[04:59] <randabis> linux not easy to maintain...I dunno about that
[04:59] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  how much will it cost $large_company when their apache is taken over for one week by script kiddies?
[04:59] <viper12> absolute brain fart over here.......when pressing 'prtscr' to capture image........does it go to 'clipboard' or get saved somewhere?
[04:59] <paulproteus> marcin_ant: The Linux servers I admin are very easy to maintain.  But we'll have that flamewar somewhere else, I suppose.
[04:59] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  you are cheap, if your services cost them less than that amount :)
[05:00] <paulproteus> SELinux makes the Fedora ones' Apache much more secure.
[05:00] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: believe me that companies doesn't work in this way
[05:00] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: they of course know how much it will cost
[05:01] <Amaranth> paulproteus: I bet the Apache that comes with OpenBSD is even more secure. ;)
[05:01] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: but they won't pay you more than "standard"
[05:01] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  actually, $large_company alrady knows that and hires their staff internally for that.  it's $medium_company or $small_company that is hard to convince of the fact that you can be of value to them, and that they have a real need
[05:01] <paulproteus> Amaranth: Actually, SELinux really makes the CGIs secure.  Apache's always been fine.
[05:01] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: just standard for an hour
[05:02] <Amaranth> paulproteus: The one in OpenBSD runs in a jail, iirc.
[05:02] <hybrid> nomasteryoda com in ubuntu-offtopic
[05:03] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: you are from usa?
[05:03] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  yes
[05:03] <paulproteus> ben_: Nice reverse DNS!  I use rochester.res.rr.com when I'm at home, too.  Right now I'm at college.
[05:04] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  though i should mention that not all areas here are as you would imagine
[05:04] <rick__> Is this a good place to ask for help with my wireless on Ubuntu?
[05:04] <tjs> whats the command to re-run the first-time setup/install thingo?
[05:04] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: than simple question how much money can sysadmin get for his job - for example average ??? $/hour?
[05:05] <paulproteus> rick__: Sure, but you better ask.
[05:05] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  in the past five years i've lived in two different places that still to this day can not acheive better than 21.6k dialup connectivity, no broadband ever there
[05:05] <paulproteus> If you don't ask, no one'll answer you.
[05:05] <rick__> :)
[05:05] <snowblink> tjs: base-config?
[05:05] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  in that town, i don't think a sysadmin could make very much per hour than someone serving ice cream cones, heh
[05:06] <tjs> snowblink, thats it! thanks :)
[05:06] <tjs> total mind blank there for a sec
[05:06] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: :)
[05:06] <rick__> I'm trying to figure out the steps necessary to support my Airvast Prism3 USB wireless
[05:06] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  in other towns of course, drastically more
[05:06] <poningru> anyone have a noob friendly tutorial on iptables?
[05:06] <poningru> wanna set one up since I just set up java
[05:06] <paulproteus> poningru: I usually just use FIAIF for my firewawll set up.
[05:07] <poningru> just using a single laptop
[05:07] <poningru> fiaf?
[05:07] <paulproteus> fiaif.net is the web page for it.
[05:07] <poningru> thnx will look into it
[05:08] <paulproteus> Okay. :)
[05:08] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: ok then what about a city with population 600 000 ?
[05:08] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: (and we have broadband here ;) )
[05:09] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  lol
[05:09] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  sadly, i'm not the one to ask about numbers, and i don't really know how large a certain population number is
[05:09] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: (but... we pay for this much more than you do in usa :( )
[05:10] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: just an example
[05:11] <eyequeue> very broad range though, over 20k, under 50k
[05:11] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: from.... to..... or something
[05:11] <snowblink> poningru: firestarter
[05:11] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: ok - let's say 25 000/year...
[05:12] <eyequeue> much would depend on previous experience, and how badly the company is in need (and how much you're responsible for, including undoing the disaster your predecessor left you)
[05:12] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: hmmmmm not much really....
[05:12] <poningru> snowblink: isnt that the gui based firewall?
[05:12] <snowblink> poningru: yup
[05:12] <poningru> I am really trying to get away from gui's and into cli's
[05:12] <farruinn> poningru: no, it's a gui configurator for iptables
[05:13] <snowblink> poningru: fair nuf
[05:13] <randabis> use shorewall then
[05:13] <mebaran151> I need to learn some better programming skills
[05:13] <poningru> see I want to learn this stuff while using it
[05:13] <Xenguy> poningru: yeah, shorewall is nice
[05:13] <Xenguy> poningru: good documentation also
[05:13] <eyequeue> poningru:  you're already aware of netfilter,org, right?
[05:13] <poningru> no
[05:14] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: but it's still about 2x than in my country...
[05:14] <eyequeue> poningru:  they're where iptables comes from, heh
[05:14] <poningru> oh hehe
[05:14] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: and you said to 50k which is 4x more
[05:15] <paulproteus> mebaran151: If you're learning programming, I strongly suggest starting with Python.
[05:15] <mebaran151> heheh
[05:15] <paulproteus> (And then learning other languages, but always using Python when you can.)
[05:15] <mebaran151> I might
[05:15] <poningru> that helps a lot
[05:15] <mebaran151> python is a language my friend swears by
[05:15] <farruinn> there's a good book called "thinking like a computer scientist" that teaches python
[05:15] <randabis> ruby is good too
[05:15] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  right .. also, 1k in that town may pay rent for half a year or more, but only pay for half a month or less in ny city, as one example
[05:16] <mebaran151> I knew Lisp for awhile
[05:16] <mebaran151> but I never could find a reason to use it
[05:16] <mebaran151> it was a tad cumbersome
[05:16] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: well about prices - we have strange differences
[05:16] <mebaran151> python I heard is phenomenal
[05:16] <mebaran151> like ruby
[05:16] <mebaran151> but python has larger support it seems
[05:16] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  and that's all in the same country, numbers are just so relative
[05:16] <snowblink> mebaran151: emacs, and functional helps you think in different ways
[05:16] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: rent is much much cheaper than in your country (I think)
[05:17] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: while we pay more for things like broadband, phones, gas etc.
[05:17] <snowblink> mebaran151: ruby feels nice when you're coding it
[05:18] <eyequeue> paulproteus:  i'm not disagreeing, just looking for one reason, heh.  why python to start with?
[05:19] <farruinn> my two cents: it's object oriented and has very clean syntax
[05:19] <duckdown> paulproteus: now that its done, i just dpkg -i the .deb in /usr/src ? nothing else to initrd?
[05:19] <marcin_ant> paulproteus: what tools could you suggest for python? (editor, ide  etc ? )
[05:19] <steveO_laptop> ok how to I get into root? Did I miss something didnt ask me to make the pass word
[05:19] <farruinn> steveO_laptop: you did miss something.  use sudo [command]  or sudo -s for a shell
[05:19] <eyequeue> i hear ubuntu devs tend to be rather python-centric as a group
[05:20] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  welcome back :)  you didn't miss it, ubuntu doesn't enable root by default :)
[05:20] <steveO_laptop> k what about config. mouse? mine is not working
[05:20] <jdub> steveO_laptop: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[05:20] <steveO_laptop> ok
[05:20] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop: basically it's advisible to avoid enabling root, using sudo instead.  the url you were given can be used if you choose though
[05:21] <jdub> the url explains it too, dude
[05:21] <farruinn> heheh, jdub said dude, heheh
[05:21] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  your primary non-root user can do "sudo command-to-run-as-root" though, which is the "ubuntu style" typically
[05:21] <mebaran151> what IDE's are recommendable for python
[05:21] <mebaran151> if you were just going to begin your python journey
[05:22] <mebaran151> into the great python wilderness
[05:22] <farruinn> mebaran151: vim ;)
[05:22] <mebaran151> what wyoud you start with (that happens to be free)
[05:22] <mebaran151> farruinn, I am scared of vim
[05:22] <mebaran151> seriously
[05:22] <mebaran151> that thing doesnt make sense
[05:22] <Lisztman> eyeqeue: hey, speaking of sudo.... im having trouble moving files from my home file to another in my usr/src folder
[05:22] <crimsun> mebaran151: ipython
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: it makes lots of sense
[05:22] <mebaran151> I am not geeky enough for it
[05:22] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  emacs? (j/k)
[05:22] <Pluk> mebaran151, try nano
[05:22] <mebaran151> emacs is ok
[05:22] <Lisztman> im now sure if you could help though
[05:22] <mebaran151> I tried it
[05:22] <Lisztman> not*
[05:22] <crimsun> mebaran151: I'm fairly certain Eclipse has python plugins, too
[05:22] <farruinn> mebaran151: vimtutor is helpful
[05:23] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB, vim is scary for a newbie
[05:23] <mebaran151> you have to admit
[05:23] <mebaran151> I use nano
[05:23] <Pluk> ah k :)
[05:23] <mebaran151> I woudl like syntax highlighting like I get for HTML
[05:23] <MobyTurbo> mebaran151, emacs has python support
[05:23] <mebaran151> I never liked emacs
[05:23] <mebaran151> I dont know why
[05:23] <farruinn> Lisztman: what exactly is your problem?
[05:23] <mebaran151> anything like kdevelop
[05:23] <mebaran151> you know
[05:23] <MobyTurbo> mebaran151, IDLE is an IDE for python
[05:23] <mebaran151> cool
[05:23] <Lisztman> i am trying to install drivers for my audigy ls sound card, and i am very new to linux
[05:23] <mebaran151> let me dll it
[05:24] <mebaran151> Lisztman, youd ont need too normally
[05:24] <mebaran151> they come std
[05:24] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  5-30 minutes with vimtutor at some point over the next month, and you'll be amazed how fast that fear goes, for future reference.  for now, use nano since you are comfortable there
[05:24] <mebaran151> nano just seems basic though
[05:24] <Lisztman> i have the alsa files
[05:24] <MobyTurbo> mebaran151, I've seen "drpython" too, if it's anything like drscheme it's probably excellent
[05:25] <Lisztman> but the website suggests that i move those to a usr/src/alsa folder
[05:25] <poningru> how can a complex firewall be stateless? unless I am just not understanding stateless and stateful
[05:25] <crimsun> mebaran151: he will need to install them if he's using Warty, since the version of ALSA there doesn't support the Audigy LS.
[05:26] <poningru> stateless is just drop all packages or accept all packages right?
[05:26] <Lisztman> yeah
[05:26] <crimsun> Lisztman: /j #alsa, I'll walk you through it.
[05:26] <Lisztman> ?
[05:26] <crimsun> /join #alsa
[05:26] <Lisztman> <_<    >_>   ... ok
[05:26] <poningru> anyone?
[05:27] <steveO_laptop> ubuntu not liking my KV switch lol
[05:28] <delltony_> anyone have issues with xchat and the ports on the router? more specific i added 2000-2009 to the router and i did a nmap on it and the ports are open but xchat will not allow me to dcc
[05:28] <mebaran151> I just tried vimtutor
[05:28] <mebaran151> I can see why it is good for editing stuff
[05:28] <mebaran151> you can quickly go in and out of being able to write and not
[05:28] <mebaran151> very sexy
[05:29] <mebaran151> but what I dont get
[05:29] <mebaran151> I wish they could have used
[05:29] <mebaran151> wasd for the  moving around
[05:29] <mebaran151> it makes so much sense
[05:29] <mebaran151> and I am very keen with it
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: wasd wasn't a meme when vi was written
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> in the dark ages
[05:31] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:31] <mebaran151> I know
[05:31] <mebaran151> vi is so old
[05:31] <mebaran151> but it would be nice to be able to set that
[05:32] <mebaran151> I would be so quick with it
[05:32] <mebaran151> VI is very cool now that I actually can use it
[05:32] <mebaran151> I can see how they did it
[05:32] <mebaran151> before such things as mice
[05:32] <mebaran151> so that you could do some quick scrolling
[05:32] <farruinn> you just need practice with jklh
[05:32] <mebaran151> add something quick
[05:32] <mebaran151> and be careful
[05:33] <shad0w1e> why the hell wont my goddamn ati drivers work ???
[05:33] <shad0w1e> GODDAMMMIT
[05:33] <crimsun> err, language, please.
[05:33] <poningru> vesa
[05:33] <shad0w1e> how do i look at my log file?
[05:33] <poningru> is your friend
[05:33] <shad0w1e> where is it
[05:33] <shad0w1e> the X log file
[05:34] <crimsun> warty or hoary?
[05:34] <shad0w1e> warty
[05:34] <crimsun> /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[05:34] <shad0w1e> thanks!
[05:34] <felipe> When I ask a cd, which release comes?
[05:34] <mebaran151> vesa
[05:34] <mebaran151> oh how I love you
[05:34] <mebaran151> for you allow me to use my shiny toys
[05:35] <mebaran151> in the most basic of ways
[05:35] <mebaran151> but at least they do work such
[05:35] <mebaran151> and without time that pays
[05:35] <gedeon> what's xfree86
[05:35] <mebaran151> ---^ a little poem in honor Vesa
[05:35] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i don't know how myself, but i'll bet :map can be used to redefine your cursor movement keys
[05:36] <Amaranth> http://osnews.com/img/linspire7large.jpg <--there is no way this isn't windows
[05:36] <mebaran151> xfree86 puts pretty pictures on your screen
[05:36] <mebaran151> eyequeue
[05:36] <mebaran151> I will make that my first project
[05:36] <mebaran151> write a small python script that changes the defaults of vim
[05:36] <mebaran151> to make it use wasd
[05:36] <randabis-laptop> felipe, Warty will come currently...orders haven't opened for hoary yet I don't think
[05:36] <mebaran151> probably cant be THAT hard
[05:36] <mebaran151> (watch me fail)
[05:37] <felipe> randabis-laptop thats sad
[05:37] <farruinn> felipe: orders placed after the end of february will be hoary
[05:37] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  ~/.vimrc or /etc/vim/vimrc for your changes :)
[05:37] <randabis-laptop> felipe, why is it sad?
[05:37] <farruinn> says so right on www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:37] <felipe> which one is "unstable"
[05:38] <randabis-laptop> hoary...until april
[05:38] <eyequeue> felipe:  though not exactly that, you'd be looking for "hoary" it's the development version
[05:38] <farruinn> felipe: you won't be shipped a devel release
[05:38] <felipe> I c
[05:39] <felipe> then I probably will get warty
[05:40] <randabis-laptop> I'm going to wait until the end of february and order my hoary cds :p
[05:40] <eyequeue> randabis:  ditto
[05:41] <eyequeue> randabis:  i want at least one "pretty" set to pull out in front of others, not an obviously self-burned set
[05:41] <shad0w1e> what does DRI initialization failed! mean...
[05:41] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[05:42] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  i believe it's part of X, in some manner, if that helps
[05:43] <mebaran151> I have to thank whoever sent me to vimtutor
[05:43] <mebaran151> it actually made the blasted thing make sense
[05:43] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  direct rendering i-something (infrastructure?) and that's the limit of my knowledge
[05:43] <farruinn> shad0w1e: maybe comment that module out in your x config file
[05:43] <mebaran151> I always thought all the UNIX admins I knew where just nutty
[05:43] <mebaran151> were
[05:43] <mebaran151> sorry
[05:43] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  heh, cool, glad the fear is gone :)
[05:43] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:43] <mebaran151> no more tears
[05:44] <shad0w1e> well actually I'm using the ubuntu configuration file
[05:44] <shad0w1e> not the fglrx one
[05:44] <mebaran151> or maybe I am just a tad crazier
[05:44] <felipe> Someone said hoary is like sarge from debian, which is my actual distro
[05:44] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  btw, though you won't always find the full vim, you'll almost always find some "vi" on most unices, so it's handly to have the basics down
[05:44] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:45] <neighborlee> hey peeps is the livecd installer working ?
[05:45] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  vim (which i use all the time, don't get me wrong) is bloat-city compared to the minimal vi you'll find installed almost everywhere
[05:45] <neighborlee> asking cause i'm going to refer a non-saavy linux friend to install ubuntu but i'm not sure he's up to the regular installer LOL..( windows convert hahah)
[05:45] <mebaran151> haha
[05:45] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  the livecd doesn't have an installer, you have to use the "other" cd image to install from
[05:45] <mebaran151> and I thought vim was a tad poor
[05:46] <mebaran151> but I dont think it is really for me
[05:46] <neighborlee> eyequeue, yup just wondering....
[05:46] <mebaran151> I get it now
[05:46] <neighborlee> eyequeue, any idea of time frame for livecd installer ?
