[01:46] <jsgrant__> Besides familarity, is there any real advantages with using a "display server" or a compositor?
[01:48] <duflu> jsgrant__, you are free to use a text console.... but most people prefer a graphical interface which involves a display server and compositing. Which component does the compositing is not relevant to users
[01:49] <jsgrant__> Oh! Sorry, I meant "over a compositor".
[01:49] <duflu> jsgrant__, it's not a choice of one or the other. All desktops contain both
[01:50] <duflu> It's better to think of it as all desktops involve a display server, and "compositing" is something that some part of the desktop does. Don't think of "compositor" as a component
[01:51] <jsgrant__> duflu: Are we talking about compistor in the same sense, I'm wondering; I mean a'la a Wayland implementation of/on a client or the like.
[01:52] <duflu> jsgrant__, yes we are but your question only makes sense in a Wayland world. In Wayland you build a compositor as a component. In other desktops compositing already exists and is done by some existing part of the system
[01:53] <duflu> So there is no answer to the question if the question isn't relevant to other systems
[01:53] <jsgrant__> duflu: Is there some overview somewhere of the actual architectural diffrences between the two systems/methods, that you know of? Looked around & can't find anything.
[01:54] <duflu> jsgrant__, let me check...
[01:54] <jsgrant__> I've seen "Wayland is nicer than Xorg, because xorg is bloated" arguments -- that's about it.
[01:56] <jsgrant__> duflu: If you don't know any offhand, don't let me assign you hw; Just find it curious I really can't find any in-depth comparissions.
[01:56] <duflu> jsgrant__, Yes I found a useful page (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec). Confusingly it refers to compositor and shell as the same thing. That's true but only true for Mir :)
[01:56] <jsgrant__> Maybe my searchfu is just poori.]
[01:58] <jsgrant__> Will certainly look into page (notice now it's in the topic) & will look further; Have a feeling it must be out there more-so than I've been able to find thusfar, maybe just being drowned out by Wayland hype-pieces.
[01:58] <jsgrant__> duflu: Ty.
[02:12] <duflu> I know people like to draw architectural diagrams where "compositor" or "window manager" are labelled boxes. However those only make sense in certain contexts. Specifically, having a separate "compositor" component is only really true for Wayland and Xorg. And having a separate "window manager" is only really true for Xorg (where it typically is also the compositor). But neither of those are true for Mir. You might have a Mir server which
[02:12] <duflu> does both compositing and window management, but those are not themselves separate components you need to build or reinvent. This is one way in which Mir tries to be different
[02:18] <jsgrant__> Are there any alternative "window manager" environment you're aware of for Mir, that I can take a look at? Again if you aren't aware, don't have me give you hw.
[02:19] <jsgrant__> "window manager"-like*
[02:19] <jsgrant__> Sans Unity of course.
[02:21] <jsgrant__> Just found, https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/11/28/mir-is-not-only-about-unity8/ -- which kinda orbits this.
[02:22] <duflu> jsgrant__, yes the 'mir-demos' package contains 'mir_proving_server' and the 'miral-examples' package contains 'miral-shell'
[02:23] <duflu> Although none were ever really nice and ready for general use
[02:23]  * jsgrant__ wonders if it's worth the effort to try to run on Fedora or just spin up an Ubuntu VM. :^P
[02:24] <jsgrant__> Will probably end up doing both. Have spare box already running a minimal F25 install.
[02:25] <duflu> Mir by itself will run perfectly smoothly even on an original Atom from 2008. It's only Unity8 that had less backward-compatibility/performance
[02:27] <duflu> And actually Mir's backward compatibility is only limited by Mesa. Mesa chose to drop compatibility for older chips, so Mir (and others) can't go back that far
[02:27] <duflu> It's only Mesa dictating that limitation
[02:29] <duflu> *"so Mir (and others) can't go back much further than 2008 for Intel chips"
[02:34] <jsgrant__> Have boxes about that old, but not in active rotation; Shouldn't be a problem then -- neat! :^)
[07:41] <Son_Goku> hey
[07:41] <Son_Goku> morning all
[07:41] <Son_Goku> tvoss: hey
[12:43] <Son_Goku> alan_g: so apparently mir can't find capnproto on Fedora :/
[12:44] <Son_Goku> because Debian changed how the capnproto cmake stuff looks compared to upstream
[12:44] <Son_Goku> well, and upstream doesn't install it when using autotools (which is what they recommend for Linux)
[12:44] <Son_Goku> and there's the fun bigger problem that capnproto isn't building on GCC7 :(


[00:12] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: I have inside information on a lot of things, and that shouldn't surprise you.
 arraybolt3: I'm looking for one word: Community. The community completely makes Debian, while some people make Ubuntu as a day job. The point of Ubuntu, in some respects, is to make a Debian that's polished and ready to go once every 6 months. Sometimes that can mean taking necessary risks, shipping something in an interim that may not immediately make sense for everyone. That being said, the Ubuntu community (and CoC) is set up
 arraybolt3: As for arch:all builders and unsupported vs supported, some architectures in Debian are "officially built for" but not "supported." Hurd and x32 are such examples. As a general rule we should work to support all architectures, not just the supported ones maintained directly by Ubuntu, when possible. That being said, it's not a testing migration blocker in Debian. arch:all builders are completely separate in Ubuntu.
 I'm satisfied with where you're at on a philosophical level, and I deeply commend you for the courage to answer my far-reaching and deeply philosophical questions. Erich and Rik have both called me evil for these, and rightfully so, since hey, Rik is right, I used to be a lot deeper than this. Either way, I'm giving you the tools you need to be an impactful leader within the wider Ubuntu community, and understand in a wider capac
 @teward001 teward @kc2bez wxl: I'm ready to vote on arraybolt3's ~lubuntu-dev membership. As a reminder, including me, we need a +3 to pass him. Please read backlog, I am a strong +1.
 +1 from me
[02:46] <Eickmeyer> I never said evil. I said madman.
 Okay, okay. Fair enough. XD
 By the way arraybolt3, I'm rereading your messages and I'm not really finding anything I'd consider "wrong," can anyone else? You really hit the nail on the head with this one, my questions are just difficult and I set a high bar ;)
[02:52] <Eickmeyer> I'd also say it's ok to not have all the answers. It's ok to know where to find the answers and always to say, "I don't know, but I'll find out."
 Bingo ^^^^^^
 I agree with all of that too
[03:31] <teward> +1 here
[03:34] <guiverc> Congrats (again?) +arraybolt3 (as I read ^)
 Adding him appropriately, I'll handle announcements in the morning.
 Also I'm renewing myself as ~lubuntu-dev (which I am anyway but it expired), yes I'm terrible, shoot me :P
[03:49]  * kc2bez sends teward to collect a pound of flesh.
 Basically what I'm expecting XD
[03:50] <kc2bez> XD
 Congratulations @arraybolt3
 It's a pleasure to have you back
[14:29] <RikMills> arraybolt3: contrats \o/
[14:29] <RikMills> or congrats even!
 The faboulous manual now has 7777 commits in this
[23:18] <arraybolt3> o/
[23:18] <arraybolt3> Just now got back
[23:18] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Thank you so much! I read what you wrote and agree with everything. I guess I was just coming at it from a different angle since our brains aren't genetically identical :P
 It's fabulous because of you Lyn. (re @lynorian: The faboulous manual now has 7777 commits in this)
 arraybolt3 it is great to have you back on the development team.
[23:32] <arraybolt3> kc2bez: Thanks :) I really enjoyed it and look forward to how things are going to go in the future.


[01:53] <guiverc> lubuntu stable manual doesn't mention swap on installs I believe
[08:24] <kc2bez> We don't create swap in focal, that is why this was created: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-to-create-a-swapfile-in-lubuntu-20-04-20-10/1959?u=kc2bez
[09:39] <guiverc> sorry kc2bez , by stable I meant 21.04 install, manual doesn't mention it (drop down, yes/no - no adjustment of size)
[09:40] <guiverc> the reason for 'i believe' was I intended to do a qa-test install & verify (using impish in place of hirsute)... earlier comment was b/c of support question (as is usual)
 Ah, I got it now. Yeah we should document the dropdown option.


[05:16] <Cairo> buntu1
[07:37] <maquis> Hrmmm... I have a folder that I got syncing in Ubuntu One when I was on the desktop edition of Ubuntu.  Now, I'm using the netbook window-manager (Unity), and I can't seem to figure out how to sync again.  (It's set to sync manually instead of on a schedule)
[07:37] <maquis> is there a command-line way to sync?
[07:39] <mahen> hi there
[07:51] <ChrisWoollard> u1mstool
[07:51] <ChrisWoollard> should do it
[07:57] <ChrisWoollard> Oops, I meant u1sdtool
[07:57] <ChrisWoollard> I hope that helps
[09:07] <gabri> hi guys
[09:20] <gabri> hi
[09:26] <gabri> is there anybody that could help me with files sync?
[09:42] <gabri> how can I clean metadata queue?
[10:00] <gabri> hello!?
[10:01] <mahen> gabri: maybe you should try a bit later, it seems they are all sleeping or busy :)
[10:02] <gabri> mahen: maybe, thanks for the hint I'll try later
[10:30] <zetheroo> is it possible to have more than one Ubuntu One folder on a single computer?
[10:31] <commodoor> zetheroo, yes it's possible
[10:32] <zetheroo> and can I be signed into both accounts at the same time on the same user?
[10:33] <commodoor> zetheroo, oh not like that, you can have more than one folder shared with U1 but not have two accoutns
[10:36] <zetheroo> commodoor: ok I see ...
