[01:19] <superm1> i switched out the return statements for prints
[01:19] <superm1> and they worked as expected
[01:20] <therethinker2> Well, now it just crashes, so its a problem eariler on
[01:20] <therethinker2> i got it from here
[01:20] <superm1> probably import os or import string?
[01:21] <superm1> no those are both imported
[01:21] <superm1> hm
[01:21] <therethinker2> Nope... something so bad, I don't dare say and shame myself
[01:21] <superm1> well probably good you didn't push then :)
[01:21] <therethinker2> Oh wow, I did it, and its root
[01:21] <therethinker2> :P
[01:23] <superm1> foxbuntu, the way you did it, you broke the existing vbox behavior
[01:23] <foxbuntu> arg
[01:23] <superm1> which of those buttons got highlighted was controlled by what was installed
[01:23] <foxbuntu> why?
[01:23] <superm1> so for example the old box called synaptic_vbox
[01:24] <superm1> can't just be deleted
[01:24] <superm1> unless you modify the code
[01:24] <superm1> which it probably can be taken out of the code now anyway : software-properties-gtk has it
[01:24] <superm1> and is a dependency of mythbuntu-control-centre
[01:25] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok
[01:25] <foxbuntu> so what do I need to do to fix it?
[01:26] <superm1> find the references to it in core.py
[01:26] <superm1> and clean them up
[01:26] <superm1> you could debug this in the future by running m-c-c like this 'sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre'
[01:27] <foxbuntu> ok
[01:28] <foxbuntu> i did a cut and paste though
[01:28] <superm1> you didn't cut the vbox it was in
[01:28] <superm1> 'synaptic_vbox'
[01:28] <superm1> is what it was in
[01:28] <foxbuntu> oh
[01:28] <superm1> update manager and terminal probably had similar ones
[01:28] <foxbuntu> ok
[01:29] <foxbuntu> so I gotta find those in core right?
[01:31] <superm1> that is where it crashes correct?
[01:33] <therethinker2> Oh
[01:33] <therethinker2> I have an idea
[01:34] <superm1> uh oh.  are you doing that thinking thing again
[01:34] <therethinker2> Yes
[01:34] <superm1> today is about coding.  not thinking silly.
[01:34] <therethinker2> Give me asprin, I have headache
[01:34] <therethinker2> Rather than launch a terminal and change the user
[01:34] <therethinker2> I'll launch the terminal as the user
[01:35] <therethinker2> su USER -c COMMAND
[01:37] <superm1> ha.
[01:37] <superm1> does that work?
[01:38] <therethinker2> er... no
[01:38] <superm1> to solve your current problem
[01:38] <superm1> what is the current problem then?
[01:38] <superm1> have you tried to add print statements?
[01:38] <therethinker2> Well, the problem is launching it
[01:38] <therethinker2> Yep
[01:38] <superm1> to make sure that its properly passing data
[01:38] <superm1> and is it?
[01:38] <therethinker2> Yep
[01:38] <therethinker2> Yep
[01:38] <superm1> so what's the problem then :)
[01:38] <therethinker2> launching the terminal as user X
[01:40] <therethinker2> found it
[01:40] <therethinker2> spaces
[01:40] <superm1> oh those things are pretty annoying
[01:44] <therethinker2> Iknow,Idon'tthinkweshouldactuallyusethem
[01:44] <therethinker2> diespaces!!
[01:45] <OpenMediaSupport> laga: You around?
[01:45] <therethinker2> laga: ping
[01:46] <therethinker2> WHOO
[01:46] <therethinker2> it worked :D
[01:47] <therethinker2> And pushed
[01:47] <therethinker2> well, pushing
[01:49] <superm1> woah OpenMediaSupport is alive :)
[01:50] <OpenMediaSupport> Sorry.. Been a bit distracted of late.
[01:50] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1: Your beta rocks by the way.
[01:50] <superm1> thanks :)
[01:50] <superm1> you like Xfce?
[01:50] <OpenMediaSupport> Do you know what laga was after? Was is the mysql optimisations?
[01:50] <superm1> yeah mysql stuff
[01:50] <superm1> he wanted to know what sort of things you guys were up to
[01:51] <superm1> so he could implement them into m-c-c
[01:51] <OpenMediaSupport> I've alwasy liked xfce. I like how you've used it.
[01:51] <OpenMediaSupport> Is there a ticket I can add some notes into on launchpad?
[01:51] <superm1> i dont think so
[01:51] <OpenMediaSupport> Most of our settings are the same as vanilla knoppmyth.
[01:52] <superm1> i see
[01:57] <therethinker2> anything else
[01:57] <therethinker2> nevermind
[01:57] <OpenMediaSupport> I don't have any mythbuntu instances booted. Do you set any values in my.cnf at present?
[01:57] <superm1> OpenMediaSupport, well beyond defaults no, but laga has some new stuff in m-c-c
[01:58] <superm1> if you look at the m-c-c branch
[01:58] <OpenMediaSupport> OK.
[01:59] <tazgodx> so just curious, is there a way to get web movies playing in mythbrowser? like videos from stage6.com and youtube?
[02:00] <OpenMediaSupport> superm1: Details at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39811/
[02:01] <superm1> OpenMediaSupport, okay cool.  laga will be greatful :)
[02:01] <OpenMediaSupport> I tried foxbuntu's settings but I couldn't see any major performance differences, but my test rig doesn't have a huge database.
[02:02] <foxbuntu> OpenMediaSupport, if your DB is stock (not much in it) you wont see much of a difference it only makes a difference as the DB grows
[02:02] <superm1> therethinker2, okay one thing
[02:02] <superm1> it spawns the terminal but doesn't hide m-c-c
[02:02] <superm1> is that how you wanted it to work?
[02:03] <superm1> because the old way was pretty much spawning , hiding m-c-c, and then after the terminal quit, m-c-c came back
[02:07] <therethinker> Hmmm
[02:07] <therethinker> I didn't like when it was hidden
[02:07] <therethinker> but I guess I can see why people might want it to hide
[02:16] <superm1> well either hide that or don't hide the other launchables
[02:16] <superm1> your call :)
[02:18] <superm1> therethinker, otherwise good job :)
[02:19] <superm1> therethinker, one last thing i had in store for m-c-c if you want it.  i expect this one to be "fun" though
[02:33] <therethinker2> sure, what is it>?
[02:34] <therethinker2> although I think you've said that everything is fun
[02:34] <superm1> haha
[02:34] <superm1> and isn't it?
[02:34] <superm1> well there is a last tab
[02:34] <therethinker2> ...damn you
[02:34] <superm1> that is deactivated
[02:34] <therethinker2> Whoo tabbage
[02:34] <superm1> Network Shares
[02:34] <superm1> this one has a lot less code to match it yet
[02:34] <therethinker2> Yes
[02:35] <superm1> and will require some python-samba action
[02:35] <therethinker2> I haven't seen anything on it
[02:35] <therethinker2> Although... some samba
[02:35] <superm1> and if it exists (python-nfs)
[02:35] <therethinker2> :P
[02:35] <superm1> so this one, if you don't get figured out, no biggie, i was planning to defer until hardy because it looked like trouble
[02:35] <therethinker2> Yeah
[02:38] <therethinker2> was this always there?
[02:38] <superm1> what do you mean?
[02:38] <superm1> the tab?
[02:38] <therethinker2> Shows how observent I was :p
[02:38] <therethinker2> I never saw it
[02:38] <therethinker2> or the glade file
[02:38] <superm1> well its not marked visible
[02:38] <superm1> the glade file has always been tehre
[02:38] <superm1> but the tab was off because it wasn't sorted out yet
[02:38] <therethinker2> Yeah, so I am blind
[02:39] <therethinker2> hmm.. cool
[02:40] <tazgodx> i have a PVR-350 that came with a remote, its the grey remote with the 4 color buttons accross the bottom, which remote should i choose during setup for that remote?
[02:40] <laga> re
[02:41] <therethinker2> G'night laga
[02:41] <superm1> hey laga
[02:41] <superm1> OpenMediaSupport, showed up
[02:41] <therethinker2> Who are they exactly
[02:41] <superm1> i pm'ed you what was said
[02:41] <therethinker2> that's so... amazing?
[02:42] <laga> OpenMediaSupport: thanks!
[02:42] <laga> superm1: yeah, saw it.
[02:42] <superm1> therethinker, i thought of something.
[02:42] <superm1> during that apt get update
[02:42] <therethinker2> Yep
[02:42] <superm1> i'm gonna see if that progress can be shown in the terminal window
[02:42] <superm1> i'll experiment
[02:42] <therethinker2> Yeah
[02:43] <therethinker2> I think its xterm [--some-modifier]  apt-get update
[02:43] <therethinker2> xterm is the small black one
[02:43] <superm1> well i mean in the m-c-c window
[02:43] <superm1> there is a way to do it
[02:43] <therethinker2> Oh
[02:44] <superm1> i'll take care of it
[02:44] <superm1> don't worry
[02:44] <laga> DaveMorris: oh, nothing. just clueless people testing bleeding-edge software, but i'll stop before someone fuels my misanthropy again by accusing me of talking shit :)
[02:46] <laga> foxbuntu's suggestion looks similar to the one posted on the mailing list
[02:47] <superm1> coincidence?
[02:47] <superm1> i think not.
[02:47] <therethinker2> :P
[02:48] <therethinker2> That was worthy of CAPS
[02:48] <superm1> haha your right it was
[02:48] <superm1> well it would have been if he was here
[02:48] <superm1> wonder if he got scared of the little python
[02:48] <therethinker2> :P
[02:48] <therethinker2> THICK gloves
[02:49] <therethinker2> IRC needs italics :P
[02:49] <laga> /test/
[02:49] <laga> hum, not working
[02:49] <therethinker2> \test\
[02:49] <laga> superm1: your school stuff must be horrible
[02:49] <therethinker2> _test_
[02:49] <therethinker2> :P
[02:49] <therethinker2> I do that too
[02:49] <laga> <3 polemic
[02:50] <therethinker2> How to I view bugs for MCC
[02:50] <therethinker2> I've seen it before
[02:50] <therethinker2> but I can never remmber how to get ot it...
[02:51] <therethinker2> Yeah, so I fixed 2 bugs
[02:51] <laga> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-control-centre/
[02:51] <laga> or so
[02:51] <laga> -> bugs
[02:51] <superm1> well two reported bugs
[02:51] <laga> therethinker2: cool
[02:51] <therethinker2> Yeah
[02:51] <superm1> you've handled a lot more today
[02:51] <superm1> lots of stuff that's been on the todo
[02:52] <laga> come to think of it, i fixed a bug, too. one which i reported myself, but hey. ;)
[02:52] <therethinker2> Yeah, "Err... this isn't working"
[02:52] <superm1> i fixed one that i found without needing to report
[02:52] <therethinker2> *10 minutes later*
[02:52] <therethinker2> I fixed it! I'm a genius!
[02:52] <therethinker2> I think I did that on IRC quite a few times... quite too often
[02:53] <laga> superm1: i always hope someone else takes care of it, but that doesn#t happen a lot :)
[02:54] <therethinker2> When do the Archives close?
[02:55] <laga> yesterday or so.
[02:55] <therethinker> That's nice
[02:55] <laga> i was gonna suggest to make a -fixes branch for mcc where we merge translations. but since the archives are already closed..
[02:55] <therethinker> that sucks...
[02:56] <therethinker> When do they "open" again :P
[02:56] <superm1> well this is goign to be pushed
[02:56] <superm1> but i need to poke
[02:56] <superm1> on monday to convince them that it doesnt break
[02:56] <superm1> or tomorrow
[02:56] <superm1> or whenever i find an archive admin
[02:56] <therethinker> This is universe, or multiverse?
[02:56] <superm1> universe
[02:57] <therethinker> Hmm,
[02:57] <laga> it should be in multiverse unless i misunderstood something
[02:57] <therethinker> Yeah
[02:57] <laga> (i do know it's in universe, but it depends on mythtv-common)
[02:57] <therethinker> Yeah
[02:57] <laga> superm1: it fixes some known bugs as well and it#s maintained by ubuntu people so it shouldn't be a problem
[02:57] <superm1> well it itself is okay to be in universe though
[02:58] <superm1> it doesnt link with any wacky stuff
[02:58] <superm1> laga, well that's my argument for monday
[02:58] <morphinex> heh, finally got my entire myth system working, thanks for all the hard work guys :)
[02:58] <superm1> but as i learned with the SRU, this is a pia when we're in freeze mode
[02:58] <laga> superm1: heh
[02:58] <therethinker> Whoo 12 days 'till gutsy :D
[02:59] <laga> we were a bit late with mcc, right
[02:59] <laga> let's do better in 6 months :)
[03:00] <therethinker> Yes
[03:00] <therethinker> I think MCC will be done in 2 :P
[03:00] <therethinker> I don't think we can do much more to it...
[03:00] <superm1> are you kidding?
[03:00] <superm1> code rework
[03:01] <superm1> it needs it sooo bad.
[03:01] <superm1> especially if mythpython is going to be used
[03:01] <superm1> this needs to be less tied to gtk
[03:01] <laga> if mythpython ever gets anywhere
[03:01] <therethinker> Oh yeah...
[03:02] <superm1> and we really needs a libmythbuntu
[03:02] <superm1> there is sooo much code duplications
[03:02] <superm1> everywhere
[03:02] <laga> in python?
[03:02] <laga> yes
[03:02] <therethinker2> Yes
[03:02] <laga> superm1: sorry that i couldn't convert the lirc stuff to debconf :/
[03:03] <therethinker2> Do you want me to do like libmcc? :P
[03:03] <superm1> oh i forgot about that
[03:03] <superm1> crap.
[03:03] <superm1> therethinker2, its not just in m-c-c
[03:03] <superm1> there are multiple other python apps
[03:03] <superm1> that we use
[03:03] <therethinker2> Yeah, I know
[03:03] <superm1> that do very similar calls
[03:03] <superm1> all over
[03:03] <superm1> the board
[03:03] <therethinker2> Hmm
[03:03] <therethinker2> Is there ANY hope in getting a libmyth?
[03:03] <laga> there is a libmyth
[03:03] <therethinker2> like, is there a blueprint
[03:04] <therethinker2> Oh, there is
[03:04] <laga> it's just c++ ;)
[03:04] <therethinker2> ohhh
[03:04] <superm1> the nice thing about doing this whole thing in python was that could easily rely on ubuntu's existing python infrastructure
[03:04] <superm1> for stuff like apt
[03:04] <laga> there's mythpython, the mythtv perl bindings and some even more limited python bindings
[03:04] <therethinker2> Exactly
[03:04] <superm1> whereas you go to C, and it turns not so pretty
[03:04] <therethinker2> yeah
[03:05] <laga> python + glade seems like the right job for this task, IMHO. just need to make it structured.
