[02:26] <andy38> Anyone van julle (lol) offer advice on kernel panics on VM clouds?
[05:25] <bduk> Good morning everyone
[05:41] <Kilos> hi EvilDMP
[05:41] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[05:42] <Kilos> hi bushtech charl inetpro Squirm nuvolari and other lurkers
[05:54] <Kilos> hi gremble
[05:58] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[06:32] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:36] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock
[06:36] <Joe_knock> Hi
[07:01] <Squirm> morning
[07:08] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:36] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:36] <TinuvaMac> morning
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> TinuvaMac: they got our fibre running at 100M finally :)
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> was apparently some issue with router config or a firmware upgrade somewhere or whatever
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> dunno, not my dept. :)
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's working that's all that matters
[08:15] <Kilos> yeah
[08:15] <Kilos> working is good
[08:17] <charl> good morning
[08:17] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:17]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:18] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:18] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:18] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[08:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:21] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[08:21] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:22] <charl> hi Kilo, ThatGraemeGuy, TinuvaMac, Squirm
[09:06] <TinuvaMac> ThatGraemeGuy: thats awesome =>
[09:21] <Kilos> wbb
[12:09] <Squirm> what a day
[12:22] <charl> ja...
[12:22] <charl> hi Squirm
[12:22] <Kilos-> lovely day, everything is working
[12:23] <Kilos-> and 2 hour nap helped too
[12:24] <Kilos-> and clouds building up nicely to come storm tonight
[12:34] <Kilos> hahaha my fly, i did that today
[12:34] <Kilos> http://snyman.info/blog/2014/11/16/weekends
[12:37] <EvilDMP> Hello, I was speaking to to Joe_knock late last night, about http://python-namibia.org - you're all invited!
[12:37] <EvilDMP> hello Kilos
[12:37] <EvilDMP> and as I said, I'm still hopeful of finding someone who will run an Ubuntu install party for us
[12:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:54] <Kilos> sorry about that major wind killed the power
[12:54] <Kilos> EvilDMP:  how many of you are there?
[12:54] <Kilos> namibia is far from here
[12:55] <Kilos> but im sure any online help you need from here will help you guys do your own install party
[12:56] <Kilos> inetpro: daar kom iets, weet nog nie wat nie, water of klippe
[12:56] <EvilDMP> Kilos: we are expecting 80 people at the even, 40 of whom are UNAM students who have been reserved places - many of these students do not have the ideal equipment for participating in tutorials and so on (i.e. elderly Windows laptops) - so getting them onto something sensible, even in VMs, will be very helpful
[12:57] <gremble> Last time I was at an install party I was there for Archlinux, no one wanted to have the party :P
[12:57] <gremble> But I don't think anyone ended up having a 'party' just the talks followed by everyone bouncing
[12:57] <EvilDMP> surely Archlinux users are far too serious to have parties anyway
[12:57] <Kilos> lol
[12:58] <gremble> I party every day
[12:58] <gremble> Wait that is a lie
[12:59] <Kilos> EvilDMP: when you say elderly laptops what kind of specs are we looking at?
[13:00] <Kilos> 2.5g and up cpu with 2g ram or more is fine for ubuntu
[13:00] <gremble> Can probably bring it down even more with xubuntu
[13:00] <EvilDMP> Kilos: I wish I knew; it may well be that some of them will need to install lighter versions such as xubuntu
[13:00] <Kilos> they are all at least dual core right?
[13:01] <EvilDMP> Kilos: no idea whatsoever - I've been waiting to be furnished with some information by our contacts at UNAM
[13:01] <gremble> Prepare for the worst, expect the best
[13:02] <gremble> Have some lubuntu/xubuntu iso's at the ready
[13:02] <EvilDMP> I'm in the UK, so relying on a lot of 2nd-hand information
[13:02] <Kilos> aha
[13:03] <EvilDMP> I would have liked to go a week early and spend some time there before the conference, but my employer has been quite generous agreeing to my being there, so I don't want to push my luck
[13:04] <Kilos> well im not expert at this but will give what ideas i can for the needs
[13:04] <Kilos> quite a few people to download the complete repos
[13:04] <gremble> When is it EvilDMP ?
[13:04] <Kilos> others to download the fifferent versions
[13:04] <EvilDMP> 2nd to5t february
[13:04] <EvilDMP> 5th
[13:05] <Kilos> oh lots of time then
[13:05] <Kilos> different
[13:05] <gremble> Kilos: If I recally correctly, the University of Namibia hosts ubuntu repos
[13:05] <Kilos> then thats great
[13:05] <EvilDMP> really? How can I find this out?
[13:05] <Kilos> then its just bring and plugin
[13:06] <gremble> EvilDMP: looking for a link now
[13:06] <Kilos> Maaz: google unam ubuntu host
[13:06] <Maaz> Kilos: "Configure local virtual hosts on Ubuntu 13.10 - Zeronte" http://zeronte.com/148/ :: "Pruebas de penetración para principiantes: 5 herramientas para ..." http://revista.seguridad.unam.mx/numero-18/pruebas-de-penetraci%C3%B3n-para-principiantes-5-herramientas-para-empezar :: "Galileo Intel Parte 1 | CROFI - UNAM" http://www.ingenieria.unam.mx/crofi/?p=1552
[13:06] <Maaz> :: "Software y hardware para la comunidad - TIC - dgtic - UNAM" http://www.tic.unam.mx/sof…
[13:06] <Kilos> grrr
[13:07] <EvilDMP> Kilos: Yes, it's hard to search for UNAM....
[13:07] <Kilos> might be in update manager other
[13:08] <gremble> My bad
[13:08] <gremble> It is Polytechnic of Namibia
[13:08] <gremble> http://download.polytechnic.edu.na/
[13:08] <gremble> That is a web interface of the ftp repos
[13:10] <EvilDMP> thanks
[13:11] <EvilDMP> Chris Glass had been planning to help set up mirrors at UNAM too, but now he can't come
[13:12] <gremble> UP had repos, but then they decided to take them down
[13:16] <Kilos> methinks it dont matter where the repos are as long as a few peeps can download them to externals for upgarading purposes after installs
[13:16] <Kilos> upgrading
[13:17] <gremble> The more the better
[13:17] <Kilos> so its all the flavours to be downloaded  and the repos
[13:18] <Kilos> then students can bring their own usb sticks to get the flavour of choice
[13:18] <gremble> I don't think you need to download the repos
[13:19] <Kilos> might even be good to make a few 2g sticks with unetbootin
[13:19] <Kilos> it just makes it faster methinks gremble
[13:19] <Kilos> pc to external quicker than internet
[13:20] <gremble> Ubuntu already comes with a lot of use out of the box, not necessarily a need for them to install all the things right there
[13:20] <gremble> The repo's are quite big, so downloading all of it would be some wasted space
[13:21] <gremble> This wind is going to blow us away
[13:22] <Kilos> 40g methinks
[13:22] <Kilos> wind calming some now
[13:22] <gremble> That is quite large, for something that would become obsolete quite quickly
[13:23] <Kilos> ya
[13:23] <Kilos> thats why im sticking to lts
[13:23] <Kilos> only now elementaryos seems to only support for a year too
[13:23] <Kilos> ggrrrr
[13:25] <EvilDMP> We're still going to have to find someone who knows more about this stuff to lead the party, I'm certainly not in a position to do it effectively!
