[21:13] <guntbert> Sia--: I don't remember about hardy - but on my system its in applications/accessory passwords and encryption keys - there you right click on passwords - change password and choose an empty one
[21:13] <Guest58005> masturbate
[21:13] <Guest58005> masturbate
[21:13] <FloodBot1> Guest58005: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:14] <LjL> !ops | Guest58005
[21:14]  * righteous is confirming most of the FUD he'd heard about the ubuntu community, and already hates the way the distro works :/
[21:14] <dash9> How exactly is a "Diskless Image Server" installed? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+pots/bootloader/eo/65/+translate
[21:14] <sven_oostenbrink> How can I get at least my CDR to work in this shell so that I can burn the lucid image that I have got here?
[21:15] <genii> dash9: You would have a server which hands out dhcp numbers and pxe-boots it's clients to use for instance a canned version
[21:15] <righteous> how do i take a screenshot in gnome? :)
[21:15] <righteous> i have no ksnapshot :(
[21:15] <unimatrix> righteous: gnome-screenshot
[21:16] <righteous> thanks.
[21:16] <soreau> righteous: Try the PrintScreen button
[21:16] <soreau> Sys/Rq
[21:16] <trism> righteous: scrot is useful too, if you want to make a hotkey to take them to a specific folder with no user input
[21:16] <BigDaddyCool> Hello, Its maybe a common problem, but often my sound does not work anymore at some point. I dont know what causing it, after reboot it works fine. Is there a way to restart the sound subsystem?
[21:17] <dash9> sven_oostenbrink, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning
[21:17] <dash9> genii, thanks
[21:17] <BigDaddyCool> Soundcard is still present, media player still "plays" but no output through speakers
[21:18] <hiexpo> guntbert, - much better thanks
[21:18] <guntbert> hiexpo: you're welcome :-)
[21:19] <sven_oostenbrink> dash9: well, problem here is that I currently have no GUI availble, thanks to the last upgrade I did..   Because I sure don't.
[21:19] <hiexpo> oops
[21:19] <sven_oostenbrink> of all ubuntu releases since 7.04, 9.10 has by far been the greatest disaster I've seen.. nothing but slownes and problems
[21:20] <guntbert> hiexpo: ;-)
[21:20] <fastPutty> hello gusy when i do a SUDO, it always bring me this error: sudo: unable to resolve host XXXX
[21:20] <fatum77> sven: really because I have had no issues with 9.10.
[21:21] <guntbert> fastPutty: you changed your host name?
[21:21] <guntbert> !hostname | fastPutty
[21:21] <DIck> Howdy
[21:21] <righteous> ok, so should I use the catalyst from the amd website or should I use ubuntu's package for it?
[21:21]  * DIck is what I suck
[21:21] <righteous> yikes i am in slackware hell.
[21:22] <JrodDCX> good response IR cops!
[21:22] <jolaren> I have created a kickstart file, how do I fix the rest of the installation? The ubuntu.com says that I should "#
[21:22] <jolaren> Start the kickstart installation. You specify a kickstart installation with the boot parameter 'ks=', ie 'linux ks=http://path/to/ks.cfg'. " but I don't know how to create the CD?
[21:22] <Thunder_Drop> I've got a wireless card built into my laptop which works fine but I just purchased a D-link N capable pci-express card.  The card is based on the atheros chipset so I beleive it should work with the built in driver but I am  unsure what to do to get ubuntu to see the card
[21:23] <hiexpo> sven_oostenbrink, why wouldyou critisize something that was given to you for free / '  saying hey i am having problems what gas been changed be more appropriate but  than again
[21:24] <duffydack> Is there no better way of disabling thumbnails being made in .thumbnails, than just chmod 400 .thumbnails?
[21:24] <ChogyDan> righteous: whats the problem?  Just install the driver, right?
[21:24] <BigDaddyCool> Hello, Its maybe a common problem, but often my sound does not work anymore at some point. I dont know what causing it, after reboot it works fine. Is there a way to restart the sound subsystem?
[21:24] <magn3ts> duffydack, why don't you want thumbnails?
[21:24] <jack5463> i'm using ubuntu 9.10.  i have a virus that altered my firefox browser. how can i delete firefox and reinstall it?
[21:24] <Thunder_Drop> i can see the card with lspci but the documentation I've been looking at seems to assume that it just works if its found
[21:24] <hiexpo> sven_oostenbrink,  may i suggest microsoft windows
[21:24] <righteous> ChogyDan: its a hardlock and there is no sync before the lock, so i have no way of troubleshooting Xorg.0.log :(
[21:25] <duffydack> magn3ts, I didnt ask for a question, I just need an answer..
[21:25] <righteous> righteous: i have seen this behaviour from fglrx and this card in several distros now.
[21:25] <JrodDCX> jack5463:  you can goto your home folder and press ctrl+h and delete the .firefox or mozzila folder! to remove your settings and redo Firefox!
[21:25] <Akkernight> why does Ubuntu Software Center or Add/Remove not have a voting system for software in it, like it used to have?
[21:25] <magn3ts> jack5463, what virus?
[21:26] <JrodDCX> jack5463:  you can goto your home folder and press ctrl+h and delete the .firefox or mozzila folder! to remove your settings and redo Firefox!
[21:26] <mneptok> duffydack: you can disable thumbnails with gconf-editor, setting sizes to 0
[21:26] <magn3ts> duffydack, haha, first of all, rude. Second of all, there are other suggestions I could offer based on why you're trying to disable them, but yeah. chmod'ing is probably your only/best option, or by setting thumbnail size to zero
[21:26] <nemo_> hola
[21:26] <jbwiv> guys, I built a box last week and everything worked perfectly. However, something changed between then and today (I've apt-get updated a couple of times), and now I've gotten 3 complete system freezes today. And by free, I mean complete GUI lockups...no response to pings...everything. Can anyone suggest a troubleshooting process to isolate the cause of complete system freezes like this?
[21:26] <ekim> viruses in linux...thought that didnt happen.
[21:26] <ChogyDan> righteous: well, if you want the version, I would just apt-cache policy the package
[21:27] <hiexpo> Akkernight, i does have ratings at softpedia where many of the things are posted
[21:27] <tertitten> I'm thinking of setting up a little home music studio, I have little or non knowledge off suiting linux applications for this, any advice (other that ubuntustudio-desktop) ?
[21:27] <armence> Hello all, I have a laptop where the CD-drive is broken and I cannot boot from USB... (also no floppy disk) I have Windows XP installed on one partition and an empty partition, how can I install ubuntu on it?
[21:27] <righteous> ChogyDan: i have no idea what that means or what that does, I'm a slackware user.
[21:27] <mneptok> righteous: Slackware questions are offtopic for this channel.
[21:28] <johntramp> is there a better mp3 tagger than picard?
[21:28] <bastidrazor> !install | armence there are several options on this page
[21:28] <righteous> mneptok: ehm, I'm speaking english, right?  I'm using ubuntu right now, but im primarily a slackware user.
[21:28] <righteous> mneptok: please read a little closer if you intend on enforcing rules.
[21:28] <jugger90> Can I upgrade lucid alpha 2 from 9.10 ?
[21:28] <ChogyDan> righteous: does 8.66 sound like an fglrx version?
[21:28] <mneptok> righteous: watch the attitude.
[21:28] <righteous> ChogyDan: i have been going by the catalyst versions.
[21:28] <JrodDCX> johntramp:  You should use easyTag for mp3s !
[21:29] <righteous> mneptok: sorry, I just would expect an op to pay better attention.
[21:29] <krambiorix> hi guys, i have a stupid problem: i lost my hostname in the command line
[21:29] <johntramp> JrodDCX: easytag,  ok. ill check it out
[21:29] <krambiorix> so now i see ubuntu@(none)
[21:29] <mneptok> righteous: you can expect whatever you'd like. but being ad hominem is certainly against channel rules.
[21:29] <JrodDCX> krambiorix:  type hostname
[21:30] <krambiorix> hmmm it says alfresco (i'm installing alfresco)
[21:30] <jack5463> JrodDCX, how do i redo firefox?
[21:30] <krambiorix> ow but it should be alfresco
[21:30] <jbwiv> guys, I built a box last week and everything worked perfectly. However, something changed between then and today (I've apt-get updated a couple of times), and now I've gotten 3 complete system freezes today. And by free, I mean complete GUI lockups...no response to pings...everything. Can anyone suggest a troubleshooting process to isolate the cause of complete system freezes like this?
[21:30] <johntramp> JrodDCX: does easytag lookup the tag from musicbrainz or similar?
[21:30] <mneptok> jbwiv: boot to an earlier kernel?
[21:31] <hiexpo> jack5463, what do u mean redo / reinstall it
[21:31] <righteous> mneptok: oh, ok, so when i initially said 'im on ubuntu 9.10' and later said 'i am a slackware user so im not sure what that means' you were paying very close attention, so close attention that you thought I was in an ubuntu channel troubleshooting a slackware issue.  That makes perfect sense.  You done?
[21:31] <JrodDCX> johntramp:  I think it does , you may need a plugin
[21:31] <jbwiv> mneptok, is there a way to tell when I last installed a kernel via apt-get? I'm not certain a kernel was installed
[21:31] <krambiorix> JrodDCX: so that's i think the hostname when i type "hostname" is correct
[21:31] <righteous> !op mneptok abuse of ops
[21:31] <mneptok> righteous: one last time, lose the attitude.
[21:31] <hiexpo> uname -r
[21:31] <johntramp> ok.   thanks
[21:32] <crowx> how do I change the character encoding of what I type?
[21:32] <LjL> righteous: i'm told you were trolling ##linux earlier, have you moved to here because you were banned, or just got bored?
[21:32] <righteous> mneptok: dude, leave me alone.
[21:32] <ChogyDan> righteous: apt-cache policy fglrx-kernel-source                if you run that command, it will show the versions of the ati driver.  if you change policy to show, you get more info...
[21:32] <righteous> LjL: nah im testing out the ubuntu stuff because ive been getting reports of that 10.1 catalyst working with this card, im doing a little testing.
[21:33] <JrodDCX> jack5463:  just goto your home folder and press ctrl+h then find the folder named .mozilla and delete it! Just Know This will removed all your settings
[21:33] <crowx> anyone?
[21:33] <jack5463> hiexpo, yes reinstall firefox
[21:33] <bastidrazor> jack5463: open a terminal then type   mv ~/.mozilla/ .mozilla.old   .. then restart or open firefox
[21:34] <rlp10> Anyone got a howto for installing sup (mail client) on 9.04?
[21:34] <JrodDCX> jack5463:  just goto your home folder and press ctrl+h then find the folder named .mozilla and delete it! Just Know This will removed all your settings, this will fix most issues! that will not be fixed by a simple reinstall!
[21:34] <krambiorix> ok, no one can help?
[21:34] <Stat1C> Can anyone help point me in the right direction with issues pertaining to ALSA drivers? It works for about 3-4 seconds and then stops for 10-15 seconds, back and forth with lots of popping sounds. I've also already gone through the PulseAudio fix guide on the forums with no luck. I'm running Realtek ALC850 8-channel onboard audio.
[21:34] <JrodDCX> krambiorix:  whats wrong you need your host name?
[21:34] <phoenixz> Can anybody please please help me with this.. I did an apt-get upgrade like 1 hour ago, and ever since my xorg is not working anymore.. first, what happened in the crappiest release ever, 9.10 that was already plagued with problems?? how come that an upgrade within the same release causes my keyboard and mouse not to work anymore?   All somehow don't recognize the empty CD in the drive.. so what can I do now??
[21:34] <righteous> ChogyDan: thanks, ill try that; sorry, I got distracted by the abuse of ops after not reading what I was actually saying.  Is it always like that in here? :P
[21:35] <JrodDCX> krambiorix:  whats wrong you need your host name?
[21:35] <bullgard> '~$ LANG=C sudo mount -o loop /home/detlef/Naturwissenschaften/Mathematik/sage-4.3.1.sqfs /home/detlef/; mount: /dev/loop0: can't read superblock '. What is wrong in this syntax?
[21:35] <krambiorix> JrodDCX: when i type sudo, : unable to resolve host
[21:35] <jbwiv> is there a way to cause log files like messages, system.log, etc to be backed up upon reboot? so you can analyze system crashes?
[21:35] <LjL> !hostname | krambiorix
[21:35] <leo> hello!
