[09:15] <rmg51> Morning
[09:29] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:15] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[13:10] <InHisName> Happy Happy Tuesday


 Hello. My laptop will not re-awaken. If I press a key, touchpad or open it up, it will reboot. This is a recent phenomenom. What can I troubleshoot to have it not reboot but present the lock login screen? Thanks.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/jIMWL6n7/file_34147.jpg Use Kde connect app over Wi-Fi Hotspot (Android)   😅.  Any other methods are there?
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/9Zjro676/file_34148.mkv
 Can someone help me with this: … I have recently upgraded to Kubuntu 20.04 from 18.04 and I notice that some system apps like discover and system settings are not opening only. While some others like Okular, Dolphin, Konsole are working perfectly.  … I have attached a sample screen recording to understand the issue better. A surrounding window having an outline shows up but then nothing happens. Attaching logs when systemsetting
 Logs for this: â€¦ $ systemsettings5 # Launching system settings, automatically goes into background. â€¦ QQmlEngine::setContextForObject(): Object already has a QQmlContext â€¦ KCrash: crashing... crashRecursionCounter = 2 â€¦ KCrash: Application Name = systemsettings5 path = /usr/bin pid = 8921 â€¦ KCrash: Arguments: /usr/bin/systemsettings5  â€¦ KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/drkonqi from kdeinit â€
 I've installed my new rx550. I have AMDgpu driver as default I think..
 Is that the opensource driver? Or the official one?
[11:55] <BluesKaj> !paste | @chhajedji
[11:57] <BluesKaj> @Franzpow check in system settings>hardware>driver-manager
 Is there also a way to change settings of my screen? It's slightly offset but the autoadjust button is not working so I have to adjust it from kubuntu
 It autoadjusted the first time i connected the new card but it is incorrect
 Or: is there a software to change gpu options like nvidia-settings for nvidia cards?
 @ubottu, Some one from the community please help with this - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tXkvzYjbzk/ … Here is the video file for it: https://imgur.com/a/KlRhpjC
[15:06] <michael_> hi
 I need a way to change colours of my screen on my amd card and a way to pan the image. any ideas?
 randr could be cool but I don't know how to make the pan command work
 Unfortunately I am not able to do that on kde
[15:50] <ayush-M> easy bugs for beginners
 ?
[15:51] <ayush-M> pls suggest me any easy bugs for beginners
[15:54] <oerheks> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs#Helping_with_Bugs is a good start
 Anyone can anwser my question?
 Also I have a critical bug. The desktop is freezing randomly when resizing windows also on my new radeon gpu
 That's mainly happening in firefox
[16:31] <diogenes_> Franzpow, try xredner backend instead of OpenGL.
 When it crashed with nvidia card I used no compositor
 And if I was using one, it was xrender and not opengl
 Now I've set it again to xrender but it won't solve the issue..
[17:46] <dima_>  мм
[19:47] <Solifera> arf
 Sup
[20:19] <user|5909> hola
[21:51] <dweeber> I just updated my kubuntu 20.04 x64 machine with discover and now my laptop won't boot.
[21:51] <dweeber> I get "error: symbol grub_calloc not found"
[21:51] <dweeber> and I'm dropped to grub_rescue


[05:51] <pitti> Good morning
[06:52] <dholbach> @pilot in
[08:33] <xnox> 3 months in, and my irc stopped working, because let's encrypt certificate did not renew *sigh*
[09:05] <cpaelzer> Hi, sorry to ask, but I never touched this before - I'm trying to fix an issue with the GCC& build as reported by https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-July/039448.html
[09:06] <cpaelzer> what is the "right" way to locally reproduce this with e.g. sbuild?
[09:06] <cpaelzer> I've seen the test added http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-toolchain-r/test/ubuntu
[09:06] <cpaelzer> so should I do like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild#Temporarily_adding_PPAs ?
[09:06] <cpaelzer> or is there another preferred method
[09:17] <cpaelzer> it is working, so it can't be too wrong :-)
[09:20] <dholbach> hey seb128 - can you or anyone in your team take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/indicator-session/lp1600502-fix-icon-install/+merge/299625?
[09:21] <seb128> dholbach, hey, I guess I can try having a look, though my cmake foo is weak, might be one rather for charles or ted
[09:21] <seb128> I can try to nag them though
[09:21] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[09:22] <seb128> yw
[09:38] <mwhudson> cpaelzer: you might also be able to use --extra-package pointing at an appropriate gcc-defaults package
[09:42] <cpaelzer> mwhudson: thanks, will try that next time
[09:42] <cpaelzer> would not affect the actual chroot which is nice
[10:20] <infinity> cpaelzer: --extra-repository=spec --extra-repository-key=file.asc
[10:20] <infinity> cpaelzer: Adds the PPA on the CLI instead of in the chroot, so only affects that build.
[10:20] <infinity> cpaelzer: (See sbuild(1))
[10:22] <cpaelzer> infinity: I searched for ppa in there and the web but you never know how it is called ina  given context in advance - of course it is repository not ppa as it is the more generic term
[10:22] <cpaelzer> infinity: thanks a lot!
[10:23] <cpaelzer> as always if you would know before, what you know after doing/realizing sometihng it would have been much easier :-)
[10:23] <cpaelzer> I think I should try to mention that in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild#Temporarily_adding_PPAs to not mislead the next
[10:24]  * cpaelzer is checking if he can edit there ...
[10:24] <infinity> cpaelzer: Yeah, the advice to mangle the chroot is certainly not ideal, since one can easily end up with a dirty base chroot and have to start over.
[10:24] <infinity> cpaelzer: +1 for replacing that section with --extra-repo* bits.
[10:25] <infinity> cpaelzer: With a derp-friendly blurb on how to find the public sig for repo.asc, I guess.
[10:26] <infinity> s/sig/key/
[10:29] <mwhudson> infinity: does that actually work? i couldn't make --extra-repository-key behave
[10:30] <mwhudson> but i was probably holding it wrong
[10:31] <mwhudson> also mk-sbuild is pretty fast, i have a collection with various different ppas enabled
[10:33] <infinity> mwhudson: Works for me.
[11:02] <cpaelzer> infinity: mwhudson: I replaced the modding of the chroot with the sbuild options, my gpg key foo was good enough to get them to work - but surely not perfect. If one has a sequence that works without ever touching the local keyreing please feel free to let me know or modify in place https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild#Temporarily_adding_PPAs
[11:04] <mwhudson> cpaelzer: i have a horrible feeling that involves GNUPGHOME=`mktemp -d` or some such horror
[11:04] <mwhudson> but i'm not really sure :)
[11:09] <cpaelzer> mwhudson: no need for Horror on a Monday :-) what I have written works and is surely less damaging than what the wiki page said before
[11:09] <cpaelzer> just wanted to leave the chance open if one knows an even better way
[11:09] <cpaelzer> if with "horror" it might not be that much better
[11:17] <dholbach> @pilot out
[14:45] <coreycb> infinity, hi, would you be able to review keystone and pythonkeystoneauth1 in the xenial review queue?
[14:59] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, quick question
[14:59] <LocutusOfBorg> "what's the file system mounted at /tmp?" <-- buildd/armhf system
[14:59] <LocutusOfBorg> if you want the whole picture: https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/issues/1310
[15:00] <teward> LocutusOfBorg: /tmp/ should be a tmpfs in RAM, is it a qemu-static armhf schroot or a native armhf build env.?
[15:01] <LocutusOfBorg> teward, official buildds
[15:01] <teward> ah, then you'll have to wait for the buildd maintainers to answer that more effectively.
[15:02] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/borgbackup/1.0.5-1
[15:02] <LocutusOfBorg> this is the build
[15:03] <LocutusOfBorg> kishi04 seems owned by infinity
[15:03] <LocutusOfBorg> but it might be a general issue/configuration I think
[15:12] <LocutusOfBorg> they are also asking the result of getconf PAGE_SIZE
[15:14] <ddellav> pitti when you get a second, can you or someone else on the SRU team take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keystone/+bug/1592865? It's good to go
[15:14] <ddellav> coreycb ^
[15:15] <bregma> hey folks, is there a formal way to file a remove request for a package in Yakkety?
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg> bregma, open a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg> e.g. 1595485
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg> LP: #1595485
[15:16] <bregma> LocutusOfBorg, a bug against Ubuntu or a bug against the particular package?
[15:16] <LocutusOfBorg> the second one
[15:16] <bregma> k thanks
[15:17]  * bregma likes easy
[15:17] <LocutusOfBorg> well, if the package disappears in Debian, it is semi-automatically removed from ubuntu too
[15:17] <LocutusOfBorg> unless there are rdeps that needs fixing
[15:17] <bregma> it's a Ubuntu-only package
[15:18] <LocutusOfBorg> so, if you don't want to make things difficult to both you and archive team (like I did in the above bug)
[15:18] <LocutusOfBorg> reverse-depends -r yakkety src:foo; reverse-depends -r yakkety -b src:foo
[15:18] <LocutusOfBorg> and reverse-depends -r yakkety -b libfoo-dev
[15:25] <coreycb> ddellav, I pinged infinity in here a little while ago about keystone and keystoneauth1 since he has Mondays for the sru team:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing
[15:26] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: the log of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procenv/0.43-2/+build/8361172 should answer your questions
[15:28] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, can I assume it didn't change in the last months then?
[15:30] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't see any mounts:
[15:30] <LocutusOfBorg>   /tmp:
[15:30] <LocutusOfBorg> so I presume it is under "/" mount
[15:31] <cjwatson> indeed, and yes, you can so assume
[15:31] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks! I'm a little bit confused about a non tmpfs tmp :)
[15:32] <LocutusOfBorg> but I can understand the rationale for that indeed
[15:32] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[15:32]  * LocutusOfBorg leaves
[15:32] <cjwatson> /tmp is an FHS-mandated directory regardless of what filesystem it's on, and on buildds I think it makes sense to leave the memory for compilers to use
[16:18] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek: infinity: https://code.launchpad.net/~semiosis/livecd-rootfs/fix-for-1565985/+merge/298305 <-- this fixes some major pain points with using Vagrant images (for xenial and later), which we'd like to (a) fix in yakkety, and (b) SRU to xenial
[16:19] <Odd_Bloke> If you could cast your eyes over it, it would be much appreciated.
[16:28] <semiosis> \o/
[16:28] <semiosis> Odd_Bloke: want to talk about the bash -u option now?  or are you OK with it being removed?
[16:29] <Odd_Bloke> semiosis: I'm happy with it being removed; we need to do some clean-up there (to, for example, switch away from bash), so it's a more pervasive change than makes sense for this.
[16:30] <semiosis> Odd_Bloke: sounds good.  curious, what would you use instead of bash?