[10:40] <gabri> hei commodor may I ask U a question please?
[10:41] <commodoor> gabri, go ahead
[10:41] <gabri> there's a way to clear the metadata queue ? I'll briefly explain what i did
[10:42] <gabri> i've created a directory two days ago where I've build some small cplusplus code
[10:42] <gabri> exercise
[10:43] <gabri> everything worked fine untill i made a rename on some subdirectoyr say from Es1 tu es1-advance
[10:43] <gabri> now my sync folder isn't syncing at all
[10:43] <commodoor> ok, i know that problem
[10:43] <gabri> u1sdtool --waiting-content is empty
[10:44] <gabri> u1sdtool --waiting-metadata is 339 lines long
[10:44] <commodoor> ok
[10:44] <gabri> but u1sdtool -s reports WORKING ON BOTH
[10:44] <commodoor> i got a script from "rye". download this > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1053024/dump_metadata.py and run it
[10:46] <commodoor> gabri, first do u1sdtools quit
[10:53] <commodoor> gabri, did it work?
[10:54] <gabri> commodoor: I'try it now
[11:01] <gabri> commodoor: after running the script? simply reconnect?
[11:01] <commodoor> gabri, yes
[11:02] <gabri> u1sdtool --waiting-metadata is till full of operatations no more required
[11:02] <gabri> this seems to me that the script didn't work as expected
[11:03] <commodoor> gabri, what does "u1sdtool --status" say
[11:04] <gabri> State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[11:04] <gabri>     connection: With User With Network
[11:04] <gabri>     description: processing queues
[11:04] <gabri>     is_connected: True
[11:04] <gabri>     is_error: False
[11:04] <gabri>     is_online: True
[11:04] <gabri>     queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH
[11:04] <gabri>  u1sdtool --current-transfers
[11:04] <gabri> Current uploads: 0
[11:04] <gabri> Current downloads: 0
[11:05] <commodoor> gabri, it didn't work really
[11:06] <gabri> i saw :)
[11:06] <commodoor> wait
[11:06] <gabri> would u like to see some more logs from syncdaemon?
[11:07] <commodoor> can you pastebin it?
[11:09] <gabri> do you remember the link of pastebin at ubuntu?
[11:09] <commodoor> paste.ubuntu.com
[11:09] <gabri> lol googled ti
[11:10] <commodoor> haha ok
[11:10] <gabri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524376/
[11:12] <gabri> as from log syncdaemon is not working at all , but waiting-metadata is still full of unlink operation
[11:12] <commodoor> gabri, hmm not much to see
[11:12] <gabri> wait
[11:12] <commodoor> gabri, could you do this, u1sdtool quit, then run /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug 2>&1 | tee ~/syncdaemon-debug.log
[11:12] <gabri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524378/
[11:13] <commodoor> gabri, ok, its the damn move again
[11:13] <commodoor> hi rye
[11:14] <commodoor> rye, can you help gabri he is having the same issue with move
[11:14] <commodoor> rye, http://paste.ubuntu.com/524378/
[11:14] <rye> commodoor, hi
[11:14]  * rye is looking
[11:15] <rye> facundobatista, ping
[11:16] <rye> gabri, hi, do you know how "Lez1-Dev" got moved to another location? I mean have you moved it manually to another folder. I am just trying to find out what went wrong to reproduce it and finally force the resolution
[11:16] <gabri> ok i'll explain with more details what i did
[11:17]  * rye is looking at irclogs, in case they are up-to-date...
[11:17] <gabri> i ve created some directories inside U1 that I would share with my own laptop at home
[11:18] <gabri> i've code some cpp examples (auto tool stuff either ) inside those directory
[11:18] <gabri> after all that went home in time to see that none of my code has been synced
[11:19] <gabri> the day after back to work i saw throught nautilus that the U1 icons was still syncing
[11:20] <rye> gabri, this all is in Ubuntu One folder, not another synced folders, right?
[11:20] <gabri> i've left all the stuff as they are for more than two days but nothing happned
[11:20] <gabri> rye, yes everything is inside the U1 folder
[11:21] <gabri> i've made the mistake to share to much files in one move i think
[11:21] <gabri> autotool stuff and things like this
[11:21] <rye> gabri, well, this TRY_AGAIN response from server is actually a bug, yet the reason is not yet known
[11:22] <gabri> ok but my files are no longer synced i mean how can i simply sflush my queue for metadata ?
[11:22] <rye> gabri, ok... i have an idea, please wait
[11:22] <gabri> i 'll wait
[11:25] <rye> gabri, could you please have a look at https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ and see whether Lez1-Dev folder is present there and whether its parent folder matches the one that you got locally
[11:26] <rye> gabri, i mean the folder names only
[11:29] <rye> hm
[11:30] <gabri> the directory is not present in https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
[11:31] <rye> gabri, when you copied the folder to Ubuntu One how much time has passed before you renamed the folder? I am trying to ... hmmmmm
[11:31] <rye> okay
[11:31] <gabri> dunno a day a think
[11:31] <gabri> but i'm not so sure about this
[11:31] <gabri> maybe less more probably more than a day
[11:34] <rye> gabri, ok, could you please share whole u1sdtool --waiting-meta ?
[11:34] <gabri> yes i'llpaste bin it
[11:35] <rye> commodoor, I understand now what can be the problem but I don't know how to create this condition. I am missing something obvious
[11:35] <gabri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524383/
[11:35] <gabri> it could be surely my fault
[11:36] <gabri> i made something wrong with the messy directory
[11:36] <rye> gabri, no, that's not your fault. We had at least 3 cases here which is definitely a bug. Now we just need a time machine
[11:37] <commodoor> rye, what can be the problem?
[11:37] <Chipaca> nessita: morning
[11:38] <Chipaca> nessita: how comes the control panel?
[11:38] <commodoor> rye, my friend had the same issue i used ur py script and that fixxed it
[11:38] <rye> commodoor, Move() happens before parent folder MakeDir is ran on the server, probably
[11:38] <gabri> rye, maybe I made too many rename and move
[11:39] <rye> commodoor, the script that dumps metadata? Erm... it is not supposed to fix anything actually o_O
[11:39] <nessita> Chipaca: currently I'm waiting for some more backend development, in the mean time I'm tackling a few sso issues
[11:39] <commodoor> rye, so the server is trying to move to a folder to a that isn't there? yhea his meta was stuck, i gave him the metadump.py and worked :P
[11:40] <rye> gabri, "Ubuntu One/CppLessons/Lez1-Dev" is not on the server, is the original name for "Lez1-Dev" there?
[11:41] <gabri> rye, the directory is in U1/CppLessons/Lez1-Dev locally but i cannot see it through web interface
[11:41] <rye> gabri, is there U1/CppLessons/ directory ?
[11:42] <gabri> yep
[11:42] <gabri> inside i can see only the old lez1
[11:42] <gabri> which should be moved to Lez1-Dev
[11:42] <commodoor> rye, i think this happens if you try to change the name of a folder
[11:43] <gabri> yep this is what i made at least
[11:43] <rye> commodoor, yup, but a very strange rename
[11:43] <gabri> i moved locally usign mv
[11:44] <gabri> mv Lez1/ Lez1-Dev/
[11:44] <gabri> this is the syntax I've used
[11:44] <commodoor> rye, what do you mean with strange rename
[11:46] <rye> commodoor, gabri, yes, that's ok. Let me think for a couple more minutes...
[11:46] <rye> commodoor, user renames a file but syncdaemon somehow chokes on that...
[11:47] <rye> gabri, what does u1sdtool --info Lez1-Dev say ?
[11:48] <gabri> something really strange
[11:49] <gabri> no ok was my fault i'll pastebin wati
[11:49] <rye> gabri, well, in the same dir as Lez1-Dev
[11:50] <gabri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524389/
[11:50] <gabri> rye, commodoor, i'll be back in 10 minutes
[11:50] <rye>   node_id: None
[11:50] <rye> wow
[11:51] <rye> facundobatista, ping
[11:53] <mahen> rye : Hi Rye :) BTW I had sent this bugreport and set it as private, so I dunno if the persons who are supposed to read it will actually see it ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/666942 (you know, about what we talked about the other day)
[11:53] <ubot4> mahen: Error: Bug #666942 is private.
[11:53] <mahen> oh, clever bot
[11:54] <rye> mahen, is your syncdaemon still stuck/
[11:54] <mahen> rye : I can try again if you want... I disabled U1 because it didn't work properly
[11:55] <mahen> OK I launch it ; let's see. But I guess it won't make any difference, as no update occured meanwhile
[11:55] <rye> mahen, just run u1sdtool --start and run u1sdtool --waiting-meta. I am inrerested in u1sdtool --info on the moved directory
[11:55] <mahen> OK
[11:56] <mahen> I started it in debug mode, just in case
[12:06] <commodoor> rye, how can we debug it? to find where it goes wrong?
[12:07] <rye> commodoor, what i don't like about gabri's u1sdtool --info output is that node_id is None there, and no information about where the folder was moved from
[12:09] <gabri> hi rye i'm here again
[12:10] <commodoor> rye, yeah that's weird. so syncdeamon doesn't know what happend with it
[12:12] <gabri> maybe the best thing i can make is flush the metadata and mkdir everything from the beginnig
[12:16] <gabri> i'm out again for about an hour
[12:16] <gabri> rye, are U here when I came back?
[12:17] <mahen> rye : what is the --info argument ? The share ID ?
