[12:32] <tgm4883> I hate to ask, but is mythbuntu.org maybe possibly going to be up in the next week?
[12:33] <tgm4883> I only ask because alpha 4 is supposed to be out next thursday
[12:33] <superm1> i wish i had more updates to give regarding it
[12:33] <superm1> imbrandon was supposed to take care of things this last weekend
[12:33] <tgm4883> it is the same reason that REVU went down?
[12:34] <superm1> nope
[12:34] <tgm4883> ok
[12:34] <superm1> it's something completely sep
[12:34] <tgm4883> thats good I guess
[12:35] <tgm4883> we can still build the iso and do a torrent release right?
[12:36] <superm1> well i haven't done any local builds for a while since i've focused on this control centre
[12:36] <superm1> but assumingly yes
[12:36] <tgm4883> ok, sounds good.  Announcing it could be tricky no?  Rely on digg?
[12:39] <superm1> well i'll bug imbrandon again tomorrow as tomorrow is 2 weeks
[12:40] <superm1> i'd really hope things can be up and running in the near future
[12:40] <tgm4883> seconded
[12:42] <cornell> Hi superm1, how are you ding?
[12:43] <superm1> cornell, stressed a bit :)
[12:43] <cornell> Oh-no, anything I can do for you?
[12:43] <superm1> na, just sorting out a few odds and ends with the control centre that are taking longer than anticipated
[12:44] <cornell> Oh dear .. the odds and ends...  it's the little bits that bite you
[12:44] <superm1> yup
[12:44] <superm1> stuff like icons not showing up
[12:44] <superm1> and too much getting installed
[12:44] <superm1> the beef to the code is done though
[12:44] <cornell> I'm still trying to find my vg.
[12:45] <superm1> volume group?
[12:46] <cornell> Yeah... I don't know if you've been following... but I had a knoppmyth machine with a vg, I installed mythbuntu over the knoppmyth, and now I'm trying to get it to "see" the vg on the other partitions.
[12:47] <superm1> ah i see
[12:47] <superm1> you have the lvm utilities installed in mythbuntu?
[12:47] <cornell> lvm2
[12:47] <superm1> right
[12:48] <superm1> and vgdisplay isn't doing much for showing the contents?
[12:48] <cornell> "No volume groups found"
[12:48] <cornell> Same for vgscan and lvscan
[12:48] <superm1> well that's odd.
[12:49] <cornell> pvscan says "no matching physical volumes found
[12:49] <laga> re
[12:49] <laga> any news on mythbuntu.org? ;)
[12:49] <superm1> laga, nope :(
[12:49] <superm1> we should all go to imbrandon's house with torches and bang on his door i say
[12:51] <cornell> parted shows the partitions, /dev/hda,3 shows no Flags, but hdb1 says "lvm"
[12:55] <laga> superm1: heh
[12:55] <superm1> so are you missing the first drive in the group then?
[12:55] <superm1> or is that hdb1?
[12:55] <laga> superm1: i could call him and charm him wis se accent
[12:55] <superm1> see laga, if you were female, i'd believe you had that ability
[12:55] <superm1> but i dont think a male german accent will do
[12:56] <laga> sad
[12:56] <laga> now that would be fun. convince a bunch of german girls to call him
[12:56] <superm1> but i mean your welcome to try
[12:58] <superm1> tgm4883, you've got a gutsy vm you can play with a bit?
[12:58] <laga> we need to convince that ben guy to hand mythbuntu.org
[12:59] <tgm4883_laptop> not really, i just tried booting up the daily build from today and it freezes my vm
[12:59] <superm1> laga, does he have the domain still?
[12:59] <superm1> or who?
[12:59] <laga> what VM? virtualbox?
[12:59] <tgm4883_laptop> bendailey
[12:59] <tgm4883_laptop> virtualbox
[12:59] <laga> superm1: whois mythbuntu.org
[12:59] <superm1> right
[12:59] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: are you using their vboxvideo/vboxmouse drivers for X?
[12:59] <superm1> laga, you have one?
[01:00] <tgm4883_laptop> never got that far
[01:00] <tgm4883_laptop> the live cd is freezing
[01:00] <laga> superm1: yes
[01:00] <laga> tgm4883_laptop: hum. i installed mythbuntu, then upgraded
[01:00] <superm1> you mind giving the control centre a spin on it
[01:00] <superm1> and see how it works
[01:00] <laga> superm1: sure
[01:00] <superm1> i'll post it somewhere
[01:00] <tgm4883_laptop> control center on mythbuntu or gutsy?
[01:00] <tgm4883_laptop> because I have a mythbuntu vm
[01:00] <laga> mythbuntu is gutsy
[01:01] <tgm4883_laptop> right
[01:01] <superm1> either
[01:01] <superm1> actually both would be ideal
[01:01] <superm1> i've tested it in a littered gutsy vm
[01:01] <tgm4883_laptop> but gutsy daily wont boot but mythbuntu gutsy will
[01:01] <superm1> but that's it at this point
[01:01] <cornell> Question superm1:  I've found a reference, http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/appnote/19386.html ,  that suggests, after finding the device (/dev/hda3) and the uuid from pvscan (which I did before hand) I can do pvcreate --uuid myuuid /dev/hda3
[01:01] <cornell> Does that sound right, I don't want to trash the data on the disks
[01:01] <superm1> cornell, did knoppmyth use uuid's or device names before?
[01:02] <superm1> http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/mythbuntu-control-centre_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[01:02] <superm1> laga, tgm4883 ^
[01:02] <cornell> Well heres the result of vgcfgbackup: http://cornell.pastebin.com/m3a245c89
[01:03] <cornell> And my pvscan is here: http://cornell.pastebin.com/m5ff11af8
[01:03] <laga> hum. full screen in virtualbox leaves kicker visible. but only if the VM is run ning at the same res as my X screen (1280x960)
[01:03] <superm1> cornell, i would expect that to wipe the disk
[01:03] <cornell> The pvcreate?
[01:04] <superm1> because they describe that in solution 2
[01:04] <superm1> which is replacing the disk
[01:04] <superm1> with another disk
[01:04] <superm1> and then setting the uuid on it to make it fit
[01:04] <superm1> well er i would say there is a distinct possibility that may happen
[01:06] <cornell> Could I use vgcfgrestore, feeding it the output from the vgcfgbackup?
[01:09] <foxbuntu> evening superm1
[01:09] <cornell> Do I need to mount /dev/hda3 and /dev/hdb1 ?  Something simple like that?
[01:09] <superm1> cornell, not positive
[01:10] <superm1> cornell, no manually mounting the partitions doesn't do it
[01:10] <superm1> they need to be part of that group
[01:10] <superm1> can you dd the drive in question somewhere else?
[01:10] <superm1> and then attempt your pvcreate?
[01:10] <laga> superm1: "gdebi" is missing from the depends for the control centre.
[01:10] <cornell> Right... but vgscan, etc whatever... do they find stuff that's not mounted, superm1?
[01:11] <superm1> laga, ah right
[01:11] <superm1> i'll add that
[01:11] <superm1> cornell, yes
[01:11] <superm1> it does
[01:12] <cornell> K
[01:12] <superm1> laga, see stuff like that is easily overlooked
[01:13] <laga> superm1: you need to live in pbuilder
[01:13] <superm1> laga, it will build without gdebi
[01:13] <superm1> it just doesn't run without it
[01:13] <foxbuntu> superm1, oh running it isn't important
[01:13] <laga> note: i didn't say you need to build in pbuilder, i said you have to live in there ;)
[01:14] <cornell> I've found another one: http://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2003-March/msg00212.html , he describes using vgcfgbackup, then (after editing out the info for his dead drive) using that file to feed vgcfgrestore, then vgscan and vgchange -a y.  How's that sound, superm1?
[01:15] <laga> superm1: in the mysql tab: would it be possible to get more information if connection failed?
[01:15] <superm1> laga, like what?
[01:15] <superm1> cornell, that sounds much safer
[01:15] <laga> superm1: "timed out", "wrong password" etc
[01:15] <superm1> laga, python-mysql doesn't tell you much more than a success fail from what i've seen
[01:16] <laga> superm1: k
[01:16] <cornell> I can't keep screwing with this... and it's not like the data is irreplaceable... I'm diving in with the backup/restore/scan/change...
[01:16] <cornell> when I screw up the courage
[01:16] <cornell> ;-)
[01:16] <superm1> hehe
[01:16] <superm1> there you go
[01:16] <superm1> that's the spirit
[01:17] <tgm4883_laptop> you know what they say
[01:17] <tgm4883_laptop> if it ain't broke, you haven't played with it enough
[01:18] <laga> "if it ain't broke, you're not trying to get any work done"
[01:18] <laga> *sigh*
[01:18] <laga> my bitterness is fueled by broken software
[01:19] <tgm4883_laptop> if it is broke, then tgm4883 must have touched it
[01:19] <foxxbuntu> in my client's case, its more like "if aint broke, they don't own it"
[01:20] <superm1> foxxbuntu, you got a vm that you can tear loose with that app too?
[01:20] <tgm4883_laptop> so, if it is broke, cha-ching for foxxbuntu
[01:21] <foxxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, thats right...the place I work for charges alot too
[01:21] <foxxbuntu> :)
[01:21] <foxxbuntu> superm1, I could set one up
[01:21] <superm1> that's what i'm waiting for mine to install too :)
[01:21] <superm1> just finished downloading tribe 4
[01:21] <cornell> Gore I get nervous at times like this
[01:22] <foxxbuntu> ah...I loaded tribe 4 on my laptop earlier
[01:22] <superm1> well there you go
[01:22] <superm1> your good to go
[01:22] <tgm4883_laptop> maybe i should get tribe 4
[01:22] <foxxbuntu> oh what app are you talking about?
[01:23] <tgm4883_laptop> control center
[01:23] <superm1> http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/mythbuntu-control-centre_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[01:23] <foxxbuntu> ok
[01:24] <superm1> tgm4883, *centre* :)
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> whoops
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> my bad
[01:24] <foxxbuntu> yea its French...or something
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> i think we should call it center.  Isn't that what the revolutionary war was all about?
[01:25] <laga> zentrum
[01:25] <tgm4883_laptop> hey in a vm, should i install the alternate cd (in virtualbox) or will the reg cd wrok
[01:26] <laga> superm1: is it ready to be translated?
