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 Ubuntu wallpaper
 OOO
 Where is the logo lol.
 willcooke has promised to post it


[08:24] <danilos> gmb, hey, good morning :) are you perhaps an OCR today? because if you are, I need one :P
[08:41] <gmb> danilos: Morning. I am indeed OCR today. Send me a link and I'll take a look when I've woken up a bit.
[08:42] <danilos> gmb, https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-772754-other-subscribers-activity/+merge/64180 (and thanks, I have at least another one for you if you feel like getting some more later :)
[08:43] <gmb> Righto. I'm sure I'll be up for taking a look at that too. First, coffee.
[08:43] <danilos> gmb, enjoy it
[08:43] <gmb> :)
[12:01]  * danilos steps out for some food
[13:25] <gmb> benji, bac, danilos: Call in 5
[13:25] <danilos> ack-quack
[13:27] <bac> oink
[13:31] <bac> it's going to be a 3 way tie?
[13:35] <bac> so do you hear me ok via these skype calls?  i had someone complain last week that they couldn't understand me using the same headset.
[13:36] <benji> bac: you sound fine
[13:36] <bac> thanks benji.
[14:38] <bac> gah, skype call spam!  how annoying.
[16:42]  * benji reboots one more time in the hopes that disabling the compiz regex plugin will solve his stability problem.
[21:35] <bac> hi benji -- fancy a quick little review?
[21:35] <benji> bac: sure
[21:35] <bac> https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/bug-519857/+merge/64606
[21:35] <bac> thanks!
[21:36] <bac> easy branch, once i found all of the little soyuz-y bits
[21:36] <benji> now that I think I've fixed my window manager crashing I can take on anything
[21:36] <bac> \O/
[21:36] <bac> are you still on unity or was that the problem?
[21:37] <benji> yeah, back to unity, it appears the problem was with the regex compiz plugin
[21:37] <bac> natty on my macbook has loads of issues, like the trackpad freezing.
[21:38] <benji> apport helped me figure it out; apport is underrated (or was by me at least)
[21:39] <benji> heh, your typo fix and recalling the to-lint-or-not-to-lint discussion on the mailing list makes me want a linter that can (but maybe doesn't by default) list spelling errors in comments and strings
[21:42] <benji> bac: I see dead people... er, no, I see a conflict
[21:42] <bac> oh, ok
[21:42] <bac> benji: sorry, i am physically unable to not correct typos
[21:42] <benji> or maybe I see conflict markers that snuck in
[21:42] <benji> heh :
[21:42] <benji> )
[21:43] <benji> np, I have a similar affliction
[21:45] <bac> benji: pushing unconflicted chage
[21:45] <bac> change
[21:45] <bac> see
[21:45] <benji> heh
[21:46] <bac> when i do find a typo now in the code base i do a full grep to see if it is similarly misspelled elsewhere
[21:47] <bac> people are consistently wrong with misspellings
[21:53] <benji> bac: the branch looks great
[21:54] <bac> thanks


[23:09] <jxself> Any idea why this change in the 3.9.8 mainline build? http://home.romanrm.net/pics/2013/2013-06-30T165006Z-ll398.png
[23:09] <jxself> PARAVIRT_GUEST is only the root option
[23:09] <jxself> Turning it off also disabled lots of dependant features all over the .config
[23:09] <jxself> Caused some downtime on a number of Xen VPSes


 https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kubuntu-focal.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
[18:38] <valorie> wow, he struggled to find anything to throw shade about


[21:34] <sem> i am trying to find out why i have no splash screen. In syslog, I see "systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Show Plymouth Boot Screen being skipped."
[21:35] <sem> is there a way to get more information about what is happening here?
[21:36] <sem> I tried adding a FRAMEBUFFER=y to a new file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash and did update-initramfs -u. Could that affect plymouth?
[21:41] <sem> this is lubuntu 20.04 btw
[22:29] <guiverc> y
[22:30] <guiverc> oops sorry, intended for my `apt full-upgrade` window...
[22:30] <arraybolt3[m]> lol I've done that
[22:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Only I usually do ls on accident.
[23:21] <bioterror> sem, quite often framebuffer might affect things like that. I assume it worked before that?


[00:53] <Shakalakaboom> hey
[02:54] <orangepeelbeef> My menus keep disappearing and reappearing when I push a button and some of the movie icons in mythvideo have no names on them..
[02:54] <orangepeelbeef> when i do mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=OpenGL
[02:54] <orangepeelbeef>   it works fine
[02:55] <orangepeelbeef> but ONLY when I do that, I've set the painter in the gui and it still breaks, I have to run from commandline every time
[03:02] <orangepeelbeef> ok i fixed the icons problem, it was the imdb updater script, but i've been in here for 3 days looking to fix the ThemePainter issue :(
[03:20] <slestak> im having real troubles getting .21 mythvideo to see my nas server
[03:21] <slestak> im using autofs and i can ls the dir fine.  ive tried numerous things, simling not in /var/lib/mythtv/video, subdirs in same video dir, colon sep mutliple dirs
[03:21] <slestak> when I use colon sep multiple dirs, I get Unknown Prefix error
[03:22] <slestak> this is on gutsy
[03:31] <orangepeelbeef> does your mythtv user have access to the files?
[04:05] <Tuv0k> mythtv-status is not updating
[04:05] <Tuv0k> I have to keep restarting the server
[04:20] <SoulBlade> i had installed 7.10 and needed to modify my grub boot params to make my usb tuner work - i had some irq issues going on.  I recently installed a bunch of software updates (about 60) and now my tuner no longer works... /dev/video0 no longer exists - i had a hauppage wintv pvr-usb2 tuner working before
[04:21] <SoulBlade> ooh i may have just gotten something to work
[04:22] <SoulBlade> always happens when i ask..
[04:25] <SoulBlade> fail!
[04:25] <SoulBlade> heh
[14:21] <EvilGuru> my /boot is only 64MB, how can I remove all old kernels. If I recall there was a neat way to do it
[14:23] <directhex|work> dpkg -l linux-image-2\* | grep ^ii | cut -f3 -d' ' | grep -v $(uname -r) | xargs echo
[14:24] <directhex|work> remove those packages
[14:24] <EvilGuru> I'll make sure I check the new kernel out first; just in case (once or twice I have found the newest kernel doesn't work)
[14:45] <EvilGuru> I have just installed my nova-t 500 into my system and when I ls /dev I see video24 and video32 (which are new), however I am not sure what do to now
[14:47] <EvilGuru> Or maybe not. 24 and 32 are part of my PVR-150. dmesg shows: [   52.311677] dvb-usb: found a 'Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T' in cold state, will try to load a firmware
[14:47] <directhex|work> EvilGuru, you're supposed to stop being silly. digital devices don't use video*
[14:47] <directhex|work> they use dvb/adapter*
[14:47] <EvilGuru> So I have just learnt (the hard ware)
[14:48] <EvilGuru> *way
[14:50] <Aquahallic> Mornin' folks
[14:51] <Aquahallic> anyone messing with the flash streaming?
[14:51] <rhpot1991_laptop> Aquahallic: yep, no sound?
[14:52] <Aquahallic> no I have the ffmpeg
[14:52] <Aquahallic> it seems it will only do it with recorded programs
[14:52] <rhpot1991_laptop> yep
[14:52] <Aquahallic> can I stream my videos also??
[14:52] <rhpot1991_laptop> you can't stream videos
[14:52] <Aquahallic> what's the limitation??
