[08:25] <yeager> mdke: seems like there are a couple of new strings in gnome's user-guide
[08:26] <mdke> yeager: ah, I see what you mean now. Yes, I think they are probably the fixes from upstream for broken links
[08:27] <mdke> yeager: they shouldn't affect translations - with the translations the links will still be broken but the language remains the same
[08:30] <yeager> for example, "<guilabel>Centered</guilabel>: Displays the image in the middle of the desktop, respecting the image's original size."
[08:31] <mdke> hmm. no idea about that
[08:32] <mdke> possibly it came from upstream and I missed it. We haven't added any strings
[08:32] <mdke> maybe it is a correction to an existing string
[08:34] <yeager> yeah, upstream changed those strings on the 9th of April
[08:39] <mdke> yeager: i see. well i apologise for that, but it shouldn't affect translations I don't think - they should still work
[08:43] <mdke> yeager: but feel free to translate them in LP and we'll roll a translation update after release
[08:46] <yeager> mdke: ok, thanks. owe you a pint :)
[08:47] <mdke> yeager: no worries. make sure (although I know you will) to send the translations upstream too
[08:48]  * mdke goes to work
[17:35] <Zedde> Hello enyone know here I can come in contact with  Pedrom ?
[17:35] <Zedde> Grrr
[17:36] <Zedde> Hello Anyone here that knows where how I can get in contact with  Pedrom ?
[17:36] <Zedde> it's about the LiveCD/Persistence artical
[18:06] <mhz> moin all
[18:09] <mhz> I know I can sound  be a pain in the neck with this, but how far are we to get  an upgraded Moin instance (1.7, hopefully). I mean, is there any chance we can plan a migration to a newer Moin version. I know there is lot of things involved for this but it is doable. I have even talked to Thomas Waldemann (lead Moin devel) and he's so happy with Ubuntu that he's available to help Ubuntu migration to a new Moin  version.
[18:11] <sommer> mhz: I think the process has started: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2008-April/010711.html
[18:26] <mhz> sommer: thx, I have just replied the email
[18:26] <sommer> mhz: cool
[22:14]  * mdke evenings


[08:00] <bkerensa> slangasek: so can a debian experimental branch have a stable released version in it? If so I might nudge for PuppetLabs to update the experimental branch in Debian so we can sync that down.
[10:08] <bkerensa> Bug #840673
[10:08] <lubotu1`> bug 840673 in xchat (Ubuntu) "Please package high-res icons" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840673
[16:32] <slangasek> bkerensa: it certainly can, yes


[00:11] <nacc> Bashing-om: yep, that's the goal (and wrappig them with our tool, so you have to know less, but can still contribute changes)
[00:26] <Bashing-om> nacc: I am all for contributing -- but I am struggling - right now - to keep this old hardware chugg'n along .
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-outs-important-linux-kernel-updates-for-all-supported-ubuntu-releases-518001.shtml
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> all update systems :p
[06:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader all good there?
[06:11] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje . Doing good here. How are you?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> great on my side, almost weekend :p
[06:12] <lordievader> Indeed :)
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> someone really mad at ubuntu lol, wiki ddos, pm spams,ddos,..
[06:25] <ducasse> good morning all!
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> heyy ducasse
[06:26] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje :)
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: lol https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-over-1-6-million-what-this-means-for-you/
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> new targets
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> $10m = Run Android applications in isolation on the Librem 5
[06:29] <ducasse> yeah, i doubt _that's_ going to happen in this round :) probably a bit too optimistic :)
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> 2019...
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> at that time everyone has bought an iphone X
[06:30] <ducasse> that's when the phone will be ready?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> 2019 or before thats what i read yea
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/security-and-privacy-focused-librem-5-linux-smartphone-successfully-crowdfunded-517967.shtml
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> ill stay on ubports for now
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> bbl breakfast
[06:35] <ducasse> ok, enjoy
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> bbl work, have a nice1
[08:56] <EriC^^> morning all
[08:56] <EriC^^> ducasse o/
[09:39] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, all well? made any more pizza lately? :)
[09:40] <EriC^^> hey ducasse , pretty good, not really
[09:40] <EriC^^> i've been working on the damned youtube site lately, ugh
[09:41] <EriC^^> i need it to work a little and make like $300/month
[09:42] <EriC^^> and i dont like programming that much so yeah
[09:42] <EriC^^> i hope it makes a little money after all this effort
[09:43] <EriC^^> i just need like 10,000 pageviews / day
[09:44] <EriC^^> what about you? how's it going?
[09:45] <ducasse> i have zero idea how likely that is to work, i stay as far away from web stuff as possible :)
[09:48] <EriC^^> i have no idea either, i hope there's enough people wondering what the song is in the video and can't find it in the comments easily that they'll use the site, or need some other info about the video
[09:48] <EriC^^> i'm going to write a robot that is going to spam the living shit out of it
[09:48] <EriC^^> lol
[09:49] <EriC^^> click on the videos, write a comment about the site, then go to another video
[09:50] <EriC^^> i'm wondering though a lot about how a person can let a site survive a lot of clicks
[09:51] <EriC^^> i tried currently, and with 12 tabs running the site, the server ran out of the 1gb memory
[09:52] <EriC^^> now i'm going to rewrite the whole fetching system, so that it checks if the comments already were downloaded by someone, and displays them with a refresh button, also while downloading it has to put them in a temp dir and when it's done copy it to the official place
[09:53] <EriC^^> and i'm going to put a comment limit, like above 2000comments it'll say it can't do that many
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:58] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[09:59] <BluesKaj> Hi EriC^^
[09:59] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[10:00] <BluesKaj> o/ ducasse
[10:08] <BluesKaj> how's everyone doing today ?
[10:13] <ducasse> quiet...
[10:13] <ducasse> finally a bit of sunshine, though
[10:15] <BluesKaj> having a cold snap here, autumn has finally arrived
[18:05] <EriC^^> hey immu
[18:05] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[18:07] <immu> hey eric
[18:07] <immu> i am cool, having kellogs and tried
[18:07] <immu> tired
[18:08] <immu> u
[18:08] <EriC^^> cool
[18:09] <EriC^^> eating icecream and playing some ps4
[18:09] <EriC^^> damn keeps kicking me out
[18:10] <EriC^^> latency too high
[18:11] <immu> is it
[18:12] <immu> which icecream
[18:12] <oerheks> B&J ??
[18:12] <EriC^^> mcflurry with oreo chips
[18:13] <EriC^^> kind of reminds me of baskin robbins, i dont know if that company still exists anymore, was good though
[18:13] <EriC^^> i had it in the fridge since the afternoon, so it's not soft and stuff anymore, pretty rigid, tastes better i think
[18:14] <EriC^^> what's B&J?
[18:15] <EriC^^> never seen that brand here, looks good though
[18:15] <EriC^^> immu: do you have tacobell in dubai?
[18:18] <immu> Basking robbins is very much alive here. EriC^^
[18:19] <immu> did you get your icecream from Mcdonalds?
[18:21] <EriC^^> immu: yeah
[18:21] <immu> ok cool
[18:22] <EriC^^> do you guys have tacobell there?
[18:22] <immu> yes
[18:22] <EriC^^> cool
[18:22] <EriC^^> do arabs eat at it also or just people from outside the country?
[18:22] <EriC^^> i mean like a large majority of arabs
[18:23] <EriC^^> we dont have tacobell here, i wonder why they dont open, pizzahut 's company is the same one that owns tacobell, there's pizzahut here since ages but no tacobell or any mexican fast food restaurants yet
[18:23] <immu> every one eats what they like all nationalities :)
[18:24] <EriC^^> yeah i know, i mean like statistically
[18:24] <immu> and i haven
[18:24] <immu> i haven
[18:24] <immu> havent had tacobell food yet
[18:24] <EriC^^> i wonder if they made a study and found like most arabs wouldn't eat mexican fast food so they didn't bother opening it here
[18:24] <immu> locals or nationals or people of UAE
[19:38]  * nacc thinks it should be autoban for someone who says "I am only spamming because <someone else> was spamming"
[19:38] <nacc> oerheks: --^
[19:40] <Ben64> yeah
[19:41] <leftyfb> that new join should be fun when they decide to speak
[19:46] <oerheks> lonely kids ..
[20:29] <xangua> Well we have "tacos árabes"
[20:30] <oerheks> If they would offer dutch tacos, i hop on a plane
[20:30] <oerheks> :-D
[20:34] <xangua> Or you can come and mix Dutch and Mexican cuisine like Arabs did!
[20:35] <oerheks> hmm .. brussels sprouts taco ..
[20:36] <Ben64> people suck
[20:36] <nacc> Ben64: yep
[20:36] <Ben64> can't reboot a server
[20:36] <Ben64> what kind of crap is that
[20:37] <oerheks> i told that it was a not valid reason, then i walked my dog
[20:38] <oerheks> then xangua made me feel hungry again
 i have too many opened servers
 and i cant stop it
[20:38] <Ben64> that's the 'reason'
[20:38] <oerheks> really important server, it is .. 10 users
[20:38] <nacc> yeah and it's not clear what that meanns
[20:38] <nacc> are too many people logged into server? is it runningn too many important processes?
[20:38] <nacc> and if the latter, does everyone using those processes know that they are vulnerable?
[20:39] <Ben64> if it was more like, oh i can't reboot now, but i can in a few hrs
[20:39] <Ben64> then it'd be cool
[20:39] <oerheks> more space for my users .. buy a bigger computer-case
[20:39] <oerheks> .. wait
[20:39] <nacc> and finally, they installed their system in a terrible way for actual administration
[20:39] <Ben64> but can't reboot, homie don't play that
[20:39] <Ben64> also, kernel from july 2016
[20:39] <nacc> yep
[20:39] <oerheks> ubuntu should have the right to sue server users,...
[20:47] <Bashing-om> ^ deliberatly make it more difficult than it is .. I walk away . My way or your way .. and your way is not working, so what are you going to do ?
[20:48] <Ben64> i could give the command to fix it
[20:48] <oerheks> Ben64, but he does not want to stop his server ..