[12:17] <rye> gabri, yes, i will be here
[12:18] <rye> mahen, node_id
[12:18] <rye> sorry, doing some testing now
[12:18] <gabri> rye, see you soon bye thanks for your help
[12:19] <mahen> rye : are you sure ? It says : " error: PATH: '/home/mahen/518795a9-7711-45e6-ac01-dc2eabbb976f' don't exists"
[12:19] <rye> mahen, no, i mean run u1sdtool --info on a folder name
[12:19] <mahen> ah
[12:19] <rye> mahen, which is being moved
[12:20] <mahen> rye : sorry ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/524402/ (but there are still 18 metadata to process ATM)
[12:21] <mahen> (this directory was moved several times in a row : from "Corse" to "000c - Corse" to "000 - Corse"
[12:21] <mahen> and maybe more, I don't remember exactly :)
[12:24] <rye> mahen, ok, is sd connected?
[12:25] <mahen> yep, "processing queues"
[12:25] <mahen> meta data count = 17
[12:25] <mahen> the first one in the list being this very directory
[12:28] <mahen> (still 17, it's very long :)
[12:31] <rye> mahen, the first one is Move()? could you please share the waiting metadata ?
[12:33] <mahen> rye : http://paste.ubuntu.com/524405/
[12:35] <rye> mahen, booo, i had such a beautiful theory for this failure and now it does not apply. Ok, trying to come up with something better
[12:36] <rye> mahen, is there Images/000c - Corse in your online storage?
[12:36] <mahen> rye ; no
[12:36] <mahen> rye: as I told you, I renamed it several times quickly
[12:36] <mahen> must have confused U1 :)
[12:37] <mahen> but this is a case that should probably be taken into account
[12:37] <mahen> (oops, my comment above sounds a little harsh, it wasn't supposed to, sorry !!)
[12:43] <rye> mahen, this should be taken into account, yes. Something is really broken, but it becomes broken under some special conditions.
[12:44] <mahen> (BTW, I cannot tell for sure but I guess U1 was not started when I renamed twice in a row (or more) this directory -- because of my performance problems) It may be a factor
[12:55] <duanedesign> maquis: did you get your folder synced?
[12:59] <facundobatista> rye, pong
[13:01] <rye> facundobatista, we got gabri and mahen, all stuck at TRY_AGAIN during Move(). - ">gabri< i moved locally usign mv - mv Lez1/ Lez1-Dev/". On the web "inside i can see only the old lez1, which should be moved to Lez1-Dev"
[13:02] <rye> facundobatista, another thing is that for gabri the local folder does not have node_id assigned - http://paste.ubuntu.com/524389/, but don't know whether this is the reason or consequence. For mahen the node ID is assigned - ttp://paste.ubuntu.com/524405/
[13:02] <rye> mahen, are you still in TRY_AGAIN loop, by the way ?
[13:03] <facundobatista> rye, could you locate this in the server?
[13:04] <rye> facundobatista, syncing the server logs, ok
[13:04] <facundobatista> rye, thanks!
[13:05] <mahen> rye : well, how to figure it out ? There is indeed still the moved directory issue and the new "Images/71" directory I made is still empty. Waiting content is always of "8768"
[13:05] <mahen> (and waiting metadata is slowly decreasing, still at 10)
[13:06] <rye> gabri, whenever you return, could you please look at grep 'Session ID' ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log.* ?
[13:06] <mahen> rye: I have the feeling nothing had been updated since I moved the directory
[13:06] <rye> mahen, could you please pastebin last say... 20 lines from ~/.cache/log/syncdaemon.log ?
[13:06] <rye> mahen, sorry ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[13:07] <mahen> rye : http://paste.ubuntu.com/524422/
[13:07] <rye> mahen, yup, syncdaemon is stuck
[13:07] <rye> mahen, could you please run grep 'Session ID' ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log.*
[13:08] <mahen> 2010-11-02 12:58:50,738 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - NOTE - Session ID: '6554ce20-61a8-46c1-9bd8-f3e1c85c96d9'
[13:16] <gabri> rye, I'm back I'll paste the result of grep
[13:17] <gabri> rye, http://paste.ubuntu.com/524429/
[13:18] <mahen> rye: I'll be back in about 2 hours :)
[13:19] <rye> i hope we will finish searching before that...
[13:19] <mahen> rye: do you need some more pieces of information before I leave ?
[13:21] <rye> mahen, no, not for now
[13:52] <gabri> rye, any clue?
[13:52]  * rye is in the call now
[13:52] <rye> on
[13:53] <gabri> kk
[13:54] <gabri>  ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.StorageClient - DEBUG - Ping! rtt: 0.110 segs
[13:54] <gabri> what does this mean?
[13:54] <gabri> tells me if U need some more information
[15:43] <gabri> rye, ping
[15:45] <rye> gabri, pong, let me look at the search results
[15:48] <rye> facundobatista, "MoveResponse 135 - Request being started, working on: node: $uuid". Is that node somehow related to the data or that's some kind of processing node id? Basically I can't find any server-side errors for stuck Move()s
[15:49] <facundobatista> rye, jdobrien is actually working on some TryAgain we're answering by mistake... maybe you two can share what are finding
[15:49] <duffydack> I have just changed my password for u1, does anything need doing with the client ?
[15:50] <rye> duffydack, nope
[15:50] <rye> duffydack, OAuth is password-independent
[15:50] <duffydack> ok, must be something else wrong then.
[15:50] <rye> duffydack, there was a rollout as far as I know that could disconnect the clients upon restart
[15:51] <rye> jdobrien, I have "Request done" recods only, do you have more? :)
[15:51] <rye> *records
[15:51] <duffydack> im trying to sync a 4k file, just been stuck on sayin synchronising for last 10mins
[15:54] <jdobrien> rye, I still doing forensics...it will be a while
[15:58] <duffydack> Hmm, according to your indicator, it keeps trying to authenticate and failing.
[15:58] <duffydack> coincidence I just changed my password?
[16:11] <rye> duffydack, hm, trying
[16:16] <mahen> rye : back :)
[16:17] <dutchie> honk
[16:17] <dutchie> i seem to have corrupted songs in my music store :(
[16:17] <dutchie> well, just one actually
[16:18] <rye> mahen, well, it looks like jdobrien is now checking this. jdobrien, do you have any bug #?
[16:19] <rye> duffydack, connected (albeit slow) but now it is syncing
[16:19] <duffydack> its finished.  ok now
[16:25] <jdobrien> rye, I do not think what I am working on is a MoveResponse
[16:37] <gabri> rye, another problem here with a different directory
[16:39] <rye> facundobatista, "jd0brien- rye, I do not think what I am working on is a MoveResponse", I don't really know where to proceed from that :(
[16:47] <jdobrien> rye, are you saying you're getting a MoveResponse with a TRY AGAIN?
[16:48] <rye> jdobrien, the only thing i see is the client receiving TRY_AGAIN on attemtp to Move() but nothing in the server logs with TRY_AGAIN in it or anything looking suspicious
[16:48] <jdobrien> rye, lets see some logs
[16:49] <jdobrien> rye, are you saying the client is stuck in a forever TryAgain loop?
[16:49] <gabri> If U guys are discussing on my issue let me know if need some more log or information
[16:49] <jdobrien> gabri, are you the one getting try again errors?
[16:50] <gabri> I suppose so
[16:50] <gabri> only suppose because I don't know if there's others with this problem
[16:51] <rye> jdobrien, yes, gabri got a Move() request for folder (folder rename) which is stuck at TRY_AGAIN.
[16:51] <jdobrien> rye, is he uploading to it or doing something else
[16:51] <gabri> I was doing something else
[16:52] <gabri> the files were already been uploaded
[16:52] <gabri> i was simply renaming my folders
[16:52] <gabri> from Lez1 to Lez1-Dev
[16:52] <jdobrien> gabri, folder(s)? plural?
[16:53] <gabri> yes because there's more than one folder
[16:53] <gabri> but dunno why only the first one seems to be already uploaded
[16:53] <jdobrien> gabri, what's the command you ran? I would like to try to simulate it
[16:53] <gabri> the others remained locally but not on the server
[16:53] <gabri> mv oldname newname
[16:54] <gabri> simply
[16:54] <gabri> but I messed a little bit with names and files since because i used the folders to collect some c++ code examples
[16:54] <jdobrien> gabri, did you use wildcards?
[16:55] <gabri> no wildcards
[16:55] <gabri> i moved one directory per time
[16:56] <jdobrien> k
[16:56] <gabri> would U like to see the tree structures ?
[16:56] <jdobrien> gabri, were the folders at the same level, or did you rename child folders then rename parent folders?
[16:57] <gabri> all the folders are at the same levels but they do contains child folders
[16:57] <gabri> say Lez1 contains es1 and es2 (for example)
[16:57] <gabri> i moved Lez1 to Lez1-Dev
[16:58] <facundobatista> rye, ok, please remind me where the client log is, and I'll search in the server, and see what can I find
[16:59] <jdobrien> gabri, ok
[16:59] <jdobrien> gabri, are there a lot of files?
[16:59] <jdobrien> gabri, i mean a lot of children?
[16:59] <gabri> three or four leeves at least per directory
[17:00] <gabri> i think
[17:00] <gabri> say es1 has file.cpp but it can also contains autom4ac.cache
[17:00] <gabri> which is another directory
[17:01] <gabri> so from the root to top there would be at most 4 leeves
[17:02] <jdobrien> gabri, i need to know how many filed/folders would be effected, can you do a find | wc -l in one of the folders you renamed?