[14:53] <rhpot1991_laptop> I'm not really sure
[14:54] <Aquahallic> I wonder if I put a ln -s from my recordings dir to my video dir if it'll pick them up...:P
[14:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> doubtful, they wont be in the DB then
[14:54] <Aquahallic> ahhh
[14:54] <Aquahallic> true
[14:54] <rhpot1991_laptop> check the mailing list, might be able to get some insight from there
[14:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> my guess would be that the flash stuff is still in a testing period and it never made it that far to get to the videos
[14:55] <rhpot1991_laptop> hence the nice warning message when you enable it
[14:55] <Aquahallic> yeah
[14:55] <surlyjake> aquahalic: i was asking about streaming my VIDEOS, they told me that the limitation was the encoding used in the recording... and the fact that they are not in the DB
[14:56] <Aquahallic> ahhh
[14:56] <rhpot1991_laptop> makes sense
[14:56] <Aquahallic> yeah
[14:56] <rhpot1991_laptop> in theory you could get your videos in a proper encoding, but you would need to make your own videos streaming page to pick them up and show the flash
[14:56] <Aquahallic> cause.. some of my videos are AVI and some are DVD's
[14:57] <rhpot1991_laptop> most of my videos are in iso, so I would venture it would not like them at all
[14:57] <surlyjake> aquahallic: there is a way to run a "repair" or "repopulate" or something similar, and that will put the video back into the "recordings"
[14:57] <Aquahallic> would if you mount them...:)
[14:57] <Aquahallic> but then it would depend what's inside the iso
[14:58] <surlyjake> what i have resorted to doing, is run vlc web interface as a daemon on my machine. then i can remotely control a stream of ANY video.
[14:58] <Aquahallic> whatcha' mean?
[14:59] <surlyjake> run this: sudo vlc --daemon -I http --http-host :8080
[14:59] <surlyjake> sorry... no sudo
[15:01] <Aquahallic> on the backend?
[15:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> surlyjake: there is a script you can use to import videos as recordings
[15:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> let me find it
[15:04] <Aquahallic> rhpot1991_laptop: does it actually duplicate the files themselves or just put an entry in the DB under the recordings for it??
[15:06] <rhpot1991_laptop> well you run it on a file, so I guess it can be wherever you want it (not certain though)
[15:11] <surlyjake> for the the vlc method: you run that on the backend. it starts a web interface that controls a stream. i use the "VLM"  interface to create a "broadcast" stream
[15:12] <rhpot1991_laptop> surlyjake: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth.rebuilddatabase.pl
[15:17] <surlyjake> rhpot: wouldn't that require me to manually input all of the information for the recording?
[15:17] <surlyjake> i.e.: type title, description....etc?
[15:20] <Aquahallic> surlyjake: does that vlc streamer let you go and select the video to stream.. then you have to to into player and connect to that stream??
[15:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> surlyjake: pretty much
[15:24] <surlyjake> aquahallic: bingo. once you connect to the interface, on the bottom of the page, select "VLM interface". use "broadcast" instead of "Video on demand". then pick an input file. in output, select the http port to use. encoding, scale... and connect a client
[15:25] <surlyjake> rhpot: i'm just not sure i have time for that... we're talking about hundreds of TV episodes.
[15:25] <Aquahallic> k.. .looks like it only lets me browse to my home dir... did you just put a soft link in your home dir to your videos?
[15:26] <surlyjake> yep
[15:26] <Aquahallic> k
[15:27] <surlyjake> rhpot: i'm going to hold out for a neat solution for Myth.
[15:29] <rhpot1991_laptop> surlyjake: just go make a php page to grab from the recordings table and file them into the flash player
[15:29] <rhpot1991_laptop> as long as your files are in a good format is *should* work
[15:30] <surlyjake> rhpot: but they aren't in the recordings table to begin with... are you talking about the videos table? is there such a thing?
[15:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> yes there is
[15:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats where it stores all that info on your videos
[15:33] <surlyjake> where can i find the commands to "send them to the flash player"?
[15:33] <rhpot1991_laptop> go look at the php source, you will prob need to rip that out of the page that shows the recordings
[15:36] <surlyjake> see. now you got me curious. I'm a code moron. but i'm really good with "copy-paste-edit" projects...
[15:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> might be a bit harder than that
[15:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> search the mailing list and see if anyone has done it yet
[15:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> might be able to just find one someone did and download it
[15:37] <Aquahallic> yeah.. you'd have to find the query statement that's pulling the filename from the recordings table and change it to look at the videos table... right?
[15:39] <Aquahallic> actually it might not be that bad really
[15:40] <Aquahallic> depends on how modular the original code is...
[15:41] <Aquahallic> could possibly edit the original that looks at recordings and make it look at the videos table then save it out as a separate control then edit the mythweb template for the videos page
[15:42] <Aquahallic> might have to do a little more coding if you have iso files in your video dir to actually mount the iso... depends what vlc streamer wants to see.. it might just pick it up automagically and take off
[15:43] <surlyjake> vlc will stream iso's, i don't think the flash code in mythweb will.
[15:44] <Aquahallic> what's mythweb using to stream it??
[15:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> flash
[15:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> or you can have it pump the file out over http
[15:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> I could never get the ascx streams to work, it keeps asking for a password which none of mine use
[15:45] <rhpot1991_laptop> and oddly as words in there from my router
[17:48] <versus> hi I set up a remote control, which isnt supported by mythbuntu, so I choose "custom" what I dont know is what I need for "driver" "modul" "configuration" "device" how can I find out?
[17:50] <versus> I use the Infrared Devices panel at Mythbuntu Control Centre
[18:12] <versus> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6435/
[18:18] <versus> do I need to reinstall mythbuntu?
[18:18] <pdragon> not sure how to help here, but don't think you'll have to reload. just need to wait for someone that can help. can try asking on the forums too
[18:20]  * foxxbuntu thinks there is no help here...all the monsters have taken over...runs away
[18:21]  * versus would prefer to wait
[18:22] <foxxbuntu> versus, what type of ir receiver are you using (serial, usb, Plugged into a PVR Card?)
[18:22] <versus> serial
[18:23] <versus> connected to the com port
[18:23] <foxxbuntu> do you know the model/make of it?
[18:23] <versus> www.atric.de
[18:25] <foxxbuntu> the module you need is lirc_serial
[18:25] <versus> http://www.atric.de/IR-Einschalter/index.php  german, sry but thiss site should show you all the used components
[18:25] <versus> foxxbuntu apt-get lirc_serial ?
[18:26] <versus> ah ok
[18:26] <versus> sry
[18:26] <foxxbuntu> versus, no the module should already be installed with lirc
[18:27] <versus> I wrote it into the module section at Mythbuntu control centre
[18:28] <versus> should I write ttyS0 into the Device section?
[18:28] <foxxbuntu> versus, ok...isnt there a drop down list to select from however?
[18:28]  * foxxbuntu doesnt recall that section in MCC clearly
[18:29] <versus> for remotes and configuration only not for driver module and device
[18:29] <foxxbuntu> versus, alright then for device put /dev/ttyS0
[18:30] <versus> foxxbuntu, k what about driver?
[18:31] <foxxbuntu> hmm..not sure, but try lirc_dev
[18:33] <foxxbuntu> ?
[18:33] <foxxbuntu> sorry ^^ ignore that
[18:33] <versus> ok, now there is only one thing left: configuration points to the folder "remotes" I think I need to choose one, right?
[18:34] <foxxbuntu> config for what?
[18:34] <foxxbuntu> the remote?
[18:34] <versus> I think it is supposed to be for the remote
[18:34] <versus> the files are called like: lircd.conf.asus
[18:35] <foxxbuntu> /etc/lircd.conf <-- Should be default, or you can change it to this and then create your custom lircd.conf there
[18:35] <foxxbuntu> oops
[18:35] <versus> or:lircd.conf.digimatrix
[18:35] <foxxbuntu> thats /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[18:35] <foxxbuntu> versus, yea...name doesnt matter much
[18:36] <versus> I can change it later?
[18:37] <versus> Thanks for your help! One last question: what does "generate dynamic button mappings" mean?
[18:38] <foxxbuntu> versus, its my favorite script (because I helped write and maintain it!) it will read your lircd.conf and generate a lircrc from it for basic buttons (play pause ect)
[18:39] <foxxbuntu> versus, this reminds me a tooltip needs added there
[18:39] <versus> what is a lircrc?
[18:40] <foxxbuntu> the the conf file that lets your remtoe work with applications like MythTV it makes the ir code from the remote emulate a keyboard key press
[18:42] <versus> ah I see, I think I better activate this option :-)
[18:42] <foxxbuntu> :)
[18:44] <versus> how can I check if it works?
