[03:51] <blendedbychris> I don't want to hijack this channel but I'm trying to do something super simple it seems. I've copied another project from launchpad to my own launchpad repo, I'd like to download the source and make some changes  to resubmit to my own repo
[03:52] <blendedbychris> i installed bzr but I'm not sure what to plugin to "branch"
[03:59] <spiv> blendedbychris: "bzr branch ORIGINAL_AS_URL_OR_PATH new-thing"
[04:01] <spiv> (There are plenty of alternatives to that which tweak things in various ways in case you want to re-use the same working dir all the time, etc etc, but that's the quick answer)
[04:04] <blendedbychris> spiv: I found that you can do bzr branch lp:foo.
[04:04] <blendedbychris> :)
[04:05] <blendedbychris> how do i figure out the branch name, or i guess maybe create a new branch/
[04:05] <blendedbychris> this is my ppa btw… nginx is what i am trying to branch. https://launchpad.net/~blendedbyus/+archive/master
[04:25] <spiv> Figure out which branch name?  The one you want to branch from, or the one you are trying to create?
[04:26] <spiv> If you want to push a branch to Launchpad, that's just "bzr push lp:...", e.g. I might do "bzr push lp:~spiv/bzr/new-thing"
[04:27] <blendedbychris> spiv: branch from i pressume
[04:28] <blendedbychris> something like bzr branch lp:~blendedbyus/nginx/trunk …
[04:28] <blendedbychris> but it doesn't list a "branch"
[04:28] <blendedbychris> (maybe because I haven't created one?)
[04:30] <spiv> blendedbychris: PPAs don't necessarily have their source available via bzr
[04:31] <spiv> (Unless Launchpad has grown new features since I last looked at this...)
[04:31] <spiv> In this case, AFAICS there's no source package recipes involved with that PPA, so no directly connected bzr branches.
[04:32] <spiv> It's possible there are relevant bzr branches, but if so Launchpad doesn't know about that link in this case.
[04:32] <spiv> So you'll need to ask the owner(s) of that PPA where/how they recommend working with their source.
[04:32] <blendedbychris> https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/stable << so that has no branch?
[04:33] <spiv> (You can get "source" deb packages from PPAs, but that's a slightly different thing)
[04:33] <blendedbychris> what's a ppa look like when it does have source available?
[04:34] <blendedbychris> Let me do a better job at explaining what I am trying to do. I'm trying to take the latest stable version of nginx (whether it's from their website or launchpad, though I figured launchpad would be useful somehow) and compile it with an additional module.
[04:35] <spiv> I don't know that Launchpad makes that obvious.  It should; file a bug.
[04:35] <spiv> e.g. if you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~nginx/+recipe/nginx-nightly, it says "Daily build archive: Nightly Snapshot" (which is https://code.launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/nightly)
[04:36] <spiv> And the recipe (in small text at the bottom of that page) tells you that lp:nginx and lp:nginx/debian are used to build those packages
[04:36] <spiv> But I don't see any recipes for the PPA you mention at https://code.launchpad.net/~nginx/+recipes
[04:37] <spiv> blendedbychris: in that case, I suggest just taking their source package from the PPA (i.e. using the deb-src lines and "apt-get source ...", etc), and working with that
[04:37] <spiv> i.e. the standard debian toolchain
[04:37] <spiv> As there's no obvious bzr involvement in that PPA
[04:38] <blendedbychris> doesn't look like this is even up to date https://code.launchpad.net/~nginx/+recipe/nginx-nightly
[04:39] <blendedbychris> woud you suggest trying to make a branch with bzr in my ppa or just submit the deb files?
[04:39] <blendedbychris> (does that even make sense?)
[04:40] <spiv> As I say, there's no obvious use of bzr for making the package (and PPA) you're interested in
[04:40] <spiv> So it seems simplest and most direct to just use the standard debian tools
[04:41] <spiv> i.e. work with the deb source packages, rather than look for bzr branches that probably don't exist.
[04:41] <blendedbychris> fair enouhg
[04:41] <blendedbychris> enough*
[04:46] <blendedbychris> where's ubuntu dump stuff downloaded from apt-get source anyhow?
[04:46] <blendedbychris> the googler is letting me down :(
[04:47] <blendedbychris> oh into the current dir :_
[04:47] <blendedbychris> cool :)
[04:53] <blendedbychris> spiv: a module like this to compile it with nginx should I include it in nginx-1.2.3/src/ or when you run the command ./configure --add-module… do you think it copies necessary files… http://arut.github.com/nginx-rtmp-module/
[04:55] <spiv> blendedbychris: I don't know anything about nginx's build system, sorry
[04:55] <spiv> (Let alone how it may have been patched and configured by Ubuntu)
[04:56] <spiv> You're probably better off asking a #ubuntu-* channel for help, maybe #ubuntu-packaging?
[04:56] <blendedbychris> okay.
[06:16] <mertsas> is it possible to do an interactive rebase with bazaar-rewrite? Want to fix a commit, which has not been pushed up to our main repository
[08:03] <mgz> morning
[08:03] <jelmer> hey
[08:06] <jam> mertsas: if it is a recent commit, the easiest thing is to just "bzr uncommit" fix it then "bzr commit". I don't think rewrite supports --interactive yet, though I also know there is: https://launchpad.net/bzr-interactive
[08:07] <jam> I'm not sure on the workflow for bzr-rewrite of an old revision.
[08:07] <jam> I would gues you could pop back to the one you want to fix, fix it, then 'bzr replay' the rest of the revisions.
[08:12] <mertsas> didn't find an easy way to do it, so did a branch, uncommited all changes to the one I wanted to change, reverted, uncommited, fixed, commited and did a replay from the original before I pulled from the new branch. Tedious, but worked
[08:12] <mertsas> a --interactive would be nice:P
[09:50] <lduros> hello, I have an "upstream" branch and I have a new tar.bz2 of the upstream. I forgot how to add it to upstream again
[09:50] <lduros> I know there is a command
[09:51] <lduros> can't find it in my .bash_history... guess I should have taken notes :-\
[09:52] <lduros> bzr import I guess?
[09:54] <lduros> ah, I knew I asked about that before: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/11/%23bzr.txt
[09:54] <lduros> haha
[09:56] <mgz> hm, I'd poke jelmer but he's dropped of irc...
[09:57] <mgz> lduros: I think you want merge-upstream, but from the log it may be a little more complex
[09:58] <mgz> or import-upstream, depending on how you're working.
[09:59] <lduros> mgz: hmm
[09:59] <mgz> you have one branch tracking the upstream tarballs, and then merge that into another branch with all your debian packaging?
[10:00] <lduros> well this is for IceCat, it's a slightly different flavor of Firefox
[10:00] <lduros> so there are minor changes in a few files
[10:00] <lduros> and some new files
[10:32] <mgz> jelmer: any suggestions for lduros? <http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/21/%23bzr.html#t09:50>
[10:33] <jelmer> there is a '
[10:33] <jelmer> bzr import-upstream' command that is part of bzr-builddeb IIRC
[17:17] <elmo> err, did someone make bzr ci with no changes error out in Quantal?
[17:18] <mgz> elmo: you've always needed --unchanged, or do you mean something more specific like return code?
[17:21] <elmo> mgz: the return code
[17:21] <elmo> mgz: I use etckeeper and a dist-upgrade just exploded
[17:21] <elmo> mgz: because of it
[17:21] <elmo> mgz: also, I mean precise not quantal.  so, umm, it seems unlikely bzr changed; let me investigate further, sorry
[19:51] <dpb___> Hi all -- is there a way to remove old binary blobs from a branch?  we have a dependencies branch that could use some cleanup
[22:13] <bob2> bzr-rewrite
[22:13] <bob2> note, makes a whole new history


[01:11] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: should I send out the email to summary writers?
[08:42] <smartboyhw_> JoseeAntonioR: Er are we supposed to fill in links ourselves to the Google Doc? There's only one news link there… Normally there would have been many.
[08:44] <smartboyhw_> We don't even have the 13.04 release announcement, IIRC
[14:25] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, I've added a bunch of links to the document and I'll add more in a couple of hours.  Take a look
[14:26] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, I'll also help write the summaries, that should be enough to get people started.  I need to get links for In the Press and In the Blogosphere
[14:26] <akgraner> smartboyhw, there are links on there now, feel free to hop in an write summaries if that is something you normally do
[14:27] <smartboyhw> akgraner, hurray. Probably not this week then, I am writing a science project report and I needed to revise Chemistry tomorrow:(
[14:27] <akgraner> smartboyhw, no worries and yes we can all add links of interest during the week
[14:28] <akgraner> I think pleia2 has been do this herself lately (shame on me) I'll take a look daily again once we get this one out the door.
[14:28] <smartboyhw> akgraner, :)
[14:32] <holstein> yeah, i want to get back to helping out... not this weekend though im afraid
[14:32] <smartboyhw> holstein, \o/
[14:45] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: thanks!
[14:47] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, I'll rearrange some of the articles and where they are a little later, but if we can get these summed up that would be great (if not I'll work on them in a couple of hours)
[14:47] <JoseeAntonioR> I will too
[14:47] <akgraner> holstein, we need to catch up - you in Asheville next week?
[14:47] <akgraner> any local gigs?
[14:48] <JoseeAntonioR> working on the lococouncil announcement
[14:53] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: mind approving a fridge post?
[14:53] <akgraner> sure  - looking now
[14:53] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks
[14:54] <akgraner> Done - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/04/27/new-members-of-the-ubuntu-loco-council-announced-2/
[14:55] <JoseeAntonioR> great, thanks!
[14:55] <akgraner> yw - ok - I'm out for a couple hours - I'll pull stats in the morning :-)
[14:58] <JoseeAntonioR> ok! have a nice day!
[17:17] <holstein> akgraner: i could make time.. what are you doing tuesday?
[17:18] <holstein> im on the radio at around 1 til 2.. then im free til the concert that evening
[17:18] <holstein> akgraner: hey.. it might be wcqs.. i'll have to check.. thats near you right? spindale?


[00:09] <ron_o> for boot I know, go at least 250MB.. mine @ 100MB has issues with space.
[00:09] <ron_o> ... /usr is huge... depends on how many apps you have, I guess.
[00:13] <ron_o> my /usr is at 4 GB..
[00:17] <Bwyard> how do i mount a hard drive partition
[00:19] <ron_o> # sudo mount /dev/<named_partition>
[00:20] <ron_o> and #umount    .... to unmount it.
[00:21] <raevol> livecd uses intel KMS... that's so awesome
[00:21] <raevol> almost done installing on my eeepc
[00:22] <Bwyard> um its not working
[00:22] <Bwyard> im trying but its not working
[00:23] <ron_o> you have to have the right name of the partition.
[00:23] <Bwyard> its sda4
[00:23] <ron_o> is it like sda4..
[00:23] <ron_o> and you are in root?
[00:23] <Bwyard> im using sudo
[00:24] <Bwyard> well gpart says it mounted in / /media/linux and linux
[00:24] <ron_o> what's the error?
[00:24] <Bwyard> so how do i remove those three mounts then mount it so i can write to it or see it in thunar
[00:24] <ron_o> what are you trying to mount exactly?
[00:24] <Bwyard> there is no error
[00:24] <ron_o> oh sorry..
[00:24] <Bwyard> a ext3 partition thats blank
[00:24] <ron_o> been awhile.
[00:25] <ron_o> you have to mount a device to a mount point.
[00:25] <Bwyard> well its mounted to 3 mount points
[00:25] <ron_o> like  #sudo /dev/sda4  /media/cdrom
[00:25] <Bwyard> "/"
[00:25] <Bwyard> "/media/linux"
[00:25] <Bwyard> and
[00:25] <Bwyard> "linux"
[00:25] <ron_o> then just umount it..
[00:28] <Bwyard> srry bout that
[00:28] <Bwyard> i logged out and logged back in
[00:28] <Bwyard> its unmounted frome verywher but /
[00:28] <Bwyard> when i try to unmount in gpart
[00:29] <Bwyard> it says i need to manually unmount
[00:29] <Bwyard> i will be back later
[00:29] <Bwyard> wheni get back can u plz help
[00:29] <Bwyard> it will be like 10 - 15 min
[00:29] <ron_o> the command is just #umount <device> in root
[00:29] <ron_o> I must go now.