[16:31] <slangasek> POSIX sh
[16:32] <semiosis> that makes sense.
[20:51] <rharper> slangasek: smoser and I are starting a curtin SRU,  do you prefer a single SRU bug, or can we just use the individual bugs (we've four of them) in the changelog/debdiff ?
[22:09] <slangasek> rharper: if there's been discussion about SRU exception process for curtin, it's not captured on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates; individual bugs are probably best here
[22:13] <semiosis> slangasek: working on your feedback in https://code.launchpad.net/~semiosis/livecd-rootfs/fix-for-1565985/+merge/298305
[22:13] <slangasek> semiosis: great :)
[22:14] <semiosis> slangasek: can you explain a bit more what you mean in your comment re manage_etc_hosts: localhost... i dont understand
[22:14] <semiosis> "The bug reference for this makes sense in terms of why this is wanted; but why is this a vagrant-specific change? I'm skeptical of this being a delta vs. 999-cpc-fixes.chroot."
[22:14] <slangasek> semiosis: so, you're adding this into a cloud-init userdata that's specific to the vagrant image. the 999-cpc-fixes.chroot hook also creates cloud-image userdata for the generic cloud image
[22:15] <slangasek> semiosis: is there some reason that this change should be made *only* for vagrant, which is the effect of the current change?
[22:17] <semiosis> slangasek: well I'm not an expert on that subject.  not sure if it's generally useful to other cloud images (although I can imagine how it would be!)
[22:18] <slangasek> semiosis: hostname setting and resolution seem applicable for other environments than vagrant, AFAICS
[22:18] <slangasek> maybe Odd_Bloke has a comment here
[22:19] <semiosis> slangasek: however, since the vagrant builder combines the cloud-init stuff into an ISO which gets bundled in the vagrant box, we do need to generate cloud-init config in the vagrant builder.  unless you'd suggest going back and modifying the vagrant box in the 999 step
[22:19] <slangasek> semiosis: I'm saying that if this is a bug affecting multiple images, we shouldn't fix it in just one of the images and close the bug
[22:19] <slangasek> but should fix it in both places
[22:21] <semiosis> slangasek: that makes sense.  but i dont see how that matters for my merge request... even if that change were needed elsewhere, it is still needed in the vagrant builder, no?
[22:21] <slangasek> semiosis: your merge request has a changelog entry which closes that bug ;)
[22:21] <semiosis> OH!
[22:22] <slangasek> and regardless, before merging I would want to be sure we either have a reason not to apply it to the other userdata, or apply it equally in both places
[22:22] <slangasek> so that does probably need Odd_Bloke's expertise
[22:22] <slangasek> or maybe rcj is more likely to be around
[22:22] <semiosis> sounds good.  i can ping Odd_Bloke tomorrow morning if he doesn't get to it first
[22:24] <semiosis> slangasek: i have a xenial ec2 instance and i get the same unable to resolve host there, which supports your idea
[22:24] <semiosis> i had not noticed that on the ec2 instance before so i just checked


[01:35] <pangolin> Hey folks, my son has a computer I built for him and now suddenly all the usb ports stopped working, he is ~650 miles away so makes it a little hard for me to try and figure out what is going on. I was wondering if there was anybody in the Quakertown area who would be willing to take a look at his PC and maybe fix it?
[01:35] <pangolin> I would be willing of course to compensate fairly (not full price please)
[01:36] <pangolin> I can have his mom bring it to you also if you rather, long as it isn't to far of a drive.
[01:38] <pangolin> anyway, if anybody would be willing to take a look please ping me :)
[01:56] <JonathanD> Quakertown is a bit far from me.
[01:57] <JonathanD> pangolin: stopped working how?
[02:08] <pangolin> JonathanD: they got a new KB and Mouse wireless and they "didn't work" and when they plugged in the wired usb mouse it wouldn't work either
[02:09] <pangolin> this has been a few days and they did the whole reboot with the device plugged in thing.
[02:10] <pangolin> hard for me to give you much info to be honest.    "Everything was working fine and just stopped" is what I get from them.
[02:10] <JonathanD> ok
[02:11] <pangolin> I find it odd that all 6 ports would just stop
[02:15] <JonathanD> I do too
[02:16] <pangolin> My ex did reinstall windows but the usb ports still don't work
[02:16] <pangolin> when I  first built it I installed XP pro 32 bit and everything was working perfectly
[02:17] <pangolin> Hell if I can find the specs for it now :/
[03:26] <MutantTurkey> hey
[03:26] <MutantTurkey> anyone have any ideas how to deal with screen tearing and mplayer?
[03:26] <MutantTurkey> this is on my x220 btw
[10:15] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:30] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:30] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[10:32] <rmg51> o/
[12:43] <waltman> Morning.
[15:01] <andrew> xkcd is up to 1000
[15:01] <andrew> nice
[15:55] <ChinnoDog> hi peeps
[15:59]  * morecheese waves.
[16:00] <morecheese> wait, "peeps" = "peers" ... I'm 27, is that valid?
[16:00] <ChinnoDog> I'm 32
[16:00] <ChinnoDog> You can be a peep
[17:20] <pleia2> that's very old for a marshmallow chick
[17:21] <ssweeny> that's when they finally start to get good
[17:21] <ssweeny> the staler the better
[17:22] <pleia2> ssweeny is in the business of fine vintage peeps
[17:22] <ssweeny> 1988 was a good year for peeps
[17:22] <rmg51> sounds like me :-/
[17:22] <jedijf> are true peeps /only/ yellow?
[17:23] <ssweeny> no the eyes are black
[17:23] <pleia2> I am a shape purist, not color
[17:24] <pleia2> halloween ghosts? not peeps pink chicks? peeps!
[17:24] <ssweeny> i accept the bunnies
[17:25] <ssweeny> they're not as good for jousting but they seem to get stale faster
[17:25] <ssweeny> must be something to do with surface area
[17:25] <Resistance> ugh
[17:25] <Resistance> pleia2:  ever have someone break into your home while you're in your home?
[17:25] <pleia2> Resistance: nope
[17:25] <Resistance> that happened last night
[17:25] <Resistance> to me
[17:25]  * ssweeny had a roommate who came home to find someone holding our tv
[17:25] <pleia2> :(
[17:26] <Resistance> it didnt help the two who broke in i heard them, and had my AK nearby
[17:26]  * Resistance went out, encountered them with his AK-47, they ran
[17:26] <pleia2> oh my
[17:26]  * Resistance was not pleased
[17:27] <Resistance> although they didnt get the chance to take anything
[17:27] <Resistance> but that's something that noboody wants to ever have happen to them >.>
[17:28] <pleia2> yeah, that sucks :(
[17:29] <Resistance> i should just be glad that they didnt have any guns, and i didnt have to do more than threaten.
[17:29]  * Resistance does not want to shoot anyone unless its absolutely necessary
[17:30]  * Resistance shivers
[17:30] <Resistance> anyways, if i seem extra hostile in channels, you know why :P
[17:31] <pleia2> maybe a break to recover is worthwhile? :) go to the spa, the beach!
[17:31] <Resistance> cant, classes start monday
[17:31] <pleia2> I've taken conference calls from the beach before
[17:31] <Resistance> kinda hard to attend classes from the beach
[17:31] <Resistance> :P
[17:32] <pleia2> but it's just friday! you should be good by monday :)
[17:32] <Resistance> :P
[17:32] <Resistance> if there were a beach nearby
[17:33] <Resistance> it seems though that i wasnt the only one hit by these thieves, i was just the only one who owned a mil-spec rifle
[17:33] <Resistance> so it scared them off...
[17:34] <pleia2> well I'm glad you're safe
[17:34] <Resistance> the police want to interview me at 2PM, to hear my end of the story.
[17:34]  * pleia2 nods
[17:37] <Resistance> this is the only reason i actually keep mil-spec firearms in the gun safe... to defend my home in the case of thieves (this is the second time i've had to confront intruders with weapons, first time i've confronted a thief with the AK though)
[17:37] <Resistance> anyways, i'm off, i need to get ready for the interview
[17:37] <Resistance> now where'd i put my suit...
[17:39] <jedijf> corned beef or pastrami?
[17:41] <Resistance> jedijf:  both
[17:42] <jedijf> need to pick one
[17:56]  * waltman makes a note to not move to Resistance's neighborhood
[18:03] <pleia2> pastrami!
[18:03]  * morecheese makes a note to brush up on CounterStrike:Source skills.
[18:04] <jedijf> did both hot on potato pancakes
[18:13] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: o glorious leader, when is the next upa event?
[18:15] <jedijf> its jot my job to have every event, but i was thinking of having a unity lovefest feb 14
[18:18] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: how was hac dc?
[18:18] <ChinnoDog> Cozy
[18:18] <ChinnoDog> But the people were cool
[18:19] <ChinnoDog> And, no unity lovefests. lol
[18:22] <jedijf> user days are coming
[18:22] <pleia2> yeah, we need some more instructors
[18:40] <rmg51> jedijf: that sounds like a party of one
[20:30] <morecheese> i know the debate of the superior command-line text editor is one of the biggest debates on IRC, and I don't care that I prefer nano over vi or vim or emacs, because I have nothing to prove. however, I'm saddened that nano lacks line number display. enough to force me to start using vim? unlikely.
[20:40] <waltman> morecheese: Obviously the superior editor is ed.
[20:45] <jedijf> morecheese: -c shows it in bottom
[20:45] <jedijf> morecheese: nano -c xyz
[20:46] <jedijf> err, nano -c ed.cfg
[21:03] <morecheese> ahh -c is perfect thx jedijf
[21:16] <morecheese> jedijf: looking through nano manual, cant find anyway to stop highlighting tabbed lines. i.e. press tab a few times then press enter, most editors the line looks blank, but with nano all the tabs are highlighted. any ideas how to turn that off?
[21:22] <jedijf> morecheese: look thru .ini or nanorc
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> learn vim :-)
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> I'm really bored lately. I cant find anything to hack on
[21:26] <jedijf> morecheese: /etc/nanorc on my archbox - let me poke around
[21:27] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: how's phone?
