[03:59] <paulfox> i remember doing it, but forgotten now :S
[03:59] <Eighth> really? for a symlink?
[03:59] <brum> paulfox ftp user@host
[04:00] <paulfox> brum, ta very much
[04:00] <paulfox> brum, that gives me "unknown host"
[04:00] <reka> Eighth: ah.  i defer to someone else...
[04:01] <reka> sorry
[04:01] <Eighth> s'ok
[04:01] <brum> paulfox: where are you trying to ftp to?/
[04:01] <paulfox> my personal ftp
[04:01] <paulfox> website
[04:02] <shanon> paulfox: ??? ftp host ...... then enter the user name and password
[04:02] <ABPSoft> Seveas: Ok, the cloop stuff is indeed in this patch. No I'll try to port that into my kernel.
[04:02] <paulfox> shanon, can the username not be passed on the initial command line?
[04:03] <shanon> paulfox: yes it is done the way brum said. depending on your client
[04:03] <paulfox> ah right
[04:03] <paulfox> ok thanks brum, shanon
[04:03] <magog> i jus set back up my ubunutu, which codes do i need for mp3 and avi?
[04:05] <paulfox> magog, look at ubuntuguide
[04:05] <reka> magog: w32codecs for video.  if you're using totem for mp3s, you'll need gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:05] <magog> err i knew you guys were gonna tell me to look at the guide and honestly ive taken alot of pills and am pretty incoherent
[04:06] <bob2> magog: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:06] <shanon> magog: lol
[04:07] <magog> hmm ihave gstreamer installer but no mp3 support
[04:07] <magog> i know i got it working before
[04:07] <bob2> so
[04:07] <magog> jus dont remember how
[04:07] <bob2> install gstreamer0.8-mad, like the page says
[04:07] <bob2> then gstreamer-based programs will support mp3 files
[04:07] <magog> i dont see -mad
[04:08] <bob2> then, read the page
[04:09] <shanon> grrr.. how do I tell dpkg-buildpackage to use the configure options I specified instead of rerunning ./configure with its own ?
[04:09] <bob2> shanon: by editing debian/rules
[04:09] <bob2> that's how debian packages work
[04:09] <shanon> bob2: thanks I see it
[04:09] <Seveas> shanon, aptitude install maint-guide
[04:09] <Seveas> that'll give you a nice intro into packaging
[04:10] <flodine> why is there no update for gdesklets 35
[04:11] <flodine> hello is ubuntu behind
[04:11] <maruko`> hey when entering my password on the password field on GDM.. instead of the "asterisks ( or dots)" appearing.. boxes are appearing.. boxes with numbers on them
[04:11] <Seveas> flodine, hoary will only receive security updates...
[04:11] <Seveas> flodine, it's a *stable* distro
[04:12] <shanon> Seveas: Where does it install it to ?
[04:12] <flodine> what if i want to update
[04:12] <Seveas> maruko`, like
[04:12] <maruko`> yes
[04:12] <cyphase> Firefox on Jeopardy - http://blakeross.com/index.php?p=134
[04:12] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> apt-get update :}
[04:12] <Seveas> maruko`, have you changed fonts lately?
[04:12] <flodine> im stuck like chuck
[04:12] <Seveas> flodine, either install manually or wait for breezy to stabilize
[04:12] <maruko`> Seveas : nope.. just recently installed unbuntu with "server-expert"
[04:13] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i just installed ubuntu and upgraded still rock solid
[04:13] <Seveas> maruko`, hmm, odd
[04:13] <Seveas> maruko`, try dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure utf8 locales are generated
[04:13] <reka> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: to breezy?
[04:13] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> no
[04:13] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> to new for me
[04:13] <maruko`> Seveas : ok, will try that. thanks
[04:14] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> using this for my media box
[04:14] <shanon> Seveas: ?
[04:14] <Seveas> shanon, ?
[04:14] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> old 1 gig pen III
[04:14] <synd> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: nice
[04:14] <shanon> Seveas: Sorry you must of missed my question. Where does it install the guide to ? As in how can I read it
[04:14] <Seveas> ah, dpkg -L packagename
[04:15] <reka> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: then what did you mean by upgrade?
[04:15] <Seveas> so, dpkg -L maint-guide in this case
[04:15] <Seveas> that'll tell you where it is
[04:15] <shanon> thanks
[04:15] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> apt-get upgrade  <---
[04:15] <shanon> ah it is html cool
[04:15] <magog> hmmm theese codecas are source and ginving me errors installing, i remeber doing this in synaptic too
[04:15] <synd> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: i have a 1ghz P3 and a 650Mhz P3 lappy that i revived from the dead with ubuntu
[04:15] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> yea
[04:15] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> old compaq EN desktop
[04:16] <synd> nic
[04:16] <synd> e
[04:16] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> 384 sdram
[04:16] <bob2> magog: you don't need to compile anything
[04:16] <magog> bob2, i didnt think so
[04:16] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> 2940 uw card ans 18gig 10,000 rpm Hd / 68pin
[04:16] <magog> cant i jus do it in synaptic
[04:16] <magog> make life easier
[04:17] <bob2> magog: yes, the page I pointed you at explains how
[04:17] <synd> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: 10K RPM?!
[04:17] <maruko`> 10K?
[04:17] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> yea
[04:18] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> old sun  drive
[04:18] <magog> bob2, im sorry to bother you but im fkked up right now...too many pills.....can you tell me the name of the codecs i can get off synaptic?
[04:18] <synd> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: is the performance a big diff from a regular 7200 rpm?
[04:18] <Seveas> synd, ultra wide scsi disks can do that :)
[04:18] <bob2> magog: no, sorry
[04:18] <magog> lol
[04:18] <bob2> magog: (I did tell you what to install already)
[04:18] <synd> Seveas: i see. nuts
[04:18] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well had 1 laying around
[04:18] <PhantomFreak> Does anyine know how to hot-swap drive in Thinkpads?
[04:18] <magog> and that mad pachage isnt on synaptic
[04:18] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> so i put it in barely fit :}
[04:18] <bob2> magog: so, perhaps you should read the page I pointed ou at
[04:18] <magog> i remember doing it all in synaptic last time
[04:18] <magog> ok
[04:18] <bob2> and learn how to enable the universe repository
[04:18] <magog> ill try
[04:19] <magog> i remmebrr doing it quick and easy in synaptic
[04:19] <bob2> if you're on medication, perhaps you should go to bed or something
[04:19] <bob2> yes, it is very simple to do
[04:19] <reka> yeah. kids these days.  "dude, i just took some pills.  what do i feel like doin? i know, i'll try and install my codecs."
[04:19] <magog> reka, its prescribed to mefor legit reasons
[04:19] <maruko`> how can i choose what scripts to run during startup ? ( like i dont want lvm to run during startup ) something like slackware's services program
[04:20] <Seveas> maruko`, update-rc.d
[04:20] <PhantomFreak> What is the command to safely remove a DVD rom drive which is hot-swapable?
[04:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> whats uninstall in debian
[04:20] <Seveas> PhantomFreak, rmmod the modules it uses and remove it..?
[04:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> like rpm -e in rpm distros
[04:20] <maruko`> thanks again
[04:20] <WhiteRabbit> PhantomFreak, laptop? just remove it
[04:20] <nalioth> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: apt-get remove
[04:21] <Seveas> or aptitude purge
[04:21] <PhantomFreak> REmoving just hangs it!
[04:21] <ABPSoft> Seveas: *Thanks* - applied that patch, used the new cloop, works as it have should yesterday with the vanilla package
[04:21] <reka> magnon: no offence intended.  i was just pointing out that if i was off my face, tinkering with my computer isn't usually top on my list. :-)
[04:21] <Seveas> apt-get remove --purge is better than apt-get remove, it purges config files too...
[04:21] <bob2> PhantomFreak: hangs *what*?
[04:21] <reka> magog rather.
[04:21] <Seveas> ABPSoft, nice!
[04:21] <WhiteRabbit> PhantomFreak, thats a shame cause on mine I can hotswap by just doin it
[04:21] <nalioth> Seveas: it all depends on what you want the end result to be
[04:22] <Seveas> nalioth, of course
[04:22] <ABPSoft> Seveas: Any idea who did this patch? It should really be fed back to Klaus Knopper et al
[04:22] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ty nalioth
[04:22] <ABPSoft> Seveas: Or ideally, to Linus for inclusion in the vanilla kernel ;)
[04:22] <Seveas> ABPSoft, is there no author mentioned in the patch?
[04:22] <ABPSoft> Seveas: Didn't spot one
[04:23] <Seveas> ABPSoft, then ENOCLUE :)
[04:23] <reka> bob2: can i get a second opinion on a question i asked earlier?  do errors found by fsck usually indicate HDD failure?
[04:23] <ABPSoft> Seveas: But alas, I didn't read the metadata yet, just ar x'ed the .deb...
[04:24] <bob2> reka: depends.  fsck finds problems on the filesystem level, so they could also come from an unclean shutdown or from the kernel going nuts
[04:24] <nalioth> reka: depends on what the error is (and if you hear horrible clacking sounds)
[04:24] <qPid> moin
[04:24] <nalioth> bob2: is there a SMART program in linux? (for HDs?)
[04:25] <Seveas> bob2, but fsck errors followed by a reinstall followed by correct function followed by again lots of fsck errors tells me that the drive is dying
[04:25] <bob2> nalioth: yes, apt-cache search smart
[04:25] <bob2> Seveas: oh, yeah, indeed
[04:25] <bob2> reka: what Seveas says does point at hard ware problems
[04:25] <Seveas> and that's his situation :)
[04:25] <bob2> reka: which could be as simple as the cable being loos or dodgy
[04:25] <Seveas> hmm, good point
[04:25] <nalioth> bob2: thx
[04:26] <bob2> reka: but could also be a bad hard disk or motherboard or ...
[04:26] <reka> nalioth: no. no sounds.  the errors were found on the boot-up filesystem check.
[04:26] <bob2> reka: it could also be from an underpowered PSU...do you have lots of disks/add on cards?
[04:26] <reka> bob2: ah.  you're adding possibilities to my list :-)
[04:27] <reka> so far the possibilities are my HDD, the chipset, IDE drives, ram,
[04:28] <reka> hmmm, the PSU could be an interesting one.  i *did* replace t a while ago, but it had been used for ~2yrs.
[04:29] <nalioth> reka: reka as far as PSU's go, bigger (and more stable) is better
[04:29] <reka> nalioth: naive question: so generally HDD problems are accompanied by bad sounds?  i haven't heard any.
[04:29] <jason> have question about insmod in Ubuntu
[04:29] <bob2> reka: that is a good sign
[04:30] <jason> i do: insmod hello.ko
[04:30] <bob2> reka: bad noises = disk physically screwed
[04:30] <Seveas> jason, insmod is deprecated
[04:30] <nalioth> reka: my HD on my ibook here failed over a period of 3 weeks. the grinding started out as ticking and continued to the point of making the machine move
[04:30] <PhantomFreak> Now that I can remove the CD, how do I activate the floppy!
[04:30] <Seveas> you should use modprobe
[04:30] <reka> bob2: hehe.  yes i think that would be a signal. :-)
[04:30] <Seveas> PhantomFreak, modprobe the floppy modules?
[04:30] <jason> but thats what i have to use in my labs
[04:30] <jason> i cant use modprobe
[04:30] <Seveas> jason, ok :)
[04:30] <bob2> jason: so, explain to us how it doesn't work
[04:30] <jason> anyway the error is: Invalid module format
[04:30] <Seveas> jason, then do go on with the problem :)
[04:30] <reka> nalioth: well i haven't heard any weird noises so it seems like it must be something else.
[04:31] <bob2> jason: is your lab based on the 2.4 kernel?
[04:31] <Seveas> jason, build it with the correct kernel headers and compile options.
[04:31] <jason> Seveas sorry didnt mean to be mean with my reply... :-)
[04:31] <bob2> jason: and are you on an amd64 machine?
[04:31] <MaRcIo> hi
[04:31] <jason> no im using warty and kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:31] <Seveas> jason, you weren't
[04:31] <MaRcIo> i was trying to install ubuntu
[04:31] <jason> intel x86
[04:31] <bob2> jason: how did you compile the kernel?
[04:32] <MaRcIo> but the partion program doesnt work
[04:32] <jason> make xconfig
[04:32] <bob2> jason: er, the module
[04:32] <jason> then make
[04:32] <nalioth> reka: bob2 i found no SMART hd proggy via apt
[04:32] <jason> make -C /usr/src/linux-xxx SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[04:33] <jason> please dont type too fast gi
[04:33] <Seveas> nalioth, smartmontools
[04:33] <bob2> nalioth: smartmontools - control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.
[04:33] <jason> guys am trying to peruse your replies :-)
[04:33] <bob2> nalioth: apt-cache search smart hard
[04:33] <nalioth> bob2: Seveas need to refine my search skills
[04:33] <jason> has anyone got the same problem before?
[04:33] <nalioth> reka, there ya go
[04:33] <nalioth> smartmontools
[04:34] <jason> please please i have exam soon :-)
[04:34] <reka> jason: you haven't seen the channel in *peak* hour.  this is slow. :-)
[04:34] <reka> nalioth: thanks
[04:34] <jason> reka lol
[04:34] <bob2> jason: that sounds very much like it was built for a 2.4 kernel
[04:34] <shanon> jason: He is not joking
[04:34] <BockBilbo> i have a question
[04:34] <bob2> or for another architecture
[04:34] <bob2> jason: what does 'file hello.ko' print?
[04:34] <BockBilbo> i have just tried the hoary live cd in a new pc i just bought
[04:34] <BockBilbo> and the resolution of the screen is really poor
[04:35] <Seveas> jason, are you sure that linux-xxxx points to the sources of your currently running kernel?
[04:35] <jason> which one was built for the 2.4 kernel? the module im installing?
[04:35] <BockBilbo> and the config of the frecuency rate is wrong
[04:35] <jason> or the make package?
[04:35] <bob2> BockBilbo: nvidia or i810 chipset?
[04:35] <BockBilbo> bob2, no idea
[04:35] <BockBilbo> :S
[04:35] <bob2> jason: what does 'file hello.ko' print?
[04:35] <bob2> BockBilbo: then find out
[04:35] <BockBilbo> its not an nvidea
[04:35] <jason> bob just hello
[04:35] <reka> nalioth: uh, why does smartmontools need mailx? :-)
[04:35] <nalioth> reka: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
[04:35] <bob2> jason: no, paste the output here
[04:35] <nalioth> reka: i don't know
[04:36] <bob2> reka: it emails you to tell you when your disk is screwed
[04:36] <BockBilbo> its an intergrated graphic card
[04:36] <nalioth> reka: i just found its existence myself
[04:36] <bob2> reka: (it on;y Recommends mailx, tho)
[04:36] <bob2> BockBilbo: then presumably i915, known bug
[04:36] <jason> Seveas yes theres only one source installed
[04:36] <nalioth> bob2: must be thinking of server machines, cuz its woulednt work too well on itself, lol
[04:36] <bob2> BockBilbo: it's possible to get it working with a small amount of fiddling in an installed system
[04:36] <MaRcIo> help
[04:36] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> mmmmmmm  lshw :}
[04:36] <reka> bob2: ah, true.  misread the apt-cache entry.
[04:36] <bob2> nalioth: er? postfix is installed on all ubuntu machines.
[04:37] <reka> nalioth: thanks again.  i'll have a look
[04:37] <Seveas> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, try lshal too ;)
[04:37] <bob2> jason: please show us what 'file hello.ko' prints out
[04:37] <nalioth> bob2: but if your HD is screwed, you might not get the mail to yourself
[04:37] <BockBilbo> bob2, will it work fine if i install hoary?
[04:37] <MaRcIo> can anyone help me in pvt?
[04:37] <jason> it should output the ff: hello world
[04:37] <jason> the actual line in code is: len = sprintf(page, "hello world\n"
[04:37] <BockBilbo> i dont really care about it right now cause i wont use the x server... but just wondering if i ever have to use it
[04:37] <Seveas> MaRcIo, we are a help channel, so you get help in the channel :)
[04:37] <bob2> BockBilbo: yes, as I said, with a small amount of fiddling
[04:38] <bob2> BockBilbo: it will work out of the box when hoary gets a new X server soon, I think
[04:38] <Seveas> jason, ehmm
[04:38] <bob2> jason: that's not what it prints out
[04:38] <BockBilbo> i see
[04:38] <bob2> jason: please run the command
[04:38] <MaRcIo> the partition program doesn't see my partitions
[04:38] <BockBilbo> yo by upgrading the system it will work in the future
[04:38] <BockBilbo> right?
[04:38] <MaRcIo> i have mdk swap e windows
[04:38] <BockBilbo> *so
[04:38] <bob2> BockBilbo: yes
[04:38] <MaRcIo> i'd like to remove mdk to put ubuntu
[04:38] <jason> guys i cant print out the actual output because i cant even insmod it...