[03:05] <therethinker2> Yeah
[03:06] <laga> i need to upload the feisty packages, darn
[03:06] <therethinker2> Should I build MCC for fiesty?
[03:06] <therethinker2> Is it possible? :P
[03:06] <laga> no
[03:06] <therethinker2> figured
[03:06] <laga> :)
[03:06] <laga> we depend on some gutsy stuff
[03:06] <therethinker2> Of course.
[03:07] <superm1> there is so much stuff in gutsy that would not backport
[03:07] <superm1> even if we tried
[03:07] <superm1> :)
[03:07] <laga> i think i need to delete my ~/.kde dir. there's too much weird stuff going on.
[03:08] <laga> hat was not a joke. that's a real problem ;)
[03:08] <therethinker2> I know, but if I understood, I'd say "heh"
[03:08] <laga> i tend to get crash reports on login from program i was not running. which feels like windows ME to me
[03:08] <therethinker2> AHH
[03:09] <superm1> therethinker2, your gonna like the change i am about to commit
[03:09] <laga> windows me. spreading fear among geeks since .. well, whenever
[03:10] <therethinker> I've used Win. ME for 2 years... uughh
[03:11] <superm1> therethinker, even better, it happened in revno 100
[03:11] <therethinker> At least they had sys. restore...
[03:11] <therethinker> Whoo@
[03:11] <therethinker> We should throw a party
[03:11] <superm1> update and turn on and off your medibuntu
[03:11] <superm1> and checkout what happens
[03:11] <therethinker> NOOOOO
[03:11] <superm1> you'll be in awe and/or amazement
[03:11] <therethinker> *looks at diff*
[03:12] <therethinker2> Ahh! BLING
[03:13] <laga> ohy. the i386 PPA must hae a long queue by now.
[03:13] <laga> mythtv-additional-themes was queued 13 hours ago and it's still not built
[03:13] <superm1> yikes
[03:13] <therethinker2> Eugh
[03:14] <superm1> don't like it therethinker2 ?
[03:14] <therethinker2> not sure
[03:14] <therethinker2> its building
[03:14] <therethinker2> is there a quicker way?
[03:14] <therethinker2> Eugh was @ laga
[03:15] <superm1> other than debuild
[03:15] <superm1> no
[03:15] <therethinker2> k
[03:15] <therethinker2> Nice
[03:16] <therethinker2> We need to add the medibuntu keys
[03:16] <superm1> therethinker2, oh that's right
[03:16] <therethinker2> How can we make sure we do that only ONCE
[03:17] <laga> query the key ring?
[03:17] <superm1> apt-key list | grep blah
[03:17] <OpenMediaSupport> laga: Whats in the additional themes, or is still just a placeholder?
[03:17] <therethinker2> Good'un
[03:18] <laga> OpenMediaSupport: juski's themes in trunk
[03:18] <OpenMediaSupport> laga: Nice..
[03:18] <OpenMediaSupport> Since 0.20.2 these larger themes have become usable..
[03:19] <laga> yes, the memory usage improvements are nie.
[03:19] <superm1> laga, can you push those to the normal mythbuntu ppa too?
[03:20] <therethinker2> Ah, figured out how to do it
[03:20] <superm1> even though they can't get into the archive, we can still build our disks with them i guess.
[03:20] <therethinker2> I'll get on it
[03:20] <superm1> laga, how big is the resultant binary?
[03:21] <therethinker2> Do you know where the documentation is for apt python?
[03:21] <laga> superm1: no, i can't. they pull from svn and it's only applicable to trunk. if you want me to package some themes for fixes, i can do that but it's not that easy
[03:21] <therethinker2> eh, I've poked around and found some stuff
[03:21] <therethinker2> I'll ask if I still cant' find what I need
[03:23] <therethinker2> and yeah, everythings blank
[03:23] <superm1> therethinker2, everything's blank?
[03:23] <superm1> laga, they're only applicable for trunk?
[03:23] <therethinker2> Well, all the sites, IE sourceforge, didn't have any doucmentation on it
[03:23] <superm1> i thought that the same binary worked on both/
[03:24] <therethinker2> and the doc folder just had some irrelivant examples
[03:24] <laga> yikes. i'll have to push the feisty trunk builds tomorrow. the svn revision will differ but oh well.
[03:24] <superm1> therethinker2, the best place to look for apt keyring stuff in python
[03:24] <laga> superm1: i'm not sure about that. i doubt it for now :)
[03:24] <therethinker2> ... is...
[03:24] <superm1> is software-sources-gtk
[03:24] <laga> superm1: there are theme changes between trunk and fixes
[03:24] <superm1> look at its source
[03:24] <therethinker2> yay, thanks
[03:24] <superm1> they use apt in there
[03:24] <therethinker2> Oh, yeah, I remember poking in there
[03:24] <superm1> that is how i got the synaptic bling
[03:24] <superm1> through them
[03:25] <therethinker2> Yay stealing!
[03:25] <superm1> they're credited
[03:25] <laga> yay, software communism!
[03:25] <therethinker2> Yeah, I was joking
[03:25] <therethinker2> :P
[03:25] <therethinker2> Yay open source!
[03:25] <superm1> laga, really?
[03:25] <superm1> i didn't consider that
[03:25] <laga> superm1: wrt communism or themes?
[03:25] <superm1> haha
[03:25] <therethinker2> Hmm
[03:25] <superm1> themes
[03:25] <superm1> i thought that stuff like blootube you could get there
[03:25] <superm1> and go with ti
[03:25] <therethinker2> It is kinda communism...
[03:26] <laga> superm1: yes, there are differences. some themes wont work anymore because of that, eg purpegalaxy
[03:26] <laga> superm1: there are versions for -fixes, of course.
[03:26] <superm1> oh purplegalaxy never worked anyway
[03:26] <laga> superm1: i think it did when i started a few years ago
[03:27] <laga> superm1: this is a secondary backend and mysql-server is installed. however, in the system services tab, "mysql service" or whatever the english string is is set to "deactivated"
[03:28] <laga> but without looking at the code, i'm afraid that it's a translation problem.
[03:28] <superm1> laga, yeah that is only valid on master backend
[03:28] <superm1> mythtv-backend-master?
[03:28] <superm1> i thought
[03:28] <laga> ah, ok
[03:29] <laga> still, i can toggle it and stuff gets installed
[03:29] <laga> odd.
[03:30] <laga> now it's greyed out
[03:30] <laga> i give up and chalk it off as "works as intended" O_O
[03:30] <superm1> so is something borke or no?
[03:31] <therethinker> :P
[03:31] <therethinker> Again, that's the bugfixer's mantra
[03:31] <laga> no.
[03:31] <laga> superm1: sorry for the confusion
[03:31] <laga> i got confused by my translation.
[03:32] <superm1> i'm still confused.  but okay
[03:32] <laga> i basically translated activated as "to activate"
[03:33] <laga> what else is needed for final? unionfs?
[03:34] <OpenMediaSupport> Anyone got some specs on the smallest possible mythbuntu frontend install?
[03:34] <laga> oh, superm1: what was that about mythbuntu-default-settings? i was supposed to merge ubuntu-mythtv-frontend in there, but you said something about trouble
[03:34] <superm1> well i think this is good as long as nothing else breaks (m-c-c)
[03:34] <superm1> laga, yeah that's right
[03:34] <superm1> so
[03:34] <therethinker2> Whoo
[03:34] <therethinker2> andding keys is easy :P
[03:35] <superm1> the new way that xfce and stuff works
[03:35] <superm1> awesome
[03:35] <superm1> the frontend is started by symlinking /usr/share/applications/mythtv.desktop to ~/.config/autostart/mythtv.desktop
[03:35] <superm1> so the only way to really implement the logging support would be directly within the 'mythtv' package in it's .desktop file
[03:35] <superm1> or by changing the behavior that m-c-c does
[03:36] <superm1> OpenMediaSupport, smallest frontend only?
[03:36] <OpenMediaSupport> Yeah.. Basically a lite install for flash based frontends
[03:36] <OpenMediaSupport> At the moment Its about 1.3G which is high
[03:36] <superm1> well i imaging ~800
[03:36] <superm1> but i dont know for sure
[03:36] <superm1> i can fire up a vm and check though
[03:37] <OpenMediaSupport> Hmmm Things like themes and mytharchive don't helpo
[03:37] <OpenMediaSupport> I'll try to build as clean a frontend as I can and then see what is still "surplus"
[03:37] <superm1> well so by smallest what do yo ureally mean
[03:37] <laga> superm1: ok. i could imagine a wrapper script which does most of the stuff startmythtv.sh did. so, if someone clicks on the desktop file everything goes to /var/log/mythtv/ and if it#s started in the terminal everything is back to normal
[03:37] <superm1> you want literally smallest, no plugins
[03:37] <OpenMediaSupport> Runs on a 1Gb stick
[03:37] <superm1> no themes
[03:37] <superm1> etc
[03:37] <OpenMediaSupport> some themes, no need for mytharchive etc.
[03:38] <superm1> OpenMediaSupport, how about i tell you the absolute smallest with no plugins, and you can add what you want from there
[03:38] <OpenMediaSupport> Could stretch to a 2Gb stick, but 1Gb would be nice
[03:38] <OpenMediaSupport> Cheers
[03:38] <superm1> i have a feeling that there are extra dependencies that we didn't take care of though
[03:38] <superm1> in terms of removal
[03:38] <laga> 1Gb was no problem with feisty here...
[03:38] <superm1> but i dont know for sure
[03:39] <laga> could go as low as 700 to 800M by removing locales and man pages :)
[03:39] <superm1> laga, well the thing is that desktop file isn't double clicked
[03:39] <OpenMediaSupport> I'm looking at 1 or 2 Gb flash and 512Mb Ram
[03:39] <superm1> its automatically started
[03:39] <superm1> 2gb will be no trouble for sure
[03:39] <laga> superm1: what would that change wrt logging?
[03:39] <OpenMediaSupport> Yeah. 2gb is easy
[03:39] <superm1> well you dont want to log all the time on the desktop file do you?
[03:39] <OpenMediaSupport> Might be worth it to cut down on the pain
[03:39] <superm1> like even on normal installs?
[03:39] <laga> superm1: why not?
[03:39] <superm1> well i guess
[03:40] <superm1> ugh i pushed mythtv though already, i wonder whether or not i can push the same version again
[03:40] <superm1> since it hasn't cleared
[03:40] <laga> superm1: it's almost 4am here, i wont get any work done tonight
[03:40] <superm1> laga, okay well if it doesn't get acked by an admin tomorrow
[03:40] <superm1> then we'll add this in somehow
[03:40] <superm1> otherwise for hardy
[03:42] <laga> superm1: ok.
[03:44] <laga> feisty + ubuntu-mythtv-frontend: 60M, gutsy + xfce + no frontend = 128M :/
[03:44] <laga> that was on different boxen, though
[03:44] <superm1> i'll tell you when i finish this install
[03:44] <superm1> turned off every possible install option
[03:44] <superm1> well what do you need the ram for anyway though?
[03:45] <superm1> it's overrated
[03:45] <laga> my bedroom frontend only has 128M and it's not upgradeable without a soldering iron and the matching pair of chips :)
[03:46] <superm1> oh that can be trouble indeed then
[03:46] <therethinker2> do you have to remove keys?
[03:46] <therethinker2> Or can we just leave it there
[03:46] <superm1> this is why i kinda wanted an option to still use ubuntu-mythtv-frontend, but eh
[03:46] <superm1> leave them i say
[03:47] <therethinker2> yay less coding!
[03:47] <laga> superm1: it's ok, i can still use ubuntu-mythtv-frontend.
[03:48] <superm1> maybe in hardy we can sort out a frontend and frontend-lite option
[03:48] <superm1> well better yet
[03:48] <superm1> frontend-heavy
[03:48] <superm1> frontend
[03:48] <superm1> and frontend-light
[03:48] <superm1> and then default to frontend
[03:49] <laga> superm1: 'm even thinking about ordering another box like that. fanless, wlan built-in, very good tv-out (which requires nasty proprietary driver, but OK), turns on using the remote, draws like 20W. celeron 733 and can be had for 50 :)
[03:49] <superm1> doesn't sound like a bad deal at all
[03:49] <superm1> especially if that proprietary driver is nvidia
[03:49] <laga> no, it's intel. you have to tell X to ignore the ABI versions ;)
[03:50] <superm1> intel has proprietary drivers?
[03:50] <superm1> wha?
[03:50] <laga> one day i'll just stop upgrading stuff and be happy with the status quo :)
[03:50] <laga> superm1: yes.
[03:50] <laga> superm1: the IEGD
[03:50] <superm1> crazyness
[03:50] <laga> it's the tv-out encoder which needs a binary-only module
[03:51] <superm1> eh maybe its not a smart idea to be doing virtual machine, burn dual layer dvd, ff, OOo, geany, xchat all at same time
[03:51] <superm1> i wonder which one decides to lose first
[03:51] <laga> hum
[03:51] <laga> OOo i say
[03:52] <superm1> well i'm only using 1.4/2 gb ram.  maybe i'm fine
[03:52] <therethinker2> Do you have FF too/
[03:52] <therethinker2> Thats a big waste
[03:52] <superm1> yeah
[03:53] <laga> it's not a big waste unless you wat a browser
[03:53] <therethinker2> Its taken up 1.4GB RAM for me before...
[03:53] <therethinker2> I use Epiphany...
[03:53] <laga> i used to have like 200 tabs in FF
[03:53] <therethinker2> Haha me too :P
[03:53] <superm1> na ff is only using 125
[03:53] <superm1> and thats because both acroread and java are running within it
[03:54] <laga> sounds crashtasti
[03:54] <laga> c
[03:54] <therethinker2> Yeah, I had Meebo, Pandora, and 198 other tabs running in it, its very demanding
[03:54] <therethinker2> now I just use Gaim, and Epiphany... and try to use less tabs
[03:55] <superm1> okay lets see how much this VM is using now that it finished
[03:55] <laga> therethinker2: i just bought  a gig of ram ;)
[03:55] <therethinker2> I only gave mine 400MB, and its doing surprisingly well O_o
[03:55] <therethinker2> How much do you have now?
[03:56] <therethinker2> (total)?
[03:56] <therethinker2> I have only 2GB... I think I need more...
[03:56] <superm1> well according to free -m: mem used: 288.  +/- buffers cache: 72
[03:56] <superm1> with a full out frontend running in xfce
[03:57] <laga> and w/o a frontend?
