[12:50] <DanaG> Wow, for once, Linux suspend worked again!
[01:33] <Dana1> That
[01:34] <Dana1> That's odd: when I resume from sleep, KDE apps can no longer open files or directories.
[01:34] <Dana1> It just sits there, doing nothing.
[02:15] <rat_> Hi all question is there a command in the terminal that can tell me the Horiz and Vertcal of my monitors. I am needing those in my xorg.conf file and I don't know how to find them out.
[02:16] <crdlb> rat_, if you don't know them, just leave the values off
[02:17] <crdlb> X will try to autodetect them
[04:04] <DanaG> Next week, I need to file a hal+gnome-power-manager bug on brightness control.
[04:04] <DanaG> Oh, and it's partly a kernel bug, too, perhaps:  /sys/class/backlight does not have all the info that /proc/acpi/video has,
[04:05] <DanaG> namely, the available brightness levels, and default AC and battery brightness levels.
[04:32] <Ashbringer> Hey, does anyone know whats up with the current feisty memstick driver? The .h file is missing in the stable and git releases...
[04:34] <borschty_> this is the channel for gutsy, feisty is stable already
[04:35] <Ashbringer> This is a dev channel, and feisty has a problem in its kernel source
[04:36] <borschty_> you should file a bug report using launchpad
[04:36] <Ashbringer> That problem being that a file is missing, and its missing in all versions. If I'm in the wrong channel, by all means redirect me, but the ubuntu development channel seems like the right place for this.
[04:36] <Ashbringer> This isn't a bug. No program is malfunctioning; the memstick driver is incomplete.
[04:38] <borschty_> this is the channel of the ubuntu development version the ubuntu-development chan is #ubuntu-devel, but i think #ubuntu-bugs might be the best place to ask
[04:38] <borschty_> but filing a bug helps the developers keeping track of that bug so you should do that anyway
[04:38] <gnomefreak> Ashbringer: it was filied as a bug early this morning
[04:38] <DanaG> The bug report is already there, at least for tifm_7xx1
[04:38] <Ashbringer> Finally
[04:39] <DanaG> Another odd thing on my laptop:
[04:39] <DanaG> FN-Super is ctrl-alt-del.
[04:39] <DanaG> Who knows why they made that so.....
[04:40] <DanaG> Wow, that's a really SUPER function!  Nyuk, nyuk.
[04:40] <borschty_> how many xservers did you kill before finding out? ;)
[04:41] <puck> Anyone using VMware server on gutsy?
[04:44] <DanaG> None.  I was sitting in my BIOS menu, or at Grub, when I tested it.
[04:47] <DanaG> damnit, that plugin must go.  It did that LOCALLY and SENT it instead of running ubotu.
[04:48] <DanaG> T'was a Pidgin plugin: "/exec" -- makes '!' send the results of something.
[04:48] <DanaG> !info
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <DanaG> aah, much better.  !info etherape
[04:51] <DanaG> http://plugins.guifications.org/trac/wiki/slashexec?format=txt
[04:51] <DanaG> Somebody needs to tell the devs that "bangexec" is a bad idea.
[05:29] <ToHellWithGA> my wireless card doesn't exist on the new kernel
[05:29] <ToHellWithGA> or rather it isn't found and assigned a name like eth1, ra0, ath0, etc.
[05:30] <ToHellWithGA> how should i file such a bug?
[05:32] <crimsun> which driver does it use?
[05:32] <ToHellWithGA> rt2500
[05:32] <crimsun> do you have the linux-generic metapackage installed along with ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-desktop?
[05:32] <ToHellWithGA> i don't recall the name of the new ralink driver
[05:33] <ToHellWithGA> crimsun: yessir, all 3.
[05:34] <crimsun> pastebinned your `dmesg` somewhere?
[05:35] <ToHellWithGA> i'd need to get that after booting the sketchy kernel
[05:35] <ToHellWithGA> i'll brb after restarting into that one to get it
[05:42] <ToHellWithGA> crimsun: http://thestonepedo.dyndns.org/files/dmesg_2007_06_05.txt
[05:42] <crimsun> not in a position to debug for another day
[05:42] <ToHellWithGA> it's not exactly a pastebin, but i reckon my apache server can handle all those characters
[05:43] <ToHellWithGA> would a link to that with a bug report of "rt2500-based chipset not assigned an interface" work?
[05:43] <ToHellWithGA> that's all i really know of it since i don't know what part of which bit of the kernel is failing
[06:24] <RAOF> Now, to teach gnome-power-manager that 20% battery charge corresponds to more than 0 minutes of useage left!
[06:44] <puck> Is there a commercial repository for gutsy?  ftp://archive.canonical.com isn't showing me the directories or files present.
[06:44] <puck> But http://archive.canonical.com works
[06:45] <puck> And no gutsy-commercial
[06:45] <ToHellWithGA> good
[06:45] <RAOF> I wouldn't think so, at this point?
[06:45] <ToHellWithGA> let them develop the all-free version first
[06:45] <ToHellWithGA> then let them have their commercial silliness
[06:45] <puck> Yeah, just trying to track down a working vmware server
[06:46] <ToHellWithGA> puck: have you tried Virtualbox?
[06:46] <ToHellWithGA> it's free .deb if not free speech yet
[06:47] <ToHellWithGA> the .deb has slightly more than you can legally build into it from free source
[06:47] <puck> Nope, haven't heard of it
[06:48] <puck> The catch is I already have some VMware images I need to access
[06:48] <RAOF> Don't you just need the player then?
[06:49] <puck> I don't think the player will work either.  The kernel modules aren't compiling.
[06:51] <ToHellWithGA> puck: what kind of image is it?
[06:51] <ToHellWithGA> the guest/vm image format, that is
[06:52] <puck> Whatever type VMware server creates.  But it is running Windows XP
[06:54] <ToHellWithGA> virtualbox uses .vdi files
[06:54] <ToHellWithGA> dunno if that's just a disk image or specs for the machine as well
[06:55] <ToHellWithGA> if the VM is XP a hardware change would render it unusable
[06:55] <ToHellWithGA> so the VM server would have to have similar bogus hardware
[08:51] <DanaG> er, wrong tab.
[08:51] <DanaG> http://paste.uni.cc/16126
[08:51] <DanaG> For Cal Poly ResNet.  Glad I live off campus.
[08:52] <Quinn_Storm> this is why I would live off campus were I to go to a university
[08:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, since the plan to re-merge Beryl and Compiz, both projects have sort of gone "out of sight, out of mind" to me.
[08:54] <DanaG> I still use Beryl 2.1, except for plugins version 1.999999-something, because that was the last to allow transparent cube with magic lamp / sidekick.
[08:55] <DanaG> er, is it 1.2.1? .... whatever.
[08:56] <Quinn_Storm> well, opencomm/compcomm/whatever is getting better quickly and we will have a name soon(ish) and a release soon after
[08:56] <DanaG> I'm starting to like Coral ... as long as you can find fitting names for the windeco apps.
[08:56] <Quinn_Storm> that might be a problem
[08:57] <DanaG> Beryl does it right: all are gems (kinda-nice kinda-lame play on words).
[08:57] <Quinn_Storm> not just gems
[08:57] <Quinn_Storm> they are all forms of beryl
[08:58] <DanaG> Right, I forgot that part.
[08:58] <DanaG> Now look at the Pidgin project: prefs go in .purple, of all places.  And WTF does a finch have to do with a pidgin/pigeon (yes, I do like the play on words with the latter)?
[08:59] <Quinn_Storm> purple comes from prpl, which is preferences for plugin (I think)
[09:01] <DanaG> protocol plugin.
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> can someone do uname -r and tell me what kernel they are using?
[09:01] <DanaG> 2.6.22-6-generic, I think.
[09:01] <Quinn_Storm> yeah 2.6.22-generic here too
[09:03] <Hobbsee> -6-generic is the kernel for tribe 1
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks Quinn_Storm dwa
[09:03] <Admiral_Chicago> Hobbsee: great thats what i needed to know
[09:03] <Hobbsee> unless the world breaks
[09:03] <Hobbsee> but that's the plan
[09:03] <Quinn_Storm> btw for those having suspend/resume issues with the intel modesetting driver, this xorg.conf fixes things for me - http://metascape.afraid.org:13666/~quinn/xorg.conf - see specifically in the section for the video card
[09:04] <DanaG> Odd thing for me: I re-flashed to the latest BIOS, and now suspend works again.
[09:04] <DanaG> At least sometimes.
[09:05] <Quinn_Storm> I had intermittant failures (traced down to memory getting klobbered) that this xorg.conf fixes by making the driver use a static blob of alloc'd memory instead of a dynamic memory manager
[09:15] <phin_> Quinn_Storm: what chipset are you using?
[09:16] <Quinn_Storm> intel, 945gm (i915), ich7 mobo (asus z35Fm Darter)
[09:16] <phin_> hmmm
[09:16] <phin_> my laptop has the 855gm
[09:16] <phin_> and i get alot of suspend resume issues
[09:16] <phin_> i'll give that xorg a whirl, ive tried just about everything else
[09:16] <phin_> lol
[09:17] <Quinn_Storm> heh, it might not work, back up your old one
[09:17] <phin_> ive got about 30 of them
[09:17] <phin_> lol
[09:17] <phin_> im gonna just take the lines you put in
[09:17] <phin_> and see if the ydo it
[09:17] <phin_> they*
[09:17] <phin_> in ever saw those before
[09:17] <phin_> i never*
[09:18] <phin_> ok and on that note, sleep time.  later
[09:48] <DanaG> Must sleep now.  Good night.
[11:03] <gnomefreak> anyone else running in to gpg issues in gutsy?
[11:07] <coNP> gnomefreak: what kind of gpg issues?
[11:07] <coNP> I use gutsy, gpg via enigmail and no "issues" so far
[11:08] <gnomefreak> coNP: try signing something outside of email
[11:11] <gnomefreak> example make a text file name it Release and try running gpg -o Release.gpg -abs Release on it
[11:13] <coNP> seems okay for me
[11:13] <coNP> how could I test if it really is?
[11:15] <gnomefreak> coNP: i gave you a way to test it.
[11:16] <coNP> okay that seems to work but how can I be sure that it works correctly?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> coNP: it should generate a Release.gpg file
[11:21] <coNP> okay, as I said it seems to work, I meant that is generated the .gpg file
[11:21] <gnomefreak> coNP: than i have alot of work to do ty
[11:22] <coNP> should I pastebin it somewhere or can I help somehow?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> no ill look into it further first
[12:16] <mikkael> where will i find tribe 1 when its released ?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> mikkael: in the topic of this channel
[12:17] <mikkael> okay, tomorrow ?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> mikkael: not sure yet. dont expect it to be on time
[12:18] <gnomefreak> mikkael: normally a day or so after the day they say. it all depends on how today goes
[12:19] <mikkael> is a seperated harddrive on a productive machine a safe place for gutsy ?