[21:35] <rlp10> shouldn't it be LANG=C; sudo ...
[21:35] <hiexpo> i would suggest going into ubuntu software center and type direfox and uninstall it than go to synaptic an look if there is any left over  config if so mark for complete removal than go back and reinstall it in software center
[21:35] <LjL> krambiorix: perhaps you've done the thing that factoid says not to do?
[21:35] <ChogyDan> righteous: he just made a mistake, just relax
[21:36] <leo> how do I install the swap file on Xubuntu 9.10?
[21:36] <bastidrazor> !swap | leo  read this page.
[21:36] <righteous> ChogyDan: oh is he new to stuff?
[21:37] <rlp10> no-one uses the sup mail client?
[21:37] <alvriiCoo> ola
[21:38] <alvriiCoo> k tal
[21:38] <JrodDCX> krambiorix:  check out this article  on your host issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=950046
[21:38] <alvriiCoo> stamk
[21:38] <alvriiCoo> ola
[21:38] <alvriiCoo> visual
[21:38] <rek> hi : Resolving build dependencies...
[21:38] <rek> Unable to resolve  libqtgui4 execstack.  Please manually install and try again.
[21:39] <skoef> how come debootstrap hangs on I: Configuring console-setup...
[21:40] <Stat1C> Can anyone help me with ALSA issues causing popping sounds and for sound to only work for 3-5 seconds then randomly stop working?
[21:40] <skoef> and how can i exclude console-setup from the packages
[21:41] <rubbs> I'm looking for a way to start an X program from ssh, but have it *not* try to display on the ssh client's machine and open up in the X session on the host I already have running. How can I do this?
[21:41] <JrodDCX> Stat1C:  this osunds more like a pulseaudio issue :( what sound card do you use ?
[21:41] <rek> help
[21:41] <Stat1C> JrodDCX: It's an onboard Realtek ALC850 8-channel, I've already gone through the popular PulseAudio fix guide with no luck.
[21:42] <bastidrazor> rubbs: one way is nohup app-name   .. that isn't the best way but the only way i know of.
[21:42] <jbwiv> is there a way to cause log files like messages, system.log, etc to be backed up upon reboot? so you can analyze system crashes?
[21:42] <Flare183> !ask | rek
[21:42] <JrodDCX> Stat1C:  this card is reported as supported , you can try kubuntu it uses a different audio wrapper
[21:42] <bullgard> '~$ LANG=C sudo mount -o loop /home/detlef/Naturwissenschaften/Mathematik/sage-4.3.1.sqfs /home/detlef/; mount: /dev/loop0: can't read superblock '. What is wrong in this syntax?
[21:43] <rek> Flare183: i got this error installing ati propiety drivers
[21:43] <Flare183> !ati | rek (don't use those)
[21:43] <Stat1C> JrodDCX: It was working yesterday and then just suddenly started giving me issues. I'm getting a bunch of underrun errors.
[21:43] <Flare183> or wait
[21:43] <krambiorix> JrodDCX: i don't have a connection to internet so i can't apt-get
[21:43] <ugliefrog> does anyone know of a rss feeder for the terminal
[21:44] <rek> Flare183: why
[21:44] <rek> i'm in low grphic mode damn!!
[21:44] <blakkheim> ugliefrog: raggle
[21:45] <rubbs> bastidrazor: thanks. not what I'm looking for, but interesting all the same. Thanks.
[21:45] <JrodDCX> Stat1C:  You can try getting a live cd kubuntu for free
[21:45] <ugliefrog> blakkheim--- thanks ill try it
[21:45] <Stat1C> JrodDCX: Yea I already have a copied burned, thanks.
[21:45] <rlp10> Anyone use sup mail client? How does it compare with mutt?
[21:46] <JrodDCX> krambiorix: did you see the link ? do you have a host file on it?
[21:46] <krambiorix> JrodDCX: i have a host file in /etc
[21:46] <JrodDCX> hmmm
[21:46] <docmax> is there a better syslog-manager than the gnome build in?
[21:46] <krambiorix> JrodDCX: and i put .domain after the computername
[21:47] <Welshy_Rob> anyone know of a application that lets you view all inbound and outbound connections?
[21:47] <JrodDCX> docmax:  you can search synaptic package manager for  "syslog"
[21:47] <crowx> c
[21:47] <rubbs> rlp10: sup works kind of like gmail.
[21:47] <docmax> good idea
[21:47] <rlp10> rubbs, you use it? is it good?
[21:48] <krambiorix> JrodDCX: when i type hostname , i get (none)
[21:48] <leider> hola
[21:48] <rubbs> rlp10: I liked it, but I couldn't use it on multiple computers due to the need for an index. But it was pretty good
[21:48] <hiexpo> why do people complain that ubuntu 9.10 is slow or firefox is slow ? from my experience i boot in about 3 secs avd web pages open very fast compared to IE /and i do not save cookies nor history ////    so probably that pos computer one has
[21:48] <frank_shaf> anyone here experienced with sendmail?  i have an odd issue
[21:49] <ekim> hiexpo:  maybe they are using in with a pentium 2..
[21:49] <JrodDCX> Kamokow:  type (as root) hostname "The Host Name You Want" .. you may need to use sudo first
[21:49] <hiexpo> ekim, -yep
[21:49] <rlp10> rubbs, thanks for your time
[21:49] <JrodDCX> krambiorix: :  type (as root) hostname "The Host Name You Want" .. you may need to use sudo first
[21:50] <leider> hola
[21:50] <rubbs> rlp10: np, I'd try it out. but if you need multiple client support, I don't think it's there yet
[21:50] <ekim> leider, hola
[21:50] <soldiermullins> good evening everyone :)
[21:50] <leider> hola
[21:50] <ekim> soldiermullins: hello
[21:50] <marlen> hello
[21:51] <jolaren> Where on the installation disc do I add http://adress.com/ks.cfg ?
[21:51] <krambiorix> JrodDCX: that's it! it works
[21:51] <ekim> marlen, hello
[21:51] <soldiermullins> I wonder if someone can help me with a little problem :p
[21:51] <jolaren> soldiermullins; just state your question
[21:52] <soldiermullins> I have just installed ubuntu x64 9.10 and I had trouble with monitor support first of all so I have had to run in safe graphics mode, but as for updating drivers in general I am having a little trouble so any information will be very helpful :)
[21:53] <marlen> how can I instal emule?
[21:53] <jolaren> soldiermullins; Nvidia? Intel?
[21:53] <soldiermullins> nvidia I believe :)
[21:54] <jolaren> soldiermullins; insert the Nvidia PPA.. Search on google "Nvidia PPA" the first thing that comes up
[21:55] <ekim> will rdesktop work with a pc with vista or win 7?
[21:55] <marlen> vista
[21:55] <soldiermullins> ok thanks :)
[21:56] <hiexpo> maybe i am just lucky but never really had any probs with ubuntu or any program problems but if i am unsure of anything i Google it and read before doing anything i do not just go witht the first option /// and from what i have found to be true is that when installing software i do not use  software center because it will not show you what is being changed //so it is better to use synaptic for it will show you all changes being
[21:56] <hiexpo> made    all installs and removals
[21:58] <blakkheim> hiexpo: aptitude > synaptic
[21:58] <hiexpo> ok
[21:59] <alkamid> could someone help me with tspc ipv6 tunnelling @ jaunty please?
[22:00] <alkamid> I get "303 Unsupported tunnel mode" error
[22:01] <krambiorix> JrodDCX: thx!
[22:03] <hiexpo> blakkheim, yep
[22:03] <lacita> need harddrive help specifically with parted
[22:03] <sillyCEO> Anyone here customize Network Manager?  When I turn off my router, I want my unsupervised computer to automatically keep trying to reconnect. Currently, it does this for about a minute, but then it gives up and puts up a dialog ("wireless network authemntication required") requiring me to select the network manually.  Ideas? Contacts?
[22:03] <zealot> what the heck just happened
[22:04] <pweezy> netsplit
[22:04] <Ingsoc> Can someone please help me figure out why writing to a usb drive takes FOREVER? I have tried posting to the forums for a week and this is my second time in here trying o resolve this issue, I don't want to have to boot into windows to copy a file to a usb stick. Please help me.
[22:04] <Soul_Shadow> hi all
[22:04] <magn3ts> Ingsoc, is it a specific type/brand/size of jumpdrive?
[22:04] <pweezy> zealot: thats a netsplit.  it happens when one of the servers on the network breaks their link.
[22:04] <batespcm> hey peeps is this the help for beginners channel?
[22:05] <wotsolatsod731> hello
[22:05] <Rewt`> hi
[22:05] <Ingsoc> magn3ts: nope, 3 different drives smae problem
[22:05] <hellyeah> listening dream theater making air drumming
[22:05] <Soul_Shadow> hellyeah my radio station will be back up soon soulshadow.69.mu check it out.. I gotta fly all L8tr
[22:05] <magn3ts> Ingsoc, sorry I'm not good enough at linux to tell you where to start troubleshooting, but I figured it was a question worth asking good luck
[22:05] <wotsolatsod731> bye
[22:06] <Ingsoc> magn3ts: thanks anyway, anyone else?
[22:06] <Soul_Shadow> repeat question
[22:06] <SendmailQuestion> can anyone here help me with a sendmail issue?
[22:06] <Ingsoc> Can someone please help me figure out why writing to a usb drive takes FOREVER? I have tried posting to the forums for a week and this is my second time in here trying o resolve this issue, I don't want to have to boot into windows to copy a file to a usb stick. Please help me.
[22:06] <verb3k> xchat question
[22:06] <verb3k> Does ignoring also prevents the ignored nick from receiving regular chat messages?
[22:06] <pweezy> verb3k: yes it does :)
[22:07] <Myke516> Greetings all. just a quick question. Having a graphic issue... how do I start Ubuntu 9.10 in graphic safe mode?
[22:07] <verb3k> pweezy, thank you :)  I want to get rid of many poisonous people
[22:07] <Soul_Shadow> Ingsoc you using an older pc usb 1.0?
[22:07] <Ingsoc> Soul_Shadow: usb 2.0
[22:07] <silverraindog> Myke516: it should be in the boot menu
[22:07] <Ingsoc> Soul_Shadow: transfer rates around 100k/s
[22:07] <pweezy> verb3k: hehe ditto.
[22:07] <pweezy> anyone working with a newer radeon hd card with the proprietary drivers?
[22:08] <Ingsoc> Soul_Shadow: been having this problem off and on since ubuntu 8.10
[22:08] <Soul_Shadow> ubuntu updated?? or the older one
[22:08] <Myke516> @silverraindog is there a button to push while loading up?
[22:08] <soreau> ! anyone | pweezy
[22:08] <Ingsoc> Soul_Shadow: Currently running 9.10 fully updated
[22:09] <jehn> huh?
[22:09] <Myke516> like F8 or something to boot Ubuntu into safe mode?
[22:09] <bullgard> '~$ LANG=C sudo mount -o loop,ro -t sqashfs /home/detlef/Naturwissenschaften/Mathematik/sage-4.3.1.sqfs /tmp/mount/ ; mount: /dev/loop0: can't read superblock '. What went wrong here?
[22:09] <Myke516> i dont get a menu
[22:09] <soldiermullins> I have a wireless network card installed but I had a message which has since disappeared about not using the right drivers, and that it's running at a poor speed, so do I need to add another software source location? I'm still unsure about adding these drivers :/
[22:09] <jehn> i wanna ask if i can download ym here
[22:10] <hiexpo> lol
[22:11] <Soul_Shadow> im puzzled ngsoc
[22:11] <bullgard> soldiermullins: The exact error message is important. Repeat the procedure to obtain the exact error message.
[22:11] <Ingsoc> Soul_Shadow: You and me both.
[22:11] <Soul_Shadow> possible that your drive is using outdated drivers or the readahead & write catching is disabled
[22:11] <pweezy> soreau: im trying to get the radeon hd 5770 working on 9.10 karmic.
[22:11] <Ingsoc> its a 4 gb usb thumb drive, no drivers that I am aware of
[22:12] <pweezy> soreau: all i get is a hard lock :(
[22:12] <soldiermullins> the message appeared while I was using ubuntu live CD but hasn't appeared since I have installed the OS, but my connection from this new pc is insanely poor right now
[22:12] <Soul_Shadow> can you check the write & read on the drive??
