[06:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libreoffice [amd64] (groovy-proposed/main) [1:7.0.1-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[10:09] <Laney> ogra or cjwatson: Would either of you mind checking if you have an ubuntu/amd64 CD image build failure email from this morning please?
[10:09] <Laney> I'm not sure I didn't reflexively/accidentally delete it, but I want to assert in a new bug report that it wasn't sent :-)
[10:09] <ogra> LiveFS ubuntu-base/groovy/armhf failed to build on 20200918
[10:10] <ogra> thats all i got
[10:10] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/groovy/daily-live-20200918.log <- some assets failed to download from Launchpad
[10:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-10-cross (focal-proposed/main) [6ubuntu2 => 6ubuntu3] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[10:10] <Laney> yeah OK, I remember getting that one too
[10:10] <Laney> merci
[10:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-10-cross-ports (focal-proposed/universe) [5ubuntu1 => 5ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[10:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-10-cross-mipsen (focal-proposed/universe) [2+c1 => 2+c1ubuntu2] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-9-cross-mipsen (focal-proposed/universe) [4+c2ubuntu2 => 4+c2ubuntu3] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-9-cross-ports (focal-proposed/universe) [18ubuntu3 => 18ubuntu4] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[10:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-9-cross (focal-proposed/main) [21ubuntu3 => 21ubuntu4] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[10:19] <cjwatson> Laney: I do tend to reflexively delete those (I should really get myself removed from the recipient list), but I checked my procmail logs and there's no indication of that
[10:24] <Laney> Cheers
[10:24] <Laney> Filed https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/groovy/daily-live-20200918.log
[10:24] <Laney> nope
[10:24] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian-cd/+bug/1896215
[10:45] <rbalint> Laney, could you please merge this for glibc ? https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/390910
[10:45] <rbalint> Laney, also thanks for extending the retries!
[12:10] <Laney> rbalint: done, and np
[12:20] <rbalint> Laney, thanks, when can the tests be retriggered to run with the new config?
[12:53] <RikMills> the last 18.04 -> 20.04 upgrade blocker bug had its fix released, so is there an ATA on enabling upgrades?
[12:55] <RikMills> *ETA
[12:59] <rbalint> RikMills, i'm hoping to get the glibc update out before that because wsl1 breaks in 20.04 until the fix is in place
[12:59] <RikMills> rbalint: handy to know. thanks
[13:25] <Laney> rbalint: you can do that any time
[13:30] <ahasenack> hello release team, here is an FFe for squid to address the FTBFS with glibc 2.32: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid/+bug/1895694
[13:30] <ahasenack> this also fixes the DEP8 test that is blocking some migrations
[13:30] <ahasenack> since one of the dep8 tests involve rebuilding squid, and hit this bug
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted anna [riscv64] (groovy-proposed) [1.58ubuntu2]
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pkg-haskell-tools [sync] (groovy-proposed) [0.12.2]
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libreoffice [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [1:7.0.1-0ubuntu1]
[14:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ublock-origin [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [1.29.0+dfsg-2]
[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pkg-haskell-tools [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed/none) [0.12.2] (no packageset)
[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pkg-haskell-tools [s390x] (groovy-proposed/none) [0.12.2] (no packageset)
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pkg-haskell-tools [amd64] (groovy-proposed/none) [0.12.2] (no packageset)
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: python-zstd (groovy-proposed/primary) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pkg-haskell-tools [armhf] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0.12.2] (no packageset)
[14:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pkg-haskell-tools [arm64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0.12.2] (no packageset)
[15:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sane-backends [source] (focal-proposed) [1.0.29-0ubuntu5.2]
[15:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sane-backends [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.27-1~experimental3ubuntu2.4]
[15:08] <jdstrand> fyi, I made a mistake with the apparmor 3 upload. I pocket copied apparmor directly to groovy-proposed instead of doing a source upload, but this needs FFe approval. I did it only a few minutes ago and it didn't migrate or anything, so I deleted it from groovy-proposed and I'm uploading a new souce build now. sorry
[15:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pkg-haskell-tools [riscv64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0.12.2] (no packageset)
[15:22] <jdstrand> sigh, I thought we were actually frozen. /me deletes and makes sure the bug has everything needed
[15:33] <jdstrand> ok, for anyone interested in looking at the apparmor FFe, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1895060/comments/7
[15:34] <jdstrand> let me know if we need to do anything else
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pkg-haskell-tools [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [0.12.2]
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pkg-haskell-tools [armhf] (groovy-proposed) [0.12.2]
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pkg-haskell-tools [riscv64] (groovy-proposed) [0.12.2]
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pkg-haskell-tools [arm64] (groovy-proposed) [0.12.2]
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pkg-haskell-tools [s390x] (groovy-proposed) [0.12.2]
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pkg-haskell-tools [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed) [0.12.2]
[16:57] <blackboxsw> tjaalton: if around for SRU unapproved review  we have a Xenial cloud-utils upload pending for cloud-utils http://launchpadlibrarian.net/497529464/cloud-utils_0.27-0ubuntu25.1_0.27-0ubuntu25.2.diff.gz
[16:58] <blackboxsw> also second package ubuntu-release-upgrader for Xenial , Bionic and Focal to add a couple mirror urls: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=ubuntu-release-upgrader
[17:04] <bdmurray> blackboxsw: u-r-u was accepted for focal
[17:10] <tjaalton> blackboxsw: getting late for me
[17:19] <blackboxsw> bdmurray: +1 thanks, I'll test/validate focal via upgrade path now
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-zstd [source] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-zstd [s390x] (groovy-proposed/none) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-zstd [amd64] (groovy-proposed/none) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-zstd [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed/none) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-zstd [arm64] (groovy-proposed/none) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-zstd [armhf] (groovy-proposed/none) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-zstd [amd64] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-zstd [armhf] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-zstd [s390x] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-zstd [arm64] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-zstd [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[18:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-zstd [riscv64] (groovy-proposed/none) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-zstd [riscv64] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[19:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sshuttle (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.78.3-1ubuntu1 => 0.78.3-1ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[19:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sshuttle (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.76-1ubuntu1 => 0.76-1ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sshuttle (focal-proposed/universe) [0.78.5-1ubuntu1 => 0.78.5-1ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[20:17] <rbalint> vorlon, so i found the first real glibc regression LP: #1896281
[20:18] <rbalint> vorlon, i think this should not hold glibc back so i'm filing a hint for unhide
[21:10] <vorlon> rbalint: ok; and then you'll do a follow-up upload of glibc?  where will this be tracked?
[21:11] <rbalint> vorlon, please merge this as well for glibc https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/autopkgtest-cloud/+merge/391010
[21:11] <rbalint> vorlon, i've opened the bug and now testing a fix for unhide
[21:15] <rbalint> vorlon, imo this does not warrant an immediate glibc upload, we can even release groovy with this bug
[21:15] <vorlon> hmm
[21:15] <vorlon> well, I've targeted it for 20.10
[21:16] <rbalint> vorlon, the return value is ok, just the errno is wrong
[21:16] <vorlon> so unhide is improperly checking errno before retval?
[21:16] <rbalint> vorlon, yes
[21:16] <vorlon> ok, agreed that it's not critical for glibc, feel free to untarget
[21:17] <rbalint> vorlon, before , heh, without :o)
[21:17] <rbalint> ok
[21:19] <rbalint> vorlon, squid needs the FFe to unblock glibc will it be approved?