[00:29] <Bwyard> ok
[00:44] <Bwyard> how do i unmount a extra partition mounted to /
[00:46] <kromar> hi
[00:47] <kromar> is it somehow possible to controll 2 pcs with one keyboard and mouse?
[01:02] <bwyard> it fixed
[01:09] <raevol> hmm i don't really like the new GDM, and there seems to be no options for changing it around
[01:24] <bwyard> how do i mount windows drive
[02:27] <Studz> Hey
[02:27] <Studz> I just upgraded to 9.10 and anytime I open an application there is no bar at the top of the window. So I can't move, close, etc and it overlaps the top panel. I can't seem to google for a solution since all the hits are off topic when I include the word "window"
[02:28] <Studz> Is there a thread or fix for this?
[02:36] <Aquina> Try to reboot the system. In case it doens't help experiment with xfce4-panel or xfce-panel. Maybe there's a problem with that.
[02:37] <Studz> Rebooting doesn't seem to have any effect. Anything specific with xfce4-pane
[02:38] <Studz> panel?*
[02:52] <millo87> hey, I'm trying to install xubuntu - upon recommendation of the guys at #ubuntu.  I'm currently sitting at the screen with "Install Xubuntu" in the middle - with boot options
[02:52] <millo87> everything I click/type gives me a popup box with what looks to be "/inrtall/vmlinuz"
[02:53] <millo87> can anyone give me some idea where to go from here please?
[03:12] <Andysalina5> yo
[03:12] <ceafu_> Hey all. Is Xubuntu 9.10 having all the pulseaudio and/or alsa sound issues with snd-hda-intel that ubuntu and kubuntu are ?
[03:12] <Andysalina5> not that im aware of...
[03:14] <millo87> hey, I'm trying to install xubuntu - upon recommendation of the guys at #ubuntu.  I'm currently sitting at the screen with "Install Xubuntu" in the middle - with boot options
[03:14] <ceafu_> Does Xubuntu have pulseaudio installed by default. I am try to decide whether or not to download, burn, and do another install today.
[03:14] <millo87> everything I click/type gives me a popup box with what looks to be "/inrtall/vmlinuz"
[03:14] <millo87> can anyone give me some idea where to go from here please?
[03:21] <Andysalina5> im sorry i cant
[03:28] <ceafu_> Is pulseuadio installed in Xubuntu 9.10 by default ?
[04:21] <Jammet> Hello there ... :)
[04:22] <Jammet> I've just finished the software upgrade to 9.10 and now - the "add/remove software" program in the menu is gone. I read that there is a new, different programs for installing software now, but I don't know the name.
[05:25] <raevol> hey is it safe to click skip during "downloading language packs" in xubuntu install?
[05:25] <raevol> it says it's going to take an hour...
[05:27] <raevol> omg
[05:27] <raevol> btw empathy suport for irc is terrible, and irssi is terrible too
[05:27] <raevol> did i miss anything?
[05:31] <raevol> screw it clicked skip
[06:16] <hellothere> taking into consideration that Xubuntu uses Xfce, which is a good thing, excepting that, how would you rate Xubuntu in comparison to other distros with similar markets?
[06:18] <_Techie_> what is this, some sort of poll?
[06:18] <_Pete_> -1
[06:19] <hellothere> it's called research
[06:20] <_Pete_> hopefully not real one?
[06:20] <hellothere> oh please
[06:29] <hellothere> would anybody be kind enough to answer the question
[06:33] <hellothere> 159
[06:33] <hellothere> 158
[06:33] <_Techie_> i would rate it very evenly, while it lacks some of the more advanced features of its counterparts, it runs fast on most hardware
[06:34] <_Pete_> define fast?
[06:35] <_Techie_> speed of GUI
[06:35] <_Techie_> i find that menu's open alot faster than when using some other distros
[06:43] <Rika> I hate to ask this, but can someone tell me why gcc is no longer officially supported?
[06:44] <_Pete_> Rika: ?
[06:44] <Rika> ..
[06:44] <Rika> Neevermind. I answerd my own question when I was scrolling through the upgrade list
[06:45] <Rika> (that is, 4.4 isn't supported in jaunty but in karmic, so it only appears in the karmic lists, which is why gcc-4.3 is.. well, no longer supported.)
[06:45] <_Pete_> that would be breaking news :)
[06:45] <Rika> So.. uhm.
[06:45] <Rika> I just feel dumb now. Sorry about that.
[06:45] <_Pete_> well, join the club
[07:11] <Kimbosobisobi> can I use unetbootin-windows-377.exe to put Xubuntu's ISO on a flashdrive ?
[07:11] <_Techie_> yes Kimbosobisobi you can
[07:12] <Kimbosobisobi> OK, so after the ISO is done I just select it, tell it the flash drive (after I get my junk off of it) and I should be good to go long as I select it at next boot?
[07:12] <Rika> Yes
[07:12] <Rika> That's how I installed xubuntu on my laptop
[07:13] <_Techie_> yep Kimbosobisobi easy as pie
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> Groovy baby.
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> oh
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> no need to change the FAT32 ?
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> (partition)
[07:13] <_Techie_> no, as long as you have a fat32 partition
[07:13] <Kimbosobisobi> ok
[07:14] <Kimbosobisobi> I'll see if this one actually works unlike the last 2 releases
[07:15] <_Techie_> ive never had problems with *buntu and unetbootin
[07:15] <_Techie_> especially 8.10 and 9.04
[07:16] <Kimbosobisobi> I was referring to the kernels don't work properly with the e1000e module
[07:16] <Kimbosobisobi> last one that did was hardy
[07:16] <_Pete_> Kimbosobisobi: works perfectly here with my EeePC 1000he
[07:17] <Kimbosobisobi> _Pete_: I'm on a Dell Inspiron 530
[07:17] <Kimbosobisobi> It would work sometime, sometime not
[07:17] <_Pete_> and what exactly isnt working?
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> it will 'twinkle' at the router
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> and never get a connection
[07:18] <_Pete_> wierd
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> sometimes , after many times, of rmmod e1000e , and modprobe e1000e
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> it will come back
[07:18] <_Pete_> are you sure it is about that linux?
[07:18] <Kimbosobisobi> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11998
[07:19] <_Pete_> Kimbosobisobi: ok then
[07:20] <Kimbosobisobi> yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up
[07:20] <_Pete_> well
[07:21] <_Pete_> I think things are repaired very fast on linux-world
[07:21] <Kimbosobisobi> Well Intrepid and Jaunty didn't work
[07:21] <Kimbosobisobi> Jaunty worked a little better
[07:21] <Kimbosobisobi> but still wasn't enough to make me switch back
[07:21] <Kimbosobisobi> now if XP was out of security updates .. sure
[07:22] <_Pete_> always can blame bad HW
[07:22] <_Pete_> luckily I never have had one
[07:22] <Kimbosobisobi> that's what they do here in linux
[07:22] <Kimbosobisobi> land
[07:23] <_Pete_> do what?
[07:24] <Kimbosobisobi> blame "hardware that was made for windows only"
[07:24] <_Pete_> yes
[07:24] <_Pete_> btw, count me on to that those
[07:24] <_Pete_> since I am doing that also (=linux dev)
[07:25] <_Pete_> but what else can you do when no specs are available?
[07:25] <Kimbosobisobi> specs?
[07:26] <_Pete_> like in this
[07:26] <_Pete_> how to program certain hardware
[07:26] <_Pete_> those win-gays dont make that info public
[07:27] <_Pete_> so only way to try is reverse-engineer
[07:27] <Kimbosobisobi> well it worked in hardy
[07:27] <Kimbosobisobi> so what did they break is the question
[07:27] <_Techie_> well, what stopped working?
[07:28] <Kimbosobisobi> my NIC, properly
[07:49] <Axius> How to change a user name?
[07:50] <_Techie_> one sec ill grab the command
[07:51] <_Techie_> sudo usermod -l NEW_NAME OLD NAME
[08:14] <Axius> When I try to remove a user I get this message : userdel: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later. What should I do ?
[08:15] <TheSheep> Axius: are you trying to remove yourself?
[08:16] <TheSheep> Axius: did you try doing it as a root?
[08:16] <Axius> I used sudo userdel unername
[08:21] <Axius> How to addf a user to sudoers?
[08:22] <Axius> How to add a user to sudoers?
[08:22] <_Techie_> visudo
[08:23] <_Techie_> by any chance were you originally trying to change a user to another user and have now resorted to deleting the user and creating a new one?
[08:31] <Axius> i have created a new user and i want to delete the old user.
[09:21]  * Avash notifies every one who are fun lovers to join channe #avash which is truly a fun channel
[09:51] <nikolam> Hm, someone screwed up ionice settings in /etc/cron.daily/slocate, making it -7 instead of 7...  on Hardy
[09:52] <nikolam> Thats why I was so frustrated once per day excpt I was not beside computer, and that was.. almost never..
[09:52] <nikolam> I would like to see to what package does /etc/xron.daily/slocate comes from..
[09:54] <knome> nikolam, install apt-file
[09:57] <nikolam> knome, i found it with synaptic package properties. it is from slocate package..
[09:57] <nikolam> Anyway, thanks for apt-file :)
[09:57] <knome> np
[10:00] <nikolam> Hm, it is also interesting that there is no slocate package anymore, beyond interpid/8.10
[10:29] <MaxFrames> hello
[10:52] <MaxFrames> dammit... on my PIII 733 system karmic actually boots slower than jaunty :(
[10:52] <Sysi> how did you measure?
[10:53] <MaxFrames> er... counting the seconds?
[10:54] <hellothere> impressive
[10:54] <Sysi> with 2,4 celeron it's faster
[10:54] <hellothere> smart girl
[10:54] <Sysi> first boot of course is slower
[10:55] <MaxFrames> of course I did not count the first boot
[10:56] <MaxFrames> my poor old compaq deskpro... I admit it has seen better days :P
[11:02] <MaxFrames> but I have another problem... I use a tool called Synergy to use a single keyboard and a single mouse to control two computers
[11:03] <MaxFrames> a windows xp computer acts as synergy server and the xubuntu pc acts as the client
[11:03] <MaxFrames> with 9.04 I hadn't any problem; with 9.10 what I type on the keyboard does not match what appears on xubuntu
[11:04] <MaxFrames> for instance, I type "-" and I get "'"
[11:05] <MaxFrames> it's like the mapping is wrong
[11:05] <MaxFrames> the physical keyboard is an italian one, and both operating systems are set up to use the italian layout
[11:13] <Yoshi47> so i upgraded to 9.10 this morning, and when i log in it thinks does the sparkly splash screen then returns to the login menu, i have tried reset all the permissions on my home folder but that still don't work, anyone having similiar issues?
[11:15] <Yoshi47> umm starts fine with startx -- :1
[11:15] <MaxFrames> gosh... that's a little bit worse than the little glitches I am getting :(
[11:16] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, What are you getting
[11:16] <MaxFrames> keyboard mapping problems using synergy
[11:17] <MaxFrames> what I type on the server PC does not match what I get on the client
[11:17] <MaxFrames> I have a windows pc as synergy server and linux as client, and both are set up for italian keyboard
[11:18] <MaxFrames> but now linux thinks it's a US keyboard, apparently
[11:18] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, synergy has bugs, but is nice to use, i'll give you that
[11:18] <Yoshi47> never had that problem though
[11:18] <MaxFrames> but it worked perfectly with 9.04!
[11:18] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, maybe you need to install the italian keyboard layout or something like that, i don't know cause i don't ever change it
[11:19] <MaxFrames> the italian keyboard layout is already installed on both PCs
[11:19] <MaxFrames> if I type on the linux PC with the physically attached keyboard, it works fine
[11:19] <MaxFrames> the problem is just with synergy
[11:20] <Yoshi47> well thats interesting, i had xubuntu but on the update it changed to gnome, i didn't ask for that, so i know have to install xfce cause apparently it uninstalled it, not all of it just the meta package
[11:21] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, i don't know how synergy supports languages, have you looked at the features?
