[02:34] <ScottL> hi troy_s
[02:34] <troy_s> Greets ScottL
[03:17] <ScottL> someone posted a good, simple way to install network manager from an Ubuntu Studio disc   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479788
[06:18] <jussi> astraljava: we had Dan, Luke and myself
[13:37] <ckontros> Because of that damn Intel bug, I gotta run Debian-testing on the lappy. :(
[13:38] <astraljava> Not too bad a choice, IMHO. :)
[13:38] <ckontros> Yeah. Still a pain. I do like the ubuntu polish. ;)
[13:38] <ckontros> jussi: Around?
[13:41] <ckontros> jussi: Hit me up in PM when you can.
[14:53] <TheMuso> ScottL: Basically we hope to have pulseaudio step asside for jack2 when jack2 wants to use a sound card, hopefully for Maverick. I don't know what else there is to say really. :)
[14:54] <TheMuso> Oh yeah, I am awake as I am not really tired from my flight, as I slept on the last leg when I probably shoudln't have.
[14:56] <astraljava> TheMuso: Does that mean you'll be able to attend to the meeting?
[14:57] <TheMuso> astraljava: no
[14:57] <TheMuso> I hope I can lie down and go to sleep in a little while.
[14:57] <astraljava> TheMuso: Gotcha.
[14:57] <TheMuso> astraljava: And if you didn't know, I have resigned from the project.
[14:57] <TheMuso> So even if I was around, I wouldn't be attending the meeting.
[14:57] <astraljava> TheMuso: Yeah, now I recall.
[14:59] <ScottL> TheMuso, thanks!
[14:59] <TheMuso> ScottL: np
[15:00] <ScottL> TheMuso, astraljava mentioned several ubuntu studio members going to a UDS, has that happened in the past?
[15:02] <TheMuso> ScottL: Yes it has.
[15:02] <ScottL> TheMuso, was it quite beneficial?
[15:11] <TheMuso> ScottL: To an extent.
[17:03] <irv_> what time is the meeting
[17:52] <ScottL> irv_, in about two hours
[17:52] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010May16
[17:56] <rlameiro> ScottL: 2 hours from now?
[17:58] <ScottL> rlameiro, i believe so
[17:58] <rlameiro> ok, because i am always confused with the daytime savings in here
[17:58] <ScottL> i believe it is 17:00 UTC right now (approximately)
[17:59] <rlameiro> in theory i am on UTC, but now we are at summer time
[17:59] <rlameiro> yea, i think so
[18:00] <rlameiro> ScottL: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/580744
[18:00] <rlameiro> and they start to appear
[18:00] <rlameiro> i marked it as a duplicate
[18:01] <ScottL> yeah, i saw that, good job
[18:02] <ScottL> i was going to link this rudimentary howto to the bug later   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479788
[18:03] <rlameiro> well, rudimentary it is :D
[18:04] <rlameiro> the only problem is that i am swamped until, at least, 16 June
[18:04] <ScottL> well, i remember that some people have had trouble accessing the ISO as a repo and thought this should work for everyone :)
[18:04] <rlameiro> If i had time i would do a proper how to, or even make a script that people could copy to a text file and run it and it would do that for them...
[18:05] <rlameiro> ScottL: yeah, that is one of the problems...
[18:05] <rlameiro> to do that i would need to install a new ubuntu from scratch and documment the process
[18:12] <rlameiro> well, going out and do some stuff out the house, i will be here on time :D
[18:12] <rlameiro> looking forward for the meeting
[19:34] <andyzweb> meeting here in a half an hour?
[19:35] <astraljava> andyzweb: yep
[19:51] <rlameiro> well, 10 minutes to go :D
[20:00] <scott-upstairs> hello all, are we ready for the meeting? :)
[20:00] <scott-upstairs> the agenda is here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010May16
[20:01] <scott-upstairs> i'll give a minute or two to make sure people are here
[20:01] <rlameiro> quadrispro left ... :(
[20:02] <astraljava> o/
[20:02] <crimsun> (present)
[20:02] <rlameiro> present
[20:02] <scott-upstairs> who else is here for the meeting?
[20:03] <rlameiro> stochastic: ping
[20:03] <rlameiro> crimsun: congrats for the interview :D
[20:04] <scott-upstairs> looks like rlameiro , astraljava and crimsun      fewer than I had hoped but more than it could have been :)
[20:04] <scott-upstairs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010May16   is the agenda
[20:04] <scott-upstairs> anyone have anything to amend to it?
[20:05] <rlameiro> i dont have
[20:05] <astraljava> Nothing from me.
[20:05] <scott-upstairs> okay, first thing is LV2:  quadripro told me two days ago that they are making good progress, lv2rack and zynjacu are already in debian new
[20:06] <scott-upstairs> he also mentioned that he has another person who is quite gifted with packaging that is assisting him
[20:06] <rlameiro> thas great
[20:06] <rlameiro> if it is on debian is only a matter of syncing it isnt it?
[20:07] <scott-upstairs> if the package is in debian and not in ubuntu we will autosync it at the beginning of every release cycle
[20:07] <astraljava> rlameiro: Yes, until Debian import freeze.
[20:07] <scott-upstairs> okay, moving on then
[20:07] <scott-upstairs> JACK2 and Pulse Audio:
[20:08] <scott-upstairs> early The.Muso said that they are hopeful that this will be completed by the end of Maverick
[20:08] <scott-upstairs> granted he didn't go into too many specifics, just that they were working on it
[20:08] <scott-upstairs> crimsun, do you have anything you would like to add?
[20:09] <scott-upstairs> if we can get this complete it would alleviate one of our users biggest complaints :)
[20:09] <crimsun> Luke and I spoke briefly at UDS-M about it; in Debian multimedia it currently takes over the existing JACK (v1) packaging, but that isn't a big deal infrastructure-wise.
[20:10] <crimsun> More interesting are a couple points, the first of which is probably more important:
[20:11] <crimsun> 1) With the introduction in Lucid of Pulse's reliance on udev (well, ConsoleKit and udev acl) for @audio permissions, it is vital that users are *not* added to @audio if PulseAudio is used.
[20:12] <crimsun> 2) Connor Curran may have resources this cycle to investigate one-click enablement of JACK from indicator-sound.
[20:13] <scott-upstairs> wow, #2 is sounds incredible!
[20:13] <scott-upstairs> but on #1, how will -rt work if the user is not part of the audio group, crimsun?
[20:14] <crimsun> scott-upstairs: the active seat, in ConsoleKit terms, already is granted access to /dev/snd/*
[20:14] <crimsun> example:
[20:14] <crimsun> getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names
[20:14] <crimsun> # file: dev/snd/controlC0
[20:14] <crimsun> # owner: root
[20:14] <crimsun> # group: audio
[20:14] <crimsun> user::rw-
[20:14] <crimsun> user:crimsun:rw-
[20:14] <crimsun> group::rw-
[20:14] <crimsun> mask::rw-
[20:15] <crimsun> other::---
[20:15] <crimsun> getent group audio
[20:15] <crimsun> audio:x:29:pulse
[20:15] <crimsun> i.e., if you're at the keyboard, you'e the active seat, so you have access to @audio
[20:16] <crimsun> (note how my user is not in the audio group)
[20:16] <scott-upstairs> oh, so it's by association   (associative property x=y and y=z therefore x=z, sort of)   clever, clever
[20:17] <rlameiro> crimsun:how will it work  with plug in devices, like firewire and usb?
[20:17] <scott-upstairs> but i noticed when checking users on my lucid install that i am in the audio group
[20:18] <crimsun> scott-upstairs: yeah, you want to remove those users from @audio if you plan to have on-the-fly user-switching in GNOME
[20:19] <crimsun> notably:
[20:19] <crimsun> gnome-system-tools (2.29.91-0ubuntu2) lucid; urgency=low
[20:19] <crimsun>   * debian/patches/26_user_profiles_conf.patch:
[20:19] <crimsun>     - Don't add users to the audio group. This is consistent with
[20:19] <crimsun>       user-setup and fixes an issue with sound device permissions when
[20:19] <crimsun>       switching between users. Thanks to Igor Wojnicki for spotting
[20:19] <crimsun>       this (LP: #433654)
[20:19] <crimsun> (sorry for spamming :-) )
[20:19] <scott-upstairs> lol
[20:20] <crimsun> rlameiro: it's transparent, presuming the correct permissions are assigned in the udev rule
[20:20] <crimsun> rlameiro: i.e., they should contain to have the devices readable & writeable to @audio
[20:20] <crimsun> arg, s/contain/continue/
[20:20] <crimsun> rlameiro: i.e., no impact
[20:21] <scott-upstairs> anything else anyone wants to add?
[20:21] <andyzweb> in general or on that topic?
[20:21] <scott-upstairs> okay, moving on to the network manager bug   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/570828
[20:22] <scott-upstairs> andyzweb, whichever, go ahead
[20:22] <andyzweb> nvm, continue
[20:23] <scott-upstairs> okay, but please mention though
[20:23] <scott-upstairs> s/mention/mention it
[20:23] <scott-upstairs> the network bug is the other big complaint from users
[20:23] <scott-upstairs> thanks to rlameiro for filing the bug
[20:23] <rlameiro> np
[20:24] <scott-upstairs> it has been assigned to lucid-update, does anyone know how soon we might see some progress on this?
[20:24] <rlameiro> we need someone to know if a iso respinn can be done for this, since this is a LTS version and a lot of people rely on LTS
[20:25] <astraljava> Won't the discs be respun for 10.04.01?
[20:25] <rlameiro> scott-upstairs: its not assigned to anyone, the milestone is lucid updates
[20:25] <crimsun> is Ubuntu Studio 10.04 actually LTS?
[20:25] <rlameiro> well, i dont know, maybe we dont have lts...
[20:25] <astraljava> What do the release notes say?
[20:25] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, i would assume the ISO would be respun for 10.04.01
[20:26] <crimsun> I think at this point it may be a lost cause; we definitely want it to get into lucid-proposed, however
[20:26] <scott-upstairs> crimsun, persia was pointing out that we don't *have* to support an LTS version
[20:26] <crimsun> right, since US is a community project, but that in effect means we have to :-)
[20:27] <astraljava> Well there's no mention in the release notes, so I suppose it is not an LTS. :)
[20:27] <rlameiro> well, there is something that was bothering me about this
[20:27] <scott-upstairs> rlameiro, which part bothers you?
[20:28] <rlameiro> did someone got notified on that change on the package? is there some system that warn flavours on changes made on the vanilla version?
[20:28] <rlameiro> since we depend on that package and ubuntu deprecated it in favour of nm-applet...
[20:29] <scott-upstairs> that's were having core developers on the studio team really helps :/
[20:30] <rlameiro> well, how i see it, to correct it, we will force all the other versions onto a regression
[20:31] <rlameiro> so, we have 2 options, either test and try network manager
[20:31] <scott-upstairs> well, whether we consider lucid an LTS i imagine the discs will be respun for 10.04.01 and therefore we need to get it into lucid-proposed as crimsun mentioned
[20:31] <rlameiro> or make a regression
[20:33] <scott-upstairs> well, perhaps we should defer this until persia can offer some insights as well and perhaps some other disucssions with luke as well
[20:33] <rlameiro> k then
[20:34] <scott-upstairs> but testing network manager would also be a good thing to accomplish, we just need people
[20:34] <scott-upstairs> rlameiro, would you be able to do it?
[20:34] <rlameiro> i use network manager
[20:34] <rlameiro> i just dont know how to test it
[20:34] <scott-upstairs> okay, we can work on that part later :)   we just need to get more people to help us test then
[20:35] <astraljava> Make it public on ubuntu-studio-users@?
