[00:21] <niemeyer> davecheney: Morning!
[00:21] <davecheney> hey
[00:22] <niemeyer> WOohay! First watcher test just passed
[00:23] <niemeyer> davecheney: All good there/
[00:23] <niemeyer> ?
[00:23] <davecheney> watchers! hot damn
[00:24] <davecheney> it's good to have you in the trenches with us
[00:29] <niemeyer> davecheney: Thanks, I actually enjoy it a lot too, and it's getting even more exciting now that we can actually use the stuff we've been doing
[00:29] <niemeyer> davecheney: Well, or are about to use, anyway
[01:20] <niemeyer> 3 tests passing!
[01:21] <davecheney> niemeyer: i have UseSSH patched into mstate
[01:22] <niemeyer> davecheney: Wot
[01:22] <niemeyer> woot
[01:22] <davecheney> i'm going to see if I can change the test suites to run twice, once direct, the other via ssh
[01:22] <davecheney> the state/* tests don't do this
[01:22] <davecheney> they have a simple test for ssh forwarding only
[01:23] <davecheney> actually, i'll do that in a followup CL
[01:26] <davecheney> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
[01:26] <davecheney> i forgot the prereq !!!
[01:54] <niemeyer> Uh oh :)
[03:05] <niemeyer> and it takes shape..
[06:03] <niemeyer> Watcher foundation is up for review..
[06:03] <niemeyer> and I'm down for bed..
[06:03] <fwereade> niemeyer, gn
[06:04] <niemeyer> fwereade: Heya
[06:04] <niemeyer> fwereade: Up early? Or maybe I'm late..? :)
[06:04] <fwereade> niemeyer, I'm a bit early, you're very late :)
[06:04] <fwereade> niemeyer, sounds like a fruitfulday though
[06:05] <niemeyer> fwereade: Indeed.. pretty happy with it
[06:05] <fwereade> niemeyer, cool
[06:05] <niemeyer> fwereade: Slightly dense, but not too much code at all
[06:05] <fwereade> niemeyer, great
[06:06] <niemeyer> fwereade: and performant.. a thousand events written down, monitored and dispatched in a couple of seconds
[06:06] <fwereade> niemeyer, fantastic :D
[06:07] <niemeyer> fwereade: Unblocking FTW :)
[06:07]  * niemeyer heads to a nice shower and bed..
[06:07] <niemeyer> fwereade: Have a good time there
[06:07] <fwereade> niemeyer, sleep well :)
[06:09] <niemeyer> fwereade: tks!
[06:13] <davecheney> niemeyer: great stuff!
[07:09] <rogpeppe> fwereade: mornin'
[07:09] <fwereade> rogpeppe, heyhey
[07:09]  * rogpeppe goes to look at the watcher foundation...
[07:31] <fwereade> rogpeppe, trivial: https://codereview.appspot.com/6488092
[07:32] <rogpeppe> fwereade: all code deletion LGTM!
[07:32] <fwereade> rogpeppe, cheers :)
[07:53] <fwereade> rogpeppe, another trivial: https://codereview.appspot.com/6503087
[07:57] <rogpeppe> fwereade: isn't that just the kind of thing that log.Debugf is for? we already *have* a Debug flag
[07:58] <fwereade> rogpeppe, one global debug flag is IMO not adequate -- *most* of the time we don't need this logging, but it has on occasion been invaluable
[07:58] <fwereade> rogpeppe, when it's running, though, it overwhelms theagent logs with spam
[07:58] <rogpeppe> fwereade: maybe we should remove the global debug flag entirely
[07:59] <fwereade> rogpeppe, possibly -- but I suspect that fully "correct" logging is likely to be a contentious subject and would prefer to avoid that rabbit hole while I can ;p
[07:59] <rogpeppe> fwereade: or provide some way of registering particular debug flags
[07:59] <fwereade> rogpeppe, yeah, indeed, *I* think we need something like that but niemeyer was -1 in related discussions a while ago
[07:59] <rogpeppe> fwereade: fair enough. LGTM with the above reservations.
[07:59] <fwereade> rogpeppe, cheers :)
[08:45] <fwereade> rogpeppe, I'm heading out to work in a cafe for a while, bbs
[10:30] <rog> davecheney: hiya
[10:30] <fwereade_> going home again, later all
[10:31] <davecheney> rog: hey
[10:34] <Aram> hey all.
[10:34] <Aram> I'm not really here today, but hello.
[10:35] <rog> hello not-here Aram
[10:51] <rog> davecheney, Aram: trivial LGTM please? https://codereview.appspot.com/6495103/
[10:55] <davecheney> rog: fire at will
[10:55] <rog> davecheney: ta
[11:03] <rog> fwereade: as a stopgap measure, how about: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1190585/
[11:04] <fwereade> rog, something like that is indeed a possibility, that was kinda where we started
[11:09] <rog> fwereade: gets us through for the time being anyway, i think. and doesn't pretend to encapsulate an agent, just provides a way for a given agent to find its name.
[11:34] <rog> fwereade: FYI i think your trivial.EnsureDir is exactly equivalent to os.MkdirAll
[11:35] <fwereade> rog, ha, that'll learn me :/
[11:35] <rog> fwereade: apart from it produces a slightly different error message when the target isn't a directory :-)
[12:09] <rog> fwereade: how about /var/lib/juju/agents/unit-foo-3 as a uniter directory name (rather than /var/lib/juju/units/foo-3) ? then all the agent directories can live under the same directory.
[12:09] <fwereade> rog, definitely yes
[12:09] <rog> fwereade: great. done :-)
[12:10] <fwereade> rog, even though none of the other agents need local storage yet, it seems cray not to think about them
[12:10] <rog> fwereade: +1
[12:10] <fwereade> rog, ah ok -- what are you working on atm?
[12:10] <rog> fwereade: i'm fixing that container bug
[12:10] <rog> fwereade: where it's using the wrong path
[12:11] <rog> fwereade: because it's directly affecting me currently
[12:11] <rog> fwereade: erm, are you on the same thing?
[12:11] <fwereade> rog, not exactly... I don;t think... but which bug?
[12:11] <rog> fwereade: a bug i mentioned yesterday (but haven't actually reported)
[12:12] <rog> fwereade: where container is looking up the path in $PATH
[12:12] <rog> fwereade: but it needs to use the agent name in the executable path
[12:12] <rog> fwereade: otherwise upgrades won't work
[12:13] <fwereade> rog, ah right, if that were still around I'd be drive-by fixing it next time I saw it
[12:13] <fwereade> rog, but knock yourself out :)
[12:13] <rog> fwereade: thus far, until i tried earlier today, we haven't tried upgrading a non-cloudinit-started agent yet
[12:13] <rog> fwereade: i'm already reeling from the blow
[12:14] <fwereade> rog, when does that happen except on unit dpeloyemnt?
[12:14] <fwereade> rog, because container.Deploy is just generally broken
[12:14] <rog> fwereade: it doesn't
[12:15] <rog> fwereade: oh, how else is it broken?
[12:15] <fwereade> rog, no state info
[12:15] <rog> fwereade: i'll fix it in this CL
[12:15] <fwereade> rog, no logfiles, no output, the upstart stuff is just generally inconsistent with the way agents are started in cloudinit
[12:15] <rog> fwereade: ah, i now understand your remark yesterday
[12:16] <rog> fwereade: "can we get StateInfo from State?"
[12:16] <fwereade> rog, ha, yeah :)
[12:16] <fwereade> rog, actually just passing it around is not really any trouble
[12:16] <rog> fwereade: well, we can't even get a State from a Unit AFAIK
[12:16] <fwereade> rog, indeed
[12:17] <rog> Deploy(environs.Environ, *state.Unit) ?
[12:18] <fwereade> rog, hmm, maybe, why get an environ when everything that deploys should have a stateinfo readily available?
[12:19] <rog> fwereade: sounds reasonable to me. i'll see how it pans out.