[22:12] <Soul_Shadow> write catching & read ahead
[22:12] <Myke516> Well, how about this. What would be the command line command to install the nvidia restricted drivers?
[22:12] <soreau> pweezy: How did you install the drivers?
[22:13] <Ingsoc> Soul_Shadow: using iotop it runs in bursts, on for about 1.5mb/s off for 3-5secs
[22:13] <pweezy> soreau: i just used the installer built into the gnome build that was built in
[22:13] <soreau> pweezy: Well with that new card you would probably have to install very latest catalyst drivers from amd
[22:13] <Kengine> I have a text file, when I do a "more" or edit with "vim" it shows no blank lines, but when I open it with text editor or try to copy each lines have a blank line after it, how can I get rid of it, I tried both grep and sed, none works
[22:13] <tarski> Ingsoc: try adding pci=routeirq to the grub boot option
[22:13] <pweezy> soreau: so i should get it right from the site?
[22:13] <soreau> ! ati | pweezy
[22:13] <speedxxxcore> I've installed a new soundcard? how do I detect it?
[22:13] <pweezy> i mean the official package?
[22:13] <soreau> pweezy: Yes
[22:13] <soldiermullins> its a little bit of a pain because I have drivers for a few things here on CD's but they are all exe files that fail to run here on ubuntu
[22:14] <pweezy> soreau: ok, thanks much. ;)
[22:14] <Ingsoc> tarski: What does that do?
[22:14] <alkamid> I have a problem with setting up an ipv6 tunnel via tspc, could any1 help please?
[22:14] <Soul_Shadow> ingsoc possible linux does not understand the burt rate
[22:14] <tarski> Ingsoc: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/15648/
[22:14] <Myke516> sudo apt-get install Nvidia Drivers? would that work?
[22:14] <Myke516> or is there a different command line that would work
[22:15] <Myke516> ?
[22:15] <blakkheim> lol
[22:15] <hiexpo> lmao
[22:15] <phoenixz> The lucid alpha CD seems to be 725 megabytes large, I have a 700 megabytes CD.. will this burn?
[22:15] <hiexpo> i am greenbut not tthat green lol
[22:16] <suigeneris> !find libtcl.so
[22:16] <justine777w> I can not view videos from a certain website. I keep getting an error: No URI handler implemented for "mms".
[22:16] <Myke516> nope that does work
[22:16] <blakkheim> justine777w: mplayer mms://urlhere
[22:16] <silverraindog> phoenixz: dont think so
[22:16] <Myke516> Is there even a commandline command for installing the nvidia drivers?
[22:16] <Soul_Shadow> thx tarc forgot about that one :P
[22:16] <tarski> Ingsoc: just use the terminal to do large copies
[22:17] <Myke516> since i cant get into ubuntu
[22:17] <justine777w> blakkheim: when i clicked on it i got the same error
[22:17] <phoenixz> silverraindog: thats what I thought.. but are there CD's bigger than 700MB? Or could I write this ISO onto a DVD?
[22:17] <IdleOne> blakkheim hiexpo if you don't have anything useful to say that can help a user, that is fine but please don't laugh at people.
[22:17] <blakkheim> justine777w: uh? i just told you what to do
[22:17] <Kengine> I have a text file, when I do a "more" or edit with "vim" it shows no blank lines, but when I open it with text editor or try to copy each lines have a blank line after it, how can I get rid of it, I tried both grep and sed, none works
[22:17] <Ingsoc> tarski: I have tried using cp in the terminal and I get the same problem.
[22:17] <RiverRat> How do I find out which package contains gnome-keyring?
[22:17] <hiexpo> IdleOne, - sorry
[22:17] <Myke516> hmmm i guess command line isnt going to work
[22:18] <justine777w> blakkheim: I do not understand. I clicked on the link u just showed me and got the same error message: No URI handler implemented for "mms".
[22:18] <IdleOne> !nvidia | Myke516
[22:18] <tarski> Ingsoc: youre using 64-bit 9.10 yes?
[22:18] <blakkheim> justine777w: it was not a link, i told you what to type in the terminal to play the video, you were supposed to replace "urlhere" with the url.. :/
[22:18] <Myke516> not that its very useful, but sometimes it is. well, anyone know how to maybe boot into ubuntu in safe graphics mode?
[22:18] <Ingsoc> tarski: yes
[22:18] <Soul_Shadow> ok all I am outta here.. have fun & good luck
[22:18] <justine777w> blakkheim: oh okay I will try that
[22:18] <tarski> Ingsoc: as you can see this is a known issue, so try some suggestions in the forums
[22:18] <RiverRat> is there an apt-get incantation that works for that?
[22:19] <silverraindog> phoenixz: i think 750meg ? i am sure you burn it on to a dvd, i dont think they are that much different
[22:19] <Ingsoc> tarski: I have tried them all. I have been googling this issue for almost 8 months. I just wish it would get fixed! I have found this problem in the forums going all the way back to 7.04!
[22:19] <Sutibu> hey, anyone else having trouble with choppy HD video playback with AMD 64 and ATI 48xx series?
[22:19] <khalid> could someone tell me how to find all hard links in a directory please!
[22:20] <tarski> Ingsoc: I'm using 32-bit, and I don't have this issue
[22:20] <phoenixz> silverraindog: sure it will burn, but will it boot?
[22:20] <Ingsoc> I was kind of hoping there would be a usb guru in here
[22:20] <rek> can u help me with ati prop drivers?
[22:20] <blakkheim> Sutibu: ati is the enemy of your freedom. what video player are you using? your cpu might not be fast enough to watch hd video
[22:20] <silverraindog> phoenixz: if you have a dvd rom, it should do
[22:20] <rek> i got an error
[22:20] <tarski> Ingsoc: in the 8 months you could have developed your own fix and submitted it as a patch ;)
[22:21] <Sutibu> blakkheim: Trust me when I say it's fast enough. I'm using VLC
[22:21] <Ingsoc> tarski: If I knew what the problem wa I would have.
[22:21] <blakkheim> Sutibu: then vlc is the problem. it's a poorly-coded application and only uses 1 thread for video decoding. ;(
[22:21] <Sutibu> blakkheim: Any suggestions?
[22:22] <blakkheim> Sutibu: grab an svn snapshot of mplayer-mt and compile that. it'll use more than 1 core and probbably fix your issue.
[22:22] <khalid> good evening
[22:22] <Ingsoc> tarski: this is so frustrating, I am trying to copy a movie onto a thumb drive for a flight tomorrow. It is a 3 hour flight, copying the file? Time remaining: 16 hours. WTF
[22:22] <bullgard> '~$ LANG=C sudo mount -o loop,ro -t sqashfs /home/detlef/Naturwissenschaften/Mathematik/sage-4.3.1.sqfs /tmp/mount/ ; mount: /dev/loop0: can't read superblock '. What went wrong here?
[22:22] <Sutibu> blakkheim: But isn't it supposed to GPU decode?
[22:23] <Sutibu> blakkheim: Or is that where the ATI evil overlords come in?
[22:23] <blakkheim> Sutibu: nvidia cards can do that, not sure about ati (in linux)
[22:23] <cthulhu2> Hey guys im having an issue. I go to myspace to listen to a band and I can hear the music but the player isnt showing up
[22:23] <cthulhu2> anyone help?
[22:23] <tarski> Ingsoc: then try using 32-bit, again I don't have this issue
[22:23] <rek> can u help me with ati prop drivers?
[22:23] <coz_> cthulhu2,  did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[22:23] <rek> help
[22:23] <cthulhu2> I did coz_
[22:23] <Sutibu> blakkheim: thanks for the help, bye
[22:23] <coz_> cthulhu2,  mm   can you give me alink
[22:23] <khalid_> does some one knows how to fond all hard links in a directory?
[22:23] <marek_> hello there everyone
[22:24] <Ingsoc> I don't really feel like reinstalling an entire OS just to copy a file to a thumb drive. I guess I will just go back to Windows.
[22:24] <cthulhu2> http://myspace.com/eteva   coz_
[22:24] <khalid_> hello marek
[22:24] <ugliefrog> :)
[22:24] <ja> hey
[22:24] <justine777w> blakkheim: I tried what you said and it did not work
[22:24] <coz_> cthulhu2,  ok that looks like a flash video   make sure you have flash plugin installed
[22:24] <ja> ? instal cam.
[22:25] <cthulhu2> coz_  how do I do that?
[22:25] <cthulhu2> It was working fine yesterday!
[22:25] <marek_> what's new out here ?
[22:25] <robleekip> Hello quick question, how can i check if 9.10 is detecting my wireless card... I've used lshw and i get a line that says *-network:1 UNCLAIMED
[22:25] <robleekip>                 description: Ethernet controller
[22:25] <robleekip>                 product: 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless
[22:25] <coz_> cthulhu2,   oh!   mm   is this gnome?
[22:25] <cthulhu2> it is indeed
[22:25] <ja> linux Ubotu
[22:25] <tarski> Ingsoc: have you tried: sudo rmmod ehci_hcd and sudo modprobe ehci_hcd?
[22:25] <coz_> cthulhu2,   ok go to system/administraon/synaptic packa
[22:25] <cthulhu2> ok
[22:25] <coz_> cthulhu2,  package manager
[22:26] <soldiermullins> if I have drivers for any hardware on a disk in exe form, is there anyway I can put this onto ubuntu?
[22:26] <warriorforgod> Ingsoc: did you try enabling USB legacy mode in your bios?
[22:26] <phoenixz> Well, think Ive found the CD issue.. the ISO is 725MB,  the CD 700.. thanks to K3B and burn and cdr and everything else for just actually giving me the crappy error message "Please insert empty medium" instead of what really went wrong "The current medium (700MB) is too small to burn the speciifed ISO file (725MB)"...
[22:26] <cthulhu2> coz_  im there brother
[22:26] <coz_> cthulhu2,  ok  hit the search button and type in    adobe
[22:26] <Ingsoc> warriorforgod: Yes
[22:26] <cthulhu2> coz_  okay
[22:26] <khalid_> come on Ubuntu Masters :) Please help me out how to find hard links in a directory :)
[22:26] <coz_> cthulhu2,  then see if    flashpugin-installer  is installed
[22:26] <Ingsoc> tarski: I would but I would like to know how to undo that in case it breaks something else.
[22:27] <coz_> cthulhu2,  not the adobe-flashplugin at
[22:27] <coz_> the top
[22:27] <dakira> does anyone know the live-cd boot-option that prevents the cd to use existing swap-partitions? is there even one?
[22:27] <coz_> cthulhu2,   but just down form that listing
[22:27] <justine777w> I am unable to view a video from a website and using terminal mplayer mms://urlhere did not work
[22:27] <cthulhu2> the installer is not installed but when I mark it it says it will uninstall the flash-plugin
[22:27] <cthulhu2> coz_  ^
[22:27] <coz_> cthulhu2,  mmm
[22:27] <IdleOne> justine777w: what is the url of the video?
[22:27] <coz_> cthulhu2,  ok go ahead and install that  lets see what happens
[22:28] <marek_> khalid -wha'ts the problem is ?
[22:28] <justine777w> idleOne: http://www.learner.org/vod/vod_window.html?pid=1744
[22:28] <coz_> cthulhu2,  it should install the flashplugin for you at the same time
[22:28] <warriorforgod> Ingsoc: Can you pastebin your /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab with the USB drive mounted?
[22:28] <tarski> Ingsoc: well it's a known fix
[22:28] <IdleOne> justine and you tried mms://http://www.learner.org/vod/vod_window.html?pid=1744
[22:28] <robleekip> to use ndiswrapper do i need to uninstall any wireless drivers before hand?
[22:28] <coz_> cthulhu2,  then close synaptic and go to that link you gave me to see if it plays now
[22:28] <nabil> hi i finished installing the nvidia driver, after reboot, any video i play has a black output, someone please help
[22:28] <justine777w> idelone: yes i did. i got an error message
[22:28] <Homely_Girl> Greetings oh u brainy ones!! :D
[22:28] <Ingsoc> warriorforgod: One moment
[22:28] <silverraindog> Ingsoc: try this .51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[22:29] <silverraindog> 22:35 -!- Milos_SD<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[22:29] <silverraindog> 22:35 < coz_> cthulhu2,  it should install the flashplugin for you at the same time
[22:29] <Myke516> well, that webpage didnt help much
[22:29] <silverraindog> .51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[22:29] <silverraindog> 22:35 -!- Milos_SD<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[22:29] <silverraindog> 22:35 < coz_> cthulhu2,  it should install the flashplugin for you at the same time
[22:29] <silverraindog> stupid putty
[22:29] <Myke516> hmmm
[22:29] <apollo8> installing ubuntu right now. do i have to install its boot loader? or can i just use the windows boot loader? i've been having problems with this install all day. i'm running it alongside windows xp.