[04:38] <BockBilbo> great
[04:38] <BockBilbo> :)
[04:38] <bob2> BockBilbo: the only issue is with the autoconfiguration
[04:38] <bob2> jason: dude
[04:38] <jason> if you meant the error wait...
[04:38] <bob2> jason: ignore that
[04:39] <bob2> jason: run the command "file hello.ko", and show us what it prints out
[04:39] <BockBilbo> just wondering, how do i get to know the architecture of my pc?
[04:39] <theD3viL> Is any program for convert wma to mp3 ?
[04:39] <BockBilbo> i know its an i386 based one
[04:39] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> darn need pci 3d accell card :{
[04:39] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> finnsh off this old 1 gig lol
[04:39] <Seveas> BockBilbo, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:39] <BockBilbo> thanks
[04:39] <jason> i ran it and spit out: hello.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
[04:39] <bob2> BockBilbo: then it's i386
[04:40] <bob2> jason: excellent, thank you
[04:40] <jason> guys your being very helpful i appreciate :-)
[04:40] <bob2> jason: so, presumably it just wasn't compiled correctly
[04:40] <bob2> jason: can't your lecturer/tutor/teacher help you with that?
[04:41] <goff> Hey
[04:41] <jason> i think its too late too ask :-)
[04:41] <Nermal> #kernelnewbies ?
[04:41] <reka> nalioth: have you had a look at smartmontools?  can i run it in an active system? (running xchat, other proggies atm)
[04:42] <jason> it cant be not compiled correctly because i ahvent changed anything and it works in the labs... and just tryng to emulate in my pc
[04:42] <bob2> yeah, was gonna suggest that
[04:42] <Seveas> jason, have you read the lkmpg (linux kernel module programming guide) from tldp.org?
[04:42] <goff> I ripped a dvd with the dvdbackup program, but it riped it all into several .vob files. What should I do to get them into a smaller format?
[04:42] <bob2> jason: what kernel the computers in the lab run?
[04:42] <bob2> Seveas: has that been updated for 2.6?
[04:42] <jason> same <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:42] <bob2> reka: sure
[04:42] <Seveas> bob2, hmm, lemme check
[04:42] <reka> bob2: ok, thanks.
[04:42] <jason> i tried to copy as much configuration in the labas possible
[04:42] <Seveas> haven't used it since 2.4 :)
[04:43] <nalioth> reka: have you been to the sourceforge page?
[04:43] <bob2> reka: it just polls the hard disk until the hard disk says "OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING", and then it tells you
[04:43] <nalioth> reka: there appears to be a an on-demand proggy and a daemon
[04:43] <Seveas> bob2, it has been updated
[04:43] <bob2> ah, neat
[04:44] <synd> are there any podcasting clients for linux?
[04:46] <jason> #kernelnewbies is pretty quiet
[04:46] <reka> nalioth, bob2: i've skimmed the page.  working out how to invoke the scan.
[04:46] <jason> welp thanks anyways guys
[04:46] <bob2> jason: #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net
[04:46] <nalioth> reka: just add another daemon to your zoo
[04:47] <nalioth> reka: and have it flash your xserver on and off when doomsday comes. lol
[04:48] <synd-> hm
[04:49] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> is there a pkg for lm_sensors for ubuntu ?
[04:50] <bob2> yes
[04:50] <reka> nalioth: god i am a newbie.  so i'm not supposed to run a binary executable to check the disk, it'll just tell me when something's wrong?
[04:51] <nalioth> reka: the smartctl is "when you feel like it" and the smartd (with configuration) runs all the time and tells you when a parameter starts to slip
[04:51] <bob2> daemon = process that runs in the background, doing it's thing
[04:52] <bob2> e.g. apache, bind, a sound server
[04:52] <nalioth> reka: purty much any proggy ending in "d" is a daemon
[04:52] <reka> ah, thank you both for your patience.
[04:52] <nalioth> reka: ntpd, nntpd, ircd, etc
[04:52] <Nermal> apart from sed
[04:52] <Seveas> lol :)
[04:52] <Nermal> and ed
[04:52] <Seveas> jed
[04:52] <Nermal> and dd
[04:52] <Nermal> ;)
[04:53] <nalioth> reka: just run smartctl -h (for help)
[04:53] <reka> nalioth: ah, that's better. :-)
[04:54] <Seveas> invoke-rc.d / update-rc.d chmod dd lsmod mknod pwd iwgetid depmod insmod rmmod abiword parted and LOTS more :)
[04:54] <nalioth> reka: most every terminal app in *nix, when run w/o parameters gives you a helpful msg
[04:54] <Seveas> also -h or --help as parameter will be useful
[04:54] <nalioth> y'all i said "purty much" <<<thats texan for some of em
[04:55] <Xnalz> lol fell asleep last night at the desk installing ubuntu, how do I check to if my md5sums are good?
[04:55] <Xnalz> *check to see
[04:55] <Seveas> lol nalioth :)
[04:55] <jason> umm how do i add the irc.oftc.net server again?
[04:55] <Seveas> jason, /newserver irc.otfc.net (for xchat)
[04:55] <reka> "Testing has begun: Please wait 44 minutes for test to complete: Test will complete after Fri Jun 10 01:38:29 2005"
[04:56] <reka> meanwhile, things seem to have slowed down a bit :-)
[04:56] <reka> HDDresponse-wise
[04:56] <jason> thanks@
[04:56] <Do-It-Now> hi all
[04:56] <nalioth> reka: well i can't imagine why...
[04:56] <Seveas> reka, :)
[04:56] <Xnalz> can anyone tell me how to test the integraty of the md5sums?
[04:57] <Chetic> uhm.. I'm about to install the new ATi drivers, it says it needs POSIX Shared Memory support.. how do I know if I have that?
[04:57] <Seveas> md5sum -c filename.md5
[04:57] <Xnalz> sevas: where do i type that at?
[04:57] <Seveas> Chetic, you have that, but why don't you use the ati drivers from Ubuntu?
[04:57] <nalioth> i'm ruined by OSX (there it is called "md5")
[04:57] <Seveas> Xnalz, in a terminal
[04:57] <nalioth> Xnalz: in a terminal
[04:57] <reka> nalioth: it's because it's scanning the drive.  and you call yourself a guru. :-P
[04:58] <jason> is hoary any good?
[04:58] <Seveas> jason, it rocks :)
[04:58] <Xnalz> sevas& nalioth: but it won't install so no terminal
[04:58] <jason> why so?
[04:58] <Do-It-Now> hellow, someone know CST Blue Tooth Keyboard/Mouse working has synaptics driver?
[04:58] <lotusleaf> jason, it's better than god
[04:58] <Do-It-Now> for a touchpad
[04:58] <Seveas> rofl :)
[04:58] <nalioth> reka: you silly user, i was exuding sarcasm, positively exuding it
[04:58] <jason> lightning will stike you!!!
[04:58] <jason> lol
[04:58] <lotusleaf> jason, ubuntu will strike back
[04:59] <reka> nalioth: my nose must be blocked.
[04:59] <jason> rofl
[04:59] <dressed_in_black> what is the minimum spec for installing ubuntu as a server
[04:59] <Stuttergart> I'm upgrading a Debian stable box to Hoary and I'm getting an error message with apt:
[04:59] <Stuttergart> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? n
[04:59] <Stuttergart> ?
[04:59] <dressed_in_black> eg from the boot screen typing inmstall server
[04:59] <jason> windows3.1 must be your god :-)
[04:59] <Stuttergart> I can't find a way to fix the apt signing in the wiki
[05:00] <Chetic> Seveas, Because THEY DON'T WORK.
[05:00] <lotusleaf> jason, windows3.1, doesn't he hang out with the lepers?
[05:00] <Seveas> Chetic, that's a good reason :)
[05:00] <nalioth> Stuttergart: just means that your deb supplier has no gpg key on file
[05:00] <jason> lotus :-)
[05:01] <Do-It-Now> snif
[05:01] <jason> anyways nuff funny stuff.. so iwas trying to get helpfrom oftc.net kernelnewbies but seems quiet as well
[05:02] <jason> whats a good forum to ask Ubuntu kernel-related probs from? with like relatively quick response? thansk
[05:02] <reka> jason: you'll get a quick response from #debian.  might not be a pleasant one though.
[05:03] <reka> jason: (note: don't ask in #debian)
[05:03] <lotusleaf> reka, lol
[05:03] <jason> reka: yea i read the sarcasm :-)
[05:03] <lotusleaf> cue "#debian isn't #ubuntu" with or without the # any time
[05:03] <reka> jason: must have rubbed off from nalioth
[05:03] <lotusleaf> that would just be asking for a spanking
[05:03] <reka> :-)
[05:04] <bob2> that's kinda unfair
[05:04] <bob2> #debian may be sometimes rude, but it certainly has some very very smart people
[05:04] <jason> ummm the last spanking i got was quite pleasant tho
[05:04] <jason> lol
[05:04] <reka> bob2: i'd never question that.
[05:05] <lotusleaf> bob2, oh yes #debian does
[05:05] <bob2> annnyway
[05:05] <bob2> OOH-OOH-OOH-BUN-TOO
[05:05] <bob2> woah
[05:05] <bob2> jason: you're doing COMP3300?
[05:05] <maruko`> BUN as in BUNny ?
[05:06] <nayif> what will happen if i uninstall - remove - ubuntu-desktop ?
[05:06] <jason> yes how do you know? you from anu>?
[05:06] <bob2> jason: hah, yeah
[05:06] <bob2> jason: I did it last year
[05:06] <jason> really
[05:07] <bob2> nayif: nothing, except you'll have problems upgrading to breezy when it releases
[05:07] <bob2> jason: with 2.4 kernels, tho
[05:07] <jason> are you doing adv RT this next sem?
[05:07] <nayif> is ubuntu 2005-10 will be based last debian 3.1 ?
[05:07] <bob2> not sure what that is?
[05:07] <bob2> nayif: no
[05:07] <Seveas> nayif, no ubuntu version so far has been based on sarge...
[05:07] <jason> advance real time systems
[05:07] <bob2> ah
[05:08] <bob2> probably not
[05:08] <bob2> jason: who's teaching comp3300 this semester?
[05:09] <jason> Dr Eric Mcreath he's a really good teacher
[05:09] <bob2> ah, I had him, he was awesome
[05:09] <nayif> bob2, i need to uninstall -ubnuntu-desktop- to intall hpldp driver for my hp lasser printer what i shuled i do than ? if upgrude will comeing soon
[05:09] <lotusleaf> bob2, but you may reinstall it later prior to upgrading to breezy though without complications right?
[05:09] <bob2> lotusleaf: right
[05:09] <bob2> nayif: october
[05:10] <lotusleaf> bob2, cool, I thought so, thanks. :)
[05:10] <jason> bob2 could you help me with this kernel stuff i'll pay :-)
[05:10] <Stuttergart> Anyone done a Sarge -> Hoary migration and been able to get the apt signing stuff to work ?
[05:10] <bob2> jason: haha, in what, uni bar beer? ;p
[05:10] <bob2> Stuttergart: you need to sort out the key manually
[05:11] <Stuttergart> bob2: Is there a document on what needs to be done?
[05:11] <jason> uni bar beer is good tho i'm not really a bar person...
[05:11] <bob2> Stuttergart: gpg --import <whateverkeyiditomcplainsabout> ; gpg --export <whateverkeyiditomcplainsabout> | sudo apt-key add -
[05:11] <jason> beer and programming = buggy codes
[05:11] <endy_> anyone know how to stop ubuntu deleting '/usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1.0.7664' each reboot. i have custom kernel and nvidia's driver package :S
[05:11] <bob2> jason: that's what tests are for ;p
[05:11] <nayif> is there how to or something to read more about ubuntu-desktop and hpldp driver ?
[05:11] <bob2> jason: let me see check the course notes
[05:11] <bob2> jason: assuming they're not in webct
[05:11] <jason> its public
[05:12] <bob2> good
[05:12] <bob2> or I'd have to start my "webct is the spawn of the devil" rant
[05:12] <jason> lol
[05:13] <bob2> hah, go dcs, the student page is broken
[05:13] <jason> gosh those guys in debian really are freaksih arent they? :-)
[05:13] <bob2> no, you were just highly silly for starting off like that
[05:13] <jason> woot? you cant access?
[05:13] <jason> ah ok
[05:13] <bob2> that's more or less considered trolling
[05:13] <nayif> if am noob on prgramming or something like that can i do something like this http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties or google-code ?
[05:14] <bob2> hm
[05:14] <bob2> jason: where're the lecture notes and stuff?
[05:14] <jason> whats trolling? thats new to me
[05:14] <bob2> jason: it's not on cs/student/comp3300/
[05:14] <jason> go to cs/student/comp3300
[05:14] <jason> then click lab/tutorials
[05:14] <bob2> oh, duh
[05:14] <jason> sorry tutorial/lab exercises
[05:15] <bob2> which lab?
[05:15] <newz2000> Any Help? I'm getting an OOPS during install (configuring iptables) http://rafb.net/paste/results/YQ1PlQ51.html
[05:15] <jason> any i just want to be able to insmod a module
[05:15] <jason> try lab1 hello.c
[05:15] <bob2> nayif: you'd probably better off working on something a lot simpler
[05:16] <toonx> hi all! can i use ubuntu repositories with debian?
[05:16] <bob2> jason: yes, I know, but the reason you can't insmod it is because the module wasn't compiled correctly
[05:16] <bob2> afaict
[05:16] <bob2> toonx: no
[05:16] <jason> the hello module?
[05:16] <toonx> bob2: uhmm , what happends if i do?
[05:16] <Chetic> HELP - "glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[05:16] <reka> bob2, jason: out of curiosity, what uni are you talking about?
[05:16] <bob2> reka: www.anu.edu.au
[05:16] <jason> howd you know its not compiled correctly? i used the same commands:
[05:17] <bob2> toonx: then you'll get to fix it yourself, since debian and ubuntu people will tell you to go away
[05:17] <toonx> bob2: apt-get update seems not to be bodered..
[05:17] <bob2> toonx: of course
[05:17] <jason> make -C /usr/src/linux-xxx SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[05:17] <toonx> bob2: uhm , i dont get it , if its starts with deb why ther's no common support?
[05:18] <bob2> toonx: because you're making some mix that no one else has
[05:18] <bob2> toonx: if you don't understand what the problem is, you won't understand how to fix it
[05:18] <jason> bob2: are you looking at it or just CBF?
[05:18] <Chetic> How do I make applications find my libGL.so.1 file? I want to add it to some kind of PATH
[05:18] <bob2> jason: looking
[05:18] <bob2> Chetic: you put it where it should belong
[05:19] <toonx> bob2: makes sense, but what i dont get it is what there is no common support for something that has the same root
[05:19] <nayif> bob2, thanks but can you tell me more :) "a lot simpler" exp.
[05:19] <James-C> Has anyone got persistent home directories on a usb key with a Hoary Ubuntu live CD to work? re: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9893
[05:19] <Chetic> bob2, it IS where it belongs
[05:19] <bob2> Chetic: but if you're playing with the nvidia or ati binary modules, you won't be having much fun
[05:19] <jason> thanks mate
[05:19] <Chetic> bob2, please just tell me how
[05:19] <bob2> toonx: you're welcome to start providing it
[05:19] <bob2> Chetic: no
[05:19] <toonx> bob2: ;)
[05:19] <Seveas> Chetic, or add the folder where it is in to /etc/ld.so.conf
[05:19] <Chetic> Seveas, thank you
[05:19] <bob2> Chetic: just put it where it should belong
[05:19] <bob2> and you're going to break your computer doing things like this
[05:19] <Chetic> bob2, you tell me where it belongs if not /usr/lib
[05:19] <toonx> bob2: or if they are so different one from the other why does ubuntu repositories start with deb ?
[05:19] <jason> is anyone else scared about the "not raining" thing happening in ACT lately?
[05:20] <jason> its strange...
[05:20] <Seveas> Chetic, if it is in usr lib, you have another problem
[05:20] <bob2> Chetic: find / -name libGL.so
[05:20] <Seveas> because /usr/lib is already used...
[05:20] <bob2> jason: hah
[05:20] <toonx> bob2: no offense mate, im just asking some silly questions maybe
[05:20] <bob2> jason: some rain forecast for the weekend
[05:20] <bob2> toonx: you mean in /etc/apt/sources.list? because that's the format for sources.list.
[05:20] <jason> ah ok... that's great!!! cept its a weekend
[05:20] <bob2> ubuntu hasn't patched apt to change that
[05:20] <Chetic> Seveas, It's there but it's not in ld.so.conf
[05:21] <jason> but shouldnt matter anyways its exam week
[05:21] <Seveas> Chetic, /usr/lib doesn't have to be in ld.so.conf
[05:21] <BockBilbo> bob2, i have just installed ubutnu on the machine
[05:21] <Chetic> Seveas, Then why can't the applications find the file?
