[11:01] <calc> was that due to the new fdo menu structure?
[11:02] <Kamion> colleenj: that means the kernel's hung ...
[11:02] <Kamion> badness
[11:02] <colleenj> right in which case it will be the box
[11:02] <colleenj> I'm using an AtoZ small footprint box...  pretty iffy peice of kit.  Thanks for the advice
[11:04] <Kamion> ick, good luck
[11:04] <Kamion> you may be able to work around it somehow; maybe turn off DMA or something
[11:06] <colleenj> Kamion: no they do have a habit of doing this... so far I've gone through 11 of the things
[11:08] <Kamion> colleenj: yow
[11:08] <colleenj> expesnive and not very reliable
[11:18] <cenerentola_> [micheal... are u here?]  does somebody know what kind of gui synaptic [woody's one]  uses?
[11:18] <colleenj> they over heat
[11:18] <colleenj> have cheap caps and some really dodgy SoDimms
[11:19] <Ribs> cenerentola_: 'what kind of gui'?
[11:19] <Ribs> you mean, gtk?
[11:19] <Kinnison> cenerentola_: gtk 1 IIRC
[11:19] <Ribs> it looks gtk2, to me
[11:19] <Kinnison> Ribs: in woody?
[11:19] <Ribs> oh, duh
[11:19] <cenerentola_> i think the toolkit
[11:20] <Ribs> didn't even see that bit
[11:20] <sherman> small thing
[11:20] <cenerentola_> that what had been used
[11:20] <Ribs> In ubuntu, it's gtk2 :)
[11:20] <Kinnison> indeed
[11:20] <sherman> is there any sort of sleep mode in ubuntu?
[11:20] <cenerentola_> ok thx
[11:20] <Kinnison> sherman: warty + mjg59's kernel/acpi support stuff can do it
[11:21] <Kinnison> sherman: otherwise you have to wait for hoary
[11:21] <sherman> k
[11:21] <sherman> guess it's time to invest in some quieter fans then
[11:21] <Ribs> heh
[11:34] <Garathor> Hi. I installed Ubuntu yesterday, trying to make dual boot with Windows XP. But if i choose Windows XP in GRUB, it won't boot. I get the errormessage "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7".
[11:37] <Garathor> Any suggestions on what could be wrong?
[11:44] <colleenj> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2000-11/msg00149.html
[11:44] <colleenj> you may have to set "Use rootnoverify instead of root" within your grub config file
[11:45] <Kamion> that sounds like it just suppresses a warning, not an error ...
[11:45] <colleenj> it seems to be a common problem
[11:45] <colleenj> certainly google is full of helpful hints and tips
[11:45] <Kamion> although I may be wrong here
[11:46] <Garathor> Yes, i've had a look
[11:46] <colleenj> Garathor: do you see something like "chainload +1" being reported directly after the "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" ?
[11:46] <Garathor> yes
[11:47] <colleenj> and how big is your HDD?
[11:47] <Garathor> or, before "chainloader + 1" i get "savedefault" and "makeactive"
[11:47] <Garathor> 160GB
[11:47] <Garathor> It is a SATA drive, if that matters.
[11:48] <colleenj> Garathor: have a look at this web page - especially the comment by cloud...
[11:48] <colleenj> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-21509.html
[11:48] <colleenj> btw apologies if I break in channel etiquette with posting of links
[11:48] <Kamion> on-topic links are fine
[11:51] <colleenj> Garathor: but before you do just see if this would work:
[11:51] <colleenj> "Check grub.conf if that is the rootnoverify(hdx,x) your grub.conf is set to boot into windows. if not. Change it to the one you have found out with fdisk."
[11:52] <Lathiat> daniels: about?
[11:53] <daniels> Lathiat: spu
[11:53] <daniels> sup, also
[11:53] <Garathor> Where is the grub.conf?
[11:53] <Lathiat> daniels: :)
[11:53] <Lathiat> daniels: just wondering how the nvidia/ati drivers compare performance wise
[11:53] <stuNNed> Garathor, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:53] <daniels> Lathiat: don't know
[11:53] <Lathiat> daniels: cus i looked at a benchmark between the two cards and the ati doubles it in nearly every one :(
[11:54] <daniels> Lathiat: a) i don't own nvidia hardware, b) i haven't had the time to get to play many games lately, c) my card is a radeon 8500, so I don't know about performance on newer stuff, d) meh
[11:54] <Garathor> root            (hd1,1)
[11:54] <Lathiat> daniels: heh ok :)
[11:54] <Lathiat> daniels: cheers
[11:55] <Lathiat> daniels: coming to lca next year?
[11:55] <Simira> Talliesin: Hanne?
[11:55] <daniels> Lathiat: i hope so, since I'm apparently talking there
[11:56] <Talliesin> Simira, ?
[11:56] <Lathiat> daniels: oh cool
[11:56] <Lathiat> daniels: whatcha talking on?
[11:57] <Garathor> In that thread it is suggested that there is something wrong with the windows-partition, and that resizing it would fix it?
[11:57] <daniels> fd.o
[11:57] <Simira> Talliesin: sorry, thought you were someone else
[11:58] <Talliesin> ah. k.
[11:58] <cryptomatt> hey there.. is there any specific way of installing netbeans on ubuntu??
[11:59] <cryptomatt> anyone tried installing netbeans??
[12:00] <Blaamann> Donwload it from SUN and try it
[12:01] <Blaamann> You can download both java and netbeans together from sun in one bundle
[12:01] <cryptomatt> blaamann: well i got java installed
[12:01] <cryptomatt> blaamann: getting netbeans separetly.. it comes in a bin file
[12:02] <Blaamann> I install Netbeans all the time at different boxes and it works all the time
[12:02] <Blaamann> Let me take a look at my installation here.
[12:02] <Blaamann> Where di you get the bin file ?
[12:02] <cryptomatt> blaamann: netbeans.org
[12:03] <Blaamann> Have you trid to run it ?
[12:03] <cryptomatt> blaamann: well... i have multiple oses on my machine
[12:04] <cryptomatt> blaamann: i have downloaded and installed netbeans through yoper
[12:04] <cryptomatt> blaamann: now i am in ubuntu and try to run the netbeans.sh script.. says bad interpreter
[12:05] <cryptomatt> blaamann: do i have to specifically download and install it within ubuntu?
[12:06] <Blaamann> I would have donwloaded it again in Ubuntu.  I ment "no, rape".
[12:11] <colleenj> kill -15 is supposedly slightly more elegant - since a kill -9 can panic a box (althuogh this might just be AIX)
[12:12] <mjr> well, -9 is a bit naughty and should only be used as a last resort, but really, it shouldn't panic anything
[12:13] <colleenj> must be AIX then - curse IBM:)
[12:14] <Blaamann> I installed Ubuntu for the first yesterday, and I wonder what are your feelings about using the sudo command all the time ?
[12:15] <scoon> Blaamann, i don't.  I set up a root account.
[12:15] <Tomcat_> I usually use a root bash.
[12:15] <Blaamann> Have all you guys a root account ?
[12:16] <Tomcat_> Yes, but not on the Ubuntu machine.
[12:16] <crimsun> I do only because it's a hold-over from Sid.
[12:17] <lifeless> sudo bash
[12:17] <lifeless> :)
[12:17] <Blaamann> I have been using different linux/unix systems for 6 years now, but are a little bit confused regarding wether this is a good solution.
[12:18] <scoon> Blaamann, I too have been using linux for that long and I feel that I am careful enough
[12:18] <Kinnison> sudo -s -H
[12:18] <crimsun> I agree w/ using sudo by default for Ubuntu.
[12:18] <scoon> Blaamann, I think it is a great idea to keep newer users out of trouble.
[12:18] <crimsun> If one is annoyed by it, configuring a root account is simple enough.
[12:19] <crimsun> I've always liked its audit trail (provided one sticks to it and not `sudo /bin/sh').
[12:25] <b00gie> hello
[12:25] <davmor2> boogie lo
[12:26] <b00gie> ehm gnome home,computer,filesystem icons disappeard with the latest hoary updates.. :/
[12:26] <lupus_> has someone backported gaim 1.1.0 to warty?
[12:27] <lupus_> and firefox?
[12:28] <xare> Hi do you know how long do shipped CDs take to arrive destination inside Europe
[12:28] <xare> ?
[12:29] <mjr> I don't know, but I haven't gotten mine yet
[12:29] <Lathiat> xare: If you read the FAQ, delivery times can not be guaranteed, nor does canonical have any more information other than the time it began production, which is provided if you login to shipit
[12:29] <xare> thanks
[12:29] <xare> something else I found some mistakes in the basque language translation
[12:30] <Lathiat> xare: For which application?
[12:30] <xare> How can I contribute to get them fixed?
[12:30] <xare> in gnome
[12:30] <xare> in the installation
[12:30] <Lathiat> which part of gnome?
[12:30] <xare> Is there a group working on that?
[12:30] <xare> I do not remember exactly where I met these mistakes
[12:30] <Lathiat> there are different groups for different things, if you can tell me where specifically i can help point you in the right direction
[12:30] <Lathiat> but the whole gnome desktop has a translation team
[12:31] <Lathiat> but it doesn't include all the applications (but it includes some of them)
[12:31] <Lathiat> look on gnome.org, should have information
[12:31] <xare> But have you got any contact with the basque language translation group?
[12:31] <Lathiat> as for the installation, i'm not sure where to look for that, have a look on the ubuntu dite ?
[12:31] <xare> I could forward bugs to them
[12:31] <xare> ok thanks...
[12:31] <Lathiat> xare: well theres not a group for basque so much (well, there might be) - but if you read on gnome.org you can get information on helping translations
[12:33] <Kamion> xare: by the end of the conference we should have tools to let you help with this
[12:35] <b00gie> is there any way to use original gnome translations?
[12:37] <Kamion> b00gie: uh ... we do?
[12:37] <Kamion> when available
[12:38] <b00gie> when they are ported to ubuntu? :/
[12:38] <Kamion> they're already part of our packages
[12:38] <Kamion> we don't necessarily have translations for the strings we've changed though
[12:39] <b00gie> no its ok but i cant find greek translations
[12:39] <Kamion> I tested Greek installations in Warty; I got GNOME with Greek translations
[12:40] <Kamion> not the Computer menu, since that's an Ubuntu-specific thing
[12:40] <b00gie> okz
[12:41] <xare> And is there any chance of participating in the conf. or is it too late to susbcribe?
[12:41] <xare> I might go next week
[12:41] <xare> I do not live far
[12:42] <Kinnison> Sure, come along
[12:44] <bob2> just rock up
[12:54] <xare> Hi sorry for the delay
[12:54] <xare> thanks for inviting
[12:54] <xare> Just that I am a user
[12:54] <xare> who knows basics on shell programming but little more
[12:54] <xare> I am learning every day
[12:55] <xare> and the level may to too advanced for me
[12:55] <bob2> well, you can check out the agenda on the wiki and see if there's anything you're niteresting in hearing about
[12:55] <bob2> or contributing to
[12:56] <iz> bob2, why is there not any live streaming from Spain? :)
[12:57] <bob2> heh, think we might be doing that on saturday
[12:57] <iz> cewl
[12:57] <bob2> most of it's just people sitting around and hacking, tho, so not very interesting to watch :)
[12:57] <iz> i know
[12:57] <iz> i saw some nice pictures
[12:58] <koke> hi all
[01:00] <Treenaks> we're now live streaming IRC from Spain ;)
[01:00] <Simira> are we?
[01:01] <iz> Treenaks, lol :)
[01:01] <huwr> Is there any way to check to see if my CDs have been shipped if I ordered them after 12th Nov?
[01:02] <Treenaks> Simira: you're here too right?
[01:02] <bob2> huwr: you can login to the shipit site and see
[01:02] <Simira> Treenaks: yup
[01:02] <topyli> Treenaks: your irc stream is constantly interrupted by hackers around the world though
[01:02] <huwr> bob2, hrm... you certain?
[01:03] <Treenaks> topyli: it's two-way ;)
[01:03] <bob2> huwr: to see if it's been dispatched? yes.
[01:03] <topyli> Treenaks: yeah, very advanced :)
[01:03] <jo> Hello, I have a question concerning Ubuntu and hackers :-) I'm still missing some stuff in Ubuntu that makes Debian a great hacker's workstation. Stuff like Mono for example. Will this be improved with Hoary? I'm curious, which one (Debian or Ubuntu) do the Canonical employees use for their daily hacking?
[01:03] <huwr> bob2, do you mean that I have to enter my 'Token'?
[01:03] <iz> jo mono is on the list
[01:04] <crimsun> jo: mono* are in hoary's universe
[01:05] <huwr> urk...
[01:06] <pland> hello people
[01:06] <iz> ola pland
[01:06] <huwr> Shit, bob2, I don't know what you mean. I think I just ordered another 20 CDs.
[01:06] <jo> iz, crimsun: OK I'll try the universe repositories. I spent quite some time yesterday to install a new Debian unstable system. After basic install, I tried to use udev/hal and alsa instead of oss. Couldn't get alsa to work properly. It's nice to see this stuff pre-configured in Ubuntu. Unfortunately I'm still quite reluctant to completely switch, since I'm not sure how my programming needs are supported by Ubuntu...
[01:06] <shawn> is anyone else having problems with the latest nvidia drivers causing opengl programs to segfault?
[01:07] <bob2> huwr: eh? login.  if you don't have your token, ask for a new password
[01:07] <pland> trying to make a fresh ubuntu box's apache be seen from outside world. nightmare with linksys wifi box attached to adsl box. one's class a the other class b. port forwarding from zoombox just not working...argh
[01:07] <huwr> hrm...
[01:07] <huwr> lame.
[01:07] <bob2> huwr: how so?
[01:07] <huwr> I hope I can cancel these things, I just made a huge mistake.
[01:08] <huwr> lame on my part that is.
[01:08] <bob2> huwr: ah
[01:08] <bob2> huwr: if you can't cancel using the webform, email mako@canonical and explain what you want to happen
[01:08] <Simira> is lunch up yet? You people downstairs?
[01:08] <huwr> canonical.com, you mean?
[01:08] <bob2> huwr: yeah
[01:08] <huwr> k
[01:08] <iz> Simira, tapa's?
[01:09] <bob2> sandwiches!
[01:09] <alexis|awy> coucou
[01:09] <iz> oh nice
[01:09] <Simira> *fetches lunch*
[01:09] <cef> hrm, I wonder where my cd's are
[01:10] <pland> where would you guys look for routing help? what irc channels? not having much luck looking...
[01:10] <cef> actually, even better question.. where did I send the cd's? eek!
[01:10] <huwr> heh
[01:11] <huwr> cef, I'm still not sure what this 'token' thing is that I am using.
[01:12] <douglas> hi people !
[01:13] <huwr> I'm not sure I am doing this right.
[01:13] <douglas> i got pretty happy to know about ubuntu
[01:13] <huwr> Every time I try to update my info, I think it sends me 10 more CDs... :\
[01:13] <douglas> and i wish the best to this new distro
[01:13] <douglas> i saw on the wiki something about the python team
[01:13] <douglas> how to join it ?
[01:14] <huwr> urk, all I wanted to do was update my phone number...
[01:14] <bob2> huwr: email mako
[01:14] <huwr> I think I might.
[01:14] <huwr> hrm... I'm not sure mako will take kindly to me, though.
[01:15] <bob2> why?
[01:15] <Liz> can anyone tell me how to move my taskbar please..i moved it from the top to the side, and now i cant move it back..
[01:16] <Liz> cant resize it
[01:16] <Liz> cant move it
[01:17] <huwr> "Hi, I'm some idiot who accidentally ordered 20 CDs while trying to check on the status of my shipments.  Mind giving me a hand?"
[01:17] <huwr> I'm sure I'll sound most lovely. I'll try it anyway...
[01:17] <bob2> mako loves each and every ubuntu users
[01:17] <huwr> Like Santa Claus?
[01:17] <bob2> Liz: try middle clicking on it
[01:18] <Liz> ahh..there it goes
[01:18] <Liz> thanks
[01:19] <douglas> ubuntu have the same packages from debian ?
[01:19] <douglas> im newbie here
[01:19] <douglas> but want to change from slackware to ubuntu most because python
[01:19] <huwr> douglas, I believe so...
[01:20] <douglas> ok
[01:21] <bob2> it's the same format
[01:21] <bob2> it's highly recommended that you don't mix them
[01:23] <huwr> is mako male or female, by the way?
[01:24] <spiv> Male.
[01:24] <huwr> Ah.
[01:24] <huwr> Yes. Being called Ben, one would assume so.
[01:24] <Treenaks> yeah, the beard kind of gives that away too
[01:24] <huwr> heh
[01:24] <douglas> by the way
[01:24] <douglas> who is mako ?
[01:24] <huwr> Treenaks, unless he is a dwarf.
[01:25] <huwr> douglas, the guy who is going to (well, hopefully going to) help me with my order queries.
[01:25] <Kinnison> mjg59: ping?
