[00:52] <Amaranth> wow ureadahead takes 20 seconds :/
[00:58] <chrisccoulson> Amaranth - it takes about 11 here
[00:58] <chrisccoulson> Amaranth - http://people.ubuntu.com/~chrisccoulson/bootcharts/
[00:58] <Amaranth> I'm just glad it works
[00:59] <Amaranth> total boot time is the same though, it just shows usplash longer than xsplash now
[00:59] <chrisccoulson> that's the behaviour i see too
[00:59] <chrisccoulson> xsplash flashes briefly before GDM loads ;)
[08:00] <hyperair> ....mutter is bloated.
[08:01] <hyperair> compiz with every plugin enabled doesn't rise above 4% of my memory, and yet here mutter is with 4 workspaces and several windows (no more than i usually have in compiz) taking up 6% of memory
[08:01] <hyperair> 6% of 2G = 120M
[08:30] <tjaalton> I can't modify the compiz settings, they are always reset to defaults
[08:31] <hyperair> probably some gconf failure
[08:31] <tjaalton> I want to get rid of animation since it breaks some apps, but even if I remove it with gconf-editor, it always pops right back
[08:31] <tjaalton> no, something is forcing it
[08:31] <hyperair> animation breaks apps?
[08:31] <tjaalton> tooltips
[08:32] <tjaalton> bibble flashes the desktop everytime a tooltip opens
[08:32] <tjaalton> or a menu
[08:32] <hyperair> huh?
[08:33] <tjaalton> what I said
[08:33] <hyperair> what's bibble, and what's it donig that causes the desktop to flash?
[08:33] <tjaalton> www.bibblelabs.com
[08:34] <tjaalton> when I open a menu or a tooltip appears, the desktop flashes on top of the app
[08:34] <hyperair> it sounds almost like.. dri1?
[08:34] <hyperair> with 3d, that is
[08:36] <tjaalton> even with simple-ccsm installed and using "custom" from the appearance capplet..
[08:37] <mac_v> tjaalton: did you try swtiching this off > /apps/compiz/general/screen0/options/unredirect_fullscreen_windows
[08:38] <tjaalton> mac_v: thanks, seems to fix it
[08:38] <tjaalton> and yes, it's a fullscreen app
[08:38] <hyperair> i thought you couldn't change anything?
[08:38] <tjaalton> I can't change the plugins
[08:38] <tjaalton> it always uses the default ones
[08:39] <tjaalton> so I couldn't remove 'animation' from the list
[08:39] <mac_v> tjaalton: yeah , thats a sideeffect of that option  :)
[08:40] <tjaalton> maybe I've set that in the past, the default seems to be off
[08:40] <tjaalton> bibble5 worked fine until some weeks ago
[08:40] <tjaalton> anyway, now I can get back to work :)
[12:17] <albasheers> vlc , mplayer not playing video in karmic kola
[17:29] <mac_v> !test
[19:48] <Omen20> hi is there a way for me to mount a drive thats in XFS>


[00:00] <daftykins> ja
[01:15] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5glmssiaojtbwgr/IMG_20150406_021348.jpg?dl=0
[01:15] <daftykins> o0
[01:15] <daftykins> *hic*
[04:30] <mapps> hey
[04:30] <mapps> ;D
[04:38] <mapps> none of the night owls up?:D
[09:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> death from above...
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> technically it's _a_ greeting :-)
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> everytime i wear my dr and quich t-shirt 'eat plutonium death, you disgusting alien weirdos'... :-)
[11:17]  * penguin42 giggles at Amazon uk offering an Azerty keyboard on discount starting at 9am tomorrow - like about a million bleary eyed people aren't going to notice the Azertyness
[14:45] <diddledan> arty noon
[14:46] <penguin42> hey
[14:46] <m0nkey_> PC parts arrive today
[14:46]  * m0nkey_ is excited
[14:47] <diddledan> \o/
[14:47] <m0nkey_> And Windows 8.1 is costing me $107 :/
[14:47] <diddledan> fooey
[14:48] <m0nkey_> Getting $12 off the original $120 price
[14:48] <popey> pip pip
[14:49] <m0nkey_> wow. it's 99GBP in the UK.. that's $184 CAD
[14:49] <m0nkey_> I'm getting a bargain!
[14:49] <penguin42> yeh we're always screwed
[14:52] <zmoylan-pi> it's a bargin as it's shipped on floppies... :-)
[14:56] <m0nkey_> License purchased
[14:57] <popey> Heathen
[14:57] <popey> (says the guy playing GTA IV on Windows 7
[14:57]  * zmoylan-pi casts ward evil on the channel :-P
[14:58] <m0nkey_> lol
[14:58] <m0nkey_> Gonna need it for my gaming. Sorry.
[15:01] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: careful,that might clear the channel out completely
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> nah the spell only effect chaotic evil so... ... bugger... :-)
[15:05] <diddledan> I think I probably come under the chaotic banner
[15:05] <m0nkey_> WHAT?! I need Windows to download Windows?! wtf
[15:05] <diddledan> eh?
[15:05] <zmoylan-pi> i'd have said neutral evil diddledan
[15:05] <diddledan> m0nkey_: doesn't it come on a disc?
[15:06] <m0nkey_> I opted for digital download
[15:06] <diddledan> aah
[15:06] <m0nkey_> So, I assume that it'll offer an ISO image
[15:06] <diddledan> prolly, yeah
[15:06] <zmoylan-pi> assume...
[15:06] <m0nkey_> No, it offers an executable
[15:06] <m0nkey_> To download/install Windows
[15:06] <diddledan> there should be an iso available
[15:06] <m0nkey_> Yeah, but no.
[15:07] <m0nkey_> You have to go looking for it
[15:07] <m0nkey_> Found a tool from microsoft to create a 8.1 iso image
[15:07] <m0nkey_> Of course, it's an executable.
[15:07] <zmoylan-pi> they like to advertise that installing windows is fun.  the first fun is finding the bits you need...
[15:07] <m0nkey_> Heathens for not providing a proper ISO image
[15:07] <m0nkey_> But, I have one now. Just need to find a blank DVD
[15:08] <zmoylan-pi> ah, firefly alignment chart... :-D http://i.imgur.com/ut1mbBW.jpg
[15:08]  * m0nkey_ quits (Reason: spell cast by zmoylan-pi [WE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF WINDOWS])
[15:09] <m0nkey_> :)
[15:09]  * zmoylan-pi puts up some garlic to flush the vampires out next...
[15:19] <m0nkey_> And i'm going to have to upgrade my Netflix account.
[15:19] <diddledan> o_O
[15:19] <m0nkey_> Turns out 2 screen is not enough
[15:19] <diddledan> I thought netflix only had one plan
[15:20] <diddledan> i.e. all you can eat or nothing
[15:20] <m0nkey_> Here, I got three options. 1 screen SD, 2 screens + HD and 4 screens + HD&UltraHD.
[15:20] <diddledan> o_O
[15:20] <diddledan> that's sucky
[15:20] <diddledan> we just have "netflix"
[15:21] <m0nkey_> You got Netflix, check out your account plan details.
[15:21] <m0nkey_> I'm guessing you have additional options
[15:21] <shauno> we only get one option.  I can haz moneys or I can no haz moneys.
[15:23] <shauno> it does seem to vary though, eg the US still has dvd-by-mail plans, which never existed here
[15:23] <m0nkey_> We dont have the dvd mailing option
[15:24] <m0nkey_> Two streams isn't enough, as I found out yesterday. Both kids had something different on tablets. So we I went to watch, it told me "Too many sessions"
[15:24] <shauno> oh huh, I do get three options.  I don't recall being offered options
[15:24] <m0nkey_> Kids these days, don't know how easy they got it.
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> i think you disable the kids wifi and free yourself some bandwith :-)
[15:25] <m0nkey_> I remember having to wait a whole 10 mins to download a 10 second mpeg from a por^H^H^H video site.
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> i remember having to wait 10 minutes to load a zx spectrum game thank you very much :-)
[15:25] <m0nkey_> Heh, I miss my ZX81
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> but it was star glider so it was worth it
[15:25] <m0nkey_> Manic Miner!
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> docking complete!
