[21:36] <DARUDE> alright I fixed my wireless card
[21:36] <DARUDE> woopee
[21:36] <diego__> WrathZA: what happened with X ?
[21:37] <Cojage> question, if i have ubuntu on an ext4 partition and windows on ntfs as dualboot, could a infected file i aquired in ubuntu find a way to the windows ntsf partition?
[21:37] <DARUDE> Now does anyone know an alternative for Flash Player on ubuntu? because I am trying to watch videos in fullscreen but lags horribly
[21:37] <WrathZA> freezes after 10-30 seconds
[21:37] <Cojage> html5
[21:37] <jrib> DARUDE: what arch?
[21:37] <DARUDE> exampleyoutube
[21:37] <diego__> Cojage: you can mount and write ntfs from linux (ntfs-3g)
[21:37] <DARUDE> youtube*
[21:37] <Cojage> yeah i know
[21:37] <Cojage> i dod that
[21:37] <DARUDE> jrib, what's that
[21:37] <tensorpudding> there are open-source flash players which are heavily feature-lagged
[21:37] <Penguinista> diego__: If I locked the screen, anyone can click switch user button and it takes him/her to login screen, where there is option buttion which has reboot/shutdown. I just want it to removed. As, yesterday, I was downloading a torrent, and I did locked it up and my small brother, who also uses this desktop PC, switched and after completing his work, he just shutdown the system. {I know I should have informed them not to shutdown}, but, I guess, I can
[21:37] <jrib> DARUDE: 32bit or 64bit?
[21:37] <Cojage> but then ill still need a av on windows right
[21:37] <DARUDE> amd 64bt
[21:37] <DARUDE> bit
[21:37] <Cojage> i mean
[21:38] <Cojage> if i download a virus in ubuntu,
[21:38] <Cojage> could it affect my windows install?
[21:38] <jrib> DARUDE: if you're using npviewer try using instead the native 64bit plugin from adobe they released a few days ago
[21:38] <manlymatt83> OK, thanks
[21:38] <tensorpudding> or you can just wait until everyone uses <video> for playing videos
[21:38] <jrib> !who | DARUDE
[21:38] <WrathZA> seems to be related to i915 process, which I think is the VGA driver for my onboard graphics
[21:38] <DARUDE> jrib, to be honest I don't know what I am using
[21:38] <Somelauw> Is there anyting you use against virii, spyware and whatever?
[21:38] <Sgeo> What happens if someone is seriously too dumb to get the IRC-captcha right?
[21:38] <diego__> Penguinista: mmm, I dont know if you can remove that (with an option) , maybe you can just make the torrent start on boot :) hehehe
[21:38] <jrib> DARUDE: apt-cache policy nspluginwrapper
[21:39] <Cojage> well i have comodo on windows
[21:39] <uLinux> Sgeo: they read the help
[21:39] <jrib> Sgeo: they can register?
[21:39] <DARUDE> jrib, ok
[21:39] <jrib> DARUDE: that's just to get information for me
[21:39] <WrathZA> dmesg -> INFO: task i915:585 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
[21:39] <DARUDE> it says installed: 1.2.2-0ubuntu6
[21:39] <xbonesx> has anyone installed conky, downloaded the conkywizard and figured out how to use it (http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/conkywizard-gui-to-set-up-conky.html)
[21:40] <jrib> DARUDE: that means you're using npviewer
[21:40] <DARUDE> oh
[21:40] <DARUDE> so i need to switch to that 64bit one you were talkin about
[21:40] <DARUDE> is there a command where i could snatch that via terminal
[21:41] <jrib> DARUDE: yes, do the following: 1) sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-installer 2) go to http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html and download the tar.gz for 64-bit 3) extract the libflashplayer.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[21:41] <wng-> Can someone tell me what configure options the package libopenmpi1.3 is compiled with if I install from aptitude?
[21:41] <Somelauw> Sometimes xchat randomly hides this window.
[21:41] <Somelauw> My question: Is there anyting you use against virii, spyware and whatever?
[21:41] <jrib> DARUDE: this means however it will be up to you to maintain it and keep it up to date (for security issues, etc) as with all software installed outside the repositories
[21:41] <jrib> Somelauw: linux
[21:42] <DARUDE> alright starting it
[21:42] <Cojage> lol
[21:42] <Dempf> jrib: If I were to do that, how would I revert to flash from repositories?
[21:42] <stbain> Anyone know off the top of their head why Wubi downloads a new ISO instead of using the CD I'm running Wubi off of?
[21:42] <Somelauw> jrbi: what
[21:42] <uLinux> so.. i have 2gb of ram i should use 2.1 or something? i dont hibernate but in the future..
[21:42] <corey> can anyone tell me how to mount my other windows partition inside ubuntu?  i have 3 operating systems and only 1 partion is showing up
[21:43] <uLinux> for swap*
[21:43] <jrib> Dempf: just delete ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so and install the flashplugin-installer package again
[21:43] <Kyle__> I'm using virtualbox-ose on 10.04, and it doesn't look like it has support for headless vnc sessions.  Is there an extra package I need?
[21:43] <jrib> Somelauw: as long as you don't run random code from untrusted sources you do not need to worry about malware on linux
[21:43] <tensorpudding> Somelauw: There are some antivirus programs for Linux, but they mostly treat Windows virii
[21:43] <jrib> !virus | Somelauw
[21:44] <diego__> talking about virtualbox, I have a really ugly problem with it ... when I use it, the battery stops charging (using a laptop)
[21:44] <Somelauw> So are even things like javascript and flash completely safe?
[21:44] <tensorpudding> Somelauw: Linux has some rootkits available for it, but they are almost always obtained by running questionable software as root. You can test for them using something like rkhunter
[21:44] <Somelauw> What about cookies collecting personal details?
[21:44] <diego__> it will still use the power supply and not the battery if connected ... but it won't charge the battery :S
[21:44] <CharlieSu> Are there any official UEC imanges that are EBS backed instead of the instance store?
[21:45] <uLinux> Somelauw: lol it's the same thing but you are more protected.. there is cookies, flashcookies, javascript..
[21:45] <uLinux> if you are worried you can use noscript addon
[21:45] <jags> hi
[21:45] <uLinux> ei jags
[21:46] <jags> I installed google earth on ubuntu 10.04, with make install method
[21:46] <corey> anyone know how to manually mount a windows partition inside ubuntu?
[21:46] <jags> I want it to be managed by the software center instead
[21:46] <DARUDE> jrib
[21:46]  * iConfused is trying to get the compiz headtracking plugin working
[21:46] <DARUDE> where can I find the modzilla directory
[21:46] <DARUDE> so I could paste the libflashplayer.so
[21:46] <jags> how do i uninstall a program in linux that I installed with the whole make install method
[21:47] <MichealH> !enter | DARUDE
[21:47] <iConfused> jags, cd into the directory the source was in
[21:47] <mobal> hi
[21:47] <iConfused> sudo make uninstall
[21:47] <jrib> DARUDE: ~ means /home/YOUR_USERNAME usually.  Directories that start with a '.' like ".mozilla" are hidden by default.  You can show hidden directories in nautilus by either pressing ctrl-h or going to view → show hidden files.  If you do not have a ~/.mozilla/plugins, create it
[21:47] <jags> ok ty
[21:47] <jeremy_passarell> hello
[21:47] <Dulak> jags: some sources include an uninstall target: 'make uninstall'
[21:47] <mobal> i installed lamp. how can i change mysql root password?
[21:47] <tensorpudding> Somelauw: So long as you keep your machine up-to-date, don't enable network services you don't need, and don't run programs that you don't trust, you should probably never have a security issue.
[21:47] <uLinux> I have 2gb of RAM. Is it fine to use 2gb for swap? i dont want to use 4GB!
[21:47] <Dulak> jags: if that gives an error you have to do it manually, which sucks
[21:48] <jrib> mobal: you set it during install
[21:48] <uLinux> !swao
[21:48] <Somelauw> How is root acces regulated? If one program requires root access and I permit it, does that enable root access globally or does that just give the current program root access?
[21:48] <uLinux> !swap
[21:48] <mobal> yes i set
[21:48] <MichealH> Do DARUDE Insttead of "nick <enter> I need help" try nick: "I need help" or just !tab
[21:48] <mobal> but now i want to change it
[21:48] <MichealH> !tab > DARUDE
[21:48] <tensorpudding> uLinux: Yes.
[21:48] <jrib> mobal: do you know it?
[21:48] <mobal> yes
[21:48] <jrib> mobal: Do what it says at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset but skip the parts to skip authentication obviously
[21:49] <uLinux> tensorpudding: i have 1tb hdd but it's just i dont want to use like 4gb.. currently i have 5.6 with defaul installation
[21:49] <Dulak> uLinux: if you want to suspend, have more than your ram in swap, but it only has to be a little bigger than the amount of ram
[21:49] <WrathZA> is it normal not to have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[21:49] <jrib> WrathZA: yes
[21:49] <mobal> jrib: thanks
[21:49] <syntaxman> Just want to verify/inquire about the ease of installing lucid on lvm...
[21:49] <MichealH> jrib: That was quick!
[21:49] <WrathZA> jrib: where is it then?
[21:49] <MichealH> WrathZA: In that directory!
[21:50] <syntaxman> is root on lvm part of the default lucid installation?
[21:50] <jrib> WrathZA: you're asking a strange question: where is something that does not exist?
[21:50] <NS_tech> i need help with something
[21:50] <jrib> WrathZA: better idea is to tell us why you are looking for it :)
[21:50] <MichealH> NS_tech: Go ahead :)
[21:50] <WrathZA> jrib: where is the configuration file then?
[21:50] <MichealH> WrathZA: You have to create it
[21:50] <jrib> WrathZA: most things are configured "on the fly" by X nowadays
[21:50] <chris|> WrathZA, xorg.conf is optional for recent xorg releases
[21:50] <syntaxman> WrathZA: it's optional
[21:50] <wng-> Can someone tell me what configure options the package libopenmpi1.3 is compiled with if I install from aptitude?
[21:51] <pb_fanboy> Ok. I have tried to ask on #vbox, #unbuntu+1, but still waiting for reply. Is anyone here able to run maverick inside virtualbox in full screen mode?
[21:51] <corey> can anyone help me with mounting a windows partition inside kubuntu
[21:51] <crohakon> I have an old ISO that contains the installation files for some old windows software that I am sure can run via wine. In windows I was able to use deamon tools to mount the iso and run the installation. I noticed that Ubuntu has a built in iso mounter but when I mount it and navigate to the directory where it is mounted nothing is there. What am I doing wrong?
[21:51] <jrib> wng-: I can't but if you "apt-get source PACKAGE" and read debian/rules, you will find out
[21:51] <WrathZA> is there a default configuration? I'm trying to see what options I have with my VGA/X freeze
[21:51] <jrib> !ntfs | corey
[21:51] <NS_tech> http://pastebin.com/HHL3LfqY
[21:51] <NS_tech> this is the error im getting
[21:51] <NS_tech> i dont know what it means
[21:51] <jrib> WrathZA: not that I know of.  Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:51] <corey> i want to manually mount it not permy though
[21:51] <wng-> jrib: thanks al ot
[21:52] <MichealH> !patience | pb_fanboy
[21:52] <DARUDE> jrib: After placing the 'libflashplayer.so' in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ I re-opened my Firefox and tried to watch a video but it prompted me that I am 'Missing Plugins".
[21:52] <mgmuscari> does anyone know where i might find information about my laptop's lcd panel in /dev or /proc  (or anywhere else?)
[21:53] <jrib> corey: sudo mkdir /media/some-mount-point && sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdXX /media/some-mount-point.  Though you can also just click on your partition in nautilus...
[21:53] <DARUDE> jrib: Nevermind sir.
[21:53] <jrib> DARUDE: close fir... ok :)
[21:53] <mgmuscari> i'm trying to figure out whether it's dim because my backlight sucks or because it's not being set to its full brightness
[21:53] <DARUDE> jrib: I refreshed the page and it appeared.
[21:53] <jags> generally should i use synaptic or ubuntu software manager for installation/uninstallation?
[21:53] <jrib> jags: whatever you prefer
[21:53] <syntaxman> does the ubuntu installer give the option to install root on lvm?  Anyone know?
