[06:03] <Kilos> o/
[06:51] <dholbach> hey hey
[06:55] <Kilos> hi dholbach svij and all others
[06:55] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[07:01] <Mister_Q> good morning everyone o/
[07:05] <tsimonq2> hey dholbach!
[07:05] <dholbach> hi tsimonq2
[07:05] <tsimonq2> o/ Kilos and Mister_Q
[07:05] <Mister_Q> tsimonq2 dholbach o/
[07:06] <dholbach> hi Mister_Q
[07:13] <Kilos> hi tsimonq2 Mister_Q
[07:14] <Kilos> dpm too :D
[07:14] <dpm> hi Kilos
[07:14] <Mister_Q> hey Kilos dpm and whoever is awake right now ;)
[07:15] <tsimonq2> o/ dpm, how are you?
[07:15] <dpm> not too bad :)
[07:22] <Mister_Q> dpm Seems like I cant make it to the sprint in Heidelberg :( I'm on a new project and cant even take on day off
[07:22] <Mister_Q> *one
[07:22] <dpm> ah, bummer :/
[07:27] <Mister_Q> dpm but I got the 4 days off in november for ubucon europe
[07:28] <dpm> oh wow
[08:40] <svij> Mister_Q: you need 4 days off for the weekend event?
[08:41] <Mister_Q> kinda yes. I need to be on standby for some customers. even on weekends :/
[08:43] <svij> oh okay
[08:44] <Mister_Q> and every not answered call or email I do not reply on time is potential lost money :|
[08:46] <Mister_Q> svij how are your exams going ?
[08:53] <svij> Mister_Q: first one in 2,5 weeks, so still a bit time ;)
[08:53] <Mister_Q> svij okay :) Ive read your tweet about that this morning :D
[08:54] <svij> :D
[09:08] <dholbach> dpm, do you think I should come to the dev.u.c call in 23m? I'm in the middle of a patch pilot session right now and feel like I'm behind on a few other things too
[09:10] <dpm> dholbach, that's fine, I'll go
[09:10] <dholbach> thank you
[12:26] <Kilos> hi guys, how would someone wanting to apply for membership make their own wiki page nowadays
[12:33] <Mister_Q> Kilos, You need to be a member of this group on launchpad to be able to edit/create a page on the wiki. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad or did I get the question wrong?
[12:35] <Kilos> oh so any new comer can join the etherpad group and then make their own wqiki page
[12:35] <Kilos> hey Mister_Q why arent you applying to be on the membership board
[12:36] <Kilos> i thought the etherpad was spammed as well so one needs more to make wiki pages
[12:36] <Mister_Q> Kilos What are the requirements for that?
[12:37] <Kilos> you must be slim and sexy
[12:37] <Kilos> hehe
[12:37] <Mister_Q> oh :D
[12:38] <Kilos> ejat please tell Mister_Q whats needed
[12:38] <tsimonq2> Kilos: no no no
[12:38] <tsimonq2> Kilos: not the etherpad group
[12:38] <Mister_Q> Kilos dont know if there are additional steps for the wiki. I edited my wiki page last week and I'm only in the ubuntumembers and ubuntu-etherpad group
[12:38] <Kilos> oh
[12:38] <tsimonq2> there's a special group for that
[12:38] <tsimonq2> Mister_Q: ubuntumembers also has access
[12:39] <Mister_Q> ah
[12:39] <Kilos> so how does one become an ubuntumember
[12:39] <Kilos> hehe
[12:39] <Kilos> excuse the stupid questions
[12:40] <Mister_Q> Kilos I basically followed the instructions on the wiki wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[12:40] <Kilos> ty
[12:41] <Kilos> oh my
[12:41] <Kilos> thats where the snag is
[12:41] <Kilos> a new person wanting to become a member cant make a wiki page till he is a member
[12:42] <Kilos> and cant become a member till he has a wiki page
[12:43] <Mister_Q> Kilos I asked to be added to the etherpad group to be able to create my wiki page before I was a member. back then that was enough
[12:43] <Kilos> ok i will try get them to do that ty
[12:46] <svij> Kilos: I think popey or pleia2 knows more
[12:47] <Kilos> i see tsimonq2 applied to join the board
[12:47] <Kilos> well done
[12:47] <Kilos> ty svij ill see if one of them drop a reply here
[12:48] <tsimonq2> Kilos: how do you know that? :P
[12:49] <Kilos> i know everything
[12:49] <Kilos> except what i have forgotten
[12:49] <knome> mhall119 is also able to help.
[12:49] <knome> and davidcalle
[12:49] <tsimonq2> oh jeez that's right you're on the board Kilos, you saw my email directly... :P
[12:49] <Kilos> hahaha yeah
[12:50] <Kilos> ty knome
[12:50] <knome> np
[12:50] <Kilos> you with xubuntu?
[12:50] <knome> yep
[12:50] <Kilos> or lubuntu
[12:50] <Kilos> good
[12:50]  * tsimonq2 is Lubuntu
[12:51] <popey> Kilos: join ~ubuntu-wiki-editors to edit the wiki
[12:51] <popey> this is documented on tge wiki itself
[12:52] <knome> popey, right, i didn't know if that information was public
[12:52] <popey> it is
[12:52] <knome> i know now
[12:52] <Kilos> so can all newcomers then join there
[12:52] <popey> just not massively shouted about
[12:52] <popey> yes Kilos
[12:52] <knome> fwiw, if you need help with admin side...
[12:52] <popey> knome: thanks
[12:53] <popey> will review when i get back from vacation
[12:53] <knome> sure
[12:53]  * knome goes make some coffee
[12:53] <Kilos> ok so i can tell individuals to join
[12:53] <popey> yes Kilos
[12:53] <Kilos> ty popey
[12:53] <popey> np
[12:54] <popey> off to get in the pool. cheerio! :)
[12:54] <Kilos> enjoy
[12:54] <svij> popey: have fun ;)
[18:26] <hggdh> popey: good afternoon/evening. Will lp:~ubuntu-members be a member of the ubuntu-wiki-editors?
[18:26] <Kilos> hi hggdh all good?
[18:27] <hggdh> Kilos: hello sir! Life is good, as always
[18:27] <hggdh> Kilos: hopefully, for you as well
[18:28] <Kilos> yessir all ok here ty
[20:10] <popey> hggdh: no need
[20:13] <hggdh> popey: so I guess there are a few teams with access to edit, and u-members is one of them
[20:13] <popey> hggdh: both teams have edit rights
[20:13] <popey> yes
[20:13] <popey> 3 teams
[20:13] <popey> those two and ~canonical
[20:14] <hggdh> popey: ack


[00:38] <zradmin> negronji: odd I cant get it to work with that at all... it never seems to create the database in mysql
[00:39] <zradmin> negronji: I get the following in the debug log when trying to set it up "This charm doesn't know how to handle 'shared-db-relation-joined'
[00:42] <zradmin> negronjl: is there updated documentation anywhere? I'm still following the guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA
[00:43] <negronjl> zradmin, which charm is giving you the  error ?
[00:45] <zradmin> negronl: quantum-gateway when I'm connecting it to the mysql charm... I finish connecting it to rabbitmq and nova-ccc but the service never seems to come online either, i just get 503 errors
[00:46] <zradmin> negronjl: sorry i keep mispelling your username :)
[00:46] <negronjl> zradmin, no worries ...
[00:46] <negronjl> zradmin: that's interesting ... i don't get those issues at all ...
[00:47] <negronjl> zradmin: I assume that you are trying to deploy this thing in ha correct ?
[00:47] <zradmin> correct
[00:47] <sarnold> zradmin: (most irc clients let you type or two letters of a nickname then hit 'tab' to finish it up :)
[00:47] <negronjl> zradmin, let me check and do some digging
[00:47] <zradmin> sarnold: sweet, thx for the tip
[00:49] <negronjl> zradmin: can you pastebin your relations and your config?  Maybe i can find something odd there.
[00:52] <negronjl> zradmin, how are you relating mysql to quantum ?
[00:52] <zradmin> negronjl: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6476662/
[00:52] <negronjl> zradmin: juju add-relation quantum-gateway mysql-hacluster ?
[00:52] <negronjl> zradmin, Are you using juju-deployer ?
[00:53] <negronjl> zradmin: it looks like it
[00:53] <zradmin> negronjl: following the guide, its this command :juju add-relation quantum-gateway mysql
[00:53] <zradmin> negronjl: nope just did a quick export out of juju gui to get the relations and the rest is all my local.yaml file
[00:54] <negronjl> zradmin, ok
[00:54]  * negronjl reads
[00:57] <negronjl> zradmin, what revision of quantum-gateway are you using ?