[15:27] <m0nkey_> Or my personal favourite, Rik Mayall's - How to be a complete b*****d game
[15:27] <m0nkey_> I miss that guy
[15:27] <m0nkey_> He was so funny
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> i watched the young ones and blackadder since, total brilliance
[15:28] <m0nkey_> You should also re-watch Bottom
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> and that too, slipped my mind
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> have them on dvd
[15:29] <diddledan> bottom was mad
[15:29] <diddledan> off-the-wall doens't quite cover it methinks
[15:29] <m0nkey_> # Wait a minute Mr UPS guy. Wai-wai-wai-Mr UPS guy. Look in your truck for a package for me! #
[15:30] <zmoylan-pi> i keep meaning to keep an eye out for the new statesman
[15:45] <diddledan> my internet is really slow toady
[15:46] <zmoylan-pi> should be a bit faster now that turkey has no youtube or twitter...
[15:46] <diddledan> oh?
[15:46] <zmoylan-pi> that's a lot less cat packets been shuffled around :-)
[15:46] <diddledan> why turkey no do twitter?
[15:47] <penguin42> diddledan: Something about them publishing some pictures from a terrorist seige
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> because they think it's the only way to protect the people from pics of terrorist acts from last week
[15:47] <diddledan> *le sigh*
[15:48] <zmoylan-pi> the guy who voiced gerry adams is hoping for more work...  "it looks like kiss me"
[15:54] <diddledan> I wonder if netflix has that yet?
[15:56] <diddledan> looks like not in the uk
[16:26] <diddledan> a teeny bit risqué, but for adults in the room, john oliver talks to edward snowden: https://youtu.be/ykfGWcmUbbk
[16:28] <Azelphur> So, I'm going to USA this week and I have no idea of what things to buy and bring back, suggestions?
[16:29] <diddledan> Azelphur: are you sure they'll let you leave?
[16:29] <directhex> gin!
[16:29] <Azelphur> diddledan: amusingly no, not really xD
[16:29] <penguin42> Azelphur: Well, now that you can get Oreo's in Europe there's really no point is there....
[16:30] <Azelphur> penguin42: dude, kispy kreme.
[16:30] <penguin42> Azelphur: We can get those in Manchester
[16:30] <penguin42> Azelphur: (at an exhaubitant price)
[16:30] <diddledan> don't forget to tak your false identity passport and the fake beard
[16:30] <Azelphur> penguin42: but do you actually have the proper krispy kreme shop that'll give you drive through made on the spot donuts?
[16:30] <penguin42> Azelphur: We do have one
[16:31] <diddledan> we get krispy kreme in tesco
[16:31] <Azelphur> penguin42: madness
[16:31] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea but that's just a shitty cabinet, it's not the same
[16:31] <penguin42> Azelphur: There are at least a couple of actual Krispy Kreme shops including one that has the bakery and I've had a fresh kk off the line still hot and dripping - it's wonderful
[16:31] <Azelphur> penguin42: exactly, it really is wonderful
[16:32] <Azelphur> British people usually have no idea just how good Krispy Kreme is xD
[16:32] <penguin42> Azelphur: I'm not sure if they do that all the time, it was just after they opened and they were giving away some of the fresh ones off the line as you waited to buy others
[16:32] <Azelphur> I see
[16:33] <Azelphur> Nah, in US they'll send you an SMS when they have a batch ready
[16:33] <Azelphur> and you just drive through and pick it up
[16:34] <directhex> there's a krispy kreme outlet at oxford castle complex
[16:34] <penguin42> Azelphur: https://goo.gl/maps/2fhSH
[16:34] <directhex> and another in the MK shopping centre
[16:34] <Azelphur> directhex: that's the stuff :P
[16:35] <Azelphur> but yea, last time I went out there it was black friday and I stocked up on HDDs, SSDs and some other misc bits :P
[16:35] <Azelphur> this time I'm gonna get a GTX 980 because my GTX 570 is about to break
[16:36] <directhex> i'm delaying my new pc again.
[16:36] <directhex> for money reasons, again
[16:36] <directhex> stupid crummy car
[16:36] <Azelphur> Kinda tempted to get a new board + CPU while I'm out there, but DDR4 is annoying me
[16:36] <directhex> but given current delays, the 980ti should be out by the time i'm buying
[18:05] <zmoylan-pi> maybe if they release a car that runs linux...
[18:10] <directhex> zmoylan-pi: plenty of IVI systems are linux-based
[18:24] <Azelphur> things I like about going to America: i7-4790K in USA: $279.99, in UK? £265.
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> yeah the $->£ price conversion is slightly annoying
[22:10] <daftykins> Azelphur: heh gotta get a few to make it worth your while :D
[22:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:10] <daftykins> it's baseball season once more \o/
[22:11] <daftykins> now if only i can work out how to watch it without trashing my waking hours
[22:15] <Myrtti> wheee hat works
[22:15] <diddledan> \o/
[22:16] <Myrtti> needed a bit of help with the code because I had stared it for days but atleast it's ready for the London trip this week
[22:46] <m0nkey_> new PC is up and running
[22:46] <daftykins> \o/


[10:01] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[11:49] <icey> ahoy
[14:03] <Forge> Grargh.


[22:55] <bazhang> we should see if they can join ##arguments
[22:55] <genii> heh
[22:55] <genii> I didn't catch up on the backscroll yet since the *node stuff
[22:56] <bazhang> he doesnt seem to know that you can be in more than one channel
[22:57] <genii> I don't use hexchat
[22:57] <genii> does it have tabs or something?
[22:57] <genii> ...or perhaps he's unregistered, can't remember if it's +r in there
[22:59] <bazhang> he's PMing me for a chat
[22:59] <bazhang> I think he just wants some of that private chattage
[23:00] <genii> :-/


[00:15] <mwhudson> bah snapcraft just said this to me:
[00:15] <mwhudson> Sorry, an error occurred in Snapcraft:
[00:15] <mwhudson> 'ReviewInProgress' is not one of ['Published', 'Unpublished', 'ManualReviewPending', 'NeedsInformation', 'AutomaticallyRejected', 'Rejected']
[00:15] <mwhudson> doing list-revisions
[06:47] <mborzecki> morning
[07:03] <zyga> good morning, hey mborzecki
[07:03] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[07:53] <mborzecki> quick errand, back in 30
[08:02] <pstolowski> morning
[08:03] <zyga> hey pstolowski
[08:08] <zyga> hey mvo, good morning
[08:17] <mvo> good morning zyga !
[08:18] <mvo> zyga: quick question - you had a pi and an sd card that was affected by this vfat write bug iirc. we have a fix in the pi gadget in edge, would be be easy for you to test? if not that would be lovely. otherwise I will test but I need to find an sd card first that I can reproudce the original issue with :(
[08:19] <zyga> xnox pinged me on Friday
[08:19] <zyga> yeah, I'm going to be working on a pi today
[08:19] <zyga> do you think I can test this on core or do I need cassic
[08:19] <zyga> *classic
[08:24] <mborzecki> re
[08:24] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: hey
[08:25] <mborzecki> mvo: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9751 ?
[08:25] <mup> PR #9751: cmd/snap-update-ns: fix sorting of overname mount entries wrt other entries <Squash-merge> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9751>
[08:38] <mvo> zyga: core is fine (sorry for the delay)
[08:39] <mvo> mborzecki: sure
[08:41] <zyga> mvo, thanks!
[08:50] <mup> PR snapd#9754 closed: o/devicestate: save model with serial in the device save db (2.48) <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9754>
[08:55] <mup> PR snapd#9751 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: fix sorting of overname mount entries wrt other entries <Squash-merge> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9751>
[09:10] <mup> PR snapd#9750 closed: tests: fix the scenario when the "$SRC".orig file does not exist <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9750>
[09:15] <mup> PR snapd#9749 closed: tests: fix lp-1899664 test when snapd_x1 is not installed in the system <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9749>
[09:32] <zyga> ok, morning meetings over, I'll work on some packaging and then switch gears to pi
[09:38] <xnox> zyga:  we have new uboot in both core (edge) and in classic (enable & upgrade to proposed) so whichever.
[09:39] <zyga> xnox yeah, that's best, I have a core installation and that will be easier for me to work with
[09:39] <xnox> zyga:  we don't bump the edition in the gadget.... so you might need to copy things out by hand from the new gadget =) or like copy things from the edge channel build of the image.