[05:21] <BockBilbo> and i still cant see the screen correctly
[05:21] <BockBilbo> Seveas, you told me to do cat /proc/cpuinfo
[05:21] <toonx> bob2: yes sources.list i ment, i see now .. there's now real answer
[05:22] <BockBilbo> but it doesnt say anything about the arch
[05:22] <jason> bob2: sorry mate i forgot why is it again you said the module wasnt compiled correctly? thanks
[05:22] <Seveas> BockBilbo, what do you mean with arch then..?
[05:22] <bob2> jason: because the kernel thinks it isn't a module
[05:22] <bob2> BockBilbo: yes, as I said, you will need to twiddle the X config to get it to work properly
[05:22] <bob2> toonx: the real answer is "Of course yo ucan use Debian packages on ubuntu, but you'll break if you don't know what you're doing."
[05:23] <bob2> jason: so, it works for me
[05:23] <BockBilbo> bob2, is there any tutorial about how to twidle it?
[05:23] <bob2> BockBilbo: first, find if you actually have a i915
[05:23] <toonx> bob2: thanks dude, that was what i wanted to know
[05:23] <jason> bob2 you in canberra now?
[05:23] <michael__> need help with firefox please. it crashes with the error  (Details: serial 104 error_code 8 request_code 147 minor_code 3), when visiting a page with flash content.. any indeas
[05:24] <BockBilbo> bob2, thats what im trying to do
[05:24] <BockBilbo> but not sure where to start from to know that
[05:24] <jason> you from perth? i have a friend there with same last name as you
[05:24] <bob2> BockBilbo: what does "lspci | grep VGA" print out?
[05:24] <bob2> jason: yeah, I'm at home
[05:24] <bob2> jason: no, no family in perht afaik
[05:24] <jason> you can install the module?
[05:24] <BockBilbo> hold on
[05:24] <bob2> jason: yes
[05:24] <bob2> jason: I downloaded it, compiled it, and ran "sudo insmod hello.ko"
[05:24] <jason> hmmm... am getting relly frustrated
[05:25] <bob2> hello: module license 'unspecified' taints kernel.
[05:25] <bob2> init_module: done
[05:25] <bob2> jason: maybe you built the kernel wrongly or such...it works fine with the default ubuntu kernel
[05:25] <graabein> how do i switch to a closer ubuntu repository mirror?
[05:25] <graabein> can i use uri: ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu in synaptic repositories?
[05:25] <jason> could the problem be from make xconfig?
[05:26] <BockBilbo> bob2, : lscpi | grep VGA --> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video (rev 001)
[05:26] <bob2> jason: that's the kernel config, yes
[05:26] <bob2> BockBilbo: oh, suck
[05:26] <jason> sorry i remember i used make menuconfig
[05:26] <bob2> right
[05:26] <BockBilbo> bob2, i know it sucks
[05:26] <jason> and just "yes-ed" om in all options
[05:27] <Chetic> Why can't my GL applications find the libGL.so.1 file?
[05:27] <BockBilbo> this pc is ment to be a web server
[05:27] <BockBilbo> not for personal use
[05:27] <bob2> BockBilbo: it should work out of the box, tho
[05:27] <bob2> jason: erk
[05:27] <bob2> jason: well, if you boot the default ubuntu kernel, I think it will work
[05:27] <nayif> time to go
[05:27] <jason> ok thanks bob2
[05:27] <bob2> Chetic: why don't you just use the ubuntu packages?
[05:27] <BockBilbo> bob2, so... what might happen?
[05:28] <Chetic> bob2, They use older drivers which do not support my graphics card (PCI-E X800XL)
[05:28] <chocoIate> everytime i try to run "make xconfig" in my linux directory i get the following error : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1300
[05:28] <bob2> chocoIate: you don't need to compile a kernel for isdn drivers, btw
[05:28] <bob2> chocoIate: sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev build-essential
[05:28] <chocoIate> well, i need to set some variables
[05:28] <Seveas> chocoIate, install libqt3-dev
[05:29] <chocoIate> ok thanks
[05:29] <bob2> I'd be surprised if you did have to set any variables
[05:29] <nayif> oh i have this on boot " waring : udevdb alraedy exit on the old /dev/! "
[05:29] <chocoIate> well dont be bob2, i'm just following the readme files that come accompained with the drivers
[05:29] <bob2> nayif: delete it from /dev/
[05:29] <chocoIate> this is my 3rd modem by the way :P
[05:29] <jason> where do i get a copy of that libqt3-dev?
[05:29] <bob2> chocoIate: the readme is probably wrong
[05:29] <bob2> jason: 01:28:43           bob2 | chocoIate: sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev build-essential
[05:29] <chocoIate> i currently have 4 new modems
[05:30] <bob2> jason: that command will install it
[05:30] <Seveas> jason, through apt-get
[05:30] <jason> yse but i have to get a copy of libqt3-dev first before i apt-get rght?
[05:31] <bob2> no
[05:31] <bob2> apt-get goes and gets it off the intarweb for you
[05:31] <bob2> or the cd if you have that
[05:31] <jason> cant find it in install cd of ubuntu
[05:31] <bob2> it's probably not on the warty cd
[05:31] <bob2> I wonder if anyone took the warty cds I left in DCS a few months ago
[05:31] <Seveas> probably on no cd at all
[05:32] <mcmillan_33> hi guys. does anyone know how xmms-rep works? i would like to map some xmms shortcuts into my sawfish... can't figure it out.
[05:32] <jason> apt-get libqt3-dev is the syntax?
[05:32] <bob2> 01:29:56           bob2 | jason: 01:28:43           bob2 | chocoIate: sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev build-essential
[05:32] <bob2> jason: that is the command to run
[05:32] <Daylighthater> q: How can I install ubuntu default with kde
[05:32] <Daylighthater> ??
[05:32] <Daylighthater> isntead of gnome
[05:32] <bob2> Daylighthater: get a kubuntu cd
[05:32] <mcmillan_33> download kubuntu @ daylighthater
[05:32] <Seveas> Daylighthater, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop if you already have ubuntu installed
[05:33] <Seveas> otherwise do what the others said :)
[05:33] <bob2> mcmillan_33: I've used it in the past
[05:33] <graabein> how do i switch to a closer ubuntu repository mirror?
[05:33] <graabein> can i use uri: ftp.uninett.no/linux/ubuntu in synaptic repositories?
[05:33] <bob2> mcmillan_33: I'd just shell out to xmms-shell tho, nowadays
[05:33] <Daylighthater> k.. but I'm reinstalling ubuntu on my laptop now
[05:33] <bob2> graabein: edit /etc/apt/sources.list or edit it in synaptic
[05:33] <chocoIate> bob : http://pastebot.nd.edu/1301
[05:33] <Daylighthater> so it will be the apt-get theory I will folow
[05:33] <mcmillan_33> bob2: when i was on debian there was a different programm to handle it...can't remember but maybe it was xmms-shell
[05:33] <graabein> bob2, so ftp.* is okay?
[05:34] <mcmillan_33> bob2: can i pass commands directly to xmms-shell?
[05:34] <chocoIate> i just need to verify that those settings are correct as in the readme
[05:34] <bob2> graabein: I don't know what you mean
[05:34] <bob2> graabein: it is ok to use other mirror, tho, yes
[05:34] <jason> am getting E: Invalid operation libqt3-dev.deb with that command
[05:34] <TJORVEN> how do i unrar a splitted Rar archive???
[05:34] <Daylighthater> other questiong doe anybody know a desend driver fot ati, more exactly Rage Mobility M/P on a laptop
[05:34] <Seveas> jason, you forgot the install
[05:34] <nayif> bob2, delete what ? i dont find ! on dev
[05:34] <graabein> bob2, it's listed as a mirror site so i guess i can try it... thanks
[05:34] <SirGrok> I have a question: I have Ubuntu installed on my old ThinkPad and it isn't connected to the internet. ubuntu auto-detects the resolution as low (620x480 or something), but i want to manually bump thta up... How do I do this?
[05:34] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install ....
[05:35] <bob2> chocoIate: read /boot/config-2.6.10-5
[05:35] <Seveas> SirGrok, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:35] <bob2> nayif: ls -la /dev/
[05:35] <bob2> TJORVEN: unrar the rar file and it will get the other bits as needed
[05:35] <Daylighthater> cause the ati driver delivered with the installation isn't sufficiant and the fglrx driver is to new for that graphics card :s
[05:35] <bob2> jason: no, run the exact command I said
[05:35] <bob2> mcmillan_33: yes
[05:35] <bob2> graabein: sure
[05:35] <TJORVEN> bob2, just says failed
[05:36] <bob2> TJORVEN: perhaps you need unrar-nonfree then
[05:36] <SirGrok> Seveas, thanks. I will go try that.
[05:36] <mcmillan_33> bobs2 do you know how off hand?
[05:36] <bob2> mcmillan_33: er, echo blah | xmms-shell
[05:36] <Daylighthater> I've been looking for three weeks now for a solution, but the only thing that "solved" my screen problem was vesa, and that isn't really a solution
[05:37] <nayif> bob2, oh i found .udevdb "thanks :)" is this what i shoud to delete ?
[05:37] <bob2> nayif: hrm
[05:37] <nayif> hrm ?
[05:37] <TJORVEN> bob2. what's that?
[05:37] <bob2> TJORVEN: another version of the unrar command
[05:37] <jason> sorry for the following.. i had these sample of errors from apt-get install lib***
[05:37] <jason>   libqt3-dev: Depends: xlibs-static-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not installable
[05:37] <jason>               Depends: libxext-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not installable              Depends: libxrandr-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) but it is not installable
[05:37] <jason>               Depends: x-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4) bu
[05:38] <TJORVEN> bob2, ok is there a apt-get?
[05:38] <bob2> TJORVEN: yes, it's in multiverse
[05:38] <bob2> jason: er
[05:38] <TJORVEN> bob2, thanks
[05:38] <bob2> jason: you're not using ubuntu
[05:38] <chocoIate> bob2 : is libqt3-dev avaialbe online where i can download it :o
[05:38] <jason> you mean kernel?
[05:38] <bob2> jason: your system is Debian, not Ubuntu
[05:38] <jason> im quite sure am using ubuntu
[05:39] <mcmillan_33> bob2 cheers.
[05:39] <bob2> oh
[05:39] <bob2> you're using warty
[05:39] <encKe`> anyone here have Novell Client for Linux?
[05:39] <bob2> chocoIate: you *still* have no network access?
[05:40] <chocoIate> nope, i'm trying to my current new modem
[05:40] <Raskall> is there a known problem with flashplayer in ubuntu? normal text isn't displayed in flash-things.
[05:40] <chocoIate> plus i ordered two new ones
[05:40] <jason> yes warty and kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:40] <bob2> jason: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood, not to here
[05:40] <chocoIate> the last order i made is an isdn router that way i wont have to deal with drivers :P
[05:41] <jason> sorry how do you do that when you repply to me your nick is highlighted in yellow...
[05:41] <jason> just wanna make it easier for you to see my reply
[05:41] <chocoIate> however it takes time to arrive, so in the meantime i want to try and fix what i have if i can :P
[05:41] <bob2> jason: I start lines with your nick, and your client makes it yellow
[05:41] <chocoIate> all these bullshit modems claim they work in linux and claim they have drivers but have only build packages for suse or redhat :/
[05:42] <chocoIate> and bad documentation
[05:42] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> no dsl in your area or line of sight wireless ?
[05:42] <jason> bob2: like now... do you get yellow?
[05:42] <bob2> jason: well, red, but same deal ;)
[05:42] <chocoIate> no dsl, no broadband, only ISDN dialup
[05:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well new r`thing is wireless like panaband and others
[05:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> my moms got one
[05:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> she lives middle of BFE
[05:43] <chocoIate> the latest modem i purchased was a fritz!card usb isdn and they claimed to have unsupported drivers for linux
[05:44] <jason> bob2 i just pasted it to #flood
[05:44] <bob2> jason: so
[05:44] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> chocoIate : where abouts do you live ?
[05:44] <bob2> jason: I know you pay tons of money for bandwidth, but you do need to download some stuff
[05:44] <chocoIate> i purchased and tried to compile the driver and it dont work, i just end up with tons of erros and all the documentation is in german
[05:44] <nayif> bob2, thanks a lot , now i will gone to reboot my sys to test it thanks again
[05:44] <jason> ok which one?
[05:44] <bob2> nayif: np
[05:44] <jason> bob2 ok which do i have to d/l? thanks
[05:45] <chocoIate> suburbs of italy, remote area where there is no braodband/dsl coverage :P
[05:45] <jason> man i cant thank you enough... :-)
[05:45] <bob2> jason: uncomment (remove the # character) from the "# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted" line, then add the word "universe" at the end (no quotes)
[05:45] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ahh wild they dont have wireless towers :}
[05:45] <JovenComunista> how can i change the size of the linux partition?
[05:45] <jason> am sorry which do i need to download?
[05:46] <chocoIate> bob2 : any help for me, a link to an online download of the libqt-dev package :P
[05:46] <JovenComunista> i have 4 partitions... 2 fat32,  swap  and the linux partition
[05:46] <bob2> jason: edit the file like I said
[05:46] <lleberg> I'm at some relatives, and am using their computer..
[05:46] <bob2> chocoIate: packages.ubuntu.com/libqt3-mt-dev
[05:46] <lleberg> i'm*
[05:46] <bob2> chocoIate: but it probably depends on lots of stuff
[05:46] <wm_eddie> JovenComunista, parted can do it.
[05:46] <JovenComunista> parted?
[05:46] <chocoIate> i hope not bob2
[05:46] <lleberg> it's a pentium II cpu with win 98 from IBM
[05:46] <lleberg> would ubuntu work better? ;=
[05:47] <wm_eddie> JovenComunista, Try installing gparted
[05:47] <Chetic> Why can't any application find the libGL.so.1 file?!
[05:47] <JovenComunista> ok... i'll try
[05:47] <JovenComunista> :) thanx
[05:47] <wm_eddie> lleberg, I run ubuntu Warty on a PII that came with WindowsNT
[05:47] <bob2> Chetic: presumably you're putting it in the wrong place
[05:47] <bob2> Chetic: I did tell you how to find the correct place, tho
[05:47] <lleberg> wm_eddie: Oh
[05:47] <IcemanV9> lleberg: yes. you could have brought livecd to test it! :)
[05:48] <Chetic> bob2, Then I must have missed that. I never put it anywhere, it was all done automatically.
[05:48] <jason> bob2 i just edited it... universe is already at the end however....
[05:48] <lleberg> wm_eddie: But on the other hand they probably won't let me do that anyway, paranoid suckers :(
[05:48] <bob2> jason: show me the whole line (in here)
[05:48] <chocoIate> brb
[05:48] <bob2> Chetic: then why do you think it's not finding it?
[05:48] <jason> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[05:48] <jason> bob2
[05:48] <wm_eddie> paranoid and Windows 98...
[05:48] <lleberg> And now, i got to go!
[05:48] <lleberg> Heya
[05:48] <Chetic> bob2, I have no idea whatsoever, I don't have the same experience as others
[05:48] <lleberg> wm_eddie: fabric-settings-paranoid
[05:49] <bob2> Chetic: so why do you think there is a problem?
[05:49] <bob2> jason: did you uncomment this line, too: 01:43:34          jason |  # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:49] <lleberg> IBM knows best, and so on
[05:49] <bob2> ?
[05:49] <jason> did you guys see the english hacker arrested in the states? :-)
[05:49] <deathwing> hello im glenn and new to ubuntu
[05:49] <Chetic> bob2, Because the ATi installer doesn't do it right?
[05:49] <bob2> Chetic: I don't know what that means
[05:49] <r0bby__> jason, where was this?
[05:49] <bob2> Chetic: or why you think yhat
[05:50] <deathwing> im a php programmer and migrating to ubuntu
[05:50] <r0bby__> ??
[05:50] <Chetic> bob2, I don't know why! Why won't you help me?
[05:50] <deathwing> ive used fedora and mandrake but ubuntus the best for me so far
[05:50] <r0bby__> ok...
[05:50] <jason> robby__ have a look at cnn
[05:50] <bob2> Chetic: because you're making no sense at all
[05:50] <Balthazar> Is there anyway to have some persistant data stay around when using the live cd?  either by accessing the hd, or a USB key or some such.  I want to play around with subversion, and would like to get away with not doing a full install if I can.
[05:50] <jason> he hacked at like whos who of the us agencies
[05:50] <bob2> Chetic: why do you think there is a problem at all?
[05:50] <bob2> Chetic: you had a libGL to begin with
[05:51] <jason> he's got a really huge problem now tho
[05:51] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Ubuntu does that.
[05:51] <deathwing> could anyone advise me with a good editor that runs on ubunt
[05:51] <jason> bob2 i just did
[05:51] <bob2> jason: cool
[05:51] <r0bby__> ew and he's butt ugly
[05:51] <bob2> jason: now run "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev"
[05:51] <deathwing> eddie, what does ubuntu do?
