[06:11] <sdali> Can anyone tell me why it's not recommended to build from source when using Ubuntu? I built libssh2 from source, and I came to this channel and was told that it wasn't wise to have done that. I don't understand why it is a bad idea, and in general it seems kind of limiting to have to wait for someone to port software to Ubuntu if I want to use it. Can anyone clear this up for me?
[06:11] <WebLOCH> durt, its late, im tired, im poor at the interpretation :(
[06:11] <durt> yeah its midnight now and i crashed xfce im out
[06:11] <IceDrag0nLX> wtf do I keep getting a permission denied when I try to ./ a file
[06:12] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: all contrary views will be ruthlessly censored! Toe the Ubuntu line! We have ways! *grin*
[06:12] <eyequeue> humour definitely can sometimes fail to translate well in online communication, lets all just smile for a sec :)
[06:12] <WebLOCH> does KDE have any benefits over Gnome?
[06:12] <thechris> sdali: its generally best to use packages from your distro.  that way the package manager knows you have it and can update it if needed
[06:12] <IceDrag0nLX> ok good now
[06:12] <WebLOCH> thoreauputic, haha, I blieve you, ill come quiet :(
[06:12] <thoreauputic> :D
[06:12] <eyequeue> WebLOCH:  i perfer the other, but .... similarity to ms-feel?  might be handy for some
[06:12] <nalioth> WebLOCH: personal preference only
[06:13] <nalioth> WebLOCH: there are dozens of DMs available. try them all, use what appeals to you
[06:13] <WebLOCH> hmm gnome seems to be running quite nicely, im interested in trying KDE, but i dont want to download an entire distribution to try it
[06:13] <eyequeue> WebLOCH:  keep in mind i prefer gnome myself <salt grain>
[06:13] <sdali> thechris: yes, but that basically says don't use any software that isn't in the distro.
[06:13] <sdali> and that seems to tie my hands.
[06:13] <WebLOCH> nalioth, eyequeue, aside from gnome and kde, is there anything that compares in the gdm world?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: you can install kubuntu-desktop
[06:14] <eyequeue> WebLOCH:  bum a livecd of kubuntu or knoppix from a friend?
[06:14] <nalioth> WebLOCH: try enlightenment
[06:14] <thechris> sdali: libssh isn't in ubuntu?
[06:14] <tritium> sdali, what do you need that you can't find in ubuntu?
[06:14] <caustictwin> does build-essentials come natively with breezy badger?
[06:14] <WebLOCH> eyequeue, my friends, run Windows ME :P
[06:14] <WebLOCH> nalioth, ty ill look it up
[06:14] <tritium> caustictwin, build-essential can be installed in breezy
[06:14] <thoreauputic> caustictwin:  build-essential - and it should be on the cd ready to install
[06:14] <eyequeue> WebLOCH:  and you call them friends? ;)  j/k
[06:14] <caustictwin> thanks
[06:14] <sdali> thechris: libssh2 wasn't at the revision that I needed (if I remember correctly)
[06:14] <thechris> sdali: you can compile stuff yourself, but then it becomes your responsibility to keep it up to date and make sure it doens't overwrite files from other pacakges.
[06:15] <azteech> can anyone tell me if there is a breezy 686 kernel available for a athlon xp based system, and, if so, is it available from apt-get?
[06:15] <thechris> sdali: did you try all the "repositories"
[06:15] <WebLOCH> eyequeue, not really, they abandoned me, but they are the closest thing i have to friends
[06:15] <sdali> tritium: I need libc6 so I can load transcode.
[06:15] <IceDrag0nLX> sh script
[06:15] <IceDrag0nLX> how do I run them
[06:15] <tritium> sdali, surely you have libc6
[06:15] <IceDrag0nLX> I tried bash filenamehere.sh
[06:15] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: Man, if you really wanna know the answer you show it wierd.
[06:15] <IceDrag0nLX> AND bash filenamehere
[06:15] <eyequeue> azteech:  i think you want the -k7 for that
[06:16] <sdali> tritium: Not at the correct version for transcode.
[06:16] <tritium> azteech, and yes, it's available from the repositories
[06:16] <B_166-ER-X> is upgrading to breezy as simple as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade?highlight=%28breezy%29
[06:16] <B_166-ER-X> ?
[06:16] <tritium> sdali, "correct" may not be a good choice of words
[06:16] <DShepherd> How do I make the background in my gnome-terminal window in ubuntu transparent
[06:17] <nalioth> B_166-ER-X: yes it is
[06:17] <thoreauputic> B_166-ER-X: yes
[06:17] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX:  first, are you sure it's a bash script?
[06:17] <tritium> DShepherd, edit the profile
[06:17] <sdali> tritium: How about "at a revision that will allow synaptic to load transcode"?
[06:17] <IceDrag0nLX> eyequeue,  yes
[06:17] <IceDrag0nLX> it says sh
[06:17] <DShepherd> tritium: Where do I find the profile?
[06:17] <IceDrag0nLX> I checked the file and it had #!/bin/bash
[06:18] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX:  head -1 foo.sh
[06:18] <tritium> DShepherd, Edit->Current Profile
[06:18] <azteech> tks eyequeue and tritium
[06:18] <tritium> sdali, you might consider breezy
[06:18] <sdali> thechris: I tried all of the repos that I know of.
[06:18] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX:  k.  chmod +x foo.sh ; ./foo.sh
[06:18] <DShepherd> tritium: Thanks
[06:18] <eyequeue> azteech:  np
[06:19] <julien> hello all
[06:19] <sdali> tritium: That's a whole new ball of wax. I was on FC4, and it felt like I could build and install whatever SW I needed. I'm feeling knid of manacled with Ubuntu now.
[06:19] <julien> anyone know how to launch sh file at boot before X ?
[06:20] <nalioth> sdali: you can build and install anything you like. use "checkinstall" instead of "make install"
[06:20] <tritium> sdali, you can build whatever you need.  Just be able to maintain your own system.
[06:20] <sdali> tritium: DOes that mean giving up on synaptic and apt-get?
[06:20] <caustictwin> where would one look to find the mac address of their computer?
[06:20] <caustictwin> is that in network-admin?
[06:20] <nalioth> sdali: if you use "checkinstall" instead of 'make install' apt will still work well
[06:20] <sdali> nalioth: I hadn't heard of that option, but will look it up.
[06:21] <tritium> sdali, no, not in general.  Just make sure what you install doesn't overwrite system files, just like in any other distro, including rpm-based ones.
[06:21] <IceDrag0nLX> eyequeue, every time I chmod it says file cannot be located
[06:21] <thechris> sdali: nothings changed, in FC4 its still not a good idea to build your own packages.
[06:21] <IceDrag0nLX> I made sure the file is there
[06:21] <IceDrag0nLX> I know it is there
[06:21] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX:  is it in your current directory?  home directory?
[06:21] <IceDrag0nLX> oh damn
[06:21] <IceDrag0nLX> it works
[06:21] <evil_k> well i got mp3s working
[06:21] <eyequeue> IceDrag0nLX:  okay
[06:21] <julien> please ....anyone ?
[06:22] <tritium> sdali, it's not about limiting your options.  It's about what configurations we can support here.  Please feel free to do as you please.  Just understand we can't alsways help out when things go wrong after intstalling your own stuff.
[06:22] <eyequeue> julien:  you could create an /etc/init.d/whatever to run at a lower priority
[06:22] <sdali> I guess I've got some experimenting to do. I'm sure I'll overwrite some files, and end up back here asking for help. :)
[06:22] <nalioth> !tell julien about repeat
[06:23] <eyequeue> julien:  man update-rc.d for details on how, if interested
[06:23] <julien> sorry
[06:23] <julien> invoke before every start of X Server:
[06:23] <julien> ./i8xx_patch 30 1280 768
[06:23] <julien> i need to start that before X
[06:23] <capiCrimm> I'm having some troubles with apt-get http://pastebin.com/374348
[06:24] <julien> so i made sh put on /etc/init.d
[06:24] <julien> but it seem start X before my script
[06:24] <tritium> julien, please follow eyequeue's guidance
[06:25] <eyequeue> julien:  you could create an /etc/init.d/pre-x at priority 12
[06:25] <sdali> capiCrimm: You're having libc6 problems too I see.
[06:25] <julien> i done the update-rc.d
[06:25] <eyequeue> julien:  (gdm is 13)
[06:25] <nAmSbReH`> how do i start wine.....
[06:25] <julien> you could create an /etc/init.d/pre-x at priority 12 ???
[06:26] <sdali> nAmSbReH`: firs you start with the cheese, not wine. ;)
[06:26] <eyequeue> julien:  write it, then use update-rc.d to put it at 12
[06:26] <nAmSbReH`> i have finished istalling wine how do i start it?
[06:26] <julien> eye can i PM u ?
[06:26] <capiCrimm> sdali, you too? find any fixess?
[06:26] <eyequeue> okay
[06:26] <sdali> Nope, It was suggested that I don't mess with libc6.
[06:27] <crimsun> geez, how do you guys into these horrible situations with libc6?
[06:27] <tritium> messing with libc6 is among the riskiest things you could do
[06:27] <crimsun> get into
[06:27] <nAmSbReH`> c'mon man help me.... how do start wine?
[06:27] <bedi> winesetup
[06:27] <crimsun> capiCrimm: apt-cache policy libmysqlclient14-dev
[06:27] <firestor1> Howdy. When I search for 'mythtv' in synaptic it shows the latest version as 0.17. The MythTV website shows the current version to be 0.18.1-r2. How can I install the latest version? Are my sources wrong?
[06:27] <nalioth> nAmSbReH`: open a terminal and type 'wine /path/to/windows/bloat.exe'
[06:27] <crimsun> firestor1: the latest version is in breezy
[06:28] <nAmSbReH`> tnx
[06:28] <firestor1> crimsun: okay I must be set up for hoary then....how do I change to breezy?
[06:28] <bedi> who can i find breezy backport repositories... or a sources.list... tkz!
[06:28] <nalioth> !tell firestor1 about upgrade2breezy
[06:29] <capiCrimm> crimsum, you wanted the runoff? http://pastebin.com/374353
[06:29] <padmawan> firestor1: read /topic
[06:29] <cafuego_> bedi: Breezy isn't stable, so no backports.
[06:29] <firestor1> padmawan, nalioth, crimsun: thanks :)
[06:30] <crimsun> capiCrimm: ugh, the reason should be pretty obvious to you.
[06:30] <bimberi> bedi: sample breezy sources.list - http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325
[06:30] <B_166-ER-X> in synaptic is http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, and  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ the same thing ???
[06:30] <evil_k> !tell evil_k about upgrade2breezy
[06:30] <firestor1> How dangerous is it to run Breezy instead of Hoary in your experiences?
[06:31] <padmawan> firestor1: it's a little bit slow during startup
[06:31] <thoreauputic> B_166-ER-X: yes, in fact I think they point at the same server (haven't actually checked that)
[06:31] <nalioth> firestor1: if you depend on your machine for your livelihood, wait until oct 13
[06:31] <capiCrimm> crimsum, I'm not seeing it? :/
[06:31] <eyequeue> firestor1:  the closer to the release date (oct 13) the safer, generally
[06:31] <nAmSbReH`> when i install wine this appears.....E: Unable to find a source package for wine ... what does tgis means?
[06:32] <firestor1> eyequeue: so on oct 13 it will be considered stable then?
[06:32] <B_166-ER-X> Any1 one breezy have a  http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu source ?
[06:32] <crimsun> capiCrimm: whenever you use external (non-Ubuntu) repositories, don't be surprised when things will not install
[06:32] <nalioth> firestor1: yes it will
[06:32] <tristanmike> firestor1, that's the date as of now
[06:32] <eyequeue> firestor1:  that's the current release date, though hoary was a few days late
[06:33] <Arkainium> damn.  what are some possible reasons why I can't suspend/resume more than once?  It makes no sense.
[06:33] <signbarn> what's a good RSS/Atom aggregator?
[06:33] <tristanmike> eagleye, are you getting my messages?
[06:33] <tritium> Arkainium, did you forget to use the new coversheet with your TPS report?
[06:33] <capiCrimm> crimsum, that doesn't explain why (a) it worked before and (b) mysqlclient12-dev shoots simmilar errors. http://pastebin.com/374356
[06:33] <linner> tritium: my favorite movie!
[06:33] <eyequeue> B_166-ER-X:  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[06:33] <nAmSbReH`> when i type this command <apt-get --build source wine> this appears.....E: Unable to find a source package for wine ... what does tgis means?
[06:33] <Arkainium> lol
[06:33] <tritium> hey linner :)
[06:34] <linner> tritium: i have an office space quote as a ring tone :)O
[06:34] <eyequeue> B_166-ER-X:  us and ca are apparently the same host, substitute
[06:34] <linner> hey tritium
[06:34] <tritium> linner, no way.  Which one?
[06:34] <linner> the one about how humans are not supposed to be crammed into little cubes etc
[06:34] <tritium> nice
[06:35] <linner> I have three actually
[06:35] <B_166-ER-X> ok thx
[06:35] <IceDrag0nLX> If I want somthing in the launch menu
[06:35] <tritium> Arkainium, are you using breezy?
[06:35] <IceDrag0nLX> where does it go?
[06:35] <linner> "Um, yeah... this is Bill Lump.... ahhhhhhhh yeah... this is Bill...... " the answering machine quote
[06:35] <Arkainium> tritium, hoary.
[06:35] <crimsun> capiCrimm: uh, why doesn't it explain it? You're trying to install packages from a repository external to Ubuntu's. Ubuntu doesn't control that repository, someone else does.  Is there something better?
[06:37] <linner>
[06:37] <crimsun> capiCrimm: in other words, purge your non-Ubuntu mysql packages, remove the non-Ubuntu repo, update, and reinstall the mysql packages you want.
[06:37] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: What ppc is it?
[06:37] <Arkainium> linner, resume works fine for me.  Just not when I do it more than once.  :)
[06:37] <HrdwrBoB> crimsun: yes, an x86 ;)
[06:37] <eyequeue> Crys_Win:  typically, more ram
[06:37] <linner> Arkainium: :)
[06:37] <Arkainium> linner, I'm using the radeon dri driver, not fglrx.
[06:37] <firestor1> crimsun: is it possible to use the 2.6.12 kernel image with my hoary install? I'm on 2.6.11 and it has some kernel-related problems I think
[06:38] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: It runs fine on a 350MHz iMac (grape) with 192Mb ram here
[06:38] <crimsun> HrdwrBoB: Crys_Win?
[06:38] <linner> oh okay... I was about to give you the same schpeel ;)
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> crimsun: er yeah
[06:38] <tritium> Arkainium, hard?  Can't do any diagnostics?
[06:38] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: Ditto on a 1.4GHz Mac mini with 1Gb RAM
[06:38] <capiCrimm> security.ubuntu.com and us.archive.ubuntu.com are outside of  ubuntu's control?
[06:38] <julien> sudo update-rc.d -f i8xx.sh defaults 12
[06:38] <julien>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/i8xx.sh already exist.
[06:38] <crimsun> firestor1: does Hoary's 2.6.10 not work?
[06:38] <Crys_Win> Sorry, it's a first line Imac.
[06:38] <julien> how to force it ?
[06:38] <crimsun> capiCrimm: no, the other one.
[06:38] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: How much ram does it have?
[06:38] <cafebaby> mac-mini < 3G is crap
[06:38] <Arkainium> tritium, keyboard becomes unresponsive.  let me check syslog though
[06:39] <cafebaby> low e/p
[06:39] <Crys_Win> Something wrong with it though, cuz it don't have the flap for me to add ram.
[06:39] <firestor1> crimsun: it may but I'd like to try 2.6.12 if it is easy enough to do
[06:39] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: No flap? Howso? (We're talking blueberry, right?)
[06:39] <crimsun> firestor1: it's much easier to use Hoary's 2.6.10 if you're running Hoary.
[06:39] <sdali> Arkainium: I just tried it, and it works for me.
[06:39] <evil_k> why dont i know the root pw on this thing?
[06:39] <Crys_Win> cafuego_, I think it has something like 64 or 128
[06:40] <tritium> evil_k, because if you didn't set one, there's not one
[06:40] <evil_k> or am i not supposed to login as root
[06:40] <Crys_Win> No, cafuego_ We're talking bondi.
[06:40] <tritium> !tell evil_k about rootsudo
[06:40] <thoreauputic> !tell evil_k about root
[06:40] <firestor1> crimsun: okay I will do that. Just out of interest, how could I have used it with Hoary? Because there may be a need in the future to install testing version of package X while having stable version of all other packages
[06:40] <crimsun> firestor1: you dist-upgrade to breezy.
[06:40] <eyequeue> julien:  sudo update-rc.d -f i8xx.sh remove ; sudo update-rc.d -f i8xx.sh start 12 2 3 4 5 . stop 12 2 3 4 5 .
[06:41] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: 64 is the default on those, I think.  yes, 64 or 128 is a tad on the low side for Ubuntu with Gnome. Give something like say fluxbox or openbox  try, they use FAR less ram and should be far more responsive.