[01:26] <douglas> okz :)
[01:26] <mjg59> kingsley_: Hi
[01:30] <mjg59> Kinnison: Hi
[01:30] <mjg59> (bloody tab complete)
[01:35] <Kinnison> mjg59: I'm working with cenerentola to see about PM stuff on a tosh satellite M30-154
[01:36] <Kinnison> It's a nvidia crock
[01:36] <douglas> ah
[01:43] <catdog> mjg59 around?
[01:43] <mjg59> Kinnison: Haha
[01:44] <douglas> is there any brazilian portuguese project on ubuntu ?
[01:44] <mjg59> I'll be playing with an Nvidia Toshiba tomorrow
[01:44] <douglas> translations and so on ?
[01:44] <mjg59> Kinnison: What's the issue?
[01:44] <mjg59> catdog: Yup
[01:47] <catdog> mjg59: hi. Was having a few problems with suspend to disk when I wasn't networked (it would just give up sometimes). Setting a static ip seems to have sorted it though.
[01:48] <mjg59> catdog: Unf. Yes, it tries to take the interface down, which involves it sending DHCP-releases
[01:48] <mjg59> Hm. Need to try to work out a way around that.
[01:49] <crevette> Hello
[01:49] <Kinnison> mjg59: no /sys/power/disk is one
[01:50] <crevette> I found a bug that happen during warty installation
[01:50] <Kinnison> mjg59: need to use the nv driver which doesn't drive the screen at the higher resolutions proper
[01:50] <Kinnison> mjg59: and various other bits which I'll relate after I've rebooted
[01:50] <crevette> against which component can I openthe bug report ?
[01:50] <mjg59> Kinnison: No /sys/power/disk ?
[01:51] <Kinnison> indeed
[01:51] <lamont_r> crevette: what's the bug?
[01:51] <Kinnison> I'll get you a pile of diagnostics when I've rebooted
[01:51] <crevette> lamont_r: I enter a fqdn for my system during that install
[01:52] <lamont_r> and?
[01:52] <crevette> and after I saw that in the file /etc/mailname, the name of my system was hostname.dn.dn
[01:53] <lamont_r> what's in /etc/hostname?
[01:53] <crevette> lamont_r: no, in hostname it t is just the hostname only
[01:54] <crevette> s/no, in hostname it t/there/
[01:54] <lamont_r> base config in ubuntu's bts
[01:55] <crevette> thanks lamont_r
[01:55] <Kamion> don't do that then :-)
[01:56] <Kamion> er, if you type in an fqdn netcfg should reject it hard
[01:56] <lamont_r> crevette: it tells you to type it in without the domain component...
[01:56] <Kamion> oh, no, the text just LIES
[01:59] <crevette> lamont_r: so where can I give the domain name ?
[01:59] <crevette> the installer didn't request it ?
[02:00] <Kamion> it's asked at a lower priority 'cos I lost that argument
[02:04] <wood1> Hi to all
[02:04] <wood1> Is there an Expert in MySQL somewhere in this room ?
[02:05] <wood1> Amaranth, how are you ?
[02:05] <wood1> bob2 ?
[02:05] <Amaranth> wood1: try #mysql
[02:05] <wood1> How do I start Mysql in Ubuntu ?
[02:05] <bob2> it starts as soon as you install it
[02:06] <wood1> Well how do I know if it's up or installed in the 1st place ?
[02:06] <bob2> did you install it?
[02:06] <rory__> heh
[02:07] <egli> apitute search mysql should give you a hint
[02:07] <wood1> So to cut the story short, how do I manually start mysql
[02:07] <rory__> typo
[02:07] <egli> s/apitute/aptitude/
[02:07] <rory__> /etc/init.d/mysql start
[02:07] <mjg59> Kinnison: Ping?
[02:08] <wood1> OK MySql is not installed in my system
[02:08] <Kinnison> mjg59: we're gonna get lspci stuffs etc
[02:08] <wood1> How do I install it MySql in Ubuntu using: apt-get install ?
[02:08] <Kinnison> mjg59: meet cenerentola
[02:08] <mjg59> Kinnison: Still no /sys/power/disk ?
[02:08] <Kinnison> cenerentola: give mjg59 things like dmesg and lspci output
[02:09] <bob2> wood1: the short story is you don't need to manually start it
[02:09] <bob2> wood1: the name of the package is mysql-server
[02:09] <wood1> Thanks bob2
[02:10] <wood1> It's now installing
[02:10] <mjg59> Kinnison: There should be no situation in which /sys/power/disk doesn't exist, except for the wrong kernel being used
[02:10] <wood1> Where will Ubuntu be without you guys out in this chatroom ?
[02:10] <wood1> Thumbs Up to all
[02:10] <Kinnison> mjg59: I'm only saying what I see
[02:11] <Ng> I have no /sys/power/disk if that means anything ;)
[02:11] <mjg59> Kinnison: What's /proc/version ?
[02:11] <Kinnison> mjg59: He has rebooted into <IP_ADDRESS> so he can have nvidia so he can read his screen
[02:11] <mjg59> Kinnison: Uh. There's a linux-restricted-modules deb alongside my kernel one
[02:12] <Kinnison> mjg59: and it gives "invalid format" or something
[02:12] <mjg59> How weird
[02:12] <Kinnison> mjg59: when you modprobe nvidia
[02:12] <mjg59> Ok.  You've probably got the hoary 2.6.9 kernel, not mine
[02:15] <Kinnison> they downloaded from your site
[02:16] <Kinnison> apparently
[02:16] <Kinnison> although we can check
[02:16] <mjg59> Kinnison: Hoary has a -2 now. Mine's only a -1
[02:16] <mjg59> -3 has all the sweet, sweet crack in it
[02:16] <Kinnison> mjg59: aaah; poopy
[02:16] <Kinnison> mjg59: So we should wait for -3?
[02:16] <mjg59> Yeah. Fabbione's building it now
[02:16] <fabbione> almost done
[02:16] <fabbione> it's linking the modules on the last build on the last arch
[02:16] <fabbione> basically it's done
[02:17] <mjg59> fabbione: The new initrd-tools is in?
[02:17] <Kinnison> fabbione: oooooh
[02:17] <fabbione> mjg59: yup
[02:18] <fabbione> mjg59: 0.1.75ubuntu2
[02:18] <fabbione> and i depend on it
[02:18] <mjg59> Rocking
[02:18] <joshua__> are there any known issues in warty with usb devices?
[02:18] <fabbione>    . Bump dependcy on initrd-tools to >= 0.1.75ubuntu2 to ensure that the
[02:18] <fabbione>       newly generated initrd images will contain the proper init script for
[02:18] <fabbione>       swsusp.
[02:18] <mjg59> I kiss you
[02:18] <Kinnison> fabbione: are your 2.6.9 kernels good wrt. usb storage?
[02:19] <fabbione> Kinnison: -1 was borked. -2 >= are ok
[02:19] <Kinnison> fabbione: Do they install cleanly on warty?
[02:19] <Kinnison> Or do I need hoary initrd-tools?
[02:19] <joshua__> err... sorry, are there any known issues in hoary with usb devices?
[02:19] <fabbione> Kinnison: you need to backport initrd
[02:19] <Kinnison> fabbione: *nod*
[02:19] <fabbione> joshua__: what kernel version?
[02:19] <fabbione> Kinnison: but yeah.. they will install
[02:20] <bob2> joshua__: with 2.6.9-1 kernels, yes
[02:21] <Kinnison> fabbione: You're a babe
[02:21] <fabbione> Kinnison: i am only your babe ;)
[02:22] <douglas> he
[02:22] <joshua__> bob2, whatever kernel version hoary has
[02:22] <fabbione> joshua__: no. be specific... uname -a
[02:22] <colleenj> bbiab - need to reboot
[02:22] <fabbione> there are 2 kernels in hoary atm
[02:22] <fabbione> so we need to know which one you are running
[02:22] <joshua__> fabbione, im not on hoary right now.... i had to install warty to get something working
[02:22] <Kinnison> fabbione: I think my partner might argue with you there :-)
[02:22] <fabbione> Kinnison: ehehhe
[02:23] <bob2> joshua__: depends when you upgraded
[02:23] <joshua__> bob2, its <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[02:23] <joshua__> bob2, thats whats in my /boot on the hoary partition
[02:24] <mjg59> joshua__: That should be fine with USB
[02:24] <fabbione> joshua__: yeah... indeed..
[02:24] <fabbione> that one is ok
[02:24] <fabbione> and 2.6.9 has been fixed
[02:24] <joshua__> well its not completely broken... i can still use certain ones, but those are the ones that had native support...
[02:25] <joshua__> it doesn't detect certain devices
[02:25] <fabbione> that's not a BUG
[02:25] <fabbione> it's a limitation
[02:25] <fabbione> or missing implementation
[02:25] <joshua__> one of which was detected before some update i did in hoary, and one of which works in warty
[02:26] <joshua__> yea, puzzling aint it?
[02:26] <fabbione> the kernel 2.6.8 is the same in warty as in hoary
[02:26] <fabbione> so it's not a kernel problem
[02:26] <fabbione> it must be hotplug or something that has lost these information
[02:27] <joshua__> thats what i was assuming
[02:27] <fabbione> you said kernel... there is an abyss in the middle
[02:27] <joshua__> i never said it was a kernel issue
[02:28] <fabbione> right
[02:28] <tritium> No matter how many times I kill/restart gnome-panel, I get no menus/applets, or anything.
[02:28] <tritium> hoary is a little rougher around the the edges than debian unstable
[02:28] <joshua__> brb
[02:29] <rory__> well its probably broken then
[02:29] <fabbione> tritium: /topic
[02:29] <fabbione> the panel is broken and it will be fixed
[02:29] <fabbione> it's an expected breakage
[02:30] <tritium> fabbione, so I should have a completely blank panel right now?
[02:30] <fabbione> tritium: possibly
[02:30] <tritium> Without apt-listbugs, I don't know how to keep on top of "expected breakage"
[02:31] <fabbione> tritium: you shouldn't be running hoary if you don't want to deal with breakage in general
[02:31] <tritium> fabbione, I don't mind dealing with it.  I'd like to know how to be informed about it.  In debian, apt-listbugs was a lifesaver.
[02:32] <bob2> \/win54
[02:33] <joshua__> fabbione, any ideas on the problem?
[02:33] <tritium> further, I need octave-forge and latex-beamer >= 3.0, so I can't run warty
[02:34] <fabbione> tritium: no, but it's not a kernel problem and that makes me more than happy :-)))
[02:34] <fabbione> ops
[02:34] <fabbione> that was for joshua__
[02:34] <tritium> no problem
[02:37] <fabbione> Uploading via ftp linux-source-2.6.9_2.6.9-3_source.changes: done.
[02:37] <fabbione> Successfully uploaded packages.
[02:37] <fabbione> THERE
[02:37] <fabbione> GET THE CRACK
[02:37] <fabbione> :P
[02:37] <mjg59> Haha
[02:38] <tritium> fabbione, what's the ubuntu way of tracking bugs since apt-listbugs does not work with bugzilla?
[02:38] <fabbione> now.. someone sends me BEER
[02:38] <bob2> it's 1440
[02:38] <bob2> I wonder if the bar is open?
[02:38] <bob2> or is this breakfast time in spain?
[02:38] <fabbione> tritium: nothing like that... we only have bugzilla atm
[02:38] <fabbione> afaik there were some discussions about it
[02:38] <joshua__> its only 0840 here, but considering it is miami im sure the bars are open
[02:38] <fabbione> but hounestly i can't remember the outcome
[02:39] <tritium> Okay.  I'll have to figure out how to browse if efficiently to find the expected breakages.
[02:40] <fabbione> tritium: expected breakage are discussed either on the mailing list (the panel was)
[02:40] <fabbione> or on #ubuntu-devel
[02:40] <tritium> fabbione, Okay, thanks.  I'll subscribe.
[02:40] <joshua__> bah... i can't get my printer to print
[02:41] <huwr> poor joshua__
[02:41] <joshua__> i need these directions
[02:44] <joshua__> bah... ill jsut print em out at school
[02:44] <faxons> joshua__: how is the printer connected? tcp/ip parallel or usb?
[02:44] <joshua__> faxons, usb... its connected and my computer sees it
[02:45] <joshua__> faxons, nevermind... i dont have time to figure it out... my friend is printing for me
[02:45] <joshua__> thanks anyways
[02:45] <adam_> does anyone have cvs dbus .debs?
[02:45] <faxons> joshua__: cool
[02:45] <daniels> adam_: thomboy does
[02:45] <adam_> daniels: how would i get them?
[02:46] <daniels> why do you want them -- beagle?
[02:46] <adam_> yep
[02:47] <daniels> i'll get to doing them for hoary
[02:47] <daniels> give me an hour or so
[02:48] <adam_> thanks
[02:50] <Amaranth> sweet, gnome is using the fd.o menu specification now
[02:50] <Amaranth> it completely changes the menus but for the better
[02:51] <tritium> shoot, I can't reply to my ubuntu mailing list subscriptions since evolution-2.2 is broken (can't authenticate to SMPT server)
[02:51] <tritium> ah, I'll visit the webpage
[02:52] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[02:52] <Amaranth> except that you can't remove things from the menus
[02:52] <Treenaks> tritium: it can
[02:53] <tritium> Treenaks, what can do what?
[02:53] <Treenaks> tritium: you have to re-set the setting though, and not change anything in the same dialog
[02:53] <Treenaks> tritium: evo, auth, smtp
[02:53] <tritium> hmm, seb128 pointed out the bug to me yesterday
[02:53] <tritium> so there's a trick to it?
[02:53] <Treenaks> I can auth just fine with the current hoary version
[02:53] <Treenaks> just open the SMTP auth tab in the account dialog
[02:54] <tritium> Treenaks, I'll give it a try.  Thanks for pointing it out.
[02:54] <Treenaks> and set it the way you want
[02:54] <Treenaks> then press OK, dont change anything else in the dialog
[02:54] <tritium> Treenaks, I need to add a :port# to the end of the server too...
[02:54] <Treenaks> ah ok
[02:54] <Treenaks> that might be b0rken, yes
[02:55] <tritium> okay, but thanks for the tip!
[02:58] <tritium> Treenaks, that's good that it works for you, but I tried it with no luck.
[02:59] <tritium> Thanks again, though.
[03:00] <Simira> someone's mobile is ringing in salon Cristal
[03:00] <bob2> haha
[03:00] <bob2> oh, there you are
[03:00] <Simira> black bag, right by Toshiba laptop
[03:00] <Simira> yep, here I am
[03:01] <Simira> care to sign me?
[03:01] <Simira> I'm leaving before the party :-/
[03:01] <bob2> sure
[03:07] <wood1> Amaranth, can you teach me how to configure a Mail Server ?
[03:07] <Amaranth> nope
[03:07] <wood1> how about you bob2 ?
[03:07] <Amaranth> never done it
[03:07] <Amaranth> wood1: I'm going to have to call a RTFM here.
[03:08] <wood1> Amaranth, Do you have ideas regarding Linux PC Clustering ?
[03:08] <Kamion> these are beginning to sound like homework questions
[03:09] <Synek> ;>
[03:09] <Amaranth> wood1: never done that either
[03:09] <wood1> Ha Ha
[03:09] <Amaranth> there is a linux distro designed for it though
[03:09] <bob2> wood1: there's are pretty advanced topics
[03:09] <Amaranth> a variant of knoppix
[03:09] <Quazion> wood1, i suggest for clustering openmosix i guess openmosix.org
[03:10] <wood1> Well I have got a dozen P II PCs which are lying mostly useless and I really want to run a Linux PC Cluster with those PCs
[03:10] <wood1> What was that?  openmosix
[03:10] <Amaranth> wood1: Unless you have a very specific thing you need to know about one of those topics I'd suggest you RTFM or get paid support from someone. Those could take hours to explain.
[03:10] <Quazion> open mosix is a kernel add on that makes the system function as an SMP machine
[03:11] <Quazion> http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/
[03:11] <wood1> Can I install that with:   apt-get install     ???
[03:11] <Quazion> no idea
[03:11] <Amaranth> uh
[03:12] <wood1> Thanks Quazion for the link
[03:12] <Amaranth> wood1: I really don't think you know what you're getting yourself in to.
[03:12] <wood1> I really have to prove to my system administrator that I am also capable of something good
[03:13] <Synek> buy him a lower ;)
[03:13] <Synek> Mam przerwe na tosty, mowcie do mnie
[03:14] <Synek> ughh, sorry, i mean flower
[03:14] <wood1> Quazion, will 12 Pentium II PCs be faster than a Dell Server with 4 processors ?
[03:14] <Amaranth> wood1: http://mcaserta.com/openMosix-for-drones/
[03:14] <Amaranth> I doubt it, depends on the systems.
[03:14] <Ng> are 14 ballet dancers better than a weight lifter?
