[00:04] <rharper> ecksit: I think if you create a user entry without a sudo: value in the dictionary, you won't get an entry for that user;  the sudoers file from cloud-init will get generated if the default user for your cloud-init has the sudo's group enabled, which it is in Ubuntu
[00:05] <rharper> it's also possible we've a bug, so could be worth filing an issue with an example of the user config you're using and what's happening, vs. what you expect
[00:10] <ecksit> you're right about neglecting the `sudo: value` bit but i was after an explicit way of saying that the user shouldn't have sudo instead.
[00:10] <ecksit> just in case `cloud-init` decides in the future to change the default
[00:14] <rharper> ecksit: we'd certainly consider it a bug to change the meaning of the sudo key in the user dictionary
[00:14] <rharper> but it's also reasonable to file a bug and request to allow sudo: false to be acceptable as a way to disable sudo entry for that user
[00:15] <ecksit> sure, where is the best place to lodge that? on launchpad?
[00:15] <rharper> yeah
[00:15] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug
[00:16] <ecksit> thanks, will take this there!
[00:41] <ecksit> lodged at https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1771468 if anyone is following along at hme
[00:45] <rharper> ecksit: thanks!
[00:46] <ecksit> my python is weak but i can attach a patch if that will get more eyes on it
[01:26] <blackboxsw> patches always welcome ecksit, we can help shepherd it in if there's an issue
[01:26] <blackboxsw> it'll definitely drive that feature faster if there is a patch proposed for it
[01:27] <ecksit> alright - i'll take a pass at it and see what i can do
[16:39] <blackboxsw> smoser: did you already push cloud-init 18.2.41 to cosmic?
[16:40] <blackboxsw> I'm guessing yes. rmadison thinks so L(
[16:40] <blackboxsw> I'm guessing yes. rmadison thinks so :) rather
[16:40] <blackboxsw> right that was last week Friday. ok
[17:19] <smoser> blackboxsw: i did do an upload to cosmic last week, yes,.
[18:50] <robjo> smoser: do we have a location for the summit? I'd like to find a hotel that's not too far away
[18:50] <smoser> robjo: we do. i didnt make that public, you'll get an invitaton sometime in the next couple weeks.
[18:51] <dpb1> smoser, robjo: I'm not sure we have a site nailed down yet.
[18:51] <dpb1> I mean, we know a company, but not a building.
[18:52] <robjo> OK thanks
[19:23] <smoser> robjo: i have nose running in an opensuse 42.3 container
[19:24] <smoser> the chef tets were all i had to fix (http and ssl related)
[19:26] <robjo> great, I will try and take a closer look at the failure I am seeing with test_apt_v3_mirror_search_dns
[19:44] <smoser> robjo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1771659
[20:32] <smoser> powersj: you've probalby been over this, and i missed it.
[20:32] <smoser> "jenkins is going to shut down" ?
[20:32] <smoser> its not runnign tests now i dont think
[20:32] <powersj> yeah I put in an RT about it
[20:32] <powersj> waiting for IS
[20:45] <smoser> blackboxsw: https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/345630 is ready for review.
[21:07] <powersj> smoser: jenkins is up
[21:11] <smoser> powersj: htanks. i suspect run-container should work now.
[21:13] <smoser> its running https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/1131/


[14:50] <inahd> heyy guys, my system seems to be having some trouble. jack connections isn't showing system playback
[14:52] <inahd> i have selected this ice1712 as my output, for both system sound and jack
[14:52] <inahd> seems like that worked before
[16:25] <holstein> inahd: try another card.. you can always test with the live CD as well
[19:40] <inahd> it seems like no matter what i set as output for jack, i never get a system playback option in the alsa tab...
[19:40] <inahd> this seems very spontaneous,,, although i did install new software
[19:42] <holstein> inahd: i would try a few things.. a live CD to remove your current config
[19:42] <holstein> inahd: i would try as a different user
[19:43] <holstein> i would remove physical devices.. disable internal cards in the bios
[19:43] <holstein> try and just have the one device that you want to use
[19:43] <holstein> i assure you that JACK works.. i use it.. and if you want to try using ubuntu, it might work for you
[19:44] <holstein> that is part of the ubuntu magic is, that it tends to "just work".. and have recent/current hardware support
[19:44] <holstein> it literally wont hurt anything to try an ubuntustudio 13.04 live CD on the hardware
[21:01] <inahd> it was working fine and i don't know what happened
[22:11] <holstein> inahd: try the live CD, friend.. for the distro you are using.. then, you can assume its your config or an upgrade that is "what happened"


[00:05] <john_rambo> do I need to uninstall the current NVIDIA driver before installing the .run downloaded from their site ?
[00:32] <KM0201> anybody around?
[00:33] <stlsaint> KM0201: oi
[00:33] <KM0201> having sound issues (had to buy a new laptop)
[00:34] <KM0201> hang on, getting the device
[00:34] <KM0201> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[00:34] <KM0201> google doesn't turn up much
[00:38] <stlsaint> KM0201: have you turned up alsa?
[00:39] <KM0201> stlsaint: turned up alsa? it's maxed out
[00:40] <stlsaint> KM0201: open a terminal and type in: alsamixer
[00:40] <KM0201> i know that
[00:40] <KM0201> its maxed out
[00:41] <stlsaint> KM0201: can you view your sound preferences?
[00:41] <KM0201> under alsamixer?
[00:41] <KM0201> or w/ pavucontrol?
[00:42] <KM0201> cuz pavucontrol says "connection failed, connection refused"
[00:43] <stlsaint> can you select a sound device in alsa?
[00:43] <KM0201> no
[00:44] <KM0201> i only have 1 device
[00:44] <KM0201> hm... just on a whim... "pulse audio is not installed".. ?
[00:44] <KM0201> i'm thinking that could be a problem.
[00:44] <KM0201> lol
[00:44] <KM0201> installing now
[00:44] <KM0201> brb,
[01:02] <KM0201> ok, sound is working now, just not passing through to my headphones
[01:04] <KM0201> stlsaint: u still around?
[01:07] <phillw> KM0201: (01:43:58) stlsaint: later
[01:07] <KM0201> oh, sorry
[01:07] <KM0201> myst have been gone for that one
[01:08] <KM0201> phillw: any ideas?
[01:08] <phillw> he may have hit the bed!
[01:08] <KM0201> yeah.
[01:09] <KM0201> phillw: ok, well, if Unit193 or bioterror gets bored, ask them to take a look at my prob, i gotta leave for about 5min
[01:09] <phillw> KM0201: you, I would advise the main forum area for the section that deals with it?
[01:09] <KM0201> brb
[01:09] <KM0201> huh?
[01:09] <KM0201> what main forum area?
[01:12] <phillw> KM0201: have a read of the areas on http://ubuntuforums.org/ but for sound..... http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 would be my place to head :)
[01:12] <phillw> The stickies there are pretty darn good :)
[01:21] <KM0201> hmm
[01:53] <KM0201> man, i've not had sound probs like this in a long time
[01:53] <KM0201> i can't even find any references to my device
[02:04] <phillw> KM0201: I have not had problems with sound from my 9.04 - so I am not the best to help.
[02:04] <KM0201> yeah, i went through alsaconf(i had to do that on my other acer, but hadn't had to since like 8.10)
[02:04] <KM0201> and my device isn't listed anywhere in that file
[02:06] <phillw> KM0201: is it Lubuntu or generic problem?
[02:10] <KM0201> phillw: not sure, i've not tried it w/ Ubuntu
[02:10] <KM0201> i suspect its a generic problem
[02:10] <KM0201> i just tested my mic w/ skype, works great
[02:11] <KM0201> brb
[02:39] <KM0201> phillw: where can i download lubuntu 11.10
[02:50] <KM0201> Unit193: ?
[02:57] <Unit193> KM0201: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-oneiric-alpha1.iso
[02:58] <Unit193> KM0201: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
[02:58] <KM0201> tx
[02:59] <KM0201> this sound thing is driving me nanners Unit193
[02:59] <KM0201> any idas?
[02:59] <Unit193> As always, this development release is NOT suitable for production machines!
[02:59] <KM0201> yeah, yeah.
[02:59] <KM0201> lol
[03:00] <Unit193> And A2 should be out soon
[03:00] <Unit193> "Sound thing" doesn't exactly help
[03:00] <KM0201> oh, i thought maybe you scrolled up
[03:00] <KM0201> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[03:01] <KM0201> mic works, sound (when headphones not plugged in) works, sound does not pass through to headphones
[03:02] <KM0201> Unit193: http://pastebin.com/CrNW2mq5   there's another output thta may help
[03:03] <KM0201> i can't find any reference at all to either of those
[03:06] <Unit193> I haven't really had too many sound issues. I also need to go as there will be an early day tomorrow
[03:07] <KM0201> ah ok
[03:07] <KM0201> best wishes
[03:36]  * phillw can any one please take notice of the topic?
[03:36]  * phillw we do try!!!!!
[03:38] <Unit193> Forget sleep. The get Lubuntu link didn't seem to have a link for 11.10 (It's going to be in  plain sight)
[03:39] <KM0201> phillw: hmm, it's kinda hidden up there
[03:39] <KM0201> lol
[03:39] <Unit193>  /topic will show you and you get it on join
[03:40] <KM0201> yeah.
[03:40] <KM0201> Unit193: u think downloading the 64bit vversion of Lubuntu, would alleviate my problem?
[03:40] <Unit193> KM0201: On the sound. Did you happen to open alsamixer and see a headphone level?
[03:41] <phillw> KM0201: that has all our list.
[03:41] <KM0201> Unit193: yeah, did that a while ago, it's at 100.
[03:41] <Unit193> And it's on 00 ?
[03:42] <Unit193> phillw: 11.10 was on there (I did see it at the bottom, but didn't happen to see the download link)
[03:42] <Unit193> +?
[03:42] <KM0201> Unit193: yes, 00/100  it's maxed out
[03:43] <KM0201> just for grins, i tried fedora 15, no sound there either
[03:43] <Unit193> And you are sure it works?
[03:43] <KM0201> yes
[03:43] <KM0201> positive
[03:43] <KM0201> if i use headphones under 7, it works fine
[03:44] <KM0201> if i unplug my headphones, sound works fine
[03:44] <Unit193> I don't really do sound as it always seems to work for me (But older than dirt hardware)
[03:45] <KM0201> yeah
[03:45] <KM0201> i had a few minor issues w/ sound and ... i think 8.10 (maybe earlier)
[05:26] <cg2916> Does Lubuntu 11.10 have any major bugs?
[07:29] <erolfr> hello,stupid question:i've installed lubuntu first time,On the Installation i've given my Name "Erik Fröhlich" and Password.Now i can't login,Who is my failure,Wich "User" should i use root and ubuntu don't work
[07:29] <erolfr> Erik or Erik Fröhlich don't, too
[12:11] <drbongo> Hi is it possible to make a single click launch desktop icons?
[12:11] <drbongo> I am also unable to change the double click delay
[12:12] <drbongo> is there anyone out there?
[15:52] <AmberJ> Hello
[15:52] <AmberJ> I think I bumped into a bug on lubuntu 11.04
[15:53] <AmberJ> When I try to open a folder on my DVD drive device, pcmanfm closes (right now there's a VCD in drive)
[15:53] <AmberJ> VCD = Vide CD
[15:53] <AmberJ> *Video
[15:54] <AmberJ> I tried starting pcmanfm from terminal but it drops me back to console prompt after starting pcmanfm....so, I can't get anything on terminal
[16:06] <Byan> so yeah.. installer freezes with new netbook
[16:07] <Byan> and so does "try lubuntu without installing"
[16:07] <Byan> gonna try regular ubuntu now
[16:11] <AmberJ> Byan, Which netbook?
