15:35] <czajkowski> given the last few months it's falling out :(
[15:35] <czajkowski> on plus side back assement  unit next week
[15:36] <ebel> :( *hugs*
[15:37] <slashtom> what's a roomba?
[15:38] <ebel> slashtom: a magic machine for doing the vacuuming
[15:39] <czajkowski> oh it works wonders
[15:39] <czajkowski> as long as you dont leave socks on the floor which jon does
[15:41] <slashtom> ebel: how come we don't have one?
[15:41] <ebel> slashtom: good point.... do they work on wooden floors?
[15:42] <ebel> wonder if you can get one that will go into all the little tiny corners and sweap out things
[15:43] <slashtom> aye, right where the dust gathers
[15:43] <slashtom> can it mop floors too?
[15:44] <ebel> don't think so
[15:44] <czajkowski> yup
[15:44] <ebel> it's basically a vacuum cleaner+radar+motor
[15:44] <czajkowski> newer ones wash
[15:44] <ebel> really? fuck me that sounds cool....
[15:44] <czajkowski> does wooden floors
[15:44] <czajkowski> and carpet
[15:44] <czajkowski> and tiles
[15:45] <czajkowski> and gets into most nook and crannies due to its brushes
[15:45]  * slashtom likes the sound of this magical device
[15:46]  * ebel too....
[15:46] <slashtom> ebel even moreso, i suspect
[15:49] <czajkowski> lol
[15:49] <czajkowski> I love the roomba
[15:49] <czajkowski> as long as it doesnt eat socks or cat5 cables
[15:49] <daxroc> czajkowski: Did you have issues with blacknight dns recently ?
[15:49] <slashtom> ebel puts his socks in the magic laundry basket
[15:50] <czajkowski> daxroc: nope
[15:50] <czajkowski> IMAP stuff with mail but seems fine now
[15:50] <czajkowski> ebel: got that mail for me yet ?
[15:50] <ebel> ah no
[15:50] <ebel> though BK have credited our account, and we have another year. :D
[16:08] <locodir-user> hi all
[16:09] <ebel> yo
[16:10] <locodir-user> how do i sign up to help promote Ubuntu up here in Inishowen?
[16:10] <ebel> hmmm
[16:10] <ebel> well there isn't really anything you *need* to sign up for. You can just do it.
[16:11] <ebel> Is there any particular way you'd like to promote ubuntu?
[16:11] <locodir-user> kool where can i get CD's from to hand out to people
[16:11] <locodir-user> or POS
[16:11] <locodir-user> Point Of Sale etc
[16:11] <ebel> we've done release parties, ubuntu hours, geeknics, bugjams, here
[16:12] <locodir-user> ahh kool
[16:13] <ebel> well the ubuntu-ie loco got a batch of professional cds from canonical. but airurando (who's not online now) was distributing them
[16:13] <ebel> are you on the mailing list?
[16:13] <locodir-user> no not yet ?
[16:14] <locodir-user> how do i sign up
[16:14] <ebel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-ie
[16:15] <locodir-user> ahh found it
[16:15] <ebel> so most 'announcments' are on that list, so it's a good way to keep up to date.
[16:15] <locodir-user> just signed up
[16:15] <ebel> there's also this IRC channel
[16:15] <locodir-user> kool ok will keep in the loop
[16:15] <ebel> and twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/ubuntuie )  and identi.ca ( http://identi.ca/ubuntuie )
[16:16] <locodir-user> I have loaded a few systems with the new ubuntu 11.04 and had great feed back
[16:16] <locodir-user> just signed up to the Facebook page
[16:16] <ebel> anyone can post to that mailing list
[16:16] <locodir-user> thats what led me here
[16:16] <ebel> I'm in Dublin, but if you were to email that list, there might be someone else around your neck of the woods.
[16:18] <locodir-user> ok ill do that - Ive not found anyone up here yet that uses it
[16:18] <ebel> you could have an informal social meet up? see who turns up?
[16:18] <ebel> we've done that many times, as an 'ubuntu hour' where we just meet in a pub or whatever and hang out
[16:19] <ebel> chance to meet new people, etc.
