[00:18] <arooni> hey team; anyway to get these emojis as full color emojis in the gnome-terminal?  💯  😀 🙏 😁  💯  i know really important right? lol
[00:20] <mittens> Bashing-om, I pressed f10 during startup and got to a page that looks like bios I think - I don't know what u mean by reset the boot order, I didn't see that kind of option
[00:21] <mittens> anyone can please help with specific steps?
[00:22] <mittens> I have my usb plugged in (with old ubuntu ver. saved in there)
[00:22] <Bashing-om> mittens: Each and every manufacturer implemtnts a differnt bios - and each is differnt from allothers . I can not tell you how to access and set the boot order on your specific machine .
[00:23] <mittens> I just hope I am tapping into bios
[00:23] <mittens> that makes sense BAshing-om
[00:23] <mittens> it looked different from what I saw before
[00:24] <Bashing-om> mittens: gnerally when you boot the system in the boot splash is an advisory as to what key to press to active the bios setting utility .
[00:24] <mittens> yes I thought I tried all the options out, but I will try one more time and see if I can notice something new
[00:25] <mittens> thanks <3
[00:25] <mittens> brb
[00:26] <Bashing-om> mittens: there is only one option - whatever it may be .. like the del - F2 - F12 are some of the more common keys .
[00:32] <mittens> I'm back!
[00:32] <mittens> and you were right, it was in the bios I just didn't catch the boot order configuring option
[00:33] <Bashing-om> mittens: :) making progress .
[00:33] <mittens> Bashing-om but I came back to ask, they gave me two different boot orders, one is for MIEF? and one is for LEGACY
[00:33] <mittens> rolly not meif but it was spelled like.. leif? UEFI! yes it was UEFI
[00:34] <mittens> ^-^;; wish my other laptop was working but something happened to its keyboard so i keep having to log out then comeback
[00:34] <Bashing-om> mittens: Unless you have the need to otherwise, by all means go with EFI . it has some speed and partitoning advantages and is the future of computers . May as well learn it now .
[00:35] <mittens> my question is: am I supposed to change boot order for both UEFI and LEGACY?
[00:35] <luisgarciaalanis> any of you guys using Wayland?
[00:35] <Bashing-om> nitemare: No, one or the other . EFI is suggested .
[00:35] <mittens> OH
[00:36] <mittens> ok I will change the UEFI boot order to USB device first and see what happens.. thanks a bunch Bashing-om!
[00:36] <Bashing-om> mittens: Long as you are trying, I will try :)
[00:38] <Bashing-om> mittens: sometimes ( though the kernel is signed ) maybe also disable secire boot whul in bios .. and re-anable after the install of drivers ( drivers are 3rd party many times ) .
[00:38] <edisonbulb> oh... secure boot... fun
[00:38] <Bashing-om> secure boot*
[00:41] <edisonbulb> i would have preferred requiring a password just to boot up to secure boot
[00:43] <Bashing-om> edisonbulb: Acer does that pass word thing . A real pain .
[00:43] <edisonbulb> prevents evil maid attacks & lets me boot anything i want
[00:57] <edisonbulb> i think my original question got buried so I'm gonna repost: how do i disable transparency in gnome in Ubuntu 17.10? it is quite annoying and I would like everything to be a solid color (preferably the default Ubuntu grey color)
[00:58] <hfp> pavlos: it's already in the list
[00:59] <kk4ewt> transparency in what app?
[01:13] <Apachez> whats the proper way to fsck during boot in ubuntu 17.04 and newer?  sudo touch /forcefsck and rebooting didnt seem to help... the file was removed but the root filesystem was never checked according to tune2fs -l
[01:20] <edisonbulb> kk4ewt: transparency in the menu bar at the top of the screen and the dock on the left side of the screen
[01:20] <Bashing-om> Apachez: You can also force fsck at boot time by passing fsck.mode=force<EMAIL_ADDRESS>.
[01:22] <Apachez> tnx ill try that too
[01:43] <Stumbler_> Is it safe to put a fresh ubuntu installation on my dmz exposed to the internet?
[01:45] <edisonbulb> well i guess the solution to my problem is going to be "sudo apt install mate"
[01:52] <mittens> Bashing-om WOOT WOOT WOOT
[01:52] <mittens> Hallelujah!
[01:52] <mittens> I am reborn!
[01:52] <mittens> thanks again
[01:56] <Bashing-om> mittens: L) .. simple as falling out od bed wide awake - when you know . Now practice good habits and not corrupt your 'buntu :)
[01:56] <edisonbulb> well then
[01:56] <edisonbulb> MATE is not showing up in lightDM
[01:56] <edisonbulb> back to square on
[01:59] <mittens> :) alright!
[02:18] <uRock> If I create a Samba user with the same username as my own, will it inherit my permissions?
[02:19] <uRock> By "my own" I mean the same as my username as the host user.
[02:25] <uRock> Nevermind, RTFMed and answered my own question.
[02:36] <jak2000> hi all
[02:36] <jak2000> i try setup a svn server but.... when try access via svn address/URL i get this error: org.apache.subversion.javahl.ClientException: E210003: connection refused by the server   any advice why?
[02:38] <mittens> hallelujah I downloaded and launched steam it worked properly this time
[02:38] <mittens> happinezz
[02:39] <mittens> anyone know if I can download tor from ubuntu software? they have different kinds of tor software and not sure which one is which
[02:40] <Bashing-om> mittens: ' apt search tor ' -> apt show <result> to know your options .
[02:42] <Prairir001> so i installed ubuntu with gnome and it was working perfectly for a few hours and then i restarted it and it wouldnt work. it boots straight into the desktop without any icons or backgrounds or any kindof graphical "pizaz" but i can move the mouse and see all the text and the dash. when i move the mouse over something like hot corner it works. when i click on an application it brings me to the login screen. and then i
[02:42] <Prairir001> login and its the same problem. i was getting an internal error from plymouth on the reboot just before if thats important
[02:42] <Bashing-om> !info tor | artful
[02:42] <mittens> actuthanks Bashing-om!
[02:43] <mittens> omg xD
[02:43] <mittens> something is happenin yayyy
[02:46] <mittens> this is me crying tears of joy  :[02:46] <mittens> hmm on second thought that doesn't look like crying face
[02:46] <Ubuntu_guy> Hi everyone. I was curious if anyone knows about an issue with the main Ubuntu repos hanging by several minutes? I had to use a different mirror.
[02:46] <bazhang> mittens, could we please take the chatter to the offtopic channel
[02:47] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic please mittens
[02:47] <mittens> got it! sorry about that Bazhang
[02:53] <mittens> Bashing-om, I downloaded Tor using terminal commands thanks again see u guys around!
[02:58] <dm_comp> Hi, How do I disable the active of Meta/Win key in gnome (ubuntu 17.10) I've tried Tweaks>Keyboard & Mouse Overview Shortcut switched to "Right Super" restarted gnome shell. this didn't work :(
[03:43] <ducasse> dm_comp: meta and win are two different keys, normally. meta is usually mapped to alt, super to win.
[03:57] <dm_comp> oh, then I meant to say super (the one with the Windows logo). I found a workaround though :)
[04:01] <infinitesum> I'm having a typography issue. This is what my screenshots look like in headless Chrome (https://imgur.com/a/HxElP), as compared with on the web: https://oembed.fwdeveryone.com/?thread-id=e8RFukWTS5Wo54fBNbZ2yQ. Because the font rendering in my ubuntu is a little wonky I'm not getting accurate height values from Selenium, because there are slightly more words per line in some of the paragraphs in the screenshot even
[04:01] <infinitesum>  though the CSS is identical. Any insight? I've tried everything on the web, but I'm mostly doing guess-and-check since I'm not sure exactly what is wrong about the fonts, other than they are kind of blurry.
[04:01] <infinitesum>  though the CSS is identical. Any insight? I've tried everything on the web, but I'm mostly doing guess-and-check since I'm not sure exactly what is wrong about the fonts, other than they are kind of blurry.
[04:03] <ducasse> infinitesum: you could try #web? that's just an early-morning guess, though...
[04:04] <infinitesum> I think it's specific to ubuntu font rendering, it's not an html or css issue
[04:27] <virtuosoj> In 16.04  I could select a keyboard input mode that was US International Alt Gr dead keys
[04:27] <virtuosoj> then I could press alt and get certain letters with accents I need to type in Spanish - can't find that option on 17.10
[04:27] <virtuosoj> anyone know how to enable this?
[04:29] <ducasse> virtuosoj: are you using wayland or x11?
[04:30] <mahdi_ja> hi all
[04:30] <virtuosoj> ducasse: wayland
[04:30] <mahdi_ja> i have a problem with internet connection.i use my phone hotspot in my pc.
[04:31] <mahdi_ja> i can not access some site but i can access these site in phone browser
[04:32] <mahdi_ja> in pc i can ping these site but i can not browse these.i change my dns but not useful
[04:32] <mahdi_ja> i use ubuntu 16.04
[04:32] <ducasse> virtuosoj: then i'm not sure, other than you can manipulate keyboard settings via various XKB_* variables in your .profile - sorry
[04:34] <rtnb> im having a problem with my ubuntu 16 install where the wifi and video drivers just randomly dont work when i boot and i have to go through lengthy processes to reinstall them... any ideas what i should do?
[04:34] <epic_null> Hello. So I have an odd problem. I have a server (on old hardware) with three different ubuntu OS - one desktop, and two servers. I decided today to boot up the desktop and run some software updates, but now I get a purple screen when trying to access the servers.
[04:35] <epic_null> I tried to run the grub-configure command, but that hasn't fixed it. Is there a good way to recover the servers from inside the desktop?
[04:41] <Bashing-om> epic_null: can you boot them with the 'nomodeset' boot parameter ? then we looking at a broken graphic's driver .
[04:53] <epic_null> um... my instructions say to modify /boot/grub/grub.conf, however I don't seem to have one. Is it something I can create and put the setting in, or is a missing grub.conf a problem?
[04:54] <epic_null> I remember at one point having one, as I have customized the load process, however I may have done that on one of my servers instead of the desktop...