[21:27] <MutantTurkey> got my cable finally
[21:33] <morecheese> MutantTurkey: get a Nokia N800
[21:33] <morecheese> or a Chumby
[21:35] <pleia2> chumby: http://moofi.woot.com/moofi/vivalainternet
[21:35] <pleia2> not that sales are uncommon for them, but $100 is a nice price for the c8
[21:36] <jedijf> morecheese: my nano (arch) doesn't highlight tabs, look for color x,y "^" in rc and comment it
[21:36] <jedijf> i'll check this 904 install now
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> morecheese: after you learn vim
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> i'm waiting on the raspberry pie
[21:38] <pleia2> s/pie/pi
[21:38] <jedijf> morecheese: it;s you! i'll check 11.04 later, but no highlights here
[21:38] <morecheese> :(
[21:38] <morecheese> all my nanos do it by default
[21:40] <jedijf> i made a test file with nano, with tabs, saved and re-entered...nada
[21:42] <jedijf> morecheese: look for ^ in /etc/nanorc and see what's going on
[21:45] <morecheese> # set quotestr "^([     ]*[#:>\|}])+"
[21:46] <morecheese> gonna screenshot to show u
[21:46] <morecheese> http://i.imgur.com/yEU9c.png
[21:47] <jedijf> morecheese: try nano -E ...see if highlights still there
[21:47] <morecheese> not my code, i hate extra whitespace in my code, but apparently this author doesn't
[21:48] <morecheese> still there
[21:48] <jedijf> morecheese: make your own tab test file and see if it's highlighted
[21:48] <jedijf> i am just curious now
[21:49] <morecheese> no tabs
[21:49] <morecheese> er...no highlights on tabs
[21:49] <jedijf> it's something with that one file then
[21:49] <morecheese> so, encoding on his file forcing nano to highlight whitespace?
[21:49] <morecheese> ive seen it before a lot
[21:50] <jedijf> what extension?
[21:50] <jedijf> .py .pie .crumbpie
[21:50] <jedijf> .lattice
[21:50] <jedijf> .merengue
[21:51] <morecheese> how do i check that?
[21:51] <jedijf> what's the part after the . in the filename
[21:52] <morecheese> its a php file
[21:52] <morecheese> i thought u meant what extension was nano using or something
[21:52] <morecheese> wth is .lattice?
[21:52] <morecheese> and .merengue
[21:52] <morecheese> are those really file extensions?
[21:53] <morecheese> oh
[21:53] <morecheese> .pie
[21:53]  * morecheese smirks.
[22:06] <morecheese> whats also weird is when im in the file and i hit enter htne tab, the tabs are highlighted. must be something with the syntax highlighting?
[22:08] <jedijf> morecheese: in rc # the php include
[22:08] <jedijf> should solve
[22:16] <waltman> morecheese: Maybe I'm an old grump, but I don't understand how anyone can read code when there's more code visible underneath it.


[00:10] <netritious> so it was an nvidia thing?
[00:10] <netritious> nvidia driver prob?
[11:57] <binarymutant> debian seems much slower than arch :/
[12:10] <netritious> slower how binarymutant
[12:11] <binarymutant> uses more resources, iceweasel/firefox is using an insane amount of cpu
[12:12] <binarymutant> so does X
[12:12] <wrst> binarymutant: curious why did you swap?
[12:12] <binarymutant> wrst, because I didn't like the fact that Arch got rid of their install scripts just bc it wasn't being maintained
[12:13] <wrst> binarymutant: they will be back likely and you had it installed already :)
[12:14] <binarymutant> wrst, they shouldn't have dropped them at all
[12:14] <binarymutant> Arch bothers me on how the distro decides to do things
[12:15] <wrst> i would think they should maintain them, but there had been no commits to the code in 4 months and in that four month period you have had signed packages, lib dissappear, and also move to grub2 so i don't think it would have functione with all of that
[12:15] <wrst> i'm pretty sure grub2 was the nail in the coffin
[12:15] <binarymutant> like I would wake up one day and /lib would be gone - just cuz :P
[12:16] <wrst> well ubuntu fedora etc etc have been moving some things around also but since its in a release its usually "cleaner"
[12:16] <netritious> which is the inherent problem with a rolling release
[12:16] <wrst> but i almost smoked my ubuntu server due to some things like that and the solution wasn't well documented but at least with arch the silly stuff is well documented :)
[12:17] <wrst> yep netritious if you aren't ready for "breakage" as they say in arch land you probably don't need it but to me its easier than 6 month upgrades
[12:17] <binarymutant> wrst, just bc something isn't active doesn't mean it should be dropped. especially if it's a core piece of software
[12:17] <netritious> and I get and also respect that. "different strokes..." so they say...
[12:17] <binarymutant> they should have continued to provide it while a fork or replacement was being worked on. Or until someone else picked it up
[12:18] <wrst> but binarymutant it wouldnt' function any more :)
[12:18] <wrst> grub2 wouldn't work with it
[12:18] <wrst> exactly netritious
[12:19] <wrst> and netritious i must say last night i was having a printer issue and i booted to my ubuntu partition and it just worked, due to all the speed etc in arch, well i didn't have the package installed :)
[12:19] <netritious> lol wrst...what printer do you have?
[12:19] <binarymutant> idk
[12:20] <wrst> its an HP deskjet of some sort its in the HPLP or whatever it is package but it wasn't installed
[12:21] <netritious> binarymutant: it does appear that arch dropping the installer was for convenience, not b/c of some principal eg KISS
[12:21] <netritious> which is what i thought
[12:21] <netritious> at first anyway
[12:21] <netritious> but wrst you are saying they dropped b/c of grub2?
[12:21] <netritious> *dropped the installer
[12:21] <wrst> netritious: i suspect because it comes with grub the iso does
[12:22] <netritious> I don't get that...grub2 has been the standard in most distributions I've come across for over a year now, if not longer
[12:22] <wrst> and by the arch definition of simplicity actually it makes more sense to not have an installation framework
[12:23] <netritious> yes and no...if you want someone to adopt your distribution it should have an installer.
[12:23] <wrst> yep netritious, but they haven't released a snapshot iso in right at a year so grub2 i think was still beta at the time
[12:23] <wrst> netritious: i agree, but I really dont' think they care :)
[12:23] <netritious> I only see boot-strapping happening on embedded systems
[12:23] <binarymutant> yes
[12:23] <binarymutant> **
[12:23] <wrst> i use arch for a learning tool not for the friendly community :)
[12:24] <binarymutant> I prefer how Debian does things
[12:24] <binarymutant> but it's stale + slow :/
[12:25] <netritious> tried gentoo binarymutant?
[12:25] <binarymutant> yeah once
[12:25] <binarymutant> emerge and stage -- if I can remember
[12:26] <netritious> I haven't yet, but it's on my list.
[12:26] <binarymutant> I'm not much of a distro swapper
[12:26] <netritious> me neither, although lately I've been testing a lot.
[12:27] <netritious> using VM's makes it ez-pz
[12:27] <binarymutant> yeah
[12:28] <netritious> wrst: you don't have to justify your use of arch...we know you're a linux snob XD
[12:28] <netritious> kidding of course
[12:28] <wrst> oh netritious far from it just an aspiring linux snob :)
[12:28] <wrst> but i must say that made me appreciate the work that goes into ubuntu last night
[12:28] <netritious> :)
[12:29] <netritious> yeah, Ubuntu Just Works™
[12:30] <wrst> netritious: i guess if i could have debian testing with something rc.conf like i would be in geeky linux heaven
[12:30] <netritious> what about it do you like wrst? rc.conf?
[12:31] <wrst> netritious: i can tell what to start or not to start on boot daemons, modules, networking all in one central file
[12:32] <wrst> with ubuntu i still haven't figured that one out or if there is a solution to that
[12:32] <wrst> for instance if i don't want to start gdm/ldm/kdm etc on boot just don't have it in your rc.conf daemons line
[12:34] <netritious> /etc//etc/init
[12:34] <netritious> whoops
[12:34] <netritious> /etc/init wrst
[12:35] <wrst> netritious: i'm greeted with about a million config files
[12:35] <netritious> true, but the point is to be modular...I guess it's just a different goal
[12:36] <netritious> and from a programmers point of view, having all resources (startup or code) in one file is bad practice
[12:36] <wrst> netritious: http://pastebin.com/p9y3NT9d
[12:37] <wrst> from my user poitn of view i love it :)
[12:37] <netritious> what happens if you screw something up editing that one file, or that one file is on a location on disk that develops bad sectors? whole system breaks?
[12:37] <netritious> *in a location
[12:37] <netritious> not knocking it, just stating my case </soapbox>
[12:38] <wrst> yes i see the point but if you are that serious about your system and don't have proper backups and don't backup your conf files before you edit them you deserve what you get really dont you?
[12:38] <netritious> eh maybe. lol
[12:38] <wrst> i just like the control
[12:38]  * wrst may be a control freak
[12:39] <netritious> you are so the control freak, always kicking ppl off-topic in channel and stuff
[12:39] <wrst> on my daemons i like being able to background some to increase boot time etc
[12:39] <wrst> netritious: want to talk about guitars? :)
[12:39] <netritious> :D
[12:39] <wrst> and also that's how bsd does it if i'm not mistaken also all through rc.conf?
[12:40] <netritious> i'm not certain anymore....it has been many years since I messed with a bsd flavor
[12:41] <wrst> i know last time i set it up a few months ago i had to do some /etc/rc.conf editing i think to get kdm to fire up and that sort of thing using free bsd
[12:41] <netritious> sounds right
[12:41] <wrst> but all that being said netritious there is no way on earth i would install arch linux for anyone! if you aren't savvy enough to install it you can't run it
[12:42] <netritious> hence my latest accusation that ppl that run arch are linux snobs looool, with the exception of wrst
[12:43] <netritious> and when I say snob I mean purist
[12:43] <wrst> oh yeah they are
[12:43] <wrst> certainly i am afarid to even think abotu asking a question in their irc channel
[12:44] <netritious> I did and it was completely ignored. Not the first or last time though.
[12:44] <netritious> In that channel or some other. It happens.
[12:45] <wrst> oh well being ignored is probably them being kind
[12:45] <wrst> i have witnessed them just absolutely filet people
[12:45] <wrst> and as Unit193 showed me if you do !ubuntu you get this link: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1qBGyI/AAAAAAAAAeM/3k_ntrDWmOw/s1600-h/ubuntu.png
[12:46] <netritious> lol
[12:47] <netritious> some people don't care to know about every single little detail as they have other details to worry about
[12:47] <wrst> yeah that's pretty funny but at the same time because someone uses ubuntu doesn't mean they are "simple" could mean that someone doesn't want to spend 3 days getting a system running
[12:47] <netritious> exactly
[12:47] <wrst> and netritious i just found something that is gold for me rcconf package
[12:49] <wrst> oh well it doesn't really work but at least its there :)
[12:53] <wrst> wb binarymutant :)
[12:54] <binarymutant> did I cut out?