[01:26] <superm1> reg one works
[01:26] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[01:26] <superm1> laga, as long as it works :)
[01:26] <superm1> i've only tried it on feisty by backporting the gutsy pieces necessary and in a really dirty gutsy vm
[01:26] <laga> ooh, python backtrace
[01:27] <superm1> uh oh?
[01:27] <superm1> doing what/
[01:27] <laga> in the middle of downloading lots of packages.. eg installing the frontend, chaging to xubuntu role
[01:28] <superm1> that's really odd.....
[01:28] <laga> www.pastebin.ca/660410
[01:28] <laga> maybe i hit the X ubtton
[01:28] <laga> hum
[01:28] <superm1> well i didn't implement that function
[01:28] <superm1> lets see where it was needed
[01:28] <superm1> the show_alert only comes up when there is an error
[01:29] <laga> maybe it's trying to download a missing packaghe -> i need to apt-get update
[01:29] <laga> it's reproducible
[01:29] <superm1> yea i see the problem
[01:29] <superm1> let me fix it really quick and give you another deb
[01:30] <laga> you need a repo ;)
[01:30] <cornell> Here goes, wish me luck
[01:30] <laga> apt-get update fixed it
[01:31] <superm1> that missing textview_hig is something else though that needed to be fixed
[01:31] <superm1> and i wouldn't have caught unless a case like this happened :)
[01:31] <cornell> Dang...
[01:31] <tgm4883_laptop> tuxfamily repo?
[01:31] <cornell>   Parse error at byte 3 (line 1): unexpected token
[01:31] <cornell>   Couldn't read volume group metadata.
[01:31] <cornell>   Restore failed.
[01:32] <cornell> ops... top got truncated, nm
[01:32] <superm1> okay that issue is fixed at the same url
[01:33] <laga> superm1: would be cool if one could choose a mirror near them
[01:33] <cornell> mmm....
[01:33] <cornell>   Can't process text format file - unrecognised contents field.
[01:33] <cornell>   Restore failed.
[01:33] <superm1> laga, demands demands....
[01:34] <superm1> it uses the repo already configured for apt
[01:34] <laga> superm1: i was talking about apt. just a general rant, nothing about the control centre
[01:34] <laga> superm1: the control centre is great, btw. i'd print the source and take it to bed, but the GF might object to that
[01:34] <superm1> haha
[01:36] <laga> now it's hanging trying to download a file (still with the old .deb)
[01:36] <laga> it's probably trying to access mythbuntu.org
[01:36] <superm1> check netstat
[01:36] <superm1> you can replace the mythbuntu.org repo with another one temporarily that i have up
[01:37] <superm1> er wait for gutsy no
[01:37] <superm1> for feisty its up
[01:37] <cornell> I don't suppose anyone can tell me what's wrong with the vgcfgbackup file indicated in: http://cornell.pastebin.com/m3a245c89
[01:37] <cornell> ?
[01:37] <laga> hum
[01:37] <laga> VM's offline suddenly
[01:38] <superm1> cornell, i don't know for sure what it should be looking like
[01:38] <superm1> so no
[01:38] <laga> "no dhcpoffers received". *sigh*
[01:39] <cornell> I found it... when it truncated, it started with..nm I left out "Format" from the contents entry...
[01:40] <cornell> Now, I'm getting...
[01:40] <cornell>   PV /dev/hdb1 is a different format (seqno lvm2)
[01:40] <cornell>   Restore failed.
[01:43] <cornell> I'd looked at parted and saw it, now I parted, and I don't see /dev/hdb !?
[01:44] <cornell> Ah, I had to ask for it specifically (I don't remember that)
[01:44] <laga> why oh why has my networking in virtualbox just stopped working
[01:47] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, virtualbox?
[01:47] <laga> yes.
[01:47] <laga> www.virtualbox.org
[01:48] <tgm4883_laptop> do you have nat setup or real networking?
[01:48] <laga> nat is broken
[01:48] <laga> just setting up real networking again
[02:05] <foxbuntu> superm1, want to send that link again
[02:05] <foxbuntu> I had problems with my wifi there for a bit
[02:05] <superm1> http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/mythbuntu-control-centre_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[02:06] <foxbuntu> how big is the package?
[02:07] <foxbuntu> 32.6KB?
[02:07] <superm1> yea
[02:07] <foxbuntu> k
[02:08] <foxbuntu> just wanted to make sure I don't have strange shit going on still
[02:08] <foxbuntu> I am grabbing the remainder of update
[02:08] <foxbuntu> s
[02:08] <cornell> mmm.... I've found /etc/lvm/backup/vg created this evening.  It seems to be the same as my vgcfgrestore output...
[02:10] <cornell> woohoo!!!!   For reasons I don't understand, I did a vgscan.... It found the vg!!!!
[02:10] <superm1> wow awesome
[02:10] <foxbuntu> superm1, what kernel is tribe 4 using?
[02:10] <superm1> i dunno
[02:10] <foxbuntu> ok
[02:10] <foxbuntu> Im pretty sure I have it though, it did a partial distro upgrade today
[02:10] <cornell> woohoo!!!!   pvscan has results too!!!For reasons I don't understand, I did a vgscan.... It found the vg!!!!
[02:11] <cornell> ehhem.... woohoo!!!!   pvscan has results too!!!
[02:11] <foxbuntu> lol
[02:12] <foxbuntu> I love the package name for firefox now
[02:12] <laga> ok, this is annoying. g'nightz
[02:12] <laga> foxbuntu: what is it?
[02:13] <foxbuntu> laga, ubufox
[02:13] <laga> heh
[02:13] <laga> nice one
[02:14] <foxbuntu> superm1, brb...gotta reboot
[02:15] <cornell> Dang.... I think I've got it back!!!
[02:15] <cornell> What do I do now?
[02:16] <cornell> Ah, wait I remember...
[02:18] <cornell> It was, on the other machine, /myth.  I understand the default for mythbuntu is /lib/var/myth  (or something like that)... and my mySQL dump refers to /myth.  So...  I need to either 1. have it mounted as one with a symbolic to the other, or 2. change the default to /myth.  Opinions?
[02:18] <superm1> symbolic link is probably easiest
[02:19] <cornell> um... what is the default?  I don't have a /lib/var, could it be /var/lib ?
[02:19] <superm1> /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[02:19] <superm1> is where it goes i believe
[02:23] <cornell> Ok... I'm going to mkdir /myth and then mount /dev/vg/myth /myth and see what's there, sound like a good idea?
[02:24] <superm1> well no i say you do it this wya
[02:24] <foxbuntu> superm1, I have the control centre up
[02:24] <superm1> mount it to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[02:24] <superm1> and then make that a symlink to /myth
[02:24] <superm1> well either way
[02:24] <superm1> just make one of them a symlink
[02:24] <superm1> i'd say /myth since that is not LSB anyhow
[02:25] <cornell> Well... I don't know if there's a recordings directory already there.  So if I do /myth, I can ls -la and then symlink /var/lib/whatever to /myth....  oh... not LSB?
[02:25] <superm1> linux standards base
[02:25] <cornell> AH
[02:25] <foxbuntu> superm1, the AMDCC doesn't do anything
[02:26] <superm1> foxbuntu, then you don't have amdcccle installed
[02:26] <superm1> it should be greyed out
[02:26] <foxbuntu> ok
[02:26] <foxbuntu> but its not
[02:26] <superm1> it's not?
[02:26] <foxbuntu> nope
[02:26] <foxbuntu> I can click it
[02:26] <superm1> well do you have amdcccle installed?
[02:26] <cornell> Ok... of course I could create /var/lib/myth, mount and look and then add recordings later, if necessary
[02:26] <foxbuntu> not that I am aware of
[02:26] <superm1> well the /var/lib/mythtv/recordings directory is already there
[02:26] <superm1> foxbuntu, can you do ls /usr/bin/amd*
[02:26] <superm1> and see?
[02:27] <superm1> so that's why i was saying its probably easiest to mount it there and then just make your symlink
[02:27] <foxbuntu> ok its there
[02:27] <superm1> can you run it?
[02:27] <cornell> No, it's not.  But then I've not run myth setup
[02:27] <foxbuntu> I have /usr/bin/amdcccle
[02:28] <foxbuntu> nope its broken
[02:28] <foxbuntu> :)
[02:28] <superm1> okay so not the control centre's problem :)
[02:28] <foxbuntu> lol
[02:28] <foxbuntu> guess not
[02:28] <superm1> well mine works here
[02:28] <superm1> but i'm on a newer driver than exists
[02:29] <foxbuntu> oh this is sweet
[02:29] <foxbuntu> great work superm1
[02:29] <cornell> oo-ra!!!
[02:29] <cornell> I got data!!!!
[02:29] <superm1> :)
[02:29] <cornell> The directory, on the vg has some 19 directories in it (some are mine)
[02:29] <foxbuntu> superm1, great work on the control centre
[02:30] <cornell> So it should be under ..... /recordings?
[02:30] <superm1> foxbuntu, is it all working ? :)
[02:30] <foxbuntu> looks to be
[02:30] <superm1> i'm still waiting on my vm to finish installing
[02:30] <superm1> great
[02:30] <superm1> cornell, /var/lib/mythtv/recordings i think
[02:31] <cornell> Now... what should the permissions be.... whose the owner and group?
[02:32] <superm1> mythtv:mythtv
[02:32] <cornell> sudo chown  /var/lib/mythtv and /var/lib/mythtv/recordings?
[02:32] <cornell> oops... left out the mythtv:mythtv ;-)
[02:32] <superm1> just do it recursive
[02:32] <cornell> Ah -r
[02:32] <cornell> or -R
[02:34] <cornell> NOw.... load mySQL before, or after, running mythtv setup?
[02:34] <superm1> you mean your backup?
[02:35] <cornell> Yeah, I'd done a mysqldump before starting this
[02:35] <superm1> well you should do mythtv-setup here first i'd say
[02:35] <cornell> i.e. it points to /myth for the location of files, but has ... config parametres from the knoppmyth
[02:35] <superm1> and then copy in the tables you need from your dump
[02:36] <cornell> aH... TABLE BY TABLE COOLS
[02:36] <cornell> oops
[02:36] <cornell> my bad, caps lock
[02:37] <cornell> Ok... now, this is funky... the machines sitting at the mythbuntu desktop, there's an icon MythTV Setup... I click it, nada.  double-click, nada.
[02:37] <cornell> Oh... and do I have to change fstab or something to mount the vg when I reboot?
