[16:00] <arrrghhh> so where does mythbuntu log for the backend...?  I was on 0.28, and the backend would happily log to /var/log/mythtv... I recently blew away myth to downgrade to 0.27, and it's running but I don't see any backend log
[16:12] <arrrghhh> I tried adding --logpath to the "extra_args" in the upstart script, and still I do not have a backend log


[06:45] <kbmonkey> hello :)
[06:52] <superfly> morning kbmonkey
[10:12] <inetpro> good morning
[10:13] <kbmonkey> mornin
[10:17] <superfly> heya inetpro!
[10:18] <nlsthzn> Hello peoples...
[10:18] <superfly> sup nlsthzn
[10:18] <nlsthzn> :/ great... I didn't hear a thing ... guess I have to go check my notifications
[10:18] <nlsthzn> superfly: oh and hi :D
[10:20] <nlsthzn> superfly: if you don't mind.... could you ping me once more please...
[10:26] <superfly> ping nlsthzn
[10:28] <superfly> nlsthzn: is that what you want?
[10:34] <Kilos> morning superfly nuvolari and others
[10:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:35]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:35] <Kilos> Maaz, move it
[10:35] <Maaz> Don't rush me Kilos . Making decent coffee is an art
[10:36] <Kilos> sigh
[10:38] <Kilos> Maaz, where is everybody
[10:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Not a clue, sorry
[10:38]  * Kilos waves to nlsthzn
[10:39] <superfly> hi Kilos!
[10:39] <superfly> Kilos: did you and Ian get sorted?
[10:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:39] <Kilos> they wouldnt do it superfly
[10:39] <Kilos> sis helped ty
[10:40] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:40] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[10:40] <superfly> Kilos: OK
[10:40] <superfly> Kilos: send me your new number
[10:40] <Kilos> will do ty superfly  but first wanna gripe
[10:41] <superfly> Kilos: just for future reference
[10:41] <Kilos> there must surely be some law against these peeps sending you an sms saying you are subscribed to "whatever" at R5.99 a day
[10:42] <superfly> 0_0
[10:42] <superfly> there is
[10:42] <Kilos> then you gotta sms stop but they still steal a few times before stopping
[10:42] <superfly> Kilos: do you have the number?
[10:43] <Kilos> it is a pc number no a cell i think
[10:43] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos
[10:43] <nuvolari> how're you?
[10:43] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[10:43] <Kilos> well ty laddie
[10:44] <Kilos> nuvolari, whats that google goodie you added me to?
[10:44] <Squirm> hello
[10:44] <Kilos> lo Squirm
[10:45] <Kilos> i just need to change glasses so i can get the number for superfly
[10:47] <Kilos> +2783390673195360
[10:48] <Kilos> luckily there no airtime onna fone. i foned mtn and they say they can only block then after they have deducted the first R5.99
[10:48] <Kilos> grrrr
[10:51] <Kilos> the place is called Flycell Pack
[10:51] <nuvolari> Kilos: it's the new soscial platform from google
[10:52] <nlsthzn> Hey Mr. Kilos :)
[10:52] <Kilos> and there is a number in their help<PHONE_NUMBER>
[10:52] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: are you on Google+?
[10:52] <Kilos> what does it do nuvolari
[10:56] <nlsthzn> Kilos: it is basically Facebook
[10:57] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: I added you to a circle and now I am also getting your updates... did you add me also or is this automatic?
[10:59] <Kilos> oh. i stay away from facebook because it eats data. will go there again one day
[11:00] <Kilos> maybe i will go with the fone sometime. it uses like 10% of the data that the pc does
[11:00] <nlsthzn> Kilos: I think there is a mobile app for Google+, I am not sure...
[11:01] <Kilos> yeah thats what nuvolari  sent me
[11:01] <Kilos> i get the link
[11:01] <Kilos> http://m.google.com/+
[11:04] <Kilos> but its a google thing looks like not facebook hey?
[11:06] <nlsthzn> same features, a couple of neat new ones... still early days though
[11:06] <Kilos> oh like competition for fb?
[11:07] <Kilos> saw onna idiot box news fb is worth 70 billion
[11:07] <Kilos> think it was $
[11:08] <Kilos> anyway are all of you fit and well?
[11:40] <nuvolari> Kilos: well, I'm not really active on fb anymore
[11:40] <Kilos> ah me too
[11:40] <nuvolari> if google can make this work, I won't have a reason to not use it :P
[11:55] <nlsthzn> In Diaspora I really thought Aspects where awesome, now Google has Circles... definitely better way of doing things...
[12:02] <nlsthzn> superfly: Ah... I see the fly is also doing the G+ thing :p
[12:03] <superfly> nlsthzn: since before most other folks here ;-)
[12:04] <nlsthzn> I would imagine :)
[13:20] <kbmonkey> G+ is news to me, wow when did this happen :)
[13:21] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey: not sure the absolute beginning but it hit main stream media on TV a few days ago...