[16:19] <locodir-user> yes will have a go at setting up somthing localy  - Thanks for all the help - gotta get dinner on    thanks again
[16:19] <ebel> :)
[16:19] <ebel> any time
[16:19] <ebel> just drop in here, there's often people about.
[16:21] <locodir-user> Will do thanks!
[16:21] <locodir-user> all the best
[18:08] <InishSteve> Hi all
[18:09] <czajkowski> InishSteve: Aloha
[18:10] <InishSteve> I was just setting up my phone to access this irc server
[18:12] <jshortland> i just did the pame IrishSteve. went with androirc
[18:16] <InishSteve> Same here lol
[18:16] <czajkowski> :)
[18:17] <InishSteve> Good stuff   android is a very good system
[18:19] <jshortland> had to use an italian firmware to upgrade to 2.2. bit of a pain. might have to pick up the galaxy s 2
[18:30] <InishSteve> The s 2 looks nice
[18:44] <czajkowski> http://www.infoturtle.ie//juice/index.php?q=node/158  should really go on the LD
[19:01] <tdr112> evening all
[19:01] <czajkowski> tdr112: howdy
[19:02] <tdr112> i am off to galway tomorrow
[19:02] <tdr112> on a stag
[19:02] <tdr112> i hope the rain stops some time
[19:04] <czajkowski> cool
[19:04] <czajkowski> Galway is nice
[19:05] <InishSteve> Been raining in inishowen all day
[19:08] <tdr112> hope to meet some hackerspace guys too
[19:47] <InishSteve> Whats hackerspace
[19:59] <thethomaseffect> It's a regular meetup at a place where people can work on their projects around like-minded individuals
[19:59] <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: we have new hosting sorted
[19:59] <czajkowski> waiting on dns changes
[20:03] <InishSteve> Hi ebel thanks for the help today... I registered to receive emails
[20:03] <thethomaseffect> czajkowski:  Ah super!
[20:04] <ebel> InishSteve: cool, no bother :)
[20:04] <thethomaseffect> czajkowski:  Have been working through some jquery tutorials all day :)
[20:04] <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: once ebel mails me stuff I mail canonical IS and we get things moving
[20:05] <czajkowski> may take a week
[20:05] <ebel> :P
[20:05] <thethomaseffect> Any thoughts on using wordpress as a CMS instead of drupal?
[20:05] <czajkowski> which ever is the easies
[20:05] <thethomaseffect> lots of reasons why it would fit better
[20:05] <czajkowski> and we can pull in or show the plant ubutnu ireland
[20:06] <thethomaseffect> built-in SEO, easier to administrate, really easy to backup content
[20:06] <thethomaseffect> pulling in planet is no issue at all
[20:06] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/aggregator
[20:18] <InishSteve> Must have gotten disconed


[03:25] <rick_h_> hope CHC went well, almost all packed wheee
[10:34] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Yeah, we had mrgoodcat and waf there
[10:35] <cmaloney> Though we ducked out early because the prof wasn't there. :)
[12:43] <mrgoodcat> it was one of my most productive chc meetings too
[12:44] <mrgoodcat> i almost did homework
[13:00] <brousch_> Heh, my friend is supposed to give a talk about using TrueCrypt tonight at WMLUG
[13:07] <jrwren> lol
[13:08] <jrwren> my money is on someone picking it up.
[13:08] <jrwren> i didn't read the details about them folding
[13:10] <jrwren> iirc snowden taught greenwald to use truecrypt when greenwald went to russia
[13:23] <mrgoodcat> check out the pretty new haskell website. not done yet but shows promise http://haskell-lang.org/
[13:23] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/eLEsq1 - Haskell Programming Language
[13:24] <mrgoodcat> the current haskell.org kinda sucks...
[13:29] <mrgoodcat> here's the blog post where the creator explains his motivations/methodologies http://chrisdone.com/posts/haskell-lang
[13:29] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Yw2G3a - An alternative Haskell home page
[13:33] <brousch_> Are there any things I know of that are written in Haskell?
[13:38] <mrgoodcat> well that's a difficult question to answer...
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> pandoc?
