[12:15] <shadowhywind> i wont, i will let qtparted handle it, after i backup all the data. i will probabley just reformat it
[12:15] <runlevelten> much safer to back up your stuff and reinstall, to be painfully honest
[12:15] <Whiz2_> i use ntfs-3g on a daily basis with my linux server
[12:17] <shadowhywind> thanks for all the info
[12:17] <runlevelten> np =)
[12:18] <runlevelten> Greetings, Dark Lord :)
[12:20] <ijul> hello?
[12:20] <runlevelten> hello ijul
[12:21] <ijul> hey there, I'm looking for help with ndiswrapper
[12:21] <melkor> I just stuck on a usb 2.0 hub, and anything I jook to it gets power, but my computer wont create the appropriate device.
[12:21] <ijul> can you help me?
[12:21] <ijul> I have just plugged in a USB wifi network interface and successfully installed the windows driver with ndiswrapper, so far so good
[12:22] <ijul> but I must miss a step somewhere. It's plugged and detected, now what do I do to actually use it?
[12:23] <TeraDyne> ijul: "sudo ndiswrapper -m && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" Will activate ndiswrapper. It should show up in knetworkmanager.
[12:23] <melkor> ijul do you know the device name for it.
[12:24] <juhorner25> Just a quick question to the Linux programmers
[12:24] <TeraDyne> ijul: That will have to be entered in a Konsole window
[12:24] <juhorner25> What IDE or program do you prefer for C++ or Java?
[12:24] <juhorner25> Somebody recommended Anjuta IDE, what do you think?
[12:25] <ijul> ok, let me try, the first command (ndiswrapper -m) gives output: adding alias wlan0 ndiswrapper to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper
[12:25] <TeraDyne> juhorner25: Wrong channel. That's better suited for the developer channels. #ubuntu-devel or #kubuntu-devel
[12:25] <juhorner25> Oh okay
[12:25] <juhorner25> Sorry
[12:25] <runlevelten> anjuta is very good and simple for small projects
[12:25] <juhorner25> Thanks
[12:25] <r00t_> cd ui
[12:25] <r00t_> ls
[12:25] <ed__> i need some help.  my kubuntu 6.10 kde 3.5.5 xserver is coming up stuck in 640x480 mode.  System Settings->Monitor & Display says "Monitor & Display module could not be loaded". Possible reasons listed are that an error occurred during the last KDE upgrade leaving an "orphaned control module", or that I have an "old third party module lying around".  I didn't upgrade KDE but I had used Adept to install a few things since last reboot.
[12:25] <runlevelten> kdevelop is good, so is emacs
[12:25] <juhorner25> Thanks a lot runlevelten
[12:25] <juhorner25> Saved me a channel jump
[12:25] <juhorner25> :-D
[12:25] <runlevelten> eclipse and netbeans for java
[12:25] <ed__> anyone have any clues?
[12:26] <runlevelten> netbeans now is really coming into its own
[12:26] <runlevelten> definitely give that a shot
[12:26] <juhorner25> Is that java exclusive?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> ed__, sudo dpkg --configure -a,  in the konsole
[12:26] <BluesKaj> then relogin
[12:27] <runlevelten> well, not "exclusive" per se, but I only use it for java
[12:27] <juhorner25> Oh okay
[12:27] <runlevelten> it's much better than most now. Really quite good
[12:27] <mneptok> juhorner25: jEdit is in any smart Java dev's utility belt ;)
[12:27] <ed__> sweet, i will try that, thx blueskaj.
[12:28] <juhorner25> Well right now I use C++ and C#
[12:28] <juhorner25> I am taking 3 Java classes this year though
[12:28] <runlevelten> Well I use emacs which is great if you know it, and anjuta, and  kdevelop is quite good.
[12:28] <mneptok> juhorner25: http://jedit.sf.net
[12:28] <runlevelten> have you tried the mono IDE?
[12:28] <runlevelten> for C#
[12:29] <juhorner25> I'm just now making the jump to Linux and trying to bring over my programming with me
[12:29] <juhorner25> I really don't know any of the compilers or IDEs in Linux yet
[12:29] <juhorner25> I just heard about Anjuta
[12:29] <runlevelten> Yeah I figured from the question, which is why I would say anjuta's a good start
[12:29] <TeraDyne> JEdit... The only real GUI editor I use in windows. Well, unless you count GVim.
[12:30] <juhorner25> I used Visual Studio for my C# and Dev C++ for my C++ stuff
[12:30] <runlevelten> doesn't get in the way
[12:30] <ijul_> TeraDyne: it works
[12:30] <ijul_> thank you :)
[12:30] <runlevelten> anjuta is more like devc++
[12:30] <TeraDyne> ijul: No problem.
[12:30] <juhorner25> Sweet
[12:30] <ijul_> I have another question, though...
[12:30] <TeraDyne> ijul_: go ahead.
[12:30] <runlevelten> kdevelop isn't really like vs, but it does have more tools integrated than most IDEs
[12:31] <juhorner25> In the long run the most important thing for me is having a stable and reliable C++ compiler or IDE
[12:31] <juhorner25> Since that is what I will be doing the most
[12:31] <ijul_> I have two graphic cards sitting on my desk: an Nvidia quadro, which is quite old, but has good results on Beryl and Kubuntu in general
[12:31] <juhorner25> I will check out the ones you guys mentioned
[12:31] <juhorner25> Thanks a lot for the suggestions
[12:31] <runlevelten> and if you use Qt, the Qt GUI designer is as good as the vs one once you're used to Qt
[12:31] <ijul_> and an ATI radeon 7200, which is fairly recent in comparison, but it runs kinda slow with beryl, and even with KDE :s
[12:31] <runlevelten> stable reliable easy to get into = anjuta
[12:31] <runlevelten> np man - good luck
[12:32] <ijul_> so I would like to make clear once and for all, which do you think is best?
[12:32] <juhorner25> But will anjuta be able to handle larger programs?
[12:32] <ed__> BluesKaj:  no joy, totally rebooted but still stuck in 640x480 with same error message
[12:32] <juhorner25> As far as some game development?
[12:33] <TeraDyne> ijul_: I usually suggest the one that works best. In your situation, the Nvidia quadro.
[12:33] <BluesKaj> ed__, ok then try this ; sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:33] <runlevelten> well, define handle, heh
[12:33] <ijul_> TeraDyne: ok. Thanks :)
[12:33] <runlevelten> You won't get any massive problems, however if you want lots of integration for testing tools and stuff, kdevelop might be more up your street
[12:34] <juhorner25> lol well you did say it was for good for small projects
[12:34] <juhorner25> I'll test both of them out
[12:34] <ed__> ok, done,rebooting...
[12:34] <runlevelten> glhf
[12:35] <juhorner25> Thanks, take care every one
[12:37] <mido> hhh
[12:37] <TeraDyne> runlevelten: You said you use emacs. Is it hard to learn?
[12:38] <Timmm> yo?
[12:38] <Timmm> can anyone help me with ubuntu?
[12:38] <ed__> BluesKaj:  no joy
[12:39] <TeraDyne> Timmm: Ubuntu help is in #ubuntu
[12:39] <TeraDyne> Timmm: This is for Kubuntu
[12:39] <Timmm> ah thx
[12:39] <ed__> still stuck in 640x480
[12:40] <runlevelten> TeraDyne: not really
[12:40] <dave__> what does fiesty fawn mean? :o
[12:41] <runlevelten> you just need a cheat sheet. Also if you're a vi fan there are vi modes for it :)
[12:41] <TeraDyne> runlevelten: Ok. I'll give it a shot, then. I use VIM, so how hard could it be?
[12:41] <runlevelten> I think it's called "viper-mode"
[12:41] <TeraDyne> dave__: It's just a code name for the release.
[12:41] <Impy^> ahh :)
[12:41] <Impy^> k
[12:42] <TeraDyne> runlevelten: Ok. Thanks.
[12:42] <runlevelten> TeraDyne: it's a nice fun editor, IDE, kitchen sink etc
[12:42] <Impy^> is kopete the best for msn?
[12:42] <runlevelten> I do have zile installed for "just plain text editing" though
[12:42] <runlevelten> Zile Is Lossy Emacs ;)
[12:42] <TeraDyne> runlevelten: I don't need a kitchen sink. I've got one only two rooms away that works good enough. ;)
[12:42] <ADiCT3D> Hey guys!
[12:42] <darkcrash> bellaaaa
[12:43] <dustin_> i mix a whiskey drink
[12:43] <dustin_> i mix a vodka drink, and when i have to puke, i use the kitchen sink ;)
[12:43] <ADiCT3D> Can someone point me in the direction to convert mp3's to ringtones?
[12:43] <darkcrash> merda,,ma tutti inglesi?
[12:43] <runlevelten> TeraDyne: just don't type M-x tetris if you have anything to do, heh
[12:43] <TeraDyne> Tubthumper... I almost forgot that song...
[12:43] <darkcrash> italian ?
[12:43] <TeraDyne> runlevelten: Will do.
[12:43] <runlevelten> ADiCT3D: send them to your phone using bluetooth.
[12:44] <ADiCT3D> runlevelten: No i need to convert the mp3's into amr/mxff or sumtin format
[12:46] <runlevelten> depends on the phone. These days, try the mp3 first, heh.
[12:46] <ADiCT3D> i have and ogg and m4a and a ton others only wav works but i know amr does but wav makes MASSIVE huge files
[12:46] <ADiCT3D> it plays mp3's and m4a's and all that but it wont work for ringtones
[12:47] <runlevelten> wow, that's harsh
[12:47] <BluesKaj> ADiCT3D, use soundkonvertor for mp3 conversion from wav
[12:47] <runlevelten> what phone is that then?
[12:47] <ADiCT3D> BluesKaj: No, I need to convert FROM an mp3 file TO an AMR file, Nokia 6133
[12:48] <BluesKaj> why don't upu ask in the nokia chat?
[12:48] <bronze-> IMPORTANT: Is is safe to delete all folders in home directory starting with . ? The hidden configuration folders. I'm going to install another distro, so I'm just going to shut down the PC right after I delete the folders.
[12:49] <ADiCT3D> BluesKaj: This is linux...I need help with doing it in Linux..not a phone issue haha i could install winblows and buy an app to convert but i wanna do it on nix
[12:49] <Chousuke> bronze-: should be safe, if you want to lose all your settings
[12:50] <BluesKaj> mp3s are mp3s , whether they're in windows or linux
[12:50] <ed__> back for more clues... display still stuck in 640x480, System Settings -> Monitor & Display still says module Monitor & Display could not be loaded.
[12:50] <Chousuke> BluesKaj: he doesn't want mp3s
[12:50] <Chousuke> I wonder what those AMR files are.
[12:51] <flake> can i create another user on my box and cut down on all the services I don't need in order to make it a gaming rig, or are the services universal no matter who is logged in?
[12:51] <ADiCT3D> BluesKaj: Dude...i dont care about the input format i need to convert an mp3/wav INTO an amr file..and i need help doing so..cause i tried several things and i cant find an app that will do it
[12:51] <Chousuke> ADiCT3D: do you have any amr files at hand?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> ed__, looks like you may need to reconfigure you xorg.conf file
[12:51] <ADiCT3D> Chousuke: Only on my phone i cant send em
[12:52] <Chousuke> ADiCT3D: could you move them to your computer?
[12:52] <ed__> BluesKaj, how?
[12:52] <Chousuke> So that you could run the "file" utility on one of them
[12:52] <Chousuke> to know what format they are
[12:52] <ADiCT3D> Chousuke: Dont think so its in phones memory
[12:52] <Chousuke> hmm :/
[12:52] <ADiCT3D> Chousuke: http://rudd-o.com/archives/2006/09/18/convert-wav-mp3-files-to-amr-in-linux-using-gstreamer/ That wont work
[12:52] <BluesKaj> ADiCT3D, tha's why i suggested you goto a chat theat has something to do with the destination file..like perhaps your phone ..nokia ..get it ?
[12:53] <Chousuke> ADiCT3D: how does it fail?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> ed__, in the terminal : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:53] <ADiCT3D> Chousuke: Cant find the amrnbenc cmd
[12:54] <ed__> i'll try that, thx!
[12:54] <Chousuke> ADiCT3D: did tyou install gstreamer-plugins-ugly?
[12:55] <Impy^> how do i know which version of kubuntu i'm using? :o
[12:55] <ADiCT3D> Ch
[12:55] <ADiCT3D> Chousuke: Yes
[12:55] <Chousuke> ADiCT3D: or rather, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[12:56] <Chousuke> get that one and try again
[12:57] <ADiCT3D> going to reinstall
[12:57] <ADiCT3D> i had both gstreamer .8 and .10 installed
[12:57] <K-Ryan> !version | impy^
[12:57] <ubotu> impy^: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[12:57] <Chousuke> ADiCT3D: shouldn't matter.
[12:57] <Impy^> shell = konsole?
[12:57] <K-Ryan> Correct
[12:57] <Goldy> hi
[12:57] <tino097> how to install PES 6 ? link to guide or something
[12:58] <facugaich> tino097: PES 6 works in linux?
[12:58] <Impy^> feisty :)
[12:58] <ADiCT3D> Chousuke: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "amrnbenc"
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Impy^, yes
[12:58] <Impy^> is fiesty the latest?
[12:58] <Impy^> cheers for that btw :)
[12:58] <Chousuke> ADiCT3D: hmm
[12:58] <Impy^> 7.04
[12:58] <K-Ryan> Yes Impy^, it is
[12:58] <K-Ryan> You're welcome ;)
[12:58] <Impy^> ahh k cheer s:)
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Impy^, offical release , yes
[12:59] <Impy^> :D
 i think so, iread on ubuntu forums that some guys managed to install
[12:59] <Chousuke> ADiCT3D: Then I don't know
[12:59] <Goldy> someone how speak french?
[12:59] <K-Ryan> !fr
[12:59] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:59] <runlevelten_> ffmpeg -i blablah.mp3  -ac 1 -f amr -acodec amr myoutputfile
[01:00] <ADiCT3D> runlevelten_: Unknown input or output format: amr
 i try with cedega but i think i have some premision isue problems with DVD rom
[01:00] <MidNight_SunRay> hi ppl
[01:00] <MidNight_SunRay> does anyone know how i can force KDE to mount my portable hd always on /media/LACIE, instead of sda1 or sdb1 ???
[01:01] <ADiCT3D> !fstab
[01:01] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[01:02] <MidNight_SunRay> ADiCT3D, ok
[01:02] <MidNight_SunRay> but what if it's sometimes called sda1 and some other sdb1 ?
[01:03] <ADiCT3D> MidNight_SunRay: you dont need that you need the /dev adress if it changes that just means another drive is in i do believe but can someone double check?
[01:03] <BluesKaj> tino097, do you have libdvdcss2 installed ? it may help
[01:04] <MidNight_SunRay> i gues you're right ADiCT3D
[01:04] <MidNight_SunRay> so do i just need to plug it in for first?
[01:04] <ADiCT3D> MidNight_SunRay: best way to find out is to open like gparted yes you need it plugged in but fstab should be used for drives that dont move imo
[01:05] <ADiCT3D> MidNight_SunRay: If you unplug it sometimes i'd just create a mount script
[01:05] <MidNight_SunRay> ADiCT3D, which kind of script?
[01:06] <ADiCT3D> MidNight_SunRay: a bash script dot sh file..im a noob when it comes to scripts :P
 i dont have that libary, where to found?
[01:08] <runlevelten> right, I must go to bed.