[13:27] <charl> hi EvilDMP
[13:28] <EvilDMP> hello charl
[13:29] <Kilos> EvilDMP: have you tried the lecturers at unam? maybe they have someone right there that can control and lead a large group like that
[13:30] <EvilDMP> They are our main contacts for this - but I get the sense that it's all very new to them too
[13:30] <Kilos> then you can just whisper in his ear what to do next
[13:30] <Kilos> hehe
[13:31] <Kilos> basically you need someone there with organization skill and leadership qualities then you can help with the techie stuff online
[13:32] <EvilDMP> Kilos: <dry laugh>
[13:32] <Kilos> installing ubuntu is so much easier than windows nowadays
[13:33] <EvilDMP> for example the thought of setting up a Linux VM on a Windows machine fills me with fear
[13:35] <Kilos> oh my
[13:36] <Kilos> are you usiny windows there now
[13:36] <Kilos> and mirc
[13:36] <Kilos> hehe
[13:39] <Kilos> so then its to get a few brave students to do it first and let then note what needs doing and then they can lead
[13:39] <Kilos> they are always welcome to come here for help
[13:40] <Kilos> the ubuntu live system explains things quite nicely, you install alongside windows
[13:41] <EvilDMP> Kilos: worse, I' use Debian/Ubuntu for servers only, Mac OS for the desktop and I've never used Windows
[13:48] <Kilos> lol thats good to know
[13:57] <Kilos> methinks a video with step by step instructions on how to install ubuntu alongside and with other options might be what them peeps need
[13:57] <gremble> Setting up a vm in windows is pretty easy
[13:57] <Kilos> isnt vm slower  installing alongside
[13:58] <Kilos> like virtualbox here is much slower than the main os
[13:58] <gremble> Yes it is
[13:58] <Kilos> so then its no good on older low spec machines
[13:59] <Kilos> better to install alongside
[14:01] <gremble> Better to install over
[14:02] <EvilDMP> definitely better to install over, but "Hello, welcome to the conference, we're going to wipe your computer" is a hard sell
[14:04] <gremble> Have them walk through a large magnetised door way. "Hello, I am afraid all of your electronic devices have been wiped clean"
[14:04] <Kilos> rofl
[14:04] <Kilos> clean install is good
[14:05] <Kilos> windows is usefull for using up bad areas in the beginning of drives though
[14:06] <gremble> Why not just leave the bad area's unpartitioned?
[14:07] <Kilos> ya i do that now but before installed windows to use it up
[14:07] <Kilos> partitioned but unused you mean
[15:11] <Kilos> hi z3r009
[15:23] <z3r009> hey man.
[16:05] <Kilos> wb Joe_knock
[16:05] <Joe_knock> Kilos: thanks
[16:05] <Joe_knock> hoegaanit?
[16:05] <Kilos> goed en jy dankie
[16:06] <Kilos> chatted to EvilDMP a bit
[16:06] <Joe_knock> eks goed. yeah, he wants someone to go to windhoek.
[16:06] <Kilos> we need peeps like the fly and maia to give advice on release parties, ive never been to one
[16:06] <Joe_knock> tickets must be expensive I think
[16:07] <Kilos> i think R1500 or so
[16:07] <Kilos> will ask sis she goes once a year to her daughter near there somewhere
[16:08] <Joe_knock> 1500 is not bad. But then again it could add up to around 5000 for lodging as well
[16:08] <Kilos> 1500 or 5k i forget
[16:09] <Joe_knock> 5k (including room for 2-3 nights)
[16:09] <Kilos> they must supply accomodation in the res or something
[16:09] <Joe_knock> wouldn't a hotel room be a decent gesture?
[16:09] <Kilos> if they pay ya
[16:10] <Joe_knock> I wouldn't mind going, I can also burn a few disks (get rid of some disks I have)
[16:12] <Kilos> ya disks be good and a pockets full of 2g sticks
[16:12] <Kilos> one should try collect them seeing as they arent making them anymore
[16:12] <Kilos> work great as install sticks
[16:13] <Kilos> or even when there get them to bring their own sticks
[16:13] <Joe_knock> to burn the ISOs onto their disks?
[16:14] <Kilos> then just format to mbr and unetbootin them
[16:14] <Joe_knock> I told EvilDMP that we can help them set it up remotely. I recall a Namib varsity having a mirror of the Ubuntu repo
[16:15] <Kilos> gremble: found this
[16:15] <Kilos> http://download.polytechnic.edu.na/
[16:15] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: the Polytechnic, it seems
[16:15] <EvilDMP> yus
[16:16] <Joe_knock> yep, I used to use it once upon a time, then it died
[16:16] <Kilos> you see you dont know at what level of competence they are
[16:16] <Kilos> so making binstall usb drives could take a while
[16:16] <Joe_knock> I find it strange that they dont have linux installed, especially if they're compsci students
[16:17] <EvilDMP> if we're able to get some more sponsorship, we might well be able to help pay at least some of the costs for an attendee to come here
[16:17] <Kilos> also vm on old lappies might not be a good idea
[16:17] <EvilDMP> but the whole thing's on a shoestring as you can imagine
[16:18] <Joe_knock> I think covering the cost of the flight is the main thing. staying in res is fine and maybe some chow/food will be nice :)
[16:18] <Kilos> hehe
[16:18] <EvilDMP> we're going to provide lunches and refreshments; evening meals *if we can*
[16:19] <EvilDMP> oh marvellous, I've just discovered that I was about to deploy a site running on a SQLite database
[16:19] <EvilDMP> narrow escape
[16:21] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: Are you a freelancer? Or rather, what work do you do?
[16:22] <EvilDMP> I work for http://divio.ch - I am a Django developer
[16:22] <Kilos> Joe_knock: sis says some specials if you book now for R1300 otherwise anything up to 5.8 k
[16:22] <EvilDMP> (Django is a Python-based web application framework)
[16:23] <EvilDMP> https://github.com/evildmp
[16:28] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: I think I've come across your company before. You guys do remote working, yes?
[16:30] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: Divio are pretty well known in the Python/Django communities - most of my colleagues are based in Zürich, but there are a bunch in Kiev, one in the USA, and me
[16:30] <Joe_knock> Did you manage to get some of them out of Kiev?
[16:31] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: they seem pretty happy there!
[16:32] <Joe_knock> hmmm I'm tempted to apply now EvilDMP
[16:32] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: they are a really nice company to work for
[16:32] <EvilDMP> what are your Python/Django skills like?
[16:33] <EvilDMP> I've been with them since July - before that I worked at Cardiff University School of Medicine
[16:34] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: I consider myself a junior, but I think I'm growing (a lot) in terms of self-taught skill. Not too sure if they want to take on remote juniors though
[16:35] <EvilDMP> it can't hurt to get in touch
[16:35] <Joe_knock> true :'D
[17:21] <Kilos> wbb
[17:42] <Joe_knock> wb
[18:29] <Kilos> oh my
[18:29] <Kilos> ty
[18:30] <Kilos> oh i added a drive
[18:30] <Kilos> forgot by now
[18:30] <Kilos> Joe_knock: ask maia or the fly what all you need to run a release party successfully
[18:30] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:31] <Kilos> i was just fitting sisters pc in its stand and doing all connections for her
[18:32] <Joe_knock> Kilos: I think we should rather find someone living in Namibia to do it. Getting a sponsor will be 'risking' it for the event.
[18:32] <Kilos> whew are there any ubuntu peeps there
[18:34] <Joe_knock> The event itself is for Python. Doesn't namib have a linux chapter?
[18:35] <Kilos> if they cover flight costs and supply accomodation and food then one only loses the time
[18:35] <Kilos> someone in between jobs maybe
[18:35] <Joe_knock> True, but it's a good experience to see Windhoek
[18:36] <superfly> ugh, Django
[18:38] <Kilos> hehe
[18:39] <Joe_knock> oom Kilos , million rand question. Women or Computers?
[18:40] <Kilos> can you expand on that?
[18:40] <Kilos> both is better
[18:40] <Kilos> one must keep in balance'
[18:40] <Joe_knock> :'D
[18:40] <Kilos> hehe
[18:40] <Joe_knock> let's try it this way...
[18:41] <Joe_knock> you're on a beach, stranded, but have enough food and water. Now there is a fibre cable available, so you need to choose between either having a powerful server-like PC/mainframe or a woman that is 23 and never gets old :P
[18:42] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:42] <Kilos> well
[18:42] <Kilos> you gotta sleep sometime and its nice to cuddle and le lepel
[18:43] <Kilos> and she can cook and catch fisk and other sea food while you on the pc
[18:43] <Kilos> so both is good
[18:45] <Kilos> id choose the pc then with that kind of connection you can arrange everything else and even build up a holiday resort
[18:45] <Joe_knock> lol
[18:45] <Joe_knock> tough choice ehh
[18:45] <Kilos> but 23 year old chicks nag a lot
[18:45] <Kilos> yeah
[18:46] <Joe_knock> lol, should I have said 23 year old who is only allowed the amount of words you speak in a day?
[18:46] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:48] <gremble> I am 23 and I don't even want to date a 23 y/o
[18:48] <gremble> >.>
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <gremble> They're ignorant, loud and obnoxious
[18:48] <Kilos> gremble: dont you know a varsity ubuntu person who wants to go do the nam release partry
[18:49] <Kilos> ubuntu peeps are normally a bit more grown up than other students
[18:49] <Kilos> maybe its the community spirit
[18:49] <gremble> I want to go. But I cannot afford a trip like that
[18:49] <gremble> :P
[18:50] <gremble> There isn't much of a linux community at UP (of which I am aware)
[18:50] <Kilos> so if they supply plane ticket and accommodation you would go?
