[12:15] <Lure> Tonio_: no pb
[12:15] <instructor> kwwii: http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/burn_baby.png  http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/burn_baby1.png http://forum.beryl-project.org/attachment.php?item=2682
[12:15] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, do you already have tickets for UDS?
[12:16] <nixternal> what is the purpose of the burn?
[12:17] <instructor> nixternal: close an application and it burns up
[12:17] <nixternal> ahh ok, so in otherwords, absolutely useless, just eye candy
[12:18] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, it is an electronic ticket, so I just have to give the number at the airport
[12:18] <nixternal> functionality + usability + beautifulability == Kubuntu
[12:18] <instructor> nixternal: though you can have it occur on open close minimize etc
[12:18] <Lure> Tonio_: when are you arriving? Sat?
[12:18] <Tonio_> yep
[12:19] <Tonio_> dunno how to go from the airport to the hotel
[12:19] <Tonio_> Lure: when are you arriving ?
[12:19] <kwwii> nixternal: hope you like it - you have to live with it for 6 months!
[12:19] <Lure> Sat, from Orlando
[12:19] <Tonio_> what time ?
[12:20] <Lure> Tonio_: 1102 - and a friend of mine will have a rental car
[12:21] <Lure> Tonio_: otherwise there is shuttle service from SFO
[12:21] <Tonio_> Lure: ah cool
[12:21] <instructor> kwwii: not if he's feisty enough :)
[12:21] <instructor> Fiesty :-(
[12:21] <Tonio_> Lure: I arrive at 16:43
[12:21] <kwwii> hehe
[12:22] <kwwii> I thought about getting a rental car
[12:22] <kwwii> I arrive around the same time
[12:22] <kwwii> then again, my brother lives in the area....
[12:24] <Tonio_> Lure:
[12:24] <Tonio_> ../../src/k3bapplication.cpp:291: error: no matching function for call to 'K3bDevice::DeviceManager::deviceByName(KURL)'
[12:24] <Tonio_> ../../src/../libk3bdevice/k3bdevicemanager.h:77: note: candidates are: K3bDevice::Device* K3bDevice::DeviceManager::deviceByName(const QString&)
[12:24] <Tonio_> not for this time hehe :)
[12:25] <fdoving> nite lure.
[12:25] <Lure> Tonio_: just convert KURL to QString (this is just nice excercise for c++ beginner) ;-)
[12:26] <Lure> Tonio_: hint: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.4-api/kdecore/html/classKURL.html
[12:26] <Lure> ;-)
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: will do, go to bed now ! :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> you did enough
[12:28] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:32] <fdoving> gnite.
[12:54] <Tonio_> Lure: fyi (even if you sleep) that works :)
[12:55] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks for the help, I'll finish the kde integration now
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed that kds ftbfs from bzr....
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: make[2] : *** No rule to make target `throbber_back_16.png.c.o', needed by `usplash-theme-kubuntu.so'.  Stop.
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that related to your last change ?
[01:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: it build on upload, check if there'a a diff between the archive and bzr, I might have forgotten to commit something
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay let me check
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, thanks to the help of lure, k3b integration is over, and works :)
[01:43] <Riddell> integration for cd ripping?
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, for cd ripping
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to work taking your package and applying my yesterday changes....... I'm commiting this
[01:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: commit where?
[01:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: heh, to bzr :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> I'm not going to upload, don't mind :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> I don't wanna lose my upload rights hehe :)
[01:58] <Riddell> k3b is in bzr?
[02:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, kds in bzr ;)
[02:02] <Tonio_> k3b will go to my repo, nothing else lol
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell:
[02:02] <Tonio_> -------------- This line and the following will be ignored --------------
[02:02] <Tonio_> unknown:
[02:02] <Tonio_>   usplash/throbber_back_16.png
[02:02] <Tonio_>   usplash/throbber_fore_16.png
[02:02] <Tonio_>   usplash/usplash_640_400.png
[02:02] <Tonio_> bzr doesn't want to commit png changes..........
[02:02] <Tonio_> the png files in the package and in bzr are different
[02:02] <Tonio_> but impossible to update
[02:06] <Tonio_> or maybe they simply are not there.......; I'm checking
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay the three png files are not on bzr, that's why the build fails.......; I just would like to know why I can't commit them......
[02:12] <nixternal> bzr commit
[02:12] <nixternal> bzr push <- the real commit
[02:12] <nixternal> i went a week committing with bzr and nothing showing up ;)
[02:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: what does it changes ?
[02:14] <nixternal> bzr commit commits the changes, but doesn't send them to the server
[02:14] <Tonio_> hu ?
[02:14] <nixternal> bzr push is what send the commit tot he server
[02:15] <nixternal> bzr push sftp://branch_location
[02:15] <Tonio_> nixternal: bah 'ive bzr commit yesterday and the changes are in
[02:15] <nixternal> is it giving you an error?
[02:15] <Tonio_> yesterday no
[02:16] <Tonio_> today yes, becauce there is something going wrong with those png files
[02:16] <nixternal> hmmm
[02:16] <Tonio_> nixternal: to make it simple
[02:16] <Tonio_> I bzr sftp://.........
[02:17] <Tonio_> I had 3 png files in usplash
[02:17] <Tonio_> bzr commit
[02:17] <Tonio_> -> nothing to commit
[02:17] <Tonio_> this is the response
[02:28] <nixternal> sorry Tonio_..phone call
[02:28] <nixternal> did you
[02:28] <nixternal> bzr add the png files
[02:29] <nixternal> since they are new
[02:33] <Tonio_> bzr nope I didn't, I may try indeed
[02:34] <Tonio_> nixternal: but bzr commit is supposed to handle new files.......; I'll try anyway
[02:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: looks like it worked...
[02:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: ah okay I didn't knew we had to bzr add the files before commit.......
[02:37] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'm a total nocive with bzr.... okay it worked this time, thanks :)
[02:46] <Tonio_> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/597
[02:46] <Tonio_> hehe, this is exactly where I live
[02:46] <Tonio_> I choosed the good place, just sad that I'm not a student anymore....
[03:08] <nixternal> ya Tonio_, i am a novice as well with bzr, i just realized i need to checkout and not branch
[03:09] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> nixternal: pfiou..... good day for packaging....; I'm adding kdebase, kdelibs, kdeaddons, kdeutils, k3b, amarok kubuntu-default-settings packages to my repo ;)
[03:10] <Tonio_> ready for feisty
[03:10] <nixternal> woohoo
[03:11] <Tonio_> +kmplayer
[03:11] <Tonio_> hehe, that spec will be done quickly
[03:15] <nixternal> dinner time...bbiaf ;)
[03:16] <Tonio_> nixternal: bye (beds)
[03:16] <nixternal> g'nite
[03:21] <ryanakca> nobody knows the answer in #ubuntu+1, so, Why can't I play *.mp3 in amarok anymore? (Yes, I have libxine-extracodecs and libmad installed)
[03:21] <crimsun> only in amarok?
[03:22] <ryanakca> yes
[03:22] <crimsun> what's the console spew?
[03:22] <Mez> ryanakca, what engine are you using for amarok ?
[03:23] <ryanakca> and someone else had the same problem earlier in #ubuntu+1 ... about 4 hours ago...
[03:23] <ryanakca> xine
[03:24] <ryanakca> This started last night... I upgraded and rebooted... forget if amarok or xine or something else related was upgraded...
[03:44] <ryanakca> crimsun: hmm... it seems to work and then not work and then work again...
[03:45] <ryanakca> crimsun: no console output... I'll let you know how if it starts again...
[03:45] <Mez> ryanakca, when I first installed edgy, amarok wouldnt play OGGs
[03:45] <ryanakca> wierd...
[05:15] <Hobbsee> hmm.  kmenu artwork changed
[05:16] <Jucato> do we have a spec page for the generic kernel?
[05:17] <nixternal> generic kernel doesn't work for me
[05:17] <Jucato> I don't have it! :)
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Ouchie!!!!
[05:18] <nixternal> that was crazy Hawkwind, that stick has a built in GPS unit running Kubuntu...
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Full or not, that thing hurt
[05:18] <Hawkwind> nixternal: Hah.  Notice I don't have possession of it now :P
[05:18] <Hawkwind> So I feel sorry for that guy over there ~~~~>
[05:18] <nixternal> obviously you haven't seen the "sticks" in harry potter
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Ickkkkkkkkkkk @ Fairy Potter
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Thankfully my kids don't even like Harry.  Unfortunately Liz does though :(
[05:19] <Hawkwind> I saw the first one, not my type of movie at all
[05:19] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:20] <Jucato> 2 vs 1. you lose Hawkwind  :P
[05:21] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Story of my life every Monday and Wednesday when I look at the lotto numbers :P
[05:21] <Jucato> well, add Saturday to your list :P
[05:22] <Hawkwind> I would, but it's only Friday.  Sheeesh, you livin` in the future or what :-)
[05:22] <Jucato> lol oh yeah...
[05:22] <Jucato> well then add Friday :P
[05:22] <Jucato> Hobbsee is living waaaay in the future
[05:22] <Hobbsee> indeed
[05:22] <Hobbsee> living in the future is fun!
[05:23] <Jucato> I don't think you can get any more "future-y" than that
[05:23] <Hobbsee> hand it over.
[05:26] <freeflying> Hobbsee: who take care on amarok now?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> thankyou
[05:26] <Hobbsee> freeflying: imbrandon
[05:26] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:26] <freeflying> imbrandon: ping
[05:28] <imbrandon> pong
[05:28] <imbrandon> freeflying ?
[05:29] <freeflying> imbrandon: would u like set the defalut font of amarok to sans serif or sans
[05:30] <imbrandon> i beleave Riddell reciently set that system wide, why ?
[05:30] <imbrandon> erm why would we chnage the default font is what i'm asking
[05:30] <freeflying> imbrandon: it can't display chinese character defaultly
[05:31] <imbrandon> right but shouldent it use what kde sets as the system default
[05:31] <imbrandon> ( that Riddell just fixed a few days back )
[05:31] <nixternal> imbrandon: if and when you get a chance, look over bug 67200, psn made some fixes for this bug and it is in the konvi svn
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67200 in konversation "[Edgy]  v1.0.1 Excess Flood due to /WHO on connect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67200
[05:31] <imbrandon> nixternal, ok
[05:32] <imbrandon> nixternal, what svn revision is it , you know ?
[05:32] <nixternal> i created a patch messing around earlier if you want to take a look, and im running it here after the build..works great
[05:32] <nixternal> no i don't
[05:32] <nixternal> i remove extra*/konversation already ;(
[05:32] <imbrandon> sure , email it to me if you will , and it would help to know the svn revision you pulled it from for the changelog
[05:33] <nixternal> shoot..let me see if i can get it
[05:33] <nixternal> i only grabbed the channel.cpp and inputfilters.cpp from the src dir that psn redid todoay to close the upstream bug
[05:34] <nixternal> 597567
[05:34] <nixternal> remember that ;)
[05:34] <imbrandon> thats the svn revision ?
[05:36] <nixternal> on its way
[05:36] <nixternal> yes
[05:36] <imbrandon> k
[05:36] <nixternal> i sent you the debdiff as well as the debian/patches/kubuntu_01_autowho.diff as well
[05:37] <imbrandon> k
[05:37] <nixternal> i wouldn't have noticed this bug if it wasn't for my bip server dying ;)
[05:38] <imbrandon> yea mines dies a few times , i thought it was a bip bug
[05:38] <imbrandon> s/dies/died
[05:38] <nixternal> the excess flood?
