[01:26] <commiemuslim> Is there support for UT without any android driver blobs? Or is it based on running Android in a container?


[00:03] <thetrav> https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/configure.html seems to be outdated
[00:03] <thetrav> unknown command local_config_set
[00:04] <thetrav> I want to secure my maas controller with https
[00:04] <thetrav> for some strange reason people object to entering passwords into a form posted over http
[00:31] <thetrav> so I got apache to handle https://maas-region/MAAS  however whatever serves that redirects to http://maas-region/MAAS/accounts/login  what's doing the serving and how to tell it to do it better?
[02:11] <mup> Bug #1527021 opened: probe-and-enlist-hardware should work for AMT <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527021>
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1527021 changed: probe-and-enlist-hardware should work for AMT <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527021>
[16:20] <mup> Bug #1527021 opened: probe-and-enlist-hardware should work for AMT <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527021>
[16:26] <mup> Bug #1527021 changed: probe-and-enlist-hardware should work for AMT <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527021>


[12:32] <kwwii> time for bed
[12:32] <kwwii> night all
[01:57] <jjesse> mornfall: ping?
[01:59] <jjesse> i see that Add/Remove Programs does not support managing repositories, will it?
[02:06] <robotgeek> jjesse: i asked him yesterday, he said no
[02:06] <robotgeek> not until v 2.0
[02:07] <jjesse> gack, trying to explain when to use add/remove programs and when to use adept
[02:07] <robotgeek> jjesse: :)
[02:16] <jjesse> what is the license on mp3 playback? example libxine-extracodecs
[02:18] <mornfall> jjesse: hmm?
[02:18] <jjesse> mornfall: will i be able to manage repositores from add/remove programs?
[02:18] <mornfall> jjesse: i think robotgeek already asked
[02:19] <mornfall> jjesse: answer is no, we are deep in feature freeze -- it's not possible now so it won't be
[02:19] <jjesse> mornfall: ok, i'm just tyring to figure out how to explain when to use adept and when to use add/remove progrmas
[02:19] <mornfall> jjesse: (adding a menu entry to be able to call the current adept repo manager could do -- but the repo manager is far from intuitive, i'm afraid)
[02:20] <jjesse> mornfall: so if you were writing a book for new users how would you recomend managing the repos?
[02:20] <jjesse> editing the file sources.list?
[02:20] <mornfall> jjesse: the adept manager works when you have docs
[02:20] <mornfall> jjesse: it's not intuitive => hard to use *without* docs
[02:20] <mornfall> jjesse: if it's documented, it shouldn't be hard
[02:21] <mornfall> jjesse: most of what you do is: 1) enable/disable repos that are already there (context menu on deb lines) 2) add new repos by cut&paste
[02:22] <jjesse> mornfall: that is what i mention just thinking out loud i guess
[02:22] <mornfall> jjesse: the latter may be even intuitive, the former needs the user to right-click the right line
[02:22] <mornfall> jjesse: i'll redo the interface after dapper
[02:22] <mornfall> jjesse: (the repo management one)
[02:23] <mornfall> other than that, i'll go and sleep now
[02:23] <mornfall> got to get up early
[02:23] <mornfall> night
[02:23] <jjesse> mornfall: thanks for responding have a good night
[03:25] <allee> maybe someone feel like testing http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/digikam_0.8.1+0.8.2-beta1-0_i386.deb, built from not yet annouced http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/src-only/digikam-0.8.2-beta1.tar.bz2.  (Debian dir at pkg-kde alioth repo)
[09:16] <verwilst> hi
[09:16] <verwilst> could yakuake be upgraded?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> hey verwilst
[09:16] <verwilst> the current version always crashes on exit
[09:17] <verwilst> hi Hobbsee
[09:22] <freeflying> verwilst: you'd ask for UVFe
[09:22] <verwilst> yip
[09:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:32] <Hobbsee> that's even worse than what ended up happening with me yesterday!
[09:33] <verwilst> wgat's that?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> just joins and parts - adn 3 clones - repeatedly, for around 5 mins
[09:33] <Hobbsee> not as long as enfact_'s though
[09:35] <verwilst> :)
[11:12] <freeflying> there will be a distro based upon kubuntu dapper by the creator of mandrake
[11:12] <Lathiat> wasnt april 1st a week ago now? :)
[11:13] <freeflying> Lathiat: no , I have confirmed it
[11:13] <freeflying> I'm basing the first release of Ulteo on latest Kubuntu (6.0x). Using
[11:13] <freeflying> either Knoppix installer or Espresso (no standard install).
[11:14] <freeflying> Gal.
[11:14] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[11:27] <Riddell> freeflying: yeah, I'm in contact with Gael
[11:28] <freeflying> Riddell: as qt is upgrade to 3.3.6, so need scim-qtimm recompile against it
[11:39] <Riddell> freeflying: ok, anything else or just scim-qtimm?
[11:40] <Tm_T> :)
[11:40] <Tm_T> nice flood
[11:41] <freeflying> Riddell: i meet some crashes with konqueror and kopete , all about libqscim.so
[12:33] <hendry> Riddell: I can't get skim going :
[12:35] <Riddell> hendry: maybe because scim-qtimm needs recompiled
[12:35] <hunger> Anyone adapted the koffice RC to the new mysql already?
[12:35] <Riddell> hendry: no, but koffice final will be out soon enough
[12:36] <hunger> Riddell: Will that end up in universe or in some of the more obscure repositories?
[12:38] <Riddell> hunger: same as the RCs I'll put them on kubuntu.org and if it's stable I'll ask for an upstream version freeze exception
[12:38] <hunger> Riddell: I keep forgetting that deb line:-( Is it documented somewhere?
[12:39] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/announcements
[12:41] <hunger> Riddell: Will koffice-latest work? Then I won't need to keep editing sources.list.
[12:44] <Riddell> hunger: yes
[01:18] <raphink> Sime: are you there?
[03:18] <freeflying> anyone can tell me whom shall I ask for the ubuntu logo's license
[03:21] <Riddell> freeflying: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/
[03:21] <hendry> kdm doesn't depend on x-window-core. charming
[03:22] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[03:24] <raphink> hendry: what was that supposed to mean?
[03:24] <hendry> i apt-get install kdm thinking that it will pull in X
[03:25] <raphink> I don't see why
[03:25] <raphink> if you only put kdm
[03:25] <raphink> you have no window-manager
[03:25] <raphink> hence you don't need X
[03:25] <raphink> installing a window-manager should pull in X rather
[03:27] <raphink> actually ...
[03:28] <raphink> x-window-system-core is installed by either kde or kubuntu-desktop
[03:28] <raphink> hendry: note that's it the same for other DMs
[03:29] <raphink> installing gdm won't have x-window-system-core pulled in
[03:29] <raphink> iirc
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> twinkle twinkle twinkle :-)
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> works great
[05:44] <jeroenvrp> I have the new version 0.6.2
[05:45] <jeroenvrp> in the dapper repo ts 0.4.2
[05:45] <jeroenvrp> any change 0.6.* will become available?
[05:45] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: of what?
[05:45] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: of Twinkle
[05:46] <jeroenvrp> 0.6.2 has kaddressbook-integration
[05:46] <Riddell> never heard of it
[05:46] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: but please do package an update and ask for an UVFe
[05:50] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: sorry I dont know how to package an update yet
[05:50] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: perfect time to learn :)
[05:50] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: seriously, go to #ubuntu-motu and someone will help you through it
[05:50] <Riddell> else poke people in here
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: If I have the time
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> but thanks for your time
[06:07] <jeroenvrp> :_)
[06:26] <kmon> Hi
[06:27] <kmon> amarok1.4 beta conflicts with libmysqlclient15
[06:27] <kmon> anyone else has this behaviour?
[06:28] <Riddell> there's a new libmysql in dapper
[06:30] <kmon> yes
[06:31] <kmon> aptitude reports:
[06:31] <kmon> amarok: Depende: libmysqlclient15 (>= 5.0.15-1) pero no es instalable
[06:32] <danimo> moin
[06:33] <Riddell> kmon: I don't have time to fix it I'm afraid
[06:33] <Riddell> moin danimo
[06:33] <kmon> Riddell: ok
[06:34] <Riddell> kmon: but you can recompile it yourself easy enough
[06:35] <danimo> Riddell: still looking for networkmanager-openvpn plugins
[06:35] <danimo> Riddell: I can't find any arguments on why they haven been included
[06:35] <danimo> haven't
[06:36] <Riddell> danimo: they're part of network manager rather than knetworkmanager yes?
[06:37] <danimo> Riddell: yes, no special rant at you, I am just looking for someone to ask
[06:37] <danimo> Riddell: sorry if it looked like it
[06:37] <Riddell> danimo: dude to ask in that case is keybuk on #ubuntu-devel
[06:37] <Riddell> it didn't look like it, I just didn't know
[06:37] <danimo> ok
[06:37] <danimo> Riddell: thanks
[06:45] <Riddell> ah pef
[06:45] <pef> hello Jonathan
[06:45] <Riddell> jeroenvrp here just had a request for a package update
[06:46] <pef> and the package is ? and what about universe freeze ?
[06:47] <Riddell> twinkle
[06:47] <Riddell> I'm just passing on the message :)
[06:52] <pef> thanks :)
[07:34] <Sime> raphink: pong
[07:35] <raphink> Sime: wow that was fast :)
[07:35] <raphink> how are you?
[07:35] <Sime> yeah ok, running dapper on my 'workstation' now
[07:36] <raphink> Sime: I can't activate dualscreen in the display module
[07:36] <raphink> the box is greyed
[07:37] <Sime> how many screens to you see on the hardware tab?
[07:38] <raphink> just one
[07:40] <Sime> then it hasn't detected that you've got a dualhead machine.
[07:40] <Sime> do you have a dualhead capable machne?
[07:50] <raphink> Sime: yes it's a laptop
[07:50] <raphink> with a screen wire on the side
[07:50] <Sime> yes, but does it support dualhead?
[07:50] <raphink> how do you mean?
[07:51] <Sime> can you have two monitors connected showing two screens? (xinerama)
[07:51] <raphink> I have no idea, but I guess
[07:51] <raphink> so
[07:51] <raphink> well I'd even like to have the same thing on both monitors
[07:52] <raphink> and I can't get that
[07:56] <Sime> have you still got that guidance_report_bug.py program around?
[07:56] <raphink> yse
[07:56] <raphink> yes
[07:57] <raphink> Sime: what's your email again?
[07:57] <Sime><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:58] <Flosoft> hey
[07:59] <Flosoft> after the last update in Kubuntu Dapper amarok doesn't work anymore
[07:59] <Flosoft> it was uninstalled and now I can't get it back
[08:07] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[08:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[08:07] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[08:07] <Tonio_> lut raphinou
[08:08] <raphink> argh les spams MS qui fusent
[08:08] <Tonio_> raphink: tu sais si Riddell a parl du probleme d'antialiasing ?
[08:08] <raphink> nope
[08:08] <Tonio_> c un truc de ouf non ?
[08:08] <raphink> je sais pas
[08:08] <Tonio_> commentle fichier dans le rep de k-d-s peut tre diffrent de celui du packet.........
[08:08] <raphink> j'ai pas suivi
[08:08] <Tonio_> je capte pas......
[08:09] <Tonio_> raphink: simply
[08:09] <Tonio_> whe you boot on the live cd
[08:09] <Tonio_> raphink: what this file : /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals
[08:09] <Tonio_> and compare to the one in the k-d-s package
[08:09] <Tonio_> it is COMPLETLY different
[08:09] <raphink> where does it come from then?
[08:09] <Tonio_> and that's the reason antialiasing doesn't work
[08:10] <Tonio_> raphink: absolutly no idea........
[08:10] <raphink> ok
[08:10] <raphink> this only happens on the live CD though
[08:10] <Tonio_> raphink: and the mose surprusing is that if it came from anyther package, k-d-s should be uninstalable
[08:10] <Tonio_> raphink: I don't think this is only with the live cd
[08:10] <raphink> indeed
[08:10] <Tonio_> Riddell told me he had the problem with a native flight 6 installation
[08:11] <raphink> well if its the live CD, it might have been modified just before the image was done
[08:11] <raphink> ah!
[08:11] <Tonio_> raphink: only Riddell could have the response, since he the only one who really knows how are the isos built
[08:11] <raphink> no
[08:11] <raphink> mithrandir made flight 6 iirc
[08:12] <Tonio_> raphink: and ?
