[20:21] <_9-bit> i was under the impression it would run pretty slow on that
[20:21] <usr13> _9-bit: vbox is pretty amazing.
[20:21] <_9-bit> although broodwar takes almost no cpu
[20:21] <BadK1tty> broodwar ran on a pII
[20:21] <usr13> _9-bit: It is an online game?
[20:21] <_9-bit> yes
[20:21] <_9-bit> well you play it online, it's not a browser game
[20:21] <BadK1tty> what cpu do you have
[20:22] <_9-bit> i can't remember offhand
[20:22] <usr13> _9-bit: What is your CPU and how much RAM do you have?
[20:22] <_9-bit> i3 i think
[20:22] <_9-bit> 1 gig ddr3
[20:22] <BadK1tty> omg that should be childs play for broodwar
[20:22] <_9-bit> yeah
[20:22] <_9-bit> i'm saying through virtual box though
[20:23] <_9-bit> i'm assuming that will be cpu intensive
[20:23] <usr13> _9-bit: I would want 2G +  for vbox
[20:23] <_9-bit> ok
[20:23] <_9-bit> so, check out wine, if that doesn't work delete the partitions
[20:23] <_9-bit> and then install
[20:24] <usr13> or use vbox
[20:24] <usr13> 3 options
[20:24] <_9-bit> ok
[20:24] <_9-bit> thanks guys
[20:24] <BadK1tty> well starcraft installer is workin
[20:24] <_9-bit> hm
[20:25] <titi> tigue.no-ip.fr
[20:27] <ulrichard> Hi, when logging in, I get no more bars at the top and left. At the moment I have to resort to ctrl+alt+t and then start the applications I want from the terminal. How can I fix unity?
[20:27] <Dr_Willis> ulrichard:  try making a new user. see if it works properly for the newly made user
[20:27] <BadK1tty> just had starcraft running in ubuntu
[20:27] <Dr_Willis> ulrichard:  if so - then its a  user setting problem.
[20:27] <BadK1tty> so im sure broodwar will work
[20:27] <_9-bit> try downloading the iccup launcher
[20:29] <ulrichard> It works when my wife logs in, and it used to work earlier today. I only copied some small files, then  locked the screen with ctrl+alt+L.  When I came back, the bars were gone.
[20:29] <usr13> _9-bit: Make sure your system is fully updated.
[20:29] <usr13> _9-bit: What version of Ubuntu is it?
[20:30] <usr13> _9-bit: From a terminal window   cat /etc/issue
[20:31] <racho> ulrichard: log in as your user. i suppose you can open a terminal. run 'dconf reset -f /org/compiz' and then 'unity --reset-icons &disown'
[20:31] <_9-bit> ok
[20:31] <_9-bit> it's logging in right now
[20:31] <BadK1tty> even the staredit program works i have it up now
[20:32] <usr13> _9-bit: If I had to guess, I'd say 12.04.
[20:34] <valiant2ex> hi can someone help me install a printer? it's urgent i need it for my fantasy draft
[20:35] <usr13> valiant2ex: firefox localhost:631
[20:35] <valiant2ex> i tried that and it's showing 4 of the same printer
[20:35] <valiant2ex> on the network
[20:36] <usr13> valiant2ex:  Yes  firefox localhost:631
[20:36] <valiant2ex> do i just choose any of the 4?
[20:36] <usr13> valiant2ex:  Alt-F2  firefox localhost:631
[20:36] <usr13> Oh, printers?
[20:36] <valiant2ex> yeah i shows 4 printers but they all have the same name
[20:36] <usr13> valiant2ex: I don't know about the printers you have....
[20:37] <usr13> valiant2ex: what name?
[20:37] <niftylettuce> [ERROR] failed to set file mode for PDF file cups
[20:37] <valiant2ex> Brother HL-2270DW series (Brother HL-2270DW series)
[20:37] <valiant2ex> Brother HL-2270DW series (Brother HL-2270DW series)
[20:37] <valiant2ex> Brother HL-2270DW series (Brother HL-2270DW series)
[20:37] <valiant2ex> Brother HL-2270DW series (Brother HL-2270DW series)
[20:37] <FloodBot1> valiant2ex: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:37] <niftylettuce> can anyone help? I have apparmor removed and it continually gives me this error
[20:37] <niftylettuce> cups-pdf that is
[20:37] <niftylettuce> properties seem to be correct
[20:37] <usr13> valiant2ex: yea, doesn't matter.  The first one is ok
[20:37] <valiant2ex> ok
[20:38] <valiant2ex> what happens if the driver isn't on the list?
[20:38] <usr13> valiant2ex: (If that is, in fact, (your printer).
[20:38] <niftylettuce> full error is  failed to set file mode for PDF file (non fatal)
[20:38] <usr13> valiant2ex: Sould already be selected.
[20:38] <Alviur> Hi, Did you get this error before?  unable to locate package after sudo apt-get install
[20:39] <valiant2ex> usr13 what if your printer is not on the list? is there a generic driver that can be used?
[20:39] <ulrichard> racho: that lost the bars at the top of the windows with the small buttons to close,maximize,minimize.  and gave the following warning:
[20:39] <ulrichard> racho: compiz (decor) - Warn: No default decoration found, placement will not be correct
[20:40] <usr13> valiant2ex: If it is not on the list, go to brother.com
[20:40] <racho> ulrichard: are you still in the terminal?
[20:40] <Lisa_> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 to my new hard drive. I've created the partitions (/dev/sdb1/ ext4 /.  And /dev/sdb5 ext4 /usr/local. ) an selected /dev/sdb as the boot loader install. My problem is that the install now Button can't be selected. What am I missing?
[20:40] <usr13> valiant2ex: But it *should* be there.
[20:41] <valiant2ex> ok im looking for it right now
[20:41] <valiant2ex> ty
[20:41] <racho> ulrichard: after running previous commands logout using 'gnome-session-quit'
[20:41] <BadK1tty> broodwar works fine except when exiting
[20:41] <racho> ulrichard: log back in and report the situation
[20:41] <usr13> valiant2ex: It is a pretty long list, and it should already be highlighted.  "HL-2270DW"  Right?
[20:41] <_9-bit> i'm installing it right now
[20:41] <_9-bit> with wine
[20:41] <_9-bit> wish me luck
[20:41] <BadK1tty> and all it does is resize my windows
[20:42] <valiant2ex> yeah it's not there
[20:42] <ulrichard> racho: yes, I had to reboot as keyboard input didn't work after I tried your command the first time. I mean on the desktop windows. The ctrl+alt+6  terminal always worked
[20:42] <BadK1tty> game plays though
[20:42] <BadK1tty> ill check my wine version
[20:42] <_9-bit> k
[20:43] <usr13> valiant2ex: Are you sure?  It should just load right up.  Shouldn't really have to do anything much.
[20:43] <Dr_Willis> Lisa_:  you dident define a swap partition?
[20:43] <racho> ulrichard: ok let it boot up and let's see if unity can load the compiz plugins
[20:43] <Dr_Willis> Lisa_:  why are you using a seperate partion for /usr/local ?
[20:44] <valiant2ex> yeah i dont see it on the list
[20:44] <niftylettuce> can anyone help w/my cups pdf issue?
[20:44] <valiant2ex> just kidding
[20:44] <valiant2ex> lool
[20:44] <valiant2ex> i just found it
[20:44] <ulrichard> racho: no, it's still the same
[20:44] <BadK1tty> installing the wine windows program loader helps too
[20:45] <Alviur> hi
[20:45] <usr13> valiant2ex: Set as server default
[20:45] <racho> ulrichard: ok try the commands again but after the decorators disappear run 'gnome-session-quit' from the graphical env
[20:46] <usr13> valiant2ex: Print test page
[20:46] <racho> ulrichard: do not go to another terminal
[20:46] <valiant2ex> ok lets try it
[20:47] <usr13> valiant2ex: (If you set as "Server Default", you'll be able to print from CLI as well.)
[20:47] <ulrichard> racho: is the & in front of the disown correct?
[20:47] <valiant2ex> hmm
[20:47] <racho> ulrichard: yes unity --reset-icons &disown
[20:47] <valiant2ex> no paper is coming out of it
[20:47] <valiant2ex> 1 second
[20:47] <BadK1tty> i have wine 1.4.1 so its the native wine that comes with ubuntu 13.04
[20:48] <racho> ulrichard: if input disappears try Ctrl-C and then type 'gnome-session-quit'
[20:48] <usr13> valiant2ex: Maybe it is one of those "paper eating" printers?
[20:48] <valiant2ex> lol
[20:48]  * BadK1tty cringe
[20:48] <BadK1tty> fuuny
[20:49] <usr13> BadK1tty: apt-cache policy wine
[20:49] <BadK1tty> for what babe
[20:49] <usr13> terminal
[20:50] <BadK1tty> ya lost me
[20:50] <usr13> BadK1tty: To find out what is the current version of wine for your system, open terminal, type  apt-cache policy wine  hit Enter
[20:51] <valiant2ex> usr13 yeah on my computer  it says "printing complete" but nothing came out of the printer
[20:51] <BadK1tty> ah well thank i also found it on the FAQ on wineHQ site, i typed "wine --version" worked
[20:51] <usr13> BadK1tty: Maybe I missunderstand you. You said, "i have wine 1.4.1 so its the native wine that comes with ubuntu 13.04"  ?
[20:52] <BadK1tty> was tellin 9bit what ver i installed broodwar on
[20:52] <usr13> BadK1tty: (There was no punctuation and so I'm not sure if it was a statement or question.
[20:52] <BadK1tty> thanks for the assist though guess theres more than one way to find the version
[20:53] <BadK1tty> np
[20:53] <usr13> valiant2ex: lpq
[20:54] <valiant2ex> Brother_HL-2270DW_series is ready
[20:54] <valiant2ex> no entries
[20:54] <valiant2ex> lpq -l
[20:54] <valiant2ex> opps
[20:54] <usr13> valiant2ex: lpr  #Hit enter, type, "test" #Hit enter, or Ctrl-d
[20:55] <chaotic_good> what is ubuntu way of starting / stopping an app?
[20:55] <ulrichard> racho: I lost keyboard input again and had to reboot from another terminal. ctrl+c didn't help
[20:55] <chaotic_good> redhat does "service mysqld stop"
[20:55] <chaotic_good> for example
[20:55] <bekks> chaotic_good: Do you mean programs or daemons?
[20:55] <chaotic_good> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[20:55] <chaotic_good> lke that?
[20:55] <ulrichard> racho: I assume sudo is not required for any of this?
[20:56] <chaotic_good> yeah daemons
[20:56] <chaotic_good> mysql n stuff
[20:56] <FloodBot1> chaotic_good: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:56] <bekks> !upstart | chaotic_good
[20:56] <fiddler> hi
[20:56] <fak3r> chaotic_good: if you use the intit.d script, ubuntu will 'remind' you can you should use sudo service apache2 stop
[20:56] <fak3r> chaotic_good: but debian will not, so either ways 'work'
[20:56] <racho> ulrichard: no. it is your user settings so you should run the commands under your user
[20:56] <valiant2ex> usr13 it says printing complete but nothing came out of the printer
[20:57] <usr13> valiant2ex: lpq
[20:57] <fiddler> someone has a minute? i need a bit of help
[20:57] <valiant2ex> Brother_HL-2270DW_series is ready
[20:57] <valiant2ex> no entries
[20:57] <valiant2ex> i think CUPS thinks there are more than 1 printer in my network
[20:57] <valiant2ex> but there is only 1?
[20:58] <racho> ulrichard: i had the same problem last night and basically lost half an hour but it worked. difference is i could still enter commands in the terminal
[20:58] <usr13> valiant2ex: What does lpq say?
[20:58] <usr13> valiant2ex: Is it a network printer?
[20:58] <wile-Nile> fiddled just state the issue if you have not
[20:58] <valiant2ex> how can you tell if its a network printer :x
[20:58] <valiant2ex> its a wireless printer lol
[20:58] <valiant2ex> i installed the drivers on a window machine
[20:58] <usr13> valiant2ex: How is it connected?
[20:59] <fiddler> sorry?
[20:59] <valiant2ex> its connected via wireless
[20:59] <usr13> valiant2ex: Is it connected to the router via ethernet .... Oh.. wireless?
[20:59] <valiant2ex> i installed brother printer through CD on a windows machine, but i completely uninstalled windows
[20:59] <valiant2ex> and now i gotta set up printing
[20:59] <_9-bit_> hey
[20:59] <_9-bit_> so i downloaded starcraft, and i'm trying to open it with wine
[21:00] <_9-bit_> but when i do "open with" and then select wine,  nothing happens
[21:00] <usr13> valiant2ex: Well, I  don't know.... you just have to find it.  Problem is, if it is not set to  a static IP, you could have problems.  What I would do is set it up for a perminate lease on the router.