[05:38] <imbrandon> yea
[05:38] <imbrandon> on connect of a new client
[05:38] <nixternal> ya, it is because the mass /WHO on all the channels with a ton of people
[05:38] <imbrandon> yup
[05:38] <nixternal> now the way psn did it is nice
[05:39] <imbrandon> thus i took all my high traffic channels of autojoin
[05:39] <imbrandon> lol
[05:39] <nixternal> when you connect, it waits for the first 90 seconds...but if someone talks int he chan, then it will autowho them and grab their info
[05:39] <nixternal> i was joining w/o the /WHO...that is horrid, because i like knowing who some people are and where they are from when i am chattin' with them
[05:40] <imbrandon> why dident psn upload it ( or get an OK ) ?
[05:40] <nixternal> upload it to our repo?
[05:40] <imbrandon> ahh psn is upstream, i forgot
[05:40] <nixternal> ya..hehe
[05:40] <nixternal> he rocked that out for me quick to
[05:40] <nixternal> hehe
[05:41] <imbrandon> well if you join it will still /who after 90 seconds ?
[05:41] <imbrandon> that sucks
[05:41] <nixternal> but it is incremental, so it won't kill you
[05:41] <nixternal> the first 77 seconds on irc with konvi is useless anyways
[05:41] <nixternal> as it is synching everything
[05:41] <imbrandon> not if you join 20 channels at the same time, it will just wait 90 seconds and then /who them all
[05:42] <nixternal> well, i have 31 channels
[05:42] <nixternal> and i didn't even notice it occur
[05:42] <imbrandon> why the hell does it /who anyhow before someone speaks or you right click and /who them
[05:42] <nixternal> i was telling psn, that his fix didn't work, and then i dragged the mouse over to the nicklist and everything was working
[05:43] <nixternal> the /who picks up everyones status..w/o it, when you hover above a user, it shows a blank tooltip
[05:43] <nixternal> and you don't know is away or here
[05:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:51] <imbrandon> freeflying, does amarok not use the default kde font ?
[05:55] <freeflying> imbrandon: I'd confirm :)
[08:45] <Tonio_> hi all
[08:46] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_ :)
[08:46] <Tonio_> grmpf this konqueror bug drives me nuts.....;
[08:46] <Hobbsee> which bug?
[08:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you notice that sometimes konqueror fails to load the kds settings ?
[08:47] <Tonio_> especially with preloaded sessions
[08:47] <Tonio_> it has been reported a while ago
[08:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cant say i've been watching too closely.  i tend not to use konq
[08:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah, but I'm sure you heard about the bugs the sometimes, the menus are not complete didn't you ?
[08:48] <Tonio_> I'm affraid I'll have to hardcode the settings via a patch to get that fixed...... but I really don't want to...
[08:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what are you using ? krusader ?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: konq for file browsing, firefox for web browsing
[08:49] <Hobbsee> actually, i've been meaning to look at krusader
[08:49] <Hobbsee> apparently it's really good
[08:49] <Tonio_> said to be yes
[09:16] <Lure> hi Tonio_ - so it worked?
[09:17] <Tonio_> Lure: yep
[09:17] <Tonio_> perfectly
[09:18] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks for the help :)
[09:18] <Tonio_> Lure: fancy testing ?
[09:18] <Lure> Tonio_: it probably makes sense to suggest sending it upstream
[09:18] <Tonio_> Lure: impossible
[09:18] <Lure> Tonio_: no time for testing - working Saturday for me :-(
[09:18] <Tonio_> Lure: in fact the servicemenu I did for integration is to be compatible with _Sime's patches
[09:19] <Tonio_> Lure: the --device patch can be send upstream, but no way to merge the service menu
[09:19] <Lure> Tonio_: not everything, just -device option - this would make sense in general
[09:19] <Tonio_> yes, probably
[09:19] <Tonio_> I'll email the patch and we'll see
[09:22] <nixternal> there they go
[09:22] <nixternal> goodbye
[09:23] <freet15> why?
[09:23] <nixternal> netsplit
[09:23] <nixternal> or death to server
[09:23] <freet15>  :)
[09:25] <freet15> we are so lucky~
[09:25] <nixternal> i would say they are having issues, as i have 1s lag
[09:26] <nixternal> wb Lure, Tonio_, freeflying, abattoir...ok, im not goign down that list
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal
[09:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, again.
[09:27] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee! ;)
[09:27] <Lure> nixternal: hi
[09:27] <freeflying> nixternal: hey
[09:27] <nixternal> well hello there mr. freeflying
[10:07] <Lure> Riddell, sebas: can we target bug 67081 and bug 64752 as release critical and do a simple workaround by reducing CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD?
[10:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67081 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager thinks battery is low way too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67081
[10:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64752 in kde-guidance "Forced hibernate is too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64752
[10:12] <abattoir> hi everyone :)
[10:12] <abattoir> nixternal: great work on the RC page, as usual ;)
[10:13] <nixternal> why tink u
[10:21] <fdoving> Lure: my guidance-power-manager dies when i click the systray icon. It used to work, i think this is a new feature in 0.7.0.
[10:24] <Lure> fdoving: which platform? Can you start it from Konsole and report output (and please open bug for it)
[10:24] <Lure> yes, nixternal really rocks - who cares if good things are done if we are not able to get our message through
[10:25] <fdoving> Lure: opening a bug as we speak, this is powerpc, no smart console output, only bug 64406 output, and kcrash.
[10:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64406 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager: dcop problem message when starting in a terminal" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64406
[10:26] <Lure> fdoving: are you able to get backtrace from kcrash?
[10:26] <nixternal> thanks Lure, glad i can help out anyway possible
[10:26] <nixternal> for instance, im going to go and keep my bed company now
[10:26] <fdoving> Lure: no, it doesn't give any usefull info.
[10:27] <nixternal> g'nite all, and to all a g'day, g'nite, see ya in a few!
[10:27] <fdoving> nite nixternal.
[10:27] <Lure> fdoving: hard to debug, since I do not have ppc HW... :-( maybe imbrandon or Riddell can confirm/debug
[10:29] <Lure> Riddell: why have we changed Deja Vu -> Sans Serif?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: because the chinese fonts werent getting rendered correctly
[10:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks, will change my profile then...
[10:32] <fdoving> Lure: bug 67316 if you're interessted.
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67316 in kde-guidance "[EDGY]  guidance-powermanager crash on powerpc." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67316
[10:35] <fdoving> Lure: nevermind, it's a problem with kde-guidance-powermanager and the serenity style/deco. it's not important for edgy.
[10:35] <fdoving> changed the styles and deco now, and it works.
[10:35] <Lure> fdoving: I was just wondering what tris serenity is...
[10:35] <Lure> fdoving: good to know
[10:39] <fdoving> Lure: thanks for your time. :)
[10:40] <Lure> fdoving: nopb
[12:01] <Hobbsee> i need an interesting picture
[12:02] <seaLne> does anyone else using the new ktorrent have times left completly wrong?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> http://zebrafinch.com/SocietyFinch/untitled%20folder/Fawn%20self.GIF might do
[12:04] <seaLne> Hobbsee: so what are you going to use the "interesting picture" for?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> seaLne: have you been in -bugs?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> this was in a /query
[12:04] <Hobbsee> [Sat Oct 21 2006]  [19:58:31]  <cypher1_> do you have pic of you ? :)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> [Sat Oct 21 2006]  [19:59:14]  <Hobbsee> hidden safely away.
[12:04] <Hobbsee> [Sat Oct 21 2006]  [20:00:27]  <cypher1_> do u have a pic of you ?
[12:05] <seaLne> only idling
[12:05] <Hobbsee> seaLne: he's switched to /msg after trying to chat me up in bugs
[12:05] <seaLne> ah :)
[12:05] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ahh - it's the last lot of stuff that was said
[12:06] <seaLne> the stuff there looked fairly normal
[12:09] <Hobbsee> oddly enough, the guy hasnt replied back :P
[12:11] <seaLne> heh
[12:13] <seaLne> is  Bug #56168 worth bothering to try to fix for edgy? i don't think so
[12:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56168 in kdemultimedia "k3b should *not* calculate md5 sum of images by default" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56168
[12:13] <seaLne> i think that can survive fine till k3b 1 in feisty
[12:14] <Hobbsee> nah...
[12:14] <Hobbsee> well, it probably wouldnt get accepte
[12:14] <Hobbsee> d
[12:14] <seaLne> yeah, i wouldn't accept it :)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> seaLne: there's various unmet deps stuff still, if you wanted to fix them.
[12:15] <Hobbsee> there's a link in -motu
[12:17] <seaLne> i need to get other stuff done in the next few hours but i should have time tonight to look at stuff so i'll ask for suggestions then :)
[12:19] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:28] <seaLne> Bug #67326
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67326 in ktorrent "ktorrent 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 gets time left wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67326
[12:33] <freeflying> have you try to paste an 800-page article to kword?
[12:44] <Lure> seaLne: 56168 is not a bug - you can click Start and will continue
[12:52] <seaLne> Lure: yeah i know, but it seems to annoy some people
[02:07] <Ingmar^> how do i find out what package the file /usr/lib/libGL.so belongs to ?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Ingmar^: packages.ubuntu.com - type in libGL.so in the files box
[02:07] <Riddell> Ingmar^: dpkg -S file
[02:07] <Hobbsee> that too
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[02:07] <Riddell> afternoon Hobbsee
[02:08] <Ingmar^> thanks Riddell & Hobbsee
[02:26] <Lure> hi Riddell
[02:26] <Lure> [10:07]  <Lure> Riddell, sebas: can we target bug 67081 and bug 64752 as releas[10:07]  <Lure> Riddell, sebas: can we target bug 67081 and bug 64752 as release critical and do a simple workaround by reducing CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD?e critical and do a simple workaround by reducing CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD?
[02:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67081 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager thinks battery is low way too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67081
[02:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64752 in kde-guidance "Forced hibernate is too early" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64752
[02:26] <Lure> (sorry, double paste)
[02:28] <Riddell> Lure: CHARGE_LEVEL_THRESHOLD is in guidance-power-manager or hal?
[02:28] <Lure> Riddell: guidance - sebas implemented this for one user, but it set it pretty high...
[02:29] <Riddell> for one user?
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that remaining_time can temporarily jump to very small number and can cause
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: threshold was done to prevent doing action if percentage charged is above it
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: so if charge is 50+%, then action will not be performed even though remaining_time is 0
[02:31] <Lure> Riddell: it looks like there are many cases where remaining_time might get confused - see all the cases in bug 60442
[02:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60442 in gnome-power "Dual / Two Batteries, shutdown on empty expansion battery. (GPM does not recognises second battery on hotplug)" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60442
[02:32] <Lure> Riddell: with change of threshold to 5% (or 10%) we would solve unwanted hibernation/shutdown (typical action on critical battery) for many users
[02:33] <Riddell> Lure: so it's currently 50% and you propose to change to 5%?
[02:33] <Lure> Riddell: they would however still get some not so problematic warnings (notification of low level), but those are not RC
[02:33] <Lure> Riddell: yes (can be also 10%)
[02:34] <Lure> Problem is that 50% may be way below what you are left in two battery case (as percentage is cumulative for both batteries)
[02:34] <Riddell> sounds like a good fix to me
[02:35] <Riddell> send me a debdiff and I'll upload
[02:35] <Lure> two batteries may have different capacity and when first one empties (typicaly external/larger) which causes remaining_time bug event, then percantage is probably between 30-50%
[02:35] <Lure> Riddell: ok, thanks
[02:36] <Lure> Riddell: I will still try to ping sebas why he choose so big timeout, as I can remeber that even the initial reported (for which treshold was implemented) said that it may be too high (but it was good enough for him)
[02:38] <Lure> Riddell: I will also try to reproduce bug 65885 - if we can fix this one it would be also great...