[11:22] <MaxFrames> I don't know either, I just know that it was working before, and all I had to do was apt-get install it
[11:22] <Yoshi47> umm
[11:24] <MaxFrames> it's horrible... synergy was crucial for my workstation :(
[11:25] <MaxFrames> if i don't find a workaround, I'll have to format & reinstall 9.04
[11:26] <Yoshi47> lol, my screen rotated 90
[11:27] <MaxFrames> I'll remove synergy, reinstall it, reboot both pcs and pray
[11:27] <Yoshi47>  i don't think canocial did enough testing
[11:27] <MaxFrames> I tend to agree
[11:28] <Yoshi47> but what do you do
[11:28] <MaxFrames> I don't know, all I know is that every time I upgrade I spend two days fixing things
[11:28] <Yoshi47> we are the testers, i just think it should of stayed in beta longer, especially with all these new users coming from windows
[11:28] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, better then everyday fixing windows!
[11:30] <MaxFrames> well, my windows xp box hasn't needed special care for months now
[11:31] <doktor_dre> is there some global music volume controller in xubuntu? the sound volume is much lower than what I have in windows!
[11:31] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, well you get lucky then, but i'll give you that if you know how to treat it it does that job, just not my job and what i need to do
[11:31] <MaxFrames> don't get me wrong, I like ubuntu but it's just not ready to replace windows for casual end users yet
[11:31] <Yoshi47> doktor_dre, yes
[11:31] <doktor_dre> Yoshi47: where?
[11:31] <Yoshi47> make sure you PCM is up
[11:31] <doktor_dre> what?
[11:31] <Yoshi47> ok lets start from the beginning
[11:31] <Yoshi47> you running xfce
[11:31] <doktor_dre> yes
[11:32] <Yoshi47> ok
[11:32] <Yoshi47> click on your volume icon by the clock
[11:32] <doktor_dre> brb 1 min
[11:32] <Yoshi47> lol
[11:32] <MaxFrames> I'll reboot now, and reinstall synergy, bbl
[11:32] <Yoshi47> ok
[11:36] <doktor_dre> back
[11:36] <doktor_dre> i don't have it, Yoshi47
[11:36] <doktor_dre> ok
[11:36] <doktor_dre> now I do
[11:36] <doktor_dre> that was it, thanks
[11:36] <Yoshi47> oh
[11:37] <Yoshi47> right click, add new items
[11:37] <Yoshi47> ok you have it now?
[11:37] <doktor_dre> 12:36 < doktor_dre> that was it, thanks
[11:37] <Yoshi47> so you see the PCM
[11:37] <doktor_dre> it's ok
[11:37] <doktor_dre> i've increased the volume
[11:38] <Yoshi47> well if you want to make it real loud like on a laptop make sure the PCM is up to but not to high
[11:38] <Yoshi47> that will give it a boost
[11:38] <doktor_dre> i've no idea what is pcm, i'm using a laptop and like I said, it's OK - I've made the sound louder already
[11:38] <doktor_dre> I know how to use the volume controller, just couldn't find it
[11:40] <Yoshi47> you usualy have to add more controls and then you will see it
[11:40] <doktor_dre> ...realized
[11:40] <doktor_dre> it's OK
[11:41] <Yoshi47> doktor_dre, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-code_modulation if yuor interested
[11:42] <doktor_dre> thanks for help but I can't resist but to ask a question
[11:42] <doktor_dre> are you one of those people that try so much to get into the staff of a certain channel by helping more than they need to?
[11:42] <doktor_dre> i've noticed freenode is full of such...... uh volunteers
[11:45] <doktor_dre> when I say multiple times "it's OK. thanks"... there's no need to explain in more details over and over
[11:59] <Yoshi47> doktor_dre, nope im at work and that more then i contributed all month
[12:00] <Yoshi47> just thought i would enlighten you so you not like rest of the world,
[12:00] <flan_suse> I have Xubuntu 9.10 installed on my netbook. When I connect to my protected wireless router, I enter my WPA passphrase. After doing so, the passphrase seems to be stored as plaintext in the NetworkManager. On Ubuntu (GNOME) it was stored as a hash. How can I get it to do the same on Xfce?
[12:01] <Yoshi47> flan_suse, same network manager?
[12:01] <flan_suse> I have "Start GNOME services" checked under Sessions > Advanced
[12:01] <flan_suse> Yoshi47, it's the NetworkManagers that comes with Xubuntu 9.10
[12:01] <Yoshi47> may gnome key ring has somethign to do with it, i don't know
[12:07] <MaxFrames> :((( I am trying to install synergy-plus to see if it solves the issue (I already upgraded the windows machine to it, now I'm trying to update the xubuntu machine)
[12:07] <MaxFrames> I am following these instructions: https://launchpad.net/~eugenesan/+archive/ppa
[12:07] <MaxFrames> I cannot register the PGP key of the package, the keyserver times out :((
[12:07] <MaxFrames> so I cannot install synergy-plus
[12:09] <MaxFrames> is keyserver.ubuntu.com even the right address?
[12:12] <Yoshi47> don't know but some one in ubuntu said some servers where out
[12:18] <MaxFrames> .... at last, it responded
[12:18] <MaxFrames> now I am installing synergy+ on both machines, let's hope it fixes the issue
[12:20] <MaxFrames> in case it doesn't, can you suggest the best path to return to 9.04?
[12:22]  * MaxFrames clears throat
[12:29] <MaxFrames> still not working, all is lost :(
[12:38] <MaxFrames> currently I am trying to make synergyc quit after the logon screen and then load again in the user context
[12:39] <MaxFrames> because apparently restarting it cures the issue
[12:43] <MaxFrames> while I wait for reboot: do you also now get a flickering "dotted" plain xwindows background after issuing a reboot/halt?
[12:45] <MaxFrames> YESSSS! problem solved!!!! synergyc must be loaded for the logon screen, then unloaded, then loaded again
[12:45] <Yoshi47> nice
[12:45] <Yoshi47> really
[12:45] <MaxFrames> apparently, if it is running during the logon process, somehow settings are messed up
[12:46] <Yoshi47> umm
[12:46] <Yoshi47> login manager language maybe
[12:46] <MaxFrames> although that was not a problem with 9.04
[12:46] <Yoshi47> i know the new gdm has it
[12:46] <Yoshi47> n ope gdm changed since then
[12:46] <MaxFrames> ok, so that must be the issue
[12:46] <MaxFrames> possibly my gdm is set up for US
[12:46] <Yoshi47> something like that yea
[12:46] <Yoshi47> open a bug up maybe on synergy?
[12:46] <Yoshi47> you will help improve it
[12:47] <Yoshi47> since you rely on it so much
[12:47] <MaxFrames> do you know how to check the gdm language?
[12:47] <Yoshi47> mine just showed it at the bottom you could select it, like on the taskbar when viewing the login screen
[12:47] <MaxFrames> oh, ok, so it's italian already
[12:48] <MaxFrames> anyway.. I have found the hint about loading/unloading/reloading synergyc here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=564405
[12:48] <MaxFrames> I have made all the modifications outlined there, and it works
[12:48] <MaxFrames> well, I am going out for a well deserved lunchtime :)
[12:49] <Yoshi47> lunch, where are you
[12:49] <MaxFrames> italy, and late for lunch by about 50 minutes :D
[12:49] <Shockrates> hi
[12:49] <Shockrates> how do i mount a ntfs secondary drive
[12:49] <Shockrates> ?
[12:49] <MaxFrames> see you later
[12:49] <Yoshi47> Shockrates, command line?
[12:49] <Yoshi47> or gui
[12:49] <Shockrates> the easiest way
[12:50] <Yoshi47> xubuntu 9.10 or 9.04
[12:50] <Shockrates> 910
[12:50] <Yoshi47> when you plug it in it doesn't come up in thunar? or on your desktop?
[12:50] <Shockrates> its a hdd
[12:50] <Shockrates> internal
[12:50] <Yoshi47> oh
[12:50] <Yoshi47> do you want it always to mount on boot
[12:50] <Shockrates> yes
[12:50] <Yoshi47> you will have to add a line to fstab then
[12:51] <Shockrates> a thing i did some time ago
[12:51] <Shockrates> was to run fdisk
[12:51] <Shockrates> and then mount it to some place
[12:52] <Yoshi47> read this it might be what you want http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=785263
[12:53] <Shockrates> i have no internet access to that pc
[12:54] <Yoshi47> umm, never?
[12:55] <Yoshi47> but something like this in your /etc/fstab
[12:55] <Yoshi47> /dev/sda4       /windows        ntfs    defaults,noatime   0       0
[12:55] <Yoshi47> but change to suit your needs
[12:55] <Shockrates> how can i share an internet access between kubuntu and xubuntu using ethernet? i have a laptop with wifi that has internet connection and a desktop pc
[12:55] <Yoshi47> of course
[12:55] <Animagladius> Hi
[12:55] <Yoshi47> Shockrates, thats a whole diff sotry
[12:55] <Shockrates> yes i need this one
[12:55] <Shockrates> i found the solution for mount
[12:56] <Yoshi47> but possible, you rneed to bridge your lan to your wifi on your one and then set you wifi as a AP
[12:56] <Yoshi47> Animagladius, HI
[12:57] <Animagladius> Hi Yoshi47
[13:18] <Shockrates> whats the xubuntu text editor command
[13:18] <Sysi> mousepad is default graphical
[13:20] <Shockrates> and the command for it
[13:20] <Shockrates> like gedit
[13:20] <Sysi> mousepad
[13:22] <Shockrates> thanks
[13:26] <Laserbeak> hello
[13:27] <Laserbeak> xubuntu recognizes my soundcard and nothing is muted and all channels are turned up, but i get no sound
[13:27] <Laserbeak> can someone help?
[13:28] <Laserbeak> whoops
[13:29] <venezolana> 	 I need to install xubuntu excel in an application that uses the company
[13:30] <venezolana> 	 because the plugin is to excel
[13:30] <venezolana> who knows?
[13:32] <knome> venezolana, sorry, but can you try to rephrase?
[13:33] <venezolana> I need install excel in xubuntu
[13:34] <knome> venezolana, then you will have to install it under wine or use a virtualization software and install windows and then excel.
[13:34] <venezolana> 	 because there is an application in the enterprise that works only in Excel
[13:37] <venezolana> 	 yes, I'm testing with wine
[13:37] <venezolana> 	 wanted to know if there were other options
[13:38] <venezolana> thanks, knome.
[13:38] <knome> np
[13:38] <venezolana> what is np?
[13:41] <knome> np == "no problem"
[13:42] <MaxFrames> re
[13:43] <MaxFrames> how do I restore the need to type a username to logon? the new gdm's users list is a security risk
[13:48] <Yoshi47> MaxFrames, is your password that bad
[13:48] <MaxFrames> mine is not. other's... I don't know
[13:49] <MaxFrames> oh found out
[13:49] <MaxFrames> sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/disable_user_list 'true'
[13:50] <MaxFrames> anyway in my case (PIII 733, 320 MB RAM) the new gdm didn't pay off because it's both slower and with less options than it used to be
 i want to share the internet connection between a kubuntu and xubuntu box via ethernet. they kubuntu box only has internet access
[13:51] <Shockrates> --> agelos<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
 how can i do it?
[13:51] <MaxFrames> I suppose with 10.04 I'll have to choose whether to scrap this PC or go Puppy Linux
[13:52] <knome> MaxFrames, the gdm and its options might change for 10.04 as there is many regressions.
[13:53] <knome> MaxFrames, for xubuntu, we might even migrate to some other display manager.
[13:53] <MaxFrames> Shockrates: already googled? eg http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[13:55] <Shockrates> inst there an easy gui way?
[13:56] <valus> hey all
[13:56] <valus> i'm using xubuntu for about a week now and just want to tell that's a marvellous operating system
[13:56] <valus> powerfull as a linux
[13:57] <valus> many packages as a debian
[13:57] <valus> and ressources costless with xfce
[13:57] <valus> the only problem i had was to access network shares but now i use samb4k
[14:05] <MaxFrames> it's ok. it just gives me a day of headache every time I upgrade the distribution, but overall it's a fine OS
[14:37] <flan_suse> I'm having a problem with saving my wireless WPA passhprase using Xubuntu. I have "Start GNOME services" enabled, and I also installed "Seahorse" via Synaptics.
