[02:47] <Noldorin> jelmer, how's progress on work?
[14:37] <odin_> hi I am getting some bzr error, "ERROR you have edited foobar.install instead of foobar-huh.install, please undo/merge changes"
[14:37] <odin_> makes no sense, "bzr status ." does not indicate anything on these files
[14:38] <odin_> I just want it to accept the current tree as the new version and commit all
[14:39] <odin_> no one else is working on this tree, and as far as I know this is the only copy that has been checked out
[14:39] <jelmer> odin_: I don't think that's an error from bzr itself. Perhaps it is from a plugin you have loaded?
[14:39] <odin_> well I am only using normal commands
[14:40] <odin_> it will be a ubuntu package management plugin
[14:40] <jelmer> odin_: can you pastebin the output of "bzr plugins" ?
[14:40] <odin_> status/add/commit/push
[14:41] <jelmer> that error message isn't in the bzr codebase, so it must be from some plugin
[14:42] <jelmer> odin_: do you mean bzr-builddeb?
[14:42] <odin_> pastebin.com/WkNcZdik  (typed in)
[14:42] <odin_> I am not using bzr-builddeb at this time, just status/add/commit/push
[14:43] <odin_> bzr status .  # is clean
[14:43] <jelmer> what's the eaxct error message you get, and for which command?
[14:45] <odin_> opps my bad
[14:45] <odin_> there is a safety measure in the script that stops you from editing the wrong files
[14:46] <odin_> the script front-ends  status/add/commit/push to allow 1 debian/* to target 4+ versions of ubuntu
[14:50] <jelmer> aha
[14:50] <jelmer> no wonder the error string wasn't in the bzr codebase :_)
[17:00] <Wellark> hi!
[17:00] <Wellark> where can I find documentation how daily PPA's are configured in launchpaD?
[17:10] <jelmer> Wellark: hi
[17:10] <jelmer> Wellark: see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/GettingStarted
[17:14] <Wellark> jelmer: thanks!
[18:08] <LeoNerd> Can there -please- be a flag to  bzr up  something like  --abort-if-diverged  so that  bzr up  becomes an error on divergant history, rather than doing a reverse merge..?
[18:08] <LeoNerd> I get very annoyed by this latter behaviour
[18:09] <LeoNerd> Then I can put that in my aliases file, and on divergant history it'll require me instead to rebase
[18:29] <darKoram> howdy from Austin Texas.  My first time on #bzr
[18:40] <lifeless> LeoNerd: you can use bzr pull instead, which has that behavior
[18:40] <LeoNerd> Hrm.. hard habit to get out of I guess. I tend to just "bzr up" most of the time
[18:40] <LeoNerd> Mostly because after "bzr co", up will work whereas pull will not
[18:41] <LeoNerd> Because you have to type the URL a total of 3 times before all the commands remember it
[18:42] <lifeless> LeoNerd: well, if you want to rebase rather than merging, you explicitly don't want bzr co to work after pull does anything, right ?
[18:42] <LeoNerd> Hrm?
[18:42] <LeoNerd> No, usually I  bzr co  to make my checkout initially
[18:42] <LeoNerd> rather than branch
[18:42] <lifeless> I didn't suggest you stop using bzr co
[18:42] <LeoNerd> If you co then a plain "bzr pull" claims it doesn't know what to pull from
[18:42] <LeoNerd> So the first time you type it you have to put the URL in again
[18:43] <lifeless> thats true
[18:43] <LeoNerd> I've started to get into a habit of immediately after bzr co, cd'ing into the workdir, then doing bzr missing <Alt+.><Enter>bzr pull <Alt+.><Enter>bzr push <Alt+.><Enter>
[18:43] <LeoNerd> just to reuse the bash history of the URL, and save some typing
[18:43] <LeoNerd> Otherwise it's an annoyingly inconvenient  bzr info  then copypaste the URL off the screen
[18:43] <LeoNerd> I still don't know why those can't be prefilled
[18:54] <jelmer> LeoNerd: doesn't "bzr pull :master" work?
[18:55] <LeoNerd> I've never heard of that.. what does it do?
[18:55] <jelmer> LeoNerd: sorry, :bound
[18:55] <jelmer> LeoNerd: see "bzr help location-alias"
[18:55] <jelmer> LeoNerd: it's an alias for the location of the master branch
[18:56] <jelmer> LeoNerd: that said, I agree we should fix "bzr up". The current behaviour might be useful in some cases, but is also a bit surprising.
[18:56] <darKoram> I recently created a bzr repo for my development work and uploaded it to Launchpad.  I'm now having serious problems with the drive it was on and need to re-format it.  Is there anything i need to do to make sure pulling back down from lp goes smoothly afterwards?
[19:00] <jelmer> darKoram: no, you should be able to just run "bzr branch lp:YOURBRANCH /local/path" later, presuming you pushed the branch to launchpad before your disk was corrupted.
[19:03] <darKoram> ok... gonna try it.  Thanks!
[21:27] <poolie> hi all
[23:08] <poolie> lifeless, incidentally the auto reconnect stuff should now be landed in bzr trunk
[23:08] <poolie> i think it will need to be tested there for a while before it can go into stable series though
[23:08] <poolie> but, that should make things a bit easier for lp
[23:32] <jelmer> poolie: it hasn't yet, that's the branch that's making PQM
[23:32] <jelmer> hang
[23:33] <poolie> :/
[23:33] <poolie> interesting
[23:33] <poolie> maybe pqm ought to run it under a timeout
[23:43] <jelmer> yeah, that would help for cases this like
[23:43] <jelmer> otoh, it's not really common for this to happen
[23:44] <jelmer> poolie: and we're migrating to tarmac anyway, right ? :-)
[23:48] <poolie> right
[23:48] <poolie> maybe i should pilot it this week


 All fixed.  Ripping my hair cut for nothing. 😀
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 @thepeter, There is no video
 @popeydc, I wonder, why they didn't ask us and kde in the first place. In foss, collaborating as much as possible should be a no-brainer, especially in fields as complicated as mobile OS. Anyways, thanks for the hint :)
 @neothethird, Because if they asked a particular project then they would have to ask every project that might be interested ;)
 or that they have no real interest in shipping anything but gnome, and have only brought this up now to get more backers. #conspiracy 🤣
 @DanChapman, 😂😂😂
 Maybe behind Purism there is Google...
 @deedend, that's a good one! 😂
 @deedend, I'm sure that it is Microsoft, not Google :p
[05:25] <tgBot10> * gostranger
 Is there an UBports emulator for GNU/Linux PC OS?
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 @xv8vxp, No
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 (Photo, 1227x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/e0bsevQU/file_610.jpg Is ARMv7 supported by UBports?
 yes
[06:24] <tgBot10> Foxmean was added by: Foxmean
 @thepeter, Yes this affects rc only
 @bhushanshah, Well the ubports tg app is a fork from Cutegram. So basically it runs on desktop and on the phone, but we got a few dependencies inside for the content hub and the notifications service. If you rip them out it should work.
 @UniversalSuperBox, My experience with snaps is a mixed bag. Easy to install, but in most cases like Atom, KeepassX and others they wouldn't start on my 16.04 or 16.10 desktops.
 750!!!
 Can I use the libreoffice snap in Ubuntu Touch?
 @nfsprodriver, Thanks for try to get whatssapp with the LoquiM but I can't get the contacts sync. I installed on Meizu Pro 5.
 is there any way to add a script to autostart?
 I want my shell script to fix TTL on reboot
[07:41] <tgBot10> <Vijay Kumar> what it TTL ?
[07:43] <tgBot10> <Vijay Kumar> there are two three types to do that depending on what you want to achieve
 @Foxmean, Welcome btw :)
 @vanyasem, easiest approach without making the rootfs rw is add an upstart config to ~/.config/upstart
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 @popeydc, i build a scrapper at day 2 or so http://www.delijati.net/image.png
 i build a scrapper at day 2 os so http://www.delijati.net/image.png
 @thepeter Nice to meet you.
[09:34] <logicman> can i use ubuntutouch for intel z8300. it ian atom processor i think
 @delijati, Hah! Great minds :)
 How can I see Netflix in browser?
 @jsalatas, Are you using XWayland? Or have you got a wayland plugin for Mir?
 @Jaume81, from what I understand netflix is full of proprietary stuff that pretty much stops you from watching on any browser except google Chrome... I haven't tried the other nasty browsers but the only way i could get it to work was on google chrome and I felt dirty so I stopped using netflix... they must be in bed together. Someone else probably has a more 'technical' answer but that's maybe something to help...  I have never tried on
[11:26] <tgBot10> mobile browser.
 @wayneoutthere, it works with Firefox as well, both on W and linux
 Ok but there aren't a firefox to Ubuntu Touch
 By terminal could get the chronium or similar?
 @Jaume81, Actully you can easily install it
 with Libertine
 Wouldn't that be like firefox 37 or whatever it is in the vivid archives? That's too old for netflix is it not?
 What's libertine? An app?
 And the location in UbPorts, why can't get it by wifi or red, only by gps?
 When using "GPS Only", you're still getting assisted GPS via Wi-Fi and your mobile network.
 @Jaume81, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine
 It's a (developer ready) way to run full desktop apps on your Ubuntu Touch device.
[12:41] <vikki> Hi there...
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 @DanChapman, I don't know 😕
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 @UniversalSuperBox, 👍. Then why locate me in Madrid when I'm in Barcelona and uNav can't locate?
 If you wait a few minutes, you'll be located correctly because regular GPS will kick in.
 @Josué, icouldn't get it working with FF.  Some folks told me netflix is corrupt on a few fronts but haven't had time to look into it.
 @Jaume81, We're using GeoClue with the Mozilla Location Service. If you're located in a strange location, that's why. I think there's an app for Android that can help you contribute new location information to Mozilla if you would like, which would fix your issues in your general area.
 How can I do this? Which app? I have Meizu Pro 5 and UBPorts don't support like Oneplus, N5 or FP2 (so much expensive). And the other too don't have fingerprint.
 @Jaume81, Mozilla Stumbler. It's in Google Play and in F-Droid, though the F-Droid version is a year old.
 https://wiki.mozilla.org/CloudServices/Location/Software
 The Google Play version is also a year old. No big deal.
 I don't have other device (in nearly future is possible), only Meizu with Ubuntu Touch.possible) is F-Droid free?
 F-Droid is free, but it hosts Android apps and not Ubuntu apps. It cannot be installed on Ubuntu Touch devices.
