[12:38] <evilidler> acee1234: OK, no hints of an old drive there. Do you know if the NTFS partition is on hda or what device?
[12:38] <ScorpKing> on windows
[12:39] <evilidler> acee1234: Wait, sda1
[12:39] <evilidler> acee1234: You should have it mounted on /media/sda1/
[12:39] <uga> quixogre: I still think kubuntu should provide "backdoors" that the user could enable to do remote management from here ;)
[12:39] <Bleep> dns: <IP_ADDRESS>   <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:39] <acee1234> evilidler: is it not>
[12:39] <quixogre> uga hehe if you know remote IP, rsh ;)
[12:39] <Bleep> default gateway: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:40] <denis__> my vlc player is running, but i closed it, helpt whats to do? oO
[12:40] <Mr_Sonoma> uh may i interject a simple thought here??? is the network software showing a active connection, IRRC i had to go to manual configuration on the networking icon in the lower right and set it to automatically "activate when computer starts" or you had to right click on the Knetworkmanager and select wired or wireless network depending on what system you were running in order to get the computer talking to the network/internet.
[12:40] <evilidler> acee1234: From a terminal, try: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[12:40] <ScorpKing> Bleep: thats odd. the gateway should be the router ip
[12:40] <denis__> i can't get my dvd out of my pc
[12:40] <Bleep> actually that's my pc's ip
[12:40] <uga> quixogre: that'd require to provide passwords. Not good
[12:40] <evilidler> denis__: If it's showing on the desktop, rightclick and select eject
[12:40] <denis__> no it's not
[12:41] <denis__> i just can here the sound
[12:41] <Bleep> im confused lol...
[12:41] <denis__> but no picture and no program
[12:41] <quixogre> uga, or setup a temporary user....then again, thats opening a completely DIFFERENT can of worms
[12:41] <ScorpKing> Bleep: are both boxes connected to the same router?
[12:41] <denis__> oh you mean the dvd
[12:41] <denis__> when i click eject
[12:41] <quixogre> ScorpKing: he has to remove network cable from one, to connect the other. thus the multiple bleeps
[12:41] <uga> quixogre: I was thinking in the krfb invitations - line
[12:41] <denis__> there comes an eror
[12:41] <Bleep> :p
[12:42] <acee1234> evilidler: http://pastebin.com/m2faa4d73
[12:42] <ScorpKing> uga: ssh will do tho. :P
[12:42] <quixogre> uga, not familair with that. whats it do?
[12:42] <denis__> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:42] <denis__> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[12:42] <acee1234> evilidler: force?
[12:42] <uga> quixogre: run "krfb" and you'll see
[12:42] <evilidler> quixogre: Hold it..I suspect what's wrong is that he's not RELEASING old IPs, and that might mess up
[12:42] <yamal> denis__: and please do follow up on that bug report if you can, it's still marked incomplete (and thus unconfirmed) so your input can actually be valuable.
[12:42] <denis__> evilidler:
[12:42] <denis__> yamal
[12:42] <ibilic> what's the file where all the partition information is?
[12:42] <uga> quixogre: remove desktop access. vnc-like, but it lets access to the running desktop
[12:42] <denis__> i don't know anything about linux
[12:43] <uga> quixogre: s/remove/remote
[12:43] <denis__> i have installed it today the first time
[12:43] <acee1234> why did evilidler go poof?
[12:43] <evilidler> acee1234: OK, what's the output from "mount -a"
[12:43] <evilidler> acee1234: Because I hit ctrl-w, thinking I was in the browser!
[12:43] <ScorpKing> Bleep: so the linux box connects to the xp box which have internet?
[12:43] <acee1234> evilidler ah
[12:43] <Bleep> no
[12:43] <ScorpKing> ?
[12:43] <Bleep> just disconnect the plug for xp computer
[12:44] <ScorpKing> oh
[12:44] <ibilic> nevermind it's fstab
[12:44] <Bleep> so its modem > eth0 laptop
[12:44] <uga> ScorpKing: TDSA
[12:44] <Silsa> What can I install as far as antispyware and virus?
[12:44] <uga> ScorpKing: (Time Division Single Access) =)
[12:44] <evilidler> Silsa: ?
[12:44] <uga> vs TDMA
[12:44] <ScorpKing> Bleep: what is the routers ip? 10.0.0.?
[12:44] <acee1234> evilidler: http://pastebin.com/m4ca6cce8
[12:44] <Mr_Sonoma> ScorpKing, Bleep uga did you see my thought i posted?? overly simple yes, but sometimes the simple is overlooked =)
[12:45] <Silsa> evilidler: ?
[12:45] <Bleep> uh router?
[12:45] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: what?
[12:45] <Mr_Sonoma> uga, uh may i interject a simple thought here??? is the network software showing a active connection, IRRC i had to go to manual configuration on the networking icon in the lower right and set it to automatically "activate when computer starts" or you had to right click on the Knetworkmanager and select wired or wireless network depending on what system you were running in order to get the computer talking to the network/internet.
[12:45] <ScorpKing> i did
[12:45] <evilidler> acee1234: Wait, I meant "df". Yep. Slip of the fingers. They're so close!
[12:46] <quixogre> Mr_Sonoma: way past that. but good idea
[12:46] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: oh, we're setting it all up from cmd line
[12:46] <uga> no gui involved
[12:46] <ScorpKing> Bleep: the little box that gives you internet.
[12:46] <evilidler> Silsa: What viruses and spyware do you need to protect against?
[12:46] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: dhclient directly... etc
[12:46] <Bleep> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:46] <ibilic> what's a partition manager for Kubuntu that can create partitions?
[12:46] <acee1234> evilidler so whats the command?
[12:46] <evilidler> acee1234: df - just those two letters
[12:46] <quixogre> evilidler: what if someone tries to install windows on my boxen whilst im sleeping????
[12:46] <Silsa> evilidler: Umm... all of them. I'm new to linux and am not sure what's good to use
[12:47] <ScorpKing> Bleep: so if you go to that address you can cofigure the router?
[12:47] <evilidler> Silsa: Linux IS your protection.
[12:47] <Bleep> yes
[12:47] <uga> ibilic: parted/qtparted
[12:47] <Mr_Sonoma> =) ok well i just sat down and scrolled back up and didnt see where that had been gone over but did see what looked like he was a new user and thought to myself what's the most overly simple thing that us more experiance users might just "assume/overlook" thats all
[12:47] <ScorpKing> configure*
[12:47] <Mr_Sonoma> i'll let yall have it =)
[12:47] <quixogre> silsa hehe there arent very many virii for linux. not to say they dont exist, but when one comes out, the "
[12:47] <BluesKaj> !virus
[12:47] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[12:47] <denis__> heelp :(
[12:47] <Silsa> evilidler: So you're saying i'll never need an anti-virus or spyware protectioin because im using linux? Somehow i find that hard to believe
[12:47] <evilidler> There are no viruses "in the wild" because "the wild" on Linux is like a harsh planet with no atmosphere
[12:47] <uga> Mr_Sonoma: thatnks to knetworkmanager lots of confusions like that happen, you're right. Thanks for noting
[12:48] <ScorpKing> Bleep: will you be able to pastebin the dhcp config page on the router?
[12:48] <evilidler> Silsa: Different security model. You don't do ANYTHING but installing system software as root, optimally.
[12:48] <BluesKaj> Silsa, read above
[12:48] <acee1234> evilidler: http://pastebin.com/m45e8f9c1
[12:48] <ubuntu__> hello
[12:48] <quixogre> Silsa: the community as a whole tends to not worry about viruses, because very few viruses can survive long in linux. the community as a whole is fairly well educated, and tends to destroy them too quick for them to become a nuisance
[12:49] <ubuntu__> problems intstalling gutsy beta
[12:49] <Silsa> Ok
[12:49] <uga> Silsa: it's nice to install clamav and scan any weird files you may receive, to inform your colleagues. But you won't need an actively scanning antivirus
[12:49] <denis__> HEEELP!!!
[12:49] <ubuntu__> the screen comes up blank
[12:49] <evilidler> acee1234: What's on disk sda and what's on sdb? Let's find out..
[12:49] <ubuntu__> when doing the live cd
[12:49] <uga> Silsa: if you want something to scan what's happenning in yoru network, you can install snort
[12:49] <ubuntu__> on more that one pc
[12:49] <ScorpKing> Silsa: there are a few virusses for linux but they are VERY rare.
[12:49] <evilidler> acee1234: "sudo fdisk /dev/sda" first, and type "p" and enter in it
[12:49] <Mr_Sonoma> denis__, what is your problem? if you ask a question you might get help.
[12:49] <ScorpKing> Silsa: they are not in the wild.  Full stop.
[12:50] <Silsa> Well, what's good to use as far as a firewall that alerts me of new connection attempts and allows me to select whether they are allowed or not as they happen?
[12:50] <Silsa> and thx for the info on viruses
[12:50] <denis__> i asked a question^^
[12:50] <quixogre> those who run viruses as root are idiots, and the rules of survival the fittest cull them quickly
[12:50] <denis__> but no one could help so far Mr_Sonoma
[12:50] <denis__> two modules are lost in the systemsettings
[12:50] <acee1234> evilidler: http://pastebin.com/mff125c5
[12:50] <com64> hey all im pretty new to linux and I'm having a prob that even my linux-addicted techie friend can't figure out... i've just been mucking around online, had a few windows open etc and then boom - graphics fail, panels and icons disappear, and never come back.
[12:51] <uga> Silsa: a nice firewall system that does logging is shorewall, but you'd need to configure it, and it won't popup alerts
[12:51] <evilidler> Silsa: You'll find we have a society quite like cavemen here, but it's all for the greater good ;)
[12:51] <quixogre> silsa, if you want a popup everytime an application tries to run, get windows vista
[12:51] <ScorpKing> Bleep: ? still here?
[12:51] <ScorpKing> lol
[12:51] <tomer> i guess gutsy is not ready for prime time yet
[12:51] <Bleep> here: http://pastebin.com/d1be3213
[12:51] <tomer> simple live cd does not work, even
[12:51] <uga> Silsa: if each time a box got tried by an attacker you had a popup, you'd go nuts. I read snort alerts now and then and I can get hundreds
[12:51] <tomer> who decided to release it?
[12:51] <ibilic> ok how do I use qtparted to create a new fat32 partition... it tells me that it is a virtual partition
[12:51] <Silsa> quixogre: That's not what i want... if i download an app that sends traffic through a certain port i'd want a firewall to pop up once the first time it's ran to ask me if i want to allow it or not...
[12:52] <evilidler> acee1234: "quit" to leave that program - we now know that sda1 and sda3 are NTFS partitions
[12:52] <quixogre> bbiaf., wife needs to print, and neither of my fscking printers is linux friendly
[12:52] <uga> Silsa: there's no tools like that for linux, afaik
[12:52] <uga> Silsa: I understand what you mean now
[12:52] <uga> you'd need to check what failed and open it yourself, manually
[12:52] <evilidler> acee1234: Now edit the /etc/fstab as root to change sda2 to sda1, and maybe add another entry for sda3 just like it
[12:53] <quixogre> silsa, if you dont know how to confingure a firewall properly, then i see your point. me personally, i'd rather set it, forget it, and not have ANY annoying pop-ups
[12:53] <acee1234> evilidler: sudo kate /ect/fstab?
[12:53] <evilidler> acee1234: kdesu kate is better
[12:53] <Wendy> hello all
[12:53] <Silsa> quixogre: If that's the way things work then im all for it. What would be the best bet to get again then?
[12:54] <Wendy> trying to install gutsy beta.. no luck so far... any ideas...? using the livecd
[12:54] <uga> Silsa: you can use something like Alerttail, which alerts you each time a file (a firewall log file) changes
[12:54] <quixogre> silsa, im old school....but if you need a gui front end then try !Guarddog
[12:54] <acee1234> evilidler: didnt do anything
[12:54] <quixogre> !guarddog
[12:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:54] <Silsa> uga: Ah cool, that'll help me out. Thx
[12:54] <evilidler> I've found the quality of Ubuntu betas to be inversely proportional to the end-product at release. In other words, betas suck and releases rock.
[12:54] <Wendy> yes sure seems taht way
[12:55] <JimmyDee_> as opposed to the inverse at microsoft
[12:55] <Wendy> screen goes blank right after the boot.. and then it is dead
[12:55] <quixogre> okies. bbl all
[12:55] <evilidler> acee1234: OK, try "sudo nano /etc/fstab", modify sda2 to read sda1, ctrl-o to save (enter) and ctrl-x
[12:55] <ScorpKing> Bleep: Set Addresses :<IP_ADDRESS> and Through to <IP_ADDRESS> so you don't have so much and make Subnetmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:55] <uga> Silsa: http://alerttail.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/mixed.jpeg
[12:56] <Silsa> uga: Nice thx. Also I assume it's "sudo apt-get install guarddog" to install guarddog?
[12:56] <evilidler> alerttail looks neat :)
[12:56] <Bleep> ok done.
[12:57] <ScorpKing> Bleep: and set the gateway to the address of the router for dhcp clients. write down what you change so you can change it back if it doesn't work.
[12:57] <uga> Silsa: yes
[12:57] <evilidler> I'm afraid I'd waste all my bandwidth quota staring at it, though :P
[12:57] <acee1234> evilidler: for all instances of sda1?
[12:57] <evilidler> acee1234: There should be only one you care about. Any line starting with # is ignored.
[12:58] <acee1234> this line? /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto users,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[12:58] <ScorpKing> Bleep: o ya, and set dns to router ip as well :)
[12:58] <Bleep> i didnt get that last one. uh setting the gateway to the adress of the router for dhcp clients?
[12:58] <evilidler> acee1234: That line SHOULD be fine as it is.
[12:59] <acee1234> evilidler: im confused then as to which line im editing
[12:59] <ScorpKing> Bleep: Def. Gateway  router.ip   DNS server   router.ip
[12:59] <evilidler> acee1234: You have an sda1 and sda3 partition, so a similar line for sda3 should get you both partitions
[12:59] <ScorpKing> Bleep: the router will then handle dns for clients
[12:59] <Bleep> o you mean i have to set that for eth0 in knetworkmanager?
[12:59] <evilidler> acee1234: If that's what it looks like now, ctrl-o, enter, ctrl-x and see if "mount -a" does anything
[01:00] <ScorpKing> Bleep: no. on the router
[01:00] <ScorpKing> Bleep: eth0 will get it from the router
[01:00] <Quixogre> im back. running on *shudders* windows now
[01:00] <Bleep> you mean the part below at
[01:00] <Bleep> Addresses :<IP_ADDRESS>   through   <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:00] <Bleep> Subnetmask <IP_ADDRESS>   Lease time   7200
[01:00] <Bleep> Def. Gateway  auto   DNS server   auto
[01:00] <evilidler> acee1234: But the first auto can be replaced with ntfs-3g to ensure it picks the right filesystem
[01:00] <Bleep> oops sorry
[01:01] <ScorpKing> Bleep: lol. yes that
[01:01] <evilidler> Quixogre: Why?
[01:01] <acee1234> evilidler: i have a sda1 entry an sda2 entry and a sda4 entry are you wanting me to copy one and switch out the sda# for sda3?
[01:01] <Wendy> has anyone had luck making kubuntu an L2TP client
[01:01] <Quixogre> evil running on winders
[01:01] <Wendy> for vpn?