[08:12] <raphink> well he's the one knnowing about this one
[08:12] <Tonio_> raphink: well, maybe that will be different with flight 7
[08:12] <Tonio_> but I doubt......
[08:12] <Tonio_> and why THIS file specificly ?
[08:12] <raphink> no idea
[08:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: ping
[08:39] <Tm_T> or whoever who knows about recent wallpaper amusement
[08:48] <Sime> raphink: do you have an example of a xorg.conf file that works on your machine *and* uses the vga out?
[08:48] <raphink> hmm no
[08:49] <raphink> :(
[08:49] <raphink> I c an't get it to work
[09:00] <Sime> raphink: has it ever worked?
[09:00] <raphink> not on my machine at least Sime
[09:01] <Sime> does anyone here have a laptop and know if having vga out can also be used for a dualhead (xinerama) setup?
[09:05] <klugez> i think most laptop graphic cards don't support anything else than cloning
[09:06] <klugez> at least mine doesn't seem to (not in windows either)
[09:13] <Sime> ok,
[09:35] <kwwii> howdy
[09:35] <kwwii> Riddell: I received a mail from Jane about the Usplash so I took care of that today
[09:40] <Riddell> kwwii: have they chosen a design?
[09:41] <kwwii> Riddell: well, until now I made the simple logo but they wanted to try a glow around it, and the text black (my version had white text but that "breaks the logo")
[09:42] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:42] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/644712
[09:42] <Riddell> kwwii: did you work out any plan for squashing the logo to make it look better with 400 stretched to 480?
[09:42] <Tm_T> whatta
[09:42] <kwwii> Riddell: to be honest, I will simply prescale the thing
[09:43] <kwwii> Riddell: and I really hope that that works well
[09:43] <kwwii> but prescaling a pic with so few colors and such might simply be the worst way to do things
[09:43] <kwwii> I mean, the logo is only 250x65 pixels
[09:43] <kwwii> we'll see....
[09:43] <kwwii> :-)
[09:44] <kwwii> I am trying to be positive about this :-)
[09:44] <Riddell> yeah, I know you an usplash don't always get on so well
[09:45] <Riddell> trouble with scaling it is that on powerpc and the like with real framebuffers it doesn't get scaled
[09:45] <kwwii> exactly, so someone else will have to test it
[09:45] <kwwii> I have three macs at home :-)
[09:50] <kwwii> owning macs is the best way to drastically reduce questions from my wife and son about the computer -the standard answer is "nope, it's a mac"
[10:18] <jjesse>  are there min. specifics someplace for installing kubuntu?
[10:19] <jjesse> both server and desktop version of kubuntu?
[10:33] <Riddell> jjesse: e-mail silbs to see what she's going with
[10:33] <Riddell><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:33] <Riddell> she's on holiday next week though so do it tonight
[10:36] <jjesse> doing it right now thankss
[10:37] <Tonio_> re
[10:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you saw my messages concerning the antialiasing error
[10:37] <Tonio_> ?
[10:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: this morning yes
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: and what do you think about that ? weired isn't it ?
[10:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: the kdegloabs file in /usr/share/k-d-s is the same as in k-d-s package for me
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: with a live cd ?
[10:40] <Riddell> yes
[10:40] <Riddell> what's missing?
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: the content is completly different, let me show you
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/644849
[10:41] <Tonio_> this is the kdeblogals file I have in /usr/share/k-d-s
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I replaced with the one in the package and restarted kde, and antialiasing then works
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: amazing no ? the content is COMPLETLY different
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I thought about that all the day and cannot find any possibility for the file to be modified lie that.......
[10:44] <Riddell> this is what I have http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/644858
[10:44] <Tonio_> this is the file I have on a live flight 6, no update performed, nothing, simply on boot
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: and does antialiasing work for you ?
[10:44] <Riddell> nope
[10:44] <Tonio_> actually
[10:44] <Tonio_> hum........ impossible....... what's that mess ?
[10:45] <Tonio_> how can I get that file ?
[10:45] <Tonio_> in my case, copying the k-d-s file resolved the issue, restarting kde and got antialiased fonts........
[10:46] <robotgeek> Riddell: we are shipping kde 3.5.2 with dapper?
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: rebooting on the live cd to see if I'm crazy or not
[10:46] <Riddell> robotgeek: yes
[10:47] <robotgeek> Riddell: awesome :)
[10:51] <ubuntu> ok
[10:51] <ubuntu> Riddell: I m with the live cd
[10:52] <Tonio-> copy/pasting the kdeglobals file
[10:54] <Tonio-> Riddell: I now got the same file than you.............
[10:54] <Tonio-> I spent 1 hour on this I don t understand.................
[11:01] <Tonio-> Riddell: ok now 5for an unknown reason I see the sa;e than you
[11:01] <Riddell> it's certainly spooky
[11:02] <Tonio-> you may think that I'm crazy, but I'm certain of the file I got yesterday, cause it is a valid kdeglobals file..........
[11:03] <Tonio-> and I never used an opensuse livecd..............
[11:04] <Tonio-> Riddell: the strange point is that antialiasing fonts is checked in systemsettings..............
[11:04] <Tonio-> uncheck and recheck corrects the issue
[11:05] <Riddell> that sets ~/.fonts.conf doesn't it?
[11:05] <Tonio-> but whe I diff .kde after the resolution is applyied, I don't see anything concerning fonts............; that's incredible
[11:05] <Tonio-> Riddell: that rewrites a few things in kdeglobals too
[11:05] <Tonio-> like font settings etc..........
[11:05] <Tonio-> let me diff
[11:07] <Riddell> yes, it sets fonts.conf
[11:08] <Riddell> +[General]
[11:08] <Riddell> +XftHintStyle=hintmedium
[11:08] <Riddell> +XftSubPixel=
[11:08] <Riddell> I don't think those are it, but possible
[11:08] <kmon> Riddell: kopete's gethotnewstuff support is working well here.
[11:10] <Tonio-> Riddell: you're right, removing .fonts.conf recreates the problem for me
[11:10] <Tonio-> no antialiasing here.........;
[11:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: it seems that the .fonts.conf file is the key :)
[11:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: no way to set that with k-d-s, but I can patch kdestart like I did with gtk-qt-engine
[11:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: want to make the test ?
[11:13] <Tonio-> Riddell: but that means kde changed it's way to work on that point, cause fonts.conf file wasn't creating any issue before.........
[11:14] <Riddell> yes, fontconfig hasn't changed
[11:14] <Riddell> it's strange
[11:15] <Tonio-> Riddell: as far as I know, kde was taking  it's font config in kdeglobals before, am I wrong ?
[11:16] <Riddell> well it has always used fontconfig before as well
[11:16] <Tonio-> Riddell: but when ~/.fonts.conf isn't set, where is it supposed to take the font configuration ?
[11:16] <Tonio-> and the antialias setting ?
[11:17] <Riddell> /etc/fonts
[11:18] <Tonio-> Riddell: yes, but as the parameters are in kdeglobals font too, I assume one of the two files is prior
[11:18] <Tonio-> Riddell: priority changed due to a bug in kde 3.5.2 or something ?
[11:19] <Tonio-> I must say I'm a bit lost....
[11:19] <Riddell> I don't see the parameters in kdeglobals
[11:19] <Riddell> only Xfthintstyle
[11:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: which is the level of antialiasing right ?
[11:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: maybe there is a bug which causes kde to read the ~/.fonts.conf file, but ignores the /etc/fonts/fonts.conf one ?
[11:21] <Tonio-> if this file didn't change,  maybe it isn't read at all
[11:22] <Tonio-> Riddell: do you know a way to monitor or log when a file is opened by a process ? could be usefull to monitor the /etc file
[11:22] <Tonio-> I don't know a way to do that with linux, only windows.........
[11:23] <Riddell> strace
[11:23] <Riddell> settings xfthintstyle dosn't make anything antialised
[11:23] <Riddell> /etc/fonts/fonts.conf is read as well, you can copy the parts of ~/.fonts.conf into it and it'll still work
[11:23] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb on my desktop with .fonts.conf removed in my profile
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's *very* strange....
[11:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: what is your desktop installed from?
[11:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: he's a bug you might be interested in :) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/37149
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37149 in meta-kde kde ""Breaking glass" default critical error sound KILLS GRANDMOTHERS!" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[11:38] <Tm_T> =)
[11:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: my desktop is a flight 4 upgraded, with kde 3.5.2
[11:38] <Tm_T> and what's the bug part =)
[11:38] <Tonio_> and it works correctly without any .fonts.conf file
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I don't see any difference in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf....
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: To complicated for me this time :)
[11:39] <Tm_T> again
[11:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: hahaha ;) yes breaking glass is a pain, I will change this
[11:40] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I thought it's meant to cause pain
[11:40] <Tm_T> so user do his best to not to end up having those =)
[11:41] <Tonio_> Tm_T: lol
[11:42] <Tm_T> but yeah, any wallpaper suggestions welcome
[11:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you send me the /etc/fonts directory on your desktop?
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure :)
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: you should have the mail
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the differences in kdeglobals, is appears I switched the ~ and the /usr/share/k-d-s one..........
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: shame on me..... that's why I had that difference....
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to be concentrated with girlfriend at home buging me every 2 seconds hehe :)
[11:53] <Riddell> yep, no difference in font directories
[11:54] <Tm_T> aah, oldschool
[11:54] <Tm_T> http://patti.smurffi.net/vt420.jpg


[00:57] <[thor]> capmtripps: major changes will come in 11.04
[00:58] <[thor]> tubeneck: including a major shift in your panel/window interface
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[15:09]  * genii-around makes some coffee
[15:12]  * hypatia makes tea
[15:15] <genii-around> Apparently I'm getting my hair dyed green during lunch.
[15:20] <hypatia> yay
[15:21] <IdleOne> Good morning
[15:21] <IdleOne> is it Let's get stupid drunk and fall down day again?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> yeah it's st patrick's day , one more excuse to get hammered :)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> genii-around, stay away from "lunch"
[15:25] <genii-around> IdleOne: Apparently :) I'm getting told now that my nails will also be painted green and that i will be kidnapped after work and forced to drink green beer
[15:26] <BluesKaj> genii-around, as long as "they pay"...who cares?  :)
[15:26] <IdleOne> I hope these threats are being made to you by someone who you wish was going to do this to you anyway
[15:28] <genii-around> IdleOne: Heh, yes :)
[15:28] <IdleOne> have fun, be careful, protect yourself at all times :)
[15:29] <IdleOne> Note to self: Self do not go out tonight. Remember the last time you "celebrated" St Patrick's day.
[15:34] <Amgine_> <selects an interesting and time-involving task to avoid much of the Irish-conquered world for the day>
[15:38]  * dscassel is wearing his usual blue jeans and black t-shirt and is a bit of a party-pooper.
[15:49]  * BluesKaj doesn't celebrate st paddy's day , even tho most irish have viking ancestry:)
[15:58] <Amgine_> Will be testing netbook ubuntu; Client is looking at using cheap netbooks as a survey platform for portable web-based surveys. Anyone have suggestions for OS/hardware? Basically, something to run a web browser.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> cheap netbooks , that's an oxymoron , the equivalent priced laptops have many more features and newer HW
[16:01] <Amgine_> $219
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Amgine_, I hate to say this , but that sounds like the new dev chrome OS might be a fit
[16:02] <BluesKaj> Amgine_, where , got a url ?
[16:02] <Amgine_> eeew... but you may be right.
[16:02] <genii-around> Well, lunchtime. See you guys later.
[16:02] <Amgine_> NCIX, if I buy all 100 of them there.
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ok a multi-item discount
[16:03] <Amgine_> Acer Aspire One, D255E. Normally $229.
[16:03] <Amgine_> (I think N455)
[16:04] <Amgine_> Almost as cheap as my scientific calculator way back when...
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Amgine_, amazon.com ..will they sell you directly without using amazon.ca where the price is 100bucks more ...this is the ripoff I'm referring to.
[16:12] <Amgine_> Urgh! yes... Why do corporations tend to think we're all stupid?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> well the canadian dollar is sto=ill 67cents in their currency exchange price lists
[16:14] <BluesKaj> err still
 Was at a bookstore the other day, sticker over the barcode priced $22.95, under the sticker Canadian price $16.95, US price $13.95
[16:16] <Amgine_> The book was *printed in Canada*.
[16:17] <Amgine_> I hate book publishers...
[16:18] <BluesKaj> so how are you gonna get around the canadian price for those netbooks , Amgine_ ?
[16:19] <Amgine_> NCIX in Canada, if I can convince the client to buy 'em.
[16:19] <Amgine_> They, btw, will sell the netbooks without Windows.