[12:55] <wrst> yep at 7:37 and back in at 7:51
[12:58] <binarymutant> oh :/
[12:59] <wrst> and also binarymutant you might want to set your client up to us sasl because your IP is revealed also
[12:59] <wrst> [07:51:54] --> binarymutant<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-us-tn
[12:59] <wrst> [07:51:54] <-- binarymutant<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (Changing host)
[12:59] <wrst> [07:51:55] --> binarymutant (~binarymut@unaffiliated/binarymutant) has joined #ubuntu-us-tn
[13:00] <wrst> sorry binarymutant that was a little linux snobbish of me but figured since you had a cloak you would prefer your IP not show at all
[13:00] <binarymutant> doesn't bother me to show my ip
[13:01] <binarymutant> but what's sasl?
[13:01] <wrst> oh ok
[13:01] <netritious> authentication method
[13:01] <wrst> i don't really know what it is binarymutant but it identifies you before you get logged in :)
[13:01] <wrst> yeah what netritious said
[13:01] <binarymutant> hm
[13:02] <binarymutant> I'll try it out, but the networks that I should have a cloak (rizon) I don't, and the networks I don't need a cloak (freenode and oftc) I do
[13:03] <wrst> yeah i dont' suspect netritious is going to hack me if he was he could have already
[13:03] <binarymutant> <- not very security concerned
[13:04] <xTEMPLARx> I think netritious hacked me yesterday
[13:04] <xTEMPLARx> today my computer is running faster
[13:05] <binarymutant> Firefox 14.0.1 is much faster than Debian's Iceweasel/FF 10
[13:05] <binarymutant> xTEMPLARx, lol
[13:05] <xTEMPLARx> howdy b
[13:06] <binarymutant> hello
[13:06] <xTEMPLARx> brb makin' breakfast
[13:07] <netritious> lol
[13:07] <xTEMPLARx> mornin netritious and wrst
[13:08] <netritious> mornin' xTEMPLARx
[13:08] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: what you made it back, we are proud of you!
[13:09] <wrst> binarymutant: wow they are just at FF10?? and you are running testing?
[13:10]  * xTEMPLARx looks at wrst disapprovingly.
[13:10] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[13:10] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: not the first or last time that will happen to me for the day
[13:11] <xTEMPLARx> lol probably true for me as well
[13:12] <wrst> i can't imagine that!
[13:12] <xTEMPLARx> XD
[13:13] <xTEMPLARx> boooo updates wanna restart
[13:14] <xTEMPLARx> brb
[13:16] <binarymutant> wrst, FF10 on unstable
[13:16] <wrst> that's why debian makes  a great server OS
[13:16] <binarymutant> yeah
[13:19] <netritious> wb xTEMPLARx
[13:19] <xTEMPLARx> ty vm
[13:21] <xTEMPLARx> well I hope this passes:  http://bit.ly/NcDHP0
[13:22] <xTEMPLARx> mind you, i only have a surface-level understanding of it, not an indepth...
[13:22] <xTEMPLARx> if its like most other bills in congress, they'll find some way to poison the apple juice
[13:22] <binarymutant> they have SLAPP in other states
[13:23] <binarymutant> I also like this comment: "Please FIX the system don't PATCH it!"
[13:25] <binarymutant> err they have anti-slapp in some states*
[13:27] <netritious> SLAPP a ho
[13:27] <xTEMPLARx> it sure would be a game-changer though, if they could burden the lawsuit-bringer with the financial cost of their defendant's defense in court.  It should force them to do what they SHOULDA done anyway, i.e., verify that they really have a legitimate case prior to ever going to court with it
[13:27] <binarymutant> xTEMPLARx, that's what the anti-slapp laws do
[13:28] <xTEMPLARx> netritious:  I didn't know you were native american
[13:28] <binarymutant> watching htop is making me mad >:(
[13:28] <netritious> this could also encourage more defendants to seek better (more expensive) counsel to
[13:28] <xTEMPLARx> binarymutant, why for?
[13:28] <netritious> counsel or council?
[13:28] <xTEMPLARx> sel
[13:29] <binarymutant> xTEMPLARx, because both my cpu's are running at 50% bc of 1 flash video
[13:29] <netritious> xTEMPLARx: actually I do carry more than a moderate amount of native DNA
[13:29] <xTEMPLARx> binarymutant, strange
[13:29] <xTEMPLARx> my DNA is native to me
[13:29] <netritious> touche
[13:29] <binarymutant> running 2 flash videos and both cpu's will run at 75%, it's making me mad
[13:30] <netritious> binarymutant: it could be the video, not neccesarily flash. HD video? poorly written streamer? high CPU usage.
[13:31] <netritious> otoh, it could be sid is sucking right now :/
[13:31] <binarymutant> 360p
[13:31] <binarymutant> sid is sucking :/
[13:31] <netritious> youtube or....
[13:32] <binarymutant> maybe it is time to find a new distro that I can stick with :/
[13:32] <netritious> hm. Maybe try Mint?
[13:33] <netritious> according to distrowatch, very very popular.
[13:33] <binarymutant> the derivative of a derivative?
[13:33] <binarymutant> I'd say that would be running debian sid anyways
[13:33] <netritious> yeah, kinda why I don't bother.
[13:34] <binarymutant> gotta do some research before I switch to the next distro
[13:34] <netritious> there is a debian vs of mint, but then you would be right back where you are now maybe
[13:45] <binarymutant> http://wiki.archbang.org/index.php?title=Main_Page "Arch Linux is under going changes, upgrades and improvements to the Arch Linux system, and so for the time being we recommend that you do not use Arch/ArchBang as your sole OS."
[13:47] <xTEMPLARx> but...but... you can't try Mint.  How will you enjoy your Unity interface on Mint?
[13:51] <binarymutant> maybe I'll just try to figure out what's going on with debian
[13:52] <netritious> there's always Fedora
[13:52] <netritious> I hear lots of good things about it
[13:53] <binarymutant> yeah I haven't used rpm since 2002ish
[13:59] <xTEMPLARx> same here
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> I used to be a RH fanatic after I ditched slackware
[14:00] <xTEMPLARx> then when the whole fedora thing came out I started losing interest
[14:00] <netritious> There's always Ubuntu :D
[14:01] <binarymutant> I switched to debs for apt-get and when RH got yum I tried it but it was super slow compared to apt
[14:01] <binarymutant> at the time**
[14:02] <netritious> afk
[14:36] <binarymutant> anyone use the nouveau driver?
[14:38] <xTEMPLARx> for Nvidia?
[14:39] <binarymutant> yeah
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> Not I... I've been using the NVIDIA supplied drivers for a while now
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> have an update i need to install now, actually
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> the last time I used the nouveau driver it was very young
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> brb
[15:17] <binarymutant> finally. Nothing like dealing with video drivers in the morning
[15:20] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[15:20] <xTEMPLARx> i want to install mine, but it won't let me install as long as an X server is running
[15:20] <xTEMPLARx> not sure how to kill GDM/X on ubuntu 12.04
[15:21] <binarymutant> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[15:21] <xTEMPLARx> not without going further than I really want to
[15:21] <binarymutant> I think ubuntu still has sys-v compatibility
[15:21] <xTEMPLARx> tried that, and it didn't work :\
[15:21] <xTEMPLARx> and nope
[15:21] <xTEMPLARx> its all upstart now
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> when I try to use the sys-v init scripts, I get a message telling me to use service gdm stop
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> which fails every time with "unknown instance"
[15:22] <binarymutant> ctrl+alt+backspace?
[15:23] <netritious> it's either gdm, gdm3, or lightdm
[15:23] <xTEMPLARx> that may be my problem, net... thanks for the tip
[15:23] <binarymutant> I thought upstart still supported sys-v init.d scripts :/
[15:24] <netritious> ctrl+f1, service {gdm,gdm3,lightdm} stop
[15:24] <netritious> well upstart uses /etc/init versus /etc/init.d
[15:24] <binarymutant> systemd still has init.d compat
[15:25] <netritious> but you knew that
[15:27] <binarymutant> upstart says it still supports sysvinit
[15:28] <binarymutant> oh well, not my thing
[15:28] <netritious> right, but if the script is in /etc/init and not in /etc/init.d and there is no symlink, wouldn't /etc/init.d/{script here} fail?
[15:28] <xTEMPLARx> whee!
[15:29] <binarymutant> netritious, yes
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> when you said that, net, it rang a bell, as I remembered seeing a lot of lightdm entries in a ps output I had done earlier
[15:29] <binarymutant> netritious, but that's pretty literal :P
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> all that only to find out that the nvidia installer is not finding all of what it needs... guess I'll mess with it later when I have more time
[15:30] <binarymutant> nvidia sucks on my card, too many bugs. Try nouveau it's awesome
[15:30] <binarymutant> AND it does glx
[15:30] <netritious> binarymutant: +1 I use nouveau on ubuntu
[15:31] <binarymutant> it's good stuffs
[15:32] <xTEMPLARx> hrm
[15:33] <netritious> i tried the nvidia drivers once, I think the last time was with 10.04, then there was a kernel update, and X failed to start on reboot. I never bothered again.
[15:33] <xTEMPLARx> installing now... if I disappear for a while you'll know why
[15:33] <xTEMPLARx> NVIDIA drivers have done very well by me for a long time now
[15:33] <xTEMPLARx> both here and at home
[15:33] <xTEMPLARx> give me full control of card settings and everything
[15:33] <xTEMPLARx> haven't had any problemos
[15:34] <xTEMPLARx> but here lately, I've had a few nvidia-related crashes.  still, its been a long time since I've updated NVIDIA, while the machine has gone thru an upgrade or two
[15:34] <binarymutant> I couldn't restart my laptop bc of nvidia :/
[15:34] <binarymutant> or switch to the consoles
[15:35] <netritious> I hear good things about 'em, just sharing my experience. It could very well be I wasn't holding my mouth right or something.
[15:35] <netritious> or the card I was using
[15:35] <netritious> 9600GT
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> heck at this point I don't even know how to switch to the nouveau driver :D
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> this one is a 9800 GT I think
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> yup 9800 GT
[15:37] <netritious> my ubuntu workstation now has a 460GT, winders workstation has 560GTX? I thinkit's GTX, might just be GT though
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> if I were honest, its been a long while since I was able to delve into what's current and what the different model numbers represented
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> with a family going, I don't have the time or money to keep a "current" machine going lol
[15:39] <netritious> I get that. If I wouldn't have gotten a bonus earlier this year I wouldn't have been able to afford it myself.
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> i have to wait for the occasional income tax refund
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> those are my bonuses
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[15:40] <netritious> lol
[15:41] <netritious> i started a new contract back in feb, which ends tomorrow actually, so no more upgrades for quite some time for me.
