[00:00] <_0xbadc0de> so TJ the file to edit is /etc/systemd/network?
[00:01] <_0xbadc0de> and is the same syntax as it was with /etc/network/interfaces?
[00:01] <insidious> okay the issues stopped on
[00:01] <toothe> anyone here use systemtap?
[00:01] <insidious> ubuntu on xorg
[00:01] <insidious> but when i deleted compiz unity is gone
[00:03] <TJ-> _0xbadc0de: you could, but the general idea is to create a YAML netplan config in /etc/netplan/ then use "netplan generate" OR "netplan apply"
[00:03] <_0xbadc0de> https://linuxhint.com/change-from-dhcp-to-static-ip-address-ubuntu/
[00:03] <_0xbadc0de> these guys still edit /etc/networking/interfaces
[00:03] <E3X0J8S2> insidious: did you read the confirmatiton prompt? Apparently removing compiz also removes unity and ubuntu-desktop
[00:04] <insidious> no.... i just removed it.
[00:04] <insidious> i thought compiz was a 3rd party application.
[00:04] <insidious> ill just keep this window manager tho
[00:05] <insidious> do you know how to make the menu larger?
[00:05] <TJ-> _0xbadc0de: see "man 5 netplan"
[00:05] <insidious> the top bar on  ubuntu on xorg
[00:10] <rangergord> Hi. How can I troubleshoot "apt update" being super slow to download package info? FWIW, a wget test on speedtest's 10MB shows I have 250KB/s, but might be unstable.
[00:11] <rangergord> I tried setting my sources.list to use the new mirror:// URLs
[00:11] <satonio> rangergord: try change from other sources
[00:11] <insidious> https://imgur.com/a/3lRYr
[00:11] <insidious> the screenshot
[00:11] <insidious> top menu bar is way to small.
[00:15] <E3X0J8S2> rangergord: try changing to another mirror source. You can use the built in GUI for that
[00:21] <rangergord> no GUI, I'm using server. I was using mirror.txt, now I explictly switched to something nearby.
[00:21] <rangergord> still super slow. I guess it's my end? But fast.com shows me megabit speeds. wget speedtest gives me 250KB/s. Here I have to wait 3 minutes for a 2MB package info.
[00:22] <rangergord> although it's slower, it's MUCH better than using mirrors.txt
[00:25] <jer> rangergord, out of curiosity, and this is the extent to which i'll ask, but fast.com is showing many Mbps? 2 by chance?
[00:26] <rangergord> 2-5
[00:27] <rangergord> supposedly it's a site set up by Netflix to give more accurate numbers, since ISPs were faking the data when you connect to speedtest.net and others like it. Ironically I'm getting better speeds from fast than from speedtest.
[00:27] <jer> ok so that suggests there's a lot of volatility in your speeds, and successive runs might report higher speeds
[00:28] <rangergord> yeah. The 1st time I ran "apt update", it was a little slow but it got to file #39 before stalling. But I'm impatient, I did CTRL+C and ran the command again, and I was lucky to get to file 10.
[00:28] <TJ-> rangergord: is the PC using wifi ?
[00:28] <jer> i live in central america, trust me, i know that frustration =]
[00:28] <rangergord> now it's much better with the local mirror set explicitly
[00:28] <rangergord> TJ-: yeah
[00:29] <TJ-> rangergord: possibly a local wifi issue. check for retries/errors using "iwconfig"
[00:29] <rangergord> jer: omg I know. When I was there the "default Internet" was unbrowsable. I had to use extensions to block autoplay videos (before it became built into browsers), to turn images into placeholders, etc
[00:29] <TJ-> rangergord: also "invalids"
[00:31] <rangergord> looking good now. The actual apps I needed were all sub 100k, so I'm up and running
[00:31] <rangergord> but I just spent like an hour on this :)
[00:44] <noahwheeler_> hello
[00:45] <Bashing-om> noahwheeler_: Welcome, what can we help you wth ?
[00:47] <ChronDon88> well I just bricked it
[00:47] <noahwheeler_> Well I was talking last night with John the pilot 4 about using my Samsung Galaxy S8 as a hotspot for my raspberry pi with Ubuntu Mate
[00:48] <noahwheeler_> So I finally have the home network , and the hotspot so I can switch back , and forth either way I want as needed
[00:49] <noahwheeler_> When I use the Home network wi-fi I can remote desktop with my windows pc to the raspberry pi
[00:50] <noahwheeler_> when I switch to my hotspot I lose ssh , and remote desktop all together
[00:51] <noahwheeler_> I input the raspi ip adress because it changes when I use the hotspot
[00:51] <ChronDon88> well that was a wast of 2 days of my life
[00:51] <noahwheeler_> but still no remote access
[00:52] <kenrin> Do you have a VPN that can port forward.  I think that would be the only way to RDP or ssh into a mobile device
[00:52] <lordcirth> noahwheeler_, a hotspot from your phone would be running a NAT network; the raspi IP there isn't on the same network
[00:52] <lordcirth> *as your home LAN.
[00:52] <kenrin> Or if you had a home vpn on your LAN
[00:56] <noahwheeler_> what I want to do with the raspberry pi is use the hotspot from my mobile device when I'm away from home because the raspberry pi is on my drone ! And I want to ssh with my phone to the pi and run a python script to fly the drone in the field away from my home ... I can ssh with my phone , and pc , and run the script with my home wi-fi , but when I switch to the hotspot I lose the connection all together
[00:58] <kenrin> Hmm I'm not sure if that will work or not.   I know if you had a laptop and connected it to the hotspot you could ssh into the pi
[00:59] <noahwheeler_> I have the new ip adress from the pi on the samsung galaxy s8 as ---- but I type it in to remote desktop on windows pc and no connection ???
[01:02] <noahwheeler_> I try to connect ssh with phone app , and it says refuse connection ???? Why would that be ?
[01:02] <kenrin> Might be using the wrong IP,  or you have not rebooted the Pi after you put it on the hotspot so it is not listening on that IP
[01:03] <noahwheeler_> The pi is using the hotspot for the internet connection right ? So why would the connection be refused if the pi is online ???
[01:03] <kenrin> I'm assuming the pi has a internal IP for that hotspot,  probably something like 192.168.122.x
[01:03] <noahwheeler_> Okay I will reboot the pi now !!! I will return ...
[01:04] <kenrin> This is out of Ubuntu help realm btw,  Will likely get better responses on ##networking
[01:04] <noahwheeler_> yes <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:04] <noahwheeler_> according to the phone
[01:05] <kenrin> So the Pi should have a similar IP but not with the .98
[01:05] <noahwheeler_> i put that into  remote desktop , putty on desktop etcccc..... nothing ???
[01:05] <noahwheeler_> .1
[01:05] <noahwheeler_> same problem ?
[01:05] <kenrin> .1 is probably the hotspot gateway
[01:06] <IhrFussel> Can I tell du -h to give me the total size of a directory *without* listing each directory recursively?
[01:07] <kenrin> du -sh should work
[01:08] <IhrFussel> Thanks a lot =)
[01:14] <noahwheeler_> bcast  <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:14] <noahwheeler_>  mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:14] <noahwheeler_> lo  inet addr <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:14] <noahwheeler_> mask <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:14] <noahwheeler_> ???
[01:14] <kenrin> No idea what it would be unless you can console the pi
[01:14] <noahwheeler_> doesn't matter I try to connect to all and nothing ?
[01:14] <kenrin> Anything from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:14] <noahwheeler_> not in ifconfig
[01:14] <kenrin> ip a ?
[01:14] <noahwheeler_> you can log on if you want maybe you can set it up for me ???
[01:14] <kenrin> No thanks ;P   But like I said,  ##networking probably knows more about it than we do here
[01:14] <noahwheeler_> ip a ?
[01:14] <noahwheeler_>  all I have is .98 , and .255
[01:17] <noahwheeler_> All I need to do is to be able to ssh with my pc - remote desktop with my pc - ssh with my phone -... While using my mobile hotspot to pi why is that so hard to figure out ???
[01:17] <noahwheeler_> What is missing ?
[01:17] <r4d3k> hello i have problem with install Tibia.           libpcre16.so.0
[01:18] <r4d3k> somebody help me?
[01:18] <__0xbadc0de__> hello again
[01:18] <__0xbadc0de__> so I have setup ubuntu server 16 on my laptop
[01:18] <__0xbadc0de__> everything seems to be working, but I want to make sure the screen isn't on when the laptop lid is closed, is there any command I can run in order to make sure this is in deed happening?
[01:19] <hanasaki> is there a good comparison/selection matrix for the different vdisk formats supported by kvm>?
[01:19] <noahwheeler_> I can ssh with my phone - with my pc - with my home network wi-fi ... when I switch to mobile hotspot I lose everything ???
[01:20] <r4d3k> Somebody can help me with install a TIBIA?
[01:20] <noahwheeler_> there has to be a simple solution ??? inet connection is inet connection ???
[01:20] <r4d3k> Somebody can help me with install a TIBIA?!!!!!
[01:21] <bazhang> r4d3k, whats tibia
[01:21] <ech042> noahwheeler: what are u trying to do?
[01:21] <r4d3k> libpcre16.so.0 problems
[01:21] <bazhang> noahwheeler_, this is not really ubuntu specific, try ##networking
[01:22] <bazhang> r4d3k, tell us what tibia is
[01:22] <__0xbadc0de__> help with the lid?
[01:22] <r4d3k> its a game
[01:22] <r4d3k> www.tibia.com
[01:22] <r4d3k> mmorpg
[01:22] <bazhang> r4d3k, and is there a ubuntu version or not
[01:22] <r4d3k> im playing on WIN*
[01:22] <r4d3k> yes
[01:22] <r4d3k> Ubuntu version* is it
[01:23] <bazhang> r4d3k, you need to stop using the enter key after every two words
[01:23] <r4d3k> ok
[01:23] <r4d3k> https://secure.tibia.com/account/?subtopic=downloadclient&step=downloadagreement
[01:23] <bazhang> r4d3k, what version of ubuntu does the makers of tibia support
[01:24] <r4d3k> Tibia support a all version of Linux distributions
[01:24] <lordcirth> r4d3k, ok, so what's the problem then?
[01:25] <bazhang> r4d3k, so it's an outside mmropg, and its not working with your current version of ubuntu
[01:25] <__0xbadc0de__> it seems that "sudo vbetool dpms off" command does what I want, is there a way to make sure this command is executed each time the computer restarts?
[01:25] <bazhang> r4d3k, what exact version of ubuntu are you currently using
[01:25] <__0xbadc0de__> there's really only one user
[01:26] <__0xbadc0de__> and I mostly ssh into the machine
[01:26] <r4d3k> client: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre16.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:26] <bazhang> r4d3k, please answer what I just asked you
[01:27] <r4d3k> im using last version of ubuntu 17.10
[01:27] <bazhang> r4d3k, does tibia support that or not
[01:28] <r4d3k> tibia support all version of Linux*
[01:28] <r4d3k> but i have info my Libpcre16.so.0 is destroyed*
[01:28] <bazhang> r4d3k, sounds like a bug you need to report to the makers of tibia then
[01:29] <r4d3k> rlly helpfully :P hah
[01:29] <r4d3k> Have a nice night :)
[01:29] <__0xbadc0de__> wait
[01:30] <__0xbadc0de__> r4d3k
[01:30] <__0xbadc0de__> can you find this shared library?
[01:30] <r4d3k> what?
[01:30] <__0xbadc0de__> on your system=
[01:30] <__0xbadc0de__> on your system?
[01:30] <r4d3k> yes
[01:30] <__0xbadc0de__> then force the main game binary to load it
[01:31] <kenrin> The first google result shows you how to fix that libpcre16-3 error btw
[01:31] <r4d3k> not 3 but 0
[01:32] <__0xbadc0de__> try to the use the LD_PRELOAD trick and force the shared library to be loaded for that binary
[01:32] <kenrin> Or use a symlink to the tibia bin dir
[01:33] <__0xbadc0de__> can anyone help me with my lid issue?
[01:33] <__0xbadc0de__> sudo vbetool dpms off -> afaik this makes sure the screen is off (which is what I want)
[01:34] <__0xbadc0de__> can I make it happen everytime I boot?
[01:34] <kenrin> I'm not sure what that command does,  but if you just need to put it on boot then add it to rc.local
[01:34] <r4d3k> i try to fix libpcre tutorials not working
[01:34] <__0xbadc0de__> https://askubuntu.com/questions/62858/turn-off-monitor-using-command-line
[01:34] <r4d3k> thanks for help anybody i must go sleep becouse im going to the work yesterday ..3 hours left :D
[01:35] <__0xbadc0de__> r4d3k try the LD_PRELOAD
[01:35] <ech042> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid
[01:35] <r4d3k> wha is LD_PRELOAD*
[01:35] <r4d3k> what*
[01:35] <__0xbadc0de__> its an env variable to tell the elf loader to load additional shared libraries from that specific directory
[01:35] <kenrin> r4d3k: symlink is easier: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/tibia-is-a-free-to-play-mmo-that-has-supported-linux-for-a-long-time-fix-included-for-ubuntu.10810
[01:35] <__0xbadc0de__> which seems to be what you need
[01:36] <__0xbadc0de__> kerin rc.local
[01:36] <__0xbadc0de__> ?
[01:36] <r4d3k> im new user LINUX*
[01:36] <r4d3k> i dont know many tips and tricks :D
[01:36] <kenrin> The /etc/rc.local
[01:36] <kenrin> Add it without the sudo before exit 0
[01:36] <kenrin> It will run on boot
[01:36] <__0xbadc0de__> kenrin rl;dr on what is that file about?
[01:36] <__0xbadc0de__> tl;dr
[01:37] <kenrin> It is a script that is executed after the system services.  Used to be used a lot before systemd took over
[01:37] <kenrin> Mostly for custom scripts and stuff in /usr/local
[01:38] <__0xbadc0de__> cool
[01:38] <__0xbadc0de__> it runs with suid?
[01:39] <kenrin> Yeah root,  unless you are calling another script with it that has a user
[01:40] <__0xbadc0de__> okay should be fine
[01:40] <__0xbadc0de__> I have no idea on what it does either but in stackoverflow someone told that you can use that to shut down the monitor
[01:40] <__0xbadc0de__> which is what I want, to make sure I am not wasting unecessary energy even whith the lid closed
[01:41] <r4d3k> listen* im NEWB about linux i dont know standard commands to use this System !
[01:41] <r4d3k> So i dont understand You. Don't be angry to me ...
[01:41] <__0xbadc0de__> not at all
[01:42] <kenrin> No problem r4d3k.  The link I gave you should be easy to do.  Just figure out where tibia is installed and replace the /your download/tibia-11.49.6030/ with that folder
[01:43] <r4d3k> im trying now
[01:46] <__0xbadc0de__> sleep 1 && xset -display :0.0 dpms force off
[01:46] <__0xbadc0de__> apparently this command works
[01:46] <kenrin> Don't know why you would need the sleep 1,  but if it works go with it ;)
[01:48] <__0xbadc0de__> to allow X to finish all triggers
[01:49] <__0xbadc0de__> otherwise you risk turning it back on again
[01:49] <r4d3k> im rlly NOOB :(
[01:49] <r4d3k> i do not understand and im gonna die :(
[01:49] <TJ-> __0xbadc0de__: I generally put such commands in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[01:51] <r4d3k> good nights. linux dont like me :(
[01:51] <kristian_on_linu> hi all
[01:52] <kristian_on_linu> I just did # sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[01:52] <al2o3-cr> __0xbadc0de__: <IP_ADDRESS> you're nick as ipv4 address =P
[01:52] <__0xbadc0de__> wat?
[01:52] <__0xbadc0de__> ahh
[01:53] <kristian_on_linu> would there be any risk in that?
[01:55] <zap0> recommendations for a disk usage visualization app ?
[01:55] <tommygunner> good evening
[01:55] <tommygunner> zap0 ncdu
[01:55] <tommygunner> (command line)
[01:56] <tommygunner> has the issue of wifi adapters only working at around 1MBit/s in 16.04 been narrowed down at all?
[01:56] <tommygunner> i see quite a lot of reports about it online, some are from years ago
[02:00] <_0xbadc0de> what do you guys recommend for switching between applications in ubuntu server?
[02:00] <_0xbadc0de> like I want to have an irc client allways on
[02:01] <wedgie> _0xbadc0de: screen or tmux ?
[02:01] <dax> tmux or screen
[02:01] <kenrin> ZNC bouncer,  or just tmux a client
[02:03] <zap0> i tried running Synaptic from the GUI.. and it doesn't start.. how do i fix that?