[22:29] <coz_> silverraindog,  I see that what is the issue
[22:29] <ekim> Homely_Girl, greetings!
[22:29] <Homely_Girl> Now I know how to apt -get install I don't see the point of using synaptic!! Can anyone gimme the file name for flash and java plse? :)
[22:29] <nabil> hi i finished installing the nvidia driver, after reboot, any video i play has a black output, someone please help
[22:29] <silverraindog> Ingsoc: ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=793688
[22:30] <Homely_Girl> ekim: It's so nice to have friendly geeks! :)
[22:30] <coz_> Homely_Girl,   sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras  sun-java6-plugin
[22:30] <silverraindog> coz_: er when you try and copy and paste as well as try to do a ctrl instert, and this happens yes ;)
[22:30] <coz_> cthulhu2,   did that work?
[22:30] <IdleOne> justine777w: No such file or directory. I am getting the same error
[22:30] <ekim> Homely_Girl,  I wouldnt say i am a geek...especially with linux...kinda new at it so i am just reading / learning.
[22:31] <Homely_Girl> coz_: *mwah* thank you. :)
[22:31] <coz_> Homely_Girl,  no problem
[22:31] <apollo8> installing ubuntu right now. do i have to install its boot loader? or can i just use the windows boot loader? i've been having problems with this install all day. i'm running it alongside windows xp
[22:31] <justine777w> idleone: so what do i do? I know that there is a video there
[22:31] <benkay86> Hi! I'm trying to install kernel 2.6.32 on karmic. I know I can download and manually install debs from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ but is there a way to do it through apt-get, like by adding a line to sources.list or something?
[22:31] <Homely_Girl> ekim: This is also true...we're just clever ppl who know a quality O/S when we use it! :)
[22:31] <nabil> hi i finished installing the nvidia driver, after reboot, any video i play has a black output, someone please help
[22:31] <IdleOne> justine777w: not sure to be honest
[22:31] <Ingsoc> warriorforgod: http://pastebin.com/m394b64e9
[22:31] <coz_> cthulhu2,   hey guy I have to break here so if that doesnt work   let someone know  :)
[22:32] <apollo8> can anyone plz help with ubuntu installation?
[22:32] <Myke516> Hmmm apparently there isnt a safemode in Ubuntu. Im thinking this, when i load into the log-on screen the graphics get garbled... anywork around for that?
[22:32] <ekim> Homely_Girl,  I cant argue that!  I also know when and when not to speak...
[22:32] <nabil> hi i finished installing the nvidia driver, after reboot, any video i play has a black output, someone please help
[22:32] <shane2peru> anyone every convert a pdf to text via ocr?  any guides?
[22:33] <Homely_Girl> Cobi: Can I apt -get install in 2 different terminals at the same time or is that not advisable? :P
[22:33] <warriorforgod> Homely_Girl: It isn't possible.
[22:33] <Homely_Girl> ekim: U sound completely whipped! lol
[22:33] <shane8002> nabi:l are trying to play a video online or on your hard drive
[22:33] <Myke516> hmmm, i guess not either.
[22:33] <benkay86> apollo8: It is possible to keep the Windows bootloader in the MBR and use it to start Ubuntu, but that certainly isn't the easiest option. Specifically, what sort of trouble are you having with installation?
[22:33] <Homely_Girl> warriorforgod: Good nick, and okay I'll accept that limitation! :)
[22:33] <chcat> test msg
[22:34] <Myke516> well im at a loss
[22:34] <Myke516> not sure what to do at this point
[22:34] <nabil> i finished installing the nvidia driver, after reboot, any video i play has a black output, someone please help
[22:34] <ekim> Homely_Girl,  ouch, that hurt :D  Just dont know enough about linux to help.  Just happy it works for me.
[22:34] <Homely_Girl> chcat: Are we supposed 2 aknowledge your test msg? :)
[22:34] <shane8002> nabil: are trying to play a video on your hard drive or on the internet
[22:34] <Homely_Girl> ekim: I'm sorry but it was the "knowing when to keep quiet" that made me jump to that conclusion! lol
[22:35] <IdleOne> ekim: you are welcome to ask/answer questions at any time if you just feel like chatting you can join #ubuntu-offtopic.
[22:35] <apollo8> benkay86 i tried doing a regular install and after reboot it wouldn't load the os. i would just get a blinking dash in the top left corner of my screen.
[22:35] <Homely_Girl> uh oh!! lol
[22:35] <ekim> Homely_Girl,  yeah, i got that, no harm done!
[22:35] <benkay86> OK. Just so we're on the same page, would you happen to be installing Ubuntu on an external hard drive?
[22:35]  * Homely_Girl humbly bows thank you to all who helped 'n backs out the door quietly! :)
[22:36] <apollo8> ya installing from a usb
[22:36] <nabil> shane8002, a video on my harddrive
[22:36] <clausen> where are the configuration files stored in ubuntu?
[22:36] <ekim> IdleOne,  I am just happy I dont have these problems...of course, I dont do much with this Ubuntu yet!
[22:36] <robleekip> in ndiswrapper i get the messege    hardware present: no         how can i turn the wireless card on?
[22:36] <shane8002> nabil: are you getting any error messages or can you hear the audio while playing a video?
[22:36] <CyL> Is there a way to always start gnome-terminal without the menu bar?
[22:37] <nabil> shane8002, i hear the audio, but i cant see any video
[22:37] <benkay86> apollo8: Are you installing *from* a USB (i.e. instead of a CD), or are you installing *to* an USB device?
[22:37] <mindworx> is there a way to run ASP on ubuntu?
[22:37] <mindworx> an ASP server
[22:37] <Noturno99> somebody help me? when I try to compila my program in gtk show this: Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[22:37] <Noturno99> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[22:37] <Noturno99> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[22:37] <Noturno99> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[22:37] <FloodBot1> Noturno99: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:38] <apollo8> from. i used universal netboot installer to put it on the flash drive
[22:38] <shane8002> nabil: what is the format of the video your trying to play
[22:38] <nabil> shane8002, i watched the same movie today before i changed the graphics card, and the only thing i did to my system today was add a graphics card and install the driver
[22:38] <trism> Noturno99: install libgtk2.0-dev
[22:38] <nabil> shane8002, avi/divX
[22:38] <Noturno99> yes
[22:38] <Noturno99> i did it
[22:38] <Noturno99> http://paste.ubuntu.com/367872/ please here
[22:39] <Noturno99> what can I do?
[22:39] <shane8002> nabil: okay what is your card model
[22:39] <nabil> shane8002, nVidia GeForce 9400 GT
[22:40] <trism> Noturno99: you need libgtk2.0-dev, that is the package that contains gtk+-2.0.pc, if that doesn't work, something is wrong with your build environment
[22:40] <apollo8> benkay, you there?
[22:40] <Kentrel> I don't have a menu.lst in /boot/grub
[22:40] <Kentrel> Where is it?
[22:40] <apatientdr> wondering if I could get some assistance with a audio problem Im having with ubuntu 9.10 on a macbook 2,1?
[22:41] <mindworx> anyone>
[22:41] <mindworx> ?
[22:41] <mindworx> is there a way to run ASP on ubuntu?
[22:41] <benkay86> apollo8: OK, so basically you used http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ and an Ubuntu ISO to create a bootable USB device, and then you tried to install Ubuntu to... your internal hard drive?
[22:41] <jolaren> I'm trying to edit a file but when I try to save it says Read only file system. I've tried chmod 777 /mnt* and chown sudo chmod -R ugo+w /mnt*.. What more can I try? I'm out of ideas
[22:41] <Noturno99> this file don't exist in my pc?
[22:41] <nabil> shane8002, VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9400 GT] (rev a1)
[22:41] <Noturno99> i can't find it
[22:41] <shane8002> nabil: okay make sure you enable the driver after install
[22:41] <aar> Hi, if I run a loop in bash and it goes wrong, what process do I have to kill to stop it?
[22:41] <Noturno99> gtk+-2.0.pc
[22:41] <trism> Noturno99: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev;
[22:41] <jolaren> No1 knows how? ;(
[22:42] <apollo8> oh sorry i used the usb to install ubunutu on a hp mini 311 notebook (no optical drive)
[22:42] <nabil> shane8002, its enabled other wise i woudnt have desktop effects ryt? =S
[22:42] <apollo8> onto that hard drive
[22:42] <Noturno99> yes, I did I.  the package is instaled
[22:42] <Noturno99> but i have to configure environment variables
[22:42] <Noturno99> correct?
[22:42] <Myke516> is there a CL command maybe to boot ubuntu in graphic safe mode?
[22:42] <trism> Noturno99: you shouldn't need to configure the environment variables, they should be set up correctly by default
[22:42] <Myke516> or something. Anything
[22:42] <nabil> shane8002, plus the h/w  drivers from administration tools says its enabled and in use
[22:43] <Noturno99> hum
[22:43] <Lungan_> Having som trouble with shared folders on ubuntu, I can see all the windows computer on the lan, but my friend on ubuntu, who runs the same version, can't see any computer, exept the folder "Windows network" who gives an error msg when tries to open "WORKGROUP"
[22:43] <xauxau> oi
[22:43] <benkay86> apollo8: OK. And now when you turn on your netbook, you see the BIOS post screen and then nothing but a blinking cursor.
[22:43] <Noturno99> what do you think?
[22:43] <shane8002> nabil: its kinda weird that the desktop effects work and the video dosent
[22:43] <xauxau> povenho
[22:43] <benkay86> apollo8: Do you recall any errors popping up during installation?
[22:43] <Myke516> i find it hard to believe there is no graphic safemode in ubuntu. there has to be some workaround
[22:43] <shane8002> nabil: try to play the video with another media player just to be sure
[22:44] <Ingsoc> shane8002: is it a flash video? (jumping in late sorry) either way have you tried turning off hardware acceleration for video in the ccsm menu?
[22:44] <xauxau> em não entendi
[22:44] <nabil> shane8002, vlc and movie player both same
[22:44] <Homely_Girl> Blonde moment guys...sorry......wot's the file name to apt install java again plse? :)
[22:44] <Noturno99> trism: what can i do?
[22:44] <clausen> xauxau, oi
[22:44] <apollo8> yes thats what happend last time under default settings for the install. no errors. im in the advanced settings right now. i haven't changed anything, but i was wondering if i can just use the windows boot loader. ubuntu will be running along side win xp
[22:44] <sebsebseb> !java | Homely_Girl
[22:44] <trism> Noturno99: does the file /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gtk+-2.0.pc exist on your system?
[22:45] <Noturno99> i will check
[22:45] <Myke516> hmmmm
[22:45] <shane8002> nabil: start playing the video and check the system log see if it show any error codes
[22:45] <Myke516> can anyone help me?
[22:45] <Homely_Girl> ty sebsebseb & ubottu. ;)
[22:45] <sebsebseb> Homely_Girl: np
[22:45] <nabil> shane8002, ive been messing around with the multimedia systems selector, and the only way i get video is when i set the default video output plugin (X windows )
[22:45] <sebsebseb> !thanks | Homely_Girl
[22:45] <nabil> shane8002, ive been messing around with the multimedia systems selector, and the only way i get video is when i set the default video output plugin (X windows System No XV)
[22:46] <apatientdr> anyone know how to get line out audio working on  a macbook running 9.10?
[22:46] <Lungan_> Having som trouble with shared folders on ubuntu, I can see all the windows computer on the lan, but my friend on ubuntu, who runs the same version, can't see any computer, exept the folder "Windows network" who gives an error msg when tries to open "WORKGROUP"
[22:46] <Noturno99> trism: i founded here
[22:46] <Noturno99> this file: in usr/lib/pkgconfig/ but doesn't exist folder gtk
[22:46] <nabil> shane8002, but i want it to work with (xV) and the device is shown (v4l2)
[22:46] <Noturno99> this file is free in the pkgconfig
[22:46] <Myke516> Graphic safe mode in ubuntu... is it even possible?