[13:39] <mrgoodcat> if you're asking a question like that the answer is probably no
[13:40] <brousch_> I am wondering if it's been used for any real project or if it's just an academic language
[13:42] <mrgoodcat> ah i understand. http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_in_industry
[13:42] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/N3OIn - Haskell in industry - HaskellWiki
[13:42] <mrgoodcat> notably, at&t and some banks
[13:43] <cmaloney> Pretty sure the answer to most languages that you've heard of is they're being used somewhere.
[13:43] <cmaloney> Heck, I'm sure someone out there is using Brainfuck in production
[13:56] <Havenstance> mrgoodcat, it appears that using community edition software in a production environment isn't a good idea.  We put a router in place of the box to hold over until we get it fixed
[14:03] <Havenstance> I had xubuntu 13.10 on it for the GUI that worked to make him happy there. Then I put zentyal over that and it worked great but xubuntu kept complaining that xubuntu 14.04 was out and watned to upgrade. I told him doing it would break the system just to click ignore cuz I didn't know how to make it stop
[14:03] <Havenstance> Probably was an easy setting or something well he mistakenly clicked upgrade and gave it the password and it proceeded to Fubar itself
[14:04] <Havenstance> he's since paid for the latest edition of ClearOS Professional and is having me run with that. I don't know anything about it but I suppose I didn't know anything about zentyal either and now I at least have some terminal experience under my belt to help figure things out.
[14:05] <Havenstance> but good news is if I need help with it. I can call the support line and they will walk me through it. So that's a blessing I suppose
[14:06] <Havenstance> We are putting it on two machines though and going to keep one as a redundancy that just sits there until we need it.
[14:09] <Havenstance> the guy might be picky as hell but he's smart as a whip he's the one that threw the router at me when it happened said pull that out and throw this in. then I had to change IPs on all POS machines and the servers for them.... It made for an interesting hour to say the least lol
[16:56] <cmaloney> Happy Afternoon
[17:00] <greg-g> not yet
[17:00]  * greg-g slept in
[19:38] <mrgoodcat> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/05/openssl-to-get-a-security-audit-and-two-full-time-developers/
[19:38] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/dX3LB8 - OpenSSL to get a security audit and two full-time developers | Ars Technica
[19:46] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: About time
[19:47] <cmaloney> It's interesting how something that pretty much powers the entirey security of the OSS online presence was pretty much completely volunteer.
[19:49] <greg-g> interesting but not surprising
[19:49] <greg-g> I get more and more cynical the longer I work at FLOSS orgs.
[19:50] <greg-g> WMF's infra is 99.9999% FLOSS (only our server BIOS, Juniper routers, the one NetApp server, and MaxMind GeoIP database are proprietary), so we're the canary for a lot of things.
[19:50] <greg-g> (that doesn't count developer side things like laptops, or google docs in use by other parts of the org, etc)
[19:51] <cmaloney> greg-g: Oh definitely not surprising
[19:51] <cmaloney> greg-g: cynincal in what regard?
[19:51] <greg-g> I wonder if my talk on this topic will be accepted at the next Wikimania in London
[19:52] <greg-g> cmaloney: mostly pragmatic that there aren't always maintainers of every bit of software we run, so we need to step up and learn/fix things other people wrote all the time.
[19:52] <greg-g> the hard part is the "we" in that sentence is mostly just my team, not the other teams in engineering
[19:53] <greg-g> iow: my team is a part of "Platform" whereas all the other teams are "Feature teams" aka 'writing new greenfield shit'
[19:54] <greg-g> there's a good quote from our team tech lead: Platform team. We do all the boring things. Well, we don't think they're boring.
[19:54] <cmaloney> heh
[19:56] <cmaloney> greg-g: Yeah, I think many organizations don't realize that OSS is more than just downloading someone else's work
[19:56] <cmaloney> there's also a stewardship component
[19:56] <greg-g> sometimes it can be, most times if you're really invested in it, it's much much more
[19:56] <greg-g> yep
[19:57] <cmaloney> It's pushing patches upstream
[19:57] <cmaloney> and making sure to file reports if something breaks
[19:57] <cmaloney> And stepping up if something doesn't get fixed
[19:57] <greg-g> luckily we do upstream'ing right, it'd be hard if I worked some place that either didn't push things upstream or was bad about releasing/accepting patches to our code
[19:58] <cmaloney> Yeah, I've been fortunate with the last few jobs (minus one) for releasing code upstream.
