[00:01] <nonau> After years of testing, and a few bug reports during the last couple of cycles, I think that Xubuntu Pangolin is shaping up to be the release which converts me over to a full time user.  After this latest daily build finishes downloading I'll run it through the full suite of tests.
[00:02] <ochosi> nonau: if you're already at it, would you mind testing the gtk-theme from git?
[00:02] <ochosi> it's really easy, you can download a tarball from github and extract it to ~/.themes
[00:02] <ochosi> then it should override the theme in /usr/share/themes
[00:03] <nonau> It'll be about 20 minutes before the iso finishes downloading (slow connection).  After that I'll gladly test it on my netbook.
[00:05] <ochosi> ok cool!
[00:05] <ochosi> thanks
[00:09] <nonau> np
[00:39] <nonau> I'll have to install the beta and update instead.    It crashes for me whether I choose install Xubuntu or go to the live cd and choose to install.
[00:52] <nonau> I get "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141"
[00:52] <ochosi> :/
[00:57] <diarmuid> Have you tried booting it off a USB?
[00:59] <ochosi> hi diarmuid :)
[00:59] <diarmuid> hello :D
[00:59] <ochosi> you were quick to embrace my suggestion
[01:00] <diarmuid> Mailing list??
[01:00] <ochosi> yup
[01:00] <ochosi> you can simply /wii $nickname to see the real-name of people here (in case they expose them)
[01:02] <diarmuid> Thats handy :)
[01:02] <ochosi> depending on what client you use (i use irssi), there are also other, more GUI-oriented ways
[01:03] <nonau> With Xchat a simple right click on the name will tell you.
[01:03] <diarmuid> Yeah I'm using Xchat just noticed that I could do that.
[01:04] <nonau> And I figured my way around the error... remove windows. ^^
[01:05] <ochosi> hehe
[01:06] <diarmuid> windows don't like to be compatible with anything
[01:07] <ochosi> just for reference, what's your timezones?
[01:07] <ochosi> (mine is GMT+1)
[01:08] <diarmuid> GMT i think lol
[01:08] <diarmuid> its 1:08
[01:08] <diarmuid> 1:08am
[01:08] <ochosi> k, so you're in GMT
[01:08] <ochosi> that's close enough
[01:08] <ochosi> i guess we'll find time to meet :)
[01:11] <diarmuid> Yeah not to far your from central Europe then I take it?
[01:12] <ochosi> austria
[01:14] <diarmuid> I'm from Ireland
[01:14] <ochosi> good stuff :)
[01:17] <ochosi> diarmuid: if you need guidance or help with anything feel free to ping me
[01:22] <diarmuid> ochosi: no problem thanks
[01:33] <bogner17> What program do you use to do all your Xubuntu artwork?
[01:35] <ochosi> gimp and inkscape mostly
[01:35] <bogner17> Do you have your own website?
[01:36] <bogner17> This is Diarmuid by the way
[01:36] <ochosi> heh
[01:36] <ochosi> yeah, i figured, same IP ;)
[01:36] <ochosi> well, there's the shimmerproject.org
[01:36] <ochosi> that's kinda the website for the themes i've been working on
[01:37] <ochosi> but lately i mostly had time to take care of greybird
[01:37] <bogner17> bognerdesigns.co.cc just a little portfolio I was putting together for web design
[01:40] <ochosi> looks nice
[01:41] <nonau> Oh, if you guys ever happen to want a few wallpapers I have some nature shots that work great for that.  Apologies for butting in.
[01:41] <bogner17> Very standard have a lot to learn about designing website used photoshop mostly but I want to be able to design them using inkscape and gimp.
[01:42] <bogner17> No problem nonau would make some great stock images also :)
[01:42] <pleia2> knome: I have a beta2 draft in wordpress, so I figure we just add to that as the week goes on
[01:44] <ochosi> nonau: sounds good, feel free to show them off
[01:46] <nonau> recommend a place to upload them?
[01:47] <bogner17> photobucket.com isn't bad fits the purpose well.