[21:22] <vorlon> well, now that I know there's a request, which seems to have had the release team subscribed a mere hour ago :)
[21:23] <vorlon> granted
[21:24] <vorlon> rbalint: autopkgtest-cloud merged && deployed
[21:40] <rbalint> vorlon, thanks, triggered as well
[21:51] <rbalint> vorlon, so i've uploaded fixed unhide, squid may be hinted and the only remaining packages is fpc with LP: #1896293
[21:54] <rbalint> vorlon, how do you feel about demoting fpc and rev deps to groovy-proposed to let glibc in? i'm giving a try to rebuilding fpc but it may not work without additional changes
[21:54] <vorlon> rbalint: fpc has a lot of reverse-build-deps, so I don't think that's the right choice
[21:54] <vorlon> rbalint: I did already test a no-change rebuild of fpc here and it didn't help
[21:56] <rbalint> vorlon maybe a badtest since it is not fully broken?
[21:57] <vorlon> possibly; do you mind doing some testing of some of the revdeps to check if they still build?
[21:57] <vorlon> regardless this looks like an fpc bug to me rather than glibc and we should likely not block on it, but I don't want fpc to fall off the radar
[21:59] <rbalint> vorlon, i'll open the upstream bug and we can keep an eye on it
[21:59] <rbalint> vorlon, i'm setting up a ppa for the builds
[21:59] <vorlon> ta
[22:11] <rbalint> vorlon, i've linked the ppa from the fpc bug
[22:13] <rbalint> so i'm uploading the systemd po
[22:13] <rbalint> int release i've pre-tested and go to sleep :-)


[00:03] <kevin_> Sorry to bother, but would anyone know how I should go about setting up a USB connected printer? I've done it using CUPS before, but never with the Xubuntu helper.
[00:05] <soldats> xubuntu uses cups
[00:05] <kevin_> I know.
[00:05] <kevin_> It's just the phrasing with the GUI configuration throws me off.
[00:07] <soldats> ahh well i never use printers so i have no clue
[00:07] <kevin_> I'll try localhost:631
[00:49] <lesshaste_> how can I get the power manager icon to reappear? It has gone for some reason on my laptop
[00:50] <lesshaste_> I can't tell how much battery power I have left :)
[00:52] <soldats> rclick the task bar and add it again
[00:55] <lesshaste_> thanks
[00:56] <lesshaste_> hmm...
[00:56] <lesshaste_> except the power manager isn't listed is it?
[00:56] <lesshaste_> I see batter monitor
[00:56] <lesshaste_> but that isn't quite the same
[00:57] <lesshaste_> I just want to change the preferences for how and when it sleeps
[00:59] <lesshaste_> basically I just want the gnome-power-manager back
[00:59] <lesshaste_> soldats, any ideas?
[02:10] <isforinsects> I'm looking to use xubuntu live to help recover my laptop.  Know where I can find a ppc image?
[02:10]  * isforinsects would rather not have to roll his own tonight
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> isforinsects: cdimage.ubuntu.com should have it
[02:46] <isforinsects> Danke tonyyarusso.
[02:46] <isforinsects> Hrrm.  Not finding ppc builds immediately.  Continuing to poke 'round.
[02:47] <tonyyarusso> oh wait, nvm
[02:47] <tonyyarusso> a sec
[02:47] <isforinsects> I'm looking for the no-longer-officially-supported ppc architecture btw.  I don't know if I made that clear.
[02:48] <tonyyarusso> It's somewhat hidden, but there ;)
[02:48] <tonyyarusso> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/7.10/release/ubuntu-7.10-desktop-powerpc.iso
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> It's the /ports/ part that I forgot to mention
[02:49] <isforinsects> excellent, thanks.
[03:38] <isforinsects> odd.  I can boot, but I'm stuck in initramfs
[03:38] <isforinsects> Where is startx?
[04:34] <Groovestix> hey folks! I am looking for a guide to enable networking between Xubuntu and WinXp
[04:35] <Groovestix> does anyone know about one?
[04:50] <abraham> how is everyone?
[04:51] <isforinsects> groovestix: check out any of the many resources on Samba
[04:51] <abraham> Just a quick question. How do I see what errors happen at login? I get an error that states that I don't have permission to access the system configuration upon boot
[04:51] <Groovestix> isforinsects: I found a youtube video that apparent;y works, based on the comments and the views
[04:51] <abraham> I don't know what's trying to load, and this is a brand new install of Xubuntu
[04:52] <isforinsects> Groovestix: There are some tricky bits sometimes in windows networking.  Go hang out in #samba if you can't figure it yout./
[04:52] <Groovestix> they told me to google
[04:52] <Groovestix> very helpful
[04:52] <Groovestix> btw, is there a way to uninstall nano?
[04:53] <isforinsects> It's a fairly trivial program, why bother?
[04:53] <isforinsects> I would think that 'sudo apt-get remove nano' would do it
[04:53] <Groovestix> :)
[04:54] <Groovestix> with that being said, I wanna strip xubuntu down
[04:54] <Groovestix> so I can put BOINC, a GUI and enable networking
[04:54] <Groovestix> I wanna have this machine always on
[04:54] <Groovestix> (it's an old one)
[04:58] <abraham> how do I change passwords?
[04:58] <Groovestix> I hope I'll be able to do that
[04:59] <abraham> mygod, does xubuntu have any function? sudo doesnt' do anything in terminal
[04:59] <abraham> I give up
[05:01] <abraham> Again, as earlier today, thanks for helping me with my questions
[05:01] <zoredache> why do you think nano will have anything to do with boinc?
[05:03] <zoredache> also, why not start with a cli only install and add only what is needed, instead of trying to strip something down?
[05:09] <wweasel> Guys, what is the default photo viewer in Xubuntu?
[05:14] <Groovestix> hey people, what is the equivalent to "places" (Ubuntu)  in Xubuntu?
[05:14] <Groovestix> in other words, how do I access my network?
[05:20] <zoredache> Groovestix: there is none... to access your network you can install smbfs and mount the volumes from a terminal
[05:21] <Groovestix> sudo apt-get smbfs  ???
[05:21] <zoredache> yes
[05:23] <Groovestix> btw zoredache, I just saw what you said
[05:23] <Groovestix> I suck with terminals since I am new
[05:24] <Groovestix> that's why I wanna strip, rather than build
[05:25] <Groovestix> also, I received "E: invalid operation smbfs"
[05:31] <Groovestix> zoredache: any ideas?
[05:40] <isforinsects> Groovestix: Google ubuntu packages, they have a nice search engine.  And I believe that it's 'samba', not smbfs to install.  But there are a dozen tools.
[05:40] <isforinsects> I usualy install one or another that depends on the samba root materials.
[05:40] <Groovestix> I think the repositories aren't set
[05:40] <isforinsects> Keep?  Some female name?  Can't remember atm
[05:40] <isforinsects> Oh?
[05:40] <Groovestix> huh!??
[05:41] <isforinsects> Groovestix: I was referring to the package I install.
[05:42] <isforinsects> It's gsambad.
[05:42] <isforinsects> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=samba&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all
[05:42] <isforinsects> those are the packages you can call by name.
[05:42] <Groovestix> Ifound this
[05:42] <Groovestix> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[05:42] <Groovestix> is it any good!?
[05:42] <Groovestix> looks old
[05:42] <isforinsects> And you can do repositories by 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and uncommenting things.