[19:58]  * greg-g nods
[19:59] <greg-g> Every now and then I pinch myself. My only real jobs (3 at this point, after grad school) have been very privileged in this respect
[19:59] <greg-g> (being a camp counselor and fast food worker in college doesn't count ;) )
[20:00] <cmaloney> I have never done more with my life after smacking cans at Meijer
[20:00] <cmaloney> that was the height of my career.
[20:00] <greg-g> smacking cans?
[20:00] <greg-g> busking?
[20:01] <cmaloney> No, working at the bottle return pre-self-service
[20:01] <greg-g> ahhh
[20:03] <cmaloney> It's one of those jobs (like elevator operator) that you'll have to explain to folks what that was.
[20:04] <greg-g> :)
[20:04] <greg-g> funny, we still have door men ;)
[20:05] <brousch_> cmaloney: My 6 year old does that job now:P
[20:05] <brousch_> I'm sure he gets much more fun out of it too
[20:06] <cmaloney> prepping him for the wild world of button-pushing, eh? :)
[20:07]  * cmaloney just got this shiver for what the office of 10 years from now will look like
[20:07] <cmaloney> "Here's your desk, and here's your tablet"
[20:08] <cmaloney> http://blog.logitech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Tablet-Keyboard_BTY2_A_Mac_72_dpi.jpg <- workstation
[20:08] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/C6v9Tj - image/jpeg
[20:09] <brousch_> cmaloney: I carry that around with me more often than my laptop. Of course it's a Nexus 10, but close enough
[20:10] <brousch_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AG0D61O/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[20:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/TIasf - Amazon.com: Poetic KeyBook Removable Bluetooth Keyboard Case for Google Nexus 10 Black (With Auto Sleep/Wake Function) (3 Year Warranty from Poetic): Computers & Accessories
[20:10] <cmaloney> http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/ssio03.jpg
[20:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/qR3VNi - image/jpeg
[20:10] <brousch_> If my PyOhio talk is accepted, I'll be presenting from it
[20:10] <cmaloney> There's your desktop machine. ;)
[20:11] <cmaloney> brousch_: So it's a laptop with a crappy hinge. ;)
[20:11] <brousch_> The keyboard is magnetic, so it can be moved anywhere
[20:11] <cmaloney> ... crappy hinge.
[20:12] <greg-g> :)
[20:12] <brousch_> :P
[20:13] <brousch_> The keyboard is the closest I've found to being "normal"
[20:13] <brousch_> Just a little bit of out-of-place in the lower right corner
[20:18] <mrgoodcat> i'm not worried about what the office will look like in ten years
[20:18] <mrgoodcat> you probably didn't think anyone could be productive on a laptop in 2004
[20:19] <brousch_> Office will be everyone using a 39" 8K touchscreen dumb terminal
[20:20] <greg-g> we'll go back to dumb terminals?
[20:20] <cmaloney> We aren't?
[20:20] <greg-g> or do you mean "fat clients" eg chromebooks
[20:20] <brousch_> Yes
[20:20] <brousch_> fat client is a better term
[20:21] <cmaloney> I'd argue the web is already the "smart terminal"
[20:21] <greg-g> dumb terminal to me means nothing on it other than a remote desktop-type thing
[20:21] <greg-g> yeah
[20:21] <greg-g> there's a good xkcd (of course) about the phone app analogy
[20:21] <greg-g> phone app vs webpage
[20:21] <brousch_> Damn, everything really will be written in Javascript
[20:22] <cmaloney> a-yep
[20:22] <greg-g> none of that crap coffeescript
[20:22] <cmaloney> It's like realizing everyone was writing in Basic
[20:23] <cmaloney> But a version of Basic that actively screws with variable types
[20:23] <cmaloney> No, wait, that is Basic.
[20:23] <cmaloney> ;)
[20:23] <cmaloney> Shitty floating point.
[20:23] <cmaloney> Hmm... starting to think Brendan Eich may have been a Microsoft plant all along. :)
[20:24] <greg-g> hah
[20:24] <mrgoodcat> you don't think javascript will ever be replaced?
