[00:00] <micahg> ScottL: len-nb: nevermind, didn't scroll up far enough
[00:02] <len-nb> np
[00:05] <micahg> ScottL: you already pull in the Qt stack with hydrogen, so digikam shouldn't add much more
[00:06] <micahg> TheMuso: are you comfortable with the lowlatency kernel being a default?
[01:27] <ScottL> micahg, len-nb : i would be most comfortable waiting for TheMuso 's answer about the -lowlatency support before moving forward
[01:33] <len-nb> np, I have no opinion either way. No ISO to test so I am playing with a replacement for the bottom panel. It has work flows listed clicking on a workflow replaces the list of workflows with the apps for that workflow.
[01:58] <ScottL> len-nb, interesting, that sounds very, very similar to what i had considered asking one of the developers to do
[01:59] <ScottL> i was hoping it could use a couple configuration text files for each work flow, similar to how the old menu worked
[01:59] <ScottL> len-nb, do you have the menu updated also in your -default-settings package in your branch?
[02:00] <ScottL> did you remove the any unneeded menu files?
[02:16] <len-nb> ScottL I had fixed the settings file adding and removing files as needed.
[02:16] <len-nb> https://code.launchpad.net/~len-ovenwerks/+junk/ubuntustudio-default-settings
[02:17] <len-nb> However, it does not have your changes of logo files in it.
[02:20] <len-nb> my workflow app would just use one config file. Each app can either be the name of a desktop file or exec file and label and icon... either one of the last two could be missing.
[03:26] <ScottL> len-nb, i'm working the menu now, i just wanted to make sure which files were required and that you didn't leave any "legacy" .menu or .directory files :)
[03:27] <ScottL> i noticed there were various .directory files in the /UbuntuStudio directory along with the /debian, /usr, /etc directories
[03:28] <ScottL> i wanted to confirm these were the new ones, which i can see they are from going through the changes
[03:31] <len-nb> ScottL, all the .directory files are used. I kept the two from before and added what I needed.
[03:37] <len-nb> ScottL I've added a few icons to /usr/share/pixmaps as well I do have a better one for hexter than the one in the package. do you want me to send it?
[03:37] <ScottL> len-nb, mmmmm, probably not
[03:38] <ScottL> oh, i need to file a sync request as well for mudita24 now that alessio has uploaded the latest version in debian
[03:39] <len-nb> ok, I made that one up, but I found the right one when I loaded US 10.04. I have it saved on the desktop downstairs.
[03:39] <micahg> ScottL: it's already in precise
[03:40] <ScottL> micahg, the latest version?  quadrispro said he just did it yesterday (or very early today)
[03:40] <micahg> yep :)
[03:40] <micahg> uploaded ~2 hrs ago
[03:40] <ScottL> super cool!  one less thing to do :-D
[03:41] <ScottL> micahg, i really would like to wait to update the meta's until we hear from luke, even if it is delayed a few days
[03:41] <micahg> ScottL: sure, no problem
[03:42] <ScottL> i would also like to use that time to adjust a few things that are not in the right place and add a few more smaller items to support the work flows
[03:42] <ScottL> nothing structural, mind you
[05:27] <TheMuso> micahg, ScottL, its not really up to me, I am just helping with kernel maintenance. I have run the kernel for a while without issue, so if you want it as default, I don't really have a problem with that.
[05:29] <micahg> TheMuso: ScottL: I would say it should only be default if there's a commitment to upload almost in step with any kernel security uploads (which will require coordination with the Ubuntu security team), if someone is committed to preparing these source packages, I don't have any objection, otherwise, you're opening users up to possible security issues
[10:40] <ailo> ScottL: I'm perfectly willing to maintain the kernel myself. It seems like a simple deal from what I understand, since the diff is only a few config options (which I wouldn't expect to change during the course of LTS), and even if preparing the kernel is a bit more than just adding those configs, it doesn't seem like there's that much to learn in order to maintain it.
[10:40] <ailo> I would commit not only to maintain it, but to understand each step in doing so
[10:42] <ailo> Would need to be updated on the procedure.
[10:43] <ailo> TheMuso: And coordinating with Ubuntu is not something I know a lot about either, so..
[10:44] <ailo> I would at least like to give it a try, but I would need some help getting started
[10:44] <ailo> I could start by doing maintenance paralell to the real effort, and if it works out, I would willingly take it over
[11:23] <shnatsel> what the hell is going on
[11:24] <shnatsel> sorry
[11:24] <shnatsel> wrong channel]
[11:24] <knome> >__<
[12:11] <ScottL> micahg, the blueprint has items for me working with jjhonansen and someone else to set up the git repo, UKT setting up lowlatency as a derivative or something to make this easier, and then working out the methodology for doing security
[12:11]  * ScottL is finding the link to the bluepring
[12:11] <ScottL> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-lowlatency
[12:12] <ScottL> micahg, but cxan you still give me at least 18 hours to make the other changes to seeds before updating the meta?
[12:58] <scott-work> can someone help me suss out the icons a bit?  i don't really like the way the cursor looks when it hovers over a link
[12:58] <scott-work> i thought i was doing this like xubuntu so i'm slightly confused, anyone have some time to help with this?
[14:00] <micahg> ScottL:  sure
[14:21] <scott-work> oh micahg, i also wanted to solicit your help with a postinst file for implementing sane default settings for jack
[14:22] <scott-work> i know what the file should be, i know where it shoudl go, i just need to develop the code in the postinst file to make sure it's not overwritting something already created by the user
[14:23] <scott-work> micahg:  if you can point me in at least a general direction on both of these issues that would be awesome :)
[14:25] <scott-work> micahg: i'm surprised you are awake currently, i thought it was very, very early morning for you
[14:34] <scott-work> so, holstein, as i said ;)...
[14:34] <scott-work> i tested the new menu last night/this morning
[14:34] <scott-work> i'll tweak it a bit then push to bzr tonight
[14:34] <scott-work> len was a big help (HUGE help) on this
[14:34] <scott-work> also len has changes for the panel
[14:34] <scott-work> i'll do that next which shouldn't take long
[14:35] <holstein> len: :)
[14:35] <scott-work> i'm trying to work with cjwatson on the preseed/ubiquity/no -rt privileges issue
[14:35] <scott-work> and i want to get some help with the ubiquity installer background/text color issue as well
[14:35] <scott-work> bug #923810
[14:35] <scott-work> bug #952462
[14:36] <scott-work> hopefully, micahg can help me with the cursor issue and also getting the jack default settings resolves as well
[14:36] <scott-work> i have a list of other things i *shoudl* be doing as well, but those are the things on top of my head right now
[14:36] <scott-work> oh, and i figure we will postpone the ubquitiy plugin until next cycle
[14:36] <scott-work> too little time and probably too much testing/fixing/texting cycles required for this cycle
[14:37] <scott-work> plus this doesn't preclude me from getting other things done then
[14:37] <scott-work> i have dick mackinnis's licensing now for his images so i'll move to include those now
[14:37] <scott-work> he is trying to work up another image that i've been talking to him about, so that might happen as well
[14:38] <scott-work> plymouth theme will probably remain unchanged and the lightdm greeter will continue to look like it is currently (i.e. not that great)
[14:39] <scott-work> but the lightdm greeter theme that happens in precise+1 i would like to backport to precise to help further refine 12.04
[14:39] <scott-work> i really want 12.04 to be THE definitive release that people talk about for years
[14:39] <scott-work> oh, i'm tweaking the seeds as well
[14:40] <scott-work> some of it is adding some packages that weren't put in yet (thanks astraljava for adding audacity) that better support the work flows
[14:40] <scott-work> but also some of it is just OCD organizing for next cycle when we further define more tasks/work flows
[14:41] <scott-work> this might include something like a "video-home" and "video-pro" tasks/work flows
[14:41] <holstein> whats the ubiquity plugin aain?