[21:53] <corey> i have 3 partitions and only 1 shows up in nautilus
[21:54] <uLinux> Dulak: like 2.1gb for swap
[21:54] <DARUDE> jrib: Thank you very much.
[21:54] <jrib> syntaxman: I think so.  The server disk did anyway
[21:54] <jrib> DARUDE: no problem, is the performance actually better?
[21:54] <syntaxman> jrib: thanks :-)
[21:54] <DARUDE> jrib: Much much better.
[21:54] <mgmuscari> syntaxman: i don't see any problem with this, as long as you make sure the kernel image that gets put in /boot can mount it
[21:54] <NS_tech> does anyone know how to help my issue?
[21:54] <NS_tech> http://pastebin.com/HHL3LfqY
[21:54] <uLinux> I have another question.. how can I know how much GB i have for filesystem and how much left?
[21:55] <mobal> jrib: thanks it worked
[21:55] <uLinux> I want to know how many GB i need for filesystem
[21:55] <mgmuscari> syntaxman: from wikipedia: "The installers for the ... and Ubuntu distributions are LVM-aware and can install a bootable system with a root filesystem on a logical volume." confirmed.
[21:55] <Dempf> jrib: Hmm, I just tried switching to the libflashplayer.so download that you suggested for DARUDE, but my performance doesn't really seem better at. esp with compiz turned on.
[21:55] <syntaxman> mgmuscari: I just didnt want to jump through a bunch of hoops.. I already have it working on one machine, but it's gentoo.
[21:55] <Dempf> *at all
[21:55] <crohakon> I have an old ISO that contains the installation files for some old windows software that I am sure can run via wine. In windows I was able to use deamon tools to mount the iso and run the installation. I noticed that Ubuntu has a built in iso mounter but when I mount it and navigate to the directory where it is mounted nothing is there. What am I doing wrong?
[21:56] <syntaxman> mgmuscari: very cool.
[21:56] <mgmuscari> syntaxman: looks like the installer will take care of it for you, you're good to go
[21:56] <jrib> Dempf: don't know maybe you can tweak some compiz setting, try #compiz
[21:56] <mgmuscari> crohakon: you can directly mount it using the mount utility using -o loop i think
[21:57] <mgmuscari> crohakon: mount -o loop image.iso mountpoint
[21:57] <Dempf> jrib: thanks, I'll try asking there
[21:57] <crohakon> mgmuscari, I will give it a try, thanks.
[21:57] <mgmuscari> crohakon: np
[21:57] <uLinux> Is 30GB good enough for filesystem?
[21:58] <ljsoftnet> uLinux yes
[21:58] <jeremy_passarell> What size is your Hard Drive?
[21:58] <uLinux> 1TB
[21:59] <mgmuscari> uLinux: it depends. what filesystem are you talking about?
[21:59] <uLinux> mgmuscari: ext4
[21:59] <uLinux> the /root
[21:59] <uLinux> etc except /home
[21:59] <mgmuscari> uLinux: are you creating separate partitions for other things?
[21:59] <mgmuscari> hmm
[21:59] <jeremy_passarell> are you trying to install Ubuntu?
[22:00] <mgmuscari> 30 is probably fine but if you see yourself installing a lot of extra packages, or having things running that write a lot of information into /var you might want to go bigger
[22:00] <uLinux> mgmuscari: yes im gonna reinstall 2.1gb swap  maybe 30gb for / and left space for /home
[22:00] <Dulak> uLinux: 30g is exactly what I use for / on my systems, it's enough for most stuff, but it really depends on where you are gonna use the space
[22:00] <NS_tech> i was trying to install limewire and  when the package manager ran it came up with an error.  it said to fix it, type sudo apt-get install -f.  i did and got this error: http://pastebin.com/HHL3LfqY
[22:00] <Monotoko> Right...cross platform question. I am wanting to stream the audio output from my Windows XP gaming computer to my Ubuntu netbook (which is plugged into the stereo)...how would I go about it?
[22:00] <jeremy_passarell> uh, you should use the entire hard drive
[22:00] <uLinux> Dulak: /tmp (temporary?) folder is important right
[22:01] <gapw>  ubuntu-xen-desktop : Depends: xen-tools but it is not installable
[22:01] <gapw> :(
[22:01] <uLinux> Dulak: sometimes I convert videos
[22:01] <Dulak> uLinux: yes but it's autocleaned after 72 hours iirc
[22:01] <mgmuscari> Monotoko: the easiest way would likely be by installing pulseaudio on your windows pc, and setting it up on both machines to be able to use TCP
[22:02] <gapw> Package xen-tools is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another sourceHowever the following packages replace it: bash-completion
[22:02] <mgmuscari> Monotoko: the audio is probably going to be rather choppy, especially over wifi... you may want to consider setting up some QoS rules on your router to improve performance
[22:02] <gapw> why package broken?
[22:02] <MaximLevitsky> mgmuscari: don't agree
[22:02] <Dulak> uLinux: you can split anything off to a dedicated partition to match your use, so /tmp can be it's own partition, or /var/www could be it's own partition if that's where you need space
[22:02] <uLinux> Dulak: im thinking of using logical partitions. is it ok or should i use some primary?
[22:02] <mgmuscari> MaximLevitsky: on which point
[22:02] <MaximLevitsky> mgmuscari: over wifi here pa works very well
[22:03] <MaximLevitsky> mgmuscari: although its not usuable for some reason in SDL games
[22:03] <mgmuscari> MaximLevitsky: i've had some problems with it but then again my audio streams have been fully duplexed 96kHz
[22:03] <Dulak> uLinux: 30g is pretty good for a base size, and primary partitions are preferred, though it will work fine either way
[22:03] <MaximLevitsky> mgmuscari: lag of 1~2 seconds
[22:03] <uLinux> Dulak: can I resize all the logical after?
[22:03] <uLinux> Dulak: if I need more space for / or other partition
[22:04] <Dulak> uLinux: it's not the easiest thing to resize partitions but it's possible
[22:04] <mgmuscari> uLinux: yes, but back everything up first...
[22:04] <uLinux> Dulak: ok so im goin for 2.1 swap 30gb / and left space for /home
[22:04] <uLinux> mgmuscari: yes i did backup it took many hours lol
[22:04] <DARUDE> I tried to enable the "Extra" feature in Appearance, but I get "Desktop Effects could not be enabled".  I typed 'compiz' in terminal and it gave me this error;  compiz (core) - Fatal: Software rendering detected.
[22:05] <Dulak> uLinux: sounds like every client I have running right now
[22:05] <Milosz> DARUDE, what kind of graphics hardware do you have?
[22:05] <crohakon> mgmuscari, how do I unmount it now that I am don and have it installed?
[22:05] <DARUDE> Integrated
[22:05] <Milosz> DARUDE, intel?
[22:05] <mgmuscari> crohakon: umount mountpoint
[22:05] <Milosz> DARUDE, integrated can mean a lot
[22:06] <Milosz> there is integrated intel, nvidia, sis, VIA
[22:06] <crohakon> mgmuscari, ahhh... I tried unmount mountpoint ;)
[22:06] <uLinux> Dulak: i can delete the current partitions during install right?
[22:06] <DARUDE> Milosz:  SiS Mirage 2 Shared video memory (UMA)
[22:06] <wolven_> Is there any known issues with rythmbox having issues adding folders to music library?
[22:06] <DARUDE> Laptop*
[22:06] <area51pilot> I cant connect to a WEP access point but I can for WAP ... why?
[22:06] <wolven_> i click open, it ignoreses me hehe
[22:06] <Kartel> Hey guys got problem with Desktop resolution, every time i reset ubuntu 10.04 my desktop rez is changed, what should i do ?
[22:06] <uLinux> Dulak: i think im using only 6gb for filesystem right now :\
[22:06] <Dulak> uLinux: if there is nothing there you need sure, just do a manual setup when it comes time to partition and you'll have the option to delete/add
[22:07] <mgmuscari> does anybody know much about the exec() system call?
[22:07] <uLinux> Dulak: using nautilus i check all folders and files except /home and it says it uses 6.4gb
[22:07] <freaky[t]> hi all. what package do i have to install to be able to play .mp3 files?P
[22:08] <Milosz> DARUDE, check this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=842383
[22:08] <Dulak> uLinux: sounds about right, I think I have mine trimmed to right about 5g
[22:08] <Milosz> area51pilot, are you using NetworkManager?
[22:08] <Lollipop56> freaky[t], check my pm
[22:08] <NS_tech> returned error exit status 2
[22:08] <uLinux> Dulak: so i think 30gb is too much for me Lol
[22:08] <NS_tech> what does this mean
[22:08] <area51pilot> milosz:yes
[22:08] <uLinux> maybe 15 or 29gb
[22:08] <Dulak> uLinux: you keep the space for later expansion, and stuff like logs
[22:09] <DARUDE> Milosz, ah that's unforunate, thanks anyways.
[22:09] <Meidor> Does anyone know a fix for the anoying Deauthenticated by local choise(reason=3) bug, I've googled my ass of but none of the suggested solutions worked. I can't use the wifi network (WPA-ENTERPRISE PEAP/MSCHAPv2 and WPA-ENTERPRISE TTLS) on my univerity and am forced to resort to windows 7 (which I rather not)?
[22:09] <Milosz> area51pilot, to what kind of authentication do you have set your AP exactly?
[22:09] <mgmuscari> uLinux: if you're worried about logs and stuff filling it up, you can create a separate partition for /var, or make a cron job to clear log files
[22:09] <Dulak> uLinux: it's up to you, I've done installs in partitions as small as 6g before, you just have to know where you are gonna use space.  Better too much than not enough, imo
[22:09] <uLinux> Dulak: yes but if im using only 6gb .. 30gb is too much.  maybe 15 or 20gb would be enough for the future
[22:09] <Milosz> area51pilot, I mean, when using WEP
[22:10] <Milosz> WPA*
[22:10] <Dulak> uLinux: go for 20g then, it won't make a huge difference
[22:11] <T44> ah, nice... i got everything to work now, however i need to mess around with the xinput command to get it to work... is there some way of defining in advance how the input device structure should look like? i would like to create a second master input and attach the second touch screen to it permanently
[22:11] <area51pilot> milosz: i can connect to WPA/WPA2 fine, but never WEP
[22:11] <uLinux> Dulak: well for me i prefer to have a lot of space for /home so i can save a lot of stuff (videos etc
[22:11] <T44> i guess i COULD just throw all of that into a script, but it seems messy
[22:12] <remfarkas> hi all, i tried to install yubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu netbook edition but after booting from the install cd i get only command line
[22:12] <mgmuscari> uLinux: fyi, i have a LOT of stuff installed, and my filesystem structure looks like this:
[22:12] <Milosz> area51pilot, hmm ok well I know this is not what you want to get answered but why would you want to use WEP?
[22:12] <area51pilot> milosz:on multiple systems it wont authenticate
[22:12] <mgmuscari> !pastebin
[22:12] <DonSlice> on 10.04.1, Right clicking a panel only allows for "About Panels" and "Help"
[22:13] <remfarkas> not even the option to choose language appears, nor gdm/xfce is starting
[22:13] <area51pilot> milosz: I dont want to use WEP, but need to connect to WEP networks at times for support
[22:13] <mgmuscari> uLinux: here are my filesystems, i think 20GB for / is sufficient
[22:13] <kv102t> anyone know of a simple screen recorder for ubuntu 10.4
[22:13] <mgmuscari> uLinux: http://paste.ubuntu.com/497264/
[22:13] <HisDudeness>  if i'm resizing a ntfs partition w/ gparted and it doesn't do anything (stuck at the ntfsresize), will it break my hdd if i abort the whole operation? all i got is 1 hard drive w/ 3 partitions …
[22:14] <mgmuscari> HisDudeness: it won't break the hard disk, but you could bork the partition table, and you could very well lose the data on the ntfs partition
[22:14] <uLinux> tks mgmuscari
[22:14] <Dulak> HisDudeness: it's liable to hose your ntfs partition if it's actually writing stuff
[22:14] <HisDudeness> the whole partition? -.-
[22:14] <tensorpudding> HisDudeness: what do you mean by "stuck"
[22:14] <uLinux> mgmuscari: what command did you to check that?
[22:15] <uLinux> use
[22:15] <Heretic121> I'm sorry but at times like this I feel compelled to say
[22:15] <Heretic121> Owned.