[18:50] <gremble> Totally
[18:50] <Kilos> EvilDMP: ^^
[18:51] <EvilDMP> cool, thanks
[18:51] <EvilDMP> be warned, every bit of Python skill you have will be squeezed out and put into service for the conference
[18:52] <Kilos> is it a ubuntu release party?
[18:52] <gremble> Haha it is sort of a python thing too
[18:52] <Joe_knock> gremble: Did they remove the burnbox?
[18:52] <gremble> Yes Joe_knock
[18:52] <gremble> quite a while ago
[18:52] <EvilDMP> I will fire off another round of enquiries to potential sponsors tomorrow, because we need more funding if we're going to pay for more folks' travel
[18:53] <Joe_knock> Nobody looked after it and those obnoxious comp sci lecturers werent even bothered to ask anyone
[18:53] <gremble> They said it was broken, but we petitioned them to give it to us to fix and they ignored us
[18:53] <gremble> I don't like the department
[18:53] <gremble> I was doing comp sci, switched over to math
[18:54] <Kilos> burnbox = freedom toaster?
[18:55] <gremble> Yup
[18:55] <gremble> If I understood correctly
[18:55] <gremble> Unless it is some kind of medival torture device that they had there in Joe_knock's time
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <Joe_knock> EvilDMP: Here is a list: Praekelt, Amazon, Oracle,
[18:56] <Kilos> thats a shame though, i used it once
[18:56] <Joe_knock> gremble: ek is nie oud nie :O
[18:56] <Kilos> haha
[18:57] <gremble> Hahaha
[18:57] <Joe_knock> The only torture they had was COS110 and COS121
[18:57] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: wow, I almost understand Dutch and now I almost understand Afrikaans
[18:57] <EvilDMP> thanks for the list
[18:57] <gremble> 121 was actually very enlightening. I hated the subject while I had it, now it is fine
[18:57] <gremble> I can see that stuff making sense
[18:57] <Joe_knock> I can actually find a ton more companies, but I think it will be unethical to troll the mailing list for sponsors :/
[18:58] <EvilDMP> I've previously emailed Paelkelt
[18:59] <EvilDMP> no reply though
[19:02] <Joe_knock> Simon works there, did he tell you?
[19:06] <Kilos> EvilDMP: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-na/
[19:06] <EvilDMP> Joe_knock: ha, no, I didn't know that, I shall redouble my efforts
[19:06] <EvilDMP> Kilos: thanks
[19:06] <Joe_knock> oom Kilos to the rescue!
[19:07] <Kilos> Maaz: google hopefully they have someone close by
[19:07] <Maaz> Kilos: "wiki Guide on How to Comfort Someone Who Lost a Loved One" http://www.wikihow.com/Comfort-Someone-Who-Lost-a-Loved-One :: "How to Comfort Someone When There is Nothing You Can Offer ..." http://www.wikihow.com/Comfort-Someone-When-There-is-Nothing-You-Can-Offer-Except-Solace :: "How do you tell someone they have bad breath? - Yahoo Answers"
[19:07] <Maaz> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100629105848AAoTCyo :: "How To Talk To Sick People (Stop s…
[19:07] <Kilos> ai!
[19:07] <Joe_knock> :/
[19:08] <Kilos> i got mixed up from using another bot on my channel and them wanting to ask maaz something else
[19:08] <gremble> I think maaz is trying to tell us something
[19:08] <Kilos> hopefully they have someone close by was meant for the na community
[19:09] <Joe_knock> ;) ;)
[19:09] <Kilos> hehe
[19:09] <Kilos> im too old for this
[19:09] <Joe_knock> oom jy moet na meetup.com kyk vir "over 40 singles" :P
[19:09] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:10] <Kilos> no man im past the stage of looking for dates
[19:11] <Joe_knock> oom you're suppose to inspire us. gremble is amongst die mooi Pretoria meisies maar hy kyk nie vir hulle nie
[19:11] <Kilos> dan is hy dommer as ek want ek kyk nog
[19:11] <Joe_knock> lol
[19:11] <Joe_knock> :'D
[19:12] <Kilos> nothing nicer to look at that a beautiful chick
[19:12] <Kilos> unless its a super fast gaming pc
[19:16] <Kilos> wb charl
[19:17] <charl> thanks Kilos
[19:17] <charl> using weechat now
[19:17] <Kilos> haha
[19:17] <Kilos> im hooked on konversation
[19:18] <charl> yeah somebody finally made me upgrade from irssi
[19:18] <charl> irssi is not really under active development and we need something better
[19:19] <gremble> Look but don't touch
[19:19] <Kilos> konversation xchat hexchat quassel
[19:22] <charl> Kilos: sounds like lyrics to salsa tequila
[19:22] <charl> just throw in random words and make a summer hit
[19:23] <Kilos> lol
[19:23] <Kilos> weechat aint bad
[19:23] <Kilos> hassle to use the curses thing to start it though
[19:24] <charl> curses thing? you just start it using the weechat command inside a terminal
[19:24] <charl> i run it inside tmux running on raspberry pi
[19:24] <Kilos> ya i think i used to have to use weechat=curses
[19:24] <Kilos> weechat-curses
[19:25] <Kilos> not so?
[19:25] <charl> true, in the older versions yes
[19:25] <charl> but i am using the latest 1.0.1
[19:25] <charl> hi gremble
[19:25] <charl> i am very impressed this is a big step-up from irssi
[19:25] <Kilos> ah
[19:26] <gremble> Hey charl
[19:32] <gremble> I am going to go pass out now
[19:32] <gremble> Cheers guys. Talk to you tomorrow
[19:34] <Kilos> sleep tight gremble
[19:37] <Joe_knock> tc
[19:44] <Kilos> whats that mean Joe_knock ?
[19:45] <Kilos> bushtech: sus se pc is n sukses, werk soos n droom
[19:45] <Joe_knock> take care.
[19:45] <Joe_knock> vir gremble
[19:46] <Kilos> oh
[19:46] <Kilos> all these little things get me lost
[19:46] <Kilos> took a while to get used to wb
[19:47] <Joe_knock> iirc = if i recall correctly
[19:47] <Joe_knock> imo = in my opinion
[19:47] <Kilos> ya i asked about that a couple of times too hehe
[19:48] <Kilos> its remembering that takes a while
[19:48] <Kilos> my ram is very random
[19:48] <charl> lol
[19:49] <charl> so how is it this fine evening
[19:49] <Kilos> all good here , and there?
[19:49] <charl> good good
[19:57] <bushtech> Kilos,  wel done!
[19:57] <Kilos> ty horrible job though to do all that work then install xp
[19:57] <Kilos> hehe
[20:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[00:00] <James147> nymphaeaceae: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Lists  might be of intreast
[00:01] <James147> (and I might be mixing up c and bash abit in my explnations :D  )
[00:01] <nymphaeaceae> nah.. that looks like it involves reading..
[00:03] <James147> its only that one section, not too long :)
[00:03] <nymphaeaceae> meh..
[00:08] <nymphaeaceae> good lord this is taking forever..
[00:10] <James147> nymphaeaceae: you are basically having to download all of kde :S
[00:10] <nymphaeaceae> oh
[00:10] <nymphaeaceae> that explains that
[00:10] <James147> (execpt maby the icons...)
[00:14] <nymphaeaceae> should I replace configuration files?
[00:14] <James147> nymphaeaceae: if you havent modified them
[00:15] <nymphaeaceae> it's been modified by either myself or a script since installation..
[00:15] <nymphaeaceae> so no then?
[00:15] <James147> nymphaeaceae: ... I would say yes, unless you ahve explictly modified themy yourself
[00:16] <nymphaeaceae> if I loose something I like.. I'll be very cross...
[00:16] <nymphaeaceae> ^_^
[00:16] <James147> (or say yes, note the files, and reapply the changes you made)
[00:16] <James147> nymphaeaceae: :) well what file is it asking to be replaced?
[00:17] <nymphaeaceae> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[00:17] <nymphaeaceae> grrr,,,
[00:17] <nymphaeaceae> /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc
[00:18] <BluesKaj> that's a standard choice when upgrading, nymphaeaceae , it shouldn't harm your upgrade
[00:18] <nymphaeaceae> so yes, then?