[02:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65885 in kde-guidance "hibernation by closing lid not recovering correctly" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65885
[02:41] <Riddell> Lure: think it'll be easily fixed?
[02:43] <Lure> Riddell: not sure yet - if it is not obvious fix I would wait for -updates
[02:44] <Riddell> Lure: even -updates can only take fixes are are easy to understand
[02:46] <Lure> Riddell: sure for that, it is just if it is not couple of obvious lines it is RC candidate, for -updates we can take some time to verify with reporters to cofirm it is correct (and no regression)
[02:47] <Riddell> true
[02:51] <alain> hi
[02:52] <alain> can anyone explain me why Bug #30207 is so difficult to fix   - for me it seems to be an (auto) configuration problem
[02:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30207 in kdebase "media:/ does not handle floppy mounting correctly" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30207
[02:55] <mhb> Riddell: so... would it be possible to change the lines in /usr/share/desktop-directories/ ? (the systemsettings .mo bug)
[02:55] <Riddell> mhb: not really, I have no reliable way to do that
[02:56] <mhb> Riddell: you can't apply a patch to them?
[02:56] <mhb> Riddell: well the Czech descriptions are really messed up in them
[02:57] <mhb> Riddell: totallly ... and nobody asked us to check or correct it
[02:58] <Riddell> mhb: I can't apply a patch at this stage no
[02:58] <Riddell> _Sime: :)
[02:58] <Riddell> mhb: you might want to look at fixing the strings in KDE to sort it out longer term
[02:59] <_Sime> It is very simple.  I'm always lost in KDE's SVN... (and Launchpad too :o)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> _Sime: hehe.  i should give you a link to what i'm reading now.  but it's better if you're in retail yourself :P
[03:03] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that apci-support lid.sh scripts is missing check for power-manager, but adding check (over dcop) does not help as dcop is not working from acpid :-(
[03:04] <Lure> Riddell: I suspect dcop works only from user context - acpid reports: ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!
[03:04] <Riddell> dcop?  or dbus?
[03:04] <Lure> Riddell: see /usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs
[03:05] <Lure> we are missing check for power-manager (which is fix for bug), but the check through dcop does not work
[03:08] <_Sime> mhb: k-s-s is in playground/base/systemsettings.
[03:08] <mhb> _Sime: thanks
[03:08] <Lure> Riddell: I am not sure how this worked for klaptopdaemon (but I can imagine that some painful bugs that we have seen were due to both acpi-support and klaptop doing their stuff :-( )
[03:16] <Lure> Riddell: according to this (http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/dcop.html), we would need to mess with ICEAUTHORITY environment variable, but the problem is that we do not know which user is logged in
[03:19] <Lure> Riddell: we could do ps -p `pidof dcopserver` -o user= in order to set ICEAUTHORITY, but this would not work in multi-user environemnt (lstp)
[03:22] <Riddell> sounds ugly
[03:24] <Lure> Riddell: indeed :-(
[03:25] <Lure> Riddell: if guidance-power-manager would be binary, we could do simple "pidof guidance-power-manager" like kpowersave...
[03:28] <Lure> Riddell: actually, there is -x option: pidof -x guidance-power-manager.py
[03:28] <Lure> it works here!
[03:31] <ryanakca> ok, other than triaging (and anything having to do with editing code), what can I do to help?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: you can deal with the person in -motu
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i've never seen anyone else with that problem
[03:33] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: [08:58]  <cyberquiet> hi, I ran into problems while upgrading from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.5...           ?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: that's the one
[03:34] <Hobbsee> as for *why* it wouldnt have all upgraded with a standard upgrade, i dont know
[03:35] <ryanakca> it's wierd...
[03:35] <Hobbsee> that's not the way repos work, unless some of it ftbfs
[03:36] <ryanakca> ftbfs? failed to build from source?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:38] <ryanakca> ah, so what packages does this involve? kdebase?
[03:38] <ryanakca> (like the one that needs to be fixed)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: NFI - it all works on edgy, and those packages are edgy's, built for dapper
[03:42] <ryanakca> NFI? hmmm...
[03:42] <ryanakca> ok, this is over my head :)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no friendly idea
[03:42] <ryanakca> ah
[03:42] <Hobbsee> i havent seen it used much here
[03:42] <ryanakca> 3.5.5?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> kde 3.5.5
[03:46] <ryanakca> ah, so 3.5.5 packages are uploaded to repos? (last I saw: KDE 3.5.5 is also being uploaded to Edgy.)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no, there's a separate repo on kubuntu.org
[03:47] <ryanakca> yeah, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[03:47] <ryanakca> s/dapper/edgy    in the repo lines?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure, i never looked it up
[03:52] <Riddell> 3.5.5 is in edgy
[03:54] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:54] <Hobbsee> (not dapper though)
[03:55] <ryanakca> so am I
[03:58] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[03:58] <bddebian> Heya ryanakca
[04:51] <mhb> Riddell: Where is the upstream translation of hwdb located?
[04:51] <Riddell> mhb: hwdb has no upstream
[04:51] <mhb> I'd like to update the upstream file as well
[04:51] <mhb> oh
[04:51] <Riddell> so just rosetta is as upstream as there is
[04:51] <mhb> Riddell: ok
[04:58] <freeflying> Riddell: today's cd can not make everything ootb (for chinese stuffs)  :)
[04:58] <Riddell> freeflying: what do you mean by make?
[04:59] <freeflying> Riddell: I just did a frech install use alternate-powerpc-cd, chinese stuffs haven't been set up
[05:00] <freeflying> like input method, l10n,etc.
[05:00] <Riddell> freeflying: do you have language-support-zh installed?
[05:00] <freeflying> Riddell: I did
[05:01] <ryanakca> ok, other than triaging (and anything having to do with editing code), what can I do to help? any more (simple-ish) artwork?
[05:03] <Riddell> ryanakca: artwork is all done except for website which kwwii is still working on
[05:04] <Riddell> ryanakca: but we do need a release page, like nixternal's release wiki pages but made up of the release notes and images
[05:04] <Riddell> ryanakca: might want to see if nixternal has plans along those lines
[05:07] <freeflying> Riddell: sorry, it's the fault of mine damn network
[05:08] <Riddell> freeflying: so language-support-zh wasn't installed?
[05:09] <freeflying> Riddell: depends
[05:09] <ZeroCool> Riddell: just posted this bug, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136033
[05:09] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136033 in general "Kontact, RSS news feeds, Crash n Burn, see attach output" [Crash,Unconfirmed]
[05:13] <Riddell> anyone else have two bouncing feedback images when starting an app?
[05:34] <nuku> will qt 3.3.7 be in edgy?
[05:37] <Riddell> nuku: not by number but I'll upload the patch now so it'll be the same thing
[05:38] <nuku> nice..
[05:43] <Tm_T> :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> What's the biggest difference?
[05:43] <nuku> critical security fix :)
[05:43] <Tm_T> I see.
[05:43] <Riddell> not all that critical but important
[05:44] <nuku> well it crashes konqueror and might lead to remote exploits..
[05:49] <nuku> hmm i guess the fix is still somehow broken.. firefox and opera display this http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=138488 "correct" but konqueror displays just two bars with qt3.3.7 :( or is there an additional patch for kdelibs needed?
[05:51] <Lure> Riddell: debdiff for bugs #64752, #67081, #65885: http://lure.homelinux.net/kubuntu/kde-guidance.debdiff
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64752 in kde-guidance "Forced hibernate is too early" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64752
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67081 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager thinks battery is low way too early" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67081
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65885 in kde-guidance "hibernation by closing lid not recovering correctly" [Medium,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65885
[05:51] <Lure> Riddell: acpi-support was not the root cause - it was much more obvious ;-)
[05:53] <Lure> Riddell: will still talk with mjg59 to change acpi-support
[05:53] <Riddell> Lure: five mins, uploading qt
[05:54] <Riddell> freeflying: can you think of any chinese companies who would want to sponsor akademy 2007?
[05:54] <freeflying> Riddell: in which country
[05:55] <Riddell> freeflying: it's in Scotland
[05:56] <freeflying> Riddell: let me try to find :)
[05:58] <freeflying> Riddell: would you like give me more details :)
[05:58] <Riddell> freeflying: 2006 list at http://conference2006.kde.org/sponsors/
[05:58] <freeflying> thanks
[05:58] <Riddell> see the "call for sponsors" link for the sort of information there
[05:59] <Riddell> but we had Ricoh last year so just wondered if there were other companies in that half of the world
[05:59] <Riddell> that I wouldn't have thought of
[06:03] <ryanakca> is amarok compiled with "--enable-debug=full"?
[06:03] <ZeroCool> Riddell: again, I guess I would have to re-install kubuntu using the new RC version ?
[06:03] <nuku> Riddell: red flag linux? :-)
[06:04] <Riddell> nuku, freeflying: are red flag KDE dudes?
[06:04] <Riddell> ZeroCool: shouldn't be a need for that
[06:04] <freeflying> Riddell: almost
[06:04] <Riddell> ryanakca: probably, then the symbols should be stripped by debhelper
[06:04] <ZeroCool> well, have those 4 bugs, still.
[06:05] <freeflying> Riddell: our company also use kde :)
[06:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: stripped by debhelper?
[06:05] <ZeroCool> Riddell: have those 4 bugs still
[06:05] <freeflying> nuku: u know red flag? :)
[06:05] <ZeroCool> Riddell: and the updates as of today, have not fix them..
[06:05] <nuku> freeflying: well i never tried it :) a friend of mine uses it..
[06:05] <nuku> but i think they have kde as default desktop afair
[06:06] <freeflying> nuku: yes, they do
[06:07] <mhb> nuku: wikipedia says so
[06:07] <nuku> i see :)
[06:07] <fabo> Riddell: a new upstream release of strigi as UVFe, possible ? :p
[06:07] <ZeroCool> Riddell: another question, is kde going to speed up...
[06:09] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, i have been planning on the "Master Release Notes" for next week, and if ryanakca wants to help, then wooooohoooooo! ;)
[06:10] <Riddell> ZeroCool: yes, Qt 4 is faster
[06:10] <ryanakca> nixternal: what is it? a pile of screenshots and captions describing what's new, etc. in edgy?
[06:11] <mhb> hm ... is there a tool in Kubuntu for calibrating laptop touchpads?
[06:11] <nixternal> how did you guess?
[06:11] <nixternal> ;)
[06:11] <ZeroCool> Riddell: when qt 4
[06:11] <Riddell> nixternal: I'd like them to go on kubuntu.org as the announcement in the end, but start on the wiki of course
[06:11] <nixternal> it will recover from Knot 1 all the way to release
[06:11] <Riddell> nixternal: just the highlights :)
[06:11] <nixternal> yup
[06:13] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk, have an example of the past ones or what you have so far? (I have a general idea of what it should look like, but not more than that)
[06:13] <ryanakca> nixternal: and what needs to be done for it?
[06:13] <Riddell> starting text at help:/kubuntu/krelease-notes/index.html
[06:13] <Riddell> previous one https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/RC/Kubuntu
[06:14] <nixternal> there you go ;)
[06:15] <nixternal> sorry, was emailing away
[06:15] <nixternal> 34324324 more to go
[06:15] <fabo> Riddell: no way for strigi so ? ;)
[06:16] <Riddell> Lure: patch looks good
[06:17] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol,  and what d'you need? screenshots or something of the sort?