[12:20] <mikkael> in general i know how to fix broken stuff, since i used feisty from herd 2 on as my one and only os ..
[12:21] <mikkael> but people said, the feisty cycle was "calm"
[12:23] <gnomefreak> mikkael: feisty was calm
[12:23] <gnomefreak> mikkael: i cant say it will be safe but should be.
[12:23] <gnomefreak> for the separate drive
[12:24] <mikkael> and we gonna have ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu and edubuntu realeased at the same time ?
[12:51] <[miles] > does anyone know the command to fire up the ncurse menu to reconfigure the network cards please?
[01:01] <[miles] > hi, does anyone know the command to reconfigure the nic's in ncurse menu please?
[01:28] <stefg> So how do things look? will tribe1 be released tomorrow, as planned?
[01:33] <Amaranth> CD images are building right now
[01:33] <Amaranth> if they pass testing it'll be out tomorrow, i guess
[01:36] <stefg> Amaranth: ok... so given that the install won't wipe my partition table or lowlevel format my drives there should be a spare partition to test it on my system :-9
[01:36] <stefg> which is real good a bustibg ubuntu-kernels, i might add :-)
[01:36] <stefg> *busting
[01:39] <siesel> Hi
[01:40] <siesel> I have issues with the menu system, would like to know in which package I can search for a fix
[02:40] <onechard> !network
[02:40] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:18] <Vorbote> Has rhythmbox metadata reading broke to anyone? The last upload 0.11.0-0ubuntu3 broke tag reading for mp3 and FLAC here. (It is is not a gstreamer issue, banshee and other players work fine).
[04:45] <DanaG>  Configuring uswsusp
[04:45] <DanaG>   Instead of informative output you can enjoy a nice splash screen with progress bar during the suspend and resume process. For this to work you will need to have the splashy package installed.
[04:46] <DanaG> Odd, what about usplash?  Does splashy even work on Feisty/Gutsy?
[05:50] <onechard> !network
[05:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:54] <onechard> !kernel
[05:54] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[05:54] <onechard> !nforce
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nforce - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <hwilde> !nvidia exists
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia exists - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <hwilde> !nvidia
[05:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:55] <hwilde> oh wait that is geforce
[05:56] <onechard> yeah have found a network issue when going beyond kernel 2.6.20
[05:56] <hwilde> wep key?
[05:57] <onechard> no ethernet found but no receive will send packets but not recieve
[05:58] <hwilde> lo exists and is up?
[07:06] <hwilde> 125 people here and nobody talks
[07:11] <DexterF> hi
[07:12] <DexterF> I got some questions to which I get only dumbfire of faces in regular channels - is here appropriate?
[07:12] <hwilde> !ask
[07:12] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:13] <DexterF> ok.
[07:14] <DexterF> 1.: I just migrated from slackware to kubuntu 7.04. I noticed that a lot of apps in kde assimilated settings that are only set in my old kde home on slack. I dodn't copy them, it's not symlinkedd, kub has a new /home of its own. what's going on here?
[07:15] <hwilde> that is an option during install import settings
[07:15] <DexterF> 2.: USB_SUSPEND in 2.6.21 messes with my usb hub. works alright from live DVD, slackware, win xp, knoppix, you name it. kub 7.04: no go, dmesg lists something about "bad cable" (nonsense, hub works fine)
[07:16] <DexterF> hwilde: well, I don't remember actively telling kub to import any settings. how can I check what it does/did/is gonna do?
[07:17] <hwilde> well it sounds like it did import so there you go
[07:17] <DexterF> 3.: I'd really prefer submount over autofs, but there's no package and it won't compile, compiler errors are beyond me.
[07:17] <DexterF> hwilde: well if it did, it imported this and that but not the other. stange imo. can I manually trigger import or is there an app that deos it?
[07:18] <hwilde> DexterF, 2. apt-get install usbmgr usbmount usbutils usbview.  these tools will give you some insight into the usb hub
[07:18] <hwilde> DexterF, I dunno I have only seen the import on install, and never used it.
[07:18] <hwilde> DexterF, 3. Get over it and use autofs then if you can't make submount work...
[07:18] <DexterF> not really what I'd like to hear, autofs sucks hard.
[07:19] <hwilde> then I suggest you learn to compile submount
[07:20] <hwilde> or try www.getdebs.net
[07:23] <DexterF> hwilde: well, submount compiled just fine on slack, which uses gcc3, so I suspect gcc4 to be a syntax nazi or so. il check that link.
[07:24] <DexterF> that site doesn't exist
[07:27] <hwilde> ummm
[07:28] <hwilde> www.getdeb.net
[07:32] <DexterF> no go. guess ill find some coders....
[07:59] <limetang> Hi. Whenever I do System -> Quit, the dialogue box which should appear takes a few minutes to do so.
[08:18] <finalbeta> limetang: that's been posted on the gutsy forum. a bugreport has been made. search please.
[08:19] <limetang> Oh, errr... Sorry.
[08:20] <DanaG> Whenever I do system->quit, the dialog appears right away; however, sometimes selecting "log out" kills all input without ending my session.
[08:43] <DigitalNinja> When does gutsy come out?
[08:46] <kalpik> DigitalNinja, October '07
[08:47] <DigitalNinja> Is there a way I can put up a mirror and help push out gutsy
[08:48] <DigitalNinja> Or are the mirrors controlled by the ubuntu team
[08:54] <kalpik> DigitalNinja, you can become an official mirror, but you have to ask on ubuntu.com
[08:54] <DigitalNinja> I see
[08:54] <DigitalNinja> Maybe that's not something I should do
[08:55] <DigitalNinja> Not sure how long I can keep the server up and running
[08:56] <DigitalNinja> I would like to offer the service though
[08:56] <limetang> It isn't just a home computer, is it?
[08:58] <DigitalNinja> No
[08:58] <DigitalNinja> I would get something at server beach or rack space
[08:59] <limetang> K, just checking.
[08:59] <DigitalNinja> I'm assuming the download speed from them would be fast but I have never tried it
[09:00] <DigitalNinja> server beach has good prices
[09:00] <DigitalNinja> maybe I should give them a call
[09:01] <Dutchy> what are these 'tribe cds' listed on the schedule
[09:20] <DanaG> On my laptop, the PC speaker no longer works after snd-hda-intel loads.
[09:20] <DanaG> Is that a bug, or a feature?  You decide.
[09:30] <edgy> DanaG: it also doesn't work for me but are you sure it works for you before that?
[09:32] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: feature
[10:40] <johnnybuoy> hi all!
[10:41] <johnnybuoy> this may very well not be gutsy related, but I can't find an answer to it:
[10:41] <johnnybuoy> trying to compile telepathy-sharp I get this:
[10:41] <johnnybuoy> /bin/bash: no: command not found
[10:41] <johnnybuoy> what could contain this "no" it's talking about?
[11:32] <techwhore> anyone here using ubuntu+1 to work ?
[11:35] <borschty_> i use ubuntu+1 as only os on my desktop pc (still have my laptop running feisty in case something crashs)
[11:39] <puck> techwhore:  I am, on my notebook
[11:40] <puck> Suspend is an off again on again affair.


[00:04] <m0nkey_> WTF?  :-P
[00:21] <daftykins> standard childish then
[00:22] <m0nkey_> lol.. http://i.imgur.com/THWNNKz.gifv
[00:24] <m0nkey_> Found a longer version :) https://streamable.com/gjklh
[01:19] <daftykins> haha wow check this out, i decided to explore the wood damage https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vr4kqin5ak002i6/AADwQEivEM65sReucTkGqus0a?dl=0
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[18:37] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/o8njdizw5hd4ksl/AAB5DDXagT7Wxj3jo8czZDRra?dl=0
[18:37] <daftykins> bit more progress with my old man's help!
[20:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi


[03:38] <Obliteron> Hello
[03:43] <Obliteron> What are XFCE's plans for Wayland?
[03:44] <Obliteron> When will there be support?
[03:46] <krytarik> It's not planned yet.
[03:48] <Obliteron> In my opinion one day they will have support!
[03:50] <Obliteron> Do you know more or less when will such a change occur?
[03:55] <krytarik> Not before Wayland is generally more supported by various things anyway, like particularly video drivers too.
[06:43] <xubuntu50i> hello
[13:58] <xubuntu36w> hey. I want to install xubuntu, but I dont know that I can use photoshop in it?
[13:58] <xubuntu36w> I want to install the newest photoshop
[13:58] <xubuntu36w> anyone can help me?
[21:41] <JackVermicelli> I'm recently unable to suspend or shutdown from GUI; I have to shutdown via terminal. If I try to suspend via "systemctl suspend", I get "Failed to suspend system via logind: There's already a shutdown or sleep operation in progress." 17.10, 4.13.0-17
[21:42] <JackVermicelli> systemctl list-jobs yields
[21:42] <JackVermicelli> "2372 suspend.target          start waiting"
[21:42] <JackVermicelli> and
[21:42] <JackVermicelli> "2373 systemd-suspend.service start running"
[21:57] <JackVermicelli> Not sure if related (though the timeframes co-incide), but pidgin has no connection to any network after some point, unless I close it and then start it again with pidgin -f
[22:27] <apurv> hi, is there any way I can disable dedicated AMD graphics on my laptop?
[22:28] <JackVermicelli> There's likely an option for that if you go into BIOS when booting up. Look for a message about hitting ...F2? before the operating system starts.
[22:29] <apurv> the laptop is in a dual-boot, so I want the graphics to work on Windows, just want a way to make sure that Xubuntu is using the intel HD graphics because of better drivers and less graphically intensive work
[22:30] <JackVermicelli> I'm sorry. I'm unaware of a way to disable them on a per-OS basis, but I'm no expert.
[22:31] <apurv> JackVermicelli: no problem :)


[09:37] <kwwii> hi andreasn
[08:15] <frandavid100> hiya!
[08:19] <troy_s> hiya! frandavid100
[08:19] <frandavid100> hey troy
[08:21] <frandavid100> is there a tango-icon-theme maintainer around?
[08:24] <troy_s> absolutely
[08:24] <troy_s> we have several of the tango celebrities come in here often...
[08:24] <troy_s> let's see if i can summon one for you...
[08:24] <troy_s> andreasn
[08:26] <frandavid100> oh andreasn is in charge of tango, that's right
[08:27] <frandavid100> I wanted to point you to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tango-icon-theme/+bug/103630
[08:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 103630 in tango-icon-theme "Include attached new GTK actions icons in Tango for Feisty (was: 20x20 new icons not in index.theme)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:27] <frandavid100> cause it's only one week for feisty and it would be a real shame to release it without having it fixed by then... :(
[08:28] <troy_s> frandavid100: andreasn, lapo, and others frequent here... you might want to idle and see if you can catch them.
