[06:14] <dashua> zniavre, Ofc.  Let's develop it together.
[10:46] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:47] <AlanBell> following on from the http://nakedcomputers.org logo discussion yesterday I was thinking about drawing in the rest of the body, I sketched it out by hand with a mouse (i.e. rubbish) but I would like to know what you think of the idea
[10:48] <AlanBell> http://nakedcomputers.org/nc.png
[10:48] <AlanBell> it would be smaller and drawn as a vector in inkscape or something
[13:10] <zniavre_> some apps are so tricky to theme
[15:17] <thorwil> so i added a 2nd user account to test something. switched to that user, logged out there. got a grey screen, no login box. switched to the console to find that sudo was no longer allowed for my main account
[15:17] <thorwil> hard reboot. system doesn't boot because groups are messed up
[15:18] <thorwil> booted to old install to see that my /etc/group consisted of only 3 entries
[15:18] <thorwil> restored it from a backup
[15:19] <thorwil> can boot into current system again. had no network access due something about permissions still being wrong. somehow hacked that to work
[15:20] <thorwil> saw there is a bug report for story similar to mine. devs wanted to close it due to being unable to reproduce
[15:21] <thorwil> makes me wonder if i should switch distro
[15:46] <AlanBell> thorwil: this doesn't seem to be the best channel for that
[15:46] <AlanBell> is it a karmic issue? if so #ubuntu+1 would be the place
[15:51] <thorwil> AlanBell: you should not tell a long-time resident in how far this is or isn't the right place. no, it's a jaunty issue, making it about 10 times worse ;)
[15:55] <Cimi> sorry for the spam to the mailing lists and launchpad, I was victim of the attack
[16:47] <kwwii> boy, today is going really well
[16:48]  * kwwii is sick, Cimi's email was hacked, thorwil has major problems
[16:57] <dashua> zniavre, Any progress w/ Firefox and those few oddities?
[17:29] <zniavre> dashua not at all
[17:45] <AlanBell> thorwil: sorry, just trying to help you get a better answer to the problem
[17:47] <thorwil> AlanBell: np
[18:30] <tux> something is scheduled for the stable , the 29?
[18:30] <tux> some change from the beta?
[18:48] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[21:51] <kwwii> anyone have any idea which icons are used in gdm? I mean, exact names, not a description


[12:28] <vidd_laptop> not sure....sounds like your modem is blocking your http requests....
[12:29] <vidd_laptop> or its loosing its connection
[12:29] <vidd_laptop> do you connect using pppoe?
[12:30] <portulini> hmmm any idea of what I could do? I modified my mtu allowance, and that didn't help. also i added my DNS ip's to a file at the DHCP3 folder, and that didn't do anything
[12:32] <portulini> no... I should be able to connect throu DHCP
[12:32] <vidd_laptop> do you have it set to auto connect or "always on"?
[12:32] <portulini> I don't remember. Where could I check that?
[12:32] <vidd_laptop> go to the modem"s configureation page
[12:33] <vidd_laptop> can you connect on a windows machine without issue?
[12:33] <portulini> this machine is the one with linux and xubuntu
[12:33] <portulini> i mean windows
[12:33] <portulini> I'm at windows atm
[12:34] <portulini> and I can connect without any problem
[12:34] <vidd_laptop> did you have to run a disk to get connected?
[12:35] <vidd_laptop> and what kind of modem are you using?
[12:35] <Sergo> vidd_laptop maybe the system was unable to detect modem
[12:35] <Sergo> :)
[12:36] <portulini> I didn't have to install anything. the modem is a Cisco 677
[12:36] <vidd_laptop> no...if it was not able to detect, you would not have been able to search google
[12:37] <portulini> I can ping most things... even <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:37] <vidd_laptop> <IP_ADDRESS> is your local machine
[12:37] <Sergo> )
[12:38] <portulini> but doesn't that mean my modem is working?
[12:38] <vidd_laptop> no
[12:39] <portulini> It would seem as I have limited acces to the web, or I can't receive data
[12:39] <vidd_laptop> yes...
[12:40] <vidd_laptop> do you have a router?
[12:40] <portulini> I have the modem and 2 hubs
[12:41] <portulini> could the modem have an integrated router?
[12:41] <vidd_laptop> yes...
[12:41] <vidd_laptop> how many ethernet jacks on the back of it?
[12:42] <portulini> of the modem?
[12:42] <maxamillion> the sbc 2wire device does (for example)
[12:42] <vidd_laptop> yes
[12:42] <portulini> wait let me go have a look
[12:44] <portulini> 2 i think
[12:44] <portulini> 1 in and 1 to the first hub
[12:45] <vidd_laptop> is the xubuntu machine plugged in too?
[12:45] <portulini> into one of the hubs, yes
[12:46] <vidd_laptop> go to network-admin
[12:46] <portulini> in the terminal?
[12:46] <vidd_laptop> on second thought....
[12:47] <ciro314> applications >> system >> network
[12:47] <maxamillion> wait, what is trying to be accomplished?
[12:47] <portulini> i would need to change to xubuntu and try... so if you have some instructions, tell em all, and ill go try
[12:47] <vidd_laptop> do sudo ifdown eth0  then sudo ifup eth0
[12:47] <portulini> im dual booting
[12:49] <vidd_laptop> do you know the gateway address?
[12:49] <portulini> yes
[12:49] <portulini> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:49] <maxamillion> wow .. that's different
[12:50] <vidd_laptop> that is you nat address
[12:50] <portulini> what you mean?
[12:50] <portulini> thats the defaults gateway addres
[12:51] <vidd_laptop> i can ping that address
[12:51] <portulini> thats good?
[12:52] <vidd_laptop> that means it is your public facing ip address
[12:52] <portulini> and that's what oyu needed to know?
[12:52] <vidd_laptop> you should have a private ip address for your home network
[12:53] <portulini> where could I see that?
[12:53] <ciro314> sudo ifconfig
[12:53] <vidd_laptop> in windows.....
[12:53] <vidd_laptop> ipconfig
[12:54] <ciro314> cmd
[12:54] <ciro314> ipconfig
[12:54] <portulini> could it be <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:55] <vidd_laptop> can you ping it?
[12:55] <portulini> yes
[12:56] <portulini> from windows command i can
[12:57] <maxamillion> ..... i might BRB, gonna try something that might bork my Xorg
[12:57] <maxamillion> rock .... it didn't :)
[12:57] <portulini> what are you thinking vidd?
[12:58] <vidd_laptop> im thinking "where did you get that address from?"
[12:58] <portulini> haha from ipconfig, it said connection-specific dns suffix
[12:59] <vidd_laptop> ipconfig /all
[12:59] <vidd_laptop> there should be smething like: Gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:00] <portulini> default gateway=
[01:01] <portulini> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:01] <vidd_laptop> very strange
[01:02] <vidd_laptop> what is you ip range given to you by the isp?
[01:03] <portulini> I should call my ISP and ask that
[01:04] <vidd_laptop> do the have linux support?
[01:04] <portulini> supposedly
[01:05] <portulini> i will reset my modem
[01:05] <portulini> wait
[01:05] <portulini> be back in a few minutes
[01:14] <portulini> im bakc Vidd
[01:16] <portulini> so..so... any new ideas?
[01:16] <vidd_laptop> were you able to ping it?
[01:17] <portulini> ping what?
[01:17] <vidd_laptop> the ip adress
[01:18] <portulini> i didnt check anything at xubuntuu I was resetting my modem
[01:19] <vidd_laptop> what is your default gateway now?
[01:19] <portulini> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:19] <vidd_laptop> try to ping it from terminal
[01:20] <portulini> at ubuntu?
[01:20] <portulini> be right back then
[01:20] <portulini> I can ping from command
[01:20] <portulini> at windows
[01:21] <vidd_laptop> yes...i know
[01:26] <portulini> ok... I can ping my gateway, but I can't ping my DHCP adress
[01:27] <portulini> said "packet(or package) filtered"
[01:29] <portulini> vidd?
[01:29] <vidd_laptop> yes?
[01:29] <portulini> I can ping gateway, but not my DHCP adress
[01:29] <portulini> it said "package filtered"
[01:29] <vidd_laptop> that explains why you cant get out
[01:30] <portulini> :)
[01:30] <vidd_laptop> your dns server is not correct
[01:30] <portulini> my dns according to windows are <IP_ADDRESS> and  <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:31] <portulini> and xubuntu detected those automitc
[01:31] <portulini> can you ping my DHCP=<IP_ADDRESS>?
[01:32] <maxamillion> portulini: open a terminal and enter "sudo dhcpcd" and see if you get an ip address that way
[01:33] <portulini> I wish I had 2 comps... ehehe well give me 2 mins to switch to Xub
[01:33] <maxamillion> k
[01:34] <portulini> when I get the result of that sudo dhcpcd, should I check anything else while im there?
[01:47] <portulini> ok I'm back
[01:48] <portulini> I did "sudo dhcpcd". Wrong coomand
[01:49] <maxamillion> portulini: sorry .... wrong distro
[01:49] <maxamillion> portulini: "sudo dhclient"
[01:50] <portulini> want me to write the results from that?
[01:50] <portulini> let me check back
[01:51] <maxamillion> k
[01:51] <maxamillion> i gotta run
[01:51] <portulini> vidd?
[01:51] <portulini> you still helping me?
[01:51] <vidd_laptop> yes
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> did you get your ip range
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> ?
[01:52] <portulini> ok... should I go try sudo dhclient?
[01:52] <vidd_laptop> yes
[01:52] <portulini> ok
[01:52] <portulini> i will find my ip range while on it
[01:58] <portulini> ok
[01:59] <vidd_laptop> servey says?
[02:00] <portulini> sudo dhclient turned out this: Listening on lpf/eth0/00:16:ec:ca:a0:D0 sending on Same thing than before sending on socket/fallback dhcprequest on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 DHCPACK from <IP_ADDRESS> bound to <IP_ADDRESS> --- renewal in 1167 secs
[02:01] <vidd_laptop> can you get out?
[02:01] <portulini> still no
[02:04] <portulini> what do you think?
[02:05] <vidd_laptop> then go back to xubuntu and open a web page and put <IP_ADDRESS> in it
[02:06] <vidd_laptop> let me know if you can get the page
[02:06] <portulini> ok
[02:06] <portulini> be right back
[02:10] <ToHellWithGA> yall have any angles on xubuntu via shipit?
[02:10] <vidd_laptop> xubuntu? no...
[02:10] <ToHellWithGA> it seems at least as big a deal as kubuntu.  kde is for picky people who don't like gnome.  xfce is more a practical decision for folks with old/weak hardware
[02:11] <ToHellWithGA> i find kde users a bit snobbish
[02:11] <vidd_laptop> but if you know anyone that needs a disk, i can mail ya one
[02:12] <portulini> I can't open it, vidd... and trying to ping said "time to live exceeded"
[02:14] <vidd_laptop> it dont make sence
[02:14] <portulini> eheheheeh
[02:14] <phibxr> ToHellWithGA, of for folks who just happen to like xfce/xfwm. :)
[02:14] <portulini> who the hell knows
[02:15] <vidd_laptop> what country?