[05:42] <isforinsects> Or vi if you prefer *shudder*
[05:43] <zoredache> Groovestix: apt-get install smbfs
[05:43] <zoredache> you need an action
[05:44] <Groovestix> it seems like I already have it
[05:45] <neur1> what's faster, ob or xfce?
[05:46] <neur1> fb? & ob tie, too hard to tell?
[05:50] <neur1> in xubuntu does gedit work well?
[05:56] <Groovestix> neur1: yes, gedit works fine
[06:05] <neur1> thank you
[06:13] <sstchur> In both kde and gnome, the volume control on my keyboard works automatically... is there I can make it also work with xfce?  It doesn't appear to by default
[07:37] <newbieee> how do i add a my most usable programs to panel in xfce????
[07:39] <newbieee> how do i add a my most usable programs to panel in xfce????
[07:39] <newbieee> how do i add a my most usable programs to panel in xfce????
[07:39] <newbieee> how do i add a my most usable programs to panel in xfce????
[07:39] <newbieee> how do i add a my most usable programs to panel in xfce????
[07:39] <newbieee> how do i add a my most usable programs to panel in xfce????
[07:39] <newbieee> how do i add a my most usable programs to panel in xfce????
 newbieee, right-click on panel, add Launcher
[07:39] <predaeus> newbieee, stop flooding the channel please.
[07:40] <newbieee> people wake up.......sun is on your head
[07:40] <predaeus> your question has been answered. If this is not a suitable answer then please rephrase your question.
[07:40] <newbieee> there is no launcher
[07:43] <newbieee> thanks a lot for your help...now i got it sorry for trouble...but without that i think i would have not got any answer from this channel.
[07:46] <predaeus> newbieee, I answered your question 20mins ago in the #ubuntu channel
[07:46] <predaeus> and I've answered it after the first time you've asked here.
[07:46] <predaeus> no need for flooding at all.
[07:49] <newbieee> predaeus: then its my fault...i thought no one is responding. i dint saw your reply...
[07:51] <predaeus> newbieee, no problem. Just ask again then, but please don't flood, it is considered harsh and unfriendly to flood the channel.
[07:51] <predaeus> and it's all volunteers here, so please be patient.
[07:52] <newbieee> k
[07:53] <newbieee> now i want to put opera in my panel so i selected network now how to select opera?
[07:54] <predaeus> newbieee, hm that's just the Icon it seems. You would have to enter opera into the command field.
[07:54] <predaeus> "command"
[07:55] <predaeus> newbieee, http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#launcher-item
[08:07] <newbieee> predaeus:hey thanks nice link,.....can you tell me one more thing from which folder i can get the i cone for the programs
[08:09] <predaeus> newbieee, hm I think the location of the icon file depends on the program. You could run "locate opera" in a terminal and see what it brings up and what might be the icon.
[08:10] <predaeus> newbieee, there seem to be a lot of program icons in /usr/share/pixmaps check that
[08:10] <predaeus> e.g. Firefox icon is in there.
[08:14] <newbieee> hey got it thanks budy.
[08:14] <soldats> /usr/share/applications
[08:15] <soldats> /usr/share/icons
[10:30] <hey-hey> could someone please give me a hand
[10:31] <hey-hey> a pm is needed tho as this is quite a long problem
[10:31]  * hey-hey np: Alison Limerick - Where Love Lives [05:21m/256Kbps/48KHz]
[11:30] <marybuntu> i forgot how to do this.  i downloaded Rainlendar, a calendar app, yesterday, and i want to pin to start menu, but i've forgotten how to find the file path for the command in the startup window...
[11:30] <marybuntu> file:///tmp/rainlendar2-lite_2.3.b54-1_i386.deb is how it appeared in the download window ...
[11:31] <stone[no]> in the console: "which rainlender" will show you the path to the binary
[11:32] <marybuntu> stone[no]: ok, lemme try
[11:33] <marybuntu> stone[no]: doesn't work for me .... no output from the terminal with that command or with 'whereis rainlendar' as someone else suggested; any other ideas?
[11:34] <stone[no]> Is the app installed?
[11:36] <marybuntu> stone[no]: ok, wait; i entered rainlendar2 and get this: /usr/bin/rainlendar2 /usr/share/rainlendar2 ...i don't understand if i should use the usr/bin portion, the usr/share portion, or the whole string?
[11:37] <stone[no]> Use "/usr/bin/rainlendar2" this is the binary. To make sure, you could type /usr/bin/rainlendar2 in the console and se the program start :)
[11:38] <marybuntu> stone[no]: ok, great; thanks so much ... i go try
[11:43] <neur1> anybody lose all thier panels?
[11:43] <neur1> it's looks like i'm running ob
[11:48] <marybuntu> stone[no]: thanks, all working satisfactorily now .. :)
[11:50] <neur1> hello
[11:54] <kritzstapf> hi, i downloaded the 7.10-i386-desktop image, burned it, checked the hash, boot it wont boot :/
[11:55] <stone[no]> np
[11:56] <kritzstapf> okay, tried a different device, now it boots,..
[14:22] <neur1> anyone use e17
[14:33] <kritzstapf> hm, in many configuration dialogs there is a close button but no apply button
[14:33] <kritzstapf> how to save the settings then?
[14:35] <neur1> hello
[14:43] <gabkdlly> kritzstapf: when there is no apply button, settings are saved as soon as you set them
[14:45] <kritzstapf> okay
[15:10] <slow-motion> hi
[15:20] <Joeboy> Hi. Just wondering, what do I get if I install xubuntu-desktop that I don't get if I just install xfce4 on gutsy?
[15:20] <Joeboy> Is it just themes and stuff?
[15:21] <TheSheep> Joeboy: all the apps and settings
[15:22] <wubuntu> Hi, is there any possibility to chnage the font size of the xfce-menue?
[15:22] <Joeboy> TheSheep: so, if I just want a more lightweight environment for my basically functional ubuntu I should just go for xfce?
[15:22] <TheSheep> wubuntu: yes, settings->user interface settings
[15:23] <TheSheep> Joeboy: yeah, probably, and maybe some additional plugins for the panel or guis for settings, if you like them
[15:24] <Joeboy> TheSheep: thanks
[15:25] <wubuntu> TheSheep: Thanx, but I mean just for the menu - seems that settings-user interface changes the size for all apps and windows, or?
[15:26] <Indigo> Hi
[15:26] <Indigo> please somebody help me...
[15:26] <Indigo> there is anybody connected?
[15:27] <stone[no]> Indigo: What do you need help with?
[15:28] <Indigo> i'm using xubuntu 7.10
[15:28] <wubuntu> no one an idea?
[15:28] <Indigo> but my msn client is Kopete
[15:29] <Indigo> sudently it cruch  & the desktop now, after a reboot, is unconfugured, , it works when it pleases
[15:30] <Indigo> even the Xfce4.terminal don't work some times
[15:31] <TheSheep> wubuntu: ah, just for menu, you would have to make or modify your gtk theme
[15:31] <Indigo> only the commands runned by su (or sudo) work, except for the web browser
[15:32] <stone[no]> Indigo: ctrl+alt+F1 or F2. run dmesg or less /var/log/messages. Try to pin out the bug...
[15:33] <wubuntu> how? in .gtkrc.2-0?
[15:34] <wubuntu> or the whole gtk-theme?