[09:40] <zyga> that's okay
[09:40] <zyga> xnox do you plan to bump it?
[09:41] <xnox> not until we have dtbs sorted.
[09:41] <zyga> xnox that's smart, I was about to ask
[09:41] <zyga> right now old installs are hosed by both bugs
[09:41] <zyga> thanks
[09:57]  * mvo hugs pstolowski for his review of 9738
[09:59] <pstolowski> mvo: yw, i hope it makes sense
[09:59] <mvo> pstolowski: I think so, thanks!
[10:15] <mup> PR snapd#9738 closed: secboot: use `fde-reveal-key` if available to unseal key <Squash-merge> <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9738>
[10:15] <mup> PR snapd#9757 opened: tests: move snapstate config defaults tests to a separate file <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9757>
[10:20] <mup> PR snapd#9758 opened: secboot: add new LockSealedKeys() that uses either TPM/fde-reveal-key <Squash-merge> <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9758>
[10:35] <mup> PR snapd#9759 opened: cmd/snap-update-ns: add better unit test for overname sorting <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9759>
[11:08] <ogra> error: error running snapctl: snap "scummvm" has "install-snap" change in progress
[11:09] <ogra> is that known ? (the install hook runs "snapctl", it works fine on a 20.10 install but not on a PiOS install (same snapd version)
[11:09] <ogra> )
[11:09] <ogra> (see https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/scummvm-snap-failing-to-install-on-rpi-4/21394 for details)
[11:10] <ogra> alan_g, ^^^
[11:16] <mup> PR snapd#9759 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: add better unit test for overname sorting <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9759>
[11:21] <mup> PR snapd#9748 closed: gadget: start separating rule/convention validation from basic soundness  <Cleanup :broom:> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9748>
[11:21] <pedronis> pstolowski: seems preseed reset needs tweaks maybe, it failed here: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9755/checks?check_run_id=1510031487
[11:22] <mup> PR #9755: daemon: split aliases support to its own api_*.go files <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9755>
[11:22] <pstolowski> pedronis: looking
[11:23] <pedronis> pstolowski: might also be not preseed that needs tweaks but the inhbit lock logic vs preseed itself
[11:23] <pedronis> *not preseed reset
[11:47]  * pstolowski lunch
[12:56] <pstolowski> re
[12:57] <pedronis> pstolowski: I did a pass on #9732 as well
[12:57] <mup> PR #9732: asserts: snapasserts method to validate installed snaps against validation sets <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9732>
[12:57] <pstolowski> ty
[14:01] <mup> PR snapd#9760 opened: cmd/snap-preseed: reset run inhibit locks on --reset <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9760>
[14:31] <pedronis> pstolowski: btw I left some comments in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9513 let me know if you have questions
[14:31] <mup> PR #9513: snapshotstate: detect duplicated snapshot imports <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9513>
[14:45] <pstolowski> ok
[15:27] <mup> PR snapd#9755 closed: daemon: split aliases support to its own api_*.go files <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9755>
[15:41] <pstolowski> pedronis: re your validation sets comment, for snaps at wrong revisions the error would show the required revision coming from assertion, wdyt?
[15:41] <pedronis> pstolowski: that seems a good step
[15:42] <pedronis> pstolowski: to be clear if the validation sets itself is not in conflict, there should be exactly one value
[15:43] <pstolowski> pedronis: good point
[15:54]  * zyga-mbp fiddles with pi which no longer prints anything on serial
[15:54] <pedronis> pstolowski: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9761 is the PR I mentioned in the standup
[15:55] <mup> PR #9761: daemon: actually move APIBaseSuite to daemon_test.apiBaseSuite <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9761>
[15:57] <mup> PR snapd#9761 opened: daemon: actually move APIBaseSuite to daemon_test.apiBaseSuite <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9761>
[15:58] <zyga-mbp> weird
[15:59] <zyga-mbp> took of the hat, fixed the problem
[16:00] <pstolowski> pedronis: ack, ty
[16:06] <pstolowski> pedronis: i updated validation-sets PR
[16:09] <pedronis> mvo: I made a high-level comment here https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9149/files#r537628269 let me know if you want to chat about it
[16:09] <mup> PR #9149: gadget: provide new gadget.ResolveContentPaths() (2/N) <Needs Samuele review> <Squash-merge> <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9149>
[16:10] <pedronis> pstolowski: thx
[16:14] <ijohnson> mvo: pedronis: should I include mvo in our sync tomorrow to talk about next things for me? I think so, but the calendar is rather tight tomorrow for both of you together
[16:15] <pedronis> ijohnson: I suppose after standup should work? usually standup is shortish these days
[16:15] <mvo> +1
[16:15] <ijohnson> ok that sounds good then
[16:15] <ijohnson> thanks
[16:16] <ijohnson> sent for half past the hour
[16:23] <zyga-mbp> xnox verifying now
[16:23] <zyga-mbp> xnox I even found the card
[16:24] <zyga-mbp> mvo if you are interested it is a 8GB samsung evo
[16:24] <zyga-mbp> probably bottom barrel card
[16:24] <mvo> zyga-mbp: great, thank you!
[16:26] <zyga-mbp> grabbing new pi snap
[16:26] <pedronis> pstolowski: I did a pass on #9429 too
[16:27] <mup> PR #9429: o/daemon: validation sets api and basic spread test <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9429>
[16:29] <pstolowski> pedronis: ty. i reviewed 9761
[16:29] <pedronis> thx
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> heh
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> what a day
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> sna zyga@pi3-2:~$ snap
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> [  162.936252] SQUASHFS error: xz decompression failed, data probably corrupt
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> [  162.943214] SQUASHFS error: squashfs_read_data failed to read block 0x576e07
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> [  162.967676] SQUASHFS error: xz decompression failed, data probably corrupt
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> [  162.974650] SQUASHFS error: squashfs_read_data failed to read block 0x576e07
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> [  162.998901] SQUASHFS error: xz decompression failed, data probably corrupt
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> [  163.005899] SQUASHFS error: squashfs_read_data failed to read block 0x576e07
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> fatal error: unexpected signal during runtime execution
[16:41] <zyga-mbp> [signal SIGBUS: bus error code=0x2 addr=0xa5396c pc=0x5d4dc]
[16:42] <pstolowski> oh sdcard failed?
[16:43] <zyga-mbp> pstolowski not sure yet, maybe
[16:47] <mvo> pedronis: I updated 9741, hope I did not miss anything :)
[16:48] <pedronis> pstolowski: I re-reviewed 9732, some ideas there
[16:48] <pstolowski> thanks
[16:48] <xnox> zyga-mbp:  is that mbp M1 ?!
[16:50] <pstolowski> xnox: not *yet* i think ;)
[16:50] <zyga-mbp> xnox nah, my "old" 9th gen 16"
[16:50] <zyga-mbp> vintage intel ;)
[16:55] <zyga-mbp> xnox if you want m1 status ask kissiel
[16:55] <zyga-mbp> xnox m1 is oOOh fast in his words, x2 speed of 4800u ryzen thinkpad t14
[17:12] <mup> PR snapd#9752 closed: gadget,o/devicestate: set implicit values for schema and role directly instead of relying on Effective* accessors <Cleanup :broom:> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9752>
[19:18] <mup> PR snapd#9762 opened: gadget: prepare gadget kernel refs (0/N) <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9762>
[20:25] <stgraber> root@snap-ubuntu-core-20:~# snap refresh
[20:25] <stgraber> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[20:25] <stgraber> - Download snap "pc" (115) from channel "20/stable" (cannot read device key pair: cannot find key pair)
[20:26] <stgraber> root@snap-ubuntu-core-20:~#
[20:26] <stgraber> how do I fix that? :)
[20:26] <stgraber> it's breaking LXD's CI on Ubuntu Core 20
[20:27] <stgraber> ijohnson: looks like you saw a similar report on the forum a few weeks back?