[01:48] <ochosi> or flickr
[01:48] <ochosi> depending on what you wanna do with them (apart from showing them here)
[01:51] <ochosi> k, i'm going to sleep
[01:51] <ochosi> night everyone!
[01:52] <bogner17> night
[01:52] <bogner17> I'm heading to bed also
[01:52] <ochosi> see you around
[01:55] <pleia2> nonau: what are you using to make your ISOs, burning to CD? USB stick?
[01:55] <nonau> burn to cd
[01:55] <pleia2> and same error for both?
[01:57] <nonau> no, on the current daily the CD wasn't recognized and was skipped.  Not sure if it was the ISO or the CD though.
[01:57] <pleia2> I'm wondering if there is a problem with the burn, I've had it happen if I burn too fast, all kinds of weird errors
[01:58] <pleia2> did you run md5sum against the iso file?
[01:58] <pleia2> most people never bother to unless there is a problem, but it's important for testing
[01:59] <nonau> No, I haven't.  9 times in 10 I don't because I generally don't have issues with them.
[01:59] <pleia2> yeah :)
[01:59] <pleia2> so you can run it against the .iso file, and then again against your cdrom after burning
[01:59] <pleia2> md5sum file.iso
[01:59] <pleia2> md5sum /dev/cdrom
[01:59] <pleia2> or whatever the device is
[01:59] <pleia2> err, sorry
[01:59] <pleia2> second command is wrong, let me get the right one
[02:00] <pleia2> (I have been using usb sticks for too long!)
[02:01] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Manual_method
[02:01] <pleia2> doh, that link fails
[02:01] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD
[02:02] <pleia2> and you want "Manual method"
[02:03] <nonau> 2c52467b183646617b987edd10d95178 on the iso
[02:04] <pleia2> 2c52467b183646617b987edd10d95178 *precise-desktop-i386.iso
[02:04] <pleia2> via http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20120319.1/MD5SUMS
[02:04] <pleia2> good :)
[02:06] <nonau> It was a failed burn.     Just got to sift through the bad shots to find some good ones
[02:31] <nonau> After a full update the panel artifacts seem to be gone on my Eee PC
[02:31] <pleia2> well that's good
[02:32] <pleia2> further proves it's a finicky thing to pin down though
[03:09] <nonau> Another bug, likely pulse related.  The mute function key will mute the audio just fine but using the key combo again won't unmute as on Windows.
[03:10] <pleia2> ochosi: nonau replicated it ^^^
[03:10] <pleia2> I was trying to test that, but my laptop doesn't have a mute key :)
[03:12] <pleia2> nonau: ochosi may have some things for you to try to fix that tomorrow when he's awake
[03:13] <nonau> Alright, can do.  I still need to test the latest git version of the theme and report on that as well.
[03:27] <nonau> ochosi:  Theme from master is working as expected so far.  Ping me if you want anything in particular tested.
[03:37] <nonau> Another hotkey which locks the screen doesn't seem to do anything either.  I know it triggers the screensaver in Gnome.
[03:38] <nonau> *function key
[04:02] <nonau> ochosi: Theme version from git causes white text in the gksu prompt instead of the black in previous versions.
[08:27] <ochosi> pleia2: hmm, if you see nonau again (i think i won't be online tonight), please tell him i'm sorry i forgot to tell him he needs to test the gtk3.3 branch from github :/
[09:53] <knome> hmm
[09:53] <knome> somebody online?
[09:54] <ochosi> yup
[09:54] <ochosi> but not for long
[09:54] <knome> hey
[09:54] <knome> can you quickly confirm that http://xubuntu.org/ doesn't have the new looks?
[09:55] <knome> (it should, i got an email about that)
[09:55] <ochosi> you mean new logo?
[09:55] <knome> yes, and the new bg and all
[09:55] <ochosi> still old
[09:55] <knome> mmh
[09:56] <knome> i'll poke IS
[09:56] <ochosi> is the blog post for the new logo/branding ready?
[09:57] <ochosi> i think i'll do some kind of artwork post as well
[09:58] <ochosi> including the new lightdm-theme and new widget-theming in greybird (scale and spinbuttons etc.)