[12:19] <fwereade> rog, cool
[12:19] <fwereade> brb
[12:19] <rog> fwereade: it's a kind of moral equivalent of Environ.StartInstance if you think about it like that
[12:30] <fwereade> rog, gut still says -1 but I'll wait and see :)
[12:30] <rog> fwereade: -1 to what?
[12:31] <fwereade> rog, giving an Environ to Deploy... but I could well be wrong
[12:31] <rog> fwereade: (i wasn't suggesting passing an environs in - Environ.StartInstance takes a StateInfo as an argument)
[12:31] <rog> s/environs/environ/
[12:31] <fwereade> rog, ah!
[12:31] <fwereade> rog, ok, sorry :)
[13:40] <rog> fwereade: environs.VarDir is going :-)
[13:40] <fwereade> rog, excellent news
[13:46] <rog> fwereade: just looking at worker/uniter/tools_test.go. this seems a little weird:
[13:46] <rog> 	s.toolsDir = c.MkDir()
[13:46] <rog> 	toolsDir := filepath.Join(s.varDir, "tools")
[13:46] <rog> 	err := os.Mkdir(toolsDir, 0755)
[13:46] <rog> is that first s.toolsDir assignment a mistake?
[13:46]  * fwereade looks
[13:47] <fwereade> rog, I think it's sane, but I agree the names are a bit off
[13:48] <rog> fwereade: so what are the two meanings of "toolsDir" there?
[13:48] <rog> niemeyer: yo!
[13:49] <rog> niemeyer: good work on the watcher foundation BTW
[13:49] <niemeyer> Hello!
[13:49] <niemeyer> rog: Hah
[13:49] <niemeyer> rog: From the amount I've heard about this, I thought you'd be significantly happier ;-)
[13:49] <rog> niemeyer: not quite sure i get you there
[13:50] <niemeyer> rog: "I will be really happy when I see watchers working." -- Roger Peppe
[13:50] <rog> niemeyer: haven't seen 'em working yet!
[13:51] <fwereade> rog, s.toolsDir is the place the tools are actually stored; toolsDir is what environs thinks the main tools dir is
[13:51] <rog> niemeyer: but it looks good.
[13:51] <niemeyer> rog: Run the tests and enjoy then
[13:51] <niemeyer> :)
[13:51] <fwereade> rog, it is probably not necessary, but when I was writing it all I knew was that thet tools would actually be a sy,mlink away, so it seemed sensible to test it that way
[13:51] <fwereade> rog, your changes sound likely to make that redundant
[13:54] <rog> fwereade: ah i see. so s.toolsDir could be environs.ToolsDir(someVersion)
[13:54] <fwereade> rog, yeah, exactly
[13:59] <rog> fwereade: this is what i'm doing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1190853/
[14:00] <fwereade> rog, that looks ideal
[14:01] <rog> fwereade: great
[14:21] <niemeyer> Alright!
[14:21] <niemeyer> rog: Carefully responded your concerns with background, and repushed with the fixes
[14:21] <niemeyer> rog: Thanks for the review
[14:21] <niemeyer> I'm now stepping out for some holidaying
[14:21] <rog> niemeyer: have a great time! you deserve it.
[14:22] <niemeyer> rog: Thanks!
[15:07] <fwereade> rog, this is pleasing, I find myself bumping up against wanting a ToolsDir just as you suggested yesterday
[15:08] <rog> fwereade: yesterday? or just now?
[15:08] <fwereade> rog, I thought yesterday -- did you show me something other than ToolsSuite today?
[15:09] <fwereade> rog, I presume it's pretty much what you've been doing, what with the VarDir removal
[15:09] <rog> fwereade: ah, did i have a type named ToolsDir?
[15:09] <fwereade> rog, heh, maybe that wasn't its name
[15:09] <rog> fwereade: tools.Dir perhaps
[15:10] <fwereade> rog, that could be it :)
[15:10] <rog> fwereade: i think i'm happier passing around varDir tbh
[15:10] <rog> fwereade: i'm not sure the type is that useful
[15:10] <fwereade> rog, that also works for me tbh
[15:10] <rog> fwereade: i quite like the way it's turning out, and it's not too disruptive.
[15:12] <fwereade> rog, excellent... I think I have something nice but it *is* a bit disruptive, I need to keep poking before I can decide whether it's right
[15:21] <fwereade> rog, I have a sudden feeling that it would be neat to use "agents/unit-x-1/tools" rather than "tools/unit-x-1"
[15:22] <fwereade> rog, I suppose it requires that we create the agent directory for everything, wich is slightly inconvenient
[15:22] <rog> fwereade: i don't think so.
[15:22] <rog> fwereade: it also means we can't have all the tools directories sitting in the same parent
[15:22] <fwereade> rog, but having the stuff that the agent depends on within the agent's own directory feels like a nice thing
[15:22] <rog> fwereade: with simple same-directory symlinks between them
[15:22] <rog> fwereade: several agents may depend on the same tools
[15:22] <fwereade> rog, what's wrong with absolute symlinks?
[15:22] <fwereade> rog, I know that
[15:23] <rog> fwereade: i *think* it's neater to have all the tools directories in one place
[15:24] <rog> fwereade: and as you say, currently we don't need to create a directory for most agents
[15:24] <fwereade> rog, it feels even neater to me to only have the real tools directories there
[15:24] <rog> fwereade: so agents/unit-x-1/tools would be a symlink?
[15:25] <rog> fwereade: i prefer relative symlinks too
[15:25] <rog> fwereade: as it is (well, could be :-]), we can move the juju directory somewhere else, start things with a different --juju-dir and it'll work
[15:26] <fwereade> rog, fair enough
[15:26]  * rog reserves the right to change his mind, as always :-)
[16:06] <mramm> Hey all.   Good work this week.  Review with sabdfl & managers went well today.
[16:09] <rog> mramm: thanks
[16:09] <rog> mramm: things are coming along nicely i think. as always the horizon recedes as we get towards it though :-)
[16:14] <fwereade> mramm, cool
[16:32] <fwereade> dammit, I think I have something really good coming along, but I have to go
[16:32] <rog> fwereade: bother, i'm about to propose the vardir change and thought you might like a look :-)
[16:32] <rog> fwereade: but fair enough, it's friday night!
[16:32] <rog> fwereade: have a great weekend!
[16:33] <fwereade> rog, that is extremely relevant to my interests, I will almost certainly look at it over the w/e
[16:33] <fwereade> rog, and you :)
[16:33] <rog> fwereade: cool
[16:33] <rog> fwereade: all tests just ran clean, yay
[16:33]  * fwereade cheers
[16:36] <rog> fwereade: this branch is just a prelude to the branch that fixes container though, i'm afraid
[16:36] <rog> fwereade: https://codereview.appspot.com/6501106
[16:36] <fwereade> rog, cheers, I'll open the tab but I really must go
[16:36] <fwereade> rog, take care, have fun :)
[16:45]  * rog thinks that 3 hours for that amount of refactoring is pretty good going. huzzah for static typing!
[16:46] <rog> fwereade: oh yes, incidentally this also naturally fixes the bug that --juju-dir didn't work :-)
[17:09] <rog> right, that's me for the weekend.
[17:09] <rog> see y'all monday; have a good one!


[22:35] <pen> how do I change the artist information in video files?
[22:35] <BCM43> pen: what program?
[22:35] <Jack_Sparrow> BUMMER by reading the links we are sending you  see appdb.. please read what we have sent you
[22:35] <mneptok> pen: most video formats do not have tags
[22:35] <unavailable> Jack_sparrow so first you tell me that i have an unofficial distro, when i in fact do have an official...  then you tell me that e-sword works fine in ubuntu (when i didnt see a deb file on their site) and to go to winehq??
