[20:46] <bluntu> mgolisch it is related, because it exaclty the error I get
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> daniel_: its an unzipping program
[20:46] <daniel_> ok its called gunzip?.
[20:46] <Black_Prince> bluntu, you updated your system, and got that error?
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> daniel_: thats the fellah
[20:46] <nUboon2Age> rizla_cr0w:  please pop back over to #ubuntu-beginners and i'll chat w/ you to provide whatever help i can.
[20:46] <bluntu> mgolisch: I think my situation is as follows: HD with windows XP, Pendrive with ubuntu and a broken GRUB
[20:47] <help_plz> Can someone help me set up a wireless connection on uBuntunu
[20:47] <bluntu> Black_Prince: I am trying to install ubuntu and wipe my HD from Windows
[20:47] <Slart> simar: not right now
[20:47] <daniel_> haha thanks I founded out
[20:47] <daniel_> brb
[20:47] <Black_Prince> bluntu: are you now on live cd, or on windows?
[20:47] <Gumby-> trupheenix: did your mouse at least partially work out of the box?
[20:47] <Slart> bambr: can you pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg too?
[20:48] <bluntu> mgolisch & Black_Prince: my internal cd-drive is broken, that's why I use a pendrive
[20:48] <abetterswordfish> How do I fix notification, they seem to be messed up everytime i boot
[20:48] <bluntu> Black_Prince: I am now trying to boot from the USB, but that doesn't work
[20:48] <abetterswordfish> Right now I have two sound notification
[20:48] <trupheenix> Gumby-: touch pad is working but I cant edge scroll using it
[20:48] <trupheenix> Gumby-: also i cant find the Xorg conf file
[20:48] <Gumby-> trupheenix: well thats more than I have.  lol
[20:48] <Black_Prince> bluntu, so you booted into linux with pendrive
[20:48] <Gumby-> trupheenix: the default X doesnt use one.
[20:49] <help_plz> Can someone help me set up a wireless connection on uBuntunu
[20:49] <bluntu> Black_Prince: yes, but only into the install menu
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> !ask | help_plz
[20:49] <bluntu> Black_Prince when trying to boot the computer hangs and giveds me the error on this page https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/111396
[20:49] <bambr> Slart: here you are -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/457022/
[20:49] <help_plz> Does anyone know how to set up a wireless connection on ubuntu
[20:49] <trupheenix> Gumby-: hmmm
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> help_plz: use network manager, scan for networks and connect
[20:50] <Black_Prince> bluntu, I saw it ... I only ask can you get to some terminal, like ubuntu terminal, or live cd terminal ...
[20:50] <Slart> bambr: I'll have a look and see if I can find anything useful, I'll get back to you in a couple of minutes
[20:50] <bambr> Slart: okay
[20:50] <trupheenix> Gumby-: why doesnt Sony use standard stuff like Dell and HP so that everything just works!
[20:50] <Gumby-> trupheenix: you can just create one if you like
[20:50] <ActionParsnip> trupheenix: so they lock you in and you have to buy more sony rubbish
[20:50] <bluntu> @everyone: I just seem to have booted: In a desperate moment I just checked ALL the option under the 'extra options' menu
[20:50] <trupheenix> ActionParsnip: ok
[20:51] <Gumby-> trupheenix: well, its easy to be "standard" when you are the larger companies. Because the software industry often uses them as the standard because they have the most products out there
[20:51] <help_plz> actionparsnip how do i scan for networks?
[20:51] <bluntu> Black_Prince: I am now in the installer for some wierd reason
[20:51] <bluntu> it worked
[20:51] <Gumby-> trupheenix: to my knowledge the sony TP is just an ALPS touchpad
[20:51] <bambr> Slart: the first thing which is wrong there, to my mind, is that it uses (hd0,1) while it should be (hd0,0)
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> help_plz: its part of network manager, if you left click it you will see networks (I assume you have drivered your wireless)
[20:52] <bluntu> ok, next problem
[20:52] <bluntu> I am in the installer (booted from a pendrive) but the installer only sees the pendrive in step 4 of 7. Can;t find the internal HD...
[20:53] <trupheenix> Gumby-: how do I figure out?
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> bluntu: look under the places mnu
[20:53] <Jordan_U> bluntu: What is the output of "cat /proc/cmdline"?
[20:53] <Slart> bambr: yes.. but I have the same on my system.. odd.. it says in the manual that partition numbers start a 0.. very strange
[20:53] <bluntu> only lists my pendrive
[20:53] <bluntu> ActionParsnip
[20:53] <simar> bluntu, you got the installer running .. Good but how??
[20:54] <bluntu> simar: in the extra options menu I selected ALL the options :)
[20:54] <N0redemption> hi
[20:54] <help_plz> ActionParsnip: It says wireless disabled
[20:54] <simar> bluntu, good now you are done ..
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> help_plz: ok then run: sudo lshw -C netowork | grep -i product    one line will be your wireless, use that output to find guides
[20:54] <mgolisch> bluntu: whats is that hdd? sata ide scsi?
[20:54] <bluntu> simar: nah, not yet: the installer doesn't recognize the internal HD
[20:54] <help_plz> alright
[20:54] <bambr> Slart: i've run upgrade-from-grub-legacy, will try now
[20:54] <bluntu> simar: but the diskutility does!
[20:55] <help_plz> and thene after that?
[20:55] <bambr> rebooting
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> network, not netowork
[20:55] <bluntu> mgolisch: ATA
[20:55] <mgolisch> bluntu: what is diskutility?
[20:55] <Slart> bambr: I wonder if the "search" command that comes right after the "set root" command is supposed to figure out which partition to boot from.. so that the "set root" stuff doesn't have to use the correct partition number..
[20:56] <bluntu> mgolisch: The build in Disk Utility of Ubuntu
[20:56] <connex> I think there is a bug in VIM. Mapping macro like this:map g Iblabla bla^[o^[ . should work fine if i press g, however if i press 2g it doesn't work as expected, am i doing something wrong?
[20:56] <bluntu> if I want to erase a ATA 40Gb HD for Ubuntu installation: which format should I then choose? Ext4?
[20:57] <NoRedemption> DBAN
[20:57] <Jordan_U> bluntu: Do you care about being able to read it from windows?
[20:57] <bambr> Slart: yay, it did the job :)
[20:57] <ActionParsnip> bluntu: ext4 is default, i'd go with that
[20:57] <bluntu> ok, thnx
[20:57] <simar> bluntu,  if you choose ext4 you will not be able use see that in your windows system..
[20:57] <Slart> bambr: bah.. they've changed the partition numbering in the new grub.. partitions now start at 1... grrrr.. was that really necessary? *shakes fist at grub developers*
[20:57] <Slart> bambr: it's working?
[20:58] <icehawk78> Is there any sort of package that provides a way to run a speedtest on my machine over ssh?
[20:58] <bluntu> I want to erase windows, so that is fine! Ext4 it is then
[20:58] <bambr> Slart: yup :)
[20:58] <simar> bluntu, yes thats fine
[20:58] <help_plz> ACtionSnarsnip: Is that all I need to do?
[20:58] <bluntu> simar: whit can't erase, the device is busy
[20:58] <Slart> bambr: yay.. that command probably updated the numbering somewhere to the "new grub 2 numbering"-standard =)
[20:58] <help_plz> Par*
[20:58] <bluntu> ... buh... every solution brings a new problem
[20:58] <ActionParsnip> help_plz: you need to use the internet to search for guide based on that output
[20:59] <bambr> Slart: dunno, but now it works, anyway, had to upgrade to grub2 first
[20:59] <mgolisch> bluntu: it probably has some of its partitions mounted
[20:59] <bronek> hi
[20:59] <bluntu> mgolisch but I can;t see to unmount it
[21:00] <bambr> Slart: thanks a lot mate :) also it was all written on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 so I could have googled btter from the start :)
[21:00] <simar> bluntu, right click on all drives on desktop and select unmount
[21:00] <Jordan_U> bluntu: What is the output of "cat /proc/cmdline"?
[21:00] <Slart> bambr: it's always easy when you know the answer =)
[21:00] <Slart> bambr: you're welcome
[21:01] <mgolisch> bluntu: if you open a terminal does the mount command show any mounted filesystems on that disk?
[21:01] <bluntu> Jordan_U do you have a minute: I have to type it over
[21:01] <ActionParsnip> is the package 'indictor-me' th thing which adds the user management thing in the top right near the logoff button?
[21:03] <abetterswordfish> Is there a way I can have ubuntu auto-mount my windows partion?
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> !fstab | abetterswordfish
[21:04] <bluntu> BOOT_IMAGE=/casper/vmlinuz noprompt cdrom-detect/try-usb=true persistent file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper only-ubiquity initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash - - priority=low acpi=off noapic nolapic edd=on nodmraid nomodeset apt-setup/restricted=false apt-setup/multiverse=false
[21:04] <abetterswordfish> Alright, that should work
[21:04] <bluntu> Jordan_U that is it
[21:05] <bluntu> Jordan_U  now what?
[21:05] <abetterswordfish> One other thing, the "splash scree" (purple with dots) is the wrong resolution?
[21:05] <_newbie_> hello
[21:05] <abetterswordfish> Hi there
[21:05] <luddite1811> I have an ubuntu server 10.04 with LVM and I increased the virtual disk size from 8 gb to 60 gb, do I need to run specific lvm commands within the os to increase the size visible within ubuntu or will inflating the disk through the esxi vsphere client do it?
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> abetterswordfish: http://wwww.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1472951    3rd post
[21:07] <mgolisch> luddite1811: unless you grow the lvm partition it wont do anything it still is 8gb or whatever it was before
[21:07] <bluntu> hwo can I force a drive to quit? I get : "cannot unmount because file system on device is busy"
[21:07] <mgolisch> bluntu: any filebrowsers open?
[21:08] <bluntu> nah
[21:08] <bluntu> mgolisch
[21:08] <PigeonCluster> bluntu, you can't force it. however you can use 'lsof' to find out what's using it
[21:08] <mgolisch> bluntu: also are you sure its the disk and not the stick?
[21:08] <PigeonCluster> bluntu, 'lsof /path/to/mountpoint'
[21:08] <bluntu> mgolisch yeah, my disk is 40gb and the usb only 4gb. I want to unmount the harddisk
[21:09] <PigeonCluster> bluntu, what i said applies regardless
[21:09] <pippero> salve raga
[21:09] <guntbert> !it | pippero
[21:09] <abetterswordfish> is there a way to change the window title bar transparcy without installing ubuntu tweak?
[21:10] <vodl> hi, can anyone tell me how to "make from source"? i got the RAR for linux here http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm and have a bunch of files and a makefile but don't know how to make it install. thanks
[21:10] <bluntu> PigeonCluster: output is: "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /cow Output information might be incomplete
[21:10] <PigeonCluster> bluntu, run it as root
[21:10] <guntbert> !compile | vodl
[21:10] <PigeonCluster> bluntu, uses superuser-only system calls to find all processes using a directory. it can find some when not superuser, but not all
[21:10] <_newbie_> someone help me with gadmin.proftpd ??
[21:10] <bluntu> PigeonCluster same error
[21:11] <_newbie_> i cant activate it
[21:11] <ActionParsnip> abetterswordfish: you can use emerald, you can get a theme with that if you wish
[21:11] <PigeonCluster> abetterswordfish, you can change it at all? news to me. and very good news, i wanted to do that 5 minutes ago
[21:11] <slidinghorn> !details | _newbie_
[21:11] <N0redemption> well
[21:11] <abetterswordfish> yeah you can change it with ubuntu  tweak but I dont really wanna install that
[21:11] <abetterswordfish> I guess its not that bad to install it
[21:11] <N0redemption> bluntu do you use windows?
[21:11] <bluntu> I am trying to wipe an internal HD. I started up from an USB. The internal HD can;t be unmounted. Any help here?
[21:12] <bluntu> NOredemption: no, Ubuntu
[21:12] <N0redemption> well you can use dban
[21:12] <bluntu> N0redemption: ubuntu 10.04 from a pendrive
[21:12] <bluntu> what is dban?
[21:12] <slidinghorn> bluntu...do it from a livecd
[21:12] <PigeonCluster> bluntu, why is it mounted?
[21:12] <N0redemption> a disk wiper
[21:12] <_newbie_> ubottu,  i want configure a ftp-server , i have the ftp server online but i want to configure it with (gadmin-proftpd) but the status is always (disconnected) and i cant change,taht
[21:12] <abstrakt> can someone tell me the command to install ardour?
[21:12] <abstrakt> i'm not on my ubuntu box right now
[21:12] <abstrakt> is it apt-get install ardour2?
[21:12] <abstrakt> or just ardour?
[21:12] <Slart> bluntu: if you managed to boot from the usb you should be able to unmount the internal hard drive
[21:12] <mgolisch> find out what still uses the mounted filesystem
[21:12] <bluntu> slidinghorn can't use cd's
[21:13] <PigeonCluster> abstrakt, 'apt-cache search ardour' will tell you
[21:13] <Slart> abstrakt: try apt-cache search ardour
[21:13] <PigeonCluster> Slart, beat ya to it!
[21:13] <bluntu> PigeonCluster: no idea.. it just is... and won;t unmount
[21:13] <abstrakt> PigeonCluster: apparently u guys didn't read my question...
[21:13] <Slart> PigeonCluster: =)
[21:13] <bluntu> Slart: and what if I can;t?
[21:13] <N0redemption> well take another pc and boot dban on it
[21:13] <slidinghorn> abstrakt, it's just ardour
[21:13] <PigeonCluster> abstrakt, yes we did. if you meant something different, then ask something different
[21:13] <Slart> !info ardour
[21:13] <N0redemption> the hd should be wiped
[21:13] <Slart> !info ardour2
[21:13] <_newbie_> theres any program for configure the ftp-files ?? and users... ??
[21:14] <Slart> abstrakt: I'm guessing   ardour   is the package name =)
[21:14] <PigeonCluster> bluntu, BE VERY VERY CAREFUL OF DBAN!!!!!!
[21:14] <guntbert> abstrakt: sudo apt-get install ardour - usually type part of the name and then pressing <tab> gives the remaining possibilities
[21:14] <bluntu> PigeonCluster I don;t know what DBAN is...
[21:14] <abstrakt> !info ardour
[21:14] <N0redemption> well of course backup your data first!
[21:14] <abstrakt> great, that's a nice feature
[21:14] <abstrakt> !info ams
[21:14] <abstrakt> !info hydrogen
[21:14] <Slart> bluntu: dban is a live cd that automagically wipes all hard drives connected to the computer when you use it
[21:14] <abstrakt> cool
[21:14] <PigeonCluster> bluntu, it's an nsa-safe disk data destroyer. all devices will be written with random data 5 times over. on boot. without any options. just having it in the cd drive on boot will do it!
[21:15] <abstrakt> !info rosegarden
[21:15] <bluntu> PigeonCluster I can;t use cd's on this computer
[21:15] <mgolisch> all he wants is to install ubuntu
[21:15] <guntbert> !askthebot | abstrakt
[21:15] <slidinghorn> abstrakt, you can take that to a PM with the bot....don't abuse the bots in the room
[21:15] <Slart> bluntu: it's very handy for when you want to clear lots of computers without spending lots of time on each of them
[21:15] <mgolisch> right?
[21:15] <_newbie_> ???
[21:15] <N0redemption> well you need to write autonuke in first
[21:15] <bluntu> Slart I can;t use cd;s on this computer
[21:15] <abstrakt> does the bot have a help file?
[21:15] <abstrakt> i tried help, but it didn't respond
[21:15] <guntbert> !who | N0redemption
[21:15] <slidinghorn> !factoid > abstrakt
[21:15] <Slart> bluntu: I figurar that much.. but you asked what dban was
[21:15] <YoJack> _default_ VirtualHost overlap can anyone help me with that
[21:16] <Slart> bluntu: do you get some kind of error when you try to unmount the internal hard drive?