[02:15] <ToHellWithGA> vidd_laptop: i kinda like the pressed discs
[02:15] <portulini> Venezuela
[02:15] <ToHellWithGA> i've passed mine on to other linux newbies
[02:15] <ToHellWithGA> the pressed live CDs with nice sleeves are a great way to say "hey, try this out.  install it if you like it.  give it to somebody when you're done with it."
[02:17] <portulini> my ISP is cantv.net
[02:19] <vidd_laptop> they have a web site?
[02:19] <portulini> www.cantv.net
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> ...
[02:20] <portulini> what?
[02:20] <vidd_laptop> its in spanish....
[02:20] <portulini> yes
[02:20] <portulini> what would you like to know
[02:21] <vidd_laptop> if there is a support section
[02:21] <portulini> but it doesn'te help setup network with linux
[02:22] <portulini> it has a support section
[02:26] <vidd_laptop> portulini, i dont know what to tell ya
[02:27] <portulini> hehe... well.. thanks a lot anyway, vidd. you were a great help
[02:28] <Jester45> hey vidd
[02:28] <vidd_laptop> what up
[02:28] <Jester45> could you try to log on my ftp? i cant seem to be able to
[02:29] <Jester45> even if i can ping my computer
[02:30] <vidd_laptop> did you check to see if you ip address changed?
[02:57] <deCon> can someone help me setup up my wireless on my fresh install?
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> deCon, what kind of wifi card?
[02:58] <deCon> vidd_laptop, its a netgeart WG311T
[02:59] <deCon> vidd_laptop, its detected and what not, but it won't connect
[02:59] <Catoptromancy> have you done ndiswrapper -i filename.inf ?
[02:59] <vidd_laptop> whAT IS THE CHIPSET
[03:01] <deCon> atheros
[03:02] <aboyousif> deCon, i faced alot of troubles with atheros too not all atheros worked with me just the 520g i as i remember
[03:02] <klhrevolutionist> How does one label a distro "stable"
[03:03] <deCon> i just need to figure out how to do basic network troubleshooting i think
[03:03] <klhrevolutionist> How is it that xubuntu has yet to fix the installer bug ?
[03:03] <klhrevolutionist> let alone any other bugs that may be present
[03:03] <klhrevolutionist> fools
[03:03] <Jester45> becuase its not a new version maybe?
[03:03] <Jester45> they are working on it
[03:03] <klhrevolutionist> go tell it on a mountain
[03:03] <deCon> ya, it keeps popping up on me too
[03:04] <klhrevolutionist> stable..
[03:04] <klhrevolutionist> not one distro should ever use that word
[03:04] <vidd_laptop> klhrevolutionist, especially not windows
[03:05] <klhrevolutionist> agreed
[03:05] <deCon> stable = runs with minimal error
[03:06] <klhrevolutionist> Stable \Sta"ble\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Stabled} (-b'ld); p. pr. & vb. n. {Stabling} (-bl[i^] ng).]
[03:06] <klhrevolutionist>      To put or keep in a stable.
[03:06] <klhrevolutionist>      [1913 Webster]
[03:07] <deCon> so, i have problems to take care of, could you please spam your whining elsewhere
[03:07] <deCon> and can someone please help me figure out why wifi isn't working?
[03:07] <klhrevolutionist> well take the link on the webpage down
[03:07] <klhrevolutionist> 7.04, codename Feisty Fawn (stable release) <--
[03:08] <klhrevolutionist> lol
[03:09] <klhrevolutionist> after reading the release notes the installer still freezes the whole desktop
[03:09] <klhrevolutionist> it's not usable*
[03:09] <klhrevolutionist> other than live-cd purposes
[03:09] <deCon> vidd_laptop, please help me figure this out?
[03:10] <klhrevolutionist> 4 days it'll be a month since release and still not fixed...
[03:10] <deCon> crimsun, will you help me figure out why wi-fi isn't working?
[03:12] <crimsun> need more context.
[03:12] <vidd_laptop> deCon, is it pci, usb, or pcmcia?
[03:13] <deCon> vidd_laptop, pci
[03:13] <vidd_laptop> what does lspci give you?
[03:13] <deCon> crimsun, well i have put in my settings under properties, but when i open firefox, it wont go to anything
[03:13] <deCon> let me check
[03:14] <crimsun> "settings under properties"?
[03:14] <deCon> well, good news... lspci shows
[03:14] <deCon> atheros communications 802.11 ....
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> what does iwfonfig say?
[03:16] <deCon> one sec
[03:16] <deCon> under settings of the connection, it is enabled and DHCP with proper WEP key
[03:17] <deCon> it shows
[03:17] <deCon> under ath0
[03:19] <|Slurpee|> will xubuntu work as a decent kick start server ?
[03:20] <vidd_laptop> |Slurpee|, kick start server?
[03:22] <FrozenDawn> Hello there !
[03:23] <deCon> vidd_laptop, if it shows, thats good, right? what else could be wrong?
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> not necisarrily
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> what does it say?
[03:24] <deCon> i cannot pastebin, but hmm
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> what is the bitrate...access point
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> is there a power button?
[03:24] <deCon> access point is the one i entered, but rate is 11mb
[03:25] <deCon> it shows noise, signal and link quality, 0/3 sensitivity and the MAC for the ESSID
[03:25] <vidd_laptop> you dont ebter the access point
[03:25] <deCon> vidd_laptop, i thought i had to enter that information under network
[03:25] <deCon> vidd_laptop: should i delete it?
[03:25] <deCon> vidd_laptop: a power button to what?
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> no..never mind
[03:26] <vidd_laptop> power button on the card
[03:26] <deCon> vidd_laptop: no power button, and i deleted the config..should i put it back on
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> does it say Access Point: xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> deCon, go to sudo ntework-admin
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> betwork-DMIN
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> gggrrrrr
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> network-admin
[03:28] <deCon> vidd_laptop: gotcha, i'm starting to pick up things...someone in the other channel said something about iptables
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> yeah....
[03:28] <deCon> vidd_laptop: it did say the access point MAC until i deleted the config
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> $ sudo rmdir Games/
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> rmdir: Games/: Directory not empty
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> ????
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> Anyone know how to delete a folder
[03:29] <vidd_laptop> does your access point look like what i posted earlier?
[03:29] <Catoptromancy> its got root permissions
[03:29] <vidd_laptop> Catoptromancy, rmdir -r /path
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> Catoptromancy, you may need to do sudo
[03:31] <klh-xubuntu> Step 7 of 7: Am I to press the advanced button or is the default okay ??
[03:31] <ircusr> hi all
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> $ sudo rmdir Games/
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> rmdir: Games/: Directory not empty
[03:31] <ircusr> xfce is awesome!!
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> errr
[03:31] <|Slurpee|> kick start server is a term for a net install server
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> rmdir: invalid option -- r
[03:31] <klh-xubuntu> for the bootloader that is
[03:32] <deCon> vidd_laptop: i think i found the problem...it doesn't show anything under DNS
[03:33] <FrozenDawn> that would be "rm -r <directory>"
[03:33] <vidd_laptop> there ya go
[03:33] <FrozenDawn> (to Clapto)
[03:33] <|Slurpee|> anyone know if xubuntu will easily be a kick start server ?
[03:33] <deCon> vidd_laptop: how can it get the DNS it needs?
[03:34] <vidd_laptop> your default gateway provides the dns
[03:34] <deCon> vidd_laptop: why isn't it coming through?
[03:35] <klh-xubuntu> I dunno bout this installer bug..
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> genius! FrozenDawn
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> #ubuntu couldnt figure it out
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> I knew it was stupidly simple command
[03:35] <FrozenDawn> does anyone know how to get xubuntu to show a nice "you can shut me off now" screen ?
[03:36] <FrozenDawn> ^^ glad I could help
[03:36] <klh-xubuntu> FrozenDawn: just run the installer...
[03:37] <klh-xubuntu> oh wait that would be for a frozen screen...
[03:38] <FrozenDawn> (what installer where you talking about ?)
[03:39] <klh-xubuntu> the xubuntu installer, being sarcastic because after 4 tries I have yet to get the installer to work..
[03:40] <FrozenDawn> did you check the md5sum on the cd ?
[03:40] <Catoptromancy> klh-xubuntu, have you tried ALternat e CD?
[03:40] <vidd_laptop> klh-xubuntu, why dont you quit whining and just get the alt-install and just get your system up
[03:41] <klh-xubuntu> will have to see exactly what the alt. cd is..
[03:41] <Catoptromancy> how fast is your PC?
[03:41] <klh-xubuntu> would've been nice to see some info maybe on a webpage..
[03:41] <vidd_laptop> all you need to do is READ
[03:41] <Catoptromancy> it installs more smoothly
[03:42] <FrozenDawn> what are yor specs ?
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> its on the same download page as the live cde
[03:42] <klh-xubuntu> read what ? and please tell me to read something besides what I have.
[03:42] <Catoptromancy> Its the same as Live CD but with terminal install
[03:43] <klh-xubuntu> hmm..
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> works better usually,
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> how fast is your PC?
[03:43] <vidd_laptop> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> how old?
[03:43] <klh-xubuntu> my pc is fast enough
[03:43] <klh-xubuntu> my hd is big enough
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> ....
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> well ok
[03:43] <Catoptromancy> how old?
[03:44] <klh-xubuntu> it is not my pc that is having problems, but good try in shifting the blame
[03:44] <paradox997> hi, I've tried to run the live CD (6.10)  but everytime it finishes loading up the gui dies but I can still hear sounds and stuff. Anyone know how to fix it? my pc has athlon 64 3000+ nforce4 SLI mobo and 2 6600GTs
[03:44] <Catoptromancy> Well I cant help without basic info on your system
[03:44] <vidd_laptop> did you go to the site and read what it says about the alt-cd?
[03:45] <klh-xubuntu> getting to it
[03:45] <Catoptromancy> paradox997, try the Fiesty Alternate CD
[03:45] <Catoptromancy> has more options to choose from
[03:45] <vidd_laptop> and did you run the "check cd for defects"?
[03:45] <paradox997> yes
[03:45] <klh-xubuntu> how bout the step 7 of 7 in the installer: the advanced button, would I change the default ? or change where the bootloader goes
[03:46] <Catoptromancy> paradox997,  have you run md5sum ?
[03:46] <paradox997> i've tried other versions of linux and I still get the same problem
[03:46] <paradox997> the cd checks out
[03:46] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[03:46] <FrozenDawn> can you do a crtl-alt-f1 and get a prompt ?
[03:47] <FrozenDawn> (paradox)
[03:47] <klh-xubuntu> I reckon I'll change it to install to the same location as I want to install xubuntu..
[03:47] <paradox997> yup i can get in the console
[03:47] <paradox997> i've tried changing xorg.conf to vesa instead of nv but that didn't work
[03:48] <paradox997> but every time i try to start gdm it fails
[03:48] <FrozenDawn> do you know the name of your graphic board ?
[03:49] <klh-xubuntu> where to install the mbr ? the default has (hd0)
[03:50] <paradox997> uh it's an xfx 6600GT pci express
[03:51] <deCon> anyone around willing to help me with DNS issus
[03:51] <klh-xubuntu> what kinda dns issuez ?
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> deCon, in the newtork-admin tool...
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> there is a spot to enter DNS info'
[03:52] <FrozenDawn> (oops, there it is ...)