[00:58] <negronjl> zradmin, the error you are getting tells me that your quantum-gateway charm is either broken or out of date
[01:02] <zradmin> negronjl: i am pullig directly from the charm store... v11 i think?
[01:02] <negronjl> zradmin, Also change your oopenstack-origin to "openstack-origin: cloud:precise-havana/updates"
[01:06] <zradmin> negronjl: ok im making the edits now
[01:08] <negronjl> zradmin, juju remove-relation quantum-gateway mysql and then juju add-relation quantum-gateway mysql
[01:08] <negronjl> zradmin, just to retry the thing ( and hope )
[01:09] <zradmin> negronjl: I'm actually redeploying the quantum charm from scratch just so its clean
[01:10] <negronjl> zradmin: ok
[01:29] <negronjl> zradmin, I can deploy it all on my testing environment
[01:29] <negronjl> zradmin, I'll check back here later but, for now, I have to go.
[01:44] <zradmin> negronjl: thanks for the help, I just finished getting it connected to mysql and this was the log file http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6476811/ - seems to have the same error
[01:46] <davecheney> zradmin: how did you relate to mysql:shared-db
[01:46] <davecheney> there is no relation called that
[01:46] <davecheney> or no implemention for that relation in the charm
[01:47] <zradmin> just running the juju add-relation quantum-gateway mysql command
[01:47] <davecheney> oh dear
[01:47] <davecheney> which version of the mysql charm have you deployed
[01:49] <zradmin> mysql-29
[01:50] <davecheney> zradmin: ok, while I look into this
[01:50] <davecheney> you should remove that relationship
[01:50] <davecheney> and do
[01:50] <davecheney> juju add-relation quantum-gateway mysql:db
[01:52] <zradmin> ok I'll give that a shot
[01:56] <davecheney> zradmin: mysql-29 implements shared-db-relation
[01:56] <davecheney> i think you may have an old versoin of the charm somehow
[01:57] <davecheney> even so, you probvably don't want to relate to that relation endpoint
[01:57] <davecheney> you want mysql:db
[01:57] <zradmin> is there any updated documentation for setting up the test environment?
[01:58] <zradmin> it seems like the publicly available wikis are very out of date
[02:01] <davecheney> zradmin: do you mean the local provider ?
[02:02] <zradmin> davecheney: so when i try and run juju add-relation quantum-gateway mysql:db it tells me "ERROR no relations found"
[02:02] <davecheney> zradmin: my mistake, please trye
[02:03] <zradmin> mysql:shared-db?
[02:03] <zradmin> looking at all the other charm relations that seems to be what they're connecting to
[02:03] <davecheney> yeah, just checked out quantum-gateway
[02:04] <davecheney> ok, i thnk were; back to mysql
[02:04] <davecheney> it looks like mysql-29 implements shared-db properly
[02:04] <davecheney> i cannot explain why you deployment of that charm is acting weirdly
[02:04] <davecheney> how did you deploy the mysql charm ?
[02:05] <zradmin> juju deploy --config local.yaml -n 2 mysql
[02:05] <zradmin> then juju deploy hacluster mysql-hacluster
[02:06] <zradmin> added the relationship to ceph and then to the mysql-hacluster
[02:06] <davecheney> zradmin: i'm sorry, i'm out of ideas
[02:06] <davecheney> if that is mysql-29 then it shold implemnt shared-db
[02:08] <zradmin> yeah i'm fairly confused as well
[02:26] <zradmin> is there a way to manually retrigger that specific hook?
[03:15] <davecheney> zradmin: is the unit in error ?
[03:16] <zradmin> nope.... thats the frustrating part - everything is started
[03:17] <davecheney> zradmin: i'm sorry, there is no way to do this if the unit is not in error
[03:17] <davecheney> you could tru
[03:17] <davecheney> juju resolved --retry $UNIT
[03:17] <davecheney> but I suspect it will tell you thre is nothing to do
[03:18] <zradmin> yeah it tells me the unit is not in an error state so it wont do anything
[03:19] <zradmin> I've tried destroying the relationship a few times and rebuilding it since then... but each time it still says that mysql doesnt understand the shared-db relationship
[03:19] <zradmin> which is pretty strange considering that glance/nova/keystone etc. all have databases and are working fine
[03:20] <davecheney> zradmin: can you do juju status $MYSQL_SERVICE
[03:22] <zradmin> here you go http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477065/
[03:29] <davecheney> zradmin: could you get me an ls -al of the charm hooks dir
[03:29] <davecheney> from memory it's somethignlike
[03:29] <davecheney> /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-0/hooks
[03:29] <davecheney> it'll be on machine 4
[03:31] <zradmin> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477095/
[03:33] <davecheney> zradmin: hmm, truncated but looks right
[03:33] <davecheney> on that same machine can you have a look in /var/lib/juju/unit-0.log
[03:34] <davecheney> for the bit about 'charm doesn't implement hook "shared-db-relation-joined" [sic]
[03:39] <zradmin> here it is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477110/
[03:40] <davecheney> zradmin: aah
[03:41] <davecheney> i think that might have been a red herrin
[03:41] <davecheney> the real issue appears to be
[03:41] <davecheney> 2013-11-26 02:35:45 INFO juju juju-log.go:66 mysql/0 shared-db:71: MySQL service is peered, bailing shared-db relation as this service unit is not the leader
[03:41] <davecheney> in fact, i don't think that is the error
[03:41] <davecheney> is an error
[03:41] <davecheney> if you look at the log on mysql/1
[03:41] <davecheney> you'll see (this time) it was the leader
[03:43] <zradmin> hmmm i thought so to at first but on the quantum-gw i cant find anything in neutron.conf relating to the mysql db backend
[03:43] <zradmin> or api-paste
[03:54] <zradmin> so this is what i get when i try and run a neutron command at the moment... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477139/
[03:58] <zradmin> the neutron.conf file on the gateway only has the rabbit host defined... but the neutron.conf on the nova-ccc has a sqllite database specified for some reason.... its the only reference to a database for neutron i can find. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477146/
[04:12] <zradmin> davecheney: I've tried standing up this environment 4 or 5 times since the havana release came out and i run into this wall each time.... its driving me crazy :)
[04:13] <davecheney> zradmin: i'm really sorry to hear that
[04:13] <davecheney> this is supposed to be easy
[04:13] <davecheney> did you find anything in the mysql/1 log ?
[04:16] <zradmin> i see it setting up nova.... and it is populating a quantum password field
[04:17] <zradmin> but i also have the 2013-11-26 02:35:42 INFO juju juju-log.go:66 mysql/1 shared-db:71: This charm doesn't know how to handle 'shared-db-relation-joined'.
[04:18] <zradmin> davecheney: yeah i love the power of juju and its much easier setting it up than tooling everything by hand... i just cant seem to figure out why those pices are giving me trouble. I do appreciate the help for sure!
[04:21] <davecheney> zradmin: thanks for the log
[04:21] <davecheney> that error isn't an error
[04:21] <davecheney> see the prevoius discussion
[04:21] <davecheney> *but* does mysql/1 also say that it is bailing out because it isn't the leader ?
[04:22] <zradmin> nope no bailing that i can see
[04:22] <davecheney> zradmin: ok, here is what I thin is happening
[04:22] <davecheney> 1. quantum-gateway is related to mysql:shared-db
[04:22] <davecheney> mysql is supposed to set some relation settings back to qyuantum-gw
[04:23] <davecheney> which in turn will make it switch from sqlite to using that mysql db
[04:23] <davecheney> but mysql isn't sending any relation settings (dunno why yet)
[04:23] <davecheney> and that is hwy quantum is using sqllite
[04:24] <zradmin> and not bringing the api online....
[04:24] <davecheney> it is possible that a change of relation hooks have to run to get things properly configured
[04:24] <zradmin> it should be logged in the /hooks directory right?
[04:24] <davecheney> no, nothing is logged in the hooks directory
[04:25] <davecheney> try removing and readding the relationship
[04:25] <zradmin> by logged... i meant the config its trying to push
[04:26] <davecheney> zradmin: hmm,, not really
[04:26] <davecheney> relation settings are only visible to hook commands via the relation-get hook command
[04:29] <zradmin> is that outside of the normal juju cli?