[18:44] <versus> how can I check whether it works?
[18:45] <foxxbuntu> you should have a lircrc file now for mythtv at ~/.lirc/mythtv
[18:45] <foxxbuntu> if you do, and the frontend is open, restart the frontend application (just exit it and reopen it, and the changes to the remote will take effect
[18:46] <versus> what is the full path to the lircrc file?
[18:47] <foxxbuntu> /home/<username>/.lirc/mythtv
[18:47] <versus> thx
[18:47] <foxxbuntu> ~ = /home/<username>
[18:48] <foxxbuntu> if you type it in it will work that way too
[18:50] <versus> mythtv seems to be a file not a folder
[18:51] <versus> but I found a lircrc file at /home/versus
[18:57] <versus> ok all my fault! I didnt get that mythtv was supposed to be a file . . .
[18:58] <versus> is it supposed to be empty despite of: LIRCRC Auto Generated by Mythbuntu Lirc Generator
[18:58] <versus> # Author(s): Mario Limonciello, Nick Fox
[18:58] <versus> # Created for use with Mythbuntu
[19:05] <foxxbuntu> versus, do you have your lircd.conf in place?
[19:07] <versus> at lirc.conf is at lirc/lircd.conf
[19:08] <foxxbuntu> what?
[19:08] <versus> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root      15 2008-04-01 16:34 lircd.conf -> lirc/lircd.conf
[19:08] <foxxbuntu> do you have this file /etc/lirc/lircd.conf?
[19:09] <versus> ja
[19:09] <versus> zes
[19:09] <versus> yes
[19:09] <foxxbuntu> did you create it or is it one from a lirc supported remote?
[19:10] <foxxbuntu> i.e from the drop down for remotes in mcc
[19:12] <versus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62055/
[19:13] <versus> does this help?
[19:17] <foxxbuntu> versus, yeah...looks like you don't have your lircd.conf in properly
[19:18] <versus> mhm
[19:18] <foxxbuntu> ...and I also think there might be a bug with MCC your running up against, but I can't confirm until later tonight
[19:19] <versus> what should I do until then?
[19:25] <foxxbuntu> versus, If you have a lircd.conf that you are sure is good, you can run mytbuntu-lircrc-generator against it (check the help on it) and it should generate the proper file for you
[19:26] <foxxbuntu> should be something like mythbuntu-lircrc-generator --lircd=/path/to/lircd.conf
[19:35] <versus> I think its best to use irrecord lircd.conf as my remote isnt listed, what do you think?
[19:38] <foxxbuntu> versus, thats the way to do it
[19:38] <foxxbuntu> then run m-l-g agsint it
[19:38] <foxxbuntu> if you put it at /etc/lirc/lircd.conf you dont need to have the option
[19:39] <foxxbuntu> ie just run: mythbuntu-lircrc-generator
[19:40] <versus> Ill have a try ;-)
[19:41] <dergringo> hi there :)
[19:42] <versus> irrecord tells me lircd.conf does not have valid data, dont I use irrecord to get valid data into lircd.conf?
[19:42] <dergringo> What hardware (HTPC's) do you highly recommend?
[19:44] <directhex> mac mini!
[19:45] <foxxbuntu> versus, yeah...but its been awhile, I suggest googling for the docs on irrecord
[19:46] <versus> kk
[19:46] <foxxbuntu> dergringo, www.foxmediasystems.com <-- Should be open and selling HTPC's ready to use in a short while :)
[20:02] <versus> foxxbuntu my remote is a sru9600 which supports several other remotes, like microsoft remotes for PCs I have run MCC again with lirc_serial as module and the microsoft conf file how can I check now whether it works or it doesnt?
[20:05] <versus> foxxbuntu what driver did we use the last time? irssi just doesnt show the irc history :-(
[20:09] <pdragon> hit pageup to see history in irssi
[20:16] <versus> thx
[20:21] <frank_> foxxbuntu: I just checked out your site. I hope it will be a success.
[20:22] <foxxbuntu> frank_, thanks...things are gearing up...hope to have the store open soon, then start working on my home automation products
[20:27] <pdragon> nice fox
[20:27] <pdragon> let us know when things get going :)
[20:28] <foxxbuntu> pdragon, don't worry, my pimping of it will really get going after its online
[20:28] <pdragon> hehe
[20:32] <acemo> If i buy a Hauppauge PVR 350 in europe, will it work in usa too? and does this card allowes u to reccord one serie while watching a other serie at the same time?
[20:32] <foxxbuntu> acemo, Yes on both accounts
[20:33] <acemo> foxxbuntu: thanks, this is my first time getting a tv card, what are other things i should pay attention for on searching for a tv card that fits me?
[20:34] <foxxbuntu> you want hardware encoding and good linux support which that card has both
[20:34] <dergringo> foxxbuntu: thanks. But are there any other devices that have already been released that you recommend?
[20:35] <acemo> foxxbuntu: yeah.. thats 2 things i been looking for too :)
[20:35]  * acemo starts placing order
[20:36] <foxxbuntu> dergringo, there are a few around I don't have names off the top of my head...you will have to google for them...thing you will notice is I will be cheaper than most of them...as I have done my market research and have many processes in plcae to expedite things my cost is lower than most
[20:37] <foxxbuntu> I have seen them anywhere from $1400 - $20000
[20:37] <foxxbuntu> (and yes I mean $20000)
[20:37] <dergringo> foxxbuntu: well I don't see any products on your page?
[20:38] <foxxbuntu> dergringo, I haven't published them yet...still waiting on a couple of contracts to finalize then there will be
[20:38] <dergringo> foxxbuntu: how long will it take?
[20:38] <foxxbuntu> Im hoping End of April Early May
[20:39] <foxxbuntu> with as with everything else in life things can be delayed
[20:40] <dergringo> Ok. I will compare your stuff with other vendors as soon as you are ready.
[20:41] <versus> wohoo several buttons work by now!!!  what do I need to do when I want to add a new button (in this case I need a button for ESC)?
[20:42] <foxxbuntu> dergringo, np... tell you what if you email me other products you find, as im sure there are more out there I havennt run across yet...tell me what you like and dont about them its always helpful, my business model is going to be much different than many as well...going to be intresting (besides that I will also be writing comapirsons between other vendors products and mine)
[20:48] <dergringo> First of all I need a cheap NAS solution. Any recommendations?
[20:49] <foxxbuntu> dergringo, what type of NAS soultion do you want?
[20:50] <foxxbuntu> True NAS or consumer NAS?
[20:50] <pdragon> i've heard good things about ebox for making simple file storage servers. or do you mean hardware?
[20:51] <dergringo> Is just need the hardware. Then I will use freenas as OS. I need it as cheap as possible.
[20:55] <foxxbuntu> dergringo, I believe supermicro build a chasis for this and you can fill it full of drives to use freenas
[20:58] <versus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62063/  after rebooting it doesnt work anymore, maz someone help me please? this is what I get back
[20:59] <pdragon> nice stuff. any good vendors you can recommend that have good prices on their hardware?
[20:59] <pdragon> was looking to get one of those mobile racks for my home server
[22:04] <Nikas> I'm backing up / to my usb-drive. Can i safely exlude /proc and /sys?
[22:05] <directhex> Nikas, yes.
[22:05] <Nikas> great! :)
[22:05] <Nikas> just 3 GB backup then
[22:06] <Nikas> does proc and sys get created if i need to boot from the usb-disk?
[22:06] <Nikas> oh.. my english sucks today. sorry ;)
[22:10] <Nikas> ah. /proc = in the memory?
[22:11] <directhex> /proc is virtual
[22:11] <Nikas> ok.. and sys?
[22:11] <directhex> that too
[22:12] <directhex> you need the folders to exist though - so things can be mounted in them
[22:12] <directhex> i.e. empty folders
[22:12] <Nikas> yes. doing /proc/* in the exlude-list
[22:12] <Nikas> exclude
[22:12] <Nikas> not just /proc :)
[22:13] <Nikas> thanks!