[01:08] <BluesKaj> !libdvdcss2
[01:08] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:08] <runlevelten> ADiCT3D: there was something wrong with the command I gave you. It should work if you fix it up, no time to play with it now though
[01:09] <runlevelten> sorry about that man
[01:09] <ADiCT3D> runlevelten: i dont know how haha im searching ubuntu forums
[01:09] <runlevelten> night all
thanks
[01:09] <BluesKaj> tino097, hope it helps
[01:10] <runlevelten> I'd love to help more, but there comes a time to spend time with the missus :)
[01:10] <runlevelten> night all... again, ha
[01:16] <Impy^> aha finally got windows files showing :D
[01:18] <bia> wie komm ich zum deutschen kanal?
[01:20] <ed__> BluesKaj:  I reconfigured xorg.conf.  Monitor & Display dialog returned, allowed 1024x768 selection, but res reverted to 640x480 on X restart...
[01:20] <bia> wie  komm ich zum deutschen chat?
[01:21] <AmyRose> !de | bia
[01:21] <ubotu> bia: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:21] <bia> i need help in german  langues
[01:21] <bia> danke, thanks, mercy
[01:21] <vzduch> s/mercy/merci/
[01:21] <AmyRose> bia: You're welcome, but you're always welcome to try here too in English :)
[01:22] <Impy^> is there a better alternative to kopete for msn on kubuntu?
[01:22] <AmyRose> Impy^: amsn
[01:22] <Impy^> is that better? :)
[01:23] <AmyRose> Impy^: Yeah, it's better than Kopete at MSN :)
[01:23] <Impy^> ahh k wicked will have a look for it now :D
[01:23] <Impy^> thanks :D
[01:23] <AmyRose> you're welcome, Impy^
[01:23] <AmyRose> It does custom smileys, voice clips, and webcams now too
[01:23] <Impy^> ahh class :)
[01:23] <Impy^> thanks :)
[01:24] <AmyRose> Yeah, I would use it more but I prefer Kopete because my friends are about evenly distributed among AIM, Yahoo, and MSN, so having a universal client is more suitable to me
[01:24] <Impy^> :)
[01:24] <Impy^> i love opensource fairplay :D
[01:24] <Impy^> it's sooo brilliant :)
[01:25] <Impy^> people working together for better and free software :D
[01:25] <BluesKaj> ed__, now you have to go into system settings/monitor and display/ admin mode/hardware drivers and find the drivers applicablke to your card and monitor and then you should be able to change you resolution.
[01:27] <r00t_> AHHHHH!!!!  a virus has infected my MBR can someone help me defeat this vile foe?
[01:28] <Minataku> !grub
[01:28] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:28] <r00t_> thanks
[01:28] <AmyRose> Impy^: Yeah, it's great :D
[01:28] <Minataku> That was a joke, BTW... I'm assuming you installed Windows after Kubuntu and the NTLDR chainloader is the virus XD
[01:28] <sandro__> salve
[01:29] <TeraDyne> Impy^: I found a KDE based MSN client. http://www.kmess.org/
[01:29] <sandro__> is there any italian?
[01:29] <AmyRose> Minataku: Yeah, Windows is a virus :P
[01:29] <r00t_> Minataku: yes windows was the virus i was refering to.
[01:29] <mneptok> !it > sandro__
[01:29] <Minataku> Ah
[01:29] <AmyRose> TeraDyne: It doesn't do as much as amsn though.
[01:29] <Minataku> Cool :3
[01:29] <sandro__> !it
[01:29] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:29] <AmyRose> TeraDyne: It's actually worse than Kopete
[01:30] <TeraDyne> AmyRose: It's still an alternative, though. It's best to know what choices you have. ;)
[01:30] <cs5> Is there anyone around that can help me setup dapper to use big desktop?
[01:30] <MarcC> cs5: big desktop?
[01:30] <Minataku> Dapper is OLD :o
[01:30] <AmyRose> TeraDyne: True...
[01:30] <Minataku> And do you mean Xinerama?
[01:31] <Minataku> To stretch one X11 desktop across two (or more) displays?
[01:31] <AmyRose> cs5: If you want to use Kubuntu as a desktop OS, you should try Feisty instead
[01:31] <TeraDyne> Minataku: Old isn't the term I'd use. Too lenient. XD
[01:32] <cs5> i cant install or upgrade to it.
[01:32] <Minataku> TeraDyne: Perhaps... "ass-old"
[01:32] <Minataku> :D
[01:32] <TeraDyne> Minataku: Better. XD
[01:32] <MarcC> dapper's still supported, right?
[01:32] <cs5> or i would be, three days of trying and multiple installs. They all freeze, and upgrading breaks my system BAD
[01:33] <TeraDyne> MarcC: Yes. I think it's 3 years of support after release date for Dapper.
[01:33] <Impy^> teradyne what's a kde based msn client?
[01:33] <cs5> ATI has me bangin my head off a wall as someone so elequently stated
[01:33] <TeraDyne> Impy^: http://www.kmess.org/
[01:34] <MarcC> cs5: tried any howtos?
[01:34] <Impy^> is that better than amsn?
[01:34] <cs5> All of them I think
[01:34] <TeraDyne> Impy^: No, but it's an option if you ever want to try it.
[01:34] <cs5> Nothing seems to go right. Maybe I am to new to this. I have been trying to deal with my video issues and upgrades at the same time.
[01:35] <Impy^> ahh k cheers i'll check it out
[01:35] <Impy^> amsn is very ugly :o
[01:35] <MarcC> cs5, can you get it working ok with *one* monitor?
[01:35] <r00t_> see you guys ive got a virus to defeat
[01:35] <cs5> Oh yes, beautifully.
[01:35] <cs5> i just need help setting up the multiple heads
[01:36] <cs5> thats to marcc
[01:37] <MarcC> cs5: I'm afraid I can't be of much help...I use large screens instead of dual-screen right now
[01:37] <cs5> np, ty for tryin
[01:37] <cs5> I guess i'll suffer with the virtual desktops
[01:37] <cs5> :(
[01:41] <cs5> how bout a camera issue....anyone, anyone?
[01:42] <cs5> says my port settings may be wrong, but it is a usb that is supposed to be no config neccesary
[01:43] <Biovore> usb (still picture) camera?
[01:43] <cs5> well still and video
[01:43] <MarcC> cs5: is this on first-use or have you tried it multiple times?
[01:43] <cs5> no, today is the first day on linux, works well on windows
[01:43] <cs5> linux finds it but wont lock it
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> whats the problem?
[01:44] <Biovore> cs5: is it a Mass Storage device or something custom?
[01:44] <cs5> naw, just a concord eye-q mini.Unable to initialize camera. Check your port settings and camera connectivity and try again.
[01:44] <cs5> just takes like 30 pics and some video
[01:45] <MarcC> ah, one of those little guys
[01:45] <cs5> yep
[01:45] <MarcC> might want to look up the hardware ID inside (not branding) and google that with linux as part of the query
[01:46] <cs5> alright
[01:46] <BluesKaj> cs5, is your camera more than 4 yrs old ?
[01:46] <cs5> mmmmm, no bout 3 though
[01:46] <cs5> Kubuntu picks it up ok like i said, but for some reason wont access it
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> cs5: did you try digiKam?
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> sometimes that will do it when konqueror won't
[01:47] <cs5> just the kubuntu dapper digital camera interface and tried to goto it camera:\
[01:47] <Biovore> cs5: http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html
[01:47] <BluesKaj> hmm...my old samsung camera smartcard couldn't be read by kubuntu or windows on this pc
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> cs5: oh... dapper.
[01:48] <cs5> lol....i know old....
[01:48] <cs5> :|
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> yeah, but it should still work. Do you have digiKam installed?
[01:50] <cs5> nosrednaekim: nope, going to get it.  Why don't the include the digikam docs by DEFAULT?
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I think they should include all docs by default
[01:57] <MarcC> developers like to separate packages to give them a better chance at improvement
[01:57] <MarcC> Sven is talking about doing that with certain parts of GIMP that are now integrated.
[01:58] <TeraDyne> MarcC: True, but I have to go out and install the docs. They should be in the release versions of the distro by default.
[01:58] <MarcC> it's a little bit of a pain for users, but that could probably be fixed by improving the usability of e.g. synaptic
[01:58] <Sanne> TeraDyne: Debian based distros mostly have very modular packages. I think it's ok, you can download only those packages you need.
[01:59] <cs5> thats ok, it isn't in my repositories that i can see
[01:59] <cs5> lol
[01:59] <TeraDyne> Sanne: ?
[01:59] <Sanne> yes?
[02:00] <TeraDyne> I mean that it's a pain to go out and get what should be in the distro by default. I don't mind it, but it's a PITA to be recording something and find out that the docs to the app you're talking about aren't there,
[02:01] <Sanne> TeraDyne: yes, that's annoying. But it would be very annoying to have to get the docs with no possibility *not* to install them. They can be very large.
[02:02] <Biteyni> hellO?
[02:02] <AmyRose> Hello, Biteyni
[02:02] <TeraDyne> Sanne: While true, if Kubuntu is going to be marketed to the other OS users, it needs to have the needed docs and help manuals. Otherwise, it's just going to anger those people.
[02:02] <Biteyni> hi, i was wondering if you could help me
[02:02] <AmyRose> !ask | Biteyni
[02:02] <ubotu> Biteyni: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:04] <Sanne> TeraDyne: I agree, but, as always, it's a matter of priorities. Make most things easy for new users and annoy the others, or vice versa :).
[02:04] <Biteyni> alright, I have tried installing ubuntu. i booted from cd and i chose the option "start ubuntu in safe graphics mode"
[02:04] <cs5> digikam sight only has repositories for edgy and feisty, does that mean im S.O.L.?
[02:04] <Biteyni> the screen stays black and doesn't load the desktop where the install icon is at
[02:04] <cs5> site*
[02:04] <TeraDyne> !info digikam dapper
[02:05] <ubotu> digikam: digital photo management application for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2~rc1-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 4077 kB, installed size 9724 kB
[02:05] <AmyRose> Biteyni: I'm assuming you tried the normal mode first; am I right?
[02:05] <cs5> ty teradyne
[02:05] <TeraDyne> cs5:  No problem
[02:06] <Biteyni> well this is my first time im following this: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu and im following the install to keep my windows partition
[02:06] <Biteyni> it told me to do "Start Ubuntu in safe graphics mode"
[02:07] <AmyRose> Biteyni: Well, that should only be used if the "Start or Install Ubuntu" option didn't work
[02:07] <Biteyni> o ok thankyou
[02:07] <AmyRose> you're welcome
[02:07] <Biteyni> so the regular option first
[02:07] <AmyRose> yeah, Biteyni, and let us know if you have any trouble with that mode :)
[02:07] <Biteyni> im new at this
[02:08] <Biteyni> so all the help i can get is good :)
[02:08] <AmyRose> Biteyni: I understand. I remember when I was a newbie too :)
[02:08] <intelikey> ok i'm ignorant, what is sdl ?
[02:08] <Doug_> Hey I'm a noob to Linux, tried a couple distros, but right now I'm downloading feisty fawn and was wondering where i could get tutorials and things like that on how to access the power of linux
[02:08] <Biteyni> thanks amyrose! thanks for helping me.. I tried searching the net for this answer! thanks sooo much! i will go and see if it works ill be back!
[02:09] <AmyRose> Biteyni: You're welcome
[02:09] <intelikey> Could not initialize SDL - exiting
[02:09] <intelikey> ?
[02:09] <AmyRose> intelikey: SDL is the most common library for writing games on Linuix
[02:09] <AmyRose> Linux*
[02:09] <AmyRose> intelikey: It's sort of Linux's equivalent to DirectX
[02:10] <intelikey> so why would qemu care about that ?
[02:10] <AmyRose> intelikey: Because Qemu uses SDL for input, video, and audio
[02:10] <ADiCT3D> US Supreme Court Rules No Free Speech for Students !!!!
[02:10] <_4strO> Doug_: all the ubuntu websites, wiki, forum, ...
[02:11] <Doug_> ok, thanks _4strO
[02:11] <intelikey> AmyRose then let me "assume" that qemu only works inside of X  ???
[02:11] <AmyRose> intelikey: It stands for Simple Directmedia Layer
[02:11] <AmyRose> intelikey: Not necessarily, if you have the svgalib support compiled in :P
[02:12] <AmyRose> intelikey: But Ubuntu's SDL packages do not have that
[02:13] <AmyRose> so you do need X unless you plan on recompiling SDL
[02:13] <intelikey> right.  so like i said...
[02:13] <AmyRose> intelikey: Sorry; I get overly technical sometimes :P
[02:16] <intelikey> bochs also requires X ....  hmmmm
[02:17] <TeraDyne> grr.. need "libkdcraw 0.1.1" to compile digikam 0.9.2... Anyone know if there's a package in the repos?
[02:17] <TeraDyne> If there is, I can't find it...
[02:17] <AmyRose> intelikey: Bochs is also painfully slow
[02:18] <intelikey> TeraDyne /msg ubotu find libkdcraw
[02:18] <TeraDyne> [19:18]  <ubotu> Package/file libkdcraw does not exist in feisty
[02:19] <TeraDyne> I guess that's a no. Time to get to work, then.
[02:19] <Sanne> TeraDyne: I can only find it for Gutsy (at packages.ubuntu.com)
[02:19] <TeraDyne> think I'd break anything if I installed it on my fiesty machine?
[02:20] <MarcC> if anything it wouldn't work because of lib versions
[02:21] <TeraDyne> Well... Worth a shot...
[02:22] <intelikey> heh it's just a package, what can it hurt   :)))
[02:22] <Dragnslcr> Famous last words
[02:22] <TeraDyne> intelikey: that's what I said last time, and I ended up having to do a complete reinstall.
[02:23] <Biteyni> Hello amy?
[02:23] <intelikey> TeraDyne so what did it "hurt"?   hehhe
[02:23] <Sanne> TeraDyne: if it wants to pull dependencies from Gutsy, I wouldn't install it.
[02:23] <Biteyni> AmyRose both options don't load the livecd desktop install thingy
[02:24] <intelikey> ah come on upgrade to the pre-alpha-planned release
[02:24] <TeraDyne> intelikey: No. Not when I have 3D accel working for once.
[02:24] <intelikey> Biteyni trubble with the installer ?
[02:24] <Biteyni> yes
[02:25] <intelikey> TeraDyne yeah i was 'josh'n'
[02:25] <intelikey> Biteyni old or new hardware ?
[02:25] <Biteyni> i tried first the option that: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/ told me
[02:25] <Biteyni> about 3-4 year old hardware
[02:25] <TeraDyne> II think I'll try to compile the lib from source...
[02:26] <TeraDyne> Maybe checkinstall will work with it.
[02:26] <Biteyni> im trying to keep current windows partition
[02:27] <Biteyni> and that link told me to do the start ubunutu in graphics mode option but loads to the black screen
[02:27] <Biteyni> it loads linux kernel and then takes me to a black screen and thats it..
[02:27] <Biteyni> nothing else loads
[02:27] <intelikey> Biteyni you should probably first boot windows and do a full scandisk and defrag   then you should be able to resize the partition
[02:27] <intelikey> Biteyni oh wait.
[02:28] <Biteyni> the desktop where install doesnt load..
[02:28] <intelikey> Biteyni you are not getting to the installer....   i see
[02:28] <Biteyni> yeah thats the prob
[02:29] <intelikey> more than one vidio card ?
[02:29] <Biteyni> all i get is options of Start or install ubuntu and Start Ubuntu in safe graphics mode
[02:29] <Biteyni> no just one card
[02:29] <Biteyni> this one has an intel graphics card
[02:29] <intelikey> you tried safe graphics mode   same thing ?
[02:29] <Biteyni> yup
[02:29] <TeraDyne> IT COMPILED! I have a package for it, too.
[02:29] <Sanne> TeraDyne: congrats!
[02:30] <Biteyni> i first tried safe graphics mode then i tried regular mode and same thing
[02:30] <Biteyni> at one point i did get something about graphics
[02:30] <Biteyni> but i dunno what to do.