 👍
[13:31] <tgBot10> sugandhim was added by: sugandhim
 @logicman, Sadly each device operates very differently and making them work with UT takes many months for each. Only a few can be supported with the limited number of developers working on this. Halium project may increase the availability in the future but for now you must use a device listed on the UBports site - unless you are an expert with your own group, which will do the necessary work on a new device
 Totally I recomended UT Tweak Tool app, make the OS better use. But it need one swipe to get down the top bar (swipe up left-down,right-down) from inferior edge, for example) and another to get down the screen to open top apps (swipe up right-down, from inferior edge), like one-hand mode. Then UT will be more usefull.
 @Jaume81, Could you rephrase? I don't understand what you're trying to say.
 Would it help to have a second telegram group labeled as "newcomer questions" so that it cuts down on the amount of " please port to xyz" and " why it doesn't work perfectly yet ? " Questions? Some of us non-dev folks could save the busy ones some distractions and point people back to the wiki in such cases.... I was one of those who failed the wiki and follow press releases too, so I hope nobody thinks I'm just pointing fingers.
 Excellent idea if newcomers will find it and use it. The alternative is to PM them but then it is not marked as 'actioned '
 On the ubports page, you can put an instruction saying " refer to the newcomer group first if you might have a non technical question "
 It's about app UT tweak. I'm sorry my english is awful.
[13:58] <tgBot10> <Vijay Kumar> @SwizzlaKalongie, I was thinking that we should keep the two most popular question in the group info or put those question in some FAQ page and post the link in group info. or the forum link where these questions are
 So two groups, both listed on the ubports page. Because someone who sees  the supergroup might just be lazy and want to start chatting right away without taking time to read first.
 @Vijay Kumar, Yes,this is good too
 With this app you can calibrate the edge sensitive and the swipe to come back last screen has more right. I can do with one hand, and I use the phone with left.
 And it has another options.
 The swipes, I mean, has to go from down edge to up. And get down the top bar or screen with one-hand.
 It would be good to have in Telegram UBports Supergroup a new option that could show explanations, other interesing directions, other groups, etc.
 +1
 I can put it in the description, but I don't think anyone reads the descriptions...
 Is it possible to ping a standard welcome message by PM to each new joiner?
 Bot gets reported as spammer, then we have bigger problems. :/
[14:34] <tgBot10> <Vijay Kumar> @UniversalSuperBox, but we will know that it is in description. so easy for us to tell them that read the group description :D
 @Jaume81, There are at least two ubuntu touch related spanish chats... If you want to, I can invite you there.
 @Vijay Kumar, Alright, I get that.
 @LarreaMikel, please could you invite me, thank you
 If you ask in the Ubuntu support forum of the Ubuntu Catalan Team, you may get help: … https://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=206
 @LarreaMikel, Mikel, are those chat/channels open to everybody? can I join them?
 sure!
 @alan_griffiths, XWayland. It was a test I did back in April when I started working with it. I believe that it just loads and I don't expect it to work.
 How about using and integrating: https://ring.cx/
 It is not that stable but it shares the same approach as far as I understood as Diaspora
 Ring would be very cool 👍
 At least two :)
 So maybe I will open a discourse, no?
 @jsalatas, Right. The shell part likely works, but there's too much else that can fail.
 @jsalatas, I think qt5.9 are optimized on ARM so probably the change will be notable on ubports
 @alan_griffiths, Yeap! It just loads. I'm sure that touch events don't work  (I had to comment out parts in the code to make it load) and I'm pretty sure that other functionality doesn't work as well.
 @Flohack, Secret chats are also available
 @UniversalSuperBox, And if you disabled GPS? … How precise is network location?
 If you disabled GPS, you would have no location.
 Network location will be as accurate as Mozilla says it is, and that depends on the available data for your area. I don't know if geoclue provides this information, or if we have an API to expose it to apps.
 Could it be that Ubuntu touch is banned in France to get internet access? I had roaming when coming to France for a couple of hours with my fp2 and this morning no internet access.
 Same after login into hotel WiFi. For some minutes access was there but than stopped working while WiFi connection is excellent and other devices (eg nexus 9 with cyanogenmod) working fine in same WiFi...
 Does it work again after a reboot perchance?
 I highly doubt that there would be a blanket ban like that
 Rebooted several times. WiFi seems to be there again. I will observe further...
 @bastos777, Not really possible... beeing banned by France :)
[17:53] <tgBot10> George Law was added by: George Law
 @Ern_st, They couldn't even ban Hitler!
[18:39] <PsynoKhi0> hi, is there any file integrity check in place for the recovery images available from http://cdimage.ubports.com/ ?
 @twinkybot, Uhm, no. Diaspora is federated, Ring is completely decentralized
 Matrix is more like Diaspora than Ring is
 (Voice, 1s)https://irc.ubports.com/Ms2DbxTh/file_611.oga
 Sorry
 Didn't intend to use the voice messge, accidentally sent one
 @Ern_st, 😂
 @whig4life, 😂 😂😂
[19:17] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @Flohack, Is there the need for a special test approach. I can't reproduce the bug on mx4 (15.04/rc (r4)). I can successfully open webpages as well as web apps without any crashes.
 Thanks @Sy
 Maybe we can have a discussion about it here? … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/558/ring-cx-and-a-client-for-ut
 Don't have a forum account and don't want to bother
 same
 Just want to respond to "As far as I understand Matrix goes in direction of e.g. Mattermost but maybe with a more open approach to different types of communication. … Whereas Ring is more like Skype or Telegram." … Nope, Matrix is really more like Skype and Telegram. Ring is most like Tox. The problem with Ring and Tox is that they drain battery way worse because they have to keep several connections open
 it also seams it has no client api ...
 matrix api aka client sdks are "uncomplete" but at least there are some ...
 Tox has a library with 0 documentation, no clue about Ring, Matrix has an API and a few SKDs yeah
 @Flohack, Yeap! Especially oxide requires 8GB memory :p
 That's not a click app, though. We're already using CI for that, since it's a deb package
 Tesla use Ubuntu, who know what app's type use?
 @Jaume81, ¿Tú hablas Español?
 @Jaume81, I'm pretty sure that's just "under the hood". The UI and many other parts are probably custom made
 @neothethird, Mir :)
 @tsimonq2 Has mentao a la bicha.
 Yes I know but if the apps would have compatibility with UT, welcome. Because we can get an excellent nav and TuneIn, for exemple.
 ¿Dónde está el baño?
 i can spanish?
 Well, with respect. But I think in this group is better use english.
 Why do you ask where is the toilet?
 yeah
 oh.. so it's not library? :/
 biblioteca!
 I see some your videos
 @Jaume81, the name clearly states `ENGLISH` in caps
 Ok, don't worry Semkin
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/zMcIeJlq/file_612.mp4
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/WlGkQx2V/file_613.webp
 Hey!! What's happen with hotmail in Dekko?? Is break, I can send or recieve mails. Today breaks.
 @Jaume81, Dekko or Dekko 2?
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 Dekko because Dekko 2 don't appears the keyboard
 If you open other app and open tht keyboard, when you go to Dekko2 appears the keyboard.
 @Jaume81, you can get the keyboard switching to a different screen and then back to dekko 2
 I guess it's a little bug
 a lot of Spanish speaking in this group
 Spanish speaking people, I meant
 But for me with an E4.5 I can't send in Outlook nor Yandex. Allways.
 yeah, same here. I have a Fastmail account and I can't send emails at all
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 I think Dekko2 is alfa.
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 @Stefan Kalb, Ok so it seems only BQ devices are affected? wtf
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/iqCipUKJ/file_615.jpg
 With Dekko.
 I will try with Dekko 2
 Have you rebooted the phone?
 Quick question;
 Is there a way to submit a list of applications that I would really love to see ported to the Open Store?
 once they close canonical's store, I would not like to see them go...
 No, don't rebbot. Hey thanks for the keyboard advisekeyboard.
 @Flohack, It's not the first time... These phones are also affected by an Oxide bug which makes WebGL not working or something like that...
 Hotmail is unconfig. App is thinking yet.
 @per_sonne, forums at ubports site 😁
 @thepeter, Thanks; and what happens after that? I've been sending e-mails to some devs to asked them to port to the open store, but mostly I get no reply...
 @Jaume81, Perhaps tomorrow it does.
 Perhaps
 @TronFourtyTwo, Damn this will be a waste of time again!
 @per_sonne, Well here it works on community attitude, to be honest, it takes talking to people, a lot, maybe patroning somebody who would try to do it, or maybe condidering to try learning how are apps made and step by step developing 😉
 it's a shame, though, some apps are quite good. Would be a loss if they go away...so much work for nothing.
 (That's what I try to, in a meantime, do actually)
 @per_sonne, I was given advice to get to the souces if I can and save at least those
 good, good...
 modtly launchpad or github projects
 @per_sonne, When you have installed an app it is posible obtain the click file. I put an explanation in Asubuntu.
 That would be great
 would that allow for us to backp the apps for future installs?
 Does someone has the click file for the knowndict? I tried to compile from launchpad source but no sucess...
 With this OTA yes
 The link is: https://askubuntu.com/questions/784372/how-can-i-make-a-click-file-from-an-installed-app/784374#784374
 @Cesar_Herrera, nice
 @Cesar_Herrera, @cibersheep @mateosalta Maybe we can add "Edit installed Webapp" to Webapp Creator 😁
 @Jujuyeh, I was doing that by hand :D
 good idea...
 http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/linux-smartphone-operating-systems/
 I should really make an add-on for Firefox that analyzes the context and replaces "Linux" with "GNU/Linux" when necessary
 @vanyasem, Oh god no more naming controversy noooooo
 I cant manage to get nextcloud sync to work. Owncloud app doesn't sync anything and Calendar says my host URL is invalid
 I'm confused here
 @vanyasem, that's weird. The only time I've seen that happen was when the client was too old for the server version.
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/cpB4eWD4/file_617.jpg
 @mariogrip, Oneplus one got CAMERA!!!
 @mariogrip, is that an S8 you're taking a picture with?
 @exar_kun I have listen to the podcast!!! ^
 @vanyasem, jep
 @vanyasem, one of the only devices with slimport, + im following/testing how there desktop mode thingy works
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/QnHl34Pd/file_619.jpg I totally get that
 😁
 @vanyasem, hahah :P
 that's a Nexus 5 though 😏
 ubuntu touch *soon tm* on s8
 @mariogrip, I would be happy to test Halium builds on the Nexus 5x
 when they're ready, of course
 If we're being serious here
 the thing missing for that is mir android 7.1 support
 will get cracking on that after ota2 is fully out
 (Photo, 1280x605) https://irc.ubports.com/bahqZhWw/file_621.jpg
 rock 🤘
 @mariogrip, Thanks for listening 😂 any thing you want to add for the next #audiocast ?