[17:02] <jdobrien> gabri, also, is your client still connected? u1sdtool -s
[17:02] <gabri> 84 in the root
[17:02] <gabri> 84 from the root
[17:02] <gabri> yes my client is connected
[17:03] <jdobrien> gabri, is this folder in ~/Ubuntu One?
[17:03] <gabri> yes
[17:04] <gabri> ~/U1/CppLessons/Lez1-Dev/es1/ ........
[17:04] <gabri> and so on
[17:04] <jdobrien> gabri, any you still see TryAgain errors in syncdaemon.log?
[17:04] <jdobrien> ~/U1 ?
[17:04] <gabri> shortening :P
[17:04] <jdobrien> k
[17:04] <gabri> i'll check
[17:04] <jdobrien> have to be sure :)
[17:06] <gabri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524526/
[17:07] <jdobrien> gabri, that looks like you just reconnected
[17:08] <jdobrien> gabri, can I see a longer tail of your syndaemon log?
[17:08] <gabri> yes i'll paste
[17:09] <jdobrien> gabri, what is the output of u1sdtool -s?
[17:09] <gabri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524528/
[17:09] <gabri> 200 lines from the tail
[17:10] <gabri> State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[17:10] <gabri>     connection: With User With Network
[17:10] <gabri>     description: processing queues
[17:10] <gabri>     is_connected: True
[17:10] <gabri>     is_error: False
[17:10] <gabri>     is_online: True
[17:10] <gabri>     queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH
[17:14] <iklow> hi! connection started to fail, with "Connection lost, reason: [Failure instance: Traceback (failure with no frames): <class 'twisted.internet.error.ConnectionDone'>: Connection was closed cleanly"
[17:14] <iklow> is there anything I can do about that?
[17:17] <jdobrien> gabri, can you check the web interface and see if the  renames happened?
[17:18] <gabri> ok the rename happend but no files has been uploaded
[17:18] <gabri> what have U done?
[17:18] <jdobrien> gabri, what do you mean no files were uploaded?
[17:18] <jdobrien> gabri, weren't the files already uploaded?
[17:18] <gabri> i mean that the directories are correctly listed there but are empty
[17:19] <gabri> the files supposed to be there
[17:19] <jdobrien> gabri, supposed to? when did you upload the files? had you ever seen the files uploaded?
[17:19] <rye> gabri, so there is Lez1-Dev now in https://one.ubuntu.com/files/ ?
[17:20] <gabri> wait slow down now i can see Lez4-Arr and other directories that has been renamed but no Lez1-Dev still Lez1
[17:21] <gabri> indeed Lez1 is the only that contains files
[17:21] <gabri> all the others directories still are empty
[17:21] <jdobrien> gabri, tail -f syncdaemon.log
[17:21] <jdobrien> gabri, is anything going on right now?
[17:22] <gabri> current uploads = 0
[17:22] <gabri> current downloads = 0
[17:23] <gabri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524543/
[17:23] <gabri> something is going on
[17:24] <gabri> but as far as i can see the sd is still stuck
[17:24] <gabri> 2010-11-02 18:23:46,160 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - DEBUG - Move                         share:''                                       node:'3943be4e-6293-4531-b6eb-514da72f6080'   Move(new_name="u'AutoToolEsempi1'", share_id="''", node_id="'3943be4e-6293-4531-b6eb-514da72f6080'", new_parent_id="'6b8b0c7d-7db1-4768-8ad8-e219c25e8078'", old_parent_id="'6b8b0c7d-7db1-4768-8ad8-e219c25e8078'") retrying
[17:25] <jdobrien> gabri, what about u1sdtool --waiting-metadata
[17:25] <gabri> is the supposed directory name correct i mean ... u'AutoToolEsempi1 in my local directory the "u'" is wrong since the dir is named AutoToolEsempi1
[17:26] <gabri> jdobrien, u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l reports 385 lines
[17:26] <gabri> brb in a minute
[17:27] <jdobrien> gabri, your client has a lot of work to do...not sure why it isn't doing it
[17:29] <gabri> this is maybe my fault
[17:30] <gabri> dunno how the client works but i ve used that directory to share some code with my own laptop at home
[17:30] <gabri> the files are examples of cpp code that are underdevelopment
[17:30] <gabri> so they has been modified a lot fo times adding comments
[17:31] <gabri> maybe i made the mv stuff too early and the server didn't have finished the upload process
[17:32] <gabri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524553/
[17:33] <jdobrien> gabri, that sounds about right.
[17:34] <mahen> rye : don't hesitate if you need more input :) I'm gonna have to leave, again, in 30 minutes :)
[17:34] <jdobrien> gabri, syncing is simetimes slow ...the directory structure gets created first, with a bunch of place holders for the files.
[17:34] <jdobrien> gabri, then the files are uploaded
[17:35] <gabri> since it is my fault not a bug i mean there's a "simple"  to flush the queues in order to restart the process from scratch?
[17:35] <jdobrien> gabri, are both of your computers connected right now?
[17:35] <gabri> the one at home is offline
[17:35] <gabri> right now
[17:36] <jdobrien> gabri, where are all the files, I mean, do you have a backup of everything outside of Ubuntu One?
[17:37] <jdobrien> rye, do you know the best steps for this user to take? ^^
[17:37] <gabri> i can copy everything outside
[17:40] <gabri> i've copied everything outside
[17:40] <andyrogers> honk
[17:41] <gabri> you can make me do the "best steps" ...
[17:42] <andyrogers> i need a bit of help please.
[17:42] <andyrogers> basically ubuntuone online says im over my quota my 455.8%, when I have a 20GB applied to my account.  My total file sizes are 9.1 GB
[17:42] <andyrogers> this only happened when I changed my package to the new one
[17:43] <andyrogers> and moved from the old 50GB one
[17:43] <rye> andyrogers, looking
[17:43] <andyrogers> rye: thanks
[17:45] <dutchie> which project should i file my "corrupted music files" against?
[17:45] <rye> andyrogers, could you please privately send me the email you are using to log in to ubuntuone for me to look at your account?
[17:45] <andyrogers> rye: will do
[17:46] <gabri> jdobrien, i've copied everything outside in my own home directory
[18:08] <gabri> rye, jdobrien are U guys still there ?
[18:08] <jdobrien> gabri, sorry, I've had to step away for a bit
[18:09] <jdobrien> gabri, rye is probably (or should be) away for today as it's late in his day
[18:09] <jdobrien> gabri, I wanted to make sure with him what the best way to handle your situation is
[18:09] <gabri> ok i mean what is the "solution" you suggest at rye ?
[18:09] <gabri> ah ok
[18:10] <jdobrien> gabri, he has more experience with this than I do
[18:10] <gabri> i mean i ve the full backup up-to-date
[18:10] <gabri> of my entire directory structure and files if there's a db to dump in order to restart from scratch let me know
[18:11] <gabri> how i can make this brute-force solution
[18:15] <rye> gabri, i think i lost the line of the conversation
[18:15] <gabri> hi rye,
[18:15] <gabri> as i said to jdobrien i've fully backuped my entire U1 directory
[18:16] <jdobrien> rye, he has two clients and it looks like one of them didn't finish the upload before he renamed the directories on another client
[18:16] <gabri> so if there's a DB to dump in order to make me able to restart from scratch (if this is the "best steps" who jdobrien refers to)
[18:20] <jdobrien> rye, how we can let him 'start over' do you think? or is there a better way around this
[18:24] <rye> commodoor, have you had more than one client connected when that TRY_AGAIN thing happened?
[18:25] <commodoor> rye, you mean in network, local machine?
[18:25] <commodoor> rye, but bth answes ar no
[18:26] <commodoor> i only use U1 on my laptop not other machine
[18:26] <commodoor> it's only for backup
[18:28] <rye> CardinalFang, is  0.7+r191~maverick1 known to be working in PPA ?
[18:34] <commodoor> rye, did you find something?
[18:35] <benste> hi, getting some errors in rhythmbox debug - which refer to u1 - someone interested ?
[18:35] <benste> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524585/
[18:35] <rye> jdobrien, regarding "one of them didn't finish the upload before he renamed the directories on another client" - i thought that node ids are used for that, not filenames... And I don't really understand what can go wrong there
[18:37] <gabri> rye, jdobrien i definitely bet that's my fault , I'm used to mess around my directories
[18:38] <gabri> since U've lost too much time maybe resultless it's better if I can restart from scratch and try to do cleanly what I was tring to do messy ...
[18:39] <commodoor> gabri, i don't think its you, i had the same problem
[18:39] <commodoor> purge U1 and reisntall didn't help
[18:39] <gabri> and after my restart i try to record all the steps I'll make in order to back trace the problems
[18:40] <gabri> it didn't help since the metadata queues i suppose are stored server side
[18:41] <gabri> or not ... this doesn't seems to be reasonable ... dunno
[18:41] <jdobrien> gabri, the metadata queues are stored locally
[18:42] <gabri> perfect ... where those files are stored?
[18:42] <jdobrien> gabri, let's not monkey with those right now.
[18:42] <gabri> :( ok
[18:42] <jdobrien> gabri, at this point i can't diagnose any of the problems you are having, our servers do not indicate there is anything wrong.
[18:42] <jdobrien> gabri, your client appears to be doing nothing
[18:43] <jdobrien> gabri, yet, when you looked at the web, changes were being made to the directories <---- is that correct?