[22:36] <pen> mneptok, but when I play with totem it shows title and artist...etc
[22:36] <BCM43> unavailable: calm down
[22:36] <pen> BCM43, with totem it shows
[22:36] <mneptok> pen: the the format you're using supports tags, and EasyTag may be of help
[22:36] <Jack_Sparrow> unavailable You asked about running a program under wine.. I told you to go to winehq... what part of that do you not understand
[22:36] <aminubuntu> hello mohammad
[22:36] <mneptok> !info easytag
[22:36] <jrib> unavailable: did you check the repositories first?
[22:36] <BUMMER> ok thenks now i understand
[22:36] <pen> mneptok, it's actually rmvb file
[22:36] <BUMMER> :)
[22:36] <BCM43> pen: not sure sorry
[22:37] <gavi> folks how do i copy all the files in a folder with the terminal
[22:37] <Konner> linksys wmp54gs isnt not working in hardy i used ndiswrapper and still not working
[22:37] <McDo>  x
[22:37] <unavailable> !flood > unavailable
[22:37] <unavailable> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22708/
[22:37] <jrib> gavi: including the folder?
[22:37] <McDo>  Hello
[22:37] <gavi> no
[22:37] <unavailable> Reading package lists... Done
[22:37] <zloog> gavi: cp -r SourceDir TargetDir
[22:37] <unavailable> Building dependency tree
[22:37] <unavailable> Reading state information... Done
[22:37] <unavailable> E: Couldn't find package e-sword
[22:37] <FloodBot1> unavailable: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:37] <gavi> zloog,
[22:37] <gavi> thanks
[22:37] <jrib> gavi: cp -a /path/to/dir1/{*,.*} /path/to/dir2
[22:37] <zloog> np
[22:37] <mneptok> unavailable: sudo apt-get install gnomesword
[22:37] <BCM43> !medic
[22:37] <BCM43> oops, sorry
[22:37] <BCM43> did not mean to
[22:37] <McDo>  On parle de quoi ici ?
[22:37] <jrib> gavi: what zloog said wil include the directory
[22:37] <Slart> !fr | McDo
[22:38] <Myrtti> what where
[22:38] <Secretcode6> Ok I recived an error when burning the mini.iso "A Write error occurred failed to write lead in"
[22:38] <unavailable> mneptok does gnomesword support the bible files from e-sword??
[22:38] <BCM43> Myrtti: sorry
[22:38] <McDo>  Oki Slart
[22:38] <zloog> gavi: jrib is right,
[22:38] <mneptok> McDo: #ubuntu-fr ou #ubuntu-qc peut etre?
[22:38] <McDo>  J'avais pas remarqué pour l'anglaise
[22:38] <gavi> jrib, thanks do i need to add the curly braces
[22:38] <McDo>  mdr
[22:38] <McDo>  -e
[22:38] <jrib> gavi: you need it exactly like I said it
[22:38] <Konner> smrhfdihf
[22:38] <Konner> yuyqe;fkhedf
[22:38] <BUMMER> i hawe i question :) can you help my install my graphic card ati x1400 in my laptop :) but not with resractid moduls
[22:38] <Konner> serfrg
[22:38] <mneptok> unavailable: sword is a standard format, supported by many different readers
[22:38] <gavi> k ill give it a try
[22:38] <pen> mneptok, can't use easytag
[22:38] <McDo>  mneptok - tu parles français ?
[22:38] <Mez> BCM43, no problem - removed
[22:38] <pen> how do I change the artist information in video files?
[22:39] <pen> McDo, I know a little ;p
[22:39] <mneptok> McDo: oui un petit peut. j'habite en Quebec, mais je suis aux EtUn, et ma Francais aussi. ;)
[22:39] <edju> lost network-manager.  tried to install the deb with dpkg, but it fails saying that libnl1-pre6 is a dependency.  there is no such package - been replaced by plain old libnl1, which I have.  any advice, pointers, etc. appreciated.
[22:39] <unavailable> mneptok so if i pull bible files from my esword in my windows part will they work in gnomesword
[22:40] <Slart> McDo: this channel is english only.. you will be kicked if you keep speaking french
[22:40] <mneptok> unavailable: if they adhere to the sword standard, you bet
[22:40] <McDo>  Ok Slart
[22:40] <McDo>  I know !
[22:40] <McDo>  lol
[22:40] <Jack_Sparrow> unavailable http://www.ubuntulabs.devubuntu.com/deb/  top link
[22:40] <Flannel> edju: what version of Ubuntu are you on?
[22:40] <unavailable> mneptok thank you, you are the most sensible person i have talked to in a few hours
[22:40] <cygoku> !label
[22:40] <gavi> works.. thanks folks
[22:40] <andycan> how to reset route??
[22:40] <McDo>  Okkk mneptok
[22:40] <McDo>  What pen ?
[22:40] <edju> Flannel, hardy
[22:40] <jrib> andycan: what do you mean by "route"?
[22:40] <mneptok> unavailable: then you are having a very bad day. i'm a freak.
[22:40] <pen> how do I change the artist information in video files?
[22:40] <pen> McDo, you speak french right?
[22:40] <Flannel> edju: Then your network-manager depends on libn1, without any -pre whatever
[22:40] <unavailable> mneptok yes
[22:40] <spoon_man> andycan, reset router?
[22:41] <McDo>  Yes, I speak french.
[22:41] <McDo>  pen
[22:41] <Slart> pen: what have you tried so far? tried avidemux? searched for video tag editor in synaptic? googled? checked the forums?
[22:41] <nuno_nunes> HI PPL
[22:41] <TuniX12> hi
[22:41] <edju> Flannel: then why does dpkg fail?
[22:41] <mneptok> unavailable: http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp
[22:41] <BCM43> hi
[22:41] <andycan> jrib: I mean, i messed up with the route command, added a gw and now want it to be reset to default. I can only access my gateway address, nothing else pings or resolves
[22:41] <Flannel> edju: Probably because your deb file isn't for hardy.
[22:42] <secretcode6> Ok I recived an error when burning the mini.iso "A Write error occurred failed to write lead in"
[22:42] <pen> Slart, yea avidemux, video tag, synaptics, googled, checked forums and post a post about it
[22:42] <Flannel> edju: yeah, looks like you have the gutsy version of n-m
[22:42] <yoyoned> andycan: sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:42] <Flannel> edju: You don't have internet access on this machine?
[22:42] <secretcode6> I'm using infra recorder
[22:42] <jrib> andycan: ah, not sure
[22:42] <edju> Flannel: oh, crap - hit the wrong thing, then.
[22:43] <Slart> pen: hmm.. there has to be something out there.. I'll let you know if I find anything
[22:43] <spoon_man> secretcode6, are you trying to burn this .iso file in linux or Windows?
[22:43] <secretcode6> Windows
[22:43] <Flannel> edju: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/i386/network-manager/download  assuming i386
[22:43] <Flannel> edju: Ack.  Now I grabbed the gusty one.  Hah.  Hold on
[22:43] <pen> Slart, I don't understand why right click videos can have general informations like artists but people are telling me that videos don't have tags
[22:43] <edju> Flannel, well, sort of.  I have a spare ubuntu on an external drive - on it now.
[22:43] <Flannel> edju: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/network-manager/download
[22:43] <unavailable> Jack_Sparrow   nvmd
[22:44] <spoon_man> secretcode6, I used CDBurnerXP to make my ISO
[22:44] <Flannel> edju: If its connected to the internet, you can just apt-get it
[22:44] <Slart> pen: ever found a file with those fields filled in?
[22:44] <pen> Slart, why nautilus can read but can't provide to edit
[22:44] <Paddy_EIRE> secretcode6, If you are using windows I have always found "Imgburn" to be the most hassle free... you wanna download the iso again to make sure it is not corrupted
[22:44] <pen> Slart, it's a rmvb file
[22:44] <spoon_man> I set it to Session at Once instead of Disk at Once, and left everything else on default settings
[22:44] <Paddy_EIRE> secretcode6, imgburn is small free and lightweight
[22:44] <spoon_man> worked fine
[22:44] <pen> Slart, in wmv it's all unknown
[22:44] <unavailable> mneptok so where is the bible folder for gnomesword?