[21:00] <_9-bit_> anyone know what i should do?
[21:01] <usr13> valiant2ex: Some wifi priters are access directly from PC to printer, (I suppose it is an AdHoc connection).  If that is the case, I don't know, you will have to ask someone else.
[21:01] <valiant2ex> usr13 okay I'll do what I can thanks for the help
[21:01] <valiant2ex> ic
[21:01] <wile-Nile> _9-bit there is a #wine channel.if needed
[21:01] <BadK1tty> http://www.howforge.com/how-to-play-starcraft-on-ubuntu-edgy
[21:01] <_9-bit_> ok, i'll try that
[21:01] <BadK1tty> thats a good link right there
[21:01] <_9-bit_> just nothing happens at all, nothing opens or crashes
[21:02] <usr13> valiant2ex: My printers are just connected to router via Ethernet Cables and I have them set up for perminant lease on the router.
[21:02] <_9-bit_> ok i'll check that out
[21:02] <BadK1tty> you probably need the windows program loader for wine
[21:02] <valiant2ex> well the printer works on the other laptop
[21:02] <BadK1tty> go to the ubuntu software center and install it
[21:02] <valiant2ex> it's just getting this laptop to detect the printer
[21:02] <racho> _9-bit_: start starcraft with wine from the command line. if there are any errors they'll show up there
[21:02] <valiant2ex> it sees it on the network, but strangely it can't print from it lol
[21:03] <_9-bit_> i'm not familiar with the  command line
[21:03] <_9-bit_> i'm assuming i will have to move into the directory with starcraft in it
[21:03] <_9-bit_> how do i open it at that point?
[21:03] <BadK1tty> well no offense but you better its the future!
[21:03] <ulrichard> racho: I loose input about every second time. I just did the whole thing again as you wrote. But the behavior after logging in is still the same. The bars are missing.
[21:03] <BadK1tty> :) big smiles
[21:03] <_9-bit_> i'm sure it is
[21:03] <BadK1tty> its not that hard really
[21:03] <usr13> valiant2ex: I don't know.  I do know how to set up a network printer, but as I said, some of the WiFi printers do some sort of ad-hoc connection to each individual PC that prints to it and I don't know how that works.
[21:04] <wile-Nile> Valiant
[21:04] <valiant2ex> ic
[21:04] <BadK1tty> instead of using the gui all the time to install stuff look for the command line install pages you'll get used to using it quick
[21:04] <valiant2ex> it's okay thanks for taking the time to help though usr13
[21:04] <valiant2ex> yes wile-Nile?
[21:04] <wile-Nile> Have you checked that printer on the web with ubuntu
[21:05] <BadK1tty> the guake terminal is nice though i like it
[21:05] <racho> ulrichard: mmm..put all the commands in a bash file and then the next time you log in just execute it. if all is well it should log you out and fix you problem
[21:05] <wile-Nile> Sorry smart phone fumbling
[21:05] <usr13> wile-Nile: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Brother/Brother-HL-2270DW
[21:05] <valiant2ex> ah yes i am going to do some research on it right now
[21:05] <usr13> valiant2ex: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Brother/Brother-HL-2270DW
[21:06] <HouseLegend> Hello, can anyone please help me setup 5.1 sound in ubuntu 13.04 ?
[21:06] <valiant2ex> usr13 CUPS and lpd are the same thing?
[21:06] <usr13> valiant2ex: Yes
[21:07] <wile-Nile> valiant2ex multi printers are problematic at times, have you checked the printers app?
[21:08] <usr13> valiant2ex: cups - common unix printing system daemon
[21:09] <usr13> valiant2ex: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu
[21:09] <valiant2ex> ok
[21:09] <usr13> valiant2ex: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers
[21:11] <HouseLegend> Hello, can anyone please help me setup 5.1 sound in ubuntu 13.04 ?
[21:11] <Wardlee> Hi i need help with ubuntu 12.04
[21:11] <usr13> valiant2ex: http://askubuntu.com/questions/226307/how-to-install-a-brother-hl2270dw-laser-printer
[21:11] <wile-Nile> Waffles state the issue
[21:11] <usr13> valiant2ex:                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[21:12] <Wardlee> I suppose that was for me xD
[21:12] <wile-Nile> Yeah,sorry
[21:12] <Wardlee> I want to anchor onboard on ubuntu 12.04, but i dont know how. In 13.04 its easy but in 12.04 i really dont know...
[21:12] <Wardlee> No problem Nile :p
[21:13] <BadK1tty> hah broodwar in a mini window how cool
[21:13] <Marlenee> any one here expert in "sed" and "awk" and "grep"
[21:13] <AcidRain2012> wtf. ssh server was just working. now its saying connection refused and i didnt change ANYTHING i just connected, disconnected, attempted to reconnect
[21:13] <wile-Nile> !anyone
[21:15] <Wardlee> Can anyone help me with my "problem" with onboard please?
[21:15] <JesseH> I think someone should add the !help command for ubottu, which tells the person to google it, because people are **** wads about it.
[21:15] <BadK1tty> its hard trin to play this game in a touchpad on t his laptop lol
[21:15] <Marlenee> i need to talk to someone in private for awk and sed and grep
[21:16] <JesseH> Marlenee, PM away friend. Whats the issue/questions/concerns you are having?
[21:16] <MonkeyDust> JesseH  the !google factoid already exists
[21:16] <Marlenee> its for text file i wanna filter some result
[21:17] <Wardlee> Thanks anyway..................
[21:18] <valiant2ex> YES
[21:18] <valiant2ex> usr13 it worked!
[21:18] <valiant2ex> thanks so much
[21:18] <valiant2ex> haha
[21:19] <valiant2ex> the problem was i only installed the cupswrapper not the lpr drivers?
[21:19] <valiant2ex> u need to install both hehe
[21:20] <valiant2ex> usr13 *high five* through irc lol
[21:20] <ulrichard> racho: nothing changed with the commands in the bash script. But I got a warning about something with &disown. Probably not valid bash syntax.
[21:21] <Dr_Willis> it would be  & disown    not &disown   i imagine
[21:22] <HouseLegend> I have a question, do connonical/ubuntu ever plans to update ther sound settings ? Im killing my self to set up 5.1 :S
[21:22] <aPpYe> hi there.  I am screwing around with a minimal KDE install from ubuntu mini.  I am a little confused by the different versions of kwin.  I get that the gles version is compiled without legacy opengl1x stuff, but what is kde-window-manager-active?
[21:22] <MonkeyDust> !details | HouseLegend
[21:23] <JhonnyBoii> hi
[21:23] <JhonnyBoii> anyone help me find an app that can make the launcher more tiny?
[21:24] <JhonnyBoii> im tryin to make it small just like the menu bar
[21:24] <HouseLegend> I have problem with setting up 5.1 sound, im runing ubuntu 13.04, when i try to find it in settings i cant ... I expect it to be able to click and change from stereo to 5.1 :) there
[21:26] <and> Hi guys. Does safe aptitude safe-upgrade?
[21:27] <MonkeyDust> HouseLegend  always start with alsamixer, it's a command in terminal
[21:27] <and> Iupgraded ubuntu. I'ts safe?
[21:27] <HouseLegend> MonkeyDust is there any guide or maybe GUI i can use to get it dont easely ?
[21:27] <BadK1tty> no such thing as safe
[21:28] <and> anybody can help me?
[21:28] <MonkeyDust> HouseLegend  depends on what's the exact sound issue. No sound? White noise? Something else?
[21:28] <MonkeyDust> and  start with a question
[21:28] <Impossible> is installing ar.bz2 files only possible through terminal?
[21:29] <HouseLegend> MonkeyDust, i have sound only on 2 front speakers not on all 5.1 system
[21:29] <BadK1tty> isn't that in system settings?
[21:29] <MonkeyDust> HouseLegend  that's 5 speakers?
[21:29] <mr-rich> Any way to switch the direction of the two finger scroll?
[21:30] <BadK1tty> ubuntu tweak worked for me
[21:30] <HouseLegend> MonkeyDust 6 with subwoofer
[21:31] <LiNkZoR> Hey, can anyone help me get GRUB to load? Currently, it's just skipping over it.
[21:33] <Impossible> can i use CHeckInstall to install tar files?
[21:34] <IdleOne> Sorry about all the mess folks, we should be done now.
[21:34] <Dr_Willis> Impossible:  with SOURCE files - perhaps
[21:35] <ServerTech> I just installed Ubuntu 13.04 32, but no resolution over 1024x768 is being shown. Using Intel internal graphics adapter, GMA xxx.  How do I get it to support larger resolutions (I know the monitor supports 1280x1024 5:4)
[21:35] <MonkeyDust> HouseLegend  maybe ask in #ubuntustudio, it's multimedia dedicated
[21:35] <Apachez> not so nice... if do-release-upgrade fails in the end to update the kernel because there is no room left on /boot the ubuntu installation suddently becaomes a debian installation after reboot
[21:36] <LiNkZoR> I'm yet another person coming here for help with an issue, i've installed ubuntu 13.04, but I can't boot it through the normal way, when I boot up it completely skips over grub and I automatically starts windows
[21:36] <LiNkZoR> and it starts windows* Grub doesn't even show up
[21:36] <Apachez> so dualboot you say?
[21:36] <LiNkZoR> Yea, with windows 8 to start
[21:36] <Apachez> well you must have the grub to write into mbr and shit
[21:37] <Apachez> better if you have separate disks
[21:37] <Apachez> sooo much easier :)
[21:37] <HouseLegend> MonkeyDust noone is responding,
[21:37] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub
[21:37] <and> LiNkZoR:  use ubuntu inside windows with virtual box dude
[21:37] <HouseLegend> Can anyone else help me out with 5.1 sound ? in Unbutu 13.04 ...
[21:37] <and> windows 8 is the enemy of ubuntu
[21:37] <Apachez> use windows inside ubuntu with virtual box dude
[21:37] <LiNkZoR> Grub is installed, If i go into boot options, I can pick ubuntu
[21:37] <MonkeyDust> HouseLegend  you waited only a few seconds, repeat your question every 10-15 minutes or so, until someone can help
[21:37] <Dr_Willis> LiNkZoR:  which boot options?
[21:38] <LiNkZoR> pressing f9 during start I think it is, ubuntu shows up
[21:38] <HouseLegend> MokneyDust i will see if anyone else here knows ...
[21:38] <Dr_Willis> LiNkZoR:  thats the windows bootloader stuff? You did a WUBI install inside windows?
[21:38] <Dr_Willis> F9 here - is the bios/pick a hard drive option - i belive.
[21:38] <LiNkZoR> No, I installed from a flash drive, used liveusb to install it to the flashdrive
[21:39] <Mace268> is there a good cli ftp client that will get recursively?
[21:39] <LiNkZoR> the one with the flower for a logo
[21:39] <Dr_Willis> LiNkZoR:  so you select the flash drive via the F9 bios option and it boots to the grub menu and you can get to linux?
[21:39] <LiNkZoR> No, not the flash drive, there is an entry there that says ubuntu, i click on that and THEN it loads grub
[21:39] <HouseLegend> Dr_Willis, when you are talking about grub already is there any config where i can set it up to boot windows insted of ubuntu atumaticaly ?
[21:40] <and> well thanks Mark for Ubuntu
[21:40] <Dr_Willis> LiNkZoR:  sounds tome like its showing the Ubuntu Flash drive. and it loads grub. which would be normal
[21:40] <and> Ubuntu is for normal humans
[21:40] <LiNkZoR> Flash drive isn't even in
[21:41] <Dr_Willis> LiNkZoR:   then you got us confused. You  just said you installed to the flash drive.. or do you mean you  did a NORMAL install to the hard drive. via a USB-Flash drive.
[21:41] <LiNkZoR> I did a normal install to the hard drive, via flash drive
[21:41] <abrkn> is there a trick to initctl to start if not started else restart?
[21:41] <Dr_Willis> LiNkZoR:  so how many hard drives do you have internally? just 1?
[21:41] <LiNkZoR> Yes
[21:41] <LiNkZoR> Only one
[21:42] <Dr_Willis> No idea what your 'F9' menu is showing then. Unless its the bios showing the bootable partitions.
[21:42] <LiNkZoR> I think that is what it is showing
[21:42] <Dr_Willis> You could try booting to your ubuntu install. and trying the boot-repair tool or the grub tools to install grub to the MBR of the hard drive (sda) and it should boot that automatically
[21:43] <Dr_Willis> or just do it like you got now. :) you got a Hidden OS no one will find. ;P
[21:43] <LiNkZoR> Here is what shows up http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c01443326
[21:44] <iceroot_> is multiarch enabled autoamticly on 13.04 amd64? or is it needed to add i386 to the multiarch?