[05:46] <viper12> neighbor....I used the array4 hoary live (latest, I believe)......and it worked perfectly on a compaq x1000 laptop, so yea, its working.
[05:46] <mebaran151> but I dont think it is my cup of tea
[05:46] <mebaran151> it certainly is better than nano
[05:46] <viper12> but the installer........oh duh........no install yet.
[05:46] <|QuaD|> lets see how slow it is :)
[05:47] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  there's really a simple explanation, though it's a common request.  there's only so much space on a cd, and the livecd is so full of unpacked handy utilities there's no room on it for things like .deb archives of everything
[05:47] <mebaran151> hey anybody here know some integral calculus
[05:47] <mebaran151> not really an ubuntu question
[05:47] <mebaran151> but you never know
[05:48] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  i'd say you can easily accomplish a basic ubuntu installation, even your first time, in well-under an hour
[05:48] <neighborlee> eyequeue, i'm fully aware of this but if other distros can do this I can't accept that we can't ;-))
[05:48] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: i have taken it
[05:48] <mebaran151> hehe
[05:48] <viper12> I read that a live 'installer' is in the works.
[05:48] <mebaran151> simple question
[05:48] <SiRrUs> good evening people
[05:48] <mebaran151> I need to do the improper integral
[05:49] <neighborlee> eyequeue, well if he has an 'extra' HD for linux then it should be a piece of cake yes..if not shrug I fear to recommend it to him...( he wont be happy about command line)...you know the drill
[05:49] <mebaran151> of x^-1.001 from 1 to infintie
[05:49] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  nod
[05:49] <mebaran151> I know that I can easily just antiderive it
[05:49] <mebaran151> to integrate it
[05:49] <farruinn> mebaran151: sounds like a question for #ubuntuforums, that's very ot here
[05:49] <mebaran151> but
[05:49] <viper12> methinks mebaran needs to ease off the caffeine.  ;)
[05:49] <mebaran151> haha
[05:49] <mebaran151> no
[05:50] <mebaran151> just getting some stuff done
[05:50] <neighborlee> eyequeue, I may risk walking him through it and see...I mean we need another convert what da heck <G>
[05:50] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  always, heh
[05:50] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  is he remote from you, or local?
[05:50] <viper12> neighbor........if it (hoary) can install to a laptop with integrated wifi and such..........it oughta be a snap.  (just check the sound card brand and netcard first. )
[05:51] <neighborlee> eyequeue, remote....
[05:51] <Dreamer3> anyone want to burn me a hoary cd and mail? :)
[05:51] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  you're aware it would be outdated before it reached you?
[05:51] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: *laughs*
[05:51] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: it'd be outdated before i could download it on dial-up :)
[05:52] <viper12> hell......YOU"D be outdated before it finishes on dialup.  lmao
[05:52] <eyequeue> can i play linux-oldtimer for a sec? :)
[05:53] <eyequeue> i do remember d/ling all of the floppy sets, each letter, for slackware, so i'd have the whole thing, and this was over 1200 baud dialup
[05:53] <Dreamer3> viper12: i downloaded warty on dialup :) only 50 or so horus
[05:54] <Dreamer3> viper12: very pleased with how it's gone :)
[05:54] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: lol
[05:54] <viper12> only 50 hours.  yuck....but hey, 50 is bettern' never, right?
[05:54] <eyequeue> so i'm always a bit amused at the impatience, but i also know i don't have the patience myself either, being spoiled with adsl now
[05:54] <farruinn> I found that when I was at home on dialup I used the computer less
[05:54] <Dreamer3> viper12: yes, definatley
[05:55] <eyequeue> it did take over 24 hours to bittorent a linux cd recently though, kanotix, iirc
[05:55] <eyequeue> so adsl isn't always much help
[05:55] <viper12> ouch.  my bit grab of the hoary release took about 15 minutes. :)
[05:55] <felipe> cu later folks
[05:55] <eyequeue> it's a nice distro, but i'm definitely more pleased with ubuntu as my final choice
[05:56] <mebaran151> in vim, is there anything faster than escape to exit a mode
[05:56] <mebaran151> I seem to find it not very fast to have to go all the way up esc
[05:57] <mebaran151> nothing like :x or something
[05:57] <eyequeue> i was told it was the "only" livecd that would support my wireless though, and ironically, i find ubuntu handled it painlessly :)
[05:58] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i think esc is the primary mohttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/paidsupportde change method, i don't know of any other, but definitely do tell me if you find one
[05:58] <eyequeue> wtf?
[05:58] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i think esc is the primary mode change method, i don't know of any other, but definitely do tell me if you find one
[05:58] <mebaran151> hehe
[05:58] <mebaran151> I will look
[05:58] <mebaran151> also
[05:58] <mebaran151> anyone here know about a livecd that uses like XFCE
[05:58] <mebaran151> and can easily be installed
[05:59] <eyequeue> i think i want to blame gpm for that, but i'm in x, so i don't know
[05:59] <mebaran151> I have a whole bunch of friends on less than stellar boxes
[05:59] <mebaran151> and they would like to try linux
[05:59] <mebaran151> I gave them ubuntu
[05:59] <mebaran151> but it was a tad heavy
[05:59] <mebaran151> anything based on debian
[05:59] <mebaran151> easy to install off the livecd
[05:59] <mebaran151> that sort of thing
[06:00] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i think i'm going to end up paying the price for getting one hooked on ubuntu on a box like that
[06:01] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i even installed to disk after she'd seen the livecd and consented, and now i think i'm going to have to pay for old/rare ram :/
[06:02] <Underlord> how can i gain access to /bin/su? it allways has an auth failure when i try to become root but sudo works fine, this also applies to attemoting to login as root from one of the terminal screens (ie, by pressing ctrl+alt+f1)
[06:02] <calamari> next step is to figure out how pam works
[06:02] <eyequeue> Underlord:  have you set a password for root? there is not one by default
[06:02] <calamari> underlord: sudo su, or sudo -s (as you noticed :)
[06:03] <Underlord> i have a password for root, this is installed, not live
[06:03] <Underlord> oh wow
[06:03] <Underlord> ok, forget that, running passwd through sudo fixed it
[06:04] <eyequeue> Underlord:  su seems to work appropriately here, on warty
[06:04] <Underlord> i thought the installer asked me for a root password :\
[06:04] <Underlord> thanks
[06:04] <eyequeue> Underlord:  no, that's a feature of ubuntu, the lack of root account being enabled with a password
[06:05] <eyequeue> has anyone played much with casper?
[06:05] <delltony_> anyone besides me have issues sending files with xchat?
[06:06] <Underlord> why would you want no root account?
[06:06] <eyequeue> Underlord:  a security thing
[06:06] <SiRrUs> delltony_ it could be thre are no open ports
[06:06] <Underlord> ooh
[06:06] <eyequeue> Underlord:  is there much you need to do as root you can't accomplish with sudo?
[06:06] <Dreamer3> Underlord: takes some getting used it :)
[06:06] <randabis> because sudo > su
[06:06] <delltony_> well thats my thinking but i added forwarding for 2000 to 20009
[06:07] <Dreamer3> old habits die hard
[06:07] <farruinn> Underlord: read www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:07] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  i think i'd sudo -s, less keystrokes :)
[06:07] <delltony_> but for some reason i still can't dcc it never acks
[06:07] <Underlord> well kdesu and gksu seem to use su instead of sudo
[06:08] <Underlord> so it was getting on my nerves opening terminals to launch things
[06:08] <randabis> gksu can also do gksudo
[06:08] <farruinn> Underlord: alt-F2 will allow you to skip opening a terminal
[06:08] <eyequeue> Underlord:  yep, want the fix for that?  change all occurances of gksu in launchers and the like to read gksudo :)
[06:09] <Underlord> well, no thanks, im more of a kde guy myself
[06:09] <randabis> blah
[06:09] <Underlord> having a root account works just fine
[06:09] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: ah
[06:09] <eyequeue> Underlord:  and a plus for that is, if you've been asked your user password in the past five minutes (by default) by gksudo, you aren't pestered again :)
[06:09] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: didn't know that :)
[06:09] <randabis> yeah sudo has a timeout period
[06:10] <randabis> I believe it is adjustable
[06:10] <randabis> I use sudo in gentoo as well :)
[06:10] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  yeah, i'm big on poking at things, and i really did want to try to comply with "ubuntu methods" for at least long enough to give them a fair try
[06:10] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: *nods*
[06:10] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: that's why i haven't prelinked yet, and thinking i might not get around to ti
[06:11] <Underlord> or i could just play pretend windows and have no password for sudo at all
[06:11] <randabis> watching openoffice.org compile is insane
[06:11] <|QuaD|> randabis: 1.1 or 2?
[06:11] <randabis> Underlord: I don't recommend that :/
[06:11] <randabis> 1.1.4
[06:11] <Underlord> i have a habbit of making good distro's turn bad over time doing things like that
[06:11] <randabis> I don't think 1.9x is in portage yet
[06:11] <|QuaD|> randabis: i just like the 2.0 intro picture thingy
[06:11] <Dreamer3> regeya: i heard it's not officilaly recommended
[06:11] <regeya> oh jesus
[06:12] <eyequeue> randabis:  adjustable yes, and it's timestamp_timeout in sudoers(5) rather than passwd_timeout, which means something else, beware, heh
[06:12] <SiRrUs> hey regeya is back
[06:12] <randabis> yeah
[06:12] <regeya> if I read one more "not officially recommended" I'm installing FreeBSD. ;-)
[06:12] <randabis> haha
[06:12] <regeya> howdy SiRrUs
[06:12] <farruinn> it's not officially recommended by the Ubuntu team to install FreeBSD - Ubuntu rocks
[06:12] <eyequeue> regeya:  *bsd is not officially recommended, lol
[06:13] <regeya> hee
[06:13] <randabis> FreeBSD is solid
[06:13] <farruinn> regeya: whatcha gonna do now, huh?!
[06:13] <eyequeue> farruinn:  ^5
[06:13] <SiRrUs> missed all of your complaining ;)
[06:13] <randabis> and ports is a great system
[06:13] <regeya> I'm gonna wave my working prelinked system around, so nyeah
[06:13] <randabis> I prelink and use LDFLAGS :p
[06:14] <eyequeue> i do support freebsd at times too, but definitely prefer ubuntu for most things these days (and prefer the gpl to the bsd license, but see a place for each)
[06:14] <regeya> there's one thing I miss about gentoo; very little falls under the "officially supported" category so it's a lot harder to cheese off a dev. ;-)
[06:15] <eyequeue> oh, here's one area i definitely don't follow the "ubuntu way" when it comes to not enabling a root password
[06:15] <regeya> OTOH, my system was 99.9% the way I wanted it when I installed ubuntu, so I really can't complain.
[06:15] <randabis> regeya: haha I use ~x86 though :p
[06:15] <regeya> other than upgrading several things...meh.
[06:15] <eyequeue> i've installed sashroot user 0, with /bin/sash as shell
[06:16] <randabis> haha
[06:16] <eyequeue> i definitely feel more secure having a statically linked shell, having been burnt once in debian days when bash was hosed in unstable
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: sash is handy
[06:16] <randabis> I was thinking about checking out zsh again
[06:17] <randabis> haven't used it in forever
[06:17] <eyequeue> HrdwrBoB:  and *if* you need it, it's lifesaving
[06:17] <farruinn> is sash a bourne like shell?
[06:17] <regeya> darn you randabis for continually mentioning gentoo.  my wanking around with window maker the last couple of days has had me thinking "why did I stop using gentoo, again?"  then again, right now it's all working fine.  I'll have to give it a think...
[06:18] <eyequeue> i don't even know if this box has zsh [d] ash and tcsh on it yet, but ir definitely has sash heh
[06:18] <delltony> dang can't get xchat to open my ports for jack :( oh well
[06:18] <eyequeue> sash (1)             - stand-alone shell with built-in commands
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> farruinn: yeah but it's statically linked with builtin ls, cp, mv, etc
[06:18] <farruinn> eyequeue: cool (I'm not at an ubuntu box atm)
[06:18] <eyequeue> farruinn:  yes, a bourne shell, less-featureful than bash, but static is it's claim to fame
[06:18] <eyequeue> it might be a bit lighter too
[06:19] <eyequeue> farruinn:  basically it's great when your box is hosed, the linker is unlinked, whatever, heh
[06:19] <elmaya> mmm where do i enable autonint for the fonts??
[06:21] <eyequeue> HrdwrBoB:  have any other personal favorite "disaster" utils?
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: a good rescue CD :)
[06:21] <eyequeue> lol, yeah
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> ubcd.sf.net
[06:22] <Dreamer3> no, where are all the volunteers to send me that latest hot of the iron hoary CD? :)
[06:22] <randabis> regeya: sorry about that :/ I'm just really happy with it again :(
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> also, backups :)
[06:22] <randabis> Things just are much smoother overall...and faster
[06:23] <eyequeue> what i want is a bit impractical this year
[06:23] <Dreamer3> randabis: wither what?
[06:23] <randabis> ?
[06:23] <subterrific> fabbione: quick question about 2.6.11 if you're around?
[06:23] <eyequeue> this laptop hs the ability to boot from dvd, so now i expect all machines to, lol
[06:23] <fabbione> subterrific: in few minutes. i am busy right now
[06:23] <eyequeue> but i want a nice has-everything rescue dvd
[06:24] <subterrific> fabbione: ok, i'll msg you and just whenever you get a chance. no hurry
[06:24] <eyequeue> wait a few years until boot-from-dvd is as common as boot-from-cd has become, and it will be practical
[06:25] <randabis> Dreamer3: ?
[06:25] <Dreamer3> randabis: what makes everything smoother?
[06:25] <randabis> I don't know...it just works better
[06:25] <duckdown> The NVIDIA installer thing is giving me this error: If you are using a 2.6 kernel, please make sure you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel installed on your system.. etc
[06:26] <mebaran151> duckdown, why dont you just use the premade modules
[06:26] <mebaran151> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[06:26] <randabis> duckdown is using a custom kernel iirc
[06:26] <duckdown> yeah
[06:26] <duckdown> i got it to boot now
[06:27] <randabis> you'll need to point the nvidia installer to your kernel source tree
[06:27] <duckdown> i just can't get startx to work, saying (EE) Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[06:27] <neighborlee> duckdown, the old nvidia way doesn't work..yeah just use synaptic to install it and then there is a command you can issue to enable it...( ubuntuguide.org: search for nvidia)
[06:27] <eyequeue> !!: and sshfs which allows you to mount a filesystem over ssh
[06:27] <randabis> neighborlee: I don't believe the ubuntu way works with a custom kernel
[06:27] <duckdown> I've installed nvidia-glx
[06:27] <eyequeue> i want that! :)
[06:28] <neighborlee> randabis, doesn't work with even standard one...I know I tried..they dont supply the right version kernel
[06:28] <randabis> not true
[06:28] <neighborlee> I know I tried my friend
[06:28] <eyequeue> is there any sshfs in ubuntu (other than sftp:// in nautilus)?
[06:28] <neighborlee> I downloaded linux-kernel from synaptic and had trouble compiling nvidia from source
[06:29] <randabis> the ubuntu way of installing the nvidia driver will work just fine with a standard ubuntu kernel
[06:29] <randabis> neighborlee: you need to use linux-headers
[06:29] <randabis> that's probably why it didn't work
[06:29] <elmaya> mmm where do i enable autonint for the fonts??
[06:29] <randabis> you'd apt-get install linux-headers for your running ubuntu kernel, then point the nvidia installer to them
[06:29] <neighborlee> randabis, can't check right now as im not in linux but i will when I get back..you may be right
[06:30] <randabis> I know I'm right. :) I've done it before
[06:30] <neighborlee> lol
[06:30] <randabis> And helped others do it as well
[06:30] <neighborlee> so much for gracefullly bowing out of a mistake <G>
[06:30] <neighborlee> gee thx
[06:30] <neighborlee> lol
[06:30] <randabis> mostly warty people...hoary people can just do nvidia-glx because it is the latest version
[06:31] <neighborlee> I did nvidia-glx in warty
[06:31] <MacPlusG3> How on earth do I get the Hoary installer to a) create software raid volumes and b) use my existing software raid volume ?