[14:55]  * Kilos hopes you are all getting ready to go home and have a good weekend
[15:00] <nlsthzn> Thanks uncle, same to you
[15:00] <Kilos> you off the weekend nlsthzn
[15:01] <nlsthzn> Off since yesterday... so two more days, daughter is visiting so I am taking her into the city tomorrow so see a real life show here... some fire blowing and arabian dancing etc... should be fun
[15:02] <Kilos> great enjoy
[15:48] <nuvolari> Kilos: almost
[15:48] <nuvolari> still stuff to do
[19:25] <Kilos> night all of you. sleep tight
[19:25] <Kilos> Maaz, night
[19:25] <Maaz> kbye Kilos
[19:26] <Kilos> go sleep superfly too cold to sit by pc


[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:26] <Tuxist> i have problem i have no virtual keyboard found in kubuntu 18.04
 My windows are flickering in kde. Why?
[15:35] <diogenes_> chronosmsx, probably because you've got an older amd graphics right?
 GTX 650
 And when ive just installed Latte Dock its not right-clickable
[15:40] <diogenes_> chronosmsx, try to switch the renderer from opengl to xrender
 Its good luggy
[15:41] <diogenes_> chronosmsx, ?
[18:09] <someone_> Hi, I have problem with OpenGL when I choose it as rendering backend it does not work the whole screen become black except programs windows . this problem appeared first time before 3 weeks , now I'm using xRender as rendering backend.
[22:44] <GunqqerFriithian> so I just updated from ubuntu 16.04.04 to kubuntu 18.04.01, and a bug I've had is presisting. My menubar (I have on the top) has a weird black line through the middle it
 Give me a more problems, KUbuntu


[00:28] <MTecknology> Is there any way to easily make a kernel in a PPA? only one version of the kernel, only one .config?


 Something simple that's easy to script.
[03:28] <pleia2> doctormo: sounds good - maybe host on your people.ubuntu.com page?
[03:31] <doctormo> sure
[03:31] <doctormo> Or a domain
[03:31] <doctormo> But it'd be raw and basic
[03:31] <pleia2> I have loads of hosting space if we need, I wouldn't object to a domain for the project
[03:46] <doctormo> great~!
[19:10] <pleia2> doctormo: heh, ubuntu-learning.org was just registered recently :\
[19:11] <pleia2> looks like she bought .com/.org
[19:11] <pleia2> 11 days ago
[19:11] <pleia2> but maybe we don't want that anyway :)
[19:13] <pleia2> we can be more clever
[21:05] <macfriendly> i have installed ubunutu onto my dell mini 10v - 9.10 for netbooks
[21:06] <macfriendly> how do i get rid of the desktop launcher - its a bit horrid
[21:06] <macfriendly> everything else is great
[21:07] <macfriendly> is there not a pull down menu instead or a 'dock' or task bar type thing i can use?
[21:08] <IdleOne> macfriendly: you will have better luck asking in #ubuntu
[21:08] <IdleOne> but I believe you can install ubuntu-desktop
[21:09] <macfriendly> ok thanks - i did list but thought this was more relevant place 2 be sorry
[21:09] <IdleOne> no problem :) and this is a very relevant place to be but not exactly for support related questions
[21:10] <macfriendly> the 'launcher' reminds me of macintosh performa running system 7.5 .....lol
[22:28] <doctormo> pleia2: she?
[22:30] <pleia2> doctormo: the registrant of the domain, some woman in oregon
[22:32] <pleia2> I mean, we could just go with ubuntulearningmaterials.org or something
[22:33] <pleia2> or uclpmaterials.org or ...
[22:33] <doctormo> pleia2: Or just be really cool and out of the box with a public facing name.
[22:33] <pleia2> yeah, being clever is cool too :)
[22:35] <doctormo> I vote for ubuntu-owl.com -> it knows all.
[22:36] <pleia2> I like it!
[22:36] <IdleOne> why not ask the person who owns ubuntu-learning.com if she would be willing to part with it for a good cause ?
[22:37] <pleia2> IdleOne: to be fair, we aren't the whole ubuntu-learning project, just the materials and promotions part
[22:37] <IdleOne> although I kinda like the idea of a Linux Owl
[22:37] <pleia2> it wouldn't really be fair to the moodle end of the project
[22:39] <doctormo> IdleOne: I like the idea of Linux Owl, make it less Ubuntu specific and friendly to others, but I don't like "Linux"
[22:39] <IdleOne> ok well like the penguin is named Tux
[22:39] <IdleOne> the Owl needs a learning/teaching centric name
[22:40]  * IdleOne turns on the gears
[22:40] <IdleOne> hmmm
[22:40] <IdleOne> Leanerd :)
[22:41] <IdleOne> ok maybe not
[22:41] <doctormo> hard to spell
[22:41] <doctormo> foss-owl ?
