[13:56] <robert_ancell> I'm having trouble with session upstart in Ubuntu. I've forked gnome-settings-daemon into unity-settings-daemon and copied the upstart scripts (http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885290/, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885292/). However, if I try and run a session gnome-session doesn't start. If I disable the gnome-settings-daemon script it does. So it appears the gnome-settings-daemon script is confusing the startup somehow
[13:56] <robert_ancell> Any ideas?
[13:57] <robert_ancell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885304/ is the output of upstart on a failed case
[13:57] <robert_ancell> It doesn't mention gnome-settings-daemon at all
[14:03] <jodh> robert_ancell: so unity-settings-daemon starts, but gnome-session does not. How are you disabling gnome-settings-daemon? Also, is there anything relevant in ~/.cache/upstart/*.log ?
[14:04] <robert_ancell> jodh, I'm disabling by moving the .conf to .conf.disabled
[14:04] <robert_ancell> jodh, I looked in the logs but couldn't see anything obvious
[14:04] <robert_ancell> I can bundle them up
[14:07] <robert_ancell> http://people.canonical.com/~bob/upstart-logs.tgz
[14:08] <jodh> robert_ancell: unity7.conf specifies 'start on xsession SESSION=ubuntu and started gnome-settings-daemon' so if you've disabled gnome-settings-daemon that won't start (unless you've changed other .confs?)
[14:08] <robert_ancell> jodh, I have also changed that to do "or unity-settings-daemon"
[14:08] <robert_ancell> no other changes
[14:09] <robert_ancell> I notice there is a gnome-session log there, might be from a working boot though
[14:09] <robert_ancell> I'll clear the logs and retry
[14:09] <jodh> robert_ancell: can you share the whole config for unity7 as that is likely the issue
[14:10] <robert_ancell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6885356/
[14:11] <robert_ancell> http://people.canonical.com/~bob/upstart-logs.tgz for the logs on a fresh run after clearing
[14:11] <robert_ancell> http://people.canonical.com/~bob/upstart-logs2.tgz
[14:11] <robert_ancell> I mean
[14:11] <jodh> robert_ancell: surely that won't work with gnome-settings-daemon though since gnome-settings-daemon specifies 'xsession SESSION!=ubuntu' but unity7 states 'xsession SESSION=ubuntu'
[14:12] <robert_ancell> we are replacing gnome-settings-daemon with unity-settings-daemon in Unity
[14:12] <robert_ancell> gnome-settings-daemon should only run for GNOME etc
[14:17] <jodh> robert_ancell: according to the logs, the unity7 job is stopping in pre-start and not starting compiz. Could that explain it?
[14:17] <robert_ancell> jodh, I think compiz is started by gnome-session currently
[14:18] <robert_ancell> so it's behaving correctly
[14:19] <robert_ancell> my upstart logs in a normal session confirm that (compiz is in the gnome-session.log, unity7.log says "GNOME Session is starting Compiz")
[14:21] <robert_ancell> fancy coming into the office? ;)
[14:26] <robert_ancell> jodh, Is there any more information I can collect?
[14:27] <xnox> robert_ancell: jodh: the typical way to resolve this is to introduce an arbitrary sync event.
[14:27] <xnox> robert_ancell: jodh: e.g. both "unity-settings-daemon" and "gnome-settings-daemon" should do "initctl emit settings-daemon"
[14:27] <Mariano9> hi guys
[14:27] <xnox> robert_ancell: then unity7 would start on "xsession SESSION=ubuntu and settings-daemon"
[14:28] <robert_ancell> ok, I can try that
[14:28] <xnox> robert_ancell: ditto e.g. gnome/other desktop environments can do something else.
[14:28] <Mariano9> is there a command to check if an upstart job is correctly formated? like init-chkconfig or some?
[14:28] <xnox> robert_ancell: that way one would also be free to use one of the alternative settings-daemons.
[14:29] <jodh> Mariano9: yes - I put it in the mail I sent you - init-checkconf /path/to/job.conf
[14:29] <xnox> robert_ancell: one would do "initctl emit settings-daemon" in e.g. post-start
[14:29] <Mariano9> hey jodh
[14:29] <Mariano9> cannot find the command
[14:29] <Mariano9> it isn't there, init-chkconfig
[14:29] <xnox> robert_ancell: this is similar to how "indicators-*" start events work, it's simply emitted when indicators should start loading. And e.g. unity, gtk3-old-style-applet and others emit it to indicate they are ready to receive indicators.
[14:30] <jodh> Mariano9: it's *init-checkconf* not chkconfig
[14:30] <Mariano9> sorry, init-chkconf
[14:31] <Mariano9> "init-checkconf /etc/init/newrelic_rs_dfw_1.conf, -bash: init-checkconf: command not found"
[14:31] <xnox> Mariano9: what version of upstart are you using?
[14:32] <jodh> Mariano9: run "initctl version" to establish that
[14:32] <Mariano9> 0.6.5
[14:33] <xnox> Mariano9: excellent =) so pre-historic. Well, we can attempt to valide that job for you by reading it, if you can pass it on to us. e.g. paste.ubuntu.com
[14:34] <Mariano9> haha, just a sec
[14:36] <robert_ancell> xnox, same problem after adding the settings-daemon event. Still works if disabling the gnome-settings-daemon config
[14:37] <Mariano9> https://gist.github.com/Mariano-gon/8845357
[14:37] <Mariano9> xnox: there you go
[14:37] <Mariano9> (notice that I've commented some lines as I'm trying to get it goint)
[14:37] <jodh> Mariano9: you have 2 execs - only the last will be honoured.
[14:37] <xnox> robert_ancell: hm. Is there a ppa i can try, or is just by co-installing gnome & ubuntu settings daemon on my desktop?
[14:37] <Mariano9> *going
[14:38] <seb128> xnox, you should come to the office to help us debug those g-s-d u-s-d issues ;-)
[14:38] <xnox> seb128: you want me to comute into the office _now_ ?! =)
[14:38] <seb128> xnox, tomorrow morning would work as well ;-)
[14:38] <seb128> strike should be over then?
[14:38] <robert_ancell> xnox, it's not in a PPA at the moment, but I could add it
[14:39] <jodh> Mariano9: assuming you are running ubuntu lucid, procenv won't be available unless you built it from source?
[14:39] <Mariano9> nope, centOS 6.x here
[14:39] <xnox> seb128: i use trains anyway, so i'm unaffected. Tube is mostly non-existent south of the river.
[14:39] <jodh> Mariano9: what output do you get if you run "sudo start newrelic"?
[14:39] <jodh> Mariano9: ah, ok :)
[14:40] <robert_ancell> xnox, if you could come in tomorrow that would be great, we don't need to solve this immediately
[14:40] <Mariano9> "newrelic_rs_dfw_1 start/running, process 9251"
[14:40] <Mariano9> upstart sees it as running normal, but it isn't
[14:40] <xnox> Mariano9: that gist has two exec lines, i think last one wins.
[14:40] <xnox> Mariano9: the problem is the "bundle exec" was that that strange thing for ruby?
[14:41] <Mariano9> xnox: yes, it's a ruby gem
[14:41] <xnox> Mariano9: that will not work nicely as bundle forks many times and relies on environment variables and HOME, neither of which are set from within upstart
[14:41] <xnox> Mariano9: so you need probably need to do:
[14:41] <xnox> script
[14:41] <jodh> Mariano9: comment out the last line (exec bundle) so that upstart runs procenv first if you have that installed, then diff /tmp/procenv-job.log with a procenv log you take in an environment it does start in.