[14:41] <holstein> again?
[14:41] <scott-work> it's the part of the installer that allows the user to select which tasks they want to install, the gui version of tasksel, basically
[14:41] <scott-work> right now all the tasks (or seeds) are being installed
[14:42] <holstein> scott-work: i dont think that bad though
[14:42] <scott-work> it's not
[14:42] <holstein> i mean, we could just give an pre-determined environment
[14:42] <holstein> i think thats *quite* an improvement
[14:42] <scott-work> but if we really get the tasks refined and with a lot of options then it might be though
[14:42] <holstein> the best thing about it is that it will work
[14:43] <holstein> i dont know how many times choosing something from that list in the debian installer would cause the installer to fail
[14:44] <scott-work> but that wasn't the installers fault, i believe, it was the meta file and dependencies
[14:45] <scott-work> holstein: but if we go with a pre-defined environment, it would be nice to give users a solution to install other tasks later on
[14:45] <holstein> sure, but i hope that wont be an issue now
[14:45] <holstein> i hope the install "just works"
[14:45] <holstein> and looks/feels like the other ones
[14:45] <scott-work> one that's easier that "open synaptic -> serach for "ubuntustudio-*" -> install soemthign you like"
[14:45] <scott-work> it would be nice if it was coupled with the work flows
[14:45] <holstein> scott-work: yeah, or the software-center... we have that?
[14:46] <scott-work> i have it on my short list to include in the seeds
[14:46] <holstein> not that i care... i could go either way about it
[14:46] <holstein> not that i care... i could go either way about having the software center**
[14:46] <scott-work> i should have be there already, i had intended it to be there along with synaptic
[14:46] <scott-work> s/i/it
[15:04] <micahg> scott-work: re awake, 9AM meetings do that :)
[15:04] <micahg> scott-work: the lightdm theme could be backported in -backports, but that wouldn't be allowed on any point release images
[15:05] <micahg> scott-work: as for the postinst, I'll have to find a good guide for that
[15:07] <scott-work> micahg: good point about backports, in this case i would persue an SRU then to make sure it gets into the point releases
[15:08] <micahg> scott-work: you can't SRU new packages except in rare circumstances
[15:08] <scott-work> oh :(
[15:13] <scott-work> so, i'm thinking i shoudl make a dummy package called ubuntustudio-ubiquity-greeter for precise then :P
[15:13] <scott-work> j/k
[16:28] <scott-work> falktx:  can you talk a bit about helping studio get a few things done for 12.04?
[16:30] <falktx> hey
[16:30] <falktx> scott-work: I'm a bit busy, but I can help on small things I know how to do
[16:31] <scott-work> falktx: there were two issues:  rolling some user themes into an existing package and maybe getting a prettier lightdm greeter theme
[16:31] <scott-work> falktx:  i would be happy with whatever help you can provide
[16:32] <scott-work> but don't feel bad about saying that these are too involved or you have too little time :)
[16:32] <falktx> I think I can check #1 at least
[16:32] <falktx> scott-work: what is the bzr repo link?
[16:34] <scott-work> falktx: can i email you?  i will need to include information from other emails
[16:35] <falktx> scott-work: yes, sure
[16:48] <micahg> scott-work: I still need to show you how to look at the security history of your packages (sorry for not doing this yesterday)
[16:48] <scott-work> micahg: it's okay, my yesterday afternoon was pretty non-ubuntu-work-on-computer until later in the evening because of the kids
[16:49] <scott-work> they like the minecrafts and i've run out of computers that can run them :P
[16:49] <scott-work> i've decided that i need a dedicated, persistant, non-powerful computer downstairs (maybe in my bedroom) for development
[16:50] <scott-work> this works well since i like to keep another computer for testing the current development release and i tend to build with ppa
[16:51] <scott-work> the kids tend to overun my upstairs room (indeed, it is my oldest son's room who lives with his mother) and if they aren't using the computers they tend to distract me otherwsie
[19:29] <len_> scott-work, are you adding a DVD authoring app? As I have personally found out, lots of people don't know how to transfer a video by net.
[19:30] <scott-work> len_: yes, i did some research and found a single one to be head and shoulders above others, i need to look back at it
[19:30] <scott-work> my research was months ago though
[19:30] <scott-work> len_: i expect to be updating the seeds (hopefully) one last time (for a bit)
[19:30] <len_> OK, needs to be in repo too.
[19:32] <len_> scott-work, one other comment (aside from we have had no power all morning) it is ok to include more apps than less with the more organized menu.
[19:33] <scott-work> i agree
[19:33] <len_> Disk space is less of a problem than in the past... Getting stuff out of the way while looking for the app needed has been more of a problem
[19:34] <len_> Anyway downloading todays iso... 16% different from the last one.
[19:40] <scott-work> cjwatson is updating the -rt privileges issue as well today, but it probably will not be seen until tomorrow or so
[19:43] <len_> scott-work NP, I do lots of downloads anyway. The live image is very representative of what is there. I do have issues if I try to run too many apps at once because of memory ;-)
[21:17] <len-nb> scott-work, Lots of new photography apps. Nice. Also a problem, it seems a lot of them do not include the category photography in their desktop file and so end up in the graphics menu.
[21:19] <len-nb> It looks like the "in-elegant" manual method of assigning apps to where they belong will be needed.
[21:25] <len-nb> mudit24 needs to excluded from multimedia and included in audio production mixers.
[21:30] <scott-work> len-nb: ack
[21:30] <scott-work> which is short for acknowledged, btw :)
[21:30] <len-nb> scott-work I would suggest envy24 could be exclued from everywhere
[21:31] <scott-work> should i just 'brute force' exlcude all photography items in graphics?
[21:31] <len-nb> Ja... I got that. scott-work I will send you a few pictures by email to show where things ended up.
[21:31] <scott-work> that would help, aye
[21:32] <len-nb> Brute force is the only way... too late to file lots of bugs...
[21:33] <scott-work> what i meant by brute force was should i just do all of them or was it few enough to be more surgical about what to remove?
[21:37] <len-nb> scott-work I would just do what is needed. The ones that are not photography category should be bugged as well... same with mixers BTW.
[21:38] <len-nb> In my opinion a desktop file without proper category tags is a bug.
[21:39] <scott-work> len-nb: would you like to help me fix these bugs?
[21:41] <len-nb> Is it the right thing to do? bug a lot of developers? If I was going to do that, I would want to be able to upload a fix and I don't have the time right now for all of them.
[21:51] <len-nb> scott-work, email sent to your gmail acc.
[21:52] <scott-work> len-nb: depends on the package, but we might either do the bug report in ubuntu or preferrably in debian
[21:52] <scott-work> but i gotta go, so i'll catch you when i'm at home
[21:53] <len-nb> np
[22:41] <astraljava> You can create a debdiff and attach it in a bug report against the package in debian.
[22:57] <len-nb> astraljava, in the case of the above, it would be a replacement desktop file that includes the right sub-category.
[22:57] <len-nb> There are some other considerations, none of them are really "wrong".
[22:58] <len-nb> The spec has a set of "mandatory" categories that reflect the standard linux menu. But then there are a bunch of optional sub-categories.
[22:59] <len-nb> The word optional means the SW writer can use them or not as they choose.
[23:00] <len-nb> This effectively means it is questionable if they are really a bug.
[23:32] <astraljava> len-nb: A bug can be filed even though there's nothing "really" wrong with the file. It's just a way of making a change, and tracking it.
[23:33] <astraljava> len-nb: And the whole file doesn't need to be replaced, if there are only changes in one category, or (an) additional row(s).
[23:33] <astraljava> len-nb: Hence I suggested the debdiff.