[21:16] <bluntu> yes
[21:16] <mgolisch> bluntu: did you try the lsof on the mountpoint? alternatively you can just write a new partitiontable with fdisk and reboot from the stick
[21:16] <N0redemption> bluntu: wipe that disk!
[21:16] <bluntu> HOW?!
[21:16] <mgolisch> it wont be able to mount anything from the disk then
[21:16] <bluntu> I can;t wipe it if I can;t unmount it
[21:16] <N0redemption> bluntu: well boot dban
[21:16] <N0redemption> bluntu: autonuke...
[21:16] <bluntu> NOredemption: I can't use CD's!
[21:16] <N0redemption> bluntu: 1 hour later problem solfed
[21:16] <PigeonCluster> N0redemption, stop, he already said he can't use cds THREE TIMES
[21:16] <Slart> N0redemption: no cd drive..
[21:16] <abstrakt> is there a way to browse the package repositor without synaptic?
[21:17] <abstrakt> ideally browse + search
[21:17] <N0redemption> bluntu: u have a windows client and usb?
[21:17] <Slart> abstrakt: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> abstrakt: apt-cache search something
[21:17] <slidinghorn> abstrakt, apt-cache search searchterm
[21:17] <bluntu> Ok, I am gonna try to figure this out myself. Live chat is really great, but I am going circles trying to explain myself five times all the times
[21:17] <N0redemption> bluntu: well i just know it with windows
[21:17] <bluntu> thnx all but this is terrible...
[21:18] <jmichaelx> abstrakt: it would be worth your while to learn to use 'aptitude'
[21:18] <PigeonCluster> bluntu, i would boot into rescue mode on the flash drive, which will not mount anything but root. you can do this by pressing f6 before hitting enter on the boot screen, then hitting esc and typing "single"
[21:18] <N0redemption> bluntu: try unetbootin its awsome and handy
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> abstrakt: you can grep the output to reduce the output and make it more intelligent. Aptitude also has a terminal based gui
[21:18] <N0redemption> bluntu: try unetbootin its awsome and handy
[21:18] <PigeonCluster> N0redemption, just shut up, you're being very unhelpful
[21:18] <abstrakt> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[21:18] <abstrakt> no good :(
[21:18] <N0redemption> bluntu: its make usb sticks nearly automatic
[21:18] <abstrakt> i get a blank page
[21:18] <N0redemption> PigeonCluster: sorry
[21:18] <abstrakt> ActionParsnip: except i can't, since i'm on OSX right now
[21:18] <Slart> abstrakt: works here
[21:18] <luddite1811> anyone know what the commands are to increase the LVM partition size?
[21:18] <abstrakt> blah
[21:18] <vodl> thanks guntbert
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> !lvm
[21:19] <guntbert> vodl: you're welcome :-)
[21:19] <vodl> guntbert still looks insanely difficult, found something in the repos
[21:20] <guntbert> vodl: thats the recommended way :-)
[21:20] <guntbert> luddite1811: look at a complete lvm tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm
[21:21] <bluntu_> The things is: I ask a very direct question to a problem, then people come with alternatives: changes are I already tried the alternatives and there is a REASON for the things I am doing. I tried Unetbootin last week.  If my car is broken, it is not an option to take a bicycle: I need my car fixed. The same goes here. I want to fix things!
[21:21] <gionnico> hello! i'm trying to make 10.5 livecd work !!!
[21:21] <vodl> guntbert still you run into plenty of people recommending compiling software so i had the idea it must be one command or something along those lines
[21:21] <bluntu_> sorry to rant...
[21:21] <gionnico> please tell me how i can use safemode
[21:21] <slidinghorn> !attitude
[21:21] <N0redemption> bluntu: didnt know that
[21:21] <N0redemption> bluntu: sorry dude
[21:21] <gionnico> safemode for X please!
[21:21] <luddite1811> guntbert thanks for the info
[21:21] <luddite1811> ubottu thanks also
[21:22] <gionnico> please tell me!
[21:22] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: hold shift at boot, then select it
[21:22] <gionnico> ActionParsnip: or if i'm already logged in
[21:22] <gionnico> but i cant use x
[21:22] <gionnico> but I can use console ActionParsnip ?
[21:22] <slidinghorn> startx
[21:22] <guntbert> vodl: ubunto has so much software in the repos - it really is rarely necessary to compile something yourself :-)
[21:22] <gionnico> what's the command to STOP Xorg?
[21:22] <gionnico> /etc/init.d/[x-X]* doesnt exist
[21:22] <slidinghorn> !enter | gionnico
[21:23] <guntbert> luddite1811: you're welcome :-) and happy reading
[21:23] <gionnico> ActionParsnip: shift when??
[21:23] <gionnico> after i said "try ubuntu without installing" ?
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: before grub loads
[21:23] <gionnico> ActionParsnip: ...... no i'm talking of livecd
[21:23] <gionnico> there's no grub
[21:23] <slidinghorn> gionnico, stop using Enter as punctuation please.
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: there is, grub boots the kernel
[21:24] <gionnico> slidinghorn: no it's just that i thought the second phrase 5 seconds after i typed the previous one
[21:24] <Slart> gionnico: sudo server gdm stop
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: you can press space when the stickman shows and select safe video there using the options menu (I think its F6 but read the bottom bar)
[21:24] <Slart> gionnico: sorry.. sudo service gdm stop
[21:24] <luddite1811> would it be easier to go with ext3/4 instead of lvm for the ubuntu vm's we'll have? would I be able to extend these easier than with lvm?
[21:24] <N0redemption> bluntu: may i ask if you have a windows client?
[21:24] <_newbie_> how can i put (active status) in the gadmin-proftpd ??
[21:25] <bluntu_> N0redemption: you may, and sorry, I don't
[21:25] <guntbert> luddite1811: I always prefer LVM - once you get acquainted to it its really fun
[21:25] <N0redemption> bluntu: well and a friend who has one?
[21:25] <bluntu_> N0redemption: I have Ubuntu booted from a USB drive
[21:25] <bluntu_> The pendrive works fine
[21:25] <bluntu_> N0redemption: I am now trying to wipe the internal HD to install ubuntu
[21:26] <luddite1811> cool I was just curious as to the benefits of each in a virtual environment
[21:26] <bluntu_> N0redemption but the internal HD won;t unmount. SOmething is keeping it busy...
[21:26] <N0redemption> bluntu: do you have any other data on that hd?
[21:26] <N0redemption> bluntu: important data
[21:26] <bluntu_> I have a broken installation of XP I want to get rid of on that HD
[21:26] <bluntu_> No important data
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> bluntu_: then run: lsof | grep mountpoint   see what is using it
[21:26] <osmodivs> Is there a way to know wich version of ubuntu are you running from the TERMINAL?
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> osmodivs: lsb_release -a
[21:27] <osmodivs> thank you
[21:27] <N0redemption> bluntu: which media can you use beside usb?
[21:27] <vasuki> Just did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. I not cannot activate proprietary drivers or write to my xorg.conf from the nvidia control panel. Manually editing files is np. Any ideas?
[21:27] <bluntu_> ActionParsnip: that gives me errors
[21:27] <bluntu_> N0redemption: none
[21:27] <trupheenix> damn!
[21:27] <bluntu_> N0redemption: USB is only option
[21:27] <trupheenix> how do i file bugs for this?
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> bluntu_: does:  lsof   output a tonne of text?
[21:27] <N0redemption> bluntu: you  have a second usbstick?
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> !bug | trupheenix
[21:27] <bluntu_> N0redemption: USB is fine
[21:28] <trupheenix> ActionParsnip: it's a hardware quirk. not so much a bug.
[21:28] <N0redemption> bluntu: well wipe the HD
[21:28] <mgolisch> id just zero the first 512byte of the disk
[21:28] <mgolisch> and reboot from the stick
[21:28] <mgolisch> it cant mount anything then
[21:28] <N0redemption> bluntu: you already did a boot usb or?
[21:28] <N0redemption> bluntu: in my opinion try using dban or any other wipe os
[21:28] <bluntu_> ActionParsnip "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() tmpfs file system /cow Output information might be incomplete"
[21:28] <slidinghorn> N0redemption, he can't wipe the HDD because he can't unmount it
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> bluntu_: you could boot to the ultimate boot cd and use the disk wiper there
[21:29] <osmodivs> is there a way to install a 64bit version if I have already installed 32 bit version?
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> bluntu_: ok then try:  sudo lsof | grep mountpoint
[21:29] <bluntu_> N0redemption: If I didn't know you were helping me I would think you are really trying to frsutrate me
[21:29] <N0redemption> bluntu: he cant make it under ubuntu or any other os?
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> osmodivs: no you must reinstall
[21:29] <osmodivs> <if i have Ubuntu 9.0, but want to upgrade to 10.04, is it possible?
[21:29] <sebersole> anyone else notice evolution taking a really long time and sometimes just "closing up shop" on Reply?
[21:30] <trupheenix> Gumby-: generally is there any specific sony vaio laptop u would recommend for running linux?
[21:30] <guntbert> osmodivs: there is no 9.0  - are you on 9.04?
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> osmodivs: you can upgrade 9.10 and 8.04 to 10.04, if you have 9.04 you must upgrade to 9.10 first
[21:30] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: 9.0? 9.04?  9.10?
[21:30] <Altreus> Hey my current locale is making my terminal use a weird encoding (ANSIX3.4-1968). How do I fix it?
[21:30] <N0redemption> bluntu: sorry i wanst on this irc that long
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | osmodivs
[21:30] <trupheenix> Gumby-: or should one just avoid Vaio at all costs?
[21:30] <N0redemption> bluntu: but still cant you unmount it on any destribution?
[21:31] <bluntu_> ActionParsnip: same output for lsof
[21:31] <Shinydan_> Trying to install 10.04 on an old Packard Bell laptop. It starts to install, gets through perhaps two lines of the install information, and then reboots. Any ideas?
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> bluntu_: sounds bad, lsof should output all open and in use files
[21:31] <sebsebseb> Shinydan_: How much RAM?
[21:31] <mgolisch> use sudo?
[21:31] <bluntu_> yes
[21:31] <guntbert> Shinydan_: did you check that the iso was ok?
[21:31] <osmodivs> Well, I was supose to help my cousin from another state, telling him what to do
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> Shinydan_: did you md5 test the iso you downloaded? Did you check the cd for defects once booted to?
[21:31] <kabal`court> hey why doesn't it work > http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/vMz5Jfyv < some1 pls help me
[21:31] <osmodivs> I think he has the last version of 9
[21:32] <mgolisch> like i suggested earlier id just write over the partitionztable and reboot from the stick
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> osmodivs: then s/he can upgrade to lucid
[21:32] <osmodivs> I'll check whe he connects again
[21:32] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: 9.04 is still supported untill the end of October, 9.10 is still supported untill the end of April next year.
[21:32] <osmodivs> he is rebooting
[21:32] <bluntu_> ActionParsnip: status error on l: no such file or directory, status error on grep: no such file or directory, status error on mountpoint: no such file or directory
[21:32] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: so probably no proper reason to upgrade to 10.04 really
[21:32] <Shinydan_> seb: Half a gig of ram. guntbert: not as yet. Parsnip: Not as yet. I shall do those things now.
[21:32] <osmodivs> I know this one: altf2
[21:32] <kabal`court> I need help setting the date on ubuntu server 8.4 >> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/vMz5Jfyv
[21:32] <Shinydan_> although I have just noticed something interesting...
[21:33] <sebsebseb> kabal`court: try #ubuntu-server
[21:33] <mgolisch> bluntu_: its | not l
[21:33] <guntbert> !md5sum | Shinydan_
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> kabal`court: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=5   shows the date command format so you can check your working
[21:33] <bluntu_> mgolisch: you mean 'one' instead of 'el'?
[21:33] <mgolisch> bluntu_: also you have to replace mountpoint with the actual directory the filesystem is mounted on
[21:33] <mgolisch> bluntu_: no thats the pipe symbol |
[21:33] <mgolisch> not 1
[21:34] <mgolisch> and not l
[21:34] <bluntu_> aha...
[21:34] <parag0n_> does anyone know how to convert a partition from msdos to gpt without losing all the data?
[21:34] <bluntu_> mgolisch could you maybe help me with that for a moment?
[21:34] <gionnico> hey7
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> Shinydan_: if the MD5 is wrong you have wasted a C and will explain why the install  is bad. Please MD5 test iso file BEFORE burning so youo know the data is good
[21:34] <gionnico> what is the button i have to press to choose language and settings in ubuntu livecd?
[21:34] <bluntu_> mgolisch how do I know what the mountpoint is?
[21:34] <gionnico> just after POST and UBUNTU livecd is loaded
[21:34] <Shinydan_> right.
[21:34] <gionnico> what is i should press within 2 seconds in order to get the boot menu?
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> bluntu_: i had no way of knowing the mountpoint, i thought you would have realisd the situation and changed the commands
[21:35] <gionnico> (with language selection locale, X options and kernel boot parameters??
[21:35] <ssssss> Hi
[21:35] <kabal`court> ActionParsnip: check my link before sending a new one?
[21:35] <gionnico> ENTER? ESC? when exactly??
[21:35] <gionnico> i can't see the screen
[21:35] <ssssss> How can I overwrite white space on my USB stick
[21:35] <bluntu_> ActionParsnip: sorry. Not to used to this yet
[21:35] <loopidity> how would i enable .htaccess on ubuntu?
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> kabal`court: i looked, you can check your working while I help others in here
[21:35] <sebsebseb> gionnico: I think its hold down esc whilst the computer boots
[21:35] <loopidity> ssssss what i did once was to create a new folder without spaces and mount the usb in it
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: press space on the stickman screen and you can choose language there
[21:36] <kabal`court> ActionParsnip: i used the right format but it didnt work
[21:36] <osmodivs> he said that He can't get Ubuntu open, neither do Windows
[21:36] <mgolisch> bluntu_: the output of the mount command it should tell you, look for a line wich contains the device name of your disk (/dev/something)
[21:36] <osmodivs> He said something about error 15
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> kabal`court: ok cool, not sure then dude, its very weird
[21:37] <N0redemption> well im off
[21:37] <N0redemption> cya all again
[21:37] <shishire> grub 2 is configured to use shift by default I think?  Hold shift while booting to get a menu...
[21:37] <guntbert> kabal`court: use date -d to check the format
[21:37] <ssssss> I want to overwrite the free space on my USB stick with random chars. Is it possible to use the dd command for that?
[21:38] <kabal`court> guntbert: date: option requires an argument -- 'd'
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> ssssss: sure, thats what dd is good at, use    sudo dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/partition
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> ssssss: not sure about the free space thouh
[21:39] <guntbert> kabal`court: I thought you had read the man page - -d requires the same sort of string as -s, but displays it only instead of trying to set it
[21:39] <gionnico> sebsebseb: yes it was ESC
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> ssssss: that comand does the WHOLE partition
[21:39] <gionnico> now how i set default mode for X to safemode?
[21:39] <sebsebseb> gionnico: ok :)
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> ssssss: i think bleachbit can do it but not sure how to make it only do the usb
[21:39] <gionnico> F4 mode is not..
[21:39] <gionnico> F5 accessibility is not. F6 other options.....
[21:39] <ssssss> ActionParsnip, thx
[21:40] <gionnico> sebsebseb: my second question?
[21:40] <sebsebseb> gionnico: uhmm?  esc to show Grub I think
[21:40] <trupheenix> i've run into problem with grub2. i'm getting grub2 rescue prompt. any ideas how to boot windows using this?