[04:30] <davecheney> yeah, there is no way to see relation settings unless youre using debug hooks in a hook context
[04:31] <zradmin> same issue with removing and readding the relationship
[04:32] <zradmin> ah so the unit would have to be stuck on a hook in order to see what its trying to do
[04:34] <davecheney> zradmin: i'm not sure stuck is the right thing to say
[04:35] <davecheney> but i'd guess that both mysql units think they are not hte master
[04:35] <davecheney> so *neither* are taking action and setting the relation settings to quantum-gw
[04:35] <davecheney> can you past the log of mysql/1 ?
[04:36] <zradmin> yeah I'll grab the end of it
[04:36] <davecheney> ta
[04:37] <zradmin> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477255/
[04:38] <zradmin> i know mysql is only running on /1 currently so it should be the master
[04:38] <davecheney> ok, so i can see it doing relation set
[04:38] <davecheney> what does the quantum-gw log say ?
[04:41] <zradmin> this looks like the relevant section here.... says it is missing the quantum/nova passwords
[04:41] <zradmin> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477270/
[04:46] <zradmin> and the database_host information apparently
[04:47] <davecheney> zradmin: ahh
[04:47] <davecheney> right
[04:47] <davecheney> here is what is going on
[04:47] <davecheney> 2013-11-26 02:35:49 INFO worker.uniter.jujuc server.go:108 running hook tool "relation-get" ["--format=json" "-r" "shared-db:71" "quantum_password" "mysql/0"]
[04:47] <davecheney> 2013-11-26 02:35:49 DEBUG worker.uniter.jujuc server.go:109 hook context id "quantum-gateway/1:shared-db-relation-changed:4235752611937240132"; dir "/var/lib/juju/agents/unit-quantum-gateway-1/charm"
[04:47] <davecheney> 2013-11-26 02:35:49 INFO worker.uniter.jujuc server.go:108 running hook tool "relation-get" ["--format=json" "-r" "shared-db:71" "nova_password" "mysql/0"]
[04:47] <davecheney> ^ quantum has decided that ONLY mysql/0 has the relation data it wants
[04:48] <davecheney> *but* mysql/1 is the unit which provided the relation data
[04:48] <zradmin> that makes alot of sense
[04:49]  * davecheney disappears down a charm helpers rabbit hole
[04:49] <davecheney> zradmin: short version
[04:49] <zradmin> doesnt it try and get itt from /1 as well though?
[04:49] <davecheney> deploy one mysql unit
[04:49] <zradmin> 2013-11-26 02:35:49 INFO worker.uniter.jujuc server.go:108 running hook tool "relation-get" ["--format=json" "-r" "shared-db:71" "db_host" "mysql/1"]
[04:49] <davecheney> and i'll work
[04:49] <davecheney> yeah
[04:49] <davecheney> ok
[04:49] <davecheney> that is weird
[04:49] <davecheney> so what is after line 33
[04:51] <zradmin> next batch http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477293/
[04:51] <zradmin> looks like its just writing the config files
[04:52] <zradmin> checked the nova.conf on the host.... and it has its db line<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:54] <davecheney> zradmin: ok, do you want to wait til the unit reaches swtarted state
[04:54] <davecheney> all these logs are truncated
[04:56] <zradmin> is there a way to get more verbosity?
[04:59] <davecheney> zradmin: most people complain they are too verbose :)
[04:59] <davecheney> that's all you get i'm afraid
[04:59] <davecheney> is the unit in started state ?
[04:59] <zradmin> yeah all of them are
[05:00] <davecheney> right
[05:01] <davecheney> does quantum-gw work ?
[05:01] <davecheney> it looks like it's missing a restart action somewhere
[05:03] <zradmin> nope i just get that 503 service not found error everytime i try and query neutron
[05:06] <davecheney> zradmin: i think quantum-gw runs under upstart
[05:06] <davecheney> can you go to the unit and do a service restart
[05:06] <davecheney> on the service
[05:06] <davecheney> maybe that will get it going
[05:08] <zradmin> ok that services doesnt exist on the quantum-gateway nodes
[05:09] <zradmin> looks like its called neutron-server and exists on the nova-ccc
[05:18] <zradmin> davecheney: i restarted the quantum-gw nodes... but still no dice
[05:27] <freeflying> zradmin, is yours ha deployment?
[05:28] <zradmin> freeflying: yup been following the ha guide posted here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/OpenStackHA
[05:29] <zradmin> adjusted for havana of course
[05:29] <freeflying> zradmin, does keystone work properly
[05:31] <freeflying> zradmin, also <IP_ADDRESS> is the vip of your mysql cluster?
[05:31] <zradmin> freeflying: yup, keystone, glance, nova, and cinder are fine
[05:31] <zradmin> freeflying: correct
[05:32] <zradmin> freeflying: only neutron and horizon are currently not working... horizon is because of neutron though :)
[05:33] <freeflying> zradmin, any log from the node
[05:33] <zradmin> which node
[05:34] <freeflying> on your quantum
[05:34] <zradmin> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477270/, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6477293/
[05:37] <freeflying> zradmin, you need login to the node, check it under /var/log/neutron
[05:37] <freeflying> zradmin, also make sure your can connect to mysql from quantum node
[05:38] <zradmin> freeflying: ok workin on it
[05:38] <zradmin> freeflying: in var/log/neutron which agent do you want
[05:39] <freeflying> zradmin, just some clues for your debugging, you need check from there
[05:42] <zradmin> freeflying: ok trying to connect to mysql its telling me mysql is not installed on the quantum node
[05:43] <freeflying> zradmin, by default no mysql client, you need install it
[05:44] <zradmin> freeflying: ok just wanted to make sure I wouldnt mess something up by installing it
[05:44] <freeflying> zradmin, no
[05:45] <zradmin> freeflying: yes, i can connect to the mysql server from the quantum node
[05:49] <zradmin> freeflying: ok... so there is a quantum database/user in mysql, but no neutron database or user as specified in the nova-ccc charm
[05:56] <davecheney> win4
[06:03] <zradmin> davecheney: wasnt there a hook that rewrote all of the quantum references to neutron?
[06:04] <davecheney> zradmin: i'm not sure
[06:04] <davecheney> i'd have to check
[06:10] <zradmin> davecheney: ok its hooks/charmhelpers/contrib/openstack/neutron.py - it looks like most everything from nova-compute/cc and quantum-gw is installing neutron properly... but the database/users created are still named for quantum
[06:13] <davecheney> zradmin: cool
[06:13] <davecheney> so we've eliminated mysql
[06:13] <davecheney> it's down to quantum-gateway charm
[06:16] <freeflying> zradmin, in grizzly, its call neutron already in mysql
[06:17] <zradmin> freeflying: all my grizzly deploys stood up with quantum
[06:19] <freeflying> zradmin, interesting, here it s neutron :)
[06:21] <zradmin> freeflying: what were you using for the source/openstack-origin?
[06:21] <zradmin> freeflying: mine was cloud:precise-grizzly
[06:21] <freeflying> zradmin, then one from cloud archive
[06:25] <zradmin> freeflying: same here
[06:34] <zradmin> davecheney: in the next couple of days I'll stand up a second mysql on a single node and try to attach quantum-gw to that and see what database it creates. thanks for all the help tonight
[06:35] <davecheney> zradmin: you're welcome
[06:35] <davecheney> thanks for your persistance
[06:35] <zradmin> davecheney: hopefully I'll have something to help focus the investigation further :)
[11:33] <Spacemonkey> Greetings, fellow jujulians. Er, jujumians. Ah, oh whatever.
[11:33] <Spacemonkey> Anybody here know how to share juju setups for AWS across multiple machines?
[11:34] <Spacemonkey> Looks like just copying the .juju folder is not enough, my developers can create/deploy/destroy but not ssh.
[11:35] <davecheney> Spacemonkey: yes, they all need to share the same ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[11:36] <Spacemonkey> Oh, now that's going to get complicated. LOL
[11:37] <Spacemonkey> Ok thanks dave, glad to hear what I need to do.
[11:38] <davecheney> Spacemonkey: the back story is when you bootstrap the ssh key of the person that bootstrapped it copied to the ubuntu user on all the workstations
[11:38] <davecheney> err, not workstations
[11:38] <Spacemonkey> How about using juju for different aws accounts? Do I just create a second environment, or do I have to swap out .juju folders every time I switch?