[20:48] <Ben64> indeed
[20:49] <Ben64> kinda funny that nobody else knows the way to do it
[20:54] <oerheks> wow, tons of new helpers, lets watch the show
[20:55] <leftyfb> I got it guys
[20:55] <leftyfb> been through this one many times
[20:56] <leftyfb> it's ugly, but works
[20:57] <Ben64> or you could just not
[20:57] <Ben64> leftyfb: make him reboot :D
[20:58]  * leftyfb sigh


[01:11] <roaksoax> /win/win 6
[02:35] <baldpope> if I want to delete and then provision from scratch an existing node, do I release it through the webui or ?
[02:39] <baldpope> appears to be to release and then commision?
[02:42] <baldpope> is it possible to have video output of the boot image changed back to 80x25 - would make working with serial consoles a lot easier
[05:45] <baldpope> ok, nearly 1am - misc. problems trying to deploy openstack via maas
[05:46] <baldpope> anyone interested in helping out trying to get openstack pushed ?
[06:04] <jwitko> hey guys when querying the maas API with python 2.7 I get an error surrounding a pickle object `ValueError: unsupported pickle protocol: 3`
[06:05] <jwitko> can anyone tell me where the picke dump is being done so that I might test adding the protocol=2 parameter ?
[12:24] <mup> Bug #1623468 opened: NVME disks are not showing up in MaaS when commissioning nodes using any newer kernel than "hwe-t" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623468>
[13:03] <mup> Bug #1623468 changed: NVME disks are not showing up in MaaS when commissioning nodes using any newer kernel than "hwe-t" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623468>
[13:32] <rock> roaksoax: Hi. Libvirt error : connection closed issue resolved. we faced the similar bug as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/994476. Now  created 4 maas nodes with PXE boot enable option 1) add chassis https://imagebin.ca/v/2v3Cvi0gPkCG 2) enlisting nodes  https://imagebin.ca/v/2v3CKF6k90lB. After enlisting the power state not changing form on to OFF. Log info: http://paste.openstack.org/show/576163/
[13:41] <rock> roaksoax: SO then I deleted enlisted nodes. Again I clicked on "Add Chassis" entered details. This nodes enlisted in MAAS UI with power state OFF.
[13:41] <roaksoax> rock: that is fine
[13:41] <roaksoax> rock: that is expected
[13:41] <roaksoax> rock: the machines will be in "New" state and powered off
[13:41] <roaksoax> rock: now you need to "Commission" them
[13:42] <rock> roaksoax: Yes. I am doing now.
[13:55] <rock> roaksoax: nodes state after 15 min of commissioning start https://imagebin.ca/v/2v3JgORVid5I. Two nodes came to ready state but disks not detected. power is in "on" mode. Two nodes are still commissioning . I am stucking here. IThe state of nodes not changing.
[13:57] <rock> roaksoax: maas log : http://paste.openstack.org/show/576181/
[14:03] <roaksoax> rock: what type of disks your VM's have?
[14:03] <roaksoax> virtio ?
[14:08] <rock> roaksoax:  default disk, One SATA disk[second disk]
[14:10] <rock> roaksoax:  I mean One virtual disk [Disk1], second SATA disk [Disk2]
[14:13] <rock> roaksoax: Genarally, what type of disks we need to take and what storage format we need to choose for KVM VMs
[14:20] <rock> roaksoax: Two nodes commissioning failed with Node marking failed : timeout issue.  maas log info: http://paste.openstack.org/show/576191/
[14:30] <rock> roaksoax: https://imagebin.ca/v/2v3V5ZDsIGAi.
[14:52] <roaksoax> rock: there may be a bug discovering those
[14:52] <roaksoax> rock: try setting the VM disk to IDE ?
[14:54] <jwitko> hey guys when querying the maas API with python 2.7 I get an error surrounding a pickle object `ValueError: unsupported pickle protocol: 3`
[14:54] <jwitko> can anyone tell me where the picke dump is being done so that I might test adding the protocol=2 parameter ?
[14:55] <baldpope> trying to deploy openstack auto deploy with openstack-install and selecting auto deploy
[14:57] <rock> roaksoax: OK. Thank you. I will try with IDE.  And In which cases we will get ERROR:  Marking node failed: Node operation 'Commissioning' timed out after 0:20:00.
[15:25] <rock> roaksoax: I selected IDE disks for KVM VMs. Still two nodes not detecting disks.And two nodes are failing commission with ERROR:  Marking node failed: Node operation 'Commissioning' timed out after 0:20:00. How can I resolve this. Have you faced similar issues?.
[15:33] <rock> roaksoax: In MAAS UI, clicked on "Add Machine". And then added individual machines. Here also commissioning failed: RROR:  Marking node failed: Node operation 'Commissioning' timed out after 0:20:00. For three individually added nodes it was showing the same issues.
[15:40] <baldpope> rock, one thing that caught me yesterday (new maas user myself) was to make sure I was selecting the 'internal' ip of the maas server
[15:41] <baldpope> in my case - two nics, one dedicated for provisioning (eth1) and the other is the lan (eth0)
[15:41] <baldpope> when I setup maas, I mistakenly gave the web interface the eth0 IP
[15:41] <baldpope> fixed a couple of issues once I used the correct internal ip
[15:41] <baldpope> may only be an issue if you have 2 nics and the networks are firewalled between the two
[15:44] <rock> baldpope: Hi. are you doing maas setup on KVM machines?
[15:44] <baldpope> no, bare metal
[15:44] <baldpope> or trying to
[15:44] <baldpope> deploying an openstack cluster in house
[15:46] <rock> baldpope: Ok. Actually, I am trying maas setup on KVM machines. I want to have [MAAS+OpenStack base bundle] setup to test our bundle.
[15:46] <baldpope> sounds like we're doing much the same thing
[15:46] <baldpope> i'm just on BM
[15:48] <rock> baldpope: Oh. great. Previously, I setup Ubuntu Openstack Autopilot Setup On Bare Metal. Due to lack of enough servers I am going to have [MAAS+OpenStack base]  setup On KVM machines.
[15:50] <baldpope> very cool rock - might have to pick your brain then
[15:50] <baldpope> been running into problems attempting to run the openstack installer
[15:51] <rock> baldpope: SO which problems are you facing. JUJU bootstrap error (or) LAndscape deployment error.
[15:51] <baldpope> juju
[15:53] <rock> baldpope: How much time it was taking to bootstrap.
[15:53] <baldpope> a good 20 minutes - maybe longer
[15:53] <baldpope> annoying as fuck
[15:58] <jwitko> Is it possible to use python 2.7 with MaaS 2.0 API ?  it does not seem to be possible unless I'm missing something ?
[15:58] <roaksoax> jwitko: 2.0 no, 2.0 doens't support py2.7
[15:58] <roaksoax> rock: was maas able to power on the machines ?
[15:59] <jwitko> ty
[15:59] <jwitko> that is a real bummer.  is that publicized anywhere on the docs?
[16:02] <rock> roaksoax: Yes.
[16:04] <rock> baldpope: OH. I got the same juju bootstrap error. I rerun the Openstack installer. Third time I got succeded.
[16:07] <rock> roaksoax: When we start commissioning MAAS able to power on the machines.
[16:09] <jwitko> roaksoax, can you run maas 1.9 on ubuntu 16.04 ?
[16:21] <roaksoax> jwitko: no, only 2.0
[16:21] <roaksoax> jwitko: 1.9 doesn't support python3
[16:21] <roaksoax> 2.0 doesn't support python2
[16:21] <kiko> roaksoax, isn't there an independent client library they could use that does support python2?
[16:21] <kiko> or is the issue that any library will not have been updated for MAAS2?
[16:25] <roaksoax> kiko: the 1.9 client library won't work with 2.0. Working with the 2.0 API requires python3
[16:28] <jkov> What is the best way to install the debs that result from package-dev make target?
[16:30] <kiko> roaksoax, well, working with the 2.0 API could be implemented in brainfuck or bash tbh :-) it's more that the API we ship is python3 :-)
[16:30] <kiko> I mean it IS just REST :-)
[16:34] <mup> Bug #1519828 changed: [2.1] Support for static routes <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.9:Won't Fix> <MAAS 2.0:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519828>
[16:43] <mup> Bug #1519828 opened: [2.1] Support for static routes <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.9:Won't Fix> <MAAS 2.0:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519828>
[16:45] <baldpope> rock, kiko is it possible the juju error is because the image pushed (during commissioning) has a key already defined?  not sure what to look for in some of these errors
[16:46] <mup> Bug #1519828 changed: [2.1] Support for static routes <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Fix Released> <MAAS 1.9:Won't Fix> <MAAS 2.0:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519828>
[17:22] <mup> Bug #1623598 opened: [2.1, vanilla] Settings page do not have separators for the config sections <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623598>
[17:22] <mup> Bug #1623599 opened: [2.1, vanilla] Settings page do not have separators for the config sections <ui> <ux> <vanilla> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623599>
[17:24] <Kiall> Hey, so - I'm trying to create some custom images - debian based, LVM backed, but anything I upload fails to deploy.. Anyone know of some docs for handling custom images? (Beyond what's in the maas docs themselves), or open source tools I can check the code in for building the images?
[17:27] <kiko> Kiall, there are no docs beyond the MAAS docs, and we are spread really thin post-2.0
[17:28] <kiko> Kiall, if you're interested we'd be happy to sell you a professional services engagement to help you build an image customization pipeline
[17:28] <kiko> but we're being a bit victims of our own success right now :)
[17:28] <Kiall> Hah, always with the upsell ;)
[17:28] <Kiall> I'll keep digging, thanks :)
[17:29] <kiko> Kiall, think of all the hungry programmers
[17:29]  * Kiall works on OpenSource for a living too, and is also quite hungy ;)
[17:58] <baldpope> Kiall, where you at? can I buy you a donut?
[17:58] <Kiall> lol - Ireland ;)
[17:58] <baldpope> suprised there's not a ${cryptocoinoftheday} bot running - allow people to tip each othere here
[17:59] <baldpope> Kiall, buy you a stout?