[21:40] <kabal`court> guntbert: date -d string displayes w/e i set in the -s string
[21:40] <gionnico> sebsebseb: no i have start ubuntu withot installing, install ubuntu, check hard drive, start first hard drive
[21:40] <kabal`court> guntbert: but date by it self still returns different date
[21:41] <gionnico> F2 language F3 keymap F4 mode F5 accessibility F6 other options
[21:41] <abstrakt> !restricted
[21:41] <guntbert> kabal`court: yes, that was meant to check if your string is understood by the command
[21:41] <random222> Does anyone here have any experience opening large html files (>15 MB) with firefox?
[21:41] <gionnico> what's kernel BOOT PARAMETER TO START X IN SAFE MODE (FROM LIVECD) ?
[21:41] <kabal`court> guntbert: well then it was, but why it doesnt set the date?
[21:41] <abstrakt> random222: a 15M HTML file? wtf kind of file is that?
[21:41] <sebsebseb> gionnico: right, but once its installed, its installed, don't need to boot from a CD
[21:41] <gionnico> sebsebseb: it is NOT INSTALLED
[21:41] <abstrakt> random222: there's a reason that pagination was invented
[21:42] <sebsebseb> gionnico: so install it?
[21:42] <gionnico> sebsebseb: i need to start livecd's XORG IN SAFE MODE
[21:42] <random222> abstrakt: it's actually >800 html files combined into one
[21:42] <gionnico> sebsebseb: no i want only live environment
[21:42] <sebsebseb> gionnico: why?
[21:42] <guntbert> kabal`court: have you ntp enabled?
[21:42] <gionnico> sebsebseb: ... please just tell me
[21:42] <sebsebseb> gionnico: I don't think there are advanced options or any as such for the Live CD
[21:43] <abstrakt> "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubutu/pool/universe/l/lilypond/lilpond-doc 2.12.3-4 all.web Hash Sum mismatch
[21:43] <abstrakt> 4:39 EL Unable to fetch some archives"
[21:43] <abstrakt> what's up with that?
[21:43] <abstrakt> i just tried to install rosegarden
[21:43] <gionnico> sebsebseb: F6 tells apic noapic nodmraid, no-nonfree
[21:43] <sebsebseb> gionnico: basically install option and  try Ubuntu from CD option, and thats about it
[21:43] <gionnico> but where to put parameters? and what's the parameter?
[21:43] <abstrakt> well, i didn't... friend of mine did, i'm not on my ubuntu box right now
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: http://media.photobucket.com/image/ubuntu%20live%20cd%20safe/indyank/techbliss/install-ubuntu-safe-graphics.jpg
[21:43] <gionnico> try ubuntu from CD without install is what i want but it doesnt start X correctly
[21:43] <gionnico> so i need to make it try safemode
[21:43] <sebsebseb> gionnico: uhmm
[21:43] <abstrakt> it doesn't say not found
[21:43] <abstrakt> it says hash sum mismatch
[21:44] <abstrakt> what gives?
[21:44] <sebsebseb> gionnico: if  try Ubuntu from Live CD option does not work, you have a problem
[21:44] <sebsebseb> gionnico: maybe a bad CD,  maybe just a computer that doesn't work well with Ubuntu
[21:44] <gionnico> sebsebseb: F4 should be,..
[21:44] <mgolisch> abstrakt: that means it wasnt downloaded correctly
[21:44] <mgolisch> abstrakt: mostlikely
[21:44] <gionnico> ActionParsnip: thanks.. but i didn't see the option for safe graphics......
[21:44] <abstrakt> mgolisch: yeh i figured
[21:44] <sebsebseb> gionnico: you shoudn't really need to do any of these other things,  try Ubuntu from  CD should just work
[21:44] <abstrakt> mgolisch: so i should just try again?
[21:44] <abstrakt> mgolisch: is there a cache i should clear or something?
[21:45] <Boogie0> whats the Ubuntu way of setting a locale without setting the language?
[21:45] <gionnico> ActionParsnip: why the HECK I ONLY HAVE 3 OPTIONS AND NO SAFE-MODE IN MODES (F4) ???!
[21:45] <mgolisch> abstrakt: you may need to delete it from /var/cache/apt/archives/ first
[21:45] <gionnico> sebsebseb: it does not
[21:45] <daniel> hey guys why are arch linux so popular?.
[21:46] <abstrakt> mgolisch: is it bad to clear that entire folder?
[21:46] <abstrakt> sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*
[21:46] <abstrakt> ?
[21:46] <guntbert> !ot | daniel
[21:46] <sebsebseb> daniel: since thats a good distro for proper Linux geeks
[21:46] <gionnico> sebsebseb: i guess i need the alternate cd to get that stupid option
[21:46] <k0d3g3ar> daniel, it is?  that's news to me
[21:46] <dasmalty> Did anyone experience ubuntu (fresh install, 2.6.32-22-generic) freezing for ca. 15 seconds, then rebooting - randomly?
[21:46] <gionnico> if i only knew the kernel parameter.. oh stupid standard cd
[21:46] <sebsebseb> daniel: who want to set loads of stuff up themselves, before they can use the system properly
[21:46] <mgolisch> abstrakt: no idea, it might contain other stuff, never tried that
[21:46] <abstrakt> hmm
[21:46] <gionnico> "Safe graphics mode" someone know the parameter name?
[21:46] <abstrakt> k
[21:46] <daniel> I just wonder :)
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> !caps | gionnico
[21:46] <k0d3g3ar> daniel, I think you've been misinformed
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> abstrakt: just use: sudo apt-get clean
[21:46] <osmodivs> Does anyone knows what error 15 means, he ssaid something about file not found, after rebooting
[21:47] <gionnico> and how to get the kernel parameter shell from standard livecd (x86_64)?
[21:47] <daniel> ok :) kod3g3ar
[21:47] <daniel> :)
[21:47] <sebsebseb> gionnico: if the Live CD does not work properly, your install won't either probably
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: you could try the boot option:  vga=791
[21:47] <Slart> osmodivs: upgraded to 10.04?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> !bootoptions | gionnico
[21:47] <osmodivs> Is there a command in the termianl so he can write it from the live CD and know whats happening?
[21:48] <osmodivs> No, my cousin said he cannot open Ubuntu or Windows
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> osmodivs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470597   seems the file defined cannot be found
[21:48] <guntbert> !grub2 | osmodivs
[21:48] <gionnico> ActionParsnip: vga=791 == safe-mode graphics from F4 (modes) ??
[21:49] <gionnico> because i dont have that stupid option
[21:49] <guntbert> osmodivs: on that page you can find an explanation if erro 15
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: not sure, seems to crop up in bing quite a lot when I searched
[21:49] <osmodivs> Yeah, but he installed the 9 version
[21:49] <osmodivs> so, I don know if he can repair it
[21:49] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: you need to use the factoid link to find out how to edit the kernel line to add it
[21:49] <sebsebseb> Shinydan_: still here?
[21:50] <gionnico> ActionParsnip: i saw that link
[21:50] <gionnico> looks like it will just work with F6
[21:50] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: there are thousands of boot options so having a menu item for each isnt feasible
[21:50] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: Live CD
[21:50] <osmodivs> he is in the LIVE CD
[21:50] <osmodivs> but what to do from there?
[21:50] <guntbert> kabal`court: I repeat my question: did you enable network time (ntpd)?
[21:50] <gionnico> ActionParsnip: you yourself posted me an image of that option what are you talking about?!
[21:50] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: ok Live CD can be used to fix that error  I guess.  it can also be used to get hold of the data
[21:51] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: then can do a clean install of 10.04
[21:51] <vladimirm> no signal on monitor after removing my ati radeon 9800 pro and connectiong the monitor to integrated intel. what to do?
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: it may be an older version with that option in by default
[21:51] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: its not from my pc
[21:51] <osmodivs> so, He has to download 10.04, burn it and then install?
[21:51] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: thats one way to do it sure
[21:51] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: to solve the problem
[21:51] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: probably also the most easiest
[21:52] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: and good idea to check the Ubuntu ISO is good before using it
[21:52] <sebsebseb> !md5sum | osmodivs
[21:52] <sebsebseb> !hashes | osmodivs
[21:52] <gionnico> ActionParsnip: i have 10.5
[21:52] <osmodivs> all right, thank you
[21:52] <gionnico> they must have removed it from 10.4
[21:52] <gionnico> that's BAD
[21:53] <abstrakt> still getting "hash sum mismatch"
[21:53] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: and setting up a seperate /home before installing is rather useful as well
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: i have no idea what version that screenshot is from
[21:53] <osmodivs> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ lsb_release -a
[21:53] <osmodivs> No LSB modules are available.
[21:53] <osmodivs> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[21:53] <osmodivs> Description:	Ubuntu 9.04
[21:53] <osmodivs> Release:	9.04
[21:53] <FloodBot2> osmodivs: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:53] <osmodivs> Codename:	jaunty
[21:53] <abetterswordfish> How do I get youtube videos to run full screen on 64 bit ubuntu 10.04
[21:53] <ActionParsnip> gionnico: you can add boot options manually, just read the link ubottu gave
[21:53] <tim_> hey. please HELP!. I just installed Ubuntu 9.10 on my HP Pavilon zv6000 laptop and now the keyboard and touchpad won't respond!! I had Ubuntu 10.04 installed before and it worked great. I had to revert because my ubuntu 10.04 disk was defective and I didn't have internet at the time. can any one make any suggerstions?
[21:53] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: ok 9.04 not 9.10
[21:53] <gionnico> i'll try xforcevesa
[21:54] <Slart> abetterswordfish: you don't.. not on any normal machine, at least
[21:54] <ActionParsnip> tim_: try the i8024.reset boot option
[21:54] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: 9.04 is still good for now :)
[21:54] <Slart> abetterswordfish: of course.. you could download them and play them using vlc or something.. that works
[21:54] <abetterswordfish> That's a real bummer...
[21:54] <SuperMiguel> after installing idle-python2.6 how do i run it??
[21:54] <guntbert> !maverick | abetterswordfish
[21:54] <guntbert> abetterswordfish: sorry
[21:54] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: except the Grub error, which happended when exactly? upgrading from something?
[21:54] <Slart> abetterswordfish: I'm not sure how well chrome does with youtube and html5.. haven't tried it myself
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> abetterswordfish: you will need hardware accelleration and it will run fine
[21:55] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: anyway not sure if you can type again yet, but if not soon you will,  FloodBot2  got you since you flooded the channel
[21:55] <Boogie0> how can I set my locales (date format, time format, number format i.e.) to a locale format without changing the default language?
[21:55] <Guest_000> new question: can you interchange shell scripts between mac os x and ubuntu
[21:55] <littlepenguin> hi i have set up a sambaserver and its working fine except the use of users..when i allow everybody its accessable but when i want to use smbguest f.e. the pw request shows up but its  not accepting the user entered as configured..i tried several options with @workgroup ip\smbguest netbiosname\smbguest ..dunno..my firewall is configured correctly because without the use of useroptions its working
[21:55] <osmodivs> he was installing Ubuntu for the first time
[21:55] <abetterswordfish> O rly? how do I get hardware accleration
[21:55] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: ok, but what you showed me was 9.04 info
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> abetterswordfish: video drivers
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> abetterswordfish: if you run: lspci | grep -i vga   you can websearch for the output
[21:56] <littlepenguin> the share folder is the owner smbguest
[21:56] <tim_> ActionParsnip, How?
[21:56] <trism> SuperMiguel: should be under Applications/Programming, if not run idle-python2.6 in a terminal
[21:56] <tim_> ActionParsnip, in the grub boot menu?
[21:56] <abetterswordfish> is there a good all in one codec package?
[21:56] <gionnico> vga=791 xforcevesa to kernel parameters didn't help, i have blank screen with horizontal stripes when x starts
[21:56] <SuperMiguel> trism, nup :( idle-python doesnt work
[21:57] <gionnico> but i can press CTRL+ALT+F1 . some help from there to get a working X ?
[21:57] <sebsebseb> abetterswordfish: not exactly, but if you do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restriced-extras you get AVI support MP3 and such
[21:57] <trism> SuperMiguel: idle-python2.6
[21:57] <ActionParsnip> tim_: gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub     add the option in the quotes in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT part, then run:  sudo update-grub
[21:57] <sebsebseb> abetterswordfish: and if you want to play commercial DVD's wel
[21:57] <sebsebseb> !medibuntu | abetterswordfish
[21:57] <\u03b5> hi, I need help helping someone with no sound on PA
[21:58] <luddite1811> I went into the Ubuntu server vm and ran the lvextend -L60G /dev/mapper/homevol command
[21:58] <Boogie0> Gues_t000, not generally but some will work on both
[21:58] <luddite1811> and it states that there aren't enough extents
[21:58] <sebsebseb> luddite1811: #ubuntu-server support in that channel
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> abetterswordfish: theres also w32codecs (or w64codecs if you use 64bit)
[21:58] <\u03b5> we checked volume/mute, and both builtin speakers and headphones
[21:58] <inductiveload> hi. when I try to change the default file type for mp3 to banshee (from totem) using the "Open with" dialogue, the file opens with banshee as expected, but next time, totem is used again
[21:58] <\u03b5> aplay -L only shows
[21:58] <\u03b5> Playback/recording through the PulseAudio sound server
[21:58] <\u03b5> and I have no clue about PA myself
[21:58] <inductiveload> how can i keep banshee as the default application?
[21:59] <osmodivs> now he hates Linux
[21:59] <sebsebseb> inductiveload: system > preferences > preffered applications
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> osmodivs: let him
[21:59] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: you can help him out a lot
[21:59] <osmodivs> but I am no Linux expert either
[21:59] <Agu10> hey
[21:59] <inductiveload> sebsebseb: that says banshee
[21:59] <guntbert> luddite1811: (I'm leaving) - run sudo vgdisplay to see how much space is left
[21:59] <osmodivs> but I can't go back to Windows
[21:59] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: its Ubuntu, you don't need to be :D
[21:59] <littlepenguin> someone experience with sambashares?
[22:00] <osmodivs> How do yo...PM?
[22:00] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: anyway what is the problem exactly?  he tried to upgrade or something?
[22:00] <\u03b5>  /query recipient
[22:00] <Agu10> I have a problem when trying to resume, after having suspended my laptop. it boots from the beginning, and I loose all my opened programs
[22:00] <dasmalty> Anyone had a fresh Ubuntu 10.04 installation (kernel 2.6.33-22-generic) randomly freeze, then reboot after 20 seconds?
[22:00] <\u03b5> will open a PM window
[22:00] <osmodivs> No, it was his first time installing Ubuntu, he has Windows
[22:00] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: ok, but what you showed me earlier was for 9.04
[22:00] <katy> hi, i'm having a problem whit my wireless conection, the chipset of my wireless card is a broadcom, i have try many thinks, reading about the problem i found this:
[22:00] <katy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/550503
[22:00] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: so which version did he install?
[22:00] <Agu10> what should I do?
[22:00] <osmodivs> But, when he rebooted he said a message appeared, error 15
[22:00] <katy> sorry for my english
[22:01] <osmodivs> file not found
[22:01] <sebsebseb> !broadcom | katy
[22:01] <osmodivs> 9.04
[22:01] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: 9.04 is a good release, still supported untill the end of October, so why were you trying to get it upgraded?
[22:01] <rhin0> anyone know why i can't get rid of files off a sandisk usb stick - they won't go away - delete them they stay there - what tools should i be using to remove files from it
[22:01] <osmodivs> well, it is better to have te latest
[22:01] <rhin0> flash drive
[22:01] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: you can't directly upgrade to 10.04, you would have to go through 9.10 first, and well when 9.10 was new and such, quite a lot of people had issues upgrading from 9.04 to it
[22:02] <rhin0> says its full its empty etc
[22:02] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: Newer is not always better!  in certain ways 9.04 really is better than 10.04
[22:02] <osmodivs> Why have 9 when you can have 10?