[03:15] <Ng> it's not an answerable question
[03:15] <Amaranth> hehe
[03:15] <Ng> it depends entirely on what you want to do
[03:15] <bob2> 12 pentium 2s would usually be beaten by a dual xeon sort of thing
[03:15] <Amaranth> he has a point there, clusters are used for different things
[03:15] <bob2> if you're hopinh to build a super computer out of old p2's, sorry to disappoint you...
[03:16] <wood1> Well you never know,
[03:16] <wood1> Have anyone of you tried it before ???
[03:16] <Amaranth> well, if the quad processor machine was 4 P4s at 1.6Ghz or something and all the P2s were 500Mhz you might stand a chance
[03:16] <Amaranth> simply because the P4 is weak below somewhere around 2.2Ghz because of the design
[03:17] <wood1> Amaranth, thanks for the morale booster
[03:17] <Amaranth> so, what are the specs on the P2s and the quad machine?
[03:17] <JaRi> hi everyone
[03:18] <Amaranth> if its 4 P4s anywhere above 2.0Ghz I can almost promise you the cluster won't be as good
[03:18] <Amaranth> if it's Xeon then you're really screwed
[03:18] <Amaranth> hehe
[03:19] <Amaranth> wood1: http://mcaserta.com/openMosix-for-drones/ <--"the ultimate start-up guide for openMosix newbies"
[03:19] <ermo> Ng, P2 and ballet dancers? Interesting analogy ;)
[03:19] <wood1> Well that P II are mostly 400 MHz with 192 MB of RAM
[03:19] <Ng> ermo: I just wanted to clearly illustrate the unanswerability of the question ;)
[03:20] <ermo> Ng, hehe
[03:20] <Amaranth> so ha! i answered that one
[03:20] <wood1> Well the Dell Servers are mostly 2.2 GHz with 2 GB of Ram
[03:21] <Amaranth> wait, it's 4 seperate dell servers with 1 processor each?
[03:21] <ermo> wood1, actually, your ieee fp performance /could/ be better, if you can split your job intelligently. OTOH, if your algorithm can be implented using SSE2, then ... I don't know.
[03:21] <wood1> No there are a couple of Dell Servers with 4 CPUs each
[03:21] <Amaranth> 2.2Ghz is where the P4 line started showing it was worth something. On top of that it's probably a Xeon which has more cache so it performs even better.
[03:22] <wood1> But I don't know if they are clustered
[03:22] <Amaranth> If they are then you should just toss these machines into that cluster
[03:22] <JaRi> anyone available to answer a question about a webmin installation gone wrong?
[03:22] <wood1> So can the 12 P II PCs beat the 1 Dell Quad Server ?
[03:23] <Ng> maybe
[03:23] <wood1> Let's not put 12 dancers Vs 1 Weight lifter
[03:23] <boodle> Greetings.. hoping someone can help me with an x.org (using hoary) mouse question... My mouse seems pretty jerky (doesn not move smoothly)... is this a known issue with x.org..any ideas?
[03:23] <Ng> wood1: it depends on the exact job you are giving the cluster
[03:23] <Ng> you literally cannot ask the question you just asked and expect a sane answer :)
[03:24] <wood1> Letter's compare 1 David Beckam Vs 12 ordinary football players
[03:24] <Amaranth> it depends on the applications you're running on it
[03:24] <Amaranth> some things are better with SMP and some are better with clusters
[03:24] <ermo> wood1, it's not a 'single-dimensional' question, really.
[03:24] <Amaranth> the ones better with clusters are either designed for them or someone got really lucky :P
[03:24] <wood1> Let's say that I just want to run a  Apache Web Server
[03:25] <bob2> then mosix is a bad solution
[03:25] <Amaranth> eww
[03:25] <bob2> and the dells will spank you thoroughly
[03:25] <Amaranth> do a DNS round robin
[03:25] <Treenaks> wood1: apt-get install apache
[03:25] <Treenaks> wood1: done!
[03:26] <Amaranth> Treenaks: apt-get install apache2 ;)
[03:26] <Treenaks> yeah yeah
[03:26] <Amaranth> Treenaks: only for mod_python, of course :)
[03:27] <Treenaks> :)
[03:31] <pastyhermit> ubuntu is nice
[03:31] <Gwildor|Work> yes
[03:31] <pastyhermit> though it did crash on me for the first time in months yesterday
[03:31] <pastyhermit> far better than windows ever did hehe.
[03:31] <catdog> Is it normal for a usb hard drive enclosure not to like any filesystem other then FAT or NTFS?
[03:33] <bestadvocate> yah i managed to crash it twice using firefox (keybord stoped regestering anything at all) i might have used to much memory up
[03:33] <Amaranth> bestadvocate: Nah, that isn't really a crash. :P
[03:34] <Amaranth> I've had that happen playing bzflag, usually Ctrl+Alt+F1 still works and I can restart gdm.
[03:34] <Amaranth> Although for most users having X freeze might as well be a crash.
[03:35] <bestadvocate> true but usually ctr+alt +backspace works for restarting it  too
[03:35] <bestadvocate> that was a no-go this time
[03:36] <pastyhermit> catdog, nope, you should be able to put anything you want on it
[03:36] <pastyhermit> heck if you have two enclosures make a RAID array :D
[03:36] <CapNemo> hello :) im interested by this distribution and where i can find a document describing the process of new release and package managment ?
[03:37] <catdog> pastyhermit: hmmm - thanks.
[03:37] <wfx> hi ;-)
[03:38] <tck> lo
[03:40] <wfx> i cant use a printer conected via cups server (is not the local host and it works from other clients)
[03:40] <Kinnison> What in particular is the symptom?
[03:41] <wfx> is setup it with the gnome dialog coputer/system/printer then...
[03:42] <CapNemo> what kind of package system use ubuntu ??
[03:42] <bestadvocate> apt-get debian style package system
[03:42] <bestadvocate> with synaptic if you so chose dude
[03:42] <wfx> i start a testpage and i see that the printer is stoped (printer icon in gnome)
[03:42] <bestadvocate> its nice(one of the reasons i switched)
[03:43] <ruebe> hi
[03:43] <bestadvocate> capnemo: the new releases are on a 6 month scedual i believe
[03:43] <wfx> Kinnison, if you mean me then -> all jobs status is "printer-stoped"
[03:44] <bestadvocate> switch now Mr.Nemo
[03:44] <CapNemo> bestadvocate, and then can i downgrade a package if there is a problem ?
[03:45] <bestadvocate> well you can use the debian universe packages if you have a problem, but your beyond my newb skills already
[03:46] <CapNemo> np :)
[03:46] <CapNemo> thanks :)
[03:49] <trukulo> hi
[04:00] <protocol> hey fellas
[04:00] <protocol> :)
[04:00] <protocol> I believe everyone here has upgraded to hoary?
[04:01] <trukulo> pridkett, so you're wrong
[04:02] <protocol> hey anyone have any idea on why some packages are being held back when I run apt-get upgrade?
[04:02] <falco> protocol: no
[04:03] <Badcel> dependencies
[04:03] <protocol> Badcel: hmm... any idea on what I should do?
[04:03] <falco> at least some of us are using warty
[04:03] <Badcel> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:03] <Badcel> solves dependencies
[04:03] <protocol> Badcel: same thing when I do that.
[04:04] <Badcel> hm
[04:05] <protocol> Badcel: no clue huh
[04:05] <Badcel> no :)
[04:05] <sgood1971> protocol: apt won't upgrade packages that will break others - man apt-get has " New  versions  of
[04:05] <sgood1971>               currently  installed  packages  that  cannot be upgraded without
[04:05] <sgood1971>               changing the install status of another package will be  left  at
[04:05] <sgood1971>               their current version."
[04:06] <protocol> sgood1971: so in other words, I might have to apt-get remove those packages and install them again
[04:07] <sgood1971> protocol: You could force an upgrade but it may break something I wouldn't remove anything unless I was sure.
[04:07] <protocol> sgood1971: hmm... What do you suggest I do?
[04:07] <protocol> force the upgrade?
[04:08] <_svullen> i have by mistake remove /etc/apache2/*, and if i do apt-get remove apache2, and apt-get install apache2. i dont get the configuration files back
[04:08] <sgood1971> protocol: you should make sure you know what packages are going to be affected before you do anything. Try man apt-get and look around for an apt-get tutorial.
[04:08] <_svullen> anyone has a clue how to get the files back ? :)
[04:09] <protocol> sgood1971: okee dokee will read the apt-get man pages again. :) bbiab. Gonna do some reading
[04:10] <sgood1971> Anyone have a clue where to find drivers for a 82801CA/CAM AC'97 winmodem?
[04:11] <bob2> _svullen: remove it with --purge, then reinstall it
[04:11] <bob2> (it's a feature, not a bug)
[04:15] <wfx> sgood1971, dont know if it does but look here (mybe it help) http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.com/g/gromitkc/winmodem.html
[04:16] <sgood1971> wfx: Thanks for the link, I hadn't found that one yet. Looking at it now.
[04:17] <wfx> :)
[04:20] <ploum> Hi
[04:20] <ploum> Anyone know how to find a eclipse repository ?
[04:20] <ploum> no deb here : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/e/eclipse/
[04:22] <bob2> pretty sure the wiki has a section on that
[04:35] <benjanet> hi, i lost some files copy/pasting on Nautilus on Ubuntu
[04:35] <benjanet> is there any way to recover them ?
[04:36] <bob2> you deleted them already?
[04:36] <werewolf> Hi all, I know that swat is in universe, but why, even if the 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2_powerpc is in the pool, it isn't in the list of installable package?
[04:36] <benjanet> bob2, they deleted when cut/paste ocurred. for some reason they didnt paste at the destination folder, and where deleted
[04:37] <bob2> werewolf: sure it's not just installable for a different release than the one you're using
[04:38] <ploum> bob2, yes, but I would prefer a package if possible
[04:39] <seb128> ploum, contribution are welcome
[04:40] <seb128> ploum, you can package it
[04:40] <ploum> seb128, of course.
[04:40] <ploum> But why is it an entry in the repository and no deb file ?
[04:41] <benjanet> any ideas ?
[04:41] <Scognito> hi all
[04:42] <moquist> Scognito: hi
[04:42] <Scognito> i havei'm becoming crazy
[04:42] <Scognito> i changed my card from nvidia to g400
[04:43] <Scognito> and now i cannot use my opengl apps
[04:43] <Kamion> werewolf: add 'deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security universe' to /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:43] <Scognito> tuxracer works fine
[04:43] <Scognito> but my applications doesn't
[04:43] <Scognito> i got:
[04:43] <Scognito> libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x32
[04:44] <Scognito> and:
[04:44] <Scognito> cubotext: freeglut_window.c:300: fgOpenWindow: Assertion `window->Window.VisualInfo != ((void *)0)' failed.
[04:44] <daniels> stop using composite?
[04:44] <Scognito> ?
[04:44] <Scognito> i'm using hoary, and i reverted to Xfree for other probs
[04:45] <Scognito> i don't have composite option in my XF86Config-4
[04:45] <werewolf> Kamion: damn! i put multiverse and not universe! thanks!
[04:45] <Scognito> I've also enabled glcore, dri, and glx
[04:45] <seb128> ploum, because it failed to build on the autobuilder, you can grab the source package and try to make it working
[04:46] <Scognito> some hint?
[04:46] <Kamion> werewolf: base-config in hoary puts an entry like that in commented out; I didn't realise before warty that it was going to be an issue
[04:47] <ploum> seb128, ok thanks..
[04:55] <[BTM] gee> ive got a problem with my resolution, wont change to 1600x1200 even with xrandr -s 1600x1200. Someone that can help me out?:)
[04:56] <adam_> daniels: got any dbus debs?
[04:56] <adam_> :)
[04:56] <Scognito> re
[04:56] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Ubuntu doesn't think your display can go that high so it didn't setup X to allow it.
[04:56] <daniels> adam_: not yet, sorry, been distrcated
[04:56] <Scognito> does dri/3d/opengl works with Xorg and Matrox g400 ?
[04:57] <adam_> np
[04:57] <[BTM] gee> Amaranth ok, well i did put 1600x1200 in XF86 etc
[04:57] <Amaranth> oh?
[04:57] <[BTM] gee> what else is there to do?:)
[04:57] <Amaranth> that should be it
[04:57] <mjr> Scognito, IIRC, it should, but that info is second hand
[04:57] <[BTM] gee> heh
[04:57] <[BTM] gee> fack..
[04:57] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: I'd tell you where to go for the GNOME resolution changer app but hoary just got GNOME's new menu layout
[04:58] <Amaranth> so mine is different
[04:58] <Scognito> damn
[04:58] <[BTM] gee> oh k
[04:58] <mjr> The DRI pages seem to say that G400 is supported: http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Matrox?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware
[04:58] <ar0x> but not with Xinerama  ...
[04:58] <Scognito> mjr, it works with Xfree
[04:59] <Scognito> don't know if it works on xorg
[04:59] <ar0x> i never tested with Xorg
[04:59] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: It's in one of the Comptuter submenus
[04:59] <Scognito> because i'm having troubles with xorg and xfree
[04:59] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Called Screen Resolution, iirc
[04:59] <[BTM] gee> yepp ive been there alot of times, but it wont change hhe
[04:59] <Amaranth> oh
[04:59] <Scognito> i want to reinstall xfree (i had xorg)
[04:59] <[BTM] gee> strange of hell
[04:59] <Scognito> but xlibmesa* is only for xorg
[04:59] <Scognito> ii  xlibmesa-gl                  6.8.1-1ubuntu5               Mesa 3D graphics library [X.Org]
[04:59] <superted> Doesn't base-config set up grub during the install ?
[04:59] <Scognito> i want [Xfree]
[04:59] <Scognito> :(
[04:59] <Scognito> i'm using hoary
[05:00] <Amaranth> Scognito: Why do you want Xfree?
[05:00] <Amaranth> Scognito: x.org is a fork of Xfree so it's mostly the same thing.
[05:00] <Scognito> because i got problem with 3d in xorg
[05:00] <Scognito> Amaranth, do you have g400?
[05:00] <Amaranth> Scognito: I bet textures are messing up, right?
[05:00] <Scognito> no
[05:01] <Amaranth> oh
[05:01] <[BTM] gee> thanks anyway Amaranth :)
[05:01] <Scognito> i cannot launch 3d apps with xorg
[05:01] <Scognito> because i changed my card from nvidia to g400
[05:01] <Scognito> and something is broken now
[05:01] <Amaranth> Because mesa changed and the dri drivers haven't all caught up so that causes some issues.
[05:01] <[BTM] gee> should do if just put in 1600x1200 in XF86config-4 under depth 24 right?
[05:01] <Amaranth> Scognito: Did you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[05:01] <Scognito> but with xfree i got tuxracer working but my opengl apps don't
[05:01] <Scognito> Amaranth, yes
[05:02] <Scognito> i retry to install xorg
[05:02] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Try putting it in as the only resolution for 24, 16, 8, 4, 2, etc
[05:02] <Amaranth> I don't remember how low it does.
[05:02] <Scognito> but i think i'll have same problems
[05:02] <Amaranth> Scognito: What error do you get when you try to launch a 3D app?
[05:02] <Scognito> with xorg?
[05:02] <Amaranth> Scognito: Does glxgears work?
[05:02] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:02] <Scognito> with xorg i don't remember
[05:02] <Scognito> gl extension missing
[05:03] <Scognito> even if i enabled it in my conf
[05:03] <Scognito> btw apt-get install xserver-xorg is ok?
[05:03] <flip> *dumb question* is jigit newer then 4.10?
[05:03] <Amaranth> Scognito: No, wait.
[05:03] <Amaranth> If you've added it and it isn't loaded then it's failing.
[05:04] <Scognito> for now i have xfree
[05:04] <Scognito> and 3d almost works
[05:04] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:04] <BockBilbo> wh
[05:04] <Amaranth> hey BockBilbo
[05:04] <BockBilbo> hello Amaranth
[05:04] <BockBilbo> :D
[05:04] <BockBilbo> can anyone explain me in what sense does ubuntu improve debian?
[05:05] <BockBilbo> im thinking on switching to ubuntu
[05:05] <Quazion> in my experience its a workable system out of the box based on debian and gnome
[05:05] <jolg> BockBilbo: It's brown ;-)
[05:05] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: It provides a stable release every 6 months instead of every 3 years. :P
[05:05] <BockBilbo> hehe
[05:05] <farruinn> BlockBilbo, I used to use Debian, but I like Ubuntu because of the stable releases that aren't years behind current versions
[05:05] <Quazion> i switched my work pc from windows in a day and it just works :)
[05:05] <Scognito> Amaranth, try to reinstall xorg
[05:05] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, and does it work similar to debian?
[05:05] <Quazion> other distro's made me config lots or had to many options
[05:06] <Amaranth> And each new release should come with the latest GNOME.
[05:06] <Amaranth> yes
[05:06] <BockBilbo> so, i guess it has apt, right?
[05:06] <Quazion> yes
[05:06] <Quazion> but the gui synaptic works like a charm also :)
[05:06] <BockBilbo> and is it possible to compile the kernel as it is on debian?