[21:45] <aPpYe> so no one can tell me the difference between the different versions of kwin?  kwin gles, kwin active gles,  ...
[21:45] <LiNkZoR> I've used boot repair on the partition I made, is it safe to use it on the SDA1 or what it's called? I had made a seperate partition just for it
[21:45] <iceroot_> aPpYe: #kubuntu #kde
[21:46] <wilee-nilee> LiNkZoR, bootrepair has multiple repair possibilities, post the generated url of the bootinfo summary and explain the issues your having.
[21:46] <Dr_Willis> LiNkZoR:  you install grub to the mbr of 'sda' normally, not sda1
[21:46] <Dr_Willis> or sda2 or sda3 :) those are partitions
[21:47] <LiNkZoR> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6034301/ this is the last boot repair I tried
[21:47] <LiNkZoR> Grub does not show up doing booting
[21:47] <ServerTech> I just installed Ubuntu 13.04 32, but no resolution over 1024x768 is being shown. Using Intel internal graphics adapter, GMA xxx.  How do I get it to support larger resolutions (I know the monitor supports 1280x1024 5:4)
[21:48] <wilee-nilee> LiNkZoR, That is uefi I would use the ubuntu forums, grub will not go to the mbr.
[21:49] <LiNkZoR> I had made a post on the askubuntu.com , should I post somewhere else?
[21:50] <LiNkZoR> If there's not a convienent way to fix it, I guess I could keep it like this, it's still useable and everything
[21:51] <wilee-nilee> LiNkZoR, The ubuntu forums has a mod who specializes in uefi, personally I would go there, here is a thread by them, if you get no help here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[21:51] <Dr_Willis> I dont even have a system with UEFI yet. :() so  other then suggesting making sure grub is on the MBR of 'sda' or checking the bios default boot settings. Not sure what else to say
[21:52] <wilee-nilee> that uefi is a mystery to me. ;)
[21:53] <LiNkZoR> Ahh, well thanks alot guys. I'll take a look on the forums/post there, but atleast I can use ubuntu
[21:56] <LiNkZoR> dr_willis I tried that, it doesn't show up in the Bios, only OS manager does so grub won't star
[21:56] <LiNkZoR> start*
[21:56] <client> Hello warld
[21:56] <Dr_Willis> not even sure what 'os manager' is - unless its some UEFI specific tool for your machine
[21:57] <client> anybody awake here?
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> client:  no. ;)
[21:58] <client> Dr_Willis are you american?
[21:58] <Extreminador> why does the mouse and touchpad does not have a option build in to turn off touchpad when a mouse is plug in ?
[21:58] <Extreminador> *"mouse and touchpad" menu
[21:59] <client> do you want to deactivate the mousepad firmware?
[21:59] <client> I would suggest not doing it, but do you?
[21:59] <Dr_Willis> could proberly be done so via some udev rules.
[21:59] <LiNkZoR> Bye, thanks for the help
[21:59] <Dr_Willis> but if they goofed up. you could be with out a touchpad
[21:59] <Extreminador> firmware client ohhhh
[22:00] <Extreminador> Dr_Willis i did have to downoad a program that do that... and i need to put that program to init
[22:00] <Extreminador> called synaptics or something
[22:01] <Dr_Willis> synapatics is a brand of touch pad. it may have some config tools in the repos
[22:01] <client> Dr_Willis are you american?
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> client:  why does it matter?
[22:02] <client> I need a favour from an american :D
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> good luck with that.
[22:02] <Extreminador> Dr_Willis yup, but my question is why did i had to download the tool... such option should be already exits in ubuntu
[22:02] <Dr_Willis> Extreminador:   ask the gnome devs perhaps?
[22:02] <iceroot_> Extreminador: because not everyone has a touchpoad so why should it be installed bny default?
[22:03] <Extreminador> lool i am sure they are here somewhere no ?
[22:03] <client> oh u not willing to assist?
[22:03] <Dr_Willis> client:  you are basically offtopic. and being vague. so i suggest asking in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:03] <client> ok thanks mate
[22:04] <Extreminador> iceroot_ i am not left-handed but unbuu have that option for mouse
[22:04] <genii> !info gsynaptics
[22:04] <Extreminador> iceroot_ just an example
[22:04] <Dr_Willis> a huge 28kB installed. ;)
[22:05] <Dr_Willis> theres 1000's of things that 'should be installed by default' ;) but then you end up with a 9+GB iso file.
[22:05] <iceroot_> Extreminador: and i want a real editor installed by default but there is no editor installed by default, so thats life and the good thing is you are free to install what you want :)
[22:06] <iceroot_> Extreminador: there is no system which fits all needs with 100%
[22:06] <Extreminador> Dr_Willis i understand that but for example ... it has as well an option to deactivate the touchpah when we are writing on keyboard
[22:06] <iceroot_> Dr_Willis: the main problems are the dependencies
[22:06] <iceroot_> Dr_Willis: it depends on some driver packages and so on, so more then 28kb
[22:07]  * Dr_Willis installs everythibng
[22:07] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[22:07] <Extreminador> humm thougt that it was only 3 or 4 lines of code for this... but yehh iceroot_ you are right
[22:07] <Extreminador> there are many mouses tip's
[22:08] <iceroot_> and we already face issues with a to big iso, the current isos dont fit on a cd
[22:08] <Dr_Willis> then you got people saying 'im using a dvd to burn it to! so Fill that thing up!'
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[22:09] <iceroot_> Dr_Willis: and then it will not fit anymore on a dvd :)
[22:09] <Extreminador> and is that such a big issue iceroot_ ?
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> Then you got Dual Layer DVD ;)  then Blueray
[22:09] <Dr_Willis> not fitting on a cd - was a HUGE issue when it first happened. had people in here every day complaining about it
[22:09] <iceroot_> Extreminador: if you want to use cds, maybe your pc is only able to boot from cd instead of usb, yes
[22:10] <HouseLegend> Anyone has some experience and can help me out with setting up 5.1 in Ubuntu 13.04 ?
[22:10] <Extreminador> i mean in this days cd are being out dated for example and 500GB hard rives are being as well out of date
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> HouseLegend:  from my experience. i just plugged in the speakers..  and played a source/video  that had 5.1 and it worked.
[22:10] <iceroot_> Extreminador: and what is the problem about sudo apt-get install packagename?
[22:10] <Extreminador> well if you know what to look for none
[22:11] <HouseLegend> Dr_Willis, im getting only my front 2 speakers to work ...
[22:11] <iceroot_> Extreminador: there are so many more useful packages which should be installed by default then a mpouse setting thing (vim, screen, openssh-server, gimp)
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> I would like to see a 'common extra packages' cd for ubuntu - to help out these people without internet connection
[22:11] <Extreminador> but if you are new and you don´t know what to look for well...
[22:11] <HouseLegend> Dr_Willis, just stereo channel
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> HouseLegend:  and what sort of sound file are you playing and how are you playing it?
[22:11] <iceroot_> Dr_Willis: the dvd version :)
[22:11] <s2013> i installed sublime text in ubuntu but i cant seem to find it. it only opens up when i type subl in the terminal
[22:11] <HouseLegend> Dr_Willis, mp3 with Rythmbox
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> HouseLegend:  are you sure the mp3 has 5.1 channels?
[22:12] <s2013> how would i find the application and add it to my dock?
[22:12] <HouseLegend> Dr_Willis sound check and in settings it shows only 2 speakers so ...
[22:12] <iceroot_> Extreminador: you are right, its not that easy if you dont know the packagename
[22:12] <iceroot_> Extreminador: but sometimes the search function in the software center is not that bad
[22:12] <Dr_Willis> s2013:  the webupd8 or omgubuntu site. and  I belive askubuntu.com and the sublime forums  - had guides on making a launcher for it.
[22:12] <iceroot_> Extreminador: touchpad config for example should be a useful search string
[22:12] <s2013> i mean i cant even find the actual app
[22:12] <s2013> how do i open it?
[22:13] <Extreminador> iceroot_ very true this ubuntu software center is very nice indeed
[22:13] <peyam> s2013, what is the issue?
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> HouseLegend:  so the system is only showing  stero speakers. Mine showed 5.1 with no setup on my part. but this was a year+ ago.
[22:13] <s2013> i cant find the application to open it
[22:13] <peyam> s2013, opening what?
[22:13] <s2013> sublime text
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> s2013:  id have to refer you to the sublime forums and faq. and docs.
[22:13] <peyam> is it a .txt?
[22:13] <s2013> no
[22:13] <s2013> just applications in genearl
[22:13] <s2013> im new to ubuntu
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> its a text editor people seem tobe goofy about
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[22:13] <jayar> i'm getting the error "only root can mount //servername/sharename on /media/sharename" and i've put the credentials stuff in fstab...
[22:14] <s2013> how do i open an application?
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> s2013:  you just said the binary name was 'subl'
[22:14] <s2013> or create shortcut in desktop/launcher
[22:14] <HouseLegend> Dr_Willis, What should i do ... I have no luck setting it up on my own
[22:14] <s2013> yes
[22:14] <s2013> it works only from terminal
[22:14] <peyam> s2013, just double click on it? what is ur dist specification?
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> s2013:  theres numerous guides out there on making launchers.  (13.10 makes it easier)
[22:14] <s2013> i cannot find it
[22:14] <peyam> s2013, do you use ubuntu 13.04?
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> which subl         will show its path
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> if thats what you are asking.
[22:15] <s2013> the latest one
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/search?tab=votes&q=sublime%20launcher
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> has a lot of info on using sublime
[22:15] <Jake__> Hey, I'm looking into getting a new USB wireless dongle, can you guys tell me what brands I should avoid due to shit driver support(arthos/brodcom) please?
[22:17] <peyam> s2013, Im writing to you in private. check it
[22:17] <Impossible> im rying to arball make and install
[22:17] <s2013> ok
[22:17] <Impossible> why doesnt ./configure work
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  ive bought 3 off amazon. all 3 worked out of the box with no tweaking
[22:17] <Impossible> i am in the directory where extraced
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  i look in the user reviews to see what ones work for linux. Look for reviews by b. bubba  to see my reviews ;)
[22:17] <Smrtz> Dr_Willis, what were they?
[22:17] <Extreminador> guyw how can i change the desktop visual ... for example to put the menu in the middle down part of the monitor
[22:17] <Smrtz> Dr_Willis, thanks
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know if they are still avail. this was last year when i got them.
[22:18] <wilee-nilee> Smrtz, The couple I have bought worked out of the box, you can search on amazon with linux and find ones, ubuntu has a certified wiki on them. Sort of a self search endeavor really.
[22:18] <rooth> Sorry but I'm clearly not understanding locale, I want to change LC_TIME to sv_SE.UTF-8, overriding my default en_US.UTF-8. I've changed the /etc/default/profile and rebooted but running locale in a TERM still gives me en_US.UTF-8.
[22:18] <Smrtz> Ok, thanks wilee-nilee
[22:19] <rooth> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale  <-- Also read through that page and tried the update-locale command.
[22:19] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  heres one -> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003MTTJOY/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[22:19] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  i use that one on my Raspberry Pi.
[22:19] <Smrtz> Dr_Willis, did you just post that to reddit?
[22:19] <rooth> I've ran locale-gen sv_SE.UTF-8.
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> I dont post to reddit
[22:20] <jayar> i'm getting the error "only root can mount //servername/sharename on /media/sharename" and i've put the credentials stuff in fstab...
[22:20] <jayar> any ideas?
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  heres a second -> my fave ->  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006JWMOOI/ref=oh_details_o00_s02_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[22:20] <rooth> Running 13.04 64-bit.
[22:20] <Smrtz> Dr_Willis, I just found this while doing a quick check:  http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/1l7g4x/recommend_a_usb_wireless_dongle/
[22:20] <jrib> jayar: what do you do right before getting that error...?
[22:20] <energizer> A song is playing and i dont know where its coming from. How do i kill it?
[22:20] <jayar> in the file manager, its listed but not mounted, so i click on it to mount it
[22:21] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  and heres the 3rd one i got.. Its ugly. and really is not that much better then #2 ->  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007M7RP6Q/ref=oh_details_o00_s02_i03?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[22:21] <Smrtz> Dr_Willis, great, thanks for all the help.
[22:21] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  all 3 of those have worked for me in Ubuntu out of the box. and even worked on my Linux based  Media-Center devices
[22:21] <Dr_Willis> they may all be using the same chipset. Im not sure.
[22:21] <jrib> !cifs | jayar
[22:22] <jrib> !smb | jayar
[22:22] <jayar> i installed cifs
[22:22] <wilee-nilee> looks like a satellite in space
[22:22] <Orxata_> hi
[22:22] <jayar> and i can mount it manually
[22:22] <jayar> it just wont work on boot
[22:22] <Orxata_> it's ok if I have Sun's jdk and OpenJDK both at the same machine?