[00:18] <James147> thats only the login screen, I generally replace that one when it asks me :)  you can reapply changes via system settings > login screen  if you made any (if not then you wont really notice anything)
[00:19] <nymphaeaceae> so if I have a custom one I have to reapply it, that mostly it?
[00:19] <BluesKaj> however if you have ppas then they may be out of date after your upgrade
[00:19] <nymphaeaceae> login and boots?
[00:19] <nymphaeaceae> eep?
[00:20] <James147> nymphaeaceae: you might have to reapply a theme (the themes wont be removed)... cant remeber if i actually had to do taht or not though...
[00:21] <nymphaeaceae> oh.. ok..
[00:21] <James147> nymphaeaceae: yeah, looking at it, it seems to store the settings you can edit via system settings > login manager
[00:21] <James147> nymphaeaceae: shouldnt really make much different if you say yes or no if you havnt changed anything there
[00:22] <nymphaeaceae> only have a custom login screen and following boot-page
[00:23] <James147> nymphaeaceae: then its up to you if you want to replace it or not :)
[00:23] <nymphaeaceae> might as well..
[00:27] <nymphaeaceae> well.. gonna let things sit, head home, and see what needs re-customizing..
[00:39] <detoya> has anyone else had problems with the recent kernel causing really bad swap behaviour?
[00:40] <detoya> I get OOM constantly on a machine with 4G of ram and 9G of swap
[00:42] <detoya> I get stuff like this on dmesg:
[00:42] <detoya> [285986.903893] iwlagn 0000:02:00.0: Failed to allocate SKB buffer with GFP_ATOMIC. Only 0 free buffers remaining.
[00:42] <detoya> [285986.910855] chromium-browse: page allocation failure. order:2, mode:0x4020
[00:42] <detoya> [285986.910861] Pid: 3992, comm: chromium-browse Not tainted 2.6.32-24-generic #41-Ubuntu
[00:42] <detoya> [
[00:42] <FloodBotK2> detoya: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:45] <Matisse> hi
[03:46] <Matisse> why is kubuntu running portmap by default?
[03:50] <Matisse> I'm reading the Linux Security HOWTO, and a thumb rule says: if you dont know the service, then its not needed
[03:50] <Matisse> aka security risk
[04:06] <Kage> According to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB I need to add myself to the vboxusers group, but this group does not exist <.<
[04:15] <Matisse> Kage, what happens if you type groups?
[04:15] <Kage> chuck@fate:~$ groups
[04:15] <Kage> chuck adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[04:19] <Matisse> and   grep vbox /etc/group    does nothing?
[04:19] <Kage> Ah, I see the problem: Note: Only the non-free version has USB support at present.
[04:19] <Kage> I have the OSE
[04:21] <Kage> Kinda sucks.... meh
[04:22] <Matisse> it doesnt sound like its important. just use usb outside the box
[04:24] <Kage> Matisse: I am experimenting with creating USB bootable drives
[04:24] <Kage> <.<
[04:24] <Matisse> ah, ok
[04:25] <Kage> Sleeping pills are working faster then I thought they would
[04:25] <Kage> I feel like I might pass out any seconds
[04:26] <Kage> Getting harder to hit the right keys...
[04:26] <Kage> must.... hold.... on....
[04:26] <Matisse> lol
[04:26] <Matisse> good night
[04:27] <Kage> I have to install vbox...
[04:27] <Kage> must reach goal!
[04:27] <Kage> frack... had to type in my sudo password 3 times
[04:27] <Kage> to get it
[04:28] <Matisse> woaahh
[04:28] <Matisse> hold on
[04:28] <Matisse> you need sleep :D
[04:28] <Matisse> like me
[04:29] <Matisse> so anyway, good night, i'll enjoy the darkness now
[04:29] <Matisse> and good luck ;)
[04:37] <yvonne> question: can i have both the Kubuntu and Kubuntu netbook environments and just choose between them at login like i can between Ubuntu/Ubuntu-netbook?  I tried installing both but i only get one choice on the login, kubuntu-netbook
[04:39] <yvonne> and it is simply labeled "kde"
[04:48] <yvonne> so in other words, i want two entries on the login that allow me to choose between the regular kubuntu desktop and kubuntu-netbook.  anyone have an idea how to?
[05:15] <seba> sorry ... what is the Ubuntu channel?
[06:00] <Pavel_10> Can anyone help me with a partitioning question?
[06:02] <Pavel_10> I'm wondering if I can install a netbook remix on a really small partition to simulate how it might run on a limited processor
[06:12] <erigais_> i think you can do it with wubi
[06:13] <erigais_> netbook is an option and it gives you the size, so you should see if the partition size you want is available in the drop down list for GB
[06:21] <damian__> Hi
[06:21] <anirudh> guys. I have an 80 gb partition. Im not able to use it. It shows up on dolphin but its mounted in /media . How do I use it?
[06:22] <damian__> did you mount it manually?
[06:22] <anirudh> Created it while installing kubuntu
[06:22] <anirudh> im able to access it via konsole and modify it
[06:24] <damian__> so you told kubuntu install dialog to mount it for you?
[06:24] <anirudh> yes
[06:24] <damian__> mmmm
[06:25] <damian__> what you want is the partition to apppear in dolphin's side panel?
[06:26] <anirudh> it appears there. but there is a single directory called lost+found and im not able to create files/folders etc
[06:26] <damian__> what format is the partition?
[06:27] <anirudh> I dont remember.
[06:27] <anirudh> Most probably ext4.
[06:28] <damian__> could you give me the output
[06:28] <anirudh> Small chances of ext3 or fat32 or ntfs.
[06:28] <anirudh> Wait ill check
[06:28] <damian__> of df -h
[06:28] <damian__> the message got broken :P
[06:28] <damian__> I meant the output of df -h
[06:29] <anirudh> http://pastebin.ca/1941876
[06:30] <anirudh> dev/sda7
[06:31] <damian__> is sda7 the partition you are trying to access?
[06:32] <anirudh> yes
[06:32] <damian__> it seems to be almost empty does it have something?
[06:32] <anirudh> an empty folder lsot + found
[06:33] <damian__> can you see this partition in dolphin side panel?
[06:34] <anirudh> http://pastebin.ca/1941877 this output comes if i try to open it in konsole.
[06:34] <damian__> that's ok
[06:34] <damian__> lost+found is something of ext
[06:34] <anirudh> I can see the partition  but it does not allow me to create files, folders or modify it
[06:35] <damian__> it's normal, I never new why it's actually there
[06:35] <damian__> have you tried in konsole?
[06:36] <anirudh> i can create some folders
[06:36] <damian__> ?
[06:36] <anirudh> with root permission
[06:36] <anirudh> in /media/dev
[06:36] <damian__> oh
[06:37] <damian__> ok
[06:37] <damian__> I think you have to change a few things in /etc/fstab
[06:37] <damian__> look for the line that says /dev/sda7
[06:38] <anirudh> ok. Another problem. im not able to save text files in that partition
[06:39] <anirudh> theres nothing about sda7 in fstab. that could be the problem?
[06:39] <anirudh> sorry there is a line
[06:40] <damian__> are you sure? if it's automatically mounted at boot it should be there
[06:40] <damian__> ok
[06:40] <damian__> no problem
[06:40] <anirudh> http://pastebin.ca/1941879
[06:40] <damian__> I remember having that problem
[06:41] <damian__> I fixed it by adding UUID=something option
[06:41] <damian__> I'll search it
[06:42] <anirudh> ok
[06:42] <damian__> try changing /dev/sda7 permissions
[06:43] <damian__> something like chmod 0777 /dev/sda7
[06:43] <damian__> and also /media/dev
[06:43] <damian__> maybe that should do,now I remember that UUID thing was with a fat partition
[06:45] <anirudh> i tried remounting it. didnt work.
[06:45] <anirudh> ill try this
[06:47] <anirudh> i can create folders without root access. but i still cant create and save files
[06:48] <damian__> that's weird
[06:48] <anirudh> funny thing is
[06:48] <damian__> did you changed permissions?
[06:48] <anirudh> i can do it in dolphin
[06:48] <damian__> haha
[06:48] <anirudh> yep! thank you. its working on dolphin
[06:48] <Lord_Drachenblut> anirudh: is this a thumb drive formated as ext2 or something like that?
[06:48] <damian__> no prob
[06:48] <anirudh> Lord_Drachenblut: no. Hard disk partition. ext4
[06:49] <damian__> does anyone know what is the planned multimedia player for maverik?