[20:24] <mrgoodcat> i think that seems a bit unlikely
[20:25] <brousch_> It's been around forever, and nothing has replaced it yet
[20:26] <brousch_> You would need MS+Google+Mozilla to agree on something
[20:26] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: I think it will be replaced... by something that compiles down to Javascript
[20:26] <mrgoodcat> lol
[20:26] <mrgoodcat> i think something will not replace it but maybe be in addition to it
[20:26] <cmaloney> It's almost prophetic how it was named
[20:27] <mrgoodcat> and eventually everyone will stop using it
[20:27] <mrgoodcat> then it will die
[20:27] <brousch_> cmaloney: Sounds like I should pay more attention to pyjamas and its ilk
[20:27] <cmaloney> It's like a Java JVM that is scripted.
[20:27] <mrgoodcat> VERY VERY SLOWLY
[20:27] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Like FORTRAN
[20:27] <brousch_> I think VBScript is still around in ancient proprietary webapps
[20:30] <cmaloney> I'm surprised VBScript still runs
[21:26] <rick_h_> ugh the bugs!!!
[21:27] <greg-g> rick_h_: hey, are least you aren't dealing with a site issue today!
[21:27] <greg-g> https://identi.ca/greg
[21:27] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/EVPM3j - Greg Grossmeier - Identi.ca
[21:28] <rick_h_> greg-g: doh, deploy fail?
[21:28] <rick_h_> greg-g: oops
[21:28] <greg-g> actually no!
[21:28] <greg-g> ops puppet config fail
[21:28] <rick_h_> doh
[21:28] <rick_h_> time for juju charms :P
[21:28] <greg-g> so, not my team!
[21:28] <greg-g> hah, right
[21:28] <greg-g> no offense, but....
[21:29] <greg-g> ;)
[21:29] <rick_h_> just poking/kidding
[21:29] <greg-g> I know
[21:29] <greg-g> complexity is hard
[21:29] <rick_h_> yep yep
[22:15] <greg-g> rick_h_: bees?


[16:33] <MikeRL> Anyone else experiencing issues with either dash to dock or the Ubuntu dock GNOME shell extension? Opening the apps screen results in a mash-up of application icons and a window overview.
[16:34] <MikeRL> I know stuff can break on this, but I'm curious if it'll be fixed or the extension will be dropped as a default.
[16:35] <MikeRL> Last commits to dash to dock proper were in December 2020. And yes the bleeding edge master version still has the issue. Opening up the apps screen with neither enabled results in normal, expected behavior.
[16:37] <MikeRL> To tell the truth, I could've said this earlier, but was kind of busy. As in weeks. Sorry about that.
[17:48] <blue_penquin> Heh, people asking whether this time Ubuntu will stick with Wayland long-time ...
[17:52] <mort> unless things like dock issues get drastically better in <1.5 months I'd honestly say that gnome isn't ready for wayland by default yet


[08:00] <Seven_Six_Two> I have an encrypted home with opensuse. can I decrypt it with ubuntu?
[11:04] <BobJonkman1> Seven_Six_Two: What kind of encryption? Ubuntu uses ecryptfs for home folder; LUKS for partition (whole disk) encryption.  I think btrfs may have its own encryption too
[11:05] <Seven_Six_Two> luks
[11:06] <Seven_Six_Two> I've had enough opensuse...
[14:39] <azend> Seven_Six_Two: haha
[14:39] <azend> well said
[17:03] <genii> BobJonkman1: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2701-trusty-tahr-toronto-release-party/   ..Had to put you as the contact since I don't appear on the dropdown list.
[17:45] <BobJonkman1> Fixed that for you: You're listed as "mystic-scientist (Genii)". Also added it to the Trusty Tahr Release Parties global event
[17:45] <BobJonkman1> I think it grabs contact names directly from Launchpad
[17:46] <genii> BobJonkman1: Yeah, when I added it originally there was no global event to attach it to, jose in #ubuntu-locoteams added it just a little while ago
[17:46] <genii> At least this time I didn't have the event ending before it was supposed to begin ;)
[17:51] <BobJonkman1> Gotta ask someone to add an OpenDataDay global event too.
