[09:35] <robitaille> !meeting set DocTeam Nov 4 14:00
[09:36] <robitaille> darn,  I'll have to do it manually; the bot is gone


[04:31] <Resistance> what's "Soyuz"?
[04:31]  * Resistance isnt familiar with code names of things :/
[04:52] <spm> Resistance: Soyuz is the 'code name' given to all things related to the build system side of launchpad. the PPA's being one of the visible results of that.
[04:52] <Resistance> i see
[05:20] <Resistance> spm:  any idea why i'd have a Soyuz image/identifier next to Ubuntu on my LP profile?
[05:21]  * Resistance requested a sync of a package, but other than that, and some patches, has no clue why he'd have a Soyuz image
[05:25] <spm> Resistance: not sure; what's your profile ID, I'll have a poke?
[05:26] <Resistance> spm:  https://launchpad.net/~trekcaptainusa-tw
[05:29] <spm> Ahhh. as a wag, it's because you've submitted packages to Ubuntu.
[05:29] <Resistance> "submitted packages to ubuntu"...
[05:29] <Resistance> where does that show up?
[05:29]  * Resistance hasnt actually submitted any packages to ubuntu, to his knowledge)
[05:29] <spm> not that then.
[05:30] <spm> I'm guessing here. I don't actually know.
[05:30] <Resistance> all of my packages end up in my PPAs, not in main/universe/multiverse
[05:30] <Resistance> *shrugs*
[05:30] <Resistance> i'll ask a question against launchpad about it if I think its necessary
[05:30] <Resistance> otherwise idk
[05:30] <spm> throw in an answers query to LP itself; one of the devs should be able to answer.
[05:31] <spm> looking at my own; it's doing an accurate job of indicating which areas of various projects I work in; code vs bugs vs answers; or mixes of all.
[05:32] <Resistance> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/184233
[05:32] <Resistance> hopefully i'll get an answer :P:
[05:33] <Resistance> :P *
[05:34] <nigelb> Resistance: did you do something for backports?
[05:35] <nigelb> Or maybe PPAs count
[05:36] <Resistance> nigelb:  i requested backports from Precise to natty-backports and oneiric-backports, but those are individual projects...
[05:36] <Resistance> s/are individual/are listed as individual/
[05:37] <Resistance> nigelb:  i dont see how my PPAs would impact the Ubuntu project, either...
[05:37] <nigelb> Ubuntu project on LP is "complicated"
[05:37] <Resistance> indeed it is
[05:37] <Resistance> hence the question i posted
[05:37] <nigelb> PPAs are part of it somehow. The people who can explain it are probably still waking up in Budapest ;-)
[05:38] <Resistance> well i'll check in the morning for any answers
[05:38] <Resistance> tis 00:38 here, and i'm horridly tired (need to be up at 07:15)
[05:40] <Resistance> i'm actually waiting for a patch i submitted to Debian to be processed for a bug...
[05:40] <Resistance> their systems are evil
[09:59] <skunkos> hi guys
[09:59] <skunkos> i need some answers, if posibble
[09:59] <jelmer> skunkos: hi
[09:59] <skunkos> i develop with some guys this, http://code.google.com/p/rss-guard/
[10:00] <czajkowski> mrevell: morning
[10:00] <skunkos> we are using standard qt-utilitues to translate -> and we can generate po and pot files
[10:00] <skunkos> is it ok if i upload to our launchpad project page just one PO file per lanuage?
[10:01] <skunkos> btw we are using this to convert qt-ts files into po or pot files http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/ts2po
[10:15] <binki> does anyone know if bazaar.launchpad.net will automatically ban an IP temporarily if there are a lot of SSH authentication filures?
[10:25] <mrevell> czajkowski, Morning
[10:28] <czajkowski> mrevell: sprint going well
[10:29] <mrevell> czajkowski, Pretty well!
[10:29] <czajkowski> mrevell: sweet
[10:29] <czajkowski> rather quiet in here without you lot
[10:30] <mrevell> heh :)
[10:30] <wolfgangbr1> Hi, not sure if somebody can help me here with a question or if I should rather raise that in the answers tracker first.
[10:30] <mrevell> wolfgangbr1, What's the question?
[10:31] <wolfgangbr1> We had an unusual amount of traffic from our IP address yesterday and now we can't access launchpad any more
[10:31] <wolfgangbr1> not sure if we are blacklisted somewhere
[10:31] <wgrant> webops: ^^
[10:31] <mrevell> webops is that something you can help wolfgangbr1 investigate?
[10:31] <mrevell> wgrant,  :)
[10:31] <binki> it's just access to bazaar.launchpad.net
[10:32] <mthaddon> wolfgangbr1: what's the IP address?
[10:32] <mthaddon> wolfgangbr1: and do you know why there was so much traffic to LP from your IP address?
[10:32] <binki> his IRC hostname, <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:33] <mthaddon> (most likely you were blacklisted, but I'll confirm)
[10:33] <wolfgangbr1> thanks for letting us know
[10:33] <binki> we're behind a NAT and were setting multiple people up with bazaar, so probably it looks like quite a few ssh authentication failures from our IP
[10:33] <poolie> mrevell, losa, did you hear of these reports of problems uploading to ppas?
[10:34] <mthaddon> poolie: which problems?
[10:34] <wgrant> poolie: Which reports?
[10:34] <wgrant> And indeed which problems
[10:34] <poolie> barry came up and said "we can't upload anything to ppas"
[10:35] <poolie> (i think barry)
[10:35] <poolie> i guess if there is an actual problem someone will ask here
[10:35] <mthaddon> there was an FDT rollout earlier today, so PPAs would have been down for about 5 minutes
[10:57] <jango> Hello! I have a question concerning translation teams. I startet a translation template for Tomdroid with open access for everybody some time ago and now already 30 people contributed. To get them on a mailing list, i created the group tomdroid-translatoins. Is it now possible to assign the group to the translation?
[10:59] <jango> I also thought of changing the translation policy from open to structured to get proper reviewing from the tomdoid-translators.
[11:01] <jango> In the help page you suggest to assign a existing translation group in this case. But what happens then to the already contributing people. they will loose access to the translations until they also join the group?
[11:04] <wolfgangbr1> mthaddon: is there any more information you need from my side?
[11:06] <mthaddon> wolfgangbr1: a bit more info on why there were so many connections would be helpful
[11:08] <wolfgangbr1> we are having more people than normal working from that IP address for the next week or two. So it was on purpose but will be back to much less traffic after that. It just happened that we had to create a number of branches yesterday.
[11:10] <mthaddon> wolfgangbr1: ok, you should now be unblocked
[11:10] <wolfgangbr1> brilliant, thank you so much
[15:14] <dobey> the new "nominate for series" behavior is really annoying, and seems to make it easy to result in an OOPS, by trying to nominate the series for all affected packages in Ubuntu, that are added to a bug :-/
[15:50]  * mneptok nominates Albuquerque, New Mexico as the venue for the next LP sprint
[15:50] <mneptok> not only is it convenient for me, but - http://www.launchpadrocks.com/
[15:57] <dobey> mneptok: ooh. UME is playing there on feb 28 it seems.
[15:57] <dobey> or Ume rather i guess is the correct capitalization
[16:19] <skunkos> how long it takes to confirm manually uploaded file?
[16:20] <skunkos> it is ONE DAY now
[16:38] <kamal> hi #launchpad.   Yesterday one of my PPA builds froze up and sat idle (no build log output at all) for 14 hours, so I clicked the "Cancel build" button on it.  Now its been stuck in the "Cancelling build" state for many hours:   https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/unixcw/+build/3081838
[16:39] <kamal> Where's the "Cancel the build cancellation" button?   ;-)
[16:41] <bigjools> kamal: one moment
[16:53] <bigjools> kamal: fixed
[16:53] <kamal> bigjools: thanks very much!
[17:54] <cgregan> Hello Launchpad team. I have a new team on LP and need to make it's mailing list private since we will be discussing internal Canonical accounts and projects. How do I go about setting that?
[17:57] <kirkland> is the "known issue with code hosting" related to the 1-2KB/s speeds I'm getting on bzr checkouts?
[20:09] <pmatulis> is there a tool to add a launchpad-based ssh public key to an authorized_keys file?
[20:12] <EvilResistance> launchpad based ssh public key...?
[20:13] <EvilResistance> you mean like these?  https://launchpad.net/~trekcaptainusa-tw/+sshkeys
[20:13] <EvilResistance> (those are mine btw)
[20:14] <pmatulis> EvilResistance: is there something wrong?
[20:15] <pmatulis> disregard, the tool i'm looking for has been located (ssh-import-id)
[20:16] <kirkland> pmatulis: that's a good one ;-)
[20:16] <EvilResistance> well i was going to say just copy-paste them in, but meh
[20:16] <pmatulis> kirkland: ;)
[20:18] <pmatulis> kirkland: what if the target user has multiple keys?
[20:19] <EvilResistance> is there some sort of huge backlog with the PPA builders?
[20:20] <kirkland> pmatulis: it imports all of them
[20:20] <pmatulis> kirkland: gah!
[20:20] <EvilResistance> i've got to release a patched package that addresses a vulnerability in my PPA's versions, and its sort of... well... saying it'll take 20 hours
[20:21] <kirkland> pmatulis: gah?
[20:22] <pmatulis> kirkland: well i don't want all of them
[20:22] <kirkland> pmatulis: how would you specify which one you want?
[20:22] <pmatulis> kirkland: that's the question
[20:23] <kirkland> pmatulis: i don't see a clean way to do it;  however, if you find one, send a patch/branch to lp:ssh-import
[20:23] <pmatulis> kirkland: some kind of interactivity i suppose
[20:25] <dobey> pmatulis: you would need the key fingerprint to do that. at which point, you don't need the import tool :)
[20:25] <dobey> or i guess interactive list, sure
[21:30] <iceroot> hi
[21:31] <iceroot> can someone please have a look at this account  https://launchpad.net/~7aoyaz9
[21:31] <dobey> iceroot: what about it?
[21:31] <iceroot> i guess something in launchpad is not working correctly, when i login with my normal account "michael-alpha-unix" launchpad is mapping it to that strange account
[21:32] <iceroot> https://launchpad.net/~michael-alpha-unix that is my real account
[21:32] <dobey> iceroot: did you make the 7ao... account?