[02:31] <intelikey> Biteyni you can probably install from the alternet install cd.    it's got a text mode installer.      you might try configuring the x server on the live cd to make sure you can get it working
[02:31] <TeraDyne> Now I need the new version of libkexiv2... Time to compile again.
[02:32] <Biteyni> yeah thats the error i got
[02:32] <Biteyni> something about x server
[02:32] <Biteyni> im new to all of this so i dunnow what the x server is
[02:32] <Biteyni> where is x server on load?
[02:32] <intelikey> Biteyni yeah the x server "xorg" is the "window system" of the linux world.
[02:32] <TeraDyne> Anyone know if it might be a wise idea to remove the libkexiv2 packages before I compile and run checkinstall for the new version?
[02:33] <intelikey> Biteyni how much ram is in that box ?
[02:33] <Biteyni> i know but i didn't get options for that i got something about press f4 for vga and f6 for more options
[02:33] <Biteyni> on that box is 256
[02:33] <Biteyni> rest of computers are fine and running ubuntu
[02:34] <intelikey> Biteyni no there wont be "options" you'll have to enter a console and issue the command     sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:34] <intelikey> !gui
[02:34] <ubotu> The graphical user interface (GUI) in Ubuntu is composed of many elements, including the !X server, a window manager, and a desktop environment such as !GNOME or !KDE (which themselves use the !GTK and !Qt toolkits respectively)
[02:34] <Biteyni> but it doesnt have termanal
[02:34] <Biteyni> i only get to the selction of what to do first
[02:35] <Biteyni> that screen when you first boot from cd
[02:35] <Biteyni> and you chose what option to do
[02:35] <Biteyni> and thats it
[02:35] <Biteyni> i dont ever get to that desktop or the install link or anything
[02:35] <intelikey> yes it does.      after it boots up  and the screen goes blank.   hit [alt] +[ctrl] +[f2]
[02:35] <cs5> anyone know why dapper and feisty are the only two downloads on the first ubuntu downloads page, what about edgy?
[02:36] <Biteyni> alright ill try that
[02:36] <Biteyni> brb
[02:36] <intelikey> Biteyni i can't promice that you'll see it but there is a console there
[02:36] <Biteyni> and when i configure the xserver what is it that i have to configure?
[02:36] <Biteyni> or i'll know when i see it?
[02:37] <intelikey> if you can access a console,  issue   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg     and answer the questions it asks
[02:37] <Biteyni> k
[02:37] <Biteyni> brb
[02:37] <drowningAndGrade> is byteyni installing a new graphics card?
[02:38] <Biteyni> no trying to install ubuntu
[02:38] <intelikey> drowningAndGrade no a new linux
[02:38] <Biteyni> brb then
[02:38] <Sanne> cs5: I guess because feisty is current, and dapper is LTS.
[02:38] <intelikey> drowningAndGrade its the ole liveCD boots to a blank screen    issue.
[02:39] <drowningAndGrade> i know i have no idea when that heppened to me when i tried to install one base
[02:39] <sergiusz_> hi
[02:39] <TeraDyne> You know, I now have more respect for the packagers than ever before. This is torture, trying to find the needed dependencies.
[02:40] <drowningAndGrade> i feel that when you use adept, tha packages get installed well
[02:40] <sergiusz_> just installed kubuntu - anyone knows how to make the use of "flag" keys?
[02:40] <intelikey> TeraDyne that's why so many distros "base on..."  rather than actually building a distro
[02:41] <TeraDyne> drowningAndGrade: I'm trying to compile a newer version of digiKam, and the dependencies are only in gutsy. I'm using Fiesty.
[02:41] <intelikey> sergiusz_ khotkeys
[02:41] <TeraDyne> intelikey: I can see why...
[02:42] <sergiusz_> thx
[02:42] <intelikey> it's also one reason i still like the idea of static/stand-alone apps
[02:42] <TeraDyne> intelikey: Like the ones they use for Klik?
[02:43] <intelikey> i'm not familear with klik
[02:43] <sergiusz_> thx & cu
[02:43] <drowningAndGrade> if you rob people your breaking the bible
[02:43] <TeraDyne> intelikey: http://klik.atekon.de/
[02:44] <TeraDyne> drowningAndGrade: What?
[02:45] <drowningAndGrade> im sorry nothng, i got paranoid of master evil;
[02:45] <Dragnslcr> !info khotkeys
[02:45] <ubotu> Package khotkeys does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:45] <TeraDyne> XD
[02:45] <TeraDyne> !info khotkeys edgy
[02:45] <ubotu> Package khotkeys does not exist in edgy
[02:45] <TeraDyne> O_O;
[02:46] <intelikey> !find khotkeys
[02:46] <ubotu> File khotkeys found in kde4base, kde4base-data, kdebase-bin, kdebase-dbg, python-poker2d
[02:46] <drowningAndGrade> is there a file that governs the keyboard input in the konsole?
[02:46] <drowningAndGrade> is there just one?
[02:46] <Dragnslcr> Hm, interesting
[02:47] <Dragnslcr> I wonder if khotkeys is any better than keytouch
[02:47] <intelikey> drowningAndGrade you might be able to adjust konsole input within konsole's menu  not sure.
[02:47] <draik> Does Photoshop CS2 work on Wine?
[02:47] <intelikey> Dragnslcr you have kde installed ?
[02:48] <drowningAndGrade> have you tried krita draik?
[02:48] <BluesKaj> what about Gimp ?
[02:48] <BluesKaj> !gimp
[02:48] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[02:48] <drowningAndGrade> the gimp is pretty too
[02:48] <TeraDyne> draik: I've heard of the older ones working, but nothing on CS2. Idn't there a list of what works and doesn't work in wine?
[02:48] <intelikey> !ps2
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ps2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <draik> !wine
[02:49] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:49] <draik> I ask because there is an icon for Tux Photoshop CS
[02:49] <Bazi> I've run CS2 in wine
[02:50] <drowningAndGrade> how do i find my portable hard drive enclosure?
[02:50] <Dragnslcr> intelikey- 3.5.7, yeah
[02:51] <drowningAndGrade> i want to put some3d levels on the internet before i apply anywhere and i cant find my usb portable hard drive any where in kubuntu
[02:51] <intelikey> Dragnslcr and konsole command  khotkeys   does what there ?
[02:52] <Dragnslcr> intelikey- I dunno, haven't tried it. I've been using keytouch, and it works well enough for me
[02:52] <mneptok> draik: do you need CMYK and separations?
[02:52] <drowningAndGrade> doesnt krita do cmyk?
[02:52] <Dragnslcr> Was just wondering aloud if khotkeys was any different/better
[02:53] <draik> Bazi: How? I usually get a crash
[02:53] <draik> If it even loads at all
[02:53] <draik> mneptok: I just want something to edit pictures as I did with PS CS2
[02:53] <Sloik> Speaking of Hard Drive enclosures, are there specific kinds I should look for to maximize compatibility with Linux?
[02:53] <mneptok> draik: Krita or GIMP
[02:54] <draik> GIMP and I didn't get along very well
[02:54] <Bazi> draik: It's been awhile since I last did it
[02:54] <Bazi> I ended up just moving to gimp or using my desktop for CS
[02:54] <mneptok> draik: only bxecause you want it to wear a Photoshop costume. women don't like it when you ask them to wear a full-head latex mask of your on the first date. ;)
[02:55] <mneptok> *of your ex
[02:55] <draik> They don't like latex? Well that explains so much... Sorry. If anyone's offended, my apologies.
[02:56] <TeraDyne> XD
[02:56] <drowningAndGrade> whats jlldo mean?
[02:56] <drowningAndGrade> excuse me
[02:56] <mneptok> draik: spend some time with the GIMP and try to approach it with a clear set of expectations.
[02:56] <TeraDyne> Dependencies... getto daze! Now to compile Digikam 0.9.2
[02:56] <phoenixz> I want to umount a directory, but umount says the directory is busy.. lsof | grep dirname shows me nothing though.. How can I see who / what is keeping that dir busy?
[02:58] <draik> Bazi: Where do I find CS2 with WINE?
[02:58] <mneptok> phoenixz: lsof +D /path/to/mount
[02:58] <drowningAndGrade> phoenix,can you do it with the jobs command?
[02:58] <phoenixz> mneptok, thanks!
[02:58] <Bazi> draik: What do you mean?
[02:58] <osiris76> irc://irc.abjects.net/045
[02:59] <draik> Bazi: When you used WINE, how did you access CS2?
[02:59] <drowningAndGrade> i cant find my usb portable hard drive anywhere
[02:59] <Sloik> drowningAndGrade: What is the HD formatted in?
[02:59] <drowningAndGrade> its a windows format
[02:59] <drowningAndGrade> the ntfs i think
[02:59] <drowningAndGrade> if thats it
[03:00] <Sloik> drowningAndGrade: OK, if it's in NTFS you may have to get an NTFS configuration tool. Try searching Adept. K Menu> Add/Remove Software.
[03:00] <sinequanon777> Hello Everybody!!!!!
[03:00] <Bazi> I forget how exactly I had it set up
[03:00] <drowningAndGrade> whats that tool called?
[03:00] <K-Ryan> !ntfs
[03:00] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:00] <Sloik> I've got one and it was just called "NTFS Configuration Tool".
[03:00] <K-Ryan> ntfs-3g or fuse
[03:00] <drowningAndGrade> thank you
[03:00] <Sloik> ntfs-3g was a dependency.
[03:01] <Sloik> Try searching Adept for NTFS and see what you find.
[03:01] <Lido> I upgraded to Feisty and now my USB mouse is all wonky.  I lose mouse control when A) I come out of suspend and B) I disconnect my USB hard drive (sometimes)
[03:01] <Lido> unplugging the mouse and plugging it back in fixes it.
[03:01] <Lido> until the next time
[03:02] <Sloik> Does anybody know a good Video Editor for Linux?
[03:02] <Sloik> I use Adobe Premiere now.
[03:03] <Lido> help, please?
[03:03] <Bazi> Sloik: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php
[03:03] <klobster> what is the hotkey combonation to pull up the current process list?
[03:03] <Sloik> Bazi: Thanks.
[03:03] <Bazi> no prob
[03:04] <Sloik> klobster: Ctrl+Esc.
[03:04] <klobster> ty
[03:04] <Sloik> Any time.
[03:04] <intelikey> what do you do to remove the listing for a package that isn't installed ?
[03:04] <klobster> I kept doing the windows equivalent, Ctrl+Shift+Esc
[03:04] <Sloik> Yeah.
[03:05] <intelikey> example: dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f-3 | grep -v ii
[03:05] <intelikey> ?
[03:05] <zipper> Anyone knows when a new version of KDE is comming in the repositories?
[03:06] <Dragnslcr> 3.5.7 is available
[03:06] <Dragnslcr> Dunno if there'll be a 3.5.8 or if they'll just wait until 4.0
[03:06] <zipper> thought 4.0 was out, but hadn't got into the rep..
[03:06] <Dragnslcr> No, 4.0 is still in alpha
[03:06] <zipper> ah
[03:06] <Lido> Did something change with udev in feisty?
[03:06] <zipper> so i dont suppose there is a release date yet?
[03:07] <Dragnslcr> I think they're aiming for October for a release
[03:07] <zipper> k
[03:07] <Sloik> How come I can't get 3D acceleration with the ati display driver that came pre-installed? Apparently my video card is too old for fglrx...
[03:07] <Dragnslcr> I don't think that would be soon enough for Ubuntu 7.10 though
[03:07] <TeraDyne> What repo is KDE 3.5.7 in?
[03:07] <Dragnslcr> TeraDyne- special one that they set up
[03:07] <intelikey> Lido something changed with the kernel, they started using 'scsi emulation'
[03:07] <klobster> kde <IP_ADDRESS> is stable or beta?
[03:07] <zipper> Sloik, i think there is a special driver for legacy cards
[03:08] <Dragnslcr> TeraDyne- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[03:08] <Lido> hmm...  That might explain the problems I'm seeing.. maybe.
[03:08] <TeraDyne> Dragnslcr: Riddell said no Gutsy KDE4 due to it not being out in time, and no Gutsy+1 because it's a Long-Term Support release.
[03:08] <intelikey> Lido or more specificly with the initramfs.img   older kernels could be set up that way too
[03:08] <TeraDyne> Dragnslcr: Thanks,
[03:08] <Dragnslcr> klobster- you mean 3.5.7?
[03:08] <klobster> oops 4:3.5.7
[03:08] <Lido> Is the scsi emulation for IDE or USB drives?
[03:08] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, 3.5.7 is an official release
[03:08] <klobster> ty
[03:08] <intelikey> Lido ide   usb was already using it
[03:09] <zipper> Sloik, i think its called fglrx-legacy, you have to download it and in stall it. Just like the normal driver i believe.
[03:09] <Dragnslcr> TeraDyne- that'd kinda suck if it isn't in 8.06, even if it isn't the default
[03:09] <Sloik> zipper: Cool, thanks, I'll look for it.
[03:09] <zipper> np
[03:09] <zipper> install*
[03:09] <TeraDyne> Dragnslcr: Something tells me it'll be in a special repo soon after it's released
[03:10] <Lido> intelikey  what's initramfs.img?  Is that what's used to come out of suspend?
[03:10] <Dragnslcr> TeraDyne- yeah, I would think so. If they did it for 3.5.7, they can obviously do it for 4.0
[03:11] <intelikey> Lido  less /boot/grub/menu.lst       hit /     and type init
[03:11] <intelikey> Lido or read all about it on the web.    or   man mkinitramfs
[03:11] <Hirvinen> TeraDyne: Riddell said that there wouldn't be KDE 4 even in Gutsy+1?
[03:12] <TeraDyne> Hirvinen: Not by default. It's in his talk at aKademy.
[03:12] <intelikey> Hirvinen sounds right
[03:12] <Dragnslcr> I can understand the default being 3.5.x, but I would imagine they'd at least have 4.0 in the main repository
[03:13] <intelikey> why in main ?
[03:13] <TeraDyne> http://akademy.kde.org/conference/programme.php < You can download the talks there. It's towards the bottom. Just use the "video icon" button.
[03:13] <Lido> intelikey All I have in my grub menu is initrd.
[03:13] <intelikey> should be in universe until it's stable   no?
[03:13] <Dragnslcr> Just so it's easier to install, instead of users needing to add a repository
[03:13] <Hirvinen> Yup, would be pretty weird not providing it. Even not having it as the default sounds weird, assuming 4.0 is released this year.
[03:13] <intelikey> Lido it's an initramfs image reguardless the name
[03:14] <Dragnslcr> Er, sorry. Didn't mean the 'main' repository. Meant the standard repositories
[03:14] <TeraDyne> Hirvinen: It makes more sense than you think. Gutsy+1 is a Long Term Support release. They'll want something more stable for it.
[03:14] <Dragnslcr> As opposed to 3.5.7, which is in a repository that you have to add manually
[03:14] <intelikey> Dragnslcr ah yes.
[03:15] <Biteyni> inteli couldn't setup the xserver but i did write down the errors
[03:15] <intelikey> Biteyni ok
[03:15] <Biteyni> first was Buffer I/O error on device sr0
[03:15] <Biteyni> then was SQUASHFS error
[03:16] <intelikey> ok that's scsi error not vidio
[03:16] <Biovore> disk failure..
[03:16] <intelikey> that's filesystem  on the live CD
[03:16] <Biteyni> and unable to read sb_bread
[03:16] <intelikey> so you burned a frisby/coster
[03:16] <Biovore> another scsi thing..
[03:16] <Hirvinen> TeraDyne: Well, yes. But also one would think that 3 years after it's release, they'd rather be supporting KDE 4 than 3.