[18:43] <gabri> and it's doing nothing indeed, but it suppesed to be doing something :)
[18:43] <gabri> jdobrien, i'll check
[18:45] <gabri> jdobrien, the web now shows more directories than this morning but still with no files inside
[18:45] <gabri> the one that has some files they are not indeed "files" since because I cannot download them
[18:46] <jdobrien> gabri, are you sure your client at home is disconnected
[18:46] <gabri> yes man the pc is powered off for sure
[18:46] <jdobrien> k
[18:47] <jdobrien> gabri, have you shared your files with other users?
[18:47] <gabri> jdobrien, gtg sorry let's keep track of this, tomorrow
[18:47] <gabri> jdobrien i've shared some files but not that one
[18:48] <jdobrien> gabri, ok
[18:48] <gabri> indeed theres' something strange also there
[18:48] <gabri> Shared list:
[18:48] <gabri>   id=12bcc75b-0063-443c-844c-1ba749f6deb2 name=PhpLessons accepted=True access_level=Modify to=https://login.ubuntu.com/+id/zr7fKNy path=/home/gabri/Ubuntu One/PhpLessons
[18:48] <gabri>   id=26f7cc62-4bf6-4ef6-b9cd-d87b00bde7e1 name=PhpLessons accepted=True access_level=Modify to=https://login.ubuntu.com/+id/cTN6z3Q path=/home/gabri/Ubuntu One/PhpLessons
[18:48] <rye> benste, what version of rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store are you running ?
[18:48] <gabri> as you can see
[18:48] <gabri> there 's two id for the same directory
[18:49] <benste> rye up to date stable 10.10 - give me a second will check in apt
[18:49] <rye> gabri, that's ok - the share id is not the node id
[18:49] <gabri> this happens because one of the person i'm sharing the directoy is not running the latest ubuntu maverick
[18:49] <benste> Version: 0.1.9-0ubuntu1
[18:50] <benste> rye guess it's 0.1.9
[18:50] <gabri> but why the same directory has two different share_id? because i'm sharing with two different users?
[18:50] <benste> rye plugin itself seems to be Version: 0.1.8-0ubuntu1
[18:50] <gabri> is it true?
[18:51] <benste> 0.1.9 is the store itself 0.1.8 the plugin
[18:51] <rye> gabri, yes, different users get different identifiers for your directories
[18:52] <gabri> ok sorry guys gtg see you tomorrow if you want to trace back this issue
[18:52] <gabri> and have time of course
[18:58] <mahen> rye : metadata are all processed, now it's "WORKING_ON_CONTENT" "description: waiting before try connecting again" with 8752 files to process
[18:58] <jdobrien> mahen, we just had a server rollout/restart, so it will take some time as we have lots of people reconnecting
[18:58] <mahen> okay, thanks jdobrien
[18:59] <benste> rye: did you get my version related messages ?
[18:59] <rye> benste, yes
[19:00] <benste> already have suspects why I'm getting these messages or is this normal ?
[19:00] <benste> normal => usual
[19:04] <rye> benste, well, i cannot reproduce that
[19:05] <rye> benste, looking into the sources to see what broke on your install
[19:06] <benste> -- my isntall worked fine
[19:06] <benste> my whole system audio is kinda borked just since i've installed banshee - which is really ... - not worth a name
[19:16] <rye> benste, earlier you mentioned 0.1.8 - the plugin. Could you please tell what plugin?
[19:17] <benste> http://paste.ubuntu.com/524609/
[19:17] <benste> looks like both is the plugin, but there are two versions installed
[19:25] <benste> rye: I'm gonna restart my PC to be sure that this is not something related to killing rhythmbox and banshee
[19:25] <benste> -- will do this after virtual box installation finished - if I'm not coming back the problem is related to a unexpected quit of rhythmbox and can be solved be restart
[19:27] <rye> benste, well, what's apt-cache policy rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store ?
[20:38] <google-fu> Anyone knows an expected date for the Windows Ubuntu One beta?


[07:05] <pitti> Good morning
[11:39] <knome> balloons, ping
[11:55] <elfy> really should be balloons, pop ...
[12:11] <knome> hehe
[12:11] <knome> and hey elfy!
[14:10] <balloons> you about elfy ?
[14:16] <elopio> good morning.
[14:16] <elopio> om26er: let me know if you want to work on your click element problem this week.
[14:17] <om26er> elopio, yes, we can work on it today or tomorrow which ever suits you
[14:17] <om26er> tomorrow might be better as I have less meetings tomorrow
[14:18] <elopio> om26er: ok, please arrange a meeting on the calendar.
[14:19] <om26er> elopio, does 40 minutes + 1 day sound good to you ?
[14:20] <elopio> om26er: yes. that would give us 30 minutes. And if we need to continue, we can do it on the UX stand up.
[14:20] <om26er> elopio, ok.
[14:21] <om26er> elopio, also do you have a suggestion on a new UX test ? I am trying to pick a new test to work on but would prefer some suggestion on which to pick
[14:22] <elopio> om26er: I'm not intersted in anyone in particular. You can pick from the list.
[14:29] <brendand> elopio, hey - i want to get the FakeUrlDispatcher helper landed in ubuntu-ui-toolkit, but in terms of testing it, it doesn't make much sense to have any tests for that in ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[14:29] <brendand> elopio, any thoughts?
[14:30] <elopio> brendand: any single line of code that goes into the toolkit must come with a test.
[14:30] <elopio> otherwise you are making the release process even harder.
[14:31] <elopio> brendand: thoughts, first try to get it merged on the url dispatcher project.
[14:31] <elopio> if that's not possible for a good reason, then copy one of the tests we have in unity.
[14:32] <brendand> elopio, but no change to the ui toolkit can break the url dispatcher. so yes it is best to put it in url-dispatcher, but after that, what?
[14:32] <brendand> elopio, and url-dispatcher doesn't have any autopilot tests does it?
[14:33] <elopio> if you put it in url-dispatcher, I would imagine that becomes a new url-dispatcher-testability package, like ken is doing for the content-hub.
[14:33] <elopio> and then your tests can depend on that package.
[14:34] <elopio> url-dispatcher doesn't have any autopilot tests. And it has a similar helper in c++.
[14:34] <elopio> so I have the feeling that if you propose this helper to the devs, they will tell you to use the c++ helper. Which could be good, I haven't tried that way.
[14:35] <brendand> elopio, but we need to be able to use it in python
[14:38] <elopio> brendand: we can call the c++ fake from python, if it's a library.
[14:39] <brendand> elopio, well we can - but it's a total pita
[14:40] <elopio> brendand: then try to convince the url dispatcher devs to add a python library on their testability package. I would love that.
[14:40] <elopio> and if they refuse, put it on the toolkit.
[16:15] <elopio> rhuddie: brendand is also working on the fake url dispatcher.
[16:15] <brendand> rhuddie, i am
[16:15] <elopio> maybe you two can pair to eithter put it on the url-dispatcher, to use the cpp one, or to put it on the toolkit.
[16:16] <brendand> rhuddie, there's a fake url dispatcher in reminders-app, which i want to move to url-dispatcher
[16:16] <rhuddie> brendand, sounds great
[16:16] <rhuddie> brendand, I copied that one which I was using for an address-book-app test
[16:17] <rhuddie> brendand, elopio, agreed much better if we can get it moved to url-dispatcher to save duplication
[16:17] <brendand> elopio, right now they don't have a 'testability' package. should i create one?
[16:18] <elopio> brendand: you should talk to tedg and try to convince him about that first.
[16:18] <elopio> if you start the code without talking to him, later you might find he doesn't like it.
[16:19] <elopio> but with kenvandine it was smooth, he did it himself so we didn't have to write anything at all.
[16:19] <elopio> I hope tedg would be similar.
[16:20] <elopio> rhuddie, brendand: can you take care of talking to him, or would like me to help?
[16:20] <brendand> elopio, i'll talk to him
[16:20] <elopio> brendand: awesome.
[16:20] <elopio> let me know what's the result and I'll update reminders to use your solution.
[16:21] <rhuddie> brendand, elopio, this is the branch I have for the address-book-app: https://code.launchpad.net/~rhuddie/address-book-app/ux-calling-helpers/+merge/226473
[16:21] <rhuddie> which is using the copied fake url-dispatcher
[16:22] <elopio> rhuddie: I'm looking at it. Would you like to get it merged with the duplicated fake, or wait until it's in a shared project?
[16:22] <rhuddie> elopio, the only issue is how long it takes
[16:23] <elfy> balloons: hey - what's up?
[16:23] <rhuddie> elopio, this ux test is also dependant on getting dialler app to python3, so currently there are other things to hold it up too
[16:23] <elopio> rhuddie: I'm happy with either solution, as long as you are working to move it as soon as possible, so whatever works best for you.
[16:23] <elopio> oh, I hate dialer's weird failure :@
[16:24] <balloons> elopio, Liz took care of me, ty
[16:24] <elfy> balloons: ignore me less it's to do with membership
[16:24] <rhuddie> elopio, brendand, let's first see how we get on with adding it to url-dispatcher. that would be the ultimate goal.
[16:24] <brendand> elopio, heh - if you're happy to merge it before then you can merge my branch instead :)
[16:25] <brendand> elopio, i was thinking you'd block me until it was in the 'right' place :)
[16:25] <balloons> elfy, it is to do with membership.. I let mine expire
[16:25] <elfy> just read -comm-team
[16:26] <elopio> brendand: I'm not open to discussion only on ubuntu-experience-tests :D
[16:27] <brendand> elopio, oh i see
[16:27] <brendand> :P
[16:28] <brendand> elopio, so do you want me to make my merge request then? it's the one you reviewed already that you said about not adding the address-book-app dependency. i just need to push to fake dispatcher
[16:29] <elopio> brendand: as you wish. As I said to rhuddie, if you want to get it merged with the duplicated fake, and then updated it to use the shared one, it's ok for me.