[22:02] <osmodivs> and looks cooler
[22:03] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: oh you like how 10.04 looks, well not all of us are so keen on the new look,  as well as other things in 10.04, but this is a bit off topic.
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> osmodivs: not always better to have the latest at all, sometimes the slightly older ones are better as they are more mature
[22:03] <osmodivs> but, does 10.04 behaves difrent from 9.?
[22:03] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: anyway two options here.  1. try and fix Grub.  2.  clean install
[22:04] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: yes they do behave differnetly, take the boot up for example, very differnet
[22:04] <osmodivs> Yeah, I guess he is gonna have to download and install again
[22:04] <katy> anyone know somethings about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/550503
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> osmodivs: not much what the user sees but under the hood there are differences
[22:04] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: also if you want to help your cousin a bit more properly, whilst not actsually being there, well yes you can
[22:04] <sebsebseb> !vnc > osmodivs
[22:05] <magnetron> hi! it used to be the case that the title of the gnome-terminal window was updated when i ssh'd into a various systems, it used to be set to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>how do i re-enable this?
[22:05] <osmodivs> Well, he lives like a 1000 miles from where i live
[22:05] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: right so she what the bot pm'd
[22:05] <sebsebseb> see not she above
[22:05] <abstrakt> how do i find out what specific release i'm on?
[22:05] <tahsin> hi every1
[22:05] <osmodivs> about flooding
[22:06] <osmodivs> ¿?
[22:06] <abstrakt> does uname -a tell me?
[22:06] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: no
[22:06] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: I just got it to send you a message
[22:06] <katy> please help me}
[22:06] <magnetron> abstrakt: type "lsb_release -a" in a terminal
[22:06] <hmw> what character encoding does Ubuntu use by default for file names on ext3?
[22:07] <sebsebseb> katy: uhmm you could try ndiswrapper maybe instead, get Windows wireless driver working
[22:07] <abetterswordfish> My notifcations for Rhythmbox and Empathy aren't appearing...
[22:07] <abetterswordfish> My notifcations for Rhythmbox and Empathy aren't appearing... How to fix?
[22:07] <tahsin> hey
[22:07] <tahsin> i have 64 bit ubuntu
[22:08] <osmodivs> How do i send PM?
[22:08] <tahsin> and 4gb ram already
[22:08] <osmodivs> like tashin: hello
[22:08] <tahsin> but my system tell me i have 2.5 gb ram
[22:08] <tahsin> how can it be?
[22:08] <freefish_> hello
[22:08] <sebsebseb> osmodivs: /msg nick  or click on the persons irc nick I guess
[22:08] <offy> I am trying to automount an ext4 harddrive. /dev/sdb1. It doesn't want to mount
[22:08] <magnetron> tahsin: how does it tell you that?
[22:08] <TheChampion> phew
[22:08] <freefish_> how can i help about hylafax
[22:08] <TheChampion> this is going to be a long day
[22:09] <tahsin> sysinfo
[22:09] <tahsin> i downloaded it
[22:09] <sebsebseb> katy: if there is a bug with wireless in Ubuntu, not much can be done, except by developers
[22:09] <tahsin> and
[22:09] <principecontrahe> hi
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: try the pae kernel
[22:09] <daniel> hey guys I have problem I can just open mozilla firefox from my terminal not from menu why?.
[22:09] <principecontrahe> there is someone who talks spanis?
[22:09] <tahsin> memory total 2486 mb
[22:09] <sebsebseb> !es | principecontrahe
[22:09] <osmodivs> I speak Español
[22:09] <sebsebseb> principecontrahe: sure in there
[22:09] <tahsin> pae kernel?
[22:09] <tahsin> how can i do that
[22:09] <freefish_> can you help me about hylafax
[22:10] <freefish_> :)
[22:10] <katy> thank
[22:10] <magnetron> tahsin: which software did you download?
[22:10] <sebsebseb> katy: you can probably use your Wndows wireless driver in Ubuntu
[22:10] <osmodivs> well, thanks for everything
[22:10] <sebsebseb> katy: with Ndiswrapper
[22:10] <tahsin> sysinfo magnetron
[22:10] <osmodivs> "see" you guys later
[22:10] <sebsebseb> katy: if you can't get it working natively thats the next thing to try
[22:10] <magnetron> tahsin: which "sysinfo" are you talking about?
[22:10] <principecontrahe> osmodis puedes abrirmpe privado?
[22:10] <osmodivs> tal vez
[22:10] <principecontrahe> jo
[22:10] <principecontrahe> tal vez?
[22:11] <Hasanibrahim> hello, there is a real freezing problem at my PC.
[22:11] <katy> ok thanks i'm gona try
[22:11] <tahsin> i downloaded it via ubuntu software center
[22:11] <BluesKaj> daniel, what are you typing into the terminal?
[22:11] <tahsin> magnetron
[22:11] <Hasanibrahim> whlile i'm trying to dragging a window
[22:11] <bilg_e> hi all!
[22:11] <Hasanibrahim> lspci | grep VGA
[22:11] <sebsebseb> katy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[22:11] <sebsebseb> ah to late
[22:11] <Hasanibrahim>  02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV515 PRO [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series]
[22:11] <sebsebseb> just left
[22:12] <MagicIRC> Hello, how can I turn off SELinux please? :)
[22:12] <Hasanibrahim> what's the possible cause do you think ?
[22:12] <tahsin> is there any1 to help me
[22:12] <tahsin> ?
[22:12] <bilg_e> i install ubuntu 10.04 but it can not see th windows 7 on grub2. i give the command sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/linuxfilesystem /dev/sda      from the live cd but it does not worked.
[22:12] <sebsebseb> !ask | tahsin
[22:12] <magnetron> tahsin: how many memory sticks do you have?
[22:12] <BluesKaj> daniel, just type firefox, forget the mozilla
[22:13] <offy> I am trying to automount an ext4 harddrive. /dev/sdb1. It doesn't want to mount
[22:13] <freefish_> when i install hylafax-server with apt-get on Ubuntu 9.10 Server, Area Code []? line begin loop on my screen and i can stop hylafax-server installation process only. after that the FIFO.ttyS0 file not created with faxsetup. what can i do ?
[22:13] <tahsin> i dunno magnetron...but i think 2
[22:13] <sebsebseb> !grub2 | bilg_e
[22:13] <tahsin> 2gb+2gb
[22:13] <daniel> I know and it doesnt work.
[22:14] <bilg_e> sebsebseb i read them. but i can not. there is no an option to isnatll the grub 2 again ?
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> offy: ok what is the output of:    sudo mkdir /media/sdb1; sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1
[22:14] <magnetron> tahsin: on some motherboards, the memory sticks have to be installed in special slots in order to use all of them
[22:14] <nat2610> is there a way to trigger a script when ubuntu (10.4 in my case) is about to go to sleep or wakes up ?
[22:14] <magnetron> tahsin: only some combinations will work
[22:14] <BluesKaj> !who | daniel
[22:14] <aguitel> how remove all gnome stuff ?
[22:14] <sebsebseb> bilg_e: you can re configure Grub 2 again some how
[22:14] <sebsebseb> bilg_e: and stuff like that
[22:14] <sebsebseb> aguitel: why?
[22:15] <bilg_e> sebsebseb: ok. thanks . vey helpfull. see you!
[22:15] <Daekdroom> So, if I install kubuntu-desktop metapackage while running conventional ubuntu, but then I want to go back to only GNOME, is there any apt command that I can run that'll remove kubuntu-desktop and all of its dependencies that no other package depend upon?
[22:15] <Hasanibrahim>  hello, there is a real freezing problem at my PC especially whlile i'm trying to dragging a window. The result of " lspci | grep VGA " is   |||   02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV515 PRO [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series] |||
[22:15] <aguitel> sebsebseb, to install lxde and then install minimal gnome (gnome-core)
[22:15] <tahsin> i see magnetron....bun i am alredy using vista home premium 64 bit....i can use all my memory (4gb)
[22:15] <sebsebseb> nat2610: uhmm  I guess so, but there is a graphical program where you can set a time for shut down and that kind of thing
[22:15] <magnetron> !puregnome | Daekdroom
[22:15] <sebsebseb> nat2610: gshutdown
[22:15] <ActionParsnip> aguitel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[22:15] <Type-O> what package does ubuntu use to control the FN laptop keys?
 It Mounts fine. But in my fstab it mounts to desktop. And i want that
[22:15] <sebsebseb> aguitel: oh ok
[22:15] <sebsebseb> aguitel: well have LXDE installed first, or you might have a bit of a problem
[22:16] <sebsebseb> aguitel: I mean hardly if anything graphical will work
[22:16] <Daekdroom> magnetron, ubottu didn't answer.
[22:16] <nat2610> sebsebseb, I'm talking about getting a message from acpid to let me know that the computer is about to go to sleep
[22:16] <Boogie0> Type-O, it depends on your laptop
[22:16] <ActionParsnip> offy: then add an entry in /etc/fstab   for the partition
[22:16] <magnetron> Daekdroom: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[22:16] <MagicIRC> Hello, I'd like to turn off SELinux, how can I do that, please? :)
[22:16] <aguitel> sebsebseb, yes i know when i was in debian i installed lxde first and then the "minimal gnome"
[22:17] <Type-O> Boogie0, ubuntu by default detects your laptop and installs that FN key package?
[22:17] <sebsebseb> aguitel: ok
[22:17] <Agu10_> hi
[22:17] <Agu10_> how can I make the suspend function work?
[22:17] <benkevan> Agu10_: hi
[22:17] <ActionParsnip> aguitel: just install Lubuntu ;)
[22:17] <Agu10_> when I try to resume, the laptop goes off instead
[22:17] <benkevan> Agu10_: what's the problem with it?
[22:18] <Boogie0> Type-O, it depends on your lptop manufacturer if it is recicnized
[22:18] <benkevan> Agu10_: what do you mean "off" ? no video? powers off?
[22:18] <Type-O> Boogie0, Why I ask is I am using lubuntu and ubuntu by default uses my FN keys
[22:18] <aguitel> ActionParsnip, i know lubuntu but gnome-core is fine
[22:18] <sebsebseb> !lubuntu |  aguitel
[22:18] <Agu10_> it looks like it's suspended, but when I press a key, it looks like it's resuming, but after a few seconds, it powers off
[22:18] <benkevan> Type-O: what do you want your FN key to do? you can use sev to find your keycode, and setup keybindings?
[22:18] <Type-O> Boogie0, It's a Compaq laptop
[22:18] <tahsin> i see magnetron....bun i am already using vista home premium 64 bit....i can use all my memory (4gb)
[22:19] <Agu10_> benkevan, it looks like it's suspended, but when I press a key, it looks like it's resuming, but after a few seconds, it powers off
[22:19] <Type-O> benkevan, I want the brightness/sound/graphics fn keys
[22:19] <Agu10_> suspending works fine with windows seven though
[22:19] <Type-O> benkevan, actually just volume control
[22:19] <sebsebseb> Agu10_: thats not that relivent
[22:20] <Agu10_> sebsebseb, I mean, it works for the laptop
[22:20] <sebsebseb> Agu10_: Vista version 2 has built in support, or a driver came with the computer. Most standard hardware support is done by the Linux kernel :)
[22:20] <benkevan> Type-O: you can use xev to find the keycode, and fix the bindings.. (like you would in most windows managers, that are not complete DE"s)
[22:20] <sebsebseb> Agu10_: ,but suspend can be a bit of an issue  for example
[22:20] <Boogie0> Type-O, IMO it shouldn't differ if you have Lubuntu or Ubuntu
[22:20] <Type-O> benkevan, thanks
[22:21] <Agu10_> sebsebseb, is there a way to make it work? or do I have to power off and on again?
[22:21] <benkevan> Boogie0: It can greatly .. since it really depends on what the DE/WM is doing and how it's using the keybindings (ie.. you don't even know if it's using xmodmode) etc..
[22:21] <benkevan> Agu10_: have you tried it without acpi?
[22:21] <Agu10_> how's that, benkevan ?
[22:21] <tahsin> hi all...i wish u can solve my prob....i am using vista home premium and ubuntu 10.04 ....both thme is 64 bit....but i have a prob....on my vista i use all my memory (4gb).....but on my ubuntu use just 2.5 gb of my memory....Hpw can i solve the prob?
[22:22] <benkevan> Agu10_: you can try acpi=off in the kernel params defined for grub (assuming you're using grub and not lilo) ..
[22:22] <benkevan> Agu10_: also, do you see anything in the logs?
[22:22] <Daekdroom> !pae | tahsin
[22:22] <Agu10_> well, I don't think so
[22:22] <sebsebseb> Agu10_: well this computer runs another distro now, but with Ubuntu suspend didn't used to work, but then with a later release it does, just not exactly like Vista.  I mean mouse is still on with the light if Vista does it and such.
[22:23] <tahsin> ubottu: my system is 64bit
[22:23] <sebsebseb> Agu10_: I think is only hibernate where you need to have the correct amount of SWAP space
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: try the pae kernel
[22:23] <Daekdroom> tahsin, is the Ubuntu install?
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: ah, d'oh
[22:23] <tahsin> what is pae kernel?
[22:23] <Daekdroom> tahsin, you can run Ubuntu 32bits on a 64bits system
[22:23] <sebsebseb> tahsin: ubottu is a female bot computer program
[22:23] <sebsebseb> !gender
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: its a way 32bit kernels can access up to 12gb ram
[22:23] <benkevan> tahsin: pae = physical address which will allow you to use your whole memory space..
[22:23] <Daekdroom> PAE kernel is a 32bits kernel that allows you to use more than 3.2GB RAM
[22:23] <Agu10_> benkevan, http://pastebin.com/9HDwdXpf
[22:23] <benkevan> Agu10_: give that a try
[22:24] <tahsin> benkevan: ow yeaaah
[22:24] <Agu10_> let me try something, ill be right back
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: did you install 64bit ubuntu?
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: what is the output of:  uname -a
[22:24] <tahsin> yes actionparsnip
[22:24] <tahsin> its 64 bit
[22:24] <benkevan> Agu10_: you can hold the shift key while booting and add the acpi=off in the kernel line, to give it a shot
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: can you give the output please :)
[22:25] <tahsin> i installed 64bit ubuntu
[22:25] <sha1sum> Hey guys. I have a Logitech Comfort Cordless Keyboard K350, and I've tried KeyTouch and KeyTouch editor, and still some of the keys aren't recognized, including the windows key... I'm trying to make the windows key show the gnome panel, and I'd also like to get the expo, zoom in/out, and special function keys working. There used to be a command line program, and I think it was part of xorg, that would give you the hex code of keys that yo
[22:25] <Daekdroom> tahsin, show us the output of uname -a
[22:25] <cantoma> guys, chown gives permission to a user to user regarding a folder where a mount point exists. But once I unmount and mount it again happens that I get permission denied again. Is there a way of doing chown permanently for a folder???
[22:25] <tahsin> sorry bout that but i dunno output too!
[22:25] <benkevan> sha1sum: what's the output of xmodmap ?
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> sha1sum: i had that active using gnomenu but have never had it working any other way
[22:26] <Daekdroom> tahsin, open a GNOME terminal, type uname -a, press ENTER and tell us what it shows.
[22:26] <daniel> hey guys I have problem I cant start my firefox just from terminal why?
[22:26] <tahsin> Linux tahsin-laptop 2.6.32-22-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 22:02:19 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:26] <Jordan_U> daniel: What happens when you try?
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> daniel: run: alacarte   and check the command executed
[22:26] <sha1sum> benkevan: xmodmap! That's it! hold on... I'll get the codes for the keys
[22:26] <benkevan> daniel: how are you trying to launch firefox outside of the terminal? can you try /usr/bin/firefox ?