[22:15] <mgmuscari> HisDudeness: fyi, because of the way NTFS works, there will pretty much always be some annoying metadata exactly halfway through the partition, so when you resize you'll likely only be able to half it. defragmenting from windows and then resizing again will move the metadata and allow you to shrink by half again...
[22:15]  * Heretic121 wanders away
[22:15] <Dulak> uLinux: sudo df -h
[22:15] <mgmuscari> uLinux: df -kh... it's in the pastebin
[22:15] <Milosz> area51pilot, what's your version of NetworkManager ?
[22:15] <till_> hello, i have a small dhclient since the last ubuntu update (10.04.1).
[22:15] <HisDudeness> right now the status bar moves left and right like it's busy, no freeze or anything … but no change since about 5 mins
[22:15] <Milosz> area51pilot, also what's the wireless driver that you're using?
[22:16] <tensorpudding> HisDudeness: it takes a really long time to resize NTFS partitions
[22:16] <T44> HisDudeness: it can take quite long, just give it some time
[22:16] <mgmuscari> HisDudeness: could take hours
[22:16] <area51pilot> Milosz: STA
[22:16] <Dulak> HisDudeness: it has to recalculate stuff over and over and over again, it could take hours truly
[22:16] <HisDudeness> simple resizing?
[22:16] <HisDudeness> all right, thanks
[22:16] <T44> nothing simple about it with ntfs :)
[22:16] <till_> after the last update, dhclient got uninstalled, since i reinstall the dhcp-client package, there is a usage error about it in syslog when the network-manager tries to apply a profile.
[22:17] <HisDudeness> i'll leave it running overnight now
[22:17] <Dulak> HisDudeness: ntfs and simple don't exactly go together
[22:17] <mgmuscari> HisDudeness: resizing isn't simple - there are lots of blocks being moved around and constantly indexed
[22:17] <uLinux> mgmuscari: what is /usr for?
[22:17] <tensorpudding> resizing partitions is not really simple
[22:17] <remfarkas> it is, with gparted
[22:17] <mgmuscari> uLinux: sharable, read only data
[22:17] <mgmuscari> uLinux: user programs and stuff go in there
[22:18] <Dulak> I assure you it might appear to be simple, but it is in fact complex beyond belief
[22:18] <uLinux> mgmuscari: so when you reinstall you dont lose that stuff right? i thought i was used only in /home
[22:18] <tensorpudding> I think that "user system resources" is a backronym for usr
[22:19] <tensorpudding> though originally /usr also had user's home directories in it too
[22:19] <emperium> need some help please. when i install docky, my desktop was split in the middle. anyone has the same issue?
[22:19] <remfarkas> anyone can help me how to install any 10.04 ubuntu?
[22:19] <tensorpudding> no, /usr is wiped when you reinstall
[22:19] <emperium> remfarkas, just run the cd
[22:19] <remfarkas> 9.10 live cds work well but 10.04 are all screwed for me
[22:19] <mgmuscari> uLinux: you could theoretically completely bork your root filesystem, reinstall, then pick up /usr and be ok
[22:19] <Milosz> area51pilot, can you paste the output of 'nm-tool' somewhere?
[22:20] <emperium> remfarkas did you check ths md5 file of 10.04?
[22:20] <mgmuscari> although there could be important things in /var and /etc sometimes
[22:20] <mgmuscari> configuration and such
[22:20] <mgmuscari> uLinux: try running man hier
[22:20] <balhux> hi there
[22:20] <remfarkas> checking it wont start gdm
[22:20] <balhux> somebody knows a channel to program with jogl, java and opengl?
[22:20] <remfarkas> i have downloaded it from official mirror
[22:20] <mgmuscari> balhux, start in #java
[22:21] <balhux> thnks
[22:21] <area51pilot> Milosz: I will have to restart in linux
[22:21] <emperium> remfarkas you have 9.10 installed?
[22:21] <Dulak> uLinux: user facing apps like the browser, email client. etc all use /home.  Daemons like database servers and web servers, etc do not use /home
[22:21] <area51pilot> Milosz: Currently in Win 7 because I needed an inet connection
[22:21] <remfarkas> yes, atm i am using a 9.10 version which is installed on a 4gb sd card
[22:22] <mgmuscari> uLinux: Dulak: iirc tomcat uses /var, and /etc for example
[22:22] <Milosz> area51pilot, allright
[22:22] <emperium> remfarkas try this --> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[22:22] <remfarkas> those are working fine but i have downloaded xubuntu, ubuntu and ubuntu netbook edition, they just dont start normally
[22:22] <Dulak> uLinux: for a workstation machine /home is enough to keep your personal settings, on a server you'd have configs in /etc, variable data in /var, and binaries under /usr you'd be looking at
[22:22] <DonSlice> 5~5~
[22:22] <emperium> remfarkas then --> #
[22:22] <emperium> edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal
[22:22] <mgmuscari> Dulak++
[22:22] <remfarkas> i want to know why the 10.04 live cds arent working
[22:23] <emperium> try 10.04.1
[22:23] <remfarkas> there is not even an option at the start to choose language
[22:23] <emperium> probably is an cdplayer error
[22:23] <emperium> try to run it from a pen
[22:23] <mgmuscari> hmmm no karma bot in here, eh?
[22:24] <koltroll> Hey guys. I'm setting up a simple lamp server with ubuntu. I have my wwwroot in /var/www. I'm know going to add a user I can use for ftp so that I'll get down into /var/www. Is it anything I should think on when I create the user that's going to be used for FTP ?
[22:24] <iConfused> <3 nautilus terminal
[22:24] <koltroll> s/know/now
[22:25] <emperium> need some help please. when i install docky, my desktop was split in the middle. anyone has the same issue?
[22:27] <area51pilot> out of the box ubuntu setup, media players wont play cd's or dvd's ... do I need to check for codec installation somewhere?   if so where?
[22:27] <uLinux> Dulak mgmuscari: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Q3JYuA8A
[22:28] <uLinux> thats how it is now
[22:28] <DonSlice> Any fixes for having a limited right-click menu on a panel?
[22:28] <DonSlice> I only get "About Panels" and "Help."
[22:28] <DARUDE> Anyone here familiar with GLX-Dock 2.2
[22:28] <rbastic> Hello, when I watch auth.log using the Log File Viewer, I am seeing "Successful su for rbastic by root" over and over again and it keeps popping up.. This doesn't happen on a similar 10.04 machine I have. Anyone familiar?
[22:29] <rbastic> Sorry, not popping up, but updating text box
[22:29] <mgmuscari> uLinux: i say allocate 20G for /, 25G if you're really paranoid, and you're golden
[22:29] <mgolisch> rbastic: probably a cronjob
[22:30] <rbastic> That runs every 5-6 seconds?
[22:30] <uLinux> mgmuscari: okay
[22:30] <rbastic> What does + ??? root:rbastic mean
[22:30] <uLinux> mgmuscari: btw why do you use a partition for /boto
[22:30] <uLinux> */boot
[22:31] <mgolisch> uLinux: why not? maybe / is on a raid device or lvm
[22:31] <rbastic> here's whaty syslog looks like: http://pastebin.com/BFP0WnTz
[22:31] <Dulak> uLinux: it's a carry over from old boot loaders that couldn't boot a kernel that was physically beyond tho 1024th cylinder, but it is useful for raid setups where you want to be able to boot a kernel regardless of the state of the raid array
[22:32] <mgmuscari> uLinux: habit
[22:32] <mgmuscari> uLinux: one thing it's easier to keep my bootloader if i reinstall
[22:33] <emperium> please http://img689.imageshack.us/i/screenshotds.png/  what can I do the fix this
[22:33] <mgmuscari> just throw the new kernel image in there and modify the configuration
[22:33] <mgolisch> rbastic: some  program that runs as root starts something as your user
[22:33] <DonSlice> When I right click on a panel, I only get "About Panels" and "Help."
[22:33] <mgmuscari> i chainload other OS's
[22:33] <DonSlice> Can someone help?
[22:33] <uLinux> mgmuscari: im using 22mb in /boot
[22:33] <DonSlice> Furthermore, it looks like I can't right click my Menus at all
[22:34] <mgmuscari> uLinux: yeah my boot is usually like 200mb
[22:34] <mgmuscari> right now i'm using 85
[22:34] <uLinux> mgmuscari: im gonna install manually because i want to upgrade Ubuntu in the future
[22:34] <rbastic> mgolisch, I compared my crontab to my desktop machine's crontab and they are identical.
[22:34] <uLinux> using clean installation
[22:35] <mgmuscari> uLinux: i stopped upgrading after 9.10, heh
[22:35] <DARUDE> So no one here used GLX-Dock?
[22:35] <uLinux> mgmuscari: so.. will i be fine with just a partition for / and another one for /home?
[22:35] <mgmuscari> uLinux: yep
[22:35] <LeronT> Hello, I just started ubuntu, can someone tell me how to install a .tar.bz2 package?
[22:36] <mgmuscari> LeronT: that's not a package, that's a compressed archive. like a zip file
[22:36] <alzie> LeronT: what are you wanting to install
[22:36] <LeronT> alzie: cinelerra
[22:36] <mgmuscari> LeronT: you'll want to download the .deb installer package for whatever it is you're installing
[22:37] <rbastic> This is in auth.log, sorry. Not syslog.
[22:37] <LeronT> mgmuscari: there was no .deb option on the page, it only downloaded this.
[22:37] <Pertheria> Hey, whats a good flac music player for ubuntu 10.10?.. all the ones i try either dont add songs to playlist ( rythmbox ), or treat my samba share as a stream ( amarok )
[22:38] <tensorpudding> Is there no GUI tools for configuring System V's rc scripts?
[22:38] <rafaelsoaresbr> LeronT, find a file README.TXT inside this archive
[22:38] <rbastic> You know what.. I run asus_oled on this laptop as a driver. What are the odds that's what's su'ing to display all my system info every 5 seconds? ;)
[22:38] <zeld> hi all... i'm just installing ubuntu on eepc from usb stick
[22:38] <DonSlice> Pertheria: Check out moc. It's simplistic, but it works.
[22:39] <mgmuscari> LeronT: i highly recommend against attempting to install from the .tar.bz2
[22:39] <dragonfly> I'm trying to setup netbook remix with an openvpn client. I've got the config loaded/saved, but when I try to connect it doesn't prompt for the certificate password and gives the "no valid vpn secrets" message
[22:39] <zeld> but... he try to install it from the network.... and i do not understand..
[22:39] <DonSlice> Pertheria: Then run moc with mocp
[22:39] <LeronT> rafaelsoaresbr: thanks, I was looking for the readme, but couldn't find it. XD Then I remembered there's a search option
[22:39] <mgolisch> rbastic: if its something started as root that might be
[22:39] <zeld> i prepared the usb stick by using unetbootin
[22:39] <Pertheria> thanks donslice
[22:39] <alzie> LeronT: http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu has the download and instructions
[22:39] <DonSlice> When I right click on a panel, I only get "About Panels" and "Help," and I cannot right click my Menus... Any help on this?
[22:39] <mgmuscari> lol... about 10 more seconds of looking would've led him to that link
[22:39] <mgmuscari> alzie: i was about to send that too
[22:39] <Resnik> anyone got some spare time, to help me with squid configuration please?
[22:39] <sxndave> LeronT: http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[22:40] <rafaelsoaresbr> LeronT, you may have to install some dependencies like gcc or tcl. so you should read that file.
[22:40] <rbastic> mgolisch, yes, i am quite silly. running the oled driver is what's su'ing every 5 seconds or so. i just stopped it and the log stops filling
[22:40] <janisozaur> how do I list symbols in .a library?
[22:40] <rbastic> would've been much friendlier of it to report the program accurately though... maybe that is worth fixing
[22:41] <uLinux> mgmuscari: gonna make the partitions all logical like Ubuntu automatic install does
[22:42] <mgmuscari> uLinux: all of my linux partitions are logical
[22:42] <Proumbro> can anyone here direct me to some documentation concerning process management in linux, I am trying to learn more about preemption, deadlock, etc...
[22:42] <Dulak> all of mine are primary, either way works
[22:43] <erUSUL> Proumbro: really do not see the connection between preemption, deadlock, and process management ...