[01:01] <Bleep> http://pastebin.com/d1be3213  at client lease table
[01:01] <evilidler> acee1234: Yep, ctrl-k, ctrl-u, ctrl-u should get you a copy :)
[01:02] <Wendy> u know, like windows has this "vpn client" that you open, put your vpn server
[01:02] <Wendy> and vallah you connetc..
[01:02] <Wendy> how to do the same in lkubuntu?
[01:02] <evilidler> Quixogre: But why are you in there? I feel dirty doing other things than gaming there :P
[01:02] <ScorpKing> Bleep: that's still wrong
[01:02] <Bleep> but what should i add?
[01:02] <Quixogre> evil wife needed to print. and neither of my printers support linux
[01:02] <ScorpKing> Bleep: Set Addresses :<IP_ADDRESS> and Through to <IP_ADDRESS> so you don't have so much and make Subnetmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:03] <evilidler> Quixogre: Ah. That old problem.
[01:03] <ScorpKing> Bleep: Def. Gateway  router.ip   DNS server   router.ip
[01:03] <Timber> Dumb question but how do i check my ip address in kubuntu?
[01:03] <Bleep> ive set that already
[01:03] <acee1234> evilidler: so i added this...# Entry for /dev/sda3 :
[01:03] <acee1234> UUID=10F083EDF083D77E /media/sda3 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 1
[01:03] <Wendy> Timber: open terminal and type ifconfig
[01:03] <evilidler> acee1234: One more change needed there
[01:03] <BluesKaj> Quixogre, which printers are they?
[01:03] <evilidler> acee1234: Change the UUID=<number> bit to read /dev/sda3
[01:03] <Wendy> ok this channel has like no help whatsoever
[01:04] <Wendy> you guys are not very helpful are you
[01:04] <Quixogre> BluesKaj both are dell printers. ones model 1100 laser, others one of those "all in one" jobbers
[01:04] <evilidler> acee1234: It should then be "/dev/sda3 /media/sda3 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 1"
[01:04] <ScorpKing> Bleep: if it's changed try the linux box again. :) run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:04] <Timber> Wendy: Thx
[01:04] <Wendy> ok fine... leaving this place... its depressing and unhelpful
[01:04] <acee1234> evilidler: ok
[01:04] <Bleep> ok brb
[01:04] <Wendy> #join vpn
[01:04] <BluesKaj> !patience | Wendy
[01:04] <ubotu> Wendy: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:05] <evilidler> Quixogre: Still looking for that elusive all-in-one that works in Ubuntu. Found one that's almost. Just the scanner isn't working properly :/
[01:05] <evilidler> If noone knows, noone can really answer anything helpful
[01:05] <Quixogre> lol evilidler...i've given up... especially sicne the wifes printing from vista
[01:05] <evilidler> Quixogre: Filthy!
[01:05] <acee1234> i get the same mount -a error
[01:06] <acee1234> ill paste bin the edited file to make sure i did it right
[01:06] <Quixogre> evilidler she likes it...its listed as one of the irreconcilable differences in the divorce papers
[01:06] <evilidler> The poor designer need Flash tools, while everybody else could survive with Linux on a stick and Firefox
[01:06] <evilidler> Quixogre: Hehe
[01:07] <acee1234> evilidler: http://pastebin.com/m71a9b414
[01:07] <evilidler> My Kubuntu desktop is prettier than that MS thing, anyway.
[01:07] <Quixogre> brb. switching back. she's done printing
[01:07] <BluesKaj> Wendy, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/VPN-HOWTO/
[01:08] <evilidler> acee1234: A "mount -a" should now mount all unmounted devices.
[01:08] <ScorpKing> acee1234: that will give you problems
[01:08] <evilidler> ScorpKing: Where are the errors? Need food. brain going.
[01:08] <acomaco> anyone know of a utility that shows Cpu Usage etc? Clock and so on? i've seen some screenshots on it but i can't figure what to search for..
[01:08] <evilidler> acomaco: Keywords like "monitor" might help. Or "sensors"
[01:09] <acomaco> thx
[01:09] <ScorpKing> evilidler: which one gives the errors? i'll fix it on pastebin.
[01:09] <acee1234> scorpking: what do you mean
 <mount\040point> auto nouser,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 won't work
[01:10] <ScorpKing> and /dev/sda3 /media/sda3 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 1 needs uid=1000,gid=1000
[01:10] <acomaco> evilidler: Could you recommend any?
[01:10] <acee1234> scorpking what do i do?
[01:10] <BluesKaj> acomaco,install ksensors
[01:12] <acomaco> BluesKaj: thx
[01:12] <bleep1> scorp no luck
[01:12] <bleep1> however when i type ifconfig
[01:12] <ScorpKing> acee1234: one sec.
[01:12] <ScorpKing> bleep1: ur on xp?
[01:13] <bleep1> it shows inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS> at eth0
[01:13] <BluesKaj> heh vista is a hog for sure :Microsoft announced on Thursday that it will now extend the sale of XP to June 30, 2008.
[01:13] <bleep1> now i am
[01:13] <ScorpKing> bleep1: whats the gateway?
[01:13] <ScorpKing> router ip?
[01:14] <bleep1> on the router it was set AUTO
[01:14] <ScorpKing> bleep1: the problem is linux does not get the gateway or dns
[01:14] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: I would really love to see you regularly in #kubuntu-offtopic ;)
[01:16] <bleep1> so i should replace AUTO  with an excisting IP?
[01:16] <ScorpKing> bleep1: let me explain...
[01:17] <ScorpKing> bleep1: the router needs to give the boxes a gateway so they can connect. this is usually the same ip as the router unless you have another computer on the net that has the main internet.
[01:18] <Dr_willis> Gateway = ip of router, i even use dns server ip = router ip.
[01:18] <ScorpKing> bleep1: so you might have to set AUTO to the ip of the router so that it will tell the dhcp clients where to go to get internet.
[01:19] <ScorpKing> acee1234: that file is messed up. pastebin the output from mount for me as well
[01:19] <ScorpKing> acee1234: so i can see what is mounted right now. :)
[01:19] <bleep1> i presume the IP is the same as the router setup page? <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:19] <evilidler> Meh. Damn ISPs.
[01:19] <ScorpKing> bleep1: true
[01:20] <bleep1> ah ok
[01:20] <evilidler> ScorpKing: Where are we in the horror story of the fstab from Heck?
[01:20] <ScorpKing> evilidler: i need the output from mount
[01:20] <bleep1> brb
[01:20] <ScorpKing> ok
[01:21] <ScorpKing> acee1234: you still here?
[01:22] <acee1234> scorpking yes sorry was munching
[01:22] <ScorpKing> np
[01:22] <acee1234> ScorpKing: which file/
[01:23] <ScorpKing> acee1234: run mount
[01:23] <ScorpKing> acee1234: and pastebin the output
[01:24] <acee1234> scorpking: http://pastebin.com/m275b37bf
[01:24] <Bleep> hmm im gonna quit for now... its getting late
[01:25] <Bleep> thnx  for the help anyway scorp
[01:26] <ScorpKing> bleep1: np. see you next time. :)
[01:26] <ScorpKing> acee1234: thanks. that helps. almost done...
[01:27] <acee1234> scorpking : the thank is all mine
[01:28] <acee1234> scorpking : minus my typing skills
[01:28] <ScorpKing> acee1234: lol. np. try this - http://pastebin.com/m7071ccb3
[01:31] <knub> can anyone help me here: i have read about the flash plugin crashing konqueror. when konqueror, with the flash plugin, goes loading a page with flash in it, konqueror crashes. anyone have a clue how the solution could be? i read something saying there is not solution, but i already saw it work. how there is not a solution?
[01:31] <ScorpKing> evilidler and acee1234: here is some usefull info on mounting ntfs - http://www.linux-faqs.com/faq/misc/ntfs.php
[01:32] <Minataku> Hm
[01:32] <evilidler> ScorpKing: Thanks, but I think I can manage without it from now on. Suppressing any remaining knowledge of it :)
[01:32] <Minataku> !seen Dr_willis
[01:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen dr_willis - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:32] <Minataku> Oh, he's (supposedly) here
[01:32] <Minataku> Dr_willis: You there?
[01:33] <ScorpKing> evilidler: i never use it myself. lol. no more MS for me! :D
[01:33] <evilidler> ScorpKing: I just have a gaming computer separate from the real workstation, this Ubuntu box
[01:34] <Minataku> If it's a PC, it's not a workstation
[01:34] <evilidler> My definition is "the computer that lets me do my job properly"
[01:34] <Minataku> PCs are general purpose commodity hardware
[01:34] <evilidler> The unstable POS is not that
[01:35] <Minataku> Weak and underpowered compared to an actual Unix workstation such as UltraSPARC-based offerings from Sun
[01:35] <evilidler> But so much more affordable, and who needs to compile faster than instantly? ;)
[01:35] <ScorpKing> Minataku: not Personal Computer?
[01:35] <Minataku> Sorry, I've got _real_ Unix workstations... once you've used one, you'll never understand how you ever managed with a PC
[01:35] <Minataku> lol
[01:36] <ScorpKing> Minataku: i gues some are not so lucky. :P
[01:36] <Minataku> I've got a SPARCstation LX running about 1m away :3
[01:36] <evilidler> My Ubuntu box does its job, and it's fast enough for what I need to throw at it.
[01:37] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm just harping on semantics, really X3
[01:37] <Minataku> And showing off
[01:37] <Minataku> Like with Haruko, the aforementioned SPARCstation LX
[01:37] <hydrogen> topic please!
[01:37] <Minataku> With her MicroSPARC-I @ 50MHz
[01:37] <ScorpKing> !ot
[01:37] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:37] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:37] <hydrogen> the size of your epeen is not measured in the amount of old computers you have
[01:38] <Minataku> !ot | hydrogen
[01:38] <ubotu> hydrogen: please see above
[01:38] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:38] <hydrogen> ubotu: if you insist.... but thers lots of foolish conversation "above".. can  you point me to a specific place?
[01:38] <Administrator> is it possible to open up a ntfs formatted external HD with kubuntu
[01:38] <hydrogen> yes
[01:38] <Administrator> how?
[01:39] <hydrogen> do you need read-write access or just readonly?
[01:39] <Administrator> how can i access the panel to see what are all the HDs that are connected and be able to browse them
[01:39] <Administrator> read-write
[01:39] <hydrogen> !ntfs
[01:39] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:39] <hydrogen> !ntfs-3g
[01:39] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:39] <hydrogen> that one ^
[01:39] <ScorpKing> and this one http://www.linux-faqs.com/faq/misc/ntfs.php
[01:40] <Administrator> there is no "my computer" type of thing?
[01:40] <crazy_bus> I tried to install kubuntu 7.10 beta with the alternate cd.  It all went well until the last 16%.  It seemed to download off the internet.  I have a slow internet connection and it was downloading for over a hour.  Is there anyway to install without downloading?
[01:40] <acee1234> scorpkiing: didnt work ill pastebin what i did
[01:40] <hydrogen> you need to configure your computer first
[01:40] <hydrogen> then you will be able to see it in konqueror
[01:40] <ScorpKing> acee1234: ok
[01:41] <acee1234> ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/m6ac44050
[01:41] <hydrogen> in media:/
[01:41] <evilidler> crazy_bus: Look for a DVD with the beta, maybe. But it IS a beta.
[01:41] <ScorpKing> acee1234: which one are you trying to mount?
[01:41] <crazy_bus> how much does it have to download.  As cd's never seemed to download more than the package lists during install before.
[01:42] <acee1234> the larger ntfs
[01:42] <notv> whats up with gutsy?
[01:42] <notv> does it come out in a few days or what
[01:42] <acee1234> ScorpKing: the larger ntfs
[01:43] <notv> do you think if i get gutsy now it will be any different than the official release?
[01:43] <ScorpKing> acee1234: /dev/sda3?
[01:43] <ScorpKing> acee1234: or /dev/sda1?
[01:43] <ScorpKing> acee1234: what happens if you type sudo mount /dev/sda3
[01:44] <acee1234> ScorpKing: i dont know how to tell but its the one thats about 70GB
[01:44] <evilidler> crazy_bus: Considering how much better upgrades are working nowadays, I'd install a stable edition, latest possible, and then dist-upgrade from there. Make sure the base install is a minimal non-GUI installation and let it download everything in one go.
[01:44] <ScorpKing> acee1234: there are two ntfs ones.
[01:45] <ScorpKing> acee1234: run sudo mount -a and pastebin the output.
[01:45] <acee1234> ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/m1377fcf9
[01:46] <evilidler> acee1234: sda3 is broken :(
[01:46] <acee1234> ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/m3ba30a7e
[01:46] <ScorpKing> acee1234: does mount show /dev/sda1 as mounted?
[01:47] <Administrator> i cant find !fuse
[01:47] <Creationist225> I was dual-booting Feisty/XP but now I'm trying to upgrade both to Gutsy/Vista.  After installing Vista, though, I can not boot into it because GRUB issues an Error 22.  I completely removed all my partitions before installing Windows so I don't know how to get rid of GRUB.  Anyone have any input?
[01:47] <evilidler> I'm wondering if a reboot into Windows, diskcheck and then back would help
[01:47] <Administrator> is there a way to download ntfs-config?
[01:47] <Administrator> i got adept package manager
[01:48] <ScorpKing> acee1234: run ls /dev/ | grep sda
[01:48] <crazy_bus_> sorry for some reason my internet disconnected.  Does anyone know how much the installer downloads and if their is anyway to bypass it as the dvd is too big for me to get at the moment
[01:48] <ScorpKing> acee1234: is sda sda1 sda2 sda3 there?
[01:48] <acee1234> sda...sda1...sda2...sda3...sda4
[01:49] <evilidler> crazy_bus_: The amount of packages to download for a beta version might be too large for you, then. They're in constant flux, I bet
[01:49] <Administrator> there a way to download ntfs config?
[01:49] <acee1234> evilidler: what do you mean its broken? i can boot on it just fine
[01:49] <ScorpKing> acee1234: change sda3 to sda4 in fstab
[01:49] <crazy_bus_> is there anyway to install without downloading the newer packages.   Was it 7.04?
[01:51] <Creationist225> I was dual-booting Feisty/XP but now I'm trying to upgrade both to Gutsy/Vista.  After installing Vista, though, I can not boot into it because GRUB issues an Error 22.  I completely removed all my partitions before installing Windows so I don't know how to get rid of GRUB.  Anyone have any input?
[01:51] <Administrator> yeah
[01:51] <evilidler> Administrator: Only one way to find out. Try it :)
[01:51] <Administrator> k
[01:52] <evilidler> Administrator: You can't harm your system if it can't find a package.
[01:52] <acee1234> ScorpKing: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylind
[01:52] <Creationist225> ...how can I completely remove GRUB from my drive?
[01:53] <ScorpKing> acee1234: ugh. run chkdsk from windows.
[01:53] <ScorpKing> Creationist225: overwrite it with another bootloader
[01:53] <evilidler> Could be problems related to partitioning, but a consistency check in Win should help
[01:54] <Administrator> nope it doesnt have the package
[01:54] <Administrator> so when i use sudo it searches internally?
[01:54] <Administrator> only
[01:54] <acee1234> ScorpKing: not possible its too messed up, i need to format it at some point will that help?
[01:54] <evilidler> Administrator: Its dependencies are probably few. You could try getting it from a repository on another computer.
[01:54] <evilidler> Administrator: No, it's just that your system, when installed from CD, only adds the CD as a repository
[01:54] <Administrator> how i access the repository?