[15:42] <netritious> but quad core 960-T, 8GB low latency ram, evga 560 GTX, sata II velociraptors, who needs more for a workstation? :P
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> in five years that stuff will seem slow
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> but during those five years
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> you're good
[15:44] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:44] <netritious> ^that's what I was thinking when I spent the money :D
[15:44] <netritious> good for another five years
[15:45] <netritious> I've been eye-balling the new 8-core Zambezi CPUs... ::drool::
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> the mobo I have in my home machine I bought because of its expandability... it has a quad-core AMD in it now, but it supports more cores
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> same with ram
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> got 4gb when I bought it, but supports way more.  just haven't had the spare cash
[15:46] <netritious> same here. what make/model?
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> it doesn't help that I'm a little-bit-of-everything sort of person... thus all my interests vie for any "spare" cash I may have
[15:46] <netritious> *4x2GB on the ram....
[15:46]  * netritious can't does math
[15:47] <xTEMPLARx> lemme look my mobo up
[15:47] <xTEMPLARx> i can't ever remember
[15:47] <netritious> never heard of it, is that a new distro?
[15:48] <netritious> ^Spare Cash Linux ?
[15:48] <binarymutant> that's what I use lols
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> This'un.  http://bit.ly/NcRwNm
[15:48] <binarymutant> oh wait no I use: No Cash Linux
[15:49] <netritious> me to binarymutant. Friends helped me out on win7...it's the only reason I have it was b/c it was free (x2) or $30 (student promo when released.)
[15:49] <wrst> binarymutant: i think that is the original linux distro :)
[15:49] <binarymutant> lols
[15:49] <binarymutant> xTEMPLARx, usb3? wow
[15:50] <netritious> ver ver nice...I know that mobo
[15:50] <netritious> lol wrst
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> binarymutant, yeah... yet I"ve never used it, since I don't own any usb3 devices
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> i have one of the black edition triple-core cpus with the fourth core unlocked
[15:51] <binarymutant> didn't know it was out yet
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> guess it is
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> I've had this mobo for more than a year though
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> going on 2 years I guess
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> this coming spring will be 2 years, that is
[15:52] <netritious> on par with my wifes mobo xTEMPLARx, but she has Athlon II x2, 8GB ddr3...was so cheap and bought around the same time I guess.
[15:52] <netritious> just gigabyte's micro atx version.
[15:53] <xTEMPLARx> this has the AMD Phenom II X3 720 black edition, and a TwinFrozr 1GB GTS250 video card
[15:53] <binarymutant> geeze you guys must be gamers
[15:53] <xTEMPLARx> 4 gb of GSKILL ram
[15:53] <xTEMPLARx> if the machine can't play games, its of no use to me
[15:54] <netritious> wifes board: http://goo.gl/SQVab
[15:54] <netritious> ^it runs the HTPC
[15:54] <xTEMPLARx> that works :D
[15:54] <xTEMPLARx> how long have you used AMD, net?
[15:55] <netritious> I have a hauppauge? PCIe tv card, basic cable.
[15:55] <netritious> always
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> I've been an intel fanboy up until this machine, my first AMD
[15:55] <netritious> since 8088 clones.
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> i have to admit
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> its been my favorite thus far
[15:55] <netritious> you get the most bang for the buck.
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> so much so that when I had to rebuild this machine here at work, I went with AMD as well
[15:56] <netritious> $199 is the most expensive desktop CPU for AMD on newegg right now, the latest CPU.
[15:56] <xTEMPLARx> i have a phenomII X4 3.2ghz in this box, and the nvidia 9800 GT asus card
[15:56] <netritious> Intel's (I don't have to look) I bet is around $1,000
[15:56] <netritious> nice setup xTEMPLARx!
[15:57] <xTEMPLARx> it works pretty well
[15:57] <xTEMPLARx> just wish I had another monitor to add to it :D
[15:57] <netritious> mine is a phenom II 960-T quad-core @ 3.0GHz, 3.4GHz Turbo "something or the other"
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> any of you using a dual-monitor setup with ubuntu ?
[15:58]  * netritious grabs the box
[15:58] <binarymutant> xTEMPLARx, I sort of am
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> sort of?
[15:58] <netritious> *Turbo Core
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> explain :D
[15:58] <netritious> xTEMPLARx: yes
[15:58] <binarymutant> xTEMPLARx, when I switch to xbmc my other monitor starts
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> net:  any issues?
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> xbmc :D
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> i played with that for a while
[15:58] <binarymutant> it's fun
[15:59] <netritious> none with stock drivers on precise x64
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> yeah its pretty nifty
[15:59] <binarymutant> better than always having my laptop in my face
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> binary:  true that
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> netritious, very good.  I know that X and multiple monitor support has always been somewhat of a problem
[16:00] <xTEMPLARx> so I've not pushed the issue
[16:00] <binarymutant> no really an issue
[16:00] <binarymutant> not*
[16:00] <xTEMPLARx> for openGL and other gaming purposes?
[16:00] <binarymutant> yeah it's fine, depending on the game obv
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> WoW
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[16:01] <binarymutant> can you play WoW on linux?
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> pfft yes
[16:01] <binarymutant> wine?
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> stock wine, at that
[16:01] <binarymutant> ah
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> runs nicely
[16:01] <binarymutant> I don't know how intensive WoW is, so maybe
[16:01] <binarymutant> just configure your Xorg to use separate screens
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> it can be pretty intensive, but Wine has grown quite a bit in the last several years
[16:02] <netritious> my winders workstation mobo: http://goo.gl/djQuA
[16:02] <netritious> my linux workstation mobo: http://goo.gl/SQVab
[16:02] <netritious> linux is about to trade up.
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> that's very colorful
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> trade up?
[16:03] <netritious> yeah, going to move winders to a vm
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> its ultra durable :D
[16:03] <netritious> I don't play my games anymore really.
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> use virtualbox on  here for win7 and winxp
[16:03] <binarymutant> yeah me either
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> we also have a VMWare eSXi server here in the office that I put together with some other options on it
[16:04] <netritious> hey binarymutantI did try Urban Terror
[16:04] <binarymutant> that's an awesome game
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> I don't play with the frequency that I used to, but I still play when I need some "me" time
[16:05] <binarymutant> the only graphical computer game I play now is UrT
[16:05] <netritious> it was ok. for some reason I seem to gravitate to games based on the unreal engine, so I'm totally biased.
[16:05] <netritious> ^binarymutant
[16:05] <binarymutant> lol
[16:05] <binarymutant> I only play the quake engine :P
[16:06] <netritious> it's just one of those preference things is all.
[16:06] <binarymutant> there was one unreal that had huge maps and vehicles, I remember playing that
[16:06] <binarymutant> 2004?
[16:06] <netritious> yep
[16:06] <netritious> and UT3
[16:06] <binarymutant> yeah that was fun
[16:07] <binarymutant> and I played the original UT a few times, but mostly stick with quake
[16:07] <netritious> I don't have UT3, but want to have it now, but I might just need to can the gaming and do some more serious work with servers, services, virtualization, etc.
[16:08] <netritious> oh yeah, the original UT...that was fun.
[16:08] <xTEMPLARx> I played UT quite a bit back in the day
[16:08] <binarymutant> serious work is so boring though :/
[16:08] <netritious> back in the day my wife would play that on a SFF compaq presario desktop with 733MHz PII lol
[16:08] <xTEMPLARx> but no more than any others... probably spent more time in Quake3 than any of them
[16:08] <xTEMPLARx> played a lot of duke nuke'em too
[16:10]  * wrst is all business
[16:10] <netritious> yeah right
[16:10] <wrst> i can never get anyone to buy that
[16:10] <netritious> lol
[16:10] <wrst> only reason my dekstop gets turned on is to play games
[16:12] <netritious> I knew it!
[16:12] <netritious> wrst the gamer
[16:13] <binarymutant> lol
[16:13] <binarymutant> we all are
[16:13] <netritious> yeah
[16:13] <binarymutant> lol
[16:14]  * wrst threatens to kick xTEMPLARx
[16:14] <binarymutant> oh that went way different then what I was thinking
[16:14] <binarymutant> that's about right ^^^
[16:14]  * xTEMPLARx pokes wrst in the eye with a hot stick.
[16:15] <netritious> you guys cut that out. this is virtually a violence free channel after all.
[16:15] <wrst> ha ha
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> well if wrst is gonna put on his big boy pants, I gotta arm myself with virtual tree branches
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> and poor old Genphlux walked into that sentence with no back-story to give it meaning
[16:18] <wrst> ha ha
[16:21] <netritious> lol
[16:21] <netritious> wb Genphlux
[16:23] <netritious> Svpernova09 should spam this channel, or at least spam the mailing list.
[16:23] <Svpernova09> >.>
[16:24] <netritious> tell 'em about that thing. there are quite a few w. tennesseeians in here
[16:25] <wrst> netritious: too many westerners in here, from the flat part of the state :)
[16:25] <netritious> lol
[16:26]  * wrst is being entertained by facebook arguments
[16:27] <netritious> Svpernova09: someone in here that isn't an MM member might want to participate.
[16:28] <Svpernova09> oh that thing
[16:29] <Svpernova09> If anyone within driving distance to Memphis/Bartlett is into web programming, check out http://wiki.midsouthmakers.org/a/MMCodeMonkey
[16:29] <Svpernova09> It's open to non members.
[16:35] <netritious> yeah, that thing :)
[16:38] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[16:44] <Svpernova09> Also, if any of you are interested in a LAN Party, We're hosting on August 25th.
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> whatchya playin?
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> tux racer?
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[16:48] <Svpernova09> >.>
[16:49] <Svpernova09> <.<
[16:49] <Svpernova09> https://www.facebook.com/events/176447642487956/
[17:07] <xTEMPLARx> I don't see no WoW in there... guess you guys aren't serious about your gaming.
[17:20] <Svpernova09> lol I get shunned because I'm a WoW player.
[17:22] <xTEMPLARx> pffft
[17:22] <xTEMPLARx> its because they can't hang
[17:22] <Svpernova09> lol
[17:22] <xTEMPLARx> all of them used to play
[17:22] <xTEMPLARx> and their parents made them quit
[17:22] <Svpernova09> some of them, yeah.
[17:22] <xTEMPLARx> or their wives
[17:22] <xTEMPLARx> and so they resent you for still getting to play it
[17:22] <Svpernova09> lol
[17:23] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[17:25] <binarymutant> reformatting was shooting myself in the foot. I see that now
[17:26] <wrst> binarymutant: debian?
[17:26] <binarymutant> yeah
[17:26] <Svpernova09> reformatting is like a hot shower.
[17:26] <binarymutant> but the problems aren't debian specific
[17:26] <wrst> nvidia?
[17:26] <binarymutant> dropped it
[17:27] <binarymutant> no these problems are customizations that I have to do over again bc of the reformat
[17:27] <binarymutant> and every now and then I keep finding new ones
[17:28] <binarymutant> like running pulseaudio from xinit instead of from bootup
[17:31] <xTEMPLARx> booo
[17:32] <binarymutant> boo change
[17:36] <binarymutant> I should start running everything as a user so if I change distro's or reformat I won't have to do this crap anymore
[17:41] <wrst> binarymutant: i must ask, why does it matter about how pulse starts up?