[16:11] <Byan> acer ao722 I think
[16:11] <AmberJ> And, when does it freeze (do you get any messages on console)?
[16:11] <Byan> http://www.amazon.com/Acer-AO722-BZ454-11-6-Inch-Netbook-Espresso/dp/B004UR16ES
[16:12] <Byan> some messages that look like ext4 driver complaining, but thats it
[16:12] <stlsaint> theres a driver for a filesystem?
[16:13] <Byan> it will either freeze when I hit next or it'll freeze at terminal if I do try lubuntu
[16:13] <Byan> seems to hardlock, can't get to tty
[16:13] <Byan> stlsaint: yes..
[16:14] <AmberJ> ah that's bad
[16:17] <stlsaint> Byan: aye, we are not thinking in the same context here...nevermind
[16:31] <Byan> ubuntu hard locks too..
[16:31] <Byan> windows may not even be working..
[16:31] <Byan> this might just be a hardware fail
[16:36] <Byan> nope.. windows works ok
[16:36] <Byan> *sad*
[17:09] <KM0201> \o/oot   got my sound working on my new laptop.
[17:10] <Unit193> What did you do"?
[17:11] <KM0201> um.. find the link
[17:11] <KM0201> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-switch-to-alsa-or-oss-instead-of.html
[17:12] <KM0201> strange thing, i used the part under "Update".... and in the window, my options, are still set to Pulse Audio, but obviously something changed, because my sound is flawless
[17:14] <KM0201> one other strange thing...
[17:14] <KM0201> if I boot 7, and reboot back to Lubuntu, my sound does not work (same behavior as before)..
[17:15] <KM0201> if i shut down from WIndows, then power back on to Lubuntu, sound works fine.
[17:15] <KM0201> restarting Lubuntu and going back to Lubuntu, causes no issue.
[17:23] <Byan> hm
[17:36] <Byan> crunchbang works.. but is obviously missing drivers
[17:37] <KM0201> Byan: so switch to Lubuntu... it's awesome
[17:39] <Byan> lubuntu hard locks on me during installation
[17:40] <KM0201> hm.. whats your hardware?
[17:40] <Byan> I would be willing to wager that the fact that crunchbang is missing the drivers is the reason it's working
[17:40] <Byan> ao 722
[17:40] <Byan> acer ao722
[17:40] <KM0201> hmmm
[17:41] <KM0201> is the live cd booting at all?
[17:41] <Byan> it gets to the wizard and freezes when I hit next
[17:41] <KM0201> cuz just looking at the specs, it has the juice to run Lubuntu quite easily (1ghz, 2gig of ram, 250gig hard drive, radeon 6250)
[17:41] <KM0201> i wonder if the radeon is causing you probs
[17:42] <Byan> 12:13 < Byan> it will either freeze when I hit next or it'll freeze at terminal  if I do try lubuntu
[17:42] <Byan> 12:13 < Byan> seems to hardlock, can't get to tty
[17:42] <Byan> yeah, likely
[17:42] <Byan> thats what I was just saying =p
[17:42] <KM0201> hmm, and i'm not sure how to run the alternate install from USB
[17:43] <Byan> err, the same way you run the live cd?
[17:43] <Byan> is there a way I could disable the ati drivers?
[17:44] <Byan> on the live cd
[17:44] <KM0201> no, because the Alt. CD, specifically looks for files on the CD, which isn't a USB>
[17:44] <Byan> really? hmm
[17:44] <KM0201> yes
[17:44] <KM0201> during the install it will try to access /dev/cdrom
[17:44] <Byan> thats silly of it
[17:44] <KM0201> there's a way to use the alt. cd from the usb.... but i'm not sure how.
[17:45] <Byan> you sure it explicitly does that.. cause I seem to remember people netbooting to alt install
[17:45] <Unit193> Doesn't matter as 11.04 doesn't HAVE an alt cd
[17:46] <Unit193> Try a mini install and add lubuntu-desktop on it (should run with --no-install-recommends)
[17:46] <KM0201> well, this is true..
[17:46] <KM0201> doesn't the mini iso though, install a bunch of gnome crap as well though
[17:46] <Byan> http://lug.mtu.edu/iso/ubuntu/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[17:46] <Unit193> As I said, run   sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[17:46] <Byan> so lubuntu deosn't have an alternate?
[17:47] <KM0201>  Byan thats ubuntu, not lubuntu
[17:47] <Byan> just confirming
[17:47] <KM0201> Byan: have youc onsidered trying to install Lubuntu 32bit?
[17:47] <KM0201> oh wait, you probably have.
[17:47] <Byan> I think thats what I was using
[17:47] <Byan> I wonder if 64bit would work..
[17:48] <Unit193> Byan: It doesn't have one, check the /topic
[17:48] <KM0201> 64bit, as of now, is a community port isn't it?... and frankly, if 32bit doesn't work, it's very unlikely 64bit will.
[17:48] <KM0201> i agree w/ Unit193 mini iso, then install lubuntu-desktop no-recommends
[17:49] <KM0201> Byan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[17:49] <Byan> hmmm
[17:49] <Byan> minimal works fine from usb, correct?
[17:50] <KM0201> Byan: i have no idea
[17:50] <Byan> I am going to try crunchbang first I think.
[17:50] <KM0201> of course the other option, is to just do an Ubuntu server install, then stick lxde on topp of it
[17:50] <KM0201> Byan: do you have linux experience?... if you doon't... crunchbang/debian is gonna likely be a difficult journey
[17:50] <Byan> I do
[17:51] <Unit193> Byan: It does work with USB. Might as well try #!
[17:51] <Byan> I've used crunchbang in the past
[17:51] <hosoka> hello all
[17:52] <KM0201> oh ok.
[17:52] <Byan> now.. need a name for this machine..
[17:53] <Unit193> Byan: This will go for that too http://xkcd.com/910/
[17:53] <Unit193> hosoka: Howdy
[17:55] <hosoka> I was not able to find a good support for silverlight on Chromium browser. is there any solution ?
[17:55] <Byan> I wish something would remind me to try to think of a name in my idle time before I do this
[17:55] <Unit193> hosoka: What are you looking to do with it? There is moonlight, but you can't use it with Netflix
[17:55] <Byan> on the other hand.. being able to look at the machine while naming it might be important
[17:55] <hosoka> I am using the stable version 12.0.742.112 (90304) Ubuntu 11.04 on Chromium
[17:56] <hosoka> Unit193: do I need to install Netflix also ?
[17:56] <Byan> netflix does not work with linux. End Of Story.
[17:56] <Unit193> hosoka: You don't "install" Netflix
[17:56] <Unit193> ^^^ Exactly
[17:58] <hosoka> as i already installed silverlight but still seeing Mplayer doing just nothing.
[17:59] <hosoka> even if I am using the latest Firefox this silverlight won't work.
[17:59] <Unit193> If you installed silverlight, you did it in wine and that won't interact with anything outside of wine
[17:59] <KM0201> yup.
[18:00] <hosoka> no, installing silverlight will return to the moonlight section which I used.
[18:00] <hosoka> i do not use wine.
[18:00] <KM0201> ..
[18:00] <hosoka> should it not work by default this moonlight with either Chromium or Firefox ?
[18:01] <Unit193> Ok, you installed moonlight? Install moonlight-plugin-chromium also
[18:04] <Unit193> Or moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[18:15] <hosoka> this is the outcome. I am using the website www.uitzendingengemist.nl and there standard it is using silverlight / moonlight. With this the plugin got stuck and then I could use flash and the loading went with any problems. Might be that the plugin of moonlight is getting difficulties.
[18:15] <Byan> somehow I fucked up my windows install
[18:15] <Byan> maybe this thing is cursed and should be returned..
[18:15] <bioterror> !language | Byan
[18:15] <Byan> oh, sorry
[18:17] <Byan> anyone know how to use the recovery partition on an acer by chance?
[18:18] <bioterror> press F11 or something like that
[18:19] <bioterror> and oh well, I got CD with my Acer ;)
[18:19] <bioterror> I've used it as a bookmark when reading bedtime stories
[18:20] <Byan> I got a CD too.. but I don't have a USB cd-rom drive
[18:21] <KM0201> Byan: i think you just hit F11, boot the recover, and let it do its thing
[18:22] <KM0201> how did you screw up your windows partition.. and if you did, are you sure you didn't also screw up your recovery partition?
[18:22] <Byan> I have no idea, and I'm not sure
[18:22] <bioterror> one os per computer, one love ;)
[18:23] <KM0201> bioterror: i got a new laptop yesterday, and i'm seriously debating nuking 7.. it's awful.
[18:23] <KM0201> then i'll put XP in vbox, so i can sync my zune
[18:23] <Byan> there is no open source zune stuff?
[18:24] <KM0201> lol, did you say that w/o laughing?
[18:24] <KM0201> the zune is the only thing microsoft has completely, 100%, secured against hackers
[18:28] <Byan> really hmm
[18:28] <Byan> is it a new zune?
[18:29] <KM0201> no
[18:29] <KM0201> zunes are just extremely difficult to crack, there's been lots of tries
[18:31] <bioterror> no rockbox for zune :D
[18:31] <Byan> good to know..
[18:31] <KM0201> negative (at least to my knowledge)
[18:31] <Byan> never buying a zune
[18:31] <Byan> ipod 5g's are better sounding anyway
[18:32] <KM0201> Byan: they are actually nice players, zune marketplace sucks (kinda like itunes).. i used to sync it w/ a very small xp partition, but it might be time to do it w/ a virtual install.
[18:33] <Byan> do you know what kind of dac they have?
[18:35] <Byan> looks like zune 30 actually has a nice DAC
[18:35] <Byan> hmm
[18:35] <KM0201> i dunno
[18:36] <KM0201> i have an 80gig
[18:36] <KM0201> it's an older one, but i love it
[18:39] <head_victim> I have an iRiver s100. Best money spent ever.
[18:39] <head_victim> Drag and drop music, DAB radio, expandable with micro sd cards.
[18:41] <KM0201> head_victim: i almost bought one of those
[18:42] <head_victim> I was mainly looking for a portable dab radio and its by far the best of those - full colour display when most others have simple text.
[20:50] <Byan> well, son of a bitch, crunchbang won't install
[20:50] <Byan> back to lubuntu-minimal I suppose..
[20:51] <KM0201> hmm
[20:52] <KM0201> whats the prob w/ crunchbang?
[20:52] <Unit193> Byan: That stinks. Do you still have a link for the mini install?  You can easily use the mini.iso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[21:36] <Byan> I am using mini.iso
[21:36] <Byan> it's taking forever to download everything..
[21:38] <Byan> I wonder if I can use the alternate iso from ubuntu...
[22:07] <phillw> Byan: there is an alternate for 10.10 that may be of help. I do not hold the mini-iso's on my server as they can be updated and I would be out of synch with them :/
[22:07] <Byan> is there a way to use ubuntu's alternate for 11.04 and remove ubuntu-desktop from it?
[22:08] <phillw> yes :)
[22:09] <Byan> any hints?