[05:03] <Bashing-om> epic_null: A one tome edot is from grub's boot menu : e key -> boot paramater screen . At the line starting with linux and containing quiet splsh . replace quiet splash with nomodeset . ctl+x to continue the boot process .
[05:03] <Bashing-om> one time edit **
[05:04] <jgould> So I added a network interface to my primary box, (Let's call it USBEnet 100mbit connection) and I have my on board NIC (Onboard Enet 1000mbit connection) I want the Onboard NIC to be the default, and use the USB interface as a pipeline for my Libvirt "boxes". I have been trying to get this to work using every method under the sun, I've downloaded ifmetric and attempted to change the metric there with no success, I can't find a sett
[05:04] <jgould> ing to change the default NIC, what am I missing?
[05:04] <epic_null> er... I see a single line starting with "linux", but I don't see anything mentioninga splash.
[05:05] <epic_null> it also ends with "ro", but those might be options?
[05:05] <epic_null> I tried adding "nomodeset" after "ro" and got no change in behavior
[05:06] <Bashing-om> epic_null: The line ends with ro ? then add nomodeset just before . I can believe that a server has no quiet splash parameters .
[05:08] <epic_null> Update: It's not fixed.
[05:08] <mentalita> can someone help me configure sublime for bash
[05:09] <epic_null> and I'm honestly surprised by the purple screen. If it is normal, then it's usually not there for an entire second before I start seeing the startup messages.
[05:09] <Bashing-om> epic_null: Any hints in the boot messages in the terminal as it boots up ?
[05:10] <epic_null> I wish, but I'm not seeing them right now. :/ That's the part I'm trying to get to.
[05:11] <epic_null> I could reboot and tell you exactly what the lines are in the grub editor, or I can get you any info from the working desktop OS. The servers on the other hand, no hints or text.
[05:14] <Bashing-om> epic_null: Sorry. will take one sharper than I am at this time . too late my time to think this deep and involved .
[05:17] <jgould> So I added a network interface to my primary box, (Let's call it USBEnet 100mbit connection) and I have my on board NIC (Onboard Enet 1000mbit connection) I want the Onboard NIC to be the default, and use the USB interface as a pipeline for my Libvirt "boxes". I have been trying to get this to work using every method under the sun, I've downloaded ifmetric and attempted to change the metric there with no success, I can't find a sett
[05:17] <jgould> ing to change the default NIC, what am I missing?
[05:32] <luisgarciaalanis> Hi guys
[05:32] <luisgarciaalanis> Anyone using fractional scaling?
[05:32] <luisgarciaalanis> in wayland
[06:10] <testinguse> I have a small problem, would appreciate any help trying to fix it. I need to set kde to not try to log me into a Wayland session. It's dropping me to a black screen
[06:13] <luisgarciaalanis> thre should be a dropdown on the login screen
[06:14] <MannyLNJ> I need some help setting up LVM on a remote system. I don't understand how to do it but I know i have to in order to use two disks as one for storage.
[06:17] <luisgarciaalanis> MannyLNJ: I have not use it
[06:17] <luisgarciaalanis> MannyLNJ: what is that?
[06:20] <MannyLNJ> luisgarciaalanis, LVM is Logicial Volume Manager it lets you treat mutiples disks as one
[06:20] <Stupendoussteve> MannyLNJ: Have you read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm ?
[06:21] <luisgarciaalanis> Software raid?
[06:21] <Stupendoussteve> luisgarciaalanis: Yes, provided by the kernel
[06:21] <luisgarciaalanis> I see
[06:21] <luisgarciaalanis> you prob need the boot partition to not be on the raid :P
[06:21] <luisgarciaalanis> Does any of you guys sue a 4K desktop monitor?
[06:22] <MannyLNJ> Stupendoussteve, no not yet
[06:24] <Stupendoussteve> MannyLNJ: It has a good start. If it's remote and already running you will probably want to create a large pool for specific data
[06:24] <luisgarciaalanis> I don't know what would look crisper 4K with fractional scaling or 1440p at 27 inches... Since I don't know how fractional scaling is implemented
[06:25] <luisgarciaalanis> and I know natively gnome can only do integer.
[06:25] <luisgarciaalanis> I am looking into buying a new monitor
[06:25] <MannyLNJ> Stupendoussteve, I will look at that.  It's going to be a media server in my basement but no screem
[06:25] <luisgarciaalanis> fractional scaling is so new that its hard to find technical reviews on it
[06:26] <Stupendoussteve> MannyLNJ: Ah, so "remote" but not too remote :) I believe the graphical ubuntu install can set up an LVM based system now
[06:28] <yomm> Hi, In Ubuntu there is no module lirc_serial in the lirc package while it it present in xubuntu. is this a bug/issue ?
[07:14] <demahum> Bash 4.3.48: Why am I getting different results for "ls .* -lhtr | tail" and "ls * -lhtr | tail"? I thought they are the same, seems I got something wrong.
[07:17] <ducasse> demahum: which release is this?
[07:17] <demahum> ducasse: 16.04 servef
[07:17] <demahum> server*
[07:20] <ducasse> demahum: '.*' includes files/dirs startting with '.' ('hidden' files)
[07:21] <demahum> ducasse: It's not about that. I just need to experiment a bit and I'll understand, it's probably some my fault regarding the files and what I expect.
[07:22] <demahum> Thanks anyway. :)
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> demahum: there is also #ubuntu-server channel for you mate
[07:23] <demahum> lotuspsychje: thanks mate :)
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> np
[07:24] <ducasse> demahum: well, that . will give you different results
[07:26] <Neo1> Hi
[07:26] <Neo1> I want tell you how I've been customizing my server
[07:27] <Neo1> at first we change user to not root
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> Neo1: this is ubuntu support
[07:28] <Neo1> lotuspsychje: I want you check I'm doing correctly or not
[07:28] <Neo1> lotuspsychje: whether I'm doing correctly or not* )))
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> Neo1: this channel is not for storytelling, try to ask your question in 1 line please
[07:29] <Neo1> lotuspsychje: what the basics customization shall I do after install ubuntu server?
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> Neo1: what do you want exactly?
[07:30] <Neo1> ok, seems it's offtop, I'll go to ubuntu-oftop
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> !server | Neo1 start here
[07:30] <miatomi> heyo -- quick and probably common question. anyone know how I can get u2f yubikey auth working in browsers on 17.10? I've added the udev rules already and I'm in the plugdev group, not sure what else I could be missing... I also have the host0 libraries
[07:31] <Neo1> lotuspsychje: I want to set up server, put there LAMP and node.js and start doing chat on node.js
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | Neo1 read here mate
[07:33] <Neo1> I'll do
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> Neo1: there is also #ubuntu-server for specific server questions if you like
[07:35] <Neo1> ok, thanks
[07:44] <miatomi> hmm.. no reply means this must not be as common as I thought. I'll try the yubico channels as well
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> miatomi: to solve issues here, try repeating with all details in one line
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> miatomi: try to mentio ubuntu version, system up to date, kernel, steps taken,..
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> miatomi: users wakeup at different timezones and will be able to help when you repeat
[08:01] <rangergord> Hi. What package adds recommendations to bash when a command fails? On Ubuntu desktop if you type eg "ranger" and ranger isn't installed, it will recommend an apt package to install. On Ubuntu Server, I get no such recommendations.
[08:02] <rangergord> only "command not found"
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> !info ranger
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> rangergord: sudo apt install ranger?
[08:03] <rangergord> lotuspsychje: it was just an example, I'm looking for the Ubuntu package that does what you just did automatically
[08:03] <rangergord> sometimes a binary doesn't have the same name as the package you get it from
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> rangergord: apt-cache search your package?
[08:05] <rangergord> nm, I found it, it's command-not-found
[08:05] <rangergord> it's very convenient
[08:06] <rangergord> so desktop Ubuntu has it installed by default, but server Ubuntu doesn't
[08:12] <m15k> Is named a default enabled ubuntu server service?
[08:12] <m15k> I'm a little bit unsure who starts the process...
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> m15k: there's a nice #ubuntu-server channel
[08:14] <m15k> Ah okay.
[08:14] <m15k> Thanks
[08:19] <ducasse> rangergord: desktop ubuntu and ubuntu server are intended for different audiences, although it's a handy package i guess the assumption is that server admins don't need it
[08:19] <ducasse> rangergord: plus, they can always install it
[08:20] <ducasse> rangergord: there are many other differences as well
[08:26] <olavo> good morning
[08:27] <ducasse> \o
[08:28] <ducasse> olavo: anything we can help with?
[08:28] <olavo> yes
[08:29] <olavo> refind not boot
[08:29] <ducasse> oh, this again.
[08:29] <Knightwise> mornign
[08:30] <olavo> I still can not solve
[08:30] <bazhang> olavo, have you fully read the links we have shown you on exactly how to do that
[08:30] <olavo> yes
[08:31] <olavo> but no bootable device message
[08:31] <bazhang> olavo, so please tell us , in a full sentence what exactly is not working
[08:31] <bazhang> olavo, pastebin the exact error messages
[08:31] <olavo> ok
[08:34] <olavo> https://pastebin.com/kJHPe4U3
[08:34] <olavo> but no bootable device after reboot
[08:34] <Ben64> olavo: what iso are you using
[08:35] <olavo> ubuntu 17.10
[08:35] <Ben64> whats the md5sum
[08:36] <ducasse> olavo: you can also go here - https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/11/15/%23ubuntu.txt - search for the advice from TJ- and follow that
[08:37] <olavo> 5eb0631f28384665b57bceffe69c29b0 *ubuntu-17.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:37] <Knightwise> Ben64: its a calculation you can run to see if the image you downloaded has not been tampered with
[08:37] <Ben64> olavo: whats with the asterisk
[08:38] <truthadjustr> i gave up on ubuntu 17.10 when i tried to install it into my new dell inspiron 7000 laptop last week.. Now i have ubuntu 16.10
[08:38] <Knightwise> how do you mean ?
[08:38] <auronandace> Knightwise: he was asking olavo for it
[08:38] <Ben64> truthadjustr: bad. 16.10 isn't supported
[08:38] <Knightwise> Ben64: on what machine ?