[22:26] <Daekdroom> tahsin, that is a 32bits install.
[22:26] <Daekdroom> tahsin, you need a PAE kernel, definitely.
[22:27] <tahsin> really
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: i686 == 32bit
[22:27] <sha1sum> benkevan: you mean just the output of the command all by itself?
[22:27] <benkevan> tahsin: yup.. that's 32-bit.. you just need to install the PAE kernel.. simple enough
[22:27] <daniel> just applications webbrowsers and firefox
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: if it said:  Linux tahsin-laptop 2.6.32-22-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 22:02:19 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:27] <tahsin> thx all
[22:27] <daniel> I trying also F2 + ctrl and wrote firefox
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: then it would be 64bit
[22:27] <unop> cantoma, what filesystem for the volume?
[22:27] <sebsebseb> !who | daniel
[22:27] <Agu10_> what should happen if I tried to suspend with ACPI off ?
[22:27] <benkevan> sha1sum: yah.. using that output, you should be able to determine the META key.. OR you can use the keycode, which can be determined by using xev
[22:27] <tahsin> can i upgrade to 64bit witout uninstall
[22:27] <Slart> tahsin: nope
[22:27] <daniel> ok ok sorry
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: no, you must reinstall
[22:27] <Daekdroom> tahsin, follow the instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
[22:27] <cantoma> unop, NTFS
[22:28] <sebsebseb> tahsin: if you are using 32bit you can't just do 64bit without a re install
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: or you caninstall the pae kernel to access the ram
[22:28] <Daekdroom> tahsin, you'll still be running 32bits but you're going to have your whole RAM
[22:28] <Daekdroom> Which is the great of the two worlds.
[22:28] <benkevan> sha1sum: once you have it, you can setup a keybinding for the key to open the menu :o) (I don't use gnome, so I dunno where that's configured.. maybe in gconf?) .. I'm sure gnome has a nice play for defining global shortcuts
[22:28] <daniel> jordan_u nothing happens
[22:28] <unop> cantoma, ntfs doesn't understand unix permissions or ownership .. so you can't use the usual chown/chmod route.
[22:28] <ActionParsnip> tahsin: you can install linux-image-generic-pae   and it will access all the ram in 32bit
[22:28] <daniel> benkevan Im tried the 2 ways alt f2 + ctrl
[22:29] <benkevan> tahsin: PAE kernel is ALL you need.. it's VERY simple.. I myself prefer 32-Bit w/ PAE kernel.. because of some apps not working well on x86_64 (still)
[22:29] <unop> cantoma, are you mounting this volume manually? if so, how exactly?
[22:29] <Jordan_U> daniel: Are you sure that it isn't starting a new window in another workspace?
[22:29] <daniel> yup
[22:29] <cantoma> unop, i add it to udev first then i add it to fstab
[22:29] <daniel> jordan_U Im really sure.
[22:29] <benkevan> daniel: have you used the full path? /usr/bin/firefox ? instead of just firefox?
[22:29] <daniel> benkevan no will I try that?.
[22:29] <sha1sum> benkevan: okay do you know of a tutorial for xmodmap and getting all of this functional? I've done this before, but it was like 4-5 years ago, and I need a primer.
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> daniel: check the menu is running the right thing rather than no /usr/bin/firefox
[22:29] <tahsin> thank youuuu
[22:30] <unop> cantoma, in that case, you need to use the UID/GID options for the mountpoint to specify an owner to be assumed
[22:30] <benkevan> sha1sum: primer can be found at home depot.. it's great before your final coat..
[22:30] <daniel> actionparsnip its nothing process which are firefox I checked with ps aux
[22:30] <unop> cantoma, see ''man mount.ntfs-3g''
[22:30] <magnetron> benkevan: that's neither fun nor nice or useful
[22:30] <cantoma> unop, so how i can change this --> /dev/backup2    /media/backup2  auto    user,rw,exec,nosuid,nodev   0       0
[22:30] <sha1sum> benkevan: like there's supposed to be a way that you can run a command-line command and it will just wait for keypresses then give you the output codes
[22:30] <benkevan> sha1sum: naw.. but ummmm.. really it will depend on where gnome has key bindings..  Like I just pressed the expo key and nothing happened in xev
[22:32] <unop> PigeonCluster, nice try.
[22:32] <PigeonCluster> Jordan_U, it has a warning on it </meek voice>
[22:32] <bcj> PigeonCluster: Or    :(){ : | :};
[22:32] <benkevan> sha1sum: is expo (not sure what that is) a meta key, that must be pressed with something else?
[22:32] <sebsebseb> !danger
[22:32] <benkevan> can you hold the expo key and press n
[22:32] <sha1sum> benkevan: the windows key, zoom in/out keys, etc. do nothing also
[22:32] <unop> bcj, you're looking for a ban eh?
[22:32] <benkevan> then press n by itself, to see if it has 2 different key codes
[22:32] <daniel> doesnt work actionparsnip what else can it be?.
[22:32] <bcj> unop: Nope
[22:32] <sebsebseb> !troll | PigeonCluster bcj
[22:33] <daniel> hmm when I use sudo bash in terminal and firefox does it works good
[22:33] <PigeonCluster> sebsebseb, ok fine i get it ...
[22:33] <bcj> sebsebseb: Calm
[22:33] <Jordan_U> daniel: Don't EVER run firefox as root.
[22:33] <PigeonCluster> daniel, what Jordan_U said
[22:33] <sha1sum> benkevan: actually wait a minute... xev by itself is what I should be running? because pressing letter keys while xev is running gives no output on xev but the 'n' echoes
[22:33] <unop> bcj, bctop
[22:33] <bcj> I was following on from someone else who had previously said _not_ to do it
[22:33] <benkevan> daniel: oh.. when you're launching firefox in terminal.. you're doing it as root? does it launch as your normal user?
[22:33] <anigma> if I need Java Runtime should I just install the OpenJDK Java 6 Runtime?
[22:33] <ocatacoo> !file permission
[22:33] <sebsebseb> PigeonCluster: bcj  You can get in right trouble with the ops for doing stuff like the above ^
[22:33] <daniel> no :S benkevan
[22:33] <erUSUL> anigma: why not
[22:33] <funkyHat> sha1sum: in that case the key isn't really part of the keyboard (hardware wise) and you'll need a special driver. it's possible that one isn't available at all for Linux
[22:33] <chris_> Hi, I have USB headphones connected, when I try to play audio it comes out of the internal speakers, though. How do I set the default device? My window manager is LXDE. Thanks! :)
[22:33] <erUSUL> !java | anigma
[22:34] <daniel> sorry jordan_U
[22:34] <benkevan> sha1sum: yah.. launch xev.. then go inside the little white box.. and start pushing buttons :)
[22:34] <Jordan_U> daniel: Can you pastebing the output of "sh -x $(which firefox)" ?
[22:34] <daniel> how can I fix the solution I tried to restall it too
[22:34] <sha1sum> ahh the white box. gotcha
[22:34] <cantoma> unop, thanks .. but for writing in the disk is there anything i need to do else?
[22:34] <daniel> jordan_u is it just to write in console sh -x firefox?
[22:34] <ocatacoo> ubottu: file permission
[22:34] <cantoma> unop, i can now access it but no writing on it
[22:34] <daniel> sh: Can't open firefox
[22:34] <The-Jag> hi all
[22:34] <Jordan_U> daniel: No, that won't work
[22:35] <daniel> ok
[22:35] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: hi
[22:35] <tiq> Hello. I'm trying to install Ubuntu without a CD, and have copied the contents of the iso to the same hard disk I want to install it on, but on another partition. The installer however insists on unmounting the partition, and obviously installation can't continue after that... Any ideas?
[22:35] <daniel> tell me how to write please I should appreacite it a example should make it kinda easier.
[22:35] <ocatacoo> anyone file permission
[22:35] <benkevan> daniel: can you launch firefox in a terminal as YOUR user?
[22:35] <sha1sum> benkevan: okay I think I can take it from here. Some of the ultra-special keys aren't working, but I have a code for the windows key now, which is really all I'm worried about
[22:35] <daniel> yes benkevan
[22:35] <The-Jag> is there a way to import photos to f-spot from an external HDD without copying them elsewhere?
[22:35] <unop> cantoma, have you used the right uid/userid there?
[22:35] <erUSUL> !permissions | ocatacoo
[22:35] <daniel> or no benkevan
[22:35] <unop> cantoma, you can find out what your user id is with ''id -u''
[22:36] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: yes I think so, in the import settings
[22:36] <cantoma> unop, user,rw,exec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000   0       0
[22:36] <daniel> benkevan NO
[22:36] <benkevan> daniel: what does it give you when you type firefox in a terminal window?
[22:36] <Jordan_U> tiq: You can use the netboot installer, since everything is contained in the kernel and initrd (which are copied to ram) you don't even need to store it in a separate partition.
[22:36] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: let me check
[22:36] <unop> cantoma, well, 1000 is the default userid for the first user -- in your case, it might be different, so do check first.
[22:36] <daniel> benkevan it gives me nothing nothing happens
[22:36] <ocatacoo> erUSUL: ubottu drew blank with me
[22:36] <daniel> benkevan I must do sudo bash first then can I write firefox
[22:37] <benkevan> daniel: seems like the issue is with your .mozilla (and your account)
[22:37] <dbahiaz> hi... the  flash stopped working after upgrade ff 3.6.6
[22:37] <daniel> yeah
[22:37] <benkevan> daniel: have you tried to mv ~/.mozilla ~/mozillaold and reopen mozilla?
[22:37] <domjohnson> Is there a command that allows me to find all files of a file type that doesn't have that file extension?
[22:37] <daniel> I have tried to restall mozilla benkevan
[22:37] <zatoichi> hi
[22:38] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: I can't fins any :(
[22:38] <The-Jag> find
[22:38] <daniel> but will I try that u did?
[22:38] <unop> domjohnson, find /path/to/your_dir/ ! -iname "*.foo"
[22:38] <sebsebseb> dbahiaz: someone else seemed to have a similar issue
[22:38] <benkevan> daniel: reinstalling firefox will not do anything to ~/.mozilla
[22:38] <daniel> tell me how to write in terminal please I do it.
[22:38] <chris_> Hi, I have USB headphones connected, when I try to play audio it comes out of the internal speakers, though. How do I set the default device? My window manager is LXDE. Thanks! :)
[22:38] <unop> domjohnson, or better to limit the find to just files instead of everything else.    find /path/to/your_dir/ -type f ! -iname "*.foo"
[22:38] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: well normally when importing fiels
[22:38] <tiq> Jordan_U: it'll need the rest of the filesystem too won't it?
[22:38] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: you don't have to import them to some folder
[22:39] <Slart> domjohnson: I don't think there is a "ready to run" command.. but you could do something with a script, "file" "find" and such
[22:39] <ernz> Hi all. I am rocking a buggy 10.04 on my laptop. After an upgrade today, the mouse stopped working. It works fine in the login screen, but then it gets into the desktop and buttons and mousepad both die. Can't see anything in the forums. Anyone familiar with this?
[22:39] <daniel> benkevan please tell me how to write in my terminal , then can I fix it :)
[22:39] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: actually, some of the photos were imported with picasa software, so f-spot cannot "see" them.
[22:39] <Slart> domjohnson: you'll have to make some decisions though.. some filetypes could fit more than one extension
[22:39] <dbahiaz> Anybody know the  solution?
[22:40] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: well f-spot is ok, but a bit sucky as well,  so  in 10.10 they will have Shotwell instead
[22:40] <Jordan_U> tiq: No, everything is either copied to ram first thing during boot or grabbed from the internet (and stored in RAM, or in the filesystem you're installing to)
[22:40] <sebsebseb> !info Shotwell
[22:40] <hugo> my usb scanner gone, can someone help me?
[22:40] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: ah really? is it any better?
[22:40] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: apparantly quite a bit better yeah
[22:40] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: from things I have been reading
[22:40] <sandking> joinhey
[22:40] <sandking> hey
[22:40] <sandking> ;]
[22:40] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: I'll check it
[22:40] <sandking> in installation info i see there's a line that i need to type "make" but i got error "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop."
[22:41] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: however piccassa is better than F-Spot I guess
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> hugo: run: lsusb    one line will identify the device, use the 8 character hex ID for uides
[22:41] <domjohnson> unop - that just seems to be finding every single file I have
[22:41] <sandking> so how do i need to run make?
[22:41] <dbahiaz> sebsebseb: know  how to downgrade
[22:41] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: f-spot will still be in repo for 10.10, just not a default app, being clear
[22:41] <unop> domjohnson, well, not really - it's finding everything except files that have an extension of .foo.  what do you want it limited to?
[22:41] <sebsebseb> dbahiaz: nah try another browser though?  what tends to happen with Ubuntu is this,  Flash gets issues in FIrefox, but thats on the verge of changing it seems.   and other browsers :)
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> sandking: you'll need to install build-essential    ensure your pwd is the folder containing the source
[22:42] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: it is better but I'd like to have the option of direct uploading of photos to fb or flickr too, not just picasa
[22:42] <tiq> Jordan_U: it'll take a while to download the iso again, is there a way to point to the one I've got already?
[22:42] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: that's my only problem, other than that i'm fine with picasa!
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> sandking: its easier to find a PPA
[22:42] <daniel> benkevan thanks it worked.!
[22:42] <domjohnson> a file that is of a certain type (TOC) but doesn't have that extension (.toc)
[22:42] <benkevan> daniel: no problem
[22:42] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: oh I know what you could try as an alternative, if you don't mind instaling KDE stuff
[22:42] <benkevan> daniel: you'll be missing your history and bookmarks..
[22:42] <daniel> sorry I didnt understand first lol
[22:43] <daniel> that doesnt matter to me :)
[22:43] <sandking> ActionParsnip: I got build-essential installed but i don't know what you mean about password in the folder
[22:43] <benkevan> you can import your  bookmarks from the ~/mozillaold taht you moved it to
[22:43] <unop> domjohnson, what is type?  a mime type or a file extension?
[22:43] <daniel> thanks but I got a restore file I made
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> sandking: pwd == present working directory
[22:43] <daniel> I have another problem through..
[22:43] <sandking> ActionParsnip: oh ;]
[22:43] <hugo> ok...i got the ID, what do i have to do now? (sorry i'm a begginer)
[22:43] <domjohnson> umm...not sure
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> sandking: your terminal needs to be in the sam directory as the files you are compiling
[22:43] <Jordan_U> tiq: Not easily, the netboot kernel and initrd are tiny, but you'll be downloading everything else during the install.
[22:44] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: digikam
[22:44] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: I find myself confortable in gnome so if possible i'd like to stick with it :)
[22:44] <ocatacoo> I see permissions drwx what does the d = stand for
[22:44] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: yes, but
[22:44] <domjohnson> The program I used to save something didn't give it the extension it looks for, and doesn't have a 'recent files' function
[22:44] <Dulak> ocatacoo: directory
[22:44] <chris_> Hi, I have USB headphones connected, when I try to play audio it comes out of the internal speakers, though. How do I set the default device? My window manager is LXDE. Thanks! :)
[22:44] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: you can run most KDE apps inside Gnome as well :)  just like most Gnome apps run inside KDE
[22:44] <daniel> I can mount all my drives with pysdm without 1 why?.
[22:44] <sandking> ActionParsnip: so how do i set it up?
[22:44] <ernz> Mouse stopped working after upgrade. Any takers?
