[00:03] <hggdh> Book_em_Dano: sounds like X indeed, probably a video driver. Please ask the OP to run 'apport-collect 658183
[07:41] <kusanagi> hi, i want to report a bug... ubuntu does recognize my third button in the mouse (wheel) but still emulate the third mouse button, whats the package i have to refer to?
[07:51] <persia> kusanagi, I'd recommend xserver-xorg-input-evdev: might not be precisely right, but it will be close.
[07:52] <kusanagi> thanks persia :)
[08:47] <delan_> what's the process for getting a package accepted into the official main/universe if it's already packaged in a PPA?
[08:49] <delan_> i've had a look at the wiki, but that's more about the wishlist needs-packaging bugs (mine are already packaged)
[08:49] <delan_> ...hang on a second
[08:49] <delan_> this isn't -devel
[08:50] <delan_> sorry about that.
[10:25] <MWelchUK_work> Hi Guys - noticed this on 10.04 when doing some development, it seems to be true for 8.04 as well, so I assume it's been the case for ages. Would you consider this to be a bug? http://paste.ubuntu.com/516733/
[10:56] <persia> MWelchUK_work: That's not a bug, just an annoyance in implementation.  There's well-argued reasons why each tool behaves the way it does, and a lack of consensus about the correct behaviour.
[12:57] <obengdako> 21 is big day huh
[13:00] <obengdako> how do i contribute to the bug day on 21
[13:00] <obengdako> i'm new to bugsquad
[13:00] <obengdako> and as for triaging not yet started
[13:01] <pedro_> hello obengdako
[13:01] <obengdako> not yet got a mentor
[13:01] <obengdako> but willing except have to study now for exams but i can still contribute can't i pedro_
[13:02] <pedro_> obengdako, we recommend to first read the How to Triage guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/
[13:02] <pedro_> obengdako, of course you can :-)
[13:02] <obengdako> i've read that
[13:02] <obengdako> just too compicated pedro_  and doing it exactly seem different pedro_
[13:02] <pedro_> obengdako, awesome!
[13:02] <pedro_> obengdako, what do you mean?
[13:03] <pedro_> obengdako, if you have questions just drop those in the channel
[13:03] <pedro_> there's plenty of people here willing to help
[13:03] <obengdako> but if you could walk me through i guess that's why we need mentors i guess i'll apply for one persia
[13:03] <obengdako> pedro_,
[13:04] <pedro_> obengdako, did you already applied for the mentorship team?
[13:05] <obengdako> pedro_, not yet wasn't sure how available i would be
[13:05] <obengdako> i don't want to annoy a mentor
[13:06] <pedro_> obengdako, you won't, but we indeed need to know your available times to assign you a mentor
[13:07] <pedro_> otherwise we could assign you someone who doesn't fit with your schedule, etc
[13:07] <obengdako> okay i'll work on that i'm sure i'll be availlable most definitely from 22:00 GMT till about 0:00 GMT
[13:07] <obengdako> how should i apply?
[13:08] <pedro_> obengdako, have a look to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[13:09] <obengdako> pedro_, ahah i'm not sure how to setup the wiki page it's been one of my shortfalls
[13:09] <obengdako> never setup one pedro_
[13:10] <Pici> Copy someone elses's and change all the info. <.<
[13:10] <obengdako> Pici, really? pedro_
[13:11] <pedro_> obengdako, yes, just have a look to others and do the same
[13:11] <Pici> obengdako: I mean change the personal information, delete the rest of it and write up something.
[13:15] <obengdako> pedro_, cloning yours
[13:18] <obengdako> pedro_, i'm at wiki.ubuntu but not seeing link to create mine
[13:19] <pedro_> obengdako, go to wiki.ubuntu.com/YourName and create an empty page
[13:20] <obengdako> okay pedro_
[13:32] <obengdako> pedro_,  how do i add my head ot gnomeart?
[13:34] <obengdako> pedro_,
[13:34] <pedro_> obengdako, i don't understand your question
[13:35] <obengdako> i want to add my picture to gnome art so i can use it in my wiki page like yours pedro_
[13:36] <pedro_> obengdako, mine is in planet gnome , you need to be a gnome developer to add it there
[13:36] <obengdako> awww pedro_
[13:36] <pedro_> obengdako, but you can attach yours to the wiki
[13:36] <persia> obengdako, You can add an attachment to your wiki page containing a graphic.
[13:36] <obengdako> oh really?
[13:37] <obengdako> then i'll do that
[13:38] <pedro_> obengdako, btw my wiki page isn't a good example, follow something like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VictorVargas
[13:40] <obengdako> that is definitely  a good wiki page pedro_
[13:44] <obengdako> pedro_,  what ! Victor Vargas really took his time looking at his wiki source page i really am impressed
[13:47] <obengdako> pedro_, how do i get an ubuntu email address?
[13:48] <pedro_> obengdako, you need be an Ubuntu Member to obtain one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[14:05] <obengdako> pedro_, check my page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/obengdako
[14:06] <obengdako> pedro_, and https://launchpad.net/~obengdako
[14:08] <obengdako> pedro_, one question where do i put my available times for mentorship?
[14:09] <pedro_> obengdako, at your wiki page
[14:12] <obengdako> okay check my pages out and i applied for mentorship now i just need to be mentored on how to help with the bugs
[14:12] <obengdako> pedro_,
[14:13] <pedro_> obengdako, we'll assign you a mentor shortly ;-)
[14:14] <obengdako> okay pedro_
[14:37]  * obengdako going to library we'll meet there soon
[16:37] <xteejx> Hey guys, can someone perform triage on my bug 663962 please? I did report a bug in August, but it was ignored
[16:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663962 in linthesia (Ubuntu) "linthesia crashes with GdkGLExt-WARNING **: cannot load PangoFont (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663962
[16:37] <xteejx> I've included as full a backtrace as I could
[17:10] <njin> Hello - Please set importance to medium https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/642091 Thanks.
[17:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 642091 in linux (Ubuntu) "Acer Aspire One 721 - no resume after suspend (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:28] <njin> Please set importance  medium to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/365006 Thanks
[17:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 365006 in linux (Ubuntu) "mp3 player like Ali. Corp Audio PLayer (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:41] <caravena> Hello, crash empathy http://paste.ubuntu.com/516916/ What package symbol?
[17:47] <hggdh> caravena: you are showing the 16th and 17th frames in the stack, it is quite unprobable the crash happened here
[17:51] <charlie-tca> QA Meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 10 minutes
[17:53] <caravena> mr hggdh : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=632719
[17:53] <ubot2> Gnome bug 632719 in General "empathy-auth-client crashed with SIGABRT in dbus_g_connection_register_g_object()" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:59] <hggdh> caravena: the stacktrace in the gnome bug is good enough
[17:59] <hggdh> caravena: re your Ubuntu bug -- a crash file does not do us any good, you should have processed it via apport
[18:00] <rusivi> xteejx: regarding bug 663962 I just ran linthesia at the Terminal as you did and it did not crash.
[18:00] <ubot2> rusivi: Bug 663962 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/663962 is private
[18:01] <hggdh> caravena: all I can see is it got a SIGABRT, but not what type of abort. When you run it from a terminal, what messages do you get back?
[18:01] <xteejx> rusivi: Really? Strange, there were several other reports on other distros of people having the same problem as me
[18:02] <xteejx> It could be to do with the fonts set in Appearance, but the fix should sort that whether the user encounters the error or not
[18:02] <caravena> hggdh, My release of empathy is PPA.  No official release, Use apport and message: "Package not genuine"
[18:03] <hggdh> caravena: in this case you should contact the PPA publishers...
[18:04] <simar> ashams, hi
[18:05] <ashams> simar: hi there
[18:05] <simar> ashams, ya
[18:05] <ashams> simar: I'm trying to collect all xev events
[18:05] <rusivi> xteejx: IDK I recently updated to newest kernel version and accepted all default updates, then install linthesia via USC and after launching from command line it prompted me for a midi
[18:05] <simar> ashams, but all are not necessary..
[18:06] <ashams> yes
[18:06] <simar> ashams, go only for those that you feel are important and you are not able to understand..
[18:07] <simar> ashams, Also not underestimate evtest
[18:07] <ashams> ok, 'MappinNotify'?
[18:07] <simar> ashams, irrelevant, remember abstraction
[18:08] <ashams> you know what 'keymapNotify' does mean?
[18:09] <rusivi> xteejx: Regarding linthesia you may want to include the links of the different distro bug trackers in the Ubuntu bug so that it is a more coordinated effort.
[18:15] <xteejx> It's been reported to the dev and debian, including a patch, is there any need?
[18:19] <rusivi> xteejx: It's needed if you want the issue to be even more coordinated.
[18:31] <xteejx> ok :)
[20:03] <njin> pedro_: hello fellow, can you tell me something about unity, this afflict only on unity, and only with cosmos walpaper, in Gnome, cosmos is working well and it not seems related to video driver https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/518242
[20:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 518242 in ubuntu "Unable To Display Auto Wallpaper Changer In 9.10 UNR / 10.04 UNE Alpha 2 ONLY : Toshiba NB 200 / 205 (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:34] <njin> hello have you updated to latest karmic kernel and shutdown button diseppear ?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Tried a restart to see if it comes back?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> guud evening


[22:17] <Takyoji> Anyone have the stance on the recent continuing implementation of HTML5-based video players, but with H.264 as the format, and Firefox being the one denying to implement a H.264 codec?
[22:17] <Takyoji> Mozilla*
[22:18] <_diablo> Wait, really? I thought Apple was the one that was preventing that?
[22:18] <_diablo> Do you have a link?
[22:19] <Takyoji> Apple and Google are the ones supposedly opposing the implementation of Ogg Theora
[22:19] <Takyoji> Mozilla is opposing to implementing H.264
[22:20] <Takyoji> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/bumps-ahead-as-vimeo-youtube-respond-to-html5-video-demand.ars
[22:20] <_diablo> ohhh, what is that?
[22:20]  * _diablo reads that
[22:21] <Takyoji> So now it's Daily Motion and Vimeo with a HTML5-based viewer, next it'll hopefully be YouTube as well soon
[22:21] <kaimerra> YouTube has theirs in beta
[22:21] <_diablo> I'm already using Youtube's one
[22:21] <_diablo> yeah
[22:21] <kaimerra> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[22:22] <Takyoji> I've seen it
[22:22] <Takyoji> The reason why Firefox isn't "supported" is because Firefox doesn't have a H.264 implementation supposedly.
[22:23] <Takyoji> Ahh; so they've changed it now then
[22:23] <Takyoji> That used to just be a single demo page originally
[22:27] <_diablo> yup
[22:29] <Takyoji> And Google Chrome itself on Linux isn't working with the HTML5 player apparently. :P
[22:29] <_diablo> true
[22:29] <_diablo> it sucks
[22:29] <_diablo> same with chromium actually
[22:30] <Takyoji> I have version 4
[22:31] <_diablo> Version    : 4.0.285.0
[22:31] <_diablo> alright, I have a clear opinion now
[22:31] <_diablo> Go Mozilla!
[22:32] <_diablo> What is the point of a standard if you have to pay for it?
[22:32] <_diablo> It will kill firefox.
[22:32] <Takyoji> Isn't Google supposedly buying out the owner of H.264 though?
[22:32] <Takyoji> On2 Technologies
[22:32] <_diablo> Maybe, but that still means that it's proprietary.
[22:32] <_diablo> Do you really trust Google on this?
[22:35] <Takyoji> If the open it up, then it wouldn't be proprietary anymore I believe.