[11:38] <davecheney> machines in the environment
[11:38] <davecheney> Spacemonkey: thre are a few optoins
[11:38] <davecheney> one is to set $JUJU_HOME
[11:38] <davecheney> which does the same as switching .juju
[11:38] <davecheney> the second is you can put your AWS creds into your .juju/environments.yaml
[11:39] <davecheney> rather than letting them flow in from your environment vars
[11:40] <Spacemonkey> Ok thanks that makes sense. Perhaps $JUJU_HOME will be the easiest option for me, and just have .juju-personal and .juju-work and .juju-client1 and so on.
[11:41] <Spacemonkey> My ssh key is being used for a bazillion things though - can I just swap out the ssh keys on all running instances for the ubuntu user?
[11:44] <davecheney> Spacemonkey: you can also give the path to the ssh key in your environments.yaml
[11:44]  * davecheney checks that
[11:45] <Spacemonkey> I see access-key and secret-key, but nothing about ssh keys there.
[11:46] <davecheney> actually, scrach that
[11:46] <davecheney> i don't know what i was thinking
[11:47] <Spacemonkey> Dang you got me all excited.
[11:53] <Spacemonkey> Ok thanks for helping me figure this out dave.
[12:35] <marcoceppi> Spacemonkey: ssh-authorized-keys is what youre looking for
[12:35] <marcoceppi> you can only set it prior to deployment though
[12:36] <marcoceppi> it's not really documented anywhere though
[14:10] <gnuoy> jamespage, sorry to hassle you but do you have an idea when you might get a chance to look again at https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/precise/quantum-gateway/external-nets/+merge/194153 ? I'm switching projects at then end of the week and it'd be useful to know if it's likely to be re-reviewed before then
[14:18] <jamespage> gnuoy, this week
[14:19] <gnuoy> thanks
[15:30] <Spacemonkey> marcoceppi: aah-authorized-keys? Is that in environments.yaml somewhere or? Thanks for pointing me in this direction though.
[16:48] <jcastro> <-- lunch
[19:20] <dpb1> Hi -- how do I import a juju environment onto another machine now?  with pyjuju I could just connect, now I seem to need a CA certificate in the environment configuration?  Do I need to copy the .jenv file out of band?
[19:35] <dpb1> hazmat: do you know ^?
[20:25] <hazmat> dpb1, jenv has all you need
[20:25] <hazmat> dpb1, its meant as distribution format for sharing, captures everything into a single file (certs, conn details, etc)
[20:25] <dpb1> hazmat: ok.  That is the "official" way to do it?  or is there a command?
[20:26] <dpb1> ok
[20:26] <hazmat> dpb1, at the moment just share the file afaik, you also need a skeleton in env.yaml, but cli pulls preferentially from jenv over env.yaml config
[20:26] <hazmat> actually not sure about the skeleton haven't tried it..
[20:26]  * hazmat tries
[20:27] <dpb1> hazmat: interesting...  the intersection and discrepencies between these files is confusing, as we already talked about.
[20:28] <hazmat> dpb1, yeah it is.. so environments.yaml has to exist, but that its.. doesn't currently need any reference to the actual env that's in jenv.
[20:29] <dpb1> wow
[20:29] <dpb1> so is the plan to migrate away from environments.yaml?
[20:29] <hazmat> ie mkdir jhome && export JUJU_HOME=jhome && cp /old/home/environments/manual.jenv $JUJU_HOME/environments && juju init && juju status -e manual works.. even though there's no 'manual'  in environments.yaml
[20:30] <hazmat> kinda of funky
[20:30] <hazmat> dpb1, not that i'm aware of re migration
[20:30] <dpb1> ok
[20:30] <hazmat> dpb1, this is more cache and share afaics
[20:30] <dpb1> til: don't rely on environments.yaml so much. :)
[20:31] <hazmat> dpb1, well the issue is when the cache gets stale.. destroy-enviroment clears out the corresponding jenv.. but more importantly
[20:31] <hazmat> environment.yaml is not live data anymore,
[20:31] <hazmat> updates must go through get-env/set-env
[20:32] <dpb1> ya, that is also new to me...  the file is misleading for a pyjuju user for sure.  Maybe it doesn't matter for new users.
[20:33] <InformatiQ> what's up
[21:43] <cmark> Does juju support moving a bootstrap node from one machine to another?  e.g. for fail-over/high-availability
[23:56] <freeflying> cmark, not at this moment


[00:13] <GradusFirst> hello
[00:13] <GradusFirst> who is from russia?
[00:14] <GradusFirst> fuck off
[00:38] <Guest46177> boa noite pessoal
[00:39] <Zoinhodeboa> a semana se acaba e o bem dito horario de verao tb
[00:48] <administrador> hola
[01:51] <shane4ubuntu> ok, what is the best way while previewing pictures in KDE to quickly and easily shrink the pictures?
[01:54] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, slow in here tonight
[01:55] <maco> shane4ubuntu: gwenview
[01:55] <maco> it has resize and batch resize
[01:55] <maco> and it's installed by default
[01:56] <shane4ubuntu> maco is that what opens a picture when I click it in dolphin?  as default?
[01:56] <maco> yes
[01:56] <shane4ubuntu> ok, I must be blind because I'm not seeing it.
[01:57] <maco> shane4ubuntu: is the left pane visible for you right now? if not click that little tab on the upper left area
[01:57] <shane4ubuntu> yes
[01:57] <maco> shane4ubuntu: there's a "resize" button
[01:58] <maco> oh sorry, make sure you're on the Operations tab (look at the bottom of the pane)
[01:58] <shane4ubuntu> maco, ahh, I just saw the tabs at the bottom of that left hand bar
[01:58] <maco> anyway, yes, resize button?
[01:58] <shane4ubuntu> thanks!
[01:58] <shane4ubuntu> yes
[01:58] <maco> it asks for the width in pixels
[01:58] <maco> shane4ubuntu: and then you can also select a whole bunch of images in browse mode and use plugins -> batch -> resize
[01:59] <shane4ubuntu> ok, right now at the very top it shows filename - 3264x2448 - 25%   I assume that is pixels too?
[01:59] <shane4ubuntu> maco thanks a bundle for that info.
[01:59] <shane4ubuntu> that was my next question
[01:59] <maco> yep
[01:59] <maco> thats the pixels and the zoom level
[01:59] <shane4ubuntu> so half size would be like 1632
[02:00] <maco> yes
[02:02] <shane4ubuntu> maco thanks a bundle for all that info!
[02:02] <maco> np
[02:03] <shane4ubuntu> maco one more thing, the plugins is empty, is that kipi-plugins?  I'm installing that since it was the only thing that came up for gwenview plugin
[02:04] <maco> yes
[02:04] <shane4ubuntu> ok, thanks
[02:04] <maco> too big to fit on the cd
[02:04] <maco> or....too much higher priority stuff to find a way to make it fit ;-)
[02:26] <negercer> hi
[02:29] <negercer> hola
[03:32] <ecinx> i need help installing someething
[03:32] <ecinx> it's getting me aggravated
[03:33] <ecinx> i've spent over 9 hours already trying to get this shit to wokr
[03:33] <c2tarun> ecinx: what you want to install?
[03:33] <ecinx> quartus
[03:34] <ecinx> it comes in a 3gb sh file
[03:34] <c2tarun> what problem are you facing? you changed the mode of sh file to executable?
[03:34] <ecinx> so i did $ sudo sh ./quartus.sh
[03:34] <ecinx> yes
[03:35] <c2tarun> try only sudo ./quartus.sh
[03:35] <ecinx> i've done that too
[03:35] <c2tarun> what error are you getting?
[03:35] <ecinx> pastebin.net?
[03:35] <c2tarun> yup use it.
[03:35] <c2tarun> ecinx: give me the link of pastebin.
[03:38] <ecinx> http://pastebin.com/1Uz4tQEY
[03:39] <ecinx> i don't know what's the best syntax highlight to choose there so i left it default, sorry
[03:40] <ecinx> line 39 is because  altera_installer_cmd is in  alt.in/bin folder
[03:43] <c2tarun> ecinx: you dont have any desktop env?
[03:43] <ecinx> what's that?
[03:45] <ecinx> kde?
[03:45] <snowshow> hi all
[03:45] <ecinx> hello
[03:50] <ecinx> c2tarun, have an idea on what i can do?
[03:50] <hedioz> hi...
[03:50] <hedioz> =D
[03:51] <hedioz> did smbdy know how to change directly on my netbook between netbook apearence and desktop apearence?
[03:51] <hedioz> ?