[22:41] <IdleOne> nahh
[22:41] <IdleOne> something cleaver and cute
[22:41] <IdleOne> clever?
[22:41] <IdleOne> yeah clever
[22:42] <IdleOne> sic
[22:42] <pleia2> yeah, no cleavers near the owl please
[22:42] <IdleOne> hahaha
[22:42]  * pleia2 ponders
[22:43] <pleia2> foss is my preferred abbreviation, as tempting as oss-owl is
[22:44] <doctormo> pleia2: Where's the freedom in that ;-)
[22:44] <IdleOne> pleia2: say oss-owl out loud a couple times
[22:44] <pleia2> doctormo: indeed :)
[22:44] <pleia2> IdleOne: haha
[22:44] <IdleOne> ok you got it :)
[22:44] <doctormo> Why not just call it f-owl ?
[22:44] <doctormo> Freedom Owl ;-P
[22:44] <IdleOne> F-Owl is an awesome name
[22:45] <pleia2> because that sounds like we're flipping off the owl
[22:45] <IdleOne> err yeah
[22:45] <pleia2> that said, freedomowl is available
[22:45] <pleia2> or freedom-owl
[22:45] <pleia2> typing it a lot makes me think "owl" is a very strange word
[22:45] <IdleOne> ubuntu-owl.org is a great name for the domain
[22:46] <doctormo> OK looks like we're going with ubuntu-owl.org
[22:46] <IdleOne> I was thinking more as an official mascot for the learning project, the Owl needs a name
[22:46] <pleia2> :)
[22:46] <pleia2> or .com? or both?
[22:46] <IdleOne> both
[22:46] <doctormo> pleia2: If you can afford
[22:46] <IdleOne> redirect .com to .org
[22:46] <pleia2> k, we'll use .org and I'll snap up .com too so we have it (.coms are cheap)
[22:46] <IdleOne> oh pleia2 is flipping this bill
[22:47] <IdleOne> well then yeah it is up to you pleia2
[22:48] <IdleOne> I am seeing a course for elementary aged kids and videos with the Owl giving lessons in class rooms :)
[22:48] <IdleOne> My daughter would love that and pay attention
[22:50] <IdleOne> kids click on the cute little owl and learn ubuntu/linux/whatever
[22:50]  * IdleOne needs to win the lottery
[22:50] <doctormo> IdleOne: No you don't, you need the rich in society to all become poor.
[22:51] <doctormo> :-P
[22:51] <IdleOne> doctormo: we need Canonical to start sponsoring this project with some real funds.
[22:51] <IdleOne> Ubuntu learning in schools
[22:52] <IdleOne> imagine the work you could get done if you had more time
[22:52] <IdleOne> pleia2 also :)
[22:53] <pleia2> we need to have a good project before we ask for money :)
[22:53] <doctormo> IdleOne: Plus currently thinking isn't centered around making freely accessable education.
[22:53] <IdleOne> pleia2: I understand that but the benefits of bank rolling this project outweigh the cost
[22:54] <IdleOne> it could be so much bigger
[22:55] <doctormo> IdleOne: It could, but what we have to deal with is a cultural problem, traditional educational materials people believe in making propritary, locked down materials.
[22:55] <doctormo> A product
[22:55] <doctormo> Not a value add loss leader which helps your main business.
[22:55] <doctormo> (which is certainly how Microsoft sees educational materials atm, they're hurting us through offering tons of online courses)
[22:56] <IdleOne> learning is not a business, least it shouldn't be
[22:57] <IdleOne> I don't think that Canonical should invest in this to make money but to give back more. One day the kids who learned about Ubuntu at school, could be the teachers giving the same classes to other kids
[22:57] <IdleOne> that is Ubuntu!
[22:57]  * IdleOne is an idealist
[23:01] <doctormo> IdleOne: Yes, but people are people and some are stuck in their ways.
[23:02] <pleia2> and canonical's model is to give certifications and do professional training - which there is a market for
[23:02] <pleia2> while it would be nice for them to do friendly teaching things, they barely have the resources for their pro training
[23:03] <pleia2> I guess it would be argued that mark should open his pocket more, but there are dozens of projects that could use that line (and do)
[23:11] <doctormo> pleia2: Actually it would be nice if the resources spent on making closed materials were opened up, just so that cost burden could be lifted from canonical.
[23:12] <doctormo> atm they're trying to write everythign themselves.
[23:14]  * pleia2 nods
[23:18] <IdleOne> I won't pretend to understand the whole financial aspect and I wouldn't presume to say Mark needs to open his wallet more. Just think that there is so many cool things that could be done with this project and that money would attract more people to work on it
[23:18] <pleia2> ok guys, we have ubuntu-owl.org configured
[23:18] <IdleOne> \o/