[16:29] <elopio> I'm happy that you are working on putting it in a better place.
[16:30] <brendand> elopio, maybe as you said, best to see how things go with ted first
[16:31] <brendand> elopio, i also have a branch for ubuntu-ui-toolkit all ready, but it needs tests. and i'm not sure what business url dispatcher tests have being in ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[16:31] <elopio> that's what rhuddie said, but I agree.
[16:31] <elopio> brendand: I didn't get the other thing.
[16:32] <elopio> brendand: it would be clearer if you push your branch so I can peek.
[16:33] <elopio> brendand: I saw your branch removing the mediaplayer tests. Thanks.
[16:33] <elopio> there's one failing test, so I'm not sure jenkins will let you land it.
[16:33] <elopio> I'm trying to fix it.
[16:35] <brendand> elopio, here ya go: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fake_url_dispatcher
[16:36] <brendand> elopio, like i said, no tests. would be very grateful to hear any thoughts on what kind of tests would be appropriate
[16:36] <elopio> brendand: wait, but this branch will only be useful if you can't make a testability package on url dispatcher, right?
[16:36] <brendand> elopio, but that's probably a moot point since ted agreed to create url-dispatcher-testability
[16:37] <brendand> elopio, but thoughts on tests still welcome. i need to put some in url-dispatcher
[16:37] <elopio> brendand: ok, so for testing this I would call url-dispatcher with subprocess and a test parameter.
[16:37] <elopio> then check that the fake urldispatcher got the same test parameter
[16:38] <brendand> elopio, ah is that how it works. cool
[16:38] <brendand> elopio, thanks for the tips. i need to go now and make some dinner
[16:39] <elopio> brendand: have a good night.


[03:01] <guiverc> I just saw comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1152399 by bdmurray, wow :(  that's a feature I like... if anyone is has more details on when this was/will-be implemented I'd love to read
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:46] <akem> Hello ;) What's up lotuspsychje ?
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> akem: all good here, how about you?
[07:06] <akem> I got some insects that got between the TV LCD and the front glass, makes me sick, if i wanna clean that its complicated i need to dismount the whole thing ://
[07:07] <akem> Other than that, i'm ok, still working on my Live Lubuntu stick adding and configuring stuff.
[10:54] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[10:55]  * daftykins hides
[10:55] <daftykins> el chupa cola :o
[10:56] <marcoagpinto> I have already drunk a bottle
[10:56] <marcoagpinto> :)
[10:56] <marcoagpinto> a bottle and a can to be more accurate
[10:57] <daftykins> scary
[11:21] <akem> Now you're full of energy ;)
[11:42] <marcoagpinto> yes
[11:42] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:43] <marcoagpinto> akem: I have been trying to implement a grammar rule in LanguageTool, but I am getting an error... I asked for help in the forum but so far no suggestions :((((
[11:43] <akem> No idea what this is about.
[11:43] <akem> I just do some C and Ruby.
[11:43] <marcoagpinto> LanguageTool is an open-source grammar checker
[11:44] <marcoagpinto> I am the guy in charge of Portugal
[11:44] <marcoagpinto> https://languagetool.org/
[11:44] <akem> Ha ok.
[11:44] <akem> To correct errors when typing and so on.
[11:45] <akem> Good luck with that then ;P
[11:51] <daftykins> xD
[12:04] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.38/
[16:51] <cucumber> hi there everyone
[16:51] <cucumber> is anyone else creeped out by the eyes of the new ubuntu background?
[16:51] <cucumber> It feels like it has been backdoored to keep you under watch
[16:51] <cucumber> I mean the eyes of the fossa
[16:52] <cucumber> what is the meaning of the name and the background image?
[16:52] <Maik> seriously?
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:53] <Maik> thought so :P
[16:54] <Maik> too bad they left, i just wanted to explain what Focal means
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> he scared himself off by the eyes
[16:55] <Maik> hahaha
[16:55] <cucumber> sorry I got disconnected
[16:55] <cucumber> lol
[16:55] <Maik> cucumber: Focal = Focus
[16:55] <cucumber> yeah
[16:55] <cucumber> I know that much
[16:55] <cucumber> that focal means focus
[16:55] <Maik> the lines represent the focus
[16:56] <cucumber> but on "what"?
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> on YOU :p
[16:56] <cucumber> yeah superficially means focus but on "whaaaat"?
[16:56] <cucumber> lol
[16:56] <Maik> stability?
[16:56] <cucumber> yeah
[16:56] <cucumber> on my needs or on my acitivity?
[16:56] <daftykins> impossible!
[16:56] <cucumber> I am partly joking
[16:56] <cucumber> but... I guess it is valid question
[16:57] <cucumber> daftykins how so?
[16:57] <daftykins> ah nothing serious, i was just teasing that the focus would be stability
[16:57] <cucumber> oh ok
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> cucumber: the ubuntu wallpapers are designed by community users, best ones get chosen
[16:58] <cucumber> yeah a more stable and highly encrypted backdoor! lol
[16:59] <Maik> cucumber: paranoia?
[16:59] <cucumber> seriously I love the whole GUI thanks to the devlopers but I am going to change the background it is giving me the creeps and I am feeling very uneasy
[16:59] <cucumber> but thanks for the rest
[16:59] <cucumber> been using ubuntu since 2009 anyways
[17:00] <cucumber> Maik: yeah, but would I be wrong i the current state of the world?
[17:00] <cucumber> in
[17:01] <Maik> i just don't like it when people jump in the ubuntu channels and start talking nonesense just because of a thing like a wallpaper :)
[17:01] <cucumber> well
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> rfm: those oldskool toolz are the best :p
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> rfm: i really miss sux
[17:02] <cucumber> But thank you at least for the "wink" I mean if there is a back door, (lol) you did the honest job of delivering the message with the bright shiny eyes XD
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> cucumber: whats this backdoor joke you bring on?
[17:03] <cucumber> yeah old times ubuntu was and still is like a chocolate like candy
[17:03] <cucumber> loved it and still love it a lot
[17:03] <daftykins> business brown!
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> cucumber: if you want a backdoor in your iso, maybe try mint? :p
[17:04] <cucumber> lotuspsychje : not a joke they asked Linus Torvalds about it too, remember?
[17:06] <Maik> they asked Linus if he has been asked to implent a backdoor in the kernel
[17:06] <cucumber> yeah
[17:06] <oerheks> where you there?
[17:06] <oerheks> :-D
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:06] <cucumber> and he noded yes and said no
[17:06] <cucumber> with a very nervous laughter
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> and the fire eyes of a fossa
[17:07] <cucumber> yeaaaah
[17:07] <cucumber> super firey
[17:07] <cucumber> bright and shiny
[17:07] <cucumber> focusing
[17:07] <cucumber> on
[17:07] <cucumber> YOU
[17:08] <cucumber> to service you better and stuff
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> cucumber: so, you like your new install?
[17:09] <Maik> which stage of the coronavirus is this? :P
[17:09] <cucumber> all the jokes aside yeah i toootally do really
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> lol Maik
[17:09] <cucumber> lol
[17:09] <cucumber> the middle stage
[17:10] <Maik> ouch.... not quite there yet then XD
[17:10] <Maik> be prepared
[17:10] <cucumber> nooohh it has been melow so far not that bad
[17:10] <Maik> jokes aside, glad you still like ubuntu
[17:10] <cucumber> it depends on many things
[17:10] <cucumber> oh yeah i do
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> cucumber: dont you wanna install an irc client now?
[17:11] <cucumber> naaah
[17:11] <cucumber> easier on web
[17:11] <Maik> i myself returned home to Ubuntu a few months ago
[17:11] <cucumber> irc clients give me the itches
[17:12] <Maik> first release i started using was Feisty Fawn
[17:12] <cucumber> could be an allergy
[17:12] <Maik> irc clients work well
[17:12] <cucumber> oh yeah they do
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> rfm: looks nice to me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xephyr#/media/File:Xephyr-IceWM-Fluxbox-LinuxMint.png
[17:16] <cucumber> daaaaamn, it is even focal ...fooook all get it?!
[17:16] <cucumber> lol
[17:16] <cucumber> XD
[17:19] <cucumber> I am getting disconnected over and over
[17:19] <cucumber> :(
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> cucumber: try an irc client :p
[17:27] <Maik> lol
[17:28] <Maik> he belongs in offtopic... like... for real
[17:28] <Maik> :P
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> offtopic doesnt take clowns neither :p
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> Maik: at least they dont rant in main this way
[17:31] <Maik> true :)
[20:24] <akem> Any recommendation for the best USB 3 stick regarding speed etc?
[20:25] <akem> For a live USB. I finished it. I can run wine32 and 64 apps on it, i got gimp, libreoffice, ffox, chromium, it's reaaaallly good, i'm very happy about it :P


[11:41] <gary_poster> bac, morning.  did you switch tarmac to look for the well-known file, but we still need to add it for tarmac?
[11:41] <bac> gary_poster, both are updated.  i'm trying to figure out why it isn't finding it
[11:41] <gary_poster> bac, weird, k thanks
[11:42] <bac> and when i google for info about setting up the verify_command, my own wiki page is one of the top hits.  unhelpful.