[22:22] <jrib> jayar: if it relies on the network being up, you might need to specify that
[22:22] <Orxata_> *Oracle's
[22:24] <somsip> Orxata_: from experience, if you install one, the other will be removed. So you may have to mess about to get both installed, which increases the chance of breaking something
[22:25] <jayar> jrib: maybe i can delay the mount?
[22:25] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  the 2nd one is using this chipset - (i put the info in the review) -> Bus 002 Device 007: ID 148f:3072 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT3072 Wireless Adapter
[22:25] <jrib> jayar: check out the _netdev option
[22:25] <Orxata_> hmm ok
[22:25] <jayar> jrib: ok, thnx
[22:25] <Orxata_> thx somsip
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  and it uses the rt2800 module.
[22:26] <Smrtz> Dr_Willis, Thanks for all the help.  I'm probobly going to go with the first one so the range is smaller.  That way I can get a proof of concept easier.
[22:26] <Smrtz> without haveing them need to be super far apart.
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  that micro dongle is only 150 speed however .
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> but for my Pi it dident matter. ;)
[22:27] <fade_> hello, under software source>install updates from: i can not check any of the sources to get updates from
[22:27] <fade_> any idea how to fix this
[22:27] <HouseLegend> I might be annoying or something but im gonna ask again maybe someone who can help me out joined, Does anyone know how can i set up 5.1 in ubuntu 13.04 ?
[22:28] <Smrtz> Dr_Willis, it's only for a proof of consept for school, so I don't think that'll mater, and it's got to be light, we're putting these on autonomous quadcopters.
[22:28] <wilee-nilee> fade_, You getting errors, not sure I understand?
[22:29] <wilee-nilee> fade_, This a live cd?
[22:29] <fade_> install
[22:30] <wilee-nilee> fade_, which tab is this?
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> Smrtz:  that should work then
[22:30] <fade_> under software sources, its the update tabe
[22:30] <fade_> tab*
[22:30] <wilee-nilee> fade_, Have you run a update yet?
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[22:31] <fade_> yes
[22:31] <wilee-nilee> fade_, Take a screenshot and imagebin it.
[22:31] <Extreminador> is it possible to swith from one workspace to another using the mouse ?
[22:32] <fade_> http://imgur.com/maT05B8
[22:32] <wilee-nilee> Extreminador, yes, what desktop
[22:32] <Extreminador> wilee-nilee the ubuntu one
[22:32] <wilee-nilee> fade_, This is not a guest account right, or a net install?
[22:33] <harris> whats the difference between ubuntu for android and ubuntu touch
[22:33] <fade_> its not a guest account
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> Extreminador, Heh, oh the ubuntu one, you see a panel on the left?
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> fade_, or a net install?
[22:33] <Extreminador> wilee-nilee but i mean using the mouse and with no click like moving the mouse pointer to the fronteir and push to the other workspace
[22:33] <fade_> when i try and check one it ask for root, i enter the password and it still does not check
[22:34] <wilee-nilee> Extreminador, I think you would have to tweak compiz if it does.
[22:35] <Extreminador> humm :(
[22:35] <Extreminador> e17 has that and is quite nice...
[22:36] <wilee-nilee> fade_, Hmm mkine just crashed trying it, I think we have a b ug
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> and my gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list was wiped
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> time for a reboot
[22:39] <rtt5> hi there
[22:41] <RoyK> !ask | rtr-
[22:42] <wilee-nilee> who was having the software sources problem?
[22:44] <benzrf> hi!
[22:44] <benzrf> I have glipper and redshift installed and they work fine, but they don't start up when I log in
[22:44] <Extreminador> not me wilee-nilee, but i am having some issues with toher stuff... in the past 10 min i did send 3 or 4 reports
[22:45] <benzrf> how can I get them to start with my computer?
[22:46] <HouseLegend> Ok i manged to get 5.1 working, it shows as 5.1 and all speakers work on test, but when i play something it dosn't use my subwoofer .... Any ideas ?
[22:51] <figure002> benzrf: search for the tool Startup Applications, and you can use that to add programs that need to be started at startup
[22:52] <HouseLegend> nvm found it
[23:07] <ccmolik> Can anyone in here assist me with creating a pocket in Landscape?
[23:09] <Anonynimity> Hello I'm having an issue with nautilus. I need some help resolving this issue.
[23:10] <Anonynimity> Whenever I go into Downloads, Nautilus automatically closes, but if I go into a different folder, it stays open
[23:10] <Anonynimity> It does this with certain folders, and I cannot determine the cause of this issue.
[23:10] <wilee-nilee> Anonynimity, You ever run in root or in a rooted terminal in it?
[23:11] <Anonynimity> I have not. The closest thing I've come to root is sudo
[23:11] <hexadysmal> 'Ello #ubuntu, I have a silly question. How would I go about actively running multiple programs and switching between them in a TTY? Getting a bit tired of having to kill connections just to check on some things.
[23:11] <Anonynimity> I will not use sudo -i and I will not use sudo -s
[23:11] <Anonynimity> and I have not done so in the past wilee-nilee
[23:12] <wilee-nilee> Anonynimity, what does this command show uname -a
[23:12] <Anonynimity> sec
[23:12] <ccmolik> hexadysmal: screen
[23:12] <ccmolik> or tmux
[23:12] <hexadysmal> ccmolik: Thank you.
[23:13] <Anonynimity> linux (xxxxx) 3.10.0-6-generic #17-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 26 18:32:36 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux @ Wilee-Nilee
[23:14] <alazyworkaholic> Is there any way I can take a screenshot while I'm using a full-screen application that doesn't respond to the "print screen" key? Maybe even dump a frame to a file every 5 seconds?
[23:15] <Anonynimity> Wilee-Nilee : Running ubuntu 13.04 (raring ringtail)
[23:15] <pendos_> Can someone help me figure out why xrandr can't detect my external monitor on my laptop at all? I have an HD intel graphics 4000 graphics card. Thank you!
[23:16] <Anonynimity> Have you tried modprobe pendos_
[23:16] <wilee-nilee> Anonynimity, Try running the stock kernel 3.8
[23:16] <Anonynimity> how do I revert to stock kernel?
[23:16] <wilee-nilee> Anonynimity, grub boot menu
[23:16] <pendos_> I upgraded to 3.10.9
[23:16] <Anonynimity> Raring has been doing this for quite a while. wilee-nilee and since I did an update and auto-remove, the stock kernel is no longer avaliable.
[23:17] <Anonynimity> fml
[23:17] <wilee-nilee> Anonynimity, Thats the only thing that occurs to me.
[23:17] <Anonynimity> but I'm not about to do a fresh install and lose all my data...
[23:17] <Anonynimity> is there another file manager I can use other than dolphin and nautilus?
[23:18] <wilee-nilee> pendos_, What release is this?
[23:19] <wilee-nilee> Anonynimity, Your not backed up?
[23:19] <Anonynimity> backed up with what?
[23:19] <pendos_> Uhm... actually I'm running crunchbang 11, but I thought that maybe any fixes for Ubuntu could also apply to me. everyone on the crunchbang channel is just as baffled as I am.
[23:20] <wilee-nilee> Anonynimity, many different ways.
[23:20] <wilee-nilee> pendos_, not supported here.
[23:20] <Anonynimity> I have 223 gigs of data on this computer, and no external hard drive....
[23:20] <Anonynimity> I don't have any data disks either.
[23:20] <Anonynimity> and I'm pretty sure an online backup isn't going to be offered for free with that much data
[23:21] <wilee-nilee> Anonynimity, Ah, bummer, well things fail, I would be prepared.
[23:21] <IMTheNachoMan> is vnc + ssh port forwarding the best way to access my machine from the internet? is there nothing better available?
[23:22] <Anonynimity> here's the funny thing wilee-nilee: I took my os from 12.04 LTS to 13.04 Beta testing, (had to do a few minor installs and upgrades)...
[23:23] <Anonynimity> after the update to the final release is when the nautilus started acting up
[23:23] <kabamaro> hello, i installed yum on my ubuntu
[23:23] <kabamaro> but i cannot find any packages when i use it
[23:23] <Anonynimity> congrats.
[23:23] <kabamaro> like yum install httpd
[23:23] <kabamaro> No package httpd available.
[23:23] <Orxata_> Is there a way to look which packages where installed by source and which by apt-get?
[23:23] <Anonynimity> try adding the yum repos kabamaro.
[23:23] <wilee-nilee> Anonynimity, don't advise that
[23:24] <qin> kabamaro: yum?
[23:24] <kabamaro> how do i do that Anonynimity
[23:24] <wilee-nilee> kabamaro, yum is fedora that is a mistake
[23:24] <qin> kabamaro: what is wrong eith apt?
[23:24] <kabamaro> root@user-Veriton-B02:~# cat /etc/issue
[23:24] <kabamaro> Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l
[23:24] <kabamaro> root@user-Veriton-B02:~#
[23:24] <Anonynimity> I can't help you any further kabamaro.
[23:24] <kabamaro> apt is no good
[23:24] <kabamaro> im trying apt-get install php
[23:24] <kabamaro> it says no packages found
[23:25] <qin> kabamaro: apt-get upadate?
[23:25] <Orxata_> apt-cache search?
[23:26] <Anonynimity> to view installed packages, try using dpkg --get-selections -v | grep install
[23:26] <wilee-nilee> kabamaro, Lets see if this is correct you have installed yum and your running in root, or have the terminal in root?
[23:26] <kabamaro> terminal
[23:26] <qin> kabamaro: silly: apt-get install php5
[23:27] <wilee-nilee> thats a bad habit
[23:27] <kabamaro> qin thank you sir
[23:27] <kabamaro> thats what i needed
[23:27] <Orxata_> LOL
[23:27] <Anonynimity> or you can use aptitude search '? installed ?not(?automatic)'
[23:27] <qin> kabamaro: and get rid of yum stuff...
[23:27] <ziadingo> Hi, i want to do this http://www.hecticgeek.com/2012/10/make-ubuntu-show-remaining-battery-life-as-a-percentage-tip/ but does'nt work :(
[23:27] <SuperGauntlet> Okay, so right now I'm trying to setup a l2tp VPN and when I connect I get timeouts
[23:28] <SuperGauntlet> However when I had a pptp vpn setup on the same port I did not
[23:28] <RoyK> qin: pipe it through perl or someting
[23:28] <SuperGauntlet> So I don't believe it's an issue of firewalls
[23:28] <RoyK> or sed or awk or python or ....
[23:28] <qin> RoyK: me?
[23:28] <kabamaro> okay now im installing sendmail
[23:28] <kabamaro> i installed it
[23:28] <RoyK> qin: yes
[23:28] <kabamaro> im trying to send an email
[23:28] <kabamaro> it says sent
[23:28] <kabamaro> but its not sending
[23:28] <FloodBot1> kabamaro: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:29] <RoyK> kabamaro: what does mailq say?
[23:29] <kabamaro> what is mailq?
[23:29] <qin> RoyK: not really follow, whatch'yaa mean
[23:29] <RoyK> it's a command that shows the mail queue
[23:31] <SuperGauntlet> Does anyone have any ideas?
[23:32] <elvis4526> hey guys, im pretty stunned with these benchmarks: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/graphics/openarena/
[23:33] <elvis4526> I mean, what the hell how is it possible that you can get an extra of 20 fps approx in some case compared to X ??
[23:33] <SuperGauntlet> elvis4526: i mean X is pretty bad
[23:33] <elvis4526> SuperGauntlet: Yeah, but it's xmir, so it's still xorg underground. Isn't ?
[23:34] <SuperGauntlet> I believe it's an xorg compatability layer, though I'm not sure
[23:34] <alazyworkaholic> Is there a way to get a screenshot of the desktop remotely through a command line?
[23:34] <SuperGauntlet> scrot?
[23:35] <SuperGauntlet> alazyworkaholic: scrot should work
[23:35] <elvis4526> Does mir has an irc channel ?
[23:35] <Orxata_> screen
[23:35] <alazyworkaholic> SuperGauntlet: thanks, but when I try it says "Can't open X display. It *is* running, yeah?"
[23:36] <SuperGauntlet> alazyworkaholic: Yeah, not sure
[23:36] <SuperGauntlet> alazyworkaholic: sorry
[23:37] <alazyworkaholic> SuperGauntlet: any way I can tell scrot to get the screenshot from a given display?
[23:37] <SuperGauntlet> I have no clue, sorry
[23:37] <wilee-nilee> elvis4526, music or desktop?
[23:37] <SuperGauntlet> it might be in the docs
[23:38] <Anonynimity> fffffoooooddddddddd
[23:38] <Anonynimity> and of course, coffee.