[21:32] <iceroot> dobey: no
[21:33] <dobey> iceroot: what e-mail address are you logging in with?
[21:33] <iceroot> dobey: when i login with the credentials from michael-alpha-unix launchpad is saying "you are now being logged in as Michael Basse"
[21:33] <iceroot> dobey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:33] <iceroot> dobey: i changed the adress 2 weeks ago to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:33] <iceroot> but the error i am talking about is only since today
[21:34] <dobey> iceroot: that address points at the weird account, and ubuntu@ points at your new account
[21:34] <dobey> err s/new//
[21:34] <iceroot> dobey: i cant login with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:34] <iceroot> dobey: only with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:34] <dobey> iceroot: why not? have you not verified it as your e-mail?
[21:34] <iceroot> dobey: of course i did
[21:35] <iceroot> dobey: also launchpad is sendin all bugmails to ubuntu@
[21:36] <mwhudson> iceroot: what happens when you try to log in with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?  can you do password recovery for that address?
[21:37] <iceroot> mwhudson: i am trying it ath the moment
[21:41] <iceroot> mwhudson: still waiting for the recovery-mail (2 minutes) i think i will wait some more time, maybe the system is busy at the moment
[21:41] <mwhudson> sometimes they don't get through :/
[21:41] <mwhudson> still that's usually a problem with spam filters on services like yahoo
[21:41] <iceroot> mwhudson: i am my own provider and postfix is showing nothing in the logs
[21:41] <iceroot> even no grey-listing-action
[21:41] <mwhudson> yeah
[21:44] <iceroot> is it possible for someone to have a look if<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is a registered adress for the launchpad-id "michael-alpha-unix"
[21:45] <mwhudson> iceroot: it is, yes
[21:46] <dobey> that is what i see, and the michael@ for the other odd account
[21:46] <iceroot> dobey: strange where the other accounts came from, i only have one account
[21:47] <dobey> i wonder if it got created, because you changed your e-mail, and then logged in with the old one, which no longer had an LP account, so one got created for you
[21:47] <mwhudson> i don't think lp creates usernames like ~7aoyaz9 though
[21:48] <iceroot> dobey: the error happened after i switched back from "privacy mode" in firefox
[21:48] <dobey> i can't imagine any other explanation though
[21:48] <iceroot> launchpad was asking for my credentials, i was using the old adress, posting on bugs and was confused why my sendername is this strange name
[21:49] <dobey> which leads me to the hypothesis i just made :)
[21:49] <mwhudson> iceroot: i think you should probably dump all the details on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[21:49] <mwhudson> (with whichever account you can log in with :/)
[21:50] <dobey> just ask for the weird account to be merged into your proper account
[21:50] <iceroot> mwhudson: dobey thank you for the help, i will fill up the infos tomorow, now i have to play OoT 3D :)
[21:50] <mwhudson> hah
[21:50] <mwhudson> that sounds more fun
[21:51] <iceroot> mwhudson: sometimes working on launchpad is also fun :)
[21:51] <dobey> i need to figure out why twisted is hating me now :-/
[21:51] <mwhudson> iceroot: more fun that debugging weird auth issues i meant :)
[21:51] <iceroot> mwhudson: of course :)
[22:31] <MikeIvanov> hi, I am currently experiencing the GPG verification failure issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/798957
[22:32] <MikeIvanov> although my upload is ACTUALLY being rejected
[22:33] <MikeIvanov> spoke too soon, looks like they were accepted, with a pretty long delay
[22:33] <soren> MikeIvanov: Do you get a rejection e-mail?
[22:33] <soren> Ah, ok.
[22:33] <soren> I too am seeing that issue again.
[22:35] <MikeIvanov> soren: no email for a while, then accepted emails just now.  thanks
[22:52] <mpodroid> Hi all, I jut got GPG signature verification error with dput
[22:52] <mpodroid> reporting here as suggestedat https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/798957/comments/24


[08:08] <itrekkie> #tilaunchpad
[13:56] <saiarcot895> Hi. Are launchpad translations under a particular license?
[13:58] <dobey> i think they are required to be BSD
[14:14] <ScottK> Although they are automatically imported in some cases from upstreams with different licenses, so if it really matters, you need to check if it originated elsewhere.
[16:03] <saiarcot895> Just to check, which version of the BSD does it use (original BSD, new BSD, etc.)?
[16:04] <saiarcot895> As far as I know, GPL isn't compatible with the original BSD, but is with the other forms
[17:15] <ersi> AFAIK GPL is compatible with 2-Clause-BSD and 3-Clause-BSD but not 4-Clause-BSD (ie OpenSSL et all)
[22:22] <aleb> ersi, FYI you suggested to hang out with #ubuntu-bugs, but since three days ago nobody replied to my requests in #ubuntu-bugs of marking https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pitivi/+bug/594658 as won't fix (as 0.13 is not supported anymore). I'll contact jcastro per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl#Requirements_for_Individuals


[19:16] <MrKeuner> nemo, I thought that was Ubuntu's fault but you may be right, I'll suggest him check for a bios firmware update
[19:16] <zhurai> zhurai> VMware install notes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/142973/
 didn't go too well post install   <--  no desktop shown,  only panels (useable), apt-check opening _a lot_ of windows, nautilus crash
[19:16] <nemo> MrKeuner: well. just thinking could be an APM/ACPI compatibility issue
[19:16] <zhurai> >_>
[19:16] <nemo> MrKeuner: could look his laptop model up, ubuntu has some compatibility pages, and there is linux on laptops
[19:17] <MrKeuner> nemo, I seldomly find there the specific laptop I am looking for
[19:18]  * zhurai is totally ignored :|
[19:20] <zhurai> oh and
[19:20] <zhurai> computer info
[19:20] <zhurai> Compaq Presario
[19:20] <zhurai> C771US Notebook PC
[19:20] <nemo> zhurai: don't get what your question is
[19:20] <zhurai> on VMware workstationn 6.5
[19:20] <zhurai> err
[19:20] <zhurai> z.z I'm asking what's all the apt-checks for
[19:21] <zhurai> and why is it crashing (?) nautilius (sp?)
[19:21] <zhurai> *nautilus
[19:24] <zhurai> hmp
[19:25] <zhurai> after I say ok to the crash message
[19:25] <zhurai> all the other windows of apt-check disappeared
[19:25] <zhurai> ...and then the computer  (VM) goes uber slow
[19:26] <Ienorand> zhurai: Try unmounting the iso of the vm
[19:26] <Ienorand> zhurai: Or run "sudo apt-get remove libbrasero-media0"
[19:29] <zhurai_> ok...weird
[19:29] <zhurai_> just weird
[19:29] <zhurai_> ...
 zhurai: Try unmounting the iso of the vm <-- it is unmounted
[19:30] <zhurai_> another thing.... after it showed the crash message
[19:30] <zhurai_> well
[19:30] <zhurai_> VMware was grabbing my mouse
[19:30] <zhurai_> and then VMware crashed
[19:30] <zhurai_> making it I couldn't switch to another tty to kill it >_<
[19:32] <zhurai_> I hope that those errors doesn't happen when I try to install it on my real computer....
[19:32] <zhurai_> ...
[19:32] <dan457> Unlikely
[19:32] <zhurai_> O_o my old connection didn't die -_-
[19:32] <zhurai_> ^ kay
[19:33] <Ienorand> zhurai_: Is that a livecd you're using or an installed system?
 zhurai_: Is that a livecd you're using or an installed system? <-- I ran VMware, made new VM, used the desktop beta live CD on it, installed it (no errors), then restarted, unmounted iso, then that happened
[19:36] <zhurai_> ...and I'm hella lagging
[19:36] <zhurai_> z.z
[19:37] <Halow> 0
[19:38] <Ienorand> zhurai_: Hmm, do you have the "nautilus show_desktop" value in gconf  set to false?
[19:38] <zhurai_> no idea z.z
[19:38] <zhurai_> it didn't let me -do- anything
[19:38] <zhurai_> ...and I'm going to have to reinstall, cause if I run it again, it's going to crash VMware again O_o
[19:39] <Ienorand> zhurai_: can you use alt-F2 and run gnome-terminal?
[19:39] <zhurai_> like I said earlier, after nautilus crashed, it crashed VMware somehow, and since VMware was holding my keys+mouse, I had to restart the whole computer
[19:40] <Ienorand> zhurai_: If you want I could send you a reasonably working vmware config file which I've used for jaunty...
[19:41] <zhurai_> eh, sure.. but I'll still reinstall it (shouldn't take long) once I get home
[19:45] <Ienorand> zhurai_: Ok
[20:09] <topyli> hmmm does the inbuilt evolution mail-notification work? for me it does make a sound but doesn't display an icon in the notification area
[20:10] <burg> hello. do you know if 9.04 will fix the issue with nvidia 8200 chipset?
[20:13] <Ienorand> burg: what issue?, bug link? symptoms?
[20:14] <burg> i can not install, it crashes
[20:15] <Jimi_Neutral> HI all, i just installed 9.04 and everything was fine until i went to log in and got this message http://paste.ubuntu.com/143027/
[20:15] <aapzak> hmmm that kinda sucks
[20:16] <Jimi_Neutral> and guess what this is my first time installing linux
[20:16] <Jimi_Neutral> well second by the first was for work this is for me
[20:16] <aapzak> I do some major upgrading, switching from ubuntu to kubuntu and vice versa, never had that particular problem
[20:16] <Jimi_Neutral> i did notice that when it was finished and it said to take disc out and restart a load of error codes popped up on the screen real quick
[20:16] <burg> 8.10 crashes. as for 8.04 and/or 7.10 , i can install it, but after i install nvidia driver, i can only see black screen
[20:17] <burg> plus: shut down is giving error in 8.10
[20:17] <Jimi_Neutral> so is there anything i can do or is it pretty much start all over again
[20:18] <aapzak> Jimi_Neutral: almost anything can be fixed, but if you're new to this and you don't have any important data, you might want to just reinstall
[20:19] <Jimi_Neutral> aapzak, i have an xp installation on one of the partitions
[20:19] <LordKow> and dont use jaunty until it's released if this is your first time using linux.