[08:29] <frandavid100> sure!
[08:29] <troy_s> frandavid100: Ultimately, that would also need to be coordinated with kwwii -- as he is the only one who frequents here with write access to the Ubuntu bzr repos.
[08:29] <troy_s> frandavid100: In fact, kwwii might have something already in the works.  It is hard to say.
[08:29] <kwwii> hi
[08:29] <kwwii> here I be
[08:29] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:30] <frandavid100> hi kwii
[08:30] <kwwii> all this beeping from my chat client interupted my film :p
[08:30] <frandavid100> have you seen what we were talking about?
[08:30] <kwwii> yeah, just read back, let me check them out
[08:31] <frandavid100> sure man
[08:32] <kwwii> frandavid100: I think that this problem exists because it was decided to put the icons in tangerine until they go into gnome/gtk itself
[08:32] <andreasn> hi frandavid100!
[08:32] <frandavid100> hey andreasn
[08:32] <frandavid100> how you doing?
[08:32] <andreasn> frandavid100: I'm afraid I'm on the run, but I'll look at it when I get back home again
[08:32] <kwwii> frandavid100: basically, you want us to put the icons we put in tangerine (those from the tango sprint) also in the tango theme, right?
[08:33] <frandavid100> yup
[08:33] <frandavid100> it's weird because tango has the 16x16 icons but not 20x20
[08:33] <frandavid100> and tangerine has the 20x20 but not 16
[08:34] <andreasn> see you later!
[08:35] <frandavid100> bye man
[08:35] <kwwii> frandavid100: I have spent the last couple of weeks banging my head against the icon themes included and I have to say that I have found no pattern reason yet
[08:36] <kwwii> frandavid100: I'll find out exactly why things are as they are and what we can do about it
[08:36] <frandavid100> could you elaborate? what's the problem exactly?
[08:36] <kwwii> well, my guess would be that they do not want to include the same icons twice
[08:36] <kwwii> and putting them in both tango and tangerine makes little sense
[08:37] <frandavid100> so... couldn't you just include them in either and then have the other inherit them?
[08:37] <kwwii> ideally, they will go in gnome eventually, I guess
[08:37] <troy_s> frandavid100: As Free Software tends to be an evolutionary thing, the size differences are likely related to some historical development.  As kwwii says, no exact 'pattern' :)
[08:37] <kwwii> frandavid100: I could easily include them in tangerine, would that be good enough for you?
[08:38] <kwwii> I am not exactly sure why they were put in tangerine though
[08:38] <kwwii> but as long as we keep them in one place (trying to start some kind of order) I have no problem with that, and at the moment they happen to be in tangerine
[08:39] <frandavid100> Is there a chance to put them in tangerine (both sizes) then make tango inherit icons from tangerine?
[08:39] <frandavid100> so they're not in the tango folder, but they still show if you use tango
[08:39] <kwwii> frandavid100: yeah, I guess that might work
[08:39] <kwwii> frandavid100: in fact, that sounds like the best way to do it atm
[08:39] <kwwii> I have to ask for every change now, so once I get a response I'll do it
[08:40] <frandavid100> gimme a minute then, I'd like to check something
[08:44] <frandavid100> see you now kwwii
[09:01] <frandavid100> Hi again!
[09:02] <frandavid100> sorry, gaim crashed
[09:03] <frandavid100> not sure if you're back from the show kwwii
[09:07] <frandavid100> I'll be back in a while, see ya!
[09:11] <kwwii> re


[01:45] <bkad-work> I have a question about the reload command in upstart
[01:46] <bkad-work> i'm using upstart to manage a java process which  reloads it's config when it gets SIGHUP
[01:47] <bkad-work> i thought `initctl reload java_thingy` would send SIGHUP to it
[01:48] <bkad-work> but it seems to log "java_thingy main process (12830) killed by HUP signal" "java_thingy main process ended, respawning"
[01:48] <bkad-work> and spawns a duplicate process, leaving two java_thingies running
[01:49] <bkad-work> doing `kill -HUP pid` seems to do the trick, but I'd like to do it through upstart


[00:20] <monkey1883> hello
[00:54] <new2linux> Hello
[00:55] <new2linux> I have a problem when installing Xubuntu. The Installation process freezws at 15% the mouse will not even move.
[02:10] <DarkTan> is there a special install method for SCSI drives?
[02:22]  * DarkTan taps in the screen
[02:22]  * gaurdro gets the windex and cleans the screen.
[02:23] <gaurdro> i dunno,  having issues?
[02:23] <DarkTan> yeah, i have replaced every conciviable componet and burned two more CD, but every time i try to install from CD it gets to 2 percent of getting need files and tells me the CD is no good
[02:23] <DarkTan> CD works in other computers
[02:24] <DarkTan> CD works in same CD drive in other computers
[02:24] <DarkTan> IDE cable works with same CD in same CD drive in other computers
[02:24] <gaurdro> have you done the cd test option of the cd's boot menu?
[02:24] <DarkTan> CD drive and CD are fully accessable from windows, and i am even able to copy the entire CD with out and issue
[02:25] <DarkTan> will not work in the problem computer, will work in a different computer
[02:25] <DarkTan> even when using the same drive
[02:31] <DarkTan> is there anyway to install xubuntu while still in windows to a black drive?
[02:46] <sliverchair> anyone please answer this,                                                           Create a shell script dirtest, that will store the file listing of your root directory to dir.out; then filter and display only on the the directory that starts with either the letter 'e', 'm', 's' and store to dir1.out.
[02:46] <sliverchair> cd /; ls | grep [e,m,s] > dir1.out; cat dir1.out
[02:46] <sliverchair> is that right?
[03:30] <eirehack> sliverchair: that checks out, to me!
[03:30] <eirehack> oh, theyre gone...
[03:36] <new2linux> You guys have a Xubuntu Convert I got it finally installed today. Thanks you for the help
[03:36] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: cool! did it finally continue?
[03:37] <new2linux> Ya I had to boot Xubuntu Live up not just the installer
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: i was going to suggest just to use the alternative cd... but then you left...
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> but anyways, gald it works...
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> glad
[03:40] <new2linux> I actually had tried the alternative and regular CD's and they were all bad burns so I then tried other ways (trying to fit it on a 256mb flash drive and a floppy) Then I decided to re-try the other "bad burns" andone worked.l
[03:41] <new2linux> So in the menu there were two options Install Xubuntu and Try Xubuntu the Install Xubuntu failded twice so I tried installing through the try Xubuntu and it worked.
[03:41] <new2linux> Thanks for the help
[03:42] <new2linux> See ya
[07:47] <S_A> Hi! is it possible to have xubuntu in less thn 500MB disc space ?
[07:47] <TheSheep> I guess it won't be xubuntu anymore
[07:48] <TheSheep> Since you would have to make extensive changes anyways, you could use as a base a distro that's more suited for tinkering
[07:48] <S_A> TheSheep: I am talking about core + xfe.
[07:49] <TheSheep> not sure how much space that uses
[07:49] <S_A> TheSheep: I do not need gcc or office apps
[07:49] <TheSheep> gcc is not installed by default in xubuntu anyways
[08:21] <knome> S_A, you can use the minimal cd and then install what you need.
[08:21] <knome> S_A, i can't promise you it stays under 500, though
[08:21] <knome> S_A, depends a lot on what you need to install
[10:58] <ongolaBoy> hi all, when i try to update my system i got this errors : http://paste.ubuntu.com/56965/
[11:14] <ongolaBoy> (re)submit my issue, when i try to update my system i got this errors : http://paste.ubuntu.com/56965/
[13:45] <coldhak> i'm having some difficulty getting my headset to work(microsoft lifechat lx-3000)
[13:46] <coldhak> any idea where i should start?
[13:46] <vidd> coldhak, usb?
[13:46] <coldhak> yes
[13:47] <vidd> what does lsusb tell you it is?
[13:48] <coldhak> could be either of two of them. my keyboard's one of  them
[13:48] <coldhak> i think
[13:48] <vidd> ok....so what does lsusb say?
[13:48] <coldhak> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 045e:00dd Microsoft Corp.
[13:49] <coldhak> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 045e:070f Microsoft Corp.
[13:51] <vidd> ok....
[13:51] <vidd> did you enable mic recording in volume manager?
[13:53] <vidd> and next question....do you hear sound?
[13:53] <coldhak> mic feeds back into the headphones if I blow on it, but i don't hear other sound
[13:53] <vidd> or is the issue that you plug it in, and sound comes from your speakers and not the headset?
[13:53] <vidd> ok....
[13:53] <coldhak> that's it
[13:53] <coldhak> speakers work, headset doesn't
[13:53] <vidd> then simply change the default sound card
[13:54] <coldhak> how do i do that?
[13:54] <vidd> doyou have the volume manager plugin in the panel?
[13:54] <coldhak> "volume control"?
[13:55] <coldhak> yes
[13:55] <vidd> yes
[13:55] <vidd> right-click it and choose "properties
[13:55] <vidd> change the device
[13:55] <vidd> enjoy your stuff
[13:55] <vidd> =]
[13:55] <coldhak> <.< didn't fix it.
[13:56] <vidd> which devices are listed?
[13:56] <coldhak> speakers and the headset
[13:56] <vidd> hey....ill be back in like 10 minutes....
[13:56] <coldhak> and "default"
[13:56] <coldhak> ok
[13:56] <vidd> i need to smoke b4 my shift starts
[13:56] <vidd> you set to headset and licked "close"?
[13:57] <coldhak> yes.
[13:57] <coldhak> it changed the settings for the volume manager panel thingy, but no change to drivers
[14:06] <vidd> coldhak, try this to get the drivers installed :
[14:06] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=552896
[14:09] <vidd> hello maxamillion
[14:09] <vidd> havent seen ya in quite som time
[14:09] <maxamillion> vidd: hi hi
[14:09] <maxamillion> i hang out here every day from 8am-5pm
[14:10] <maxamillion> i stay on irssi while at work because my job is to admin RHEL servers and we participate in the community a lot ... so i'm always in #rhel :)
[14:10] <vidd> thn perhaps i need to pay better attention!
[14:10] <maxamillion> i'm not very talkative though;)
[14:11] <vidd> coldhak, that help ya?
[14:11] <coldhak> alsa's installed. aplay -l shows my headset
[14:12] <coldhak> no sound through it though
[14:12] <vidd> sound only thru pc speakers? or no sound at all now?
[14:12] <coldhak> only through speakers
[14:13] <coldhak> i already had alsa installed yesterday
[14:13] <vidd> then your xfce4-mixer is set to the wrong device
[14:14] <coldhak> i believe it might be a misconfiguration of alsa. i'm reading the docs on it
[14:14] <vidd> no...if alsa was messed up, you would have no sound at all
[14:15] <coldhak> hmm.