[08:38] <Ben64> Knightwise: dunno what you're talking about
[08:39] <truthadjustr> Ben64: yeah.. but 17.10 install was looking for a CD? i burned the iso and plug to usb
[08:39] <Ben64> truthadjustr: use 16.04 if you don't want 17.10
[08:39] <olavo> that does not boot to refind
[08:39] <truthadjustr> Ben64: how come? 16.04 has longer support?
[08:39] <Ben64> truthadjustr: yep. 16.04 is LTS, supported until April 2021
[08:40] <auronandace> !lts | truthadjustr
[08:40] <Ben64> 16.10 lost support in July
[08:40] <truthadjustr> it's too late..
[08:40] <olavo> my machine is es1-132 hard drive emmc
[08:41] <olavo> EFI partition it is empty
[08:41] <truthadjustr> Ben64:  i already setup my laptop.. can i downgrade to 16.04 to have the LTS?
[08:41] <ducasse> truthadjustr: why not upgrade 16.10 to 17.04, which is supported until january, at least?
[08:41] <Ben64> olavo: run this and give result --- "inxi -Fxxprzc0 | pastebinit"
[08:42] <auronandace> truthadjustr: downgrading is not supported, you'd need to reinstall
[08:42] <truthadjustr> auronandace: cannot do that..
[08:42] <truthadjustr> no more time
[08:42] <Ben64> do you have time to deal with an exploited system?
[08:43] <truthadjustr> i'll find time to redo for 16.04
[08:43] <truthadjustr> damn it
[08:43] <ducasse> truthadjustr: continuing running 16.04 is a *very* bad idea!
[08:43] <Ben64> ducasse: 16.04 is fine :D
[08:43] <ducasse> 16.10, sorry
[08:43] <olavo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26101717/
[08:45] <Ben64> olavo: why are you using refind then
[08:46] <olavo> Why the machine does not boot
[08:46] <Ben64> because you're trying to use refind
[08:46] <bazhang> olavo, you need to answer our questions
[08:46] <ducasse> olavo: you don't need refind, it should work with grub
[08:46] <bazhang> olavo, please give answers first
[08:47] <olavo> no grub appear
[08:49] <olavo> https://pastebin.com/90PiHkTR
[08:50] <olavo> help me please
[08:54] <jatt> boot in recovery mode (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode)
[08:59] <Neo1> I've been installing apache and I don't see page http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[08:59] <Neo1> where localhost?
[09:00] <Neo1> go to link, do you see there?
[09:02] <Reign_> guys, trying to upgradr 14.04 to 14.10, sources.list has security/archive replaced with old-releases... still when I do-release-upgrade I fail with two failed fetches from archive.ubuntu.com, how come is that?
[09:02] <Neo1> see this UFW http://prntscr.com/hieycn
[09:03] <Neo1> two 80 ports, I'd been testing and added 80 port
[09:04] <Neo1> if I want for node.js open some port what shell I do?
[09:04] <Neo1> use utf?
[09:04] <Ben64> Reign_: uh, 14.04 upgrades to 16.04
[09:04] <auronandace> Reign_: 14.10 hasn't been supported for quite some time. why aren't you upgrading to 16.04?
[09:05] <jatt> Neo1: that url is working
[09:06] <Reign_> Ben64: auronandace upgrade manager offers me to go with 14.10 somehow
[09:06] <Neo1> jatt: I correct it, there in ufw was denied port 80, look at screen below
[09:06] <jatt> Neo1: alright
[09:06] <Ben64> Reign_: change the setting to LTS then
[09:07] <Reign_> Ben64: it is set to lts
[09:07] <jatt> Neo1: your node.js app can run behind port 80
[09:07] <jatt> Neo1: why use another port?
[09:07] <Neo1> jatt: yes on 80 port I will run php
[09:08] <Neo1> jatt: I want put this domain to my server, dns not installed http://american-chat.ru
[09:15] <Neo1> jatt: see I've done it http://american-chat.ru/
[09:15] <Neo1> cool
[09:17] <Reign_> Ben64: indeed it was normal again, maybe at some point it was change by default since I'm initially upgrading from 12.04, anyway, not it offered my 16.04 but fetching phase fails again whit this one issue: Failed to fetch W:Nepavyko parsiųsti http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/partner/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[09:17] <Reign_> *now it offered me 16.04
[09:19] <Reign_> any advices why 14.04->16.04 fails with this?
[09:19] <Ben64> saucy isn't 14.04
[09:19] <Reign_> no idea where it get saucy from
[09:22] <Reign_> blah, it was in souce.list under partners .. thanks again
[09:30] <Reign_> Ben64: thanks, seems to work fine now
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:55] <Jonii> Hey, umm, I upgraded my Ubuntu to 17.10
[10:56] <Jonii> And Firefox to quantum. Not sure where exactly is the problem, but all symbols are now unicode error codes on websites. Like Youtube player has unicode error symbols instead of familiar rectangle thing to indicate full screen mode and such
[10:57] <Jonii> Not sure if it's just firefox problem or what, but google searching for just firefox doesn't seem to bring up anyone else sharing this problem
[10:59] <Jonii> Aaand just as I said that, I figured it out. I had disabled downloadable fonts
[12:18] <Thyriaen> Hi, i got a wiered thing that started recently - sometimes when i click on something my screen turns green like this : https://imgur.com/a/OjUgj - i have checked temperature of my parts but they are really cool everywhere - it goes away as soon as i mouseover the menu at the top - when running games it does not happen
[12:20] <ducasse> Thyriaen: gpu/driver?
[12:21] <ducasse> and ubuntu version + desktop?
[12:23] <Thyriaen> ducasse, i am using a RxVega with a staging kernel ( which worked for about 3 months now ), using the amdgpu driver included in the custom kernel 4.13 - running the pantheon desktop
[12:24] <Thyriaen> ducasse, unfortunately i have to wait for kernel 4.15 to get released to include the DC patches so RxVega runs on it :/
[12:24] <Thyriaen> ducasse, ( Ubuntu 16.04 )
[12:29] <ducasse> Thyriaen: so you can't test with a supported kernel?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Thyriaen, what about using the AMDGPU-PRO driver with the supported kernel ?
[12:53] <Thyriaen> ducasse, yes i cannot test it with a supported kernel
[12:54] <Thyriaen> BluesKaj, amdgpu runs terrible performance wise for some reason :(
[12:56] <BluesKaj> I mean the amdgpu-pro driver
[13:00] <ducasse> Thyriaen: just a nitpick, but i would probably say "no, i cannot test..." ;)
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Thyriaen, https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver-for-Linux-Release-Notes.aspx
[13:17] <billythekido> hello!
[13:18] <billythekido> I'm on Ubuntu 17.10 and I would like to switch to snaps for every package that is available. What is the fastest way to do it?
[13:19] <billythekido> so far many gnome programs are available in snaps. Is there an automatic or near automatic way to map the installed programs to their snaps and handle the installs/uninstalls? are there any risks?
[13:21] <ducasse> billythekido: no automatic way other than creating a script, and the snap names do not always match the apt package names
[13:21] <billythekido> that's what I thought :( could be "painful"
[13:22] <ducasse> so i think you need to do this pretty manually
[13:22] <billythekido> what do you believe it would be the behaviour while updating to 18.04? do you think it will install the snaps for you? will it keep the standard programs ending up with dups?
[13:23] <billythekido> I know it is highly speculative but what you recon will be the most likely policy based on past?
[13:23] <ducasse> snaps are independent of release
[13:24] <billythekido> i think the target is when you install 18.04 to get the snap version of most packages right?
[13:24] <billythekido> (fresh install)
[13:24] <ducasse> if you have a program installed as snap now, it will still be a snap after upgrading to 18.04
[13:25] <billythekido> that's understandable
[13:25] <ducasse> but 18.04 will still primarily use apt
[13:25] <billythekido> ok that answers it I think
[13:25] <ducasse> if you want mostly snaps, look at ubuntu core
[13:26] <ducasse> that's _all_ snaps
[13:26] <ducasse> no apt at all
[13:28] <ducasse> it's not intended as a desktop system aiui, but you might learn something from it
[13:30] <billythekido> I had a look on snaps and it seems the "standard" packages are already available: gnome-calculator gnome-calendar gnome-system-monitor gnome-font-viewer gnome-logs eog evince gedit libreoffice
[13:31] <billythekido> it is reasonable to assume as you said that they will stick to apts for the next version (it is an LTS afterall)
[13:31] <billythekido> I'm tempted to risk and replace with snaps
[13:32] <ducasse> there's no ubuntu-desktop, though
[13:33] <ducasse> you should probably ask these questions in #snappy
[13:33] <billythekido> there is gnome-3-26-1604
[13:33] <billythekido> you are right
[13:33] <billythekido> worth pinging them just to hear their thoughts
[13:34] <billythekido> thanks a lot for your input ducasse :)
[13:34] <ducasse> no problem :)
[13:35] <ducasse> (i'm sticking with apt for a while yet ;)
[13:37] <Neo1> I've been customizing ubuntu sever and have got this error:
[13:37] <Neo1> Job for apache2.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[13:38] <doug16k> Neo1, did you run the command it mentioned? it usually tells you why in that output
[13:38] <Neo1> when I do sudo systemctl restart apache2, I'll get this error
[13:39] <Neo1> wait now check
[13:39] <ducasse> Neo1: it literally tells you to run 'systemctl status apache2.service'
[13:39] <alkisg> billythekido: just a user's opinion though, canonical has started a lot of things like upstart, unity, lightdm, mir etc etc only to be semi-abandoned later on....
[13:40] <Neo1> ducasse: active faild
[13:41] <doug16k> Neo1, also check apache's logs
[13:41] <ducasse> alkisg: and flatpak is a pretty serious contender, appimage less so imo...
[13:42] <adrian_1908> Neo1: use `journalctl -xe`, you probably made a mistake in your config.
[13:42] <Thyriaen> BluesKaj, yes - i tried the amdgpu pro driver - and its performance in games is horrible compared to the open source amdgpu driver
[13:43] <billythekido> geia sou alkisg
[13:43] <billythekido> that is true
[13:43] <billythekido> and flatpak has more options at the moment
[13:44] <Neo1> how get out from sudo systemctl status apache2?