[06:41] <bimberi> *decides
[06:41] <julien> thx eye
[06:41] <signbarn> why can i not find the j2re1.5 in breezy repositories?
[06:41] <firestor1> crimsun: so it is an all-or-nothing approach then?
[06:41] <eyequeue> julien:  presuiming you want it to stop at 12, that's up to you
[06:41] <grigora> I am experiencing my ssh sessions getting a timeout through a Linksys router/switch, it takes a few seconds for the connection to revive, is anyone experiencing similar behavior? thanks
[06:41] <capiCrimm> crimsum, if I delete the dotdeb archieves I still get an error with the ubunte archieve packages http://pastebin.com/374358
[06:41] <cafuego_> signbarn: Coz it's not in there?
[06:41] <Crys_Win> cafuego_ can I install that from synaptic?
[06:41] <crimsun> firestor1: you can download the appropriate linux-* debs, and install them.
[06:41] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: Yep.
[06:42] <crimsun> firestor1: of course you're on your own if you do that
[06:42] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: Soemthing that needs a bit more ram, but is also a bit more integrated, would be xfce4.
[06:42] <signbarn> cafuego_: it just seems strange to me that the version would go _down_ in breezy
[06:42] <eyequeue> julien:  read /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example
[06:42] <killapop> hi All. where can I find a log of the bootup sequence?
[06:42] <crimsun> capiCrimm: did you update after you removed the dotdeb repo?
[06:42] <firestor1> crimsun: okay so I'd use dpkg to do that and it would break upgrades of that package using synaptic?
[06:42] <bimberi> thoreauputic: no more needed thanks (geez it took a while to type and check this :P )
[06:42] <cafuego_> signbarn: No, you're mistaken. The java 1.5 in hoary was *illegal* and should have never been in the repositories.
[06:42] <Crys_Win> cafuego_ will it just start up in blackbox next boot, or iwll it give me a chance to pick?
[06:43] <julien> oki eye i wil read
[06:43] <signbarn> cafuego_: fair enough
[06:43] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: It will come up with gdm (just log out, no reboot required). Then pick 'blackbox' from the Sessions menu.
[06:43] <crimsun> firestor1: that package then would ever be updated automatically, because security updates would always be versioned lower.
[06:43] <julien> sudo update-rc.d -f i8xx.sh start 12 2 3 4 5 . stop 12 2 3 4 5 update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S]  (did you forget "." ?)
[06:43] <crimsun> would never
[06:43] <thoreauputic> bimberi: heheh - would you like a copy of the Oxford Dictionary? bigger than Unix manuals and more useful ;)
[06:43] <eyequeue> julien:  sudo update-rc.d -f i8xx.sh remove ; sudo update-rc.d -f i8xx.sh start 12 2 3 4 5 . stop 12 2 3 4 5 . <-- see the trailing dot
[06:44] <Crys_Win> cafuego_ Thanks. I really like my bblean. Thnk I'll like openbox or fluxbox too?
[06:44] <bratsche> Hello.
[06:44] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: I'm used to Gnome, can't make up your mind for you ;-)
[06:44] <Breeeeee> i shared my linux folders using SMB.. but my windows PC cannot browse it since it asks for a password.. and im sure i didn't put any password over the folder... can anyone help??
[06:44] <bratsche> How do I start up my Ubuntu without X?  Is there a grub command I can use?
[06:44] <DavidLeeRoth> can anyone help me find a case
[06:44] <bimberi> thoreauputic: ha, no the Macquarie does nicely thanks :)
[06:44] <Arkainium> tritium, I notice in my acpid log that cardctl is ending with a seg fault when prepare.sh is called. but like I said, I can suspend just fine.
[06:44] <crimsun> bratsche: search the wiki for instructions to start without gdm
[06:44] <julien> oki ! i forgot one DOT
[06:44] <julien> :p
[06:44] <signbarn> anyone know if i get the j2sdk if i need the j2re? or does the j2sdk cover that?
[06:44] <bratsche> crimsun: Thanks.
[06:44] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth:  look me in the face as I say this.
[06:44] <eyequeue> bratsche:  remove the symlink to gdm in one runlevel and use that one
[06:44] <NiLz> what's colony?
[06:44] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: Ack, 32Mb is the default, actually.
[06:44] <thoreauputic> bimberi: bah - the Macquarie is a terrible dictionary IMO :(
[06:45] <crimsun> NiLz: a breezy milestone
[06:45] <eyequeue> bratsche:  this presumes you want it just occasionally
[06:45] <IceDrag0nLX> ./uplink: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:45] <IceDrag0nLX>  <-- wtf?
[06:45] <bratsche> eyequeue: I can't remove any symlinks right now.
[06:45] <NiLz> crimsun: is it a final release?
[06:45] <sdali> grigora: Try editing /etc/ssh/ssh_config, and set ConnectTimeout 0.
[06:45] <firestor1> crimsun: sorry, I misunderstood your last message. Security updates would happen automatically because version number is lower than what is really installed, resulting in a downgrade of version number..correct?
[06:45] <Breeeeee> i shared my linux folders using SMB.. but my windows PC cannot browse it since it asks for a password.. and im sure i didn't put any password over the folder... can anyone help??
[06:45] <bratsche> eyequeue: My xorg.conf file is hosed or something, and when I startup the system into X everything freezes and I can't use keyboard input.
[06:45] <crimsun> NiLz: no, it's a milestone on the road to the final release
[06:45] <julien> i reboot and test
[06:45] <julien> thx all speciall eye
[06:45] <julien> u rocks !
[06:45] <nalioth> Breeeeee: use the password for your linux account
[06:46] <concept10> I need help -- I upgraded to breezy last night and xserver will not start - it says it cannot find any screens .. any suggestions?
[06:46] <NiLz> crimsun: I see, thanx
[06:46] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: I'd have a search on google, see how to open it and add ram, if you can get your hands on some. (SDRAM is dirt cheap)
[06:46] <nAmSbReH`> If you want to make sure that apt-get will install the WineHQ wine package instead of the Debian wine package (which usually has the same version), then add something like the following entry to /etc/apt/preferences  > what does this means?
[06:46] <eyequeue> bratsche:  bbot to "recovery mode" from the grub menu
[06:46] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: If you've never built a computer, you haven't come across this, but in my experience, the plate in the back comes off and a new one comes with your mobo.
[06:46] <eyequeue> s/bbot/boot/
[06:46] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: does that solve the problem?
[06:46] <nAmSbReH`> If you want to make sure that apt-get will install the WineHQ wine package instead of the Debian wine package (which usually has the same version), then add something like the following entry to /etc/apt/preferences  > what does this means?
[06:46] <bratsche> eyequeue: I'm searching the wiki for "recovery mode" and I don't see it.  What's the command?
[06:47] <DavidLeeRoth> i didnt see a plate coming with the mobo
[06:47] <DavidLeeRoth> im not a retard and i have built them befor
[06:47] <Crys_Win> cafuego_: I did that. BTW, it's sodimm for imacs.
[06:47] <DavidLeeRoth> usually they just work
[06:47] <eyequeue> bratsche:  okay, when you first boot into grub, you know the menu?  usually the second item is recovery mode
[06:47] <bratsche> eyequeue: Okay, I'll search for it.  Thanks.
[06:47] <eyequeue> bratsche:  np
[06:47] <nAmSbReH`> If you want to make sure that apt-get will install the WineHQ wine package instead of the Debian wine package (which usually has the same version), then add something like the following entry to /etc/apt/preferences  > what does this means?
[06:48] <nalioth> nAmSbReH`: /msg ubotu repeat
[06:48] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: I'm not calling you dumb, dude, chill. I'm just trying to help. There are screws and it comes off, and the plate comes with the mobo. Somebody back me up please?
[06:48] <cafuego_> Crys_Win: yeah, just saw. I've got a rev C I think,  that just eats whever the Pentium 3 here had.
[06:48] <tritium> nAmSbReH`, isn't that fairly self-explanatory, honestly?  What more can be said?
[06:48] <DavidLeeRoth> i am looking to see if the mobo comes with a plate
[06:48] <eyequeue> DavidLeeRoth:  he's straight with you, reread, no animosity either
[06:48] <DavidLeeRoth> http://www.machspeed.com/v64_939agp.htm
[06:48] <DavidLeeRoth> http://www.machspeed.com/v64_939agp.htm is the mobo i am buying
[06:49] <eyequeue> Crys_Win:  he?  or she?  sorry, if a shee
[06:49] <Crys_Win> It's cool. He. You can't get offended about that onlne.
[06:49] <eyequeue> heh
[06:49] <spermite> I'm trying to rememeber how to force a package to overwrite, give me a hand
[06:50] <julien> eye u rocks !! i love u !! now im in 1280x768 on my japanese laptop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:50] <julien> u the best !
[06:50] <eyequeue> julien:  cool
[06:50] <linner> h
[06:50] <linner> sorry guys
[06:50] <eyequeue> spermite:  i'd use " sudo apt-get --reinstall install foo"
[06:50] <Jeezis> can someone tell me what i repo i should add to my sources.list so i can download the w32codecs package
[06:50] <crimsun> Jeezis: I just answered that.
[06:50] <Jeezis> crimsun: ah, just saw, thanks
[06:50] <julien> eye what is /etc/init.d/skeleton ?
[06:51] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: My mobo has a very similar plate. Also wouldn't go into the stock plate, but asus sent me a nice custom fit one in the box.
[06:51] <julien> how use it ?
[06:51] <nalioth> nickrud: you varmint! where you been?
[06:51] <nickrud> california, thank you
[06:51] <eyequeue> julien:  an example file, to base your hand-written /etc/init.d/* files upon
[06:51] <DavidLeeRoth> i hate my life
[06:51] <nalioth> nickrud: cali? rita wasnt that bad
[06:52] <eyequeue> julien:  sudo cp /etc/init.d/skeleton /etc/init.d/mynewfile and then edit mynewfile
[06:52] <nickrud> fofl, no
[06:52] <julien> i see
[06:52] <julien> i just newbies on linux only 2 week ...learning......but i learn quick and fast
[06:53] <julien> thanks for your support ...
[06:53] <eyequeue> julien: well, what you did is rather advanced for a newbie, you're doing well
[06:53] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: Don't hate your life. That case and that motherboard will work I think. That's gonna be a badass box. Do you have a gfx card picked out yet?
[06:53] <yellowrose> Hi! I'm having problems playing a VCD movie with music.dat file but no problem with DVD movies. What am I suppose to do? Totem could not determine type of stream
[06:53] <julien> thanks eye
[06:53] <julien> i try to dont ask ppl util im stuck
[06:53] <DavidLeeRoth> yeah, a 9600TX 256 dedicated ram
[06:54] <julien> and the french channel was not able to anwser me
[06:54] <eyequeue> julien: poking into man pages can make you an expert faster too :)
[06:54] <DavidLeeRoth> i havent picked out a screen yet because I am waiting for those HD screens
[06:54] <julien> yes u right
[06:54] <julien> i will try to use more man
[06:54] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: Fooken sweet. What are you gonna do with such a hardcore setup on linux. That's not a programmers box. You got wine and cedega in mind? A little bang bang? Some rpg?
[06:55] <julien> im so happy, after long time fighting im on 1280x768
[06:55] <julien> thats rocks
[06:55] <Crys_Win> julien: Congrats.
[06:55] <DavidLeeRoth> I would kill to program. I am not a hardcore gamer, but i will dual boot Vista/Ubuntu with ubuntu being my main man
[06:55] <B_166-ER-X> now :  if the install cd of Hoary takes a full cd.... and the update by terminal to breezy makes me install 266 megs,   there IS more data on the breezy version...so,  where does the overdata go ? is there jstue 250 megs or so that will sleep on my hd ? or will it jsut erase old data as well
[06:56] <DavidLeeRoth> and vmware will run, so i will have access to linux on windows, and vice versa
[06:56] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: What's vista?   I was in a band in the 80's once.
[06:58] <damnhil> How do I tune my hard disk using hdparm?
[06:58] <eyequeue> bye julien
[06:58] <bob2> DavidLeeRoth: language, please
[06:58] <kevogod> Windowey Windows
[06:58] <snausages> eyequeue i tried restoring it from a live cd boot and it was still screwed up
[06:59] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: Christ, what is it? Dude, what is vista? The website is vague and with only mild promise of getting less so.
[06:59] <eyequeue> snausages:  i guess a reinstall isn't painful if you'
[06:59] <eyequeue> re recently installed
[06:59] <snausages> eyequeue yeah, i just hate doing it over and over
[06:59] <snausages> i lost valuable time
[06:59] <DavidLeeRoth> crys, it will require great power (3.00ghz above, 256ded vid mem, 1 gig ram recommended, 2 is better, a monitor that ISNT EVEN MADE YET)
[06:59] <eyequeue> Crys_Win:  offtopic here, but vista is the codename for what used to be longhorn, ms's next os release
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Crys_Win: Various Improvements Similar To Apple
[07:00] <DavidLeeRoth> its insane
[07:00] <Crys_Win> ah!!!!! windows xp and Mac os mated!!!
[07:00] <DavidLeeRoth> its a joke
[07:00] <bob2> Windows seems kinda off-topic here, folks.
[07:00] <wthanna> I have recently installed Enlightenment E16 using synaptic, but it does not show as an option when I login. Can someone tell me what I might need to do to make this happen?
[07:00] <DavidLeeRoth> and it will come out in 7 diff versions, this is sink or float for MS
[07:00] <nickrud> thoreauputic
[07:00] <Crys_Win> I wanna play with it!!!
[07:01] <transgress_> didn't you guys read that longhorn is broken?
[07:01] <kevogod> It is not sink or float. As long as Dell and etc. bundle it, they are safe.
[07:01] <transgress_> MS said so themselves... and that they are chunking a massive amount of code
[07:01] <Crys_Win> DavidLeeRoth: With tech specs like that, it is sink.
[07:01] <eyequeue> #ubuntu-offtopic does exist, for those interested :)
[07:01] <Orborde> transgress_: Yeah...they said that about..2 years ago?
[07:01] <wbeck85> hey, uh, what happened to ubuntuforums.org?
[07:01] <Orborde> transgress_: And they have since fixed it.
[07:01] <eyequeue> wbeck85:  maintenence
[07:01] <wbeck85> oh
[07:01] <wbeck85> ok
[07:01] <adjacent> oh shit. update ubuntu only to find it breaks firefox...
[07:01] <Crys_Win> Linux just needs a good gui and some more wizards and it's gonna kill.
[07:02] <eyequeue> adjacent:  /topic
[07:02] <Orborde> Crys_Win: And it needs to work out of the box.
[07:02] <kevogod> No, Linux does not need any of that. They need to be prepackaged with a Dell or HP computer.
[07:02] <bob2> adjacent: sure it's not because you're using backports?
[07:02] <transgress_> Orborde: you're wrong.  this is recent.
[07:02] <nalioth> adjacent: disable backports
[07:02] <Orborde> transgress_: Link?
[07:02] <adjacent> bob2: im sure it is
[07:02] <DavidLeeRoth> linux needs developers, developers, developers, developers, developers, developers,
[07:02] <wbeck85> flol
[07:02] <DavidLeeRoth> I love this company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:02] <transgress_> http://www.smartofficenews.com.au/Computing/Platforms_And_Applications?article=/Computing/Platforms%20And%20Applications/News/E5T7U6H8 Orborde
[07:02] <eyequeue> DavidLeeRoth:  lol
[07:03] <thoreauputic> DavidLeeRoth: rofl
[07:03] <adjacent> DavidLeeRoth: linux needs less developers... it needs more project managers
[07:03] <crimsun> uh what? fewer developers?  Version: 1:1.5.0-1ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 814 kB, Installed size: 2148 kB
[07:03] <DShepherd> k
[07:03] <crimsun> adjacent: and adding management infrastructure will HELP that?
[07:04] <Orborde> transgress_: Oh, yeah. The WSJ article. Thing is, they are apparently fixing it to the max.
[07:04] <supergrover> adjacent: yeah yeah
[07:04] <transgress_> Orborde: like they did all the other releases right?
[07:04] <Crys_Win> if aqua was ported to linux, you'd have the games and the free. Too bad it'd never happen.
[07:04] <adjacent> heh. im big on formal training... whatever
[07:04] <Orborde> transgress_: All that happened was that their old methodology finally broke down, and now they're adopting a more modern approach that is indeed likely to be more efficient.
[07:05] <kevogod> When I try to install Opera 8.5 shared on Breezy, I receive a dependency error telling me that I need libqt3c102-mt. The wiki says that libqt3-mt is Breezy's equivalent, but how do I get Opera to install properly?
[07:05] <DavidLeeRoth> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/27/1928243&tid=184&tid=173&tid=143&tid=1 (Linux Laptop)
[07:05] <GrannyTux> what up with ubuntu forum it down as well
[07:05] <Orborde> transgress_: The breakdown happened something like a year ago, I think; they're been on this ever since.