[14:41] <xnox>     source /path/to/bundle.sh
[14:42] <jodh> Mariano9: as mentioned, it may well be env vars. I have no idea what newrelic is but does it need $HOME?
[14:42] <xnox>     bundle exec /path/to/newrelic_rs
[14:42] <xnox> end script
[14:42] <xnox> Mariano9: and you probably want "expect daemon"
[14:42] <xnox> Mariano9: how is your bundle installed? user level or system-wide/root ?
[14:43] <Mariano9> xnox: jodh ok, does it matter the order of the stanzas?
[14:43] <xnox> Mariano9: you can't have duplicates, and at the moment I see two "exec" stanzas.
[14:43] <jodh> Mariano9: no, but as mentioned, if you specify a particular stanza multiple times, only the last is honoured.
[14:43] <xnox> Mariano9: it's declarative, not a top-down execution.
[14:43] <jodh> xnox: we've already covered that - see above
[14:43] <xnox> ah, sorry =)
[14:43] <Mariano9> right, i meant different stanzas order
[14:44] <Mariano9> but, it's declarative, so it doesn't matter the order
[14:44] <xnox> Mariano9: order of different stanzas does not matter, so you can have "start on" at the very end, etc.
[14:44] <Mariano9> great, let's try those
[14:46] <xnox> Mariano9: you should source bundle environment, it usually drops a script in /etc/profile.d or the users ~/.bashrc and the like. Not sure where it would live on a CentOS system however.
[14:46] <xnox> Mariano9: without that, bundle is mostly non-operational.
[14:46] <xnox> robert_ancell: ok, i'll be in tomorrow.
[14:46] <xnox> robert_ancell: and we can debug it.
[14:46] <robert_ancell> xnox, thanks
[14:46] <seb128> xnox, thanks
[14:50] <Mariano9> xnox: i think it's the same folder as newrelic_rs
[14:51] <xnox> Mariano9: right, so try:
[14:51] <xnox> script
[14:51] <xnox>     source that-file
[14:51] <xnox>     bundle exec
[14:51] <xnox> end script
[14:51] <Mariano9> because if I cd into it and run bundle exec ./bin/newrelic_rs, it will start great
[14:51] <xnox> Mariano9: due to chdir stanza you should be in the right directory already.
[14:52] <xnox> Mariano9: right, but bundle probably installed a script somewhere for your shell to find and source whenever you enter that directory.
[14:52] <Mariano9> like a link?
[14:52] <xnox> Mariano9: so one needs that "magic" snippet in the same way.
[14:52] <xnox> Mariano9: it's been many years since I last used bundle =)
[14:55] <Mariano9> source stanza will give the right path to execute the bundle command right?
[14:55] <xnox> source is not a stanza, source is a sh built in command
[14:56] <xnox> things between script... end script are just normal shell lines executed.
[14:56] <xnox> and that would be replacing exec.
[14:56] <Mariano9> ok
[14:56] <Mariano9> so, again, bundle path is the same as newrelic_rs then
[14:56] <xnox> Mariano9: oh there appears to be an easy solution for bundler.
[14:57] <xnox> Mariano9: --deployement --binstubs options
[14:57] <xnox> Mariano9: http://askubuntu.com/questions/105761/how-to-get-a-bundler-enabled-rails-app-running-as-a-service-with-upstart
[14:58] <xnox> Mariano9: apart from changing start on/stop on to what you had, it should just work on centos.
[14:58] <Mariano9> let's see
[15:01] <Mariano9> two questions xnox: 1- what if the stop job hangs?
[15:02] <Mariano9> how do I actually stop the initctl job?
[15:02] <Mariano9> "init: Sending TERM signal to newrelic_rs_dfw_1 main process (11127)" and will stay there for ever
[15:04] <Mariano9> ctrl+c, now it is shown as stop/killed, process 11127
[15:05] <xnox> Mariano9: after starting a job establish if the reality matches upstart expectations.
[15:06] <xnox> Mariano9: which is: process id in `ps' output matches, initctl status.
[15:06] <xnox> Mariano9: if they don't, the expect stanzas are wrong. more recent upstart handles such situations better.
[15:06] <xnox> Mariano9: but in your case you probably will need to add "expect fork", or "expect daemon".
[15:07] <xnox> Mariano9: and to clear the state, you'd need to re-exec upstart -> which actually for such old upstart means reboot.
[15:07] <xnox> Mariano9: i hope you are not developing this job on a production server.
[15:08] <Mariano9> host reboot?
[15:10] <Mariano9> there's no process in ps from newrelic, I've added the expect daemon before executing the start
[15:10] <Mariano9> is there a way to upgrade this version?
[15:12] <Mariano9> in fact there is
[15:12] <Mariano9> would it be good to upgrade it?
[15:42] <xnox> Mariano9: i don't know. I wonder if we should explore pushing a more up to date upstart into EPEL repositories.
[15:56] <Mariano9> xnox: so in order to clear the state I need to reboot the server?
[15:59] <xnox> Mariano9: or rename the job ;-) then the state is clear for the "new job name".
[16:01] <Mariano9> xnox: right, eventually I'll have tons of jobs :)
[16:02] <Mariano9> xnox: is there a way to reload configuration once a job script is edited?
[16:04] <xnox> Mariano9: the configuration is automatically reloaded, but it will only take affect on newly start instance. So e.g. after a proper $ stop foo, the next $ start foo will use new configuration.
[16:04] <Mariano9> ok
[16:04] <xnox> Mariano9: reload/restart is not enough, those keep on using the in-memory configuration.
[19:39] <mc_bluebeard> Is it advisable to have an exec command that "blocks"…ie, that does not daemonize or return, but is instead long-running?
[20:05] <JanC> if you can, sure
[23:04] <xnox> mc_bluebeard: you can do that, in that case "your command is ~ running in foreground" and then you shouldn't specify any "expect ..." stanza.


[01:32] <novato_br> guys, I'm lost, I would like to get some korean games... anyone knows what is the korean irc channel?
[01:32] <novato_br> I'm looking for the game: black squad
[02:43] <autowiz> searching ... black squad
[02:47] <autowiz> What do you lost ?
[04:06] <chicken> ㅁㄴㅇㄹ
[04:17] <autowiz> qwert
[04:17] <autowiz> qwerty
[04:17] <HolyKnight> ㄷㄷ
[06:29] <PotatoGim> 안녕하세요~
[11:40] <novato_br> ㅁㄴㅇㄹ
[11:40] <novato_br> <autowiz> qwert
[11:41] <autowiz> 음...
[11:41] <autowiz> 저만 깨지는건가요?
[11:41] <novato_br> autowiz, don't you have utf-8 system?
[11:41] <novato_br> I can't read you
[11:41] <autowiz> i guess
[11:42] <novato_br> you said I'm gonna you break up ?
[11:42] <autowiz> Do you have a problem playing some games ?
[11:42] <novato_br> it doesn't make sense
[11:42] <novato_br> yeah, autowiz
[11:42] <novato_br> i'd like to play black squad
[11:42] <novato_br> it is a korean game
[11:42] <novato_br> I'm from brazil.
[11:43] <novato_br> I like games kind of first person shooter
[11:44] <novato_br> ...
[11:45] <autowiz> Sometimes Some person ask to me .  They want to me , make a game account and tell them.