[22:09] <Byan> I feel like there used to be a way to change the packages right in the installer
[22:09] <phillw> it is discussed at http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde although we do recommend a slightly different command to keep back undeeded stuff... give me a moment to dig out the link
[22:11] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
[22:11] <phillw> found it :D
[22:11] <Byan> thats not what I had in mind, but that'll work..
[22:13] <phillw> I think you are minded to the use of tasksel, that is not yet available for Lubuntu as we are not yet 'official'.
[22:14] <phillw> tasksel can install different flavours (along with a whole host of other jobs). One problem being that it has been dropped as a default part of the core :/
[22:14] <Byan> when will we be official?
[22:14] <phillw> 11.10 is the due date for us :)
[22:18] <Byan> anyway
[22:18] <Byan> I have a feeling this won't work anyway
[22:18] <Byan> I think that maybe my MBR is locked..
[22:18] <phillw> At that point, we will also be added to the options for Wubi although you can manually choose a downloaded iso already.
[22:20] <phillw> that is something I am not familiar with, if you ask on #ubuntu-begginers someone there may be better placed to help you.
[22:21] <phillw> Bbeginners*
[22:21] <phillw> FFS
[22:21] <phillw> beginners
[22:32] <Kurdistan> bioterror: are you awake?
[22:36] <Byan> phillw: I chose manual selection of packages and I seem to have something of an ubuntu-minimal install now
[22:36] <Byan> =)
[22:37] <phillw> if you have got a core system installed, you should be able to follow the mini-iso instructions to put lubuntu on.
[22:37] <Byan> yeah, I got it covered from here
[23:37] <KM0201> is there a way to make lubuntu have login/shutdown music?
[23:38] <stlsaint> KM0201: music as in Miley Cyrus music??? o_O
[23:38] <KM0201> lol,
[23:38] <KM0201> i was thinking more like how windows plays a tone when it starts up, or Ubuntu has the africans humming when you log in
[23:41] <stlsaint> africans???
[23:42] <KM0201> woops
[23:43] <stlsaint> KM0201: there are africans humming in ubuntu??
[23:43] <stlsaint> how do you know they are african? :P
[23:43] <KM0201> stlsaint: you've never heard when ubuntu signs on, the africans humming?
[23:43] <KM0201> at least thats what i've been told i tis.
[23:43] <stlsaint> again...how do you know they are africans??
[23:43]  * stlsaint is african-american :P
[23:43] <KM0201> i dunno.. i guess cuz shuttleworth is fromm south africa
[23:44] <KM0201> i didn't say thats what they were, just saying thats what i was told.
[23:44] <stlsaint> sssuuurreeee
[23:44] <KM0201> shuttleworth is from south africa, and is white...
[23:44] <Unit193> Jungle Drums
[23:44] <KM0201> i dunno, doesn't sound like drums ot me, but that's really not the point of my question.
[23:46] <stlsaint> KM0201: i know, i just wanted to poke at ya
[23:48] <KM0201> Unit193: so any idea?
[23:48] <Unit193> KM0201: I have never needed login sounds in Lubuntu (or anything else for that matter...)
[23:49] <KM0201> Unit193: lol, well i don't "need" it.. thats for sure...
[23:49] <KM0201> and it is definitely unnecessary, i won't deny that
[23:49] <stlsaint> KM0201: i know ubuntu can not sure how to in lubuntu
[23:49] <KM0201> yeah, Ubuntu it's easy.
[23:50] <KM0201> Unit193: did i tell you i fixed my sound prob?
[23:51] <Unit193> KM0201: This should give you an idea http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=744&f=8
[23:52] <KM0201> hmmm, well, not that important, Lubuntu boots so fast, i wouldn't want to slow it down while it loaded a tone


[03:31] <aelsilmaredh> hi I have a question. I am trying to install xubuntu from a minimal cd. I am hanging at the configure network step. Why can't I proceed?
[03:40] <whelin> aelsilmaredh: I just went through this, can you watch your router traffic monitor? Mine was downloading packages after I connected to the network.
[03:41] <aelsilmaredh> not sure what you mean
[03:44] <whelin> aelsilmaredh: did it let you configure your network?
[03:45] <aelsilmaredh> no...it doesn't seem to take the settings. I entered ssid and WPA password for wireless and it just keeps sending me back to that step
[03:46] <whelin> aelsilmaredh: Ah, ok, that's different from what happened to me. Sorry
[03:47] <aelsilmaredh> eh...well the only reason I was trying to do this is I lost my bootloader and I'm trying to install grub
[11:48] <littlebit> hi poeple I'm trying to install oh-my-zsh on my xubuntu, and I'm stuck at the configuration of the agnoster theme, the font part to be exact, I cloned the powerline font and executed the install.sh but nothing changed... can someone help me that?
[12:42] <littlebit> hi
[14:09] <adrian_1908> hey, does xubuntu 16.10 come with the "ufw" package installed by default? I might have installed it manually in the past, and am not sure how to check.
[14:09] <cfhowlett> adrian_1908, all ubuntus come with ufw
[14:09] <adrian_1908> cfhowlett: installed by default, yes?
[14:10] <cfhowlett> "comes with" = installed
[14:10] <adrian_1908> ok, thanks man!
[14:10] <cfhowlett> NOT turned on however
[14:10] <cfhowlett> sudo ufw status          will tell you yours
[18:53] <Bl8ha> Hi, I have problem with install xubuntu 16.04. I need dualboot. I have instaled Win7 NTFS. The installation menu has no possibility to install next to windows. In GParted I can resize dev, options is gray.
[23:25] <litledot> Hi there.
[23:27] <litledot> A little help please..... have to machines. 1 has ubuntu desktop 64b, the other windows xp. I want to install xubuntu on the machine that has windows xp. is it possíble to install over network reading from xubuntu iso file ?
[23:27] <litledot> would apreciate any help
[23:30] <knome> why would you want to do that?
[23:33] <litledot> because dvd rom on the windows laptop is broken. and the laptop don't boot thru usb
[23:48] <bazhang> knome, does ubuntu support the plop boot manager
[23:57] <knome> bazhang, that should work
[23:59] <xangua> Isn't plop to boot from USB from CD?


[00:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lex might return during the weekend.. just when im planning to drop off for a week :P http://pastebin.com/niw2AH12
[00:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: tell him to apply for UDS
[00:07] <shadeslayer> right on
[00:08] <shadeslayer> sent
[00:09]  * shadeslayer wonders why his 8085 sim wont run
[00:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: when will we get confirmation of our sponsorships?
[00:16] <shadeslayer> :D
[00:17] <maco> shadeslayer: they'e /very/ behind this year
[00:17] <shadeslayer> maco: i dont follow
[00:17] <shadeslayer> behind as in?
[00:17] <maco> uds barcelona...confirmation was 2 months before uds. this uds... we're 2 months out right now and they JUST announced sponsorship opening
[00:17] <shadeslayer> oic
[00:18]  * shadeslayer hopes it really gets postponed by one weel
[00:18] <shadeslayer> *week
[00:18] <maco> cant do that with hotel reservations...
[00:18] <shadeslayer> nothing bad.. just that itll make my life much easier :P
[00:18] <shadeslayer> maco: i know...
[00:18] <shadeslayer> but im hoping for the best :P
[00:19] <shadeslayer> ok now i have a headache.... @ 5 AM in the morning
[00:19] <shadeslayer> im going to sleep.. ASM gave me this headache, im sure
[00:21] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[00:21] <shadeslayer> Stop to screw up Kubuntu, go to bed is too late for you!!! :D << from lex
[00:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[00:22] <shadeslayer> so... cya everybody... in another 3-4 hours
[03:45] <valorie> I just bought a new HD to use for backup today
[03:46] <valorie> in advance of global jam this weekend, when I'll upgrade
[03:46] <valorie> any hints on how best to reformat it in kubuntu
[03:46] <valorie> and what backup software to use?
[03:47] <valorie> it's a seagate FreeAgent 1.5T
[03:47] <valorie> which I gather isn't very linux friendly
[03:51] <valorie> off to the library, and then back to googling, I guess
[06:16] <rbelem> apachelogger, Riddell, ScottK, can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/623137 http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8529  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mobile/+bug/623142
[06:16] <rbelem> :-)
[07:39] <artnay> I know the translation day was already but I just found this out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble/+bug/623175
[08:14] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[08:15] <apachelogger> 25th to 29th that even ought to be possible
[08:18] <Nightrose> hah
[08:18] <Nightrose> that's right after the gsoc mentor summit
[08:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you could attend then? ^^
[08:19] <apachelogger> since you are in the US anyway
[08:19]  * apachelogger pokes artnay with the invalidstick :P
[08:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i want to be in boston that week tbh to visit jeff but orlando sounds tempting really
[08:19] <apachelogger> I have no idea where either is
[08:19] <Nightrose> visiting jeff would be boston
[08:19] <apachelogger> as long as it is not texas I should be fine supposedly
[08:20] <Nightrose> but i could possibly do that before the mentor summit
[08:20] <Nightrose> then mentor summit and then uds
[08:20] <Nightrose> hmmmmmm
[08:20] <Nightrose> that would be one insane travel...
[08:21] <apachelogger> but fun for sure
[08:21] <Nightrose> i guess so yes
[08:21] <apachelogger> oh dear, orlando is in florida
[08:21] <Nightrose> it is - i'd be going east-coast - west-coast - east cost
[08:21] <Nightrose> -> fun
[08:21] <Nightrose> :P
[08:21] <apachelogger> does one get arrested for indecent behaviour in florida? :P
[08:22] <Nightrose> hehe
[08:22] <apachelogger> oha!
[08:22]  * apachelogger needs to get a new passport then
[08:22] <apachelogger> mine is not valid for travels to the US ^^
[08:23] <maco> apachelogger: orlando is where disney is
[08:23] <apachelogger> are we going to do a day trip to disney then?
[08:23] <Nightrose> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[08:23] <Nightrose> i'm so going! :D
[08:23] <maco> we were talking about disney in #ubuntu-devel and slangasek goes "what better epilogue to a free software event than to worship at the altar of perpetual copyright?"
[08:24] <apachelogger> does one get arrested for indecent behaviour at disney world?
[08:24] <Nightrose> maco: rofl
[08:24] <maco> i said i was thinking we go to disney on sunday before uds that way uds can be penancee
[08:24] <apachelogger> what better epilogue to a free software event by getting sponsored there by a company that sucks free software dry and producing prop software, eh? :P
[08:25]  * apachelogger better hopes no one reas that or sponsorship is out of question :P
[08:25]  * Nightrose huggls apachelogger
[08:25] <Nightrose> ;-)
[08:25] <apachelogger> \o/
[08:25]  * apachelogger rehuggles Nightrose and distributes kisses throughout the chann0l
[08:25] <Nightrose> wohoooo
[08:26] <apachelogger> http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/
[08:27] <apachelogger> uh
[08:27] <apachelogger> halloween parteee
[08:27] <Nightrose> ohhhhmy
[08:27] <apachelogger> fairy treasures!!!!
[08:27] <apachelogger> omg!!!
[08:27] <apachelogger> weeeeh
[08:28] <Nightrose> :D
[08:32] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/482786/
[08:36] <persia> Who ends up being the counterparty for the CC-SA-3.0 license if one signs that?