[06:17] <Lure> Riddell: I tested only lid close one, as remaining_time is not a pb on my laptop, but I am sure that this fix should help on laptops with remaining_time issues (it is just a workaround)
[06:18] <Lure> Riddell: what is the probability to get accepted?
[06:18] <nixternal> one sec
[06:18] <Riddell> Lure: I'll test and upload and see if it's accepted, it looks small enough to be ok
[06:18] <Lure> Riddell: I have already commited to kde svn
[06:20] <ZeroCool> ridell: downloading RC kubuntu...
[06:22] <nixternal> ryanakca: i have setup https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release as the working page, only to keep /. and digg out of our business...what i usually do, is instead of using edgy, i will use Badger and 5.10..and when release is upon us, i will replace them with Edgy and 6.10
[06:22] <mhb> nixternal: :o))
[06:23] <nixternal> otherwise you add something, and some overzealous teenager will find it and digg it ;)
[06:23] <nixternal> make it one of those "omg kubuntu edgy is being released" type stories
[06:23] <nixternal> like when michael jackson "USED" to come to town and all the kids would scream and cry...at least thats what i do when kubuntu releases every time
[06:23] <Riddell> nixternal: clever
[06:24] <mhb> nixternal: that's too paranoid from my point of view :o) that guy could read this channel's logs as well
[06:25] <mhb> nixternal: but if people are really like that ... I agree it's better to keep it quiet and hidden
[06:26] <nixternal> i would think what we say here would be suspect to it, but i haven't seen it yet
[06:27] <nixternal> mhb: btw that isn't paranoid, that is smart...have you worked within out wiki at all?  now take a /. or a digg to the wiki, now try to work with it
[06:27] <nixternal> i would rather watch paint dry
[06:28] <nixternal> s/out/our
[06:31] <mhb> nixternal: can't you use gobby for such things?
[06:31] <nixternal> i could, but they don't make a kobby yet ;)
[06:32] <nixternal> we put the wiki up for everyone to collaborate on..so i would rather use it..however with gobby, i could do all of the markup making it a cut and paste job for mr. JR
[06:33] <mhb> nixternal: you say it's smart, I say it could slow the work down ... but like I said, when this is the only way it's wise
[06:34] <Riddell> mateedit is gobby-like for KDE
[06:34] <nixternal> really
[06:34] <nixternal> thank you
[06:35] <nixternal> ya, i should have noted the "gobby-like", there isn't a kde frontend for obby at all..the obby front end i have seen is gobby..which works just fine in kde, as we use it for the uwn
[06:37] <Riddell> yes, it's a shame they don't use a common protocol
[06:37] <nixternal> Riddell: would it be easier for you, if i did the markup and everything for the release page?
[06:38] <Riddell> nixternal: if it was HTML that would be nice yes
[06:38] <nixternal> ok
[06:38] <nixternal> what CMS does k.org use?
[06:39] <Riddell> ext3
[06:39] <Lure> Riddell: lol
[06:39] <Riddell> the source is in bzr if you want to do it properly, but probably just as easy not to
[06:40] <ryanakca> nixternal: back. sorry, sounds good
[06:40] <nixternal> oooh...that would rock Riddell
[06:42] <Riddell> kubuntu-website product on launchpad
[06:43] <nixternal> ya, this will make it much easier for you then...as i can just create a patch and send it to you
[07:08] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk, so how do we work on this? I download a copy and add stuff to it, and then what? we both make a patch of to the original copy?
[07:08] <nixternal> we will work from the wiki page..im adding the structure now
[07:12] <ryanakca> kk
[07:16] <nixternal> alrighty ryanakca, i have broken the page down a little bit, so it should be easier to follow..if you can think of more stuff to add to it, then go for it, just keep it as brief and punchy as possible https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release
[07:17] <nixternal> only going to have 4 to 6 small screenshots w/ captions
[08:01] <ryanakca> nixternal: kk
[08:02] <ryanakca> nixternal: anything about Kontact or System & Settings new?
[08:02] <nixternal> System & Settings layout is, but i don't know how "big" that is compared to the stuff like Amarok, KDE, and OOo
[08:03] <nixternal> you can add it, and we can play with it somehow
[08:04] <ryanakca> kk
[08:05] <ryanakca> and, when taking screenshots (ex: adept updater), do we want the whole desktop? or just the window?
[08:05] <nixternal> whole desktop, 1024x768
[08:05] <nixternal> default layout, no extra icons or anything like that
[08:05] <mhb> nixternal: isn't it better to do it like http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop ?
[08:07] <nixternal> for individual programs i will crop them, but i don't follow ubuntu, i follow kde styling via our documentation standards
[08:07] <mhb> nixternal: sorry for distrubing, but I always preferred their way
[08:07] <nixternal> because if you look at all of ubuntu's screenshots across the various pages, they don't have a standards whatsoever..they take a snapshot, crop it,a nd drop shaddow it,
[08:08] <nixternal> so i could take my screenshot at 1024x768, you do yours at 1280x1024 and so on...if you look at Kubuntu screenies on all the releases, they are from booting into x with 'startx -- -dpi 72'
[08:08] <ryanakca> nixternal: does adept updater count as an individual program?
[08:08] <nixternal> sure
[08:09] <nixternal> it would be nice to get an image of the notification as well, the little icon
[08:09] <ryanakca> kk, is the default systray 2 rows or 1?
[08:09] <nixternal> they must have recently fixed those images on /desktop, because they used to be off
[08:10] <mhb> nixternal: I don't think standardizing everything is a good idea, though ... sometimes the one approach is better, sometimes the other
[08:10] <nixternal> well, if you don't then you get images that are 400px wide with image 1, and 410px wide, and the variations in the page look horrible, unless of course you float the images
[08:11] <nixternal> but we follow standards when it comes to documentation, we mix a little of the Ubuntu stylization with the KDE stylization here
[08:12] <nixternal> for instance, take a look at Knot1 - Knot3, Beta, and RC pages for edgy..they follow each other, and do not vary by much...now take a look at what happens when you do follow a standard like the EdgyEft/Knot releases for Ubuntu...image wise it is really bad
[08:13] <mhb> nixternal: I don't want to argue with you too much, after all you're the one who does the work here. I just mentioned that in my (and only my) opinion when you talk about a specific application it's wiser to crop the desktop a bit
[08:14] <nixternal> oh ya, and we will
[08:14] <mhb> nixternal: or enlarge the resolution so that it's clear what the application says
[08:14] <mhb> nixternal: like http://www.ubuntu.com/include/img/applicationsmenu.png
[08:14] <nixternal> but when you take a screenshot with just the active window, ksnapshot hoses the sizes
[08:15] <ryanakca> ?
[08:15] <nixternal> ok, take a snapshot using knsapshot of your entire desktop, and then take a snapshot of the active window, you will notice the variation in sizes
[08:15] <nixternal> unless that has been fixed and i ahven't noticed it
[08:16] <nixternal> unless you are using imagemagic and the import function
[08:19] <nixternal> my problem with not showing an image with what it looks like natively on the desktop is that believe it or not, someone will file a bug with "mine doesn't look like the one on the website" ;)
[08:19] <ryanakca> lol, yep
[08:19] <ryanakca> well, the screenshot taking part anywais...
[08:19] <nixternal> hehe
[08:20] <ryanakca> so, I take a fullscreen snapshot with imagemagic, 1024x768, and then I send it to you, and you'll crop it?
[08:20] <nixternal> just attach it to the page
[08:20] <nixternal> i can grab them from there., or you can send them to me
[08:20] <ryanakca> kk
[08:20] <nixternal> no biggie
[08:21] <ryanakca> well, I guess I don't have much choice about creating a new user... I've been using a different kicker layout for so long, I forget how k-d-s has it setup :)
[08:21] <nixternal> heh
[08:33] <ryanakca> I started a new session, but for some reason GNOME was the default under KDM, so I log into gnome, log out... then I'm stuck at a black screen... ctrl-alt-F7 didn't do anything, nor did ctrl-alt-f(1-8)...
[08:34] <mhb> ryanakca: what if you were under console? alt-f1 didn't work either
[08:34] <mhb> ?
[08:34] <ryanakca> mhb: I couldn't get under console...
[08:34] <mhb> ryanakca: well you've opened and closed a X session ... why not?
[08:35] <ryanakca> mhb: with kmenu... it did something, but for some reason, the keyboard shortcuts didn't work for me
[08:35] <nixternal> alt+f7?
[08:35] <ryanakca> nope...
[08:35] <nixternal> that returns me out of my blackscreen missery at times
[08:35] <nixternal> at time
[08:36] <ryanakca> never used to be like that...
[08:38] <ryanakca> ooh, fun :)
[08:38] <ryanakca> System & Settings' Monitor & Display is broken over here...
[08:39] <mhb> ryanakca: really? Somebody talked about that yesterday
[08:39] <ryanakca> mhb: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/monanddisp.png
[08:40] <mhb> exactly that
[08:40] <mhb> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135725
[08:40] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135725 in general "Monitor & Display Module can't load" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[08:41] <ryanakca> do we have it on lp?
[08:41] <nixternal> interesting someone would post that upstream, when system settings isn't even up stream
[08:41] <ryanakca> nope :)
[08:42] <mhb> nixternal: it wasn't me :o)
[08:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: i believe the issue is some funky python stuff with the python-central
[08:43] <nixternal> kcmshell displayconfig
[08:44] <nixternal> you will probably see the python error referring to guidance
[08:44] <ryanakca> ImportError: No module named displayconfig
[08:44] <ryanakca> interesting :)
[08:45] <mhb> ryanakca: poke me with the LP bug number then, ok? I'll notify the other guy that experienced that
[08:46] <ryanakca> kk
[08:46] <nixternal> ryanakca: i created the bug a month or so back on that
[08:46] <nixternal> closed it, as it had been fixed
[08:47] <ryanakca> nixternal: reopen it?
[08:47] <Tm_T> Hmm, kcontrol doesn't have display settings at all?!
[08:48] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/62223
[08:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62223 in kde-guidance "Monitor & Display, User Management, Disk & Filesystems - All Broken" [Undecided,Fix released]
[08:48] <Tm_T> Hmm, I need guidance?
[08:50] <Tm_T> Funny.
[08:53] <ryanakca> nixternal: wouldn't it be a good idea to poke someone to update/highten the importance of that bug? (imho... it doesn't look too good when a good portion of your system settings is broken)
[08:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: I'll work on that Release page tonight... I'm going to go out into the big blue room for a bit :)
[09:01] <nixternal> hehe
[09:02] <nixternal> the bug doesn't effect everyone...during an update, it didn't do something right for you...it will work itself out ;)
[09:02] <mhb> ryanakca: the importance is always misleading
[09:02] <ryanakca> lol
[09:03] <mhb> ryanakca: I'm trying to make someone fix the bug that if unpatched will make ubuntu czech translators a laughing stock of the Czech Linux users but its importance is "Low."
[09:04] <ryanakca> heh
[09:04] <nixternal> mhb: link me to the bug please
[09:05] <mhb> nixternal: it's bug 63325
[09:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63325 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63325
[09:07] <nixternal> are the translations not complete yet, or are they there, just not being loaded correctly?
[09:08] <mhb> nixternal: they were completed over a month ago
[09:08] <mhb> nixternal: but they aren't loaded correctly
[09:08] <mhb> nixternal: and the defaults (/usr/share/desktop-directories/ files) are totally wrong
[09:08] <nixternal> ahh
[09:09] <mhb> nixternal: it wouldn't be that bad if the Keyboard & Mouse button wasn't labeled "Users and Groups"
[09:09] <nixternal> well it seems Riddell is working on it, so I won't change the status, as i am sure it is already on his todo list
[09:09] <nixternal> ya i seen that...