[15:34] <Indigo> dmesg or less /var/log/messages?? what is that?
[15:34] <TheSheep> wubuntu: any way you like it, they are merged on load
[15:35] <TheSheep> Indigo: check the rights and owner of your home directory
[15:35] <neur1> is there a way to add the nm applet to a shelf in e17?
[15:36] <wubuntu> TheSheep: don't know how to do?
[15:36] <Indigo> i'm the root, the owner, blablabla... i'm the onlyone usingg the computer
[15:36] <InCaPaCe> salve, ho provato a mettere un plugin per xmms ma si bloccava a ./configure .. dice che non c'è glib e che devo installarlo.. quindi l'ho installato ma non funziona
[15:36] <TheSheep> wubuntu: look for some howto on gtk themes
[15:36] <InCaPaCe> ops
[15:36] <InCaPaCe>  hi, i tired to install a plugin for xmms but when i do ./configure it gives me an error... configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***   so i installed glib but it doesn't work.. can you help me? (sorry for my english)
[15:37] <TheSheep> Indigo: install the -dev package for it
[15:37] <TheSheep> Indigo: sorry
[15:37] <TheSheep> InCaPaCe: that was for you :)
[15:37] <Indigo> hahhaha
[15:37] <InCaPaCe> yes but.. which -dev package? :S
[15:38] <TheSheep> InCaPaCe: for the libglib, possibly version >= 1.2.2
[15:39] <Indigo> ah! i forgot tu tell you.. after every reboot or shutingdown , all the work done return to zero, i mean, all re "reconfiguration" i've done
[15:39] <InCaPaCe> i alredy have got it
[15:41] <InCaPaCe> ..
[15:43] <stone[no]> indigo: I've got no idea why it's behaving so. Look in your logs and try to find the bug. 'dmesg' will show you the latest. Most messages from the system will be logged to the file: /var/log/messages
[15:45] <Indigo> it's a huge message
[15:47] <stone[no]> Indigo: the latest messages will be last. You can use 'tail -f /var/log/messages' it will continusly show the last message to be added to the messages. Use ctrl+c to stop it.
[15:51] <Indigo> ' tail -f /var/log/messages '  does not send me any message
[15:52] <Indigo> but dmegs send me [1079.366191] ide: failed opcode was : unknow
[15:56] <Indigo> that's the last line of a huge message
[15:56] <stone[no]> Indigo: I'm about to leave, sorry I can't help you more... You could try to add a new user (remember do give it access to the 'admin' group, to use sudo). See what happens with the new user.
[15:57] <Indigo> thank...
[18:11] <Dagaka> can I run terminal applications via the Verve Command Line?
[18:13] <TheSheep> Dagaka: terminal -x command
[18:13] <TheSheep> Dagaka: maybe there is a better way
[18:14] <Dagaka> TheSheep: thanks thats good enough for me
[18:14] <Dagaka> works perfectly
[18:14] <sstchur> Is there a way that I can make my keyboard's volume control work in XFCE? (like it does automatically in Gnome and KDE?)
[18:14] <TheSheep> sstchur: yes, there are several howtos on the forum
[18:14] <TheSheep> sstchur: basically you binf the keys to commands for changing the volume
[18:15] <sstchur> TheSheep: ok thanks, where do I find that forum?
[18:16] <TheSheep> !forum
[18:16] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[19:57] <logd> hi could some1 help me setting up a wifi ad-hoc connection betwen  pcs ?
[20:14] <misterblonde2517> hi, i was wondering if someone might be able to help me with an installation problem
[20:15] <vidd> misterblonde2517, what is your question
[20:16] <vidd> logd ask away
[20:16] <misterblonde2517> i installed xubuntu off teh text based cd
[20:16] <misterblonde2517> everythign seemed to go fine
[20:16] <misterblonde2517> but after the reboot, after the load screen with the title it stops compeltely
[20:17] <vidd> which version?
[20:17] <misterblonde2517> 7.10
[20:18] <misterblonde2517> i also had problems using the main version of the boot cd (not the text based) that one kept locking up midway through the install
[20:18] <vidd> can you <alt><tab><1>?
[20:18] <vidd> when the text install freezes?
[20:19] <misterblonde2517> the text intstall worked, the other one freezes
[20:19]  * vidd never uses the gui(live) install cuzz he could never get it to work right
[20:20] <vidd> right....but it freezes when you reboot.....right?
[20:20] <misterblonde2517> yep
[20:20] <vidd> can you hit <alt><tab><f1>?
[20:20] <misterblonde2517> it told me it completed sucessfully, and to take the cd out and reboot, and it just hangs at a black screen after the intial logo and load bar
[20:21] <misterblonde2517> its not doing anything
[20:21] <misterblonde2517> (im on the laptop, the problem computer is right next to me)
[20:21] <vidd> what are you system stats?
[20:22] <vidd> (ram, hd size, etc)
[20:23] <misterblonde2517> 80 gb hd 256 mb ram fx 5500 128 mb
[20:23] <vidd> fx 5500 is your display adapter?
[20:24] <misterblonde2517> yea, and the onboard video doesnt work at all
[20:24] <vidd> did you set your partitions, or did you let the installer do that?
[20:24] <misterblonde2517> let the installer do it
[20:24] <misterblonde2517> i told it to do the whole disk
[20:25] <vidd> can you reboot and hit <ctrl><alt><f1> as soon as the splash screen shows up?
[20:25] <vidd> hopefully we will see some error messages
[20:26] <vidd> heh....im half tempted to have you re-install to just a cli
[20:27] <vidd> and then add xubuntu-desktop (and everything that goes with it) after the system boots
[20:27] <vidd> ^^ is actually my prefered method of install on a new system
[20:28] <misterblonde2517> nothing that really stood out ill try it one more time i think i was 1 or 2 things
[20:28] <misterblonde2517> thanks for all your help this is my first linux experience haha
[20:29] <vidd> we all started somewhere
[20:29] <misterblonde2517> hardwere drivers failed to reset no boot flag
[20:29] <misterblonde2517> and then something about cpu frequency flashes fast
[20:31] <vidd> did it freeze again?>
[20:31] <misterblonde2517> yep
[20:31] <misterblonde2517> im fine with re-installing the whole thing if you think that would be best
[20:31] <vidd> feel up to a reinstall to just the cli?
[20:31] <vidd> (is that still an option?)
[20:33] <misterblonde2517> sure, but id need help, id be totally lost
[20:33] <vidd> i will be here
[20:33] <vidd> i will walk you throught the entire install....
[20:33] <vidd> you have a question just ask me
[20:34] <misterblonde2517> ok, so i want to go to install a command line system?
[20:34] <vidd> yes
[20:36] <misterblonde2517> ok so this happend last time, there are no network interfaces detected
[20:36] <misterblonde2517> is that ok? (i have an ethernet card in the computer)
[20:36] <vidd> should be ok
[20:39] <vidd> misterblonde2517, i will be right back.....