 @mariogrip, @exar_kun I was refearing to this, you said the only thing stopping you from fully use opo as a daily driver was camera, now that's fixed :D
 @exar_kun maybe i'm remembering wrong, but i think you missed it in the last podcast
 Oh yes! Yay
 Awesome camera
 :D
 @Jujuyeh, That could be fun 😀
 @vanyasem, :D


[02:09] <rick_h_> snap-l_: https://github.com/jdunck/python-unicodecsv
[02:13] <rick_h_> then there's scitesy
[02:14] <scitesy> yes I'm here.
[02:15] <rick_h_> causing trouble
[02:15] <rick_h_> how goes?
[02:15] <scitesy> it goes well.  and you?
[02:16] <rick_h_> if this script runs through I'll say good :)
[02:33] <snap-l_> rick_h_: nice
[12:48] <snap-l_> Good morning
[12:48] <rick_h_> morning
[13:24] <brousch> yes
[13:24] <brousch> BarCampGR tonight! Who's coming?
[13:26] <rick_h_> party...but not coming
[13:27] <nullspace> cousin's wedding tomorrow so I'm not
[13:27] <brousch> 170 registrations
[13:28] <nullspace> when are we going to get a local barcamp?
[13:28] <rick_h_> last day to submit talks to 1devday
[13:30] <brousch> nullspace: When you get off your butt and organize it ;)
[15:30] <shakes808> Good day fellas
[15:31] <rick_h_> party
[15:41] <jrwren> party party.
[15:41] <jrwren> 5.25hrs until MLG Raleigh
[15:43] <snap-l_> Is that the french version of Magic The Gathering? (Majique le Gatheringeee)
[15:43] <shakes808> snap-l +1
[15:43] <shakes808> lol
[15:44] <snap-l_> Major League Gaming? Are you shitting me?
[15:45] <snap-l_> http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/home
[15:45] <snap-l_> Pardon me while I contain my excitement
[15:45] <snap-l_> Nope, that's gas.
[16:04] <rick_h_> woot! http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=9735795484d2e4c204da82a29&id=5f0305a119
[16:04] <snap-l_> bookie (github.com)
[16:04] <snap-l_> Bookie is a Python based open source version of the original bookmarking site delicious. Try it out.
[16:04] <snap-l_> Very cool!
[16:06] <jrwren> i'm a starcraft2 junkie
[16:06] <jrwren> i can't wait to watch!
[16:06] <jrwren> 5 hrs!!!
[16:07] <snap-l_> I'd rather spork my nuts
[16:13] <rick_h_> whoa, real time traffic is picking up
[16:16] <greg-g> jrwren: did you see the Planetary Annihilation kickstarter?
[16:17] <jrwren> oh, that game, I think i did
[16:19] <greg-g> jrwren: did you play Total Annihilation?
[16:19] <greg-g> that and MechWarrior were my two favorite games growing up
[16:19] <jrwren> i did not.
[16:19] <jrwren> i'm not a gamer.
[16:19] <jrwren> i only play starcraft2
[16:25] <greg-g> me neither anymore, but in high school I was
[16:26] <greg-g> which is why I haven't paid the $20 for the (linux supported) game and poster on KS
[16:34] <jrwren> trying to buy a house, realized i'm too poor, so no kickstarter for me in a while
[16:46] <greg-g> wait, the "I exercise AND save money" jrwren can't afford a house?
[16:46] <greg-g> that is potentially a poor joke, ignore if so
[16:46]  * greg-g had the impression jrwren was doing pretty well
[16:47] <rick_h_> http://ubuntuone.com/5C3EGSj1CiS4b4YLCfMiNR
[16:48] <greg-g> :)
[16:49] <snap-l_> ;)
[17:03] <jrwren> greg-g: i want a nice house in ann arbor, i'm the only income in our home, so its doable, just not easy.
[17:03] <shakes808> jrwren: I know a realtor if you need one.
[17:04] <jrwren> i have got one.
[17:04] <jrwren> who do you know?
[17:06] <shakes808> Her name is Maria and she had her own business but then the market went to shit so she is working for ?Keller Williams?
[17:06] <jrwren> ah, cool.
[17:09] <brousch> jrwren: Why move to AA?
[17:12] <jrwren> because its portland but smaller.
[17:13] <jrwren> honestly: mostly because of the general values of its citizens.
[17:13] <jrwren> i'm tired of living in a city where a majority of citizens think highly of walmart.
[17:14] <snap-l> so you're looking to s/walmart/whole foods/g ? ;)
[17:14] <jrwren> right
[17:19] <greg-g> haha
[17:19]  * greg-g is more of a fan of Trader Joe's
[17:19] <greg-g> cheaper and still good quality
[17:20] <greg-g> without all the energizing crytals
[17:20] <greg-g> jrwren: and yeah, totally understand that. I wish I could move back to A2 with my current (non-profit, mind you) SF salary
[17:22] <jrwren> i hear that. the houses we are looking at would be multimillion dollar homes in the bay area.
[17:23] <jrwren> trader joes is great if you don't want produce. given we buy primarily produce, adn no meat, and little dairy, TJs is not for us.
[17:23] <jrwren> I do like TJ's Peanut Butter.
[17:25] <greg-g> ahh, yeah, with our current diet (which sound similar to yours) we mostly just spend about $100 at the farmers market and we're good
[17:26] <greg-g> that's one thing I would miss, its true, the farmers' markets out here are awesome
[17:26] <snap-l> Meijer: It's like a Farmer's Market, but not.
[18:10] <shakes808> snap-l: Do you know if any C# 4.5 books are available? I see one that comes out the 29th and another that comes out Feb '13.
[18:11] <brousch> jrwren is the resident C#er
[18:12] <shakes808> Thank you brousch. Question redirected to you, jrwren. Any good books available for 4.5?
[18:14] <snap-l> Yeah, I know nothing of C#, except it comes after C, and just before D
[18:15] <snap-l> and is somethimes referred to as Db
[18:19] <Blazeix> if you need to learn basic C# before then you can be perfectly fine reading a C# 4 book.
[18:19] <Blazeix> net 4
[18:20] <Blazeix> the newest version adds some nice asynchronous constructs
[18:20] <Blazeix> but the basic way you develop it hasn't really changed
[18:21] <jrwren> shakes808: there is not much new to 4.5, what are you looking for.
[18:22] <jrwren> greg-g: farmers markets here are great, but its a short season, i immagine it is longer there.
[18:23] <greg-g> jrwren: multiple seasons really
[18:27] <shakes808> Firm I am with is going to move to be a .NET shop and I would assume that they are going to be porting to the newest frameworks.
[18:28] <shakes808> But I will see what I have in my collection when I get home and poke around with some 4.0 if I have it.
[18:28] <shakes808> Any good recommendations for 4.0?
[18:36] <Blazeix> do you have any experience with the platform at all?
[18:37] <Blazeix> I guess i'd recommend just playing around with MVC4 (it's free, along with the IDE)
[18:37] <shakes808> A little bit.
[18:37] <Blazeix> make sure you're using LINQ, lambdas, etc. if you follow online guides you'll be fine.
[18:38] <shakes808> Gotcha
[18:39] <shakes808> Thank you for the direction
[18:51] <Blazeix> so is the company going from Scheme to .NET? That's an interesting transformation.
[18:54] <snap-l> Sounds like a company that hired Paul Graham to consult. ;)
[18:58] <PainBank> anyone use Apache Thrift yet?
[19:13] <shakes808> Blazeix: Currently everything seems to be frankenstiened together with multiple languages.


[00:07]  * genii-around twitches and waits for Unit193's ascii art
[00:09] <Unit193> I never said what channel I'd do it in.... :P
[00:10] <genii-around> Heh
[00:15] <Unit193> jping
[00:27]  * genii-around sips
[01:58] <em> is there any downside to using firefox rather than rekonq?
[02:03] <em> is it at all considered bad form for a kubuntu user?
[02:51] <toph> Hey guys I have Kubuntu installed and I noticed that ubuntustudio is running gnome. How wold I go about installing the ubntustudio stuff without messing up my KDE? Or are some of the programs even going to be compatible without gnome?
[02:52] <toph> I guess what I'm asking can I just copy/paste the lists found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageList/ into an apt-get command and be set within Kubuntu with all the ubuntustudio spiffy software :)
[03:25] <em> poor toph. never got an answer.
[04:20] <skreech__> em: Yeah :(
[04:20] <skreech__>  but I think that might be a better question for #ubuntustudio
[06:04] <faglnar> Hi, what could be the reason that random apps trigger a crash reporter when closing?
[06:10] <nandhu> hi i am getting out put from amixer command as [100%] or [45%] etc .. but i need only  the numbers not the [ or ] what can i do
[06:13] <nandhu> command : amixer getr 'Master Front'| grep %| awk '{print $5}' |head -1
[06:13] <nandhu> and from this i get output as [56%]
[06:13] <nandhu> or what ever volume
[06:13] <nandhu> but i need only number not the [ ]
[06:13] <nandhu> what i can use to cut that
[07:33] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:23] <Riddell> alpha 3 images for the testing!  join us in #kubuntu-devel to help
[09:30] <noaXess> hey all
[09:30] <noaXess> i have installed a downgraded xserver .. now i need to install/upgrade to the latest from precise.. how to force use latest to upgrade?
[09:46] <noaXess> got it.. sudo apt-get install package=version
[09:55] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[10:26] <akis> hi all. my 10.04 system lost suddenly the dvd/cd rom and cannot mount it. an idea to fix it? http://paste.kde.org/522452/
[10:31] <akis> any help?
[10:43] <akis> any help plz?
[10:44] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: hi
[10:45] <akis> hi
[10:45] <akis> any help for my issue?
[10:46] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: what type of user are you?
[10:46] <akis> what you mean? simple user
[10:47] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ok
[10:47] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: does k3b detect the drive?
[10:49] <lordievader> akis: Not sure if I am going to be a great help, but does your user have permission to access the cd drive?
[10:49] <akis> no.http://paste.kde.org/522458/
[10:50] <akis> yes sure i have. i have normally access since a week ago.