[09:58] <ochosi> (hope i'll have time for that soon)
[09:59] <astraljava> o/
[10:00] <knome> ochosi, i suppose it is :)
[10:00] <astraljava> I fell asleep abruptly last night, so didn't test the live-cd yet, but then again Lionel reported having tested it, so I don't imagine it being a huge problem, no?
[10:00] <knome> nope
[10:18] <mr_pouit> fyi, I haven't included the new logo in lightdm yet (nor the unity-greeter xubuntu badge)
[10:22] <knome> mmkay
[10:27] <ochosi> mr_pouit: feel free to ping me whenever you've tested greybird-git in your vm
[10:29] <mr_pouit> I've already two vms started to test 10.04 and 11.10 upgrades, plus some tests running for my work, so my system is dying right now :>
[10:29] <mr_pouit> (I'll test greybird this afternoon)
[10:30] <ochosi> whoa :)
[10:30] <ochosi> sure, i probably won't be online much, have an important presentation later today
[10:30] <ochosi> but i'll read the backlog as always
[10:30] <knome> mr_pouit, you've got a cc of a mail asking for more time for #955396
[10:33] <ochosi> k, see y'all later
[10:33] <mr_pouit> knome: yep, I just read it
[10:36] <knome> see you ochosi
[11:02] <bogner17> Good morning everyone
[11:06] <knome> hey bogner17
[11:10] <bogner17> What is everyone up to?
[11:12]  * knome is updating the new logo for debian-cd
[11:12] <knome> and trying to get extended time for our UIFe (ui freeze exception)
[11:13] <knome> bogner17, did you read the xubuntu team description in LP?
[11:15] <bogner17> Okay well I will let you guys know a little more about my skill set they and I suppose you could give me some advice on what area's I could help with Xubuntu?
[11:15] <knome> sure :)
[11:18] <bogner17> Well I'm 19 years old and I live in Ireland not to sure if thats important :D. I have quite a lot of experience using Adobe Photoshop packages I have been using it since I was 12 years old. I am developing these skills into GIMP and Inkscape now. I also have web design skills I have created and administrated several sites over the years. I go to a Technical College and I study ICT (software development) the only programming w
[11:18] <knome> (you got cut at: the only programming w ...)
[11:19] <bogner17> I am currently learning python and XHTML5 and I want to maybe start doing some programming using it to help develop Xubuntu. So not only will I be able to code but I will also be able to make beautiful GUI's for my programs.
[11:19] <bogner17> we do is visual basic ewwh :(.
[11:20] <knome> heh, right
[11:20] <bogner17> thats after the programming knome
[11:20] <astraljava> You do Visual Basic after the programming. Yeah, that actually makes perfect sense. :)
[11:21] <knome> bogner17, nvm astraljava, he's a bit weird.;)
[11:21] <astraljava> I've said it before, but I acknowledge I must repeat myself often around here. I may be weird, but at least I'm not weird.
[11:22] <astraljava> *blink*
[11:22] <astraljava> *blink* *blink*
[11:22] <bogner17> Well thats what our college teaches astraljava next year at University I will be learning java, C++ and C#.
[11:22] <astraljava> ...I'll get me coat.
[11:22] <astraljava> bogner17: Oh okay, I missed the context, sorry.
[11:23] <knome> ahahh
[11:23] <bogner17> No problem no offence taken astraljava
[11:23] <knome> :)=
[11:23] <knome> bogner17, i suppose mr_pouit and micahg would be really happy with help on the actual development
[11:24] <knome> that includes packaging and bugfixes and... all kinds of stuff
[11:24] <astraljava> bogner17: A hint from a veteran in the field; there's already a number so huge of java developers, I would concentrate on C[++|#], it's quite easy to jump into java if you nail those first.
[11:24] <astraljava> C++ just refuses to die, it seems.
[11:24] <astraljava> ...which is nice, for me.
[11:24] <knome> :P
[11:25] <bogner17> What about coding python but implementing C++ into codes where needed?