[07:05] <eyequeue> GrannyTux:  ntenence
[07:05] <eyequeue> GrannyTux:  maint
[07:05] <GrannyTux> thx
[07:05] <Crys_Win> Why is it that every time windows says more efficient it means I have to upgrade my system to run it?
[07:05] <transgress_> Orborde: i think you've been reading future news again.
[07:05] <Orborde> transgress_: I may have misread.
[07:06] <drogoh> Slashdot is evil. :(
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Crys_Win: you have to look at it from their viewpoint ;)
[07:06] <crimsun> adjacent: formal training or not, adding more infrastructure to the mess is NOT the way to proceed.
[07:06] <Orborde> transgress_: But I thought they'd been working on reorganizing for about a year; it just became public now.
[07:07] <Crys_Win> thoreauputic: This is gonna be good.
[07:07] <transgress_> eh doesn't matter.  i don't think i'll be using any of the 8 versions of vista
[07:07] <nAmSbReH`> what is the best version for wine in ubuntu
[07:07] <transgress_> the one in apt probably nAmSbReH`
[07:07] <bob2> nAmSbReH`: depends what you're doing
[07:07] <Orborde> transgress_: 'On Aug. 27, 2004, Microsoft said it would ship Longhorn in the second half of 2006 -- at least a year late -- and that Mr. Gates's WinFS advance wouldn't be part of the system. The day before in Microsoft's auditorium, Mr. Allchin had announced to hundreds of Windows engineers that they would "reset" Longhorn using a clean base of code that had been developed for a version of Windows on corporate server computers.'
[07:07] <nAmSbReH`> i wanna play warcraft?
[07:07] <tritium> only you can answer that, nAmSbReH`
[07:08] <wbeck85> I would say, Cedega?
[07:08] <bob2> nAmSbReH`: which version of warcraft?
[07:08] <transgress_> nAmSbReH`: which warcraft?
[07:08] <eyequeue> lol
[07:08] <nAmSbReH`> 1.18
[07:08] <wbeck85> :)
[07:08] <transgress_> nAmSbReH`: no... like world of warcraft or wc3, wc2, etc?
[07:08] <nalioth> microsoft talk in #ubuntu-offtopic please. plenty of room there
[07:08] <nAmSbReH`> frozen throne....
[07:09] <transgress_> nAmSbReH`: that can run in wine... but you gotta remove the video files... google wine linux warcraft 3
[07:09] <Orborde> nAmSbReH`: That's Warcraft III
[07:09] <Crys_Win> I think that MS periodically makes windows "more efficient" so that I will have to buy a new computer. Then, maybe I'll need a new os, so right back to windows.
[07:09] <nAmSbReH`> yup
[07:09] <xuniluser> does ubuntu  support serial devices like mouse?
[07:09] <transgress_> but for best playability you will want cedega nAmSbReH`
[07:10] <bob2> xuniluser: sure
[07:10] <nAmSbReH`> where can i get cedega?
[07:10] <Crys_Win> nalioth: Sorry. I'll knock it off.
[07:10] <signbarn> yeah i bought cedega -- definitely worth it.
[07:10] <WebLOCH> Does anyone know of a decent linux version of the MacOS bar ?
[07:10] <bob2> nAmSbReH`: you can buy it on www.transgaming.com
[07:10] <Crys_Win> I can't buy software. Between upgrading my computer, and college I can't afford it.
[07:10] <transgress_> nAmSbReH`: emphasis on buy
[07:11] <nalioth> WebLOCH: try superkaramba, gdesklets or adesklets
[07:11] <xuniluser> bob2: one of my colleagues cant use his serial mouse(COM1), and also she can't change the resolution of her screen, (stuck up with 640x480)
[07:11] <transgress_> Crys_Win: which is where linux comes in for the win
[07:11] <WebLOCH> ty nalioth
[07:11] <signbarn> $5 bucks/month (min 3 months), so $15 at the least
[07:11] <transgress_> xuniluser: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:11] <bob2> xuniluser: you need to manually configure X to use a serial mouse
[07:12] <bob2> xuniluser: the other issue is unrelated; http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:12] <transgress_> xuniluser: is this a very old computer?
[07:12] <xuniluser> transgress_: thanks...
[07:12] <Crys_Win> transgress Yeah, until you get to running games and then you have to pay again.
[07:12] <nAmSbReH`> im from the phil and i don't have a credit card are there any options where i can get it for free?
[07:12] <kevogod> When I try to install Opera 8.5 shared on Breezy, I receive a dependency error telling me that I need libqt3c102-mt. The wiki says that libqt3-mt is Breezy's equivalent, but how do I get Opera to install properly?
[07:12] <bob2> nAmSbReH`: no
[07:12] <transgress_> Crys_Win: you don't have to.  you can keep using cedega and not pay the subscription
[07:12] <xuniluser> transgress_ not so old, (Pentium 3)
[07:12] <bob2> kevogod: get the static version
[07:12] <transgress_> Crys_Win: the subscription just allows you to get updates to it.
[07:12] <DavidLeeRoth> most mobo's have the usb right next to nic
[07:12] <WebLOCH> what is cedega, i hear a lot about it in here
[07:13] <GrannyTux> anybody ever tey ubuntu on a p2 300mhz
[07:13] <Crys_Win> transgress_ Yes, but then it goes out of date.
[07:13] <DavidLeeRoth> why do the cases i am looking at dont
[07:13] <tritium> nAmSbReH`, don't ask about getting software that costs $ for free!
[07:13] <nAmSbReH`> hehehehehe.....
[07:13] <bob2> WebLOCH: www.transgaming.com
[07:13] <thoreauputic> GrannyTux: pentium 200mmx, 64MB RAM
[07:13] <bob2> transgress_: are you joking?
[07:13] <transgress_> Crys_Win: but it doesn't matter if the games you are wanting to play work.  it only matters when trying to play the newest games added
[07:13] <signbarn> WebLOCH: cedega is transgaming's version of wine aimed at gaming -- am i correct?
[07:13] <kevogod> What you do is, go to Wal-Mart or some other evil corporation and then get a bag.  Then run.
[07:13] <transgress_> bob2: i swear it did it.
[07:13] <drogoh> Cedega == WineX == Wine friendly DirectX
[07:14] <GrannyTux> what window manger did you use
[07:14] <thoreauputic> GrannyTux: but it runs fluxbox, not GNOME
[07:14] <Crys_Win> thoreauputic: What are you running on there?
[07:14] <drogoh> Erm.
[07:14] <nalioth> kevogod: not appropriate
[07:14] <transgress_> bob2: it'll run... but it keeps trying to install another kernel with i upgrade
[07:14] <drogoh> Reverse the words on the last one.
[07:14] <eyequeue> kevogod:  during a hurricane?
[07:14] <transgress_> *when i upgrade
[07:14] <thoreauputic> Crys_Win: Hoary, server install lus fluxbox etc
[07:14] <bob2> transgress_: get the static tarball version
[07:14] <thoreauputic> *plus
[07:14] <Crys_Win> thoreauputic: Look anything like damnsmalllinux?
[07:14] <wbeck85> nAmSbReH: http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php
[07:15] <signbarn> right, i ran WoW fine on cedega -- better than on Windows even (with the -opengl option)
[07:15] <transgress_> bob2: yeah i suppose.  it's a nice browser... especially w/o adds... but i think i'll stick with ff... thanks for the suggestion though.
[07:15] <GrannyTux> anything i should look out for what about xfce
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Crys_Win: much better, really
[07:15] <Crys_Win> thoreauputic: Better than dsl?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> Crys_Win: more flexiblity with packages etc
[07:15] <Crys_Win> That's it. I'm installing fluxbox tommorrow.
[07:16] <Crys_Win> Oh, and I can't get my ubuntu installed boot loader to run windows.
[07:16] <WebLOCH> nalioth, gdesklets appears to be sensors and similar useless functions, cant find a launch bar
[07:16] <nalioth> WebLOCH: among those things i mentioned, you will find what you seek
[07:16] <Myrtti> /me likes gdesklets
[07:16] <adjacent> im having a hard time googling this since firefox is out... can i tell apt to opverwrite the conflicting files in firefox, with those in mozilla-firefox dummy package?
[07:17] <bob2> adjacent: what are you doing?
[07:17] <WebLOCH> nalioth, cheers ill keep lookin
[07:17] <nAmSbReH`> do linspire have cedega in them?
[07:17] <adjacent> all backports are out of my sources, just main and universe/multiverse
[07:17] <Crys_Win> WebLOCH: Is a gnome panel with transparency and several launchers not good enough?
[07:17] <transgress_> i must say... i like windows idea of just removing the menu bar.
[07:17] <bob2> adjacent: what are you doing?
[07:17] <Hendric> how can i restrict other users from removing panels on my GNOME menus... can i restrict it to root only? (removing)
[07:17] <adjacent> bob2: trying to fix firefox since i think a backport ate it
[07:17] <nalioth> adjacent: stop using backports
[07:17] <bob2> nAmSbReH`: not in their free version
[07:17] <bob2> adjacent: that's not really answering my question
[07:17] <signbarn> mAmSbReH`: i heard they were teaming up, but i think it's a preview of cedega -- after which you'd need to subscribe for updates still.
[07:17] <transgress_> Hendric: give them a separate account
[07:17] <adjacent> nalioth: a bit late, but they are out
[07:18] <Crys_Win> transgress_ What menu bar?
[07:18] <WebLOCH> Crys_Win, mine doesnt appear to be transparent I assume i need composition manager for that ?
[07:18] <bob2> adjacent: are you upgrading to breezy? getting hoary-security updates?
[07:18] <signbarn> ah, i am corrected :-)
[07:18] <nalioth> adjacent: remove your firefox with --purge
[07:18] <transgress_> Crys_Win: the ones on all windows... the file, help, etc...
[07:18] <adjacent> bob2: i am running apt-get upgrade
[07:18] <Hendric> transgress: it has a separate account..but they keep on removing their panels.. i want to restrict it...
[07:18] <adjacent> nalioth: will purge remove profiles?
[07:18] <bob2> adjacent: just paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood then
[07:18] <bob2> adjacent: no
[07:18] <transgress_> Hendric: restrict their panels?  why?
[07:18] <Crys_Win> WebLOCH: You can make it transparent. click the properties.
[07:18] <nAmSbReH`> i have an installer it just arrived yesterday..... can i use the linspire cedega on ubunut... is it the same?
[07:19] <adjacent> bob2: why do i need to paste them? its just main, multiverse, universe
[07:19] <adjacent> and security of course
[07:19] <bob2> adjacent: because you failed to answer my question
[07:19] <Hendric> so dat they won't be able to remove menus by accidentally rightclicking and removing the panels
[07:19] <Hendric> i'm using ubuntu on my net cafe thats why
[07:19] <transgress_> Hendric: ah i see... but no i don't really know of a way to do that.  1 button mouse maybe?
[07:19] <WebLOCH> Crys_Win, I guess you are right, still  not very  appealing to the eye
[07:20] <nAmSbReH`> i have an installer of linspire it just arrived yesterday..... can i use the linspire cedega on ubunut... is it the same?
[07:20] <bob2> nAmSbReH`: please don't repeat
[07:20] <cafuego_> Hendric: pam_mkhomedir with sane defaults in /etc/skel perhaps; just trash the homedir when a user logs out.
[07:20] <Crys_Win> Okay. Just thought that might help in the mean time. I have seen a real nice one. I don't know where the person found it. good luck.
[07:20] <nAmSbReH`> can i use it?
[07:21] <cafuego_> nAmSbReH`: Have you tried yet and gotten stuck?
[07:21] <Hendric> cafuego: would you rephrase i can't get it
[07:21] <nAmSbReH`> what do u mean?
[07:21] <adjacent> bob2: its all up there if you scroll. ill repaste if youd like thogh
[07:21] <smott> hm. my laptop gets really hot when running xscreensaver (just blank screen)
[07:22] <cafuego_> Hendric: Just assume users will break stuff. Create default menu prefs and copy those prefs to /etc/skel. Then set up pam_mkhomedir, so that a new home directory is created (with defaults from /etc/skel) whenever a user logs in. When the suer logs out, delete their homedir.
[07:22] <bob2> adjacent: there's no menion of he nick "adjacent" in #flood in the past day
[07:23] <nalioth> smott: instead of "blank screen" use the power settings to depower the panel
[07:23] <adjacent> bob2: there is probably no mention of adjacent in #flood ever
[07:23] <adjacent> bob2: but thanks anyway
[07:23] <transgress_> ha
[07:23] <transgress_> bob2: are you confused?  i am
[07:23] <bob2> adjacent: anyway, nalioth's answer may or may not be dangerous, depending on what you're trying to do
[07:24] <Crys_Win> Okay, I'm out.
[07:24] <Crys_Win> I'll see you all later.
[07:24] <transgress_> 15% battery life here.  i'm about to be out lol
[07:24] <bob2> that was why I was trying to find out what exactly you were doing
[07:24] <adjacent> bob2: just what i said.... restore firefox to a working state after an upgrade from backports
[07:25] <bob2> adjacent: dude
[07:25] <adjacent> i was about to purge it... should i not?
[07:25] <bob2> 15:18:09           bob2 | adjacent: are you upgrading to breezy? getting hoary-security updates?
[07:25] <cafuego_> Hendric: This will take some research and worm tos et up, but will save time once it's done.
[07:25] <adjacent> im running hoary.
[07:25] <cafuego_> s/worm/work/
[07:26] <transgress_> k time for me to go take this inside to plug in.  might be back in a bit.
[07:26] <transgress_> gonna go sit in the hottub
[07:26] <smott> nalioth: oh. that'll work too i guess
[07:27] <xuniluser> I have an EPSON lx 300 printer and i'm having a hard time downloading driver... help!
[07:27] <cosz> hello all
[07:28] <delltony> question i have an external harddrive (maxtor onetouch II ) on order i'm curious if it would work with ubuntu and if so how would one mount the drive? do i simply plug it in and type pmount or whatever? is there a wiki on this or a howto on the forums if so i can't seem to find it
[07:28] <coz> Hello again
[07:29] <crimsun> delltony: is it a USB HD?
[07:29] <nalioth> delltony: my firewire external mounts by itself
[07:29] <coz> I need a few suggestions about breezy if anyone can help!
[07:29] <nalioth> coz: ask, dont insinuate
[07:29] <delltony> yeah its a usb 2.0 drive
[07:29] <coz> I have been trying to get dvd to play and can't do it
[07:29] <crimsun> then it'll mount by itself, and an icon will appear on your desktop, when you plug it in
[07:29] <pitti> delltony: just plugging it in should be enough; it's mounted automatically
[07:30] <delltony> aww sweet
[07:30] <phizz-> has anyone gotten a netgear wg111v2 usb adapter working under linux?
[07:30] <delltony> thats good to know can't wait till i get it a 300 gig drive to put all my programs and whatever on it
[07:30] <coz> can anyone help with getting DVD's to play in breezy?
[07:30] <delltony> one thing i really wish i could figure out and id be a 100 percent linux fan
[07:30] <nalioth> delltony: you'll soon be wishing for a .5TB drive.. .. .. ..
[07:31] <delltony> why is it my system ALWAYS borks when it comes upgrade time
[07:31] <delltony> nalioth, your right :)
[07:31] <nalioth> delltony: b/c you dont wait for breezy final to update?
[07:31] <delltony> i like to stay current with the ubuntu builds but here is my problem. i set the thing up like i want with tweaks and so on get it looking all nice then i do a dist-upgrade and its by by linux :(
[07:32] <delltony> well actually in this case your right but in the last case no
[07:32] <WebLOCH> hmm found quite a nice one
[07:32] <delltony> when i went from warty to hoary i waited till the finaly release
[07:32] <delltony> final even
[07:32] <WebLOCH> probably wise dell500
[07:32] <WebLOCH> delltony,
[07:33] <delltony> well thats how i did it but it did not upgrade i got no x server and whatever
[07:33] <transgress_> woo got a strong enough signal to talk inside now
[07:33] <coz> Let me try agin. Can anyone help in getting DVD's to play in Breezy?
[07:33] <transgress_> still time for the hottub though.
[07:33] <delltony> no really complaining just curious to why i can never upgrade :(
[07:33] <delltony> cause its like i have to reinstall linux every 6 months
[07:33] <thoreauputic> coz: you need to be far more specific about your problem
[07:34] <nalioth> delltony: waiting until the next version finals is a good thing
[07:34] <coz> I insert a dvd, Totem grabs it first and I get this error; "dvdnav_get_next_block" error
[07:34] <delltony> i can't wait till the one that is going to give vista a run for its money started witha  d
[07:34] <cmatheson> hey is it lawful to ask about breezy in here? is x broken right now?
[07:34] <delltony> i seen it in the newsletter
[07:34] <coz> With vlc it just sits there and won't open the dvd
[07:34] <tritium> good night
[07:35] <delltony> i would honestly love to see windows beat into the ground :) but anyway
[07:35] <axl> Goodmorning!