[22:35] <_diablo> "if they open it up"
[22:35] <Takyoji> (along with the patents surrounding it)
[22:35] <_diablo> agreed. But I'd rather have assurances going in.
[22:35] <_diablo> Which h.264 doesn't provide
[22:38] <_diablo> I don't know, I know I'm paranoid, but I really don't want web standards to burn open source
[22:41] <Takyoji> I know, I'd love it to be Ogg Theora as well
[22:41] <_diablo> It has to be. Ogg has just been getting better and better too
[23:15] <_diablo_active> Ah, nice. This should be able to ping me whenever anyone makes a message. This will make question answering much faster.


[12:08] <gurahamu> greetings
[15:07] <pragomer> I want to give ubuntu-budgie the look of solus and set the top bar to the bottom. I could do that, but how can I add program starters to the (former) top bar?


[12:21] <guest777> Hello all)Donate me please a BitCoin adress 1Nuj3pwSaXn4GE2WoVEAiDKTaPozo4mpVX)sorry and thanks)
[12:21] <guest777> pls pls pls)
[22:46] <valorie> well, sure, why not


[21:40] <MagicFab> mdeslaur, ping
[21:40] <MagicFab> mdeslaur, j'ai remarqué tes contributions au dialogue de screensaver dans 12.04... je me demandais si tu sais si le boutton "switch user' va revenir ?
[21:48] <Ankman> allo MagicFab
[21:49] <Ankman> posting a note in the ubuntu forum doesn't neccessarily mean that a maintainer would have a look into it?
[21:51] <Ankman> i seem to have had a problem with the do-release-upgrade program, as it hangs in the middle somewhere when running without X, as it seems to display a message in X and connot open the display. i consider this as a design-flaw as i would think do-release-upgrade is meant to run in text mode only
[21:53] <MagicFab> Ankman, forum? Probablement le pire endroit pour laisser un commentaire pour un dev.
[21:54] <Ankman> ok
[22:01] <MagicFab> Wow, je viens de trouver - mdeslaur nevermind - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/950583


[01:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[01:57] <guiverc> If a user does `do-release-upgrade`, wouldn't questions be expected?  (I'd say yes; I'm writing a qa-testcase)
[01:59] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Best I recall - only questions is in repect to replacing config files.
[02:00] <guiverc> what I was thinking too; user-modified blah, do you want to set to maintainers, keep, view ... etc.. ; thanks Bashing-om
[06:17] <ducasse> good morning
[06:31] <OerHeks> hi ducasse
[06:33] <ducasse> morning OerHeks - how are you and the doggies?
[06:35] <OerHeks> bad sleepy night :-(
[06:35] <OerHeks> i try again in a few hours
[06:36] <ducasse> same here, barely slept at all
[06:36] <OerHeks> what is wrong with us?
[06:36] <ducasse> maybe a nap will help :)
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic disco
[17:28] <EoflaOE> Hello everyone
[17:28] <daftykins> \o
[17:34] <EoflaOE> hello daftykins
[22:30] <akemlenovo_> I think i still have a memory leak but after 30+ days uptime...It's annoying.
[22:32] <akemlenovo_> With a bit of luck it's still the Wifi chipsets' driver.
[22:34] <akemlenovo_> The other one was easy to see cause it was growing fast, full RAM in one night, but there it is more complicated to find out where it's originating from...
[22:41] <jeremy31> akemlenovo_: blacklist the wifi driver
[22:44] <akemlenovo_> jeremy31, yes that's what i'm trying to do in blacklist.conf, but i need wifi connection so i will use a wifi dongle instead, in last option i could try with a cable and no wifi, but i'd have to move everything and let the computer sits in the living...
[22:46] <akemlenovo_> jeremy31, what should be the RAM usage on a normal Ubuntu after 30 days of mainly idleing, i mean there is just qbittorent doing things and it reports 7.5% RAM usage only.
[22:48] <jeremy31> akemlenovo_: no idea what RAM usage should be after 30 days as I shut my computers down every day
[22:49] <jeremy31> akemlenovo_: rtl8821ce wifi?
[22:58] <akemlenovo_> No rtl8723be i think, but i don't know what the dongle i wanna use is
[22:59] <jeremy31> akemlenovo_: I haven't seen any complaints on the forums about a memory leak for that one
[23:00] <akemlenovo_> jeremy31, It might be something else i'm not sure what it is :/
[23:01] <jeremy31> akemlenovo_: I think you can use top in terminal to see what is using RAM
[23:13] <akem-hp> After fresh boot and just running few apps i'm using 953 MB RAM and 0 MB Swap.
[23:13] <akem-hp> My wifi dongle is r8188eu and i blacklisted the 8723be.
[23:18] <akemlenovo_> jeremy31, The problem is that the used RAM is not reported, just like the other time with the leak we fixed with TJ-.
[23:19] <akemlenovo_> I think it's because it's kernel related.
[23:20] <akemlenovo_> Now this kind of problem is a killer for a server which has to run all the time.
[23:22] <akemlenovo_> Also the kernel gets more and more complicated over time. With memory management and all...so you don't know if it's normal or not sometimes. :(


[10:26] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: Yes it did work! I'll open a PR for that. While we don't merge it and have it backported I'll keep that patch downstream for Fedora.
[10:26] <otubo> Odd_Bloke: thanks!
[14:21] <smoser> someone really should look at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/691
[14:21] <smoser> that is a big deal.  that is vmware saying "here, we changed our platform to better serve cloud-init".
[14:21] <smoser> i think there are one or two users of vmware in the world.
[14:23] <blackboxsw> +1 smoser rick as asking one of us to look this over yesterday
[14:24] <blackboxsw> he wanted to gauge impact/risk
[16:51] <falcojr> blackboxsw: 2 PRs for you
[16:52] <blackboxsw> falcojr: fire away
[16:52] <falcojr> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/711 a simple change to allow us to keep images as requested yesterday
[16:52] <falcojr> and https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/712 , another test
[16:53] <blackboxsw> falcojr: clarification question: generally for a single full integration test run, the test image is shared across multiple test cases right?
[16:54] <blackboxsw> this just allows you to preserve it even once the test suite is done running right?
[16:54] <falcojr> yep
[16:54] <blackboxsw> ok good, thx
[18:46] <blackboxsw> falcojr: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/712/files#r536304908
[18:47] <blackboxsw> one question here about how we generally expect the integration tests to run for SRU manual testing. I *think* we should be strict about expecting no errors across reboots in most tests.  or explicitly check that cloud-init status didn't report error after the reboot completes. Not sure what you'd prefer there
[18:55] <falcojr> OK, I can add some error checking too.
[19:47] <falcojr> blackboxsw: do you think passing through "raise_on_failure" to the restart would be sufficient?
[19:47] <falcojr> it'll raise if "cloud-init status --wait --long" returns non-zero, but I don't know offhand the conditions it would return non-0
[19:48] <blackboxsw> falcojr: it would return non-0 if we had tracebacks/errors in the cloud-init logs on the new clean boot. which I think is exactly what we want to gate against
[19:49] <falcojr> ok, cool, I'll add the option to pass it through then
[19:49] <blackboxsw> and I think passing through raise_on_failure to IntregrationInstance.restart is good
[19:49] <blackboxsw> yeah the only time we do want to hide restart errors on restart(which seems to be our default setting)  is if we are expecting to validate a failure case
[19:50] <blackboxsw> I expect a trusty -> xenial upgrade of cloud-init to return a non-zero after reboot per this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1899299
[19:51] <blackboxsw> or if we are launching a with userdata that we know will fail prior to upgrading to cloud-init from -proposed
[20:55] <blackboxsw> falcojr: landed https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/712
[20:56] <blackboxsw> thanks


 I woulda taken a week off work, bussed it in from Toronto
[03:25] <Flannel> lag?
[04:35] <genii> Stupid bots
[04:39] <genii> Hehe, brandon thinks highly of you Flannel :)
[04:40] <Flannel> We need to reunite some of our regulars with their ability to type things that aren't factoids.
[04:43] <Flannel> what on earth was that.
[04:50] <elky> that was someone's response to me asking, providing reason, then telling outright that "rape" is not to be used as a general "bad thing" indicator.
[04:52] <genii> They definitely escalated with "nazi" and "niggardly" etc
[04:53] <elky> well yes, i referred to godwins to explain the logic of minimalisation, and he decided that he could dismiss it all completely with talk about white people stomping on black folk's slur reclaiming of "nigger"
[04:55] <elky> oh, and apparently we english folk don't know the meanings of our own words because nazi, a german word, is hebrew for prince and hence can't possibly be a bad thing because look, it's hebrew. because... um... violent criminal political parties never misuse words in their party names, do they.
[04:56]  * genii makes a nice soothing kettle of tea
[04:56] <elky> can i pour it on my problems?
[04:56] <Flannel> elky: That'd scald
[04:57] <elky> well yes, this is part of the desire.
[04:57] <genii> elky: Maybe wait til it steeps and gets drinkable-temp
[04:57]  * mneptok boild a kettle of sulfuric acid and memory inhibitors for elky
[04:57] <Flannel> genii: I think it's elky that'll be doing the steeping
[04:58] <genii> My sentiment was basically... not to let those guys get to you so much, it's not worth it really
[04:58] <elky> Flannel, steeping a human might require more than a single kettle.
[04:58] <elky> genii, oh, i'm just explaining for when he comes in to be a poopyhead about why i kicked him for trolling me.
[05:04] <elky> i wonder, is it possible for ubottu or floodbots to trigger on someone being kicked and send them the guidelines factoid?
[05:05] <cobra679> hi
[05:05] <cobra679> may I please be unbanned from ubuntu-offtopic
[05:05] <cobra679> ?
[05:09] <elky> what the hell are the floodbots doing
[05:09] <Flannel> I believe it's from -unregged?
[05:09]  * Flannel hasn't checked, just assumes.
[05:14] <cobra679> Flannel
[05:14] <cobra679> can u unban me please
[05:15] <blueberryoam_> heh
[05:15] <new2Ubuntu> hello - how many active people are here?
[05:15] <blueberryoam_> me
[05:16] <Flannel> blueberryoam_: Hi, how can we help you today?
[05:16] <blueberryoam_> I'm just trying to help everybody out
[05:16] <new2Ubuntu> interested in finding out what happens?
[05:16] <new2Ubuntu> Flannel - you were in the room I was in earlier
[05:16] <blueberryoam_> new2Ubuntu here was banned for using the word rape
[05:16] <new2Ubuntu> and I was banned
[05:16] <Flannel> new2Ubuntu: Hold on a minute and we'll be able to help you.
[05:16] <new2Ubuntu> thank you flannel
[05:16] <blueberryoam_> English isn't his first language though
[05:16] <new2Ubuntu> and i apologize for being extremely frustrated and angered
[05:17] <blueberryoam_> So it's not really his fault
[05:17] <elky> blueberryoam_, it's much better if you don't participate. it's between new2Ubuntu and the ops here
[05:17] <Flannel> blueberryoam_: I'm sure he can explain this for himself, is there something you need today?
[05:18] <blueberryoam_> okay, I'll leave. Icguess my work here is done.
[05:19] <new2Ubuntu> I would feel more comfortable if the discussion was taking place here in the room and not in "PM"
[05:20] <elky> this channel is logged, as is #ubuntu.