[22:47] <trism> Noturno99: so the file isn't there?
[22:47] <benkay86> apollo8: If, at this point, you get nothing but a blinking cursor when you boot up (without the CD), then chances are your Windows bootloader is toast. You would need a Windows rescue or installation medium to restore it. If we are able to get GRUB (the Ubuntu bootloader) working, though, you will be able to boot windows nevertheless.
[22:47] <pweezy> Myke516: im new to ubuntu, but I saw a 'recovery mode' option with grub that let you boot into the shell as root, and loaded networking.
[22:47] <clausen> Myke516, maybe you could boot a livecd?
[22:47] <Noturno99> no, it is
[22:47] <MuffinPimp> Why does pulseaudio leak so much memory?
[22:47] <Kentrel> I don't have a menu.lst in /boot/grub
[22:47] <Kentrel> Where is it?
[22:48] <pweezy> Myke516: also you could just set your inittab to start at runlevel 3
[22:48] <Noturno99> trism: http://paste.ubuntu.com/367880/
[22:48] <clausen> muffinpimp: how do you know it leaks?
[22:48] <blakkheim> !grub2 > Kentrel
[22:48] <sebsebseb> Kentrel: no menu.lst in Grub 2
[22:48] <apollo8> what about a screen that says   grubrescue>
[22:49] <trism> Noturno99: does: pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0; print anything?
[22:49] <benkay86> apollo8: Are you able to get to such a screen?
[22:49] <Lungan_> Is there anywere I can see when people are copying files from my shared folders?
[22:49] <apatientdr> anyone have any ideas about audio?
[22:49] <Kentrel> thank you
[22:50] <MuffinPimp> clausen: no but I came back to my computer from 1-2 days and the 4 gigs of ram and the 6 gigs of swap is full
[22:50] <Noturno99> trism: show this
[22:50] <Noturno99> trism: http://paste.ubuntu.com/367881/
[22:50] <MuffinPimp> was*
[22:50] <apollo8> i had it at one point but i don't remember. is it possible to fix from ther?
[22:51] <clausen> MuffinPimp, omg!  that's crazy!  and it's all pulseaudio?
[22:51] <MuffinPimp> clausen: yes
[22:51] <LasBuntu> grr, wish I had not given away my google voice invite :/
[22:52] <trism> Noturno99: odd, try export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig; pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0;
[22:52] <benkay86> apollo8: It is (probably) possible to boot into windows from there, from whence you (probably) would be able to restore the Windows bootloader to the MBR. If you're able to boot from the USB image, there's a way to fix stuff from there too.
[22:52] <MuffinPimp> clausen: I ran htop sorted by mem usage and pulseaudio had about 8.5 gigs of mem usage so I killed it
[22:53] <Noturno99> trism: now, show this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/367884/
[22:53] <Joeseph> How can I start the default network manager applet?
[22:53] <clausen> MuffinPimp, that's pretty strong evidence of a leak!
[22:53] <MuffinPimp> Yeah
[22:53] <Bookman> After upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 I can no longer share printers between Ubuntu machines and I'm not sure why.  It used to work perfectly.
[22:54] <apollo8> ok. im going to try finshing the installationg without the ubuntu bootloader. and see if the windows bootloader will handle it or what the problem is. i'll keep track of exactly what happens.
[22:54] <trism> Noturno99: do you have build-essential installed?
[22:54] <Noturno99> yes
[22:54] <Noturno99> trism: yes
[22:54] <sebsebseb> Bookman: I remember someone else had  the same or similar issue after upgarding since 7.04 I think it was
[22:54] <MuffinPimp> clausen: is there any fix that you know of or alternative?
[22:55] <sebsebseb> Bookman: release notes might have something useful,  plus cups is for printers
[22:55] <pusher420> does the checksum change if the file being downloaded is paused and resumed several times?
[22:55] <sebsebseb> !notes |  Bookman
[22:55] <sebsebseb> !cups |  Bookman
[22:55] <MuffinPimp> !pulseaudio
[22:55] <benkay86> apollo8: If you're thinking of installing Ubuntu again but using the advanced options in the installer to NOT install grub, that probably won't work.
[22:55] <MuffinPimp> !ESD
[22:56] <MuffinPimp> I see
[22:56] <clausen> MuffinPimp, I'm afraid not... maybe you should file a bug report?
[22:56] <Kentrel> Why am I getting two linux images in grub?
[22:56] <trism> Noturno99: try installing libpthread-stubs0-dev and then see what pkg-config prints
[22:56] <Carci> My .xsession-errors file keeps wigging out on my netbook, and shooting up to the gigabytes of data range in size. Is there any way to turn off logging to that file? It keeps messing my computer up by filling my /home directory's partition.
[22:56] <Kentrel> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-17-generic
[22:56] <Kentrel> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic
[22:56] <pweezy> benkay86: uhm, no quite the opposite.  you are confusing lilo properties with grub properties.  as long as the paths are the same it should be fine.
[22:56] <Kentrel> I want to get rid of the .14
[22:56] <apollo8> it wont work? ok i'll try the default settings and let you know
[22:56] <apatientdr> I need some help with an audio problem
[22:56] <arand> Kentrel: -14 IS THE ONE THAT WAS INSTALLED INITIALLY
[22:56] <Noturno99> trism: ok!
[22:56] <arand> Kentrel: sorry caps
[22:56] <DasEi> Kentrel: dpends on how many are installed and how your grub is configured, can have a thirty
[22:56] <Noturno99> trism: i'll try. thanks for your help.
[22:57] <apatientdr> Im running 9.10 on a macbook and my line out doesnt work
[22:57] <Kentrel> Well I have no idea how to edit them
[22:57] <Kentrel> Since grub2 doesn't use menu.lst and I don't understand the new method
[22:57] <MuffinPimp> clausen: I googled about it and it showed tons of stuff on launchpad about memory leaks so I think they already know
[22:57] <benkay86> pweezy: I think the issue here is that somehow the boot sector got borked. Reinstalling Ubuntu without GRUB is not magically going to bring back the Windows bootloader. Not sure what any of this has to do with LILO.
[22:57] <Toink> when I set the root partition's type to ext2 in /etc/fstab, why do I end up with it mounted as ext3 after rebooting?   Karmic on eee pc 901
[22:57] <hghgd> yeah irssi told me this when I entered 'exec -o yes'. it was pretty cool
[22:57] <lavin> can any1 help me install hydra it says libssh2 wrong pointer i got libssh v0.11 file but theres no info on installing it
[22:58] <Noturno99> trism: this lib is installed in my system
[22:58] <arand> Kentrel: do a search for "linux" in synaptic, that should show all the kernel versions and allow removing the -14 version (kernel+2headers packages normally)
[22:58] <Bookman> sebsebseb, Thanks, but nothing there in those links that helps me out I'm afraid.
[22:58] <pusher420> does the checksum change if the file being downloaded has paused and resumed several times?
[22:58] <Kentrel> ok, thanks
[22:58] <clausen> MuffinPimp, that's depressing :(
[22:58] <pweezy> if its his boot sector then he did the opposite of what he should have done lol; but i thought he was just reinstalling because he borked his ubuntu installation; that should work.  im not certain he'd need a windows bootloader.
[22:59] <benkay86> pweezy: I think we're trying to dual-boot.
[22:59] <pweezy> ah
[22:59] <clausen> toink: if it's an ext3 file system, linux will ignore what you ask, and mount it as ext3 anyway
[22:59] <DasEi> Kentrel : also can tell grub how many kernels to hold, I'd prefer leat two
[22:59] <pweezy> it detected mine first time through, and i just started using it today.
[22:59] <DasEi> least
[22:59] <pweezy> i had dual boot right off the bat
[22:59] <pweezy> automagically
[22:59] <Kentrel> DasEi, why two?
[22:59] <benkay86> apollo8: Under the "advanced" options, where are you able to install the bootloader to? Is there an option that says "/dev/sda" or something similar?
[23:00] <iflema> Toink becuase it is most likely ext3 to start with and fstab is not the way to change this...
[23:00] <benkay86> pweezy: Indeed, it typically does work automatically.
[23:00] <DasEi> Kentrel : If a update cause harm or intrepid going wild, still have a bootable system
[23:00] <Toink> iflema, how can I change it then?
[23:00] <Kentrel> oh ok
[23:00] <DasEi> Kentrel : intrepid = initramfs
[23:01] <rascal999> is lubuntu replacing xubuntu?
[23:01] <pweezy> what is lubuntu?
[23:01] <Toink> an ubuntu for lusers, I suppose
[23:01] <lavin> can any1 help me install hydra it says libssh2 wrong pointer i got libssh v0.11 file but theres no info on installing it
[23:01] <sysdoc> Hey guys, I'm looking to reinstall 9.10 to a new drive and have my current /home partition copied into place on the new drive with the new ext4 file sys... Anyone have any suggestions or a howto on how to accomplish this?
[23:01] <trism> Noturno99: oh, it is in a different directory, try export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/share/pkgconfig; then check pkg-config again
[23:01] <DasEi> Kentrel: you can edit (as root) /etc/default/grub, then run sudo update grub to configure it, comments explainations are good in that file
[23:02] <apollo8> it just sasys bootloader and has a checked box that says install bootloader and then asks me where i want to install it /dev/sda (ata hitachi hts54501 (149.1 gb) or /dev/sda1 windows vista loader or /dev/sda 5
[23:02] <rascal999> !info lubuntu
[23:02] <cookta2012> hello is anyone there that can help me?
[23:02] <rascal999> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu
[23:02] <iflema> Toink is it totally necessary? sounds odd to me.. but tune2fs should get you there.. not sure about going backwards...
[23:02] <DasEi> !ask | cookta2012
[23:02] <Toink> iflema, I'm hoping it can improve performance a bit
[23:02] <lavin> can any1 help me install hydra it says libssh2 wrong pointer i got libssh v0.11 file but theres no info on installing it
[23:02] <benkay86> apollo8: In this case, I think you would want to install it to /dev/sda which should have been the default option anyway.
[23:02] <Toink> iflema, thanks for the tip
[23:03] <arand> DasEi: But grub2 has no Howmany="" option...
[23:03] <lavin> someone help me
[23:03] <clausen> sysdoc, I assume /home is on the / partition?  Then you could shrink your / partition, install ubuntu, then mount your old / partition?  you could deleted everything outside of /home from it...
[23:03] <DasEi> arand: or was it 40_custom ? checking, second
[23:03] <cookta2012> What all will i need to do to install Compiz and the compiz cube on my xubuntu?
[23:03] <Dantonic> !flac
[23:04] <benkay86> sysdoc: Obviously, make sure you have your stuff backed-up somewhere. You might try doing manual partitioning in the installer, and then using the target partition as / without formatting it. Someone else probably has more experience with this.
[23:04] <soreau> cookta2012: compiz is already installed
[23:04] <Toink> I suppose tune2fs can't be used on a live partition?
[23:04] <lavin> i not trollin i practiley married google on this hydra busness
[23:04] <soreau> ! compiz | cookta2012
[23:04] <soreau> cookta2012: If you have any trouble, come to #compiz and we can help you there
[23:04] <clausen> Toink, best not to!  you could use a livecd...
[23:04] <Toink> ouch
[23:05] <arand> DasEi: Yea, and referring people to editing of those scripts... I don't feel completely comfortable doing that... unless insited on..
[23:05] <sysdoc> clausen, /home part is on the old drive and it is ext3, would like to have the /home part copied to a new part that was ext4 on the new drive..
[23:05] <Toink> does it have to be that hard?
[23:05] <apollo8> yup. when i installed it last time it said complete then told me to reboot and said grub installing and the next screen came up and GNU GRUB version 1.97~beta4   under it i got 5 options 1.ubuntu, linux 2.6.31-14-generic 2.ubuntu, linux 2.6.31-14-generic(recovery mode) 3.memory test (memtest86+) 4.memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200) 5. windows vista (loader) (on /dev/sda1)
[23:05] <Noturno99> trism: i will try
[23:05] <alex__> а что тут обсуждают?
[23:05] <clausen> sysdoc, ah, I see
[23:05] <ikonia> !ru | alex__
[23:05] <clausen> sysdoc, and you want to preserve permissions, etc.