[06:31] <duckdown> man
[06:32] <duckdown> i did it exactly via the ubuntuguide.org
[06:32] <duckdown> it did nothing. it still says Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[06:32] <randabis> duckdown: that way won't work with a custom kernel
[06:32] <duckdown> randabis: well i've tried appending --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 to the NVIDIA installer also
[06:32] <randabis> neighborlee: yeah, you can do nvidia-glx in warty, but it is not the latest version of the driver
[06:32] <neighborlee> duckdown, yes sorry I didn't know you had custom kernel...I presume you do because you have hardware needs ???
[06:33] <neighborlee> randabis, yeah
[06:33] <eyequeue> anyone here played with the new features of gnupg 1.3.93 or 1.4.0 yet?
[06:33] <randabis> duckdown: try installing linux-headers for 2.6.10
[06:33] <randabis> and pointing nvidia installer to those
[06:33] <duckdown> neighborlee: I don't have hardware needs, its just wise to recompile without the extra stuff you don't need, no?
[06:33] <duckdown> i have linux headers 2.6.10
[06:33] <subterrific> rebooting after 96 days...
[06:33] <neighborlee> duckdown, I dont bother
[06:33] <neighborlee> duckdown, my computer is fast enough not to bother
[06:34] <duckdown> neighborlee: that is true mind you, the 'nvidia' driver worked fine with the stock kernel just by running the installer
[06:34] <randabis> point nvidia to linux-headers-2.6.10 and it might work
[06:34] <neighborlee> duckdown, although I appreciate why your doing it yes
[06:34] <mebaran151> neighborlee, but think of the children
[06:34] <neighborlee> heh
[06:34] <duckdown> neighborlee: mines blazing fast too
[06:34] <duckdown> neighborlee: amd64 3500+ s939, 1 gig ocz platinum ram, 6800GT 256 vid card
[06:34] <neighborlee> mmmmmmman
[06:34] <Amaranth> jdub: the latest lugradio makes fun of your name again :)
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> duckdown: I assure you it is amost entirely pointless
[06:35] <jdub> yeah, so i heard..
[06:35] <neighborlee> duckdown,show off LOL
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> to recompile your own kernel
[06:35] <neighborlee> duckdown, love your card btw..my poor ole geforce4TI4200 is getting OLD now ..haha
[06:35] <Amaranth> jdub: blame the guy that wrote the email about you :)
[06:35] <duckdown> HrdwrBoB: to recompile?
[06:36] <duckdown> neighborlee: thanks.. i paid enough for it though
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> duckdown: yes
[06:36] <neighborlee> duckdown, I can imagine ;-))
[06:36] <neighborlee> duckdown, totally sweet system
[06:36] <duckdown> yeah.. runs a little warm though
[06:36] <duckdown> all the high end stuff in there
[06:36] <neighborlee> exactcly
[06:36] <neighborlee> tly
[06:37] <duckdown> i strapped a 3" vantec tornado fan on my hyper6 copper heatsink
[06:37] <duckdown> its deafening
[06:37] <randabis> yeah ubuntu kernels are already pretty well optimized so I'd have to agree that rolling your own kernel isn't going to do you much good
[06:37] <neighborlee> duckdown, lol
[06:37] <Amaranth> wow
[06:37] <HrdwrBoB> duckdown: if you use the cool n quiet stuff it shouldbe fine
[06:37] <Amaranth> i have an underclocked duron CPU that runs with a small fan and the heatsink with no issues
[06:37] <mlambie> what does everyone use to burn MP3s to audio CDs under Ubuntu?
[06:37] <duckdown> HrdwrBoB: yeah, it only gets warm while playing like doom3 on 1600x1200
[06:38] <duckdown> around 50 degrees
[06:38] <Amaranth> i'd rather have it be quiet then be fast
[06:38] <Amaranth> mlambie: k3b
[06:38] <randabis> I have a 90mm vantec tornado on my cpu heatsink as well
[06:38] <neighborlee> duckdown, heh..doom3 at that rez???
[06:38] <neighborlee> duckdown, wwwwwwoah
[06:38] <duckdown> neighborlee: yeah, for sure
[06:38] <duckdown> far cry is wicked on pure ultra.. especially water ultra+
[06:38] <mebaran151> anyone know how to make the fonts in xmms less ragged
[06:38] <neighborlee> yeah I admit that game has amazing effects
[06:38] <neighborlee> duckdown, shame its not native to linux ;(
[06:38] <mebaran151> they were great on an old install where ALSA failed to work
[06:38] <duckdown> randabis: hard to cope with the noise though
[06:38] <mebaran151> but not
[06:38] <mebaran151> now
[06:38] <duckdown> neighborlee: yeah :[
[06:39] <Amaranth> doom3 at 1600x1200 with antialiasing and all those fancy things on?
[06:39] <neighborlee> duckdown, AA is very decent though ;-))
[06:39] <neighborlee> duckdown, &/or ET
[06:39] <duckdown> Amaranth: yeah, AA x2 though not x4
[06:39] <Amaranth> doesn't it go to 8x?
[06:39] <duckdown> yeah maybe
[06:39] <duckdown> i have no idea.. i use 2x
[06:39] <randabis> duckdown: my computer stays on so long I don't really notice it much...but when I leave and return I definitely get somewhat annoyed
[06:40] <duckdown> randabis: yeah, my mom gets aggrevated if i leave the door to the room the comp is in open :]
[06:40] <Amaranth> i was told that the doom3 engine couldn't be run at full power on any existing computer equipment
[06:40] <randabis> hah
[06:40] <duckdown> its not on full power Amaranth
[06:40] <duckdown> Amaranth: its on HIGH, not ULTRA
[06:40] <Amaranth> yeah, i know
[06:40] <duckdown> because ultra needs like double SLI
[06:40] <Amaranth> probably more then that
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> ultra is silly anyway
[06:40] <randabis> Amaranth: that's true..you'd need a 512MB card at minimum
[06:40] <duckdown> yeah.. ultra is overkill
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> there's no actual quality improvement
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> but this is all offtopic
[06:40] <Amaranth> only because of the levels used
[06:40] <duckdown> farcry on ultra is fine though
[06:41] <Amaranth> quake 4 will probably take advantage of ultra
[06:41] <HrdwrBoB> move it to another channel or pm if you could
[06:41] <duckdown> quake 4??
[06:41] <HrdwrBoB> Amaranth: no, ultra is just the same thing uncompressed
[06:41] <neighborlee> duckdown, dont have doom3 but I find ut2k4 amazing
[06:41] <tweek> ive been reading the guides for getting flashplayer,and i try sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:41] <duckdown> neighborlee: OOH
[06:41] <neighborlee> duckdown, there are TONS of kewl mods for it
[06:41] <tweek> and it says packedge not found
[06:41] <duckdown> i absolutely LOVE ut2k4.. most underrated game EVER
[06:41] <duckdown> i bought it the day it came out
[06:41] <neighborlee> yup agreeed
[06:41] <neighborlee> duckdown, ;-))
[06:41] <Amaranth> tweek: Do you have all the repositories enabled?
[06:41] <tweek> yes
[06:41] <Agrajag> tweek: Is that supposed to be in universe or multiverse?
[06:42] <tweek> uhhh
[06:42] <neighborlee> duckdown, I can't get some mods working with it any lucker ( since udate)...shame but....
[06:42] <duckdown> neighborlee: i havent even fooled with the mods
[06:42] <Agrajag> because I'm pretty sure it's nonfree, and would be in multiverse. Do you have multiverse?
[06:42] <neighborlee> duckdown, one I miss playing is t roopers and hamsterbash ;(
[06:42] <duckdown> neighborlee: i still have that to look forward to
[06:42] <neighborlee> heh
[06:42] <tweek> i dont think so
[06:42] <neighborlee> setting them up is a bit of a 'pita' but....
[06:42] <duckdown> and even after all this time.. ONS-Torlan still owns
[06:42] <tweek> have all the defaults
[06:42] <neighborlee> duckdown, ons-torlan ?
[06:43] <duckdown> neighborlee: the first level ever.. the one that shipped with the ut2k4demo
[06:43] <duckdown> onslaught-torlan
[06:43] <neighborlee> duckdown, oh ok
[06:43] <Agrajag> tweek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/view?searchterm=multiverse
[06:44] <duckdown> randabis: Are they working on fixing this NVIDIA problem? I assume the ubuntu people know about what a pain it is??
[06:44] <randabis> duckdown: if you use a custom kernel, that's not the ubuntu team's problem or responsibility to fix
[06:44] <tweek> thanks agrajag
[06:44] <tweek> i hope this works :)
[06:44] <duckdown> then someone should stab the nvidia people
[06:45] <randabis> if you use the standard kernel they ship, you would not be having the problem you are having
[06:45] <duckdown> randabis: do you use the standard kernel?
[06:45] <tweek> and is there  a place to get wine, winehqs seem to not have it available
[06:45] <duckdown> why was i always told recompiling was almost a necessisity?
[06:45] <randabis> did you try the suggestion I made about pointing the nvidia installer to the linux headers?
[06:45] <neighborlee> tweek, latest wine is in synaptic
[06:45] <randabis> duckdown: in ubuntu I do...in gentoo I roll my own kernels
[06:45] <neighborlee> tweek, or if not THEE latest its dain close
[06:45] <duckdown> randabis: yeah, but the --kernel-source-path option is for exactly that isn't it?
[06:46] <Amaranth> neighborlee: Unless it's been updated the WINE Ubuntu had was about 8 months old.
[06:46] <Agrajag> neighborlee: actually, the one in warty is from June
[06:46] <OrangeSlice> doesn't winehq have their own repository for latest builds?
[06:46] <randabis> neighborlee: the latest WINE is NOT in the ubuntu repos
[06:46] <tweek> its not in mine
[06:46] <randabis> the wine in ubuntu is old
[06:46] <neighborlee> not in universe
[06:46] <tweek> its ont even available in mine :(
[06:46] <OrangeSlice> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[06:46] <Agrajag> tweek: are you SURE you enabled the extra repositories?
[06:47] <neighborlee> OrangeSlice, thx forgot to mention that...
[06:47] <tweek> ya
[06:47] <randabis> duckdown: yes --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10
[06:47] <Agrajag> universe and multiverse?
[06:47] <randabis> something like that
[06:47] <tweek> i have that enabled
[06:47] <Agrajag> Did you do an apt-get update?
[06:47] <tweek> but,
[06:47] <tweek> yes
[06:47] <tweek> "wine" isnt available
[06:47] <tweek> but its libs etc are
[06:47] <duckdown> ack
[06:47] <Agrajag> search in synaptic for wine
[06:47] <duckdown> it got further now, and built the module!
[06:47] <tweek> have
[06:47] <Agrajag> you'll find it
[06:47] <duckdown> but it just echoed on all my TTYS
[06:47] <Agrajag> hm?
[06:47] <tweek> its not there >.<
[06:48] <randabis> duckdown: if it built the module, you'll now how to modprobe nvidia
[06:48] <randabis> how = have
[06:48] <randabis> and add nvidia to /etc/modules
[06:48] <duckdown> im trying to see the error it produced
[06:48] <duckdown> something about nvidia version magic
[06:49] <duckdown> ok heres the output
[06:50] <duckdown> nvidia: version magic '2.6.10-3 SMP gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.10troubleshoot gcc-3.3'
[06:50] <duckdown> 2.6.10troubleshoot is my kernel
[06:50] <randabis> ugh
[06:51] <duckdown> but i pointed NVIDIA-installer to --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-3
[06:51] <jc118278> anyone know of any linux training providers in Australia?
[06:51] <OmniColossus> hello
[06:51] <Lee__> jc118278:  Redhat?
[06:51] <randabis> duckdown: did you get a linux headers for your kernel? like linux-header-2.6.10-3-amd64
[06:51] <randabis> check /usr/src
[06:51] <duckdown> Yes
[06:51] <randabis> you're probably using the wrong headers
[06:52] <randabis> there's probably another linux-headers directory
[06:52] <heliolith> anyone know a command to find the MAC address of your own router from inside your linux machine?  can ethereal do it?  is there a bash script?
[06:52] <tweek> mini flood sorry,Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:52] <tweek> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:52] <tweek> is only available from another source
[06:52] <tweek> see its gone :(
[06:52] <OmniColossus> is there a another channel for Ubuntu on ppc?
[06:53] <randabis> be back in a minute
[06:53] <wm_eddie> heliolith: ifconfig?
[06:55] <wm_eddie> heliolith: Also Computer>System Configuration>Device Manager
[06:55] <tweek> is it not advised to get drivers from ati?
[06:55] <duckdown> OKAY.. after fiddling I have the module built and working as of RIGHT now
[06:55] <DeepSpaceAnt> how do i check what port ESD is running on?
[06:55] <duckdown> i may have pointed them to the wrong headers directory,im not sure, i dont care
[06:55] <duckdown> how can I ensure it stays working
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> hoary rocks!
[06:57] <OrangeSlice> hoary broke my install
[06:57] <MacPlusG3> jdub: ping
[06:57] <duckdown> it will once i get this NVIDIA b.s. working
[06:57] <duckdown> this newest release is definitely not ready
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: how come ?
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> duckdown: i think you are wrong.
[06:58] <OrangeSlice> I dunno, it was back in november.  hehe
[06:58] <GregoryD> Has anyone successfully used the JPackage repositories with Ubuntu?
[06:58] <bestadvocate> hey dudes
[06:59] <sewagemaster> has anyone tried using x.org packages from ubuntuu on debian unstable?
[06:59] <bestadvocate> say anyone know if there is a way to go back to the previous version of a package before an upgrade, these new Nvidia drivers blow.
[06:59] <OrangeSlice> force version
[06:59] <OrangeSlice> synaptic will do it
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: best not mix ubuntu hoary and debian
[06:59] <bestadvocate> how so?
[07:00] <duckdown> randabis: The header directory I'm pointing it to is not my current custom kernels headers.. thats the problem.. how do I get the headers out of my current config
[07:00] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  dpkg -i foo-oldversion.deb
[07:00] <randabis> duckdown: I don't know...the module is built though and works?
[07:00] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  if you have the deb, say from the mirror or something
[07:00] <sewagemaster> da_bon_bon, that's what i was thinking...
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: currently, xorg and xf86 are same, but for the licences
[07:01] <bestadvocate> ok thanks eyequeue, do you think the deb will still be in my repository or will it have been replaced by the new version?
[07:01] <sewagemaster> da_bon_bon: i've heard that x.org isn't quite stable at the moment, is that right?
[07:01] <duckdown> randabis: yes, as of right now, and I'm about to recompile another kernel.. how can I make sure that this module is included with the new kernel im building?
[07:01] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  ls /var/cache/apt/archives/foo*
[07:01] <randabis> why are you going to compile another kernel?
[07:02] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  otherwise browse on archive.ubuntu.com
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: no.
[07:02] <duckdown> this one -2.6.10troubleshoot was an identical config file to the stock config, i just did it to fix my initrd problems.. i havent edited out much of the extra hw stuff i dont need
[07:02] <randabis> you do realize how pointless that is?
[07:02] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  think that will handle your needs?
[07:02] <duckdown> apparently not
[07:03] <randabis> those hardware things are modules
[07:03] <randabis> they are not going to make any sort of difference
[07:03] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  i can get you an exact url if you're not up to it yourself
[07:03] <randabis> the only difference will be in disk space usage
[07:03] <duckdown> but with the stock kernel every time I reboot my computer, I have to re-run the NVIDIA-install.sh
[07:03] <duckdown> it doesn't keep the module out
[07:03] <mlambie> what does everyone use to burn MP3s to audio CDs under Ubuntu?
[07:03] <randabis> duckdown: is nvidia in /etc/modules?
[07:04] <eyequeue> mlambie:  i never have so far, but i'd most likely use cdrecord
[07:04] <duckdown> err no
[07:04] <randabis> that's why
[07:04] <DeepSpaceAnt> is there a good GTK frontend to mplayer?
[07:04] <randabis> you have to add it to /etc/modules or the module will not load at bootup
[07:04] <duckdown> cool
[07:04] <mlambie> eyequeue: thanks for the recommendation
[07:04] <eyequeue> mlambie:  np
[07:05] <sewagemaster> you might have to play around with the order of the modules in /etc/modules
[07:05] <eyequeue> mlambie:  it's a commandline app, if that's not to your liking ask a bit more, someone will know a gui
[07:05] <randabis> echo nvidia >> /etc/modules should do it, or add it in with nano
[07:05] <randabis> play it safe and add it with nano
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> updating hoary :)
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> 27.5 mb
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> dnld
[07:06] <duckdown> randabis: thanks for all the help. i'm gonna try something.. brb
[07:06] <randabis> ... duckdown is wasting so much time for no reason at all
[07:06] <delltony> i'm out of ideas and have asked in xchat with no luck so i come here i have set dcc ports on the router 1024 to 65535 and nmap -T5 shows them all when i do it to the router  and then when i go to send a file and do netstat -tlnp i see it waitnig on 1024 for xchat  any ideas how to get the dcc to ack?