[05:20] <new2Ubuntu> does anyone here speak Igbo or Nsa
[05:20] <new2Ubuntu> I'm assuming no
[05:21] <new2Ubuntu> are "PM" between channel ops and other users logged as well
[05:21] <new2Ubuntu> I did save conversation between Ms. Draper and myself
[05:24] <elky> new2Ubuntu, you ought to give a full and proper explanation of the incidents
[05:25] <new2Ubuntu> I would prefer you not talking to me - if you presume that I am not inflamed by your insensitivity then you are truly ignorant of the inherent problem
[05:25] <new2Ubuntu> now, as I understand it - chat rooms are logged - so what is the question
[05:26] <new2Ubuntu> is it why I feel that the use of the word "rape" is ok even when someone is upset about a context that it can be used in?
[05:27] <new2Ubuntu> or is it that I am told about a rape culture in a self-rieghtous way and then banned
[05:27] <new2Ubuntu> I use NO profanity
[05:27] <new2Ubuntu> I was causing NO problems in the chat
[05:27] <new2Ubuntu> I was being civil and jovial and in fact helping others when I could while recieving instruiction myself
[05:28] <new2Ubuntu> now if you are telling me that the word RAPE is not to be used - why is there no list with words who would bother someone due to cultural insensitivity
[05:29] <new2Ubuntu> when I type the word rape - there is no bot warning me of innapropriate langauge usage
[05:30] <new2Ubuntu> I am assuming there is some form of communication taking place at this moment which I am not privy to. It would be nice if an ops other than Ms. Draper would respond to me
[05:32] <mneptok> new2Ubuntu: my guess is that most people are reading logs to understand the full context. what channel was this?
[05:32] <new2Ubuntu> #ubuntu
[05:33] <genii> new2Ubuntu: A remark like: "I wouldn't want to let google be a nazi and rape all my valuable and delegated searching minutes by giving me niggardly responses" after already being asked to stop using the word "rape" in of itself appears as an escalation
[05:33] <new2Ubuntu> and it wasn't very much to read through - there is also the matter of the "PM" between myself and Ms. Draper
[05:33] <genii> I find especially "niggardly" offensive
[05:33] <new2Ubuntu> again - cultural sensativity
[05:34] <new2Ubuntu> i recall learning at university of a politician from the united states who used the word niggardly correctly and was persecuted for it
[05:34] <mneptok> genii: there is no offense to be taken from the word "niggardly"
[05:34] <new2Ubuntu> thank you
[05:34] <mneptok> genii: it has no relation to the epithet "nigger," and derives from Old English.
[05:35] <new2Ubuntu> I am rather disappointed and frankly quite upset at the level of ignorance with regards to english words being used in an english chat room
[05:35] <mneptok> new2Ubuntu: however, comparison of almost anything to the horrific and totalitarian regime of National Socialism is in extremely poor taste.
[05:35] <new2Ubuntu> which in the matter iof 3 minutes gets someone banned who was - at NO point causing ANY disturbance in the chat room
[05:37] <new2Ubuntu> I believe that banning someone from a room for using a word that in neither banned nor vuulgar - to be in line with the beliefs of the national socialist party that was in power in the german empire during world war 2
[05:37] <mneptok> new2Ubuntu: not to mention that you deliberately, and with forethought malice and an intent to provoke, directed statements at elky that are well outside of the acceptable behavior for the channel.
[05:38] <mneptok> 21:42 < new2Ubuntu> I wouldn't want to let google be a nazi and rape all my valuable and delegated searching minutes by giving me niggardly responses
[05:38] <mneptok> 21:43 < new2Ubuntu> and yes that was for elky
[05:38] <mneptok> ^^^  you picked a fight. you lost.  ^^^
[05:38] <new2Ubuntu> yes - showing yet another instance where the use of the word is not only viable but tasteful and relevant
[05:39] <mneptok> there's no problem with the word "niggardly." however, there IS a problem with trivializing rape and comparisons to National Socialism.
[05:40] <new2Ubuntu> Where in the IRC guideline is that stated? that National Socialism and Rape are banned words, topics, or ideas?
[05:40] <mneptok> the fact that there is a problem with trivializing rape and comparisons to Naziism is not a subject up for debate.
[05:40] <new2Ubuntu> the usage of the word rape was to plunder
[05:41] <mneptok> so use the word "plunder"
[05:41] <mneptok> since you obviously are familiar with it.
[05:41] <new2Ubuntu> the problem is that you have many peple who do NOT speak english as a native language - and you have connotations for words that are deemed inappropriate - yet nowhere are those uses posted or made available
[05:41] <new2Ubuntu> and it appears to be at the whim of individuals
[05:41] <mneptok> the use of the word "rape" was designed to aggravate an already tense situation with elky. you were being deliberately provocative.
[05:41] <new2Ubuntu> rape 4 letters
[05:42] <mneptok> and to deny this will cause me to end this discussion, as i do not like my intelligence belittled.
[05:42] <new2Ubuntu> why do I have to use words that are not vulgar or inappropriate because someone judges them simply on a single definition - this is like president of United States Clinton defining was IS is
[05:43] <new2Ubuntu> I am not belittling anyones intelligence
[05:43] <new2Ubuntu> I have a feminist woman complain about the usage of the word Rape and I get banned while trying to get assistance
[05:43] <mneptok> you are if you deny trying to provoke elky by using the word "rape" again.
[05:44] <new2Ubuntu> how do I provoke - there were other users telling me that rape was a bad word to someo people
[05:44] <mneptok> be an adult and admit to it.
[05:44] <maco> heh, you say feminist like it's a bad thing <g>
[05:44] <new2Ubuntu> so i explain it was for elky?
[05:45] <new2Ubuntu> feminism IS a bad thing when one is so wrapped up in it - that it upsets someone when the word RAPE is used in a proper context
[05:45] <mneptok> fine. i'm done with you. perhaps someone else would like to listen to your prevarications and feeble justifications. it will not be me. good day.
[05:45] <maco> really, "rape"'s primary definition is unwelcome sexual contact. using it in facetiously is just as offensive as using "gay" to mean "stupid"
[05:46] <maco> i suppose you never considered that someone could be upset by the word "rape" not because of feminism but because they themself may be a rape victim?
[05:47] <new2Ubuntu> gay means full of cheer
[05:47] <new2Ubuntu> primary usage
[05:48] <new2Ubuntu> the biggest problem is that if you look at my context it was not of a sexual nature
[05:48] <maco> and was thus the wrong word to use
[05:48] <new2Ubuntu> is there a list of words that are not to be used in english speaking channels?
[05:48] <new2Ubuntu> and if not - is there a bot that can let someone know to not use rape in that context
[05:49] <elky> new2Ubuntu, actually "full of cheer" was the first attempt at reclaiming a slur.
[05:49] <new2Ubuntu> elky you are misinformed
[05:49] <new2Ubuntu> you should learn of the etemology of your english words
[05:49] <new2Ubuntu> as we had to do
[05:50] <new2Ubuntu> do you know the Nsa word for rape and the word for rapeweed are not even close to eachother
[05:50] <genii> etymology
[05:50] <new2Ubuntu> only one person was offended by my usage and that was yourself
[05:51] <elky> which is why people here are defending my decision? i think not.
[05:51] <new2Ubuntu> in a roomfull of people - you were the only one offended
[05:52] <new2Ubuntu> to me that seems like the problem is your issue with rape
[05:52] <new2Ubuntu> and that to me would seem to be a personal one
[05:52] <new2Ubuntu> people here are defending you because you are all ops and I pissed one of you off
[05:52] <new2Ubuntu> I didn't expect to have anything change - but i was hoping for fairness
[05:52] <elky> we dispute each other all the time
[05:53] <Flannel> new2Ubuntu: I think you're not going to get anywhere today.   i will not defend "rape." think on that.
[05:54] <new2Ubuntu> was i being in any way a disturbance or causing any problem ?
[05:54] <new2Ubuntu> no and when I said rape did you or any other op have a problem
[05:54] <new2Ubuntu> I do not recall
[05:54] <Flannel> new2Ubuntu: If elky had been a few seconds later, I would've kicked you instead of her.
[05:55] <new2Ubuntu> how can you be so loose in your choice of definitions for one word and not another
[05:55] <new2Ubuntu> you said nothing to me flannel
[05:55] <Flannel> new2Ubuntu: So yes, you were causing a disturbance.
[05:56] <new2Ubuntu> wouldn't the prudent thing to publicly ask nicely to not use the word and when I respond about using it properly you respond in kind saying be as it may - you would prefer me to not use said word?
[05:56] <Flannel> new2Ubuntu: The line you said that was going to get you kicked wasn't an accidental or casual usage, as such, no warning was needed.
[05:56] <new2Ubuntu> when Ms. Draper says in chat about people not talking about assault in the room but "pm" it is o.k. - to me that is threatening language
[05:56] <Flannel> new2Ubuntu: Again, you're not going to get anywhere tonight, I suggest you come back in 48 hours.
[05:57] <new2Ubuntu> I am asking for clarification about the usage of words
[05:57] <Flannel> new2Ubuntu: And I'm telling you that you'll be able to ask again in 48 hours.
[05:57] <new2Ubuntu> especially for words such as Gay, rape, i remember the professional athlete using "sloppy seconds"
[05:57] <maco> new2Ubuntu: may i say that i have a problem with the use of the word "rape" to mean anything other than actual rape? it trivializes rape. it tells rape victims "your pain is only so bad as <this minor thing>" and that is not ok
[05:58] <new2Ubuntu> Maco - I am sorry you feel that way - what percentage of your country deals with rape - you can come to mine and see how you feel about it.
[05:58] <new2Ubuntu> here most women have been raped
[05:58] <Flannel> new2Ubuntu: Again, you're done for the night.  Come back later in two days.
[05:58] <new2Ubuntu> and many of the men
[05:58] <maco> and that is not ok
[05:59] <Flannel> Mmm, should've typed out a reason.
[05:59] <maco> heh
[05:59] <elky> i'm pretty sure the reason is clear
[05:59] <Flannel> Yeah, but it saves someone from having to hit 'log' in BT
[05:59] <elky> and he knows why what he did is bad, that's why he tried to send a human shield
[05:59] <elky> this is true
[06:00] <elky> i must say, i still find it creepy when folks refer to me on irc by honorific surname
[06:10] <genii> If someone just said "I don't want nazis to rape me" I'm sure it would be offensive to most
[06:16]  * genii makes coffee
[06:18]  * mneptok just finished some decaf
[06:18] <genii> mneptok: My doctor has me decaf. Horrid.
[07:13] <Mamarok> Flannel: no, not attending, the US is a bit far away for me
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <arand> User BriGe is spamming a link in #ubuntu, apparently disconnecting after each go.
[08:22] <Tm_T> thanks
[08:58] <Myrtti> uh-oh
[08:58] <Myrtti> [10:57] < arand> UbuntuN00B: Try "fsck -fy /dev/sda#" (where # is number of  the partition ubuntu is installed to)
[08:59] <Myrtti> isn't -fy a bit... forceful?
[09:00] <Tm_T> yup, if it can destroy data, it will
[09:00] <Tm_T> no caring
[09:00] <Tm_T> mounted partition -> all data lost
[09:02] <gord> ahh, -fy, the equivalent of closing your eyes and wailing on your keyboard till its done, so safe.
[09:03] <Tm_T> ye
[09:03] <Tm_T> the internets are broken today
[09:05] <Myrtti> OH GOD
[09:05] <Myrtti> [11:04] < arand> UbuntuN00B: hang on, don't do the fsck, seems like the FS  is mounted in this state
[09:05] <Myrtti> [11:04] < UbuntuN00B> running e2fsck
[09:05] <Myrtti> *FAIL*
[09:05] <bazhang> yikes
[09:05] <Myrtti> UHOH
[09:05]  * Myrtti facepalms, painfully
[09:05]  * Tm_T hides
[09:05] <Myrtti> perhaps he managed not to use -fy...