[23:38] <alazyworkaholic> Or even just getting it to take pictures every 5 seconds for one minute would work. It has the count feature, but I don't know how to repeat that 20 times.
[23:38] <alazyworkaholic> could a little bash script work?
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> elvis4526, I see #mir but its a music channel of some sort, I think there is a channel on the mir addition to ubuntu though ask in #ubuntu+1
[23:40] <Anonynimity> wilee-nilee know of any free tv apps on ubuntu besides free-tux-tv?
[23:41] <kabamaro> how do i send an email?
[23:41] <Anonynimity> oh yeah, another issue I'm having is my software center automatically closes on me.
[23:41] <Anonynimity> :(
[23:43] <Anonynimity> can anyone help me with software center patch/fix?
[23:44] <kabamaro> im trying to install a php mailer on my website, but its not working
[23:44] <kabamaro> the php source is fine
[23:44] <kabamaro> but its not connecting when i try to submit
[23:45] <kabamaro> network error
[23:45] <kabamaro> not connecting to sendmail
[23:45] <FloodBot1> kabamaro: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:45] <stayonthehustle> kabamaro - have your path setup okay for sendmail?
[23:46] <kabamaro> yes i believe so
[23:51] <genii> kabamaro: What are you using for mail? postfix, exim4, other?
[23:52] <kabamaro> i installed postfix
[23:52] <kabamaro> it worked fine now
[23:52] <kabamaro> thanks
[23:52] <RoyK> kabamaro: heh - postfix is wee bit easier to handle ;)
[23:53] <RoyK> whoever got the idea of using stuff like exif and dash for defaults instead of postfix and bash?


[02:00] <^^chris> hello everyone
[02:00] <^^chris> is there anyone that could help me install xubuntu? I'm running into an odd issue
[02:00] <^^chris> Something I don't normally see when installing linux
[02:02] <holstein> ^^chris: share your issues, and maybe one of the volunteers can help
[02:03] <^^chris> When I go to install (either via cd/dvd or usb via unetbootin, it says 'secure boot not enabled', then just a black screen indefinitely. the 'secure boot not enabled' is common to most distros i install but the black screen is obviously not
[02:03] <^^chris> the machine I'm using is a Lenovo Ideapad U400
[02:03] <holstein> !uefi
[02:04] <holstein> ^^ looks like that is the issue, and it should be for all linux 's
[02:04] <^^chris> thank you, I'll go ahead and read that
[02:05] <sajan> How can I reverse the positions of the two default panels?  I want to move the panel at the top, with the open windows and application menu to the bottom and the launcher dock from the bottom to the top.  I can't seem to find a way to do that from the panel menu and preferences.
[02:07] <Cheri703> sajan: just drag them
[02:09] <sajan> Cheri703: Not to sound like an idiot, but do I need to start the drag from any particular place?  I assume I open the panel preferences, which outlines the panel in red, clicking and dragging doesn't seem to do anything.  Thanks.
[02:09] <Cheri703> ah, one sec
[02:10] <sajan> I unchecked 'Lock Panel' as well.
[02:10] <Cheri703> if you go into "panel preferences" you need to uncheck "lock panel" and little grab handles will show up
[02:10] <Cheri703> it'd be on one of the edges
[02:10] <Cheri703> like far right or left iirc
[02:10] <Cheri703> or both
[02:10] <sajan> Cheri703: Thanks!  I see it.
[02:10] <sajan> That's pretty well hidden, lol.
[02:10] <Cheri703> heh, yeah
[02:12] <sajan> Wow, solid.  Thanks again.  I like it better this way as I don't have the panel and the title bar of the window taking up space at the top.
[02:12] <Cheri703> sure :)
[02:14] <^^chris> my laptop doesn't have UEFI options :/
[02:59] <df00z> Hi, in Xubuntu, what starts X if it's not xdm?
[03:00] <holstein> df00z: well, lets start at the beginning
[03:00] <holstein> you did an upgrade, and your booting to a black screen
[03:00] <df00z> Yes
[03:00] <holstein> i think that could be kernel upgrade related
[03:00] <holstein> i would try booting the last kernel that worked
[03:00] <df00z> But, my drivers are all up to date, and X starts when I start it manually?
[03:01] <df00z> plus - not quite sure how to start an old kernel
[03:01] <holstein> df00z: you choose it in grub
[03:01] <holstein> but, i didnt realize you could manually start X
[03:01] <df00z> im like not even seeing grub, just immediately a black screen
[03:01] <df00z> but i can change vts..hold on lemmie see
[03:02] <df00z> right.  dont see grub.  dont see a startup screen.  just a black screen.
[03:02] <holstein> then what? you tty? and you get in?
[03:02] <df00z> yup
[03:02] <holstein> interesting..
[03:02] <holstein> df00z: do you usually see grub?
[03:03] <df00z> I dont remember, honestly
[03:03] <df00z> ive never had to bother with it
[03:03] <holstein> you can try tapping shift at boot, while i search around a second
[03:03] <df00z> ah this is interesting
[03:03] <df00z> lightdm is dying, in dmesg
[03:03] <df00z> killed by the TERM signal
[03:03] <holstein> interesting... maybe just reinstall it
[03:03] <df00z> oh, so is plymoth-splash
[03:04] <df00z> reinstall ubuntu?  thats kind of crazy
[03:04] <holstein> df00z: reinstall lightdm
[03:04] <df00z> oh ill try
[03:05] <df00z> what the heck, i selected it, and its installing a ton of dependencies, not sure how these got uninstalled :\
[03:06] <df00z> when i did update it said it was fixing a bunch of "broken" packages and removing them
[03:06] <df00z> i didnt think anything of it was just letting it do it's thing
[03:06] <holstein> sudo apt-get update might help you see if you have errors as well
[03:07] <df00z> i thought something was kind of odd when i saw an update uninstalling cairo..i figured maybe it got merged into some other package
[03:07] <df00z> lol
[03:07] <df00z> im like uhh last i knew everything uses that as a backend to draw stuff now
[03:09] <df00z> ok, now it had no splash screen…but it started X and then died, it changed resolutions this time after rebooting..checking xorg logs and such
[03:10] <df00z> mtrr: no mtrr for b0000000,4000000 found after plymoth died
[03:10] <holstein> well, id say you are close to sorting it out
[03:11] <holstein> i would keep reinstalling things.. and try "fix broken packages" or sudo apt-get update and see if there are errors
[03:11] <df00z> apt-get update didnt find anything broken
[03:11] <holstein> well, something is wrong
[03:12] <holstein> if plymouth is complaining, id start there
[03:12] <df00z> can plymoth be turned off or nah?
[03:12] <df00z> I had something similar happen on another PC in the past
[03:12] <holstein> well, its all open, so sure
[03:16] <df00z> oh wow....
[03:17] <df00z> I set GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub
[03:17] <df00z> now my BIOS boot screen never goes away, but I can chvt and linux starts hahah
[03:17] <df00z> but on # 7 my bios screen is still there
[03:17] <df00z> thats insane ive never seen anything like this
[03:18] <df00z> its like the framebuffer is broken
[03:19] <zeroth_> firefox is running like crap for some odd  reason. Seamonkey, bout the same. Any ideas?
[03:21] <df00z> Other people report this too
[03:21] <df00z> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1070655
[03:21] <holstein> zeroth_: try removing the config, and elaborate about "crap"
[03:22] <holstein> df00z: i had an odd via chip that wouldnt show framebuffer
[03:22] <David-A> zeroth_: just to check, you are not low on ram or disk space?
[03:22] <holstein> it would just eventually shot a desktop
[03:25] <vl4kn0> Hi, where can I get the default xubuntu xfce terminal color palette?
[03:25] <df00z> holstein: one more question- is there a log anywhere of what packages are installed/uninstalled with apt?
[03:26] <df00z> like, I want to see what got uninstalled recently, found one more problem.  lightdm-gtk-greeter is uninstalled, but lightdm is set to use it
[03:26] <df00z> I'd like to comb through the log and reinstall stuff
[03:26] <df00z> it's just really bizzare :\
[03:28] <df00z> I give up…going to reinstall ubuntu
[03:28] <df00z> It booted, but its stopping\starting lightdm in a loop
[03:29] <df00z> this time ill just watch what happens when it updates, i guess
[03:29] <df00z> wasnt even like a distro update that caused this
[03:36] <zeroth_> sorry, took a minute..This is a fresh install. I just rebooted after the some system updates and seamonkey is running good. Firefox sucks..menus are slow, sluggish. and pages load slow. I'f seamonkey stays like it is now, It'll be sweet
[03:37] <df00z> what kind of system is this?  did you install video drivers
[03:38] <zeroth_> xps m140...no i've not messed with video. Do I need to?
[03:38] <df00z> probably - lets see what video card that has
[03:38] <zeroth_> integrated crap..
[03:39] <df00z> oh GMA 900?
[03:39] <df00z> i mean its old, but it should run fine out of box.
[03:39] <df00z> hm
[03:39] <zeroth_> display controller is intel 915gm/gms/910gml express graphics controller
[03:40] <df00z> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log it should say what driver its using, if its using like a fb or vesa driver something is wrong
[03:40] <df00z> if its the intel driver its fine
[03:40] <zeroth_> let me check
[03:40] <df00z> maybe turn off font smoothing if you can find the option somewhere
[03:42] <zeroth_> Loadmodule "intel" ...is that what i'm looking for?
[03:42] <zeroth_> intel_drv.so?
[03:43] <zeroth_> yes it's using the intel integrated graphics driver..I see it now
[03:48] <df00z> yeah so its prolly not a driver issue the
[03:48] <df00z> see if you can find a way to turn off find smoothing, and make sure like compiz\3d effects are turned off
[03:49] <zeroth_> i'll research that and find out. I need to learn anyway. Thanks for the advice
[09:46] <dorftrottel_> is anyone around who can fix links on xubuntu.org?
[09:47] <dorftrottel_> the links for the torrent files for 12.04 on http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ all point to old non existent files. (s/12.04.1/12.04.2/g)
[09:49] <dorftrottel_> already bugged the guys who provide hosting for xubuntu.org and the one who answered suggested, I should drop in here^^
[09:56]  * dorftrottel_ points knome to interesting text above
[10:29] <knome> dorftrottel_, updated. cheers!
[11:05] <Jutas> Hi. In GNOME Shell Remix there is 1360x768 display resolution option but in Xubuntu there is no. Which file makes this difference?
[11:30] <Xubuntu2> When is firefox 19 in the softwarecenter ?
[11:30] <Xubuntu2> how to upgrade ?
[11:32] <Frampis> hello there
[11:34] <Frampis> I just booted up a Live USB stick of Xubuntu on a computer that has Xubuntu installed and I would like to mount the filesystem
[11:34] <Frampis> but I don't know how :(
[11:36] <Xubuntu2> Frampis are you gona reinstall xubuntu ?
[11:36] <Frampis> no, I just need to recover a file from the filesystem
[11:36] <Frampis> of the already-installed copy of xubuntu on the computer
[11:37] <Xubuntu2> Sounds like a mess.. i will reinstall if i was you.
[11:37] <Frampis> uh-huh
[11:38] <Xubuntu2> Do you know when firefox 19 comes in the software center ?
[11:39] <Xubuntu2> The file you taliing about how it disaphere ? have you check the trash ?
[11:40] <Frampis> that is pretty much irrelevant
[11:41] <Frampis> what is relevant is how to mount the filesystem.
[11:41] <Xubuntu2> If it is there you can restore it.
[11:41] <Xubuntu2> I dont mess with my files. if i do i reinstall all.
[11:41] <Frampis> thank you for telling me what you would and would not do :)
[11:42] <Xubuntu2> Do you know how to install java ? I like to use java but it is to complicated i think.
[11:43] <Xubuntu2> yes  the easy way..
[11:44] <Xubuntu2> How do you install java do you know ?
[11:44] <Frampis> nope
[11:47] <baizon> i know
[11:47] <baizon> Xubuntu2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[11:49] <baizon> Xubuntu2: in the next hours (firefox 19 release)
[11:49] <baizon> Frampis: take a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[11:50] <Frampis> thanks
[11:56] <Xubuntu2> Who can install java this way ? not me.
[12:00] <baizon> Xubuntu2: ok sorry then
[13:04] <vl4kn0> Hi, can anyone please send me default xubuntu terminal color palette?
[13:06] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/TerminalThemeReview
[13:07] <vl4kn0> thanks
[15:20] <Zasek> Hi guys, so I bought a new flash drive (16 GB) and don't know what format should I use for it. Which one is the best for using it both in linux and windows?
[15:23] <torax> are you going to save files over 4GB in the drive?
[15:24] <Zasek> I'm not planning to now, but you never know. So lets say yes.