[06:49] <damian__> or at leat what comes with the betas
[06:49] <Lord_Drachenblut> does the user have permission to the disk
[06:52] <anirudh> Lord_Drachenblut: yep! i now fixed the problem! Thank you!
[06:53] <Lord_Drachenblut> anirudh: I ran into that same problem with thumb drives before
[06:54] <damian__> has anyone tried maverik betas?
[06:54] <Lord_Drachenblut> damian__: not yet
[06:55] <damian__> I wanted to know about the situacion of the multimedia player
[06:55] <damian__> in the brainstorm page some people talk about vlc
[06:55] <anirudh> damian__: not yet. But I dont think they are changing media players in kubuntu. only for xubuntu. But pulseaudio will be sound driver in kubuntu
[06:56] <anirudh> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Beta/Kubuntu
[06:56] <damian__> so they are keeping dragon with xine?
[06:57] <damian__> maybe they should use vlc backend, I heard good things about it
[06:57] <anirudh> There are some rumours of that.
[06:57] <anirudh> Im not sure about ubuntu-gnome
[06:58] <damian__> yeah but I'm talking about phonon backend
[06:59] <damian__> new betas look awesome, I hope they work better too
[07:04] <Lord_Drachenblut> i think there are some potential issues shipping with vlc as the backend
[07:15] <Realmkeeper> Is the kubuntu.org page suppose to just show "OK" with nothing else?
[07:17] <frogonwheels> Realmkeeper: nope - shows plenty for me
[07:27] <Realmkeeper> frogonwheels: kubuntu.org.png will show just "OK", yet, kubuntu.org/news will show a normal page.
[07:28] <Realmkeeper> frogonwheels: The two images are here for you to see: http://realmkeeper.com/public_folder/
[07:29] <Realmkeeper> frogonwheels: Happens both in Firefox and in Konqueror for me.
[07:49] <Realmkeeper> frogonwheels: The main page comes up now.
[09:16] <noaXess> hey all
[09:17] <noaXess> kwin and xorg process need about 20% cpu, each.... havea nvidia grafic.. and that problem is since i upgraded to kde 4.5 and 4.5.1
[09:17] <noaXess> any idea to fix that?
[09:18] <zegenie> noaXess: It's a common issue
[09:18] <noaXess> zegenie: from kde?
[09:18] <zegenie> there's a partial "fix" coming in 4.5.2, but the real issue is in the nvidia drivers
[09:18] <noaXess> is there a workaround until it is fixed?
[09:19] <zegenie> yes
[09:19] <zegenie> hang on
[09:19] <noaXess> zegenie: when will 4.5.2 be released and packaged for kubuntu? and still in beta ppa or in main repo of kunbuntu?
[09:19] <zegenie> there is a (somewhat experimental) script / mini-program you can download that will update a component in kde with some fixes that will be available in 4.5.2
[09:20] <noaXess> can wait.. but work is hard..
[09:20] <zegenie> service relesaes like 4.5.1 and 4.5.2 are released about every month
[09:20] <noaXess> is kde 4.5.1 in kubuntu ppa still beta?
[09:20] <zegenie> no, it's the final 4.5.1
[09:20] <noaXess> zegenie: ah ok.. so wait until october ;)
[09:20] <zegenie> (as long as you get it from backports)
[09:21] <noaXess> zegenie: i have it from backports.. it's only availabe ther, right?
[09:21] <zegenie> you can wait until october, or try the nouveau drivers (instead of the nvidia-provided ones)
[09:21] <zegenie> they do release test versions in other repositories like their beta repository, but if you have backports, it's 4.5.1-kubuntu final
[09:21] <noaXess> zegenie: hm... have two monitors on my notebook.. primary internal and an external hdmi.. does that work in nv driver?
[09:22] <zegenie> nv driver is outdated and not working very well
[09:22] <noaXess> is nv not= nouveau?
[09:22] <zegenie> you will want to use the new nouveau driver
[09:22] <zegenie> nope
[09:22] <noaXess> aha.. ok..
[09:22] <zegenie> nv = NVidias own open driver
[09:22] <zegenie> nouveau = open driver developed by the community
[09:22] <noaXess> hm.. but the no effects an such things
[09:22] <zegenie> that's an issue with both nv and nouveau, unfortunately
[09:23] <zegenie> although, nouveau is better in that regard as it allows you to run basic desktop effects through xrender
[09:23] <zegenie> it's easy to try though, and if it doesn't work you can easily switch back to the nvidia one
[09:23] <noaXess> zegenie: if i now switch to nouveau, i need some work to get it runing, right? or just install the driver?
[09:23] <zegenie> and then you can always wait for 4.5.2 :)
[09:24] <noaXess> whats the package name?
[09:24] <noaXess> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[09:24] <zegenie> the nouveau driver is usually installed if you have an nvidia graphics chipset (it tends to autodetect that stuff)
[09:24] <zegenie> otherwise it's the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package yes
[09:24] <noaXess> Installed: 1:0.0.15+git20100219+9b4118d-0ubuntu5
[09:24] <zegenie> are you familiar with the console?
[09:24] <noaXess> yes..
[09:24] <zegenie> cool
[09:24] <zegenie> make a backup of your xorg.conf file
[09:24] <noaXess> zegenie: so just change the xorg.conf
[09:25] <zegenie> in the console, type "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup"
[09:25] <zegenie> then "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[09:25] <zegenie> that will remove the configuration file, as it is not really needed for the nouveau driver
[09:26] <zegenie> then you should uninstall the nvidia driver, which is usually a matter of running "sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current"
[09:26] <noaXess> zegenie: and how to setup the external monitor?
[09:26] <zegenie> that can be done via KDEs monitor configuration
[09:26] <zegenie> system settings -> display and monitor
[09:26] <noaXess> zegenie: and nvidia needs to really be removed?
[09:27] <zegenie> nvidia doesn't support that, so you are probably used to using nvidias own nvidia-settings to configure that stuff
[09:27] <zegenie> kdes monitor/display config utility is very similar and shouldn't be very hard to figure out
[09:27] <zegenie> yes, nvidia drivers needs to be removed, because they will load automatically otherwise and in general conflict with loading nouveau
[09:28] <noaXess> so.. remove xorg.conf, nvidia-current.. and restart.. .. will give it a try..
[09:28] <noaXess> if it doesnt work, i just need to install nvidia-current and restore xorg.con
[09:28] <noaXess> f
[09:28] <zegenie> if something goes wrong (your display doesn't start properly, display is garbled, etc), you should boot into "root recovery console" and do "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current && sudo cp ~/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/"
[09:28] <zegenie> oui
[09:28] <noaXess> jepi..
[09:28] <zegenie> also, when KDE then restarts, desktop effects will be disabled
[09:29] <zegenie> I'll tell you how to re-enable them when you get there :)
[09:29] <noaXess> ok.. and... rebooot
[09:29] <zegenie> good luck :)
[09:29] <noaXess> zegenie: i know that.. cause. i'm familiar in console.. and such basic config scripts, files...
[09:30] <zegenie> cool
[09:30] <zegenie> you never know, better to have mentioned it once than to be sorry later ;)
[09:30] <zegenie> I'm actually logging out / in myself because of that pre-4.5.2 nvidia fix
[09:30] <zegenie> brb :)
[09:36] <zegenie> noaXess: welcome back
[09:36] <zegenie> how's the status? :)
[09:37] <noaXess> hehe.. strange display. now.. wrong resolution.. but i'm configuring it.. and mirrored display ;)
[09:37] <zegenie> yeah, that's to be expected
[09:37] <zegenie> nouveau has its own quirks, so whether you like it better than nvidia "official" is a just a matter of personal pref
[09:38] <zegenie> and, of course, hardware ;
[09:38] <noaXess> tataaaa.. work.. :)
[09:38] <zegenie> so, basically, leaving things as they are now (no desktop effects) is probably the "fastest" you'll get
[09:39] <zegenie> desktop effects may or may not improve / smooth things out, so whether you want to run with it, you'll have to try and see
[09:39] <zegenie> system settings -> desktop effects -> "Advanced" tab
[09:39] <zegenie> there's a dropdown that says "opengl" and "xrender", change it to xrender and apply
[09:40] <zegenie> then go back to the "General" tab and press suspend / resume compositing a few times (sometimes it doesn't detect whether it's suspended or not) until you're happy
[09:40] <zegenie> an issue with nouveau / xrender is that many effects won't work, such as blur, cover switch, desktop cube, etc
[09:40] <zegenie> but you'll get shadows, transparency and some other basic effects
[09:41] <zegenie> also, xrender animations tends to be a bit slow, so you'll want to change the animations speed in the "General" tab to something faster than "Normal" ;)
[09:49] <noaXess> zegenie: have switched back to nvidia.. i love effects ;)..