[20:35] <scott-upstairs> certainly, and post in ubuntu forums / ubuntu studio
[20:35] <scott-upstairs> it was suggested to work with upstream as well if we test and find it lacking
[20:36] <scott-upstairs> moving on, ubuntustudio-controls update and redesign
[20:36] <scott-upstairs> since jack is now handling rtpri and memlock in /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf  we need to update -controls to stop putting it into /etc/security/limits.conf
[20:37] <scott-upstairs> and rlameiro has some suggestion as far as a redesign as well
[20:37] <rlameiro> yeah, but with the new things comming, maybe it needs another rethink
[20:38] <scott-upstairs> we need to at least update it to stop adding "@audio rtprio xx" and "@audio memelock xx" though
[20:39] <scott-upstairs> does anyone have any other thoughts, suggestions, complaints about it?
[20:39] <rlameiro> well, that seems fairly easy to do, just removing the code from it
[20:40] <scott-upstairs> what about removing the "nice" setting?  it has been argued that this doesn't help with -rt audio anyway
[20:40] <rlameiro> the nice thing... i really dont know about that, maybe crimsun can help on this
[20:40] <crimsun> right, I don't think renicing gains us anything
[20:40] <rlameiro> so take it away is the way to go
[20:41] <rlameiro> so sttudio controls will be only to enable raw1394
[20:41] <scott-upstairs> are there anything else that users routinely do after installation that we might add here also?
[20:42] <scott-upstairs> like installing 'ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[20:42] <scott-upstairs> or enabling the ubuntu studio ppa for other available kernels?
[20:42] <rlameiro> well adding the ppa is a good idea
[20:43] <astraljava> I think it would only be stuff that doesn't have relatively easy GUI at the moment.
[20:43] <crimsun> I think it'd be a very good idea to partition the ppa, namely, we should make a habit of documenting a stable ppa vice a development ppa.
[20:43] <astraljava> So -1 for installing ubuntu-restricted-extras.
[20:44] <rlameiro> crimsun: +1 to the 2 different ppas
[20:44] <crimsun> in fact, anything that belongs in the stable ppa we should probably get into Debian and Ubuntu first as much as possible
[20:44] <rlameiro> so the US controls only goes for the stable things
[20:44] <rlameiro> well, kernel is not easy to push AFAIK
[20:45] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, re: easy GUI, my thought would be to consider putting anything that a user routinely does after installation to get his box set up into -controls
[20:45] <crimsun> right, but those sorts of things can be expected to sit in a ppa.
[20:46] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, but only if it's worth it (not for just one additional installation or setting)
[20:46] <rlameiro> What do you think about the script that is on the Arch Linux wiki?
[20:47] <rlameiro> it search for lots of things
[20:47] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Yeah, but the problem is that you're trying to solve the problem that some other app already solves, and more maturely.
[20:47] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, true :)
[20:47] <rlameiro> hdd setups, hpet clocks
[20:48] <scott-upstairs> rlameiro, i don't know much about that rtirq script
[20:48] <rlameiro> its not rtirq
[20:48] <scott-upstairs> lol, that proves how much i know :)
[20:49] <rlameiro> its a perl script that test the configurations of your system, rtirq tries to alocate the irq in a way the rt kernel can use the devices more efficiently
[20:49] <scott-upstairs> i'll have to look at that script then, probably tomorrow evening then
[20:49] <rlameiro> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pro_Audio
[20:49] <astraljava> Maybe that should be made into a blueprint or something, at least a wiki item where devs can give test reports and other suggestions on how it should be implemented on US. I doubt that it would be possible to integrate it straight away.
[20:50] <scott-upstairs> great idea astraljava , can either you or rlameiro make it happen?
[20:50] <astraljava> rlameiro: Do you want that one?
[20:50] <rlameiro> well, i dont know any perl, just python..
[20:51] <astraljava> rlameiro: No need to be able to tweak it, just create the wiki page or something?
[20:51] <rlameiro> ok
[20:51] <rlameiro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ControlsRedesign
[20:51] <scott-upstairs> good, you work fast rlameiro ;)
[20:52] <rlameiro> :D
[20:52] <scott-upstairs> the ppa question of -controls actually ties into the next topic which is possibily maintaining our own backports ppa
[20:52] <rlameiro> i will make a chapter for a system tester script then
[20:52] <scott-upstairs> thanks
[20:53] <scott-upstairs> john dong basically said that the backports team is stretched pretty thin usually and suggested we maintain our own backports ppa
[20:53] <scott-upstairs> especially for a LTS version (if we have one)
[20:53] <rlameiro> i can test backports
[20:53] <rlameiro> i will have a VM with a LTS version for that
[20:54] <rlameiro> or a partition for kernel and hardcore software testing
[20:54] <astraljava> I'm interested in working with backports, and possibly even integrating into the team in the future.  :D
[20:55] <scott-upstairs> i like backports as well :)
[20:55] <scott-upstairs> i asked jdong about a member from our team being included on their team, he wasn't reticent as much as he demured from the subject at this time
[20:56] <scott-upstairs> i think his concern was quality and effectiveness
[20:56] <astraljava> Well yeah, I assume they want to see a proven track record for these things.
[20:56] <scott-upstairs> he wants someone who does a quality job and actually *does* the job, not just someone who wants to be on another team
[20:56] <scott-upstairs> but if we maintain the backports ppa this may be a vector into it
[20:57] <astraljava> Absolutely understood.
[20:57] <rlameiro> only one thing about it
[20:57] <rlameiro> What is qualified for backport?
[20:58] <rlameiro> any app? just on the main repo?
[20:58] <scott-upstairs> rlameiro, are you asking about ubuntu's policy or asking if we can slip something else into *our* ppa?
[20:59] <rlameiro> no, just iff we can backport any software we use on ubuntustudio
[20:59] <rlameiro> for instance a new jack
[20:59] <rlameiro> or a new ardour
[20:59] <crimsun> I'd argue that we consider even further partitioning of the ppa in that case.
[20:59] <scott-upstairs> we need to test it first, but i think any software in the archives is acceptable to backport
[21:00] <rlameiro> ok, understood
[21:00] <scott-upstairs> crimsun, are you saying that because of libraries?
[21:00] <crimsun> scott-upstairs: yeah
[21:00] <scott-upstairs> rlameiro, weird things can happen if we start introducing something like JACK2 into lucid via backports
[21:01] <scott-upstairs> detrate, do you have anything to say about the website update?
[21:01] <astraljava> Can a team have several PPAs, or just the one?
[21:01] <rlameiro> so we can conclude we need to make various ppa with specific functions and teams
[21:01] <crimsun> astraljava: as segmented as desired
[21:02] <astraljava> crimsun: Okay, I need to read about that further. At the moment I have no idea how it works. :)
[21:03] <scott-upstairs> moving on:  we are also updating the website, detrate is helping us
[21:03] <scott-upstairs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskWebRevamp  is the list that i forwarded to detrate (who has someone else helping him)
[21:03] <scott-upstairs> please feel free to amend and update it
[21:04] <scott-upstairs> it would appear that the new website will probably be based on word press
[21:04] <astraljava> Surely there's a deadline for the updates? I mean, they must have a feature freeze at some point.
[21:05] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, do you mean for the website?
[21:05] <astraljava> No objections towards wordpress.
[21:05] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Yes.
[21:05] <rlameiro> i dont like the facebook think so much, but it could work :D
[21:06] <scott-upstairs> well, i don't think the feature freeze will have any impact on updating the website since it isn't actually part of the ubuntu development process
[21:06] <rlameiro> alse there is already a !ubuntustudio group on identi.ca, maybe we can send updates to the subscribers of the group
[21:07] <scott-upstairs> i was hoping to have detrate here to discuss current status and a generalized time table, but oh well
[21:08] <scott-upstairs> does anyone have anything else to add about the website update?  anyone want to particpate in it?
[21:09] <scott-upstairs> okay, moving on:  the next one is a good one,  reducing the delta between ubuntu packages and debian packages
[21:09] <scott-upstairs> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html
[21:09] <scott-upstairs> this provides a list of package that are in both ubuntu studio and debian and it categorizes them
[21:10] <scott-upstairs> we should focus on the following:  http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#sameversionbutlocalinB
[21:10] <scott-upstairs> and http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/ubuntustudio.html#outdatedandlocalinB
[21:11] <scott-upstairs> these are packages with local changes, i.e. ubuntu specific
[21:11] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Sorry, was afk for a while. If not tied to distro release dates, then no feature freeze for the website, you're right. Moving on now. :)
[21:12] <scott-upstairs> we should evaluate these packages and see if the ubuntu specific changes are: 1) necessary  and 2) can be pushed back "upstream" to debian to be incorporate into their pacakges
[21:13] <astraljava> I can start tracking this, like already discussed with quadrispro, I'm interested in working together with debian-multimedia, so I'd think this falls under that umbrella.
[21:13] <scott-upstairs> eliminating ubuntu specific changes allows us to request a sync from debian instead of hand packaging the changes
[21:13] <scott-upstairs> fantastic astraljava , i would also like to help with this as well
[21:14] <astraljava> Ok.
[21:14] <scott-upstairs> good, moving on:  testing procedures
[21:14] <scott-upstairs> stochastic, are you here?
[21:15] <scott-upstairs> i was hoping that since eric is the head of the ubuntustudio-testers group in launchpad that he would help with this
[21:15] <scott-upstairs> but my thoughts were that if we *really* want more feedback from users then we need to codify our expectations
[21:15] <astraljava> Shows how out I am of this game, I didn't even know about such a team in LP. :)
[21:16] <rlameiro> well i can do iso testing
[21:16] <scott-upstairs> we should establish the testing that we would like done, we should document it well, and then we should ask for help :)
[21:16] <rlameiro> but we do need some procedures
[21:16] <scott-upstairs> rlameiro, thank you, but i was hoping a small team could develop those procedures :)
[21:17] <scott-upstairs> basically, we have nothing right now, so something is better than that :)
[21:17] <scott-upstairs> anyone want a crack at it? or shall I wait and see about stochastic ?
[21:17] <rlameiro> well, there are some studio esting procedures made by ckontros somewhere
[21:18] <scott-upstairs> i have all the links i could previously find somewhere convienient if you would like me to forward them to rlameiro
[21:18] <scott-upstairs> it sounds like you may be interested in helping?  :)
[21:19] <astraljava> Is there a wiki page for this?
[21:19] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, there are several, but none really finished or completed
[21:20] <rlameiro> well i am on the testing team (i joined myself...) so i can try to help on that, but only after finishing my college related things
[21:20] <astraljava> Okay, so we need to unify them together and work on that to create the policy.
[21:20] <scott-upstairs> certainly, rlameiro
[21:21] <scott-upstairs> my thought was that a small group should get together and discuss this, agree to which itesm should be tested beyond installation of ISO
[21:21] <scott-upstairs> for example, run jack, record something in ardour
[21:21] <rlameiro> yeah
[21:21] <scott-upstairs> just come up with the bullet points of *what* should be tested, the rest is downhill (easy)
[21:21] <rlameiro> and try to have a core team that can test diffrent situations
[21:21] <rlameiro> like firewire, usb pci cards
[21:21] <rlameiro> laptop/desktop
[21:21] <rlameiro> etc
[21:22] <rlameiro> i will try to ping stochastic on that
[21:22] <scott-upstairs> but once it's documented i think we might see more support from users as well :)   tell them *specifically* what to do to test
[21:22] <rlameiro> and maybe holstein
[21:22] <scott-upstairs> i know the opensourcemusicians would love to help :)
[21:23] <scott-upstairs> once it's documented, that is
[21:23] <rlameiro> ok
[21:23] <scott-upstairs> rlameiro, so you are going to work with stochastic on this?  astraljava, do you want to help as well?
