[22:11] <phillw> tsimonq2: did you test lxqt?
[22:12] <wxl> phillw: i did in the vm and all was well, but i didn't do netboot yet
[22:12] <phillw> was that adding to lubuntu xenial that worked?
[22:13] <wxl> yeah
[22:13] <wxl> there's obviously something i must be missing for netboot
[22:13] <phillw> that's good, it was failing
[22:13] <wxl> although there were problems with images recently in general (across the board)
[22:13] <wxl> so that might have been it too
[22:13] <wxl> my image is from the 14th fwiw
[22:13] <phillw> netboot is independent of ubuntu builds.
[22:14] <phillw> it comes from debian and they basically bolt a bit of ubuntu onto it :D
[22:14] <wxl> oh? ok. i'll get a netboot image and see what i can figure out
[22:14] <wxl> unless tsimonq2 wants to :)
[22:14] <wxl> but he's still scared of lxqt i think heheeh
[22:15] <phillw> wxl: tsimonq2 I have a netboot VM that bitched out when adding lxqt to it, so it still a virgin netboot VM
[22:15] <wxl> !language | phillw
[22:15] <wxl> XD
[22:16] <phillw> ooh, that is impolite? Sorry.
[22:16] <wxl> heheheh i'm kidding phillw don't be a grumpy pants :)
[22:16] <phillw> And I chose that word carefully owing to age of other person on here :P
[22:17] <wxl> hehehe
[22:17] <wxl> admittedly i think that's one of those words that's ok on television, but i haven't seen it pop up in any recent episodes of my little pony XDXD
[22:21] <tsimonq2> phillw: Helen did :P
[22:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: I already did it with a netboot image
[22:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: but I hadd to install lightdm and openbox
[22:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: so add those two to the list
[22:24] <phillw> wxl: there is a shed load of updates on the netboot image from last time it failed...
[22:25] <phillw> tsimonq2: you can also use SDDM if openbox 'has issues'
[22:27] <tsimonq2> phillw: but lightdm works fine
[22:28] <phillw> tsimonq2: just for if it decides to not want to 'play nicely'
[22:28] <tsimonq2> phillw: which it hasn't :P
[22:32] <phillw> let me just go find my instructions..... tsimonq2 now you know why there are lots of wiki pages for lubuntu stuff... I write them so I have reference to go back to :)
[22:34] <phillw> wxl: lxqt-metapackage is happy again, the disturbance in the force has been resolved.
[22:35] <wxl> !info openbox-qt xenial
[22:35]  * wxl kicks ubot93
[22:36] <wxl> argh
[22:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: wait, let me fire up lububot XD
[22:36] <wxl> !info obconf-qt xenial
[22:36] <wxl> there it is
[22:38] <wxl> is openbox gtk free then?
[22:38] <phillw> wxl: let me check to see if obconf-qt is usable yet. I was told it was not and to use the obfconf (gtk) one
[22:39] <wxl> is there any reason to go with sddm over lightdm?
[22:39] <tsimonq2> nope :P
[22:40] <phillw> wxl: nope, it's just a suggestion for when they break lightdm :)
[22:40] <wxl> hahahahah k phillw
[22:40] <Unit193> wxl: Is there a Qt greeter?
[22:40] <phillw> wxl: it's on the topic for #lxde :)
[22:41] <wxl> Unit193: i guess that's more of a question for rafael. doubt it.
[22:41] <Unit193> !info lightdm-kde-greeter
[22:41] <Unit193> That's about it.
[22:47] <phillw> Unit193: (22:46:43) phillw: agaida: do you know if there is a qt-greeter yet, or do we still need lightdm-kde-greeter ?
[22:47] <phillw> (22:47:03) agaida: use sddm
[22:47] <phillw> (22:47:16) agaida: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-lxqt/lxqt-metapackages.git/tree/debian/control
[22:48] <wxl> yeah well that's kind of a non-answer XD
[22:48] <phillw> wxl: well.... (22:47:57) agaida: and no - the lightdm greeter for lxqt is deprecated and will never ever appear in debian
[22:48] <wxl> there is that
[22:48] <wxl> perhaps good to ask redwolf about?
[22:48] <phillw> lightdm is now dead, so we better get used to its replacement :)
[22:49] <wxl> wait, is ubuntu getting rid of lightdm?
[22:49] <phillw> wxl: not sure, but it seems Qt are?
[22:50] <wxl> definitely true with kubuntu
[22:50] <wxl> they went sddm
[22:51] <phillw> well, that does point to that lightdm-kde-greeter is not going to be a choice for LXQt :)
[22:51] <Unit193> lightdm is in no way dead.
[22:51] <phillw> Unit193: it is not, but we are discussing what is happening for LXQt :)
[22:52] <wxl> so we should probably chaneg the netboot instructions to include sddm then with a note that we'll likely make that change too
[22:55] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt#Installing_LXQt_on_fresh_system does not mention lightdm
[22:55] <tsimonq2> wxl: or lightdm :P
[22:55] <phillw> I'm going to edit it to use obconf-qt


[01:41] <scott-upstairs> holstein, actually audacity will be there if anyone installs video
[01:41] <scott-upstairs> i know that seems counterintuitive, but...