[03:16] <Biovore> sounds like a dead disk.. burn slower..
[03:16] <Biteyni> i burned on hp cd's
[03:17] <Biteyni> i burned on 16x on an hp cd
[03:17] <Biovore> and check md5 sum after
[03:17] <Biteyni> so i'll burn at 8x and ill first check the md5 sun
[03:17] <Biteyni> but when i insert the cd it loads the free software thingy on windows
[03:17] <intelikey> Biovore should always burn installagion disks as slow as fiesablely possably and then run the disk test on the cd itsel
[03:17] <intelikey> f
[03:17] <Biteyni> so doesn't that mean its ok?
[03:18] <intelikey> Biteyni no that doesn't mean it's ok.  that means one file is ok
[03:18] <intelikey> Biteyni SQUASHFS error <<<< means the disk is faulty
[03:19] <Biovore> if the diskcheck (md5sum of the disk) match whats on ubuntu's site.. then its burnt good..
[03:19] <Biovore> else its bad..
[03:19] <Biovore> since you probably didn't select the verify option.. you can't tell if it was good or not..
[03:19] <draik> Where do I put icon images?
[03:20] <intelikey> where ever you want them ?
[03:20] <hero> anywhere you want.
[03:20] <Biovore> ~/.icons ussualy
[03:20] <hero> or /usr/share/icons
[03:20] <Biovore> ^ or there
[03:20] <hero> :D
[03:20] <intelikey>  /usr/share/something/something/
[03:21] <Biteyni> for nero i did verify data on cd
[03:21] <intelikey> but i would caution that any file not in your home dir should only be writable by root or special groups in some cases,       exception being /tmp
[03:22] <hero> what intelikey said
[03:22] <Biovore> hmm /tmp is my favorite dumping ground.. :-P
[03:22] <facugaich> How can I configure Kopete to automatically log-in?
[03:22] <Linracoon> any kubuntu kdebase developer around?
[03:23] <intelikey> Linracoon more likely to find them in #ubuntu+1  or #kde
[03:24] <drowningAndGrade> what is the utility that mounts usb portable ntfs hard drives
[03:24] <intelikey> if you don't want it or don't know what it is just put it in /dev/null for safe keeping...
[03:25] <intelikey> !ntfs
[03:25] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:25] <singinmatt13> I'm using a BCM4318 that's completely set up and working, but it recently has had trouble connecting to my WPA protected network.
[03:26] <singinmatt13> oops, i'm still here
[03:26] <intelikey> we enjoy updates and news flashes like that singinmatt13
[03:26] <intelikey> :)
[03:26] <singinmatt13> ok...well that was sort of a general prod for help
[03:27] <singinmatt13> typically people say "don't ask to ask"
[03:28] <singinmatt13> that was an accident.  ha. i understand why it looks weird
[03:28] <intelikey> i just found it ammusing.  no offence
[03:28] <hero> singinmatt13: don't worry about it. lots of wifi questions asked here
[03:29] <Sloik> OK, I've installed LAMP, but apache doesn't seem to be using PHP.
[03:30] <intelikey> !php
[03:30] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[03:30] <intelikey> there was a node on that at one time...   i'll look
[03:31] <Sloik> Thanks
[03:31] <intelikey> Sloik check the "trubble shooting" sections of that page
[03:31] <Biteyni> intelikey so i burn at slowest at possible?
[03:31] <intelikey> Biteyni yes.
[03:32] <ritznix> quicky question for the ultimate newbie how do i mount the dvd to play a movie
[03:32] <intelikey> Biteyni and when you first boot the cd select the test this cd option
[03:32] <Biteyni> alright i will
[03:32] <Sloik> intelikey: OK, thanks.
[03:32] <Biteyni> because on the cd ive been using that wouldn't even load
[03:32] <Biteyni> the test thing didn't load it just went to blank hehehe
[03:33] <intelikey> Biteyni that should be an indicator that something is wrong
[03:33] <Biteyni> well biteyni is slow :P
[03:33] <BluesKaj> ritznix, install libdvdcss2
[03:33] <Biovore> (which is illegal :-P )
[03:33] <BluesKaj> !libdvdss2 | ritznix
[03:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libdvdss2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:33] <intelikey> !dvd > ritznix
[03:34] <BluesKaj> !libdvdcss2 | ritznix
[03:34] <ubotu> ritznix: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:34] <MarcC> !dvd | ritznix
[03:34] <intelikey> !dvd > MarcC
[03:34] <MarcC> !dvd | intellikey
[03:34] <ritznix> i installed a totem player
[03:34] <MarcC> !dvd | intelikey
[03:34] <ubotu> intellikey: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:34] <ubotu> intelikey: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:34] <r00t_> how do i get feisty to read a sansdisk card form a digi cam?
[03:35] <BluesKaj> !codecs | everyone
[03:35] <ubotu> everyone: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:35] <MarcC> lol
[03:35] <ritznix> and i just had to open a location and i was going to like i belive mount the dvd drive ?
[03:35] <r00t_> i only have a few mins before my friend has to leave with her cam and really need the pics,so any advice would be great!
[03:35] <BluesKaj> I couldn't resist a bit of bot abuse this fine evening
[03:36] <Biteyni> intelli the slowest i can burn is at 8x is that good?
[03:36] <r00t_> !grub
[03:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:36] <r00t_> !sansdisk
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sansdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <r00t_> !sd
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <r00t_> sorry i had some bot abuse to do also
[03:36] <intelikey> r00t_ something like    sudo mount /dev/sda /media ;cp /media/* ~/Desktop
[03:37] <Biteyni> burning iso at 8x good?
[03:37] <Biovore> thats what I burn at..
[03:37] <intelikey> Biteyni wouldn't be on this 8x burner   1x would be  :)
[03:38] <facugaich> 8x = 11mb/s
[03:38] <Biteyni> the thing doesnt give option to go lower than 1x
[03:38] <Biteyni> lower than 8x i mean
[03:38] <Biteyni> 8x = 1.2 MB /s
[03:38] <intelikey> yeah but probably goes up to 56x or something
[03:38] <facugaich> Biteyni: CD or DVD?
[03:39] <Biteyni> burning on cd
[03:39] <facugaich> My mistake then
[03:39] <Biteyni> thats what this is no? a cd iso?
[03:39] <Biteyni> ah k
[03:40] <hero> if i want to install a postgres server, which pkg can i install that will trigger the rest of the depends?
[03:40] <hero> there's a bunch!
[03:42] <Biteyni> we cant check the md5 hash of a cd can we?
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> yeah, you can
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> I'm pretty sure.
[03:43] <Biteyni> with?
[03:43] <Hirvinen> Biteyni: I think md5sum /dev/cdrom would do it.
[03:44] <Biteyni> but i mean in windows?
[03:44] <ritznix> mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
[03:45] <hero> heh
[03:45] <ritznix> but would that count as the cd / dvd drive if i have a movie in there and the software to play it
[03:45] <hero> 'mount' would be a good nick
[03:45] <hero> of course, it's owned already
[03:46] <CaBlGuY> !m4a
[03:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:47] <intelikey> ritznix check for /dev/dvd     also -t auto is redundant if you dont specify -t then it's auto...
[03:51] <hero> can you get ubotu to msg someone with a factoid?
[03:51] <hero> ubotu, tell hero about nvidia
[03:52] <Biteyni> hero, tell biteyni about hero
[03:52] <ardchoille> hero: yes
[03:52] <_Iamda> when I'm on an IRC channel every few minutes while looking at the screen, there's an micro flash that's undetinguishable on right hand quadrant of screen.
[03:53] <_Iamda> Has anyone else had this same thing?
[03:53] <ardchoille> _Iamda: Might be your irc client. Which one?
[03:54] <ritznix> i have the file
[03:54] <_Iamda> lonversation
[03:54] <intelikey> Biteyni if the cd test is successful and you still have problems   come back and we'll see what we can do.
[03:54] <_Iamda> konversation
[03:55] <_Iamda> ok,ty
[03:55] <ritznix> ohy ohy
[03:55] <Biteyni> alright thnks
[03:55] <Biteyni> brb
[03:55] <kamui_> is there something Im missing to playing MIDI's in kde?  I tried kmid, but Im getting no sound output
[03:55] <ritznix> jjust somethin simple haha do i have to actually mount the dvd itself
[03:55] <kamui_> my sound definately works cause I canplay mp3s
[03:55] <kamui_> all my mixer settings are maxed out too
[03:55] <ritznix> i do have a /dev/dvd
[03:56] <intelikey> !midi > kamui
[03:56] <intelikey> !midi > kamui_
[03:58] <yan> j
[03:58] <intelikey> ritznix did you install the needed "NON_FREE" software?     you can't decode dvd without it
[03:58] <intelikey> /j #blah
[04:00] <pollofank> hi there
[04:01] <juhorner25> Does anybody know where I can find the Linux client for Q3 so I can install it from my PC disk?
[04:02] <Ze_M> where can i get latest gutsy cd?
[04:02] <nineoneone> Ze_M gutsy is not released
[04:03] <Lido> I figured some stuff out about the problem I've been having with my USB mouse not working after resuming from suspend to RAM.
[04:03] <Ze_M> there are gutsy snapshots
[04:03] <Ze_M> nineoneone:  take a good look http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-1/
[04:03] <Lido> happens only when the mouse is plugged into a USB hub.
[04:03] <nineoneone> Ze_M at what.  the release date is 7 10
[04:04] <Lido> any hunches on why that might be?
[04:04] <BluesKaj> the latest http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-2/
[04:04] <Ze_M> BluesKaj: thanks
[04:04] <ritznix> umm umm non free software .. is there like a apt -get i need to get will all the approtiate plugins and such to be able to play dvds.
[04:04] <ritznix> thanks
[04:05] <Ze_M> BluesKaj: whats this? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[04:05] <ardchoille> !seveas
[04:05] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:05] <ardchoille> ritznix: ^^
[04:05] <CaBlGuY> ritznix:  look at this..
[04:05] <Lido> from the bug reports, sounds like quite a few people have similar problems, but no reports about whether people are using USB hubs or not.
[04:05] <CaBlGuY> !mediabuntu
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediabuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <CaBlGuY> err  hang on..
[04:05] <ardchoille> !medibuntu
[04:05] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:05] <ritznix> haha thankkkks ;)
[04:05] <ardchoille> :)
[04:05] <CaBlGuY> ritznix:    here..  read this..
[04:05] <CaBlGuY> http://www.medibuntu.org/index.php
[04:06] <ritznix> thannks
[04:06] <CaBlGuY> Np   ;)
[04:06] <ritznix>  this compiz is soooo coool
[04:06] <Lido> strangely my wacom tablet works fine after a suspend through the hub everytime.
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> ritznix: lol... it is isn't it?
[04:08] <drowningAndGrade> can i run an application that i compiled in windows that uses windows directx dlls on kubuntu at all?
[04:08] <Lido> am I in the wrong place with these kinds of questions?
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> ritznix: you doing compiz fusion or just plain compiz?
[04:08] <Ze_M> BluesKaj: whats the difference from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-2/   to  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> drowningAndGrade: wine?
[04:08] <drowningAndGrade> do i h ave to buy winbe?
[04:08] <drowningAndGrade> wine
[04:08] <ardchoille> Lido: If it's support for kubuntu, you're in the right place.
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> drowningAndGrade: no
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> !wine| drowningAndGrade
[04:09] <ubotu> drowningAndGrade: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:10] <BluesKaj> Ze_M,the live current is a daily build which constantly updates your version with upgrades as they re released...mainly for testing
[04:10] <juhorner25> Does anybody know where I can find the Linux client for Q3 so I can install it from my PC disk?
[04:10] <nineoneone> BluesKaj released ?   you mean introduced ?
[04:10] <ritznix> the compiz fusion
[04:11] <ritznix> have a few little issues but eh get to it later at least its much better then beryl
[04:11] <BluesKaj> yeah ok introduced for teating ...if you wish
[04:11] <ardchoille> juhorner25: Any of these help? http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=Q3&btnG=Search
[04:11] <BluesKaj> testing
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> ritznix: I found it slower, but nicer
[04:12] <evilmm> is there a reaosn why my system idle at able 75% mem usg?
[04:12] <ritznix> hmmmm the beryl was slower for me it must be like the config or video cards
[04:12] <evilmm> at*
[04:12] <evilmm> no beryl
[04:13] <nineoneone> evilmm yeah you aren't reading the actual memory usage just the allocated
[04:13] <BluesKaj> the cache evilmm
[04:13] <evilmm> no, the physical
[04:14] <nineoneone> evilmm  i.e. in konsole type  free -m         and read the   -/+ buffers/cache:   line
[04:14] <juhorner25> Standalone Q3 will only let me play mod servers though, right?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:14] <evilmm>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:14] <evilmm> Mem:       1033940     778312     255628          0      67604     475492
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> evilmm: do "free -m"
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> to show it in MB
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> easier to read
[04:15] <evilmm> lol i did free m
[04:16] <nineoneone> any you didn't show the    -/+ buffers/cache:
[04:16] <evilmm> so +/-  is what i care bout?
[04:16] <nineoneone> which is the actual memory usage
[04:16] <ritznix> the weird thing is that when i activate the compiz there are like 16 desktops and my desktop 1 wallpaper is on all 16 and i only had 4 to begin
[04:16] <evilmm> lol
[04:16] <nineoneone> feel better ?
[04:16] <evilmm> ok thanks for solving that
[04:17] <evilmm> i was about to be like wtf
[04:17] <Dragnslcr> ritznix- that's because Compiz turns each desktop into a cube
[04:17] <ritznix> oh geesh wtf do i just have 1 cube then
[04:17] <ritznix> haah
[04:18] <mneptok> Bianchi: please don't use public /away messages on Ubuntu channels
[04:18] <Dragnslcr> You probably want to set your number of desktops in KDE to 1
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> ritznix: probably change your kde setting to have 1 desktop
[04:18] <ritznix> ahh
[04:18] <raylu> does compiz give you the top and bottom faces?
[04:18] <Biovore> raylu: beryl you mean?
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> yeah. i've always wanted to use them for something
[04:19] <raylu> compiz; i have beryl
[04:19] <Dragnslcr> The term "cube" is kinda misleading
[04:19] <raylu> or were you referring to beryl when you said compiz
[04:19] <Dragnslcr> You can have as many faces as you want
[04:19] <raylu> but only cubes have quadrilateral faces
[04:19] <Dragnslcr> raylu- Beryl is being retired and merged back into Compiz
[04:19] <ritznix> snazzy my compiz is much faster
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: how do you add them?
[04:19] <raylu> o.0? when?
[04:19] <ritznix> i have the compiz fusion
[04:19] <ritznix> removed beryl
[04:19] <raylu> o.0? fusion?
[04:19] <ritznix> nice features
[04:19] <raylu> what is all this stuff
[04:19] <Dragnslcr> The new official name is Compiz Fusion
[04:20] <raylu> is it worth switching now?
[04:20] <ritznix> am i able to have both installed at the same time
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> raylu: not yet
[04:20] <raylu> yes, but not both running
[04:20] <Dragnslcr> nosrednaekim- the number of horizontal and vertical faces is in the settings
[04:20] <raylu> nosrednaekim, is cf unstable?
[04:20] <Dragnslcr> I'm running Fusion now, and it works fine
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> raylu: very
[04:20] <raylu> lol...
[04:21] <Dragnslcr> It's no more unstable than Beryl
[04:21] <CaBlGuY> anyone know what I can use to burn m4a files??  Lossless audio..
[04:21] <nineoneone> !beryl
[04:21] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:21] <raylu> anyone else's opinion?
[04:21] <NickPresta> CaBlGuY, I would assume K3B can handle all your burning needs
[04:21] <crimsun> CaBlGuY: ALAC?