[18:05] <Kiall> Maybe next time ;)
[19:40] <mup> Bug #1623634 opened: [2.1] Trying to cancel an image import from the new Images page results on it not being cancelled on the backend. <angular-images> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623634>


[00:00] <Dr{Who}> found it :( ok is this in the pg database or what?
[00:00] <bigjools> there's a whole page of network settings in ther
[00:00] <mwhudson> yeah, i'll be in pg
[00:00] <Dr{Who}> i sooooo prefer a file I can edit.
[00:00] <mwhudson> *it'll
[00:02] <bigjools> the web page has validation so you don't do something stupid
[00:04] <Dr{Who}> k. I found the bad ip chnaged it but its still off. rebooting
[00:04] <Dr{Who}> ya sorry i had been playing with 12.04 maas and it had 0 ui fields so I didnt even think to dig :(
[00:05] <Dr{Who}> nope still wrong :(
[00:09] <bigjools> it's supposed to be a url to the settings page
[00:09] <bigjools> there's some django magic going on, so.... sigh
[00:10] <mwhudson> django usually gets the host for urls it generates from the http host header
[00:10] <mwhudson> i think?
[00:12] <bigjools> Dr{Who}: it's coming from DEFAULT_MAAS_URL in the settings
[00:12] <bigjools> I thought dpkg-reconfigure sorted that out
[00:13] <Marlinc> How do I setup virsh on MAAS? What do I need to add to the power management settings. What would driver, address, username and power id be?
[00:14] <bigjools> driver = qemu:// address = qemu host, username is the qemu user, power id is the host name
[00:16] <Marlinc> Can I use qemu+ssh:// too as driver?
[00:16] <Marlinc> as driver too*
[00:16] <bigjools> yes
[00:17] <Marlinc> If I use qemu+ssh what ssh private key would be used?
[00:17] <Marlinc> What use connects to qemu and stuff
[00:18] <bigjools> look in the power template, you might need a custom one
[00:22] <Marlinc> How do you mean bigjools ?
[00:22] <bigjools> power is all done in the template scripts, if you want to set up an ssh key I expect you'll need to edit the template
[00:23] <bigjools> very little testing was done for virsh, it was a developer tool
[00:23] <bigjools> so it kinda works
[00:23] <bigjools> but nothing guaranteed
[00:24] <Marlinc> What would be the way that works out of the box the easiest you think?
[00:25] <bigjools> the testing was done with qemu running locally, so assume that works
[00:25] <Marlinc> Ah.. I'm running a separate machine
[00:27] <bigjools> then you might be able to set up remote qemu access
[00:28] <Marlinc> I'm search for that right now
[00:36] <roaksoax> mwhudson: here.. but just for a few
[00:36] <roaksoax> bigjools: howdy!
[00:36] <roaksoax> bigjools: are you feeling ok for a couple reviews?
[00:36] <mwhudson> roaksoax: bigjools dobbed you in as the person to talk to about deploying disk images with maas
[00:36] <bigjools> roaksoax: hey
[00:36] <mwhudson> (as opposed to running d-i)
[00:36] <bigjools> roaksoax: looking at one of yours right now :)
[00:37] <bigjools> he's talking about FPI
[00:37] <roaksoax> bigjools: cool! the other one is trunk-fpi.. take a look if that pleases your eyes bette,r and if it does I'll add the tests
[00:37] <roaksoax> mwhudson: yeah, so give me a sec
[00:40] <roaksoax> bigjools: so I stripped out the xinstall stuff from here, and should be clean enough to go in: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/trunk-fpi/+merge/152039
[00:40] <roaksoax> bigjools: note that I didn't add a preseed because it is basically a shell script
[00:40] <bigjools> roaksoax: ok will look in 5
[00:41] <roaksoax> bigjools: and we have instructions to get it enabled
[00:41] <roaksoax> bigjools: and no worries, take your time
[00:41] <roaksoax> i'm off for tonight so won't look at it till tomorrow
[00:41] <bigjools> roaksoax: get it enabled?
[00:42] <roaksoax> bigjools: i mean since we are not shipping the xinstall stuff and a preseed in the MP, we need the instructions to install using FPI
[00:42] <bigjools> ok
[00:44] <Dr{Who}> bigjools: is "settings" a text config file or a database table? i have looked at all the files in /etc/maas and that address does not exist.
[00:45] <bigjools> Dr{Who}: it's a Django text config file
[00:45] <roaksoax> bigjools: ok i'll probably be on and off but if you need anything I'll probably be around to take care of things
[00:45] <bigjools> roaksoax: ok
[00:45] <roaksoax> bigjools: thanks :)
[00:45] <roaksoax> mwhudson: so that's all that you should need
[00:47] <bigjools> Dr{Who}: dpkg-reconfigure maas-region-controller should update this setting, no?
[00:48] <Dr{Who}> nope.. did it 10 times
[00:48] <bigjools> roaksoax: ^ ?
[00:48] <Dr{Who}> that fixed most issues but this one url is still wrong on that page.
[00:48] <bigjools> grep for DEFAULT_MAAS_URL
[00:49] <Dr{Who}> i grepped the entire disk for that. found a few but fixed and rebooted still the same.
[00:50] <mwhudson> roaksoax: 'that' as in https://code.launchpad.net/~andreserl/maas/trunk-fpi/+merge/152039 ?
[00:51] <mwhudson> ah, i see what you mean
[00:51] <roaksoax> mwhudson: yeah wjats in the link + maas in raring
[00:52] <roaksoax> contains whats in that branch
[00:52] <mwhudson> ok
[00:52] <mwhudson> err, hang on
[00:52] <mwhudson> apt-get install maas in raring has this fpi stuff?
[00:53] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: what url is wtong where
[00:53] <roaksoax> mwhudson: correct.. but you need to enable it by using the info on the link
[00:53] <mwhudson> ok
[00:53] <Dr{Who}> ok the settings page. Some cluster controllers are missing boot images. Either the import task has not been initiated (for each cluster, the task must be initiated by hand the first time), or the import task failed.
[00:53] <bigjools> roaksoax: it's one that gets generated via DEFAULT_MAAS_URL
[00:53] <mwhudson> roaksoax: i'm running on precise unf
[00:53] <bigjools> he changed his machines IP and is now saying the URL is wrong
[00:53] <Dr{Who}> the url on that line should take me to the page to click and start the download of isos.
[00:53] <mwhudson> i guess i can work on that
[00:53] <Dr{Who}> but it goes to the wrong ip.
[00:54] <Dr{Who}> I greeped the entire disk for <IP_ADDRESS> and only place it shows up is
[00:54] <Dr{Who}> Binary file /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main/base/16385/17041 matches
[00:54] <Dr{Who}> Binary file /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main/pg_xlog/000000010000000000000001 matches
[00:54] <bigjools> roaksoax: I thought dpkg-reconfigure changed DEFAULT_MASS_URL
[00:54] <roaksoax> mwhudson: we havent backport the fpi
[00:54] <roaksoax> bigjools: it should
[00:54] <bigjools> Dr{Who}: don't grep for the IP grep for DEFAULT_MAAS_URL
[00:55] <bigjools> roaksoax: he's saying it's not working
[00:55] <Dr{Who}> that shows up all over but every result shows the correct ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:56] <Dr{Who}> although some pyc files have it
[00:56] <Dr{Who}> and they are bin's
[00:56] <roaksoax> ill take a look when i get back since im on my way out
[00:56] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: restart apache2
[00:56] <Dr{Who}> ya rebooted 10 times too :(
[00:56]  * mwhudson lunches
[00:56] <roaksoax> if not pastebin logs and maas settings file and maas_cluster file
[00:57] <Dr{Who}> k.
[01:00] <Dr{Who}> what logs would help? i have maas_local_settings.py and maas_cluster.conf
[01:04] <bigjools> Dr{Who}: I think he meant the logs under /var/log/maas
[01:05]  * bigjools heads to lunch
[01:25] <Dr{Who}> http://pastebin.com/HXup5XPQ
[01:30] <Dr{Who}> http://pastebin.com/eUyXySSB updated this one has logs
[01:33] <Dr{Who}> because this button on the page for importing images does not seem to work I am running manually for now 'maas-import-pxe-files' hope that is the right command.
[01:35] <bigjools> Dr{Who}: what makes you think the button doesn't work?
[01:36] <Marlinc> It now works bigjools :')
[01:37] <Marlinc> Using this as 'address'  qemu+ssh://maas-qemu@<IP_ADDRESS>:2001/system?keyfile=/etc/maas/id_rsa
[01:37] <bigjools> great
[01:40] <Marlinc> Thanks for the template tip because of that tip I was able to figure this out
[01:40] <Marlinc> Lets hope it wont break :P
[01:54] <Dr{Who}> bigjools: hmm will i pushed it and did not see any processes that looked like they were downloading.
[01:54] <Dr{Who}> and I saw no network traffic.
[01:54] <bigjools> Dr{Who}: check in the celery.log to see if the job was received on the cluster
[01:54] <Dr{Who}> tcpdump is my friend.
[01:54] <bigjools> it should start a long running wget
[01:55] <Dr{Who}> i am running in from console but did just push the button wail tailing the /var/log/cleery-region.log and nothing showed up
[01:56] <mwhudson> roaksoax: have you thought about the fun fun fun combination of fpi and ARM at all?
[02:03] <Dr{Who}> well something is disconnected. The import finished but I still see the warning about needing to do it by hand.
[02:06] <bigjools> Dr{Who}: I am wondering if your cluster is configured to talk to the right region
[02:06] <bigjools> since you changed the IP and all
[02:21] <Dr{Who}> define region? again I only have 1 system "but" I am trying to make this MAAS box multihomed trusted IP is on a 10.10 MAAS pxe network is 172.16
[02:22] <bigjools> the region controller, ie the api/web
[02:22] <bigjools> and db
[02:22] <bigjools> clusters can run on the same box but they are logically separate
[02:22] <bigjools> if you changed the DEFAULT_MAAS_URL it's likely to have broken the cluster
[02:23] <bigjools> so try reconfiguring it
[02:23]  * bigjools has to go
[02:42] <Dr{Who}> what is the dhcp daemon name I should see in process list used by maas on 13.04
[10:06] <ehw> hey, guys, how do I de-allocate a node in the maas gui?  I just hit "start node", and now it seems to be permanently 'allocated to root'
[10:32] <rbasak> ehw: have you hit bug 997092 perhaps? Also look at the duplicates which have different explanations that might help.