[03:52] <hedioz> help
[03:52] <hedioz> lol
[03:52] <ecinx> I don't know the answer to your question but best i can say is log out
[03:52] <hedioz> yeah i know
[03:52] <ecinx> and log in w/  what you want ot use
[03:52] <ecinx> i can't do that in  gnome or ubuntu-desktop thought, just kde plasma
[03:52] <hedioz> by this way i know...but i remember to see some workapearence management
[03:52] <hedioz> :\ whatever
[03:52] <hedioz> lol
[03:53] <hedioz> =D btw, tks ecinx
[03:53] <ecinx> i crash on logout for gnome or anything else other than KDE
[03:54] <ecinx> I wanted to try 'utouch'
[03:54] <c2tarun> ecinx: sorry, I was busy, ask you question onn #kubuntu-devel somewhere will surely help you there. use that pastebin and post ur message u'll get reply. and I have no idea whats wrong. :)
[03:54] <ecinx> but didn't know how
[03:54] <ecinx> thanks for your help
[03:55] <ecinx> you think someone is awake there at this time?
[03:55] <hedioz> if we are
[03:55] <hedioz> =D
[03:57] <ecinx> c2 you think you can decrypt the scripts  if  i pastebin them?
[04:03] <ecinx> c2tarun, no on is in thtat rooom
[04:03] <ecinx> http://pastebin.com/cn0u5ABW
[04:05] <c2tarun> ecinx: don't worry :) leave your message there, when anyone will see he'll reply. It'll take time. Meanwhile you can also post ur query on www.ubuntuforums.org that may help
[04:05] <ecinx> thanks
[04:06] <negercer> Do you know about 3D movies in Linux?
[04:06] <ecinx> I have another question.. I'm at home, in my tiny 12 inch screen. Most of this stuff  I have on top of each other and a whole bunch of tabs
[04:07] <ecinx> is there a way that i can share the monitor of another compute rwith my computer?
[04:07] <ecinx> let me rephrase
[04:07] <c2tarun> ecinx: you are using kubuntu right?
[04:07] <ecinx> I have a computer at home and can i use that computer's monitor  as anohter desktop controlled with this computer?
[04:08] <c2tarun> ecinx: someone replied on #kubuntu-devel ;)
[04:08] <ecinx> like I get confused switching keyboards  and mouses.. i would like to use one
[04:09] <c2tarun> ecinx: why share a monitor, when you can have more than one workspace env on same monitor :)
[04:10] <ecinx> hmm
[04:10] <ecinx> this is small and the resolution isn't excellent
[04:10] <ecinx> yet this computer is faster than my desktop
[04:11] <ecinx> it's core i7 2.1  the desktop is amd phenom II  @ 2.6 ish 3 years old
[04:11] <ecinx> i have 8gb here vs 6 on desk, and the 6 is not optimized since it's 3 sticks and amd is suppose to be dual channel
[04:12] <c2tarun>  ecinx: not sure about computers but yeah laptops have one port through which we can use external monitors, but that's not sharing, that is switching kind of thing
[04:13] <ecinx> yeah.. i don't want to do that, and i know i can vlc/rdp
[04:13] <ecinx> i have an idea
[04:14] <ecinx> what if i vlc into this computer, but  it sees a second workspace?
[04:15] <ecinx> but i want the second workspace to be invisible to this computer since the desktop is 1920x1080 and this is idk but definatley not 1080p
[04:25] <poyntz> kubuntu 10.10, sound through amarok is fuzzy and low quality (through speakers).. how can i change this to get the clear sound I get on windows 7?
[04:27] <poyntz> - my rig is logitech x-230, 2 satelites and 1 subwoofer
[04:28] <Daskreech> hi poyntz
[04:30] <poyntz> hi Daskreech
[04:38] <mcurran> Anyone here ever setup a beowulf cluster at home?
[04:39] <ecinx> how can i fix the text on my desktop, they look aweful
[04:43] <ecinx> is it under system settings  >> application appearance , left side font icon
[04:43] <ecinx> use anti aliasing configure ??
[04:50] <prada> alguien habla espanol
[04:51] <tsimpson> !es
[06:34] <xman> hi
[06:35] <xman> in ubuntu 11.04 ''Wayland will replace the X server (and Xorg) - ''
[06:35] <bazhang> xman, not so
[06:35] <bazhang> xman,  #ubuntu+1 for natty discussion and support
[06:35] <xman> so ubuntu 11.04 will have gnome interface?
[06:36] <bazhang>  /join #ubuntu+1
[07:17] <ecinx3> how do i fix my monitor the red text is blurry and some text is illegible.
[07:18] <ecinx3> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1505346&highlight=monitor+text   he states that the dpi should be 92, i don't ahve an option for 92 just 96 and 120
[07:18] <Daskreech> ecinx3: was it always like that?
[07:18] <ecinx3> not in windows, not that i remember
[07:20] <ecinx3> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1285536.html on a page like this i get a headache looking at  the text
[07:20] <SDemonUA> Do you  use --no-apic , during system loads?
[07:20] <ecinx3> in my laptop it looks tiny but super clear
[07:21] <ecinx3> SDemonUA,  I don't know what that is  :(
[07:22] <SDemonUA> it's an option for the grub (or lilo)
[07:23] <ecinx3> i never messed with it
[07:23] <SDemonUA> when you see your bootloader you may chose what to load - linux , linux (save mode) , may be windows - and you have som buttons (or text buttons) to change options for that selects
[07:25] <ecinx3> what does it --no --apic do?
[07:25] <ecinx3> --no-apic*
[07:27] <SDemonUA> clealry not remember , but it fixes some problems with video drivers or somthing like that
[07:27] <SDemonUA> i use linux just a week )
[07:27] <ecinx3> oh
[07:27] <ecinx3> well from what i've read it's not relevent
[07:33] <SDemonUA> Just made awesome thing - I madea bash script that use promt and automaticaly put there password
[07:34] <nata> ecinx3: you use kubuntu?
[07:34] <ecinx3> yes
[07:35] <ecinx3> according to http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/subpixel.php#subpixel-font.png i should be on RGB
[07:36] <ecinx3> i don't kno w much but after hours of googling
[07:37] <ecinx3> it has something to do that the subpixel thingie that i set on kde appearance.. doesn't cover all bases and there's something else with qt and x
[07:37] <nata> ecinx3: if you use desktop monitor, press "auto" button and see
[07:39] <ecinx3> there's a button called auto but it does nothing
[07:42] <nata> ecinx3: at application appearance in system settings/colors/scheme check back to default then at colors tab click reset and defult
[07:46] <ecinx3> it changed the colors of my windows to the old colors
[07:46] <ecinx3> and made the text even worse
[07:50] <nata> ecinx3: sorry friend, i juz wan makesure you change to default. now you can go to Fronts tab, at use anti-aliasing box click enable, hinting style use medium then restart only can know. If after restart stil cannot you only check back enable to system setting
[07:50] <Daskreech> SDemonUA: :)
[07:52] <ecinx3> it is in medium and AA is enabled
[07:53] <ecinx3> i've restarted since
[07:53] <nata> ecinx3: another box dnt check
[08:04] <freakabcd> hi all
[08:04] <freakabcd> how do i install kubuntu 4.6 on an existing ubuntu 10.10 install?
[08:04] <bazhang> kubuntu-desktop package
[08:05] <freakabcd> the website says to add ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports   but this results in a keyserver error!
[08:05] <bazhang> freakabcd, how did you add the ppa
[08:05] <freakabcd> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[08:05] <ecinx3> do you ahve kubuntu ?
[08:05] <freakabcd> no
[08:06] <freakabcd> i have ubuntu 10.10. i just said that!
[08:06] <bazhang> add that first?
[08:06] <ecinx3> kubuntu desktop is in the software center
[08:06] <ecinx3> w/o any frills
[08:06] <ecinx3> do that first
[08:07] <ecinx3> then you can  mess with the ppa
[08:07] <ecinx3> and apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:08] <ecinx3> go to the ubuntu software center and type 'kubuntu-desktop'
[08:08] <ecinx3> install that first
[08:08] <freakabcd> so i need to install kubuntu-desktop first that installs 4.5 ?
[08:09] <freakabcd> and then add the ppa repo?
[08:09] <freakabcd> it makes NO sense
[08:09] <ecinx3> i don't know which it will install first because
[08:09] <freakabcd> why cannot i add the ppa without having kubuntu-desktop installed
[08:09] <ecinx3> it gets updated
[08:09] <freakabcd> its not like it magically makes apt-add-repository connect to the keyserver!