[11:25] <astraljava> bogner17: That's actually what I've been doing for the past 3 years now.
[11:25] <bogner17> astraljava: so would it not be better to focus on python first and foremost?
[11:25] <astraljava> Using python when applicable (test automation framework, for instance), and writing apps with Qt/C++.
[11:26] <astraljava> bogner17: Not really, but it's essential to keep it on the side.
[11:26] <bogner17> So basically you can make like a prototype of the app in python before coding in C++?
[11:26] <astraljava> Python is very easy to get into, although that doesn't mean that's all there is to it.
[11:27] <astraljava> bogner17: No, I would not do that. Stick to a language, but make good decisions on which part of the system you implement in which language.
[11:28] <astraljava> bogner17: Of course, if you absolutely must have some proof-of-concept in 5 minutes, then do that in the language you know best.
[11:28] <astraljava> But stop going further than absolutely necessary before making a thorough analysis on which language would suit the job best.
[11:29] <bogner17> Well I'm going to get stuck into some C++ tutorials today get some books printed off do something productive with my day. Do any off you have any good resources?
[11:29] <astraljava> Of course, this applies to professional jobs only. If you want to learn a new language while implementing a new system, and you have time for that, then by all means, that's the best way to get that knowledge.
[11:30] <astraljava> But there are still some things all languages/frameworks can't do.
[11:30] <astraljava> This is especially true on real-time stuff.
[11:31] <astraljava> ..and other similar stuff.
[11:31] <bogner17> Yeah I kind of understand I suppose this will all make better sense when I learn some more.
[11:31] <astraljava> But I digress now, and will leave the arena to more on-topic conversation. :)
[11:32] <bogner17> :)
[11:34] <knome> bogner17, if you can, the best way to get hold of things is to hang around this chanenl
[11:34] <knome> *channel
[11:34] <knome> communication will mostly happen here (and the mailing list)
[11:34] <bogner17> Yeah I am faster than mailing lists
[11:35] <astraljava> knome: ...and the forums? *evil grin*
[11:35]  * knome (gently) kicks astraljava in the knee
[11:35] <astraljava> Bah! Just as I was about to go cycling.
[11:36] <bogner17> What would be the best IDE for writing lines of C++
[11:38] <bogner17> I'll be back in 5mins need to go onto my own computer this computer I'm currently on is Windows....
[11:42] <bogner17_> Back
[11:44] <bogner17_> So what would be the recommended way for me to begin my studies?
[11:45] <astraljava> bogner17_: I've rather liked Qt Creator, but there are so many of them, and it's such a matter of personal preference. Some prefer regular text editors with syntax highlighting, some want more sophisticated features. Try Anjuta and Eclipse CDT.
[11:47] <astraljava> bogner17_: re: C++, if you have a linked account, I suggest you joining the C++ Developers Group, it's got plenty of interesting conversation on best practices and stuff. Obviously there are actual mailing lists and newsgroups on the topic, too.
[11:48] <bogner17_> How do I go about joining them?
[11:50] <knome> astraljava, s/linked/linkedin/ ?
[11:50] <knome> mr_pouit, you can go ahead with the lightdm logo and greeter badges. :)
[11:51] <astraljava> knome: Thanks.
[11:51] <knome> np
[11:51] <knome> :)
[11:54] <astraljava> bogner17_: comp.lang.c++ and comp.lang.c++.moderated are the standards for newsgroups, for other great resources, have a look at http://www.robertnz.net/cpp_site.html
[11:56]  * knome is off for a while
[11:56] <knome> bogner17_, great to hear you are interested in the xubuntu development :)
[11:57] <knome> bogner17_, i'm sure you will both learn and gain a lot, if you have the persistence to get in open source development, whatever the project :)
[11:57] <knome> see you later
[12:06] <bogner17_> See you later thanks knome :)
[13:20] <mr_pouit> ochosi: nice, the fix for the comboboxes and the spinbuttons is workign
[15:33] <mr_pouit> https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/+pots/lightdm-gtk-greeter (almost all green \o/)
[15:33] <mr_pouit> (exported oneiric lightdm translations from lp and reimported them for precise lightdm-gtk-greeter :)
[15:33] <knome> heh, nice
[15:34] <knome> btw, our branch to upload new logo to debian-cd got accepted
[15:34] <knome> what? there is no LATIN translation for the greeter? schuss
[15:41] <astraljava> Probably no taushiro, neither.