[03:57] <superm1> w/
[03:57] <superm1> oh
[03:57] <superm1> give me a sec, i'm apt get autoremoving
[03:57] <therethinker2> I'm running about 20 tabs in FF, Glade, Gedit with 20 tabs, pidgin, and a few nautiluses. (In GNOME) I'm using 200MB ram and 200MB swap. (VM)
[03:58] <superm1> OpenMediaSupport, it's just around ~1.1 gb post install.  apt-get autoremove claims i can free another 90 megs though
[03:58] <therethinker> My real computer is using 1.1GB Ram, just under 1GB swap
[03:58] <MythbuntuGuest06> hi
[03:58] <therethinker> .8MB away)
[03:58] <therethinker> Hello
[03:58] <superm1> OpenMediaSupport, so in the end 965 mb
[03:59] <MythbuntuGuest06> When installing to disk, should I use the guided partitioning? or should i manually set my own partitiong from following the ubuntu help community mythtv pages
[03:59] <therethinker> I'd guess the manual
[03:59] <therethinker> Don't hold me to it, though
[03:59] <MythbuntuGuest06> arg... i just did guided, and i think it did everything ext3 ...
[04:00] <MythbuntuGuest06> how do you check the partiton skeem?  nano /etc/fstab
[04:00] <MythbuntuGuest06> ?
[04:00] <superm1> laga, w/o frontend running: used 347 and +/- buffers/cache 63
[04:00] <superm1> wha?
[04:00] <superm1> that doesn't make sense.
[04:00] <superm1> i dont trust free -m anymore
[04:01] <laga> can you paste the complete output?
[04:01] <MythbuntuGuest06> ?
[04:01] <superm1> let me give it a fresh boot
[04:01] <laga> MythbuntuGuest06: cat /proc/partitions as well
[04:01] <therethinker2> GReat. I'll push the key fix
[04:01] <superm1> awesome
[04:02] <superm1> this has to have been m-c-c's most productive day since i first coded her
[04:02] <MythbuntuGuest06> laga thanks
[04:02] <therethinker2> :P
[04:02] <therethinker2> Yep, because of me :D
[04:02] <therethinker2> jk :p
[04:03] <laga> therethinker2: :P
[04:03] <therethinker2> ...okay maybe I do...
[04:04] <superm1> laga, http://pastebin.org/4287
[04:04] <therethinker2> Okay, I think i've figured out bzr. And how to upload only once :P
[04:05] <superm1> yeah it took me a while to figure it out
[04:05] <therethinker2> Although, I still dont get merging
[04:05] <therethinker2> it won't let you unless you commit
[04:05] <therethinker2> then you cant push if you dont commit again
[04:05] <superm1> if you look at olive-gtk's log output
[04:05] <laga> superm1: ho-hum. ok, that looks good.
[04:05] <superm1> you'll understand it a little better i think
[04:06] <therethinker2> Should I add more codecs?
[04:06] <laga> superm1: guess ill take back my xfce FUD :)
[04:06] <laga> therethinker2: maybe ffmpeg?
[04:06] <therethinker2> k
[04:06] <therethinker2> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/packages.php
[04:06] <superm1> laga, so -/+ buffers/cache means how much its really using?
[04:06] <MythbuntuGuest06> arg ... yea guided did just an ext3/swap partitions
[04:06] <laga> superm1: yes
[04:06] <therethinker2> I'm wondering what "non-free-codecs" is
[04:06] <superm1> ah neat
[04:06] <superm1> then that's not bad at all
[04:06] <MythbuntuGuest06> to setup mythbuntu, should i just follow the feisty fawn mythtv pages?
[04:06] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest06, no.
[04:07] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest06, see www.mythbuntu.org
[04:07] <superm1> download the ISO image
[04:07] <superm1> and install from that
[04:07] <laga> superm1: no, it's ok. might almost consider upgrading, but thaT'd mean i lost my customizations :)
[04:07] <superm1> well ideally we should all be committing our customizations upstream
[04:07] <superm1> so other people can use them
[04:07] <superm1> i've tried to do so for as much of my stuff as i could
[04:07] <laga> oh well, i'll keep the box as long as i want to build for feisty.
[04:07] <laga> superm1: no, i mean my very own stuff.
[04:08] <superm1> o
[04:08] <laga> :)
[04:08] <laga> even though that's not much, mostly the apple trailers
[04:08] <superm1> laga, perhaps you should go to bed now?
[04:08] <laga> yes, mom
[04:08] <superm1> 408
[04:09] <superm1> its pretty early
[04:09] <superm1> i'm just saying
[04:09] <superm1> if you want t obe productive in fixing stuff :)
[04:09] <superm1> tomrorow and all
[04:09] <laga> i dont get up before 12 anyways. :>
[04:10] <superm1> haha
[04:12] <therethinker2> What should ffmeg's tooltip be?
[04:12] <therethinker2> Then I'm done
[04:13] <therethinker2> ... *leaves blank*
[04:13] <laga> something obscene
[04:13] <therethinker2> XD
[04:13] <therethinker2> "You know this is illegal, you bastard?"
 It sounds like a bot :P
[04:18] <DiggThis> couldnt think of anything else lol
[04:18] <therethinker2> :P
[04:19] <DiggThis> superm1 or anyone that knows: i need to install linux headers 2.6.22-12 generic but cannot. Is there a way??
[04:19] <superm1> um therethinker2 doesn't need to be sudo apt-get
[04:19] <superm1> just apt-key
[04:19] <superm1> afaik
[04:19] <therethinker2> I did...
[04:19] <superm1> since it already runs as root
[04:19] <superm1> DiggThis, you need to update to linux-image-2.6.22-13
[04:19] <superm1> and install linux-headers-2.6.22-13-
[04:20] <laga> 1549 downloads for i386 beta, 273 for amd64 beta. woohoo.
[04:20] <superm1> -12 is out o tthe repos now
[04:20] <therethinker2> Wiw
[04:20] <superm1> okay i'm done with mythbuntu stuff for tonight
[04:20] <DiggThis> u mean dist-upgrade?
[04:20] <therethinker2> Thats a lot more than before
[04:20] <superm1> i  need to get back to homework :)
[04:20] <therethinker2> :P
[04:20] <therethinker2> Have monday off, though :P
[04:20] <laga> bye superm1
[04:20] <DiggThis> will dist-upgrade work?
[04:20] <therethinker2> Bye
[04:21] <superm1> cu guys.  i'm holding off pushing until tomorrow morning
[04:21] <superm1> so if you need to get anything else in go for it
[04:21] <MythbuntuGuest06> superm1 - i downloaded the iso and installed from the mythbutnu beta image.  I did the guided partitioning.  Is that ok?
[04:21] <therethinker2> Whats new
[04:21] <superm1> but as of now, everything looks pretty good
[04:21] <MythbuntuGuest06> it looks like it only did an ext3 and swap partition
[04:23] <DiggThis> superm1 before you go what is the command for linux headers?
[04:23] <troy_s> superm1: check mail
[04:26] <MythbuntuGuest06> i don't know if you are understanding my question ... or maybe im just not understanding the response
[04:27] <therethinker> I'm going to stop too
[04:27] <therethinker> I'll dream in python if I keep this up much longer
[04:27] <MythbuntuGuest06> I burnt a beta disc and did a full install on my Hard Drive.  I chose the guided partitioning, which I had no input on.  Now that it has rebooted and I am on the hard drive, I checked fstab, and I only have 2 partitions.   A swap drive and an ext3 partition.  I thought XFS was better for big files.  Should I reinstall and do a manual parititoning and make an XFS partition that is /var/lib like the fiesty fawn M
[04:28] <DiggThis> mythbuntuGuest06: id say yes thats what i did and no problems here
[04:29] <MythbuntuGuest06> k, so the guided partitioning scheme does not setup an XFS Partitiong for mythtv.
[04:30] <MythbuntuGuest06> thanks for the input, im going to reinstall now and choose manual and setup my own partitioning scheme.
[04:30] <DiggThis> mythbuntuGuest06: Don't know that..i've just found that when its manual you have control and not the setup program. good luck.
[04:30] <foxbuntu> superm1, I fixed my tab issues
[04:30] <foxbuntu> I got the app running with my tab changes
[04:37] <foxbuntu> laga, you around?
[04:38] <DiggThis> does anyone know a fix for the hash-sum mixmatch yet?
[05:14] <MitoTranin> anyone know why even though I enable the vnc server in the control center, I can't connect to the machine via vnc?
[05:14] <MitoTranin> I am assuming the service isn't started, but what's the best way to enable the service?
[05:15] <foxbuntu> therethinker, ping
[05:16] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, did you restart X after enabling it in MCC?
[05:16] <MitoTranin> I tried restarting the whole pc
[05:16] <foxbuntu> hmm
[05:16] <foxbuntu> that should have done it
[05:16] <MitoTranin> yeah... that's why I did it :)
[05:16] <MitoTranin> but the good news is, that the fact I can do that means I got it installed :)
[05:17] <MitoTranin> got past the 94% bug
[05:17] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, do this
[05:17] <MitoTranin> it was one of 2 things... I both unplugged my USB tuner, and I bumped the ram from 256 to 512
[05:17] <foxbuntu> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:18] <MitoTranin> with the intent of?
[05:18] <foxbuntu> and under SECTION "Module"
[05:18] <foxbuntu> look to make sure there is one for vnc
[05:18] <MitoTranin> Section "Module"
[05:18] <MitoTranin>         Load            "extmod"
[05:18] <MitoTranin>         Load            "type1"
[05:18] <MitoTranin>         Load            "freetype"
[05:18] <MitoTranin>         Load            "glx"
[05:18] <MitoTranin>         Load            "v4l"
[05:18] <MitoTranin> EndSection
[05:18] <MitoTranin> doesn't look like it....
[05:19] <foxbuntu> hmm
[05:19] <MitoTranin> I have edited the xorg.conf file via the editor and via the nvidia config program after I enabled it
[05:19] <MitoTranin> maybe the nvidia program wrote a clean xorg and didn't edit the existing?
[05:19] <MitoTranin> thus taking it out?
[05:19] <foxbuntu> that would do it
[05:19] <MitoTranin> I'll try disabling vnc then re-enabling it
[05:19] <foxbuntu> k
[05:20] <foxbuntu> usually, when you run the nvidia driver install/update, I suggest not allowing it to write the new conf
[05:20] <MitoTranin> bah, can't right now... my update is still going
[05:21] <foxbuntu> if its an update nothing is needed
[05:21] <MitoTranin> it had gotten stuck waiting for me to click a box
[05:21] <MitoTranin> yeah well, I was having very strange display things going on
[05:21] <MitoTranin> so I had it write it to try to fix it
[05:21] <foxbuntu> ic
[05:21] <foxbuntu> just a heads up
[05:22] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So I have two revisions -- you have one -- although I am hesitant to use the saturated version.  The other is a papery feeling (nerfed saturation and slightly different tonal range -- almost identical to a casual glance)
[05:22] <MitoTranin> (the mythtv window was huge to the point of me only being able to see the middle of the screen)
[05:22] <foxbuntu> troy_s, let me bring up my mail
[05:23] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Let me just montage the two
[05:23] <MitoTranin> the good news is that I found the easy way to avoid the bad hash errors during the updates
[05:23] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So you can get a side by each comparison.
[05:23] <foxbuntu> k
[05:23] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The reason for this fine tuning is that I plan on building a larger palette out of the result
[05:24] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, oh the huge screen there was an easier way of dealing with that
[05:24] <troy_s> foxbuntu: And then I can more or less get you a wallpaper quite quickly -- as the 'proper' wallpaper for something in this genre would be the repeated pattern...
[05:24] <foxbuntu> troy_s, great!
[05:24] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: how?  I tried many things and it wasn't working right...
[05:25] <MitoTranin> right now I finally have it set to work by using my monitors settings
[05:25] <MitoTranin> which isn't good for long-term, because in the end I plan on only using the svideo out and vnc'ing into it
[05:25] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, the nvidia easy config (or whatever its called now) has problems with certian monitors and selects bad res's for them
[05:26] <MitoTranin> yeah, it's not set to that, I had it set to 1024x768 so it would work with a tv easily, but that wasn't working
[05:26] <MitoTranin> that's when the display was huge
[05:26] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, to fix the vnc the disable/reenable will fix it as well..you are just missing the X start option for your config
[05:26] <MitoTranin> so I ended up telling it to do my monitor's normal display (1440x900) and now it works great for my monitor
[05:26] <MitoTranin> it'll be crappy again when back on the TV :)
[05:27] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, you can just change it in the xorg.conf
[05:27] <foxbuntu> and default the s-vid to the right res
[05:27] <foxbuntu> and the monitor to another
[05:28] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I think the teal in this first one is a little bright
[05:28] <MitoTranin> well, I have no tv here... in order to connect it to the tv, I have to physically move it
[05:28] <MitoTranin> thus why I need vnc access
[05:28] <foxbuntu> right
[05:28] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Well that's exactly the point
[05:28] <foxbuntu> like my system
[05:28] <foxbuntu> troy_s, ok
[05:28] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Just so there isn't any confusion -- I want you to see the option so that when people say 'Why isn't it saturated' you have a clear response -- it doesn't work with the texture / pattern.
[05:29] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Here it comes
[05:29] <foxbuntu> troy_s, gotcha
[05:29] <foxbuntu> YAY
[05:29] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So of the three, I like the last one.
[05:29] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Not that it is terribly relevant.
[05:30] <foxbuntu> troy_s, your ideas and opinion is very important on this subject
[05:31] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: what area of dev work do you do for mythbuntu other than graphics?
[05:31] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I agree with you
[05:31] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, I work a little on everything
[05:31] <MitoTranin> In my little looking sofar, I havne't found something yet...
[05:32] <tazgodx> so, does mythbuntu set up ssh?
[05:32] <foxbuntu> however my big points of contact at the Artwork and Lirc-Generator
[05:32] <MitoTranin> is there anywhere that will let you easily mount a network share?
[05:32] <MitoTranin> in my setup, I have all my recordings stored on my NAS
[05:32] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, not exatly...becuase nfs/samba aren't exatly user friendly
[05:33] <MitoTranin> that, and my pictures and music too
[05:33] <MitoTranin> well... the best way that I've seen is to put an entry in the fstab
[05:33] <foxbuntu> thats it
[05:33] <MitoTranin> nothing hard about that is there?
[05:33] <foxbuntu> troy_s, the 3rd one is nice
[05:34] <foxbuntu> it draws your eyes to the name without locking them in on it
[05:34] <MitoTranin> just make an fstab section that is filled in via a gui program
[05:34] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, might be a feature request you could file
[05:35] <MitoTranin> where would be the best place for such a request?  the launchpad?
[05:35] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, yup
[05:36] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, I am currently working on a new feature for m-c-c that allow for easy cleanup of old recordings in myth...since right now that is a giant pain
[05:36] <MitoTranin> wow... I just finished the full system update after a clean install, and then dis/re-enabled the vnc
[05:36] <MitoTranin> then rebooted...
[05:36] <MitoTranin> now the display is REALLY huge...
[05:36] <MitoTranin> "information center" takes up the whole screen left to right
[05:36] <MitoTranin> on my widescreen monitor at that
[05:36] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, do thsi
[05:36] <foxbuntu> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:37] <foxbuntu> scroll to the Display section
[05:37] <foxbuntu> look at the default depth
[05:37] <foxbuntu> and then scroll to the default depth section
[05:37] <foxbuntu> send me that line
[05:37] <MitoTranin> default depth is 24
[05:38] <MitoTranin> there are a ton of modes here that I don't want/need too... I should be safe to clean those out right?