[02:05] <kenrin> zap0: sudo dpkg --configure -a might fix it if you got some broken updates.   Or just start it in command line and see what errors it gives
[02:05] <zap0> ok
[02:06] <Devrim> I'm seeing some updates for grub, I'm gonna guess this is for the intel cpu issue?
[02:06] <Devrim> not sure if a patch for the issue is out
[02:07] <nacc> !kpti | Devrim
[02:07] <nacc> Devrim: if that's what you mean, then no, grub is unrelated (afaik)
[02:07] <dax> tl;dr: it's not patched, and the grub thing isn't related
[02:07] <Devrim> ok thanks
[02:07] <RNeville> Hello everyone, having problems install Skype on Ubuntu 16.04
[02:07] <nacc> dax: :)
[02:07] <RNeville> any help appreciated
[02:07] <kenrin> rhel released their patch like an hour ago.  I'd assume ubuntu one is coming tomorrow
[02:08] <Devrim> kk thanks for the info, I will keep an eye out for updates available on my systems
[02:08] <TJ-> !kpti
[02:09] <TJ-> hmmm, that's got different info to the one I was expecting!
[02:10] <dax> i keep changing it 'cause i'm annoying
[02:11] <TJ-> dax: No, I saw you update to this message, but I saw another similar snippet but it was in a different channel - got mixed up as to what is where
[02:11] <dax> ah
[02:14] <RNeville> I'm trying to install Skype using Ubuntu Software Installer and it doesn't seem to work or even give an error message
[02:17] <zap0> is there something like  windows cmd: chkdsk   for linux?
[02:18] <kenrin> There is fsck
[02:19] <S1L1K0N> Greetings everyone.  Is there a way to use the live cd/usb video drivers after installing the system?  Whichever ones the installer is picking is rendering the desktop practically unusable...
[02:20] <zap0> kenrin, i want to check the sdcard..  how do i first unmount it?
[02:20] <kenrin> umount /dev/xxx.   with xxx being the location of the card
[02:20] <kenrin> Or if you see it in natilus you can just click it there to unmount
[02:31] <hackel> Anyone know how I can disable GNOME Software trying to automatically restart my machine after updates with a 60 second countdown?  I never want this to take place, for obvious reasons.
[02:33] <wudo_honour> hei anybody who  does knows the ASM  ? why the mov %bl, 9(%rsi) would cause the segment fault?
[02:33] <_0xbadc0de> why on the flying fuck you would have to not use intel syntax
[02:33] <_0xbadc0de> what is that in intel syntax?
[02:33] <wudo_honour> at&t
[02:34] <_0xbadc0de> yes, but what is that in intel
[02:34] <Ben64> you probably want ##asm
[02:35] <_0xbadc0de> I can help you
[02:35] <_0xbadc0de> but please translate that into intel
[02:35] <Ben64> k but do that in ##asm
[02:35] <wudo_honour> ok I would try it
[02:37] <wudo_honour> for example ,  I have the string “aaaabcccc” , I want change the string b to d.
[02:37] <_0xbadc0de> w/ x64 asm?
[02:37] <wudo_honour> yes
[02:37] <Ben64> please use ##asm or PM for this, it doesn't belong here in #ubuntu
[02:38] <_0xbadc0de> inc byte ptr ds:[offset_string+4];
[02:38] <_0xbadc0de> inc byte ptr ds:[offset_string+4];
[02:38] <wudo_honour> @Ben64.   are you serious? man!
[02:38] <Ben64> yes
[02:38] <robert__> hola
[02:39] <_0xbadc0de> retards and their rules, go figure
[02:39] <Ben64> !ops
[02:39] <dax> hi
[02:39] <Ben64> hey
[02:39] <wudo_honour> ok. if you pleasure
[02:47] <blackhat> llkk
[02:47] <blackhat> oiii
[02:47] <blackhat> pooo
[02:47] <blackhat> iiii
[02:47] <blackhat> nn
[02:48] <blackhat> kkk
[02:48] <blackhat> jjj
[02:48] <dax> blackhat: let's not
[02:48] <mordof> Not sure exactly where to ask this. I'm going to be working from home soon - and I'm not sure whether I should add a little extra RAM to my current rig, and put together a "thin client" .. ish.. (3-4 monitor support).. run ubuntu in a VM and remote connect to it. OR if i build a full computer to work on
[02:49] <mordof> currently running 16gb ram, i5-6600 (or 6500 i forget).
[02:49] <mordof> my work computer at the moment is six core (amd fx-something) with 24gb ram, but i'm sure i don't tax it enough to warrant quite that much
[02:50] <zap0> 16gb is plenty
[02:50] <mordof> my main question here i quess is regarding the VM and remotely connecting - if i chose that route. would that be snappy/responsive enough if i'm pushing 20gb ram and 3-4 core use in a VM?
[02:50] <mordof> zap0: nah i push more than 16gb at times
[02:51] <mordof> not often, but enough that going into swap is a pain and i'd rather not
[02:54] <mordof> there's the fact i'd want it to be in a VM, but also that I'm looking at 3-4 monitors as well, which taxes the remote login more (depending on what methods are used/available). i'm currently only familiar with stuff like rdp/screen info being sent.. not sure how things like an X server remotely connecting would work, or if it's appropriate here
[03:00] <TJ-> mordof: I run 6 monitors across 4 X screens on 3 GPUs locally; I mostly use ssh/tmux/shell for access but can also use 'ssh -X' for remoting X
[03:03] <kenrin> I'd use something faster like nomachine if I had to remote into a GUI all the time.  quick one offs ssh -X is fine
[03:06] <mordof> hmmmm
[03:07] <zap0> TJ-, do you feel the heat from the monitors?
[03:07] <mordof> TJ-: sounds like a really interesting setup.. not sure what to take away from that. is a lot of that running on other computers?
[03:07] <mordof> kenrin: i'll check it out
[03:10] <TJ-> zap0: I can get a nice tan :)
[03:10] <TJ-> mordof: xpra can be useful; it's like tmux for X
[03:10] <zap0> CRTs?   get a nice cancer!
[03:11] <TJ-> 6 x  1920x1200 24" LCDs
[03:11] <TJ-> sorry, 5 x ... plus the laptop's 15" 1920x1200
[03:12] <zap0> i have 2 x 1920 x 1200.. and a  1600 x 1024
[03:12] <kenrin> Are those Dell?  I got some 24" dell at that resolution.  They are heaters
[03:12] <zap0> Dell U2412M  .. yeah... they are
[03:13] <TJ-> The Dell U2412M, not very hot
[03:13] <mordof> tmux for X.. ooo
[03:13]  * mordof checks it out
[03:13] <TJ-> !info xpra
[03:13] <kenrin> Not very hot?   Put your hand on one
[03:13] <TJ-> kenrin: yeah, I did, it's cool
[03:13] <zap0> put your hand on the top vent...
[03:14] <kenrin> Strange,  same model and they are on fire here
[03:14] <TJ-> cool
[03:14] <kenrin> My 22" dells don't have that problem
[03:15]  * AutoMatriX says hi ;)
[03:15] <TJ-> The U2412M is an IPS 12V DC powered unit
[03:17] <TJ-> They're driven from the laptop which has an nvidia NVS420 dual-gpu PCIe card in a ViDock attached by ExpressCard
[03:18] <revmark> Hey, I'm new to ubuntu and I'm trying to install sublime text.  its not as easy as I thought it would be.
[03:18] <kenrin> Don't they have their own repo for sublime?  What part are you stuck on
[03:19] <revmark> I don't know what to download or how to install it once I've downloaded it
[03:20] <capella> Thought it was just unpack and point your path
[03:20] <mordof> the download for linux is also just a .deb.... which launches the software installer
[03:20] <mordof> and everything should just work
[03:20] <mordof> and yes sublime also is in the repo
[03:21] <kenrin> I don't see a deb,  just a tar.bz2
[03:21] <mordof> one sec
[03:21] <kenrin> They got good instructions for adding the repo though: https://www.sublimetext.com/docs/3/linux_repositories.html
[03:22] <mordof> hmmmm
[03:22] <mordof> OH
[03:22] <mordof> i'm thinking about chrome :/  sorry, lol
[03:22] <mordof> google chrome used to be a pain.. that was the one i was happy about the .deb install
[03:35] <revmark> What the heck?  I've been messing with that all day and I do again now and it worked!  thank you all
[03:48] <revmark> are there any resources anyone would recommend for new ubuntu users
[03:48] <freddythefrog> google?
[03:49] <revmark> thanks freddythefrog!
[03:49] <freddythefrog> not being a smartass, really, google is your friend
[03:50] <revmark> oh i know.  every coder and developer I've talked to says they've made a career out of googling stuff
[03:50] <revmark> I'm really starting to believe them too
[03:51] <Bashing-om> !manual | revmark
[03:51] <eraserpencil> how could I restore default auto complete on terminal?
[03:52] <revmark> thanks everyone!  i'm going to call it a night!  thank you all again for your help!
[03:54] <eraserpencil> I was messing around with alias completion scripts last night but found none that worked for me. Would like to restore the default auto complete on tab
[03:55] <eraserpencil> currently, tab only suggests file names and not commands
[04:11] <antiPoP> hi, how can I make the desktop bars to look more windowslike?
[04:12] <kevin125> install windows theme
[04:13] <antiPoP> That also will make a single bottom taskbar?
[04:14] <kevin125> you can also install gnome-session-fallback
[04:14] <df00z> Hm, I installed Ubuntu onto an external hard drive.  I did manual partitioning.  It boots fine, but I was shocked after rebooting and pulling the device - it installed grub onto the main internal HD.  I explicitly told it not to do that, selected the USB device for grub install
[04:14] <df00z> Any idea to tell what it did?  I imagine it installed into the MBR but I have no idea.  When I UEFI boot, it shows me the windows boot loader as well as two grubs
[04:15] <df00z> The windows boot loader is still functional
[04:16] <plague> hello
[04:16] <RobWilco> hello
[04:17] <RobWilco> does anyone have any ideas on performance drop after the patches for Meltdown and Spectre?
[04:17] <RobWilco> in Ubuntu?
[04:29] <antiPoP> I have tried xrandr to set my screen to a higher resolution but I can't. How can I troubleshoot that?
[04:29] <antiPoP> just followed the unutu wiki and I get a black screen when I try a higher resolution
[04:37] <vikkram> HI
[04:37] <noahwheeler> PilotBob that is working very well !!
[04:41] <noahwheeler> mavproxy.py
[04:42] <noahwheeler> mavproxy.py
[04:58] <edlinde> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26317281/
[04:58] <edlinde> getting this error
[04:58] <edlinde> can someone help?
[05:01] <edlinde> anyone?
[05:04] <Dagronmaster> edlinde: consider doing 'apt update' before installing those packages.   I don't see the versions you're trying to grab in the repo
[05:04] <Dagronmaster> Also, consider doing 'apt-get autoremove'.  You've got a bit of cruft on your box
[05:09] <lol-md5> What should I do about "no route to host" errors when trying to connect to my server over HTTP? I can connect over Minecraft just fine.
[05:13] <edlinde> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26317438/
[05:13] <edlinde> Dagronmaster: I am getting this error everytime I try to update
[05:13] <edlinde> don't get how to get around this
[05:14] <edlinde> doing the autoremove now
[05:24] <Peppi> hello
[05:24] <Peppi> anyone here run Ubuntu on Azure?
[05:24] <raleeha> Hi
[05:25] <AsDssss1> j
[05:28] <zijieee> s
[05:29] <Peppi> I'm having a problem. Azure just did a patch to fix FUCKWIT and for some reason our two servers have either had their root user account deleted or their passwords changed. We are using 12.04 Ubuntu... yes I know it's EOL
[05:30] <Peppi> any suggestions... I'm at wits end here
[05:33] <Hiwassee> Test: qwertrt12334455zxc
[05:33] <Peppi> 1200+ asleep :(
[05:40] <Dagronmaster> lol-md5:  is your server actually listening on port 80?
[05:41] <lol-md5> yes lol
[05:41] <lol-md5> and one would think that if the server is up it would time out if the port was closed
[05:44] <lol-md5> OK and if I curl localhost I get the data I'm supposed to
[05:44] <lol-md5> But anywhere else and I get nada Dagronmaster
[05:46] <Dagronmaster> lol-md5: does 'ss -ptl | grep http' indicate your web server is listening on an interface other than localhost?
[05:48] <lol-md5> IDK what it means LISTEN     0      128       :::http                    :::*                     users:(("caddy",pid=22090,fd=6))
[05:53] <Dagronmaster> It means you're listening on all interfaces
[05:54] <Dagronmaster> are you running iptables/ufw/some other kind of firewall?
[06:01] <Dagronmaster>  odd that it's not also listening on port 443.  The caddy documentation suggests that after you get the cert set up it should listen on both port 80 and 443
[06:01] <lol-md5> I disabled 443 bc it couldn't get certificates
[06:02] <lol-md5> Probably because of this no route to host issue
[06:02] <lol-md5> UFW: 80/tcp                     ALLOW       Anywhere
[06:02] <lol-md5> 443/tcp                    ALLOW       Anywhere
[06:02] <Dagronmaster> are you trying to use the hostname of the server or the IP address?
[06:02] <lol-md5> sorry that's misaligned Dagronmaster :(
[06:02] <Dagronmaster> np, I understood
[06:02] <lol-md5> I tried both
[06:03] <Peppi> does anyone know how to solve the issue when the root user account gets corrupted?
[06:03] <Dagronmaster> Peppi: boot to single user mode and reset the root password
[06:04] <Dagronmaster> I have no clue if azure provides a console
[06:04] <Peppi> Dagronmaster: would you know how to do this on Azure by any chance?
[06:04] <Dagronmaster> nope - I've never used azure
[06:06] <Dagronmaster> Peppi: can't you reset the credentials in the portal?
[06:07] <Peppi> Dagronmaster: apparently only if you have the agent installed on Ubuntu :(
[06:08] <Dagronmaster> It does not look like the provide an interactive console.  You could try opening a support ticket and ask them to reset the root password.
[06:08] <Dagronmaster> I have no idea if they do that sort of thing.
[06:08] <Dagronmaster> Any other accounts on the VM with sudo access?
[06:09] <Peppi> Dagronmaster: negative.... we have other non sudo account... that's how we know the machines are "working"
[06:11] <Dagronmaster> :(
[06:11] <lol-md5> Dagronmaster: any ideas?
[06:11] <Dagronmaster> lol-md5:  You can access your minecraft server just fine from a remote box?
[06:11] <lol-md5> Yes
[06:11] <lol-md5> When it's running
[06:12] <Dagronmaster> unfortunately, I'm running out of ideas...  From what you've pasted, assuming I'm reading things correctly, you should at least be able to telnet (or netcat) to port 80 at the IP address
[06:13] <Dagronmaster> curl should work as well.
[06:13] <Dagronmaster> I don't really know how caddy works, but from a networking perspective it looks okay.    You're listening on port 80 on all interfaces.  ufw is allowing the traffic.
[06:14] <Dagronmaster> hmm.   Let's go old school and try netstat instead of ss:   give the following a shot:  'netstat -ntpl|grep http'
[06:15] <Dagronmaster> actually, the -n will make that fail:    try grep caddy instead of grep http
[06:15] <lol-md5> no results
[06:15] <Dagronmaster> Hmmm.     'netstat -ntpl|grep 80'  ?
[06:15] <lol-md5> tcp6       0      0 :::80                   :::*                    LISTEN      22090/caddy
[06:15] <lol-md5> aha! is it only listening on ipv6?
[06:15] <Dagronmaster> possibly, yea
[06:15] <lol-md5> same line
[06:16] <Dagronmaster> apache does something similar, but it's really listening on ipv4, too.  I don't fully understand it.
[06:16] <lol-md5> also, check this out o_O https://zerobin.net/?f04b4789c1207bcd#7TcmR1an4O0ooRnWSK9Lhh1q8zBLoSXG2WVs63DbAfI=
[06:24] <Dagronmaster> lol-md5: if your caddyfile has something like 'localhost:80' in it, try replacing 'localhost' with the ipv4 address of the server and see if that works
[06:25] <tsarompy> any kde users around?
[06:25] <tsarompy> my system tray isnt working
[06:27] <lol-md5> Dagronmaster: AFAIK that only helps if you get "404 Site X is not served on this interface" from caddy
[06:27] <lol-md5> but ok
[06:27] <lol-md5> no dice
[06:37] <Dagronmaster> lol-md5: in that case, I'm tapped.  Sorry :(
[06:40] <lol-md5> D':
[07:08] <cncr04s> any way to know if my server is "patched" for the bug
[07:09] <cncr04s> I run a secure envrionment and don't want any slowdown
[07:13] <lol-md5> cncr04s: probably not without slowdown. Patches aren't out yet.