[15:42] <pleia2> knome: I made a few small changes on the Xubuntu/Testing page, and sent a draft of the testing blog post over to Charlie for review, once he's done I'll send it to you, then we can toss it up to xubuntu.org
[15:42] <knome> pleia2, okay, did you notice we had a beta 2 announcement already?
[15:43] <knome> pleia2, it's bundled with the new branding post
[15:43] <pleia2> knome: oh, no :)
[15:43] <pleia2> you can just move my items then
[15:43] <knome> ;)
[15:43] <knome> i did already
[15:43] <pleia2> thanks
[15:43] <knome> i also updated the marketing page
[15:44] <pleia2> ok
[15:45] <knome> (all new logos and microbuttons!!)
[15:49] <knome> anyway, i'm off again for now
[15:49] <knome> pleia2, thanks for handling the testing blog article on your trip :)
[15:49] <pleia2> sure :)
[15:49] <pleia2> it's all you guys who get to have fun with new testers I'm telling to join here ;)
[15:53] <astraljava> Heheh. :)
[18:36] <knome> astraljava, http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/Tutkimus+Koirat+hermostuvat+hevimusiikista/a1305558207724
[19:00] <astraljava> Heheh. Didn't see that from my dogs, but I suppose it's possible.
[19:47] <nonau> ochosi:  The ruler in Abiword goes from grey to black with theme from git as well.
[21:04] <bogner17> Hello folks
[21:29] <ochosi> nonau: the ruler in abiword is broken, it's not greybird's fault
[21:30] <ochosi> nonau: unfortunately it's known, it's an unstable version of abiword...
[21:31] <micahg> which is again unfortunate
[21:31] <ochosi> mr_pouit: what about the gtk-scale?
[21:31] <ochosi> micahg: +1
[21:32] <micahg> there's a new snapshot in Debian, I can backport it if people want to test it
[21:34] <ochosi> of abiword?
[21:34] <micahg> yeah
[21:35] <knome> derr
[21:36] <knome> the logo in xubuntu.org is for some really weird reason not aligned.
[21:36] <knome> i am *sure* i checked that
[21:36] <ochosi> micahg: yeah, could be worth a try
[21:36] <knome> pleia2, you here?
[21:36] <micahg> ochosi: ok, once a test build completes, I'll backport to my PPA
[21:37] <ochosi> micahg: cool!
[21:37] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: hey there, how's it goin? still busy as ... ?
[21:37] <leo-unglaub> as hell....sadly yes
[21:37] <leo-unglaub> huge project deadline moves...
[21:37] <leo-unglaub> and i am the guy who has to fix is
[21:37] <leo-unglaub> ...
[21:37] <ochosi> wow ok
[21:38] <pleia2> knome: not for long
[21:38] <pleia2> ooh pretty
[21:38] <knome> right
[21:39] <knome> pleia2, do you think it's okay to wait with the branding article until b2?
[21:39] <knome> pleia2, also, what do you want to do with the pingbacks?
[21:39] <pleia2> yeah I think that's fine
[21:39] <pleia2> we should disable pingbacks
[21:39] <knome> that's not possible...