[01:55] <mr_butter> your all using KDE? wicked
[01:55] <evilidler> Administrator: Moving into advanced territory here :)
[01:55] <ScorpKing> acee1234: yes but change the partition layout while you're at it
[01:55] <Administrator> how? im a newb :p
[01:55] <ScorpKing> acee1234: will you keep the box deul boot?
[01:55] <ScorpKing> duel*
[01:55] <Administrator> dual
[01:55] <ScorpKing> or whatever
[01:56] <evilidler> acee1234: Make all partitions with one program, just to allocate space. Install Windows first, simply formatting what you beed, then install Linux
[01:56] <Doctor_Nick> uggghhhh
[01:56] <Doctor_Nick> i cannot wait until gutsy comes out
[01:56] <evilidler> Administrator: Finding the packages is a hell of job ;)
[01:56] <Doctor_Nick> so i can upgrade alsa and the kernel
[01:56] <Administrator> ok so how i do that?
[01:56] <ScorpKing> Administrator: sudo aptitude search package
[01:56] <evilidler> Administrator: I think it's better to just burn a DVD of the 7.04 distro if you can't connect the Linux box to the net
[01:56] <acee1234> ScorpKing: yes
[01:57] <Administrator> if i do connect it to the net
[01:57] <Administrator> and perform the exact command again
[01:57] <Administrator> will it search the net repositories?
[01:57] <evilidler> Administrator: Then you just open Adept and add repositories..and all is well
[01:57] <crazy_bus_> if I unplug my modem when I install the beta will it not download all the updated packages so that I can boot into gutsy and then update them?
[01:57] <ScorpKing> acee1234: what size is the disk?
[01:57] <Administrator> how i add them lol
[01:58] <evilidler> Administrator: Worry about that when you have the Linux computer connected - you can IRC from there ;)
[01:58] <evilidler> crazy_bus_: Huh?
[01:58] <ScorpKing> crazy_bus_: do you want to update the gusty ones? then yes, you can
[01:58] <Administrator> fuck kubuntu going to use ubuntu
[01:58] <Administrator> no more crazy stupid shit
[01:58] <ScorpKing> !ohmy
[01:58] <acee1234> ScorpKing:  100GB
[01:58] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:59] <crazy_bus_> I just want to be able to boot into gutsy and not be stuck in the text installer for 10 hours
[01:59] <evilidler> You'll find Ubuntu has exactly the same packages..we use the same repositories and builds of the installer CDs
[01:59] <ScorpKing> acee1234: boot from the live cd. then...
[01:59] <Administrator> yeah but im more used to ubuntu
[01:59] <mr_butter> watch language
[01:59] <mr_butter> that's seriosu
[01:59] <mr_butter> effort
[01:59] <Administrator> it has a better gui
[01:59] <acee1234> ScorpKing: and do what
[01:59] <ScorpKing> acee1234: i type slow. lol
[01:59] <Administrator> if i connect the linux box to the internet and type in the command "sudo apt-get install ntfs-config"
[01:59] <acee1234> ScorpKing: no
[01:59] <evilidler> crazy_bus_: Once you start updating, just let it download everything. Updating WILL take a while.
[02:00] <Administrator> its going to search the internet or not?
[02:00] <acee1234> ScorpKing: np
[02:00] <mr_butter> anyone else have a problem with Amsn in kubuntu?
[02:00] <evilidler> crazy_bus_: Installing a simple installation and then getting kubuntu-desktop before making the changes to upgrade to beta gives yoy a decent desktop, though
[02:00] <evilidler> Administrator: No, you will need to add repository lines. There is a good tutorial on the Ubuntu wiki.
[02:01] <crazy_bus_> can you give me a rough time of how long it will download in the text installer.  Also will the final release have to download things like this before it boots up.  Or will you be able to update once you have booted in like previous releases?
[02:02] <ScorpKing> acee1234: make the root partition / (sda1) about 10GB. make /home (sda2) about 30GB (depending how much you need for xp). make a swap partition (sda3) about 1GB and one for windows (sda4) the rest. then just install xp on sda4 first before you install linux.
[02:02] <evilidler> crazy_bus_: Depends on your bandwidth and how much you install. But if we say core system+KDE, that's probably up to 400MB
[02:03] <crazy_bus_> how come it's never downloaded packages during the install before?
[02:03] <acee1234> ScorpKing: alright
[02:03] <acee1234> ScorpKing: than you for your help
[02:03] <acee1234> ScorpKing: ill do a backup and format it all
[02:03] <evilidler> crazy_bus_: Solar flares?
[02:03] <ScorpKing> acee1234: np. i have to go now. good luck. :)
[02:04] <ScorpKing> nite guys!
[02:04] <administrator_> ok i got the internet connected
[02:04] <administrator_> now what?
[02:04] <crazy_bus_> so will I have to download all these things during all installs from now on.  Or only with alpha's and beta's?
[02:05] <peter_> can anyone tell me how to create .iso file from folders on ubuntu...?
[02:05] <acee1234> Evilidler: thank you aswell
[02:06] <administrator_> evilidler what do i do now to get the repositories?
[02:07] <evilidler> administrator_: In Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[02:07] <jhutchins> !easysources | administrator_
[02:07] <notv> is there a gutsy channel?
[02:07] <ubotu> administrator_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:07] <evilidler> peter_: K3B is the program
[02:07] <jhutchins> notv: ubuntu+1
[02:07] <administrator_> kubuntu
[02:08] <jhutchins> notv: It's combined k|ubuntu.
[02:08] <evilidler> administrator_: Follow the nice link jhutchins gave you and have Adept open to enter the sources into
[02:08] <jhutchins> administrator_: or sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list (isn't it?)
[02:09] <evilidler> kdesu for graphical programs
[02:09] <administrator_> its only for ubuntu
[02:09] <evilidler> Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu. Same repositories, different choice of desktops.
[02:09] <evilidler> Same core programs. No differences.
[02:09] <tekteen> I install both
[02:10] <tekteen> but use kde more
[02:10] <evilidler> I'm just eternally stuck on KDE now. It works for me.
[02:10] <evilidler> When I had a weaker system, built from spare parts, XFCE was nice.
[02:11] <administrator_> ok i think i got them
[02:11] <tekteen> does anyone know how to download the debs of programs and their dependencies without install.
[02:11] <tekteen> I want to make a cd with them
[02:11] <Dr_willis> thresx an apt-get -d option I think
[02:11] <Dr_willis> !info aptcd
[02:11] <tekteen> for mass install
[02:11] <ubotu> Package aptcd does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:11] <Dr_willis> !info apt-cd
[02:11] <ubotu> Package apt-cd does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:11] <evilidler> administrator_: If they're entered, update+upgrade, then look for the programs you need
[02:11] <Dr_willis> Theres an Apt cd tool.. somewhere. :)
[02:11] <Dr_willis> !find aptcd
[02:12] <ubotu> Package/file aptcd does not exist in feisty
[02:12] <tekteen> no
[02:12] <administrator_> how i update and upgrade?
[02:12] <Dr_willis> aptoncd - Installation disc creator for packages downloaded via APT
[02:12] <tekteen> it needs to have a script for install
[02:12] <tekteen> not aptoncd
[02:12] <Dr_willis> good luck then.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:12] <tekteen> this is for mass installs of kubuntu
[02:12] <evilidler> administrator_: In Adept, click Fetch Updates, then Apply Changes
[02:13] <administrator_> kk
[02:13] <tekteen> I need a script an "idiot" could use
[02:13] <administrator_> its gray for some reason
[02:13] <tekteen> lol
[02:13] <Dr_willis> I got a little script that scans a machine for what packages it has.. writes them to a file. then another script that reads/installs them from that list.
[02:13] <evilidler> Idiots have so many ideas..can't account for them all
[02:13] <Dr_willis> But it does download them all. Its just a script for the apt-getting part.
[02:13] <administrator_> yeah its just gray
[02:13] <tekteen> Is there an easy way to down them to a folder
[02:13] <Dr_willis> if i had a apt-caching fileserver.. that would speed it up a lot.
[02:14] <tekteen> the rest I can do
[02:14] <evilidler> administrator_: No changes to perform, then. Which is good. Just search for ntfs-config
[02:14] <tekteen> I do not want to down by hand
[02:14] <administrator_> there isnt anything
[02:14] <tekteen> ok
[02:14] <tekteen> thanks
[02:14] <evilidler> administrator_: No ntfs-config?
[02:15] <administrator_> no
[02:15] <evilidler> administrator_: Then you didn't add the universe repository
[02:15] <administrator_> lol how i do that?
[02:15] <evilidler> administrator_: Go to the Adept menu and Manage repositories
[02:16] <administrator_> its also gray
[02:16] <evilidler> Tick the boxes down the list to get everything, then run another update after closing the config
[02:16] <evilidler> administrator_: What is?
[02:16] <Minataku> Dr_willis: :D
[02:16] <administrator_> manage repositories
[02:16] <Minataku> What's up?
[02:16] <Minataku> Where are my Amigas? XD
[02:16] <tv_> I have two users on my system.  How do I eliminate internet access completely from one of the users?
[02:17] <evilidler> administrator_: That's weird. Did you enter your password when starting Adept?
[02:17] <administrator_> yes
[02:17] <administrator_> ok got it up now
[02:17] <administrator_> what now
[02:17] <administrator_> ?
[02:18] <evilidler> administrator_: Select all repositories
[02:18] <administrator_> they been
[02:18] <administrator_> now what?
[02:18] <evilidler> Universe definitely selected? Then close. Fetch updates.
[02:18] <administrator_> should it be download from: main server?
[02:18] <administrator_> yes
[02:18] <evilidler> Tick everything ON.
[02:18] <evilidler> All options.
[02:18] <administrator_> kk done
[02:18] <administrator_> where should i download it from?
[02:18] <yonkeltron> are there plans for jruby integration?
[02:18] <administrator_> main server?
[02:19] <evilidler> Pick a nearby server for speed.
[02:19] <administrator_> kk
[02:19] <administrator_> ill justy say main server
[02:19] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Come on, don't dodge me... :(
[02:20] <administrator_> and just click reset?
[02:20] <administrator_> evilidler?
[02:20] <administrator_> or click close?
[02:20] <evilidler> administrator_: CLOSE. Reset undoes everything you did ;)
[02:20] <administrator_> kk
[02:20] <administrator_> kk downloading
[02:20] <Dr_willis> hay Minataku
[02:20] <Dr_willis> been fighting with the wifes CELL phone for the last 2 days
[02:20] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Heh
[02:20] <Minataku> I hate cellphones
[02:21] <Minataku> Haha
[02:21] <administrator_> yes i see :D
[02:21] <Dr_willis> Expecsa ya to know EVERYTHING about the phone she just got.. but WONT let me even touch the phone.
[02:21] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Typical
[02:22] <administrator_> ok evilidler i got  it :D
[02:22] <administrator_> but it wont open the config tool :(
[02:22] <evilidler> administrator_: Boo. Run as root?
[02:23] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Any word on those Amigas? (Sorry, but I _have_ been waiting a while now XD)
[02:23] <evilidler> administrator_: sudo ntfs-config, that is
[02:23] <administrator_> kk
[02:23] <administrator_> one sec
[02:23] <Minataku> Still no rush, of course... X3
[02:23] <administrator_> failed to open device
[02:24] <danya> hello .. I'm having a problem ..my laptop keeps freezing and the only way to shutdown is by the power button .. this thing started happening after I insatlled compiz ... I tried alt-prt sc - r .. but nothing really works
[02:24] <administrator_> what now evilidler?
[02:25] <ubuntu_> no ops? lol wut
[02:26] <administrator_> looks like im locked out
[02:26] <administrator_> blah
[02:27] <tekteen> is there a way to download a list of debs to a folder
[02:27] <administrator_> evililder?
[02:28] <tekteen> ?
[02:28] <evilidler> administrator_: I dunno then. I don't do dualboot.-
[02:28] <tekteen> is there a way to download a list of debs to a folder?
[02:28] <administrator_> its not dualboot
[02:28] <administrator_> its a different box entirely
[02:29] <evilidler> administrator_: Well, I don't touch NTFS with Linux, anyway ;)
[02:30] <evilidler> administrator_: The ntfs-config homepage is pretty useless, but there's something on the forum
[02:30] <evilidler> administrator_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337970
[02:30] <evilidler> That post contains links to the Launchpad pages, too
[02:31] <administrator_> how do i get the permissions on a folder back?
[02:31] <administrator_> it says ownership: root
[02:31] <administrator_> but i am root
[02:31] <evilidler> administrator_: If it's a regular folder, chmod. If it's a mounted folder, change mount options.
[02:32] <evilidler> administrator_: You probably need chmod +x directory
[02:32] <waltercool> chown root folder
[02:32] <waltercool> chmod 755 folder?
[02:32] <evilidler> Or chmod 700, depending on paranoia
[02:33] <administrator_> cannot open
[02:33] <Dr_willis> every 2 min.. wife yells at me to come in there and help her...
[02:33] <evilidler> chown root.root dir; chmod 755 dir
[02:33] <waltercool> someone know how see what apps are using audio? i have audio bloqued for some app
[02:33] <administrator_> it cannot access it
[02:34] <administrator_> i see that it mounte
[02:34] <administrator_> but it locked me out
[02:34] <administrator_> i dont even know how that happened
[02:34] <evilidler> administrator_: It's mount options, then. What does the ntfs-config manpage say?
[02:35] <waltercool> someone knows?
[02:35] <administrator_> i unno
[02:35] <evilidler> administrator_: Pastebin some ls -l output from the directory above it
[02:36] <administrator_> its in the / dir
[02:36] <evilidler> administrator_: So "ls -l /"
[02:36] <evilidler> administrator_: I just want the line with the mounted drive
[02:36] <administrator_> ok
[02:36] <administrator_> "/external HD"
[02:36] <administrator_> thats the url to it
[02:37] <evilidler> Why is it mounted there, anyway?
[02:37] <administrator_> i had it mouted there
[02:37] <evilidler> administrator_: In theory, you should just plug it in and it appears in /media/
[02:37] <nonewmsgs> i can see my usb flash drive in kinfocenter but it isnt mounted
[02:38] <nonewmsgs> or any way to access it
[02:38] <administrator_> ill try that
[02:38] <evilidler> administrator_: Remember to unmount first
[02:39] <administrator_> kk
[02:39] <administrator_> lol how i do that?
[02:39] <administrator_> :p
[02:39] <evilidler> umount /external HD/
[02:39] <evilidler> Or umount "/external HD"
[02:40] <administrator_> unmount
[02:40] <administrator_> its not a command
[02:40] <waltercool> umount
[02:40] <Dr_willis> its umount
[02:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:40] <evilidler> umount
[02:40] <Dr_willis> no N
[02:40] <Dr_willis> mnmnmnmnmnmn :)
[02:40] <administrator_> 0.o
[02:40] <administrator_> thats stupid
[02:40] <evilidler> No, that
[02:40] <Dr_willis> sure.. whatever. :)
[02:40] <evilidler> is efficient
[02:40] <evilidler> Make an alias if you feel more typing is better :)
[02:41] <Dr_willis> we said umount several times. :) no typos here.
[02:41] <Dr_willis> theres a reason theres no n.. but its stems back from Dinosours.. :)
[02:41] <administrator_> it says its not mounted
[02:41] <evilidler> Right, then it isn't.
[02:41] <evilidler> Probably.
[02:41] <administrator_> one sec
[02:41] <evilidler> Just unplug and pray to the dark deities of computing that it shows up when you plug it back in.