[02:39] <superm1> try launching it from a command line
[02:39] <superm1> right click the desktop
[02:39] <superm1> and type mythtv-setup
[02:39] <superm1> and see if that comes up as expected
[02:40] <cornell> Termnial emulator... sudo mythtv-setup command not found
[02:42] <cornell> without sudo... it says it's not installed, I should apt-get it.
[02:42] <superm1> it's not installed?
[02:42] <superm1> that's really odd
[02:42] <superm1> you did a backend/frontend install did you not?
[02:43] <cornell> I stand corrected, it suggests installing mythtv-backend.
[02:43] <cornell> Yes front and back, but I stopped before configuring myth
[02:43] <cornell> Shoudl I start mythtv-backend?
[02:43] <superm1> still should have been there.
[02:43] <superm1> really weird
[02:43] <superm1> you've hit some odd stuff in general
[02:44] <superm1> it starts for you after running mythtv-setup
[02:45] <cornell> Tell me about it...  First thing I did after the partial install, apt-get install openssh-server.  Ends up with list of names, and suggesting running autoremove.  I did, and whole pile of stuff went away.
[02:45] <superm1> ohh that's what happened
[02:45] <cornell> Should I do an apt-get install mythtv-backend and frontend?
[02:45] <superm1> yea that is something that was discovered later
[02:45] <superm1> don't autoremove :)
[02:45] <cornell> (and it turns out openssh-server was already there
[02:45] <cornell> :-(
[02:46] <superm1> that's gonna be fixed next alpha around (the marking of those apps)
[02:46] <superm1> as autoremovable
[02:47] <cornell> So what do I do now, some apt-gets, try the install again from the livecd, make a sacrifice to tux?
[02:48] <superm1> well with mythbuntu.org down, the easy way to install the meta to get it all back isn't availble
[02:48] <superm1> so it's a bit of a messy situation
[02:48] <superm1> so i'd say probably apt-get's
[02:48] <superm1> since you've got most of everythign else back
[02:48] <superm1> you lost all the fun preconfigured stuff that was supposed to be done for you :)
[02:48] <superm1> all the magic
[02:49] <cornell> Can I apt-get mythtv?  Or I do mythtv-backend, frontend etc.
[02:49] <tgm4883_laptop> :( no magic
[02:49] <superm1> yes that will work
[02:49] <cornell> apt-get install mythtv ?
[02:49] <superm1> yes
[02:50] <cornell> And... do I need to do something so that the /var/lib/mythtv/recordings gets re-mounted at reboot?
[02:51] <superm1> put it in your /etc/fstab
[02:52] <cornell> Can I do a mount and then see the line for it and copy into /etc/fstab ?
[02:52] <superm1> i dont think that gets you a perfect copy and paste
[02:52] <superm1> but you can use that data to write your line
[02:55] <cornell> Ok... I'd done a: sudo mount /dev/vg/myth /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[02:55] <superm1> so just follow the syntax in the /etc/fstab
[02:55] <cornell> but mount shows: /dev/dm-0 on /var/lib/mythtv/recordings type ext3 (rw)
[02:55] <tgm4883_laptop> what kind of magic do you have to pull on a fresh gutsy vm in virtualbox
[02:55] <superm1> it should be that first one, <TAB>, the second one <TAB> and then follow the others they have listed
[02:56] <cornell> Note the difference between /dev/dm-0 and /dev/vg/myth
[02:56] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, use a tribe 4 disk not a daily?
[02:56] <superm1> cornell, that's fine
[02:56] <tgm4883_laptop> i did
[02:56] <superm1> it's likely symlinking
[02:56] <tgm4883_laptop> it installed, i tried to install vbox additions, then rebooted and I got the error where it tries to start gdm 6 times
[02:57] <superm1> hm
[02:57] <superm1> i dunno what could have happened there
[02:57] <cornell> Ok, so the fstab line would be: /dev/vg/myth   /var/lib/mythtv/recordings ext3
[02:57] <tgm4883_laptop> well i'll reinstall it, no vbox additions this time
[02:58] <cornell> Any options, dump or pass?
[02:58] <superm1> i dont think so
[02:58] <cornell> Is rw the options?
[02:58] <superm1> defaults will do
[02:58] <superm1> just:
[02:58] <superm1> default
[02:58] <superm1> defaults
[02:59] <cornell> K
[03:00] <cornell> Ok, done.
[03:00] <cornell> So, now... in a terminal I can run sudo mythtv-setup, right?
[03:01] <cornell> (I did the apt-get installmythtv)
[03:01] <superm1> no sudo needed
[03:01] <cornell> K
[03:02] <cornell> Cool!!!
[03:02] <cornell> I'm in setup!!!
[03:07] <cornell> Frequency table... us-cable for normal analog cable
[03:08] <superm1> yes
[03:14] <cornell> Setting up isn't going to cause my existing recordings to delete will it, even though they're not in the database?
[03:17] <superm1> no reason it should
[03:18] <cornell> Now... Video source setup, that's where my listings come from,right?
[03:18] <superm1> yes
[03:18] <superm1> xmltv, zap2it, etc
[03:21] <cornell> I've entered zap2it userid/password... retrieve lineups?
[03:22] <superm1> yes
[03:22] <cornell> Ah... that's which zap2it lineup I want...
[03:22] <cornell> BTW, thank you superm1 ;-)
[03:23] <superm1> glad to be able to help cornell, it's a shame that you have to go through it the long route here though :S
[03:23] <cornell> I know I'm at the esasy stuff, well documented, but man, I am beat.
[03:23] <cornell> Thanks again
[03:24] <cornell> Scan for channels? Fetch channels from listings source?
[03:25] <superm1> fetch if its zap2it
[03:25] <cornell> K
[03:26] <cornell> Input priority... priorities in general... lower number is higher priority?
[03:26] <superm1> i usually leave them default
[03:27] <cornell> K
[03:27] <cornell> But... priorities in general... lower number is higher priority?
[03:27] <cornell> Or vice versa?
[03:27] <superm1> off hand i dont recall
[03:27] <cornell> K, thanks
[03:27] <superm1> i would innately think higher number is higher priority
[03:28] <cornell> Channel Scanner? Transport Editor?
[03:29] <superm1> don't worry about either
[03:31] <cornell> It said that channel two wasn't available on card 0, said it twice.  I think card 0 is the one that doesn't have a cable connection (the other card does), is that ok for now?
[03:33] <foxbuntu> superm1, umm
[03:33] <cornell> mythfilldatabase is running
[03:33] <superm1> foxbuntu, you hit a road block with it appearing to hang?
[03:33] <foxbuntu> I am looking at this thing with the new guide data provider
[03:33] <superm1> expand the dialog
[03:33] <superm1> that's what i was referring to by odds and ends
[03:34] <superm1> cornell, you can go in and manually change that if need be
[03:34] <cornell> I'll check tomorrow if it worked (in time for Dr Who, I hope)... I still have to load the mySQLDump (and hook up the other card)
[03:34] <superm1> loading that mysql dump, you'll have to be careful what tables you load
[03:34] <foxbuntu> superm1, the guide data provider has KnoppMyth as an allowed provider
[03:34] <foxbuntu> superm1, perhaps we need to get on that list
[03:34] <cornell> But it could come from there being no signal, cause there's no cable, right
[03:35] <cornell> RIght... gotto remember... load by TABLE, not database.
[03:35] <superm1> foxbuntu, it will have to be for gutsy +1, i'd like to have a solid release before looking for anything commercial
[03:35] <foxbuntu> http://www.schedulesdirect.org/approvedsoftware
[03:35] <cornell> I'll work on which tables later ;-)
[03:35] <cornell> TTFN
[03:35] <superm1> cya cornell
[03:35] <cornell> Thanks guys, superm1  especially.
[03:35] <foxbuntu> superm1, no this is the software they are listing at approved
[03:35] <cornell> Look for my wiki entry on lvm's ;-)
[03:36] <cornell> (but don't hold your breath) ;-)
[03:37] <superm1> foxbuntu, well our project URL is still down, so i wouldn't submit yet :)
[03:37] <foxbuntu> superm1, agree'd just thought we should jump on that list when we can
[03:37] <superm1> ya
[03:38] <foxbuntu> superm1, on that note as well I submitted a request to that ISP about getting rack space...so we will see what happens
[03:38] <superm1> awesome
[03:38] <superm1> i'm gonna call brandon again tomorrow since it's 2 weeks tomrrow
[03:38] <foxbuntu> superm1, another soultion might be a hosting service
[03:39] <foxbuntu> I have an awesome one too
[03:39] <superm1> a hosting service, as in paying?
[03:39] <foxbuntu> http://www.anhosting.com
[03:39] <foxbuntu> yea
[03:39] <foxbuntu> this is fairly cheap though
[03:39] <superm1> eh i'd really prefer not to pay
[03:39] <foxbuntu> i know
[03:39] <superm1> i put enough time into this project
[03:40] <foxbuntu> it would be a last resort
[03:40] <superm1> well if nothing else, we'll eventually be on the canonical servers
[03:40] <superm1> but that will be some time
[03:40] <superm1> since they have other things they are fixing
[03:40] <superm1> unrelated to us
[03:40] <foxbuntu> yea...the hacked servers perhaps
[03:40] <foxbuntu> ;)
[03:43] <foxbuntu> well without a server though this project is gonna lose ground with the community
[03:43] <superm1> i know
[03:44] <foxbuntu> that hosting service is only $7/month
[03:49] <foxbuntu> I mean if Brandon can't do anything for us any longer and its going to be a bit before we can get into the cononical servers and my contact doesn't work out...it would be worth while to put up a cheap website like this
[03:50] <superm1> i am just worried  that those are costs that won't be recovered, and by having something up already, be less apt to get another provider for free
[03:51] <foxbuntu> it is a catch 22
[03:52] <superm1> i'll see what brandon says tomorrow
[03:52] <foxbuntu> k
[03:52] <superm1> you see my point though
[03:52] <foxbuntu> yea
[03:53] <foxbuntu> either way we need to find our way to a stable server to sit on
[04:16] <foxbuntu> lol
[04:16] <superm1> haha
[04:17] <foxbuntu> superm1, see, its not what you know, its who you know
[04:17] <superm1> foxbuntu, what was the BW there again?