[13:44] <Neo1> Ctr+X?
[13:44] <ducasse> Neo1: press q
[13:45] <adrian_1908> I'm surprised that would even block the terminal. I know it as a message printing command.
[13:45] <Neo1> how start apach2? apach2 start doesn't work?
[13:46] <Neo1> sudo systemctl apache2 start doesn't help as well
[13:46] <ducasse> Neo1: 'systemctl start apache2.service'
[13:46] <adrian_1908> Neo1: apache2.service… you can also use TAB complete if you're not sure.
[13:47] <jatt> what does ls /etc/init.d/apache* say
[13:48] <ducasse> adrian_1908: 'status' passes the output through a pager by default
[13:48] <ducasse> use --no-pager to override
[13:49] <adrian_1908> hmm, never happened to me so far. Always a message like cat.
[13:49] <akik> why isn't --no-pager the default?
[13:49] <Neo1> I've got this error http://prntscr.com/hiha1z
[13:49] <Neo1> Job for apache2.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[13:49] <adrian_1908> [14:42:21] <adrian_1908> Neo1: use `journalctl -xe`, you probably made a mistake in your config.
[13:49] <akik> it's like systemd has to change things people are used to using
[13:50] <ducasse> adrian_1908: maybe you, like me, have SYSTEMD_PAGER set to 'cat'
[13:50] <Neo1> adrian_1908: how it use?
[13:50] <adrian_1908> you type it
[13:50] <adrian_1908> journalctl -xe
[13:50] <adrian_1908> it should give you the error message near the bottom. That might help identify your problem,
[13:52] <Neo1> adrian_1908: what is this sudo apache2ctl configtest, I used this before?
[13:52] <adrian_1908> No idea, I don't use Apache. Have you run the command yet?
[13:52] <Neo1> adrian_1908: I've got it http://prntscr.com/hihb9z
[13:53] <Neo1> adrian_1908: yes this command sudo apache2ctl configtest
[13:53] <adrian_1908> Neo1: The info it gave you looks pretty informative no? Try to fix the issues.
[13:54] <ducasse> Neo1: you've typed 'ServerAllas' instead of 'ServerAlias'
[13:54] <Neo1> ducasse: yes, how you know?
[13:54] <adrian_1908> Is this a troll account?
[13:54] <Neo1> yes there show it
[13:55] <ducasse> Neo1: because i read the error
[13:55] <Neo1> ducasse: I deliberately did it, I thought alias is wrong, well
[13:55] <ducasse> omg
[14:05] <Neo1> How rename directory or file? I always use mv. Is it right way?
[14:05] <Neo1> mv old_file_name new_file_name
[14:06] <Neo1> everybody does in this way?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> right click on the file choose rename?
[14:09] <Tin_man> Neo1,  yes it is a common method, also rename is used. here is a link explaining it.. >> https://www.maketecheasier.com/rename-files-in-linux/
[14:10] <Neo1> Tin_man: Thank, I've been reading
[14:10] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. This is going to sound like a dumb question but my mouse has suddenly stopped working and now I can't move my little mouse pointer. Is there a keyboard equivalent for moving the mouse?
[14:11] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/mouse-mousekeys.html
[14:11] <Richard_Cavell> Um... I can't click on that.
[14:14] <FSFRS> Hi guyss!, Hum, there are some software like Google Drive for Ubuntu? I mean, with your folders sinc with GD. Yeah I know it's google, but I need for my job
[14:14] <Tin_man> Richard_Cavell, you can type it into your browser :)
[14:15] <FSFRS> I saw Grive in GitHub, but its a bit annoying
[14:15] <Neo1> FSFRS: do you know how to use google drive, did you see there two apps now, which you use? for second require gsuit account, What does it mean?
[14:16] <Neo1> Tin_man: I'm using that google cloud instead google drive, can't get gsuit account, do you have one? Or you'll also use clods?
[14:17] <Tin_man> Neo1, huh?
[14:17] <Neo1> Tin_man: are you sing this app? http://prntscr.com/hihkic
[14:17] <Tin_man> i have google drive, but never use it..
[14:17] <FSFRS> I want sync mi folders / files in my laptop and in my Google Drive at same time, so, I want know if there are some app for that
[14:18] <FSFRS> My english dont't help :D
[14:18] <Neo1> Tin_man: now changed google drive, before was only one app, now 2 apps, For gogole drive need to pay now
[14:18] <FSFRS> yea exactly Tin_man
[14:19] <Tin_man> there is some third party ways to connect ubuntu with google drive, but i'm not familiar with them.
[14:20] <Richard_Cavell> Does anyone know a keyboard shortcut to operate the menus that are right at the top of MATE?
[14:20] <Tin_man> here is the one that i've tried several years ago, and it worked. Not sure now if it's up todate.. >>> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-mount-your-google-drive-on-linux-with-google-drive-ocamlfuse/
[14:21] <Neo1> Tin_man: see there two drives, which do you use? https://www.google.com/drive/download/
[14:22] <FSFRS> Hum, seems nice, I miss a bit the GUI but its ok, many thanks!
[14:22] <Neo1> Tin_man: I can't use Drive file stream, am using Backup and sync
[14:23] <FSFRS> maybe I'll try a little GUI with that
[14:23] <FSFRS> make a little GUI*
[14:25] <Tin_man> As i mentioned I don't use google drive, it has a few pictures on it, but I never use it. With a very slow internet connection that I have, the cloud (any cloud) is of little use. I have my own Ubuntu file server that acts as my personal cloud.
[14:25] <Crashoveride> any one help i am having a brioan fart i need to grep a file for entries ending in ERROR or FAIL
[14:27] <FSFRS> I have it 2, well a SFTP/SSH server and work so fine. But in my job our boss told us that we should use Google Drive
[14:28] <FSFRS> anyways thanks, I will try your solution
[14:33] <frimend> Have anyone used phoronix test suite?
[14:34] <frimend> I want to try out a couple of different settings in bios for my RAM. Unfamiliar with benchmarking tools in ubuntu. But after abit of googling I have found pharonix test suite.
[14:34] <frimend> They seem to be coupled with openbenchmarking.org somehow, and there is alot of standardlized tests to be found there.
[14:34] <ducasse> Crashoveride: grep -E 'ERROR$|FAIL$' filename
[14:34] <frimend> http://openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/ramspeed-1.4.1
[14:35] <frimend> Only problem is, I have no idea of how to download and/or run this test. :)
[14:39] <Crashoveride> ducasse thank you
[14:39] <Crashoveride> have one more question if you can help
[14:40] <Crashoveride> so i mounted a nfs4 share in fstab it will mount but then its not showing the proper file system any ideas
[14:41] <Neo1> subdomain doesn't work, and I set up all right http://test.american-chat.ru/
[14:41] <Neo1> what shall I do?
[14:43] <adrian_1908> Neo1: CheekiBreeki! Ask in #httpd for Apache specific help, that's better suited to the topic.
[14:44] <timyp> anyone know of a decent twitter and reddit client?
[14:44] <timyp> as in a client that has support for both?
[14:47] <ducasse> Crashoveride: what do you mean by not showing the proper dile system - what does it show instead?
[14:48] <jak2000> hi all
[14:49] <timyp> howdy jack2000
[14:49] <Tin_man> timyp, don't know anything about this app, but seen it awhile back, >>>http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/12/reditr-reddit-desktop-app-for-ubuntu-deb-download
[14:50] <frimend> Got it working now, reading the helptext was helpfull.
[14:51] <timyp> Tin_man yes I use reditr what I was looking for is a single client for both twitter and reddit
[14:51] <frimend> :>
[14:51] <timyp> I think reditr only supports reddit
[14:51] <timyp> I'm pretty much looking for tweedeck but with reddit support
[14:51] <timyp> reditr is great btw
[14:54] <Neo1> can somebody reach it http://test.american-chat.ru or this http://example.american-chat.ru?
[14:54] <Neo1> seem need to when DNS has updated?
[14:55] <jak2000> anyone here setup a svn? i receive this error: "org.apache.subversion.javahl.ClientException: E210003: connection refused by the server" and i follow oficial site installation: "https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/subversion.html"
[14:56] <ducasse> Neo1: use this instead of asking us, this is not what we're here for: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[14:56] <jak2000> of course i opened the port 3690: ufw allow 3690/tcp
[14:59] <Tin_man> embarrassed to say, but I don't even know what Reddit is. Guess it's an age thing.
[15:00] <akik> Tin_man: it's probably worlds biggest user forum/news site
[15:01] <BluesKaj> one of the originals
[15:05] <Tin_man> well, i guess they won't miss me then if I don't subscribe..
[15:13] <krautguy> Hello, what was the name of the commandline program, which can download the content of whole directories from the internet?
[15:14] <krautguy> ah i know, it was wget, thanks anyways :-)
[15:15] <qwxlea> krautguy, or httrack
[15:17] <krautguy> oh i'll tryout httrack, thx
[15:18] <webbb> hi
[15:18] <Mr_Cyclops> can httrack download video streaming website contents as well? and would that be legal?
[15:19] <mich1x> @Mr_Cyclops, I guess if it isnt against the toss or depends on your location where i live its ok to download as fair share but not ok to share
[15:21] <Mr_Cyclops> mich1x, thanks, makes sense, so back to the original question, is httrack capable of downloading such sites after all?
[15:22] <mich1x> @Mr_Cyclops, Don't know try youtube-dl for media downloading
[15:22] <Mr_Cyclops> :) ok, will do, thanks
[15:22] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm on a machine where the mouse has failed and I can't get up to the menu to turn on Universal Access/mousekeys. Any ideas how I could simulate mouse movements using keyboard?
[15:24] <Tin_man> Richard_Cavell, don't you have a spare mouse? If not you can get one at walmart for about $8.00 US dollars..
[15:25] <Richard_Cavell> Yeah, I'm going to have to tomorrow
[15:25] <leftyfb> Richard_Cavell: what version of ubuntu?