[11:46] <novato_br> I make the account on pmang.com
[11:46] <autowiz> But security reason . I couldn't  do that.
[11:46] <autowiz> Did you insalled that game ?
[11:46] <novato_br> but I can't understand one thing >>> why do I need identify myself with identy digital card?
[11:47] <novato_br> here, we don't have to identify ouserlves with ID's digital
[11:48] <novato_br> I wasn't able to install the game, because it need to get id digital
[11:49] <novato_br> there are many brazilian are getting interests on black squad
[11:53] <novato_br> autowiz, or I need to get a pin of cellphone company. what's cellphone company from south korean that has english version website? I will sign one of those services
[11:57] <autowiz> For get pin code with korean cell phone , you need contract with korean telecom company with real device .
[11:58] <autowiz> I think just sign up with online website user may not get pin code .
[11:59] <autowiz> By the way , I'll find Engligh website. ...
[12:04] <novato_br> thank you, autowiz
[12:06] <autowiz> LG U+
[12:06] <autowiz> http://www.uplus.co.kr/cmg/engl/coif/pelu/RetrievePeLuForeign.hpi?mid=2615
[12:06] <autowiz> SK Telecom
[12:06] <autowiz> http://www.tworld.co.kr/eng/
[12:06] <novato_br> thank you, autowiz
[12:08] <novato_br> dammit, it sould be international system of digital id's
[12:08] <autowiz> HelloMobile
[12:08] <autowiz> https://www.cjhello.com/mv_Client/main/index.asp
[12:08] <autowiz> KT ( olleh )
[12:08] <autowiz> http://www.olleh.com/
[12:08] <novato_br> so, everyone could be identified
[12:08] <autowiz> below two site , couldn't find Eng page.
[12:09] <novato_br> don't worry
[12:09] <novato_br> you helped me a lot
[12:09] <novato_br> don't feel offended, autowiz. But this one website is pink. here, pink is color for women
[12:09] <autowiz> Facebook  do authentication service with world wide mobile pin
[12:10] <novato_br> great
[12:10] <novato_br> i don't have any facebook account
[12:10] <autowiz> But pmang does not . maybe.
[12:11] <novato_br> I'll see what I can do, thank you for everything
[12:11] <autowiz> your welcome .
[12:11] <autowiz> have a good day~
[12:12] <novato_br> autowiz, I know you say little things like personal questions... but we are curious people... we like to know new people...
[12:12] <novato_br> where part of korean are you?
[12:12] <novato_br> korea*
[12:13] <autowiz> You mean north or South ? or something else ?
[12:13] <novato_br> your location
[12:14] <autowiz> in Seoul  City now.
[12:14] <novato_br> hum...
[12:14] <novato_br> Seoul great city
[12:14] <novato_br> I've already some tv shows from south korea
[12:14] <novato_br> I've watched*
[12:15] <novato_br> the last was healer that I have seen it
[12:15] <autowiz> I pray , you watched funny tv show . : )
[12:16] <novato_br> yes
[12:16] <novato_br> I like pretty much of comedy
[12:16] <autowiz> Healer is a korean drama right?
[12:17] <novato_br> yeah
[12:17] <novato_br> autowiz, http://www.dramafever.com/drama/4550/Healer/
[12:17] <autowiz> I was watched that , too.  Character and situation is very funny .
[12:17] <novato_br> yeah, yeah
[12:18] <novato_br> it's time people to think different... entire world is connected by internet.
[12:18] <autowiz> And heroine is very cute .   : )
[12:18] <novato_br> what you see I can already have seen it
[12:18] <novato_br> yeah
[12:19] <novato_br> I saw some movies too
[12:20] <novato_br> 100 days with arrogant mister.
[12:20] <novato_br> or PS sex
[12:22] <autowiz> I like movie and TV drama from US or Japanese , as like as Korean film
[12:23] <novato_br> cool
[12:26] <novato_br> autowiz, I like pretty much of this actress >>> http://www.dramafever.com/kim-mi-kyung/actor/964/
[12:26] <novato_br> she is very versatile
[12:27] <novato_br> I saw a bunch of tv show that she played a roll
[12:28] <novato_br> of course that she isn't any kim tae hee, but she nice too
[12:28] <novato_br> http://www.dramafever.com/kim-tae-hee/actor/319/
[12:29] <autowiz> If you doesn't see this , I suggest this drama
[12:29] <autowiz> http://movie.naver.com/movie/bi/mi/basic.nhn?code=120525
[12:30] <novato_br> autowiz, can I add you on my notify list?
[12:31] <autowiz> sure ~ thank you.
[12:31] <novato_br> autowiz, is it hard to learn korean?
[12:32] <novato_br> I saw some tv shows with actress
[12:33] <autowiz> Of course , learn new language is not easy. But I saw many people learn and speak koreans .
[12:34] <novato_br> I saw some south korean series I realize that is hard to pronouce
[12:34] <novato_br> pronounce*
[12:35] <novato_br> you have some phonems that I can't perform
[12:36] <novato_br> it is a shame for us, we don't know much of south korea
[12:37] <novato_br> we (brazilian guys)
[12:37] <autowiz> Me too. I'm very hard to say some words .
[12:37] <novato_br> don't worry, you're doing pretty fine
[12:37] <novato_br> I can't understand you
[12:37] <novato_br> sorry
[12:37] <novato_br> LoL
[12:37] <autowiz> : )
[12:38] <novato_br> I meant I am able to understand you
[12:38] <novato_br> we (brazilian) know about south korea.... humm... we know korea that is about high tech
[12:39] <novato_br> smartphone, tablet, smartwatches, megalevs, ultra fast speed internet connections
[12:39] <novato_br> and a country with highest educational system
[12:41] <autowiz> I get a call.
[12:41] <autowiz> got *
[12:42] <novato_br> ok
[12:58] <autowiz> i'm back
[13:01] <novato_br> cool
[13:01] <novato_br> I see link of the tv show on dramafever
[13:01] <novato_br> http://www.dramafever.com/drama/4478/1/It%27s_Okay%2C_That%27s_Love/
[13:01] <novato_br> can we talking in private? because we're out of topic
[13:01] <novato_br> off*
[13:02] <autowiz> yes . i worry about that too. we are out of topic : )
[13:03] <novato_br> ok
[13:08] <sungyo> 꾸벅....
[13:09] <autowiz> 안녕하세요
[13:09] <autowiz> 오랜만에 뵙습니다.
[13:09] <sungyo> ^0^ 네
[13:09] <sungyo> 다들 메르스는 괜찮으신지??
[13:09] <autowiz> 저 메르스 ...
[13:10] <autowiz> 안걸렸습니다 ..  ㅎㅎ
[13:10] <sungyo> 아쉽네요~
[13:10] <sungyo> ㅋㅋㅋㄷㅋㄷㅋㄷㅋ
[13:10] <autowiz> 헉..  무슨 그런 말씀을 섭섭하게요 ㅎㅎ
[13:10] <autowiz> 좀전에 외국가 있는 친구랑 통화했는데
[13:10] <sungyo> 왜..왠지 아쉬워 하는거 같아서...
[13:11] <autowiz> 거기서도 한국은 좀 이상한거 아니냐 왜 거기만 메르스 환자가 그렇게 많냐 .. 공항에서 한국사람만 따로 건강검진 해야하는거 아니냐 그러고 있네요
[13:11] <autowiz> 있데요
[13:12] <sungyo> 그러게요.
[13:12] <sungyo> 왜 유독 한국은..그런지..