[17:53] <BobJonkman1> Seems like the LoCo portal is underutilized. There are almost no events listed. Merely 25 upcoming events for all the Ubuntu  LoCos in the world is tiny
[17:53] <genii> Yup :(
[17:56] <azend> genii: that's because it's a pain to use :P
[17:57] <genii> I actually don't find it so bad. Well, except for that time like stated, where the event was in a time warp situation
[17:59] <azend> I think user ease of use is a lost art
[17:59] <azend> and many interfaces suck because they didn't take part in a few simple principles
[18:00] <azend> also, launchpad is so slow to log in to
[18:00] <azend> :P
[18:01] <azend> Actually, it wasn't bad that time
[18:01] <azend> Usually it takes me at least 5 minutes and multiple tries to log in
[18:01] <azend> usually it hangs as well
[18:04] <genii> Yes, I do have issues with LP login system.. it's overly convoluted
[18:21] <azend> *cough* http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2704-ubuntu-hour-guelph/
[18:23] <willwh> ey guys :D
[18:24] <willwh> I should start something up here in Victoria
[18:26]  * genii stares intently at willwh hoping to make him feel guilty for not starting something already!
[18:26] <genii> ;)
[18:26] <azend> Victoria, BC?
[18:27] <willwh> yup
[18:27] <willwh> genii: been having kids :P
[18:27] <willwh> but that's all done now
[18:27] <azend> Sorry mate but that might be a bit far of a drive to be home for work in the morning
[18:28] <willwh> heh
[18:32] <BobJonkman1> azend: Hoo Hah!
[18:33]  * BobJonkman1 should set up an Ubuntu Hour in KW, since chaslinux seems to have fallen off  the face of the earth
[18:38] <genii> IdleOne: Have you heard if -qc has anything planned?
[18:38] <IdleOne> I haven't seen anything, but -qc has been rather dead lately
[18:40] <IdleOne> Quebec City folk usually get something done for release, Montreal has been less active for about a year now
[18:40] <azend> BobJonkman1: I wish there was a way for it to auto plan events for me
[18:40] <azend> ;)
[18:40] <BobJonkman1> You could put a year's worth of Ubuntu Hours in all at once.
[18:40] <azend> Also, it would be cool if loco events could auto email the details to the loco team
[18:40] <BobJonkman1> Not as a recurring event though.
[18:41] <BobJonkman1> Unless there's some magic there I don't know about
[18:41] <azend> BobJonkman1: it would be faster for me to write a script to do it :P
[18:41] <BobJonkman1> Maybe I'll submit a feature request
[18:41] <BobJonkman1> OK, I'll submit two feature requests
[18:41] <azend> unfortunately I don't think it's a good a idea or at least one that requires further discussion
[18:42] <azend> people have a tendency to drop off
[18:42] <BobJonkman1> Recurring events, or auto-notification?
[18:42] <azend> it's worse to have events planned with no one attending than to not have any events at all
[18:42] <azend> recurring events
[18:42] <azend> or it could require the event host to confirm the event each month
[18:42] <BobJonkman1> As long as the organizer attends the event...
[18:43] <azend> or a few weeks before the event is scheduled to happen
[18:43] <BobJonkman1> I suspect most event organizers are more organized than we are
[18:43] <azend> haha
[18:43] <azend> some
[18:43] <azend> I don't think all
[18:43] <BobJonkman1> Of course, I'm shocked (shocked!) every time I see the ad hoc way that some places are running their events...
[18:44] <azend> how so?
[18:45] <BobJonkman1> Using a Wiki to plan events (that's not too bad)
[18:45] <BobJonkman1> Using Doodle as their calendar
[18:45] <IdleOne> BobJonkman1: hmm a 52 hour marathon sounds like it could be fun
[18:45] <BobJonkman1> Making an announcement to a closed mailing lsit
[18:46] <azend> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamPortal/API/
[18:46] <azend> kewl
[18:47] <BobJonkman1> IdleOne: 52 hours ???