[22:44] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: and neither desktop envirionment and its apps is anywhere near perfect, so I been mixing apps since 2004/5 here and there
[22:45] <unop> domjohnson,  well, let's say you knew the mime type of the file ( use the command ''file -ib /path/to/example_file'' to find out ) you could use something like this to find all text files that don't have an extension of .txt.    find . ! -iname "*.txt" -execdir bash -c '[[ $(file -ib "$1") = text/plain* ]]' _ {} \; -print
[22:45] <tiq> is there an alternative installer to ubiquity? I don't really see why that one wants to unmount anything before installing
[22:45] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: yes yes, i was talking about graphics themes of those app :)
[22:45] <coder7_w> where does empathy do its logging?
[22:45] <Unik> .
[22:45] <sandking> ActionParsnip: i'm in the dir with source in terminal if that what you mean
[22:45] <Unik> Hi all
[22:45] <Unik> I need some help pls
[22:45] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: so what if they look a bit differnet from the other apps in Gnome :D
[22:45] <sebsebseb> !ask | Unik
[22:46] <Jordan_U> tiq: Just download http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/linux and http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz and boot them.
[22:46] <sha1sum> Aha! The windows key is mapped to Mod4
[22:46] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: oh nothing i am just picky in this case :D
[22:46] <sha1sum> I might like this once I get used to it.
[22:46] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: shotwell doesn't seem so bad
[22:46] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: you just tried it?
[22:46] <Unik> i need drivers for ubuntu lts 10.4 Radeon 9200
[22:47] <Unik> can smb help me?
[22:47] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: just looked at its website
[22:47] <sebsebseb> The-Jag: yeah  I am not sure if it is in the 10.04 repo
[22:47] <unop> domjohnson, similarly, to find all videos that are not .mpegs.   find . ! -iname "*.mpg" ! -iname "*.mpeg" -execdir bash -c '[[ $(file -ib "$1") = video* ]]' _ {} \; -print
[22:47] <hugo> i got this: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 055f:0001 Mustek Systems, Inc. ScanExpress 1200 CU
[22:47] <tiq> Jordan_U: I'd rather not download the iso's worth of data again, I'm on a tight usage policy here :) if I can't get the current installer working, will probably just get an external cd drive and hope that works
[22:48] <darksider> ?
[22:48] <The-Jag> sebsebseb: i don't think so too
[22:48] <domjohnson> ok
[22:48] <benkevan> sha1sum: yah.. I could have told you that.. hehe.. that's the most common mapping Mod4 (or S for openbox I believe)
[22:49] <Unik> !ask driver ati  radeon 9200 ubuntu 10.4 lts
[22:49] <benkevan> sha1sum: but isn't it so much funner figuring it out yourself?
[22:49] <sha1sum> suuuuure why not
[22:50] <Unik> Guys i need help coz i'm new on liniz
[22:50] <sebsebseb> !ask | Unik
[22:50] <Unik> ati radeon
[22:50] <Slart> Unik: just describe your problem. Oh and the operating system is called Ubuntu or Linux
[22:50] <sebsebseb> !details | Unik
[22:51] <Unik> ati radeon 9200 drives
[22:51] <Unik> drivers*
[22:51] <sebsebseb> Slart: Unik  to be exact Linux is just a kernel not an operating system,  that many Linux distributions/distros use,  Ubuntu being one of them.  http://www.distrowatch.com :)  ( and yes I know you already know Slart :D )
[22:51] <chris_> Hi, I have USB headphones connected, when I try to play audio it comes out of the internal speakers, though. How do I set the default device? My window manager is LXDE. Thanks! :)
[22:52] <sebsebseb> Slart: well I assume you do
[22:52] <Slart> sebsebseb: =)
[22:53] <hugo> my usb scanner gone, i type lsusb and got this information about my scanner, Bus 002 Device 005: ID 055f:0001 Mustek Systems, Inc. ScanExpress 1200 CU, what can i do now?
[22:53] <sebsebseb> Unik: what is the ATI problem you have?
[22:53] <sebsebseb> Unik: you have only given details where we can guess what the problem might be
[22:54] <Unik> sebsebseb, i have not drivers for 9200 ati radeon
[22:54] <sebsebseb> Unik: taking  a guess,  I guess you can't install the driver?
[22:54] <Unik> yes
[22:54] <sebsebseb> Unik: why do you want to install a driver?
[22:54] <Slart> Unik: perhaps you'll find it easier to chat in italian... if you type   /join #ubuntu-it  you'll get to the italian ubuntu channel
[22:54] <Unik> to have more good 3D
[22:55] <Unik> thnx
[22:55] <ennui> does anyone here use a GUI for fan control?
[22:55] <sebsebseb> !ati | Unik
[22:55] <Slart> Unik: although your english is quite ok
[22:55] <mj8741> Hi all, getting "error probing smb1" upon boot in 10.04.  Anybody know what that is? - thanks
[22:55] <Unik> thnx
[22:55] <sebsebseb> ImaLamer: have you been using Samaba?
[22:55] <Slart> ennui: I didn't know there was one.. I've always used the command line options
[22:55] <sebsebseb> ImaLamer: not you
[22:55] <sebsebseb> mj8741: have you been using Samaba?
[22:56] <mj8741> sebsebseb: no
[22:56] <tsolox> is the linux kernel in ubuntu the original linux kernel or has it been patched to ubuntu-specific patches...and why?
[22:56] <sebsebseb> mj8741: I am thinking smbclient and samba.   When do you get that error message?
[22:56] <sebsebseb> tsolox: patched for use by Ubuntu
[22:57] <sebsebseb> tsolox: its not a vanilla kernel
[22:57] <mj8741> sebsebseb: get it while booting - system does boot ok though.
[22:57] <suicidepills> when i go to administration > shared folders and create a new share, "samba" doesn't appear as an option in the "share through" drop-down.  Does anyone know why that might be?
[22:57] <tsolox> sebsebseb: can we use vanila kernel for ubuntu?
[22:57] <sebsebseb> tsolox: you can install  your own kernel if you want to, but  support for that well not here, and maybe will cause a little upgrade issue if you upgrade Ubuntu
[22:58] <sebsebseb> tsolox: also most users don't have a good enough reason to install their own
[22:58] <idefixx> its not samba... its the nforce2 smb-us error msg. (i guess)
[22:58] <tsolox> sebsebseb: last time i used ubuntu, it was able to mount a jfs partition. How do you suggest i go around this?
[22:59] <tsolox> was not
[22:59] <sebsebseb> mj8741: sometimes when booting  Ubuntu there may be error messages,  I will ignore them :D  unless there is an actsaul problem.  Also you could Google  yours to try and find out what it means.
[22:59] <sebsebseb> tsolox: uh why are you using jfs?
[22:59] <sebsebseb> tsolox: hardly anyone uses that file system
[22:59] <tsolox> sebsebseb: okey...how about xfs
[22:59] <erUSUL> tsolox: jfs support is still there afaics « /lib/modules/2.6.32-22-generic/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko »
[22:59] <mj8741> sebsebseb: ok, just didn't what it to be a security issue -
[23:00] <tsolox> erUSUL: you mean, i could just modprobe it?
[23:00] <Slart> tsolox: xfs works nicely on my system
[23:00] <sebsebseb> tsolox: hardly anyone uses xfs or reiser or any of that with Ubuntu either,  its Ext4 by default since 9.10, and Ext3  before 9.10 by default
[23:00] <sebsebseb> tsolox: and a year or so and it will be btrfs by default
[23:00] <coder7_w> wtf is btrfs?
[23:00] <sebsebseb> tsolox: 11.04 probably I mean
[23:00] <tsolox> sebsebseb: it's a portable drive i attached to usb
[23:00] <erUSUL> tsolox: yes; but you shouldn't need to do it manually the mount should trigger the module load
[23:00] <Slart> tsolox: I don't use it for the root fs.. but for my large data storage hard drives
[23:00] <Dulak> ext4 needs another 5-10 years to mature before I'd use it in production
[23:01] <sebsebseb> coder7_w: a next generation file system, that will become the default for most distros, when it is ready enough
[23:01] <sebsebseb> !language | coder7_w
[23:01] <Slart> coder7_w: the new cool file systems all the cool distros use.. or will use.. perhaps..
[23:01] <coder7_w> what? doesn't it stand for "what the face"?
[23:01] <coder7_w> geesh... some people don't watch enough TV
[23:01] <Jordan_U> Dulak: So I assume you won't be using btrfs for another decade or so?
[23:01] <tsolox> sebsebseb: by 'hardly use it anymore', did you mean it is obsolete or what?
[23:01] <Dulak> Jordan_U, nope
[23:02] <Slart> coder7_w: let's hope it's not a description of what you'll look like when you realise all your files are gone
[23:02] <sebsebseb> tsolox: jfs and xfs are still made as far as I know, but hardly any Linux users use them
[23:02] <Dulak> Jordan_U, I got burned hard by ext3, never again.
[23:02] <idefixx> Dulak: ext4 is good enough for google but nor for you!?
[23:02] <tsolox> Slart: what fs did you mean xfs | jfs?
[23:02] <sebsebseb> idefixx: well Google also hired the lead Ext4 developer
[23:02] <idefixx> so?
[23:02] <LjL> !offtopic
[23:02] <domjohnson> night all
[23:02] <Slart> tsolox: I use xfs on some of my hard drives... ext4 for root though
[23:03] <ImaLamer> If i install the restricted nvidia drivers and it says 'current' version is that the latest from the nv site?
[23:03] <Dulak> Nope, google has thousands of servers when data gets corrupted they just pull from thier cloud, I have 2 servers and no cloud
[23:03] <tsolox> sebsebseb: i think, mostly because ext4 has easier migration with their previous ext fs...
[23:03] <wildbat> hmmm which one have better compression ? bzip or gzip ?
[23:03] <sebsebseb> ImaLamer: thats the recommended version I think
[23:03] <tiq> jordan_U: managed to fool the installer by modifying mtab, and now it stopped complaining about the mounted cdrom and seems to be continuing with the installation. weird one!
[23:03] <coder7_w> Dulak: 2 servers is enough to make a cloud... :P
[23:03] <sebsebseb> ImaLamer: also only install directly from Nividia as a last resort, since problems are likely to happen if you do
[23:03] <Dulak> So google can have ext4, and figure out the bugs for me
[23:03] <erUSUL> wildbat: xz or lzma ;P
[23:04] <tsolox> sebsebseb: but xfs came close to ext4 during Google's evaluation, i think
[23:04] <Slart> wildbat: I think bzip is a little bit newer.. but I'm sure there are comparisons out there
[23:04] <wildbat> erUSUL, OH
[23:04] <ennui> Slart: What command line options for fan control? I just know 'sensors' to see the readouts
[23:04] <erUSUL> wildbat: bzip has better compression but is dog slow ( i.e not worth the gains )
[23:04] <sebsebseb> tsolox: apparantly XFS has had loads of the Ext4 advantages for well years
[23:04] <Dulak> coder7_w: if they weren't already dedicated to you know serving webpages and databases I'd agree
[23:04] <Slart> ennui: depends on which fans you want to control.. nvclock handles the fans for my graphics card, for example
[23:04] <ImaLamer> sebsebseb, what is the fear the driver is dated compared to new cards
[23:04] <sebsebseb> ImaLamer: this isn't Windows
[23:05] <coder7_w> Dulak: yeah, I know the feeling. I just built my first UEC. Had to buy new hardware
[23:05] <sebsebseb> ImaLamer: so installing new graphics card drivers or whatever in Windows, not usesaully going to cause a problem,  as long as your doing it for the correct hardware
[23:05] <unop> erUSUL, depends on the volume you're moving and then 2KiB does make a difference. :)
[23:05] <sebsebseb> ImaLamer: if you do a graphics card driver for  a Linux distro, well your messing around with xorg, and xorg can really mess up on people at times
[23:05] <coder7_w> Dulak: it is nice though. Storage controller running RAID 5 and the cloud has snapshot support.... so I really could care less what fs the instances are using
[23:05] <ImaLamer> sebsebseb, <.< of course
[23:06] <Dulak> I'm just incredibly conservative about filesystems,  reiser and ext3 both screwed me when I adopted them early
[23:06] <erUSUL> unop: well then use lzma or xz ;P they are slower but it pays of
[23:06] <ImaLamer> sebsebseb, i'm trying to help a friend with newer card and worse performance, just checking around
[23:06] <sebsebseb> ImaLamer: and most people don't need the very latest driver anyway, so what the repo has is ideal,  and what is in the repo has been tested by Ubuntu developers as far as I know
[23:06] <mj8741> sebsebseb: SMB1 error is a "packet chaining vulnerability"  I don't currently have samba installed should not be a security issue right?
[23:07] <coder7_w> Dulak: how early did you start using ext3?
[23:07] <sebsebseb> mj8741: its probably ok, but if you want to be sure or whatever, clean install :D
[23:07] <BiggFREE> Hi
[23:07] <ImaLamer> sebsebseb, i don't intend on him trying a newer set - just wanting to confirm something against for help earlier in #winehq
[23:07] <Dulak> coder7_w: about a year after it became standard
[23:07] <sebsebseb> ImaLamer: oh
[23:08] <ImaLamer> sebsebseb, who told me to go slackware (lmao)
[23:08] <coder7_w> Dulak: I'll admit I lost some data that could have been recovered if it weren't for ext3, but it was user error that caused it. Ext3 journaling has saved me many times though
[23:08] <visitor2> does anyone know what the best way to make a persistent bootable sd card or usb pen drive is?
[23:08] <Dulak> coder7_w: I will experiment with languages, database servers, etc.  Not filesystems though.
[23:08] <sebsebseb> coder7_w: yeah some people have this idea that,  file systems aren't that good, untill they are pretty old, and so they think stable
[23:08] <ImaLamer> welcome to #disk_formats!
[23:08] <mj8741> sebsebseb: this is new install - don't this I'll worry about it since samba not even installed.
[23:08] <sebsebseb> coder7_w: anyway don't worry about file system to much,  Ubuntu will only  change to another, when it is stable enough for most users
[23:09] <idefixx> visitor2: no offence to ubuntu but id' go BackTrack
[23:09] <sebsebseb> coder7_w: I mean change as the default,  hence why btrfs was only a maybe  as default for 10.10, but now probably won't be untill 11.04
[23:09] <tsolox> how does ubuntu able to automount attached jumpdrives ? i usually manually , mount it in my box here...
[23:09] <visitor2> idefixx,  what do you mean?
[23:10] <tsolox> is it thru some udev rules or somethin'?
[23:10] <Dulak> The idea gets proven enough through data loss.  Lose a job because of data loss from a new filesystem and you'll join me.
[23:10] <sebsebseb> coder7_w: plus its already been in development for like two years or something,  and at least one distro is already using it by default.  others have it as an option.
[23:10] <idefixx> visitor2: google backtrack click first link.. extremely easy to use persistent usb vise
[23:10] <erUSUL> tsolox: udev + udisk ( formely known as devicekit-disks )
[23:10] <coder7_w> so far the info on it looks decent
[23:11] <visitor2> oh - does it make the drive from a cd or windows or ubuntu, none of which I currently have?
[23:11] <sebsebseb> coder7_w: on what btrfs?  wil be interesting when it comes default, since the snapshot feature :D
[23:11] <visitor2> and persistent sd too?
[23:11] <Jordan_U> Dulak: Why didn't you have backups?
[23:11] <Chiggins> Hey, how can I change what version of Java I'm using... I wanna use sun-java5-jdk
[23:11] <coder7_w> yeah, I was looking at the btrfs wiki
[23:12] <erUSUL> Chiggins: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[23:12] <Dulak> Jordan_U the backups got corrupted too.  Biggest mess of my career
[23:12] <sebsebseb> !java | Chiggins
[23:12] <coder7_w> sebsebseb; why wont your handle tab-complete in empathy?
[23:12] <sebsebseb> coder7_w: what?