[00:08] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: I propose that we stop shipping kubuntu netbook on accounts of plasma netbook being broken beyond belief
[00:10] <ScottK> Well.
[00:10] <ScottK> Except for the plasmoid thing it works fine ehre.
[00:10] <ScottK> here
[00:11] <apachelogger> you don't see it being shit because of the plasmoid thing
[00:11] <apachelogger> so I made it draw the plasmoid
[00:11] <apachelogger> turns out the entire 'page' is not rendering correctly/spacing/whatever
[00:11] <apachelogger> regardless of what plasmoid you put into the default page it ends up broken in the most ludicrous ways
[00:11] <ScottK> Maybe amputate that part of the activity then.
[00:12] <ScottK> The search and launch part works fine.
[00:12] <afiestas> guess issues are reported?
[00:13] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[00:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: plasma-desktop with panel ontop = -netbook, no?
[00:14] <apachelogger> well, and SAL
[00:14] <ScottK> Is it?
[00:14] <ScottK> I think it's heavier, but I don't know.
[00:14] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[00:14] <afiestas> apachelogger: shrug means reported?
[00:15] <apachelogger> afiestas: shrug means I am at the point where I don't give a shit which pile of shit causes shit to be broken
[00:15] <apachelogger> it can be a) qt b) libplasma c) plasma-netbook
[00:15] <apachelogger> actually it could also be the plasmoids, though that is unlikely
[00:16] <apachelogger> ALTHOUGH the page getting hung up on polygon splitting is probably the plasmoids/qts fault in that I suspect it to use bogus bounding rectangles and Qt not noticing it
[00:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: after first start...
[00:22] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/If5Gj.png
[00:23] <apachelogger> excessive spacing between menu and sal
[00:23] <apachelogger> weirdly sized icons
[00:23] <apachelogger> it's like... the further you get to the right the bigger the icons are
[00:23] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/UfzlP.png
[00:24] <apachelogger> and that is actually what page one looks like with an unbroken opendesktop plasmoid
[00:27] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/rylLj.png
[00:27] <apachelogger> that is what the page is supposed to look like and actually looks like when I do manually *exactly* what the setup script does
[00:27] <ScottK> that's about what it's supposed to look like.
[00:28] <ScottK> BTW, Knowledgebase one seems to suffer from spam.
[00:28] <apachelogger> not the best of defaults if you ask me
[00:28] <apachelogger> but since it is broken anyway...
[00:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh and btw, from a pure memory perspective there is no difference between desktop and netbook
[00:30] <apachelogger> they have about the same effective mem footprint on the two machines here
[00:30] <ScottK> There's non-common code.
[00:30] <ScottK> No ides why.
[00:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, there is little logic in the shell to begin with
[00:31] <apachelogger> all in libplasma or generic bits of workspace's plasma IIRC
[00:32] <apachelogger> so from an I/O perspective only the plasmoids themselfs are concerning and -netbook does nothing about them anyway
[00:33] <ScottK> Isn't the panel different for netbook?
[00:33] <ScottK> Maybe that was it.
[00:33] <apachelogger> slightly
[00:37] <apachelogger> oh well, nini
[00:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are you coming to UDS?
[10:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: nope
[10:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: FWIW... while you cannot see the page one being broken because it is not loading because of the widget it appears the page is not broken because of the widget as such but because the page is broken
[10:41] <apachelogger> i.e. if you add the community widget to a new page it will work with stock upstream code
[10:42] <apachelogger> it is only the fact that layouting in page one is completely f'd that makes the widget then go bonkers and trigger calculations ad infinitum
[10:47] <apachelogger> or not
[10:47] <apachelogger> or not not
[11:31] <Mamarok> btw folks, it would be really very useful to have debugging symbols for libgpod, is there a way to influence bug 898002 ?
[11:39] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages
[11:44] <apachelogger> hahah, this crap is way too confusing
[11:48] <Mamarok> apachelogger: :/
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:18] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308750 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308748
[13:11] <Mamarok> was about time I removed all those old kernels, I had 10 different ones installed apparently, starting from 3.5.0-9 or so
[14:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://i.imgur.com/Kw8WN.png
[14:38] <apachelogger> fixed it
[15:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: you got rid of the newspaper page?
[16:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Apparently it's broken beyone recovery using plasma-netbook.
[16:58] <Riddell> ScottK: plasma-netbook is broken beyond recovery or just the newspaper container is?
[17:00] <yofel> can someone tell me (and the rest of the folks in #kubuntu) how one installs a language in quantal?
[17:00] <yofel> either I'm doing something wrong or language-selector-kde is broken
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> language-selector was ported to python 3 -> pykde doesn't support python3 kcm modules
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> -> we ship a version of Kubuntu that cannot select languages
[17:07] <yofel> ouch
[17:07] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:07] <shadeslayer> how did that go unnoticed?
[17:07] <yofel> can we put a workaround wiki somewhere? Maybe I'll have some time to put something together later
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> bug 1013626
[17:09] <yofel> JontheEchidna: you mean language-selector was ported to py3 _exclusively_?
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> yep
[17:09] <yofel> wth
[17:09] <Riddell> yofel: selcting a language in the kcm will install the language pack
[17:10] <yofel> Riddell: and if you don't even have a language to select? http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2012/42/1350837505-snapshot1.png
[17:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's a bit odd
[17:10] <shadeslayer> because I have this on precise : http://i.imgur.com/UZnIt.png
[17:11] <Riddell> yeah it should list every language
[17:11] <yofel> yeah, me too on quantal, but I have a shitload of packages installed here
[17:11] <Riddell> maybe apt isn't updated?
[17:11] <Riddell> it just uses qapt
[17:16] <yofel> Riddell: I don't know, that screenshot if from joalland in #kubuntu
[17:16]  * yofel needs to go, bbl
[17:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: newpaper at least so a short term workaround would be to prevent cration of page one
[17:36] <apachelogger> User created stuff seems to work somewhat
[17:37] <apachelogger> Though in general i found pn to be somewhat unstable once you start messing with things
[17:37] <apachelogger> Then again i also manage to crash pd with stack corruptions...
[18:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: SRU to not create it?
[18:06] <Riddell> that wouldn't help new installs though
[18:06] <yofel> re
[18:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: unless they update at installation
[18:40] <apachelogger> it is a start though
[18:40] <apachelogger> doesn't fix anything, but better than nothing IMHO
[18:47] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1069483] VLC freezes after pressing CTRL+I (media information) - Xorg uses whole memory @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1069483 (by Hannes Riedenbauer)
[18:50] <BarkingFish> evening guys :) Don't quite know how to make this request or where, but there is a package which needs to come out of Kubuntu before 13.04 is released - and that is Kino.
[18:51] <BarkingFish> I just filed a bug on it, since it's broken, and discovered that it's been completely unmaintained since 2010
[18:57] <BarkingFish> From their tracker at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3136128&group_id=14103&atid=114103: "Does Kino play audio for you on other videos? If not, then that is your problem, and there are plenty of messages in the mailing list archive about that. Ultimately, though, I no longer maintain Kino and neither does anyone else."
[19:21] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1069498] KWin shows tearing despite of VSync @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1069498 (by enteon ente)
[19:29] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing_Packages
[19:29] <Riddell> BarkingFish: kino has nothing to do with kubuntu team though
[19:37] <BarkingFish> Riddell, ok then - either way, I think it's about time it came off the mirrors :)
[19:37] <BarkingFish> and thanks for the link, apachelogger :)
[19:40] <BarkingFish> Since I'm not a dev, I'll go about this by putting a note out on the ubuntu devel mailing list, and seeing what others think about getting rid of it.
[19:43] <ScottK> BarkingFish: You can file the bug asking for removal and then subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to get a dev to review.