[18:50] <BobJonkman1> And then there's this: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/2705/detail/
[18:50] <BobJonkman1> Open Data Day Hackathon at Kwartzlab in Kitchener
 You could put a year's worth of Ubuntu Hours in all at once. <--- that is what I was commenting on
[18:51] <IdleOne> :)
[18:52] <IdleOne> figure 1 hour per week
[18:52] <BobJonkman1> IdleOne: I was thinking more of 1 hour per month
[18:52] <BobJonkman1> But a 52 hour Ubuntu Marathon has a certain appeal
[18:52] <IdleOne> that's no fun
[18:54] <BobJonkman1> azend: Ubuntu Hour Guelph added to the WatCamp calendar: http://watcamp.com
[18:54] <BobJonkman1> It'll filter to the top within a week of the event.
[18:55] <BobJonkman1> Or you can view the entire calendar<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:00] <azend> BobJonkman1: awesome thanks
[19:01] <BobJonkman1> Just sent an e-mail to chaslinux to see if he wants to put on an Ubuntu Hour on Thursday, 13 February
[19:01] <BobJonkman1> And I should put something in for the next IRC/Video Chat meeting on the 27th
[19:01] <BobJonkman1> Busy, busy
[19:14] <genii> Heh. I'm imagining now a Circle of Friends logo with 3 hearts, for Valentines
[19:45] <IdleOne> genii: you going to be at the Guelph release party?
[19:48] <azend> IdleOne: That's coming up soon isn't it?
[19:48] <azend> I should get my ass in gear :P
[19:48] <IdleOne> azend: 2 weeks
[19:48] <IdleOne> err
[19:48] <IdleOne> wait
[19:48] <azend> 2 months :P
[19:49] <azend> afaik
[19:49] <IdleOne> yeah
[19:49] <azend> 14.04 will be in aprik
[19:49] <IdleOne> think I was looking at the wrong link
[19:49] <azend> end of april
[19:49] <azend> IdleOne: I think you were looking at the one for Ubuntu Hour
[19:50] <IdleOne> yup
[19:50] <IdleOne> lol
[19:50] <azend> but yes, you and genii should come out to both
[19:50] <azend> :)
[19:50] <azend> IdleOne: where are you from?
[19:51] <IdleOne> I'm in Montreal
[19:51] <genii> My main problem is transportation. I used to get free bus tickets from Greyhound but not any more :(
[19:51] <IdleOne> coming out for 1 hour is not the best idea
[19:51] <IdleOne> what is the link for the release party?
[19:51] <azend> IdleOne: you should take the $.99 Megabus trip over to TO
[19:51] <genii> Someone needs to invent matter transporters already....
[19:51] <azend> IdleOne: there isn't on yet
[19:52] <azend> genii: there are
[19:52] <azend> they're just called cars :P
[19:52]  * genii does an eye-roll
[19:52] <IdleOne> he makes a good argument
[19:53] <azend> matter transporting matter :o
[19:53] <azend> It's an almost recursive argument
[23:09] <azend> BobJonkman1: is the source for the locos tool open source?
[23:09] <azend> also where can I find the issue tracker on launchpad
[23:09] <BobJonkman1> azend Not sure what you mean by "locos tool"
[23:09] <BobJonkman1> But I'll bet source is somewhere on Launchpad
[23:09] <BobJonkman1> Each project has an issue tracker on Launchpad
[23:10] <azend> the teams portal
[23:10] <azend> http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[23:10] <BobJonkman1> Start here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+filebug/+login
[23:10] <BobJonkman1> (link at the bottom of the page you linked to)
[23:10] <azend> I found it
[23:10] <azend> BobJonkman1: thanks
[23:10] <azend> never noticed that :P
[23:11] <BobJonkman1> azend YW
[23:11] <BobJonkman1> I haven't filed either of those feature requests yet...
[23:11] <BobJonkman1> But if you do, then I'll +1 them
[23:12] <BobJonkman1> About to put in an Ubuntu Hour Kitchener for the 13th. chaslinux is willing to run it, as long as I make the reservation, put the event in the LoCo portal, and send out the appropriate spammy messages.
[23:13] <BobJonkman1> (Hm. That sounded snarkier than I meant it)
[23:13] <BobJonkman1> Apologies to chaslinux, if you should be reading the logs :)