[08:10] <ecinx3> well i have 4.6 in my laptop and desktop
[08:10] <ecinx3> my laptop was ubuntu by itself at first and i just did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <bazhang> freakabcd, why not try it
[08:10] <ecinx3> and that worked perfectly
[08:11] <ecinx3> bazhang, i'm pretty sure the ppa is for dist-upgrade to get the betapacks anyways
[08:11] <ecinx3> not to get kubuntu-desktop
[08:11] <bazhang> ecinx3, must be
[08:11] <bazhang> well backports
[08:13] <ecinx3> i wish they had a touch/tablet  optimized version
[10:10] <ecinx3> what is disk cache? it says i have 68mb free physical memory
[10:10] <ecinx3> 75% is disk cache
[10:11] <valorie> disk cache is space on your HD where the system can temporarily write data
[10:12] <ecinx3> but in kde control mudule memory
[10:13] <ecinx3> it says disk cache is using 75% of my phyical memory
[10:13] <ecinx3> disk cache = 5.69gb
[10:37] <valorie> ecinx3: a process uses your memory
[10:37] <valorie> the cache is merely available
[10:38] <valorie> what this is telling you is that you only have a certain amount of RAM available
[10:38] <valorie> and the rest will have to be written and read again from your disk
[10:38] <valorie> which is slower, of course
[10:39] <valorie> if you are having slowdowns, and notice a lot of disk activity, you can speed things up by adding RAM
[10:40] <valorie> naturally, if you are using memory intensive apps, you can quit other stuff, which will again free up ram
[11:20] <Taggnostr> for some reason the system clock loses 20-30 mins every day, even without restarting the pc. Do you know what could cause this and how can I fix it?
[11:24] <valorie> I had a computer where that happened
[11:24] <valorie> but 20 or 30 minutes?
[11:24] <valorie> mine lost 2 or 3
[11:25] <valorie> I would set up a cron job with ntpdate?
[11:25] <valorie> let me google that, and see if that's correct
[11:25] <valorie> it's been awhile
[11:25] <susundberg> i guess there is daemon?
[11:25] <susundberg> openntpd
[11:26] <susundberg> "It provides the ability to sync the local clock to remote NTP servers and can act as NTP server itself, redistributing the local clock.
[11:26] <susundberg> "
[11:26] <valorie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=430848
[11:27] <valorie> cron is a daemon, you could say
[11:27] <valorie> that you set up to run regularly
[11:27] <valorie> usually people only do it on startup, or daily, or something
[11:27] <valorie> but it sounds like you have a really crappy clock chip
[11:29] <susundberg> yeah sure, but afaik that NTP daemon syncs itself to remote clocks 'continously'
[11:30] <susundberg> Hey actuallySetting->Date&Time has checkbox "Set date and time automatically"
[11:30] <valorie> you can set the cron to run as often as you like
[11:30] <valorie> you don't want to spam the server though
[11:30] <valorie> off to bed for me, though
[11:35] <sri13> Hi , I want to develop some code for kde , which application is preferrable ?
[12:04] <Taggnostr> susundberg, I checked the "Set date and time automatically" already but I think it does that once a day
[12:50] <dfaure> Riddell: in 10.10 there's a missing dependency from kontact to libkontactinterface4
[12:51] <Riddell> dfaure: let me look
[12:52] <dfaure> hmm and other libs. And after removing kontact, trying to reinstall it says "kontact: Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.6) but 4.4.8 is to be installed....
[12:53] <dfaure> (4.4.8 is installed, not "to be installed")
[12:53] <dfaure> I have maverick and maverick-updates enabled
[12:58] <Riddell> dfaure: you must have a PPA or have had a PPA enabled, 4.4.8 isn't in the main archive
[12:58] <dfaure> I don't have any PPA at the momeny
[12:59] <dfaure> and none in sources.list.distUpgrade either
[12:59] <Riddell> dfaure: what does  apt-cache policy libkdepim4  say?
[12:59] <dfaure> 4.4.8 from /var/lib/dpkg/status and 4.4.6 from maverick/main
[12:59] <dfaure> sure there wasn't a 4.4.8 in maverick-updates (or lucid-updates) at some point?
[13:01] <Riddell> dfaure: hmm lucid-updates yes, did you upgrade from lucid/10.04?
[13:01] <dfaure> Riddell: yes
[13:01] <dfaure> (this is my wife's machine, of course; I compile my own kde on my machines)
[13:02] <Riddell> dfaure: so what's the state of the machine at the moment?  upgraded except for kdepim?
[13:02] <dfaure> yep
[13:02] <dfaure> fully working 10.10, but broken kontact
[13:04] <Riddell> dfaure: ok add the kubuntu updates PPA for newer kdepim and SC 4.5.5
[13:04] <Riddell> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[13:04] <dfaure> will do; shouldn't this get fixed in maverick-updates though, for everyone who doesn't know you personnally? :)
[13:06] <shadeslayer> hello users ( insert tron joke here )
[13:06] <Riddell> dfaure: yes it should, people wanted updates packages in the LTS but of course it has led to this sort of issue, thanks for letting me know, I'll get it updated
[13:06] <dfaure> thanks, I'm in no rush so I'll rather wait for that to happen, seems like using a PPA is just recipe for trouble in future upgrades :-)
[13:07] <Riddell> dfaure: in that case you can remove kdepimlibs5 then reinstall kontact to downgrade it
[13:08] <dfaure> lol removing kdepimlibs5 wants to install 30 gnome packages instead
[13:08] <Riddell> ?
[13:08] <Riddell> no idea why that is
[13:09] <dfaure> you tell me ;) there must be some dependency from a metapackage to "either kde or gnome stuff, so that there's something usable"
[13:09] <dfaure> anyway, she's not using this computer at the moment, I'll just wait for an updated kdepim, that seems simpler ;)
[13:10] <Riddell> dfaure: well it'll take a week of two, there's a longish process to get things into -updates
[13:10] <dfaure> sounds fine
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:37] <vivek_> hey guys wass up
[13:46] <u19809> kubuntun 10.10 is unusable for me ... my KDE gui is slow sluggish it looks as if the applications are running on a remote machine.  Whqat could be wrong ?
[13:47] <bazhang> u19809, sounds like a hardware/ram issue
[13:47] <u19809> could be but I see no dmesg errors anywhere ... you thing MoBo issues ?
[13:48] <u19809> XP does not have the GUI problem
[13:48] <bazhang> did you run memtest?
[13:48] <u19809> yes for a day ... no problems
[13:49] <u19809> I also have a strange 'focus' problem.  In need to restart kdm for focus to be correct
[13:50] <Riddell> u19809: turn off compositing?
[13:50] <u19809> where ?
[13:52] <u19809> clicking down in a konquery folder takes about 2 seconds
[13:52] <u19809> selecting another 'tab' in konqueror takes about 2 seconds
[13:52] <u19809> double click in address bar of konqueror to select entire field takes about 3 seconds
[13:53] <u19809> I can type faster than my quad core processor can echo back the characters I type
[13:54] <Riddell> kmenu->system settings->desktop effects
[13:54] <u19809> that is already disabled ... strangly, if I start a GTK based application that seems to be snappy
[13:55] <u19809> Riddell : desktop effects are disabled
[13:58] <BluesKaj> u19809, check system monitor for the culprit , there are some issues with akonadi eating resources
[13:58] <u19809> I do not think it is eating resources but rather causing delays.  Can I stop akonadi ? What does it do ?
[13:58] <Guest30412> hello, how to identify with password and username?
[13:59] <u19809> delays = timeouts or locks of some sort
[14:00] <BluesKaj> !akonadi
[14:00] <u19809> !akonadi
[14:04] <BluesKaj> u19809, guess you could heck in the package manager
[14:04] <BluesKaj> check
[14:05] <BluesKaj> personal info storage device
[14:53] <majorarkwolf> I need some help with installing KDE
[14:53] <eMyller> hellos
[14:54] <majorarkwolf> how do I install KDE onto a server pc so it doesnt become the default desktop, because when i start vnc I want it to start kde
[14:54] <eMyller> i just did a fresh install of kubuntu maverick then installed kde rc 4.6 and my gtk appearance settings aren't being applied. any ideas why?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> 3
[14:57] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:59] <BluesKaj> eMyller,have you set them in kmenu/applications/system settings / appliction appearance?
[15:06] <eMyller> BluesKaj: yes
[15:07] <eMyller> BluesKaj: i rm'ed everything related to gtk in .kde/share, restarted my session but still gtk apps are using raleigh
[15:08] <BluesKaj> I thought you wanted gtk effects
[15:09] <eMyller> BluesKaj: 'gtk effects'?