[14:38] <flan_suse> However, the NetworkManager is not saving my WPA passphrase. And the one time it did, it left it unprotected (plaintext, not a hash, like GNOME does.)
[14:38] <flan_suse> When I open up Seahorse, I cannot "change password" for the login key.
[14:38] <flan_suse> Please, any help would be appreciated.
[14:54] <Animagladius> wtf @ NickDeNeger
[15:05] <Nomecasuale> Hi
[15:05] <Nomecasuale> is there somebody who could help me installing Xubuntu?
[15:05] <hellothere> Where do you come from!
[15:06] <Nomecasuale> is there anybody who could help me installing Xubuntu?
[15:06] <Sysi> !ask
[15:06] <Nomecasuale> Italy!
[15:06] <Nomecasuale> Oh, thanks
[15:06] <hellothere> Pizzza spaghettti
[15:06] <hellothere> mafia romola
[15:07] <Nomecasuale> So, I would like to install Xubuntu, but I'm not expert at all, I don't know how to start!
[15:07] <hellothere> insert cd and press start!
[15:07] <Nomecasuale> Ehehe Mamma mia pizza mandolino :D
[15:08] <hellothere> :-*
[15:08] <Nomecasuale> I do not have a CD
[15:08] <hellothere> oh please
[15:08] <hellothere> everybody has a CD
[15:08] <Nomecasuale> Not me!
[15:08] <Shockrates> hi how to i change the encoding of a txt with kate?
[15:08] <Nomecasuale> Should I go out to buy it?
[15:09] <ablomen> Nomecasuale, http://xubuntu.org/get
[15:09] <ablomen> you can download it there
[15:09] <Nomecasuale> Ok, I'm taking a look
[15:10] <Shockrates> and then burn it with imgburn if you use windows
[15:10] <Shockrates> or something else
[15:10] <Nomecasuale> Oh, I understand
[15:11] <Nomecasuale> Then I suppouse I have to boot it from the bios
[15:11] <Nomecasuale> is that correct?
[15:12] <knome> Nomecasuale, yes, set bios to boot from CD, put the cd in and restart
[15:12] <Nomecasuale> Ok, perfect
[15:13] <Nomecasuale> Mmm
[15:13] <Nomecasuale> I have to partition on my hard disk in Windows
[15:14] <Nomecasuale> How does it works to put Linux on a partition?
[15:14] <Nomecasuale> Is it different?
[15:14] <Nomecasuale> Sorry, I meant two partitions ;)
[15:16] <knome> Nomecasuale, no, linux partitions can be created like windows ones. they are usually formatted to other filesystems (ext3) than the windows partitions
[15:19] <Nomecasuale> Ok; Installing Linux will delete some information in my hard disk? How can I set the boot type at the beginning of my session?
[15:19] <Nomecasuale> (If I'm disturbing with so much questions please just tell me)
[15:20] <knome> Nomecasuale, no, if you install linux into empty partitions, nothing will be changed
[15:20] <knome> Nomecasuale, (x)ubuntu installs grub in the hard drive MBR, which controls which OS you want to boot
[15:21] <knome> Nomecasuale, it usually automagically notices that there is a windows installation and adds it to the boot list
[15:22] <ceafu> I am interested in removing pulseaudio completely from Xubuntu. I had ubuntu, installed xubuntu-desktop, and now removed all ubuntu stuffs. Is anyone running Xubuntu without pulseaudio ?
[15:22] <ceafu> 9.10 Karmic that is
[15:41] <Nomecasuale> Hi all, my connection went down, I took the opportunity to buy a CD
[15:42] <Nomecasuale> I was asking: if I have 2 Windows partitions, both with some data, is it possible to avoid data loosing?
[15:44] <knome> Nomecasuale, there are some tools with which you can resize windows partitions without losing data on them
[15:45] <Nomecasuale> Oh, perfect, how do they work?
[15:45] <knome> like a normal partitioner :P
[15:45] <knome> one of them is acronis partitionexpert
[15:45] <knome> that's not free though
[15:46] <knome> and i don't know of a free alternative
[15:46] <Nomecasuale> OMG, maybe my skills in informatics are too low to get start with Linux
[15:48] <knome> Nomecasuale, do you have a spare HD?
[15:49] <Nomecasuale> It's not spared physiccally, just two partition I think: it's a notebook, I bought it this way
[15:50] <Nomecasuale> the one that has Windows is quite full, the other has some space
[15:51] <knome> right. i meant that if you have one more HD you could use in installing linux
[15:51] <knome> Nomecasuale, you can also use wubi, which installs ubuntu inside windows
[15:51] <knome> bbl ->
[15:52] <Nomecasuale> Mmm, I have an old machine, I need Xubuntu
[15:52] <Nomecasuale> And I have DSL on Windows
[15:53] <Nomecasuale> But even DSL in windows works slowly
[15:53] <Nomecasuale> and it runs on a little windows
[15:54] <Nomecasuale> :(
[15:55] <Nomecasuale> However, are the data in the second HD (if it is in effect a second HD) in danger?
[15:58] <Nomecasuale> Installing DSL, instead of Xubuntu, would avoid the loss of data? Does DSL require its own HD?
[15:59] <oolon> is there still issues with 64bit os's and flash?
[15:59] <likemindead> Anyone know what the deal is with this ugliness I'm getting with any & all notifications?
[15:59] <likemindead> http://imagebin.ca/img/yvra3e.png
[16:00] <MaxFrames> likemindead: 9.10? was it ok in 9.04?
[16:01] <likemindead> Yes on both accounts.
[16:02] <MaxFrames> any chance you have an nvida gfx chip?
[16:02] <likemindead> It's the only issue I've had with 9.10 & I've been using it since Alpha 6.
[16:02] <likemindead> Nope. Old ghetto ATI Rage or something.
[16:02] <likemindead> PIII laptop with 1GB RAM.
[16:03] <MaxFrames> mm, a PIII fellow :) me too
[16:03] <MaxFrames> is this an upgrade or a fresh 9.10 install?
[16:03] <likemindead> Fresh install (at Alpha 6).
[16:04] <MaxFrames> I'm no expert, but have you tried to do some apt-get housecleaning and then check for updated packages?
[16:04] <likemindead> Haven't tried anything yet. Was hoping it might be fixed by the final release time.
[16:05] <MaxFrames> Or to play a bit with screen resolution-color depth-graphic theme?
[16:05] <likemindead> I'll give that a go.
[16:05] <likemindead> I'm going to boot the Ubuntu 9.10 Live CD too & see if the same problem is there.
[16:05] <MaxFrames> I'm guessing possibly incomplete gfx card support=>clean obsolete packages
[16:05] <MaxFrames> yes, good idea
[16:06] <MaxFrames> I had a similar issue anyway back with 6.x
[16:06] <MaxFrames> if I recall well, it went away with 8.04
[16:06] <MaxFrames> I had artifacts on many window borders
[16:16] <oolon> im gonna try the 64 bit version for the first time. seems nvidia will play nice with newer beta 190.*
[16:56] <Naxzul> hello
[17:02] <hellothere> Hello Naxzul care ye to introduce you?
[17:02] <Laserbeak> hello, xubuntu recognizes my soundcard and alsamixer is turned all the way up, speakers are on, nothing is muted, but i'm not getting sound
[17:03] <Laserbeak> ahh is it cause i'm not a member of the use audio devices group?
[17:04] <hellothere> i don't know, do you have a membercard?
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Could be
[17:05] <Laserbeak> do i have to restart xserver after i add myself to audio?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> You have to logout and login so it knows you changed what the user can do
[17:07] <Laserbeak> k thx
[17:07] <Laserbeak> brb
[17:09] <Laserbeak> hmm still no sound\
[17:10] <charlie-tca> dumb question time: speakers turned on?
[17:10] <Laserbeak> yeah
[17:10] <Laserbeak> nothing muted
[17:10] <Laserbeak> speakers plugged in
[17:10] <Laserbeak> mixer recognizes card
[17:11] <Laserbeak> gonna try the default card....
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Might try different jack in the card
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I got one with three output jacks, if I hit the wrong jacks, it won't make no sound at all
[17:13] <Laserbeak> yeah
[17:13] <Laserbeak> this is a cheap usb with only one audio out/in
[17:13] <Laserbeak> but it worked on every os i used it on
[17:13] <Laserbeak> ok didn't try default card yet lol
[17:14] <Laserbeak> default card is fine
[17:14] <Laserbeak> but the reason i don't use it is cause only one channel works
[17:15] <charlie-tca> The card is recognized, right?
[17:15] <Laserbeak> yep both cards
[17:15] <charlie-tca> dumb question again
[17:15] <charlie-tca> sorry
[17:15] <Laserbeak> nah it's what u gotta do to make sure stuff is working
[17:15] <charlie-tca> somebody else will have to jump here
[17:16] <Laserbeak> well, thanks for trying
[17:16] <Laserbeak> but my biggest problem is yet to come(getting xubuntu to boot xserver with my nvidia card plugged in)
[17:16] <Laserbeak> dual monitors
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah. I hear karmic is not playing nice with dual monitors
[17:17] <Laserbeak> karmic?
[17:18] <charlie-tca> 9.10
[17:18] <Laserbeak> oh im on 9.04
[17:18] <Laserbeak> when i click UPGRADE in the update manager
[17:18] <Laserbeak> i get an error saying my net settings are wrong(??)
[17:18] <charlie-tca> Should be easy then. Use the nvidia program, is it twinview?
[17:18] <Laserbeak> but i downloaded all of 9.04's update
[17:18] <Laserbeak> s
[17:18] <charlie-tca> are you using static ip?
[17:19] <Laserbeak> no it's a 3rd party card
[17:19] <Laserbeak> i want to use two cards at once
[17:21] <Laserbeak> how do i switch between devices in terminal's version of alsamixer?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Don't know.
[17:22] <charlie-tca> alsamixer -c {card: #}
[17:23] <Laserbeak> that did it thansk
[17:23] <Laserbeak> thanks
[17:23] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:24] <charlie-tca> at least I helped a tiny bit
[17:24] <charlie-tca> feel a bit less useless now
[17:24] <Laserbeak> hehe but i told you you weren't lol
[17:24] <charlie-tca> :-)
[17:25] <Laserbeak> still, i think i might have to go to the sister channel(more users to ask me questions)
[17:25] <charlie-tca> True
[17:26] <Laserbeak> i'll let you know what happens
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Okay
[17:26] <charlie-tca> good luck
[17:26] <Laserbeak> thx
[17:32] <Naxzul> oh sorry i forgot i had this window running
[17:32] <Naxzul> :p
[17:32] <Naxzul> hmm im just curious and downloading the xubuntu (recently discovered xfce so..) and i wanted to see how the channel goes..
[17:34] <Laserbeak> usually a great channle iirc
[17:34] <Laserbeak> kinda quiet atm
[17:34] <Naxzul> ah ok
[17:34] <Laserbeak> i haven't used xubuntu in a while myself
[17:34] <Naxzul> what distro you're currently running then?
[17:37] <Laserbeak> oh im mainly a windows user
[17:37] <Naxzul> oh..
[17:37] <Laserbeak> but i've always wanted to get into linux
[17:37] <Naxzul> i run windows only for resident evil 5 :P
[17:38] <Laserbeak> cause sometimes you lose your key and end up having to steal the softwar
[17:38] <Naxzul> and im still looking for a distro that suits me.. id love to try gentoo but im too lazy to wait for days to have it installed
[17:38] <Laserbeak> e
[17:38] <Laserbeak> which is a pain in the butt
[17:38] <Laserbeak> why days to install?
[17:38] <Naxzul> because i would have to install quite a few things
[17:39] <Laserbeak> yeah i'm trying to fix audio.video right now
[17:39] <Naxzul> sabayon is cool though...