[07:35] <delltony> i converted 3 guys at work to linux thanks to ubuntu's help :) add that to your success stories
[07:35] <nalioth> windows talk in #ubuntu-offtopic, please (fire extinguishers available)
[07:36] <delltony> my boss and two other guys that work for us always come to me with computer problems constantly cause they go to websites and get all kinda hooked dlls and so forth and so on
[07:37] <delltony> well they look at me and go why does your computer never have problems :)
[07:37] <bob2> Seveas: I'd be really really careful banning entire ISPs
[07:38] <delltony> i go well try ubuntu and see how you like it with a kde desktop if you are stuck on the windows look and they loved it i went from problems every day to havent' heard for them in 4 months
[07:38] <kemik> delltony:  maybe they've not managed to boot their computers ;)
[07:39] <delltony> haha good one
[07:39] <[LethAL] > lol
[07:39] <[LethAL] > Goob job though if they have
[07:39] <delltony> i know one thing i love it always thought linux was something id always dream of cause i tried it long long time ago
[07:40] <linlin> How can I restrict what host names connect to my ssh server
[07:40] <zarkoth> hey there
[07:40] <coz> The exact phrasing of the error is;; Error invoking "dvdnav_get_next_block"  Error reading NAV packet
[07:40] <zarkoth> Real quick....KDE or Gnome?
[07:40] <wbeck85> gnome
[07:41] <delltony> i use KDE but i'm strange
[07:41] <[LethAL] > Gnome
[07:41] <zarkoth> lol
[07:41] <zarkoth> and how mahy of you have tried KDE ;)
[07:41] <zarkoth> lol
[07:41] <zarkoth> many**
[07:41] <bob2> questions like that are kinda silly
[07:41] <[LethAL] > I have
[07:41] <kevogod> GNOME
[07:41] <Amaranth> zarkoth: Worst. Question. Ever.
[07:41] <bob2> try them both and see which YOU like
[07:41] <zarkoth> is it?
[07:41] <bob2> no one else can guess what you'd prefer
[07:41] <[LethAL] > !start a desktop environment war
[07:41] <ubotu> Not a clue, [LethAL]
[07:41] <delltony> try fluxbox i like it too
[07:41] <[LethAL] > :/
[07:41] <zarkoth> I know, I'm asking them what they prefer, bob2, I think we discussed this....
[07:41] <[LethAL] > Ah well
[07:41] <coz> I have been trying for four days to get DVD's to play in Breezy. help would be great
[07:41] <kevogod> KDE has its advantages. GNOME has more advantages.
[07:42] <Amaranth> ahem
[07:42] <[LethAL] > LOL
[07:42] <desplesda> hi everyone, i just tried to upgrade my breezy installation, and i appear to have lost dpkg in the process
[07:42] <desplesda> what can i do? :P
[07:42] <kevogod> There, solid hard facts to ponder.
[07:42] <thoreauputic> linlin:  /etc/hosts.allow  , /etc/hosts.deny , plus  iptables or firestarter
[07:42] <Amaranth> next person to say KDE is better than GNOME or GNOME is better than KDE gets a stern talking to
[07:42] <bob2> coz: you followed the instructions on the wiki?
[07:42] <julien> back
[07:42] <coz> yes!!!
[07:42] <bob2> desplesda: it is very very hard to get dpkg removed
[07:42] <julien> i made a mistake with mkdir command and now all my file fom hda3 (fat32) is gone !!! :(
[07:42] <[LethAL] > Amaranth... what about "Xfce pwns all"? ;-)
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: fluxbox is better than xfce :P
[07:42] <coz> Novice here so go easy on directions
[07:43] <desplesda> bob2:  yes, i know, but i just ran an update and it failed
[07:43] <bob2> desplesda: apt actually makes you type out "Yes, I know I'm about to break my system." or so
[07:43] <delltony> well i like gnome till they made the menu thing hard as crap to edit (hoary) i ended up having to write a gtk application to change menus by making .desktop files and i got tired of it so thats why i switched
[07:43] <bob2> desplesda: so paste the error to #flood
[07:43] <julien> is there a unerase command in linux ?
[07:43] <bob2> julien: no
[07:43] <kevogod> dell500, Um, ever heard of Smeg?
[07:43] <julien> all gone for ever ??
[07:43] <kevogod> err I mean delltony
[07:43] <nalioth> julien: there is not
[07:43] <julien> nothing to do ?
[07:43] <delltony> kevogod, no can't say that i have
[07:43] <Amaranth> !smeg
[07:43] <ubotu> from memory, smeg is a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[07:44] <bob2> julien: more or less
[07:44] <delltony> aww cool
[07:44] <kevogod> delltony: It is a menu editor that is included by default with Breezy and installable on Hoary.
[07:44] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: advertising is off-topic *grin*
[07:44] <bob2> desplesda: uh
[07:44] <julien> oh my goood !!!
[07:44] <desplesda> bob2:  yeah
[07:44] <bob2> desplesda: apt doesn't remove dpkg without making you beg
[07:44] <DavidLeeRoth> thanks you guys for helping me with my mobo situation
[07:44] <bob2> desplesda: you said yes to it?
[07:44] <DavidLeeRoth> i appreciate it
[07:44] <desplesda> no, all i did was my usual update via update-notifier
[07:44] <WebLOCH> theemes
[07:44] <WebLOCH> anbd icons
[07:45] <adjacent> just posted to #flood, someone mind looking at this error?
[07:45] <Amaranth> desplesda: you have to type a full english sentance at least once
[07:45] <WebLOCH> and pretty
[07:45] <DavidLeeRoth> i now can build an expensive pc for 800
[07:45] <WebLOCH> I love you ubuntu
[07:45] <bob2> adjacent: that command isn't going to do anything useful
[07:45] <Amaranth> desplesda: Something like "Yes, I know what I'm doing"
[07:45] <delltony> cool well i might have to switch back to gnome then one quick question if i want to do that whats the easy way to do it? i installed from the kubuntu cd
[07:45] <DavidLeeRoth> im the happiest dude alieve
[07:45] <kevogod> An expensive PC is not relative.
[07:45] <bob2> adjacent: paste the output of "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:45] <coz> OK! let me put it another way. I use XP Pro, Mac OSx, BeOs, and now Ubuntu Breezy. I love BeOs but the only hoding me back from switching to Ubuntu is the DVD p;ayback issue
[07:45] <delltony> my guess would be install an application that has gnome depends
[07:45] <chris86wm> hey guys
[07:45] <Amaranth> delltony: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:45] <bigfoot1> guys, give me opinion. Should I try to use Powerpoint 2003 in an unknown language, or should I download/use English version of a free powerpoint alternative?
[07:45] <delltony> aww ok
[07:45] <delltony> thanks
[07:45] <desplesda> bob2:  so, basically, the system is quite thoroughly broken
[07:45] <nalioth> delltony: choose at the login screen (see sessions)
[07:45] <linlin> thoreauputic if i add a host to that, will it automatically block all other hosts?
[07:45] <linlin> opps
[07:45] <Amaranth> delltony: then sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop if you want to get rid of it completely
[07:45] <bigfoot1> what's the best free alternative to powerpoint?
[07:45] <bob2> desplesda: I'd be really really really really surprised if apt removed dpkg
[07:45] <kevogod> bigfoot1, Impress
[07:46] <Amaranth> bigfoot1: OpenOffice.org Impress
[07:46] <bob2> desplesda: "grep dpkg /var/log/dpkg.log"
[07:46] <bigfoot1> kevogod, is impress about as good as powerpoint 2003?
[07:46] <coz> So what do I have to do to get these DVD's to Play in Breezy?
[07:46] <kevogod> bigfoot1, Yes.
[07:46] <bob2> adjacent: sudo dpkg --purge --force-depends firefox firefox-gnome-support; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[07:46] <bigfoot1> kevogod, thanks. i'll get it right now. bye for now.
[07:46] <thoreauputic> linlin: well, the info is in the man pages - basically host.allow allows the hosts you specify and none other
[07:46] <chris86wm> does anyone know how to reinstall the alsa-modules?
[07:46] <delltony> well there are some kde apps that  i like like kb3 but i always did like gnome but i switched for the fact as i stated before. i will try it again :) thanks for the tip
[07:47] <Amaranth> desplesda: You typed in that sentence?
[07:47] <linlin> ok
[07:47] <bob2> chris86wm: how did they et removed?
[07:47] <linlin> can i use wildcards in that file?
[07:47] <adjacent> bob2: so... just what i was doing, but through dpkg instead of apt?
[07:47] <DavidLeeRoth> nalioth, i fixed my problem
[07:47] <desplesda> Amaranth:  no, i never did anything but an upgrade via update-notifier
[07:47] <Amaranth> desplesda: When dpkg brings that up you should NEVER do it because you NEVER know what you are doing.
[07:47] <chris86wm> i did it, im stupid i know
[07:47] <WebLOCH> chris86wm, yeah after some problems of my own I have a vague idea
[07:47] <bob2> adjacent: ok...
[07:47] <bigfoot1> should i download the stable version of openoffice.org, or the beta version?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> linlin: hosts.deny is checked, and normally you want it to deny everything
[07:47] <bob2> chris86wm: how did you delete them?
[07:47] <coz> I love XP Pro!
[07:47] <Amaranth> desplesda: This is true for basically everyone except the authors of dpkg and apt. ;)
[07:47] <desplesda> Amaranth:  i was never shown anything, this never even took place on the command line
[07:47] <Amaranth> desplesda: then dpkg can't be removed
[07:47] <delltony> oh one thing someone here might know is there something special that has to be done to get a p2k phone to mount? i know i can use moto4lin but is there not a shell command to mount the phone as a directory?
[07:48] <chris86wm> i removed them thinking that i could easily reinstall. i did this because my sound just stopped working
[07:48] <coz> I also love Spumoni
[07:48] <desplesda> i think that the dpkg package is still there, but the binary is missing
[07:48] <bob2> chris86wm: where "removed" them = random use of rm -r?
[07:48] <bob2> desplesda: do you have dpkg-deb?
[07:48] <xuniluser> where can i find the driver of epson lx300?
[07:48] <nalioth> DavidLeeRoth: great to hear
[07:48] <bob2> xuniluser: ubuntu doesn't include one?
[07:49] <chris86wm> bob2:went to synaptic, right clicked, marked for removal
[07:49] <bigfoot1> do you guys think it's better for me to download/use the beta version of openoffice.org, or should i stick with the stable version?
[07:49] <delltony> anyone else getting this error on upgrading
[07:49] <desplesda> bob2:  it appears not
[07:49] <delltony> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:49] <delltony>  /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb
[07:49] <bob2> chris86wm: what package are you talking about?
[07:49] <bob2> delltony: /topic
[07:50] <pirre> delltony: there must be some other error as well
[07:50] <bob2> delltony: ar? tar?
[07:50] <nalioth> delltony: it's a common bug
[07:50] <WiFiTux> anyone has in idea on how to install a theme for firefox?
[07:50] <delltony> let me look at the topic sorry abut that
[07:50] <dducko> Im trying to play a dvd in totme.. plays fine.. cept it sorta hicups everyonce in a while.
[07:50] <chris86wm> bob2: alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[07:50] <B_166-ER-X> lemme guesse, breezy dont have French language support ?
[07:50] <nalioth> B_166-ER-X: yes it will
[07:51] <B_166-ER-X> but not ..now
[07:52] <B_166-ER-X> i'm installing breezy and i get all those error related to LANG = "fr_CA.UTF-8"
[07:52] <coz> Any luck in playing DVD's in Ubuntu Breezy?
[07:52] <bob2> coz: works fine for me
[07:52] <Sonny_Wertzik> Are there any RSS readers that scroll in the notification bar, and when they go by you can click them and it opens your browser?
[07:52] <coz> can't get it to work
[07:52] <bob2> coz: I don't see where you explained your exact issue, tho
[07:53] <DavidLeeRoth> how is hoary pronounced? Ive embarrased myself pronouncing it wrong lol
[07:53] <coz> OK I put a DVD in the DVD player
[07:53] <WebLOCH> nalioth, other than gDesklets and aDesklets what did you mention ?
[07:53] <bigfoot1> is there any good reason to wait for the official release of breezy (and not get the version currently out now)?
[07:53] <coz> First Totem opens up and give the error, error accessing "dvdnav_get_next_block" error reading NAV packet
[07:53] <[LethAL] > bigfoot1, only if you're new or using machines for production
[07:54] <bob2> bigfoot1: if you can't deal with things being broken, don't use it yet
[07:54] <coz> vlc does nothing but sit there
[07:54] <chris86wm> may have to reinstall ubuntu :(
[07:54] <bob2> coz: don't use totem then
[07:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> bigfoot1, someone told me to wait until OCT 11
[07:54] <bob2> chris86wm: no, don't be silly
[07:54] <nalioth> WebLOCH: superkaramba
[07:54] <coz> have tried otrher apps as well
[07:54] <nalioth> y'all be good
[07:54] <coz> same problem
[07:54] <WebLOCH> ty
[07:54] <[LethAL] > Sonny_Wertzik, 13, not 11 ;)
[07:54] <bigfoot1> are you guys saying then that the official version will have everything fixed?
[07:54] <bob2> coz: mplayer doesn't work?
[07:54] <bob2> bigfoot1: no
[07:54] <coz> I have reinstalled breezy five times already even low formatting disk each time
[07:54] <bob2> chris86wm: that package isn't actually in ubuntu
[07:54] <coz> Still NO dvd playback
[07:54] <Knelix> Q: I've been trying to insatll this driver: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7676.html but the installer keeps telling me it can't find (g)cc, though it seems it is installed. How do I let it know where it is?
[07:54] <bob2> coz: er, reinstalling in the hope of fixing this is silly
[07:54] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya the 13 hehe
[07:54] <bob2> and pointless
[07:55] <chris86wm> why cant i grab it in synaptic?
[07:55] <bigfoot1> bob2, i don't see the difference then between waiting for official version and using the one out now.
[07:55] <bob2> chris86wm: because it's not in ubuntu
[07:55] <coz> I know
[07:55] <bob2> bigfoot1: ok then
[07:55] <chris86wm> lol
[07:55] <coz> I have even changed drives hoping it was just a conflick with the hardware
[07:55] <bob2> coz: mplayer didn't work?
[07:55] <chris86wm> can i get it from ne where?
[07:55] <coz> conflict
[07:55] <bigfoot1> bob2, but if you think i should know something that i don't, tell me.
[07:55] <bob2> chris86wm: it's not actually useful
[07:55] <coz> mplayer didn't work!
[07:56] <bob2> chris86wm: the ubuntu kernel includes alsa modules already
[07:56] <chris86wm> bob2: dont need it for sound?
[07:56] <bob2> coz: "didn't work" is not a useful description of the error mplayer gave you
[07:56] <delltony> coz, how about xine for dvd playback?
[07:56] <bob2> chris86wm: the ubuntu kernel includes sound drivers already
[07:56] <coz> It gave no error it just didn't do anything
[07:56] <coz> the only app the gave an error was totem
[07:56] <bob2> coz: that sounds a lot more like you not running it correctly
[07:56] <Jedrick> whats the difference between  ubuntu and kubuntu
[07:56] <coz> Right!?!
[07:56] <bob2> coz: what command line did you give to mplayer?
[07:57] <bob2> Jedrick: one uses KDE, one uses GNOME
[07:57] <coz> Noveice here, I didn't
[07:57] <bob2> bigfoot1: presumably more bugs will be fixed by then
[07:57] <chris86wm> bob2: well since thats not a major problem how bout this.....sound was working for a month then stopped today when i ran 3 updates then restarted
[07:57] <Sonny_Wertzik> Are there any RSS readers that scroll in the notification bar, and when they go by you can click them and it opens your browser?
[07:57] <signbarn> hey i just noticed slashdot links to a review of breezy :-) sorry if that's old news
[07:57] <bob2> coz: then don't say things like "mplayer didn't work", when in realiy you didn't try it
[07:57] <bob2> coz: ok
[07:57] <bob2> chris86wm: ok
[07:57] <Jedrick> bob2: whats the best thing to use GNOME or KDE?
[07:57] <bob2> chris86wm: go look at what you updated
[07:57] <coz> I really don't need to bne corrected in proper sintax I just need a solution
[07:57] <bob2> Jedrick: whatever you prefer
[07:58] <HrdwrBoB> I use totem mostly
[07:58] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer sometimes
[07:58] <chris86wm> bob2: u can do that?
[07:58] <Jedrick> bob2: what you using then?
[07:58] <bob2> coz: then instead of saying "mplayer didn't work!", tell us what you tried
[07:58] <bob2> Jedrick: gnome
[07:58] <chris86wm> i like gnome over kde
[07:58] <bob2> chris86wm: /var/log/dpkg.log
[07:58] <lorenzod> Jedrick, you're not really limited. Since they're all in the same repos, you can have both.