[08:37] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[08:40] <apachelogger> pfff
[08:40] <apachelogger> neversfelde:  ^ can you please drop an opinion on that? :)
[08:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://fedorahosted.org/python-slip/browser/slip/dbus/polkit.py looks more convenient than the aptdaemon thing
[08:42]  * persia suspects that it's a non-actionable agreement without that information, such that it doesn't matter if one signs or not (as one hasn't released rights to any specific counterparty), although I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't true in some jurisdiction (perhaps with the state as default counterparty or similar)
[08:43] <apachelogger> persia: it is from the uds sponsorship page
[08:43] <apachelogger> so supposedly the counterpart is canonical, but that is rather implicit IMHO
[08:45] <persia> Implicit counterparties are a fuzzy area, and highly jurisdiction-dependent.  That said, it would be bad form to sue someone for your UDS appearance, given the number of audio streams, video streams, photographs, etc.
[08:51] <apachelogger> I do not like "release any and all claims whatsoever" things of any sort
[08:53] <apachelogger> !find decorator.py
[08:55] <apachelogger> hm
[08:55] <persia> apachelogger, Maybe offer an open CC-SA-3.0 license for the representations to the implied counterparty?  I'd be surprised if there was an issue (although I may be mistaken)
[08:56] <apachelogger> well, since you cannot use the sponsorship without agreeing to above pasted release ... :/
[09:29]  * apachelogger got polkit in pyth0rn \\o/
[10:04] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[10:04] <agateau> Riddell: good news, Konqueror patch to move the throbber to the toolbar got upstreamed
[10:11] <Sput> agateau: trying to make the dbusmenu stuff work on a distro that isn't kubuntu... is there any daemon or whatever required to make it work with the plasma tray?
[10:11] <Sput> as plasma seems to ignore it completely
[10:11] <agateau> Sput: no daemon needed
[10:11] <agateau> Sput: were kdelibs and kdebase built with dbusmenu-qt support?
[10:11] <agateau> Sput: it has been made optional recently
[10:12] <Sput> well, at least cmake tells me it finds the lib
[10:12] <Sput> no idea how to test if plasma actually uses it
[10:12] <agateau> Sput: in kdelibs and kdebase?
[10:12] <Sput> yeah
[10:12] <Sput> well, it's found and linked against
[10:13] <Sput> but is there any way to test if it's actually in use?
[10:13] <Riddell> agateau: yay, well one
[10:13] <Sput> the KSNIs all export MenuBar/org.ayatana.dbusmenu, but clicking on the Get* methods in qdbusviewer gets me an error
[10:13] <Riddell> agateau: yay, well done
[10:13] <agateau> Sput: can you pastebin the error?
[10:15] <Sput> Unable to find method GetChildren on path /MenuBar in interface org.ayatana.dbusmenu
[10:15] <agateau> wow
[10:15] <Sput> same for the other Get* methods
[10:16] <apachelogger> oh
[10:16] <apachelogger> Sput: in gnome I now get a quassel tray
[10:16] <apachelogger> apparently the gnome indicator applet blocked it
[10:16] <apachelogger> and I get a menu
[10:16] <apachelogger> and it looks gnomz
[10:16] <apachelogger> gnomy
[10:16] <Sput> actually GetProperty and GetLayout work though
[10:16] <agateau> that's really weird
[10:17] <Sput> but GetChildren and GetGroupProperties and GetChildren are b0rked
[10:17] <agateau> GetGroupProperties was broken but got fixed recently
[10:17] <Sput> apachelogger: so it seems that I did it right?
[10:17] <Sput> ah, Event is broken too
[10:17] <agateau> Sput: how do you call GetChildren()?
[10:17] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/Bildschirmfoto1.png
[10:18] <Sput> agateau: I'm just clicking on the names in qdbusviewer
[10:18] <agateau> Sput: I mean which arguments do you pass?
[10:19] <Sput> agateau: I can't pass any args because qdbusviewer can't find the method...
[10:19] <agateau> Sput: can you try with d-feet?
[10:19] <agateau> (it's a gtk equivalent of qdbusviewer)
[10:19] <Sput> and plasma at least seems to ignore the dbusmenu as it still requests the popup menu here
[10:19] <Sput> can do
[10:21] <Sput> agateau: ah, there I can enter params, which should I use?
[10:21] <agateau> for GetChildren: 0, ""
[10:22] <agateau> Should give you all properties of all first level items
[10:22] <Sput> ok, that seems to work
[10:22] <Sput> so it's just plasma not using it, I guess
[10:22] <agateau> yes
[10:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I think we can port software-properties to policykit for 11.04 ... I just got dbus policy foo working in python
[10:23] <Sput> apachelogger: ok, that looks pretty much that I did it correctly and it's working on Ubuntu at least
[10:23] <Sput> including the missing icons :D
[10:23] <apachelogger> missing icons?
[10:23] <Sput> yeah, the menu entries don't have icons
[10:23] <apachelogger> ah
[10:23] <apachelogger> well
[10:23] <apachelogger> gnome
[10:23] <apachelogger> ...
[10:23] <apachelogger> :P
[10:23] <Sput> fixing that would require me rewriting my iconloader
[10:23] <Sput> nah, that's an issue in quassel, but I'm not sure if I care enough to fix it
[10:24] <agateau> Sput: so you wrote your own Qt-only KSNI implementation?
[10:24] <Sput> agateau: yes
[10:24] <agateau> Sput: interesting...
[10:24] <Sput> well, only implementing the features I need for Quassel
[10:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh good
[10:24] <Sput> and pretty much based on KDE's implementation
[10:25] <Sput> (ripping out what I don't need, Qtifying the rest)
[10:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: although doesn't language-selector-gtk alreay use it?
[10:25] <agateau> Sput: there have been some discussions about getting KSNI integrated into Qt itself
[10:25] <agateau> Sput: may be we can reuse your work there
[10:25] <Sput> agateau: yes, I would pay the guy doing that a beer
[10:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: policykit?
[10:25]  * agateau does not drink alcohol :)
[10:25] <Sput> agateau: I'd be very very very glad to be able to throw away my custom implementations of the tray icon and statusnotifier and use QSystemTrayIcon or whatever again
[10:25] <Sput> it's a messy, buggy thing :)
[10:25] <agateau> heh
[10:26] <Sput> since it also includes falling back to the standard tray icon
[10:26] <Sput> and also supports statusnotifier even if Qt has been built without tray icon support
[10:26] <Sput> (which could be useful on phones)
[10:26] <agateau> Sput: yes, I don't like much the way KSNI is implemented, especially the associatedWidget thing
[10:26] <maco> Sput: why does quassel not remember that ive unchecked the main toolbar in the view menu?
[10:26] <agateau> indeed
[10:26] <Sput> agateau: yeah, that's a feature I don't use... since we always have a menu
[10:27] <Sput> so I could simplify some things
[10:27] <agateau> Sput: actually the associatedWidget thing is for when you don't have a window
[10:27] <Sput> agateau: I'd also buy you a nice bottle of local wine for making QSystemTrayIcon dbussy :)
[10:27] <Sput> or coke!
[10:27] <agateau> :)
[10:28] <Sput> it's one of those things that are really really missing... now that Qt has icon theme support
[10:30] <Sput> btw, how do I get Ubuntu in a virtualbox with display resizing support? I guess I'd need to install the vbox guest additions, but can't seem to find a package
[10:30] <amichair> Sput: virtualbox-ose-guest-utils
[10:30] <maco> Sput: virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms and virtualbox-ose-guest-x11
[10:30] <maco> amichair: that one says "non-X11 guest utils" in the description
[10:31] <Sput> ah... the Ubuntu Software Center confuses me :)
[10:31] <Sput> thx
[10:31] <amichair> that's the one I always used, and it always worked (full integration)...
[10:31] <debfx> maco: it recommends -x11
[10:31]  * maco uses apt
[10:31] <maco> debfx: ahh ok
[10:31] <Sput> yeah, the -dkms seems to be a transitional package
[10:32] <maco> Sput: doesnt say that anywhere....
[10:32] <Sput> my ubuntu software center tells me that :)
[10:32] <maco> interesting
[10:32] <maco> its not in the package description
[10:32] <maco> Description: x86 virtualization solution - guest addition module source for dkms
[10:33] <Sput> ah, seems like "Transitional package for virtual-ose-guest-dkms" is something else again
[10:33] <amichair> -dkms says it depends on -utils
[10:34] <Sput> hmmm, it installed -dkms too
[10:34] <Sput> ah well, we'll see if it works
[10:34] <Sput> looks like it.
[10:34] <amichair> Sput: which?
[10:34] <Sput> I installed the x11 thingy
[10:34] <Sput> and that prolly pulled in the other one
[10:35] <amichair> Sput: well as long as it works :-)
[10:35] <Sput> yep
[10:36] <Sput> well, now figure out which packages I need to be able to build quassel...
[10:36] <amichair> ah, the -utils also provide shared folders etc. Or so the description says.
[10:36] <maco> apt-get build-dep quassel
[10:36] <Sput> ah cool
[10:37] <Sput> I seem to remember something like build-essentials but couldn't find it :)
[10:38] <Sput> agateau: any idea why the plasma tray seems to ignore dbusmenu, or how to enable/check for it?
[10:39] <agateau> Sput: is it using old school tray protocol or KSNI?
[10:39] <Sput> agateau: it uses ksni
[10:39] <agateau> Sput: if you get nice tooltips it's KSNI
[10:40] <agateau> mmm
[10:40] <Sput> well, without the K :)
[10:40] <agateau> heh
[10:40] <Sput> I'm not sure if other apps use dbusmenu either
[10:40] <Sput> I have no idea how to check that
[10:41] <agateau> if an app is using ksni, it is also using dbusmenu
[10:41] <agateau> unless it sets some obscure env var
[10:41] <agateau> or unless plasma is not built with dbusmenu
[10:41] <apachelogger> does someone know a bit about polkit?
[10:42] <Sput> agateau: yes, and I'm suspecting that it doesn't work as intended here, as at least it doesn't work for quassel (which *does* have a dbusmenu in gnome, it seems, so my implementation should be correct)
[10:42] <Sput> and I can't check other apps
[10:42] <agateau> Sput: why can't you check other apps?
[10:42]  * apachelogger just wanted to ask the same thing ^^
[10:42] <Sput> agateau: because I have no idea how...
[10:42] <Sput> I mean, how do I see the difference
[10:43] <agateau> Sput: you can try dbus-monitor
[10:43] <agateau> it's a command line tool
[10:43] <agateau> the dbus equivalent of wireshark
[10:43] <agateau> dbus-monitor interface=org.ayatana.dbusmenu
[10:43] <apachelogger> Sput: how do you know quassel's dbusmenu does not get used?
[10:44] <Sput> apachelogger: because it has icons :)
[10:44] <Sput> also, because ContextMenu is being called
[10:44] <apachelogger> Sput: in plasma dbusmneu has icons
[10:44] <Sput> apachelogger: not with my implementation.
[10:44] <apachelogger> oh
[10:44] <apachelogger> ic
[10:44] <Sput> that part isn't implemented yet
[10:45] <Sput> hmmm, how's the dbusmenu-qt package called in ubuntu?
[10:45] <agateau> Sput: libdbusmenu-qt2
[10:45] <Sput> thx
[10:45] <Sput> I should relearn apt :)
[10:45] <agateau> and libdbusmenu-qt-dev
[10:46] <apachelogger> Sput: apt-cache search foo bar :P
[10:47]  * apachelogger is wondering how to make polkit not query the password for every action
[10:57] <Sput> apachelogger: what did you have to do to make the tray icon work in gnome?