[15:10] <eMyller> well, by default, gtk apps' appearance is a tiny qtcurve that is bundled into kubuntu, right?
[15:10] <eMyller> but i even created a new user account to check, but raleigh was still used
[15:11] <BluesKaj> dunno about raleigh , I just ran a pure kde string to rid my install of gtk apps and "looks"
[15:11] <eMyller> BluesKaj: are you on 4.6?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:12] <eMyller> BluesKaj: would you do me a favor? at your system settings > startup, check if there's a gtk-related script
[15:12] <eMyller> i noticed that i had it before, but it's gone
[15:12] <BluesKaj> sry eMyller , I shouldn't have tried to help , on shaky ground with this subject
[15:13] <eMyller> BluesKaj: np, just check if there's something there. it'll be enough information :)
[15:13] <BluesKaj> eMyller, yes, gtk-engines-qt-curve
[15:14] <eMyller> mkay...
[15:14] <eMyller> BluesKaj: thanks
[15:15] <BluesKaj> I thought I was running pure kde , guess gtk is hard to get rid of :)
[15:15] <eMyller> yeah. :(
[15:16] <BluesKaj> is that bscript safe to remove ?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> err script
[15:16] <eMyller> don't
[15:16] <eMyller> it comes with kde
[15:16] <BluesKaj> due to the qtcurve
[15:16] <eMyller> yup
[15:17] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:17] <BluesKaj> good to know
[15:20] <eMyller> BluesKaj: thanks anyways
[15:21] <BluesKaj> what's raliegh btw ?
[15:22] <eMyller> BluesKaj: that ugly default theme that gtk uses when there's no conf
[15:22] <eMyller> ie, when you run gtk apps as root without appearance settings for the root user
[15:23] <BluesKaj> eMyller, there were some probs with installing new themes up until a few days ago,, was finally able to get decent look for the windows and apps
[15:25] <BluesKaj> eMyller, right , synaptic used to be fugly ..but i've switched to muon , mostly for reference
[15:25] <eMyller> yea, that's the raleigh theme.
[15:26] <eMyller> the problem here is that gtk apps are ignoring my settings and using it always.
[15:26]  * eMyller wishes chromium was made upon qt
[15:28] <BluesKaj> eMyller, agreed , I can't read the tab and  menu fonts on our large monitor due it's lack of kde integration
[15:28] <BluesKaj> otherwise chromium would be my default browser
[15:29] <eMyller> chromium is my default browser because it's awesome and because qt's webkit isn't as complete as the one shipped with chromium
[15:30] <BluesKaj> I've searched and searched for a way to edit the fonts on menubar and bookmarks bar to no avail :(
[15:32] <BluesKaj> Iuse it on my other linuxbox that has a normal sized monitor , but I'm on our media-server pc which is connected to our plasma tv
[15:34] <BluesKaj> 1920x1080 res doesn't work with chromium menu fonts
[15:36] <eMyller> weir
[15:36] <eMyller> ...d
[15:39] <BluesKaj> the site text can be adjusted to be legible but the menubar, tabs and bokmarks bar can't
[15:42] <BluesKaj> eMyller, also you'll probly experience some flash crashes with 4.6 , it's rather unstable
[15:42] <BluesKaj> frlash plugin that is
[15:48] <eMyller> BluesKaj: it's good, so far
[15:49] <BluesKaj> eMyller, this is what I'm talking about , http://imagebin.org/138607
[15:49] <eMyller> i had crashes before, i suspected it was flash's fault. but i lost my partition and am now in a fresh maverick + kde 4.6 install. so far, so good
[15:50] <eMyller> ah. my crashes crashed the whole pc.
[16:37] <wqapol> During startup sendmail takes a long time to load (around 3 mins), since I do not use sendmail, I want to disable it. How can I do this in Kubuntu 10.04?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> wqapol, you can remove it with your package manager
[16:44] <wqapol> BluesKaj: Thanks, I used KPackageKit. It does not display list of installed apps, so I just searched for it and removed it.
[16:45] <BluesKaj> wqapol, use muon , it's better
[16:45] <BluesKaj> more stable and reliable
[16:50] <wqapol> BluesKaj: Need to change software sources. I am on 10.04. Tried apt-get muon, but no such package
[16:50] <wqapol> Need to change software sources?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> wqapol, that's odd, muon has been around a while
[16:56] <wqapol> BluesKaj: I have ticked all checkboxes in software sources, and even reloaded
[16:56] <BluesKaj> wqapol, perhaps enable your "other" or 3rd party software sources , including partners etc
[17:01] <wqapol> BluesKaj: Yes I had ticked them before http://i.imgur.com/9vtkY.jpg I think may be its not supported on lucid lynx
[18:04] <nata> got whos know how to enable gdm enviroment when we are using kdm as default. (not means to changes kdm to gdm)
[18:07] <james147> nata: ^^ select if from the session button on kdm
[18:10] <nata> james147: friend, i did not wan to changes session(gnome or kde). is how to set so that i can get like gdm enviroment also start when we stil using kdm as default display manager
[18:11] <james147> nata: you want to start gnome with kwin as the windowmanager?
[18:11] <nata> gdm is important for some gtk software, without it some software cannot run properly
[18:14] <nata> james147: is like that, when i using gdm as default display manager, my keybord input method can run properly, but when use kdm as default display manager , it got something problem
[18:15] <nata> input method switcher & keybord input method
[19:47] <avihay> well, encriptFS just worked out of the box
[19:47] <avihay> after the update
[20:31] <markit> hi, any way to have the mouse when click have a circle around it or something like that, so I can produce a better screencast
[20:32] <markit> ?
[20:32] <markit> (or any option in recordmydesktop I'm not aware about?)
[20:39] <ArGGu^^> markit well you can use the track mouse desktop effect to make some stars around the cursor
[20:43] <markit> mmm it crashed my desktop, I will try again
[20:44] <markit> I've seen a screencast produced with gnome, I suppose, that has a circle around that is very nice
[20:44] <markit> wondered if is created by the recorder program or some desktop effect
[20:47] <markit> ArGGu^^: do you have any idea about how does it work? I see no difference
[20:49] <markit> ok, discovered
[20:49] <markit> ArGGu^^: nice but very annoying to use for a screencast
[21:30] <SDemonUA> Kubunters - good evening !
[21:44] <ArGGu^^> markit why it is annoying for screencast?
[21:44] <ArGGu^^> too big?
[21:50] <Guest80287> is  it possible to  help me  on kubuntu  and my magigjack can't run on kubuntu  and all linux system
[21:55] <genii-around> Guest80287: There is currently no working linux driver for the TigerJet chips inside the Magic Jack
[22:04] <wmp> hi
[22:05] <wmp> what i must install to use pastebin plasmoid?
[22:10] <ArGGu^^> wmp plasma-widgets-addons
[22:19] <wmp> ArGGu^^: thx
[23:05] <digitig> Hi -- how do I choose my screensaver on kububtu 10.10? Linux newbie BTW.
[23:10] <george__> how can i set up a keyboard shortcut for the Konsole?
[23:17] <digitig> Sorry if anybody has replied -- not seeing chat come through. Don't know how to drive Quassel.
[23:42] <epimeth> hi everyone... my mic isn't working... can anybody help me?
[23:59] <valorie> piffle, can't wait 5 mins for an answer?


[03:08] <jokerdino> hey, how do i load a widget in another pane upon clicking a gtktoolbutton?
[03:09] <jokerdino> my window sorta looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/mgV7B.png. i want to load a widget in the below pane when one of the buttons are clicked. i would like a glade solution.''
[09:02] <bram__> Thanks, Jan. That sounds like a good suggestion. Just have a full version and lite version. That makes sense.
[10:36] <jalil> i can talk here


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[01:41] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 617 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/02/10/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-617/ (by guiverc)
[04:20] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Stephen Michael Kellat: Making A Service Launch @ http://coyote.works//posts/ServiceLaunch20200211/
[07:45] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: One More Linux Distro Tries to Convince Windows Users to Make the Switch @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/one-more-linux-distro-tries-to-convince-windows-users-to-make-the-switch-529167.shtml (by Bogdan Popa, Microsoft News Editor)
[17:25] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Vivaldi 2.11 Arrives with Improved Pop-out Video Player, Other Tweaks @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=163426 (by Joey Sneddon)
[20:35] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS Released with Linux Kernel 5.3 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=162728 (by Joey Sneddon)
[21:45] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Lubuntu Blog: Lubuntu 18.04.4 Released! @ https://lubuntu.me/bionic-4-released/
[22:00] <krytarik> guiverc: Oof, I just checked whether we did point releases on the Fridge, and we did - wanna do it?