[11:44] <gary_poster> heh
[11:44] <gary_poster> bac, any bites from rockstar, or hints that he might actually review/merge your branch anytime soon
[12:03] <bac> gary_poster, no.  i forgot to ping him y'day
[12:04] <gary_poster> k, we were busy
[12:04] <bac> gary_poster, him merging the changes would be nice but we do have work-arounds in place
[12:04] <bac> so it is annoying but not impacting us
[12:04] <gary_poster> understood bac.
[12:04] <bac> figured out the pre-commit hook problem
[12:04] <bac> weird
[12:04] <gary_poster> what was it, if it is short to describe?
[12:05] <bac> at 15 and 45 a cronjob pulls new tarmac-puppet branch
[12:05] <bac> but at 0 and 30 a different cronjob actually installs it.
[12:05] <bac> so for 15 minutes you have good code that is not being run
[12:06] <bac> the first is run as tarmac but the second as root.  i think it would be nice if the skew were smaller.
[12:09] <gary_poster> huh
[12:09] <gary_poster> weird
[12:09] <gary_poster> bac benji gmb https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f135cc1be8fc9bbfbb3d0128a6f81e6403c1c8f4?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[12:09]  * gmb does the firefox dance
[13:55] <gary_poster> bac, do you want to pair on the next steps of the install thing? (No is fine, just asking)
[13:55] <bac> yes, that would be good
[13:56] <bac> if you start a hangout i'll join in a few minutes
[14:09] <bac> gary_poster, ^^
[14:09] <gary_poster> bac https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f82bede9fbd65df1dda02cb90f7324f306fd834e?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[14:10] <gary_poster> invited both accounts
[14:10] <bac> sorry,i'd missed it
[14:23] <gary_poster> benji, bac sez ctrl-space (important for emacs) does not work in tb, fwiw
[14:23] <benji> gary_poster: interesting, I'll file a bug
[15:01] <bac> https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/lpsetup/refactor-install/+merge/113753
[15:11] <gary_poster> bac https://bugs.launchpad.net/lpsetup/+bug/1021771
[15:11] <_mup_> Bug #1021771: Write new "update" command <lpsetup:In Progress by bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1021771 >
[15:41] <benji> bac: you've done some work with getting ssh to shut up about ec2 instances that "change", was any of that in the context of ssh called by juju?  I'm trying to automate some juju calls and the unskippable ssh prompts are killing me
[16:42] <bac> benji, trying to parse that sentence.
[16:43] <bac> benji, which prompts?  i only know about using -o StrictBlahBlah=no
[16:59] <gary_poster> bac, when do you want to hang out again?
[16:59] <bac> yep
[17:00] <bac> gary_poster, putting in my earphones
[17:11] <benji> bac: (I was AFK/lunch.)  Yeah, those prompts were what I was talking about.  I was having a problem with juju calling ssh which would then prompt.  The solution I came up with was to use the "sshpass" program to trick ssh into thinking a real person typed in it's oh-so-precious "yes"
[17:11] <bac> it's not nice to taunt SSH
[18:08] <gary_poster> bac abspath(expanduser('../foo'))
[18:18] <gary_poster> bac
[18:18] <gary_poster>   --use-http     Force bzr to use http to get the sourcecode branches rather
[18:18] <gary_poster>                  than using bzr+ssh.
[20:51] <gary_poster> benji, how goes integration tests?
[20:52] <benji> gary_poster: they have determined that lpsetup init-host is broken
[20:52] <gary_poster> s/goes/go the/
[20:52] <gary_poster> great!
[20:52] <benji> I like that attitude. ;)
[20:52] <gary_poster> in what way, benji?
[20:52] <gary_poster> :-)
[20:53] <benji> one part of lpsetup is generating ssh keys and then another part tries to do the same thing and falls over
[20:53] <benji> I am trying to figure out where the first part is.
[20:54] <benji> oh! I found it
[20:55] <benji> aparently this code path hasn't ever been run
[20:56] <gary_poster> cool benji.  so you have a pattern for us to follow, and it is ready to merge once the test actually passes?
[20:56] <benji> gary_poster: yep
[20:57] <benji> I did have to move away from using unittest though; SSH's deep need to interact with the user foiled my plans
[20:57] <benji> (ssh is so needy)
[20:57] <gary_poster> great news benji, ty.  I sent an email: bac and I have broken lxcinstall and run out of time.  automated tests will be so nice.  what do you run now? custom harness?>
[20:59] <benji> it's just a script; once we want a second test like this I bet the best thing to do will be to just add another function to the script
[20:59] <benji> or at worst, extract a couple of functions into a module so all the test scripts can use them
[20:59] <gary_poster> sounds good benji
[21:00] <benji> I'm going to push what I have and write up a hand-off email so the euro-yellows can work on it if they have time monday
[21:00] <gary_poster> great benji thank you.  I believe frankban is back Wed, so it is just gmb Monday
[21:00] <benji> k


 (Photo, 501x54) https://i.imgur.com/SGybP8f.jpg
 add those 2 lines to Environment Variables in session settings
[12:01] <_017> .
[12:04] <ljb> 有人吗
 @ljb [<ljb> 有人吗], 你需要什么？ 这个频道是英文，电报是中文
 what do you need?  this channel is in English, there is one in Telegram in Chinese
[12:14] <kc2bez> Unfortunately they left before you replied @N0um3n0
 Ouch... Ok.. thanks..
[12:15] <kc2bez> They only stayed for 20 seconds :(
 @Chino San [That totally worked, thanks a lot man, i was losing my mind.], Great..
 Is there any way to determine the name of a device currently being root? … like sda, mmcblock1 or nvme0n1
 I need a device to look up in /sys/block/
 I'm currently trying to use  … ```        ROOTFS_PART=$(eval $(lsblk -oMOUNTPOINT,PKNAME -P | grep 'MOUNTPOINT="/"'); echo $PKNAME) …         ROOTFS_DEV=$(basename "$(readlink -f "/sys/class/block/$ROOTFS_PART/..")")``` … But it fails on some emmc as these refer to /sys/devices/soc0/soc/2100000.aips-bus/2194000.usdhc/mmc_host/
 @emergencyrussia [Is there any way to determine the name of a device currently being root? … like sd …], Something like: `mount | awk '"/" == $3 { print $1 }'`?
 @aptghetto [Something like: mount | awk '"/" == $3 { print $1 }'?], Doesn't work on my both machines
 One displays the partition block … /dev/mmcblk1p2 … Instead of … /dev/mmcblk1
 The other one uses lvm disk mapping
 You need the partition or the disk?
 it displays /dev/mapper/*
 @aptghetto [You need the partition or the disk?], I need the disk
 The idea is to determine if the system runs on ssd or hdd in a shell script
 I use cat /sys/block/$ROOTFS_DEV/queue/rotational
 The problem is that all the solutions I've found either do not work on emmc, or on nvme or on lvm
 lsblk suddenly fails
 Interesting problem: `rootpartition=$(mount | awk '"/" == $3 { print $1 }') … for device in $(lsblk -d -o name,rota | awk '0 == $2 { print $1 }'); … do …         if [[ "$rootpartition" =~ "/dev/$device" ]]; then …                 echo "$device is a SSD" …         fi … done`
[13:32] <lubuntu> hi
 @aptghetto [Interesting problem: `rootpartition=$(mount | awk '"/" == $3 { print $1 }') … for …], Wow
 The value in rootpartition might not be the correct one
 @aptghetto [The value in rootpartition might not be the correct one], Yup
 It fails on nvme
 lsblk -o name,rota,mountpoint -P| grep 'MOUNTPOINT="/"'
 This probably works
 `eval $(lsblk -o name,rota,mountpoint -P| grep 'MOUNTPOINT="/"') ; echo $ROTA`
 This one seems to work
[14:26] <lubuntu> hi
[14:29] <Guest70587> hello
[14:42] <Guest70587> HELLO


[15:16] <ananke> so I'm trying to figure out how to approach solving an issue. we have a per-boot script that potentially runs longer than an instance may be up for the first time, and as a result a required per-instance script doesn't run on that first boot
[15:17] <ananke> I'm wondering if there's a good way to kick off that per-instance script during the shutdown, but I'm not sure if it's possible to tie in into the power-state-change module


[01:46] <jcastro_> bkerensa: misleading headline
[01:46] <jcastro_> that's just some wine thing!
[01:47] <bkerensa> jcastro_: on Ubuntu
[02:27] <mhall119> I'd be fine with it being wine, but it's still pretty hacked together it seems
[02:27] <mhall119> also, it's still silverlight
[02:27] <mhall119> so not a FLOSS solution
[02:29] <bkerensa> mhall119: the hacked together part is getting sorted it will all be patched upstream and a ppa made to make install painless
[02:29] <bkerensa> there likely will not be a FLOSS solution since Netflix has been adamant about not working on Linux
[02:30] <mhall119> it's not that they don't want to work on Linux, it's that they can't provide DRM on an open system
[02:30] <bkerensa> correct
[02:30] <bkerensa> much like Steam is not open sourcing its platform for a very similar reason
[02:31] <mhall119> I'm sure they'd happily support Netflix on Linux with Silverlight
[02:31] <bkerensa> lol
[02:31] <bkerensa> well the thing is they are moving away from silverlight
[02:31] <mhall119> right, IIRC Microsoft is killing it off
[02:31] <bkerensa> and last time I checked Microsoft was not willing to work with Mono folks in the past anyways
[02:32] <mhall119> they've been very willing to work with Mono
[02:32] <bkerensa> wat
[02:32] <mhall119> they just won't guarantee a DRM implementation on an open source codebase
[02:32] <bkerensa> hah
[02:32] <bkerensa> :D
[02:32] <mhall119> If memory serves, Microsoft did a lot of work with the Mono project to create Moonlight
[02:33] <mhall119> What they won't provide is the DRM bits (Playsforsure or something like that)
[02:33] <mhall119> so while the Netflix client will likely run on Moonlight just fine, without the DRM parts it won't be able to decode the videos
[02:34] <bkerensa> so solution is
[02:34] <bkerensa> Canonical subsidizes Netflix to provide a closed package
[02:34] <bkerensa> :P
[02:34] <bkerensa> otherwise how will Ubuntu TV ever work?