[14:15] <vidd> but your system is pumping sound thru your on-board card instead of the usb card (the headset)
[14:15] <coldhak> right
[14:16] <coldhak> so i'm going to try to set the default to the usb card
[14:16] <vidd> you should have 3 choices:
[14:16] <vidd> default, on-board, and headset in xfce4-mixer
[14:16] <vidd> set it to headset
[14:17] <vidd> leave the configuration for default alone
[14:17] <vidd> (or you may have issues with your deasktop speakers in the future)
[14:17] <vidd> simply select the headset in the drop-down
[14:18] <coldhak> what part of "did that already didn't work"...
[14:19] <vidd> so xfce4-mixer is currently set to something other then "default"?
[14:21] <coldhak> yeah, it was default, I set it to the headset.
[14:21] <coldhak> anyways, i'll brb. gotta restart to see if this edit worked
[14:21] <vidd> good luck
[14:28] <coldhak> no luck :(
[14:30] <vidd> then im out of ideas =\
[15:47] <WKID> Hi all. I work at a small radio station and we're testing Xubuntu and Flumotion to stream our broadcasts online. The volume was a little to loud so I was looking for some software to turn it down. I've installed tkmixer. My problem is when I first opened tkmixer the volume went from to loud to nothing. None of the sliders or options on tkmixer are helping. I also quit Flumotion and restarted, but
[15:47] <WKID> that didn't work either. Any ideas?
[15:48] <coldhak> i can't install gnome. http://paste.ubuntu.com/57037/ here's the error msg
[15:49] <Cahan> how do I disable the wastebasket? or at least stop xubuntu trying to copy things I delete from my mounted samba share over to my drive?  and how do I stop my laptop from beeping whenever I delete something?
[15:49] <WKID> coldhak: did you have synaptic or Add/Remove open when you tried to install GNOME?
[15:49] <coldhak> i've been trying for hours to get it working, but i can't find a way. it's like it just doesn't want to install anything gnome-related
[15:49] <coldhak> synaptic
[15:50] <coldhak> wait, what?
[15:50] <coldhak> no.
[15:50] <coldhak> then it'd say it couldn't get to the file 'cause it's locked.
[15:50] <coldhak> (not what the error says)
[15:50] <WKID> coldhak: O, OK. I'm sorry I read the pastebin wrong.
[15:51] <charlie-tca> Cahan: hold down right shift when you hit delete, then it won't go to trash
[15:51] <charlie-tca> WKID: Did you try the volume settings in the upper right of the panel?
[15:52] <Cahan> charlie-tca: thanks
[15:52] <charlie-tca> You're welcome
[15:53] <WKID> charlie-tca: Yes. But it had no effect on turning down the volume in Flumotion. That's when I installed tkmixer.
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Sorry to hear that. I don't know anything about Flumotion
[15:55] <WKID> charlie-tca: Yeah I'm kind of fumbling my way through it. I tried uninstalling tkmixer and then running the Flumotion wizard again. But when It's back up and running I still have no volume. I know Flumotion is using OSS. Do you know of a good volume manager for OSS? I tried the applet in the upper right, but it seems to only be for ALSA
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Volume manager works for OSS, but you may have to make sure nothing got muted in the mixer.
[16:00] <Sltoon> anyone alive?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> !anyone | Sltoon
[16:01] <coldhak> ...has nobody tried to install gnome?
[16:01] <Sltoon> okie dokie..
[16:02] <charlie-tca> coldhak: I have gnome and xfce desktops installed in 8.04.01
[16:02] <coldhak> did you install xfce into ubuntu or gnome into xubuntu?
[16:02] <charlie-tca> I installed Ubuntu and then installed xubuntu-desktop
[16:03] <coldhak> doesn't help me then :(
[16:03] <coldhak> i have xubuntu and want to install gnome
[16:03] <charlie-tca> Why not install ubuntu-desktop, which installs gnome
[16:03] <Sltoon> Does anyone know how to get my Xubuntu Desktop working again? After login, all I'm getting is a *blank* desktop with a mouse cursor. I'm unable to do anything there and logging out and back in repeatedly does not work. I've seen bug reports with similar problems but haven't seen a solution that works for me.  Replacing startxfce4 with xfce4-session does not work.. Help!
[16:04] <coldhak> doesn't work.
[16:04] <coldhak> Sltoon, start xfce4-panel ?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Sltoon: do you get the panels?
[16:04] <Sltoon> no panels at all
[16:04] <Sltoon> I'll try xfce4-panel
[16:05] <Sltoon> but that probably won't work because I'll have to get to terminal right?
[16:05] <coldhak> could try completely removing xfce4(with configs), and reinstalling
[16:05] <coldhak> ctrl+alt+f1 to get to terminal
[16:05] <Sltoon> I can't do anything in that blank desktop
[16:05] <charlie-tca> coldhak: from the pastebin, you don't have the dependencies for gnome, which ubuntu-desktop installs
[16:06] <coldhak> charlie-tca, I was under the impression that apt-get was supposed to install dependencies.
[16:06] <coldhak> also, "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" gets a similar result.
[16:07] <charlie-tca> ouch!
[16:07] <coldhak> i think the package managers are broken.
[16:07] <coldhak> or a repo issue maybe
[16:07] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu?
[16:08] <coldhak> the newest one
[16:08] <Sltoon> removing and reinstalling xfce4 would kill all my previous setting right?
[16:08] <coldhak> 8.1 i think
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Intrepid
[16:08] <charlie-tca> or Hardy
[16:08] <coldhak> hardy
[16:08] <charlie-tca> Sltoon: yes
[16:08] <coldhak> Sltoon, yeah, it would
[16:08] <Sltoon> ok
[16:08] <Sltoon> I'm fucked
[16:08] <charlie-tca> coldhak: did you do a apt-get update?
[16:09] <Sltoon> I think I'll wait 17 days until 8.10 comes out...
[16:09] <Sltoon> thanks guys
[16:09] <charlie-tca> :(
[16:09] <coldhak> charlie-tca,  yess, i did
[16:10] <vidd> darn...he left
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Maybe try dpkg --configure -a
[16:11] <coldhak> no luck
[16:11] <vidd> coldhak, can you pastebin your sourses?
[16:11] <coldhak> the sources.list?
[16:11] <vidd> yes
[16:12] <coldhak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57040/
[16:16] <coldhak> a few people on the 'net have had the same problem, but they all resolve it with "meh, i'll just reload the OS"
[16:19] <WKID> charlie-tca: FYI, tkmixer had muted my capture settings. I had to open alsamixer and arrow over to Capture and set it as the left and right output. Thanks for the help
[16:20] <charlie-tca> You're welcome. I'm glad I could help
[16:20] <vidd> coldhak, your sources are all missing
[16:21] <coldhak> ok, can i have your sources.list then?
[16:21] <vidd> yes
[16:23] <vidd> coldhak, http://paste.ubuntu.com/57045/
[16:26] <coldhak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57047/ still pretty much the same
[16:27] <coldhak> i wish it'd say why. "Depends:....but it's not going to be installed" WHY?
[16:27] <coldhak> :/
[16:27] <vidd> you have a version conflict
[16:28] <coldhak> ...damn.
[16:28] <vidd> give me a moment
[16:28] <coldhak> knew i should've kept using the old stuff. but the potential new shiny :(
[16:29] <vidd> coldhak, befor you install new stuff....update your old stuff
[16:29] <vidd> you have gutsy installed....
[16:30] <coldhak> ....
[16:30] <vidd> you need to upgrade to hardy first'
[16:30] <coldhak> you're kidding me.
[16:30] <vidd> nope
[16:30] <vidd> your old sourses said "gutsy
[16:30] <vidd> that is version 7.10
[16:30] <coldhak> why doesn't the update manager say "there's a new distro..."
[16:30] <charlie-tca> vidd: /why does he need to upgrade to hardy for gutsy?
[16:30] <vidd> mine was"hardy"
[16:30] <coldhak> I know that. i updated through the update manager from 6.10
[16:31] <vidd> charlie-tca, because he chnged his sourses to match mine
[16:31] <charlie-tca> OH
[16:32] <coldhak> usually the update manager says "there's a distro upgrade, would you like to?"
[16:32] <vidd> coldhak, either find/replace "hardy" with gutsy" or do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get distupgrade
[16:32] <vidd> coldhak, gutsy upgrade manager was disabled on my system as well
[16:33] <vidd> i had to manually update
[16:33] <coldhak> E: Invalid operation distupgrade
[16:33] <vidd> whoops
[16:33] <vidd> dist-upgrade
[16:34] <vidd> i missed the hyphen
[16:34] <coldhak> says there's nothing to upgrade
[16:34] <coldhak> isn't there a command i could run to check the distro version?
[16:34] <vidd> im sure there is
[16:35] <DCPom> if you do alt-ctrl-f1 it shows a terminal which says Ubuntu X.XX.X then you have to do alt-ctrl-f7 to get out
[16:36] <coldhak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57049/ i'm using hardy
[16:36] <coldhak> distro version isn't the problem
[16:39] <vidd> coldhak, now do the sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[16:40] <coldhak> ...i didn't change anything. results are the same.
[16:40] <vidd> if you get the "depends but not going to install" do a sudo apt-get install [package]
[16:41] <charlie-tca> You did change your sources list, right?
[16:41] <coldhak> yeah, to the copy of vidd's
[16:43] <vidd> coldhak, what does sudo apt-get install gimp-python give you?
[16:43] <coldhak>   gimp-python: Depends: gimp (= 2.4.5-1ubuntu2) but 2.4.6-1ubuntu1~hardy1 is to be installed
[16:43] <vidd> [pastebin results if it fails]
[16:43] <coldhak> i hates unecessary dependencies :(
[16:44] <coldhak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57051/
[16:45] <coldhak> gimp's already installed, v2.4.6
[16:45] <vidd> yeah
[16:45] <coldhak> -_- failure.
[16:45] <vidd> patience.....
[16:46] <coldhak> uninstalled gimp
[16:46] <coldhak>  gimp-python: Depends: gimp (= 2.4.5-1ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[16:46] <vidd> patience...
[16:47] <vidd> my system is slow
[16:47] <coldhak> can't reinstall the gimp
[16:47] <vidd> im going to get you the link for the .deb
[16:48] <coldhak> of gnome?
[16:48] <vidd> no...gimp-python
[16:48] <coldhak> ok
[16:48] <vidd> what happened to gimp?
[16:48] <coldhak> i told you, i just ininstalled it
[16:48] <coldhak> *uninstalled
[16:49] <vidd> so what is happening when you try to install it back?
[16:49] <coldhak> now i can't put it back. failed dependencies.