[10:57] <Sput> gnome confuses me even more than the software center :(
[10:58] <apachelogger> Sput: remove the indicator applet
[10:58] <apachelogger> the mail-like icon in the systray area
[10:58] <Sput> ah, yeah, that worked
[10:59] <Sput> ok, dbusmenu works too for quassel
[10:59] <Sput> so I declare my implementation working and bugfree!
[10:59] <Sput> ... now fix plasma :)
[11:00] <Sput> btw, adding support for it was really easy, agateau...only had to instantiate this DBusMenuExporter thingy and add a method to the SNI sbud interface
[11:00] <Sput> so I guess that tells that libdbusmenu-qt is nicely designed
[11:00] <agateau> Sput: thanks :)
[11:01] <Sput> and sbud should have been dbus
[11:04] <Sput> great. shutting down the vbox made my nvidia go all wonky
[11:04] <Sput> now I have nice visual distortions all over the screen
[11:04] <Sput> proprietary drivers --
[11:14] <apachelogger> eh
[11:14] <apachelogger> ehhhh
[11:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why did rekonq loose my settings?!?!?!?
[11:14] <apachelogger> man
[11:14] <apachelogger> this thing is so full of crap...
[11:15] <apachelogger> http://imgur.com/ZZ1An
[11:15] <apachelogger> toolbar had text alongside icons
[11:15] <apachelogger> and what is with those bookmarks there
[11:15] <apachelogger> is it a toolbar or bookmarks bar?
[11:26] <Riddell> I would imagine it's the Main Toolbar followed by the Bookmarks Toolbar
[11:26] <Riddell> right click and unlock to check
[11:26] <apachelogger> aha!
[11:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: thx
[11:27] <apachelogger> leaves the question why it is in one row by default
[11:27] <apachelogger> and why upstream overwrites user settings on upgrade
[11:28] <Riddell> the transition from hardcoded toolbars to XML GUI ones hasn't gone smoothly for rekonq
[11:28] <Riddell> there are worse problems I'm sure
[11:28] <apachelogger> oh
[11:28] <apachelogger> as long as it stays
[11:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: IMHO the applications-other icon is a bit over/miss used
[11:30] <apachelogger> it is used by KDE for lost'n'found, by kpk and by software-properties
[11:30] <apachelogger> probably even more
[11:30] <apachelogger> :/
[11:31] <apachelogger> doesnt ubiquity use an adapted version?
[11:35] <Riddell> it's a version with a kubuntu logo on it
[11:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: I really think we should poke someone to get more diversity
[11:41] <Riddell> unfortunately kwwii has just disappeared
[12:01] <emonkey> anyone an idea why there is a little windows with an X (the x from xserver) as icon and if I close it, the whole desktop disappears? (only the windows stay and are usable as normal, krunner worsk normally, etc.)
[12:05] <Riddell> could be flash
[12:52] <JontheEchidna> emonkey, Riddell: bug 614699 is what that is
[12:53] <Riddell> oh yes you pointed that one out a wee while ago
[12:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: please target any bugs you think need it to beta or 10.10 and tag with kubuntu
[12:54]  * Riddell does so for that bug
[12:54] <emonkey> I'll check that mom
[12:56] <emonkey> looks like that ... I don't want to use another ppa, so I'll wait until it's fixed in the normal backports ppa.
[12:56] <emonkey> Just poke me if I can test something.
[13:00] <emonkey> the only annoying thing is that notifications are displayed again and again and again ...
[13:02]  * apachelogger clearly got too much coffee again :S
[13:02] <apachelogger> @.@
[13:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you know of a way to not make polkit request auth for each and every action?
[13:03]  * apachelogger finds it a bit silly to ask a billion times for authentication when applying the changes ^^
[13:04] <jussi> apachelogger: I have that when connecting to samba or sftp via dolphin. very annoying.
[13:04] <apachelogger> that is another story
[13:05] <jussi> well could we fix that too?  :D
[13:05] <apachelogger> jussi: with sftp one uses a key anyway :P
[13:05] <jussi> apachelogger: sometimes
[13:05] <apachelogger> _always_
[13:05] <jussi> no, sometimes.
[13:05] <apachelogger> there is no reason why one would not want to use a keay
[13:06] <jussi> grrr, there is reason. and the function exists, so should we not fix it?
[13:06] <apachelogger> what is the reason :P
[13:06]  * apachelogger thinks that kde should very much fix it, since they broke it
[13:07] <jussi> heh
[13:10] <apachelogger> softwareproperties makes my nose itch -.-
[13:11] <apachelogger> hm
[13:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: is there are particular reason it was not derived from a *Dialog class?
[13:11] <Riddell> well it's an application not a dialogue
[13:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, if it were not alienating itself by doing on-the-fly-apply it would exhibit need for all standard dialog buttons
[13:14] <Riddell> oh that's because it's a port of the gtk one so I copied the whole UI including on-the-fly-apply
[13:14] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:15] <Riddell> ah hah, JontheEchidna broke kdebase-workspace with his utempter larks in kdelibs
[13:15]  * apachelogger notes that the backend does not support other paradigms anyway
[13:15] <apachelogger> toogle functions are evil
[13:20] <apachelogger> hm
[13:20] <apachelogger> something is fishy with my dbus service :(
[13:31]  * jussi sticks another fish down apachelogger's dbus... heheh :D
[13:31]  * apachelogger pets dbus
[13:31] <apachelogger> hm
[13:31] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I guess you'd only use one auth policy for applying changes, and if that passes then apply all changes via the helper
[13:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that however is a bit awkward if the sysadmin wants to define more fine grided permissions? :/
[13:41] <apachelogger> either the user gets annoyed or the sysadmin :/
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> I am wondering which options would need to be fine-grained from and s-p-k perspective
[13:44] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> my point exactly. :)
[13:45] <apachelogger> popcon :P
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> one auth for changing popcon, one auth for other things
[13:45] <apachelogger> ack
[13:45]  * apachelogger hugs JontheEchidna
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> :)
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> you could even set the popcon one to not need auth by default
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> if security is ok with that I guess
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> would be nice if popcon was per-user
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> for e.g. usage
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> even if installation stats are per-system
[13:52]  * apachelogger agrees
[13:52] <apachelogger> :O
[13:52] <apachelogger> software-properties does seriously funky stuff
[13:52] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/482894/
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: out of the top of your head, would you have a guess what that is necessary for?
[13:53] <Riddell> deleteing widgets?
[13:55] <apachelogger> well, yes, but that is part of init
[13:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: known problem, its on my todo :P
[13:57] <shadeslayer> OH!
[13:57]  * apachelogger fears it is one of those ever growing todos :P
[13:57] <shadeslayer> true :P
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you have write access to kde FTP servers>?
[13:58] <apachelogger> no, yes, why?
[13:58] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=242675 << please test that if you do :)
[13:59] <shadeslayer> wait.. that can be any ftp server :/
[13:59] <apachelogger> right :P
[13:59] <apachelogger> You can only select local files
[14:00] <apachelogger> that save dialog is resticted to the local file flag
[14:00] <apachelogger> obviously
[14:00] <shadeslayer> i went over the report too quickly :P
[14:04] <apachelogger> hmm
[14:04] <apachelogger> no kdebug in pykde :(
[14:04] <apachelogger> why but why
[14:05] <apachelogger> WOAH
[14:05] <apachelogger> hahahaha
[14:05] <apachelogger> rofl
[14:05] <apachelogger> sweet
[14:06] <apachelogger> rekonq is so terrible I might have to call it by its real name and get cencored
[14:06] <apachelogger> so
[14:06] <jjesse> i tried using reqonk on my netbook as my main browser and i hate it
[14:06] <jjesse> would rather use konqueror
[14:06] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:06] <apachelogger> say you are at http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.3-api/kdecore/KAboutData.html
[14:06] <apachelogger> and want to get to KDebug
[14:06] <shadeslayer> jjesse: why?
[14:07] <apachelogger> you select the KAboutData and start typing
[14:07] <apachelogger> like real quick
[14:07] <jjesse> refresh takes forever
[14:07] <apachelogger> hit enter enter right away
[14:07] <apachelogger> and kabooom
[14:07] <apachelogger> http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.3-api/kdecore/KDe.html
[14:07] <jjesse> some pages don't load correctly for me (facebook (all the time), google reader gives me issues, some of my work pages)
[14:07] <jjesse> it seems very slow compared to firefox and chrome
[14:08] <jjesse> sometimes on my netbook the page flickers as it tries to load
[14:08] <shadeslayer> jjesse: rekonq version?
[14:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^^^^^^ do something about those lost characters
[14:08] <jjesse> shadeslayer whatever is in current up to date maverick
[14:08] <jjesse> just haven't had time to post to mailing list yet
[14:09]  * shadeslayer checks if 0.5.80 built
[14:09] <jjesse> everything was up to date as of 8pm EST
[14:09] <jjesse> on  my netbook
[14:09] <jjesse> i dont know if having only 1 gb of RAM affects it or not
[14:10] <shadeslayer> hehe LO
[14:10] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i still dont understand your bug :(
[14:12] <shadeslayer> i opened the KAboutData api page > searched for KAboutData and it works fine
[14:12] <apachelogger> not searched
[14:12] <apachelogger> read again
[14:12] <apachelogger> manually change the url
[14:12] <apachelogger> or quickly search for superfloss
[14:12] <apachelogger> google will come up with superflo
[14:12] <apachelogger> rekonq constantly looses the last 1 or 2 characters of quickly entered input
[14:13] <shadeslayer> oic
[14:13] <shadeslayer> lemme check
[14:14] <Riddell> that might only be the case with !English
[14:16] <shadeslayer> oh...in that case i cant say, i use english and it works for me ( typed my password in urlbar as its the fastest thing i can type :P )
[14:17] <shadeslayer> jjesse: what does apt-cache policy rekonq say ?
[14:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: asdf<enter>
[14:18] <apachelogger> most of the time I can reproudce it with that
[14:19] <apachelogger> maybe I am just too quick a typer :S
[14:19] <shadeslayer> works for me :(
[14:20] <apachelogger> doesnt here
[14:28] <apachelogger> hm
[14:28] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:28]  * apachelogger just deleted his dbus stuff -.-
[14:36]  * Riddell removes k3bsetup from system settings, silly place to put it
[14:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: works for other people in #rekonq as well
[14:38] <apachelogger> that does not change the fact that it is not working for me, does it?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you sync kmymoney? bug 622984
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: voila
[14:50] <shadeslayer> thanks :D
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks Mr. archive man
[14:55]  * Riddell doesn't use a title
[14:55] <Riddell> just plain Archive Man will do :)
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> :)
[14:57] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[15:03] <agateau> It's a Bird... It's a Plane... It's Archive Man!