[05:38] <foxbuntu> you got it
[05:38] <foxbuntu> just keep the formating the same
[05:38] <foxbuntu> save and restart X
[05:39] <foxbuntu> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:39] <foxbuntu> (from ssh)
[05:39] <foxbuntu> or ctrl+alt+bksp
[05:39] <foxbuntu> from the console
[05:39] <foxbuntu> sorry windows admin speak
[05:39] <foxbuntu> from the desktop
[05:40] <MitoTranin> np, I'm a windows admin :)
[05:40] <MitoTranin> that's my day job at least :)
[05:40] <foxbuntu> yea mine too
[05:40] <foxbuntu> I am an Enterprise Consultant
[05:42] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, I gtg for a few...PM me with more troubles if needed
[05:42] <foxbuntu> troy_s, be back in like 20
[06:15] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I am back now
[06:15] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Okie... anyways... 3 has the same hue as the blue background for the logo
[06:15] <troy_s> foxbuntu: more saturated (but not uber saturated)
[06:16] <troy_s> foxbuntu: It is more or less a combination of all the +1s we arrived at.
[06:16] <foxbuntu> troy_s, yea. I really like it
[06:16] <foxbuntu> troy_s, perhaps a slightly darker color for the name however
[06:17] <troy_s> foxbuntu: ok let me try a few revisions...
[06:17] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:17] <troy_s> foxbuntu: It seems to work better with the blue hue, I'll dry darker and perhaps a few alternates...
[06:17] <troy_s> hold tight for a few.
[06:17] <foxbuntu> troy_s, great
[06:18] <MitoTranin> if I change the recording location for mythtv within mythtv-setup will that screw up other things in mythbuntu?
[06:18] <MythbuntuGuest06> so, i just installed mythbuntu on my HD.  Is it normal for it to go through normal postback from bios, then go blank for a long time, then boot up into XFCE interface?
[06:18] <MitoTranin> ie: I keep my recordings on my NAS
[06:18] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Again, the point of this is to lock the logo and build our bigger palette out of it.
[06:18] <MitoTranin> and I don't really want to mount my NAS to /var/lib/mythtv
[06:18] <foxbuntu> laga, therethinker you guys here?
[06:18] <foxbuntu> troy_s, right
[06:19] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, you don't have to
[06:19] <foxbuntu> just mount it whereever you please and then change it in the frontend config
[06:19] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: that's why I was checking... to make sure moving the location in mythtv-setup wouldn't screw up other portions of mythbuntu
[06:19] <foxbuntu> nope
[06:20] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, thats just the mythtv default location
[06:20] <foxbuntu> I actually have mine mounted as /mythtv
[06:20] <MitoTranin> I've changed it in my past setups, just wanted to make sure mythbuntu didn't plan on using that location assuming people would never change it
[06:20] <MitoTranin> I do mine as /data/nas/mythtv
[06:20] <foxbuntu> because I mounted a LVM Group for storage
[06:20] <MitoTranin> but yeah :)
[06:21] <MitoTranin> MythbuntuGuest06 it will go from the post to a loading screen, and then to the gui
[06:21] <MitoTranin> there is a loading screen with a progress bar that you're probably not seeing
[06:29] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: do you know how to fix putty so that the numpad doesn't screw up when in nano?
[06:31] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, not off hand
[06:31] <foxbuntu> you might goolge it
[06:32] <MitoTranin> yeah, just thought you might know... thanks though
[06:33] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Ok.. check your mail. should be there in a moment.
[06:35] <foxbuntu> troy_s, The blue is my favorite of those
[06:36] <foxbuntu> troy_s, the Orange is intresting however I think its too...out there
[06:36] <foxbuntu> and the last one, the pink clashes too much with the look of the era
[06:37] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I really like the first one though
[06:39] <troy_s> foxbuntu: those are roughs... the idea is look at a general tone
[06:39] <troy_s> foxbuntu: make a call...
[06:41] <troy_s> foxbuntu: we can dicker with a tone if you like it or think it has potential
[06:41] <foxbuntu> troy_s, my call is #1
[06:41] <troy_s> foxbuntu: the most logical is the blue as it is the same hue as the bg palette tone, but adding a fourth tone isn't a huge deal.
[06:41] <foxbuntu> troy_s, no I think the hue there is what I was thinking
[06:41] <foxbuntu> I like it
[06:42] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Okie.  So let me polish the tones slightly and round out the palette.  the wallpaper is probably quite easy
[06:44] <foxbuntu> ok
[06:45] <foxbuntu> troy_s, the I assume the wallpaper will be done at 1600x1200 and then scaled to other resolutions correct?
[06:50] <pdragon> i'm still getting the screen saver coming on when watching videos. watching tv or recorded tv shows doesn't let it happen
[06:51] <pdragon> thought i'd heard superm1 say that was fixed
[06:56] <pdragon> ahh was already a bug openned. just added a comment there
[06:56] <tgm4883> pdragon, is this a new mythbuntu beta install?
[07:00] <pdragon> yes
[07:00] <pdragon> just now was the first time i've actually watched videos from my library so i hadn't seen it happen til just now
[07:01] <tgm4883> :(
[07:01] <tgm4883> we were hoping they would fix that
[07:01] <pdragon> well, it's not happening when i'm watching recordings or live tv
[07:01] <tgm4883> just videos?
[07:01] <pdragon> used to happen then too back in alpha
[07:01] <pdragon> yeah, just videos
[07:01] <tgm4883> ok, and you're sure it's still gnome-screensaver?
[07:02] <pdragon> um...really not sure it's gnome-screensaver actually
[07:02] <pdragon> the screen slowly fades to black
[07:02] <tgm4883> sounds like gnome-screensaver
[07:02] <pdragon> lemme check something
[07:03] <pdragon> yeah, under Screensaver Preferences it's set to activate after 10 minutes of idle
[07:03] <pdragon> that's about how long until it goes black
[07:04] <pdragon> also, i'm getting a new network icon on the bar every time i reboot
[07:04] <pdragon> i'm just full of good news!
[07:05] <pdragon> hmm... there's updates available. i haven't run and update since the day after i installed. was a fix put in since then?
[07:06] <MitoTranin> pdragon: make sure to set your updates to use the main server and not the edu server though
[07:06] <pdragon> yeah i did that
[07:06] <MitoTranin> and yeah, I'm getting more and more network icons too
[07:07] <tgm4883> thats a feature :)
[07:07] <tgm4883> we're trying to speed up your internet connection by giving you more network connections
[07:07] <pdragon> lol
[07:08] <MitoTranin> doesn't seem to be working too well there tgm4883!  I'd better restart more and get a bunch more of them!
[07:08] <pdragon> put a bug report in?
[07:08] <tgm4883> if you run ifconfig, how many network adapters show up?
[07:08] <pdragon> sec
[07:09] <pdragon> just 2. lo and etho
[07:09] <pdragon> eth0
[07:09] <tgm4883> ok
[07:09] <tgm4883> do you have wireless?
[07:09] <pdragon> nope
[07:09] <tgm4883> strange
[07:10] <tgm4883> check and see if there is a bug report filed against xubuntu
[07:10] <pdragon> should only be one icon even if there's wireless, tho, right? i have wireless on my laptop and only one icon
[07:10] <pdragon> k
[07:10] <MitoTranin> my guess is this:  it's set to startup every time you boot
[07:10] <tgm4883> yes, there should be only 1
[07:10] <MitoTranin> but the system remembers it's state, so it keeps the ones it has there...
[07:11] <MitoTranin> so it puts back what was there, and then adds another
[07:16] <MitoTranin> going through my stuff for the first time here, I don't have any devices showing up as a valid cd burner in the music options setup
[07:16] <MitoTranin> anyone know of a way to get it to know that it's cd-drive is a burner?
[07:16] <pdragon> not i, sorry
[07:17] <pdragon> xubuntu doesn't have it's own bug reporting section outside of ubuntu does it?
[07:18] <pdragon> http://www.xubuntu.org/devel#bug_triage   that just points to ubunut
[07:18] <pdragon> ubuntu
[07:21] <pdragon> not finding anything there about it anyway
[07:26] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I can do the wallpaper at whatever resolution you want.
[07:26] <troy_s> foxbuntu: To be honest, with no blur -- I see no reason why it can't remain a fully scalable SVG
[07:29] <foxbuntu> troy_s, ok thats fine too
[07:42] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, what device is your cd burner?
[07:43] <MitoTranin> /media/cdrom
[07:44] <MitoTranin> it's a DVD dual-layer burner
[07:44] <tgm4883> eh, that is probably a sym link it should be something like /dev/hdc
[07:44] <MitoTranin> oh, well, yeah
[07:44] <tgm4883> thats how mine is setup
[07:44] <tgm4883> and I can burn directly to it
[07:44] <tgm4883> /dev/hdd
[07:44] <MitoTranin> actually it's a symlink to /media/cdrom0
[07:44] <tgm4883> strange
[07:45] <MitoTranin> yeah
[07:45] <tgm4883> the device should be /dev/somethign
[07:45] <tgm4883> is it ide?
[07:45] <MitoTranin> let me throw a disk into it and see where I find that data
[07:47] <MitoTranin> yeah
[07:47] <MitoTranin>  the drive device is /dev/hdd
[07:47] <MitoTranin> the drive mount is /media/cdrom0
[07:49] <Wy|laptop> Hrm. Does mythbuntu add mtd as a service by default?
[07:54] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: the problem though is that it isn't a place that I can type in a location, it is a dropdown menu, so I can't just tell it where my burner is...
[08:04] <foxbuntu> therethinker, are you in/
[08:04] <foxbuntu> laga ping
[02:13] <laga> Wy|laptop: no
[02:14] <laga> MitoTranin: you can type suff into the drop down box AFAIK
[03:00] <laga> almost 2000 downloads (counting both i386 and amd64)
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> Hello everyone
[04:03] <laga> hi Dr_Willis
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> Testing out Mythbuntu on my  machine in the basement now. :) used to be a KnoppMythbox.
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> Got it working good so far.
[04:04] <laga> that's nice to hear
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> Just noticed that the Vista box - sees the Mythtv box as a media server. but cant seem to find any media on it.
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> i got it recording shows.. so not sure exactly how this media server stuff works
[04:05] <laga> that's upnp. no clue how it works, either
[04:05] <laga> check http://svn.mythtv.org ?
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> yea - never had upnp actually do anything either. :)
[04:07] <laga> err
[04:07] <laga> i meant http://wiki.mythtv.org
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> aha - mentions i need to set teh ip# propery of the mythtv box.
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> That might be the issue
[04:22] <Dr_Willis> asus has a MB with linux in the bios/ram.
[04:22] <Dr_Willis> Within five seconds of turning on this $360 USD gaming/enthusiast motherboard, you can be using Linux and surfing the Internet.
[04:22] <laga> just saw it on phoronix.
[04:23] <Dr_Willis> yep :) gotta love live bookmarks
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> $360 - ick.. :) but it is a high end motherboard.
[04:24] <laga> yes
[04:24] <laga> i might have to exchange my nice gigabyte motherboard. i can't select the primary VGA card. and it sucks when BIOS POST comes up on the TV
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> But its a sign of what Might be common in the future
[04:24] <laga> just wrote an angry mail to them, maybe that's gonna help :)
[04:24] <laga> yep
[04:25] <therethinker> Hello everyone
[04:25] <laga> hi therethinker
[04:26] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, where are you trying to put your burner into?
[04:38] <directhex> Dr_Willis, http://img.hexus.net/v2/articles/MythTV/wmp-upnp-05.jpg ?
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> lets see.
[04:43] <laga> directhex: do you know of a better upnp client for windows?
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> directhex|work yea.  i click on the media icon for the muthtv box  - it loads wmp, and thats it. :)
[04:49] <therethinker> Maybe we should have a way to disable the screensaver in MCC?
[04:49] <laga> it should be disabled when you watch a recording.
[04:49] <laga> in beta.
[04:50] <therethinker> Oh
[04:59] <tgm4883> laga, apparently it's still happening for videos
[04:59] <laga> awesome
[04:59] <tgm4883> yea, thats what I said
[04:59] <laga> it was a race condition in alpha4, right?
[04:59] <laga> the GF will kill me if the screen saver comes up ;)
[04:59] <tgm4883> I just know that we need to do something for it now
[05:00] <tgm4883> you can always disable it
[05:00] <laga> yeah
[05:00] <tgm4883> but we want to disable it from install
[05:00] <laga> it's not like it's really needed on a CRT TV
[05:00] <tgm4883> well not with dpms
[05:03] <laga> also, it'd be cool if there were some reference frontend / backend hardware designs
[05:04] <tgm4883> you mean like hardware?
[05:04] <tgm4883> like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=566529  probably ammended a little maybe?
[05:04] <tgm4883> you can use storage groups in trunk right?
[05:04] <laga> yes
[05:05] <tgm4883> yes at the first or second part?
[05:05] <laga> i was more talking aboujt a *completE* box, including case and hints to make it quiet
[05:05] <laga> yes at storagwe groups
[05:05] <yotux> If I have a generic IR blaster how can I configure it to work with mythtv
[05:23] <yotux> has anyone gotten an Ir blater from irblater.info to work?
[05:23] <laga> i haven't
[05:24] <yotux> I am new to this LIRC idea where should I start?
[05:25] <laga> probably by reading the documentation. i have no clue how ir blasters are handled in our current setup
[05:25] <yotux> I am running mythbuntu
[05:26] <yotux> so I will do some googling for docs
[05:27] <laga> you can also talk to superm1 or even better, ask in the forums
[05:27] <laga> i bet someone knows there
[05:41] <superm1> or read the wiki
[05:41] <superm1> its documted in the wiki
[05:41] <laga> wiki wiki wah.
[05:41] <laga> morning superm1
[05:41] <superm1> mroning
[05:44] <yotux> superm1 & laga I am sorry I was thinking remote and not seeing the section further down the wiki
[05:49] <laga> superm1: the mythtv build i queued yesterday just started building on the i386 buildd :)
[05:55] <superm1> yotux, be wary of following that guide in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3491166#post3491166 .  You will need to rebuild kernel modules every kernel update (whereas they are shipped with gutsy/mythbuntu).  Also there is no such thing as neeing to "change" to normal ubuntu.  Mythbuntu is a preconfigured gutsy installation
[05:56] <superm1> anything you can do on ubuntu you can do on mythbuntu
[05:56] <superm1> and vice versa
[06:03] <yotux> superm1 thanks,  I think I have the serial part setup looking fora way to test it now
[06:04] <yotux> I have a dish receiver so digging for some info
[06:05] <superm1> yotux, well if you do sort things out and have updates for the gutsy wiki info, feel free to update it or let one of us know what you had to do.  I don't have a serial receiver/transmitter anymore myself, so it's possible that some of the information up there is not still accurate, but hopefully is
[06:06] <yotux> I have only a blaster,  what have you upgrade to I am looking for a blaster / receiver
[06:07] <superm1> well i have a mceusb2 which has a transmitter and receiver together
[06:07] <superm1> but it doesn't work with all of my devices
[06:07] <superm1> but enough to get me by
[06:07] <yotux> ok
[06:10] <MythbuntuGuest18> hello! trying to find out how this chat works...