[07:06] <eyequeue> mlambie:  i see applications > multimedia > sound juicer, that i might experiement with, if i wanted a gui :)
[07:07] <randabis> the ubuntu kernel is already plenty optimized..there is no reason to compile a custom kernel
[07:07] <randabis> unless you want a newer one
[07:07] <randabis> and hoary already has 2.6.10
[07:07] <sewagemaster> i read from a lot of guides that you have to recompile the kernel to use nvidia drivers. probably those were out of date ones on the web
[07:08] <randabis> sewagemaster: not if you use ubuntu's standard kernel
[07:08] <sewagemaster> to use the non-free ones, not the opensource ones
[07:08] <randabis> no...
[07:08] <randabis> ubuntu has the non-free ones already in a package
[07:08] <sewagemaster> wow really. that's cool
[07:08] <randabis> but it only works with the standard ubuntu kernel
[07:08] <randabis> it will not work with a custom kernel
[07:08] <eyequeue> sewagemaster:  the "restricted" repo is designed for things like that
[07:09] <sewagemaster> that's really awesome
[07:09] <randabis> yep
[07:09] <seacyd> What is the gam_server? It takes 50% of CPU power.
[07:09] <sewagemaster> <--- using debian unstable
[07:09] <randabis> they took a tip from gentoo :p
[07:09] <sewagemaster> does the default kernel have bootsplash enabled also
[07:09] <eyequeue> sewagemaster:  as in: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:09] <|QuaD|> warty takes so long to install on qemu :)
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> how do i know whether udev is runing or no on hoary ?
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: u use sid ?
[07:10] <randabis> sewagemaster: no, but there will be an alternative to bootsplash called usplash
[07:10] <eyequeue> sewagemaster:  ah, well, if on debian, you'll recognize the format of a sources.list line at least, heh
[07:10] <randabis> usplash hopefully will make it into hoary, but that's still up in the air at this point due to complications iirc
[07:11] <jmob> seacyd: it's some subset of fam, gnome probably uses it for file modification monitoring
[07:11] <sewagemaster> ya... sid
[07:12] <eyequeue> what is usplash btw?
[07:12] <sewagemaster> the thing i'm looking forward most is x.org really. i've heard they're having quite a number of bugs with the radeon drivers
[07:12] <randabis> usplash is going to be the ubuntu implementation of bootsplash
[07:12] <eyequeue> sounds more desirable than bootsplash, but i doin't know what that is either, heh
[07:12] <randabis> http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/usplash
[07:12] <randabis> iirc
[07:12] <eyequeue> k
[07:13] <randabis> bootsplash gives your computer a graphical splash image similar to the windows xp startup splash
[07:13] <GregoryD> that bootsplash is freaking blinding :)
[07:13] <randabis> in gentoo we use gensplash, which uses another implementation of bootsplash called fbsplash
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: nvidia drivers are smooth on x.org
[07:14] <sewagemaster> da_bon_bon, all my cards are ati cards at the moment :-/
[07:14] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  yep
[07:14] <seacyd> jmob: thanks, I have killed it, so far I can do without
[07:14] <randabis> sewagemaster: you can blame ati for that. :p Their latest drivers supposedly address the x.org problems though
[07:14] <zenrox> i love the nvidia drivers
[07:14] <sewagemaster> i just cant seem to get good frame rates over 600
[07:14] <GregoryD> is there any reason that the ubuntu bootsplash would hang on nautilus for an inordinate amount of time?
[07:14] <seacyd> jmob: must have been the latest hoary update yesterday evening
[07:15] <randabis> GregoryD: uh..what? you mean the ubuntu gnome startup splash?
[07:15] <GregoryD> yeah, that one
[07:15] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: u on hoary too /?
[07:15] <randabis> in that case...I don't know
[07:15] <eyequeue> randabis:  i'm not normally into eyecandy, but that sounds rather impressive
[07:15] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  yep
[07:15] <zenrox> look in #ubuntuforums
[07:15] <randabis> eyequeue: yeah it's a nice feature
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: do u know how to get the original warty mouse theme ?
[07:16] <K-Rich> sweet, i'm now a 100% Ubuntu shop :)
[07:16] <eyequeue> randabis:  i also think it may be a nice "selling" point for those considering ubuntu
[07:16] <GregoryD> I had an issue earlier where my panel crashed and I put another one up there... which screwed things up each time I reloaded gnome... so I rebooted and the panel loaded fine, but the startup splash hangs
[07:16] <K-Rich> moived 24 systems to warty today :)
[07:16] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  om no never noticed that
[07:17] <randabis> eyequeue: yes, that's one of the reasons it is being implemented
[07:17] <sewagemaster> did anyone of you notice that the hoary "liveCD" is actually an installation CD
[07:17] <eyequeue> randabis:  it would need to be put on the livecd too of course
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: really ?
[07:17] <randabis> eyequeue: it already is on the livecd iirc
[07:17] <sewagemaster> ya. i downloaded it twice. one from bittorrent link, another from http
[07:17] <K-Rich> eyequeue: thanks for the mysql help earlyer, saved my arse a load of troubles :)
[07:18] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  np, i've been there myself, so only too happy to spare others the misery, heh
[07:18] <randabis> sewagemaster: I believe you may be getting the wrong cd...you should not be able to install hoary with a livecd
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: and firefox 1.0 rocks too..
[07:18] <randabis> unless they changed that
[07:18] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  yep
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> randabis: maybe, unlike warty, hoary live can install ?
[07:19] <sewagemaster> randabis, i wanted to run the liveCD to see what it's like first. but i guess it wasnt the liveCD eventhough the link said it was
[07:19] <sewagemaster> let me find the link
[07:19] <eyequeue> da_bon_bon:  it's possible, but i rather doubt it, since that would mean there's significantly less room on the cd for apps
[07:19] <delltony> is there a rar password remover for linux?  i have forgot the pass i put on some rars of mine :(
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> eyequeue: what if theres an installer script like knoppix ?
[07:19] <sewagemaster> can i post links here?
[07:20] <eyequeue> sewagemaster:  topical? sure
[07:20] <sewagemaster> this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-3.5-live/
[07:20] <randabis> hmmm
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: why not
[07:20] <sewagemaster> hoary-live-i386
[07:20] <randabis> sewagemaster: there is a newer hoary live cd
[07:20] <randabis> can't comment on that one
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: that installs too ?
[07:20] <sewagemaster> that was an installer CD
[07:21] <randabis> try array-4 instead
[07:21] <eyequeue> da_bon_bon:  some channels have auto-kick-on-"www"-or-"http" believe it or not
[07:21] <sewagemaster> da_bon_bon, no, it was purely an installer cd. like debian sarge ones
[07:21] <randabis> or one of the daily lives
[07:21] <sewagemaster> ah. silly me. should have browsed up a directory first...
[07:22] <sewagemaster> but still. they made a mistake...
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> eyequeue: oh, havent seen that.
[07:22] <eyequeue> speaking of daily lives, has anyone noticed the weekly-dvd directory is *missing* the dvd images?
[07:23] <eyequeue> da_bon_bon:  i haven't seen it in tech channels, nor on freenode, but i've seen it in "social" channels elsewhere, as an antispambot measure i think
[07:24] <K-Rich> dvd sucks (only cause i can't burn them yet though :P )
[07:24] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  lol
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> eyequeue: ok.
[07:24] <K-Rich> got a CD-R/W DVD-R Combo Drive heh
[07:25] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  i want the ability to boot to them to be more universal, so i can start carrying a rescue/util dvd :)
[07:26] <K-Rich> eyequeue: can't you use 'el torito' with DVD ?
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> K-Rich: u can
[07:26] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  well think for a sec ... if i carry my "toolkit" on a dvd, what do i use to boot someone's non-dvd system? :)
[07:27] <K-Rich> true
[07:27] <eyequeue> it's like having a cd in the days of floppies
[07:27] <K-Rich> i wonder if it could be possible to use the first 800mb on a dvd to emulate a CD and to work in CD drives... hmmmmmm doubt it... but might be a nice experiment
[07:28] <Agrajag> uh, no
[07:28] <K-Rich> i still have clients who use floppies and <gasp> LS-120
[07:28] <eyequeue> btw, i notice a lot of disaster recovery methods are still dependent on the existance of a floppy drive, but i have no access to any
[07:28] <Agrajag> since they're not the same kind of disc at all
[07:28] <K-Rich> Agrajag: right... wasn't sure heh
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> for those who cant boot off cds, smart bootmanager is an excellent shoice
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> *choice
[07:29] <eyequeue> yeah, in my dream world you could flip the dvd over and there'd be a legit cd image there, the real world doesn't allow that though
[07:29] <sewagemaster> thanks for the help guys.
[07:29] <Agrajag> eyequeue: sure it does
[07:29] <K-Rich> eyequeue: super glue does LOL
[07:29] <eyequeue> lol
[07:29] <Agrajag> You'd just have to have them made professionally for way too much money
[07:30] <Agrajag> I have a Nine Inch Nails DVD which is a CD on one side and a DVD-A disc on the other
[07:30] <eyequeue> heh
[07:30] <eyequeue> ah, proof of concept
[07:30] <Agrajag> may not work in all CD drives though
[07:30] <mebaran151> hey
[07:31] <K-Rich> super glue... 99 cents a tube
[07:31] <eyequeue> now if that would become popular, it would trickle down to consumer level equipment
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> anyone seen the pUbuntu mouse theme by pinux ?
[07:31] <K-Rich> not i
[07:32] <siimo> anyone know how to play audio cds on xmms or linux
[07:32] <mebaran151> K-Rich, double wide trailer, I mean CD, that much too thick
[07:32] <K-Rich> probably... unless you used one of those small dvds what are they 8cm ?
[07:33] <GregoryD> pinux?  yeah, they're nice
[07:33] <siimo> i get this error when i try to mount it : mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdroms/cdrom1
[07:33] <GregoryD> http://gnomelook.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19506&file1=19506-1.png&file2=19506-2.png&file3=19506-3.png&name=Pinux%27s+Tux+Cursors+Theme&PHPSESSID=0d078da53b6b702948b4ed0e386b7de8
[07:37] <K-Rich> http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/checkinstall/index.php
[07:37] <K-Rich> fast way to make .debs
[07:38] <MM2> which scripts is run, when machine starts?
[07:44] <OrangeSlice> scripts in /etc/init.d I believe
[07:46] <BiteMeBill> quiet in here tonight.
[07:56] <Lisztman> who knows how to setup ubuntu for an audigy ls sound card?
[07:56] <tweek> is it possible for anyone to setup a compiled packedge of wine so we can download it with synaptic ;)?
[07:57] <wezzer> Lisztman: it should work automatic in ubuntu
[07:57] <wezzer> do you have somekind of problem with it?
[07:58] <Lisztman> yeah
[07:58] <Lisztman> it doesnt work at all
[07:58] <Lisztman> pretty much everything else made by creative labs is supported, except for this kind of card
[07:58] <mebaran151> anyone know how to make the xmms fonts less ragged
[07:58] <mebaran151> mplayer too
[07:59] <mebaran151> anything that uses xfonts
[07:59] <MacPlusG3> mebaran151: get them to fix their apps :)
[08:00] <mebaran151> well
[08:00] <mebaran151> I reinstalled Ubuntu with the new array four
[08:00] <mebaran151> and they looked sweet
[08:00] <mebaran151> too bad Alsa didnt work
[08:00] <mebaran151> so I then tried apt-getting from an old warty cd
[08:00] <mebaran151> which brought all my pkgs up to date
[08:00] <mebaran151> but left xmms and mplayer in the same ragged font condition
[08:02] <eyequeue> tweek:  why don't you apt-get it
[08:03] <tweek> because it doesnt work
[08:03] <paulproteu1> mebaran151: If you missed my earlier messages (I had net problems):
[08:04] <paulproteu1> Beep Media Player is a drop-in replacement for XMMS, and is a step in the Right Direction: a step away from programs using old GUI toolkits with sucky fonts like GTK1 and Tcl/Tk.
[08:04] <tweek> im trying to compile it,but its giving me c errors
[08:04] <eyequeue> tweek:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:04] <tweek> >.<
[08:04] <tweek> i have added
[08:04] <tweek> it
[08:04] <tweek> its not there
[08:05] <tweek> on the libs and docs
[08:05] <eyequeue> tweek:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto <-- did you add universe?
[08:05] <tweek> yes
[08:05] <eyequeue> tweek:  sudo apt-get update
[08:05] <tweek> did
[08:05] <eyequeue> tweek:  then it "knows" universe
[08:06] <eyequeue> tweek:  then you can use synaptic, or you dan sudo apt-get install wine winesetuptk
[08:06] <eyequeue> can
[08:07] <eyequeue> it's there, i just manually checked the site
[08:07] <tweek> ive tried apt-get install wine but not winesetuptk
[08:07] <randabis> you should triple-check your repos
[08:07] <tweek> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[08:07] <randabis> sounds like you may have made a typo or something
[08:08] <tweek> ive checked,alot
[08:08] <randabis> for kicks, type wine
[08:08] <randabis> just wine
[08:08] <tweek> tryed
[08:08] <|QuaD|> i wish i knew how much longer on my warty install.... its setting up python-tk now
[08:08] <|QuaD|> any hints about how far along it is?
[08:08] <eyequeue> tweek:  grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list ... just paste one deb line here
[08:09] <eyequeue> |QuaD|:  no clue, other than that's not the base at all, so it's promising
[08:09] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: yeah
[08:09] <|QuaD|> qemu is sooo slow
[08:09] <tweek> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe' like this?
[08:09] <|QuaD|> i wish i had a vmware license
[08:09] <randabis> did you uncomment them?
[08:09] <eyequeue> tweek:  give me the line that starts with "deb "
[08:09] <tweek> k
[08:10] <|QuaD|> setting up xserver-xfree86
[08:10] <tweek> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[08:10] <eyequeue> a direct paste, not a type, if you can
[08:10] <eyequeue> okay
[08:10] <eyequeue> now, type these lines: sudo apt-get update
[08:10] <|QuaD|> just configured x
[08:11] <tweek> k eyequeue
[08:11] <|QuaD|> all just to remove half this stuff anyways :)
[08:11] <randabis> |QuaD|: shouldn't be much longer then
[08:11] <eyequeue> tweek:   apt-cache show wine | grep ^File
[08:11] <|QuaD|> randabis: waiting to do an apt-get remove *gtk libs*
[08:11] <eyequeue> tweek:   don't paste anything more than one line here
[08:11] <|QuaD|> randabis: on qemu it takes a while :)
[08:11] <randabis> i bet
[08:11] <tweek> that did nothing
[08:11] <eyequeue> tweek:   apt-cache show wine | wc
[08:12] <tweek>       0       0       0
[08:12] <Lisztman> so... who knows about configuring for an audigy LS sound card?
[08:12] <tweek> onboard?
[08:13] <eyequeue> tweek:  something is seriously screwy with your repositories in sources.list
[08:13] <tweek> :(
[08:13] <|QuaD|> tweek: why not post a copy to a website?
[08:13] <eyequeue> tweek:  are you able to dcc that file to me? (not sure if i can receive it)
[08:13] <tweek> not sure if i know how
[08:13] <randabis> tweek post sources.list at www.pastebin.com
[08:13] <tweek> to get that file
[08:13] <randabis> I want to have a look
[08:13] <|QuaD|> tweek: do you have apache installed?
[08:13] <tweek> no
[08:14] <eyequeue> tweek:  if not, wander over to pastebin.com and we can do it that way
[08:14] <tweek> unless its default
[08:14] <|QuaD|> tweek: never mind then
[08:14] <tweek> il do it on rafb
[08:14] <randabis> post it at www.pastebin.com
[08:14] <Brett> Hello
[08:14] <|QuaD|> hey Brett
[08:14] <eyequeue> tweek:  anwhere, jusy give us the url
[08:14] <randabis> and post a link pls
[08:14] <|QuaD|> heck even email it to us!