[15:03] <shadeslayer> would QX11Embed also be responsible for the nasty flash bug with rekonq, where a nasty X11 window comes up when playing flash vids?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> ^ seems i used nasty twice :P
[15:04] <Riddell> yes most likely
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> ^yes, most likely
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> ha
[15:04] <shadeslayer> good :D
[15:04]  * apachelogger has itchy nose again
[15:09] <apachelogger> bleh
[15:10] <apachelogger> enough pyth0rn for today
[15:27] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[15:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kubuntu-bugs subscribed to rekonq
[15:27] <CIA-71> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1167407 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/worker/org.kubuntu.qaptworker.policy Allow all active users to check for updates, as aptdaemon now does
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> it wasn't? :s
[15:27] <apachelogger> no
[15:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and qtwebkit-source too
[15:29]  * apachelogger pokes shadeslayer with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rekonq
[15:30]  * shadeslayer looks
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> ^now there's no reason muon can't handle refreshing repos after using s-p-kde
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> I was letting s-p-kde do that through qapt-batch since s-p-kde was already running as root and letting muon do it would just throw another auth dialog at you after you had already had to do one to launch s-p-kde
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> smart polkit policies++
[15:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you mean if started from within muon would carry out the refresh?
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, let me go through the steps
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> as you know, s-p-kde has a --dont-update flag so that package managers can do the updating themselves
[15:33] <apachelogger> aye
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> but
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> to launch s-p-kde you have to give the password
[15:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one is fix released and one is incomplete/fix released ( marked as incomplete for now )
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> since you didn't launch muon as root
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> using this flag would mean that muon would have to ask you for your password
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> but since s-p-kde is already running as root, it can launch qapt-batch in its own refresh routine without qapt-batch asking for permissions
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> therefore the smart thing to do before I changed it so that any active user can refresh packages was to let s-p-kde do the refreshing by launching a root'd qapt-batch
[15:35] <apachelogger> why does qapt-batch ask for permission if it is executed as root?
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> it doesn't
[15:35] <apachelogger> oh
[15:35] <apachelogger> without ^^
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> that is why I wasn't letting muon handle things
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> right
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> but now that any non-remote user can update the cache, a double password annoyfest is no longer a concern
[15:37] <apachelogger> ah
[15:37]  * apachelogger gets it
[15:37]  * apachelogger finds that nifty
[16:03] <apachelogger> The following errors were encountered:
[16:03] <apachelogger> Object: , name: u'https'
[16:03] <apachelogger> launchpad <3
[16:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that letter loosing annoys me towards blood rage mood
[16:09] <Riddell> NCommander: did you say you had a fix for python-qt issue but then kdebindings got stuck on smoke?
[16:09] <Riddell> or did I just make that up?
[16:09] <NCommander> Riddell: I had a fix or pykde4, but smoke is stil broke
[16:09] <NCommander> Riddell: I've linked dyfet to it, I think I pinged you with a link
[16:10] <apachelogger> timeout \o/
[16:10] <Riddell> NCommander: so we could just disable smoke on arm?
[16:10] <Riddell> we've done that before
[16:10] <NCommander> Riddell: sure, but I have no time to test it
[16:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we still need skim?
[16:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: dunno, ask a chinese person
[16:12] <apachelogger> chinese persons: do we still need skim?
[16:12] <Riddell> freeflyi1g: ^^
[16:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think skim only works with KDE 3 anyway
[16:12] <apachelogger> The following errors were encountered:
[16:12] <apachelogger> Object: , name: u'https'
[16:12] <apachelogger> well then
[16:16] <Riddell> how do I find the URL for an advanced search on launchpad bugs (so i can save it)?
[16:16] <Riddell> oh wait, it suddently worked
[16:16] <maco> apachelogger: ibus replaces skim
[16:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :(
[16:16]  * maco isn't chinese but does frequently type in japanese
[16:17] <maco> (or at least more frequently than you do :P)
[16:17]  * apachelogger is either more grumpy than usual or everthing is going to shoot
[16:17] <maco> Riddell: um it shows up in your address bar and you copy and paste?
[16:17] <maco> i think you can subscribe to advanced searches too to get emails when something new matches it
[16:17] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[16:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think that the lost-letter-bug is coming from the incredible laggingness rekonq's addressbar exhibits here
[16:18] <apachelogger> it is like typing on chewing gum
[16:18] <shadeslayer> ew
[16:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i hope you have 0.5.80
[16:18] <apachelogger> yes I do
[16:18] <apachelogger> and yet it is crap
[16:18] <apachelogger> go figure
[16:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: join #rekonq > catch adjam when he comes in > tell him :P
[16:19] <apachelogger> grrrrrrrr
[16:19] <shadeslayer> because i cant figure it out :(
[16:20] <apachelogger> maco: skim is a KDE config UI for scim I understand
[16:20] <apachelogger> and scim is still around
[16:20] <apachelogger> so I wonder if skim is still usefu
[16:21] <apachelogger> l
[16:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw did you try resetting the config files for rekonq? namely .kde/share/apps/rekonq and .kde/share/config/rekonqrc ?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> we really do need a script to port those over :(
[16:24]  * apachelogger blinks
[16:24]  * apachelogger gets his stress ball and sits down on the chair next to Nightrose to watch her work
[16:25]  * Nightrose looks at apachelogger and feels watched
[16:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: :*
[16:26] <Nightrose> :*
[16:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you make of bug 575497
[16:27]  * shadeslayer is sad because he does not have kubuntu splash anymore
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I don't really see a reason for a sudden failure, but I do know that straight 9.04 -> 10.04 is not supported
[16:31] <apachelogger> not officially but scott wanted as good support as possible ;)
[16:39]  * Riddell uploads a new plasma-widget-networkmanagement snapshot
[16:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :O .... qtcreator does not have ctrl+G shortcut?
[16:41] <apachelogger> what?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> in qtcreator i cannot go to a specific line ... i need the ctrl+g shortcut to do that
[16:42] <apachelogger> qthelp://com.nokia.qtcreator.200/doc/creator-keyboard-shortcuts.html
[16:43] <emonkey> Sorry for asking, hope I don't annoy ... bug 614699 is fixed in 10.10, will it be fixed in the backport ppa too?
[16:45] <maco> apachelogger: oh i thought skim was a full separate scim-for-kde not just a config ui. but if ibus is shipped by default, not scim, no need for skim by default
[16:46] <apachelogger> well, I was wondering about booting it from the archives ;)
[16:46] <Riddell> skim is also a UI for scim's backend
[16:46] <Riddell> it's in universe
[16:47] <Riddell> emonkey: if someone fixes it, debdiffs welcome
[16:47] <maco> apachelogger: oooh
[16:48] <maco> Riddell: new nm plasmoid? but the old one worked!
[16:48]  * maco can look forward to broken network when getting home -_-
[16:48] <Riddell> maco: well this one works better (I hope)
[16:49] <maco> thats not how network manager works!
[16:49] <maco> see they get it working for one release, then they break it for the next two...
[16:49] <shadeslayer> ^ true
[16:53] <apachelogger> d'oh!
[16:54] <shadeslayer> setting 613636 to confirmed
[16:55] <shadeslayer> bug 613636
[16:56] <apachelogger> kubuntu one?
[16:56] <apachelogger> :P
[16:56] <CIA-71> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1167435 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/worker/ (org.kubuntu.qaptworker.policy worker.cpp) Dirty hack to make sure all the DBus shiz is ready when we send signals back to the bus. :( Also, final newlines++
[16:56]  * apachelogger has a highlight on that :P
[16:58] <apachelogger> bug 533432
[16:58] <apachelogger> kolourpaint4 is clearly a killer app ^^
[16:58] <rbelem> :-D
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> Seen that one before. I really have no idea how that could affect anything
[16:58] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:58] <apachelogger> oh
[16:59] <apachelogger> rbelem: I wanted to poke you with a long-pointy-stick-of-read-my-complaints :P
[16:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: yo, should we be uploading ubuntuone-kde packages?
[16:59] <apachelogger> I stopped my review right after seeing the version number (i.e. I did not start :P)
[17:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: right I also wanted to talk with upstream about that
[17:00] <rbelem> apachelogger, lol
[17:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: cos we should get it in before beta freeze preferably
[17:01] <apachelogger> true true
[17:01] <apachelogger> ctrl+c is broken :(
[17:01]  * apachelogger is wondering how that happened
[17:03] <rbelem> hey Riddell, i need some help with the kdeglobals
[17:03] <Riddell> rbelem: hi
[17:03] <rbelem> Riddell, :-)
[17:03] <rbelem> Riddell, related to the fonts
[17:04] <rbelem> Riddell, which one do you think is the best to use?
[17:04]  * apachelogger is wondering what is different about the fonts
[17:04] <apachelogger> size?
[17:04] <rbelem> and size too :-)
[17:05] <Riddell> rbelem: hmm I was going to say copy it from kubuntu-netbook but I see you did that and the error is there too
[17:05] <Riddell> rbelem: s/DejaVu Sans/Sans/
[17:05]  * apachelogger tunes in "a long december" and asks Nightrose if she would like to dance
[17:06] <Riddell> s/DejaVu Sans Mono/Monospace/
[17:06] <rbelem> yep
[17:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i always do!
[17:06] <dantti_work> What do you guys this it's best Cancel or Unmark? http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopzy2659  http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopvx2659
[17:06] <rbelem> Riddell, cool!
[17:06]  * rbelem runs
[17:06]  * apachelogger dances with Nightrose
[17:07] <Nightrose> \o/
[17:07] <Riddell> dantti_work: hmm, I think either is fine, probably a preference for Unmark although I'm not sure why
[17:09] <dantti_work> hmm, I think I'll stick with unmark I think cancel seems like it's already installing and clicking cancel will cancel the instalation
[17:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw every UDS, how many people are from the Kubuntu team? :p
[17:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: around 5
[17:11] <shadeslayer> you+4 ? :D
[17:11] <Riddell> 5 sponsored (roughly)
[17:11] <shadeslayer> ohk
[17:12] <rbelem> Riddell, is that ok? http://paste.ubuntu.com/482967/
[17:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you happen to know if we are having a day trip to disney world?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> haha
[17:13] <apachelogger> rbelem: why monospace?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger++
[17:13] <rbelem> Riddell, ^ :-D
[17:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: not that I know of although I'm not flying back until the monday after so it's a possibility
[17:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: for the fixed with font monospace fonts are popular
[17:14] <Riddell> rbelem: ooh no, not all monospace
[17:14] <Riddell> fixed=Monospace
[17:14] <Riddell> all the rest =Sans
[17:14] <rbelem> ah ok :-D
[17:15] <shadeslayer> what happened to ubuntu fonts?
[17:15] <shadeslayer> are going to use those?
[17:15] <apachelogger> that is what I thought
[17:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, we surely must go to disney world ;)
[17:15] <apachelogger> sabdfl: can we please have a day trip to disney? ^^
[17:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: according to seele it's hurricane season so we'll be lucky to be alive at all by the end of it
[17:16]  * shadeslayer rolls off the bed laughing
[17:16] <rbelem> Riddell, what about now? http://paste.ubuntu.com/482969/
[17:16] <rbelem> :-)
[17:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: bummer, I better take my parsol with me then
[17:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: stop scaring sabdfl away :P
[17:17] <apachelogger> apachelogger poppins
[17:17] <apachelogger> flying around over disney world
[17:17] <Riddell> rbelem: lovely
[17:17] <apachelogger> that sure will get me locked away for indecency
[17:17] <rbelem> Riddell, cool :-D
[17:18] <rbelem> thanks apachelogger Riddell
[17:18] <apachelogger> rbelem: did you fix the version yet? :P
[17:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: on top of Dr. Konqi?
[17:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, should i use 0ubuntu1?