[17:41] <wrst> and wb binarymutant :)
[17:41] <binarymutant> wrst, for my laptop's volume keys
[17:41] <wrst> ahh
[17:42] <wrst> i feel sorry for anyone that is doing anything much with pulse audio
[17:42] <binarymutant> wrst, what do you use?
[17:42] <wrst> i use pulse but i mean if you have troubles with it
[17:43] <binarymutant> ah no trouble, I just forgot that Arch doesn't start it at boot but debian does
[17:43] <wrst> on both of my machines it works really well even on my desktop and i have multiple sound cards etc on it, but when i get in that zone i use jack
[17:44] <binarymutant> jackd is cool too
[17:44] <binarymutant> anything that lets me listen to multiple things at the same time
[17:50] <xTEMPLARx> for some reason
[17:50] <xTEMPLARx> unbeknownst to me
[17:50] <xTEMPLARx> i have "the time of my life" stuck in my head
[17:51] <xTEMPLARx> that 80's duet?
[17:51] <xTEMPLARx> argh...
[17:51] <xTEMPLARx> http://bit.ly/Nd2BOu
[17:51] <xTEMPLARx> click!  and share in my torment!
[17:51] <Svpernova09> must be itching to watch some dirty dancing
[17:52] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i shall not click!
[17:53] <wrst> binarymutant: i use it with multitrack recording it works actually pretty well when you get it set up
[17:53] <binarymutant> wrst, that's pretty cool stuff
[17:53] <wrst> yeah ardour is wonderful
[17:55] <xTEMPLARx> speaking of which!
[17:55] <xTEMPLARx> here are some free VSTs and plugins:  http://bit.ly/QC4tnH
[17:55] <xTEMPLARx> i haven't gotten a chance to go thru all of them
[17:56] <xTEMPLARx> but they've gotten some good reviews
[17:57] <wrst> ahh thank you xTEMPLARx
[17:57] <wrst> i rarely have time to record and mess with anything
[17:58] <wrst> binarymutant: our life would be easier if we would just install ubuntu and not mess with things
[17:58] <binarymutant> so true
[17:59] <binarymutant> my system prolly can't take Ubuntu though
[17:59] <binarymutant> with it's fancy pants composite :D
[17:59] <xTEMPLARx> ubuntu has surprised me more often at what it WOULD do as opposed to what it wouldn't
[18:00] <wrst> yeah but binarymutant and I are rebels
[18:00] <binarymutant> <- rebel without a clue
[18:01] <wrst> what binarymutant said applies to me
[18:02] <binarymutant> :P
[18:02] <wrst> binarymutant: i don't mind ubuntu really actually i like it if the gui didn't smell bad
[18:03] <wrst> and if i'm going to go to all that trouble might as well go all out!
[18:03] <binarymutant> without the gui it'd just be called Debian wouldn't it?
[18:03] <Svpernova09> I use ubuntu over debian because in the event I hit a snag, "ubuntu" returns better search results than anything else + my issue
[18:04] <wrst> +1 Svpernova09 :)
[18:04] <binarymutant> Svpernova09, you got me there, I still use Ubuntu + search term
[18:04] <wrst> binarymutant: nah i mean they are similar but there's enough difference, just ask netritious
[18:04] <binarymutant> right after I use Arch + search term
[18:04] <wrst> i either use ubuntu or arch wiki for my search terms
[18:05] <binarymutant> the difference between ubuntu and debian is nil when your only using motu packages
[18:06] <binarymutant> I have a feeling that's the same with mint too
[18:06] <binarymutant> s/motu/universe
[18:07] <binarymutant> maybe upstart vs sysvinit (soon to be systemd)
[18:07] <wrst> yeah im sorry mint makes me angry
[18:08] <binarymutant> wrst, why?
[18:08] <wrst> for no real reason other than i look at it and don't like it
[18:08] <binarymutant> lol
[18:08] <wrst> i shouldn't be that way but I am :)
[18:08] <wrst> i mean really do you need it easier than ubuntu???
[18:08] <wrst> and now mint comes with an ugly half working gui, just like ubuntu 11.04!
[18:09] <binarymutant> yeah I wonder how that started? Did the mint devs get their patches rejected by ubuntu or did they just fork without trying to change ubuntu first
[18:09] <Svpernova09> the benefits of mint for me was the better hardware support.
[18:09] <binarymutant> what hardware?
[18:10] <Svpernova09> Specifically bluetooth adapters and web cams
[18:10] <Svpernova09> Ubuntu required manual configuration. Mint just worked.
[18:10] <binarymutant> that's strange :/
[18:10] <Svpernova09> Pretty normal with my history of ubuntu.
[18:11] <Svpernova09> Aside from webcams. usually those just work.
[18:12] <binarymutant> I don't run into anything that doesn't work out of box, but my hardware's always old
[18:12] <Svpernova09> One annoying thing, Mint still handles multiple monitors like shit.
[18:12] <Svpernova09> Just like ubuntu
[18:13] <binarymutant> oh that's right ubuntu dropped xorg didn't they?
[18:13] <Svpernova09> Although last I tried it took less monkeying with Mint than Ubuntu.
[18:13] <Svpernova09> Yep.
[18:13] <binarymutant> I completely forgot
[18:13] <binarymutant> so does mint use wayland too?
[18:13] <Svpernova09> I'm not sure. Honestly I didn't keep that install around very long.
[18:14] <binarymutant> ah
[18:14] <Svpernova09> 90% of my linux usuage is at the server level.
[18:14] <xTEMPLARx> so what are you using these days wrst?
[18:14] <Svpernova09> I have a few desktop VMs, but nothing running on bare metal.
[18:14] <wrst> arch linux with gnome shell
[18:15] <wrst> binarymutant: wayland isn't default in anything right now
[18:15] <binarymutant> not even in Ubuntu?
[18:15] <wrst> nope still uses xorg
[18:15] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  still using gnome shell here as well, but on top of precise
[18:15] <binarymutant> hmm
[18:15] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i don't like the ubuntu tweaked version of gnome shell i like the vanilla better i know i could change it but if i did i coudln't complain
[18:16] <xTEMPLARx> i installed my gnome shell from the dev ppa, so I'm not certain that it's ubuntu-centric
[18:16] <xTEMPLARx> I wouldn't know the difference if it were
[18:16] <xTEMPLARx> as this is the only way i've used it
[18:16] <binarymutant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland they say they don't know when they're going to make wayland default as of last month
[18:17] <xTEMPLARx> wrst so why arch?
[18:18] <wrst> because i coudl xTEMPLARx :)
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> fair enough
[18:18] <wrst> its a good learning experience actually
[18:18] <binarymutant> bc it's awesome
[18:18] <binarymutant> everything else is stale in comparison
[18:18] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i have better luck fixing issues in any distro now after using arch i understand how things fit together and what not a lot easier
[18:18] <xTEMPLARx> yet here you are struggling with pulseaudio in a debian install :P
[18:19] <wrst> and of course the fresh packages are nice at least they are nice when they aren't eating your hamster
[18:19] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  haha
[18:19] <netritious> twinkie was such a good little guy to
[18:19] <binarymutant> xTEMPLARx, running update-rc.d isn't a struggle, just hard to remember every system wide detail I had on my last distro
[18:19] <wrst> but xTEMPLARx i have gnome-shell and I also have a GUI package management (package-kit) so i'm not living on the command line
[18:20]  * netritious followed in wrst's footsteps with arch
[18:20] <netritious> just in a vm though (kvm)
[18:20]  * wrst probably led netritious off a very tall cliff
[18:20] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  knowing how to build a house from the ground up doesn't mean you shouldn't paint the walls and hang pictures :D
[18:21] <netritious> lol
[18:21] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you aren't helping me out here
[18:21] <wrst> :P
[18:21] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[18:21] <xTEMPLARx> I think i'm gonna switch to FreeBSD
[18:21] <xTEMPLARx> this linux stuff is for the birds
[18:21] <xTEMPLARx> or the byrds
[18:21] <binarymutant> talk about stale :/
[18:21] <xTEMPLARx> turn turn tun
[18:21] <xTEMPLARx> turn*
[18:21] <xTEMPLARx> binarymutant, haha true that
[18:22] <binarymutant> debian has kfreebsd , more packages with them
[18:22] <xTEMPLARx> not a big fan of k*
[18:22] <netritious> you can run (some) linux on freebsd
[18:22] <binarymutant> kernel?
[18:23] <binarymutant> debian has freebsd's kernel
[18:23] <xTEMPLARx> kde*
[18:23] <binarymutant> no no, kernel freebsd = kfreebsd
[18:23] <netritious> binarymutant: I did not know that
[18:23] <netritious> about debian having freebsd's kernel
[18:23] <binarymutant> yeah, it's pretty cool
[18:23] <netritious> so it's in the form of kfreebsd? that is cool
[18:24] <binarymutant> http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD/
[18:24] <xTEMPLARx> i was looking at http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why
[18:24] <binarymutant> bsd's /proc is so weird though
[18:25] <binarymutant> and /dev
[18:26] <wrst> ok this is bad all this talk now makes me want to burn my arch partition and put something else on it!
[18:26] <xTEMPLARx> resist!
[18:26] <chris4585> wrst, ??
[18:27] <binarymutant> wrst, arch is more fun
[18:27] <binarymutant> they're still on FF10
[18:28] <wrst> binarymutant: i didnt' say debian
[18:29]  * wrst checks out gentoo so he can beat his head against another brick wall for a while
[18:29] <wrst> really i dont have time to tinker much any more I may go back to ubuntu and go gnome shell instead of unity
[18:29] <chris4585> wrst, having troubles with arch?
[18:30] <wrst> chris4585: no i'm not but just have the urge to change and blow things up for the fun of it i suppose
[18:30] <wrst> actually arch is working too well it never breaks
[18:30] <wrst> i miss blowing my machine up every 6 months
[18:30] <chris4585> lol
[18:30] <wrst> chris4585: really arch for a rolling distro if you read the website is really really stable
[18:30] <chris4585> I have an old mint 12 partition still...
[18:31] <wrst> i keep ubuntu on my laptop also just don't use it but that's more because i don't like unity really
[18:31] <chris4585> the other day i randomly through 12.10 alpha on my laptop, and I could get used to unity there...
[18:32] <xTEMPLARx> wow arch linux iso is tiny
[18:32] <xTEMPLARx> that's refreshing
[18:32] <wrst> chris4585: i don't hate unity i just don't like it , i think its really a good desktop actually, i think i just hate the theme as much as anything that black stuff splattered with orange
[18:33] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: don't worry you make up for the small size expecially now that there is no ncurses install helper, its all scripts now!