[08:14] <Brett> How is everyone this fine evening?
[08:14] <|QuaD|> Brett: could be better
[08:14] <tweek> ok, what file do you need?
[08:14] <|QuaD|> wishing qemu was faster
[08:14] <randabis> I'm good..waiting on openoffie to compile
[08:15] <OrangeSlice> wishing wine did unicode
[08:15] <|QuaD|> randabis: we wait to much
[08:15] <randabis> tweek: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:15] <tweek> ok
[08:15] <randabis> copy the contents of that file and paste it, then give us the url
[08:15] <|QuaD|> randabis: don't you wish the computer was waiting for US
[08:15] <randabis> hah it will soon enough
[08:15] <|QuaD|> its soo unfair
[08:15] <|QuaD|> we payfor this thing
[08:15] <Brett> Wow I have been using Ubuntu for about a week now and have to say it is the best distrobution on the market.
[08:16] <tweek> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ObIP9u29.html
[08:16] <|QuaD|> and it doesn't inconvience itself!
[08:16] <|QuaD|> Brett: hehe :)
[08:16] <Brett> abd I have been into linux for about 2 years now.
[08:16] <|QuaD|> Brett: what are you comparing it to?
[08:16] <|QuaD|> (out of curiosity)
[08:16] <Brett> Mandrake,Suse and slack
[08:17] <Brett> mainly mandrake though
[08:17] <|QuaD|> interesting
[08:17] <|QuaD|> ahh
[08:17] <|QuaD|> ok
[08:17] <Brett> that is where I came from
[08:17] <OrangeSlice> mandrake was slow and buggy when I used it
[08:17] <randabis> Brett: all depends on preference. I think I like gentoo the best
[08:17] <|QuaD|> when i used it was slow and bloated
[08:17] <eyequeue> tweek:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restrictcted
[08:17] <eyequeue> tweek:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restrictcted
[08:18] <tweek> ?
[08:18] <Brett> I have never used a debian based system befor, but I think I will never look back to an RPM based system.
[08:18] <|QuaD|> Brett: :)
[08:18] <eyequeue> tweek:  see the difference in those two lines?  the first is mine, the second is yours
[08:18] <zenrox> brett i am the same way but 7 years of nix rh7.0-7.2, mdk 8.0-10.0, gentoo, suse 8.0
[08:18] <tweek> yes
[08:18] <OrangeSlice> better to compile everything from source anyway
[08:18] <tweek> would that make a big difference?
[08:18] <eyequeue> tweek:  you have to pull the trailing slash off the URIs
[08:18] <tweek> o.o
[08:18] <eyequeue> tweek:  huge
[08:18] <randabis> eyequeue: you completely typed that incorrectly
[08:18] <tweek> :(
[08:18] <randabis> warty man restricted
[08:18] <randabis> warty main restricted
[08:19] <eyequeue> randabis:  it was a paste, heh
[08:19] <tweek> is that the only one that was bad?
[08:19] <randabis> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[08:19] <K-Rich> where do you put cursor themes? i know icons go in ~/.icons and metacity themes go in ~/.themes (as well at gtk-s themes i think) just no idea on cursors
[08:19] <eyequeue> tweek:  first, humour me and give me this output though:  sudo ls /var/lib/apt/lists/archive* | wc
[08:20] <eyequeue> tweek:  i'd like to see how drastically it will cange or not
[08:20] <tweek>  14      14    1182
[08:20] <tweek> o.0
[08:20] <randabis> hah
[08:21] <eyequeue> tweek:  strip the one trailing slash, then re-run sudo apt-get update (snd see if you see it fetch any files) and then rerun that "wc" line
[08:21] <tweek> well i did apt-get and it tok about 5 times longer than before
[08:22] <eyequeue> tweek:  okay, i'll bet you now have wine available to you as well :)
[08:22] <tweek>     14      14    1182
[08:22] <tweek>  it is the same
[08:22] <Amaranth> eyequeue: _Really_ old version of WINE.
[08:23] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  but he has *none* presently, his repos are misbehaving
[08:23] <fluk> Hi
[08:23] <Amaranth> warty or hoary?
[08:23] <tweek> warty
[08:23] <eyequeue> warty
[08:23] <Amaranth> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[08:23] <eyequeue> tweek:   apt-cache show wine | wc
[08:23] <fluk> there is a new french mirror for ubuntu
[08:23] <eyequeue> tweek:   more than 0 now?
[08:24] <tweek> no
[08:24] <fluk> you can put it in your apt source-list
[08:24] <eyequeue> tweek:   oh DUH,  my fault
[08:24] <randabis> tweek: I posted an example sources.list on rafb
[08:24] <randabis> look for the newest entry
[08:24] <randabis> I can't grab the url atm
[08:24] <tweek> k
[08:24] <eyequeue> tweek:   also strip the trailing slash from the *universe* line too please
[08:24] <tweek> k
[08:24] <fluk> deb ftp://ftp.oleane.net/ubuntu warty main restricted multiverse unviverse
[08:25] <Amaranth> fluk: You fail it. :P
[08:25] <Amaranth> unviverse
[08:25] <eyequeue> tweek:  then re-run sudo apt-get update (snd see if you see it fetch any files) and then rerun that "wc" line
[08:25] <tweek> ok
[08:25] <fluk> yes universe, thanks :)
[08:25] <Welly> Hello all.. is it possible to install ubuntu from the hard drive? this machine doesn't have an optical drive :S
[08:26] <eyequeue> tweek:  i'd like to get you wine, then further repair your sources.list once you can see for yourself how it makes a difference
[08:26] <|QuaD|> is this install EVER going to finnish
[08:26] <OrangeSlice> that's a good question, I wonder if ubuntu provides a net install
[08:26] <tweek> is source.list interchangeable?
[08:27] <eyequeue> no
[08:27] <fluk> the ftp.oleane.net server is also known as ftp2.fr.debian.org
[08:27] <tweek> :(
[08:27] <Welly> orange, i can't install off the net at the moment either :) i've got a wireless lan card which needs ndiswrapper
[08:27] <eyequeue> tweek:  did you get the trailing slash off the universe line?
[08:27] <OrangeSlice> you're screwed :)
[08:27] <tweek> how would i remove it thru th eterminal?
[08:27] <Welly> lol excellent
[08:28] <Welly> looks like i'm giong to have to buy a new drive of some sort
[08:28] <eyequeue> tweek:  well, i'd use vim, you can use nano or any other text editor
[08:28] <tweek> k
[08:28] <OrangeSlice> nothing beats good ol' CAT-5 running through the house
[08:28] <eyequeue> tweek:  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list, for example
[08:28] <tweek> it wont let me edit it with a text editor
[08:28] <randabis> tweek: I'd remove the slashes from the ends of every line
[08:29] <randabis> tweek: you have to use sudo
[08:29] <tweek> ok
[08:29] <eyequeue> tweek:  don't forget the sudo, hyou need to be root in /etc usually
[08:29] <randabis> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:30] <|QuaD|> we are up to setting up gnome-applets-data
[08:30] <eyequeue> |QuaD|:  did you time this at all?
[08:30] <tweek> how do i save in nano
[08:30] <|QuaD|> we are up to setting up gnome-games
[08:30] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: haha nope
[08:30] <|QuaD|> probably started around midnight
[08:31] <eyequeue> |QuaD|:  what TZ?
[08:31] <tweek> nvm
[08:31] <|QuaD|> eastern
[08:31] <eyequeue> tweek:  then re-run sudo apt-get update (snd see if you see it fetch any files) and then rerun that "wc" line
[08:31] <tweek> k
[08:31] <tweek> no fetching
[08:31] <eyequeue> tweek:  apt-cache show wine | wc
[08:32] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: then i am going to apt-get remove gtk2.0
[08:32] <|QuaD|> lol
[08:32] <K-Rich> anyone know how to install cursor themes?
[08:32] <tweek> 0 0 0
[08:32] <randabis> you probably didn't save the file
[08:32] <tweek> f3 = save?
[08:32] <randabis> hmm
[08:33] <|QuaD|> firefox :)
[08:33] <mebaran151> why isnt xmms, wxwidgets, and mplayer compiled with GTK2.0 rather than 1.2
[08:33] <randabis> tweek: yeah :/
[08:33] <mebaran151> 1.2 looks so ugly
[08:33] <tweek> i saved then :)
[08:33] <OrangeSlice> because you didn't compile it
[08:33] <mebaran151> I know that
[08:33] <eyequeue> tweek:  cat /etc/apt/sources.list (don't paste, just read it yourself locally to be sure the chages are there)
[08:33] <mebaran151> but the pkg maintainers
[08:33] <randabis> post your new sources.list
[08:34] <mebaran151> could
[08:34] <mebaran151> ;)
[08:34] <randabis> on rafb
[08:34] <OrangeSlice> well, not everyone has gtk2
[08:34] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: i am getting impatient :)
[08:35] <eyequeue> |QuaD|:  hold tight, in just a moment tweek is going to pour us all a glass of wine :)
[08:35] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: setting up openoffice
[08:35] <tweek> what does cat /etc/apt/sources.list do?
[08:35] <|QuaD|> lol
[08:35] <OrangeSlice> heh
[08:35] <id_ID> :-)
[08:35] <eyequeue> tweek:  cats (displays) the file to your screen
[08:36] <tweek> ok
[08:36] <randabis> tweek: it outputs the contents to your screen
[08:36] <randabis> or whereever you tell it to
[08:36] <tweek> it actualy looks like it keeps changin back to have slackes
[08:36] <randabis> for kicks, you could do
[08:36] <id_ID> tweak, it's display your apt source list... :-)
[08:36] <randabis> cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp
[08:36] <eyequeue> tweek:  okay, you need to make those changes "stick"
[08:36] <tweek> "/"
[08:36] <randabis> lol
[08:37] <tweek> can i use office as root?
[08:37] <tweek> thats my prefered text editor :)
[08:37] <|QuaD|> tweek: why would you want to
[08:37] <eyequeue> tweek:  make the changes, in nano, and then use control-o to write the changes
[08:37] <|QuaD|> tweek: why would u use it as root
[08:37] <|QuaD|> you shouldn't use ANYTHING as root
[08:37] <randabis> tweek: you could use gedit
[08:37] <randabis> tweek: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:37] <tweek> k
[08:37] <id_ID> tweak, sure... :-)
[08:37] <Tsjoklat> long time no speak |QuaD|
[08:38] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: hey whats up
[08:38] <|QuaD|> i was just by your home :)
[08:38] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, doing kubuntu.. how are you doing?
[08:38] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i am doing that now too :)
[08:38] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: good, yourself?
[08:38] <tweek> i saved twice
[08:38] <eyequeue> tweek:  cat it again, just to see
[08:39] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, good beans! are you doing warty or hoary? and I am doing great thank you
[08:39] <tweek> it looks to have stuck
[08:39] <tweek> :)
[08:39] <eyequeue> tweek:  then re-run sudo apt-get update (and see if you see it fetch any files) and then rerun that "wc" line
[08:39] <tweek> tweek@AMDwinchester:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[08:39] <tweek> E: Malformed line 23 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[08:39] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i am installing warty now.... removing gtk (and whatever depends on it)... then updating to hoary... then adding kubuntu :)
[08:39] <|QuaD|> you seem chipper tonight
[08:40] <eyequeue> tweek:  stick a # in front of line 23, you don't need it anyway
[08:40] <tweek> ok
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, you must have read my mind lol.. that's what I am doing too
[08:40] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: lol.... we are like soulmates
[08:40] <|QuaD|> haha
[08:40] <|QuaD|> are you doing it in qemu or on a real system?
[08:40] <eyequeue> tweek:  that's the sourceforge line
[08:40] <tweek> k
[08:40] <K-Rich> kubuntu ? just a guess KDE ?
[08:40] <eyequeue> tweek:  # comments a line out
[08:40] <randabis> yeah you don't really need that
[08:40] <|QuaD|> K-Rich: yeah... no gnome
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, real system... my testbox... going to write an article about it.. got to do it for reals huh
[08:40] <randabis> K-Rich: yes, soon
[08:41] <id_ID> everybody, my computer is under proxy.. it's can't run apt-get...?? if i use synaptics...it's can work...how to setting this proxy in apt-get..??
[08:41] <K-Rich> |QuaD|: sad... i like gnome
[08:41] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i wish i could.... i only have one box... who you write for?
[08:41] <randabis> K-Rich: then use ubuntu
[08:41] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I want to see kynaptic.. lol
[08:41] <tweek> :(
[08:41] <tweek> 0 0 0
[08:41] <eyequeue> tweek:  while you're in there comment out the extra multiverse line at the end, with another # in front
[08:41] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, the NL team of ubuntu
[08:41] <|QuaD|> K-Rich: i like the speed of gnome, but kde altogher
[08:41] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: NL?
[08:41] <tweek> k
[08:41] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, The Netherlands..
[08:41] <|QuaD|> i thought you are from cali
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I am very much Dutch :)
[08:42] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: lol
[08:42] <eyequeue> tweek:  then re-run sudo apt-get update (after each edit of sources.lsit)
[08:42] <K-Rich> |QuaD|: the only think i like about KDE that i cant figure out how to do in gnome is make the application menus appear on the panel (al MacOS)
[08:42] <tweek> k
[08:42] <K-Rich> s/al/a'la
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, just not living there lol
[08:42] <|QuaD|> K-Rich: lets not do a kde/gnome debate here :)
[08:42] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: haha... i want to live in cali :)
[08:43] <|QuaD|> just had my first in and out burger
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, no you don't :)
[08:43] <K-Rich> |QuaD|: i agree :)   you wouldn't know how to do that though would you?  Or anyone for that matter?
[08:43] <poningru> anyone here familiar with ubuntu live cd?
[08:43] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: if i can find a decent job out there... i am there
[08:43] <|QuaD|> K-Rich: nope, i am a kde man at heart :)
[08:43] <eyequeue> tweek:  apt-cache show wine | wc
[08:43] <randabis> openoffice is a bastard :p
[08:43] <tweek> still 0 0 0
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I shall hope (but I don't need to.. er is no work in Cali) that you won't find a job then :)
[08:43] <randabis> how about sudo apt-cache search wine?
[08:43] <tweek> i now like gedit :)
[08:44] <poningru> anyone know how they make the win installers?
[08:44] <poningru> in the live cd
[08:44] <K-Rich> |QuaD|: damn man, i'd almost kill for a double-double from in-and-out :/
[08:44] <eyequeue> tweek:  grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list | grep "^ deb "
[08:44] <randabis> poningru: what do you mean?
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> tweek abiword is pretty good
[08:44] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: haha.... thanks i guess :).... i am going to go to the linuxworld expo soon and hopefully get my resume out soon
[08:44] <poningru> you know how if you put in the live cd during windows
[08:44] <|QuaD|> blah
[08:44] <|QuaD|> going on wed
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, there are nicer places to live surely :P
[08:44] <|QuaD|> hopefully get something out of it soon
[08:45] <|QuaD|> i love boston
[08:45] <eyequeue> tweek:  you're having more fun with this file than any user has a right :)
[08:45] <tweek> eye there was no output for that so i think it worked?
[08:45] <jamin_l> uhm hey guys... what's the terminal command to find out what processes are using a device? (sda1)
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, England for example
[08:45] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i like america
[08:45] <|QuaD|> haha
[08:45] <|QuaD|> born and raised here
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, well try Montana hahaha
[08:45] <poningru> it opens up a autorun that lists a bunch of oss to install
[08:45] <jamin_l> i'm trying to unmount my camera but it doesn't want to unmount because it's busy somewhere
[08:45] <randabis> tweek: you should have got output I think
[08:45] <poningru> ps aux
[08:45] <poningru> jamin:
[08:45] <tweek> nope,
[08:45] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: is there broadband access and jobs there?
[08:45] <eyequeue> tweek:  grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list (don't paste, i'll ask you about the output)
[08:45] <Xenguy> jamin_l: lsof or fuser might help
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, yes last I heard
[08:46] <crimsun> jamin_l: use lsof with the mount point, not the physical device
[08:46] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: thats kind of a requirement :)
[08:46] <tweek> k
[08:46] <tweek> i got 4 lines
[08:46] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i am more of a city guy though
[08:46] <mebaran151> ismt there a whole site dedicated to why not to use cat
[08:46] <crimsun> moin Tsjoklat, |QuaD|
[08:46] <jamin_l> can you tell me what lsof does & if i should use any switches or anything with it?