[21:23] <rlameiro> i can get to it with stochastic if he is interested in it
[21:23] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Absolutely.
[21:23] <scott-upstairs> rlameiro, if he isn't i will help as well
[21:24] <scott-upstairs> that is fantastic!
[21:24] <scott-upstairs> this ties into the last topic:   where to put documentation?  wiki.ubuntu.com or help.ubuntu.com
[21:24] <scott-upstairs> hi _guitarman_
[21:24] <_guitarman_> hi scott-upstairs
[21:24] <scott-upstairs> does anyone have particular thoughts about wiki vs. help?
[21:24] <rlameiro> finally _guitarman_
[21:25] <rlameiro> _guitarman_: is a good candidate for a testing team
[21:25] <astraljava> I don't have an informed opinion, sorry.
[21:25] <rlameiro> he plays alot in it
[21:25] <rlameiro> sorry for the regression scott-upstairs
[21:25] <scott-upstairs> right now there seems to be a mish mash between the two
[21:25] <_guitarman_> rlameiro: we can talk about that later
[21:25] <rlameiro> yeap
[21:25] <scott-upstairs> no problem rlameiro :)
[21:26] <scott-upstairs> my thoughts are that we try to use help.ubuntu.com for the user facing documentation, i.e. the howtos, etc
[21:26] <rlameiro> about the next topic i think a good idea to diferentiate wiki from help
[21:26] <scott-upstairs> the wiki.ubuntu.com is what developers and contributors work on to help development
[21:26] <rlameiro> and make wiki more dev centric and help more community
[21:26] <scott-upstairs> absolutely :)
[21:26] <astraljava> Sounds good to me.
[21:27] <scott-upstairs> it wouldn't hurt to deprecate the ubuntustudio page on  wiki.ubuntu.com and put up an index for our stuff then
[21:27] <astraljava> Please elaborate.
[21:27] <scott-upstairs> 'tis a nice page, i would move it somewhere and link to it, not delete it :)
[21:28] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, right now it has things like team members, how to contact the team, this is not very "development" like
[21:28] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Okay, understood.
[21:28] <scott-upstairs> that information can be moved to the help.ubuntu.com as required
[21:28] <scott-upstairs> okay :)
[21:28] <rlameiro> well i do have some things to trough in
[21:29] <scott-upstairs> yes?
[21:29] <scott-upstairs> and i think astraljava had something as well
[21:29] <rlameiro> well the main topic is the audience and the meaning of ubuntustudio
[21:30] <rlameiro> who? why? where? are very important questions
[21:30]  * scott-upstairs nods his head
[21:30] <_guitarman_> you also have ubuntustudio.com
[21:31] <rlameiro> for instance why do we need a media distro and for whom
[21:31] <rlameiro> and find a "user base" and go for it
[21:31] <_guitarman_> as an end user its always been a bit confusing having so many places to go
[21:31] <_guitarman_> not knowing which is the right place etc.
[21:31] <rlameiro> i had an idea of what can be done, but people could find this intruding
[21:32] <astraljava> rlameiro: Be brave. :)
[21:32] <scott-upstairs> _guitarman_, that is a *very* good point, we shall have to address it as well
[21:32] <rlameiro> make a feedback software that would fireup on the first install, maybe atacched to a launchpad id (to avoid duplicates)
[21:32] <rlameiro> and make a kind of poll
[21:33] <_guitarman_> scott-upstairs: its my belief most people are going to be starting on the ubuntustudio.com web site
[21:33] <scott-upstairs> _guitarman_, that's good information, thanks!
[21:33] <_guitarman_> scott-upstairs: so if you want to funnel them in appropriately, you should have a help tab, and a developer tab
[21:33] <_guitarman_> and on that is how you can direct traffic appropriately
[21:33] <scott-upstairs> absolutely :)
[21:33] <rlameiro> _guitarman_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskWebRevamp look and see what can be improved
[21:33]  * _guitarman_ isn't sure if he's being a pest or not
[21:34] <scott-upstairs> _guitarman_,  you are offering good opinions and advice, not being a pest :)
[21:34] <_guitarman_> rlameiro: ah thanks
[21:34] <astraljava> Currently we have links to both wiki.u.c and help.u.c on the website, but perhaps clarifying what they mean is in order.
[21:34] <scott-upstairs> we currently have a user base, but i don't think anyone could accurate define it well
[21:35] <rlameiro> well that is the idea of this software
[21:35] <rlameiro> you could do a feedback app that would send usefull info about the usage
[21:35] <rlameiro> for instance, it could send the hardwae the people use, what for(audio video or 3d/2d
[21:36] <_guitarman_> astraljava: i would venture to say that the user will be confused with a redirect - if there is a way to make it appear that they are still on the ubuntustudio website that would be less confusing even if you are bringing in content from the other sites. if this makes sense
[21:36] <scott-upstairs> that does make sense _guitarman_
[21:36] <astraljava> _guitarman_: Noted. Don't know how it's possible, but something to think about.
[21:36] <scott-upstairs> i'm not sure if it's possible :/  we can ask detrate for his input though
[21:36] <rlameiro> maybe using a iframe with the link
[21:38] <scott-upstairs> rlameiro, if we did go the 'feedback app' route it would take time to get through REVU though
[21:38] <_guitarman_> the user needs a 1 stop shop, ideally it would all be on the ubuntustudio web site...
[21:38] <_guitarman_> if your goal is to get less developer types and hacker types, then they don't really care about anything but ubuntustudio.com
[21:39] <_guitarman_> what i mean is - if you want to widen the audience, you have to deliver something like a super tasty potato chip... the bag has to look good, and the contents have to be refined and just the right stuff.
[21:39] <_guitarman_> anyways - you get the idea i imagine and i'll just listen in for a bit
[21:40] <astraljava> _guitarman_: I'm getting the feel that help.u.c would be integrated to us.org, _not_ wiki.u.c/us though. That might make perfect sense, actually.
[21:40] <rlameiro> _guitarman_: you are right, i never liked the ubunsutstudio website because of that
[21:41] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: I hear ya regarding the feedback app. It takes time to design and spec such an app, and getting it in before feature freeze might prove out to be difficult.
[21:41] <astraljava> Perhaps for Maverick+1?
[21:41] <rlameiro> astraljava: maybe there is a way to parse the help.u,com webpage and use it as a "native look" inside ubuntustudio.org
[21:42] <astraljava> rlameiro: _guitarman_: Please add this as a feature to the TaskWebRevamp page, so detrate et al. can design it in.
[21:42] <rlameiro> well the feedback app has very deep implications, that go into the ubuntu core
[21:42] <scott-upstairs> i had planned on discussing audience in the next meeting so i'm not as prepared as i had hoped
[21:42] <scott-upstairs> but we obviously need to understand more about our audience's wants and needs
[21:42] <rlameiro> scott-upstairs: np, but as astraljava mentioned, this stuff takes time
[21:42] <scott-upstairs> i had thought that an online survey would help and had started developing questions for it
[21:42] <rlameiro> so we need to start ASAP to get it on Maverick+1
[21:43] <scott-upstairs> we could post the link in the -users mailing list, the forums and the irc channel
[21:43] <rlameiro> scott-upstairs: online survey will help for the immediate time
[21:44] <scott-upstairs> but i fear that most users are somewhat apathetic to helping and we may need another vector to gather information
[21:44] <rlameiro> but i always tought that it is a missing piece on the ubuntu sphere
[21:44] <astraljava> I'm just thinking about popcon, and its problems in getting users reveal their habits and other "sensitive" information.
[21:44] <rlameiro> maybe it is purposed, so i am afraid it will be dismissed very hard
[21:45] <scott-upstairs> "popcorn" astraljava ?
[21:45] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: No, popcon.ubuntu.com. :)
[21:45] <astraljava> There's an app that gathers information regarding packages installed etc.
[21:46] <astraljava> But it has to be turned on, as turning it on by default is considered a privacy violation.
[21:46] <scott-upstairs> oh, bloody fantastic!  i didn't know that existed till fifteen seconds ago
[21:46] <rlameiro> well, i dont meant to do packages
[21:47] <rlameiro> I tought more on a survey like thing
[21:47] <scott-upstairs> i was hoping to understand user's workflows as well
[21:47] <astraljava> rlameiro: I understand, but it might be perceived as the same thing.
[21:47] <rlameiro> astraljava: yeap, i know it is really sensitive stuff
[21:48] <scott-upstairs> but it does become important for us to understand what the users want/need in order to provide it to them
[21:48] <astraljava> But yeah, as a totally volunteered "if you like, please take part in this survey" kind of app.
[21:48] <rlameiro> astraljava: that was the idea
[21:48] <rlameiro> the app show on the startup, or maybe after 10 reboots
[21:48] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Forums have polls, don't they?
[21:49]  * rlameiro 10 reboots seems better
[21:49] <scott-upstairs> i think ubuntu forums has polls
[21:49] <rlameiro> well, maybe we will need a meeting just for this matter :D
[21:49] <astraljava> rlameiro: There is the way to make those lightbulbs appear in the panel, that might work as an information pop-up as well.
[21:50] <rlameiro> astraljava: great idea
[21:50] <astraljava> rlameiro: True, but let's not wait too long for that.
[21:50] <holstein> rlameiro: sorry i missed the meeting :/
[21:50] <holstein> i had a session
[21:50] <holstein> and im off to a gig now :)
[21:50] <rlameiro> he he
[21:50] <scott-upstairs> hi holstein , bye holstein !
[21:50] <rlameiro> lol
[21:50] <holstein> next time
[21:50] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, didn't you have something else you wanted to mention?
[21:51] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Hmm... I don't know, did I? :)
[21:51] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Any idea what it was referring to?
[21:51]  * astraljava had a tough day at the construction... :)
[21:51] <scott-upstairs> sorry, it was andyzweb
[21:51] <astraljava> Ok.
[21:52] <scott-upstairs> andyzweb, do you want to mention now what you started to say earlier?
[21:53] <scott-upstairs> whew, it's been a two hour meeting
[21:53] <rlameiro> wow
[21:53] <rlameiro> i need to eat
[21:53] <rlameiro> lol
[21:53] <astraljava> Goes to show that a meeting was in order. :)
[21:53] <scott-upstairs> does anyone else have anything to add?
[21:53] <astraljava> Next meeting?
[21:53] <scott-upstairs> i'll add audience to the next meeting agenda soon
[21:54] <scott-upstairs> astraljava, should be in approximately one month
[21:54] <astraljava> scott-upstairs: Okay good.
[21:54] <scott-upstairs> we try for second sunday each month
[21:54] <rlameiro> scott-upstairs: i think we could schedule more often
[21:54] <rlameiro> maybe specific meetings
[21:54] <rlameiro> like testing team meeting
[21:55] <scott-upstairs> absolutely!  that's a good idea
[21:55] <scott-upstairs> i'll summarize the meeting during this coming week and see about setting the next meeting up as well and post to the -dev mailing list
[21:56] <rlameiro> k
[21:56] <astraljava> Great!
[21:56] <scott-upstairs> thank you for participating :)
[21:56] <astraljava> Does the meeting log get posted?