[02:34] <mhall119> same way Roku does, the OEM provides the DRM bits in hardware
[02:35] <bkerensa> so it will be a open source tv but with closed hardware?
[02:36] <mhall119> yes
[02:36] <mhall119> DRM doesn't work with "open"
[02:36] <mhall119> since it, by necessity, must give you a copy of the decryption key without letting you access the decryption key
[02:39] <mhall119> which is why a closed-source package from Canonical isn't likely, we would have to guarantee to the content producers that users will not be able to access the key we ship with the package
[02:39] <mhall119> and given that our users can do a lot of things to access it that they can't do on Windows or Mac, that'd be very, very hard to guarantee
[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[08:37] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:47] <elfy> hi czajkowski
[12:16] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:48] <daker> hi
[13:30] <Pici> Is http://ubuntu.mirocommunity.org/ supposed to still exist?
[13:30] <Pici> Where would a user find content that was there.
[13:30] <czajkowski> Pici: what was on there?
[13:30] <czajkowski> never heard of it before
[13:32] <jcastro_> it used to have ubuntudeveloper content
[13:33] <Pici> Oh, I misread the user request, they're looking for content from UDS-M
[13:33] <jcastro_> it should be on ubuntudeveloper and/or the blip channel
[13:33] <Pici> jcastro_: righto, I'll point them in that direction.
[15:09] <jcastro_> so originally we uploaded all the videos to blip
[15:09] <jcastro_> and then it would distribute to youtube and miro
[15:09] <jcastro_> but miro and blip changed interfaces/goals at some point
[15:09] <jcastro_> so now it's just basically using blip to autoupload to youtube
[15:21] <jcastro_> dholbach: hey did you guys figure out what to do with the FAQ? SHould I idle in your meeting?
[15:22] <dholbach> jcastro_, I think cwayne18 is on it and it might take a while
[15:22] <dholbach> but I'm not 100% sure
[15:22] <dholbach> I can ask him in the meeting
[15:22] <jcastro_> k, #ubuntu-meeting?
[15:22] <dholbach> yep
[16:10] <dholbach> what a great meeting
[16:14] <nhandler> /134/85
[17:06] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[21:13] <bkerensa> jcastro_: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4795880 (posted) also upboat on Reddit


[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <dholbach> davidcalle: is http://pad.ubuntu.com/zdvmD4Ekb6 all right - or is there anything else I was missing?
[08:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: morning o/ No, I think it's fine
[09:04] <dholbach> ok cool
[12:45] <davidcalle> dholbach: rt for staging is being looked at today
[12:45] <dholbach> <3
[12:45] <dholbach> nice!
[13:42] <dholbach> davidcalle: do you still have the rt number?
[14:00] <davidcalle> dholbach: I do /mp
[14:00] <dholbach> thanks
[14:00] <davidcalle> pm* :)
[14:01] <dholbach> it's an XS ticket
[14:01] <dholbach> do it do it do it!
[14:02] <davidcalle> :)


[01:22] <ScottL> i'm in #ubuntu-meetings waiting for my turn for membership application meeting
[01:23] <ScottL> the waiting is making me a bit axious :/
[01:25] <holstein> ScottL: w00t
[01:25] <ScottL> thanks holstein :)
[01:35] <TheMuso> ScottL: Well done!
[01:35] <ScottL> thank you TheMuso  :)
[01:36] <TheMuso> Sorry I got in there too late, had to reboot my IRC box.
[01:36] <ScottL> that's okay, it went very well i think
[01:37] <ScottL> persia told me to document *everything* in my wiki, i took him at his word :)
[01:37] <ScottL> i think that carried the day ;)
[01:38] <TheMuso> heh
[01:39] <holstein> ScottL: you got it?
[01:41] <ScottL> holstein, i did
[01:41] <holstein> ScottL: congrats :)
[01:41]  * holstein knew you would
[01:43] <ScottL> lol, thanks holstein
[02:09] <rlameiro> ScottL: CONGRATS!!!
[02:16] <ScottL> thanks rlameiro  :)
[09:57] <falktx> ScottL: i just added u as a friend on youtube
[09:57] <falktx> ScottL: i'm starting to make audio/music/linux video tutorials
[09:58] <falktx> ScottL: "deadbeatguitarist" will do the english voice
[12:01] <ScottL> falktx, that is completely awesome!
[12:02] <ScottL> i've been working on some "made with ubutnu studio" buttons that could be used in a video
[12:02] <falktx> yep, i read the mailing list
[12:02] <falktx> ScottL: have u checked the video?
[12:02] <ScottL> falktx, also, have you played with the lv2vocoder?  i want to make a robot voice
[12:03] <ScottL> falktx, i thought of a good splash screen thing that might work well for a video that includes voice
[12:03] <falktx> I should make a tutorial about voice effects
[12:03] <ScottL> heh, LOL, yeah
[12:03] <falktx> reverb, chorus, vocoder, or even flanfer
[12:03] <ScottL> falktx, i haven't looked at any videos at this point
[12:03] <falktx> *flanger
[12:04] <ScottL> falktx, one of the goals i had for our documentation was at least one setting per effect that new users could use
[12:04] <ScottL> doesn't make them great settings, just okay, but at least it is a place for new people to start
[12:05] <ScottL> oh, two sentences ago should have said "was at least one setting *documented* per effect"
[12:06] <falktx> ok
[12:07] <ScottL> i'm leaving for work but i'll be back on as 'scott-work' in 35 minutes
[12:07] <ScottL> but before i leave i want to tell you that i apprecicate and feel fortunate for you efforts and i think you are helping to make linux audio a better place :)
[12:08] <falktx> ScottL: thanks, i really do my best
[12:08] <falktx> ScottL: i hope to get zynaddsubfx as a vst plugin soon
[12:08] <falktx> that is not that easy
[12:08] <falktx> ScottL: i got zyn as a dssi plugin
[12:08] <falktx> ScottL: there's no gui, but u can use presets
[12:09] <ScottL> zyn is also now in debian and should be in ubuntu real soon :)
[12:09]  * ScottL is heading to work
[12:09] <falktx> hm, zyn is already in lucid
[12:10] <falktx> as my package
[12:10] <falktx> and included in ubuntustudio
[12:10] <falktx> AFAIK
[12:20] <quadrispro> ehya guys
[12:21] <quadrispro> ScottL, zyn has already been synced with Debian
[14:41] <scott-work> falktx: i saw what you and quadrispro mentioned about zyn, sorry, sometimes i can be a bit slow :)
[14:41] <scott-work> and i'm not sure why abogani removed any kernels from his PPA though :/
[14:43] <falktx> scott-work: that rt removal is very sad
[14:43] <falktx> scott-work: i copied the maverick packages to my ppa and i'm adjusting them now (to make them work!)
[22:13] <scott-work> six days to debian import freeze :/


[01:03] <dabblerdude> genii: Hey genii, so my system froze up earlier again; I went into a TTY, logged in, and typed "killall systemd."
[01:04] <dabblerdude> Doing that command got me back to the login screen.
[05:57] <ced-no> jello
[05:57] <ced-no> hello
[06:15] <ced41> Help, I booted up xubuntu today and it was working yesterday, and when I exit, I get the Karnel Panic, I'm guessing it's because it's trying to mount to /root/*, but I don't know how to fix it.
[06:28] <diogenes_> ced41, are you sure you didn't mess with anything like gparted, partitions etc.?
[06:31] <ced41> diogenes_I tweaked the partitions, but not the xubuntu partition.
[06:43] <ced0180> \msg ced0180 REGISTER 5158<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:46] <ced0180>  /msg NickServ REGISTER
[07:15] <ced90> diogenes_ Sorry, I've been out of the office for a while.
[14:52] <Xeroine> Hello, I downloaded Focal Fossa LTS release 20.04 and wrote the .iso file using dd but it doesn't boot for some reason. I've triple checked secure boot is disabled, changed boot order, etc. I think everything should be correctly configured in the UEFI firmware settings but it just doesn't boot. can anyone help?
[14:53] <Xeroine> it just boots me into the GRUB menu not from the usb
[14:57] <Maik> you sure you DD'ed it properly?
[14:58] <Xeroine> I think so, idk I guess I'll try again
[14:58] <Maik> did you also try another usb port?
[14:59] <Maik> otherwise try using the usb startup creator, it's in the repo's
[14:59] <Xeroine> aight
[15:03] <xu-irc46w> Hello. It's my first time here. I'm from Switzerland, old Linux user (since 1996/7). I'm trying to help people use Xubuntu without using a command line interface.
[15:06] <Maik> xu-irc46w: this channel is for support questions related to Xubuntu. #xubuntu-offtopic is for casual talk. :)
[15:07] <Maik> also
[15:07] <Maik> !discuss
[15:13] <xu-irc46w> So, I'm at the right place. The problem is (Xubuntu 20.04): a person must enter the wlan Mac Address allow access to her phone wifi gateway. How can she find the MAC address of her wlan interface without any established connection? In the connection menu, the Connection Information is grayed out.