[16:49] <vidd> which items?
[16:49] <coldhak> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:49] <coldhak>   gimp: Depends: gimp-data (< 2.4.5-z) but 2.4.6-1ubuntu1~hardy1 is to be installed
[16:49] <coldhak>         Depends: libgimp2.0 (< 2.4.5-z) but 2.4.6-1ubuntu1~hardy1 is to be installed
[16:49] <coldhak> fail.
[16:51] <vidd> searching for old .debs is painstaking
[16:52] <vidd> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/graphics/gimp-data
[16:52] <coldhak> it's not worth all this trouble. i'd have to redo all this next time i reload. I'll just dl the ubuntu iso and install xubuntu-desktop on it
[16:53] <coldhak> seriously, i'd have to install dosens of packages :/
[16:53] <vidd> coldhak, you have your /home on a seperate partition?
[16:53] <coldhak> no.
[16:53] <vidd> you might want to back up your /home partition
[16:53] <coldhak> i keep most of my data outside my /home on /media/sdb1
[16:53] <vidd> that way all your settings, etc will be saved
[16:54] <coldhak> i've got a backup copy of my /home
[16:54] <vidd> good....
[16:54] <vidd> then do this:
[16:55] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge x11-common && sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[16:55] <vidd> this gets you do a basic cli-only system
[16:55] <coldhak> ....that looks volatile.
[16:55] <vidd> reboot....
[16:56] <vidd> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install [flavor]-desktop
[16:56] <vidd> it removes all the x11 stuff
[16:56] <vidd> and purges configuration files
[16:57] <vidd> its a "drop back ten yards and punt" approach
[16:57] <coldhak> i'm doing other things today, so i'll need to do that tomorrow
[16:57] <vidd> it will leave you with a fully functional cli-only
[16:57] <coldhak> :o WoW works in wine.
[16:57] <vidd> yes it does
[16:58] <oklinux> any one try archlinux
[16:58] <vidd> it has for quite some time
[16:58] <coldhak> takes up tons more CPU than on windows though
[16:58] <vidd> oklinux, is it deb-based?
[16:58] <oklinux> I dont think so
[16:59] <vidd> then why would i want to ?
[17:00] <oklinux> is suppose to be leaner faster but I dont know
[17:00] <oklinux> and minimal
[17:01] <vidd> if it dont have super-cow-powers, its not good enough for me!
[17:01] <oklinux> what is a super cow power ?
[17:02] <coldhak> oklinux, google "apt-get cow power"
[17:02] <vidd> in a deb-based system, type apt-get moo
[17:02] <vidd> you will see
[17:08] <vidd> hrm...it used to say "apt has super cow powers
[17:09] <coldhak> it does.
[17:09] <coldhak> apt-get moo
[17:09] <coldhak> then apt-get --help
[17:09] <coldhak> "this apt now has super cow powers"
[17:10] <vidd> yeah...but apt-get moo used to say it too
[17:11] <vidd> now it says "have you mooed today
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> aptitude -v moo
[17:11] <coldhak> there's a bug report that the cow doesn't look much like a cow.
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> aptitude -vv moo
[17:12] <vidd> Odd-rationale, lol
[17:12] <Odd-rationale> vidd: -vvv
[17:12] <zoredache_> -vvvv?
[17:12] <vidd> Odd-rationale, keep adding!
[17:14] <vidd> aptitude -vvvvv moo
[17:14] <vidd> and aptitude -vvvvvv moo
[17:14] <vidd> rather amusing
[17:24] <oklinux> any one here try archlinux ?
[17:24] <zoredache> I bet if you asked in #archlinux you would find far more people who know about archlinux
[17:24] <vidd> zoredache, lol
[17:24]  * charlie-tca nods
[17:25] <oklinux> Im in xubuntu now I trying to see what the hype is ?
[17:26] <zoredache> about what? xubuntu?
[17:26] <oklinux> no arch ver xubuntu
[17:29] <zoredache> I gave up on trying to compare distros a decade ago...  Just pick one and learn it...  Once you have learned it, you can pretty much do anything you can do anywhere else
[17:42] <oklinux> how can I teak xubuntu ?
[17:43] <zoredache> any way you like?
[17:43] <zoredache> perhaps the question should be how can't you tweak ubuntu
[17:45] <oklinux> is 36 seconds from grub to gnome is average booting time on a dual core 2000 mhz 1 gigs ram 80 gigs sate drive
[17:45] <zoredache> I don't turn my computers off, so I wouldn't know...
[17:46] <zoredache> I think optimizing startup time is kinda silly.  You almost always do it at the expense of loosing something that will improve performance/usability once the system is up
[17:51] <vidd> uptime:12:52:48 up 15 days,  3:29,  2 users,  load average: 1.23, 0.89, 0.79
[17:52] <vidd> =]
[17:52] <oklinux> why would you want to leave your computer on for a long time ?
[17:53] <vidd> why would you want to keep turning it off and on all the time?
[17:53] <zoredache> so I can access it remotely from anywhere?
[17:53] <TheSheep>  18:53:03 up 144 days,  3:54, 50 users,  load average: 2.35, 1.82, 1.52
[17:53] <TheSheep> :)
[17:53] <oklinux> save electricity ?
[17:53] <vidd> TheSheep, power outage here
[17:53] <vidd> uses more power to boot up
[17:53] <vidd> then to run in sleep mode for 3 days
[17:54] <zoredache> a computer doesn't really use that much power when it isn't doing anything...  My system idles at about 40w
[17:54] <TheSheep> 40w is one lamp
[17:55] <vidd> heh...more like half a lamp here in the us
[17:55]  * vidd uses 75w bulbs
[17:57] <zoredache> if you want to save even more you can work on getting sleeping to work...
[18:19] <vidd> oklinux, i read up on that archlinux ... it is not for the novice user
[18:21] <TheSheep> vidd: 75w bulbs can take 40w too
[18:21] <TheSheep> vidd: well, novice user is not tinkering, right?
[18:22] <vidd> TheSheep, im a moderately experienced user...and im intimidated by the install process
[18:23] <vidd> he wanted an opinion on archlinux, i gave him an informed one
[18:24]  * TheSheep likes archlinux, it's very simple and straightforward -- that is, it has no magic and no automation
[18:24] <TheSheep> you earn about linux with it, not about the distribution
[18:25] <Markopotamus> Hi peeps. Im on a Linux EeePC though I
[18:26] <Markopotamus> ive no idea what distro its running
[18:26] <knome> if you haven't changed it, it's xandros.
[18:26] <Markopotamus> kde and xandros ring a bell...
[18:26] <knome> yes.
[18:27] <knome> it is kde on xandros
[18:27] <Markopotamus> I've got a bit of a problem here. would it be ok to ask you lot about it, or would you suggest going somewhere more specific to xandros and Eeepcs?
[18:27] <knome> well, this really isn't a chan for eeepc nor xandros
[18:28] <knome> but you can try, if it turns out to be an easy one
[18:28] <Markopotamus> Ah. well I see #eeepc is quite busy so I  might try there.
[18:29] <knome> ok, sounds better way for you to get info anyway
[18:30] <Markopotamus> Well, it's that the update software wasnt working so I tried "sudo apt-get upgrade" and found that it did work... except that now the default interface environment thing (with all the purdy buttons on the desktop) doesnt load on startup.
[18:31] <knome> yeah i think the simple interface is quite strict
[18:31] <Markopotamus> It should be noted that really, I don't know what Im doing as well as I should :s
[18:31] <knome> i'm running xubuntu on my eeepc thougs, so i don't know a lot about xandros...
[18:31] <knome> *though
[18:32] <Markopotamus> ooh. I do like Xubuntu and run it on my Laptop, but unfortunately this Eeepc isn't mine, so I'd like to leave it looking roughly the same as I found it.
[18:32] <knome> you *found* it? :P
[18:32] <Markopotamus> knome: hehe no, it's actually my mums
[18:33] <knome> agh.
[18:33] <Markopotamus> But you know what oldies are like about change.
[18:33] <knome> they love it! ;P
[18:33] <knome> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/151
[18:33] <Markopotamus> In my experience they love continuity
[18:33] <knome> you might be interested in reading that
[18:34]  * Markopotamus takes a look
[18:34] <knome> especially the netbook-remix part
[18:34] <knome> :)
[18:35] <Markopotamus> hehe ok
[18:35] <Markopotamus> dont suppose you'd happen to have any tips about restoring this poor beast though, would you?
[18:36] <Markopotamus> Hey, what does OEM stand for?
[18:36] <TheSheep>   Original Equipment Manufacturer
[18:36] <Markopotamus> Cheers, thesheep
[18:36] <TheSheep> means it's software that should be preinstalled on some hardware, and so can be only boght by hardware manufacturers
[18:37] <Markopotamus> I do see.
[18:38] <Markopotamus> Hmm. it'd also be useful to know a few keyboard commands, for instance how to bring up the run command. Doesnt seem to be alt-f2 :s
[18:41] <knome> Markopotamus, no, i have got no tips for restoring
[18:41] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+f1
[18:41] <knome> Markopotamus, apart from the restore disc, but that's complete boom
[18:44] <Markopotamus> knome: Im told by someone in #eeepc that f9 on startup resets factory settings. TheSheep: groovy, lemme try that...
[18:44] <TheSheep> Markopotamus: that should switch to text xonsole
[18:44] <TheSheep> console
[18:44] <TheSheep> Markopotamus: press alt+ctrl+f7 to go back
[18:45] <Markopotamus> TheSheep. Hmm. Not working right now.
[18:47] <jals> hi, i had a usb keyboard which was working fine, then suddenly after a reboot it's stopped
[18:47] <jals> it's possible it's the keyboard itself, but i tried it on a windows machine and it worked so i'm wondering if there are driver issues
[18:49] <knome> jals, shouldn't really be with a kb. did you put it in the same usb port?
[18:49] <jals> i didn't change it between when it stopped working
[18:49] <jals> i've tried other ports since
[18:49] <knome> uh.. interesting
[18:49] <knome> !keyboard
[18:49] <knome> nah, not useful
[18:50] <knome> jals, have you searched ubuntuforums.org ?
[18:50] <jals> no
[18:50] <jals> i'll give that a go i guess
[18:50] <jals> just was checking here in case there's some obvious thing to check
[18:51] <knome> well, replugging, trying all usb ports, but you had done it already
[18:51] <jals> yeah
[18:51] <jals> it's very odd
[18:51] <knome> yes
[18:52] <jals> guess i could use the ps2 adapter
[18:54] <knome> have to go ->
[19:05] <Markopotamus> Cheers for the help, Knome
[19:07] <vidd> jals, do you have a usb mouse to test the usb ports?
[19:07] <vidd> those buggers have a tendency to fry
[19:07] <vidd> (or is it just me?)