[21:56] <scott-upstairs> yes, this channel is automatically logged
[21:56] <astraljava> Oh, right. :)
[21:56] <scott-upstairs> i will include links to it on the meeting agenda page along with the summerization
[21:56] <scott-upstairs> s/summerization/summary
[21:56] <astraljava> Cool.
[21:56] <scott-upstairs> that sounded german
[21:57] <astraljava> Heheh... :)
[21:57] <rlameiro> he he
[22:05] <astraljava> Thank you ScottL for organizing this. :)
[22:05] <astraljava> Just one thing came to mind, too late of course. What about the team positions?
[22:06]  * _guitarman_ plays defense
[22:06]  * _guitarman_ jokes
[22:06] <astraljava> Hahah! :)
[22:11] <rlameiro> lol
[22:11] <rlameiro> ScottL: is not upstairs now... maybe spending sometime with the family
[22:11] <rlameiro> I vote on _guitarman_ to the testing team
[22:12] <rlameiro> he uses a lot of audio features everyday, besides beeing a podcaster
[22:22] <astraljava> Hopefully he can join the team. Is it an open team? Well I guess I can take a look at it myself. :)
[22:24] <astraljava> Ahh... I'm already an indirect member. Guess I should pay more attention to my LP affairs. ;)
[22:41] <_guitarman_> rlameiro: i'd love to be helpful, i'm just very concerned about the commitments i already have. :( testing an iso out from time to time and contributing a thought here and there may be my max at this point ... i'm just not sure, i've got the full time job, the podcast, the kids, and a tech contract outside of that
[22:42] <rlameiro> _guitarman_: well, you could test things out when isos ae released
[22:42] <rlameiro> and maybe only testing one of them
[22:42] <_guitarman_> yes, i did one of those this time around
[22:42] <rlameiro> that would be very helpfull already
[22:43] <_guitarman_> probably my usefulness will extend to communicating what the team has to say - like the interview we did with scott
[22:43] <_guitarman_> i'm open to conveying whatever the team wants to send out
[22:43] <rlameiro> and as a musician you would go to the straight points, like hardware working, or jack unnig and things like that
[22:43] <_guitarman_> we are almost at 1500 downloads / month
[22:44] <_guitarman_> hopefully grow more and more
[22:44] <rlameiro> well, i think a PR positions isnt a bad idea...
[22:44] <_guitarman_> hehe we shall see - i'll sit in on the next few meetings and see if anything comes natural to how i can be of service
[22:44] <rlameiro> maybe a shout out to test isos when its needed
[22:45] <_guitarman_> yup or if the team needs help developing an app to do X
[22:45] <_guitarman_> or this or that
[22:45] <_guitarman_> next time we won't fail so bad on getting the word out sooner
[22:46] <rlameiro> well you can help alot just with that
[22:46] <rlameiro> but also, you are an "heavy" audio user, so you imput is very important also
[22:47] <rlameiro> software releases worth to include, or some things that dont work wood
[22:47] <rlameiro> that feedback seems important to me
[22:47] <_guitarman_> yeah, something that is really useful that kxstudio did is the pulse to jack bridge being on by default
[22:47] <_guitarman_> this solved my podcast problem with skype
[22:47] <_guitarman_> i setup a mumble server
[22:47] <_guitarman_> do the voip on that
[22:47] <rlameiro> and after all you are a power user.... slackware pain lover
[22:47] <_guitarman_> use pulse to jack audio bridge to route the other voice in ardour
[22:47] <_guitarman_> i tested this today, it works
[22:48] <rlameiro> well, the problems is that the bridge is not on the ubuntu repos
[22:48] <rlameiro> so here you go, you found a thing to implement :D
[22:48] <_guitarman_> yes, it must be in falks ppa
[22:49] <_guitarman_> as it is, his distro is more suitable with that being implemented for my uses.
[22:49] <_guitarman_> i can get ubuntustudio to do the same i imagine if i drop the ppa in
[22:49] <_guitarman_> i might do this
[22:49] <_guitarman_> on my mininote
[22:50] <_guitarman_> the implecation is huge - the lack of dependance on a non free tool
[22:50] <rlameiro> well, maybe we need to try to push the package to the ubuntu repos
[22:50] <_guitarman_> i will drop slack like a hot rock
[22:50] <rlameiro> hehe
[22:50] <_guitarman_> here what i think kxstudio does right - the latest apps, the pulse to jack sync
[22:51] <_guitarman_> in a way, fragmentation is a bit of a problem - blessing and a curse
[22:51] <rlameiro> _guitarman_: what is the name of the bridge?
[22:52] <rlameiro> from the binary
[22:52] <_guitarman_> hmmm lemme see if its easy to grep
[22:52] <_guitarman_> i actually don't know
[22:53] <_guitarman_> i still have that livedvd in the pc
[22:53] <rlameiro> oh never mind
[22:53] <rlameiro> i will find it later
[22:53] <_guitarman_> pulseaudio-module-jack
[22:53] <_guitarman_> is one
[22:54] <_guitarman_> they are on jack2 though as well etc.
[22:54] <_guitarman_> its all the experimental stuff
[22:54] <_guitarman_> ladi
[22:54] <_guitarman_> etc
[22:54] <_guitarman_> i dont really know if thats where ubuntustudio wants to go
[22:55] <_guitarman_> anyways - that module in particular is of use to podcasters wanting to use pulse voip and record it in ardour
[22:55] <_guitarman_> a lot of linux podcasters would find that useful
[22:56] <_guitarman_> well, i just installed that on the mininote
[22:56] <_guitarman_> which is running lucid
[22:56] <_guitarman_> i'll let you know if thats all that was needed
[22:57] <rlameiro> well, it is on the repos
[22:57] <rlameiro> where do you strt it?
[22:58] <rlameiro> from the pachooser?
[22:58] <_guitarman_> rlameiro: we can probably take this over to #opensourcemusicians so we don't flood the log
[22:58] <rlameiro> yeap
[22:58] <rlameiro> :D
[23:02] <astraljava> Please don't, it's useful information for this project as well. :) Nevermind the log.
[23:03] <rlameiro> yea


[00:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:14] <ducasse> good morning
[06:57] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[07:02] <lordievader> Good morning


[00:00] <rick_h_> LiftedKilt: yea, odd. I've not really tried to just add a machine but we've got tests on that that pass.
[00:00] <rick_h_> LiftedKilt: but that's an odd one, will have to try to replicate
[00:00] <arosales> c0s: good points you are uncovering though
[00:00] <c0s> well, too bad am not making much progress because of them ;)
[00:01] <c0s> ah well
[00:01] <arosales> spring XD looks interesting
[00:01] <LiftedKilt> rick_h_: I'll play with it some more tomorrow, but 99% sure all the wily charms fail for me
[00:01] <LiftedKilt> but xenial and trusty work just fine
[00:01] <c0s> arosales: it is ... Pivotal seems to be super-hot about this... Althgough, it is more of a developer tool. ...
[00:01] <arosales> c0s: its part of the dev process
[00:02] <LiftedKilt> rick_h_: leaving work now - thanks for the help
[00:02] <arosales> c0s: the existence of springXD in itself is a proof point of the complexity at this layer
[00:02] <c0s> But supposedly you can do something like
[00:02] <c0s>   xd> stream create kafka-source-test --definition "kafka --zkconnect=localhost:2181 --topic=event-stream | log"--deploy
[00:02] <c0s> and start consuming messages from a kafka topic
[00:02] <c0s> yup, 'tis true sir
[00:04] <arosales> c0s: interesting re springXD. It seems something is going to have to pari with kafka. I am not sure if thats Gobblin, Flume, springXD or something else
[00:04] <arosales> *pair
[00:06] <arosales> rick_h_: would that be an issue with curtain and wiley?
[00:06] <arosales> rick_h_: or was maas putting down a proper wiley that could be ssh'ed into
[00:06] <rick_h_> arosales: I'm not sure. I'd want to see the logs and see where it fell over from the machine and the juju logs
[00:06] <rick_h_> arosales: the not able to ssh I thought was a xenial lxd things, not maas/wily
[00:07] <arosales> well juju aside maas should be able to set down a wiley instance that one can ssh into
[00:07] <arosales> at least from a debug perspective
[00:07] <rick_h_> arosales: yes
[00:07] <c0s> arosales: yes... needs to be defined. Just forcing a user to write their own sinks and consumer code might be too much for most...
[00:07] <rick_h_> arosales: he didn't have any ssh keys setp so not sure what it must have setup there since juju ssh failed.
[00:08] <rick_h_> arosales: should have tried juju ssh with --debug to see if anything jumped out
[00:08] <arosales> c0s: agreed even if for a given set
[00:09] <c0s> yup
[00:09] <c0s> ok, I've created a card.
[00:09] <arosales> c0s: thanks
[00:09] <c0s> Switching off... was a long day
[00:09] <c0s> you're welcome arosales
[00:09] <arosales> c0s: have a good evening
[00:10] <arosales> rick_h_: well I am sure LiftedKilt will be back tomorrow, thanks for the help
[00:10] <c0s> TTL
[02:12] <stub> tvansteenburgh: Some basic tests, but I've been blocked from testing 2.0 (an open bug that breaks the PostgreSQL charm)
[08:16] <A-Kaser> hi$
[08:44] <jamespage> xnox, did you hit this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1564791 ?
[08:44] <mup> Bug #1564791: 2.0-beta3: LXD provider, jujud architecture mismatch <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564791>
[09:21] <xnox> jamespage, no, because i bootstrap with uploading my own tools.
[09:21] <xnox> jamespage, there are no s390x tools published yet.
[09:22] <jamespage> xnox, hmm
[09:22] <jamespage> ok
[09:23] <jamespage> xnox, ok trying with that now
[09:28] <deanman> is there any way to have a "private" charm store ? Something that the end-user can use with the GUI to deploy custom charms ?
[09:29] <xnox> jamespage, but the bug is valid.... s390x should not try to download and use amd64 tools.
[09:30] <magicaltrout> deanman: no that I am aware of
[09:30] <magicaltrout> +t
[09:35] <jamespage> dosaboy, apologies for not spotting this before but please can we move the context for the internal endpoint config option to charm-helpers please..
[09:44] <dosaboy> jamespage: sure
[09:51] <jamespage> dosaboy, thanks
[10:01] <dosaboy> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~hopem/charm-helpers/lp1456876/+merge/290701
[10:02] <jamespage> dosaboy, cough..
[10:02] <jamespage> unit test ?
[10:02] <dosaboy> jamespage: come on its Friday ;)
[10:02] <dosaboy> yeah sure
[10:16] <dosaboy> jamespage: done.
[13:12] <gnuoy> dosaboy, got anytime for https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charm-helpers/sysv-service-running/+merge/290729 >
[13:12] <gnuoy> ?
[13:13] <dosaboy> gnuoy: otp but yes
[13:13] <gnuoy> ta
[14:07] <kjackal> Hey cory_fu, kwmonroe, what do you think about changing the default execution mode of spark from yarn-client to standalone?
[14:07] <kjackal> Good morning!
[14:09] <kwmonroe> i'm ok with that kjackal, but let's get c0s' +1
[14:11] <kjackal> Is is reasonable since spark can work out of the box, however there is a catch here, our bundles that use spark should add an option to set the old-default execution mode
[14:14] <cory_fu> That's not a big deal.  +1
[14:18] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: Hello, you mentioned you want to use juju 2.0 on 14.04 ppc64le.
[14:18] <mbruzek> It should work, but I think you would have better results with 16.04.
[14:18] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: have you added the ppa:juju/devel
[14:20] <mbruzek> ?