[21:39] <knome> at least not trivially
[21:39] <knome> pingbacks are in a way interesting
[21:39] <knome> they could lead us to "xubuntu in the press" -stuff
[21:40] <knome> it would be great to gather them to one place though
[21:40] <knome> that would be possible with a template in the theme
[21:40] <knome> (find any pingbacks on any post, and order by date, and for example, show 20 newest)
[21:40] <pleia2> ah
[21:40] <pleia2> hmm
[21:41] <knome> bah, we could even make that a shortcode so we could use that on the "press" frontpage
[21:41] <knome> that's more/as trivial than disabling pingbacks
[21:41] <knome> *than/as :)
[21:41] <pleia2> :)
[21:42] <knome> otoh, looks like some of the pingbacks aren't so interesting
[21:42] <knome> so that would need some work when approving/deleting
[21:42] <knome> but i don't think that's a problem, since there is really no rush in approving those, just do it when you log in :)
[21:44] <leo-unglaub> are you talking about http://xubuntu.org/ ?
[21:44] <knome> leo-unglaub, y
[21:46] <knome> i will look into it now, probably quickly write a mockup to start building on
[21:47]  * pleia2 train
[21:48] <knome> pleia2, see you later, and keep on having fun
[21:49] <micahg> ochosi: abiword snapshot uploaded to ppa:micahg/ppa, should build in ~1hr
[21:49] <micahg> if this fixes enough issues, I'll take care of shepherding it into precise
[21:50] <knome> :)
[21:54] <knome> mr_pouit, ?
[22:00] <nonau> ochosi:  Understood about the Abiword issue.  As for the password prompt having white text, what reason is there for that?
[22:06] <ochosi> micahg: sweet, i'll check it out (tomorrow)
[22:06] <ochosi> nonau: hm, i didn't read that before, what password prompt?
[22:15] <Pjotr> Hello, I wish to report a problem with alacarte menu editor, which is part of Xubuntu 12.04
[22:15] <Pjotr> It's untranslatable, just like lightdm-gtk-greeter was (until mr_pouit fixed it at Launchpad)
[22:16] <micahg> Pjotr: things in universe aren't translatable in launchpad
[22:16] <micahg> so, that's the case with most of the xubuntu packages
[22:17] <Pjotr> OK.... where can I translate it then? Not in the Xfce project, of which I'm a translator as well...
[22:18] <knome> Pjotr, upstream
[22:19] <Pjotr> googled it, but can't find it....
[22:19] <nonau> ochosi: The gksu? prompt before launching synaptic.
[22:20] <micahg> Pjotr: I think alacarte is part of GNOME
[22:20] <ochosi> nonau: aha. were you using the gtk3.3 branch?
[22:20] <knome> micahg, it is
[22:20] <ochosi> nonau: (i think i forgot to tell you that..)
[22:21] <nonau> ochosi: I simply downloaded the tarball of the master git.  I don't recall anything about you mentioning gtk 3.3.
[22:22] <ochosi> nonau: oh, sorry then. master doesn't work well in precise. there were quite a few not-backward compatible changes in gtk3.3, so i created a separate branch for that in github
[22:23] <Pjotr> micahg: OK, I'll see what I can do then.... Thanks for the info.
[22:25] <nonau> ochosi: Where do I download this gtk 3.3 branch then?
[22:27] <ochosi> nonau: i think this should work: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/gtk3.3
[22:30] <nonau> ochosi: Thank you.  gksu and the grey rulers are back thanks to that. :)
[22:31] <nonau> Now if I could remember how to make Synaptic use newly downloaded themes...
[22:32] <ochosi> sudo rm -r /usr/share/themes/Greybird && sudo mv Greybird /usr/share/themes ;)
[22:34] <nonau> thank you
[22:34] <ochosi> np
[22:46] <astraljava> knome: I'm a little behind on bugs, are there some critical or high importance ones that needed some love but aren't getting any?
[22:46] <knome> i don't know of any concerning xubuntu, but you might want to check with micahg or mr_pouit
[22:47] <micahg> no idea, I have enough of my own bugs ATM :)
[22:47] <astraljava> Heheh. :)
[22:47] <knome> there's probably nothing too critical
[22:47] <astraljava> Ok, I'll just look around in mail and LP, then.
[23:08] <knome> micahg, ?
[23:08] <micahg> knome: what?
[23:09] <knome> micahg, do you know how to revert the images-on-dark-bg feature on FF?
[23:09] <micahg> feature?