[10:33] <rbasak> bug 1061869 in particular
[10:33] <bigjools> you have to use maas-cli
[10:34] <ehw> rbasak: looks like it; thanks
[10:39] <rbasak> bigjools: any chance of someone who knows how to do it documenting the exact workaround steps in the bug, please? It's a bit of a trap for someone experimenting with MAAS for the first time. It's not particularly useful but the button is quite enticing and looks like it should be pressed.
[10:39] <bigjools> rbasak: the missing thing is a "stop" button
[10:39] <rbasak> bigjools: yes, but I presume that writing a paragraph in the bug is easier than adding a "stop" button? :)
[10:40] <bigjools> rbasak: marginally :)
[14:13] <roaksoax> ehw: you have to do it from the CLI or maas shell
[14:17] <ehw> roaksoax: thanks, I feel betrayed by that big, candy-like "Start Node" button :-(
[14:17] <roaksoax> ehw: heh i feel the same thing :)
[14:18] <roaksoax> ehw: so if you do it from maas shell
[14:18] <roaksoax> from maasserver.models import Node
[14:18] <roaksoax> node = Node.objects.get(hostname='XYZ')
[14:18] <roaksoax> node.release()
[14:18] <roaksoax> that should do it
[14:19] <ehw> roaksoax: ok; that will de-allocate or delete from MAAS?
[14:19] <roaksoax> ehw: de-allocate
[14:22] <rbasak> roaksoax: thanks - I'll add that to the bug
[14:23] <roaksoax> :)
[15:08] <ehw> roaksoax: worked a treat, thanks o/
[15:08] <roaksoax> ehw: \o/!
[16:09] <AskUbuntu> How do I enable tftp on the second nic on the maas controller in 13.04? | http://askubuntu.com/q/289816
[16:09] <AskUbuntu> Can I use Juju/MAAS on VPSes? | http://askubuntu.com/q/290122
[17:46] <Dr{Who}> going to start all over. this time only one network interface then once its working I will add my trusted network interface see if that works.
[18:22] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: ok so you are using single node maas? or multinode maas?
[18:30] <Dr{Who}> I want a multihomed maas box one interface my local office network the other the pxe boot dhcp etc network.
[18:30] <Dr{Who}> but that may be just too complex to start with. so I am going to just do it all with 1 interface and add a virtual router to access the maas box.
[18:37] <roaksoax> ok
[18:38] <Dr{Who}> just finished the fresh install of maas on 13.04 going to see what is next in the install process. Afaik I need to now install dhcp and dns. Yesterday on the last try I could not even find pxe daemon running so at that point I was done with that try
[18:46] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: so you installed sudo apt-get install maas ? then maas-import-pxe-files ?
[18:46] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: have you installed maas-dhcp too?
[18:46] <Dr{Who}> 1. i installed from cd then added maas-dns and maas-dhcp although I think dns was missing? i forget. then import pxe
[18:47] <Dr{Who}> usually when I will build a recipe to reproduce a build process in my wiki. But.. i have yet to have a solid build so I have only done some sparce notes on the steps.
[18:48] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: the install from the cD does not install maas-dns nor maas-dhcp IIRC
[18:48] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: so basically: 1. sudo apt-get install maas maas-dhcp maas-dns
[18:49] <roaksoax> 2. sudo maas-import-pxe-files
[18:49] <roaksoax> 3. Configure DNS/DHCP on the WebUI or on the CLI
[18:49] <roaksoax> the Tftp server listens to all interfaces
[18:49] <Dr{Who}> cool. will do just that. Just finishing up on the firwall/router setup.
[18:50] <Dr{Who}> iptables rules fun.. yay!
[19:41] <Dr{Who}> roaksoax: why would i do apt-get install maas? isnt that installed when I use 13.04 cd and install MAAS?
[19:42] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: yeah
[19:47] <Dr{Who}> ok first i did apt-get update then install maas-dhcp and maas-dns. shoudl I reboot or continue presuming everything is now running? This run I am building my full procedure so everything will be recorded even a reboot.
[19:47] <Dr{Who}> afaik sudo maas createsuperuser needs to be run
[19:48] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: yeah you need to run that too
[19:48] <roaksoax> so install maas-dns, maas-dhcp
[19:48] <roaksoax> then maas createsuperuser
[19:48] <Dr{Who}> any reason not to stick with root? i have been changing it from the default.
[19:48] <roaksoax> then maas-import-pxe-files
[19:49] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: stick with root what?
[19:49] <Dr{Who}> createsuperuser
[19:49] <roaksoax> you can create the user you want
[19:50] <roaksoax> so if you wanna call it roo,t you can call it root
[19:50] <Dr{Who}> ok cool.
[19:50] <roaksoax> that's the maas user only sois different from system users
[19:50] <roaksoax> ok so once you've done all of the above
[19:50] <roaksoax> go to the WebUI
[19:50] <roaksoax> then clic on the settings Icon
[19:50] <Dr{Who}> importing now.
[19:51] <roaksoax> Under "Cluster Controller"
[19:51] <roaksoax> there would be something like "Cluster 931660ae-6624-46a7-a977-b2f9b04bb2bf"
[19:51] <roaksoax> and clic on the icon to edit the cluster
[19:52] <roaksoax> then edit DNS zone name with the name you want to use, change the default 'master' to other thing
[19:52] <roaksoax> then edit any "Unmanaged" interface
[19:52] <roaksoax> where is the place where you can configure to manage DNS/DHCP
[19:52] <roaksoax> and that should be all you need
[19:53] <Dr{Who}> yep. saw that. when should I create and upload my ssl keys?
[19:53] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: ssh keys under the user>preferences add a new SSH Key
[19:53] <Dr{Who}> ya just not sure when its really needed I have been doing it early on.
[19:55] <roaksoax> Dr{Who}: you wont be able to deploy machines until you add the SSH key
[19:55] <roaksoax> so anytime before deploying is fine
[21:39] <Dr{Who}> ok so system starts up gets the boot image downloaded then it seems to get stuck connecting back to iscsi
[21:51] <Dr{Who}> I am getting an arp from it so its alive and on the same network segment.
[22:08] <Dr{Who}> http://imgur.com/50Bwz1S thats as far as it gets. Maybe a problem with the kernel and this hardware?
[22:10] <Dr{Who}> its an HP-DL360g5
[23:12] <Dr{Who}> looks like it may be a vlan problem with my switch.. ok just for future. is it possible to have this stage of the install use vlan tagging or setup the interfaces to use vlans?


[17:21] <WebbyIT> ehy popey :-)
[17:23] <popey> WebbyIT: hiya, just cooking evening meal, will be back later though.. feel free to leave me a message..
[17:23] <WebbyIT> About bug 1267820 I have an idea: if a label is selected pressing "enter"  end editing, else do the calc
[17:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1267820 in Ubuntu Calculator App "Fix up keyboard shortcuts" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1267820
[17:24] <WebbyIT> popey, have a good meal :-)
[17:53] <WebbyIT> popey, ups, stupid thing: it's already so
[18:05] <WebbyIT> popey, -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1267820/+merge/201313
[18:05] <WebbyIT> :)
[23:15] <EdKaba> boa noite a todos


[12:56] <sebest_> anyone using beagle?
[12:56] <sebest_> it seems to need a lot of memory...
[12:56] <sebest_> sebest   14786 27.4 40.3<PHONE_NUMBER>92 pts/1   Sl   00:21   9:47 mono-beagled --debug /usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon.exe --bg
[12:57] <sebest_> running for only 30 minutes
[12:58] <slomo> yes beagle eats memory ;)
[01:00] <ogra> but it stops after it has indexed everything (after a running a week or so) :)
[01:00] <ogra> then it only needs space for the delta
[01:02] <sebest_> in a week?! lol, i must go buying extra ram and hotplug it!
[01:02] <slomo> lol
[01:05] <Burgundavia> sebest_, it is getting better
[01:05] <sebest_> Burgundavia with beagle?
[01:05] <sebest_> i mean with 0.1
[01:06] <Burgundavia> sebest_, beagle is getting less memory hungry
[01:07] <havoc> are there any plans to allow package selection during install?
[01:07] <ajmitch> morning
[01:07] <havoc> ajmitch: hola
[01:08] <ajmitch> havoc: no
[01:08] <havoc> :(
[01:08] <ajmitch> why complicate the install?
[01:08] <havoc> ajmitch: if you allowed package selection during install then you could customize and save an install for many systems
[01:08] <havoc> it can't be automated right now
[01:08] <havoc> at least not as far as I know
[01:08] <ajmitch> there's stuff to do that now
[01:09] <ogra> there is kickstart
[01:09] <havoc> which makes ubuntu wholey unsuitable for large shops
[01:09] <havoc> ogra: what's that?
[01:09] <ogra> you dont know redhats kickstart for mass deployments ?
[01:09] <havoc> oh, it's a redhat thing
[01:09] <havoc> I've been using mandrake
[01:10] <havoc> which allows you to save the package selection, settings, etc.. for doing mass rollouts
[01:10] <havoc> but I'm trying to switch my whole business over to debian and ubuntu
[01:10] <ogra> kickstart hooks into the installer
[01:11] <havoc> so I'm just trying to find equivalent procedures for what I already do
[01:11] <ogra> yuo can do your customized config and deploy it everywhere
[01:11] <havoc> but I still have to install gnome, then install KDE afterwards?
[01:12] <havoc> (I use that as one example)
[01:17] <havoc> Firefly rules
[02:40] <bddebian> Hey folks
[02:40] <ajmitch> hello
[02:41] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[02:51] <phlaegel> pida looks pretty neat... thanks to whoever packaged it
[03:00] <bddebian> Jesus, does anything build anymore :'-(
[03:07] <arzajac> flashplugin-nonfree recommends gsfonts-x11. flashplayer-mozilla does not.  This package is needed to let flash display fonts.  Can it be made a depends?