[03:52] <FrozenDawn> did you try to change the driver to nv ?
[03:53] <paradox997> yeah, that's what it is by default
[03:53] <deCon> vidd_laptop: i think i copied it properly
[03:53] <deCon> vidd_laptop: need i reboot xfce or the computer?
[03:53] <vidd_laptop> nope
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> sudo ifdown ath0
[03:54] <vidd_laptop> sudo ifup ath0
[03:54] <klh-xubuntu> maybe try reboot router
[03:55] <deCon> router is fine, my other two computers work fine
[03:55] <klh-xubuntu> might be xubuntu
[03:56] <vidd_laptop> deCon, what does the dns tab show?
[03:57] <deCon> vidd_laptop: well No DHCPOFFERS received
[03:57] <klh-xubuntu> do I change the grub option ? Or do I have to submit to your demands of giving me pc specs to get help ?
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> what are you trying to do?
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> deCon, i am out of ideas
[03:58] <klh-xubuntu> step 7 of 7 in the installer
[03:59] <klh-xubuntu> advanced option
[03:59] <klh-xubuntu> grub bootloader
[03:59] <klh-xubuntu> Device for boot loader installation:
[03:59] <deCon> vidd_laptop: thanks anyway, ill keep searching
[03:59] <vidd_laptop> klh-xubuntu, i never use the live cd to install...just go with the default
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> deCon, did this card work in (whatever you had before)
[04:00] <klh-xubuntu> the default location is: (hd0)
[04:00] <vidd_laptop> sounds about right
[04:00] <deCon> vidd_laptop: yes
[04:04] <FrozenDawn> guys, does xubuntu show an "you can turn the computer off" screen by default ?
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> deCon, set your wifi up with a staic ip
[04:06] <deCon> vidd_laptop: just a 192.xx.xx.xxx?
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> the first 3 sets are the same as your gateway....the last set should be outside the dhcp range
[04:08] <Catoptromancy> FrozenDawn,
[04:08] <Catoptromancy> yes
[04:08] <Catoptromancy> Well it gives me a menu
[04:08] <Catoptromancy> or do you mean after that?
[04:09] <Catoptromancy> The Xubuntu logo on shutdown has the status bar go backwards compared to turn it on which goes forwards
[04:10] <Catoptromancy> when bar is totally gone, you can turn it off
[04:12] <deCon> static is set up...it could be driver
[04:12] <Jester45> Catoptromancy: my bar never goes all the way down it stops after the 2nd little section
[04:12] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[04:12] <Catoptromancy> still after awhile it should be safe to turn off
[04:13] <Catoptromancy> "should"
[04:13] <Jester45> when i hear the disk stop i turn it off
[04:13] <Catoptromancy> works
[04:13] <Catoptromancy> heh
[04:13] <Jester45> do you know how to make it verbose so i know what its doing
[04:14] <Jester45> i didnt have it on edgy
[04:14] <vidd_laptop> let me guess...all live cd installs
[04:14] <Jester45> nope
[04:14] <Jester45> all alternative
[04:15] <Jester45> at least all my installs
[04:15] <vidd_laptop> hmmm...i never had the issue
[04:15] <Jester45> i didnt untill feisty
[04:35] <limbert65> Can one make OpenGL acceleration work on an ATI Radeon R250 (Mobility FireGL 9000) under Xubuntu Feisty?  If so, can someone point me to a HOWTO?
[04:38] <Jester45> !ati
[04:38] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:39] <limbert65> Thanks.
[04:43] <limbert65> On that HOWTO:  The instructions say it's for the 9500 Pro and up.  Mine's a 9000.  Still work?
[04:44] <Jester45> check a list of supported cards
[04:44] <Jester45> there is an opensource driver that has many working
[04:45] <Jester45> just a sec i will look into it
[04:46] <Jester45> ok run glxinfo |grep direct
[04:46] <limbert65> Did that, and direct rendering is "no".
[04:46] <Jester45> if it says yes then your ready
[04:46] <Jester45> then your not
[04:46] <Jester45> umm
[04:47] <limbert65> I've been hunting around, and the stuff I've found that mentions this card specifically all looks a bit iffy.
[04:47] <limbert65> The ones that look workable don't mention this specific card.  Not sure what to do.
[04:48] <limbert65> It really looks to me like 3D acceleration is just a no-go with this specific card.
[04:50] <Jester45> ok
[04:50] <Jester45> open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and use pastebin to upload it
[04:50] <Jester45> !pastebin
[04:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:51] <limbert65> k
[04:51] <Jester45> or
[04:52] <Jester45> look in the file for a Section "Device"
[04:52] <Jester45> and under that should be Driver            "ati"
[04:53] <Jester45> if its somthing else then change it to "ati" and restart the xserver
[04:54] <limbert65> here's my xorg.conf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21228/
[04:54] <limbert65> And it DOES say "ati" under the Radeon R250.
[04:56] <Jester45> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_feisty_beryl_ati_radeonry using this guide
[04:56] <Jester45> you just dont have to install beryl but the guy has the same card as you
[04:57] <limbert65> Ok, I'll check that out.    Had an extra letter copied in the address.  Sorry.
[05:01] <limbert65> Reading it now.
[05:02] <crdlb> limbert65: that's your problem
[05:03] <crdlb> it should say SGI
[05:03] <limbert65> beg pardon?
[05:03] <crdlb> you have fglrx installed
[05:03] <crdlb> sudo apt-get --purge remove xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:04] <limbert65> Please bear in mind I haven't installed any video drivers other than what came with Xubuntu Feisty.
[05:04] <crdlb> if it says ATI then you have
[05:04] <limbert65> Hmmm.
[05:04] <crdlb> and if you don't purge fglrx it won't work
[05:05] <limbert65> So if I remove fglrx, and purge, it'll revert to correct drivers?
[05:05] <crdlb> just run that command
[05:05] <crdlb> then try glxinfo|grep direct again
[05:05] <limbert65> okey dokey
[05:05] <crdlb> it interferes
[05:07] <limbert65> doing it now..
[05:08] <limbert65> You, sir, are a steely-eyed missile man.
[05:08] <limbert65> direct rendering "yes", now.
[05:08] <crdlb> np
[05:09] <limbert65> So, problem fixed, or I need to install something else?
[05:11] <crdlb> you now have open source 3d acceleration
[05:12] <limbert65> thanks for all the help.  Much appreciated.
[05:15] <kalikiana> crdlb, If glxinfo says 'Mesa GLX Indirect' although it's the open ati driver, what might be the problem?
[05:16] <crdlb> kalikiana: what card?
[05:16] <kalikiana> crdlb, 9800 Pro
[05:16] <crdlb> on feisty?
[05:16] <kalikiana> Yes.
[05:17] <crdlb> glxinfo|grep client
[05:17] <kalikiana> Says vendor: SGI
[05:17] <kalikiana> Seems wrong...
[05:18] <crdlb> that's actually right
[05:18] <crdlb> lsmod|grep radeon
[05:18] <kalikiana> radeon                124576  0
[05:18] <kalikiana> drm                    81044  1 radeon
[05:19] <crdlb> pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:21] <kalikiana> crdlb, http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpervp1c.php
[05:22] <crdlb> kalikiana: and you haven't installed fglrx?
[05:23] <kalikiana> crdlb, Nope, according to apt-get fglrx is not installed. I don't even have the restricted repository enabled.
[05:24] <crdlb> try this: sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
[05:33] <kalikiana> crdlb, Reinstall just finished. Direct rendering still says no. Do I have to reset or reload something?
[05:33] <crdlb> kalikiana: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:36] <kalikiana> crdlb, http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4803
[05:37] <crdlb> I know this
[05:37] <crdlb> kalikiana: pastebin the full output of lspci
[05:37] <crdlb> this is an agp problem
[05:37] <crdlb> and I remember an ubuntu bug about it
[05:38] <kalikiana> crdlb, http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4804
[05:39] <crdlb> I think that's it
[05:39] <crdlb> let me find the bug
[05:39] <crdlb> there's a fix
[05:39] <crdlb> bug 78684
[05:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78684 in linux-source-2.6.20 "AGP not detected on Intel 8285P and E7205 chipsets using kernels higher than 2.6.17" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78684
[05:40] <crdlb> !bug 78684
[05:40] <crdlb> the fix is to blacklist two modules
[05:40] <crdlb> !blacklist
[05:40] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u
[05:40] <crdlb> those modules are:
[05:41] <crdlb> e7xxx_edac and edac_mc
[05:41] <crdlb> just add them on separate lines
[05:46] <crdlb> btw, this bug would affect fglrx too
[05:49] <kalikiana> crdlb, I added two 'blacklist' lines.  That seems weird to me.
[05:53] <crdlb> they're just for something called edac
[05:54] <crdlb> which apparently isn't vital
[05:54] <kalikiana> Ah, okay. I'll reboot now. Thank you for your help. :)
[06:08] <kikr_> hey
[06:08] <kikr_> i'm at the xubuntu screen
[06:08] <kikr_> how do I install?
[06:08] <kikr_> I chose
[06:08] <kikr_> I chose Start or install Xubuntu, but it just loaded a gui desktop
[06:08] <kikr_> how would I install/overwrite existing os?
[06:09] <crdlb> do you see an install icon on the desktop?
[06:10] <kikr_> oh... didn't even think to look on the desktop
[07:13] <kikr_> does xubuntu come with a compiler?
[07:13] <kikr_> because i'm getting an error when trying to compile xchat
[07:13] <hitmanWilly> kikr_: you need to install the build-essential pkg
[07:14] <kikr_> how would I do that?
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> kikr_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> for some (stupid) reason, ubuntu doesn't come with gcc installed by default
[07:15] <crimsun> no, but it is on the CD.
[07:15] <kikr_> is apt-get like ports for freebsd .... and like emerge for gentoo?
[07:15] <hitmanWilly> yup, well sort of
[07:16] <kikr_> so then I could just sudo apt-get install xchat
[07:16] <Pumpernickel> It's more like packages.
[07:16] <hitmanWilly> kikr_: that works
[07:17] <hitmanWilly> unless you want to compile from source for some reason
[07:20] <kikr_> "Cannot find glib"
[07:25] <shirish> guys is there a GUI script like Autofsck or fsckdown for xubuntu?
[08:06] <Ademan_> installing the xubuntu-desktop package is paramount to installing xubuntu from the start right? (so long as you select an xfce session in gdm)
[08:07] <Ademan_> i mean obviously you'd have all the GNOME stuff as well, which would basically be cruft at that point...
[08:07] <Ademan_> but other than that
[10:26] <g1> hi, what to use for switching the keyboard layout
[10:49] <lysergide> g1 right click on panel -> add new item , from there choose kbd layout switcher.
[11:52] <Mirellie> Hello. I have a question, im using Xubuntu, how can i start partition manager?
[12:04] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: yes, you can
[12:04] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: well, what partition manager?
[12:07] <Mirellie> i was thinking about this one i used in installation process
[12:08] <Mirellie> i don't have it in application list, and don't have idea what should i type in console :)
[12:11] <grazie> Mirellie: is someone helping you? (I've just logged on)
[12:11] <Mirellie> yes, someone tried but i can type my question again
[12:12] <grazie> fire away!