[04:17] <foxbuntu> I thought it was 3 DS3's
[04:18] <superm1> i *guess* that should suffice
[04:18] <foxbuntu> which a DS3 is 45MB each way
[04:18] <foxbuntu> its enough
[04:18] <superm1> that was a joke
[04:18] <foxbuntu> I know
[04:19] <foxbuntu> I am excited for this
[04:21] <superm1> you know i think the control centre is done
[04:21] <superm1> i can't seem to catch anything else going wrong now
[04:24] <foxbuntu> very nice
[04:24] <foxbuntu> on time as usual!
[04:24] <foxbuntu> lol
[04:25] <superm1> well i think i'm going to go eat really quick, and then give it a few more go's to make sure i can't identify any other oddities
[04:29] <foxbuntu> awesome
[04:29] <foxbuntu> ttyl
[05:07] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, i've got a newer control centre that fixes several issues when you're done updating
[05:07] <superm1> and ready to give it ago
[05:31] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, you know what...tonight I am the lee7 team member
[05:32] <tgm4883_laptop> hows that?
[05:33] <foxbuntu> I pulled some strings and called in a favor
[05:33] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[05:33] <foxbuntu> got us into a new data center and a newer server for free
[05:33] <foxbuntu> well I own the server, but the DC is still free
[05:34] <tgm4883_laptop> good news, so mythbuntu should be back up before alpha 4
[05:34] <foxbuntu> i hope so...I have to work out the details and get some new parts on rush order but I think I can make that happen
[05:35] <foxbuntu> superm1 was gonna call imbrandon tomorrow about getting the backup from the other server sent over so I can restore it
[05:36] <tgm4883_laptop> so you really are the 1337 one today
[05:36] <foxbuntu> the new sever is going to be much improved as well
[05:37] <foxbuntu> a 3200+ AM2 x64 RAID-1 SATA DUAL GB NICS
[05:37] <tgm4883_laptop> will the control center and such work on a gutsy desktop install?
[05:37] <foxbuntu> yes
[05:37] <foxbuntu> I tested that for superm1 tonight
[05:38] <foxbuntu> I am running the latest gutsy build
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> i just updated my gutsy vm
[05:38] <foxbuntu> I run it on the laptop I have everyday
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> wow
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> thats gutsy, pun intended
[05:38] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:39] <foxbuntu> it has been trying at times but...overall pretty good
[05:39] <foxbuntu> I have been running it like this for 3 or 4 weeks
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> i had to run feisty from about herd 3 or 4
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> i was having some hardware issues with edgy
[05:40] <foxbuntu> the newer kernel is gutsy is much improved
[05:40] <foxbuntu> I am much happier on gutsy from feisty
[05:42] <foxbuntu> it would be cool if gutsy got the 2.6.23 kernel in, but I don't think that will happen until gutsy+1
[05:43] <tgm4883_laptop> whens the kernel cutoff?
[05:44] <foxbuntu> I think its already passed
[05:44] <foxbuntu> and the rc for 2.6.23 just came out like 2 weeks ago
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> yea it was probably the debian import freeze
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> if not then it was definetly by todady
[05:45] <foxbuntu> yup
[05:45] <tgm4883_laptop> upstream version freeze
[05:46] <foxbuntu> oh, I didn't know that
[05:46] <foxbuntu> wow really close to next version
[05:46] <tgm4883_laptop> but im thinking it was the debian import freeze
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> unless
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> kernelfreeze?
[05:47] <tgm4883_laptop> oct 4th
[05:48] <foxbuntu> ah
[05:48] <tgm4883_laptop> could be?
[05:48] <foxbuntu> idk...I haven't looked at the dates in awhile
[05:49] <tgm4883_laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[05:50] <foxbuntu> I think I saw a post saying that the 2.6.23 wasn't going to be let in
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> a
[05:50] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:50] <foxbuntu> holy balls
[05:50] <foxbuntu> a client PC infected seriously with virus crap
[05:51] <foxbuntu> damn it...gonna be a long night
[05:54] <tgm4883_laptop> i hate when that happens
[06:05] <tgm4883_laptop> whats that link to the control center again?
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> anyone?
[06:10] <tgm4883_laptop> fine, you guys win
[06:11] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, whats the link to the control-centre
[06:11] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, let me grab it
[06:11] <superm1> http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/
[06:11] <superm1> its in there
[06:12] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks, i'll grab it when the vm reboots
[06:14] <superm1> brb
[06:20] <tgm4883_laptop> well i found something that probably works as intended, but is a little confusing to an end user
[06:26] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, few questions
[06:26] <tgm4883_laptop> about the control centre
[06:26] <superm1> yea
[06:27] <tgm4883_laptop> it's probably working as designed
[06:27] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, wow does gutsy suck on virtual box once you install the additions....
[06:27] <superm1> what's happening?
[06:27] <tgm4883_laptop> i haven't got the additions installed
[06:27] <tgm4883_laptop> i think it would break it again
[06:27] <superm1> i just made the mistake of installing them :)
[06:27] <tgm4883_laptop> anyway, I noticed that you can add a desktop to a mythtv installation
[06:28] <superm1> right
[06:28] <tgm4883_laptop> but if you try to switch to no desktop, all it removes is ubuntu-desktop so you still have the desktop
[06:28] <tgm4883_laptop> its a one way thing
[06:28] <superm1> well yes and no
[06:28] <superm1> because you can apt-get autoremove afterward
[06:29] <superm1> and then it will pull out all the automatically installed things from ubuntu-desktop
[06:29] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, but
[06:29] <superm1> i'm not too sure if the autoremovable stuff should be marked (or how to mark it for that matter)
[06:30] <tgm4883_laptop> If I had a FE/BE/desktop, then bought a new computer and wanted to remove the desktop and just have a FE/BE on the system
[06:30] <tgm4883_laptop> that wouldn't really do it
[06:30] <superm1> well you could just go to the autologin page
[06:30] <superm1> and hit enable autologin
[06:30] <tgm4883_laptop> right
[06:30] <superm1> and then it wouldn't boot into the desktop anymore
[06:31] <tgm4883_laptop> would it not?  Or would it just login as the user
[06:31] <superm1> i'm going to upload one more version, install it, and then "Try It" (TM)
[06:31] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[06:31] <superm1> okay it's uploaded
[06:31] <tgm4883_laptop> one more thing
[06:32] <superm1> yea
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> the mythstream package?
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> that should be in universe right
[06:32] <superm1> well not yet
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> right
[06:32] <superm1> it hasn't cleared binary NEW
[06:32] <superm1> or source NEW
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> but eventially
[06:32] <superm1> and anything not in the archive breaks this package really bad
[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:33] <tgm4883_laptop> just wondering
[06:33] <superm1> you might need to purge the old version before you install this one if it complains
[06:34] <tgm4883_laptop> control centre is installed by default in mythbuntu?
[06:34] <superm1> will be
[06:35] <superm1> and i'm adding the mythtv menu item for it right now
[06:35] <superm1> i want it to be the "way" to install mythtv from normal Ubuntu too ideally
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> I dont know if my Gutsy VM is messed up.  Is there a System > Preferences > Theme in gutsy like there is in Feisty
[06:41] <superm1> i think it got re-named
[06:41] <superm1> to something different
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:41] <superm1> but my gutsy vm is dead so i dunno
[06:42] <superm1> i'm debating updating my feisty laptop to gutsy now so that i can stop screwing around with VMs and personal backports
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> well it's nice that you can install the mythbuntu artwork onto a regular machine
[06:43] <superm1> well kinda -
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> although i cannot activate it as the theme
[06:43] <superm1> that only installs the gdm-theme right now
[06:44] <superm1> until the meta clears the archive
[06:44] <superm1> same problem as encountered if i was to put mythstream in there right now
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> but when it does, gdm should look like mythbuntu?
[06:45] <superm1> well right now, if you install that artwork package, and then activate automatic login, yes it does
[06:45] <superm1> after the meta clears, it should also do the usplash
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> well in any case, thanks to the control centre, i would like to revive this blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythbuntu-desktop
[06:48] <superm1> well how so?
[06:48] <superm1> i mean what goes on a mythbuntu-desktop then?
[06:48] <superm1> other than ubuntu desktop with mythbuntufied looks
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> exactly
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> its finished
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> but since it was a blueprint, it should be revived.  gives it a record, notifies the drafter
[06:49] <superm1> sure
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> basically its a moot point, but reviving it says that its implemented, not denied
[06:50] <superm1> well it's kinda implemented
[06:50] <superm1> i mean nothing goes through and sets all that default artwork setting
[06:50] <superm1> other than a normal install
[07:01] <superm1> okay well i added the support for mythstream, but commented out the lines that check for installation already and the lines that mark it for install/removal.  right before this gets uploaded to the archive, i'll remark those and things should be fine
[07:11] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, are you part of the PPA beta?
[07:11] <tgm4883_laptop> dont think so
[07:11] <tgm4883_laptop> ha, i guess that would be no
[07:12] <superm1> okay.
[07:12] <superm1> well i was gonna say maybe you can just push mythstream to a PPA for now
[07:12] <superm1> until it clears
[07:12] <superm1> i might use one to do the mythbuntu iso build
[07:13] <superm1> are you going to do any other plugins before the NEW package freeze?
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> whens the new package freeze?
[07:16] <tgm4883_laptop> off to bed, getting late here and some people are waiting on me
[07:16] <superm1> its the 30th
[07:16] <superm1> so you've got a little bit yet
[07:18] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, i'll start another one tomarrow.  Look though the unofficial ones and let me know if theres one that looks good to do
[07:18] <tgm4883_laptop> im leaning toward the MRE
[07:18] <superm1> i'll try'n take a look tomorrow
[08:50] <cann> morning =)
[08:54] <superm1> morning
[08:54] <superm1> hmm morning in some parts of world == me should be in bed soon :)
[08:56] <cann> hehe thats true =) its morning in sweden
[08:57] <cann> btw i just found out about your mythbuntu distro. i have been runing a custom install for about a year now and iam very excited to try this one out
[09:00] <superm1> cann, well as soon as we get out site back up, alpha 4 should be within a few days
[09:01] <superm1> so i'll def encourage you to to try that
[09:01] <superm1> if you give me a sec, i'm just finishing the screenshots for a piece that i was working on the last 2 days, you can take a sneak peak :)
[09:02] <cann> ohh sure thing =)
[09:04] <superm1> they are all here: http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre/
[09:06] <cann> nice ! this looks very good
[09:07] <superm1> ideally this can / will be used on both ubuntu and mythbuntu
[09:07] <superm1> so you don't have to sacrafice you're desktop role to take advantage of mythbuntu toys
[09:08] <cann> ok although i use a dedicated backend + frontend for it atm .. iam planing to expend it with 2 more frontends soon
[09:09] <cann> yeah i bet alot of people use myth on thier standard workstation
[09:09] <superm1> yea, that's what i was thinking
[09:09] <superm1> so try to help both crowds
[09:10] <cann> yepp very nice =)
[09:11] <cann> btw you know anyone that has installed this on a Via Epia system ?