[01:42] <scott-upstairs> if someone is making a movie and needs to edit sound, say for a menu, or for a soundtrack
[01:42] <scott-upstairs> or even to edit a sound effect
[03:57] <holstein> ScottL: yeah
[03:57] <holstein> i like that actually
[03:57] <holstein> audacity in the video meta-package
[04:03] <ScottL> holstein, it seemed more appropriate, but if there is enough desire from users, say enough to make a workflow ;), then it certainly can be put back into one of the audio seeds
[04:04] <holstein> ScottL: i dont think it has a place in a pro audio workflow personally
[04:04] <holstein> but, i know lots of new folk use it
[04:04] <holstein> and podcasters
[04:04] <holstein> for simple editing
[04:04] <holstein> just pulling in a stereo track and cutting it up
[04:04] <holstein> works great
[04:04] <holstein> and easy
[04:04] <holstein> no JACK required
[04:05] <ScottL> i wanted to create a podcasting workflow and gave it quite a bit of thought, but didn't come up with a complete one, at least with applications direct from the archives
[04:06] <ScottL> i've been thinking about this too, however
[04:07] <holstein> ScottL: ardour would be ideal
[04:07] <holstein> its really just the JACK set-up
[04:07] <ScottL> i was thinking about trying to get Ubuntu Studio merchandise created (this is not a new idea)
[04:07] <holstein> ScottL: totally
[04:07] <holstein> great idea
[04:08] <ScottL> and using the proceeds to perhaps fund getting a developer to make mumble jack aware
[04:08] <ScottL> incidentally this could fund other directions that ubuntu studio would like to go
[04:08] <holstein> ScottL: i like that
[04:08] <holstein> put it toward whatever development is needed at the time
[04:09]  * holstein gotta run
[04:09] <holstein> BBL
[04:10] <ScottL> but, this is not a unilateral decision for me to make, i expect to need to clear the use of "ubuntu" and perhaps "studio" as well
[04:14] <ScottL> and at least two people should be accountable (no pun intended) for the proceeds to avoid the appearance or occurrence of impropriety
[06:34] <stochastic> ScottL, why is Lilypond and Denemo being ditched in Natty?
[06:36]  * stochastic reads the full e-mail and highly disagrees with some of the package removals
[06:40] <stochastic> If I do recall correctly, all of the packages currently included in the metas are there because they serve a distinct workflow purpose that no other package/app serves.
[06:42] <stochastic> Why are all the DJ apps being removed?  Why is CSound being removed? JDelay!?!
[06:45] <stochastic> Rather than removing everything that someone doesn't list on the workflow page, why not take out the items that people can prove are redundant in the meta?
[06:59] <ScottL> stochastic, the decisions were worked over with persia, among them replacing denemo and lilypond with mscore
[06:59]  * ScottL realizes that persia is not the be all, end all however
[07:00] <ScottL> stochastic, can you provide some workflows that will utilize the applications you mentioned?
[07:02] <ScottL> replacing applications back into the seeds is not objectionable, far from it
[07:03] <ScottL> i hope to see community involvement to keep the applications, actually
[07:05] <ScottL> stochastic, i'm presuming you are away at the moment, however, when you get back i would like to discuss possibly creating a audio-dj task/seed
[07:24] <stochastic> ScottL, I'll copy the current wiki onto my netbook (as I do have time to work while on my commute) and edit up some tasks
[07:25] <stochastic> an audio-dj seed seems redundant to me at first (i.e. would contain many of the same low level basics that the audio meta would)
[13:52] <ScottL> stochastic, i have been updating the seeds but they haven't been pushed yet or the -meta updated
[13:52] <ScottL> i had been waiting for input from users
[13:53] <ScottL> also, the audio seed has been split into three seeds: audio-common, recording, and generation
[13:53] <ScottL> the idea is to try to give a user a smaller subset of the audio applications as they desire
[13:54] <ScottL> the premise is that someone who does not play an instrument would not want several additional applications like guitarix, et al
[13:54] <ScottL> hopefully this will also help with the length of the menu
[14:02] <ScottL>
[14:03] <ScottL> stochastic, i would expect many of the "low level basics" that you mentioned would be included already in the audio-common seed
[14:04] <ScottL> which an audio-dj would then depend on as well in the same manner as the generation and recording seeds
[14:53] <TheMuso> Hey folks. Just checking in briefly before boarding my flight to Boston.
[15:53] <paultag> TheMuso, Hell yeah! Where abouts?
[15:53] <paultag> TheMuso, That there is my homeland
[21:12] <TheMuso> paultag: Flew from Orlando to Boston.
[21:18] <paultag> TheMuso, I grew up in Boston
[21:18] <TheMuso> Cool.
[21:18] <paultag> TheMuso, good flight I hope :)
[21:20] <TheMuso> Yeah wasn't too bad, a few screaming children though.


[00:24] <el> jayden's a cross-network pain, claims to be 12, acts like a brat.
[00:24] <el> just for when he inevitably ends up in here