[00:48] <nhandler> pbuilder is really acting up. I get to " -> debootstrap finished", but then it fails to resolve "archive.ubuntu.com". This causes the rest of 'pbuilder create' to fail
[00:48] <vorian> nhandler: try adding us.archive.ubuntu.com (or other mirror) to your pbuilderrc
[00:51] <nhandler> vorian: I'm trying that now. It needs to go through the whole debootstrap process again, so it might take a while
[00:51] <vorian> i have all night :)
[00:52] <vorian> plus, i have a little background on what you've experienced thus far
[01:03] <maxb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/118222/  <-- I use this wrapper script as a debootstrap replacement which bindmounts /var/cache/apt/archives into the bootstrap chroot, saving most/all of the download time
[01:09] <nhandler> Still fails with us.archive.ubuntu.com: http://paste.ubuntu.com/118224/
[01:33] <cody-somerville> okay....
[01:34] <cody-somerville> X just segfaulted on me along with a number of other processes.
[01:36] <maxb> Hmm.. I'm getting a rogue conffile prompt concerning /etc/belocs/iso-639.def on upgrade. Should I be filing a bug and if so, against what?
[01:37] <cody-somerville> Actually, it was an invalid next size
[01:45] <TheMuso> maxb: If this is jaunty, you may want to wait a bit as pitti has been moving some locale things around quite a lot in the last 12 hours or so, so it may not hurt to let things settle on the archive mirror you are using first.
[02:42] <DBO> i am becoming increasingly worried about intel drivers in jaunty.  Is ubuntu going to really push the new drivers which are measurably worse than those in intrepid?  It would really suck for application developers such as myself...
[05:03] <TheMuso> \/c
[05:03] <RAOF> \m/
[05:11] <jdong> TheMuso: you should get that head checked out....
[05:11] <jdong> I'm no medical expert but it looks a bit out of place
[05:15] <TheMuso> lol
[06:57]  * ScottK notes that power pc is totally caught up and building well, so if you've got something that failed on PPC, now would be a good time for retries.
[06:57] <ScottK> TheMuso: My ports rebuilding is going pretty smoothly.
[06:58] <ScottK> Only one ICE so far.
[06:58] <TheMuso> ScottK: Nice.
[06:58] <TheMuso> ScottK: Together we have managed to get powerpc down to 15 uninstallable packages at least.
[06:58] <ScottK> TheMuso: Yes.  It's in as good as ship as the supported archs.
[06:59] <ScottK> I did a decent sized stack of universe retries too.
[06:59] <TheMuso> Yeah. Just gotta wait till the locales stuff settles and things will be ok again.
[07:00] <ScottK> TheMuso: You wouldn't happen to be in the mood to look at an IA64 build failure, would you?
[07:01] <ScottK> So far I got one ICE and two portability issues.  The sparc issue I think I've got fixed and NCommander is going to test it for me on a sparc box.
[07:13] <ScottK> TheMuso: If you get interested it's http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22641086/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-ia64.kdebindings_4%3A4.2.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[07:13]  * ScottK is off to bed.  Good night.
[08:44] <TheMuso> ScottK: Wouldn;t know where to start fixing that FTBF sorry.
[11:03] <geser> slangasek: Hi, could you please give bug #323863 another try and move now also the other binary deb and the source to universe too? thanks.
[13:18] <pop79> hi
[13:38] <ScottK> TheMuso: Thanks for looking.
[13:50] <pop79> sorry, is this the developers section?
[13:50] <directhex> for people developing the core of the distro
[13:50] <pop79> oh
[13:51] <pop79> im developing a little tour that can be put on cd, so it can show what ubuntu can do, not to do with the live cd.
[13:52] <pop79> would that count?
[14:48] <BUGabundo> apw: I was running a suspend test
[14:49] <BUGabundo> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting
[14:49] <BUGabundo> nd laptop failed to resume once it started the automated part of tests
[14:49] <BUGabundo> pgraner: ping
[14:50] <BUGabundo> ^^^^^^^^
[14:51] <BUGabundo> what do you guys want me to do to collect data for bug?
[14:53] <BUGabundo> I read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResume
[14:53] <BUGabundo> but apport did not fire up, nor do I know the name of the log file
[15:09] <RainCT> kirkland: Hey. Another problem with screen-profiles.. Run screen in a terminal and scroll up with the mouse wheel ^^
[15:11] <vadi2> After today's dpkg upgrade, I am unable to install any packages with gdebi - it just freezes. Is this known or just me?
[15:26] <persia> vadi2, #ubuntu-bugs is generally a better place to ask if a bug has been reported, or to check in LP.
[15:27] <vadi2> okay
[15:53] <Laney> are removals from sid still automatically carried over to Jaunty, or is this part of autosync?
[16:09] <RainCT> Laney: I don't think they are
[16:09] <Laney> thought as much
[16:12] <RainCT> Laney: you can imagine the reasons, though? eg, Debian might do some transition involving package removals and if they were removed from Ubuntu too but we didn't do the transition stuff here would break, etc.
[16:12] <Laney> of course
[16:14]  * RainCT wonders if the authors of all the "make Ubuntu more popular" ideas on Brainstorm are even in a LoCo team
[16:14] <pochu> good question
[16:18] <directhex> RainCT, no.
[16:19] <directhex> RainCT, if they post ideas on the forum or brainstorm, then they don't even know proper channels exist
[16:19] <RainCT> lol
[16:20] <RainCT> (and then there are the "make brainstorm more popular" ideas -.-)
[16:22] <jpds> RainCT: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12452/
[16:23] <RainCT> OMG
[16:26] <pochu> hahaha
[16:26]  * RainCT ponders voting +1 ^^
[16:26] <pochu> you know, I'd go to the cinema to watch that one
[16:46] <kees> kirkland: hrm, you didn't commit your cryptsetup 2:1.0.6-7ubuntu3 changes to the bzr tree...
[16:49] <kees> kirkland: also, what happened to all the autoconf files??
[16:51] <kees> kirkland: please make sure you manually review your debdiff before uploading -- we need to avoid cruft.  :)
[18:50] <ZippyV> I'm new to debugging in Ubuntu
[18:50] <ZippyV> I have to debug some code of the hal
[18:51] <ZippyV> which ide do you guys recommend?
[19:01] <ScottK> TheMuso: I'm also seeing error like /usr/include/linux/byteorder.h:8:3: error: #error Fix asm/byteorder.h to define one endianness
[19:01] <ScottK>  ... on sparc.
[19:02] <ScottK> Google seems to indicate there are kernel patches for this, but I'm no expert.
[19:02] <ScottK> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22649785/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-sparc.kdemultimedia_4%3A4.2.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz for a full build log.
[19:31] <calc> anyone else notice the archive is really slow today?
[19:35] <ScottK> I saw several complaints about it yesterday.
[19:43] <calc> i'm downloading from it at about 4KB/s
[19:44]  * calc hopes he can get a new OOo upload done before alpha5 with how slow the archive is :\
[19:44] <calc> it claims it is going to take 28hr+ to download the packages i need
[19:46] <ScottK> calc: FYI, there's a boost1.35 portability problem on sparc that breaks OOo currently.  I've got a patch I'm waiting for NCommander to test on a sparc box he has access to.
[19:51] <calc> ScottK: ok
[19:52] <ScottK> Yeah, now that TheMuso got the ports kernels fixed I've been trying to get things built on the ports archs.
[19:52] <calc> oh ok
[19:53] <BUGabundo> TheMuso: ping
[19:53] <BUGabundo> I'm having trouble again with PA test2
[19:53]  * calc bbl
[19:54]  * RAOF hopes it's a bit early for TheMuso to be in here.
[19:54] <BUGabundo> most of the time I have to kill it and start again just to have PA audio
[19:54] <BUGabundo> and after hibernate/resume it faills 99% of the time
[19:54] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I hope he reads the backlog
[19:54] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:55] <IntuitiveNipple> Anyone know where the string "Comparing resolution (1280x800 1280x1024) to maximum 3D texture size" might be generated (during Xorg start-up) ? There's an error just after that looks like it is from a shell script
[19:58] <RAOF> IntuitiveNipple: That's the compiz wrapper script.
[19:58] <RAOF> You have two separate X screens?  Strange.