[09:12] <superm1> ya some of the guys that are in here
[09:13] <superm1> if you were wondering about openchrome - just got that added to gutsy recently
[09:14] <cann> yepp was wondring about that hehe =)
[09:18] <cann> what window manager does mythbuntu use ?
[09:18] <superm1> openbox
[09:18] <cann> ok cool
[01:07] <cornell-w> Morning all
[01:08] <cornell-w> DaveMorris: With superm1's guidance, I got it going....  Got the lvm recognized, hooked up, went through the setup.  I still have to load the database, certain tables anyway, and symlink /myth to /var/lib/myth/recordings.  Then I'll be able to see if the frontend works ;-)
[01:10] <cann> morning
[01:16] <cornell-w> Hi cann, I don't suppose you're a channel op, are you?
[01:32] <laga> hum
[01:32] <laga> i should request op status, right
[01:40] <cann> cornell-w: nope sorry =/
[01:53] <cornell-w> I just mention because the topic should be changed... the last token is a link, and there's no blank before the \".  So if you click the link, you go to the MythTV" page on help.ubuntu.com, and there isn't one ;-)
[01:59] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[02:12] <laga> you can change that
[02:12] <laga> oh
[02:12] <laga> you can't, sorry
[02:12] <laga> this channel is +t
[03:16] <replman> Hi!
[03:17] <laga> hi replman
[03:17] <replman> i have some problems with my tt c-1500 card and mythtv
[03:17] <replman> hi laga :-)
[03:17] <replman> Do i have to load a kernel-module?
[03:18] <replman> under /dev there's not video0, but i can see a /dev/dvb/adapter0/*
[03:18] <laga> maybe
[03:18] <laga>  /dev/dvb/ would be the right thing
[03:18] <replman> so you think the card is installed?
[03:19] <laga> check dmesg
[03:19] <replman> [   32.472095]  DVB: registering frontend 0 (ST STV0297 DVB-C)...
[03:19] <replman> [   32.386668]  DVB: registering new adapter (TT-Budget-C-CI PCI).
[03:19] <replman> yes
[03:20] <replman> good idea :-)
[03:20] <replman> so how can i get mythtv run?
[03:21] <laga> um
[03:21] <laga> how can you *not* get it to run? what's missing?
[03:22] <replman> i only get a black picture
[03:22] <laga> what did you do?
[03:23] <replman> i ran mythtv-setup. in "tv cards" i chose "DVB DTV TV-Karte (v3.x)"
[03:24] <replman> is this right?
[03:25] <laga> yes
[03:25] <replman> then i chose dvb-cartnr 0, the line bellow shows "Frontend ID: ST STV0297 DVB-C)
[03:25] <replman> signal timeout 1000, tuning timeout 3000
[03:25] <replman> i didn't enter the diseqc and the recordingoptions-menu
[03:26] <laga> did you scan for channels?
[03:27] <replman> I used a channels.conf file
[03:27] <replman> when i do a channel-scan i get the message "Fehler beim Analysieren der Parameter"
[03:27] <laga> you need to enter some parameters when scanning for channels
[03:28] <laga> 15:19 < Falballa> laga: 'kabel' could be scanfrequenzen fuer kabel deutschland: 113.000.000 (frequency), 6900000 (symbol rate), qam64 (modulation)
[03:28] <laga> ^^ try that
[03:31] <replman> then i got a "Timeout Scanning Frequency 113.000.000 -- no signal"
[03:34] <replman> i'll be back in some minutes
[03:35] <laga> replman: i don't think you have to enter the dots
[03:36] <laga> superm1: i have just used the control centre to install mythweb. the "installing and removing packages" screen hangs because debconf is waiting for me to configure mythweb in the "installation details" screen.
[03:44] <laga> superm1: when i installed mythweb (fixes packages), php5 was not enabled. it was not a clean install, though..
[03:48] <jams> oh man  thats it, the whole control center is busted.
[03:48] <laga> oh no
[03:49] <laga> and you have to pay for EPG, too!
[03:49] <replman> laga: what do you mean with dots?
[03:49] <jams> it did everything for me except  install php
[03:49] <replman> ah, 113000000
[03:49] <laga> replman: 113.000.000 -> 113000000
[03:49] <laga> jams: seriously, it should install php
[03:50] <jams> yeah i agree
[03:50] <replman> laga: now i get "Timeout scanning frequency 113000000 -- no tables"
[03:50] <laga> replman: try a different transponder
[03:51] <laga> ffs, now it failed when upgrading to trunk
[03:51] <jams> laga i try hard to not enable php, but seems every things wants it.
[03:52] <laga> jams: mythweb does ;)
[03:53] <jams> i know, its the one app that forced me to install php in mythvantage.
[03:53] <jams> cursed it for days over that one.
[03:53] <jams> not that i didn't know it needed php, but it still irked me
[03:54] <laga> heh
[03:55] <laga> what's wrong with php, except for the security implications?
[03:58] <jams> probably nothing, but I put in the same class of perl.  Everybody uses it but I can't stand reading or writing the code.  Gives me an uneasy almost dirty feeling.
[03:59] <laga> you dont have to read the code
[03:59] <laga> just use it ;)
[04:00] <replman> laga: when i scan other transponders, mythtv throws a segmentation fault
[04:01] <replman> isn't there a easy way (without mythtv) to test if i get a signal? I also do not get vdr running :-(
[04:01] <gardengnome> replman: try kaffeine
[04:01] <gardengnome> or czap and friends
[04:02] <replman> oh, when i run kaffeine it finds my dvb card. An hour ago it didn't :-)
[04:02] <gardengnome> superm1: also, can you look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/rtc-video-timing ? very easy to implement, i'm just not sure where to put it
[04:05] <replman> when i do a channel search with kaffeine i see the signal@1%, SNR@2-4%. And locked is always green
[04:06] <gardengnome> replman: can you watch any channels?
[04:06] <replman> no
[04:07] <replman> with tv yes
[04:07] <gardengnome> ARD/ZDF?
[04:07] <replman> and with my dbox also yes
[04:07] <replman> in kaffeine i get no channels
[04:07] <replman> But the search is still running
[04:07] <replman> 30%
[04:08] <gardengnome> ah
[04:08] <gardengnome> let it finish then
[04:08] <replman> yes
[04:11] <gardengnome> superm1: why i can i choose a user for auto-login in the control centre? isn't "mythtv" used all the time?
[04:14] <replman> Uh, 75%...
[04:17] <replman> search finished but no channels were found :-(
[04:18] <replman> Do you think the quality of my signal is to bad?  Have to move my pc :-)
[04:21] <replman> cu! Thank's alot!!!
[04:21] <gardengnome> ;)
[04:22] <superm1> gardengnome, you here?
[04:22] <superm1> regarding that issue you ran into
[04:23] <superm1> i've got a workaround in the control centre already
[04:23] <superm1> http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythbuntu-control-centre/mythbuntu-control-centre_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[04:23] <gardengnome> yes
[04:24] <gardengnome> ah, didn't know you had a ppa already
[04:24] <superm1> yea i've been messing with it
[04:24] <superm1> i put a weekly build up there too
[04:24] <superm1> there are some quirks to using it
[04:24] <superm1> but i think i've got them managed enough that i can use the thing for such purposes
[04:24] <superm1> i set up the cd build script to use it too
[04:25] <gardengnome> cool stuff
[04:25] <superm1> so if you get that trunk stuff fixed, we can keep the weekly builds on one ppa for fixes and one for trunk
[04:25] <superm1> (you can't put them both on the same PPA)
[04:26] <gardengnome> right. just fixed another bug in the mythweb package
[04:29] <superm1> gardengnome, does it affect -fixes too?
[04:29] <superm1> or just trunk
[04:30] <gardengnome> just trunk..
[04:30] <superm1> okay good
[04:30] <gardengnome> you can look at the change, but i dunno if there's a similar thing in fixes
[04:32] <superm1> did you push it to launchpad
[04:32] <gardengnome> yes
[04:32] <superm1> okay updating right now then
[04:33] <superm1> gardengnome, now about the auto login, that was something to be changing this upcoming alpha
[04:33] <superm1> so that the user who launches the control centre has permissions to launch the control centre
[04:34] <gardengnome> ah
[04:34] <gardengnome> right
[04:34] <superm1> /usr/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre is really a wrapper script
[04:34] <gardengnome> any ETA on alpha 4?
[04:34] <superm1> that checks for root, and then gksudo, and then kdesu
[04:34] <superm1> and chooses one
[04:34] <superm1> well i did an ISO build locally after i got that PPA up, but ubiquity looks fsck'ed
[04:35] <superm1> i haven't investigated
[04:35] <gardengnome> any possibility to kill that window with a remote? :)
[04:35] <superm1> i'd really like to be able to
[04:35] <superm1> i'm not sure how to feasibly do it though
[04:36] <superm1> really i'd love to be able to control it from a remote
[04:36] <superm1> but that's asking for trouble i think
[04:36] <gardengnome> hum
[04:36] <gardengnome> there are a few possibilities
[04:36] <superm1> unless of course
[04:36] <superm1> http://pylirc.mccabe.nu/
[04:36] <gardengnome> dbus/irkick (i think), lircmd...
[04:41] <superm1> hm pylirc isn't in ubuntu
[04:41] <superm1> that makes it a bit less convenient to use
[04:42] <gardengnome> is the current control centre UI suitable for a media centre? ten foot interface etc?
[04:43] <superm1> well i haven't tried it in a mythbuntu env yet or on my TV
[04:43] <gardengnome> neither have i
[04:44] <gardengnome> but i already know that default fonts are a bit too small usually
[04:44] <gardengnome> maybe i'll try later, but i'm hacking on SiS support right now
[04:44] <superm1> oh that font scaling is going to be trouble
[04:44] <superm1> because i constrained things into a 800xYYY window
[04:44] <superm1> to make sure it worked in virtual box and low resolution env
[04:45] <gardengnome> my irtual box is running at 1280xYYY ;)
[04:45] <superm1> you got the virtual box video driver working??