[12:12] <Mirellie> i'm xubuntu user and i need to start partition maganer, same one i used in installation
[12:13] <Mirellie> (installation was from livecd)
[12:14] <grazie> gparted use to use up to edgy on the install cd, but is not installed on the hard drive. Feisty using uses another app (I can't recall the name). I'd recommend installing gparted
[12:14] <grazie> !info gparted
[12:14] <ubotu> gparted: GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.5-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 316 kB, installed size 1588 kB
[12:14] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: was jut away
[12:14] <grazie> hi hyper_ch
[12:14] <hyper_ch> hiho grazie
[12:14] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: just install gparted... what do you want to partition?
[12:14] <Mirellie> thanks a lot :)
[12:15] <Mirellie> i need to separate form my ext3 70GB partition a fat32 10GB partition
[12:17] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: hmmm.... then it's better to download the gparted live disk
[12:18] <hyper_ch> sorry... misread it :)
[12:18] <hyper_ch> well, you can't alter a partition that's mounted... so you'll have to unmount it first
[12:20] <grazie> Mirellie: if 70G partition is the xubuntu installation you'll need a livecd (xubuntu or as hyper_ch says the gparted livecd which is better)
[12:21] <Mirellie> i have 3 partitions, 1. linux, 2.swap 3.data, i need to separate 10gb from 3rd one
[12:21] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: "data"? how is that mounted?
[12:21] <Mirellie> /home
[12:21] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: then you need a livecd... xubuntu or gparted or something
[12:22] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: well, you could do it without liveCD it'll just involve a few more thing :)
[12:22] <Mirellie> hmm, i prefer doing it without livecd, its really slow :/
[12:23] <Mirellie> and this computer is old, thata why i installed xubuntu
[12:23] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: gparted live-CD is not loading a whole OS :)
[12:24] <Mirellie> oh i see, im using a xubuntu first time
[12:24] <Mirellie> so i just use live cd
[12:24] <Mirellie> thanks a lot for help
[12:24] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: you are on the live-cd?
[12:24] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: well, without live-cd it would be (1()
[12:24] <Mirellie> nope, i started xubuntu from hd
[12:25] <hyper_ch> (1) edit /etc/fstab and uncomment that your partition will be mounted into /home
[12:25] <hyper_ch> (2) reboot the system
[12:25] <hyper_ch> (3) partition the partition to your liking
[12:25] <hyper_ch> (4) have the altered partition mounted again in /home by editing your /fstab
[12:26] <hyper_ch> btw, can you open a command line terminal and execute the following command and paste it in a pastebin?
[12:26] <hyper_ch> !pastebin | Mirellie
[12:26] <ubotu> Mirellie: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:26] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: cat /etc/fstab
[12:27] <Mirellie> !pastebin | Mirellie
[12:28] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: just pastebin the output of      cat /etc/fstab
[12:28] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: and then post the pastebin url here so that I can have a look at it
[12:33] <Mirellie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21262/
[12:39] <deniz_ogut> Hi dear friends. I have some problems with the "run an application" tool, obtained by pressing Alt+F2. I can't run some terminal commands/programs via it although I check "run in terminal" box. One example is w3m, a terminal based Web browser. It comes with xubuntu as default. I can run it by opening a terminal and entering w3m command there but not neither from "run an application" tool nor from a quick launch button set to open it with in a terminal.
[12:42] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: you see this line:   UUID=7f34d7a1-65ff-4732-b62d-f86271a695e9 /home           ext3    defaults     ? this one needs to be uncommented
[12:42] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: in the terminal enter:    sudo nano /etc/fstab
[12:42] <hyper_ch> and then you put a   #   in front of that line
[12:43] <hyper_ch> after that, press    ctrl-x   for quitting nano and you will then be asked to save to modified file
[12:43] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: press "y" and enter
[12:46] <Mirellie> ok, done
[12:51] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: then you need to reboot...
[12:51] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: and then you can run gparted on that partition
[12:52] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: it will not be mounted anymore.. this means all your settings and stuff won't be loaded as they are on that partition
[12:56] <Mirellie> thanks, i downloaded "gparted-0.3.3.tar.gz" can you give me command line for installing this package?
[12:57] <Mirellie> i can google for it if thats a problem :)
[01:22] <ciro314> hello. how could i search files and folders on fesity?
[01:25] <Mirellie> hi again, im on livecd, whan i try to resize unmounted partition on gparted i got message "the following operation cannot be applied to disk"
[01:26] <Mirellie> "check filesystem on /dev/hda5 and (iff possible) fix them
[01:31] <hyper_ch> Mirellie: no clue... for me it has worked so far... better you ask in #gparted  if that channel exists
[01:32] <Mirellie> ok, thanks a lot for trying, have a nice day
[01:32] <Mirellie> cya
[02:32] <ciro314> hello. how could i search files and folders on fesity?
[02:33] <TheSheep> ciro314: ys, use 'locate' or 'find'
[02:34] <ciro314> where?
[02:36] <darrend> ciro314: do you want to search FOR files or search their contents (i.e. WITHIN them)?
[02:37] <ciro314> ... FOR
[02:37] <ciro314> i.e. mywork.zip
[02:37] <darrend> locate mywork.zip
[02:38] <darrend> locate mywork*
[02:38] <darrend> or whatever.
[02:38] <ciro314> on CLI ?
[02:38] <darrend> y
[02:38] <ciro314> it works ! thanks
[02:39] <darrend> locate is a fast search based on a database (index) that normally gets updated daily - so it won't see recent changes
[02:39] <darrend> for that use 'find'
[02:39] <darrend> do 'man locate' and 'man find'
[02:39] <ciro314> ok. thanks again
[02:39] <darrend> np
[02:41] <Alan-D> Alan-D: Morning all
[02:41] <Alan-D> I'm trying to upgrade from version 6.06 to 7.04
[02:41] <Alan-D> My current update-manager is .42.2
[02:41] <Alan-D> I'm trying to upgrade to 6.10 using the gksu "update-manager -c" command, but keep getting an error
[02:42] <Alan-D> Error message: Failed to fetch http://givre.capspace.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/packages.bz2 Sub-process returned an error code (2)
[02:42] <Alan-D> Can any one help me?
[02:44] <crimeboy> whats the size of xubuntu after installation ?
[02:45] <hyper_ch> !size
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about size - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <Alan-D> !error (2)
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about error (2) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <Alan-D> !sub-process
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sub-process - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <gnuYou> how do I set up Firestarter, it wont auto start when I boot
[02:49] <CoRnJuLiOx> does anyone here know how to remap the delete key in xubuntu 6.06?
[02:49] <kmindi|ibm-t20> hi
[02:49] <kmindi|ibm-t20> @all
[02:50] <CoRnJuLiOx> i'm trying to make a sort of a trash can, and have the delete key send all the files there instead of deleting them permanantly
[02:50] <kmindi|ibm-t20> cool
[02:55] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: why don't you just install Thunar 0.8.0, it has the trash can already
[02:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> theres no thunar 0.8.0 package for 6.06, is there?
[02:56] <CoRnJuLiOx> apt-get said that my installed version was the latest
[02:57] <CoRnJuLiOx> it sayss 0.3.1? wow thats ol
[02:57] <CoRnJuLiOx> d
[02:57] <gnomefreak> dapper will only get security updates not new packages
[02:58] <CoRnJuLiOx> crap. i'm out of luck then.
[02:58] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: you can get it from xfce.org and compile yourself, or just upgrade to edgy
[02:59] <TheSheep> CoRnJuLiOx: it will be surely faster, easier and more reliable than implementing your own trash
[02:59] <CoRnJuLiOx> TheSheep: yeah, it probably will b
[02:59] <CoRnJuLiOx> be*
[03:20] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: are you familiar with squid?  Can I give someone access to like this? I am behinde a router and have squid running.... and someone wants to get anonmous access through my computer from the outside.... so I direct a port from the router to squid and squid makes then the query and returns results? Does that work?
[03:30] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: should work
[03:31] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: make sure to either require a password or only allow his IP -- anonymous proxies are a bad idea
[03:31] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: using only the IP
[03:31] <hyper_ch> it's my work IP... it's a dedicated one
[03:33] <hyper_ch> and why are anonymous proxies a bad idea?
[03:34] <hyper_ch> I tend to think anonymous proxies are a good idea
[03:41] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you'll change your mind as soon as you try to run an open wiki
[03:41] <hyper_ch> why compare running an open wiki to a open anonymous proxy?
[03:42] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: because when you run on open wiki, you receive lots of spam edits done via anonymous proxies
[03:42] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: and there is no way to get to the author and tell him to stop
[03:43] <hyper_ch> well, isn't that a problem of the "open wiki"?
[03:44] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yeah, lock up everything and put 8 feet high fences everywhere
[03:45] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, I meant do those anonymous proxy people also have to subscribe in order to edit?
[03:46] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: real wikis doesn't have such thing as 'subscribing', besides the spam bots create fake user accounts without problems
[03:47] <hyper_ch> oh well, you can setup captchas or some other verification thingy
[03:47] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: locks and fences
[03:47] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: this is much more easily solved on the level of your proxy
[03:47] <hyper_ch> or some sort of moderation... like the first 10 edits need to be approved and then they can write what they want
[03:48] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, proxies are also for anonymity... a thing that gets more and more put away on the net
[03:48] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: there is no such thing as anonymity on the net
[03:48] <hyper_ch> there is some :) e.g. public wifis... :)
[03:48] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: everyone can be tracked, it's just a question of work involved
[03:49] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: but just because everyone can be tracked it doesn't mean you have to help them tracking you
[03:50] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: care to continue this amusing discussion on #xubuntu-offtopic?
[03:51] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: too many channels open already :)
[03:54] <jthomas> good day!  My 'safely remove' function mentions that I can change it to 'sync && umount'  Why is this not default?
[03:54] <hyper_ch> jthomas: ???
[03:55] <hyper_ch> jthomas: if I had a clue what you are refering to I might be able to help
[03:56] <jthomas> hyper_ch: thanks!  ok i plug in a flash drive to my Xubuntu and i can 'safely remove' it (umount it).  But i can also edit this command/button and it says 'some users may want to change it to 'sync && umount' (which should sync the data before umount it).  Why is this not the default behavior, is there a problem with syncing first??
[03:57] <hyper_ch> jthomas: when umounting it should be synced first (I tend to think)
[03:57] <TheSheep> um... I think that you always get the buffers synchronized before unmounting -- it's a part of the unmounting process...
[03:58] <hyper_ch> that's what I meant to say :)
[03:58] <jthomas> thats what i was hoping, but why would it suggest changing it?
[03:58] <TheSheep> jthomas: maybe the 'sync' it mentions is not just writing the buffers to the disk, but synchronising the content of some directories? (just guessing, depends on the application you use...)
[03:59] <TheSheep> jthomas: where do you have that option?
[04:00] <jthomas> not on Xubuntu now (at work with Kubuntu) so i cannot say for sure... maybe plugging in a USB and then right click, somewhere in there?
[04:02] <TheSheep> jthomas: I don't have such an option :/
[04:03] <jthomas> hmmm.. ok maybe in the 'control panel' thing?  sorry i really am not sure...
[04:04] <TheSheep> jthomas: control panel?