[19:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah it is - I just found it
[19:59] <IntuitiveNipple> Why strange?
[19:59] <IntuitiveNipple> It's repeated in 3 scripts it seems
[20:56] <IntuitiveNipple> bug #207770 has a debdiff ready
[21:01] <jeromeg> hello
[21:02] <jeromeg> is there anyone in charge of abiword in main ?
[21:15] <TheMuso> BUGabundo: Yes? Please just ask your question, and I'll get to it when I am around, and if you are online, you will get an answer ASAP.
[21:16] <BUGabundo> TheMuso: are you here now?
[21:19] <TheMuso> BUGabundo: Yes, I would not have responded if I was.
[21:19] <TheMuso> s/was/wasn't/
[21:20] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[21:20] <BUGabundo> I'm having trouble again with PA test2
[21:20] <BUGabundo> most of the time I have to kill it and start again just to have PA audio
[21:21] <BUGabundo> and after hibernate/resume it faills 99% of the time
[21:21] <TheMuso> BUGabundo: May I suggest you contact upstream directly? Except for a few settings changes, there is nothing different from upstrea's code.
[21:22] <BUGabundo> humm I may
[21:23] <BUGabundo> but I remembered there was that race condicion with the archive version
[21:23] <BUGabundo> and this sounds similar (except for resume)
[21:24] <BUGabundo> running pulseaudio -k ; start-pulseaudio-x11 doesn't always start PA
[21:24] <BUGabundo> it fails to connect
[21:25] <BUGabundo> one user on #ubuntu+1 also mentioned that PA devs where under the idea Jaunty was going to ship 9.15 and not 9.14
[21:25] <TheMuso> I'll check on that, because that is certainly not the case.
[21:26] <TheMuso> As for that race stuff, I'll put it into the test version later today when I get to doing audio work.
[21:54] <andersk> Is there a MOTU sponsor available to review a quick fix in bug 34376? I fixed a regression introduced by the last patch.
[21:55] <andersk> I think that it can then be closed, because the original problem has been addressed.
[21:58] <ScottK> andersk: #ubuntu-motu is a better channel.
[22:49] <mdke> what are the chances that if usb-creator doesn't work for me in Intrepid, it will work in Jaunty? Has there been intensive development in the last few months?
[22:50] <geser> mdke: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/usb-creator/usb-creator_0.1.11/changelog
[22:51] <RainCT> * Default the GUI to start up centered on the screen.
[22:51]  * RainCT guesses this won't work on a dual screem setup, and hopes to be corrected :P
[22:53] <mdke> geser: thanks. I can't see anything obviously crucial there but I'll give it a try :)
[22:56] <RAOF> RainCT: Depends on how it's implemented.  GTK will generally DTRT with screens spanning two heads.
[22:56] <primes2h> May anyone have a look on this bug, please? It's a blocker for many many users, especially for newbies.... bug #255651
[23:05] <DevelArab> Enter text here...Hi
[23:16] <RainCT> kirkland: I've just reviewed screenbin on REVU


[00:54] <bigbash> Cheesehead, did I read that you are looking at starting a bug event for twice/wk?
[00:57] <Cheesehead> bigbash: My thought was *some* ongoing event. Generate some chatter in the channel, have some fun together, have a reason to stop by.
[00:58] <Cheesehead> I think bugs are more fun in a group.
[00:58] <bigbash> i'd agree, i'm bummed that I couldn't make it
[00:59] <Cheesehead> Better time would be.....?
[01:00] <bigbash> Better time?
[01:01] <Cheesehead> Better time. Make an offer!
[01:04] <bigbash> Anytime after 6:00pm CST Mon-Sun
[01:06] <bigbash> Tues or Wed works best since spouse will be working
[01:06] <Cheesehead> We're not too far off.
[01:07] <Cheesehead> I suggested 8:00 or later so small kids will be in bed.
[01:08] <Cheesehead> What does everyone else think?
[01:08] <bigbash> That's good with me, I can watch most of our shows with spouse still
[01:08] <Cheesehead> Spouse time = important
[01:10] <bigbash> +1
[01:11] <bigbash> out of curiosity does anyone else have G+?  I'd like to make an ubuntu-wi-us circle
[01:12] <Cheesehead> Several do...
[01:12] <Cheesehead> h00k is probably the best-connected on G+ that I know of
[01:13]  * Cheesehead suggests leaving the time question open for public input for 12-24 hours...
[01:17] <bigbash> hmm apparently closing wIRC closed my IRC session
[01:18] <Cheesehead> Interesting
[09:15] <Cheesehead> How do I close an irssi /query window? The conversation is done.
[11:13] <greppy> Cheesehead: /wc
[13:00] <Cheesehead> greppy: Thanks
[13:20] <h00k> hello.
[13:21] <h00k> oh, hi. Someone mentioned G+
[13:21] <h00k> yep
[13:21] <h00k> I have lots of people
[13:25] <h00k> I have an 'Ubuntu' Circle, but I don't have an Ubuntu Wisconsin circle
[13:58] <bigbash> I'm really digging this WebIRC, anyone else try it?
[13:59] <h00k> bigbash: the freenode web client?
[14:00] <bigbash> h00k: https://github.com/andyherbert/WebIRC
[14:00] <h00k> It is fairly pointless when you consider that irssi and screen have been around for years, but that assumes you can start a secure shell from anywhere, whereas standards compliant web browsers are fairly ubiquitous.
[14:00] <h00k> :D
[14:00] <h00k> nice
[14:01] <bigbash> it's pretty nice, I was looking for something other than wIRC on my touchpad
[14:01] <h00k> oh hey, it's ruby.
[14:01] <h00k> I want a touchpad :(
[14:03] <bigbash> They're pretty nice, I got one for my wife who claimed she'd never use it but now she uses it all the time as a cookbook and for Angry Birds
[14:15] <h00k>  :D
[18:17] <h00k> Signing up for my VMWare VCP 4 exam.
[19:08] <Cheesehead> There. All my server ports are now wide open.
[19:08] <Cheesehead> No. That's not right.
[19:09] <Cheesehead> Ah. closed.
[19:09] <Cheesehead> Stealthed
[19:09] <h00k> STEALTHD
[19:09] <Cheesehead> And potected by mean dogs
[19:09] <Cheesehead> (I call the big one 'bitey')
[19:26] <h00k> and scheduled test.
[19:55] <Cheesehead> Well, I hesitate to test. One of those old nuclear launch codes might still work. And you know how touchy they get with age...
[19:55] <h00k> heh]
[19:57] <Cheesehead> I don't know why I keep them on an unsecured, internet-facing server. I suppose sentimental value. They really have no volue to anyone else, except perhaps some kind of James Bond-style villian bent on world domination or blackmail or revenge or simply insane.
[21:02] <Cheesehead> Reminder to the channel: bigbash and I are interested in starting a regular event. Anyone else? Any subjects or suggestions? Something to have fun here...
[21:06] <mikeputnam> idling is fun enough?
[21:06] <mikeputnam> *isn't
[21:06]  * mikeputnam fails at sarcasm
[21:44]  * Cheesehead thinks mikeputnam succeeded at sarcasm
[21:44] <Cheesehead> The best kind of very subtle sarcasm, indeed
[21:44]  * h00k scoffs sarcastically
[21:45] <mikeputnam> it must be opposite-day it's so sarcasmy around here
[21:45] <Cheesehead> Don't scoff your expensive shoes - takes forever to buff out.
[21:46] <Cheesehead> Any input, fellows?
[21:47] <h00k> usually input preceeds output, yeah
[21:47] <Cheesehead> Only in causal relationships
[21:47] <Cheesehead> This is a casual setting, not a causal setting.
[21:47]  * Cheesehead had to type that carefully
[21:48]  * h00k reads it carefully
[21:49] <Cheesehead> In a casual setting, most input includes pizza-and-$beverage
[21:49] <h00k> it's true
[21:49]  * h00k watches study video
[21:50] <h00k> Cheesehead: send out something on the ML, too
[21:50] <Cheesehead> while $pizza; do ........ ; done
[21:50] <h00k> I think people get intimiated from IRC :(
[21:50] <Cheesehead> I will in a few minutes. Thanks for the reminder.