[09:49] <noaXess> so.. wait for 4.5.2
[09:59] <zegenie> noaXess: allright :)
[10:12] <noaXess> anybody know how to configure my touchpad on my notebook? is there any tool yet?
[10:17] <Mamarok> noaXess: IIRC you need to add an additional package
[10:17] <noaXess> Mamarok: hey..
[10:18] <noaXess> Mamarok: and which one?
[10:18] <Mamarok> kcm-touchpad. If you search with 'aptitude search touchpad' you can find that yourself :)
[10:29] <noaXess> Mamarok: and configure it over systemsettings / input devices/ toucpad? but i can't.. its disabled..
[10:30] <noaXess> Touchpad Name: device not found
[10:31] <Mamarok> noaXess: check your laptop function keys, it might be disabled
[10:31] <noaXess> no
[10:31] <Mamarok> noaXess: try restarting KDE (logout and log in again)
[10:31] <noaXess> the laptop shoortcut doesn't work to enable/disable it
[10:31] <noaXess> have done that allready
[10:32] <noaXess> is it an usb device?
[10:47] <ultralinux> hola buenas
[10:52] <Mamarok> noaXess: then I don't know, the particual brand just might not be known. Did you check the manufacturer support website?
[10:52] <Mamarok> particular*
[10:52] <noaXess> Mamarok: not yet.. for the moment i disable the touch pad over a command.. rmmod psmouse
[10:53] <Mamarok> noaXess: well, that is usually always the first step with hardware problems
[10:54] <noaXess> Mamarok: i know.. but i normally use a external usb mouse.. and don't use the touchpad often..
[10:54] <noaXess> hm.. how can i find out information about my touchpad?
[10:55] <Mamarok> noaXess: I just told you, search the manufacturer's website
[10:55] <Mamarok> and use google :)
[10:55] <noaXess> Mamarok: i mean.. is it normally an usb device?
[10:55] <noaXess> so it should be listed with lsusb.. right?
[10:57] <Mamarok> noaXess: no, why? a touchpad is built-in, not connected through USB
[10:57] <Mamarok> lspci should list it
[10:57] <noaXess> Mamarok: i know.... anyway.. will check google later
[10:58] <Mamarok> and you know the brand of your laptop, no?
[10:58] <noaXess> Mamarok: i know all.. but now.. lunchtime. bbs..
[11:03] <GuiToris> hello, i know the gnome standard partitionprogram is the Gparted, but what is the KDE's version?
[11:10] <Mamarok> patience...
[11:29] <daeron_> hi everybody
[11:30] <daeron_> i've got a trouble with kontact 4.4.5
[11:30] <daeron_> i can't send email
[11:30] <daeron_> with every specific domain (i mean google, yahoo, live.com etc etc)
[11:30] <daeron_> anyone may help me?
[12:19] <52AACCA65> ey, the fucking kate won't handle my tab correctly. once he does use spaces, but i dont have selectet "use space insteat of tab" !!
[12:24] <noaXess> zegenie_: hey.. you have wrote, that there is a script to fix the kwin/xorg problem in kde 4.5.1, you know where to get this script?
[12:26] <ulysses> hey guys, Dolphin can't copy from a SFTP server, I start the copy, but the progress bar stucks and nothing happens, there isn't any single downloaded bit… Any idea?
[12:26] <ulysses> Oh, system is Kubuntu 10.04.1 with KDE 4.4.2
[12:32] <zegenie_> noaXess: http://hugo-kde.blogspot.com/2010/09/performance-issues-one-script-and-call.html
[14:24] <slow-motion> hi
[14:30] <Aray> Hi Everyone
[14:31] <Aray> Need your help in solving an issue with Kwin. I am on kubuntu 10.10 / kde 4.5.1
[14:31] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[14:31] <Aray> The problem is desktop getting freezed at times. Since last 2-3 days this has happened 4 times.
[14:31] <Aray> I am on intel driver.
[14:31] <Aray> Can I do something to avoid this freeze?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Aray, best to ask in #ubuntu+1 , it's the dev chat
[14:32] <Aray> @BlueKaj - Thanks for the channel.
[14:33] <Aray> Hi Everyone!!
[15:08] <hsaliak> hi, in KDE SC 4.5, when i install webkitkde and set it as default for konqueror, i notice that it stalls for about a minute when loading heavy java script ( gmail  etc) . I also see the same behaviour with rekonq and arora, anyone experienced the same before?
[15:37] <FlashDeluxe> Hi! I have a RAID 1 with mdadm and one of the disks got a headcrash, now the system doesn`t boot with the second disk :( What do i have to do, to make it boot?
[15:48] <noaXess> switched to nouveau display driver. and setup display's in systemsettings... but the settings will no be saved.. on reboot, they're gone..
[16:07] <evdvelde> hi all, i am thinking of switching from arch linux to kubutnu (back). How is the support for a macbook pro 3.1?
[16:08] <evdvelde> and next thing: i like my software to be very up2date (hence arch linux :-) ), but since the kubuntu ppa seems to be very good and up2date, i am switching back... are there other things/tips you could say about staying up2date in a safe way? :)
[16:08] <miri> hallo zusammen
[16:09] <miri> bin neu hier habe ubuntu und möchte videos schauen und das geht net schnief kannn mir  jemand helfen
[16:09] <rork> !de | miri
[16:09] <James147> evdvelde: using the backports ppa helps (note that kubuntu dosnt update major version of programs during a release, although some of them get added to the packports ppa)
[16:10] <miri> hallo bin ich hier richtig
[16:10] <James147> evdvelde: (ie by default, lucid is still on 4.4.2, but the backports conatins 4.5.1)
[16:10] <James147> ^^ of kde that is)
[16:11] <evdvelde> James147: i think the most important for me is the kde suite, and that seems to stay quite up2date in the kubuntu kde ppa, other software including wine, vlc has its own ppa's if i like (heard from a colleague)... and i could care less about system stuff
[16:11] <rork> miri: nein, wenn du deutch reden sollen must ihr #kubuntu-de besuchen, in dieser knal wird nur english gesprochen
[16:11] <evdvelde> i like to see the new shiny stuff, libraries and compilers are not that important :)
[16:11] <miri> ok
[16:11] <evdvelde> in fact, when developing, it is not always fun to have the latest gcc and be the first to find the new errors :)
[16:12] <EvilRoey> hey all
[16:12] <EvilRoey> Ash-Fox:  hola
[16:12] <EvilRoey> I'm starting to use KDE SC Activities, find it all well and good; the thing is, tasks from other activities clutter up my task manager.  I think the Task Manager should have a checkbox to [x] show only tasks from current Activity (it already can filter based on desktop or screen)... what's your opinion?
[16:12] <James147> evdvelde: well, kde is availble in the backports (well, untill the next version of kubuntu is released, lucid wont get kde 4.6 as far as I know, but maverick will be out then and will get it when kde 4.6 is released) and the wine team have a ppa on their site for newer version of wine
[16:13] <evdvelde> James147: thanks for the info, now i just need a bit of time to install it... exciting, sailed by ubuntu once, just before arch linux, curious about what i shall think of it now :)
[16:13] <EvilRoey> James147:  how are you saying that Maverick will contain KDE 4.6?  I thought Maverick is out this October, while KDE SC 4.6 is due later this coming January
[16:14] <EvilRoey> evdvelde:  use kubuntu hehehe it's better
[16:14] <evdvelde> EvilRoey: i think he means it will come in maverick-backports
[16:14] <James147> EvilRoey: sorry, I ment maverick will get kde 4.6 in its backports when kde 4.6 is out, it will use kde 4.5 by default
[16:14] <EvilRoey> ohhhh got it
[16:14] <evdvelde> EvilRoey: experience with arch too?