[04:04] <TheSheep> jthomas: well, just say when you can check it :)
[04:04] <jthomas> lol not sure its name, but its where one would set colours, fonts, printers, sound, etc
[04:08] <makki> hi
[04:09] <makki> gurub not load.. (error 18) can any one help
[04:12] <jthomas> TheSheep: not finding it,or given up?
[04:12] <TheSheep> jthomas: I'm sure I don't have it
[04:13] <jthomas> i'm sure that you do!! i promise!  just not sure where
[04:13] <TheSheep> jthomas: just check it when you get home
[04:13] <jthomas> will do
[04:13] <hyper_ch> what are you looking for?
[04:13] <jthomas> good day!  My 'safely remove' function mentions that I can change it to 'sync && umount'  Why is this not default?
[04:14] <hyper_ch> jthomas: where is that function?
[04:14] <jthomas> lol we don't know and i am not on Xubuntu right now
[04:16] <hyper_ch> thunar just gives "unmount volume" and that's fine
[04:19] <jthomas> hmmm
[06:38] <roger21> hello
[06:39] <roger21> how do i say xscreensaver not to ask for password
[06:39] <roger21> ?
[06:49] <deCon> go to screensaver settings in applications/settings
[06:50] <roger21> ok
[06:51] <roger21> and ?
[07:00] <TheSheep> roger21: disable 'lock screen'
[07:02] <roger21> ok but when i close and open my laptop or go on suspend it still ask for my password
[07:02] <roger21> i hate that
[07:49] <hwMoD|buntu> hi - how can I create a keyboard shortcut to show desktop?
[08:01] <IndyGunFreak> i'm trying to set up a custom icon for when my camera launches, now, it just shows it like a hard drive, how would i change this?
[08:15] <Keystroke> hi.
[08:18] <IndyGunFreak> I'm trying to set up a custom icon for when my camera launches, now, it just shows up like a hard drive, how would i change this?
[08:38] <yallaxx> guys i need some help here.. i get grub error 21 when trying to boot..here is my menu.list and device map: http://pastebin.ca/493332 ,i installed ubuntu on sda10  i also got winxp on sda1 and vista on sda7, also i got a second hd sdb with 2 partitions on..i used to have ubuntu on that aswell
[08:44] <deniz_ogut> yallax: This may be helpful: Bug #8978. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/8978
[08:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8978 in grub "Grub - Error 21 returned" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8978
[08:51] <Grey_Loki> How good is the cardbus support in Xubuntu? I want to add (bus powered, if possible) firewire support to an older packard bell laptop - would it just be a case of 'plug and play'?
[08:55] <sacater> when is the Gutsy beta's or herds released
[08:55] <sacater> is it some time in june?
[09:04] <Grey_Loki> sacater, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule is about all the information you're going to get, I think
[09:10] <kikr>  hey
[09:10] <kikr> I did "sudo hostname kikrbox" and now I can't run any apps
[09:10] <kikr> why is this
[09:20] <hyper_ch> Grey_Loki: is there a gutsy iso?
[09:21] <Grey_Loki> hyper_ch, I don't know - I haven't looked
[09:21] <hyper_ch> Grey_Loki: :) I miss my daily updates
[09:23] <Grey_Loki> Heh
[09:40] <kent> does xorg get really really big with an inadequate graphics card?
[09:41] <kent> !xorg
[09:41] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:42] <kent> even using blackbox, xorg slowly rises to 200 megs of resident space
[09:44] <TheSheep> kent: close firefox
[09:44] <kent> use opera?
[09:44] <TheSheep> kent: use less tabs
[09:44] <kent> ok
[09:44] <TheSheep> kent: it's because the web browsers keep each tab as an image in X's memory
[09:45] <kent> oohhh
[09:45] <kent> on my parent's computer, xfce only uses less than 256, but on my computer, it uses 2/3 of 512MB of ram
[09:46] <Grey_Loki> TheSheep, if you used several instances of say, Konqueror, would that take less than the same number of websites open in tabs in fire/swiftfox, or opera?
[09:46] <Grey_Loki> *less memory space
[09:46] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: I don't think so
[09:46] <kent> i changed my swappiness to 10
[09:47] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: the idea is to limit the number of pages you have opened at the same time :)
[09:47] <kent> ok, i see, TheSheep , i can restart x with cntrl alt del
[09:48] <Grey_Loki> I noticed that both Opera and Firefox were really hogging resources - I thought it was something to do with the browsers, not my browsing habits
[09:48] <Grey_Loki> What would the best non-tabbed (preferably native) linux web browser be?
[09:48] <kent> dillo?
[09:48] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: the only solution would be to keep the pages downloaded but not rendered, and render them every time you switch tabs -- but that hard on the cpu
[09:49] <TheSheep> Grey_Loki: well, you can just disabletabs in firefox :)
[09:49] <Grey_Loki> Hehe
[09:49] <kent> yeah, that would solve things :)
[09:49] <Grey_Loki> Come to think of it, I think you could do that in Opera, too
[10:22] <am_>  hi,  i installed xubuntu fiesty and I want to add fluxbox as an additional wm.  I found a guide that tells me to run this command ("echo "exec startfluxbox" > ~/.xinitrc).   Won't this overwrite xfce ?
[10:24] <maxamillion> am_: uhmm... don't listen to that guide
[10:24] <maxamillion> am_: just do "sudo aptitude install fluxbox" and then everything is installed and in place, you just have to log out, and select fluxbox as the session you want and then login .... easy as that
[10:25] <maxamillion> am_: apt-get, synaptic, etc will work also (i just like aptitude)
[10:29] <gop> hey
[10:29] <maxamillion> hello
[10:29] <gop> any here know if it possible to install ubuntu or xubuntu on a usb hard drive external encousler
[10:30] <gop> do I do a normal install
[10:30] <gop> can I bring the usb drive anywhere and it have it load up
[10:30] <gop> with ubuntu
[10:30] <maxamillion> gop: yes, i've heard of many people installing it on usb devices .... i don't entirely know how, but i know it can be done
[10:30] <gop> where would I get information on this
[10:30] <maxamillion> gop: http://linutop.com/ <--- company that does it ... lemme find you a link about how to do it
[10:32] <maxamillion> gop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent?action=show&redirect=LiveUsbStick
[10:33] <gop> ahh I got usb pen drive
[10:33] <gop> but I mean a usb 3.5 hard drive
[10:33] <gop> ide to usb encoulser
[10:33] <Grey_Loki> gop, I think it would be the same method
[10:33] <gop> o oh k
[10:34] <Grey_Loki> Since they're both USB storage devices - one is just bigger than the other
[10:34] <gop> oh hmm so true
[10:35] <gop> let me try and I assume I could leave some space for ntfs
[10:35] <maxamillion> yeah
[10:35] <maxamillion> the system sees them the same
[10:36] <gop> cool
[10:36] <maxamillion> :)
[10:36] <Grey_Loki> Although in this case, you would have to make sure that the computer you're going to be using is able to boot from a USB device.
[10:36] <gop> my dell does
[10:36] <gop> f12
[10:37] <maxamillion> brb
[10:37] <Grey_Loki> Well in that case, it's all good ;)
[10:38] <gop> hmm Unable to seek on /dev/sdd
[10:39] <gop> boo
[10:39] <gop> Unable to seek on /dev/sdd
[10:45] <maxamillion> back
[11:18] <b52laptop> hi
[11:18] <Merchelo> evening
[11:19] <b52laptop> euh please my sound card have stopped to worked !? she was working but  i don't hear any more any sound
[11:20] <Merchelo> do you have the volume applet for xfce?
[11:21] <b52laptop> yeap
[11:21] <b52laptop> the volume applet is ok
[11:21] <b52laptop> the select the right value in the mixer too
[11:25] <b52laptop> in fact there is a sound and suddently it stopped !! and then sound again !!
[11:27] <b52laptop> :(
[11:50] <T`> anyone here use xubuntu with dvorak? i'm trying to see how to get that layout into the layout changer
[11:51] <T`> anyone here use xubuntu with dvorak? i'm trying to see how to get that layout into the layout changer
[11:51] <T`> err..
[11:51] <T`> sorry for the repost
[11:55] <Merchelo> !dvorak | T`
[11:55] <ubotu> T`: dvorak is a keyboard layout that aims to be more comfortable and efficient alternative to the standard "QWERTY" pattern. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
[11:56] <Merchelo> hah
[11:56] <T`> Merchelo, eh?
[11:56] <Merchelo> yeah, my bad, or maybe it's the bot's fault...
[12:03] <IndyGunFreak> how do you change a device icon(for instance, usb hard drive), in Xfce?
[12:06] <IndyGunFreak> anybody?
[12:14] <blizz> hey there
[12:14] <q-t> Hey, when I try to install xubuntu, it wont format my harddrive.....O_o
[12:15] <Pumpernickel> Yeah, there are a couple bugs related to that.
[12:15] <q-t> ok
[12:15] <q-t> anything i can do?
[12:15] <Pumpernickel> LiveCD installer, right?
[12:15] <q-t> yupp
[12:16] <q-t> I tried to figure out the fdisk, but....
[12:16] <blizz> is there a good n64 emulator packaged somewhere?
[12:16] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[12:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[12:17] <Pumpernickel> There's a workaround posted there.
[12:20] <IndyGunFreak> Pumpernickel: how do i change the default icon(like for a USB hard drive), with Xfce/Xubuntu 7.04
[12:21] <q-t> just to double check, I got some advice to 'update-rc.d -f gdm remove' to make xubuntu not start into X before I type startx on boot up. This is correct? It wont go back to booting directly into X the next time or something?
[12:21] <Pumpernickel> Nah, that would work.
[12:21] <maxamillion> q-t: yeah, that sounds about right
[12:22] <q-t> kool, having alot of trouble with my graph card, and last time i tried to make it work, the whole thing wouldnt start again, but this time i want to make it so i choose to start x
[12:23] <maxamillion> q-t: fair enough
[12:23] <q-t> hehe
[12:25] <q-t> Anyone here know much about vertical sync on graph cards? How do you know what to pick when you configure it manually?


[02:37] <LjL> The IRCC have determined that I should leave the IRC Team, and I will not be an operator any longer. It has been nice to be around for these years, at least with some of you. Have fun. Logs of the discussion that led to this decision will be released on the Ubuntu IRC mailing list.
[06:37] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:09] <AlanBell> morning MooDoo
[08:09] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell how are you/
[08:10] <AlanBell> a little tired
[08:10] <MooDoo> :( oh dear :(
[08:11] <IdleOne> We kept him up half the night
[08:13] <MooDoo> oh dear, what's happening in here ;)
[12:52] <Alchimista> is there any op of #ubuntu around?
[13:00] <IdleOne> how can I help you Alchimista
[13:01] <Alchimista> IdleOne: i think there is no more need. There was a guest user on #ubuntu with unapropriate conversation on pvt, but left already
[13:02] <IdleOne> ok, well if they return please feel free to join #ubuntu-ops and report.
[13:02] <Alchimista> ok, thanks
[13:02] <IdleOne> welcome
[13:02] <DJones> Alchimista: Out of interest, who was the user, it may be one that we've seen before
[13:03] <Alchimista> [12:54] <-- Guest79406<EMAIL_ADDRESS>deixou este servidor (Quit: Ex-Chat).