[09:09] <mhb> nixternal: I know, I'm bugging him too much
[09:10] <nixternal> hehe
[09:10] <mhb> nixternal: it was just an example of how importance is relative
[09:10] <nixternal> you can be assured he will get it fixed prior to release
[09:10] <nixternal> oh ya, i think truthfully it should be "medium"
[09:11] <nixternal> although, only the "severe" or "critical" bugs get looked at first, the rest get worked on as a "first come, first serve" basis usually..but if JR has assigned himself to it, he will get it fixed
[09:11] <nixternal> im sure he is working on his bugs right now as we speak
[09:11] <mhb> nixternal: I have trust in him, don't worry
[09:49] <mhb> can someone give me a hint?
[09:50] <mhb> amaroK displays BROKEN TRANSLATION when he should say "playing..." and Rosetta refuses to accept 3 plural forms (in english there are only 2) ... to what package does it belong?
[09:53] <nixternal> no clue on that one...but i just noticed that my new RC install just went to either blank screen or screensaver, and showed the big white X on a blackscreen, in otherwords, something is broken..this happens on both of my kubuntu machines too
[09:54] <mhb> nixternal: that's reported
[09:54] <nixternal> good deal
[09:55] <mhb> nixternal: it's the bug 67391
[09:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67391 in kubuntu-meta "Screensaver not working" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67391
[09:55] <nixternal> wow, that was just reported too
[10:03] <mhb> Riddell: sorry to bother you once again, can you please notify the right person about the bug 67457 ? I don't know who is responsible for that. It's not as important as the systemsettings bug but still troublesome (amarok is used often, I use it daily myself)
[10:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67457 in amarok "amaroK translations in Rosetta - plural forms are broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67457
[10:04] <mhb> nixternal: what screensaver do you use? maybe you can comment on that screensaver bug so that it will get resolved sooner
[10:04] <nixternal> don't use one ;)
[10:04] <nixternal> it is supposed to be shut off
[10:05] <nixternal> i will work on some bugs here in a few
[10:05] <mhb> nixternal: ok .o) go for it
[10:25] <Mez> can someone pastebin me the out put of dpkg -L katapult please?
[10:26] <Hawkwind> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/175
[10:27] <Mez> cheers
[10:45] <mhb> Riddell: good news, I patched the bug 67457, it was not that hard - somehow the plural forms just disappeared from the .po translation file in Rosetta. Can you still poke somebody who can patch the Rosetta file and rebuild the .mo file (since it's past deadline now)? Thank you.
[10:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67457 in amarok "amaroK translations in Rosetta - plural forms are broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67457
[10:46] <Riddell> mhb: just disappeared?
[10:46] <Riddell> mhb: is this in your translation only?
[10:47] <mhb> Riddell: I'm not sure, will check ... disappeared = they were in Dapper translation and weren't in Edgy one (and they are in upstream)
[10:48] <mhb> Riddell: I can't tell exactly how this happened
[10:52] <Riddell> mhb: it'll be picked up in the next language pack update, so you can close the bug
[10:52] <mhb> Riddell: that's probably in more than a month
[10:53] <mhb> Riddell: :oI
[10:54] <Riddell> not much else can be done there
[10:55] <mhb> Riddell: the final langpacks have been posted yet?
[10:55] <Riddell> yes, uploaded just after RC was out
[10:55] <mhb> Riddell: awww
[10:57] <mhb> that's no fair :o) it's still a bug but it doesn't get addressed like the other ones :o) (it's a joke)
[10:59] <mhb> Riddell: should I try to upload the patched file or did you do something with it?
[11:06] <Riddell> mhb: I've not done anything
[11:07] <mhb> Riddell: OK, I'll try to upload the file (I hope it'll work, there were some problems with Rosetta shortly before the deadline)
[11:07] <mhb> Riddell: any progress on the systemsettings bug?
[11:07] <mhb> Riddell: thanks for advice
[11:08] <Riddell> mhb: I didn't crack it today, maybe tomorrow (kindae the last chance really)
[11:09] <mhb> Riddell: can I help in some way? It's important for me
[11:10] <Riddell> mhb: if you know c++ sure
[11:12] <mhb> Riddell: well, theoretically I do :o) any advice on where I should look?
[11:20] <Riddell> mhb: kdelibs
[11:20] <Riddell> the patch is in debian/patches
[11:25] <Tonio__> hey
[11:26] <mhb> Tonio_: hey Tonio the Second :o)
[11:27] <Tonio_> mhb: the second of what ?
[11:29] <Tonio_> mhb: I'm sorry for that stupid question, but I'm hill and really veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery tired, so I don't understan
[11:29] <Tonio_> +d
[11:29] <mhb> Tonio_: the second "_" as in "Tonio__" :D
[11:30] <Tonio_> mhb: ah ! ;)
[11:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[11:49] <freeflying_> Riddell: how to configure hotkeys in kubuntu?
[11:53] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[12:07] <ryanakca> freeflying_: hotkeys in kubuntu?
[12:08] <freeflying_> ryanakca: or hotkey-setup?


[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:14] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:15] <soee_> someone using milou widget ?
[16:45] <mcstr_> is there a way to delete older formerly used mobile-devices in kde connect? i have now an sgs3 but kde connect still is also showing my sgs4
[20:55] <apachelogger> anyone around?
[20:55]  * apachelogger looks at yofel
[20:55] <yofel> hm?
[20:56] <apachelogger> yofel: can you please try the following in discover: install qtcreator -> delete creator -> sudo apt-get install -f ... does it reinstall qtcreator?
[20:57] <apachelogger> it appears to me my apt is getting very confused and says it has no broken relationships even though it really has
[20:58] <yofel> yup
[20:58] <yofel> The following extra packages will be installed:
[20:58] <yofel>   qtcreator
[20:59] <apachelogger> yofel: sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install -f
[20:59] <apachelogger> does it report broken packages there?
[20:59] <yofel> did that already, it's 0
[20:59] <apachelogger> I think apt in trusty is kaput
[21:00] <yofel> I'm on utopic
[21:00] <apachelogger> well, I see it in trusty :P
[21:00] <yofel> I've seen such behavior from aptitude in the past, but I believe that has it's own package state cache
[21:00] <apachelogger> it's peculiar though, technically that should break for every package ever
[21:00] <apachelogger> what qapt does is mark the package for deletion and then let the resolver figure out how to make it happen and if it can't then qapt simply aborts
[21:01] <apachelogger> so I think something is kaput which makes the broken count report as 0 even though it isn't
[21:01] <apachelogger> all very peculiar
[21:01] <apachelogger> yofel: well, thanks for checking
[21:02] <yofel> apachelogger: aptitude is rather unhappy actually
[21:03] <apachelogger> yofel: about the mess discover made or about removing qtcreator?
[21:03]  * apachelogger cannot remove qtcreator in muon pm at all ....
[21:03] <yofel> latter
[21:03] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7757372/
[21:04] <apachelogger> that looks fine doesn't it?
[21:04] <yofel> sure, but that's all because they depend on qtcreator
[21:04] <yofel> and are now broken
[21:04] <apachelogger> yeah, which makes sense
[21:05] <apachelogger> the question is why removing qtcreator via discover doesn't resolve the breakage
[21:05] <yofel> I would blame apt, as that seems to calcualate something wrong
[21:06] <apachelogger> The "qtcreator" package could not be marked for installation or upgrade:
[21:06] <apachelogger> ohohohohoh
[21:06] <apachelogger> ah nevermind
[21:07] <apachelogger> no, actually, that error comes from client side muon pm itself, so for some reason it qapt client fails to resolve the deps
[21:07] <apachelogger> wut
[21:16] <apachelogger> what the
[21:23] <ScottK> yofel: Upstream renamed ksnakeduel to ktron in a point release?
[21:23] <apachelogger> yofel: fwiw, I think there's three bugs at work a) apt's broken count is weirdly defunct allowing qapt to apply the changes even though they cause broken relationships b) clientside qapt fails to actually resolve the breakage by marking the additional packages (which is like super weird) c) discover doesn't take additional measures to check whether an operation will cause breakage (muon does, which is why it refuses to mark it for removal
[21:23] <apachelogger> entirely)
[21:23] <apachelogger> merry pile of shit that is
[21:24] <yofel> ScottK: no, upstream renamed the source to ksnakeduel a while go, we renamed the binary, debian didn't, and shadeslayer didn't add any replacement handling when he merged that
[21:25] <ScottK> Ah.
[21:26] <ScottK> So he dropped the rename?
[21:26] <ScottK> That seems wrong.
[21:26] <shadeslayer> hm?
[21:26] <ScottK> Did anyone ask Debian why they didn't follow upstream on the rename?
[21:27] <ScottK> Matching upstream is the right answer here I think.
[21:28]  * yofel didn't
[21:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: I didn't merge ksnakeduel
[21:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^?
[21:28] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[21:28] <yofel> ah oops, Riddell did
[21:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: sorry ;)
[21:28] <Riddell> I did?
[21:28] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:28] <ScottK> Yes.  Riddell did.
[21:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: back from your Canoe thingy ? :p
[21:28] <Riddell> yeah, it was awesome
[21:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw dpm is in Barcelona tomorrow
[21:29] <Riddell> then I went to France, just cos I can
[21:29] <shadeslayer> wut
[21:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did they surrender
[21:29] <ScottK> yofel: Rather than add the transitional package, I'd just go back to our old binary name.
[21:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: That's a given.
[21:29] <yofel> ok, I'll do that then
[21:29] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[21:29] <Riddell> no, they failed to indicate at roundabouts and there were posters for la front nationale, so I came back
[21:30] <yofel> and let me ask maxy what he thinks
[21:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.meetup.com/html5livecodebarcelona/events/190196612/
[21:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'd be up for that
[21:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm just meeting him for drinks after his session
[21:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ anything that needs nagging in person ? :P
[21:36] <apachelogger> who? the french?
[21:37] <shadeslayer> nah, dpm
[21:38] <apachelogger>         if (!Targ->ProvidesList) {
[21:38] <apachelogger> the names in qapt
[21:38] <apachelogger> the names
[21:38] <apachelogger> :@
[21:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nothing comes to mind
[21:38] <apachelogger> other than bitching anyway
[21:39] <shadeslayer> good :p
[21:39] <apachelogger>             pkgCache::VerIterator Ver =  (*d->backend->cache()->depCache())[Targ].InstVerIter(*d->backend->cache()->depCache());
[21:39] <apachelogger> reads: :trollface:
[21:39] <shadeslayer> wait
[21:39] <shadeslayer> is that actual code?
[21:39] <shadeslayer> :@
[21:40] <apachelogger> you know
[21:41] <apachelogger> it's the reason I don't like working on code I was not involved with early on
[21:43] <yofel> welcome to, you know, life :P
[21:43] <shadeslayer> ^^
[21:44] <apachelogger> why it doesn't have to be
[21:44] <apachelogger> if people were to watch less football and instead got drunk they'd not come up with shit like that
[21:50] <valorie> are you implying that drunk code is better than football-watching code?