[22:34]  * Cheesehead sent an announcement to the e-mail list
[22:53] <sj> anyone alive here ?
[23:50] <Cheesehead> sj: We drift in and out. (Sorry for the delay)
[23:51] <sj> Cheesehead, its cool. i understand that. was just poking :)
[23:56] <sj> Cheesehead, just curious, you a packer fan?


[11:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: netplan.io (focal-proposed/main) [0.102-0ubuntu1~20.04.2 => 0.103-0ubuntu2~20.04.1] (core)
[12:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (focal-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[12:34] <jibel> sil2100, hi, could you review/approve ubiquity in focal unapproved queue? It fixes a crash found during testing, some code had not been backported.
[13:23] <sil2100> jibel: okay o/
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity [source] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:02] <jibel> Thanks sil2100
[14:05] <sil2100> yw!
[14:05] <sil2100> Thanks for spotting that
[16:32] <laney> wtf we have some autopkgtest jobs from 2021-07-01 still running
[16:32] <laney> 😬
[16:38] <bdmurray> I'm sure they are almost done!
[16:57] <laney> ah they're not, just ghosts on /running
[16:58]  * laney clears it
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (bionic-proposed/main) [237-3ubuntu10.50 => 237-3ubuntu10.51] (core)
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted budgie-wallpapers [amd64] (impish-proposed) [21.10]
[18:59] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: Could I please get some movement on plasma-optimus in impish NEW? It's been sitting for almost a month.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> (next step will be pinging you all individually)
[20:17] <apw> Eickmeyer, if it hasn't been done over night, i'll try and get to it tommorrow; it looks small ... ping me in pm when you wake
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> apw: Ok, I'll ping you first thing in the morning if someone else doesn't get to it (I doubt someone will, it's been waiting this long).


[01:49] <veebers> thomi: hey, what's you opinion on this approach for restarting maliit-server for the ubuntu keyboard tests? https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/ubuntu-keyboard/restarting-maliit-for-tests/+merge/190005
[04:57] <jibel> Good morning
[05:00] <pitti> bonjour jibel, ça va?
[05:03] <jibel> pitti, ça va et toi?
[05:03] <pitti> jibel: je vais bien, merci !
[05:03] <jibel> yet another build :/ I'm happy the release is approaching, I couldn't do that forever
[05:16] <DanChapman> good morning all
[06:16] <Noskcaj> hey DanChapman
[06:30] <DanChapman> hey Noskcaj :-)
[09:11] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:37] <slickymaster> elfy: ping
[09:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:58] <elfy> slickymaster: pong
[09:58] <slickymaster> davmor2: morning
[09:59] <slickymaster> elfy: hi. good morning. Whenever you'll have 5 minutes to spare, https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/TomcatJavaServer_Install/+merge/189444 is waiting for your review
[09:59] <elfy> ok
[09:59] <slickymaster> thanks
[10:06] <elfy> slickymaster: thanks - all done
[10:07] <slickymaster> elfy: np, it's me who thanks you
[10:07] <elfy> :)
[12:46] <nuclearbob> davmor2: ping
[12:59] <davmor2> nuclearbob: pong
[15:57] <elopio> hello!
[15:57] <elopio> I'm sorry for the late start. There was no power.
[16:01] <balloons> ping DanChapman
[16:29] <davmor2> elopio: excuses excuses ;)  It's a good one though so we'll let you off.....Oh and morning dude :)
[16:30] <elopio> good morning davmor2 :)
[16:38] <om26er> could anyone verify bug 1237501 ?
[16:38] <cgoldberg> balloons, does ubuntu-ui-toolkit  or SDK Team have an irc channel?  my sphinx documentation branch is failing CI.  I want to make sure I didn't break anything in the qdoc build... so looking for someone to chat with
[16:39] <balloons> you can talk in #ubuntu-touch
[16:39] <balloons> or #sdk internally
[16:39] <cgoldberg> balloons, k thanks
[16:44] <om26er> balloons, confirming bugs much ? :)
[16:44] <balloons> om26er, this week, not so much
[16:45] <balloons> I'm full on with autopilot tests, mir, and sdk
[16:45] <om26er> busy balloons is busy
[16:45] <balloons> om26er, lol :-) I'm happy to confirm a bug for you if needed however
[16:45] <om26er> balloons, if you are using image 89 bug 1237501
[16:46] <balloons> om26er, I'm not yet, but I can be.. :-)
[16:46] <om26er> a more easier way to verify is specified in my first comment. Make sure you are connected to wifi so that 'more suggestions' appears
[16:47] <om26er> balloons, ok, its not urgent. If you get around to flash the device later in the day, that's fine
[16:47] <balloons> om26er, certainly. I need to update my device today so I'll confirm when I do
[16:47] <om26er> balloons, ack. thanks
[17:09] <balloons> om26er, are you missing datetime in the indicators?
[17:09] <om26er> balloons, its not shown on some reboots
[17:09] <om26er> known bug.
[17:09] <balloons> om26er, ty
[17:10] <balloons> you are confirmed
[17:12] <om26er> bug 1227519
[17:30] <DanChapman> balloons: pong! sorry for the slow response :-)
[17:32] <balloons> DanChapman, no worries mate!
[17:32] <balloons> always lots going on this last weeks. So I wanted to see how we were doing in regards to ubiquity is all.. And yourself, hanging in there?
[17:38] <DanChapman> balloons: The tests themselves are coming along nice. Just adding the finishing touches to the custom install. Ended up taking a different approach, it now selects a random partition config from a selection set out in a config file. Rather than seperate tests for different configurations  :-) still waiting to see them running on jenkins though
[17:39] <DanChapman> hows your week going?
[17:42] <balloons> DanChapman, not too bad at all. Today is much saner than the first couple of days. We're not quite 1 week to release
[17:45] <DanChapman> balloons: eek it's coming round quickly.
[17:48] <elfy> roll on Friday week
[17:50] <DanChapman> evening elfy :-)
[17:51] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[18:52] <balloons> buonsera letozaf. come stai?
[18:53] <letozaf> balloons, buonasera :D bene e tu ?
[18:53] <balloons> bene
[18:53] <letozaf> balloons, I see your Italian is improving a lot :)
[18:54] <balloons> letozaf, lol.. you've just seen all of it :-)
[18:54] <letozaf> balloons, :D
[18:55] <balloons> so rssreader is the last app to get squared away.. how are we looking? :-)
[18:55] <balloons> good morning Noskcaj
[18:56] <Noskcaj> hey balloons
[18:58] <letozaf> balloons, got to fix an error, hope quickly :p
[19:02] <balloons> letozaf, let me know.. just finished up music app I think, so I can dive in.. I'll probably grab your branch now ;-)
[19:02] <letozaf> balloons, wait let me push the last changes
[19:09] <thomi> morning
[19:11] <letozaf> balloons, if I stop bumping into errors I will push it shortly :P
[19:13] <balloons> hehe
[19:15] <letozaf> balloons, I have an error that maybe needs your help
[19:16] <letozaf> balloons, TypeError: 'tuple' object is not callable
[19:16] <balloons> letozaf, yes, is everything pushed?
[19:16] <letozaf> balloons, yes
[19:16] <balloons> me syncs
[19:16] <letozaf> https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/edit-topic-test
[19:16] <letozaf> balloons, it happens in a "strange" place
[19:17] <letozaf> balloons, that is the remove feed part, that part has been called before and did not have problems
[19:17] <letozaf> balloons, it returns an error in the new test
[19:17] <balloons> ubuntu_rssreader_app.tests.test_rssreader.TestMainWindow.test_edit_topic?
[19:18] <balloons> ok got the error
[19:18]  * balloons looks @ code
[19:20] <balloons> letozaf, essentially what that error is telling you is you can't use eventually on a non-function
[19:20] <balloons>     self.assertThat(feedlistpage.visible, Eventually(Equals(True)))
[19:20] <balloons> TypeError: 'tuple' object is not callable
[19:20] <balloons> feedlist.visible will never change, so eventually doesn't make sense
[19:20] <letozaf> balloons, yes but if you run the ubuntu_rssreader_app.tests.test_rssreader.TestMainWindow.test_view_feeds
[19:20] <balloons> letozaf, does it have the same thing, lol?