[16:20] <Amgine_> okay, netbook ubuntu test flash drive installed, time to try it.
[17:58] <Amgine_> BluesKaj: Everything seems to work as planned. Now, how do I disable the very pretty Unity interface, and start FF in kiosk on startup?
[17:59] <BluesKaj> sorry Amgine_ , I'm not a gnome fan/user , strictly kde here
[17:59] <BluesKaj> Amgine_, the guys at #ubuntu can probly help
 Thanks BluesKaj!
[18:03] <genii-around> ♩ It's not easy being green ♩  < me hums >
[18:35] <bregma> so, is it a lime green, and atomic green, or more of a viridian?
[18:37] <genii-around> Sort of an astro-turf green :)
[18:38] <genii-around> The fingernail polish might be more of a neon or lime green I guess


[00:11] <The_Fred> hello
[00:11] <yothsoggoth> Hello
[00:11] <The_Fred> how goes it?
[00:12] <yothsoggoth> Good thanks, and yourself?
[00:12] <The_Fred> been busy,taking a break now
[00:12] <yothsoggoth> Busy at this time of night?
[00:13] <The_Fred> I launched an app, and now i have focus on the marketting...
[00:13] <The_Fred> yothsoggoth, yea, i dont sleep much
[00:13] <yothsoggoth> I see
[00:13]  * The_Fred looks and sees the usual suspects are logged in :)
[00:14] <The_Fred> yothsoggoth, winding down for the night?
[00:15] <yothsoggoth> Sort of, been fairly busy myself. I came across an old game engine I wrote when I was learning game programming a few years back and I'm fixing it up a little to release open-source and write some tutorials for it for beginner game programming
[00:16] <The_Fred> thats brilliant
[00:16] <The_Fred> what language?
[00:16] <yothsoggoth> C++
[00:16] <yothsoggoth> It's mainly just SDL-wrapping kind of stuff
[00:17] <The_Fred> i see
[00:17] <yothsoggoth> It's only for 2D stuff. I made it to follow the exact same layout as a 3D engine we used at university for learning that basics
[00:17] <The_Fred> i was thinking of doing a blender-game engine tutorial when i get (if ever) a chance... maybe I'll look into your efforts
[00:18] <The_Fred> 2d is still very usefull
[00:19] <yothsoggoth> That sounds quite interesting. I've been meaning to have a go with Blender and try and learn a few simple little tricks, never got around to it yet though.
[00:19] <The_Fred> for example im putting my script together for youtube video demo, and i will be using blender as 2d for flipping video on plane objects
[00:19] <The_Fred> blender can be a big distraction :)
[00:19] <yothsoggoth> Yeah, well I've always had a slight preference for 2D, so when we only had a 3D engine to work with at university, but I had some ideas of 2D games, I decided to write one that was almost identical to the engine they gave us, but 2D
[00:20] <The_Fred> is there much difference between 2/3d engine writing?
[00:20] <yothsoggoth> That sounds quite cool, I always hear that Blender is like a supertool, but when I installed it a few years back when I first heard of it, it looked very complicated and so it got pushed back on my list of things-to-look-into
[00:21] <The_Fred> sometimes i use it for mind mapping
[00:22] <yothsoggoth> There can be quite a big difference between 2/3D engine writing, but it's mainly just because 2D engine usually need only to display an image, whereas 3D engines need to do things like map textures to odd-shaped surfaces and such
[00:22] <The_Fred> there's lots of tutorials online, I just follow one which matches my version of blender and then change bits, then work through another tutorial....
[00:22] <The_Fred> i see
[00:23] <The_Fred> do you have a url and any tutorials for your work?
[00:24] <yothsoggoth> Not yet, I've just been working on adding the Doxygen markup into the comments of the code, haven't got round to writing any tutorials for it yet
[00:24] <The_Fred> do you have a blog that i could check up on at a later date?
[00:24] <Seeker`> yothsoggoth: Your name from Lovecraft?
[00:25] <yothsoggoth> http://www.robotgoblin.co.uk/ is my blog. Usually filled with beginner Linux and programming stuff, soon to have mentioned tutorials on there :)
[00:25] <The_Fred> hi Seeker`
[00:25] <Seeker`> hi
[00:25] <The_Fred> yothsoggoth, thanks, ive bookmarked that
[00:26] <yothsoggoth> Seeker`: Sort of, I believe the character in Lovecraft's work is Yog-Sothoth, Yoth Soggoth is from the game Stonekeep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonekeep), but clearly based on Lovecraft's work.
[00:26] <yothsoggoth> The_Fred: Great :D
[00:27] <Seeker`> yothsoggoth: ah, cool :)
[00:27] <Azelphur> someone told me cleaning it would make it go faster https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33906036/gore.jpg
[00:29] <The_Fred> Azelphur, those can get gunky
[00:30] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:30] <Azelphur> gotta give em a good soaping.
[00:31] <The_Fred> I have to keep cleaning my laptop heatsink out every 2 months.... its fiddly and annoying
[00:32] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:32] <The_Fred> yothsoggoth, is it much hassle to setup a wordpress theme on a empty webhost?
[00:33] <The_Fred> Azelphur, i put it off until the drone of the fan being constant on drives me to it
[00:33] <yothsoggoth> The_Fred: It's pretty easy in my experience. Basically a case of uploading the wordpress files, creating a MySQL DB and going through a 5/10 minute setup procedure
[00:33] <The_Fred> ah, thats good to know
[00:33] <Azelphur> :)
[00:34] <soreau> Azelphur: surely that's not a real pic from you..
[00:34] <Azelphur> soreau: haha, just found it and thought it was funny ;)
[00:35] <soreau> Azelphur: yea, it is :)
[00:35] <The_Fred> oh noes!
[00:35] <The_Fred> powercut
[00:35] <soreau> Azelphur: The last time I did something crazy like that.. I resurrected a PS3 from Yellow Light of Death with my trust torch
[00:35]  * The_Fred goes to check the meter
[00:35] <soreau> The cpu and/or gpu needed a good reflowing ;)
[00:36] <soreau> trusty*
[00:36] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:36] <soreau> Some of the other chips got a little bubbling on top but it worked :)
[00:36] <Azelphur> :D
[00:41] <The_Fred> meh, it looks like the whole street has a powercut
[00:41] <The_Fred> event the street lights are out
[00:41] <The_Fred> *even
[00:49] <The_Fred> this could turn bad for me, its rain hard, and our drain pump is dead
[00:50] <The_Fred> last time i ended up with a foot of water in here :(
[00:51]  * The_Fred goes to put everything up on the worktops
[00:51] <shauno> house on a hill ftw
[00:52] <shauno> when all else fails, gravity still loves me
[06:00] <mattt> morning
[06:19] <popey> morning
[07:13] <diplo> Morning all
[07:19] <diplo> Some help from any python people
[07:19] <diplo> http://pastebin.com/nYn1gsDU
[07:19] <diplo> Basically running the unmount command on one site causes me these errors
[07:20] <diplo> Can't seem to trace the error if anyone can think of anything
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> it's taking too long for the thing you're calling to reply
[07:23] <diplo> yeah, that's what I thought, it's why I put a time.sleep in their
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> so either there's a lot of data to sync (but it should work with that) or it died trying to do your request
[07:23] <diplo> Maybe needs a little longer
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> your sleeping won't help -- it's the called party that's not responding (and generating a timeout _on the bus_)
[07:23] <diplo> yeah so it's doing a copy from hdd to usb pen drive
[07:24] <diplo> I was using the sleep after the copy to let the sync finish but that's not right then
[07:25] <diplo> I thought it wouldn't unmount because of it still trying to access something in some way
[07:25] <diplo> Any thoughts on what to try ?
[07:27] <diplo> brb
[07:30] <arsen> nexus 7 looks fun :>
[07:40] <MartijnVdS> isn't it just another 7" tablet?
[07:40] <arsen> well it is, but it seems well built and well specced
[07:41]  * MartijnVdS has a xoom
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> which will get Jelly Bean as well \o/
[07:41] <arsen> ah :)
[07:41] <arsen> im hesitant to own an ipad
[07:41] <arsen> but id like android on a tablet, would line up with what i want to do with it better i think. tv/films/ebooks/random sysadmin tasks etcetc
[07:42] <arsen> though with tv/films/video podcasts/audio podcasts/music i reckon 8/16gb isnt gona be enough :/
[07:45] <diplo> You wouldn;t use a tablet like that though, you just load it up with what you would like to watch/listen to on the trip you are on ?
[07:45] <arsen> i guess to some extent, i like to keep a float of content though for options
[07:46]  * popey hugs his ipad
[07:46] <arsen> ive always been the 'carry a 160gig ipod with all music i could ever need' kind aguy, rather than the 8gig option and flipping out music regularly.
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: freedom hater ;)
[07:46] <popey> but is also impatient for his android tablet to arrive
[07:46] <popey> MartijnVdS, you too!
[07:46] <arsen> popey  - dont, im trying my hardest not to get noe.
[07:46] <arsen> one*
[07:46] <popey> its only now that I'll consider android devices
[07:46] <arsen> i can save myself £300 with a nexus7 :p
[07:46] <popey> ipad is still better built than most
[07:46] <arsen> and yes, this would be the first time i'd consider them worthwhile
[07:47] <popey> and better customer support
[07:47] <popey> I had my broken ipad replaced out of warranty
[07:47] <popey> google have no clue how to do customer support
[07:47] <arsen> arh that reminds me, my ipod classic exploded :<
[07:47] <arsen> must be almost 3 years old i guess.
[07:49] <popey> my iriver ihp-140 is still soldiering on :D
[07:50] <arsen> mine just turned off mid podcast at a house party, nobody anywhere near it :( i may just buy an ipad but im desperately trying to pursuade myself the nexus7 may actually be the first reasonable android device
[07:50] <popey> whats the use case?
[07:50] <arsen> (without HD / Sd expansion)
[07:51] <popey> would you be watching the tv/film/books at home or work or on the road?
[07:51] <arsen> i used to always carry an 11" air, but now i dont need to (and dont have it anymore), so looking for mobile computing platform for entertainment when travelling/holidaying/infront of the TV
[07:52] <arsen> browsing/video|tv/ereading/email. for example im off to morocco in a few weeks, aside from any book i buy i have no techy toys for my trip! :<
[07:55] <arsen> i hope my iphone ssh app is better on the ipad.
[07:56] <arsen> off on a training course tomorrow too, which will likely be lots of downtime staring at the ceiling.
[08:19] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:21] <christel> morning clam
[08:22] <bigcalm> :D
[08:22] <czajkowski> good morning all
[08:22] <bigcalm> {}
[08:22] <bigcalm> Ello czajkowski
[08:22] <christel> morning pretty girl
[08:22] <czajkowski> christel: hello darling how's you
[08:22] <christel> i am well!
[08:23] <czajkowski> excellent
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[08:34] <hoover_> morning lads
[08:43] <Twinkletoes> Morning
[08:46] <dwatkins> hello people
[08:46] <hoover_> how's life?
[08:47] <dwatkins> coffee++
[08:50] <arsen> good plan++
[08:52]  * bigcalm tickles popey
[08:57] <hoover_> hey biggie
[08:58] <bigcalm> Hiya hoovie
[08:59] <czajkowski> Join Mark Shuttleworth live on The Register today at 3pm UK talking about #Canonical & #ubuntu. Join here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/28/mark_shuttleworth_live_chat/
[09:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:22] <paulmellors> morning
[09:23] <brobostigon> morning paulmellors
[10:18] <davmor2> morning all
[10:18] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:25] <davmor2> hey bigcalm still no ics
[10:25] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[10:25] <bigcalm> We're in the 3rd quarter now
[10:29] <BigRedS> are you relying on a handset vendor for android updates?
[10:33] <bigcalm> Yes, we like to wait
[10:33] <BigRedS> haha
[10:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: I reckon on we get JB before ICS the way things are going,  the pdk that google is on about lets think which company do they now own so who would they use as lab rats
[10:45] <directhex> davmor2, nope, you'll get ICS when JB is in the wild.
[10:46] <davmor2> directhex: muhahahahahahaha
[10:57] <davmor2> meme time original vs updated cover== http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocdJvzFX1GE vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMnukY8qbxU
[11:00] <popey> does iplayer not work on android devices?
[11:00] <brobostigon> depends if you have flash or not, but yes, it does work.
[11:01] <davmor2> popey: if it doesn't it's probably apples doing they have this hate hate relationship with android
[11:02] <brobostigon> and you need certain specific gpu chipsets, for flash in android.