[05:51] <Chetic> bob2, Yeah, I still have libGL files, it makes no sense that they can't be found by the applications
[05:51] <bob2> Chetic: lord
[05:52] <mark2> does anybody know a FTP-tool for Ubuntu, I have already vsftpd
[05:52] <wm_eddie> deathwing, put other distros to shame
[05:52] <bob2> Chetic: so, what you really mean is "When I run a program that uses GL, I get an error from ld saying "unable to find libGL.so" or something"?
[05:52] <r0bby__> ew
[05:52] <jason> sorry i made a mistake there is no such last line you referred to,.
[05:52] <jason> but it has this
[05:52] <jason> bob2: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[05:52] <deathwing> hehehe ur right, it detected all my hardware and it was easy configuring my internet connection
[05:52] <jason> is that what you wanted to uncomment as well?
[05:52] <r0bby__> he gains access to american govt computers...but expects the us govt to sit on thair hands?
[05:52] <deathwing> eddie are u a programmer
[05:52] <toxicfume> hi all
[05:52] <Chetic> bob2, I don't know if ld is saying it but yes, I get an error like that
[05:52] <r0bby__> he must be smoking crack
[05:53] <wm_eddie> deathwing, yup
[05:53] <toxicfume> can someone here help me configure kismet on kubuntu?
[05:53] <jason> bob2 still there?
[05:53] <bob2> jason: yes
[05:53] <bob2> jason: I have no idea what you've done now
[05:53] <_kevin> I want to completley remove OpenOffice 1.13 and I want to download and install the new OpenOffice 1.9.+ Beta, How would i go about doing this?
[05:53] <jason> bob2 something tells me i should save our convo for future ref
[05:53] <deathwing> i am wondering, what is a good choice for an editor for ubuntu, because in windows i use maguma studio
[05:53] <mark2> does anybody know a FTP-tool for Ubuntu, I have already vsftpd ????????????
[05:53] <_kevin> Synaptic?
[05:53] <bob2> jason: paste the whole file to #flood again
[05:53] <bob2> mark2: please stop it
[05:53] <Seveas> mark2, as a server you mean>
[05:54] <jason> bob2 aw wait now i get you...
[05:54] <deathwing> i am using screem now but maybe there is a better editor
[05:54] <mark2> yes as a server
[05:54] <wm_eddie> mark2, ProFTPD.
[05:54] <Seveas> then vsftpd is the best, so you're set already :)
[05:54] <Seveas> wm_eddie, Priftpd is about the least secure there is...
[05:54] <wm_eddie> deathwing, I use Emacs mostly.
[05:54] <mark2> thx eddie, i will look after
[05:54] <r0bby__> what an idiot
[05:54] <Seveas> deathwing, vim :)
[05:55] <Seveas> r0bby, please keep it nice nere
[05:55] <r0bby__> hack us military computers, be charged under our legal system
[05:55] <r0bby__> plain and simple
[05:55] <deathwing> ok ill try it, and proftd sounds good cause i use gftp
[05:55] <r0bby__> no
[05:55] <r0bby__> I was referring to this: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/06/08/hacking.extradition/index.html
[05:55] <deathwing> wait ill install emacs, vim and proftd
[05:55] <Seveas> r0bby, then leave.,,
[05:55] <r0bby__> not any one person here
[05:55] <bob2> r0bby__: #politics
[05:55] <r0bby__> ah
[05:55] <r0bby__> sry
[05:55] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Why proftpd?
[05:55] <jason> i've flooded now... have a look
[05:56] <deathwing> well for ftp ill try it, just see what it does
[05:56] <bob2> jason: ok, that's fine now
[05:56] <deathwing> eddie are u a php programmer as well
[05:56] <bob2> jason: sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev
[05:56] <jason> ok ill run the commands you be here still?
[05:57] <wm_eddie> I've done php, but I mostly do Python, C#, and C.
[05:57] <Balthazar>  Is there anyway to have some persistant data stay around when using the live cd?  either by accessing the hd, or a USB key or some such.  I want to play around with subversion, and would like to get away with not doing a full install if I can.
[05:57] <rabo> buenas
[05:57] <deathwing> wow phyton, like c++ in windows
[05:57] <bob2> Balthazar: you can use subversion on windows and mac os
[05:57] <jason> bob2 am removing the sudo since im in sudo -s shell
[05:57] <bob2> Balthazar: but yes, you can store things on a usb key or whatever
[05:58] <wm_eddie> deathwing, ?
[05:58] <bob2> deathwing: python isn't anything like C++
[05:58] <deathwing> well, im more into c++ hehehe but more familiar with pphp
[05:58] <rabo> alguien me podria facilitar unos repositorios deb, para la ubuntu hoary ??
[05:58] <Seveas> jason, in a sudo -s shell you can still use sudo
[05:58] <deathwing> oh i must be mistaken, i think its perl im talking about
[05:58] <Seveas> jason, by the way: better use sudo -i instead of sudo -s
[05:58] <Balthazar> bob2, Yes, but the svn server I plan on implementing on Linux.  I just want to mess with it so I don't break a live system
[05:58] <wm_eddie> rabo, deb  http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:58] <Seveas> rabo, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol
[05:58] <bob2> deathwing: perl is even less like C++
[05:58] <IcemanV9> perl != C++
[05:58] <bob2> Balthazar: ok
[05:58] <jason> ok will do... please have a look at flood
[05:59] <deathwing> i saw perl scripting looks more like c++
[05:59] <Seveas> deathwing, ehm....
[05:59] <_kevin> I want to completley remove OpenOffice 1.13 and I want to download and install the new OpenOffice 1.9.+ Beta, How would i go about doing this? Synaptic?
[05:59] <Seveas> perl is nothing like c++
[05:59] <Xnalz> hmm got a question
[05:59] <bob2> _kevin: er, you know openoffice 2 is in hoary, right?
[05:59] <Seveas> Xnalz, just ask :)
[05:59] <bob2> jason: that is bizaare
[05:59] <_kevin> no
[05:59] <Xnalz> ok
[05:59] <_kevin> i have hoary
[06:00] <jason> bob2 please have a look at flood i got those same errors
[06:00] <Xnalz> so installing
[06:00] <jason> bob2 you think its better to just do a fresh install of hoary?
[06:00] <Xnalz> got through tage one
[06:00] <jason> what do you think?
[06:00] <Xnalz> *stage one
[06:00] <rsilva> Hello. I am trying to compile some Fortran 77 code that uses the blas library. I have the library installed (using atlas) and there is a file named /usr/lib/libblas.so.3. Howeer, g77 complains that it can't find -lblas library. What may be wrong?
[06:00] <Seveas> _kevin, aptitude install openoffice.org2
[06:00] <deathwing> well im not familiar with perl and phyton hehehe
[06:00] <bob2> jason: yes, I know, that is bizarre
[06:00] <deathwing> but ive seen perl scripting
[06:00] <jason> bob2 what's your exact Ubuntu config?
[06:00] <synd> radeon
[06:00] <Chetic> Somebody help, I've installed the new ATi drivers and everything seems to work except GL applications which give me this error: "glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[06:00] <bob2> jason: hoary
[06:00] <Xnalz> but after the reboot everything is fine then when it starts to rebuild dependency tree everything freezes
[06:00] <deathwing> beggining and ending brackets looks the same
[06:00] <bob2> Chetic: ask on the mailing list
[06:00] <bob2> Chetic: and mention everything you've done so far
[06:00] <_kevin> will it install over the 1.13, i don't want space to be used up by haveing two versions installed
[06:00] <bob2> _kevin: then install it
[06:01] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Python is pretty cool.  and Ruby is beautiful.  You should learn one.
[06:01] <jason> default hoary runs <IP_ADDRESS> kernel?
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: so remove openoffice 1 if you don't want it
[06:01] <Xnalz> it goes to the please wait.... and then eventually everything turns black
[06:01] <bob2> jason: no, 2.6.10
[06:01] <jason> bob2 default hoary runs <IP_ADDRESS> kernel?
[06:01] <_kevin> bob2 that was my question HOW?
[06:01] <jason> its all backward compatible right?
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: dude
[06:01] <deathwing> ill try phyton but it looks difficult, now im in php because of web programming
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: chill out
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: how do you normally install and remove things?
[06:01] <jason> bob2 so i should be able to do the labs in hoary?
[06:01] <deathwing> ive done some websites using php and pg sql
[06:01] <_kevin> i don't
[06:01] <Xnalz> I have tried 4 different burned cds, and 2 different downloads
[06:01] <bob2> deathwing: python is simple if you know how to program in anything
[06:01] <wm_eddie> deathwing, I use python for web programming
[06:01] <Xnalz> nothing is working
[06:01] <_kevin> i install with apt-get
[06:01] <bob2> _kevin: you've never ever removed or installed a package?
[06:01] <rsilva> deathwing: Actually Python is well known for being easy for beginers.
[06:01] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> <---  2.6.10-5
[06:02] <_kevin> fromt he ubuntu guide
[06:02] <bob2> _kevin: so, use apt-get to remove it
[06:02] <_kevin> i never uninstalled anything
[06:02] <bob2> jason: sure
[06:02] <wm_eddie> python is super easy.  Ruby not as much.
[06:02] <bob2> jason: you won't be able to transfer binaries from hoary to warty, but your source should certainly compile
[06:02] <deathwing> well but most of the opensource projects i download and use is written in php
[06:02] <_kevin> i need the name of the package to remove it
[06:02] <Chetic> ...
[06:02] <jason> bob2: did you get hoary from mirror.aarnet?
[06:02] <deathwing> for example phpbb and php chat
[06:02] <bob2> Chetic: which bit of that was confusing?
[06:02] <bob2> jason: from au.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:02] <deathwing> most of the websites use php
[06:02] <bob2> which is, amusingly, in england
[06:03] <Chetic> bob2, leave me alone, you're just being a bastard
[06:03] <deathwing> but ill take ur advise and try phyton
[06:03] <bob2> Chetic: dude
[06:03] <jason> shees this is gonna cost me a lot of money :-
[06:03] <Xnalz> guess no one knows...?
[06:03] <bob2> Chetic: please stop playing the victim
[06:03] <jason> bob2 shees this is gonna cost me a lot of money :-\
[06:03] <deathwing> it thought phyton was used to create programs in linux
[06:03] <wm_eddie> Python is good for Desktop programming.
[06:03] <bob2> Chetic: I'm suggetsing another place to ask, since it seems no one here knows
[06:03] <IcemanV9> _kevin: use synaptic if you're not sure; it's fairly easy.
[06:03] <Heart|> wm_eddie: could you paste a site from you which is written in python?
[06:03] <bob2> deathwing: it runs well on windows, too
[06:03] <deathwing> of course
[06:03] <_kevin> Thanks IcemanV9
[06:03] <deathwing> did u write it yourself
[06:03] <bob2> er, no
[06:03] <Seveas> bob2, some people cannot take advice and do not appreciate help or directions they did not expect :)
[06:04] <bob2> jason: yeah, I know
[06:04] <wm_eddie> deathwing, A lot of programs are written in python.
[06:04] <bob2> jason: what odd things have you done to apt on that machine?
[06:04] <maruko`> yey normally apt-get asks me "Do you want to continue [Y/n] ?" before it downloads and install the package
[06:04] <goldfish> yeah
[06:04] <deathwing> could paste a sample of one sight
[06:04] <bob2> jason: like, pointed it at debian.anu or something?
[06:04] <maruko`> but how do i stop it from asking me?
[06:04] <jason> i ahve no idea
[06:04] <bob2> deathwing: you want to know of one site that is written in python?
[06:04] <goldfish> maruko`: it usually does if its a big download
[06:04] <deathwing> id like to see one sight writen in phyton
[06:04] <Seveas> marcin_ant, apt-get -y
[06:04] <IcemanV9> _kevin: i used synaptic to uninstall openoffice.org, then install openoffice.org 2; it works just fine on my box
[06:04] <jason> bob2 i ahve no idea
[06:04] <wm_eddie> Heart|, http://wm-eddie.info the Main Page, About Me page, and a couple of non public ones are written in Python using Spyce and Apache mod_python
[06:04] <bob2> maruko`: give it the -y option
[06:04] <Xnalz> everytime I try to install ubuntu, after installing for 45-50min it freezes, any idea what might be wrong?
[06:04] <Seveas> maruko`, apt-get -y
[06:04] <maruko`> thanks!
[06:04] <bob2> deathwing: http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/
[06:04] <Seveas> or yes | apt-get
[06:04] <jason> bob2 its just a fresh install so not much
[06:05] <bob2> it's a huge bloody hunk of python
[06:05] <_kevin> when i goto remove openoffice 1.13 using Synaptic It has in one of the thigns to remove ubuntu-desktop, is this okay?
[06:05] <Seveas> www.ubuntulinux.org too
[06:05] <bob2> _kevin: yes, but you will have problems when you upgrade to breezy
[06:05] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: disable acpi - it's still buggy
[06:05] <wm_eddie> deathwing, If you've ever heard of Zope, it's written in python.
[06:05] <Seveas> it's plone/sope/python
[06:05] <bob2> _so make a note somewhere that you've done this
[06:05] <Seveas> zope*
[06:05] <Xnalz> iceman: how do I do that?
[06:05] <deathwing> aha like webmin
[06:05] <bob2> IcemanV9: it's not buggy in general, just on some hardware...
[06:05] <deathwing> https
[06:05] <bob2> deathwing: no, not at all like webmin
[06:06] <bob2> deathwing: webmin is the only other https site you've seen?
[06:06] <bob2> jason: you can't think of anything?
[06:06] <deathwing> oh ok
[06:06] <IcemanV9> bob2: ur right. i didn't add to it. :)
[06:06] <jason> nothing comes to mind
[06:06] <jason> bob2 nothing comes to mind
[06:06] <Heart|> wm_eddie: thx, didn't see python sites yet...
[06:06] <_kevin> i have to re-install ubuntu-desktop after i un-install openoffice 1.13
[06:06] <jason> bob2 is installing hoary as easy as installing warty?
[06:06] <wm_eddie> Heart|, The Ubuntu website is python powered.
[06:06] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: type 'boot acpi=off' at bootup .. if i could recall
[06:06] <Xnalz> icemanu9: how do I disable acpi?
[06:07] <bob2> jason: easier
[06:07] <Xnalz> iceman: ok umm do I need to be in recovery mode?
[06:07] <bob2> _kevin: no, that won't work
[06:07] <deathwing> wait, eddie has ubuntu have support for webmin, because ive installed webmin in ubuntu but i think its no fully supported yet
[06:07] <_kevin> ok bob2
[06:07] <bob2> webmin will never be fully supported by anyone
[06:07] <wm_eddie> I don't know about webmin
[06:07] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: wait a minute. did you said that you're trying to install or you already have it installed?
[06:07] <jason> bob2 great so after installing hoary what else do i need to install i.e like the kernel source etc.
[06:08] <bob2> jason: yeah
[06:08] <Xnalz> iceman: trying to install
[06:08] <deathwing> but atleast more support for webmin, because webmin is mostly used for remote server maintenance
[06:08] <bob2> jason: you really don't need to compile your own kernel
[06:08] <bob2> deathwing: serious admins really don't use webmin
[06:08] <bob2> webmin's like a stepping stone to knowing how to do things yourself
[06:08] <wm_eddie> deathwing, That's not Ubuntu's target audience...
[06:08] <jason> bob2 i mean to be able to compile kernel and install modules and stuff
[06:08] <Xnalz> iceman: I have done multiple downloads and have tried multiple burns nothing seems to work
[06:08] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: ah. ok. just do as i just said earlier. no need to go to recovery mode. :)
[06:08] <deathwing> well ok, im beggining to understand
[06:09] <bob2> jason: I do not have the kernel source installed, and I compiled the module fine :-)
[06:09] <jason> bob2 i dont need to?
[06:09] <Xnalz> iceman: is that with the cd in?
[06:09] <bob2> jason: you only need the kernel source for the "modifying the kernel" bits
[06:09] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: make sure you use md5sum to make sure it's not corrupted
[06:09] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: yes.
[06:09] <bob2> jason: for the modules (which is like 80% of the course), you can use the default kernel
[06:09] <Xnalz> iceman: not sure how to do that, use md5sum?
[06:09] <jason> bob2 yea that's what i need to do the lab1 4 and 5 requires so
[06:09] <deathwing> do you know where i can get good documentation for ubutu or linux, cause im still using my old book, fedore core one book
[06:09] <Chetic_> How do I check what driver X is currently using?
[06:10] <deathwing> that fedora is a disaster always hangs
[06:10] <wm_eddie> the Ubuntu wiki is pretty good.
[06:10] <wm_eddie> or ubuntuforums
[06:10] <bob2> jason: well, yeah, you compile it for those bits, then reboot into the normal one
[06:10] <bob2> jason: anyway, you can just use "make menuconfig" to configure the kernel
[06:10] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: you mentioned that you have done lots of download & burning. it is quite possible that the iso file is bad. best way to check it is use md5sum.