[04:22] <nineoneone> !mp3 | CaBlGuY or is it !codecs
[04:22] <ubotu> CaBlGuY or is it !codecs: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:23] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, SoundKonvertor will convert m4a files
[04:23] <hero> which MTA is basically secure out of the box? postfix?
[04:23] <trakinas> !grub
[04:23] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:23] <CaBlGuY> yea, done already got all the codecs installed..  but k3b can't "handle" the lossless files..
[04:23] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, SoundKonvertor !
[04:23] <nineoneone> CaBlGuY ^ ><BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, SoundKonvertor will convert m4a files
[04:24] <CaBlGuY> k..
[04:24] <crimsun> if it's m4a lossless, then you can't use faad-based ones.  You need to recompile ffmpeg with ALAC support.
[04:24] <BluesKaj> too many cooks here again
[04:25] <raffytaffy> could someone please recomend a sound card that works with 7.1 in feisty?
[04:25] <raffytaffy> :(
[04:25] <nineoneone> BluesKaj ok. i'll hush.  cause i know crimsun's da sound guy...
[04:25] <BluesKaj> getting late anyway ...nite all, take care
[04:25] <Biovore> creative audigy2 value SB0400
[04:25] <Biovore> works out of the box
[04:25] <Dragnslcr> hero- I like Postfix, mainly because it isn't the complete pain to configure that sendmail can be
[04:26] <trakinas> I have some doubts with grub config... for example: if my gentoo kernel is on device sda4, for example, the root paramter would be "root (0,4)"?
[04:26] <Biovore> sendmail is confusing to setup.. but man.. it can do anything..
[04:26] <Biovore> email by donky.. (send mail can do it)
[04:26] <nineoneone> sendmail + fetchmail  full server.
[04:26] <Biovore> yup
[04:27] <raffytaffy> will it work with 7.,1 speakers Biovore?
[04:27] <trakinas> raffytaffy: my onboard works great. usually, soundboards does not gives too much troubles
[04:27] <Biovore> not sure.. It should.. but I can't say for sure..
[04:27] <nineoneone> trakinas "root (hd0,3)"    would be more like it
[04:27] <trakinas> nineoneone: hmmm. thanks!
[04:28] <Biovore> it has PCM side, LFE, Front, Surround mixer lines..  I don't have 7.1 speakers.. just Headphones..
[04:28] <hero> Dragnslcr: thanks
[04:28] <Dragnslcr> The onboard sound I have does 5.1 quite well
[04:28] <Dragnslcr> Which was nice, not having to buy another $150 sound card
[04:28] <Biovore> the advantage to the creative cards that work in alsa is they have hardware mixing..
[04:29] <Biovore> A must for legicy OSS apps..
[04:30] <raffytaffy> my current card Creative sound blaster audigy se 7.1 doesnt work with feisty
[04:30] <Dragnslcr> I even got the motherboard with optical and coaxial outputs so that it would work with my old Cambridge Soundworks speakers
[04:30] <raffytaffy> i tried all the guides and nothing
[04:31] <trakinas> nineoneone: root=UUID=31ae020d-e9e3-4085-9e6e-05bf04f7d58c --> how do I discover that?
[04:31] <raffytaffy> only 2 speakers work
[04:31] <BigMac> Hey, is there a way to get rid of those black things ( http://img.waffleimages.com/d79c571a9c3b99e488681a5de2cbd47a69247dfb/Screenshot%20(copy).png ) in KATE ?
[04:32] <Biovore> BigMac: thats line wrap
[04:32] <Biovore> turn of line wrap..
[04:33] <BigMac> ...?
[04:34] <ses59_> could some one please send me the link for the channels that are available for freenode
[04:34] <BigMac> Isn't line wrap "when you reach th end of the line start back over on the next line, not keep going"
[04:34] <BigMac> I am talking about those black and white checkered things that mark tabs
[04:34] <Dragnslcr> ses59_- checked http://www.freenode.net?
[04:35] <Dragnslcr> ses59_- or using the channel listing ability of your IRC client?
[04:35] <ses59_> that is the thing that i do not know is how to make the irc client list channesl
[04:35] <ses59_> channels
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> ses59_: /list should do it IIRC
[04:36] <trakinas> should do on almost every client
[04:36] <Dragnslcr> ses59_- depends on your client
[04:36] <facugaich> How can I set Kopete to login automatically?
[04:37] <ses59_> konversation
[04:37] <Dragnslcr> Settings -> Configure -> Behavior
[04:37] <ses59_> is my client
[04:37] <kamui_> I need some more midi advice, I want to convert a ton of midis' to mp3's is there any software that would make that easier to do in say a batch operation?  if not, is there any recommended software that I can use to directly record wave output from my mixer to mp3 format?
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> ses59_: should work then
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Midi -> Mp3?
[04:38] <kamui_> yes
[04:38] <DaSkreech> fascinating :)
[04:38] <kamui_> quite
[04:38] <kamui_> :)
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> kamui_: ffmpeg should handle that, i would think
[04:38] <nineoneone> midi != mp3
[04:38] <MasterEvilAce> yeah.
[04:38] <MasterEvilAce> That's... not worth doing
[04:38] <kamui_> it actually is quite worth doing
[04:38] <MasterEvilAce> Midis are TINY.. and sounds are generated by the soundcard or w/e
[04:39] <MasterEvilAce> converting to an mp3.. file size becomes a lot larger.. you're not hearing any better quality, etc.
[04:39] <kamui_> there are a few great songs I have composed in midi format that the timidity and drumsets in linux sound amazing
[04:39] <nineoneone> and most sound cards don't support midi  so you have to have a ton of software to play them
[04:39] <kamui_> I want to capture the audio to mp3 because the midis sound aweful in windows with its default drumkits
[04:40] <DaSkreech> I have a solution to that ! :)
[04:40] <kamui_> additionally my car stereo does not play midi :)
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Don't use Windows
[04:40] <facugaich> Audacity can record wave output
[04:40] <kamui_> thats a good idea, I can always convert the wavs to mp3s
[04:40] <facugaich> but getting it to work with ALSA is tricky
[04:41] <Biovore> audio recording
[04:41] <nineoneone> lets see take a 5k midi and record the output as wave=90+M   hmmm that should work....
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> kamui_: solution: plug a patch cable into your speaker out jack and your mike in jack, presto!
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> :)
[04:42] <kamui_> thought of that too, that was my fall back
[04:42] <evilmm> anyone know a good prog for joining video files together?
[04:42] <trakinas> anyone able to help me with grub?
[04:42] <kamui_> didn't want to detangle about 10,000 wires to free a patch cable from my boxOcables in the closet
[04:42] <nineoneone> hitmanWilly heh why not just slect the psm as the recording input
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> that works too
[04:43] <nineoneone> trakinas what's the issue ?
[04:44] <trakinas> nineoneone: how do I conigure the hex id? (i.e: UUID=31ae020d-e9e3-4085-9e6e-05bf04f7d58c)
[04:45] <nineoneone> eeeek.  i haven't actually used block id's in grub.  better ask someone that has
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> trakinas: why do you want to do that, anyway
[04:47] <nineoneone> removable media i would assume
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> ahhh, ok
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> fdisk -l should give you the UUID of any plugged devices IIRC
[04:47] <trakinas> I just want to include gentoo and be able to boot it
[04:47] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> grr... I got Digikam compiled, but now it's SIGABRTing on me...
[04:47] <nineoneone> blkid
[04:48] <evilmm> anyone know a good prog for joining video files together?
[04:49] <Biovore> evilmm: ogm mkv and avi's can be done using some different command line tools.. but they must the exact same format to cat videos together..
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> trakinas: is it a internal drive you want to boot?
[04:50] <evilmm> anything for wmv?
[04:50] <Biovore> nope.. propriatary.. have to use windows..
[04:50] <yurimxpxman> is there any particular mail server any of you would recommend?
[04:50] <Biovore> ^ smtp or receiving mail (pop/ imap?)
[04:50] <evilmm> arent the codecs propietart to begin with? lol
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> evilmm: absolutely
[04:51] <Biovore> xvid,mpeg4,x264 arn't
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> evilmm: at least wmv is :(
[04:52] <Biovore> just transcode all you video to xvid or x264 and then paste them together..
[04:52] <Biovore> kino is a video editing program.. but it won't do wmv
[04:52] <Biovore> there is stuff that can play it back
[04:52] <Biovore> (wmv)
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> for split videos, i usually just save an m3u playlist and activate that
[04:54] <trakinas> hitmanWilly: yes it is
[04:54] <xerxes31415> hello all, could someone PM me, I have some basic questions about ubuntu/kubuntu/linux
[04:54] <trakinas> hitmanWilly: sorry for taking too long,
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> trakinas: just use the device names for the system you are booting then
[04:54] <nineoneone> anyone know how to remove packages in the database marked  rc  or  pc   ???
[04:55] <trakinas> what you mean? sorry...
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> trakinas: once you set the root drive, grub pulls all of its data off of that drive
[04:55] <nineoneone> any someone ?
[04:55] <trakinas> hmmmm... so i only need to put root (hd0,3)?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> xerxes31415: ask them here. It may help others
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> trakinas: and the path to the kernel using that drive as root
[04:56] <xerxes31415> k
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> trakinas: for example:
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> root (hd0,0)
[04:57] <hitmanWilly>  kernel /boot/linux-2.6.22-generic-1 root=/dev/sdb1
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> is how my gentoo grub.conf is set up
[04:57] <nineoneone> or you can copy the kernel to your other /boot and just specify the kernel and the root=/dev/sda4    and it should boot
[04:57] <trakinas> hmmmmmm... intersting. i was really confused about those options.
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> trakinas: substitute in your own options where applicable :)
[04:58] <trakinas> hitmanWilly: of course! ;]
[04:58] <MarkG> Ellos, Anybody had any luck with the LinuxMCE 1.1 Beta 2 Installation?
[04:58] <nineoneone> did update-grub   not automatically find the other installation
[04:59] <xerxes31415> I'm actually running ubuntu with konversation installed, and I was wondering what exactly is KDE and gnome, and how am I able to run a KDE app while not running the general KDE environment?
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> trakinas: yeah, for some reason my system calls hd0,0 sdb1
[04:59] <nineoneone> hitmanWilly cause its in /boot/grub/devices.map
[05:00] <kamui_> damn, audacity was a great idea, but it crashes every minute or so
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> yeah, its cause i swapped around the bios boot order post install
[05:00] <nineoneone> yah
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> and never changed devices.map
[05:02] <nineoneone> i can play musical boot loaders on this box  has three boot loaders working atm.    can't get ide disk primary slave "hdb" to accept a boot loader correctly tho
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> granted, that is a few steps above the typical ubuntu user ;)
[05:02] <nineoneone> :)
[05:03] <nineoneone> if crossing the channel is a few brest strokes  that's a few steps.
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> i grew up on slack, so tweaking config files doesn't scare me
[05:04] <nineoneone> anyone know how to remove packages in the database marked  rc  or  pc   ???
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> nineoneone: you could --force it i believe
[05:05] <hitmanWilly>  nineoneone with dpkg
[05:06] <nineoneone> nope
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[05:07] <nineoneone> here's what i'm looking at  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38109
[05:07] <nineoneone> and that's one example of many
[05:08] <nineoneone> i don't think that paste has the force  but i did with   dpkg -P --force-all apmd    same error same end result
[05:09] <nineoneone> all apt will do is    Package apmd is not installed, so not removed
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> nineoneone: ok, try a reinstall via apt, then the -P with dpkg
[05:09] <nineoneone> i have several packages that are not installed but the dpkg database says they are
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> nineoneone: probably all residual config files i would guess
[05:11] <nineoneone> yes    but i just want the data base cleand up.   so searching  dpkg -l  doesn't hit things that arent there
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> nineoneone: hold on, im gonna man dpkg real quick see if anything pops up
[05:12] <nineoneone> hitmanWilly reinstalling apmd then removing same error.   Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:12] <nineoneone>  apmd
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> ugh
[05:13] <nineoneone> i got it.   i'll remove the postrm script and then run the purge
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> nineoneone: yeah, that should work
[05:16] <nineoneone> now to script that on 96 packages
[05:16] <nineoneone> :/
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> nineoneone: fun times....
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> i would think there'd be a way to fix that without having to revert to brute force methods
[05:20] <vbgunz> I cannot access any tty (1 through 6) switching to one, just shows the top 1/3 of the screen in black and the bottom 2/3 of what ever X screen I was currently at. Can anyone help me get my tty access back?
[05:20] <nineoneone> me too but the brute is at work now.
[05:21] <nineoneone> :)
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> oh well, its a hack, but it works :)
[05:22] <nineoneone> vbgunz frame buffer
[05:22] <vbgunz> nineoneone: not sure how to fix that, I don't wish to reboot to fix it :(
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> vbgunz: you may just try restarting X
[05:23] <vbgunz> hitmanWilly: I've done that several times. through the loging option and Ctrl+Alt+Backspace :(
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> hmmmm, not really sure on that one then....
[05:24] <vbgunz> it's frustrating, I lost access to those tty and not sure how in the world to get them back :(
[05:25] <nineoneone> vbgunz not likely that you will fix that without rebooting...    "if it is a frame buffer problem"    basicly what has happened is the kernel doesn't remember the exact state of the display to restore it too.
[05:26] <vbgunz> well, I logged into the terminal a while ago. a couple days ago. I remember logging out but if I go to the K menu, and go to switch user, the user I was logged in as, under the terminal I was logged in at (1), is still logged in. How can I kick him? maybe that'll work?
[05:26] <nineoneone> that's one reason i don't like frame buffering for the boot splash     about a third of the time it's a trade off  you get a few seconds of boot splash for loss of access to the console.
[05:27] <vbgunz> nineoneone: my box has been up for 15 days. this problem only started several days ago :/
[05:27] <nineoneone> vbgunz kill
[05:27] <nineoneone> killall
[05:27] <vbgunz> yeah, but how do I kill OR killall a users session on terminal 1?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> vbgunz: killall -u
[05:29] <vbgunz> yeah, I just man kill and didn't find it, I see --user under killall
[05:29] <NickPresta> I like slay
[05:29] <vbgunz> the thing is, I logged into the terminal under the name I am logged in as now using X :/
[05:29] <raylu> kill is a bit annoying to use
[05:29] <vbgunz> nineoneone: doesn't that kill everything you can kill?
[05:29] <nineoneone> yep
[05:30] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> YES! DigiKam 0.9.2 is finally working.  Just tryign to get the new digiKam was heck...
[05:32] <drowningAndGrade> whats kamikaze? is that terrifying sounding company in need of helpful developers?
[05:32] <drowningAndGrade> sorry
[05:32] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> drowningAndGrade: Kamikaze = Suicide run. See also "Installing Windows"
[05:32] <vbgunz> nineoneone: If I ran sudo kill -9 -1 how do I get all my system services back up? probably can't especially if I cannot access the terminal huh?
[05:32] <drowningAndGrade> or running windows
[05:33] <nineoneone> ah nice everything in the dpkg -l   now is ii  :)
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:33] <nineoneone> im a crappy hamper again
[05:33] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> XD
[05:34] <vbgunz> well, what do I have to lose, I need my terminal :)
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> ah hah, intelikey, trying to hide on me :)
[05:34] <drowningAndGrade> is there a way to keep programming in a direct x game engine i was using on windows on kubuntu?
[05:35] <intelikey> vbgunz you run   init 3
[05:35] <vbgunz> intelikey: thank you, was just about to give it a try :)
[05:35] <intelikey> hitmanWilly you know someone else that would be brute forcing dpkg ?
[05:35] <vbgunz> intelikey: sudo or no sudo
[05:35] <intelikey> sudo
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:35] <vbgunz> ok, got it
[05:35] <vbgunz> brb
[05:35] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ...