[17:40] <Laserbeak> sabayon? nver heard of it
[17:40] <hellothere> sabayon lul
[17:41] <Laserbeak> lul? someone told me lul is dutch for c**k
[17:43] <Naxzul> why lul?
[17:43] <Naxzul> sabayon is really cool.. some of the devs aren't, but the distro is nice to use
[17:43] <Naxzul> :/
[17:44] <Laserbeak> oh it's a distro
[17:44] <Laserbeak> well off to the forums
[17:44] <hellothere> last time a put the sabayon piece of livecd into my drive and booted it it couldnt even play multimedia files with its xboxmediaplayawuteveritiscalled
[17:44] <Laserbeak> no help in #ubuntu
[17:44] <Naxzul> Laserbeak: what's the problem?
[17:44]  * Laserbeak copies and pastes
[17:45] <Naxzul> hellothere: yes, you'll have some trouble with the sound in 5.0.. guess you're using the hda intel?
[17:45] <Laserbeak> hello I have 2 soundcards, both recognized by Alsamixer. all channels are unmuted and volume is up. the problem is, one is broken and i don't use it cause it outputs on one channel. the other works on every OS i've used it on, but gives me no sound on this installation. I've added myself tothe use audio devices group, plugged everything in and turned the speakers all the way up and still get nothing can someone pls help?
[17:45] <hellothere> i'm very much so using the hda intel
[17:45] <Naxzul> had the same problem.. removing and reinstalling pulseaudio helped:p
[17:46] <Naxzul> Laserbeak: tried disabling one of the cards?
[17:47] <Laserbeak> no...
[17:47] <Naxzul> could fix it.
[17:47] <Laserbeak> how do i do that?
[17:48] <Laserbeak> and i'm not using pulseaudio according to what apt says
[17:48] <Laserbeak> just alsa
[17:48] <jarnos> Can you install grub to alternate position than MBR, when you install Xubuntu by the desktop CD?
[17:49] <Laserbeak> i think so jarnos, i have no idea how though
[17:51] <knome> jarnos, yes, it's a choice in the "confirm installation" (or sth like that) page
[17:56] <jarnos> knome: great
[18:00] <maxwell> Is anyone else finding that the new Xubuntu boots a little faster, but is super laggy when one is using it?
[18:01] <Naxzul> does xubuntu ship with compiz?
[18:01] <hellothere> yess
[18:01] <Sysi> no
[18:01] <Naxzul> who of you should i trust?:P
[18:02] <maxwell> Me ^-^
[18:02] <Naxzul> you said nothing:/
[18:02] <Sysi> there is composing opacities but that's not compiz
[18:02] <Naxzul> ah.. i love transparencies.. my transparent thunar is so cool ^^
[18:07] <hellothere> you can ,make yer desktop cute w/ compizz
[18:08] <skysong> without you mean?
[18:08] <skysong> oh i don't mind having it ...
[18:09] <Sysi> i installed compiz but i decided that original composing was better
[18:10] <skysong> but do original compositing allow you to add transparency to thunar?
[18:10] <Laserbeak> holy shit
[18:10] <Laserbeak> working so well now i damaged my ears
[18:10] <Sysi> i don't think so
[18:10] <skysong> thing is thats what made me move from windows to linux, i would never get a desktop as cute as this in windows;)
[18:10] <skysong> congrats Laserbeak :)
[18:11] <Laserbeak> thx
[18:11] <skysong> anytime:)
[18:11]  * Laserbeak shakes his head vigorously
[18:11] <Laserbeak> are you naxxoul?
[18:11] <Laserbeak> naxxul
[18:11] <skysong> yeah
[18:11] <Laserbeak> oh ok yeah thx!
[18:11]  * Laserbeak goes to emergency room :)
[18:33] <at133> Hi, I just installed xubuntu 9.10 and I can't get my wireless working. In past versions of kubuntu and ubuntu it has worked fine on install. I am following the troubleshooting area on the wiki, but I don't have a network manager icon in my systray. Is there a way to put it there?
[19:35] <ron_o> can anyone tell me why there are so many resolutions with wallpaper? Why do you need it?
[19:35] <ron_o> it doesn't seem like mines  a problem unless I get one too small.
[19:59] <doktor_dre> join group "give us old grub we don't wanne grub2" on facebook!!!!!
[19:59] <knome> doktor_dre, what's wrong with grub2?
[20:00] <doktor_dre> no menu.lst !!!!
[20:01] <doktor_dre> essential for good computering
[20:28] <tobiasa> just me having problems with task popups that is not clickable?
[20:28] <tobiasa> and flashing if I put the mouse over them
[20:40] <Laserbeak> hello, i was getting a message "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".K2 - Fatal Error: CHost::Init() - Unable to find a suitable FBConfig" so i installed mesa-utils and when i try to run glxgears i get the message "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual" what do i do?
[20:47] <fede> hi
[20:48] <fede> i have a question... this is the right place?
[20:50] <Sysi> !hi
[20:55] <veneficuz> Hi, I
[20:55] <veneficuz> I am having some problems installing from the Alternate disk
[20:55] <veneficuz> it is currently stuck on "setting user and password", anyone else had that problem?
[20:56] <veneficuz> in the /var/log/syslog it says "user-setup: Done", but then nothing happens
[21:05] <fede> no sorry
[21:05] <veneficuz> was afraid of that
[21:06] <Sysi> disc checked?
[21:06] <_Techie_> have you tried checking the disc then starting again?
[21:06] <veneficuz> I'm doing the disk check now
[21:06] <Sysi> mine laptop booted to installation finally \o/
[21:07] <_Techie_> Sysi, what do you reckon of karmic?
[21:07] <Sysi> bad gdm, irritating popups
[21:07] <Sysi> very fast, and rather goodlooking
[21:08] <fede> my question is: I have done a ubuntu server installation. But now i want a simple graphical system, like xubuntu (which i feel comfortable on laptop) to manage it remotely via vnc. What should apt-get to get this xubuntu-server hybrid done?
[21:08] <Sysi> xdmcp has been made difficult but i'm not sure if i need it anymore :P
[21:08] <_Techie_> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[21:08] <fede> :o
[21:09] <Sysi> i'd think xdmcp work for remote control
[21:10] <Sysi> bu i've only tried it in jaunty
[21:10] <Sysi> that was very easy, not with karmic, not sure about LTS
[21:10] <veneficuz> the CD passed the check without any problems, so that does not seem to be the reason for the stopped installer :(
[21:11] <Sysi> try again?
[21:11] <veneficuz> yeah, I'm restarting the install now and hoping it was just a fluke
[21:12] <veneficuz> is there a better way to get full disk-encryption? since that is the only reason I'm using the Alternate install disk
[21:14] <fede> _Techie_: thanks very much, i'm downloading right now :)
[21:15] <_Techie_> no problem fede
[21:15] <fede> Sysi: when done, i will check what's xdmcp, thanks for info
[21:17] <wormsik> hello...can I ask about grub problem in xubuntu 9.10?
[21:17] <_Techie_> !ask
[21:19] <Sysi> fede: basically same with xfce: http://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/28158/Remote_Login_via_XDMCP_on_Ubuntu
[21:20] <wormsik> I've just installed xubuntu 9.10 on notebook...I have got splitted HDD with Win XP, but after succesfull installation and reboot I got into grub, but when I tried to boot Xubuntu, it returned error: no such device: and lot of numebers and letters...I don't know whats wrong, but maybe can it be caused by floppy drive?
[21:28] <zool> just installed new 9.10 xubuntu and for some reason my sound is gone ...
[21:28] <zool> can anyone help
[21:28] <_Techie_> alot of users seem to be having trouble with karmic
[21:29] <Sysi> not more than every release, i hink
[21:29] <_Techie_> if you problem seems as though it could be general ubuntu rather than xubuntu specific you could also ask in #ubuntu where you would most likely get a better response
[21:30] <Sysi> it would be good if some general genious would be here
[21:30] <wormsik> if you have a problem with the sound (i've got same problem in karmic beta), try to type in console sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[21:31] <_Techie_> wormsik, did you mean /usr/sbin/alsa ?
[21:33] <_Techie_> yay, time to load my jaunty USB, be back soon
[21:35] <zool> did "sudo alsa force-reload" no information was shown and the sound is still not working
[21:36] <zool> did u get it to work
[21:37] <zool> in jaunty I removed a lot of packages to reduce the load but the sound was working ok
[21:37] <_Techie_> whoopsie, forgort to transfer my 4gig casper drive, i aint goin very far on 1 gig
[21:37] <zool> perhaps I can try a reinstall of some key sound packages
[21:38] <dave_> looking for help troubleshooting power management on an older dell laptop
[21:55] <_Techie_> yay USB time
[22:32] <slow-motion> hi
[23:05] <a> why hello!
[23:05] <Animagladius> I don't know!
[23:07] <knome> !hi | a
[23:08] <a> so... i'm very much a noob and the taskbars on the top and bottom of the screen have disappeared =O
[23:08] <a> is there a magical <and easy> way to make them come back?
[23:09] <knome> a, alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel
[23:09] <Sysi> press alt + f2 type: xfce4-panel
[23:09] <knome> Sysi, slooooooow
[23:09] <knome> ;)
[23:09] <a> zomg you guys are amazing!
[23:09] <Sysi> your line wasn't good :P
[23:10] <a> all the stuff on the internets was for ubuntu and kept saying to do the same thing but with gnome so i was a tad confused about that >.<
[23:11] <knome> Sysi, your mom wasn't good ;(
[23:12] <Sysi> i'll go sleeping..
[23:12] <knome> hehe :D
[23:12] <knome> night Sysi ;)
[23:13] <Sysi> night
[23:13] <a> tyvm for your help everyone!
[23:22] <MrNaz_cic> what plugins do i need for totem to play dvds?
[23:23] <knome> !dvd | MrNaz_cic
[23:27] <fede> !victory
[23:27] <fede> but i do :)
[23:27] <johnnym_> hello
[23:29] <MrNaz_cic> knome 9.10 apparently deprecated restricted-extras for a different meta package
[23:30] <knome> hmm, i can't remember that being discussed...
[23:30] <knome> you might be correct though
[23:30] <MrNaz_cic> perhaps i'm confusing that with the hal deprecation then
[23:30] <MrNaz_cic> i know there were quite a few changes


[06:29] <mac_v> !logs
[06:44] <demongt> any idea how to change the login screen?
[06:46] <mac_v> demongt: it is hard coded [for now] , you could try this > http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html
[06:47] <demongt> iv seen how to's talking about there being a option to change it?
[06:47] <demongt> but on mine it only lets me change weather i login auto or not?
[06:47] <mac_v> demongt: there is no such option in karmic to change themes
[06:48] <mac_v> demongt: only the two you mention are available for now
[06:48] <demongt> wait...whats karmic
[06:48] <mac_v> demongt: ubuntu 9.10
[06:48] <demongt> OOO
[06:49] <demongt> im new to the linux thing
[06:50] <mac_v> demongt: no probs , why do you want to change the login theme anyway? its not you are going to be looking at it for long
[06:50]  * mac_v just trying to understand
[06:50] <demongt> im picky
[06:50] <demongt> haha
[06:51] <demongt> i like to customize.
[06:51] <mac_v> demongt: try the link i gave you , i havent tried it yet...
[06:52] <demongt> humm, so why did they change it?
[06:54] <mac_v> demongt: Ubuntu did not change it , it was changed in gnome > you can read more about it > Bug #395299
[06:54] <mac_v> demongt: that bug is not related to the features as theming , but it has some info
[06:54] <demongt> oo i forgot. two seperat things unlike windows
[06:55] <mac_v> demongt: if you find the theming missing , file a separate bug for that
[06:55] <mac_v> kwwii: argh! stupid bloggers > "With Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala the GDM has been rewritten to properly take advantage of xsplash, Ubuntu's new X based boot." < they write wrong info such as this :/
[06:56] <demongt> i messed with linux over ten years ago and just recently decided to give it a try again after finally pulling my hair out with vista
[08:16] <ZachK_> hi
[10:03] <kwwii> good morning all
[10:37] <thorwil> good morning!