[06:10] <jason> bob2 sorry for this question but i have to because i have to decide if i need to reinstall the whole os
[06:10] <bob2> I'll go dump some hoary cds for DCS sometime
[06:10] <deathwing> ill try it, thanks
[06:10] <bartekp> Chetic_: check Xorg log or read xorg.conf
[06:10] <Chetic_> bartekp, where's the log located?
[06:10] <jason> bob2 so you havent tweaked the hoary install and the modules installed fine?
[06:11] <bob2> jason: yup
[06:11] <Xnalz> iceman: yes, but how do i check (sorry total newb to linux)
[06:11] <bob2> jason: the key is installing the "linux-headers-2.6.10-5" package, which contains just the bits of the source needed to compile modules
[06:11] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: yes, when the splash screen shows up, just type 'boot acpi=off'
[06:11] <bartekp> Chetic_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:11] <bob2> jason: where did you get a preview cd from, btw?
[06:11] <bob2> eric?
[06:12] <deathwing> so eddie do you know what ubuntu has to offer nextg
[06:12] <Xnalz> iceman: did that and it said could not find kernal image: boot
[06:12] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: type 'md5sum <filename>'
[06:12] <wm_eddie> deathwing, what do you mean?
[06:13] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: hold .. let me boot on other box
[06:13] <jason> bob2 what preview cd?
[06:13] <Xnalz> iceman: k
[06:13] <deathwing> well i mean, new software, enhancement extra stuff, new anything
[06:13] <jason> bob2 so hoary is using kernel 2.6.10
[06:13] <bob2> jason: the cd you installed from claims to be a warty preview cd
[06:13] <bob2> jason: yes
[06:13] <desrt> wm_eddie; how far along are you?
[06:13] <JovenComunista> how can i resize the linux partition?... i used gparted an qtparted but doesn't work... just for the fat and swap partition
[06:13] <jason> yes from mirror.aarnet.edu.au
[06:13] <jason> bob2 yes from mirror.aarnet.edu.au
[06:13] <bob2> ah
[06:13] <JovenComunista> :/
[06:14] <jason> bo2 bad site?
[06:14] <bob2> no
[06:14] <bob2> you just installed a beta version of the previous version of ubuntu
[06:14] <wm_eddie> Well Jb Even got something that works, and wanted someone else to make it use GConf, and have a password dialog.  I'm done with the GConf stuff.
[06:14] <goldfish> lol
[06:14] <wm_eddie> I'm working with the dialogs.
[06:14] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: sorry, my fault. bad memory :) type 'linux acpi=off'
[06:14] <desrt> oh.  so you're quite far, then.  ok :)
[06:15] <deathwing> who among you has an a4 tech usb cam
[06:15] <Xnalz> Iceman: ok
[06:15] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: it had happened on my other box many times. surprised that i didn't remember the correct syntax.
[06:15] <jason> bob2 thanks... see ya mate
[06:15] <Xnalz> iceman: it is reinstalling again, should it be doing thata?
[06:16] <jason> bob2 take it easy on the exams
[06:16] <jason> bob2 i meant goodluck :-)
[06:16] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: yes
[06:16] <deathwing> eddie do you know how i can, make my webcam run on ubuntu?
[06:16] <bob2> jason: heh, np
[06:16] <Xnalz> iceman : ok thanks *crosses fingers* hope it works lol got xp disc ready if it doesn't:)
[06:17] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: it should work .. put xp disc away, plz :P
[06:17] <wm_eddie> I don't know, but I'm sure there's more info on it (maybe some howtos) on the gnome-meeting web-site or something..
[06:17] <bob2> jason: you too
[06:17] <Xnalz> iceman : lol kk:)
[06:17] <toxicfume> i get an error saying unable to find libncurses or libcurses when trying to compile kismet, how do i fix that? anyone?
[06:18] <deathwing> i hope they incoporate sound and video in gaim
[06:18] <deathwing> and well, do use postgres sql or mysql
[06:19] <wm_eddie> deathwing, The Gaim developers have expressed many times that they will not officially support it.  Ever.
[06:19] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: a hint - use tab key to complete the nickname (tap the tab key until the correct nickname shows up)
[06:19] <Sionide> what can i use to play .m4a files? :/
[06:19] <bartekp> toxicfume: apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[06:19] <bob2> Sionide: mplayer can, as can xmms with xmms-m4a
[06:19] <bob2> thotypous: you know kismet is in ubuntu already, right?
[06:19] <Sionide> tried mplayer and it hung
[06:19] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: oh wow so much easier thank yas:)
[06:19] <Sionide> tried xmms, didn't like it either
[06:20] <toxicfume> bartekp: oka, thanks :)
[06:20] <deathwing> wow sad, how come?
[06:20] <IcemanV9> heh :)
[06:20] <thotypous> aews
[06:20] <unit3_> hi all
[06:20] <Xabbu|>  Sionide, Have you tried beep media player?
[06:20] <bob2> Sionide: you need to install xmms-m4a, of course
[06:20] <bob2> Xabbu|: it can't play m4a either
[06:21] <rayen> us.archive.ubuntu.com = slow?
[06:21] <wm_eddie> deathwing, I'm sure they have their reasons.
[06:21] <unit3_> anyone else other than my experiencing this problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40412
[06:21] <unit3_> ?
[06:21] <Xabbu|> bob2, Okey
[06:21] <ABPSoft> bye folks - and thanks for rounding up cloop so it works with dm-snapshot
[06:21] <unit3_> erm other than me even
[06:21] <Kartagis> hello. although I set up a virtual server for port 25 on my router, I can't telnet it. how come? any ideas?
[06:21] <unit3_> If anyone can help me get my system booting again, I'd really appreciate it. :(
[06:21] <deathwing> by the way eddie, asl, glenn, m, philippines
[06:22] <bob2> unit3_: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out?
[06:22] <shido> kumusta ka (sp?)
[06:22] <wm_eddie> I'm Eddie, m, Puerto Rico :)
[06:22] <unit3_> ii  libc6          2.3.5-1ubuntu4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[06:22] <bob2> so
[06:22] <deathwing> puerto rico, spanish?
[06:22] <bob2> you're using breezy
[06:22] <bob2> or "backports"
[06:22] <bob2> welcome to Pain Country
[06:23] <wm_eddie> I can kind of speak spanish.  I should speak it better though.
[06:23] <unit3_> No, I just have a couple of packages I installed from Breezy to get mplayer working.
[06:23] <bob2> there you go
[06:23] <unit3_> 99.99% of the system is hoary.
[06:23] <bob2> includeing breezy's libc6
[06:23] <bob2> that doesn't matter
[06:23] <bob2> you upgraded the most essential library on your system to the version in breezy
[06:23] <bob2> which doesn't work with hoary kernels
[06:23] <bob2> you have to downgrade things now
[06:23] <deathwing> lol, i want to learn more about ubuntu and know the in, outs, configuration etc. where should i start if im a newbie
[06:23] <bob2> (by hand)
[06:23] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey bob2 why does the new debian installer look like ubuntu installer ?
[06:24] <bob2> Pop_pa_FrEaK: er, because the ubuntu installer is the same thing?
[06:24] <unit3_> Strange that it didn't break it when I actually did that upgrade weeks ago, it only broke it once I installed the newest kernels.
[06:24] <bob2> Pop_pa_FrEaK: ubuntu took the dexisting debian installer and modified it a little
[06:24] <bob2> unit3_: yes
[06:24] <goldfish> deathwing: use it :)
[06:24] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ahhh ok
[06:24] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Just use it.
[06:24] <goldfish> wm_eddie: snap.
[06:24] <bob2> unit3_: you need to downgrade libc6 to hoary's version, by hand
[06:24] <unit3_> In any case, shouldn't there be some APT command to say "force all package versions to the hoary ones"?
[06:24] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Whenever you face something you don't know, google it.
[06:24] <bob2> no
[06:25] <bob2> it's called "don't install things from breezy"
[06:25] <goldfish> lol
[06:25] <bob2> it will break things, btw
[06:25] <bob2> so you need to remove whatever it was you installed from breezy
[06:25] <deathwing> hehehe sounds exiting, yeah i always go to for google for help lol
[06:25] <bob2> also, you don't need anything from breezy to get mplayer to work
[06:25] <bob2> deathwing: using it and hanging out here or on the mailing lists is a good way to learn lots
[06:25] <wm_eddie> deathwing, Although, we should all be working hard to make sure that nobody has to read a book to use Ubuntu.
[06:26] <bob2> deathwing: plus, then you get to learn from *other people's* mistakes, instead of having to make them yourself ;p
[06:26] <deathwing> yeah, but for a newbie a have to learn linux basics and i have been studying for a month now, if i have free time after work
[06:27] <unit3_> Oh I know what it was, not mplayer, but Firefox.
[06:27] <unit3_> I got stuff from Breezy so I could have a not-bug-ridden version of Firefox. :P
[06:27] <bob2> 1.0.2 works fine for tens of thousands of people
[06:27] <bob2> regardless, you won't be able to boot until you downgrade to hoary's libc, or get a breezy kernel
[06:27] <bob2> maybe they're usable now
[06:27] <unit3_> Sure, but it certainly has security holes.
[06:27] <unit3_> Meh, I'll just go back to the hoary stuff.
[06:28] <unit3_> And I guess I'll build Firefox from source in the mean time.
[06:28] <bob2> er, no, it doesn't have security holes
[06:28] <bob2> the fixes from 1.0.4 are in the ubuntu 1.0.2 packages
[06:28] <unit3_> Ahhhhh
[06:28] <deathwing> well im confortable with ubutu and its the best distro ive used, better than mandrake, fedora and suse
[06:28] <unit3_> That wasn't apparent to me.
[06:28] <bob2> it's how ubuntu and debian work, *shrug*
[06:28] <deathwing> fedora is the worst ive used, very unstable
[06:29] <unit3_> deathwing: no doubt!
[06:29] <unit3_> Now I'm just left to wonder why I can't tell apt to just downgrade everything to the latest versions it knows about from the given sources...
[06:29] <unit3_> That seems like something APT should do.
[06:29] <bob2> because downgrades aren't supported
[06:29] <mz2> how do i install an older version of a package with apt-get?
[06:30] <bob2> e.g., packages sometimes migrate config files when you upgrade
[06:30] <rrittenhouse> I built a kiosk out of ubuntu and I want to take it from wired and go to wireless and I wanted to make sure i get a good wifi card for this cause. Im not sure what is more compatible or what would work in a metal case better..a usb wifi nic or a pci wifi nic.. does anyone know whats very compatible with the kiosks?
[06:30] <bob2> doing that in reverse may not be possible
[06:30] <bob2> mz2: what are you trying to do?
[06:30] <unit3_> Fair enough, but if I know that that isn't going to happen, there still should be a way to do it, even if you have to force it.
[06:30] <bob2> sure, you can of course force it
[06:30] <wm_eddie> rrittenhouse, I hear  prism54 or prism2 cards are great.
[06:30] <deathwing> hehehe im looking forward to it and ill make myself more familiar with it hehehe, and thanks for the free cd they shipped out, wow 10 cds hehehe
[06:30] <we2by> is there an image editing program simplerer than gimp?
[06:31] <rrittenhouse> wm_eddie: do you know any specific makes/models?
[06:31] <bob2> you can tell apt to pin hoary above the world
[06:31] <unit3_> Yeah, but I mean "force on a global level", not "force on a package by package basis". :P
[06:31] <mz2> i've installed a too recent version of a certain package from the debian unstable (yes, i know i've been a bad boy when i did that :) and i'd like to fall back to the version from the ubuntu repository
[06:31] <unit3_> oh ok.
[06:31] <unit3_> That should work.
[06:31] <wm_eddie> rrittenhouse, No, I haven't had the financial resources to go wireless yet.
[06:31] <rrittenhouse> haha ok
[06:32] <rrittenhouse> Im doing it for the college i work for...
[06:32] <bob2> unit3_: man apt_preferences explains how
[06:32] <wm_eddie> rrittenhouse, I've also made a Kiosk.
[06:32] <dr_willis> we2by,  depends on what kind of images you are editing.. GIMP is very veyr handy however.
[06:32] <unit3_> bob2: yep, I'd just forgotten about it, since I never use it. :P
[06:32] <Sionide> bob2, xmms-m4a not in repositories?
[06:32] <wm_eddie> GConf is awesome for that.
[06:33] <unit3_> but, just so I'm clear, that probably still won't let me downgrade things, right?
[06:33] <bob2> Sionide: er, xmms-mp4
[06:33] <bob2> maybe they're not the same thing
[06:33] <bob2> unit3_: it will probably work
[06:33] <unit3_> ok, cool, I'll dig through that then.
[06:34] <unit3_> ahhh yes, man page says if the pin priority is > 1000, it'll downgrade
[06:34] <unit3_> Good.
[06:34] <rrittenhouse> wm_eddie: awesome. I just used xfwm, idesk (for the "fake" icons), and fbpanel for the fake panel..i locked down the escape sequences... its pretty solid besides a few minor details as in you can open attachments (but not download) in firefox.. i have to kill the downloading of things still
[06:34] <mz2> how do i fall back to an older version of a package? this should not be too difficult to do. i can even do that with any given rpm-based distro :)
[06:34] <rrittenhouse> wm_eddie: we limit by proxy server what can be viewed so its pretty restricted
[06:34] <bob2> mz2: how careful were you?
[06:35] <bob2> mz2: do you know what else it installed?
[06:35] <mz2> didn't install anything else.
[06:35] <bob2> ok
[06:35] <bob2> then remove the debian lines fro myour sources.list
[06:35] <bob2> then run 'sudo apt-get update'
[06:36] <bob2> then run 'apt-cache policy nameofpackage'
[06:36] <bob2> then 'sudo apt-get install nameofpackage=1.2.3', where 1.2.3 is the version you want
[06:36] <lydon> question, I've installed Ubuntu on an old IBM Netfinity 3000, 400Mhz PII, it's dual-processor ready, how hard is it to install a second processor?
[06:37] <bob2> lydon: software wise or physically?
[06:37] <lydon> software-wise...
[06:37] <bob2> trivial
[06:37] <bob2> sudo aptitude install linux-686-smp
[06:37] <bob2> reboot
[06:37] <bob2> done
[06:38] <lydon> bob2: so I do this before installing the second processor physically?
[06:38] <bob2> doesn't matter
[06:38] <biezt> any1 got an idea why ubuntu install keeps hanging at ubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <unit3_> easiest is probably to install SMP kernel, shut down, physically install new processor, start up with new kernel.
[06:38] <biezt> i can install server and then he crashes when i install ubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <lydon> bob2: sweet... I knew I would love Ubuntu
[06:39] <bob2> yup
[06:39] <bob2> (to be fair, it's just as easy in debian)
[06:39] <lydon> bob2: yeah, this is the first time my employer has let me install linux on anything, we're a netware shop
[06:40] <lydon> bob2: I'm using it as a Jabber/Jabber Web Client server... works perfectly
[06:42] <lydon> thanks for the help bob & unit... I'll try it right now
[06:42] <amonkey> when x starts up, it hangs on session manager for almost a minute. this just started recently, how can i fix it?
[06:42] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: so, how did it go? :)
[06:43] <bob2> amonkey: deleting your ~/.gnome will fix it, but it's a pretty bad "solution"
[06:43] <unit3_> hmmmm... E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/999priority:4: Extra junk at end of file
[06:43] <bob2> line 4 is screwed
[06:43] <unit3_> 999priority contains:
[06:43] <unit3_> Package: *
[06:43] <unit3_> Apina: release hoary
[06:43] <unit3_> Pin-Priority: 1001
[06:43] <unit3_> There is no line 4.
[06:43] <amonkey> bob2: what's a good solution?
[06:43] <bob2> "Apina"?
[06:43] <unit3_> erm, that didn't paste right
[06:43] <battlecat> Hi! Any suggestions on an email client that isnt as heavy as evolution and is not part of a HUGE KDE package?
[06:43] <unit3_> Apina: release hoary
[06:43] <bob2> battlecat: balsa, mutt
[06:44] <unit3_> ???
[06:44] <lotusleaf> battlecat, thunderbird, pine, mutt
[06:44] <unit3_> that's strange. I'm blaming knoppix.
[06:44] <unit3_> it really says "Pin: release hoary"
[06:44] <battlecat> Thanks guys. I dont like Thunderbird Ive had it crash way to many times on windows and it is slow as all get out on linux.
[06:45] <bob2> unit3_: release a=hoary
[06:45] <lotusleaf> battlecat, mozilla suite has an email client too
[06:45] <unit3_> battlecat: that's really strange. I've never had thunderbird crash since 1.0, and it's the fastest GUI client that does everything I need under Linux...
[06:45] <battlecat> Oh ok.
[06:45] <unit3_> ahhh ok, I'll try that bob
[06:46] <bob2> at least, that's what I would guess based on reading the manpage
[06:46] <lakin> unit3_: same here, although I don't use it under linux, I use evolution cause I use the other components.