[23:12] <Gimble> Hey all, is this the place to come for help? :)
[23:12] <sebsebseb> coder7_w: I dont' use Empathy :)
[23:12] <sebsebseb> Gimble: yes
[23:12] <sebsebseb> Gimble: and to just ask the question as well
[23:13] <visitor2> does anyone know what the best way to make a persistent bootable sd card or usb pen drive is?
[23:13] <coder7_w> eh... well I haven't gotten around to installing a "real" IRC client since I installed 10.04
[23:13] <sebsebseb> !usb | visitor2
[23:13] <coder7_w> empathy was default
[23:13] <Jordan_U> Dulak: That's why you should keep backups out of band and check them regularly. With a proper backup scheme that situation shouldn't be possible.
[23:13] <coder7_w> and it wont tab complete your handle
[23:13] <visitor2> ooops seems I backtracked in another sense, sorry
[23:13] <Chiggins> How do I fully uninstall any open jdk stuff?  I still have something coming up saying I'm using javac 1.6.0_20
[23:13] <sebsebseb> coder7_w: well xchat is popular, but I like Konversation :)
[23:13] <coder7_w> it will for everyone else's handle though
[23:13] <idefixx> hes not talking about installing it from usb
[23:13] <idefixx> persistent usb means boot and keeping changes on usb
[23:13] <visitor2> not from a usb drive to a usb drive
[23:13] <Gimble> Okay, i am completely new to linux, I am trying to get my wireless to work but no joy. where should i start? im not sure if its drivers or me doing something wrong.
[23:14] <visitor2> and persistent not simple live
[23:14] <sebsebseb> Gimble: ok your going to have to get your wireless configured
[23:14] <Jordan_U> visitor2: IMHO the best way is to just do a standard install.
[23:14] <sebsebseb> Gimble: two ways.  1.  native Linux driver.  2.  Ndiswrapper with WIndows dr ver
[23:14] <Dulak> Jordan_U: I agree it was a budget issue and I screwed it up.  It has made me less of an early adopter though.
[23:14] <visitor2> most of the instructions I have found require either a cd drive, windows, or ubuntu already installed somewhere
[23:14] <coder7_w> sebsebseb: I used to have a permanent irssi session running in a screen session on my server
[23:15] <visitor2> or install to a hard drive instead
[23:15] <sebsebseb> Gimble: and if neither work for you with Ubuntu, well the wireless  may just work in some other distro.
[23:15] <sebsebseb> !wireless | Gimble
[23:15] <TheChampion> is there a reason why ubuntu won't recognize my tv for a monitor?
[23:15] <coder7_w> sebsebseb: then I rebooted after some 700+ days of uptime and never bothered to restart the session :P
[23:15] <visitor2> Jordan_U: what do you mean?
[23:15] <Gimble> okay, thanks, ill check that out
[23:15] <icelink> Hey there. Any idea why audacious will only play certain wav-files but not others? Maybe some codecs I missed out?
[23:16] <belkinsa> Do you have the restricted extras installed?
[23:16] <Jordan_U> visitor2: Install the same way you would to a normal hard drive, just make sure that you setup grub to install to the card / usb drive.
[23:16] <erUSUL> icelink: a wav file is a wav file; you only need the wav codec
[23:16] <TheChampion> anyone have an answer for why ubuntu wont recognize my tv?
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Gimble: really number 2 you should only do if you can't get it working natively, but heres the link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[23:16] <Gimble> I forgot to check what my wireless card is in windows, can i check in linux?
[23:16] <EpicCyndaquil> how can I get the IPs of all computers on my network?
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Gimble: Good luck
[23:16] <icelink> erUSUL: i know that's weird since only some files are played (and the others for certain worked on another os)
[23:16] <Slart> EpicCyndaquil: nmap is nice
[23:17] <erUSUL> Gimble: lspci | grep -i  net
[23:17] <erUSUL> icelink: only happens with audacious? what about totem (default player) ?
[23:17] <Slart> EpicCyndaquil: something like   "nmap 192.168.0.*" will give you a list of computer on that local network..
[23:18] <TheChampion> ugh i hate my life
[23:18] <Niglop> y
[23:18] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: Ubuntu tends to work best with standard hardware
[23:18] <TheChampion> but my monitor is dead, so i am forced to try to use my tv :|
[23:18] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: and no that does not exactly include using TV's, but I guess, if its just a plug the computer into the TV, it should work really
[23:18] <icelink> erUSUL: hm indeed, only adacious
[23:18] <visitor2> but can you format flash media the same way Jordan_U ?
[23:18] <icelink> *audacious
[23:19] <EpicCyndaquil> thanks Slart, somehow my server's IP got changed from *.8 to *.10 O_o
[23:19] <Jordan_U> visitor2: Yes, there's nothing really speciall about flash media.
[23:19] <Slart> EpicCyndaquil: you're welcome
[23:19] <TheChampion> i'm using a live disc if that would affect anything
[23:19] <HoldenC> Hello, I'm using hardy and I've seen that they have updated firefox from 3.0 to 3.6, which is great. The font rendering in 3.6 is pretty bad though...has anyone else noticed this?
[23:19] <visitor2> what I want to do is set it up so I press escsape each bootup and chose the media
[23:19] <TheChampion> my computer boots up the live disc and shows it on my tv, but as soon as ubuntu loads my tv rejects showing it
[23:19] <belkinsa> Does anyone know how to fix totem so it can play streams on internet radio and TV sites?
[23:19] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: also attention seeking sometimes works, but  you shoudn't really,  and people will useually reply to your support issue, if they think they can help
[23:20] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: be patient, ask the question again after a while, if no reply or no proper reply :)
[23:20] <visitor2> but dont I want to avoid things that wear out the flash media?
[23:20] <TheChampion> yeah sorry, ive just been out of a computer for a month, and got an idea to try using ubuntu and my tv to fix my computer, but after four hours it isn't working
[23:20] <belkinsa> The: Check the forums at ubuntuforums.org
[23:20] <TheChampion> alright thanks
[23:20] <Jordan_U> belkinsa: Did you try opening the stream in totem proper rather than the brower plugin? The automagic codec installation doesn
[23:21] <Jordan_U> belkinsa: ... doesn't work with the browser plugin.
[23:21] <Slart> TheChampion: you can check the xorg log file to see if it's having problems with resolutions and such.. it's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:21] <visitor2> Jordan_U: If I understood you right that would mean to create a live usb pendrive and use it to install as if to the hard drive but just choose the appropriate device?
[23:21] <TheChampion> im completely new to linux, i have no clue how to do that lol
[23:21] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: can you see Ubuntu right now?
[23:21] <TheChampion> for the few seconds that my monitor allows it before dying
[23:22] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: right so what Slart said won't be of much help
[23:22] <TheChampion> sometimes it will let me use the computer monitor for a few minutes though
[23:22] <TheChampion> explain in case i get lucky please?
[23:22] <Slart> TheChampion:  open a terminal and write   gedit /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. oh wait.. you haven't got a monitor.. ouch
[23:22] <visitor2> Jordan_U: is that right?
[23:22] <kizi86> hi folkz, i have a little problem, somehow when i restarted my computer after a kernel upgrade, my default session got stuck as xterm, and if i type exit, it goes back to the login screen, but the screen resolution is just 320x240 and i can't see the window where to enter my password in....
[23:22] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: I know they aren't exactly cheap, but better to use a real monitor instead of a TV :)
[23:22] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: as your screen
[23:23] <visitor2> I am used to knoppix where you have a live usb/sd + persistance
[23:23] <TheChampion> i dont have the money to buy a replacement atm :|
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[23:23] <visitor2> you can't do it the knoppix way with ubuntu Jordan_U ?
[23:23] <Slart> TheChampion: the tv doesn't work with the live cd either? same kind of error?
[23:23] <kevr> psi-jack, stfu
[23:23] <Slart> !troll
[23:23] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: right, but your on some other computer at the moment?
[23:24] <TheChampion> ya the tv shows the windows bios etc but when it loads the live cd the tv just loses the signal
[23:24] <Jordan_U> visitor2: You can, I just think that it's inferior if you want to use the installation long term.
[23:24] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  im on my sisters laptop atm, but i dont have the required cables to use this one as a second monitor
[23:24] <visitor2> Jordan_U: why is that?
[23:24] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: the Windows BIOS?  no a BIOS is for the motherboard of the computer, not an OS
[23:24] <TheChampion> i guess buying them would be my next step
[23:24] <slabby> Hi. I am running 10.04 on my laptop. Sometimes (I have not worked out the pattern yet) the 'Power Information' notification sticks on the screen. Currently I have it on my screen and it keeps fading out then flashing back in again. How can I clear all notifications?
[23:24] <kevr> sebsebseb: ty.
[23:24] <kevr> i was about to cry
[23:24] <sebsebseb> kevr: oh uhmm?
[23:24] <visitor2> I have used knoppix that way for more than 5 years at a time
[23:24] <TheChampion> well sebsebseb  the computer loading screen itself, and then the option to boot from cd
[23:24] <benkevan> jtanner: hi.. i see you
[23:25] <jtanner> benkevan, these are not the channels you are looking for
[23:25] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: got Windows on there as well?
[23:25] <wildbat> "configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries." which package(s) do i need to install ?
[23:25] <TheChampion> ya it was my default os
[23:25] <idefixx> TheChampion: does you monior die regardless of resolution and such? if not try hitting crtl-alt-F1 when you see the desktop that should bring up the console and also lower the resolution in case that helps your monitor.
[23:25] <kizi86> does any1 have a clue as how to fix this problem?
[23:25] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: ok and if you try to use the TV with Windows, what happens?
[23:25] <TheChampion> it works fine
[23:26] <TheChampion> idefixx:  is there a way to change my resolution without actually being in windows? because i cant go past the windows load screen because the files are corrupt, so im stuck using bios/setup
[23:26] <suicidepills> when i go to administration > shared folders and create a new share, "samba" doesn't appear as an option in the "share through" drop-down.  Does anyone know why that might be?
[23:26] <Jordan_U> visitor2: There are certain things that you can't upgrade in a "persistent" install, like the kernel. So if you want to do a major upgrade in the future you'll have to re-install from scratch, and even between major upgrades you don't get security fixes for the kernel.
[23:26] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: if your Windows install is currupt, maybe you should re install
[23:26] <TheChampion> it wont even let me reinstall
[23:26] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: altough now I think I understand why you tried Ubuntu
[23:26] <TheChampion> well at least someone understands lol
[23:26] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: won't let you re install why?
[23:27] <kevr> suicidepills: Go to your Windows PC, then, put in your Windows CD, then let it load up. Following this, press D, then Enter to make sure. After this, power off your computer.
[23:27] <TheChampion> it freezes up
[23:27] <kevr> problem solved.
[23:27] <idefixx> TheChampion: like i said on linux switching to the console usually lowers the resolution on windows you can boot to vga modus depending on your installed os (xp/vista/7)
[23:27] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: Blue Screen of death?
[23:27] <TheChampion> no it just starts loading the "required components" to run windows from the cd, and then hangs
[23:27] <TheChampion> at "starting windows"
[23:27] <kevr> TheChampion: do you have a SATA HDD?
[23:27] <visitor2> aha Jordan_U . Knoppix by default doesn't have logins so may be slightly less vulnerable in general. but you make an excellent point
[23:28] <TheChampion> i believe so :
[23:28] <kevr> TheChampion: You may need the SATA drivers from your mobo website, and pre-load them
[23:28] <suicidepills> kevr, really?
[23:28] <idefixx> TheChampion: pressing F8 when the computer starts shows you the boot menu (windows) but since this is a linux chan I guess that is kinda off topic
[23:28] <kevr> with a floppy, or a cd
[23:28] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: Ubuntu is  an alright OS, but  configuring hardware can be a right pain
[23:28] <kevr> windows xp doesn't load them
[23:28] <ClevelandRock> Can someone help me get the microphone on my headset to work? This is my headset: http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/computer/gaming-headsets/gamecom-367
[23:28] <kevr> by default
[23:28] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: and if you can't even have the Live CD booted for long enough, uhmm
[23:28] <TheChampion> bleh i guess id be better off buyiing a cable to use this laptop as a monitor until i can get this sorted out
[23:29] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: yeah that sounds good to me
[23:29] <earthen> ClevelandRock, I don't think you can I have the same head set and can only manage to get the speakers to work
[23:29] <visitor2> Jordan_U: which ubuntu do you think wouldbe best for that.  I also want to make these cards for others who are new to linux
[23:29] <suicidepills> kevr, the problem that I'm having is with an ubuntu machine though...
[23:29] <visitor2> that is the reason for using ubuntu
[23:29] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: also you should maybe re install WIndows, or get rid of it completly :D
[23:29] <idefixx> TheChampion: also in case you have no clue what I'm talking about and when to press F8 ... keep hitting it until you see the boot menu and from there on you can choose vga mode which boots to a lower res... anyways google is your friend thats a common problem
[23:29] <kevr> suicidepills: sounds like its a problem with samba
[23:29]  * kevr snoozes
[23:29] <Jordan_U> visitor2: How large are the cards?
[23:29] <visitor2> 8g
[23:29] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: however you may not get much luck with configuring Ubuntu to use TV monitor, depends really on the hardware and who can help you
[23:29] <TheChampion> idefixx:  thanks ill try that
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[23:30] <visitor2> at least that is what I intend to buy
[23:30] <ClevelandRock> @earthen I may have screwed up my alsamixer settings or something. Maybe.
[23:30] <kevr> amixer>alsamixer
[23:30] <suicidepills> kevr, the strange thing is that I can share things via samba by editing the smb.conf manually.  i'd like to be able to do it through the ui though
[23:30] <TheChampion> sebsebseb: i cant get rid of windows or get rid of it completely though lol, unless there is a way to completely wipe my hd?
[23:30] <earthen> ClevelandRock, ho sorry i clicked on another link I have the bluetooth version of that head set sorry
[23:30] <kevr> suicidepills: sorry bud, i dont have any idea what to do. I have had no windows computers in my house for a good while.
[23:31] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: yes there is,  but realistically there may be a good enough reason to have Windows on there,  hence why I suggest maybe doing a clean install
[23:31] <Ego_Proctor> co
[23:31] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: I mean if Windows isn't working properly, you have a problem to sort out
[23:31] <earthen> ClevelandRock, so yours should work i think
[23:31] <ClevelandRock> @earthen What do you mean/
[23:31] <ClevelandRock> ^?
[23:31] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: Ubuntu isn't always the magic solution to  Windows problems
[23:31] <idefixx> kevr: you can use samaba without windows you know ;)
[23:31] <suicidepills> kevr, how do you prefer to share files?
[23:31] <Juniksz> Hello! When I login a TTY interface, and then i've entering the "exit" command (or just press Ctrl + D), it appears I logged out. Then when I wanna shutdown the system from the X, it didn't halt the system, because it says there is a TTY login. Why?
[23:32] <earthen> ClevelandRock, i thought i had the same headset as you but mine is Bluetooth
[23:32] <visitor2> Jordan_U: I will have to do everything for them, presumably with scripts unless they have me ssh in (or nx)
[23:32] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  i know, but i cant even access windows is my problem, my files are so corrupted i cant even get it to load, is there a way to wipe your hd from bios?
[23:32] <ClevelandRock> earthen: But what do you mean mine should work? Like I said, I think I screwed up the alsamixer settings or something.
[23:32] <earthen> ClevelandRock,  your connects via wires doesn't it
[23:32] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: no, but there are bootable CD's that can do it, such as The Ultimate Boot CD
[23:32] <ClevelandRock> earthen: Yes.
[23:32] <visitor2> Jordan_U: or when we are in the same city, do it live -- not likely
[23:32] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: also maybe you have a virus on Windows or something, that is making it freeze
[23:33] <Jordan_U> visitor2: I'd go with standard Ubuntu then.