[02:42] <nonewmsgs> tried that but nothing happend
[02:42] <administrator_> http://pastebin.com/m79b958e8
[02:43] <evilidler> administrator_: sudo before the command if you're not root. But it's not mounted. So IGNORE it.
[02:43] <evilidler> administrator_: Unplug, plug in, dark prayers etc.
[02:43] <administrator_> kk
[02:43] <administrator_> how can i login as root?
[02:43] <nonewmsgs> sudo su
[02:44] <evilidler> administrator_: You don't :)
[02:44] <administrator_> what/?!@
[02:44] <administrator_> ok i just turned it back on
[02:44] <evilidler> administrator_: You do things AS root with sudo, but you don't actually log in.
[02:44] <nonewmsgs> admin, if you type sudo su in a terminal it makes you root but it's not recomended
[02:45] <administrator_> yeah it mounted again in new forlder
[02:45] <administrator_> and once again i do not have permission
[02:45] <evilidler> I'm out of ideas. Must be a mount option or something in /etc/fstab.
[02:46] <paonia> administrator_ just an idea type su
[02:46] <administrator_> can you take screenshots in kubuntu?
[02:46] <administrator_> kk
[02:46] <paonia> yes
[02:47] <administrator_> authentication failure
[02:47] <administrator_> sorry.
[02:47] <administrator_> :(
[02:47] <paonia> aaah
[02:47] <NickPresta> administrator_, press the print screen button on your keyboard. If you prefer a way to do it from the command line, just ask
[02:47] <paonia> type sudo passwd root - this lets you set the root password
[02:47] <administrator_> kk
[02:47] <NickPresta> a root account isn't suggested
[02:47] <NickPresta> !root
[02:47] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[02:48] <administrator_> kk password updates cucessfully
[02:48] <administrator_> now waht?
[02:48] <waltercool> someone knows how release audio of all apps?
[02:48] <paonia> now sudo su will work
[02:48] <waltercool> i have audio bloqued
[02:48] <administrator_> kk
[02:48] <waltercool> blocked
[02:48] <paonia> try sudo mount
[02:48] <administrator_> it is mounted
[02:48] <administrator_> i just cant access the folder where its at
[02:48] <paonia> you want to umount
[02:49] <administrator_> no i just want to access the folder where all the stuff is in there
[02:49] <evilidler> His drive appears automagically when he plugs it in. But the mount options are probably all wrong.
[02:49] <paonia> if it is usb it should come up as sda1
[02:51] <nonewmsgs> ther is nothing in media for it...also strangely it isnt under lspci
[02:51] <nonewmsgs> but it's clearly there in kinfo
[02:51] <administrator_> yeah once again no permission
[02:51] <administrator_> :(
[02:51] <paonia> HUH
[02:51] <paonia> is it a ntfs drive
[02:51] <paonia> ?
[02:51] <administrator_> yea
[02:52] <paonia> do you have ntfs-3g installed
[02:52] <paonia> ?
[02:52] <administrator_> i have ntfs-config
[02:52] <administrator_> yeah its on there
[02:53] <paonia> sometimes if it wasn't shutdown properly it won't mount with linux, you may try remounting in windows and making sure to unmount in windows prior to plugging into linux
[02:53] <administrator_> hmm
[02:53] <administrator_> it mounts correctly
[02:53] <administrator_> cause when i use disk & filesystem system settings
[02:53] <administrator_> and i click browse
[02:53] <administrator_> i see the files on there'
[02:54] <paonia> but you cannot access from command line?
[02:54] <administrator_> its just when i go to the folder it wont let me open it cause i dont have the correct permissions
[02:54] <administrator_> i have acccess to it
[02:54] <administrator_> what i type?
[02:54] <paonia> cd /
[02:54] <paonia> then cd media
[02:54] <administrator_> wait
[02:54] <paonia> ls
[02:54] <administrator_> first cd /
[02:54] <administrator_> then cd media
[02:54] <administrator_> ?
[02:55] <administrator_> ok
[02:55] <administrator_> now what
[02:55] <administrator_> ?
[02:55] <NickPresta> !enter | administrator_
[02:55] <ubotu> administrator_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[02:55] <ubuntu_> I finally got fed up with the webkit article and updated it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit
[02:55] <paonia> do you see the sda1 drive?
[02:56] <administrator_> http://pastebin.com/m4ed2a3d8
[02:56] <administrator_> this is what i see
[02:57] <administrator_> what now?
[02:57] <paonia> type nautilus and then you will be at root in the GUI
[02:57] <administrator_> kk
[02:57] <administrator_> its not installed
[02:57] <NickPresta> paonia, this is the kubuntu channel. We don't have nautilus by default, AFAIK
[02:57] <paonia> what version of ubuntu
[02:57] <NickPresta> administrator_, you can use "konqueror"
[02:58] <paonia> ok konqueror
[02:58] <administrator_> yup
[02:58] <administrator_> i am using it
[02:58] <administrator_> but still no permission
[02:58] <caravaka> caravaka: test
[02:59] <NickPresta> administrator_, in a Konsole, type: kdesu konqueror /media
[02:59] <paonia> strangeness
[02:59] <administrator_> kk
[03:00] <administrator_> http://pastebin.com/m3fd08703
[03:00] <administrator_> this is what i get
[03:00] <paonia> do it from a terminal in the GUI
[03:01] <administrator_> how?
[03:01] <NickPresta> administrator_, stop using root. Close the konsole and open a new one
[03:02] <administrator_> k
[03:02] <NickPresta> administrator_, and copy what I wrote correctly. "kdesu", not "kdesue"
[03:02] <administrator_> YAY~!
[03:02] <administrator_> it opened :)
[03:03] <purpleposeidon> How do you compile kqemu? I got build-essential, the linux-headers...
[03:03] <administrator_> do i have to open it up like that always?
[03:03] <evilidler> purpleposeidon: apt-get build-dep kvm, maybe
[03:04] <evilidler> administrator_: No, this is just an indicator that some mount options are wrong.
[03:04] <evilidler> If the mount point is specified in /etc/fstab, adding uid/gid for it should do the trick.
[03:05] <administrator_> its specified to
[03:05] <rickey> i just installed pidgin and updated it them i tryed to loge in to yahoo in which i have a account with, it took me to a chat looking page  and asked me to click a link , in which it could verify my account . it said command sent ,but not recived my browser
[03:05] <purpleposeidon> evilidler: I don't have that...
[03:05] <administrator_> "/media/external"
[03:06] <rickey> by my brower
[03:06] <administrator_> how can i alter the mount options evilidler?
[03:06] <evilidler> administrator_: This is ntfs, so I dunno
[03:07] <rickey> anyone got any ideal,s about what i can do next
[03:08] <rickey> how do i get ahold of yahoo staff
[03:08] <evilidler> rickey: Business plan :)
[03:08] <administrator_> blah!
[03:08] <administrator_> why cant they made linux run on ntfs
[03:09] <administrator_> why was that so hard
[03:09] <evilidler> administrator_: You might want to wear asbestos underwear now ;)
[03:09] <administrator_> huh?
[03:09] <administrator_> whats asbestos?
[03:09] <holycow> administrator_: because your an idiot?
[03:09] <holycow> i mean c'mon
[03:09] <evilidler> NTFS is a one-size-fits-all solution. We use different filesystems for different purposes.
[03:09] <holycow> here are some reasons:
[03:09] <NickPresta> !language | holycow
[03:09] <ubotu> holycow: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:10] <rickey> humm let,s see maybe bill gate wouild get ped off
[03:10] <holycow> a: PROPRIETARY ... no one has access to this outside ms
[03:10] <holycow> b: NOT DOCUMENTED .. no on eknows how it REALLY works outside ms
[03:10] <Jucato> administrator_: two simple reasons: it's proprietary and it doesn't respect or even know about UNIX file permissions
[03:10] <administrator_> hmm ok
[03:10] <holycow> c: what Jucato said
[03:10] <Jucato> the first is very important for Linux, the 2nd is very important for any *nix system
[03:10] <administrator_> have to find a program that can then read ext3 format :D
[03:11] <Jucato> there are 2 of those
[03:11] <evilidler> administrator_: Well, that's easier :)
[03:11] <Jucato> fs explorer and ext driver (or fs driver)
[03:11] <administrator_> alright thanks
[03:11] <administrator_> well goodnight everyone
[03:11] <evilidler> Instead of forcing the MS universe on your poor Linux box, go the other way :)
[03:11] <admin|sleep> they should find a way to get games to work on linux
[03:11] <rickey> jucato how is thing going friend
[03:11] <admin|sleep> that would be awesome
[03:12] <evilidler> Meh. Get a console.
[03:12] <Jucato> admin|sleep: game makers should find a way to get their games work on linux
[03:12] <paonia> or create a fat32 drive and you can interchange either way
[03:12] <rickey> thanks for your help the other nigth
[03:12] <evilidler> Besides, UT and QW works in Linux.
[03:12] <Jucato> it's not something linux could do on its own
[03:12] <Jucato> rickey: oh kool. :)
[03:12] <admin|sleep> yeah but not GTA :p
[03:12] <holycow> admin|sleep: wow man, i mean i am REALLY RAELLY working hard to actually be nice here
[03:12] <holycow> how can you be so misinformed?
[03:13] <evilidler> holycow: MCS*. Intravenous misinformation.
[03:13] <rickey> jucato are you avoiiding me
[03:13] <holycow> admin|sleep: i mean it's like basic stuff, spend 15 minutes googling and you will understand fundamentally why that statement is really dumb
[03:13] <admin|sleep> [20:13]  [Ignore]  Added holycow!* to your ignore list
[03:13] <admin|sleep> there we go :)
[03:13] <admin|sleep> nite everyone else
[03:13] <NickPresta> admin|sleep, could you please stop trolling.
[03:13] <ubuntu__> I have Vista on my computer :'(
[03:13] <NickPresta> !away > admin|sleep
 rickey: oh kool. :) <--- no, you just didnt read :)
[03:14] <Netkiller3714> Jucato
[03:14] <holycow> usser: what can we help with?
[03:14] <Jucato> Netkiller3714: yes?
[03:14] <Netkiller3714> I have a new computer now. It's got Vista on it
[03:14] <Netkiller3714> I want Winows XP and Ubuntu on it
[03:14] <Jucato> O.o
[03:15] <paonia> kill vista
[03:15] <Netkiller3714> But I can't install XP on it because Vista hogs the drive
[03:15] <evilidler> Netkiller3714: Did you get rid of the old computer? I recommend having one for each OS
[03:15] <paonia> reformat
[03:15] <Netkiller3714> If I install Ubuntu on the whole drive will it get rid of this?
[03:15] <Jucato> 1) I don't know if your XP license agreement allows for that (installing on a different computer) 2) You'll have to resize your partition to make room for Ubuntu 3) I don't have any experience dual booting VIsta and Linux
[03:16] <holycow> Netkiller3714: why don't you just format over vista instead of trying to partition around  it?
[03:16] <evilidler> Netkiller3714: You only need to start any OS installer and get to the partitioning bit and remove everything that is already there
[03:16] <rickey> i reconmend you throwing windows out the window!!!
[03:16] <Netkiller3714> So Installing Ubuntu on the whole drive will fix this right?
[03:16] <rickey> KUBUNTU RULES
[03:17] <BluesKaj> hey hey enuff , let him ask more questions
[03:17] <evilidler> Netkiller3714: Starting to install will fix it. If you're going to dualboot, install WinXP first, then Linux in the remaining space
[03:17] <Netkiller3714> lol Windows Vista (Windex sold seperatly)
[03:17] <Jucato> Netkiller3714: installing Ubuntu on the whole drive will wipe out Vista completely on that hard drive
[03:17] <evilidler> If you still have the old computer, is it too weak to run either OS?
[03:17] <Jucato> unless you make space for it
[03:17] <BluesKaj> Netkiller3714, do you want to keep vista?
[03:17] <Netkiller3714> k thanks
[03:17] <Netkiller3714> NO!!
[03:17] <Netkiller3714> VISTA SUCKS!!
[03:18] <Netkiller3714> >_<
[03:18] <Jucato> !caps
[03:18] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:18] <evilidler> Many systems delivered with Vista aren't actually up to the task, so I can understand not keeping it :)
[03:18] <Jucato> thanks
[03:18] <BluesKaj> install XP first then kubuntu
[03:18] <Netkiller3714> I only play games on XP thats why I want it
[03:18] <rickey> ammen brother amen
[03:18] <Netkiller3714> ok brb installing Ubuntu :D
[03:18] <evilidler> Yeah, if you need games, XP will be least problematic. And Linux will let you get work done.
[03:19] <rickey> jucato i got a dandy for you tonigth ,listen to this
[03:20] <rickey>  i just installed pidgin 2.2 and went though all the steps to install it rigth
[03:20] <rickey>  ok
[03:21] <rickey> at the end of the prosess it asked me to click a like
[03:21] <rickey> to verifty my account
[03:21] <rickey>  and my browser wouldnt send the link con fo
[03:22] <Jucato> verify your account? with what?
[03:22] <rickey> this wasent manual it installed it,s self
[03:22] <rickey> sending a link back
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: he is signing up with a AIM SN apparently
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> or rather...registering a SN
[03:23] <rickey> me tyoo
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I was talking about you.
[03:23] <rickey> well i mmean i did downloaded it
[03:23] <rickey>  but it installed it,s self
[03:24] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: if you have better experience with this, could you please help him?
[03:24] <rickey> jucato do you do any live chat?
[03:24] <Jucato> I use Kopete. but I don't have an AIM account
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> I use AIM, but I didn't register through pidgin.
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> rickey: do you already have an AIM screen name?
[03:25] <Jucato> and I have other accounts that were registered even before I started using Linux
[03:25] <rickey> nosre i was talking about yahoo chat anyway
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> rickey: oh.. ok... do you already have a yahoo account?
[03:27] <rickey> yes
[03:27] <rickey> for many years
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> rickey: no need to register a new one then.
[03:27] <rickey> all that stuff went ok
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> just put in your sn and password and you're good
[03:27] <BluesKaj> doesn't kopete have yahoo capability?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. it does
[03:28] <rickey> and it took me to a pre chat room asking me to click a link that would let me go to the chatroom of my choice
[03:28] <evilidler> I think Kopete has more such support built-in than Pidgin
[03:28] <Zombine> So... is there some way to change the percentage of touchpad used for scrolling?
[03:29] <rickey> but my browser wouldnt send the click back
[03:29] <BluesKaj> which browser ?
[03:29] <rickey> but kopete wont dont yahoo live chat
[03:29] <rickey> chatrooms
[03:30] <BluesKaj> you prolly have to config the default browser in pidgin
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> Zombine: I think so.
[03:30] <rickey> the one that was working with the install
[03:31] <rickey> bluues  i have firefox
[03:31] <BluesKaj> is it default in other apps like irc clients
[03:31] <Zombine> nosrednaekim: So.... Like.... what option and where?
[03:31] <Doctor_Nick> guys, ark sucks, ALOT
[03:31] <Doctor_Nick> are there any alternatives
[03:32] <Jucato> Doctor_Nick: try karchiver.. but I heard it sucks more...
[03:32] <rickey> blues how is this done
[03:32] <Jucato> Doctor_Nick: you can search for something in http://www.kde-apps.org
[03:32] <rickey> blues i dont know
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> Zombine: ASFAIK, you have to Download the official synaptics driver (its int he repos) and then do some configureations
[03:32] <rickey>  it is my defult
[03:32] <rickey> that i use for the internet
[03:33] <NightBird> I'm wanting to get a new wireless card... any suggestions on what to get?