[10:43] <mac_v_> thorwil: hi... i checked out the scrollbar...  works great  , but IMO , there can be 2 changes
[10:44] <thorwil> i'm all ears
[10:44] <mac_v_> 1> on hover when the pointer turns into the vertical resize , it could be the hand grab pointer
[10:45] <mac_v_> since the arrows use the point hand  , but the handle uses a different pointer
[10:45] <mac_v_> 2> the page scroll was difficult to figure out in a laptop
[10:46] <mac_v_> it took a while for me to realize that i had to click twice to initiate the page scroll
[10:47] <thorwil> mac_v: the hand grab pointer is used for multi-direction/panning elsewhere. also, the difference between the cursor for dragging and clicking arrows would be less pronounced
[10:47] <thorwil> mac_v: oh. you don't have to click twice for page scroll
[10:48] <mac_v_> hmm , the single clicks dont do it for me...
[10:48] <thorwil> mac_v: there's a delay before a mouse-down with no drag start to be interpreted as page scroll
[10:49] <mac_v_> oh...
[10:49] <thorwil> this delay is necessary to not have page scroll if you want to drag
[10:52] <thorwil> hmm, maybe i could also trigger page scroll after a click
[10:52] <mac_v_> thorwil: hmm , maybe it also needs to factor in the double-click threshold.. since if i click once the scrollbar is non reactive , then i click again it again was non reactive. it just took me a while to figure it out ,
[10:52] <mac_v_> or something , else
[10:53] <mac_v_> thorwil: or you keep the present behavior and also use the right-click to trigger the page scroll
[10:54] <mac_v_> my first instinct was to use the right click when the left click didnt work
[10:54] <thorwil> mac_v: yes, seems i focused too much on the repeat action (try holding button pressed). so doing page scroll on mouse-up if there was no drag or holding should fix that
[10:55] <thorwil> mac_v: right click is taken for context menu
[10:55] <thorwil> mac_v: anyway, thanks, you did find a hole :)
[10:56] <mac_v_> thorwil: yeah , but there is no context menu there , so if the right-click works , this way the users would know that the page scroll works , and they might in time figure out that there is a delay to trigger the scroll with left-click...  or which ever you find better :)
[10:56] <thorwil> mac_v: why do you think there's no context menu?
[10:57] <thorwil> mac_v: don't answer, i just realized i broke it somehow
[10:58] <mac_v_> thorwil: oh , lol , there was supposed to be a context menu there?... what where the options avail?
[10:59] <thorwil> mac_v: in my demo just Start and End. the idea is to allow (additional) anchors/bookmarks, though
[10:59] <mac_v_> ah , ok
[11:00] <mac_v_> thorwil: how do you use the vertical resize? is is the high contrast pointer or..?
[11:00] <thorwil> mac_v: i'm not sure what you mean
[11:01] <mac_v_> thorwil: oh , nevermind , i was using a pointer theme which didnt have the resize pointer
[11:06] <mac_v_> thorwil: hmm , but the resize pointer would be a bit confusing to the users , i think it would need a new pointer , something in the likes of the scroll pointer in windows which appears when users scroll using the mouse scroll... well thats something that isnt fixable now , though... :)
[11:23] <darkmatter> just use DMZ-AA. best cursor theme imo. clean. works on light and dark equally well. blus sharper looking than the regular DMZ
[11:59] <coz_> darkmatter, ok   this is a better place to discuss that topic :)
[11:59] <darkmatter> yup
[12:00] <coz_> darkmatter,  I agree... it is definitly unhealthy  and seeing what was done to karmic in terms of graphics  I am very frustrated
[12:02] <darkmatter> coz_: too much lock in. I mean. don't get me wrong. uby has come a long way in general, but it still suffers from the same problems as well
[12:02] <kwwii> coz_: what were you unhappy about in karmic?
[12:03] <coz_> darkmatter,  I think  what needs to change is the approach... a team...prefereably this one...comes up with  three options  for a final decision...and ONLY those three options are available with no one being allowed to change them  then they choose one and go with it
[12:03] <darkmatter> :)
[12:03] <coz_> kwwii,   well   the overall boot sequence is a disaster...the default wallpaper and default themes could be better as well
[12:04] <kwwii> hehe, I agree that the boot sequence went somewhat south but that is mainly due to the code not being ready
[12:04] <kwwii> and considering that we weren't going to change anything in the UI it is at least a bit better and a step in the right direction
[12:04] <coz_> kwwii,  unfortunately...  but my god  a muddy brown image during boot?  lol
[12:05] <kwwii> but I don't think that you will ever see the default look of ubuntu being decided upon by the community any time soon
[12:05] <kwwii> originally, the whole thing was b/w but we had to put a bit of brown into it to smooth the transition
[12:06] <coz_> kwwii,  no but I believe that a conical based art team...going by what has occurred in the last few versions..is a highe mistake
[12:06] <kwwii> but anyway, I can see where you are coming from, so thanks for the explanation
[12:06] <coz_> huge mistake rather
[12:06] <kwwii> coz_: I think that the canonical team needs to communicate things better, which is part of what we are working on
[12:07] <kwwii> last time around we had plans which were shown to the public too late
[12:07] <coz_> kwwii,  I think the cononical team needs some training
[12:07] <kwwii> part of out time next week, before UDS is to get our info together so that we can share it with the community
[12:08] <kwwii> coz_: hehe, no doubt..it is a totally new team with almost everyone coming from outside the OSS world
[12:09] <coz_> kwwii,   we need quality artists  working these things and not allowing "ANY" developer to make a final decision on graphics on any level
[12:09] <thorwil> kwwii: i'm curious: who of the team besides you had prior contact with the OSS world?
[12:09] <kwwii> thorwil: afaik, nobody
[12:09] <coz_> oh my
[12:09] <kwwii> and I have been around for so long that they think i am a bitchy old man
[12:10] <kwwii> :p
[12:10] <thorwil> lol
[12:10] <coz_> kwwii,  cool I like bitchy old men   I am with you  guy lol
[12:10] <darkmatter> kwwii: you are a bitchy old man :P
[12:11] <coz_> darkmatter,  he fits in if so lol
[12:11] <thorwil> kwwii: should get to know Troy. will think you are all cute and cuddly afterwards ;)
[12:11] <darkmatter> hehe
[12:11] <coz_> thorwil, lol  I like troy
[12:11] <kwwii> thorwil: oh, they have met troy
[12:11] <coz_> who buy the way had a wonderful boot sequence mock up apparenlty ignored
[12:12] <thorwil> so do I. but it's a bit of a special experience to talk with him ;)
[12:12] <darkmatter> I haven't talked with Troy in ages... he's moodier than I am xD
[12:12] <kwwii> one day I walked into a meeting room and was asked the question "Do you know who Troy Sobotka is?" with a serious look on everyones face
[12:12] <thorwil> kwwii: anyone got hurt? :)
[12:13] <kwwii> and the first thing I thought was "oh shit, what has he said about me" :p
[12:13] <kwwii> but it turned out quite differently :)
[12:13] <coz_> lol
[12:13] <coz_> kwwii,  why did they ask?
[12:13] <coz_> kwwii,  was it fear ?
[12:14] <coz_> lol
[12:14] <kwwii> he had been in contact per email and expressed some views which kinda scared 'em I think
[12:14] <kwwii> it was quite funny
[12:14] <mac_v> coz_: i have to disagree that the default wallpaper is bad... it is a very cheerful wallpaper
[12:14] <coz_> mac_v,   mmm   are you on medication ? lol
[12:14] <thorwil> mac_v: i think it bites with the gtk theme
[12:15] <coz_> mac_v,  that was a joke
[12:15] <coz_> thorwil,  yes it does
[12:15] <kwwii> if you look at the forum and other places, there has been *very* little negative comments about the karmic artwork
[12:15] <mac_v> coz_: thorwil: i'm not a fan of the theme , but the wallpaper is definately not bad... medicated or not ;p
[12:15] <darkmatter> kwwii: the best thing about Troy is ya usually agree with half of his opinions, even though you may approach voicing them differently ;)
[12:16] <coz_> troy has always been easy to talk with ... I agree with him for the most part  and if not we argue  quite well
[12:16] <kwwii> darkmatter: yeah, it's not that I disagree with what he says, he just has a way of discussing things which is hard to deal with sometimes :D
[12:16]  * mac_v catches full scrollback
[12:17] <coz_> kwwii,  really?  mm he is a bit "wordy"
[12:17] <kwwii> at times I have thoght of suggesting he write a book
[12:17] <darkmatter> kwwii: yeah. I know that personally I try to keep my implications that OSS in inhabited by talentless morons down to one insult/week :P
[12:17] <coz_> troy knows what he is talking about   I dont agree with some of his approaches in an art team environment but otherwise I understand him
[12:18] <coz_> darkmatter,   oh man I have to catch up then I am down to once every two weeks lol
[12:18] <kwwii> if he wasn't at least close to being right, nobody would have kept talking to him :p
[12:18] <darkmatter> coz_: lol
[12:18] <kwwii> he was a great help with the wallpaper selection process
[12:19] <coz_> troy?
[12:19] <kwwii> yeah, the selection of the extra wallpapers which were included in karmic
[12:20] <darkmatter> but his approach isn't all bed, even I've been known to do similar. the ultimate cure for a narcissistic 'expert': imply they're retarded. then they feel obliged to prove they aren't :P
[12:20] <darkmatter> bad*
[12:21] <coz_> kwwii, well at least there are extras included :)
[12:21] <coz_> I would have chosen a different set
[12:21] <kwwii> coz_: I was kinda sad that nobody seemed to notice them yet
[12:21] <kwwii> lol
[12:22] <coz_> kwwii,   well I did :)
[12:22] <coz_> kwwii,   also I believe I am no longer on the "team" roster
[12:22] <coz_> kwwii,   I have tried to no avial
[12:22] <coz_> maybe for the best..but at some point...if I want a slot for saying something ,,I should join again
[12:23] <darkmatter> there's one or two that are 'nice' in my opinion, but I have slightly more evolved tastes than users do ;o
[12:24] <thorwil> evolved is the nice way to express it
[12:24]  * mac_v wonders if coz_ kwwii and darkmatter are kinda scared of troy_s... talking when he isnt around ;p
[12:24] <darkmatter> butterfly and naranja are probably the best in the new set. of those two butterfly is by far the superior
[12:24] <coz_> mac_v,  not in the least afraid
[12:25] <coz_> mac_v,  i would disagree with him  many times  and he  wold never back down but neither would i
[12:25] <mac_v> coz_: j/k ;)
[12:25] <darkmatter> mac_v: I'd talk when he is around, but I sleep during daylight xD
[12:25] <mac_v> lol
[12:25] <coz_> mac_v,   I just had a converstation with him last week for about an hour or so
[12:26] <darkmatter> coz_: I'd chat with him, but he's rarely online at the same time ass me *checks buddy list* see? no troy :P
[12:27] <mac_v> kwwii: what is the actual default wallpaper  ? you mentioned it was a photo... a photo of what?
[12:27] <coz_> darkmatter,  you might be able to catch him onhis blog
[12:27]  * darkmatter is considering reworking his shelf concept :(
[12:28] <Gopikrishnan> phi all
[12:29] <darkmatter> coz_:  mac_v: I need to avoid surfing the net. I keep finding hidden gems that make me wanna cry :/
[12:29] <mac_v> darkmatter: odd choice of the best[ butterfly and naranja] , the butterfly is good , but IMO , not the best for the default wallpaper...
[12:29] <coz_> darkmatter,   oh yes I understand :)
[12:29] <mac_v> darkmatter: hidden gems? i didnt understand :(
[12:30] <darkmatter> mac_v: never said default. I said out of the extras they're the best
[12:30] <mac_v> ah , ok
[12:30] <kwwii> mac_v: it is a photo of a piece of papaer
[12:30] <kwwii> paper
[12:31] <mac_v> hmm , interesting shot ...
