[00:22] <Ojoloco> Hi there! I'm trying to install dhcp3-server, but it depends on = 4.2.4-1ubuntu4 and I have 4.2.4-1ubuntu10. If try to do a downgrade, a lot of things got broken, for example the network manager. How could I accomplish that?
[00:50] <malaphus> Ojoloco: could always compile it yourself
[01:45] <phillw> malaphus: well, looking at http://askubuntu.com/questions/199683/dhcp3-server-or-isc-dhcp-server it seems he was using an old name for a newer system ,hence it wanting *ubuntu4 when he has *ubuntu10 installed...
[02:21] <malaphus> normal 7200 sata drives in raid1, formatted as xfs... du -sh finishes in 2.3 seconds on a 154GB directory
[02:21] <malaphus> ext4, like 45 seconds!
[02:21] <malaphus> surely xfs isn't this much better
[02:28] <Kamilion> why do you say that?
[02:28] <Kamilion> and s/better/different/
[02:29] <malaphus> I've seen all sorts of test graphs showing the read speed of xfs much closer to ext4 than the results im getting
[02:29] <Unit193> There is a reason to use each different one, IIRC ext4 was the most stable, but I could easily be wrong on that one.
[02:32] <Kamilion> some people swear ZFS is way better than ext4, btrfs, and xfs. I've never seen a set of workloads that didn't perform better on one of the group.
[02:35] <Kamilion> Personally, I like btrfs. May not have the best on-disk performance; but COW, replication, btrfs-apt-snapshot, etckeeper, and sending snapshots over the network without needing any kind of crazy backup software (rdiff-backup, duplicati, rsync...) is a win for my use-cases.
[07:33] <exogen> hello. how can I set my lubuntu to open launchpad bug reports via firefox? At the moment opens only into links.
[08:34] <exogen> okay update-alternatives --config is that what I need ^^
[08:34] <exogen> but unter Unity opens firefox... strange
[12:58] <Mathias_WMDE> greetings
[13:05] <Mathias_WMDE> has anyone ever had temperature issues with ati/radeon graphic cards on (l)ubuntu?
[14:18] <pmatulis> anyone upgrade to Raring yet?
[14:21] <genii-around> pmatulis: I'm using it on my netbook
[14:58] <pmatulis> genii-around: nice, going well?
[15:00] <genii-around> pmatulis: Fairly good, yes. It's an Acer D260  that I replaced the hd with a 60G SSD. So it boots up fairly fast and is quite responsive.  How do I run lxterminal as a login shell?
[15:58] <inductiveload> germanstudent: lxterminal -l
[16:00] <inductiveload> more information on lxterminal can be had from "lxterminal --help" or "man lxterminal"
[16:03] <germanstudent> thanks inductiveload, tried that. I'm not that experienced with shells, if I run lxterminal -l the system ignores .bash_profile, right? I need this in order to use rvm as described for gnome terminal here. https://rvm.io/integration/gnome-terminal/ .
[16:04] <pmatulis> genii-around: sweet!
[16:05] <germanstudent> hm pmatulis? ^^
[16:06] <germanstudent> oh, sorry.
[16:11] <inductiveload> germanstudent: have you run "exec bash" to reload the profile stuff?
[16:12] <germanstudent> Ah inductiveload. Thanks a lot! lxterminal -e "bash -il" worked for me \o/
[16:13] <inductiveload> glad it's working
[16:14] <inductiveload> btw, a login shell _does_ read .bash_profile, a non-login shell ignores it
[16:31] <genii-around> pmatulis: The only thing which seemed odd for a while is the "Happy New Year" background seemed to stay until February
[18:09] <direxion> Currently testing lubuntu-13.04-beta1-alternate-i386.iso
[18:10] <Unit193> Great, but don't forget to register your test!
[18:10] <direxion> Understood thanks.
[18:11] <Unit193> Are you interested in getting involved in testing?
[18:12] <direxion> Yes.  Am new to it.  Just joined Lubuntu-QA team. Have used Lubuntu since 12.04 release.
[18:14] <Unit193> Great!  You should consider using zsync to update the daily ISO, makes it so you don't have nearly as much to download.
[18:16] <direxion> Thanks for the tip.  That should help a lot.
[18:16] <Unit193> !zsync
[18:37] <genii-around> zsync is awesome.
[20:06] <loro> hi, I ran the latest automatic software update on my lubuntu 12.10 and now my computer regularly crashes, freezes and hangs for a few seconds. is there a way to "undo" the update or something? I'm pretty new to this
[20:07] <zleap> not sure but if its still running maybe there will be another update that will fix it
[20:09] <loro> ok hm. I've noticed too that something is wrong with the graphics. if I move a normal window, 1. there's a trail on the screen from the window, 2. the cpu load rises to 50% when it's normally at 2% or so
[20:13] <Etanol> somebody using rainlendar?
[20:14] <zleap> back later
[20:14] <Etanol> because it disapears after suspend and doesn't start with restart
[20:14] <Etanol> is there something how i can fix that
[20:14] <Unit193> I don't even see it in the repos.
[20:16] <Etanol> http://www.rainlendar.net/
[20:17] <Etanol> taskmanager shows it running but it disapears from desktop
[20:18] <Unit193> Etanol: I'd recommend you check http://www.rainlendar.net/cms/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=42
[20:19] <metalizard> http://imgur.com/Amz1LxA whenever i try to install something on lubuntu this comes up and i cant get out of it
[20:20] <Unit193> metalizard: You are installing the ms core fonts, that is a license agreement, it's waiting for you to accept or decline.
[20:21] <Etanol> tip: use tabulator
[20:27] <metalizard> i wasnt installing ms core fonts. i was installing cowsay
[20:28] <metalizard> it also did this when i was installing Lubuntu-software-center
[20:28] <metalizard> the only option is ok and i cant select it in any way
[20:29] <Unit193> At any rate, that's expected and it's a license agreement, it's waiting for you to give input...  Use the tab key, or left/right.
[20:29] <metalizard> ok thank you
[20:38] <melodie> hello
[20:40] <TheDrums> Heya, melodie.
[21:27] <melodie> hello TheDrums !
[23:22] <flop> hi, I'm having problem with changing file permission
[23:22] <holstein> !chown
[23:22] <holstein> flop: ^
[23:22] <flop> Is it an issue with lubuntu?
[23:25] <holstein> flop: your problem with file permissions? i dont think so. use chown
[23:27] <flop> ok
[23:28] <flop> how do I know who is the current owner?
[23:28] <holstein> flop: of what?
[23:28] <flop> of the file
[23:29] <holstein> flop: you can right click it in a file manager
[23:29] <holstein> flop: also, the link i gave above shows
[23:29] <flop> ok, it says the owner is the login name I used to log in
[23:30] <flop> but why cannot I still open that file?
[23:30] <holstein> flop: what file?
[23:30] <holstein> flop: what is the error?
[23:30] <flop> a pdf file
[23:30] <holstein> flop: do you have a pdf reader?
[23:30] <holstein> right click on it and try "open with"
[23:30] <flop> yes, the default viewer in lubuntu
[23:31] <holstein> and? it says "you dont have permission" ?
[23:33] <flop> it says Error opening file: Permission denied
[23:34] <flop> here's what I did. I downloaded the file from internet, so it's in my Download folder
[23:34] <flop> then with file manager I copied to the SD card
[23:34] <flop> and I'm trying to open it from the SD card
[23:34] <flop> other files open from the SD card
[23:35] <flop> but I cannot understand why not this one
[23:35] <holstein> flop: chown the file
[23:35] <flop> to my login username?