[03:08] <arzajac> For both packages?
[03:42] <lamont> iz possible that mpg123 now builds...
[03:43] <lamont> iz needs-build atm
[03:43] <lamont> and -20 still has bogus dpkg invocations
[03:47] <lamont> g'night all
[04:33] <bddebian> Damn it's quiet in here
[04:35] <jond> hi
[04:36] <bddebian> Hello
[04:38] <jond> mediawiki in breezy has dependency issues
[04:38] <jond> which is in universe
[04:39] <jond> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Diff according to this site 1.4.x of mediawiki can't use version 5.0.4 of php but that is exactly what it depends on
[04:40] <jond> either mediawiki needs to be upgraded or php needs to be downgraded
[04:40] <bddebian> Did you check the changelog?  Maybe someone fixed it?
[04:40] <jond> where can I find the changelog?
[04:40] <jond> I will look
[04:41] <bddebian> You can look on packages.ubuntu.com or apt-get source :-)
[04:42] <jond> well I recently apt-get update if thats what you mean
[04:43] <jond> i'll do it again just in case
[04:43] <bddebian> No, I mean you can download the source with "apt-get source mediawiki", then look at the changelog :-)
[04:45] <bddebian> Hey ajmitch, you bored? :-)
[04:46] <jond> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/mediawiki I am looking here and it is still version php5 and actually it looks like someone changed it to depend on that in august
[04:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: no
[04:47] <ajmitch> jond: file a bug in malone about it
[04:47] <jond> ajmitch, ok
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:10] <tritium> Hi bddebian.
[05:10] <bddebian> How's life?
[05:12] <tritium> Not bad.  I was getting ready to throw my harmony remote out the window a minute ago
[05:12] <tritium> You?
[05:12] <bddebian> There's about 3 or 4 packages I'd like to throw out the window :-)
[05:13] <bddebian> heh
[05:20] <tritium> bddebian, I'm watching the NMSU football game.  Tonight is the first official radio broadcast of a football game in Navaho.
[05:21] <bddebian> Hmm, interesting.   ;-P
[05:27] <ajmitch_> hah funny
[08:50] <pef> hello
[09:28] <\sh> moins
[09:30] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[09:32] <\sh> ajmitch: I'll send an email to elmo tomorrow for some syncs, and clamav will be updated then as well...but for dapper, we  should consider a move to main for this piece of software
[09:40] <ajmitch> \sh: even then it'll need constant engine updates
[09:40] <ajmitch> something to BOF :)
[09:40] <\sh> yes...
[09:41] <ivoks> ah, getting ready for canada? :)
[09:41] <ajmitch> debian has its volatile archive now, or at least soon :)
[09:41] <ivoks> did anyone worked with dh_python?
[09:41] <ajmitch> sure
[09:41] <ivoks> well, it goes in build or install? :)
[09:41] <ivoks> install, i gues
[09:42] <ivoks> so, what else beside ${python:Depends} should I do?
[09:42] <ivoks> i substitutes that with nothing
[09:43] <ivoks> s/i/it/
[09:43] <ajmitch> pass the right parameters to dh_python :)
[09:44] <ivoks> it needs paramateres? :/
[09:44] <ajmitch> and make sure you're calling it in the right place
[09:44] <ajmitch> you have read the manpage, right?
[09:44] <ivoks> yes
[10:15] <\sh> where is mez?
[10:15] <\sh> where is jdong?
[10:16] <StrikeForce> can someone point me to where I need to log to find the log of why I get errors on shutting down?
[10:16] <StrikeForce> its not showing up under /var/log/messages
[10:17] <crimsun> the console output or the kernel ring buffer?
[10:17] <StrikeForce> console output
[10:17] <StrikeForce> as I shutdown one program generates an error
[10:17] <StrikeForce> in the console outside of X
[10:17] <crimsun> afaik that's not logged
[10:17] <StrikeForce> gotta learn how to write faster then :(
[10:17] <StrikeForce> I think its hal though
[10:17] <StrikeForce> it comes up with an error
[10:20] <StrikeForce> foudn it /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal: line 50: kill: (7295) - No such process
[11:38] <pkern> ajmitch: Thanks for your efforts to bring Gobby into breezy. :D
[11:38] <ajmitch> pkern: sorry, was going to notify you when it happened :)
[11:39] <pkern> ajmitch: ;)
[11:39] <ajmitch> how goes utnubu?
[11:39] <ajmitch> you've tagged the remaining RFP/ITP bugs?
[11:40] <\sh> does anybody know if this jdong is coming to ubz?
[11:40] <ajmitch> \sh: I haven't heard, but mez is
[11:40] <siretart> morning, folks!
[11:40] <pkern> ajmitch: I tagged all which were on the missing packages list.
[11:40] <ajmitch> morning siretart
[11:40] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[11:40] <siretart> morning \sh,  are there remaining questions about revu?
[11:41] <pkern> ajmitch: I hope to get started with Utnubu as soon as I have got more time again. I'm too busy with school currently to backport Ubuntu packages to Debian
[11:41] <pkern> ajmitch: We should start to write scripts similar to yours for semi-automatic syncing ;)
[11:41] <\sh> siretart: I had problems with recovering the password for one user without a signed key ;)
[11:41] <ajmitch> pkern: sure
[11:41] <ajmitch> pkern: we'll be putting our scripts on the server that hosts revu
[11:42] <pkern> ajmitch: They aren't /yet/ publically available, right?
[11:42] <siretart> \sh: password recovery should work after his first accepted upload
[11:42] <ajmitch> pkern: anything I've written is a bit messy, as it was hacked up for my own use :)
[11:42] <\sh> siretart: well...he uploaded already many packages...
[11:42] <siretart> then password recovery should work
[11:42] <pkern> ajmitch: (:
[11:42] <ajmitch> pkern: what sort of things are you looking for?
[11:43] <\sh> siretart: I tried password recovery from commandline and it told me: no signed key ;)
[11:43] <\sh> siretart: I wanted to give this guy comment functionality for his own packages
[11:43] <ajmitch> the missing packages one I'm planning to rewrite & use grep-dctrl & a bit of shell
[11:45] <pkern> ajmitch: Well, Utnubu is about letting Ubuntu maintaining the packages. So we need something semi-automatic which merges our little build-dependency changes into the latest Ubuntu update to the package. Currently we have only one package under the hood of ut
[11:45] <pkern> utnubu, and that one is manually managed by nomeata
[11:45] <ajmitch> so a ubuntu->debian MoM
[11:46] <pkern> jo
[11:46] <pkern> Would be nice (:
[11:46] <\sh> pkern: ask scott ;)
[11:46] <siretart> keybuk told me that the mom functionality will be part of HCT
[11:46] <pkern> HCT?
[11:46] <siretart> the hypothetical changeset tool.
[11:47] <siretart> it is vaporware up to now, and hasn't been advertised or annouced.
[11:47] <ajmitch> it's quite dependant on launchpad
[11:47] <pkern> ajmitch: Same here. But I don't think that this would happen. Getting all to deal with Debian sponsors... (Well, Utnubu Devs would be available for this task...)
[11:47] <ajmitch> and is switching to using bzr for branching
[11:48] <ajmitch> pkern: it's ok for some of us who can upload :)
[11:48] <pkern> ajmitch: It was about the non-DDs. (:
[11:49] <ajmitch> yep
[11:49] <ajmitch> and we'll have some who'll get their package uploaded but go MIA
[11:49] <ajmitch> I think it'll be more important during dapper's cycle
[11:49] <pkern> ajmitch: Do you think the maintainers care about Debian when they're targetting Ubuntu? (This probably sounds too harsh, sorry |:)
[11:49] <ajmitch> pkern: often they don't care beyond what they use, imho
[11:50] <pkern> ajmitch: I thought the same...
[11:50] <ajmitch> not really a harsh question
[11:50] <pkern> ajmitch: Even in my social net I sense much hostility against Debian because it's "too old" and "sucks for C++ developers". They like Ubuntu more but don't understand they both need to coexist.
[11:51] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:51] <ajmitch> I don't get the 'sucks for c++ developers'
[11:51] <ajmitch> since we got the pain of g++ 4.0 transition a couple of months before debian started
[11:51] <Treenaks> ajmitch: c++-developers-who-consider-MSVC-to-be-c++?
[11:52] <siretart> the compilers are mostly in sync in both debian and ubuntu, thanks to doko
[11:52] <ajmitch> the MOTU team during breezy has been more of a firefighting team, trying to get everything in shape
[11:52] <ajmitch> for dapper I think we'll see more new stuff
[11:52] <pkern> Treenaks: Nope, C++ developers who don't get the problem with binary packages because they're mostly using Gentoo.
[11:52] <pkern> ajmitch: 8 months of C++ transition is evil.
[11:52] <Treenaks> pkern: UGRGRHHR
[11:52] <pkern> ajmitch: Or how long is it?
[11:53] <pkern> ajmitch: Nothing flowing into testing etc.
[11:53] <Treenaks> pkern: for Debian it's normal, because there's the NMU taboo
[11:53] <ajmitch> pkern: we're pretty much done with C++ transition here
[11:53] <siretart> pkern: what does gentoo feature to c++ devs what debian doesn't?
[11:53] <pkern> Treenaks: It's leaved for the transitions.
[11:53] <ajmitch> siretart: everything gets built at once, no long dependency chains that get broken by renamed packages/incompat ABI
[11:53] <Treenaks> pkern: then it can be done in a few days
[11:53] <Treenaks> pkern: except on m68k
[11:53] <pkern> Treenaks: Everybody could do 0-day NMUs during the BSPs, and I think 2-day NMUs for transition issues over the whole time.
[11:54] <ajmitch> Treenaks: you really think that it could be a few days?
[11:54] <pkern> Treenaks: The problem is more the "all dependencies need to be built on all architecture before you compile more"
[11:54] <Treenaks> ajmitch: yes, 2 weeks max
[11:54] <ajmitch> there are some deep dependencies there
[11:54] <pkern> Treenaks: Which needs days per package
[11:55] <ajmitch> Treenaks: it takes longer than that for some single packages
[11:55] <ajmitch> this is C++, people write broken code
[11:55] <pkern> siretart: They just don't get the problem that we need something like an ABI transition. Ignorant people are out there. Gentoo also features newer version of libraries much, much sooner.