[13:13] <chicken> 전
[13:13] <chicken> 안괜찮다능!
[13:14]  * chicken 캬악!  잘 지네죠?
[15:21] <sungyo> 메르스 요리조리 잘 피해서
[15:21] <jason_kr> 풉
[15:21] <sungyo> 지내고 있어요...^^;;
[15:21] <jason_kr> 옙
[15:22] <jason_kr> (아동부터) 젊은 이들은 잘 안걸린다는....
[16:24] <sungyo> .
[23:48] <jun_> 안녕하세요~ 즐거운(?) 월요일입니다~


[12:38] <lamont> ../../src/lib/.libs/libgnuradio-core.so: undefined reference to `gr_fxpt::TWO_TO_THE_31'
[12:38] <lamont> sounds like a missing define, normall
[12:38] <lamont> y
[12:39] <\sh> lamont: but compiles on debian normally
[12:40] <\sh> anyways..will check it tomorrow
[12:45] <\sh> find . -type f -exec grep -H "TWO_TO_THE_31" {} \;
[12:45] <\sh> no hit
[12:46] <\sh> as i said, i will check the cvs tomorrow
[12:49] <lamont> interesting.
[12:50] <lamont> anyway, off with the family for a while
[03:06] <e0f> hi, anyone here?
[06:27] <fabbione> morning
[01:00] <fabbione> doko: hey dude
[01:00] <fabbione> i might have ppc64 kernel binaries by this evening
[01:00] <fabbione> it's building now :)
[01:04] <doko> heh, cool.
[01:05] <doko> 4.0 did build as well on ppc, so it's time for the 3.4 update as well.
[01:05] <fabbione> it's FTBFS on sparc :)
[01:05] <doko> oh no ...
[01:05] <fabbione> but it's weird.. so i just gave it back
[01:06] <doko> testsuite?
[01:06] <fabbione> it failed that there was no activity for 150 minutes linking a library
[01:06] <fabbione> so i guess it was just the sparc going slower than usual
[01:06] <fabbione> i increased the timeout to 600 minutes
[01:06] <doko> hmm, I've seen this on the debian buildd's as well
[01:22] <fabbione> well it's slowly building
[01:22] <fabbione> we will see later today or tomorrow
[01:22] <fabbione> time to get some life :)


[01:22] <Lantizia> Laaa la laa please build TB3.1 laaaa la alala alaalaal laaa
[01:22] <Lantizia> laaa
[03:01] <bobby_> So... Anyone know a date for 4.0 Beta 1?
[04:24] <ddecator> Lantizia: we're backed up because the team is basically 2-3 people and the backporting of firefox is a lot of work. once that's done, tb 3.1 is high on the list
[04:25] <micahg> ddecator: FF3.7 rename just got bumped :)
[04:25] <ddecator> micahg: finally :D
[04:25] <micahg> ddecator: you want to try to do it?
[04:25] <ddecator> micahg: what all does it entail?
[04:26] <micahg> ddecator: basically, any of the packaging that says 3.7 becomes 4.0 for Firefox and Xulrunner 1.9.3 becomes 2.0.0
[04:26] <micahg> or just 2.0
[04:26] <micahg> no, 2.0.0
[04:26] <micahg> no, 2.0 :)
[04:26] <ddecator> :p
[04:26] <ddecator> micahg: yah, i can give that a shot
[04:27] <micahg> ddecator: document in the changelog what you change
[04:27] <ddecator> micahg: should i just do an entry for "bump up to 4.0" then list the files changed under it?
[04:28] <micahg> ddecator: no, just change the source package name to firefox-4.0 and cahnge the version
[04:30] <ddecator> micahg: in the main line you mean? right, i mean should i have a "* Version bump to 4.0" or something like that then list what files i updated under it? "- update debian/rules" etc.
[04:31] <micahg> ddecator: in the commit comment you can say that, but in the changelog, it doesn't need it
[04:32] <micahg> ddecator: take a look at how fta did the changelog for the 3.7 bump
[04:32] <ddecator> micahg: good point :)
[04:32] <ddecator> micahg: i'll start working on that
[04:33] <micahg> ddecator: great, thanks, it'll probably break tonight
[04:33] <ddecator> micahg: right. so the package name will stay -3.7 or does that need to change too?
[04:34] <micahg> ddecator: no, change it to 4.0 and add a Replaces: firefox-3.7 in each of the binary packages in control
[04:35] <micahg> ddecator: Replaces: firefox-3.7*  <--- whatever the binary is -dbg, -gnome-support
[04:35] <ddecator> micahg: ok, i think i get it. i'll do that first so i can have you check it for me
[04:35] <micahg> ddecator: nah, that's easy, just add a commit at the end for it
[04:36] <ddecator> micahg: k
[04:40] <ddecator> ah, good, all of the changes from 3.6 -> 3.7 are right on loggerhead so i have a good reference :)
[04:43] <ddecator> micahg: what should i do with the abrowser listings in /control? do those get bumped up to 4.0 too?
[04:43] <micahg> ddecator: yep, same thing
[04:44] <ddecator> micahg: k
[04:54] <micahg> ddecator: tomorrow night will break :)
[04:54] <ddecator> micahg: ?
[04:54] <micahg> ddecator: tonight's upload was fine
[04:54] <ddecator> micahg: ah, gotcha :)
[04:56] <ddecator> micahg: btw, should i take care of xr1.9.3 -> xr2.0 or are you going to do that?
[04:56] <micahg> ddecator: please take care of it if you can, I have a lot going on
[04:56] <ddecator> micahg: sure thing :)
[04:56] <ddecator> that's why i asked
[04:57] <micahg> ddecator: thanks
[05:11] <ddecator> micahg: ok, firefox-3.7-shiretoko.desktop, do we have a 4.0 name that i can change that to?
[05:12] <micahg> ddecator: I don't know if there is one yet
[05:13] <ddecator> micahg: what should i do with that file?
[05:13] <micahg> ddecator: you can change to 4.0, but there's no codename yet AFAIK
[05:14] <ddecator> micahg: k, thanks
[05:33] <ddecator> micahg: ok, and what is the xulrunner branch? there is no lp:xulrunner...so do i have to pull xulrunner-1.9.3 and work with that?
[05:33] <micahg> ddecator: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.3.head
[05:33] <ddecator> micahg: thanks
[05:33] <micahg> ddecator: I have to get asac to change the owner to Mozilla Team :)
[06:20] <ddecator> xr2.0 is already b2? huh..
[06:23] <micahg> ddecator: b1 was tagged tonight
[06:23] <ddecator> micahg: ah :)
[06:35] <ddecator> woot, looks like the patches still apply
[06:36] <micahg> ddecator: same branch :)
[06:36] <ddecator> micahg: yah, just wasn't sure. when sb jumped up to 2.0 they made a bunch of other changes at the same time, wasn't sure if i'd have a repeat of that :p
[06:38] <ddecator> micahg: ...i just realized something. should xr2.0 replace xr1.9.3? idk if anything else uses 1.9.3
[06:38] <micahg> ddecator: yes
[06:38] <ddecator> micahg: ok, good, that's how i set it up :p
[08:51] <ddecator> oh, FF 4 has taller tabs...
[08:53] <ddecator> ah, there we go..
[08:53] <ddecator> disabled all of my add-ons :(
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[09:04] <ddecator> morning BUGabundo_remote
[09:24] <ddecator> i really hope "Mozilla Developer Preview" doesn't stick as the name for the FF 4 beta..