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> !kpti | cncr04s
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> cncr04s: keep your system up to date these days, and keep track of !usn plz
[07:25] <lol-md5> !usn
[07:41] <laowang> hi
[07:42] <EriC^^> hello
[07:43] <laowang> whats the time
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> laowang: this channel has users from all kinds of timezones
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> laowang: please use this channel for ubuntu questions
[07:43] <mazhar> test
[07:44] <laowang> lotuspsychje: okok
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> !zh | laowang see also:
[07:48] <laowang> ubottu: oh! why you know witch country I am
[07:48] <laowang> ok..
[07:53] <lol-md5> ubotto: why do you know
[07:53] <lol-md5> ubottu: why do you know
[07:53] <lol-md5> ubottu: why do you know witch country i am
[07:53] <lol-md5> cool beans
[07:54] <laowang> lol-md5: well, what's client do you use?
[07:54] <freddythefrog> ubottu: which witch watch which swatch watch
[07:55] <laowang> freddythefrog: oh, wrong words
[08:00] <lol-md5> ubottu: foo
[08:00] <lol-md5> ubottu: foo bar
[08:00] <lol-md5> ubottu: quux
[08:00] <lol-md5> laowang: do you mean IRC client?
[08:01] <laowang> lol-md5: is a sofrware?
[08:01] <lol-md5> yes, IRC client is software…
[08:01] <lol-md5> IDK what you mean
[08:01] <lol-md5> 我不懂你的意思
[08:02] <laowang> lol-md5: 哈哈哈
[08:26] <fukinwot> Is it possible to expand an extended partition?
[08:27] <alkisg> fukinwot: it should be, yes
[08:27] <alkisg> And after you expand it, you can also resize the logical partitions inside it
[08:29] <absurdist> 4.4.110 stable kernel ready today to fix the KAISER vulnerability?
[08:29] <fukinwot> alkisg: I have unallocated space but the extended partition doesn't change it's maximum size on gparted
[08:29] <fukinwot> And I'm on a live USB
[08:29] <absurdist> greg posted the patch yesterday so it should be in the repo today
[08:29] <alkisg> fukinwot: sudo gparted -l; sudo sfdisk --dump /dev/sda ==> to pastebin
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> !kpti | absurdist
[08:30] <absurdist> yeah the update is already available if you compile it by yourself and stuff, so i hope they push it out today
[08:31] <fukinwot> alkisg: https://pastebin.com/GyD2WmmG
[08:31] <radix__> hello
[08:31] <radix__> friends
[08:31] <radix__> i search stable distro linux
[08:31] <radix__> help me plase
[08:31] <absurdist> i hope there is also a update for HAIKU OS lol
[08:32] <alkisg> fukinwot: did you type -L lowercase, or -one?
[08:32] <absurdist> and/or OS2
[08:32] <radix__> i seach stable linux distro
[08:32] <radix__> help me
[08:32] <fukinwot> alksig: Copied and pasted straight into the terminal
[08:32] <radix__> no bugs install all
[08:32] <absurdist> radix use FreeBSD if you want stability
[08:33] <radix__> your Linux os IS ?
[08:33] <fukinwot> Tried uppercase -L as well, same result
[08:33] <alkisg> fukinwot: can you try again, and this time put the command to pastebin as well? because I see weird output that is unrelated to the commands I gave...
[08:33] <radix__> Debian
[08:33] <radix__> ubuntu
[08:33] <radix__> mint
[08:34] <radix__> ?
[08:34] <radix__> arch
[08:34] <radix__> peppermint
[08:34] <radix__> elementary os
[08:34] <alkisg> fukinwot: i.e. pastebin this: root@alkis:~# parted -l
[08:34] <alkisg> Model: ATA WDC WD10EZEX-08M (scsi)
[08:34] <alkisg> ...(all the rest lines)
[08:34] <alkisg> !enter | radix__:
[08:35] <radix__> ok
[08:35] <radix__> my friend give me stable linux distro no bugs
[08:35] <fukinwot> alkisg : https://pastebin.com/JDm8jAUB
[08:36] <alkisg> fukinwot: ah, sorry, the first time I misstyped gparted -l instead of parted -l
[08:36] <fukinwot> Okay cool, one sec
[08:36] <radix__> friends i search stable lunix distro for my pc can you help me
[08:37] <alkisg> fukinwot: sudo parted -l; sudo sfdisk --dump /dev/sda; sudo lsblk --fs
[08:37] <alkisg> radix__: we told you yesterday, ubuntu is  stable, you can use it
[08:38] <fukinwot> alkisg : https://pastebin.com/W6XKwWvn
[08:38] <radix__> what version
[08:38] <alkisg> !download
[08:39] <alkisg> radix__: download ubuntu 16.04 from the site
[08:40] <alkisg> fukinwot: your partitions have the wrong order, but it shouldn't matter. Can you also upload a screenshot of the gparted UI where the free space shows?
[08:40] <alkisg> !screenshot
[08:40] <radix__> ubuntu is more stable or debian
[08:41] <alkisg> radix__: it's about the same
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> radix__: you been asking 3 days the same question
[08:42] <radix__> I hope there will be no bugs
[08:42] <alkisg> radix__: there exists no operating system without bugs
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> radix__: please stop that, only support questions here
[08:42] <fukinwot> Alt + Printscreen / Printscreen doesn't seem to copy the image to my clipboard
[08:43] <alkisg> fukinwot: printscreen creates a file
[08:44] <fukinwot> alkisg: https://i.imgur.com/v0Ie8Nq.png
[08:44] <fukinwot> Shrunk sda4 using windows disk management
[08:45] <fukinwot> To get that unallocated space
[08:45] <alkisg> fukinwot: right, that's what I've seen in the sfdisk dump too. The unallocated space is not near the extended partition
[08:46] <fukinwot> alksig: Is it possible/safe for me to move it?
[08:47] <alkisg> fukinwot: I think that I would do it like this: backup sda1. Delete sda1 because you can't add another partition now. Then create an ext4 primary in the unallocated space. Then clone sda5 to that new one. Then delete the extended partition and sda5. Finally, restore sda1. All that without reboot.
[08:47] <alkisg> Moving the starting point of ntfs partitions is problematic without using windows-based tools
[08:48] <alkisg> And it would take longer
[08:48] <alkisg> My approach above sounds difficult, but it's the safest and faster
[08:48] <fukinwot> alkisg: Alright, thanks
[08:48] <alkisg> To back up the small partition, you can use dd
[08:49] <alkisg> (dd it into the ext4 partition)
[08:49] <alkisg> (into a file,of course)
[09:08] <EraserPencil_> hmm
[09:22] <uchitu> #ubuntu-th
[09:25] <Neo1> Hi! I've reinstall ubuntu
[09:26] <Neo1> What apps should I install?
[09:26] <Neo1> I've solid decided do web development on ubuntu
[09:26] <lotus|bionic> Neo1: sudo apt install rar vlc preload hexchat
[09:26] <Neo1> because server works rapidly
[09:27] <Neo1> lotus|bionic: I'll install only editor and all other apps will server apps
[09:27] <Neo1> will be*
[09:28] <Neo1> I can't know install google chrome
[09:28] <Neo1> not enough rights
[09:28] <Neo1> probably
[09:29] <esperos> did you try apt-get install chrome?
[09:46] <geodb27> People : hi !
[09:47] <lotus|bionic> geodb27: welcome, how can we help you?
[09:49] <leeyaa> hi
[09:50] <leeyaa> does 16.04 lts have patch for that intel bug yet ?
[09:50] <leeyaa> i cant seem to find information
[09:51] <geirha> probably not. You can see the latest changes with   apt changelog "linux-image-$(uname -r)"
[09:52] <leeyaa> yeah not yet it seems
[09:52] <hateball> !kpti | leeyaa
[09:52] <hateball> there's no patches released yet
[09:53] <EriC^^> !cve
[09:53] <leeyaa> thanks ill subscribe to the usn
[10:01] <geodb27> I'm having issues with my ath10 pci wireless card. I'm running kubuntu 16.04 lts on a dell xps, and on some ap, it connects fine, on others (like the one I'm currently trying to use, the card is marked connected but nothing works.
[10:01] <lotus|bionic> geodb27: system up to date to latest?
[10:01] <geodb27> The bitrate is set to 1Mb/s and even "iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M" doesn't have any effect.
[10:01] <neure> geodb27, dell xps what version?
[10:01] <neure> the wireless in mine is pretty bad
[10:02] <geodb27> Indeed, my system is up to date.
[10:02] <neure> so i use dock and ethernet
[10:02] <geodb27> DELL XPS 15 9560
[10:02] <neure> i think I have the same
[10:03] <neure> i have no better or detailed info though, just just in my experience it is worse than for example in 9550
[10:03] <negev> hello, i can't see any mention of the meltdown vulnerabilities on the security page, is the fix still in development?
[10:03] <neure> i dont understand why they downgraded it
[10:03] <geodb27> I've tried all I could (set some kernel parameters for the modules, like cfg80211 mac80211 ath10k_core and so on) and even tried different drivers for wpa_supplicant (-Dwext or -Dbsd) without any effect.
[10:04] <neure> how about USB adapters?
[10:04] <neure> would dock be an option for you?
[10:05] <lotus|bionic> !kpti | negev
[10:05] <hateball> negev: short answer is yes
[10:05] <lotus|bionic> negev: idle here, and keep an eye on USN
[10:05] <geodb27> I can use the dock (a thunderbolt) otherwise, I couldn't post here. Anyway, this is annoying. If I set my cellphone to be an AP, the wifi connects and works fine.
[10:05] <negev> thanks
[10:06] <lotus|bionic> geodb27: ubuntu version and kernel?
[10:06] <neure> geodb27, cellphone as AP could be cleanest and simplest workaround if your dataplan works well enough for that
[10:06] <Amis> Is it possible to prevent a program from capturing media keys? Like wrap it, start with a preloader or something
[10:06] <neure> I dont think there is much you can do from OS/driver side if the HW/firmware is low quality to begin with
[10:09] <neure> wifi worked okay with 9550, but with 9560 I have to use the dock
[10:15] <geodb27> Ok, then I'll wait for kernel updates.
[10:18] <geodb27> To answer your question lotus|bionic: "Linux 4.10.0-42-generic #46~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 4 15:57:59 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[10:21] <Ben64> geodb27: you could get a newer kernel now in 16.04
[10:22] <geodb27> I did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y this morning ?!?
[10:22] <jotauve> hi!!
[10:22] <Ben64> geodb27: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack
[10:22] <EriC^^> geodb27: you need sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade the kernel, then reboot
[10:22] <lotus|bionic> !info linux-image-generic xenial | geodb27
[10:22] <jotauve> does someone know why my web is loading in my ubuntu with http1 but in another computer with ubuntu too is loading with http2? some idea?
[10:22] <geodb27> oh, great ! I'll try this right now, thanks a lot :-)
[10:23] <Ben64> geodb27: tldr - sudo apt install linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[10:24] <geodb27> work in progress, thanks Ben64 :-)
[10:27] <Kon-> Does 17.10 come with Korean language support? I added Korean but it writes English letters.
[10:27] <`jon> can someone help me with mpd streaming on ubuntu? i have my server set up to stream http but when i add the ip of the server and do 'mpc play' i get no sound
[10:27] <`jon> also i get this error when i do mpc stop: ERROR: Failed to decode http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000
[10:30] <Shaun> Hey, is it possible to install ubuntu to the usb drive I just booted it from?
[10:30] <Shaun> or do I need a second boot device
[10:31] <EriC^^> Kon-: go to settings > text entry
[10:31] <akik> Shaun: you need a second one
[10:31] <EriC^^> Shaun: no, you could use the grub menu of the usb to boot an .iso on your drive, and from there install to the usb
[10:31] <Shaun> Ahh poop. Thought that might be the issue
[10:31] <EriC^^> or just get another one, way easier
[10:32] <Shaun> yeah Ill go dig out a second one haha
[10:32] <Shaun> thanks guys
[10:32] <EriC^^> np
[10:32] <neure> ugh
[10:32] <neure> what do i need to configure keyboard in terminal?
[10:32] <`jon> can someone help me with mpd streaming on ubuntu? i have my server set up to stream http but when i add the ip of the server and do 'mpc play' i get no sound
[10:32] <`jon> also i get this error when i do mpc stop: ERROR: Failed to decode http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000
[10:35] <Kon-> @EriC^^ I have already added the language, but the input is not correct
[10:35] <Kon-> It is my active language. I can switch between languages normally
[10:35] <EriC^^> oh
[10:36] <Kon-> Russian works, English works. But I am typing this now with Korean as active language
[10:37] <Xooz> how to install and run android app on ubuntu through putty ?
[10:47] <adac> Is there already an update for the security issues with the intel cpus?
[10:51] <EriC^^> !kpti | adac
[10:51] <adac> EriC^^, thanks!!
[10:51] <EriC^^> adac: no problem
[11:17] <jablo> Just got a new computer, Dell XPS 15; I successfully installed Ubuntu 17.10 on it. Now I'm looking for at docking station solution for it, since I did not (my fault) know that its built in HDMI doesn't support 4K screens @60hz. Looking at the Dell site, there's USB-C docking stations and Thunderbolt docking stations. I have tried a colleague's USB-C ( WD15) --- it works at 4K@30Hz only. I'm wondering if the Thunderbolt docking station ( TB16) works with Ubuntu 1
[11:18] <jablo> Googling seems not to provide much useful information :(
[11:19] <Guest0120> Hello Ubuntu, can anyone help me with a grep? Matching a specific line is easy, however I wish to catch all lines above and under until a new line is found. See the codepad for data exemple http://codepad.org/X3mAc8LP
[11:20] <Guest0120> I cannot use A & B flags since I do not know how big the specific block is.
[11:20] <Guest0120> I only know they are seperated by a Newline
[11:23] <alkisg> Guest0120: you may want to ask in #bash or in #sed; I think you'll want to use the sed 'startline,endline///' call
[11:23] <Guest0120> Ok thanks
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:41] <jotauve> does someone know why my web is loading in my ubuntu with http1 but in another computer with ubuntu too is loading with http2? some idea?
[11:44] <Jakethepython> hello room i went to boot up ubuntu 16.04 this morning and got welcome to emergency mode
[11:45] <Jakethepython> please enter root password or press control-d to resume, if i press control D i just cycles back to enter root password
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Jakethepython,  enter the pw , then apt update && apt upgrade, that might solve your issue
[11:51] <Jakethepython> I try that and I get no IP adress
[11:52] <Jakethepython> i can't start network-manager it just sits there and doesn't "finish the task" or return to terminal command
[11:53] <hateball> Jakethepython: do you have installation media handy? I would liveboot and run an fsck against your install
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Jakethepython, or try the rescue kernel and choose networking in the dialog
[11:54] <Jakethepython> ok
[12:15] <dserodio> Any ETA on the kernel patch for Meltdown/Spectre ?
[12:20] <gdrc> forget about it
[12:26] <f_g> !kpti | dserodio
[12:29] <dserodio> Thanks f_g
[12:52] <matglas> Is it correct that what has been patched for the KPTI in the mainline kernel is not yet available in the linux-image-4.4.0-* packages of the Ubuntu repository?
[12:53] <jgjorgji> is the pti bug being fixed? any list of fixed kernels?
[12:57] <stairmast0r> my 4K/60 displayport monitor is intermittently going black for about a second, and has flickering lines of noise pop up randomly for a frame at a time. switching cables just made it worse. could this be a driver issue? HDMI is fine on the same laptop
[13:00] <eraserpencil> what is difference between flatpak flathub and flatpak gnome
[13:01] <skiboy> matglas, jgjorgji: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[13:02] <matglas> eraserpencil, thank I'll keep my on that one.
[13:02] <eraserpencil> matglas: welcome?
[13:03] <matglas> eraserpencil, yes first time around here.
[13:05] <geirha> matglas: you probably meant to thank skiboy
[13:05] <skiboy> matglas: sign up for the livepatch service, which is free for up to 3 devices
[13:06] <matglas> geirha, haha yes I see now. thanks skiboy!
[13:06] <skiboy> If you're running an LTS version, it's supported
[13:06] <skiboy> matglas: np
[13:07] <matglas> skiboy, what would livepatch do compared to the updates on the repository?