[07:58] <coz> I installed all the apps , one by one, to see if they would open up the dvd
[07:58] <delltony> i have always like xine or kaffiene for my dvd playback but everyone has their own taste
[07:58] <nightcrawler> how do you make gnome your main thing, i installed kubuntu, and i wanna make gnome my default
[07:58] <coz> of course none did
[07:58] <coz> not even vlc which I would prefer over the others
[07:59] <bob2> coz: so, stop whinging
[07:59] <bob2> coz: and install mplayer
[07:59] <MadpilotPPC> is there no way to move tabs in XChat around, or specify order somehow?
[07:59] <bob2> coz: then come back
[07:59] <coz> whinging?????
[07:59] <bob2> omg lolz!11
[07:59] <delltony> bob looks like its gonna be a long night :)
[07:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> heh im watching a movie on xine right now
[07:59] <WebLOCH> MadpilotPPC, yeah just open them in a specific order haha
[07:59] <coz> print is defininately NOT the best way to get a message across
[07:59] <bob2> coz: pkill esd ; mplayer -vo xv -ao oss dvd://1
[08:00] <nightcrawler> how do you make gnome the default?
[08:00] <Knelix> Q: I've been trying to insatll this driver: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7676.html but the installer keeps telling me it can't find (g)cc, though it seems it is installed. How do I let it know where it is? Anyone?
[08:00] <delltony> Sonny_Wertzik, did you enable dma its off by default
[08:00] <randy> hi 2 all
[08:00] <bob2> coz: run that, then if it doesn't work, put the error on pastebin.ca
[08:00] <chris86wm> bob2: doesnt seem to be in /var/log/
[08:00] <MadpilotPPC> WebLOCH, heh. No, right now they're all alphabetical by channel name, which isn't that useful
[08:00] <Sonny_Wertzik> delltony, was that u that helped me?...ya i got it to work
[08:00] <B_166-ER-X> ok, i have a serious problem here please ;  i would have lots to paste but i'm in the middle of a breezy update, and cannot open firefox  ; basically, theres a small bug at the end of my install that just...stopped it
[08:00] <nightcrawler> can someone help me?
[08:01] <delltony> Sonny_Wertzik, yeah it was glad to have helped
[08:01] <randy> anybody know how use ymesseger with voice
[08:01] <bob2> chris86wm: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out?
[08:01] <randy> in ubuntu
[08:01] <delltony> my way of giving back to all the help this community has given me
[08:01] <bob2> B_166-ER-X: no one can possibly help you without seeing the error
[08:01] <coz> command not found
[08:01] <randy> pls I need help
[08:01] <delltony> folks like bob2 man i couldn't live with linux with folks like him
[08:01] <bob2> coz: so, you don't have mplayer installed at all
[08:01] <delltony> without even
[08:01] <bob2> coz: go install it and come back
[08:01] <coz> not now
[08:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> delltony, thanx man i never woulda figured that 1 out on my own
[08:02] <coz> and I found it difficult to find the darn thing when I did install it
[08:02] <bob2> hah
[08:02] <chris86wm> bob2: dpkg: unknown option -1
[08:02] <delltony> Sonny_Wertzik, yeah you would have
[08:02] <delltony> just would have taken time
[08:02] <nightcrawler> i dont know how to make gnome default or take off kubuntu
[08:02] <bob2> chris86wm: l, not one
[08:02] <nightcrawler> how do i uninstall kubuntu
[08:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> heh maybe but i couldnt find much info on it other than what i was already doing
[08:02] <chris86wm> bob2: huh lol
[08:02] <CaiN_SA> lol bob2
[08:03] <randy> Ubuntu Rocks
[08:03] <CaiN_SA> chris86wm, small case L
[08:03] <delltony> Sonny_Wertzik, well the thing is if you have a problem and you try to fix it yourself you end up learning a lot even if it doesn't fix it
[08:03] <delltony> then when you come to a help forum you can tell them exactly what you have tried and they will respect you for giving it a shot
[08:03] <bob2> yes
[08:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> delltony, ya thats true..sometime it take a few days tho hehehehe
[08:04] <chris86wm> ah
[08:04] <delltony> man you should have seen my trying to install gentoo haha
[08:04] <B_166-ER-X> my install of breezy stopped (i dont think it was finish...but unsure)  because of a bug (i had forgot to remove the Cd rom of hoary from the list of sources) i removed it in the sources, not apt-get update works well, but i dont know how to 'restart the install'
[08:04] <delltony> few days blah more like 2 weeks
[08:05] <delltony> then when i install hoary hahah my monitor looked like a xmas tree
[08:05] <B_166-ER-X> please..
[08:05] <delltony> my xorg file was borked and the monitor would go bright then dark bright then dark haha
[08:05] <B_166-ER-X> do i jsut redo apt-dist upgrade ?
[08:06] <bob2> B_166-ER-X: your question is confusing
[08:06] <Sonny_Wertzik> delltony, i tried it.....it woulda taken me 2 months for gentoo
[08:06] <bob2> B_166-ER-X: where you upgrading hoary or actually installing breezy?
[08:06] <chris86wm> bob2: ii libc6 2.3.4.ds1-20ub GNU C Library: Shared Libraries and Timezone
[08:06] <B_166-ER-X> upgrading
[08:06] <B_166-ER-X> to breezy
[08:06] <lasse> lasse
[08:06] <bob2> B_166-ER-X: right
[08:06] <bob2> B_166-ER-X: rerun dist-upgrade, yes
[08:06] <delltony> Sonny_Wertzik, you ever played with usb over ip?
[08:06] <Sonny_Wertzik> delltony, i like ubuntu alot...i wount be going back 2 windows as a main OS
[08:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> delltony, nope
[08:07] <WebLOCH> Anyone else her have any idea about mac style dock bars for linux?
[08:07] <delltony> yeah i ditched windows when warty came out
[08:07] <B_166-ER-X> damn took like 2 hours,  ..nyway
[08:07] <B_166-ER-X> thx
[08:07] <delltony> and now breezy and all the hotplugs and all oh my god i'm in love
[08:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> delltony, heh i havent tried linux in a while but im pretty much blow away
[08:08] <Jedrick> ey i juz finish downloading the iso, how to check if its not corrupt
[08:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> blown away hehe
[08:08] <delltony> only thing Breezy is lackin for me to to be totally in love is a set of boobs :)
[08:08] <bimberi> B_166-ER-X: it shouldn't restart any downloads, just restart where it left off
[08:08] <chrisa86wm> is breezy stable yet?
[08:08] <bob2> Jedrick: md5sum foo.iso
[08:08] <bob2> chris86wm: no
[08:09] <bob2> chris86wm: no release of ubuntu has that version of libc6
[08:09] <aftertaf> delltony> i'm sure you can get a pair of usb ones and make your life complete... ;)
[08:09] <ce_maniezzzz> leh kenal ga ?
[08:09] <chrisa86wm> bob2: what does that mean?
[08:09] <delltony> haha
[08:09] <bigfoot1> i just got oo.o impress. are there some templates for those who want to do a "show and tell" on their photo album?
[08:09] <Unition> hola
[08:09] <bob2> chrisa86wm: I don't know
[08:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> delltony, i tried the live disk but it doesnt reallly do much for me on CD...i need to install it
[08:10] <bob2> chrisa86wm: I'd guess you were trackign breezy but stopped upgrading a while a go
[08:10] <chrisa86wm> let me paste it
[08:10] <bob2> chrisa86wm: or tried to switch back to hoary at some point
[08:10] <chrisa86wm> bob2: ii  libc6          2.3.2.ds1-20ub GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
[08:10] <delltony> yeah the live cd i only use it for rescue
[08:10] <chrisa86wm> i havent touched breezy, unless it was in an autoupdate
[08:10] <delltony> lets me get a shell and then i can fix my install most of the time
[08:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> the new boot screen is purdy tho
[08:10] <bob2> chrisa86wm: that's different to what you showed me before
[08:10] <Unition> is ubuntu any good ?
[08:10] <chrisa86wm> i typed that one manually, sry
[08:10] <bob2> Unition: try it and see
[08:11] <bob2> chrisa86wm: ah
[08:11] <chrisa86wm> sry about hat
[08:11] <chrisa86wm> *that
[08:11] <Sonny_Wertzik> Unition, ya its good
[08:11] <Unition> im usually on dialup and im grabbing the live while im on highspeed
[08:11] <delltony> yeah one thing about the boot screen though is this if it runs into a a lag time on setting up the network the boot splash goes away
[08:11] <bob2> Unition: note that you cannot install from the livecd
[08:11] <Sonny_Wertzik> wierd
[08:11] <Unition> going to play with it at home.. does ubuntu include lots of goody's like wine and k3b or whatever that burn program is
[08:12] <Sonny_Wertzik> maybe thats one of those quirks that need to be fixed by oct. 13
[08:12] <xuniluser> Unition: you need to apt-get that from the internet
[08:12] <Jedrick> bob2: do i have to download the md5sum foo.iso?
[08:13] <zarkoth> does anyone else's speakers make a very quiet humming noise any time they move their mouse?
[08:13] <Unition> ubuntu has good support for hardware ?
[08:13] <Unition> including video ?
[08:13] <delltony> someone told me there is a hotplug for wifi now and i read up on it and for the life of me couldn't figure it out so is ndiswrapper still needed in breezy or not? cause its the only way i could get my wifi to work
[08:13] <Sonny_Wertzik> Unition, what do u have?
[08:13] <Unition> windows xp
[08:13] <bob2> Jedrick: that's a command to run
[08:13] <chrisa86wm> better hardware support than windows in most situations
[08:13] <bob2> Unition: yes
[08:13] <Jedrick> where?
[08:13] <Unition> oh I have an ati video card
[08:13] <bob2> delltony: hotplug is orthogonal to ndiswrapper
[08:14] <bob2> delltony: tho it could be possibly to make cards requiring ndiswrapper work automatically
[08:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> delltony, man that wifi stuff is beyond me ive never had it
[08:14] <chrisa86wm> hmmm
[08:14] <delltony> so pardon my ignorance but your saying just continue to use ndiswrapper bob?
[08:14] <Sonny_Wertzik> ya i think ati makes vid drivers
[08:14] <zarkoth> I tried to get my wireless card to work with Ubuntu once....
[08:15] <bob2> delltony: unless a new driver for your card has appeared, yeah
[08:15] <zarkoth> turns out I had exactly the wrong card for it
[08:15] <MachineScrew> hey can any one tell me how to get w32codecs libdvdcss2
[08:15] <delltony> ok thanks
[08:15] <delltony> Sonny_Wertzik, i can't live without wifi
[08:15] <zarkoth> *ponders as he looks at the ethernet cord running up the wall*
[08:15] <chrisa86wm> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:15] <delltony> here in the states you can go to mcdonalds and use the net for free
[08:15] <Sonny_Wertzik> MachineScrew, are you trying to use them for xine
[08:15] <MachineScrew> yes
[08:16] <Jedrick> bob2: where will i run the md5sum foo.iso?
[08:16] <MachineScrew> totem-xine
[08:16] <bigfoot1> what's the chatroom adress for openoffice.org?
[08:16] <bob2> Jedrick: in the terminal
[08:16] <Sonny_Wertzik> MachineScrew, ya i just went through this
[08:16] <MachineScrew> ok
[08:16] <delltony> sudo apt-get install w32codecs should do the trick for you
[08:16] <chrisa86wm> bob2: any ideas?
[08:16] <Sonny_Wertzik> MachineScrew, you need to get...one sec im looking at the stuff i d/l ed
[08:16] <bob2> chrisa86wm: no
[08:17] <chrisa86wm> lol
[08:17] <romeo> hi
[08:17] <bob2> I guess you havent' done the usual debugging stuff, and I don't have time to walk you through it, sorry
[08:17] <romeo> i need fe
[08:17] <chrisa86wm> its alright
[08:17] <romeo> need f texmate
[08:17] <chrisa86wm> sucks that the forums are down, i would check there
[08:17] <MachineScrew> have you guys actualy tried to get this stuff
[08:17] <romeo> od
[08:18] <MachineScrew> they aren't in the backports
[08:18] <zarkoth> it does suck...I posted a question a lil bit ago....
[08:18] <delltony> what w32codecs?
[08:18] <romeo> hi machine
[08:18] <MachineScrew> ya
[08:18] <zarkoth> got it all worked out, i hope no one took time to answer it, lol
[08:18] <delltony> i'm using it right now
[08:18] <MachineScrew> hey
[08:18] <Sonny_Wertzik> MachineScrew, you need to compile this file get it on the xine site ... xine-lib-1.1.0.tar.gz
[08:18] <romeo> asl
[08:18] <romeo> machine
[08:18] <MachineScrew> wtf
[08:18] <romeo> wat
[08:18] <romeo> dat
[08:18] <doonz> Hey guys has anyone had issues upgrading to firefox 1.07?
[08:18] <Knelix> Has anyone an idea of how to tell an installer where the (g)cc libraries/app are?
[08:19] <Kimahri> doonz: it's in the topic
[08:19] <linner|AWAY> !seen nalioth
[08:19] <ubotu> nalioth <n=Apple@pdpc/supporter/bronze/nalioth> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 24m 50s ago, saying: 'y'all be good'.
[08:19] <MachineScrew> why don't I just get the rpms and do alien on them
[08:19] <romeo> hello
[08:19] <doonz> there it is
[08:19] <Knelix> romeo: Hello. :-)
[08:19] <romeo> hi
[08:20] <romeo> asl
[08:20] <Jedrick> bob2: man i really dont have any idea bout the md5sum foo.iso, can you help me out
[08:20] <delltony> MachineScrew, if you do get the tar ball and do the .configure and make do a checkinstall instead of a make install that way it will make a deb and put it in synaptic for you :)
[08:20] <linner> hi romeo and Knelix
[08:20] <romeo> HI
[08:20] <romeo> ASL
[08:20] <romeo> PLS
[08:20] <delltony> 26/yep love it/ wherever she takes me
[08:20] <Sonny_Wertzik> MachineScrew, its not just llibdvdcss ...you need a ton of files that are in that pack..libdvdcss alone isnt enough
[08:20] <Knelix> romeo: This is a Linux chat room.
[08:20] <MachineScrew> if I do alien -d libdvdcss
[08:20] <Knelix> romeo: If you want a general topic chat you should go elsewhere.
[08:21] <MachineScrew> i should have those
[08:21] <MachineScrew> i have xine libs installed
[08:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> not enough of them
[08:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> its really easy
[08:21] <concept10> whooooosh .... just installed breezy colony 4 and everything just works (tm) even processor scaling!
[08:21] <MachineScrew> ok
[08:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> you can try what delltony just said but it didnt work that way for me
[08:22] <mae> concept10, glad to hear :)
[08:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> MachineScrew,  are you using xine 99.4?
[08:22] <delltony> libdvdread3 - Simple foundation for reading DVDs
[08:22] <delltony> type sudo apt-get install libdvdread3
[08:23] <concept10> They should make some visual changes to the theme to let everyone know you have a 'fresh' update
[08:23] <bigfoot1> using impress, is there a quick way to get a picture to fit on the screen at the best maximum size?
[08:23] <joe_> hi
[08:23] <Jedrick> ey i juz finish downloading the iso, how to check if its not corrupt?
[08:23] <concept10> I wish I could import all of my settings from my old home folder
[08:23] <joe_> can someone help a newb?
[08:24] <linner> what is a recommended package for listening to podcasts
[08:24] <MachineScrew> I use totem-xine
[08:24] <ubuntuking> hello all
[08:24] <joe_> hi
[08:24] <Knelix> It bugs me that I can't even install a lousy NVIDA driver... <sigh>
[08:24] <Knelix> *NVIDIA
[08:24] <Jedrick> anyone?
[08:24] <MachineScrew> it uses 1.0.1 of the libs
[08:24] <joe_> can you all read me?
[08:24] <Sonny_Wertzik> oh...i thought you were using xine...not totem
[08:24] <chrisa86wm> when breezy comes out, can  i update to it or will i have to reinstall everything?
[08:24] <MachineScrew> well totem-xine
[08:24] <linner> joe_: yes
[08:24] <joe_> thank god
[08:24] <MachineScrew> I don't like gstreamer
[08:25] <joe_> i havea quick question
[08:25] <MachineScrew> pain in the but
[08:25] <romeo> HI
[08:25] <delltony> ever used ogle?