[05:07] <BockBilbo> :D
[05:07] <Quazion> no idea sorry, but i guess so
[05:07] <Amaranth> of course
[05:07] <BockBilbo> :)
[05:07] <Amaranth> it's a stock kernel
[05:07] <BockBilbo> mm interesting
[05:07] <BockBilbo> what do you mean by a "stock kernel"?
[05:08] <flip> which ubuntu is "newer" jigit or the 4.10 release?
[05:08] <Synek> Yes, you can simply install yours prev kernel debs
[05:08] <flip> is jigit like "testing"?
[05:08] <Amaranth> it doesn't have silly patches in it like redhat ones do that break things if you compile your own kernel
[05:08] <BockBilbo> oh.. interesting
[05:08] <BockBilbo> and how about the installation, is it more user-friendly?
[05:08] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: Basically they take the good things from Debian, add the latest GNOME and a little polish and release it.
[05:09] <Amaranth> its pretty much the same as the sarge installer
[05:09] <BockBilbo> ohhh
[05:09] <Amaranth> text based but it pretty much does everything for you
[05:09] <BockBilbo> ok.. so i guess that if i like debian, and gnome, i would love ubuntu, right?
[05:10] <netmonk_> BockBilbo, i had not tryed Debian, and I used kde and now I love Ubuntu
[05:10] <BockBilbo> hehe
[05:10] <Kamion> flip: jigit isn't a release
[05:10] <[BTM] gee> haha Amaranth, now that i did what you said. to put only 1600x1200 in XF86config-4 X find 1400x1050 ?:)
[05:10] <Kamion> flip: it's a download method
[05:10] <flip> oh ok
[05:10] <flip> are there any mirrors?
[05:11] <flip> im only getting like 60kbps off the US mirror
[05:11] <Kosai> 'lo Kamion.  How's the conference?
[05:11] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: That is rather odd...
[05:11] <BockBilbo> is it possible to use another window manager?
[05:11] <Kamion> flip: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[05:11] <BockBilbo> like wmaker, fluxbox, kde, etc?
[05:11] <[BTM] gee> Amaranth no shit:D
[05:11] <darren> Does warty have Java JRE installed?
[05:11] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Are you sure you can go that high?
[05:11] <flip> thanks Kamion
[05:11] <Kamion> Kosai: pretty good, hectic :)
[05:11] <[BTM] gee> heh....yepp
[05:11] <Amaranth> darren: No, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:11] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: You can use whatever you want, yeah.
[05:11] <[BTM] gee> think i had 1600x1200 75hz
[05:12] <BockBilbo> ohh
[05:12] <BockBilbo> great
[05:12] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: odd
[05:12] <[BTM] gee> now it only has 1400x1050 in 60hz, worse part is that it added 2 1400x1050 in xrandr
[05:12] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: I blame the driver.
[05:12] <BockBilbo> and... does it work good with laptops?
[05:12] <[BTM] gee> me2!
[05:12] <[BTM] gee> :)
[05:12] <flip> ubuntu comes w/ gnome 2.8?
[05:12] <superted> yes
[05:12] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: As good as can be expected. :p
[05:12] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: I believe that's mostly a kernel thing.
[05:12] <netmonk_> BockBilbo, i'm with toshiba and it's great
[05:13] <darren> Amaranth, does it have GTK installed?
[05:13] <Amaranth> Yes...
[05:13] <BockBilbo> mm interesting
[05:13] <Kamion> flip: I've made jigit not show up in the index of http://releases.ubuntu.com/ any more; thanks for mentioning that
[05:14] <BockBilbo> netmonk_, are you using it with an intel centrino?
[05:14] <Scognito> i've done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:14] <Amaranth> Kamion: What is jigit?
[05:14] <Amaranth> Is it that Debian download tool?
[05:14] <Scognito> does the file /etc/X11/xorg will be overwritten?
[05:15] <netmonk_> BockBilbo, no i'm not with centrino
[05:15] <__learner__> do you know how can I install OpenOffice in my native language?
[05:16] <[BTM] gee> Amaranth the problem began when my friend did a new kernel...maybe he forgott something when he did the new one?:)
[05:16] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Kernel shouldn't change X.
[05:16] <Amaranth> What kind of video card do you have?
[05:16] <[BTM] gee> hm true
[05:16] <darren> Thanks for the help Amaranth :)
[05:16] <[BTM] gee> gf4ti4600
[05:16] <Kamion> Amaranth: it's a wrapper around jigdo, which is used for Debian CD images yes
[05:16] <Kamion> Amaranth: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JigdoDownloadHowto
[05:17] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, his friend might have unselected the graphic card info on the kernel
[05:17] <Kamion> it's most useful for daily CD images right now, particularly if you also have a local mirror
[05:17] <[BTM] gee> hm
[05:17] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: Oh, then it is a kernel thing.
[05:17] <[BTM] gee> because it worked just fine before
[05:17] <Amaranth> [BTM] gee: You need to rerun the nVidia driver installer.
[05:17] <[BTM] gee> already did that
[05:17] <Scognito> Amaranth, i've xorg now
[05:17] <[BTM] gee> same shitty problem
[05:17] <Scognito> same problem as xfree
[05:18] <Scognito> tuxracer and glxgears works
[05:18] <Scognito> dri is enabled
[05:18] <Scognito> but i got tons of "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23"
[05:18] <[BTM] gee> oh well, ill just kill my friend if he doesnt get it back to normal by tomorrow:)
[05:18] <Scognito> and my gl apps won't start
[05:18] <[BTM] gee> thx for your help
[05:18] <Amaranth> Scognito: run glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering'
[05:19] <Scognito> it is enabled
[05:19] <Amaranth> no clue
[05:19] <Scognito> and i got the libgl warning too
[05:19] <Scognito> direct rendering: Yes
[05:19] <Scognito> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI G400 20030328 AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE
[05:20] <Amaranth> mine is Mesa DRI Radeon 20030328 AGP 1x x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE NO-TCL so i don't know how to help you :P
[05:21] <Scognito> :(
[05:21] <Scognito> tnx anyway
[05:21] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, would you say ubuntu is more user-friendly than debian?
[05:21] <Amaranth> yes
[05:21] <BockBilbo> mmm
[05:21] <BockBilbo> interesting
[05:21] <netmonk_> does anyone know how do I check the status of my cd request on ubuntulinux.org?
[05:21] <Amaranth> you don't have to pick and choose your way to a usable desktop
[05:22] <Amaranth> it just happens
[05:22] <Amaranth> netmonk_: Does it say they've shipped?
[05:22] <Scognito> netmonk_, how cost the shipping?
[05:22] <Scognito> how much i mean
[05:22] <Synek> It's free
[05:22] <Scognito> everything?
[05:23] <Scognito> 0$ and cd at home?
[05:23] <Amaranth> Yes, they are very nice. :)
[05:23] <Synek> Yup.
[05:23] <netmonk_> Amaranth, no - it shows the number of the cds requested
[05:23] <Amaranth> But don't abuse it.
[05:23] <Amaranth> netmonk_: Then they haven't shipped yet.
[05:23] <Scognito> and who pay it?
[05:23] <bob2> Scognito: Canonical is paying for it.
[05:23] <netmonk_> oh, no!
[05:23] <netmonk_> I
[05:23] <rye> I like Ubuntu but I'm a little disappointed that so many of the Mozilla products are not being updated to current versions.  Are we going to have to wait until Hoary to get these packages updated?
[05:23] <Scognito> compliment to them
[05:23] <bob2> netmonk_: login to shipit.ubuntulinux.org to check the ststus
[05:23] <Amaranth> our friendly astronaut is footing the bill ;)
[05:23] <netmonk_> I'm checking my mailbox twice a day
[05:23] <bob2> rye: dude, it's a stable release
[05:23] <bob2> rye: stable = not changing
[05:24] <rye> bob2: Ok, that makes sense.
[05:24] <bob2> rye: if you want unstable stuff, you can use hoary now
[05:24] <farruinn> rye, if you add the marillat repository I think you can get firefox 1.0
[05:24] <__learner__> Is there any way to install OpenOffice.org international in ubuntu? I'm a little afraid of downloading tar.gz files an break my system. Is there possibility of my system to be broken because of such a thing?
[05:24] <farruinn> rye, I don't know any of the details though
[05:25] <Amaranth> __learner__: What language do you need?
[05:25] <bob2> __learner__: international = with all language packs?
[05:25] <BockBilbo> _learner_... apt-get install openoffice.org and then install the locales???
[05:25] <__learner__> no, I just want the brazilian one.
[05:25] <farruinn> __learner__, apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-bz ?
[05:25] <__learner__> Can I install just the native language support?
[05:26] <Amaranth> __learner__: That would be portuguese, right?
[05:27] <Amaranth> If so, run sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-pt
[05:27] <__learner__> yes. Brazilian portuguese
[05:27] <farruinn> oh, sorry =)
[05:28] <__learner__> can't find package openoffice.org-l10n-pt
[05:29] <farruinn> __learner__, you have universe added to your sources.list?
[05:29] <Amaranth> __learner__: You'll have to enable universe
[05:32] <__learner__> yes, universe is enabled.
[05:35] <__learner__> I have universe enabled, but that package is not there. Any other way?
[05:36] <darren> Does anyone know the path that the jre installer installs the java execs to?
[05:37] <Scognito> re
[05:37] <Scognito> nothing to do
[05:38] <Scognito> every gl app does not works with g400 and Xorg
[05:38] <Scognito> if someone has g400 and xorg contact me
[05:38] <Scognito> pls :)
[05:40] <__learner__> can I download games from the debian repository?
[05:45] <midian_> someone have Radeon9100 GFX drivers installed to Ubuntu?
[05:46] <BockBilbo> bye!
[05:47] <mir> I have some mail in mbox format on my linux server witch I want moved to
[05:47] <mir>           maildir format witch is up and running now, is this possible in an
[05:47] <mir>           easy way??.. the mail in mbox is mail witch was recieved prior to
[05:47] <mir>           running in maildir formay
[05:48] <RogueDopple> easy there goes that word again
[05:49] <mir> okey hard way then :-)
[05:49] <ilmari> formail and safecat should do the trick
[05:51] <ilmari> formail -s safecat /path/to/Maildir/tmp /path/to/Maildir/new < /path/to/mbox
[05:52] <ilmari> formail is in the procmail package, safecat is a separate package
[05:53] <ilmari> formail -s splits up the mailbox in individual messages, which are piped to safecat for delivery to the Maildir
[05:54] <mir> ilmari: Thanks.. I think this will help.. I will try as soon as I have installed the packages.. needed
[05:54] <Bosse_> another way is to use a MUA, for example mutt -f /path/to/mbox, mark all items with T.* and then copy them with ;W and /path/to/maildir/
[05:56] <hypa7ia> hey, anyone know what daemon needs to be running for automounting in gnome to work?
[05:57] <bob2> gnome-volume-manager, hal and dbus
[05:58] <hypa7ia> hmm, hal is not runnign
[05:58] <hypa7ia> what's the daemon called?
[05:58] <__learner__> Where can I find good games for ubuntu? I Know most of them are just simple clones of good old games. But there no problems, I just wanted to run some emulators and simple games.
[05:59] <hypa7ia> __learner__: there are lots in universe and multiverse
[05:59] <hypa7ia> and even in the main repos
[06:00] <hypa7ia> just search in synaptic for game - but search title and description :-)
[06:00] <hypa7ia> i'm currently addicted to rafkill
[06:00] <hypa7ia> it rocks.
[06:01] <midian_> someone have ATI Radeon GFX drivers working in Ubuntu?
[06:01] <__learner__> is there any game list somewhere, It is not great to search universe and multiverse in a one per one?
[06:01] <__learner__> How can I know if multiverse is enabled?
[06:02] <alexissoft> re
[06:03] <hypa7ia> __learner__: for multiverse, add multiverse after universe in synaptic
[06:03] <hypa7ia> and what's wrong with searching synaptic?
[06:04] <hypa7ia> midian_: i was, haven't reinstalled them after doinga wipe though
[06:06] <midian_> hypa7ia what do u mean?
[06:06] <hypa7ia> midian_: as in, i had them working, but then i formatted and reinstalled
[06:06] <hypa7ia> botched hoary upgrade :-((
[06:07] <midian_> hypa7ia oh... ok
[06:07] <midian_> i tried to install the drivers but when i rebooted X reported "no screens found"... have no clue now what todo =)
[06:07] <hypa7ia> bob2: all the processes you mentioned are running, can you think of anything that would make a compact flash > pcmcia adapter not be recognized?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> midian_: did you follow the howto on the wiki?
[06:08] <bob2> hypa7ia: no idea if that sort of thing is supported or not
[06:08] <hypa7ia> it used to work :-/
[06:08] <midian_> hypa7ia what howto? =(
[06:08] <hypa7ia> midian_: doh!
[06:08] <bob2> hypa7ia: is it ntfs?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> midian_: lemme find it for you
[06:08] <hypa7ia> bob2: nope, fat32
[06:09] <bob2> hypa7ia: in warty?
[06:09] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[06:09] <hypa7ia> almost-fresh install
[06:10] <hypa7ia> midian_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:12] <midian_> hypa7ia thank you
[06:12] <hypa7ia> no problemo!
[06:13] <hypa7ia> though if you followed another set of instructions, you may have overwritten your original x config file
[06:13] <hypa7ia> so i'm not sure how well the wiki instructions will work
[06:17] <__learner__> tx a lot
[06:18] <caleb_> any word on when ubuntu will package and release the new gaim version?
[06:19] <hypa7ia> is it in hoary yet?
[06:20] <caleb_> i dont know, im running warty
[06:20] <Gwildor|Work> well, it wont EVER be in warty
[06:20] <Gwildor|Work> only hope is hoary
[06:21] <caleb_> ic, whats the upgrade procedure to run hoary from warty?
[06:21] <zenwhen> waiting months for an instant messaging app seems a bit silly to me. You can always build it yourself.
[06:22] <Gwildor|Work> change the words warty to hoary in your sources.list, and then apt-get update....dist-upgrade
[06:23] <cenerentola> gwildor
[06:23] <cenerentola> ubuntu-it
[06:24] <cenerentola> sorry
[06:24] <cenerentola> ...
[06:24] <Keybuk> Gwildor: which new version?
[06:24] <Keybuk>   Version Table:
[06:24] <Keybuk>  *** 1:1.1.0-1 0
[06:24] <Keybuk>         500 http://mataro.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[06:25] <hypa7ia> don't forget to change to utf-8
[06:25] <zerokarmaleft> caleb_, it's much simpler to remove the warty gaim version using apt and then building the latest version from source
[06:26] <caleb_> zerokarmaleft, im not against doing that.  but i kind of defeats the idea that im running a pretty bleeding edge desktop using synaptic.
[06:26] <zerokarmaleft> caleb_, but you're running warty...
[06:27] <caleb_> zerokarmaleft, right.  which i guess means I need to switch to hoary.  I'm running warty because it was the recommended path when I found ubuntu a few months ago :)
[06:28] <zerokarmaleft> caleb_, i upgraded to the hoary branch and it's no fun
[06:28] <hypa7ia> because hoary wasn't out yet :-))
[06:28] <caleb_> I probably need to read about the difference
[06:29] <zerokarmaleft> caleb_, the changes in gnome 2.9 break some distinctive ubuntu patches
[06:29] <langleyfan> Anyone LiveCD savvy in here?
[06:30] <lamont_r> langleyfan: what are you trying to figure out?
[06:30] <macewan> define savvy
[06:30] <langleyfan> I want to evaluate ubuntu from a livecd but when I change the eth0 config the apps stop working..
[06:31] <langleyfan> savvy - all knowing and ubuntu wize :-)
[06:31] <hypa7ia> ubuntacular?
[06:31] <langleyfan> kool
[06:32] <hypa7ia> :-))
[06:34] <langleyfan> I did get a massage that if I changed the hostname that the apps would stop working so I cancelled out and didn't make a hostname change...
[06:36] <JackandJohn> ok, "remote desktop" (vnc) is driving me crazy.. can anyone help me change the port?
[06:36] <joe__> Has anyone here seen any bizarre install problems on a Dell GX280?
[06:36] <coobra> is there a swede in her
[06:36] <coobra> e
[06:36] <hypa7ia> joe__: is that i810?
[06:37] <joe__> hypa7ia: Nope, or at least I don't think so.  IT dropped it on my desk this morning and it was running WinXP when it first arrived.
[06:38] <hypa7ia> darn... i have one is all.  intel integrated video, though, right?
[06:38] <joe__> Let me explain the problem as I'm seeing it.  Unfortunately it's just symptoms that I've got.
[06:38] <hypa7ia> go for it
[06:38] <joe__> Yep.  On board video.  Vesa driver seems to work alright, though.
[06:38] <zerokarmaleft> ewww
[06:39] <hypa7ia> oh, so that's not the problem :-)
[06:39] <joe__> So the first stage install works fine except it can't detect the network configuration.
[06:39] <joe__> No big deal there.