[11:03] <arsen> do you have the non-3g ipad popey ? im wondering if not having GPS would bug me.
[11:03] <davmor2> popey: which phone
[11:03] <popey> its a tablet
[11:03] <popey> SmartQ T20
[11:03] <popey> I have installed flash
[11:03] <popey> arsen, i have wifi ipad
[11:04] <brobostigon> should work, if not, sometimes being slow, or unstable, depending on the device specs.
[11:05] <davmor2> popey: is there not an iplayer app?
[11:07] <popey> davmor2, there is, and when you open it, it takes you to the bbc website page saying "device not supported"
[11:08] <davmor2> popey: oh odd, is it on one specific video or all of them
[11:09] <popey> thats just opening the app
[11:09] <davmor2> popey: and with flash enabled have you gone directly to the site and clicked on desktop version if there is one?
[11:10] <popey> yes
[11:10] <davmor2> popey: failing that report it to the bbc and make them fix it :)
[11:11] <popey> now I remember why I dont like android
[11:11] <davmor2> popey: you just pick the wrong apps ;)
[11:11] <popey> ho ho ho
[11:12] <popey> its the single app i use most on ipad
[11:12] <popey> so i think it reasonable to try on android
[11:12] <davmor2> popey: you're meant to use popular things :)
[11:30] <BigRedS> is iplayer not popular?
[11:32] <Myrtti> if you have jellybean android, BBC is working on an update of the app
[11:39] <AlanBell> iplayer works for me on ICS on a galaxy S2, worked on the previous android too
[11:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: how many miles did you say the 407 had done? Find out when the cambelt was replaced. Peugeot quote 96,000 miles between changes. Might also want to ask about the water pump and tensioner at the same time
[11:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: 87,600 but the first thing I do with a new car is get all the belts change I had one go once and it's stupid expensive
[11:43] <bigcalm> I forget how far my car has been, but it's in the high 80s I think. Time to book it in for a replacement belt
[11:46] <Songtao> hello
[11:46] <Songtao> anyone know about this?
[11:47] <directhex> about what?
[11:47] <bigcalm> $this ?
[11:47] <Songtao> during installation ubuntu, after copying files, the slash screen dispeared, and install failed
[11:47] <popey> Myrtti, ics
[11:48]  * popey gives up and puts ubuntu on the tablet
[11:48] <Songtao> after copyiging files, choose location, username, and then the slash screen disappeared.
[11:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's not that expensive but the labour costs and if you have the engine that has the flywheel pully with locking bearing in it that might need replacing and that is expensive, iirc it's like £60 for the part and about £100 to fit it, but I think it got dropped after the 306 had it fail a few time
[11:50] <bigcalm> :(
[11:51] <BigRedS> Songtao: when the splash screen disappears, what appears in its place?
[11:51] <BigRedS> do you just get a blank desktop?
[11:51] <BigRedS> I think there's an install log in /va/log
[11:51] <Songtao> the splash screen disappears, and back to desktop
[11:51] <BigRedS> can't remember what it's called, but it'd be worth seeing what's in there
[11:52] <Songtao> cool, will go have a look thx
[11:54] <directhex> Songtao, what's the computer?
[11:56] <Songtao> very old computer, amd
[11:56] <Songtao> 2004 maybe
[12:01] <Songtao> there is somthing in syslog.
[12:01] <Songtao> exception dring installation:
[12:01] <Songtao> traceback :
[12:01] <Songtao> File "/usr/share/ubiquity/install.py", line 689 in <module> install.run()
[12:01] <Songtao> ...
[12:01] <Songtao> File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/debconf.py", line 81, in comma
[12:01] <Songtao> status = int(status)
[12:01] <Songtao> Value Error: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ' '
[12:05] <Songtao> the same information like this one
[12:05] <Songtao> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/985354
[12:07] <Songtao> so no solutions yet, damn
[12:10] <BigRedS> Songtao: might be worth trying the alternative installer?
[12:10] <BigRedS> it's text based and a good deal less pretty, but works on a wider range of hardware
[12:11] <Songtao> ubuntu server version ?
[12:11] <BigRedS> No, it still installs a desktop
[12:12] <BigRedS> just doesn't have a liveCD first
[12:12] <Darael> I've got a system here, wanted to run KVM, but kvm-ok says the virtualisation extensions are available but disabled in BIOS.  Problem is, the BIOS configurator doesn't have any such option.  Can't find an updated BIOS, either.  Any ideas?
[12:12] <BigRedS> Songtao: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads
[12:12] <BigRedS> see "Text-based installation"
[12:13] <Songtao> thanks a lot, save my day
[12:16] <directhex> Darael, HP?
[12:19] <Darael> directhex: Nope.  Small manufacturer, can't recall who.
[12:19] <directhex> Darael, and you're sure there's nothing in the BIOS? it's usually in the CPU section, where you can disable or enable NX and similar
[12:20] <directhex> Darael, my experience with HP was a core 2 desktop where the default BIOS didn't have that setting, I had to flash on a replacement "vPro" bios instead
[12:20] <Darael> directhex: I've scoured for it, though it's possible I've missed it.
[12:24] <dwatkins> Darael: I assume that the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' doesn't show the relevant extension either
[12:24] <dwatkins> s/extension/flag/
[12:25] <Darael> dwatkins: vmx /is/ listed under Flags. I assume that's what I'm looking for, based on the output of kvm-ok, but if I'm wrong do tell me.
[12:26] <dwatkins> What kind of processor is it, Darael?
[12:26] <Darael> dwatkins: A Core 2 Duo, it looks like.  One moment...
[12:27] <dwatkins> ah, the flag just indicates the CPU supports it, so it should be possible to enable it in the BIOS.
[12:27] <Darael> That's what I thought.  Unfortunately I can't find the setting in the BIOS.
[12:28] <dwatkins> Darael: I can only think it might be worth trying VirtualBox to see what it sees the CPU is capable of.
[12:41] <davmor2> popey: I bet you can access iplayer too :D
[12:41] <popey> hah, what, now?
[12:45] <davmor2> popey: with ubuntu on you're tablet, even if it is the wrong language :)
[12:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: by the way next Thursday I'm not here, python training at linux emporium :)
[13:09] <DJones> popey: BBC iPlayer worked fine on my Transformer prime with ICS
[13:09] <Twinkletoes> I've jsut been asked to log into another user's mailbox and delete a mail sent by accident.  I don't feel comfortable with this.  Is there any reason I should not do it?
[13:10] <BigRedS> Personally, I'd not have a problem with doing that
[13:10] <arsen> who asked?
[13:10] <BigRedS> The doesn't mean you shouldn't
[13:10] <BigRedS> *that
[13:10] <Twinkletoes> The CFO asked
[13:10] <arsen> if you're requested to by your manager/senior management, then why not
[13:10] <arsen> could be doing them a huge favour, and saving stress on both sides.
[13:10] <Twinkletoes> arsen: Any data protection / privacy laws etc.?
[13:11] <DJones> Twinkletoes: Is the bosses name Bob Diamond by any chance
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> arsen: I agree, but it makes me feel uncomfortable
[13:11] <dogmatic69> Twinkletoes: if you got it in writing / email print it out and do it
[13:11] <ali1234> it really depends if you work for a huge company or not
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> DJones: haha - no :)
[13:11] <arsen> huge company then id be looking for more written confirmation
[13:11] <ali1234> if there's 3 people at the company then just do it
[13:11] <arsen> smaller id probably just do it, if someone board level is asking
[13:11] <BigRedS> There'd be no data protection or privacy laws if you're not reading anything, just deleting
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> I think I'll do it, but send them a cionfirmation that it's been done, and copy someone else in
[13:11] <ali1234> unless you hate the person who's asking you to do it
[13:11] <arsen> the chances are they've accidentally sent soemthing confidential that will oepn a can of worms if someone sees it
[13:11] <ali1234> then you delay it :)
[13:12] <arsen> dont mention teh subject or the content
[13:12] <DJones> Twinkletoes: I'd make sure you get something in writing from whoever asked you to delete as well
[13:12] <arsen> just track it against the message ID or something
[13:12] <Twinkletoes> DJones: oki
[13:12] <Twinkletoes> thanks folks :)
[13:12] <arsen> "as requested ive deleted the email received at <blah time> with message ID <blah>"
[13:12] <arsen> then youre following orders but leaving a trail if all goes pear shaped.
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> Yup
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> It's a pain in the arse... Office 365... Iv'e got to give myself permission to the user's mailbox, remove teh offending mail, then remove my permission again
[13:13] <ali1234> the problem is how do you know f the person received it?
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> ali1234: They're in a timezone 12 hours apart
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> They should be fast asleep
[13:13] <ali1234> that doesn't mean it takes 12 hours to send an emai :)
[13:13] <arsen> though if it were me, id read it.
[13:13] <arsen> :D#
[13:14] <arsen> theres something in there they shouldnt be emailing around, if you know you can handle something htat might upset you you may be in a stronger position knowing it :P
[13:14] <ali1234> if you didn't try to delete it, at least you would know they read it
[13:14] <ali1234> where as now it's going to be really awkward ifthose people meet
[13:14] <ali1234> and A will never know if B read it or not, but can't ask
[13:15] <ali1234> because if they didn't read it, asking would give it away?
[13:21] <Twinkletoes> The deed is done... it was flagged as unread (although no guarantee).  I've sent the confirmation to the requester and my direct boss, and if the sh*t hits the fan, then I'm covered.
[13:21] <Twinkletoes> Tempted as I was, I didn't read the email :)
[13:21] <ali1234> i definitely would have read it :)
[13:24] <popey> davmor2, http://ubuntuone.com/4LM2nHyscB0tVSlD4J79Cv what should I click? :)
[13:25] <Twinkletoes> popey: holy cr*p - that looks a mess
[13:26] <popey> it does?
[13:26] <popey> looks chinese to me
[13:26] <ali1234> try pointing google goggles at it, it should translate it for you
[13:27] <davmor2> popey: copy the button text into google translate :)
[13:27] <popey> lol
[13:28] <Laney> go ask in #ubuntu-cn :-)
[13:28] <popey> heh
[13:28] <popey> no google goggles on iphone :(
[13:28] <davmor2> popey: 5 seconds
[13:28]  * Laney just joined there. Scary characters on my screen...
[13:30]  * AlanBell used to support people in Japanese
[13:30] <andatche> how is the documentation for upstart *still* so incomplete?! :(
[13:30] <andatche> most frustraiting
[13:33]  * popey still has this dialog on the screen, wondering what button to tap
[13:33] <gord> press the one on the right
[13:34] <popey> i was leaning towards that one too
[13:34] <gord> whats the worst that can happen?
[13:34] <gord> its probably not a format your computer dialog
[13:34] <gord> probably
[13:35] <popey> close
[13:35] <popey> apport popped up
[13:35] <gord> i have lots of experience playing japanese import games, randomly clicking around until i find the play game button is my specialty
[13:35] <gord> never figured out how to play tokyo bus driver though...
[13:37] <DJones> popey: You could ask bazhang in -irc
[13:38] <DJones> Ready for next time it happens
[13:40] <popey> thanks
[13:40] <SuperMatt> I like the new software updater in quantal
[13:40] <SuperMatt> it's an awful lot nicer
[13:42] <davmor2> popey: word lens on iphone
[13:42] <popey> SuperMatt, i hate the name
[13:43] <SuperMatt> software updater? I guess it does feel a little cumbersome
[13:43] <SuperMatt> I can't for the life of me think of a better name right now though :/
[13:43] <popey> Makebetterer
[13:44] <SuperMatt> software fixer-upper
[13:45] <popey> erer
[13:46] <SuperMatt> app patcher...
[13:47] <Laney> Woeaway
[13:47] <Laney> Bugbegone
[13:49] <SuperMatt> system updater might be better
[13:49] <popey> lies
[13:50] <SuperMatt> I'm not lying!
[13:51]  * SuperMatt spies reddit.com/r/ubuntu/new and thinks he knows why popey has been changing his language settings
[13:51] <popey> hmm>
[13:54] <SuperMatt> I know that r/ubuntu isn't supposed to be for help, but I don't know why no one has created a subreddit. Ubuntu news doesn't happen anywhere near as often as ubuntu problems
[13:54] <BigRedS> Because there's already half a billion other places to ask for Ubuntu help and what's needed isn't more of them?
[13:54] <SuperMatt> a fair point
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> Has anyone been here: http://www.minack.com/ ?