[21:50] <yofel> in his case that's usually true ^^
[21:50]  * valorie observes that often you see the football-watching and drunkenness together
[21:50] <valorie> without any code
[21:51] <valorie> apachelogger is at the constant Ballmer's Peak
[22:02] <valorie> time to run
[22:20] <apachelogger> <- professional haxx0r
[22:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the code was stolen from synaptics that's why it's so shitty
[22:21] <apachelogger> also I stole a fix now
[22:21] <apachelogger> I have no clue what it means, but it makes muon pm able to resolve the removal
[22:23] <apachelogger> much magic
[22:24] <apachelogger> ahahaha
[22:24] <apachelogger> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-December/007623.html
[22:24] <apachelogger> that makes my stolen fix less appealing
[22:24] <apachelogger> also it doesn't really look noop
[22:32] <apachelogger> :O
[22:49] <apachelogger> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commit&h=48ca41c210c30e75817d7559cdf8bad7ceab141c for public entertainment
[23:02] <yofel> entertaining indeed...


[00:00] <sarnold> 4505 or 4506?
[00:00] <sarnold> delinquentme: does netstat -lnp show something listening on 4505 or 4506?
[00:00] <sarnold> delinquentme: .. if so, is it bound to localhost?
[00:00] <delinquentme> sarnold, nope !
[00:01] <sarnold> delinquentme: nmap can only tell if a port is open if a process is actively listening on that port
[00:01] <delinquentme> actually i used $ nmap -v <IP_ADDRESS> -p 4505 to check it from a remote machine
[00:02] <sarnold> delinquentme: shows closed for me too, but '22' for example is openbecause sshd is listening
[00:03] <delinquentme> well theres a web server called  zeroMQ which should be listening on ports 4505 and 4506 and
[00:03] <delinquentme> and I ran $ sudo ufw allow 4505 && sudo ufw allow 4506
[00:04] <sarnold> delinquentme: what does sudo netstat -lnp | grep :450  show?
[00:06] <delinquentme> sarnold, nothing
[00:07] <sarnold> delinquentme: okay, how about ps auxw | grep -i z  ? does it show zeromq running? that'll let you know if you need to figure out (a) why it isn't starting or (b) why it isn't listening on the ports you expect
[00:09] <delinquentme> zeromq is not showing up
[00:09] <delinquentme> damn.
[00:09] <delinquentme> is there not a way to tell whether a port is open by itself?
[00:11] <sarnold> delinquentme: nc -l 4505   on the host where you want to run zmq, then on another host, run "echo hi | nc <ip address> 4505"  -- if you see 'hi' in your first terminal, then the firewall lets the port through
[00:12] <delinquentme> sarnold, check. I got "hi" on the first terminal
[00:13] <delinquentme> so then it could be an issue that zeroMQ is only running while its needed ( this is a infrastructure provisioning software )
[00:13] <sarnold> delinquentme: nice; if you want to make sure your firewall is okay,try again on ports e.g. 4000 or something :)
[00:13] <sarnold> delinquentme: no idea there. from what I know of zmq it seems very unlikely to me that it wouldn't be running all the time..
[00:14] <delinquentme> sarnold, yeah cool trick !
[00:14] <delinquentme> right now im trying to sort out why im getting so many hanging instance events on rackspace
[00:14] <delinquentme> IE  I ask for a node and it takes > 10 minutes for it to answer back as being up + provisioned
[00:15] <sarnold> owwwwwww
[00:16] <delinquentme> yeah i was thinking it was rackspace ... but it might have been that I failed to open up the right ports for the software source on the master
[00:16] <delinquentme> ... but then im not sure why it ever even once provisioned
[01:51] <rostam> HI I want to create a local repo of some debian packages with their dependencies what tool would be the best and easiest to do this task? thanks
[02:54] <sudormrf> hey guys, trying to figure out which video driver I need.  it is a bit of an odd question since I am running server, but I installed xbmc on my nuc and now xbmc is saying it needs a video driver.  was looking at this package, i965-va-driver.  that look right?
[03:01] <sudormrf> the simple question, which driver do I need for this? 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[03:02] <Patrickdk> intel :)
[03:03] <sudormrf> Patrickdk: aye, but which?
[03:03] <sudormrf> xorg isn’t installed
[03:03] <cfhowlett> sudormrf, this one I believe https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[03:03] <Patrickdk> what does xorg have to do with graphics drivers?
[03:04] <sudormrf> cfhowlett: is it in the repos?
[03:04] <sudormrf> Patrickdk: nothing.  was just mentioning it in case it mattered :)
[03:04] <Patrickdk> I never bothered
[03:04] <Patrickdk> it *just works*
[03:04] <sudormrf> Patrickdk: ?
[03:08] <Patrickdk> sudormrf, /kernel/drivers/video/intelfb/intelfb.ko
[03:08] <Patrickdk> that is the video driver for it
[03:09] <Patrickdk> so if you see intelfb in lsmod, it's loaded
[03:09] <sudormrf> Patrickdk: it is not loaded
[03:09] <Patrickdk> well, what are you using?
[03:09] <Patrickdk> is this a laptop?
[03:10] <sudormrf> an intel NUC
[03:24] <sudormrf> sorry had to make some change
[03:24] <sudormrf> changes
[03:24] <sudormrf> not sure where to go from here
[03:25] <sudormrf> would prefer to load using apt
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:51] <abhishek> can u tell me why ext4 partition displays 93GB but actual size is 99GB
[06:51] <abhishek> I can't understand the mathematics behind it
[06:52] <sarnold> abhishek: echo "1024 * 1000 * 1000 * 99 / (1024 * 1024 * 1024)" | bc -l   :)
[06:53] <abhishek> what is 1000 here
[06:53] <abhishek> actually I am confirmed that this is 1024 as a unit
[06:53] <sarnold> that's what your drive maker calls a "megabyte" and "gigabyte" :)
[06:54] <abhishek> I thought this is taken by some jounaling features
[06:54] <sarnold> overhead probably does account for some of that..
[10:57] <kamilboratynski> Hello, I installed some caintainers.
[10:57] <kamilboratynski> But I see some tun-tap cards that are not attached with containers.
[10:57] <kamilboratynski> container*
[10:57] <kamilboratynski> Suggestion...?
[11:24] <pmatulis> morning
[12:30] <Aison> does the order of the files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled matter?
[12:30] <Aison> somehow one of my virtual hosts is allways ignored
[12:30] <Aison> the others are working
[12:32] <andol> Aison: The order matters in the regards that the first one will become the default vhost.
[12:33] <andol> Assuming you are dealing with named vhosts.
[12:33] <Aison> ok, this one starts with 000
[12:33] <Aison> andol, yes, i'm dealing with named vhosts
[12:34] <andol> Yepp, that 000 prefix is often used for the purpose of making sure the default really ends up being the default.
[12:38] <Aison> looks like the hostname is not submitted to apache
[12:38] <Aison> very strange
[12:38] <Aison> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [26/Aug/2014:14:38:13 +0200] "GET /phpsysinfo.txt HTTP/1.1" 404 516 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/31.0.1650.63 Safari/537.36"
[12:39] <Aison> "-" no hostname here
[12:43] <RoyK> Aison: I've seen that happen, but somewhat never understood how to fix it without disabling the "default" site. Try that first.
[12:43] <patdk-wk> heh?
[12:44] <RoyK> patdk-wk: heh.
[12:44] <patdk-wk> hostname not being submitted when using http 1.1, is invalid, and will cause an error
[12:44] <RoyK> Aison: can you do wireshark dump of that? hostname should be submitted, but apache may mess it up (or your config may)
[12:45] <patdk-wk> and "-" != hostname, that is the referer, by default
[12:46] <Aison> RoyK, right, when I disable the default, then everything works
[12:46] <RoyK> Aison: bingo...
[12:46] <patdk-wk> never had an issue with it myself
[12:47] <RoyK> patdk-wk: I have
[12:49] <patdk-wk> hmm, I need to figure out how to deal with the apache 2.2 -> 2.4 change
[12:49] <Aison> RoyK, and how did you solve it finally?
[12:54] <RoyK> Aison: removed default config :P
[12:54] <patdk-wk> oh wait, you mean just remove 00-default right?
[12:54] <patdk-wk> ya, I always do that
[12:55] <patdk-wk> and make my own
[12:55] <RoyK> yes
[12:56] <RoyK> perhaps there's something in the catch-all logic there that catches too much?
[12:57] <patdk-wk> think it depends on what you do
[12:57] <patdk-wk> I found one server I have the default enabled
[12:57] <patdk-wk> on it, I use ip specific vhosts, virtualhost fullip:80 style
[12:57] <LucidGuy> Ok, I have about 4-5 ubuntu servers mainly serving files/nfs.  I wan't to start monitoring their performance numbers, something straight forward.  Thinking of just installing Munin on each.  Recommendations?
[12:57] <patdk-wk> so the ip overrides the default vhost
[12:58] <patdk-wk> but if you make another *:80 vhost, you will have to specify servername and/or serveralias for it
[12:59] <RoyK> patdk-wk: and when that doesn't work either, and it returns to the default, even if the new config is correct?
[12:59] <patdk-wk> that, I haven't seen :)
[12:59] <RoyK> that's what Aison is seeing ;)
[13:00] <Aison> the funny thing is, I did not change anything in the configs
[13:00] <Aison> this config worked now for over 2 years
[13:00] <Aison> suddenly it stopped working...
[13:02] <RoyK> Aison: a glitch in the matrix? ;)
[13:02] <Aison> all what I did is a reboot of the server....
[13:02] <Aison> so something happened
[13:04] <Aison> do anybody know a good web file manager (maybe with ldap support)
[13:12] <Aison> damn, building my raid array takes hours.....
[13:12] <Aison> already waiting 24h
[13:29] <rostam> hi  does all the debian files located in the directory /var/cache/apt/archives are installed on my system?
[13:30] <lordievader> rostam: Not per se. It is a temporary place to store .deb files.
[13:31] <lordievader> rostam: Apt places them there when they are downloaded.
[13:32] <rostam> lordievader, oh I see thanks
[13:45] <jamin> has anyone here successfully used the text debconf_ui frontend for oem-config on 14.04?
[13:52] <jcastro> jamespage, I have an odd problem. The charm-tools in trusty is out of date
[13:52] <jcastro> but the new one, in the PPA, depends on a new package, charmworldlib
[13:52] <jcastro> which is not in trusty
[13:53] <jcastro> is there any option at all for getting a new package in -updates or is it pretty much we're doomed?
[14:06] <thebwt1> Hey guys, what package provides ubuntu's sweet stats on login?
[14:07] <lordievader> thebwt1: Seems to be 'update-notifier-common'.
[14:08] <thebwt1> thanks lordievader
[14:08] <YamakasY> anyone using preseed with the interfaces ?
[14:08] <YamakasY> It's overwriting my /etc/network/interfaces file everytime
[14:11] <thebwt1> lordievader: actually it's landscape-client
[14:13] <shredding> can someone help me on how a curl command should look like if the client_id and api_key of oauth are weird?
[14:13] <lordievader> thebwt1: The scripts that provide the data are all over the place though: apt-file search /etc/update-motd.d
[14:13] <shredding> curl -X POST -d "grant_type=password&username=Christian&password=secret" 'http://WpDs.u9yrWD3js;fYq?cog;MvTiq0Bj02r8LTL_v:c1W2:PzVsccsIt_G_uxnwE_TC08z14IKqYYKy0DJAok;_B?RvuVashIsARqhGwF=ChoBJveA7LvB;C?IeXyp?0ZiyBtg9;tSwTjVdC.K_f@n=;@V;2:VoX@IhPyiHzC@localhost:8000/o/token/'
[14:13] <shredding> ends with curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'WpDs.u9yrWD3js;fYq\'
[14:13] <shredding> I understand why that is, but i don’t know how to male it work.