[13:07] <skiboy> matglas: it patches your kernel while it is running.  No need for a restart
[13:08] <skiboy> only works on 64-bit x86, though
[13:09] <matglas> skiboy, aah ok. Thats nice for critical systems. I don't have systems running like that currently. But its good to know for the future.
[13:09] <skiboy> matglas: even if you're just running a desktop, it's completely free.  No strings attached.
[13:09] <skiboy> matglas: I'm running it on my laptop right now
[13:10] <skiboy> If you get to the point where you want to run it on servers, it's $5 per month per device, I think
[13:11] <Ben64> only works on the normal LTS kernel too, no hwe
[13:12] <eraserpencil> and.. I cant seem to boot a bootable ubuntu usb on a MBP. bootable usb is connected to MBP through apple's multi vga - usb c adapter. Have tried multiple different ports and usb.
[13:12] <eraserpencil> On boot, I could select "Try Ubuntu without installing", but upon selection, the screen blanks and hangs
[13:12] <skiboy> eraserpencil: I think that a lot of those USB-C docks needed support in the kernel
[13:13] <skiboy> that may be the issue
[13:13] <skiboy> They're very recent patches
[13:14] <eraserpencil> I thought it was the problem of the adapter...
[13:14] <skiboy> I run some oddball hardware (Alienware 14), and you wouldn't believe the pain I went through back in 2013 just to get stuff to work
[13:14] <eraserpencil> that kind of explains why it could get to bios, but not the bootfiles
[13:15] <skiboy> MBPs also usually have problems for a while with linux
[13:15] <eraserpencil> skiboy: so I'd have to pray 17.10 has the usb c patches?
[13:15] <EriC^^> eraserpencil: grub is showing?
[13:15] <EriC^^> care to repeat your issue eraserpencil ?
[13:15] <eraserpencil> 9:12:06 PM - eraserpencil: and.. I cant seem to boot a bootable ubuntu usb on a MBP. bootable usb is connected to MBP through apple's multi vga - usb c adapter. Have tried multiple different ports and usb.
[13:15] <eraserpencil> 9:12:06 PM - eraserpencil: On boot, I could select "Try Ubuntu without installing", but upon selection, the screen blanks and hangs
[13:15] <skiboy> eraserpencil: just a theory.  I know that MBPs always take a little while to get mainline support
[13:16] <EriC^^> eraserpencil: did you try with 'nomodeset' ?
[13:16] <eraserpencil> skiboy: could you elaborate? I'm on ubuntu 16 on MBP. seems fine to me
[13:16] <skiboy> eraserpencil: I would try the suggestion from EriC^^ then
[13:18] <eraserpencil> where would I set it?
[13:18] <tcpdump> hey everyone - im trying to compile some embedded firmware and I keep getting this issue: /bin/sh: 1: mips-linux-uclibc-gcc: not found.   I cant seem to find a package that includes this.
[13:18] <tcpdump> Anyone know of one?
[13:19] <kaddi> hi, i recently did a reinstall of my ubuntu and now a couple of files aren't installed (d'uh).. I'm trying to figure out in which package curve.cls for latex is included in artful.. I've tried using apt-search but am getting no results
[13:19] <kaddi> ubuntu 17.10
[13:19] <skiboy> eraserpencil: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_mode_setting
[13:20] <skiboy> tcpdump: Is it LEDE/OpenWrt?
[13:20] <tcpdump> skiboy: its similiar - its an open source release for a TP-Link router.
[13:20] <TJ-> kaddi: "apt-file search curve.cls" ==> "texlive-pictures: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/curve/curve.cls"
[13:21] <kaddi> thanks TJ- :)
[13:21] <kaddi> pictures is an odd choice for that :p and I just installed apt-file
[13:21] <skiboy> tcpdump: If they didn't release their build environment (which they are not required to), then it could be on a different OS
[13:22] <skiboy> tcpdump: what's the router model?
[13:22] <tcpdump> Yea?  I just tried Ubuntu because they say in their README with the source to use Ubuntu 14.04+
[13:22] <tcpdump> http://static.tp-link.com/resources/gpl/TL-WA901NDV5_GPL.tar.gz  skiboy
[13:23] <tcpdump> Their source was completely broken a week ago, I emailed them, they updated it and emailed me back.
[13:23] <tcpdump> And at least now it tries to compile, im just missing that binary
[13:23] <skiboy> tcpdump: I would just use LEDE then
[13:24] <Disaster> Hello does anybody have a hint when ubuntu will release the needed intel microcode update to fix spectre / meltdown?
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> !tkip | Disaster
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> !kpti | Disaster
[13:25] <eraserpencil> skiboy: damn. meddling with the kernel seems scary. can I clarify the steps I should take?
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> Disaster: idle here in channel and keep an eye on the !usn please
[13:25] <tcpdump> skiboy: (sorry for the dumb question)  LEDE?
[13:25] <Disaster> lotuspsychje: OK thanks.
[13:26] <skiboy> eraserpencil: It's not meddling with the kernel.  It's a boot option that you can set in grub
[13:26] <tcpdump> is that a disrtro?
[13:26] <eraserpencil> before selecting " try Ubuntu without installing", I switch to runlevel 2? to set theinstructions as explained in the page?
[13:26] <skiboy> tcpdump: basically the supported fork of OpenWRT, though they're re-merging
[13:27] <skiboy> eraserpencil: oops, I posted the wrong page, sorry
[13:27] <skiboy> eraserpencil: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_parameters#GRUB
[13:28] <skiboy> tcpdump: https://lede-project.org/downloads
[13:28] <BluesKaj> tcpdump, I'm using a TP-Link Router as well and the firmware is perfectly fine, be careful with other firmwares like WRT etc, you might end up bricking your router
[13:29] <skiboy> tcpdump: use the openwrt wiki to find out which version yours is, and download the appropriate LEDE version
[13:29] <tcpdump> BluesKaj: I need to compile that firmware specifically.. There were a few bugs in it that TP-Link fixed and reposted.
[13:29] <tcpdump> So that link/source has some code that I need specifically.
[13:30] <skiboy> tcpdump: I would ask the folks over at #lede-dev to see if they have committed those changes yet.  If not, notify them, so they can can fix it for future releases
[13:31] <eraserpencil> skiboy: thanks! lets hope that works on MBP
[13:32] <eraserpencil> nomodeset would enable the usb c drivers?
[13:32] <skiboy> eraserpencil: It fixes some GPU issues
[13:33] <skiboy> eraserpencil: it tells the kernel to load the drivers only when X is started
[13:33] <EriC^^> !nomodeset | eraserpencil
[13:34] <eraserpencil> so it wasnt about usb c?
[13:34] <skiboy> eraserpencil: the dock thing was only a guess
[13:35] <eraserpencil> could I ask also what would be a next guess should that solution not work?
[13:35] <skiboy> eraserpencil: I have no idea what the issue is from here, but nomodeset fixes a lot of issues
[13:35] <gabriel_> yo
[13:35] <gabriel_> anyone here?
[13:35] <skiboy> eraserpencil: how new is the hardware
[13:35] <skiboy> eraserpencil: and what Ubuntu version
[13:36] <eraserpencil> 16.04 and about a year old MBP
[13:36] <skiboy> eraserpencil: what is currently running on the MBP?
[13:36] <skiboy> OSX?
[13:37] <eraserpencil> macOS?
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> !ask | gabriel_
[13:37] <eraserpencil> :)
[13:37] <skiboy> eraserpencil: It may not be supported by 16.04 then
[13:39] <skiboy> eraserpencil: That's always an issue with newer hardware
[13:39] <skiboy> eraserpencil: especially MBPs
[13:40] <skiboy> eraserpencil: needless to say, Apple isn't exactly one to provide details of their hardware or contribute to the kernel
[13:42] <eraserpencil> skiboy: ahh I hope you're wrong. really need 16.04 on that MBP. ROS dont work well for non LTS versions..
[13:43] <skiboy> eraserpencil: what is the exact model of the laptop
[13:44] <eraserpencil> skiboy: no idea, it's a colleagues.
[13:45] <skiboy> eraserpencil: https://www.cberner.com/2016/06/08/installing-ubuntu-16-04-macbook-pro-retina-101/
[13:47] <eraserpencil> skiboy: seems like the normal steps
[13:47] <eraserpencil> but refind sounds like a good tip. im surprised it would be that easy to install
[13:49] <tx> is there a separate channel for ubuntu landscape?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> !landscape | tx dont think so
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> tx: seems like you can contact canonical with a form online
[14:32] <pikapika> Hi
[14:32] <pikapika> About the Intel flaw that was recently discovered
[14:32] <pikapika> Has a fix been released for Ubuntu?
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> !kpti | pikapika
[14:32] <pikapika> How do I obtain it for my machine?
[14:32] <tx> apt-get
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: idle here and check on !usn please until its fixxed
[14:33] <pikapika> Thank you
[14:33] <pikapika> Just out of curiosity, has a fix been officially released for any other Linux?
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: i was reading something about fedora and higher kernels
[14:34] <matglas> pikapika, a distro you mean? I know it has on the mainline kernel
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: join #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[14:35] <pikapika> Er actually I have zero knowledge in these matters, in fact I just installed this a few days ago. I just came here to find out if a fix was released and how to use it
[14:35] <pikapika> But thanks for asking
[14:41] <absurdist> still waiting for 4.4.110
[14:47] <sstory> I personally like the MATE desktop. Which is better, install Ubuntu and then add MATE? Or install ubuntu-mate? If the latter is that a safe source from which to get an OS? Just trying to decide
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> sstory: if you like a flavor, choose the full install
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | sstory
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> sstory: 2 flavors mixxed up, works but all go smoother when single install
[14:52] <sstory> lotuspsychje: Thanks!
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> sstory: that doesnt mean you cant testout other flavors ontop of course..
[15:15] <Fallenour> O/
[15:16] <Fallenour> Hey guys my juju controller randomly stoppef being a juju controller, its really weird, and it wont respond to queries to recover from the backups. What are my options?
[15:16] <Fallenour> I deployed it from one system to a dedicated cobtroller via maas
[15:16] <Fallenour> 1 still has juju, but my controller has stopped working
[15:17] <Fallenour> Any help or pointers are greatly appreciated. My project is supposed to be production and live on monday.
[15:23] <Guest78497> i tried to access usb via python3 and libusb1. installed the library wrapper via pip. device is connected, listed on lsusb. but i only get timeout when i try to access it. any advice?
[15:25] <arussel> how do you disable Ctrl-Alt-F* binding in wayland ?
[15:29] <geodb27> People hi again ! Thanks to this morning help, I'm now running 4.13.0-21-generic kernel on my kubuntu laptop. However, the linux firmware are still quite "old".... How can I update these without breaking all my system ?
[15:32] <doublehp> I have two systems with ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS Xenial, but they use different kernels, 4.13.16-sunxi and 3.4.113-sun8i; how do I ask the old system to update to kernel 4 ?
[15:34] <TJ-> doublehp: those aren't Ubuntu kernels
[15:36] <doublehp> TJ-: my /etc/apt/sources.list contains only lines pointing to http://ports.ubuntu.com/
[15:38] <Guest50463> How can I get rid of this PPA? https://pastebin.com/ZWBBa05J
[15:40] <TJ-> doublehp: can you identify the source of the kernel using "apt-cache search -n sunxi" ?
[15:40] <deem> Guest50463: you can delete it. it may be either in /etc/apt/sources.list or in one of the files located in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[15:42] <TJ-> !ppa-purge | Guest50463
[15:42] <doublehp> is debian pastebin down ?
[15:43] <doublehp> TJ-: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26319976/
[15:44] <doublehp> TJ-: ah ... while reading deem and Guest50463 , I do have an http://apt.armbian.com line in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/armbian.list ...
[15:44] <TJ-> doublehp: what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-next-sunxi" report ?
[15:44] <doublehp> TJ-: still, that line is identical on both machines
[15:44] <TJ-> doublehp: aha, I thought it must :)
[15:45] <doublehp> TJ-: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26319989/
[15:45] <TJ-> doublehp: that's from https://www.armbian.com/   - looks like they ship their kernel and the Ubuntu userland
[15:46] <doublehp> TJ-: yes, maybe, probably; i just want to know how to update the old machine; I am pretty sure a recent kernel is available
[15:46] <TJ-> doublehp: ask then, as I said, it's not an Ubuntu kernel
[15:47] <doublehp> considering ubuntu, the kernel is a package ... i am just asking how to update a package
[15:47] <nacc> doublehp: ask your vendor
[15:47] <nacc> doublehp: yours is not ubuntu :)
[15:51] <TJ-> doublehp: in other words, if armbian don't publish an updated kernel package, you cannot update - obviously
[15:51] <doublehp> TJ-: updated kernel exists, because it's installed on one machine !!!
[15:52] <dax> so go ask them why it's not installed on the other one, then
[15:52] <Goofy_51> hi, is there any information when an update for spectre/meltdown will be available for 16.04?
[15:53] <nacc> !kpti | Goofy_51
[15:53] <dax> Goofy_51: Nope. the original release plan was the 9th, then it went public early, so the relevant folks are attempting to expedite things a bit but don't have an ETA yet
[15:55] <Goofy_51> dax not too bad yet, was just curious if there is any approx time
[15:55] <dax> nope, not yet
[16:12] <slee> hi, does anyone know if the linux devs are working on patches for this recently discovered CPU flaw known as Meltdown and Spectre that lets hackers bypass hardware barriers to access your RAM?
[16:13] <nacc> slee: just asked and answered, yes, of course
[16:13] <nacc> slee: no eta on when it will be present in Ubuntu, at least
[16:13] <slee> cool, thanks
[16:13] <mst89> !kpti | slee
[16:14] <slee> sweet, thanks again
[16:15] <Neo1> register --help
[16:15] <Neo1>  /msg NickServ help
[16:17] <dax> Neo1: you already made an account, so you're probably looking for /msg nickserv help identify
[16:17] <Neo1> dax: not registered
[16:17] <dax> NickServ begs to differ
[16:19] <deem> doublehp: could you nopaste a "dpkg -l | grep linux-*"?
[16:20] <doublehp> deem: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26320163/
[16:21] <deem> doublehp: is the machine with the old kernel the same hardware as the other one?
[16:22] <doublehp> deem: very close, not identical; CPU is slightly different, by an hair
[16:23] <Neo1> d
[16:23] <jer> mst89, that's actually wrong information; spectre cannot be fully mitigated by software
[16:24] <jer> the only real solution to spectre is to replace your cpu with a cpu that isn't affected (read: nothing mainstraim isn't affected at the moment)
[16:24] <deem> doublehp: than one last command please, "apt policy linux-image-sun8i"
[16:25] <doublehp> deem:  any command, as long as it helps in the end https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26320189/
[16:26] <deem> yea.. no, that's what i thought
[16:26] <deem> the machine with the old kernel doesn't provide a never kernel image
[16:26] <deem> newer*
[16:27] <doublehp> deem:  back in half an hour ...
[16:29] <revmark> is anyone running 16.04 LTS? I just got an internal errror message
[16:29] <KrisDouglas> revmark, on what?
[16:30] <revmark> the os iteself
[16:32] <catphish> revmark: lots of people are running 16.04, what is this error?
[16:36] <revmark> its a screen flicker at this point.  I sent the error report I didn't copy it though
[16:41] <enko-w> <3
[16:42] <MrCrackPotBuilde> need peeps opinion as always 3 months of heavy use has nuked my ubuntu os so performing the quarterly format but should i give 17.10 a blast or stick with 16.04 until april
[16:43] <nacc> MrCrackPotBuilde: uh, you shouldn't need to reinstall Ubuntu because you are using it heavily. You are doing something wrong.
[16:45] <MrCrackPotBuilde> nah its normal
[16:45] <MrCrackPotBuilde> since 1999 every half year or so i reformat
[16:45] <catphish> in theory nacc is right, but i do enjoy an occasional nuking too
[16:46] <MrCrackPotBuilde> the problem is the installing uninstalling reinstalling
[16:46] <catphish> i'd probably give 17.10 a go now, gnome desktop as standard now :)
[16:46] <MrCrackPotBuilde> then the testing new programs
[16:46] <sacioz> hello
[16:46] <MrCrackPotBuilde> it all leaves something behind and then with internet use etc etc i find that it starts too lag and just be an annoyance
[16:47] <sacioz> just steaky beaking ,mind me not
[16:47] <MrCrackPotBuilde> mmmm the only thing is 17.10 i read still has a kernal error
[16:47] <MrCrackPotBuilde> and honestly is it worth risking it hahah
[16:47] <catphish> kernel error?