[20:20] <Jimi_Neutral> ok i was told to i might as well use it
[20:20] <LordKow> i will slap whoever told you that
[20:20] <holdenss> lol
[20:20] <Jimi_Neutral> hmm ok well that doesnt matter now, i just wanna get this sorted
[20:20] <burg> so you have no idea. then, the only thing i can do is wait 3 more weeks and then test it myself
[20:20] <aapzak> LordKow: jaunty beta is pretty good, isn't it? Don't know the installer though
[20:21] <LordKow> aapzak, um. it's test software. i would never ever never ever ever ever ever recommend it to someone using linux for the first time.
[20:21] <Jimi_Neutral> so download hardy and start again?
[20:21] <topyli> Jimi_Neutral: intrepid is current stable
[20:21] <LordKow> Jimi_Neutral, i would recommend intrepid.
[20:21] <cwillu> Jimi_Neutral, intrepid probably
[20:22] <topyli> aapzak: jaunty is broken
[20:22] <Jimi_Neutral> well i am using intrepid server at work...dont ask, too much to explain, but its not an LTS is it
[20:22] <LordKow> no but it is still supported.
[20:22] <cwillu> Jimi_Neutral, whoever told you that you might as well use jaunty "because it's practically released" needs a good slap upside the head :)
[20:23] <LordKow> just not for as long of time as intrepid. you can keep upgrading to the latest supported version. ie when jaunty comes out you can upgrade from intrepid->jaunty and then keep getting the support.
[20:23] <Jimi_Neutral> lol ok, so i guess download interpid it is then, im glad i got a fast connection
[20:23]  * cwillu offers head upside slapping services at low monthly rates
[20:23] <LordKow> the amount of updates in the last couple of days should be a good indicator of how far away from release-ready jaunty is.
[20:23] <LordKow> kernel freeze hasn't even occurred yet... if it has then it was only within the last couple of days.
[20:24] <aapzak> a kernel a day :)
[20:24] <burg> thanks for help, guys
[20:25] <aapzak> burg, we did not help you at all, did we?
[20:25] <aapzak> any jaunty kde users here?
[20:26] <burg> aapzak: well noticed
[20:26] <aapzak> I keep on installing it, but after a short while I find myself removing it, I used to be a genuine kde fanboy ... whats going on?
[20:27] <Jimi_Neutral> thanks guys, downloading....again....now
[20:27] <aapzak> burg: your question was not really clear to me, and you're discussing < 9.04 ubuntu I guess
[20:27] <aapzak> burg: this is the 9.04 channel atm
[20:28] <ghindo> aapzak: KDE4 came along?
[20:28]  * ghindo shrugs
[20:28] <aapzak> :D
[20:29] <aapzak> I'm very sorry to say that I'm removing kde again :(
[20:29] <burg> aapzak: yeah, that`s why i asked if i can install 9.04 on a pc with nvidia 8200 chipset or there will still be compatibility issues
[20:29] <aapzak> burg: ah! I jumped in after that :)
[20:30] <macsim> hi, am I the only one who can't play .m3u files in rythmbox ?
[20:30] <burg> aapzak: well, do you have any idea?
[20:30] <aapzak> burg: I'm sorry
[20:31] <MTecknology> !76 is <reply>System 76 offers some free material such as flyers and stickers. http://knowledge76.com/index.php/76er_Program
[20:31] <zhurai> Ienorand> zhurai_: If you want I could send you a reasonably working vmware config file which I've used for jaunty...    <-- sure, if you are there still, I had to go to the next class
[20:31] <Ienorand> burg: are you seeing this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/342926 by any chance? (how much memory do you have, what version 32/64bit?)
[20:32] <aapzak> burg: is there a report on 8200 not being compatible?
[20:33] <zhurai> >.>>
[20:33] <zhurai> ff
[20:33] <aapzak> there was a similar remark on the intel chipset I'm using, thatone seems to be working fine, I just tried it
[20:34] <burg> i tried to install and failed. and i googled and find out from forums that many people with my chipset got the same problem
[20:35] <aapzak> I wonder how they fix that before the release
[20:37] <Ienorand> Whoever asked for the config file (can't find nickname): http://www.mibbit.com/up/KxPUyXIF.vmx You will have to manually create the empty disk file to accompany it, and set CD mount...
[20:44] <Jaymac> are there any issues with the partition resizer in the  beta cd?
[20:44] <Jaymac> a quick google didn't locate any... but this is the 3rd time i've attempted to install on a new laptop in a dual bootup setup and the partition resizer hasn't moved from 0% in the last 20 minutes
[20:46] <Jaymac> never mind it just jumped to 100%
[20:55] <benste> did someone manage to get skype working again?
[20:55] <benste> mine goes up to nearly 100% cpu on testcall and auto smalls the record volume
[21:00] <Halow> benste: The only way I ever get Skype to behave well is to use it with pasuspender. It refuses to play nicely with pulseaudio after a few minutes for me.
[21:01] <benste> Halow it worked fine with pulse and 8.10 but how can I use this pasuspender - and what is that?
[21:03] <Halow> benste: For me it was funny in the beginning of the Intrepid cycle, started working, worked OK in most of alpha and now doesn't. But when I launch Skype I run it in terminal as "pasuspender skype". That will pause pulseaudio until you close Skype (or the terminal).
[21:03] <[MindVirus]> Hi. I am not getting direct rendering on an Intel 945GME. Any suggestions?
[21:04] <benste> halow, thanks for the idea but that's no solution for me cause I'm running skype and otther apps all the time ;-)
[21:04] <benste> ok I'll come back tomorrow
[21:05] <Halow> Heh. Usually the same for me too. Been trying to talk people into using Ekiga forever now, which doesn't give me those problems. =/
[21:05] <[MindVirus]> Any suggestions?
[21:06] <topyli> [MindVirus]: intel drivers are funky right now
[21:06] <[MindVirus]> topyli, yeah?
[21:06] <topyli> yeah
[21:06] <Halow> [MindVirus]: It did work for me with UXA... for a while. Then didn't.
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> UXA?
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> topyli, when will they be unfunky?
[21:07] <topyli> who knows! :)
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> When is the "funk" status going to be dropped?
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> I see.
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> Halow, how do I use this mystical UXA?
[21:07] <Halow> [MindVirus]: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6668996
[21:07] <topyli> [MindVirus]: fix it :)
[21:07] <[MindVirus]> I've never done driver dev.
[21:08] <[MindVirus]> I'd be happy to help if I could.
[21:08] <Halow> It started crashing X randomly, so I quit using it. Had to get a new card for dual monitors, so I haven't been keeping up with it.
[21:09] <[MindVirus]> What is UXA?
[21:16] <marlun> Why does the php5 package depend on libapache2-mod-php5? What if I don't want to use apache isn't it very unnecessary?
[21:17] <cwillu> marlun, php5 is a metapackage. What are you planning on deploying against?
[21:17] <cwillu> (well, not really a meta-package, but it's not the only way of installing php afaik)
[21:18] <marlun> cwillu: lighttpd
[21:21] <GSMX> marlun: php5-common ?
[21:22] <GSMX> oh, that's an example pack :P
[21:23] <cwillu> marlun, my bad, php5 depends on one of libapache2-mod-php5, libapache2-mod-php5filter or php5-cgi
[21:23] <cwillu> any one of those will satisfy the dependencies
[21:24] <[MindVirus]> UXA is not ready.
[21:24] <[MindVirus]> Definitely not.
[21:24] <marlun> cwillu: Ah, much better. Added php5-cgi to the aptitude install and it didn't add the apache stuff :) Thanks!
[21:25] <cwillu> [MindVirus], yes, that's exactly what the beta release notes say
[21:25] <[MindVirus]> I know.
[21:25] <cwillu> Jaunty is not released.  Definitely not :p
[21:26] <[MindVirus]> How do I enable EXA?
[21:26] <cwillu> having said that, I've found the xorg edgers repository more stable with an intel 945gm in uxa
[21:26] <cwillu> [MindVirus], uxa isn't enabled by default afaik
[21:27] <[MindVirus]> I know.
[21:27] <cwillu> you're running exa if you didn't explicitly change it (although check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to be sure, it'll have references to one or the other
[21:27] <[MindVirus]> Seems to be EXA.
[21:27] <[MindVirus]> but everything is tired and slow.
[21:27] <cwillu> yes, known bug
[21:27] <[MindVirus]> It doesn't seem like direct rendering.
[21:27] <cwillu> try uxa :p
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> I did...
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> It explodes.
[21:28] <cwillu> -generic kernel?
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> No.
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> Eeepc.
[21:28] <cwillu> -server?
[21:28] <cwillu> so, -generic kernel...
[21:28] <[MindVirus]> I guess.
[21:29] <cwillu> the UxaTesting page on the wiki might have some useful info listed, and again, I've had success with xorg-edgers, but the eeepc I'm responsible for is out of the province for another month, so I can't do much testing on it yet :(
[21:30] <cwillu> bug #303011 might have some more useful information too
[21:30] <cwillu> (you know a bug is encountered often when you've memorized the number :p)
[21:33] <aapzak> anyone, is /etc/resolv.conf a link or a file?
[21:33] <cwillu> aapzak, ls -l /etc/resolv.conf will tell you
[21:33] <boby> ned help
[21:33] <aapzak> :)
[21:34] <cwillu> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2009-01-20 22:49 /etc/resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
[21:34] <boby> my mic doesn't work in skype but it work in audacity
[21:34] <boby> I have laptop HP6735b and kubuntu 8.10 upgraded to 9.04
[21:34] <aapzak> cwillu: great, thanks, mine is a regular file, probably explains why my ppp dns is not being used
[21:34] <cwillu> heh
[21:35] <cwillu> boby, did you have to do anything in intrepid to get it to work, or did it just work out of the box with a completely stock configuration?
[21:36] <[MindVirus]> I'm going through the suggestionss.
[21:36] <[MindVirus]> *suggestions
[21:36] <boby> i did't try it while it was 8.10 ver if that is what you ask
[21:36] <[MindVirus]> Setting the card to 666 didn't help.
[21:36] <boby> sorry my english is poor
[21:36] <cwillu> [MindVirus], probably best to read all the comments before you start trying anything
[21:36] <[MindVirus]> I am.
[21:37] <cwillu> the permissions on dri, for instance, was fixed already :p
[21:37] <aapzak> cwillu: that was it, thanks
[21:37] <boby> I have upgraded my kubuntu with alternate cd
[21:37] <cwillu> boby, any chance you could get an intrepid cd and test if it worked there?
[21:37] <cwillu> wait, skype...