[14:21] <Prabakaran> yes i have added .. i am trying to take the error what i am getting
[14:21] <mbruzek> OK
[14:25] <kwmonroe> Prabakaran: what environment are you using?  local (containers), maas, or cloud?
[14:32] <thedac> jamespage: rabbitmq-server and percona-cluster do not need default extra-bindings, correct? I'll land those if that is the case.
[14:33] <jamespage> thedac, yeah - relations == network connections in which case extra-bindings are not required!
[14:33] <jamespage> thedac, I was also thinking about horizon
[14:33] <jamespage> i think the same is true there
[14:33] <thedac> ok
[14:34] <jamespage> juju deploy openstack-dashboard --bind "website=public identity-service=internal"
[14:34] <jamespage> thedac, I'll raise a README for that...
[14:34] <thedac> cool
[14:40] <Prabakaran> Hello Matt, I was getting "E: Unable to locate package juju2" on the Linux c277-pkvm-vm54 3.16.0-30-generic #40~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP ppc64le GNU/Linux machine
[14:40] <Prabakaran> I followed the steps referring https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/getting-started
[14:41] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: Right but you need to install the ppa:juju/devel instead of the "stable" one.
[14:41] <Prabakaran> k let me try with that
[14:41] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/ubuntu/devel/+packages tells me that there is a package for 14.04.2
[14:41] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: a juju2 package
[14:42] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: after you add the devel ppa you will need to do an apt-get update
[14:42] <mbruzek> and apt-get upgrade
[14:42] <Prabakaran> ya it is getting installated..
[14:43] <mbruzek> The error message you gave me listed 14.04.1, perhaps the system has not been updated in a while
[14:43] <mbruzek> ?
[14:44] <Prabakaran> i think i got this error because i have used ppa/stable instead of ppa/deve;
[14:44] <Prabakaran> now it is installaed
[14:45] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: OK great
[14:46] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: Juju 2.0 is *very* different than 1.25. You will need to set up a different directory.  ~/.local/share/juju
[14:46] <Prabakaran> oh k
[14:46] <Prabakaran> can you help me with that?
[14:47] <mbruzek> Follow the devel docs and report a doc issue if you have problems or suggestions: https://github.com/juju/docs/issues/new
[14:47] <Prabakaran> i think i will have to instal lxd for local cloud right?
[14:48] <Prabakaran> This link is asking me credential for GITHUB
[14:48] <mbruzek> Yes that is where we keep our issues for documentation
[14:48] <Prabakaran> i dont have github account
[14:49] <mbruzek> Oh I see
[14:49] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: If you want to set up LXD you can look here: https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/config-LXD
[14:49] <mbruzek> lxd is pretty new and will work best on 16.04
[14:50] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: actually reading it now, I see 15.10 or 16.04 is a prerequisite
[14:50] <mbruzek> https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/config-LXD#prerequisites
[14:50] <Prabakaran> k
[14:51] <mbruzek> that is because of the kernel features that are used in LXD
[14:52] <Prabakaran> oh k
[14:53] <Prabakaran> all machine what we are using is of Linux c277-pkvm-vm54 3.16.0-30-generic #40~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP ppc64le and x86 only.. thats no problem let us swith to ubuntu 16
[14:54] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: It is a good idea to get acquainted with 2.0,
[14:54] <Prabakaran> before that let me check this using vm hypervisors
[14:54] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: you can use your cloud credentials on 2.0 and use AWS or something else, but LXD requires 15.10 or later
[14:55] <Prabakaran> ya k sure.. let me try in ubuntu 15.10 or above
[14:56] <Prabakaran> Thanks for your patience in helping me :)
[14:59] <thedac> jamespage: network spaces meeting?
[14:59] <jamespage> thedac, yes
[15:07] <mbruzek> Prabakaran: not a problem
[15:18] <LiftedKilt> arosales: rick_h_: I really appreciate you guys helping with this. Here's a pastebin of the results http://paste.ubuntu.com/15577480/
[15:19] <LiftedKilt> rick_h_: arosales: juju can't ssh into the machine, but I can manually when using juju's private key and the ubuntu user. No idea what's going on there...
[15:25] <rick_h_> LiftedKilt: can yoilu try with --debug please?
[15:30] <LiftedKilt> rick_h_: I did run it with debug in the paste - you have to put --debug before the ssh command otherwise it get's passed to openssh
[15:41] <stormmore> LiftedKilt: I am looking at that output and it looks like it successfully sshed in
[15:42] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: the bottom part where it is successful is with me manually connecting
[15:43] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: the top portion up until the adding to known hosts is when juju tries, and it just hangs there and never connects
[15:43] <LiftedKilt> line 20 is where juju hangs, line 27 is me manually connecting
[15:45] <stormmore> LiftedKilt: ah ok, I see that, usually when I see problems like that with services it is a network routing issue
[15:46] <stormmore> LiftedKilt: what does your network config look like?
[15:46] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: I don't think it's a network issue because trusty and xenial images work - it's just wily that fails
[15:46] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: maas and juju are on the same box, sitting on a <IP_ADDRESS>/16 network for testing
[15:47] <stormmore> LiftedKilt: log in manually and try and ping the maas server and vice versa
[15:48] <LiftedKilt> I'm logging in manually from the juju machine
[15:50] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: I've narrowed it down to juju not being able to ssh, but on the same machine using the same credentials I am able to manually connect
[15:50] <stormmore> LiftedKilt: one different I do see is juju is using the juju_id_rsa-cert and not juju_id_rsa (which it can’t fine)
[15:51] <stormmore> can you try ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-i /home/toor/.local/share/juju/ssh/juju_id_rsa-cert
[15:51] <LiftedKilt> that file doesn't exist
[15:52] <LiftedKilt> in the juju/ssh folder I only have a juju_id_rsa and a juju_id_rsa.pub
[15:52] <stormmore> which is what I would expect
[15:52] <stormmore> what about the permissions on the files?
[15:52] <stormmore> debug1: identity file /home/toor/.local/share/juju/ssh/juju_id_rsa type 1
[15:52] <stormmore> debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory
[15:53] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: 600 on both
[15:53] <stormmore> that is what I believe is the problem
[15:53] <LiftedKilt> so why is it only failing on wily?
[15:54] <stormmore> version of OpenSSH maybe?
[16:00] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: openssh client version 1:6.9p1-2
[16:02] <stormmore> do you have a trust/xeniel in the environement that you can get a juju --debug ssh <id> -vvv out of?
[16:03] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: spinning up one of each now
[16:04] <stormmore> LiftedKilt: idea would be to see what difference we are seeing between wily and them using the same commands
[16:04] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: right
[16:09] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: here's trusty http://paste.ubuntu.com/15578169/
[16:16] <stormmore> so doesn’t show anything different. ok how about doing ssh -vvv<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-i /home/toor/.local/share/juju/ssh/juju_id_rsa?
[16:18] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15578241/
[16:19] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: also - I rebooted the machine, and now the juju ssh command is returning this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15578255/
[16:19] <LiftedKilt> rebooted node 0, that is
[16:20] <stormmore> just that looks odd and definitely outside my knowledge
[16:21] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: apparently the macaroons message isn't related to the reboot, because the other wily nodes I didn't reboot are returning the same message as well
[16:32] <stormmore> I am still thinking an openssh version compat issue
[16:33] <stormmore> looks like it is getting stuck trying to determine the remote version
[16:33] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: but if that was the case, then wouldn't it fail when manually initiated outside juju?
[16:34] <stormmore> nope
[16:34] <LiftedKilt> also the maas/juju server is running on wily itself
[16:35] <rick_h_> cmars: ^ any ideas on the "macaroon not found in storage" error?
[16:36] <rick_h_> cmars: is it a rm ~/.go-cookies kind of thing to try ?
[16:36] <LiftedKilt> well this could be a problem
[16:36] <LiftedKilt> the "wily" machine isn't wily, it's xenial
[16:37] <stormmore> that is what I was wondering
[16:37] <stormmore> I was seeing OpenSSH 7 on it
[16:37] <cmars> rick_h_, sorry, i'm looking at the scrollback, what's the context here?
[16:38] <LiftedKilt> juju status stopped working - no macaroon found in storage
[16:39] <cmars> LiftedKilt, ah, ok. try rm ~/.go-cookies
[16:39] <cmars> LiftedKilt, what version of juju client are you using?
[16:39] <LiftedKilt> I'm running locally on the juju server, which is juju2 beta3
[16:39] <LiftedKilt> clearing go-cookies didn't resolve it
[16:41] <cmars> LiftedKilt, you get this error message from the juju client when running `juju status`? or this is in the logs on the server?
[16:41] <LiftedKilt> from the client
[16:43] <LiftedKilt> stormmore: it looks like the problem is that juju ssh 0 is trying to ssh to the wrong machine
[16:44] <LiftedKilt> node 0 is actually <IP_ADDRESS>, which is running wily. the machine it is connecting to (<IP_ADDRESS>) is a separate machine running xenial
[16:44] <LiftedKilt> hence the mismatch
[16:44] <LiftedKilt> cmars: I've actually been running into the macaroon problem repeatedly, and I have to blow it all away and re-bootstrap to resolve it
[16:45] <stormmore> yeah that is really odd
[16:45] <cmars> LiftedKilt, what provider is this?
[16:45] <LiftedKilt> maas 1.9
[16:45] <cmars> LiftedKilt, is the controller HA?
[16:46] <LiftedKilt> cmars: No, although when I tried making it HA on a previous deployment, it caused this problem. Had to blow it away and start over
[16:49] <cmars> LiftedKilt, i think this might be an issue with the MAAS provider, I see some bugs open on Juju 2.0-beta3 with MAAS 1.9.1
[16:49] <cmars> LiftedKilt, my suggestion is to open a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core
[16:50] <cmars> LiftedKilt, include terminal output from running the juju status command, as well as machine logs off the controller machines
[16:51] <cmars> LiftedKilt, also the controllers.yaml and models.yaml, with private keys scrubbed if necessary
[16:51] <LiftedKilt> cmars: I wonder if the maas database is getting corrupted, and causing the machine id to stop correlating with the correct node number
[16:52] <cmars> LiftedKilt, it's possible. I know there are some other maas-related bugs right now impacting beta3, this may help provide a clearer picture
[16:53] <LiftedKilt> cmars: ok I'll start gathering some info
[16:53] <cmars> LiftedKilt, thanks!
[16:54] <thedac> jamespage: anyt time for a finaly review? https://code.launchpad.net/~thedac/charm-helpers/apparmor/+merge/290096
[16:54] <LiftedKilt> cmars stormmore rick_h_: thanks for the assistance - I'll keep poking at it
[16:54] <thedac> s/anyt/any
[18:11] <cholcombe> how do you get the JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT in a layers interface?
[18:24] <marcoceppi> cholcombe: the conversation is the JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT typically
[18:24] <marcoceppi> IIRC
[18:24] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: ^?