[05:36] <intelikey> vbgunz if you can't see anything   ctrl alt del
[05:36] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> I... don't... beleive it...
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> i shoulda guessed on that one
[05:36] <vbgunz> got it
[05:36] <drowningAndGrade> is there a way to keep programming in a direct x game engine i was using on windows on kubuntu?
[05:36] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> there was a digikam 3rd party repo all this time...
[05:36] <Biovore> drowningAndGrade: wine?
[05:36] <drowningAndGrade> what ide would i use?
[05:37] <Biovore> drowningAndGrade: switch to SDL
[05:37] <hitmanWilly> drowningAndGrade: you can program anything you want, it just won't compile sice the libs aren't there :)
[05:37] <drowningAndGrade> yip
[05:37] <drowningAndGrade> but with vb.net all i had to include were the dlls
[05:37] <Biovore> most pro on linux use vi or emacs..
[05:37] <Biovore> gui's are for noobs
[05:38] <hitmanWilly> drowningAndGrade: those ARE the libs
[05:38] <drowningAndGrade> i have the dlls
[05:38] <Biovore> dosn't help you on linux..
[05:38] <Biovore> dlls are for windows
[05:38] <hitmanWilly> drowningAndGrade: not relly sure if dlls can be used a nix libs...don't think so
[05:39] <Biovore> On all platforms (other then windows) you have to use OpenGL
[05:39] <hitmanWilly> drowningAndGrade: you may want to see if vb will work under wine if you're really bound and determined to use dx
[05:40] <drowningAndGrade> i just had this game going in windows and vb.net and this realy great game engine, and then i got tired of buying crashy windows
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> drowningAndGrade: since there's no vb compiler for nix either, at least that I know of...
[05:40] <intelikey> Biovore i'll never make pro...
[05:40] <Biovore> ouch
[05:40] <Biovore> lol
[05:40] <hitmanWilly> either that or vim
[05:41] <Biovore> columb edit mode rules!!!
[05:41] <Biovore> epecialy for VHDL
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> anjuta is nice for really large projects
[05:41] <drowningAndGrade> if i put up a website with this start of a game, then im going to have to explain to employers on the site that i had to ditch windows because it crashes on me all the time
[05:42] <drowningAndGrade> was there a vb.net ide on linux?
[05:42] <Biovore> hmm.. well you can go the road epic and ID went..  They develop on linux and then port to windows and platforms
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> drowningAndGrade: lol
[05:43] <drowningAndGrade> windows is realy super annoying
[05:43] <intelikey> ^5
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> drowningAndGrade: i doubt you'll EVER see one of those :)
[05:43] <Biovore> well using VB isn't going to fix that problem..
[05:43] <drowningAndGrade> great
[05:43] <Biovore> that and VB is slow..
[05:43] <drowningAndGrade> daarn
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> drowningAndGrade: learn C/C++ and opengl
[05:43] <Biovore> ^ yeah.. thats the way to go..
[05:43] <drowningAndGrade> it works well with 3d engines that are made for it
[05:43] <drowningAndGrade> it realy cool with 3d engines that are put well together for it
[05:44] <drowningAndGrade> daarn
[05:44] <Biovore> you can get the hot specs off nvidia/ati developers and can use all the fancy direct X10 stuff under opengl under custom calls that are not yet part of any standard..
[05:44] <Biovore> OpenGL stand is under going some masive changes in the next year
[05:44] <drowningAndGrade> im going to have a small crisis
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> drowningAndGrade: that's probably the best way to do that, plus the apps will be portable to most any other platform
 im going to have a small crisis  <-- Thank you for using Microsoft.. Can we create another desaster for you to day.
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> windows does not play well with other platforms
[05:46] <Biovore> yeah.. even apple plays nice with gnu..
[05:46] <Biovore> and wun
[05:46] <Biovore> (sun)
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> oh, btw the ps3 runs opengl as well :)
[05:46] <Biovore> yup
[05:46] <evilmm> is an int14 when booting a live cd always the video card?
[05:46] <Biovore> UT3 will run on linux mac and PS3  and will be network portable between them
[05:47] <Biovore> evilmm: depends whats using interrupt 14
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> so personnally, i don't see why the big games for the ps3 couldn't be ported
[05:47] <Biovore> hitmanWilly: well the good news it they peobably will.. alot of the are being based on the UT3 engine
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> thereby ending the "hardcore gamer" windows lock-in :)
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> hopefully, anyway
[05:48] <Biovore> well.. microsoft backed games will always be windows locked-in
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> yeah, but there aren't THAT many of those...yet
[05:48] <evilmm> going to bed
[05:49] <evilmm> night all
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> night
[05:51] <raghu> im soo frustrated with this flash problem
[05:51] <raghu> every time i load a page that has flash like youtube it crashes when i click a link
[05:51] <raghu> there is no fix anywhere on the web
[05:52] <raghu> !flash
[05:52] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:54] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> I'm off to bed. Later all. *sets away*
[05:59] <raghu> thanks for all the help
[05:59] <raghu> !question
[05:59] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:59] <raghu> lol
[05:59] <Biteyni> intelli?
[05:59] <raghu> every time i load a page that has flash like youtube it crashes when i click a link
[05:59] <Biteyni> intelikey?
[05:59] <raghu> flash crashes
[06:00] <raghu> i mean the web browser crashes
[06:00] <raghu> whats intelikey
[06:00] <Biteyni> no im asking if hes at his computer :p
[06:00] <Biteyni> update flash?
[06:00] <raghu> i did
[06:00] <Biteyni> and check settings
[06:00] <raghu> i did
[06:01] <raghu> its a huge problem
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> raghu: what browser?
[06:01] <raghu> konqueror and firefox
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> both?
[06:01] <raghu> yeah
[06:01] <raghu> if theres too much flash it just seems to stop working and then the kde thing comes up and says terminate or keep running
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> sounds like the flash plugin is corrupted somehow, try a remove and reinstall
[06:01] <raghu> the flash works tho
[06:02] <Biteyni> remove and reinstall
[06:02] <raghu> how do i do that
[06:02] <raghu> how do i uninstall the flash
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> raghu: sudo dpkg -P flashplugin-nonfree; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:05] <raghu> k
[06:05] <Biteyni> growl could not install ubuntu
[06:05] <raghu> it says download complete
[06:05] <raghu> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[06:06] <raghu> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> well, there's the problem, the download is corrupted
[06:07] <raghu> hmm
[06:07] <raghu> so what do i do
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> raghu: did you get it with apt?
[06:07] <raghu> i checked the about:plugins in mozilla
[06:08] <raghu>  libflashplayer.so is the name of the file being used to output flv's
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> raghu: its uninstalled right now, try restarting firefox
[06:09] <raghu> k
[06:09] <raghu> still there
[06:10] <hitmanWilly> raghu: hmm, well, the .so file should be gone with the uninstall, i doubt flash would open
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> raghu: for some reason, the download is getting corrupted
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> raghu: i would suggest trying again later
[06:13] <joel> hello everyone
[06:14] <joel> exit
[06:16] <eazye2008> alright people so i installed beryl how do i get the cube thingy running
[06:22] <wolferine> eazye2008, in the beryl manager
[06:24] <intelikey> hmm looks like i pinged out.   did i miss anything important while gone ?
[06:25] <intelikey> i guess not.
[06:26] <kury> my friend screwed up his xorg.conf on his knew kubuntu system.... and I was going to help him make a new one... but he doesn't have xorgconfig or anything to generate a new one...  and he doesn't seem to have network access.. any ideas?
[06:27] <intelikey> kury cause ubuntu never has used xorgconfig
[06:27] <kury> intelikey, is their a similiar xorg.conf generator program??
[06:27] <intelikey> kury sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:28] <kury> intelikey, will do.. I'll check that out.. thx
[06:32] <trakinas> does anyone knows an cd-audio burner who imports playlists?
[06:33] <trakinas> k3b doesnt. :/
[06:33] <trakinas> (no problems if it is gtk. )
[06:33] <intelikey> trakinas  !i
[06:33] <trakinas> intelikey: sup!
[06:34] <intelikey> oh that's  not eye    !i
[06:35] <trakinas> ?
[06:35] <trakinas> Im confused
[06:37] <intelikey> not I == !i    i don't know of a burner that imports playlists   and now by using shell code shorthand i have liengthened my post by 800%
[06:37] <trakinas> ahhh
[06:37] <trakinas> i see now
[06:37] <intelikey> :)
[06:38] <intelikey> and i can't use !i as a single string cause the bot gets confused
[06:38] <intelikey> !i
[06:38] <intelikey> what bot ????
[06:38] <intelikey> ubotu wake up
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wake up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <intelikey> that bot
[06:41] <ijul> hey guys
[06:41] <ijul> I think I really need help, here :s
[06:41] <raylu> !question
[06:41] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:42] <ijul> thank you
[06:42] <ijul> ok, I've installed kubuntu, and I had to change my graphic card, from ATI to NVIDIA
[06:42] <ijul> I just managed to trick the driver into having a better resolution than 320x240@30
[06:42] <K-Ryan> !resolution
[06:42] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:43] <K-Ryan> !modeline
[06:43] <ubotu> A Modeline is a config line in the X server configuration file that gives info about a connected display and how to drive it at a specified display resolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline for more details. Here are 2 links to generate modelines which fit your monitor: http://bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/ and http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[06:43] <K-Ryan> That one
[06:43] <intelikey> ijul so recofigure it.
[06:43] <ijul> now, I m getting some REALLY weird result with beryl, not to mention, I cant boot emerald and Kiba dock also fucks up :s
[06:43] <ijul> no, now I got 1024x768
[06:43] <intelikey> !nv | ijul
[06:43] <ubotu> ijul: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:43] <ijul> its installed
[06:44] <ijul> the problem is I can't boot emerald :s
[06:44] <intelikey> oh emerald
[06:44] <ijul> yeah :s
[06:44] <intelikey> !beryl
[06:44] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:44] <ijul> now I think there is an alternative, Heliodor, right?
[06:45] <bones_> If I were to get ubuntu installed on a laptop would I be able to compleatly migrate over to Kubuntu with no gnome left?
[06:45] <intelikey> bones_ yeah if you strip it before you add the desktop
[06:45] <K-Ryan> bones_: It would be better to just install Kubuntu
[06:46] <intelikey> bones_ there are docs on the net about libs that gnome depends on
[06:46] <intelikey> or SRN9
[06:46] <SRN9> :P
[06:46] <SRN9> I see
[06:48] <intelikey> my openion is, install then install kde     then  for Q in `dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do apt-get remove $Q ;done ;apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:49] <SRN9> and that takes GDM out of the picture?
[06:49] <intelikey> or better to -y that first apt get
[06:49] <intelikey> it does
[06:49] <intelikey> it takes all non-essentials out
[06:49] <intelikey> and the gui is definitly non-essential
[06:49] <SRN9> ok so none of the bloat just the basics to ensure a working system?
[06:50] <intelikey> define working ?
[06:50] <intelikey> :)
[06:50] <SRN9> GUI and works well enough after all changes:P
[06:50] <intelikey> see above posts ^
 it takes all non-essentials out
 and the gui is definitly non-essential
[06:51] <SRN9> Ok I see now.
[06:51] <intelikey> SRN9 sounds like you want to just get the ubuntu CD
[06:51] <intelikey> errr kubuntu
[06:52] <intelikey> K'ubuntu CD
[06:53] <intelikey> SRN9 then don't run my command string.
[06:53] <SRN9> yeah I may just need to fresh install
[06:53] <intelikey> SRN9 one quick Q   why does it matter if gnome is installed or not, if you don't use it ?
[06:53] <trakinas> intelikey: k3b can import via amarok playlist.
[06:54] <intelikey> you can have many desktop environments
[06:54] <intelikey> trakinas ok.   i'll remember that until i log off, so if anyone asks again i can tell them
[06:55] <intelikey> hmm looks like gnome eats about     After unpacking 710MB of additional disk space will be used.
[06:56] <trakinas> intelikey: you create a new playlist in amarok, save it with any given name. the just drag and drop it into k3b cd audio dialog.
[06:56] <SRN9> ok well never mind then:P I thought it was more.
[06:56] <SRN9> I dont use it so I did not know :P
[06:57] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38110
[06:57] <deathweaver> anyone got a minute to help a kubuntu newbie?
[06:57] <intelikey> heres one for kde  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38111
[06:58] <intelikey> After unpacking 764MB of additional disk space will be used.
[06:58] <SRN9> so if im correct all together 1.4gb? together
[06:58] <SRN9> or am I just a bit off
[06:59] <trakinas> just a few packs
[06:59] <intelikey> SRN9 no less.  cause many repetes in the two lists
[07:00] <intelikey> SRN9 those are the meta packages for  gnome  and  kde   not ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop  which will inclued several non-*de* apps
[07:00] <intelikey> i can run the other meta packages throught if you like
[07:01] <SRN9> no thats great
[07:01] <SRN9> that was all the assistance I needed on that.
[07:01] <dvm> how can i run the glade-3 after adding all the widgets?
[07:02] <intelikey> here are the other two anyway   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38112    "inline"
[07:04] <intelikey> 1402MB for ubuntu-desktop and 1195MB for kubuntu-desktop     i may have a few of the things kubuntu-desktop depends on already installed.
[07:04] <intelikey> dvm i'm totally clue-by-four'less
[07:07] <intelikey> i just fired up a gui,  somebody call that nine one one number what ever it is...
[07:07] <intelikey> i may be sick
[07:12] <klobster> intelikey: do you even have a mouse?
[07:13] <intelikey> always
[07:13] <intelikey> gpm
[07:13] <intelikey> !info gpm
[07:13] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-23build1 (feisty), package size 340 kB, installed size 660 kB
[07:13] <intelikey> left button copy right button    * Starting mouse interface server: gpm                                  [ ok ]
[07:13] <intelikey> paste
[07:14] <klobster> oh yeah, I remember that
[07:14] <intelikey> the console seems kinda bare without it...
[07:16] <raylu> what does gpm do?
[07:17] <intelikey> console mouse
[07:17] <intelikey> lets you copy and paste in the console, also some apps have mouse support like elinks and mc  but i disable them so they don't get in the way of copy and paste...
[07:18] <raylu> ...
[07:18] <raylu> but you already have that...
[07:18] <intelikey> explain
[07:18] <klobster> and it's installed.  thanks intelikey
[07:18] <intelikey> klobster welcome
[07:19] <raylu> !klobster
[07:19] <raylu> :(
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about klobster - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:19] <raylu> !find klobster
[07:19] <ubotu> Package/file klobster does not exist in feisty
[07:19] <raylu> apt can't find it either
[07:19] <clouder_> How do I make columns slide over when I'm adjusting their width rather than shrinking the next one over, speciically in Amarok (the playlist column information), but would be helpful in any app?
[07:21] <klobster> I am not a package i am a free man!
[07:22] <intelikey> get all your klobsterZ at <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:22] <intelikey> kinda like warez ya know.
[07:22] <intelikey> :)
[07:23] <klobster> !info gpm
[07:23] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional.   I have tons of information. To find out what I know whisper '.help' to me. All commands are prefixed with a period. [12:48:24.484]  <ptheb> .help to me
[07:32] <vzduch> wtf?
[07:33] <raylu> lol, since intelli is telling jokes :P
[07:33] <intelikey> :)
[07:34] <intelikey> what network is that on ?
[07:34] <raylu> battle.net
[07:34] <intelikey> :)
[07:34] <raylu> ?
[07:34] <intelikey> ok.
[07:36] <kury> my friend runs kubunutu and has uninstalled knetworkmanager do to some problems with it... but now it says we can't reinstall it because it can't commit the changes because it would break packages...