[22:44] <Proumbro> erUSUL: kinda new to this, taking a class on OS systems and comparing their processing capabilities
[22:44] <Proumbro> right now we are studying how the Os prioritizes processes to avoid deadlock
[22:44] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: first link on google: http://oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel/chapter/ch10.html
[22:44] <erUSUL> Proumbro: so you want to learn how the scheduler works?
[22:44] <aBaldrich> hey a quick question, how do I resize my main partition? I want to create a separate /home partition before testing 10.10
[22:44] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: I was hoping there was something in Lucid I could explore and tinker with
[22:45] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: fyi processes can still deadlock despite any priority given to them by the scheduler
[22:45] <jarlg> what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude? I recall aptitude was more preffered before?
[22:46] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: I know this :) I am trying to distinguish the differences between Windows Linux and OSX
[22:46] <emperium> whit whom was I talking to?
[22:46] <VCoolio> jarlg: different handling of dependencies when uninstalling; aptitude has an ncurses interface
[22:46] <emperium> my connection quits
[22:46] <jarlg> VCoolio: So basically, stick to one of them?
[22:46] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: e.g. if one process X obtains a lock on resource A, and process Y obtains a lock on resource B, then X attempts to get a lock on B, and Y attempts to get a lock on A
[22:46] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: difference in process scheduling?
[22:46] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: yeah like how the prioritize and such
[22:47] <uLinux> mgmuscari: another thing i dont get.. they sell hdds saying 1TB but the actual size is not that so how can I know the real size i can use?
[22:47] <VCoolio> jarlg: doesn't matter in this case, but if you use apt-get you need 'apt-get autoremove' to get rid of unneeded dependencies
[22:47] <mgmuscari> uLinux: heh, yeah, that's a pretty lame marketing tactic they use
[22:47] <uLinux> they use bits?
[22:47] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: I really want to dig into Lucid and look at settings such as the time slice associated with preemption
[22:48] <mgmuscari> uLinux: they usually mean 1,000,000,000,000 bytes... but 1TB is actually a lot more than that
[22:48] <uLinux> suckers lol
[22:48] <rbastic> Proumbro, there are different kernel schedulers depending on what version of lucid you use.
[22:48] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: 1) Lucid is a distribution of Ubuntu - what you want is the Linux kernel
[22:48] <Dulak> uLinux: they use base 10 instead of base 2, so they say a gig is 1000 megs when it's supposed to be 1024 megs
[22:48] <rbastic> Proumbro, iirc Ubuntu Studio runs a pre-emptive kernel patch
[22:48] <uLinux> ohh
[22:48] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: 2) i forgot what 2 was going to be
[22:49] <aBaldrich> Proumbro: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-scheduler/   this is a great article
[22:49] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: http://kernel.org/
[22:49] <mgmuscari> have a peek
[22:49] <volodya> does anybody know how exactly the encrypted directory is mounted during login -- i.e. what component actually runs the 'mount' command?
[22:49] <area51pilot> why is it I can boot a Knoppix stick and be able to connect to any (WEP/WPA/WPA2) netowrk on any machine but trying to connect using WEP from 10.04 or 10.10 is No Joy
[22:49] <RBecker> If no one is answering in #ubuntu+1 should I ask here? Maybe someone could help?
[22:49] <erUSUL> rbastic: Proumbro studio runs a realtime version of the kernel,. the normal kernel supports preemt
[22:49] <area51pilot> frustrating!
[22:49] <uLinux> so 1TB to them is 931gb to us
[22:50] <mgmuscari> uLinux: you got it
[22:50] <rbastic> erUSUL, ah yes, i stand corrected
[22:50] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: I know, but I want to get to the Linux kernel inside my Lucid machine to toy with it a bit and look at the settings
[22:50] <Proumbro> aBaldrich: yeah I've looked at that already :)
[22:51] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: I've looked at that too, and kernelnewbies.org
[22:51] <erUSUL> Proumbro: less /proc/sched_debug ;P
[22:51] <fred2040> Hi, a little question.. in my home server I installed x11vnc server and open a port in firewall  ... then, I tried to access from my pc with default remote connection in ubuntu.... but I Cant
[22:52] <Proumbro> erUSUL: ah like that, I am looking for the files associated with the scheduler and such
[22:52] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: sudo apt-get install fakeroot kernel-wedge build-essential makedumpfile kernel-package; sudo apt-get build-dep linux
[22:53] <RBecker> fred2040: did you change the IP address to the correct one and setup x11vnc on the host?
[22:53] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: I'm not a pro at this and I don't want to start building my own kernel :)
[22:53] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: you don't need to build it - but it can be helpful to read the source code
[22:53] <mgmuscari> i'm trying to figure out the exec system call right now, and reading the kernel source has been the most helpful tactic so far
[22:53] <mgmuscari> that and using strace
[22:54] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: I saw that earlier and thought about it (and may go back to it) but was afraid of doing something awesome to kill my laptop
[22:54] <mgmuscari> best bet then is to just download the kernel source from kernel.org and poke around inside
[22:55] <uLinux> mgmuscari: gonna reinstall later
[22:55] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: alright, that was what I was thinking, but I wanted to mae sure that Lucid didn't have something built into it where you can observe
[22:55] <juboba> why the spam check?
[22:55] <juboba> lol
[22:55] <Proumbro> the processes going on and their priorities
[22:55] <mgmuscari> top
[22:55] <xbonesx> need help getting synaptic package manager to recognize my ubuntu 10.04 "dvd". it doesnt pick it up, can i modify the config file to recognize "dvds"???
[22:55] <subichan> hi
[22:55] <nathan312> Can someone help me quick with Wine? I want to install Office 2007 on my netbook through Wine. I have the whole cd files on my USB flash stick and then I change directories to it (I copied the file to the actual HDD) and then in terminal type: wine setup.exe. It just comes up with a bunch of errors. ANY help???
[22:55] <juboba> How do I restore the position of the Notitify-OSD on Lucid?
[22:55] <subichan> excuse me, how do i mount an usb hdd ? i'm a newbie
[22:55] <mgmuscari> Proumbro: top is probably the closest you'll get to observing that in "real time"
[22:56] <rbastic> nathan312, can you use pastebin.com to paste your errors ?
[22:56] <juboba> subichan: just plug it in
[22:56] <mgmuscari> context switches occur many times per second
[22:56] <rbastic> nathan312, or some other means
[22:56] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: what is top?
[22:56] <nathan312> I'm currently on my PC with my netbook beside me. Is there anyway I can do that??
[22:56] <mgmuscari> open a gnome-terminal and execute top
[22:56] <juboba> Proumbro: Tablo of Processes
[22:56] <subichan> juboba: it's dead, it sees it when i plug it but i can't mount it to access the data through guy, i wanna try with terminal but i don't know a thing
[22:57] <erUSUL> htop is nicer
[22:57] <subichan> i thought i'd find it in /dev
[22:57] <rbastic> hrm, does ubuntu come with a standard GUI-based task killer at this point? or is there one out there that people here tend to like?
[22:57] <mgmuscari> ooh, i like htop. thanks, erUSUL
[22:57] <Proumbro> mgmuscari: essentially a read-only task manager
[22:57] <rbastic> i can get around np on the CLI (for 'top' and 'killall'/'kill -9') but from an end user perspective it'd be nice to have... i've got one convert friend who likes ubuntu but hates CLI
[22:57] <Proumbro> htop?
[22:58] <juboba> How do I restore the position of the Notitify-OSD on Lucid?
[22:58] <Dulak> rbastic: there is a panel app that lets you kill processes from the panel
[22:58] <juboba> subichan: what does dmesg say?
[22:58] <xangua> juboba: try this http://www.webupd8.org/2010/07/patched-notifyosd-updates-option-to.html
[22:58] <tensorpudding> rbastic: you can stop processes using the system monitor
[22:59] <nathan312> rbastic: give me one sec for pastebin.com
[22:59] <subichan> fat directory bread failed, i/o error, etc etc
[22:59] <erUSUL> Proumbro: not read only. you can kill processes from (h)top
[22:59] <subichan> lots of errors, juboba
[22:59] <Dulak> rbastic: right click a panel, choose add to panel, and choose 'Force Quit' from the list, then you can click that button, then click a misbehaving window to force it to die
[22:59] <tensorpudding> rbastic: it is rather similar to windows task manager
[22:59] <juboba> subichan: maybe it has a corrupt file system
[22:59] <juboba> How do I restore the position of the Notitify-OSD on Lucid?
[22:59] <juboba> does anybody know?
[23:00] <rbastic> System Monitor is more what I had in mind for an "End User"
[23:00] <juboba> ohh thanks xangua
[23:00] <rbastic> So I can tell him to just kill "npviewer.bin" once in a while if things seem to be chugging slowly
[23:00] <subichan> juboba: i'm afraid a virus on vista killed the filesystem.. but i need to at least make an image of the hdd
[23:01] <Proumbro> erUSUL: yeah im dling htop now I was talking about regular top
[23:01] <rbastic> subichan, have you tried booting into safe mode w/ networking?
[23:01] <subichan> rbastic: nope. what does that involve and how would it help me?
[23:02] <erUSUL> Proumbro: the same. press "k" enter pid to kill
[23:02] <Proumbro> erUSUL: you can also change the priorities from htop?? O_O
[23:03] <rbastic> subichan, if the viruses aren't too bad, you may be able to network the two boxes together and boot into Safe Mode w/ Networking via pressing F8 at boot-time... I used this to FTP the files off an old infected machine recently.
[23:03] <erUSUL> Proumbro: nice value? "man top" tells me r lets you renice a task
[23:03] <juboba> subichan: unplug the drive, replug it and do: dmesg | tail
[23:03] <erUSUL> Proumbro: you have to be the "owner" or root of course
[23:03] <rbastic> (ubuntu to windows, so no risk of cross-platform viruses really:) )
[23:04] <Proumbro> erUSUL: yeah the nice value, I'll have to look at the README more, but I think this is what I wanted thx very much
[23:04] <nathan312> rbastic: pastebin.com/MhAaMmk7
[23:04] <nathan312> rbastic: that's the errors I am getting
[23:04] <Milos_SD> that FloodBot has some bug... it wanted me to type a word that is on a image, but I didn't even opened the image... and it let me in :S
[23:04] <erUSUL> Proumbro: see « man schedtool »
[23:04] <Milos_SD> and I didn't typed the word
[23:04] <Milos_SD> :)
[23:05] <rbastic> nathan312, I'm no WINE expert, but my best guess is you need to 'cabextract' those DLLs into somewhere convenient.
[23:05] <nathan312> rbastic: um, i'm a newb lol, what does that mean?
[23:05] <subichan> juboba: a bunch of lines like this but with different numbers: [ 1890.696676] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 119224
[23:05] <Proumbro> erUSUL: what was that?
[23:06] <rbastic> nathan312, sec, I'm googling :p
[23:06] <erUSUL> Proumbro: what?
[23:06] <nathan312> rbastic: ok lol thanks
[23:06] <juboba> subichan: first create a /mnt/tmp dir or other. Then: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/tmp
[23:06] <rbastic> nathan312, you need to install http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks
[23:06] <nathan312> rbastic: ok lemme do that quick
[23:06] <erUSUL> !info winetricks | nathan312
[23:06] <rbastic> nathan312, then probably run 'winetricks msxml3' and 'wine /path/to/setup.exe' at a Terminal
[23:07] <rbastic> nathan312, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=4992
[23:07] <Proumbro> erUSUL nvm thanks for your help lol
[23:07] <nathan312> ubottu: that mean i cannot run office 07 thru wine on my netbook/
[23:07] <nathan312> ?
[23:07] <Heretic121> er...
[23:07] <nathan312> erUSUL: what?
[23:07] <erUSUL> nathan312: you have to get winetricks from somewhere else. i have the it in the wine ppa
[23:07] <Heretic121> why do you need office 07?
[23:08] <Heretic121> you could also just use OpenOffice
[23:08] <nathan312> erUSUL: i have no clue what that means...I'm a newb at this
[23:08] <mgmuscari> later all
[23:08] <erUSUL> nathan312: a ppa is a third party repositorie of software ...
[23:08] <nathan312> Heretic: i know, I have used openoffice, I just dont' like the powerpoint version of it. I like MS version of it much more
[23:08] <nathan312> erusul: ok
[23:08] <Dulak> nathan312: you can use native app OpenOffice to read and write Office 07 docs/spreadsheets etc
[23:09] <erUSUL> nathan312: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
[23:09] <nathan312> erusul: which do I do?