[22:44] <edju> Flannel:  yeah, I see now.  No - I just didn't look very closely and probably grabbed the wrong file.  Thanks.  I can take it from here.
[22:45] <pen> Slart, same in avi files. they are all unknown
[22:45] <pen> Slart, but rmvbs are filled
[22:45] <Jester45> pen unknown is the same as blank
[22:45] <Slart> pen: perhaps a realmedia video editor of some kind then..
[22:45] <pen> Jester45, ok. then how about emvb?
[22:45] <pen> not sure
[22:45] <mneptok> unavailable: not sure. i'm not a user myself. apparently there is a GNOME help file for gnomesword. - http://gnomesword.sourceforge.net/help.php
[22:46] <Jester45> pen i dont knwo i dont use rmvb
[22:46] <pen> don't think there is. I am having trouble with totem because the information is not in UTF-8 so it's all scrambled
[22:46] <unavailable> mneptok actually i found its in the gnome help browser
[22:46] <pen> so totem won't play
[22:46] <mneptok> unavailable: so there you go :)
[22:46] <unavailable> at least the page says it is
[22:46] <Quadra800Fan> YO FloodBot1 !
[22:46] <spoon_man> pen, do you have the medibuntu repository?
[22:47] <devil> is there ny way to stop whois on any ip ?
[22:47] <pen> spoon_man, I did installed. because totem play other rmvbs
[22:47] <mneptok> devil: ask for a cloak in #freenode
[22:47] <mcquaid> about to upgrade a gutsy ubuntu box.  is there a way to default replace config files?  I don't want to come back to the box and it's sitting there half way waiting for 'keep/replace'
[22:47] <Schuenemann> hey, I want to get rid of mysql starting every time I start my system. Do I just have to delete the files mysql, mysql-ndb, mysql-ndb-mgm under /etc/init.d/   /;
[22:48] <Schuenemann> oops, that stuff at the end should be a question mark
[22:48] <doubletwist> is there any reason a 64bit Ubuntu 8.04 would have trouble running on a machine with 16 cores and 128GB of RAM?
[22:48] <cygoku> Where can I get e2label ?!?!
[22:48] <cygoku> It is not in the repo.
[22:48] <mneptok> doubletwist: you'll need the -bigiron kernel to address that much memory
[22:49] <doubletwist> mneptok: But it shouldn't crash right? it'd just see part of the ram?
[22:49] <spoon_man> schuenmann, have you looked in System>Preferences>Sessions?
[22:49] <mneptok> doubletwist: depends on much of the hardware.
[22:49] <mneptok> doubletwist: drive controllers. bridge sets. etc etc.
[22:49] <Quadra800Fan> /MSG NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Quadra800Fan eyhrmifgfool
[22:49] <doubletwist> mneptok: ok... thx
[22:50] <secretcode6> The Mini did'nt work
[22:50] <Scunizi> cygoku: try glabel
[22:50] <mneptok> Quadra800Fan: you'll want to be changing your password now
[22:50] <Slart> Quadra800Fan: better never use that password again
[22:50] <real_ate> hello all, quick question... if i want to stop GDM starting and instead call "X -query <IP_ADDRESS>" in place of any x starting activity where should i put this line in? what script?
[22:50] <secretcode6> To install ununtu do I need a Internet connection?
[22:51] <Slart> secretcode6: nope
[22:51] <Scunizi> secretcode6: but it's a good idea
[22:51] <spoon_man> secretcode6, have you never used this hard drive before?
[22:51] <quaal> how do i burn/convert a bin cue to make it burnable
[22:51] <secretcode6> Well I just tried to install the mini.iso and I got a error
[22:51] <Slart> secretcode6: but to install software not included in the install you'll either need an internet connection or a dvd/cd with packages to install from
[22:51] <mcquaid> anyone know if that's possible?  I want it to default to replace doing a sys upgrade.  when it encounters changes in scripts
[22:51] <Slart> secretcode6: well.. using the mini.iso it might be required
[22:52] <mcquaid> i don't want to come back and an install is half done
[22:52] <kushal1> why is the check for update button grayed out in my default installation of ff3 in Ubuntu 8.04 running via wubi on a toshiba satellite m55-s135?
[22:52] <Schuenemann> hey, I want to get rid of mysql starting every time I start my system. Do I just have to delete the files mysql, mysql-ndb, mysql-ndb-mgm under /etc/init.d/   ?
[22:52] <secretcode6> Ok heres my problem when the install window pops up on unutu it's blank and stays that way
[22:53] <darwich> how do i get into a ATI graphic card support channel ?
[22:53] <spoon_man> Scheunmann, did you look in System>Preferences>Sessions?
[22:53] <kushal1> Hello, I recently installed kde4 on my ubuntu 8.04. is there a way to remove all traces of it and get back the disk space? thanks
[22:53] <EvoLuT> hello
[22:53] <EvoLuT> :D
[22:53] <kushal1> :D
[22:53] <Falc> Has XMMS been removed for any reason? I've searched Google and the forums and found nothing.
[22:54] <darwich> how do i get into a ATI graphic card support channel ?
[22:54] <mmnicolas> Falc: xmms is dead, but you will still find xmms2
[22:54] <Flannel> !xmms | Falc
[22:54] <Schuenemann> spoon_man, actually, I'm using KDE, but that doesn't change the init script directory, does it?
[22:54] <rsk> #ati ?
[22:54] <real_ate> kushal1: have you tried apt-get remove kde4?
[22:54] <cygoku> Scunizi : What is glabels for ?
[22:54] <unavailable> ok so it appears that gnomesword doesnt open bbl files
[22:54] <mcquaid> Schuenemann, in /etc/rc2.d everything in there starts up on boot.  Capital S means do it. small s means don't. rename S19mysql to s19mysql
[22:54] <Falc> XMMS died! Oh man, that was a sad day
[22:55] <rsk> xmms is being developed, bleh. someone kick ubottu's maintainer
[22:55] <mcquaid> also the others that apply...
[22:55] <Scunizi> cygoku: sounded like you were looking for a label program.. glabel works great.. if that wasn't what you were looking for .. sorry..
[22:55] <darwich> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=701597 <- Can anyone help me with that problem ??
[22:55] <secretcode6> so what do I do?
[22:55] <Flannel> rsk: No, it really isnt
[22:55] <Schuenemann> mcquaid, does that calls the scripts in /etc/init.d/?
[22:55] <mcquaid> yes
[22:55] <Schuenemann> call*
[22:55] <spoon_man> Schuenemann I don't know, might want to ask in #kubuntu instead
[22:56] <mcquaid> so your way will work as well. this way is just less destructive
[22:56] <cygoku> Scunizi : No sorry, e2label is to change the partition label of ext2 and ext3.
[22:56] <unavailable> ok so it appears that gnomesword doesnt open bbl files
[22:56] <real_ate> hello all, quick question... if i want to stop GDM starting and instead call "X -query <IP_ADDRESS>" in place of any x starting activity where should i put this line in? what script? anyone know anything about X around here?
[22:56] <Schuenemann> mcquaid, why rc2.d and not rc5 or any other
[22:56] <Scunizi> cygoku: ah.. now I remember.. been a while since I looked at that tool
[22:56] <spoon_man> Secretcode6, have you not used this hard drive before?
[22:56] <secretcode6> Yes
[22:57] <andrea> is there a graphical program for ubuntu to restart sound server, samba, etc...
[22:57] <secretcode6> No OS on the Harddrive
[22:57] <cygoku> And I cannot find it on repo or google so far.
[22:57] <jrib> cygoku: it is in the repos
[22:57] <starbucks> !games > starbucks
[22:57] <cygoku> jrib, how is called ?