[06:10] <Dr_willis> woo hoo.. Mythtv frontend/backend going check!  - second frontend going.. Check! :)  Thank you Mythbuntu
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Now not sure why the #*!@*!@ vista box cant find the upnp stuff
[06:11] <MythbuntuGuest18> I have a problem with my Hauppauge bt878 in Mythbuntu. Anyone?
[06:11] <superm1> what sort of problem?
[06:11] <MythbuntuGuest18> when i select it it doesn't get selected. no cards is "selected"
[06:12] <superm1> check dmesg
[06:12] <superm1> see if there is an error loading the drivers for the card
[06:16] <yotux> superm1:  what type of IR blaster / receiver would you recommend?
[06:17] <superm1> yotux, serial is probably the way to go for a blaster should you get it working.
[06:18] <yotux> all of the guide that I have found in regards to the device I have bought seem to want a fresh compile of LIRC
[06:18] <yotux> This would cause issues if upgrading kernels as you have said I believe
[06:19] <superm1> like i said the kernel modules are all shipped in gutsy
[06:19] <superm1> so you shouldn't need to compile anything
[06:19] <yotux> ok
[06:19] <superm1> it should just be a matter of configuration
[06:19] <superm1> also a very modern version of lirc is shipped
[06:19] <superm1> post 0.8.2
[06:19] <yotux> and configuration refers to remote code to be transmitted correct
[06:20] <superm1> yeah and if you have two devices, making lirc work with both
[06:20] <superm1> eg receiver and transmitter
[06:20] <yotux> I only have 1 right now
[06:20] <yotux> sorry to ask so many questions
[06:20] <superm1> i suspect that all you will need to do then is sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc
[06:20] <superm1> and choose the serial option
[06:21] <yotux> ok I have done that
[06:21] <superm1> place your remote control in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[06:21] <yotux> think that has been done also
[06:21] <superm1> and then try to irsend -d /dev/lircd SEND_ONCE REMOTE BUTTON
[06:21] <yotux> ok
[06:21] <superm1> that lirc device may be wrong
[06:21] <superm1> you'll have to check
[06:21] <superm1> and you may need to turn off your serial port as described below
[06:21] <superm1> but i don't know for sure
[06:23] <yotux> thanks for the baby steps
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Since my Mythtv backend is also a desktop machine some times.. Id like to see a Gnome Panel applet/widget (or other program) that just tells me the status of the MythTV backend. (show if its recording, what its recording, prove that its up, and so forth)
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Sound like a neat suggestion? or is my case rather rare?
[06:24] <superm1> sounds like a good idea
[06:24] <superm1> there is an xml feed to report that stuff
[06:25] <superm1> so it would be a mtter of writing a small applet to parse it
[06:25] <laga> heh, beavis also asked about such a thing
[06:26] <superm1> okay any last additions to m-c-c?
[06:26] <superm1> i'm gonna push it right now
[06:26] <Dr_willis> I was just hinking of a little panel applet.  green for up, a icon for recording.. ect..
[06:26] <superm1> i just tested every option that has changed in my VM
[06:26] <laga> superm1: push it. there's no point in adding even more features, IMHO
[06:26] <superm1> k.
[06:27] <superm1> well this is a pretty lengthy debian/changelog
[06:28] <laga> heh
[06:28] <laga> hope we did a good job i think
[06:29] <laga> wow.
[06:29] <laga> i love how websites like facebook want to tell me that my email address is not valid.
[06:29] <laga><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is valid. gna.
[06:30] <superm1> don't use characters like
[06:30] <superm1> or
[06:30] <laga> i didn't do that :)
[06:31] <Dr_willis> and i thought using an Underscore confised things. :)
[06:31] <Dr_willis> dr__+++willis+++ath0.com
[06:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:34] <superm1> laga, on your test install, see if bulletproofx ends up working if you get a few moments
[06:35] <superm1> i suspect its broken in some form
[06:36] <laga> bulletproofx is even working on my kubuntu box where it's not supposed to be activated. guess that happens because GDM is installed...
[06:37] <laga> superm1: ok, i'll reboot soon. cant use the VM right now
[06:37] <superm1> well i think that the problem is on my machine that i built the disk
[06:37] <superm1> it took the pci id of my machine
[06:37] <superm1> and stored it to debconf
[06:37] <superm1> which obviously isn't the same for everyone
[06:38] <laga> great.
[06:38] <laga> i'll reboot now then
[06:41] <beavis> Dr_willis, I found such a green/red recording icon for gnome some time ago, can't find it anymore
[06:41] <laga> re
[06:42] <laga> superm1: blowing away xorg.conf and rebooting should be sufficient, right?
[06:42] <superm1> laga, well actually
[06:42] <laga> is it OK to do that in virtualbox?
[06:42] <superm1> just modify your driver name
[06:42] <superm1> from say vesa
[06:43] <superm1> to vessssssa
[06:43] <laga> blafoo?
[06:43] <superm1> and reboot
[06:43] <laga> no
[06:43] <superm1> or blafoo
[06:43] <beavis> Dr_willis, I really miss something like this, a red icon when it's recording, yellow if there are pending recordings for this day and green if the backend is up and running
[06:43] <superm1> that works too
[06:43] <laga> i like blafoo better
[06:45] <laga> superm1: http://laga.ath.cx/mythbuntu-notifier.png that's interesting :)
[06:46] <superm1> yeah i've had that occur too
[06:46] <laga> good that it vanishes.
[06:46] <superm1> which really its a good thing it comes up thoug
[06:46] <superm1> it reminds people to update
[06:46] <superm1> but otherwise
[06:46] <laga> crap. i still dont have a quit button. totally forgot about that.
[06:48] <beavis> laga, this notifier really annoys my wife, it can't be clicked away with the remote
[06:48] <laga> beavis: it vanishes after some time
[06:48] <laga> OTOH, that's what you deserve for getting married
[06:48] <beavis> hmm the original one in feisty wasn't vanishing
[06:49] <beavis> laga, :)
[06:49] <laga> it does in gutsy, at least in my VM
[06:52] <laga> superm1: X didn't come up
[06:52] <superm1> laga, if you can run sudo dexconf -o /tmp/xorg.conf
[06:52] <superm1> that will spit out the xorg.conf that it stored in debconf
[06:52] <superm1> which probably won't match your machine
[06:54] <laga> superm1: it's using
[06:54] <laga> Driver "vmware"
[06:54] <superm1> yup
[06:54] <laga> BusID "PCI:0:15:0"
[06:54] <superm1> that's from frink_'s box
[06:54] <superm1> since its a vmware build
[06:54] <laga> :/
[06:54] <superm1> so indeed bulletproofx is broken
[06:55] <laga> any idea hwo to fix it? we could clear the debconf questions, but i dunno if that helps
[06:56] <superm1> well here is the deal.
[06:56] <laga> hum
[06:56] <superm1> on the live disk
[06:56] <laga> dexconf wouldnt like that i'm afraid
[06:56] <superm1> it does a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:56] <superm1> which takes effect locally
[06:56] <superm1> eg on live disk only
[06:56] <superm1> when you reboot, it doesn't reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:57] <superm1> but rather just copies your xorg.conf and figures it's good
[06:57] <laga> thought as much
[06:57] <superm1> i really dont know how the normal gutsy disk can get around this thoug
[06:57] <laga> they dpkg-reconfigure in the chroot?
[06:58] <superm1> nope
[06:58] <superm1> supermario@portablemario:~/Software/source/ubuntu-installer/ubiquity$ grep xserver * -R
[06:58] <superm1> doesn't come up with any calls like that
[06:59] <laga> You can also use debconf in other, standalone programs. The issue to watch out for here is that debconf is  not  intended to  be,  and must not be used as a registry. This is unix after all, and programs are configured by files in /etc, not by some nebulous debconf database (that is only a cache anyway and might get blown away). So  think  long  and  hard  before
[06:59] <laga>  using debonf in a standalone progranm.
[06:59] <laga> not sure if i'd want bulletproofx to depend on something like that anyways
[06:59] <laga> that's an excerpt from man 7 debconf-devel, btw :)
[06:59] <superm1> well bulletproofx is a spec
[06:59] <superm1> not a app
[06:59] <superm1> it spans across a lot of apps
[06:59] <laga> i know
[07:00] <laga> but depending on a valid debconf database is stupid for the reason i posted above.
[07:00] <superm1> ah yes.
[07:00] <laga> especially when you can just use vesa.
[07:00] <superm1> well the problem is that the failsafe driver does use vesa
[07:00] <laga> but you're not the right person to complain about this
[07:00] <superm1> but it doesnt write out the right pci-id
[07:00] <superm1> i complained to bryce about this a week ago
[07:01] <superm1> because i thought it might be broke
[07:01] <superm1> and he said that the pci-ids are needed on some machine
[07:01] <laga> ah
[07:02] <superm1> i'd really like to know how ubuntu disks get around this though
[07:02] <superm1> it makes little to no sense
[07:03] <laga> blow away the pci id?
[07:03] <superm1> in debconf?
[07:03] <laga> probably
[07:03] <superm1> sounds like i need to download a gutsy disk
[07:03] <laga> i'll investigate
[07:03] <superm1> and look in its squashfs
[07:03] <superm1> okay have fun :)
[07:03] <laga> if dexconf works if the pci id is gone in debconf
[07:04] <laga> heh, i wont do all work :P gonna go out for a bit soon
[07:04] <laga> before it gets to dark
[07:04] <superm1> well it still writes out (in my case) more info that it shouldnt
[07:04] <superm1> that it found out
[07:04] <superm1> like in a local build
[07:04] <superm1> "ATI Radeon x850 Platinum"
[07:04] <laga> :/
[07:04] <laga> how are we supposed to fix all this stuff now that the archives are frozen
[07:05] <superm1> workaround in our build script
[07:05] <laga> right
[07:05] <superm1> or workaround in a local ubiquity (which it appears we'll still need anyway)
[07:05] <laga> too bad i couldnt fix the shutdown in mythfrontend :/
[07:05] <superm1> i really hope we can get m-l-g fixed too
[07:05] <superm1> for hauppauge remotes
[07:05] <laga> yes
[07:06] <laga> although i might just use a ready-made lircrc for the GF
[07:08] <laga> awesome
[07:09] <laga> i cant sudo because "timestamp too far in the future"
[07:09] <superm1> haha
[07:09] <laga> reboot...
[07:10] <laga> well
[07:10] <laga> i have to sudo reboot
[07:10] <laga> *resets the vm+
[07:12] <laga> 1737 downloads for the i386 iso
[07:12] <laga> since there's so little feedback i guess we have done a good job :)
[07:13] <superm1> well or people are too lazy to report their issues :)
[07:13] <laga> yeah
[07:13] <laga> they'll probably just whine in their blogs about it
[07:13] <superm1> stuff like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569747
[07:13] <laga> how "this bad baaaaaad pre-release software didn't give me a back rub"
[07:13] <superm1> i dont even feel like answering
[07:14] <laga> yeah.
[07:14] <superm1> okay i'm getting in a bad mood.  i better go work on homework.
[07:14] <superm1> cya later
[07:14] <laga> or like morphenix yesterday
[07:14] <laga> heh :)
[07:14] <laga> bye
[07:16] <therethinker> Haha
[07:17] <therethinker> Wow... this is funny
[07:17] <therethinker> I have a 500MB and 250MB drive in this system.
[07:17] <therethinker> I hope that's a typo
[07:17] <laga> yes
[07:17] <sebrock> I cant find the setting for which tuner to have the highest priority`
[07:17] <sebrock> where is this?
[07:17] <laga> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569394
[07:18] <laga> ^ check this posting.
[07:19] <sebrock> is it even backend or frontend setting?
[07:19] <laga> superm1: good news. echo "reset xserver-xorg/config/device/bus_id" | debconf-communicate <- this brought X back to life after a reboot. i have the displayconfig screen now
[07:19] <laga> superm1: backend
[07:19] <laga> err, sebrock i mean. sorry
[07:20] <sebrock> laga, you know exavlty where? I've been browsing the settings 5 times now lol
[07:20] <laga> no, sorry
[07:20] <laga> priority is also determined by the order they're listed, but i think therE's a separate priority setting
[07:21] <sebrock> mine always starts on tuner 2, why I dont know
[07:24] <laga> superm1: while X is now started, i'll always get the displayconfig screen. blah
[07:24] <superm1> haha
[07:25] <laga> superm1: but we're getting there...
[07:27] <laga> hum
[07:27] <laga> teh suck.
[07:35] <sebrock> my god where is this setting
[07:38] <laga> maybe it's only available in trunk
[07:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. still cant get the vista box to see the darn upnp server
[07:39] <superm1> ugh why couldn't we have known about stuff like the problems in bug 150276 sooner.
[07:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150276 in ivtv "UVFe: [Sync Request]  ivtv 1.0.2-2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150276
[07:40] <laga> Dr_willis: directhex knows more.
[07:41] <sebrock> thing is there is no reason for it to start on tuner 2
[07:42] <laga> superm1: ouch.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> laga,  yea. been followign the various guides ive found checked all the settings..  not sure if its windows being dumb.. or mythtv setting thats wrong. I got a 2nd MythTV front end going at least.
[07:42] <superm1> okay i'm really leaving for a bit now.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. lets test the GeeXbox upnp - see if that sees the MythTV stuff.. thats a good test. :)
[07:43] <laga> superm1: i have now reset the bus id and the driver in debconf and i still only get displayconfig over and over :/
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #150276 in ivtv (multiverse) "UVFe: [Sync Request]  ivtv 1.0.2-2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150276
[07:47] <Dr_willis> aha - Unpn does work with GeeXbox.. so we can blame windows :)
[08:06] <foxbuntu> superm1, ping
[08:08] <tgm4883> sorry, habit
[08:08] <therethinker> Hey everyone
[08:08] <laga> foxbuntu: you wanted something from me
[08:08] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, did you get my earlier message?
[08:09] <foxbuntu> laga, yes
[08:09] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: no, I just got in, let me scroll through my backlog and see if I still have it
[08:09] <tgm4883> it might be too far
[08:09] <therethinker> :D
[08:09] <foxbuntu> laga, I am working on a new feature for mcc...i need a little help figuring out the code structure
[08:09] <tgm4883> all i asked is where you were selecting your burner
[08:09] <therethinker> Ooh, what is it?