[08:46] <|QuaD|> hey crimsun
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> hey crimsun
[08:46] <eyequeue> tweek:  actually do paste the single deb line, not the deb-src line
[08:46] <eyequeue> lsof (8)             - list open files
[08:46] <Xenguy> jamin_l: it does an 'ls' of OpenFiles
[08:47] <tweek> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[08:47] <Xenguy> =lsof
[08:47] <|QuaD|> and i have no food
[08:47] <tweek> i only have ramen wich i hate
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, start your own city
[08:47] <eyequeue> tweek:  are you a student? (ramen)
[08:47] <tweek> ya
[08:47] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: like in simcity/lincity
[08:48] <eyequeue> tweek:  k, sudo apt-get update
[08:48] <|QuaD|> i am not good at those games.... my cities usually die :)
[08:48] <crimsun> tweek: pad thai >> ramen
[08:48] <tweek> pad thai =?
[08:48] <|QuaD|> crimsun: pad thai = 10xcost of ramen
[08:48] <crimsun> tweek: thai noodles
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, have you played Sims2?
[08:48] <eyequeue> tweek:  your line looks good, so this should fetch something
[08:48] <tweek> ah
[08:48] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: no windows ;(
[08:48] <|QuaD|> is it good?
[08:48] <tweek> it didnt :(
[08:48] <crimsun> |QuaD|: thankfully not here :)
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, very much so!
[08:48] <Amaranth> |QuaD|: Great trick for Sim City 2000: Make a small city that just makes a little bit of money every year then make time go really fast and go watch a movie.
[08:49] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: is there a linux version yet?
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> ramen?
[08:49] <eyequeue> pad thai are tastier, better noodles, though a bit pricier too
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, only from the first edition.. Sims1
[08:49] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: cup a noodle soup = ramen, but ramen is cheaper
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> do I want to know what ramen is? it does sound horrid
[08:49] <tweek> i like ramen in a cub because it has veggies :)
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, pad thai is good
[08:49] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: they aren't horrible.... they actaully aren't bad at all
[08:49] <tweek> cup
[08:49] <eyequeue> tweek:  i'm heading out the front door on foot, i'll bring you the file, lol
[08:49] <tweek> ok!
[08:49] <Amaranth> ramen noodles that you have to boil and then add seasoning to?
[08:50] <|QuaD|> Amaranth: yeah
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> doesn't it taste like plastic? lol
[08:50] <Amaranth> I love the creamy chicken flavor.
[08:50] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: no, they are actually decent
[08:50] <tweek> eyequeue is it possible to do it over sshd?
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I don't know.. if you say it is good it probably isn't :)
[08:51] <Amaranth> tweek: If you trusted someone you could temporarily unlock the root account and let them fix it.
[08:51] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: thanks a lot :) they aren't great... but for something quick and easy, they do the trick
[08:51] <|QuaD|> they are SUPER cheap
[08:51] <tweek> well il tell my freind
[08:51] <tweek> brb
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, well you have to admit.. you do have a funny taste for food
[08:51] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: haha, why do you say that? (i forget what i have told you :0) )
[08:51] <Amaranth> ramen noodles are about $0.10-$0.17, can't be beat
[08:51] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i pretty much eat anything other than fish
[08:51] <tweek> :)
[08:52] <tweek> fish is the suck
[08:52] <tweek> cept grouper
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I do remember what you told me before... and it was highly frightning
[08:52] <eyequeue> tweek:  ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[08:52] <alka_trash> Mmmm Sushi
[08:52] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: haha.... i eat anything :)
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, rest my case :)
[08:52] <eyequeue> tweek:  i want to see all about that file :)
[08:52] <tweek> k
[08:52] <tweek> pm you it?
[08:52] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: can't blame a poor 21 y/o for taking what he can get!
[08:53] <|QuaD|> before i went to college, i was the PICKIEST eater
[08:53] <eyequeue> tweek:  feel free (this btw is the file we've been working to get for you, so you can get wine)
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, if you say so :) being poor never prevented me from not eating right
[08:53] <tweek> you mgiht like this, No such file or directory
[08:53] <tweek> :(
[08:53] <eyequeue> tweek:  okay, that's consistent
[08:53] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: want to cook for me :)
[08:53] <eyequeue> tweek:  that means apt-get update hasn't fetched it yet
[08:53] <tweek> k
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, offer still stands.. come on over
[08:54] <tweek> why would it get 1386
[08:54] <tweek> im on amd64
[08:54] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: you should have told me last week when i was in sf
[08:54] <eyequeue> tweek:  i have to ask this, though i suspect i know:  you don't happen to have "screen" installed there do you?
[08:54] <eyequeue> tweek:  ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[08:54] <tweek> i have vnc
[08:54] <eyequeue> tweek:  ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-*_Packages
[08:55] <eyequeue> tweek:  oh wait a sec, let me check something on the archive
[08:55] <tweek> k
[08:55] <tweek> heres the output of that tho
[08:56] <delltony> anyone mind helping me get dcc sends working with xchat ? i have enabled ports 1024 to 65535 on my router but nothing seems to give
[08:56] <tweek> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      9491991 2004-10-20 03:27 /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-amd64_Packages
[08:56] <tweek> oops
[08:56] <tweek> i dislike this client o.0
[08:57] <Amaranth> delltony: I believe X-Chat has an option where you can fill in the IP address you're using. I can't remember if it needs to be the local IP or the router's IP but sometimes it's required.
[08:57] <delltony> well i look at the info and it shows my correct ip which is strange
[08:57] <delltony> and i see it in netstat -tlnp listening on 1024 for the send to ack
[08:57] <Tsjoklat> my attention is needed by another rig.. in and out
[08:58] <delltony> but i can receive all day long just never sedn
[08:58] <mebaran151> is there anyway to make my gtk1.2 apps look better
[08:58] <mebaran151> they have such awful fonting
[08:58] <|QuaD|> my warty install has been on the same step for a while!
[08:59] <|QuaD|> "registering documentation, please wait!"
[09:00] <mebaran151> Quad
[09:00] <mebaran151> you might have frozen
[09:00] <jamin_l> I figured it out.  I had gThumb open.
[09:00] <|QuaD|> mebaran151
[09:00] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: i doubt it
[09:00] <mebaran151> ah
[09:00] <mebaran151> it matters what you mean by quite awhile
[09:00] <GammaRay> mebaran151: gtk-theme-switch2
[09:00] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: 20 minutes
[09:00] <mebaran151> I see quite awhile as five days
[09:00] <GammaRay> mebaran151: err gtk-theme-switch rather.. not 2
[09:01] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: its ok... its just slow
[09:01] <mebaran151> hehe
[09:01] <mebaran151> ok
[09:01] <mebaran151> good
[09:02] <crimsun> mebaran151: gtk1 has a hackish attempt at adding antialiasing
[09:02] <mebaran151> hey
[09:02] <mebaran151> could I see it
[09:02] <crimsun> you have to export GDK_USE_XFT=1
[09:02] <mebaran151> it cant look worst that it is
[09:03] <crimsun> and possibly LD_PRELOAD some lib
[09:03] <mebaran151> how would I do that for say XMMS
[09:03] <crimsun> google for gtk1 antialias
[09:03] <mebaran151> cool
[09:03] <crimsun> mebaran151: sudo aptitude install beep-media-player
[09:03] <mebaran151> does it do everything xmms does
[09:03] <GammaRay> no offense but I find aa quite terrible looking myself.
[09:03] <crimsun> mebaran151: xmms with a gtk2 ui
[09:04] <crimsun> forked from xmms 1.2.xish
[09:04] <mebaran151> heheh
[09:04] <mebaran151> I shall look at it
[09:05] <GammaRay> aa, "lets make fonts look better by squinting"
[09:06] <mebaran151> well beep-media-player doesnt want to laod
[09:06] <KevMan> Mornin all
[09:06] <mebaran151> any ideas
[09:07] <hoary> everybody, any body know whereis source to install eclipse...??
[09:07] <welly> Hello all
[09:07] <mebaran151> Hello
[09:09] <mebaran151> ok
[09:09] <mebaran151> do I need pass anything special to beep
[09:09] <siimo> hoary: ?
[09:10] <|QuaD|> FINALLY it finnished
[09:10] <crimsun> mebaran151: nope
[09:10] <mebaran151> hmm
[09:10] <mebaran151> can it load with XMMS in the bkgrnd
[09:10] <crimsun> mebaran151: start it from the terminal and look at the output
[09:10] <crimsun> mebaran151: close xmms first
[09:10] <siimo> hoary:  apt-get install eclipse-platform it should be in ubuntu ?
[09:10] <mebaran151> ok
[09:10] <mebaran151> I will
[09:12] <marcin_ant> hi all
[09:12] <marcin_ant> could someone help me with java?
[09:12] <|QuaD|> marcin_ant: www.ubuntuguide.com
[09:12] <marcin_ant> I installed j2sdk1.5.0 with apt
[09:12] <marcin_ant> as described here
[09:12] <marcin_ant> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[09:13] <marcin_ant> but now I cannot remove this package
[09:13] <mebaran151> after xmms finishes recording tchaivosky
[09:13] <mebaran151> oh those russians
[09:13] <OrangeSlice> the person who can decipher this command gets a cookie: sed -i -e':a;N;$!ba;s/\n//g'
[09:13] <OrangeSlice> :p
[09:13] <crimsun> rachmaninov
[09:13] <mebaran151> shostakovich
[09:13] <mebaran151> stravinsky
[09:13] <mebaran151> Borodin'
[09:13] <hoary> siimo, i can't get it from the source.. :(
[09:13] <mebaran151> Mussourgsky
[09:13] <crimsun> prince igor
[09:14] <crimsun> & dance of the potslovian dance
[09:14] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: I know but I don't have problem with installation - I want to remove but package is broken
[09:14] <crimsun> miss hahn plays a mean shostakovich, too
[09:14] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: can you help?
[09:14] <mebaran151> can it use xmms modules
[09:15] <mebaran151> like my flac module
[09:15] <mebaran151> beep media player
[09:15] <|QuaD|> marcin_ant: whats the errors
[09:15] <mebaran151> and why doesnt it support the modern alsa
[09:15] <crimsun> mebaran151: it absolutely supports alsa.
[09:15] <|QuaD|> tsjoklat didn't even say good bye!
[09:15] <tsjubu> marcin, sudo rm -rf ?
[09:15] <|QuaD|> hehe
[09:15] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:15] <mebaran151> I just found that
[09:15] <mebaran151> sorry
[09:15] <mebaran151> I jump to conclusion
[09:15] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: the problem is that package installed files in /usr/lib/sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[09:15] <mebaran151> but can it play flac
[09:15] <crimsun> mebaran151: absolutely
[09:16] <mebaran151> all my cd's are flacced
[09:16] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: but when I'm trying to apt-get remove
[09:16] <mebaran151> cool
[09:16] <mebaran151> using the xmms stuff
[09:16] <tezza> how do i remove .deb's that i have added?
[09:16] <mebaran151> which is better for mp3 decoding
[09:16] <mebaran151> mad or mpg123
[09:16] <crimsun> tezza: sudo aptitude remowe foo
[09:16] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: then it complains that for example "/usr/bin/idlj": No such file or directory
[09:16] <crimsun> mebaran151: mpg123 is probably "faster" on your system because it has a fpu
[09:17] <mebaran151> oh and crimsun, can it use mplayer to player movies
[09:17] <mebaran151> ah yes
[09:17] <mebaran151> fixed point arithmetic is all the rage these days
[09:17] <siimo> tezza: or dpkg -r
[09:17] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: scripts wants to remove files from /usr while they are in /usr/lib/sun-j2sdk
[09:18] <mebaran151> does beep media use the xmms plugins
[09:18] <crimsun> mebaran151: it can, but you should use versions compiled for b-m-p
[09:18] <mebaran151> ok
[09:19] <crimsun> mebaran151: as for mplayer, I don't believe it can
[09:19] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:20] <mebaran151> I will be stuck with xmms for all my DivX
[09:20] <mebaran151> doesnt look like it does video
[09:20] <mebaran151> but it does what I need it to
[09:20] <OrangeSlice> or actually use mplayer.
[09:20] <mebaran151> so it is fine
[09:20] <mebaran151> OrangeSlice, blasphemy!
[09:20] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: what can I do with this crap?
[09:21] <mebaran151> but mplayer has the same font problem
[09:21] <OrangeSlice> indeed, I prefer totem/gstreamer myself.
[09:21] <mebaran151> I think it must have a gui based on gtk1.2 as well
[09:21] <mebaran151> I will see if totem will open my DivX
[09:21] <mebaran151> a whole bunch of shows my friend gave me
[09:22] <OrangeSlice> I think ubuntu comes with totem-xine, which works quite well itself
[09:22] <Neil3> it will
[09:22] <Neil3> i use totem-xine
[09:22] <OrangeSlice> gstreamer supports more formats though
[09:22] <OrangeSlice> so I use it
[09:22] <mebaran151> I will be damned
[09:22] <Neil3> gstreamer totem had problems for me
[09:23] <tsjubu> i use totem-xine
[09:23] <OrangeSlice> plus autoloading subtitles from a file is nice
[09:23] <mebaran151> I guess since they added ffmpeg to Gstreamer
[09:23] <mebaran151> it works out
[09:23] <mebaran151> the anime I got from my friend hardcoded on the disk
[09:23] <mebaran151> which is both annoying
[09:23] <mebaran151> but utterly necessary
[09:24] <mebaran151> ffmpeg is the video codec of mplayer right
[09:24] <mebaran151> too bad gstreamer stutters
[09:24] <mebaran151> it was nice
[09:25] <eyequeue> btw, for anyone curious, the wine problem turned out to be that it was only available for the i386 platform :(
[09:25] <crimsun> eyequeue: if you're on amd64, try running wine within a 32-bit chroot
[09:25] <tweek> im on the amd ,but i dont know how to do that
[09:26] <eyequeue> crimsun:  it's tweek, and he was looking to apt-get it, but it doesn't exist for non-i386 i now see
[09:26] <crimsun> tweek: use debootstrap with --arch=i386
[09:26] <crimsun> tweek: there are helpful hints on the wiki
[09:26] <|QuaD|> anyone here familiar with qemu?
[09:26] <tweek> and this allows me to run as a i386?
[09:27] <crimsun> tweek: well essentially you'll have a 32-bit ubuntu install chrooted in some directory
[09:27] <tweek> your over my head :)
[09:27] <duckdown> Wow, I totally overlooked the beautiful job debian did with the base gnome
[09:27] <randabis> finally :p
[09:27] <duckdown> I just chose to install it this time around
[09:28] <duckdown> err not debian
[09:28] <duckdown> ubuntu
[09:29] <crimsun> tweek: search on the wiki for it
[09:29] <tweek> ok
[09:35] <duckdown> if you're using --append-to-version , is there a point to setting a name inside make menuconfig?
[09:36] <crimsun> duckdown: not really
[09:36] <duckdown> :D
[09:46] <duckdown> quietest i've ever seen it :]
[09:46] <tweek> can anyone help me wit a compileing error?
[09:46] <tweek> with
[09:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> hi there ^_^
[09:46] <duckdown> 8]
[09:47] <tweek> hello
[09:48] <tweek> i get this error when i try to ./configure wine   checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:50] <eyequeue> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:50] <tweek> i have it
[09:50] <Bubbling_Zombie> is it possible to use a windows share as a temporary repository ? just to install ndiswrapper
[09:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> or is it better to compile from source
[09:51] <tolstoy_> nvidia messed up again with the latest hoary kernel builds?
[09:52] <welly> hey, i'm trying to install ubuntu from a burnt ISO file. i've stuffed the disc in the drive and it starts to boot up then I'm getting an "invalid compression format" error or something
[09:52] <welly> any ideas what that is about?
[09:54] <ivan> woohoo a wiki
[09:54] <Bubbling_Zombie> nm, found it
[09:55] <tjs> anyone running hoary on a dell inspiron 9200?
[09:55] <ivan> can i resize ntfs partitions from the live cd?
[09:55] <tjs> I just finished installing it, it hangs after a minute
[09:56] <tjs> total lock up, cant alt-ctrl-f1, sys-req-b.. anything
[09:57] <crimsun> tjs: running latest hoary kernel? the security and inotify patches have been reverted.