[23:05] <sysdoc> clausen, :)
[23:05] <hghgd> yeah irssi told me this when I entered 'exec -o yes'. it was pretty cool
[23:05] <pweezy> that looks....just like an exploit
[23:05] <apollo8> i chose the first option and it gives me a blank sceen with a blinking dash in the top left corner. this continues with no result.
[23:05] <cookta2012> sourau; i will
[23:05] <Toink> is there no (fstab) setting to force the root partition to mount without the journal?
[23:06] <jrib> hghgd: what are you doing?
[23:06] <sysdoc> clausen, yea want everything to be the same as in this install of 9.10, just want to move to the new drive with ext4
[23:06] <ViridianFire> ok so I cant get any sound out of my headphone jack and after like 3-4 months of requesting support now and then I am really starting to get fustrated
[23:06] <clausen> sysdoc, I believe tar preserves ownership?
[23:06] <ikonia> Toink: if you're using a journaled file system it has to use it
[23:06] <clausen> sysdoc, maybe cp has some options too?
[23:06] <cookta2012> now is there like a task manager for ubuntu like in windows that gives cpu usage and ram usage and all of that?
[23:07] <jrib> cookta2012: system -> administration -> system monitor
[23:07] <DasEi> arand: nope , can add in /etc/default/grub : GRUB_HOWMANY=N
[23:07] <DasEi> Kentrel: ^^
[23:07] <Noturno99> trism: man, could you explain what do you do??? :-)
[23:07] <benkay86> apollo8: Ah! So, actually, GRUB did get installed to the MBR. In that case, reinstallation is even less likely to be of help.
[23:07] <sysdoc> clausen, I was thinking that gparted at install had a option to copy a dir or partition to a new drive, but not sure if I needed to stay with the same fs or could create it as a new ext4 then copy
[23:07] <cookta2012> i do not have that menu
[23:07] <Toink> ikonia, but my other ext3 partition gets mounted as ext2 just fine when I configure it so in fstab
[23:07] <clausen> sysdoc, I just checked... tar works
[23:08] <Noturno99> trism: now it's ok!! thank you!
[23:08] <jrib> cookta2012: what ubuntu is this?
[23:08] <cookta2012> oh ok
[23:08] <ikonia> Toink: you're marking an ext3 partition as ext2 in fstab ?
[23:08] <apollo8> argghhhh. (i'm a pirate) what should i do then?
[23:08] <Toink> ikonia, exactly
[23:08] <benkay86> apollo8: If you reboot, can you get to that screen where GRUB gives you the various options?
[23:08] <trism> Noturno99: you're welcome, I don't understand why your pkg-config doesn't check those directories by default (it should), glad it is working now though
[23:08] <ikonia> Toink: let me guess one doesn't work
[23:08] <Ivashka_Iv> russians say me=)
[23:08] <ViridianFire> can anyone help me get sound out of my headphone jack? Its kinda important because I use it for my speakers
[23:08] <Toink> ikonia, it works for /dev/sdb1 but not for the root partition
[23:09] <clausen> sysdoc, I wouldn't know if gparted has such an option...
[23:09] <apollo8> i'm going to let this install
[23:09] <Noturno99> trism: i have installed glade
[23:09] <ikonia> Toink: what's the error with the root partition ?
[23:09] <clausen> sysdoc, parted used to have such an option, but they got rid of it
[23:09] <Toink> ikonia, there's no error, it just gets mounted as ext3
[23:09] <cookta2012> ok now can you set ubuntu to launch the sysmonitor on ctl+alt+del indtead of restarting?
[23:09] <sysdoc> clausen, yea I thought I had seen it from other installs
[23:09] <Toink> ikonia, mmm, or should I look in dmesg or somewhere?
[23:09] <Dantonic> Hello I'm having an issue ripping my CDs in flac format.  I am using sound juicer on Ubuntu 9.10.  I've just realized that the flac files are much bigger than their wav counterpart.  usually around 40MB per song.  What is going on?  I'm new to Flac btw.
[23:09]  * iflema :|
[23:09] <apollo8> i'm going to let this load brb. i'll notify when its done
[23:09] <ikonia> Toink: if you do a mount does the other partition show up as ext2 or 3 ?
[23:09] <benkay86> apollo8: OK. There's always a chance it will magically work this time ;-)
[23:09] <jrib> cookta2012: if you want, but there's not much reason to
[23:10] <clausen> sysdoc, (actually, I wrote the option!)
[23:10] <chris89> hi
[23:10] <sysdoc> clausen, well put it back...:)
[23:10] <clausen> sysdoc, the ext2 code in parted wasn't really being maintained, so the maintainers decided to remove it (fair enough)
[23:10] <benkay86> chris89: Hi. Go ahead and ask your question.
[23:10] <clausen> sysdoc, I haven't touched parted in 5 years!
[23:10] <cookta2012> jrib: how would i do that?
[23:10] <clausen> sysdoc, can't say I'm missing it that much, hehe
[23:10] <sysdoc> clausen, ok lol!!
[23:11] <clausen> sysdoc, (I'm an economist now!)
[23:11] <Toink> ikonia, duh, when I mount the other ext3 partition as ext2, it shows up as ext2
[23:11] <jrib> cookta2012: you could use xbindkeys for example.  Or if you use compiz, use ccsm.  But like I said, you shouldn't really have a need for this.  This isn't windows
[23:11] <Toink> ikonia, ext3 is ext2 + journal you know
[23:11] <chris89> i don`t have any questions:)
[23:11] <ikonia> Toink: I'm aware of what it is, but I wouldn't expect it to work
[23:11] <Toink> ikonia, guess what, it does
[23:11] <benkay86> chris89: Oh, sorry. That's probably for the best, since I don't have any answers anyway.
[23:12] <ikonia> Toink: it doens't or you would't be asking why one partition isn't mounting as ext2
[23:12] <cookta2012> jrib: i understand i just like some of the shortcuts windows gives
[23:12] <jrib> cookta2012: ok
[23:13] <shatrix> sky eye simulator errors
[23:13] <ikonia> Toink: would you try to boot from a livecd and mount the no-longer in use root partition as ext2 ?
[23:13] <shatrix> skyeye_read_config: config file skyeye.conf have errors!
[23:13] <shatrix> any one know about this error
[23:13] <shatrix> please!!!!
[23:13] <ikonia> Toink: I'm curious to if its something specific to the partition because it's root and already mounted ro for the initial boot, or something to do with the partition as a file system device - and nothing to do with it beign root
[23:13] <Noturno99> trism: thanks so much, man!! for your help
[23:14] <apatientdr> anyone know mac hardware? trying to get my line out to work.
[23:15] <Toink> ikonia, yes, I suppose it may have something to do with that.  I'm not so eager to try livecd booting right now though, especially considering there's no cd drive here :)
[23:15] <ikonia> Toink: yes, I understand that could be quite limiting
[23:15] <ikonia> Toink: I suspect it's because it's already mounted ro for the initial boot, then just does a remount rw post boot
[23:16] <Dantonic> !grip
[23:16] <Toink> ikonia, is there a syntax for mount which would say "remount it with the same partition but in rw mode"?
[23:17] <ikonia> Toink: mount -o remount rw
[23:17] <Toink> oh
[23:17] <Toink> sounds reasonable then
[23:17] <arand> DasEi: From what I've read, you need to manually hack both the scripts and the grub-mkconfig if you want the GRUB_HOWMANY functionality...
[23:17] <cookta2012> have you ever heard of like applications crashing and never opening again?
[23:18] <apollo8> the only thing i changed from the last time i installed was the partitioning options. instead of doing it manually is jus used the option to install it along side windows and choose it from the start menu. the install is almost complete
[23:19] <_pr0t0type_> Hey guys, where is the application binary directory?
[23:19] <apollo8> benkay you there?
[23:19] <_pr0t0type_> for instance, for gnome-terminal, where can I find the binary?
[23:20] <ViridianFire> why doesnt my headphone jack have a volume bar in the alsamixer?
[23:20] <clausen> _pr0t0type_, binaries are usually in /bin or /usr/bin
[23:20] <apollo8> Benkay86 you there?
[23:20] <clausen> _pr0t0type_, you can find gnome-terminal's binary in a few ways
[23:21] <_pr0t0type_> I will check the /usr/bin
[23:21] <cookta2012> is there a way to edit my application menu?
[23:21] <clausen> _ruben, one is to search with apt, to find out what the package is
[23:21] <benkay86> apollo8: Sorry, here I am.
[23:21] <clausen> _pr0t0type_, that was for you ^
[23:21] <clausen> _pr0t0type_, eg: apt-cache search gnome terminal
[23:21] <jpds> clausen: System → Prefs → Main Menu.
[23:21] <clausen> _pr0t0type_, once you know the package name
[23:21] <arand> cookta2012: right click on "applications"> edit menu
[23:21] <benkay86> apollo8: So, did it work this time?
[23:21] <_pr0t0type_> excellent!
[23:21] <_pr0t0type_> I'll test it out
[23:22] <Carci> Does anyone know the limit on pastebin file lengths?
[23:22] <clausen> _pr0t0type_, you can then list the files (dpkg -L gnome-terminal | grep bin)
[23:22] <apollo8> ok i completed the installation and it says 'please remove the, close the tray (if any)    nad pres enter to continue'  should i remove the flash drive?
[23:22] <z0d14rk> hey
[23:22] <clausen> _pr0t0type_, jpds' suggestion also looks good...
[23:22] <benkay86> apollo8: Yes, you should remove the flash drive.
[23:22] <apollo8> not sure if that will make a difference. last time i removed the flash drive and pressed enter
[23:22] <apollo8> ok
[23:22] <benkay86> apollo8: Really shouldn't make the least bit of difference, to be honest.
[23:22] <Diverdude> why do i have to write ./executable_filename instead of just executeble_filename when I am currently in that folder containing the executeble already?
[23:22] <Carci> apollo8 If you don't, Ubuntu will try to install -again-
[23:22] <z0d14rk> What do you guys think would be better for a netbook xfce or gnome?
[23:23] <Carci> At least in my experience.
[23:23] <apollo8> ok the i have a blinking screen...
[23:23] <cookta2012> arand: i dont have that option
[23:23] <apollo8> the blinking dash top right hand corner
[23:23] <elmo198> is it possible to read just one of the mirroed hdd from a LVM2 setup??
[23:23] <darkthing> alguien controla de IPTABLES
[23:23] <darkthing> thanks
[23:23] <apollo8> i'm going to let it sit for a while to see if anything happens but this is what happened last time
[23:23] <sysdoc> clausen, so what would you suggest the best way to go would be? cp or tar up the /home dir and extract after the new install in done or?
[23:23] <benkay86> apollo8: Did you see anything that said "GRUB" or gave you a list of boot options at any point?
[23:23] <_pr0t0type_> I see
[23:23] <Carci> Sounds like your boot device listing neds to be changed. >.>
[23:24] <Toink> ikonia, I guess I'll try to boot with rootfstype=ext2 and see what happens.   I wonder it will be possible to go back to ext3 if I see no benefit in ext :)
[23:24] <Diverdude> i have moved myscript.sh to / usr/local/bin in order to make it globally available...But when i write the scriptname in another folder it gives me command not found. Should I put it in another place?
[23:24] <Toink> *in ext2
[23:24] <_pr0t0type_> clausen: So it turns out it's in the /usr/bin, thanks a lot
[23:24] <_pr0t0type_> I did a quick find /usr/bin -name "gnome-terminal"
[23:24] <_pr0t0type_> and found it
[23:24] <clausen> sysdoc, I'd probably use tar:  (cd /home; tar c) | (cd /newroot; tar x)
[23:24] <apollo8> very quickly it said grub loading i think then it gave the 5 options like before with recovery mode and the memory tests of the windows loader
[23:24] <ikonia> Toink: I don't think that will work, but it will be interesting to see if it does
[23:24] <clausen> _pr0t0type_, :)
[23:25] <DasEi> elmo: it is, but I don't know the syntax any more, there is a dummy/ignore  option in raidsetup, but will have to digg out yourself, mdmraid it was, I think
[23:25] <benkay86> apollo8: Please reboot and then, when you see that screen briefly, press escape so that it doesn't try to boot the default option.
[23:25] <cookta2012> Is there a way to edit the Applications menu?