[06:39] <hypa7ia> yah
[06:40] <joe__> Second stage waits roughly eight years before the "Setting the System Clock ... " stage gives up.  I've ctrl-c'd it and moved on.
[06:40] <hypa7ia> hahah, doh.
[06:40] <joe__> It gets to the firest base-config screen with <Ok> highlighted.  I hit enter and then nothing ever again.
[06:40] <the_gummibear> is there a way to configure samba in a way that there is no login/pass needed to acces the shared dirs?
[06:41] <joe__> 'first', even.    It almost looks like it's having a keyboard config problem, but I don't know why.  I can move to a second virtual console and log in as root just fine.
[06:42] <hypa7ia> oh really?  weeeeird
[06:42] <discharge> gummibear, yes.  check the ubuntupage for a tutorial
[06:42] <joe__> Of course there's no chance of running base-config from there since the lock is on the apt repository.
[06:42] <joe__> Yep.
[06:42] <hypa7ia> can you get out of base-config in the other window, maybe?
[06:43] <joe__> What do I kill to kill off base-config?
[06:43] <discharge> gummibear:  http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[06:43] <hypa7ia> joe__: not sure... see what's running....
[06:43] <joe__> termwrap--script--script--base-config-> looks promising.
[06:43] <flip> is there any help on getting ubuntu to work w/ 2 monitors
[06:44] <the_gummibear> discharge, read the tutorial, but it's not telling me how to disable login/pass
[06:44] <flip> i just installed it and only one head was detected on install
[06:44] <hypa7ia> that it does
[06:44] <flip> is there an X config utility i should be using that was built for Ubuntu before i go vim'ing the config files?
[06:45] <discharge> gummibear, the ones that say Authentication=No tell you how to setup a public share with no name/pass required
[06:45] <douglas> hi
[06:47] <hypa7ia> flip: only for some things
[06:48] <flip> hypa7ia, where is it?
[06:48] <joe__> (much killing happens) It's looking like I'm at the timezone configuration screen now.  I don't know what was going on with the intro screen, so it skipped keyboard config entirely.  I don't know what that means, but it seems halfways happy again.
[06:49] <hypa7ia> flip: computer -> system -> screen res
[06:49] <hypa7ia> rockin joe__
[06:50] <flip> ahh thanks hypa7ia.. so i gotta make a new XF86Config
[06:50] <flip> does X.Org still use this file?
[06:50] <hypa7ia> no, should be xorg.conf
[06:51] <hypa7ia> just rename it and change references in the file to xorg rather than xfree86
[06:51] <mjg59> Kinnison: Ping?
[06:51] <Kinnison> mjg59: pong
[06:51] <the_gummibear> discharge, is that tutorial on the ubuntu site? cause i can't find it.. maybe i'm overlooking it :s
[06:51] <flip> hypa7ia, yea i have no xorg.conf in my systemn
[06:52] <mjg59> Kinnison: Have you got a minute to try something?
[06:52] <discharge> gummibear, http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#sharepublicfolderreadsecurityshare
[06:52] <mjg59> Kinnison: If so, could you install http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/vm86-video-post_0.1-1_i386.deb and run vm86_video_post from a text console?
[06:53] <Kinnison> mjg59: what sort of something?
[06:53] <Kinnison> ergh; video post?
[06:53] <Kinnison> it'll eat my life
[06:53] <mjg59> Yeah, but less broken than video_post was
[06:53] <the_gummibear> must have overlooked it.. :s thx a lot
[06:53] <joe__> Hmmm, things still aren't quite right, now it's running aptitude on me, which I don't recall having seen in any of the previous ubuntu installs I did, but at least it's progress.
[06:53] <hypa7ia> flip: i'm not 100% sure that's what it's called, alas
[06:53] <flip> ah
[06:53] <flip> well thanks anyway :)
[06:53] <Kinnison> mjg59: if I'm not back in a minute or so; I'll ping timeout :-)
[06:57] <bronson_> Is anyone here able to burn DVDs in Hoary?
[06:57] <Gwildor|Work> no burner :(
[06:59] <Kinnison> mjg59: Okay; it broke my text console; but switching back to X worked
[07:02] <JefPober> hi, i'm using the amd64 version of ubuntu, is it possible to mix amd64 and x86 package sources and is it possible to force something in /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can override the default architecture?
[07:03] <mjg59> Kinnison: Broke as in turned off the backlight?
[07:03] <Kinnison> mjg59: yes
[07:03] <Kinnison> mjg59: I can flip back to the console again just fine
[07:03] <mjg59> Kinnison: Can you try running vm86_video_post followed by dpms on?
[07:03] <Kamion> JefPober: not yet, we haven't done multiarch but we plan to
[07:04] <JefPober> for example, i want to use the k7 mplayer version from nerim.net but synaptic complains about not finding binary-amd64/Packages.gz :(
[07:04] <Kinnison> mjg59: one sec
[07:04] <JefPober> Kamion, great news :)
[07:04] <Kinnison> mjg59: no better
[07:04] <Kamion> at the moment an i386 chroot's your best bet
[07:04] <mjg59> Kinnison: Still no screen afterwards?
[07:04] <mjg59> Ah well
[07:05] <JefPober> isn't it possible to install i386 .debs with dpkg or would i just break stuff?
[07:05] <mjg59> It seems better than video_post does
[07:05] <Kinnison> mjg59: at least I can flip back to X
[07:05] <mjg59> Kinnison: Yeah
[07:05] <mjr> Kamion, by the way, probably not multiarch for Hoary yet, or..?
[07:06] <Kamion> mjr: doubt it
[07:07] <ermo> what is a good (gnome/gtk2) ftp client for use with ubuntu? gFTP keeps crashing and nautilus' ftp handling is ... interesting.
[07:07] <hypa7ia> heh, interesting
[07:07] <hypa7ia> i've had luck with gftp, actually
[07:08] <Rene_S> Someones playing hooky from school
[07:08] <ermo> would being behind 2 NATs be an issue ;)
[07:08] <hypa7ia> heheh maaaaybe
[07:08] <ermo> (no, don't ask why)
[07:08] <Rene_S> hypa7ia: go back to school
[07:08] <hypa7ia> nah, Rene_S, exam period!
[07:09] <hypa7ia> heading off to study tho
[07:09] <Rene_S> hypa7ia: us taxpayers pay good money for your OSAP
[07:09] <hypa7ia> s/osap/parents
[07:09] <Rene_S> hehe
[07:09] <hypa7ia> thank GAWD
[07:09] <hypa7ia> but yeah
[07:09] <hypa7ia> much news when i return!
[07:09] <Rene_S> Dont make me get your Moms down here
[07:09] <Rene_S> hehe
[07:09] <hypa7ia> :-))
[07:09] <Rene_S> Ok. you can email me
[07:09] <hypa7ia> whereat?
[07:10] <Rene_S> oh
[07:10] <Rene_S> umm
[07:10] <hypa7ia>  /msg meeee
[07:11] <Kinnison> mjg59: cenerent1la and I are about to try hoary's 2.6.9-1-686 (2.6.9-3) on his laptop
[07:13] <Kinnison> fabbione: So, the linux-restricted-modules stuff for 2.6.9 -- Why is there no -686 package?
[07:14] <fabbione> dude.. that's daniels business
[07:14] <__learner__> do you know any C++ IDE that can be installed in ubuntu?
[07:14] <mjg59> kingsley_: Rock
[07:15] <mjg59> Kinnison: Rock (even)
[07:15] <mjg59> Kinnison: If you have problems with video_post, could you try vm86_video_post?
[07:15] <Kinnison> mjg59: we'll see what happens
[07:16] <Kinnison> fabbione: I see
[07:16] <sladen> mjg59: did you say you'd split the x86 emulator from X out?
[07:16] <Kinnison> fabbione: care to maim him creatively for me?
[07:17] <mjg59> sladen: No, someone's already done that
[07:17] <mjg59> It's on Scitech's site
[07:18] <sladen> mjg59: groovy
[07:18] <mjg59> I'm using lrmi at the moment, because it's a damn sight easier to code with
[07:22] <BlondeguySchool> hey guys
[07:22] <BlondeguySchool> got a big problem
[07:23] <BlondeguySchool> seems i've locked myself out of my system because I changed my username and its not in the sudoers file so I cant use su or sudo
[07:23] <BlondeguySchool> which means I cant fix this
[07:23] <BlondeguySchool> any clue as to how I can get around this?
[07:23] <flip> i just broke ubuntu horribly :F
[07:24] <ficusplanet> BlondeguySchool, Boot from a live cd, edit sudoers.
[07:24] <flip> i tried to use the fglrxconfig utlity to write a new XF86Config to include dual head w/ the properties of my second monitor and now i cant get X to start at all
[07:25] <flip> is there a way to rerun whatever setup X during installation?
[07:25] <__learner__> Do you know how can I install Eclipse IDE on my ubuntu system?
[07:25] <flip> w/o reinstalling that is
[07:25] <Synek> flip: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:26] <Synek> Try this first
[07:26] <flip> Synek ok restarting gdm
[07:27] <flip> nope.. ill rename XF86Config and try it again
[07:27] <joe__> hypa7ia: rumour has it the onboard video on the GX280 is an i910, if that helps.  My install tragedy continues, though.  :-(
[07:28] <Pathfinder> Hi, newbie here so hopefully my problem isn't too complicated.  When I boot Ubuntu Acrobat Reader immediately tries to launch, but then hangs.  Can anyone help me put a stop to Acrobat trying to launch?  Thanks
[07:29] <ficusplanet> Pathfinder, It sounds like it is saved in your session.  Login, close Acroread, and when you logout save your session again.
[07:29] <flip> Synek, ok sooo ive removed the XF86Config-4 file from /etc/X11 and the dpkg command hasnt replaced it
[07:30] <Pathfinder> ficusplanet, trouble is the screen won't close and just goes blank/white, so I can't do as you say
[07:30] <Pathfinder> I mean *window*, not screen
[07:30] <hwm> my copy has developed a lag.  When I click firefox, for instance, it takes almost a minute to come up.
[07:30] <jiyuu0> An early Christmas gift to all the Ubuntu Community Users...
[07:30] <jiyuu0> Announcing http://ubuntuguide.org (Unofficial Ubuntu Starter Guide)
[07:30] <jiyuu0> *Previously located at http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[07:31] <Synek> flip: and what's he saying?
[07:31] <ficusplanet> OK, try pressing Alt+F2 and then typing killall acroread.
[07:31] <nuOpus> hwm: Have you tried prelink?
[07:31] <nuOpus> hwm: Is it slow to load firefox ... or kinda slow to access web sites?
[07:31] <flip> Synek, dpkg?  it asks me all the X config questions and then exits... still no recreation :F
[07:32] <hwm> if I don't have anything running, and I invoke it from the terminal, it gives me something about can't open window, but eventually it does open.
[07:32] <Synek> What was the error mesg from xserver with prev XF86C..
[07:32] <Synek> ?
[07:32] <flip> oh no error message ... just jiberish on the screen
[07:32] <nuOpus> hwm: Is anything else running hoaky?
[07:32] <flip> like the sync ranges are completely wrong
[07:32] <flip> and i know there not
[07:33] <Synek> flip: try to use that config, try set the vesa driver
[07:33] <hwm> I guess so.  not that I have tried all that much.  I did have another question about which JRE ubuntu installs by default and how to upgrade it to another, if I need to
[07:33] <flip> im using the fglrx driver
[07:34] <Synek> Or simply undo the changes yoe've done to it, if you still rember them ;)
[07:34] <nuOpus> hwn: it doesnt install a JRE by default... download the self extracting binaries from java.com
[07:34] <MFen> anyone know why i can't view man or info pages in my gnome-help?
[07:34] <nuOpus> and do a make-jpkg java-blahblah.bin
[07:34] <Synek> flip: i'm affraid that's all my knowledge ;/
[07:34] <MFen> i've seen several pages claiming these schemes should work
[07:34] <Pathfinder> ficusplanet, brilliant...thanks...will no logout saving a blank session...great
[07:34] <ficusplanet> np
[07:34] <flip> Synek well see i read on ubuntu.org that for the ati chipset i should change all this stuff and use this new driver and configure the dual head from the control panel that it installed... which i did; then trainwreck :F
[07:35] <nuOpus> it will create the proper deb out of the java binary from sun, put them in proper locations and even link the plugins for you
[07:35] <nuOpus> OH! But first you have to apt-get install java-package to get make-jpkg
[07:35] <Synek> flip: really can't help, i'm stick with nv
[07:36] <mirak> does someone uses pan the news reader here ?
[07:36] <nuOpus> flip: Are you using xorg?
[07:36] <flip> i thought i was by default
[07:36] <flip> i just installed 4.10
[07:36] <nuOpus> ahhh
[07:36] <nuOpus> okay
[07:36] <flip> but it seems im running XF86
[07:36] <nuOpus> what kind of ATI?
[07:36] <flip> radeon 9200
[07:36] <nuOpus> hmmmm
[07:36] <flip> all the log files say its XFree86 4.3.x
[07:37] <flip> instead of X.Org
[07:37] <Kinnison> daniels: Your crack is bad crack
[07:37] <Kinnison> daniels: and it's hairy
[07:37] <nuOpus> get the fglrx drivers from ati web site
[07:37] <nuOpus> then do alien fglrx-4.3.0-blahblah
[07:37] <nuOpus> install the deb
[07:37] <mirak> what news reader do you use ?
[07:37] <nuOpus> go to the /lib/modules/fglrx/build_modules and do an sh build_modules or something
[07:37] <flip> nuOpus well i apt-get installed the fglrx driver
[07:38] <trans_err> i want to use nvagp, but agpgart won't stop loading... any ideas?
[07:38] <mjr> well, 9200 has DRI support too (though dual-head configurations only on Hoary/X.org)
[07:38] <Kamion> flip: X.org is a hoary thing
[07:38] <nuOpus> that one is crap
[07:38] <maskie> flip: xfree is the default for warty ... xorg default for hoary the next version
[07:38] <nuOpus> lol
[07:38] <mirak> what news reader do you use ?
[07:38] <mirak> what news reader do you use ?
[07:38] <mirak> what news reader do you use ?
[07:38] <zenwhen> wow
[07:38] <flip> ah
[07:38] <flip> ok
[07:38] <zenwhen> spamaliscious
[07:38] <flip> so thats what ill do
[07:38] <nuOpus> I got mine to work perfectly from the NEW fglrx drivers from ati
[07:38] <trans_err> somone needs their fix
[07:38] <nuOpus> the one in the repos are ancient
[07:38] <flip> hrmm'
[07:38] <flip> ok
[07:38] <flip> and itll work dual head?
[07:38] <nuOpus> yes
[07:38] <nuOpus> use fglrxconfig to configure it
[07:38] <flip> now to create a new XF86Config file
[07:39] <flip> since fglrxconfig destroyed the last one
[07:39] <daniels> Kinnison: which crack?
[07:39] <flip> wait
[07:39] <flip> i know what to do
[07:39] <flip> thanks guys
[07:39] <nuOpus> lol like I said .. I didnt use the ancient one from the repos
[07:39] <flip> :)
[07:39] <Kinnison> daniels: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9-1-386
[07:40] <nuOpus> the linux-restricted modules for 2.6.9 are up?
[07:40] <daniels> Kinnison: right ...
[07:41] <the_gummibear> how is the package with gcc etc called again (the base to compile things)
[07:41] <nuOpus> cuz I dont see linux-restricted-modules 2.6.9 anywhere in there
[07:41] <nuOpus> universe or multiverse
[07:41] <kent> the_gummibear,  build-essential
[07:41] <RomPres> I'm trying to use Synaptci (Warty) to remove postfix.  But it says that if I do THAT, it's going to remove ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop too!!
[07:41] <RomPres> Why?
[07:41] <the_gummibear> that's it idd :) thx
[07:41] <Gwildor|Work> nuOpus, are you on hoary?
[07:41] <RomPres> I don't want postfix.
[07:42] <nuOpus> yes
[07:42] <joe__> *wave* Thanks for the help folks, I think it's installed now.    I also had a lot of fonts that would stop loading
[07:43] <nuOpus> but it looks really good
[07:44] <nuOpus> njs12345 you know how long it was overdue before they released their fglrx driver in the first place?
[07:44] <njs12345> no.. I only came to linux like two years ago
[07:45] <nuOpus> and it is just a hacked up fireGL driver
[07:45] <nuOpus> the one they are supposed to put out is the newly rewritten Catalyst driver
[07:45] <nuOpus> instead of the hacked firegl.
[07:45] <candyman> join nvidia
[07:45] <nuOpus> BUT .. since they are going from scratch it will be 2 years! LOL
[07:46] <njs12345> lol
[07:46] <njs12345> this is kind of crapped out
[07:46] <nuOpus> candyman: have been loyal ATI since the original ATI Rage
[07:46] <bob2> RomPres: you'll want to look at the equivs package before you break your system
[07:46] <bob2> also, using qmail is anti-social
[07:46] <nuOpus> candyman: BUT I am thinking about going nvidia cuz of the driver thing ... im just giving them a little time
[07:46] <candyman> nuOpus: bad keyboard
[07:46] <the_gummibear> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[07:46] <njs12345> I am going to go nvidia with my next card
[07:46] <zenwhen> nuOpus, I was the same as you.