[23:35] <holstein> flop: to whatever you want it to be
[23:36] <holstein> i refer to that permissions link i gave
[23:36] <flop> ok, but it's already to my login username
[23:36] <holstein> flop: try again. since its not working
[23:37] <holstein> flop: or try as another user. or open it as root.. or remove it, and open the one locally.. or remove and re copy it.. or redownload choosing the sd card
[23:38] <flop> ok I changed owner to my login name which was the same
[23:39] <flop> also tried remove and recopy
[23:39] <holstein> flop: what are you using to open it? evince?
[23:39] <flop> document viewer
[23:39] <holstein> flop: which?
[23:40] <holstein> flop: you can open the one you downloaded to the ~/Downloads directory?
[23:40] <flop> yes
[23:40] <holstein> !chown
[23:41] <flop> ok, but what to change?
[23:42] <holstein> flop: do this in a terminal..
[23:43] <flop> yes, I'm doing it in terminal
[23:44] <flop> the only thing that is different from the one in downloads is that that one has group write permission.  But how does that change anything?
[23:44] <holstein> flop: chmod 777 /path/to/file
[23:45] <flop> I tried, but it does not chmod. weird
[23:45] <holstein> flop: in what way?
[23:45] <flop> remains the same
[23:45] <holstein> flop: do it in a terminal, and share the output
[23:45] <holstein> flop: what remains how?
[23:46] <holstein> flop: whats if the groups are different, mirror those settings
[23:48] <flop> ubuntu@ubuntu-AOA110:/media/ubuntu/SD$ ls -l -a a
[23:48] <flop> -rw-r--r-- 1 ubuntu ubuntu 1449498 Mar 21 18:54 a
[23:48] <flop> ubuntu@ubuntu-AOA110:/media/ubuntu/SD$ sudo chmod 777 a
[23:48] <flop> ubuntu@ubuntu-AOA110:/media/ubuntu/SD$ ls -l -a a
[23:48] <flop> -rw-r--r-- 1 ubuntu ubuntu 1449498 Mar 21 18:54 a
[23:49] <flop> nothing changed
[23:49] <holstein> !pastebin
[23:50] <holstein> flop: can you open anything from the SD card?
[23:50] <flop> yes
[23:50] <holstein> flop: why not just open the local one?
[23:50] <flop> other files
[23:50] <flop> because I want to save it on the SD
[23:50] <holstein> cd to it and rm it
[23:51] <flop> as I might reformat my hdd
[23:51] <holstein> mv it with the commandline and open it
[23:51] <flop> ok
[23:51] <flop> let me try
[23:54] <flop> same thing
[23:54] <flop> I'm not sure what wrong
[23:54] <holstein> flop: and that is?
[23:54] <holstein> flop: can you open it from the terminal?
[23:54] <flop> open from terminal? how? it's a pdf file
[23:55] <holstein> flop: evince /path/to/pdf
[23:56] <flop> not working :((
[23:56] <holstein> and what is the error?
[23:56] <flop> cannot open file: permission denied
[23:57] <holstein> i assume you mirroed the groups as well?
[23:57] <flop> mirrored?
[23:57] <holstein> !chgrp
[23:57] <flop> how?
[23:57] <holstein> flop: look at a file that is opening.. make that one *exactly* the same
[23:57] <holstein> mirroring the functional one
[23:57] <flop> ok
[23:58] <holstein> flop: i cant test here.. all of these commands work for me
[23:58] <holstein> flop: if you think its lubuntu.. open it with *any* other live CD you have and test


[23:30] <brieweb> I am not getting the directory information from schedules direct
[23:30] <brieweb> or, it seems
[23:30] <brieweb> I looked at the news page and it says "sers that have enabled the MythTV Updates repo and are on a current version of MythTV" will get the update
[23:30] <brieweb> "users that have enabled..."
[23:31] <brieweb> is this under the "Software and Updates"?
[23:32] <brieweb> I installed 14.04.2 64 bit
[23:37] <brieweb> Hmm, I found the Mythbuntu Control Center
[23:37] <brieweb> looks like this is it
[23:37] <brieweb> I installed the .27 ppa I found on the net
[23:37] <brieweb> I am not sure what this did to my install
[23:37] <brieweb> might reinstall


[07:29] <drzaius12> Is anyone here using Natty/11.04b1?
[22:59] <pcluser> Greetings. I am trying to get a PCHDTV hd-3000 card running in a lenovo/ibm j115 desktop with integrated 256MB graphics. I get cx88[0]/0: Can't get MMIO memory @ 0x0, subsystem: 7063:3000
[22:59] <pcluser> [   17.376850] cx8800: probe of 0000:03:06.0 failed with error -22.
[23:01] <pcluser> I tried an nvidia pci-express card also, and get same error. I turned off any items on motherboard I could, LAN card, USB, etc. Still looks like I can't share the PCI socket with anything. I removed the pci modem before starting.
[23:02] <pcluser> Thanks, I'll be attending on and off the chat room here.
[23:04] <pcluser> I also flashed the bios to latest with no change.
[23:07] <pcluser> conextant cx88.
[23:58] <Kr0nZ> mythweb listings is showing duplicates for every channel how can i fix it?


[00:10] <Ruint> nn
[00:36] <Ruint> bedtime for me too
[00:36] <Ruint> nite
[08:50] <jacobw> morning
[09:20]  * Laney watches the tumbleweed
[09:21] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[09:22] <Laney> that
[09:24] <popey> on of the guys I work with from Finland says "that" in the morning
[09:24] <popey> me: "morning"
[09:24] <popey> him: "that"
[09:27] <SuperMatt> motninh guys
[09:27] <SuperMatt> morning, even
[09:30] <JamesTait> Happy mic check day, folks! :-D
[09:30] <DJones> Morning all
[09:32] <SuperMatt> 9 days until the world ends
[09:32] <SuperMatt> wooo
[09:33] <Laney> i'm going to start using "now then"
[09:34]  * Laney tries hard to grow a yorkshire accent
[09:41] <Daviey> JamesTait: hah
[10:27] <daubers> Good Moaning
[10:30] <solarcloud_3scrn> Morning All.
[10:31] <DJones> Can anybody think of software to print cd labels on pressit compatible label paper? I'm trying to find something that doesn't need a lot of fiddling to get the positioning right on the page
[11:16] <Laney> survived 1:15 of Laverne this morning
[11:17] <AlanBell> morning all
[11:17] <Laney> Alas I can take no more. Radio: OFF.
[11:17] <AlanBell> anyone know how to read kernel stack traces like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1427352/
[11:18] <AlanBell> kvm died, I get that bit, but what bit of that should I be googling to find if it is a known issue?
[11:18] <einonm> AlanBell: sure. It says 'you're screwed' :)
[11:18] <dwatkins> if it's anything like IRIX, the last system call was kvm_mmu_zap_page
[11:18] <davmor2> AlanBell: you need magic stacktrace glasses ;)
[11:18] <davmor2> AlanBell: you can ask on #ubuntu-kernel
[11:19]  * popey points AlanBell at cking :)
[11:19] <einonm> but try around the kvm_mmu_zap_page+0x84/0x380 [kvm] line and down, that's the call stack. Top item(s) are where the issue would be
[11:19] <davmor2> AlanBell: they can possibly point you to some related docs
[11:20] <mungbean> guys, anyone using chrome , and cannot click fullscreen in youtube anymore?