[04:45] <gardengnome> yes
[04:46] <superm1> once i enabled it and put that fix in for xinerama, it came up a little futher
[04:46] <superm1> but still died
[04:46] <gardengnome> you need one additional fix
[04:46] <gardengnome> ah
[04:46] <gardengnome> just installed libstdc++5
[04:46] <gardengnome> that should help
[04:46] <gardengnome> some helper app used by X depends on it AFAIK
[04:47] <superm1> ah figures
[04:47] <superm1> something silly like that
[04:47] <gardengnome> heh
[04:47] <gardengnome> that's what you get for running pre-production software
[04:48] <gardengnome> they changed something in the host interface networking it seems, i need to re-vise my setup
[04:48] <replman> ok, that was not the problem
[04:51] <tgm4883> arg, am I the only one that wants a metallic case sticker?
[04:51] <superm1> gardengnome, http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mythbuntulivefz0.png
[04:52] <superm1> that is how it looks
[04:52] <superm1> in a mythbuntu env
[04:52] <superm1> well live env
[04:52] <gardengnome> tgm4883: mythtv ones?
[04:52] <gardengnome> superm1: who was on that artwork team again? :)
[04:53] <tgm4883> ah, hadn't though of that, I was just looking for Metallic Ubuntu ones
[04:53] <superm1> yea that gtk theme really really needs to be fixed
[04:53] <tgm4883> I was looking the the canonical store, don't really want to go the ebay route
[04:53] <tgm4883> But the canonical store doesn't have any
[04:53] <tgm4883> I shot them an email
[04:54] <tgm4883> And is it just me, or do all the pictures for ladiers shirts (everywhere) always use maniquins with huge perky knockers
[04:56] <tgm4883> Only place I have found the Metallic ones is ebay
[04:56] <gardengnome> python/glade is confusing.
[04:56] <gardengnome> but i'm beginning to understand how it works
[05:00] <gardengnome> what's wrong with boobs, btw?
[05:00] <tgm4883> nothing
[05:00] <tgm4883> I just wondered who was modeling these shirts
[05:00] <tgm4883> and what her phone number is
[05:01] <superm1> http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mythbuntuliveinmythtvsk0.png
[05:01] <gardengnome> that's a valid question
[05:01] <superm1> there it is launched from mythtv
[05:01] <gardengnome> another iulius user :)
[05:01] <superm1> in VM's ya
[05:01] <superm1> it's very light weight
[05:02] <gardengnome> i use it on my low-memory frontend
[05:02] <tgm4883> can you control it with remot?
[05:02] <superm1> not currently
[05:02] <replman> gardengnome: if i run czap ZDF -c .klear/KabelBW-dvbc.channels.conf i get a signal of 0331, snr arround 06bf. When i remove the cable i get a signal of 0000. Is 0331 to low? Can you imagine what's wrong?
[05:02] <tgm4883> possible though
[05:02] <superm1> and it fits very poorly into that 800xYYY window
[05:03] <superm1> tgm4883, how to work out doing that is going to be trouble :)
[05:03] <tgm4883> not to try and make more work, but if it was a mythtv plugin, that would fix the res and remote problem
[05:03] <tgm4883> or even a mythweb plugin
[05:04] <tgm4883> arg, stupid internet
[05:04] <gardengnome> mythtv plugin? ask jams about that, he knows it all ;)
[05:04] <gardengnome> mythui is a PITA according to him ;)
[05:05] <tgm4883> well thats no good then
[05:05] <gardengnome> replman: sorry, i can't help you there, running out of knowledge and time.
[05:05] <gardengnome> replman: www.vdr-portal.de - search that forum.
[05:05] <gardengnome> replman: but keep using mythtv, ya hear me? :)
[05:06] <jams> superm1-  what you have is good work.  I suggest you go with it and revisit the topic later
[05:07] <replman> gardebgnome: Thank you!!
[05:07] <tgm4883> although I suppose I would have 14 days before I run out of scheduling
[05:07] <jams> gardengnome-  it was a learning experiance thats for sure.  If i lost it all I probably wouldn't start over.
[05:07] <superm1> jams, yea if anything, a second frontend would be created as a mythplugin
[05:08] <superm1> so you could use the pyGTK variant outside myth
[05:08] <superm1> and then the plugin variant inside
[05:08] <superm1> but I can already forsee the coding nightmare there :)
[05:08] <gardengnome> yup
[05:08] <jams> right..the mythui doesn't work well for your plan of both desktop/mythbox
[05:09] <gardengnome> superm1: we should be able to fix the UI. no worries. or use VNC for now.
[05:09] <tgm4883> X forwarding?
[05:09] <gardengnome> harder to set up
[05:09] <superm1> with mythui also, I don't have nice things like python-apt for apt cache info and stea... er inheriting gdebi's install methods
[05:09] <gardengnome> unless over SSH
[05:09] <jams> superm1-  how does the control centre work now?  Does it interact directly with the OS?
[05:10] <superm1> it interacts with python-apt
[05:10] <tgm4883> of course over SSH, is there any other way ;)
[05:10] <superm1> to determine what's installed
[05:10] <jams> ah
[05:10] <superm1> and queries files in /etc for settings
[05:11] <gardengnome> superm1: in a GtkComboBox, how do i select the value of the menu entry that's selected? the code i'm looking at suggests that it's using indices of some kind.
[05:11] <jams> and those files in /etc are standard unbunta files?
[05:11] <superm1> gardengnome, in glade, or in python you are wondering?
[05:11] <gardengnome> superm1: python
[05:11] <superm1> jams, the flies in /etc it looks for are:
[05:11] <superm1> /etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf
[05:11] <superm1> /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[05:11] <superm1> /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[05:11] <superm1> /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[05:11] <superm1> /etc/exports
[05:12] <superm1> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:12] <superm1> and i think that's it
[05:12] <jams> got it,  standard files
[05:12] <superm1> gardengnome, self.combo_box_name.set_active(0)
[05:12] <superm1> or 1 or what not
[05:12] <superm1> the only non standard one i would see there are is /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[05:12] <superm1> that is something specific to debian and ubuntu
[05:12] <superm1> and ubuntu's version has some improvements over the debian version
[05:12] <jams> right
[05:13] <superm1> the remote database is built from lirc.hwdb (which was introduced by lirc 0.8.2)
[05:13] <gardengnome> superm1: .set_active or .get_active?
[05:14] <superm1> gardengnome, if you want to query which one is active, .get_active() returns an integer
[05:14] <superm1> .set_active(NUM) sets the current active item
[05:14] <superm1> gardengnome, mind you i just spoke with ubiquity guys, they broke a lot of it in one of the past releases
[05:14] <gardengnome> superm1: ah, and it's my job to map the integer to something usable
[05:15] <gardengnome> superm1: i should be able to backport my changes to something stable quite easily
[05:15] <superm1> gardengnome, now if you want to add items to the ComboBox in python
[05:15] <superm1> you do it like this
[05:15] <superm1>                             self.remote_driver.append_text(ITEM)
[05:16] <superm1> and it automatically gets put at the next higher number than what is there
[05:16] <superm1> but if you know the option will always be there, then just add it to glade
[05:16] <gardengnome> yes, i was going to do that
[05:17] <superm1> if you look at the control centre, i have a big function that resets all of the GTK settings in the app, and initially it was because i didn't trust glade to do it, but i've overcome that opinion and now its for convenience.  when revert is pressed, the GUI is reset and everything is recalculated
[05:17] <gardengnome> cool
[05:21] <gardengnome> 17:12 < GreyFoxx> I patched my own and it's working with the new feed, so I'm sure he will have the official patch ready "soon"
[05:21] <gardengnome> tgm4883: ^^ looks like they already have a test feed
[05:22] <tgm4883> test feed for?
[05:22] <superm1> schedules direct
[05:22] <tgm4883> ah
[05:23] <superm1> any ETA on this patch, so we can put it into SRU's for the ubuntu packages?
[05:23] <tgm4883> sweet
[05:23] <superm1> er at least ETA for packagers
[05:23] <gardengnome> superm1: i'm being a bit stupid here. looking at stuff like "17:12 < GreyFoxx> I patched my own and it's working with the new feed, so I'm sure he will have the official patch ready "soon"
[05:23] <gardengnome> gah.
[05:23] <gardengnome> superm1: i'm being a bit stupid here. looking at stuff like "17:12 < GreyFoxx> I patched my own and it's working with the new feed, so I'm sure he will have the official patch ready "soon"
[05:23] <gardengnome> hum
[05:23] <gardengnome> ah
[05:23] <gardengnome> i haven't enabled copy&paste for the VM yet.
[05:24] <superm1> i didn't type what i thought i did either
[05:24] <superm1> i meant to ask if this breaks zap2it
[05:24] <superm1> eg replaces it
[05:24] <tgm4883> sounds good, I just hope they can burn through their list of people
[05:24] <tgm4883> customers
[05:25] <tgm4883> since they are taking them in groups of 100
[05:25] <gardengnome> superm1: scripts/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-drivers uses strings to refer to tv standards etc while mythbuntu-ui.y uses integers. where does mapping between inter<->string take place?
[05:25] <gardengnome> 17:12 < GreyFoxx> I patched my own and it's working with the new feed, so I'm sure he will have the
[05:25] <superm1> hehe
[05:25] <gardengnome>                   official patch ready "soon"
[05:25] <gardengnome> 17:14 < Cardoe> GreyFoxx: yeah but you cheat and have access to the SD data already.. the rest of us
[05:25] <gardengnome>                 don't.. ;)
[05:25] <gardengnome> 17:15 < GreyFoxx> I think there might be a first 100 users test starting this weekend
[05:26] <gardengnome> 17:15 < GreyFoxx> I saw the words first come first served heh
[05:26] <gardengnome> superm1: it'll replace zap2it, yes. danielk is working on it
[05:26] <gardengnome> 17:16 < Cardoe> would be nice if distro packagers could get into that...
[05:26] <gardengnome> 17:16 < Cardoe> so that we could ensure we're shipping a decent package for users
[05:26] <superm1> ideally this weekend would be good to prepare the SRU's
[05:26] <superm1> and do all the test builds
[05:28] <gardengnome> superm1: seen my question?