[10:50] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: checking
[10:50] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522464/
[10:52] <akis> some minutes ago i received this http://paste.kde.org/522452/ but now i am receiving http://paste.kde.org/522464/
[10:53] <akis> i didn't find any serious help googling this issue.
[10:54] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: the above is without a restart?
[10:55] <akis> this one http://paste.kde.org/522464/ is after a new reboot
[10:55] <akis> the previous was also after a new start for this afternoon
[10:56] <akis> i realized the problem early this morning when the system failed to read a cdrom
[10:56] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: is your cdrom very old? and is the hardware good?
[10:57] <akis> there is no hardware problem. it was working fine 5 days ago. i burn a cd last week.
[10:58] <akis> the cd can eject using the button and trying to read but it fails.
[10:58] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: did you update your kernel or xserver ?
[10:58] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: does it work with a live cd?
[10:59] <akis> i tried to update to 12.04 but i stopped the procedure before an file will be installed to my system
[10:59] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in that case you might have a broken package
[11:00] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: did you repair it?
[11:00] <akis> this afternoon when i first start my system K3b saw the cd (no medium present) it could eject it but when i put a cd it could read it.
[11:01] <akis> i didn't repair anything because i think no change was happen to my system
[11:01] <akis> how could i check this and repair it?
[11:02] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: are you able to install anything using the apt-get command?
[11:03] <akis> of course i can. what do i have to install?
[11:03] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: when did you check?
[11:04] <akis> do you mean when did i check if my system is update?
[11:05] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: run this command "sudo apt-get install -f"
[11:06] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: done?
[11:07] <akis> done. http://paste.kde.org/522470/      I have to mention that there another issue here that nobody till now can solve it. you can read to see it.
[11:08] <akis> but this issue is oldest than the cdrom problem
[11:08] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: thats very simple
[11:09] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: uninstall linux-image-2.6.32-41-generic
[11:09] <akis> it would be lovely if it simple indeed
[11:10] <akis> how can i proceed to that unistallation?
[11:10] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.32-41-generic"
[11:11] <susundberg> eeh, if thats only image then that will be trouble?
[11:11] <phoenix_firebrd> susundberg: ya
[11:11] <phoenix_firebrd> susundberg: thats why he shouldnt restart
[11:11] <akis> that right. which is my image?
[11:12] <susundberg> phoenix_firebrd: wouldnt it be better just to move the /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-41-generic to somewhere else and retry?
[11:12] <phoenix_firebrd> susundberg: whats wrong in uninstalling?
[11:12] <akis> uninstallation already done
[11:13] <susundberg> oh nothing i guess
[11:13] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: try the "sudo apt-get -f" noe
[11:13] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: try the "sudo apt-get -f" now
[11:13] <susundberg> if one just doesnt boot while fixing the problem :)
[11:13] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522476/
[11:13] <susundberg> oh its not like the only image existing :)
[11:14] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522482/
[11:14] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: so can you try to upgrade the system now?
[11:15] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: dont restart the system now, before installing a kernel
[11:15] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522488/             no wrong message now
[11:16] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: run this "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[11:17] <akis> done. no reply
[11:17] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: do you have a package manager gui?
[11:18] <akis> yep
[11:18] <noaXess> hey
[11:18] <noaXess> how can i check available screens from console?
[11:19] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in that check if linux-image-generic is installed?
[11:19] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: if yes then tell me the version
[11:21] <akis>  package manager gui=kpackagekit?
[11:21] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ya
[11:22] <akis> i searched for linux-image-generic and i received many . which of all do i have to check?
[11:23] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: more than one installed? if yes then tell me the latest
[11:24] <nag_> hi guys when ever i login my system i am facing some error report. This is error i got in /var/log/syslog "http://paste.kde.org/522494/"
[11:25] <akis> just linux-image-generic image only  or pae etc?
[11:27] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: give me the linux-image-x.x.xx installed version number
[11:27] <akis> linux-image-generic-image are 2: <IP_ADDRESS>.48 and <IP_ADDRESS>.22
[11:27] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ok wait
[11:28] <nag_> every time i am facing this kind of some error problem. Can someone guide me how can i solve it plz
[11:28] <noaXess> what means no screens found? anything to do with the grafic driver or screen itself?
[11:28] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: run this "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[11:29] <akis> Checking for a new ubuntu release/ No new release found
[11:30] <akis> i have to say that i search with the filter "only installed" and i recieved nothing!!!
[11:30] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: what does "uname -a" give?
[11:31] <akis> Linux ComputerKubuntu10 2.6.32-41-generic #94-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 6 16:51:39 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:31] <lordievader> From what command comes this error, noaXess?
[11:31] <noaXess> lordievader: restarting dm
[11:31] <noaXess> in the log..
[11:31] <phoenix_firebrd> akis:  this "lsb_release -a"
[11:32] <noaXess> lordievader: problem about X11 after upgrading to precise..
[11:32] <lordievader> noaXess: Dm = kdm? or the lightdm from unity? Does it boot correctly furthermore?
[11:32] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522500/
[11:34] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: run this "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[11:35] <akis> working
[11:35] <noaXess> lordievader: lightdm... but i think something is wrong cause notebook has a intel gma500 gard.. and in 11.10 i needed to mae some changes for it.. but in 12.04 it should be out of the box, but the changes, some of them are still there..
[11:36] <noaXess> but, no screens found, means normaly that driver can't be loaded, right?
[11:37] <lordievader> noaXess: It could also mean that Xserver hasn't booted yet, however the channel #ubuntu will be more able to help you with this, since lightdm is related to ubuntu, kubuntu uses kdm instead of lightdm.
[11:37] <noaXess> i know..
[11:37] <noaXess> thanks
[11:37] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522506/
[11:37] <noaXess> but drivers are the same for ubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu ;)
[11:38] <akis> this the upgrade i tried to do to precise and i stopped it.
[11:38] <noaXess> i saw that for 12.10 there is gma500_gfx... but not for 12.04
[11:38] <akis> i dont wanto to go to 12.04
[11:42] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: for now, i recommend you to upgrade to 12.04
[11:43] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: so are you upgrading?
[11:44] <akis> is there any way to keep openoffice instead of liboffice?
[11:45] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: as far as i know openoffice will stay after the upgrade
[11:45] <evll> just want to express my gratitude towards developers of kubuntu. was using it for a long time, but had a problem during version update and switched to chakra. now I am back and I must say, that is like a breath of fresh air
[11:45] <evll> everything just works
[11:47] <akis> have u checked this?
[11:47] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: the openoffice package is availabe in 12.04 to install
[11:49] <akis> i dont want to delete my openoffice and my configuration. i dont want to stop working with openoffice for compatability reasons with other machines/systems (linux/win)
[11:49] <akis> that's why i didn't proceed with the upgrade last week
[11:49] <nag_> Hi Guys, every time i am facing " this kind"http://paste.kde.org/522494/"  of some error problem. Can someone guide me how can i solve it plz
[11:50] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: you mean the configuration of open office?
[11:51] <akis> yep
[11:55] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: You can always backup the configuration if you are afraid it might be lost. So decide soon and tell me whether you want to upgrade or not
[11:55] <akis> look here http://paste.kde.org/522518/           openoffice.org-base-core
[12:02] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: openoffice.org-base depends on libreoffice-base which inturn depends on libreoffice-base-core, so the openoffice.org.base-core in not needed in 12.04
[12:04] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: if you don't want to upgrade then tell me
[12:04] <nag_> can someone reply me plz
[12:05] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: i can, what ?
[12:05] <root_____> ko staa
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[12:05] <root_____> poznavate li ma
[12:05] <akis> if i won't upgrade are you sure rebboting my system it will work because we unistall the image? if i will proceed would these issue be solved (image plus cdrom)?
[12:06] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: when i logging my system, i am getting some error report.
[12:06] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: DO NOT REBOOT NOW
[12:06] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: i checked in my /var/log/syslog i am seeing this error msg's http://paste.kde.org/522494/
[12:07] <akis> i dont
[12:07] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: incase if you are not going to upgrade , install the latest kernel image and headers
[12:07] <akis> how could i proceed with this (latest kernel image and headers)
[12:07] <akis> ?
[12:08] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: i dont know if what we have done till now might work, also hal is outdated and udev is a must
[12:08] <akis> that means what?
[12:10] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: hal is replaced by udev in 12.04 , hal and udev  deal with the hardware
[12:10] <akis> i press "Y". so God save my pc!
[12:10] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: what are you doing?
[12:10] <akis> update is already running
[12:11] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: you mean the upgrade?
[12:11] <akis> yep to 12.04
[12:11] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: what is your kubuntu version?
[12:11] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: thats very nice
[12:11] <nag_> 4.8.4
[12:11] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: i will help you till you get your open office
[12:13] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: thats the kde version. run this command "lsb_release -a"and see the kubuntu version
[12:13] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: also tell me the kernel version
[12:13] <akis> thank you so much for your care and all the advices. i erased from kpackagedkit by mistake precise software sources. is it serious. i think i can retrieve them. isn't it?
[12:14] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: you mean the custom ppa?
[12:14] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: oh then, i'm not using kubuntu earlier i used ubuntu. i installed kde on ubuntu 12.04.
[12:15] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: but earlier when i used ubuntu i didnt face this problem
[12:15] <akis> i mean all the sources they are under edit software sources/other software
[12:15] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: no, even if we are using kubuntu, it will tell you ubuntu, now tell me the version
[12:16] <nag_> 12.04
[12:16] <nag_> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[12:16] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: the one that you added or the default one in the list
[12:16] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: what is the kernel version
[12:16] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: use this command "uname -r"
[12:17] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: the one that you added or the default one in the list?
[12:17] <nag_> 3.2.0-27-generic-pae
[12:18] <akis> now i have (disabled because of the upgrade) only "http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/"
[12:18] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: did any of the recent upgrade went wrong?
[12:18] <akis> and http://ppa.launchpad.net/eugenesan/ppa/ubuntu
[12:18] <nag_> no.
[12:19] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: did you delete from the list manually?
[12:19] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: do you have a live disk?
[12:19] <nag_> i have lost my internet connection a couple of times when i'm updating , but when upgrading everything was cool
[12:20] <akis> yep. but i know that they exist at "sources.list"
[12:20] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: yes i hav
[12:21] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: did you check?
[12:21] <akis> no, i looking for the dir. do u know it?
[12:22] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: boot to the live cd and check if everything works properly, see if you get the same error.