[22:57] <jrib> cygoku: install e2fsprogs
[22:57] <belkinhelp2> quick question regarding disk drive implementation.  How do I get Ubuntu to reinstall all new drivers for a new motherboard, graphic card, sound, etc.
[22:58] <starbucks> !games
[22:58] <belkinhelp2> in other words....take my current HD and install it into another PC
[22:58] <teamz> hi
[22:58] <teamz> I have installed vsftpd and set local_max_rate=0 but for some reason upload is capped at 70kbps ??? does anyone have an idea how to fix this ?
[22:58] <mcquaid> Schuenemann,   i forget the exact explanation of the rc's.My understanding is rc2 is the normal mode used for debian based system.  the other rc's are normally not used
[22:58] <darwich> Can anyone help me with this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=701597 plz ?
[22:58] <mcquaid> but i haven't read on them in awhile. google will prob give you more answers on that if your curious. but you shoudl be fine with just changing rc2.d
[22:59] <Schuenemann> mcquaid, ok, thanks
[22:59] <secretcode6> Spoon Man?
[22:59] <mcquaid> np
[22:59] <spoon_man> ?
[23:00] <mcquaid> so i'm upgrading a gutsy box, i know i mucked with some config files on this box.  i don't want to come back to the upgrade with it waiting for input cause a config file has changed.
[23:00] <S4nD3r> Please, my pendrive is not recognized, what to do ??? I insert usbstick, this is not showed to be mounted, how solve it?
[23:00] <Commie_Jebus> is there a way to REMOVE ALL PASSWORDS
[23:00] <mcquaid> i've already backed them up and just want it to default to replace.  any way to pass that to update manager
[23:00] <jrib> Commie_Jebus: why would you want to do such a thing...
[23:01] <spoon_man> mcquaid, you could try backing up your config files and restoring them when the upgrade is done
[23:01] <Commie_Jebus> because im the only one that uses this computer
[23:01] <Daisuke_Ido> why would all sound devices disappear after installing linux-backports-modules
[23:01] <mcquaid> yes, but i know it will flag that configs have changed.  i dont' want it hanging awaiting a response, i just want it to do it
[23:01] <DemonHeadx> hello, can someone help me install this theme with the latest ubuntu install. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Cobra?content=58699
[23:01] <real_ate> Commie_Jebus: the answer is simply no... you should instead be looking for an automatic login
[23:01] <mcquaid> i would there shoudl be a way to pass a default for unattended upgrages
[23:01] <mcquaid> upgrades
[23:01] <mcquaid> i would think*
[23:02] <spoon_man> hmm
[23:02] <spoon_man> !upgrade
[23:02] <mcquaid> I"m going out and when I come back it would be nice to come back to a compete install instead of 'ahh it's half way ....'
[23:03] <darwich> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5254559  : Anyone help plz ?
[23:03] <Integration> hey i have a problem i used gparted to resize my vista partition and now it's asking me for the windows vista cd to do a repair...Is there a way to fix the problem without a cd? would a cd even fix the problem?
[23:04] <BCM43> Integration: that is a windows problem, try ##windows
[23:04] <mcquaid> ya nothing there.
[23:04] <Schuenemann> !windows
[23:04] <S4nD3r> What to do?
[23:04] <Integration> alritht tanks...i also resized my ubuntu partition at the same time...i'll go to #windows
[23:05] <daemon3> I've been trying to follow the directions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP to set up localhost server, but when I try to go to http://localhost, The page hangs and then it doesn't load.  I've tried http://<IP_ADDRESS> as well.
[23:05] <S4nD3r> what to install?
[23:05] <darwich> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5254559  : Anyone help plz ?
[23:05] <pen> how to make totem support non UTF code?
[23:05] <yoyoned> daemon3, try https://localhost
[23:05] <darwich> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5254559  : Anyone help plz ?
[23:06] <daemon3> Address not found.
[23:06] <Slart> darwich: repeating once every 5 minutes is enough..
[23:06] <Scunizi> daemon3: or try https://localhost:80 .. or without the "s" at the end of http
[23:06] <Slart> darwich: people have seen it and if they aren't answering it's probably because they don't know the answer.. spamming that link won't change that
[23:06] <yoyoned> daemon3, have you made sure apache is running
[23:07] <starbucks> !games
[23:07] <molgrum_> ubuntu just completely froze my computer when i plugged in my microphone...
[23:07] <darwich> slart, im just sick of using about 1year now trying to find a solution ..
[23:07] <starbucks> anyone tell me the best linux games there are please?
[23:07] <Algyz> molgrum_:  try to look at system logs
[23:07] <molgrum> Algyz: any log in particular?
[23:07] <Scunizi> molgrum: try restarting with the mic plugged in.
[23:08] <molgrum> Scunizi: yeah didn't freeze with the mic in :)
[23:08] <daemon3> Yes, and it gives an error that I don't have a public_html folder even though I do.
[23:08] <molgrum> but kinda bad that it froze from that :/
[23:08] <Slart> darwich: understandable.. if I could help you I would.. let's hope someone answers that forum post
[23:08] <Algyz> molgrum:  system>preferences>system logs
[23:08] <spoon_man> !alternate
[23:08] <yoyoned> daemon3, does the public folder have the right permissions
[23:08] <darwich> slart: well i hope so.. cause im sick of listening to that noisy graphic card
[23:09] <daemon3> No.  I changed them, and it still doesn't work.
[23:09] <unixboy1> hello i have plug a network card in my laptop
[23:09] <unixboy1> an d it been detected in lspci
[23:09] <unixboy1> but i dont see it in iwconfig
[23:09] <molgrum> Algyz: ok, which of the logs are interesting?
[23:09] <unixboy1> someone could help me out
[23:09] <bartmon> Hi! I'm watching a DVD with a weird audio track. How can i mute some of the AC3 surround channels? I've tried mplayer and VLC but none offer this kind of control.
[23:10] <mcquaid> join #ubuntu+1
[23:10] <Claw6> how to tell my wifi not to connect automatic to other networks in xubuntu ?
[23:10] <molgrum> Algyz: there's only one log per date, so i think it got overwritten after the reboot
[23:11] <spoon_man> Claw6, have you tried asking in #xubuntu?
[23:11] <daemon3> Who should own the public_html folder.
[23:11] <daemon3> ?
[23:11] <grtessman> Can someone please tell me how to source my .profile automatically?
[23:12] <Claw6> spoon_man: no response there
[23:13] <amenado> grtessman-> source  .profile
[23:13] <spoon_man> mcquaid, I think the Alternate install allows you to automate the process
[23:13] <mcquaid> how?
[23:14] <daemon3> yoyoned, What should the permissions for public_html be?
[23:14] <daemon3> Sorry...who should own it?
[23:14] <Dream> 30 second leason, how do i make a back up?
[23:14] <grtessman> amenado.. do I put this in my .bashrc?
[23:14] <Dream> quick fast :P
[23:14] <spoon_man> I'm trying to find out, but the info is sparse
[23:14] <Jewsus> hello, what codecs should i download to watch movies such as .mpg's or .wmv's
[23:14] <bartmon> Dream: of what?
[23:14] <lionstone> Hi, I think something may be wrong with the 64-bit download: ubuntu forums ubuntu-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso . I've downloaded twice from two different mirrors, burned copies with two different burners, and continue to fail CD validation. The md5 sum checks out fine on the files, though.
[23:15] <NickGarvey> lionstone: can you md5 the CD after you burn it?
[23:15] <n00bs_r_ppl_too> jewsus, iirc, sudo apt-get install restricted-ubuntu-(something)
[23:15] <lionstone> the installer loads but quits mid-way through partitioning
[23:15] <Blaqlight> lionstone I had that same problem.. wasted 4 dvds on it.