[06:46] <unit3_> Hrm... still same error...
[06:46] <lotusleaf> battlecat, try searching sites like sourceforge.net and freshmeat.net for an email client, you'll find no shortage
[06:46] <battlecat> Well unit3_ we all have different experiences. I perfer to use epiphany over firefox due to a lower overhead
[06:46] <unit3_> lakin: yeah, I'm using Evo too now because of calendaring stuff.
[06:46] <NetGeek> I'm having trouble with apt-get update, telling me the some of the Packages.gz are corrupt, is there a apt cache file I can clear out?
[06:46] <lotusleaf> battlecat, I prefer dillo for low overhead :)
[06:47] <battlecat> dillo?
[06:47] <battlecat> Cool
[06:47] <battlecat> I will try that.
[06:47] <lotusleaf> battlecat, yup, it's a tiny web browser
[06:47] <battlecat> I just dont see giving a prog that sits in the background 25% of my resources
[06:47] <lotusleaf> battlecat, why, haven't you ever sat at a party and just ate or drank?
[06:48] <NetGeek> 99% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[06:48] <NetGeek> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[06:48] <NetGeek> Err http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security/main Packages
[06:48] <NetGeek>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:48] <battlecat> LOL no I never have
[06:48] <NetGeek> but works fine on my other Ubuntu box
[06:48] <lotusleaf> battlecat, so by that logic everyone at a party who is not doing something or contributing should be kicked out?
[06:48] <lakin> battlecat: 25% of your resources!?  wow.  you must be on a bit of older hardware?
[06:48] <battlecat> Im not the party person type. I am into bodybuilding and inline skating so I rarly have time.
[06:48] <bob2> NetGeek: are you behind a "transparent" proxy?
[06:49] <unit3_> hmmm... maybe I just have the file format wrong for something in apt.conf.d/, all the other files have a format like "APT::something::something".
[06:49] <NetGeek> bob2: nope
[06:49] <lotusleaf> battlecat, do you use kde or gnome?
[06:49] <battlecat> I am lakin. Though you know its really funny that windows XP is blazing fast on ly computer.
[06:49] <bob2> unit3_: er, it goes in /etc/apt/
[06:49] <battlecat> I like GNOME
[06:49] <lotusleaf> battlecat, why? there's that 25% or so that you're talking about being used up when you could use fluxbox or blackbox instead
[06:50] <battlecat> Well Flux and blackbox need configured I havent had the chance yet
[06:50] <lotusleaf> battlecat, so if you say you dislike firefox because of resource hogging, and you use gnome or kde, then ....
[06:50] <unit3_> And even so, it's strange that XP'd be faster than Gnome on your system. I usually find (at least with Ubuntu) that the reverse is true.
[06:50] <lotusleaf> unit3_, strange indeed
[06:51] <lakin> battlecat, that is really funny, because I'm on fairly new hardware and XP is a memory hog and is slower than just about anything.
[06:51] <battlecat> I know
[06:51] <fredrik> hello. how can i list all my harddrives including partitions and filesystems?
[06:51] <battlecat> Lakin I have seen some nice machines drag with XP
[06:51] <lakin> fredrik, df ?
[06:51] <fredrik> lakin, df?
[06:51] <lotusleaf> then agai, there's been a LOT of this type of strange talk lately in the Linux community, and comparisons between Windows & Linux and odd headlines "is Linux falling?" I think there's some insider trolling going on, paid for by the anti-christ.
[06:51] <lakin> fredrik, although, that will only be the mounted partitions.  the command is called 'df'
[06:51] <king> how are you doing
[06:52] <fredrik> lakin, but the non-mounted then?
[06:52] <lotusleaf> king, elvis has left the building
[06:52] <unit3_> ahhh yeah, there we go.
[06:52] <unit3_> lol lotusleaf
[06:52] <lotusleaf> IMO XP's only good for one thing: picking up animal poop
[06:53] <fredrik> can i list all my harddrives that is detected?
[06:53] <battlecat> LOL I love linux. I am not a Windows Fan but then agian I am not a Linux fan either. To me they are just ways to get things started. Its the software like Cinepaint and Inkscape that attract me to linux
[06:53] <lml> I am having trouble getting NFS working between a my Ubuntu boxes, anybody who think they can help?
[06:54] <unit3_> awww damn! I forgot I installed the winbind/samba from breezy because all previous versions are broken with Win2K3SP1. Damn damn damn...
[06:54] <lakin> lml, you should probably ask the specific question, then we can try to help.
[06:54] <nutorian> What is a command to determine wheather I have sound drivers or not?
[06:54] <unit3_> nutorian look and see if /dev/sound exists, check the output of dmesg, check the output of lsmod.
[06:54] <bob2> unit3_: rebuilds the breezy version on hoary then
[06:54] <unit3_> All of those are pretty good indications.
[06:55] <lml> I have followed the NFS and NFS-Server Howto in the Wiki and I keep getting the "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused" when I try to mount.
[06:55] <battlecat> brb
[06:55] <unit3_> bob2: yeah, I'm going to have to.
[06:55] <nutorian> dev/sound "no such file or directory
[06:55] <rancorus> is there anything built-in ubuntu to burn cds ?
[06:55] <bob2> rancorus: sure, the file manager does that out of the box
[06:55] <goldfish> nautilius
[06:55] <fredrik> how do i successfully mount a NTFS drive? i just wanna read from it (play mp3's)
[06:55] <Sionide> wow, alt+escape flicks though windows like alt+tab does but without the little popup box, that's nice:)
[06:55] <goldfish> gah
[06:55] <unit3_> rancorus: yes, by default both the Gnome facilities are there, and you can install K3B which does a bang-up job.
[06:56] <rancorus> bob2and unit3_:thanks a lot
[06:56] <goldfish> fredrik: www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[06:56] <Jormundgand> Nice to see the bizarre bug with the volume control was solved.
[06:57] <nutorian> unit3_: dev/sound I get "no file or directory", dmesg I get like 10 pages of stuff and lsmod I get a list
[06:58] <jind> Does anybody know of a repository with kmplayer?
[06:58] <lml> I keep getting "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused" when I try to mount a NFS share.
[06:58] <nick_m|afk> nutorian, try "lsmod |grep snd" if there's too much to make sense of
[06:58] <Rockett17> does anyone use XFCE here?
[06:58] <lml> I have followed the NFS howto on the server, but to no prevail.
[06:59] <nutorian> nick_m|afk: Nothing happens
[07:00] <Stromks> Yo
[07:00] <nick_m> nutorian, that means you don't have any modules loaded. what type of soundcard do you have?
[07:00] <lakin> lml, have you searched for the specific error using google and tried to follow any instructions you find from there?
[07:00] <nutorian> nick_m: Sb 7.1 live 24bit
[07:00] <lml> lakin: I have followed any that I could find on the Ubuntu wiki.
[07:01] <unit3_> nutorian: a lot of the SBLives being sold these days are a rebranded card based on an unsuported chipset.
[07:01] <unit3_> We ran into this recently, you may have one of those.
[07:01] <unit3_> Can you show us what lspci says about your card?
[07:01] <nutorian> unit3_: well this is a creative labs if means anything differnet
[07:02] <unit3_> nutorian: no, they have a history of buying other companies stuff and branding it "creative labs". Look at the SoundBlaster 128s, which are all Ensonique cards. ;)
[07:02] <Stromks> Im gonna install this thing soon =) But the DVD, it is like 3 gb or something
[07:02] <stjepan> hello
[07:02] <unit3_> So yeah, I can determine if that's what's happening to you if you show me what lspci says about your card.
[07:02] <Stromks> And there is an install CD
[07:02] <stjepan> I have a problem with Ubuntu
[07:02] <Stromks> Surely there would be more than 1 install CD?
[07:02] <stjepan> Live
[07:03] <stjepan> Ubuntu did not mount my two partitions
[07:03] <stjepan> :(
[07:03] <nutorian> unit3_: it has a really long list
[07:03] <unit3_> nutorian: sure, but only about 3 of those lines refer to your soundcard.
[07:04] <stjepan> Can you help me?
[07:04] <Xnalz> hey IcemanV9 are you still here?
[07:04] <Stromks> stjepan, you need to mount them yourself i think
[07:04] <lotusleaf> You've never really watched The Matrix until you've watched it in green tinted ASCII.
[07:04] <stjepan> Stromks: How?
[07:04] <Stromks> rofl
[07:04] <Xnalz> lol
[07:05] <stjepan> sorry I am beginner
[07:05] <e-head> hey guys ...
[07:05] <stjepan> mount <what>?
[07:05] <random_> how do i configure my soundcard?
[07:05] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: yes
[07:06] <stjepan> so?
[07:06] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: its freezing up at the same point still
[07:06] <Ravarin> Anyone ever try to install Ubuntu on a software raid?  Doesn't seem to like it very much.
[07:06] <Stromks> stjepan, you are mounting HDDs right? What file system?
[07:06] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: where did it stopped at?
[07:06] <stjepan> Stromks: yes
[07:06] <Xnalz> IcemanV9 right after it installed open office
[07:07] <Stromks> What file system?
[07:07] <Stromks> FAT?
[07:07] <random_> how do i configure my soundcard? It's a Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live 24-bit
[07:07] <Stromks> ext2/3?
[07:07] <e-head> ndis_wrapper module bombed on me while compiling <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:07] <stjepan> Stromks: FAT32 and NTFS
[07:07] <Stromks> Right
[07:07] <Stromks> I don't think you will be able to see NTFS
[07:07] <Stromks> Its too complicated
[07:08] <Stromks> readers exist, and some new projects claim they can write to it
[07:08] <nick_m> random_, the module should be loaded already. what's the problem?
[07:08] <goldfish> you can see ntfs
[07:08] <nick_m> random_, no sound?
[07:08] <random_> no sound
[07:08] <Stromks> I couldn't :P
[07:08] <goldfish> hmm
[07:08] <random_> i dont have a /dev/dsp folder
[07:08] <random_> or a /dev/mixer folder
[07:08] <Stromks> goldfish, how'd you manage to get it?
[07:09] <goldfish> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[07:09] <nick_m> random_, others may suggest differently, but i would open a termional and type "alsamixer"
[07:09] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: it runs like 6 more lines of code after open office is installed, can never read fast enough
[07:09] <Stromks> Doesn't work for me
[07:09] <random_> doesn't work
[07:09] <goldfish> stjepan: www.ubuntuguide.org <- go to the mounting section
[07:09] <random_> i've tried
[07:09] <Stromks> Yes
[07:09] <nick_m> s/termional/terminal
[07:09] <goldfish> works for me
[07:09] <stjepan> goldfish: tnx
[07:09] <Stromks> NTFS can't be writen to within linux, usually
[07:09] <nick_m> random_, ..and the error was..?
[07:09] <goldfish> yeah
[07:09] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: and then it goes to a black screen with just a single underscore in the top left hand corner of the screen
[07:09] <goldfish> It can be seen though.
[07:09] <goldfish> NTFS captive can write to it, but its expermintal
[07:09] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: hm. you went pretty far along. that's good, but unforunately it stopped. okay. let do this way .. you might want to install server at the boot time instead.
[07:10] <Stromks> Yeh
[07:10] <Stromks> I tried Captive
[07:10] <Stromks> it didn't work for me >_<
[07:10] <random_> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[07:10] <goldfish> I just made a fat32 partition to share with windows, and linux.
[07:10] <goldfish> handier
[07:10] <Stromks> stjepan: still there? It is slightly more complicated :P
[07:10] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: i haven't seen this error before, but hopefully someone can give a hint of why
[07:10] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: okies, btw thats where it always stops
[07:10] <Stromks> goldfish, thats what I did
[07:10] <Stromks> 60gb partition, called "Spaz0rz"
[07:10] <Stromks> Its filling up with music/anime
[07:10] <goldfish> Stromks: I think he just wants to mount his partitions.
[07:11] <goldfish> hehe
[07:11] <Stromks> Yes i know
[07:11] <goldfish> k
[07:11] <Stromks> But surely he needs to create the folder he is mounting to?
[07:11] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: type 'server' at the boot time. then, install gnome-desktop or different dm if you like
[07:11] <goldfish> Stromks: yeah
[07:11] <Stromks> >_< evil
[07:11] <goldfish> you need to state a valid mountpoint
[07:11] <Stromks> yes
[07:11] <goldfish> well, existing
[07:11] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok, is that where I check the md5sums?
[07:11] <Stromks> Stjepan: You still there?
[07:12] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: no. it is for to check if the file is okay or not.
[07:12] <Stromks> Hey I have a question
[07:12] <goldfish> ask away
[07:12] <Stromks> Theres a DVD and a CD version of it right?
[07:12] <goldfish> apparantly
[07:12] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: did you d/l iso file on winbox or other linux box?
[07:12] <Stromks> But to use the CD version, I only download 1 iso to burn
[07:13] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ermmm I meant can I check the md5sum there, at the boot screen, or do I check it somewhere else never understood that?
[07:13] <Stromks> Surely that gives me less software than the DVD version?
[07:13] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: on a winbox
[07:13] <Stromks> goldfish?
[07:13] <goldfish> Stromks: yeah
[07:13] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: if on winbox, there is a free md5sum (i don't remember the name of it)
[07:13] <bob2> Stromks: yes
[07:13] <stjepan> Stromks: yes
[07:13] <goldfish> Stromks: i think the dvd has the full packages on it
[07:13] <Stromks> lol
[07:13] <bob2> Stromks: everything is on the internet ubuntu mirrors
[07:13] <bob2> Stromks: the dvd just has more of them
[07:13] <Stromks> is it? great =D
[07:14] <goldfish> yeah what bob2 said :)
[07:14] <Stromks> I ordered my copies
[07:14] <bob2> you don't need any cds to install
[07:14] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: no. you don't md5sum at boot
[07:14] <Stromks> gonna share it around with friends =D
[07:14] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: no idea what the md5sum are or how to check  just everyone tells me that I need to check it
[07:14] <goldfish> bob2: how long have you been using linux?
[07:14] <Sionide> where are desktop wallpapers stored in gnome?
[07:14] <Stromks> Xnalz, MD5 sums are a way of checking the intergrety of something
[07:14] <bob2> goldfish: hm, like 4 years?
[07:14] <goldfish> bob2: wow, cool, you know alot :)
[07:15] <bob2> heh
[07:15] <Xnalz> Sionide: but how do I check to see if it is ok?
[07:15] <Stromks> I just have fedora on this box in the way of linux :P
[07:15] <Stromks> Xnalz: Theres applications which can do it. Do you already have linux?
[07:15] <e-head> a few modules are "bombing out" for me when trying to compile <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:16] <e-head> is this unusual ? i would think so ?
[07:16] <Xnalz> Stromks: no, trying to install ubuntu but it is proving to be rather difficult
[07:16] <Choubaka> I wonder for how long I have been using Linux. Probably 2 years. I see lots of newbies trying out the new distros... Ever more and more people :)
[07:16] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: here's an example > f6b3f164c99761234858a4d2c12d0840  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[07:16] <Stromks> Xnalz: Checking the MD5 Sums isn't essential
[07:16] <Allergique> hello, does someone known how to make /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build directory?
[07:16] <bob2> e-head: whyy're you compiling it?
[07:16] <unit3_> Choubaka: hahaha, I probably said that exact same thing about 8 years ago on a RedHat IRC channel. ;)
[07:16] <Choubaka> I never really used Redhat.
[07:17] <bob2> Allergique: install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[07:17] <unit3_> in any case, I'm off to see if all this downgrading business has sourted out my system. ;)
[07:17] <Stromks> Fedora is pretty nicre
[07:17] <unit3_> Choubaka: I only used it right at the start, before I learned better. ;)
[07:17] <Choubaka> I experienced RPM dependency hell.
[07:17] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: so you know the file is okay .. anyhow, type 'server' at the boot, then 'sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop'
[07:17] <Stromks> but i downloadsed the live cd of Ubuntu and it seemed good too =D
[07:17] <Choubaka> Then I went for Debian.
[07:17] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: I think I saw something similar to that in a a text file on the iso, what do I compare it to?
[07:17] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: on the download page of Ubuntu :)
[07:17] <Stromks> On the website, it will give you the MD5 sums
[07:18] <Benjamin_L> do notebooks use the same RAM as desktops do ?
[07:18] <Stromks> lol
[07:18] <Allergique> bob2:thank you
[07:18] <Stromks> well, it depends on the desktop, but generally, no :P
[07:18] <Sionide> i'm sure there's a howto install ubuntu right off the net with no cd burning or anything required
[07:18] <Benjamin_L> hopefully ubuntu will work on it
[07:19] <bob2> sure
[07:19] <Stromks> lmao Sionide
[07:19] <bob2> if your hardware can pxeboot
[07:19] <Stromks> Just order the CDs
[07:19] <Stromks> I got about 50
[07:19] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: is that the torrent files? only thing I see that resemlbes the numbers on the download page
[07:19] <Stromks> To share around
[07:19] <Choubaka> I haven't gotten any CDs yet :((
[07:19] <Stromks> The torrents are slower than the direct downloads :P
[07:19] <Sionide> well you better make sure you do share them all round then...