[15:24] <torax> well if you use fat32 it will work everywhere, but it does not support files over 4GB
[15:25] <Zasek> Ok. What's the other option for files over 4GB?
[15:25] <torax> you can also use ntfs, im not sure thou how good writing ntfs is in linux
[15:25] <torax> cause its proprietary and microsoft really hasnt released much info about it
[15:26] <torax> those are the two format that windows supports
[15:26] <TheSheep> Zasek: there is a windows driver for ext2
[15:26] <torax> oh, is it good?
[15:27] <Zasek> But is implemented? I need it to use it on more devices, like at school.
[15:27] <torax> thou you need to have it installed in every windows machine you want to use the usb drive in
[15:27] <TheSheep> torax: no idea
[15:28] <torax> I'd say go with fat32
[15:28] <Zasek> Ok, thanks for the help. :)
[15:29] <torax> It would be so much easier if windows just would support ext :P
[15:30] <torax> not like its ever going to happen
[15:34] <Zasek> :D
[16:16] <xubuntu815> Is there no java in the software center ? Do i have to install it manually ? I think it is to complicated.
[16:18] <bazhang> !java | xubuntu815 have a read
[16:22] <xubuntu815> I have an internal mic who dont works and 2 card readers (one card reader working). Is there a way to make this works ?
[16:44] <xubuntu815> Is rpm for xubuntu ?
[16:45] <knome> no
[17:04] <xubuntu815> the java stuff dont works.. the commands fail to run.. to hard to make this works.
[17:06] <torax> xubuntu815: what did you run, what was the error
[17:09] <andreas_> hello everyone
[17:09] <andreas_> new to xubuntu
[17:09] <andreas_> just installed it 12.10
[17:09] <andreas_> i have a bit of a problem thought
[17:09] <andreas_> can anyone help?
[17:09] <GridCube> !anyone
[17:10] <bazhang> ask a question
[17:11] <andreas_> error broken count >0
[17:11] <andreas_> unmet dependencies.....
[17:12] <GridCube> !details | andreas_
[17:12] <andreas_> just installed xubuntu tried to install updates this msg came out
[17:14] <andreas_> i just installed xubuntu 12.10 (looks awsome) . after restarting it, it said that i had to install some updates. while doing that, a msg came up saying that : Error: Broken count >0
[17:15] <andreas_> and somnething about unmet dependencies....
[17:15] <GridCube> weird
[17:15] <GridCube> please open a terminal and execute sudo apt-get update
[17:16] <andreas_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[17:16] <andreas_> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[17:16] <andreas_> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[17:16] <andreas_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[17:16] <andreas_> andreas @ andreas-desktop  ~/Desktop
[17:16] <andreas_> └─ $ ▶
[17:16] <andreas_> this came upo
[17:16] <andreas_> came up
[17:16] <GridCube> !pastebin
[17:16] <GridCube> andreas_, close what ever program is doing updates or synaptic or the ubuntu software center
[17:16] <GridCube> something is locking the apt sources
[17:16] <GridCube> also use pastebin
[17:17] <andreas_> i have no programme running
[17:17] <andreas_> or at least it doesnt show
[17:17] <bazhang> use sudo
[17:18] <andreas_> cant remember the command to shut down installer.....
[17:18] <andreas_>  :(
[17:20] <andreas_> whats the command?
[17:23] <bazhang> !crosspost | andreas_
[17:25] <andreas_> sorry...
[17:27] <andreas_> wont do it again prommise
[17:28] <andreas_> but i dont think i have understood exactly what i should do.... an i am not too good with the whole linux thing i'm only just learning
[17:29] <knome> andreas_, sure, we all have to start somewhere
[17:29] <andreas_> started with ubuntu but my pc is too old for it lol anyhow i am running voyager 12.10 which based on xubuntu and its super
[17:29] <knome> andreas_, i just sent you a few links about the channel guidelines
[17:30] <knome> right. please note that voyager is not supported in this channel
[17:30] <andreas_> oh.... (feel stupid now....)
[17:31] <andreas_> it says its a xubuntu platform so i thought.... never mind :(
[17:31] <knome> yeah, but we can't be sure everything is as it should in voyager
[17:32] <knome> that's why we're also unable to support it
[17:32] <andreas_> i get it.
[17:35] <KeyboardNotFound> How to install libusb 0.1 ?
[17:35] <knome> !info libusb
[17:36] <KeyboardNotFound> :(
[17:36] <knome> !info libusb-dev
[17:36] <knome> that would be it
[17:39] <KeyboardNotFound> but i need libusb 0.1
[17:40] <bazhang> for what
[17:40] <KeyboardNotFound> for software who require libusb 0.1
[17:40] <bazhang> which is what
[17:41] <KeyboardNotFound> which*
[17:43] <knome> KeyboardNotFound, i believe that package installs it. did you try it?
[17:43] <KeyboardNotFound> knome: yes, but not installed :(
[17:44] <knome> KeyboardNotFound, maybe you need to refer to the software instructions on how to install it in ubuntu then
[17:45] <KeyboardNotFound> knome: i will ask in
[17:45] <KeyboardNotFound> #libusb
[17:45] <knome> !info libusb-0.1.4
[17:45] <knome> !info libusb-0.1-4
[17:45] <knome> that one...
[17:45] <knome> maybe helps
[18:15] <andreas_> ok i tried openning synaptic manager and it says : you have one broken package on your system! Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[18:16] <andreas_> whats the broken filter?
[18:16] <andreas_> (sorry i poped up like that i had a private tuition earlier and i had to go....)
[18:19] <andreas_> I fixed it!!!!!!!
[18:19] <andreas_> cheers lads!
[18:21] <xubuntu735> hi everybody
[18:22] <xubuntu735> are there anybody who can help me out with some boot optimisation issue?
[18:24] <Unit193> xubuntu735: What type?  Used bootchart?
[18:24] <xubuntu735> I have got a booting time which is considerably longer than reported values
[18:24] <xubuntu735> hi unit193
[18:24] <xubuntu735> I did actually install bootchart
[18:25] <xubuntu735> however I have no knowledge about how to interpret the chart
[18:25] <xubuntu735> would you be that kind to give me an advice?
[18:26] <xubuntu735> average booting is about 1minut
[18:26] <Unit193> How fast is your computer?
[18:26] <xubuntu735> intel  core 2duo
[18:27] <xubuntu735> acer aspire
[18:27] <xubuntu735> is about 3 yo
[18:27] <xubuntu735> (if this is helpful for you)
[18:28] <xubuntu735> 2.0 Ghz
[18:28] <xubuntu735> well 2.0 GHz
[18:30] <xubuntu735> i have bootchart to post if you are interested...
[18:42] <xubuntu735> anyone can give me an advice ?
[18:53] <RT_> Is xubuntu as secure as ubuntu?
[18:55] <koegs> RT_: xubuntu IS ubuntu, only with XFCE instead of Unity
[18:56] <RT_> I'm wondering if desktop environments differ in security
[18:57] <koegs> RT_: in a general manner yes, every piece of software has its own flaws
[18:57] <RT_> ok
[18:57] <g16> Nothing that the casual user should worry about though.
[18:58] <RT_> the ports are closed by default?
[18:59] <RT_> I guess I should find a best practices article
[18:59] <M8RT> hi all
[18:59] <RT_> hi M8RT
[18:59] <M8RT> hi RT_
[18:59] <Unit193> xubuntu735: Wouldn't hurt to take a look.
[19:00] <M8RT> guys i have a problem after the last kernel update for xubuntu, where can i get some help?
[19:01] <xubuntu735> ...not sure how to post it in the channel
[19:01] <torax> M8RT: this is xubuntu support channel
[19:02] <M8RT> thanks torax, i guess i'll just ask here
[19:02] <M8RT> i lost the window borders, window title bar, practically everything around the windows including the buttons
[19:02] <torax> sure, go ahead. Let see if we can help you
[19:03] <M8RT> i can not reset the theme at all, none of those settings are visible when i go into the settings manager, just blank page
[19:04] <M8RT> any ideas?
[19:09] <xubuntu735> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/alessandroaspire5735pre.png/
[19:10] <Unit193> xubuntu735: It appears that doesn't give a large image view, or I'm not checking it right.
[19:12] <Unit193> xubuntu735: You can also check the "Startup and sessions" in the settings manager and disable some things if you really don't need them.
[19:14] <xubuntu735> may be you can try the download
[19:17] <Unit193> Well, near the top, there is a task that is taking a while, what is that one?  (Tried it, still can't read the labels)
[19:18] <xubuntu735> ureadhead
[19:19] <xubuntu735> I just realised how bad is the resolution, sorry about that
[19:19] <xubuntu735> ureadahead
[19:20] <xubuntu735> http://i.imgur.com/shpyXWl.png
[19:21] <Unit193> Heh, well that's a needed one.  Thanks.
[19:21] <xubuntu735> unit193, try this link, so sorry for being that inexperienced
[19:23] <Unit193> For example, if you don't use bluetooth at all, you can disable that service and startup application.
[19:23] <xubuntu735> ok
[19:26] <Unit193> Sessions and Startup would be the place to look, and you'll want to remove bootchart now.  That doesn't look too out of the norm.
[19:26] <xubuntu735> ok then
[19:27] <xubuntu735> will do
[19:27] <xubuntu735> bluetooth is the main things to skip isn't it?
[19:28] <Unit193> If you don't use it, sure.
[19:28] <xubuntu735> never did
[19:29] <xubuntu735> i guess Iwould enable it back if required
[19:29] <Unit193> Yep.
[19:34] <xubuntu735> unit193 thanks so much
[19:35] <xubuntu735> kind of sorted now
[19:35] <Unit193> xubuntu735: Sure thing.  I'd personally be more worried about system slowness than booting speed, as I don't reboot as much.
[19:35] <xubuntu735> will see how it works now then I disable boot chart
[19:36] <xubuntu735> you are actually right
[19:36] <xubuntu735> I was concern about having done wrong in the installation
[19:37] <xubuntu735> not really worried about the waiting
[19:37] <xfce> any help why button "install" is not active anymore at ubuntu software center? 12.07 LTS
[19:37] <xfce> 12.04*
[19:38] <skegeek> Is it possible to chroot to Vista with Xubuntu running inside VM?
[19:39] <Unit193> xubuntu735: Just uninstalling will do.
[19:39] <xubuntu735> right! thanks again
[19:40] <Unit193> Sure thing!
[19:40] <Unit193> xfce: Any other software management package running?
[19:40] <xfce> synaptic but not at the same time
[19:41] <Unit193> skegeek: Chroot into Vista from something running in a VM?  Not really.
[19:41] <skegeek> Didn't think so.
[19:41] <skegeek> Thanks.
[19:41] <skegeek>  #virtualbox
[19:41] <bullgard4> I dist-upgraded form Ubuntu 10.04.4 to Xubuntu 12.04.2. The thunar package is installed. But I cannot find any Thunar menu item in the Xfce applications menu.  Where should I look for it?
[19:41] <bullgard4> s/form/from/
[19:42] <g16> skegeek: with VirtualBox, you can only if you set raw partition access, which you can find in the User Manual.
[19:43] <g16> (or if Vista is on a USB device, don't know if that is even possible)
[19:47] <g16> bullgard4: under Accessories >> File manager
[19:47] <g16> or exec this on the terminal: thunar &
[19:47] <bullgard4> g16: Ah, yes! --  Thank you.
[20:06] <X_x> cant access my Win8 partition. it claims windows is hibernated. i have disabled quickboot in win8, tried the mount read only otion, tried mount delete hiberfile option to no avail. any one with win8 experience??
[20:07] <xubuntu358> Is the IcedTea java ok to use on the bank ? how can i know it is safe ?
[20:08] <g16> X_z: just shutdown Windows.
[20:08] <X_x> java will never be safe. you have to decide how badly it is needed, does the risk outweigh the benefit?
[20:08] <X_x> g16, have you used win8?
[20:09] <g16> X_x, by mounting hibernated NTFS, you could lose some unsaved work. That's why you are disallowed to do that.
[20:09] <X_x> shutdown in win8 is hibernate. i have turn off the option but im still getting the error
[20:10] <xubuntu358> I dont use windows 8.
[20:10] <X_x> so far all the forum posts im seeing on this topic, the answer stems from people who dont use win8 and dont know this
[20:11] <g16> I have Win8, and shutting down Win8 is not hibernating.
[20:11] <g16> And never has been in other Win's.
[20:11] <xubuntu358> The java plugin works except i have to approve 2 or 3 times. but i can log into the bank so it is good.
[20:12] <X_x> take a look at your advanced power options, there is an option called "quick boot" does yours have this?
[20:12] <xubuntu358> The other java is little complictaed to install but will be best i think.