[07:36] <kury> how can I help him fix this??
[07:36] <raylu> are you using adept?
[07:36] <raylu> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:37] <kury> yes he uses adept..
[07:37] <raylu> run that
[07:37] <intelikey> kury you can   sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager     to see what it conflicts
[07:37] <raylu> ^
[07:37] <raylu> or what intelikey said
[07:38] <intelikey> kury it's possably a ligitimate conflict,  in which case you would need to uninstall the conflicting package to install that.
[07:39] <intelikey> ligitimiti   i cint spill viry will
[07:42] <joseph> Can anyone help me I just updated ubuntu and added kde somewhere in the process I managed to somehow make it so the grub loader has a background and the scroll bar is black on black how can I change the scroll bar to another color?
[07:43] <vzduch> joseph: punctuation marks exist for a reason..
[07:43] <wolferine> he has a question mark
[07:44] <vzduch> he should have 2.. and 2 full stops
[07:44] <vzduch> and perhaps an occasional comma
[07:44] <joseph> It's one question and I was trying to be detailed
[07:44] <intelikey> question mark is not a full stop ?
[07:45] <intelikey> !usplash | joseph
[07:45] <ubotu> joseph: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[07:45] <wolferine> detailed has nothing to do with it
[07:45] <raylu> ooh
[07:46] <intelikey> we don't really care how you punctuate your grammer   as long as it's not with the enter key.
[07:46] <raylu> is there a way to get loading screen text to show? (loading screen = before login, after grub, during kubuntu blue progress bar)
[07:46] <kury> raylu, intelikey, that worked guys... thanks
[07:46] <raylu> o.0...that was slow :P
[07:47] <intelikey> kury welcome
[07:47] <vzduch> raylu: /boot/grub/menu.lst -> delete 'splash' from the kernel line and replace it w/ a VGA mode
[07:48] <raylu> actually, you can have both ^^
[07:48] <raylu> and i think you have to take out quiet too
[07:48] <vzduch> other distros use 'splash=verbose' for that
[07:48] <vzduch> dunno if it works in *buntu
[07:48] <raylu> but my previous config was
[07:48] <raylu> root=UUID=e9c1db5e-e47d-47d7-ae80-8eba676259a1 ro splash vga=792
[07:49] <raylu> i didn't notice the change till you pointed it out
[07:49] <arun> Is it possible to change the look of KMail?
[07:49] <raylu> yes. thunderbird ^^
[07:49] <arun> Tweak some of the css
[07:49] <arun> haha
[07:49] <intelikey> kmail....  mut
[07:49] <raylu> you can try tweaking kontact, but i stopped using it and haven't touched it in a while; brb
[07:49] <intelikey> t
[07:50] <intelikey> !find Mail
[07:50] <arun> i dont like the way thunderbird looks in kde (or gnome, for that matter)
[07:50] <ubotu> Found: emacs, emacs21, emacs21-nox, evolution, exim4-daemon-heavy (and 250 others)
[07:51] <intelikey> i don't like the disk space it takes up
[07:51] <vzduch> I don't like some of its behaviour.. at least the way it was till I stopped using it (1.0.7 or so)
[07:51] <arun> intelikey: thunderbird? or kmail
[07:52] <arun> evolution isn't free, is it
[07:52] <raylu> it is
[07:52] <arun> any good kde mail clients apart from kmail?
[07:52] <raylu> !evolution
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <raylu> o.0
[07:52] <raylu> !find evolution
[07:52] <ubotu> Found: evolution, evolution-common, evolution-dbg, evolution-dev, evolution-exchange (and 18 others)
[07:52] <raylu> yay.
[07:52] <vzduch> !info evolution
[07:52] <ubotu> evolution: groupware suite with mail client and organizer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2478 kB, installed size 7704 kB
[07:52] <intelikey> arun tbird
[07:52] <raylu> and my bootscreen is perfect now ^^
[07:52] <arun> oh evolution is different from novell evolution
[07:52] <intelikey> arun ff tbird mozilla in general
[07:53] <raylu> what does the ro option do, though?
[07:53] <intelikey> raylu read only
[07:53] <raylu> i see
[07:53] <raylu> the only diff in safemode is "single"
[07:53] <raylu> what's that?
[07:53] <arun> so kmail is the only good kde mail client?
[07:53] <raylu> arun, tbird!
[07:53] <intelikey> raylu because fs checking on a read/write fs is bad.
[07:53] <raylu> and evolution works on kde too
[07:54] <intelikey> raylu single user mode.   runlevel 1
[07:54] <vzduch> raylu: single-user mode, I'd say, equivalent to runlevel 1 in traditional terms
[07:54] <raylu> lol
[07:54] <raylu> awesome. now, if only my touchpad scrolled...
[07:54] <arun> i know it works on kde, but it doesn't look good
[07:55] <raylu> evolution is gtk, right?
[07:55] <arun> silly stuff like that is important to me :p
[07:55] <raylu> but you can change the gtk theme
[07:55] <arun> ?
[07:55] <arun> how
[07:55] <raylu> i don't know...yet :P
[07:55] <arun> haha
[07:55] <intelikey> default = the starting point on the very long road to "right"
[07:55] <arun> i'm using a theme for firefox.. so my firefox looks and works great
[07:56] <arun> i couldn't find any good theme for thunderbird
[07:56] <arun> all the good themes are for 1.5.x
[07:56] <raylu> no...for gtk, default = burns your eyes out, making it impossible to get to "acceptable"
[07:56] <arun> not for 2.0+
[07:56] <Fri> HI all,
[07:56] <intelikey> is all back ?
[07:56] <vzduch> lol
[07:57] <all> now he is'
[07:57] <all> hi fri
[07:57] <raylu> ah ha!
[07:57] <Fri> Hi
[07:57] <arun> what email clients do you use (that look decent)
[07:57] <raylu> alt+f1 > system settings > appearance > [bottom] , arun
[07:58] <Fri> do you know a good firewall for kubuntu
[07:58] <all> iptabels
[07:58] <raylu> !firewall
[07:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:58] <raylu> (don't use guarddog)
[07:58] <arun> raylu: i know how to do it, i mean where cani get good gtk styles
[07:58] <all> iptables is the linux firewall
[07:59] <raylu> arun, no idea :P
[07:59] <all> although ipchains has been used in the past...
[07:59] <raylu> what's so bad about thunderbird?
[07:59] <Fri> so you're telling me that installing a firewall is not necessary
[07:59] <raylu> well, its actually never neccessary
[07:59] <raylu> just make sure nothing is daemon-ing on your system
[07:59] <all> Fri do you have anti-virus setup   :)))
[08:00] <raylu> lol...
[08:00] <all> !virus
[08:00] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[08:00] <Fri> yes I use KlamAV
[08:00] <raylu> arun, http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/923/
[08:00] <dotz> how do i make apt-get such that when i type apt-get install lib<tab> then it will list all the matching packages?
[08:00] <all> Fri heh ok.   you should probably read that anyway &
[08:01] <all> dotz you don't....    but apt-get install lib*   will get them all...    you don't want that tho.
[08:02] <all> dotz bash completion    see /etc/bash_completion
[08:02] <all> or rather    . /etc/bash_completion       will enable it for that shell
[08:02] <dotz> oh
[08:02] <arun> raylu: thanks
[08:02] <dotz> completion let me try
[08:03] <raylu> ...
[08:03] <raylu> dotz, aptitude search lib
[08:03] <arun> raylu: is there any css file i can tweak to customise kmail?
[08:03] <vzduch> the city council of Rotterdam, the Netherlands, is going to close down 27 coffeeshops because they're located too close to schools
[08:03] <all> . /etc/bash_completion
[08:03] <raylu> arun, again, haven't used it in forever; never got that deep
[08:03] <raylu> but i doubt it reads colors and whatnot from a css file...
[08:03] <all> raylu he did specify apt  so   apt-cache search blah
[08:03] <dotz> all: do i have to make it executable? its not now
[08:03] <raylu> more likely xml or something similar
[08:03] <all> . /etc/bash_completion
[08:04] <raylu> all: i know...which is why i said aptitude :P
[08:04] <all> dotz just like that
[08:04] <all> . /etc/bash_completion
[08:04] <all> with the dot
[08:04] <dotz> -bash: ./etc/bash_completion: No such file or directory
[08:04] <all> you didn't use the dot
[08:04] <raylu> ...
[08:04] <vzduch> /etc/bash-completion
[08:04] <raylu> you mean no dot
[08:04] <dotz> i used
[08:04] <all> . /etc/bash_completion
[08:05] <all> tty3 [greg$~]  . /etc/bash_completion
[08:05] <all> tty3 [greg$~]
[08:05] <all> just like that.....     come on  you can do it.
[08:05] <raylu> o.0?
[08:05] <raylu> what does that do?
[08:06] <dotz> mdserver3:~# ./etc/bash_completion
[08:06] <dotz> -bash: ./etc/bash_completion: No such file or directory
[08:06] <raylu> dotz, with a space
[08:06] <dotz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root   211K 2006-12-12 05:20 bash_completion
[08:06] <dotz> oh
[08:06] <dotz> ok
[08:06] <dotz> got it!
[08:06] <all> dotz    so if you can't copy and paste a single line,  or even type it correctly i'm finished helping
[08:06] <dotz> thx alot
[08:06] <raylu> all, what does that do?
[08:07] <all> raylu enables bash_completion on that shell.
[08:07] <raylu> o.0
[08:07] <raylu> explain the command please?
[08:07] <all> raylu man it.
[08:07] <dotz> all: do i have to do that all the time or its a once-only thing?
[08:07] <raylu> No manual entry for bash_completion
[08:09] <makuseru> hi, i have a question about mplayer, when you do 'mplayer -dumpaudio video.avi' it dumps the audio stram out for you, is there anyway to dump only a portion of it out? just like point a to point b, instead of dumping the entire stream?
[08:09] <all> dotz for all the time you need to put it in a startup file   i,e,  ~/.bash_bashrc
[08:10] <all> if you put the exact same command in there    it will run it for you each time you open a shell
[08:10] <all> errr login to a shell   or how ever you understand it
[08:11] <klobster> shout out: http:/firewater.tv best band ever.  give em your ears, then give em your money
[08:11] <raylu> makuseru, i'm looking at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/man/en/mplayer.1.html
[08:11] <raylu> makuseru, you may want to try man mplayer
[08:12] <makuseru> already did
[08:12] <makuseru> klobster: stop spamming
[08:12] <raylu> audio-delay option
[08:13] <raylu> oh =\ that's probably not what you want
[08:13] <raylu> there's also a -delay for video, which does the same thing as -audio-delay [negative number]
[08:13] <makuseru> haha, no
[08:14] <makuseru> heres what im trying to do
[08:14] <makuseru> i have an anime with a song in it i want, i want to just dump the audio from that one portion out
[08:15] <raylu> ...get an ost?
[08:15] <vzduch> dump it all, fire up Audacity & cut the song out (or rather everything else; you can invert the marking
[08:16] <makuseru> raylu: there isnt an ost for it
[08:16] <raylu> name of the anime/song?
[08:16] <vzduch> ah, the city cleanup company & their sweeping machine.. you can adjust your watch after its appearance ;)
[08:16] <makuseru> vzduch: i can never get audacity to work
[08:17] <makuseru> raylu: its Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad, they have a ost for the japanese version, but i want a song from the english dub
[08:17] <force> holas :)
[08:17] <raylu> ew. that's disgusting.
[08:17] <makuseru> what
[08:17] <raylu> an english dub :P
[08:17] <makuseru> ha
[08:17] <makuseru> i usually have the same opnion about that
[08:18] <force> todos hablan ingles ?
[08:18] <force> ninguno espaol ?
[08:18] <makuseru> but the japanese version, they try to speak english, so it ends up being engrigh and horrible
[08:18] <vzduch> !es | force_
[08:18] <ubotu> force_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:19] <force> gracias
[08:19] <vzduch> de nada
[08:19] <raylu> actually...those just happen to be either
[08:19] <raylu> words that they have incorporated into their language
[08:19] <makuseru> no
[08:19] <raylu> or words in english that don't translate
[08:19] <makuseru> it is them trying to sing in all english
[08:19] <raylu> or...that =\
[08:19] <makuseru> its horrible
[08:20] <makuseru> you would just have to hear it to see what i mean
[08:20] <raylu> ok, agreed =\
[08:20] <raylu> i know what you're talking about
[08:20] <makuseru> that and FLCL are the only dubbed animes worth watching
[08:20] <raylu> flcl scares me; are you going to use vzduch's solution?
[08:21] <tino_> #kubuntu-es
[08:22] <makuseru> raylu: im going to try to get audacity to work again, but i doubt it will
[08:29] <qlr> hello, how do i install wine?
[08:29] <raylu> sudo aptitude install wine
[08:29] <qlr> cant finde it in Adept Manager, also tryed sudo apt-get install wine
[08:29] <qlr> raylu: will try, thx
[08:29] <raylu> er...then it won't work
[08:30] <raylu> and you need to update your repositories
[08:30] <raylu> !sources.lst
[08:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sources.lst - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:30] <raylu> !sources.list
[08:30] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:30] <qlr> i have all Repositories (multiverse too) enabled in Adept
[08:31] <vzduch> !medibuntu
[08:31] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[08:31] <raylu> o.0
[08:31] <qlr> vzduch: will try thx
[08:31] <vzduch> wine is in Universe though
[08:32] <dotz> !apt-get
[08:32] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[08:33] <qlr> okay, how do i add a repository?
[08:33] <vzduch> there are several ways.. one is editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:34] <dotz> hi how do i find out which are the repository are available for etch, sg servers?
[08:34] <vzduch> dotz: try in ##debian
[08:36] <aznpridechinese> need help, trying to play the harry potter dvd but kaffine is giving me an error
[08:36] <vzduch> !css
[08:36] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[08:36] <qlr> vzduch: i belive i installed the medibuntu repositoryes, but still no wine :(
[08:37] <vzduch> qlr: as I said, it's in Universe
[08:37] <aznpridechinese> i already have libdvdcss2 installed
[08:37] <qlr> vzduch: universe is enabled
[08:37] <vzduch> then it should be there
[08:37] <vzduch> <-- gotta run to work.. wish you a peaceful Friday the 13th :)
[08:38] <qlr> i get: libwine, libwine-dev and winefish nothing else :(
[08:38] <qlr> argh
[08:38] <qlr> anyone here would like to help me to install wine?
[08:39] <aznpridechinese> will gxine work in kde?
[08:41] <dotz> how do u monitor a file's size growing? is there a command to do that.. i remember its watch or something but forgot
[08:42] <raylu> watch --help
[08:43] <phoenixz> Hi there! I have a kubuntu installation with 3 audio devices: one onboard audio (not using it, cable cant reach there yet :) ), one usb audio stick (using that one for my stereo) and one usb phone.. Im using amarok with ALSA, but I have no sound! :( Who can help me to fix this?
[08:43] <qlr> need help getting wine...
[08:43] <Syntux> Hi
[08:44] <raylu> qlr, pastebin your sources.list?
[08:44] <raylu> i g2g =\
[08:44] <Syntux> I'm using ubuntu and would like to try kubuntu, is it safe just to apt-get kubuntu-desktop ? try it out and then remove it ?
[08:44] <qlr> raylu: argh
[08:44] <qlr> have a nice day
[08:44] <arun> i just figured out how to import from thunderbird to kmail and vice versa.. linux is so cool
[08:44] <qlr> ANYONE wanna
[08:45] <qlr> (sorry, bad enter usage) help me to get wine running?
[08:45] <arun> it's so easy to import and export emails without losing things, across platforms and applications
[08:45] <arun> using open formats
[08:45] <phoenixz> arun, about kmail, its kind of unstable here.. in 3 days using it I have had like 5 crashes.. is that normal for kmail?