[12:31]  * mac_v hides
[12:31] <kwwii> darkmatter: hehe, I took the butterfly pic
[12:31] <kwwii> it's "as-taken", not manipulated
[12:32]  * mac_v now hides from kwwii too about the butterfly
[12:32] <kwwii> I wouldn't use it as my wallpaper but apparently women love it :P
[12:32] <darkmatter> mac_v: remember I was talking about group/object/activity management the other day? I stumbled upon screenies of early internal alphas of the win7 superbar. the way they 'count' items, and collapsible groups, and color coding tasks... is similar to my shelf to some degree (graphically, minus the glasy crap) :/
[12:33] <mac_v> darkmatter: ah... see you should have written about it first... ;)
[12:34] <coz_> ok I guess I can set this channel as defauilt in xchat...again... seems there exists intelligence here after all lol
[12:35] <mac_v> coz_: hmm , do you know about gtk themes and theming?
[12:35] <darkmatter> mac_v: nah. my idea is still totally different, but when I see similar 'art' I get nervous. it's the whole 'zomg! copycat!' mentality even though the actual differences in how it works are substantial.
[12:35] <coz_> mac_v,  to what extent ?
[12:36] <thorwil> darkmatter: i know that feeling
[12:36] <darkmatter> mac_v: it's an art/design thing I'm sure we're all familiar with. you want to remain 'unique'
[12:36] <darkmatter> thorwil: yeah. I think we all know the feeling
[12:37] <mac_v> coz_: i'm trying to get rid of the 1px border for the list boxes > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-The%20Widget%20Factory.png   , i'm not sure what is the exact widget class , or how to prevent them from being displayed... any ideas?
[12:37] <mac_v> darkmatter: yeah , its tough , sometimes the idea wouldnt even be the same but still it would be called a copy :/
[12:38] <coz_> mac_v,  should be in the grkrc  I wo uld have to look at the theme though
[12:38] <coz_> mac_v,   although darkmatter  might be able to say immediately
[12:38] <coz_> I always defer when i am hungry :)
[12:38] <coz_> be back after breakfast guys  :)
[12:39] <mac_v> darkmatter: did you narrow it down? i'm still not able to figure it out :( input boxes just dont like me :(
[12:40] <thorwil> oh boy: http://succeedblog.org/
[12:41] <darkmatter> mac_v: try adding GtkTextView to the list of widgets where I told ya to define with the null, as gtk is dumb like that. some are defined as basic widgets for the frams (using shadows) others textview, etc. I think the list boxes use GtkTextView iirc
[12:44] <darkmatter> thorwil: neat. I like the rubics cube mona lisa
[12:45]  * thorwil has a suspicion that gtk would need to be replaced with something else to have chance of getting all the details right
[12:46] <darkmatter> mac_v: actually, i shouldn't call gtk dumb, I should call the devs coding the guis dumb :P
[12:46] <kwwii> bratsche (cody russell) is working for canonical and has some pretty neat stuff in gtk coming
[12:47] <darkmatter> thorwil: the problem with gtk is there are to many options for how to accomplish various ui bits. it really needs nothing more than a widget cleanup
[12:47] <kwwii> so there are ways to change things, you just need to pay the right people :p
[12:48] <zniavre_> good evening / bonjour
[12:49] <darkmatter> get rid of the hackishness and in doing so force compliance to a coding standard for the ui
[12:57] <darkmatter> kwwii: pay them or lurk behind them and whack them with a blunt instrument when they try to cheat. both methods are equally effective ;)
[13:01] <darkmatter> kwwii: but back to the butterfly wall. it's really a matter of bokeh being more effective for photo backgrounds. 1) they have a greater illusion of depth due to the changes in focus, so windows tend to 'pop' more 2) the same varied focus makes them less detailed and therefor less visually distracting. btw. very well composed image. good job
[13:03] <coz_> so what graphics applications is everyone using?
[13:03] <coz_> which graphics apps rather
[13:04] <darkmatter> coz_: the usual. gimp or inkscape, depending on what needs to be accomplished
[13:04] <coz_> darkmatter,  ok have you tried   mypaint recently?  bitmap based
[13:04] <thorwil> inkscape, gimp, blender. in few cases scribus. recently a bit synfig
[13:05] <coz_> thorwil,   I havent worked much with sinfig
[13:05] <coz_> pencil  is cool for flash
[13:05] <darkmatter> coz_: nope. I've seen it, but haven't used it. I've been thinking of giving skencil a go
[13:05] <coz_> darkmatter,   try Pencil instead
[13:05] <thorwil> recently tried krita and mypaint. i will likely do some more digital drawing using mypaint in future
[13:05] <coz_> darkmatter,  skencil is a bit old
[13:06] <coz_> thorwil,  mypaint is making its way up for sure
[13:06] <coz_> thorwil,  close to competing with Corel Painter
[13:06] <coz_> soon
[13:06] <coz_> inkscape is my first c hoice
[13:07] <coz_> although all I have been doing with inkscape are themes for cairo dock at this point...troy asked that I do a few major pieces with inkscapr  but havent found the time
[13:08] <darkmatter> coz_: inkscape is great, but it has a few wankery things about it
[13:09] <coz_> darkmatter,  for sure but it far exceeds  adobe illustrator and adheres to the svg standard  which illustrator does not with proproetary formats
[13:09] <darkmatter> yup
[13:13] <zniavre_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/PixOffice  > metacity is really nice no?
[13:14] <zniavre_> ho it's the same guy who sent the 5 themes
[13:14] <kwwii> yeah, and it doesn't seem to really be something for lucid
[13:14] <coz_> i am not  liking that at all
[13:15] <mac_v> zniavre_: it looks retro , more like an old xp theme
[13:15] <coz_> selected items are too dark first off
[13:15] <coz_> and grey all over :)
[13:15] <zniavre_> the gtk is bad i still think
[13:15] <zniavre_> mac_v,  taht s true
[13:18] <mac_v> damn you gtk! arghhhhhh....
[13:18] <darkmatter> kwwii: retro ports of windowblinds themes from '98ish that are fugly to say the least. plus they're not gpl (regardless of what the gtk porter may try to publish it as)
[13:19] <kwwii> darkmatter: lol, yeah...I'll try to contact the person and tell them that I am removing them
[13:20] <zniavre_> thank you   :o)
[13:21]  * mac_v wonders if zniavre_ has a round nose ;p
[13:22]  * thorwil wonders if mac_v has no nose, then
[13:22] <zniavre_> haha
[13:22] <mac_v>  nope , thorwil cut it off long back :)
[13:23] <coz_> mac_v,  did you find that entry in  gtkrc?
[13:23] <thorwil> mac_v: that's outrageous! you imply that i have bad memory!!
[13:24] <mac_v> thorwil: yup... ;p
[13:24] <mac_v> coz_: no :(
[13:25] <coz_> mac_v,  can you upload the gtkrc maybe i can find it
[13:26] <darkmatter> kwwii: in fact, iirc treetog wiped his dA gallery because people kept ignoring licenses and ripping his work (treetogs the original author of all those themes proposed for lucid)
[13:27] <kwwii> ouch, then I better remove them quickly
[13:27] <mac_v> coz_: I have to clean it up a bit , right now it has lot of stuff which i just added , , but do that in a bit
[13:27] <mac_v> and upload
[13:27] <coz_> mac_v,  ok no big hurry
[13:35]  * kwwii gets lunch
[13:35] <darkmatter> kwwii: from the gtl-poters gnome-look entries ' I decided to have a go at creating a port for gnome, i have unfortunately been unable to contact Treetog, so if he so wishes at any point i will of course remove the theme'
[13:36] <mac_v> darkmatter: link?
[13:36] <darkmatter> that's a potential license violation (I dun know what license treetog used) at the very least its disrespect for previous work (never port/borrow/or frankenstien without express written permission)
[13:37] <darkmatter> ops.. wrong treetog theme :.. sec
[13:38] <darkmatter> oh lookie. pix office and the others are 'gone' from the *-look sites.. hmmm
[13:40] <darkmatter> there are still themes (cursors etc) from other porters. but all without permissions
[13:41] <darkmatter> write the guy that posted to the wiki and ask him to present written permissions. if he cant scrap the entries I guess *shrug*
[13:42] <kwwii> cool
[13:44] <mac_v> ah well , if you can beat em join em ;) > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/New.png
[13:45] <kwwii> I already deleted the page
[13:45] <kwwii> (s)
[13:46] <mac_v> there are other problems if we try to use the same color of the input boxes , some windows add padding  , so it gets dissociated there too ;)
[13:47] <mac_v> coz_: ^
[13:47] <coz_> mac_v,   you fixed?
[13:47] <coz_> mmm
[13:48] <mac_v> no , i just changed the color of the scroolbars , to match the color of the borders ;p
[13:49] <coz_> oh :)
[13:49] <coz_> mac_v,  I will call that a "fix"  :)
[13:50] <mac_v> lol ;)
[13:54] <coz_> be back in a bit.. I have a few things to compile here
[14:32] <fagan> I need an artist for a little project
[14:33] <fagan> I need an icon and a logo for a project that im going to show off at the UDS https://launchpad.net/parental-control/
[14:37] <fagan> Im asking here because I like the stick men on your wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork and id like if one of you changed one of them to make an icon out of it
[14:39] <thorwil> fagan: https://launchpad.net/~baerjj-gmail is responsible for the stick men
[14:40] <fagan> Cool ill send on an email
[14:40]  * thorwil goes fore a walk
[14:56] <southwind> i wish to contribute my skill to the art works of ubuntu but i dont know how
[14:56] <southwind> can any one help me
[15:19] <mac_v> southwind: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[15:20] <mac_v> southwind: also , do join the artwork mailing list and introduce yourself
[15:21] <southwind> k
[15:21] <southwind> :)
[15:21] <southwind> link to mail list
[15:22] <mac_v> southwind: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art , also other info are in the wiki page i gave you above
[15:22] <southwind> thank u
[15:53] <mac_v> kwwii: how do i get a new icon added to the notify-osd pack? i'm thinking of getting a patch in ubufox so that the download complete notification uses the notify-osd ...  But there isnt any icon for "action completed" , i'v been using an icon for that in the same style as the notify-osd icons...
[15:53] <mac_v> into ubufox*
[15:54] <shane_fagan> mac_v: id say you should ask one of the Dx team
[15:56] <mac_v> shane_fagan: it was discussed in ayatana , but the deadline for karmic has crossed so , it didnt happen...
[15:57] <shane_fagan> mac_v: I sub ayatana so I know and I alpha tested ubuntu too so I saw it when it came in
[15:57] <shane_fagan> The firefox notifications I mean
[15:58] <mac_v> shane_fagan: you mean the notifications are already using notify-osd?
[15:58] <shane_fagan> They did for about a day in karmic alpha 6
[15:58] <shane_fagan> then beta came out and it was removed
[15:58] <shane_fagan> the icon was weird if I remember
[15:59] <mac_v> strange ... i'v been using karmic since alpha 2 and i didnt notice this... but anyway , maybe i was using the notify-osd already  , so i dint know ;)
[15:59] <shane_fagan> :)
[16:00] <shane_fagan> mac_v: are you going to the UDS?
[16:00] <mac_v> shane_fagan: nope... cant make it
[16:00] <shane_fagan> Well there will be more than likely some talk of firefox notifications
[16:00] <shane_fagan> ill mention it
[16:01] <mac_v> shane_fagan: yeah  , thats why i was mentioning it to kwwii now itself ;)
[16:01] <shane_fagan> ah yeah
[16:01] <mac_v> shane_fagan: good , now more folks to bring up the topic :)
[16:02] <shane_fagan> Well notification consistency is a must
[16:05] <mac_v> shane_fagan: hmm , you are involved a bit with the gnome-shell right?
[16:05] <shane_fagan> mac_v: yep
[16:05] <mac_v> shane_fagan: so what happens to compiz when -shell lands?
[16:05] <shane_fagan> its getting dropped
[16:05] <shane_fagan> for mutter
[16:06] <mac_v> shane_fagan: oh... so with mutter we'd have all the same magic?