[23:25] <_pr0t0type_> I've been doing a lot of configuration recently.  Why is it that  most configurations are in /etc/init.d/?  and what does init.d stand for?  Anyone, please help ;D
[23:25] <apollo8> ok which option should i choose i think there is an advanced menu too
[23:26] <benkay86> apollo8: For starters, try pressing the "c" to get a GRUB command prompt.
[23:26] <fretster> anyone know of a really good pdf modifying program like acrobat for linux?
[23:26] <acicula> _pr0t0type_: init.d contains  service start and stop scripts
[23:26] <Zer> pr0t0type: It's pretty common to have directories of settings files ending in .d
[23:26] <apollo8> got it
[23:26] <Zer> init would stand for initialization I imagine
[23:26] <_pr0t0type_> ah
[23:26] <benkay86> apollo8: Then, enter "search /boot/memtest86+.bin" to figure out where GRUB thinks your Ubuntu installation is.
[23:26] <_pr0t0type_> initialization.d
[23:27] <benkay86> apollo8: Also, try "search /boot.ini" which may reveal the location of your Windows installation.
[23:27] <_pr0t0type_> oh I see
[23:27] <_pr0t0type_> so D would probabaly daemon or something
[23:27] <acicula> _pr0t0type_: it doesnt actually contain configuration data, other then defaults
[23:27] <arand> cookta2012: do you not get this: http://imagebin.org/83077
[23:27] <_pr0t0type_> thanks
[23:28] <rat_> I am currently in Ubuntu 8.10 should I upgrade to 9.10?
[23:28] <cookta2012> arand: no one sec.
[23:29] <apollo8> unspecified search type on both
[23:29] <AcEr> Tired of niggers?
[23:29] <AcEr> Sick of their monkeyshines?
[23:29] <rat_> I am currently in Ubuntu 8.10 should I upgrade to 9.10?
[23:29] <benkay86> apollo8: Hold on a sec...
[23:30] <rat_> I am just curious if there is any real advantage of upgrading to 9.10 ? like speed or anything
[23:30] <arand> rat_: if you want to, support for 8.10 runs out around may I think..
[23:30] <acicula> rat_: well 8.10 is still supported for a few months, after that its definitly wise to upgrade yeah
[23:30] <_pr0t0type_> 9.10 is nifty
[23:30] <rat_> Okay I will upgrade then just hopefully its not like a windows vista upgrade lol slowing it down I mean
[23:31] <tertitten> is there a safe way to replace notify-osd with notification-daemon ?
[23:31] <arand> rat_: note that you will need to do step-upgrades, unless reinstalling, and that 10.04 is released in april...
[23:31] <jguzikowski> hey how do i access whats on my windows partition from in xubuntu
[23:31] <ekim> I am running 9.04 and will wait for version 10 to come out before I upgrade.
[23:31] <rahduke> can someone help me out with chmod, i dont think i understand it correctly
[23:32] <clausen> rahduke, of course :)
[23:32] <ikonia> rahduke: just ask the question
[23:32] <DasEi> jguzikowski: mount it
[23:32] <acicula> tertitten: why would it be unsafe?
[23:32] <rat_> arand, I understand can't go straight to 9.10, so going to go to 9.04 then wait till april for 10.04
[23:32] <jguzikowski> DasEi: are there any default apps that i can mount with on xubuntu?
[23:32] <DasEi> jguzikowsk: sudo fdisk -l shows your partitons, which is win ?
[23:32] <tertitten> acicula, last time I did it I built it from source and it ended up giving index out of bounds errors when using banshee. ..
[23:33] <tertitten> that is why
[23:33] <rahduke> well its a general question, for example i have a link on my desktop to a folder full of roms its got a lil lock icon on it. I drop into terminal and type sudo chmod 775 -R "link to roms" and it
[23:33] <jguzikowski> DasEi: sda2
[23:33] <DasEi> jguzikowsk: depends on your system-config, try to find it under places
[23:33] <acicula> doesnt xubuntu have a clickable interface for accessing disks like normal ubuntu
[23:33] <rahduke> doesnt get rid of the lock
[23:33] <ikonia> rahduke: you chmod the files - not the link
[23:33] <hrdcore0x1a4> hello all
[23:33] <acicula> tertitten: what was giving the index out of bound exception?
[23:33] <DasEi> jguzikowski: sudo mkdir /media/sda2
[23:33] <rahduke> ikonia: how can i chmod a folder and all the files within?
[23:34] <tertitten> acicula, the notifications whenever banshee where starting play of a new song
[23:34] <ikonia> rahduke: chmod -R 775 /path/to/directory
[23:34] <lacita> I accidently changed a partition table on the wrong drive, and would like to try & recover the information on that drive prior to the format. Any ideas?
[23:34] <DasEi> jguzikowski: mount                              <<<check sda2 isn't already mounted somewhere
[23:34] <apollo8> Benkay86  take your  time i'll brb in about 2 min. mac 'n' cheese is done :)
[23:34] <ardchoille> rahduke: That's what the -R option is for (recursive)
[23:34] <clausen> lacita, yeah, there are programs for that
[23:34] <DasEi> jguzikowski: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2  /media/sda2
[23:34] <hrdcore0x1a4> Question/Help:  I have the new Arrandale intel integrated graphics controller, there doesn't seem to be any drivers for this model.  Any suggestions?
[23:34] <rahduke> ikonia: so it would be something like " sudo chmod 755 -R /home/rahduke/desktop/"Link to roms"
[23:35] <lacita> clausen: any suggestions?
[23:35] <clausen> lacita, I think there are hard disk recovery live cds... let me check
[23:35] <ikonia> rahduke: no
[23:35] <ikonia> rahduke: you don't chmod the link - you chmod the actual files
[23:35] <jguzikowski> DasEi: nothing's happening with those sudo commands
[23:35] <jguzikowski> DasEi: i'll just add the mout app from repos
[23:36] <jguzikowski> thanks though :)
[23:36] <clausen> lacita, so there's http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
[23:36] <hrdcore0x1a4> Does anyone have expirence with Intel's Arrandale graphics controller?
[23:36] <rahduke> ikonia: ok so inside my roms folder i have 2 folders that are locked for whatever reason, to chmod the roms folder and everything within it, what do i type?
[23:36] <DasEi> jguzikowski: nah, no out means no error..
[23:36] <clausen> lacita, although, I can't remember the name of the best program for doing this kind of recovery
[23:36] <acicula> tertitten: seems the message passing between the two messes things up
[23:36] <acicula> tertitten: doesnt banshee come with ubuntu and work?
[23:36] <clausen> lacita, parted / gparted has some features to do it, but it's not the best
[23:36] <jguzikowski> new question though..i cant install themes in xubuntu..they wont show up no matter what i do
[23:36] <ikonia> rahduke: chmod -R 775 /path/to/the/folder
[23:36] <jguzikowski> i put them in /.themes nd /usr/share/themes
[23:36] <DasEi> jguzikowski: sudo chown -R $USER  /media/sda2
[23:36] <acicula> hrdcore0x1a4: its a gma4500
[23:36] <DasEi> jguzikowski: cd /media/sda2
[23:37] <DasEi> jguzikowski: ls
[23:37] <rahduke> ikonia:  sudo chmod -755 -R /home/Desktop/roms?
[23:37] <acicula> hrdcore0x1a4: so quite a few people have used it or are using it, try asking a specific question?
[23:37] <lacita> clausen: really looking for the best. From my experience, the more you dither with inferior products, the more likely you are not to retreive your information.\
[23:37] <tertitten> acicula, yes it does, i tought it possibly was something with the ubuntu package configure options so uninstalled it and installed from source, it didnt help
[23:37] <ikonia> rahduke: if that's where the roms are - sure
[23:37] <clausen> lacita, I wrote the parted one, btw, hehe
[23:37] <jguzikowski> nothing shows up on ls, das
[23:37] <rahduke> ikonia: "chmod: invalid option -- '7'"?
[23:37] <DasEi> jguzikowski: have access now ?
[23:38] <clausen> lacita, I wrote the command-line one... not sure how good the graphical one is
[23:38] <ikonia> rahduke: sorry chmod -R 775
[23:38] <ikonia> rahduke: read what I put
[23:38] <clausen> lacita, but there are other ones that I think work very well
[23:38] <clausen> lacita, let me check
[23:38] <acicula> tertitten: nah package configure options typically affect building it, you get an index out of bound exception so probably the messages send and received across dbus arent aligning up? anyway i read on the wiki that -notification was deprecated for -osd
[23:38] <Carci> Help! "err:wave:wodPlayer_WriteMaxFrags Error in writing wavehdr. Reason: Resource temporarily unavailable"  has been written MILLIONS of times to my .xsessions-errors file.
[23:38] <apollo8> im back
[23:38] <jguzikowski> DasEi: i managed to mount it but still doesnt show up in filemanager
[23:38] <rahduke> ikonia: same error
[23:38] <ikonia> rahduke: show me the command you're using
[23:38] <lacita> clausen: you wrote parted? :0 Thank you, my good man, I just learnt how to use it, and love parted.
[23:39] <rahduke> ikonia: chmod -775 -R /home/rahduke/Desktop/roms
[23:39] <ikonia> rahduke: why are you not reading what I'm putting
[23:39] <DasEi> jguzikowski: /media/sda2
[23:39] <clausen> lacita, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TestDisk might be good?
[23:39] <rahduke> lol i am
[23:39] <ikonia> rahduke: where in my 2 examples did I say -755
[23:39] <clausen> lacita, thanks :)  I haven't touched it in 5 years though
[23:39] <jguzikowski> DasEi: OHH okay, i was looking in the wrong spot..for some reason it hought it was in 'root'
[23:39] <ikonia> rahduke: I said "chmod -R 755 /path/to_roms"
[23:39] <rahduke> ikonia: lol!
[23:39] <DasEi> jguzikowski: for permanent, add it to fstab
[23:39] <rahduke> sorry
[23:39] <clausen> lacita, if you like parted, you can use it's "rescue" command...
[23:39] <ikonia> rahduke: not a problem
[23:40] <rahduke> ikonia: whats the dif between 755 and 775?
[23:40] <jguzikowski> d'oh, im an idiot hahah..okay thats solved..any idea on the themes?
[23:40] <ikonia> rahduke: be careful though, if you don't pay attention to stuff like that you can really mess your system up
[23:40] <ikonia> rahduke: 775 is more open
[23:40] <clausen> lacita, it's not too bad, but it's more designed for advanced users...
[23:40] <DasEi> jguzikowski: sure, basics, want it permanent ?
[23:40] <osmosis_> what is the purpose of  /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key ?
[23:40] <jguzikowski> DasEi: yeah
[23:41] <chris__> since i upgraded to 9.10, a bunch of my Firefox login/search boxes have gone haywire - 2-3x as wide as they should be. any ideas?
[23:41] <mado> howdy folks -> i got this error message three times when i was logging in on ubuntu 9.10 ... ... -> Das Panel ist beim Laden von »OAFIID:GNOME_TSClientApplet« auf ein Problem gestoßen. <- ... it means something like "The panel found a problem while loading »OAFIID:GNOME_TSClientApplet«" ... ... and then the question -> Do you want to delete the applet out from your configuration?
[23:41] <DasEi> jguzikowski: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[23:41] <benkay86> apollo8: Welcome back.
[23:41] <DasEi> jguzikowski: scroll down, add a line :
[23:41] <clausen> lacita, according to the wiki page, "TestDisk" is available on all the popular rescue CDs (such as parted magic, gparted live cd, system rescue cd, etc.)
[23:41] <clausen> lacita, so, I'd probably try that one out!
[23:41] <DasEi> jguzikowski: /dev/sda2   /media/sda2   ntfs   user,auto,rw,exec   0  0
[23:42] <benkay86> apollo8: Try doing this from the GRUB command line.
[23:42] <benkay86> apollo8: set root=(hd0,0)
[23:42] <DasEi> jguzikowski: save the fstab, close gedit, that's it
[23:42] <benkay86> apollo8 chainloader +1
[23:42] <benkay86> Then, try pressing "b" to boot. In principle, this will get you into Windows.
[23:42] <Toink> how do I schedule a check of the root fs on next reboot?
[23:43] <lacita> clausen: will do. Thank you kind sir.
[23:43] <DasEi> Toink: see man tunefs
[23:43] <jguzikowski> DasEi: i'm in xubuntu doe s that matter?