[16:48] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i mean i have a few bios chips lying around but its so much hassle
[16:48] <MrCrackPotBuilde> yer for certain laptops mainly lenovo theres some bug that destroys the bios
[16:48] <MrCrackPotBuilde> its the main reason im umming and arrrrring
[16:49] <MrCrackPotBuilde> if its going to nuke my bios id rather wait till april
[16:49] <MrCrackPotBuilde> theres been no fix as of yet and tbh i dont expect one
[16:49] <sacioz> bye for now...))
[16:49] <MrCrackPotBuilde> april is only 4 months away
[16:49] <revmark> does anyone know how to stop my desktop from flickering?
[16:49] <MrCrackPotBuilde> thats a driver error
[16:50] <tomreyn> MrCrackPotBuilde: are you referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147 ?
[16:50] <MrCrackPotBuilde> only thing is too nuke
[16:50] <catphish> MrCrackPotBuilde: that sounds extremely serious :|
[16:50] <MrCrackPotBuilde> it is hahaha
[16:50] <tomreyn> so much FUD, i can only guess
[16:50] <MrCrackPotBuilde> but im hoping the new distro will also fix the flickering
[16:50] <catphish> i didn't even think it was possible to accidentally overwrite a bios :)
[16:50] <MrCrackPotBuilde> hahahaha oh it is
[16:50]  * catphish reads
[16:51] <MrCrackPotBuilde> have you not accidently nuked your own os yet
[16:51] <MrCrackPotBuilde> hahahah 2002 was my first
[16:51] <MrCrackPotBuilde> tomreyn normally it only happens after the screen comes back from sleep correct
[16:52] <MrCrackPotBuilde> just click any open windows and itll disapear untill the next screensaver
[16:53] <tomreyn> MrCrackPotBuilde: i'm only referring to your "the only thing is 17.10 i read still has a kernal error [..] for certain laptops mainly lenovo theres some bug that destroys the bios" statements there
[16:53] <MrCrackPotBuilde> ive been looking for a fix for that for the last 6 months and to my knowledge there isnt one
[16:53] <tomreyn> i'm not mixing up different issues
[16:53] <MrCrackPotBuilde> ooops sorry
[16:53] <TJ-> MrCrackPotBuilde: if you're reinstalling every 3 months, you'd be better off installing once using LVM, taking a snapshot, and restoring the snapshot when you want to 'reset' ... with a separate /home/ file-system that would be a 5 second operation
[16:53] <MrCrackPotBuilde> that was all for revmark
[16:54] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i use qubes on my main laptop
[16:54] <MrCrackPotBuilde> that works wonders
[16:54] <MrCrackPotBuilde> but for this hunk of junk being as old as i am id rather just nuke
[16:55] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i have all my back ups and it doesnt take long
[16:55] <hardrada> Before i could press the "windows" button on my keyboard and the dash "application" window would pop up. But after ubuntu upgrade i cant do the same. What to do now ?.
[16:55] <MrCrackPotBuilde> hardrada check your keyboard shortcuts check to see if its still valid and then check to see if the key works
[16:55] <catphish> MrCrackPotBuilde: i can't see how this is anything but a firmware bug, though that obviously doesn't help anyone with an unbootable system
[16:56] <MrCrackPotBuilde> not sure but its too major for me too just risk it on a whim
[16:56] <MrCrackPotBuilde> my stack of computers is slowly building up again
[16:56] <MrCrackPotBuilde> id rather like to keep it down this year
[16:58] <tomreyn> MrCrackPotBuilde: did you read the bug report? the issue has been fioxed a while ago.
[16:58] <MrCrackPotBuilde> it hasnt
[16:59] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i know linux is bad but they arent that bad to not update the website after a major fix
[16:59] <MrCrackPotBuilde> the bug is still present
[16:59] <TJ-> MrCrackPotBuilde: yes, it had. The module is no longer included in the kernel images
[16:59] <hardrada> MrCrackPotBuilde, what is the "Show Applications" named in the keyboard shortcuts? And what is "Super+10?" What is the key super ?
[16:59] <MrCrackPotBuilde> my super key is fn
[17:00] <MrCrackPotBuilde> Tj could you link the page please
[17:00] <MrCrackPotBuilde> im still a little doubtful
[17:00] <oerheks> super = windows key
[17:00]  * tomreyn gives up
[17:00] <hardrada> Oh, thanks. And what is the "Show Application" in keyboard shortcut?. I want that to be activated when i press the "windows / Fn" key.
[17:01] <oerheks> MrCrackPotBuilde, you posted the bugreport with fix release yourself.. time to read it?
[17:02] <MrCrackPotBuilde> ah sorry my bad
[17:02] <MrCrackPotBuilde> i scanned the issues looking for the comments thinking the download page would have been updated
[17:04] <MrCrackPotBuilde> well 17.10 it is then
[17:04] <MrCrackPotBuilde> might as well have a play before april and nuke again haha
[17:05] <MrCrackPotBuilde> mmmmmm still undecided
[17:05] <MrCrackPotBuilde> last comment is yesterday
[17:06] <MrCrackPotBuilde> with reports still happening
[17:18] <Neo4> what is 's'? hmod g+s
[17:18] <Neo4> xrw and +s?
[17:19] <Neo4> see this row (sudo find /var/www -type f -exec chmod u+rw {} +)
[17:19] <Neo4> it put s to group  for files
[17:20] <simon-AS559> In this case "setgid" or "set group id".
[17:20] <simon-AS559> When a file with g+s is executed, the resulting process will get its effective group ID from that file's group.
[17:20] <Neo4> not it put on folder
[17:21] <Neo4> sudo find /var/www -type d -exec chmod g+s {} +
[17:21] <simon-AS559> For a directory ("folder"), it means that new files created in that directory will have the directory's group as their group.
[17:21] <doublehp> deem:  ?
[17:22] <simon-AS559> (I was confused because your first example said "-type f")
[17:22] <Neo4> simon-AS559: see my folder has this rights
[17:22] <Neo4> drwxrwsr-x  9 neo www-data     4096 січ  4 19:15 wp-content
[17:22] <Neo4> what this is giving me?
[17:22] <simon-AS559> As I said:
[17:22] <Neo4> simon-AS559: I confused
[17:22] <simon-AS559> When a new file is created within that directory, the new file will have the same group as the directory.
[17:22] <Neo4> watched right ls -l /var/www/kselax.ru and I see there s with folder only
[17:23] <simon-AS559> (Without the g+s on the directory, a newly created file will inherit the group of the creating process.)
[17:23] <Neo4> simon-AS559: it give 's' right?
[17:23] <Neo4> simon-AS559: understand
[17:24] <Neo4> simon-AS559: and if it is on file what do it in this case? Doesn't it have any sense for files?
[17:25] <Neo4> well, better I'll experiment and than will have known
[17:33] <Neo4> simon-AS559: I've created file test inside folder with g+s and it get group 'www-data', without g+s it would get 'neo' group
[17:33] <Neo4> understood, will use g+s for inheritance
[17:34] <simon-AS559> Exactly
[17:35] <robert45> hi guys, any easy way to remove old kernels while you have 100% inode usage? I cant find anything else to remove: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26320606/
[17:35] <DeeKing> no audio from rear line out only from front USB port on Gateway 838GM running Realtek ALC 880 chip and HDA Intel card
[17:38] <catphish> robert45: if i was about to delete the package anyway, i'd probably manually delete the relevent modules from /lib/modules, lots of files there, obviously make sure to delete the package that installed them immediately afterwards
[17:39] <catphish> robert45: however, seems like there should be something else you could fix, running out of inodes is pretty unusual unless something's gone wrong and is creating huge numbers of empty files
[17:40] <robert45> thanks, I ended up doing mv linux-headers-4.4.0-7* /data
[17:40] <catphish> that'll do it :)
[17:40] <catphish> again, just make sure you remove the associated package afterwards to keep things tidy
[17:40] <robert45> yep, thanks!
[17:41] <catphish> time to go home :)
[17:47] <RonWhoCares> I am trying to use update-alternatives to assign "python" to 3.6 ; Instead it is using python 3.52   Any idea what I have to do differently?  update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python3 1
[17:50] <monk12> hey all, i have an ubuntu + windows 7 dual boot (windows was installed 1st, then ubuntu)... note this is on a GPT/UEFI formatted hard drive... and for a while I had the windows bootloader coming up 1ste, then grub after i selected the Ubuntu option from the Windows bootloader...
[17:51] <monk12> then something happened and stopped working, and maybe i ran Boot Repair (or something else, i forget), now the Grub bootloader comes up 1st, then Windows if i pick Windows... i guess grub took over. anyway to reset this?
[17:52] <monk12> i heard Windows BootLoader is preferred to be the main bootloader otherwise cant do Windows SP1 updates or Windows hibernation messes up.
[17:52] <atrus> monk12: check your "bios" settings (not really bios in this context i guess, but w/e) -- it might be selecting the fedora efi boot by default instead of the windows efi boot. you may also be able to hit a key at boot time to select a book device, and see the available EFI boot targets, before windows/grub bootloaders start.
[17:53] <atrus> (er, s/fedora/ubuntu/ here, filling this in with my bias ;) )
[17:53] <Neo4> I can't change extension of file
[17:54] <Neo4> create new file and will create text
[17:54] <Neo4> try rename to test.php and I'll get test.php.text
[17:54] <atrus> monk12: fwiw, i switch back and forth regularly between grub booting by default and windows booting by default (using efitool, or the windows equivalent), and haven't had any issues installing updates.
[17:54] <Neo4> can't change that text
[17:54] <monk12> k ill take a look at BIOS setting...  pressing F12 at startup, i was able to choose a boot device manually, i saw ubuntu and windows options in there (and my USB drive in there). my USB drive was actually Boot Repair which didnt run for some reason this time. Does the USB Boot Repair need to be formatted in a special way for UEFI/GPT partitions?
[17:56] <Neo4> oh it's only text that text in real it has .php )
[17:56] <Neo4> it's my bad luck )
[17:56] <monk12> atrus: with grub as the main boot loader, go into windows and try hibernating. Im curious if it works. for me i turn it on "powercfg /h off" then "powercfg /h on". i see a new hiberfile.sys file created, but never can hibernate back into windows. wonder if grub being the main loader means hibernate cant work
[17:56] <atrus> monk12: i'm not familiar with 'usb boot repair', sorry.
[17:57] <monk12> oh... Boot Repair is a famous USB live cd utility to fix dual boot type issues like this. thought I'd also give it a run.
[17:57] <Neo4> atrus: remove all files from USA and put there new ubuntu and reinstall all
[17:57] <atrus> monk12: ah, interesting. i don't use hibernate much, so there could be something awkward there. not sure.
[17:57] <lord4163> Hasn't Canonical released a patch yet for #cpugate?
[17:58] <atrus> monk12: so, in your "bios" menu, you should be able to select which efi target to boot by default (just like you used to be able to select a hard drive to boot by default in the pre-efi days)
[17:58] <atrus> monk12: or....
[17:58] <EriC^^> monk12: yeah, type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999' in a terminal and paste the link it gives you here
[17:59] <TJ-> !kpti | lord4163: no, and upstream hasn't finalised the patch-set yet, there may be more to come to fix regrssions
[17:59] <Neo4> atrus: what means efs? probably no, you can only chose the order of devise for boot
[17:59] <Guy1524> I have compiled wine staging with a small patch, and I would like to share my build.  However, in total, it is 3.3 GB  However, when I do apt show wine, I see: Installed-Size: 6,144 B  How do I only send the important parts?
[17:59] <monk12> atrius: k ill check my Lenovo W540 laptop settings and see where/what it chooses the EFI boot target... would it also be in the same area where BIOS settings are?
[18:00] <atrus> monk12: i guess it might be configurable via efi state! that's actually what i usually do. efitool in the ubuntu command line can set the default efi targets, and iirc i'm using "EasyUEFI" to change those settings in windows
[18:00] <Neo4> atrus: you mean choose there which partition will use for load OS? No you can't
[18:00] <TJ-> Guy1524: because 'wine' is a meta package, which depends on others that carry the binary components
[18:01] <monk12> K EriC^^, ill log into my Ubuntu later tonight and try that efibootmgr command (dont have in front of me, at work now).
[18:01] <atrus> Neo4: when using efi boot mode (instead of legacy bios boot) it's different. you can even have multiple bootable targets in a single partition, across multiple partitions, in addition to multiple boot devices.
[18:02] <monk12> cool ill have to check out EasyUEFI... i think i used to use EasyBCD, then i dont think i saw an equivilent when i switched to UEFI/GPT.
[18:02] <atrus> monk12: efitool (and easyuefi) are pretty cool to play with. you can change boot defaults, and you can even specify a different boot target just for the next single boot -- so you could say "when i reboot next,  go to linux instead of the current default, but go back to windows on the *next next* reboot"
[18:02] <Neo4> atrus: Don't know, seems it's impossible, you can have only one partition and one bootable OS in it,
[18:03] <Neo4> atrus: and goube or windowsLoader choose what will  load
[18:03] <Neo4> atrus: what is your problem? You can't load any OS?
[18:04] <atrus> Neo4: you're not reading, sorry, but i don't have time to try to catch you up. you may find reading more about efi booting to be interesting though. good luck.
[18:04] <Neo4> atrus: ok :), will do it later
[18:09] <sstory> How come Ubuntu supports 16.04 until 2021 but Ubuntu Mate only supports it until April of next year?  I can't imagine completely redoing multiple PCs every year.
[18:11] <hggdh> sstory: different flavours have different support plans
[18:11] <Neo4> sstory: probably ubuntu Mate is other branch and will only april
[18:11] <Neo4> yes probably
[18:11] <Neo4> hggdh: use better this LTS long turm support
[18:12] <Neo4> hggdh: ubuntu mate can be not LTS
[18:12] <hggdh> Neo4: what is LTS (and how long it lasts) will vary
[18:13] <Neo4> hggdh: long term support untill 2021
[18:14] <Neo4> hggdh: there exists other ubuntu 17.10 that support only 9 months
[18:14] <monk12> i guess a more general question... do I have to do anything special to make a Live USB (whether its supergrub, boot repair, ubuntu live, etc) for UEFI/GPT? or just follow the regular simple steps and created with UNetBootin'?
[18:16] <ElPestana> Hello, Is secure to install 17.10 on a 5 year old Asus N56 considering the BIOS issue (I know it is not in the affected list)?
[18:17] <Phatalis> hello. after downloading and trying ubuntu 17.10 i wonder why many package names cant be found. (hexchat, virtualbox, etc.)
[18:18] <Neo4> monk12: don't know, you can load ubuntu from USB, there at fist show window where you can choose whether load live ubuntu or install. Probably nothing if you can load from USB and use it like live USB ) But it is not exactly )))
[18:18] <Neo4> Phatalis: where in store?
[18:19] <Phatalis> Neo4: in store? no, i got the iso from the website
[18:19] <Neo4> Phatalis: and there not exists those packages? Where you find them?
[18:20] <k1l0b1t> Phatalis: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:20] <Phatalis> i did that
[18:20] <Neo4> Phatalis: I know those apps is resized in store, you should go to store and install from there
[18:20] <Nightmehr__> Hello :)
[18:20] <Phatalis> for a mysterious reason it connected with archive.ubuntu.com
[18:21] <Neo4> Phatalis: and? What the problem?
[18:21] <Phatalis> is that related?
[18:21] <hggdh> Phatalis: which is not bad, archive.u.c is the main Ubuntu archve
[18:21] <redphantom> Anyone know of a good crypto price widget or tool? I'm using KDE
[18:21] <freddythefrog> I've been able to install those packages in every ubuntu I had
[18:21] <Devrim> !kpti
[18:21] <Neo4> Phatalis: you can't find those packages in store?
[18:21] <Phatalis> i have no idea what you mean by store in this context
[18:22] <Neo4> Phatalis: I mean 'ubuntu software'
[18:22] <Phatalis> i dont use that
[18:22] <Neo4> Phatalis: store is placed where resized all applications, in linux you can't install something from anywhere
[18:22] <Neo4> Phatalis: and how you are installing it?
[18:23] <Neo4> Phatalis: where you seek packages? on disk?