[21:38] <boby> I have interpis dvd
[21:38] <cwillu> boby, you'll need to look on pulseaudio's site about how to configure skype to use it properly
[21:38] <boby> interpid
[21:38] <boby> ok
[21:39] <eternal_p> good afternoon all..I apparently am running openjdk as my java version, I would rather switch that for the actual sun java, although I am not too sure what to apt-get remove and apt-get install.....
[21:39] <eternal_p> (64-bit)
[21:39] <caeroe> hmm seems like an update fixed the freezing gnome panel, i just ran it and restarted, didn't even look  :)
[21:43] <aapzak> byebye guys, sleep time
[21:45] <Tumie> is the server beta, fully compactable with a LAMP server ??
[21:49] <imachine> sup, anyone can't update ekiga?
[21:50] <imachine> I have it in the updates manager, but it's unchecked, and I can't check it.
[21:50] <imachine> checkbox it.
[21:50] <imachine> whatever.
[21:50] <imachine> ;)
[21:51] <larsemil> using kubuntu i have a problem with some plasmoids suddenly not working
[21:54] <spaceBARbarian> spaceBARbarian: in the volume control panel is there a way to bind the volume of one stream to another ?
[21:54] <cwillu> woot, bisect complete!
[21:54] <cwillu> take that, ext4-hanging-the-system-bug
[21:55] <bjsnider> i don't know that there are any ext4 bugs
[21:55] <cwillu> bjsnider, there are, I can tell you the patch that caused it even :p
[21:56] <cwillu> bug #330824
[21:56] <bjsnider> yes but why would files be deleted from the root partition?
[21:57] <cwillu> bjsnider, why would you delete files?  are you really asking that?
[21:57] <cwillu> it's not files in /
[21:57] <ghindo> I'm still experiencing the laptop hard drive issue from previous ubuntu releases - the hard drive head parks way too often.  Is anybody else experiencing this?
[21:57] <cwillu> it's files anywhere in an ext4filesystem
[21:57] <bjsnider> from home, not from root
[21:57] <[MindVirus]> Will Intel drivers be ready for the release?
[21:58] <cwillu> bjsnider, you don't install and remove packages?
[21:58] <bjsnider> sure i do
[21:59] <spaceBARbarian> anyone know how i can bind my laptop volume buttons to two separate devices ? for some reason ubuntu has the headphone jack and internal speakers show up on separate devices
[22:00] <bjsnider> pulseaudio can send audio to two devices at once
[22:00] <cwillu> spaceBARbarian, set the volume control to pcm out or equivilent, not the particular output device
[22:01] <spaceBARbarian> cwillu: thanks that worked
[22:03] <cwillu> UBUNTU: SAUCE: (revert before 2.6.28.y update) [PATCH] ext4: don't use blocks freed but not yet committed in buddy cache init
[22:03] <cwillu> UBUNTU: SAUCE: (revert before 2.6.28.y update) [PATCH] ext4: Use EXT4_GROUP_INFO_NEED_INIT_BIT during resize
[22:03] <cwillu> UBUNTU: SAUCE: (revert before 2.6.28.y update) [PATCH] ext4: cleanup mballoc header files
[22:03] <[MindVirus]> Will Intel drivers be ready for the release?
[22:03] <cwillu> one of those is the cause
[22:04] <cwillu> [MindVirus], firm maybe
[22:04] <[MindVirus]> Maybe?
[22:04] <cwillu> [MindVirus], you saw the bug report, it's being worked on, what more can I tell you?
[22:04] <[MindVirus]> Can you link to it again?
[22:04] <cwillu> launchpad and/or the mailing lists are more authoritative than this channel :p
[22:05] <cwillu> bug #303011
[22:05] <bjsnider> driver poor performance hahaha
[22:05] <bjsnider> that's a good one
[22:07] <[MindVirus]> What about my Firefox plugins? They don't seem to work at all.
[22:07] <[MindVirus]> Flash, video player.
[22:07] <bjsnider> hahahaaa
[22:07] <bjsnider> does anything related tot he intel driver work?
[22:07] <bjsnider> pity the intel folks
[22:07] <[MindVirus]> Well, I have a desktop.
[22:07] <cwillu> bjsnider, uxa works fine on my 945
[22:08] <bjsnider> cwillu, hold on a minute
[22:08] <bjsnider> cwillu, uxa is now enabled by default in jaunty? i read that was not the case
[22:08] <[MindVirus]> It isn't, but GEM is.
[22:08] <cwillu> bjsnider, didn't say it was
[22:08] <[MindVirus]> Whatever GEM is.
[22:08] <cwillu> replacement video memory manager
[22:09] <bjsnider> graphics execution manager. uses the kernel to manage graphcis memory
[22:10] <bjsnider> cwillu, if uxa isn't enabled by default then how is joe six-pack supposed to make use o' it?
[22:10] <cwillu> bjsnider, add AccelMethod "UXA" to an otherwise spartan xorg.conf?
[22:10] <spaceBARbarian> whats a good lightweight IDE for some systems programming ?
[22:10] <cwillu> bjsnider, you asked if anything related to intel works, and I named one thing that works :)
[22:10] <cwillu> uxa, on my system :p
[22:11] <bjsnider> cwillu, gotcha. at least there's that.
[22:11] <bjsnider> spaceBARbarian, visual studio
[22:11] <cwillu> bjsnider, there's progress being made on it
[22:13] <josh-l> okay big problem here... i've had to power down manually, because i've been getting lock ups cursor still moves, but nonthing else is functional (kubuntu jaunty)
[22:13] <josh-l> help?
[22:14] <josh-l> how can i find out whats going on? a log somewhere?
[22:14] <josh-l> this only started happening today
[22:17] <bjsnider> josh-l, your browser problems of last night would have been solved by today's updates
[22:17] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: isnt that for windows ?
[22:17] <spaceBARbarian> i was thinking geany
[22:17] <josh-l> bjsnider: right that was solved, but this current problem is worse
[22:17] <bjsnider> spaceBARbarian,  what's your point?
[22:18] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: you want me to use wine ?
[22:19] <bjsnider> spaceBARbarian, you can use windows in a virtual machine
[22:19] <josh-l> huh my problem might be related kwalletmanager... i get a crash notification every time i shutdown my machine and log back in
[22:19] <bjsnider> youneed one anyway to make sure your software runs on all platforms
[22:20] <bjsnider> josh-l, file a bug
[22:20] <josh-l> bjsnider: is it possible its causing this disaterous lock up?
[22:20] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: visual studio is not exactly lightweight ...
[22:21] <bjsnider> yes, because if youc  an still move the mouse, the kernel hasn't locked up, so i'd bet on the desktop environment, or some aspect of the x server
[22:21] <LjL> bjsnider: this is an Ubuntu support channel, "Visual Studio" isn't a really appropriate answer to the question that was asked.
[22:22] <bjsnider> LjL, but was the question appropriate
[22:23] <josh-l> bjsnider: is there a log somewhere i can make sure whats happening?
[22:23] <LjL> bjsnider: i don't see why not, but if it had not been, then "try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic" would have been a much more appropriate answer
[22:23] <bjsnider> LjL, i was not aware of that channel
[22:25] <bjsnider> LjL, i thought you could build visual studio apps that would run on linux through mono
[22:25] <LjL> bjsnider: that's likely, still visual studio is not ubuntu software
[22:26] <bjsnider> LjL, he asked for a good IDE, not for ubuntu software specifically
[22:27] <LjL> bjsnider: this is an Ubuntu channel so Ubuntu software is *implied*, i think you're arguing pointlessly about this - your answer was clearly in jest
[22:29] <bjsnider> i didn't think so at the time, but i suppose vs isn't lightweight
[22:29] <josh-l> bjsnider: is there a log somewhere i can make sure whats happening?
[22:29] <bjsnider> probably, but i'm not a kde guy
[22:29] <holdenss> kde sucks :P
[22:30] <bjsnider> it would be great if it worked
[22:30] <topyli> whatwhat
[22:30] <topyli> nice jaunty discussion here, i see
[22:32] <darkfile1> hi there
[22:32] <darkfile1> i did something a bit unusual and apt does not behave as expected
[22:32] <darkfile1> maybe you can help me?
[22:32] <darkfile1> i installed jaunty with alternate CD
[22:32] <darkfile1> using whole disk encryption
[22:33] <spaceBARbarian> does anyone use lastfm with rythmbox ? i cant get it to scrobble properly
[22:33] <darkfile1> and as /boot and grub are unencrypted, i placed both on a USB stick for extra paranoia
[22:33] <darkfile1> now there was a kernel update and it simply created a new /boot instead of asking me to plug in the stick :(
[22:34] <adefigo|afk> boot with the usb-stick to the old kernel, mount the /boot on usb and reinstall kernel
[22:35] <josh-l> something in kde is crashing and causing kde to lock up... does anyone know if there is a log somewhere i can check to find out what it is??
[22:36] <ghindo> spaceBARbarian: Yes, I use last.fm and Rhythmbox.  What isn't working for you?
[22:37] <spaceBARbarian> its not scrobbling :P
[22:37] <charlie-tca> josh-l: just a guess, I don't use kde, but is there anything in /var/log?
[22:37] <spaceBARbarian> ghindo: im using the external lastfm app , not the plugin
[22:38] <charlie-tca> josh-l: You could always ask on #kubuntu also, they would probably know.
[22:39] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: use the plugin of whatever player you're using
[22:39] <topyli> the lastfm application doesn't know what you play in any other player afaik
[22:40] <spaceBARbarian> topyli: im using rythmbox, where do i get the plugin ?
[22:40] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: it's right there in rhythmbox, just enable the plugin
[22:40] <topyli> preferences -> plugins
[22:41] <topyli> or edit -> plugins
[22:41] <spaceBARbarian> topyli: do i need the last.fm app running too ?
[22:41] <bjsnider> topyli, what does srobbling mean?