[15:25] <Richard_Cavell> 16.04
[15:25] <jer> alternatively, you could install something like ubuntu server (has a text install interface, at least up to 17.04)
[15:26]  * jer had to do that, but for other reasons =]
[15:26] <Tin_man> Richard_Cavell, didn't you say your on Mate?
[15:26] <leftyfb> Richard_Cavell: hit the start key on the keyboard, then type in the name of the app you need and hit enter when it shows up as the first icon
[15:26] <Richard_Cavell> leftyfb: I don't have a start key
[15:26] <leftyfb> oh, that won't work on mate
[15:26] <Richard_Cavell> Tin_man: yes, I'm on Mate
[15:27] <leftyfb> try ALT+F1
[15:27] <ducasse> Richard_Cavell: can you access a terminal?
[15:28] <leftyfb> ducasse: you can always access a terminal :)
[15:28] <ducasse> Richard_Cavell: if you find a way to do so, you can use xdotool to send events
[15:28] <Richard_Cavell> leftyfb: Alt+F1 did it.  Thanks.
[15:29] <Richard_Cavell> I was able to get to Assistive Technologies and turn on mousekeys
[15:29] <Richard_Cavell> Hallelujah
[15:29] <leftyfb> it's easier to just just google shortcuts keys for mate and see that show menu panel is ALT+F1 :)
[15:30] <ducasse> leftyfb: much cooler to control your gui entirely with xdotools, though ;)
[15:30] <Tin_man> Richard_Cavell, can you type this link into your address bar of your browser >>https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/mouse-mousekeys.html
[15:30] <leftyfb> it's silly how much suggesting google around here is such a bad thing. If people used google more often, the world might not be so ignorant :)
[15:30] <leftyfb> Tin_man: problem solved
[15:31] <Tin_man> leftyfb, i've CRS disease what was the problem?
[15:31] <leftyfb> Tin_man: also, that assumes you're running ubuntu gnome, not mate and would not work
[15:31] <Richard_Cavell> Tin_man: Yes, thank you
[15:31] <leftyfb> anyway, i'm out for now ... got my "google" quota in for the day :)
[15:35] <jak2000> finished install svn server, but restarted the server, and get a refused message, then i do: /etc/init.d/svnserve stop and /etc/init.d/svnserve start and no refused message.. any advice?
[15:37] <ducasse> jak2000: which release is this?
[15:38] <jak2000> ubuntu 14.04
[15:41] <ducasse> anything from 'service svnserve status'?
[15:42] <jak2000> ducasse: i created the init script: http://odyniec.net/articles/ubuntu-subversion-server/svnserve    copied from here
[15:43] <jak2000> service svnserve status
[15:43] <jak2000> Usage: /etc/init.d/svnserve {start|stop|restart|force-reload}
[15:44] <ducasse> jak2000: sorry, upstart is not my thing. i suggest you wait for someone who isn't going to make it worse :)
[15:44] <jak2000> thanks
[15:47] <alkisg> jak2000: don't have time for full explanation, but you need to register the init.d script using update-rc.d, google update-rc.d
[15:47] <jak2000> ok thanks
[15:48] <jak2000> alkisg thanks
[15:53] <timyp> where do I add the RPAF_ProxyIPs directive for mod_rpaf? I tried to add it to /etc/apach2/apache2.conf but when restarting apache it did not understand the directive
[15:55] <Neo1> I'm set up virtual hosts, what shall I do now?
[15:56] <Neo1> ssl?
[15:56] <Neo1> I want enable ssl
[15:57] <timyp> I see i forget to add <IfModule mod_rpaf.c> and close it out with </IfModule>
[15:57] <timyp> Neo1 where are your ssl certs stored?
[15:57] <timyp> If I had that info I maybe able to provide you an example vhost
[15:58] <timyp> nero1 here is a good vhost example for ssl https://www.digicert.com/ssl-support/apache-multiple-ssl-certificates-using-sni.htm
[15:58] <Neo1> timyp: still don't know, will read
[15:59] <timyp> are you using lets encrypt?
[15:59] <Neo1> timyp: I'm going to read this https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-secure-apache-with-let-s-encrypt-on-ubuntu-16-04
[15:59] <timyp> because thats makes it super easy and provides a free cert as well. Will also write the https: redirect rules for you
[16:00] <timyp> unless you have already paid for an ssl check this out https://letsencrypt.org/
[16:00] <Neo1> timyp: it's necessary installing, after ssl you can install phpmyadmin and other application that requires security
[16:00] <Dovid> hi. I am using Ubuntu and working on writing a script to log the output of cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu[0123]/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[16:00] <Dovid> I took a VPS from digital ocean to test with and under cpu[0-3]/ I dont see any cpufreq. is there a package that I need?
[16:01] <timyp> yes you can add the documentroot for phpmyadmin in the same vhost so https://yourdomain.com/phpmyadmin will work
[16:01] <Neo1> timyp: Ok,
[16:02] <timyp> give it a go with the doc and if you get any errors when restarting apache put them in http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and share
[16:02] <Neo1> customize server is very time consuming...
[16:02] <timyp> you do it a few times and it becomes second nature
[16:03] <timyp> plus you will have working examples of vhosts the next time you need to add another site so it does get better
[16:03] <timyp> you are using apache not nginx correct? if you are using nginx that doc will not help you much.
[16:04] <Neo1> timyp: you mean copy files? I am thinking at leas create sell script that will do all routine work, I just run my script and nothing else
[16:04] <Neo1> apache
[16:04] <timyp> that pretty much what certbot does for lets encrypt setups
[16:05] <timyp> ok cool
[16:14] <[Kid]> does anyone use corosync and/or pacemaker with CLVM?
[16:18] <ducasse> [Kid]: better try #ubuntu-server
[16:18] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 17.10, fully upgraded, upgraded from 16.04 -> 17.04 -> 17.10 | nvidia 384 .Using Standard Ubuntu desktop (Gnome) my system freezes completely (probably due to 100%CPU) after trying to search for a program
[16:18] <Nitrigaur> I can't even switch out to a terminal and SSH in from external times out
[16:20] <[Kid]> thanks
[16:20] <Stumbler_> Is the default ubuntu 17 installation configuration safe to be exposed to the internet?
[16:21] <Stumbler_> or do I need to manually tighten the ropes?
[16:21] <Nitrigaur> Stumbler_, depends on what your requirements are
[16:21] <Stumbler_> I just want to keep bots out of my home network
[16:22] <Nitrigaur> Stumbler_, are you running behind a NAT?
[16:22] <Stumbler_> was going to put a box on my dmz so I could interact with some devices remotely.  but wanted to make sure I wasnt being stupid here
[16:23] <Stumbler_> I’m behind a standard cable modem. that’s about all I have.
[16:23] <Nitrigaur> Stumbler_, why would you want to put a box in DMZ if you arre going to use it as a desktop system?
[16:24] <Stumbler_> Well, Its more of a smart home hub really. I’m wanting it to be the webhook handler for my google actions
[16:24] <Nitrigaur> To interact with some devices remotely, you should configure your router so that the traffic needed for that will get through. Unless you are referring to the so-called magic-packet.
[16:25] <TaZeR> how are you guys taking the switch from unity to the unity like gnome 3?
[16:25] <TaZeR> its very weird to me, i think they should have just used stock gnome 3
[16:26] <TaZeR> but i can understand its maybe for the next release or two to help users with the move
[16:26] <GhostwalkGames> I prefer the new desktop to Unity
[16:26] <Nitrigaur> Stumbler_, DMZ machines are unsuitable to use as a standard desktop containing personal data. You'll want such a system *behind* your firewall. In your case, you should set up a separate machine that acts as a proxy to your external devices. It should be dedicated to this function.
[16:27] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 17.10 (Wayland) freezes at 100% CPU when searching for for a program. The system becomes completely unresponsive, even remote SSH doesn't work anymore.
[16:27] <TaZeR> to me it seems like the best parts of unity are now missing, while the parts that remain dont make sense anymore, like now were missing more space on top again with the title bar plus missing the side space too before it was a trade off
[16:29] <Nitrigaur> TaZeR, I'm not a big fan of either desktop environments. I prefer i3 and a lightweight no-nonsense DE such as LXDE for tasks that require overlapping windows.
[16:31] <GhostwalkGames> I don't think LXDE looks that nice compared to more bulky desktop environments
[16:31] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, true, but it gets the job done without getting in the way with useless eye-candy.
[16:32] <GhostwalkGames> Yeah it gets the job done
[16:32] <GhostwalkGames> I want eye candy though LOL
[16:32] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, it allows me to use my CPU and mem for tasks I need to do, not for something as trivial as window-dressing.
[16:33] <GhostwalkGames> You could probably use stock KDE with no changes and not have to waste time window-dressing really
[16:33] <GhostwalkGames> I mean i3WM takes time to setup and configure also
[16:33] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, KDE is a bit too unwieldy, it consumes way too much resources.
[16:34] <GhostwalkGames> I don't really mind heavyweight DEs like KDE, modern computers have so much resources now
[16:34] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, I like the default settings of i3wm, they feel sensible to me.
[16:34] <GhostwalkGames> ah okay I think you are the only person I have spoken to who uses stock i3wm without a lot of configuration
[16:34] <GhostwalkGames> configuration time is one of the biggest complaints about i3wm that I hear on ##linux
[16:35] <GhostwalkGames> With 16GB RAM and 6-8 cores being common now I think it doesn't really help to worry about the resource usage of KDE
[16:36] <GhostwalkGames> I don't see a speed increase switching from KDE to LXDE
[16:36] <GhostwalkGames> in a VM I would but not on bare-metal
[16:36] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, it is just a matter of principle, not to mention power consumption matters as well.
[16:36] <GhostwalkGames> but the power consumption differences between KDE and LXDE are very very small
[16:38] <GhostwalkGames> I understand what you are saying though, in virtual machines I behave the same way- LXDE or XFCE and i3WM
[16:38] <GhostwalkGames> and like most people I use CLI-only for VPSs
[16:39] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, I like i3wm when doing system administration and drawing. In the first instance, I can neatly organize my terminals and in the second instance, I can dedicate my whole screen to drawing, without loosing screen estate to window decorations
[16:40] <GhostwalkGames> Yeah if you are going to have multiple terminals open then i3wm is very nice
[16:40] <GhostwalkGames> and you do gain a bit of screen real-estate
[16:41] <GhostwalkGames> if I was going to draw something it would probably be within GIMP
[16:42] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, I have a fairly outdated laptop at my workplace which was about to be tossed, running i3wm, dedicated to just one task: System health monitoring using Cacti and Nagios. It works perfectly in that setup.