[19:09] <vidd> you can tell if the usb port is fried with the usb mouse.....
[19:09] <vidd> the mouse will light up but the pointer wont move
[19:10] <jals> yeah the usb mouse works fine
[19:11] <vidd> then to test the keyboard...simply use the same port that the mouse is in, and restart x
[19:11] <jals> yeah i did this
[19:12] <vidd> what does lsusb tell ya?
[19:12] <jals> actually having said that about the keyboard working in a different machine
[19:12] <jals> it's not
[19:12] <jals> bit random
[19:13] <vidd> check the cord for a break
[19:13] <TheSheep> jals: anyhing in dmesg?
[19:13] <jals> what happened last time is i plugged it into the windows machine i'm on now, then a few minutes later it suddenly got detected
[19:13] <TheSheep> jals: does lsusb show it?
[19:14] <jals> TheSheep: dunno how to run that stuff without a keyboard heh
[19:14] <TheSheep> jals: there is on-screen keyboard
[19:14] <jals> hmm
[19:15] <vidd> TheSheep, how do you turn on the on-sceen keyboard in xubuntu?
[19:16] <TheSheep> hmm... I think that in xubuntu you have to actually install it first...
[19:16] <jals> i'm starting to think it's the keyboard :(
[19:16] <vidd> ic
[19:16] <jals> didn't even work with ps/2
[19:16] <vidd> jals, is there a break in the cord?
[19:16] <jals> it was a cheap ass one
[19:16] <jals> i don't see one
[19:17] <vidd> i find it easier to find breaks by running the cord thru my fingers rather then visual inspection
[19:17] <jals> yeah
[19:17] <vidd> if you feel it "catch" there is a break
[19:25] <Markopotamus> joy \O/ It is all working fine now.
[19:44] <new2linux> Hello I have finaly installed Xubuntu and I am now trying to install NDISWrapper for my WPC54G ver 3 and every time I go into terminal and make everything it gives errors can anyone help me wiht this anything is appreciated :).
[19:54] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: do you have the .inf and .sys file?
[19:57] <jals> what's weird about this keyboard issue is that when i plug it in, the LEDs light up briefly
[19:58] <DCPom> jals is it a normal US keyboard?
[19:58] <jals> UK, but yeah it's a regular one
[19:58] <jals> no fancy stuff
[19:59] <DCPom> has it ever worked?
[19:59] <new2linux> I haven't even been able to install NDISWrapper
[19:59] <jals> yeah it was working fine this morning
[19:59] <jals> then i turned off my computer
[19:59] <DCPom> jals, what have you installed since then?
[19:59] <jals> turned it back on this afternoon, it's gone
[19:59] <jals> nothing as far as i recall
[19:59] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[19:59] <jals> but as i say, this windows machine is having issue detecting it too
[20:00] <new2linux> But yes I do have the needed drivers and I have the newest version of NDIS Wrapper I am going to try an oldr version
[20:00] <new2linux> sudo apt get won't work I have no internet on that machine
[20:00] <new2linux> I am going to try the older version BRB
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: well, you can down load it from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> download the .deb and its deps... and copy them over to a usb drive...
[20:10] <new2linux> failed
[20:11] <new2linux> Oh that might help (I was downloading from their sourcefourge page).
[20:11] <vidd> new2linux, is this a wifi card?
[20:13] <new2linux> Ya a WPC54G ver 3
[20:13] <vidd> pci or usb?
[20:13] <new2linux> I downloaded ndiswrapper-utils-1.9_1.50-1ubuntu1_i386.deb is that all I need
[20:13] <new2linux> pci
[20:13] <new2linux> linksys
[20:13] <vidd> new2linux, if you insist on using ndiswrapper....yeah
[20:14] <vidd> what does lspci tell you the card is?
[20:14] <new2linux> Why is their a open source implimentation of this driver
[20:14] <new2linux> I'm happy to use open source versions
[20:14] <vidd> dunno....what does lspci tell you the card is?
[20:14] <new2linux> One Sec...
[20:17] <new2linux> it is a..
[20:18] <new2linux> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[20:19] <vidd> the driver is already installed on your system....you just need the firmware
[20:19] <new2linux> Thinks to himself DUH It gave me an error in boot up with is plugin saying it needs a firmware (Goes banging head against a wall)
[20:20] <vidd> im looking for were the files are stored on my local machine
[20:20] <new2linux> Were can I get the fireware the error said to go to linuxwireless.com
[20:20] <vidd> im going to place them on my site for you to download
[20:21] <new2linux> OK
[20:21] <new2linux> (Thinks of Windows Viruses then remebers he is running linux).
[20:22] <new2linux> What is your website?
[20:24] <vidd> it will be vidd.us/b43
[20:24] <new2linux> ok
[20:24] <new2linux> Thanks BTW
[20:25] <vidd> np
[20:26] <vidd> new2linux, i just need to archive it
[20:26] <DCPom> what's the gui process manager for xub?
[20:26] <new2linux> ok
[20:28] <vidd> new2linux, go to http://vidd.us/b43 and download the file
[20:28] <vidd> then extract it to your /lib/firmware/
[20:29] <new2linux> ok
[20:29] <new2linux> one second BRB
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> vidd: why not just use the b43-fwcutter?
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> *let him use
[20:31] <vidd> cuzz its broke....still
[20:31] <Odd-rationale> oh... :(
[20:32] <vidd> the site it wants you to download the file from doesnt exist or the file name was changed
[20:33] <Odd-rationale> vidd: that's no probelm. i know where you can download the firmware...
[20:33] <vidd> so do i....my site
[20:34] <vidd> just needed to know where to PUT it
[20:34] <Odd-rationale> no, i mean the wl_apsta_mimo.o
[20:34] <vidd> that isnt the file the cutter is looking for
[20:34] <DCPom> what's xflock4?
[20:34] <Odd-rationale> then do b43-fwcutter -w "/lib/fireware" wl_apsta_mimo.o
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> *firmware
[20:35] <Odd-rationale> then modprobe b43
[20:36] <Odd-rationale> DCPom: what xfce uses to lock the the screen. it uses xlock or xscreensaver... depending on which is installed..
[20:37] <DCPom> thanks
[20:40] <new2linux> It won't let me extract to /lib/firmware I have a feeling it has something to do with root but when I try to logon as root it doesn't allow me
[20:41] <vidd> you need to extract to desktop...
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: yes. you have to root
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> to be
[20:41] <knome> new2linux, sudo command
[20:41] <new2linux> Ya I tried sudo but it then says "ommiting /lib/firmware when I use cp.
[20:42] <Odd-rationale> new2linux: sudo cp -r
[20:42] <new2linux> OK I'll try
[20:44] <new2linux> One more second sorry...
[20:44] <vidd> take your time
[20:44] <vidd> we're here to help =]
[20:44] <knome> hi vidd
[20:44] <knome> vidd, just wondering, are you part of the documentation team?
[20:45] <vidd> no
[20:45] <vidd> i just help ppl
[20:45] <knome> ok... a little help with doc wouldn't do any harm though :)
[20:45] <knome> you seem to be online a lot
[20:45] <Odd-rationale> or try "sudo tar -xzvf b43-all-fw.tar.gz /lib/firmware"
[20:46] <vidd> knome, every day i work
[20:46] <vidd> i wouldnt know how to begin doing documentation
[20:46] <Odd-rationale> ok. maybe that won't work...
[20:46] <knome> if you
[20:46] <knome> gnaa
[20:47] <knome> vidd, if you're interested, we can help you beginning :)
[20:47] <knome> i suppose the documentation for intrepid is starting (or started) to be written
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> or try "sudo tar -xzvf b43-all-fw.tar.gz -C /lib/firmware"
[20:47] <Odd-rationale> that should do it...
[20:48] <knome> Odd-rationale, you too :)
[20:48] <Odd-rationale> knome: are you on the doc team?
[20:49] <knome> Odd-rationale, not the doc team, but on the xubuntu team yes
[20:49] <new2linux> Wireless works YAY!! Thank you so much for helping cloob (clueless nooby).
[20:49] <vidd> we all start that way
[20:50] <knome> Odd-rationale, we have some nice things coming at the end of this month
[20:51] <knome> Odd-rationale, at the time of release
[20:51] <Odd-rationale> well, i do not use either xfce or ubuntu... :P
[20:51] <knome> Odd-rationale, may i ask why you're hanging here then? :)
[20:51] <knome> (you're welcome to, just curious)
[20:51] <kpel> knome: new xubuntu release?
[20:52] <knome> kpel, yes, 8.10
[20:52] <knome> kpel, comes out at the last day of this month
[20:52] <kpel> cool. i hope upgrading is a smoother process now.
[20:52] <kpel> very good news. is it one of th elong term support releases?
[20:52] <knome> hope so too. it has been quite smooth for many users this far
[20:53] <knome> umm...
[20:53] <Odd-rationale> knome: i used to the *buntus. And i enjoy helping out when i can...
[20:53] <knome> Odd-rationale, sure :)
[20:53] <DCPom> LTS only come out every 18 months
[20:53] <knome> 6.06 is the last LTS...
[20:54] <DCPom> wasn't 8.04?
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> there are 31 days in oct, no?
[20:54] <favro> !hardy
[20:54] <kpel> 8.04 is lts too
[20:54] <DCPom> that
[20:54] <knome> hmm ok...
[20:54] <knome> the xubuntu.org is misleading then
[20:54] <favro> Odd-rationale: yep
[20:54] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/promote/intrepid/countdown
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> i thought is was due on the 30th?
[20:54] <knome> you can add a countdown banner :)
[20:55] <knome> Odd-rationale, you might be true.
[20:55] <knome> Odd-rationale, also depends on the TZ ;)
[20:55] <DCPom> is there a point in upgrading if this one already has support until june '11?
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> DCPom: of course. new features!
[20:55] <DCPom> for example?
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> more update packages, etc.
[20:55] <knome> xfce 4.6
[20:56] <kpel> as long as the old ones don't break, i don't mind the new features
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> DCPom: features? hos about a ~/Private directory for every use that is encrypted
[20:56] <kpel> hw requirements?
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> knome: xfce won;t be until JJ.
[20:56] <knome> kpel, should be the same
[20:56] <kpel> cool
[20:56] <knome> Odd-rationale, k, but it's on the ii repos already :)
[20:56] <knome> or eh
[20:56] <knome> on ii ppa
[20:57]  * Myrtti smacks knome
[20:57] <Odd-rationale> knome: yeah, the ppa...
[20:58] <knome> Myrtti, nice one ;)
[20:58] <knome> i think i should shut my mouth
[20:59] <knome> HOWEVER, we *do* need more people on the doc team
[20:59] <knome> isn't that true, Myrtti
[21:00] <charlie-tca> knome: what you doing with docs?