[09:05] <Tm_T> but it won't run at all then
[09:06] <Tm_T> you cannot check mounted drive without force
[09:06] <Tm_T> or so I have learned it
[09:07] <Tm_T> christel: thanks (:
[09:07] <Myrtti> bwuh
[09:14] <jussi01> so Myrtti... gonna come visit?
[09:15] <Myrtti> jussi01: let me get my back in a condition I can sit close enough to my laptop to see what I'm buying from VR
[09:15] <jussi01> *g*
[10:50] <Myrtti> ikonia: when you're done with auto_bleh, could I have a look so I can implement the same stuff to my aliases and redistribute a new version to those that prefer aliases instead of scripts?
[10:53] <Tm_T> yes please
[11:22] <Myrtti> !test
[11:26] <jussi01> !no
[11:26] <jussi01> heh
[11:27] <jussi01> !no, test is <reply>hrm?
[11:27] <jussi01> !test
[11:27] <christel> aww ingen diskusjon paa norsk tilatt? :p
[11:28] <Myrtti> meh
[11:28] <Myrtti> I can't get up without getting a cramp in my thigh
[11:33] <topyli> takk!
[11:35]  * jussi01 waves to christel
[11:36] <Tm_T> christel: ingen, tack
[11:36]  * Tm_T tries to find his dictionary
[11:36] <Tm_T> oh, right, it's right here, just need coffee to get it running (:
[11:38] <christel> :)
[11:38] <jussi01> christel:  christel... /me waves hand furiously in the air... :D
[11:39] <elky> so what part of the intarwebs did who ban?
[11:40] <elky> (don't worry, not expecting the answer :P)
[11:41] <Myrtti> jussi01: I seriously hate your address. Neither google maps or 02 can find it
[11:41] <jussi01> oh yipppee!!
[11:41] <jussi01> Myrtti: hrm?
[11:41] <jussi01> google maps has it
[11:41] <Tm_T> give coordinates
[11:50] <Myrtti> could someone smack the floodbots? someone that actually knows what they are doing?
[11:50] <topyli> "over thar past rajakylä"
[11:50] <Myrtti> "here be reindeer"
[11:53] <bazhang> Bacta, hi
[11:53] <Bacta> Hello bazhang
[11:54] <Bacta> Before I go into what I was saying may I ask if you're Chinese?
[11:54] <bazhang> Bacta, not really important is it?
[11:54] <Bacta> Was just curious about your nick
[11:58] <jussi01> Bacta: how goes it?
[11:58] <Bacta> Hi jussi01
[11:59] <jussi01> Bacta: so what can we help you with today?
[12:00] <Bacta> Wondering about my ban in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:00] <jussi01> Bacta: have you been good?
[12:00] <Bacta> I think I have although others are perfectly welcome to bring things up if they like
[12:01] <jussi01> Bacta: Im not really comfortable removing it as I havent the information, so I am going to leave this for ikonia or elky.
[12:01] <Bacta> If elky wants to discuss this I would be happy with that
[12:02] <jussi01> Bacta: depends if she is around.
[12:02]  * jussi01 needs to go, laters all
[12:02] <Bacta> baibai
[12:02] <Bacta> elky: You about?
[12:05] <elky> I'd rather stay out of this. i don't particularly feel like having promises to me be broken at this point in time
[12:07] <Bacta> elky: I feel like I've grown out of trolling
[12:08] <Bacta> It's no fun and it annoys people
[12:10] <elky> you said this exact same thing to me the last time you "out grew" trolling. you then betrayed all my guidance
[12:10] <Bacta> yeah well frankly i'm just at a point now where i have better things to do than trolling
[12:11] <Bacta> i'm not going to beg to be unbanned but i will say that you'll get no crap from me henceforth
[12:11] <Myrtti> and what then when you get bored?
[12:11] <Bacta> Myrtti: When you're working 50+ hours a week you're too tired to get bored
[12:12] <elky> you were working those sorts of hours during your last relapse too
[12:12] <Myrtti> Bacta: what then when you don't work 50+ hours a week?
[12:12] <Bacta> I don't see that happening Myrtti
[12:12] <Bacta> *sigh*
[12:13] <Bacta> I've also got the resemblance of a social life somewhere and have a number of code projects i work on as well as some other contracting on the side
[12:14] <Bacta> but the thing is that if i ever do get bored i find stuff to do and that doesn't involve trolling
[12:14] <Bacta> i'm tired of it, as much as you all are
[12:15] <bazhang> good to hear
[12:16] <Bacta> also got given my cloak back so that suggests to me that Freenode don't see me as an issue anymore
[12:16] <Bacta> and lets get this straight, i was causing them some significant grief and work in the past
[12:17] <bazhang> well as you are not asking to be unbanned, was there some other issue you wished help with?
[12:17] <Bacta> i would like to be unbanned
[12:18] <elky> bazhang, he's asking. "not begging"
[12:18] <bazhang> don't think that is going to happen based on a single instance of you promising to be good, considering your history Bacta
[12:19] <Bacta> have i caused any issues in #ubuntu that you know of?
[12:19] <Myrtti> tsimpson: thanks
[12:19] <Bacta> or any of the loco channels?
[12:19] <bazhang> Bacta, you came in saying you were not going to beg...
[12:19] <Bacta> you've obviously never seen someone like me beg on irc before ..
[12:20] <bazhang> Bacta, and as the answer is clearly 'No', really no way forward at this point
[12:20] <Bacta> so what's the plan?
[12:20] <Bacta> nobody has ever told me what's going to happen with this ban
[12:20] <elky> bazhang, it's a no from me personally, not speaking for everyone.
[12:20] <bazhang> none that I know of
[12:21] <elky> i just don't want to deal with the expenditure of energy that the last ... respite required.
[12:21] <bazhang> elky, I agree with your view as to a single say-so is not sufficient at this point
[12:21] <Bacta> you see if i knew what was happening/going to happen i wouldn't need to come in here and be a bother
[12:21] <bazhang> Bacta, then take a good long break from visiting here
[12:22] <Bacta> you see there's not much else i can give you beyond my word
[12:23] <Bacta> but it's clear that for certain people my word is never going to be enough despite anything that may happen in the future
[12:23] <bazhang> Bacta, well as that (your word) is clearly not sufficient at this point, there really is no way forward
[12:24] <bazhang> Bacta, it's not 'certain people'
[12:24] <Bacta> who is it?
[12:24] <Bacta> all people?
[12:25] <bazhang> Bacta, all the operators are tasked, as volunteers, to help the ubuntu channels run smoothly
[12:25] <Bacta> and i appreciate what they do
[12:25] <Bacta> i had an interesting conversation with one today at work
[12:26] <bazhang> great
[12:26] <Bacta> but anyway, have a chat to the ops in either #ubuntu-vn or #ubuntu-nz , i've frequented both for the previous 6 months and have never caused a problem
[12:26] <Bacta> that's all really
[12:27] <bazhang> ok
[12:27] <Tm_T> Bacta: you might like to come back when ikonia is available if you like to talk with him
[12:27] <Bacta> are you aware of him being unavailable?
[12:28] <Tm_T> he's not active in this channel right now
[12:28] <Myrtti> well he's idle over 2hours
[12:28] <Myrtti> probably at work or a healthy hobby like gym
[12:29] <Bacta> ah ok
[12:29] <Bacta> i'll give him a bell in an hour or so
[12:29] <Bacta> otherwise it'll have to wait until tonight
[12:29] <Tm_T> sounds like a plan
[12:30] <Bacta> see you later
[12:30] <bazhang> bye
[12:30] <Tm_T> Bacta: bye and thanks for your cooperation
[12:30] <Bacta> np :)
[12:31] <LjL> ops, does anyone have any last-minute feature requests for the floodbots before i feature freeze so i can make them work with Seven?
[12:31] <LjL> or rather, freeze period
[12:31] <Myrtti> LjL: perfect timing you have
[12:31] <LjL> do i
[12:31] <Myrtti> yup, Bacta just left
[12:32] <LjL> bacta = troll right?
[12:32] <Myrtti> seems like the channel has revolving door system going
[12:32] <bazhang> ha
[12:32] <Myrtti> FIFO
[12:32] <LjL> you should make an #ubuntu-ops-queue :P
[12:32] <LjL> hi jrib
[12:32] <Myrtti> *snerk*
[12:33] <jrib> hey LjL
[12:34] <Myrtti> "please hold, all our customer service personnel are currently busy. To hasten your service, please /msg ubottu ops1 for discussing your ban to be lifted, /msg ubottu ops2 for someone harassing on a channel..."
[12:34] <Myrtti> <pan flute music />
[12:34] <bazhang> hehe
[12:34] <LjL> oh, *i* would like that
[12:35] <LjL> press ops3 if you want to complain that #ubuntu is too busy
[12:35] <elky> "...and remember, you are not a number to us. You are 4th in the queue, a customer service operator will be with you as soon as one is available."
[12:35] <Myrtti> "thank you for your patience. all our customer service personnel are currently busy. Did you know that #ubuntu-ops services approximately 8 cases a day, each taking up to 20-60 minutes of time to solve."
[12:35] <Tm_T> ...and at that point I would get you all to coffee break
[12:35] <Myrtti> "please hold"
[12:36] <LjL> "*click* We're sorry, a netsplit has caused your call to disconnect from the operators. Please, reconnect and try again."
[12:36] <Myrtti> HAHAHAHAH *rofl*
[12:36] <Tm_T> Myrtti: would be lovely if queue ahead would get longer and longer everytime user tries to hurry it up
[12:37] <LjL> Tm_T: i have a bot ready for that already
[12:37] <LjL> i just need to change the trigger from "is karmic out yet?" to "is it my turn?" or something
[12:37] <jrib> and ascii art captchas?
[12:37] <Tm_T> LjL: ye
[12:38] <LjL> jrib: yes!
[12:38] <LjL> jrib: no, wait, no.
[12:38] <LjL> unicode captchas
[12:38] <LjL> so people will learn to run proper utf-8
[12:38] <topyli> of course, we should try and redirect as many people to an online form instead of trying to contact us for real
[12:38] <Myrtti> of course
[12:38] <topyli> many as possible*
[13:02] <Myrtti> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f77937f60
[13:03] <Tm_T> thanks
[13:05] <Myrtti> Tm_T: did you check if those bans were something that you *should* remove?
[13:06] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I remember both, other was some quitmessage issue from week or more ago, other is recent hit'n'run paste
[13:06] <Myrtti> ok.
[13:06] <Tm_T> neither big issue
[13:06] <Tm_T> atleast not in my records (:
[13:17] <Myrtti> hi
[13:17] <Korigan> Hello, i guess there is a phishing against ubuntu.com, can i speak with an admin?
[13:18] <Myrtti> could you tell a bit more so we could tell a bit better if this is an issue we can solve?
[13:18] <Korigan> it's packages.ubunut.com
[13:19] <Korigan> they speak about ubuntu, appear like ubuntu, but just change the url :S
[13:19] <Korigan> and on the website, just speak about ubuntu but not ubunut
[13:19] <Korigan> it's strange no!!?
[13:21] <Myrtti> Korigan: have you checked who owns the domain?
[13:21] <Korigan> yes, it's hide
[13:21] <LjL> considering it's the same IP as packages.ubuntu.com...