[11:23] <mungbean> its since the youtube site change i think
[11:24] <davmor2> mungbean: works fine here on 12.04 what version are you running?
[11:25] <mungbean> 12.04
[11:25] <mungbean> on flash videos rather than html5
[11:25] <cking> AlanBell, I suggest filing a bug, this may need some deeper thought
[11:30] <mungbean> davmor2: which version of chrome? i am on 23.0.1271.64
[11:30] <davmor2>  23.0.1271.95
[11:30] <davmor2> mungbean: ^
[11:30] <mungbean> hm
[11:31] <mungbean> applying changes
 Paul McCartney to replace Kurt Cobain in Nirvana reunion
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/12/paul-mccartney-kurt-cobain-nirvana
[11:32] <mungbean> joke, right?
[11:32] <mgdm> the onion have hacked the grauniad, surely
[11:33] <davmor2> directhex: oh yeah such an obvious pairing.......oh wait
[11:35] <directhex> McCartney said: "I didn't really know who they were. They are saying how good it is to be back together. I said: 'Whoa? You guys haven't played together for all that time?'
[11:37] <solarcloud_3scrn> 12/12/12, 12:12:12 soon !
[11:38] <directhex> i'm hungry. someone DCC me a pizza.
[11:41] <jacobw> directhex: that's strange
[11:41] <jacobw> directhex: mccartney/cobain, not pizza
[11:42] <directhex> so no pizza for directhex? :(
[11:44] <jacobw> not from me :p
[11:49] <Laney> 12/12 11:49:19  directhex SEND: 0B of 672B (0%) - 0.00kB/s - ETA (stalled) - pizza
[11:49] <Laney> ;(
[11:58] <mungbean> hey davmor2 crisis over, the chrome update fixed it, ta
[11:59] <davmor2> mungbean: good
[12:00] <mungbean> anyone use clementine?
[12:01] <mungbean> getting some crashes, wuold like to get someone to verify
[12:08] <davmor2> mungbean: if it is crashing and you get an apport dialogue from it just keep reporting the issue and it should get the devs attention
[12:13] <AlanBell> happy 12/12/12 12:12:12 or therabouts
[12:15] <solarcloud_3scrn> AlanBell, Happy retuens yourself !!
[12:15] <solarcloud_3scrn> **returns
[12:16] <Laney> blast, missed it!
[12:16] <solarcloud_3scrn> https://plus.google.com/101579422741533419411/posts/GkaXcMLifNY
[12:17] <Laney> "daddy, what were you doing at 121212 12/12/12? building debug packages for a mp3 decoding library, son"
[12:17] <solarcloud_3scrn> https://plus.google.com/101416609667524559141/posts/enzrJamuffG
[12:21] <solarcloud_3scrn> No tidal wave, No solar eclipse, No typhon .. this is very dissappointing .. Who do I complain to ? And, No, god does not exist !
[12:21] <solarcloud_3scrn> **typhoon..
[12:45] <solarcloud_3scrn> Uk premier of The Hobbit tonight !
[12:51] <andylockran> yup
[12:51] <andylockran> should be fun; a mate is taking his mum for Xmas
[12:52]  * solarcloud_3scrn has just realised that 12:12:12 is not happening at the same time all over the world :(
[12:58] <solarcloud_3scrn> andylockran, I hear it is not as good as LOTR .. but I will still get the download ..
[12:59] <mungbean> we may wait for dvd as i hear it is 3hrs +
[13:00] <mungbean> will need a babysitter for whole afternoon
[13:33] <RaycisCharles> solarcloud_3scrn: it is happening at the same time - time zones are an artificial construct.
[13:33] <RaycisCharles> Of course, the only correct time is GMT or GMT+1.
[13:33] <solarcloud_3scrn> really ?
[13:33] <RaycisCharles> Yes, really.
[13:33] <RaycisCharles> All other time zones are political correctness gone mad.
[13:34]  * solarcloud_3scrn is not sure ..
[13:34] <solarcloud_3scrn> RaycisCharles, What presidence are you tryig to construct ??
[13:36]  * RaycisCharles brain assplode
[13:36] <solarcloud_3scrn> easy cowboy !
[14:01] <mungbean> rewarding potty training with temple run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3MNFrwpGHQ
[14:02] <mungbean> makes the little fella so happy
[14:06] <popey> friend of mine rewarded potty training with pieces of brio track
[14:06] <mungbean> good idea
[14:07] <mungbean> currently doing 1 sticker, 1 choc button and 10 attempts on temple run
[14:07] <mungbean> if whole day with no accidents then larger prizes available
[14:07] <mungbean> tiring work
[14:07] <mungbean> wanna go bak to work for a rest
[14:08] <mungbean> apparently toad in the hole is a prize too
[14:39] <solarcloud_3scrn> Today is national sound check day 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2.
[14:45] <solarcloud_3scrn> Anyone gardening today ?? https://plus.google.com/104455109882694931155/posts/2BjJREiL4oL
[14:48] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps
[14:49]  * SuperMatt peeps at bigcalm
[14:49] <bigcalm> I say!
[14:54] <dutchie> o/ bigcalm
[15:18] <MooDoo> hello all
[15:25] <bigcalm> dutchie: haven't seen you around here for a while
[15:25] <bigcalm> Hi MooDoo
[15:34] <davmor2> mrevell: Hey dude so can I pin down your maybe a bit more now?
[15:34] <davmor2> gord: you gonna come down on Thursday you maybe too busy to ever come again :)
[15:35] <gord> i have plague
[15:35] <dutchie> bigcalm: not been around in here is why
[15:35] <davmor2> gord: you stay at home with your manflu then
[15:35] <gord> it is plague :(
[15:36] <gord> london gave it to me, london is full of plague
[15:40] <czajkowski> hahah
[15:41] <davmor2> gord: ah sprint flu
[15:43] <gord> sprints are great, you bring 20 people from all over the world together to swap diseases
[15:44] <davmor2> gord: we had 50 odd in a smallish room
[15:46] <Laney> they should give out face masks
[15:58] <creativetux> Does anyone know of a DVB-T viewer like Kaffeine that supports multiple frontends but isn't KDE ?
[16:07] <einonm> creativetux: you mean like VLC or mplayer? Not sure exactly what you're trying to achieve
[16:08] <creativetux> My Hauppage has multiple frontends, DVB-T and DVB-S along with a few others, Kaffeine supports using multiple frontends so it works, but its KDE and I don't run KDE
[16:08] <creativetux> So looking for alternative TV viewer for use with it
[16:09] <davmor2> creativetux: you can still install Kaffeine
[16:09] <einonm> I think you can still install kde stuff on gnome
[16:09] <creativetux> Yeah I ahve done but its extra stuff I don't really want or need on the system
[16:09] <jacobw> creativetux: does VLC support that?
[16:09] <bigcalm> mrevell: can you confirm attendance for Thursday?
[16:09] <creativetux> I'll check jacobw
[16:10] <mrevell> bigcalm, Is it still just in the cafe?
[16:10] <bigcalm> Yes
[16:10] <davmor2> creativetux: tvtime, vlc, metv, totem with a bit of kicking and screaming..........
[16:10] <mrevell> Hmm. I have a few calls that could do with a more private area. I can't commit but it's not definitely a no.
[16:11] <creativetux> vlc will probably but doesn't have a nice way of changing channels, tvtime supports multiple frontends now and DVB-T?
[16:11] <einonm> creativetux: or there's distro based things like xbmc or myth-tv
[16:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: do you want to do it with just the 2 of us?