[23:43] <jguzikowski> dont think i have gedit
[23:43] <clausen> lacita, no problem.  gotta go... bye! :)
[23:43] <DasEi> jguzikowski: nope, same
[23:43] <jguzikowski> okay there we go
[23:43] <jguzikowski> thanks :)
[23:43] <jguzikowski> i got to eat quick, brb thanks for the help though :) i appreciate it
[23:44] <mado> howdy folks -> i got this error message three times when i was logging in on ubuntu 9.10 ... ... -> Das Panel ist beim Laden von »OAFIID:GNOME_TSClientApplet« auf ein Problem gestoßen. <- ... it means something like "The panel found a problem while loading »OAFIID:GNOME_TSClientApplet«" ... ... and then the question -> Do you want to delete the applet out from your configuration? ... ... what should i do?
[23:44] <DasEi> jguzikowski: gksudo kate or whatever or sudo apt-get install gedit
[23:44] <acicula> osmosis_: probably a match for ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
[23:44] <lacita> clausen: bye
[23:45] <benkay86> apollo8: Any luck with that?
[23:45] <mkas12> hi
[23:45] <tertitten> acicula, I got it working now, I simply replaced notify-osd with the help of this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8765440
[23:46] <acicula> tertitten: cool :)
[23:46] <osmosis_> acicula, what is the .pem for?
[23:47] <acicula> osmosis_: its the public portion of the private key
[23:47] <osmosis_> acicula, what is snakeoil though?
[23:47] <apollo> sorry benkay86 i d/c
[23:48] <cookta2012> this is what i get http://imagebin.org/83080
[23:48] <apollo> are you there/
[23:48] <apollo> ?
[23:48] <benkay86> apollo8: Ah. I was just lamenting the fact that I knew GRUB much better than GRUB2.
[23:48] <benkay86> I'm not entirely sure how to use the search command properly (try typing "help search").
[23:48] <benkay86> However, you might at least try the following to command to get yourself into Windows:
[23:49] <benkay86> root=(hd0,0)
[23:49] <benkay86> chainloader +1
[23:49] <arand> benkay86: mind the "set" root... there
[23:49] <Santisnight> How do i get certain programs to start upon start up, on their own?
[23:49] <benkay86> arand: Thank you, that should be "set root=(hd0,0)"
[23:50] <apollo> is there a space after chainloader?
[23:50] <trism> benkay86: partitions start with 1 in grub2
[23:50] <acicula> osmosis_: its a dummy ssl cert called snakeoil
[23:50] <arand> benkay86: and (hd0,1)
[23:50] <benkay86> Arg, why must they change everything! Indeed, it would be (hd0,1) since devices still inexplicably count up from 0.
[23:51] <trism> yeah, seems odd to me too
[23:51] <pfifo> how do I get the POSIX programmers man pages for section 2 and 3? (so I can do 'man select' or 'man fork')
[23:51] <benkay86> In fact, I think in GRUB2 you could do it all in one command: chainloader (hd0,1)+1
[23:51] <apollo> am i in grub 2...? rofl sorry i know nothing about linux
[23:51] <cookta2012> arand: this is what i get http://imagebin.org/83080
[23:51] <rahduke> i accidentally change one of my mame keyboard keys that is really important, now i cant get into the mame configuration. does anyone know where the default sdlmame keyboard config file is?"
[23:51] <acicula> oh what is snakeoil, well , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil
[23:51] <benkay86> trism, arand: You don't happen to know of a place where the GRUB2 commands are, you know, documented or something?
[23:52] <arand> benkay86: actually it co-relates well with the sda# notation so in that sense it's ok, still pretty weird to have two diff counters in one designation...
[23:52] <pfifo> ohh wow, looks like that one flew over some heads
[23:52] <benkay86> apollo8: Indeed, you are using GRUB2. Try the following command to get into Windows:
[23:52] <benkay86> chainloader (hd0,1)+1
[23:53] <arand> benkay86: Thereäs always ubottus !grub2, and the official grub wiki...
[23:53] <apollo> nothing happened
[23:53] <apollo> no error or anything
[23:53] <trism> benkay86: http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList has the list of commands, but it is unfortunately still incomplete
[23:53] <benkay86> Apollo: Try pressing "b" on the keyboard as well.
[23:54] <mado> howdy folks -> i got this error message three times when i was logging in on ubuntu 9.10 ... ... -> Das Panel ist beim Laden von »OAFIID:GNOME_TSClientApplet« auf ein Problem gestoßen. <- ... it means something like "The panel found a problem while loading »OAFIID:GNOME_TSClientApplet«" ... ... and then the question -> Do you want to delete the applet out from your configuration? ... ... what should i do?
[23:54] <apollo> b is an unknown command
[23:54] <benkay86> trism, arand: The CommandList on the wiki lists all the commands, but has documentation for none of them.
[23:54] <chris89> bye
[23:54] <Santisnight> How do i get certain programs to start upon start up, on their own? ubuntu 9.10
[23:54] <arand> cookta2012: Ah, using xubuntu, then I'm afraid I don't know.
[23:54] <ZykoticK9> rahduke, not sure about sdlmame, but might want to check out ~/.xmame/xmamerc <- no keyboard mapping by the looks of it though
[23:54] <trism> benkay86: that was what I meant by incomplete
[23:55] <benkay86> trism, arand: Does either of you know what sequence of commands might induce GRUB2 to chainload? I'm faily certain apollo8's Windows partition is on /dev/sda1.
[23:55] <rahduke> ZykoticK9: yea i cant find it anywhere, i've found joystick config files for specific games but not the master config file
[23:55] <acicula> Santisnight: after logging in?
[23:55] <Santisnight> acicula, yes
[23:55] <acicula> Santisnight: preferences->startup applications
[23:56] <ZykoticK9> rahduke, i've used mame for a long time, and I've always used the TAB key to change keyboard buttons -- best of luck man
[23:56] <Santisnight> acicula, ah, ok
[23:56] <apollo> yay for crowded chatrooms... hah
[23:56] <arand> benkay86: I do know that my Vista-chainlod looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m7ffc65cd
[23:56] <acicula> apollo: its fairly quiet tbh :)
[23:56] <rahduke> ZykoticK9: i changed the tab key to config with my gamepad, but it ended it up setting it to none... then i accidently closed mame
[23:56] <rahduke> and now i cant get back to the tab menu
[23:56] <apollo> i'd hate to be here during happy hour...
[23:57] <benkay86> apollo8: It's always happy hour here.
[23:57] <arand> benkay86: so maybe the insmod ntfs is missing?
[23:57] <tomatoes7> noob question: how do i find out how much free space i have on my ext4 partition?
[23:57] <benkay86> arand: My thoughts exactly.
[23:57] <acicula> tomatoes7: df -h
[23:57] <apollo> happy hour? i'm starting to get pissed actually.... hah
[23:58] <benkay86> arand: Do you happen to know the syntax required to get "search" to look for a file like GRUB's find?
[23:58] <Santisnight> Youtube Videos tend to lag behind the audio, and its gotten a bit annoying, how can this be fixed? Google Chromium
[23:58] <benkay86> apollo8: Sorry, you're not the only one who's a bit annoyed that Ubuntu decided to switch to a bootloader with poor documentation.
[23:58] <acicula> tomatoes7: nautilus will also show the free space if you select your partition
[23:59] <ZykoticK9> Santisnight, tried youtube with html5?  www.youtube.com/html5 to turn feature on/off
[23:59] <benkay86> apollo8: From the top, please try these three commands. After entering the third, you should end up booting windows.
[23:59] <Santisnight> ZykoticK9,  no but i will.
[23:59] <benkay86> insmod ntfs
[23:59] <benkay86> set root=(hd0,1)
[23:59] <arand> benkay86: This pretty much says it all (NOT!):http://grub.enbug.org/search


[14:44] <hazmat> anybody around..
[14:44] <hazmat> i'd liike some vetting of my approach for deploy-to
[14:44] <hazmat> in core
[15:41] <fwereade_> hazmat, heyhey
[15:42] <fwereade_> hazmat, didn't know you were planning to grab that, but I'm delighted if you are :)
[15:47] <hazmat> fwereade_, twas assigned to me friday, and i did say i'd take it up.. so yeah.. diving in.
[15:47] <hazmat> fwereade_, do you have a minute for a g+?
[15:47]  * hazmat preps a diff
[15:47] <fwereade_> hazmat, sure
[15:47] <hazmat> fwereade_, here's a diff of the approach.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686584/
[15:49] <hazmat> fwereade_, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1a13f8d6e06fde8d8ce9f9f4a1219b62f75ee409?authuser=0&hl=en
[22:06] <thumper> oh ffs
[22:06] <thumper> trunk tests failing for me
[22:07] <thumper> gah, in two places...
[23:34] <thumper> hi davecheney
[23:34] <thumper> davecheney: how are you doing?
[23:34] <thumper> davecheney: as usual, I have questions :)
[23:41] <davecheney> thumper: and you believe I have answers ?
[23:41] <thumper> davecheney: for some at least :)
[23:41] <davecheney> this is becoming increasingly untrue
[23:41] <thumper> davecheney: firstly...
[23:41] <thumper> davecheney: can I get you to pull trunk,
[23:41] <davecheney> science says that you cannot be just an observer in a system, you are also a participant
[23:41] <thumper> davecheney: and cd into the bzr package and run the tests
[23:41] <davecheney> thumper: sure
[23:41] <davecheney> two secs
[23:41] <thumper> davecheney: I'm guessing it will fail
[23:42] <davecheney> yeah, i saw that proposal
[23:42] <davecheney> well, read the title
[23:43] <davecheney> ... testing
[23:43] <thumper> if it fails, then go `bzr merge lp:~thumper/juju-core/fix-bzr-test` and rerun the test
[23:44] <davecheney> getting regex match
[23:45] <davecheney> this whole multiple series thing is getting me down
[23:45] <davecheney> either we all use one series
[23:45] <davecheney> or we need build bots on every series
[23:45] <thumper> davecheney: so you're tests pass/
[23:45] <thumper> ?
[23:45] <davecheney> they do not pass
[23:45] <davecheney> match == fail
[23:45] <thumper> ah..
[23:46] <davecheney> bzr_test.go:69: c.Assert(string(output), Matches, "(?s).*revision-id: "+revid+"\n.*message:\n.*my log message\n.*added:\n.*myfile .*")
[23:46] <davecheney> ... value string = "" +
[23:46] <thumper> ok, can you merge my branch and rerun
[23:46] <thumper> I'm happy to merge a test failure like this with one approval :)
[23:46] <thumper> s/test failure/test failure fix/
[23:48] <davecheney> thumper: tests pass
[23:48] <davecheney> LGTM, please submit
[23:48] <thumper>  https://codereview.appspot.com/8500043/
[23:48] <thumper> wanna mark that
[23:48] <thumper> and I'll submit
[23:49] <davecheney> done
[23:49] <thumper> submitting
[23:50] <thumper> davecheney: worker/uniter/context.go around line 142
[23:50] <thumper> davecheney: it seems to me that we are closing the outWriter pipe before waiting for the process to finish
[23:50] <thumper> davecheney: this looks suspicious to me
[23:51] <thumper> davecheney: am I missing something, or does it look weird to you too?
[23:51] <thumper> my first assumption is that I'm missing something
[23:51] <davecheney> thumper: that is the subject of literally months of arguing
[23:51] <thumper> ah... wat?
[23:51] <davecheney> beforewarned that digging in there involves interfacing deeply with roger and willam
[23:52] <davecheney> thumper: are you fixing a test failure bug ?
[23:52] <thumper> what was the arguing?
[23:52] <davecheney> that one comes up over and over again
[23:52] <davecheney> thumper: about the correct way to fix it
[23:52] <thumper> davecheney: no, I was looking around the serialisation of hook execution on a machine
[23:53] <thumper> so reading the uniter code
[23:53]  * davecheney finds the bug
[23:53] <davecheney> (s)
[23:53] <thumper> I'm wonering why if this was after a long time of arguing, why there is no comment there
[23:55] <davecheney> because most of our arguments end in a stalemate
[23:56]  * thumper cracks open a can of worms
[23:56] <thumper> davecheney: do you know the area of code where multiple hooks can be executed at one time?
[23:56] <thumper> it seems to be related to subordinates
[23:58] <davecheney> and this causes deadlocks on the apt cache etc ?
[23:58] <davecheney> isn't this william's 'serialized hook execution'