[20:27] <ijohnson> stgraber: this is from old uc20 images
[20:27] <ijohnson> you need to reinstall that uc20 image with newer snaps in the image
[20:27] <ijohnson> s/uc20 image/uc20 system/
[20:28] <stgraber> well, that's gonna be fun
[20:28] <ijohnson> it's a consequence of the changes we needed to make for uc20 fde support, we needed to move where keys are located and this breaks old systems unfortunately
[20:28] <ijohnson> I thought that images should have been respun already if you pull from cdimage automatically or something
[20:29] <ijohnson> but I haven't checked cdimages in a while
[20:29] <stgraber> it's a persistent test system
[20:29] <stgraber> hence the "fun"
[20:29] <stgraber> since I need to figure out how it was built and then go to create it, update DNS records, re-setup snap proxy and the like
[20:30] <stgraber> anyway, it as pre-release so I can't complain too much other than make a mental note not to setup CI for Core 22 until it's fully released ;)
[20:32] <ijohnson> yeah it's definitely unfortunate we didn't intend to break unencrypted systems like this but we just didn't have the time to try and implement support for both key locations
[20:36] <stgraber> ijohnson: the images your doc points to date from May, so presumably will hit the exact same issue?
[20:36] <stgraber> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/20/beta/current/
[20:36] <ijohnson> stgraber: good point we need to update that , but try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/20/candidate/pending/ instead
[20:36] <ijohnson> candidate > beta :-)
[22:04] <mup> PR snapd#9761 closed: daemon: actually move APIBaseSuite to daemon_test.apiBaseSuite <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9761>
[22:09] <mup> PR snapd#9763 opened: daemon: split find support to its own api_*.go files and move some helpers <Cleanup :broom:> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9763>
[22:39] <mup> PR snapd#9764 opened: interfaces/builtin/docker-support: allow /run/containerd/s/ <Needs security review> <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9764>


[06:23] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:23] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:28] <oSoMoN> afternoon duflu
[06:31] <didrocks> good morning
[06:48] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:19] <duflu> Tis the time of year for new build deps
[07:24] <didrocks> morning duflu
[07:46] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:47] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:47] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[07:47] <seb128> had a good w.e/monday?
[07:47] <duflu> seb128, Still not great. You?
[07:47] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:48] <seb128> I'm good
[07:48] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ? bon w.e ?
[07:48] <seb128> no U.K/U.S today, going to be a quiet day
[07:48] <didrocks> seb128: difficile, Martin a un pied-main-bouche, donc en manque flagrant de sommeil pour nous
[07:48] <didrocks> et toi ?
[07:49] <seb128> ah, zut :(
[07:49] <seb128> nous ça va, un nez qui coule mais rien de problématique
[07:49] <seb128> bon courage alors !
[07:49] <didrocks> merci :)
[07:49] <didrocks> il est chez la nounou là, ils sont tous infectés de toute manière
[07:50] <didrocks> donc un peu de répis
[07:50] <seb128> hehe :)
[07:59] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, didrocks
[07:59] <oSoMoN> looks like it's gonna be a quiet day indeed
[08:00] <oSoMoN> perfect for getting stuff done :)
[08:00] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, how are you? had a nice w.e?
[08:00] <seb128> hehe :)
[08:01] <oSoMoN> a very good week-end yeah, you?
[08:02] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN !
[08:06] <seb128> good as well!
[14:46] <Trevinho> morning!
[14:47] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[14:54] <Trevinho> seb128: hey! all good, you?
[14:54] <seb128> I'm good thx!
[14:54] <seb128> you are back in Europe? or not yet?
[15:03] <didrocks> hey Trevinho!
[16:13] <zyga> hey
[16:13] <zyga> who can I ping about https://blog.ubuntu.com/2018/03/26/introducing-the-new-snapcraft-branding
[16:13] <zyga> the images are broken
[16:14] <zyga> popey, Wimpress: ^ any ideas?
[16:54] <tkamppeter> seb128, I cannot access private bugs of NM though I get e-mail notifications about them.
[16:55] <tkamppeter> seb128, do I need to get added to some group/team?
[17:08] <oSoMoN> good night all
[19:31] <popey_> zyga: we're on vacation today. Maybe ping someone on the web team?


[08:23] <Spo8> Hi, is this the right place to ask an installation question?
[09:53] <cjwatson> ... sure, it would be if you didn't leave two minutes after asking whether you could ask
[09:53] <cjwatson> sigh
[12:41] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1865 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[12:41] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * Try harder to stop the new partitioner interfering with autopartitioning
[12:41] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  (LP: #84597).
[01:45] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1866 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.3.21
[01:46] <thom> cjwatson: partman-auto-md is in main for fiesty, i presume?
[01:46] <cjwatson> partman-auto-raid |          3 | feisty/universe/debian-installer | all
[01:46] <cjwatson> sorry, no
[01:47] <thom> ber :(
[01:55] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1867 ubiquity/ubiquity/components/partman.py: even more effective protection against new partitioner interfering with autopartitioning
[02:04] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1868 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py): * Ignore parted exceptions presented with priority medium or below.
[02:05] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1869 ubiquity/debian/changelog: reorganise changelog
[02:13] <evand> yikes, the latest reply to the m-a thread on -devel is not what I wanted to wake up to this morning.
[02:16] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1870 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.3.21
[02:17] <cjwatson> evand: I suspect it isn't your problem though
[02:17] <evand> cjwatson: I think he's not dual-booting.
[02:17] <evand> I replied and asked him a few questions.
[02:17] <evand> is that the conclusion you came to?
[02:17] <cjwatson> oh, you think he erased the disk?
[02:17] <cjwatson> I haven't really read it, just scanned it while moderating ubuntu-devel ...
[02:18] <evand> possibly.  I can't see it not even showing the partitions at all.
[02:18] <evand> Unless they're marked to be formatted.
[02:19] <evand> though the crash is obviously of concern
[02:19] <evand> I think I'm going to start making liberal use of log-output for the time being, just to make debugging easier.
[02:20] <evand> err, just use more verbose output
[02:21] <cjwatson> yeah, it's kind of unclear
[02:21] <cjwatson> more logging is always helpful
[02:21] <cjwatson> also, if he uses ubiquity --debug, that should get a debconf trace
[02:21] <cjwatson> (/var/log/installer/debug)
[02:22] <cjwatson> did you mention that in your followup? I don't see it yet
[02:22] <evand> ah, I followed up off list.  I asked him to run it with debug, attach that file, run os-prober, and run grep migration-assistant /var/log/messages
[02:24] <cjwatson> hmm, I'd generally suggest just getting people to attach whole files
[02:25] <cjwatson> I find it more reliable (bug reporters don't always follow instructions to the letter) and sometimes necessary
[02:25] <evand> ok.  At the time I figured /var/log/messages might be a bit large.
[02:25] <evand> But I shall do that in the future
[02:25] <cjwatson> I've never used /var/log/messages for this - /var/log/installer/debug (--debug mode), /var/log/syslog, /var/log/partman
[02:26] <cjwatson> /var/log/messages looks to provide roughly the same information as /var/log/syslog, so fair enough
[02:36] <evand> ah
[04:18] <saispo> hi all
[04:18] <evand> hello
[04:19] <saispo> cjwatson: i solve my problem, all work fine now with a local repository, all my personnal metapackages install and work :)
[04:19] <saispo> now i do cosmetic art ;-)
[04:20] <saispo> cjwatson: how i can i change at login "Ubuntu 6.10 ubuntu tty1" to other things ?
[04:20] <cjwatson> base-files
[04:20] <saispo> ok, must recompile it ? :/
[04:20] <cjwatson> default hostname (the lower-case "ubuntu") is netcfg/get_hostname
[04:20] <saispo> ok
[04:20] <saispo> thks
[04:20] <saispo> cjwatson: when all done, i will make patch and send you if you want
[04:21] <saispo> and write some docs about that...
[04:21] <saispo> the next big work for me, it's for partitioning and the detection of the first disk...
[04:21] <cjwatson> doesn't sound like the patch would be applicable
[04:21] <saispo> i think i must backport partman no ?
[04:22] <cjwatson> partman-auto
[04:22] <saispo> cjwatson: it's for the project i work
[04:22] <saispo> i don't think ubuntu needed it :/
[04:22] <cjwatson> you can extract the individual patches using bzr from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-auto/ubuntu
[04:22] <saispo> yep and rebuild the udeb ?
[04:22] <cjwatson> right, what I mean is there's no point sending me a patch for branding for a derivative distribution
[04:22] <cjwatson> yes
[04:23] <saispo> ok, thanks cjwatson, will work on this now :)
[04:54] <saispo> cjwatson: it's possible not to create a user just root ?