[08:10] <laga> foxbuntu: shoot
[08:10] <MitoTranin> tgm4883:  was it about the cd burner?
[08:10] <MitoTranin> ah, yeah (sorry, typed while still scrolled up)
[08:10] <tgm4883> eh, whatever burner you were having trouble with last night
[08:10] <foxbuntu> I have the glade worked out, but now I need to know how do I grab the user's interaction to create my vars in the code and perform the actions
[08:11] <foxbuntu> I have 2 entry boxs I need to grab user input from
[08:11] <MitoTranin> in the frontend setup, under setup, then media, then music, there is an option there that lists your burners, and mine isn't there (which means that if I wanted MythTV to burn me a cd of music, it won't be able to do so...
[08:11] <tgm4883> k, sec
[08:12] <foxbuntu> laga, perhaps seeing what I have done already would help?
[08:12] <MitoTranin> btw: I have a lot of ideas for the mcc that I'm going to put into the launchboard sooner or later
[08:12] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, great...always open to new ideas
[08:13] <MitoTranin> I'd help the best I could if you want, but I'm not much of a programmer (much more a hardware person)
[08:13] <laga> foxbuntu: easy one
[08:13] <foxbuntu> laga, great!
[08:13] <foxbuntu> I knew it was simple, just out of my reach
[08:13] <laga> foxbuntu: you gave names to your input boxes in glade. use foo = self.name_of_the_input_box.get_text()
[08:13] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, it's not listed there under enable cd writing?
[08:13] <laga> to store the text in foo
[08:13] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:14] <tgm4883> what does it list?
[08:14] <foxbuntu> wow
[08:14] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: nope
[08:14] <foxbuntu> laga, awesome, I was on the right track then
[08:14] <MitoTranin> but I don't see why not...
[08:14] <superm1> foxbuntu, i'd really prefer if you can fix m-l-g over m-c-c's new feature
[08:14] <foxbuntu> so, do I add that in the changer.py then with the rest of my "doing" code so to speak?
[08:14] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, what does it list?
[08:14] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: it doesn't list anything... it's empty
[08:14] <superm1> hauppauge remotes are generating horribly
[08:14] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:15] <foxbuntu> superm1, m-l-g?
[08:15] <superm1> mythbuntu-lirc-gerneator
[08:15] <foxbuntu> oh
[08:15] <superm1> mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[08:15] <foxbuntu> what is wrong there?
[08:15] <superm1> look at the bug reports for it
[08:15] <superm1> against its source package
[08:15] <superm1> you'll see
[08:15] <foxbuntu> send me a link
[08:15] <MitoTranin> just for kicks I put a cd in to make sure it was reading it properly etc, and it does (it opened up the CD in the music player)
[08:15] <superm1> i can't
[08:15] <superm1> i'm very busy right now
[08:15] <superm1> search on launchpad yourself
[08:15] <foxbuntu> superm1, I actualy made quite good progress on m-c-c last night
[08:16] <superm1> i'm just saying m-l-g is much higher priority because of the freeze and all.
[08:16] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, is this on a standalone box?
[08:16] <MitoTranin> yes
[08:17] <therethinker> Do you know how much power a Mythfrontend box needs?
[08:17] <MitoTranin> well, for now... I plan on having additional frontends later
[08:17] <therethinker> I'm trying to find it...
[08:17] <MitoTranin> therethinker: enough to decode the video
[08:17] <laga> foxbuntu: no. you never query the UI in changer.py. you query the UI in find_case_for_change or whatever that function is called and then use to_reconfigure["bla"] ="something" to kick off changer.py, so to speak.
[08:17] <hugolp> therethinker:  dependes on the video quality you want to watch
[08:17] <tgm4883> therethinker, actual power or specs?
[08:17] <laga> foxbuntu: look at tchanger.py, it's pretty self-explaining
[08:17] <therethinker> specs
[08:17] <MitoTranin> therethinker: which is very dependant on what type of video card it has (if it has hardware decoding etc) and what type of video your recordings are
[08:17] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, can you use the burner outside of mythtv?
[08:18] <tgm4883> therethinker, i refer you to what MitoTranin is saying
[08:18] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: I've never tried in linux, but it works in windows perfectly fine
[08:18] <tgm4883> I think there is going to be a sticky about that sort of thing though
[08:18] <therethinker> Thanks
[08:18] <foxbuntu> laga, ok, do you have particular section in core.py to correlate in changer.py that I could use as a learning example?
[08:19] <therethinker> foxbuntu: what are you doing?
[08:19] <laga> foxbuntu: the stuff i've been adding lately might be a good starting point. wait a sec.
[08:19] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, right, but we need to figure out if mythbuntu (ubuntu) is picking it up right
[08:20] <tgm4883> superm1, do windows always have to open on top?  For instance, if im installing MCC in the background it really sucks when im typing on here and the lirc generator pops up and takes focus
[08:20] <foxbuntu> therethinker, I am adding an interface to clean up old recordings since the one provided in MythTV...well is poor and rather annoying
[08:20] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: I have no idea... I just booted it up (I had turned it off last night).  let me see what I can find
[08:20] <therethinker> foxbuntu: ah, that sounds good
[08:21] <laga> foxbuntu: bzr diff -r77..78
[08:21] <laga> foxbuntu: check that
[08:21] <therethinker2> Okay, working on Samba/nfs
[08:21] <foxbuntu> laga great
[08:21] <foxbuntu> I will jump to that
[08:23] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: when I put a blank cd into the drive and open the file browser, it correctly sees it as a blank cd-r
[08:23] <tgm4883> ok
[08:23] <tgm4883> it does sound like it's properly detected
[08:23] <tgm4883> is it a sata or ide drive?
[08:23] <MitoTranin> ide
[08:23] <foxbuntu> guys I need to poll you...what would the logical action in MythTV of the power button be? Esc?
[08:23] <tgm4883> primary or seconday channel?
[08:24] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, no
[08:24] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, then what?
[08:24] <tgm4883> I think the power button should either restart X or just restart the frontend.  The stop button makes a good esc
[08:25] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: I would say that the default logical action to the power button would be the same as what is on a lot of projectors etc these days
[08:25] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: a window popup that says "are you sure you wish to power-down?  If so, press OK"
[08:25] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: and then when you hit ok, it cancels all actions and starts a system shutdown
[08:25] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: secondary slave
[08:26] <MitoTranin> HDD is primary master
[08:26] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, foxbuntu, no a window that say do you want to shutdown, reboot, restart x, nothing
[08:26] <MitoTranin> primary slave and secondary master are emtpy
[08:26] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, the way buttons map is by application, and MythTV only has a certian subset of Keys
[08:26] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, whats secondary master?
[08:26] <foxbuntu> so when MythTV is running you have to enter commands from the remote related to Myth
[08:27] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, not exactly
[08:27] <tgm4883> you could have it restart x
[08:27] <tgm4883> afaik
[08:27] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, hmm
[08:27] <tgm4883> I believe that superm1 does that
[08:27] <MitoTranin> tgm4883, foxbuntu, I would think that the remote should power the system, not just mythtv
[08:27] <foxbuntu> I would have to build an X handler then for the configs
[08:27] <tgm4883> if you check his mceusb2 .lircrc file
[08:28] <MitoTranin> so the suggestion that tgm4883 had as a remix of mine sounds good
[08:28] <foxbuntu> superm1, could you post or email your lircrc for compairision?
[08:28] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, it's on the feisty guide
[08:28] <tgm4883> sec
[08:28] <superm1> foxbuntu, i dont have one.  its attached to the bug reports
[08:28] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, ok
[08:28] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok
[08:29] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: did you see my message?  I don't have a secondary master, it's empty
[08:29] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, not saying that it is the problem, but it is A problem
[08:30] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: I can try moving it to 2nd master... the only reason it's slave is because the last machine the drive was in, it was a slave, and I just didn't change it..
[08:30] <therethinker2> I just realized a big problem...
[08:30] <MitoTranin> I'll power it down and try that
[08:30] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, I'd change it
[08:30] <therethinker2> they'res no python-samba for Gutsy yet
[08:30] <therethinker2> s/they'res/there's
[08:30] <therethinker2> I could build from source... but we can't expect everyone to
[08:31] <MitoTranin> therethinker2: why's that a big problem?
[08:31] <therethinker2> Because, I'm supposed to be working on samba/nfs file sharing :P
[08:31] <MitoTranin> ah! :)
[08:31] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[08:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:32] <MitoTranin> well then... one of the suggestions that I plan on putting into the launchpad is right up your alley!
[08:32] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, something like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39905/
[08:32] <therethinker2> Yay :D
[08:32] <MitoTranin> mind if I PM you with the details?
[08:32] <therethinker2> nope
[08:34] <foxbuntu> superm1, what is the .checkmythrunning.sh?
[08:34] <MythbuntuGuest38> which version of mythtv is built into mythbunto 7.10?
[08:34] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, I would guess it checks and restarts the backend
[08:34] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest38, .20.2 as of now
[08:35] <MythbuntuGuest38> nice, thanks
[08:35] <tgm4883> hopefully .21 soon  :)  But I wouldn't hold my breath
[08:36] <MythbuntuGuest38> what kind of crazy features is .21 supposed have?
[08:36] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest38, lots, check it out over there.  But we are waiting for them to release it
[08:36] <superm1> foxbuntu, that's a script i used years ago.  where did you find a reference to it?
[08:37] <tgm4883> afaik, there are weekly builds though
[08:37] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, sent it from some post you did a long time ago
[08:37] <tgm4883> superm1, it's still in the feisty mceusb on the lirc page
[08:37] <tgm4883> but it is commented out
[08:37] <superm1> i see
[08:38] <tgm4883> i used it just as an example that I thought you could launch scripts from the remote
[08:39] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:39] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, I get what you are getting at now, I wasn't thinking about that
[08:40] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, it's on my list of things to setup on my system :)
[08:40] <foxbuntu> I am building the handler for irexec now to add a power down option
[08:40] <tgm4883> although if superm1 still has a copy of that script.....
[08:41] <tgm4883> superm1, isn't mcc supposed to poll the system state (ie ubuntu-desktop being installed?)
[08:41] <superm1> power down option?
[08:41] <superm1> yes it does.
[08:41] <tgm4883> hmm
[08:41] <tgm4883> maybe i dont have ubuntu-desktop?
[08:41] <tgm4883> heh
[08:41] <tgm4883> i don't
[08:41] <tgm4883> wtf
[08:41] <therethinker2> :P
[08:41] <therethinker2> Use MCC and test the DE installer!
[08:42] <laga> foxbuntu: you looking for a script to restart mfe if its running?
[08:42] <MitoTranin> !pastebin
[08:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:42] <foxbuntu> laga, I think that would be a logical function of the power button
[08:43] <foxbuntu> actually, it should ask the user first too
[08:43] <tgm4883> superm1, do you still have you checkisrunning script?
[08:43] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, once we can control mcc from the remote, you could make it launch a shutdown prog
[08:43] <laga> foxbuntu: ask the user? how is the user gonna interact with that popup
[08:44] <foxbuntu> indeed
[08:44] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, you could always write a plugin for that
[08:44] <foxbuntu> I hate to add an oops I bumped that button kind of button however
[08:44] <superm1> foxbuntu, it was a horrible script that issued killall's and such
[08:44] <laga> foxbuntu: so. your TV has a remote control as well :)
[08:44] <superm1> there are a lot of things that needed to be cleaned up with it
[08:45] <foxbuntu> laga, got me there
[08:45] <laga> whats wrong with killalls. heh. i have such a script, too.
[08:45] <superm1> if you send a signal to myth instead
[08:45] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, the real question is why would you want to shutdown mythbuntu :)
[08:45] <superm1> its much nicer
[08:45] <superm1> and then you can have myth issue the shutdown
[08:45] <superm1> but there are other things that need to be accounted for then (eg sudo permissions)
[08:45] <superm1> and permissions to shutdown without a password
[08:45] <superm1> worries about if recordings are running
[08:45] <tgm4883> woohoo, it's starbucks time
[08:45] <superm1> i'd really prefer not to put in a script that isn't very well thought out
[08:46] <laga> killall just sends a signal to mythfrontend?
[08:46] <laga> oh
[08:46] <laga> you mean shutdown the box.
[08:46] <superm1> and there isn't enough time to address all these sorts of things
[08:46] <superm1> that's what my script did
[08:46] <laga> no, there's no time left.
[08:46] <laga> :/
[08:46] <superm1> hence why i said foxbuntu focus on fixing m-l-g
[08:46] <superm1> the hauppauge stuff needs fixing
[08:46] <laga> i was thinking of restartint eh Fe with the power button
[08:46] <superm1> new features are very low priority
[08:46] <foxbuntu> superm1, this is all related to the hap remtoe
[08:46] <foxbuntu> remote*
[08:47] <superm1> well just dont map the power button then for now with it will suffice
[08:47] <superm1> if they want it to shut off their box, they will have to come up with their own script to handle such things
[08:47] <MythbuntuGuest56> when the move to .21 comes around, what are the chances it will be a simple package upgrade as opposed to a fresh install? (never used mythbunto...)
[08:47] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok...I will just yank that mapping then
[08:48] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest56, very likely
[08:48] <MythbuntuGuest56> bye-bye fedora
[08:49] <laga> yay.
[08:49] <laga> god
[08:50] <therethinker2> in python, if I have a string, say "1          2    3", and the space between the stuff could be anything, how can I split them apart to just [1,2,3] ?
[08:50] <laga> the GF wants to watch when in put mythbuntu on her myth box. but i wannja do it _now_
[08:50] <therethinker2> Lucky, a GF who cares about that stuff :P
[08:50] <superm1> therethinker2, well if the stuff between can be any character, then no
[08:50] <superm1> if you know what characters it will be then yes
[08:51] <camelreef> hello everyone !
[08:51] <therethinker2> superm1: yes, it will always be spaces
[08:51] <therethinker2> hello camelreef
[08:51] <camelreef> !bug 136533
[08:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136533 in mythtv "OSD fonts badly rendered when watching 16:9 TV" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136533
[08:51] <camelreef> there is hope !
[08:51] <superm1> therethinker2, then its doable
[08:51] <camelreef> woot !
[08:51] <therethinker2> superm1: yay! what function? I can look it up from there
[08:51] <laga> camelreef: where is hope? did you talk to sphery?
[08:52] <superm1> therethinker2, i've done it before myself, i dont know where off hand
[08:52] <camelreef> changeset ! http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14520
[08:52] <superm1> i can look it up in a little bit if you dont come across it
[08:52] <laga> camelreef: btw, that's interesting:
[08:52] <therethinker2> Okay
[08:52] <therethinker2> Give me 10 minutes
[08:52] <camelreef> laga, changeset ! http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14520
[08:52] <laga> 19:55 < Chutt> sphery, that xinerama fix has absolutely no chance whatsoever to fix any osd font rendering problems.