[11:55] <siretart> well, the c++ transition is mostly complete, so the time of the big transition is over, afai understand..
[11:55] <pkern> ajmitch: Look at packages like sigc++ which do not enter testing ):
[12:02] <ajmitch> pkern: I think we'll try & discuss some solutions for getting our work into debian at UBZ
[12:12] <pef> siretart: hello
[12:14] <pkern> ajmitch: Would be nice. Please report the results to utnubu then (:
[12:17] <ajmitch> pkern: certainly
[12:18] <pef> siretart: what is the problem in GLUTransiton with boson-base ? not yet uploaded ?
[12:19] <siretart> pef: The last time I looked at it, it failed to build
[12:20] <pef> siretart: ohh ok :)
[12:22] <siretart> pef: looking at http://bugs.debian.org/boson-base, I don't have much hope with it :(
[12:24] <Cimmerian> is it possible for opera to end up in multiverse?
[12:24] <siretart> Cimmerian: depends on the distribution term, did you check them/
[12:25] <pef> siretart: ok, will look
[12:26] <siretart> pef: looking at the maintainer record, I suspect the maintainer lost interest in the package :(
[12:28] <pef> siretart: so why he didn't orphans the package .
[12:31] <siretart> pef: ask him via email. perhaps lack of time/interesst
[12:31] <siretart> interest
[12:40] <pef> siretart: I try to build it, and I have different error that the error on bugs.debian, error with Arts library
[12:40] <pef> and you ? ;)
[12:43] <vrln> is there a chance something can still be upgraded before universe is frozen?
[12:43] <vrln> the gtkpod version is a bit too old for at least some revisions of ipod mini
[12:43] <vrln> and it should be fixed in the latest release (0.94, ubuntu has 0.93)
[12:43] <vrln> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/gtkpod <-- unstable has 0.94 packaged
[12:44] <siretart> pef: I don't remember. If you really want to get it fixed, check if there is a new upstream version and try that
[12:44] <siretart> pef: and contact the maintainer
[12:45] <pef> siretart: ok :)
[12:45] <vrln> I'll try the debian package to see if it works (according to one forum it should fix it)
[12:45] <siretart> vrln: only if the new version fixes important bugs
[12:46] <siretart> vrln: check the changelog/diff
[12:47] <vrln> siretart: just tried it - I can confirm that the ubuntu 0.93 gtkpod does not work at all with a second revision ipod mini
[12:47] <vrln> the debian unstable version works - just read the itunesdb
[12:47] <vrln> but I'll search for the changelog, it should be there
[12:47] <siretart> vrln: how can you be sure that it don't introduce new bugs?
[12:48] <vrln> siretart: I can't :)
[12:48] <vrln>  BUGFIX: Some iTunesDB files written by iTunes could not be read because of an error in the parse code (gtkpod would attempt to read beyond the end of the file).
[12:48] <vrln> BUGFIX: Fixed compatibility issue with new firmware 3.1 and iTunes 4.9 (only 256 tracks were shown on the iPod, iTunes removed the majority of the tracks from the iPod). Podcasts are still not supported, however, and will be lost when handled by gtkpod.
[12:48] <vrln> but it does contain the critical bugfix
[12:48] <siretart> vrln: we will have the package in dapper then
[12:49] <vrln> http://www.gtkpod.org/news.html <-- it does indeed have a few new features
[12:49] <vrln> yeah, the package from debian works fine in ubuntu (the dependencies seem to be the same), I just thought I'd let you know
[12:50] <ajmitch> siretart: this might be a case for breaking freeze, if the breezy package is useless on a lot of hardware
[12:50] <\sh> siretart: check this http://www.ubuntuusers.de/viewtopic.php?t=11932
[12:51] <siretart> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317701 is the bug
[12:51] <siretart> and it is important *grin*
[12:52] <siretart> \sh: there seem to be 2 maybe unrelated probles
[12:52] <siretart> problems
[12:52] <tseng> after confirming the issue
[12:52] <tseng> buh.
[12:52] <siretart> hi tseng!
[12:52] <\sh> siretart: well...they installed 1.0.6 from backports and now i think there is a new update from ubuntu
[12:52] <tseng> hi siretart
[12:53] <siretart> shadoi: yeah, known issue :(
[12:53] <\sh> we should have a talk with jdong ;)
[12:53] <siretart> ajmitch: after reconsidering, the gtkpod update might really be a good idea
[12:53] <siretart> need to go, will anyone request a sync from elmo?
[12:53] <siretart> bye!
[12:54] <\sh> siretart: yes...doing it
[12:54] <\sh> I make a list with all syncs
[12:54] <siretart> we have MOTUToSync
[12:54] <\sh> siretart: but I'm writing a mail to elmo ;) that he can do his job next week ;)
[12:54] <\sh> siretart: I have more packages ;)
[12:57] <\sh> and watching people breaking their systems
[12:57] <ajmitch> heh
[01:00] <\sh> because I just reinstalled windows on this r200...and I need to test 1. sk98lin and 2. resizing
[01:01] <vrln> siretart: thanks by the way, this is really what I'd call listening to user-feedback :)
[01:09] <pkern> Why is 1. the powerpc kernel broken with xfs and 2. lilo broken with root on LVM (it worked two times just fine, but now it refuses to write a new mbr)
[01:10] <pkern> (broken with root on xfs anyway |:)
[01:15] <\sh> going to visit my son..laters dude
[01:20] <StrikeForce> evolution broken in breezy?
[01:21] <StrikeForce> nm desktop icon read evolution-2.2 instead of 2.4
[01:22] <slomo> jbailey: ping?
[01:28] <tseng> fabbio fixed mythplugins :)
[01:31] <Yagisan> colony 5 is out ?
[01:33] <tseng> yes.
[02:08] <Riddell> what's the best way to make libtunepimp/musicbrainz pacakges that compile against libmad?
[02:08] <Riddell> so that people can use them as alternatives against existing ones?
[02:09] <slomo> Riddell: i would make packages which provide and conflict with the packages without mad support
[02:10] <Riddell> slomo: from the same source or different sources?
[02:11] <slomo> Riddell: different source probably... the packages without mad support are in main?
[02:11] <Riddell> yes
[02:11] <slomo> and libmad is in main or universe?
[02:11] <Riddell> it's in main
[02:11] <slomo> hmm
[02:12] <slomo> why is it compiled without mad support then?
[02:12] <Riddell> because the packages are on the kubuntu CDs and we can't have mad on the CDs
[02:13] <jbailey> slomo: I'm here for a couple minutes then I'm away again.  'sup?
[02:13] <slomo> ok... but you can make them in the same source in that case
[02:13] <Riddell> I suspect it would be pretty fiddly to make them from the same sources
[02:13] <slomo> then make them from different source ;) wouldn't hurt imho
[02:14] <slomo> jbailey: did you already read my newest comment to the ppc initramfs bug?
[02:14] <jbailey> slomo: Nope.
[02:14] <slomo> jbailey: kamion had the same problem when using xfs with colony 5... with ext3 it worked
[02:14] <slomo> jbailey: on ppc
[02:15] <jbailey> Joy.
[02:15] <jbailey> I'll poke him about it then and see if he can give me one of each initramfs to see what's different.
[02:16] <slomo> thanks... i can do it next weekend when he don't have enough free time
[02:17] <jbailey> Well, Kamion sort of spends his life reinstalling Ubuntu
[02:17] <jbailey> So if he's going to do a cycle anyway, I'll get it from him.
[02:17] <jbailey> Other than that, I have an extra ppc box here I can do a format on.
[02:17] <jbailey> It's just not wired up to a monitor atm.
[02:18] <slomo> ok... sounds good ;)
[02:51] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[02:51] <slomo> bddebian: want to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=562 ?
[02:52] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[02:53] <bddebian> slomo: You don't need reviews do you? :-)
[02:54] <slomo> bddebian: only one review ;)
[02:55] <bddebian> :-)
[03:01] <slomo> bddebian: will you do? ;)
[03:01] <bddebian> Yep, sorry, just waiting for my machine to finish an update
[03:02] <bddebian> s/update/upgrade
[03:03] <slomo> no need to be sorry :P
[03:03] <siretart> slomo: still not revu-built? ;)
[03:03] <siretart> re, btw
[03:04] <slomo> siretart: no... to many other things to do atm :( for example i'll be in denmark next week... but they have wlan everywhere ;)
[03:04] <siretart> slomo: oh
[03:04] <siretart> :)
[03:04] <slomo> siretart: i'll be there: http://www.jaoo.org
[03:05] <tseng>  anyone know how to debug why a usb2 device is running at 1.0 speeds
[03:05] <tseng> on a usb2 port..
[03:06] <slomo> tseng: no idea
[03:06] <bddebian> slomo: You want me to build it on tiber, is that what you want?
[03:06] <slomo> bddebian: no... i want you to review the package and give me a vote when it's ok ;)
[03:06] <Yagisan> tseng: did it connect to the ehci driver ?
[03:07] <bddebian> slomo: But don't you already have upload rights? :-)
[03:07] <tseng> [4294889.641000]  usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address
[03:07] <tseng> Yagisan: i guess not.
[03:07] <slomo> bddebian: sure... but it is a NEW package
[03:07] <bddebian> slomo: Oohh, gotcha
[03:07] <siretart> slomo: w00t. sounds grat :)
[03:07] <siretart> great
[03:09] <Yagisan> tseng: try mod probing ehci_hcd and hotplug the device again
[03:09] <tseng> Yagisan: trying exactly that :P
[03:09] <Yagisan> tseng: I'm a slow typist
[03:11] <tseng> hm that might be a bit faster
[03:11] <tseng> but nothing crazy
[03:11] <tseng> [4600023.412000]  usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 8
[03:11] <tseng> yeah
[03:13] <tseng> i guess it really isnt usb2 or something
[03:13] <Yagisan> tseng: nope is only 12Mbps usb1
[03:13] <tseng> the ports i mean.