[07:46] <njs12345> ati are just not acceptable
[07:46] <candyman> I was actually trying to /join nvidia (irssi does not require the #). Sorry for that.
[07:46] <RomPres> qmail is incredibly stable.  We run our enterprise mail server on it, and have for years.
[07:46] <nuOpus> ya now a days
[07:47] <the_gummibear> is that the libgtk-dev i need?
[07:47] <zenwhen> I had a Rage 128, 8500, 9500, 9800, then switched to Linux.
[07:47] <nuOpus> its just sad ... I still think their cards remain superior ... but their software support is going to make me dump that marriage
[07:47] <zenwhen> Then I bought an FX5700 which, IN LINUX, killed the 9800 Pro.
[07:47] <zenwhen> And I was like OH WOW 6800, let me in on this.
[07:48] <zenwhen> So Now Im have thta and Linux s wonderful. :)
[07:48] <zenwhen> I have*
[07:48] <nuOpus> I mean sure nvidia always comes in behind them and makes a faster card .... but without the same graphics quality to achieve the performance
[07:48] <nuOpus> Anyhoo what is a great nvidia card for xmas?
[07:48] <zenwhen> nuOpus, the 6800 series doesn't have IQ issues.
[07:48] <zenwhen> nuOpus, 6600GT AGP
[07:49] <zenwhen> Its the best card for 200 bucks
[07:49] <eruin> heh, am I the only one who can't tell the difference between a top-range nvidia card versus a top-range ati card when it comes to graphics quality??!
[07:49] <zenwhen> and it STOMPS the 9800 pro.
[07:49] <nuOpus> I want high performance .. something has got to run Americas Army and ut2004 good
[07:49] <nuOpus> eruin: yes
[07:49] <nuOpus> lol
[07:49] <zenwhen> nuOpus, it will rock in both of those games.
[07:49] <eruin> there's not the least difference
[07:49] <nuOpus> because I notice the image blending when there are distance involved in the games
[07:49] <zenwhen> The 6800nu is a bit better for 250.
[07:50] <eruin> what you see on these so-called review sites with jagged edges etc depends on the exact frame that's being rendered
[07:50] <RomPres> OK...so if I'm stuck with postfix, how do I configure it to receive E-mail from external sources?
[07:50] <zenwhen> nuOpus, that was witht he FX5*** series
[07:50] <nuOpus> zenwhen: I was saving up for their new PCI Extreme card
[07:50] <zenwhen> The 6800 series does not have these issues.
[07:50] <nuOpus> RomPress: You can safely get rid of ubuntu-desktop
[07:51] <nuOpus> it does nothing for the way the OS functions
[07:51] <stuNNed> so metacity update today is broken in hoary?
[07:51] <the_gummibear> i have a rather noobish question.. but how should i install something from source in a clean way?
[07:51] <nuOpus> its just a metapackage with dependancies for installation
[07:51] <nuOpus> from source?
[07:51] <the_gummibear> i place my unpacked dir in /usr/local/src/
[07:52] <the_gummibear> & then i do just do ./configure make & make install in that dir?
[07:52] <zenwhen> install build essential and checkinstall, then download the tgz, extract it, cd into the dir, ./configure && make && checkinstall
[07:52] <nuOpus> I untar the archive, type deb-make then do a dpkg-buildpackage and hope I dont have dependency issues
[07:52] <RomPres> What about ubuntu-base?
[07:52] <nuOpus> it will build the package from scratch and make a .deb to install from so you can easily remove it later
[07:52] <nuOpus> RomPre: get rid of it
[07:52] <nuOpus> lol
[07:52] <nuOpus> same thing
[07:53] <nuOpus> RomPress find it in Synaptic, click on it then go to properties
[07:53] <nuOpus> look at the installed files
[07:53] <nuOpus> nothing except for a readme
[07:53] <RomPres> And that's not going to fubar my whole system?
[07:53] <nuOpus> LOL no
[07:53] <nuOpus>  look at the installed files
[07:53] <the_gummibear> let's give it a try
[07:53] <nuOpus> and you will see
[07:54] <nuOpus> its just a changelog and a readme
[07:54] <the_gummibear> Illegal package name MPlayer. Must be lowercase letters and digits
[07:54] <the_gummibear> damnit :p
[07:54] <nuOpus> but ... have you EVER read the changelog?
[07:55] <nuOpus> oh .. and meta package info just to install BASE distro ... has dependencies such as apt
[07:55] <nuOpus> ubuntu-base is meta to intall base software without the gui stuff basically. ubuntu-desktop is meta to install X, GNOME and all of the other apps that come with the desktp
[07:56] <the_gummibear> hmm.. type of package? single bin, multi bin or lib?
[07:56] <nuOpus> but once they are already there ... you dont need them
[07:56] <nuOpus> single bin
[07:56] <RomPres> I shall give it a whirl.
[07:56] <nuOpus> the-bummibear: You WILL have to resolve build-time dependencies
[07:56] <eruin> anyone here know of rhythmbox 0.9-branch debs ?
[07:57] <nuOpus> I can build you a deb if you want
[07:57] <nuOpus> I was thinking of compiling the latest rhytm
[07:57] <Kamion> nuOpus: deb-make is so obsolete it's not funny. please don't use it
[07:57] <eruin> trying to complete my system with burning.. got coaster, need rbox 0.9 ;)
[07:57] <bur[n] er> any major changes to rbox .9?
[07:57] <nuOpus> lol it works
[07:57] <bur[n] er> ie, tag editing?
[07:57] <Kamion> nuOpus: the current debmake package deletes it entirely to discourage its use
[07:57] <eruin> nuOpus: I've used it before.. it's sweet stuff
[07:57] <bur[n] er> ;)
[07:57] <nuOpus> Kamion: I have been using paco lately
[07:57] <the_gummibear> hmm, any help is appreciated nuOpus as i'm kinda noobish :(
[07:57] <Kamion> I doubt we'd ever accept a new deb-make package into hoary
[07:57] <the_gummibear> & don't wanna fook up my system with unclean installs :p
[07:58] <nuOpus> ahhhhh okay
[07:58] <Gwildor|Work> any idea if/when hoary will hace xfce4.2?
[07:58] <nuOpus> just do a ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install then!!!
[07:58] <nuOpus> lol
[07:58] <nuOpus> Kamion: What do you think of paco to keep track of built software?
[07:59] <nuOpus> the_gummibear: What are you trying to compile?
[08:00] <eruin> speed: 80.3 KB/s down - 973.2 KB/s up
[08:00] <eruin> argh
[08:00] <eruin> sometimes I really hate torrent :P
[08:00] <nuOpus> ya
[08:00] <darren> How'd I use apt-get?
[08:01] <SepheeBear> is paco anything like "checkinstall"?
[08:01] <Gwildor|Work> sudo apt-get install <packagage>
[08:01] <nuOpus> darren: apt-get update will go to the sources and download new headers .... kinda like update a catalog
[08:01] <tberman> on hoary, gnome-menus appears to conflict with kdelibs-data
[08:01] <scoon> darren, man apt-get
[08:01] <Kamion> nuOpus: never used it
[08:01] <nuOpus> SepheeBear: paco keeps track of where binaries were installed when you build programs from scratch and puts it in a list so you can easily get rid of them later
[08:01] <Gwildor|Work> darren,  for example sudo apt-get update      then you do sudo apt-get install gimp
[08:02] <nuOpus> ya
[08:02] <darren> ahh, thanks
[08:02] <Kamion> nuOpus: sounds like a not-invented-here reimplementation of GNU stow
[08:02] <nuOpus> Kamion: Its great software! yes ... but it has a GTK frontend! lol
[08:02] <eruin> bloody'ell I think firefox could use some more compile optimizations
[08:02] <Gwildor|Work> sudo gives you root.....apt-get update makes sure you sources are recent, then install.....installs....you can also sudo apt-get upgrade, to upgrade your sstem
[08:02] <Kamion> uh ... I see
[08:03] <eruin> the current ubuntu build is dead slow
[08:03] <SepheeBear> i see, nuOpus in that case I've been using '00checkinstall -D' instead of 'make install'
[08:03] <darren> apt-get doesn't have xmms, know anywhere I can get it?
[08:03] <bob2> darren: it's in universe
[08:03] <eruin> send him to the wiki guys
[08:03] <bob2> darren: wiki.ubuntnu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:03] <Kamion> largely I manage built-from-source software by packaging it and uploading it to a distribution I use. ;-)
[08:03] <nuOpus> Kamion: example paco usage ... ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && paco -lp gaim-1.1.0 "make install"
[08:03] <douglas> i have installed openoffice in gnome, but it is not using the nuvola theme... how to solve it ?
[08:03] <nuOpus> will file it under the gaim-1.1.0 name so you can manage the files later
[08:04] <SepheeBear> where do i get paco?
[08:04] <eruin> douglas: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome
[08:04] <nuOpus> has a script that can then get those binaries and package them into debs or rpm
[08:04] <nuOpus> paco.sourceforge.net
[08:04] <Kamion> I have precisely one thing in /usr/local/bin on this system, and that won't stay there for long
[08:04] <darren> bob2, It can't be found
[08:04] <darren> How do I add internet sources to repositries
[08:04] <Kamion> so I don't have much use for that kind of thing :)
[08:04] <nuOpus> Kamion: Ya ... used to do that until I got lazy with the copying the .desktop files to the proper place
[08:05] <nuOpus> Kamion: To each his own I guess
[08:05] <bob2> darren: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:06] <Kamion> nuOpus: uh ... if I package it, I don't need to copy them; debian/rules does that for me. :)
[08:06] <darren> bob2, can't find that website
[08:06] <eruin> darren: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:06] <nuOpus> Kamion: point taken. I guess I need to learn more about packaging software in debian
[08:06] <bob2> darren: it works for me
[08:06] <nuOpus> Kamion: I came from Gentoo world
[08:06] <Gwildor|Work> what happened to bonobo?
[08:06] <Gwildor|Work> he was so helpfull :)
[08:06] <darren> bob2, I refreshed a few times and it's working now :P
[08:08] <nuOpus> Anyhoo ... need to get going. Time to fail a few students ... its finals day!
[08:08] <nuOpus> Nice chat Kamion
[08:08] <the_gummibear> hmm, sorry, had a phonecall :p
[08:08] <nuOpus> quit
[08:08] <the_gummibear> i'm trying to compile MPlayer
[08:08] <nuOpus> damn
[08:09] <moquist> hehe
[08:09] <bob2> the_gummibear: why don't you just install the packages?
[08:10] <douglas> ok
[08:10] <the_gummibear> is there an mplayer package? :s
[08:10] <the_gummibear> can't find it in the synaptics package manager :s
[08:11] <bur[n] er> mplayer-i686
[08:11] <bur[n] er> in universe?
[08:11] <bob2> it's in multiverse
[08:11] <bur[n] er> wtf is multiverse?
[08:11] <Kamion> multiverse = unsupported/non-free
[08:11] <bob2> non-free stuff
[08:11] <Kamion> (universe = unsupported/free)
[08:11] <moquist> i think it should be "per-verse"
[08:11] <the_gummibear> how can i find those?
[08:11] <bur[n] er> gotcha
[08:12] <bur[n] er> uncomment it from your sources?
[08:12] <the_gummibear> the universe/multiverse thingies :p
[08:12] <warty> anyone know how to rest my pam.d file?
[08:12] <bur[n] er> the_gummibear: i honsetly dont' know how to do it from synaptic, although I know there's a way
[08:12] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, i know how in synaptic
[08:12] <the_gummibear> i'd be a text junkie if i knew enough about it ;)
[08:13] <bur[n] er> well... Gwildor|Work can prolly walk you through
[08:13] <the_gummibear> but i'm the noob himself :p
[08:13] <bur[n] er> it's pretty easy
[08:13] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, open synaptic...go to settings---->repositories
[08:13] <the_gummibear> only worked with gentoo before.. with the easy 'emerge' :p
[08:13] <the_gummibear> k, i'm there
[08:13] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, uncheck all of the boxes.....except for the top one.....check that
[08:13] <bur[n] er> wow, that's all there is to it
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> err....enable them all excapt for the top one
[08:14] <bur[n] er> that's easier than a text editor ;)
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> yeah
[08:14] <the_gummibear> the top one is cdrom..
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> yup
[08:14] <the_gummibear> ah :p
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> to add multiverse
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> find the 2 that are for universe
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> and in the box that says universe....make it say..........universe multiverse
[08:14] <the_gummibear> checked all except the first one
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> to add multiverse
[08:14] <Gwildor|Work> find the 2 that are for universe
[08:14] <darren> I've just used the packae manager to install xmms, where can I find it to?
[08:15] <Gwildor|Work> and in the box that says universe....make it say..........universe multiverse
[08:15] <Gwildor|Work> darren, im pretty sure xmms makes it to the gnome menue
[08:15] <the_gummibear> only seperated by a 'space' ?
[08:15] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, yes
[08:15] <the_gummibear> you need to log in again before xmms is in the menu
[08:15] <darren> Gwildor|Work, It's not under the Multimedia menu...
[08:15] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, be sure to "refresh" in synaptic......or apt-get update
[08:16] <the_gummibear> (at least it was like that here)
[08:16] <bur[n] er> beep-media-player is cooler ;
[08:16] <bur[n] er> gtk2 as opposed to xmms' gtk1
[08:16] <Gwildor|Work> darren, hmmm, yeah, log out...and back into gnome
[08:16] <the_gummibear>  refresh = reloading package list?
[08:16] <darren> ok, I just use run application for the moment, thanks for the help!
[08:17] <the_gummibear> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/mutliverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:17] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, hmmm
[08:17] <Gwildor|Work> is that from synaptic?
[08:17] <the_gummibear> uhu
[08:17] <Gwildor|Work> hmmm
[08:18] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, try this.........remove the word "multiverse"
[08:18] <the_gummibear> found it :p i typed mutliverse :p
[08:18] <the_gummibear> stupid typo's :p
[08:18] <Gwildor|Work> ahhhh
[08:18] <eruin> EEP, I just noticed I bought candy for 34 last night :P
[08:18] <the_gummibear> aaah, there it is :')
[08:19] <the_gummibear> thx a lot
[08:21] <spacey_ki> who can i mail about website problems
[08:21] <spacey_ki> ?
[08:21] <flip> has anyone here used the new fglxr driver from ati.com?
[08:21] <spacey_ki> i cannot reset my password on the website
[08:24] <the--dud> hi there, how long does a shipment of these cds normally take?
[08:24] <the--dud> im in a LUG, that plans to have an information stand which gives out free ubuntu cds
[08:25] <Gwildor|Work> the--dud, mine shipped on the 11th, and i got them the 26th
[08:25] <the_gummibear> hmm, mplayer ain't starting up it seems :(
[08:26] <Gwildor|Work> the_gummibear, maybe try to re-install it?
[08:26] <wood1> Hi to all
[08:26] <olorin> the_gummibear , what's the problem with mplayer ?
[08:26] <wood1> Amaranth, I am again facing problems with:  apt-get
[08:26] <ViN86> what fs do most of you all use? ext3 or what?
[08:27] <the--dud> when i ordered yesterday, i suppose its optimistic to hope the batch will arrive before the 18th of december
[08:27] <the_gummibear> hmm, the problem is gmplayer.. mplayer works :) but it seems he can't load the skin..
[08:27] <Gwildor|Work> wood1, whats the problem?
[08:27] <ViN86> the_gummibear: no default skin is installed
[08:27] <wood1> Can somebody help me out with the errors while updating: samba
[08:27] <the_gummibear> i feel smart again :$
[08:27] <ViN86> you have to download and install one yourself, check the tutorial ;)
[08:28] <the_gummibear> have on downed already :)
[08:28] <the_gummibear> thx
[08:28] <ViN86> it find it?
[08:28] <ViN86> it didnt find mine, i had to rename the dir to 'default'
[08:28] <ViN86> then it loaded it
[08:28] <the_gummibear> need to copy it to the right dir :)
[08:28] <ViN86> yet, my vid out still doesnt work, heh
[08:28] <wood1> Gwildor, I am getting these errors:   dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[08:29] <Gwildor|Work> wood1, no idea, and im not at my ubuntu box to try and help...sorry
[08:30] <wood1> Why am I getting these errors:    samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.1) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2 is installed
[08:30] <moquist> who are the Ubuntu devs here?
[08:30] <Gwildor|Work> thats probably why
[08:30] <wood1> Well the problem is that I can't remove samba too
[08:30] <Gwildor|Work> hmmm
[08:30] <olorin> wood1, apt-get install -f
[08:31] <wood1> Is there a way out ?
[08:31] <Gwildor|Work> moquist, there are a few......just ask
[08:31] <ViN86> lol what did he just ask then?
[08:31] <wood1> olorin, apt-get -f install did now help
[08:31] <darren> Does anyone know the dir that firefox is installed to?