[18:23] <Phatalis> hold on, i dont think we understand each other
[18:23] <Neo4> Phatalis: probably
[18:23] <Neo4> Phatalis: :)
[18:23] <Phatalis> when i use "apt-cache foo" it tells me "not found" for many packages
[18:24] <Neo4> Phatalis: try use this sudo apt-get install -f
[18:24] <dv`_> apt-cache search hexchat shows me hexchat
[18:24] <Neo4> Phatalis: it can add all absence files
[18:24] <Phatalis> hmmm
[18:24] <dv`_> Phatalis: maybe you don't have some repositories enabled
[18:24] <Neo4> Phatalis: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f
[18:24] <hydruid> Phatalis, The correct format is this: apt-cache search foo
[18:25] <Phatalis> hydruid: typo, yes. i am nervous
[18:25] <hydruid> Phatalis, what packages are you searching for? I will try to search them on my machine
[18:25] <Neo4> Phatalis: see yes, you can have unable repositories if you have chosen not your country, before I a few times installed and chose USA country and store worked wrong
[18:25] <S2JK0FB2> Phatalis: check you have the right repositories enabled, then do an apt update
[18:26] <Phatalis> ok, i do that first
[18:26] <Neo4> Phatalis: when installing ubuntu chose always your country where you place, instead you can have problems with repos
[18:26] <Neo4> if you in Europe don't set up USA
[18:28] <S2JK0FB2> Neo4: don't think it matters, just that doing so may result in slower speeds
[18:29] <Neo4> S2JK0FB2: don't know, before I did a few time it and have problem with ubuntu software center, now put my real location and everything works well
[18:29] <Neo4> or it was one usual bugs among many :)
[18:30] <Neo4> what is snap?
[18:30] <Neo4> in ubuntu I see there two goldendict
[18:30] <Neo4> one from snap and one usual
[18:30] <dv`_> Neo4: https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy
[18:32] <Neo4> dv`_: it means these apps are equal. I thought there are dictionaries...
[18:32] <Phatalis> i have no universe repo enabled. thats why i am missing all those things, lol
[18:32] <Neo4> doesn't matter from where install
[18:32] <S2JK0FB2> Phatalis: What version are you on? There should be a GUI tool for that
[18:33] <Phatalis> S2JK0FB2: i use the 17.10 as livecd
[18:33] <S2JK0FB2> Phatalis: That's probably why. Try again
[18:33] <Phatalis> nooo
[18:38] <Phatalis> happy times :)
[18:47] <merpnderp> Anyone know of an Ubuntu friendly laptop selling with AMD's raven ridge?
[18:47] <merpnderp> 2500U/2700U
[18:56] <brainwash> merpnderp: they are already available?
[18:57] <merpnderp> brainwash: I found an HP envy 360 with a 2500U that is very well priced.
[18:57] <merpnderp> But no idea if wifi/bt works on it.
[18:57] <merpnderp> http://store.hp.com/us/en/ConfigureView?catalogId=10051&langId=-1&storeId=10151&urlLangId=&catEntryId=3074457345618626318&quantity=1#!
[18:57] <merpnderp> I wish S76 carried Ryzen
[18:58] <brainwash> I guess you should look up the components then
[18:58] <brainwash> wifi, bt,..
[18:58] <merpnderp> brainwash: how?
[18:58] <merpnderp> I mean this is a brand new laptop that shares the same name with like a dozen other laptops
[18:58] <brainwash> in the specs?
[19:00] <merpnderp> brainwash: from the specs "802.11ac (2x2) Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® 4.2 Combo"
[19:00] <merpnderp> But they accept returns for up to 30 days.
[19:00] <merpnderp> So......Give it a go and if it doesn't work, return it?
[19:01] <brainwash> I guess so
[19:01] <brainwash> not much else you could do at this point
[19:01] <brainwash> also, you'll probably have to test with 18.04 development release
[19:02] <S2JK0FB2> merpnderp: alternative, look for posts on getting linux running on the same model, most reviewers perform excessive tests on wifi
[19:02] <jhutchins_wk> It'd be great to find a site that regularly reviewed new laptops for linux compatibility, but I haven't found one yet.  Tomshardware.com does some.
[19:02] <merpnderp> S2JK0FB2: I can't even find the model number :(
[19:03] <merpnderp> http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-envy-x360-convertible-laptop-15z-touch-1za07av-1
[19:03] <S2JK0FB2> merpnderp: If you can't seem to find anything (i.e. uncommon model), try using reddit's search function
[19:04] <merpnderp> Found it: 1ZA07AV_1
[19:04] <merpnderp> Looks like people on Redit like it. But no links for linux
[19:05] <S2JK0FB2> merpnderp: apparently after a 30 second glance, there appears to be wifi issues for HP envy x360
[19:05] <merpnderp> sjLonghorn: so either use one of the two usb ports for wifi or......
[19:05] <merpnderp> Wait
[19:18] <Tuxedo> hello there
[19:18] <XAlkindiX> Tuxedo: Hello
[19:18] <XAlkindiX> exit
[19:23] <freddythefrog> how can I configure `Fn`+`PrtSc` keystrokes to invoke Screenshot program in xubuntu, as opposed to xubuntu's default one? the latter is very limited options wise
[19:24] <freddythefrog> it may be the very same program in fact
[19:24] <freddythefrog> it's just currently configured to capture the whole screen
[19:24] <freddythefrog> as opposed to asking me whether I want the whole screen, a region, or ...
[19:24] <freddythefrog> active window, yes
[19:25] <Tuxedo> hmmm.. no one seems to know the answer
[19:26] <whaomi> hello
[19:26] <Tuxedo> hello
[19:28] <XAlkindiX> Hello All
[19:28] <Tuxedo> hello
[19:31] <whaomi> hello
[19:32] <Tuxedo> yes hello
[19:33] <whaomi> I'm a newbie
[19:34] <Tuxedo> ok welcome then :-)
[19:34] <Tuxedo> what Linux are you using ?
[19:34] <whaomi> using ubuntu mate
[19:35] <Tuxedo> Good distro... i am on Ubuntu Mate also...
[19:36] <Kon-> I read that as "using Ubuntu, mate"
[19:36] <whaomi> good tuxedo
[19:36] <Tuxedo> hehe... "Ubuntu MATE"
[19:37] <whaomi> hehe
[19:38] <Tuxedo> yes.. it suits my needs... have triyet alot of distros.. but seems to allways going back to Ubuntu MATE..
[19:38] <sstory> So it seems that in order to get MATE on Ubuntu with LTS I need to install Ubuntu 16.04 and then install MATE and change it to default to that?
[19:39] <S2JK0FB2> sstory: that works.  Just install it.
[19:39] <sstory> S2JK0FB2: Well...the thing I brought up before is that Ubuntu MATE doesn't seem to do LTS. It expires next year.
[19:39] <nacc> sstory: it = install media, iso, usb, etc.
[19:39] <Tuxedo> https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
[19:39] <whaomi> ubuntu mate good distro
[19:39] <sstory> I don't really want to reinstall OS and everything every year.
[19:40] <sstory> whaomi: I am sure it is, but how to you go to the next version each year without starting over?
[19:40] <nacc> sstory: what do you mean every year?
[19:40] <nacc> sstory: I feel like maybe you are misunderstanding something basic
[19:40] <Tuxedo> Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS is a long term distro...
[19:40] <sstory> Ubuntu Mate shows support until April 2019
[19:41] <sstory> Until next year in April. Where as Ubuntu 16.04 goes until 2021
[19:41] <sstory> I'd just like to setup several desktops at work and not have to redo them in a year...but really like MATE
[19:42] <Tuxedo> You can upgrade to the new version inside Ubuntu MATE
[19:42] <S2JK0FB2> sstory: sorry, I haven't been following the conversation. Anyway, the metapackage you're looking for is ubuntu-mate-desktop
[19:42] <Tuxedo> https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
[19:42] <sstory> S2JK0FB2: What is a metapackage? Is that something to just add to normal 16.04 Ubuntu and still have support until 2021?
[19:43] <nacc> sstory: ah i didn't reallize that mate had opted to onnly do a limited support
[19:43] <sstory> or https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/ which says "Supported until April 2019"
[19:43] <nacc> sstory: i mea, if you are on mate 16.04, i'd just upgrade to 18.04 when 18.04.1 comes out
[19:43] <tezogmix> In light of these meltdown/spectre vulnerability news items, how can I check/make sure via CLI that some of these CVE aspects are addressed?
[19:43] <nacc> sstory: and then you'd stay supported
[19:44] <sstory> nacc: how do you upgrade?  Is that inplace or format and redo?
[19:44] <Tuxedo> When support stops.. for 16.04 you can opgrade to new distro version inside your current one (when times come) and continue with support
[19:44] <vinocamp> newbie her i have a few folders that belong to different users, trying to access them from windows machine, samba installed example user 1 has a folder abc, user 2 has folder dfg , when i try to connect to the folders i get an  error from windows saying saying multiple connection to shared resources by same user
[19:44] <nacc> sstory: in place. a reinnstall is not an upgrade.
[19:44] <nacc> !kpti > tezogmix
[19:44] <sstory> Tuxedo/nacc: How well does that work?
[19:45] <nacc> sstory: i've been upgrading my ubuntu since before 16.04 to every release without issue.
[19:45] <nacc> sstory: it depends on how much garbage you add :)
[19:45] <vinocamp> how can i setup samba to let me see all the different user/ folder
[19:45] <sstory> nacc: :) How do you upgrade? Is that just sudo apt-get upgrade or is there more to it?
[19:45] <Tuxedo> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-mate-via-the-terminal/885
[19:45] <Tuxedo> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-mate-via-the-terminal/885
[19:45] <whaomi> sstory
[19:45] <tezogmix> will "sudo apt-get update" sudo-apt-get upgrade and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade be enough? still new to ubuntu (using lts)/linux and I've been usually running those 3 commands every other day
[19:46] <tezogmix> Thanks for link nacc
[19:46] <Tuxedo> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-mate-via-the-terminal/885
[19:46] <nacc> sstory: do-release-upgrade
[19:47] <Tuxedo> Its all in the LINK
[19:47] <nacc> sstory: apt-get upgrade does not upgrade versions
[19:47] <sstory> Tuxedo: Thanks!
[19:47] <nacc> tezogmix: enough for what?
[19:47] <Tuxedo> No prop ;-)
[19:47] <delt> Hello
[19:47] <delt> install: fatal: unable to read tcpserver: file does not exist
[19:47] <delt> dpkg: error processing package spamassassin (--configure):
[19:48] <delt> what is causing this error?
[19:48] <delt> happens whenever i try to install/uninstall any package
[19:48] <sstory> If one just installs normal Ubuntu 16.04 and then adds MATE desktop to it, is that supported until 2021? Or does it not work well like the distro?
[19:48] <tezogmix> nacc, oh I meant just for regular security updates to the system and any other software installed (e.g. I have firefox esr installed from a PPA)
[19:49] <Tuxedo> Ubuntu MATE 16.04 is the most stable version...
[19:49] <whaomi> I'm using ubuntu on a virtual machine to test the fuctions
[19:50] <nacc> delt: please pastebin the full log
[19:50] <nacc> sstory: i don't know
[19:50] <delt> https://pastebin.com/a6wYFCif
[19:50] <nacc> tezogmix: PPAs don't get security updates, unless the PPA owner decides to do so, fwiw
[19:50] <delt> nacc: https://pastebin.com/a6wYFCif
[19:51] <Tuxedo> i only run stable versions... opgrades for stable versions, only gets out when all is testet an confirmed to be stable... but if you cant wait.. choose one of the other ones
[19:51] <whaomi> sstory frids?
[19:52] <nacc> delt: I don't know, remove spamassassin
[19:52] <XAlkindiX> Tuxedo: Is Ubuntu Mate have different functionality than Ubuntu?
[19:52] <tezogmix> nacc, oh I didn't know that... does the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" update for example the PPA that I installed for firefox-esr (it was from the mozilla team), question is: how do I make sure that is also updated in the event it does get updated from their end?
[19:52] <delt> nacc: did, got same error when trying to uninstall and reinstall it, or any package
[19:52] <nacc> tezogmix: I meant, that PPAs are not supported by the security team, generally
[19:52] <XAlkindiX> Tuxedo: I heard a lot of people like Mate
[19:52] <nacc> delt: i mean, that message is about spamassasin, afaict
[19:52] <Tuxedo> Firefox updates its own PPA's
[19:52] <nacc> delt: pastebin the output from the removal of spamassasin
[19:53] <Tuxedo> MATE is AWSOME!! :-)
[19:53] <nacc> tezogmix: yes, apt-get doesn't konw what a PPA is, it will upgrade all packages with newer versions available from the defined repositories.
[19:53] <XAlkindiX> Tuxedo: In what?
[19:53] <Tuxedo> i have tryet ALOT of distroes... but MATE is the best one for me
[19:54] <delt> nacc: didn't happen on removal this time. uninstall and reinstall: https://pastebin.com/h63xU23h
[19:54] <tezogmix> ok nacc , so I can just continue with those 3 lines? sudo apt-get update + sudo apt-get upgrade + sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (I'm not sure if the dist-upgrade also does the sudo apt-get upgrade , so then in that sense, just use the dist-upgrade ?
[19:55] <delt> i just need to know where the fuck it's trying to read tcpserver from and why
[19:55] <Tuxedo> Being userfrendly, good looking, customize able, stable, and also low on hardware requirements
[19:55] <whaomi>  tuxedo frides?
[19:55] <nacc> tezogmix: you only need dist-upgrade (read `man apt-get`)
[19:55] <tezogmix> I mean, not sure if the dist-upgrade covers everything officially from ubuntu + 3rd party
[19:55] <Tuxedo> frides ???
[19:55] <nacc> tezogmix: update and dist-upgrade, to be clear
[19:55] <tezogmix> ah ok nacc , thanks for clarifying -
[19:55] <nacc> Tuxedo: they are spamming, afaict
[19:56] <nacc> whaomi: please stop.
[19:56] <nacc> delt: don't install spamassasin, see if it happens after removing spamassassin, when installing any other package.
[19:56] <Tuxedo> ALL what you have installed within Ubuntu.. will be opdated, if needed
[19:57] <XAlkindiX> Tuxedo: does it provide all awsome Ubuntu features?
[19:57] <whaomi> Tuxedo Do you want to be my friend?
[19:57] <delt> nacc: just grep'd through all of /var .... https://pastebin.com/diTM8Q7e
[19:57] <Tuxedo> Yes.. it does
[19:57] <whaomi> nacc: ok
[19:57] <delt> nacc: indeed, spamassassin package is causing the error
[19:58] <Tuxedo> - but with a windows like interface
[19:58] <XAlkindiX> Nice I will try it!
[19:58] <Tuxedo> Good for you... ;-)
[19:59] <whaomi> Tuxedo: I liked the interface of windows 10
[20:01] <Tuxedo> You can also customize it , when installed, it has to start-bars one in top an one at the buttom.. but i allways remove the buttom bar, and move the top bar to the buttom instead
[20:01] <tezogmix> nacc, one more question (or to anyone), after updating everything via CLI, is it worth running "sudo apt-get clean" and/or "sudo apt autoremove" ? Right now, I'm running ubuntu-lts (alloted 20gb) in a vmware as a guest with win7 host. I also have ubuntu-mate which I am trying on a raspberry pi (32gb microsd card), so space on both are limited but mainly want these updated for the security aspects.
[20:01] <Tuxedo> its allways a good idea
[20:01] <nacc> tezogmix: i run autoremove regularly
[20:01] <S2JK0FB2> tezogmiz: it doesnt hurt
[20:01] <nacc> tezogmix: not clean
[20:02] <nacc> tezogmix: as that just makes the operations slower
[20:02] <nacc> tezogmix: again, read `man apt-get` :)
[20:02] <tezogmix> I also came across the the "-s" switch to simulate which was kind of neat
[20:02] <nacc> delt: not /var, check /etc.
[20:02] <nacc> delt: did you have SA installed at some poit?
[20:02] <sstory> whaomi: What is frids?
[20:03] <tezogmix> what's the last comment you mentioned nacc (man apt-get)?
[20:03] <whaomi> Tuxedo: yes
[20:03] <Tuxedo> Just - sudo apt update   - and if needed sudo apt autoremove... you can allso use PURGE instead of autoremove
[20:03] <delt> [pts/2][root@vhost0]:/usr/src/qmail/ucspi-tcp-0.88# grep -r tcpserver /etc/
[20:03] <delt> /etc/qmail/qmail-smtpd/run:    tcpserver -v -R -l "$LOCAL" -x /etc/qmail/tcp.smtp.cdb -c "$MAXSMTPD" \
[20:03] <nacc> tezogmix: run that at the terminal, it will display the man-page
[20:03] <nacc> whaomi: please stop.
[20:03] <nacc> sstory: please don't encourage them.
[20:04] <nacc> Tuxedo: purge and autoremove are unrelated.
[20:04] <tezogmix> oh thank you nacc , I see now.