[19:49] <BarkingFish> ScottK, ok - i just tried to send it to the list mentioned on the page apachelogger linked me to, and it's been bounced (post by non-developer to moderated list) :)
[19:49] <ScottK> That's just if you need help deciding.
[19:50] <ScottK> Also it wouldn't have been rejected, it would have gone into the moderation queue.
[19:50] <ScottK> (which does get reviewed for ubuntu-devel.
[19:50] <BarkingFish> it did go into the queue, however, I've canceled it
[19:58] <BarkingFish> done, filed as a bug, #1069514
[23:01] <Darkwing> The Raring Ringtail?


[00:01] <teward> anyone know what the correct upstream project for libkpeople is, if any?  (I asked because it landed on ubuntu-quality ML)
[00:01] <sgclark> hmm
[00:01] <sgclark> let me look
[00:02] <teward> sgclark: thank you.
[00:05] <clivejo> isnt it part of kdepim?
[00:05] <sgclark> teward: project page https://projects.kde.org/projects/frameworks/kpeople has contacts
[00:05] <sgclark> it is in line to be a framework afaik
[00:07] <clivejo> yeah, its source is here - http://download.kde.org/stable/frameworks/5.14/
[00:09] <clivejo> sgclark: are you backporting frameworks 5.14.0?
[00:10] <sgclark> clivejo: mmhmm. well finished but needs testers
[00:10] <clivejo> my system is wily Im affraid
[00:11] <sgclark> VM can be used :)
[00:12] <sgclark> I am trying to recruit more testers... we are in dire need.
[00:12] <clivejo> LOL I need my CPU for trying to compile and build calligra!
[00:13] <clivejo> but saying that Im not getting anywhere with it!
[00:13] <sgclark> oh lol, then no a vm will not work for you
[00:14] <clivejo> sgclark: any idea why it compiles on my own machine but refuses to work in pbuilder or LP?
[00:15] <sgclark> missing dep? dunno, would need to take a look really.
[00:15] <clivejo> please do have a look, its driving me nuts
[00:15] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/219145287/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.kreport_2.96.1%2Bgit20150928-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[00:16] <teward> sgclark: clivejo: someone on the quality team is linking LP to upstream project pages - the question is where do we link it to
[00:16] <teward> (by 'it' i mean libkpeople)
[00:16] <teward> It's under Kubuntu Members ownership, hence the q
[00:17] <sgclark> teward: my link was the current project page until we move to phabricator, so link to it for now please. Anyway someone from this team can contact me? I would like to keep in touch for when we do move to phabricator. (we being upstream)
[00:18] <teward> sgclark: would you rather me just tell the ubuntu-quality mailing list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to stop going through KDE and linking Launchpad packages with upstream projects?
[00:18] <teward> and say that that request came from Upstream?
[00:19] <sgclark> I really don't mind if they link.. I think I need context though lol.
[00:20] <teward> sgclark: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2015-September/006232.html
[00:20] <teward> first message
[00:20] <teward> i later follow up saying i'll poke here
[00:23] <clivejo> oh thats a nice wee diagram - http://api.kde.org/frameworks-api/frameworks5-apidocs/kpeople/html/kpeople-dependencies.html
[00:39] <sgclark> teward: let them know I am taking care of it. https://launchpad.net/libkpeople
[03:21] <ahoneybun> sgclark: 'plasmashell restart' fixed the issue for now
[03:47] <sgclark> cool
[08:52] <soee> good morning
[08:53] <sick_rimmit> Morning soee
[08:54] <sick_rimmit> I'm just setting up a VM with Kubuntu 15.04 64Bit to do some Testing for sgclark ;-)
[08:54] <soee> yup, was thinking about the same :)
[09:23] <Riddell> thanks sick_rimmit, soee_
[09:32]  * sick_rimmit waves at Riddell
[09:36] <soee_> meh, when installing vivid in VB copying files goes to 21% than vb canceles installation
[10:12] <zokiDimovski> Hi everyone. I have upgraded my machine from 15.04 to 15.10 and I'm experiencing some problems.
[10:12] <zokiDimovski> The first and most annoying is “Configuration file "//.config/kwalletd5rc" not writable. Please contact your system administrator.”
[10:13] <zokiDimovski> This is happening every time I start the desktop.
[10:13] <soee_> zokiDimovski: what permissions have this file and does ot exist ?
[10:13] <soee_> i'v seen some problmes with this file i think
[10:14] <zokiDimovski> The file does not exist. I double check my permission in the home folder. All is good.
[10:15] <Riddell> / sounds like it's not finding the home directory and wrinting it to / instead
[10:16] <zokiDimovski> Is there a way that I can test that?
[10:19] <zokiDimovski> another one...
[10:20] <zokiDimovski> Missing Icons - When launching applications with root permissions (sudo app_name), there are no icons in the application. Tested on dolphin, kate, konsole and systemsettings. Tried to change different icons sets, it's the same result, there are no icons.
[10:45] <sitter> mck182: that wallet thing sounds a bit meh
[10:45] <sick_rimmit> Hangon..
[10:46] <sick_rimmit> I wonder, does the Wallet problem have a relationship with the KWallet upgrade tool.
[10:46] <sick_rimmit> When I installed 15.04 it asked would I like to upgrade Kwallet..
[10:46] <sitter> latest information I saw in the bug report was that the pam causes it
[10:46] <sick_rimmit> I am just wondering perhaps that tool needs to run to create the config file your looking for
[10:46] <sick_rimmit> just a though
[10:47] <howlymowly> hi there ...  short question:  I installed kubuntu 15.10 everything working OK, just when I install AMD fglrx driver my system hangs at startup ... (i think at the moment when the login manager gets aktivated)  is this a known bug? i have a radeon 6850
[10:51] <clivejo> has there been updates to PIM?
[10:53] <clivejo> its very unstable for me right now
[10:53] <sitter> Riddell: how did you get the ubiquity screenshot?
[11:01] <sitter> http://imgur.com/a/718aY
[11:09] <vip> oh, it is not only me having empty spaces in tray ;-)
[11:09] <vip> sitter: maybe vbox?
[11:10] <soee_> vip: one empty space yu mean ?
[11:12] <vip> oh, sometimes I even got two
[11:12] <vip> (-:
[11:25] <soee_> hmm do i do this wrong: sometimes i need to edit file with sudo using nano nd search some content in it, modify and save. This creates file ~/.nano/search_history that is owned by root
[11:26] <soee_> than if i want to use nano with my user, it can't access this and shows message
[11:26] <soee_> Error reading /home/soee/.nano/search_history: Permission denied
[11:26] <soee_> Press Enter to continue
[11:27] <TJ-> soee_: 'sudo' maintains the current user env settings, including $HOME, so that would be expected to happen
[11:27] <sitter> use vim
[11:28] <soee_> i'm not sure why but i can't get used to vim
[11:28] <TJ-> soee_: sudo -H|--set-home may be what you want
[11:28] <bshah> well never ever use sudo vim/nano foobar
[11:28] <soee_> TJ-: what does it do ?
[11:28] <bshah> but do sudoedit
[11:28] <TJ-> soee_: "man sudo"
[11:29] <bshah> sudoedit is more safe
[11:29] <soee_> oh inteestign
[11:30] <TJ-> I saw a bug recently where sudedit is ignoring the EDITOR env-var, or its not being passed on
[11:30] <sitter> sudo -i is your friend
[11:35] <Neiniel-32> Hi, I am wild tester that responded to the tester call, now I am checking all the bugs I suffered in  15.04 in the 15.10 beta2  (virtualized) or if I find new ones. Will report soon ¬¬ :D
[11:37] <soee_> Neiniel-32: hiho
[11:38] <soee_> Neiniel-32: Scarlett wants to test first frameworks backports, can you do this ?