[16:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: that sounds so wrong
[16:11] <creativetux> myth is way too much over the top
[16:12] <creativetux> I dont think tvtime is DVB-T
[16:13] <einonm> If you like kaffeine and have a standard PC setup, do the extra packages really matter for a technical reason, or are you just being picky about it?
[16:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: I would say that it was your mind at fault :P
[16:14] <creativetux> Its extra weight and resources I could use elsewhere
[16:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: I wouldn't argue with that, erm I'll leave that up to you as it is you that has to do the travelling really
[16:15] <bigcalm> True
[16:15] <bigcalm> Lets see how I feel after the LUG xmas meal tonight ;)
[16:15] <einonm> creativetux: use mplayer on the cmdln if you're needing to use it with as little resources as possible
[16:16] <creativetux> einonm: got a viable solution to the problem, I'm sure the Mrs wouldn't approve of command line just to watch tv!
[16:18] <einonm> :) Hmm, is 'extra weight and resources I could use elsewhere' being picky, or can you measure the difference?
[16:19] <creativetux> its running on a media pc Atom CPU I need to spare everything I can.  I think dvb-client and dvb-daemon might work!
[16:23] <creativetux> ok, its scanning channels now, this could work along with the totem plugin
[16:42] <Azelphur> wtf, BT just told me it's gonna take till feb 2013 to get internet connected
[16:42]  * Azelphur cancels that so hard
[16:43] <SuperMatt> -.-
[16:44] <SuperMatt> I don't understand why anything should take longer than a week
[16:44] <SuperMatt> if you got backlog, hire more people to clear it
[16:44] <Azelphur> indeed
[16:44] <creativetux> What area are you in Azelphur
[16:44] <Azelphur> Margate, Kent
[16:45] <creativetux> so not rural then, thats an insane lead time
[16:45] <Azelphur> yea lol
[16:45] <creativetux> unless the exchange isn't ready?
[16:45] <Azelphur> they didn't even give me an appointment, they just said I would be contacted to arrange an appointment in feb 2013
[16:45] <Azelphur> nah the exchange is ready
[16:48] <creativetux> Margate says 20Mb Upload with infinity, darn, I get 10! LOL
[16:48] <Azelphur> the lady on the phone acted like it was all normal, fine and dandy, and that I should just go ~3 months without internet/phone haha
[17:01] <gord> 20mbit upload is nice, but the 80mbit download is nicer
[17:02] <Azelphur> any upload or download would be nice :P
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2368090704.png
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> though it's actually 100/100
[17:02] <Azelphur> shh you
[17:02] <Azelphur> :p
[17:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> From my office: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2368098149.png
[17:06]  * MartijnVdS ran shotwell (at home) over ssh -X (from work) today
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> and it performed acceptably
[18:04] <jacobw> evening
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:20] <jacobw> o/
[18:20] <solarcloud_3scrn> Anyone listening to the ubuntu-uk podcast ?? http://uupc.tonywhitmore.co.uk/uupc/s05/e21/uupc_s05e21.mp3
[18:20] <jacobw> not right now
[18:20] <jacobw> i guess i could :|
[18:21] <solarcloud_3scrn> guess i've been listening for 30 minutes now :)
[18:22] <solarcloud_3scrn> heres the notes / website ... http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud_3scrn: we know :)
[18:34] <solarcloud_3scrn> MartijnVdS, I did leave a voice mail this week for them.
[18:39]  * popey listens to the voicemail
[19:38] <Azelphur> I'm starting to feel like I live in an Internet black hole
[20:14] <solarcloud_3scrn> Azelphur, Sounds like a new Red Dwarf episode :)
[20:14] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:14] <Azelphur> BT: We can connect you some time after February, maybe
[20:14] <Azelphur> Sky: Our availability checker is bugged so we can't proceed with the order, and rectifying this issue is likely to take months
[20:15] <Azelphur> :<
[20:16] <RaycisCharles> They hate you.
[20:16] <Azelphur> it's true
[20:17] <solarcloud_3scrn> has anyone got /anything/ positive to say here ?
[20:18] <popey> I like tacos
[20:19] <RaycisCharles> solarcloud_3scrn: yeah, Mint rulez.
[20:20] <solarcloud_3scrn> RaycisCharles, I am distrurbed by the lack of cheer in you .. maybe I'll ignore you .. thinking about it.
[20:32] <RaycisCharles> Go hang yourself, solarcloud_3scrn.
[20:33] <solarcloud_3scrn> lovely.
[20:36] <RaycisCharles> http://www.amazon.co.uk/NATURAL-20mm-Decking-Boating-Climbing/dp/B008FQJOVM/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1355344550&sr=8-13 Add this to your basket
[20:41] <Azelphur> yea, this sucks lol
[20:41] <Azelphur> sky won't sell me anything because of a bug, BT are gonna connect me sometime maybe never
[20:41] <Azelphur> :<
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> aww
[20:42] <popey> virgin?
[20:42] <Azelphur> popey: no cable here
[20:42] <popey> well that was silly :)
[20:42] <Azelphur> unless virgin do FTTC now?
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://uk.ses-broadband.com/
[20:43] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha
[20:43] <RaycisCharles> Azelphur, they have for a long time.
[20:44] <RaycisCharles> Azelphur: http://www.trangobroadband.com/
[20:44] <Azelphur> RaycisCharles: lol
[20:44] <RaycisCharles> Mount one on the side of MartijnVdS's wooden shoe house.
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[20:45] <RaycisCharles> We used to have a laser link between two campuses
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> RaycisCharles: too bad it's foggy so often in the UK ;)
[20:46] <RaycisCharles> The link would always go down from time to time. Turns out one transmitter was facing the sun with no filter.
[20:46] <RaycisCharles> It was like that for 5 years lol.
[20:46] <RaycisCharles> IDJITS
[20:49] <directhex> Azelphur, virgin's "fibre optic broadband" is fttc, but it's carried over docsis3 cable, not bt phone lines, from cabinet -> home
[20:51] <Azelphur> directhex: yea, I meant BT FTTC rather than Virgin FTTC
[20:51] <Azelphur> why won't anybody take my money
[20:51] <Azelphur> :<
[20:52] <RaycisCharles> Your money's no good here.
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: next time, check before moving :P
[20:56] <jacobw> lol
[21:01] <L0ki> a while ago there was a program to change the brightness of the screen according to the time of day...Any ideas pse?
[21:06] <L0ki> found it....F.lux......
[21:27] <RaycisCharles> F.lux is a good app.