[13:21] <Tm_T> Korigan: Canonical LTD
[13:21] <Korigan> omg, i feel dumb :S
[13:21] <Korigan> apologize :S
[13:22] <Myrtti> Korigan: http://www.whois.net/whois/ubunut.com
[13:22] <Tm_T> Korigan: np, woke me up for a moment nicely (:
[13:23] <Korigan> thanks and sorry :S, have a good days
[13:39] <ikonia> for the record (sorry for the slow response) - please do not unban bacta he's on a long term ban and I've told him to stop asking and he still can't even do that,
[13:39] <Pici> ikonia: Is there a note in the bt?
[13:39] <ikonia> he's been an idiot in other channels and making troll comments (such as bactas comment to bazhang about his nick)
[13:39] <Tm_T> ikonia: ok, like to say this to him?
[13:39] <Myrtti> btw brige is doing rounds in freenode still
[13:39] <ikonia> Pici: too many bans, I'll make sure it is
[13:40] <ikonia> Tm_T: I have done many times,
[13:40] <Myrtti> just hit #maemo
[13:40] <ikonia> Tm_T: I was away when he was in here - I'm telling him again in pm
[13:40] <ikonia> Myrtti: I'll give you auto_bleh later tonight if that's ok ?
[13:40] <Myrtti> ikonia: sure
[13:40] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hmm, interesting, willing to push it to staff?
[13:40] <Tm_T> ikonia: thanks
[13:40] <ikonia> sorry - just having a busy day so not massivly active today
[13:40] <Tm_T> ikonia: np (:
[13:40] <Myrtti> Tm_T: your ban, feel free to do so
[13:41] <Tm_T> Myrtti: roger
[13:44] <Myrtti> made it just in time
[13:44] <ikonia> bacta is going to complain to the irc council so please check the ban history of him
[13:44] <Tm_T> Myrtti: agh, had my eyes elsewhere ):
[13:45] <Tm_T> tomaw: let us know how it goes (:
[13:46] <Myrtti> he just hit #maemo the second time
[13:46] <Myrtti> not the sharpest pen in the box
[13:46] <Pici> pens need to be sharp?
[13:46] <Myrtti> pencils
[13:47] <Pici> ;)
[13:47] <ikonia> Pici: BT now updated
[13:47] <Myrtti> stupid English language
[13:47] <Tm_T> sharpest knife
[13:47] <Tm_T> or how was it
[13:49] <MenZa> When is ircd-seven deployed?
[13:49] <jpds> MenZa: End of this month.
[13:49] <Myrtti> 31st according to staffblog
[13:49] <jpds> MenZa: don't you read announcement?
[13:49] <MenZa> Ah, 30th.
[13:49] <jpds> -s*
[13:49] <MenZa> jpds: No.
[13:50] <MenZa> jpds: I want a freenode-announce list, damnit :\
[13:50] <jpds> MenZa: Excellent.
[13:50] <MenZa> My e-mail client is my single most important tool.
[13:50] <Myrtti> oh, 30th
[13:50] <jpds> MenZa: Freenode does have mailing lists. Somewhere.
[13:50] <MenZa> ...really?
[13:51] <jpds> MenZa: Google is your friend: http://lists.osuosl.org/mailman/listinfo/freenode-announce
[13:51] <MenZa> wow.
[13:51] <MenZa> <3 jpds
[13:51] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-meta is really nice, btw
[13:51] <Tm_T> it is
[13:51] <MenZa> eh, it's ok
[13:51] <MenZa> some coffee88 person from #gentoo keeps talking, which sets off my highlights
[13:52] <Pici> Ask them to change their nick
[13:52] <MenZa> :P
[13:52] <ikonia> MenZa: is it not bad you have coffee as a higlight ;)
[13:52] <MenZa> jpds: No activity since ... ages ago.
[13:52] <MenZa> 6 months!
[13:53]  * MenZa goes to poke christel to do moar announcements.
[14:03] <Myrtti> and again, with a new nick
[14:04] <Tm_T> not fun
[14:06] <elky> who?
[14:06] <Myrtti> a lostworlds.lv spammer
[14:06]  * Pici needs to fix his hilight color for that
[14:11] <Tm_T> Myrtti: sorry again, I was quite sure it was one night show
[14:56] <Myrtti> jriehle87: how may we help you?
[14:56] <jriehle87> tryin to receive information about some things
[14:57] <jriehle87> im in wrong chan
[14:57] <jriehle87> srry
[15:15] <Myrtti> WHERE, you stupid bot
[15:15] <MenZa> :P
[15:16] <Tm_T> that is annoying yes, it should say in what channel IMO
[15:16] <Myrtti> well we know in what channel
[15:16] <Myrtti> it's just that there is no mass join
[15:16] <Tm_T> I thought floodbots follow multiple channels
[15:16] <Myrtti> nope
[15:17] <Tm_T> they're in #k anyway
[15:17] <Myrtti> floodbots, or floodbotk?
[15:17] <Tm_T> oh, right
[15:17]  * Tm_T goes collect his eyes from drawer
[16:43] <Myrtti> FRIDAY! http://fox.nncdn.com/nn/0/691/245/o_535983.gif MOAR COWBElL
[17:24] <genii> Hm "ubotte" in #k giving bot-like "do not flood" seemingly at random
[17:24] <ikonia> lets look
[17:25] <genii> whois shows .ru
[17:25] <ikonia> speaing to him in pm
[17:29] <ikonia> he's agreed to stop pretending to be a bot
[17:29] <genii> Heh, OK. Just seemed weird.
[17:31] <ikonia> he is being weird in pm
[17:47] <Myrtti> great
[17:47] <Myrtti> my ubuntu.com address has been harvested to spam
[17:52] <ikonia> :)
[17:53]  * Myrtti spanks ikonia
[17:53] <Pici> :O
[17:53] <Myrtti> I hardly think that someone sending spam using my email address is ":)"
[17:53] <Myrtti> *Sniffles*
[18:06] <Tm_T> Myrtti: that's... not fun
[18:09] <genii> ikonia: Thanks, just got back to my computer.  Although I didn't receive any specific complaints from others about him, he PMd me 2-3 times
[18:09] <ikonia> I did
[18:09] <ikonia> he pm'd m a few times
[18:18] <Pici> oops, I should have phrased that better
[19:06] <Mamarok> Tm_T: hola is Spanish, not French :)
[19:08] <Flannel> So, "no more auto translate" that means that +q won't mean +b %foo?  but +b %foo is still what we need to do?
[19:09] <Tm_T> Mamarok: I know
[19:09] <Tm_T> Flannel: I think it means +q is what we need
[19:09] <Flannel> Tm_T: That's certainly the feeling I get, but that's not what the words are saying
[19:10] <Tm_T> Flannel: that's what they mean, anyway, but in doubt ask in #freenode-seven
[19:10] <Tm_T> Mamarok: somehow I have feeling he was french anyway
[19:29] <tsimpson> Flannel: +q is now a separate mode, to mute someone you do /mode #channel +q hostmask
[19:30] <tsimpson> so there is no need to use %
[19:30] <tsimpson> also, there is no +d (realname/gecos ban)
[19:30] <tsimpson> you use +b $r:realname to do that
[19:31] <Flannel> a separate mode yes, but that doesn't say whether b %foo will be broken, or is just deprecated, or what
[19:31] <Flannel> maybe I've just got documentation going to my head
[19:44] <niko> see http://announce.freenode.net
[19:49] <mneptok> any o: available to drop a registered nick for me? PM and i'll give you details.
[20:04] <Myrtti> oh god, would someone have patience to steer #ubuntu from "general linux chatter"?
[20:05] <Tm_T> not me, tons of things to do atm ):
[20:07] <Pici> Myrtti: ty, was lagging
[20:16] <Myrtti> there's still people who use BitchX? wow.
[20:52] <Myrtti> humdidum
[20:57] <jussi01> o/
[20:58] <Tm_T> hi jussi01
[20:58] <jussi01> o/ Tm_T
[20:59] <Myrtti> hi mdeonte :-)
[20:59] <mdeonte> hi.
[20:59] <Myrtti> how can we help you?
[21:00] <mdeonte> Myrtti: nothing, i just had to check something
[21:00] <mdeonte> i forgot someones nick :)
[21:00] <mdeonte> bye
[21:00] <Myrtti> ah
[21:00] <Myrtti> bye
[21:01] <ikonia> or testing if he was still banned......
[21:02] <Tm_T> lying wont help on that then
[21:02] <ikonia> what's #ubuntu-testimonials
[21:02] <Tm_T> neverheard
[21:02] <jussi01> no idea
[21:02] <ikonia> channel setup by a member called elfy
[21:02]  * Tm_T keeps hathing this wrecked hardware
[21:03] <ikonia> apprantly authorized by the ubuntu forum council ???
[21:03] <jussi01> ikonia: Ill grab an fc member
[21:03] <ikonia> why are the forum council authorizing irc channels ?
[21:04] <ikonia> mdeonte and a user called "elfy" - close to elky doesn't fill me with confidence
[21:04] <jussi01> ikonia: Ill check it out, thanks for drawing attention to it
[21:04] <ikonia> not a problem
[21:22] <jussi01> ikonia: well that worked out no issues
[21:23] <ikonia> better than I thought it would with montel and "elfy"
[21:23] <ikonia> kudos points to you
[21:23] <jussi01> heh
[21:23] <jussi01> elfy aparently is a forums reg
[21:23] <ikonia> elfy trying to be a smart mouth after you parted
[21:24] <jussi01> yay for fun
[21:24] <ikonia> 21:22 < elfy> yep - cya then :)
[21:24] <ikonia> 21:22 -!- jussi01 [n=jussi01@ubuntu/member/jussi01] has left #ubuntu-testimonials ["I didnt like  you anyway..."]
[21:24] <ikonia> 21:22 < elfy> well I would guess that leave message is against the CoC
[21:24] <ikonia> 21:23 < elfy> double standards ftw
[21:24] <jussi01> anyway, mike will have a word if any is needed
[21:24] <ikonia> hello guntbert
[21:24] <guntbert> hydrosis seems to be "at it" again in #ubuntu
[21:24] <ikonia> lets see
[21:25] <ikonia> guntbert: thanks - one moment, I'll sort it
[21:25] <guntbert> hello ikonia :) and bye
[21:25] <ikonia> trying to talk to him in pm
[21:27] <ikonia> on it
[21:28] <Tm_T> thanks
[21:30] <jussi01> dont you just love when they pull out: "Dont forget Im in here every day for the last month helping folks." as an excuse for their misbehaviour.
[21:30] <ikonia> covering him in pm
[21:31] <ikonia> just got rude in pm, enough
[21:32]  * jussi01 points to ikonia's pm
[21:32] <mneptok> jussi01: i've lived in the US for 44 years. that must mean i'm entitled to a homocide.
[21:32] <jussi01> mneptok: you always take it too far... ;)
[21:33] <mneptok> not too far. "logical conclusion."
[21:33] <Tm_T> jussi01: are you suggesting that mneptok has been taken too far?
[21:41]  * jussi01 prods at ikonia... this thing alive still?
[21:46] <jussi01> hiya rww
[21:46] <rww> Good day. ubottu currently has two factoids concerning lm-sensors, !lm-sensors and !sensors (which has an alias !lmsensors). !lm-sensors seems to me to be better, so I propose that !lmsensors and !sensors be aliased to it.
[21:46] <jussi01> !lm-sensors
[21:46] <jussi01> !sensors
[21:47] <Tm_T> thoh
[21:47] <jussi01> !no, sensors is <alias>lm-sensors
[21:47] <jussi01> !sensors
[21:47] <rww> Thanks :)
[21:48] <jussi01> rww: no, thank you! :D
[21:48] <rww> :)
[22:57] <ljl> i've been k-lined for "flooding services", i assume the bots running on my machine were also.