[07:19] <Stromks> Choubaka: how long have you waited?
[07:19] <Choubaka> Long.
[07:19] <Stromks> as in?
[07:19] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: just .iso file
[07:20] <Choubaka> months.
[07:20] <Stromks> shit >_<
[07:20] <Stromks> they may have just fucked up the ordering queue
[07:20] <Choubaka> Well, I think I ordered then when hoary was released.
[07:20] <Stromks> thats the newest?
[07:20] <Choubaka> yes.
[07:20] <Stromks> k
[07:20] <Choubaka> I wonder if they ship to Finland :P
[07:20] <bob2> Choubaka: did you order before or after?
[07:21] <Choubaka> Hmm.  It's still not booting.
[07:23] <unit3> *sigh*
[07:23] <Stromks> lol
[07:23] <e-head> right now i'm just commenting out each module in the .config file as it bombs out ...
[07:23] <Stromks> *waits for satasfied user*
[07:23] <e-head> nothing i really need so far, fingers crossed ... :)
[07:23] <bob2> e-head: patches for what?
[07:23] <Xnalz> Stromks: on the second stage after open office installs, goes to a black screena nd nothing happens
[07:23] <unit3> I have a feeling that this is because my root fs is xfs.
[07:24] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: found the site for winbox > http://winmd5sum.solidblue.ca/
[07:24] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ty
[07:24] <e-head> ppdd ... it's a kernel level encryption package.
[07:24] <Stromks> Great =D
[07:24] <e-head> allows you to encrypt your entire / filesystem.
[07:24] <unit3> I have no idea why they felt the need to build xfs and reiserfs as separate modules in the latest security fix kernel. :(
[07:24] <e-head> it needs to be compiled straight into the kernel really ...
[07:24] <e-head> no module.
[07:25] <e-head> as otherwise the kernel won't be able to decrypt the / to begin with ...
[07:25] <unit3> e-head: if you compile as a module, and that module is on the initrd, wouldn't that work?
[07:26] <unit3> Assuming the initrd knows to load the module?
[07:26] <e-head> unit3: yeah, it should.
[07:26] <unit3> which makes me wonder... why isn't the latest official initrd loading my stupid XFS module. :P :P :P
[07:26] <bob2> e-head: why not just use dm-crypt?
[07:26] <bob2> it's replaced basically everything else
[07:26] <bob2> unit3: you might need to rebuild the initrd or something
[07:26] <unit3> bob2: is there any easy way to do that?
[07:27] <bob2> Im sure google can find the solution in the list archives
[07:27] <unit3> heheh
[07:27] <e-head> hmm ... hadn't heard of it ..
[07:27] <e-head> ppdd has some "convenience" tools which are nice though ...
[07:27] <e-head> you can change your passwords, etc ...
[07:27] <e-head> the old cryptoloop was pretty "grungy".
[07:28] <e-head> you can encrypt a filesystem w/o losing the data ...
[07:28] <e-head> stuff like that ...
[07:28] <bob2> dm-crypt is what all the cool kids use
[07:28] <Stromks> e-head, its pretty stupid though :P
[07:28] <bob2> the fact I've never heard of ppdd makes me thing it's very new or broken, tho
[07:28] <lonewolff> hey, does anyone know if there is a way to get tv out on ati m6 or m7 grpahics cards working in ubuntu? google was not much help :s
[07:28] <e-head> Stromks: what's stupid ? dm-crypt ...
[07:28] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: i'm checking out forums right now ...
[07:29] <unit3> lonewolff: you've tried ATI's binary driver that's in the restricted-modules package?
[07:29] <Stromks> e-head: Seems a little pointless. Means everything has to be decoded/encoded when accessed
[07:29] <lonewolff> unit3: the flgrx one?
[07:29] <Stromks> I don't see the point
[07:29] <unit3> lonewolff: yeah.
[07:29] <random_> how do i configure a soundcard? i have a Creative Soundblaster Live 24-bit. i have no sound and cannot access alsamixer
[07:29] <e-head> Stromks: the point is so nobody can get there hands on your data ...
[07:29] <bob2> the ppdd page doesn't seem to hav ebeen updated since 2002
[07:29] <unit3> random_: we just had someone else in here with that problem about 30 mins ago.
[07:29] <random_> it was me
[07:29] <e-head> Stromks: i mean ... it's not for everyone ...
[07:30] <random_> and nobody offered to fix it
[07:30] <Stromks> Yeh
[07:30] <lonewolff> unit3: when i go thru the howto and reboot X doesnt start, it says no screens found
[07:30] <unit3> random_: no, I mean someone*other* than you. ;)
[07:30] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok trying installing  just the base
[07:30] <random_> oh
[07:30] <random_> lol
[07:30] <Stromks> e-head: You might as well just set up a firewall :P
[07:30] <e-head> i rum a remailer and a TOR server, and am a privacy advocate ...
[07:30] <unit3> lonewolff: then you need to go through the X logs and figure out why it's broken.
[07:30] <e-head> Stromks:  different scenario ...
[07:30] <random_> well...ok.. so how does that help me? :P
[07:30] <unit3> random_: in any case, that card isn't based on the same emu10k chipset that other live cards are.
[07:30] <e-head> as a privacy advocate/remailer operator ...
[07:30] <unit3> random_: so the ALSA driver is brand new and isn't in Ubuntu yet.
[07:30] <lonewolff> unit3: works with exactly the same config but not using fglrx, there is nothing wrong with my config
[07:30] <e-head> the day may come when the Feds break down my door ...
[07:31] <Stromks> lol
[07:31] <e-head> they will then confiscate my computer, and try and access the data on it ...
[07:31] <Stromks> why would they do that then :P
[07:31] <random_> which means i need to do what
[07:31] <Stromks> all the pr0n
[07:31] <e-head> this way ... they will just be scratching there heads ...
[07:31] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: that would be the best to get it installed, then move on to install gnome-desktop.
[07:31] <unit3> random_: the Alsa soundcard matrix has info about compiling it from source, at the moment that's your best bet, unless you can track down a Debian source package for the latest modules.
[07:31] <e-head> Stromks: well, if you run any kind of privacy services ... there is always that scenario ...
[07:31] <Stromks> heh i suppose so
[07:32] <e-head> happened to the most famous remailer of all ... a guy in finland.
[07:32] <unit3> lonewolff: no, I've found that usually the fglrx module needs its own config, as well as the appropriate kernel modules loaded. Your best off making sure that the fglrx module is loaded, and then using the fglrxconfig util to make a new xorg.conf
[07:32] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok that worked, i think
[07:32] <e-head> Stromks: not to mention ... what if you are in a big warez group ?
[07:32] <Stromks> e-head: i'm not :P
[07:32] <Stromks> and if i was
[07:33] <e-head> when the RIAA/FBI bust your door down ... you don't want em finding all those mp3's and cracks do ya ?
[07:33] <Stromks> no
[07:33] <e-head> Stromks: well yeah, that's why i said it's not for everyone.  :)
[07:33] <Stromks> I'd just get my gun ;)
[07:33] <lonewolff> unit3: oh, thankyou for that, ill try that later :D
[07:33] <bob2> people actually have "cracks"?
[07:33] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: how do I go about installing the gnome desktop?
[07:33] <Stromks> yes
[07:33] <e-head> bob2: well, in the windows world.
[07:33] <Stromks> look at the bottom of their backs
[07:33] <e-head> they are always breaking up warez groups.
[07:34] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[07:34] <e-head> or ... what if your a world renowned spammer ?
[07:34] <bob2> e-head: it sounds vulnerable to normal ECB attacks
[07:34] <Stromks> e-head: what warex group?
[07:34] <e-head> or what if you like to write viruses for windows boxes ?
[07:34] <e-head> or your a hacker ?
[07:34] <bob2> and the fact it's .zip isn't very encouraging
[07:34] <unit3> lonewolff: no prob man, I've been dealing with ATI driver issues for a couple of years now on multiple distros, so I've been through a lot of the headaches before. ;P
[07:35] <e-head> ppdd has been pretty tested pretty well in the cyrpto community ...
[07:35] <Stromks> ppdd?
[07:35] <bob2> e-head: where?
[07:35] <e-head> but your right about that .zip, sort of is offputting, isn't it ?
[07:35] <bob2> e-head: why hasn't it been updated since 2.4?
[07:35] <random_> unit3: where would i find/makeuse of this info about compiling from the source?
[07:35] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: got Couldn't stat source package list http....-stat(2 no such file or directory)
[07:35] <e-head> guys lazy i think ...
[07:35] <e-head> there is a patch for 2.6 kernels though
[07:36] <e-head> if you google around on the crypto group newsgroups, you will see lots of support for ppdd.
[07:36] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: sudo apt-get update
[07:36] <Stromks> I want my CDs >_<
[07:36] <Stromks> suck
[07:36] <e-head> bob2: i've used it for about a year and a half on a debian box ...
[07:36] <bob2> sure
[07:36] <e-head> so it seems fairly stable.
[07:37] <Stromks> \nick test
[07:37] <bob2> it just doesn't seem ver well maintained
[07:37] <bob2> or peer-reviewed
[07:37] <Stromks> woot?
[07:37] <bob2> and it doesn't use the crypto-api
[07:37] <bob2> or the dm layer
[07:37] <bob2> etc
[07:37] <bob2> but meh
[07:37] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok  reading packaged lists....Done
[07:37] <e-head> bob2: actually, i think it has been peer reviewed.  google on the crypt newsgroups ...
[07:38] <Stromks> e-head, how long you been linuxing?
[07:38] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: terrific. now do 'sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop'
[07:38] <Dethread> not work safe: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1118337956
[07:38] <Berserker_> can anybody help me ? when  ubuntu installer is trying to install grub, i see "the grub package failed to install into /target"
[07:39] <Berserker_> with lilo - the same
[07:39] <Berserker_> my HDD is primary master
[07:39] <e-head> Stromks: hmmm ... for about 5 or 6 years ?
[07:39] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: "E: Couldn't find package gnome-desktop"
[07:40] <e-head> Stromks: 5 years. since 2000 ... grad school.
[07:40] <IcemanV9> hey, guys? is it the package gnome-desktop correct?
[07:41] <reka> ubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <BockBilbo> :(
[07:41] <BockBilbo> the xserver wont work anymore
[07:41] <IcemanV9> thank you, reka
[07:41] <reka> i haven't followed the thread, but that's what you need if you want to install gnome iirc
[07:41] <BockBilbo> it was working before today.. but with some crappy resolution and bad frec rate... and now it just doesnt want to work
[07:41] <BockBilbo> :S
[07:42] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: correction: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:42] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: ok that is working its installing something now
[07:42] <Berserker_> so, what about my question ? :)
[07:42] <IcemanV9> Xnalz: soon, you'll have the GREAT ubuntu installed! *whew*
[07:42] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: hehe thank ya for all the help
[07:43] <e-head> yeah ... it finished ...
[07:43] <e-head> just 2 "bombs" ... on unnecessary drivers ...
[07:44] <Xnalz> IcemanV9: lol
[07:44] <yourghetek> i have an amd64 system on ubuntu server. im trying to get festival to work and i cant get my audio recognized by alsa
[07:45] <yourghetek> i have the 755 chipset
[07:45] <Cerb[AWAY] > pffff mysql is not appearing when i look at phpinfo()
[07:45] <Cerb[AWAY] > what am i doing wrong
[07:45] <yourghetek> oops i mean the 964 chipset
[07:46] <lakin> Cerb[AWAY] : look at /etc/php/apache/php.ini for the line which contains mysql.so and make sure it's not commented out?
[07:47] <lakin> And that's after you've made sure that you've installed the appropriate packages to get php-mysql.
And then, uninstall php and install a *real* web development environment ;)</flame>
[07:49] <misterniark> bonsoir
[07:49] <Berserker_> can anybody help me ? when  ubuntu installer is trying to install grub, i see "the grub package failed to install into /target". with lilo - the same. my HDD is primary master, CD is primary slave, I choose "use entire disk space"..
[07:49] <Kejk_PL> Hi I have problem with grub (probably)
[07:49] <Xabbu|> Is there any good cryptation software, for cyphering a whole harddrive?
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> I have updated latest kernel fron Hoary
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> and this Kernel Panic
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> VFS: Cannot open root device "hdb1" or unknown-block(0,0)
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> Please append a correct "root=" boot option
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> Kernel Panic: not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[07:50] <reka> yourghetek: i'm not experienced with ubuntu server, are you running gnome?
[07:50] <justin> Xabbu|: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+encrypt+hard+drive
[07:50] <bob2> Kejk_PL: don't use breezy
[07:50] <bob2> Kejk_PL: or backports
[07:50] <Kejk_PL> bob2: only security updates
[07:51] <bob2> Kejk_PL: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1
[07:51] <bob2> paste that here
[07:51] <justin> bob2: thats the second person i've seen complain that an upgrade broke like that
[07:51] <bob2> bet you a beer it's 2.3.5
[07:51] <yourghetek> reka, ubuntu server has no wm
[07:51] <bob2> justin: breezy's libc6 (which the backports people thoughtfully backported to their test area) doesn't work with hoary's security kernels
[07:51] <yourghetek> dont even have x
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-k7 (recovery mode)
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> root		(hd1,0)
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-k7 root=/dev/hdb1 ro
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-k7
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> savedefault
[07:51] <Kejk_PL> boot
[07:52] <Berserker_> why are you ignore me ? or you really cant see my messages ?
[07:52] <bob2> Kejk_PL: dude
[07:52] <bob2> Kejk_PL: 03:51:07           bob2 | Kejk_PL: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1
[07:52] <Cerb[AWAY] > lakin it was commented out
[07:52] <Cerb[AWAY] > thx man ;)
[07:52] <Kejk_PL> w8
[07:52] <justin> bob2: ah, why doesn't it work?
[07:52] <bob2> Berserker_: try asking on the user list
[07:52] <bob2> justin: I forget...I think it breaks mkinitrd somehow
[07:52] <Kejk_PL> need to set up chroot, sec
[07:52] <bob2> er
[07:52] <justin> bob2: ah, that was what I was thinking.. how else could it not even get up to starting init
[07:52] <delire> anyone know whether breezy will have different default icons? i'm sitting with a new linux users here who chose KDE over Gnome (in ubuntu) on the basis that the "icons look really old"). she said "the desktop icons looks like they are from 1994"! yes i pointed her to art.gnome.org but to no avail ;)
[07:53] <Kejk_PL> root@Knoppix:/ # dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1
[07:53] <Kejk_PL> ii  libc6          2.3.5-1ubuntu3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[07:53] <bob2> and we have a winner
[07:53] <NixerX> delire, of all the things to concern over ....
[07:53] <bob2> Kejk_PL: so, you're using backports or breezy
[07:53] <reka> yourghetek: ah.  like i said, my knowledge is pretty limited.  i was going to recommend you try the sound fix on ubuntuguide.org .  i don't know how useful that would be though. (read: probably not useful at all)
[07:53] <delire> NixerX: hehe i know.. albeit it's what new users often care about..
[07:53] <bob2> or someone rooted your machine, installed it, left and didn't tell you
[07:53] <Kejk_PL> bob2, it's from Debian SArge
[07:54] <bob2> ha ha ha
[07:54] <Kejk_PL> but it was working
[07:54] <NixerX> How closely dose Ubuntu follow the debian build standards?
[07:54] <bob2> NixerX: the package standards?  very closely
[07:54] <reka> Berserker_: it's likely no one has an answer ATM.
[07:54] <Kejk_PL> bob2, problem is not with libc6 - its sure
[07:54] <delire> NixerX: very closely yes.. or do you mean building packages, as with dpkg.
[07:54] <reka> be patient.
[07:54] <NixerX> delire , Ususally people that take issue with that aspect are graphics Designers.
[07:54] <bob2> Kejk_PL: no, it is, sorry
[07:55] <delire> NixerX: she is an accountant ;)
[07:55] <Kejk_PL> bob2, how it is possible?
[07:55] <bob2> Kejk_PL: I don't know, it's you who did it :)
[07:55] <Kejk_PL> bob2, it was working yester, I've done "something" (probably kernel update from security update) end.. bum
[07:55] <NixerX> delire...hmmm its still way cool that she';s using Lunux....lest its under diress.
[07:55] <bob2> Kejk_PL: yes
[07:56] <bob2> Kejk_PL: the problem is that you installed libc6 from breezy or the backports repodsitory
[07:56] <bob2> which doesn't work with the new kernel
[07:56] <Kejk_PL> oh!
[07:56] <delire> NixerX: she took to kubuntu-desktop, just bawked at gnome. hell i don't even use icons so a bit out of the loop.