[21:01] <knome> charlie-tca, uh, updating? writing more?
[21:01] <charlie-tca> docbook or wiki?
[21:01] <knome> which ever.
[21:02] <knome> i was trying to recruit new people.
[21:02] <knome> nothing special ;)
[21:02] <charlie-tca> O-o-h; okay.
[21:02] <knome> charlie-tca, is that forbidden? ;))
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Wishing we could get more, myself
[21:03] <knome> true
[21:03] <knome> any help would be great for any of the teams.
[21:03] <charlie-tca> that seems hard to come by, for docs.
[21:03] <knome> kind of
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I'm trying to write that firefox startup page
[21:04] <knome> but active people at irc could write their knowledge into docs (i know they have some idea of which are the most asked questions), so they could point people there and help with many more things
[21:04] <charlie-tca> Yea, that would help a lot.
[21:04] <knome> charlie-tca, we don't have a layout for it yet, do we?
[21:05] <charlie-tca> I thought follow the ubuntu page and change it as needed
[21:05] <knome> do we have to? or would we like to?
[21:06] <charlie-tca> like to, I think
[21:06] <knome> ok
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Don't gotta do nothing but launch intrepid, right?
[22:03] <ferland> I installed 8.04 on an old Dell Inspiron 8100 laptop, but when I insert a CD into the optical drive... the system freezes. What can I try to fix this?
[22:07] <zoredache> so ubuntu is running, and you put a disk in the tray, close the load-drawer, and the computer freezes?
[22:10] <ferland> zoredache, yes
[22:13] <ferland> zoredache, and if I ctrl-alt-f6 to another console, I can't login... the machine is complaining about a read error on sda1
[22:13] <zoredache> hrm...  Have you tried a different cd?  Perhaps you have a bad disk?
[22:14] <ferland> well the problem happens even when there is no disc in the optical drive
[22:15] <zoredache> is sda1 your hard drive?
[22:15] <Odd-rationale> ferland: so every time you open and close your cd drive, the computer freezes?
[22:16] <ferland> zoredache, I'll check it out
[22:16] <ferland> odd, yes that is right
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> ferland: hmm. i suspect a hal issue... i have to leave soon, so i won't be able to help much longer. but you might want to try "sudo /etc/init.d/hal stop" and see if the problem still occurs...
[22:18] <ferland> okay
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> ferland: are you  chatting with that machine right now?
[22:19] <ferland> no, it's at my side
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> ok
[22:21] <ferland> the drive won't eject anymore
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> ferland: does it still freeze?
[22:21] <ferland> I can't open it to try
[22:22] <Odd-rationale> try the command: eject
[22:23] <ferland> eject: tried to use /dev/scd0 as device name but it is no block device
[22:23] <ferland> eject: unable to find or open device
[22:23] <Odd-rationale> ferland: can you pastebin you /etc/fstab file?
[22:23] <Odd-rationale> !pastebin
[22:25] <ferland> that'll take 3 minutes
[22:25] <Odd-rationale> well i gtg now anyways...
[22:25] <Odd-rationale> hope you get it fixed!
[22:25] <ferland> awright later
[22:26] <ferland> shoud I try an older distribution?


[12:05] <sa0> hi all
[12:05] <sa0> i have an asus W5A (W5GB18 RW to be precise)
[12:05] <sa0> can i help in anything ?
[12:21] <Burgundavia> sa0: yes, you can fill out a laptop testing team reportr
[12:22] <sa0> where ?
[04:02] <Kaleo> hi guys


[06:17] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:12] <diplo> Morning all, any of you guys set up an FTP server before, I haven't.. just want very basic one to test
[08:12] <diplo> Getting permission denied.. any pointers. PWD appears to be going to /home/andy which is correct, I'm googling currently but I'm guessing it's a vsftpd.conf setting to enable
[08:16] <diplo> hah, ask here.. sort it.. always the way :)
[08:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:25] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Usually just framing the question makes one think of something. But don't leave us in suspenders, what was it?
[08:26] <diplo> write_enable=yes - I expect in most cases you'd lock it down with chroot's etc
[08:26] <diplo> But I'm going to uninstall it in about 20 mins
[08:26]  * TwistedLucidity admits they have never once used a "chroot"
[08:27] <diplo> We have some archaic customers / third party vendors who will only accept FTP connections, but it needs to be automated from a script
[08:27] <diplo> Our script is dieing with issues, so I'm re
[08:27] <diplo> -writing it to be a bit more compliant
[08:37] <BigRedS> IIRC the vsftpd in the repos doesn't do chrooted FTP well, it's oddly picky about permissions
[08:48] <SuperMatt> Really? I've supported vsftpd doing chroot before now, and it does it quite well
[08:49] <SuperMatt> the place you chroot to needs to be owned by root, iirc, and then the subfolder can be owned by the chrooted user
[08:55] <TwistedLucidity> I heard about "downpour.com" the other day. DRM-free audiobook sounded cool.
[08:55] <TwistedLucidity> So far every book I have checked says "Not Available For Sale in United Kingdom"
[08:55] <TwistedLucidity> So I guess they don't want my money.
[08:56] <TwistedLucidity> Industries need to get with the program, region restrictions on the Internet are moronic.
[08:56]  * TwistedLucidity ponders jumping on the US VPN
[09:26] <diplo> Did it work TwistedLucidity  ?
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> Not tried, but it should do.  Those languages take up space. I don't support DVD Region *Locks*
[09:39] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: yeah, that's what I mean by it not doing it well :)
[09:42] <SuperMatt> Naw man, it's fine. It works really well
[09:43] <BigRedS> ah, hang on, I think Ubuntu's got allow_writable_chroot
[09:43] <BigRedS> definitely Debian hasn't, which is the problem I have with adding it to an already-running system; I don't want to have to change fs permissions
[09:55] <SuperMatt> What I used to do was have a folder structure like chroots/user/data (or something) where user is owned by root, and data by the actual user. The homedir for the user is then pointed at the user dir
[09:56] <BigRedS> ah yeah, but then it's as bad as chrooted sftp
[09:56] <SuperMatt> :/
[14:32] <diplo> .
[14:32] <diplo> Blimey, thought that would have disconnected, rebooted the router 4 times :D
[14:35] <diddledan> I don't understand how network connections can maintain over an intermittent link like that
[14:36] <diddledan> I guess I should look at the protocol they use for Deep Space Communications
[14:36] <diddledan> super low bandwidth AND regular connectivity breaks
[14:38] <diddledan> I love that a load of radio arrays around the world are linked together to provide the Deep Space Network for satellites and probes and things around the solar system
[14:38] <diddledan> the whole idea that we have extended networking into the solarsystem is funky - means mars collonists could conceivably get wikipedia
[14:39]  * diddledan listening to the ubuntu podcast. they're talking about nipples
[14:39] <diddledan> popey: do you prefer fingering a nipple?
[14:40] <diddledan> I never managed to get the hang of it
[14:43] <m0nkey_> diddledan: If Musk has his way, Mars will be collonised and they will get high speed Internet.
[14:43] <diddledan> \o/
[14:43] <m0nkey_> But would you be able to call it the Internet?
[14:43] <diddledan> interplanetary net
[14:43] <m0nkey_> Because Internet is Intercontenental Network
[14:44] <m0nkey_> I think it should be called "planet"
[14:45] <m0nkey_> Interplanet :)
[14:45] <zmoylan-pi> they'll suck at online games multiplayer...
[14:45] <m0nkey_> Don't worry zmoylan-pi, they'll have local servers.
[14:45] <zmoylan-pi> only if ms and sony allow them
[14:46] <m0nkey_> IF you think about it, Bitcoin could become the first interplanetary currancy.
[14:46] <m0nkey_> Or should I say Bitcoin Cash?
[14:47] <m0nkey_> If you had 1 bitcoin, over night your bitcoin split and now you have almost doubled your total value.
[14:49] <diddledan> lol @ ubuntu podcast sting: "are you looking after your bits? why not help other people look after their bits too.."
[14:50] <m0nkey_> Want to look after your bits and bytes. Put it on ZFS ;)
[14:50] <diddledan> :-p
[14:50] <m0nkey_> ZFS IS AWESOME btw..
[14:50] <diddledan> well btrfs is going the way of the donkey so ...
[14:50] <m0nkey_> I should have gone to Debconf
[14:50] <m0nkey_> It's down the road from where I live
[14:50] <diddledan> plus btrfs really hasn't ever reached "usable"
[14:50] <zmoylan-pi> put on clay tablets, umpteen symrian scribes can't be wrong
[14:51] <m0nkey_> diddledan: We don't talk about Butter FS.
[14:51] <diddledan> "using raid 5 ish btrfs? yeah, we killed all your data!"
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> and ibm are now talking about a 300tb theoretical tape drive...
[14:51] <diddledan> yikes
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> ...if only i trusted tape... :-)
[14:51] <m0nkey_> That'll be the next LTO generation.
[14:52] <m0nkey_> I'm wondering if I should switch back to IRCCloud and drop Quassel.
[14:53] <zmoylan-pi> now if they made a version that fitted in your phone like their micro hd in the nokia n95...
[14:53] <diddledan> you're being very indecisive about your ircing :-D
[14:53] <m0nkey_> Quassel is nice, but I miss push notifications and the ability to log-on from anywhere and not use a client.
[14:53] <diddledan> bouncy bouncy
[14:53] <m0nkey_> Yeah, you're right. I'll stick with Quassel for now.
[14:53] <zmoylan-pi> i use irssi on a rasp pi which i can connect to from anywhere in the house from any device up to and including my nokia dumbphone use a java irc client
[14:54] <diddledan> "there are two reviews on itunes for the ubuntu podcast, and one of them is from my mum!"
 With two kids and other stuff going on, I don't really have the time to maintain it all.
[14:55] <diddledan> yeah I hear that
[14:56] <m0nkey_> I like IRCCloud. Push notifications, log-on from any browser, decent mobile app.
[14:56] <m0nkey_> Quassel has an excelent Android app.
[14:56] <m0nkey_> But no push :(
[14:57] <zmoylan-pi> the nice thing i liked about quassel was that at the time i used i had a mac, windows and linux at home and quassel ran on all of them exactly the same
[14:57] <m0nkey_> zmoylan-pi: That's why I like it.
[14:57] <m0nkey_> Doesn't matter what device I'm on, config follows me.
[14:57] <m0nkey_> Same goes with IRCCloud.
[14:58] <m0nkey_> The only thing missing from IRCCloud, which I will miss in Quassel is command aliases.
[15:00] <m0nkey_> diddledan: you still use IRCCloud, can you do command aliases yet?
[15:03] <diddledan> I haven't seen anything about aliases :-(
[15:05] <m0nkey_> There's probably a script or something I can install in the browser to do that anyway.