[22:57] <ljl> should be up in 10 minutes according to the message.
[23:00] <Tm_T> LjL-2: poke staff
[23:01] <LjL-2> Tm_T: it should be removed automatically in ten minutes, i'm sure that right now staff can barely stay connected, just like me...
[23:01] <LjL-2> like christel who just joined :P
[23:02] <Tm_T> LjL-2: kloeri seems to be in just fine, just like me (:
[23:02] <LjL-2> Tm_T: what server are you on? i might be interested in one that doesn't disconnect
[23:03] <LjL-2> aside from the k-line
[23:03] <LjL-2> and it's not like i haven't tried a few
[23:03] <Tm_T> jordan
[23:03] <christel> LjL-2: yeah, i needed to server hop as the lag was brutal


[00:59] <dell> Hi guys
[01:00] <RobbyF> Hi dell
[01:01] <dell> RobbyF: Hi
[01:01] <dell> I have made an app, I came here yesterday, but it was late, could you guys test my app in a phone (if you have) ?
[01:01] <dell> https://code.launchpad.net/loadshedding
[01:02] <RobbyF> ya, you linked it earlier.
[01:02] <RobbyF> how do i load it :),
[01:02] <RobbyF> I'm not a dev but I 'll glady test it out
[01:02] <dell> Yes, I wanted to know about the graphics, I am not a designer
[01:03] <dell> If there were some canonical folks, who could help.
[01:03] <thisguy> are there any alternative ways to make a flashable image? I'm trying to port it to the evo 3d and I've put alot of time into it and now im on this making a installable image step and its getting on my nerves because when I do brunch msm8660 it doesn't do it.
[01:07] <dell> If I am correct first you have to download the sdk (http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/). Then open the .qmlproject file using qtcreator. From Tools->Ubuntu make an ssh connection to the device. Build->Ubuntu->Run in device.
[01:10] <dell> There are works to be done, specially in the notification area (if someone could help me, how to use notification in qml), but the application is functional. I have made some decisions like width fixed to units.gu(50) and units.gu(75) for height, I wanted to know besides the looks, if it fits well in a device, do I have to change the size?
[01:16] <dell> If you guys find something please email me to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or file a bug.
[01:32] <dell> Screenshot is at (https://plus.google.com/107677876279450130344)
[02:10] <jimboobrien> hey anyone have ubuntu touch installed on their TF 101?
[02:11] <jimboobrien> I have used CWRM 2.2.1 to install the touch zip and the phablet.zip but still get stuck at boot with a black screen and no lockscreen for ubuntu touch
[03:21] <cakeboss> Are there plans to add support for the kindle fire?
[04:18] <thisguy> please help  I am trying to make a image for the evo 3d and when i do brunch shooter this is what i get     including vendor/cm/vendorsetup.sh build/core/product_config.mk:239: *** _nic.PRODUCTS.[[device/htc/shooter/cm.mk]]: "device/htc/msm8660-common/bcm_hcd.mk" does not exist.  Stop.
[04:25] <hopkinskong>  thisguy: You don't have device/htc/msm8660-common
[04:27] <thisguy> so i have to have that? Because my device codename is htc shooter.
[05:32] <hopkinskong> thisguy: You need that. Becuase your device uses msm8660 CPU, and you need that.
[05:32] <hopkinskong> thisguy: You may need device/htc/common, too.
[05:32] <hopkinskong> Just try to add msm8660 first
[05:32] <hopkinskong> then "brunch" again.
[06:57] <wilee-nilee> n
[07:27] <zettabytes> hello there
[07:27] <zettabytes> need some assistance
[07:43] <zettabytes> hello?
[07:44] <zettabytes> i have 1 question please
[07:44] <zettabytes> anybody??
[08:41] <wilee-nilee> m
[10:05] <drift3r4ever> some1 here have problems with camera on galaxy nexus
[12:20] <jholtom> E/linker  (  219): ics/linker.c:1598| WARNING: Skipping libc.so - Is this likely to be caused because the device does not have NEON support (Tf101), or is it something else I'm missing? and was NEON support added in the latest preinstalled?
[13:25] <vitaliy_> hi everyone ... just have done with root my nexus 10 but freez v boot to android `X forever` ... any sugestion ?
[13:26] <vitaliy_> i stack here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install --- >3.1
[13:38] <Akiva-Mobile> I am playing around with qt creator, and made a gui project. I have made a design  layout with a few buttons, menu items, text inputs, etc, but I have no clue as to how they can interact with main.cpp > Can anyone throw me in the right direction? I am a new programmer.
[13:46] <pmcgowan> Akiva-Mobile: try to make apps with no cpp, all in qml, like the examples in the coreapps project
[13:49] <Akiva-Mobile> pmcgowan: Hmmmm...
[13:53] <Akiva-Mobile> I guess for this portion of my application, I do not need it. Basically, this is my goal:
[13:55] <Akiva-Mobile> Input values into a gui [QML] > Pass values to a database [postgreSQL] > After that is done, initiate a c++ Script which interacts with a 3d engine.
[13:56] <Akiva-Mobile> So I guess all I will need is for my "Generate" button to first initiate the SQL entry, and then initiate the C++ script which will read the sql entry.
[14:14] <rickspencer3> you are a very funny man ogra_
[14:14] <rickspencer3> :)
[14:14] <ogra_> heh
[14:14]  * ogra_ takes a bow to our new CEO
[14:14] <ogra_> *g*
[14:15] <rickspencer3> :)
[14:24] <rickspencer3> is the French Contingent on holiday today?
[14:27] <rickspencer3> I wonder if it's time to start putting all of these apps on the touch images by default?
[14:27]  * ogra_ would guess so ... the more catholic your country is the more off you are today or so
[14:27] <rickspencer3> http://mhall119.com/2013/04/more-ubuntu-sdk-apps/
[14:28] <ogra_> rickspencer3, ++
[14:28] <rickspencer3> mhall119, pmcgowan thoughts? ^
[14:30] <notthisguy> hey you guys I have finaly got a build for ubuntu touch for the evo 3d and I am eager to test it out but I dont see any zip?? in out/target/product I have a folder called shooter and inside that folder are 3 folders obj, root, and system and 3 other files. Do i just compress all these into a zip folder myself?
[14:31] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3: I emailed Calum on Friday about that
[14:31] <pmcgowan> they are close
[14:31] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3: asked his view of the criteria to include
[14:31] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, cool
[14:31] <pmcgowan> sooner the btter imo
[14:31] <rickspencer3> I wonder if for the time being we should be more inclusive
[14:31] <pmcgowan> yeah
[14:32] <pmcgowan> rickspencer3: also as soon as the fix for app install goes in, it will get much easier
[14:36] <mhall119> and app launching
[14:37] <mhall119> as far as I can tell the available apps are still hard coded in the QML
[14:41] <rickspencer3> mhall119, I guess what I am suggesting is that for a while we install more apps
[14:41] <rickspencer3> even if they are not all the way "done"
[14:41] <mhall119> ah, ok
[14:41] <rickspencer3> make it so that people can do more things
[14:41] <mhall119> in that case, the calculator app is just about ready, pending calum's team's review
[14:42] <rickspencer3> mhall119, what about all the other apps in your blog, though?
[14:42] <rickspencer3> are we blocking on those just because they aren't quite perfect or so?
[14:42] <mhall119> rickspencer3: we've only been planning on including the core apps, most of my blog was 3rd party stuff
[14:43] <rickspencer3> mhall119, right, so I'm suggesting we put on 3rd party stuff for the time being
[14:44] <mhall119> it's entirely possible, sure
[14:46] <mhall119> if we want to just include as many as we can, we really would need the app install/launching fixed first, otherwise those guys would spend too much time updating the apps lists
[14:46] <mhall119> also a way to drag apps from the dash to the launcher
[14:46] <mhall119> since we wouldn't want all of them on the launcher
[14:47] <mhall119> Saviq: I tried running the unity next shell on my Nexus 7, but it keeps segfaulting on me, and I don't know how to track down the cause
[14:48] <mhall119> any advice?
[14:50] <rickspencer3> mhall119, could we not just install the apps for them? and why would we have to wait for the launcher features?
[14:50] <usertest12> I got pinged!
[14:54] <mhall119> rickspencer3: I suppose the launcher features can wait, as long as the apps are being added to the Apps lens on the dash
[14:55] <rickspencer3> mhall119, I think it's worth discussing
[14:55] <rickspencer3> I think the more things that people can do with the images, the more value we will get out of the development process
[14:59] <mhall119> rickspencer3: we'll get that discussion started then
[15:08] <notthisguy> hey you guys I have finaly got a build for ubuntu touch for the evo 3d and I am eager to test it out but I dont see any zip?? in out/target/product I have a folder called shooter and inside that folder are 3 folders obj, root, and system and 3 other files. Do i just compress all these into a zip folder myself?
[15:24] <ajalkane> Couldn't find documentation... does QML's i18n.tr() function have some way to specify placeholders for variable data that's not supposed to be translated, but that's place probably needs to change from translation to translation? For example i18n.tr("Show file %1 residing in directory %2") ?
[15:51] <xfermi> hello
[15:51] <xfermi> where i can find list with features working/not working in ubuntu phone
[15:51] <xfermi> ?
[15:53] <ogra_> the release notes ... see the channel topic
[15:53] <xfermi> ok, thanks
[15:56] <olli> kaleo_, Saviq is http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unitynext/ somewhat close to how Unity is build for the image?
[15:57] <olli> rsalveti, ^ you might know too
[15:58] <rsalveti> olli: yup, it's just that people got specific instructions there to be able to build it for the desktop
[15:58] <rsalveti> as we have a few modifications at our ppa to make it work at the images
[15:59] <olli> rsalveti, are you guys then also using ./build and .build_unity?
[15:59] <rsalveti> but we might have a ppa with unitynext already for the desktop, not sure, Saviq might know better
[15:59] <rsalveti> olli: no, we build the packages in the proper order
[15:59] <olli> rsalveti, ppa... what fun is that ;)
[16:00] <rsalveti> this is just for you to build locally in the right order
[16:00] <olli> k
[16:00] <mhall119> rsalveti: I tried those instructions, but get segfaults when running it on my n7
[16:00] <olli> mhall119, which instructions? from the URL I posted?
[16:01] <mhall119> olli: yes
[16:01]  * olli wonders as it doesn't work for him
[16:01] <olli> but works for kgunn
[16:01] <mhall119> I'm wondering if it's because I have raring on my desktop
[16:01] <mhall119> but I even tried building it on the device itself, and still no luck
[16:02] <mhall119> it seems to run for a few seconds, loads the new shell, then segfaults and restarts the old one
[16:03] <kgunn> mhall119: hadn't tried my nexus7 today...but it was working early in the week last week
[16:03] <mhall119> kgunn: using the daily image?
[16:03] <mhall119> I did a dist-upgrade, even added the SDK team's PPAs
[16:03] <mhall119> nothing seems to get it working
[16:04]  * mhall119 could try phablet-flashing again
[16:04] <kgunn> mhall119: just started from scratch to test desktop...will try n7 too
[16:04] <rsalveti> olli: to build at the device it's just easier to build the package itself
[16:05] <rsalveti> from the upstream branch
[16:05] <kaleo_> olli: it's quite a bit different when built for the image
[16:06] <kaleo_> olli: rsalveti answered :)
[16:07] <olli> thx guys
[16:17] <mterry> fginther, are there any known problems with the autopilot runs during -ci jobs for lp:unity/phablet?  My branch is failing, but I don't see any problems in my VM
[16:18] <fginther> mterry, let me take a look
[16:20] <fginther> mterry, can you point me to a merge proposal?