[20:13] <X_x> im running the MSDN version and it seems to be a lil different than retail
[20:15] <g16> ugh, looks like win8 shutdown is fake... Sorry X_x
[20:15] <g16> Did not know that, just learned
[20:15] <X_x> yeah...
[20:15] <X_x> just when i was starting to like win8
[21:42] <aicasn-V> is anyone here from Australia?
[21:47] <Pici> possibly...
[21:47] <Pici> !au
[21:48] <aicasn-V> tyvm
[21:51] <Pici> np
[23:09] <GreenNerd> Hi.
[23:14] <GreenNerd> I have current release of Ubuntu just installed on my Asus Eee PC Netbook.  I want XFCE desktop environment being the Netbook desktop is garbage.  I have sudo apt-get xfce4.  When I reboot, system is still using gnome Netbook (icons on left side of screen).  I despise this environment.  How do I make XFCE default environment?
[23:14] <GreenNerd> Help, please.
[23:15] <Myrtti> when you log in, you need to select xfce4 as the environment to log in to
[23:15] <Myrtti> after that it should be the default
[23:15] <GreenNerd> I do not have option that asks me to select xfce4
[23:16] <GreenNerd> I just ran apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[23:16] <GreenNerd> Hopefully this works.
[23:17] <David-A> GreenNerd: on the login screen in newer ubuntus, press the ubuntu icon near the user name, then a menu will appear where one can select a session, select xfce or xubuntu session
[23:17] <GreenNerd> I will try once this apt-get installer is done running for xubuntu-desktop
[23:17] <GreenNerd> I thought XFCE was a less intense environment to work from.
[23:17] <GreenNerd> Is xubuntu and xfce the same thing?
[23:18] <GreenNerd> I thought xubuntu was larger and more demanding.  I want something very lite that I can use on this netbook to help me brush back up on CLI and SSH.
[23:18] <David-A> GreenNerd: xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce, basically.
[23:18] <Myrtti> or ubuntu-minimal + xfce4
[23:19] <Myrtti> ie. the barebones of Ubuntu and xfce4 + some applications xubuntuites have decided go well with the whole experience
[23:19] <GreenNerd> I haven't used Ubuntu for years.  It's crazy how easily I forget the simplest of things...
[23:19] <GreenNerd> XFCE is way better than Gnome, in my opinion.
[23:19] <David-A> GreenNerd: xubuntu is normally considered less demanding on the hardware than ubuntu, but not as little as Lubuntu.
[23:19] <GreenNerd> It is so minimal, it is crazy.  I have no idea why people need more than that.
[23:20] <GreenNerd> When I was running XFCE in the past, it was using just over 128 MB of RAM.
[23:21] <David-A> GreenNerd: 128MB, that was before launching firefox if I recall correctly...
[23:21] <GreenNerd> Not sure.  Ive been using Chrome for a long time, and I'm going back to Firefox now that I realize how much "big brother" politics surround Google.
[23:22] <ochosi> you can also use chromium
[23:23] <GreenNerd> I'm going to stick with FF on this new setup I'm building.
[23:23] <David-A> GreenNerd: chromium is chrome minus google
[23:24] <GreenNerd> Oh?
[23:24] <GreenNerd> Looks like it's Google Chrome
[23:24] <GreenNerd> I thought it was one in the same, no


[00:07] <thumper> morning
[03:15] <ibeardslee> mwhudson: are there fun and games at Canonical?
[03:15] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: some piece of networking kit exploded
[03:17] <ibeardslee> ouch
[03:19] <lifeless> a fairly key bit
[03:19]  * ajmitch hopes it wasn't a literal explosion with magic smoke being let out
[21:05] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:16] <ajmitch> morning
[21:16] <ajmitch> looks like APNIC has run dry on ipv4 blocks for now
[21:26] <Atamira> morning
[21:26] <Atamira> yay. last day of work
[21:26] <ibeardslee> quit .. or holidays?
[21:27] <ibeardslee> or retired after the lotto win?
[21:27] <Atamira> rostered off
[21:27] <Atamira> 4 days on 4 days off
[21:27] <ibeardslee> ahh right
[21:27] <Atamira> and i wish re the lotto win
[21:27] <Atamira> im not that lucky
[21:28] <ajmitch> heh
[21:28] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: I take it you didn't win, and so aren't able to shout us all a trip to UDS?
[21:29] <ibeardslee> sorry ajmitch
[21:29] <ajmitch> aw
[21:29] <ibeardslee> I'm here in Dubai
[21:29] <ibeardslee> nice room
[21:29] <ibeardslee> well floor
[21:29] <ajmitch> penthouse?
[21:29] <ibeardslee> yeap
[21:30] <ibeardslee> the butler is bringing the gold ferrari to the front, going for a drive
[21:31] <ibeardslee> back later
[21:31] <ibeardslee> ..
[21:31] <ajmitch> at this rate, you'll be collecting the dole next week :)
[21:31] <ibeardslee> heh
[21:34] <Atamira> what happened to the gold lambo?
[21:37] <ibeardslee> gave it away .. too ostentatious
[21:44] <Atamira> ahh..how thoughtful of you
[21:51] <ibeardslee> well that's just how I am .. now, where is that caviar?
[21:54]  * ajmitch shouldn't get distracted by reading ubuntu-devel
[22:21] <thumper> morning
[22:21] <mwhudson> morning
[22:21] <mwhudson> and a lovely one it here here too (warning: may be a lie)
[22:21] <thumper> mwhudson: :-)
[22:21] <thumper> mwhudson: may be similar to here
[22:22]  * thumper has a new job \\o/
[22:22] <mwhudson> how did i managed to say "here here" instead of "is here"
[22:22] <thumper> mwhudson: if it makes you feel any better, I read it as "is here"
[22:22] <mwhudson> thumper: have you fixed unity yet!!
[22:22] <ajmitch> thumper: new job?
[22:22] <thumper> mwhudson: not yet, but I am now officially moving to the DX team
[22:23] <mwhudson> my current unity entertainment is that the unit widgets are appearing below the windows
[22:23] <ajmitch> thumper: that's a bit of a change
[22:23] <thumper> what unit widgets?
[22:23] <thumper> ajmitch: yeah... it'll be interesting
[22:23] <mwhudson> thumper: the launcher, that thing that appears when you press super
[22:24] <thumper> mwhudson: that's pretty odd
[22:24] <mwhudson> thumper: not going to argue with that
[22:24] <ajmitch> thumper: I'll be sure to pass on all my unity complaints to you then :)
[22:25] <thumper> heh, bug reports preferred
[22:25] <thumper> I start with DX in two weeks
[22:25] <thumper> I get to fix up branch stacking first
[22:25] <mwhudson> what's the name for the thing that appears when you press super?
[22:25] <ajmitch> so you'll get to go to the various DX sessions at UDS :)
[22:25] <thumper> the launcher
[22:26]  * thumper isn't at UDS
[22:26] <thumper> but I will be at the DX sprint the week before
[22:26] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[22:26] <thumper> it would have been two weeks away from the girls
[22:26] <thumper> home life cals
[22:26] <thumper> calls
[22:26] <ajmitch> fair enough, and I suppose it falls just around school holidays as well?
[22:27] <thumper> just after
[22:28] <ajmitch> do you know what area you'll end up working on?
[22:28] <thumper> unity
[22:28] <ajmitch> nice
[22:28]  * thumper wanders into the kitchen to make a coffee :)
[22:29] <ajmitch> fwiw, I started on a unity lens to search LP :)
[22:35] <thumper> ajmitch: I don't really know much about lenses yet
[22:36] <thumper> in fact I had to ask njpatel what they were last night :)
[22:36] <ajmitch> they appear to be relatively straightforward
[22:36] <ajmitch> I blame jcastro for getting me interested in it though
[22:44] <ibeardslee> speaking of unity .. when you click on the applications .. you get recently used, installed and available for installation  (unsure of the exact working, no working unity about atm)
[22:44] <ibeardslee> is there a way to tell it not to show stuff that isn't installed?
[22:50]  * ajmitch doesn't know the answer to that one
[23:04] <ibeardslee> oh beta 2
[23:05] <ajmitch> thankfully they fixed the large memory leak that was causing compiz to eat all my RAM :)


[00:41] <mhall119> czajkowski: happy birthday
[07:37] <kim0> Morning all
[07:37] <AlanBell> hi kim0, was just talking about you
[07:37] <kim0> AlanBell: howdy o/
[07:39] <AlanBell> hazRPG in the -uk loco is moving back to Giza
[07:39] <kim0> oh :)
[07:39] <kim0> is he a teacher or something
[07:39] <AlanBell> not sure, pop into #ubuntu-uk and say hi
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <czajkowski> mhall119: thanks
[08:14] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[08:22] <nigelb> Morning kim0, dholbach
[08:22] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:22] <kim0> nigelb: o/
[08:22]  * nigelb waves to dpm as well
[08:24] <dpm> hey nigelb )
[08:24] <dpm> sorry, that was a half-hearted attempt at a smiley
[08:24] <dpm> :-)
[08:25] <dpm> there you go
[08:27] <nigelb> lol
[08:27] <nigelb> I feel like a  Friday today
[08:27] <nigelb> (We have a 2-day week this week)
[08:59] <dpm> nice :)
[10:49] <dholbach> can we get people to add themselves to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-P/Attendees?
[13:07] <dholbach> erward, welcome! :-)
[13:08]  * dholbach hugs erward
[13:08] <mhall119> dholbach: have you sent it to the uds-p attendees mailing list?
[13:08] <dholbach> mhall119, yes, but according to Marianna the list is not set up yet (doesn't have the new attendees on it yet, etc.), so it's in moderation until then
[13:08] <mhall119> ok, it's less than a month from UDS-P, and a little more than a week before Oneiric's release, why don't we have a name for P yet?
[13:09] <jcastro> dunno, he's late
[13:09] <dholbach> mhall119, ask Mark
[13:09] <dholbach> he's incredibly busy
[13:09] <jcastro> but he was a little late a few cycles ago so we uncoupled the animal name from the planning
[13:10] <jcastro> which is why everything is "uds-p" instead of uds-$animal
[13:11] <mhall119> yeah, but aren't they going to have to order shirts and banners with the new animal-themed logos soon?
[13:11] <dholbach> I have no idea
[13:11] <dholbach> but I guess, yes
[13:18] <jcastro> yeah, who knows
[13:18] <jcastro> maybe some people know the animal already?
[13:18] <jcastro> but I don't believe that, it'd be impossible to keep that secret, we would know by now
[13:18] <jcastro> or maybe the shirts went generic this time?
[13:19] <erward> dholbach: thanks
[13:25] <nigelb> jcastro: did someone steal mark's dictionary?
[13:25] <nigelb> should we send help? :D
[13:26]  * mhall119 hopes we don't get generic shirts
[13:26] <nigelb> mhall119: best thing about this time, generic T-shirts are still fine (pengiuin!_)
[13:26] <nigelb> unless the animal isn't penguin :P
[13:26] <mhall119> I doubt it'll be penguin
[13:27] <jcastro> maybe he wants to announce it at UDS
[13:27] <mhall119> maybe, it'd be a change of pattern though
[13:28] <mhall119> also, don't the new archives usually open right after the previous version's release?
[13:28] <jcastro> yeah
[13:29] <jcastro> ah...
[13:29] <jcastro> she knows the animal
[13:29] <jcastro> she just is sworn to secrecy.
[13:30] <mhall119> ah ha
[13:36] <nigelb> lol
[13:36] <nigelb> jcastro: I was thinking of a UDS announce as well.
[14:54] <jcastro> dpm: dholbach: kim0 hey
[14:54] <kim0> what's up
[14:54] <jcastro> if you have any "the usual" sessions that you know you will need for UDS
[14:54] <jcastro> you can submit them whenever you want
[14:54] <jcastro> if you want to get them out of the way
[14:54] <jcastro> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-p
[14:54] <jcastro> I submitted like the debian one
[14:55] <dholbach> jcastro, awesome, I have a list of sessions already
[14:55] <dholbach> I'll do that tomorrow
[14:55] <dholbach> thanks a bunch, jcastro
[14:55] <jcastro> yeah feel free to just toss them in there
[14:55]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[14:55] <jcastro> then we ping bacon and get scheduling done before people go crazy trying to schedule
[14:55] <jcastro> actuallly, I think he makes me approve them anyway
[14:55] <jcastro> so we can probably go at our own pace
[15:04] <kim0> jcastro: thanks man :)
[15:07] <dpm> jcastro, ok
[15:23] <nigelb> jcastro: https://projects.developer.nokia.com/uds
[15:23] <nigelb> apachelogger & fellow KDE hackers
[15:23] <jcastro> oh neat
[15:23] <nigelb> qt-based mobile app
[15:24] <nigelb> If it beats guidebook in awesomeness I'm going to lol :P
[15:26] <nigelb> man, I shouldn't have read jono's G+ post right before dinner.