[14:40] <dav1dp0101> Does anyone have any expertise troubleshooting Upstart scripts?
[15:00] <Aison> why do one of my ubuntu server have got p9p1 as name for the network device
[15:01] <Aison> and the other one eth0
[15:01] <Aison> where are these settings to change that behavoir?
[15:02] <henkjan> Aison: check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/biosdevname/+bug/1284043
[15:09] <bananapie> What is the "right" way to connect to generic ssl service ( https, imap, whatever ) and check that the certificate is signed by an authority in /etc/ssl/certs ?
[15:09] <bananapie> I can't use my browser because it won't work for anything other than https
[15:18] <bananapie> Sorry, I got disconnected.
[15:25] <darksider> hi guys, just installed ubuntu server 14.04. On first boot, after installation, the booting process seems to hang, with the harddrive led blinking every second or so. Last line is Adding 4GB swap on /dev/sda2
[16:00]  * genii makes more coffee and wanders over to #ubuntu-meeting
[16:10] <smoser> utlemming, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/walinuxagent/+bug/1360471
[16:10] <smoser> and, fyi, ubuntu ServerTeam meeting going on irght now in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:38] <zul> hallyn: ill get to libvirt tomorrow
[17:39] <hallyn> zul: ok
[18:52] <zoidberg-> Hey does anyone run a speedtouch 330 modem on debian, or has done in the past ( i know its an old modem ), http://codepad.org/SFzY5kZL <-- anyone know how to get this working i can't see to get it to grab device like ttyS0?
[18:56] <sarnold> zoidberg-: https://lkml.org/lkml/2002/11/7/186 ... is there still a 'speedtouch' kernel module to load? :)
[19:02] <Sierra> For someone that has never worked with cronjobs before, is it possible to create one that'll run this every 30 or so minutes? sudo service apache2 restart & sudo service mysql restart
[19:02] <Sierra> It's a temporary fix to an issue a server I'm working on is having, but it'll hopefully help a bit while I workon the main issue
[19:04] <sarnold> Sierra: add "0,30 * * * * root /usr/sbin/service apache2 restart ; /usr/sbin/service mysql restart"  to /etc/crontab
[19:12] <RoyK> sarnold, Sierra: is it really wise to restart apache and mysql to fix an issue?
[19:12] <sarnold> RoyK: no :)
[19:12] <RoyK> Sierra: check the logs - they should see what's wrong
[19:12] <sarnold> RoyK: but Sierra promised it's a short-term workaround
[19:12] <RoyK> s/see/show/
[19:12] <RoyK> sarnold: obviously, yes
[19:12] <Sierra> Royk: There seems to be a memory leak somewhere thats causing the server to completely die after ~45 minutes, this is just temporary while I get this fixed
[19:13] <RoyK> Sierra: what's leaking?
[19:13] <Sierra> Not certain yet
[19:13] <RoyK> Sierra: have top running or monitor the problematic processes with munin or something to show their memory use
[19:14] <Sierra> All its running right now is a set of wordpress sites, but I've watched the memory usage slowly climb until it hits a point where it stops responding, using htop
[19:14] <Sierra> Process wise, it seems to be heavy CPU usage from apache, and growing memory usage from mysq
[19:14] <RoyK> Sierra: the apache processes or mysql?
[19:14] <RoyK> ah
[19:14] <RoyK> that's rather bad...
[19:14] <Sierra> Yeah.. Just suddenly started up yesterday, no warning. Nothing was updated or changed beforehand that I'm aware of
[19:14] <RoyK> too bad wordpress can't use postgresql :P
[19:15] <RoyK> Sierra: any wordpress or php upgrade happened recently?
[19:15] <RoyK> erm... if mysql is eating the memory...
[19:15] <RoyK> just forget that question
[19:15] <Sierra> I do know there was a wordpress update released, but as far as I know it hasnt actually been updated yet due to the resource issues
[19:16] <RoyK> Sierra: can you isolate the process(es) leaking?
[19:16] <Sierra> I'm wondering if there's just a suddenly massive amount of people trying to access the websites or something (Which is odd.. It's nowhere near tax season)
[19:17] <sarnold> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-5265.html
[19:17] <sarnold> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-5266.html
[19:17] <Sierra> RoyK: By the looks of it, a bunch of mysql processes using ~2.5% of memory each, and the number of those processes is stadily growing
[19:18] <RoyK> Sierra: how is the I/O load?
[19:18] <RoyK> given by "wio" by "sar" (from sysstat) or "wi" from "top"
[19:19] <RoyK> Sierra: install sysstat (or munin) if you want to monitor the system over time. using just top doesn't give you history
[19:19] <Sierra> RoyK: htop, sorted by memory usage: http://i.imgur.com/JSGHNrL.png
[19:20] <Sierra> It was just rebooted about 2, 3 minutes ago
[19:20] <RoyK> Sierra: htop doesn't seem to say much about the I/O load
[19:20] <Sierra> The IO monitors for htop seem to not work.. Everything's at 0
[19:21] <RoyK> use top
[19:21] <RoyK> or just install munin+sysstat
[19:21] <RoyK> btw, there doesn't seem to be any global wio stats from htop
[19:25] <Sierra> RoyK: Ok, I've got sysstat installed. Did a small google search, should I follow these instructions? http://www.leonardoborda.com/blog/how-to-configure-sysstatsar-on-ubuntudebian/
[19:26] <RoyK> Sierra: looks ok, although I'm not sure if you need 2min samples - up to you
[19:26] <Sierra> For now, might as well, in case the server decides to implode after 5 minutes of running instead of 30 xD
[19:27] <RoyK> Sierra: also - try munin - it makes nice graphs to help visualising things
[19:27] <RoyK> hehe
[19:28] <Sierra> Ubuntu manual pages for munin are showing instructions for two different servers; Not sure what that's about >.<
[19:30] <RoyK> Sierra: apt-get install munin munin-node # that should do for most
[19:30] <RoyK> munin is pretty good at configuring plugins available for the system
[19:32] <RoyK> Sierra: by default, it'll setup a /munin place on the webserver - see /etc/munin/apache.conf for the configuration of the web access
[19:32] <Sierra> RoyK: Well, this just suddenly happened in a split second: http://i.imgur.com/S4fW2sP.png
[19:32] <Sierra> i.imgur.com/8K5199J.png
[19:33] <RoyK> Sierra: run top - check i/o statistics
[19:33] <Sierra> So maybe its not a memory leak, somethings causing a ton of threads to suddenly start up from apache and mysql..
[19:33] <Sierra> And the server's not responding again
[19:33] <RoyK> Sierra: your load is very high, so the problem is probably due to I/O load
[19:33] <RoyK> Sierra: use top next time - not htop
[19:34] <Sierra> Is there a way to get the SSH session to have a higher priority or something so the server will still respond to ssh?
[19:34] <Sierra> It seems that it is responding, just incredibly slowly..
[19:35] <RoyK> usual I/O issue
[19:36] <RoyK> probably swapping the best it can
[19:36] <Sierra> Gonna have to call the guys at the datacenter and have em reboot the box again
[19:37] <Sierra> Ok so it finally responded to a service apache2 stop after ~5, 6 minutes, and everythings running fine again
[19:37] <Sierra> Although the webserver's offline now
[19:37] <Sierra> RoyK: How do I have top display the i/O stats?
[19:38] <RoyK> Sierra: echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[19:38] <RoyK> that'll reboot it
[19:38] <RoyK> it won't sync the disks or anything, but hopefully, ext4 will sort that out
[19:38] <Sierra> RoyK: Not sure if the reboots necessary atm as its load dropped down after it finally stopped apache2
[19:38] <RoyK> Sierra: echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger ; echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[19:38] <RoyK> that'll be safer
[19:39] <RoyK> ok
[19:40] <RoyK> Sierra: top will report i/o stats by default
[19:41] <Sierra> Unless its not labelled as io, I'm not seeing it :/
[19:42] <RoyK> wi
[19:42] <RoyK> time spent waiting for i/o
[19:42] <RoyK> erm
[19:42] <RoyK> wa
[19:42] <RoyK> %Cpu(s):  0,2 us,  0,2 sy,  0,0 ni, 99,7 id,  0,0 wa,  0,0 hi,  0,0 si,  0,0 st
[19:42] <RoyK> the wa thing there
[19:43] <Sierra> http://i.imgur.com/HwmcNCi.png
[19:43] <Sierra> Oh there it is
[19:43] <RoyK> press 1
[19:44] <RoyK> so you get the output of all CPUs
[19:47] <Sierra> I'm seeing it hitting 60-80%wa on both cores
[19:48] <Sierra> And now 90%
[19:50] <Sierra> http://i.imgur.com/2ERj1KB.png is what its showing right now
[19:51] <RoyK> Sierra: lots and lots of swap used - that's the cause
[19:51] <Sierra> Any idea whats causing the massive spike in resource usage that wasn't occuring before? It happened at the end of tax season (When lots of people were using the site) but nowhere near this bad
[19:51] <Sierra> The server still responded back then, at least
[19:52] <RoyK> Sierra: I'd try with reducing the maximum processes forked by apache
[19:53] <RoyK> Sierra: 2GB isn't a lot if a webserver is under stress
[19:54] <Sierra> Royk: Not certain how to do that. Google search came up with things that seem irrelevant
[19:54] <RoyK> Sierra: set MaxClients to 50 or something - perhaps less - under <IfModule mpm_prefork_module>
[19:54] <RoyK> in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[19:56] <RoyK> Sierra: it certainly looks like a truckload of connections to your webserver that's killing it
[19:57] <RoyK> Sierra: change that - stop apache and start it again - don't just do a reload
[19:58] <Sierra> Would help if the router wouldnt keep disconnecting my laptop
[20:01] <sarnold> Sierra: are you under constant ddos attack or something?
[20:02] <Sierra> I have no idea, sure as hell hope not >.<
[20:02] <Sierra> Just randomly started up yesterday or the day before
[20:02] <sarnold> Sierra: netstat -tun  might be useful to determine what's going on..
[20:03] <Sierra> Well the server didnt even last 2 minutes before I lost access again.. -headdesks-
[20:04] <RoyK> Sierra: after changing the apache conf?
[20:04] <RoyK> Sierra: looks like a DDoS to me
[20:04] <Sierra> I didn't even get so far as to restart apache to load the new config
[20:04] <Sierra> So how do I explain what a DDoS attack is to a boss that knows nothing about networking and will probably think its an excuse?
[20:05] <Sierra> XD
[20:05] <RoyK> Sierra: what sort of content is on this website? Have you offended some people? ;)
[20:05] <kklimonda> contact your ISP asking them to route the ddos to /dev/null? ;)
[20:06] <sarnold> Sierra: if it is a DDOS, your ISP can help immensely. give them a call.
[20:06] <sarnold> Sierra: they'll probably be happy to help even if you haven't yet figured out what exactly is going on, they'll probably be able to tell in a few seconds if it is network related or not :)
[20:06] <Sierra> RoyK: It's a series of front end wordpress websites for a united states tax efiling company
[20:06] <sarnold> Sierra: .. in the middle of august. heh.
[20:06] <Sierra> Yeah.
[20:07] <Sierra> Thats whats got me wondering. Plus, when tax season hit, it was nowhere near this bad
[20:10]  * Sierra is just the programmer that writes the web code :(
[20:10] <Sierra> And manages the server
[20:11] <kklimonda> heh, that's pretty painful position to be in.