[22:41] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: no
[22:41] <spaceBARbarian> still no scrobbling :P
[22:41] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: you don't need it at all, rhythmbox both scrobbles and plays last.fm stations just fine
[22:42] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: scrobbling happens when you have played half the song or at least 2 minutes, not instantly
[22:42] <bjsnider> i don't think scrobble is a word
[22:42] <spaceBARbarian> bjsnider: last.fm, go check it out
[22:42] <topyli> bjsnider: your player reports to the last.fm website what you're listening to. over time, it builds a musical profile of you
[22:42] <topyli> bjsnider: it can then suggest new music to you that you might like
[22:42] <spaceBARbarian> topyli: in windows it shows me on my profile what song i am playing, regardless of how long i have played it
[22:43] <topyli> spaceBARbarian: perhaps
[22:43] <topyli> bjsnider: like this: http://www.last.fm/user/topyli
[22:43] <topyli> it's pretty cool
[22:44] <topyli> bjsnider: not my profile necessarily, but the system :)
[22:44] <bjsnider> topyli, how accurate do the suggestions turn out to be? do you actually dig them?
[22:44] <topyli> bjsnider: it's surprisingly good
[22:45] <topyli> bjsnider: gets better over time, once it knows more and more about you
[22:47] <bjsnider> topyli, too much information that could be used by fbi or homeland whatchamacallit
[22:47] <ghindo> Is anybody else having difficulty with updating the cupsys-driver-gutenprint package?
[23:23] <aboSamoor> Why new mail pidgin notification is not integrated with the new notification system from 9.04 ?
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> aboSamoor: not something i use, sorry
[23:27] <aboSamoor> ActionParsnip: you mean you don't use pidgin ?
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> i use pidgin, just not the notification thing as I use kde
[23:36] <savvas> hello, does anyone know how to read the --prefix path variable from distutils while processing a custom command in setup.py?
[23:48] <jonaskoelker> hi all.  My keycode/keysym mapping has changed in the intrepid->jaunty upgrade.  Now 111 and 116 are Up/Down.  On my debian box, Up/Down are 104 and 98.  Synergy transmits them as 104 and 98 as well (which has worked Just Fine before jaunty), so this means except the alphanumeric keys, I can't use my desktop's keyboard on my laptop (through synergy), which makes me a Sad Panda :(
[23:48] <jonaskoelker> how to fix?
[23:49] <jonaskoelker> ISTR this happening in the hairy->intrepid upgrade as well, and having to do with evdev and hal and all sorts of things that are Really Great(tm) and Incompatible(tm) and Breaks Your Current Setup(tm)
[23:49] <jonaskoelker> ;)
[23:49] <unixdawg> hey guys
[23:50] <unixdawg> whats the command to change timezones
[23:50] <unixdawg> I am in est but the computer thinks I am cst
[23:50] <jonaskoelker> the most unixy one would be chtz ;-)  but I think it isn't that one
[23:55] <unixdawg> dpkg-reconfigure tzdata


[15:20] <inquistor> good morning everyone!
[15:21] <inquistor> Looking for a little help with Gnome Calendar 3.20.2 running on Ubuntu 16.04.
[15:21] <inquistor> I can't seem to schedule an afternoon meeting.
[15:21] <inquistor> I can schedule an all day event and an event in the morning, but nothing in the afternoon. Does anyone have any idea how I might be able to resolve this
[15:52] <jbicha> inquistor: as a workaround you can use evolution to schedule pm events
[15:52] <jbicha> for me, 3.20.2 worked but not 3.20.3, upstream bugs are https://bugzilla.gnome.org/770195 and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/770679
[15:53] <inquistor> thanks jbicha I will definitely give that a try
[15:54] <inquistor> also jbicha thanks for the bug reports too. I will track those as well.
[15:55] <jbicha> inquistor: if you're able, could you file a Launchpad bug? you can run this command: ubuntu-bug gnome-calendar
[15:55] <inquistor> jbicha, it'd be my pleasure!
[16:07] <inquistor> jbicha, the bug report has been filed in LaunchPad. Thanks again for the help.
[16:13] <jbicha> thanks


[15:21] <balloons> popey, I hope you've seen Matthew's tasks for code in?
[15:21] <popey> I have!
[15:21] <popey> Thanks for the nudge :)
[15:33] <balloons> popey, no problem. I gave him some suggestions for a few more, but wanted to make sure you had seen them


[15:38]  * zxmpi looks at temp gauge and breaks out emergency jaffa cakes and puts on kettle
[16:10]  * davef sneaks into zxmpi kitchen, taking the emergency jaffa cakes and returns to Canada
[16:11]  * zxmpi sees massive gap in emergency stash, shrugs and adds 'jaffa cakes, all' to shopping list
[16:37]  * zxmpi wonders if i should just grab the crimbo yard of jaffa cakes that are available this time of year
[19:02] <daftykins> on the walk home from dental practice #2 earlier, i spotted someone tracking me - https://i.imgur.com/dyt40dL.jpg
[20:18] <zxmpi> kitty \o/ =^..^=


[04:07] <Mirv> morning
[05:04] <Mirv> could someone check/approve https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/qmlrunner_use_dpkg_architecture/+merge/166172 ? sergiusens reported a problem and it was indeed there.
[08:40] <mzanetti> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/29/plasma-desktopSR2564.png
[08:40] <mzanetti> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/29/plasma-desktopMy2564.png
[08:40] <mzanetti> first draft ^
[08:41] <mzanetti> The Dialog would need to remove the space for the "text" if it is empty...
[08:41] <mzanetti> should I report a bug for that?
[08:49] <t1mp> mzanetti: which app is that?
[08:50] <mzanetti> t1mp: fahrplan. lets you find trains/busses.
[08:50] <t1mp> mzanetti: we don't have a date/time picker yet in the UI toolkit so when we work on that we can re-use yours perhaps :)
[08:50] <mzanetti> t1mp: I'm porting it from MeeGo
[08:50] <t1mp> mzanetti: ah cool. for which countries does it work?
[08:50] <gusch> still pending for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-modularity/+merge/166054
[08:51] <mzanetti> t1mp: yeah, yesterday I had a discussion with zsombi about this. right now I'm talking with design and once they're happy with it I'll try to upstream it to the SDK
[08:51] <mzanetti> t1mp: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/29/plasma-desktoptX2564.png
[08:52] <DanChapman> Hi folks, does anyone know how to delete/remove a tarball in python. I'm doing an autopilot tests for fileroller and need to delete the created archive in teardown, but os.remove claims no such file looked through the tar modules and cant find a way to remove an archive just to create/extract/addfiles etc.
[08:52] <t1mp> mzanetti: ns.nl would be useful for me :)
[08:53] <t1mp> mzanetti: currently the dialog always assumes that you have text and one or more buttons, so if you need something else (check with design), then file a bug/feature request on bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit please
[08:53] <mzanetti> t1mp: hehe... shouldn't be too hard... there seems to be a standard called HafasXml. If your provider uses that adding support would be quite straigt forward
[08:56] <t1mp> I wasn't aware that different companies in different countries are using a standard
[08:56] <t1mp> that is surprising actually, especially since they are big companies
[08:56] <mzanetti> t1mp: dunno... just looking at the implementation, half of the sites use the same parser (called ParserHafasXml) while the other half has custom parsers.
[08:57] <netcurli> http://www.hacon.de/unternehmen/referenzen/hafas/hafas-referenzen
[08:58] <mzanetti> netcurli: awesome :)
[08:58] <mzanetti> trenitalia suports it... interesting
[09:00] <mzanetti> t1mp: seems you're lucky... ns.nl seems to support it
[09:03] <t1mp> mzanetti: yes, its on that hafas-referenzen list :)
[09:04] <mzanetti> t1mp: so in theory it should be just a matter of adding the website to some list. I'll check it out when I work on it next time. (spare time project)
[09:06] <t1mp> cool, thanks
[09:07] <dpm> mzanetti, that's pretty awesome. When you think the app is in a working state, please add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Collection - looks like a cool app we'd like to showcase :)
[09:07] <t1mp> I'm planning to switch to using ubuntu on a phone that I really use (not just development)
[09:07] <mzanetti> dpm: its already in polishing phase :) I expect it to be done by the end of the week
[09:07] <dpm> excellent!
[09:08] <t1mp> indeed, excellent :)
[09:08] <mzanetti> t1mp: +1. thats why I started all that porting mania. can't use the phone without the 5 apps I use regualry
[09:09] <t1mp> mzanetti: at the moment I am abroad and I'm not sure whether I can reliably disable data (except wifi) on the phone. if that doesn't work well it could cost me some unneccesary money
[09:09] <mzanetti> oh... that's indeed a reason to be careful...
[09:10] <mzanetti> t1mp: but... can you ENable data already?
[09:10] <mzanetti> :D
[09:10]  * mzanetti still runs an image from end of last week
[09:10] <t1mp> mzanetti: I'm not sure. So far I only used ubuntu in a phone without a sim-card
[09:11] <dpm> t1mp, I've got a question on C++ plugins for QML if you've got a minute: I'm working on a personal project to decode QR codes, and I decided to use a C++ plugin for decoding. There is some existing library for Qt 4.x and I decided to port it to 5.0 and package it up as a plugin,
[09:11] <t1mp> dpm: yes I have a minute :)
[09:11] <dpm> great, so here's the question :)
[09:12] <dpm> t1mp, I've done the port and the packaging, but my C++ is very rusty, not to talk of my Qt skills. Does the change in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/+junk/qzxing-plugin/revision/2 look sensible to you?
[09:12] <dpm> for the .c and .h files
[09:13] <dpm> those were the main changes I did, but as my Qt experience is limited, it felt a bit like stabbing in the dark at times :)
[09:14] <mzanetti> dpm: you should keep the QObject *parent in the ctor
[09:14] <t1mp> dpm: I'll have a look
[09:14] <t1mp> QT += widgets in your pro file is needed if you use the "old" qt widgets if I'm not mistaken
[09:14] <t1mp> so if your gui will be qtquick you don't need that
[09:15] <dpm> thanks mzanetti. I think that gave me a warning IIRC, but I can try again
[09:15] <mzanetti> rest looks sensible to me
[09:15] <dpm> great, thanks mzanetti
[09:16] <t1mp> I don't see a reason not to make the constructor call QObject constructor
[09:17] <dpm> t1mp, good point, I'm not using widgets, so I'll remove that include.
[09:17] <mzanetti> dpm: for reference, I did exactly the same yesterday for this: https://gitorious.org/qml-process-element/qml-process-element/merge_requests/1
[09:18] <dpm> ah, interesting :)
[09:19] <dpm> t1mp, mzanetti so on line 13 I should basically do + QZXing::QZXing(QObject *parent) right?