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: boing
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: sorry for the pain england had to endure :-P
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> hi asac ;)
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: on maverick ffox 3.6 daily or something is really hanging a lot
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> we deserved it really, england were pretty terrible
[10:46] <asac> chrisccoulson: maybe a bad sqlite version?
[10:47] <asac> chrisccoulson: yeah. well. it was a big mistake that we even got in the situation where someone could claim that 2:2 would have made a difference (could be!)
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> asac - thanks. i'll take a look when i get the chance. i don't notice these things as i'm not running maverick yet ;)
[10:47] <asac> e.g. at that time england was really good
[10:47] <asac> chrisccoulson: yeah. just wanted to let you know. its really terrible ;)
[10:48] <asac> every few operations it hangs hard ... ghosting etc.
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> asac - and thats just affecting the dailies? (ie, not the in-archive version)
[10:48] <asac> then continuing. not only while loading, but also while typing in gmail etc.
[10:48] <asac> chrisccoulson: i assume its also a problem in the archive version. let me see
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> ok, thanks
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> i need to hurry up and finish this backporting work, so i can upgrade to maverick ;)
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> i can't really afford any down-time atm though
[10:49] <asac> ack
[10:49] <asac> its not a big problem (if you dont see it in lucid ;))
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm stil trying to figure out why epiphany doesn't shut down properly any more in hardy :-/
[10:52] <chrisccoulson> wow, we have some rain!
[10:58] <asac> chrisccoulson: i think epiphany had crash bugs on window close in hardy anyway before ;)
[10:58] <asac> but usually it means that some thread is kept alive etc.
[10:58] <asac> or even the mainloop ;)
[10:58] <asac> i know that is not really helpful ... but still :-P
[11:02] <asac> shame on me ... i didnt even have the security ppa enabled ;)
[11:03] <asac> chrisccoulson: oh ... if upstream is out you can always push to maverick to get more exposoure
[11:03] <asac> even if staging takes a bit longer ... at least thats what i usually did ;)
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i uploaded 3.6.6 to maverick yesterday
[11:05] <asac> ok. so my apt cache was too old ;)
[11:05] <asac> oh there is no maverick in security ppa?
[11:06] <asac> ok got 3.6.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[12:02] <Dimmuxx> will firefox 4.0b1 build1 be built in any of the ppas?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> it will be but right now we havent changed the versioning of 3.7. 3.7==4.0
[12:04] <gnomefreak> right now 3.6 is #1 on the list of things to do
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Dimmuxx: you are best off posting to our mailing list
[12:04] <gnomefreak> or wait for Micah
[12:05] <Dimmuxx> okay will do
[12:53] <gnomefreak> finally got around to fixing my jabber account
[12:59] <fta> amd64	13	 9455 jobs (four days)
[12:59] <fta> i386	14	 17437 jobs (five days)
[12:59] <fta> *sigh* another full test rebuild :(
[13:01] <asac> those are usually having really low prio
[13:02] <fta> asac, my ch builds are scheduled to start in 19h
[13:03] <fta> so bye-bye the dailies
[13:03] <asac> fta: wait a bit. the scheduler is a bit confused most likely
[13:03] <asac> just see what happens ;)
[13:04] <asac> i assume normal uploads will go first ... maybe they said 3 bulders or so get the rebuild now or something
[13:04] <asac> if they did anything at all to speed those builds up
[13:10] <asac> my build is also waiting :(
[13:10] <asac> and it was an important one ;)
[13:16] <gnomefreak> tb has a mind of its own. the editor loaded without an address field so i know i didnt click anything for it and tb is not loaded just that one window
[14:15] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I plan to release lucid and hardy within a couple/few hours (more testing). is that still ok? what is going on with epiphany?
[14:18] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: i made the changes from 3.7 -> 4.0 last night, i just need to get everything setup the right way so it can be merged into the daily PPA. with any luck, it'll be merged tonight
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - that should be ok. i don't think that i'll have epiphany fixed though
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> i'm still trying to understand what is happening during shutdown
[14:19] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: that's fine. I will file a bug and release note that it is being orked on
[14:19] <Dimmuxx> ddecator: nice, but will there be beta ppa with 4.0 betas since I rather stay on betas than using daylies
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - thanks
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> i'm not being helped by my laptop this week. it slows to a crawl every time i try to do something in kvm
[14:20] <jdstrand> :(
[14:21] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: is this totem specific or all plugins?
[14:21] <jdstrand> (I think the latter)
[14:21] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: afaik, the milestone PPAs haven't been setup yet, so there are just stable and daily PPAs. i know the plan was to setup one at some point though
[14:22] <Dimmuxx> what about security? 3.6.4 rc builds were there after all
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - it affects all plugins, but will only be noticeable with plugins that spawn an external helper
[14:24] <jdstrand> k
[14:24] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: what do you mean? why don't we do it as a security update?
[14:26] <chrisccoulson_> bah, i give up with my laptop now ;)
[14:27] <Dimmuxx> ddecator: nah I really don't know what I meant. ;) But since you put rc builds of 3.6.4 there which were just sent out to beta users(win/osx) I thought that perhaps 4.0 betas could be there too. But the best solution would be a beta ppa like with chromium
[14:27] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: fyi, filed as bug #599796
[14:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599796 in epiphany-browser (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 3 other projects) "plugins are not killed on browser close after viewing embedded media (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599796
[14:27] <chrisccoulson_> jdstrand, thanks
[14:29] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: right, that's what the plan is. we'll eventually make a PPA that is either updated with every beta release, or is updated starting with each alpha release (not sure of the exact plan, micah knows about it)
[14:30] <Dimmuxx> ddecator: nice, I assume you don't know any eta on it? :)
[14:32] <ddecator> Dimmuxx: well, backporting firefox 3.6 isn't done, after that thunderbird 3.1 is high on the list...i'm not sure how long it would take to setup, but it won't be for a while yet
[14:32] <Dimmuxx> maybe in time for final 4.0b1 then
[14:33] <ddecator> doubt it, the daily is up to b2 already, so if b1 hasn't been released yet it will be soon :)
[14:34] <Dimmuxx> 3.6.4 was in rc mode for a month at least so you never know with mozilla
[14:35] <Dimmuxx> I think the current eta is at least 1 week away.
[14:35] <jdstrand> Dimmuxx: I will be publishing 3.6.6 for hardy and lucid today
[14:36] <jdstrand> jaunty and karmic are at least 1 week away (due to openjdk)
[14:36] <ddecator> jdstrand: oh nice, i had someone ask me about that last night
[14:37] <Dimmuxx> jdstrand: aha so maybe two weeks then? ;)
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i still need to get the xulrunner apps in karmic ported to 1.9.2 too, but that should fit nicely alongside the openjdk work
[14:41] <jdstrand> ddecator, Dimmuxx: it is a complicated update, to say the least. the publication status (ie what is blocking USN publication) is being tracked in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Firefox3.6.4Upgrade/SecurityPublication
[14:41] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: yeah
[14:41] <ddecator> jdstrand: yah, i know at least the dependecies have been giving you all trouble. thanks :)
[14:45] <Dimmuxx> jdstrand: heh that doesn't look fun
[14:47] <jdstrand> yeah, and that only covers the stuff I've been focusing on. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Firefox3.6.4Upgrade and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/xulrunner-list for what the mozilla team has been working on
[14:50] <DarrenW> hey folks :) does anyone know if thunderbird 3.1 will make it's way into the thunderbird stable ppa?