[22:12] <Azelphur> Had a good talk with a specialist at sky, they can connect me now, the deal they are offering isn't exactly great though :(
[23:01] <directhex> Azelphur, at 10pm??!?1
[23:02] <Azelphur> yep
[23:03] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/December/Superfast%20Fibre%20Broadband%20-%20TalkTalk-225505.png
[23:03] <Azelphur> talktalk gives me amazing estimated download speeds
[23:09] <AlanBell> popey: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/pics/pano1.jpg
[23:09] <AlanBell> fun with cameras :)
[23:10] <czajkowski> AlanBell: nice
[23:10] <popey> haha
[23:11] <AlanBell> so that was 20 exposures, averaged with imagemagic then move the camera left 200px then repeat that 10 times then stitch together in hugin
[23:12] <AlanBell> if I make the loops bigger I think I can do a *huge* image of really quite high quality
[23:13] <AlanBell> just by taking stacks of snapshots and moving the camera a little bit each time and sorting it out in software
[23:13] <AlanBell> zoom, enhance! just like CSI :)
[23:15] <popey> put 4 on top of your car, drive around and sell the pictures to google images :D
[23:15] <popey> s/images/streetview/
[23:15] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/pad there is loads of noise in the original image but blending lots of them gets rid of it all
[23:15] <AlanBell> drive around *slowly*
[23:16] <Azelphur> what is the general opinion of talktalk these days? they seem to have an unlimited 76mbit plan that is substantially cheaper than most other providers
[23:22] <Myrtti> we're on TalkTalk Business for whatever reason, inlaws are moving over from Business to the Private plan with the Youview box deal
[23:23] <Myrtti> our location is in the middle of Hicksville where there's little more action than the odd rabbit here and there and swooshing of the windmills, but we get 12-14 out of 16 that we pay for
[23:24] <Azelphur> nice
[23:25] <Myrtti> we just seem to have poor luck with whatever networking gear we're using
[23:26] <Myrtti> I've said this before but it's worth repeating so nobody does the same mistakes - Don't Buy Belkin
[23:26] <Azelphur> haha
[23:27] <Myrtti> next time might consider just buying a ADSL router and hooking up a Fon 2.0n box on it, I'm sure it can't get worse than what the Belkin does.
[23:28] <czajkowski> popey: I've outdone myself this time, packed for mondays flight today
[23:28] <czajkowski> I think I may have a bit of ocd :s
[23:28] <Myrtti> I hate Belkin gear with the power of thousand burning suns nowadays and I can't recommend their networking gear to anyone.
[23:28] <Myrtti> not even my worse enemies
[23:32] <shauno> czajkowski: I'm jealous.  I usually finish packing while I'm waiting for the taxi
[23:33] <czajkowski> shauno: I've the canonical UK xmas do tomorrow night, and a busy weekend ahead of me
[23:33] <shauno> if I'm packed too early, I just get paranoid that I've missed something, and keep repacking until the last minute anyway
[23:33] <czajkowski> so thought it best to be organised
[23:33] <Azelphur> https://twitter.com/Azelphur/status/279005683100286976 hehe
[23:35] <AlanBell> I think my megapanorama is working :)
[23:50] <Myrtti> also: Wohey, Ingress! and also: Wohey, Google Play Magazines
[23:53] <Myrtti> oh dear god
[23:53] <Myrtti> I looked for Linux magazines and guess who's ugly mug stares at me now in the damned Google Play Magazines store screenshots
[23:55] <popey> jono?
[23:55] <Myrtti> yup
[23:55] <popey> heh
[23:55] <Myrtti> dingdingding
[23:56] <Myrtti> you've won a prize!
[23:56] <popey> \o/
[23:56] <popey> did I win a jono?
[23:56] <mgdm> Yes. A bit like those meerkats.
[23:56] <Myrtti> shush
[23:56] <Myrtti> we've got meerkat mugs now
[23:56] <popey> i still have a meerkat which grows in water
[23:57] <popey> i bought when on holiday at the point maverick was around
[23:57] <popey> I also have a narwhal
[23:57] <popey> two in fact
[23:58] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykwqXuMPsoc
[23:58] <Myrtti> can't order Linux Format because jono
[23:59] <Myrtti> it's tainted now.
[23:59] <mgdm> did he not used to write for it, back in ze day?


[00:51] <JoseLuis_> estoy vivo?
[00:51] <wedgie> soy muerto
[00:53] <JoseLuis_> he he he, I thought that it was disconnected.
[01:26] <nacc> jgrimm: fyi, dogtag-pki finally built, it's migrating now, tests are queued, i'll check again in the AM
[01:26] <jgrimm> nacc, thanks sir
[02:18] <fishcooker> is there any apps like iostat for cpu and memory usage ?
[02:23] <OerHeks> fishcooker, top or htop
[06:29] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:30] <GPenguin> moin
[07:39] <thrasos> Hello :-)
[07:40] <thrasos> First time installing ubuntu-server anything you'd suggest
[07:41] <thrasos> I mean't is there anything you'd suggest? (any pitfalls to avoid etc)
[07:41] <sarnold> if it's going on the live internet please disable password authentication in sshd_config as soon as you can
[07:43] <thrasos> sounds important thanks!
[07:50] <boichev> thrasos: sounds like you are playing around wiht linux servers is this right
[07:51] <thrasos> that is true
[07:54] <boichev> thrasos: check htop it is really a nice way to monitor the server resources
[07:57] <thrasos> thanks for the tip
[08:00] <sarnold> thrasos: you can use 'apt-cache search' to search for packages to install; it searches both descriptions and names. you can use apt-cache show to see more information on the package, and apt-get install to install it
[08:07] <thrasos>  excellent
[08:10] <boichev> thrasos: If you need something speciffic just tell us a direction :), a software raid with mdadm. You can mix random disk sizes (with equal partitions) and raid1 is super nice for redundancy ... many here will disagree with my love to software raid but it did gread job for me on many servers
[08:11] <sarnold> <3 zfs
[08:13] <boichev> +1 on zfs it is really REALLY nice
[08:22] <maxagaz> hi
[08:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:13] <JanC> ZFS has advantages and disadvantages
[09:14] <JanC> it seems like ZFS is not as predictable as linux software RAID + ext4 when it comes to performance
[09:14] <lordievader> Wasn't it supposed to be superior? (Never used it...)
[09:15] <JanC> and you can't expand a ZFS RAID with extra disks, like you can with software RAID
[09:16] <JanC> well, you can, but not in the same way as you can with software RAID (you need to create a new volume with multiple disks)
[09:16] <JanC> OTOH, it has much better integrity checking of course, and features like de-duplication
[09:17] <JanC> and it supports compressed files (although that's not useful if you use it primarily for already compressed files)
[09:18] <JanC> one nice feature is also that you can enforce UTF-8 filenames  :)
[09:38] <PhoenixMage> Hi guys, there are few iscsi packages floating around and I am wondering which one is the most stable for a home lab NAS, integration with the zfs commands would be a plus
[10:28] <valbr> hi all :)
[10:28] <valbr> Is there a possibility to make a fan profile for a 3 pin fan
[10:28] <valbr> fancontrol does it for a PWM fan, but not a 3 pin fan. can it be done with a 3 pin fan too?
[10:39] <maxagaz> I have installed a headless virtual box on my server A, this virtual box contains another ubuntu server B. I can ssh from my laptop to server A, and from server A to server B, but how can I ssh directly from my laptop to server B ?
[11:00] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I updated the blueprint to find any outstanding merges in there that aren't already in proposed. I have nut, logwatch and python-django. Are you taking care of logwatch today? I'll look at nut (I think it's pending my review from caribou) today. nacc isn't here but I'll ask him about python-django later.
[11:00] <rbasak> roaksoax: ^
[11:35] <cpaelzer> rbasak: yeah logwatch is already in proposed now
[11:36] <cpaelzer> rbasak: IIRC python-django had something about test failures - the log of the IRC meeting has some details, but in any way nacc is the right one to know
[11:39] <rbasak> cpaelzer: ah great. Thanks!
[11:39] <rbasak> (re: logwatch)
[12:10] <Genk1> Hello all!
[12:10] <Genk1> Is disabling Ipv6 support a good practice ? why ?
[12:11] <hateball> If you have an ill configured network it can give you grief
[12:11] <Tm_T> I'd rather fix the network
[12:12] <Genk1> Hmm OK, but what is the risk of having ipv6 disabled ?