[03:34] <rickey> how dose one configure there bowser for chat
[03:35] <BluesKaj> what irc client are you using
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: hey... umm desktop or laptop?
[03:35] <NightBird> laptop
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: miniPCI or PCMCIA?
[03:36] <rickey> Xchat and this one
[03:36] <rickey> Konversation
[03:36] <NightBird> nosrednaekim: the one that is the internal slot that requires some screw drivers to open as opposed to the wide one on the side... I don't know which one that is
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> miniPCI :)
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | NightBird
[03:36] <ubotu> NightBird: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: try to get an atheros or RaLink
[03:37] <NightBird> ok
[03:39] <rathel> I connect to another computer through SSH and I use ssh -X, anyway I can bring an application from that computer to this one in it's current state instead of opening a new one?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> rathel: no... you can't do that
[03:40] <rathel> nosrednaekim: Aw didn't think so.
[03:42] <Zombine> nosrednaekim: Alright.   In fact, I can't remember when any app has crashed on any of my systems.
[03:45] <hydrogen> ardchoille: and do you use it for large imap accounts?
[03:45] <ardchoille> I don't use imap
[03:45] <hydrogen> okay
[03:45] <hydrogen> so don't talk
[03:45] <hydrogen> thanks!
[03:45] <ardchoille> hydrogen: You're funny :)
[03:45] <hydrogen> my complaint was explicitly about kde mail clients when using imap
[03:46] <hydrogen> if you have no experience in such things
[03:46] <hydrogen> then your opinion is not that helpful
[03:46] <Jucato> hydrogen: rumor has it mailody is great with imap
[03:46] <ardchoille> hydrogen: Maybe you should file a bug report and make this problem known.
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> hsystem-x: yep... indeed
[03:46] <hydrogen> Jucato: yea.. I've used it once or twice
[03:46] <hydrogen> but it just crashed as soon as I started it
[03:46] <hydrogen> it still has a ways to go :/
[03:46] <Jucato> heh.. you've talked to toma about it?
[03:46] <hydrogen> yea
[03:47] <Zombine> nosrednaekim: Twill be enough I think :D
[03:47] <nonewmsgs> my ipod isnt mounting either :|
[03:47] <hydrogen> I think mailody is going to be great eventually
[03:47] <Jucato> rumor also has it that kmail really sucks for imap... but that it's supposed to be getting better... operative word: supposed to
[03:47] <hydrogen> I just don't think its there yet
[03:47] <Jucato> unfortunately it doesn't have POP3, so I have no use for it :(
[03:47] <Jucato> nor would I be testing it... :(
[03:47] <hydrogen> it doesn't support multiple accounts either
[03:47] <hydrogen> so its really limited
[03:48] <hydrogen> I'll just deal with kmail I guess
[03:48] <mluser-home> Anyone know how I can use knetworkmanager for connecting to wifi networks without having to provide my kwallet password everytime?
[03:48] <holycow> why not use thunderbird?
[03:48] <holycow> its actually pretty good with imap
[03:48] <hydrogen> because I can't stand mozilla
[03:48] <hydrogen> or any of its products
[03:48] <holycow> and excellent with multiple account
[03:48] <rathel> In Ktorrent how do I check if I have full connection?
[03:53] <yurimxpxman> do any of you know how to fix this error? http://yurimxpxman.dyndns.org/error
[03:55] <ardchoille> yurimxpxman: Looks like you might be missing a lib
[03:55] <yurimxpxman> ardchoille: any idea which one?
[03:56] <ardchoille> yurimxpxman: No idea, but looks like you need to find "Term/Animation.pm"
[03:56] <Zombine> Does anyone know what the disease you get from eating people is called?
[03:56] <ardchoille> !ot | Zombine
[03:56] <ubotu> Zombine: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:57] <Zombine> Ah.  I see
[03:59] <ardchoille> yurimxpxman: Does this help? http://tinyurl.com/2t9ou3
[04:00] <yurimxpxman> ardchoille: I found that file.. I'm not sure where I need to put it
[04:00] <yurimxpxman> all the places I've tried didn't work
[04:01] <danny500> >_<
[04:01] <danny500> I still can't install XP
[04:02] <yurimxpxman> danny500: who cares? :)
[04:02] <danny500> I got ubuntu installws
[04:02] <Quixogre> okay. i need help.
[04:02] <yurimxpxman> danny500: as long as you have GNU/Linux ;)
[04:02] <danny500> I do obviously
[04:02] <yurimxpxman> rawflz
[04:02] <danny500> no, not as long
[04:02] <yurimxpxman> it's easier to install XP before you install Kubuntu
[04:02] <danny500> did you not read what I said?
[04:03] <danny500> I CAN'T INSTALL XP
[04:03] <danny500> get that?
[04:03] <yurimxpxman> danny500: why not?
[04:03] <hydrogen> congratulations!
[04:03] <Quixogre> been trying all night to get ubuntu back up and running. iinstalled the nvidia graphics driver, and things went "wierd" for a bit. then i got them running smoothly. i thought. when i rebooted, Xwindows wont start up now
[04:03] <danny500> um
[04:03] <hydrogen> your in a much better place
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> danny500: and how is that kubuntu's fault?
[04:03] <yurimxpxman> exactly
[04:03] <hydrogen> you're
[04:03] <hydrogen> p
[04:03] <hydrogen> *
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> Quixogre: kernel driver probably.
[04:03] <danny500> Error in Setupdd.sys PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
[04:04] <Quixogre> nosrednaekim i figured as much. how do i back it out? or update whatever?
[04:04] <danny500>  It was talking about there could be a problem with the RAM settings
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> danny500: windows support is in #windows
[04:05] <danny500> k
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> danny500: and kubuntu doesn't affect them.
[04:05] <Avt3kk> im back in my ubuntu hehhehe
[04:05] <danny500> I like Ubuntu be It does not help with my gaming situation
[04:05] <ardchoille> yurimxpxman: Open a terminal and do:   apt-cache search asciiquarium
[04:05] <ardchoille> yurimxpxman: I think it's in the repos
[04:05] <Avt3kk> get xp lol
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> danny500: yeah... unfortunately that is the most common complaint
[04:06] <Zombine> If you use WINE with actual Windows DLL
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> Quixogre: hmmmm well, use the nv driver temporarily
[04:06] <Zombine> would that help with teh gaming?
[04:06] <ardchoille> yurimxpxman: It's in the universe repo
[04:06] <Quixogre> nosred? how do i
[04:06] <danny500> I don't feel like taking a week to set up WINE fully
[04:06] <Zombine> danny500: Well hell, that's half the fun :D
[04:07] <holycow> danny500: well i'm not sure we can actually help with winxp issues even if we tried ... if you are installing winxp but having problems ... the only thing we can say is for a dual boot box xp should be installed first and ubuntu second as the ubuntu installer will recognized xp
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> Quixogre: run this command from the terminal. "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:07] <danny500> I'm not repeating how I can't install XP at all.
[04:07] <BluesKaj> danny500, if games are so important then buy a game console like Wii or something
[04:07] <holycow> and we aren't going to bother trying to help
[04:07] <Quixogre> danny, seriously dude. take a hint. WE DONT DO WINDOWS
[04:08] <holycow> why don't you solve windows issues by trying #windows instead
[04:08] <Zombine> danny500: But console games kinda blow.  And this isn't Microsoft chat
[04:08] <Jucato> !windows
[04:08] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[04:08] <danny500> If I had tons of money I would, but none of the systems have BIOSHOCK or FEAR
[04:08] <hsystem-x> lol, computers are more advanced for gaming that a console ...
[04:08] <marlio> hello people, i'm brazilian
[04:08] <hsystem-x> console came from computers.
[04:08] <danny500> and?
[04:08] <danny500> I'm Canadia
[04:08] <marlio> and i want to improve my english with conversation
[04:08] <danny500> Canadian
[04:08] <holycow> and go away and bother #windows people please
[04:08] <hsystem-x> ej: alienware computers far more superior than a ps3 for example...
[04:08] <Zombine> danny500: 360 has Bioshock.  But honestly, we can't help you here
[04:08] <marlio> hello
[04:08] <danny500> lol doing that
[04:08] <Jucato> marlio: sorry, this isn't the place to learn English
[04:08] <marlio> i'm brazilian
[04:09] <Jucato> !br | marlio
[04:09] <ubotu> marlio: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus.  I have 5.1 speakers. When I was running windows I could plug them in and windows would detect them and configure the ports on my sound card for the speakers plugged in. How do I setup the ports on my sound card for linux?
[04:10] <holycow> marlio: well as long as yo make an effort to help your self first we will try
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> reading a lot of linux guides helps :)
[04:10] <Jucato> !offtopic
[04:10] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:10] <Zombine> Bye Marilo....
[04:10] <BluesKaj> danny500, where in canada are you , cuz most canucks know that por favor is not french
[04:11] <Quixogre> funny. i usually like canucks. this ones just dumber than a sack of hammers though
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> markgreene: if noone here knows.. go to #alsa.
[04:11] <Zombine> danny500: I think he was being sarcastic
[04:11] <markgreene> nosrednaekim: thanks I will check them out now
[04:12] <NickPresta> danny500, pour favor isn't french either. "For favor" makes no sense...
[04:12] <NickPresta> and yes, !offtopic, I know :)
[04:12] <BluesKaj> the french is s'il vous plait
[04:12] <Zombine> NickPresta: It kinda does when you think about it.  "Do this as a favor to me"
[04:12] <holycow> Zombine: no it doesn't
[04:12] <holycow> right offtopic
[04:13] <Jucato> guys, can you please take the language discussion out of here? thanks
[04:13] <ardchoille> Does kubuntu come with full commercial support like Ubuntu does?
[04:13] <Zombine> yeah... let's argue in #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:13] <BluesKaj> bye
[04:13] <gord> hey, can any of you guys deal with this: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+question/14296 ? some guy posted a support request about being banned from #kubuntu.
[04:13] <Jucato> ardchoille: from Canonical, yes I think so
[04:13] <BluesKaj> i'm staying here
[04:14] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, nice
[04:14] <Jucato> BluesKaj: can't be in two channels at the same time?
[04:14] <gord> oop sorry thats the beta url https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+question/14296
[04:14] <Quixogre> bbl. gonna reinstall the generic drivers for xwindows, see if i can get it back up
[04:15] <BluesKaj> Jucato, i can but , the topic isn't worth pursuing further
[04:15] <Jucato> :
[04:15] <Jucato> :)
[04:15] <Zombine> And... what do they mean by "full commerical support" anyway?  There's no tech support that I know of (besides here), you don't pay for the OS, there is no warranty... I'm not criticizing Ubuntu or anything, but what is there to support commercially
[04:16] <NickPresta> Zombine, you can buy professional support
[04:16] <Quixogre> zombine there IS professional support. if you're willing to pay for it
[04:16] <ardchoille> Zombine: I don't know, but http://www.ubuntu.com/ shows "The Ubuntu Promise" and it says "Ubuntu comes with full commercial support from Canonical .."
[04:17] <Quixogre> we're the poor schmucks who cant afford/dont believe in paying for support we can get better for freew
[04:17] <Zombine> And Canonical is a tech support service?
[04:17] <Zombine> Quixogre: Amen!
[04:17] <Quixogre> canonical is the company that basically started ubuntu
[04:18] <BluesKaj> defrag linux ..i guess the banned guy din't read any of the answers he got :)
[04:18] <czer323> And they support Ubuntu.  So, if you have seroius problems and need serious help, they can help you for a price.
[04:18] <yurimxpxman> ardchoille: what's the package name?
[04:18] <Zombine> Linux was never meant for the mainsteam.  Way I understand, it's more or less "by programmers for programmers" with features that they would like/need, and none that they would not
[04:18] <Zombine> But I guess not everyone thinks that way...
[04:19] <Jucato> fortunately
[04:19] <ardchoille> yurimxpxman:  kdescreensaver-aasaver
[04:19] <Quixogre> zom,bine although i think thats a great sentiment, linux still has to pay the bills for SOMEONE. in order to do so, it has to find ways of charging money
[04:20] <NickPresta> how would I kill every single thing owned by every single user logged in?
[04:20] <yurimxpxman> ardchoille: no..?
[04:20] <Quixogre> NickPresta killall
[04:21] <Zombine> NickPresta: Turn off the power :D
[04:21] <czer323> sudo init6 ? ;)
[04:21] <NickPresta> heh
[04:21] <ardchoille> lol
[04:22] <NickPresta> I suppose I'm looking for `slay`
[04:22] <yurimxpxman> NickPresta: sudo killall5
[04:22] <ardchoille> Where can I find a list of run levels and what they mean?
[04:22] <Jucato> ardchoille: um.. Google...
[04:22] <czer323> google, it's a fairly common thing
[04:23] <Jucato> there are only 6, with the 6th for reboot I think. so it's not so hard to look for :)
[04:23] <yurimxpxman> ardchoille: oh, I see what you're talking about
[04:23] <yurimxpxman> ardchoille: no, I'm trying to use the console version
[04:24] <ardchoille> yurimxpxman: Oh, ok.. never tried that
[04:24] <ardchoille> Jucato: Thanks, I found http://www.skullbox.net/init.php
[04:31] <root__> okay. need some help pelase
[04:32] <NickPresta> we're here for you, root__
[04:32] <root__> <~ quixogre
[04:32] <NickPresta> we're here for you too =D
[04:32] <Jucato> first thing you should know, do not go online as root :)
[04:32] <quixogre> there. now i feel like my old self. sorta
[04:33] <quixogre> lol this is the only way i can get into xwindows...
[04:33] <quixogre> now ya see why i need help...
[04:34] <quixogre> dpkg -configure -phigh xserver-xorg fixed my original problem...i can now launch xwindows again
[04:34] <quixogre> but only as root
[04:34] <quixogre> im afraid to reboot, because then i wont be able to get back on
[04:35] <Jucato> time to install and learn how to use irssi :)
[04:35] <Jucato> survival kit for users :)
[04:35] <ardchoille> quixogre: "Man who play in root eventually kill tree"
[04:36] <quixogre> ardchoille: hehe nothing on this pc im nto afraid to lose. lifes good when yer livin on the edge
[04:36] <BluesKaj> irssi rocks, helped me numerous times
[04:37] <quixogre> so now my dillemma is this. how do i get my nvidia drivers back, and running PROPERLY?
[04:38] <ardchoille> quixogre: No offense, but if you're willing to log in as root and irc in that account, then there's no telling what else you've done to create problems.
[04:39] <quixogre> ardchoille: no offense taken. but believe it or not, i havent changed anything, except installing the drivers from nvidia home page
[04:39] <DropKickMurpheys> speaking of nvidia drivers
[04:39] <DropKickMurpheys> how can i tell if i have the proper ones?
[04:40] <quixogre> brb. gonna reboot, and see if i can still log into windows. worst case, can use the dpkg trick again
[04:40] <ardchoille> DropKickMurpheys: "glxinfo | grep render" .. if you have hardware accel, then it's probably working fine.
[04:40] <evilidler> The proper ones don't crash when you run 3D programs.