[05:28] <superm1> ah you were looking for an answer :)
[05:28] <superm1> the mapping takes place in glade
[05:28] <superm1> it's a bit hard coded
[05:29] <superm1> if you open the glade file and look at that combo box
[05:29] <superm1> you'll see the options listed there in a static order
[05:29] <gardengnome> yes
[05:29] <gardengnome> i've already added my own combo box and added an entry: "sis"
[05:30] <gardengnome> how do i access the string from python, though?
[05:30] <jams> ack sis
[05:30] <gardengnome> jams: pundit-s *shrug*
[05:30] <superm1> get_active_text()
[05:31] <superm1> i think
[05:31] <gardengnome> thanks
[05:31] <gardengnome> i might as well rtfm
[05:31] <superm1> there is a pyGTK API out there
[05:31] <superm1> that's how i learned most of what i know about it
[05:32] <gardengnome> thanks
[06:06] <gardengnome> of FFS
[06:07] <gardengnome> virtualbox froze on me and i didn't save my glade changes
[06:08] <superm1> haha
[06:08] <superm1> and the moral of the story is?
[06:08] <gardengnome> the amount of random b0rkage is getting annoyingly high
[06:08] <gardengnome> superm1: "use freebsd"
[06:08] <superm1> haha
[06:11] <gardengnome> is the control centre ready to be translated, btw?
[06:12] <superm1> gardengnome, i'd say so
[06:12] <gardengnome> cool
[06:12] <gardengnome> expect a translation then soon
[06:12] <superm1> i'm still not sure how you work all the translation stuff into it
[06:12] <superm1> but if you can do it
[06:12] <gardengnome> did you see my rtc-video-timing blueprint?
[06:12] <superm1> then by all means :)
[06:12] <superm1> No?
[06:12] <gardengnome> superm1: well, translation support is done and committed i think?
[06:12] <superm1> does it work right?
[06:13] <gardengnome> i think so
[06:13] <gardengnome> only tested it briefly, but got some strings to change
[06:13] <gardengnome> i don't think i can translate the menu on the left yet, but that's not crucial
[06:13] <gardengnome> superm1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/rtc-video-timing
[06:14] <superm1> gardengnome, can /etc/sysctl.conf source other files?
[06:15] <gardengnome> hum
[06:15] <gardengnome> man 5 sysctl.conf doesn't mention such a thing
[06:15] <gardengnome> but we could set it at boottime
[06:16] <gardengnome> man 8 sysctl
[06:16] <superm1> well question would be why isn't it done by default?
[06:16] <superm1> is there a negative side effect?
[06:17] <gardengnome> i have no clue. AFAIK
[06:17] <superm1> well that needs to be investigated then
[06:17] <gardengnome> , it lets the user choose a higher frequency/granularity
[06:20] <gardengnome> how could it have a negative impact?
[06:20] <gardengnome> it just raises a limit
[06:20] <superm1> well if it doesn't have a negative impact, why isn't it default in the kernel config :)?
[06:21] <gardengnome> conspiracy?
[06:26] <superm1> perhaps, but i think #ubuntu-kernel would have to verify that
[06:27] <gardengnome> hum
[06:28] <gardengnome> i'm trying to run my hacked ubiquity now (having installed the .deb), but it just throws me back to the shell with no error message
[06:28] <gardengnome> anything i can do to debug?
[06:29] <superm1> i just asked there :)
[06:29] <laga> cool, thanks
[06:29] <superm1> how did you run it?
[06:29] <superm1> sudo ubiquity mythbuntu-ui?
[06:29] <superm1> sudo ubiquity mythbuntu_ui?
[06:30] <laga> yes, or sudo /usr/lib/ubiquit/bin/ubiquity
[06:30] <superm1> well if you do it via sudo /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity mythbuntu_ui, things should backtrace if something goes wrong i think
[06:31] <laga> nope
[06:31] <laga> no output
[06:35] <superm1> try launching the gtk interface
[06:35] <superm1> to see if you broke the mythbuntu one
[06:37] <laga> gtk one works. i haven't changed a lot so it should be easy to track down
[06:38] <superm1> you might consider pulling the latest branch too
[06:43] <laga> this checkout is from yesterday. hum
[06:44] <laga> i had a technician come over this morning to fix the washing machine. he told me it was OK. i've just found it in a catatonic state again
[06:44] <laga> i should have stayed in bed ;)
[06:45] <laga> looks like Sd will be available before the cut-off
[06:49] <superm1> the thing that worries me about doing a SRU is the effect that anyone on ubuntu packages has to switch to zap2it early
[06:49] <superm1> *from
[06:52] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, you around?
[06:52] <laga> oh
[06:52] <laga> hum
[06:53] <laga> superm1: they can still use the grabber, but that involves manual setup
[06:53] <superm1> the grabber as in zap2it?
[06:53] <superm1> via xmltv_dd?
[06:53] <laga> tv_grab_na_dd or so
[06:53] <superm1> ah right
[06:54] <superm1> keescook, i didn't see mythtv and mythplugins get posted to the changes list yesterday or in the gutsy NEW queue, did you make sure they were dput to the right place?
[06:55] <keescook> superm1: let me double-check...
[06:55] <keescook> er, wtf...
[06:55] <keescook> I got emails about it...
[06:56] <keescook> crap.  what happened to them??
[06:56] <superm1> emails as in FTBFS?
[06:56] <superm1> or in ACCEPTED?
[06:56] <keescook> no, like, accepted.
[06:57] <keescook> did the lirc thing go in?
[06:57] <superm1> yes
[06:57] <superm1> that is on -changes
[06:57] <keescook> Successfully uploaded mythtv_0.20.1+fixes14194-0.0ubuntu1.dsc to upload.ubuntu.com.
[06:57] <superm1> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-August/thread.html
[06:57] <keescook> etc
[06:57] <superm1> since they are multiverse, they have to be acked by someone before they go to -changes?
[06:58] <superm1> or something to that effect?
[06:58] <keescook> it should be between  Accepted python-launchpad-bugs 0.2~r40 (source)   Kees Cook  and Accepted bughelper 0.2~r184 (source)   Kees Cook
[06:59] <superm1> weird.  there are 3 others between there
[07:07] <juliux> hi all
[07:07] <superm1> hi juliux
[07:07] <juliux> just a general question, can i use mythtv also with an analog tv card?
[07:08] <superm1> yes
[07:08] <juliux> cool
[07:08] <juliux> later i will switch to a dvb-t usb stick
[07:09] <juliux> but if i want record one channel and watching an other channel i need to devices right?
[07:39] <superm1> juliux, yes you'll need two devices then
[07:39] <superm1> unless you are watchign a recording
[07:40] <juliux> ok
[07:40] <juliux> but my first impression is that mythtv is a little bit slow
[07:40] <juliux> so i think i will only use it for recording
[07:41] <superm1> slow as in channel changing?
[07:41] <superm1> or slow as in what?
[07:42] <juliux> the frontend is slow
[07:42] <superm1> use a more lightweight skin if you can
[07:42] <juliux> ok
[07:42] <juliux> i will try it after my dinner;)
[07:47] <tgm4883_laptop> juliux, what system specs
[08:02] <superm1> laga, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3842#comment:1
[08:02] <superm1> that is where the patches will show up
[08:04] <superm1> keescook, when i prep the SRU's for edgy and feisty, do you think I should also update them to the newer packaging in gutsy, or just apply that one patch?
[08:14] <juliux> tgm4883, amd athlon xp 2400+ with 786mb ram
[08:26] <jams> laga-  any word on purple galaxy?
[08:40] <cornell-w> juliux: for what it's worth, when I started with mythtv, with knoppmyth, watching it on a monitor, it was slow... there were some tweaks, which I don't remember, and it was fine.  And the machine is slower than yours.
[08:41] <juliux> cornell, i think i will use mythtv only for recording and with out a frontend
[08:41] <juliux> i hope my via epia 800mhz 386mb ram is fast enough for recording a dvb-t stream
[08:43] <laga> jams: i dont think i emailed the guy yet
[08:58] <cornell-w> juliux: here's my experience with my first working setup...  http://www.cplug.net/wiki/Knoppmyth_for_a_dummy
[08:58] <juliux> cornell-w, thxs
[08:59] <superm1> i just dist-upgraded to dev laptop gutsy.  everything looks like it suddenly has a nice polish.  is this a new GTK version or what?
[08:59] <cornell-w> You'll be interested, perhaps, in "Oops, Not Quite"  "No Video", toward the bottom
[09:04] <laga> superm1: shiny 3d effects?
[09:04] <superm1> i dont know if that's what it is
[09:04] <superm1> all the widgets look pretty
[09:05] <foxbuntu> superm1, afternoon did you get a chance to talk to imbrandon today?
[09:05] <superm1> foxbuntu, i called his number, but he is either "out of the service area or his phone is off"
[09:05] <superm1> i'll keep trying throughout this afternoon
[09:05] <superm1> foxbuntu, you going to the state fair today?
[09:06] <foxbuntu> superm1, my folks were talking about it, they have some free tickets for me...but I am not sure if I want to even go
[09:06] <foxbuntu> superm1, why?
[09:06] <superm1> free tickets eh?
[09:06] <superm1> well i was gonna head there this afternoon
[09:06] <foxbuntu> superm1, oh no...your turning into an Iowa redneck
[09:07] <superm1> na.  i just need some of your kind of people's food
[09:07] <foxbuntu> lol...food is pretty great there isn't it
[09:07] <foxbuntu> true fat man food
[09:07] <foxbuntu> deep fried oreo's
[09:07] <jams> heh
[09:08] <jams> worth trying at least once
[09:08] <laga> o_O
[09:08] <superm1> i was hoping for deep fried pickles.  they had that at the minesota faire
[09:08] <superm1> they were good...
[09:08] <superm1> brb, gonna reboot into a gutsy kernel :)
[09:08] <jams> don't think your gonna find that at the iowa fair
[09:15] <superm1> woah i feel so out of place now.  it wacked up all my fonts oddly
[09:15] <superm1> and i can't get over this polish on all my gtk apps
[09:15] <superm1> crazyness
[09:16] <laga> it's ok
[09:16] <laga> we're here for you
[09:17] <foxbuntu> superm1, its ok...if I can do it, you can too ;)
[09:17] <superm1> where did System->Preferences->Theme go?