[12:13] <hateball> That you cant communicate over ipv6 if you need to
[12:43] <patdk-lap> loosing half the internet!
[12:46] <cpaelzer> rbasak: and migrated, I see you already set done - thanks
[12:58] <lordievader> Genk1: Nowadays you want to slowly move to ipv6. So do try to leave it enabled.
[13:00] <Genk1> lordievader, OK thanks!
[13:03] <zioproto> Hello, is nish aravamudan in this chat ?
[13:03] <rbasak> zioproto: he's nacc, but not here right now.
[13:03] <zioproto> rbasak, thanks, I wanted to ping him about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet/+bug/1570472
[13:03] <zioproto> do you know on what time zone is he ?
[13:04] <rbasak> zioproto: UTC-8.
[13:05] <zioproto> thanks !
[13:42] <rbasak> caribou: around? I'm just writing up review notes from nut now. As we need to upload today for FF, do you have time for some tight review loops, or would you like me to just take care of it?
[13:43] <rbasak> Sorry it's been so late coming. It's (almost) one of the last ones left :-/
[13:45] <rbasak> caribou: also I'll suggest tweaking the changelog a bit. I can propose the change, but would like an ack for you before keeping your name on it.
[13:48] <zioproto> I am trying to understand in LP if there is a list of merge requests against the puppet package
[13:48] <zioproto> I arrived here https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet/
[14:07] <zioproto> rbasak, reading all the story of LP bug #1570472 probably I could ask also to you
[14:12] <rbasak> zioproto: I'm not really current with what the issue exactly is. Could you perhaps summarise in the bug, effectively rewriting the bug report including all the information that others have gathered in comments, and identify any inconsistencies?
[14:13] <zioproto> sure, I'll try my best
[14:13] <rbasak> Thanks!
[14:13] <zioproto> should I then make also a merge request on launchpad like I do with the openstack packages ?
[14:14] <rbasak> We don't have an official repo branch for puppet packaging in Ubuntu. Normally attaching a debdiff to the bug is fine.
[14:14] <zioproto> What is this then ? ~usd-import-team/ubuntu/+source/puppet
[14:14] <rbasak> I was just looking that up for you :)
[14:14] <rbasak> It's our experimental work on git branches for Ubuntu packages.
[14:15] <rbasak> If it's current, feel free to file a merge proposal against the appropriate branch in there.
[14:15] <rbasak> If it's not current, we can bring it up to current manually on request.
[14:18] <zioproto> but how is it possible that this bug is open since April 2016 ?
[14:19] <zioproto> every puppet user is still on trusty ? :)
[14:19] <patdk-wk> hmm, it's only since april
[14:19] <patdk-wk> it would be more concerning if it was april 2012
[14:19] <rbasak> No idea. We'd be quite happy to fix it if we were clear on the details of the problem.
[14:20] <rbasak> Also, there's a trivial workaround posted in the bug.
[14:21] <zioproto> the workaround does not work if you dont have a site.pp
[14:21] <zioproto> we use foreman
[14:21] <rbasak> I suspect there are far fewer users in that situation.
[14:22] <zioproto> soon tons of people are going to be forced to do the trusty xenial upgrade
[14:22] <rbasak> ...who don't have a site.pp and use foreman?
[14:25] <zioproto> I just mean that if you have a puppet master with external_nodes you cannot apply the workaround
[14:25]  * rbasak shrugs
[14:25] <zioproto> the packages from the PPA work okay, and also other users reported they work
[14:25] <rbasak> Like I say, we'd be happy to fix it if someone who cares comes along and tell us what to do.
[14:25] <zioproto> I dont understand what is the blocking factor
[14:26] <rbasak> We need to know that it's the minimal fix and there's no regression risk.
[14:26] <zioproto> I think we need to wait for nacc
[14:26] <rbasak> Since the set of people who test the PPA are a biased sample representing only one use case.
[14:26] <rbasak> To understand the regression risk, we need to understand what scenarios are affected, how and why.
[14:26] <zioproto> do you know if the tree where the PPA is buillt from is published somewhere ?
[14:27] <rbasak> Yes. See the PPA page. You can get the sources from there.
[14:27] <rbasak> "and there's no regression risk" -> well, there's never *no* regression risk, but we do want to minimise it, and for that we need a good understanding of the problem and the fix. Saying "the patch works" isn't good enough for a proposed change to a stable release.
[14:27] <zioproto> https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/lp1570472
[14:28] <zioproto> if I click on code
[14:28] <rbasak> "View package details"
[14:28] <rbasak> Open the arrow against the version/series you want.
[14:28] <rbasak> You can download the source package files from there.
[14:30] <zioproto> ok
[14:30] <rbasak> zioproto: thank you for driving this. We appreciate your help.
[14:35] <zioproto> rbasak, I understand how to get diff from 3.8.5-2ubuntu1~ppa7 to 3.8.5-2ubuntu1~ppa8
[14:35] <zioproto> but this means it is the version number 8 of the PPA ?
[14:36] <zioproto> I would like to diff against che Xenial package
[14:36] <zioproto> I mean the buggy one that is delivered to the world :)
[14:36] <rbasak> zioproto: you might find https://git.launchpad.net/usd-importer/tree/git-dsc-commit useful
[14:37] <rbasak> It imports a Debian source package into a fresh git commit. Then you can use git to diff as normal.
[14:37] <rbasak> zioproto: check out the correct parent commit first, eg. ubuntu/xenial-devel if the PPA package is based on that.
[14:37] <zioproto> okay, so I use it with https://launchpad.net/~nacc/+archive/ubuntu/lp1570472/+files/puppet_3.8.5-2ubuntu1~ppa8.dsc
[14:38] <rbasak> zioproto: yes, but you also need the associated files. You can use dget to pull them from the dsc URL automatically.
[14:52] <coreycb> zul, backports should be back to normal soon for ocata
[14:53] <zul> ack
[14:55] <isthakur>  I am trying to run a php based application on my LAMP server which is reporting error 500 can any one help me. I have a a scripts that run well on LAMP server with php6 but not working with PHP7
[14:56] <lordievader> Have you checked the logs?
[14:57] <isthakur> where to find?
[14:58] <lordievader> Logs usually go to /var/log
[14:58] <lordievader> If you are using Apache with mod_php you want to look into the error log of Apache.
[15:08] <isthakur> Thank you lordievader. Trying to figure out the issue.
[15:09] <lordievader> What is the error?
[15:19] <isthakur> unable to figure out. accidently deleted the error log.
[15:20] <isthakur> now nothing is being added to it.
[15:20] <lordievader> Restart apache ;)
[15:26] <isthakur> Thanks dear.
[15:26] <isthakur> [Thu Feb 16 20:53:51.821767 2017] [:error] [pid 22108] [client <IP_ADDRESS>:59574] PHP Warning:  require(include/RequirementsValidation.php): failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/isthakur/data/isthakur/Sites/yetiforce/index.php on line 17
[15:26] <isthakur> [Thu Feb 16 20:53:51.821822 2017] [:error] [pid 22108] [client <IP_ADDRESS>:59574] PHP Fatal error:  require(): Failed opening required 'include/RequirementsValidation.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php') in /home/isthakur/data/isthakur/Sites/yetiforce/index.php on line 17
[15:26] <isthakur> permision is fine i.e. 644 on index.php
[15:30] <isthakur> permission on folder was not given to other so corrected that but now there is a huge list of errors. I will try to fix it and then let you know. Thank you very much for showing me the route to troubleshoot the problem
[15:30] <lordievader> Can you browse to that file and read it as the apache user (www-data)?