[15:26] <nigelb> Now I lost my appetite :P
[15:29] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:29] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:29] <jono> dpm, all set?
[15:30] <dpm> jono, yep!
[15:34] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[15:36] <jono> dpm, invite sent
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, just give me a min
[16:01] <dholbach> jono, sure - the bells are ringing over here anyway - you wouldn't hear a thing :-)
[16:03] <jono> :-)
[16:07] <jono> dholbach, alright, creating the hangout
[16:07] <dholbach> great
[16:36] <jono> jcastro, did you get the autoscheduler switched on?
[16:36] <jcastro> yeah
[16:36] <jcastro> stuff is hitting the schedule now
[16:36] <jcastro> I also let the track leads know
[16:38] <jono> thanks jcastro
[16:38] <jcastro> nigelb: ah, the imported sessions aren't getting colors for foundations and hw
[16:38] <jono> jcastro, oh btw, so Robbie says the pre-UDS sprint is Wed/Thu
[16:39] <jono> not Thu/Fri
[16:39] <jcastro> do you remember how we set that?
[16:39] <jcastro> jono: yeah I got the mail, already sorted it with marianna
[16:39] <jono> jcastro, cool
[16:40] <jono> kim0, ping?
[16:41] <kim0> jono: here
[16:41] <jono> kim0, can we have a quick G+ chat?
[16:41] <kim0> yeah sure
[16:41] <jono> thanks, pal
[16:42] <jono> kim0, invite sent
[16:44] <jono> kim0, you see the invite?
[16:44] <kim0> I joined
[16:44] <kim0> but I'm alone
[16:44] <kim0> rejoining
[16:44] <kim0> jono: weird .. alone again
[16:45] <jono> kim0, lets do skype
[16:52] <nigelb> jcastro: mhall119 did the colouring this time.
[16:53] <duanedesign> czajkowski: ping
[16:55] <jcastro> oh lol
[16:56] <jcastro> they're all FFFFFF
[17:02] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:02] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow!
[17:15] <czajkowski> duanedesign yup
[17:34] <duanedesign> hello czajkowski
[17:35] <duanedesign> czajkowski: what is the link to you blog post?
[17:41] <jcastro> I have selected a pleasing pallette for summit
[17:45] <dpm> jcastro, if that were an animal name, I'd think you're suggesting the new name for P :)
[17:45] <jcastro> oh hah
[17:45] <jcastro> I just realized what I did
[18:15] <mhall119> jcastro: your colors are a bit dark
[18:15] <jcastro> it is hard to find decent colors with so many tracks
[18:15] <jcastro> I was going to let them fill in for a bit
[18:15] <jcastro> then go back and adjust them
[18:15] <jcastro> I also looked at doing shades of orange for ubuntu and shades of green for linaro but that didn't turn out as awesome as I hoped
[18:18] <AlanBell> does summit have a "download the live stuff locally" thing like loco directory does?
[18:19] <jcastro> what do you mean?
[18:20] <kim0> I wanna publish an interview with the dev that made a million monkeys recreate Shakespeare's work on the cloud
[18:20] <kim0> any creative titles ? :)
[18:21] <mhall119> AlanBell: not yet, we just got the API
[18:22] <AlanBell> ok
[18:22] <mhall119> kim0: flying monkeys?
[18:22] <mhall119> Monkeys on the Cloud! (with Samuel L. Jackson voice)
[18:23] <kim0> :) hehe
[18:23] <kim0> Million Shakespearean Cloud Monkeys ?
[18:23] <mhall119> It's raining Monkeys! (hallelujah?)
[18:24] <kim0> mhall119: nice :)
[18:24] <mhall119> The taming of the cloud
[18:24] <kim0> do they tame monkeys ?
[18:24] <mhall119> the monkeys of venice
[18:25] <mhall119> Monkeybeth
[18:25] <kim0> nice!
[18:25] <mhall119> or just monkbeth
[18:26]  * mhall119 should have more than just coffee for breakfast
[18:26] <kim0> :)
[18:28] <AlanBell> "The wheel is come full circle: I am here."
[18:29] <AlanBell> (King Lear)
[18:30] <AlanBell> "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears"
[18:30] <AlanBell> (Julius Ceasar)
[18:31] <jcastro> Alas poor monkey, I knew him well
[18:31] <jcastro> For every monkey that writes with me today shall be my brother
[18:33] <AlanBell> lonely as a cloud was wordsworth
[18:33]  * kim0 pulls his sword
[18:34] <mhall119> that aught to be enough to either give kim0 a title, or make him second-guess publishing all together
[18:34] <kim0> hehe :)
[18:34] <jcastro> http://absoluteshakespeare.com/trivia/quotes/quotes.htm
[18:34] <jcastro> there you go
[18:34] <jcastro> cheese city
[18:34] <kim0> I just pushed it .. http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/million-cloud-monkeys-create-monkeybeth/
[18:35] <AlanBell> "Virtual cloud monkeys go bananas writing Shakespeare" was the register headline
[18:36] <mhall119> how many virtual monkeys did he actually end up making?
[18:37] <AlanBell> only two instances
[18:59] <czajkowski> duanedesign: which blog post ?
[18:59] <czajkowski> duanedesign: lczajkowski.com ??
[19:20] <duanedesign> czajkowski: let me see.
[19:49] <jono> jcastro, ping?
[19:53] <jcastro> jono: pong
[19:53] <jono> jcastro, can we have a quick call?
[19:53] <jcastro> yeah, I'm trying to G+ with eric but he's havin webcam problems
[19:53] <jcastro> so I can slide in with you for a minute
[19:54] <jono> jcastro, this won't take long
[19:54] <jono> will call your phone
[19:54] <jcastro> ok
[20:02] <jcastro> james_w: who is the head honcho for linaro? the guy that does the keynote with mark?
[20:02] <james_w> George Grey is CEO
[20:02] <james_w> David Rusling is the guy that has presented at the last few UDS, the CTO
[20:03] <james_w> I think George did Monday morning in Budapest
[20:03]  * jcastro nods
[20:03]  * jcastro schedules the opening plenary
[20:06] <jcastro> mhall119: hey
[20:06] <jcastro> do you think bringing the font size on the title a little bit would help?
[20:14] <pleia2> popey: you sticking around for CC meeting in 45? should be short
[20:14] <popey> yeah
[20:14] <pleia2> I asked dholbach to nudge mark about getting the poll set up
[20:15] <pleia2> (re: cc)
[20:15] <popey> cool
[20:15] <mhall119> jcastro: it would help a little, but not much
[21:04] <pleia2> popey: can we ban Cybe R. Wizard? :)
[21:05]  * popey types /clear
[21:05] <pleia2> lol
[21:10] <jcastro> erward: yo
[21:10] <jcastro> does it work now?
[21:13] <erward> jcastro: no
[21:14] <erward> do you care if I give you a call?
[21:15] <jcastro> sure
[21:15] <jcastro><PHONE_NUMBER>
[21:18] <cjohnston> 12 days till I'll be in your neck of the woods jcastro
[21:19] <jcastro> eh? really?
[21:19] <jcastro> oh, you needed parking right?
[21:19] <cjohnston> ya.. cruise...
[21:20] <cjohnston> possibly
[21:21] <cjohnston> are you able to take us to the port and pick us up?
[21:30] <jcastro> erward: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingCompiz
[21:30] <jcastro> cjohnston: yeah sure, can you mail me the details?
[21:30] <cjohnston> jcastro: yup... I'll talk to Hope and get back with you. :-)
[21:54] <pleia2> this meeting was supposed to be short so I could go to the post office, thanks popey ;)
[21:54] <popey> sowwee
[21:55] <pleia2> seriously though, thanks for bringing it up, it's been on my mind for a while but I haven't been able to put concerns into words (I am still having trouble, but discussion is good)
[21:55] <Pendulum> popey: I'm fairly certain you said some stuff that I had me up last night all night (it was a weird night in my head)
[21:58]  * AlanBell waits for the missing hour of logs to arrive
[22:04] <jcastro> erward: hey so I'm going to eat chow
[22:04] <jcastro> looks like my phone ran out of juice
[22:04] <jcastro> hah, I talk too much
[22:04] <popey> AlanBell: they're there
[22:05] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/04/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:05
[22:06] <erward> jcastro: thanks for your input
[22:08] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, just caught up with where I joined
[22:09] <AlanBell> hi erward, good to see you here, just tied the nick to jono's blog post
[22:09] <erward> AlanBell, hello
[22:15] <jcastro> cjohnston: yeah I'll need to know the dates asap as I travel a bunch over the next few weeks
[22:49] <jono> popey, pleia2 around?
[22:50] <pleia2> jono: yep
[22:51] <jono> pleia2, I am thinking what might be useful is another survey asking for feedback from Ubuntu Members about their views on their participation and views on our community
[22:51] <popey> ya
[22:51] <jono> could help us to identify some pattersn
[22:51] <jono> aand particularly get in place ready for UDS
[22:51] <jono> I am going to prepare something
[22:51] <popey> be nice if it was open ended
[22:51] <popey> lots of places for comments
[22:51] <jono> popey, totally
[22:51] <jono> I will add a comments field on each question too
[22:51] <pleia2> +1
[22:52] <jono> I think it will help us to understand some of the causes better
[22:52] <popey> sorry if it felt like I was beating you up jono that wasnt my intention
[22:52] <jono> ok, I will get this out tomorrow, I am taking off for the aiport later today, not sure if I will have it done in time
[22:52] <jono> popey, np
[22:53] <popey> bed.. nn
[22:53] <jono> night popey!
[22:53] <jono> :-)


[14:10] <cmaloney> morning
[14:11] <rick_h> Morning
[14:11] <brousch__> yes
[14:12] <cmaloney> Good
[14:36] <notlikethesoup> morning
[16:37] <rick_h> cmaloney: lol erica just texted me "OMG morpace called me, about participating in research for my pacifica hybrid"
[16:48] <cmaloney> Hah
[16:48] <cmaloney> Tell them to piss off. :)
[16:58] <rick_h> cmaloney: heh, she wants to do it
[16:58] <rick_h> ugh
[16:58] <rick_h> cmaloney: but so funny
[17:03] <cmaloney> Yeah, totally
[17:03] <cmaloney> interesting that they announced that it was Morpace.
[17:07] <rick_h> yea
[18:25] <shakes808> cmaloney: with you on that.
[18:27] <cmaloney> Honestly I think surveys are a pretty silly way of getting feedback
[18:27] <cmaloney> everyone games them
[18:28] <cmaloney> and you can say "they're scientific" all you want; you're not getting true opinions if the expectations are set at "we want you so satisfied you put down 5s"
[18:29] <cmaloney> That and 25 questions about my experience (10 of which are tangentially related) is numbing
[18:29] <cmaloney> or in the case of car surveys, 200 questions
[18:29] <cmaloney> there are better ways to get feedback from folks
[18:30] <cmaloney> one idea I had was to hire a bunch of extroverted, talkative grandparents
[18:30] <cmaloney> and have people talk to them
[18:30] <cmaloney> you can learn more from conversation than from a questionaire
[18:30] <cmaloney> the other was the two-question survey
[18:30] <cmaloney> "Were you satisfied" [Y/N] "Why not?"
[18:31] <cmaloney> text field with machine learning
[18:31] <_stink_> 1. N; 2. <blank> submit
[18:31] <cmaloney> That's fine too
[18:31] <cmaloney> _stink_: If not and it's blank then there's nothing to discuss
[18:31] <cmaloney> most of the time if it's N then people will write you a goddamn novel
[18:32] <cmaloney> but the underlying issues I noticed could have all bee solved on the front enf
[18:32] <cmaloney> end
[18:33] <cmaloney> The reason people were pissed off was because they felt like they weren't treated fairly
[18:33] <cmaloney> or they were brushed off
[18:33] <cmaloney> they weren't handled as important
[18:33] <cmaloney> true: some folks are assholes
[18:34] <cmaloney> but I'm sure one of the ways that $customer could have handled things better was by having a loaner program
[18:34] <cmaloney> but that costs money, and doing damage control at the back-end makes more money
[18:35] <cmaloney> and that's why $customer is shrinking and doing the CompUSA "throw anything into the store and see what sticks"
[18:36] <cmaloney> but hey, what do I know? I'm not a business consultant; I'm just s dirty FLOSS hippie. ;)
[18:43] <cmaloney> You don't need machine learning and big data to solve these problems. You just need to listen to people and empower employees to act in the moment
[18:44] <cmaloney> but there's no money to be made in solving the problem and plenty to be made in reporting on it