[18:26] <cholcombe> marcoceppi, i'm basically trying to recreate this with layers: https://github.com/openstack/charm-ceph-mon/blob/master/hooks/ceph_hooks.py#L540
[18:26] <cholcombe> getting the service_name out of the relation in the interface
[18:28] <cory_fu> cholcombe: The conversation instance will have a "units" property that is a list of the units for which that conversation applies.  If the relation scope is UNIT, then it will be a list with only one element.  Otherwise, it may contain more
[18:29] <cholcombe> cory_fu, hmm ok
[18:32] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: Relying on conv.scope to have a particular value was a mistake on my part and I never should have recommended it.  :(
[20:29] <cory_fu> Can I get a review: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic/pull/51
[20:46] <kwmonroe> +1, merged cory_fu


[12:44] <matttbe> Hello,
[12:44] <matttbe> I've a bug only with the Ambiance theme and DbusGtkMenu menus from other applications than Unity panel and I just want to know how can I help you to fix this bug :)
[12:44] <matttbe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/968133
[12:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 968133 in light-themes "Menus built with dbusmenu-gtk on Cairo-Dock are unreadable only with Ambiance GTK theme" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:45] <matttbe> This is how it looks like: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/100414459/Bug_menu_sound-controller.png
[12:47] <matttbe> I can fix the bug by adding '.menu,' just before "Genericmenuitem .menu,
[12:47] <matttbe> DbusmenuGtkMenu .menu," on gtk-widgets.css:1045 but of course, there are other problems
[12:49] <matttbe> sorry...
[12:49] <matttbe> I said "I can fix the bug by adding '.menu,' just before "Genericmenuitem .menu,
[12:49] <matttbe> DbusmenuGtkMenu .menu," on gtk-widgets.css:1045 but of course, there are other problems"
[12:49] <Atlantic777> Ubuntu Serbia with few other Serbian Linux communities is working on a free e-magazine but we've got some design problems. Is there any community which is orriented towards open source and maybe will want to help us?
[13:06] <matttbe> about my bug, it seems submenu are differents: http://uppix.net/7/4/4/5faa54d41169abdaddfec60169a73.png
[13:08] <matttbe> but it's a bit strange because the menu is normal and the text is made for a dark menu...
[13:08] <matttbe> It seems for the menu it doesn't use: Genericmenuitem .menu, DbusmenuGtkMenu .menu, .menubar .menu, .primary-toolbar .menu
[13:08] <matttbe> But for the menu item, it uses the configuration set in: Genericmenuitem .menuitem, DbusmenuGtkMenu .menuitem, .menubar .menuitem, .primary-toolbar .menuitem
[13:10] <matttbe> but I see that Unity has its own .css file. Is maybe Cairo-Dock needs that too?
[13:24] <matttbe> Another thing: on the gtk-widgets.css file of the Radiance theme, I think there is a mistake at the line 1282: there is a dot at the end of the line instead of a comma.
[13:24] <matttbe>         Genericmenuitem .menuitem .accelerator:hover,
[13:24] <matttbe> =>  DbusmenuGtkMenu .menuitem .accelerator:hover.
[13:24] <matttbe>         .menubar .menuitem .accelerator:hover,


[08:50] <solars> hi, quick question - I did a new installation of mythbuntu on a SSD, to ease config, what files should I copy over/adapt from the old disk? i.e. where is the configuration saved?


[00:21] <bilal> Is there a way to use juju API or some file in juju node where I can get the IPs of all machines that are being used in the whole openstack deployment?
[05:39] <stub> marlinc: Juju lets you open ports and expose them to outside of the environment per service, which will use OpenStack security groups. Inside the environment however, you need to do your own firewalling. If you are writing your charms in Python, charmhelpers.contrib.ufw can help here.
[05:40] <stub> charmhelpers.contrib.network.ufw sorry.
[05:41] <stub> marlinc: I believe features are being worked on that will allow better control inside the environment, but I don't know what release is targetted.
[07:16] <ezobn> Hi all, Does the juju charms ready for deploying the DVR in the Openstack Kilo ? Can I use gre with them ? I use /juju-proposed repo for the juju...
[10:25] <ezobn> Hi all, Does the juju charms ready for deploying the DVR in the Openstack Kilo ? Can I use gre with them ? I use /juju-proposed repo for the juju...
[10:58] <Mmike> Hi, lads. I upgraded juju on my control node to 1.24 (from 1.23). Now I'd like to upgrade agent across all the deployed services, but one by one. Is that possible? I see that juju upgrade-juju doesn't accept service name....
[14:12]  * Zetas waves to everyone
[14:42] <frankban> cory_fu: hi and thanks for the review on the redis charm. I updated it following your suggestions, could you please take another look when you have time?
[14:42] <cory_fu> frankban: Absolutely.  I have RQ time slotted for today, so I will follow up on it in the next few hours.
[14:43] <frankban> cory_fu: thanks!
[14:43] <cory_fu> np
[14:57] <mbruzek> jose: Can you help me with an on-air charmers meeting?
[14:57] <mbruzek> jcastro: ping!
[14:57] <mbruzek> jcastro ^^
[15:00] <jcastro> mbruzek: yo
[15:01] <mbruzek> jcastro: I need an on-air meeting
[15:02] <jcastro> anyone can make one
[15:02] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts
[15:02] <jcastro> there's a "str a hangout on air" button
[15:02] <jcastro> mbruzek: is this a one off or a regular meeting?
[15:05] <mbruzek> jcastro: we got it sorted.
[15:06] <mbruzek> jcastro marcoceppi set up the meeting
[15:06]  * jcastro nods
[15:17] <marcoceppi> https://github.com/juju-solutions/review-queue
[15:17] <mbruzek> The Review Queue repository, let us know if you have issues
[15:17] <mbruzek> ^^
[15:30] <ezobn> Hi all, do the last kilo OpenStack charms support the gre for dvr mode ? I use 1.24 juju-core with the latest available charms...
[15:37] <marcoceppi> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/15/using-the-services-framework-to-implement-your-charms-intent/
[16:06] <jamespage> lukasa, bird update for 14.04 just got released - is that good enough to avoid using the PPA?
[16:06] <lukasa> jamespage: *Possibly*, I promise nothing. ;)
[16:07] <lukasa> I'll check tomorrow
[16:08] <cholcombe> can i disable the sudo apt-get update everytime i run amulet?
[16:08] <cholcombe> or bundletester i mean
[16:16] <cholcombe> lazyPower: is there a limit on how long bundletester tests can take overall?  I have 9 tests i think at this point
[17:28] <lazyPower> cholcombe: afaik just the standup side of the test.
[17:29] <cholcombe> ok
[17:29] <lazyPower> i think the tests themselves can be executed for any indeterminant amount of time
[17:29] <lazyPower> if that's not the case, we should probably get a bug filed against bundletester to make that tuneable
[17:41] <lazyPower> thumper: https://github.com/chuckbutler/DNS-Charm/releases/tag/v0.2.3
[17:43] <ezobn> does anybody know dhcp_agents in Kilo release of charms still installed by quantum ? or can like dvr installed by neutron-api/neutron-openvswitch charms ?
[17:44] <lazyPower> ezobn: i'm not sure what you're asking - can you clarify?
[17:47] <ezobn> lazyPower, I am trying to install Kilo Openstack using dvr option. So wondering do I still need the quantum charm ?
[17:47] <lazyPower> ah, i'm not goign to be much help i'm sorry. I would suggest you ping the mailing list with that question. Our OpenStack charming team is primarily UK based - and active on the ML as it helps them respond during their TZ operating hours.
[17:52] <ezobn> lazyPower, NP, just continue experimenting ;-) it is the only way to make sure ... :-)
[19:27] <bdx> hello, how is everyone??
[19:29] <bdx> I am trying to "juju deploy <charm> --to lxc:<machine id>" and am having no luck with my containers getting ip addresses allocated to my deployed containers
[19:29] <bdx> see here: https://github.com/Ubuntu-Solutions-Engineering/openstack-installer/issues/627
[19:30] <bdx> I am using non-maas dhcp/dns
[19:30] <bdx> everything works minus deploys to containers
[19:31] <bdx> could someone share some insight as to what extra steps may need be taken when deploying to containers using non-maas dhcp/dns???
[19:32] <bdx> anything would be useful
[19:32] <bdx> thanks
[19:34] <bdx> charmers, openstack-charmers: https://github.com/Ubuntu-Solutions-Engineering/openstack-installer/issues/627
[19:55] <bdx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1466629
[19:55] <mup> Bug #1466629: Containers fail to get ip when non-maas dhcp/dns is used <dhcp> <dns> <lxc> <maas> <openstack-installer> <openstack-provider> <ubuntu-engineering> <ubuntu-openstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466629>
[19:57] <mbruzek> jcastro: Juju Office Hours are where.
[19:57] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdV8bIUC8y55qgI8K7oE749yUCVWW5CqvYM5fe32jcnc9G6qg?authuser=2&hl=en
[19:57] <jcastro> in here folks!
[19:58] <jcastro> marcoceppi: mbruzek ^^^
[19:58] <jcastro> lazyPower: ^
[20:02] <marcoceppi> thumper: https://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/logo-ubuntu_cof-orange-hex.png
[20:05] <jcastro> if anyone has any questions for the team, we're streaming on http://ubuntuonair.com
[20:52] <jcastro> https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/reference-release-notes


[17:21] <coz_> on top of which that image is far too busy for desktop wallpaper
[17:21] <coz_> who here is actually on the design team????
[17:22] <coz_> just saw this referred to on the mailing list,, and geez,, guys,,, as much as I said I wasnt going to get involved,, "Come on!"
[17:36] <coz_> just saw this referred to on the mailing list,, and geez,, guys,,, as much as I said I wasnt going to get involved,, "Come on!"
[17:36] <coz_>  are they serious??   http://i.imgur.com/8v7rv.jpg
[17:36] <coz_> who here is actually on the design team????
[17:42] <coz_> I was under the impression that ,, since it been long standing,,, no logos no animals  ,,,yes?
[17:42] <coz_> ah nevermind  I dont care
[17:43] <thorwil> lol
[17:43] <thorwil> coz_: make up your mind :)
[17:43] <coz_> :)
[17:43] <coz_> thorwil,  i know :)  it just really irritated me when I saw that
[17:43] <thorwil> coz_: but who's the "they" you mention?
[17:44] <coz_> thorwil,   the desing team specifically,.,, I was under the impression that it would not be a good idea to have narwhols on the image,, or at least  emphasize that
[17:45] <coz_> rather a good original image ,, although I have seen a few with narwhols that looked interesting
[17:46] <coz_> anyway that image is far too busy for a desktop
[17:46] <thorwil> coz_: you should realize by now, that the list is left to whoever gets active there, with apparently nobody from the design team paying close attention. and well, they shouldn't have to
[17:47] <coz_> thorwil,  ok understood, but according to that mailing list omgubuntu is saying that image is one of t he defaults
[17:47] <coz_> I better check it out
[17:48] <coz_> oh geez it is one of the defaults :(
[17:50] <coz_> well ok I may be a bit taken back by this,, but if i didnt complain on occasion,, I could have a stoke or something lol
[18:03] <coz_> ok just checked out the natty wallpaper package,,  I see that this image fits in the overall... and it is not default.. but i would have liked to have seen more variations on narwhal images than just 2
[18:04] <coz_> there , I have gone through "shock"  "confusion"  "anger" and finally "acceptance"  lol
[18:05] <hyperair> that sounds like some weird fellow's model of acculturatoin
[18:05] <hyperair> acculturation*
[18:06] <coz_> hyperair,  having had to look that up :)  not quite :)
[18:06] <hyperair> eh?