[23:09] <erUSUL> nathan312: « sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa » will add it to your sources. then run the update-manager
[23:09] <subichan> juboba: it mounted i think but ls won't work on temp
[23:09] <erUSUL> nathan312: then install winetricks if that's what you need
[23:10] <subichan> juboba when i type it and press enter the hd led goes off
[23:10] <nathan312> erusul: so do that sudo apt-add first, THEN install winetricks from that site you gave me?
[23:11] <erUSUL> nathan312: no; once you add-apt-reository and used the update-manager you will be able to install winetricks from the software center
[23:11] <rbastic> yay, another 25mb of updates... :p
[23:11] <forceflow> I like the spambot-checker :)
[23:11] <noip> Where is the .login for ubuntu?
[23:11] <nathan312> erusul: ok so download ppa:ubuntu-win/ppa from online then do add-apt-repository?
[23:12] <FunkyDude> Can anyone recommend how to test web pages in IE6, I was using IETester in Win which worked good, I can probably run it under Wine if I have to.
[23:12] <erUSUL> nathan312: no; run this in a temrinal « sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa »
[23:12] <eduardo> Hi guys, i have a really weird problem going on with my laptop, its running Lucid Lynx and it is on a Toshiba Satellite.. uhh does anyone have spare time to help me out here?
[23:12] <erUSUL> !terminal | nathan312
[23:12] <rbastic> FunkyDude, can try 'ies4linux' (which depends on WINE), I've had *limited* success with it. Mouse cursor problems on my version.
[23:12] <juboba> subichan: do you want to rescue data from it?
[23:13] <alzie> nathan312: you can use playonlinux from synaptic.  Its a front end for wine that helps install office 07
[23:13] <nathan312> erusul: i did and it gave me an error
[23:13] <eduardo> Anyone? :/
[23:13] <subichan> juboba: yes! that's what i need to do. i just want to save the data
[23:13] <erUSUL> nathan312: what error?
[23:13] <rbastic> eduardo, what is wrong ?
[23:13] <nunya> HELLO ALL
[23:13] <Chr|s> !ask | eduardo
[23:13] <nathan312> erusul: nvm it did it now
[23:13] <nathan312> erusul: ok, now what?
[23:14] <eduardo> well, for some reason I cant click on anything, it just drags the window around when i click and hold it down
[23:14] <juboba> subichan: what happens when you plug it in a windows box?
[23:14] <rbastic> eduardo, is the alt key stuck?
[23:14] <erUSUL> nathan312: System>Admin...>update manager
[23:14] <nathan312> erusul: ok
[23:14] <yeshuah> can anyone point me to a short to-the-point guide to setup dns on a vps?
[23:14] <subichan> juboba: it hangs "My Computer" for like 20 mins and then tells me i should format it
[23:15] <eduardo> I dont know, last thing i did was run the sugar emulator, it told me to press ctrl shift and then after i closed down sugar the clicking was all weird, i tried to click on a jpg but it just dragged the window
[23:15] <noip> Anyone know where the .login file is in Ubuntu?
[23:15] <noip> I'm getting this error trying to run an app: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or direc
[23:15] <rbastic> eduardo, does restarting fix this problem?
[23:15] <eduardo> I've had to press ctrl or alt when i want to click on something and its getting a little anoying
[23:15] <nathan312> erusul: i'm in update manager
[23:15] <eduardo> no, i've restarted multiple times just to make sure
[23:16] <rbastic> eduardo, does uninstalling sugar fix it?
[23:16] <erUSUL> nathan312: run an update.
[23:16] <eduardo> I have not actually tried it yet let me try
[23:16] <rbastic> The nested X server is probably having a problem? :p
[23:16] <ohad> can anyone tell me the name of the program that's here on the right side and shows details about the system: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iYgJ1nxfX9w/TCXpxtLbr2I/AAAAAAAAAZY/ncnegfj_TNc/s1600/Screenshot.png  ?
[23:16] <eduardo> you know, i actually dont kno how to uninstall programs, aha
[23:16] <nathan312> erusul: Failed to fetch htpp://ppa.launchpad/net/ubuntu-win/ppa/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[23:17] <juboba> subichan: damn, maybe you should try a special rescue software
[23:17] <Sterist> new security updates out, check your manager
[23:17] <mattgyver> ohad, its called conky
[23:17] <rbastic> eduardo, Applications->Accessories->Terminal
[23:17] <erUSUL> nathan312: are you sure you did not made a typo when running the command?
[23:17] <rbastic> eduardo, $ sudo apt-get remove sugar xserver-zephyr
[23:18] <ohad> mattgyver, and the dock thing on the bottom is dockey?
[23:18] <eduardo> thanks! i'll try that now
[23:18] <mattgyver> ohad, yeah looks like docky-do perhaps
[23:18] <nathan312> erusul: well it's updating: ttf-symbol replacement, wine, wine1.2, wintricks (new install), and wisotool (new install). is that all right?
[23:19] <erUSUL> nathan312: yes; now ( when the update finishes ) you will be able to install winetricks
[23:19] <mattgyver> ohad, i mean gnome-do
[23:19] <erUSUL> nathan312: good luck
[23:19] <nathan312> erusul: from this; sudo apt-get install winetricks
[23:19] <nathan312> ?
[23:19] <eduardo> i got an error saying it couldnt find xserver-zephyr
[23:19] <erUSUL> nathan312: that should work yes
[23:20] <nathan312> erusul: then i can do my: cd OFFICE12->wine setup.exe and be good to go?
[23:20] <david_> Upgraded from 8.04 to 10.04 and I can't get Firefox of Evolution: error message like  locale not supported by C library and None of the authentication protocols specified are supported. What does it mean and how do I fix it?
[23:20] <ohad> I have gnome-do but for some reason I don't have the option of laying the icons in 3d like this guy has
[23:21] <erUSUL> nathan312: i dunno; what the original problem was... i just helped you install winetricks 00:06 < rbastic> nathan312, you need to install http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks <<< it sounded that you needed it
[23:21] <nunya> S.O.S. HELP  I can't reinstall Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx LTS........ When I put in the disc and restart my dell 1525 laptop and enter boot menu and can select my rom drive and boot the disc but once it runs through a series of comands and such it comes to a very default looking login screen and after i ckilc the login button then enter my user name a password it says authentification failed. all i am able to do from here is select the shutdo
[23:21] <nunya> wn icon in the bottem left and hit suspend, restart or shut down. i just want to get a fresh install. any help would be great
[23:21] <overflow0x> can i change the "black square rectangle" that forms while "minimizing" window in GNOME?
[23:21] <rbastic> erUSUL, nathan312 he was trying for Office 2007
[23:21] <nathan312> erusul: ok thanks lol
[23:21] <mattgyver> ohad, not too sure.  Ive seen this kind of layout a few times and it deffinately looks like gnome-do im not sure what theme they are using though
[23:21] <rbastic> i pointed him at the winehq.org app support page, there's a whole other slew of instructions he needs to follow potentially
[23:21] <eduardo> is there a way to remove a program other than the terminal?
[23:21] <mattgyver> ohad, unless im an idiot and its just avant window navigator (which i use) with a custom theme
[23:22] <jrib> nunya: the install disc doesn't ask for a password.  You have a bad disc if it is
[23:22] <rbastic> eduardo, System->Preferences->Synaptic Package Manager
[23:22] <erUSUL> nathan312: anyway; you now have a nwer version of wine. maybe now it works with any tinkering...
[23:22] <nathan312> rbastic: oh great lol
[23:22] <rbastic> nathan312, yes, it looked quite arduous. i just installed msxml3 easily enough after following erUSUL's injstructions for installing winetricks
[23:22] <rbastic> literally just 'winetricks msxml3' from the command line and an installer will pop up. So that's probably step 1.
[23:23] <nathan312> ok cool, thanks
[23:23] <eduardo> Rbastic, i got it uninstalled now and the problem is still there :/
[23:23] <nunya> i only recently switch to ubuntu a few months ago and used this very same disc to install on both my laptop and on my desktop.
[23:23] <jrib> nunya: did it ask you for a password then...?
[23:23] <overflow0x> can i change the "black square rectangle" that forms while "minimizing" window in GNOME?
[23:23] <nathan312> rbastic: that code you gave me just gave me a SLEW of errors lol
[23:24] <rbastic> 'winetricks msxml3' ?
[23:24] <nathan312> rbastic: yes
[23:24] <rbastic> eduardo, I don't know. Sounds like you changed something still or haven't uninstalled *everything*. You might be able to restore your original X config file if you're lucky.
[23:25] <VCoolio> overflow0x: you can set visual effects to something better than 'none' and the animation will improve much if your videocard is ok with it
[23:25] <rbastic> eduardo, i can help you look to see what backup X config files you have, that's easy enough.
[23:25] <eduardo> rbastic, that would be great!
[23:25] <rbastic> nathan312, you shouldn't have any problems installing msxml3 if you have wine and everything else installed
[23:25] <nathan312> rbastic: i did what you guys told me lol...umm...lemme look
[23:25] <ohad> one more thing, I installed conky, but I can't find it in the menu, and if I go to terminal and type conky, it loads but I have to have the terminal open all the time and I can't even move the conky screen. what am I doing wrong?
[23:26] <rbastic> eduardo, get a Terminal open again and type: cd /etc/X11
[23:26] <rbastic> eduardo, then type ls
[23:26] <VCoolio> ohad: you need to create a nifty config file, then run that; also 'nohup conky &' will enable to close the terminal
[23:26] <eduardo> hmm, says no such directory when i do cd /etc/x11
[23:26] <nunya> no, and when it boots it takes a long time to get to this aformentioned login screen, if i hit the ecs key i can see the terminal and it looks like ubuntu is trying to install but sudo or something is not allowing it to saying unknown user or something like that
[23:26] <overflow0x> VCoolio, when i enable effects i get buggy graphics e.g. VLC and totem quits sometimes as soon as i start a video, also i get black color instead of menu buttons, which goes away when i hover mouse on it
[23:26] <rbastic> eduardo, capital X
[23:27] <erUSUL> eduardo: is capital X
[23:27] <eduardo> rbastic woops! haha sorry
[23:27] <rbastic> no worries
[23:27] <rbastic> once you see :/etc/X11$ at the end of your command prompt
[23:27] <jrib> nunya: do what I first told you
[23:27] <rbastic> type 'ls' (no quotes)
[23:27] <eduardo> ok, got it
[23:27] <VCoolio> overflow0x: then the answer is no, you can't change the rectangle; metacity is very basic; with visual effects you have compiz as window manager which is much more customizable
[23:28] <rbastic> you should be looking for the existence of files like xorg.conf.backup, xorg.conf-backup-100908194324 (example numbers, yours will vary), xorg.conf-failsafe ... etc.
[23:28] <jrib> nunya: i.e. reburn the disc and verify the integrity of the cd afterwards
[23:28] <jrib> !verify > nunya
[23:28] <rbastic> eduardo, how many of these types of files do you have?
[23:28] <overflow0x> VCoolio, how can i fix the bugs in compiz then?
[23:28] <ohad> I'm sort of newbie.. Is there a gui for handling this?
[23:28] <picard1400> hey guys im trying to mount a network drive
[23:28] <picard1400> im running into this error
[23:28] <overflow0x> radeon hd 3470 VCoolio
[23:28] <eduardo> i dont see any that say backup on them
[23:29] <VCoolio> overflow0x: ok, I don't know about that; ask how to fix compiz on that card here
[23:29] <rbastic> eduardo, what about a failsafe?
[23:29] <eduardo> would it say failsafe in the filename?
[23:29] <rbastic> yes
[23:29] <eduardo> nope
[23:29] <rbastic> eduardo, okay, type ps -efww | grep "zephyr"
[23:29] <eduardo> i think imscrewed :/
[23:30] <rbastic> eduardo, do you see zephyr still running?
[23:30] <VCoolio> ohad: http://conky.linux-hardcore.com/ and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865
[23:30] <overflow0x> how to fix compiz on radeon hd 3470, bugs are : 1. VLC, totem sometimes "quits" immediately when i start a video, also i see "black" color instead of "menu" buttons, which goes away when i hover my "mouse pointer" over it.