[13:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: ta, noted
[14:04] <diplo> MartijnVdS: Not attended a show there, but seen/been there yes
[14:04] <diplo> not for a long while though
[14:29] <diplo> Does anyone know of a way in Python to check whether a usb device is still syncing/written to ?
[14:30] <diplo> My google foo is sucking once again
[14:30] <diplo> And my python skills are non existent tbh
[14:36] <bigcalm> diplo: eventually got Hayley's Wildfire sorted. Had to use both windows and linux to finish the job
[14:36] <diplo> :/
[14:36] <diplo> Took me two hours, so anywhere around their I'd say is not to bad
[14:36] <diplo> Good work though
[14:36] <bigcalm> Heh, ta
[14:37] <bigcalm> Sadly Hayley thinks it's ugly
[14:37] <bigcalm> I need to make it more friendly to her
[14:37] <diplo> Cyagen?
[14:37] <bigcalm> CM, aye
[14:37] <diplo> She liked Sense I guess ?
[14:37] <bigcalm> diplo: it's what she was used to
[14:38] <diplo> She noticed any speed improvements though ?
[14:40] <bigcalm> Not sure, she's only had it half a day so far
[14:40] <diplo> oh :)
[14:40] <bigcalm> I noticed it :)
[14:40] <diplo> Battery defo lasts a fair bit longer as well
[14:40] <gord> would you notice it if you didn't know about it though i wonder
[14:41] <diplo> Did you upgrade the GPS bigcalm ?
[14:41] <bigcalm> diplo: no, forgot about that
[14:41] <diplo> gord: On this phone, yeah... was a tad rubbish
[14:41] <bigcalm> diplo: will have a look later
[14:41] <diplo> Probably still on my sd card if you get stuck finding it.
[14:41] <diplo> Test it first,  yours may be ok
[14:41] <bigcalm> Indeed
[14:42] <diplo> I didn't notice mine till a few days later when Endomondo wasn't doing my bike rides/wa;ls
[14:42] <diplo> walks*
[14:42] <dwatkins> Copying 21.4 GB: time remaining: 6 hours 30 minutes *restarts Samba* ... time remaining: 9 minutes
[14:42] <diplo> lol
[14:43] <diplo> Was about to say dwatkins, I'm doing similar to usb stick and that's starting to wear me out
[14:43] <dwatkins> it's fluctuating a lot, probably because Windows 7 can't handle the data throughput ;)
[14:46] <Songtao> how to remote access ubuntu  desktop
[14:46] <Songtao> tried enable remote sharing, not works
[14:46] <dwatkins> What kind of remote access, Songtao?
[14:47] <Songtao> en.. full control the desktop
[14:47] <dwatkins> There are various ways, if you want to take control of the existing desktop you can use x11vnc, or for a virtual session there's NX, tightvnc and xdmcp
[14:48] <Songtao> I have tried desktop sharing, and using remote desktop viewer, which is give error, connection closed
[14:49] <dwatkins> I assume the relevant port was open, not firewalled etc.
[14:49] <Songtao> I am new to ubuntu, which way is easy? I had a ubuntu desktop 12.04, I need user can access it remotely from diffrent pc, windows and ubuntu
[14:50] <Songtao> yea, I had full control of that system, can open any port
[14:50] <dwatkins> are the two systems on the same subnet, though?
[14:51] <Songtao> yes
[14:51] <Songtao> all internal network
[14:51] <dwatkins> what client did you use to connect? I suspect you activated VNC, in which case you'll need a VNC viewer, not the RDP viewer in Windows.
[14:52] <dwatkins> http://www.debianadmin.com/images/rds/5.png  is what I assume you're activating
[14:52] <Songtao> I m using remote desktop viewer which I can choose using vnc or rdp,
[14:53] <Songtao> yes
[14:53] <Songtao> without tick the "Ask you for confirmation",
[14:54] <Songtao> but when I try to remote access it, it will success at the beginning, but few seconds, it will show me error, connection closed
[14:55] <dwatkins> I guess you would have to check the logfile to see why. Sorry, but I've not used this myself.
[14:55] <Songtao> thanks a lot, I will do that,
[15:34] <DJones> Argh. Just had no internet connection for 90 minutes, boss rang broadband supplier, got nowhere, boss rang IT support, IT support rang broadband supplier, broadband supplier ran line tests with no errors, boss checked router, broadband supplier said they'd contact BT to get a full line investigation, 90 minutes later I wander in, take the RJ11 cable out of the RJ45 socket & put it in the right hole.......Argh again
[15:35] <czajkowski> DJones: having a fun day are you :)
[15:36] <diplo> lol DJones
[15:36] <diplo> So glad i don't deal with that
[15:37] <dwatkins> DJones: did the cleaner unplug it for the vacuum cleaner? ;)
[15:38] <DJones> I wouldn't mind, I don't deal with it....its not my job, I just pick up the pieces afterwards
[15:38] <dwatkins> sounds like my job
[15:38] <bigcalm> DJones: why was an rj11 jack in an rj45 socket?
[15:38] <DJones> dwatkins: Nope, admin clerk connecting the franking machine to put some money on it
[15:38] <DJones> bigcalm: Dumb stupidity
[15:38] <bigcalm> Yay
[15:39] <bigcalm> They all look alike :)
[15:39] <diplo> That's what i meant DJones, I used to have to deal with that on the side, but not at all anymore
[15:43] <arsen> DJones  and how was it moved? :p
[15:49] <gord> wow, left my laptop on the couch and thunderbird decided to sit there constantly checking mail at 80% cpu time. couch is a bit warm now
[15:54] <DJones> arsen: Nobody is admitting to it, I have a list of suspects that can be counted on two fingers though
[15:55] <bigcalm> \/
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> DJones: so.. 4? :)
[16:05] <SuperMatt> it occurs to me that there is an issue with the software updater/updating in linux in general. I've just had the updater ask me if I wanted to keep/replace/merge my dhclient.conf file. This is all very well, but users don't always know what is the right thing to do in these situations. Is it possible that if this is the case that it gives the option to make a backup of the original file/put the package maintainer ver
[16:06] <SuperMatt> that is, if I wish to keep my version, the package maintainer version is kept somewhere I can find it later
[16:07] <dogmatic69> SuperMatt: I just had the same, but no option for merge
[16:07] <dogmatic69> was the gnome defaults config
[16:08] <SuperMatt> I wasn't sure if merge popped up in mine
[16:08] <dogmatic69> ended up taking the new one, so lost my customisations
[16:08] <SuperMatt> in this instance, I knew that changing dhclients wouldn't cause an issue, but I'm often asked if I want my copy of grub.conf or the maintainer's one and that's where scary shit happens
[16:08] <SuperMatt> oops, I swore again
[16:08] <SuperMatt> sorry
[16:09] <dogmatic69> yep, do you stick with what works and risk a backwards compatibility issue, or loose your settings for nothing
[16:10] <SuperMatt> what if you keep your config and it breaks everything, or if you use the package maintainer version and you're missing a tweak that breaks everything
[16:10] <SuperMatt> it's a minefield
[16:10] <dogmatic69> ye
[16:10] <dogmatic69> I have had cherokee server wipe all my vhosts because of this, not too much fun
[16:11] <dogmatic69> and if you dont take the new config there is a good chance you will be missing something that makes it work
[16:11] <SuperMatt> and I don't know if we can have large scale adaptation unless we can come up with a solution that works
[16:12] <SuperMatt> not adaptation, adoption
[16:12] <dogmatic69> ubuntu could handle this, eg make backups of everything first
[16:12] <SuperMatt> well, I wonder if it's possible to put in place a section in the boot loader that knows how to copy good config files back
[16:13] <dogmatic69> if you have the new clean + old modified + merge at least you could work it out if something goes wrong
[16:13]  * SuperMatt nods
[16:14] <Laney> dpkg keeps the old/new version of the file
[16:14] <Laney> /path/to/config-file.dpkg-{old,new}
[16:14] <SuperMatt> I see
[16:14] <SuperMatt> useful
[16:14] <dogmatic69> Laney: does not help for apt-get though?
[16:15] <Laney> why not?
[16:15] <dogmatic69> never seen them before
[16:15] <SuperMatt> but here's the thing: will a home user know that it's there and know what to do with it?
[16:15] <Laney> what are home users doing messing around in /etc?
[16:16] <dogmatic69> Laney: home users update software
[16:16] <SuperMatt> unfortunately, you never know
[16:16] <dogmatic69> that is the whole point, updates break things
[16:16] <SuperMatt> they may have had to tweak something to get ubuntu working on their pc
[16:16] <Laney> it doesn't (modulo bugs) prompt if you haven't changed the file
[16:16] <Laney> and if you have then you need to know how to resolve the differences
[16:18] <dogmatic69> Laney: sometimes the gui changes configs and the user would not know wtf a diff is
[17:23] <jacobw> evening
[17:24] <dogmatic69> sup
[17:25] <jacobw> up is merely a gravity dependent intuition
[17:25] <jacobw> in an avalanche, that'd be a confusing question
[17:25]  * jacobw is not in avalanche
[17:25] <jacobw> i'm well, yourself dogmatic69 ?
[17:26] <dogmatic69> not bad, finally have a *working* BT infinity connection so less frustrated
[17:28] <dwatkins> I would define 'up' as subjective.
[17:32] <AlanBell> it is a bit of a geocentric concept
[17:38] <christel> AlanBell: did alan find his cake? :)
[17:39] <AlanBell> he did indeed
[17:40] <AlanBell> I think he tweeted some pictures
[17:40] <christel> excellent!
[17:40] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer
[17:42] <christel> \o/
[17:50] <dogmatic69> this sucks http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978861022?page=1
[17:52] <ali1234> fail
[17:52] <ali1234> several impartial observers could not reproduce
[17:52] <ali1234> only a couple of people actually got banned
[17:52] <ali1234> conclusion: they actually were cheating
[17:53] <dogmatic69> the thought crossed my mind
[17:53] <Azelphur> yea, I'm not banned from D3
[17:53] <dogmatic69> its bad press for linux though :/
[17:53] <ali1234> not really
[17:53] <Azelphur> not really, the main place where everyone hit it from is reddit
[17:53] <ali1234> it's bad press for blizzard
[17:53] <Azelphur> and reddit people figured out it was bullshit
[17:53] <Azelphur> so, pretty much everyone knows it's bs now
[17:54] <ali1234> except that blizzard have already stated that they don't ban liux
[17:54] <ali1234> EVE is better anyway
[17:54] <ali1234> they unnofficially officially support linux
[17:54] <dogmatic69> ali1234: ye, but say some person had thought about linux/ubuntu likes gaming and was on the fence. hear about wine and swinging for linux. see this, back to windows
[17:54] <ali1234> if you look in there change logs you see loads of "fix for unsupported OS"
[17:55] <dogmatic69> hehe
[17:55] <ali1234> diablo sucks, seriously. it's the most boring game i've ever played
[17:55] <dogmatic69> click, click, hold... click, click, hold...
[17:55] <ali1234> i don't even know why they made a new one
[17:56] <dogmatic69> I played the first and second, was pretty good but does get lame after some time
[17:56] <ali1234> also i don't care if people who can't be bothered to do even a tiny bit of research don't use linux
[17:56] <dogmatic69> its not a play for years type game
[17:56] <ali1234> this is a win-win situation as far as i am concerned
[17:56] <dogmatic69> lol
[17:57] <ali1234> because if they decide not to use linux that's one thing
[17:57] <ali1234> but if they decide to use it, think how much more damage they could do
[17:57] <ali1234> when they start writing misinformed "guides" etc
[17:57] <dogmatic69> like all the lame users using windows?
[17:58] <dogmatic69> that did windows a lot of damage..
[17:58] <dogmatic69> and dont even get me started on php "guides"
[18:22] <directhex> http://blogs.unity3d.com/2012/07/03/linux-publishing-preview-what-how-and-wherefore-3/
[18:24] <directhex> important side note: the basic version of Unity3D is gratis, and the basic version includes Linux export (or will when 4.0 ships)
[18:24] <AlanBell> but doesn't run on Linux right?
[18:26] <directhex> AlanBell: the IDE does not, no. the games need to be built on windows or mac, then exported to linux
[18:26] <directhex> with 4.0 anyway
[18:27] <directhex> AlanBell: it's still a dramatically lower barrier to entry for producing decent 3d games than we've had previously
[18:33] <AlanBell> is it the same kind of thing as crystalspace 3d?
[18:35] <directhex> crystalspace just seems to provide the engine, but no editor?