[08:52] <laga> camelreef: i saw it
[08:53] <camelreef> ah
[08:53] <camelreef> dams, my spirits were up
[08:53] <laga> camelreef: well, chutt might be wrong.
[08:53] <therethinker2> found how to do it in C :P
[08:53] <laga> camelreef: or rather not wrong, but he probably believes you can fix it by setting some config options. i havent bothered to ask him
[08:53] <foxbuntu> superm1, how would I add a '\' to the code since thats an esc char?
[08:54] <superm1> beats me
[08:54] <foxbuntu> k
[08:54] <superm1> i thought in lircrc's you can just type esc?
[08:54] <foxbuntu> google time
[08:54] <camelreef> laga, he put some long stuff in a ML post too
[08:54] <superm1> rather than have to do anythign else
[08:54] <camelreef> lemme get the URL
[08:54] <foxbuntu> superm1, well on the hap lirc...the back button is actually back\esc
[08:54] <laga> superm1: have you already done this week's weekly builds?
[08:55] <superm1> laga, not yet
[08:55] <laga> superm1: that's great. i wanna add a dpatch for camelreef's issue.
[08:55] <laga> superm1: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14520 ?
[08:55] <camelreef> laga, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-October/198203.html
[08:55] <superm1> laga, put it in 0.20-fixes's branch
[08:55] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: you still around?
[08:55] <foxbuntu> superm1, nevermind I figured out what I needed
[08:55] <superm1> i can re push mythtv since it hasn't cleared the archive admins yet
[08:56] <superm1> and then also push it on weekly's
[08:56] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: changed the drive to 2nd master and it's still not showing anything in the cd-writing dropdown
[08:56] <laga> superm1: ok.
[08:56] <laga> camelreef: will get fixed.
[08:56] <camelreef> guys, I got to go take care of the kids
[08:56] <camelreef> laga, many thanks
[08:56] <laga> camelreef: give it a few days
[08:57] <camelreef> no problem
[08:57] <laga> who is mythtbugbot in launchpad?
[08:57] <MitoTranin> !launchpad
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[08:57] <MitoTranin> !topic
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[08:58] <therethinker2> Haha, wow. Solved it
[08:58] <MitoTranin> bah, what's the link to the mythbuntu launchpad?
[08:58] <therethinker2> str.split().
[08:58] <therethinker2> thats it
[09:00] <laga> MitoTranin: http://launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[09:05] <MitoTranin> laga: thanks!
[09:05] <foxbuntu> was 0.13 of m-l-g ever release? its still marked as unreleased
[09:06] <tgm4883> foxbuntu is unreleased
[09:06] <MitoTranin> sorry... what what is m-l-g ?
[09:06] <superm1> foxbuntu, yeah it was.
[09:06] <foxbuntu> mb-lirc-gen
[09:06] <MitoTranin> ah
[09:06] <superm1> probably forgot to upload the very last debian/changelog change
[09:06] <tgm4883> i'm about to release version 1.0 of s-f-n
[09:06] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok, I will mark as 0.14 for this one then right?
[09:06] <superm1> yes
[09:07] <superm1> revision 17 has the fix for it
[09:07] <tgm4883> 1.0 released
[09:08] <MitoTranin> for a feature request, should I make a tag of somesort in the bug summary?
[09:08] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, that would be a blueprint
[09:08] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: the drive is still not detected as a cd burner... any other suggestions?
[09:08] <tgm4883> let me look into a few things
[09:08] <tgm4883> what kind of burner
[09:09] <MitoTranin> I believe it's an NEC
[09:09] <MitoTranin> I didn't even look when I had it out, go figure :0
[09:10] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A
[09:10] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: as reported by /proc/ide/ide1/hdc# cat model
[09:11] <tgm4883> ok
[09:11] <MitoTranin> laga: is there a blueprint for mythbuntu instead of the whole ubuntu?
[09:11] <superm1> foxbuntu, there is another bug somewhere about the hauppauge lircrc
[09:12] <superm1> let me see if i can find that oen
[09:12] <superm1> it must be classified wrong
[09:12] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, what do you mean?
[09:12] <foxbuntu> superm1, oh, I didn't see that then
[09:13] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: I was going to start putting down some feature requests that I've been thinking could be really useful and somewhat easy, and I was going to put it into the launchpad, but that's bugs only... so I asked if I should put a tag on the summary that classifies it as a feature request rather than bug, and laga said that a feature request would be a blueprint... but the only blueprint I can see is for ubuntu, not mythbunt
[09:14] <tgm4883> MitoTranin, http://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[09:14] <tgm4883> have you looked here?
[09:14] <MitoTranin> nope, the link I had was https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[09:14] <MitoTranin> thanks :0
[09:15] <tgm4883> well same thing
[09:15] <MitoTranin> :0 = :)
[09:15] <tgm4883> err
[09:15] <tgm4883> nm your right
[09:15] <superm1> foxbuntu, well i don't know where it was posted.  there have been several mentions on the forums at least
[09:15] <tgm4883> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ is the whole link
[09:15] <superm1> of things not working properly for people
[09:15] <superm1> foxbuntu, so if you can double check to make sure the config generated is very similar to the config on the feisty wiki page
[09:15] <superm1> for hauppauge remotes
[09:15] <superm1> that is probably the best that will suffice
[09:16] <foxbuntu> superm1, ok
[09:16] <superm1> i'll keep hunting for the post that i found regarding it
[09:16] <superm1> someone had a good break down
[09:16] <laga> superm1: added debian/patches/29_xinerama_fix.dpatch
[09:16] <laga> Committed revision 25.
[09:16] <superm1> of what did and didn't work
[09:16] <MitoTranin> superm1: speaking of remotes, that could have been my problem with the 94% bug
[09:16] <superm1> laga, did you test build?
[09:16] <superm1> make sure it applies cleanly and stuff
[09:16] <laga> superm1: it applies cleanly. will test a build now.
[09:16] <MitoTranin> superm1: I fixed it when I did 3 things... I removed my usb tuner, I bumped the ram from 256 to 512, and I did not specify my remote as "other"
[09:16] <foxbuntu> superm1, there is a snapstream remote listed
[09:17] <superm1> oh that's right MitoTranin
[09:17] <superm1> you were using other
[09:17] <superm1> that is very possible to have been the issue
[09:17] <MitoTranin> I later went in to change it to other after the install, and other is no longer an option
[09:17] <superm1> eh laga i forgot to push to bzr my fix for perl bindings
[09:18] <superm1> text conflict :)
[09:18] <laga> superm1: :P
[09:18] <laga> superm1: i need to commit another changeset, too. borked the changelog entry
[09:18] <tgm4883> brb
[09:20] <laga> superm1: the schedules direct patch is borked
[09:20] <superm1> laga, wha?
[09:20] <superm1> why'd that break?
[09:20] <laga> superm1: is this supposed to work against the 0.20.2 tarball?
[09:20] <superm1> yeah it does
[09:20] <laga> sorry then
[09:20] <laga> will get the tarball
[09:21] <superm1> what were you using?
[09:21] <laga> -fixes checkout
[09:21] <superm1> o
[09:22] <laga> ls | grep -v debian | xargs rm -rf *whistle*
[09:23] <laga> debian/rules get-orig-source
[09:23] <laga> get-orig-source ftw.
[09:24] <MitoTranin> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/backup-restore
[09:25] <laga> MitoTranin: keep rockin' ;)
[09:27] <therethinker2> MitoTranin: Once I get this newtwork stuff underway, I'll start on that
[09:28] <therethinker2> Since it sounds mcc-related
[09:28] <superm1> foxbuntu, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3457752&postcount=35
[09:30] <foxbuntu> superm1, that remote isnt in the hwdb
[09:30] <superm1> okay well that makes for things to be even more troublesome since we can't change the lirc source package anymore
[09:30] <superm1> hmum
[09:31] <MitoTranin> brb
[09:31] <laga> dont fix it then :)
[09:31] <laga> should have reported it earlier.
[09:31] <foxbuntu> superm1, also the branch is locked
[09:31] <laga> maybe he can get a updated lirc package from our PPA
[09:31] <foxbuntu> and I can't seem to break it
[09:31] <superm1> try to break it like this
[09:31] <superm1> bzr break-lock<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:32] <superm1> who is it locked by?
[09:32] <superm1> laga, it was reported some time back against hte lirc package it looks now
[09:32] <superm1> oops
[09:32] <superm1> .
[09:32] <laga> god, i _hate_ conflicting .po files.
[09:32] <foxbuntu> superm1, still no
[09:33] <therethinker2> laga: who doesnt?
[09:33] <foxbuntu> still giving me an error about the lock
[09:33] <superm1> laga, my test build seems to work fine
[09:33] <superm1> i didnt let it go all the way
[09:33] <superm1> but it applies cleanly
[09:33] <laga> superm1: building here too.
[09:33] <superm1> and based on the source it has shouldnt break anything
[09:33] <laga> superm1: whoops, did you fix debian/changelog? because i did the same ;)
[09:33] <superm1> haha
[09:33] <superm1> yeah
[09:33] <laga> can you fix it again? :)
[09:34] <laga> after bzr up
[09:34] <superm1> okay i need to get going for a bit again.  i'm going to push this now then (hopefully i can repush the same version number, otherwise this is a bit messy)
[09:34] <superm1> you broke it again?
[09:34] <laga> no, but i changed it i think
[09:34] <laga> not sure about the correct intendation
[09:35] <superm1> you did break it again.
[09:35] <superm1> haha
[09:35] <superm1> okay i'll push it back up with the fix
[09:35] <foxbuntu> superm1, I commited that fix for m-l-g
[09:35] <laga> thanks
[09:35] <laga> foxbuntu: woohoo.
[09:35] <superm1> foxbuntu, okay great
[09:35] <superm1> anything else in it that needs fixing
[09:35] <superm1> or just that
[09:35] <foxbuntu> superm1, thats all I could see
[09:35] <superm1> foxbuntu, or better yet that is getting fixing
[09:35] <foxbuntu> I updated the bug report as well
[09:36] <superm1> ok
[09:36] <superm1> i'll push this to the archive then
[09:36] <foxbuntu> superm1, great
[09:37] <foxbuntu> superm1, I think at some point the dictionary needs moved out of the core but thats pretty minor
[09:38] <foxbuntu> superm1, laga gotta run for a bit, but will back online in like 2 hours or so
[09:38] <foxbuntu> later
[09:38] <superm1> ok
[09:38] <superm1> cya
[09:38] <laga> looks like my tv_grab_eu_epgdata grabber will be committed soon
[09:38] <laga> to xmltv. yay.
[09:38] <laga> ok, gonna go for a walk
[09:41] <therethinker2> If I get half of this network thing done, could someone work on the other half? I have no idea how I'm going to test the connection
[09:41] <therethinker2> like, 0, less than anything else :P
[09:46] <therethinker2> For ComboBoxes, how do I get the data?
[09:46] <therethinker2> Is it like self.combobox.item?
[09:47] <therethinker2> or just self.combobox
[10:01] <therethinker2> superm1: ping
[10:03] <laga> therethinker2: are you working on the backup-restore blue print?
[10:03] <therethinker2> I'm about to, yeah
[10:03] <therethinker2> I'm trying to start network mounting
[10:03] <laga> therethinker2: note that the python configparser stuff has the ability to write a config file
[10:03] <therethinker2> Okay
[10:03] <laga> for the mcc settings
[10:03] <laga> its just not activate
[10:03] <therethinker2> what?
[10:03] <therethinker2> "its just not activate"?
[10:04] <laga> originally it was intended to ~move settings from one host to another, but you dont always want to replicate the same set of settings on another box. that's why it's deactivated.
[10:04] <laga> therethinker2: "its just not activated"
[10:04] <therethinker2> Ooh
[10:04] <therethinker2> So its there... we just have to turn it on?
[10:05] <MitoTranin> what language are you guys programing most/all of this stuff in?
[10:05] <therethinker2> MCC is python
[10:05] <therethinker2> (thats all I've touched)
[10:05] <MitoTranin> that's similar to Delphi isn't it?
[10:05] <therethinker2> No clue\
[10:05] <MitoTranin> I've had a big of experience with Delphi, but not python...
[10:07] <therethinker2> Wait, the macromolecular electrostatics modeling software package!?
[10:07] <therethinker2> Lets see
[10:08] <therethinker2> No, I dont think they are
[10:11] <therethinker2> Python really isn't "like" much :P
[10:11] <therethinker2> Although Ruby is the closest
[10:12] <therethinker2> laga: how was the walk?
[10:12] <laga> cold.
[10:12] <laga> hum
[10:12] <therethinker2> :P
[10:12] <laga> this pepper strawberry chocolate tastes interesting
[10:12] <therethinker2> Its not cold here...
[10:12] <therethinker2> I'm not going to ask
[10:15] <laga> what. you can buy that stuff
[10:17] <therethinker> Strawberry pepper?
[10:17] <therethinker> That's an odd combo...
[10:39] <therethinker> I'm going to take a break
[10:39] <therethinker> be back later
[10:41] <laga> bye
[11:03] <foxbuntu> superm1, any other things you find to fix in lirc while I was out?
[11:06] <laga> bah, paint thinner smells badly
[11:06] <laga> but it's great for removing heat-condutive paste
[11:07] <MitoTranin> laga: alcohol swabs are better
[11:08] <MitoTranin> better, cheaper, and not as fumey (if that's a word)
[11:08] <MitoTranin> that, and you already have the cloth to wipe it with :)
[11:08] <laga> didnt have them here :)
[11:09] <foxbuntu> laga, hey which revs did you say to look at before for my example?
[11:09] <MitoTranin> oh, but you happen to have paint thinner....
[11:09] <MitoTranin> lol
[11:09] <laga> MitoTranin: yes, in my living room. ;)
[11:09] <laga> 20:06 < laga> foxbuntu: bzr diff -r77..78
[11:09] <foxbuntu> laga, thanks
[11:09] <MitoTranin> ok all, bbiab
[11:10] <laga> MitoTranin: bah. :)
[11:13] <foxbuntu> laga, so to_recofigure is a class in changer right?
[11:13] <foxbuntu> ^^ though its spelled wrong
[11:15] <foxbuntu> laga, oh I see, to_reconfigure just calls the applicator class from changer and runs the specified "item"
[11:16] <laga> i dont even know what a class is
[11:18] <foxbuntu> laga, oh
[11:19] <laga> :)
[11:19] <laga> i just hacked on it till it worked.
[11:19] <laga> and my master backend is drawing an ungodly amount of power
[11:19] <laga> 75-100W
[11:19] <laga> doing nothing
[11:19] <foxbuntu> laga, well its ok, I really don't know much about coding either
[11:19] <laga> heh
[11:19] <foxbuntu> laga, perhaps time for a new PSU
[11:21] <laga> well, PFC is a bit low, around 0.75, but it's probably that athlon XP in there which needs some serious underclocking.