[23:30] <eduardo> one sec
[23:30] <picard1400> hey guys im getting this error when mounting a drive?? http://pastebin.com/vs6k7HR0
[23:30] <rbastic> it will look maybe like this: eduardo 12432 13345  0 18:29 pts/5   00:00:00 zephyr (or something) when you type the ps command
[23:30] <eduardo> so i type ps -efww | grep "zephyr" ?
[23:30] <rbastic> yes
[23:30] <VCoolio> ohad: find a decent config that more or less suits you, then edit that; run 'conky -c /path/to/configfile' so it uses it
[23:30] <rbastic> you're looking to see if zephyr is still running
[23:30] <BitEncrypt> anybody willing to take the time to help install a driver
[23:31] <eduardo> zephyr not found
[23:31] <DawnLight> hey folks. i have a question about the encrypted homes setup, please. i would like to know how come this setup is supposed to protect my data in case my machine is stolen when the user's password can easily be changed by root?
[23:31] <rbastic> eduardo, hrm, i am not sure. but this worked before you installed/ran sugar?
[23:31] <nunya> ok I will download a new copy as the original was destroyed on last refomat in error. once I remount ISO to disc and comfirm integrity and it does the same thing?
[23:31] <zeknox> everytime I reboot my laptop it says the drive was not cleantly unmounted, any reason why this would be?
[23:31] <eduardo> rbastic yes, it happened shorly after extiting sugar, it say (hold ctrl + shift to grab keyboard and mouse)
[23:32] <eduardo> it said when it booted sugar up*
[23:32] <overflow0x> how to fix compiz on radeon hd 3470, bugs are : 1. VLC, totem sometimes "quits" immediately when i start a video, also 2. i see "black" color instead of "menu" buttons, which goes away when i hover my "mouse pointer" over it.
[23:32] <eduardo> then i closed it down after pressing ctrl shift t release the mouse and clickign on the "x" later on i tried clicking an icon in the home folder and itdragged dthe window
[23:33] <ohad> the reason why I can't watch the images on ubuntuforums.org is that I'm not a registered member?
[23:34] <rbastic> eduardo, i am not particularly familiar with Sugar ... how did you install this exactly?
[23:34] <VCoolio> ohad: ah, yes
[23:34] <eduardo> rbastic, from the ubuntu software center
[23:34] <rbastic> eduardo, oh, haha, you could've uninstalled it from there :-/
[23:34] <picard1400> anyone??
[23:34] <picard1400> http://pastebin.com/vs6k7HR0
[23:35] <VCoolio> overflow0x: maybe this helps? just googling: http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9685836
[23:35] <eduardo> rbastic, yeah that what i did since it removed its extra files
[23:36] <puma> hi
[23:36] <rbastic> eduardo, then a reboot should've fixed everything, i think. :-/ not sure why you're still having this problem.
[23:36] <AndrewMC> !hi | puma
[23:36] <puma> hi
[23:36] <puma> sup
[23:37] <eduardo> rbastic, alright well thanks anyways
[23:37] <puma> never used irc befor
[23:37] <overflow0x> how to fix compiz on radeon hd 3470, bugs are : 1. VLC, totem sometimes "quits" immediately when i start a video, also 2. i see "black" color instead of "menu" buttons, which goes away when i hover my "mouse pointer" over it.
[23:37] <plovs> hi! i am running 10.10 beta, and have a hang at "Checking bettery state" anybody know how to get past this?, i can't even get to grub
[23:38] <AndrewMC> plovs: please head to #ubuntu+1 for 10.10 questions
[23:38] <plovs> AndrewMC: thanks!
[23:38] <Pertheria> is there some simple way to get workspace switcher to show the previews in 10.10? i know the feature was there automatically in previous ubuntus, but it isnt enabled and i'm not seein option?
[23:39] <rbastic> Pertheria, please head to #ubuntu+1 for 10.10 questions
[23:39] <AndrewMC> Pertheria: are you talking about the thing in the menu bar?
[23:39] <bluz> hi
[23:39] <Pertheria> on the bottom taskbar
[23:40] <rbastic> !hi | bliz
[23:40] <AndrewMC> Pertheria: right click> add to panel> (bottom of list) workspace switcher
[23:40] <bluz> I have a problem with my wireless card, it's Realtek RTL8191SE, I can see networks (iwlist wlan0 scan works) but I can't connect to networks.
[23:40] <bluz> Anyone?
[23:40] <FunkyDude> when you wget something in terminal, where does it go?
[23:40] <rbastic> FunkyDude, in the current working directory
[23:40] <Pertheria> the panel is there, but it doesnt show the preview is the issue
[23:41] <Pertheria> its just a blank "window" but i'll go to right channel ;)
[23:41] <AndrewMC> Pertheria: add that to the panel and right click> Move if it isnt in the right spot and right click> lock to pannel if you want it to not move
[23:41] <nunya> i'm about 98% certain my disc is fine but am downloading a new image now. is there anything you can think of that would cause the live CD to go to a paswrd protected interface?
[23:42] <bluz> Hey, I have a problem with my wireless card, it's Realtek RTL8191SE, I can see networks (iwlist wlan0 scan works) but I can't connect to networks.
[23:43] <braxton> I can't hold a key down and move my mouse simultaneously.
[23:43] <braxton> How can I solve this?
[23:43] <braxton> I would like to be able to play games which require doing so.
[23:43] <mattgyver> bluz, how are you trying to connect, via network manager or with iwconfig
[23:43] <bluz> I tried both.
[23:43] <BitEncrypt> what does this mean
[23:43] <BitEncrypt> Desktop/Linux/rhine_main.c:630: error: implicit declaration of function ‘SET_MODULE_OWNER’
[23:44] <bluz> Sometimes the connection success, but it disconnect after few minutes.
[23:44] <rbastic> bluz, the entire web seems to be having your problem with this particular card :)
[23:44] <bluz> Yeah, I know :< just hope someone has the sulution :<
[23:46] <Vooloo> how do I know what icons are used by the current theme? what directory
[23:46] <politrix> BitEncrypt, it's a compile error
[23:47] <rbastic> bluz, not sure on 10.04... but look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/401126
[23:48] <BitEncrypt> politrix, can you help with it
[23:48] <BitEncrypt> politrix, its a dlink driver
[23:49] <UncleD> I'm doing a substite in a scripting language of this text: Your mind hears Name thinking, "<to you>" "Message"   using this regex: #subs {^Your mind hears (.+) thinking, \"\<to you\>\" \"([^\"]+)\"$} {$1-to-you: $2}     So anyway... The problem is when the "Message" contains quotes, it doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[23:49] <bluz> any hopes the win2k driver will work on ndiswrapper? :<
[23:50] <rbastic> bluz, try it, you won't know until you try
[23:50] <NoobuntU1983> Jrib. It is I asking about the reinstall issues
[23:50] <bluz> already tried using the winxp driver, but ok, i'll try that too. thanks :)
[23:50] <rbastic> bluz, keep reading
[23:51] <rbastic> bluz, halfway down the page someone named 'david woo' has a driver posted that some people seemed to like also
[23:52] <bluz> the weird thing is that my driver works, i'm able to search for networks, and sometimes even connect to networks, but the connection is mighty unstable.
[23:53] <rbastic> bluz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/401126/comments/298
[23:53] <bluz> and david woo's driver is the one that built in ubuntu 10.04, the one that i'm using right now.
[23:54] <bluz> I tried turning off the encryption in my router, but still nothing.
[23:54] <Serpher> Anybody want to give me a hand? I tried to install burg, but now when I boot I get the grub command line and no easy way to boot. I'm using a live CD now on the same PC.
[23:54] <bluz> I'll try the win2k driver.
[23:54] <rbastic> bluz, have you read this? this seems to be newer info summing up the situation: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8957805
[23:56] <braxton> I can't move my mouse and hold down a key simultaneously. Are there any solutions for this?
[23:56] <rbastic> bluz, oh woops that's for 9.x
[23:56] <FunkyDude> how do i update Wine
[23:56] <bluz> yeah, 10.04 already have that driver built in.
[23:56] <braxton> FunkyDude: sudo apt-get install Wine
[23:56] <braxton> Should update it.
[23:57] <randomOfAmber> hello, if I wanted to sandbox a program to see what it does, how could I do that?
[23:57] <randomOfAmber> (or what it wants to do)
[23:58] <rbastic> randomOfAmber, there's a lot of answers to that question :)
[23:58] <randomOfAmber> I know xD, I have a friend that gave me a puzzle, he wants me to run it as root and see what it does o.O
[23:58] <rbastic> randomOfAmber, emulators OR chroot jails (although emulator would definitely be the safest)
[23:59] <randomOfAmber> even if I do a livecd, how will I know? should I use tripwire... or is there a better/more intutive way?
[23:59] <rbastic> livecd isn't a good idea, you wouldn't truly be safe


[02:47] <head_victim> ikt: cheers for the cleanup
[02:51] <sagaci> damnit, royally screwed up the time for the jam on l.u.c
[02:51] <sagaci> it's UTC, not GMT+10
[02:52] <sagaci> head_victim, maybe when you changed the default time, it changed the event time :/
[02:52] <sagaci> didn't think about that
[02:53] <head_victim> sagaci: I was woken up by reminders on my phone last night
[02:53] <head_victim> :/
[02:53] <sagaci> yeah, I think that's what's happened
[02:53] <sagaci> it's come off the ubuntu-au default timezone which was set to GMT
[02:54] <head_victim> Yeah but I don't know how you did it because everything I ever set up was wrong despite the default
[02:54] <head_victim> The only way I got it right was change the venue to +10 as well
[02:54] <head_victim> But now that appears to ahve screwed up the ones you'd organised.
[02:55] <benonsoftware> So what time will the translation jam start at? 3am GMT?
[02:57] <head_victim> benonsoftware: I believe so
[02:57] <benonsoftware> Ok, cool
[04:10] <sagaci> yeah so 4pm NSW time, as I had on the wiki
[04:11] <jaddi27> sagaci: what is at 4pm?
[04:11] <jaddi27> isn't translations happening now? (I missed the start though)
[04:12] <head_victim> jaddi27: just when we'd thought we'd fixed loco.u.c apparently I'd stuffed it :/
[04:12] <jaddi27> the times are wrong I know
[04:12] <jaddi27> but I didn't see when it started
[04:12] <head_victim> I've given up on getting the ical to do what it's meant to do I think.
[04:13] <head_victim> Open to suggestion but I had tried everything I could think of to make it work and it hasn't.
[04:13] <jaddi27> Yes, I think that is about right.
[04:13] <head_victim> I don't know why though. No one else seems to be having problems so I had just thought that perhaps it was just me stuffing it up.
[04:13] <jaddi27> I might try to read the code again and work it out
[04:13] <head_victim> None of the other locos seem to mention it
[04:14] <jaddi27> Do the other locos use the ical much?
[04:14] <sagaci> the translation jam
[04:14] <sagaci> and the materials at 9pm
[04:14] <sagaci> NSW time
[04:14] <jaddi27> Oh, I thought the translations jam was from 2-5 NSW time
[04:16] <sagaci> nah, I had it on 3-5am UTC on the wiki and copied that to the l.u.c entry
[04:16] <sagaci> but head_victim changed the #ubuntu-au channel time default to gmt+10 but I forgot to adjust it
[04:17] <sagaci> forgot/didn't realise
[04:17] <jaddi27> ok
[04:17] <head_victim> Yeah but still that doesn't seem to make sense on the ical stuff I get.
[04:18] <sagaci> what do you mean?
[04:18] <jaddi27> I have the wrong times on the Facebook events as well then
[04:18] <head_victim> I was woken at 11pm and 4am with 1 hour reminders
[04:18] <head_victim> So even if oyu add +10 to that it's still wrong.