[15:13] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - do you think i should upload openjdk again?
[15:14] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: sure, one of them should be fine, now that all the firefox's are done (excepting ia64)
[15:14] <jdstrand> s/'//
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i think i'm getting somewhere with epiphany now
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> for some reason, the GtkMozEmbed widget has no parent when the main epiphany window is destroyed
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> so that widget never gets destroyed before epiphany closes
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> it's weird how that works with the old xulrunner though ;)
[15:26] <jdstrand> huh
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> well, "has no parent" might not be entirely true. the container that is meant to hold the GtkMozEmbed instance has no children
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> i suppose that's not technically the same thing ;)
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> but the results are the same
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> right, time for a reboot
[15:58] <asac_> fta2: i whipped a bit and now the rebuild is disabled until we figure why the scheduler gives them high prio
[16:06] <micahg> fta: can you delete thunderbird-3.1 from the daily PPA and pause the daily build job for it?
[16:06] <micahg> fta: I see people are trying to get the real thing and will end up with a pre-alpha :(
[16:18] <fta> asac, i did earlier today too
[16:22] <fta> micahg, if i do that, it will erase the history
[16:22] <micahg> fta: ah, hmm
[16:23] <micahg> fta: any suggestions or is just fix it the only option?
[16:25] <BUGabundo_remote> t
[16:30] <fta> micahg, for some reason, it's not disabled in the bot, yet, there's no new snapshot since last year
[16:30] <micahg> fta: it's pointing to comm-central and the version is 3.2 and it's broke :)
[16:31] <fta> oh
[16:31] <fta> micahg, what's so difficult to unbreak anyway?
[16:32] <micahg> fta: the versioning patch needed something added IIRC, but I couldn't get it working 6 months ago, I know quite a bit more now and could probably do it as soon as I get a little time
[16:32] <fta> if you're busy, maybe ddecator could have a look :) it should be similar to the 3.7->4.0 (ie, re-use what i did for tb 3.0->3.1)
[16:36] <micahg> fta: no, it broke before the transition to 3.2
[16:44] <fta> obviously, the transition must be fixed 1st
[16:47] <micahg> fta: I was going to rebranch after fixing the codebase for 3.1
[16:47] <micahg> or branch first maybe and then merge select changes...
[16:47] <micahg> there's a comm-1.9.2 branch now
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - calling gtk_widget_unrealize on a GtkMozEmbed widget causes it to be reparented to an offscreen window (GtkMozEmbed overloads the unrealize function to do this)
[16:49]  * micahg forgot about alpha2 when asking chrisccoulson to delay upload thunderbird to maverick :(
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> i just need to understand why it doesn't do this in the old version ;)
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i forgot about alpha 2 when i uploaded firefox to maverick and to the u-m-s PPA for all releases, uploaded openjdk and DoS'd the build daemons ;)
[16:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that was yesterday and the freeze is today though
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, but i was stopping maverick things from being built to get the archive consistent ;)
[16:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should we try to get thunderbird in or have an outdated version on the CD?
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we can wait until after a2 now, it's not too much of a problem
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> i'm just a bit concerned about tying the builders up (i still need to get openjdk built too)
[16:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'll test the build then tonight in the PPA and make sure the symlinks works
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[17:07] <fta> ddecator, micahg: remember that for the 3.7->4.0 migration in the daily ppa, there's an action on my side too: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fta/+junk/ppa-confs/annotate/head:/ppabot-pkgs-umd.conf
[17:08] <micahg> fta: well, they made the transition in m-c, so it'll probably be tomorrow before we get ddecator's merge in for 4.0
[17:08] <micahg> fta: should we rename the 3.7 branch or just push a new one?
[17:08] <fta> also, it would be nice for ff 4.0 to build its own xul
[17:09] <micahg> fta: yes, it will at some point
[17:11] <fta> micahg, whatever you do for the branches, i have something to change on my side. at least vpattern and the source package name
[17:11] <micahg> fta: k, I'm thinking to just rename, I'll ping you after I make merge the branch changes
[17:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: the xul192 discussion is getting more interesting in Debian :)
[17:30] <ddecator> micahg: i was just going to get everything setup for FF and XR, so it'll be available tonight even if it can't be merged yet
[17:30] <micahg> ddecator: k
[18:14] <jlebar> What replaced the linux-image-debug package?
[18:14] <jlebar> Whoops; wrong channel.
[18:24] <ddecator> dang, micah left...
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - so, the epiphany issue is looking more like a mozilla bug
[18:49] <jdstrand> interesting
[18:49] <jdstrand> fyi, I've started publication of hardy and lucid
[18:50] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks, I've been telling people to go to the u-m-s PPA :)
[18:52] <ddecator> wow, lifehacker did a test and FF 3.6.6 used the least amount of memory in the various conditions :)
[18:52] <ddecator> micahg: i'm guessing you'll get the emails, but i pushed the branches and requested merges. i'm guessing i'll to tweak some minor things, so just let me know what i need to change whenever you get around to it
[18:53] <micahg> ddecator: k, I won't be able to look till after 9 tonight most likely
[18:53] <ddecator> micahg: np, i wasn't even sure you'd be able to look tonight :)
[18:54] <micahg> jdstrand: you're not copying Seamonkey, right?
[18:54] <jdstrand> micahg: not until you guys tell me to, no
[18:55] <micahg> jdstrand: k, thanks
[18:55] <jdstrand> micahg: but nss is copied, so whenever you are ready, let me know
[18:55] <jdstrand> micahg: obviously I'm talking about hardy here
[18:55] <micahg> jdstrand: k, lucid too, no changelog for CVEs yet
[18:56] <jdstrand> micahg: right, I just meant I didn't copy nss anywhere except hardy, since I am only doing hardy and lucid and lucid didn't need it
[18:56] <micahg> jdstrand: ah, k, thansk
[18:56] <micahg> *thanks
[19:00] <gnomefreak> micahg: i know it wouldnt have mattered since you didnt push a fix but the daily ff3.6 has 2 AU, i was board this morning while i was here
[19:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: 2AU?
[19:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: ah, yes
[19:01] <gnomefreak> micahg: yep
[19:01] <gnomefreak> ops sorry this is languages
[19:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: right, so we're now using the hunspell dir in maverick instead of the myspell dir, but there are still dupes and we'll try to get them cleaned up before beta
[19:02] <gnomefreak> micahg: k just testing :). when is the ETA on renaming 3.7 ->4.0 IIRC B1 was released
[19:03] <ddecator> soon
[19:03] <micahg> gnomefreak: they did it last night, tonight's upload will probably fail, and hopefully have the transition done by tomorrow
[19:03] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok thanks. someone was asking about that this morning
[19:04]  * gnomefreak thinks someone said the builds will fail. ft_a i thinkl
[19:05] <gnomefreak> the person assking was Dimmux_x IIRC
[19:07] <ddecator> gnomefreak: yah, i told Dimmux-x that it was in the works
[19:07] <gnomefreak> d	thanks
[19:07] <gnomefreak> ddecator: thanks
[19:07] <gnomefreak> not sure what i typed the first time but its highlited
[19:09] <gnomefreak> xul193 sucks badly
[19:09] <ddecator> how so?
[19:10]  * micahg wants to set up a firefox beta PPA
[19:10] <gnomefreak> its one of the running scripts warning
[19:10]  * micahg is itching to try 4.0b1 :)
[19:10] <gnomefreak> works fine in 192
[19:10] <gnomefreak> micahg: that makes 2 of us
[19:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: the warning doesn't work?