[12:23] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: if you get the same error there too, then there is a strong possiblity of hardware error, especially, the io controller in your motherboard or bad ram
[12:24] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: what if i can get that error with live cd
[12:24] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: oh kk
[12:24] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: but earlier when i
[12:25] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: but earlier when i am using ubuntu i didnt face this problem
[12:25] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: "/etc/apt/"
[12:26] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: it might also be a kernel fault, the kernel had a bug causing this some time back, i faced the same situation, after a upgrade problem solved
[12:27] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: you better check with the live cd
[12:27] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: ok
[12:27] <nag_> thnx
[12:27] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: upgrade percentage?
[12:27] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: yw
[12:27] <akis> unfotunately there is only the previous file. the new one is saved without new libraries
[12:28] <akis> still downloading
[12:28] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ok
[12:28] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: brb
[12:29] <akis> somewhere could precise's libraries be found.
[12:29] <akis> to update my sources list and repair it
[12:30] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: repair what?
[12:31] <akis> source.list file
[12:32] <akis> i found it
[12:33] <phoenix_firebrd> good
[12:40] <akis> during upgrade will i have normal internet connection?
[12:42] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: apart from reduced download speed, it should work fine, some times in old hardware, due to high cpu usage, pages may take time to display
[12:43] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: i boot up with live cd, i didnt get any error msg.
[12:44] <phoenix_firebrd> use my nick so that i will get an notification. nick tab completion is easy
[12:44] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ^
[12:45] <akis> no low speed was detected. so, it will ask me only for one reboot? after reboot the main configuration will stay the same? dolphin for example will be the same?
[12:45] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: can i go for kernel upgrade
[12:45] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: the config will be same
[12:45] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: dont reboot
[12:46] <akis> that's excellent. i dont reboot, still upgrading.
[12:46] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: check if the kernel images are installed before that, the version should be like 3.2.x
[12:46] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: i think you have the latest kernel
[12:47] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: see if you have any broken packages
[12:47] <akis> using kpackagekit?
[12:47] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: in kernel.org current version is 3.4.6
[12:47] <nag_> mine was 3.2
[12:49] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_:  i am using kubuntu 12.04 my kernel version is 3.2.0-27
[12:49] <akis> i just realized that openoffice doesn't work. is it because of upgrading?
[12:50] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: no problem for me, so check if you have any broken packages
[12:50] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: upgrade finished?
[12:50] <akis> no. working.
[12:51] <akis> oo tries to load a file but closes
[12:51] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: i will solve it after the upgrade finishes
[12:52] <akis> ok. sure.
[12:54] <akis> do you think that upgrade will affect my internal's fax configuration, which i fixed it by a friend from here?
[12:54] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: can you give me the command for that
[12:55] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: "sudo apt-get -f"
[12:56] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: normally, any update or upgrade wont overwrite any configuration, if wants it will ask you during the install
[12:57] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in any situation , a backup is a good thing to do
[12:58] <akis> now it's to late!
[12:58] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: after that
[12:59] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: what happened when you ran that command?
[13:00] <akis> my mail doesn't work too. i think that work only the programs that are open during upgrade. i don't try to open anything else because it would be a disaster if the system stops working now!
[13:01] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ya
[13:02] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: nothing it show me some help commands
[13:03] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: and options
[13:03] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_:  did you run the command properly
[13:04] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: yes, exactly
[13:04] <nag_> sudo apt-get -f
[13:04] <nag_> thats what i did
[13:04] <akis> i don't know if ubuntu/kubuntu succeed a smooth upgrade, but i have a very but experience (on my desktop) from an upgrade in opensuse from 10 to 11 and finally i went to a clean installation. i wish that everything will go well.
[13:05] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_:  try this ""sudo apt-get install -f"
[13:06] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: ok leave it. that's doesnt create me problem. Its just gave me error report when i login, but there is one big issue i am facing while logging
[13:06] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: why did you do you clean install?
[13:06] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: you could have deleted the configs instead
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: try the command
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: you make have data loss
[13:07] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: you may have data loss
[13:08] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: yes gives some packages to remove
[13:09] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: can you paste the output here?
[13:09] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: can i run this command "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[13:09] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: no
[13:09] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: paste the output of "sudo apt-get install -f"
[13:10] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: use paste.kde.org
[13:10] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: these are the packages that i no longer required as per "sudo apt-get install -f" command
[13:11] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: that is not essential now
[13:11] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: ok
[13:11] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: can you paste the output?
[13:11] <akis> after the upgrade i lost everything form my personal configuration and as far as i remember the new system was a mixture of the old and the new one. anyway evrything is fine with a clean installation. then i tried to upgrade to 12 but i lost my tv analogue card and i went back to 11 with a new clean installation. now i am running 11.2 and i dont touch it! i dont have update opportunities (although i manage to upgrade my firefox to the latest
[13:11] <akis> version) but its ok for me. so i hope todays upgrade will work out of troubles.
[13:11] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[13:12] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: http://paste.kde.org/522578/
[13:12] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: sometimes try drop siupport for older hardwares in new kernel
[13:13] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: it seems there is no broken packages in your system
[13:15] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: yes, thats minor issue only, but plz tell me this. its major one.  it goes to suspend mode, when i turn on from suspend mode, the screen is black after i am entering the password
[13:16] <akis> i chated for hours in #suse to find solution to support my tv card under new kernel but no one knew what to do. many of them advised me to buy a digital one! for that reason i went back to 11.2. any way here is a kubuntu chat session so maybe is not right to talk bout oter distros.
[13:17] <akis> still upgrading. how many hours can take this upgrade?
[13:19] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: what does "sudo fsck /dev/sdb1" give?
[13:20] <akis> new icons for my dolphin!
[13:20] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: the upgrade time depens on your internet speed and hardware
[13:21] <nag_> fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sdb1
[13:21] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: if the driver for the tv tuner card is open sourced, you could compile it under the new kernel and install it
[13:22] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: else, you have too use the old kernel
[13:22] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: or check if the tv tuner card company is offering a driver for the current kernel
[13:23] <chazor> hey all\
[13:23] <chazor> i have a general question anyonw willing to help?
[13:23] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: paste the output of "sudo fdisk -l" here
[13:23] <akis> it is a very old card (1995) of Happauge
[13:24] <phoenix_firebrd> !question
[13:24] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: hey i filed that command on /dev/sda7 --> which is monted on / partition.
[13:26] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: when i filed this cmd "sudo fsck /dev/sdb1" its giving some warning msg " WARNING!!!  The filesystem is mounted.   If you continue you ***WILL***"  cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage."
[13:26] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: the error message shows that there is a i/o error between sdb1, but your fsck tells no such device, so paste the output
[13:26] <faglnar> My X behaves quite strange.
[13:26] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: ok
[13:26] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: dont continue
[13:26] <lordievader> !help | chazor
[13:27] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: so is your kubuntu installed on sdb1?
[13:27] <chazor> i have ubuntu 12.04 installed on a 1tb hard drive ive been running it for some time and dont want to start from scratch again if i dont have to any way im wonding if theres a way i can take lets say 350gb from the 1tb partion and repartion it for windows 7 Without loasing any of may data from ubuntu?
[13:27] <chazor> sorry bout that and thank you
[13:28] <phoenix_firebrd> chazor: use the partition manager to resize the partition
[13:28] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: this is what i did "http://paste.kde.org/522590/"
[13:29] <phoenix_firebrd> chazor: its in system settings
[13:29] <lordievader> chazor: You can use gparted (or kde's partition manager) to resize your partition to make space for windows. However windows will overwrite grub.
[13:29] <chazor> and that wont mess with any of my movies / music?
[13:29] <faglnar> When I have 2 kdm sessions open and one of them has lockscreen and I switch to it, the lockscreen around the password prompt contains picture instead of black. Those pictures are either scrambled colors, fragments of ones desktop or the desktop upside down or even a website favicon zoomed fullscreen. WTF?
[13:30] <lordievader> chazor: It is allways a good idea to backup, but it shouldn't mess with it. For after you've installed windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[13:30] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: sdb1 is not found in fdisk list
[13:31] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: yes i did for sda7
[13:31] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: i think some config is wrong
[13:32] <nag_> check the full o/p
[13:33] <chazor> there in lies the issue i have nothing to use for a back up device >.< i dont have to have windows 7 but some programs i use are just not worth the effort to try to get to work with wine
[13:33] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: do you automount drives at startup?
[13:33] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: i didnt change any partition. i free up some space and installed on it... without editing..
[13:34] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: no
[13:34] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_:  do you have windows?
[13:34] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: i mount windows partitions if i need any data
[13:34] <chazor> im a new linux user and loving it i might add so much faster but just some apps i cant get working in wine
[13:34] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: yes i have
[13:35] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: boot into windows and check all drives for errors and come back here
[13:35] <phoenix_firebrd> chazor: like?
[13:36] <nag_> do u mean, disk clean up for  C-drive or disk partition
[13:36] <nag_> do u mean, disk clean up for  C-drive or disk defragmentation
[13:36] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: disk check the one in drive properties in windows
[13:37] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522596/    what do i have to answer?
[13:37] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: ya got it. cant i do here from linux for my windows partitions
[13:37] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: also when you finish that and reboot to linux, boot into recovery mode and do a disk check
[13:38] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: no, ntfs checking is done right in windows
[13:38] <akis> ?
[13:39] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: checking
[13:39] <akis> yes or no. keep it or upagrade it. OK>
[13:39] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: ok i will do it after some time. I have one more question
[13:39] <chazor> for one my wife uses imvu, witch has no linux application witch suckes because she wants me to get on imvu more, another is photoshop, i know theres gimp but its not the same,
[13:40] <chazor> are two of the main ones
[13:40] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: do you have any other way to come here, if you have a problem logging in?
[13:41] <chazor> freezes*
[13:41] <chazor> also trying to get my fans to run all the time but cant figure that out eather my laptop gets really hot then freases up
[13:41] <akis> only using a win7 system using mIRC
[13:41] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: i will put my laptop in sleepmode , when i turn on from sleep mode i enter my password after that its giving blank screen
[13:42] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: so can you come here?
[13:42] <akis> yep as far as i know!
[13:42] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: that time it cant even get virtual console.
[13:43] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: then select yes
[13:43] <akis> if i select No which is the default what would be happened?
[13:44] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: after all the disk checks, try this "dpkg-reconfigure -a"
[13:45] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: it will keep the old config of the kdm , but it might cause some trouble
[13:46] <akis> ok. i proceed with "yes"
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: type the less p and press tab here
[13:49] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: type the letter p and press tab here
[13:51] <genii-around> !who
[13:51] <chazor> gparted cant change partion size?  the options greyed out
[13:52] <phoenix_firebrd> chazor: do you use a single partition?