[22:02] <guiverc> yeah,  can't currently, in 30 or so mins I can  (I grabbed link earlier https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-February/000254.html)
[22:03] <krytarik> Ok, no problem - thanks!
[23:10] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/02/12/ubuntu-18-04-4-lts-released/
[23:29] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS released @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/02/12/ubuntu-18-04-4-lts-released/


[00:58] <valorie> I just asked for the email, @ahoneybun
 I did as well but they are sending nothing to me.
 So this is funny: https://lfnw.org/accounts/password
[01:02] <valorie> ha!
[01:02] <valorie> I think they wipe the old DB every year
[01:02] <valorie> so maybe just make a new one
[01:03] <valorie> oh, I got the email from "osem"
 I can't since the username is already taken (by my old account) and I can't make a new one since the recapcta fails though there is none.
[01:04] <valorie> and it did it
 reCAPTCHA verification failed, please try again.
[01:54] <valorie> there is a list
[01:54] <valorie> lemme see if I can find an email contact
 valorie so I'll be at LFNW this year.
[04:00] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[04:01] <valorie> are all of y'all coming like last year?
[04:05] <valorie> there is
[04:05] <valorie> Fest-list mailing list
[04:06] <valorie><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:06] <valorie> https://lists.blug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fest-list
 Not all of us this year.
[04:06] <valorie> and also info@linuxfestnorthwest which would be the best for a question about password difficulties
[04:06] <valorie> ok
 Emailed, thanks!
[04:15] <valorie> <3


[01:09] <beuno> jenda  :)
[01:09] <beuno> I seem to be very naggy since you came back
[01:12] <beuno> and start up #31
[01:12] <beuno> when Corey can, he'll send it out
[01:27] <beuno> Burgwork!!!
[02:30] <beuno> Burgwork: whenever you have a few min, can you get back to me on the UWN email?
[02:57] <Burgwork> will try beuno
[02:59] <beuno> Burgwork: :(
[02:59] <beuno> sorry
[02:59] <beuno> that was :)
[02:59] <beuno> sent the email to ubuntu-news@
[03:00] <beuno> redirected the wiki
[03:00] <beuno> just needs your authorization to go through
[03:00] <beuno> I'm working on #31 now
[03:00] <Burgwork> oh, rock
[03:00] <Burgwork> ok, I can do that
[03:01] <beuno> :D   it's all I need
[03:01] <beuno> (I went ahead and pushed forward)
[03:01] <beuno> also, if you can, change the topic
[03:01] <Burgwork> that is good
[03:01] <beuno> it's the last thing on the checklist
[03:02] <beuno> sorry I got so annoying, I just really wanted to get that back on track
[03:03] <Burgwork> is far from annoyiung
[03:03] <Burgwork> if thise one looks good,  I will give you the passowrd
[03:04] <beuno> :D
[03:14] <beuno> lionel: ping
[03:14] <beuno> elkbuntu: ping
[03:17] <beuno> meatballhat: ping
[03:17] <meatballhat> beuno: oi!
[03:18] <beuno> :D    want to write a quick piece about your LoCo being approved, for UWN 31?
[03:19] <meatballhat> I'd love to!  we be in the middle of a meeting :)  ... can I get that out tomorrow morn?  you trying to release UWN 31 tonight?
[03:23] <beuno> meatballhat: great
[03:24] <beuno> no, un sunday
[03:24] <beuno> on
[03:24] <beuno> so you can take your time
[03:24] <meatballhat> beuno: great!
[03:24] <beuno> email it to me or just add it on yourself:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue31
[03:24] <beuno> make it more or less short (a paragraph), see how the "LoCo News" sections are in previous UWN's
[03:25] <meatballhat> will do  :)  ...
[03:25] <beuno> thanks a bunch!
[03:26] <beuno> also, I haven't forgot about diy website, I've just been coding so much at work I have really been trying to avoid it
[03:26] <beuno> I will either get it done this week, or find someone who will
[03:27] <meatballhat> beuno: right on :) ... I've been crazy at work lately, too ... it happens :D
[03:30] <beuno> I'm thinking on going on for Ubuntu membership
[03:30] <beuno> what do you think?
[03:32] <meatballhat> beuno: do it!  you've been really involved these past several months
[03:32] <beuno> :D  mind giving me some pointers?   you've already gone through the process
[03:32] <beuno> I got the wiki page up:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinAlbisetti
[03:33] <beuno> (sponsor section on the botton *wink* *wink*)
[03:36] <meatballhat> I'm on it   :)
[03:58] <AaronMT> Where can I find high-resolution Ubuntu images: logo / desktop resources
[04:00] <beuno> AaronMT: give me sec, I'll fetch the URL
[04:00] <AaronMT> Thanks im a little lost on the marketting page, at the wiki
[04:01] <beuno> AaronMT: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[04:03] <AaronMT> Thanks
[04:03] <beuno> np
[06:40] <jenda> * beuno jumps up and down
[06:40] <jenda> * beuno jumps higher
[06:41] <jenda> Great job beuno :)
[06:41] <Burgundavia> yay!
[06:41] <Burgundavia> indeed
[06:41] <Burgundavia> I am going to gone all weekend, otherwise I would help
[06:46] <jenda> beuno: hehe... perhaps, we should include an 'errata' section in 31 :) The quiz part, for one, was just copied from last. I have no idea if there were quizzen in the meantime, though.
[06:25] <beuno> jenda: ping
[06:36] <nixternal> !seen Juliux
[06:36] <nixternal> wth has he been?
[06:37] <tsmithe> nixternal, seen is broken
[06:37] <tsmithe> run /msg nickserv info on the nick
[08:50] <Admiral_Chicago> when is the next UWN supposed to be released?
[08:50] <tsmithe> sooner, if you help ;)
[08:51] <tsmithe> (says he who does little help)
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: i meant date wise so I can plan accordingly.
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> well ill figure it out after class.
[08:51] <tsmithe> sorry :)
[08:51] <tsmithe> i don't know (else i'd have said)
[08:52] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks anyways. bbl
[08:53] <tsmithe> see ya
[08:59] <beuno_> Admiral_Chicago: on sunday!
[08:59] <beuno_> March 11th
[09:05] <beuno_> I need an OP to change the topic
[09:05] <beuno_> !ops
[09:06] <beuno_> @ops
[09:07] <MenZa> >_>
[10:36] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno_: thanks
[11:38] <poningru> gaah we have to fix this UWN thing
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> poningru: whats wrong with it
[11:39] <poningru> uh... its not being put out?
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> i mean specifically?
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> 30 is out
[11:39] <Admiral_Chicago> 31 is in progress
[11:39] <poningru> right after like 5 weeks
[11:44] <beuno_> poningru: I'm on it
[11:44] <beuno_> 31 is in progress for March 11 (sunday)
[11:44] <beuno_> if we do release on htat date
[11:44] <poningru> beuno_: wiki or gobby?
[11:44] <beuno_> it's practically weekly again  :D
[11:44] <beuno_> wiki for now
[11:44] <beuno_> gonno keep it at the wiki unless we do specific sprints
[11:45] <beuno_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue31
[11:45] <beuno_> any help is very much apreciated!
[11:48] <Seveas> beuno_, sup?
[11:48] <beuno_> Seveas: :D
[11:48] <Seveas> :)
[11:49] <Seveas> what needs to be changed?
[11:49] <beuno_> I need to change it to:Welcome to the Ubuntu Marketing Team's IRC channel | We're here to fix Bug #1 | Keep in mind that whatever your LoCo does, any other LoCo can benefit from your work or experience! | Please sign up to the mailing list, ubuntu-marketing at lists.ubuntu.com | Beuno is doing UWN, as Cody is on leave. UWN #30 is out, UWN #31 is in progress to be released Sunday March 11th
[11:49] <Seveas> no more edit party?
[11:50] <beuno_> party never happened  :(
[11:50] <beuno_> but UWN #
[11:50] <Seveas> it's not 03:00 UTC yet
[11:50] <beuno_> 30 got out anyway  :p
[11:50] <beuno_> that topic is like 20days old
[11:50] <Seveas> ahhh
[11:50] <beuno_> set by Burgwork at Tue Feb 13 15:16:19 2007