[20:04] <sstory> nacc: ok
[20:04] <nacc> delt: the first is a src file, so not relevant
[20:04] <nacc> delt: the second is your mail setup, possibly
[20:04] <delt> nacc: yep
[20:04] <tezogmix> thanks for the added points Tuxedo
[20:04] <whaomi> sstory i said it wrong
[20:04] <nacc> delt: it's possible that the innstaller is tryign to send an email, but not sure
[20:04] <Tuxedo> yes i know... i'll just try to keep it simple, thats all
[20:05] <echelon> hi
[20:05] <delt> nacc: https://pastebin.com/zWy1g4Xf
[20:05] <echelon> where do i find the old ports repo for vivid?
[20:05] <delt> nacc: strace tells me it chdir's to '.' then goes back to that directory and tries to open tcpserver
[20:05] <nacc> delt: easiest thing is probably to just install it
[20:06] <delt> nacc: it is installed
[20:06] <nacc> delt: tcpserver is?
[20:06] <delt> yeah
[20:06] <nacc> delt: i need to step away, i'll try and reproduce it
[20:06] <echelon> i get 404 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ vivid stuff
[20:06] <nacc> echelon: vivid is eol
[20:06] <delt> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 56064 Jan  4 14:45 /usr/bin/tcpserver
[20:06] <echelon> nacc: i know
[20:06] <echelon> i still need the repo
[20:06] <nacc> echelon: that's not how eol works.
[20:07] <echelon> there aren't any archives?
[20:07] <oerheks> echelon,  dead, http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/
[20:07] <oerheks> echelon, use a newer supported ubuntu.
[20:07] <echelon> i can't
[20:07] <nacc> echelon: that seems unlikely at best
[20:08] <oerheks> whatever, we don't have the vivid ports either
[20:09] <nacc> delt: that strace is weird, it opens '.', the chdirs 4 times to /usr/local then switches back to '.'?
[20:09] <nacc> delt: none of which are goingn to finnd the binary
[20:09] <XAlkindiX> echelon: Vivid reached its end of life
[20:09] <delt> nacc: is there some log that dpkg keeps that tells wtf is going on in cases like this??
[20:09] <nacc> delt: /var/log/dpkg.log iirc
[20:10] <nacc> delt: i'd grep in the spamassassin scripts, to see if anny of them call tcpserver
[20:10] <delt> 2018-01-04 15:04:25 status unpacked spamassassin:all 3.4.1-3
[20:10] <delt> a bunch of time
[20:10] <delt> s
[20:10] <delt> then 2018-01-04 15:04:25 status half-configured spamassassin:all 3.4.1-3
[20:10] <XAlkindiX> echelon: You can google for old repos and archive files
[20:11] <delt> 2018-01-04 15:04:25 status half-configured spamc:amd64 3.4.1-3
[20:11] <nacc> delt: use pastebins, pllease
[20:11] <nacc> delt: so did you install spamassassinn onnce, then remove it?
[20:11] <delt> nacc: several times
[20:11] <nacc> delt: did you configure it at some point?
[20:11] <delt> nacc: no
[20:11] <nacc> delt: i would make sure you're not leaving old config around by removing spamassasin, purging it, then trying to install it
[20:12] <jim_wyatt> hi
[20:12] <delt> nacc: purge, reinstall, same shit
[20:13] <nicomachus> delt: language!
[20:13] <nicomachus> i'm having trouble running a script. It's marked executable and I'm even running it as root, but still getting "Permission denied" on three lines that all have to do with ADB. The adb device is detected and authorized.
[20:14] <nicomachus> output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26321281/
[20:14] <nacc> delt: are you actually using qmail as MTA?
[20:14] <delt> nacc: yes
[20:16] <nicomachus> and the script itself: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26321289/
[20:16] <Tuxedo> what are you trying to do with that script ??
[20:16] <nacc> delt: i think it's something particullar to qmail, as that's the oly reference to tcpserver i can find in SA's code
[20:16] <nicomachus> lines that are throwing errors are $ADB variables, which is defined as "adb shell"
[20:17] <nicomachus> Tuxedo: it's a theme engine for Android
[20:17] <XAlkindiX> nicomachus: try chmod +x ./adb
[20:17] <delt> nacc: yeah, tcpserver is pretty much written for qmail
[20:17] <nacc> delt: yeah, i have little/no experience. Let me, like I said, try to get it setup in a test env
[20:17] <nacc> delt: will be after lunch
[20:17] <delt> nacc: where did you find a reference to tcpserver in spamassassin?
[20:18] <nicomachus> XAlkindiX: why?
[20:18] <nacc> nicomachus: i'm not sure why you use adb some places and $ROOT/$ADB others?
[20:18] <nacc> nicomachus: but your $ROOT/$ADB ones are basically ./adb shell
[20:18] <nicomachus> XAlkindiX: adb is not a file or directory, it's a shell... can you change perms on a shell?
[20:18] <nicomachus> nacc: I didn't write the script.
[20:18] <nacc> nicomachus: so you're running an executable
[20:18] <nicomachus> si senor
[20:19] <nacc> nicomachus: well, not ./ but (dirname of current script)/adb
[20:19] <nacc> nicomachus: is there a binary named adb in the same directory as the script in questionn?
[20:19] <nicomachus> nacc: oh
[20:20] <S2JK0FB2> nicomachus: try restarting the adb daemon
[20:20] <nicomachus> S2JK0FB2: the script does that.
[20:20] <nacc> nicomachus: if there isn't, then that script makes no sense
[20:20] <XAlkindiX> nicomachus: Because adb is a binary file and it is not marked as excutable
[20:20] <delt> [pts/3][root@vhost0]:/tmp/spamassassin# grep -r tcpserver .
[20:20] <delt> ./usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/Message/Metadata/Received.pm:       # by tcpserver or a similar daemon that passes rDNS information to qmail-smtpd.
[20:20] <nacc> delt: yeah that's what i saw as well
[20:20] <delt> only reference in the whole deb package of spamassassin
[20:20] <nacc> delt: so my limited guess is that at install time, maybe SA tries to send a test mail or somethign, and it's failing
[20:21] <nicomachus> XAlkindiX: so it is. that did it.
[20:21] <delt> nacc: sending an e-mail doesn't involve calling tcpserver directly in any way
[20:21] <delt> or reading the binary
[20:21] <nacc> delt: ok
[20:21] <nicomachus> still getting other errors, but unrelated.
[20:22] <delt> anyway i'm kind of sick, and not feeling very well right now... i'll take care of this later
[20:22] <allizom> nicomachus: keep in mind that you may be using 2 copies of adb, the one in the current directory and the system-installed one
[20:22] <nicomachus> allizom: that's what I failed to realize.
[20:22] <nacc> nicomachus: --^ what i was implyig above,
[20:24] <nicomachus> Tuxedo: what kind of message did you send me....?
[20:38] <Jakethepython> i have a software raid running and need to fix my linux install on a single drive not on the RIAD is there  a way to reload the RAID w/ out killing everything on it??
[20:56] <GuestRoom889> hi, i'm using ubuntu server and I need find out place where mysql 5.7 is installed and find password for it
[21:00] <GuestRoom889> hello is here anyone who can help with some commanlines??
[21:01] <akik> !ask | GuestRoom889
[21:02] <oerheks> the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/mysql.html
[21:02] <GuestRoom889> i'm using ubuntu server and I need find out place where mysql 5.7 is installed and find password for it, any help please?
[21:05] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, find password for it ?
[21:05] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, im not so sure you will find any pass in cleartext
[21:06] <nicomachus> and mysql doesn't have it's own password AFAIK
[21:06] <GuestRoom889> @Mathisen yes, some forums says it is in log files but i cant find install dir..
[21:07] <Ben64> you don't need install dir, just do something like this --- https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/resetting-permissions.html
[21:07] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, start again with explaining the exact issue you have and why you need to find a password
[21:07] <TJ-> GuestRoom889: mysql's root password is stored in the system table
[21:08] <TJ-> GuestRoom889: this may help you https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5683154/how-do-i-find-out-my-root-mysql-password
[21:09] <GuestRoom889> @TJ- after this mysql -u root, ie get ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[21:10] <TJ-> GuestRoom889: have you tried prefixing the command with "sudo "
[21:10] <Mathisen> should be a " -p " also after root
[21:11] <TJ-> GuestRoom889: also, did you try the "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.7" method ?
[21:11] <GuestRoom889> @Mathisen It just dont work and I have to access it to create database and it is not emty also
[21:12] <GuestRoom889> @TJ- sudo gives this error ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[21:12] <TJ-> GuestRoom889: use dpkg-reconfigure, that is the recommended way on Debian/Ubuntu
[21:12] <GuestRoom889> ok let me try
[21:13] <TJ-> GuestRoom889: that should allow you to reset the password to a known value
[21:13] <Mathisen> can also start it in safe mode " mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables & "
[21:13] <Mathisen> but yeah maybe better to do it like TJ- said
[21:15] <GuestRoom889> @TJ- that shold also reset password to emty?
[21:15] <TJ-> GuestRoom889: no, I think it asks for a password, but it's a long while since I needed it
[21:16] <dviola> hi
[21:17] <dviola> have the meltdown patches been merged in the ubuntu kernel already?
[21:17] <GuestRoom889> @TJ- it didnt, ok can i delete mysql and reinstall it will it remove old password?
[21:17] <dviola> the KPTI patches in 4.14.11
[21:17] <nacc> !kpti > dviola
[21:17] <michael2> hi all, im on ubuntu 16.04 and just lifted the lid on my laptop to try and resume my from suspend, and the lightdm login screen is just stuck, does anyone have any advice? can I reboot the X system?
[21:17] <dax> dviola: no, the security/kernel folks are working on it, and trying to expedite it since the public disclosure date shifted from the 9th to yesterday
[21:18] <dax> dviola: USN (linked in that PM ubottu sent you) will have notices when they're released
[21:18] <dviola> I see, thanks
[21:20] <GuestRoom889> @Mathisen that part after using mysql -u root gives me error...
[21:20] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, just stop the service " sudo systemctl stop mysql.service " then run >> " mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables & " and you should be able to " mysql -u root "
[21:21] <GuestRoom889> Mathisen, i think i did it like 10 times but let me try your lines...
[21:21] <Li> apt is great solution for newbies and a great fix for the infinte dependencies problem,,, BUT,,, not good for places with limited internet connection. my question is (if possible) how to download entire ubuntu repository on external hdd?
[21:21] <Li> how big would that be?
[21:21] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, keep in mind you just want to edit pass in safe mode
[21:23] <michael2> does anyone know the command to restart graphical system on ubuntu? is it like sudo service lightdm restart?
[21:23] <GuestRoom889> Mathisen, is there a way to remove it from server and start fresh
[21:23] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, yes
[21:23] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, sudo apt-get purge WHATEVER_YOU_WANT_GONE
[21:24] <GuestRoom889> Mathisen lets do it then, can you guide me please
[21:24] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, do you got any databases you want saved ?
[21:24] <Mathisen> if so dont purge
[21:25] <GuestRoom889> Mathisen no im ready to start fresh not much in there..
[21:25] <TJ-> michael2: that sounds like "light-locker" is stuck, if you can Alt+Ctrl+F2 login and do "pkill light-locker" that might sort it
[21:25] <GuestRoom889> Mathisen moistly i was just curious why it didnt work..
[21:25] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, ok. run >>>  sudo apt-get purge mysql && sudp apt update && sudo apt install mysql
[21:25] <Mathisen> the full line
[21:26] <nicomachus> s/sudp/sudo/
[21:26] <Mathisen> yeah ops my bad sudo ofc :)
[21:26] <Mathisen> thanks nicomachus
[21:26] <michael2> TJ-: thanks, yes Im in getty terminal (Ctrl-Alt-f2), thats how im chatting now, ill try pkill light-locker
[21:27] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, so correct the spelling error sudp to sudo
[21:27] <TJ-> michael2: then of course test it with Alt+F7 to return to the GUI tty
[21:29] <michael2> TJ-: I cant see any process 'light-locker' in the process tree, should I see light-locker as a running program/daemon?
[21:29] <GuestRoom889> Mathisen ok now it says unable to locate package mysql
[21:29] <Mathisen> GuestRoom889, when you trying to remove it or installing ?
[21:30] <GuestRoom889> Mathisen remove
[21:31] <redphantom> does anyone mine crypto on ubuntu? which software should i use?
[21:31] <Mathisen> change mysql to mysql-server
[21:31] <GuestRoom889> Mathisen oh maybe that, yes.. :P
[21:31] <TJ-> michael2: yes, so maybe that isn't the issue you're suffering
[21:32] <Mathisen> how to search packages in here ? !v or ?
[21:32] <GuestRoom889> Mathisen yes, nice! thank you a lot at lest for these lines.
[21:32] <TJ-> michael2: maybe your system is using a different screen-locker, try "pgrep lock" - see if you can identify one
[21:33] <myself> Hi all. New year's resolution was to go Linux on the desktop, so I'm a Windows refugee. Apologies in advance for missing anything obvious! Freshly installed 16.04 on a Thinkpad T560, everything is awesome except the touchpad. Palm-touch like *crazy*. In Windows I had pretty aggressively adjusted the Synaptics settings to solve the problem. So I've been playing with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Synaptic
[21:33] <myself> sTouchpad but 'synclient -m 100' returns an error, invalid option 'm'.
[21:33] <myself> I've been trying to adjust the PalmDetect and PalmMinWidth parameters but they've had no effect on the behavior, I almost feel like synclient isn't doing anything.
[21:34] <IhrFussel> When I use scp without sudo and accept the host as known host and later do "sudo scp" it asks me again if I want to add it to known hosts ... is that intended?
[21:34] <TJ-> myself: It is sometimes the case that the synaptic driver isn't being used because the device is incorrectly detected as some different device
[21:35] <myself> TJ-: I've looked at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2316240 and I don't appear to have two devices, and I can use xinput --test and see the touches so I know I'm looking at the right device number
[21:35] <TJ-> IhrFussel: yes; using 'sudo' you're acting as the 'root' (UID 0) user, not your regular user, so using /root/.ssh/known_hosts not /home/$USER/.ssh/known_hosts
[21:36] <michael2> TJ-: i cant see any process with "*lock*" in the name here is a snapshot of lightdm tree (sorry for pasting so much output) i dont have a X window system to make a paste bin:
[21:36] <rex> Hello, I wan't to report a bug in the pgadmin3 package on ubuntu 16.04
[21:37] <rex> It always throws a assertion exception, and kills the application.
[21:37] <TJ-> myself: I'm not sure about your particular situation but we do see this from time to time, where the device isn't identified as a Synaptic device by the synaptics driver, or identifies as the wrong version. That would explain why synclient produces errors
[21:37] <TJ-> !bug | rex
[21:37] <myself> TJ-: it seems like the version of synclient I have simply isn't the same as referred to in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[21:39] <rex> TJ-: thanks for the tip!
[21:40] <arooni> is the power statistics app on ubuntu updated every second or every minute or every ...
[21:40] <arooni> ?
[21:41] <sfdebug> hi
[21:41] <sfdebug> how can i reduce a LVM partition?
[21:41] <sfdebug> i'm trying it all the day but no success...
[21:42] <TJ-> myself: there's a shed-load of bugs with the synaptics drivers but you may find something in the list to help you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[21:42] <myself> ooh, thank you
[21:43] <michael2> TJ-:  actually I found a process: [/usr/lib/x86.....unity-panel-service  --lockscreen-mode] do you think that is what is causing my frozoen lightdm login screen?
[21:44] <TJ-> michael2: if you use "top" is any one process using a lot of CPU time for no obvious reason?
[21:44] <TJ-> michael2: press Q to quit from top
[21:45] <Mathisen> sfdebug, using " system-config-lvm " would be the easy way as it has gui
[21:45] <sfdebug> Mathisen, thats a ubuntu server...
[21:45] <sfdebug> has no GUI...
[21:45] <TJ-> sfdebug: a partition, or an LV ?
[21:46] <sfdebug> TJ-, LV
[21:46] <michael2> TJ-: no chrome is using the most CPU % generally at around 4%
[21:46] <Mathisen> sfdebug, oki " man lvresize  " and  " man pvresize  " then :)
[21:46] <TJ-> sfdebug: using "lvreduce --size XXXX VG/LV" **assuming** you've already reduced the file-system inside the LV to less-than-or-equal-to XXXX
[21:47] <sfdebug> TJ-, what means "you've already reduced the file-system inside the LV"?
[21:47] <TJ-> michael2: then I'm not sure, the issue I know of with light-locker has it spinning the CPU around 70% and becomes unresponsive.