[18:06] <coz_> hyperair,  well more like the stages of grief
[18:06] <coz_> minus bargaining since that is not possible here
[18:06] <hyperair> i remember having to learn that in this ridiculous elective i had, "coping with cultural transition"
[18:07] <coz_> hyperair,  ah ok
[18:07] <hyperair> well actually acculturation went something like this: first is euphoria, second is rejection/anger/confusion/shock, and then finally acceptance
[18:07] <coz_> hyperair,  so nearly the same as overcoming grief
[18:08] <hyperair> heh
[18:08] <hyperair> more like when you encounter a new culture, you first notice all the cool stuff, and that's euphoria
[18:08] <hyperair> then you notice all the negative stuff and you experience grief
[18:08] <hyperair> and then you finally learn to accept it
[18:09] <coz_> stages of grief,,, denial,,anger,,bargaining,, depression, acceptance
[18:09] <coz_> sounds too neatly packages to me :)
[18:09] <coz_> packaged
[18:10] <hyperair> apt-get remove denial anger bargaining depression && apt-get install acceptance
[18:10] <hyperair> ;-)
[18:10] <coz_> there we go :)
[18:10] <coz_> or  apt-get autoremove --purge acceptance  and get on with life
[18:10] <hyperair> or rather, apt-get install acceptance conflicts with denial anger bargaining and depression ;-)
[18:10] <hyperair> lol
[18:11] <coz_> hyperair,  sounds so ,, regimented,,,yes?  I cant truly accept that all people behave this way or go through the same stages
[18:11] <hyperair> heh
[18:11] <hyperair> well =p
[18:12] <coz_> although I did demonstrate similar behavior with that image,, sped up of course :)
[18:13] <coz_> ah but we are subject to the inevitable "acceptance' here,,  by the borg.. resistance is futile
[18:14]  * hyperair has never really enjoyed ubuntu's default themes
[18:14] <hyperair> elementary++
[18:14] <coz_> hyperair,  I agree,,well there were a few and did like some of the animal wallpapers
[18:14] <coz_> hyperair,  I really truly dont like elemetary other than the icons
[18:15] <coz_> if that was what you meant
[18:15] <hyperair> =\
[18:15] <hyperair> i like the theme
[18:16] <coz_> hyperair,  I know..many people do... I just step back and wonder why this "mac"  path that seems to be all over the place
[18:16] <hyperair> there are things in elementary that are different from mac that make it uniquely elementary imo
[18:17] <coz_> hyperair,  I know... but one of the people there once told me...after mentioning the mac clone appearance,, "apple did it right!  why bother to change it!"
[18:17] <coz_> hyperair,  that completely confused me
[18:17] <Islington> did we talk about the how once again the "communtiy" has led to a shit wallpaper on the cd?
[18:18]  * hyperair => reboot
[18:18] <coz_> Islington,  well not all of them are bad have you seen the package?
[18:18] <Islington> no we all know which one I am refering to
[18:18] <coz_> Islington,  oh that real busy one?
[18:18] <Islington> the one that looks like a 3yr old on acid, imagining 3 narwhals
[18:19] <coz_> :)  well someone created it and many will like it...
[18:20] <coz_> Islington,  also,, "community"  i generally define as  "user contributions"  I dont see this as a community feax pas
[18:20] <Islington> sigh next time I contribute to this, I will spend significantly less effort, if the barrier is that low
[18:20] <coz_> faux
[18:21] <coz_> Islington,  well not sure it can be  worked around... no one here,, as far as I know,, makes the decision about images or anything for that matter
[18:21] <Islington> which is dumb, as hell. We warned the team that shit like this would happen
[18:22] <coz_> what puzzles me,, is that the design team has not taken seriously that idea that ubuntu can be as uniquely designed as mac.. something specific to ubuntu ,, creative,, appealing,, real nice to work with
[18:23] <Islington> the bad illustration wallpaper taints that whole category; not to mention its creator gets to choose the next time, if the same rules still hold
[18:23] <coz_> Islington,  oh?
[18:23] <coz_> ah oh
[18:23] <coz_> I didnt know that
[18:23] <Islington> I beleive that is how it works with the photog walls
[18:23] <coz_> Islington,  that's an interesting revelation for me
[18:24] <coz_> Islington,  so what is the design teams participation in this then?
[18:24] <Islington> who knows, call me sour but I official have stopped caring
[18:24] <coz_> :)
[18:25] <coz_> Islington,  ah yes me too,, lets start a new group,, ubuntu-apathy  :)
[18:25] <Islington> :) now I have to package nathan for release on launch day
[18:28] <coz_> Islington,  which is "nathan"?
[18:30] <Islington> er this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/islington/5459034272/sizes/l/
[18:31] <coz_> Islington,  this is yours?
[18:32] <Islington> yes
[18:33] <coz_> Islington,  svg originally?
[18:34] <Islington> still is actually :) pushing pixels is for peasants
[18:34] <coz_> :)
[18:34] <coz_> damn fingers
[18:35] <Islington> lol
[18:35] <coz_> Islington,  I dont know...pixel pushing can result in quite nice "painterly" effects
[18:36] <Islington> yeah there are definite benefits, smooth gradients for one; still it feels so tedious after vector work.
[18:37] <coz_> Islington,  sometimes  it can be,,  here is an example of a digital piece I did  ,,all pixel pushing :)   http://www.flickr.com/photos/coz_/5540685576/lightbox/
[18:37] <Islington> coz_: Very Nice indeed
[18:38] <coz_> Islington,  to get the best "natural media"  look and feel... svg is not the way  at least I havent found a way in inkscape yet
[18:38] <coz_> I suppose its possible with multiple layers, gradients...etc   but  the file would be huge
[18:38] <Islington> afaik the pencil sketch is the only realistic media thing I know on inkscape
[18:39] <coz_> Islington, that may be correct,, I love svg  but  my background is in painting/sculpture so I tend towards painter effects ,, one day I will do it in inkscape :)
[18:40] <Islington> have you tried krita?
[18:41] <Islington> I am out of shape in actual sketching, but its much better than gimp at some things
[18:41] <coz_> damn fingers again
[18:41] <Islington> lol
[18:41] <coz_> Islington,  i have had it installed,, but didnt take enough time to learn it well
[18:42] <Islington> I had to learn it, only thing that I know that supports 32bit
[18:42] <coz_> ah ok
[18:42] <coz_> Islington,  I will reinstall it then,, and take more time with it.
[18:43] <Islington> if you are ubuntu it may be a bit heavy
[18:44] <Islington> qt and all that
[18:45] <Islington> http://krita.org/component/content/article/10-news/72-krita-in-march-2011
[18:45] <coz_> mm
[18:45] <coz_> Islington,  yes everytime i see screenshots of krita I install it and then forget to deal with it :)
[18:46] <Islington> lol
[18:46] <coz_> Islington,  and yes I am on ubuntu,  but I also have kde libraries installed on gnome... I do use a few kde things including a few games
[18:47] <thorwil> sadly i tend to experience performance and stability issues every time i look at krita
[18:47] <coz_> thorwil, oh?  mmm
[18:48] <coz_> I wonder if a development ppa would be any better?
[18:48] <thorwil> i tried both packaged and build from source at some point
[18:49] <coz_> thorwil,  oh that's dissapointing
[18:49] <Islington> I have better luck on build
[18:49] <coz_> mm  ok let me search for krita source
[18:49] <Islington> but occasionally it will do ridiculous things
[18:49] <thorwil> so if i want a decent brush engine, i pick mypaint
[18:49] <coz_> is it currently being maintained?
[18:49] <coz_> thorwil,  absolutely mypaint
[18:49] <Islington> thirded
[18:49] <coz_> thorwil,  it is becoming  very robust
[18:50] <thorwil> but it tends to not take that long before i miss selection tools or something else mypaint doesn't have
[18:50] <Islington> I find it easier just to do a rough sketch in there and import the png into inkscape
[18:51] <darkmatter> i use artrage more than mypain. prolly because my paint has a horrendous ui (even though the app itself rocks)
[18:51] <coz_>  darkmatter  for sure and I know they realize this
[18:51] <coz_> darkmatter,  the brush menuing system is  way bad
[18:52] <darkmatter> yes
[18:52] <coz_> darkmatter,   I know they are aware of this... it s hould be in a nice catagorized menu at least
[18:52] <coz_> similar to Corel Painter's
[18:52] <coz_> darkmatter,  looking up artrage
[18:53] <Islington> I used to use a pirated copy of alias sketchbook over wine. it worked really well, and that interface was amazing
[18:54] <coz_> Islington,  I have an older copy of that one... if you mean the semi round brush menu?
[18:54] <darkmatter> coz_: ut runs awesome in wine. has a free and nonfree version, and a 'palette' ui (tablet compatible basically). the main reason I use it is because it has a "workbench" feel
[18:54] <coz_> cool looking it up now
[18:54] <Islington> yeah in the corner coz_ and you just have to use swipe with pen to pick something
[18:55] <darkmatter> Islington: I'd use all alias (well, now autodesk) products if I could afford the licensing... sketchbook, designer, maya.. nom nom
[18:55] <coz_> Islington,  yeah it was something new at least... my favorite natural media application used to be corel Painter,, until mypaint reached it level of maturity  althogh painter is about t he best around
[18:57] <coz_> of course sketchbook pro is now owned by autodesk so that will NEVER have a linux port
[18:57] <Islington> lol
[19:10] <coz_> again with the fingers
[19:11] <coz_> darkmatter,  i assume you already have seen autodesk pricing?
[19:13] <darkmatter> coz_: that's a silly question. I wouldn't have mentioned  the 'can't afford' bit if I hadn't :P
[19:13] <coz_> lol
[19:14] <coz_> darkmatter,  I have not seen that kind of outrageous pricing for any application
[19:14] <darkmatter> indeed
[19:14] <coz_> I have the autodesk suite here,, give to me by my nephew   total cost  $75,000
[19:15] <coz_> I could live comfortably in europe for several years on that
[19:17] <coz_> althoug its an older version  I dont use it or like it and the fact that it comes on several "cd's"  not dvd's  angers me for that price
[19:18] <coz_> let me check current prices
[19:19] <coz_> oh!  they sort of dropped the price on autocad  to just under $5,000 ,, wow
[19:19] <coz_> :)
[19:22] <darkmatter> haha
[20:14] <genii-around> Hello. Is there yet a Narwhal logo which will be for 11.04? I would light to put the image on CD's as we burn them for an upcoming release party


[10:40] <SilverSpace> dam
[12:15] -ChanServ:#ubuntu-hr- uBOTu-fr unquieted $~a
[12:52] <Guest97489> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[12:52] <Guest97489> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[12:52] <Guest97489> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[12:52] <Guest97489> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[12:52] <Guest97489> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[12:52] <Guest97489> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[13:02] <SilverSpace> Ljuti pekmez kuham
[13:04] <SilverSpace> uh opako ljuto bude
[13:05] <obrut> pekmez od ljutih papricica ? :)
[13:39] <__idiot__> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[13:39] <__idiot__> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[13:39] <__idiot__> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[13:39] <__idiot__> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[13:39] <__idiot__> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[13:39] <__idiot__> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[13:46] <SilverSpace> obrut: da
[13:47] <d9b4bef922> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[13:47] <d9b4bef922> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[13:47] <d9b4bef922> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[13:47] <d9b4bef922> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[13:47] <d9b4bef922> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[13:47] <d9b4bef922> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[13:47] <SilverSpace> kaj je ovo
[14:07] <sillyslux_> uBOTu-fr unquieted $~a
[14:07] <sillyslux_> jelly je to stavio na trjedan dana
[14:12] <sillyslux_> https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R2P7UojcJGg/W260YZv7i1I/AAAAAAAAOFg/mB5MhHzefOA_5iqSnMtc-RGYXD6GpZaCwCLcBGAs/s1600/3.jpg
[14:12] <sillyslux_> com port my ass...