[13:52] <chazor> yes
[13:52] <chazor> well besides the swap
[13:52] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: i will do that thnx
[13:53] <chazor> or exteneded what every you want to call it
[13:53] <phoenix_firebrd> chazor: in that case you have to resize the partiton from a live session
[13:53] <akis> Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-27-generic
[13:53] <chazor> O.O
[13:53] <chazor> okies
[13:53] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: away frm my laptop. i'b back in 15 mins
[13:53] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: nice
[13:54] <chazor> now just have to find that f`n cd >.<
[13:54] <akis> is this one the latest image?
[13:54] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: ok
[13:55] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: thats the latest in 12.04
[13:55] <akis> ok. excellent.
[13:56] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: confirm the version  of the linux-image installed from kpackagekit  before a reboot
[13:56] <akis> sure.
[13:57] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: finished?
[13:57] <hanibana> Hi, what mail client utility can I use to get my unread mails from my IMAP server in a single command line?
[13:57] <akis> i think it is near to the end. setting up.
[13:58] <hanibana> Hi, what mail client utility can I use to get my unread mails from my IMAP server in a one line command?
[13:58] <hanibana> sorry for duplicate.
[13:59] <akis> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-27-generic
[14:00] <akis> i saw that it setup both openoffice and liboffice. probably it keeps OO.
[14:01] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: nice
[14:04] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522638/ yes or no?
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: press d and get the details
[14:05] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: paste the output here
[14:05] <akis> good selection! http://paste.kde.org/522650/
[14:06] <akis> old images, e?
[14:07] <akis> i think it should be removed, isn't it?
[14:07] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ya remove
[14:09] <akis> what do i have press now? q and then y?
[14:09] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: wait
[14:09] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: press y
[14:11] <akis> y is not acceptable because now it's on the details' screen. i pressed somenthing at upgrades startup after i pressed details to see the packages but i dont remember what was it. after i press it i got again the question y or no or d (details).
[14:12] <akis> Q and Y worked
[14:12] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: good
[14:13] <akis> perfect indeed
[14:13] <akis> removing
[14:15] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: do you use any graphics card?
[14:16] <akis> well it finished and asks for a restart.
[14:16] <akis> it's a laptop with an onboard graphic card. why?
[14:18] <akis> in my launcher menu there nothing right now. only Run command and leave.
[14:18] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: sometimes an external graphics card cause trouble when installing a kernel
[14:19] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: upgrade finished?
[14:19] <akis> its not an external one. its onboard
[14:19] <akis> finished
[14:19] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: did you check if the latest kernel image is installed?
[14:20] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: hey i am back, can you tell me this
[14:20] <akis> i cannot find kpackagekit. there nothing in my launcher menu.
[14:20] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: i will put my laptop in sleepmode , when i turn on from sleep mode i enter my password after that its giving blank screen
[14:20] <akis> only Run and Leave
[14:22] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: alt+f2 to get the runner and type kpackagekit there
[14:23] <akis> i run kpackagekit through run command. it asked me for pass. but it doesnt load
[14:23] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: have you finished the disk checks?
[14:24] <akis> or doesn't accept my pass!!!
[14:24] <c2tarun> hi, anybody using compiz with KDE
[14:24] <akis> i heard a ding and clesed
[14:24] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: no i am coping some files it will takes another 1 hr atleast
[14:24] <akis> i heard a ding and closed
[14:24] <akis> i doesnt start
[14:25] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: you better reboot
[14:25] <akis> take the risk to restart or is there any other way to chack if the right image is installed? Maybe through the konsole?
[14:26] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: wait
[14:26] <nag_> phoenix_firebrd: are you busy with full of quiries
[14:26] <nag_> ?
[14:27] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: check if muon is installed
[14:27] <akis> how can i do this?
[14:28] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in konsole run "muon"
[14:28] <akis> ok. so i choose N to finish with upgrade and proceed with muon?
[14:29] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: after the disk checks, run this command"sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and see if that solves the sleep-lid problem
[14:29] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: why ?
[14:29] <nag_> ok thnx
[14:30] <akis> i onpende a new winodow
[14:30] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: is the upgrade process asking any quetions?
[14:30] <phoenix_firebrd> nag_: yw
[14:30] <akis> muon package manager opened
[14:31] <akis> and is running
[14:31] <akis> it asks yes or no for a restart
[14:31] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: check if the latest linux-image is installed
[14:32] <akis> i pressed no but it didnt went to the prompt.
[14:32] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: press n
[14:32] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: thats ok
[14:32] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522680/
[14:32] <akis> on kernel and Modules?
[14:33] <akis> <IP_ADDRESS> = installed
[14:33] <akis> i think that is GREAT. isnt it?
[14:36] <akis> do i proceed with a reboot?
[14:36] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ya reboot
[14:37] <akis> ok. see you in mins.
[15:02] <akis> hi again. the good news is that the system restart and load normally. tha bad news is that i lost interent connection.  the system doesnt recognizemy usb wireless device.
[15:03] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: i am having my dinner, can you wait?
[15:04] <akis> yep. in the meantime i am looking for issues and fix them. good apetite.
[15:04] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ty
[15:16] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: are you there?
[15:16] <akis> yes i am here through my win7 system using mIRC
[15:17] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: openoffice work?
[15:17] <akis> i just fixed my kmail2rc using old kmailrc and i have the memories of my recent e-adresses
[15:18] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ok
[15:18] <akis> no the openoffice doesn't seem to be worked. the files open with libreoffice. is there any way to force them to open only with openoffice?
[15:18] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: you are working from the same system that has the kubuntu installed now?
[15:19] <akis> i have it in front of me
[15:19] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: thats good
[15:19] <akis> but no interent connection now
[15:19] <akis> because cannot see my usb wireless card
[15:19] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: do you know how to change file associations?
[15:20] <akis> hm. under windows i sure. but under linux i dont think so, or i dont remeber. could you help me?
[15:22] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: right click the document file you want to open with openoffice, then select properties, in the properties dialog click the wrinch icon
[15:23] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in the dialog can you find the application preference order?
[15:23] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in the dialog can you find the "application preference order"?
[15:23] <akis> OO isnt in the programs i can use to open files like *.ods or *.odt
[15:24] <akis> ok, wait
[15:24] <maco> you have libreoffice AND openoffice?
[15:25] <akis> i put OO in the options but still opens Libre!
[15:30] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: how did you put?
[15:32] <akis> properties/type/addselectother program/openoffice.org and i put it first
[15:34] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: still it opens with libreoffice?
[15:35] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: use my nickname
[15:35] <akis> yep. althoug it says its oo
[15:36] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can you open openoffice from kmenu?
[15:36] <akis> forget for  now this issue. the serious problem is that the system doesnt recognize usb wireless card and the cdrom.lets see what we can to for these issues.
[15:36] <akis> there isno oo in kmenu!
[15:37] <akis> on Lo
[15:37] <genii-around> rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Mar  1 07:03 /usr/bin/openoffice.org -> libreoffice
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can you see your wireless device on running this command "lsusb"
[15:39] <akis> probably yes. is Zydas 802.11g. must be wireless isnt it?
[15:39] <akis> @genii.  explain plz
[15:40] <akis> it says points to Libreoffice
[15:40] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: alt+F2 -> associatio
[15:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: hi
[15:40] <Daskreech> hi phoenix_firebrd
[15:40] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: ??
[15:41] <genii-around> akis: When *buntu went to libreoffice from openoffice, the old openoffice.org binary was pointed to the new libreoffice binary instead
[15:41] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: do you see the network manager icon on the system tray?
 akis: do you know how to change file associations? <-- I read as an inquiry that you were trying to find out instead of you giving help. Sorry
[15:42] <phoenix_firebrd> genii-around: so you mean openoffice is like a meta package?
[15:42] <akis> @daskr. the same procedure from here too.
[15:42] <Daskreech> genii-around: Sneaky. So you can't install both from the repos at the same time? They conflict?
[15:42] <akis> @phoenxi. no network manager. thats the point!
[15:42] <Daskreech> akis: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed ?
[15:43] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: goto system settings
[15:43] <akis> kde yes
[15:43] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: there goto startup and shutdown
[15:44] <akis> ok. add program?
[15:45] <akis> all ae checked.
[15:45] <akis> are
[15:45] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: then to service manager on the right panel, then on the right in the startup services see if the "network manager user settings service is running"
[15:45] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: then to service manager on the right panel, then on the right in the startup services see if the "network manager user settings service" is running
[15:45] <akis> all options are checked.
[15:46] <akis> but i dont see it in system tray
[15:46] <genii-around> Daskreech: Maybe if you installed OO second
[15:46] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: all options might be checked, but check the status if its running
[15:47] <Daskreech> genii-around: I'd just drop it in /opt
[15:47] <akis> it says running
[15:47] <genii-around> Daskreech: Yeah, or /usr/local
[15:47] <Daskreech> Currently I don't think that there is that much difference between them to fuss about it
[15:48] <akis> k, ok we can live with libre too, or maybe find the solution to make OO works
[15:49] <Daskreech> akis: do you have a /dev/cdrom ?
[15:49] <akis> NO!
[15:50] <genii-around> Is it a usb cdrom?
[15:51] <akis> no. on board. (the pc is a laptop)
[15:51] <genii-around> Is there a /dev/sr0 ?
[15:51] <Daskreech> that was my next question
[15:51] <akis> no
[15:51] <Daskreech> then /dev/dvd
[15:52] <akis> no
[15:52] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: see if you have any wlan when you run this command "iwconfig"
[15:53] <akis> no wlan, but i got some answers
[15:55] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: run this command "sudo ip link set wlan0 up" after that run "iwconfig" now see for wlan again
[15:57] <akis> no connection.
[15:58] <akis> why network managerdoesnot appear in my system tray?
[15:58] <akis> @daskr anything  else for cd/dvd rom?
[16:00] <DeltaLink> Are you using a kde desktop or something else?
[16:00] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: from the krunner run "kdesudo NetworkManager"
[16:02] <akis> well. it asked me for pass as at previous version, but i still dont see it in system tray
[16:03] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can you reboot once more?
[16:04] <akis> sure
[16:04] <akis> rebooting
[16:07] <akis> no networkmanager on system tray
[16:07] <azbarcea> hi does anyone knows how to change qgit qml or something like that to have the diff window use no transparency?
[16:08] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: install wicd-kde
[16:08] <kvaks_> Using the scrollwheel on the desktop switches the virtual desktop (next/prev probably). I'm triggering this by accident all the time. How can I disable it?