[11:40] <Neiniel-32> If I could do it in the virtualized install, just give me instructions I will try to do my best
[11:41] <soee_> Neiniel-32: install Vivid in VirtualBox for example, than add the testing ppa, upgrade system and check if upgrade wnet fine and system is stable etc.
[11:42] <soee_> Neiniel-32: to add frameworsk stagin ppa type: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks
[11:42] <soee_> Neiniel-32: than: sudo apt full-upgrade
[11:42] <Neiniel-32> ok as soon I end to check wich bugs survived the new version, and get out of job I will do that, now I will download the vivid iso and let the pc installing
[11:43] <soee_> Neiniel-32: cool, thank you
[11:43] <Riddell> sitter: virtualbox wasn't working for me so it was a live system, I can double check if you like
[11:44] <Neiniel-32> the mayority of bugs I keep on finding are kde related and not kubuntu, (like the wrong behaviour in the panel with the option windows could cover activated)
[11:44] <soee_> Riddell: today Plasma 5.4.2 tars ?
[11:45] <Riddell> soee_: yes indeed, lots of new icons to come
[11:45] <soee_> :D
[11:45] <Riddell> of course no guarantee that packages will be ready to test today but let's try
[11:46] <soee_> Neiniel-32: such bugs should be reported on bugs.kde.org
[11:46] <sitter> Riddell: would be good
[11:46] <Neiniel-32> yes I now, just not enought time yet, but I will do it
[11:46] <Neiniel-32> *know
[11:55] <sitter> Riddell: also can't break it on laptop
[12:05] <Riddell> sitter: I see it, the image yesterday still had ubiquity	2.21.31, todays has .32
[12:06] <Riddell> which is strange since .32 had transitioned the day before but I guess not quite quick enough
[12:06] <Riddell> sorry for the noise sitter
[12:07] <sitter> -.-
[12:07] <sitter> heart attack for nothing
[12:11] <alvin> I've just installed Kubuntu 15.10 beta2. It still insists on using th de_BE locale for Belgium. There are only 77 German speaking people in this country. Why is this the default?
[12:11] <alvin> Are they perhaps all Kubuntu users?
[12:11] <TJ-> alvin: that sounds like a debian-installer/ubiquity issue
[12:11] <Riddell> the secret germanic belgium kde conspiracy
[12:12] <Riddell> locale issues like that will be tricky to diagnose, it's all in some low level database we get from debian
[12:14] <alvin> I do install Debian a lot, and I never get that specific locale, but maybe there's some extra configuration here. I thought it would be difficult to find that. It has been there for several releases. Since you can no longer specifically say "I want my time to look like..." it has become more of an issue. You can no longer say: monetary unit is EUR, but you have to choose a locale and hope it's what you want. Instead of thursday, I now see
[12:14] <alvin> 'Donnerstag'
[12:19] <sitter> alvin: what language do you install with? english?
[12:19] <yofel> might be a kde issues too. Here my env says "LANG=de_DE.UTF-8", which certainly matches my regional settings, but not my language (en_US.UTF-8)
[12:20] <alvin> sitter: Yes. I want English as languate, but EUR as monetary unit, and a 24-hour clock. No AM and PM.
[12:20] <sitter> yofel: LANGUAGE is different from LANG and we can set them independently
[12:20] <sitter> alvin: that's not what I asked
[12:20] <yofel> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
[12:20] <yofel> LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8
[12:20] <sitter> when you are at the installer
[12:20] <sitter> what language do you install with
[12:21] <alvin> Trouble is that KDE knows locales that don't really exist. I can choose 'Belgium - English' which resulsts in en_BE.UTF-8, but on the command line, that results in 'setting locale failed'
[12:21] <alvin> sitter: I do install in English
[12:23] <sitter> the setting locale thing is a bug
[12:29] <alvin> sitter: What is a bug? The existence of the en_BE.UTF-8 locale? I can choose that in KDE, but when adding it to (/var/lib/locales/supported.d/local), dpkg-reconfigure says there is no such locale definition.
[12:32] <sitter> that'd be the bug :P
[12:32] <sitter> Riddell: didn't you have someone work on the locale api?
[12:33] <alvin> :-( It's hard to set it right, and the only way to do so more or less is the command line.
[12:34] <Riddell> sitter: only to install language packs using packagekit, and he's not finished it yet
[12:34] <sitter> ok
[12:34] <sitter> that would actually fix the locale not available problem
[12:38] <sitter> Riddell: we need newer frameworks in wily
[12:39] <sitter> the icon loader in that release is fucked
[12:39] <sitter> see kickoff after installation using oxygen
[12:40] <Riddell> um, we have the latest 5.14 release in wily
[12:40] <sitter> so that's broken then
[12:40] <sitter> alvin: de_BE is a bug in ubiquity
[12:41] <alvin> sitter: Thanks. Is there a bug report already?
[12:41] <sitter> no clue
[12:44] <alvin> I'll report it as soon as I do another install
[12:45] <sgclark> morning
[12:46] <sitter> can't reproduce the problem with en_BE
[12:47] <lordievader> Hey sgclark. I was just testing the kf staging ppa.
[12:49] <lordievader> sgclark: Installs fine, by the way.
[12:52] <lordievader> And reboots fine too.
[13:00] <alvin> For reporting a bug against plasmashell, what package do I choose?
[13:02] <TJ-> alvin: i seem to recall something like plasma-workspace - do "dpkg -S 'bin/plasmashell' "
[13:02] <alvin> I don't know if it's a known bug. (Installed beta2) Multi-monitor works, but plasmashell is only started on the left monitor. lordievader told me to kquitapp plasmashell and kstart plasmashell. That brings plasmashell on the second monitor alive, but it goes wrong again next time.
[13:02] <sitter> you don't because you report it on bugs.kde.org
[13:02] <sgclark> Riddell: someone working on the new plasma?
[13:03] <alvin> sitter: Fair enough. Only, I don't know yet if it's Kubuntu-specific or not.
[13:04] <sgclark> thank you everyone that answered my call for testers :)
[13:04] <sitter> alvin: neither do we :P
[13:05] <alvin> I take it there is no such thing as release blockers then?
[13:05] <alvin> I'll go look at the right bug tracker then.
[13:09] <Riddell> sgclark: not yet
[13:09] <sgclark> i'll take it
[13:09]  * Riddell high fives sgclark
[13:10] <soee_> i think we shoudl have ~ 10 testers that will test stuff eahc time we have to release something
[13:10] <soee_> and release after all of them test it
[13:10] <sitter> Riddell: btw http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_stable_kaccounts-integration/
[13:10] <sgclark> yeah we need more than we have for certain. looks like my call worked a little
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:15] <sgclark> hiyas
[13:19] <soee_> hiho
[13:20] <Riddell> sitter: will investigate..
[13:21] <BluesKaj> hi sgclark, soee_
[13:21] <sitter> Riddell: you merged unstable into stable as I recall
 mck182: that wallet thing sounds a bit meh [12:45:16] --> what wallet thing?
[13:47] <Furor-ESP> @soee_ I did that, some packages got updated, a pop up of distro upgrade appear and them dissapear, I tried to reboot, but failed and have to force a restart, after I loging in again, most of apps dissapared from start menu
[13:48] <soee_> popup of distro upgrade ?
[13:51] <Furor-ESP> the notifcation on the system tray that advise you that a distro upgrade is available
[13:51] <Furor-ESP> sorry for my bad explanation
[13:52] <Furor-ESP> I didnt have time to read it completely as it happened fast, what I could asure you its that most of apps are inacesible from start menu and krunner
[13:53] <soee_> but you can search with krunner etc ?