[09:19] <mzanetti> dpm: QZXing::QZXing(QObject *parent) : QObject(parent)
[09:20] <dpm> ah, so keep it as it was before. Let me try
[09:20] <mzanetti> dpm: oh... you changed it to inherit QQmlExtensionPlugin...
[09:20] <mzanetti> dpm: that seems hackish...
[09:21] <t1mp> I just noticed that too
[09:21] <mzanetti> dpm: better have another file/class plugin.h that does only the registering and the QZXing then only inheriting from QObject and doing the logic
[09:21] <dpm> I warned I wasn't experienced in QT ;)
[09:22] <mzanetti> dpm: not saying that there isn't a way to make it work this way, but gets weird... especially once you want to register an additional class...
[09:22] <t1mp> dpm: if you have a look at the UITK code, we have there classes like UbuntuI18n in i18n.h/cpp, and we register all the classes that we need exposed to qtquick in plugin.cpp
[09:23] <dpm> mzanetti, I agree, I prefer doing it the right way. Just I didn't know what the right way was. This feedback is really useful
[09:45] <dpm> ok, let me see if I can create those plugin cpp/h files now...
[09:48] <nerochiaro> grr, hate it when i start working in the morning and forgot to turn on irc
[10:12] <dpm> mzanetti, t1mp, does this look more sensible now? -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/+junk/qzxing-plugin/revision/5
[10:13] <mzanetti> dpm: purrfect
[10:13] <dpm> excellent, thanks for the help!
[10:33] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: some updates: i'm using your latest library (the one with set Property) and the simple test we used yesterday, but with a TextArea doesn't cause the keyboard to bounce. so it's something in the notes-app, and i'm trying to figure out what it is
[10:34] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: ok cool
[10:34] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: in the notes app, when i hide the keyboard manually i see this debug print: QMaliitPlatformInputContext::imInitiatedHide() step 2, setProperty("focus", true)  ... << why is it set to true if i'm hiding the keyboard ?
[10:35] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: right, recompiling
[10:36] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: that's weird that even with that mistake it was working in the simple case. wtf ?
[10:36] <tmoenicke> indeed
[10:37] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: hmm, actually no, in the simple case i just checked and the focus wasn't being removed anymore. yesterday i think i had just time to verify that it wasn't bouncing back and that it programmatically setting focus to false and then true was doing the right thing regarding focus on the parents
[10:38] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: so it's all right. let's check with this new version you're recompiling that sets focus to false on imInitiateHide and let's hope it's the last thing we need :)
[10:39] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: I just sent you an updated version
[10:40] <tmoenicke> hope that works now
[10:54] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: unfortunately no. if i manually hide the keyboard the blinking cursor is removed but the textarea still has focus. but let me try with a textinput and also if i can simply work around this in the notes app
[10:54] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: though knowing why focus isn't removed is probably important
[11:01] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: ok, we have something. TextInput gets the focus removed correctly. TextArea doesn't
[11:01] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: when hiding the keyboard manually
[11:01] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: let's talk to zsombi ?
[11:02] <kalikiana> Kaleo, standup
[11:02] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: yeah, after lunch?
[11:04] <Kaleo> sorry, conputer broke; hd total faikurr
[11:04] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: ideal
[11:04] <Kaleo> going to look if cn buy one now
[11:04] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: i'll see if i can give him a peek now anyway, i'm short on time
[11:04] <kalikiana> Kaleo, ouch, I hope you didn't lose much
[11:04] <nerochiaro> zsombi: can you please poke me when you have some minutes ?
[11:04] <t1mp> Kaleo: good luck :s
[11:09] <tmoenicke> ok
[11:13] <om26er> nerochiaro, removed the nexus 7 stuff as you said: https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/camera-app/ap_tests_improvements/+merge/165733
[11:25] <nerochiaro> om26er: added a few comments
[11:25] <nerochiaro> om26er: then i will need to test it and if htey all pass approve
[11:25] <nerochiaro> om26er: (on desktop)
[11:25] <gusch> still pending for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-modularity/+merge/166054
[11:26] <om26er> nerochiaro, thanks fixing
[11:26] <om26er> nerochiaro, the python docstring convention says that if a doctring is multi-line it should have an empty line before ending it.
[11:26] <nerochiaro> zsombi: the thing me and tmoenicke would like to discuss with you is https://bugs.launchpad.net/notes-app/+bug/1182108 and specifically the last few comments about focus in TextArea
[11:26] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1182108 in notes-app "keyboard re-appears after swiping it away" [Critical,In progress]
[11:28] <nerochiaro> om26er: there are a bunch of other multiline docstrings in that code that don't have that. either fix them all if it's required by python or leave them all more compact. I honestly prefer them more compact, the extra lines are a waste of screen space and make readability worse
[11:28] <nerochiaro> om26er: for example
[11:28] <nerochiaro> 159	+    """Test that the shoot button gets disabled for a while then re-enabled
[11:28] <nerochiaro> 160	+    after shooting"""
[11:28] <nerochiaro> om26er: i think this is good and readable
[11:29] <om26er> nerochiaro, ok then i'll change that back
[11:30] <oSoMoN> zsombi: hey, it looks like the Panel is broken in today’s image, tapping outside it doesn’t hide it anymore, can you confirm?
[11:30] <nerochiaro> om26er: thanks
[11:38] <oSoMoN> tmoenicke: hey, regarding inputMethodHints, do you know if there’s already a bug report to track its addition to the TextField component in the SDK?
[11:39] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: zsombi: I think i know what's happening. the OSK is removing the focus from the inner TextInput but the SDK TextArea doesn't track that and remove focus on the entire component
[11:40] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: zsombi: if we fix that I think we can solve our problems
[11:42] <oSoMoN> tmoenicke: nevermind, I filed bug #1185392
[11:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1185392 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Need to expose 'inputMethodHints' in the TextField component" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185392
[11:49] <oSoMoN> t1mp: hey, it looks like the Panel is broken in today’s image, tapping outside it doesn’t hide it anymore, can you confirm?
[11:51] <dpm> t1mp, is it ok to reopen bug 1182577? I've just found what I think is a valid use case
[11:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1182577 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Cannot use the i18n plugin in C++" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182577
[11:53] <t1mp> oSoMoN: ok. I'll install today's image to test
[11:54] <oSoMoN> t1mp: thx
[11:56] <oSoMoN> t1mp: I can observe that in all applications that have a toolbar
[11:57] <t1mp> dpm: okay. I re-opened it.
[11:57] <dpm> thanks t1mp
[11:57] <tmoenicke> oSoMoN: no i dont think so, thx
[11:58] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: cool
[12:03] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: let's see what zsombi says when he comes back
[12:03] <tmoenicke> ok
[12:05] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: also, using the property does not add the dependency to declarative, so the patch should be fine
[12:06] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: though, should be done for widget-based code too at some point
[12:07] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: sweet, let's worry about what we use now ATM and put a note there in the code about widgets
[12:08] <timp> oSoMoN: I confirmed. Did you create/re-open a bug for that?
[12:08] <om26er> gusch, please approve this one, its just some style changes https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/gallery-app/reduce_pep8_complaints/+merge/165854
[12:08] <oSoMoN> timp: I’m filing a bug right now
[12:09] <gusch> om26er: ok
[12:10] <om26er> renato_, Hey! this one is now ready to go https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/mediaplayer-app/skip_if_phone/+merge/165880
[12:11] <gusch> om26er: approved
[12:12] <oSoMoN> timp: bug #1185397
[12:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1185397 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[regression] The panel doesn’t hide when tapping outside it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185397
[12:12] <om26er> gusch, thanks
[12:13] <oSoMoN> timp: can you please confirm the bug, and can we please revert the faulty revision asap? (I’m suspecting rev 517, needs confirmation)
[12:15] <om26er> oSoMoN, when you get some time: calendar branch is now ready.
[12:16] <timp> zsombi: png
[12:16] <timp> +i
[12:30] <renato_> om26er, done
[12:30] <om26er> renato_, thanks
[12:31] <gusch> still pending for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-modularity/+merge/166054
[12:31] <gusch> nerochiaro oSoMoN renato_ tmoenicke ^
[12:32] <zsombi> timp pong
[12:44] <nerochiaro> zsombi: ping
[12:44] <zsombi> nerochiaro: pong
[12:44] <renato_> gusch, I will take it
[12:44] <kalikiana> if anyone's up for a review of documentation/ui toolkit https://code.launchpad.net/~kalikiana/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fataldocs/+merge/166240
[12:45] <nerochiaro> zsombi: can you please check the messages that i directed to you in the scrollback, or I can repeat if you like
[12:48] <zsombi> (02:01:31 PM) nerochiaro: tmoenicke: ok, we have something. TextInput gets the focus removed correctly. TextArea doesn't
[12:48] <zsombi> nerochiaro: this is the issue, right?
[12:48] <zsombi> nerochiaro: when hiding the keyboard manually
[12:49] <zsombi> nerochiaro: manually means by swiping down the OSK, right?
[12:50] <nerochiaro> zsombi: yes
[12:50] <zsombi> nerochiaro: is this happening with some special build?
[12:50] <zsombi> or is it in the latest image?
[12:50] <gusch> renato_: cool thx
[12:53] <nerochiaro> zsombi: let's hop on mumble when you have a minute and i'll explain to you
[12:54] <timp> zsombi: did you read up about the panel regression?
[12:55] <timp> zsombi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1185397 do you think it could be related to r517 with IMA changes?
[12:55] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1185397 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[regression] The panel doesn’t hide when tapping outside it" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:56] <nerochiaro> zsombi: it's happening with yesterday image in any case, plus a library from tmoenicke
[13:01] <nerochiaro> zsombi: it's explained in the bug. but let's mumble so i can give you more context and we can talk about what it can be done to fix it
[13:01] <renato_> gusch, I added some comments
[13:03] <gusch> renato_: thx - I pushed the fixes ;)
[13:07] <zsombi> nerochiaro: I am supposed to have a meeting with ckpringle now, so eventually after that
[13:09] <zsombi> timp: weird... perhaps... I tested the apps back then and haven't noticed such an issue...
[13:10] <zsombi> timp: easy to find out: print the IMA's sensingArea in Panel to see whether it has a valid value
[13:11] <timp> oSoMoN: ^ will you have a look? I'm working on something else now
[13:13] <oSoMoN> zsombi, timp: will do
[13:48] <zsombi> nerochiaro: what is the bug id?