[08:25] <MachineScrew> souldn't be installed
[08:25] <ubuntuking> yeah
[08:25] <MachineScrew> don't like ogle
[08:25] <linner> joe_: I'll do my best to help you... I'm very VERY new
[08:25] <ubuntuking> but i like vlc or totem bette
[08:25] <ubuntuking> *better
[08:25] <doonz> uh oh i think something is buggerd now. i tried installing firefox through terminal using the stuff provided by the topic url. Now it say starting firefox then it closes and thats it
[08:25] <MachineScrew> totem works the best
[08:25] <Sonny_Wertzik> MachineScrew, i would say go to xine site and look for totem-xine and find the lib pack that goes with it and install it
[08:25] <joe_> ample"i'm trying to changemy workgroup setting from workgroup to "exp
[08:25] <romeo> WHRE ARE U KNELE
[08:25] <Kimahri> i prefer either GMplayer or Xine
[08:25] <joe_> EXAMPLE
[08:25] <delltony> i hate totem but i guess it hates me too
[08:25] <ubuntuking> have u ever tried vlc
[08:26] <MachineScrew> I have the lib pack
[08:26] <delltony> i use xine,mplayer,vlc,ogle
[08:26] <kataklysm> totem-xine is probably the best thhing to listen to podcast with if you dont like just plain Xine,  but you will want to install the libmad0 library as well
[08:26] <MachineScrew> I need the w32codecs
[08:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> MachineScrew, then you can do your libdvdcss alien
[08:26] <MachineScrew> ok thanks
[08:26] <ubuntuking> machine i was just googling for those
[08:26] <linner> joe_: I'm not an expert on networking... I'll have to let someone else help you.  I'm deeply sorry.
[08:26] <joe_> np thanks
[08:26] <romeo> HI
[08:26] <Sonny_Wertzik> alien rules
[08:26] <linner> joe_: absolutely
[08:26] <delltony> Machine i thought w32codecs was in hoary-backports
[08:26] <MachineScrew> actualy totem-xine is in the repos
[08:26] <MachineScrew> not any more
[08:26] <romeo> AGTAKAYO,
[08:27] <romeo> NATALUSAN
[08:27] <ubuntuking> hoary backports is down
[08:27] <romeo> NANGULA
[08:27] <MachineScrew> no
[08:27] <MachineScrew> it isn't
[08:27] <kataklysm> linner: who needs help with networking?
[08:27] <delltony> well im using breezy so can't voice for hoary
[08:27] <linner> kataklysm: joe_
[08:27] <MachineScrew> I am using them
[08:27] <joe_> me
[08:27] <linner> kataklysm: thank you
[08:27] <Knelix> How can I modify files in Gnome as root?
[08:27] <ubuntuking> i am using breezy too
[08:27] <joe_> kata
[08:27] <kataklysm> joe_: what is going on
[08:27] <ubuntuking> but i have the hoary backports activated
[08:27] <MachineScrew> gksudo
[08:27] <ubuntuking> lately there are not loading
[08:27] <MachineScrew> same here
[08:27] <joe_> i can't seem to figure out how to change the default workgroup
[08:28] <joe_> to a speicified one
[08:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> i gotta go to bed....gnite all ...thx again delltony for the help
[08:28] <kataklysm> in samba?
[08:28] <delltony> wanting to change a workgroup on a file?
[08:28] <linner> joe_: if you type the first few letters of the person's nick followed by a tab... it will complete the nick for you... then that person will be alerted you are trying to talk with them
[08:28] <joe_> ubuntu
[08:28] <MachineScrew> extras don't work
[08:28] <joe_> ic thanks
[08:28] <linner> joe_: absolutely
[08:28] <MachineScrew> no they do
[08:28] <delltony> chown username:group <file> is how i always do it
[08:28] <Knelix> Hmm... Not able to...
[08:28] <MachineScrew> ok never mind
[08:28] <MachineScrew> on sec
[08:28] <doonz> uh oh i think something is buggerd now. i tried installing firefox through terminal using the stuff provided by the topic url. Now it say starting firefox then it closes and thats it
[08:29] <joe_> kataklysm, i'm trying to change my default workgroup to somehting else
[08:29] <kataklysm> joe_: you call it a "workgroup" are you referring to the hostname / domain of your *nix install? or are you speaking of "workgroup" as in filesharing for compatability with windows machines?
[08:29] <linner> aftertaf: hey dude :)
[08:29] <joe_> kataklysm, i believe the second
[08:30] <linner> must have been something I said :)
[08:30] <kataklysm> joe_: have you installed samba and swat?
[08:30] <joe_> kataklysm,  no i have not
[08:30] <azteech> seeing how the formum is still down, does anyone know if disabling ipv6 still causes problems for ubuntu 5.10?
[08:30] <kataklysm> try that joe_
[08:30] <delltony> good night everyone
[08:30] <joe_> i will. thanks
[08:30] <linner> delltony: night
[08:30] <linner> wb aftertaf ::)
[08:31] <ubuntuking> azteech, i don't think so
[08:31] <zealotus> i have a problem with my newly installed ubuntu. my mouse doesnt seem to work while im using ubuntu but if i use windows it works well. my mouse is ps2 by the way
[08:31] <bob2> I wish people didn't lean so hard on the forum
[08:31] <kataklysm> your welcome joe_
[08:31] <benplaut> trying to figure this out for a while... how do i make an image grayscale in gimp?
[08:31] <linner> bob2: why?
[08:31] <linner> bob2: that's what it's there for
[08:32] <azteech> bob2, I use google, quite readily, but, as you may note, googlereply mostly point to theforum
[08:32] <bob2> linner: because the forums people operate independantly of the rest of the ubuntu world
[08:32] <bob2> so you et duplication of work, and rumours turning into fact
[08:32] <benplaut> trigger_ph: i think they auto-form to the size of the font, and amount of text
[08:33] <linner> bob2: understand you're point of view
[08:33] <nickrud> benplaut, right click, image -> mode
[08:33] <trigger_ph> benplaut: so there's no way for me to constrain this?
[08:33] <azteech> besides the forum, what would you recommend we use then (besides google searches)
[08:33] <benplaut> trigger_ph: i dunno...
[08:33] <bob2> azteech: the wiki and the mailing list
[08:33] <benplaut> nickrud: heh... someone in #gimp answered at the same time :P
[08:33] <linner> bob2: when you said the "forum" do you mean the IRC room?
[08:34] <Knelix> I cannot login as root in Gnome...
[08:34] <trigger_ph> benplaut: ok...thanks, i'll read some more..
[08:34] <nickrud> a common action in my work world :)
[08:34] <linner> in case anyone's interested there' s a good Ubuntu group on Yahoo! groups
[08:34] <bob2> linner: no, the web forums
[08:34] <kataklysm> anyone whats this weeks diggnation yet?
[08:35] <linner> bob2: oh that's a different story
[08:35] <bob2> and yahoo groups split the community up even more
[08:35] <linner> kataklysm: I wish I could tell you....
[08:35] <linner> kataklysm: I love them and haven't been able to listen to them since I went *nix
[08:35] <kataklysm> linner: im gonna download it now i guess
[08:35] <linner> kataklysm: how do you listen to them?
[08:35] <kataklysm> linner: they have video now
[08:36] <linner> oh... :(
[08:36] <linner> I want back my podcasts...
[08:36] <B_166-ER-X> what does the breezy upgrade is suposed to do when its finished ?
[08:36] <linner> the only thing i miss from windose
[08:36] <kataklysm> linner: i watch diggnation, twit, thebroken, and systm
[08:36] <linner> kataklysm: TWiT.... I love them
[08:36] <linner> kataklysm: i listen to Leo on KFI every weekend ... cause I'm local
[08:37] <kataklysm> linner: you can watch them on your *nix.. just install xine-ui and download the avi files
[08:37] <linner> kataklysm: so am I correct we cannot listen to podcasts?
[08:37] <bimberi> Knelix: don't do it if you can avoid it, but if you must - System -> Admin -> Login Screen Setup; Security tab
[08:37] <kataklysm> linner: i watch them all the time
[08:37] <nickrud> B_166-ER-X, not much, until you log out and back in. You'll have new versions of your programs after that.
[08:37] <linner> kataklysm: but it's a huge file huh?
[08:37] <kataklysm> listen rather
[08:37] <linner> kataklysm: when did TWiT go avi?
[08:37] <kataklysm> depends on if you want video or audio
[08:37] <linner> kataklysm: audio
[08:37] <mojo> Hi.  is anyone on good with atp/dpkg errors?  I have two problems. One is that I getseveral dpkg "serious warning: file list file for package" blah errors that seems otherwise harmless.
[08:37] <kataklysm> hmm i think it was in august linner
[08:37] <B_166-ER-X> so there is no way to know if its really finish until i reboot and see that it doest boot ? ;P
[08:38] <linner> kataklysm: man... really?  odd... I've only been on this for a month
[08:38] <kataklysm> linner: everything you did in windows you can do on here ;)
[08:38] <linner> kataklysm: so podcasting  can not be heard by itself?
[08:38] <linner> kataklysm: not watch DVD
[08:38] <linner> at least that's what i understand
[08:38] <kataklysm> linner: yea you can
[08:38] <IRCMonkey> hey guys, looking for some help here
[08:39] <kataklysm> linner: xine will playback anything as long as you install the libraries
[08:39] <linner> and i know i can't close my lid of my laptop with out it going into an unrecoverable sleep.... ATI driver prob
[08:39] <nickrud> B_166-ER-X, no, if the upgrade didn't tell you about any errors, then the install went well.
[08:39] <linner> kataklysm: what is xine?
[08:39] <CaiN_SA> xine is a movie / dvd player
[08:39] <kataklysm> Xine is a audio/video player for unix
[08:39] <linner> oh it is????
[08:39] <linner> right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:39] <linner> I didn't know
[08:39] <kataklysm> *nix rather
[08:39] <mojo> Second is an error processing two pkgs (firefox and gnome support for it) where it is failing to overwrite something in /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename/somethingorother when extracting the debs.
[08:40] <kataklysm> totem will play anything xine will play if you install totem-xine
[08:40] <linner> kataklysm: answer this for me... why the "*" before "nix"
[08:40] <IRCMonkey> i just tried running the 5.04 ubuntu live cd, i recieved an error about my video hardware not being supported (i think) anybody able to help me here?
[08:40] <nickrud> the kernel upgrade, now that I think about it, I don't have any opinion on. I have my own menu.lst.
[08:40] <kataklysm> linner, its just a way of abreviation for different types of unix based systems
[08:40] <linner> oh okay
[08:40] <marc`> whats wrong with the random in Mplayer?
[08:40] <bob2> ubotu: ff fix is sudo dpkg --purge --force-depends firefox firefox-gnome-support ; sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[08:40] <ubotu> okay, bob2
[08:40] <kataklysm> *nix refers to bsd/linux/solaris/unix etc
[08:40] <linner> IRCMonkey: what kind of card do you have?
[08:40] <bob2> mojo: ^^
[08:41] <IRCMonkey> eVGA 5400 PCI
[08:41] <bob2> mojo: assuming that yu're getting it while updating from hoary-security after having used firefox backports
[08:41] <Knelix> bimberi: Well that did something, but not what I wanted... <sigh>.. thanks, anyway.
[08:41] <linner> IRCMonkey: I caution you I don't have a lot of experience.  But I will do my best to help.
[08:41] <IRCMonkey> thanks, better than nothing
[08:41] <linner> IRCMonkey: Did you check the site for hardware compatibility?
[08:41] <mojo> thanks bob trying that now
[08:41] <bimberi> Knelix: oh, you're welcome (i think) :)
[08:42] <IRCMonkey> yes, it referred me to x.org
[08:42] <linner> IRCMonkey: what did they say?
[08:42] <mojo> bob2: thanks!  that helped.
[08:42] <Knelix> bimberi: Just not my night... I should go to bed, but I'm not tired... trying to fiddle with this system is getting me frustrated tonight...
[08:43] <linner> wb aftertaf
[08:43] <linner> :)
[08:43] <IRCMonkey> linnear, for all i can tell, i have to install something, *.tar files i think...
[08:43] <kataklysm> IRCMonkey: thats weird that it said your card isnt supported, maybe you could get away with using the VESA driver, or SVGA generic
[08:43] <linner> IRCMonkey: ok that is a compressed file
[08:43] <linner> kataklysm: i just had to do that... but i can't remember how to walk him through that... can you help?
[08:43] <IRCMonkey> never heard of .tar, does winrar support it?
[08:43] <kataklysm> IRCMonkey: i'd say its a compressed module
[08:44] <linner> IRCMonkey: winrar is a windows decompresser
[08:44] <ekimus> hi, anyone knows of tools to create compressed fs in other OSs (bsd) the linux binary compatibility won't work because it's a kernel module...
[08:44] <mojo> bob2: I am now upgraded.  Do you know anything about the .list files that dpkg keeps complaining about on every install now?  Things seem to work but the warnings are given as "serious"...
[08:44] <kataklysm> IRCMonkey: winrar does open tar files in windows, but in linux u can use the tar command or use File Roller
[08:45] <IRCMonkey> ok, i dont know much if anything about linux systems though, i was hoping i could bumble by with the gui
[08:45] <bob2> mojo: you'd need to show us the whole error
[08:45] <kataklysm> IRCMonkey,  you wont get the driver installed from the GUI
[08:45] <mojo> okay how about a snip, since it repeats for several packages (no floods, eh? :)
[08:45] <linner> IRCMonkey: you'll have to use terminal to install it
[08:45] <kataklysm> IRCMonkey: you will need to learn the common linux commands anyway, might as well get a good start ;)
[08:46] <mojo> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `docbook-dsssl' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[08:46] <mojo> dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `xaw3dg' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[08:46] <linner> kataklysm: where do you get them?
[08:46] <mojo> and so on
[08:46] <MadpilotPPC> !tell IRCMonkey about cli
[08:46] <IRCMonkey> so, should i try install the drivers from windows and then try to reboot into ubuntu again
[08:46] <nickrud> IRCMonkey, File Roller is also known as Archive Manger, you can find it under Applications->Accessories
[08:46] <bob2> mojo: that means someone poked where they shouldn't, or you have disk corruption
[08:46] <kataklysm> linner: get what?
[08:46] <linner> kataklysm: a guide for basic unix commands
[08:46] <linner> IRCMonkey: NO!
[08:46] <IRCMonkey> ok then
[08:47] <kataklysm> IRCMonkey: you cant install drivers for linux from windows, they are independant of each other
[08:47] <linner> IRCMonkey: you need to install them in the Ubuntu boot
[08:47] <mojo> disk corruption, eh?  can I check the root fs manually or have to boot another root?
[08:47] <IRCMonkey> could you refer me to a guide of common linux commands
[08:47] <MadpilotPPC> !tell linner about cli
[08:47] <MadpilotPPC> IRCMonkey, see the msg ubotu just sent you
[08:47] <jack> i can't  upgrade mozilla-firefox
[08:47] <linner> MadpilotPPC: you rock... thank you :)
[08:47] <anna_> can someone tell me why my usb flash drive is not appearing it the "computeR" window? it's light is on
[08:47] <ubuntuking> ger breezy clo 5
[08:47] <mojo> bob2: if i fix disk corruption (assuming i have it), will it be better or do I have to replacesome files
[08:47] <ekimus> mojo: root filesystem checking is best to do offline (with a live cd) in case you have to correct serious errors (man fsck is your friend here)
[08:47] <bob2> mojo: you can run debsums to see what the damag is like
[08:48] <IRCMonkey> pilot, ok, what am i lookng for?
[08:48] <kataklysm> IRCMonkey: most likely you will need to install the linux-headers for the kernel, download build-essential  then you will probably have to just compile the driver, and modprobe it into the kernel.. its really not hard to do at all
[08:48] <ekimus> mojo: but it can be done online
[08:48] <MadpilotPPC> linner, np
[08:48] <lasindi[lappy] > Hi all, I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop and I have to say, I'm very impressed. One thing I'm wondering about is that Emacs appears too large. Is there a way to shrink it down?
[08:48] <mojo> so like sudo fsck / will work?
[08:48] <bob2> no
[08:48] <ekimus> lasindi[lappy] : what did you install to get emacs?
[08:49] <MadpilotPPC> IRCMonkey, I had ubotu send you a message a few minutes ago. it's got two good Linux command line intro URLs in it...
[08:49] <bob2> you want to run debsums, not fsck
[08:49] <IRCMonkey> im probably gonna have to try this tomarrow, sounds like i need to get some bacground info before another attempt, thanks for your help though
[08:49] <mojo> debsums...
[08:49] <bob2> lasindi[lappy] : the fonts? the window size?
[08:49] <IRCMonkey> thanks pilot
[08:49] <ekimus> bob2: what's debsums? he was talking about fs corruption?
[08:49] <lasindi[lappy] > ekimus, I used Synaptic
[08:49] <mojo> command not found, find won't find it...  no debsums
[08:49] <lasindi[lappy] > bob2, both
[08:49] <kataklysm> IRCMonkey just come back when you need more help :D
[08:49] <aftertaf> hi linner :) wb yourself ;)
[08:50] <IRCMonkey> that wont be too far into the future kata
[08:50] <ekimus> lasindi[lappy] : i meant what was the package name? (btw. have you used linux before just to make out the level of experience)
[08:50] <IRCMonkey> thanks again guys
[08:50] <mojo> ekimus: the dpkg error could be from disk corruption
[08:50] <kataklysm> IRCMonkey there is nothing wrong with that
[08:50] <bob2> lasindi[lappy] : with X resources, or shift-left-click on the main portion of the window
[08:50] <kataklysm> no prob IRCMonkey
[08:50] <joerg> has anyone got experiences with skype on ubuntu? mine is extremely slow.