[13:53] <Furor-ESP> https://my.owndrive.com/index.php/s/bgkWLpbYshGXs77
[13:54] <Furor-ESP> no, krunner didn't find any app
[13:56] <Furor-ESP> correction: the apps belonging to system panel appear, others not
[13:56] <Furor-ESP> very strange
[13:56] <soee_> Furor-ESP: oen krunner (ALT+F2)
[13:56] <soee_> *open
[13:56] <Furor-ESP> (like screen lock, samba ..)
[13:56] <soee_> and click on that icon before search field
[13:56] <soee_> see if all those items are checked there
[13:56] <Furor-ESP> done
[13:57] <Furor-ESP> all checked
[13:57] <soee_> type in console: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:57] <soee_> what is the output
[13:58] <Furor-ESP> I am trying to manage how to open the terminal after this happened
[13:58] <Furor-ESP> I could use it with kdesudo also I suppose
[13:59] <soee_> try to switch to different tty
[13:59] <sgclark> type in konsole into runner?
[13:59] <Furor-ESP> all normal apps are missed
[13:59] <Furor-ESP> from krunner and start menu
[13:59] <soee_> well are you sure it didn;t remove them while upgrding ?
[14:00] <sgclark> ctl-alt-f2
[14:00] <sgclark> yeah sounds like kubuntu-desktop got uninstalled
[14:00] <Furor-ESP> I know, but I have to change keys or I will do it on the host operating system
[14:01] <soee_> ah right it is VB :)
[14:01] <soee_> Furor-ESP: right click on the desktop
[14:01] <soee_> and pick: Run Command from menu
[14:02] <Furor-ESP> yes, that way I open krunner
[14:05] <soee_> and can you open Konsole ?
[14:05] <Furor-ESP> but krunner its almost useless right now, I am trying to configure the virtual box to could do a control+alt+f1, give me some minutes
[14:05] <Furor-ESP> no
[14:05] <soee_> Furor-ESP: what if you switch to alternative launcher ?
[14:05] <soee_> it is also empty - does not list apps ?
[14:06] <Furor-ESP> I will check
[14:06] <Furor-ESP> but when the normal one and krunner doesnt list apps...
[14:07] <Furor-ESP> nope
[14:08] <soee_> well i doubt it will remove all apps, there must be something different
[14:09] <Furor-ESP> wtf, now let me execute konsole (as command but app with icon not listed)
[14:10] <Furor-ESP> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop doesn't need to install anything
[14:10] <sgclark> breeze maybe??
[14:11] <Furor-ESP> I put another screenshot in the link I shared before
[14:13] <soee_> Furor-ESP: and you have installed those frameworks from staging ppa ?
[14:13] <Furor-ESP> yes
[14:13] <Furor-ESP> all this happened after I restart after that
[14:15] <sgclark> apt-get upgrade exits cleanly?
[14:20] <sgclark> Furor-ESP: can you point me to the vivid cd you used, I need to try and reproduce.
[14:28] <Furor-ESP> I downloaded a ISO from here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/15.04/release/kubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:29] <sgclark> thank you
[14:29] <Furor-ESP> I did all normal updates
[14:29] <Furor-ESP> restart
[14:29] <Furor-ESP> added the staging
[14:29] <Furor-ESP> updates
[14:30] <Furor-ESP> problem trying to restart, forced restart, login and them the problem to locate the apps
[14:30] <Furor-ESP> (missed in menu, and missed in krunner, unless I typed full command as you could see in screenshot)
[14:31] <Furor-ESP> I have to leave for today, to keep on working. Thanks for your patience, hope that test could be usefull
[14:31] <Furor-ESP> Will try to back tomorrow
[14:45] <sgclark> Riddell: first time using new staging-upload script. What does it mean to remember to unpause? was I suppose to pause something? :(
[14:46] <Riddell> pause kci http://kci.pangea.pub/view/mgmt/job/mgmt_pause_integration/
[14:47] <sgclark> meh too late now. sorry did not know
[14:47] <Riddell> I should probably force that in the script
[14:48] <Riddell> then again it's no bad thing to test the merges
[17:16] <marco-parillo> I want to thank the Kubuntu Devs. On identical 1GB VM, each with Plasma 5.4.1, identical FF and Chrome tabs, a just-released distro just spun helplessly, while Wily Beta was also able to run Muon-updates.
[18:40] <clivejo> sgclark: did you get a chance to look over kreport ?
[18:41] <sgclark> clivejo: eek, no I totally got distracted by that launchpad request thing, can I have another link?
[18:41] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/219145287/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.kreport_2.96.1%2Bgit20150928-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[18:44] <sgclark> well it cannot find the header file, of which I conclude it did not get generated?
[18:44] <clivejo> why does it compile locally?
[18:44] <clivejo> but not on LP?
[18:46] <clivejo> dont understand why its failing
[18:46] <sgclark> well it looks like it uses ECM to generate those headers, perhaps a different version of ECM that LP is using?
[18:47] <sgclark> wild guess here, I have no idea what your local setup is, nor what dependencies LP is using
[18:48] <clivejo> Version: 5.14.0-0ubuntu2 installed locally
[18:51] <clivejo> Ill enable proposed, see it that helps
[21:30] <clivejo> yippeee
[21:34] <soee> do we have Plasma 5.4.2 started to build ?
[21:34] <clivejo> I dont know
[21:35] <sgclark> yes it is in staging
[21:36] <soee> i see no status page for it http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/
[21:36] <sgclark> cuz I have not made one. sorry distracted
[21:37] <soee> ah ok :)
[21:41] <clivejo> sgclark: do you have a weegie login?
[21:43] <sgclark> well it let me loging but no I cannot su to kubuntu
[21:44] <sgclark> so I cannot creat a status page sorry
[21:45] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm onto it
[21:45] <soee> sgclark: but are there some builds that faild or 5.4.2 is ready ?
[21:46] <Riddell> sgclark: you're in sudo group, just ping or another sudoer to reset your password
[21:47] <sgclark> soee: all green but that does not necessarily mean they are done.
[21:48] <Riddell> sgclark: not bad http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.4.2_wily.html :)
[21:48] <sgclark> sorry I got distracted on to another task.
[21:48] <sgclark> thanks Riddell
[21:49] <soee> wow so 1 package only failed ?
[21:49] <sgclark> mmm xinput - isnt that the one not available in debian based distros?
[21:49] <sgclark> Riddell: ^
[21:50] <sgclark> not failed but cmake wants a package that I do not believe we can provide.
[21:54] <sgclark> yep xcb-xinput no exist
[21:58] <sgclark> soee: feel free to test, debian based does not ship with xcb-input so that orange will remain so.
[21:58] <sgclark> !testers
[21:59] <sgclark> please test staging-plasma
[22:04] <soee> sgclark: and oxygen-fonts ?
[22:07] <sgclark> oh hmm
[22:08] <sgclark> soee: nice catch, I am going blind.
[22:13] <soee> sgclark: and why it is 5.4.1 not 5.4.2 ?
[22:13] <soee> *oxygen-fonts
[22:13] <clivejo> probably in manual
[22:14] <sgclark> that is why it was in manual, all fixed now uploading...
[22:14] <clivejo> nothing to actually compile?
[22:15] <soee> wowo i think this was the fastest plasma build ever
[22:16] <clivejo> sgclark: is an expert :)
[22:16] <soee> true :)
[22:16] <soee> clivejo: beeing an expert  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg :D
[22:16]  * clivejo wonders if sgclark's next job is to backport them
[22:17] <sgclark> yes it is, but working on application backport atm
[22:26] <soee> sgclark: can you tell me what -ppa1 or -ppa2 sufix means in package name ?
[22:26] <Quintasan> soee: first upload to ppa, second upload to ppa and so on
[22:26] <soee> Quintasan: thanks
[22:27] <soee> so package gets it before or after build?
[22:27] <soee> uploader gives that name or LP ?