[19:20] <letozaf> balloons, test the same routine is called and no error
[19:21] <letozaf> balloons, I'm a bit "confused" :D
[19:22] <balloons> letozaf, well let's fix it to be correct regardless
[19:22] <balloons> it should fail.. it doesn't make sense
[19:22] <balloons> likely what is happening is it is true right away, so it's not triggering perhaps
[19:22] <letozaf> balloons, yes
[19:23] <balloons> letozaf, feedlistpage = lambda: self.main_view.get_feed_management_page().visible
[19:23] <balloons>         self.assertThat(feedlistpage, Eventually(Equals(True)))
[19:23] <cgoldberg> letozaf, got a link to the stacktrace?  sounds like you are passing a tuple where it is expecting a callable (funtion name) essentially)
[19:24] <balloons> letozaf, I see more like this..
[19:24]  * balloons edits
[19:25] <letozaf> cgoldberg, if you want the code is here https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/edit-topic-test
[19:25] <balloons> letozaf, OHH
[19:25] <letozaf> cgoldberg, thanks
[19:25] <letozaf> balloons, what ?
[19:26] <cgoldberg> letozaf, can you paste me the error you are getting so I dont have to run it? :)  i just wanna look over the code quick and see if I can identify something
[19:26] <cgoldberg> full stracktrace
[19:26] <balloons> ignore my idea is all letozaf :-)
[19:27] <letozaf> cgoldberg, is this enough ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6215135/
[19:27] <cgoldberg> should do
[19:28] <balloons> letozaf, because it's running through select_single_retry
[19:28] <letozaf> balloons, ooh!!
[19:29] <balloons> I was thinking perhaps it was sending an error or something
[19:29] <balloons> but that doesn't look correct at all
[19:29] <knome> can somebody confirm if bug 1237594 is affecting konsole?
[19:29] <balloons> so as i said, ignore me ;-)
[19:29] <knome> (hai)
[19:29] <letozaf> balloons, lol
[19:30] <balloons> knome, cool bug
[19:30] <balloons> I like the colors!
[19:30]  * knome facepalms
[19:30] <balloons> it affects gnome and xfce terms that I can tes
[19:31] <knome> i know, i marked those as affected ;)=
[19:31] <knome> probably related to libvte
[19:31] <balloons> xterm works fine
[19:31] <knome> yep, that's noted too in the bug report ;)
[19:32] <knome> and that's not using libvte
[19:32] <balloons> I would agree with your synopsis
[19:33] <balloons> letozaf, so for some reason you are getting back something weird.. the asserts and everything all makes sense now
[19:34] <letozaf> balloons, yes I'm stuck
[19:34] <balloons> a tuple is an immutable list more or less.. cgoldberg  and/or thomi are more up on python than me
[19:34] <letozaf> balloons, do not know how to solve it
[19:34] <thomi> yo
[19:34] <letozaf> balloons, yes I read about that
[19:34] <balloons> why you are getting something like that is odd, but I'll still call out the _retry function :-)
[19:34] <knome> bbl
[19:35] <balloons> hey thomi :-)
[19:35]  * thomi hears his name
[19:35] <thomi> sup?
[19:35] <cgoldberg> letozaf, i'm looking.. somewhere you are passing a tuple when it's excpecting aq callable object
[19:35] <balloons> thomi, a select_single is returning a tuple
[19:35] <thomi> umwut?
[19:35] <thomi> got a code example? that's odd
[19:35] <letozaf> cgoldberg, thanks for your help
[19:35] <balloons> thomi, however, it's passing through a select_single_retry function, so I'm blaming that
[19:36] <cgoldberg> letozaf, it would also be nice to find an idiomatic way to remove those lambda's if possible... me hates lambdas.. and they are sorta sprinkled intermittently in that code
[19:36] <letozaf> thomi, https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/edit-topic-test
[19:36] <cgoldberg> morning thomi
[19:36] <balloons> cgoldberg, it used to be much worse :-)
[19:36] <thomi> hi cgoldberg
[19:36] <thomi> letozaf: what file/line?
[19:36] <letozaf> thomi, the test_edit_topic
[19:37] <balloons> line 117
[19:37] <cgoldberg> thomi http://paste.ubuntu.com/6215135/
[19:37] <letozaf> thomi, if you run it
[19:37] <balloons> line 1116 is an attempt to get the object
[19:37] <letozaf> thomi, you get the error
[19:37] <letozaf> cgoldberg, I also do not fancy lambda's :p
[19:38]  * thomi looks
[19:38] <balloons> the poor rssreader testcase is abused.. it's quite beat
[19:38] <cgoldberg> brb
[19:38] <balloons> I've been on both sides of it
[19:38] <letozaf> thomi, the strange fact is that if you run the test_view_feeds  test it works no error
[19:39] <thomi> found the problem
[19:40] <thomi> line 392 in that file:
[19:40] <thomi> self.assertThat=(topicValueselectorValue.text, Eventually(Equals("news")))
[19:40] <thomi> you're assigning a tuple to the 'assertThat' method - I guess a typo that happened to be valid python :)
[19:40] <balloons> ohh nice!
[19:41] <thomi> and line 420, same thing
[19:41] <thomi> copy paste error I guess
[19:41] <letozaf> thomi, :(
[19:41] <thomi> :)
[19:42] <balloons> thomi, excellent work :-)
[19:42] <thomi> why thank you sir. Time for my second coffee I think
[19:42] <balloons> little errors like that are so hard to spot.. we knew select_single wasn't giving a tuple, haha
[19:42] <letozaf> thomi, thank you
[19:42] <thomi> no worries
[19:42] <balloons> tests pass as-is with that fix
[19:42] <balloons> but I'm guessing you've more cleanup to do?
[19:45] <letozaf> balloons, I'm quite new to python, but how do I check that tuple value now ?
[19:45] <letozaf> balloons, cannot use asserthat
[19:45] <balloons> letozaf, no, the issue was you were assigning assertthat to a value
[19:46] <balloons> it's really weird.. the end result is just remove the accidental equals sign
[19:46] <balloons> everything works
[19:46] <letozaf> balloons, ah ok, let me try
[19:47] <balloons> you can drop the sleep also if you add a retry to the get_feedlist_feed
[19:48] <balloons> then just an clean up work you need to do.. and merge proposal time..
[19:50] <letozaf> balloons, argh! forgot that sleep there :(
[19:51] <balloons> no worries.. glad it's working.. push it up and let's see what the mp looks like ;-
[19:52] <letozaf> balloons, ooooh!!! that equals sign !!!! didn't see it lol
[19:52]  * letozaf slaps her head
[19:52] <balloons> it's the little things that get you
[19:57] <letozaf> balloons, thomi thanks the test works now :p
[19:57] <thomi> sweet
[20:00] <jfunk> elopio, ready to rock?
[20:00] <elopio> jfunk: yes sir.
[20:01] <davmor2> jfunk: I think elopio more of a soul man thank a rocker ;)
[20:01] <jfunk> davmor2, you got him all wrong, Leo is a rocker at heart
[20:01] <elopio> davmor2: I'm psicotropical.
[20:01] <davmor2> hahah
[20:01] <jfunk> elopio, can't hear you
[20:02] <elopio> jfunk: I just reinstalled my machine. Give me a second to figure it out
[20:02] <jfunk> elopio, np
[20:03] <davmor2> elopio: pulseaudio god always has to be to your east and in the rain for audio to work correctly ;)
[20:03] <davmor2> and with that I bid you all a good night
[20:06] <letozaf> balloons, proposed merge
[20:12] <balloons> letozaf, got it
[20:12] <letozaf> balloons, :D
[20:18] <cgoldberg> after seeing elopio's Google+ photo, I'm convinced he's a son of Frank Zappa.. so a rocker
[20:22] <balloons> letozaf, jenkins build: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-rssreader-app-ci/89/
[20:24] <letozaf> balloons, it green :)
[20:25] <letozaf> balloons, for now
[20:26] <letozaf> balloons, red :(
[20:35] <balloons> letozaf, I see
[20:35] <balloons> a StateNotFoundError error
[20:50] <balloons> letozaf, so it failed the same way
[20:50] <balloons> well..