[21:48] <myself> AHA! Got it. AreaLeftEdge in this post: https://askubuntu.com/questions/205512/touchpad-palm-sensitivity did the trick for me. Gonna go sign in so I can upvote that.
[21:48] <TJ-> sfdebug: assuming you've a file-system (say ext4) inside the LV, if you're going to shrink the LV you first need to shrink the file-system inside it, else you'll destroy the file-system and probably lose data
[21:49] <michael2> TJ-: ok thanks, I guess ill try: sudo service lightdm restart ? do you know if that is how you restart the entire graphical system? i think it maybe used to be: sudo service gnome-session restart?
[21:50] <TJ-> michael2: on 16.04? "sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service"
[21:51] <IhrFussel> TJ-, Alright thanks ... just making sure cause that intel bug scares me quite a bit
[21:51] <michael2> TJ-: cool, thanks ill try that
[21:53] <sfdebug> Mathisen, no success...
[21:53] <sfdebug> i do the two commands but no reduce...
[21:55] <TJ-> sfdebug: what commands are you executing to reduce the size?
[21:55] <Mathisen> sfdebug, so you dont get a man page ?
[21:56] <sfdebug> lvresize --size 290 /dev/Cassandra-vg/root
[21:56] <sfdebug> after
[21:56] <sfdebug> pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 290 /dev/sda5
[21:56] <sfdebug> that was the command i executed...
[21:57] <TJ-> sfdebug: so you're trying to resise it to 290MB ?
[21:57] <sfdebug> TJ-, yes...
[21:57] <TJ-> sfdebug: is the LV mounted when you do this?
[21:57] <banisterfiend> what is the difference between xargs -J and xargs -I ? i read teh man page but i don't grok it
[21:58] <sfdebug> TJ-, i'm in a livecd, i think no, how do i see that?
[21:58] <TJ-> sfdebug: "lsblk -f"
[21:58] <TJ-> sfdebug: or more simply "mount | grep root"
[21:58] <sfdebug> TJ-, yes, that monted...
[21:59] <TJ-> sfdebug: how are you checking the size once you're issued the command?
[22:00] <sfdebug> via GParted...
[22:01] <TJ-> sfdebug: I'd use "sudo lvdisplay Cassandra-vg/root" and look at the "LV Size"
[22:02] <sfdebug> TJ-, that shows 290gb...
[22:02] <TJ-> sfdebug: right, so you've done it then
[22:03] <sfdebug> TJ-, hum...
[22:03] <TJ-> sfdebug: but you've *NOT* shrunk /dev/sda5, the parition containing the Physical Volume used by Cassandra-vg, which is what gparted is showing you
[22:03] <sfdebug> TJ-, let me see...
[22:04] <TJ-> sfdebug: you've got rings of block devices: sda > sda5 > LVM PV > LVM VG > LVM LV > file-system. You've not changed the size of sda4
[22:04] <TJ-> sfdebug: ooops!, sda5 not sda4 :D
[22:04] <sfdebug> TJ-, how do i do that?
[22:06] <TJ-> sfdebug: presumably using gparted as that is what you're using
[22:13] <Loshki> banisterfiend: I don't have -J in my xargs, only -I
[22:17] <TJ-> xargs -J is in the BSD version but not the GNU version, which is what Ubuntu has via the findutils package
[22:33] <ubuntu-mate> hello anyone there i new to Linux any tips ?
[22:36] <Bashing-om> !manual | ubuntu-mate Have you seen?
[22:38] <bjornmose> join
[22:43] <monk12> hey all, i have a dual boot windows + ubuntu drive setup like so: https://gist.github.com/armyofda12mnkeys/dd227d7d0beca6348358f35553b275f3 ... my ubuntu is at 14.04 and i'd rather just upgrade via LiveUSB vs do-release-upgrade which doesn't have a nice path to upgrade to 16.xx ...
[22:44] <monk12> When Im on the LiveUSB install page where i choose "Something Else" what do i choose for the "Device for boot loader installation"... my /boot or / ?
[22:46] <monk12> Some stackoverflows seems to suggest pick my large main root / drive... and then upgrade grub which is on /boot later?  ... then make sure Windows bootloader (which should be the main bootloader) has an option to point to the grub /boot bootloader (i think ill try to set this up via EasyUEFI as recommended earlier today by atrus).
[22:47] <monk12> just seems weird to me as the bootloader is on /boot so seems like based on the wording that I'd want to choose that... but once u click "Install Now" on that page, i guessing it ask a followup question like "Where would u like to install the real ubuntu 16.04 files (vs just the grub/bootloader)?"
[22:48] <monk12> kinda wish i put grub on the same partition as / and not picked a separate /boot which seemed cool to setup at the time hehe.
[22:49] <EriC^^> monk12: selecting the drive is correct, you want /dev/sda for instance
[22:50] <abed> uhh.. outta nowhere, when i hold onto a key (like backspace) it's too slow
[22:50] <abed> lags
[22:50] <sfdebug> TJ-, i think i got it... thanks dude :-)
[22:50] <monk12> hey EriC^^:   /dev/sda is the whole drive and includes windows. Wont it wipe out windows or its bootloader if i choose that? (i heard u want windows bootloader to 'win' vs grub in a dual boot setup... im testing theory that hibernation feature only works if windows is the main bootloader)
[22:52] <EriC^^> monk12: it won't remove the windows bootloader, the bootloader is actually in the fat32 partition (efi) all it does is add the ubuntu files there and change the uefi list to have ubuntu the first priority
[22:53] <EriC^^> the hibernation thing sounds odd
[22:54] <monk12> yes i see efi partition in /dev/sda2
[22:54] <EriC^^> any reference link on the hibernation?
[22:58] <monk12> EriC^^: Hmmmm i found contrary info in 1st answer: https://superuser.com/questions/419186/how-should-i-set-up-my-dual-boot-so-that-i-can-hibernate-the-secondary-os
[23:04] <EriC^^> monk12: really it's up to you, it seems like setting the windows bootloader would boot into windows if you hibernated and then turned it on
[23:04] <EriC^^> if you use grub, you could choose to boot into ubuntu, but you need to not mount it read-write or you could corrupt stuff, it does warn you if you try to mount it and won't let you mount it without special arguments
[23:04] <EriC^^> (mount the windows partition i mean)
[23:06] <TJ-> monk12: I'm confused, why do you think/say "14.04... do-release-upgrade... doesn't have a nice path to upgrade to 16.xx..."? there's a direct 1-step upgrade from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS
[23:07] <Devrim> !kpti
[23:09] <monk12> TJ: so it went to 15.xx the 1st time i did that (at first i couldnt do anything with 'apt-get upgrate' and 'do-release-upgrade' until i upgrade ubuntu-archive?.ubuntu.comc/old-releases.ubuntu.com in the /etc/apt/sources.list) then i think i had to use the -c or -d param for do-release-upgrade to goto 15.xx... but i restarted and tried do-release-upgrade again... and said cannot do.
[23:10] <monk12> i forget what was the msg. i dont have it up now (on the ubuntu LiveUSB install step now and not in the actual OS)
[23:11] <bray90820> How would I create an SSH user that only has read and execute permissions to every file
[23:12] <TJ-> monk12: sounds like "/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" was set to "Prompt=normal" rather than "Prompt=lts" as it should be (normal allows d-r-u to non-LTS releases
[23:13] <monk12> that is true ... it was normal... i changed to lts.... and only then did it upgrade to 15.xx
[23:13] <monk12> but with lts... running do-release-upgrade did not ask to upgrade to 16.xx
[23:14] <bmomjian1> I am using Ubuntu16.04 and my wifi just stopped working after reboot on my Lenovo T430 laptop.  I got a few OS updates today.  Is this a known problem?
[23:14] <nacc> monk12: 15.xx was not an lts, so an lts specification would *not* have suggested upgrading to it.
[23:14] <monk12> TJ: theoretically after i restarted after the 15.xx update and had Prompt=lts in that file... would do-release-upgrade need to be run with any special params also like -c or -d
[23:15] <Jordan_U> monk12: In the future, be sure to follow the official upgrade instructions when upgrading.
[23:15] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | monk12
[23:15] <bmomjian1> My wifi sees no networks even though they are seen by other devices.
[23:15] <TJ-> monk12: now *that* is usually because the latest meta-release file hasn't been fetched from the changelog server. Usually we only see that issue prior to the xx.04.1 release point
[23:15] <jim_wyatt> bmomjian1: I get that too on my desktop that's using a non-standard chipset...try uninstall and reinstalling the kernel module to trigger the dkms build into your kernel
[23:15] <jim_wyatt> I'm sure there is a better way but that's been the quickest for me
[23:16] <Carlitos> Greetings everyone. I have a question about mounting a secondary hdd /dev/sda1 to a mount point in my home directory.
[23:17] <bmomjian1> oh, the kernel module.  I did see a grub update in there and was surprised I didn't get a new kernel.
[23:17] <claudia_> who
[23:18] <jim_wyatt> ya, something is broke that is doesn't build a new module when you get a new kernel
[23:18] <jim_wyatt> oh, but you didn't get a new kernel? are you sure?
[23:19] <bmomjian1> No, at least it didn't tell me to reboot, which I found odd.
[23:19] <bmomjian1> how do I force a rebuild?  I see a lot of linux-image packaged installed.
[23:20] <TJ-> bmomjian1: check "journalctl -xb" or review "dmesg" or /var/log/kern.log for problems related to the wifi device
[23:20] <bmomjian1> I can confirm I didn't get a new kernel today, at least.
[23:20] <bmomjian1> OK, looking
[23:20] <Bashing-om> Carlitos: Ask the question, be aware a secondary hard drive is not generally assigned as 'sda' . - sda generally the 1st hard drive (a) .
[23:21] <bmomjian1> I don't see anything.  What am I looking for?
[23:21] <TJ-> bmomjian1: share with us: "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[23:21] <bmomjian1> sure
[23:22] <bmomjian1> Does this help? https://momjian.us/tmp/dmesg.txt
[23:22] <Carlitos> Thank you I am aware. My primary HDD is an nvme device. /dev/sda is a 1tb disk, The drive is formated ext4, my fstab entry is this UUID=DEVICE-UUID /home/user/mountpoint ext4 defaults 0 2. It mounts without issue however the space is limited to remaining space in my /home partition, which is on my primary hdd the nvme device.
[23:23] <bmomjian1> I am on wired ethernet now.  :-)
[23:23] <bmomjian1> What I can do is to do an OS update on another identical laptop and reboot and see if it fails.
[23:23] <TJ-> bmomjian1: "iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: RF_KILL bit toggled to disable radio."
[23:23] <bmomjian1> That might help diagnose it.
[23:23] <bmomjian1> Oh, I have a wifi button on my laptop and made sure it was on so I turned it off and on
[23:23] <Jordan_U> Carlitos: Please pastebin the contents of /proc/self/mounts after mounting the volume. Please also pastebin the output of "df -h" after mounting the volume.
[23:23] <TJ-> bmomjian1: looks like the hardware RF KILL button/function is active
[23:24] <TJ-> bmomjian1: check with "rfkill list"
[23:24] <bmomjian1> I did look at the button
[23:24] <bmomjian1> ok, hold
[23:24] <Rosti> hola
[23:24] <Rosti> ???
[23:24] <Rosti> de que se trata este char
[23:24] <Rosti> chat
[23:24] <bmomjian1> OK, done: https://momjian.us/tmp/rfkill.txt
[23:25] <TJ-> bmomjian1: hardwawre disable: Hard blocked: yes
[23:25] <bmomjian1> That hard blocked looks bad
[23:25] <bmomjian1> yeah
[23:25] <bmomjian1> so I messed it up somehow
[23:25] <Rosti> wtf
[23:26] <TJ-> bmomjian1: check the physical button, I've had 2 laptops where the button eventually doesn't slide over enough to enable it unless I'm very forceful with it (helps it has an inbuilt LED)
[23:26] <bmomjian1> oh
[23:26] <TJ-> bmomjian1: if that looks OK, check in the firmware setup options at boot-time before the OS starts in case there is something there disabling radios - since both wifi and BT are disabled
[23:27] <TJ-> bmomjian1: do you dual-boot with Windows?
[23:27] <bmomjian1> so on the T430S, there is a button on the right front corner on the side that has the laptop with parens around it
[23:27] <bmomjian1> I assume that is it
[23:27] <bmomjian1> yes it does dual boot
[23:27] <TJ-> bmomjian1: did you recently quit from Windows and reboot into Linux?
[23:28] <bmomjian1> no, I have never been in Windows on this laptop
[23:28] <bmomjian1> hold maybe that switch isn't it
[23:28] <bmomjian1> hold
[23:28] <TJ-> bmomjian1: sometimes, if Windows 'fast boot' options is in use, it doesn't fully reset devices which prevents the Linux drivers from initialising the device
[23:29] <bmomjian1> looks like Function F5 has an antenna icon too but that doesn't change the status either
[23:29] <TJ-> bmomjian1: yes, that's it, I've just found that on the Lenovo web-site: https://support.lenovo.com/gb/en/solutions/HT500407
[23:31] <TJ-> bmomjian1: so, looks like the issue could be due to an ACPI platform driver issue. There's a workaround that generally fixes the issue, here's an article I wrote on it and how to apply the fix:  http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[23:31] <bmomjian1> Ah, it looks different somewhat.  That is the image on the side switch, and the F5 is more if an antenna with parens
[23:31] <bmomjian1> but that looks like it, yes
[23:32] <bmomjian1> I am thinking I should either update another laptop or try booting into Windows as my next step, no?
[23:33] <TJ-> bmomjian1: you should also check firmware/BIOS settings, which is mentioned at the end of that Lenovo article
[23:33] <bmomjian1> oh, good idea
[23:34] <bmomjian1> let me update another laptop and see what happens;  I have many of them
[23:34] <TJ-> bmomjian1: if that doesn't solve it I'd apply the ACPI workaroud, and try a reboot, it's simple to do and quick to test
[23:40] <ImageJPEG> So I have a bind server on a Ubuntu 16.04 container. I can't do any name lookup via IPv6. tcpdump shows this:
[23:40] <ImageJPEG> b2:7e:e9:87:f7:d2 > 72:4e:da:28:27:61, ethertype IPv6 (0x86dd), length 91: 2001:470:c3c4:10:10::200.62727 > 2001:470:c3c4:200:62:696e:6420:6d65.53: 36396+ A? youtube.com. (29)
[23:40] <ImageJPEG> 72:4e:da:28:27:61 > b2:7e:e9:87:f7:d2, ethertype IPv6 (0x86dd), length 139: 2001:470:c3c4:200:62:696e:6420:6d65 > 2001:470:c3c4:10:10::200: ICMP6, destination unreachable, unreachable port, 2001:470:c3c4:200:62:696e:6420:6d65 udp port 53, length 85
[23:40] <ImageJPEG> This happens even with ufw disabled
[23:40] <ImageJPEG> This is my ufw rule
[23:40] <ImageJPEG> 2001:470:c3c4:200:62:696e:6420:6d65 53/udp ALLOW       2001:470:c3c4:10::/64
[23:41] <bmomjian1> OK, second identical laptop updated, and wifi is fine, so there is something wrong with either the Ubuntu configuration, hardware settings or hardware on this laptop.
[23:42] <bmomjian1> I will try booting into Windows to see what happens.  That should tell me about the hardware, and check the BIOS at the same time.  Then I can try the kernel setting.  bbiab
[23:42] <ImageJPEG> Interesting. I can't do nslookup on the Ubuntu bind server on itself.
[23:42] <ImageJPEG> Maybe my bind config is incorrect
[23:43] <ImageJPEG> listen-on-v6 { 2001:470:c3c4:200:62:696e:6420:6d65; };
[23:47] <ImageJPEG> netstat -peanut doesn't show bind listening on it's v6 address :/
[23:50] <DexterF> hi
[23:50] <DexterF> Is the 4.4 kernel in 16.04 LTS vulnerable to Meltdown/Spectre or patches in the making?
[23:51] <ImageJPEG> Everything is vulnerable to Meltdown using any Intel x86 chip from the mid 90's...execpt a few odd ball chips. Pretty much everything is vulnerable to Spectre that's x86
[23:51] <ImageJPEG> Windows, Mac, Linux, *BSD, you name it
[23:52] <lordcirth> ^ Beat me too it.  The kernel isn't "vulnerable" so much as "hasn't implemented a workaround yet"
[23:52] <oerheks> patches are tested as we speak, just relax and wait .. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2018/01/04/ubuntu-updates-for-the-meltdown-spectre-vulnerabilities/
[23:52] <lordcirth> This is where to watch for updates, I think: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown
[23:53] <oerheks> debian seems to have a fix