[08:46] <arun> phoenixz: i haven't used it a lot, man.. just playing around with it
[08:47] <phoenixz> Me too so far, got tired of the quirks of thunderbird but now it seems that kmail isnt 100% ok either :(
[08:47] <arun> ha, i know what you mean
[08:47] <arun> what can you do
[08:47] <phoenixz> Anyway, if anybody could please help me with Amarok, thats my big problem right now :)
[08:48] <arun> What's up?
[08:48] <phoenixz> ardchoille, I could put up some music.. if my sound would work :)
[08:48] <phoenixz> arun, just that.. I have no sound.. firefox gives no sound (youtube for example), amarok nothing, etc..
[08:48] <phoenixz> so actually, its not amarok.. its more the entire sound system
[08:48] <arun> was your sound working before?
[08:49] <arun> i mean was it working before and suddenly stopped working? or did it never work?
[08:50] <solid_liq> anyone know if there are packages I can install for the latest kde 4 alpha on feisty?
[08:50] <phoenixz> arun, dunno... installed kubuntu like 3 days ago and never had time to check sound yet until now.. so no it never worked yet
[08:51] <KevInAlaska> Howdy Folks... Might I ask a question on how to get that weather applet I use to have in KDE.  That was another install that I had it but same kubuntu feisty version though.
[08:51] <whippy> morning
[08:52] <solid_liq> KevInAlaska: right click on kicker, Add applet to panel, then click get new stuff
[08:52] <solid_liq> KevInAlaska: or uh, apt-get install kweather maybe
[08:53] <solid_liq> KevInAlaska: I thought they'd integrated get new stuff into the applet menu already, sorry
[08:53] <KevInAlaska> ahhh.. the add button is greyed out, must be why missed it when I was looking for it.  why would it be grayed out, any ideas?
[08:53] <KevInAlaska> and thank you for the good feed back
[08:54] <arun> phoenixz: did you check if the sound was working when you booted the livecd?
[08:54] <arun> Anyone using VMWare here?
[08:56] <solid_liq> KevInAlaska: it's greyed out just because you don't have anything selectec
[08:57] <solid_liq> KevInAlaska: er, selected
[08:58] <KevInAlaska> ahhh.. okay thank you solid_liq .. cheers mate. :)
[09:04] <whippy> does someone know "dvb-utils"?
[09:04] <whippy> i cant use it...
[09:05] <kraut> moin
[09:05] <phoenixz> arun, nope, haven't checked.. I had fedora installed before and though problematic, sound worked.. I heard kubuntu sound should be better but its very quiet here
[09:05] <phoenixz> arun,  I have used vmware, but on fedora
[09:07] <phoenixz> Anybody who could help me with sound problems in kubuntu? The problem being.. eh.. that there is none, its quiet..
[09:08] <dotz> !time
[09:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:08] <dotz> what's that thing that auto update time
[09:09] <phoenixz> dotz, ntp services you mean?
[09:09] <dotz> AHHH thx
[09:09] <dotz> !ntpdate
[09:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntpdate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <phoenixz> dotz, Id say, use the adept manager to search for ntp
[09:13] <dotz> i have ntpdate but i don't know how to add a time server or let it auto update every time..hmm
[09:13] <dotz> ntp.conf?
[09:13] <whippy> does someone know, how to run dvb-s uncomplicatedly?
[09:13] <dotz> 13 Jul 23:13:09 ntpdate[4141] : no servers can be used, exiting
[09:17] <solid_liq> !kde4
[09:17] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[09:17] <rohan> is there some problem with the "Kubuntu Hardware Database" program ? all hdb's that i send using that program are listed as interim .. e.g. http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=95fa009ef390709fc17a743cc38d5942 and http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=4eebe92a8e973ae9122d74f6e476d5eb
[09:17] <ninHer> hi all
[09:19] <phoenixz> Hey all, how do I specify that a certain ALSA device must be used in for example amarok?
[09:19] <arun> if i find any GPL artwork, can i use it on a web site?
[09:19] <AmyRose> phoenixz: You could try creating a .asoundrc
[09:21] <rohan> arun: yes. and this is not the place to ask this question ..
[09:21] <arun> alright, sorry
[09:31] <phoenixz> AmyRose, with what in it?
[09:31] <phoenixz> AmyRose, Should sound not work out of the box? I have 4 audio devices and no sound..
[09:31] <rohan> can someone please give me the output of "ls /etc/init.d/hal*" on an up-to-date feisty system ? thanks ..
[09:32] <rohan> i am trying to debug a problem that is occuring on my system ..
[09:32] <phoenixz> rohan, /etc/init.d/halt
[09:32] <rohan> phoenixz: that's all ?
[09:33] <phoenixz> rohan, yeah, sorry to disappoint you :)
[09:33] <rohan> thanks phoenixz .. then it's surprising that there is no entry listed for hal
[09:33] <rohan> how would one control hal on a ubuntu feisty system, then ?
[09:33] <rohan> and i think it's a problem in the updated packages
[09:33] <phoenixz> rohan, not sure.. I do remember toying with HAL on Fedora, still having nightmares..
[09:34] <phoenixz> specially when it finally worked on FC5.. then FC6 came and hal was completely different :)
[09:36] <waylandbill> phoenixz: put the name of the device in the sound system's, hardware tab under Override Device Location in system settings
[09:37] <rohan> phoenixz: the live cd has scripts to control hal. the updated packages remove it.
[09:37] <rohan> the updated packages in -backports
[09:37] <phoenixz> waylandbill,what name would I put there? hw=3,0?
[09:38] <snipex> where can i set that kde doesnt restore my previous session ?
[09:38] <waylandbill> phoenixz: /dev/dsp or one of the other dsp devices.
[09:38] <simpul> helllooooooooooooooo
[09:38] <clouder_> system setting -> advanced -> sessions I think
[09:38] <snipex> ok ty
[09:39] <phoenixz> simpul, helly to you too
[09:39] <simpul> thnksu
[09:39] <ttf> hi.. where can I find documentation for kubuntu-feisty? on http://kubuntu.org/documentation.php I can only see the docs for edgy
[09:39] <waylandbill> phoenixz: device location refers to a device node in /dev.
[09:39] <ttf> I am looking for the docs preferably in german
[09:40] <imo> I want to install Adobe Acrobatreader in kde. Anybody knows if there is a kubuntu package for it so I can install using Adept Manager?
[09:40] <snipex> clouder_ i dont see any 'Advanced' icon
[09:40] <clouder_> snipex: it's a tab
[09:41] <phoenixz> Id just like to take a peek at the new kde4.. Could I simply install it with adept, take a look, and then remove it again later?
[09:41] <snipex> i dont see it
[09:41] <phoenixz> WITHOUT risk of breaking my machine?
[09:42] <clouder_> snipex: up top there aren't two tabs one that says General and another that says Advanced?
[09:42] <snipex> Start > System Settings > ?
[09:42] <snipex> no there arent
[09:42] <clouder_> hmm
[09:44] <clouder_> anyone know the console command to pull up the session settings dialog?
[09:45] <imo> Is anybody using Adobe Acrobatreader in kubuntu here? If so, how did you install it?
[09:45] <phoenixz> waylandbill, Just configured that.. nothing happens
[09:46] <phoenixz> waylandbill, the devices are there, they are not muted (checked that with alsamixer), but there is no sound
[09:46] <waylandbill> phoenixz: did the sound system restart when you configured that?
[09:47] <phoenixz> I think it did.. let me try that again to be sure
[09:48] <dotz> !cron
[09:48] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[09:48] <phoenixz> waylandbill, sound system restarted (or it said so) when I pressed apply in sound system system, settings, hardware.. Then I went to General, pressed "Test sound" and heard nothing again
[09:49] <dotz> why is it crontab -l gives me no crontab for root .. when /etc/crontab have some things?
[09:49] <imo> ok, question asked in a different way. How do I setup Adept Manager to find proprietary software as well? (such as adobe acroread and opera)
[09:49] <Lynoure> dotz: because you have no crontab for root but do have stuff in /etc/crontab :)
[09:50] <phoenixz> waylandbill, hey, the "test sound" works! Hah!
[09:50] <Lynoure> dotz: quite normal situation, that.
[09:50] <phoenixz> waylandbill, but amarok is still quiet..
[09:50] <dotz> Lynoure: so will those things in /etc/crontab be running?
[09:50] <phoenixz> getting closer..
[09:50] <phoenixz> and closer...
[09:50] <dotz> i'm abit confused now.. the guides ask me to add the commands in crontab -e
[09:50] <phoenixz> waylandbill, kde is also giving sound now
[09:50] <waylandbill> phoenixz: try closing amarok all the way down?
[09:51] <Lynoure> dotz: yes.
[09:51] <dotz> but i realise /etc/crontab is there.. wouldn't that be double job
[09:51] <Lynoure> dotz: not really, because the systemwide crontab can take the user parameter
[09:52] <dotz> let's say i used crontab -e and add something.. where is this file?
[09:52] <Lynoure> dotz: root's own crontab is just that user's crontab. But, yeah, for clarity's sake many people use just the systemwide one.
[09:52] <phoenixz> waylandbill, I set amarok to auto detect and now there is sound!
[09:52] <phoenixz> great! thanks!
[09:53] <waylandbill> not a problem
[09:53] <waylandbill> another satisfied customer. ;-)
[09:53] <arun> is there any app that opens ico files
[09:53] <phoenixz> waylandbill, errr.. same problem still persists with firefox.. :) youtube does not give audio.. would you happen to know.. ?
[09:54] <snipex> Choose K-Menu->System Settings->User Account from the Desktop Menu System. Click the Session Manager button on the left. Ensure that the Restore manually saved session checkbox is enabled.
[09:54] <snipex> and i found session manager in KDE Components !!!!
[09:54] <snipex> :@
[09:55] <Lynoure> dotz: /var/spool/cron/crontabs
[09:55] <phoenixz> waylandbill, I am VERY satisfied with kubuntu.. :) ex-fedora, but very much not complaining about it :) Its just that linux audio really could/should be a bit better.. its always so complex, and not really out of the box
[09:55] <Lynoure> dotz: see   man crontab  for more fun info
[09:55] <dotz> Lynoure: let's say i want to add a new task daily like ntpdate , i create a +x file in /etc/cron.daily ?
[09:55] <waylandbill> phoenixz: I don't know where flash reads it's sound configuration from. Once you find that, you'll be home free.
[09:55] <dotz> ok
[09:55] <Lynoure> dotz: that's how I'd do it :)
[09:56] <waylandbill> phoenixz: I couldn't bring myself to like FC, but it was at 3 or 4 when I last tried. As for the audio, it's hard when you have more than one device. It doesn't really know which one you want.
[09:57] <waylandbill> phoenixz: most of the time /dev/dsp is sufficient since most laptops and desktops only have one output device.
[09:58] <phoenixz> waylandbill, it would be nice if there was like this standard audio card selector that programs could implement.. then for each sound enabled program you could just select "card 3 for this one" and card 2 for that one
[09:58] <phoenixz> waylandbill, I have 4 :) disaster strikes!
[10:01] <phoenixz> Anybody who could help me with fixing audio on Firefox?
[10:02] <waylandbill> phoenixz: I'm not sure windows programs have a 'standard' way. Every program has it's own special way to select a mixer device there too.
[10:03] <arun> is there any app that opens .ico files?
[10:04] <phoenixz> waylandbill, does windows even support multiple audio devices? :)
[10:05] <waylandbill> phoenixz: sure it does. I used to record multiple audio conversations to hard drive using multiple devices under windows.
[10:06] <waylandbill> phoenixz: flash uses Enlightened or OSS. You'll have to configure one (or both) of those.
[10:07] <phoenixz> waylandbill, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204022
[10:07] <phoenixz> bless the day that flash will start using ALSA..  Adobe didn't seem to care for the longest time.
[10:08] <phoenixz> waylandbill, I know... But I think linux is not to be ignored anymore.. it was about time too
[10:15] <Lopin> HELP!
[10:15] <Lopin> Okay...  Not that urgent, but I am getting mad...
[10:15] <rohan> Lopin: what is the problem /
[10:16] <Lopin> Kay...    Can't boot off of the external, cause it's usb.  Can't get any boot floppies, or grub to work right...
[10:17] <Lopin> I'm still new to linux, so I might just be too much of a n00b to get this right...
[10:18] <ColdNunya> hello
[10:18] <SlimeyPete> Lopin: to be honest, it sounds like you're out of options. Getting hold of a replacement drive would probably be your best bet.
[10:18] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[10:19] <Lopin> Tried...  My computer manufacturer, Medion, used a proprietary drive, that they don't manufacture anymore...
[10:19] <waylandbill> Lopin: CD drives are rather cheap. Pop in a new one if you have an IDE channel open.
[10:19] <Lopin> I'd like some help with the idea of boot floppies, cause all I've found instruction-wise, just confuses me, so I just probably didn't make them right...
[10:19] <ColdNunya> my question is about detecting newly plugged in USB-HDD's.
[10:19] <Lopin> Laptop...
[10:19] <ColdNunya> in ubuntu\kubuntu
[10:20] <waylandbill> Lopin: ah. :-)
[10:20] <ColdNunya> i've tried the dmesg | last
[10:20] <ColdNunya> and sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[10:20] <Lopin> Does anyone know how to make a boot floppy?
[10:21] <waylandbill> Lopin: anything you find on booting from floppies is so outdated that it wouldn't be of much use.
[10:21] <ColdNunya> i've got a [/]  a [swap]  and 2x NTFS partitions
[10:22] <Lopin> Okay...  I did find something, that put GRUB on my windows partition, and had me modify my boot.ini file to launch it...  But when I went' to select it off of the boot menu, windows said that it needed to be reinstalled...
[10:22] <Lopin> Could I have done something wrong?
[10:22] <ColdNunya> anyone have a suggestion on mounting usb devices, or at least know the naming scheme
[10:22] <waylandbill> Lopin: if you know someone with a desktop, you can get a 2.5->3.5 adapter for a couple dollars and use their desktop to get the system installed.
[10:22] <ColdNunya> for the device
[10:23] <ColdNunya> mount -t vfat /dev/? /media/external
[10:23] <SlimeyPete> ColdNunya: usually /dev/sd* for usb stuff,I think
[10:23] <Lopin> Would that make it look like a standard IDE drive?  So, i could just install to the linux partition I've had sitting here for a few days?
[10:23] <ColdNunya> thats what i thought, but it detected my internal as sda1
[10:24] <SlimeyPete> ColdNunya: yeah, that's normal
[10:24] <SlimeyPete> pretty much everything seems to be sd* these days
[10:24] <Lopin> When I use Knoppix (or used, I should say) it called all my usb stuff usb(x)
[10:24] <waylandbill> Lopin. Right. It would just look like another drive in the desktop.
[10:26] <Lopin> Okay guys...  Thanks for the help...
[10:33] <gunix> [even|morn] ing
[10:34] <ColdNunya> i have to restart to get it to get it to recognize
[10:34] <gunix> I have a question about sound / line-input
[10:34] <ColdNunya> i've tried mounting every sda* n DEV
[10:35] <gunix> or getting stereo sound to work with mic input ?
[10:35] <yeniklasor> How can I connect internet with Zoom ADSL USB Modem?
[10:36] <dotz> i keep getting dpkg: error processing apache (--configure): in apt-get install apache
[10:36] <dotz> what should i do to clean it up? tried apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean
[10:37] <gunix> I cannot get any sound when plugging a jack into line-input, mic works but is mono only.
[10:42] <clouder> How do I keep my monitors from turning off after 30 minutes?  guidance power-manager crashes at kde start so I can't access displaymanager.  Is there any config file I can edit or something just to make kde not turn my monitors off?