[23:15] <n00bs_r_ppl_too> !restricted
[23:15] <lionstone> NickGarvey: I'm not sure... but the installer on the CD includes a CD validation script
[23:15] <n00bs_r_ppl_too> jewsus, check out that link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[23:15] <Blaqlight> had to go way back to earlier working copy I had.
[23:15] <pen> how to make totem support non UTF code?
[23:15] <unavailable> got e-sword working in wine using this tut  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=404042  disregarding the prefix stuff
[23:15] <puff> Anybody familiar with LVM?  Does using LVM to set up root and /home partitiosn give you the same flexibility to reinstall just the root partition, as if you'd set up separate physical parittions for root and /home?
[23:15] <Jewsus> ok thanks n00bs_r_ppl_too
[23:15] <lionstone> Blaqlight: really? so it's an issue with the ISO?
[23:15] <pen> or change the video artist information?
[23:16] <unavailable> basically alls i did different was copying the dlls and making them native
[23:16] <NickGarvey> lionstone: put the cd into a cd drive and do md5sum /dev/cdrom
[23:16] <Dream> i just need to make an entier system back up before i mess around :P
[23:16] <mmnicolas> puff: what you're looking for is unionfs
[23:16] <lionstone> cool, thanks NickGarvey...i'll let you know in a sec
[23:16] <Schuenemann> NickGarvey, does that produce the same md5 as the iso?
[23:16] <NickGarvey> Schuenemann: if the burn was right :)
[23:16] <Blaqlight> I think it was. I was going for 8.04 dvd install.... had to install kubuntu 6.2 or something and then upgrade the installs.
[23:17] <Schuenemann> yeah, sure
[23:17] <Schuenemann> that's why I always use RW anyway :-)
[23:17] <Blaqlight> and it wasn't the 64 edition either.
[23:18] <rsl> it's not normal that my client's mysql has no database other than information_schema is it?
[23:19] <Schuenemann> rsl, did you create one?
[23:19] <rsl> Schuenemann: i didn't have to create the default 'mysql' db on my ubuntu install.
[23:20] <Blaqlight> lionstone, I also tried different burning software Nero in windows and k3b neither worked.
[23:20] <Schuenemann> rsl, oh yes, sorry... it's better if you ask in #mysql though
[23:20] <rsl> even though it's an ubuntu install?
[23:21] <pen> how to make totem support non UTF code?
[23:21] <pen> or change the video artist information?
[23:21] <Schuenemann> rsl, I dunno. I installed in ubuntu and I have mysql DB as well
[23:21] <spoon_man> mysql isn't specific to any flavor of linux
[23:21] <Dream> so  anyone, how to make a back up, pm it this channel is full XD
[23:21] <BCM43> !pm | Dream
[23:22] <rsl> Schuenemann: second try at aptitude purge and reinstall prompted me for a password. hope that's a good sign
[23:22] <Dream> lol, i didnt mr bot man
[23:22] <rexnubulr> I couldn't figure out for the longest time why gtk sudo apps would pause. stupid host file.
[23:23] <yoyoned> Dream a back up of what to what
[23:23] <neverblue> guys, when updates occur, that require a restart, on a remote box i use all the time, how can I have that service ( VNC, remote, etc..) running at the login page, rather than 'after' the user logs in ?
[23:23] <Dream> i asked how do i make a full system back up, and if someone knows to pm howto becuase im doing 50 things
[23:23] <lionstone> NickGarvey, Blaqlight- the cd md5 is correct
[23:23] <neverblue> Dream Ubuntu backup ?
[23:23] <Dream> yes
[23:23] <Slart> neverblue: start it from some kind of rc.d file instead of from a session
[23:23] <Blaqlight> lionstone, I never did figure it out.
[23:23] <neverblue> Slart, where would I start with that ?
[23:23] <Karamon> Hello, I'm having trouble getting emerald to work.  I have themes, but if I click on any of them the appearance doesn't change.  I'm using KDE and compiz plugins, any other info can be supplied if needed..
[23:23] <lionstone> Blaqlight- but were you looking for 64 bit?
[23:24] <Blaqlight> lionstone, you'd probably just be better off ordering a copy of it.
[23:24] <neverblue> Dream, you have more than one box, then ?
[23:24] <Slart> neverblue: there is a folder in /etc called rc.d .. I don't know the exact syntax but look around.. perhaps google a bit
[23:24] <yoyoned> Dream, I like rsync
[23:24] <neverblue> Slart, its a great start
[23:24] <lionstone> Blaqlight- yeah, i was hoping to install today though :(
[23:24] <Blaqlight> lionstone, I had the same problems with the 32 bit version.
[23:24] <Dream> i have 2 desktops
[23:24] <Beryllium> neverblue: It's kind of a silly solution, but have you considered using XDMCP to connect, rather than VNC?
[23:24] <Dream> on ubuntu
[23:25] <afallenhope> hey I installed SUSE and the bootloader took over grub. is there a way of getting grub back?
[23:25] <neverblue> dont push ur luck beryllium :P
[23:25] <johnnypea> hello is there any way how to install Ubuntu without booting from CD or USB and no Windows installed?
[23:25] <NickGarvey> !grub > afallenhope
[23:25] <grtessman> Can someone please tell me the right way to automatically source your .profile?
[23:25] <NickGarvey> afallenhope: use the same instructions given for losing to windows
[23:25] <yoyoned> Dream, http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html
[23:25] <afallenhope> !grub
[23:26] <yoyoned> grtessman: logout and login
[23:26] <spoon_man> !install | johnnypea
[23:26] <unop> grtessman, the bash manpage does state that ~/.profile is sourced is one exists - and the default way is the only way, so it must be right way
[23:26] <rexnubulr> neverblue: you want it start around the time of the GDM.
[23:27] <Dream> ah load of people >_<
[23:27] <grtessman> yoyonned, opening a new term wouldnt do it?
[23:27] <unop> grtessman, unless you have some unusual requirement or use another shell that is not bash
[23:27] <yoyoned> grtessman: or type source .profile
[23:27] <grtessman> I want to modify my PATH
[23:27] <S4nD3r> Please, my pendrive is not recognized, what to do ??? I insert usbstick, this is not showed to be mounted, how solve it?
[23:27] <grtessman> yes, I know I can . ./.profile
[23:27] <grtessman> but I want it automatically
[23:27] <grtessman> to change PATH
[23:27] <unop> grtessman, the best way is to do the modifications in ~/.bashrc
[23:27] <grtessman> I added $HOME/bin
[23:28] <Dream> have i missed how to backup ? +_+'
[23:28] <grtessman> unop, yes - but I sometimes use zshell
[23:28] <spoon_man> !backup | Dream
[23:28] <grtessman> unop, so I wanted one place for my env variables
[23:28] <unop> grtessman, well in that case you have to use a syntax that both bash and zshell understand - and that isn't always obvious
[23:29]  * unavailable is still puzzled as to why a certian someone thought (or probably still thinks) that i have an unofficial distro of ubuntu...
[23:29] <unop> grtessman, whats the exact statement you are using there to modify $PATH ?
[23:29] <grtessman> unop, understand.  I will try it in just .bashrc to modify   $HOME/bin  to be included in my path
[23:30] <unop> grtessman, PATH="$PATH":~/bin; export PATH   # should be portable across bash and zshell
[23:30] <grtessman> awesome thanks unop
[23:31] <rexnubulr> neversfelde: how did you mask your ident?
[23:31] <skinnymg1> hey everyone hows it going
[23:31] <Dream> any backup programmes?
[23:31] <Xavura> How do I turn off advanced desktop effects
[23:31] <Xavura> I want to play a game and the effects use all my memory
[23:31] <spoon_man> !backup | Dream
[23:31] <spoon_man> dude
[23:31] <spoon_man> read it
[23:31] <Xavura> like temporarily turn off
[23:32] <rexnubulr> I love Ubuntu, I use it exclusively now. Although I run vmware and virtualbox from time to time.