[04:55] <cjwatson> see the preseeding appendix of the installation guide


[00:01] <c_smith> this time I'm playing it safe and md5summing the iso (ended up starting with close to no GUI, which is tough to fix without figuring out what is missing)
[00:01]  * c_smith is probably talking too much
[00:04] <penguin42> c_smith: By close to no GUI do you mean you got the background, the icon for the installer, an icon for the example but nothing else?
[00:11] <c_smith> yep, which persisted after rebooting into the installation.
[00:12] <c_smith> Unity turned out to not have been installed.
[00:12] <penguin42> c_smith: Was that in a VM or on real hardware ?
[00:12] <penguin42> yeh, it hadn't installed unity for me either, when I did install unity it crashed almost immediately after boot
[00:22] <c_smith> hmmmm.... doesn't crash for me.
[00:22] <c_smith> but like I said, ALSA messed up.
[00:23] <penguin42> c_smith: was this on a vm or real hardware?
[00:23] <c_smith> *Pulse, not ALSA
[00:23] <c_smith> real hardware.
[00:23] <penguin42> hmm, ok, so the unity not installing wasn't a vm thing
[00:23] <c_smith> my laptop is not of the quality required for even remotely fast VM.
[00:23] <penguin42> I thought it might be on the basis it had no 3d hardware so might be a left over from trying to use unity2d
[00:24] <c_smith> from what I hear, they're looking to implement a LLVM Pipe
[00:24] <c_smith> for Unity and some other stuff.
[00:24] <penguin42> yeh, I wanted to try that, but didn't get far enough to figure out if they had
[00:25] <c_smith> well, gonna see if the ISO changed from this morning, I don't know when they upload the ISOs.
[00:25] <c_smith> and I'm also reinstalling to put Pulse back.
[00:26] <penguin42> c_smith: This is on the 64bit desktop iso with the md5 b388656967b60f8e312a3836c6ca33d8
[00:26] <c_smith> from this morning?
[00:26] <c_smith> if so, the new one is 1882fb56ee352dda80bdc14d4ba37c7ed34456a2  sha1
[00:27] <c_smith> that md5 matches.
[00:27] <c_smith> though.
[00:27] <penguin42> so does your sha :-)
[00:27] <c_smith> yep.
[00:28] <c_smith> looks like the issue will persist.
[00:28] <penguin42> c_smith: I guess just sit back and wait for a few days before someone hits it with a spanner
[00:29] <c_smith> either way, I also want to try and put the Webapps in without the ppa (as I see they are available, but ppa-purge wants to delete a lot more than just the webapps integration, most of which isn't related.)
[00:29] <penguin42> what is webapps?
[00:29] <c_smith> let me get a blog post of it up.
[00:30] <c_smith> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/ubuntu-unveil-new-web-apps-feature-for-12-10
[00:30] <c_smith> there you are.
[00:30] <penguin42> Thanks
[00:30] <c_smith> no prob
[00:31] <c_smith> it looks like it'll be nice, yet completely optional.
[00:32] <penguin42> yeh that does look neat
[00:33] <c_smith> it is.
[00:33] <c_smith> well, I'm off to start with a fresh install.
[00:33] <penguin42> good luck :-)
[00:37] <Daekdroom> Are webapps in the repo already?
[00:37] <Daekdroom> *repos
[00:40] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[00:40] <Daekdroom> !info unity-webapps-service
[00:40] <Daekdroom> I'm not wondering about precise, bad bot! :(
[00:41] <Daekdroom> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity-webapps
[00:44] <Daekdroom> Why do I have the impression I'm using outdated repos in Quantal?
[00:44] <Daekdroom> and I can't even start Software Sources to try and change them.
[00:45] <penguin42> it's all a bit broken at the moment
[00:46] <Daekdroom> Yeah, but the lack of updates lately is striking me as odd and so is the fact that I just installed webapps 1.9.1~something instead of 2.0.1
[00:47] <penguin42> I'm getting loads of updates on my Kubuntu quantal box - KDE and non
[00:48] <Daekdroom> There might be something wrong with the Brazilian mirrors. I'll change it to the main archives manually.
[00:50] <penguin42> right, bed
[00:52] <Daekdroom> 382 updates available.
[01:53] <Daekdroom> The new online accounts thing looks neat.
[01:53] <Daekdroom> Too bad I cannot choose which apps to integrate an account to.
[01:54] <Daekdroom> and Gwibber is really bad for using Facebook.
[02:52] <Darxus> dbus-daemon is using 100% of one of my cpu cores :/
[03:12] <jbicha> Darxus: you don't happen to have been using LibreOffice?
[03:12] <vivid> any idea when there will be a nouveau or nvidia update? im not able to startx with either of them at the moment.
[03:14] <vivid> or the 304.37 driver that supports abi 13
[03:14] <Darxus> jbicha: No.
[03:18] <trism> vivid: bug 1037896 for the nvidia driver, timeframe, unknown (maybe, "soon"), don't know about nouveau
[03:29] <vivid> nouveau should work....unless youre on geforce 560....gg
[04:56]  * gnomefreak loves cntrl+pageup or cntrl+pagedown :)
[06:14] <Walther> Does anyone have any idea about the keyboard shortcut regression?
[06:15] <Walther> as in, ctrl-alt-t doesn't launch a terminal even though I re-set it in settings
[07:26] <Walther> So, does anyone know anything about the keyboard shortcut regression?
[07:26] <Walther> ctrl-alt-t doesn't fire up a terminal
[07:26] <Walther> even though I re-set it in settings
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> Walther: if you use terminal a lot, I suggest you install guake
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> Walther: or yakuake if you use kde
[07:28] <Walther> I rather like gnome-terminal for its color scheme
[07:28] <Walther> and font
[07:28] <Walther> would definitely prefer getting the hotkey fixed :)
[07:29] <ActionParsnip> Walther: how do you mean colour scheme?
[07:29] <Walther> ...irrelevant to this argument
[07:29] <ActionParsnip> Walther: its just a super convenient terminal
[07:30] <Walther> I don't want a new terminal
[07:30] <Walther> I want my keyboard shortcut back.
[07:30] <ActionParsnip> Walther: then I suggest you report a bug
[07:30] <ActionParsnip> Walther: I'd try it before you shoot it down :)
[07:30] <Walther> Also, has anyone else noticed deaths of trackpads on laptops?
[07:30] <Walther> I'm getting mouse freezes every now and then
[07:31] <ActionParsnip> Walther: what make and model system please?
[07:31] <Walther> funny enough, clicking works, moving the mouse doesn't
[07:31] <Walther> Samsung N510
[07:34] <Walther> ...going for a reboot to get my trackpad back
[07:34] <ActionParsnip> Walther: http://pastie.org/4590171
[07:37] <Walther> two finger scroll etc works fine when they work
[07:38] <Walther> I just get an occasional total freeze, the mouse won't move at all
[07:38] <ActionParsnip> Walther: its worth trying, the settings will be lost on reboot
[09:34] <phillw> hi guys, penguin42 asked for some more information on bug 1041625 this has now been provided, is there anything else from the tester you kind people need?
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> phillw: which GPU?
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> phillw: try the boot option: nomodeset
[12:40] <Walther> How long until the nvidia-current package can be installed?
[12:40] <Walther>  nvidia-current : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable or
[12:40] <Walther>                            xorg-video-abi-12 but it is not installable
[12:48] <BluesKaj> HI all
[12:49] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:52] <Walther> Does anyone have an idea when the nvidia-current issue will be fixed?
[12:52] <Walther> It still depends on xorg-video-abi-12 which cannot be installed
[12:54] <BluesKaj> yes , Walther i was about to ask that same question , I haven't heard anything. We may have to wait til the beta release on Sept 6
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> could use the xorg edgers UPDATE ppa, less fresh, more stable
[12:55] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip:  oddly enough the nouveau driver seems to be holding it's own here
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: even with fullscreen HD vids?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> does everything I ask ,..fullscrn on this plasma tv , no probs
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: i'd use that then, may try it myself later just for kicks
[12:57] <BluesKaj> 3D , DR  , just an elcheapo nvidia 8400gs . works well
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: nice, i'm on a 6150LE, may have to try it out :)
[12:58] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip:  that shoulod be fine
[12:58]  * penguin42 only has one nvidia machine, with an old nvidia card in, and surprisingly nouveau does actually work now
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> yeah, its not bad, kicks up my cpu and stuff but it's getting replaced once i get some cash
[12:59] <Walther> for me it's a bit bigger issue as I currently only have my netbook for use
[12:59] <Walther> which has nvidia ion
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Walther:  are you running the regular ubuntu in netbook mode , or is that option even available anymore ?