[08:31] <crimsun> darren: what do you mean?
[08:32] <crimsun> darren: the executable script? the binary? ...
[08:32] <olorin> darren , /usr/bin/firefox
[08:32] <moquist> Gwildor|Work: i'm wondering what areas of Ubuntu dev need help - i.e., where should I direct my attention if I want to contribute to the software?
[08:32] <moquist> darren: /usr/bin/firefox, if that's what you mean.
[08:32] <olorin> darren, ~/.mozilla/firefox for the config files
[08:32] <moquist> olorin: oops, was typing while you posted.  ;)
[08:33] <crimsun> the binary itself is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
[08:33] <Gwildor|Work> moquist, maybe check the bounty board on the ubuntu site?.........and i think jdub and kamion are devs
[08:33] <olorin> darren , in fact /usr/bin/firefox is just a symbolic link
[08:34] <farruinn> moquist, ask in #ubuntu-devel?
[08:34] <moquist> oooo, ubuntu-devel...
[08:34] <moquist> Gwildor|Work, farruinn: thx
[08:34] <darren> I want to install Firefox1.0 so I need to know the dir
[08:35] <farruinn> darren, are you installing via apt?
[08:35] <olorin> darren , you don't need to know the dir to install it
[08:35] <darren> I was going to, but I couldn't find it there
[08:35] <farruinn> that's because it's not in warty, but there are some backports
[08:36] <olorin> darren , just use apt or make a personal dir if you want to test a non ubuntu package
[08:36] <farruinn> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[08:36] <mecca> still cannot get dual head to work :( :(
[08:36] <the_gummibear> ahwel, it still doesn't want to start gmplayer..
[08:37] <farruinn> darren, installing packages via apt from non-debian repos is dangerous enough, but installing in other ways is even more likely to break your system.  If you have to, install extra stuff in /usr/local
[08:37] <njs12345> hmm
[08:37] <wood1> Can someone explain to me what this means => 86.deb) ...
[08:37] <njs12345> I'm following the RestrictedFormats page in the wiki
[08:37] <njs12345> but I can't find "mozilla-mplayer"
[08:37] <wood1> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba ?
[08:38] <Gwildor|Work> njs12345, DID YOU ENABLE universe, multiverse, and marrilat?
[08:38] <olorin> njs12345 ; it's in the multiverse repository
[08:38] <Gwildor|Work> then just multiverse?
[08:38] <njs12345> oh
[08:38] <njs12345> I've not got multiverse
[08:38] <olorin> Gwildor|Work , think so
[08:38] <njs12345> thanks
[08:39] <Gwildor|Work> olorin, im not on my ubuntu box, so i couldnt remember what repo it is in, guess i coulda checked the wiki myself though
[08:40] <the_gummibear> bah, there is no sound with my supertux :(
[08:41] <farruinn> the_gummibear, same here =(  I had sound when I first installed, but don't know what happened
[08:41] <wood1> Where is the src directory in Ubuntu?
[08:41] <wood1> I mean the source directory ?
[08:41] <olorin> wood1 src for what ?
[08:42] <njs12345> mwahahaha
[08:42] <njs12345> thanks
[08:42] <njs12345> mplayer is working now
[08:42] <the_gummibear> njs12345, your gmplayer is working aswel?
[08:42] <wood1> for kernel source
[08:42] <njs12345> yeah, it is
[08:43] <the_gummibear> bah :( then it's something on my machine that's fooking it
[08:43] <olorin> wood1 , /usr/src/ i think
[08:43] <olorin> wood1 , but you have to install the source of the kernel
[08:44] <darren> Does anyone know a repositry with ffox1.0 in? the one on the ubuntu site isn't accessible
[08:44] <farruinn> darren, did you check the link I sent you?
[08:44] <olorin> darren , use the hoary repository
[08:45] <the_gummibear> farruinn, go to the config file of supertux & change it there ;) supertux has sound now :D
[08:45] <olorin> olorin, you can define a default release ( warty ) and you some hoary package
[08:45] <darren> olorin, where do I get that to?
[08:46] <wood1> olorin, do you have some idea why apt-get is not working for me ?
[08:46] <olorin> darren , http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[08:47] <olorin> wood1 , what's the problem again ?
[08:47] <wood1> olorin, please see http://pastebin.com/127600
[08:47] <wood1> somebody please see the link above for my errors
[08:48] <olorin> wood1 , did you try to remove samba and reinstall it ?
[08:48] <olorin> wood1 , with dpkg
[08:49] <wood1> NO
[08:50] <wood1> olorin, any ideas
[08:51] <the_gummibear> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:51] <the_gummibear> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[08:51] <the_gummibear> hmm, can someone have a look what his mplayer.conf says in the skin section?
[08:51] <wood1> dpkg -r samba produces:    invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba
[08:52] <olorin> wood1 , the same problem as with apt ... hum ...
[08:52] <wood1> Almost
[08:52] <tat> hello, i registered myself two days ago to the ubuntu wiki and now i get about 50 mails a day( i do  not realy need them) i'm used to mailinglist trafic but i can't support that, so i tried to logon to the page and stop that somehow, and i found no way to do that. HELP!!! how can i stop taht???
[08:52] <olorin> wood1 , try to rename the link K09samba
[08:52] <wood1> ok
[08:52] <olorin> wood1 , and re-run apt-get install -f
[08:53] <olorin> wood1 , try also /etc/init.d/samba stop and after apt
[08:53] <wood1> ok
[08:53] <the_gummibear> hmm, can someone have a look what his mplayer.conf says in the skin section pls?
[08:56] <wood1> olorin, olorin, olorin, thanks, thanks, you did it !!!!!!!
[08:56] <olorin> wood1 , ;) your welcome
[08:56] <the_gummibear> hmm, can someone have a look what his mplayer.conf says in the skin section pls?
[08:57] <olorin> the_gummibear , where is that exactly ?
[08:57] <the_gummibear> /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:57] <the_gummibear> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:57] <the_gummibear> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[08:57] <wood1> how serious is a Virus threat in Ubuntu ?
[08:58] <olorin> the_gummibear , don't have anything about skins in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ...
[08:58] <Synek> wood1: it's about 0,0 & ;)
[08:58] <mjr> wood1, very low currently
[08:58] <Synek> %
[08:58] <the_gummibear> hmm, this install is strange :p
[08:58] <the_gummibear> thx anyway
[08:58] <tahorg> wood1: it depends on the users
[08:58] <mjr> there aren't many Linux virii, and I don't think any can be found in the wild, really
[08:59] <olorin> the_gummibear , i did it ... hum ... i don't use gmplayer, just mplayer with no gui, it's the reason why
[08:59] <wood1> What about threats from hackers
[08:59] <mjr> that depends pretty much on how many network services you install
[08:59] <Asako> hello
[09:00] <blackout> i'm trying to get a sense of the security of sudo vs a regular superuser
[09:00] <the_gummibear> yeah, normally i use mplayer aswel.. but it's if there are other peepz on my pc (who're normally using windows)
[09:00] <mjr> though of course there may be some client-side exploits too, free browsers aren't immune
[09:00] <blackout> seems less secure in practical application, than alling, say, su, with no root logins
[09:00] <Asako> does anybody know if I can download a boot floppy for the ubuntu install?
[09:00] <Asako> my system won't boot the cd
[09:00] <olorin> wood1 , if your distro is up to date ... there is no serious problem
[09:00] <blackout> any thoughts, comments?
[09:00] <wood1> I went to a grc.com site and tested the most common ports which revealed Port 113 was open
[09:00] <blackout> seems like having a second password to do important things would be another layer of security added...
[09:01] <tahorg> blackout: why, because stealing the root pass is harder than stealing your user pass ?
[09:01] <blackout> tahorg, it is if you seldom type it in.  Say, use sudo for a lot of things, like apt-get, but don't let any user do everything but root
[09:01] <tahorg> If someone is able to steal you user pass, it might be the same for your root pass
[09:01] <mjr> blackout, if the root user is compromised, the attacker can simply wait until he does su and sniff the password
[09:01] <mirak> hi
[09:01] <mirak> I want to dual boot linux and windows
[09:01] <blackout> mjr, okay, but not if a user is
[09:01] <mirak> windows is on the slave drive
[09:01] <mjr> and by root user I mean the normal account of the administrator from where he su's
[09:02] <tahorg> blackout: of course, you have to restrain the sudo
[09:02] <mirak> but I can't make lilo boot on it
[09:02] <blackout> tahorg, but doesn't ubuntu leave it wide open?
[09:02] <blackout> tahorg, /etc/sudoers, with someonelisted as ALL?
[09:02] <mjr> wood1, that's the ident service, rather well-believed to be secure
[09:02] <wood1> blackout, to cut the story short, what's your main point ?
[09:02] <tahorg> blackout: I've switch to ubuntu from sid
[09:02] <tahorg> blackout: in my debian that was'nt the case
[09:03] <wood1> Are you in flavour of sudo or not ?
[09:03] <blackout> tahorg, nor in mine
[09:03] <blackout> wood1, i'm trying to figure it out
[09:03] <oly> eeek, i just set up ubuntu to use dual displays with different seperate screens ut how do i access the second screen ? :p
[09:03] <blackout> wood1, but i can't see how it could be as secure
[09:03] <oly> i can see a desktop but i can not move my mouse onto it :p
[09:03] <blackout> wood1, more convenient, yes
[09:03] <mjr> oly, perhaps you have the monitors set up the wrong way, try to move your mouse over the other edge of the screen?
[09:03] <tahorg> blackout: well, running all in root, a browser for example is really bad
[09:03] <blackout> wood1, esp. if you go NOPASSWD
[09:03] <the_gummibear> damnit, other mplayer problem.. if i go fullscreen mode then the movie ain't fullscreen, it just adds 'black' around the movie
[09:03] <blackout> tahorg, of course
[09:04] <tahorg> blackout: the use of sudo helps the user to install/update with the same pass
[09:04] <wood1> oly, maybe you are using a serial mouse
[09:04] <blackout> tahorg, but isn't sensible root usage > no root, just sudo, with all access for one user?
[09:04] <eruin> the_gummibear: why don't you just use totem-xine ?
[09:04] <blackout> tahorg, but why not just allow them acess to apt-get, apt-file, etc.?
[09:04] <the_gummibear> dunno, never did :p
[09:04] <oly> nope nneither side works
[09:04] <the_gummibear> i can give it atry
[09:04] <oly> and its a usb mouse
[09:04] <eruin> I've never had a problem with totemxine
[09:04] <tahorg> blackout: I don't know :)
[09:04] <blackout> tahorg, that's how i run my sudo... anything i acutally need to do as root often, i put in sudoers
[09:05] <oly> all i can think is perhaps i need a second mouse for the second display
[09:05] <blackout> tahorg, anything else, i leave out, so that someone can't get my pass and go nuts on my machine
[09:05] <oly> but that was never the case in windows
[09:05] <mjr> oly, well, then something very weird is going on. You are running just one dual-head-configured X server and not two on separate heads, aren't you?
[09:05] <tahorg> blackout: btw if you give access to apt-get, user can do about everything
[09:05] <the_gummibear> hmm, it needs to remove ubuntu-desktop to install that..
[09:05] <wood1> hey gummibear, you want to configure the GUI version of mplayer ?
[09:05] <the_gummibear> is that bad? or can i just remove that?
[09:05] <the_gummibear> idd wood1
[09:05] <blackout> tahorg, how's that?  He can't read files, etc...
[09:05] <oly> its a dual head card but seperate displays rather than one big desktop
[09:05] <the_gummibear> but it's says it's compiled without GUI support
[09:06] <Kirsch> hey guys, does anyone here use VMWare with Ubuntu?
[09:06] <tahorg> blackout: he can install his own package
[09:06] <mjr> oly, yes, but are you running a separate X server for the other screen or not?
[09:06] <mjr> 'cause you don't want to do that
[09:06] <oly> yeah
[09:06] <mjr> well, there's your problem then
[09:06] <blackout> tahorg, true... but not really.  HE can't modify /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <oly> its the onlyt way to set it up how i want that i know of
[09:06] <Dabian> I want to map my meta key, so my system doesn't confuse meta and alt - which line do I put in XF86Config-4 ?
[09:06] <tahorg> which can, for example, add his user in /etc/sudoers
[09:06] <Asako> are there any boot floppies for the installer?
[09:07] <zerokarmaleft_> Kirsch, i use VMware
[09:07] <blackout> tahorg, i'm sure you can reconfigure things to misbehave, however
[09:07] <wood1> Does anybody know how clam anti virus works ?
[09:07] <Dabian> wood1: Yes.
[09:07] <Asako> it scans files?
[09:07] <oly> is there a way to make the mouse go between screens like you can do in nvidias twinview ?
[09:08] <blackout> well, if anyone runs across any good links expounding the virtues of sudo vs sensible root usage, i'd love to see it.
[09:08] <oly> i basically want a desktop per monitor thats all
[09:08] <mjr> oly, yes, configure your X server use the two heads
[09:08] <tahorg> blackout: might be, yes
[09:08] <the_gummibear> totem-xine works fine :)
[09:08] <the_gummibear> thx a lot
[09:08] <blackout> i've been looking.
[09:08] <mjr> instead of running two X servers
[09:08] <wood1> Dabian, tell me something about clam av
[09:08] <oly> okay, any inffo on how i would do that
[09:08] <oly> like a link ?
[09:08] <mjr> oly, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/ might be useful
[09:09] <blackout> and i'm assuming Ubuntu does security updates to everything, as necessary?
[09:09] <Dabian> blackout: I think there is even a howto on it .. isn't there something about it in /usr/share/doc/sudo ?  Actually I think the most usefull thing, is that it remembers the root password, unless you're multiple users.
[09:09] <oly> okay thanks mjr, youve been very helpful :P
[09:09] <tahorg> blackout: sudo against su for one command are almost the same
[09:09] <oly> i will see what i can do
[09:09] <mjr> oly, and if you don't like the Xinerama mode (since it provides one virtual desktop over the two screens), you can just comment out the Xinerama option line and the rest will work with the displays being separate
[09:09] <Dabian> blackout: There is also the issue with X programs .. but I am not clever.
[09:09] <tahorg> blackout: but I really prefere no shell as root
[09:10] <oly> ah excellent thats what i want :)
[09:10] <mjr> right; but otherwise follow the instructions there :)
[09:10] <blackout> tahorg, yes, but sudo with NO ROOT USER is very different
[09:11] <blackout> Dabian, that is very useful, and i totally agree that sudo will full access is a very userful thing
[09:11] <blackout> Dabian, i'm wondering about the security.
[09:11] <Dabian> Nobody wants to help me?
[09:11] <Dabian> blackout: Well, with sudu you can limit access .. root == full access, no?
[09:11] <blackout> tahorg, but, once you sudo, EVERY shell is root.
[09:11] <Dabian> (lest you run se-linux or stuff)
[09:12] <Dabian> blackout: Lest you do not allow shell with sudo.
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, but Ubuntu doesn't do that.
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, Ubuntu allows EVERYTHING
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, no limit
[09:12] <Dabian> blackout: Ubuntu does what you command it to.
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, and if you limit, then you have to have a root user, so that the limited things can be done.
[09:12] <Dabian> blackout: Defaults are there to be changed, although they better be sane.
[09:12] <blackout> Dabian, and now you're back to using sudo for somethings, so my original question stands
[09:13] <Dabian> blackout: Nah .. you can do it with sudo, no?
[09:13] <blackout> is there a good defense of full sudo access vs root user?
[09:13] <blackout> Dabian, what?
[09:13] <blackout> Dabian, missed what you were trying to communicate with the last one
[09:13] <Amaranth> blackout: not running commands as root unless you actually mean to
[09:13] <Dabian> blackout: root-shell == root-shell, I guess .. sudo logs better .. but root can do much.
[09:13] <blackout> Dabian, so can any user with full sudo.
[09:14] <Dabian> blackout: Exactly my point.
[09:14] <Amaranth> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:14] <Dabian> blackout: sudo with shell == root .. in some ways.
[09:14] <mjr> Amaranth, thank you, I was just looking for that link...
[09:14] <blackout> Amaranth, thanks, i'll look at that.
[09:14] <Dabian> blackout: But you can configure sudo to only allow some users that power.
[09:15] <Dabian> blackout: Then maybe your backup staff has access to run backup utilities as root etc.
[09:15] <blackout> Dabian, sure... but with root, only one gets it - even more secure.  and if you use sudo, you can give some people a subset
[09:15] <blackout> Dabian, no, you just give them root over what they need
[09:15] <mecca> whats the gui for cdrecord called :\
[09:15] <Dabian> blackout: But be carefull .. everytime you give someone power .. they are more likely be able to extend that power.
[09:15] <hwm> When I invoke mozilla, there is an excessive delay.  When I invoke it from the command line, I get back: "Error: No running window found " and then "
[09:16] <hwm> auto selected locale: en-US, followed shortly by cz-service: No windows, starting new one.  Then mozillla opens.  How do I fix this?