[08:50] <bob2> lasindi[lappy] : for thwe window, metacity should remember the size for you
[08:50] <lasindi[lappy] > ekimus, I'm new to Ubuntu, but I've been using Slackware for a while now.
[08:50] <mojo> apt-getting debsums...
[08:51] <Mr-Falkor> I cant install the nvidia drivers,.. I`ve tryed the nvidia-glx package, and the official drivers(yes I have the kernel source/headers),.. but then I got this error: Unable to load module nvidia.ko !
[08:51] <linner> kataklysm: i had to step away ... is IRCMonkey ok with his drivers now?
[08:51] <bob2> Mr-Falkor: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:52] <lasindi[lappy] > ekimus, the package is emacs21.
[08:52] <kataklysm> linner, he said he was going to wait until tomorrow
[08:52] <Mr-Falkor> bob2, thank you, but one problem -- cant find the  linux-restricted-modules for my kernel
[08:52] <jack> i can't  upgrade mozilla-firefox! and now i can't use the firefox!
[08:52] <linner> kataklysm: i hope he isn't too scared away
[08:52] <kataklysm> linner, he was going to read up on the commands
[08:52] <linner> kataklysm: i think that's excellent... something i'm going to do too
[08:53] <bob2> Mr-Falkor: please don't tell me you're using 2.6.11
[08:53] <lasindi[lappy] > bob2, how do I use metacity to fix the size?
[08:53] <Mr-Falkor> bob2, im using 2.6.12-9-386
[08:53] <kataklysm> linner, play around with the commands just dont try nothing that will mess things up heh
[08:53] <bob2> jack: .msg ubuntuking ff fix
[08:53] <Mr-Falkor> bob2, but I can only find it for 2.6.12-8-386
[08:53] <kataklysm> linner, the only way to learn is to practice what you have read
[08:53] <linner> kataklysm: oh I'm not going to play with them... i'm going to scan over them and then use them when i need something before i come to the chat room
[08:53] <linner> :)
[08:53] <mojo> bob2: debsums is cranking away...  has a few FAILEDs but I guess I'll have to grep it for the pertinent list
[08:53] <ekimus> lasindi[lappy] : ubuntu tries for a lots of packages to include as much as possible to make it convenient for non-linux users. in debian-based distros you can use dpkg -L <name of package> to list the files in there. maybe you should have a into that. there's a good possibility that the maintainers included some convenience features that take up space
[08:53] <bob2> Mr-Falkor: according to packages.ubuntu.com, it exists
[08:54] <bob2> Mr-Falkor: sudo apt-get update, maybe?
[08:54] <Mr-Falkor> humm
[08:54] <bob2> mojo: yup, exactly
[08:54] <Mr-Falkor> *checking*
[08:54] <jack> bob: sorry, what's means?
[08:55] <ekimus> damn are there any project to create faster hard disks? i really get sick that i have to wait for IO to finish...
[08:55] <lasindi[lappy] > ekimus, why would that fix the size of emacs?
[08:55] <lasindi[lappy] > oh wait
[08:55] <bob2> jack: /msg ubuntuking ff fix
[08:55] <bob2> BAH
[08:55] <bob2> ubuntuking: please choose a less annoying nick
[08:55] <bob2> jack: /msg ubotu ff fix
[08:55] <lasindi[lappy] > ekimus, sorry, I meant the size of Emacs in terms of screen real estate.
[08:55] <MadpilotPPC> ekimus, you could cough up for one of those 10,000rpm HDDs...
[08:55] <bob2> jack: the bot will tell you how to fix it
[08:56] <khermans> bob2, you know anything about the resize partition option in the new Breezy install being broken?
[08:56] <lasindi[lappy] > ekimus, not RAM or hard drive space. ;)
[08:56] <linner> MadpilotPPC: what PPC are you using?
[08:56] <ekimus> lasindi[lappy] : oh.....got you wrong on that sorry. dunno i usually use it fullscreen in a term over ssh :)
[08:56] <khermans> seems like it just hangs before it gets to resizing the NTFS
[08:57] <bob2> khermans: no
[08:57] <bob2> khermans: if it's not working for you, please do file a bug
[08:57] <khermans> bob2, i have seen it on two machines now -- but never seen it work so dont know if it is a bug
[08:57] <khermans> it comes up as /part
[08:57] <lasindi[lappy] > ekimus, ok, thanks anyway
[08:57] <bob2> how long did you wait?
[08:58] <khermans> probably at least an hour
[08:58] <MadpilotPPC> linner, a friend's G4 - I'm housesitting for two weeks...
[08:58] <linner> MadpilotPPC: does PPC stand for POWERpc or POCKETpc with *nix
[08:58] <Mr-Falkor> I think it is working now
[08:58] <Mr-Falkor> thank you guys:)
[08:58] <khermans> and the partition was fine, so it didnt start doing anything and fail
[08:58] <MadpilotPPC> linner, Power
[08:58] <linner> MadpilotPPC: oh okay... i think that answer it fo rme
[08:58] <linner> MadpilotPPC: got it
[08:58] <bob2> khermans: sounds like a bug then
[08:58] <khermans> bob2, hrmm guess ill file it
[08:58] <khermans> bob2, have you seen it work?
[08:58] <mojo> linner: u hear about pocket with embedded linux and linuxdevices.com (methinks)
[08:59] <linner> Mojo yes I think so
[08:59] <bob2> khermans: no, but I know it does for other people
[08:59] <bob2> e.g. tritium
[08:59] <khermans> he had NTFS, not FAT ?
[08:59] <linner> mojo i can't remember if HP is coming out with one in 2007?  Have you heard that too?
[08:59] <bob2> yes
[09:00] <mojo> linmaster: not up on it, sry
[09:00] <mojo> ^^^  linner
[09:00] <linmaster> :)
[09:00] <linner> oh okay
[09:00] <mojo> yeah lin-tab, linn-tab :))
[09:00] <linner> mojo you got it
[09:01] <dikadika> hello i will be installing ubuntu soon and was wondering would it be easier to install the version i have 5.04 and upgrade or to download the new version 5.10 ?
[09:01] <vladuz976> how can i uninstall all games and change default applictaion for let's say email?
[09:01] <mojo> bob2: wow debsums takes a miiiiiinute to run, huh.  still cranking..
[09:02] <mojo> bob2: the stdout must be goin to the textfile, cuz i still get these "no md5sums for blah" errors to console.  stderr i suppose
[09:03] <mojo> bob2: woah, dun.  brb after grep
[09:03] <waseem> hey how do i install jgrasp on my computer?
[09:03] <khermans> bob2, seems to be an issue
[09:03] <khermans> bob2, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16354
[09:04] <carrett> hi. i just used gtkpod to load a bunch of songs onto my ipod. now that i've disconnected (safely), the ipod says that it's full, but that it only has 256 songs (should have 2000+)...any clues as to why?
[09:04] <chx> hi. i have severe problems with skype. I even tried the static linked against qt version. I type skype, press enter and dang nothing happens . there are no 'stuck' skype processes
[09:04] <chx> by 'nothing' i mean it just stands there , does not end , does not run
[09:04] <HrdwrBoB> carrett: could be full of other files
[09:05] <carrett> HrdwrBoB: I converted it to fat32 before transferring songs...so it was wiped clean
[09:05] <mojo> bob2: 29 lines of output from "grep FAILED" of dsout.txt
[09:05] <linner> hey ya'll how do I change the increase in delay for pressing another key on the keyboard
[09:05] <khermans> bob2, the bug says the installer failed on both amd64 and i386 install ISOs for Breezy ... the partitioner was causing the hang -- but I ran into both times on my own laptops.  Neither one worked ... very strange -- wonder if this is a laptop-only issue
[09:05] <jackphil> bob2: sorry, message who? im the guy upgrade firefox
[09:06] <mojo> bob2: ps u r kind, take ur time
[09:08] <onkarshinde> Can I expect Firefox 1.5 beta to be present in Breezy universe?
[09:08] <linner> anyone?
[09:08] <B_166-ER-X> just running under ,y nez upgrqde fro, breewy; guess zhqts the proble,::
[09:08] <linner> onkarshinde: I doubt it.
[09:09] <linner> onkarshinde: I'm looking for it too.
[09:09] <mojo> linner: sry not sure how either.  you said "increase" in delay?  i don't get it anyway, sry
[09:09] <onkarshinde> linner: I hope it makes to universe at the time of breezy final.
[09:09] <B_166-ER-X> help 6
[09:09] <linner> mojo hard to explain let me try though.................... i'm on a laptop and if i don't take my finger off IMMEDIATELY it keeps typing that same character
[09:09] <linner> onkarshinde: i do too
[09:10] <linner> onkarshinde: i'm using it on the windows side and love it
[09:10] <mojo> linner: oh, you mean the key-repeat delay.  that MAY be a bios setting, even.
[09:10] <Digis> is it a bug? in vlc, shortcut keys doesnt work?
[09:10] <linner> YES :)
[09:10] <linner> mojo i don't think so...
[09:10] <linner> Digis: are you speaking to me?
[09:10] <mojo> linner: if my ffox was working just now I could point u to an article that talks about how keys are processed in linux and x
[09:11] <Digis> linner, not with you, with everybody
[09:11] <linner> Digis: ok
[09:11] <Digis> :)
[09:11] <linner> mojo ok.. i'll google it and find out
[09:11] <linner> mojo thought it might be a quick fix
[09:11] <onkarshinde> Do i need to do 'dpkg --reconfigure xorg' after I add an AGP card to my machine? Or can I directly connect the monitor to it and Ubuntu will take care of everything?
[09:12] <mojo> linner: good luck.  I know that there is some confusion cuz the kernel maps keys, then x re-maps them itself
[09:12] <linner> mojo oh?
[09:12] <mojo> linner: but n e way gl
[09:12] <linner> really
[09:12] <linner> mojo huh?
[09:12] <B_166-ER-X> hzo do i chqnge the keyboqrd 666
[09:12] <mojo> linner: kernel makes keycode from raw data stream on kebd input.  x takes keycodes, and makes its own mappings of them.  i didn't read article yet, had it saved.
[09:13] <MadpilotPPC> is it possible to get the extra buttons on Logitech mice working?
[09:13] <mojo> ^^ in my bookmarks
[09:13] <brownie17> can someone tell me how i edit the right click menu with KDE?i want to put a terminal command in it
[09:13] <linner> Mojo ahh ok
[09:13] <poningru> MadpilotPPC: dude if you find out let me know
[09:13] <linner> let me google it
[09:13] <mojo> hmm... maybe i'll bbiaf
[09:13] <B_166-ER-X> hoo can i change ,y .keyboard. ; it.s f__ up
[09:14] <onkarshinde> Do i need to do 'dpkg --reconfigure xorg' after I add an AGP card to my machine? Or can I directly connect the monitor to it and Ubuntu will take care of everything?
[09:14] <mojo> bob2: i will be stepping out, but will return shortly.
[09:14] <MadpilotPPC> poningru, heh. that's not encouraging, but I'll ask google - too bad the Ubuntu forums are down...
[09:15] <poningru> yeah what happend there?
[09:15] <gratarian> Are the ubuntuforums being updated?
[09:15] <MadpilotPPC> poningru, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[09:15] <Seveas> they said maintenance
[09:16] <B_166-ER-X> bob2; please :: hoz can i change my language under breexy   6
[09:16] <deadcat> zd1211 in ubuntu source yet?
[09:16] <Seveas> B_166-ER-X, system -> admin -> language selector
[09:17] <kataklysm> hmm what plays .mov files??   i thought xine or totem-xine did
[09:17] <poningru> maddler: awesome thanks
[09:17] <poningru> err
[09:17] <kataklysm> i downloaded a .mov and it crashes xine and totem both
[09:17] <B_166-ER-X> Seveas; i dont have it ~
[09:17] <poningru> MadpilotPPC: ^^^
[09:18] <kataklysm> is their another library to play .mov files?
[09:18] <MadpilotPPC> poningru, got that... ;) isn't tab-complete fun sometimes?
[09:18] <poningru> MadpilotPPC: hehe :)
[09:18] <deFrysk> B_166-ER-X, did you upgrade fron hoary ?
[09:18] <deFrysk> from*
[09:18] <B_166-ER-X> yes
[09:18] <khermans> kataklysm, vlc is the best media player IMHO
[09:18] <smott> which module do i load for apm?
[09:18] <onkarshinde> kataklysm: .mov means quicktime movie. I never had problem with vlc to play such files.
[09:19] <kataklysm> ok ill try vlc
[09:19] <deFrysk> B_166-ER-X, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and look again
[09:19] <mojo> linner: okay let me see if i can find that 4 u now.. ffox is back up for me...
[09:19] <B_166-ER-X> ' ,egs ; qrr
[09:21] <poningru> transgress: ?
[09:21] <deFrysk> transgress, vls = in breezy
[09:21] <poningru> sure there is
[09:21] <poningru> oh
[09:21] <deFrysk> vlc*
[09:21] <transgress_> needed deps aren't there poningru
[09:23] <mojo> linner: what i found was https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MultimediaKeys but it may not help..  read at "in depth" heading maybe.  but i saw something else too i thought...
[09:23] <mypapit> Seveas, who's that +b?
[09:24] <transgress_> anyone know if an inotify capable kernel will be coming... particularly to breezy?
[09:24] <Seveas> it already has come to breezy a long time ago :)
[09:25] <Seveas> CONFIG_INOTIFY=y
[09:25] <Seveas> CONFIG_DNOTIFY=y
[09:25] <transgress_> Seveas: oh really?  i see.  i thought it wasn't in until kernel .13?
[09:27] <Seveas> apparently it's there already
[09:27] <transgress_> Seveas: neato.  now... i should probably reformat my lappy to ext3 so i can take more advantage of beagle lol
[09:29] <mojo> linner: try the console command kbdrate (man kbdrate)
[09:29] <wijnand> when i login, i always get warnings that some elements of my panel have "quit unexpectedly", with the option to reload them... seeing as these are recurring messages, i was wondering if anyone knows this issue and if there is a way to fix it
[09:29] <mojo> linner: or look into the man pages on xset, as it may be in x
[09:29] <wijnand> (gnome panel, that is ;))
[09:29] <robbkidd> Nyur.
[09:29] <Seveas> wijnand, don't hit the reload button
[09:29] <Seveas> just add them back manually
[09:29] <wijnand> Seveas: ahh nice touch.. thanks
[09:29] <Carpe_Libertatem> Does anyone know if there's a 5.10 version of Ubuntuguide.org available yet?
[09:30] <Seveas> Carpe_Libertatem, ubuntuguide sucks
[09:30] <Seveas> look at the wiki and at doc.ubuntu.com for *good* information
[09:32] <jsgotangco> Seveas, doc.ubuntu.com is very much WIP docs, but since we still don't have help.ubuntu.com it'll do i guess
[09:32] <Kuolio> Seveas: i dont get why you flame so much against ubuntuguide, as it is accurate and has good/quick instructions for various tweaks etc.
[09:32] <jsgotangco> Kuolio, sure, but half of it is crack as well
[09:33] <Kuolio> it doesn't explain so much as wiki does, wich in my book is a good thing ;)
[09:33] <chris__> i have hpb2; apache2; and mysql. how do i setup phpbb2? all i get is a test screen
[09:33] <jsgotangco> Kuolio, the ubuntuguide is actually forked for 5.10
[09:33] <ompaul> !ubuntuguide
[09:33] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[09:34] <mojo> HOW DO i force ubuntu to check the root for integrity (besides booting 30 times)?
[09:34] <ompaul> mojo, shutdown -F now
[09:34] <wijnand> mojo: fsck?
[09:34] <ompaul> mojo, sudo shutdown -F now
[09:34] <mojo> the -F will force the check?
[09:34] <ompaul> next boot
[09:35] <Mirussa> !faq
[09:35] <ubotu> [faq]  The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/faqi386/C/
[09:35] <mojo> okay bbl thanks
[09:36] <obontu> how do i tell ubuntu to turn off my display after 10 mins? (not standby)
[09:36] <ompaul> wow no one wants colony  today - there I am seeding at less than 1k ps
[09:36] <transgress_> okay how about this one i can't seem to fix... i have a laptop... touchpad has a scroll wheel sort of thingy.  but it won't work.  and i can't disable tapping.  it actually looks like it isn't loading as a touchpad but a ps/2 mouse.  any clues?
[09:36] <robbkidd> obontu: Try the Advanced tab in Screensaver config.
[09:37] <obontu> you mean where it says off?
[09:37] <ompaul> ohh dear s/sick/stick
[09:37] <aftertaf> sick of bread? had too much toast ;)
[09:37] <gremid> hi! anyone using an alternative way of managing network profiles (especially wifi profiles) instead of the gnome-system-tools?
[09:37] <obontu> i thought it meant the whole computer
[09:37] <obontu> not just the display
[09:37] <ompaul> oui!