[03:13] <tseng> on my motherboard
[03:14] <Yagisan> tseng: how old is the m/b ?
[03:14] <tseng> maybe 2 years tops
[03:14] <tseng> and it was high end
[03:14] <Yagisan> tseng: what chipset ?
[03:15] <tseng> intel something or other
[03:17] <Yagisan> tseng: try this http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-009024.htm
[03:18] <Yagisan> tseng: it seems usb2 isn't enabled by default for some intel boards and perhaps non-intel as well
[03:19] <bddebian> OK, I really have to start keeping my machine more up to date.  This 200-300 packages stuff sucks :-)
[03:21] <chrissturm> whats the command to update a source deb to a newer version? i have the sourcedeb to mkvtoolnix 1.5.5 and i would like to make a deb for mkvtoolnix 1.5.6 with it. i think it was something debxxx -S
[03:22] <slomo> chrissturm: uupdate or uscan... depending on whether there is a watchfile
[03:23] <chrissturm> slomo: what is a watchfile? is this documented somewhere?
[03:23] <slomo> chrissturm: does debian/watch exist?
[03:23] <chrissturm> nope
[03:24] <slomo> then download the new upstream tarball and run uupdate on it
[03:24] <chrissturm> cool, thx
[03:24] <chrissturm> does that work with a bz2 compressed tarball?
[03:25] <slomo> test it
[03:27] <chrissturm> now i get uupdate: could not find diffs from version 1.5.5-1 to apply!
[03:36] <slomo> jbailey: btw... the incomplete write message seems to be caused by xfs as well when i understood kamion right... maybe that's the point to look at... maybe yaboot loads more then just the initrd when it lies on xfs
[03:51] <bddebian> OK, WTF is up with my account on REVU??
[03:51] <siretart> bddebian: ?
[03:52] <bddebian> I can't login in anymore
[03:52] <siretart> does pw recovery work?
[03:52] <bddebian> Nope
[03:52] <bddebian> They all decrypt to None
[03:53] <siretart> then you most probably used the wrong login name
[03:53] <bddebian> I have tried all three
[03:53] <siretart> also this one<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:57] <bddebian> Weird, when I did a recover on that before it came back as none.. Hmm. Thx siretart
[04:00] <bddebian> Holy crap, we're up to 527 bugs again.. :'-(
[04:15] <slomo> sebest: when can we expect a release of your avahi panel applet? or do you have objections against using current svn?
[04:20] <slomo> sebest: and please make your licensing clear... LICENSE says GPL, some sources say LGPL... and afaik COPYING is the "standard" file to contain the license... autogen.sh gives some warning about it
[04:23] <Snadder> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:23] <Snadder>   smlnj: Depends: smlnj-runtime (>= 110.42-3) but it is not installable
[04:24] <Snadder> E: Broken packages
[04:24] <Snadder> been like this for some weeks atleast.
[04:24] <Snadder> anyone in here able to fix this?
[04:24] <Treenaks> what is it?
[04:24] <slomo> Snadder: smlnj is completly broken... it's unlikely that we can fix it before the release
[04:24] <Snadder> some error with the package "smlnj
[04:25] <Snadder> hum.. it works in debian
[04:25] <Treenaks> slomo: c++-breakage?
[04:26] <slomo> Snadder: it's also broken for debian... it's unbuildable atm because it needs itself for bootstrapping
[04:26] <Snadder> I installed it 4 days ago at my debian box
[04:27] <Treenaks> Snadder: installing != building
[04:27] <Treenaks> Snadder: ubuntu rebuilds everything, but apparently it can't be rebuilt (even in debian)
[04:27] <slomo> Snadder: yes, it's installable... but we can't build it anymore (and debian has older binaries on their ftps... the new ones doesn't build for them too iirc)
[04:27] <Snadder> ah... understand
[04:28] <Snadder> any idea when the release will be?
[04:28] <slomo> Snadder: sadly the debian maintainer has no time to fix it somehow :(
[04:28] <slomo> Snadder: breezy? october 13th afaik
[04:29] <bddebian> WTF is up with Malone?
[04:29] <Snadder> ok.. but why not build it from source?.. and not depend on debian?
[04:30] <bddebian> Snadder: It needs itself to build
[04:30] <Snadder> cross compile?
[04:32] <Snadder> I hardly doubt its not possible to compile the source package from theire website
[04:32] <Snadder> this package have been around for ages
[04:33] <bddebian> Snadder: So go for it ;-)
[04:33] <slomo> Snadder: i have a working version for x86 and ppc here... but it's a really bad hack
[04:33] <slomo> Snadder: it uses the binaries you can get on their homepage to build itself again
[04:35] <slomo> Snadder: but imho this package is just broken upstream... it needs itself to build and they provide no easy way to get a bootstrap compiler
[04:36] <Snadder> okay.
[04:36] <slomo> but as someone cares about this package i'll see whether i can upload my hack later...
[04:36] <slomo> i thought nobody cares because it was broken for ages
[04:37] <Snadder> abit sad.. since i've recommended ubuntu to some friends I got at school.. which needs to work with ml.. maybe they have to switch over to debian now
[04:37] <Snadder> ah. ok
[04:37] <slomo> would mosml also work for you?
[04:37] <Snadder> if it works to run ml programs..
[04:38] <Snadder> let me see
[04:38] <slomo> there is no package atm
[04:38] <slomo> i have one on my hdd ;)
[04:38] <slomo> the license is a bit suspect
[04:39] <Snadder> what kinda license?
[04:40] <Snadder> whould it be possible to add it to ubuntu?
[04:40] <slomo> it is partly non-free
[04:40] <slomo> so it would be in multiverse
[04:41] <Snadder> O_o.. then it whould rock.. if you'd manage to add that package
[04:41] <Snadder> well.. if it works just like smlnj tho.
[04:41] <slomo> do you have some time to test?
[04:41] <chrissturm> what kind of programminglanguage is ML?
[04:41] <slomo> chrissturm: functional
[04:42] <chrissturm> like erlang?
[04:42] <Snadder> like lisp
[04:42] <slomo> but without that many brackets ;)
[04:42] <tseng> i like brackets
[04:42] <tseng> thats why i use tcl
[04:42] <bddebian> heh
[04:42] <slomo> me too... but many people hate them ;)
[04:42] <Snadder> slomo, I got time.. but I first need to install ubuntu on my laptop
[04:43] <slomo> Snadder: ok... can you test the package today for me? otherwise it will be unlikely we get it into breezy as i'm in denmark next week
[04:43] <Snadder> since I dont got it installed myself.. only some friends at school got it...
[04:43] <Snadder> yep. i'll do that
[04:45] <markuman> is ubuntu using the debian-installer ?
[04:46] <vrln> markuman: yup - a customized version I think though
[04:47] <slomo> Snadder: and for smlnj... seems to work still... so maybe i'll upload it later... but mosml feels better ;)
[04:47] <Snadder> cool.. thanks alot:)
[04:48] <bddebian> slomo: You ROCK!! :-)
[04:50] <slomo> bddebian: you don't
[04:50] <bddebian> slomo: I do. :-(  I have been fighting with gnat-gps and axiom for three days and they should be fairly simple fixes :-(
[04:51] <slomo> axiom is evil afaik ;)
[04:51] <slomo> and gnat-gps was big
[04:52] <bddebian> I think the new axiom from Debian would be fine, it's just looking for the X libs and includes in the wrong places.  It defines /usr/X11R6/lib and /usr/include/X11R6
[04:52] <bddebian> But it takes FOREVER to build
[04:53] <slomo> bddebian: ask Nafallo about his pbuilder ccache magic
[04:54] <bddebian> Well it specifies them in the Makefile but after changing all them, it blew up on tetex for some strange reason :-)
[04:55] <slomo> Snadder: ok, i can upload smlnj later... but it would be perfect if you can test my mosml package later :)
[04:55] <bddebian> slomo: Can you please take smlnj off the UnmetDeps list when you do? :-)
[04:55] <slomo> bddebian: sure
[04:57] <bddebian> Thx
[05:05] <sebest__> slomo: where?
[05:05] <slomo> sebest__: look at the query ;)
[05:06] <sebest__> ok
[05:07] <sebest__> yes i should fix the licencing issue
[05:08] <sebest__> if i put only COPYING is it enought?
[05:09] <slomo> sources and COPYING should be consistent... i.e. not GPL in COPYING and LGPL in sources
[05:09] <slomo> but otherwise... yes
[05:14] <sebest__> what is the difference between COPYING and LICENCE?
[05:15] <slomo> no idea... but COPYING is the filename where the autotools look for the license
[05:20] <sebest__> slomo: what are the implication of making a release now? will i be able to make a new version that can then also enter breezy, or is it freezed?
[05:21] <slomo> sebest__: i could upload the package for review and we probably get it into breezy... there were enough people interested in it... but i could also package a svn snapshot
[05:24] <sebest__> for example if i branch 0.1 now, i will be able to make a 0.2 release in one week or so and have it reviewed also?
[05:24] <sebest__> or is review a slow process?
[05:27] <markuman> what are you preffer to build deb packages? dh_make, pbuilder oder CDBS ?
[05:28] <sebest__> slomo i fix the licencing issue, if you think it's ok , i can tag 0.1
[05:30] <slomo> sebest__: depends... should be fairly fast as many people were interested in that applet ;)
[05:31] <slomo> sebest__: but one week may be too late... but we'll see :)
[05:39] <slomo> Yagisan: you used a lintian override?
[05:42] <Yagisan> slomo: where ?
[05:42] <Yagisan> I have them in various packages
[05:43] <slomo> ok, wait... maybe i've got it right now ;)
[05:43] <sebest__> slomo: could you test le last svn, and create a tar.gz using make dist? and if it is ok, i take it 0.1
[05:43] <slomo> Yagisan: hm no... how do you install it to the correct location?