[15:31] <isthakur> now yes
[15:31] <isthakur> I have to leave right now. for half an hour. catch you later.
[15:31] <isthakur> and once again thank you very much.
[15:32] <lordievader> No problem
[16:01] <zioproto> rbasak, the git-dsc-commit too is perfect :) I was able to diff the ppa code from the current stable. The patch LGTM. What is the workflow to propose the patch for the proposed Xenial packages ? Should not nacc do it ? He is the original authro
[16:05] <cpaelzer> jamespage: on your work snapping qemu/libvirt did you create an interface that covers /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock-ro ?
[16:06] <cpaelzer> or the non read-only version
[16:07] <cpaelzer> hmm I found a libvirt interface, checking definition
[16:09] <rbasak> zioproto: anyone can do it. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure, and just attach something usable to the bug (that includes packaging changes such as the version in debian/changelog) and subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsors to the bug.
[16:20] <Amgine> Question: When there is network links from my IP to an IP blocked via iptables, that likely means my server is compromised, yes?
[16:22] <zioproto> Amgine, what do you mean with 'network links'
[16:22] <zioproto> ?
[16:22] <Amgine> using iftop shows data connection, outbound.
[16:24] <Amgine> zioproto: https://dpaste.de/HJUh/raw
[16:26] <zioproto> this is the output of a command like ss ?
[16:26] <Amgine> sudo iftop, it is like top only for network traffic.
[16:26] <zioproto> try ss -tp
[16:28] <zioproto> do you see a connection ESTABILISHED with that host ?
[16:29] <Amgine> No. Nor do I see a connection for the steady streams of spiders, bots, and browsers.
[16:29] <Amgine> But I think I understand what you're suggesting.
[16:29] <zioproto> Amgine, do you see more stuff with ss -tpa ?
[16:30] <Amgine> Just me.
[16:30] <zioproto> It could be that the traffic you see with iftop is just ICMP replies that your port is closed. Or maybe you are sending TCP RST
[16:32] <Amgine> kk. Just being paranoid, I suppose.
[16:36] <zioproto> nacc, welcome in ! :) I was waiting for you :D
[16:37] <zioproto> nacc, I have a production openstack cloud where the Trusty to Xenial upgrade is blocked by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet/+bug/1570472
[16:38] <zioproto> nacc, I looked at the diff between the package shipped in Xenial and the ppa you published on launchpad. Changes look ok. There is a reason why this patch was not yet proposed to Xenial ?
[16:38] <nacc> zioproto: mostly business :) i have been waiting for upstream feedback on it
[16:39] <nacc> *busyness
[16:39] <nacc> zioproto: let me prepare an SRU today for it
[16:39] <zioproto> yahoo :)
[16:39] <zioproto> if I can help tell me what I have to do
[16:39] <nacc> zioproto: thanks!
[16:39] <zioproto> usually for openstack packages I make a merge request of my git tree on launchpad, but I guess SRU has a bit more of burocracy
[16:40] <nacc> zioproto: yeah, but in this case, pretty easy to argue for
[16:42] <zioproto> nacc, leaving the office soon, I sent you my mail in pvt
[16:42] <zioproto> of you need any testing to be done write to me
[16:42] <nacc> zioproto: thanks again
[16:42] <zioproto> also, if we go to production using your PPA on launchpad, can we rely on that PPA to be available ?
[16:43] <nacc> zioproto: i won't remove it, and it should get trumped by the SRU
[16:43] <zioproto> ok great
[16:43] <zioproto> the problem is that Openstack MItaka is the only release support both on trusty and xenial
[16:44] <zioproto> so we have to upgrade to xenial to move on to openstack newton
[16:44] <zioproto> so I guess a lot of openstack people will soon move to Xenial
[16:44] <zioproto> better get this puppet thing fixed :D
[16:44] <zioproto> I have to go ! thanks for the help !
[18:17] <zul> coreycb: do we need a blanket FFE?
[18:18] <coreycb> zul, i don't think we do this cycle.  it might be worth emailing the release team though just to keep them in the loop.
[20:34] <teward> rbasak: another 'merge' update was pushed by me just now, it's a minor minor packaging strings change for debian/control but it syncs us up with Debian except for our delta that we add.
[20:34] <teward> sarnold: jgrimm: ^ just an FYI
[20:34] <teward> (for nginx)
[20:34] <jgrimm> teward, ack
[20:36] <teward> hopefully that sneaks in right before FF goes into effect
[20:36] <teward> otherwise, it probably can be FFe'd without issue
[20:39] <jgrimm> yup! :)
[20:40] <teward> whoopsies I left junk .save files stupid editor crashes
[20:41] <teward> nginx -1ubuntu2 inbound heh.
[20:41] <teward> someone please shoot me for my screw up
[20:41] <teward> the taser is over on the desk :P
[20:41] <nacc> `git status` ftw
[20:41] <teward> nacc: not git tracked
[20:41] <teward> *manual* merge
[20:42] <nacc> or `git status --ignored`
[20:42] <teward> nacc: ^ not git tracked.  Yet.
[20:42] <nacc> bah, you can still do it in a git repo locally :)
[20:42] <teward> nacc: I *could* except that these're minor fixes.
[20:42] <teward> In any case, it's uploaded/fixed finally hopefully in time for FFe.
[20:42] <teward> I need coffee, really.
[20:42] <teward> Release team is probably going to slap me for so many uploads today xD
[20:42] <nacc> :)
[20:43] <teward> nacc: it'll be tracked *soon* on my own gitlab.  I couldn't reliably use any git workflows because of some very evil merge conflicts
[20:43] <teward> that basically needed start-over-from-scratch for the delta
[20:43] <teward> and about a month of headbanging against fPIE/fPIC
[20:43] <nacc> teward: oh i get that, i just meant, it's trivial to just do a `git init` locally when you start, then you know what you are changing from the debian version, at least -- even if manual
[20:44] <nacc> teward: i've found my own mistakes in trivial merges by doing that
[20:44] <nacc> teward: but on to bigger and better things any ways :)
[20:44] <teward> nacc: true, but i also have an automated testbuild workflow that would kill that :P
[20:44] <teward> so blah
[20:44] <teward> in any case, it's *now* git-worthy since the dynamic module stuff is in
[20:44] <nacc> :)
[20:45] <teward> I should go get coffee though now heh
[20:45]  * genii 's ears perk up for a second at the mention of coffee
[20:46] <teward> genii: give.
[20:46] <teward> :P
[20:46] <teward> wow Chrome crashed lol
[20:47]  * genii covertly meets Juan Valdez at the Columbian border and obtains coffee for teward
[20:49]  * genii hand-roasts the beans, grinds them in an antique brass grinder, prepares enough for 1 large mug in the French press.
[20:49]  * genii slides teward the mug
[20:50]  * teward takes, and disappears gradually (with the coffee and the mug) into the shadowy mists that seemed to just 'appear' in the periphery of the channel.