[16:43] <GhostwalkGames> Yeah for older hardware i3wm would be better than any DE
[16:43] <BluesKaj> yakuake or guake works great with splits
[16:43] <BluesKaj> no need for i3
[16:44] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, it makes noise when systems go critical and I can just see an overview of all servers I manage (about 80) in one glance :-)
[16:44] <GhostwalkGames> 80 servers is a lot to manage at once :O
[16:45] <GhostwalkGames> like being a stock trader but with servers instead of stocks
[16:45] <Nitrigaur> BluesKaj, Nagios and Cacti don't run in a terminal, they need a web browser.
[16:46] <BluesKaj> Nitrigaur, never used them
[16:46] <Nitrigaur> BluesKaj, the web browsers made for terminal that I know of don't have enough capabilities for proper rendering of those pages.
[16:47] <GhostwalkGames> ye it looks like Nagios has a very graphical GUI
[16:47] <BluesKaj> I don't use terminal web browsers
[16:48] <GhostwalkGames> ah it seems both Nagios and Cacti are free I might try these
[16:48] <GhostwalkGames> I like terminal web browsers sometimes :)
[16:48] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, I would not recommend Nagios for a new setup. It has to be compiled and is quite hard to maintain. I only tolerate it for now because of existing legacy.
[16:49] <GhostwalkGames> ah okay thanks
[16:49] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, a friend of mine can only use terminal web browsers, because she is blind.
[16:49] <GhostwalkGames> yeah makes sense in that case
[16:51] <Nitrigaur> GhostwalkGames, I am in the process of migrating away from both Nagios and Cacti, but I need to make sure that the candidate for that task meets all requirements before phasing out Nagios and Cacti.
[16:51] <jeremies> I can simply use to copy a dvd to iso the command "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=name.iso" or the more complicated answer in https://askubuntu.com/questions/147800/ripping-dvd-to-iso-accurately/874945#874945
[16:51] <jeremies> ??
[16:51] <Nitrigaur> jeremies, depends on what kind of DVD you are trying to copy. Is it a DVD-ROM, or a Video DVD?
[16:52] <jeremies> a dvd-rom
[16:53] <Nitrigaur> If there are no drive-sensitve nasty DRM schemes involved you could use indeed dd. If you use it for writing, make *absolutely sure* you are writing to the right device.
[16:55] <jeremies> I don't know if there is DRM i copied already with dd.
[16:55] <Nitrigaur> jeremies, if it is a commercial disk, they usually contain some sort of DRM.
[16:55] <Nitrigaur> jeremies, if it is a commercial disk, they usually contain some kind of DRM.
[16:56] <jeremies> I checked the md5sum of the image and the dvd and it's the same
[16:56] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 17.10 (Wayland) freezes at 100% CPU when searching for for a program. The system becomes completely unresponsive, even remote SSH doesn't work anymore.
[16:57] <Nitrigaur> jeremies, ah, that is a pretty safe bet, unless the disk also contains some data only readable to the optical drive's firmware.
[16:58] <Nitrigaur> usually you can see this when looking at the reflective side. You'll see two clearly separated rings...
[17:03] <jeremies> Nitrigaur, and dd by default does not use the logical block size and volume size of the input dvd?
[17:03] <vincenzoml> Hi there! In ubuntu 17.10 when I close rhythmbox I get sometimes 100% cpu usage and anyway it keeps playing and... where is it? No longer in the audio menu
[17:04] <jeremies> Have you to tell him explicitly?
[17:07] <Nitrigaur> jeremies, it does use the size, but as mentioned before, that is not always enough. Some DRM'ed contain data that is only readible by the drive's firmware, not to the OS (unless you have a driver installed that knows how to talk to drive's firmware in order to access those hidden parts.)
[17:07] <PTNapivoski> vincenzoml: Remove rhythmbox and use vlc...
[17:07] <TJ-> jeremies: dd just reads a stream of bytes, it's not interested in any underlying partitioning of the data
[17:07] <vincenzoml> PTNapivoski, does vlc manage my mp3 collection?
[17:08] <Nitrigaur> vincenzoml, does it only happen when closing rythmbox?  I had several freezes when just searching for a program.
[17:08] <PTNapivoski> vincenzoml: Try it...
[17:10] <Nitrigaur> PTNapivoski, vincenzoml Vlc does not manage collections, because that is not it's purpose. It's a streaming player foremost.
[17:10] <vincenzoml> Nitrigaur, it happens when I close the main window, rhythmbox 100% cpu, and no icon anyway
[17:11] <vincenzoml> I think this is related to the switch to gnome3
[17:12] <vincenzoml> in unity there was the audio menu and I could open rhythmbox from there
[17:12] <Nitrigaur> I have to cook now, good (insert your local daytime here) everyone.
[17:25] <jakeio> Hey, I'm having some trouble after attempting to use the Oibaf PPA (https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers) to update to mesa 17.2. When I attempt to use apt for anything I get this error: https://pastebin.com/krf96yv7 Any help would be appreciated. I have already attempted to use ppa-purge however this failed.
[17:49] <Neo1> I've installed ssl on my server, is it very secure now? https://american-chat.ru/
[17:49] <Neo1> always should use ssl?
[17:50] <Neo1> on instruction is written it's default set up for servers, without ssh you can't use phpmyadmin or something others
[17:53] <ducasse> Neo1: ssl doesn't make the server any more secure, it secures the transaction between server and client
[17:54] <PTNapivoski> ^
[17:54] <Neo1> ducasse: this is usual way install it? I even didn't understand how i did it, a few row of code all downloaded from repository and set up itself...https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-secure-apache-with-let-s-encrypt-on-ubuntu-16-04
[17:55] <Neo1> I thought it will much difficult
[18:00] <jhutchins> Letsencrypt has made it much easier.  It was always pretty simple, but a little tough to figure out.
[18:03] <visip> when you run the certbot binary you need to make sure you have enabled a few things on your apache server virtualhost file in order for it to sync correctly
[18:03] <visip> enable the default-ssl.conf with a2ensite default-ssl.conf
[18:04] <visip> Set ServerName and ServerAlias to equal the FQDN you want ie www.example.com
[18:04] <TJ-> Apache has mod_md now too, to do the cert management in-process
[18:04] <visip> then run certbot according to that digitalocean tutorial and it should work fine
[18:04] <visip> TJ-: how does it work?
[18:04] <visip> snakeoil default cert locations and dhparam files?
[18:04] <TJ-> visip: very neatly! https://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/mod/mod_md.html
[18:04] <Neo1> visip: and I can install this cert on any server even without ubuntu? Just plug repository and load bot?
[18:05] <visip> Neo1: ok well in general any debian install will follow suite with how you will run an individual binary
[18:05] <Neo1> visip: seems let's encreept is not bad service
[18:05] <visip> Neo1: how you obtain that binary migh tbe different for different distros. Here we are focused on ubuntu/deb
[18:06] <Neo1> visip: well, understood
[18:06] <visip> Neo1: lets encrypt is a nice service as many CA's and user agents actually verify it as a legitimate CAuthority now
[18:06] <Neo1> visip: ok, its the first time I've installed it :)
[18:06] <visip> As in... your users will not need to manually add the security exception to their browser due to certificate being self signed
[18:07] <visip> yea I have been running through it for the first time in a long time just the last few days
[18:07] <visip> Neo1: https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/howto-a-with-all-100-s-on-ssl-labs-test-using-apache2-4-read-warnings/2436
[18:07] <Neo1> visip: I've been doing it for a few minutes
[18:07] <visip> Neo1: this is a great example of configuring apache2.4 w/ letsencrypt
[18:08] <visip> mind you... the HPKP stuff is a little over the top and takes significant work to do correctly... most people avoid this as you can literally brick a website for all of your users if its enabled incorrectly
[18:09] <visip> the major different in that tutorial
[18:09] <visip> is the ./letsencrypt-auto
[18:09] <Neo1> visip: well, added it to bookmarks, will read later, I'm going to install phpmyadmin and node.js now, and afterwards make conclusions...
[18:09] <webbb> Interesting question: What is the easiest and simplest way iredeemably borking an Ubuntu system? :)
[18:10] <visip> which you would replace with: certbot --apache -d example.com --rsa-key-size 4096
[18:10] <visip> webbb: rm -rf /
[18:10] <TJ-> webbb: depends on your definition, overwrite with zeros is pretty final
[18:12] <irongeeks> Hello.. confused when installing Brother printer driver on th enetwork on Ubuntu. It says: select the number of destination Device URI. Can I just use the "Auto" selection so that it wil automatically find it, shoulud the IP changed?
[18:16] <tsimonq2> Is there an easy way to get the source package on the command line when passed a binary package and when the binary package is *not* installed?
[18:16] <tsimonq2> Google has proved fruitless.
[18:17] <TJ-> tsimonq2: "apt-get source <package>"
[18:17] <tsimonq2> TJ-: That grabs the source code, I just want something parseable
[18:18] <irongeeks> I'm all set bitches.
[18:18] <TJ-> tsimonq2: you want the *name* of the source package? then "apt-cache showsrc <package>"
[18:19] <irongeeks> LOL
[18:56] <jeremies> when I rsync one SRC and DEST, some files are syncronized but I haven't changed them, why?
[19:01] <LiftLeft> My volume control won't show. I had my laptop on battery and it died. I get harddrive errors at boot and I rebooted twice.
[19:02] <LiftLeft> It's the thing only thing that went wrong
[19:02] <LiftLeft> as far as I can tell
[19:02] <illfated> hey everyone
[19:04] <illfated> Im having troubles getting my wireless adapters work with 17.10 does anyone know where theres a forum that can help me? thanks
[19:05] <sibok> Hi, could someone point me to a neat way to switch the whole system from openssl to libressl? Thx :)
[19:06] <AntonM> How is libressl any better?