[20:39] <vidd> i need to switch computers
[20:42] <vidd> misterblonde2517, told ya id be back
[20:42] <misterblonde2517> haha
[20:43] <misterblonde2517> so which partion method should i pick
[20:43] <vidd> default should be fine
[20:43] <misterblonde2517> so guided resizze SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda)
[20:44] <misterblonde2517> cause there is also use entire disk, and there is a really screwed up xp on here that i wouldnt use at all
[20:45] <vidd> then use the entire disk
[20:45] <vidd> that actually might be why you were having issues b4
[20:47] <misterblonde2517> do i want to set up an LVM
[20:47] <vidd> no
[20:48] <vidd> i would remove all partitions and use the entire disk
[20:51] <misterblonde2517> k so it says that the following partitioins are going to be formatted : partition #1 of SCSI1 as ext3 and partition #5 of SCSI1 as swap
[20:51] <vidd> sounds good
[20:52] <misterblonde2517> so while im waiting for this thing to format.. have you hear dof/have any opinions on the asus Eee pc
[20:53] <vidd> havent heard of it
[20:53] <vidd> got a URL?
[20:53] <misterblonde2517> http://eeepc.asus.com/global/
[20:53] <misterblonde2517> its a really small laptop that runs i think a modified xandros
[20:56] <vidd> its cute
[20:58] <misterblonde2517> haha, yea i was thinking of changing the linux istro on it cuase the one it comes with is kinda kiddy
[20:59]  * vidd needs functional....not cute
[21:00] <vidd> i like how its "xp compatable"
[21:00] <misterblonde2517> haha, eh for 300$ it gets the job done
[21:00] <misterblonde2517> keyboards a lil small
[21:00] <vidd> but only has a 4gb hard drive
[21:01] <misterblonde2517> yea, but i got an 8g sd card
[21:01] <misterblonde2517> wish it ran a lil faster
[21:02] <misterblonde2517> it comes underclocked
[21:02] <misterblonde2517> whcih is kinda ridiculous for something that tops out at 900 mhz
[21:02] <vidd> is that what your installing on?
[21:02] <vidd> or chatting with me on?
[21:02] <misterblonde2517> nah, im installing on my old dell
[21:03] <vidd> does the dell have a nic or wifi card?
[21:03] <misterblonde2517> my main computer is a sager 2090, then i have the eee for moving around, and the dell was collecting dust till a read an article on linux
[21:03] <misterblonde2517> just the ethernet plug
[21:03] <vidd> is it plugged in?
[21:04] <misterblonde2517> no
[21:05] <vidd> that is why it was saying it wsnt finding your interface
[21:05] <vidd> brb
[21:07] <sevendeuce> Hello folks. Anyone familiar with making the terminal as your background? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-create-a-transparent-terminal-session-as-your-desktop-background.html
[21:07] <sevendeuce> I have Xubuntu as my windows manager, and the steps aren't exactly the same, but I did try the steps. But it does't work. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[21:07] <vidd> misterblonde2517, im back
[21:08] <misterblonde2517> kk im about to restart, the install finsihed
[21:08] <misterblonde2517> anything i should be hitting on boot?
[21:09] <vidd> plug into your router
[21:11] <vidd> misterblonde2517, you booted up?
[21:11] <vidd> it should be rather quick
[21:12] <misterblonde2517> grub just loated
[21:13] <misterblonde2517> its on running local boot scripts
[21:13] <misterblonde2517> ok
[21:14] <misterblonde2517> so im in teh cli
[21:14] <vidd> ok...log in
[21:14] <misterblonde2517> kk im in
[21:14] <vidd> is your pc plugged into your router?
[21:15] <misterblonde2517> i just checked, i think its the one thats broken
[21:15] <misterblonde2517> should i turn it off and put in a good ethernet car
[21:15] <vidd> not just yt
[21:16] <vidd> is the cd in the drive?
[21:16] <misterblonde2517> no i took it on when it reboted
[21:16] <misterblonde2517> should i put it back in?/
[21:16] <vidd> yes
[21:17] <misterblonde2517> kk its in
[21:18] <vidd> once its in, type sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[21:20] <misterblonde2517> random question, i have an old as dirt wintv tv tuner, will it have the drivers for it do you think?
[21:20] <vidd> yes
[21:20] <vidd> it should
[21:21] <misterblonde2517> other random question, ive heard impressive things about the gui in compiz fusion, do you know how once this is running i would go about installing it, or is just just a point and click type thing
[21:22] <vidd> i never used it
[21:22] <vidd> but it should just be an apt-get away
[21:28] <sevendeuce> How come when I add packages using the Synaptic Package Manger, that they do not show up on my Applications Drop down?
[21:29] <sevendeuce> How come when I set Gnome Terminal as my default, only Xfce is used?
[21:29] <misterblonde2517> hmm
[21:30] <misterblonde2517> same balck screen on lead
[21:30] <misterblonde2517> load*
[21:30] <sevendeuce> Yes, that it is, but I"m trying to follow the steps to make the terminal as my background
[21:31] <vidd> strange
[21:31] <sevendeuce> I sort of got it to work, except that it won't autoload upon startup.
[21:31] <sevendeuce> the settings when I run terminal are fine, it's full screen and is my background per se.
[21:31] <vidd> sevendeuce, add it to your autostated apps
[21:31] <sevendeuce> what would the command line be?
[21:32] <vidd> idk
[21:32] <sevendeuce> user/bin ... looking now
[21:33] <misterblonde2517> wehn i try to redo the install it says "dpkg was interrupted you must manually run dpkg configure a to correct
[21:34] <vidd> so type sudo dpkg configure -a
[21:38] <vidd> any change?
[21:44] <sevendeuce> well, it's not like it's supposed to work on the instructions, but I got it to work just fine in Xubuntu now. Thanks
[21:44] <sevendeuce> nice having the terminal right there
[21:47] <misterblonde2517> i jsut ran what it told me to now im gonna retry the desktop
[21:50] <sevendeuce> Okay, how can I make a program load upon startup, and spread to all workspaces?
[21:51] <vidd> misterblonde2517, how did the reboot go?
[21:51] <misterblonde2517> ugh same problem
[21:52] <misterblonde2517> loads teh splash, (lower res this time) and freeze
[21:52] <misterblonde2517> well not really freeze it jstu stays totally black
[21:52] <misterblonde2517> could it be a bad isntall disk?
[21:52] <vidd> can you <ctrl><alt><f1>?
[21:53] <sevendeuce> once you <ctrl><alt><f1> how do you get back to X
[21:53] <sevendeuce> ?
[21:54] <sevendeuce> nevermind
[21:54] <vidd> misterblonde2517,  can you <ctrl><alt><f1>?
[21:54] <misterblonde2517> yea, no visible errors
[21:55] <vidd> type sudo /etc/gdm restate
[21:55] <vidd> type sudo /etc/gdm restart
[21:56] <misterblonde2517> when do i tpye that in
, log in, sudo /etc/gdm restart
[21:58] <misterblonde2517> how do iget to teh log in screeen it jsut goes to the splash
[21:59] <vidd> if you hit <ctrl><alt><f1> it prings up the command line
[21:59] <misterblonde2517> screen jsut stays black
[21:59] <vidd> then lets try this:
[22:00] <vidd> put in the good nic card so you have internet access
[22:00] <vidd> and re-install just the command line system again
[22:06] <vidd> let me know when you ready
[22:11] <slow-motion> schon mal guten rutsch und frohes neues jahr
[22:14] <sevendeuce> hey vidd, can you take a look at a webpage for me and tell me how to edit the script to go to all pages?
[22:14] <vidd> sure
[22:14] <sevendeuce> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-create-a-transparent-terminal-session-as-your-desktop-background.html
[22:14] <sevendeuce> it's right under the mkdir ~/.devilspie section.