[09:58] <tjs> oh
[09:58] <tweek> how do i get cvs?
[09:59] <tweek> apt-get cvs?
[09:59] <tjs> I'll check the kernel version once ive finished settuing up *cough* XP on another partition
[09:59] <tweek> :)
[09:59] <crimsun> 'night. :)
[09:59] <tweek> it worked
[09:59] <eyequeue> tweek:  close, sudo apt-get install cvs
[09:59] <tweek> got it ;P
[10:00] <eyequeue> tweek:  sudo apt-get install cvsd if you want to create your own local repositories
[10:01] <tweek> na i just wanted to get some source for a game
[10:03] <tweek> hmmm
[10:03] <tweek> :(
[10:03] <tweek> is there a way to get everything evel slightly related to compileing so i never have to update again
[10:03] <tweek> every*
[10:04] <maps73> hi, who know the similar command line for gnome? kprinter --stdin
[10:05] <senectus> I've been re-arranging my partitions.. and I think I've broken it :-( If I do a "v" in fdisk I get "62 unallocated sectors
[10:05] <senectus> "
[10:06] <senectus> Can I recover it?
[10:07] <Amaranth> tweek: Not unless you want to get all the -dev packages, for a start.
[10:07] <tweek> get-apt install *dev?
[10:07] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get install *-dev
[10:08] <Amaranth> watch how large that is :P
[10:08] <tweek> i dont mind :)
[10:08] <maps73> hi, who know the similar command line for gnome? kprinter --stdin
[10:08] <Amaranth> maps73: Nope, can't say I can.
[10:08] <Amaranth> senectus: Ouch, no idea.
[10:08] <Amaranth> Didn't want you guys to think I was just ignoring you. :P
[10:10] <senectus> Amaranth, it gets worse.. I get this wjen I try to write the changes to the disk:
[10:10] <senectus> Command (m for help): w
[10:10] <senectus> The partition table has been altered!
[10:10] <senectus> Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.
[10:10] <senectus> WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy.
[10:10] <senectus> The kernel still uses the old table.
[10:10] <senectus> The new table will be used at the next reboot.
[10:10] <senectus> Syncing disks.
[10:10] <senectus> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu #
[10:10] <tweek> Amaranth have you heard of guichan?
[10:10] <Amaranth> nope
[10:10] <tweek> =\
[10:10] <tweek> i guess its a library i need to compile a game
[10:11] <Amaranth> google for it
[10:11] <tweek> :)
[10:11] <tweek> i <3 google
[10:11] <Amaranth> senectus: When you reopen fdisk are the changes still there?
[10:11] <senectus> Amaranth, yes
[10:12] <senectus> but It has the control-D error that doesn't let it boot properly
[10:12] <tjs> gah, you cant use the live cd as a rescue cd?
[10:12] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hiho
[10:12] <Amaranth> tjs: Sure you can.
[10:12] <tjs> which boot option?
[10:13] <tjs> I just need to reinstate grub in the mbr
[10:15] <tweek> if i make> make install, its already been installed and i dont have to mess with it anymore right? o.0
[10:15] <kent> Is there some way to the textwindow in xchat scroll over more text? i got up this morning and saw that some one sent me a message in a channel, but i could not see it in the window, i had to open the logs by hand. :( since "less" can open a large log-file without to much cpu/memory usage, perhaps xchat can aswell?
[10:16] <scizzo> kent: is there no /lastlog or something?
[10:17] <kent> scizzo, thanks :)
[10:22] <[NikO] > hello
[10:23] <duckdown> what the hell? how come when I run apt-get it wants me to insert my CD?
[10:23] <TheMuso> duckdown: You have very likely got your CD in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[10:23] <TheMuso> As in, apt is pointed to your CD.
[10:24] <AndyR> un-tick cd in symantic repository if thats what you use
[10:24] <duckdown> symantec?
[10:24] <duckdown> for linux? haha
[10:25] <duckdown> yeah it was in sources.list .. fixed thanks
[10:25] <[NikO] > could someone now how to have ubuntu installed on a external usb2 drive
[10:25] <El_Che> polypaudio? mmm
[10:25] <El_Che> now I feel bleeding edge :)
[10:26] <AndyR> synaptic even, its early :))
[10:26] <duckdown> AndyR,  i know, im just playin :D
[10:27] <maps73> a question. i'm using firefox 0.9.3 and i want instal the firefox 1.0. I'm downloading firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz. It's difficult install it? thank you in advance
[10:27] <OrangeSlice> you could apt-get it from warty-backports
[10:28] <mlambie_> maps73: I used a deb and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgraded
[10:28] <mlambie_> i'll get the repository...
[10:29] <mlambie_> maps73: I *think* it's: deb http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/ubuntu warty-updates main universe
[10:30] <maps73> ok, I just done. it's very very easy. i just finisched
[10:43] <svenl> Hi.
[10:44] <svenl> I am trying to debootstrap a ubuntu system from an installed debian.
[10:45] <svenl> Can i simply reuse the ubuntu /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts with the debian debootstrap package ? Or do i need something particular ?
[10:45] <dredg> svenl: works for me (tm)
[10:46] <senectus> aaarrgghh@
[10:47] <senectus> my /dev/hda partition table is broken :-( not my install wont let me boot.. I can still get to the data but I can make it boot off the install
[10:48] <ryan_> are there defragmentation tools ?
[10:49] <svenl> dredg: you just copied the hoary/warthy scripts over ?
[10:49] <dredg> svenl: yeah
[10:49] <svenl> dredg: and debootstrap will do a base system like debian, and then i have to install all the graphical stuff ?
[10:50] <dredg> debootstrap will only install what it's told to
[10:53] <svenl> yep, working :)
[10:54] <svenl> need to do some post-debootstrap config probably though.
[10:55] <svenl> Now i need to run it with the debian powerpc kernel, and it should run happily.
[10:55] <d3vic3> anyone from portugal?
[11:02] <svenl> Damn, it failed, with some message about no /mnt/usr/sbin/sendmail in the configuring base system step :/
[11:04] <gawie> hi is there someone who can tell me why this distro does not come with a mp3 player???
[11:04] <svenl> gawie: it probably does but you didn't find it.
[11:05] <hypatia> Would http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePythonTransitionTODO be an appropriate place to mention that the offlineimap dependencies are broken? (it depends on the profiler)
[11:05] <hypatia> (offlineimap is in universe)
[11:06] <searcher`> gawie: add multiverse and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:07] <searcher`> there's your mp3 plugin
[11:07] <searcher`> (might have to re-register your plugins)
[11:09] <senectus> how do you format a fs to be swap?
[11:10] <eyequeue> mkswap
[11:10] <senectus> ahh thats it thanks.. (brain fart :-P )
[11:10] <eyequeue> np
[11:10] <senectus> I shoulda remembered that from my gentoo days :-)
[11:11] <senectus> oookay.. reboot time.. *fingers crossed*
[11:17] <searcher`> reboot to activate a swap partition?
[11:23] <PoitEr`AuS> hey, guys how u goin, i'm a complete newb at Linux and i'm just wondering if someone can help me on what is the command in linux to enter Desktop
[11:24] <PoitEr`AuS> ? :)
[11:24] <OrangeSlice> uh...
[11:24] <OrangeSlice> what do you mean exactly
[11:25] <PoitEr`AuS> i'm sorry i mean does Ubuntu come with a Desktop, eg Windows Xp Desktop, or Mac OS Desktop with icons
[11:25] <PoitEr`AuS> like trash bla bla bla..??? :)
[11:25] <OrangeSlice> yes
[11:25] <OrangeSlice> ubuntu comes with a desktop
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> ok kool, lol i'm a bit lost i know like the basic commands, but i dont know how to load up he Desktop
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> it goes to the command screen
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> oh so it didn't start up automatically?
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> :)
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> nop
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> nvidia card?
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> Raedon
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[11:27] <OrangeSlice> nvidia has better drivers :p
[11:27] <PoitEr`AuS> 9200 128meg
[11:27] <PoitEr`AuS> hmm, could it be, that it didnt detect my card,
[11:27] <PoitEr`AuS> ?
[11:30] <PoitEr`AuS> any ideas? :)
[11:31] <JsPr> PoitEr`AuS: Have you tried to execute startx from the command line after login?
[11:32] <PoitEr`AuS> nop and dont know what da hell dat is :)
[11:33] <JsPr> well, it should start your desktop (window manager) if you have it installed.
[11:34] <PoitEr`AuS> nop well den its not installed hmmm, how would i be able to install that on, sorry for knowin so little mate just tryin to learn the basics
[11:35] <Mr_Smiley> haha well you should have it installed, what happens when you type startx?
[11:36] <mjr> PoitEr`AuS, I had a detection problem with my 9250 that was fixed by replacing 'Driver "ati"' in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 with 'Driver "radeon"'. Dunno if that works for you, but maybe worth a shot.
[11:37] <BigIslan1> Any guesses how many months or years before I can use Ubuntu linux with my PowerBook G4 and get online through a T-Mobile Motorola V600 when I'm not able to get online through the university wireless through the built in, yet currently unsupported Airport Extreme hardware?  Basically, in very ballpark terms when will these things work and when will the software update facility be easy enough for a beginner like my grandma?
[11:38] <PoitEr`AuS> ok kool thanks all u guys, heaps of help Thanks heaps
[11:38] <PoitEr`AuS> cheers mate, take it easy guys
[11:40] <c-foo> does living in malaysia make my long-ordered CDs take aeons to arrive?
[11:41] <svenl> Mmm, Seems debootstrap dies while complaining about a missing dpkg_progress command ?
[11:41] <membreya> does anyone have a tutorial on how to convert divx files to a DVD?
[11:41] <membreya> in windows I just use nero :|
[11:42] <c-foo> been waiting for more than 4 months, CDs still won't arrive
[11:42] <OrangeSlice> I never got mine
[11:42] <OrangeSlice> and I was in the first shipment back in November
[11:42] <c-foo> me too
[11:42] <TheJester667> hi everyone
[11:43] <c-foo> i guess being in asia makes me inaccessible, mail wise
[11:43] <OrangeSlice> I'm in the USA, I still didn't get mine ._.
[11:44] <c-foo> i wonder what shipping company Canonical engaged...
[11:44] <MyNameIsChris> Does anyone have any idea how long it takes for ubuntu cds to make it to Australia?
[11:44] <MyNameIsChris> using shipit
[11:44] <membreya> why not just download it MyNameIsChris ?
[11:44] <membreya> takes about 10 mins ;)
[11:44] <TheJester667> i got one of the november cds... germany westfalia..
[11:45] <c-foo> lucky you
[11:45] <MyNameIsChris> Because single-channel isdn is not your friend
[11:45] <OrangeSlice> I think our mailman stole mine
[11:45] <membreya> ouch
[11:45] <membreya> 128k? ;)
[11:45] <membreya> 64k? :P
[11:45] <MyNameIsChris> Yep
[11:45] <MyNameIsChris> 64k
[11:45] <membreya> definately ouch
[11:45] <OrangeSlice> :(
[11:45] <membreya> out whoop whoop?
[11:46] <c-foo> i think i'm qualified to be called a neanderthal
[11:47] <c-foo> neanderthal with a lappy
[11:47] <membreya> portable cave paintings c-foo ? :P
[11:48] <BigIslan1>  ok, how about this, when is bluetooth and airport extreme gonna be supported in linux ppc, approximately :-)
[11:48] <OrangeSlice> never.  get a pc :p
[11:48] <Arago> Hi, i have a trrouble with gnome. I can't add launcher. I'm using warty. Any idea ?
[11:48] <membreya> Arago: right clicked on the panel? :P
[11:48] <membreya> or are you trying to add it to the menus?
[11:49] <Arago> membreya > to menus; and tryed both with mouse dx and nautilus. none works
[11:49] <c-foo> might as well take a flight to africa and get those CDs myself
[11:50] <c-foo> a lil over the edge, i might add
[11:50] <membreya> I can't use the nautilus commands either..says cannot display location
[11:51] <Arago> membreya > mine works. But menus don't update. With nautilus i can see the file but not in menus.
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> I think they shipped from switzerland
[11:52] <membreya> Arago: have you restarted your gnome? gnome is having trouble updating
[11:52] <membreya> you might want to open a console
[11:52] <membreya> and sudo killall gnome-panel
[11:52] <c-foo> what are those CDs doing in Switzerland?
[11:52] <Arago> membreya > i restart pc every day .. it's a NB without suspend to disk .
[11:53] <Arago> no way
[11:53] <c-foo> my guess is, they had to randomly send out CDs cuz they cant afford to send everyone CDs, or i'm just wrong
[11:54] <jk> hmm anyone noticed pcre breakage in php in hoary?
[11:56] <svenl> dredg: where did you get the scripts from ? hoary or warty ?
[11:57] <dredg> hoary
[11:57] <svenl> dredg: seems the hoary ones have dpkg_progress which is not in debian/sid.
[11:58] <svenl> dredg: maybe it is a recent addition.
[11:58] <dredg> svenl: ah, haven't done it in a while... anything could have been added
[11:58] <svenl> chaged it to plain progress, should work, i think.
[11:59] <Arago> brb
[11:59] <MSG43> hi
[11:59] <MSG43> i need help
[12:00] <MSG43> I need to install ndiswraper. It not on the ubuntu cd, and I get an error whenever I run make and make install
[12:00] <MSG43> view the error here http://www.pastebin.com/242008 please help
[12:00] <Amaranth> MSG43: Don't install from source.
[12:01] <TheJester667> Amaranth, is there a reason why not?
[12:01] <MSG43> then how do I install? I tried to install from deb and it didn't work
[12:01] <MSG43> and I don't have an internet connection on my linux box it wireless
[12:01] <Amaranth> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[12:01] <Amaranth> oh
[12:02] <Amaranth> does it have ethernet?
[12:02] <MSG43> yes but I can't connect to the internet it in the other room
[12:02] <TheJester667> ah ok. thanks
[12:03] <MSG43> plus I might need to install an other package using source
[12:03] <El_Che> any more info on the polypaudio switch in hoary?
[12:03] <christopher_> hey
[12:04] <christopher_> which gcc should i install 3.3 or 3.4
[12:04] <christopher_> is there any compatibility issues?
[12:04] <christopher_> *are
[12:05] <svenl> dredg: oh well, didn't work :/
[12:05] <svenl> will try to get warty scripts.
[12:05] <MSG43> well I gtg hopegully I can get help when i come home hopefully I don't have to ditch ubuntu
[12:05] <mrkookz> Anyone have any tips as to how to get into Webmin once installed?  I'm using https and port 10000 but it's rejecting the root username and password...
[12:06] <Div> I want to access /etc/rc.d/init.d/ but only rc0-6&S.d exists how do I navigate please suggest resource material to read - newbie to linux
[12:07] <scoon> Div, man update-rc.d
[12:07] <membreya> wooohooo.... I finally got tv-out working! :P
[12:07] <membreya> now I just have to figure out how to not stretch my desktop
[12:11] <membreya> does anyone here run tv-out? all my apps are opening off screen (ie on the TV)
[12:12] <Nermal> membreya, lol.. it working a little too well ? :)
[12:12] <membreya> all I need is a 100hz tv and I wouldn't care ;)
[12:12] <Nermal> is it an ATI card ?
[12:12] <AndyFitz> how the hell did upgrading ubuntu-base break my xsession stuff
[12:12] <membreya> nermal? isn't that the female kitten in garfield? :P
[12:12] <AndyFitz> -  -  in hoary
[12:13] <membreya> Nermal: it's nvidia
[12:13] <Nermal> erm.. no.. it's a he - his cousin
[12:13] <membreya> ooooooooooooooh
[12:13] <Nermal> membreya, humm.. isn't there a util for switching ?
[12:13] <Nermal> one sec :)
[12:13] <membreya> i just got it all working in my xorg.conf
[12:13] <membreya> no util
[12:15] <Nermal>  http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out/
[12:15] <Nermal> "This is a tool to enable TV-Out on Linux for NVidia cards. It does not need the kernel, supports multiple TV encoder chips. You may use all the features of the chip, down to direct register access, and all resolutions and sizes the chip supports."