[04:19] <jaddi27> Yes. What if you do -10 to the times
[04:20] <head_victim> Ubuntu-AU en_AU Translation Jam
[04:20] <head_victim> Sat, 3 March, 23:00 – Sun, 4 March, 01:00
[04:20] <head_victim> THat's what my google ical feed says :/
[04:20] <sagaci> heh
[04:20] <sagaci> weird
[04:21] <head_victim> So + or - 10 is still wrong
[04:21] <jaddi27> yes, it is quite odd
[04:21] <sagaci> translation jam is in around 40 mins
[04:21] <sagaci> just to clear the air
[04:22] <benonsoftware> Ok
[04:22] <head_victim> So yeah I thought it was at 1pm utc+10
[04:22]  * head_victim failes
[04:22] <jaddi27> Ok. I will be out at the start of it, but will be back later
[04:22] <head_victim> failed*
[04:23] <head_victim> Yeah I will be back mid session I'd say
[04:23] <head_victim> sagaci: I assume you were just going to work throuhg some universe packages?
[04:23] <benonsoftware> I should be here all session
[04:27]  * jaddi27 will be back in a while
[04:28] <sagaci> head_victim, I was going to go through fixing some of the mistakes and a few universe packages, yeah
[04:29] <head_victim> sagaci: good stuff. I like jaddi27 will be back about half way through I'd say
[04:29] <head_victim> sorry, I thought I was going to make this one until I stuffed up all the times
[04:29] <sagaci> disregarding ical, I think these things should be in local time
[04:30] <head_victim> The problem is for the irc channel, what is local time? We go across up to 5 tz's in summer
[04:31] <sagaci> I'll be back for the jam
[05:04] <benonsoftware> Jam Time? :D
[05:07] <sagaci> ok, translation jam...
[05:07] <sagaci> #startmeeting translation jam
[05:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Mar  3 05:07:49 2012 UTC.  The chair is sagaci. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[05:07] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[05:10] <sagaci> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1463/detail/
[05:12] <sagaci> you can participate by fixing the strings already in launchpad by searching strings... http://people.ubuntu.com/~jpickett/translations/en_AU-20120302.tar.gz or you can translate packages from universe that are listed here -- https://translations.launchpad.net/translations/+products-with-translations
[05:13] <sagaci> note that these packages aren't all from universe in ubuntu but if you trawl through the lists and see a project you like or is in ubuntu universe, it would be nice to translate them too
[05:14] <sagaci> a word substitution table can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution
[05:19] <benonsoftware> sagaci: I have a question, .po files what where do I enter the translations?
[05:20] <sagaci> are you adding new translations or fixing them
[05:20] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Well its not Ubuntu related but it would be new translations
[05:22] <sagaci> usually .po files have a msgid and a msgstr
[05:22] <sagaci> you put your translation into the msgstr field
[05:22] <benonsoftware> Ok, thanks
[05:23] <sagaci> but if it's a project translatable on launchpad, I'd be inclined to just use the web interface
[05:23] <benonsoftware> Yes, I always do that
[05:29] <sagaci> first package and it has a bug -- https://translations.launchpad.net/drapes/trunk/+pots/drapes/en_AU/4/+translate
[05:34] <sagaci> should have had a bug jam after this
[06:16] <head_victim> sagaci: so with the file on your people.u.c site, if I extract it what you're proposing is something like "grep /path/to/extracted/files *common misspelling*"
[06:17] <head_victim> And then do you head back to launchpad to update the string?
[06:17] <jaddi27> sagaci: I am here now
[06:19] <jaddi27> switching to ubuntu - back soon
[06:23] <sagaci> head_victim, cd ~/pathtopo/*; grep -i "centre" ./* > centre
[06:23] <sagaci> head_victim, then grep -i "msgstr" centre >> result
[06:23] <sagaci> less result
[06:24] <sagaci> obviously search for center
[06:24] <head_victim> Ok, I did a search for trash even and found a fair few results
[06:24] <sagaci> seaching for alog will get dialog, analog, etc
[06:24] <sagaci> wastebin/basket
[06:24] <sagaci> just look down the word substitution list and pick out common strings
[06:24] <sagaci> brb
[06:24] <head_victim> Ok thats because they're all showing up in the msgid
[06:25] <jaddi27> sagaci, What would you like me to look at (when you are ready)
[06:25] <head_victim> Starting to make sense :)
[06:25] <head_victim> jaddi27: http://paste.ubuntu.com/866256/
[06:26] <head_victim> Give you an idea of the plan of attack
[06:27] <jaddi27> Ok. Are certain people doing certain strings via grep?
[06:27] <head_victim> Not that I'm aware of, feel free to suggest them as you do them
[06:27] <jaddi27> Ok
[06:32] <sagaci> head_victim, yeah then you do that list and search for msgstr
[06:32] <sagaci> I've done a few a while back but it would be wise to start a table/list
[06:33] <sagaci> if you're working on a big screen it's also a good idea to open batch=300's of the templates so you can easily find/fix them in lp
[06:39] <head_victim> Ok, I coupled 2 greps together to give me a reasonable output "grep 'string' /path/to/extracted/dir/* | grep 'msgstr'"
[06:41] <head_victim> Is it worth adding a column to the wordsub table for "date checked" and "who by" ?
[06:41] <head_victim> Instead of creating a whole other list of checked ones?
[06:52] <jaddi27> head_victim, I think that could be useful
[06:52] <jaddi27> where is that table again?
[06:55] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution
[06:55] <head_victim> Didn't we set up an enau one though?
[06:55] <jaddi27> Yes, we did somewhere. I will have a look for it
[06:56] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation/WordSubstitution
[06:56] <jaddi27> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Translation/TranslationChecklist
[06:58] <sagaci> obviously strings like ize will get false positives like size but it's not too big of a deal
[06:58] <sagaci> I've done strings like colour, dialog and honour
[07:28] <head_victim> I've done a fair few now and not finding any in the files, awesome stuff :)
[07:45] <benonsoftware> So with the confusion what time is the Materials Jam on?
[07:46] <sagaci> 9pm nsw
[07:46] <benonsoftware> Well I might have to skip it, however I will certainly read the logs
[07:47] <sagaci> ok then I'll be working towards making a release poster for the sydney event
[07:48] <benonsoftware> Ok
[07:49] <benonsoftware> btw is it me or is the website down?
[07:52] <head_victim> Crap, it is again.
[07:53] <head_victim> I'm going to file an RT as this is a bit ongoing.
[07:53] <head_victim> And they still haven't pointed .com.au to it either
[07:54] <sagaci> march and still website issues?
[07:55] <head_victim> Well the actual website isn't an issue, the hosting appears to have changed in stability from the previous install.
[08:20] <head_victim> bradm: I do recall you asking to be pinged if we saw more issues with the website.
[08:21] <head_victim> Not sure if that's still the case but we're getting "Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_init_path() in /srv/drupal-locoteams/www6/includes/bootstrap.inc on line 1212" appearing multiple times lately for bits and pieces here and there
[08:37] <benonsoftware> Isn't the meeting still going? :D
[09:00] <bradm> head_victim: might be worth throwing that into a RT
[09:20] <head_victim> bradm: no worries. Not sure why but it's happened multiple times now. Sometimes I have to bug people to get it fixed other times it fixes without my intervention
[09:23] <head_victim> I'm going to start a new one, the original website upgrade has actually been done I guess.
[09:33] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Did you end the bot?
[09:33] <sagaci> nope
[09:33] <sagaci> #vote end meeting?
[09:33] <meetingology> Please vote on: end meeting?
[09:33] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[09:33] <sagaci> +1
[09:33] <meetingology> +1 received from sagaci
[09:33] <sagaci> #endvote
[09:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: end meeting?
[09:33] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[09:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[09:33] <sagaci> #endmeeting
[09:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Mar  3 09:33:59 2012 UTC.
[09:33] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-03-03-05.07.moin.txt
[09:33] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-03-03-05.07.html
[09:34] <sagaci> time to rediscover my inkscape and impress skillz
[09:35] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:36] <head_victim> I just wish I had an ounce of creativity.
[09:36]  * benonsoftware has none
[09:36] <head_victim> bradm: RT 19390 if you needed/wanted it
[09:59] <airtonix> head_victim: i recently released this django site made with inkscape : http://www.flowersbyrita.com.au/
[10:00] <head_victim> airtonix: nice work
[10:00] <airtonix> i've got some other killer designs ready to use, but rules of our company etc
[10:05] <sagaci> #startmeeting materials jam
[10:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Mar  3 10:05:18 2012 UTC.  The chair is sagaci. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[10:05] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[10:06] <sagaci> This links up with the artwork jam that other teams have run in the past but I guess I wanted to make it broad enough for all ubuntu flyers/posters/artwork/etc
[10:07] <airtonix> head_victim: we've elected to make heavy use of the new css framework called bootstrap. it's pretty awesome (doubly so when you use lesscss)
[10:07] <airtonix> head_victim: http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/
[10:08] <sagaci> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-au/1500/detail/
[10:08] <benonsoftware> I have to go now but I will read the logs tomorrow morning
[10:09] <sagaci> no worries
[10:12] <airtonix> sagaci: do you have any kind of wording or guidlines that artwork should contain?
[10:15] <sagaci> jaddi27 should be able to help you out with that
[10:16] <jaddi27> yep, I can help with guidelines on logos
[10:17] <jaddi27> Logos and colours: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-logo-and-circle-of-friends/
[10:17] <jaddi27> Brand Guidelines: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/
[10:18] <jaddi27> Trademark policy: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy
[10:18] <jaddi27> Logo guidelines (The important one to read for this, I think): http://design.ubuntu.com/assets/ubuntu-logo
[10:18] <jaddi27> Other Artwork (kubuntu, xubuntu, etc): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[10:19] <jaddi27> Basically you just need to read the logo guidelines (for spacing requirements), and make sure that you are not using the logo or Ubuntu name in a bad way
[10:19] <jaddi27> For the promotional material, we should be fine using the logos
[10:27] <sagaci> jaddi27, where can one get the animal photos
[10:27] <sagaci> lynx, meerkat, pangolin?
[10:27] <jaddi27> Um, I haven't actually seen them yet. I will have a look
[10:29] <jaddi27> sagaci, You can go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames, which links to the wikipedia page for each animal. Maybe those images would be alright?
[10:30] <sagaci> yeah, I was meaning more of the animal artwork they have on the official ubuntu shirts
[10:33] <head_victim> I don't think they actually release that artwork, but then again I'm not sure anyone has asked
[10:35] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/jgOKX.png head_victim
[10:37] <head_victim> Hah well there you go.
[10:37] <jaddi27> sagaci, Good to see you found some
[10:38] <sagaci> google images <33
[10:38] <head_victim> I'd also highly recommend using spreadubuntu to host the created content as well
[10:39] <head_victim> I pilfer heaps of stuff from there.
[10:40] <sagaci> taking note of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Precise
[10:41] <jaddi27> perfect
[10:46] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/TcRsy.png
[10:55] <head_victim> sagaci: you using the ubuntu fonts?
[10:56] <sagaci> ubuntu and ubuntu condensed
[10:56] <head_victim> It looks a little narrow, ahh condensed makes sense then
[10:56] <sagaci> i'll just get rid of the middle cirlce
[10:56] <sagaci> circle
[10:59] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/qaM10.png
[11:17] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/VxQfI.png
[11:27] <sagaci> #endmeeting
[11:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Mar  3 11:27:05 2012 UTC.
[11:27] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-03-03-10.05.moin.txt
[11:27] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2012/ubuntu-au.2012-03-03-10.05.html
[11:27] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/LfDub.png -- head_victim
[11:27] <head_victim> Haha
[11:34] <sagaci> http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/1204-sydney-release-party
[11:45] <head_victim> jaddi27:  bug 786322 and bug 610416 might be related
[11:45] <head_victim> Forgot -chat didn't have the bots
[11:45] <head_victim> looking at 610416 starting aroudn comment 18
[11:48] <jaddi27> Yes, that would be a related issue
[11:49] <jaddi27> I will keep reading the code for a bit - I just installed pytz to experiment with it
[11:49] <jaddi27> I know from work that timezones are extremely annoying to deal with
[11:51] <head_victim> I don't code with time zones but I already know that they're annoying :/
[11:52] <jaddi27> head_victim, I think we should use 'Australia/Brisbane' for everything from now on - it is better than 'Etc/GMT+10'
[11:54] <jaddi27> head_victim, http://paste.ubuntu.com/866538/
[11:54] <jaddi27> That should give an example of why things have appeared as '-1000' when using 'Etc/GMT+10'
[11:54] <head_victim> jaddi27: I was hoping to avoid using a set location on the basis it might upset those not in the location. That's why I was using the _10 because at least that just means most people fall udner that most of the year.