[11:22] <foxbuntu> laga, ah
[11:23] <foxbuntu> laga, I think I am nearing a test for my code, but I have an issue...I am out at my parents place now...and no Mythbuntu box to be found
[11:23] <foxbuntu> :(
[11:29] <laga> foxbuntu: dont give me that look, i'm busy assembling the gf's box
[11:29] <laga> i wonder how long that paint thinner needs to dry
[11:29] <laga> for fucks sake.
[11:29] <therethinker> Paint thinner?
[11:29] <therethinker> Why...?
[11:29] <laga> therethinker: thermal paste
[11:30] <therethinker> Ooh
[11:30] <laga> i had to insert a VGA card to underclock the CPU. looks like when i remoe the VGA card, the cpu clock settings are reset
[11:30] <therethinker> That's bizzare
[11:31] <laga> maybe it's some kind of failure detection :/
[11:32] <foxbuntu> laga, CPU underclock is only stored in the BIOS unitl a change is made
[11:33] <foxbuntu> so when you pull the card the BIOS settings change and thus goodbye under clock
[11:34] <foxbuntu> laga, one thing you could do to limit the speed is select a slow bus speed for the proc in the BIOS if its an option
[11:36] <therethinker> What's the codec for quicktime MOV's?
[11:40] <foxbuntu> therethinker, I am not sure
[11:41] <foxbuntu> do you have totem installed?
[11:41] <therethinker> just got that
[11:41] <therethinker> Sorry :P
[11:41] <foxbuntu> fine
[11:41] <foxbuntu> !!
[11:41] <foxbuntu> :P
[11:41] <therethinker> :P
[11:43] <therethinker> lalalalaaaa
[11:44] <foxbuntu> sorry, My iPod is full already...no more music allowed
[11:44] <laga> foxbuntu: bah. :/
[11:45] <laga> athlon xp running at 500 MHz and 1.1V is gooood.
[11:45] <foxbuntu> laga, bah what?
[11:45] <foxbuntu> hmm
[11:45] <foxbuntu> thats way underclocked...why so far?
[11:45] <laga> because i wanna save power :) transcoding/commflagging is *supposed* to take place on my core 2 duo, but thaT's not working for some reason
[11:49] <therethinker> Hmm... is it a good time to be helped?
[11:50] <laga> ?
[11:51] <therethinker> I need help setting up my backend
[11:51] <therethinker> I can only get 1 channel
[11:51] <therethinker> and its in black and white...
[11:51] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: do you need a test box?
[11:51] <foxbuntu> therethinker, you only need one channe;
[11:51] <therethinker> Hmm?
[11:51] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, I will after a bit
[11:52] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: odd question... will it require sound?  :)
[11:52] <foxbuntu> nope
[11:52] <foxbuntu> just a DB with recordings in it
[11:52] <therethinker> foxbuntu: care to elaborate?
[11:52] <MitoTranin> ah, well, I don't have that even... lol
[11:52] <therethinker> on needing only 1 channel
[11:52] <beavis> laga:    Change automatic login from [Disabled]  to [Deaktiviert] . <-- ??
[11:52] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: I only have 2 tuners, one with a bad sound input, and 1 that I'm still trying to get to work.
[11:53] <therethinker> I only get one channel, that's bad...
[11:55] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu:  and my only recordings were in a database on my only system which happened to have a bad PSU kill the hard drive...  (thus my suggestion of the easy backup/restore as a blueprint)
[11:55] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, i see
[11:55] <laga> beavis: it'll be fixed in the next upload.
[11:56] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: so... I now have a fresh install with no recordings and no good way to make a recording until I get this tuner working in mythbuntu :)
[11:56] <beavis> laga, great, there's also a typo in the german translation, a missing blank
[11:56] <laga> beavis: file a bug? :)
[11:57] <beavis> oops it's gone :-P
[11:57] <therethinker> Hmm.. and when it scans for channels, it gets 2-13
[11:57] <therethinker> but they're all the same thing
[11:58] <beavis> laga, I mean Passwortsollte inside the Hint for VNC
[11:59] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, your no help then
[11:59] <foxbuntu> :P
[11:59] <foxbuntu> its alright, i will prob demo on my own box when I get home tonight
[11:59] <therethinker> What's the difference between us-cable {,-hrc,-irc}
[12:00] <laga> therethinker: are you using cable?
[12:00] <therethinker> yep
[12:00] <laga> AFAIK, you dont have to scan if you're in north america. just use schedulesdirect?
[12:01] <therethinker> I don't use a channel listing
[12:01] <therethinker> Oh wait
[12:01] <foxbuntu> laga, do you know how to execute a shell command from python?
[12:01] <therethinker> You know how you can set a "starting channel"
[12:01] <therethinker> well, whatever I put there, is the 1 channel I get
[12:02] <therethinker> So... it 1/2 works :p
[12:02] <therethinker> But its still b/w... not good\
[12:04] <laga> foxbuntu: popen?
[12:05] <laga> therethinker: why dont you use a channel listing?
[12:05] <therethinker> $$$ :P
[12:06] <laga> o_O
[12:06] <laga> mythtv is next to useless without EPG listings
[12:06] <laga> but that'sn your call i suppose
[12:06] <therethinker> Well. A) I get TV
[12:06] <therethinker> B) I can record manually
[12:10] <therethinker> Okay... well.. even if I don't -- why can't I change the channel, and why is it black/white?
[12:15] <foxbuntu> therethinker, do you have the channel binary / irblaster setup?
[12:16] <foxbuntu> or are you using the actual tuner?
[12:16] <foxbuntu> and do you have the channel command to match any of these setup?
[12:18] <therethinker> I have just a tuner
[12:18] <therethinker> Ohh... I need the channel command
[12:18] <therethinker> *smacks self*
[12:19] <therethinker> Do you happen to know it?
[12:22] <MitoTranin> therethinker: why not look at the lirc config and see what command is issued when the "channel up" button is pressed
[12:23] <therethinker> What directory is that in :P
[12:23] <therethinker> *feels so silly :P*
[12:23] <foxbuntu> superm1, you back yet?
[12:24] <therethinker> found it
[12:24] <MitoTranin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_External_Channel_Changer
[12:25] <MitoTranin> ah, ok
[12:25] <therethinker> THANK YOU :-)
[12:25] <therethinker> Wait
[12:25] <therethinker> I don't need an external channel changer
[12:25] <therethinker> Its cable line > Tuner
[12:26] <MitoTranin> well.. the channel change commands should at least be similar...
[12:26] <MitoTranin> it was the first thing I found...
[12:26] <therethinker> I don't even have lirc installed... I'm not using the remote...
[12:27] <MitoTranin> uh... then it's the up arrow :)
[12:27] <MitoTranin> and down arrow
[12:27] <therethinker> Yeah, but I don't have an /etc/lirc director
[12:27] <therethinker> *directory
[12:27] <therethinker> or a /home/mythtv/.lircrc file
[12:27] <MitoTranin> I don't get it... why do you need one, if you are looking to just change the channel manually?
[12:27] <MitoTranin> just hit the up arrow on the keyboard... it will change the channel
[12:28] <therethinker> Exactly, that's the problem
[12:28] <therethinker> I do, and it doesn't
[12:28] <therethinker> it SAYS it changed channel, but it didn't
[12:28] <laga> therethinker: i'd recommend you get at leas tht efree 7 day trial to get your channels set up
[12:28] <laga> the schedules direct trial, that is.
[12:29] <MitoTranin> and install lirc... even though you aren't going to use a remote, it doesn't hurt the system
[12:29] <foxbuntu> therethinker, did you setup the channel change command in mythtv-setup?
[12:29] <MitoTranin> if you're simply trying to keep it bare due to it being an underpowered system (not sure if that's the case) check out this link:  http://hawley.homeip.net/recycled-machine-mythtv.html
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #150367 in mythbuntu "Multiple network icons on reboot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150367
[12:31] <MitoTranin> the intro tells you how old it really is... but it also tells you how much of a system is really required to run MythTV....
[12:31] <MitoTranin> "Updated (12/8/2005):  The last weekend I decommissioned the old Celeron  in favor of a 550-MHz P3 I got as a hand-me-down from a co-worker.  Thank you, Chad.  The experience has made me come to realize that some of the stuff in this guide is desperately out of date.  I'm going to try to make some updates over the next couple weeks to bring this document up to speed."
[12:31] <therethinker> foxbuntu: That's what I'm trying to figure out
[12:32] <therethinker> what is it suppos to be
[12:32] <therethinker> MitoTranin: Its underpowered, but that's not why I'm trying to keep it bare
[12:33] <therethinker> MitoTrainin: Wow :P
[12:33] <foxbuntu> therethinker, it depends on the type of setup you have
[12:33] <foxbuntu> are you using IRBlasters?
[12:33] <foxbuntu> Serial Cable?
[12:33] <therethinker> foxbuntu: its Cable line directly to the tuner card
[12:33] <therethinker> no blaster
[12:33] <foxbuntu> or direct tuner
[12:33] <therethinker> nothing in between
[12:34] <foxbuntu> so you have the cable on the coax connection?
[12:34] <foxbuntu> ok
[12:34] <therethinker> exactly
[12:34] <foxbuntu> thats one I am not sure how to setup, however, when superm1 gets back he can prob tell you, I think he has at least one tuner setup that way
[12:35] <therethinker> Okay, thanks :-)
[12:35] <therethinker> Once this works, I'll do the trial
[12:35] <therethinker> ^laga
[12:35] <therethinker> Any ideas why its black & white?
[12:36] <therethinker> Is there a b/w filter I mgiht have turned on accidentally?
[12:37] <laga> wrong tv standarD?
[12:38] <laga> does it work outside mythtv?
[12:40] <therethinker> Forget -- checking the outside mythtv
[12:43] <therethinker> Yep, its B/w
[12:44] <therethinker> And I've tried all the us-cable*
[12:47] <MitoTranin> hey all... any idea why I can't connect to my backend from anything external?
[12:47] <MitoTranin> mythweb tells me it's not running even
[12:47] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, you need to enable the security access for Mysql
[12:47] <MitoTranin> the remote frontends say that it can't connect
[12:48] <MitoTranin> but the local frontend works fine
[12:48] <foxbuntu> by default its bound to localhost
[12:48] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: where is that option at?
[12:48] <foxbuntu> /etc/mysql/my.cnf i think
[12:48] <MitoTranin> (this should be a very obvious option in the MCC I would think...)
[12:48] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, i think it is
[12:48] <foxbuntu> let me look for you
[12:48] <MitoTranin> I looked everywhere and couldn't find it
[12:49] <troy_s> foxbuntu / superm1 :  mail.
[12:49] <troy_s> erm rather
[12:49] <troy_s> foxbuntu / superm1 :  "You have mail."
[12:49] <foxbuntu> troy_s, awesome;
[12:49] <foxbuntu> give me a min
[12:50] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, MCC > System Services >MySQL Service > Enable
[12:50] <MitoTranin> it is enabled
[12:50] <foxbuntu> try disable it and reenable it
[12:50] <MitoTranin> I started to... but it wants to uninstall the mysql server when I do that....
[12:50] <foxbuntu> and are you connecting via a host name or ip?
[12:50] <MitoTranin> and uninstalling that will kill my database, won't it?
[12:50] <foxbuntu> what?
[12:51] <foxbuntu> it shouldn't...arg
[12:51] <foxbuntu> ok well...let me just get you the change in the mysql server
[12:51] <laga> no, it shouldn't.
[12:51] <MitoTranin> let me check again, but I'm pretty sure that's what it wanted to uninstall
[12:52] <tgm4883> frink_, any status update on the rsync setup
[12:53] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, sudo nano /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[12:53] <MitoTranin> disabling that option gives:
[12:53] <foxbuntu> there is a line bind-address
[12:53] <MitoTranin> "Remove mysql-server service"
[12:53] <MitoTranin> oh, well there's a bug too...
[12:53] <foxbuntu> change it to the actual ip of your backend from <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:53] <MitoTranin> I disabled the service, hit cancel, and the screen still showed it as disabled
[12:54] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, did you catch all that?
[12:55] <MitoTranin> yep, changed it just now, and am shutting down the backend, restarting the mysql, and then starting the backend
[12:55] <foxbuntu> ok
[12:55] <MitoTranin> I knew I could change that.. I was looking for how to do it via the gui (since, well, that should easily be there... :) )
[12:55] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, it should do it via that service option....but Idk why it wouldnt for you
[12:56] <MitoTranin> foxbuntu: well, as I said, to disable it means it wants to uninstall it...
[12:56] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, file a bug
[12:57] <MitoTranin> since uninstalling it isn't possible if you're running the primary backend, that shouldn't even be an option...
[12:57] <MitoTranin> one thing that might have done it: I am pretty sure I set that option before I set my static IP
[12:57] <MitoTranin> that's another thing... the installer should ask if you want a static IP
[12:58] <MitoTranin> because if you're doing the primary backend, you want it to be static... if you're doing a secondary backend or frontend, that's not a big deal though...
[12:58] <foxbuntu> MitoTranin, indeed
[12:58] <MitoTranin> odd, still not able to connect my mythweb
[12:58] <foxbuntu> file a bug so we can track it
[12:59] <MitoTranin> heh, I gotta go cook dinner..
[12:59] <MitoTranin> I'll send myself a pm to do so later :)
[01:00] <foxbuntu> troy_s, what about putting 2.png behind the crest?
[01:00] <MitoTranin> bbiab
[01:01] <troy_s> foxbuntu: It would work easily.
[01:01] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The gut says it would pull into monotony...
[01:01] <troy_s> foxbuntu: On a more serious note, the crest will likely feature alone...
[01:02] <foxbuntu> troy_s, yea
[01:03] <foxbuntu> troy_s, can you send me the full blown files for those so I can set them as wallpaper to compare them?
[01:04] <foxbuntu> troy_s, as our wallpaper goes now the logo is part of it as we run a bare Xfce seup
[01:05] <foxbuntu> setup*
[01:05] <laga> gah, i need some thermal paste and it's 1am :/
[01:05] <foxbuntu> laga, too bad you don't have a 24-hr shop like I do
[01:05] <laga> i'd just need to know where i put that crap
[01:06] <laga> some is at the GF's. hum
[01:07] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I can whatever you need.  I wouldn't suggest any sort of testing until you get some things palettized though - it will clash heavy.
[01:07] <troy_s> :)
[01:08] <foxbuntu> troy_s, indeed...I am not gonna do anything other than on my own personal machine
[01:08] <troy_s> lol
[01:08] <troy_s> ok
[01:10] <foxbuntu> troy_s, so what I would like to have is a crest image only and one with each of those wallpapers ehind the crest
[01:10] <foxbuntu> so I can do some playing and see what I like the best
[01:10] <foxbuntu> and perhaps just the wallpapers as well
[01:13] <foxbuntu> troy_s, PM with anything, I gtg for now...be back later