[17:19] <apachelogger> no
[17:19] <apachelogger> rbelem: 10.10ubuntu1
[17:19] <shadeslayer> lulz ^
[17:19] <apachelogger> rbelem: that way you can use dch -i to increment
[17:19] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: yo
[17:19] <DrKonqi> goodevening, apachelogger :)
[17:19] <rbelem> cool! :-)
[17:19]  * apachelogger takes DrKonqi and flies like marry poppins
[17:20]  * shadeslayer puts a gps locator on DrKonqi
[17:20] <shadeslayer> now we can retrieve our DrKonqi when he gets lost
[17:20] <rbelem> apachelogger, and the tarball? name it kubuntu-mobile-default-settings_10.10.0.tar.gz or with orig.tar.gz?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> rbelem: .orig
[17:21] <apachelogger> no no no
[17:21] <shadeslayer> why not?
[17:21] <apachelogger> with 10.10ubuntu1 the tarball will be created at dpkg-buildpackage
[17:21] <shadeslayer> oic
[17:21] <apachelogger> that is one of the implications of a native package
[17:21] <shadeslayer> doh
[17:21] <apachelogger> you do not have a orig.tar.gz because it is the orig already
[17:21] <shadeslayer> i didnt know :P
[17:21] <rbelem> sweet! :-)
[17:22] <rbelem> just need to rm kubuntu-mobile-default-settings_10.10.0.tar.gz
[17:23] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: order-adm list
[17:23] <DrKonqi> apachelogger: Nothing available.
[17:24] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[17:24] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: order-adm add coffee no 5 1
[17:24] <DrKonqi> apachelogger, you don't have 'bar::edit::order-adm' permissions here
[17:24] <apachelogger> woosh
[17:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:24] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: order-adm add coffee no 5 1
[17:24] <DrKonqi> apachelogger: Please first create the machine which should be linked to (same syntax, just replace the machine name with 'yes'), or use '-' to inidcate that there is no machine.
[17:24] <apachelogger> oh
[17:24]  * apachelogger wonders if he has to call it machine
[17:25] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: order-adm add coffee yes 10 1
[17:25] <DrKonqi> apachelogger: coffee_machine added
[17:25] <apachelogger> yay
[17:26] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: order-adm add coffee coffee 10 1
[17:26] <DrKonqi> apachelogger: coffee added
[17:26] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: order coffee for everyone
[17:26]  * DrKonqi is going to his secret storehouse to get coffee for everyone - might take some time.
[17:26]  * DrKonqi is back and slides coffee down the bar to everyone
[17:26] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: order coffee
[17:26] <DrKonqi> apachelogger: We are out of coffee, you should reorder some of it.
[17:26] <apachelogger> :D :D :D :D
[17:26]  * apachelogger notes that the stable version of rbotbar is actually rather sophisticated
[17:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ubuntu font seems to be late (to answer your earlier question)
[17:26] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:26] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: reorder coffee
[17:26] <DrKonqi> apachelogger: Billy Kay is on his way to the store....
[17:26] <Riddell> gosh, a new bot
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you mean theyre late in releasing the fonts or late in the release cycle?
[17:29] <Riddell> both
[17:29] <rbelem> Riddell, apachelogger, just uploaded
[17:29] <rbelem> to revu
[17:29] <apachelogger> ah
[17:29] <apachelogger> that explains why my mobile was shouting at me
[17:29] <rbelem> :-)
[17:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: revu redirects to your mobile? :P
[17:30] <apachelogger> dantti_work: defenitely not unmark
[17:30] <apachelogger> dantti_work: that sounds very techy in that context
[17:30] <apachelogger> not sure about cancel either though
[17:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if a bug reported assigned to me changes basically the whole house goes *bEEEEEEEp*
[17:32] <shadeslayer> nice :P
[17:32] <apachelogger> actually more annoying... more like *pingbEEEEEEpkabooomcrashDohzmog*
[17:32] <apachelogger> which is the reason I do not like when bugs with a lot of traffic are assigned to me :P
[17:33] <shadeslayer> which phone?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> the aPhone? :P
[17:33] <rbelem> hiPhone
[17:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it calls itself phone
[17:35] <apachelogger> no seriously, it is called phone on bluetooth :P
[17:36] <shadeslayer> haha :P
[17:36] <apachelogger> once upon a time my pc was called box :P
[17:36] <shadeslayer> what does the company call it?
[17:36] <apachelogger> that made my bash me@box:~
[17:36] <shadeslayer> the one that manf. it?
[17:36] <apachelogger> that was sicky
[17:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I dunno, it has multiple names I hear
[17:37] <apachelogger> htc magic seems to be the most common one
[17:37] <apachelogger> with stupid android -.-
[17:39] <shadeslayer> android is stupid?
[17:40] <apachelogger> almost as much as rekonq
[17:40] <shadeslayer> thats....
[17:40] <shadeslayer> im not going to say
[17:42] <shadeslayer> bazinga
[17:43]  * apachelogger imagines rekonq written in java
[17:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: omg, please hold me
[17:43] <apachelogger> wah
[17:43] <apachelogger> wuh
[17:43] <apachelogger> woh
[17:43]  * apachelogger falls over
[17:43]  * Nightrose holds apachelogger
[17:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why cant i reproduce any of your issues :(
[17:47] <shadeslayer> also
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: run rekonq with gdb and watch it do amazing stuff
[17:51] <rbelem> apachelogger, Riddell, I created the group kubuntu-mobile at launchpad https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-mobile
[17:52] <apachelogger> rbelem: for bzr branches?
[17:52] <apachelogger> if so, please make kubuntu-dev a member
[17:52] <rbelem> yep :-)
[17:52] <rbelem> cool
[17:52] <apachelogger> (and kubuntu-ninja if you wish)
[17:52] <maco> apachelogger: so i had ubuntu-sso-gnomekeyring or whatever it is not installed on that one system, but gnome-keyring was still installed. removing that made that one sync to U1. yay! the other system which never had gnome keyring on it still doesn't pull from U1 though. boo.
[17:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: look at http://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/merge_requests/187 and http://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/merge_requests/188
[17:54] <shadeslayer> they were supposed to fix some stuff, but when you run rekonq from krunner it doesnt show about:home , if you run it with gdb it works
[17:54] <apachelogger> oh :O
[17:54] <apachelogger> maco: that is very odd
[17:54] <rbelem> apachelogger, done! :-)
[17:54]  * apachelogger is wondering what would make gnome-keyring block syncing
[17:54] <maco> apachelogger: computers arent meant to make sense, right?
[17:55] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:55] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:55] <apachelogger> maco: probably your harddrive is failing and there is a byte that is not set where it should be set :P
[17:56] <maco> :P
[17:56]  * rbelem is leaving for a while
[17:56]  * shadeslayer swaps maco's HD with a magnetic core
[17:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: even with cleaned out sources the addressbar still lags like crap
[17:59] <shadeslayer> cleaned out sources? 0_O
[17:59] <shadeslayer> dude
[17:59] <shadeslayer> there is something very wrong with qt
[17:59] <shadeslayer> look at the merges i showed you
[18:01] <shadeslayer> oh man
[18:01] <shadeslayer> this is not good
[18:01] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/k4WQ5 << shows 0.5.55 0_o
[18:01] <apachelogger> hmmm
[18:01] <apachelogger> eh
[18:01] <apachelogger> cleaned out conigs
[18:01] <apachelogger> anywhow
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/merge_requests/188 <-- you people realize that a QUrl string comparision is more expensive than QString, right?
[18:02] <shadeslayer> no :P
[18:03] <apachelogger> well then
[18:03] <apachelogger> a QUrl comparision will at the very least need to normalize the URL
[18:03] <apachelogger> and in that case there first construct a QUrl
[18:04] <apachelogger> erm
[18:04] <shadeslayer> QString
[18:04] <apachelogger> KUrl (and QUrl)
[18:04] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:04] <apachelogger> for reference ... that is the normalizer of qurl: http://qt.gitorious.com/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/corelib/io/qurl.cpp#line3970
[18:04] <apachelogger> so
[18:04] <apachelogger> if I am not mistaken
[18:05] <apachelogger> then what each call there does
[18:05] <apachelogger> ...
[18:05] <apachelogger> implicitly make the char* a QString
[18:05] <apachelogger> make that QString in a QUrl obeject (and construct a QUrlPrivate object)
[18:06] <apachelogger> this will parse the URL and do all sorts of other foo
[18:06] <apachelogger> then at least normalize it
[18:06] <apachelogger> and then do a QByteArray comparision
[18:07] <shadeslayer> zomgwtf
[18:07] <shadeslayer> something is seriously wrong
[18:07] <apachelogger> considering your urls at not particularly complex and I suppose very static a qstring comparision would be way more sensible
[18:07] <apachelogger> or (if one can get a QByteArray out of the url object) a QBA compare
[18:07] <shadeslayer> dude something is very wrong with my system http://imgur.com/1xcZZ
[18:08] <shadeslayer> same thing, only this time i ran rekonq with gdb
[18:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe you have too rekonqs installed?
[18:08] <shadeslayer> no
[18:08] <shadeslayer> cant be
[18:08] <apachelogger> whereis rekonq
[18:09] <shadeslayer> one sec
[18:09] <shadeslayer> rekonq: /usr/local/bin/rekonq
[18:09] <shadeslayer> thats it
[18:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: locate libkdeinit4_rekonq.so
[18:10] <shadeslayer> /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_rekonq.so
[18:10] <shadeslayer> /usr/local/lib/libkdeinit4_rekonq.so
[18:10] <shadeslayer> bahahaha
[18:11] <apachelogger> ther eis your problem :P
[18:11]  * apachelogger was right again yay \\o/
[18:11] <shadeslayer> how do i fix it? :P
[18:11] <apachelogger> dpkg -S libkdeinit4_rekonq.so
[18:11] <bulldog98> apachelogger+
[18:11] <apachelogger> if that yields nothing, just sudo rm it
[18:11] <shadeslayer> which one? :P
[18:12] <apachelogger> the one that is not installed by you :P
[18:12] <shadeslayer> whee
[18:12]  * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: now you can fix those KUrls :P
[18:13] <shadeslayer> yeah will do :P
[18:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems toEncoded would be a good thing
[18:16]  * shadeslayer looks that up
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: like     if (url.toEncoded() == QString("about:home"))
[18:22] <apachelogger> no
[18:23] <apachelogger> QByteArray("about:home")
[18:23] <shadeslayer> oic
[18:23] <apachelogger> toEncoded returns a QBA
[18:23] <shadeslayer> the return is QBA
[18:23] <apachelogger> QBAs ought to be even lighter to compare than QString
[18:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also, explicitly create the QBA
[18:23] <apachelogger> and then use it in the if statements
[18:24] <shadeslayer> whai? wont that... wait
[18:24] <shadeslayer> so you mean
[18:24] <shadeslayer> QByteArray foo
[18:24] <shadeslayer> and then assign foo with the about: stuff
[18:25] <apachelogger> const QByteArray encodedUrl = url.toEncoded();
[18:25] <apachelogger> something like that
[18:25] <apachelogger> then use the encodedUrl in the if statements
[18:25] <shadeslayer> why?
[18:25] <shadeslayer> why not just use url.toEncoded() ?