[13:05] <trijntje> Hi all, I've just installed ubuntu server via netboot, but I have no network connection after install
[13:06] <trijntje> i've done 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up' and now eth0 shows up in ifconfig, but I still have no network connection. What can I do to fix this?
[13:08] <Walther> BluesKaj: iirc the netbook remix lasted for only a release or two
[13:09] <Walther> BluesKaj: regular ubuntu
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> trijntje: what network chip?
[13:14] <trijntje> ActionParsnip: MacPhyter DP83815
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> trijntje: ok, run:  sudo lshw -C network    what is the product line for the device
[13:17] <trijntje> product: DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller
[13:21] <penguin42> trijntje: When you say 'no network connection' - what do you mean exactly? Does /sbin/ifconfig show an ip address ? can you ping your router?
[13:23] <trijntje> penguin42: ifconfig doesnt show an ip adress, and ping says "connect: Network unreachable"
[13:25] <Walther> ...just to mention the basics, have you checked your cable?
[13:26] <Walther> sometimes problems are simpler than you might think
[13:31] <trijntje> Walther: i've just installed ubuntu server  via netboot, so i don't think it's a problem with the network cable
[13:32] <Walther> trijntje: Just wanted to start with the basics
[13:32] <Walther> anyway, got to go to the store and get some food before it closes
[13:32] <Walther> hope you guys can fix it
[13:32] <penguin42> trijntje: What does /etc/network/interfaces have to say - are you expecting it to dhcp?
[13:34] <trijntje> penguin42: ah, that file has listing for lo and em10, but not eth0.
[13:34] <trijntje> I remember now that during install it saw the wired network interface as 'em10'
[13:38] <penguin42> trijntje: That's an odd name - is this an unusual type of machine or a vm or something?
[13:39] <penguin42> trijntje: Can you report a bug on it, include the original/broken /etc/network/interfaces - the installer should get it right
[13:39] <trijntje> its an old laptop, designed for windows xp. I've installed Quantal on it numerous times, this is the first time I dont get a network
[13:40] <penguin42> trijntje: Is this the 1st time you net installed?
[13:40] <trijntje> penguin42: no, i've been testing net installs for all flavours, xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu, and now server
[13:41] <penguin42> trijntje: So it's just the server install that broke in this way?
[13:41] <trijntje> yes
[13:41] <penguin42> trijntje: Best to report it
[13:41] <penguin42> (Hmm which installer package does server use?)
[13:42] <bobweaver> anyone here know how to customize Nux ?
[13:44] <trijntje> penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1041838
[13:44] <trijntje> thanks for your help!
[13:47] <penguin42> np
[13:49] <BluesKaj> nice not to have to fool with /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf/head , to put the dns servers in place , listing in network interfaces is a less clunky
[13:52] <penguin42> heck, when did resolvconf get so complicated
[13:55] <BluesKaj> in 12,04 i think , it became "Dynamic" ...whetever that meant , probly that the resolv.conf was being written to each boot or network connection ..dunn  the mechanics or thre reasoning behind such a change
[13:58] <BluesKaj> I'm still getting a pixelated totally unreadable lightdm login page , where I have to drop to the tty login and then startx from there ..kdm doesn't work either ..gdm wants to install the whole gnome desktop which I won't use
[13:58] <penguin42> anything in /var/log/lightdm ?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> no penguin42 the files there are all blank
[14:01] <penguin42> oh, that's weird - they're normally quite chatty
[14:04] <bobweaver>  BluesKaj  you updated xorg ?
[14:05] <bobweaver> lightdm has some new features that I had to purg and reinstall
[14:05] <bobweaver> purge *
[14:06] <bobweaver> after the xorg debackel
[14:07] <BluesKaj> bobweaver:  no i didn't upgrade xorg , trying to use the graphics setup that works on the desktop at least.
[14:07] <bobweaver> BluesKaj,  you are at tty ?
[14:07] <bobweaver> what is apt-cache policy unity
[14:08] <bobweaver> 6.2 or 6.5  ?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> no bobweaver, on kde plasma desktop
[14:09] <bobweaver> Oh kde works great for me on 12.10
[14:09] <penguin42> yeh, same here
[14:10] <penguin42> it's odd he's not getting any error logs
[14:10] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Your / isn't full is it ?
[14:10] <bobweaver> so when you boot it says you are in low graphics mode blah blah blah ?
[14:11] <bobweaver> sorry BluesKaj  ^^
[14:11] <bobweaver> wont let you to lightdm ?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> bobweaver:  not in low graphics mode , lightdm crashes the login page , otherwise everything fine
[14:13] <bobweaver> what you unity-greater file look like ?
[14:13] <bobweaver> BluesKaj,  ^^
[14:13] <bobweaver> might want to purge that and lightdm and re-install
[14:13] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Can you pastebin your /etc/lightdm/* ?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj: You mean lightdm-gtk-greeter package?
[14:13] <penguin42> you mean lightdm-kde-greeter package?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> OK. you mean you're on Kubuntu, right?
[14:14] <bobweaver> good point all I guess the best thing is to look at the version of lightdm
[14:14] <BluesKaj> just r4einstall 12.10 yesterday , i see no reason to reinstall lightdm greeter
[14:14] <BluesKaj> reinstalled rather
[14:14] <bobweaver> lol
[14:15] <bobweaver> BluesKaj,  you got  1.3.2  installed of lightdm ?
[14:15] <bobweaver> or 1.3.1 ?
[14:16] <bobweaver> apt-cache policy lightdm
[14:16] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj: What are you on? Kubuntu?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> bobweaver:  1.3.2
[14:17] <bobweaver> Yeah BluesKaj  I am telling you that I had the same issue 3 days ago
[14:18] <penguin42> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1168115/  is the output of dpkg -l \*lightdm\* for my machine
[14:19] <bobweaver> penguin42,  you are using the qt version hey I love QT now there is a soild framework
[14:21] <bobweaver> I can say that that is the same packages that are installed on my machine also
[14:21] <penguin42> bobweaver: This machine has a clean kubuntu installed from the alpha a few weeks back when I got an SSD, so very pure
[14:22] <bobweaver> penguin42,  are you part of the kubuntu team ?
[14:23] <penguin42> no
[14:23] <bobweaver> wondering when they are going to change default programs to qml
[14:23] <bobweaver> like browser and what not
[14:23] <penguin42> bobweaver: Not sure, there seem to use qml in a few places in the window manager already
[14:23] <smartboyhw> If which flavor of Ubuntu is the one that I'm most not familiar with, it is Kubuntu:( I never tested it
[14:24] <penguin42> smartboyhw: Try it, you might like it :-)
[14:24] <bobweaver> This is all I know about QML/QT not much ;)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfrm117Ukr0
[14:24] <smartboyhw> No, I like xfce, and I'm in the Ubuntu Studio team, which uses Xubuntu as a base so NO.
[14:25] <bobweaver> that is all qt and qml ^^
[14:25] <bobweaver> it can run on 128 mb of ram
[14:26] <bobweaver> and a p3
[14:26] <penguin42> bobweaver: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/scripts/desktopchangeosd/contents/ui/main.qml is an example that does the little animation as you slide between desktops
[14:26] <bobweaver> ahh states and transtions
[14:26] <bobweaver> looking now
[14:27] <penguin42> actually, there is loads of it in kde4/apps - not looked at much
[14:28] <bobweaver> yeah there are some things in that code that I am not liking
[14:29] <bobweaver> like line 226 using visablity control via opacity is not a good idea should be both to get the full effect
[14:29] <bobweaver> opacity: 0; visable: false;
[14:30] <bobweaver> or even better would be
[14:30] <bobweaver> opacity: .66 ; visable: false;
[14:30] <bobweaver> that way it is have way visable when the transtion happens :)
[14:30] <bobweaver> would create "fading effect "
[14:32] <bobweaver> then line 87 we use squental animation and then number animations
[14:33] <penguin42> bobweaver: qml does seem to be a 'oh my god we can do animation and by golly we will!'