[20:11] <kklimonda> I'm now trying to train some of my webdevs in the old work to manage servers, and it's not going well :(
[20:12] <Sierra> Welp, gonna have to see if the datacenter can help with this. That's the only contact I have (That will recognize me as authorized to discuss such issues)
[20:13] <Sierra> My supervisor's on a week long vacation. So this is fun XD
[20:13] <kklimonda> yeah, definitely give them a call if you think it's network related
[20:14] <Sierra> Already done, they're going to have another guy call me back
[20:17] <RoyK> Sierra: better give that VM another few gigs of memory, for a start, and move the database to a dedicated server
[20:17] <Sierra> RoyK: It's not a VM, it's running on a physical server that my supervisor provided
[20:18] <Sierra> Sitting on a rack at a datacenter
[20:18] <RoyK> Sierra: a physical server with 2GB of memory?!?
[20:18] <Sierra> Yeah.
[20:18] <Sierra> I brought that up, was told to just do it
[20:18] <Sierra> 'This server ran perfectly fine before'
[20:18] <RoyK> Sierra: my home server has 16GB :P
[20:19] <Sierra> My personal VM has 512MB XD
[20:19] <Sierra> And runs better than that damn thing does.
[20:19] <Sierra> Even when its not having this issue
[20:19] <RoyK> Sierra: again - start out with decreasing the number of apache processes
[20:20] <RoyK> Sierra: if you get access to that thing :P
[20:20] <Sierra> I did manage to get the change made to the file
[20:20] <Sierra> The server just kinda.. Died before I could get the apache2 restart out
[20:21] <RoyK> Sierra: do you have some remote control?
[20:21] <RoyK> Sierra: remote console?
[20:21] <Sierra> SSH terminal is my normal method, but that immediately responds with 'Server closed the connection unexpectedly' now
[20:22] <RoyK> Sierra: most servers have iDRAC or something like that in them, which works well if it's configured correctly
[20:22] <Sierra> There was /supposed/ to be a newer server with better hardware setup, but that never actually happened
[20:22] <RoyK> IMHO psycial servers should only be used for special purposes :P
[20:22] <RoyK> (such as VM hosts)
[20:23] <RoyK> we even run our database servers virtualized - it works
[20:23] <Sierra> The issue there is getting my boss (Not the same person as my supervisor) to actually pay for the hardware
[20:23] <RoyK> heh
[20:23] <Sierra> Whenhe's convinced that what we have has been working so if it stops working I can fix it
[20:23] <RoyK> then let the system die and tell your boss why it died
[20:24] <qman__> Yeah, I've had servers lock up from improperly tuned apache maxclients, that's probably the situation
[20:25] <qman__> Fortunately mine were all VMs, connect to hypervisor, hit ctrl+alt+del or reset
[20:25] <RoyK> qman__: wrong answer - servers like these should be virtulised
[20:25] <Sierra> RoyK: Sadly, that may result in loss of a job
[20:26] <qman__> Retune apache, hope for the best
[20:26] <RoyK> Sierra: not if you play your cards correctly - you can't maintain a server with too little resources
[20:26] <qman__> And yes, they should all be virtualized, no reason not to
[20:26] <Sierra> Tbh, if I was actually paid enough, I'd have probably just upgraded the hardware myself
[20:26] <Sierra> But I'm not paid enough for that. :<
[20:27] <qman__> Running hardware incapable of virt in prod is inexcusable today
[20:28] <Sierra> To be fair... I dont think running everything on VMs is a good idea anyway. Head honchos get confused enough with this older stuff as it is
[20:28] <Sierra> And they insist everything I do be something they can understand how to us
[20:28] <Sierra> >.<
[20:28] <Sierra> There's so many things that could be done better if I just had free reign to get it done right
[20:28] <qman__> Its easier to ask forgiveness than permission
[20:29] <qman__> If you do it right and prove it works, that normally solves the problem
[20:29] <Sierra> Tried that once. They had me go and redo it the way they wanted
[20:29] <qman__> Otherwise, its time to job hunt
[20:29] <Sierra> Ohhh I've been tempted
[20:30] <Sierra> If my dad's livelihood didn't depend on this business staying alive, I'd probably be working toward IT at MAcy's. Family friend works there, and has said I'd be great with them (I've even gone with him a couple times as an intern of sorts)
[20:31] <RoyK> Sierra: I've talked to people running large-scale Oracle databases virtualised - they work
[20:32] <RoyK> Sierra: running a webserver on physical stuff isn't good
[20:32] <Sierra> What I really want to do is make a living building custom PCs. I enjoy that, it's like super fancy legos
[20:32] <RoyK> Sierra: also - separate the webserver from the database server
[20:33] <RoyK> Sierra: a database server have different needs than an apache server - apache+php may need some RAM, but rarely I/O, unless access takes off and it starts swapping
[20:33] <qman__> Yep
[20:35] <Sierra> Well, got this from the datacenter
[20:35] <Sierra> I have verified with one of our network engineers and we cannot see any indication from your current network usage that would indicate a DDoS from a networking standpoint.  Network activity has spiked, but within norms of the historical data.
[20:36] <qman__> Yeah, an improperly tuned server can choke on just normal heavy load, or even a security scanner or web crawler hitting everything
[20:36] <Sierra> Hm... On a random note
[20:36] <Sierra> The server's not getting massive resource hits
[20:39] <Sierra> Someone recommended a command earlier to check network usages, but I've forgotten what it was.. netstats something or other?
[20:41] <Sierra> Found it, netstat -tun
[20:42] <Sierra> Is there a way to have a certain command run when memory usage hits a certain number, say, 1024MB?
[20:42] <Sierra> Hm...
[20:43] <Sierra> I'm seeing a lot of conenctions from a single IP address with random ports
[20:44] <sudormrf> Hey guys, I would like to install intel graphics drivers to my NUC running ubuntu server.  I am not sure which package in the repos I should use.  any suggestions?
[20:45] <RoyK> Sierra: just block that - iptables -I <that ipaddress> -J DROP
[20:45] <Sierra> RoyK: Not sure if that's normal or not for a webserver, though
[20:46] <sudormrf> Sierra, setup fail2ban
[20:46] <sudormrf> that way you don't need to do this manually
[20:46] <Sierra> Ok looks like what I was seeing might be norma... Loaded up the website, clicked a couple pages, and now my ip address shows up with the same thing
[20:47] <Sierra> Isnt fail2ban for failed logins?
[20:47] <qman__> Yes
[20:47] <RoyK> Sierra: you can use it for all sorts of things
[20:48] <sudormrf> Sierra, I use it to block IPs all the time
[20:48] <sudormrf> Sierra, what RoyK said
[20:48] <sudormrf> I have it looking at the syslog for a certain output and then it blocks the IP it finds in that output
[20:49] <qman__> The out of the box config only does SSH logins IIRC but it is very configurable
[20:49] <qman__> I have it set up on an asterisk box
[20:50]  * RoyK uses astersk or wind whenever someone points guns at him
[20:50]  * RoyK uses astersk or windows whenever someone points guns at him
[20:51] <qman__> That's basically the situation here, inherited a mess, made it work
[20:51] <sudormrf> qman__, I believe you are correct.  I have it setup to block a specific type of entry.  was noticing a bunch of easter european IPs trying to do stuff
[20:51] <sudormrf> so I stopped them
[20:51] <sudormrf> first I blocked entire IP ranges for those regions...and then some sites stopped working lol
[20:51] <sudormrf> had to scale back
[20:55] <qman__> This asterisk server is completely integrated into the ticketing system and email system, so any change is going to be very involved
[20:57] <qman__> Email system is an unmaintainable disaster, too
[20:57] <RoyK> qman__: is asterisk so full of (some word not allowed on this channel) as earlier?
[20:59] <qman__> Yeah, asterisk is...appropiately named
[21:00] <RoyK> :P
[21:03] <qman__> One of the email servers is running debian etch, and someone decided it'd be a good idea to install random lenny packages, so now its totally non-upgradeable, can't install or remove software
[21:04] <qman__> It sits in the middle of the relay path with a custom LDAP+postfix integration that doesn't work in newer versions
[21:06] <genii> RoyK: I find that wind was more apt, since they are a fairly crappy cell provider company
[21:12] <teward> is it possible to configure BIND9, when it acts as a caching/forwarder server, to NOT go hunting for authoritative nameservers to go get data from?  It appears to do this in all cases...
[21:13] <teward> (this is all bind9 on Ubuntu Server boxes, hence me asking here)
[21:14] <RoyK> teward: DNS is pretty straight-forward - you configure the SOA and it says how long things can be cached
[21:14] <teward> RoyK, i have it only configured as a forwarder, i.e. it forwards all requests to <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> (google DNS).
[21:15] <teward> BUT, it also is reaching to the root nameservers, then the ccTLD/gTLD nameservers, etc. until it hits one for an authoritative answer
[21:15] <teward> trying to figure out if there's a way to disable that
[21:15] <qman__> Remove the root hints
[21:16] <qman__> It can't ask root servers if it doesn't know what they are
[21:17] <sarnold> qman__: haha
[21:17] <sarnold> teward: look around for a setting that might be "forward only" or "don't recurse" or similar
[21:30] <RoyK> I have finally discovered what's wrong with my brain; On the left side, there's nothing right, on the right side, there's nothing left!
[21:52] <Sierra> Ok so ufw is proving to just not work. I've blocked an ip address, and netstat -tun is still showing that ip addresses all over the place... Is there a better option for blocking specific IP addresses
[22:02] <sarnold> Sierra: probably ufw block rules won't affect already established connections; you can either kill the process that has those sockets open (netstat -tunp can help) or you can nullroute the address, ip route add blackhole <ipaddr>
[22:06] <Patrickdk> ufw uses conntrack
[22:06] <Patrickdk> conntrack will keep existing open :)
[22:06] <Patrickdk> use conntrack tool to fix it
[22:07] <sarnold> "conntract tool"?
[22:07] <sarnold> ah you can see how my fingers work..
[22:18] <YamakasY> are there some good preseed guys in here ?


[14:42] <foo> Can I delete stuff in /var/log/journal? I've got 4G in there
[14:45] <rfm> foo, I think the approved way is to run one of the "journalctl --vacuum-..." commands, like "journalctl --vacuum-size=1G:
[14:46] <foo> rfm: ohh, I've never ran that before
[14:46] <rfm> foo, well, neither have I, but I read about it in the docs
[14:48] <rfm> foo, you can also tune the parms in /etc/systemd/journald.conf to control the auto vacuuming, but it might be better to actually look at the logs and see if there's something spewing out lots of messages and fix that
[14:49] <foo> rfm: ohhh, good idea.
[14:51] <foo> rfm: when you say "look at the logs" are we talking about logs in /var/log/journal/ or syslog ? Probably the former
[14:52] <rfm> foo, yeah, journalctl to display the journal logs, since that's the place you're filling up.. though the syslog files probably duplicate the same info
[14:54] <rfm> foo, I keep thinking I should reconfigure syslog not to keep the /var/log/*.log to stop the duplication, but have never got around to it
[14:56] <foo> rfm: we've got a cron job that runs every minute. It looks like every minute it generates 6 lines in the journal log. Fast forward to years of running this... and that might explain my 4G of data in here :)
[15:03] <rfm> fpo, looks like the default size for auto vacuum is 4G, so I guess any system that runs long enough will get there.  Probably worth trying to figure out how to make that cron job only put out messages if something goes wrong, just to cut down then noise.  I think cron jobs always log at least a couple messages, though. Maybe a systemd timer unit would be quieter?
[15:53] <foo> rfm: thanks, interesting. Will have to investigate. Appreciate the sounding board, thank you. :)