[18:25] <apachelogger> otherwise the compiler might be silly enough to explicitly call toEncoded()
[18:25] <apachelogger> which would of course be silly since the value does not change inbetween the ifs
[18:26] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:26] <shadeslayer> multiple calls to same functio
[18:26] <shadeslayer> rght
[18:26] <shadeslayer> see now quassel is all funny
[18:26] <apachelogger> because rekonq eats your memory :P
[18:27] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol..: http://gitorious.org/~shadeslayer/rekonq/rekonq-clone/commit/7e5f99b8014f64ba06cf467ac432b226961f9567
[18:33] <apachelogger> Can't open perl script "/usr/bin/dpkg-source": Cannot allocate memory
[18:33] <apachelogger> odness
[18:33] <apachelogger> oodness
[18:33] <apachelogger> hahah
[18:33] <shadeslayer> http://gitorious.org/~shadeslayer/rekonq/rekonq-clone/commit/9d1e041d34a9996c563a5c80a7f08a61c952150a
[18:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^ look what I did there
[18:33] <apachelogger> muhahaa
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:35] <apachelogger> hm
[18:35] <shadeslayer> bah
[18:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cool, but this is not C ... declare the variable imediately before you use it
[18:35] <apachelogger> i.e. before the first if
[18:35] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:36]  * shadeslayer messed up his git repo tho
[18:36]  * apachelogger wanted to complain about something to rbelem but since he left apachelogger cannot complain and meanwhile forgot it anyway
[18:38] <sheytan> Hey guys
[18:38] <sheytan> does ubuntu or Kubuntu have a hardware compability list somwhere?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> !hardware
[18:39] <shadeslayer> bazinga
[18:39] <sheytan> shadeslayer, thank you very much :)
[18:40] <sheytan> this will be linked from a kubuntu site :)
[18:40] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:41] <dantti_work> apachelogger: do you have a better suggestion? deselect maybe?
[18:42] <apachelogger> dantti_work: "Don't change"
[18:43] <apachelogger> deselect sounds good though
[18:43] <Riddell> rbelem: I was wrong about http://paste.ubuntu.com/482969/ it needs "DejaVu Sans" changed to "Sans"
[18:43] <dantti_work> apachelogger: deselect with which icon do you suggest?
[18:43] <rbelem> Riddell, ok np ;-)
[18:43] <dantti_work> the undo one?
[18:44] <apachelogger> dantti_work: yep
[18:44]  * ryanakca wishes it were possible to receive a stack of Kubuntu CDs by Software Freedom Day
[18:44] <Riddell> rbelem: when is that?
[18:44] <Riddell> ryanakca
[18:44] <Riddell> not rbelem
[18:44] <rbelem> :-D
[18:44] <ryanakca> ... a few librarians at Uni are setting up an Ubuntu stand and giving out Ubuntu CDs, would be nice to give some Kubuntu ones out
[18:45] <Riddell> ryanakca: e-mail me your postal address and phone number
[18:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: SFD is Sept 18, but they're setting it up for Frosh week (where they greet all the new students), Sept 13-17
[18:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://gitorious.org/rekonq/rekonq-clone/commit/751103f77e64e1562de1b291d99ee1e262d0d5b4
[18:47] <apachelogger> splendid
[18:47] <apachelogger> except
[18:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are adding a line at the end ;)
[18:47] <shadeslayer> oh my
[18:48] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks. I'll dash accross campus and ask them if they'll let me setup an Kubuntu computer next to their Ubuntu ones... I don't mind setting it up, but there's no point unless they're interested in letting me join them :)
[18:48] <shadeslayer> fixed
[18:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: about:favorites goes by default to google search
[18:50] <shadeslayer> wha!
[18:50] <rbelem> Riddell, uploaded to revu :-)
[18:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same for all about: stuff :/
[18:50] <shadeslayer> fixing
[18:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://gitorious.org/rekonq/rekonq-clone/commit/1bd58ad4f6cf61e4b4dcab9def14eed58e5098d0
[18:55] <apachelogger> mhhh regex
[18:55] <apachelogger> no wonder my bar lags :P
[18:56] <shadeslayer> possibly
[18:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: open to suggestions
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/merge_requests/191#bc042edd7fcac53d9f0c3382aa160ae30ceda4a1-bc042edd7fcac53d9f0c3382aa160ae30ceda4a1@3 <<
[19:02] <shadeslayer> you are saved \o/ :P
[19:02] <apachelogger> how so?
[19:02] <shadeslayer> less of regex i see
[19:03] <apachelogger> where?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> 191 merge request
[19:03] <shadeslayer> http://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/merge_requests/191
[19:03] <apachelogger> where is less regex there?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> erm...
[19:04]  * shadeslayer points at the whole merge request :P
[19:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: newtabpage also uses KUrl compares
[19:06] <shadeslayer> oho
[19:09] <apachelogger> hm
[19:09] <apachelogger> oh
[19:09] <apachelogger> ha
[19:09] <apachelogger> hi
[19:09] <apachelogger> hu
[19:09] <apachelogger> hihihi
[19:09] <shadeslayer> that is fast :P
[19:09] <apachelogger> grep for "about:favorites" witness bad design
[19:09] <apachelogger> rekonq is a  super mark full of things to rant about
[19:09] <apachelogger> I love it for that
[19:10] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:10] <apachelogger> :O
[19:10] <apachelogger> QString address = "[\\d\\w-.]+\\.(a[cdefgilmnoqrstuwz]|b[abdefghijmnorstvwyz]|"\
[19:10] <apachelogger>         "c[acdfghiklmnoruvxyz]|d[ejkmnoz]|e[ceghrst]|f[ijkmnor]|g[abdefghilmnpqrstuwy]|"\
[19:10] <apachelogger>         "h[kmnrtu]|i[delmnoqrst]|j[emop]|k[eghimnprwyz]|l[abcikrstuvy]|"\
[19:10] <apachelogger>         "m[acdghklmnopqrstuvwxyz]|n[acefgilopruz]|om|p[aefghklmnrstwy]|qa|r[eouw]|"\
[19:10] <apachelogger>         "s[abcdeghijklmnortuvyz]|t[cdfghjkmnoprtvwz]|u[augkmsyz]|v[aceginu]|w[fs]|"\
[19:10] <apachelogger>         "y[etu]|z[amw]|aero|arpa|biz|com|coop|edu|info|int|gov|mil|museum|name|net|org|"\
[19:10] <apachelogger>         "pro)";
[19:10] <apachelogger> never
[19:10] <apachelogger> ever
[19:10] <apachelogger> in
[19:10] <apachelogger> my
[19:10] <apachelogger> life
[19:10] <apachelogger> have
[19:11] <apachelogger> I
[19:11] <apachelogger> seen
[19:11] <apachelogger> such
[19:11] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:11] <apachelogger> an abomination
[19:11] <shadeslayer> my god
[19:11] <shadeslayer> what is that
[19:11] <apachelogger> not only your's, mine too
[19:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: supposedly that is the regex that gets the address or something
[19:11] <nigelb> perl?
[19:11] <maco> O_o
[19:12] <apachelogger> clearly the part towards the end gets the TLD
[19:12] <nigelb> ah, regex for email
[19:12] <maco> no not email
[19:12] <emonkey> Riddell, Unfortunately my skills don't allow it, but if I find a day off I'll check if I'm able to learn it
[19:12] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:12] <apachelogger> nigelb: that is from our current default browser
[19:12] <maco> its looking for a URL where the letters of the alphabet are embedded in alphabetical order
[19:12] <nigelb> apachelogger: now you know why you should switch to firefox :p
[19:12] <maco> i think
[19:12]  * nigelb goes to bed.  For real.
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ^ me too..
[19:12] <apachelogger> well, it does general parsing very much since it is in the ctor of rekonqs UrlResolver
[19:13] <apachelogger> nights people
[19:13] <apachelogger> nigelb: I very much think same things are to be found in firefox
[19:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will continue this tommorow.. or if you want to fix, go ahead ;)
[19:13] <apachelogger> probably even worse
[19:13] <apachelogger> otherwise it couldnt eat that much mem
[19:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: protocolhandler also uses kurl compares
[19:14] <shadeslayer> brrrr
[19:14]  * shadeslayer greps for KUrl
[19:14]  * apachelogger is scared out of his pants
[19:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just grep for about: :P
[19:14] <apachelogger> everywhere that is used a == KUrl cant be far :P
[19:15] <apachelogger> also you can rejoice the bad design that lead to multiple occurances of this identifier :P
[19:15] <shadeslayer> gah
[19:19] <rbelem> apachelogger, where can i find docs for source-format 3?
[19:19] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: google debian wiki source format 3
[19:19] <DrKonqi> apachelogger: Results for debian wiki source format 3: 1. Projects/DebSrc3.0 - Debian Wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 | 2. RPM Package Manager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPM_Package_Manager | 3. 7-Zip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip
[19:19] <apachelogger> rbelem: man dpkg-source should also have some information
[19:20] <rbelem> cool
[19:20] <rbelem> apachelogger, thanks
[19:22] <sheytan> Hey, i heard some time ago, that the next ubuntu release will not support cpu older then i686. If it's true, same happens to kubuntu?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> erm
[19:23] <shadeslayer> we were going to get rid of some archs
[19:23] <shadeslayer> i64, armel, or some other arch
[19:24] <shadeslayer> but im not entirely sure :P
[19:24] <sheytan> let me ask the question other way. What should i put to 'processor' in kubuntu system requirements? :D
[19:24] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:24] <shadeslayer> no idea :P
[19:24] <sheytan> or maybe a lists like pentium4, c2d, c2q, i3, etc + some amd?
[19:24] <sheytan> or 'at least a ...  cpu' :D
[19:27] <maco> i686 or newer for 10.10
[19:27] <sheytan> thanks :)
[19:28] <sheytan> Will i be punished when i wirte that to use kubuntu users need at least 256mb ram, and recommended is 1GB? :D
[19:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ciao
[19:28] <sheytan> i mean, to run all that desktop effects stuff, 1gb is fine
[19:28] <shadeslayer> id say more like 512 MB or more
[19:28] <sheytan> on the cd case its 256 :D
[19:28] <shadeslayer> if theres only the default effects
[19:29] <shadeslayer> that should really be updated :(
[19:29] <shadeslayer> 512 MB is more like it
[19:29] <shadeslayer> anyways im off to sleep... cya tommorow :)
[20:26] <sheytan_> Does others have priettier hardware compability page then We will http://a.imageshack.us/img682/843/hard.png ? :D
[20:27] <Riddell> where will you get the information for it?
[20:27] <sheytan_> Riddell https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport :)
[20:28] <Riddell> hmm, dunno if that's at all reliable
[20:29] <sheytan_> well, it's always something :)
[20:29] <sheytan_> better then none :P
[21:01] <ari-tczew> Riddell: konversation notification (red baloon) doesn't work :(
[21:01] <rbelem> apachelogger, I think the package is ok now
[21:01] <ari-tczew> Riddell: I'm not sure whether it's a konversation issue, because there wasn't any konversation updates. maybe kde has something wrong?
[21:02] <Riddell> red baloon?
[21:02] <ari-tczew> Riddell: in tray, if someone ping me, then black icon is moving to red icon
[21:03] <ari-tczew> now it's not working
[21:03] <ari-tczew> I know about ping only through indicator applet
[21:16] <Riddell> ari-tczew: works for me once I turn on the system tray icon
[21:16] <Riddell> it's off by default
[21:19] <ari-tczew> Riddell: where is this one?
[21:21] <Riddell> ari-tczew: Behaviour->General in settings dialogue
[21:22] <ari-tczew> Riddell: I have enable system tray already :(
[23:50] <freeflyi1g> Riddell: SKIM is nearly useless nowadays under KDE4