[19:06] <m5w> Hello.  My computer doesn't connect to WiFi until I login to my desktop environment.  In Network Manager, I have the network set such that all users are allowed to connect to it.  I would like my computer to connect to any known WiFi network at boot-level 3.
[19:06] <AntonM> @m5w What desktop environment do you use?
[19:06] <m5w> KDE
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> illfated: wich wifi chipset do you have?
[19:07] <sibok> AntonM: Could you point me on how to switch to? Thx
[19:08] <TJ-> m5w: check /var/log/syslog, that's where Network Manager logs to. There may be a clue... possibly the passphrase for the network is in your user's personal keyring
[19:08] <illfated> I got a broadcom chipset and let me check the other one
[19:09] <m5w> TJ-: what kind of message am I looking for? i.e. is there some kind of label for Network Manager messages?
[19:09] <illfated> since I updated to 17.10 the internal chipset isnt working
[19:09] <m5w> ah, looks like NetworkManager
[19:10] <LiftLeft> nvm
[19:10] <LiftLeft> I fixed it
[19:13] <jeremies> After connecting the pen drive to windows and executing the following command "rsync -avP --delete --exclude="System Volume Information" /media/grans/JESUS/ /home/grans/Documents/Jesús/pen\ drive/" some files are syncronized but i haven't modified them. Why?
[19:13] <m5w> Dec  3 14:00:54 matthew-ThinkPad-T570 NetworkManager[1074]: <info>  [1512327654.8907] device (wlp4s0): state change: need-auth -> failed (reason 'no-secrets') [60 120 7]
[19:13] <m5w> so, it does appear to be about authentication
[19:13] <m5w> I'll try deleting the connection and re-adding it
[19:14] <m5w> maybe if I let all users connect before adding my password, everything will work?
[19:14] <m5w> worth a shot
[19:15] <elisa87_> hey how can I do this? https://askubuntu.com/questions/982817/processing-lots-of-images-which-have-their-names-stored-in-a-csv-file-from-termi  please have a look
[19:20] <m5w> ...and it didn't work
[19:21] <m5w> so, how should I actually go about this?
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> illfated: did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[19:22] <TJ-> m5w: is the Wifi AP using TKIP (pre-shared key) or 'Enterprise' ?
[19:23] <m5w> TJ-: Enterprise with PEAP
[19:24] <TJ-> m5w: aha!  is this happening from a cold boot or after resume from suspend?
[19:24] <m5w> cold boot
[19:24] <m5w> suspend, if I'm connected, there aren't usually issues
[19:24] <m5w> occasionally the network goes down, but not regularly
[19:25] <TJ-> m5w: there's a known issue where if the regulatory domain of the client and the AP are different it can fail, but not sure that's your issue
[19:25] <m5w> mainly I want it to connect on boot, before I log in, so that smartd can send emails and a network drive can mount
[19:25] <m5w> what is a regulatory domain? an AP?
[19:26] <m5w> sorry, not familiar with either of those
[19:27] <TJ-> AP=Access Point, Regulatory Domain is the legal domain (authorised channels/frequencies) where you are.
[19:28] <TJ-> m5w: it looks like you've probably got some of the PEAP info in your user's home directory. Is your user using encrypted home directory?
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> elisa87_: is this what you search for? https://askubuntu.com/questions/859275/using-a-csv-file-to-move-files-to-different-directories
[19:28] <m5w> no, just whole-disk encryption
[19:29] <tieinv> .1
[19:29] <m5w> inner authentication is MSCHAPv2, CA certificate is /etc/ssl/certs/AddTrust_External_Root.pem
[19:30] <TJ-> m5w: Not sure then, but from your description it sounds like there's something in your home directory/accessible only after your user password has been entered, required for the connection
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> !sound | LiftLeft
[19:30] <m5w> ok, so how would I fix that?
[19:30] <LiftLeft> I said I fixed it
[19:30] <LiftLeft> can't you read/
[19:30] <LiftLeft> ?
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> LiftLeft: you never said wich part, you asked like 3 issues in 1 question
[19:31] <TJ-> m5w: I'd guess it'll be the passphrase/password - check if that is being stored in the Gnome keyring (the application is 'seahorse' but I think the menu entry is something like "Certificates and Security")
[19:31] <jeremies> Why enabling 64-bit virtualization in BIOS is considered unsafe?
[19:32] <m5w> oh, I'm pretty sure that I disabled my keyring
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> jeremies: perhaps a question for ##hardware?
[19:32] <m5w> but idk
[19:32] <jeremies> ok thank you
[19:32] <m5w> I'm using Kubuntu, so it would be kwallet
[19:33] <m5w> oh, no, it's enabled for some reason
[19:34] <m5w> TJ-, I found entries under Maps under Network Management in KWallet
[19:35] <m5w> so, how do I decouple Network Manager from KWallet?
[19:47] <m5w> ok, so can I not do that?
[19:47] <m5w> is there anyone who has successfully gotten WiFi to connect at boot?
[19:47] <m5w> or is that just not possible without hard-coding /etc/interfaces
[19:53] <m5w> just for reference, this doesn't work at all: <https://askubuntu.com/questions/1277/how-do-i-configure-wifi-to-log-in-to-wpa-at-boot-time-regardless-of-user-being#1409>.
[19:56] <m5w> It perplexes me that there's such a drought of knowledge as to how to do such a simple thing.
[19:57] <m5w> it's also quite troubling that, by default, many people's laptops won't actually have a network connection at bootlevel 3
[19:57] <m5w> yet bootlevel 3 is supposed to raise the network connection
[20:02] <TJ-> m5w: most work; your situation is the exception
[20:09] <m5w> ok, how should I get help with this?
[20:10] <m5w> perhaps someone in #kubuntu will know
[20:12] <tsimonq2> TJ-: Thanks.
[20:14] <TJ-> m5w: Network Manager can store the credentials in it's own files under /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/  see "man nm-settings" and Table 1
[20:16] <TJ-> m5w: I'd suspect the password-flags for your connection is set to 1 - which means (see end of 'man nm-settings') it asks the user-agent for the credentials
[20:22] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 17.10, nvidia 384.90, Gnome std. desktop (as default by Ubuntu): desktop freezes on 100% CPU when searching for program. This did not happen on 16.04
[20:22] <zerothis> how can I do an apturl (apt://package) in wikicode? I just need a single file and no repo specified.
[20:23] <Nitrigaur> CPU is consumed to such extent that terminal (local/ remote) is no longer possible and I have to hard-reboot the machine
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: did you try the xorg session?
[20:23] <Nitrigaur> zerothis, just enclose it in double brackets.
[20:23] <Nitrigaur> zerothis, [["URL"]]
[20:24] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, ah, welcome back :-)
[20:24] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: have you run a tail on dmesg and watched for errors before the system locks up?
[20:25] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, I don't know how to choose that session. I'm currently on Unity, I only 3 options: Ubuntu Desktop, i3wm and Unity
[20:25] <Nitrigaur> TJ- I might try a tail -f
[20:26] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, or a watch for that matter. Along with a top to see what process presumibly enters a race condition.
[20:26] <zerothis> Nitrigaur: well, wikis do not make a link of that. it they simply show the unlinked plain text "[[apt://package]]" "[[apt://package apt link]]" "[[apt://package | apt link]]"
[20:27] <Nitrigaur> zerothis, that's odd. Double brackets generally denote a link.
[20:27] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: if the system really freezes - no mouse movement - then it suggests a hardware fault of some kind, so there may be a kernel PANIC
[20:27] <Nitrigaur> TJ- , no mouse movement indeed
[20:28] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: how long (time-wise) is the 'search' going on before it freezes? And what kind of search is this? typing a name in the Dash?
[20:28] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, but a hardware fault seems highly unlikely, since the system is a) quite new, b) runs with ample ventilation, c) did not act up before the upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10
[20:28] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, only a couple of seconds tops.
[20:29] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: we've had a lot of issues with the v4.13 kernel in 17.10 due to firmware ACPI bugs, since the kernel has tightened up it's implementation of the ACPI specification
[20:29] <Nitrigaur> TJ- indeed, specifically, I searched for Thunderbird.
[20:29] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: there's a simple change you can apply to test if the ACPI issue could be the cause:  http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[20:31] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, thank you for the link. I'll try it to see if that is the cause. Still, if it's a hardware <-> issue, running Unity or Gnome3 shouldn't make any difference, what you?
[20:32] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, I am now running Unity on exactly the same kernel, without any issues whatsoever.
[20:32] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: I agree, but easier to attack the low-hanging fruit because debugging this kind of issue can get very intense and take a long time, if there's no log evidence
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: the guest account could also be a test
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: or a liveusb 17.10
[20:33] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: it's always possible there is corruption in some files that are being executed
[20:33] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, to see if my profile somehow got corrupted during the upgrade?
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: yeah i always wanna exclude leftovers from upgrades, you never know..
[20:33] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: for the system to completely freeze suggests some executable has made a system-call into the kernel which has not returned
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic artful
[20:34] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: the fact the mouse interrupt isn't being handled is a big clue
[20:35] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: these issues often require a process-of-elimination to narrow down the cause, so the more tests you can do the more you can rule out
[20:35] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, that would make sense. Another thing that struck me was that after the upgrade, the system hard-froze and would not reboot automatically. After a power cycle, I had no issues of this kind anymore, but it's still odd. There were 3 errors reported on not being able to unmount /home /efi and /sys
[20:35] <Nitrigaur> Of course I made a screenshot of that moment.
[20:36] <Nitrigaur> And old-fashioned screenshot using my camera, that is.
[20:36] <Nitrigaur> An old-fashioned screenshot using my camera, that is.
[20:37] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, I hope my EFI has not been corrupted like the Lenovo laptops... Oh well, I'll test using your provided links and some common sense.
[20:37] <Nitrigaur> Just now, my Compiz crashed.