[23:32] <Dream> yeah, what do people in here recomend/
[23:32] <spoon_man> we recommend reading
[23:32] <Dream> i just did read it
[23:32] <lwizardl> hi
[23:32] <unavailable> zavura go to sytem > preferences > appearance > visual effects > none
[23:32] <kelvin> Hi, I need help to connect to a WIFI with WPA, because the driver in  " wpa_supplicant didn’t seem to work, even with the Dell driver but WEP worked" ?
[23:32] <rexnubulr> is there a way to keep track of programs installed from source? How do I uninstall a program that was compiled?
[23:32] <unavailable> xavura go to sytem > preferences > appearance > visual effects > none
[23:32]  * spoon_man sighs
[23:33] <lwizardl> how do i split an archive into multiple rars using ubuntu ?
[23:33] <kelvin> * the driver in ndiswrappe
[23:33] <jdehlin> Anyone know anything about using NFS with KVM?
[23:33] <unop> lwizardl, does it have to be rar?
[23:34] <rexnubulr> why not bzip2?
[23:34] <lwizardl> unop, like what?
[23:34] <spoon_man> !automate
[23:34] <RenatoSilva> anyone knows about fastCGI and/or MoinMoin on windows to talk to me in private?
[23:34] <skinnymg1> i have no problem connecting wpa or wpa2 in ubuntu
[23:34] <lwizardl> rexnubulr,  can that be used on windows also?
[23:34] <unop> lwizardl, i mean, why use rar, why not zip or bzip2 or something else?
[23:34] <RenatoSilva> #moin is uselees, newbies know more than them
[23:34] <rexnubulr> yes
[23:34] <pen> how to make totem support non UTF code?
[23:34] <pen> or change the video artist information?
[23:34] <pen> rmvb files
[23:35] <puff> Hm, that's odd and disturbing.  The ubuntu install seems to have hung after I selected the keyboard layout.
[23:35] <lwizardl> unop, I just want to split this file (7.5GB) into smaller files like 50mb chunks
[23:35] <rexnubulr> lwizardl: no problem
[23:35] <ubuntu_jambe> plop
[23:35] <RabidLockerGnome> Hey guys, does anyone know how to type Spanish characters using a US keyboard layout?
[23:35] <jrib> lwizardl: use the 'split' command
[23:36] <rexnubulr> lwizardl: do you want to do it through a gui or through console?
[23:36] <puff> Are there any things I can do to check the problem before holkding down the power button and rebooting the install
[23:36] <puff> ?
[23:36] <Xavura> eh
[23:36] <mneptok> RabidLockerGnome: use the US Int'l layout
[23:36] <Xavura> well my game still won't run after turning off desktop effects
[23:36] <jrib> puff: ctrl-alt-f1 get you to a tty?
[23:36] <Xavura> anyone here manage to get Eve Online working on Ubuntu 8.04
[23:36] <lwizardl> rexnubulr, either is fine
[23:36] <RabidLockerGnome> k
[23:36] <rexnubulr> RabidLockerGnome: scim?
[23:36] <jrib> puff: never mind, you're on the install
[23:36] <lwizardl> jrib, has to be usable on other systems such as windows or mac
[23:37] <jrib> lwizardl: meh, don't know then
[23:37] <rexnubulr> RabidLockerGnome: i use scim for chinese, but it supports almost all languages.
[23:37] <rexnubulr> lwizardl: zip is the easiest way to go.
[23:37] <RabidLockerGnome> k rexnubulr
[23:37] <kelvin>  Hi, might anyone help me to connect to a WIFI with WPA, because the driver in  NDISwrapper  " wpa_supplicant didn’t seem to work, even with the Dell driver but WEP worked" ?
[23:37] <jrib> lwizardl: there are commands to join the files on windows and macs (macs might even have split), but I don't know them
[23:37]  * puff holds down the power button.
[23:37] <unop> lwizardl,   rar a -v10K -vn archive.rar file_to_compress
[23:37] <johnnypea> spoon_man: thx :)
[23:37] <McChic> help with wireless
[23:37] <unop> lwizardl, ^^ should split your archive into 10K chunks
[23:38] <lwizardl> unop, thats the command I was looking for
[23:38] <rexnubulr> RabidLockerGnome: and you can find it in synaptic. it is the mainstream multilanguage thingy.
[23:38] <skinnymg1> does ubuntu support usb sound cards
[23:38] <lwizardl> someone told me it before but I forgot the option settings
[23:38] <pen> how to make totem support non UTF code?
[23:38] <pen> or change the video artist information?
[23:38] <pen> rmvb files
[23:38] <unop> lwizardl, all you have to do is read the rar manpage :)
[23:38] <unop> lwizardl, or use google :)
[23:39] <spoon_man> np johnnypea
[23:39] <lwizardl> unop, yeah I was looking on google for a way to output from the linux commands into a txt file so i could print them out for quick access
[23:39] <miles_> hi, just want to test to see that this is working
[23:40] <rexnubulr> lwizardl: look for linux cheat sheets.
[23:40] <pen> is it possible to use mplayer to generate video thumbnails in nautilus?
[23:40] <lwizardl> rexnubulr, good idea thanks :)
[23:40] <miles_> I'm super new to linux so bear with me, sorry
[23:40] <McChic> Can anybody help me figure out how to unfuck my wireless connection?
[23:40] <rexnubulr> lwizardl: there are some nice ones worth laminating even.
[23:40] <unop> lwizardl, digitized information is better, easier to index and search
[23:41] <lwizardl> rexnubulr, i have some cheatsheets for web stuff like html, css, php etc that was nicely done and free to download the pdf
[23:41] <skinnymg1> mcchic whats it doing
[23:41] <McChic> thanks skinny. Not sure
[23:41] <McChic> something changed
[23:41] <McChic> I can no longer scan for available networks
[23:41] <rexnubulr> lwizardl: but I am pretty sure gzip, bzip2 etc are all supported on mac and windows
[23:41] <skinnymg1> will just not connect
[23:41] <McChic> the option is just not there
[23:42] <McChic> I have the name of the network right, I have the default gateway right (same as the one I'm using now under xp
[23:42] <lwizardl> rexnubulr, i think you need either winrar or 7zip to use them
[23:42] <skinnymg1> have you tried to do a manual connection
[23:42] <RabidLockerGnome> rexnubulr, i'm just gonna use US international + dead keys, that seems to work fine, thanks for ur help though
[23:42] <pen> is it possible to use mplayer to generate video thumbnails in nautilus?
[23:42] <McChic> even tried dhclient -r then dhclient but it couldn't find an ip for me
[23:42] <rexnubulr> lwizardl: ya 7zip is good.
[23:42] <skinnymg1> what kind of router is it
[23:43] <ajcis55> hey all.
[23:43] <McChic> leme see if I can get that info from here, skinny
[23:43] <rexnubulr> McChic: try setting a static ip and then ping self?
[23:43] <McChic> HP WLAN 802.11a/b/g W500
[23:43] <johanjof> hello
[23:43] <McChic> Was working till I 'fixed' it
[23:44] <skinnymg1> is it wpa wep or open
[23:44] <McChic> I had hit the hardware wireless button, turning wireless off, then tried to fix it by redoing the setup
[23:44] <McChic> wep
[23:44] <McChic> open
[23:44] <McChic> correct password, all that's fine
[23:44] <ajcis55> any chance I can get some help? I have an atheros 57000ag wifi chip and was using madwifi drivers. With the latest updates, my card has completely disappeared. Any ideas/suggestions?
[23:44] <johanjof> I DONT have gnome-screensaver installed, but however my screen goes blank after a few time. Does anyone has an idea how can I disable this ?
[23:44] <McChic> just that it doesn't work and for some reason the option to scan for available networks went missing
[23:45] <McChic> and the option to scan for available networks went missing
[23:45] <skinnymg1> have you tried iwconfig
[23:45] <rexnubulr> McChic: you tried like iwlist devname scan?