[18:37] <ali1234> it's more like the blender game engine, except good
[18:38] <directhex> yeah, that's a good comparison
[18:38] <AlanBell> crystalspace is related to blender somehow
[18:39] <ali1234> i'm not really sure why you would want something like that unless you were making a highly derivative game where all the logic was done for you, and you just drop in your own graphics
[18:39] <AlanBell> it all looks a bit complicated
[18:39] <ali1234> but there you go
[18:40] <directhex> unity3d is Big in mobile. with a capital B.
[18:41] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94Hn1XhyWB0 was a fairly high profile PC project made with Unity a couple of years ago. Nowadays it's all about kickstarter, a huge percentage of games on Kickstarter are using Unity3D
[18:42] <directhex> wasteland 2 being the most high profile, with a 7 figure budget
[18:44] <ali1234> so how do i make a game with this then?>
[18:45] <directhex> assuming an unspoken "for linux", you start by waiting for 4.0 to be released
[18:46] <ali1234> no, just for anything
[18:47] <directhex> http://unity3d.com/unity/download/ ?
[18:48] <ali1234> i don't understand how you make a game using a drag and drop editor
[18:49] <davmor2> ali1234: by dragging and dropping D'oh ;)
[18:49] <ali1234> that would just result in a static scene, maybe with some fixed animations
[18:49] <ali1234> i don't understand how you go from that, to a game
[18:50] <directhex> i'm not sure how it's any different from unrealengine in that regard
[18:50] <ali1234> i don't know how to use that either
[18:51] <directhex> start with http://catlikecoding.com/unity/tutorials/ then use http://unity3d.com/support/resources/tutorials/
[18:51] <davmor2> ali1234: in software center now on i386 you and install illuminations that will make an app from drag and drop stuff
[18:53] <diplo> Evening all
[18:53] <directhex> seems it ships with buckets of sample projects too
[18:55] <directhex> funnily enough, they hit upon the trick to this kind of product: an integrated store for buying assets (e.g. pre-made selections of crates) and the ability to sell your own assets in that store. it's cited by unity devs as one of their biggest factors in using it
[18:56] <davmor2> directhex: I bet there is fair money to be made just awaiting requests to make assets
[18:56] <ali1234> does it support run time mesh generation?
[18:56] <ali1234> eg bezier surfaces etc
[19:08] <directhex> ali1234: looks like the included samples are *really* comprehensive
[19:09] <directhex> and there's http://docs.unity3d.com/Documentation/Manual/UnityBasics.html
[20:45] <bigcalm> Beep
[21:58] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmm so i found out why the SGS crashes so much
[21:58] <ali1234> it's something to do with t-mobile and orange
[22:06] <ali1234> what's the difference between "data roaming" and "national data roaming"
[22:14] <directhex> ehm..... technically, or practically?
[22:14] <directhex> because the answer i give has an "except for orange/t-mobile who implement this wrong"
[22:19] <czajkowski> directhex: aren't you a new dad?
[22:19] <directhex> czajkowski: yes
[22:20] <czajkowski> directhex: that's what I thought, didn't expect to see you on here so late
[22:20] <czajkowski> hows the little un
[22:20] <directhex> he only just settled down for bed, so i should be going to bed too
[22:39] <popeydroid> Wheeee


[00:28] <mhall119> belkinsa: are you around?
[09:07] <silverlion> good morning jono ;)
[10:38] <belkinsa> mhall119, what's up?
[10:42] <silverlion> o/ belkinsa
[10:43] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:44] <silverlion> czajkowski, aloha
[13:45]  * dholbach spammed the internets about day 2
[13:46] <elfy> dholbach: going to do best to be there for the CC session
[13:46] <dholbach> great :)
[14:01] <mhall119> belkinsa: was going to let you know that i was workingon the lubuntu meeting issues, sent an email instead
[14:58] <belkinsa> mhall119, I saw and I'm ready for the UOS session that is next
[14:59] <belkinsa> What is the channel for the room again>
[16:54] <pleia2> heh, several join requests to ~not-canonical this morning, including 2 with @canonical.com addresses, doh :)
[16:55] <jose> belkinsa: you're the one with problems?
[16:55] <belkinsa> Yeah.
[16:56] <jose> pm
[17:09] <elfy> mmm - seems the vid is missing from http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22386/1504-release-planning/
[17:10] <popey> haha pleia2
[17:12] <jose> elfy: gotta ping laney
[17:13] <jose> mhall119: found a bug on summit, the date is too long :P
[17:16] <elfy> jose: why's that - these things not all done centrally?
[17:17] <jose> elfy: laney is the owner of that video, probably a settings thing
[17:17] <jose> if it's not settings, then the session is probably lost
[17:17] <jose> let's hope not
[17:17] <elfy> jose: okey doke
[17:17] <czajkowski> he's over in desktop
[17:20] <elfy> found him in release - which is appropriate :)
[17:21] <belkinsa> popey, thank you!
[17:21]  * belkinsa hugs popey
[17:27] <popey> np
[17:29] <belkinsa> popey, I misread your e-mail or misunderstood it.  Do you have something that you want to talk about with Ubuntu Women?
[17:29] <popey> yes, one topic
[17:29] <popey> wont take an hour though ☻
[17:30] <belkinsa> Okay, that works.
[17:30] <popey> belkinsa: will other people be there?
[17:30] <popey> or just me?
[17:30] <belkinsa> We should have others but I'm worried that will be all done via IRC if no one else comes to the hangout
[17:31] <belkinsa> I'm trying to see if dholbach will come
[17:32] <czajkowski> belkinsa: when is it ?
[17:32] <belkinsa> In less than 30 minutes, 18 UTC
[17:32] <belkinsa> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22369/community-1411-ubuntuwomen/
[17:33] <popey> be depressing if I'm the only one there
[17:33] <belkinsa> Yeah, but we can do all via IRC, right?
[17:34] <elfy> jose: ta - apparently youtube's lack of hamsters for the wheel that powers it is to blame
[17:34] <jose> elfy: hehe, /me sends a couple hamsters
[17:36] <popey> belkinsa: yeah, we don't have to use video at all
[17:36] <popey> can do it all on irc
[17:36] <popey> no point having video if nobody is going to join
[17:36] <belkinsa> I think that's what we are doing, we need a way to say that on the UOS session page
[17:39] <popey> i can edit that if you want
[17:40] <popey> oh, i can't
[17:41] <popey> mhall119: who can edit http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22369/community-1411-ubuntuwomen/
[17:41] <popey> to say that we're doing the session on irc only
[17:51] <mhall119> popey: it's updated from the LP blueprint, somebody can edit that but it takes an hour or so to sync
[17:52] <mhall119> popey: I can  update it in LP now if somebody will do it in lp
[17:52] <mhall119> otherwise my changes will be overwritten on the next sync
[17:56] <popey> oh
[17:57] <popey> i thought the description came from a direct edit
[17:57] <mhall119> not if it's from a BP
[17:58] <popey> oh okay
[18:07] <wxl> hey folks question about uos: do i need to set up the google hangout? and am i supposed to do something to get the fancy ubuntu footer? :)
[18:08] <jose> wxl: yep, you should start it. the 'fancy ubuntu footer' can be gotten at Hangout Toolbox, the tool is called Lower Third
[18:08] <jose> just input color code #DD4814
[18:08] <wxl> thx jose :)
[18:08] <jose> np!
[18:08] <wxl> you're the best!
[18:10] <wxl> i guess i could use the lubuntu color too ;)
[18:10] <jose> :)
[18:11] <jose> well, as long as you've got the hex code, you can use any color
[18:17] <wxl> jose: what's the difference between the broadcast and hangout urls?
[18:17] <jose> wxl: hangout URL will be the actual hangout people join, broadcast URL is a YouTube video *only for watching*
[18:17] <wxl> oh
[18:17] <wxl> derp :)
[18:17] <jose> hangout URL will allow people to join and speak
[18:28] <wxl> wher edo i get the damn url?
[18:29] <wxl> language
[18:29] <wxl> sorry wrong channel :)
[18:29]  * wxl ducks
[18:32] <wxl> where do i find the toolbox again? that's the stuff on the side?
[18:33] <wxl> oh i figured it out
[18:36] <wxl> belkinsa: np
[18:36] <wxl> i think i'm ready
[18:36] <wxl> i *THINK*
[18:36] <wxl> XD
[18:36] <wxl> omg will i ever stay on the right channel argh
[18:56] <balloons> wxl, Lp
[18:58] <wxl> balloons: hm?
[18:58] <belkinsa> Are the UOS session IRC channels logged?
[18:59] <elfy> belkinsa: yea - should be http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/11/12/%23ubuntu-uds-appdev-1.html
[18:59] <balloons> belkinsa, yes indeed they are
[18:59] <elfy> for instance
[18:59] <balloons> bah elfy beat me!
[18:59] <elfy> I do try :p
[18:59] <belkinsa> Thanks
[20:05] <czajkowski> whooo San Fran here I come :D
[20:10] <belkinsa> Going to visit pleia2?
[20:15] <czajkowski> I hope so yes
[20:15] <czajkowski> I'm there for the week to meet people
[20:15] <belkinsa> I see.
[20:15] <belkinsa> I have some family friends there.
[21:07] <wxl> ok i have the possibly stupidest issue ever to raise to the community team. i want a unicorn shirt and i don't see one on shop.ubuntu.com yet. :)
[21:21] <mhall119> wxl: I want one too, not sure when they'll be available though
[21:22] <wxl> mhall119: push it upstream XD


[01:27] <TheMuso> u/c
[04:21] <colonelqubit> I filed a hibernation bug about a month ago and I've been unable to fix it myself (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/366264).
[04:21] <ubot3> Malone bug 366264 in linux "[Dell XPS m1530] Resume fails after hibernate/suspend" [Undecided,New]
[04:21] <colonelqubit> Is this the right place to ask for help in diagnosing and fixing this bug?
[04:30] <colonelqubit> is there somewhere else I should ask for help with this bug?
[04:59] <johanbr> colonelqubit: remove "splash" and "quiet" from your kernel boot line
[04:59] <johanbr> that should give you some more idea what's wrong
[04:59] <colonelqubit> johanbr: will do
[05:03] <colonelqubit> johanbr: should I edit menu.lst, or just temporarily change the boot params in the grub menu and then try to test suspend?
[05:09] <johanbr> colonelqubit: doesn't really matter
[05:10] <johanbr> it's mostly for debugging, so maybe the temporary way is best
[05:11] <colonelqubit> johanbr: what should I be looking for? I've been reading notes on the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume), but I'm not sure if there's specific info I should put on the bug.
[05:11] <johanbr> well, it looks like it locks up, right?
[05:11] <johanbr> just write down what the last few messages are
[05:13] <colonelqubit> johanbr: yes, it looks like it locks up. I'll append the longer kernel log to the bug
[05:14] <johanbr> alright
[05:14] <johanbr> gotta go... good luck
[05:14] <colonelqubit> johanbr: thanks for the help -- should I ping back to #ubuntu-kernel once I've done this?
[05:16] <johanbr> sure, that doesn't hurt
[05:16] <johanbr> although most of the kernel guys are probably asleep now :)
[05:16] <colonelqubit> okay, I'll try tomorrow morning
[05:17] <johanbr> alright
[05:17] <colonelqubit> have a good night
[05:18] <johanbr> same to you
[10:32] <Yingying_Zhao> Which kernel will Karmic final use?
[10:46] <cooloney> Yingying_Zhao, we decided to use 2.6.31
[11:21] <apw> yep 2.6.31 is the aim
[11:22] <apw> cking, we were musing about doing a small image for testing of new features on usb
[11:23] <cking> apw, jaunty or karmic?
[11:23] <apw> do you have any canned way of making those or is this something we need to think about
[11:23] <apw> i t
[11:23] <apw> i think the though was making a karmic job with x-edgers, updated kernels and grub2
[11:23] <apw> and somehow making all that fit in 0MB (of course)
[11:24] <apw> so it would be trivial to download and test as a bootable image not installed
[11:25] <cking> apw: I just do a clean install to a 8GB USB pen drive and then remove the bloaty apps then shrink the partition using gparted
[11:25] <apw> how small do you think it might go?
[11:26] <cking> Mmm.. 2.2GB was everything, so possibly down to less than 2GB and compressed down to 600MB
[11:26] <apw> so not exacty tiny then
[11:28] <apw> my chroots which contain X are of the order of 550MB
[11:28] <cking> I've got a minimal gnome lpia installer which is ~450MB
[11:28] <cking> (compressed)
[11:29] <apw> thats not the 100MB i was hoping for ... though it was a naieve wish
[11:29] <cking> 100MB is just not possible
[11:33] <cking> apw: would a 500MB image be reasonable?