[16:08] <akis> how?
[16:08] <akis> using muon?
[16:09] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ya
[16:10] <akis> in which category can i find it?
[16:10] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: all
[16:10] <mydogsnameisrudy> just type wicd in search window
[16:11] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: are you using muon-installer?
[16:11] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: does the title say software center?
[16:12] <akis> i found wicd (plain). there are some other also wicd (cli, gtk etc)
[16:14] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can you find "wicd-kde"?
[16:14] <akis> there n wicd-kde version
[16:15] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can you open the system activity i.e the task manager?
[16:16] <akis> system monitor is ok?
[16:16] <akis> networkmanager is running!
[16:16] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: search for "muon", do you find a process called muon-installer?
[16:17] <akis> yep. just muon
[16:18] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in konsole run this command "sudo apt-get install wicd-kde"
[16:18] <DeltaLink> Under system tray settings, is network managment checked?
[16:19] <lemon24> hello! is this an appropriate place to ask some advice about a problem i'm having?
[16:19] <akis> unable to locate package wicd-kde
[16:20] <mydogsnameisrudy> whats your problem lemon24
[16:20] <DeltaLink> Feel free to ask, you might get an answer depending on how many are active here and how difficult the problem is
[16:21] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in muon goto settings menu -> configure software sources
[16:22] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in the first tab, is the second option ending with (universe) checked?
[16:22] <lemon24> when i try to adjust brightness, either via the battery monitor menu either via xbacklight the brightness/backlight starts to flicker, the cpu usage skyrockets and in about 10 seconds the computer freezes
[16:23] <akis> i checked all
[16:23] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: was the second option ending with (universe) checked?
[16:24] <dougl> hello - what's new folks...
[16:24] <DeltaLink> What type of computer is it lemon24?
[16:25] <lemon24> there are two things that might have caused this: first, i removed quiet nosplash from /etc/default/grub (and ran update-grub2); however, things are the same after i changed it back
[16:25] <lemon24> a samsung laptop
[16:26] <lemon24> second, i tried disabled (and then enabled back) the themed login
[16:26] <lemon24> *w/o "tried"
[16:26] <DeltaLink> Does it have an ATI graphics card?
[16:27] <lemon24> no
[16:27] <lemon24> intel + nvidia
[16:27] <akis> ok.now there is a wicd-kde available. proceed?
[16:27] <lemon24> i'm using bumblebee
[16:27] <phoenix_firebrd> akis:akisya install
[16:28] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ya install
[16:28] <lemon24> i suspect the themed login thing borked things up, because all the fonts were reset to the default (Ubuntu) after that
[16:28] <lemon24> (and are now, after every login)
[16:29] <DeltaLink> That combination has been troublesome in the past, I don't think I would be any help with a Nvidia card either.  I'll take a look through some of the recent bug reports.  Your using Kubuntu 12.04, right?
[16:29] <lemon24> yes
[16:29] <akis> some packagescannot download!
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: oh i forgot
[16:30] <lemon24> everything worked fine before today...
[16:30] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: you dont have internet yet
[16:30] <akis> oh yes!!!
[16:30] <DeltaLink> What was the last thing that you did before the errors started occurring?
[16:31] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can you connect you system through ethernet temperoraly?
[16:31] <akis> at least its not a new issue!
[16:31] <akis> yep. wait
[16:32] <DeltaLink> Do you have nomodeset as a kernel boot parameter?
[16:33] <lemon24> i disabled the themed login; i restarted X; the fonts were reset; i enabled the themed login; i restarted X; i noticed the problem
[16:34] <Daskreech> !tab | akis
[16:34] <lemon24> can you tell me where to look for the nomodeset thing, please?
[16:34] <Daskreech> kvaks_: Mouse actions
[16:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: i had been asking this for a long time
[16:35] <phoenix_firebrd> to akis
[16:35] <jdrs> a
[16:36] <Daskreech> dougl: Alpha 3!
[16:36] <DeltaLink> It can be found in /etc/default/grub
[16:36] <lemon24> no: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[16:36] <akis1>  why we didnt think before to connect ethernet?
[16:36] <dougl> Daskreech, oops :)
[16:36] <akis1> ethernet is running ok
[16:37] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: its a human error
[16:37] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: so can you install wicd-kde now?
[16:37] <Daskreech> kvaks_: right click the desktop-> desktop settings -> mouse actions -> mouse wheel
[16:37] <akis1> yes sure. so lets go.
[16:38] <akis1> muon is like Yast (opensuse)!
[16:39] <lemon24> Daskreech: should i add it?
[16:39] <Daskreech> lemon24: hmm?
[16:40] <lemon24> Daskreech: sorry, mistaken you for DeltaLink
[16:40] <spawnie> when I connect my android phoen to my computer via usb, I can't seem to mount it on linux
[16:40] <DeltaLink> you could try updating the grphics card with Ubuntu-x-swat (sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates ) or look into "ppa:bumblebee/stable".  Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with that type of graphics card combination to be of any help.  Maybe someone else can give you better help.
[16:41] <Daskreech> spawnie: some of them require you to turn on debug
[16:41] <spawnie> Daskreech: thanks
[16:41] <Daskreech> akis1: nothing is like yast
[16:41] <DeltaLink> A lot of people have had problems with this in the past and I can't see anywhere where that problem has been solved yet
[16:42] <akis> i send "like"!
[16:42] <spawnie> Daskreech: nope, still no luck...
[16:43] <akis> well wicd-kde is installed
[16:43] <spawnie> Daskreech: dmesg shows a usb device being connected, but no mention of a /dev/sd{x} node
[16:44] <akis> i can see it in my kde menu
[16:44] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: run that
[16:44] <akis> do i have to start it>
[16:44] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ya
[16:44] <akis> client or network manager?
[16:44] <Daskreech> spawnie: #android ?
[16:45] <spawnie> Daskreech: arlight
[16:45] <Daskreech> spawnie: I guess you already told it to go to mass storage mode?
[16:45] <spawnie> Daskreech: I think it did that automatically, I can't seem to find it though
[16:45] <spawnie> find that setting even
[16:46] <akis> network manager says no wireless networks found!!!
[16:46] <lemon24> DeltaLink: thanks a lot for your help!
[16:46] <Daskreech> Most of the ones I've used have abutton in the notify section that says USB Mass Mode
[16:47] <spawnie> Daskreech: heck I think it's in mtp mode
[16:47] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: what is your usb wireless device name?
[16:47] <Daskreech> spawnie: Ah..Umm. try camera:/
[16:48] <akis> the strange think is that if i switch of wireless the red light of my device gets off, if i switch on is getting on, but cannot recognize it!
[16:48] <spawnie> Daskreech: found the setting, it's in USB mass storage mode now.  Thanks man
[16:49] <Daskreech> spawnie: Boo yah!
[16:49] <akis> is a tp-link usb device but the system recognize it as Bus 001 Device 012: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS ZD1211B 802.11g
[16:50] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: in the system activity i.e the task manager can you see process called NetworkManager
[16:51] <akis> wait i will add it as Zydas. No activity in system tray.
[16:52] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: did you try unplugging the usb device and plugging it again?
[16:53] <akis> yes twice
[16:53] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: wait
[16:54] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: is your wireless network a hidden one?
[16:56] <akis> yes it is. passwor and mac filter protect it
[16:57] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can you config accordingly in wicd?
[16:58] <akis> sure. but first i disable pass to make an open connection
[16:58] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ok
[17:02] <akis> the problem isnt the negociation with my modem the problem is that my device cannot detect any wireless system.
[17:04] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: you mean you can detect the router or the gateway?
[17:04] <akis> no. not my router. not any other router in my neighbourhood
[17:05] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: paste the output of "iwconfig"
[17:07] <akis> lo        no wireless extensions     eth0      no wireless extensions.
[17:09] <akis> well. forget the previous.
[17:09] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522764/   this is the right one
[17:10] <akis> why it says off?
[17:12] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: paste the output of "lsmod"
[17:13] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522770/
[17:19] <akis> well?
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: the driver seems to be loaded
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: something wrong with the config
[17:20] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can you see a small arrow need the time in the bottom panel?
[17:21] <akis> sure something is wrong but what and why. under 10.04 was no prob and also with any live CD there was no prob
[17:21] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can you see a small arrow near the time in the bottom panel?
[17:21] <akis> no. what arrow?
[17:21] <DeltaLink> I'm trying to configure/build the new 3.5 kernel for a server and was wondering if it possible to set the Timer Frequency below 100Hz with a patch (similar to how the Kolivas patch allows for 10,000Hz) as it only allows for 100Hz as a low.
[17:23] <akis> do you mean the arrow for download updates?
[17:24] <akis> or hte arrow which hides some other programs?
[17:24] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: right click the system tray and select "system tray settings"
[17:25] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: done?
[17:25] <akis> oh yes, yes yes
[17:26] <akis> network manager is here!!!
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: where?
[17:26] <akis> wait i fix it. we dont need wicd anymore. wait
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: ok
[17:33] <bigsky> what is the difference between these desktops?
[17:33] <bigsky> http://iyanwu.com/pastebin/showthread.php?tid=1645
[17:35] <phoenix_firebrd> bigsky: k=kde, x=xfce, l=lxde
[17:35] <phoenix_firebrd> kvaks_: ubuntu-desktop , unity and gnome
[17:35] <phoenix_firebrd> oops
[17:35] <phoenix_firebrd> bigsky: ^
[17:35] <daniel____> bigsky: Easy, the first runs Unity (crap) edubuntu is jsut a bunch of educational packages but the one suffixed with kde uses kde as default desktop, xubuntu uses xfce (ok at best) lubuntu = lxde (for pentium 2's and other obsolete stuff ) and kubuntu  = kde (absolutely best desktop environment) My bias is obvious
[17:36] <daniel____> phoenix_firebrd: Damn you beat me to it.
[17:36] <phoenix_firebrd> daniel____: your's is enlightning
[17:36] <DeltaLink> lxde is for really low memory computers, xfce slightly heavier, and kde and ubuntu are the heaviest.  In my experiences, kde is easiest to customize
[17:37] <akis> i am here again. wireless is workin fine. i lost the connction for a while because unplugging the ethernet i unplugged power too and the router rebooted. now everything is ok. let;s find a solution for cd/dvd rom
[17:38] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: thats good, dont forget to uninstall wicd
[17:38] <daniel____> DeltaLink: I'd actually haphazard to say that kde isn't as best as unity and gnome shell and once you get over the initial strigi file indexing and nepomuk set-up its not bad. Plus there is a low fat package in the repository. Apparently it makes a big difference for some people
[17:39] <akis> i will. i want to ask you first, but you caught up
[17:41] <phoenix_firebrd> akis:  what wrong with the dvd?