[22:27] <Quintasan> Uploader
[22:27] <sgclark> yeah it rejected my build, so I made another, but now looking I think possibly Riddell was working on it without saying anything..
[22:28] <Quintasan> soee: We just have to somehow differ uploads which only have changes in the packaging. We can't exactly bump the software version number itself.
[22:28] <Riddell> sgclark: I uploaded oxygen-fonts but then got distracted
[22:29] <Riddell> and failed to say so
[22:29] <sgclark> I uploaded another not knowing that sory, oh well it is done
[22:29] <clivejo> naughty Riddell
[22:29] <sgclark> Riddell: did you see my statement about xcb-input? seems debian refuses to enable it
[22:30] <Riddell> sgclark: no, what's that about?
[22:30] <sgclark> I recall this coming up on my CI
[22:31] <sgclark> upstream debian refuses to enable xcb-input. something about buggy and ABI.
[22:31] <Riddell> sgclark: for what?
[22:31] <sgclark> plasma-desktop
[22:32] <sgclark> the orange one lol
[22:32] <Riddell> then let's just add it to cmake-override.json
[22:32] <sgclark> mmm this sounds new
[22:33] <sgclark> is this in packaging or what?
[22:34] <sgclark> Riddell: I don't know where that is sorry
[22:35] <Riddell> it's in kubuntu-automation
[22:35] <Riddell> cmake-ignore.json
[22:36] <Riddell> but I'm curious about debian's objection
[22:37] <sgclark> yeah walcomtablet will never run for us without it
[22:37] <sgclark> perma red on my ci :(
[22:37] <Riddell> something to do with ./kcms/input/CMakeLists.txt
[22:38] <Riddell> I think I'd add it to the packagae, trusting upstream more than some fellow packagers
[22:38] <sgclark> huh?
[22:38] <sgclark> you lost me
[22:39] <Riddell> we want wacom tablet support
[22:39] <Riddell> and if upstream says we want it then we should have it
[22:39] <Riddell> so I'd add it to the packaging
[22:43] <Riddell> hmm but I can't work out what build-dep to add
[22:43] <soee_> sgclark, Riddell: smoth download and upgrade, will reboot now
[22:43] <sgclark> Riddell: the xcb parent would need to be rebuilt with the xinput flag enabled then grab the bits out and put in packaging for those that want it?
[22:44] <sgclark> I may be really confused, my brain is fried
[22:44] <Riddell> ah really
[22:44] <Riddell> well let's just add it to ignores then
[22:44] <Riddell> do you want to add it to cmake-ignore.json or shall I?
[22:45] <sgclark> go ahead
[22:45] <sgclark> I have to afk for a bit
[22:45] <soee> i'm back :)
[22:46] <clivejo> any problems?
[22:47] <soee> clivejo: nope
[22:48] <soee> any idea how can i download 64bit deb from here https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/isv:ownCloud:community:nightly/owncloud-client ?
[22:48] <Riddell> perfect green http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.4.2_wily.html :)
[22:48] <clivejo> cheating :P
[22:48] <soee> Riddell: +1
[22:49] <soee> ah her eit is https://build.opensuse.org/package/binary/isv:ownCloud:community:nightly/owncloud-client?arch=x86_64&filename=owncloud-client_2.0.2~git-1_amd64.deb&repository=xUbuntu_15.04
[22:50] <soee> woho new updates icon :)
[22:51] <soee> brb
[22:52]  * sgclark blogs for more testers
 Plasmashell is acting odd
 I can't right click on the desktop and the panels don't work
 For switching tasks or anything
 Works for me. What are you running?
 Driver?
 Last update?
 Yea wily
 Wow 132 packages to update
 It Started yesterday I  believe, I just killed xorg and I was fine till a min agao
 But now even a reboot did not fix it
 So I'm updating to see if that fixes it
[23:06] <sgclark> err that is old
[23:06] <soee> if someone will test 5.4.2, please tell me if you also have ~15 sec lag when booting system after sddm
[23:06] <soee> so the proggress bar is 100% than 15 sec lag
[23:13] <Riddell> who was that kubuntusuperbot?
[23:13] <sgclark> arrons telegram bot
[23:13] <sgclark> ahoneybuns
[23:14] <Riddell> hmm
[23:31] <soee> calligra has nice icons
[23:35] <clivejo> in Software and Updates Im getting an unhandled error occurred - org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message recipient disconnected from message bus without replying
[23:36] <sgclark> is this testing plasma or in general?
[23:40] <clivejo> both
[23:42] <sgclark> ok let me clarify. You installed staging plasma and this popped up or?
[23:43] <clivejo> as I was adding the staging plasma PPA it started
[23:43] <clivejo> so prior to it
[23:43] <sgclark> software and updates - is that muon?
[23:44] <clivejo> oh its not
[23:44] <clivejo> its gtk
[23:44] <clivejo> thats gnome?
[23:50] <sgclark> it is, not sure what it has to do with updates though
[23:51] <clivejo> Ive removed it
[23:51] <clivejo> use the kde one


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   I've been reading up on sbuild too.  Generally, how do you do kernel compiles, do you use a fresh copy of hoary on VMware or something?
[04:35] <zul> for beezy we are using hoary with our patch set and 2.6.12-rc2 and working agains that
[04:44] <Z3K3> ok
[04:44] <Z3K3> Do you generally use a "real" computer for devel, or do you use a VMware, or is that a bad idea?
[04:46] <Lathiat> qemu is another good alternative
[04:49] <zul> i use my regular computer
[04:49] <zul> im too cheap ;)
[04:56] <Z3K3> lol
[04:56] <Z3K3> so I found the playground at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:57] <Z3K3> do you use the ansestry patches and kernel-ddebian--pre1
[04:57] <Z3K3> to be "bleeding edge"?
[04:58] <zul> breezy is using pre1--<IP_ADDRESS> right now
[04:59] <Z3K3> i set all my apt sources to breezy and have apt-upgraded and I'm at 2.6.10-5-386
[04:59] <Z3K3> am I missing a "special" apt source?
[05:00] <zul> yes
[05:00] <zul> you need to get the 2.6.11 source tarball and need to install baz
[05:01] <Z3K3> what is jackass.ubuntu?
[05:01] <zul> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBazNotes
[05:02] <Z3K3> thanks
[05:02] <zul> no probs
[05:03] <Z3K3> i tried to apt-get install baz
[05:03] <Z3K3> is that an app that must be compiled from source?
[05:03] <zul> nope apt-get install bazaar
[05:03] <Z3K3> sorry for being so daft
[05:05] <Z3K3> thanks
[05:07] <zul> sure
[10:21] <Z3K3> quick question: when I followed the instructions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBazNotes the final step (baz-get kernel-...) instead of installing or downloading? not sure what it is supposed to do, it just makes a directory with nothing in it?
[10:21] <Z3K3> the directory was called ",,get.kernel-debian--pre1--<IP_ADDRESS>--patch-11.1114532165.20702.18/"
[10:24] <Z3K3> i ran this "baz get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:24] <Z3K3> any thoughts?
[10:30] <Z3K3> :(
[11:48] <z3k3> anyone here?


[06:47] <gmb> bigjools: I was going to pick up https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1338402 but then I saw your thread about IP address filtering and Django weirdness… are you working on this bug already/?
[06:47] <bigjools> gmb: I'm trying to fix Andreas' bug, not that one
[06:47] <bigjools> I was thinking about that one on the side
[06:47] <gmb> bigjools: Okay, cool.
[06:47] <bigjools> needs a cursor query I think
[06:48] <gmb> Sounds like it. Django’s magic is a distinct brand of weird sometimes.
[06:48] <bigjools> select TRUE FROM blah HAVING MIN(min_range) AND MAX(max_range)   etc...
[06:49] <gmb> Right.