[11:34] <apw> frankly i don't think it was me who cared how big it is
[11:34] <apw> i think the utility to both the user and us outweighs the size downsides
[11:45] <cking> apw: do you want this image to be produced automatically?
[11:47] <apw> cking, i am not seeing a need for that ...
[11:47] <apw> i can just update it and remake it etc pretty easy once i have a basic one
[11:48] <cking> I suggest downloading the latest image, install it to a 8GB USB stick and removing all the bloaty apps and shrinking it with gparted and working with this as a basis.
[13:27] <apw> cking, yeah sounds like a reasonable plan indeed
[14:40] <ogra> moo
[14:41] <Sam-I-Am> oink
[14:42] <ogra> root@osiris:~# grep CPU_FREQ_DEBUG /boot/config-2.6.30-6-generic
[14:42] <ogra> # CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEBUG is not set
[14:42] <ogra> hrm
[14:43] <smb> ogra, trying to find something. But mjg59 if you happen to hang around. Would you know a way to prevent a build-in acpi-cpufreq from getting selected?
[14:43] <smb> ogra, The whole of acpi debug is disabled by default
[14:43] <ogra> yeah
[14:43] <mjg59> smb: No
[14:43] <ogra> we should probably have it on during development
[14:44] <mjg59> Why would you want to?
[14:44] <ogra> my system is constantly running the fan and the frequency doesnt go below 1GHz since the modules were included in the kernel by default
[14:44] <smb> mjg59, To try to check what driver would get used next. ogra has a case where he had a lower freq avalable before but not with the acpi driver
[14:44] <ogra> i'd like to have my 800MHz default back :)
[14:45] <mjg59> What hardware is this?
[14:45] <ogra> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5550  @ 1.83GHz
[14:45] <mjg59> And now what's the lowest speed?
[14:46] <smb> mjg59, 1Ghz
[14:46] <mjg59> acpi-cpufreq is the only correct driver for that chip
[14:47] <mjg59> If it's missing a state now then that implies that there's been a code change rather than a driver change
[14:47] <mjg59> Unless you were somehow using p4-clockmod previously, in which case your life is now immeasurably better than it was then
[14:47] <ogra> i'm pretty sure with the modules a different direver was used
[14:47] <ogra> *driver
[14:47] <ogra> not sure if it was the right one, but it definately scaled to a lower speed by default
[14:48] <mjg59> Other than acpi-cpufreq, only p4-clockmod could possibly bind to that chip
[14:48] <smb> mjg59, Yeah, that was somehow my suspicion
[14:48] <mjg59> And that doesn't do voltage scaling
[14:48] <ogra> yeah, might be that it was the p4 one
[14:48] <mjg59> So things are now better than they were previously
[14:48] <ogra> my lappie is most of the time on AC ... what i care for is the constantly running fan
[14:49] <mjg59> It'll run coler at 1GHz with acpi-cpufreq than at 800MHz with p4-clockmod
[14:49] <mjg59> s/coler/cooler/
[14:49] <ogra> hmm
[14:49] <mjg59> V^2/R and all that
[14:49] <ogra> then why does it run constantly even though thermal_zone only shows 55°C ?
[14:49] <mjg59> Because the lowest trip point is below 55C?
[14:51] <ogra> root@osiris:~# cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ0/trip_points
[14:51] <ogra> critical (S5):           91 C
[14:51] <ogra> not really
[14:51] <mjg59> Oh, so it's all BIOS controlled anyway
[14:51] <ogra> i have no BOIS option for it though
[14:51] <ogra> *BIOS
[14:51] <mjg59> You typically won't
[14:53] <ogra> well, it used to only spin up once an hour or so when the machine was idling
[14:53] <stgraber> ogra: got my mail ?
[14:53] <ogra> until the whole stack of cpufreq/thermal moved into the kernel
[14:53] <stgraber> oops, wrong chan :) thought I was in #ltsp, sorry
[14:54] <mjg59> ogra: Shrug.
[14:54] <mjg59> ogra: If you were using p4-clockmod before then your machine was running hotter. That's a thermodynamic certainty.
[14:54] <smb> Probably with p4-clockmod the temp was slightly lower at 800MHz
[14:54] <mjg59> smb: No
[14:55] <smb> Ok, that would have been my only way to explain this
[14:55] <mjg59> smb: Power consumption is linear with frequency, but tends towards a V^2 relationship with voltage scaling
[14:56] <smb> Hm, and iirc the p4 driver did only freq scaling
[14:56] <ogra> is there any way to tell acpi-cpufreq to use 800MHz ?
[14:57] <mjg59> ogra: It uses whatever frequencies your BIOS provides
[14:58] <smb> mjg59, Could a custom dsdt override the frequencies?
[14:58] <mjg59> Yes
[14:58] <mjg59> But if you're driving the chip at lower voltages then it's designed to, then you risk data corruption
[14:59] <mjg59> And just dropping the frequency won't save you anything
[14:59] <mjg59> It just means you spend less time in deep C states
[15:00] <apw> ogra, i am a little supprised you have no 800mhz given the model you have thre
[15:00] <apw> my model, looks like a later version of yours and has 800 available
[15:00] <mjg59> The frequencies available are determined by the bios, not the CPU
[15:01] <ogra> my system is a clevo tn120
[15:01] <apw> interesting ... i'd not thought of it that way
[15:01] <mjg59> ogra: Stick the output of acpidump somewhere?
[15:01] <ogra> wow, thats huge
[15:01] <mjg59> Yes
[15:01] <mjg59> Don't pastebin it
[15:03] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/acpidump.out
[15:07] <mjg59> Hm.
[15:08] <smb> mjg59, Triying to learn a bit more here. What would be the thing to look at?
[15:08] <mjg59> smb: You want the _PSS object
[15:08] <mjg59> It contains the set of ACPI performance states
[15:09] <smb> Ok, seems to be referenced in ssdt2 and dsdt
[15:09] <mjg59> Except it's not actually present in them
[15:09] <mjg59> There's probably a dynamically loaded table
[15:11] <smb> I see... hm
[15:14] <smb> mjg59, That _tss method in ssdt2 looks slightly like setting up something oneshot...
[15:14] <mjg59> _TSS is for T-states, not P-states
[15:21] <smb> mjg59, sigh, quite confusing. It walks through the p-states to build the t-states... or so it looks...
[15:21] <mjg59> Yeah, I'm not sure what it's doing there
[15:35]  * ogra is back from his phonecall
[16:02] <smb> ogra, Unfortunately I seem to be far from understanding what your BIOS does... :(
[16:03] <ogra> well, dont ask me about it either :)
[16:03] <smb> ogra, I won't :)
[16:23] <snakie> Hi, I'm looking for a download location for the .ddeb containing debug information on 2.6.28-12-generic for jaunty. Do any mirrors exist or are the 2.6.30 versions on ddebs.ubuntu.com the only available versions?
[16:35] <apw> i believe ddebs.u.c is the place for those
[16:37] <snakie> yes, do you know where to find older kernel versions as ddebs.u.c only has 2.6.30
[17:40] <cwillu> hey, anyone want to look at a dmesg dump from a laptop that slowly dies after resuming from suspend?
[17:40] <cwillu> 2.6.30rc7 from the mainline kernel ppa
[17:40] <cwillu> http://pastie.org/496676
[17:40] <cwillu> The process that triggers the first oops is varies, but it's always "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at <address>"
[17:40] <cwillu> s/is//
[17:42] <cwillu> I have an ssh open to it, so I can paste additional information, although at this point not much actually runs (dmesg does for instance, new gnome-terminal windows can open, but new bash processes don't start)
[17:42] <johanbr> the disk doesn't come back to life properly?
[17:43] <cwillu> it kinda does
[17:43] <cwillu> it's weird
[17:43] <cwillu> I can resume and use it normally for a while
[17:43] <cwillu> and then things start breaking
[17:43] <cwillu> at which point, any access to the disk seems to hang the process that made the access
[17:44] <cwillu> under our .30 kernel, it hangs almost immediately on resume (on the order of a few seconds to a few minutes).  on mainline, it works for several minutes to several hours
[17:45] <cwillu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/380807 has some info from the -generic kernel
[17:45] <ubot3> Malone bug 380807 in linux "[karmic, intel] Laptop locks up moments after resuming from suspend" [Undecided,New]
[17:48] <pgraner> apw: can you get the bug above [380807] into the Suspend/Resume queue?
[17:48] <cwillu> would ssh access to the box in this state be useful?
[17:48] <pgraner> cwillu: yes don't knock it down just yet
[17:49] <apw> it would be useful to know are able to login to it remotly
[17:49] <cwillu> pgraner, yep, it's still up, and I can reproduce it fairly easily
[17:49] <pgraner> apw: I think he had a ssh up prior to the oops
[17:49] <cwillu> (sec, attaching dmesg to that bug, and then I'll see if I can ssh in a second time)
[17:49] <pgraner> apw: looks like we have mem being mapped into the ether
[17:52] <cwillu> bah, ssh session just died
[17:52] <bjf> pgraner, are we having an IRC meeting tomorrow?
[17:52] <cwillu> desktop session is still up though
[17:53] <cwillu> dmesg is attached to that bug now (same as the pastie)
[17:54] <cwillu> pgraner, if you had one command that you could see the result of, what would it be?  (noting that it may just hang the last remaining terminal I have open)
[17:54] <cwillu> (can still run dmesg, but have no way to copy it elsewhere)
[17:55] <apw> any commands you run,. run in the background fo &
[17:55] <apw> and then if they hang you'll likely keep your shell
[17:55] <cwillu> k
[17:56] <cwillu> wasn't sure if it would lock it up too
[17:56] <apw> it may...
[17:56] <apw> do you have KMS enabled?
[17:56] <cwillu> and... gnome-terminal just died
[17:57] <cwillu> (independently of any other commands, just stopped responding)
[17:57] <apw> damn
[17:57] <pgraner> bjf: we should be meeting, I need to look at the page and see who is chairing it
[17:58] <cwillu> and there goes compiz, although I can still move the mouse :p
[17:58] <bjf> pgraner, I asked because I think I am chairing.
[17:58] <apw> cwillu, so this is triggered by a suspend/resume i assume ?
[17:58] <cwillu> apw, yes, every time
[17:58] <pgraner> bjf: heh, cool. I think just putting out a summary of kernel actions out of UDS would be good.
[17:58] <Sam-I-Am> cwillu: i might recommend using 'netconsole' on the next boot
[17:59] <apw> you don't have an mmc card inserted do you?
[17:59] <cwillu> nope
[17:59] <cwillu> desktop is locked up completely now (no mouse, etc)
[17:59] <apw> mouse too ... hmm
[17:59] <cwillu> sysrq-s hit the disk though
[17:59] <pgraner> cwillu: is this a laptop or desktop?
[17:59] <cwillu> laptop
[17:59] <Sam-I-Am> if you configure netconsole it'll dump all the kernel output to a udp port somewhere... like syslog
[17:59] <cwillu> suspend was rock stable from 7.04 up to 9.04
[18:00] <cwillu> Sam-I-Am, next reboot :)
[18:00] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[18:00] <pgraner> cwillu: 2.6.30 got an overhaul of the suspend/resume subsystem
[18:00] <apw> who was talking about locking issues in -rc6 for suspend?  who told us about that
[18:01] <pgraner> apw: marcel was telling us at UDS
[18:01] <cwillu> apw, I saw a bug about that I think, I might have it open still
[18:01] <apw> cwillu, be good to have any pointers you have found already to save time
[18:02] <pgraner> apw: perhaps and apport-collect to make sure you have everything?
[18:02] <cwillu> pgraner, the attachments on my bug were from apport-collect
[18:03] <cwillu> http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1113/
[18:03] <pgraner> cwillu: cool
[18:03] <cwillu> that's old though
[18:03] <cwillu> january
[18:03] <cwillu> just noticed the date
[18:04] <cwillu> there's 3 vaguely similar bugs on launchpad that I saw, all against 2.6.28 though
[18:04] <cwillu> I'm going to reboot and get it reproducing again
[18:04] <apw> cwillu, looks interesting as i am sure that same routine appears in suspend
[18:05] <apw> and so far i've not seen that change as presented in the kernel
[18:05] <cwillu> do you want me on ubuntu's kernel or mainline's?
[18:05] <cwillu> both have the problem, ubuntu's crashes far quicker though (almost too quickly to do anything with)
[18:06] <cwillu> other interesting datapoints, I _think_ it worked fine while I was still on jaunty with 2.6.30rcX (needed it to work around the ext4 file deletion hanger)
[18:06] <apw> cwillu, so that was with a mainline kernel?  your own build?