[23:33] <kevr> suicidepills: ssh and rsync
[23:33] <chris_> sebsebseb: or dban.
[23:33] <sebsebseb> chris_: yes, which is also on that CD
[23:33] <visitor2> the most recent?
[23:33] <earthen> ClevelandRock, I mean you should be able to get yours to work since it is wired
[23:33] <chris_> sebsebseb: hm, afaik wasn't UBCD proprietary?
[23:33] <suicidepills> kevr, do you use any UI for that or do you go all cmd?
[23:33] <chris_> or am i thinking of something elese
[23:33] <visitor2> I will install and set up all sorts of stuff for them before sending them the cards
[23:33] <chris_> oh wait, i'm thinking of ERD, never mind
[23:33] <ClevelandRock> earthen: But, again, I think I screwed up my alsamixer settings or something.
[23:33] <kevr> suicidepills: all cmd, but there are UIs
[23:33] <sebsebseb> chris_: however last time I  cleaned  a hard disk, the other computers,  I ended up using some other program, since dban was being odd, dban itself, but also on the CD
[23:33] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  maybe :|, but i cant even get into safe mode to clean it, ill look up that ultimate boot cd
[23:34] <sebsebseb> chris_: no its freeware or something
[23:34] <chris_> sebsebseb: yeah, was thinking of ERDBC
[23:34] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: have you got data on there?
[23:34] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: I mean thats a CD that can be used to get rid of everything on the hard disk
[23:34] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  nothing i cant do without, is this the site for it btw? http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[23:34] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: yeah
[23:34] <suicidepills> kevr, cool i'll check that out.  i'll need samba in the meantime 'cause i have a bunch of windows computers on my network but i can get by with editing the smb.conf manually
[23:34] <earthen> ClevelandRock, OK I'm not sure if i can help you there sorry
[23:34] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  thanks ill try that
[23:34] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: then put Windows on first
[23:34] <Shadowsong> Hello
[23:34] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: well if your going ot have Windows on dual boot
[23:35] <visitor2> Jordan_U: i haven't tried the latest ubuntu yet, would you recommend that for them?
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> TheChampion: remember to partition windows to a portion of the space available
[23:35] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: and then you can dual boot with Ubuntu as well a bit later on
[23:35] <alket> I was at gimp channel but no one replied, how can I transform black color to blue ?
[23:35] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  ya ill do windows first since i cant get ubuntu to recognize my tv
[23:35] <visitor2> one child one adult computer-phobic person and a normal adult Jordan_U
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> Technoviking: rather than using the default 100%, this will save you having to mess with resizing
[23:35] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: and if there are still problems after using that CD, to clean out your hard disk, with Windows,  well  you got hardware issues I guess
[23:36] <Jordan_U> visitor2: Yes. In fact I would highly discourage using anything older for this purpose.
[23:36] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  time to try that ultimate boot cd, thanks for the help
[23:36] <visitor2> Jordan_U: and me
[23:36] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: well yes thats one reason, another is this, if you were to do Ubuntu first then put WIndows on,  Windows would go over the Grub bootloader, so only Windows can boot up
[23:36] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: and re  configuring the bootloader can be a right pain
[23:36] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  that would be bad haha
[23:36] <Jordan_U> visitor2: Plus, with the newest Ubuntu you won't have to make excuses for it being brown :)
[23:36] <Shadowsong> I've been reading various sites on web hosting servers. I've been wondering why they always tell you that you "have to" install a dns server?
[23:37] <visitor2> ok, so make a live usb to install from and create standard installs on the sd and usb cards
[23:37] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: anyway three hard disk cleaning tools on that CD you can try
[23:37] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: I think only three
[23:37] <visitor2> Jordan_U: excellent point, especially for the child who would hate it
[23:37] <suicidepills> if i wanted to talk to the devs of share-admin, how could i do that?  is there a dev channel or a dev forum?
[23:37] <visitor2> is it true that hald is gone?
[23:37]  * sebsebseb likes the old brown human-clearlooks theme, the one before 9.10 :)
[23:37] <sebsebseb> visitor2: yes no HAL in 10.04
[23:38] <visitor2> and that you have to use pulseaudio
[23:38] <chris_> hm
[23:38] <chris_> is there any way to get apt-get to ignore hash sum mismatches?
[23:38] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  alright thanks
[23:38] <visitor2> how dreadful
[23:38] <Shadowsong> anyone know?
[23:38] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: sometimes you need to use a CD such as the one I mentioned
[23:38] <ActionParsnip> visitor2: you can theme ubuntu as you wish, default means very little
[23:38] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: since  virsues in Windows and such, can cause issues when it comes to re installing
[23:39] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: for example  it seems we had one on our family computer  not that long ago,  and  the XP CD was even blue screen of deathing. and trying to boot XP gave a right error message, and so on
[23:39] <visitor2> ActionParsnip: yes but this is for others who don't know how to and I would get blamed for the choices.  It the defaults I can blame it on someone else.
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> Shadowsong: sounds weird, I'd just go alog with it
[23:39] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: and data disappared whilst using The Ultimate Boot CD for Windows.   anyway good luck
[23:39] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  luckily i dont think its a virus though, rather my monitor was constantly going out during start up, so id reboot during startup in hopes my monitor would start working again
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> visitor2: i guess, but users need to realise they can chnage stuff
[23:40] <kashif> hi
[23:40] <devyll> how can I set my external microphone to play through speakers in ubuntu 10.04 ?  (in realtime)
[23:40] <devyll> ?
[23:40] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: well then a normal format using  the Windows or Ubuntu CD would work or whatever
[23:40] <Shadowsong> I just don't get why you would need a dns server for a web hosting server.
[23:40] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: just need a monitor that keeps the image on the screen for long enough
[23:40] <visitor2> ActionParsnip: for the normal adult yes, but the child and computer-phobic adult - no such luck
[23:40] <kashif> can any body help me on bind10 setup
[23:41] <Dulak> Shadowsong: how would domain->ip mapping happen without dns?
[23:41] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: also you haven't been messing around in your BIOS right?  except for maybe changing the boot order.  if so  that could be why you have a probelm
[23:41] <Shadowsong> through the domain you buy from somewhere like godaddy.com
[23:41] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  yeah. is the ubcd for linux? because theres a site for ubcd4windows
[23:41] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  yeah all i did was change the boot order
[23:41] <earthen> gparted is not seeing my USB hard drive does anyone know how to make it see it
[23:42] <visitor2> can anyone tell me why the default is to have Ctrl+Alt+Backspace,  Ctrl+Alt+Fn etc
[23:42] <Dulak> Shadowsong: domain registration is not the same as dns
[23:42] <visitor2> disabled
[23:42] <Shadowsong> buy domain, assign to your ip
[23:42] <visitor2> that seems like insanity
[23:42] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: yes UBCD is a bootable Linux distro with tools on it.  Can use a legal copy of Windows and make own bootable Live CD  with some tools using the other one.
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> earthen: did you change the device in the devices menu? Does the disk show up in: sudo fdisk -l  ?
[23:42] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  oh ok, well im going to try that, so thanks for the help
[23:42] <Dulak> Shadowsong: my registrar charges for dns on top of the domain
[23:42] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: so the OS/s that are on there when it comes to UBCD is irevelivent doesn't matter
[23:43] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: UBCD?
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> ultimate bootcd
[23:43] <Dulak> Shadowsong: the docs you are reading are aimed at isp type setups, if dns is handled you don't need bind
[23:43] <visitor2>  Ctrl+Alt+Backspace,  Ctrl+Alt+Fn etc  are critical if anything goes wrong.  what were people thinking?
[23:43] <BiggFREE> UBCD is done for Windows XP
[23:43] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  ultimate boot cd
[23:44] <BiggFREE> I tried it
[23:44] <sebsebseb> BiggFREE: yes indeed
[23:44] <earthen> ActionParsnip, it doesn't show up in the drop down list in gparted if thats what you mean
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> BiggFREE: how do you mean "done for windows xp"?
[23:44] <TheChampion> so it doesn't matter if i use that one or the windows version?
[23:44] <sebsebseb> will clean out a hard disk and what not, whatever OS/s are on there
[23:44] <BiggFREE> It is not perfect :(
[23:44] <idefixx> kashif: have you got a specific problem with bind or do you want general info? because well you should know a little something about dns/tcp/subneting etc., and its not that difficult to read up on bind if you do.
[23:44] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: the Windows version uhmm
[23:44] <BiggFREE> Only
[23:44] <Jordan_U> visitor2: ctrl+alt+Fn works the same way it always has, as does alt+sysrq+K which is more reliable than ctrl+alt+backspace anyway.
[23:44] <earthen> ActionParsnip, but ubuntu see it. it puts an icon on the desktop and i can brows it just fine
[23:44] <Shadowsong> Dulak, huh?
[23:44] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: well you need to be on Windows for a start, get there program, have your WIndows CD, and make your own UBCD for win using that, takes quite a long while
[23:45] <BiggFREE> Read vcarefully on the web.
[23:45] <TheChampion> oh
[23:45] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: you only need the standard UBCD for what your doing
[23:45] <BiggFREE> carefully
[23:45] <TheChampion> alright ill use that one then, thanks, i was kind of confused
[23:45] <kizi86> hi folkz what is the command to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 in terminal?
[23:45] <Dulak> Shadowsong: I will say that a large majority of providers handle thier own dns though.  It does not look professional to sell hosting where you can't also handle dns
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> TheChampion: just burn the ISO / transfer to USB and boot, you dont need windows at all
[23:45] <TheChampion> gotcha
[23:45] <Shadowsong> why?
[23:45] <prakriti> What script keeps running this: SELECT data_free FROM tables WHERE ENGINE = 'InnoDB' LIMIT 1
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> earthen: does the fdisk output show the disk?
[23:45] <Dulak> Shadowsong: are you wanting to just host your own sites or resell hosting?
[23:45] <Shadowsong> i still don't see a reason to run a dns server
[23:46] <Shadowsong> resell hosting
[23:46] <visitor2> oh Jordan_U they didnt on the last ubuntu I tried.  Of course it isnt hard to get them to work, but I couldn;t understand the reasoning
[23:46] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: maybe the UBCD will stop showing on the TV after a while as well, if so you can't use it at the moment
[23:46] <Dulak> Shadowsong: dns is not the same as registering a domain, it's seperate
[23:46] <kashif> idefixx: when i am doing configure bind 10-devel-20100602
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> Shadowsong: makes name resolution very quick and can speed up the web
[23:47] <Shadowsong> so why do i need a dns server for web hosting?
[23:47] <visitor2> ok off the buy the cards and sticks to do this thanks for the help idefixx and Jordan_U et al
[23:47] <Dulak> Shadowsong: as a provider
[23:47] <kizi86> am i invisible here or?
[23:47] <sebsebseb> kizi86: no
[23:47] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  might as well try, oddly enough my monitor is working fine at the moment
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> Shadowsong: no idea, contact the guide makers and ask them
[23:47] <sebsebseb> kizi86:  well not when you type something anyway
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> kizi86: no, wassup?
[23:47] <Dulak> Shadowsong: so domains will resolve
[23:47] <kizi86> well look up a bit
[23:47] <idefixx> Shadowsong: you don't you can simply enter the hosts ip.. unless you need vhosts
[23:47] <BiggFREE> You can create you ISO UBCD by using Windows XP only.  After booting is possible.
[23:47] <kizi86> i asked a question not long ago
[23:47] <visitor2> I see you kizi86
[23:48] <warewolf> wow
[23:48] <Jordan_U> visitor2: You're welcome. Remember to install grub to the stick and not your hard drive, it's an option from the "advanced" button on the last screen of the installer.
[23:48] <belkinsa> I smell bots...
[23:48] <warewolf> yeah that was damn quick
[23:48] <BiggFREE> From Windows XP only (Setting up first)
[23:48] <earthen> ActionParsnip, what command do i use to list hard drives fdisk -l or something?
[23:48] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: well if your hardware so RAM and such, can handle it.  virtual machineing WIndows inside Ubuntu is well rather :)  for most stuff not 3D WIndows games though.  anyway this is something you may want to do later on
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> BiggFREE: i think you are confusing ultimate boot cd with bart pe
[23:49] <BiggFREE> It is a mess :(
[23:49] <belkinsa> I thought they are working on killing a spam of here?
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> earthen: sudo fdisk -l
[23:49] <idefixx> kashif: was that everything... shouldn't there be something like "... bad things happen" at the end of that sentence?
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> BiggFREE: they are drastically different
[23:49] <Dulak> Shadowsong: I think you need to read up on how dns works.  If you want to sell hosting you will also be running dns for your customers, as that's an expected feature of hosting
[23:49] <kizi86> if you dont see what i wrote i shall write it again, what is the command to upgrade my distro from the terminal? im using 9.10 and want to upgrade to 10.04
[23:49] <BiggFREE> Yes It is Bart pe
[23:49] <BiggFREE> I am talking about.
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> BiggFREE: ultimate boot cd is not bart pe
[23:49] <TheChampion> sebsebseb:  seems like it would take a while to get that working, and im not sure my monitor would last that long
[23:49] <bastid_raZor> kizi86: sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:49] <BiggFREE> Sorry :(999999999999
[23:49] <kizi86> thank you bastid_raZor
[23:50] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: I meant later on when you have a proper monitor or the TV working properly with Ubuntu
[23:50] <wildbat> hmmm, anyone know y i don't have build-dep package available to install ?
[23:50] <earthen> ActionParsnip, looks like it is there
[23:50] <BiggFREE> I misunderstood you
[23:50] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: and it doesn't take long to set up a virtual machine in Virtualbox :)
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> BiggFREE: http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/Ultimate-Boot-CD_1.gif
[23:50] <vock> I'm just trying to load from a LiveCD but when it gets to starting gdm all I get are a bunch of tightly packed beige stripes across the screen. It's on both the 32 and 64 bit Ubuntu LiveCDs. The burns should be good, I used them before yesterday on the same machine
[23:50] <ocatacoo> what is a good program to edit or view binary
[23:50] <TheChampion> ah, maybe once i get this working then, because i would like to start running ubuntu
[23:50] <BiggFREE> Thanks :)
[23:50] <idefixx> ocatacoo: vim ^^
[23:50] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: yeah and dual boots are a bit sucky really
[23:51] <kashif> idefixx: how i do fix this problem
[23:51] <sebsebseb> TheChampion: well depends
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> earthen: ok, if you run:  sudo fdisk /dev/diskname    you can use fdisk to partition it then use  mkfs.* to format it
[23:51] <Shadowsong> grrr
[23:51] <Shadowsong> finally
[23:51] <idefixx> kashif: I don't even know what your problem is since you said nothing that indicated any problem
[23:51] <thune3> vock: do you know what brand of graphics chip you have?
[23:52] <vock> thune3: I believe it's nvidia
[23:52] <earthen> ActionParsnip, I don't want to format it I want to copy a partition for it over to my internal hard drive
[23:52] <Gryllida> is there some system setting that makes keyboard behave as if caps lock is on, while it isn't? so that I have to keep caps lock on to type this sentence
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> earthen: then i'd use partimage
[23:52] <idefixx> kashif: unless maybe my irssi killed the last half of your problem description witch i doubt
[23:52] <earthen> ActionParsnip, I switch out my hard drives in my laptop and I want to save my old win XP partition
[23:53] <Shadowsong> only thing I can see a dns server needed for is for personal use in order to speed up web browsing (useful for slow connections)
[23:53] <earthen> ActionParsnip,  ok I'll try that thanks
[23:53] <vock> thune3: Actually i'm wrong, it's an ATI Radeon Xpress 1150, just googled it
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> Gryllida: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5118295
[23:53] <kashif> idefixx: http://pastie.org/1024226 see last line