[19:11] <gnomefreak> micahg: it warns me that it is running. it should no keep running the script on the page
[19:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: if you're running last night's build, that's basically the beta
[19:11] <gnomefreak> that is a bug as i recall
[19:11] <micahg> sounds like a regression, it should pause the script if the warning is being displayed
[19:11] <gnomefreak> 3.7~a6~hg20100629r46385+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[19:12] <gnomefreak> micahg: i can give you the warning if i can reproduce it but i do have XPCOM warning now on screen
[19:12] <gnomefreak> 3.7~a6~hg20100629r46385+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1
[19:12] <gnomefreak> damnit
[19:13] <ddecator> micahg: there have been requests for it :)
[19:13] <gnomefreak> ok seems i cant copy and paste (should be another bug IMHP seeing as it has the "copy" choice
[19:13] <gnomefreak> ok that is 3 script warnings
[19:13]  * ddecator doesn't get the script warning...
[19:14] <gnomefreak> im in gmail in one of my boxes other site i was on == no warning
[19:14] <ddecator> you're getting the script warnings on gmail?
[19:15] <gnomefreak> oh you are not going to like 3.7 languages
[19:16] <gnomefreak>
[19:22] <gnomefreak> ok that was odd :(. ok what i was trying to type was 3.7 == 2AU 2US 2UK 1CA and 1 of antoher i dont recall
[19:23] <gnomefreak> for some reason the batch of updates would let me type in temrinal/irssi until i rebooted
[19:31]  * gnomefreak should have pain attention in the bot class :(
[19:36] <gnomefreak> anyone have a clue why ozilla-plugin-vlc depends on libqt3-mt is it works with Gecko browsers not a mention to qt browsers
[19:37] <fta> ddecator, lol
[19:37] <fta> -# 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-13.7 USA.
[19:37] <fta> +# 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-14.0 USA.
[19:37] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, vlc is a QT app I thought
[19:38] <fta> ddecator, the DESKTOP_BRANDED part is most probably wrong
[19:38] <gnomefreak> micahg: it is but not understanding why if Gecko has no qt anything
[19:38] <micahg> gnomefreak: opera needs it not mozilla-plugin-vlc
[19:39] <gnomefreak> that is a good reason. if only we supported Opera ;)
[19:40] <micahg> gnomefreak: there are a few things that need it still...aptitude why libqt3-mt
[19:40] <gnomefreak> the libqt3-mt was a file manager bca or something like that
[19:41] <gnomefreak> i double checked. most if not all should depends on libqt4
[19:41] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, but try the command I gave you and it'll tell you why you have it instlaled
[19:42] <gnomefreak> cant atm
[19:42] <gnomefreak> in Synaptic
[19:43] <gnomefreak> micahg: we need to update mozilla-packagekit it needs firefox-3.0
[19:43] <gnomefreak> assuming that is ours
[19:44]  * micahg wonders how we missed that :(
[19:45]  * micahg wonders if that's why apt doesn't work in the browser
[19:45]  * gnomefreak thinks that is a good choice
[19:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ^^
[19:46] <gnomefreak> only if it was as easy as to change depends. if it is i can run that through
[19:46] <micahg> gnomefreak: depends on what it needs :)
[19:46] <gnomefreak> let me see what else it haad
[19:46] <chrisccoulson> what's up?
[19:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: seems like we forgot mozilla-packagekit
[19:47] <gnomefreak>  |Depends: firefox-3.5
[19:47] <gnomefreak>     firefox
[19:47] <gnomefreak>  |Depends: abrowser-3.5
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i've not had any issues upgrading
[19:47] <gnomefreak> maybe its jsut me but depends shows those
[19:48] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: installing it from Synaptic says firefox-3.0
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> which release are we talking about?
[19:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't have it installed, could that be why some people have issues with apt: in the browser or is that apt-url only?
[19:49] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: maverick. one sec
[19:49] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/456989/
[19:49] <chrisccoulson> oh, i thought you were talking about the security updates
[19:49] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oops, sorry for scaring you :)
[19:49] <gnomefreak> that shows other browsers but synaptic says installing firefox-3.0
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> that shouldn't be an issue. the pacakges it depends on are just metapackages which pull in the real firefox
[19:50] <micahg> gnomefreak: breaks ff30 :)
[19:50] <gnomefreak> i already have firefox
[19:50] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak - but you wouldn't get another firefox ;)
[19:50] <gnomefreak> try to install it see what it says. maybe this is a mvo bug
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> installing mozilla-packagekit will install the firefox-3.5 metapackage, which depends on the firefox you already have installed
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> we should fix the depends to not pull in the metapackage anyway
[19:51] <chrisccoulson> but that shouldn't be causing any other issues
[19:51] <gnomefreak> give me a while let me get synaptic done than ill try in a terminal maybe its synaptic
[19:52] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it says it breaks firefox-3.0 so it shouldnt even suggest it
[19:52] <gnomefreak> let alone depends on it
[19:52] <chrisccoulson> where does it suggest it?
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> it depends on firefox-3.5 | firefox
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> and it breaks firefox-3.0
[19:53] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it doesnt but in synaptic it wants to install it
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> it wants to install which package?
[19:53] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: if it breaks 3.0 than why does it want me to install 3.0
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> i've no idea, that seems a bit weird ;)
[19:54] <gnomefreak> i will post a screenshot when i can but if you can please test in terminal
[19:54] <chrisccoulson> i can't really test it atm, i'm busy with other things
[19:54] <gnomefreak> synaptic wont stop now so it will be a while (20 or so minutes)
[19:55] <gnomefreak> ok be back
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i see you've copied the packages now
[19:59] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[20:00] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: sure!
[20:00] <jdstrand> still adjusting overrides and getting the langpacks to -updates and doing the actual USN publication. but the packages are in -security! :)
[20:01] <gnomefreak> ok apt shows it as a broken package due to ff30
[20:02] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/457001/  <<install output
[20:02] <gnomefreak> so i take it if i would have tried to install it in synaptic it would have showed same thing
[20:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should I get rid of the transitional packages in maverick for Firefox?  Does this also mean get rid of them in .head or should I branch maverick?
[20:03] <Dimmuxx> micahg: beta ppa with 4.0b1 is a very nice idea ;)
[20:03] <gnomefreak> firefox-3.0 should be removed from the package entirely
[20:03] <micahg> gnomefreak: it's a transitional package in lucid/maverick
[20:03] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'm not too sure yet. won't they disappear from all the dailies as well then?
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> we shouldn't branch maverick just yet, that will create a lot of work for us ;)
[20:04] <gnomefreak> micahg: than what do you do with it if not remove it from depends
[20:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, so, just leave in maverick and get rid of them before the final upload?
[20:04] <gnomefreak> firefox == transitional package
[20:04] <micahg> gnomefreak: no
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> i'd like to clean all the cruft from the packages, but i just haven't decided the best way to go about doing that yet
[20:04] <micahg> *final upload before release
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> i need to have a think about that once the dust has settled with 3.6.6 ;)
[20:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, cleaning up was one of my tasks that wasn't given a milestone due to lack of time
[20:05] <gnomefreak> 3.5 == transtional to firefox
[20:05] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes :)
[20:05] <gnomefreak> and 2.0 and 3.0
[20:06] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes :)
[20:06] <gnomefreak> do we really need all of those since we dont have 2.0 is any ubuntu supported
[20:06] <micahg> gnomefreak: hardy :)
[20:06] <gnomefreak> !info firefox hardy
[20:06] <ubot2> gnomefreak: firefox (source: firefox-3.0): meta package for the popular mozilla web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.19+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (hardy), package size 65 kB, installed size 120 kB
[20:06] <micahg> !info firefox-2 hardy
[20:06] <ubot2> micahg: firefox-2 (source: firefox): lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>~tb.21.308+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (hardy), package size 8990 kB, installed size 26100 kB
[20:06] <gnomefreak> default is 3.0
[20:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, and?