[14:15] <obrut> meni to vise lici na vga nego na tipicni dsub9 com port :)
[14:16] <sillyslux_> https://dlcdnimgs.asus.com/websites/global/products/qD8uEZbccdJOBeMb/img/main/pic_overview.jpg
[15:49] <breitenj3> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[15:49] <breitenj3> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[15:57] <Fieldy17> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[15:57] <Fieldy17> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[15:57] <Fieldy17> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[15:57] <Fieldy17> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[15:57] <Fieldy17> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[15:57] <Fieldy17> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[16:19] <SilverSpace> kaj je ovo sa spamom
[16:20] <Guest52577> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[16:20] <Guest52577> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[16:20] <Guest52577> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[16:20] <Guest52577> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[16:20] <Guest52577> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[16:20] <Guest52577> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[16:21] <sillyslux_> di je jelly?
[16:21] <sillyslux_> ivoks?
[16:42] <vicenteH6> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
[16:42] <vicenteH6> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
[16:42] <vicenteH6> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
[16:42] <vicenteH6> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
[16:42] <vicenteH6> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
[16:42] <vicenteH6> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/


[00:13] <scott-upstairs> doctormo, ping
[03:19] <nigelb> mhall119: I didn't do a thing :P
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:27] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:27] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:56] <kim0> dholbach: dpm morning
[07:56] <dholbach> hi kim0
[07:56] <dpm> heya kim0 ;)
[07:56] <kim0> hey :)
[08:11] <nigelb> dholbach: I'm still suspicious. something is eating into LD again. And if the machines are seprate I don't know what :|
[08:11] <dholbach> oh are they?
[08:12] <dholbach> harvest on cranberry and summit/LD on guanabana?
[08:12] <nigelb> yeah, I believe so
[08:12] <nigelb> is there a way to verify that?
[08:13] <nigelb> (I was told they moved machines)
[08:13] <dholbach> no, harvest is on guanabana too
[08:13] <dholbach> ah, it's the other way around
[08:13] <nigelb> yeah
[08:13] <dholbach> they are separate
[08:13] <dholbach> ha!
[08:14] <dholbach> it wasn't my fault!
[08:14] <dholbach> I always knew it!
[08:14]  * nigelb hugs dholbach
[08:14] <nigelb> hehe
[08:14] <dholbach> ok, deal with it yourself! bye :)
[08:14] <nigelb> haha
[08:14] <nigelb> but we improved harvest performance!
[08:14] <dholbach> still it was useful fixes and a good learning experience
[08:15] <nigelb> yeah, but this means we're back to square one.
[08:15] <nigelb> Something is eating memory and we don't know what.
[11:21] <duanedesign> nigelb: was just reading about your latest Launchpad bug fix. Great work!
[11:37] <nigelb> duanedesign: Thanks! :)
[11:56] <scott-work> doctormo: ping
[12:29] <paultag> http://i.imgur.com/7kDXs.jpg
[12:30] <nigelb> haha
[12:36]  * popey wonders if he should know why thats funny
[12:37] <paultag> popey: the east cost had a small earthquake, and everyone's panicing
[12:37] <paultag> popey: but the worst that happened was a few things got knocked over
[12:38] <popey> ah, gotcha
[13:24] <nigelb> mhall119: I'm sad. harvest and LD are on two different machines. We still have OOM.
[13:25] <mhall119> nigelb: I didn't see any new ones today, did you?
[13:25] <nigelb> mhall119: Not today, but its happening every so often. This worries me.
[13:25] <mhall119> Ng was looking into some memory settings yesterday
[13:26] <nigelb> Ah.
[13:32]  * nigelb hugs dholbach
[13:32] <nigelb> We did make harvest more efficient!
[14:31] <AlanBell> is there a unity lense that shows me the applications I have installed on my computer grouped by their gnome menu category?
[14:34] <mhall119> AlanBell: the application lense doesn't do that?
[14:34] <AlanBell> not as far as I can tell
[14:35] <AlanBell> in Oneiric the section dropdown has gone
[14:35] <AlanBell> just gives me a big list of everything with no categorisation, and I don't even trust that it is showing me everything
[14:36] <AlanBell> half the time it shows me stuff I don't have from software centre
[14:37] <AlanBell> I would actually like unity if the dash was replaced with a lense equivalent of the gnome menu
[14:39] <AlanBell> I was going to dive into the API and code up a lense I can use, but it seem so fundamental that someone should have already done it, or I am using it wrong
[14:44] <dholbach> jcastro, dpm, kim0: is Jono around today?
[14:44] <dpm> dholbach, I don't know, I didn't know he was going to be away
[14:44] <dholbach> I have no idea either - I just ask because of the team call :)
[14:47] <dpm> we haven't had many people signing up for appdeveloperweek sessions yet. If you know anyone who'd be up for a session or if you'd like to run a session, I'd appreciate any help
[14:47] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable
[14:47] <dpm> thanks!
[14:50] <dholbach> dpm, maybe also do a "demo your project" lightning talk round?
[14:51] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, I was kind of reserving that for the last day, nigelb is the lightning talks king
[14:52] <dholbach> :-))
[14:52] <nigelb> heh
[14:52] <nigelb> I had big trouble getting people last time.
[14:52] <nigelb> need to try harder this time
[14:59] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:01] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, kim0, jcastro, dpm starting the hangout now
[15:01] <dholbach> great
[15:04] <jono> kim0, all set?
[15:04] <kim0> yeah .. second
[15:04] <jono> NOW!!!!!
[15:04] <jono> lol
[15:04] <kim0> :)
[15:06] <kim0> seems to be taking some time!
[15:08] <jono> kim0, what's taking so long?
[15:08] <jono> we need to get started
[15:09] <kim0> the page is just not loading right
[15:10] <jono> kim0, restart your browser and if it doesnt work work after that lets do skype
[15:10] <kim0> changing computer
[15:10]  * kim0 grabs a nearby mac
[15:29] <jono> dpm we lost you
[15:30] <jono> dpm_, we lost you
[15:30] <dpm_> jono, restarting laptop...
[15:31] <dpm_> it just froze
[15:31] <kim0> The Oneiric wonders
[16:10] <nigelb> AlanBell: ping
[16:14] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day now - see you all tomorrow!
[16:14] <dpm> enjoy the evening dholbach!
[16:14] <dholbach> you too
[16:14] <nigelb> dholbach: g'nite
[16:24] <jcastro> hi
[16:29] <AlanBell> o/ nigelb
[16:29] <nigelb> AlanBell: do you know who's behind the moinmoin openid plugin?
[16:29] <nigelb> mtaylor was looking to use it.
[16:29] <nigelb> (for openstack)
[16:29] <AlanBell> not sure, sorry
[16:29] <AlanBell> savs maybe
[16:30] <AlanBell> and not sure it is a real openid plugin or a canonical single sign on plugin
[17:04] <nigelb> jcastro: hi
[17:05] <nigelb> jcastro: (I guess you're away, see PM)
[20:58] <jono> czajkowski, mhall119, cjohnston, nigelb all set?
[20:59] <mhall119> oh right, call
[20:59] <mhall119> one second
[20:59] <cjohnston> jono: I'm not able to make the meeting. I have to leave in a coupe minutes. The only thing I have to say is that I'm waiting on my MP to be reviewed for the blogroll thing and that I need a list of blogs that are to be included
[21:00] <jono> we can always cancel and reschedule
[21:00] <jono> lets do that
[21:01] <mhall119> jono: I've been slacking on cjohnston's MPs, I'm also waiting on IS to get me a database dump of loco-directorys data so I can test a script to recover our lost records
[21:01] <mhall119> jono: also, nigelb needs a list of UDS track leads for summit if you can gather them
[21:01] <jono> mhall119, is that something you can focus on this week?
[21:02] <mhall119> the MPs or the data recovery?
[21:02] <jono> do you think we could get the blogging functionality in place for the UGJ?
[21:02] <jono> the former
[21:02] <mhall119> I can try
[21:02] <mhall119> I was going to setup a canonistack instance for LD this Friday if I have the spare time
[21:02] <jono> kim0, around?
[21:02] <kim0> jono: yeah
[21:03] <jono> cool, I am just concious that we are getting close to the bone
[21:03] <jono> kim0, could you ping robbie, he needs something c.u.c related
[21:03] <kim0> ok
[21:04] <mhall119> jono: now that summit's issues have been squared away I can focus on LD
[21:04] <jono> thanks mhall119
[21:04] <mhall119> np
[21:04] <jono> I will ping nigelb and see what he needs
[21:05] <mhall119> he's gone to bed
[21:05] <jono> np
[21:12] <jcastro> hi!
[21:13] <AlanBell> hi jcastro


[06:26] <hellblade> hya peeps. do you know how i can change my user name(@auth) in eclipse? it currently uses my linux username but i want to replace it with my full name
[11:01] <LV-426> why can't i cast from TreeMap <K,B> to TreeMap <K,A> if B extends A ?
[11:37] <hellblade> LV-426: try #java


[08:59] <rbasak> vpa1977 and tsimonq2: debian/changelog extra line comes from dpkg-mergechangelogs AIUI.
[16:41] <tsimonq2> rbasak: Thanks for the context! Do you happen to know why?
[16:42] <tsimonq2> @pilot in
[16:42] <tsimonq2> Holy sponsorship queue, Batman.
[16:43] <tsimonq2> Starting with bug 2044383.
[16:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2044383 in khmer (Ubuntu) "khmer 3.0.0 FTBFS against Python 3.12" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2044383
[16:46] <tsimonq2> ogayot: I think it's about time you apply for upload rights. I haven't noticed anything wrong with your last couple of uploads, and you have quite a few sponsored already. :P
[16:46] <tsimonq2> ogayot: When you *do* apply for upload rights, let me know, it's an easy ask to endorse you.
[16:47] <tsimonq2> ogayot: Anyway, khmer is done for you. :)
[16:52] <tsimonq2> ogayot: Looks like you should enable noble-proposed in your PPA; your upload FTBFS. I'll swoop in and take a look.
[16:58] <tsimonq2> ogayot: https://docs.python.org/3/library/configparser.html#configparser.ConfigParser.read_file "New in version 3.2: Replaces readfp()." - fixed, confirming, uploading ;)
[17:28] <tsimonq2> Did a fair amount of other uploads/reviews, I'm seeing the majority of the others are either claimed, security, or kernel.
[17:29] <tsimonq2> Would be nice to know who to ping for kernel stuff/if they regularly patch pilot. :)
[17:29] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: show-in-file-manager> Synced for you.
[17:30] <tsimonq2> @pilot out
[17:30] <tsimonq2> Someone may want to follow up on bug 2035561 on the next shift. Thanks.
[17:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2035561 in OEM Priority Project "[SRU]crash when installing tp-smapi" [Critical, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2035561
[17:31] <tsimonq2> khmer> collected 1474 items / 1 error / 47 deselected / 1427 selected
[17:31] <tsimonq2> Nice, progress at least.
[18:54] <ricotz> mapreri, hello :), please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/2042811
[18:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2042811 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Jammy) "[BPO] libreoffice 7.5.8 for jammy" [Medium, In Progress]
[20:20] <ogayot> tsimonq2: very appreciated! I'm thinking about applying very soon. I'll definitely let you know!
[20:21] <ogayot> tsimonq2: ah yes, my bad. My PPA was set with default in PPA dependencies :/
[20:22] <tsimonq2> ogayot: For sure ;)
[20:22] <tsimonq2> ogayot: No worries, I uploaded an ubuntu2 which also fails, the ubuntu3 in my PPA is hanging. Needs some more research.
[20:35] <ogayot> tsimonq2: looking!
[20:35] <ogayot> tsimonq2: it's always a pain to get rid of "import imp" :)
[21:25] <tsimonq2> TIL :)