[18:33] <binarymutant> lol
[18:33] <xTEMPLARx> BLASPHEMY
[18:33] <binarymutant> must bootstrap to install it
[18:33] <xTEMPLARx> MORE BLASPHEMY
[18:33] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: and when you read the forums the leaders at arch are happy about it i think they had gotten to be more popular than they wanted :)
[18:34] <chris4585> it really isn't hard, just follow the installation wiki
[18:34] <xTEMPLARx> RTFM?!?!  YOU MUST BE JOKING
[18:34] <xTEMPLARx> okay I'm done with caps now
[18:34] <chris4585> lol
[18:34] <wrst> i know chris4585 but i had gotten to the point i didn't need the wiki to get a cool up and running system i don't feel like an expert anymore
[18:34] <chris4585> wrst, I think I hate the dash more than anything and the lack of freedom
[18:35] <chris4585> wrst, neither did I really, the menu helper wasn't hard at all
[18:35] <wrst> chris4585: its a lot like gnome-shell really you have to install third party things to make your desktop anything close to what you want and none of that is good in my book
[18:35] <chris4585> and setting up stuff like xorg isn't hard
[18:35] <xTEMPLARx> pacstrap!
[18:35] <binarymutant> xorg is automagic now
[18:35] <binarymutant> xTEMPLARx, lol
[18:35] <xTEMPLARx> anybody here listen to rap during the 90s?
[18:35] <wrst> i'm too young for that xTEMPLARx
[18:36] <xTEMPLARx> the roots did a song called "dat skat"
[18:36] <xTEMPLARx> which pacstrap makes me think of
[18:36] <xTEMPLARx> but oh well
[18:36] <chris4585> binarymutant, ironically I used nvidia-xconfig to setup my xorg.conf but then my nvidia card pooped and I switched "nvidia to "radeon" and it worked beautifully <3
[18:36] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, yeah
[18:36] <binarymutant> did you delete xorg.conf or something?
[18:36] <wrst> i can't beleive you let teh "i'm too young for it" comment slide xTEMPLARx but thanks
[18:36] <wrst> xorg.conf that's so 2005
[18:37] <binarymutant> :P
[18:37] <binarymutant> 1999
[18:37] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[18:37] <chris4585> nah when using nvidia, nvidia-xconfig automatically makes an xorg.conf, just my nvidia card stopped working
[18:37] <wrst> binarymutant: something i love about my little weenie intel video card on my laptop i need nothing to make it work
[18:37] <xTEMPLARx> downloading arch .iso from brasil
[18:37] <binarymutant> chris4585, but you didn't change the driver portion of xorg and it still worked? xorg rocks
[18:37] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: are you bored? :)
[18:37] <xTEMPLARx> I'm not sure why, but I always get faster downloads when I don't download from the U.S.
[18:38] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  maybe
[18:38] <xTEMPLARx> gonna virtualbox it up
[18:38] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: is lenoir city now closer to south america???
[18:38] <chris4585> nah I did, but its ironic because nvidia helped me setup my xorg to get radeon working lol
[18:38] <xTEMPLARx> so no danger to my work :D
[18:38] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  I think so!
[18:38] <xTEMPLARx> if my wife had HER way, it would be
[18:38] <xTEMPLARx> she wants to move to Guatemala
[18:38] <chris4585> without the driver change it was all 800x600 on my 28" monitor :|
[18:38] <wrst> sweet so i can take my wife on that tropical vacation and just drive 45 minutes
[18:38] <binarymutant> chris4585, lols
[18:38] <xTEMPLARx> yup!  put some sunscreen on that bebbe
[18:39] <wrst> oh me xTEMPLARx my wife took her swimming this week and constantly sprayed that stuff on her but she is so fair complected (pasty white) that she still got some sun burn
[18:39] <xTEMPLARx> yeah hard not to
[18:40] <xTEMPLARx> especially with the rays we've been getting this summer
[18:40] <xTEMPLARx> you know, what with the global warming n all
[18:40] <wrst> yes like the sun is mad at us
[18:40] <wrst> and what did i ever to to the sun? nothing
[18:41] <xTEMPLARx> you ignored it by going inside and staring at that dastardly computer screen for so long
[18:41] <wrst> binarymutant: only problem on not using arch some is it really is "the most interesting distro alive" so anything else would be boring
[18:41] <xTEMPLARx> gotta VPN to a customer site... bbiaf
[18:41] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yes and i think the sun hates air conditioning
[18:41] <wrst> later xTEMPLARx
[18:42] <binarymutant> wrst, how arch manages itself is weird
[18:42] <wrst> what do you mean binarymutant?
[18:42] <binarymutant> like 2 devs will say they want to put everything in / into /usr and the next day it happens
[18:42] <wrst> oh yeah
[18:43] <chris4585> I feel like I understand arch's way, way better than ubuntu or debian's way
[18:43] <wrst> but binarymutant they just don't care
[18:43] <wrst> and i kind of like that
[18:43] <binarymutant> debian you have to vote and it's very democratic, which I like
[18:43]  * wrst would prefer being the linux distro dictator
[18:43] <binarymutant> lol
[18:43] <chris4585> lol
[18:44] <binarymutant> we could start the ubuntu-us-tn distro and give you the reigns wrst
[18:44] <wrst> we could watch that puppy burn!
[18:44] <chris4585> I think this whole channel would be a good distro team
[18:44] <wrst> but yeah i think the debian way is the most sane way and also if you need it to work etc, but arch is just pretty cool
[18:45] <binarymutant> arch is awesome I'll give them that
[18:45] <binarymutant> I wish debian was as bleeding edge
[18:46] <chris4585> so when xorg is deprecated and we use wayland is that a decision made my debian's people?
[18:46] <chris4585> because they have been talking about wayland for like 2years now?
[18:46] <binarymutant> no
[18:47] <binarymutant> that's all on Ubuntu
[18:47] <chris4585> ah, I figured it would be one of those choices debian makes then the whole linux kingdom follows
[18:47] <wrst> maybe they will have wayland and all the boot issues of uefi all combined in one distro just to make it fun!
[18:47] <chris4585> I hope when they do it really helps ubuntu, I just feel for when that does happy that release will be a terrible one..
[18:48] <chris4585> LOL wrst
[18:48] <binarymutant> well it does, but because debian is a democracy and needs to have more then 2/3's of the vote to do anything things like that rarely happen
[18:48] <wrst> chris4585: i think it would make sense to go to wayland as default a long time before an LTS so you have plenty of time to clean the mess up
[18:48] <binarymutant> they still don't use systemd for example. I doubt they'll move away from xorg
[18:48] <chris4585> yeah that makes sense
[18:48] <wrst> i see why they want to move away from xorg
[18:49] <wrst> ubuntu that is
[18:49] <binarymutant> why?
[18:49] <binarymutant> xorg rocks
[18:49] <chris4585> systemd always confused me, I have no idea what that does
[18:49] <chris4585> is that the mechanism in charge of starting services?
[18:49] <binarymutant> chris4585, it's an init system to boot the system
[18:49] <binarymutant> chris4585, yea
[18:49] <chris4585> ah
[18:50] <chris4585> there are some things I still have no clue about.. :)
[18:50] <binarymutant> everybody loves systemd
[18:50] <binarymutant> except the people that don't :P
[18:51] <chris4585> arch uses its own thing right?
[18:51] <binarymutant> systemd
[18:51] <chris4585> ah alright
[18:51]  * chris4585 does research
[18:51] <binarymutant> I think ubuntu is the only distro that uses it's own initsystem
[18:52] <binarymutant> debian uses the old sys-v way still
[18:52] <chris4585> I wish I had millions and billions of dollars to throw at people and say build me the perfect open linux distro lol
[18:53] <binarymutant> you could make it for free though
[18:53] <chris4585> yeah I could, but I feel like it would take 15 years to get to perfection
[18:53] <binarymutant> what would it be called though?
[18:55] <chris4585> I have no idea
[18:55] <binarymutant> :D
[18:55] <chris4585> I'd let the community choose
[18:57] <chris4585> I ordered something on corsair's website July 19th, for $4.99 with $11.30 shipping... it just now shipped
[18:57] <binarymutant> oh man don't get me started
[18:57] <chris4585> glad it wasn't anything vital, just an usb 2 header to usb 3 connector converter adapter thingy
[18:58] <binarymutant> that raspberry pi - won't even ship for 10 weeks
[18:58] <chris4585> damn
[18:58] <binarymutant> ikr
[18:58] <binarymutant> you have usb3?
[18:58] <chris4585> my case does, but not my motherboard, so I'm getting an adapter
[18:59] <binarymutant> that's so cool
[18:59] <chris4585> my brother has usb 3 though, for $670 we built him a pretty awesome rig
[18:59] <chris4585> yeah
[19:00] <chris4585> binarymutant, http://www.corsair.com/us/corsair-carbide-granite-accessory-box.html
[19:01] <binarymutant> that's weird looking
[19:01] <binarymutant> is it plugging into the serial?
[19:01] <chris4585> one end goes into a usb2 header and the other one is the female side for a usb 3 connector
[19:02] <binarymutant> seems really big
[19:02] <chris4585> that end for the usb3 connector is the same size on a mobo if it has usb3, if you didn't know
[19:02] <binarymutant> hm
[19:02] <chris4585> http://www.techpowerup.com/img/10-07-15/63b.jpg
[19:03] <binarymutant> I guess they had to make it bigger than a usb2 connector cuz it's faster
[19:04] <chris4585> yeah
[19:04] <chris4585> kind of sucks though, gotta buy a part just to get my other usb ports working and with only usb 2 speeds :(
[19:09] <chris4585> but I desperately need more usb ports open
[19:12] <binarymutant> got a lot of external drives or something?
[19:15] <chris4585> usb keyboard, 2 external hdds, usb powered speakers, usb hub with bluetooth adapter, then I have usually 1 free spot for random stuff, another one usually a flash drive or sdcard adapter is plugged in
[19:15] <chris4585> lol
[19:15] <binarymutant> dang
[19:15] <binarymutant> that's a lot
[19:16] <chris4585> for a while now I've thought about taking out the hdds in the external enclosures because I don't ever move them
[19:16] <chris4585> I want to but don't at the same time
[19:17] <binarymutant> make them internal?
[19:17] <chris4585> yeah
[19:17] <xTEMPLARx> arch is blazing away
[19:18] <chris4585> woot
[19:18] <binarymutant> +1
[19:19] <netritious> congrats xTEMPLARx
[19:19] <chris4585> hrm, can you trick fstab into thinking a internal hdd is still an external hdd?