[20:07] <gnomefreak> 2.0 is still needed?
[20:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: transitional
[20:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: needed where?
[20:07] <gnomefreak> are we every going to be able to clean it up a little since we are pushing 3.6 to all
[20:08] <gnomefreak> should not need 3+ transitonal packages per release
[20:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, the stable packaging won't change, but maverick will
[20:08] <gnomefreak> that is a lot of cruft
[20:09] <gnomefreak> <IP_ADDRESS>~tb.21.308+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>  << "tb"?
[20:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: not getting updates unless someone is feal really ambitious in their backporting :)
[20:10] <gnomefreak> we dont need to backport the packages they should go to secuity i thought we decided
[20:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: probably means took the patches from TB as they were the same gecko revision
[20:10] <gnomefreak> good point
[20:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: I meant patches
[20:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: Firefox 2 is probably vulnerable to >100 CVEs
[20:11] <gnomefreak> yeah good point
[20:11]  * micahg is reminded of the need to backport fixes for TB in hardy, jaunty, and karmic...
[20:11] <gnomefreak> hardy EOL 11.04 GUI)
[20:12] <micahg> right
[20:12] <gnomefreak> so does jaunty?
[20:12] <gnomefreak> drop 2 releases in one month
[20:13] <micahg> gnomefreak: karmic
[20:13] <gnomefreak> karmic ==9.10
[20:13] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes
[20:14] <gnomefreak> so when is jaunty EOL
[20:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: end of october
[20:14] <gnomefreak> ok than karmic+hardy EOL in 11.04
[20:14] <gnomefreak> for our packages
[20:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, then we can really start cleaning up :)
[20:15] <gnomefreak> ok that is a good idea to look forward to in 11.04
[20:15] <chrisccoulson> we'll have 2 more releases to support by then  ;)
[20:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, but we can transition all the new stuff to dh7 and all the lucid tools :)
[20:16] <chrisccoulson> that will be fun ;)
[20:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: just a crazy thought, did anyone test the backports with apport?
[20:17] <gnomefreak> yay i get another troll to my list this week
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i didn't, although it should carry on working as usual. i didn't change the apport hooks, and they are still named the same as the source package
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> so they should just carry on working as normal
[20:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, ok
[20:27] <gnomefreak> will unity run on anything or is it just UNE
[20:33] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, it should run on anything with the graphics drivers to support it
[20:33] <chrisccoulson> if you install it, then you have the option of logging in with a unity session from gdm
[20:33] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it looks like it will but i havent installed it yet, cleaning up other packages atm
[20:34] <gnomefreak> it seems to have very high mem usage from what i am hearing
[20:34] <gnomefreak> ok be back going to install
[20:56] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I wonder if the fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=532246 (MFSA 2010-28) has anything to do with the epiphany issue...
[20:56] <ubot2> jdstrand: Error: Error getting Mozilla bug #532246: NotPermitted
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i can't see that ;)
[20:57] <jdstrand> well, me either, but maybe [reed] could help with that
[20:57] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I'm writing USN text. this is the mfsa: http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2010/mfsa2010-28.html
[20:59] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - i'm not sure if it's related. the bug i'm looking at doesn't look like it's plugin related (that's just an effect of the bug)
[20:59] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: k. fyi only...
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[21:11] <gnomefreak> yay chromium update :)
[21:12]  * gnomefreak needs to figure out what i have to do to get media keys to work
[21:12] <gnomefreak> nevermind email works
[21:30] <[reed]> jdstrand: yo, what's up?
[21:32] <jdstrand> [reed]: hi! I thought a CVE fix might have caused a regression we are seeing, but we couldn't see the bug. chrisccoulson said he didn't think that was the case, so you can ignore me :)
[21:36] <gnomefreak> now only if limewire did movies
[21:46] <gnomefreak> i guess songbird is still having issues?
[21:46] <[reed]> jdstrand: ok
[21:46] <[reed]> jdstrand: let me know if you need access to the bug
[21:48] <jdstrand> [reed]: thanks :)
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> micahg - re bug 557275 - we don't really want to do that
[22:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 557275 in xulrunner-1.9.2 (Ubuntu) "xulrunner + dynamic linker run-time bindings (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/557275
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> i commented on another bug yesterday which had a similar suggestion
[22:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I saw your response to the other bug :), I was going to mark won't fix with your comment
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i can do that now
[22:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[23:04] <fta> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/06/ffmpeg-getting-its-own-implementation-of-googles-vp8-codec.ars
[23:04] <BUGabundo_DrWho> fta worse ! oracle bought apache??
[23:04] <micahg> fta: saw that :)
[23:05] <BUGabundo_DrWho> is that a good thing?
[23:06] <BUGabundo_DrWho> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_receives
[23:06] <micahg> BUGabundo_DrWho: yes :)
[23:12] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: fyi, bug #599928 came in. I cannot reproduce and this is something I explicitly test for
[23:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599928 in firefox (Ubuntu) "cannot create a new folder/ link/ separator on the quick link bar (above the tabs and below the address line) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599928
[23:14] <micahg> BUGabundo_DrWho: apparently Dr Who sent you into a time warp :)
[23:14] <BUGabundo_DrWho> yep
[23:14] <BUGabundo_DrWho> I've been rickroled
[23:14] <micahg> jdstrand: use needs to restart firefox after the update
[23:14] <micahg> *user
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, i was thinking what micahg just said
[23:15]  * micahg was going to comment later
[23:15] <jdstrand> that's what I was thinking too
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> those empty dialog boxes are tell-tale signs of the user having not restarted
[23:15] <jdstrand> alright, I'm heading out for a while now for real
[23:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: and extensions patch of /u/l/firefox-3.6.3 is a good hint too :)
[23:15] <micahg> *path
[23:16] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ah, i didn't spot that
[23:33] <ddecator> fta: i know it is, but they don't have a codename for FF 4.0 yet so i wasn't sure what to put. that can be changed quickly though, i just put something so i could make sure it would build.
[23:36] <ddecator> fta: oh, that part...i never even noticed that changed :p
[23:45] <ddecator> fixed that little issue, didn't see any others..


[01:45] <ball> Should I be concerned if a package installed "tracker-miner-fs-3.service"?
[01:55] <daftykins> https://www.reddit.com/r/SolusProject/comments/atckw3/what_exactly_is_trackerminerfs_as_shown_under/
[01:55] <daftykins> nope but wow, terrible name
[01:55] <ball> Thanks
[11:00]  * zxmpi_ looks at last weetabix of the year. porridge till spring
[11:17] <m0nkey_> Why does weetabix still exist? I mean, it's always seemed odd that you'd purposely wants all of the cereal to be stuck together making it annoying to eat.
[11:18] <m0nkey_> If you're going to have wheat, just turn it into a liquid so I can drink it. Way more efficient.
[15:33] <daftykins> heh