[20:39] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: sounds more like corruption to me. Check logs (/var/log/Xorg.0.log and possibly $HOME/.xsession-errors)
[20:39] <Nitrigaur> TJ, I got the following Compiz "error" within Apport: invalid core dump:BFD: Warning: /tmp/apport_core_fgsap98x is truncated: expected core file size >= 400629760, found: 138477568
[20:39] <ioria> Nitrigaur, comiz ? on 17.10 ?
[20:39] <ioria> *compiz
[20:40] <lotuspsychje> ioria: he's on unity
[20:40] <ioria> ah, ok
[20:40] <Nitrigaur> ioria, I'm running Compiz on Unity on 17.10, because the Gnome Desktop is quite unstable for me now.
[20:40] <ioria> Nitrigaur, i see
[20:40] <tomreyn> elisa87_: mkdir images; for file in $(cut -d, -f2 /tmp/data); do mv $file images/
[20:40] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: have you checked the kern.log for disk I/O errors?
[20:41] <Nitrigaur> ioria, as unstable as to cause a hard-freeze that necessitates a hard reboot
[20:41] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, yes, no I/O errors found
[20:41] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: how about running a memtest86+ on the RAM?
[20:41] <ioria> Nitrigaur, i use unity on 17.10 , no issues ... so far
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> ioria: how did you install
[20:42] <ioria> lotuspsychje, unity-session
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> cool
[20:44] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, Xorg.0.log: These lines don't look healthy:
[20:44] <Nitrigaur> [    39.646] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting
[20:44] <Nitrigaur> [    39.646] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
[20:44] <Nitrigaur> [    39.648] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
[20:44] <ioria> Nitrigaur, proprietary driver installed ?
[20:45] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: that's fine; which driver is actually in use?
[20:45] <Nitrigaur> ioria, yes, 384.90 (newest default driver through regular Ubuntu install method(
[20:45] <ioria> Nitrigaur, and your card ?
[20:46] <Nitrigaur> ioria, a nVidia 1060 GTX
[20:46] <ioria> oh
[20:46] <ioria> a big card
[20:46] <Nitrigaur> Indeed :-)
[20:46] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: did you test other drivers?
[20:47] <ioria> Nitrigaur, i'd try https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa  (after purging the present one)
[20:48] <ioria> Nitrigaur, 387 i mean
[20:48] <Nitrigaur> ioria, no. That is a hack not a solution. Thanks for thinking along though.
[20:48] <ioria> hack ?
[20:49] <Nitrigaur> ioria, As in: not officially supported by Ubuntu. That qualifies as a hack in my book.
[20:49] <ioria> Nitrigaur, in general yes, not for that (wit)
[20:49] <ioria> mighrt be wrong
[20:49] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: for such card, i would also recommend testing other drivers
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: you got a few tests to run as suggestions now :p
[20:51] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, if push comes to shove, maybe I will. I will stick with the supported options for now and a ppa is not one of them.
[20:52] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, ioria , TJ-, I got two Compiz errors during my present session:
[20:52] <ioria> Nitrigaur, let' see
[20:52] <Nitrigaur> Dec  3 21:19:38 ubsilver compiz[3764]: ERROR 2017-12-03 21:19:38 unity.glib.dbus.server GLibDBusServer.cpp:538 DBus name lost 'org.gnome.Shell'
[20:52] <Nitrigaur> Dec  3 21:19:38 ubsilver compiz[3764]: ERROR 2017-12-03 21:19:38 unity.glib.dbus.server GLibDBusServer.cpp:538 DBus name lost 'com.canonical.Unity'
[20:53] <ioria> idk, compilation error ?
[20:53] <ioria> Nitrigaur, that's why i suggested ppa
[20:54] <Nitrigaur> ioria, compilation? How did you get to that conclusion? As far as I see it, this is a runtime error.
[20:54] <Nitrigaur> Ah, you mean because of the .cpp extension?
[20:54] <ioria> sorta
[20:55] <ioria> Nitrigaur,  and default nouveau  not working at all ?
[20:56] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: did you try a tail -f /var/log/syslog until you freeze and see at wich step it goes wrong?
[21:00] <Nitrigaur> ioria, lotuspsychje, TJ-, first of all, I'll try a tail -f  and a watch dmesg to find the process(es) involved in the freeze. Afterwards, I'll try the nouveau driver. If that still shows the same symptoms, a driver incompatibility will be a less likely issue. After that, I'll try the script that TJ- suggested.
[21:00] <ioria> Nitrigaur, sounds good
[21:00] <Nitrigaur> ioria, lotuspsychje, TJ-, See you soon, I have to log out and into the std. Gnome desktop to see if this works.
[21:09] <alexas> any way I can format some small part of my external hdd to put some linux distro on it to be able to boot it up and make full scale backups of existing system(s)?
[21:09] <alexas> without loosing already existing data on external hdd?
[21:10] <auronandace> alexas: wouldn't it be better to just use a liveusb and keep your external hdd for storage?
[21:11] <alexas> auronandace: I know that scenario, but am aiming to make it more simple and use only one usb device for the whole operation
[21:12] <auronandace> alexas: you can do that if you want to. just make a separate partition for your install
[21:13] <Cr4zko> Yo!
[21:13] <Cr4zko> Yo!
[21:13] <Cr4zko> Wassuup
[21:14] <Cr4zko> Why's systemd evil?
[21:14] <alexas> auronandace: am looking for a more extended material that I can read about so I will not make accidental mistake with corrupting already existed  data on hdd
[21:14] <auronandace> alexas: you should have backups in any case
[21:15] <foul_owl> What's the preseed option for ssid and psk?
[21:15] <alexas> auronandace: I don't have a sufficient capacity of storage anywhere at hands at the moment, unfortunatelly
[21:16] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, I have rebooted after being presented with a mostly white greeter after logout from Ubuntu Unity (*not* normal). this greeter did not provide any means to reboot, so I had to reboot via a sudo shutdown -r. After that, I'm in Gnome and everything at least *seems* to be fine. Still the issue in the log of the fallback to previous VESA mode detection, but otherwise fine.
[21:16] <auronandace> alexas: so the safest thing to do is keep your live setup and backup storage separate
[21:17] <auronandace> alexas: there is always some risk in partitioning so better safe than sorry
[21:17] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, What I *did* notice however is that the Ubuntu session in the greeter specifically mentioned Xorg, no option to select Wayland
[21:17] <alexas> auronandace: right, pk thanks
[21:17] <alexas> ok*
[21:18] <Nitrigaur> TJ-, The next step is to try your script, just the diagnostic part mind you.
[21:39] <Jakeukalane> Hello. I have a HDD with a Ubuntu 16.04 installed. I want to put another HDD as a slave with Windows. How I would do that in the grub? If it is not right to ask this question here, where I could ask? Thank you
[21:46] <Bashing-om> Jakeukalane: Install Windows on that 2nd hard drive, boot up ubuntu and run terminal command ' sudo update-grub ' .
[21:54] <Bashing-om> Jakeukalane: Another preventive thought . EFI machine ? Then make sure both systems are installed as EFI .
[21:56] <Spitfaya> Hi guys, I'm new to ubuntu and i was wondering if someone can help me with samba\
[21:56] <Comnenus> Why is "virtualbox" 5.0 and there are standalone packages for 5.1 and 5.2?  Are there problems with later versions?
[21:59] <Spitfaya> I'd like to share a folder on an internal drive so I can access it as a guest from windows but I keep getting permission issues.... but if I create a folder on my ubuntu desktop I can share it easily... so I think that has something to do with the mount point.
[22:15] <MarkB2> I did ..something.. with ccsm.  Managed to recover from most of the screwup... but the last "oops" has me stumped.
[22:16] <MarkB2> When I open any program that has a GUI interface, it opens with the window titlebar above Unity's top bar.  I can't move the window.
[22:17] <MarkB2> If I put the focus on the window and use ALT-F7 then I can move the window with the cursor.
[22:47] <Jakeukalane> Bashing-om, both systems are already installed. is bios not EFI.  Thank you
[22:47] <Jakeukalane> cool, seems easier than I though
[22:52] <Bashing-om> Jakeukalane: :)
[22:53] <Ricardus> Has anyone ever seen any weird behaviour with the new Firefox (quantum)? Whenever its running on my system, and I install a new font, and view it with the Ubuntu font viewer (by double clicking the TTF or OTF file) it locks up Firefox.
[22:59] <Spitfaya> Hellooooo! .... can anyone help me plssss?
[22:59] <tomreyn> !ask | Spitfaya
[23:00] <Spitfaya> sry guys... I did ask the question earlier but no one answered.... it's concerning samba sharing
[23:01] <Spitfaya> i'm trying to share a folder as guest on my network.... if i share it from my desktop it opens just fine as guest but if I share it from my internal drive i get permission error
[23:02] <Spitfaya> so my question is does the mount location affect the samba permissions and if so how can I share as a guest from an different drive than my home
[23:03] <compdoc> so if it works on your desktop, then sounds like you dont have permissions right
[23:04] <Spitfaya> I can access the shared folder from a windows PC... only if the folder is located on my desktop
[23:04] <Spitfaya> if i try sharing a folder on my other HDD it gives me permission errors
[23:06] <Spitfaya> these are my smb.conf
[23:06] <Spitfaya> [Nas_03]
[23:06] <Spitfaya> 	path = /media/render/047A20780D15CFF0/Nas_03
[23:06] <Spitfaya> 	writeable = yes
[23:06] <Spitfaya> ;	browseable = yes
[23:06] <Spitfaya> 	guest ok = yes
[23:08] <Spitfaya> do I need to change the ownership of the folder to "nobody"?
[23:09] <compdoc> hmm, I usually use a group and root
[23:11] <Spitfaya> for some reason the same configuration works on Xubuntu but not on 16.04.... unless there's some samba settings i'm missing
[23:12] <Spitfaya> do I need to enable wins support?
[23:18] <blakehschwartz75> Hello!
[23:18] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg: you there?
[23:41] <cruxpot> is it possible to mount zfs pools from an older freebsd drive?
[23:41] <cruxpot> with ubuntu 16.04
[23:50] <jna> Hi, I have some STM32F3 devices, I want to write Assembly (ARM Thumb2) for them using Ubuntu 17.10 ... what I am looking for? A gcc-arm compiler?