[16:06] <shane_fagan> its a mix between metacity and clutter
[16:06] <mac_v> nearly , i mean
[16:06] <shane_fagan> you can try it out if you build shell
[16:07] <shane_fagan> no wobbly windows but there are some cool other stuff
[16:07] <mac_v> shane_fagan: yeah , i did try it out , but my ATI drivers such... so didnt work out too well :(
[16:07] <shane_fagan> ah
[16:08] <shane_fagan> that would be a problem it is a little heavy at the moment
[16:08] <mac_v> shane_fagan: no wobbly windows? aw... that was something that seemed to make the system feel more natural
[16:09] <shane_fagan> mac_v: well thats just with all the builds that I have seen maybe someone can add the wobblyness to the windows :)
[16:10]  * mac_v hopes so too ;)
[16:10] <shane_fagan> mac_v: Im making a parental control for the UDS too
[16:11] <mac_v> without wobbly when i use windows OS  , the windows feel so rigid and weird
[16:11] <shane_fagan> true
[16:11] <mac_v> shane_fagan: parental control for UDS? or for the OS?
[16:12] <shane_fagan> mac_v: well its for the OS and ill have it made for the UDS
[16:12] <shane_fagan> :D
[16:12] <mac_v> ah , /me a bit slow ;p
[16:12] <mac_v> shane_fagan:  that sounds great , i dont think there is or was one already ?
[16:13] <shane_fagan> mac_v: thats why I made it
[16:13] <mac_v> lol ;)
[16:23] <mac_v> lmao! , ubuntu-devel got a spam, i suppose, mentioning it won macbook ;p
[16:37] <alefteris> hi all, are there any source files for the xsplash/gdk background image? I would like to use it for for produsing some images for our loco website. thanks
[16:38] <mac_v> alefteris: you want the brown background or the code for the xsplahs too ?
[16:38] <mac_v> wallpaper*
[16:38] <alefteris> just the background image/wallpaper, all I could find is a jpg image
[16:39] <mac_v> alefteris: ah , right the system has only jpg... mat_t_ is the person you need to contact regarding this
[16:40] <alefteris> ok thanks, hopefully he will see the ping from here :)
[16:41] <kwwii> mac_v: send any suggestions to me, with and explanation and how it will work code-wise
[16:42] <kwwii> sorry, just got back from the store
[16:42] <mac_v> kwwii: ok .cool , i'll mail it to you....
[16:47] <kwwii> thnx
[19:02] <zniavre_> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/desktop+background+as+xsplash+%2B+gdm?content=114984
[21:20] <coz_> troy_s,  hey guy
[21:21] <troy_s> coz_: Greetings coz_.
[21:21] <coz_> troy_s,  good to see you here
[21:21] <troy_s> coz_: I don't really know why, but thanks. :)
[21:22] <coz_> troy_s,   well conversations with you are always interesting
[21:24] <coz_> of course silence is always nice too lol
[21:25] <troy_s> coz_: Sorry... just checking the installation of my quad core.
[21:25] <troy_s> coz_: I am making sure I got the thermal paste applied properly.
[21:25] <troy_s> coz_: Don't want it to melt down with all the cores firing in Blender.
[21:25] <coz_> troy_s,  use a credit card to smooth it evenly or a matchbook cover
[21:26] <coz_> troy_s,  a think even layer is far more effective than gobs
[21:26] <coz_> :)
[21:26] <troy_s> coz_: I used to think that.  LOL.  Changed my mind.  The vendor actually suggests rolls of it along the heat pipes. Believe it or not, applying it that way gets a 1.5 degree lower temperature.
[21:27] <coz_> troy_s,  that's interesting.... I think I would probably not do that but then I will have to wait for the quad core to arrive :)
[21:28] <troy_s> coz_: There is a writeup on it somewhere. A review was given using the 'smooth even' and then the vendor contacted the reviewer and said that the application was incorrect.
[21:28] <coz_> troy_s,  cool   ... will check it out if I get quad core
[21:31] <coz_> troy_s,  are you building a system or just replacing cpu ?
[21:31] <troy_s> coz_: Changed the CPU.
[21:31] <coz_> troy_s,  what did you have before?
[21:32] <troy_s> coz_: Dual core 3000+ class.
[21:32] <coz_> troy_s,   ooo  so t his will boost everything for you
[21:33] <troy_s> coz_: Yes. More importantly 45nm class.
[21:34] <coz_> well I have company here so I am going to break for a bit....   troy_s   hope to talk with you later :)
[22:14] <kwwii> hey troy_s, nice to see you around :)
[22:14] <kwwii> how's things?
[22:15] <kwwii> thanks for the sorts mill goudy, btw...I am still using it on my desktop and as window title font
[22:19] <troy_s> kwwii: Sorry... missed the page.
[22:19] <troy_s> kwwii: I don't know about how it works on the desktop, but it is a beautiful face really.
[22:19] <troy_s> kwwii: How are things in the salt mine?
[22:20] <troy_s> kwwii: bathroom brb
[22:24] <troy_s> kwwii: Back.
[22:27] <troy_s> kwwii: Getting ready for UDS I'd assume.
[22:27] <kwwii> hehe, yeah, we have a design sprint the week before, so I am leaving on sunday
[22:28] <kwwii> on the kde desktop it is really interesting
[22:28] <kwwii> it is only in the one window on the actual desktop
[22:28] <kwwii> which has neat browsing functionality, so it makes it really nice
[22:36] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/kde-desktop-browse.png
[22:38] <kwwii> not bad considering that the it is done per extended mouse over and not clicking
[22:38] <troy_s> kwwii: Darnit... missed the text again. Catching up...
[22:38] <kwwii> feels very smooth and moving to the scrollbar is not a problem at all, nicely done
[22:39] <troy_s> kwwii: Hrm.
[22:39] <troy_s> kwwii: Not really getting it. lol.
[22:39] <troy_s> kwwii: Not smart here, so that doesn't help.
[22:40] <kwwii> yeah, kinda hard to explain the feeling ;)
[22:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Anything interesting perkulating in the saltmine?
[22:43] <kwwii> troy_s: definitely, just can't talk about it yet...among others, the design team is meeting with the dx team next week
[22:44] <troy_s> kwwii: I see the whole Ubuntu franchise is still having fundamental issues grasping a palette eh?
[22:44] <troy_s> lol
[22:45] <troy_s> kwwii: Status quo?
[22:46] <kwwii> well, until now the design team has been busy taking over everything :p
[22:46] <kwwii> we did all the CD packaging, t-shirts, stickers, presentation templates, and much, much more
[22:47] <kwwii> everything is done in-house now on our team
[22:47] <troy_s> kwwii: Who did the CD cover this time around?
[22:47] <kwwii> include the mobile stuff...the open source stuff as well as the stuff for our partners like Dell, etc
[22:48] <troy_s> kwwii: I'd think that the step away from the... unfortunate 'happy people looking at camera' can only be better in some people's minds. :)
[22:48] <kwwii> afaik it was mainly the work of Markus Haslam, our new branding guy...he did a lot of work on a new logo (but I doubt that will see the light of day anytime soon). Among other amazing projects, he did the Oyster logo for the london underground
[22:48] <troy_s> kwwii: Redoing the logo?
[22:49] <kwwii> he worked with a photographer...bought a lot of hand-made paper and brought different "filters" and ideas of bending the paper while projecting light onto it
[22:49] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, but again, that won't be happening anytime soon
[22:49] <kwwii> it was his original contract at the company
[22:50] <kwwii> now he is an employee
[22:50] <troy_s> kwwii: Yes I spotted the texture on the wallpaper - is that the byproduct?
[22:50] <kwwii> yepp
[22:50] <troy_s> kwwii: The composition is still myopic as all hell but alas... baby steps I guess.
[22:50] <kwwii> check the server CDs and the new website stuff
[22:50] <kwwii> it is all over
[22:50] <troy_s> kwwii: Link?
[22:50] <kwwii> yeah, it is a good start I think
[22:51] <troy_s> kwwii: I just don't get the unfortunate symmetry.  It just looks ridiculous.
[22:51] <kwwii> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud
[22:51] <troy_s> kwwii: I'm sure that was from ... uh ... on high.
[22:51] <kwwii> seems they didn't use the best of it :p
[22:51] <troy_s> kwwii: lol.
[22:51] <kwwii> the server CD cover is slick
[22:51] <troy_s> kwwii: Link?
[22:52] <kwwii> it has that wall panel from the link above, but used as a filter for white light onto paper
[22:52] <kwwii> very nive
[22:52] <kwwii> nice
[22:53] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=server_cd_910.pdf
[22:53] <troy_s> kwwii: What is with that 9.10?
[22:53] <troy_s> kwwii: Lol.
[22:54] <kwwii> erm, wrong link
[22:54] <troy_s> kwwii: That is still some nasty typesetting I'd add too, but alas, just the opinion of some uninformed schmuck.
[22:55] <kwwii> oh wow, they went with something different from what I last saw
[22:55] <kwwii> that is sad
[22:55] <troy_s> kwwii: I'd also add that if I weren't such a dork
[22:55] <kwwii> trust me, it wasn't the guy who designed it's fault ;)
[22:55] <troy_s> kwwii: Tell me that I'm not looking at the chromatic aberration on the 9.10?
[22:55] <troy_s> kwwii: Yeah I know I know I know I know
[22:55] <kwwii> the wallet is a bit better but not much
[22:56] <troy_s> kwwii: It is the big issue with our culture - the roots of the dysfunction are systemic.
[22:56] <kwwii> I could have taken better pics than that
[22:56] <troy_s> kwwii: Much like why I often cite the Google StopDesign blog posting.
[22:57] <troy_s> kwwii: I _really_ hate to say it, but it just feels like more of the same but different.  We can all only speculate why however. ;)
[22:57] <troy_s> kwwii: Is that chromatic aberration?  It must be eh? As in they actually photographed that 9.10 on the texture and the diopter fell apart.
[22:57] <troy_s> kwwii: Looks like mooky photography methinks.
[22:57] <kwwii> I think they played with photoshop too much and blew the curves
[22:58] <troy_s> kwwii: (and yes, might be way way way off base on that.)
[22:58] <troy_s> kwwii: Look at the white on the 9.10
[22:58] <troy_s> kwwii: It's toward the edge of the frame probably and if I didn't know better, I'd bet that is a diopter shot.  Bleeds ratpiss yellowy green on the lefts and bluey on the right.
[22:59] <kwwii> either they made it green with photoshop just to include *something* different or that is pure chroma noise...I bet from that alone you could figure out which camera was used
[23:01] <kwwii> oh well, time for sleep
[23:01] <troy_s> kwwii: Probably not camera, but I'd bet on diopter.
[23:01] <troy_s> kwwii: Night.
[23:01] <kwwii> yeah
[23:07] <troy_s> Greetings coz_
[23:07] <coz_> troy_s,  hey guy
[23:07] <troy_s> ckontros: You can't possibly just be lurking...
[23:07] <coz_> troy_s,  system up and running
[23:08] <coz_> ?
[23:08] <troy_s> coz_: Yes... seems to be stable since I popped in here.
[23:08] <coz_> cool
[23:11] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy
[23:11] <darkmatter> heya coz_
[23:53] <darkmatter> coz_: read this... it's mind boggling http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49304156,00.htm
[23:54] <coz_> yikes :)
[23:58] <darkmatter> lol 'why are women' googles top two suggestions 'crazy' and 'stupid' lol


[10:05] <theShirbiny> Morning everyone :)
[10:11] <elacheche> Mornign theShirbiny :)
[10:32] <theShirbiny> elacheche, \o/
[10:41] <elacheche> wassup!
[11:09] <theShirbiny> playing with jenkins
[11:10] <theShirbiny> I hote jenkins. I love jenkins.
[11:10] <theShirbiny> hate*
[11:16] <elacheche> lool.. I'm playing with it as well.. I like ansible more, but others like it, so I'm adding my playbooks as jobs to jenkins so others can use jenkins
[11:21] <theShirbiny> I'm using ansible too!
[11:21] <theShirbiny> git -> jenkins -> ansible
[11:25] <elacheche> I have a job to build from svn using jenkins and I'll create an other to trigger the 1st one then deploy (grail build then deploy to tomcat)..
[11:33] <theShirbiny> you're not using webhooks?
[12:16] <elacheche> The team won't use a very automated process.. They like to deploy things on demond.. That's an other point that makes me hating Java.. You each time you wanna deploy sothing you need to create a war and deploy the whole thing again..