[13:50] <nerochiaro> zsombi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/notes-app/+bug/1182108
[13:50] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1182108 in notes-app "keyboard re-appears after swiping it away" [Critical,In progress]
[13:50] <nerochiaro> zsombi: but i really need to explain to you what's going on
[13:50] <nerochiaro> zsombi: on voice
[13:51] <nerochiaro> zsombi: i have a standup in 10 minutes
[13:51] <zsombi> nerochiaro: ehh :)
[13:51] <zsombi> nerochiaro: I just finished my meeting
[13:51] <nerochiaro> zsombi: let's hop on mumble now then
[13:52] <zsombi> connecting...
[13:52] <nerochiaro> zsombi: i'm in the PS apps channel
[13:52] <zsombi> connecting takes ages...
[14:08] <nerochiaro> zsombi: confirm that it works fine with TextArea
[14:08] <nerochiaro> zsombi: TextEdit, sorry
[14:08] <zsombi> nerochiaro: ok
[14:08] <zsombi> thx
[14:19]  * kalikiana wonders if jppiiroinen would like to claim https://code.launchpad.net/~kalikiana/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fataldocs/+merge/166240
[14:25] <Mirv> dpm: alert, alert, the 'gomobile' page no redirects to http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ which has completely bollocks instructions, like an antique version with wrong package names / copy-paste errors updated with some Ubuntu version numbers..
[14:25] <dpm> Mirv, on it, thanks for the heads up
[14:27] <Mirv> dpm: thanks. it refers to a PPA from half a year back et cetera, just received an e-mail from a precise user, noticed the redirect and then noticed the instructions
[14:31] <oSoMoN> om26er: re- the calendar app and objectName, are you using autopilot vis to visualize the hierarchy of items?
[14:32] <dpm> Mirv, phew, well spotted. This was due to the replacement of the old get-started page (i.e. Quickly) by the new gomobile page, which unnoticedly set the fields with the PPA instructions to defaults (i.e. as they were at launch date) - the deployment happened a couple of hours ago, so hopefully the confusion didn't last for long. You can now refresh http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ and see the proper instructions
[14:33] <Mirv> dpm: much better now! :) it's good that it was caught early.
[14:34] <dpm> nicely spotted :)
[14:35] <om26er> oSoMoN, yes
[14:35] <oSoMoN> om26er: then it must be a problem in autopilot…
[14:36] <om26er> oSoMoN, but I also tried a different technique with select_many() and gave only the objectName but there are no objects found
[14:38] <oSoMoN> om26er: how do you use autopilot vis on an app started with qmlscene? I’m not getting the hierarchy of items, only the root one
[14:39] <om26er> oSoMoN, qmlscene calendar.qml -testability
[14:39] <om26er> oSoMoN, if that's not working you might have an old version of libautopilot-qt
[14:39] <oSoMoN> om26er: that’s what I’m doing, and I’m only getting the QQuickView root object
[14:39] <om26er> oSoMoN, that was a bug which have been fixed in autopilot-qt
[14:40] <om26er> oSoMoN, make sure to have libautopilot-qt 1.3daily13.05.24ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1
[14:42] <oSoMoN> om26er: where do I get this one from? I have 1.3daily13.05.09ubuntu.unity.nextbzr58raring1 from the autopilot PPA
[14:43] <om26er> oSoMoN, ppa:ubuntu-unity/daily-build-next
[14:46] <oSoMoN> ok, thanks
[14:50] <oSoMoN> om26er: ok, I understand the issue, you’re setting the objectName on the Action items, right?
[14:50] <om26er> oSoMoN, yes
[14:52] <oSoMoN> om26er: so in fact it’s not a bug but a missing feature in the UITK, the objectName of the action should be transferred to the corresponding button
[14:53] <om26er> oSoMoN, right, makes sense
[14:53] <om26er> oSoMoN, so currently what we are doing is fine ?
[14:55] <oSoMoN> om26er: I wouldn’t say that, let’s try and find a cleaner way of doing it
[14:55] <oSoMoN> om26er: I’m pretty sure the same problem was already solved by other apps’s autopilot tests, have a look at how it’s done in the gallery for example
[14:56] <om26er> oSoMoN, will look there now.
[14:57] <om26er> oSoMoN, about the issue of my test not saving the event. I have not found a way to delete the event in the app so running the test each time will add a new event
[14:58] <zsombi> nerochiaro: so this happens in every TextArea, not just in Notes?
[14:59] <oSoMoN> om26er: the application is using the localStorage API, so it’s just a matter of deleting the DB before starting the app, the notes-app does something similar in its tests
[15:00] <oSoMoN> om26er: but in a first step I wouldn’t bother with such a complex set up, I’d just test that clicking the timeline button switches to the timeline view, and then back to the main view, for example
[15:00] <oSoMoN> om26er: a test for creating a new event can be written later on, the point of this MR is to bootstrap the tests with something simple and illustrative
[15:01] <zsombi> jppiiroinen: weird thing: I had enabled the developer mode on my tablet yesterday, and now after I connected it, it sais I should enable the dev mode again...
[15:01] <zsombi> jppiiroinen: In QtC...
[15:01] <om26er> oSoMoN, ok I can do that
[15:01] <om26er> oSoMoN, about the gallery-app, its also using the index number technique it seems
[15:04] <oSoMoN> om26er: the technique used by the gallery is slightly safer though (see get_toolbar_button(…)), because it ensures that it gets buttons only inside the panel, not every single button in the application
[15:06] <om26er> oSoMoN, yeah, I am going with that. Infact that's what I was using back in the days before I was told to use select_single()
[15:25] <om26er> oSoMoN, as now I am only targeting a single test to show/hide timeline, what happens to my already written emulators? shall I just keep them or remove them? They are definitely going to be used in future.
[15:26] <oSoMoN> om26er: keep them around
[15:27] <zsombi> Kaleo: greyback: new stuff needed in layouting: http://studio.sketchpad.cc/MnCl8Uj9Qa
[15:27] <zsombi> Kaleo: greyback: please comment
[15:28] <greyback> zsombi: use-case please
[15:28] <greyback> because right now I totally don't understand it
[15:29] <greyback> zsombi: did you see the other portion of my Layout API proposal: "LayoutItem"
[15:35] <zsombi> greyback: as said, I saw it, and it may make sense to use that, however in there you need a LayoutItem per each re-parented item, right? This would give the parameters on a specific fragment
[15:37] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: would you be available for a review today?
[15:39] <zsombi> greyback: I'll come back with an example tomorrow... I should really step off now...
[15:43] <greyback> zsombi: ok, have a good evening
[15:56] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: to be honest no, i am behind with a task ATM
[16:05] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: ok, nm
[16:09] <gusch> renato_: can you please have a look at this again? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-modularity/+merge/166054
[16:22] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: om26er: do you guys know why this wasn't reviewed yet ? I think it's pending from last week, for some reason i had assumed i gave it to one of you for review
[16:22] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: link?
[16:26] <om26er> o_O
[16:55] <oSoMoN> om26er: I approved your MR, is there anything specific to do on jenkins to activate autopilot tests for the calendar app?
[16:55] <om26er> oSoMoN, I am not sure about that, will have to ask about that from mmrazik
[16:56] <om26er> oSoMoN, he was looking into that a few days ago
[16:56] <oSoMoN> om26er: ok, anyway I’ll let you handle it


[04:20] <govatent> itnet7: ping
[04:27] <govatent> anyone online?
[04:34] <maxolasersquad_h> I am
[04:37] <maxolasersquad> govatent: I'm online here too.
[04:37] <govatent> hey
[04:37] <govatent> can i pm you for a second?
[04:39] <maxolasersquad> Go for it.


[04:35] <FurretUber> xfce4-notifyd is having a strange behavior while megasync is open: when I click the button in a notification, it opens megasync's status. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XLah_3Q_74
[06:50] <flocculant> Unit193: I did downgrade xfpm - no change here
[06:51] <flocculant> knome_: how often does tracker update against bugs?
[08:15] <knome_> flocculant, daily iirc
[08:16] <flocculant> knome_: mmm - the 75s timeout bug isn't showing on the tracker for some reason
[08:16] <flocculant> but thanks for the info regardless of that :)
[08:16] <knome> mhm, i can look at that a tad later
[08:18] <flocculant> ok - no panic - was just wondering :)
[08:18]  * flocculant has dug out laptop and sorted the dust bunnies ... some lock and suspend testing to do on it
[08:48] <flocculant> forgot how slow it can be to install on hdd
[09:53] <flocculant> well suspend and lock appear to work ok on that
[09:56] <knome> heh, hdd, yeah
[09:56] <flocculant> :p
[09:57] <knome> i think i might have an extra laptop available
[09:57] <knome> one that works too :P
[09:57] <flocculant> :)
[09:58] <flocculant> still not working well on the desktop
[10:06] <flocculant> ochosi: just installed nvidia driver here during testing of suspend - coming out of suspend the login screen looks like it's at 640x480 - then when I get to the pretty much unusable desktop resolution is normal again
[10:10] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:10] <flocculant> hi bluesabre
[10:10] <bluesabre> lightdm always ready to crash the LTS party
[10:10] <flocculant> sigh ...
[10:11] <flocculant> you'd not believe how often I've looked how much windows is lately ...
[10:12] <bluesabre> pay robert ancell the cost of a windows license and you might get a fixed lightdm ;)
[10:13] <flocculant> :)
[10:13] <flocculant> so basically found a bunch of issues now - and I've no idea if they're connected at all :p
[10:14] <flocculant> and after taking an age to get laptop working and installing it - I can't replicate the one from TJ last night lol
[10:15] <ochosi> flocculant: the resolution topic is probably your driver+lightdm
[10:16] <ochosi> havent had time to look at that lightlocker issue and will probably be afk over the weekend
[10:16] <flocculant> ochosi: yea
[10:16] <bluesabre> I saw some bugs pop up that the issue has reappeared on 16.04+, so could be the latest kernel versions as well
[10:16] <flocculant> yup - I suspect the channel will be a tumbleweed zone for the weekend :p
[10:16] <ochosi> wondering if those are sporadic issues or easily reproducible ones
[10:17] <flocculant> ochosi: for me - every time
[10:17] <ochosi> anyway, the greeter stuff is probably something that could end up being unfixablenfor us
[10:18] <flocculant> but I think I'll ppa-purge again so I'm using default - did check all with nouveau yesterday like that
[10:18] <ochosi> for the locker we'll see what we can do
[10:18] <flocculant> time to bring up the should we use lightdm - given we're at the end of the lts cycle - got to love tradition :D
[10:18] <ochosi> i read somebody debugged it a little already
[10:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: feel free to link it all to xubuntu-b-bugs so we have a list to work through... we can unlink them if something isn't right or they are dupes
[10:18] <flocculant> yea - TJ posted something
[10:19] <ochosi> nah, that discussion is moot
[10:19] <bluesabre> and I think ubuntu main is the only one not using lightdm now, so relevant across the board
[10:19] <flocculant> bluesabre: frankly I'm not even sure where to report the suspend thing lol
[10:20] <bluesabre> flocculant: just attach it to lightdm for now
[10:21] <flocculant> ok
[10:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll do the list then ...