[13:03] <DJones> Thanks
[13:04] <Alchimista> this is a logged channel, not sure if putting an ip was a good idea, neverless, it can be usefull for future references. he basicly started a pvt chat just has i logged in and tryed to start a conversation about sex. My first thought was that it may be a bot
[13:05] <DJones> Its not one that seems to have been an issue in the past (as far as I can see), probably just one off, but at least we're aware of it for the future
[13:06] <IdleOne> Alchimista: #ubuntu is also logged so the ip was recorded when they joined there
[13:07] <Alchimista> sure, that's why i came to report it. it was pvt and provably many of newbies on channel hasn't any idea on how to deal with it
[13:12] <MooDoo> have I missed the excitement?
[21:48] <Unit193> IdleOne: ubuntulog doesn't log joins/quits/parts and IIRC mode changes/kicks.
[21:49] <IdleOne> ah yeah


 And have you got around to fixing the planet?
[03:10] <humphreybc> quickshot site*
[03:12] <daker> yes for this week
[03:12] <humphreybc> wicked
[03:12] <humphreybc> almost finished the UMP site, just waiting to sort out some pictograms and I need to fix photoshop.
[03:12] <daker> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek#The timetable
[03:13] <humphreybc> yes, developer week is on
[03:14] <daker> there is no django session ?
[03:14] <humphreybc> no idea
[03:22] <daker> youpi there is a session on Friday
[03:33]  * daker doesn't know if he is ready to apply for a membership
[09:39] <jenkins> hey
[09:39] <dpm> hey :)
[09:39] <jenkins> have you looked at the draft?
[09:40] <dpm> jenkins, sorry for not having responded earlier, I've been away for a week and I've just come back today. I had a quick look at it and it looked great to me. Let me have another look now, I've also got some questions to you
[09:40] <jenkins> no worries,
[09:40] <jenkins> lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-translations-quickstart/booklet  is the branch with it in
[09:41] <vish> dpm: hi , which is the channel for ubuntu translations?
[09:41] <dpm> vish, #ubuntu-translators
[09:41] <vish> dpm: cool , thanks
[09:41] <dpm> np :)
[09:45] <humphreybc> oh look!
[09:45] <humphreybc> it's David Planella!
[10:05] <dpm> hey humphreybc :)
[10:06] <humphreybc> hello!
[10:06] <humphreybc> haven't talked since UDS
[10:06] <nisshh> humphreybc: hey
[10:06] <dpm> yeah, time flies :)
[10:07] <nisshh> my sis just got a lovebird and its sitting on my shoulder
[10:07] <humphreybc> nisshh: a lovebird??
[10:08] <nisshh> yea
[10:08] <nisshh> like a budgy
[10:08] <nisshh> a real bird
[10:08] <humphreybc> good times
[10:08] <nisshh> its good because its really quiet
[10:08] <nisshh> doesnt swuak at all
[10:09] <nisshh> skwark
[10:09] <nisshh> oh whatever
[10:09] <humphreybc> lol
[10:09] <humphreybc> right
[10:09] <humphreybc> be back soon
[10:12] <dpm> jenkins, I've had another look at the draft, it look fantastic to me. That, plus some styling, was exactly what I was looking for. What would be the next step to basically make it look awesome?
[10:13] <jenkins> dpm basically its what do you want changed and where
[10:14] <dpm> jenkins, so shall I just make a list and add it as a reply to your e-mail?
[10:15] <jenkins> that woul dbe great
[10:15] <nisshh> dpm: who are you?
[10:16] <jenkins> translations cordinator iirc
[10:16] <dpm> nisshh, and you? :)
[10:16] <vish> nisshh: https://launchpad.net/~dpm
[10:16] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/~dpm
[10:16] <vish> :)
[10:16] <dpm> ah, vish beat me to it :)
[10:16] <nisshh> ah
[10:16] <nisshh> cool
[10:16] <nisshh> i was like "who the hell is this guy he knows everyone!
[10:17] <nisshh> "
[10:17] <dpm> hahaha
[10:17] <nisshh> dpm: https://launchpad.net/~nisshh
[10:18] <dpm> nice to meet you then, nisshh :)
[10:18] <nisshh> you too dpm :)
[10:45] <dpm> jenkins, while I'm preparing that list of what I'd like changed in the booklet and where, I've got a couple of questions. I've got limited experience with docbook stylesheets, but I did try creating the PDF from the original docbook article. I tried the nwalsh stylesheet and also docbook2pdf. They were ok, but the images were scaled and looked just wrong with the nwalsh stylesheet and they just didn't appear on the docbook2pdf output. I'd like to play
[10:45] <dpm> with the resulting PDF to understand what can be changed - what did you use to generate your draft PDF?
[10:46] <jenkins> I converted the docbook to latex, then played with the scaling
[10:49] <jenkins> dpm: if you look in the branch there is a *.tex file which has all the styles etc in
[10:50] <dpm> jenkins, yeah, I saw the file, but I wasn't too sure how it was exactly used. So how do you do the conversion to latex and then to PDF?
[10:53] <jenkins> I used dblatex but did a lot of minor tweeks, you need to install latex from the manual team ppa as per http://freakaboutlinux.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/tip-using-the-ubuntu-manual-projects-ppa/ . you then need to run two commands which i will look up
[10:53] <jenkins> xindy -C utf8 -M texindy -L english ubuntu-translations-quickstart.idx
[10:54] <jenkins> xelatex ubuntu-translations-quickstart.tex
[10:54] <jenkins> that will build the pdf file
[10:54] <dpm> awesome, I'll try that, thanks.
[10:55] <jenkins> no worries shout if you need some help
[10:57] <dpm> jenkins, so why does latex need to be installed from the PPA? is that a post-Lucid upstream version with bug fixes or new features, or modified by the manual team?
[10:58] <jenkins> dpm: it is a version newer than lucid, I have not tried but you could try just installing the xindy, xindy-rules and cciocns  packages from the ppa and stick with the lucid stuff.
[10:58] <dpm> ok, thanks, I'll try to play with it
[14:33] <daker> hello
[19:19] <trijntje> Hi, I recently noticed that the ubuntu-manual can be translated to dutch with open permissions. The ubuntu dutch translation team has been working on the manual for quite some time, so we were wondering if the permissions could be changed to "structured" to make sure our work is preserved
[19:28] <jenkins> trijntje: I don't see why you can not change it there was a discussion on the mailing list about 6 months back, about it i will see if i can find it
[19:32] <jenkins> trijntje: I checked the e-mail and feel free we decided people could change to structured if they wished
[19:34] <trijntje> jenkins, thanks a lot for the information, ill send a mail to our team leader


[00:09] <C0nundrum> tomreyn you still there ?
[00:11] <C0nundrum> For some reason it's showing the whole partition is sdb1
[00:30] <jcbjoe2021> C0nundrum: what’s going on? I’m really née but I hate when I ask a question and nothing lol
[00:31] <jcbjoe2021> New*
[00:32] <Guest3794> Hi
[00:33] <Guest3794> I'm having trouble with my Ubuntu 20.04, the wifi is connected but no internet
[00:43] <nikolam> I again got Firefox dying with no big reason, only this time it's Firefox Develop[er and not regular Firefox from Ubuntu 21.04
[01:16] <Hash> I was in X and switchd to tty 7 and then back to tty1 to back to X and now all my windows render incorrectly
[02:16] <guigui-80> bonjour jwisbell35 comment aller vous?
[02:23] <silverdust> hello, I messed up something with my C headers, or some configuration for compiling C code.  I'm now unable to build some software that works in a fresh Ubuntu image in VM.  I had installed scc, tcc, musl, GNAT, others, so I'm not sure what the root cause is
[02:24] <silverdust> are there any packages that can help me trace back, or restore default headers?
[03:04] <jago092> i installed ubuntu onto external hard drive. when it asked me which HD i'd like to install the bootloader on, I selected the external hard drive. Then when i removed the HD and restarted the computer I saw grub CLI for some reason
[04:04] <jago092> i installed ubuntu onto external hard drive. when it asked me which HD i'd like to install the bootloader on, I selected the external hard drive. Then when i removed the HD and restarted the computer I saw grub CLI for some reason
[04:10] <toddc> jago092: have you set bios to boot to the external drive as the first boot device?
[04:10] <jago092> i can boot into it. it's just that i didn't want to leave evidence behind on the university computers
[04:13] <toddc> depending on how the computer is set up---I usually disable usb device boot up on all work computers so you would have to reset afterwards
[04:16] <toddc> bios aways needs to know what to boot to and what order and as I said above I limit work computers for security and to avaiod boot issues/tampering
[04:17] <toddc> most scheeols will do the same
[04:25] <toddc> jago092: install grub will take over all bootloaders so you will need to reinstall the original boot loader--windows boot repair?   using a live ubuntu will not install grub so that will not leave a trace
[04:26] <jago092> toddc, these computers allow you to boot from an external drive but dont allow changing bios settings. if i was able to change bios settings then i could have changed it so it selects the windows boot loader before grub
[04:26] <jago092> toddc, im still able to get it to boot into windows by going to the boot menu and selecting windows boot loader. its just that its not the default selection when you turn it on
[04:27] <jago092> toddc, perhaps i could add something to grub to get it to boot into the windows bootloader quickly
[04:28] <toddc> need acess to bios to change boot or windows boot repair  you can add ubuntu to windows boot but i have not done that
[04:28] <toddc> and that would leave a trace
[04:35] <linocisco> hello all, I have startup problem everytime after login. here is the apport.log entries under /var/log. https://pastebin.com/0Zw3MFsV
[04:35] <linocisco> Any suggestion is appreciated to remove that annoying dialogbox
[04:38] <guiverc> jago092, grub properly exists in /boot/grub/ on your installed drive; the boot code is limited to to only a few commands entered by users unless the installed drive is available at boot time
[04:39] <jago092> quitman, i just ran sudo grub-mkconfig -o /universityEFIdrive/grub.cfg and it updated it with some menu entries (before it was entry). are you saying it won't be able to display them?
[04:39] <jago092> entry/empty
[04:46] <guiverc> jago092, they'll be saved in /boot/grub/ generally; so whatever drive that was installed to.  A boot sector (pointer; grub stage 0) only is written to the boot device (ie. pointer to where the grub boot code is)
[04:50] <Lazarus> ohk
[06:01] <swift110> hey all
[06:08] <fudgespinner> hi
[08:39] <Gwalenn> hi, I made my application launche and it works fine. But I want to see it on my desktop. I placed it in ~/Desktop (Bureau in french) but it doesn't appear.
[08:40] <Gwalenn> **launcher
[08:45] <Gwalenn> of course, on the net you can see dozen of solutions with add-on programs doing the job. But for sure I should possible to do the job in command line
[08:54] <ninjax07> Anybody using dwm here? I'm planning to switch from i3wm
[08:59] <talismanick> When launching an Ubuntu (Server) ISO via virt-manager, what should be passed to --location?
[08:59] <talismanick> The download page for Ubuntu Server autoredirects without saying what the precise URL of the mirror is
[08:59] <talismanick> (it just gives a "download from ette.biz" or w/e)
[09:00] <talismanick> I doubt that'll work for --location
[09:00] <talismanick> (setting it to the user-facing redirecting page)
[09:03] <talismanick> There's an example --location parameter for Ubuntu in the virt-install manpage, but us.archive.ubuntu.com no longer exists
[09:10] <spookley> meat
[09:19] <talismanick> No one?