[04:40] <DropKickMurpheys> lol
[04:40] <DropKickMurpheys> k
[04:41] <DropKickMurpheys> i'm using feistys cube junk
[04:41] <DropKickMurpheys> so it must be working
[04:41] <DropKickMurpheys> :D
[04:41] <|neon|> have a question about gutsy and crossover , after installing crossover i do  not get any menus have anyone try crossover on gutsy and if so did it work, thx
[04:42] <DropKickMurpheys> Oh, 1 more quick question
[04:42] <ardchoille> |neon|: Please aks in #ubuntu+1
[04:42] <ardchoille> s/aks/ask/
[04:43] <|neon|> ardchoille: ok thx
[04:43] <DropKickMurpheys> is there anyway i can get a program that can schedule downloads? I'm using Satellite internet and it has a Bandwith cap limit. It becomes disabled at 3 A.M EST and i really don't want to stay up just to start a download.
[04:43] <evilidler> DropKickMurpheys: cron, wget
[04:43] <quixogre> woot! got it :)
[04:43] <DropKickMurpheys> which would you recommend?
[04:44] <evilidler> DropKickMurpheys: It's not an or ;)
[04:44] <ardchoille> DropKickMurpheys: He means you would have to set up a cronjob for a wget session
[04:44] <DropKickMurpheys> Ah
[04:45] <evilidler> DropKickMurpheys: You use crontab -e to edit the crontab, and make it wget the files in question.
[04:45] <DropKickMurpheys> Hmm, is that fairly easy to do?  Then note down the syntax.
[04:46] <DropKickMurpheys> would cron also be called kcron?
[04:46] <evilidler> You could also pool together all your wget commands in a shell script and call that from the crontab.
[04:46] <evilidler> DropKickMurpheys: That would be a frontend to it, I guess. Does the same trick.
[04:46] <quixogre> okay. call me stubborn, but im gonna take another crack at this. i've installed the nvidia drivers for linux, but running them automatically seems to crash xwindows completely. is there a way to figure out whats causing the crash, and fix it?
[04:46] <DropKickMurpheys> ok
[04:46] <ardchoille> DropKickMurpheys: http://www.linuxweblog.com/node/24
[04:47] <evilidler> quixogre: /var/log/X11.something
[04:48] <evilidler> quixogre: Pastebin your xorg.conf, and I can tell if you're loading something you might want to remove
[04:51] <quixogre> evilidler: found my logfile, but its a newer one. not the one that was causing crash...
[04:52] <evilidler> quixogre: Your xorg.conf might be enough of a hint, anyway
[04:53] <quixogre> evilidler: gimme a sec. gonna reload nvidia drivers, let it build the xorg.conf that was causing crash, and send that to ya...
[04:53] <sirjoshimus> hi there, im using ubuntu server
[04:53] <sirjoshimus> dapper, and i cant seem to load up fluxbox
[04:53] <sirjoshimus> its saying it cant connect to xserver
[04:53] <robin> any one know if the 8800 video card issue is going to be resolved in the final release?
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> robin no issues here
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> so i say its fixed
[04:55] <robin> install issue wit hblack screen
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> had no problems here.
[04:56] <robin> when installing
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> 8800gtsXXX :)
[04:56] <robin> yes, I get a black screen when installing
[04:57] <quixogre> brb, gotta stop X server before i can run the nvidia files
[04:57] <robin> I know others do to as i just did a search on google
[04:58] <ManiDhillon> Where to find new cool icon packs?
[04:58] <DropKickMurpheys> lol, not trying to down linux but
[04:59] <ManiDhillon> ! icon packages
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icon packages - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:59] <DropKickMurpheys> with an 8800gts i would be pimping me some windows.
[04:59] <ManiDhillon> ! icon
[04:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:00] <ManiDhillon> How to set a picture ith a login name?
[05:00] <ardchoille> ManiDhillon: Looking for more icon themes?
[05:00] <ManiDhillon> ardchoille Yeah can you help me?
[05:00] <usser> ManiDhillon: kde-look.org
[05:01] <ardchoille> ManiDhillon: I don't know how to set a pic with a login name
[05:01] <quixogre> evilidler: still here?
[05:01] <evilidler> quixogre: Yep
[05:01] <quixogre> !pastebin
[05:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:02] <ManiDhillon> kde-look.org Okay I'll check that Thanls.
[05:03] <quixogre> evilidler: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39223/
[05:03] <evilidler> quixogre: Are you using a touchpad or something like that?
[05:03] <quixogre> evilidler: nope
[05:04] <evilidler> quixogre: Then you can at least drop the last three devices in ServerLayout
[05:04] <quixogre> done
[05:05] <evilidler> quixogre: The module section is exactly like mine, so it's fine
[05:05] <evilidler> quixogre: Now the three InputDevice sections for those lines can be removed from a bit further down, just to tidy up the file
[05:06] <quixogre> okies. gonna reboot. if i get the crash, will save the logfile to different location, run dpkg -reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg command, and come back with the log....hopefully be right back
[05:06] <evilidler> quixogre: There is one more setting you can use for full visuals
[05:06] <evilidler> quixogre:         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true" (in the Device section for the graphics card)
[05:07] <evilidler> quixogre: Are you using an LCD monitor?
[05:07] <quixogre> yes
[05:08] <evilidler> quixogre: Then you should trim the resolutions a bit. Keep only the default resolution, and maybe kill off lower bitdepths you don't use
[05:08] <quixogre> also using a secondary monitor, but will worry about that once i get these drivers running
[05:08] <evilidler> quixogre: Yeah, the primary monitor is most important. Mine was black till I got the right resolution set (1680x1050)
[05:09] <quixogre> 1440x900 is default here
[05:09] <evilidler> Anything else either was black in most cases, since I don't use DVI on it
[05:09] <quixogre> mines DVI if that makes a difference
[05:09] <evilidler> DVI can make a difference. Lemme check the docs real quick
[05:10] <quixogre> rebooting. just to see if this works...brb. hhopefully
[05:10] <evilidler> Yeah, DVI means more automatic stuff works
[05:11] <nicetry> hello
[05:12] <nicetry> i have one, problem. how do i install the fonts for wine file/?
[05:13] <nicetry> i open a program useing wine file and it does not show the fonts
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Hmm the .wine dir has some windows/fonts dir.
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> could put them in there . if ya knew where to get them
[05:21] <evilidler> You probably want to get msttcorefonts
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> thats a to do first :)
[05:22] <quixogre> !pastebin
[05:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:23] <quixogre> evilidler: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39224/ it crashed...but saved the log file this time
[05:23] <nicetry> Dr_Willis:i run my win program useing wine file  the program runs great the font does not show can u help/?
[05:24] <nicetry> evilidler:i have msttcorefonts, installed
[05:25] <DropKickMurpheys> !java
[05:25] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:25] <evilidler> quixogre: I suspect there's a mismatch between the actual nvidia module and the xorg drivers. I remember having to specify that the initrd should include nvidia, then making a new initrd.
[05:26] <evilidler> nicetry: I think they get their own directory somewhere. Copy the ttf files from there into .wine/fonts, or wherever, and Wine should have them available.
[05:26] <quixogre> bah. fsckit. been fooling weith this now for 8 hours. time for a break. i'll hit it again tomorrow
[05:26] <mike-kubuntu> hey, how do i modprobe the right driver for a usb ps2 controller
[05:27] <evilidler> quixogre: Yeah, if you look around the net, you'll find there's a seriously nasty problem with them..you might have as many as three slightly different versions of the kernel module
[05:27] <evilidler> quixogre: Better tackle it when rested :)
[05:27] <evilidler> Last time my drivers messed up, I reinstalled.
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> Windows Training! :)
[05:27] <quixogre> okies. thanks for the help evilidler...will ttya tomorrow
[05:27] <mike-kubuntu> I'm sure its mounted, however it's mounted under /dev/input/event3 and the driver must be wrong because it gets constant feedback whereas in all my previouse installs it only gave me feedback when the buttons were pressed and it used to mount at /dev/input/js0
[05:28] <evilidler> Dr_Willis: And certified!
[05:28] <nicetry> evilidler:where i get the ttf files and how i fine the wine/fonts dir
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> look in the .wine dir
[05:28] <evilidler> nicetry: Dunno. I saw someone mention that there is a .wine dir with a fonts subdir
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> it has a mirror of a windows install in there.
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:29] <evilidler> A mirror of the working parts, anyway :P
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> Then again.. installing the mstcore fonts pakcage SHOULD take care of it.
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> Install spyware with wine.. and look in .wine and see what it puts where. :)
[05:29] <nicetry> i open the c:/ and xwindow / fonts there/
[05:29] <nicetry> /?
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> nicetry LOOK in the .wine dir
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> or was that for niceity.. :)
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> heh
[05:30] <nicetry> where is that
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> .wine is in the users home dir.. with<PHONE_NUMBER>99999+ other .whatever dirs
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> or so they seem to accumulate. :)
[05:30] <evilidler> Stop making .pornN dirs and try to tidy up occasionally :)
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> every stupid game/program needs its own .whatever file or dir.
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> getting rather sad. :)
[05:31] <nicetry> am lostt
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> I must of had 300 .files befor
[05:32] <evilidler> Yeah, I think a program to watch the .dirs is needed.
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> nicetry use the terminal...   cd .wine    , then ls
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> the layout of the .wine dir is worth exploring.
[05:32] <evilidler> Something that knows the connection between the dpkg and the .dir so you can blow away the ones you don't have use for
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> or make the file manager show 'hidden files' and it will show up
[05:32] <nicetry> bash: cd: wine: No such file or directory
[05:32] <evilidler> DOT wine. Note the dot in front.
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> nicetry its .wine with a ........................................
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> . . . . . . . . . .
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:32] <nicetry> ok
[05:33] <nicetry> i did it
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> you DID install the mstcore fonts package?
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> !fonts
[05:33] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[05:33] <nicetry> yeah
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> theres some 'install vista fonts' scripts out also. heh
[05:34] <nicetry> i did"sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[05:34] <nicetry> now what
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> try running ya program again with wine whatever.exe
[05:35] <nicetry> no letter
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> letter? what letter?
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> I dont need no stinking letter. :)
[05:35] <nicetry> when i open the program it open but does not show any letter
[05:36] <nicetry> i mean fonts
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> Try copying the various font files over to that .wine/whatever/windows/fonts dir then I guess
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> it could be the program you are running is just  one that dont like wine.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> Hmm if installing fonts.. they should be seen idmietly by the system.. i think..
[05:37] <nicetry> where i get all the fonts
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> not sure if a logout is needed.. might be worth a shot..   i forget the command to   make X recache the fonts
[05:37] <mike-kubuntu> does udev keep a log of what it mounts where?
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> nicetry from a windows machine  would be one place.
[05:38] <mike-kubuntu> my ps2 joystick is bieng really annoying, i cant find out where its mounted or what its mounted with and either way it seems screwed up
[05:38] <nicetry> i format my drive
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> or use mc, and open up that msttcorefonts package and loon in there.
[05:38] <evilidler> I think just running defoma with sudo does some sort of font magic
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> look in there.
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> it downloaded to /var/cache/apt/Somthing....
[05:39] <evilidler>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ - my $HOME away from $HOME
[05:40] <nicetry> am looking see what i can do real quick
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> yep - its fun to explore whats in the  packages. :0
[05:43] <nicetry> ok i found the tff files for mscorefont but it wouldnt let me move it to c/win/fonts in wine file
[05:44] <nicetry> i mean ttf files
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> where is this c/win/fonts comming from?
[05:44] <nicetry> from wine file program
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> my wine dir is not laid out that way at all.
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> it would be like /home/willis/.wine/fake_c/windows/fonts
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> i think....
[05:46] <nicetry> ok i move the ttf files to /home/willis/.wine/fake_c/windows/fonts
[05:47] <evilidler> Why the heck would you MOVE them?
[05:47] <nicetry> it didnt have any ttf files
[05:47] <evilidler> Copy.
[05:47] <nicetry> yeah i copy and paste
[05:47] <evilidler> Don't want to move them away from where they're supposed to be.
[05:48] <nicetry> it still wont show the font for the programs
[05:48] <bastian> hello
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. silly windows virus checker.. found one.. then 'healed' the infected file by deleting it.. :)
[05:56] <evilidler> Take off and nuke it from orbit; only way to be sure.
[05:57] <evilidler> That's really my approach to bothersome users, too
[05:57] <nicetry> i remember now would it help if i relinstall the program
[05:59] <jim> I dual boot with FC6 and XP, using grub. I'm thinking of going from FC6 to kubuntu. Will the install DVD see my windows partition and leave it alone so I can dual boot XP and Kubuntu?
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> Jim it should
[06:00] <nicetry> is does not show the font for that program
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> heck it can even see the existing linux installs and set up grub entrys for them
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> some times it even does them RIGHT! :)
[06:00] <jim> really so it will ask if I want to get rid of FC6
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> no... it can install to another place and have a grub entry for FC6
[06:01] <jim> so I would have to remove FC6
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> if you want it to replace fc, i suggest using fdisk and deleting the fc partitions. then tell the installer to use the unallocaed apace.
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> same as ya remove anything. :)  fdisk! heh.. hard core.
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> or use gparted.
[06:02] <jim> I was hoping it would do it for me so I can blame it in case I do something stupid with fdisk : )
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> it proberly can.. but i find it easier to be sure to delete what i want.
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> then to figure out the installers 'helpfull' fdisking tools
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> 'use unallocated space' is about as clear as it gets.
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> other then 'use entire disk' :)
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> You will have to either set the mount points properly where yoru FC is at.. or delete them and let the installer make new partitions and mount points automaticially
[06:04] <jim> right I hear ya. Ok I assume it uses ext3?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> it can. :)
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> of course your FC install may be using LVM, or somthing else..
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu normally wants to use ext3
[06:07] <jim> ok FC is ext3 so I guess I'll just back it all up and delete it. Yikes!,
[06:09] <jim> keep hearing rave reviews about kubuntu so figure I'll see what all the hype is about. I wonder if I can copy my home directory back to Kubuntu?
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> back it up? :) heh..
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> The next release of Kubuntu is in beta testing right now. due out in like 3 weeks.
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> shareing Home dirs is doable.. BUT ive had issues with kde and gnome settings in the past.
[06:11] <jim> ya all those dot files could be messy
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> for a while gnome and kde both were having 'issues' with config files from earlier releases/homedirs on my box's
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> had to whipe out a few .kde conf ig dirs in the past. dosent seem tobe as much of an issue these days
[06:12] <jim> is it easy to upgrade from present kubuntu to beta when it is released ie. is it just an apt or yum command?
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> apt-get update :)
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> !upgrade
[06:12] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> fairly easy.
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> but I perfer to do clean reinstalls. (since its just me on this box)
[06:13] <joez> !upgrade
[06:13] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> factoids need upgraded soon. :)
[06:14] <jim> It would be nice if someone wrote some scripts to upgrade from Fedora to Ubuntu, I'm sure there are a lot of people moving that way.
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a huge nightmare. :)
[06:14] <holycow> the script is something like this actually:
[06:14] <Dr_Willis>  put /home on its own partition/drive...  keep it safe.. reinstall rest of teh OS.
[06:15] <holycow> burn installer cd, put in cd tray, reboot
[06:15] <holycow> :)
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> users might never notice.
[06:15] <hydrogen> yes
[06:15] <hydrogen> that owuld be the only choice
[06:17] <jim> I'm asuming then that I put the install CD in and it will tell me what it sees before I have to commit to something? ie. it won't just start installing right?
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> I will be the first to admit that the  eye candy in Compiz, puts vista to shame. :)
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> jim live cd - a desktop cd. + installer button. :)
[06:18] <jim> ok downloading via torrent now.