[09:17] <foxbuntu> system > pref > appearance
[09:17] <laga> see: that's why i use kubuntu. it's nowhere as polished as ubuntu IMHO ;)
[09:19] <Mirage> why do you need polish and neat gtk effects for running a dvr?  just something else to eat memory and slow down performance
[09:19] <foxbuntu> Mirage, we don't use the package ubuntu-desktop with Mythbuntu
[09:19] <superm1> Mirage, this is just my dev laptop i upgraded, not a mythbuntu install :)
[09:20] <foxbuntu> and the debian kernel 2.6.22 is much improved in memory handleing from previous generations
[09:20] <Mirage> ah, ok
[09:20] <foxbuntu> superm1, so your up to 2.6.22-9 now?
[09:20] <superm1> yea
[09:21] <foxbuntu> you like the performance diff or have you even noticed one yet?
[09:21] <superm1> haven't noticed yet
[09:21] <tgm4883_laptop> noticed what?
[09:21] <foxbuntu> oh, well you have a newer laptop too so
[09:21] <superm1> oh i've gotta go though.  i'll be back after the faire
[09:22] <foxbuntu> I noticed one right away on my older hardware
[09:22] <foxbuntu> ok
[09:22] <foxbuntu> superm1, who are you going with?
[09:22] <superm1> some school friends
[09:22] <foxbuntu> aight
[09:22] <foxbuntu> well have fun...I will catch you later
[09:36] <beavis_> hi guys, I installed trunk packages build with help of your debian/*. I used make install for months now without problems but with the packages I can't start LiveTV anymore on a remote Frontend
[09:37] <beavis_> EntryToProgram failed to get pginfo <-- error msg when trying to start LiveTV
[09:39] <beavis_> I had to isntall the mythtv-backend package on a pure remote frontend, is that right?
[10:29] <Mirage> beavis: do you have a password set on mysql for root, and do you have the backend configured to be accessible by a remote frontend?  I seem to recall in the setup on mythbuntu that it doesn't seem to enable remote frontends by default.
[10:31] <beavis> Mirage, root doesn't have a password
[10:31] <beavis> but I can access the db from remote
[10:32] <beavis> fe with mysql -u mythtv -p -h .... mythconverg
[10:48] <Mirage> not sure...never had any issues personally.
[11:42] <jumpkick> are you guys not having a website anymore... it's been like 3 weeks no?
[11:45] <jams> they are working on it
[11:50] <jumpkick>  jams: for 3 weeks, do they need some help?
[11:50] <jumpkick> I can host a back-up site
[11:51] <jams> hosting issues..you could talk to superm1 about it
[11:51] <tgm4883_laptop> there was an unavoidable problem
[11:51] <tgm4883_laptop> well, unforeseen
[11:51] <jumpkick> is this related to the ubuntu community servers that got hacked?
[11:51] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[11:52] <tgm4883_laptop> afaik we should be back up before the release of alpha 4
[11:52] <jumpkick> tgm4883_laptop:  It would be nice if I could refer people to a web site before then
[11:52] <tgm4883_laptop> well......
[11:53] <tgm4883_laptop> are you looking to pick up iso's or for general information?
[11:53] <tgm4883_laptop> there is basically 3 places you can go for different things
[11:54] <jumpkick> different wikis on ubuntu.com and the ubuntu forums right
[11:54] <tgm4883_laptop> kinda
[11:54] <jumpkick> I had a guy at work who was asking me
[11:54] <jumpkick> and I was explaining yeah, I'm using Mythbuntu
[11:54] <jumpkick> he said "what?"
[11:54] <tgm4883_laptop> there is the mythbuntu launchpad site, there is a basic mythbuntu wiki, and there is the iso mirror
[11:54] <jumpkick> "I would point you at the site, but it's still down"
[11:55] <tgm4883_laptop> its been down for 2 weeks today, so I think there is another avenue we are persuing
[11:56] <jumpkick> hosting everything accept the ISOs should be no problem
[11:56] <jumpkick> just getting the DNS changed is the trickiest thing
[11:57] <tgm4883_laptop> yep, we have a mirror for the iso's.  And there is also the torrents
[11:57] <jumpkick> yeah the torrent is how I got Alpha 3
[11:57] <jams> jumpkick-  there is also the fact that somebody else controls the dns(at leaset that's what i heard)
[11:57] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, that is also a problem
[11:57] <jumpkick> jams: even still...  setting up a Mythbuntu back-up site
[11:58] <jumpkick> so at least people can google it
[11:58] <jumpkick> even if the url is wrong
[11:58] <jumpkick> would be better then nothing
[11:58] <tgm4883_laptop> right, I believe we are in the process of getting the backup
[11:59] <jumpkick> oh, don't have back-ups of the main server
[11:59] <tgm4883_laptop> not sure, not my area
[11:59] <jumpkick> maybe I'll go set-up an unofficial site... :D


[13:14] <s-fox> Hello.
[13:23] <popey> yo
[14:51] <cjohnston> AlanBell: Could you please add work items for etherpad switch to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/summit/+spec/lpc-2012
[15:03] <AlanBell> ok
[15:28] <cjohnston> AlanBell: what does "extend meeting object to support etherpad lite (in addition to etherpad traditional" mean? I don't want to be using multiple etherpads on the same summit
[15:29] <AlanBell> no, but some summits (linaro) might want to use an etherpad instance
[15:29] <AlanBell> and we don't want to go poking it with API calls it doesn't understand
[15:30] <cjohnston> AlanBell: Summit already supports each individual summit having its own etherpad
[15:30] <AlanBell> yes
[15:31] <cjohnston> I'm not completely sure what needs to change
[15:31] <AlanBell> basically I am talking about a flag, to indicate whether the etherpad for the summit has an api
[15:31] <cjohnston> ic
[15:35] <amithkk> Hello Joeb454
[15:35] <amithkk> *jokerdino
[15:36] <jokerdino> hey AlanBell, amithkk has a vaguely working solution for the askubuntu tag / rss feed thingie.
[15:36] <jokerdino> amithkk: ^^
[15:36] <amithkk> I'll try to get the bit.ly stuff up and running
[15:36] <AlanBell> oh cool jokerdino
[15:37] <jokerdino> good thing it uses supybot plugin i think
[15:37] <amithkk> Yep
[15:37] <AlanBell> got somewhere to host it?
[15:37] <amithkk> yes
[15:37] <amithkk> Its on jrgifford 's server (Thank You :D)
[15:38] <AlanBell> can you add it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots so we don't boot it out
[15:38] <AlanBell> and we can sort out a bot cloak for it if you want one
[15:38] <amithkk> We already have one :D
[15:39] <AlanBell> fine
[15:39] <amithkk> where should I add it AlanBell
[15:39] <amithkk> ?
[15:40] <AlanBell> at the end of Non-LoCo bots
[15:40] <jokerdino> would be better if this was added to ubottu?
[15:40] <jokerdino> i mean, this whole rss feed stuff being added to ubottu?
[15:41] <amithkk> Thats possible
[15:41] <AlanBell> it is fine to have other bots doing different tasks, ubottu is busy enough
[15:42] <AlanBell> and you might want to be able to extend the askubuntu integration in interesting ways
[15:42] <amithkk> Yeah, I agree
[15:42] <AlanBell> easier to do that in a bot you have direct access to tinker with
[15:42] <jokerdino> for now, the juju and the app-devel were interested in the tag feed.
[15:42] <amithkk> also, We can use personal auth tokens for the api
[15:43] <amithkk> so, its #app-devel jokerdino
[15:43] <amithkk> ?
[15:43] <jokerdino> #ubuntu-app-devel
[15:43] <jokerdino> would this channel be interested in community tag feed? :)
[15:44] <AlanBell> got a link to the community feed so we can see what it contains?
[15:44] <jokerdino> http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/community
[15:44] <jokerdino> perhaps, I should consult Jorge before he gets angry XD
[15:45] <AlanBell> yeah, jcastro and jono question really, but that looks low volume enough that it wouldn't be irritating
[15:46] <amithkk> Umm jokerdino , what was the app-devel tag?
[15:46] <jokerdino> amithkk: http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/application-development
[15:47] <jokerdino> AlanBell: alright, I will bring this up on ask Ubuntu meta so we'll think through this
[15:48] <jokerdino> or amithkk might as well ^^
[15:49] <amithkk> Ok, Done for app dev
[15:50] <amithkk> so, does the juju guys want it too?
[15:50] <jokerdino> that's what our trello board says.
[15:51] <amithkk> point me to their channel
[15:51] <amithkk> please :D
[15:51] <jokerdino> i am yet to find the channel :D
[15:56] <amithkk> jokerdino: found it?
[15:57] <mhall119> jokerdino: #juju ?
[15:57] <jokerdino> #juju and #juju-dev i think
[15:57] <jokerdino> i think mhall119 is right. #juju it seems
[15:59] <amithkk> Done
[15:59] <jokerdino> good work. now community? :D
[16:00] <jokerdino> i am not sure actually. you might want to hold out.
[16:22] <amithkk> jcastro:
[16:22] <amithkk> ping
[16:29] <mhall119> amithkk: he was going to the keys, you'll probably need to wait til monday to hear from him
[18:15] <technoviking> Fosertpiskie: should be gone
[21:49] <AlanBell> on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand there is an Ubuntu logo image on a white background with a transparent hole in it
[21:50] <AlanBell> I have poked people about this in the past
[21:50] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=blackeubuntulogo.png
[21:50] <AlanBell> on a black background you can see the hole
[21:50] <AlanBell> and you can also see the hole here http://bartongeorge.net/2012/05/07/introducing-project-sputnik-developer-laptop/
[21:51] <AlanBell> where Dell have taken that image and rescaled it and got the aspect ratio wrong
[21:51] <AlanBell> we can't fix Dell entirely, but can we get someone to fix the image on the wiki, it is an immutable page for me
[21:52] <AlanBell> http://barton808.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ubuntu.png?w=150&h=33
[21:54] <elfy> AlanBell: who's the best person to talk to about community and non-community wiki pages ?
[21:55] <elfy> sorry for iut being sat night :(
[21:56] <AlanBell> docs team for help.ubuntu.com for wiki.ubuntu.com it is mostly just a wiki, go edit it yourself. Just this page is immutable
[21:56] <AlanBell> for system issues there is the RT system
[21:57] <AlanBell> looks like that page is editable by iain-farrell only (or people with wiki superpowers)
[21:58] <elfy> AlanBell: cool - more a general question - but there will do :)
[22:02] <AlanBell> bug 1001787
[22:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1001787 in ubuntu-website "ubuntu logo on the brand page has a hole in it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1001787
[22:02] <AlanBell> did it that way