[19:19] <netritious> sup chris4585
[19:19] <chris4585> hey netritious
[19:19] <netritious> chris4585: have you tried?
[19:19] <binarymutant> fstab? use udisks
[19:20] <chris4585> netritious, nah but thinking about it
[19:20] <chris4585> udisks.. I have udiskie automounting for openbox
[19:20] <binarymutant> yeah
[19:20] <binarymutant> just use that
[19:20] <chris4585> I'm assuming udisks is the backend for udiskie?
[19:21] <binarymutant> idk udiskie, I just know udisks and pmount
[19:25] <chris4585> I'm afraid if I do, I wont like it as much so meh
[19:31] <vychune> o/
[19:31] <vychune> anybody know why JK Rowling is randomly on the MOTD for freenode? lol
[19:35] <Unit193> You are connected to rowling.freenode.net, and that's who it's named after.
[19:39] <vychune> oh
[19:39] <vychune> sudo ./slapself.sh
[19:40] <netritious> o/ vychune
[19:40] <vychune> hows it going?
[19:40] <binarymutant> you read the motd?
[19:40] <netritious> good. how's the server install going?
[19:41] <binarymutant> ha I got robert holmes
[19:42] <vychune> binarymutant: i glance at it
[19:42] <vychune> netritious: good finishing it up
[19:42] <netritious> awesome
[19:42] <vychune> doing proftpd
[19:42] <vychune> and openssl
[19:42] <vychune> and other stuff lol
[19:43] <netritious> all good stuff
[19:44] <xTEMPLARx> well
[19:44] <xTEMPLARx> i thought I'd broken it, but i'm staring at an arch login now
[19:44] <xTEMPLARx> no idea what I set my root passwd to
[19:44] <xTEMPLARx> someone help me fix it
[19:45] <binarymutant> restart
[19:45] <binarymutant> reformat*
[19:45] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[19:45] <xTEMPLARx> <--- was playin'
[19:45] <netritious> lol
[19:45] <netritious> lol
[19:45] <netritious> uh
[19:45] <netritious> ^sorry about that
[19:46] <netritious> got some lag there on the LAN :/
[19:47] <xTEMPLARx> XD
[19:47] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: how do you like arch? :)
[19:47] <netritious> s/there/here/
[19:47] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  thus far its very bleak
[19:47] <xTEMPLARx> its like the mad max of linux systems
[19:47] <xTEMPLARx> desolate countryside for as far as the eye can see
[19:47] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: why do you say bleak, its a blank canvas
[19:48] <xTEMPLARx> :P
[19:48] <vychune> o/ wrst
[19:51] <wrst> hello vychune!
[19:52] <Unit193> He's ready to pounce anytime!  Be careful!
[19:52] <vychune> um.....noob question lol: how do i see my server's internet ip address?
[19:52] <vychune> Unit193: oro?
[19:52] <vychune> that was random lol
[19:52] <Unit193> wget -qO- ifcomfig.me/ip
[19:52] <Unit193> vychune: Not as much, look at wrst. ;)
[19:53] <vychune> lol
[19:53] <Unit193> config, not comfig...
[19:54] <vychune> thanks
[19:56] <vychune> s/config/comfig lol i cangt stand vi but love knowing what that means now lol
[19:56] <wrst> that's a handy little bit of trickery Unit193, thanks
[19:56] <vychune> s/can't/cangt
[19:57] <binarymutant> ifconfig?
[19:58] <vychune> ikr
[19:58] <binarymutant> the router will tell
[19:58] <vychune> (@ wrst)
[19:58] <vychune> the router is what came up
[19:58] <vychune> gotta port forword
[20:01] <Unit193> wrst: Yep, that site is handy, but I like my weather script more. :P
[20:02] <vychune> .w 38116
[20:02] <wrst> Unit193: i will just clicky clicky to the weather
[20:02] <vychune> oops wrong channel lol'
[20:03] <vychune> does we have a weather bot command in here?
[20:04] <binarymutant> !weather
[20:04] <binarymutant> vychune, you should make one, they're fun
[20:04] <vychune> !weather
[20:04] <Unit193> ./Public/weather is pretty easy to type. ;)
[20:05] <binarymutant> \msg Unit193 !weather
[20:05] <vychune> lol
[20:05] <vychune> ok
[20:05] <Unit193> binarymutant: You might be able to pull it from one of my bots....
[20:06] <vychune> binarymutant: got nowhere to put it though
[20:06] <binarymutant> just run it whenever you log in or something
[20:06] <vychune> hmm sounds cool
[20:07] <vychune> http://www.loadedcommerce.com/documents/requirements.pdf
[20:07] <vychune> ^on that page what are those components on page two? at the bottom?
[20:07] <vychune> the last four
[20:09] <binarymutant> could use Unit193's bots he's got a bunch
[20:09] <Unit193> wrst: ...Did you see the random animal sightings photoset?
[20:10] <Unit193> binarymutant: I have only 4 of mine running now, and kinda have control over another one.
[20:10] <binarymutant> ah
[20:11] <binarymutant> vychune, exif shows meta info from pics, ftp is file transfer protocol, iconv I guess is .icon support?, and gd is...
[20:12] <vychune> oops didnt see ftp there lol
[20:12] <binarymutant> graphihcs library
[20:12] <vychune> oh ok
[20:13] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, lol you're funny about the root password
[20:15] <vychune> chris4585: whats up dude
[20:16] <chris4585> hey vychune, not a lot, still setting up that server?
[20:17] <chris4585> this is weird... I don't have ifconfig
[20:17] <chris4585> [root@archbang chris]# whereis ifconfig
[20:17] <chris4585> ifconfig:
[20:18] <chris4585> is it ifcfg now?
[20:19] <Unit193> http://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/#ifconfig
[20:19] <chris4585> that is weird..
[20:19] <vychune> chris4585: yes lol
[20:20] <chris4585> dude, I wish things like this would stay the same in linux, thanks Unit193
[20:20] <vychune> Unit193: the hell?
[20:20] <Unit193> chris4585: Sure.
[20:20] <vychune> yes thank you
[20:20] <Unit193> Heh, sure.
[20:21] <vychune> i just learned a lot of these lol
[20:21] <chris4585> I'm just left wondering when ifconfig got deprecated
[20:23] <vychune> im wondering why didnt my prof. know this
[20:26] <vychune> how do i install iconv?
[20:29] <netritious> vychune: ?
[20:30] <netritious> for php?
[20:30] <vychune> i need iconv supprt on a server how do i do it?
[20:32] <netritious> depends on what depends on iconv
[20:33] <netritious> what needs iconv?
[20:33] <vychune> creloaded ecommrece
[20:33] <vychune> *ecommerce
[20:34] <netritious> is it PHP based?
[20:35] <vychune> yes
[20:35] <vychune> i think
[20:37]  * orias peeks in
[20:37] <orias> what time is the meeting tonight?
[20:37] <netritious> vychune: probably sudo apt-get install php5-iconv
[20:37] <Svpernova09> What are you doing with an ecommerce package that requres character set conversion?
[20:38] <netritious> orias: 7:30/8:30 pm CDT/EDT
[20:38] <orias> kk
[20:38] <orias> danke
[20:38] <vychune> orias: Svpernova09 long time no see guys
[20:38] <vychune> Svpernova09: not my call
[20:38] <Svpernova09> I'm here all the time :_D
[20:38] <orias> been around, just lurking
[20:38] <vychune> Svpernova09: hows the new space?
[20:39] <Svpernova09> so far so good.
[20:40] <vychune> glad you guys got it, but now i cant walk there lol
[20:42] <netritious> vychune: according to http://www.php.net/manual/en/iconv.requirements.php you should already have iconv support
[20:42] <vychune> oh lol
[20:43] <netritious> vychune: GIYF
[20:44] <vychune> yeah i need to remember that
[20:45] <vychune> http://www.giyf.com/gfx/en/simpsons_board.gif
[20:45] <Svpernova09> Google is my BEST friend, knows everything about me. has all my passwords.
[20:45] <netritious> lol
[20:46] <vychune> Svpernova09: smh lolk
[20:46] <vychune> s/lol/lolk
[20:48] <xTEMPLARx> is it time to go home yet?
[20:48] <xTEMPLARx> coz I'm ready to jet
[20:49] <Svpernova09> ^
[20:54] <vychune> i heard that
[21:03] <vychune> see you guys in the meet
[23:37] <chris4585> wrst, I may reinstall KDE http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.9/
[23:37] <chris4585> just for shits and giggles... also when I removed KDE not all the components left with it :/
[23:37] <chris4585> if there was one thing arch could do better is managing how to install and remove KDE or other desktop environments
[23:58] <wrst> chris4585: actually there is a post somehwere with the command to do it :)


[01:01] <meister`> Hello, I have a new lubuntu install, but logging in seems to revert me back to the login screen right after it appears to start up. Any ideas?
[01:01] <meister`> 14.04 by the way
[01:06] <meister`> nevermind, I fixed it by reinstalling gdm
[09:15] <Martix> Hello, anybody here, please?
[09:17] <Martix> I need help with wifi connection in my Netbook ASUS Eee PC 1005PX, using Lubuntu
[09:18] <Martix> I really need help, please...
[09:24] <Martix>                                                ...ANYBODY HERE? :))
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[18:22] <danes> It's been a long time since I use lubuntu on this laptop so I decided to give it another try. Last time there was a hardware firmware issue with the graphics card that slowed down performance significantly. I cannot recall the command I used to check for any hw conflicts. Anyone can suggest something I can try to detect hw misconfigs?
[18:22] <danes> do I make sense?
[19:01] <holstein> danes: well, that may take more than just an appication.. i like to use arandr to test. but, you may need druver support
[21:44] <remline> If I install the lubuntu-desktop package in Xubuntu, how will that differ from installing Lubuntu?
[21:45] <Unit193> 1. I'd recommend installing the task over the meta.  2. You will still end up with all the extra packages that Xubuntu ships, such as Xfce.
[21:49] <remline> Thanks Unit193, what do you mean by the task over the meta?
[21:54] <Unit193> Basically, rather than  apt-get install lubuntu-desktop  do  apt-get install lubuntu-desktop^
[22:06] <remline> Unit193, does using the ^ character have something to do with regular expressions? Or am I missing the point.
[22:10] <rww> it tells APT that lubuntu-desktop is a task, not a package
[22:11] <rww> unrelated to regex
[22:25] <Unit193> A set of packages, installing a task means basically you are saying  apt-get install package1 package2 package3  and so on.  It makes a difference to apt when trying to resolve package deps.
[23:05] <remline> Ha, no wonder I was confused. Per help.ubuntu.com, "Calling tasks from apt-get is not documented anywhere."