[22:15] <sevendeuce> under the first two pics
[22:15] <vidd> did you install devilspie?
[22:17] <sevendeuce> I got it to work. For terminal window 1 (change the 4 to a 1 on the 4th line)
[22:18] <sevendeuce1> don't know what happened there.
[22:19] <sevendeuce1> Can someone Kick sevendeuce and me, so that I can come back in as Sevendeuce?
[22:20] <sevendeuce1> vidd - did you get that script?
[22:20] <vidd> im lookin
[22:20] <sevendeuce1> thanks
[22:22] <vidd> bring up your list of auto storted apps
[22:23] <vidd> is devilspie listed BEFORE gnometerminal?
[22:24] <sevendeuce1> yup
[22:25] <vidd> according to the guild, it should be working
[22:26] <sevendeuce1> It works, I do have it work. I want to extend it to all desktops though, not just workspace 4
[22:27] <vidd> what do you have in (set_workspace 4)?
[22:27] <sevendeuce1> right now it says (set_workspace 4)
[22:27] <sevendeuce1> I'm sorry, change the 4 to 1
[22:27] <vidd> so set it to 4
[22:28] <vidd> and if you set your pager to 6 desktops, set the number to 6
[22:29] <vidd> (set_workspace x) = # of desktops to apply
[22:29] <sevendeuce1> ah, so it doesn't coorelate to 1 workspace, but the amount of workspaces
[22:29] <vidd> if i understand it correctly
[22:31] <sevendeuce1> well, let's see, one sec
[22:34] <sevendeuce1> hmmm...now it just loads in Workspace 4
[22:35] <vidd> (set_workspace 1,2,3,4)
[22:35] <sevendeuce1> read my mind :)
[22:37] <sevendeuce1> I wonder if I make separte console profiles if it work work
[22:41] <vidd> (set_workspace not 500) is my next suggestion
[22:42] <sevendeuce1> will try that next, just added another (begin) statement
[22:43] <sevendeuce1> trying that now
[22:47] <sevendeuce1> not 500 puts it on workspace 1. That's fine I guess. I'll tinker with it more later. Thanks for you help vidd.
[22:47] <sevendeuce1> I'm gone, gotta get ready for Next Year ;)
[22:48] <vidd> does it put it on all?
[22:48] <sevendeuce1> it works on desktop 1, so it works. It just doesn't extend to all workspaces
[22:50] <misterblonde2517> vidd you here?
[22:52] <vidd> yeah
[22:52] <vidd> thepizza arrived
[22:54] <misterblonde2517> soo i re did the format
[22:54] <misterblonde2517> im at the cli now
[22:54] <misterblonde2517> the network card should be working
[22:54] <vidd> logged in?
[22:55] <misterblonde2517> mhm
[22:55] <vidd> we will test connectivity first....
[22:56] <vidd> type nslookup vidd.us
[22:56] <misterblonde2517> non authoritative answer <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:06] <vidd> ok...you have access
[23:07] <vidd> ok...we are going to open up your repos
[23:07] <vidd> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:09] <vidd> !past
[23:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about past - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:09] <vidd> !paste
[23:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:09] <misterblonde2517> kk
[23:09] <misterblonde2517> im in
[23:10] <vidd> modify it something like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50328/
[23:11] <misterblonde2517> how do i do that
[23:11] <vidd> use the arrow keys and add # or remove # to/from the beginnig of lines
[23:12] <misterblonde2517> its all blank
[23:13] <march> Happy new year :)
[23:13] <vidd> ....
[23:13] <vidd> make sure you typed it correctly
 will close it
[23:14] <misterblonde2517> yea, there is gget help write out read file prev page ect
[23:15] <vidd> hold down <ctrl> and hit <x>
[23:16] <vidd> and it will take you back to the desktop
[23:16] <vidd> well...the command line
[23:17] <misterblonde2517> k
[23:17] <vidd> make sure you type sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:17] <vidd> make sure there are no capitals
[23:19] <misterblonde2517> its
[23:19] <vidd> does it bring up something like my post?
[23:19] <misterblonde2517> file ect/apc/sources.list
[23:19] <misterblonde2517> but its just blank
[23:19] <misterblonde2517> i caan type
[23:19] <vidd> ic that
[23:20] <vidd> =] spelling counts
[23:22] <misterblonde2517> i dont undesrtand what im doing wrong it still pulls up the blank area with options at teh bottom
[23:23] <vidd> back in the command line, type cd /etc/apt
[23:24] <misterblonde2517> k
[23:24] <vidd> sudo nano so <tab>
[23:24] <vidd> the tab key should complete the words
[23:25] <misterblonde2517> so i hit sudo nnano <tab> and enter
[23:25] <misterblonde2517> brought be back to the same screen
[23:25] <misterblonde2517> says new buffer at top
[23:25] <vidd> no
[23:25] <vidd> sudo nano sources.list
[23:26] <vidd> if you hit tab as you type, it will complete the line for you
[23:26] <misterblonde2517> it beeps when i hit tab mid line
[23:27] <vidd> that means its not entered correctly
[23:27] <vidd> type ls -al
[23:27] <vidd> what is listed?
[23:29] <misterblonde2517> a bunch of stuff, anythign im looking for specifically?
[23:30] <vidd> sources.list
[23:30] <vidd> do you see it?
[23:30] <misterblonde2517> the only . anything is initrd.img
[23:30] <misterblonde2517> everything else is just 3 and 4 letter blue words
[23:31] <vidd> ok....
[23:31] <vidd> type cd /etc/apt
[23:31] <misterblonde2517> no such file or directory
[23:31] <vidd> then tell me what your prompt says
[23:31] <vidd> ??
[23:32] <vidd> cd /etc/apt
[23:32] <misterblonde2517> matt@dellbuntu:/$ cd /ect/apt
[23:32] <misterblonde2517> -bash: cd: /ect/apt: No such file or directory
[23:32] <vidd> you are twisting the letters
[23:33] <misterblonde2517> kk so now im in etc/apt$
[23:34] <vidd> now type sudo nano sources.list
[23:35] <misterblonde2517> kk
[23:35] <misterblonde2517> im in
[23:35] <misterblonde2517> waht should i change
[23:36] <vidd> add # to the line refering to the cd and remove the # refering to web sites
[23:36] <vidd> modify it something like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50328/
[23:38] <misterblonde2517> k so i uncommented 4 sites
[23:38] <vidd> ok

[23:39] <misterblonde2517> im looking for the cd tho

[23:39] <vidd> they should be near the top
[23:40] <misterblonde2517> there is already a # should there be 2
[23:40] <misterblonde2517> o nvm i got it
[23:40] <misterblonde2517> kk so im back
[23:41] <vidd> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get update
[23:42] <misterblonde2517> kk
[23:43] <vidd> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[23:43] <vidd> cross your fingers
[23:43] <vidd> pray
[23:43] <vidd> =]


[14:29] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[14:29] <sarnold> good morning
[14:29] <joalif> o/
[14:30] <cpaelzer> slyon: joalif: sarnold: jamespage: didrocks: ping for MIR meeting
[14:30] <didrocks> hey
[14:30] <slyon> o/
[14:30] <cpaelzer> no past action items to review
[14:30] <cpaelzer> (slyon the MR would be other business I think)
[14:30] <slyon> yes
[14:30] <cpaelzer> #topic current component mismatches
[14:30] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:30] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg
[14:30] <cpaelzer> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[14:31] <slyon> llvm-toolchain-13 vs z3 should be resolved by: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/z3/+bug/1971128 (but I suppose it needs to pass proposed-migration first)
[14:31] <cpaelzer> z3 is taken care in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/z3/+bug/1971128 btw
[14:31] <cpaelzer> hehe - same info :-)
[14:31] <slyon> :)
[14:32] <cpaelzer> the 5 perl bugs are in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libobject-pad-perl/+bug/1972853
[14:32] <cpaelzer> two approved - others challenged
[14:32] <cpaelzer> nothing to act on for us right now
[14:32] <cpaelzer> webrick was new last week which lucas brought  up in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-webrick/+bug/1975523
[14:32] <cpaelzer> and joalif already reviewed that one
[14:33] <cpaelzer> python-charset-normalizer is being worked on as well (no bug)
[14:33] <cpaelzer> tiff -> lerc is new to me
[14:33] <cpaelzer> jamespage: you wanted to look after jaraco IIRC - any news ?