[11:55] <jaddi27> Yes, that is a good idea
[11:55] <jaddi27> I will try out 'Etc/gmt-10' and see what it does
[11:56] <jaddi27> Ok. Using 'Etc/gmt-10' does what we want
[11:56] <jaddi27> Somehow it seems to be back to front
[11:57] <jaddi27> Here is an explanation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/pytz/+bug/786022
[12:00] <jaddi27> Based on a couple of pages I have just read, it seems that the 'etc/...' timezones are legacy ones that should not be used where possible
[12:00] <head_victim> Well that does explain things
[12:00] <jaddi27> So while it is not the best, using brisbane might be the best option
[12:01] <jaddi27> or we could use sydney, but i don't really want to add potential DST issues in as well
[12:01] <head_victim> Well would it be ok to use the -10 as the team default and create events in local time?
[12:01] <head_victim> And set the irc channel to -10?
[12:01] <jaddi27> We should be able to. The only issue is that it might show 'etc/gmt-10' which would confuse people
[12:02] <head_victim> Hm I guess I can ask the question as to if they use DST or not if you set it as a location
[12:03] <jaddi27> Based on what I know of pytz, it automatically uses DST
[12:04] <jaddi27> so if you set it to Sydney, it would automatically use DST when it starts for the year
[12:04] <head_victim> Ok, and loco.u.c just dropped you both as admins again
[12:04] <jaddi27> Yes, I saw that. It is a fun system to use
[12:06] <head_victim> Ok, but as long as people set events at the right time and we set the team default and irc to the -10 (with an explanation of why) the other events with different tz should work still?
[12:09] <jaddi27> I think so. I am still to read that section of code, but I assume that would be the case
[12:10] <jaddi27> head_victim, I think you added us to the wrong section - We should be admins, not contacts
[12:12] <head_victim> Sorry, also updated the irc and team defaults to the -10
[12:13] <head_victim> Oh and TAH DAH it's put your wiki jam at 1030 :)
[12:13] <head_victim> And the irc meeting at 2000 correctly
[12:13] <jaddi27> I just changed it to be that
[12:13] <jaddi27> so the wiki jam is not quite a good test
[12:19] <head_victim> Just waiting for my google calendar to update to see if it works
[12:22] <jaddi27> The ical feed has definitely changed in places, so it might be better
[12:28] <head_victim> Still showing up wrong in my google but it might take a little while to propagate.
[12:33] <jaddi27> Yes, hard to know. The meeting next weekend is correct on my calendar, but this weekend's events are wrong still
[12:43] <head_victim> I guess we'll just wait and see for a day or so
[12:44] <head_victim> Ah the team meeting is set at EST
[12:44] <head_victim> Not sure what EST that is referring to though.
[12:44] <head_victim> I know EST has several tz uses
[12:45] <head_victim> And it's dropped the admins again :/
[12:47] <jaddi27> I have a feeling EST is Brisbane in this case - You can set a timezone when you create a meeting, or use the Team Default, and for the March meeting I selected Australia/Brisbane
[12:48] <head_victim> EST would be less confusing than UTC-10
[12:49] <jaddi27> Yes, certainly would be
[12:50] <head_victim> Ok, changed them both to EST, seemed to work for sagaci
[12:52] <jaddi27> So the timezone for the team is now Australia/Brisbane? or was there an EST option?
[12:52] <head_victim> EST option
[12:53] <jaddi27> ok
[12:53] <jaddi27> something like Australia/EST ?
[12:53] <head_victim> Nah it was just EST but there was also an EST5EDT which may be the other EST I knew of
[12:54] <jaddi27> Ok
[12:55] <head_victim> I'll stop playing with it now, honest ;)
[12:56] <jaddi27> head_victim, 'EST' translates to -5000
[12:56] <jaddi27> so that is not quite right
[12:56] <head_victim> Well how was it working then? sagaci had that set for his Sydney event
[12:57] <head_victim> Ok, so utc-10 for now and I'll put it to the list to set a specific location for the team and irc channel going into the future?
[13:05] <head_victim> jaddi27: I've put them all back to ETC/GMT-10
[13:06] <jaddi27> Ok
[13:06] <head_victim> If that doesn't work we can move them to EST
[13:06] <head_victim> No idea why but the ones sagaci set using them work perfect on my ical
[13:06] <head_victim> Maybe the tz translation is easier for that format or something
[13:06] <jaddi27> Australia/Sydney also shows up as EST
[13:07] <head_victim> I couldn't find a definitive list on the pytz website though
[13:07] <jaddi27> So I think he might have selected that timezone, and I used Australia/Brisbane for the March meeting, and that is why
[13:07] <jaddi27> I have been testing it out in the console - that is the only way I could find in my brief searches


[00:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Trevinho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2079 Dependency wait (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8, yakkety/unity8). Failed to build (vivid/qmenumodel, xenial/qmenumodel). Needs rebuild due to new commits (yakkety/qmenumodel)
[00:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2071 Failed to build
[04:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- robru sbalda, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2029 Abandoning ticket
[13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2077 Preparing packages
[13:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2077 Dependency wait (vivid/qtmir, vivid/qtmir-gles). Failed to build (vivid/miral, vivid/unity-api, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, yakkety/qtmir, yakkety/qtmir-gles, yakkety/unity-api). Successfully built (xenial/miral, yakkety/miral)
[15:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2071 Preparing packages
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2071 Failed to build
[15:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2071 Preparing packages
[15:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- marcustomlinson dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2071 Dependency wait


[07:16] <Mainiac-Work> Is there a good source of current info (11.10) about using MCE remotes for BOTH remote and blasting? I can't seem to figure it out this time.
[09:20] <Tonka128> Hi All... I am reconfig my myth setup (moving house). so old setup was combined FE/BE and multiple fron ends.. New setup Is FE/Master Backend (no Tuners).. Second Backend (only) with Tuners and multiple FE's... I have everything working (as far as watching old recordings/movies etc) just cant get the live TV function working (or new recordings) when you go to live TV you get a "cant access master backend" message.. I have s
[09:52] <Tonka128> more info in mythweb status.(from master BE) all devices are showing up Encoder 24 [ DVB : /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 ] is remote on Myth-Record-Backend and is not recording.
[10:32] <Tonka128> I get these 2 errors in Mythweb if they mean anything to anyone
[10:32] <Tonka128> Warning at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/upcoming.php, line 95:
[10:32] <Tonka128> !!NoTrans: Invalid argument supplied for foreach()!!
[10:32] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about !NoTrans: Invalid argument supplied for foreach()!!
[10:33] <Tonka128> Warning at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/default/header.php, line 16:
[10:33] <Tonka128> !!NoTrans: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/errors.php:150)!!
[10:33] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about !NoTrans: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/errors.php:150)!!
[13:19] <rockbadger> hi - looking for recommendations for a DVB-S2 dual tuner card that will work well with Mythbuntu 11.10 - TBS 6981 is the only card I've found but I've seen lots of people who've had problems with it - any suggestions?
[13:19] <rockbadger> I have looked on http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S2_PCI_Cards but they all seem to be single tuner - could get two of course, but I think I'm low on PCI slots.
[13:19] <Zinn> [linuxtv.org] DVB-S2 PCI Cards - LinuxTVWiki
[20:25] <FabriceMG> superm1, one bug now with mythtv-setup, he start and close 1s after, mythtv-setup.real work perfectly
[20:29] <FabriceMG> I haven't time to read someone in the console, no help !
[20:37] <superm1> FabriceMG: yeah i think we'll need to see console output to figure out what's going on
[20:38] <superm1> i was able to run mythtv-setup myself, but it could easily be something specific to the DE you're using
[20:41] <FabriceMG> mythbuntu 10.04
[20:42] <superm1> ah weird.  that's what i was running it on fine myself too
[20:42] <FabriceMG> if i launch mythtv-setup.real , it's work, i have acces to config of my backend
[20:43] <superm1> can you pastebin console output from running mythtv-setup (not .real) ?
[20:43] <superm1> hopefully something stands out
[20:43] <FabriceMG> nothing !
[20:43] <superm1> what if you set -x the script first?
[20:43] <superm1> what's the last thing it tries to run
[20:47] <FabriceMG> http://www.pastebin.com/HtVrdHQe
[20:47] <Zinn> [www.pastebin.com] fabrice@mythtv:~$ mythtv-setup mythtv-backend stop/waiting mythtv-backend star - Pastebin.com
[20:50] <FabriceMG> he ask me to stop the backend ( yes or no) , I press Yes, just after , he ask "run mythfilldatabase"
[20:51] <superm1> can you copy the script to ~ and on the second or third line add "set -x"
[20:51] <superm1> it will show the invokation of every command
[20:52] <superm1> the way you did it just passes '-x' as an argument to mythtv-setup.real (if it's even invoked)
[20:58] <FabriceMG> http://www.pastebin.com/4bQ24Tu0
[20:58] <Zinn> [www.pastebin.com] fabrice@mythtv:~$ ~/mythtv-setup + . /usr/share/mythtv/dialog_functions.sh + - Pastebin.com
[21:04] <superm1> FabriceMG: interesting, so it did actually try to invoke all those commands
[21:05] <superm1> so need to figure out which part of "xterm -title MythTV Setup Terminal -e taskset -c 0 /usr/bin/mythtv-setup.real --syslog local 7" is where it breaks
[21:05] <superm1> oh i bet it's that --syslog local 7
[21:05] <superm1> that's supposed to be "--syslog local7"
[21:05] <superm1> not sure why it would have worked for me though
[21:07] <FabriceMG> mythtv-setup.real log in syslog?
[21:07] <superm1>  /var/log/mythtv/mythtv-setup.log (starting with 0.25 yeah)
[21:09] <FabriceMG> I haven"t /var/log/mythtv/mythtv-setup.log !
[21:09] <superm1> have you restarted in the last few days?
[21:10] <superm1> if not, try to restart the rsyslog service (sudo service rsyslog restart)
[21:11] <FabriceMG> uptime
[21:11] <FabriceMG>  22:10:37 up 1 day, 23:11,  3 users,  load average: 0.37, 0.69, 0.67
[21:11] <superm1> that's weird then.  do you have a collection of other logs in /var/log/mythtv (like 10 or so different types)?
[21:12] <FabriceMG> today , after update , boumm, mythtv broken, i have restored db of tuesday , all is ok now
[21:13] <superm1> can you check in /etc/rsyslog.d how many mythtv configurations there are in there?  there should be one (40-mythtv.conf)
[21:13] <FabriceMG> mythbackend.log         mythfrontend.log.2      mythfrontend.log.5      mythmetadatalookup.log
[21:13] <FabriceMG> mythfrontend.log        mythfrontend.log.3      mythfrontend.log.6      mythpreviewgen.log
[21:13] <FabriceMG> mythfrontend.log.1      mythfrontend.log.4      mythfrontend.log.7      mythwelcome.log
[21:14] <superm1> okay so it did generate the logs for you, just not a mythtv-setup one
[21:15] <superm1> and a few other missing ones
[21:15] <superm1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/846417/
[21:15] <Zinn> [paste.ubuntu.com] Ubuntu Pastebin
[21:15] <superm1> that's how many are in mine after things went correctly
[21:15] <FabriceMG> http://pastebin.com/J7Qeg6SL
[21:15] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] # Begin /etc/rsyslog.d/40-mythtv.conf # Make MythTV logs readable by world $Fil - Pastebin.com
[21:16] <superm1> yeap that's the right one
[21:17] <FabriceMG> i have actived ( 1 year)  log file database, i see the log in mythweb
[21:19] <superm1> well try switching that "--syslog local 7" to "--syslog local7"
[21:19] <superm1> if that fixes the mythtv-setup issue, i'll commit that
[21:20] <superm1> but as for your logging problem not showing all the other logs i'm not sure what's going on
[21:21] <FabriceMG> bingo
[21:21] <FabriceMG> it's work
[21:21] <superm1> ok cool
[21:23] <FabriceMG> http://pastebin.com/GVLM1Ugh
[21:23] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] fabrice@mythtv:~$ ~/mythtv-setup + . /usr/share/mythtv/dialog_functions.sh + - Pastebin.com
[21:25] <superm1> looks the same, but it seems that fixes the problem (which is understandable - that logging doesn't happen to console)
[21:27] <FabriceMG> thx superm1