[14:33] <bobweaver> Good video to show what I am talking about   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjjIk4e_6Q4
[14:34] <bobweaver> I was tring to implament compiz to qt but I failed massivly and TBH opengl es handles all that better then compiz
[14:38] <penguin42> bobweaver: OK, that NumberAnimation is neat, very simple
[14:38] <bobweaver> Yeah check out transtions and squntial animations
[14:38] <bobweaver> that is where it is at in QML
[14:39] <bobweaver> because you can say     sqential animation{ NumberAnimations {run me 1st} number animation{run me right after 1}
[14:39] <penguin42> bobweaver: It can get a bit mad, when it first landed I think *everything* was animating everywhere which was a bit OTT
[14:40] <bobweaver> and you can stack as many sequntial animations that you like on top of each other also
[14:41] <bobweaver> or put javascript loops in them
[14:41] <bobweaver> the most powerful thing that qml has I think is XMLListModel element
[14:42] <bobweaver> that right there is just about the coolest thing in the world to get data live and fast
[14:43] <bobweaver> I can gather fan art faster online and cached then I can using mysql on my own computer
[14:43] <bobweaver> got to love sqllight
[14:43] <bobweaver> also and how it is intergrated
[14:43] <bobweaver> maybe I should dev for kde
[14:43] <bobweaver> and not unity
[14:43] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Develop for xfce:)
[14:44] <bobweaver> as I was a unity 2d dev
[14:44] <Walther> I'd love to get optimizing as a focus for one release
[14:44] <penguin42> bobweaver: Ah, commiserations on the demise of that
[14:44] <Walther> as in, not really much new features but try to optimize the power consumption, responsiveness, etc
[14:45] <bobweaver> smartboyhw,  no thanks :)
[14:45] <bobweaver> that is what I will do today
[14:45] <penguin42> bobweaver: Well the KDE guys seem friendly enough; I've only got one or two pieces of code into it - for one or two things that really bugged me
[14:45] <bobweaver> I will build kde in qt-creator and see what I can come up with
[14:46] <bobweaver> penguin42,  I am so frustrated with NUX atm that I could puke
[14:46] <penguin42> bobweaver: I'm not really a GUI dev - I'm much happier at the lower levels; I never looked at NUX though at all
[14:47] <bobweaver> It is crazy
[14:47] <Walther> Hm. powertop reports Audio coded hwC0D3: Nvidia and Audio codec hwC0D0: Realtek as 100%
[14:49] <smartboyhw> I am stupid in coding. bobweaver: That means you dislike unity-3d?
[14:52] <Walther> powertop reports a discharge rate of 22.6W
[14:52] <Walther> how is this possible o.O
[14:52] <Walther> I used to get way over 4h on this laptop, now 2:30 tops
[14:52] <Walther> that's some serious regressions right here :/
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> Walther: do you have hybrid graphics?
[14:54] <Walther> Nvidia ION LE
[14:54] <Walther> shouldn't be
[14:54] <Walther> walther@espresso:~$ lspci |grep VGA
[14:54] <Walther> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation ION LE VGA (rev b1)
[14:55] <Walther> also, as this is on quantal, the nvidia isn't even in use
[14:55] <Walther> as the driver is not there
[14:55] <Walther> not installed, not installable
[14:56] <Walther> but yeah, 22W when only having powertop and irssi open
[14:56] <Walther> dimming the screen backlight to minimum drops 3W
[15:20] <BluesKaj> penguin42:  sorry I was called away for a while , yes my lightdm output is the same as yors
[15:49] <peterrus> Hi, recently a patch for the asus-wmi module was integrated into the upstream kernel, and later in Quantal (a week ago plusminus) This patched module renders my system unable to boot. Where should I report this?
[16:01] <penguin42> peterrus: Run ubuntu-bug linux on the Quantal system running the older kernel, put all the details of the patch and which kernel version fails in the bug report
[16:02] <peterrus> penguin42, that would be the linux-module package right?
[16:03] <penguin42> peterrus: That's all/most kernel stuff - so just ubuntu-bug linux     should take care of it
[16:03] <peterrus> excellent
[16:03] <peterrus> This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again.
[16:03] <peterrus> right XD
[16:04] <peterrus> I am pretty sure it is
[16:04] <Daekdroom> Is it still in the repos?
[16:04] <peterrus> Daekdroom, how would I check?
[16:05] <bobweaver> what is under /usr/local that is causing that to happen ?
[16:05] <peterrus> the bug would be in linux-image-3.5.0-11-generic
[16:05] <bobweaver> apt-cache policy <name of package >
[16:06] <bobweaver> where is it comming from li,e Daekdroom
[16:06] <bobweaver> like * Daekdroom  said
[16:06] <Daekdroom> Well -11 is the current kernel version, apparently.
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> peterrus: if its a later version from a PPA than on the repos, it's not
[16:06] <peterrus> linux-image-3.5.0-11-generic:
[16:06] <peterrus>   Installed: 3.5.0-11.11
[16:06] <peterrus>   Candidate: 3.5.0-11.11
[16:06] <peterrus>   Version table:
[16:06] <peterrus>  *** 3.5.0-11.11 0
[16:06] <peterrus>         500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/main amd64 Packages
[16:06] <peterrus>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> hmm, weird
[16:07] <peterrus> let me ubuntu-bug that
[16:07] <peterrus> Package linux-image-3.5.0-11-generic: does not exist
[16:07] <peterrus> hm
[16:07] <Daekdroom> ubuntu-bug linux should work
[16:08] <peterrus> oh wait
[16:08] <peterrus> got a colon there
[16:08] <peterrus> ubuntu-bug  linux-image-3.5.0-11-generic
[16:08] <peterrus> works
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> peterrus: ;)
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> peterrus: use TAB to complete package names
[16:08] <peterrus> i see
[16:08] <peterrus> :)
[16:16] <bobweaver> penguin42,  You where right this is great I am going to intergrate kubuntu netbook to be a background app that is running this is going to be awesome ! http://imagebin.org/225930
[16:16] <peterrus> in case someone has the same problem (Asus Zenbook UX32V and the likes not booting after a recent Quantal update regarding the Function hotkeys) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1041883
[16:17] <bobweaver> meaning instead of having Desktop picture's it will be kde netbook
[16:18] <penguin42> peterrus: Do you have any diagnostics of when it crashes - does it give a backtrace or anything?
[16:18] <bobweaver> what's dmesg say ?
[16:19] <penguin42> bobweaver: His problem is it doesn't boot with the bad kernel
[16:20] <bobweaver> Ouch I thought that wmi mods where for the extrenal wireless switch(could be wrong) have you tryed to turn it off
[16:24] <penguin42> peterrus: I've marked it as regression-release (which I think is appropriate reading one of the tags page, although it's a bit difficult to figure out), I also subscribed Alex Hung who wrote the patch to the bug
[16:29] <yofel> regression-release is for everything that's in the primary archive (not -proposed etc.), just make sure the right release tag is there too
[16:38] <penguin42> yofel: You mean that it's got the 'quantal' tag?
[16:52] <peterrus> penguin42, I also subscribed alex and some others from the gmane mailinglist
[16:53] <peterrus> penguin42, I suppose those logs are enough?
[16:53] <penguin42> peterrus: When it hangs with the newer kernel how far does it get?
[16:54] <peterrus> penguin42, I'll have to boot to that kernel, once it hangs, i will reboot, what then?
[16:55] <penguin42> peterrus: Well, do you get any diagnostics when it hangs? Is there any log of that hang?
[16:55] <peterrus> penguin42, yes
[16:55] <peterrus> but I dont see anything in the updated logs
[16:56] <penguin42> peterrus: so where are they - just on the screen?
[16:56] <peterrus> what boot parameters do you suggest to make sure no splash is shown
[16:56] <peterrus> penguin42, yes, but I have booted the system maybe six more times in the meanwhile
[16:56] <peterrus> with the -10 kernel
[16:56] <peterrus> which works
[16:56] <peterrus> so the logs might be burried somewhere
[16:57] <penguin42> peterrus: hmm you say it doesn't fail in recovery mode, that makes life harder!  You could try booting without the splash and quiet parameters and see if you get an oops or the like on the console
[16:58] <peterrus> penguin42, and this gets logged in dmesg?
[16:58] <peterrus> even after reboot?