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> alternative cd - starts asking Q's
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> you 'might' want to just go with the beta... if you are brave. :)
[06:20] <jim> but the desktop cd will at least tell me what it finds and ask me what I want to commit to . Installer button doesn't just start installing does it?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> of coruse not.
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> theres a huge long wizard :0
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> this isent windows. :)
[06:21] <jim> ok thanks a lot, just double checking to remove an oops factor..
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:23] <jim>  : ) .
[06:26] <jim> off the top of your head can you think of anything other than my home directory that I may want to save to move into Kubuntu from FC6? I've downloaded a lot of programs on FC6 but I assume I'll find them all in Kubuntu repos..
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> samba config if you use samba..
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> vmware machines..
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> depends on what you do really.
[06:27] <intelikey> xorg.conf is it's special...    network configs if they are special...
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> its good to keep backups of your xorg.conf - but it seems the different disrtos are doing a lot of varity in whats in xorg.conf tghese days..
[06:28] <jim> ok none of that , ya thats not a fair question. Oh ya xorg.conf good idea : )
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> little things - font paths and so forth. often are radicially different.
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> but a xorg.conf backup has saved my backside on many a day
[06:29] <intelikey> that's pretty much every thing...    just special configs if any and  /homw
[06:29] <intelikey> homw ???  heh   home maybe.
[06:30] <jim> ok thank you. You've been super helpful. Hopefully I'll be a happy Kubuntu user soon : )
[06:30] <jcs7778> Is there a way to change the look of the kmenu, ive been looking through the systme settings dialogue and there don't seem to be any options, also I have found almonst nothing useful form various google searches
[06:30] <intelikey> you'll probably be a kubuntu user.  happy is not dictated by distro...
[06:31] <intelikey> jcs7778 right click the [K]   and configure it
[06:32] <ManiDhillon> I'm in a problem, Its regarding MIME TYPES.
[06:32] <ManiDhillon> Can anyone help me?
[06:33] <jcs7778> intelikey: that only lets me change where things are not the look and feel, I am trying to change the general theme of the kmenu not the position of various things in the kmenu
[06:34] <ManiDhillon> Whenever i click on any application to launch it, before launchinh it display a ERROR message that Could not find MIME type application/octet-stream
[06:34] <hatter> i am on feisty and cant build the nvidia propietary module
[06:34] <ManiDhillon> PLEASE help me!
[06:34] <Dr_Willis>  Night all.,
[06:34] <hatter> i have the sources and the 97 series driver from the nvidia website, with an mx440 card
[06:35] <ManiDhillon> ! setting everything to default
[06:35] <hatter> i get the error : /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: not found
[06:35] <hatter> in the nvidia log
[06:35] <hatter> anyone got any clue about this error ?
[06:35] <ManiDhillon> ! default
[06:35] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[06:36] <intelikey> jcs7778 kcontrol theme
[06:38] <Jucato> !kmenu
[06:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:38] <Jucato> bah!
[06:38] <rc-1> how many watts of power does a laptop draw
[06:38] <tzanger> rc-1: depends, about 90 though
[06:38] <rc-1> ah thanks
[06:39] <intelikey> depends on what it's doing.   eye candy is high priced   but not as high as major disk io
[06:42] <GUMMM> i have files in a folder and i want to delete one. how do i do that from the terminal?
[06:42] <intelikey> and major disk io over a network to produce eye candy  == dead battery
[06:42] <tzanger> if the supply's rated for 90W, I don't care what your eye candy's doing or your hard drive, you ain't getting more than that (not for very long, anyway)
[06:42] <ardchoille> GUMMM: rm filename
[06:42] <GUMMM> thanx
[06:43] <intelikey> GUMMM rm /path/to/file.name
[06:43] <intelikey> GUMMM rm reletive/path/to/file.name
[06:45] <intelikey> tzanger the "not for very long"  makes sense.   but you can definitely pull higher than the rating on all (or at least almost all) PSU's
[06:46] <intelikey> just not continuous
[06:48] <level1> hi, how do I turn off the beeping in the virtual terminal?
[06:48] <tzanger> intelikey: I am an industrial power electronics engineer...  trust me, I know :-)
[06:49] <intelikey> level1 modprobe -r pcspeeker
[06:49] <tzanger> there's continuous ratings, peak ratings, duty cycle, ambient temp, cooling method and other factors :-)
[06:49] <intelikey> tzanger prezactly.
[06:49] <level1> intelikey: doesn't that turn off all sounds, like amarok and stuff?
[06:49] <tzanger> prezactly hahaa
[06:50] <intelikey> level1 no.  only turns off the beep in console
[06:50] <level1> intelikey: how can I disable it perminately?
[06:50] <intelikey> level1 there is another way.   man bash for the specifics on it.
[06:51] <intelikey> level1 you could blacklist the module   or setup /etc/inputrc  with the correct setting    as i said man bash for that
[06:51] <level1> intelikey: its not in man bash
[06:51] <intelikey> i think it is.
[06:52] <level1> intelikey: do you see it somewhere? because I can't find it
[06:53] <level1> how do I blacklist the module?
[06:53] <intelikey> i'll install man-db and look   but i'm pretty sure it's there.
[06:53] <intelikey> level1 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[06:55] <intelikey> level1 in man bash under "readline veriables"   section   bell-style
[06:56] <level1> okay, thanks
[06:56] <intelikey> maybe other ways too
[06:58] <intelikey> level1 you may want to look at  "show-all-if-*"   in man bash also
[06:59] <intelikey> i actually prefer the system bell be usable, just not hear it each time in hit the tab key
[06:59] <level1> intelikey: anyway, neither gutsy nor feisty will boot into anything besides fglrx... debian worked with vesa, but ati rejects my card
[07:00] <level1> intelikey: is there a way to tell ati: "screw you, shut up, and boot X anyway"?
[07:00] <intelikey> level1 eeek   ati and ubuntu  in my exp. are not on speeking terms.
[07:00] <level1> intelikey: I meant ati the driver, not ati the company
[07:01] <level1> intelikey: is there another driver that might work on my card?  mobility X1400?
[07:02] <intelikey> level1 not usless you can use a generic driver of some kind there isn't.    vga(which you don't want)  vesa(which you can't use) or ati which is probably the propritary driver.
[07:02] <level1> intelikey: is there a driver called radeon?
[07:03] <level1> intelikey: I'd consider using vga at this point, fglrx is going to cause my computer to burn up, its overheating
[07:03] <intelikey> if fbcon is working you could kernel frame buffering as an X driver   but that will most likely really hose things if you drop out of x for any reason
[07:04] <level1> intelikey: hmmm... well, from the sound of it, I think I'll just go back to debian
[07:05] <intelikey> use what works for you man.
[07:05] <level1> intelikey: I was hoping that there was something that would fix it, like changing some of the options in xorg.conf
[07:06] <level1> intelikey: was gutsy supposed to have bullet proof X?
[07:06] <intelikey> it's not released yet.
[07:06] <intelikey> it's "beta"
[07:07] <level1> intelikey: I'm running it now, I thought it would fix some of my problems
[07:07] <intelikey> you can ask about it in #ubuntu+1
[07:07] <level1> intelikey: and I for sure don't have bullet proof X
[07:08] <twylight> hey
[07:08] <intelikey> yeah i have mentioned several times in here that "not all hardware can use VESA vidio"  but no one listens to me.   i'm just that ranting lunatic
[07:08] <twylight> that's why we love you
[07:09] <intelikey> tyu
[07:09] <intelikey> -u
[07:09] <twylight> I'm looking for a halfway decent ORPG
[07:09] <twylight> not daimonin
[07:09] <intelikey> falcons eye ?
[07:10] <twylight> let me restate what I want
[07:10] <twylight> an online role playing game
[07:10] <intelikey> not sure that qualifies as "half way" ...
[07:10] <twylight> graphical
[07:10] <twylight> with other people
[07:11] <intelikey> graphic and rpg in one breath ???
[07:11] <twylight> something worth playing at 3:00 AM when I've got insomnia
[07:11] <intelikey> wesnoth ?
[07:11] <MasterShrek> how can i get rid of strigi? its totally kicking my computer's ass
[07:12] <intelikey> not really rpg i dont guess
[07:12] <twylight> remember first star online?
[07:12] <twylight> something like that
[07:12] <intelikey> actually.  no.   i'm not a gamer.
[07:12] <intelikey> !tome
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <intelikey> !game
[07:12] <RurouniJonezZzZ> Does Eve Online have a linux client yet?
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about game - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <intelikey> dumb bot.
[07:13] <NickPresta> MasterShrek, nethack. It's good at 3am and 3pm :)
[07:13] <MasterShrek> NickPresta, ?
[07:13] <twylight> nethack is not an online game
[07:13] <intelikey> NickPresta graphical ?
[07:13] <ardchoille> twylight: bzflag ?
[07:14] <NickPresta> you can use the QT interface if you want although I prefer the text-based version
[07:14] <twylight> I hate shooting down suggestions
[07:14] <twylight> bzflag isn't an RPG
[07:14] <MasterShrek> sudo apt-get remove strigi-daemon...duh
[07:14] <ardchoille> Ah, true
[07:15] <intelikey> you already shot mine down and i only give one
[07:15] <intelikey> or two
[07:15] <ardchoille> MasterShrek: Sounds like Gutsy
[07:15] <intelikey> maybe fifty seven   but no more
[07:15] <NickPresta> twylight, I don't know of any MMPORGs that are good. I've only played WoW and Guild Wars
[07:15] <twylight> >.>
[07:15] <twylight> this is frustrating
[07:16] <MasterShrek> ardchoille, yea it is, i guess i didnt think about the fact that strigi wasnt in feisty
[07:16] <twylight> and yet, this is why sourceforge exists
[07:16] <twylight> for people like me to MAKE software that doesn't exist yet
[07:16] <ardchoille> MasterShrek: Maybe join #ubuntu+1 ?
[07:16] <twylight> however I can't code
[07:16] <MasterShrek> ardchoille, im in there too, i figured it out myself tho =D
[07:16] <intelikey> twylight xml ?
[07:16] <ardchoille> twylight: http://www.happypenguin.org/
[07:17] <NickPresta> twylight, there's a whole world of out there that is free of charge and open source. Any missing features are your fault ;)
[07:17] <intelikey> gametome.org   i think is another source.
[07:18] <twylight> you guys are awesome
[07:18] <intelikey> is another source i think ?   which is propper grammer ?
[07:18] <twylight> thanks ^_^
[07:18] <twylight> in soviet russia, another source is YOU!!
[07:18] <ardchoille> intelikey: Proper grammar on irc? Surely you jest.
[07:18] <intelikey> indeed
[07:19] <intelikey> but i really don't know which is correct english so i asked ?
[07:19] <intelikey> neither maybe.
[07:20] <intelikey> this language starts on the wrong side of the page anyway.
[07:20] <NickPresta> haha
[07:21] <NickPresta> English is like Perl. Too many ways to do one thing and it looks confusing as hell to someone trying to learn the syntax ;)
[07:21] <intelikey> true dat
[07:23] <NickPresta> twylight, what do you see?
[07:24] <twylight> none of this is real
[07:24] <twylight> I see the code
[07:24] <twylight> I am the one!
[07:24] <twylight> :P
[07:24] <NickPresta> haha
[07:24] <arvin2212> hi guys
[07:24] <intelikey> arvin2212
[07:24] <arvin2212> :D
[07:25] <arvin2212> hmm...actually im using ubuntu
[07:25] <arvin2212> i was using kubuntu yesterday
[07:25] <arvin2212> but something went horribly wrong so i had to use ubuntu
[07:25] <arvin2212> :D
[07:25] <arvin2212> hmm
[07:25] <twylight> the word "palindrome" should be a palindrome
[07:25] <intelikey> the #ubuntu channel is ---------->
[07:25] <arvin2212> yes i know im there as well
[07:25] <arvin2212> :
[07:25] <arvin2212> :D
[07:25] <intelikey> !enter
[07:25] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:26] <twylight> D: but you're not using kubuntu
[07:26] <intelikey> not asking support questions either   so it hardly matters...
[07:26] <arvin2212> just want to ask u guys.. im having an ati x550 graphic card. Planning to install compiz but when i update my card, i cant run the desktop effects menu...any solutions for that?
[07:27] <arvin2212> :F
[07:27] <intelikey> the #ubuntu channel is ---------->
[07:27] <arvin2212> ok..
[07:27] <intelikey> not trying to just brush you off
[07:27] <arvin2212> heh
[07:27] <arvin2212> no proem
[07:27] <arvin2212> problem*
[07:27] <intelikey> just that the answers that we would give are probably kde specific
[07:28] <arvin2212> just wanted to see if anyone here have encountered the same problem
[07:28] <intelikey> polls ?
[07:29] <rathel> In Ktorrent how do I check if I have full connection?
[07:29] <intelikey> show of hands,  how many hate polls   (or pools, which ever you like)
[07:29] <intelikey> see everyone else hates them too
[07:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> or does everyone love them?
[07:30] <intelikey> Daisuke-Laptop well there's your answer...  :)
[07:30] <Daisuke-Laptop> very paradoxical of you
[07:30] <intelikey> ty
[07:30] <Daisuke-Laptop> paradoxical?  is that a word?
[07:30] <twylight> yes it is
[07:31] <twylight> my back hurts
[07:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> did i use it right?
[07:31] <intelikey> yes
[07:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> wow
[07:31] <intelikey> more or less.
[07:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> 1:30 in the morning and i didn't completely eff up :D
[07:32] <intelikey> like    less is more than more, cause more is less than less   <<<
[07:32] <eMaX> hi all
[07:33] <twylight> any furries in here?
[07:33] <intelikey> eMaX
[07:33] <twylight> furries are awesome
[07:33] <eMaX> how can I get rid of the "device discovery" windows that pop up whenever a new bluetooth device walks by my laptop - at the same time not switching off bluetooth altogether as I use it myself
[07:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> !offtopic |  For Bob's sake, please
[07:33] <ubotu> For Bob's sake, please: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> i wanted to say "eww"
[07:33] <intelikey> :)
[07:34] <intelikey> eMaX i have no idea.    sorry.    but be patient, maybe someone else does.
[07:36] <eMaX> hr
[07:36] <eMaX> tnx
[07:39] <intelikey> hmmm, to bob?
[07:40] <pramod> hello guys...
[07:40] <intelikey> pramod
[07:40] <pramod> i need to install mp3 support for my kubuntu... anyone knows how to do it?
[07:42] <pramod> when i try to play an mp3 file... it tells me there is no mp3 support... :(
[07:42] <pramod> help me anyone..
[07:42] <Pramod> anybody there?
[07:42] <intelikey> !mp3
[07:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:42] <Jucato> Pramod: install libxine-extracodecs
[07:43] <Pramod> okie thanx brothers...
[07:43] <Pramod> and anyone knows about jBaci here?
[07:44] <intelikey> !i
[07:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <dsmith> whats a good wireless card to use, since I have broadcom in this laptop?
[07:45] <intelikey> check the supported hardware page
[07:45] <dsmith> :P
[07:45] <intelikey> !hardware
[07:45] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[07:46] <Pramod> jBaci is a concurrent programming simulator... made in java
[07:46] <intelikey> thus the preceeding "j" in it's name...
[07:46] <Pramod> and yes... i use panda3d... it tell me to use hardware accelerated driver... u know where can i get one?