[10:23] <bluesabre> flocculant: thanks
[10:23] <bluesabre> won't be around tonight, but hopefully will be able to debug (and maybe resolve some issues) over the weekend
[10:23] <flocculant> bluesabre: also - did you see comment on the numlock bug re 'what if I've a laptop with seperate keypad'
[10:24] <bluesabre> flocculant: I think the patch we have actually covers that scenario
[10:24] <flocculant> turns it on?
[10:24] <bluesabre> the 55numlockx does some things
[10:24] <bluesabre> # Enable numlock for USB keyboard on laptop
[10:24] <flocculant> cos I have laptop with seperate keypad - and numlock was on there
[10:24] <flocculant> oh right
[10:25] <flocculant> that'd explain it I guess :)
[10:25] <bluesabre> pretty smart script, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55numlockx
[10:25] <flocculant> yea I did read that - but you know me and voodoo don't mix too well ;)
[10:26] <bluesabre> :)
[10:26] <flocculant> oh yea
[10:26] <flocculant> timeout issue - was talking briefly to jibel - apparently Laney is looking at thos things
[10:26] <flocculant> whether that includes our one or not - unsure
[10:26] <bluesabre> cool
[10:27] <flocculant> but he'll be away with the fairies till Tuesday I'm sure
[10:27] <bluesabre> :D
[10:27] <flocculant> right rebooting back to a ppa-less setup then do some ubuntu-bug things
[10:28] <bluesabre> bionic is pretty up-to-date, I'd recommend not using our PPAs for the remainder of the cycle
[10:28] <flocculant> :)
[10:28] <flocculant> but but but ...
[10:28] <bluesabre> :D
[10:29] <flocculant> thunar is all gtk2 now there :p
[10:29] <flocculant> I assume the resolution and locker I can do against that
[10:31] <bluesabre> oh wow, the wallpaper ranking moved around a bit
[10:31] <flocculant> if the lightdm bugs end up private - I'll check it all out on the unused install I have and report from there so I can un-private them
[10:31] <flocculant> how do you see the ranking then?
[10:32] <bluesabre> Contests > Hover the 18.04 one > Vote Results
[10:32] <knome> only -council sees the ranking :P
[10:33] <flocculant> oh right
[10:34] <bluesabre> oh
[10:34] <bluesabre> :D
[10:34] <bluesabre> well, it moved around a bit
[10:34] <knome> yep
[10:35] <flocculant> they are in a different order for sure
[10:35] <knome> this is exactly why i asked people to use all of their votes
[10:36] <knome> next thing is to get akxwi-dave, slickymaster and jjfrv8 do the rest of their votes
[10:37] <flocculant> the real next thing is to get the community to vote the next time we do it
[10:37] <knome> dkessel is at 0 votes so unless he steps up soonish to vote, then he simply doesn't
[10:37] <flocculant> and have -team veto on things
[10:37] <knome> that's one option
[10:37] <flocculant> dkessel: has been mia for ages
[10:37] <knome> yep
[10:37] <flocculant> though I do remember him saying it was going to happen.
[10:37] <knome> yep
[10:37] <knome> not a biggie
[10:38] <flocculant> ofc not
[10:38] <knome> flocculant, remind me what you said again about having that one vote missing?
[10:38] <flocculant> it was the same pic as another one - maybe resolution difference or something
[10:39] <knome> right... could you do the same vote as for the other one anyway?
[10:39] <knome> for mental health purposes :P
[10:39] <bluesabre> :)
[10:39] <flocculant> if I remember - right now I'm up to my neck in bug reporting
[10:39] <knome> sure
[10:40] <flocculant> bluesabre: quick one > http://i.imgur.com/AUB7BeJ.png
[10:41] <flocculant> if I say no - will that likely hamper the solving?
[10:41] <flocculant> if so I'll nip to the other install
[10:43] <flocculant> knome: can't - it won't let me help your mental health ...
[10:43] <knome> huh?
[10:43] <flocculant> just stays green/red
[10:43] <knome> try clicking the other button, then the one you want to vote on?
[10:44] <flocculant> nope - not happening
[10:44] <flocculant> I'll log out and try again
[10:46] <bluesabre> flocculant: yes will probably have more useful details
[10:47] <flocculant> ok - I'll do them from the other one
[10:47] <bluesabre> thanks
[10:47] <flocculant> np
[10:47] <flocculant> and likely find that suspend works there - at which point I will be bald :D
[10:47] <flocculant> biab as trackerX
[10:56] <flocculant> apport-cli much quicker than ubuntu-bug
[10:57] <flocculant> bluesabre: so - not bald - same no network post suspend there :p
[11:00] <flocculant> added both to the list
[11:01] <flocculant> nice to see lots of green on there too btw :)
[11:03] <flocculant> I appear to have broken my install ppa-purging :p xfce4-notifyd-config: error while loading shared libraries: libxfconf-0.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:11] <flocculant> Unit193: ^^ you got an idea what I did there?
[11:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - linked the other now - neither of the lightdm bugs went private
[11:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1759112/comments/4
[11:26] <flocculant> 55numlockx looks for /usr/sbin/laptop-detect but it's in /usr/bin
[11:27] <flocculant> afk for a while now - headaching ...
[17:08] <FurretUber> There is a strange behavior on the button in the notifications. Video: https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=1XLah_3Q_74 I've seen this happen only with megasync, but it "hijacks" the button, so a gnome-software notification opens the megasync status window
[17:12] <FurretUber> Maybe this is a problem with megasync (third party application), but maybe the button in the notification should only open the intended application
[17:17] <flocculant> can't see the video - but if you only see it with some random 3rd party tool - perhaps it's that
[18:14] <TJ-> flocculant: do you still suspect lightdm suspend bugs?
[18:32] <flocculant> TJ-: we're not sure - kind of a bit lightdm/light-locker
[18:33] <TJ-> I've been digging the source of both, not found anything obvious so far
[18:33] <flocculant> I managed to get a laptop working earlier today - and while I got some issues - I didn't see what you were seeing
[18:34] <flocculant> I did report things today at least - https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Eflocculant/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0
[18:35] <flocculant> top 3 there
[18:35] <flocculant> we quite frequently get issues with lightdm - usually right around now in a cycle
[18:37] <TJ-> suspend issue is rather weird for sure.
[18:38] <flocculant> yup
[18:39] <flocculant> bluesabre and ochosi were here this morning - but holidays and stuff so went - both had seen what went on yesterday in here
[18:40] <flocculant> TJ-: re the suspend issues - I don't often use it - so I'm not able to say when it stopped working properly for me during the bb cycle - but it was a while back
[18:41] <TJ-> the network not being brought back?
[18:43] <flocculant> yea
[18:43] <flocculant> and the double login
[18:44] <flocculant> pretty much always use nouveau - so not sure about if the odd resolution happened before
[18:54] <TJ-> any idea how to configure lightdm in debug mode? It only seems to take a command-line --debug, but I don't see anything that can be set via lightdm.conf
[19:17] <TJ-> Possibly related: from reading lightdm/src/vt.c::vt_set_active() where it has a comment regarding VT_WAITACTIVE (because I see in lightdm.log "WARNING: Error using VT_WAITACTIVE 7 on /dev/tty0: Interrupted system call") links to  Bug #851612 comment #16 and bug #1566073
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[19:39] <tacocat> someone doesn't know how to thread
[19:40] <knome> also freenode is flipping on me
[19:40] <knome> i have owner flag on this channel, but i'm not authorized to op me?
[19:42] <knome> better...
[19:42] <knome> but what on earth
[19:50] <tacocat> my guess is that you weren't logged in or weren't logged into the right account
[19:50] <flocculant> TJ-: possibly - something a bit more similar to your issue bug 1303736
[19:51] <flocculant> back tomorrow now
[19:51] <TJ-> wow, good find, let me look
[19:57] <TJ-> I've found an issue as a result: from a console "xrandr -d :0.0 -q" shows the current resolution is 320x200 when it should be 2560x1440, and 320x200 is not valid on this display (eDP-1)
[19:58] <elefler> Does installing the daily in VBox help or is it not the same thing as installing for real?
[19:59] <elefler> Sometimes when I try proper releases of distros they do weird things in VMs so I'm not sure how reliable it is
[20:03] <Unit193> flocculant: libxfconf-0.so.3 is the newer xfconf only from the experimental PPA.  apt list | grep ed,loc
[20:24] <flocculant> TJ-: yea - it wasn't nice that - took a while to sru it
[20:24] <flocculant> elefler: at the moment - any testing is good :) I'll be shouting out next week for specific final beta testing
[20:25] <flocculant> Unit193: I thought so - got that after ppa-purging all the ppa's - then notify failed - currently readded experimental but really wanted to lose that for the rest of the cycle
[20:26] <Unit193> flocculant: Should be doable, to lose it.
[20:26] <flocculant> especially as bluesabre recommended not using ppa's right now
[20:27] <flocculant> I think I saw an error when purging - but was right in the middle of all the things this morning - so I got no further lol
[20:30] <Unit193> Likely because certain libraries aren't available in normal repos.  And for testing purposes, might make sense.  But a lot of the GTK3/Xfce development builds are only going to be in PPA.
[20:31] <flocculant> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3Ft9PcVkCg/
[20:31] <flocculant> yea ofc - but I'm confused as to why it's not purging properly I guess
[20:32] <flocculant> really away now - night all
[20:34] <Unit193> Basically, for the stuff that only says $package/now $version amd64 [installed,local]  you do: apt-get install $package/bionic