[23:45] <McChic> what will happen if I do iwconfig?
[23:45] <skinnymg1> open a terminal and type it in
[23:45] <McChic> I have to shut down and reboot under linux to try anything (fail, take notes, boot under xp, try again...)
[23:45] <kelvin>  Hi, might anyone help me to connect to a WIFI with WPA, because the driver in  NDISwrapper  " wpa_supplicant didn’t seem to work, even with the Dell driver but WEP worked" ?
[23:46] <rexnubulr> I think iwlist will not scan unless it is in sudo or su, but I oculd be wrong.
[23:46] <McChic> rex, it was doing it before through the gui
[23:46] <rexnubulr> is your hostname set correctly?
[23:47] <rexnubulr> in the /etc/hosts
[23:47] <McChic> No, it's blank. How do I know what to put there?
[23:47] <Lunks> poll: what was the first mmorpg invented?
[23:47] <skinnymg1> is your wireless enabled in the network menu
[23:47] <unavailable> runescape?
[23:48] <McChic> rex, how do I know what to put for a hostname?
[23:48] <NetEcho> Hi I have a HP PSC 2355xi and right off the bat from installation the printer is working I'm just figuring out how to use the scanner under ubuntu but can't seem to find anything
[23:48] <rexnubulr> McChic: as root or sudo edit /etc/hosts.
[23:48] <rexnubulr> I can not remember the gtksudo command.
[23:48] <Lunar_Lamp> !qt
[23:48] <SoulKeepe2> Uh, my update manager can't check for updates. :/
[23:48] <unavailable> Saga of Ryzom
[23:49] <skinnymg1> its sudo gedit
[23:49] <NetEcho> Anyone know how to scan using a HP PSC under Ubuntu?
[23:49] <rexnubulr> ok then sudo gedit /etc/hosts
[23:49] <unavailable> Islands of Kesmai
[23:49] <McChic> rex, what will I find in /etc/hosts? which info am I looking for?
[23:49] <Slart> skinnymg1: never use sudo with a gui program
[23:49] <johanjof>  I DONT have gnome-screensaver installed, but however my screen goes blank after a few time. Does anyone has an idea how can I disable this ? Thank you
[23:49] <rexnubulr> well you should by default have <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[23:49] <Slart> !gksudo | skinnymg1
[23:49] <unavailable> The Realm Online
[23:50] <McChic> rex, that's not what I want in the hosts field, is it? localhost?
[23:50] <skinnymg1> damn did i just kill someone or something
[23:50] <SoulKeepe2> =/
[23:50] <skinnymg1> all the red
[23:50] <rexnubulr> McChic: I have <IP_ADDRESS> localhost Ubuntu
[23:50] <rexnubulr> all on the same line and it works for me, it resolved my authentication issues. So I assume the syntax is correct.
[23:51] <skinnymg1> i use sudo all the time never had a problem
[23:51] <unavailable> skinnymg1 so have i but i have been told countless times to use gksudo and sudo -i
[23:51] <mrdurant> ohh hello
[23:51] <ajcis55> any chance I can get some help? I have an atheros 57000ag wifi chip and was using madwifi drivers. With the latest updates, my card has completely disappeared. Any ideas/suggestions?
[23:51] <ixeman> canal español
[23:51] <unavailable> !es > ixeman
[23:52] <Slart> skinnymg1: it can cause all kinds of havoc... home folder destruction etc.. or so I've heard
[23:52] <mrdurant> ajcis- just use et
[23:52] <oneman> hello
[23:52] <S4nD3r> I will install new kernel version
[23:52] <SoulKeepe2> So uh, anyone able to help me figure out why my update manager fails epicly?
[23:52] <skinnymg1> as long as you pay attention your ok using it
[23:52] <Slart> skinnymg1: I think I've actually talked to one or two people here in the channel that had their systems trashed by using sudo with a gui program.. and having extremely bad luck
[23:52] <oneman> I need some help, Ive got a broken package some how stopping me from adding or removing any packages in any way
[23:52] <neXyon> Hello! I installed ubuntu and afterwards the kde desktop. When I did that synaptics asked me which login manager to use and I said gdm, now I want to change to kdm, how can I recall that dialogue?
[23:53] <rexnubulr> SoulKeepe2: is your host file setup correctly?
[23:53] <Blaqlight> anyone have any idea how to build a custom kernel?
[23:53] <ajcis55> et? sorry, I haven't used linux THAT much
[23:53] <S4nD3r> I will install <IP_ADDRESS>-rt, any problem??
[23:53] <SoulKeepe2> Uh, Set up correctly?
[23:53] <mrdurant> sudo is fine for gui ok
[23:53] <oneman> Its postgresql , somehow the upgrade to it did not complete and left the package in some kind of incomplete state,  I can't remove it using normal methods
[23:53] <kelvin>  Hi, might anyone help me to connect to a WIFI with WPA, because the driver in  NDISwrapper  " wpa_supplicant didn’t seem to work, even with the Dell driver but WEP worked" ?
[23:53] <rexnubulr> SoulKeepe2: is your host defined?
[23:53] <SoulKeepe2> ...Yeh
[23:53] <oneman> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/postgresql-8.3_8.3.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[23:53] <oneman>  unable to install (supposed) new info file `/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/postinst': Is a directory
[23:53] <SoulKeepe2> It worked just fine earlier. :/
[23:54] <skinnymg1> i actually use xubuntu so mine is sudo mousepad
[23:54] <rexnubulr> oh I am lost then.
[23:54] <oneman> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute old post-removal script: Permission denied
[23:54] <oneman> How can I find the postgres package removal script?
[23:54] <yoyoned> Blaqlight: why do you want a different kernel
[23:54] <mrdurant> first you get et then you use et
[23:54] <SoulKeepe2> Yah, I'm lost too. :/
[23:55] <Blaqlight> I want to customize the one I have... perhaps increasing efficiency.
[23:55] <jisatsu> whenever I open my home folder, nautilus starts using massive amounts of ram (like, all of it), any idea what might cause that?
[23:55] <yoyoned> Blaqlight: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[23:55] <mrdurant> ok to fix nautilus you need to get a trash bag and throw the parts of the bit all over it
[23:55] <Blaqlight> also when I do uname -r I don't to see -generic.
[23:56] <S4nD3r> I will install <IP_ADDRESS>-rt, any problem??
[23:56] <wind0r> lo
[23:56] <S4nD3r> If I install server, it will be faster in my laptop?
[23:56] <johanjof>  I DONT have gnome-screensaver installed, but however my screen goes blank after a few time. Does anyone has an idea how can I disable this ? Thank you
[23:57] <wind0r> i have problem when compiling some program
[23:57] <ajcis55> johan, check power settings to make sure it's not turning off monitor?
[23:57] <wind0r> i want to make it platform independent
[23:57] <wind0r> but i get it compiled to work with shared libraries
[23:57] <Blaqlight> geez as if that page didn't wholely discourage you from trying it I don't know what does...
[23:58] <johanjof> ajcis55: all sliders are set to "never"
[23:58] <GizmoTheG> any linux on ps3 guy?
[23:58] <tikihead> is there a separate channel to discuss UME and eee support?
[23:58] <Flannel> wind0r: #ubuntu-offtopic would be a better place for this topic
[23:58] <GizmoTheG> need halp plox :P
[23:58] <ajcis55> is it only when on battery, or both?
[23:58] <johanjof> ajcis55: its not a laptop
[23:58] <mrdurant> my pussy is REALLY sore!!
[23:58] <ajcis55> ahh
[23:58] <Blaqlight> ...
[23:58] <Daviey> !ops | mrdurant
[23:59] <rexnubulr> mrdurant: you are drunk.
[23:59] <ajcis55> ugh. sorry johan. i'm not that good with linux. that was really my only idea
[23:59] <pen> is it possible to use mplayer to generate video thumbnails in nautilus?