[09:37] <B_166-ER-X> ok;;; noz i have the language selector::: but hoa can i change azerty  to qwerty
[09:37] <aftertaf> hi again [linner]
[09:37] <[linner] > aftertaf:  I was just msg you :)
[09:37] <robbkidd> obontu: Are you running Breezy?  I'm not sure what the display looks like on the Hog.
[09:37] <Seveas> B_166-ER-X, system -> preferences -> keyboard something
[09:37] <obontu> will it turn it off completely or can i wake it up by pressing a key or moving my mouse?
[09:37] <obontu> no i'm not
[09:38] <obontu> i don't wanna a preview
[09:38] <[linner] > aftertaf:  I've seen you join then leave... join then leave.. what's going on?
[09:38] <Seveas> B_166-ER-X, for a system-wide change: edit xorg.conf
[09:38] <obontu> i'm running hog
[09:38] <ompaul> B_166-ER-X, use * and <> as delimiters not every one is using the same irc client and they all don't behave the same
[09:38] <MachineScrew> ok any one need help
[09:38] <aftertaf> [linner] :  u get my pm?
[09:38] <robbkidd> obontu: Is the setting in a nice box labeled Monitor Power Management?
[09:38] <[linner] > yeah
[09:38] <ompaul> MachineScrew, just answer questions :) don't ask can you help
[09:38] <robbkidd> Display Power Managment, even.
[09:38] <[linner] > i'm msging you now
[09:38] <obontu> yes
[09:38] <MachineScrew> ok
[09:38] <robbkidd> obontu: Then it's just talking about the monitor.
[09:39] <obontu> ah silly me
[09:39] <obontu> thanx
[09:39] <MachineScrew> [linner]  whats up
[09:39] <indypende> Hi all!
[09:39] <MachineScrew> ok
[09:39] <[linner] > Machine)
[09:40] <[linner] > MachineScrew:  hey there
[09:40] <MachineScrew> ya what up
[09:40] <obontu> i tried to compile the new x-chat version, but it said i was missing perl, and i could find that package
[09:40] <B_166-ER-X> Seveas; my xorg:conf is empty is it normal
[09:40] <obontu> what's the name of it?
[09:41] <[linner] > MachineScrew:  you said hey to me earlier so I was saying "hey" back :)
[09:41] <MachineScrew> any one know about the pached orinoco_cs drivers for Breezy
[09:41] <MachineScrew> ok
[09:41] <indypende> why i can't connect to the forum?
[09:41] <Seveas> B_166-ER-X, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:41] <ompaul> obontu, why do you *need* the latest x-chat?
[09:42] <obontu> cuz someone said it fixes some serious bug
[09:42] <obontu> i'm using 2.4.3 as we speak
[09:42] <MachineScrew> xchat-gnome has a nice interface
[09:42] <obontu> and i want 2.4.5
[09:42] <Seveas> which bug?
[09:42] <obontu> i dunno
[09:42] <Seveas> then why fix it/believe it?
[09:42] <obontu> anyhow, nm that
[09:42] <ompaul> obontu, we do mind that
[09:42] <B_166-ER-X> i still dont know what to change in this::
[09:42] <obontu> i'll find out
[09:43] <obontu> how do i use the win32codecs to play wmv and such in linux?
[09:43] <obontu> i tried copying them to the dirs
[09:43] <obontu> but totem won't play wmvs :(
[09:43] <[Wiebel] > breezy slashdotted ;)
[09:43] <Tomcat_> obontu: Install the w32codecs package. :o
[09:43] <MachineScrew> obontu: get totem-xine
[09:43] <kemik> use a real player.. (vlc / mplayer)
[09:43] <transgress_> obontu: sudo aptitude install totem-xine
[09:43] <obontu> thanx
[09:43] <MachineScrew> obontu: first
[09:44] <MachineScrew> obontu: then go here http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/
[09:44] <A-star> hi everyone
[09:44] <[linner] > A-star:  hello
[09:44] <ompaul> obontu, your missing the point, if there is a bug then the ubuntu version should be fixed, that is how distros stay stable, not by everyone running in a million different directions, and no two people running the same version
[09:44] <MachineScrew> obontu: download w32codec and libdvdcss rpms
[09:44] <obontu> i tried to compile mplayer, wasn't taht succuessful
[09:45] <transgress_> so no one would know why my alps touchpad isn't loading?
[09:45] <Orborde> When on Earth are the forums going to return to life?
[09:45] <MachineScrew> obontu: mplayer sucks leave it alone
[09:45] <obontu> ompaul it's not in ubuntu, it's in xchat
[09:45] <ompaul> obontu, all that compiling is bad for you there is a version of mplayer for Ubuntu
[09:45] <obontu> so they say
[09:45] <obontu> really?
[09:45] <MachineScrew> obontu: ya
[09:45] <[linner] > Orborde:  I use Yahoo! groups (ubuntulinux) for forums
[09:45] <Tomcat_> ompaul: That almost sounded like a Microsoft Marketing message. :P
[09:45] <MachineScrew> obontu: i use totem-xine
[09:46] <MachineScrew> obontu: its easyer to configure
[09:46] <MachineScrew> obontu: and hell looks better
[09:46] <MachineScrew> obontu: compile only if you need to
[09:46] <obontu> thanx
[09:46] <ompaul> Tomcat_, no it if you manage a package then compile away, but randomly compiling packages when you don't have to is a bit too much like a waste of effort
[09:47] <MachineScrew> obontu: now once you get the rpms
[09:47] <CaiN_SA> guys
[09:47] <obontu> shouldi get this one?
[09:47] <CaiN_SA> network-admin <-- with what package does it come ?
[09:47] <obontu> filelibdvdcss-1.2.8-2.network.i386.rpm
[09:47] <MachineScrew> obontu: do sudo alien  -d nameof.rpm
[09:47] <MachineScrew> yes
[09:47] <obontu> thanx
[09:47] <Tomcat_> ompaul: Well, I agree that it's too hard for some people and so they shouldn't do it, but if somebody wants his own version of an application, why not? That's in part what makes Linux beautiful. :>
[09:47] <MachineScrew> obontu: if you want dvd play back
[09:48] <obontu> thanx
[09:48] <ompaul> Tomcat_, you can't run a production environment like that :)
[09:48] <obontu> how do i get rid of my mplayer compo and all that?
[09:48] <FaithX> which is the default manner for firewalling in ubuntu?
[09:48] <MachineScrew> obontu: make shure you did a sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[09:48] <obontu> just delete the dir on my desktop?
[09:48] <obontu> i did
[09:48] <MachineScrew> obontu: ya
[09:48] <obontu> ok thanx
[09:48] <kemik> obontu:  "make deinstall"
[09:48] <vinboy> hi
[09:48] <MachineScrew> obontu: did you install from source ?
[09:49] <kemik> or uninstall or make clean etc
[09:49] <MachineScrew> obontu: ys make deinstall
[09:49] <[linner] > MachineScrew:  so to understand this correctly, to watch movies i have to install something besides mplayer?
[09:49] <vinboy> how do i know wat port a program is listening to?
[09:49] <MachineScrew> obontu: or somthing likr that
[09:49] <robbkidd> FaithX: No firewall, but no services listen on anything other than loopback by default.
[09:49] <kemik> [linner] :  mplayer or vlc are the best players ;)
[09:49] <transgress_> linmaster: i rarely use mplayer
[09:49] <transgress_> err [linner]
[09:49] <[linner] > kemik:  ok great... thank you :)
[09:49] <[linner] > transgress:  what?
[09:49] <MachineScrew> [linner]  vlc is a good web player
[09:49] <ompaul> Seveas, got a mo?
[09:50] <[linner] > MachineScrew:  better than mplayer?
[09:50] <MachineScrew> [linner]  totem-xine kicks as
[09:50] <MachineScrew> s
[09:50] <kemik> MachineScrew:  vlc is a good anything-player
[09:50] <transgress_> [linner] : yes
[09:50] <MachineScrew> yes
[09:50] <kemik> i personally hate Totem
[09:50] <MachineScrew> smaller and faster
[09:50] <kemik> since it sucks
[09:50] <transgress_> i dig totem since i went to breezy
[09:50] <kemik> maybe it's better in breezy
[09:50] <[linner] > MachineScrew:  ok... understood... I'll go get it now...
[09:50] <transgress_> although the browser plugin usually won't play videos the external will... it'll stop like first frame
[09:50] <[Wiebel] > totem stil has flaws
[09:50] <MachineScrew> totem works only if you have totem-xine
[09:50] <xuniluser> How do i activate and deactivate services (daemons) in  Ubuntu?
[09:51] <MachineScrew> totem-gstreamer sucks moldering assholes
[09:51] <kemik> yeah. totem-xine and it's still bad
[09:51] <[Wiebel] > www.zoomin.tv has movies totem-xine can't handle
[09:51] <[linner] > MachineScrew:  what's the difference between totem, mplayer and vlc
[09:51] <kemik> this is the bash-totem-day
[09:51] <[linner] > kemik:  I've never had any lock with totem.... so there ya' go
[09:51] <[Wiebel] > zoomin uses a playlist with 2 movies
[09:51] <MachineScrew> gnome interface for totem
[09:51] <[Wiebel] > 1st is a commercial
[09:51] <robbkidd> xuniluser: System -> Administration -> Services
[09:51] <[Wiebel] > 2ndt is the actual movie
[09:51] <MachineScrew> never got mplayer to work in any distro
[09:51] <[Wiebel] > but afther playing the commercials totem stops
[09:52] <[Wiebel] > apt-get install mplayerplug-in
[09:52] <MachineScrew> for as long as I heard of it
[09:52] <[Wiebel] > works like a charm
[09:52] <robbkidd> Yuh. What Wiebel said.
[09:52] <[linner] > hmm.. it works fine in Breezy for me... onmy desktop ... haven't tried on the lappy yet
[09:52] <[Wiebel] > after that
[09:52] <transgress_> mplayer worked awesome for me in gentoo... that's about it
[09:52] <[Wiebel] > cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[09:52] <[Wiebel] > rm libtotem*
[09:52] <MachineScrew> totem-xine plays the new Quicktime 7 file
[09:52] <MachineScrew> s
[09:52] <[linner] > really? and dvds... and streaming audio??????????????
[09:53] <kemik> MachineScrew:  doesnt mplayer play those aswell ?
[09:53] <MachineScrew> ya
[09:53] <kemik> [linner] :  mplayer plays dvds and streaming audio/video aswell
[09:53] <kemik> ;)
[09:53] <xuniluser> robbkid: there's no Services in Administration
[09:53] <[linner] > kemik:  ok.... so I can listen to podcasts by mPlayer oo?
[09:53] <transgress_> i prefer totem-xine to mplayer in ubuntu... never could get mplayer to play dvd's
[09:53] <MachineScrew> but streaming audio I use  Rhythom box
[09:53] <[linner] > ok
[09:53] <[linner] > wow... so much info
[09:53] <obontu> i got this folder on my desktop
[09:54] <MachineScrew> same here
[09:54] <obontu> and i can't get rid of it
[09:54] <obontu> it says i don't have permissions
[09:54] <robbkidd> xuniluser: You're using Hoary Hedgehog or Breezy Badger?
[09:54] <MachineScrew> you have mc
[09:54] <[linner] > well he11 i'll have to see if it will play through mplayer on mine
[09:54] <[linner] > kemik:  something i need to install though right?
[09:54] <[linner] > kemik:  like a plugin?
[09:54] <MachineScrew> right
[09:54] <xuniluser> robbkidd: Hoary
[09:55] <MachineScrew> http://revision3.com/systm
[09:56] <transgress_> mmm systm... good.
[09:56] <transgress_> i downloaded the newest diggnation mp3 earlier... probably gonna listen to it and sleep
[09:56] <robbkidd> robbkidd: Ah. You're stuck with using a command line utility, installing a program called BUM (of which I have no experience) or upgrade to the Breezy pre-release (which I thought was quite fun and am happy with).
[09:56] <[linner] > transgress:  i soooooooooooooooo want my diggnation and TWiT back..............
[09:56] <robbkidd> Jeez. I'm talking to myself.
[09:56] <Orborde> So I mounted a Windows share using mount -t smb, and tried to edit a file with gedit. Gedit went OMFG I R TEH CRASHZ0R. Any ideas?
[09:56] <Orborde> Where can I file a bug report?
[09:57] <MachineScrew> I got them fine with Totem-xine
[09:57] <transgress_> [linner] : telling you... grab totem-xine... it'll run.
[09:57] <[linner] > transgress:  i haven't listened to systn yet
[09:57] <obontu> hmm i ran those alien -d on w32codec and dvdcss
[09:57] <obontu> and that's it?
[09:57] <[linner] > transgress:  ok
[09:57] <transgress_> i just grabbed w32codecs from marillat myself.
[09:57] <[linner] > transgress:  i don't nkow what that is
[09:57] <MachineScrew> no now dpkg -i w32codec and the same for dvdcss
[09:57] <xuniluser> robbkidd: can i install it with Hoary?
[09:57] <transgress_> it's a repo... and that was directed at obontu
[09:58] <[linner] > oh okay
[09:58] <[linner] > how do i get it?
[09:58] <[linner] > adn what does it do?
[09:58] <obontu> what do i do with those deb packages?
[09:58] <transgress_> [linner] : you use it to grab w32codecs... then you disable it... and you google it to get it
[09:58] <MachineScrew> obontu: sudo dpkg -i thename.deb
[09:58] <obontu> thanx
[09:58] <[linner] > transgress:  no no no i mean what do w32codecs do?
[09:59] <transgress_> [linner] : helps programs play things like wmv and xvid
[09:59] <MachineScrew> they alow you to play quick time nonDRMed wmas
[09:59] <[linner] > transgress:  ok... i just want audio... not video so do I need it?
[09:59] <obontu> i get errors with ilbdvdcss :(
[09:59] <MachineScrew> avi's divx
[09:59] <MachineScrew> thinks like that
[10:00] <MachineScrew> what where the errors
[10:00] <obontu> dpkg: error processing libdvdcss_1.2.8-3_i386.deb (--install):
[10:00] <obontu>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2.0.7', which is also in package libdvdcss2
[10:00] <obontu> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[10:00] <obontu> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:00] <obontu>  libdvdcss_1.2.8-3_i386.deb
[10:00] <obontu> sorry for spam
[10:00] <transgress_> btw for those interested... diggnation 13 got released today on mp3
[10:00] <robbkidd> xuniluser: Yep. Some instructions are in the topic.
[10:00] <[linner] > transgress:  you're makin' me jealous now
[10:00] <transgress_> [linner] : lots of things will play an mp3... out of the box
[10:01] <MachineScrew> ok dude you have libdvdcss2
[10:01] <MachineScrew> don't wory about it
[10:01] <obontu> ok
[10:01] <obontu> now how do i run that player?
[10:01] <obontu> same as always?
[10:01] <MachineScrew> ya just go to totem
[10:01] <aftertaf> obontu:   dont paste here please ;) youll get shouted at:)
[10:01] <MachineScrew> apps > sound & vid
[10:01] <[linner] > ok
[10:01] <kemik> or even muted
[10:01] <obontu> yes
[10:02] <MachineScrew> he did say sorry
[10:02] <obontu> it works!
[10:02] <obontu> thanx!
[10:02] <MachineScrew> no prob
[10:02] <aftertaf> MachineScrew:  ;) true...
[10:02] <xuniluser> robbkidd: ok...
[10:02] <obontu> but now i have another problem
[10:02] <obontu> i have no audio in the player
[10:02] <MachineScrew> whats that
[10:03] <obontu> but i got audio when i try to play mp3s
[10:03] <transgress_> obontu: what kind of sound card?
[10:03] <MachineScrew> oh hmm
[10:03] <MachineScrew> thats odd
[10:03] <obontu> i think it's just a fucked up movie
[10:03] <obontu> hmm
[10:03] <[linner] > oh ya'll this is terrible
[10:04] <obontu> well, i tried installing wine, but not luck
[10:04] <MachineScrew> go here and download an episode h264 http://revision3.com/systm
[10:04] <[linner] > transgress:  that is just awfully!
[10:04] <MachineScrew> better
[10:04] <MachineScrew> http://revision3.com/systm/podcasting/media
[10:04] <Orborde> I think one of my panel applets crashed. How do I kill/reset it?
[10:04] <FaithX> What do I need to be able to compile X apps on ubuntu?
[10:04] <transgress_> [linner] : what is?
[10:04] <MachineScrew> then chose h264
[10:05] <ompaul> FaithX, which apps?
[10:05] <[linner] > the audio is sooooooooooooooooo garbled
[10:05] <transgress_> [linner] : what player?
[10:05] <[linner] > transgress:  totem
[10:05] <transgress_> [linner] : totem-xine?
[10:05] <kemik> totem ofcourse
[10:05] <kemik> since its crap ;)
[10:05] <MachineScrew> no totem-xine is better he has totem-gstreamer
[10:05] <[linner] > transgress:  yes
[10:05] <MachineScrew> god damn it