[16:14] <EvilRoey> nein
[16:14] <evdvelde> so how do you know :p
[16:14] <EvilRoey> Red Hat (early '98), then Debian ever since and recently Kubuntu
[16:14] <EvilRoey> evdvelde:  oh I meant that kde > gnome
[16:15] <EvilRoey> so it follows logically that kubuntu > ubuntu
[16:15] <evdvelde> EvilRoey: definetley, used kubuntu then as well, but i think it is the same
[16:15] <EvilRoey> :)
[16:15] <evdvelde> EvilRoey: i think it is a pity in fact that they have different sites and such... instead of just a switch in the installer... but that is me :)
[16:15] <James147> EvilRoey: btw, are you talking about activities, or virtual desktops (its the virtual desktops that hold the programs, activites hole the widgets)
[16:16] <EvilRoey> activities
[16:17] <James147> EvilRoey: also, there is a checkbox to only show application from the curren desktop (as well as current screen) in the task managers settings (right click and empty part of the task manager > task manager settings... note that on kde 4.4 you need to close windows untill there is a blank part of the task manager you can click)
[16:17] <EvilRoey> for me, if I switch to a different activity, I (personally) don't want to see windows from other activities
[16:17] <alvin> evdvelde: I'm curious. I never used arch. Why are you abandoning it?
[16:17] <EvilRoey> James147:  well I have that checked, too
[16:17] <EvilRoey> James147:  but I want to show only tasks from the current Activity
[16:17] <James147> EvilRoey: ... windows arent assiciated with activities, they are assosicated with virtual desktops, activities only hold widgets/backgrounds
[16:18] <evdvelde> alvin: oh well, it is not that i am really against it... i love it and i learned a lot. But i like to try different things and occasionally, the DIY style of arch is not that fun... I am a computer scientist, but working with computers does not have to be hard for me all the time :)
[16:18] <James147> EvilRoey: you cant since they dont work taht way,
[16:19] <alvin> evdvelde: ok, thanks. I was thinking myself of switching to arch.
[16:19] <EvilRoey> James147:  activities are not useful for my needs then
[16:19] <James147> EvilRoey: windows get placed on different virtual desktops, they dont care at all what activity is active,
[16:19] <James147> EvilRoey: its virtual desktops you want to look at
[16:19] <evdvelde> alvin: e.g. you can install grub2 on arch, but it is less straight-forward, cups is a bit harder at first...
[16:19] <EvilRoey> James147:  see, I see an Activity as adding a new dimension along which I can organize my workflow
[16:20] <EvilRoey> James147:  but I see what you are saying
[16:20] <evdvelde> alvin: but i recommend you try it and see for yourself... it is true that you learn more by using arch while *buntu is holding your hand more often :)
[16:20] <James147> EvilRoey: it is, for widgets... activities act like virtual desktops for widgets (not windows, since they already ahve virtual desktops)
[16:20] <alvin> I'll not miss a beta version of grub :-) That might just be a reason to switch.
[16:20] <evdvelde> alvin: true, but i was trying that one for a project of mine, otherwise, i dont care about bootloaders anyway as long as they load my system :)
[16:21] <alvin> Oh, it doesn't have to be DIY for me. I choose Kubuntu because I have to support a *lot* of computers. Gentoo, my former love, wasn't the easiest distro to do that.
[16:21] <EvilRoey> James147:  hmm, since I don't use widgets....
[16:21] <evdvelde> I hate gentoo alvin ;-) that is not completely true but i just always found it to be useless to compile everything, a waste of time
[16:21] <alvin> evdvelde: That's the case. Since Jaunty I've had so many boot issues on so many machines that it really is not funny anymore. I've had a whole network (with same nics) that still have issues to bring their eth0 up in Lucid.
[16:23] <alvin> I was thinking about debian, so I won't have to adapt that much, but I also want the latest KDE and now that Maverick promises good Kolab support I think I'll stay a while longer and see.
[16:23] <evdvelde> alvin: that is not fun indeed... any solutions in sight?
[16:23] <evdvelde> alvin: debian is just old shit ;)
[16:23] <alvin> Not for the moment. The bug was marked as fixed :-( But all nics have had their mac addresses changed by Lucid.
[16:24] <evdvelde> alvin: another reason for switching for me: i have to support some ubuntu servers, an ubuntu testbed and my parents who started using ubuntu on my call recently :D (all with a K of course ;) )
[16:24] <James147> EvilRoey: then you dont really ahve a need for activities (although you still use widgets... the panel is covered by them :D .. assuming you still have a panel)
[16:26] <evdvelde> alvin: if you need support with that, perhaps i can help... been there too
[16:26] <alvin> Yeah, I do have to support some servers also.... boot issues are better, but still there. (netfs in kvm doesn't come up at boot, automatic NFS mount issues,..) broken RAIDs at boot. and since Lucid a high average load on a lot of machines. No, it can be better.
[16:26] <alvin> evdvelde: Thank you. I took commercial support. All those issues remain, but I have workarounds in place.
[16:27] <volodya> I have kdm crashing right after entering password, with maverick beta installed and then fully upgaded, on a NVIDIA Quadro NVS 3100M card. Does anybody know a workaround?
[16:27] <evdvelde> alvin: i tend to fiddle with those things myself and we have a really cool lab for our students now :-D
[16:27] <alvin> Canonical doesn't fix bugs. (well, they do, but it's not part of a support contract and that's understandable)
[16:27] <James147> volodya: #ubuntu+1 for meverick support
[16:27] <BluesKaj> volodya, ask in #ubuntu+1
[16:27] <alvin> volodya: Yes, install nvidia-common. Nouveau segfaults. I'm currently filing the bug
[16:28] <alvin> volodya: nvidia-current I mean
[16:28] <volodya> alvin: is just installing that supposed to fix the issue?
[16:29] <alvin> volodya: Well, if you install it will automatically be set as the default driver
[16:29] <alvin> It's not a fix, mind you!  It's bug 640596
[16:29] <volodya> I get some warning from update-alternatives during install. Is this expected?
[16:30] <alvin> volodya: I think it is
[16:30] <alvin> To change drivers afterwards, use jockey-txt
[16:31] <volodya> gah, it appears to still crash
[16:32] <alvin> hmm
[16:32] <alvin> Have you rebooted?
[16:33] <volodya> yeah.
[16:33] <volodya> let me run this jockey thing
[16:33] <alvin> If you want to see more information, start a text console and start KDE with $ startx
[16:33] <volodya> is it supposed to say "Searching for available drivers" and then exit?
[16:34] <alvin> Yes :-) try $ jockey-text --list
[16:34] <volodya> ah, nvidia_current appears to be the only one, and is enabled
[16:36] <volodya> wow, startx itself works.
[16:36] <volodya> at 800x600 ;-)
[16:52] <EvilRoey> hey all..  how do I set up Dirvish to copy from nightly BTRFS snapshots instead of from the live filesystem?
[16:53] <anxel> hola
[16:54] <anxel> alguien me puede ayudar a arreglar el sonido del youtube
[16:54] <anxel> no se escucha
[16:54] <BluesKaj> !es | anxel
[16:56] <volodya> alvin: fwiw, installing nvidia-current appears to make 'startx' work, with right resolution and compositing, but kdm still crashes on login
[16:56] <EagleScreen_> anxel: pincha en #ubuntu-es y preugnta ahí
[16:57] <anxel> gracias men
[16:58] <BluesKaj> volodya, habe you asked in #ubuntu+1 as we suggested earlier ?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> have
[16:58] <volodya> BluesKaj: no. I'm responding to a specific comment I was given.
[17:00] <BluesKaj> you really should find some help for a devel OS as listed in the caption above  Maverick/10.10 support in #ubuntu+1
[17:00] <BluesKaj> ok, time for the news
[17:01] <BluesKaj> bbl
[17:10] <Booby> www.gaul.co
[18:00] <seba> join #Ubuntu-es
[18:14] <DarthFrog> seba:  you mean /join
[18:47] <toat3136> is there a mini install possibilty for linux mint like for ubuntu?
[19:42] <raindog> Is there a way to turn off system beep for one app, chromium?  Or turn it off for everything?  I've tried modprobe -r pcspkr
[19:47] <James147> raindog: try turning the system bell off, system settings > accessability
[19:48] <raindog> James147: Thank you thank you.  I was looking under system bell.  My sanity is now restored.  :)
[19:52] <Lars_G> In the kde netbook view, or default newer kde views, is there an "expose" like keystroke? one default stroke to show all opened windows in the syste,
[19:55] <James147> Lars_G: yes, its the present windows desktop effect (requires desktop effects enabled) shortcut keys are: Ctrl+F10: All desktops, Crtl+F9: Current desktop, Crtl+F7:Window class
[19:55] <James147> Lars_G: these can all be configured in desktop effects in system ssettings
[19:55] <James147> (or the global keyboard shorcuts part of system settings)
[19:55] <Lars_G> thank you James147
[19:56] <James147> note that you can also set that effect for the alt+tab window switcher
[19:56] <Lars_G> It seems they're not enabled, or the shortcuts not assigned, I'll check
[19:57] <Lars_G> Ok, desktop effects enabled, and they don't seem to slow down my netbook
[19:57] <Lars_G> thank you very much sir!