[07:56] <Kejk_PL> so I need install old kernel - that is the solution
[07:56] <Efwis> berserker, is that on a partitioned disk, or dual disk system?
[07:56] <Mirkus>  ciao qualcuno esperto?
[07:56] <NixerX> bob2 delire , I have some packages I want to build. I would like them to useable for others.
[07:57] <delire> NixerX: man dpkg-deb
[07:57] <Cerb[AWAY] > how do u shut down Gnome and X so you basicly only got a command line?
[07:57] <delire> NixerX: dpkg -b may be a good start
[07:57] <bob2> NixerX: following the debian poicy is a good start
[07:57] <delire> bob2: that too
[07:57] <dman> hi.. got a question regarding this weeks update
[07:57] <lsuactiafner> Cerb[AWAY]  : sh /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> Cerb[AWAY]  : then control alt backspace to kill X
[07:58] <dman> running sudo apt-get update gets me:
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> should work
[07:58] <henryb> Cerb[AWAY] , you know you can Ctrl+Alt+F[1-6]  to get a console and leave it right?
[07:58] <Cerb[AWAY] > henryb it's for my webserver
[07:58] <delire> Cerb[AWAY] : or do you mean, from a command line prompt..?
[07:58] <dman> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[07:58] <NixerX> delire personally im up in the air on the *buntu's tho I like Ubuntu best....I think.
[07:58] <henryb> Cerb[AWAY] , gotcha
[07:58] <DanielHolth> hello ubuntu users
[07:58] <Cerb[AWAY] > i don't need X and Gnome
[07:58] <delire> Cerb[AWAY] : ahah ok.
[07:58] <Kejk_PL> bob2, maybe you know, when breeze will be usable, to install some necesary lilaries, like libc6 (I need it for some non-from-debian packages, like polish communicator Kadu)
[07:58] <DanielHolth> the power of mad philanthropism!
[07:58] <dman> whats up??
[07:58] <NixerX> bob2 so if I follw the debia docs Ill be kosher with Ubuntu.
[07:58] <delire> NixerX: i'm a fan, but have many criticisms
[07:58] <Cerb[AWAY] > thx guys that did it ;)
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> Cerb[AWAY]  : tell me if my commands worked.
[07:58] <Kejk_PL> bob2, don't "whet it be ready" :)
[07:58] <lsuactiafner> cool
[07:58] <Howitzer>  A little noob question here
[07:59] <lsuactiafner> took me ages to figure that out
[07:59] <Cerb[AWAY] > :))
[07:59] <Efwis> dman, is your source.list set up so that it can access the repo, or is it commented out??
[07:59] <lsuactiafner> chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm might work for you also Cerb[AWAY]
[07:59] <NixerX> delire Critisizm is a good thing,,,if stated and met with positvity.
[07:59] <Cerb[AWAY] > killall gdm works to :)
[07:59] <lsuactiafner> it should disable auto X startup
[07:59] <lakin> lsuactiafner: aack!  that's not a good way to do it!?
[07:59] <delire> NixerX: it seems that's what the ubuntu bounties are for.. http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBounties
[07:59] <Howitzer> i want to copy a file into /usr/share/games/doom, however, it complains that i don't have root access, can i do this with sudo ....., if yes, what exact command? :/
[08:00] <lsuactiafner> lakin : but it works for me(tm)
[08:00] <DanielHolth> my least favorite thing about ubuntu is the /etc/init.d process wherein, say, eth0 tries to start
[08:00] <DanielHolth> for sixty seconds
[08:00] <lakin> Cerb[AWAY] : if you don't want gdm to start on boot, then uninstall it, and/or remove it from /etc/rcX/
[08:00] <DanielHolth> then things that depend on it try to start
[08:00] <delire> Howitzer: sudo cp file /usr/share/games/doom/
[08:00] <lsuactiafner> thats actually how i run ubuntu, most of the init.d aint +x
[08:00] <lakin> leave the file in /etc/init.d/ alone.
[08:00] <unit3> Alright, my initrds definately aren't building properly.
[08:00] <bob2> NixerX: yes
[08:00] <DanielHolth> even though I'm on a wireless network or no network.
[08:00] <NixerX> Howitzer sudo cp /yadda/yadda/ /path/
[08:00] <dman> Efwis: my src list has never changed.. 1st time i have a problem.
[08:00] <delire> Howitzer: cp == copy..
[08:00] <Howitzer> okay
[08:00] <deFrysk> mv is move
[08:00] <deFrysk> or rename
[08:00] <yourghetek> reka, i wasnt asking anyone in particular. i was asking the room
[08:00] <DanielHolth> if I could fix that then maybe I would switch away from another distribution we like to call 'gentoo'
[08:00] <Cerb[AWAY] > no i just need it to shut down temporarily
[08:00] <unit3> I'm getting the following when run on the commandline or when (re)installing a kernel package:
[08:00] <lsuactiafner> lakin : yeh a noob shouldnt go there.. but bootup is much faster ifyou disable those scripts
[08:00] <NixerX> bob2 thanks.
[08:01] <lakin> Cerb[AWAY] : I typically use rcconf to enable/disable stuff for boot.
[08:01] <delire> Howitzer: cp -r gives 'recursive copy', which is useful when copying whole directories.
[08:01] <Efwis> hmmm, ok
[08:01] <unit3> cpio:   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x45590000): No such file or directory
[08:01] <unit3> cpio: (0xffffe000): No such file or directory
[08:01] <mjr> hmh, anyone having usb2 initialization problems under ubuntu/amd64?
[08:01] <unit3>  /lib/ld-linux.so.2 of course, *does* exist.
[08:01] <Howitzer> Oo
[08:01] <lakin> lsuactiafner: what I mean, is that you shouldn't be disabling boot stuff that way.
[08:01] <Howitzer> i can't see what i type :/
[08:01] <Howitzer> oh
[08:01] <lotusleaf> Anyone else notice people on freenode from (what appears) to be microsoft.com?
[08:01] <lsuactiafner> DanielHolth : look @ /etc/init.d/networking
[08:01] <unit3> But I'm booted into knoppix, and chrooted into my Ubuntu install... could mkinitrd be busting out of the chroot and then screweing up?
[08:01] <Howitzer> nvm
[08:01] <lakin> There are pleny of other cleaner ways to do it.
[08:01] <dr_willis> mjr,  when i was useing the 64 bit version - i dident :P   - but i switched back to 32bit
[08:01] <deFrysk> Howitzer, I see what you mean
[08:01] <lsuactiafner> then how should i disable boot stuff?
[08:02] <delire> deFrysk: hehe
[08:02] <Howitzer> deFrysk, how do you mean? :/
[08:02] <reka> yourghetek: eh, what did i do?  i just suggested an admittedly lame solution.  i was telling the other guy to be patient .
[08:02] <deFrysk> Howitzer, i could see waht you did not see
[08:02] <Seveas> jdub, ping?
[08:02] <lakin> lsuactiafner: remove it from the appropriate run-level directory:  /etc/rcX.d/ where x is one of 0,1,2,3,5,6, etc. I use rcconf which does it appropriately.
[08:02] <Howitzer> ooh
[08:02] <yourghetek> no im just saying dont feel bad for not being able to answer the question, its not your responsibility at all just because you responded to my initial question
[08:02] <jdub> Seveas: pong
[08:03] <reka> lotusleaf: how so?
[08:03] <Seveas> jdub, can i privmsg you for a small question?
[08:03] <delire> lakin: update-rc.d defaults 80 also wise
[08:03] <jdub> Seveas: sure
[08:03] <lotusleaf> reka, one example is HowardG
[08:03] <james__> question...trying to get PHP, apache, mysql set up on ubuntu server...need assistance..thx
[08:03] <lakin> delire: yeah, update-rc.d is useful as well.
[08:03] <reka> yourghetek: ah, ok.  nm.  i thought you were angry at me. :-)
[08:03] <yourghetek> :)
[08:03] <delire> lakin: not used rcconf, will investigate
[08:04] <ztonzy> hey delire
[08:04] <lotusleaf> reka, HowardG<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:04] <delire> ztonzy: hi ztonzy what's up?
[08:04] <ztonzy> delire, spreading the word about Ubuntu were I live :)
[08:04] <delire> ztonzy: good lad ;)
[08:04] <Howitzer> hmmm
[08:04] <Howitzer> i'm really starting to like linux :/
[08:04] <ztonzy> delire, just finished homemade wok :)
[08:04] <ztonzy> delire, hehe
[08:04] <Howitzer> Oeh
[08:04] <lakin> I'm still waiting for my Ubuntu Shipit CD's to arrive. :(
[08:04] <Howitzer> wok
[08:04] <Howitzer> Wokking rules!
[08:05] <Cerb[AWAY] > m))
[08:05] <delire> ztonzy: you're an industrious chap!
[08:05] <Cerb[AWAY] > :))
[08:05] <Cerb[AWAY] > why not download them lakin
[08:05] <lsuactiafner> lakin : so how do you suggest i disable services? thing is i need to know to tell ppl the proper way then..
[08:05] <Howitzer> healthy and tasty
[08:05] <crut> #surabaya
[08:05] <reka> lotusleaf: oh.  that's interesting then.  what channel was he in?
[08:05] <lsuactiafner> lakin : just download the 600mb..
[08:05] <ztonzy> well, I grabbed, spaggetti, meatballs, and some frozen vegs...that's about it ;)
[08:05] <lotusleaf> reka, try doing a whois
[08:05] <lsuactiafner> i did on a 3k/s dailup
[08:05] <delire> ztonzy: it's time for me to leave
[08:05] <Howitzer> lakin, you should indeed download them, only took me 1h30m to dl
[08:05] <lotusleaf> reka, there's others on freenode too, it's interesting. I wonder why they're here.
[08:05] <ztonzy> delire, sorry ?
[08:05] <delire> ztonzy catch u on the morrow..
[08:05] <ztonzy> delire, oh
[08:06] <lotusleaf> reka, he's talking in #kernel-panic right now
[08:06] <HappyFool> Howitzer: for those of us on dialup it's more like 40 hours
[08:06] <lsuactiafner> Howitzer : you might have a percentage of the bandwidth the whole of south-africa has opened up to users
[08:06] <jdub> Seveas: done
[08:06] <Howitzer> ooh
[08:06] <Howitzer> oh yeah
[08:06] <Seveas> jdub, many thanks
[08:06] <Howitzer> i forgot that Ubuntu is African
[08:07] <Howitzer> it's nice though
[08:07] <Kejk_PL> chroot on knoppix sucks - I even can't set up apt
[08:07] <Kejk_PL> in with package (only name) is old kernel-iage?
[08:07] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, chroot is chroot, has nothing to do with the distro...
[08:07] <Howitzer> African linux community starts from nothing untill this great distro!
[08:07] <unit3> Indeed.
[08:07] <lakin> lsuactiafner, Howitzer: oh, I have the cd's for myself, but I wanted the nice versions to pass out to the non-converted.  AKA my dad.
[08:07] <HappyFool> ubuntu linux is not especially african
[08:07] <Seveas> linux-image-*
[08:07] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, you will be surprices, how it can mess with /dev
[08:07] <lsuactiafner> lol
[08:07] <Seveas> Kejk_PL, ack
[08:07] <unit3> anyone have any advice about my mkinitrd problems?
[08:08] <Howitzer> how do you mean, non-converted?
[08:08] <Kejk_PL> Seveas, , thx
[08:08] <unit3> I'm dying here! ;P
[08:08] <Howitzer> unit3, shoot
[08:08] <lakin> Howitzer: those who don't yet use linux.
[08:08] <Howitzer> ooh
[08:08] <Howitzer> lol
[08:08] <Howitzer> you speak like they're heithens
[08:08] <dr_willis> 100cc of sodium pentathol stat!
[08:08] <lsuactiafner> lakin : install an Xp theme and he shouldnt notice the differance
[08:08] <unit3> haha
[08:08] <Howitzer> lol
[08:08] <Howitzer> or use a thingy
[08:08] <Seveas> unit3, can you repeat the problem, i must have missed it
[08:08] <unit3> Howitzer: I posted above, but basically, my Ubuntu isn't making initrds properly.
[08:09] <unit3> mkinitrd says:
[08:09] <unit3> mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-k7 2.6.10-5-k7
[08:09] <dman> whats this:  "Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch"
[08:09] <unit3> cpio:   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x45590000): No such file or directory
[08:09] <unit3> cpio: (0xffffe000): No such file or directory
[08:09] <idan> hi, I cant find /dev/dsp (have an Old SBpro) what am I suppose to do ?
[08:09] <Howitzer> Oo
[08:09] <unit3> Of course, /lib/ld-linux is *right there*
[08:09] <lakin> lsuactiafner, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InitScriptList
[08:09] <ztonzy> lotusleaf, there used to be a m$ chatter in blenderchannels too few months ago :) we were a bit suspicous :)
[08:09] <unit3> I'm trying to run it booted into knoppix and then chrooted into Ubuntu.
[08:09] <Seveas> dman, that means: retry apt-get update
[08:09] <lakin> Howitzer, they are heathens.
[08:09] <Howitzer> i started ubuntu yesterday so i don't have a clue why i offered for help
[08:09] <unit3> Since my Ubuntu install no longer boots. :P
[08:09] <Howitzer> maybe so
[08:09] <Seveas> unit3, hmm, breezy?
[08:09] <BockBilbo> whats the name for the library of GD?
[08:09] <unit3> Seveas: nope, hoary.
[08:09] <Howitzer> but i'm still longing a tiny bit to windows
[08:09] <Howitzer> i mean
[08:09] <unit3> I'd expect super broken-ness on Breezy.
[08:10] <dr_willis> Howitzer,  Blasphmy!
[08:10] <lakin> lsuactiafner, it's not a problem of installing it myself, it's that my dad is on dialup, lives 3 time zones away, and I want him to hve a good impression of the software, some more professional than a burnt CD.
[08:10] <dr_willis> :P
[08:10] <dman> Seveas: re-ran it 4 times.. always same result
[08:10] <Seveas> there has been reported a problem like this. Did you manually compile a kernel?
[08:10] <reka> lotusleaf: closet linux users perhaps?
[08:10] <Seveas> dman, hmmm....
[08:10] <lakin> woohoo, my wireless mouse and wireless NIC just arrived.
[08:10] <unit3> However, I did have Breezy's libc installed at one point, and then I forced it back.
[08:10] <mirak> how to change the virtual desktop in gnome with the keyboard ?
[08:10] <james__>  question...trying to get PHP, apache, mysql set up on ubuntu server...need assistance..thx
[08:10] <unit3> Seveas: nope, just installed the latest security kernels from a day or two ago.
[08:10] <Seveas> unit3, that might just have f*d it
[08:10] <Howitzer> hey, i was kind of forced to try Ubuntu since XP has Registry_Error and i have to fully reformat
[08:10] <kevogod> During Ubuntu 5.04 install, the network card I was using was not autodetected since it was an old ISA card. I decided to skip network configuration as I would not be able to find drivers or anything. So I get the system up and then change the network card to a PCI one that is autodetected. It is listed in the Device Manager, however, it does not show up in the Network Settings dialog. How do...
[08:10] <kevogod> ...I get it to show up as eth0?
[08:10] <unit3> Seveas: yeah, that's what I'm figuring. Any ideas on what I'd need to do to fix it?
[08:10] <lonewolff> james__:  sudo apt-get install mysql-server php4 php4-mysql apache2
[08:11] <Howitzer> but i don't have an XP cd so i'm making backups with Ubuntu :D
[08:11] <Howitzer> but Ubuntu is here to stay
[08:11] <Howitzer> maybe as dualboot, maybe not
[08:11] <lotusleaf> reka, ...perhaps..
[08:11] <Howitzer> haven't decided yet :/
[08:11] <Seveas> unit3, that's really weird, you should mail it to the mailing list i know that one person who reads there has experienced the same
[08:11] <lotusleaf> reka, but if that was true, why would they be here on .microsoft.com ?
[08:11] <Seveas> it was a kernel-package problem
[08:11] <Howitzer> How do i reset X ? :/
[08:11] <britt_radiofree> hey, is anyone using flickr?
[08:11] <Seveas> Howitzer, what do you mean with 'reset'?
[08:11] <idan> alt-ctrl-backspace
[08:12] <Howitzer> well ehh
[08:12] <unit3> Seveas: unfortunately, this is the only machine I have here at work, and so now I don't have e-mail access under Knoppix. :(
[08:12] <Howitzer> hh yes
[08:12] <deFrysk> vrtl-alt-bckspce
[08:12] <Seveas> :/
[08:12] <deFrysk> ctrl
[08:12] <Howitzer> ctrl-lt-bckspce thiny
[08:12] <Seveas> ctrl-alt-bs does a hard reset
[08:12] <unit3> Plus, I sortof need to get it fixed *soon* so I can get back to work. :P
[08:12] <Howitzer> nd wtf won't my key work
[08:12] <Howitzer> eh
[08:12] <Seveas> unit3, don't you have another kernel installed?