[05:44] <Yagisan> slomo, just a sec
[05:44] <slomo> sebest__: please give me the svn url again and i'll make it
[05:44] <dholbach> hello
[05:44] <sebest__> hello dholbach
[05:44] <slomo> Snadder: smlnj uploaded... please pray that it builds ;)
[05:44] <slomo> hi dholbach
[05:45] <Snadder> :-)
[05:46] <Yagisan> slomo: install -o root -g root -m 644 debian/deng-jdoom-pwad-2002ado.lintian debian/deng-jdoom-pwad-2002ado/usr/share/lintian/overrides/deng-jdoom-pwad-2002ado
[05:46] <ogra> slomo, pray ?
[05:46] <ogra> didnt you testbuild it ?
[05:46] <sebest__> slomo: svn checkout svn://svn.0pointer.de/service-discovery-applet/trunk service-discovery-applet
[05:46] <slomo> ogra: sure... it built fine here :) but i don't like this package...
[05:46] <bddebian> Heya dholbach
[05:46] <ogra> heh
[05:47] <slomo> sebest__: thanks
[05:47] <Snadder> slomo, i'm soon finnished with the install
[05:48] <slomo> sebest__: licensing stuff is fine now... just release it and i'll take your tarball
[05:49] <slomo> Yagisan: thanks
[05:49] <sebest__> slomo, you can issue ./bootstrap.sh && make dist
[05:49] <Yagisan> slomo: glad I could help
[05:49] <sebest__> it will create a tar.gz
[05:50] <slomo> sebest__: yes i know... but then i have a tarball with other md5sum than yours later ;)
[05:50] <sebest__> ah...
[05:50] <sebest__> i've nowhere to put it :s
[05:51] <slomo> sebest__: ask Lathiat to host it for you somewhere ;)
[05:51] <sebest__> wait a second, i ask on #avahi
[05:51] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[05:52] <slomo> Snadder: i hope my mosml package is ready by then
[05:52] <\sh> hey bddebian
[05:52] <slomo> Snadder: do you have some larger sml code?
[06:01] <bddebian> OK, ghc-cvs in now also on my list of hated packages :-)
[06:02] <sander> slomo, i'm snadder.. from my laptop.. with an ubuntu installation
[06:02] <sander> mlton didnt work out
[06:02] <slomo> sander: ok... wait some seconds for the package ;)
[06:02] <slomo> mlton?
[06:02] <sander> ops.. what was the name of the package again?
[06:02] <slomo> mosml
[06:03] <sander> ok
[06:03] <slomo> but it isn't on the ftps
[06:03] <sander> ok.
[06:03] <slomo> you can test mine and when it's ok i'll upload it for review ;)
[06:03] <sander> okok:)
[06:03] <sander> where can I get it?
[06:04] <slomo> wait
[06:05] <sander> ok.
[06:06] <slomo> http://slomosnail.de/~slomo/
[06:11] <sander> in 2 min my upgrade of security packages is done.. then i'll give it a shot
[06:11] <slomo> ok
[06:11] <slomo> i hope it works ;)
[06:11] <slomo> small stuff works for me
[06:19] <sander>  mosml depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1); however:
[06:19] <sander>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu14.
[06:19] <sander> did you had the other package as well?
[06:19] <ogra> sander, thats ancient...
[06:19] <markuman> dholbach, what are you preffer for building packages? dh_make, pbuild or CDBS ?
[06:19] <ogra> (both)
[06:20] <ogra> 2.3.5-1ubuntu1 is the current libc6 version
[06:20] <dholbach> markuman: none of them exlude each other :)
[06:21] <sander> ogra, I installed 5.04.. from the original cd
[06:21] <ogra> sander, err, we develop for breezy here :)
[06:21] <ogra> (5.10)
[06:21] <sander> lol..
[06:22] <markuman> ok
[06:23] <sander> maybe someone can post me the sources.list line.. to a mirror which gets updated at once..
[06:23] <\sh> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[06:24] <sander> thx
[06:25] <sander> I dont have time to wait for this atm..
[06:25] <sander> i'll test it later.. in some hours
[06:25] <sander> ok?
[06:26] <sander> need to go out for a while.. upgrade is finnished in 20 min
[06:27] <slomo> sander: ok
[06:27] <mbreit> hi guys
[06:27] <mbreit> lamont: ping
[06:27] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[06:27] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[06:27] <dcraven> Gah..   Flashplugin-nonfree recommends gsfont-x11 and flashplayer-mozilla does not even mentionit.  That package is neccessary to allow flash to show fonts.  Can it be a depends for both package?
[07:41] <Treenaks> arzajac: flash will show fonts without it
[07:41] <Treenaks> arzajac: it's just that most flash people don't bother to specify fallbacks
[07:41] <Treenaks> arzajac: and flash doesn't have a built-in list of those
[07:41] <Treenaks> but that's what you get for non-free software
[07:42] <arzajac> So how do you get flash to show fonts, then?  What do you mean by fallbacks?
[07:45] <bddebian> ogra: Ah, OK, thx
[07:45] <arzajac> I think I understand what you mean.  Fallbacks are dont aliases created by the person who wrote the flash applet.  Well, many flash sites are improperly made, then.  Installing gsfonts-x11 makes those sites work.  I do not think it has any repercussions anywhere else on one's desktop.
[07:46] <arzajac> I meant "font aliases" and not "dont aliases"
[07:46] <bddebian> Burgundavia: ping?
[07:50] <bddebian> Shit, gotta go.  Later gang
[08:11] <ivoks> hey ;)
[08:42] <UbuntuOne> Hi
[08:45] <UbuntuOne> I guess everybody are working on fixing transitions
[08:48] <dholbach> herzi, markuman, mbreit, mitsuhiko, ogra, siretart, slomo and all you other lazy germans, could you please join #ubuntu-magazin?
[08:48] <dholbach> :)
[08:48] <mitsuhiko> dholbach: jep
[08:48] <slomo> dholbach: would be easier without the '?' :P
[08:50] <markuman> ok
[08:54] <herzi> dholbach: yet another irc channel...
[08:54] <dholbach> herzi: just for a short time
[08:54] <dholbach> herzi: don't worry
[09:02] <mitsuhiko> \sh_away: when comming back join #ubuntu-magazin
[09:35] <sander> slomo, mosml works very nice..
[09:37] <slomo> ok... good :) now i only need someone else to review it and it will go up ;) smlnj compiled for x86 so you can install it maybe tomorrow
[09:37] <sander> nice
[09:39] <sander> slomo, is it easy to fix that mosml package for hoary too?
[09:40] <sander> I mean.. just the deb file
[09:40] <slomo> you mean smlnj?
[09:41] <sander> I mean that package I tried..
[09:41] <sander> so my friends dont need to upgrade ubuntu
[09:41] <sander> to get it working
[09:41] <slomo> sander: i can make you a hoary version... but it won't be in hoary... hoary only gets updates for security problems
[09:42] <sander> yep.. thats what I was thinking
[09:42] <mbreit> slomo: you could submit it to backports, hoary-extras...
[09:42] <sander> that whould be even better
[09:43] <slomo> mbreit: ok, i'll talk to mez when he's back ;)
[09:43] <slomo> sander: for the time beeing you'll get a hoary deb from me... just one minute please
[09:43] <mbreit> slomo: don't you have upload rights for backports yourself?
[09:43] <sander> slomo, okok. thanks alot:)
[09:44] <slomo> mbreit: sure... but i don't know if they changed their policy for -extras etc... i know nothing about the backports status atm ;)
[09:45] <sander> slomo, whould be cool of smlnj will be fixed before next ubuntu version.. but if mosml will be added.. then its np:)
[09:45] <slomo> sander: smlnj is already fixed for ppc and x86... amd64 will not work because of braindead upstream ;)
[09:45] <slomo> sander: and mosml will possibly be in breezy
[09:47] <slomo> sander: the smlnj just need some time until they are on the ftps... seems like they're in binary NEW atm
[09:47] <mbreit> slomo: can we morgue smlnj on amd64?
[09:47] <mbreit> i don't think we should ship a non working package...
[09:47] <slomo> mbreit: why morgue? there is no smlnj for amd64
[09:48] <mbreit> slomo: bh... forget about that ;))
[09:48] <slomo> mbreit: but you'll get mosml when you really want to bother again with sml ;)
[09:49] <mbreit> slomo: i hope that i'll never need that again ;)
[09:58] <slomo> sander: http://slomosnail.de/~slomo/mosml_2.01-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:52] <dholbach> good night everybody, sleep tight
[11:59] <havoc> no v4l in ubuntu's default kernel?


[02:17] <twb> When translating an LSB init script, does "Required-Start:    mountkernfs $local_fs" equate to "start on local-filesystems"?
[02:22] <twb> Hmm, ufw seems to use "start on (starting network-interface
[02:22] <twb>           or starting network-manager
[02:22] <twb>           or starting networking)"
[02:23] <twb> The comment says "# Make sure we start before an interface receives traffic", but I don't see how "starting" GUARANTEES that the ufw job will complete before any interface is up
[17:53] <yml> Hello I am trying to write an upstart script to start/stop my uwsgi instance : http://dpaste.de/jdNF/
[17:54] <yml> For some reason the it does not start. I have copied that file in /etc/init/
[17:54] <yml> yml@toulouse:~$ start -v usgi_emperor
[17:54] <yml> start: Unknown job: usgi_emperor
[17:55] <yml> is there a way to get more verbose error about the error
[18:55] <ion> You’ll probably find a parse error message in syslog. Btw, you’ll most likely confuse Upstart by using ‘expect fork’ and having a main process that doesn’t behave as the expect stanza claims.
[18:56] <yml> I see
[19:00] <yml> ion: what is the log file that i need to look at ?
[19:00] <ion> Try /var/log/syslog
[21:11] <nfearnley> I'm trying to write an upstart conf file, but I don't understand what happens when I tell a service to stop. When I tell it to start, it runs the pre-start script, then runs exec line, then runs the post-start script. When I tell it to stop, it runs the pre-stop script, does ???? to halt the service, then runs the post-stop script. Can someone fill in the blank?
[21:29] <JanC> nfearnley: it kills the process
[21:32] <JanC> well, first a TERM signal, then if that didn't work a KILL signal IIRC
[21:34] <JanC> you can set the timeout before KILL with the "kill timeout" stanza (see init(5) for that)
[22:14] <nfearnley> Thank you.