[19:58] <James147> Lars_G: they may or may not drain more power (due to waking up your gpu/cpu more often)
[19:58] <Lars_G> ok
[19:58] <James147> Lars_G: I would advise you disable any effects you dont need/want
[19:58] <Lars_G> It seems the machine's intel gpu is enough to move them
[19:58] <Lars_G> yeah I'll depure them latter, now beleive it or not I need the effects to work :P
[19:59] <James147> Lars_G: also, if your on a laptop it may be configured to disable desktop effects when unpluged, see System settings > advanced > power managment to change that
[20:09] <Lars_G> I want to hug people at random
[20:11] <Lars_G> James147: trouble is I can't set it up to reenable the effects on the plugged in profile
[20:12] <James147> Lars_G: you cannot? (it should enable the effects if the "disable effects" option is not checked, assuming that effects wernt disabled globally)
[20:15] <Lars_G> James147: Ah I understand
[20:15] <James147> Lars_G: the working is a little confusing :) the powermagament only suspends effects, dosnt "disable" them...
[20:15] <James147> wording ^^
[20:16] <James147> (like hitting the suspend effects button the the desktop effects page
[20:16] <thomasfuston> Aloha, i got a short question, i got a new display (BenQ G2200W 22"), and i got all the time some flicker on the screen, on kde system settings i can choose only between 59.9 hz and 60hz, but both show me the same result... flicker on the screen
[20:16] <Lars_G> James147: not selecting "deactivate effects" activates them if they're not disabled
[20:16] <Lars_G> Ok i get it
[20:16] <James147> Lars_G: yeah
[20:17] <James147> (or at least it should ;) )
[20:19] <James147> thomasfuston: what graphics card/drivers are you using?
[20:21] <thomasfuston> James147: well i dont think its a a card problem on 17" lcd no flicker, but the new display does, but its only an intel gma950 nothin special
[20:22] <James147> thomasfuston: with or without desktop effects enabled?
[20:22] <thomasfuston> turn effects of change nothin, already tried this
[20:23] <thomasfuston> *off
[20:29] <Lars_G> I'd check if dri is being used... that card should be able to go higer than 60hz I think.
[20:30] <slow-motion> hi
[20:31] <EvilRoey> hi
[20:32] <administrador> hola
[20:35] <EvilRoey> hi hi
[20:35] <Lars_G> konnichiha
[20:45] <EvilRoey> konnichiwa
[20:45] <fedor> hi!
[20:46] <administrador> hello
[20:55] <Lars_G> yoohoo
[20:59] <ck> hi all
[21:02]  * Lars_G waves energically
[21:16] <yannis_> hello, pressing Edit Software Sources does nothing, any way to invoke that dialog through terminal?
[21:18] <James147> yannis_: it should ask you for a password, is the dialog hiding behind kpackagekit?
[21:19] <yannis_> no hidden dialog
[21:19] <yannis_> oh it's a known bug
[21:19] <James147> yannis_: also, dont know of a way to invoke it via cli, but what are you trying to do? there are cli ways of directly doing some things it configures
[21:19] <yannis_> trying to enable default repositories
[21:20] <duckx0r> how do you select the default device for the volume up, volume down and mute media keys? I have SB Live! EMU10k1 Analog Stereo and HD48x0 audio Digital Stereo (HDMI) and I want them to use the former rather then the latter
[21:20] <yannis_> could just edit sources.list I guess
[21:20] <James147> duckx0r: select a master chanel in kmix
[21:21] <James147> yannis_: yeah, thats the easiest way without the dialog :)  (also add-apt-repository <repo>)
[21:22] <duckx0r> James147, ah thanks! That's perfect!
[21:29] <BluesKaj> duckx0r, type alsamixer in the terminal , use the arrow keys to navigate and the M key to mute or unmute in box/ctrls
[21:30] <vbgunz_> if I use the noovoh driver (open nvidia) my framebuffer displays at the native resolution of 1920x1080. If I use the nvidia binary, my framebuffer doesn't go up above 1280x1024. any ideas on getting my framebuffer to show up at my native resolution using the nvidia binaries?
[21:30] <yannis_> could anyone tell me what the official repos are?
[21:30] <BluesKaj> oops , guess i should have srolled up
[21:31] <BluesKaj> !repositories  | yannis_
[21:31] <James147> vbgunz_: have you tryed setting them in nvidia-settings?
[21:33] <markit> hi, is it safe replace dbus 1.2 with 1.4 version to overcome dophin "freezes" and other issues? Taken from ppa:aleksander-m/dbus-development .. anyone has experience in this?
[21:33] <vbgunz_> James147: are you referring to the gui? if so, I've never seen a framebuffer option in there :/
[21:35] <vbgunz_> James147: interesting, I am looking at a sort of spreadsheet mumble jumbo code spaghetti. is it in there?
[21:35] <vbgunz_> im gonna google that
[21:36] <James147> vbgunz_: speadsheet? not sure what your looking at :S, nvidia-settings should allow you to set the resalution you want (better then the kde configs)
[21:37] <vbgunz_> no need to google it the little help button shows a lot of stuff but it ain't giving me real world resolutions
[21:37] <BluesKaj> vbgunz_, which nvidia card ?
[21:37] <vbgunz_> I am not trying to set the X resolution. I meant framebuffer. the consoles 1 through 6, the virtual terminals is what I am referring too
[21:38] <vbgunz_> BluesKaj: I have a GTX 275
[21:38] <James147> vbgunz_: ahh :) not entirly sure how tahts done, but have seen some things on google on how to set it
[21:38] <Guest41537> whats the irc command to list channels on a server?
[21:38] <vbgunz_> I just can't get that table to make any sense. the help offers so little in helping me pick the right resolution here
[21:41] <BluesKaj> vbgunz_, some frame ratios for your monitor with no X aren't picked up by the kernel source driver ...I have the same on my ati older card ..tty prompt is setup for a 4:3 screen , but mine is 16:10
[21:42] <Guest41537> thats alot of channels
[21:42] <Guest41537> stop
[21:42] <vbgunz_> BluesKaj: yeah, I swear that's whats happening. Just the thing is, the noovoh free driver gets the framebuffer right at the native resolution so I know it can be done. It's just pulling tooth and nails trying to use the nvidia binary
[21:45] <James147> vbgunz_: this might be intresting: http://tinyurl.com/25alfkn
[21:46] <BluesKaj> vbgunz_, why not just use the nouveau ?
[21:47] <poo> o
[21:49] <poo> hi
[21:49] <vbgunz_> BluesKaj: I really like the effects I have setup and for some off reason, the effects make my computer feel snappier. I turned them off several times and no matter the driver, it always feels choppy
[21:49]  * BluesKaj searches for cheaper retro nvidia 7 series cards :)
[21:49] <vbgunz_> James147: I am gonna check that out hard right now
[21:50] <BluesKaj> vbgunz_, fair enough :)
[21:50] <vbgunz_> BluesKaj: KDE 3.5 actually felt way better with no effects than KDE 4 with no effects and I had an old FX 5600 from walmart about 4 years old vs what I have now. you would think no effects would look good, I just don't know why it aint the case :(
[21:54] <poo> lol
[21:55] <vbgunz_> I gotta reboot to check this out James147, give me a couple minutes and I'll let you know what exploded
[21:57] <poo> does anyone talk in these irc rooms
[21:57]  * James147 see people talking...
[22:54] <vbgunz> BluesKaj, James147, I officially give up. im stuck with a 1280x1024 framebuffer resolution which clips about 15 columns to the right and for the moment I couldn'
[22:54] <vbgunz> be happier being stuck
[22:54] <vbgunz> heh
[23:14] <amsal> bonsoir
[23:15] <amsal> j ai un probleme a me connecter au wifi sous kubuntu
[23:16] <amsal> ya quelq un qui peut m aider
[23:34] <surunveri> hi
[23:34] <surunveri> how could i change the audio balance so that it's more on leftside
[23:34] <surunveri> well for example
[23:34] <surunveri> i mean volume
[23:35] <surunveri> ach the balance i mean :D
[23:35] <surunveri> with kubuntu 10.04
[23:59] <aezaerth> salut le monde