[16:20] <mterry> fginther, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity/phablet-greeter-lightdm/+merge/152288
[16:27] <fginther> mterry, I'm afraid I don't know enough about these jobs to diagnose the failure. You'll probably need to talk to mzanetti
[16:28] <mterry> mzanetti, poke ^
[16:28] <mterry> fginther, thanks
[17:08] <olli> tedg, ping
[17:08] <tedg> olli, Howdy
[17:08] <olli> quick q on the unity next branch, as it fails to build for kgunn and me atm
[17:08] <olli> and you might know
[17:08] <olli> :)
[17:08] <olli> cmake .
[17:08] <olli> -- checking for one of the modules 'hud-client-1'
[17:08] <olli> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindPkgConfig.cmake:363 (message):
[17:08] <olli>   None of the required 'hud-client-1' found
[17:08] <olli> Call Stack (most recent call first):
[17:08] <olli>   tests/qmluitests/qml/HudClient/CMakeLists.txt:8 (pkg_search_module)
[17:09] <tedg> You'll need HUD :-)
[17:09] <tedg> We've got some packages that are dailies you can use.
[17:10] <olli> I got that far in figuring it out ;)
[17:10] <tedg> Or you can build lp:hud/phablet
[17:10] <olli> hm
[17:11] <tedg> Hmm, the PPA seems empty....
[17:11] <tedg> Looks like alesage just went to lunch.
[17:11] <tedg> I'll have to grab him after.
[17:11] <ogra_> does it depend on jenkins tests ?
[17:11] <tedg> We were having an issue with publishing to the PPA, but I thought he'd fixed it.
[17:12] <ogra_> seems the migration to a new jenkins machine has some fallout here and there
[17:12] <tedg> ogra_, For some stuff, but this is just the autolander PPA.
[17:12] <ogra_> (IPs changed for example)
[17:12] <ogra_> ah, k
[17:13] <kgunn> tedg: ..and the script my team created does attempt build lp:hud/phablet
[17:13] <kgunn> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/phablet/view/head:/build_unity
[17:13] <tedg> olli, Actually if you do want to do a "bzr bd" from that branch, ping me, as it doesn't work out-of-the-box right now.
[17:14] <tedg> kgunn, Ah, okay.
[17:15] <olli> tedg, autogen.sh is gone in lp:hud/phablet
[17:15] <tedg> kgunn, olli, are you guys setting the pkgconfig search dir?
[17:15] <olli> tedg, I am past that point ;)
[17:15] <tedg> olli, Yes, tvoss made us get rid of it and switch to cmake :-(
[17:15] <olli> when did the switch happen?
[17:15] <tedg> olli, Thursday
[17:16] <olli> hm
[17:16] <tedg> Ah, that's probably the isuse.
[17:16] <tedg> issue
[17:16] <olli> :)
[17:16] <tedg> The script needs to be updated for CMake.
[17:17] <olli> tedg, we have ./autogen.sh --prefix $BUILD_DIR --disable-hybris --enable-localinstall; make install
[17:17] <kgunn> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/phablet/view/head:/build_unity#L142
[17:17] <kgunn> tedg: ^ at that spot
[17:17] <tedg> Just to be curious, why are you building all these branches and not just using the packages?
[17:18] <olli> tedg, because...
[17:18] <tedg> Maintaining a meta-build system is a lot of work...
[17:18] <olli> tedg, kgunn pointed out this is a Q relict
[17:18] <tedg> Oh, this is because libunity in Unity Next kills your desktop still?
[17:19] <olli> I haven't gotten that far yet to answer ;)
[17:19] <olli> tedg, which ppa are you refering to
[17:19] <olli> the phablet-team/desktop-dependencies one?
[17:19] <tedg> olli, Unfortunately I'm not, but that's a bug.
[17:19] <tedg> olli, https://launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/+archive/hud-phablet
[17:20] <tedg> olli, For a quick fix you can just build the package from that branch: bzr bd
[17:22] <olli> bd?
[17:22] <kgunn> tedg: is "bd" some sort of bzr plungin command? (didn't find it easily in the bzr docs)
[17:22] <tedg> olli, builddeb
[17:22] <olli> gotcha
[17:22] <kgunn> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/plugins/en/builddeb-plugin.html
[17:22] <olli> kgunn, I am bailing out of this for now
[17:22] <tedg> olli, kgunn, yup you need the builddeb package apt://bzr-builddeb
[17:22] <olli> kgunn, but that should be something you should update soon
[17:23] <olli> :)
[17:23] <mhall119> yes please
[17:23] <olli> sorry to try it while everything around you is broken too
[17:23] <kgunn> olli: tedg mhall119 ....guess what my evening note to albert and saviq will be  about :)
[17:24] <olli> kgunn, great
[17:24]  * olli wants to run unitynext on his desktop and install one of his to be written QML apps there
[17:27]  * mhall119 wants to hack on the shell and install it on his Nexus 7
[17:28] <mhall119> thanks kgunn
[17:28] <kgunn> sure guys :)
[17:28] <tedg> kgunn, I think we should build packages even if it's from branches.  Reality is that other teams will only keep debian/rules up-to-date.
[17:29] <kgunn> tedg: so you mean we could just change the scripts to call bzr bd
[17:30] <tedg> kgunn, Yeah, or debuild or some such.  There's options, but most importantly use the package build mechanisms.
[17:30] <mhall119> tedg: would that allow running the shell from a local build dir, or would the developer have to install system-wide packages?
[17:31] <kgunn> tedg: i gotcha...if i call debuild will it keep the libs in the local dir?
[17:31] <kgunn> mhall119: beat me to it :)
[17:31] <mhall119> :)
[17:31] <tedg> Today, they'd have to be system wide, but that's being worked on.  But they could be in /opt or something.
[17:31] <Stirner> Hi guys. Any1 knows if there is a version of this 4 Sumsung Galaxy SII?
[17:31] <tedg> There's no reason they need to override the base packages.
[17:32] <kgunn> tedg: at least i'll mention this to saviq & albert....and i see what you mean
[17:33] <kgunn> Stirner: check here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working.2C_but_not_available_from_cdimage.u.c
[17:34] <mhall119> Stirner: there are several variations of the S3
[17:34] <mhall119> see kgunn's link for your options
[17:35] <kgunn> tedg: mhall119 ...gotta run (literally...easter lunch calories)
[17:35] <olli> mhall119, I am on to http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ and noticed that when installing the ppa I run into a version conflict
[17:36] <mhall119> olli: what version of Ubuntu?
[17:36] <olli> where archive & http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa/ubuntu compete against each other
[17:36] <olli> ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins : Depends: qtcreator (= 2.7.0~rc1-0ubuntu1~raring1~test7) but 2.7.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[17:37] <olli> I am on R
[17:37] <mhall119> bzoltan: jppiiroinen: ^^ are you aware of this?
[17:37] <olli> mhall119, I fixed it for myself, not sure if this is an issue outside my laptop, just thought I'd let you know
[17:37] <mhall119> olli: thanks for the heads up
[17:59] <Stirner> kgunn: tnx man =)
[17:59] <mterry> Saviq, mzanetti: yay, my lightdm branch finally passed autopilot.  Both of you seem to have come close to approving the branch, if one you could just push it over the edge, I'd appreciate it
[17:59] <mterry> https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity/phablet-greeter-lightdm/+merge/152288
[18:03] <kheeper> hello everyone
[18:03] <Stirner> kheeper: Hi
[18:03] <kheeper> It is here someone who working on i9300
[18:06] <mhall119> rsalveti: do we have any eta on when we'll be able to rotate (even manually) the display on our devices?
[18:07] <rsalveti> mhall119: ricmm_ was the one working on that, he might know better
[18:07] <rsalveti> but he's kind of off today
[18:07] <mhall119> kind of off?
[18:08] <mhall119> that's really the only way canonicalers take time off isn't it?  "I'm not working today, but I'm on IRC answering questions and hacking on code"
[18:14] <rsalveti> mhall119: he's sick
[18:25] <mhall119> ah, so then probably just hacking on code then :)
[19:34] <rsalveti> jhodapp: were you able to test the kernel I built for you at your nexus 7?
[19:34] <rsalveti> to see if it'd make any difference at the sound support
[19:34] <ogra_> did you apply the patch from the distro kernel ?
[19:35] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup
[19:35] <ogra_> cool
[19:35] <ogra_> i bet it fixes it
[19:36] <rsalveti> that's what I want to know as well :-)
[19:36] <jhodapp> rsalveti, shoot, forgot to test it...got a link to that again?
[19:37] <rsalveti> iirc http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/nexus7/boot.img
[19:37] <rsalveti> jhodapp: ^
[19:37] <jhodapp> thanks rsalveti, and what's the command to flash that again?
[19:37] <ogra_> dd ?
[19:37] <rsalveti> jhodapp: sudo fastboot flash boot boot.img
[19:37] <rsalveti> at the bootloader screen
[19:37] <jhodapp> thanks
[19:38] <ogra_> or that :)
[19:45] <jhodapp> rsalveti, sound still doesn't work
[19:45] <rsalveti> jhodapp: not even when playing directly from the android side?
[19:45] <jhodapp> rsalveti, I made sure the volume is up, not muted, and checked alsamixer
[19:45] <pmcgowan> jhodapp: did video play for you?
[19:45] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, yeah
[19:45] <pmcgowan> hmm
[19:45] <jhodapp> rsalveti, let me try the test player from the android side
[19:45] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, latest build
[19:45] <pmcgowan> me too
[19:49] <thisguy_> After doing brunch shooter I finally got it to go through that whole process but in out/target/product/shooter there isn't a zip folder. Theres 3 folders named obj, root, system and 3 other files. Do I put all those into a zip folder my self? or is there a certain way you have to do it
[19:49] <pmcgowan> jhodapp: running 53 with that boot.img I get no video
[19:50] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, weird
[19:50] <jhodapp> rsalveti, what exactly does that boot.img change?
[19:50] <ogra_> one register at the sound driver
[19:50] <rsalveti> jhodapp: the kernel, with a fix on the sound driver
[19:51] <jhodapp> ok
[19:51] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: mind pasting the logcat?
[19:51] <rsalveti> might be a different issue
[19:51] <rsalveti> thisguy_: in theory the zip file should be generated during build time for you
[19:52] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5668495/
[19:52] <rsalveti> thisguy_: see if you have cm-10.1-20130322-UNOFFICIAL... or similar
[19:52] <jhodapp> rsalveti, android side player doesn't have any sound either
[19:53] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: no error from your paste
[19:53] <rsalveti> jhodapp: right, then I need to investigate further
[19:53] <thisguy_> rsalveti: so I should try it again and see if it will make a zip?
[19:54] <rsalveti> a bit hard as I don't have the device in hands
[19:54] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: I see a bank screen, when I rotate something flashes then vanishes
[19:54] <rsalveti> thisguy_: please, and see what is the output once the command is done
[19:54] <rsalveti> might be missing a config for your device somewhere as well
[19:55] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: how do I revert to the old boot.img?
[19:55] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: weird, was it working before at this device?
[19:55] <pmcgowan> not sure, it was last week
[19:55] <pmcgowan> did not try this build
[19:55] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: which image are you using now, latest?