[07:47] <intelikey> !nv
[07:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:49] <Pramod> okie
[07:50] <intelikey> i'm not an okie,  i'm an arkie
[07:50] <intelikey> well no i'm not that eithere
[07:50] <intelikey> but anyway
[07:50] <dsmith> I have a Netgear card at home I'll try that
[07:50] <dsmith> Broadcom = too much work
[07:51] <intelikey> heard that some place     heh.   thought   "like there is a differance ???"
[07:51] <NickPresta> Goodnight #kubuntu!
[07:52] <intelikey> Jucato that may be my problem,  i haven't taken any meds.      not in 12 years now.
[07:52] <Jucato> no wonder...
[07:53] <intelikey> well you'd think it would have worked it's way out of my drug streem by now.....
[07:53] <intelikey> err blood.
[07:53] <Jucato> :P
[07:53] <intelikey> which ever you have...
[07:53] <intelikey> :)
[07:54] <Jucato> neither
[07:55] <intelikey> wait.  i lied.    i took two asprines   about 7 years ago,   just remembered that.        </blushes>
[07:56] <intelikey> seriously i think that's all.
[07:56] <Jucato> heh
[07:58] <intelikey> iostream goes into toilet Jucato     shhewwy
[07:58] <Jucato> O.o
[07:59] <intelikey> input output stream ...   never mind.
[08:08] <killermach> where do I download gutsy? all I find is 7.04 fiesty?
[08:09] <intelikey> !gutsy
[08:09] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[08:11] <Jucato> killermach: gutsy is currently still in beta, you can get or upgrade to gutsy, follow the instructions from http://kubuntu.org
[08:11] <killermach> found it thanks https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[08:12] <notv> do you think it will be relatively stable by the 18th?
[08:12] <Daisuke-Laptop> i'm sure
[08:12] <intelikey> so what new things can we expect in 8.4  or is 8.4 an LTS   i.e 8.6 ???
[08:12] <Jucato> notv: it's supposed to be released on the 18th
[08:12] <Daisuke-Laptop> bear in mind this is google-style beta, not microsoft-style beta
[08:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> 8.04 is LTS
[08:13] <Jucato> not even kde-style-beta :P
[08:14] <intelikey> Daisuke-Laptop hmmm   ok.   so it could be delaied like dapper was.    depending on the development     right.
[08:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> i've been running gutsy since a week or so after tribe 5, and i haven't had any issues with it
[08:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> it could, but pretty unlikely
[08:14] <intelikey> wasn't likely with dapper either.   but happened
[08:15] <Daisuke-Laptop> part of that could also be attributed to the fact that dapper was an LTS release
[08:15] <intelikey> i wonder if any one has fixed the bug in ucf (dapper) yet ?
[08:15] <notv> what does LTS stand for
[08:15] <Daisuke-Laptop> long-term support
[08:15] <intelikey> !lts
[08:15] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[08:15] <holycow> !kde4
[08:15] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[08:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> whereas standard releases are only supported for 18 months
[08:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> which means as of the 8.04 release, i can officially start ignoring anyone using edgy :D
[08:16] <notv> i couldnt get the ati card on my laptop to work well with feisty
[08:16] <intelikey> Daisuke-Laptop you mean you haven't already ?
[08:16] <notv> i hope ill have better luck with gutsy
[08:17] <Daisuke-Laptop> intelikey: i try not to
[08:17] <intelikey> well may bob bless you.
[08:17] <holycow> is there a way to try kde4 on ubuntu without hosing kubuntu settings?
[08:18] <intelikey> but you can't ignore dapper Q's for another 3.5 years   heh
[08:18] <Daisuke-Laptop> only for server
[08:18] <notv> what about breezy
[08:18] <notv> how long was that supported
[08:18] <Daisuke-Laptop> breezy's already EOLed
[08:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> i think it stopped last october
[08:19] <intelikey> notv dapper was the first LTS
[08:19] <notv> i see
[08:19] <holycow> dapper has been an excellent release for us
[08:20] <holycow> from a user perspective
[08:20] <intelikey> ;/
[08:20] <holycow> hopefully the next one will as high quality release too
[08:20] <intelikey> hopefully much higher.
[08:20] <holycow> that too
[08:20] <holycow> we bought canonical support but used it only once
[08:21] <holycow> but we will keep on buying support ... one never knkows
[08:21] <Daisuke-Laptop> holycow: if you're still using dapper, you've completely missed a year and a half of inprovements to the operating system
[08:21] <holycow> *rolls eyes*
[08:21] <holycow> your talking to someone who has 200+ workstations to look after at work
[08:21] <intelikey> *smiles*
[08:21] <holycow> please don't talk to me about what i'm missing
[08:21] <Daisuke-Laptop> a pleasant attitude, that's what you're missing.
[08:21] <notv> what are they used for?
[08:21] <Daisuke-Laptop> but anyhow
[08:22] <holycow> thank you captain obvious
[08:22] <holycow> notv: just regular word processing
[08:22] <Firefishe> Does anyone here use a blackberry 8830 from Verizon and connect with it using kubuntu?
[08:22] <intelikey> didn't know rank was present.
[08:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> things have improved greatly since dapper's release in all areas of the OS.
[08:23] <holycow> you haven't run a corporate network before have you?
[08:23] <intelikey> Daisuke-Laptop how is the console improved ?
[08:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> i'm not telling you to switch everything over
[08:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> intelikey: most aspects.
[08:23] <holycow> your not exactly a) giving me new information considering we have a testing lab
[08:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> you're
[08:24] <holycow> and b) in large deployments stability trumps features
[08:24] <holycow> and of course, also ...
[08:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> yes, dapper is stable
[08:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> but it's not that great of a release
[08:24] <holycow> c) ubuntu releases are faaaaaaaaaaar to quick
[08:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> holycow: that's your opinion
[08:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> if you don't like it, don't use it
[08:24] <killermach> the release announcement for "version Upgrade" says "welcome to 6.10"
[08:24] <intelikey> holycow even in one user boxes  stability trumps new *     imo.
[08:25] <holycow> of far too shitty quality to actually let a sys admin just rely on a dist upgrade
[08:25] <Daisuke-Laptop> !language
[08:25] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:25] <killermach> what did I do wrong..  Whats the version number of knetworkmanager? http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/kde/knetworkmanager
[08:32] <intelikey> Package: knetworkmanager (1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5)
[08:33] <osh_> intelikey: Yeah, what's the version? 1? 0.2? 1-0? 5?
[08:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> 0.2
[08:33] <intelikey> oh Hobbsee and  rob  just joined,   i guess yall will streighten up now...
[08:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:34] <rob> boo!
[08:34] <osh_> I'm sure it makes sense to someone but it's just confusing to me.
[08:34] <npurciful> hello
[08:34] <kkathman> nah I never straighten up
[08:34] <osh_> Daisuke-Laptop: Ah. The number after the : is the version then? Is that true for all packages?
[08:35] <intelikey> osh_ i'm assuming that  that is the version.    (1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5)   but i don't know.    they can use any char in the version string they want
[08:35] <npurciful> man i am stumped, i am trying to make a script to check for mp3 then see if a ogg exists, this cant be that hard but i have spent 4hour trying to figure it out
[08:35] <killermach> gusty upgrade in progress. time to logout
[08:37] <osh_> npurciful: Doesn't seem hard. What are you trying to do?
[08:38] <intelikey> npurciful give a little more info and i'm sure someone can help with it.
[08:38] <osh_> intelikey: The version numbereing is sligthly confusing don't you agree? What's with the 2 ubuntus in there? It probably means something but it isn't obvious for someone who hasn't seen it before.
[08:39] <npurciful> osh_: resurse mp3 directory and check to see if a ogg of the same name exist in same directory
[08:40] <intelikey> osh_ i've seen it lots.  but have no idea why they do that.    basicly the second ubuntu# gets changed with patches   but the main version  with releases
[08:40] <npurciful> then if it exist delete mp3
[08:40] <npurciful> I am converting my mp3 collection to ogg
[08:41] <Daisuke-Laptop> admirable
[08:41] <Daisuke-Laptop> but a bad idea
[08:41] <Daisuke-Laptop> go from source wherever possible
[08:41] <Daisuke-Laptop> (rip to ogg)
[08:42] <npurciful> i did, but some of my collection the orginal are scratch bad and cant
[08:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> because transcoding from mp3 to ogg causes what you'll probably find to be unacceptable sound quality :\
[08:42] <npurciful> yes that is a concern
[08:43] <intelikey> npurciful find /base/dir/ -type f -iname '*.mp3' | while read Q ;do [ -f "`echo "$Q" | sed s/\.mp3/\.ogg/`" ]  && rm "$Q" ;done
[08:43] <intelikey> test it some place safe,  i make no promices.
[08:43] <kkathman> man that looks like greek
[08:43] <kkathman> lol
[08:43] <osh_> intelikey: you beat me to it.
[08:43] <intelikey> no it's   geek
[08:44] <kkathman> well I was trying to be nice
[08:44] <intelikey> osh_ sorry.  next time type faster.
[08:44] <osh_> intelikey: or think faster... :-)
[08:44] <npurciful> thanks
[08:44] <kkathman> or just be quiet and HE looks like the geek :)
[08:44] <intelikey> kkathman actually it's simple shell grammer,   i write lots of shell scripts.
[08:44] <holycow> npurciful: Daisuke-Laptopis correct, if you can try rip from source otherwise your loosing data
[08:45] <kkathman> me no writey the scripty much
[08:45] <kkathman> I prefer higher levels of programming - have done WAY too much assembler and lower in  my life
[08:46] <kkathman> shell reminds me too much of assembler lol
[08:46] <intelikey> i wrote that in one line,  so you don't even need to make a script out of it to test it.     but do interpret "/pase/dir/"
[08:46] <intelikey> base/dir even.
[08:47] <kkathman> gremlins
[08:48] <intelikey> npurciful find /base/dir/ -type f -iname '*.mp3' | while read Q ;do [ -f "`echo "$Q" | sed s/\.mp3/\.ogg/`" ]  && echo "rm \"$Q\"" ;done    <<< by using that you can test what it will do, without it doing anything.
[08:49] <npurciful> script worked
[08:49] <intelikey> of course it worked,    only question is "did it work correctly"    :)))\
[08:50] <npurciful> that is why i have reduntant backups
[08:50] <intelikey> npurciful :)
[08:51] <intelikey> npurciful  also when someone in irc gives a multi-command string  and you are putting it in a script    you can convert each single  ;  into a newline.  thus making the script much more readable.
[08:51] <kkathman> what upgrade provided a broken xorg?
[08:51] <intelikey> npurciful  ; && || &    are all command seperators.
[08:52] <intelikey> they do each function somewhat differently though.  not exactly interchangable
[08:52] <npurciful> i just dont know about this ogg thing though i know there would be loss when converting to ogg
[08:53] <intelikey> no,  doesn't need to be.
[08:53] <npurciful> oh crap all my song that are convert are 1second short
[08:53] <intelikey> ogg can be loss less
[08:53] <intelikey> npurciful eeek.  that's not good.
[08:53] <intelikey> what did you use to convert them ?
[08:53] <npurciful> hum
[08:53] <npurciful> audiokonv
[08:53] <intelikey> mp32ogg
[08:54] <npurciful> okay
[08:54] <intelikey> !find mp32ogg
[08:54] <intelikey> !info vorbis-tools
[08:54] <ubotu> Found: mp32ogg
[08:54] <ubotu> vorbis-tools: several Ogg Vorbis tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.1-6build1 (feisty), package size 98 kB, installed size 732 kB
[08:54] <intelikey> that's the command and the package you find it in.
[08:55] <npurciful> okay
[08:55] <intelikey> can be used in a script to convert them.   man mp32ogg   has the specifics on how to use.  and the same syntax i gave for finding the files can easily be converted to do the converting.
[08:57] <intelikey> i think i made a script for that one time.  i'll see if i still have it.   something like    convert-mp3.sh base/dir/name     was the simple syntax for it.   and it made .oggs out of all mp3's.
[08:57] <intelikey> hmm not on this box.... checking another.
[08:58] <intelikey> no can't find it.  but if you can't figure it out just give a yell and i'll drop you another line.
[08:59] <intelikey> npurciful and  #bash   is a wonderful place to find help with shell scripts.      when me or stdin are not here.
[09:01] <intelikey> or you could use audacity to convert them.   but that's a little like using a jack hammer to drive a thumb tack
[09:01] <npurciful> okay
[09:03] <npurciful> i will use find w/ exec
[09:03] <kkathman> what would be the command you put in the konq browser to look at all computers on a network??
[09:03] <kkathman> if Im using smb?
[09:03] <intelikey> works but you can't string commands inside of find can you ?     i never got it to work right...
[09:04] <kkathman> I know in ubuntu you can put network:// and its bring sup everything on the network
[09:04] <kkathman> but is there nothing in Konq?
[09:04] <intelikey> kkathman why not in konqueror ?
[09:04] <intelikey> oh.
[09:04] <npurciful> i dont know maybe you cant
[09:04] <stdin> kkathman: smb:/
[09:04] <intelikey> three slashes.
[09:04] <kkathman> doesnt work
[09:05] <kkathman> well smb works but it gives it by share - instead of by box
[09:05] <kkathman> oh wait its doesnt
[09:06] <kkathman> it just does a Locate on smb
[09:06] <danny500> #ubuntu
[09:06] <kkathman> ahhh its smb:///
[09:07] <intelikey> didn't i say that ?
[09:07] <kkathman> but it only brings up the windows networks :( not the other 2 linux boxes I have :(
[09:07] <intelikey> picky picky....
[09:07] <intelikey> :)
[09:07] <kkathman> yeah but it doesnt include the linux boes
[09:07] <kkathman> :(
[09:07] <stdin> smb:/  shows me the workgroups, then the servers, then the shares
[09:07] <stdin> including linux samba servers
[09:07] <kkathman> rught
[09:07] <intelikey> sorry.  you have exhosted my database
[09:08] <kkathman> nope doesnt show the linux ones
[09:08] <kkathman> but nautilus does
[09:08] <kkathman> odd
[09:08] <kkathman> ahhh I see what happend
[09:09] <kkathman> heh
[09:09] <kkathman> funny
[09:09] <presto101> anyone care to chat for a sec about kubuntu and kde
[09:09] <kkathman> I need to change the linux boxes' workgroup :)
[09:09] <intelikey> presto101 general chatter   in  #kubuntu-offtopic     support in here
[09:10] <intelikey> or general chatter in here until stdin gets tired of it.
[09:10] <presto101> im new to linux and ive only really worked a bit with gnome
[09:10] <presto101> oh ok sorry
[09:11] <intelikey> presto101 if it's questions about the system  just ask in here
[09:11] <presto101> shall i leave or stay
[09:11] <intelikey> yes
[09:11] <intelikey> :)
[09:11] <intelikey> stay.  he'll tell you if it's time to move on.
[09:12] <presto101> im familiar with gnome not so much with kde what are kde's strengths
[09:12] <intelikey> right click everything
[09:12] <Daisuke-Laptop> presto101: are you familiar with the image comparing the remote control for men with the remote control for women?
[09:12] <stdin> it's extremely configurable
[09:12] <presto101> ah good analogy daisuke-laptop
[09:13] <intelikey> xsreemly
[09:13] <npurciful> find -iname *.mp3 -exec \mp32ogg --quality=10 --verbose {} \; output ogg is still 1second sort
[09:14] <presto101> i just wanted to explore as i get familiar with linux to find for me the right enviroment
[09:14] <npurciful> hum