[18:06] <cwillu> although you should probably ignore that, I don't remember at all well enough
[18:06] <cwillu> apw, mainline ppa
[18:07] <apw> so that should still be on your machine and testable on karmic too
[18:07] <cwillu> apw, you misunderstood me :p
[18:07] <cwillu> apw, both the mainline ppa kernel and ubuntu's -generic do this
[18:07] <cwillu> that dmesg came from 2.6.30rc7 from the mainline ppa
[18:08] <apw> ok ...
[18:08]  * cwillu reboots into 2.6.30-020630rc7-generic
[18:08] <johanbr> any major differences in userspace suspend between jaunty and karmic?
[18:08] <apw> the patch you pointed to on patchworks is somehow in karmic under a different patch id
[18:08] <apw> johanbr, outside the kernel no, inside some
[18:09] <cwillu> how do I verify that I'm not using kms?
[18:09] <cwillu> I played with plymouth during jaunty's release (as long as I was on 2.6.30 and all that)
[18:09] <apw> unless you have modeset mentioned on your grub command line
[18:09] <cwillu> thought I removed it completely
[18:09] <apw> or in your module options then you don't
[18:09] <apw> it is opt in currently
[18:10] <cwillu> k, should be clear then
[18:11] <johanbr> cwillu: how do you suspend?
[18:11] <cwillu> johanbr, normal suspend
[18:11] <cwillu> not uswsusp or anything like that
[18:25] <apw> cwillu, another good test point would be the tip of linus' tree: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2009-05-30/
[18:25] <cwillu> apw, k, downloading it right now
[18:25] <apw> there are some locking changes for suspend in there, though i think they are meant to be more theoretical to be fair
[18:26] <cwillu> is there an easy way to force a message so I can see if this netconsole is actually working?
[18:26] <apw> hrm
[18:26] <apw> sysrq help might do it
[18:26] <apw> i think the title is always emitted
[18:26] <cwillu> yep
[18:26] <cwillu> good
[18:26] <cwillu> (in the sense of 'it worked')
[18:26] <apw> also worth doing the suspend from vt1, as you may see errors there
[18:27] <cwillu> messages that wouldn't show up in /var/log/{messages/kern.log/syslog/dmesg}?
[18:28] <apw> depending on the nature of the hang they might not get to disk yes
[18:29] <cwillu> the oops that starts to bring things down doesn't necessarily occur right away
[18:30] <cwillu> I'll still try it, I'm just spewing everything I can think of that might be relevant
[18:30] <cwillu> 8 minutes until the download is complete, at which point I'll install,  and then suspend on the current kernel
[18:30] <cwillu> or should I go straight to the daily and see if it reproduces first?
[18:32]  * cwillu pokes apw with an inquisitive stick
[18:32] <apw> i think continue with your test on the current, and then the c-o-d kernel
[18:33] <cwillu> k
[18:39] <cwillu> installing right now
[18:47] <cwillu> suspending from console
[18:48] <cwillu> hard lock
[18:49] <cwillu> 9 segfaults are visible, laptop_mode mostly, and one cpufreq
[18:50] <cwillu> I think I saw another error flash by too
[18:50]  * cwillu reboots and tries that again
[18:50] <cwillu> nothing showed up in the netconsole
[18:50] <cwillu> actually, that's a lie
[18:50] <cwillu> [drm:i915_get_vblank_counter] *ERROR* trying to get vblank count for disabled pipe 0
[18:50] <cwillu> show up
[18:51] <johanbr> cwillu: could you try with the jaunty kernel?
[18:51] <cwillu> johanbr, sure, doing it now
[18:51] <cwillu> (noting that jaunty's kernel has ext4 issues that causes other lockups)
[18:52] <cwillu> (but I shouldn't run into them without deleting files)
[18:55]  * cwillu suspends
[18:56] <cwillu> came back with no errors on the console
[18:56] <cwillu> 2.6.28-10-generic #33
[18:57] <cwillu> netconsole didn't show anything during the suspend, although it's still connected (I did a sysrq-sync before and after, both showed up in the netconsole)
[18:58] <cwillu> johanbr, apw, given my original dmesg, is there anything that jumps out at you as a way to check whether something has gone wrong, even before the system oops?
[18:59] <cwillu> something in /proc/ or /sys/ I could check?
[19:02] <johanbr> Comparison with the dmesg from the jaunty kernel might be interesting
[19:06] <cwillu> I'll post that in a minute
[19:06] <cwillu> just proving to myself that it's stable
[19:06] <cwillu> by playing flash games on casualcollective.com of course :p
[19:13] <cwillu> seems to be fine
[19:13] <cwillu> okay, dmesg
[19:14] <cwillu> http://pastebin.com/f3757f4a5
[19:14] <cwillu> was the original with the fault http://pastie.org/496676
[19:14] <cwillu> (bah, pastie was with fault, pastebin was jaunty's kernel that worked fine)
[19:15]  * cwillu pokes johanbr and apw
[19:15] <cwillu> I'm rebooting into the daily 2.6.30 now
[19:18]  * cwillu suspends current daily kernel
[19:20] <cwillu> dmesg from 2.6.30-999-generic (current daily):  http://pastebin.com/f162d6f02
[19:20] <cwillu> didn't immediately crash, let me test it for a bit again
[19:22] <cwillu> oh, wait
[19:22] <cwillu> an error showed up a second after I pastebin'ed it
[19:23] <cwillu> [  261.585748] EXT4-fs error (device sda1): ext4_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 12206095
[19:23] <cwillu> [  261.585768] Aborting journal on device sda1:8.
[19:23] <cwillu> johanbr, apw:  http://pastebin.com/f5c2ec258 has the latest error included
[19:25] <cwillu> opinions?
[19:26] <cwillu> I'm tempted to remount rw and see if there's any further instability,
[19:28]  * cwillu reboots to fsck and repeat
[19:33] <cwillu> fsck finished, suspending agani
[19:33] <cwillu> well, suspending after rebooting :/
[19:38] <apw> cwillu, hrm. can we get all that info into the bug, and i'll have a look about.  especially the version you are stable on
[19:38] <cwillu> apw, yep.  I'm not completely convinced the last crash was the related, but I'll post the dmesg's
[19:39]  * apw has to pop out ...
[19:39]  * cwillu tackles apw to hold him in the channel :p
[19:52] <cwillu> the daily hasn't done anything odd yet
[19:52] <cwillu> I'm going to keep poking it for a couple hours (longest I've ever had a suspend last and still crash)
[19:56] <cwillu> apw, updated the bug report with jaunty's dmesg
[20:22]  * cwillu suspends again for kicks
[20:23] <cwillu> apw, it's still a little early to be sure, but I've suspended a couple times without rebooting on the daily kernel, and I haven't had any issues except for that first attempt with the ext4 mounting read-only, which may have been related to previous crashes more than the suspend
[20:38] <apw> cwillu, thats encouraging ... if you have an oppotunity to  do say 10 suspends and report back on the bug that would be handy
[20:39] <cwillu> definitely
[20:39]  * cwillu suspends again
[20:41] <cwillu> [ 4022.240004] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [python:8575]
[20:45] <cwillu> lots of b44: eth2: Error, poll already scheduled
[20:46] <cwillu> apw, how likely is it that a daily would have random crashers in it?
[21:22] <cwillu> apw, just completed 20 suspend cycles on the daily, 60 seconds between each resume and the next suspend.  Nothing suspicious shows up in dmesg, I'm posting it to the bug report
[21:36] <colonelqubit> johanbr: hi again. I've had some progress in testing hibernation on my laptop.
[21:38] <johanbr> alright
[21:38] <johanbr> I'm about to head out, but go ahead...
[21:39] <colonelqubit> if I disable splash/quiet and enable no_console_suspend, and hibernate from vt1, and never try to go to vt7 (with X), then hibernation and resume works (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/366264)
[21:39] <ubot3> Malone bug 366264 in linux "[Dell XPS m1530] Resume fails after hibernate/suspend" [Undecided,New]
[21:40] <colonelqubit> I'm getting errors about btusb_intr_complete and btusb_bulk_complete. They appear to have "failed to resubmit"
[21:49] <johanbr> that shouldn't matter very much
[21:49] <colonelqubit> okay
[22:06] <colonelqubit> johanbr: As I said, it appears that I can get hibernation to work properly in vt1, but I can't hibernate from within X or return to X once I've gone though a hibernation cycle. Any suggestions on what I should try testing next?
[22:37] <maxb> It is intentional that ddebs.ubuntu.com only provides karmic ddebs?
[22:38] <cwillu> maxb, I see a bunch of different releases in /dists/
[22:39] <maxb> Sorry, for the kernel I mean
[22:39] <maxb> pool/main/l/linux/ only seems to have karmic packages


[07:48] <fkn_white_male> We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. - #hax @ irc.rizon.net
[07:48] <fkn_white_male> We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. - #hax @ irc.rizon.net
[11:24] <cfhowlett> !ping
[14:53] <zleap> hi
[14:53] <zleap> is there a page from the xubuntu.org website for themes
[14:53] <zleap> please
[14:56] <flocculant> zleap: what do you mean? what do you actually want?
[14:56] <zleap> like desktop themes
[14:56] <zleap> to change look / feel of the gui
[14:56] <flocculant> no there isn't anything at the website
[14:56] <zleap> ah ok
[14:57] <zleap> i did find xfce-look.org
[14:57] <flocculant> we supply the themes that are installed by default
[14:57] <zleap> ah ok
[14:57] <zleap> thanks
[14:57] <zleap> i am slowly converting a few netbooks (about 30) to xubuntu
[14:57] <flocculant> yea - I'd be little help with changing themes - I never bother :)
[14:57] <flocculant> oh cool \o/
[14:57] <zleap> won't be all of them,  but a good few of them
[14:58] <zleap> works really well on the HP mini 110/210 btw
[14:58] <flocculant> nice to know :)
[17:02] <pavlushka> zleap: Way to go, :)
[17:59] <zleap> pavlushka: thanks
[20:31] <pt_lutin> hi everybody !
[20:31] <knome> hello
[20:31] <pt_lutin> I just installed xubuntu on a laptop but i have a problem to connect to internet
[20:31] <pt_lutin> I can't find somme help on google
[20:33] <knome> well if you tell us what your problem is, maybe we can help...
[20:33] <pt_lutin> did anyone can tell me if there a pppoeconf on xubuntu as ubuntu ? It's on version 16.04
[20:33] <pt_lutin> the networkmanager don't work
[20:34] <knome> xubuntu uses the ubuntu repositories, so everything that is on ubuntu is (or can be) on xubuntu
[20:34] <knome> "doesn't work" isn't helpful; you need to be more descriptive
[20:34] <pt_lutin> sorry
[20:35] <pt_lutin> but on the terminal when i do "sudo pppoeconf" I have the message "sudo : pppoeconf : commande not found"
[20:35] <pt_lutin> that's my problem
[20:37] <knome> sudo apt install pppoeconf
[20:39] <pt_lutin> ok, I understood. I think it's the same as ubuntu... and I find it on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[20:39] <knome> yes; xubuntu uses the ubuntu repositories - use a package manager to install the package
[20:40] <pt_lutin> i can't connect the laptop on internet
[20:40] <knome> even with an ethernet cable?
[20:41] <pt_lutin> I have an old modem, with user and password...
[20:41] <pt_lutin> that why I have the problem
[20:43] <edwardmlyte> When can 14.04 users expect to see the 16.04.1 release available to upgrade to?
[20:44] <knome> i have no exact schedule, but should be sooner than later
[20:45] <genii> !ltsupgrade
[20:45] <knome> there we go.
[20:45] <edwardmlyte> perfect! thanks both.
[20:45]  * knome gives genii a moldy cracker to go with coffee
[20:49]  * genii nibbles
[20:59] <doc|work_> hey. I'm setting up 4x1080p screens using displayport daisy chaining. It's recognising that there are 4 screens and overlaying them correctly, but showing them as a single 1080p screen with no resolution options higher than that. Anyone got any suggestions on how to get them recognised as a 4k device?
[22:39] <xubuntu17d> hi! Just finished installing Xubuntu 16.04. I cannot find "Usb start-up disk creator" or "disk manager" or others
[22:39] <xubuntu17d> any idea?
[22:42] <genii> xubuntu17d: The ISO install images have been hybrid images for a while now, just dd is usually required and no bootloader magic like  before