[06:49] <bigjools> so should get True/False depending on whether the min from existing addresses is outside the entered range
[06:49] <bigjools> min/max
[06:49] <bigjools> well that query as it stands is crap but you get the idea :)
[06:50] <gmb> bigjools: Cool, thanks. I’d got as far as “cursor query” in my head and then was thinking about having another cup of tea before starting coding :).
[06:50] <bigjools> heh
[06:50] <bigjools> needs an ORDER in there too
[06:50] <bigjools> possibly... not sure if PG DTRT here
[06:52] <bigjools> I have NFI why Django is screwing with that other filter thing
[06:52] <bigjools> that's totally hatstand
[07:18] <bigjools> rvba: so Django is trying to be "helpful" again
[07:19] <rvba> bigjools: yeah, I just found where it's done…
[07:19] <bigjools> rvba: there's loads of bugs filed in the django tracker about host()
[07:19] <rvba> bigjools: in django/db/backends/postgresql_psycopg2/operations.py:DatabaseOperations
[07:20] <rvba>     def field_cast_sql(self, db_type):
[07:20] <bigjools> right
[07:20] <rvba>         if db_type == 'inet':
[07:20] <rvba>             return 'HOST(%s)'
[07:20] <rvba>         return '%s'
[07:20] <rvba> And GenericIPField = inet
[07:20] <bigjools> cursor.... sigh
[07:20] <bigjools> should be called a curser
[07:21] <rvba> heh
[07:21] <bigjools> because it gets used after you swear a lot at ORM bugs
[07:30] <rvba> bigjools: there is a workaround
[07:30] <rvba> n [2]: print StaticIPAddress.objects.filter(ip__lte='<IP_ADDRESS>').query
[07:30] <rvba> SELECT "maasserver_staticipaddress"."id", "maasserver_staticipaddress"."created", "maasserver_staticipaddress"."updated", "maasserver_staticipaddress"."ip", "maasserver_staticipaddress"."alloc_type", "maasserver_staticipaddress"."user_id" FROM "maasserver_staticipaddress" WHERE "maasserver_staticipaddress"."ip" <= <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:30] <bigjools> what's the workaround?
[07:31] <rvba> bigjools: it's a bit ugly:
[07:31] <rvba> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7759034/
[07:32] <bigjools> how did I guess that was coming
[07:32] <rvba> I just took it from the bug report.
[07:32] <bigjools> I'm going to use a cursor
[07:32] <rvba> bigjools: HOST is used only if get_internal_type return GenericIPField
[07:32] <bigjools> it's ugly, but not as ugly as that
[07:32] <bigjools> right - but what else would break?
[07:32] <rvba> The good thing with this workaround is that it's a one-off
[07:37] <bigjools> o/ jtv
[07:45] <bigjools> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/dup-static-ip-bug-1338452/+merge/225779
[07:45] <rvba> bigjools: on it
[07:45] <bigjools> TIA :)
[07:54] <bigjools> thanks rvba
[07:54] <bigjools> eating now, bbiab
[08:29] <allenap> BT have just arrived!
[08:51] <jtv> Who's willing to review the "identify NGI by name instead of network interface" API branch?  It's a large diff but only a few dozen actual lines changed: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/api-ngi-name/+merge/225650
[09:00] <bigjools> gmb: one more thing that bug should have said - clearing those fields while an IP is allocated is just as bad
[09:00] <gmb> bigjools: I figured that based on what Raphers said, but yes.
[09:00] <bigjools> gmb: tiptop
[09:16] <rvba> allenap: here is a canonistack instance for you: <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:16] <rvba> (With a MAAS package on it)
[09:34] <jtv> Also a slightly nontrivial lint branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/lint-2014-07-07/+merge/225794
[09:35] <rvba> jtv: I'll take it
[09:35] <jtv> Thanks.
[09:35] <jtv> Annoying lint.
[09:35] <jtv> Just didn't have the energy to address it Friday.
[09:48] <dimitern> bigjools, jtv, gmb, rvba, allenap, hey guys, we need to have a quick chat some time this week about networking in maas and juju, when will be a good time? (a couple of you for >1h g+ would be great)
[09:49] <jtv> Maybe tomorrow 09:00 UTC?
[09:49] <rvba> WFM
[09:49] <rvba> allenap: Do not forget to create the symlink to /mnt before you import the images btw
[09:50] <dimitern> rvba, jtv, that works for me too, I'll ask the others and send invites
[09:50] <dimitern> thanks!
[09:54] <jtv> ok
[09:57] <rvba> allenap: well, you won't probably need that instance now that you've got a proper connection :)
[09:58] <allenap> rvba: I need to stress test it :)
[10:54] <jtv> rvba, have you seen a spurious test failure in maasserver.tests.test_dns.TestDNSConfigModifications.test_add_node_updates_zone?
[10:54] <jtv> rndc gets a "connection refused."
[10:55] <jtv> Unlucky port number?
[10:57] <rvba> jtv: no, never seen that one
[11:06] <jtv> It seems to be rare.
[13:43] <blake_r> rvba: cleanup branch from the license key stuff
[13:43] <blake_r> rvba: https://code.launchpad.net/~blake-rouse/maas/utils-osystems-cleanup/+merge/225828
[13:44] <rvba> blake_r: Thanks… I'll have a look in a bit… I think allenap is working on this too, he might want to have a look as well.
[13:45] <allenap> blake_r, rvba: Yeah, I’ll review that.
[13:45] <blake_r> rvba: alot will change when rpc is done but wanted to get it in there
[13:47] <allenap> blake_r: Fwiw, I’m working on the RPC stuff for OperatingSystemRegistry.
[13:48] <blake_r> allenap: cool, you be better at it than me!
[14:29] <blake_r> allenap: https://code.launchpad.net/~blake-rouse/maas/test-os-preseed-templates/+merge/225838
[14:42] <jpds> rsyslogd-3000: Could not open dynamic file '/var/log/maas/rsyslog/10-1-56-17.cloud/2014/07/07/messages' [state -3000] - discarding message
[14:42] <jpds> Anyone know why that would be happening?
[14:44] <gmb> rvba, allenap: ^^
[14:45] <gmb> Looks like rsyslog hilarity but I haven’t seen that happen first-hand
[14:48] <rvba> jpds: never seen that one… like gmb said, it seems something is wrong with rsyslog;  if this happens consistently, I'd suggest changing rsyslog's log level to see if you can get more information about the error…
[14:49] <jpds> rvba: It's not creating any directories under /var/log/maas/rsyslog
[14:55] <allenap> jpds: Check ownership of /var/log/maas/rsyslog and the user that rsyslog runs as. It might be that /var/log/maas/rsyslog has the wrong owner.
[14:59] <jpds> allenap: Owned by maas:maas.
[15:01] <allenap> jpds: Yeah, on my machine it’s owned by syslog:syslog.
[15:06] <rvba> jtv: reviewing your discover-ipv6-interfaces branch now.
[15:08] <jtv> Thanks.
[17:17] <blake_r> allenap: jtv: rvba: gmb: can I get a review of this for 1.6 upgrade https://code.launchpad.net/~blake-rouse/maas/cluster-upgrade-boot-resources/+merge/225868
[17:20] <allenap> blake_r: I have dinner now, but I’ll look at it in ~2 hours. Is that okay?
[17:20] <blake_r> allenap: no rush, just wanted to inform you all
[17:22] <allenap> blake_r: I’d like to review it, and I’m really happy you’ve worked on it. I was puzzled earlier trying to figure out why loads of new things were being downloaded to the cache so I want to see what I missed.
[17:23] <blake_r> allenap: i remember you all mentioning it on irc or email, that it was an issue, couldnt find a bug for it, so i reported a new one
[17:24] <blake_r> allenap: it shouldn't modify the cache, might have just been downloading all of the new hwe kernels