[14:34] <cpaelzer> didrocks: tiff -> lerc sounds desktoppy, do you know what this is about?
[14:34] <didrocks> no, but I can have a look at it
[14:34] <cpaelzer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tiff/4.4.0-2
[14:34] <cpaelzer> sounds intentional
[14:35] <cpaelzer> and yes tiff is desktop
[14:35] <cpaelzer> thanks didrocks for having a look
[14:35] <didrocks> (I think people should realize that I’m doing very little pure distro work nowdays and thus, I can’t follow GNOME/desktop changes)
[14:35] <cpaelzer> that is fine, but you still know the people best
[14:35] <didrocks> yep :) will track it
[14:35] <cpaelzer> it is similar for me and server packaging TBH
[14:35] <cpaelzer> I see nothing else worth to discuss in mismatches
[14:36] <cpaelzer> at lesat nothing we need to act on
[14:36] <sarnold> hmmm, in the debian bug, "The problem is that LERC does not supports BE upstream."
[14:36] <cpaelzer> going on unless someone objects
[14:36] <cpaelzer> #topic New MIRs
[14:36] <cpaelzer> Mission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing
[14:36] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:36] <cpaelzer> none
[14:36] <cpaelzer> \o/
[14:37] <cpaelzer> we have had enough last week that I'm not complaining
[14:37] <didrocks> after last week spam, that helps :)
[14:37] <cpaelzer> btw great job by all of you for doing so many reviews quick
[14:37] <cpaelzer> #topic Incomplete bugs / questions
[14:37] <cpaelzer> Mission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams
[14:37] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:38] <cpaelzer> most recent updates are tags but nothing important
[14:38] <cpaelzer> one is different IMHO
[14:38] <cpaelzer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libldac/+bug/1973784
[14:39] <cpaelzer> this might lead to the next topic and your MR - slyon do you think this needs an PR to change the wording?
[14:39] <slyon> yes, there was some discussion wrt out "seeded-in-ubuntu" (and some question about superficial testing)
[14:39] <cpaelzer> I think I have answered them, the open question is - do we want to update the wording in the template?
[14:39] <slyon> I'm still not yet super clear about the seeded-in-ubuntu case, as what has been described in cpaelzer's comment matches the "check-mir" test IMO
[14:40] <slyon> seeded-in-ubuntu seems to be more about a change of component (universe->main) during freeze, as that would require a re-spin of installation images?
[14:40] <slyon> (at least that is according to its manpage)
[14:41] <cpaelzer> slyon: it is just one more check that would flag things that are in main
[14:41] <cpaelzer> you could iterate over dependencies of a new MIR pkg and see if they are all seeded
[14:41] <cpaelzer> some people (not me) preferred that way
[14:42] <cpaelzer> which is how the statement got in
[14:42] <slyon> aha! now I get it
[14:42] <slyon> yes we should improve the wording
[14:42] <cpaelzer> this list is "use either of these or any else if you like"
[14:42] <cpaelzer> how about going to the next section then, while we talk about wording
[14:42] <slyon> yes
[14:43] <cpaelzer> first security
[14:43] <cpaelzer> #topic MIR related Security Review Queue
[14:43] <cpaelzer> Mission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?
[14:43] <cpaelzer> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:43] <cpaelzer> sarnold: how does the cycle look, we are starting to pile up a queue again
[14:43] <cpaelzer> sarnold: is this time progress expected sooner than FeatureFreeze :-)
[14:44] <sarnold> I didn't make progress last week, I was on cve triage; and yesterday was a national holiday :) -- so no real 'local' progress to report
[14:44] <sarnold> cpaelzer: very much so :)
[14:44] <cpaelzer> anyone but you on those reviews ?
[14:44] <sarnold> amurray did one last week, but I don't think there's currently anyone else working a mir
[14:44] <sarnold> we've got a team meeting today, I'll fish around for more volunteers :)
[14:45] <cpaelzer> instead of exploding late, could you ask for anyone else to assist you in this phase of the cycle please?
[14:45] <sarnold> yup
[14:45] <cpaelzer> thanks
[14:45] <cpaelzer> WFM
[14:45] <cpaelzer> #topic Any other business?
[14:45] <cpaelzer> we have 1.5 topics here
[14:45] <cpaelzer> first the discussion from above
[14:46] <cpaelzer> which we haven't a PR yet, slyon do you want to prep a PR matching your newfound understanding until next week?
[14:46] <slyon> Now that I got it, I can prepare a proposal to change the wording on this one
[14:46] <cpaelzer> or should we try to come up with wording right here right now?
[14:46] <cpaelzer> ok, we are not in a hurry - looking forward to that PR then
[14:46] <slyon> I'll do it for next meeting
[14:46] <cpaelzer> but for today we have
[14:46] <cpaelzer> https://github.com/cpaelzer/ubuntu-mir/pull/10/files
[14:46] <cpaelzer> This is (I guess) inspired by a forgotten update-maintainer
[14:47] <slyon> This one ^ came up in a discussion with seb this morning. I think it makes sense to have it as a MIR check, too. It is already enforced (in most cases) by dpkg
[14:47] <didrocks> unsure if this will really help in practice TBH, but could still be added
[14:47] <cpaelzer> To me I think this is a fine change, it should almost never be a real problem. But it would be a potential legal issue if it is forgotten
[14:47] <didrocks> There are a lot of examples of sync, then adding a change, then sync, and so on
[14:47] <didrocks> and people who don’t use their @ubuntu.com or @canonical.com won’t have the warning when building the source package
[14:47] <cpaelzer> buildpkg already warns people
[14:48] <cpaelzer> but I think it does not consume any more time (we look at d/control anyway)
[14:48] <cpaelzer> and therefore should be fine to add
[14:48] <didrocks> yeah, I just wanted to state that I’m unsure how effective this will be in practice, but I have nothing against it
[14:48] <slyon> didrocks: yes, this was the case for seb, too. Therefore, we thought it would make sense to add it to the MIR template
[14:48] <cpaelzer> I agree to didrocks that I'm unsure if it would help
[14:48] <didrocks> I think people should use their @ubuntu/canonical when preparing a package for ubuntu
[14:48] <slyon> it doesn't need to be a blocking change for MIR. but we try to keep packages in main in good shape
[14:48] <sarnold> do we have any tooling to enforce / notice when version numbers don't clearly indicate a delta from debian?