[09:18] <hwm> also, has anyone installed the sun jre into ubuntu and can tell me what, if anything, I need besides running the self extractor.
[09:18] <Dabian> hwm: javahome
[09:18] <jcole> since qt is evil, will the next release of ubuntu (which is supposed to have kde support), going to have a "without qt evilness" version?
[09:18] <Dabian> hwm: Sun's webpage has an exelent instruction
[09:18] <olorin> hwm , i did it
[09:18] <Dabian> hwm: Also, the readme is good.
[09:20] <blackout> Amaranth, excellent link - explains the Ubuntu position.  After reading it, I think it's a bad enough idea that the install should present both options, but it does ahere to the Ubuntu tenets of being easy to use.
[09:21] <grumbel> simple newbie question, I am I right in my assumption that ubuntu is basically a debian testing + security updates + a handfull of fixes/new software here and there?
[09:22] <fga> hello
[09:22] <mjr> grumbel, and some further integration and polishing and stuff
[09:22] <hwm> I just read the README and can find no installation instruction in it.  I do find a lot of information about java in general.
[09:22] <blackout> grumbel, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[09:22] <blackout> grumbel, should explain it all
[09:22] <olorin> hwm , sh file.bin
[09:22] <Dabian> grumbel: Easier install.
[09:22] <Dabian> grumbel: Better GNOME.
[09:22] <Dabian> etc.
[09:22] <Dabian> Paid developers.
[09:22] <fga> is someone familiar with acpi ?
[09:23] <BockBilbo> hello
[09:23] <Dabian> fga: Yes.
[09:23] <wood1> Amaranth, do you remember about the PC Clustering thing using openMosix, why is that project so outdated ?
[09:23] <Dabian> fga: Someone is.
[09:23] <wood1> openMosix hardly supports the 2.6.8 kernel
[09:23] <BockBilbo> Amaranth, im finally going to install ubuntu
[09:23] <fga> Dabian: sure :) i was thinking about someone here now
[09:24] <hwm> olorin: ?? sh file.bin?
[09:24] <BockBilbo> im so tired of trying to configure debian
[09:24] <BockBilbo> ...
[09:24] <Ribs> BockBilbo: Good choice
[09:24] <Ribs> I've fallen in love with this distro
[09:24] <BockBilbo> does anyone know if ubuntu detects the intel pro wireless card that comes with the centrinos
[09:24] <BockBilbo> thanks Ribs
[09:24] <olorin> hwm , did you download the .bin file from java/sun ?
[09:24] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:24] <Dabian> BockBilbo: Yeah .. someone knows.
[09:25] <BockBilbo> Dabian, what do you mean?
[09:25] <hwm> yes, and I chmod 755 and ran it - it ran me through the license agreement, I said yes and it did stuff.  is that it?  we're done now?
[09:25] <olorin> hwm , yes ...
[09:25] <olorin> just add the jre/bin/ in your $path
[09:26] <Dabian> BockBilbo: Well .. people has been working on the install .. it would be strange if noone had any idea.
[09:26] <BockBilbo> ohh
[09:26] <BockBilbo> (y)
[09:26] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:26] <Dabian> :)
[09:26] <BockBilbo> is it just one installation cd???
[09:26] <hwm> olorin:  that always confuses me...  how do I add a default path in root?
[09:27] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, yup
[09:27] <BockBilbo> im downloading warty-realease-install-i386
[09:27] <olorin> hwm , why as root ?
[09:27] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, thats the one
[09:27] <BockBilbo> i guess thats the newest release, right?
[09:27] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:27] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, yup
[09:27] <Ribs> newest stable release, yeah
[09:27] <olorin> hwm , why did you install jre ? for the mozilla plugin ?
[09:27] <Ribs> well, newest release at all really
[09:27] <hwm> olorin:  ie add /jre/bin to the root environment - because I am running an installer that is making a VM and I need to run that as root
[09:27] <Gwildor|Work> BockBilbo, you can go to hoary......but there is no iso for it..........but change tyour source.list
[09:28] <BockBilbo> what is hoary?
[09:28] <BockBilbo> a newer release?
[09:28] <olorin> PATH=$PATH:/....../jre/bin/
[09:28] <olorin> BockBilbo , hoary is the unstable branch of ubuntu
[09:28] <olorin> BockBilbo , always in developpement
[09:28] <BockBilbo> ohh
[09:29] <BockBilbo> like sid on debian
[09:29] <BockBilbo> right???
[09:29] <blackout> how do security updates work in Ubuntu?  All packages in universe supported, or just main desktop?
[09:29] <crimsun> only Hoary will release. Sid won't.
[09:29] <Dabian> hoary?  What does that mean?
[09:29] <blackout> and does universe contain all debian packages, or just most?
[09:29] <Dabian> crimsun: Debian unstable started out like that.
[09:29] <Dabian> IIRC.
[09:29] <olorin> BockBilbo, it(s quite more unstable but it's the same idea
[09:29] <crimsun> blackout: only main. universe only contains a subset.
[09:30] <BockBilbo> ohh i see
[09:30] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:30] <BockBilbo> but.. for example.. what gnome version does warty have?
[09:30] <BockBilbo> 2.6??
[09:30] <crimsun> 2.8
[09:30] <BockBilbo> or 2.8?
[09:30] <BockBilbo> wow
[09:30] <olorin> BockBilbo , 2.8
[09:30] <blackout> crimsun, so if you run universe, you're pretty much totally unsecure?
[09:30] <olorin> BockBilbo , 2.8.1
[09:30] <BockBilbo> and hoary?
[09:30] <BockBilbo> wow..
[09:30] <olorin> BockBilbo , 2.9.1
[09:30] <BockBilbo> i see..
[09:31] <BockBilbo> sid just has 2.8
[09:31] <BockBilbo> i think
[09:31] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:31] <blackout> crimsun, and how much a subset is it?  50% 25% 75%?
[09:31] <BockBilbo> well... ill have the instalation cd in about 15 minutes
[09:31] <olorin> BockBilbo , so hoary is more unstable than sid
[09:31] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:31] <crimsun> blackout: no, because Sid receives updates (not branded security except in changelogs), and universe receives the relevant ones from Sid's pool
[09:31] <BockBilbo> yes
[09:31] <Asako> hoary is a bad name
[09:31] <BockBilbo> i guess ubuntu uses lilo as bootscreen right?
[09:31] <BockBilbo> or grub
[09:31] <catdog> I'm confused. Will the unstable branch remain being called hoary, or will hoary eventually become the latest stable with the creation of a new unstable?
[09:32] <catdog> Or am I more confused than i think i am?
[09:32] <Asako> I wish my computer would boot the ubuntu cd
[09:32] <Asako> maybe my bios is screwy
[09:32] <crimsun> catdog: Hoary will be released as the next stable.
[09:32] <blackout> crimsun, ah... gotcha.
[09:32] <nuOpus> hey does anyone know of a script for xchat that will automatically identify when I log into freenode?
[09:32] <BockBilbo> crimsun, so just like in debian
[09:32] <catdog> crimsun: thanks
[09:32] <olorin> BockBilbo , grub
[09:32] <Ribs> BockBilbo: I suggest you stick with stable for now
[09:32] <BockBilbo> right?
[09:32] <blackout> crimsun, and i take it, developers work to make sure they get into Ubuntu quickly, or is it like a 3-4 day delay thing?
[09:32] <Ribs> pureley 'cos you may end up with a broken system as stuff gets updates
[09:32] <hazmat> nuOpus, its built into xchat, see the server list esttings
[09:32] <crimsun> nuOpus: you don't need a script. It's built into the connect dialog
[09:32] <Ribs> updated*
[09:32] <BockBilbo> Ribs, i will
[09:33] <Amaranth> blackout: they use the autobuild system
[09:33] <BockBilbo> perhaps the stable version of ubuntu looks more like the unstable version of debian
[09:33] <Ribs> I am in fact in the process of 'downgrading' :)
[09:33] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:33] <Amaranth> and build their own packages from that
[09:33] <nuOpus> oh
[09:33] <nuOpus> LOL should have looked further
[09:33] <Ribs> BockBilbo: The great thing is that the next stable version will have Gnome 2.10
[09:33] <Ribs> even tho it will only be a few days old :)
[09:33] <BockBilbo> ohh
[09:33] <Dabian>  "altwin:meta_win".
[09:33] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:33] <Dabian> thats the right answer
[09:33] <Ribs> Ubuntu has the six month update thing, which strict release dates
[09:33] <Dabian> now I just need to know where to put it.
[09:34] <Ribs> just like Gnome does :)
[09:34] <crimsun> blackout: as Amaranth said, it's automatically built. Because the updates run every 30 minutes, sometimes Hoary will have the updated packages before Sid does.
[09:34] <BockBilbo> welll.. so.. now... tell me.. any of yoy know if ubuntu detects automatically the intel pro wireless card ??
[09:34] <blackout> crimsun, excellent.
[09:34] <Amaranth> btw, warty's universe repository doesn't recieve _any_ updates
[09:34] <blackout> Amaranth, thanks - that's important.
[09:34] <Amaranth> if you want to use universe you pretty much have to use the development version
[09:34] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: warty doesn't detect it automagically.  Hoary should when it's released.
[09:35] <olorin> hwm , just add PATH=$PATH:/... in your .bashrc
[09:35] <blackout> Amaranth, huh?
[09:35] <BockBilbo> and when will hoary be released???
[09:35] <blackout> Amaranth, use the stable or unstable version?
[09:35] <Amaranth> blackout: Using the stable version of Ubuntu (warty) with universe is a bad idea.
[09:35] <driftwolf> ok, so ubunto really rocks. full install, and only one problem. Do I just yell out my question, or is there a queue? ;-)
[09:35] <crimsun> driftwolf: yell.
[09:35] <olorin> hwm , no space between : and /
[09:35] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: April
[09:35] <olive_> yop
[09:35] <BockBilbo> ironwolf, ???
[09:35] <olorin> hwm PATH=$PATH:/
[09:35] <BockBilbo> ok
[09:35] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:35] <Amaranth> blackout: Using the unstable version (hoary) can be a bad idea overall if you don't know what you're doing.
[09:35] <driftwolf> cool. how the heck do I get my mouse working in X?  Everything else works.
[09:36] <BockBilbo> but well.. till then ill try setting it upo
[09:36] <blackout> Amaranth, why is warty bad with Universe?
[09:36] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:36] <crimsun> driftwolf: what type of mouse?
[09:36] <douglas> gnome
[09:36] <Amaranth> blackout: Because warty's universe is frozen.
[09:36] <blackout> Amaranth, sorry
[09:36] <douglas> sorry
[09:36] <olive_> have a quest on unbutu and apt-get please :-)
[09:36] <blackout> Amaranth, you already answered that
[09:36] <driftwolf> using MS USB mouse plugged in through 4-port KVM switch using PS/2 to USB converter
[09:36] <olorin> olive_ , just ask
[09:36] <ironwolf> hoary is a development release.  Sometimes it breaks, sometimes it breaks bad.  It's part of being a development release. :)
[09:36] <blackout> Amaranth, wow... so, you either run with a very limited subset of packages, or you run unsecured and unstable?
[09:36] <driftwolf> microsoft optical mouse, fwiw.
[09:37] <crimsun> driftwolf: may well be the kvm causing problems.
[09:37] <BockBilbo> xDDD
[09:37] <Amaranth> blackout: Run with a limited subset of packages (warty), run unsecured (warty w/universe), or run unstable (hoary).
[09:37] <BockBilbo> so well.. tell me... where does ubuntu take the sources from for apt?
[09:37] <BockBilbo> debian?
[09:37] <ironwolf> blackout: warty was the first ever release of ubuntu.  I imagine that the  missing packages will be resolved in time.
[09:37] <olive_> well i'm newbee on debian and i want to install a paquage that is in my folder ...
[09:37] <Amaranth> BockBilbo: It pulls from sid for most of the packages, yes.
[09:38] <olorin> olive_ , what type of package ?
[09:38] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: ubuntu has it's own souces.
[09:38] <olorin> olive_ , a .deb ?
[09:38] <BockBilbo> ok
[09:38] <ermo> olive_, are you sure, that's what you want to do?
[09:38] <Amaranth> olive_: That'd be sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb
[09:38] <olive_> amsn..deb
[09:38] <BockBilbo> wow..
[09:38] <BockBilbo> how long has ubuntu been out?
[09:38] <olive_> yop apt-get work with ftp source
[09:38] <crimsun> BockBilbo: since october
[09:38] <blackout> ironwolf, i sure hope so, because this is absolutely not a good soln for me.  I guess i'll have to stick with Debian.
[09:38] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: 10.04 was the first stable release.
[09:38] <olorin> olive_ , why not ' sudo apt-get install amsn ' ?
[09:38] <olive_> not in my folder ... argl
[09:38] <driftwolf> ok, so it's the kvm. anyone have any ideas how I should fix this? I've looked at /etc/X11/X86Config-4 but it looks kinda ok. I'm no expert with XFree though.
[09:38] <blackout> this sure is a cool experiment though.
[09:39] <olive_> i am in root
[09:39] <BockBilbo> so... its relatively new
[09:39] <BockBilbo> right?
[09:39] <ironwolf> blackout: give the liveCD a spin, see if you like it.  Then, if you need more than what's in Wary, load Hoary in < 6 months.
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, i already do... lots of heimdal, ldap, nss stuff
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, Hoary is including more stuff?
[09:40] <olive_> it search in sources.list i think
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, news to me, thanks.
[09:40] <catdog> When hoary is released will hoary/universe become unsupported?
[09:40] <ironwolf> blackout: is universe and multiverse in your sources?
[09:40] <nuOpus> dont smart upgrade hoary for at least a couple of days though
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, that's my point - i'm running debian now.  I won't run Ubuntu devel, it's too unstalbe
[09:40] <ironwolf> Universe and multiverse by definition are unsupported.
[09:40] <blackout> ironwolf, but i need good security.
[09:41] <hwm> olorin:  sorry to be so thick.  Provided that /usr/local/src/jre-1_4_2_06/j2re1.4.2_06/bin is my jre/bin , what specifically do I need to add to my .bashrc?  I tried your suggestion, but it still would not find anything in that bin dir
[09:41] <blackout> ironwolf, so i can't run packages not alreay in warty.
[09:41] <ironwolf> blackout: try the warty LiveCD
[09:41] <blackout> ironwolf, why's that?  More packages?
[09:41] <nuOpus> blackout: Have had no problems with hoary ... Like lots better than warty
[09:41] <ironwolf> blackout: warty has a universe and multiverse....
[09:41] <blackout> ironwolf, and a live CD reallyisn't a good desktop soln.
[09:41] <olive_> arglll it don't want to take the local package !!!
[09:41] <BockBilbo> what is universe??
[09:41] <hwm> and don't I need somewhere an EXPORT command?
[09:41] <Ribs> BockBilbo: aka. 'space'
[09:41] <nuOpus> BUT right now GNOME is switching to a new menu system and adding xmenus so right now you will lose the ubuntu computer menu and go back to default
[09:42] <Ribs> That black stuff you see when you look up at night
[09:42] <nuOpus> they say they will fix it soon though
[09:42] <Ribs> That's the universe
[09:42] <Ribs> well, some of it
[09:42] <BockBilbo> Ribs hehe
[09:42] <BockBilbo> xDDD
[09:42] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: universe is a place where unsupported stuff lives, but stuff you want.  mp3 encoders/decoders, etc.
[09:42] <BockBilbo> ohhh
[09:42] <BockBilbo> .....
[09:42] <blackout> ironwolf, Amaranth - thanks, you've been very helpful.  It's a bit disappointed that Ubuntu can't do what i'm looking for right now, but with a helpful community, i'll give it another look in 6 months.
[09:42] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: Multiverse is the same, only mirrored less, things like a full mplayer, codecs, etc are in multiverse
[09:43] <blackout> or soon, if i don't care about breakages.
[09:43] <BockBilbo> im a bit confused...
[09:43] <ironwolf> blackout: your always welcome. :)
[09:43] <BockBilbo> this is like getting into the matrix
[09:43] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:43] <BockBilbo> :)
[09:43] <BockBilbo> brb
[09:43] <ironwolf> BockBilbo: how can we fix your confusion?
[09:44] <BockBilbo> gonna burn the instalation cd
[09:44] <BockBilbo> ironwolf, one sex
[09:44] <BockBilbo> *sec
[09:44] <BockBilbo> lol
[09:45] <BockBilbo> im back
[09:45] <BockBilbo> the cd is been burning... im a bit nervous
[09:45] <olive_> Amaranth, i'll try it now
[09:46] <BockBilbo> ironwolf... so.. could we say that the universe are those sources you add to sources.list to access sources not listed in the official sources???
[09:47] <olive_> Amaranth, WoW dpkg don't take link ?
[09:48] <vpalle> are there any alternative desktop pagers for gnome, i would like to be able to move the windows through the pager like in fvwm
[09:48] <oly> W00t!! dual screens i am one happy person :)