[17:41] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522782/
[17:44] <DeltaLink> I guess I was a bit misleading, kde definitly uses less than unity and gnome 3.  It's about the same as gnome 2 before kde is configured. Kde can run just as fast as xfce on a modern machine once adding the lowfat package and removing extra services such as indexing.
[17:45] <DeltaLink> It allows for desktop rendering to be switched from opengl to xrender, I'm not sure if the other desktops even allow for this.  Xrender would be good for low end integrated intel graphic cards (such as the Intel Graphics HD 3000 series)
[17:46] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: is there any disc inside the drive?
[17:48] <akis> no
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: put some disk inside it
[17:48] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: after that paste the output of "df"
[17:50] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522800/
[17:52] <DeltaLink> How about mouse polling rate, does anyone here know how to lower this?  Does this have to be done through recompiling the kernel?
[17:52] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: can we do this tomorrow?
[17:55] <akis> difficult. i am leaving for holidays. no internet connection there -:(
[17:56] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: open muon and see if hal is installed>
[17:56] <genii-around> DeltaLink: I think xset has some options for this
[17:56] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: its mid night here
[17:56] <akis> hal is installed
[17:57] <genii-around> ( that or xinput )
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: uninstall it and do a reboot
[17:59] <DeltaLink> Thanks genii-around, it worked
[17:59] <genii-around> DeltaLink: You're welcome
[18:00] <akis> ok. unistallation ok. going for a reboot
[18:03] <lemon24> DeltaLink: i tried the acpi_brightness thing and it works, partially: the maximum brightness is only about half of maximum real one...
[18:03] <lemon24> i
[18:03] <lemon24> i
[18:04] <DeltaLink> So you only have access the the first half of your settings?
[18:04] <akis> i am back
[18:05] <lordievader> Good evening
[18:05] <lemon24> yes
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: what happened? is the dvd drive showing up?
[18:05] <DeltaLink> but your  able to change it now at least, right?
[18:06] <lemon24> yes
[18:06] <DeltaLink> I'm just reading up the settings from "https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Backlight" to see if there is anything of use here
[18:06] <daniel____> DeltaLink: HD3000 runs OpenGL withought a hitch. No need for XRender by the way, in 12.04 no effects have failed but in 11.04 I had two effects that were problematic. I have an optimus laptop :-(
[18:07] <akis> no. the same message form k3b and i cannot see the cd in dolphin
[18:08] <lemon24> i'm thinking of installing samsung-backlight (although it didn't work well in the past and i don't think it does what i need -- i think it corrects the key bindings or something)
[18:08] <DeltaLink> Sometimes XRender runs faster than opengl for older GPUs was why I mentioned it earlier daniel.  It's good to hear that they fixed the effects issue from 11.10.
[18:09] <lemon24> i didn't mention the power settings know and the keys never worked; i changed the brightness with xbacklight...
[18:09] <DeltaLink> I'm was just trying to remember what the samsung acpi package was called, it gave functionallity once installed
[18:09] <lemon24> * the knob worked, only the keys didnt
[18:11] <DeltaLink> Do you mean that the knob worked completely (all brightness settings were accessable) and it's just the key combination that doesn't
[18:11] <lemon24> again, the knob did what it supposed to do
[18:11] <lemon24> but
[18:12] <lemon24> when i released it the brightness remained at the desired level
[18:12] <lemon24> however, while sliding it, the backlight would flicker between the maximum level and the desired one
[18:13] <lemon24> when i used the keys, the backlight would flicker too, but it would go to max after releasing the key
[18:13] <DeltaLink> Does xbacklight -inc #(some value here to increase) or xbacklight -dec #(again, some value here) work correctly
[18:14] <DeltaLink> The dec for decrease
[18:14] <lemon24> without acpi_backlight no
[18:14] <lemon24> i didn't try going to the max with it
[18:15] <lemon24> (100)
[18:15] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: run this command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and try a reboot
[18:16] <lemon24> i'll reboot to see how xbacklight works
[18:16] <lemon24> back in 5
[18:19] <akis> i did it and i am going for a reboot
[18:20] <lemon24> i'm back; xbacklight doesn't work
[18:20] <lemon24> (the maximum brightness is still half)
[18:23] <akis> still nothing. no responce.
[18:24] <DeltaLink> I'm not sure what would be causing this.  I'm assuming since you can change your brightness you don't have "nolapci" in your kernel boot parameters.  It was what was used to solve a similar issue with Thinkpads in previous versions of Ubuntu, but like I said it could be a number of things causing this.
[18:26] <lemon24> if the samsung thing doesn't work i'll try reinstalling kubuntu
[18:29] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: do you have a xorg.conf in /etc/X11/?
[18:31] <akis>  xorg.conf.failsafe only
[18:32] <lemon24> whoa... the samsung thing works
[18:32] <lemon24> with the brightness at least
[18:33] <DeltaLink> What did you do, intall the samsung-tools package?
[18:33] <lemon24> yes
[18:34] <DeltaLink> So you have all your default brightness settings and keybindings working now?
[18:34] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: i have no idea how to solve you issue, you better ask for help in here, someone will help you. I have to go now
[18:34] <lemon24> except wifi yes
[18:34] <lemon24> :D
[18:35] <akis> ok. thank for your help till now. have a nice evening
[18:36] <lemon24> it seems the samsung support got better
[18:36] <phoenix_firebrd> akis: yw .sorry, i cant control my sleep, good night.
[18:36] <DeltaLink> Ok, to sum up everything: Kernel parameters added: "acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_osi=Linux acpi_brightness=vendor" and samsung-tools package was installed.  Am I missing anything?
[18:37] <lemon24> it's only "acpi_backlight=vendor acpi_osi=Linux"
[18:37] <lemon24> and samsung-backlight
[18:37] <akis> good night. i appreciated your care to solve the issue. good night. where are you writing form?
[18:37] <DeltaLink> ok, noted
[18:37] <akis> form?
[18:38] <akis> from?
[18:38] <lemon24> i'll install samsung-tools now, to see how the other stuff works
[18:38] <lemon24> thanks a lot
[18:38] <lemon24> :D
[18:38] <akis> is there any way to change my computers name i gave when i setup the system?
[18:42] <DeltaLink> Samsung-tools doesn't appear to be in the default sources, it can be found at: "https://launchpad.net/samsung-tools/"
[18:44] <akis> anyone can help to mount my cd/dvd rom?
[18:46] <DeltaLink> Akis, what displays when you enter "mount" into the terminal?
[18:46] <DeltaLink> Assuming you have the disc in the drive
[18:47] <DeltaLink> Does anything apear  under /dev/sr0
[18:48] <akis> http://paste.kde.org/522842/
[18:48] <akis> i have a disk in the drive
[18:50] <DeltaLink> Just a minute, I'm trying to figure out why it's not automounting.  Your using kde right?
[18:50] <lemon24> yes
[18:51] <lemon24> *yes, meaning i added ppa:voria/ppa
[18:53] <DeltaLink> Akis, can you try "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/sr0 /cdrom"
[18:55] <akis> mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist
[18:56] <DeltaLink> Create the folder sr0 in /dev with root permissions (example: kdesudo dolphin and create the folder in /dev)
[18:57] <DeltaLink> Wait, I made a mistake
[18:57] <DeltaLink> create a folde /cdrom, not /dev/sr0
[18:58] <DeltaLink> *folder
[18:59] <DeltaLink> That is, create a folder called cdrom in / with using root permissions
[19:00] <DeltaLink> I'm use to automounting, it's been a while since I've actually mounted a disc manually
[19:00] <DeltaLink> After you create the folder, you should be able to run that last command (sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/sr0 /cdrom)
[19:02] <akis> well?
[19:04] <DeltaLink> Normally on ubuntu it's: mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/cdrom /cdrom , but I think kde uses: mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/sd0 /cdrom.
[19:08] <DeltaLink> The weather is getting quite bad here, I'm going to have to go.  Good luck and your able to fix the mount error akis.  Normally Kubuntu (kde) automounts these, so check to see how people using Lubuntu mount disc might work too.
[19:08] <DeltaLink> I mean Good luck and hope your  able to fix the mount error akis
[19:20] <MountainX> I can't get Kgpg to run in Kubuntu 12.04. Is anyone else having this problem?
[19:21]  * dougl googles kgpg
[19:21] <MountainX> after 'apt-get install kgpg', when I select Kgpg from the menu, it tries to start, then goes away with no errors (but the process keeps running). The UI never shows up.
[19:26] <dougl> MountainX, not sure what to say = works/ed here... you do muon update manager?
[19:27] <MountainX> I do all apt stuff via the command line. I don't trust muon.
[19:27] <MountainX> my system is completely updated
[19:27] <dougl> but your updates are done? ... curious
[19:38] <MountainX> rebooting now... I'll check back
[19:53] <ilias> is there any way to change desktop ariya in splash screen?
[19:55] <ilias> the ariya backgorund i mean of the splash screen
[20:23] <ubuntu> penis
[20:23] <ubuntu> hello all
[21:56] <VanKush> hi folks, please how do I change the default session option in KDM?
[22:06] <kkerwin> Hi. I have a process that I am unable to kill with "kill -9 $PROCESSID", or "killall $PROCCESSNAME". Any ideas? The process is libreoffice.
[22:32] <VanKush> please, how can I specify which x session profile should be picked by KDM as "standard" default?
[22:37] <linuxdude> hello
[23:12] <pelgidium> somebody speak portuguese
[23:12] <pelgidium> ?
[23:12] <Unit193> !pt
[23:13] <pelgidium> tks
[23:22] <pelgidium> i have one entry duplicate in source.list, i make apt-get update and the error continue
[23:24] <pelgidium> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://downloads-distro.mongodb.org/repo/ubuntu-upstart/ dist/10gen i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/downloads-distro.mongodb.org_repo_ubuntu-upstart_dists_dist_10gen_binary-i386_Packages)
[23:24] <pelgidium> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://downloads-distro.mongodb.org/repo/ubuntu-upstart/ dist/10gen i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/downloads-distro.mongodb.org_repo_ubuntu-upstart_dists_dist_10gen_binary-i386_Packages)
[23:24] <pelgidium> i using apt-get upadate but the continue error