[14:49] <cpaelzer> I'm tempted to suggest "only add the reporter rule, but not the MIR review statement"
[14:49] <slyon> WFM
[14:49] <cpaelzer> there (at the reporter) is where this could have a benefit by re-assuring the awareness for this
[14:49] <didrocks> wfm as well
[14:49] <sarnold> the recent 'maysync' discussion makes me wonder how often, if ever, someone accidentally uploads a package with a delta that isn't visible by version string alone
[14:50] <cpaelzer> on the review stage it won't help much - as didrocks said there are sync/upload/sync/upload casess and mcuh more where the one time of the review won't help much
[14:50] <sarnold> (I'm mentioning it here mainly because 'discovering if there is a delta' to me means going to the patches.ubuntu.com website..)
[14:50] <slyon> sarnold: it's less about the version string, than about the "Maintainer" field in d/control.
[14:50] <cpaelzer> TL;DR: about what update-maintainers does
[14:51] <didrocks> sarnold: IIRC, the "no warning" for non ubuntu emails was for 2 cases: per package upload rights in the archive and native from upstream
[14:51] <cpaelzer> It seems we have no strong objections, but also not much trust in the benefit. Can we vote on my suggestion of only adding the reporter section of the PR please ?
[14:51] <cpaelzer> +1 (obviously)
[14:51] <slyon> +1
[14:51] <didrocks> +1
[14:52] <sarnold> is that the first hunk or second hunk? :)
[14:52] <slyon> first
[14:52] <cpaelzer> first
[14:52] <sarnold> +1  :) thanks
[14:52] <cpaelzer> we already have reached qorum but joalif?
[14:53] <cpaelzer> and jamespage
[14:53] <cpaelzer> giving you 30 more sec to object :-)
[14:53] <joalif> sorry I'm at other mtg at same time
[14:53] <slyon> is anybody still signed-in to wiki.ubuntu.com and could update that hunk? Otherwise I guess we're blocked on IS to fix the wiki
[14:53]  * didrocks tries
[14:53] <joalif> +1
[14:53] <cpaelzer> I can slyon
[14:54] <didrocks> not signed in, keep your token close to you cpaelzer :)
[14:54] <sarnold> lol
[14:54] <cpaelzer> I was going through that pain two weeks ago
[14:54] <cpaelzer> that is how I have a fresh and shiny token
[14:54] <slyon> cpaelzer: do you want me to update the MR or will you just copy paste the first hunk only?
[14:54] <didrocks> haha
[14:55] <cpaelzer> I have merged the MR (the git isn#t totally in sync anyway)
[14:55] <cpaelzer> and updated the wiki
[14:55] <slyon> thanks
[14:55] <cpaelzer> I'll update git now after the meeting
[14:55] <cpaelzer> for you to rebase next weeks change
[14:55] <slyon> k
[14:55] <cpaelzer> and that seems to wrap up today meeting
[14:55] <didrocks> I have a topic to bring
[14:55] <didrocks> sorry if you wanted to leave early :p
[14:55] <cpaelzer> any last thing we forgot
[14:55] <cpaelzer> ah
[14:55] <didrocks> about libsoup3
[14:55] <cpaelzer> no didrocks, please go
[14:55] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsoup3/+bug/1972153/comments/5
[14:55] <didrocks> so, it’s a soname bump
[14:56] <didrocks> but a security sensitive lib, obviously
[14:56] <didrocks> I don’t think we should plan on GNOME updating all dependencies in one release
[14:56] <didrocks> and head for the worst scenario
[14:56] <didrocks> (one or two releases with both v2 and v3)
[14:56] <sarnold> getting as much done in lts+1 seems like a good idea
[14:56] <didrocks> unsure how security is feeling about it?
[14:56] <didrocks> doubling your pain, basically for a couple of ubuntu releases :p
[14:56] <sarnold> but I am concerned about The Project losing steam before the next LTS and leaving us with too many webkits
[14:56] <cpaelzer> we have had prior cases where alternatives were kept around for a bit
[14:57] <cpaelzer> would never be ok to go into an LTS
[14:57] <didrocks> yeah, it seems we have time ahead of us
[14:57] <cpaelzer> the question is how sure we are that it will be gone in 23.04 then?
[14:57] <didrocks> but unsure how much this can sleep away
[14:57] <didrocks> and how could we track that before LTS
[14:57] <didrocks> exactly
[14:58] <didrocks> so… I wanted to gather other opinions, in particular from sarnold :)
[14:59] <cpaelzer> slyon: git updated
[14:59] <slyon> thank you
[14:59] <sarnold> I'm fine with a bit of duplication early in the overall lts cycle, but the consequences of not finishing the transition before the next lts does make me wonder how exactly we'd back out of the situation -- demote the 'old' packages? demote the 'new' packages? hustle and finish it?
[14:59] <sarnold> .. be clear at roadmap sprints that Brand New Features can't be added until our old unloved features are removed? :)
[15:00] <didrocks> that would be great :)
[15:00] <sarnold> I really hope the optimistic view prevails
[15:00] <didrocks> yeah, I think we are really early in the LTS meta-cycles
[15:00] <sarnold> but the job is all about pessimism, isn't it? :)
[15:00] <didrocks> so I’m hopeful
[15:00] <sarnold> thanks for raising it and getting started on it early
[15:00] <didrocks> but we don’t have a good way of tracking this
[15:00] <didrocks> so, let’s +1 for now with the concerns written down in the MIR
[15:01] <didrocks> ensuring this is tracked somewhere for the desktop team
[15:01] <didrocks> sounds good to you?
[15:01] <sarnold> perhaps a cronjob on your local machine that runs apt purge oldwebkitpackage  ? :) every week an email of what's left..
[15:01] <sarnold> yeah that works well for me, thanks
[15:01] <didrocks> we can upload a package that does it before next LTS :p
[15:02] <didrocks> thanks for the feedback!
[15:02] <didrocks> I’ll sum that up/copy the verbatim on the bug
[15:02] <sarnold> ah great, thanks
[15:02] <didrocks> (that’s it from me)
[15:03] <sarnold> nothing from me
[15:03] <slyon> nothing here
[15:03] <joalif> nothing
[15:06] <cpaelzer> ok
[15:06] <cpaelzer> closing
[15:06] <cpaelzer> thanks
[15:06] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[15:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:06:57 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-05-31-14.29.moin.txt
[15:07] <sarnold> thanks cpaelzer, all :)
[15:08] <joalif> thanks all o/
[15:08] <slyon> o/
[15:09] <didrocks> thanks!
[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:01]  * vorlon waves
[19:01] <rbasak> Lukasz sent his apologies
[19:02] <rbasak> I don't see cyphermox here
[19:02] <rbasak> So it's just us I guess?
[19:02] <rbasak> I have two tasks to carry over
[19:02] <rbasak> I don't see anything else on the agenda apart from the regular items
[19:02] <vorlon> yeah looks like it - so I'd say we're inquorate and can chat informally if you want
[19:03] <rbasak> Yep
[19:03] <rbasak> Is there anything to discuss here?
[19:03] <vorlon> I have an email draft in progress replying to your private thread fwiw
[19:03] <rbasak> Thanks!
[19:03] <vorlon> hoped to have it sent before the meeting; I'll get it done in the next half hour regardless
[19:04] <rbasak> That's the only thing I'm waiting on I think.
[19:04] <rbasak> So let's use the time for that :)
[19:05] <vorlon> ack