[19:55] <pmcgowan> yes
[19:55] <jhodapp> rsalveti, my logcat with the test_player: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5668503/
[19:55] <rsalveti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130401/quantal-preinstalled-boot-armel+grouper.img
[19:55] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: ^
[19:56] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: just reflash that then
[19:56] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: yup
[19:57] <rsalveti> jhodapp: hm, no error, nothing
[19:57] <rsalveti> will check a bit more in the code later
[19:57] <jhodapp> rsalveti, yeah exactly...it looks like it's happy
[19:57] <ogra_> did you wash your ears ?
[19:57] <ogra_> :)
[19:57] <jhodapp> lol
[19:58] <jhodapp> rsalveti, any volume controls from the android side?
[20:00] <rsalveti> jhodapp: in theory it might depend on how the hardware is started there
[20:00] <jhodapp> rsalveti, for current volume?
[20:00] <rsalveti> but the problem is that even with alsa mixer it's not taking any effect
[20:00] <rsalveti> from the ubuntu side
[20:00] <rsalveti> jhodapp: yeah
[20:01] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: jhodapp black video on my 7 with original img
[20:01] <pmcgowan> what happun
[20:01]  * rsalveti wonders if pmcgowan ever got video working with his nexus 7 before
[20:01] <pmcgowan> the scrub is showing
[20:02] <pmcgowan> and the controls
[20:02] <pmcgowan> hey
[20:02] <pmcgowan> I did indeed
[20:02] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, can you try doing a phablet-flash -l and have it reflash everything again?
[20:02] <rsalveti> just curious if it could have hardware specifics
[20:02] <rsalveti> or device specifics issues
[20:02] <ogra_> power ?
[20:02] <rsalveti> after seeing the issues we had with nexus 4
[20:03] <pmcgowan> says 100% if tis right
[20:03] <thisguy_> rsalveti: I just got done doing it again and still there is no zip folder but this time it added another folder called symbols. So now in out/target/product/shooter I see 4 folders which are obj, root, symbols, and system. And there are three .txt files
[20:04] <rsalveti> thisguy_: then for some reason it's not building the images for you
[20:04] <rsalveti> you should have the boot.img, system.img and cm-10.1...zip files
[20:05] <pmcgowan> jhodapp: anything else I can check for you?
[20:05] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, to get video working again?
[20:05] <pmcgowan> yes
[20:05] <pmcgowan> or see why its not
[20:05] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, have you done a phablet-flash -l again?
[20:06] <pmcgowan> well no
[20:06] <pmcgowan> I can try it
[20:06] <jhodapp> ok, and if that doesn't work, I'll take a logcat output
[20:07] <pmcgowan> I pasted one up above
[20:07] <thisguy_> rsalveti: I don't know if this will help but the last line it does says....    make: *** [/home/jon/[target_directory]/out/target/product/shooter/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/liboverlay_intermediates/overlayRotator.o] Error 1
[20:07] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, right, ok
[20:08] <rsalveti> thisguy_: yeah, this mean the build finished with an error, so that's why you're not getting any image
[20:08] <rsalveti> needs to find why this error is happening
[20:08] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, that was the entire thing logcat?
[20:08] <pmcgowan> that was from when I played the video
[20:08] <pmcgowan> want the who thing?
[20:08] <pmcgowan> whole
[20:09] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, do a "logcat -c; logcat" and then I'll take the whole thing
[20:10] <thisguy__> rsalveti: what would you say I should do now? Or can you point me in a direction?
[20:10] <pmcgowan> jhodapp: not following that, adb logcat -c?
[20:11] <jhodapp> yes
[20:11] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, I think that'll work, I usually adb shell, then inside the shell just run commands
[20:12] <rsalveti> thisguy__: you should have more details at your build log
[20:12] <pmcgowan> I see
[20:12] <rsalveti> try running brunch again to see if you'll get the messages related with the error
[20:12] <pmcgowan> jhodapp: well now its empty of course
[20:13] <rsalveti> otherwise it'd be good to identify who is building liboverlay and try that by hand with mmm <path/to/liboverlay/src/code>
[20:13] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, I have to run an errand, I'll be back in 25 mins and resume looking at this with you then if you're still around
[20:13] <pmcgowan> ack
[20:14] <thisguy__> rsalveti: when I run brunch it shows breakfast menu but my device isn't listed. My device would be cm_shooter userdebug
[20:15] <rsalveti> thisguy__: but it works when calling 'brunch shooter' right?
[20:18] <mhall119> bfiller: ping
[20:18] <mhall119> bfiller: has the e-d-s/akonadi discussion advanced any further since we last spoke about it?
[20:19] <bfiller> mhall119: no
[20:19] <alittlejohn> got a question for anyone who could possibly help. its about getting ubuntu onto a galaxy nexus
[20:20] <mhall119> bfiller: right now is there any compelling reasion why it wouldn't be e-d-s?
[20:20] <bfiller> mhall119: even if it is eds that won't be the api exposed to apps most likely
[20:21] <bfiller> that's an implementation detail
[20:21] <mhall119> bfiller: oh?  is there talk about making an abstraction layer for apps to talk to?
[20:21] <thisguy__> rsalveti: yep when I do brunch shooter it starts building it or whatever it's doing.
[20:21] <pmcgowan> alittlejohn: ask away
[20:22] <bfiller> mhall119: yes, we already use QML and Qt abstractions around a lot of things, that will most likely continue for contacts
[20:22] <mhall119> bfiller: any idea who would be implementing that?
[20:22] <rsalveti> thisguy__: yup, and it'll build a bunch of libraries and binaries at the same time, so that's why the error message might be a bit sparse at your log
[20:22] <alittlejohn> i have version toro (verizon). i tried to do the flash to phone and it faild. i say that someone uploaded a file that should help me get past the fail, but how do i get the file into my library to recogize the file???
[20:23] <alittlejohn> (im not a big programmer....very new at this and just playing with some things)
[20:23] <pmcgowan> alittlejohn: if you can be a little more specific Im sure someone can help
[20:24] <alittlejohn> ok...i will try
[20:24] <thisguy__> rsalveti: It's building i'm building it again now. I will report back with what I end up with
[20:26] <alittlejohn> i bootstrapped my Galaxy Nexus. I put it into developer mode. i used the apt-get install phablet-tools command, and finially i used "phablet-flash -b -l" to get the image to my phone. that failed. "device detected as toro. unsupported device, audetect fails device"
[20:26] <thisguy__> rsalveti: by the way when I do . build/envsetup.sh this is what I get...  including device/asus/grouper/vendorsetup.sh including device/generic/armv7-a-neon/vendorsetup.sh including device/generic/armv7-a/vendorsetup.sh including device/generic/mips/vendorsetup.sh including device/generic/x86/vendorsetup.sh including device/htc/shooter/vendorsetup.sh including device/lge/mako/vendorsetup.sh including device/samsung/manta/vendo
[20:27] <alittlejohn> there is a file that is supposed to help get past that fail. my question is how do i get this file into the library so that when i run the command again it will recognize the file and not fail the phone
[20:28] <rsalveti> thisguy__: that's fine
[20:29] <pmcgowan> alittlejohn: or the toro you cannot use the flash tool, you need to do some things by hand
[20:30] <pmcgowan> and substitute the toro zip for the maguro I assume
[20:31] <alittlejohn> this is where i found the toro file.... that supposed does work. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38294870
[20:31] <pmcgowan> right that will probably help
[20:31] <alittlejohn> ok great. now how do i get THAT file to read?
[20:34] <thisguy__> rsalveti: This time it ended with a different line which says....   mdpath=`find /home/jon/[target_directory]/out/target/product/shooter/system/lib/modules -type f -name modules.order`; if [ "$mdpath" != "" ];then mpath=`dirname $mdpath`; rm -rf $mpath; fi (It added another folder also called recovery)
[20:34] <thisguy__> still no zip
[20:35] <rsalveti> alittlejohn: the way it's done there is that you'd not use this file directly from the phablet-flash command
[20:35] <rsalveti> instead, you need to boot the phone (android or ubuntu), copy the file to the sdcard partition (adb push file.zip /sdcard/), reboot into recovery and then flash the file from there
[20:37] <rsalveti> the same for the ubuntu image (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip)
[20:56] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, better after doing a fresh phablet-flash?
[21:12] <mterry> mzanetti, when do I use qmluitests vs autopilot?
[21:13] <pmcgowan> jhodapp: no, I am going back to an old image to check
[21:13] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, ok
[21:14] <pmcgowan> jhodapp: works on build from 3/25
[21:15] <jhodapp> ok
[21:18] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: wheres the build stamp file?
[21:18] <mterry> Mirv, when should I use qmluitests vs autopilot?
[21:19] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: /system/quantal-ubuntu_stamp
[21:20] <pmcgowan> thanks
[21:20] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: video worked on 3/25 fwiw
[21:20] <rsalveti> interesting, not a long ago
[21:20] <rsalveti> jhodapp: ^
[21:21] <jhodapp> yeah, I'll have to make sure I'm running the latest, phablet-flash -l thinks I am but it may be messing up
[21:31] <geeknux> hi
[21:36] <thisguy__> rsalveti: what would this mean? Warning: you may need to install module-init-tools. It showed that while it was building.
[21:36] <rsalveti> thisguy__: probably when dealing with the kernel modules, and probably not an issue for you
[21:37] <RobbyF_> rsalveti, I hope you had a great weekend. now back to work :) eta on raring for daily images/automation?
[21:37] <thisguy__> rsalveti: okay. I'm still trying to get it to make a zip. It did make a ramdisk.img but it haven't made any zip file
[21:38] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: jhodapp we are suspecting that build 53 is not as it claims
[21:38] <jhodapp> jhodapp, unsure atm
[21:38] <pmcgowan> lets simply test again with the clean autobuild tonight
[21:38] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, sounds good, I'll test that first thing in the morning
[21:39] <rsalveti> RobbyF: yeah, was on vac as well last week ;-) but we hope to have a raring based image tomorrow or later this week
[21:39] <pmcgowan> jhodapp: the 3/27 version worked as well, I think 53 is actually older somehow
[21:39] <jhodapp> pmcgowan, ok, that's good to know, thanks
[21:39]  * jhodapp runs for now
[21:39] <rsalveti> thisguy__: you'll only get the zip file once you're able to finish your build without any error
[21:39] <RobbyF> thanks, that was a nice consolidation that mhall119 did on G+
[21:39] <rsalveti> need to find what is actually causing the error there
[21:41] <mhall119> RobbyF: thanks :)
[21:41] <RobbyF> just read your netflix topic, very sneaky :P
[21:42] <mhall119> I was going to be more elaborite, being April 1st and all, but quitting time was 45 minutes ago
[21:42] <thisguy__> rsalveti: I'm trying but when it's building it's hard to see if it says error anywhere. I know I was gettig some file or directories doesn't exist and so far on my last time trying to build it ended with...   mdpath=`find /home/jon/[target_directory]/out/target/product/shooter/system/lib/modules -type f -name modules.order`; if [ "$mdpath" != "" ];then mpath=`dirname $mdpath`; rm -rf $mpath; fi
[22:24] <poseidon> Hello, is there any eta when any official hardware will be released?
[22:25] <k1l> poseidon: end of this year, is what i have in my mind
[22:26]  * poseidon feels like a kid waiting for christmas again :)
[22:26] <poseidon> does touch already use mir?
[22:26] <poseidon> that looks like a great step in the right direction.  X gross
[22:29] <k1l> afaik its based on the android base system yet.
[22:46] <IReboot> poseidon: No Mir will replace SurfaceFlinger this coming May
[23:48] <zerko> hi