[15:27]  * TwistedLucidity feels like they are missing out all this l33t IRC madness
[15:27] <TwistedLucidity> I just use Konversation, like an unwashed peasant.
[15:32] <m0nkey_> lol
[15:32] <m0nkey_> Eeewwh.. KDE..
[15:32] <m0nkey_> :)
[15:33] <m0nkey_> It's okay, I use explorer.exe as my window manager.
[15:47] <diddledan> I don't like pheasant
[15:48] <diddledan> too gamey
[15:48] <diddledan> love me a drop of bambi tho
[18:19]  * m0nkey_ dances \o\  /o/  \o_ _o/
[19:56] <diddledan> m0nkey_: ┏(-_-)┛┗(-_-)┓┗(-_-)┛┏(-_-)┓
[20:16] <m0nkey_> So it's a dance off you want?
[20:18] <m0nkey_> Wtf. The price of LastPass has doubled!
[20:20] <diddledan> wat?
[20:21] <m0nkey_> https://twitter.com/LastPass/status/893111735309275136
[20:23] <m0nkey_> Double the price for less features
[20:23] <m0nkey_> I shall not be renewing.
[20:23] <diddledan> that's really suckynuts
[20:24] <diddledan> is there an opensauce equivalent I wonder
[20:24] <m0nkey_> keypass and passwordsafe
[20:25] <m0nkey_> I hear good things about DashLane, don't know how much it costs.
[20:43] <m0nkey_> I did try 1Password a while back.  I recall the Windows and Mac apps were pretty decent. Don't recall Android.
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> just download a hacked version of a russian server... :-P
[21:15] <m0nkey_> riiight
[21:19] <m0nkey_> Hmm, 1Password is $35USD/year
[21:28] <diddledan> I think I'm gonna go with: https://passman.cc/
[21:28] <diddledan> open sauce and has an android app - it's a nextcloud plooooogin
[21:29] <m0nkey_> and it's integrated with nextcloud?
[21:30] <diddledan> yup
[21:31] <m0nkey_> Hmm
[21:31] <m0nkey_> I don't want to self host.
[22:03] <m0nkey_> I'm really disappointed with LastPass.
[22:03] <m0nkey_> Everything else wants $50 or more a year.
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> post-its dont't :-)
[22:07] <m0nkey_> lol
[23:01] <diddledan> wow: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/03/linux_kernel_grsecurity_sues_bruce_perens_for_defamation/
[23:06] <diddledan> oh dear: https://www.grahamcluley.com/fbi-arrests-wannacrys-accidental-hero-connection-kronos-banking-trojan/
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> in the good old days some one would have held their pints while they beat the bejebus out of one another at a convention... linux is getting all grown up now :'-)
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> that wannacry hero arrest seems hokey
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> i can't wait for all the security patches... :-) http://boingboing.net/2017/08/03/java-ported-to-commodore-64.html
[23:25] <m0nkey_> wait. what?
[23:59] <m0nkey_> diddledan: just found Enpass. Seems to do browser autofill and app fill on Android :)


[07:22] <ricotz> seb128, hey :)
[07:23] <seb128> hey ricotz , how are you?
[07:23] <seb128> kenvandine, willcooke , https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/merge_requests/148
[07:23] <seb128> the power strings got changed there
[07:23] <ricotz> seb128, what is the best way to propose a package update which was synced but won't receive this version in debian?
[07:24] <ricotz> seb128, a bit tired ;), I hope you aren't
[07:24] <seb128> what do you mean, if it was synced Debian must have the version?
[07:24] <seb128> or you mean a package in sync but we want an update and Debian won't do it?
[07:25] <seb128> I'm ok, a bit tired as well, those team week are busy and often failing at going to bed early
[07:25] <willcooke> thanks seb128 , looking at that commit
[07:29] <ricotz> seb128, to be more specific, this is about getting a vala 0.44.8 update into eoan?
[07:30] <ricotz> I could push it to salsa to be picked up from there
[07:31] <ricotz> seb128, the weekend is coming ;)
[07:32] <tseliot> xnox: hey, have you seen the bug report about S4? It looks like a very easy fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1769297
[07:33] <duflu> oSoMoN, ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Missing_a_crash_report_or_having_a_.crash_attachment
[07:50] <clobrano> good morning everyone 0/
[07:50] <duflu> Hi clobrano
[07:52] <seb128> hey clobrano, how are you?
[07:52] <clobrano> hey seb128, doing good :)
[07:53] <seb128> ricotz, vala update sounds fine, salsa or ppa are fine
[08:01] <ricotz> seb128, ok
[08:13] <kenvandine> mpt: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/681
[08:16] <willcooke> hi hellsworth!
[08:16] <hellsworth> hello!
[08:16] <willcooke> hellsworth is the newest member of the desktop team
[08:17] <sarnold> "starting in the middle of the sprint"-new? :)
[08:18] <willcooke> sarnold, started on Monday, logged on to Freenode on Wednesday-new
[08:18] <hellsworth> well my first day was the first day of the sprint
[08:18] <hellsworth> i consider myself still new since i'm only on day 4 :)
[08:18] <sarnold> wow :) that's really quick even by canonical standards :D
[08:18] <sarnold> welcome aboard hellsworth
[08:18] <hellsworth> thanks. glad to be here!
[08:29] <Wimpress> jibel: Are you aware of this bug?
[08:29] <Wimpress> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+bug/1841672
[08:34] <jibel> Wimpress, no, I was not.
[09:11] <seb128> jibel, ubiquity on daily-proposed in 'install only' mode works fine here (tested in kvm and virtualbox)
[09:11] <seb128> did you do anything specific to get that error you reported?
[09:25] <mpt> oSoMoN, you said that if there are two graphics cards from the same vendor they have to use the same driver. But is it possible that you can set one of them to not be used for graphics at all? (For example, one Nvidia card for graphics, the other Nvidia card for AI/ML)
[09:25] <oSoMoN> mpt, I think so, yes
[11:28] <GunnarHj> Hi sil2100, since you weren't around, I submitted bug #1844653 about the szl language.
[11:34] <jibel> seb128, indeed it's fixed on today's build. There's a new libatk, so it could be related to the ibus crashes on previous images
[11:39] <seb128> jibel, k, good, thx for testing, hopefully it's fixed and not just something depending of the moon which comes back in another daily or on every second boot
[11:46] <sil2100> GunnarHj: I was working on it yesterday and today and figured everything out!
[11:46] <sil2100> GunnarHj: it should be actually appearing in the archive in a few minutes
[11:47] <GunnarHj> sil2100: Excellent, thanks!
[11:50] <sil2100> (I'm on a sprint now in Paris so I'm jumping around IRC a lot)
[13:00] <k_alam> seb128: Hi, can you merge those usd related mr ?
[13:00] <duflu> Testing robert_ancell_
[13:01] <k_alam> seb128: I want them merged before beta release
[13:02] <robert_ancell> willcooke, who would decide about control center options for light/dark theme? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-design-discussion/12508/7
[13:04] <willcooke> robert_ancell, the team should decide if it's a good idea, if we do we take it to the next cycle, mpt should sign off/design it, whoever signs up for the work should deliver.  (I am missing someting?)
[13:05] <seb128> k_alam, will do, sorry week is busy (as always)
[13:05] <robert_ancell> willcooke, the question on the channel was who can we ask for approval, and I don't know who's managing this feature.
[13:05] <willcooke> fwiw, I don;t like "design, dock & details"
[13:06] <robert_ancell> I guess mpt would approve any design?
[13:06] <k_alam> seb128: No prob, Thanks.
[13:07] <willcooke> robert_ancell, in a meeting, bbiab and then we can talk.
[13:07] <robert_ancell> ok
[13:08] <seb128> what are the chances that upstream would be interested by that as well?
[13:12] <robert_ancell> seb128, I think they'll have a similar case, so not sure if we land something first then switch to upstream or wait for upstream.
[13:13] <cyphermox> didrocks: jibel: I thought you'd find this interesting; reviewing old rls-*-incoming bugs we came across https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/1612906
[13:14] <cyphermox> (zfs on cryptsetup or the other way around)
[13:16] <didrocks> cyphermox: ah, and coming from upstream ZFS community. Thanks for the pointer! I'll have a read
[13:16] <didrocks> jibel: FYI as well ^
[13:16] <cyphermox> yeah
[13:16] <cyphermox> I thought you'd be in a better position to comment and reviw the patch
[13:16] <cyphermox> there's a discussion on Debian bugs too
[13:17] <didrocks> yeah, I'll have a look
[13:19] <willcooke> GunnarHj, hullo.  I filed a UIFe for yaru theme changes... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaru-theme/+bug/1844643
[13:21]  * clobrano saves the UIFe link
[13:27] <GunnarHj> willcooke: Made a not on the bug report.
[13:27] <GunnarHj> s/not/note/
[13:27] <willcooke> thank you GunnarHj
[13:27] <willcooke> clobrano, ^
[13:27] <willcooke> still need to fix that video & boxes issue.  Still trying
[13:28] <clobrano> willcooke, noted thanks
[13:30] <didrocks> willcooke: ensure that the same of directories have exactly the same cast (not -Dark but -dark or whatever)
[13:30] <willcooke> thx didrocks will look at that as soon as I get back
[13:41] <clobrano_> willcooke, didrocks:
[13:41] <clobrano_> carlo ● ~ $ ll /usr/share/themes | grep Yaru                                                                                ~
[13:41] <clobrano_> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 set 19 15:40 Yaru
[13:41] <clobrano_> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 set 19 15:40 Yaru-ambiance
[13:41] <clobrano_> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 set 19 15:40 Yaru-ambiance-dark
[13:41] <clobrano_> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 set 19 15:40 Yaru-dark
[13:42] <clobrano_> carlo ● ~ $ gresource list /usr/share/themes/Yaru/gtk-3.20/gtk.gresource | grep gtk                                                                                ~
[13:42] <clobrano_> /com/ubuntu/themes/Yaru/3.20/gtk-ambiance-dark.css
[13:42] <clobrano_> /com/ubuntu/themes/Yaru/3.20/gtk-ambiance.css
[13:42] <clobrano_> /com/ubuntu/themes/Yaru/3.20/gtk-dark.css
[13:42] <clobrano_> /com/ubuntu/themes/Yaru/3.20/gtk.css
[13:42] <clobrano_> same for gresource 3.0
[13:43] <didrocks> yeah, should work… weird
[13:44] <clobrano_> :(
[15:22] <seb128> Laney, how do I tell autopkgtest to test the jsunit in proposed with the thunderbird in proposed? I though it was using &trigger= for each but that doesn't seem to work
[15:26] <Laney> &trigger=package/version is correct
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, thx, it was an escaping fail of the + in the version number
[15:33] <Laney> ahhhhh