[09:20] <EriC^^> talismanick: not sure what you mean, us.archive.ubuntu.com exists
[09:21] <talismanick> EriC^^: Ah, perhaps it's only the specific URL from the manpage which no longer works
[09:21] <talismanick> Regardless, I can't connect to it securely
[09:22] <talismanick> EriC^^: focal is Focal Fossa, the 20.04 LTS release, right?
[09:23] <EriC^^> yeah
[09:23] <talismanick> perfect
[09:23] <talismanick> Although, this is quite troubling
[09:23] <talismanick> I certainly wouldn't want to run the command if I can't connect via HTTPS (on public university WiFi network)
[09:24] <EriC^^> talismanick: see here in case it helps https://askubuntu.com/questions/1237165/cant-install-ubuntu-20-04-kvm-guest
[09:25] <talismanick> EriC^^: What are some other mirrors?
[09:25] <talismanick> I found what I think is the Oregon State one, but it didn't work
[09:26] <talismanick> (and, despite being updated in 2020, the folders under focal/ had 2010 in the name, which seemed off)
[09:27] <EriC^^> the one in the link seems good, main ubuntu one
[09:28] <talismanick> nvm, do believe I've found a list
[10:15] <ducasse> talismanick: why not grab the iso first and pass it to virt-manager?
[10:21] <talismanick> ducasse: I did
[10:22] <talismanick> It kept on failing due to lack of a "default" network
[10:22] <talismanick> and I read that this could be fixed by setting --local
[10:22] <ducasse> weird, never had that issue
[10:25] <talismanick> a-ha!
[10:25] <talismanick> https://0x0.st/-ELe.txt
[10:25] <talismanick> A segfault on virsh calling dnsmasq to start the "default" network!
[10:26] <talismanick> Time to eagerly Google this error and hit a dead end again! :')
[10:29] <talismanick> First result for error says to disable SELinux, which I don't have
[10:29] <talismanick> but, but
[10:29] <talismanick> I do have AppArmor
[10:30] <talismanick> And I see files and folders with "libvirt" in theirs names in /etc/apparmor.d/
[10:31] <tomreyn> if you want to autoinstall ubuntu server, the most future proof approach is probably to use its autoinstall feature
[10:32] <tomreyn> debian-installer has been phased out, so you rprrobably don't want rely on that
[10:34] <tomreyn> yet another option https://powersj.io/posts/ubuntu-qemu-cli/
[10:40] <C0nundrum> Finally got some time to jump back here tomreyn. This is what is says about my lvm partition with missing partitions
[10:40] <C0nundrum> https://gist.github.com/dragonpiper/60e48171ebd769dcdb0ca96d6fd7042e
[10:40] <C0nundrum> vg-extra that is
[10:44] <tomreyn> C0nundrum: hi. what are you trying to do there? what's this gist for?
[10:44] <tomreyn> (and why are you addressing me specifically)
[10:44] <EriC^^> C0nundrum: it looks like a /boot rather than a root fs
[10:44] <C0nundrum> A list of info on vg-extra. It was an ubuntu installation on a lvm volume. I'm trying to mount it on a new installation. I saw you pinged me earlier but i lost the message because i was on webchat. O
[10:45] <C0nundrum> I'm on a client now so i can actually look back at the history
[10:45] <tomreyn> !logs
[10:45] <EriC^^> C0nundrum: anything in /oldsystem/lost+found ?
[11:38] <C0nundrum> EriC^^  /oldsystem/lost+found is empty
[11:39] <C0nundrum> THis is all i see
[11:39] <C0nundrum> https://gist.github.com/dragonpiper/a1b5c9601fbae95c0fa1aa54f78ab60d
[12:16] <C0nundrum> Any ideas on recovery ?
[13:03] <tomreyn> C0nundrum: even if the old root file system was corrupt there would be more than just the contents of /boot in there now, and those would not be in the top level directory. i think you did not tell the full story of what happened. also, while it doesn't help the situation you seem to be in now, you should have had backups in the first place.
[13:10] <tomreyn> talismanick: see bug 1810067 - looks similar
[13:14] <C0nundrum> tomreyn i did import and export it on the cd before i exported rebooted into the new os and imported
[13:14] <C0nundrum> I don't have backups as those were on the live cd and i didn't back up the originals i dont think
[13:14] <C0nundrum> i guess the lvm2 partition is what is missing
[13:15] <tomreyn> C0nundrum: i mean backups of your data on the malfunctioning disk which you were booting to previously.
[13:15] <tomreyn> (that would include a backup of lvm metadata if you included /etc in your backups)
[13:15] <C0nundrum> don't have the catch to redundantly backup a tb sadly
[13:16] <C0nundrum> should have had backups of the metadata
[13:16] <C0nundrum> i was rushing to much i guess. Is there anything i can do ?
[13:17] <tomreyn> C0nundrum: can you describe how you exported and imported the lvm metadata, which system you're now running?
[13:18] <tomreyn> also, when was vg-extra created, and by whom? this is a not a VG name the ubuntu installer would pick, so i'm wondering.
[13:18] <C0nundrum> i did a vgrename so there wouldn;t be a collision when i imported it
[13:18] <C0nundrum> it was the generic name
[13:19] <tomreyn> and did you find a way to stabilize your internal storage and the overall hardware, yet? i remember that there were problems with the storage, but i think you also said the system was generally freezing?
[13:22] <C0nundrum> Well... it recently just crashed again. was just going to ask you. the reason for that should be in kern.log right ?
[13:23] <C0nundrum> I did a fresh ubuntu 18.04 on a different hardrive but the same machine
[13:24] <tomreyn> hardware failures will not always be detected by the operating system. but they may be, then you'll see it in systemd-journald's logs.
[13:29] <tomreyn> if i was in this situation, i'd do the following, in this order: test the overall hardware to ensure it's stable (memtest, cpu burn in test). replace storage wiring / connectors + connect storage to different mainboard connector; do a long smartctl self test. if that fails, or DRDY errors continue to be logged in system logs, acquire a storage which is at least (exactly) the same size as the existing one. use dd-rescue to back up all data from
[13:29] <tomreyn> the old storage to an image file. upload the image somewhere or get another storage to make another copy on. use testdisk to try to recover the (supposedly) lost on-disk structures.
[13:29] <tomreyn> C0nundrum: ^ this takes some time and effort, though, make sure it's actually worth it.
[13:30] <C0nundrum> I mean its either that or wipe the drive right ?
[13:30] <tomreyn> wiping a drive will not magically fix broken (?) hardware
[13:31] <C0nundrum> I'm refering to the missing partition issue. Solving the hardware issue, is there is one won't solve that
[13:32] <C0nundrum> hm, in the kern log i see . irq_stat 0x08000000, interface fatal error; ata5: SError: { HostInt }
[13:32] <C0nundrum> Would that be what locks up the os ?
[13:33] <C0nundrum> I also get alot of  failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED. Not sure if that's just normal for ssd on my motherboard
[13:33] <tomreyn> anothe rpiece of info that was lacking from your latest paste were the characteristics of the LVs on vg-extra and those of the file system which you have/had mounted to /oldsystem
[13:34] <tomreyn> if the OS can't write to the disk / bus its primary file systems are mounted from, this could macke it lock up, yes
[13:34] <tomreyn> that is, if this happens all of a sudden
[13:35] <C0nundrum> Right something like that may have happen such as from a power loss to trigger or a reboot or from a lockup
[13:36] <tomreyn> this ATA error can suggestbroken sata wiring or a bad (broken hardware) sata controller
[13:36] <C0nundrum> I've tried swapping the cables. Brand new ones of a trust brand even
[13:36] <C0nundrum> trusted *
[13:37] <C0nundrum> also tested contacts
[13:37] <tomreyn> it could also be buggy firmware
[13:38] <tomreyn> or just a broken disk
[13:38] <C0nundrum> Right :/ in wich case i have to toss the bug. I have a service to cycle the board so i use it for now. That last partition just became to unstable. If i can at least recover the old /var/lib/docker directory. That would be amazing
[13:38] <C0nundrum> toss the board*
[13:39] <C0nundrum> I already have a service on a power switch that cycles it when there is a lockup that last over 30 mins that i've been using for a couple monmths to keep it alive
[13:39] <C0nundrum> It could be the board or the cpu , i think i replaced the ram already.
[13:42] <tomreyn> i don't remember which mainboard and bios version or which disk and firmware you had there. you could look for firmware updates for either, but if this is old hardware which has been unstable for a long time, you probably should not spend much time on it now
[13:42] <C0nundrum> the hd i have the os on should be stable enough as i had it running on a shitty asrock mb on windows 8.1 and it was far more stable than the amd pc so i don't think it's storage unless linux somehow taxes it differently
[13:43] <C0nundrum> Yea for the amd pc they released 2 bios its a amd 8160 i belief
[13:43] <C0nundrum> So there's no tooling besides a disk rescue program that can help me ?
[13:44] <tomreyn> i'm not familiar with "amd 8160"
[13:44] <C0nundrum> https://gist.github.com/dragonpiper/b211e83c6d9db78a27acb102a36f7ec5
[13:45] <tomreyn> it's not clear what exactly the situation you're in is, so it's difficult to recommend tooling. generally, as long as these bus errors persist, trying to recover the data on the same computer seems like a bad idea. try it on a different computer, do you see the same errors there?
[13:46] <C0nundrum> I have 2 issues. 1: Constant ubuntu cashes on 18.04 and the kernel it comes with. 2: getting access to a lvm partition that wasn't imported correctly
[13:46] <C0nundrum> the one i want help with solving atm is the lvm issue
[13:48] <tomreyn> ok, did you connect the disk you want to recover data from to a stable computer, yet?
[14:13] <C0nundrum> yes
[14:14] <EriC^^> C0nundrum: what does 'df -h /oldsystem' show?
[14:22] <fanta> Hi
[15:08] <grantbow> EriC^^: df - report file system disk space usage ... -h, --human-readable
[15:09] <grantbow> from man df
[16:05] <jontyms> Time appropriate greetings, I seem to be experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1946003. Is there any fix? it is making my pi completely unusable
[16:09] <tomreyn> jontyms: does this affect a supported ubuntu release?
[16:09] <tomreyn> (the bug report is against upstream cloud-init)
[16:14] <jontyms> yes I am on ubuntu 21.04
[16:15] <jontyms> I reverted the package to 21.1 and that fixed the problem
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> !info cloud-init hirsute
[16:22] <tomreyn> jontyms: maybe you could add this info to the bug report
[16:27] <jontyms> sorry I should have done more testing before complaining. I am not seeing the unusual cloud-init usage
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> jontyms: so something else was making your pi unstable? did you find the bottleneck?
[16:30] <jontyms> cloud init was showing up as high usage in htop but I re installed cloud-init and the problem went away
[16:31] <jontyms> is there any reason to keep cloud-init installed?
[16:32] <webchat30> I am new to Ubuntu, running it on a Mac Mini, trying to connect to Wifi, getting the message, "No Wifi Adapter Found." I read old posts on the web to try figuring this out, but couldn't. Can someone help me, please?