[20:50] <elopio> cgoldberg: I was ashamed of going outside with my Zappa's mustache and took it off, so not a real rocker :(
[20:51] <cgoldberg> no need to be ashamed.. wear with pride :)
[20:51] <letozaf> balloons, something I can do ?
[20:51] <balloons> letozaf, well it's this line.. It's kind of odd
[20:51] <elopio> cgoldberg: next halloween.
[20:52] <sergiusens> balloons, did you have time to look at filemanager tests for click?
[20:52] <balloons> sergiusens, sure
[20:52] <balloons> I need 5 mins
[20:52] <sergiusens> balloons, oh, well the code init needs refactoring I think, but the test setup is a little big; doing the same with the music app myself
[20:53] <balloons> letozaf, maybe thomi has some insight here again
[20:53] <thomi> hmmm?
[20:53] <balloons> sergiusens, we just landed quite a bit of changes to music app, fair warning
[20:53] <balloons> sergiusens, what refactoring specifically? for click? for ro?
[20:53] <balloons> thomi, http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/861/testReport/ubuntu_rssreader_app.tests.test_rssreader/TestMainWindow/test_edit_topic_with_mouse_/?
[20:54] <balloons> thomi, it's a StateNotFoundError
[20:54] <balloons> trying to land the code you were looking at earlier; https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/edit-topic-test/+merge/190234
[20:55] <sergiusens> balloons, for click; when was this landed?
[20:56] <sergiusens> balloons, the music app has a home stub, but when launching the app with upstart, that's a bit messy
[20:56] <balloons> sergiusens, music app? sorry I should be specific, we merged code to trunk within the last 3 hours
[20:56] <thomi> balloons: it'd be good to see the test log as well
[20:56] <thomi> balloons: can you change it to run with -v?
[20:57] <balloons> thomi, they should all be running like that..
[20:58] <balloons> fginther, can we ensure we are running autopilot with -v in the core apps vm's if we're not for some reason? ;-)
[20:58] <balloons> thomi, since it doesn't happen here, I can't give anything more
[20:58] <balloons> I like running with -vv actually.. I like logs :-)
[20:59] <fginther> balloons, ack
[20:59] <thomi> yeah, you need the logs before you can tell anything really
[20:59] <balloons> fginther, specifically we're looking at rssreader app atm
[20:59] <balloons> ty!
[20:59] <fginther> balloons, done
[21:00] <balloons> thomi, I'll get a log in a few :-)
[21:01] <sergiusens> balloons, so just to be aware, you know about the swipe to delete missing emulator?
[21:01] <sergiusens> balloons, and I can't seem to fix these either: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/maguro/89:20131009.1:20131009.1/4640/ubuntu-rssreader-app-autopilot/470106/
[21:02] <balloons> sergiusens, we're trying to fix rssreader right now actuall
[21:02] <balloons> sergiusens, swipe to delete? you mean the trash can change?
[21:04] <phillw> balloons: when you get a spare couple of minutes can you give me a ping for a quick PM. Thanks.
[21:04] <sergiusens> balloons, first I've heard of trash can change :-)
[21:04] <sergiusens> balloons, I mean this http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/maguro/89:20131009.1:20131009.1/4640/ubuntu-calculator-app-autopilot/469697/
[21:04] <balloons> sergiusens, there was a swipe to delete change that would force you to tap a trash can icon after swiping
[21:04] <slickymaster> good night all
[21:05] <balloons> sergiusens, I'm not sure of the status atm on it.. don't have the bug handy
[21:05] <sergiusens> balloons, yeah, that; didn't think it would be referred to as the 'trash can change' :-)
[21:05] <balloons> sergiusens, hahahahah
[21:05] <balloons> sergiusens, I'm a slow typist my friend.. short and simple
[21:05] <sergiusens> balloons, no problem, bfiller told me that the sdk wouldn't do it by default but the feature hadn't landed yet
[21:06] <sergiusens> but it would be nice to have an emulator
[21:06] <balloons> sergiusens, right.. the not by default action made me go "whew"
[21:07] <letozaf> balloons, need me to wait or can I go to sleep ?
[21:08] <balloons> letozaf, no reason to wait. arrivederci
[21:09] <letozaf> balloons, buona notte! hope you fix rssreader :D
[21:09] <balloons> I'm sure sergiusens will make it work or remove it :-)
[21:12] <sergiusens> balloons, heh :-)
[21:12] <sergiusens> balloons, so back to music, is the refactor making it work with click as well?
[21:12] <balloons> fginther, ty, looks better now :-). thomi have a look: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests/862/testReport/ubuntu_rssreader_app.tests.test_rssreader/TestMainWindow/test_edit_topic_with_mouse_/?
[21:13] <balloons> sergiusens, the primary purpose was keeping the tests inline with the huge UI changes that were landing
[21:14] <balloons> sergiusens, the rssreader was the last one on my list of stuff to fix before diving more into MIR. Are you finding issues with them running as click?
[21:15] <sergiusens> balloons, yes; but just the tests; everything runs until it gets an exception (qml) that you can see in the upstart log for the click app
[21:19] <balloons> sergiusens, and this is across the board with all the core apps/
[21:19] <balloons> ?
[21:19] <sergiusens> balloons, no, only reader
[21:20] <balloons> sergiusens, ahh.. so it's probably just the tests not running successfully due to UI changes atm
[21:20] <balloons> so this merge should fix that issue
[21:20] <sergiusens> balloons, the error is in the dashboard
[21:20] <sergiusens> balloons, great
[21:21] <balloons> sergiusens, ahh you are basically looking at these eh? http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/maguro/89:20131009.1:20131009.1/4640/
[21:22] <sergiusens> yup
[21:22] <sergiusens> darn, music app merged incorrectly, missing files in trunk :-/
[21:24] <balloons> yes, so rssreader is the only one on that list I consider having a true issue. The others are a bit perplexing.. random failures
[21:24] <balloons> still an issue, as any failure is a potential sign tests aren't robust
[21:28] <sergiusens> balloons, not sure about dropping letters, feels the device just failed and calculator just needs that swipte to delete fix from the sdk
[21:29] <balloons> sergiusens, yes, dropping letters ran fine on the other device, and I've never seen a failure from it
[21:30] <balloons> sergiusens, ohh, if calc didn't apply the fix.. hmm, you know I'm not sure it did. Clock, weather and rss did I remember, but I don't remember for calc
[21:31] <sergiusens> balloons, I fixed calc and clock this morning with the devs
[21:31] <sergiusens> balloons, also, https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/toolbar-rewrite-1/+merge/188917
[21:31] <sergiusens> balloons, I see you happroved
[21:32] <sergiusens> balloons, there's no reasoning for the removal of manifest.json in there
[21:33] <balloons> I top approved that yes, it had been sitting out there forever waiting on an sdk fix
[21:33] <sergiusens> balloons, so autolanding woes?
[21:33] <balloons> there is no reason for the removal
[21:34] <sergiusens> balloons, let me re add it
[21:34] <balloons> go for it, I'll approve and get it put back
[21:34] <balloons> andrew probably did that inadvertently during one of his rebases
[21:40] <sergiusens> balloons, seems so; I'm being slow at finding it though
[21:43] <sergiusens> balloons, the file only gets removed after the merge though; might be looking at it wrong
[21:43] <sergiusens> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/music-app/manifest/+merge/190250
[21:48] <balloons> done
[22:02] <alesage> so when I'm adb-shelled into the phone I get exactly 80 characters and it's kind-of cramping my style, esp. b/c a newline begins on present line
[22:02] <alesage> I'm sure I just lack shell-settings-fu, can anyone suggest a remedy?
[22:13] <balloons> alesage, stty
[22:13] <balloons> you can manually resize it that way, not ideal, but
[22:15] <alesage> balloons, thanks that's a start