[16:58] <penguin42> peterrus: Depends how bad it hangs
[16:58] <peterrus> ok
[16:58] <peterrus> lets try, I can always take a picture
[16:58] <penguin42> peterrus: dmesg is only current boot, but other logs have old messages - but if it hangs before it makes it to the disk then you don't get it stored
[16:58] <peterrus> lets try this, I have an irc shell so I wont disconnect ;)
[17:01] <penguin42> bb in about 30min; cd kitchen; make pudding
[17:02] <yofel> penguin42: right
[17:07] <peterrus> penguin42, nothing is logged to disk, I did make a picture though
[17:07] <peterrus> uploading...
[17:14] <peterrus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1041883
[17:28] <peterrus> wow the unity overlay menu's are really slow right now
[17:30] <peterrus> hmm rather compiz in its entirity
[17:30] <peterrus> entirety*
[17:30] <peterrus> whatever
[17:36]  * penguin42 waits for his pudding to bake
[17:37] <penguin42> peterrus: OK, well I'm guessing that's as much debug you can get at that point, the only thing to do is to wait for the guy who wrote the patch or knows about it to suggest something
[17:38] <peterrus> you bake a pudding 0_0?
[17:39] <peterrus> ah well never made a pudding myself, so I cant tell
[17:39] <penguin42> peterrus: Hey you're missing out!
[17:40] <penguin42> peterrus: I notice in your logs CPU0: Package power limit notification (total events = 5814) then a Package power limit normal; that's pretty close together so that might just be it getting hot and then the fans coming on - but I don't think it should get to that level
[17:48] <peterrus> penguin42, I suppose, I have these in my logs for ages ;)
[17:49] <penguin42> peterrus: May need your fan cleaning out
[17:49] <peterrus> penguin42, its a brand new laptop
[17:49] <peterrus> so ages might not be the correct word to use ;)
[17:49] <penguin42> peterrus: OK, could be a symptom of more just broken ACPI stuff then
[17:50] <peterrus> penguin42, probably, it's an IvyBridge CPU
[17:50] <peterrus> so pretty new
[17:50] <penguin42> nice
[17:50] <peterrus> I am happy ubuntu is already running so well
[17:50] <peterrus> when I just got it I spent every evening I had trying so get everything working xd
[17:50] <peterrus> s/so/to
[17:56] <penguin42> peterrus: (It's an Eve's pudding http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/evespudding_83911 recpie - although I make it about half that size)
[17:57] <peterrus> looks good!
[17:57] <peterrus> I think its more of a cake though
[17:58] <penguin42> peterrus: It's sponge cake on top of apple; all baked together
[18:12] <ironhalik> Guys
[18:12] <ironhalik> update-notifier : Depends: update-notifier-common (= 0.121ubuntu1) but 0.120ubuntu2 is installed
[18:12] <ironhalik> any ideas? :>
[18:14] <ironhalik> Its caused, probably, by trying to install flashplugin-installer
[18:14] <ironhalik> now I cant remove it
[18:19] <jtaylor> ydoes a dist-upgrade work?
[18:19] <ironhalik> nope, same error
[18:19] <ActionParsnip> ironhalik: are there any bugs reported?
[18:20] <jtaylor> its not a bug, just a screwed up upgrade
[18:20] <jtaylor> 120ubuntu2 crashes when installing flash and you end up with a state you have to repair manualy
[18:20] <ironhalik> I think its something with the repos
[18:20] <ironhalik> or maybe that :>
[18:20] <jtaylor> download the new update-notifier packages from launchpad and install them manually with dpkg
[18:20] <jtaylor> then do apt-get install -f
[18:21] <ironhalik> k, ill try
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> ironhalik: if you remove update-notifier and update-notifier-common (assuming it doesn't start gutting your OS), you could then reinstall it
[18:21] <jtaylor> removing that is a bad idea
[18:21] <ironhalik> well, ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[18:21] <ActionParsnip> ironhalik: if it starts listing loads of key packages then abort the removal
[18:22] <ironhalik> hmm, sec
[18:22] <ironhalik> ok, installed update-notifier-common from launchpad and flashplayer is now installing
[18:22] <ironhalik> should work ok from here, thanks
[18:24] <ironhalik> ok - everything seems to work nively now, thanks again
[21:59] <ActionParsnip> does anyone find when you click the dekstop the wallpaper goes black
[23:28] <Daemonik> Is there a plug-in for apt to ask the local network (via multicast DNS)  for package updates?
[23:31]  * penguin42 doesn't know of one, it can use an http proxy - can you find that via multicast DNS?
[23:32] <penguin42> ah
[23:32] <penguin42> Daemonik: squid-deb-proxy-client ?
[23:32] <Daemonik> penguin42, Perhaps a local daemon could ask the network with multicast-dns and present results to apt via a local http proxy? Seems a bit clunky though.
[23:34] <penguin42> Daemonik: Yeh look at the description of squid-deb-proxy-client - looks like what you want?
[23:36] <Daemonik> penguin42, It's not what I want, though, it's a means to the end of what I want. The use case I have in mind is for Ubuntu machines to opportunistically share updates with one another. Suppose that I do an apt-get dist-upgrade over a fast fiber line, I'd like my machine to offer the DEBs I retrieved to my friend's laptop (suppose I drove out to the middle of nowhere) when his laptop is on the same network as mine.
[23:36] <penguin42> Daemonik: Yeh
[23:37] <Daemonik> This would not only ease the burden on Ubuntu mirrors (not that I think they're over-burdened) but would greatly help mesh-networked environments.
[23:37] <penguin42> Daemonik: You'd want to think the security through for that - ok, so the packages should be signed ok...
[23:38] <Daemonik> penguin42, I expected there would not be a need to mention it but I'm glad you brought that up. Ubuntu packages and APT metadata is already signed. We already pull packages over a hostile untrusted network (the internet).
[23:38] <penguin42> Daemonik: How about debtorrent?
[23:38] <Daemonik> penguin42, One sec while I have a look at that.
[23:39] <Daemonik> debtorrent looks very interesting - it may be useful for projects like LibreOffice. I was disappointed to be unable to find a "latest stable" LibreOffice PPA =\
[23:40] <penguin42> Daemonik: The size and time to build don't help
[23:44] <Daekdroom> Daemonik, Delta packages would also ease the burden on the mirrors.
[23:44] <penguin42> debian runs deltas don't they - but not Ubuntu?
[23:44] <Daekdroom> I didn't know Debian did that.
[23:46] <penguin42> Daekdroom: http://debdelta.debian.net/
[23:47] <Daekdroom> penguin42, is it used by default?
[23:47] <Daemonik> penguin42, I wouldn't mind dedicating the computing resources needed to build LibreOffice quickly. What irks me is that LibreOffice offers packages instead of a repository. If I install Ubuntu for a helpless end-user I want them to have the latest stable copy of LibreOffice, any package maintenance after I hand them the computer doesn't go beyond clicking "install updates".
[23:48] <penguin42> Daemonik: Note that probably is a heck of a lot of computing resource depending on your definition of quickly
[23:48] <Daemonik> Surprisingly, Google and Adobe get this process right. Their DEBs and RPMs install repos that get queried with every yum or apt update. It'd be nice if the package managers enforced security policies for software coming from specific repos, but that's another subject all-together.
[23:49] <penguin42> Daemonik: You mean like 'this repo can only supply these files' ?
[23:49] <Daemonik> penguin42, I have access to a good handful of under-utilized boxes between 32gb and 64gb of RAM each with two of the later six-core Intel CPUs, those would be adequate no?
[23:50] <penguin42> Daemonik: Yeh those would do OK I think; I'm not sure what current LO build time is - I wouldn't be too surprised if it took one of those maybe an hour?
[23:52] <Daemonik> penguin42, The mandate(to re-iterate what you just said) "this repo may only supply files to these directories", along with "software from this repo is subject to these iptables rules", and "software from this repo may ONLY access specific directories ($HOME/.adobeflash for example)", and such. Adobe may not abuse their repo to get root access to my box or patch my kernel with a rootkit, but Sony or Oracle totally would. :-P
[23:52] <penguin42> Daemonik: But yes, I agree about security policies, I was wondering about restrictions when you add keys to apt to say that the key is only for use on a particular repo, because I think if I add a key then over an evil network if they could sign with that key they could substitute any package