[16:33] <toddc> webchat30: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[16:34] <webchat30> toddc: I'll take a look. Thanks.
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> jontyms: cloud-init shows as extra on 21.04 on above info, wich ubuntu iso/image did you install on your pi?
[17:23] <Gwalenn> launchers are in my ~/Bureau (Desktop) and doesn't appear on the desktop
[17:27] <fling> Which repo has shiftfs patch for 5.14 ?  I was trying to push to a git repo and it gave me this error: `server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none`
[17:39] <ogra> famubu, ask the server maintainer to fix their cert ... see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates/+bug/1944481
[17:44] <Aavar> Hi! I am trying to set up a openvpn-server on ubuntu 20.04. I am using this script and it is working. The issue is that there is no password or username, so if my *.ovpn file is to get into the wrong hands it will be bad... does anyone know an easy way of editing the script to include that?
[17:48] <famubu> ogra: Thanks. So it's probably not something wrong with my config.
[17:50] <leftyfb> Aavar: first off, don't let your ovpn files get into the wrong hands. Second, .ovpn files don't have credentials by default anyway. They can only refer to another file using the auth-user-pass parameter
[17:50] <famubu> I also had trouble installing emacs packages from elpa. But elpa.gnu.org is opening fine in the browser though `gnutls-cli elpa.gnu.org` gives this error: https://bpa.st/5SVQ
[17:50] <famubu> Any idea how this could be fixed?
[17:51] <leftyfb> famubu: you'll have to contact elpha for support with their services
[17:52] <leftyfb> famubu: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[17:52] <famubu> leftyfb: I'm on 18.04
[17:52] <famubu> It seemed to be working fine for others, so I thought it was something to do with my config.
[17:53] <Aavar> leftyfb: Isn't it a good idea to require both the certificate and a password?
[17:54] <Aavar> I think that was how it was set up on my asus router a few years ago...
[18:16] <webchat47> is it possible to share laptop's wifi internet connection with hotspot ?
[18:20] <Aavar> webchat47: yes
[18:21] <webchat47> Aavar: how can i do so please? when i connect wifi the hostspot icon disappears
[18:22] <EriC^^> webchat47: you need another wifi adapter
[18:22] <EriC^^> i think
[18:24] <webchat47> EriC^^: so it's not possible with normal laptop setup, right?
[18:25] <EriC^^> it seems it might work, see here webchat47 https://askubuntu.com/questions/318973/how-do-i-create-a-wifi-hotspot-sharing-wireless-internet-connection-single-adap
[19:02] <guzzlefry> hello, I'm on 20.04 and some updates seem to have thrown off my keyboard mappings. Any ideas on how to fix it?
[19:05] <guzzlefry> Specifically I had a bunch of shortcuts programmed to work with the SUPER + function keys. Those no longer work.
[19:05] <guzzlefry> hrm, just kidding, works now after turning the keyboard on and off. 0.o
[20:32] <markofcorn> I had this working on the same machine before but I did a fresh install and now it wont work. I added a couple of cifs network drives to my fstab and they aren't mounting successfully on boot. I've tried quite a few different settings and nothing seems to work. I CAN mount them using sudo mount -a so I know my fstab is correct
[20:32] <markofcorn> Here is dmesg output https://paste.c-net.org/NectarDivide
[20:38] <N4buc0> Hello guys! I am facing the following situation and I hope someone could help me.
[20:39] <N4buc0> I have an old HDD and I bought a new SSD, I know that there is the possibility to just clone my old HDD to the new SSD
[20:39] <N4buc0> However I prefer to install ubuntu into the new SSD and then just install all my applications into the new Ubuntu OS
[20:40] <N4buc0> My question is: Is there the possibility to just list all the applications I have and copy it as command and just run this command in the new Ubuntu?
[20:40] <N4buc0> I hope this possibility exist, if so please could some one tell me where to read more about it?
[20:44] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/9135/how-to-backup-settings-and-list-of-installed-packages#answers
[20:45] <Bashing-om> N4buc0: see ' apt show debfoster ' >> debfoster xan also only lists those packages manually installed.
[20:45] <EriC^^> N4buc0: this should narrow it down a little, then manually go over them to fine tune it, comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u) > ~/my_installed_packages
[20:45] <N4buc0> tomreyn, Bashing-om and EriC^^, Thank you very much for your help! I will read more about those options!
[20:46] <tomreyn> those last two are better than what i suggested for retrieving the list of primary packages (omitting dependencies of those)
[20:46] <EriC^^> N4buc0: once you have the list, run 'sudo xargs -a /path/to/my_list apt-get install -y' to install them on the new system
[21:18] <Sven_vB> hi :) where can I find help for creating firejail profiles in focal?
[21:18] <vimart> Hello Guys
[21:20] <Sven_vB> hi vimart :)
[21:21] <vimart> hi Sven_vB
[21:42] <Diagon> Having lots of problems with mice: double clicks when they should be single, dropping when I'm trying to drag, failure when I try to select.  Yes, more than one machine & more than one mouse.  20.04.  Thoughts?
[21:46] <yukiup> trackpad?
[21:48] <Diagon> No, regular HP lasermouse
[21:49] <Diagon> yukiup ^^^  I've also used a trackball, which presented both those and more problems.
[21:50] <Diagon> No problems with pointer movement.  Only when clicking/selecting/dragging/dropping
[22:30] <webchat56> can I ask about permissions?
[22:34] <tomreyn> webchat56: <ou're generally welcome to instantly ask your ubuntu support questions here
[22:41] <mybalzitch> but you have to ask 3 questions at a time, or you get banned.
[22:41] <mybalzitch> (sarcasm)
[23:36] <Guest24> is jingos based on ubuntu?
[23:37] <StoneMonarch> Guest24: https://ubunlog.com/en/jingos-una-distribucion-basada-en-ubuntu-e-inspirada-en-ipados/


[18:32] <wildmanne39> elfy is there away to say get post 44 of a thread to convert instead of post 1? I tried but have failed
[18:33] <elfy> not sure - let me have a dig
[18:33] <wildmanne39> this is the thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10796508/postcount44
[18:33] <wildmanne39> ok
[18:36] <elfy> seems to do that - go to the thread - then click on the post number - you'll just get the post in a seperate window - use that URL - seems to work here
[18:39] <elfy> wildmanne - you got the most up to date version of the script - should be 0.4
[18:43] <wildmanne39> I believe let me look
[18:46] <wildmanne39> yes I do, I get a page to open but it is not that page
[18:47] <elfy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10796508&postcount=44
[18:47] <elfy> try that
[18:47] <wildmanne39> ok thanks I thought I had the wrong format at the end
[18:49] <wildmanne39> yeah that did it thank you save me a lot of work
[18:49] <wildmanne39> :)
[18:49] <elfy> woot - that's what teams are good for :)
[18:49] <wildmanne39> yep we all need help sometimes
[18:50] <elfy> threads where there are more than one post needing to go in the wiki will need each to be converted and then added together I guess
[18:50] <wildmanne39> yes that is my thought too
[18:50] <wildmanne39> some arw a mess
[18:50] <wildmanne39> are
[18:50] <elfy> another good reason for people to look at the results before letting it out
[18:51] <elfy> personally I think we should all have sandboxes
[18:51] <wildmanne39> elfy you know in my sandbox no formating will work I have to create a new page just to work on it
[18:52] <elfy> oh - wonder why that is
[18:52] <elfy> there's the forum wikli team one and you can use mine if you need to
[18:52] <wildmanne39> I do not know but I have tried several times and it is always the same
[18:53] <wildmanne39> I have added some threads to the rejected list also
[18:53] <elfy> oh good one - I've not had time to look at that for a while
[18:54] <elfy> I've not had much time fullstop
[18:55] <wildmanne39> I know what you mean I am doing as much as I can now I will be gone for about a week next month starting around the 7th
[18:56] <elfy> we can pretend to be a tag team then - I'll be back properly about then
[18:56] <elfy> :)
[18:56] <wildmanne39> there you go that is
[18:57] <wildmanne39> how teams work my cat hit the enter key while I was still typing
[18:57] <elfy> LOL
[18:57] <wildmanne39> she has to be as close as she can get
[18:57] <elfy> :)
[18:58] <wildmanne39> this is one is bobweavers he asked me to add some pictures but they are large I think that is going to be a problem
[19:01] <elfy> oh - you can set the size of the image
[19:02] <elfy> have a look at this one I did https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ForumWikiTeam/ImportTool
[19:02] <elfy> the last two images were big so I did [[attachment:gedit.png|{{attachment:gedit.png||width=750}}]]
[19:03] <elfy> took a while to get the size right - but you'll get the idea
[19:03] <wildmanne39> ok I see that is a nice thing to know
[19:03] <elfy> I assume you've seen the various wiki formatting pages ?
[19:04] <wildmanne39> tell me do you see a good way to integrate this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1799571&page=2 with the previous link I gave you?
[19:04] <wildmanne39> yes I have some things I do not understand like color text
[19:05] <elfy> I not looked at that yet - but I'd look for a page that had some :)
[19:05] <elfy> the whole page? ^^
[19:07] <wildmanne39> I think so or maybe just the pictures but I think that would be confusing I would rather leave that page out
[19:07] <wildmanne39> also the link to the driver is dead I need to find another one
[19:07] <elfy> oic - this is the stuff bobweaver thinks should be in the page
[19:08] <wildmanne39> yes he asked me to add the pics from the second page but I am not sure how to combine it with the first with out doing a lot of rewriting
[19:09] <elfy> wildmanne39: I would be inclined to not - do the wiki with the original information - the wiki is community based - if the community want to enhance they can
[19:09] <elfy> si my stance
[19:10] <wildmanne39> so just do the first page and let him edit as he wishes
[19:11] <elfy> otherwise we will get into a situation where post #5 of this thread, #72 of that one, #13 of the other would be best if they were all in the wiki page for post #1 of a completely different thread
[19:11] <wildmanne39> I see and that is a problem for me
[19:11] <elfy> yes - I would say so - if it was a matter of adding a bit here and there then that is different
[19:12] <wildmanne39> someone has already added the page but they had the first page and it makes no sense
[19:12] <elfy> I've not got any problem with anyone doing as they wish - but the 'team' position should be different perhaps :)
[19:13] <elfy> well there's nothing wrong with editing the exisiting wiki if it is wrong or making no sense
[19:13] <wildmanne39> I think you are right it is a big project and we can not do it all
[19:13] <elfy> exactly
[19:14] <wildmanne39> that is what I am going to do someone added the first page and left it that way but it is not the page that was intended to be added
[19:14] <elfy> you are right to want to change it all then :)
[19:15] <wildmanne39> ok thanks I am going to get started
[19:15] <elfy> k


[14:23] <airurando> Is anyone able to help Tom Taaffe with the internet connectivity query he posted to the mailing list?
[14:23] <airurando> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ie/2014-September/001394.html
[14:28] <tdr112> I saw that , its one of these that is hard to fix without having the pc infront of you
[14:32] <airurando> totally beyone me.  He contacted me first and i suggested the mailing list.
[14:33] <airurando> tdr112:  is a fresh install of 14.04 worth trying in his case?
[14:50] <tdr112> who knows they have setup the bit in windows right
[14:52] <airurando> thanks tdr112