[20:59] <PhoenixMage> Hi guys, there are few iscsi packages floating around and I am wondering which one is the most stable for a home lab NAS
[21:19] <patdk-wk> heh, depends on what your doing
[21:19] <patdk-wk> for me, all of them are stable
[21:19] <patdk-wk> it's more in what you want to interface with it
[21:20] <patdk-wk> lio seems to be so dymaically changing, that if you want to script it (use pacemaker with it), it keeps changing and it's hard to use
[21:28] <PhoenixMage> Its mainly for my lab ESXi boxes, I am migrating to ubuntu from freenas
[21:29] <wedgie> for that you may be just as well off with NFS if you don't find a satisfactory answer for iscsi
[21:31] <PhoenixMage> wedgie: Yeah I am thinking of moving them to NFS but at the moment I have a collection of them on an iscsi volume. If I upgrade to 10G interfaces then NFS is apparently the way to go anyway
[21:32] <wedgie> PhoenixMage: you're moving from freenas... will you be using zfs on the ubuntu system as well? If so that's a double good reason to go NFS. Much more graceful handling of compression
[21:33] <patdk-wk> unless your real issue is, your stuck on 1gbit network, and attempting to balance over multible
[21:33] <patdk-wk> but then make sure your iscsi service can make use of multipathing
[21:33] <patdk-wk> but nfs would be perferred though, as you don't have to worry about empty space reclaiming
[21:34] <wedgie> indeed. One glorious day NFS will support multipathing but it's not quite standard yet, as I understand it. Haven't looked into it for about a year though
[21:34] <PhoenixMage> wedgie: yeah zfs on ubuntu, just improted all my zpools
[21:38] <wedgie> huh, maybe nfs4.1 with multipathing *is* a thing already: http://packetpushers.net/multipathing-nfs4-1-kvm/
[21:39] <wedgie> oh, wait, requires recompliling the kernel. So yeah, not quite prime-time just yet
[21:40] <PhoenixMage> I am running a lagg across 4 interfaces and 3 hosts, not ideal
[21:40] <PhoenixMage> Anyway, seems I might just go with any of the iscsi implementations and migrate to nfs


[00:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: around now
[00:43] <bluesabre> Just finished a podcast interview with destination linux
[00:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: got things done :)
[00:45] <flocculant> evening sir :)
[00:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: did you read that mail?
[00:48] <bluesabre> flocculant: not yet, been stressed about a podcast interview for a week :D
[00:48] <flocculant> oh that's bad :(
[00:48] <bluesabre> pulling it up now
[00:49] <bluesabre> I'm a nervous wreck in front of a camera or a presentation
[00:50] <flocculant> I will ensure that from this day forth any mail I send you can be taken as a tramadol/codeine/*zapam/anydrugofchoice substitute - and enough to make anyone smile in future then :)
[00:50] <Unit193> bluesabre: Soo, what was the point in messing around with the PPAs?
[00:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: you do good - I know the feeling
[00:51] <flocculant> Unit193: really? no ice-cream for the gibbering wreck?
[00:51] <flocculant> wicked
[00:51] <flocculant> :p
[00:51] <bluesabre> flocculant, Unit193: we'll be keeping https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging artful synced to our bionic packages, more or less
[00:51] <bluesabre> Should be the only PPA needed
[00:51] <flocculant> 0_0
[00:52] <bluesabre> for QA purposes
[00:52] <flocculant> confused
[00:52] <flocculant> or the draft was
[00:52] <bluesabre> https://wiki.xubuntu.org/devel/ppa summarizes
[00:52] <flocculant> I'm looking to get as many people as we can checking stuff before it almsot lands?
[00:53] <Unit193> bluesabre: I thought the point was so that we wouldn't be making the same mistake and ship development releases in an LTS again...
[00:53] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes
[00:53] <flocculant> bluesabre: at the monent qa can just wait then - staging is empty
[00:53] <Unit193> Maybe we should just not go LTS on this release?
[00:54] <flocculant> that
[00:54] <bluesabre> We'll be updating the things that are already devel-level and in the archive where it makes sense
[00:54] <flocculant> question
[00:54] <bluesabre> And for most other things, we won't ship in bionic
[00:54] <flocculant> do we actually HAVE to lts?
[00:55] <Unit193> I mean I'd prefer if we did do an LTS, and then just have a PPA that people can add and then add that to the release announcement.  Have the best of both worlds.
[00:55] <flocculant> bluesabre: then perhaps the ppa levels are wrong?
[00:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: I saw the pad, it seemed to want all the things. :/
[00:56] <flocculant> I don't know - seems that the longer I'm around the less I know what we expect
[00:56] <bluesabre> http://pad.ubuntu.com/PyIIYsyIfn
[00:56] <flocculant> personally I don't care what we ship - or at what release
[00:57] <flocculant> what I care about is what to ask people to test
[00:57] <bluesabre> Unit193: The top section with links and version numbers are things we already have or are probably want
[00:57] <flocculant> currently that is the iso only
[00:57] <bluesabre> Everything else is PPA only
[00:58] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r533 Change `librsvg-2-devel` to `librsvg2-devel`... (by Ashesh)
[00:58] <flocculant> I'll let you lot work it all out
[00:58] <flocculant> then you can point akxwi-dave and me at stuff
[00:58] <Unit193> bluesabre: And xfce4-appfinder 4.13 is in there, and a bunch of stuff are in the "test for inclusion."  Am I reading this wrong?
[00:59] <flocculant> if we've got time we can test it - if not we'll call a meeting to stop stuff
[00:59] <bluesabre> Unit193: that was one that ochosi was interested in including, the others are already dev releases in artful and bionic
[01:00] <bluesabre> Unit193, flocculant, tweaked the pad
[01:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll let you know when that PPA is sorted
[01:03] <Unit193> Ok, I'll take a look later.
[01:03] <Unit193> Also, second poke I've gotten about the Core ISOs.
[01:04] <bluesabre> Unit193: who's poking?
[01:04] <Unit193> Fella in #freenode found me a couple days ago, and just got an email.
[01:06] <bluesabre> nice
[01:06] <Unit193> I can paste you the latter. :P
[01:07] <flocculant> bluesabre Unit193 - !team
[01:07] <flocculant> sigh
[01:07] <flocculant> !team | we need to set meeting asap to sort what we're expecting
[01:07] <flocculant> woohoo
[01:07]  * flocculant sets one
[01:09] <bluesabre> My usual availability more or less applies, 2200 week days, anytime weekends (except next weekend)
[01:09] <flocculant> yup
[01:18] <flocculant> sent
[01:19]  * flocculant now waits for everyone to ignore it till it's too late
[01:19] <flocculant> this is just getting silly imo
[01:20] <bluesabre> I think I have digests set up, so will see later
[01:21] <bluesabre> Feel free to bump https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[01:21] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[01:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack - just waiting for a week or so for replies then I'll set meeting
[01:24] <flocculant> hopefully we'll see more than 1 or 2 replies
[01:33] <Unit193> Ooooh, I see.
[01:33] <Unit193> Pad makes more sense now.
[04:58] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r644 Launchpad automatic translations update. (by Launchpad Translations on behalf of xubuntu-dev)
[14:10] <_bob_> do you folks need any developers ?
[16:51] <Unit193> xfce4-dict 0.8.0-1, xfce4-genmon-plugin 4.0.1-1, xfce4-notifyd 0.4.0-1, xfce4-panel 4.13.1-1, xfce4-settings 4.13.1-1, xfce4-fsguard-plugin 1.1.0-1, xfce4-netload-plugin 1.3.1-1, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin 0.3.2-1, xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin 2.1.3-1 uploaded (some to experimental of course.)
[17:03] <Unit193> I presume we're going with new notifyd, and I'll get to syncing later (specifically whiskermenu :D)
[17:08] <ochosi> yup, i'll do another notify release soon, some nice fixes in it