[12:15] <Nermal> hrm
[12:15] <Nermal> might be in apt.. dunno
[12:16] <membreya> there has to be a xorg.conf setting to get everything to open on desktop .otherwise when the tv is off >:(
[12:17] <muscibot> hi all
[12:17] <muscibot> can any1 tell me how to get a java virtual machine
[12:17] <JsPr> nvtv is in apt but I didn't get it to work with my Ti4200 card... :-(
[12:19] <federa> hi everybody!!!
[12:19] <muscibot> huh?
[12:19] <membreya> muscibot: http://www.blackdown.org/
[12:19] <AndyFitz> g'day federa
[12:19] <muscibot> thnx
[12:20] <federa> does anyone knows the name of a proxy server for ubuntu??(i need it to use linux computer as a gateway for the win computer) tnx!!
[12:20] <muscibot> can any1 tell me about a prog where I can burn music cds
[12:21] <JsPr> federa: Squid?
[12:22] <federa> probably..my friend told me about this server, but i don't know the name
[12:23] <federa> how about "simpleproxy"?? it can be useful for me?
[12:24] <dud> just use squid... what can be simpler and better than good ol squid?
[12:24] <federa> i've never used a proxy...so i don't know what is good and what is bad  :D
[12:25] <membreya> well ...got tv out working..now all i need to figure out is how to burn divx files to DVD and how to burn music cd's and I can remove windows ...mwuahahaha
[12:25] <federa> i just need somethings to use the linux internet connection with windows computer
[12:26] <El_Che> yo, any idea if rhythmbox works with polypadio in hoary?
[12:27] <svenl> nope, definitively doesn't work oh well. I guess i need to install ubuntu to debootstrap ubuntu :/
[12:27] <muscibot> how did you guys get hoary?  I have warty...
[12:28] <membreya> muscibot: download it ? :)
[12:28] <El_Che> muscibot: is the unstable version
[12:28] <El_Che> muscibot: you can upgrade from warty, but it is a development version things change fast and sometimes brake
[12:28] <muscibot> yeah
[12:29] <muscibot> i guess
[12:29] <dredg> so they sometimes brake fast?
[12:29] <membreya> ...i sudo apt-get upgrade at least once a day :)
[12:29] <membreya> always new stuff coming down
[12:29] <AndyFitz> has anyone updated linux-image and or ubuntu-base and restarted their system ?
[12:29] <AndyFitz> in hoary
[12:30] <muscibot> but I cant this mointh...I maight cap
[12:30] <membreya> AndyFitz: ...the new version that came down in the last 24 hours?
[12:30] <AndyFitz> membreya, yep
[12:31] <membreya> ....only got it when I got home ....
[12:31] <membreya> about 1 hr ago
[12:31] <membreya> looking for anything in particular?
[12:31] <AndyFitz> im having some troubles logging back into gnome from gdm
[12:31] <membreya> hmmm ...hang on
[12:32] <federa> let's try squid..
[12:32] <Tsjoklat> wow AndyFitz are you the AndyFitz that makes the icons?
[12:33] <El_Che> last hoary kernel is b0rked when using madwifi
[12:33] <AndyFitz> er i guess so
[12:34] <Tsjoklat> love your work AndyFitz :) thanks for making them
[12:34] <muscibot> i think that Ill wait itill hoary is on cd
[12:34] <muscibot> i cant risk capping cos its a work line
[12:35] <AndyFitz> Tsjoklat,  thanks mate. I'm looking to complete them by alot more in the next 2-3 weeks
[12:35] <muscibot> HUMPH!!!!
[12:35] <muscibot> I cant get java to install
[12:35] <Tsjoklat> AndyFitz, is it true that you are going to make a set for KDE as well?
[12:35] <muscibot> AAAARRG!!!!
[12:36] <AndyFitz> Tsjoklat: yeah once im finished i see no reason not to.. its just renaming files
[12:36] <AndyFitz> but priority 1 is to get them actually done
[12:36] <Tsjoklat> AndyFitz, true.. will be nice for the Kubuntu release
[12:37] <flosch> hi
[12:38] <AndyFitz> cool well this should be done in time for inclusion in hoary so i guess hey could be in kubuntu.   etiquette will be in hoary under the human name / theme. possible with a palette modification
[12:38] <Tsjoklat> AndyFitz, yes I saw the changes you made... still awesome like everything you make
[12:40] <membreya> well rebooted
[12:40] <membreya> my nvidia module won't load anymore >:(
[12:40] <Nermal> :|
[12:41] <membreya> so bye bye tv out
[12:41] <membreya> I blame you
[12:41] <membreya> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[12:41] <membreya> Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[12:42] <Nermal> what does dmesg say ?
[12:42] <membreya> nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[12:43] <membreya> how to fix? :(
[12:43] <membreya> want my tv out back
[12:43] <El_Che> membreya: boot with the 2.6.10-3 kernel
[12:43] <El_Che> membreya: boot with the 2.6.10-2 kernel I mean
[12:43] <El_Che> the -3 does not work with my wifi either
[12:43] <membreya> works with my wifi
[12:44] <membreya> I don't have -2
[12:44] <membreya> -3 is all I have :(
[12:44] <El_Che> apt-get install the -2
[12:44] <El_Che> should be there
[12:44] <Nermal> urgh
[12:45] <jelte> Hi guys... I'm running ubuntu on an AMD Athlon... would it be worth changing my kernel image to the k7 one? if so, which package in synaptic do i swap to?
[12:46] <membreya> whats wrong Nermal ?
[12:47] <AndyR> jelte, yes :)
[12:48] <Nermal> tired
[12:48] <AndyFitz> membreya,, so everything else is all good ?
[12:48] <Tsjoklat> jelte you would like the k7 package then
[12:48] <AndyFitz> hrm  i wonder how i messed up my gdm login
[12:48] <jelte> AndyR, I thought so ;-)   but there are a few k7 packages.. and a few i386 packages that are all installed...
[12:48] <membreya> AndyFitz: ...I don't use much :) x-chat, gaim are all good :)
[12:48] <jelte> (cant check now, synaptic is busy)
[12:48] <membreya> AndyFitz: is it just not loading?
[12:48] <Tsjoklat> jelte linux-image-2.6.10-3-k7
[12:49] <jelte> Tsjoklat, thanks!  once installed i take it i need to reboot for grub to load the right one?
[12:49] <AndyFitz> its giving me the   " cannot write to xsessions error )  your permissions may be stuffed or your disk is full  blah "
[12:49] <membreya> ouch
[12:49] <Tsjoklat> jelte, you're welcome
[12:51] <AndyFitz> i tried using an older kernel but same error  so i put it down the the ubuntu-base pacakge i upgraded  ( i think it was the only one i changed since the previous reboot
[12:51] <AndyFitz> but i have no idea how that could change this . . considering i thought it was an empty pacakge with just dependencies
[12:51] <jelte> Tsjoklat, uh... i dont have that one... latest i got is linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-5-k7
[12:51] <shock> hm... is there anything comparable to k3b and/or kile based on gtk+ ?
[12:52] <Tsjoklat> jelte apt-get update
[12:52] <membreya> grrrrr...is there an easier way of getting my nvidia other than rolling back the kernel?
[12:52] <Tsjoklat> jelte, it was just updated
[12:52] <jelte> Tsjoklat, i just did that... i'm still on warty though, are you running hoary?
[12:53] <Tsjoklat> jelte yes I am.. perhaps it is a different version on warty.. but you still need the k7 one
[12:54] <childe> Hello
[12:54] <jelte> Tsjoklat, cool will take the one that i see here
[12:54] <jelte> what is the k7-smp ?
[12:54] <rubixXx> sup
[12:54] <childe> I can not use GLX...
[12:54] <rubixXx> child
[12:55] <jelte> never mind, worked it out ;-)
[12:55] <childe> It's a Nvidia Ti 4200 card, and I installed the glx-nvidia package
[12:55] <rubixXx> sudo glx-nvidia-enable
[12:55] <rubixXx> clt alt backspace to restart x
[12:55] <childe> So I must restart X ?  :-P
[01:00] <BockBilbo> helo
[01:00] <AndyFitz> night membreya, Tsjoklat , all
[01:00] <BockBilbo> has any of you had problems with gnome-panel on a recent upgrade in hoary????
[01:00] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:00] <membreya> what problems bock?
[01:00] <nomade> hi all
[01:00] <BockBilbo> it happpens that after i upgraded yestertday, everytime i try to open a menu
[01:00] <BockBilbo> ubuntu gets frozen
[01:01] <federa> bye!!
[01:01] <membreya> nope..nothing like that
[01:01] <BockBilbo> and i have to restart
[01:01] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:01] <BockBilbo> sucks
[01:01] <BockBilbo> :(
[01:01] <jelte> right... gonna reboot and see if this k7 image makes much of a diff ;-)   c ya
[01:01] <BockBilbo> i have uninstalled the gnome-panel..
[01:01] <BockBilbo> gonna try installing it again
[01:05] <anti_> with the latest hoary kernels (linux-image-2.6.11-1-686_2.6.11-0.2_i386.deb and linux-image-2.6.10-3-686_2.6.10-17_i386.deb) my system logs lots of "scheduling while atomic: gam_server/0xffffffff/9152" messages and stops working after a short while (5-10 mins).
[01:06] <anti_> should I file a bug with linux-image? or gamin/gam_server? what information will be needed?
[01:07] <El_Che> anti_: I think kernel, with that kernel I got that kernel panic too and my wifi did not work
[01:08] <anti_> it's not strictly a kernel panic.
[01:08] <anti_> but ok. will file.
[01:08] <El_Che> anti_: it resulted in a kernel panic in my case
[01:08] <anti_> ah. i see.
[01:08] <El_Che> after a trillion gam_server errors
[01:08] <membreya> new kernel killed my nvidia >:(
[01:09] <anti_> ah... sounds promising :-)
[01:09] <anti_> someone will have to fix it, thats the good news.
[01:09] <svenl> jbailey: am here.
[01:10] <svenl> arg, don't have the log anymore, i reformatted everything, let me try again.
[01:11] <membreya> El_Che: what do i apt-get to grab the previous kernel?
[01:11] <jbailey> svenl: 'k.
[01:12] <jbailey> svenl: Are you showing me the debootstrap or the apt-get upgrade?
[01:12] <anti_> membreya, with any luck, you got one in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[01:13] <svenl> jbailey: the debootstrap failed.
[01:13] <RainMoods> Good morning
[01:14] <RainMoods> I have to change permissions of a directory and all it's subdirectories... Is there a way to do that?
[01:14] <anti_> chmod -R
[01:14] <Tsjoklat> RainMoods, ubuntuguide.org
[01:14] <RainMoods> yay
[01:14] <RainMoods> Thank you, anti_ and Tsjoklat
[01:14] <jbailey> svenl: Ah, I see.  Yeah, the base Ubuntu system no longer contains an MTA.
[01:14] <Tsjoklat> RainMoods, you're welcome
[01:15] <jbailey> svenl: The general theory being that on a purely desktop system, all an MTA is good for is filling up mail queues that noone will ever read.
[01:15] <jbailey> (with messages a user won't understand)
[01:16] <svenl> jbailey: i did a fresh debian/sarge install with todays sid_d-i, installed debootstrap and chroot, got the warthy script from the warthy debootstrap, copied it to /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts, and ran debootstrap warthy /mnt http://...
[01:16] <membreya> mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' <--- what the
[01:17] <svenl> jbailey: well, it fails all the same. it tells me something about dpkg_progress not existing, which i replaced by progress, and then it tells me unable to isntall packages, retrying 5 times, for adduser, base-files, and so on.
[01:18] <svenl> jbailey: am doing an install, and will backup the log file and mail it to you or something.
[01:18] <jbailey> svenl: Can you try just changing the sources and doing an apt-get upgrade?
[01:18] <svenl> jbailey: huh ?
[01:18] <svenl> jbailey: from sarge to ubuntu ?
[01:19] <jbailey> svenl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[01:19] <jbailey> svenl: It points out that it's not exactly supported (I beleive that woody to hoary is), but that's how I did my pegasos install.
[01:20] <svenl> jbailey: This is not supported :/
[01:20] <svenl> jbailey: BTW, my other idea was to use grub2 to boot the daily hoary netboot vmlinux + initrd.gz, but i was not really able to setup grub2.
[01:20] <jbailey> svenl: Correct - mostly because there's a risk of not everything being updated.
[01:21] <svenl> I have the grub2 package installed on the debian partition, and did : ./grub-mkimage -d . -o nameofelffile ext2.mod normal.mod linux.mod boot.mod amiga.mod
[01:21] <svenl> well, sort of.
[01:21] <jbailey> svenl: But off of a simple install or debian sarge debootstrap it should be a problem.
[01:21] <Jelte> hi there... i just installed the k7 kernel image, but now my machine wont boot into X anymore ;-(   not even if i select an older kernel image from grub.. checking the X log, it seems it failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module.... should i update something after upgrading the kernel image to k7?
[01:21] <RainMoods> anti_: sudo chmod -R etcetera did the trick. thanks!
[01:21] <El_Che> Jelte: you also need extra packages
[01:21] <svenl> jbailey: i would add a postinst which generates the correct grub-image or something such, not ?
[01:21] <Jelte> El_Che, i was afraid of that ;-)    which ones?
[01:21] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, did you get the linux restricted modules?
[01:22] <jbailey> svenl: Ah, here's the one I was looking for:
[01:22] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, no apt held those back
[01:22] <jbailey> svenl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-woody
[01:22] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, you need the linux-restricted-modules
[01:22] <El_Che> Jelte: apt-cache search nvidia
[01:22] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, probably because you need to install something with it
[01:22] <svenl> jbailey: i have sarge installed, not woody though.
[01:22] <BockBilbo> i give up
[01:22] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:22] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, are you doing it through terminal or synaptic?
[01:22] <BockBilbo> im gonna reinstall ubunt
[01:22] <jbailey> svenl: YEah, but if you wanted a separate partition, you could debootstrap through woody.
[01:22] <El_Che> Jelte: probably nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-3-k7
[01:23] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, well now through a terminal, since X wont start ;-)    (running IRC from a laptop)
[01:23] <BockBilbo> anyone here knows whats the url for the latest hoary install iso?
[01:23] <El_Che> however the kernelpackage -3 is buggy
[01:23] <El_Che> I reverted to -2
[01:23] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, I have nvidia and I do NOT need the nvidia-glx
[01:23] <jbailey> svenl: If you're doing the current partition, basically do a really minimal install, and do the apt-get upgrade for now.
[01:23] <membreya> ok that was all too freaky!!!!!
[01:23] <Jelte> El_Che, i already have the nvidia-glx
[01:23] <jbailey> svenl: re: grub2, I don't think you should have the -d .  in the command line.
[01:23] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, you should really try to see if your glxgears work before messing with the glx files
[01:23] <Jelte> sounds like i need those restricted modules
[01:23] <El_Che> Jelte: try the restricted modules
[01:23] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, yes
[01:23] <svenl> jbailey: yeah, i removed it, and obviously changed the nameoffile.
[01:24] <svenl> ls is not yet supported, right ?
[01:24] <membreya> when i first rebooted after the new kernel my iso9660 fs wouldnt work and my nvidia module wouldnt load
[01:24] <membreya> rebooted again and it's all working
[01:24] <jbailey> svenl: I will generate it in the postinst.  I was thinking out putting the file as /boot/grub/grub
[01:24] <jbailey> svenl: Tab completion works.
[01:24] <svenl> jbailey: yeah.
[01:24] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, I have k7 kernel plus the restricted modules for k7 and de vidcard works like a charm
[01:24] <jbailey> svenl: If you grab my grub.cfg file out of that directory, you can see what I use to boot.
[01:24] <svenl> jbailey: i used it to point linxu to vmlinuz..., but when i hit boot, it hanged grub2.
[01:25] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, cool.. i'll try that.. i think the latest i can see here is linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>.4-k7
[01:25] <svenl> jbailey: "If you grab my grub.cfg file out of that directory" which dir again ?
[01:25] <jbailey> svenl: That's the vmlinuz that you can boot directly from OF?
[01:25] <jbailey> svenl: I'm booting off the plain vmlinux-2.6.10-3-powerpc from the Ubuntu kernel.
[01:25] <svenl> jbailey: ok.
[01:26] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, it has to match the number of the kernel you got... for example.. 2.6.8 would require those modules.. but 2.6.10 requires the modules accordingly
[01:26] <jbailey> svenl: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/grub2/
[01:26] <jbailey> svenl: That's where I have the package and such.