[23:09] <micahg> AIUI, it was a bug that was fixed
[23:09] <knome> well, they used to be shown on white bg
[23:10] <knome> i'm on oneiric
[23:10] <knome> am i missing something?
[23:11] <micahg> oh, right :)
[23:11] <knome> i understood it's a *feature* that's why said so... :)
[23:12]  * micahg thought you were referring to the thunderbird thing
[23:12] <knome> no, since when would FF started meaning TB?
[23:12] <knome> :)
[23:12] <micahg> since I appear to be half asleep :0
[23:13] <knome> heh
[23:13] <micahg> nope, doesn't appear to be a way at present
[23:14] <knome> fsst :<
[23:14] <knome> that's a really bad change, really..
[23:14] <knome> i am sure there is a bugreport for this though
[23:15] <knome> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376997
[23:16] <micahg> knome: BTW, you're not the first person to complain about it, that was the bug that was fixed
[23:17] <knome> aha...
[23:17] <micahg> you can file a feature request to make it controllable and block that bug if you like
[23:18] <knome> "block" ?:)
[23:19] <micahg> there's a blocks field when you file a bug, it just means that if the blocked bug is backed out, then this should be too
[23:20] <knome> i both understand and don't :)
[23:26] <mr_pouit> *g*, it takes so much time to test bild artwork package because of optipng :<
[23:26] <knome> heh
[23:26] <mr_pouit> ochosi: gtk-scale? where do I test that?
[23:26] <knome> mr_pouit, are you uploading the greeter badge and the ligthdm logo? (:
[23:27] <mr_pouit> in a few minutes (when my test build ends)
[23:27] <ochosi> mr_pouit: e.g. in pavucontrol
[23:27] <ochosi> i don't know many other places
[23:27] <ochosi> especially for vertical scales, i don't know of any app that uses it (so it's untested)
[23:27] <mr_pouit> oh, ok, I'll try that tomorrow
[23:28] <ochosi> ty
[23:28] <mr_pouit> I guess I'll upload a new revision of shimmer-themes tomorrow evening
[23:28] <ochosi> have you by any chance tested the power-notifications?
[23:28] <mr_pouit> I didn't touch elementary-xfce recently :]
[23:28] <knome> mr_pouit, mmh, we got two days more time, so until thu
[23:29] <knome> debian-cd is fixed \o/
[23:29] <knome> ochosi, we should look into making our slideshow less tall for P+1...
[23:29] <knome> ochosi, it's not fitting notebooks currently
[23:30] <ochosi> meh
[23:30] <ochosi> ok
[23:30] <ochosi> or do a new on
[23:30] <ochosi> e
[23:30] <knome> ochosi, we *could* fix that for P already, but that would most probably mean smaller text size
[23:30] <knome> ochosi, or smaller screenshots...
[23:30] <ochosi> smaller font would be ok imo
[23:30] <ochosi> it's still far larger than most text on the screen, and people can read those things too
[23:31] <knome> how do you feel about the screenshots being cut from the bottom then?
[23:31] <knome> we need like 95px more space...
[23:31] <ochosi> wow, that's quite a bit
[23:31] <ochosi> how come?
[23:31] <knome> the height is 550 now
[23:31] <mr_pouit> astraljava: no critical crash that I'm aware of for xfce (but I didn't check recently reported private bugs, lp doesn't notify us about them...)
[23:31] <knome> plus, window borders, plus the progress bar
[23:33] <ochosi> mr_pouit: well yeah, but you still could've pulled the latest rev from git to your vm :}
[23:34] <ochosi> (just sayin ;) )
[23:35] <mr_pouit> you didn't ask, so I tried to be lazy ;>
[23:36] <ochosi> hehe
[23:36] <knome> hah
[23:37] <ochosi> what are the chances of a physical install of a daily 64bit image to be successful?
[23:37] <knome> 90%+ ?
[23:37] <ochosi> hm, sounds good enough
[23:37] <mr_pouit> unless ubiquity suddendly broke, 99% ? :P
[23:38] <ochosi> then i'll delete my testing-vm now and try that physical install
[23:38] <ochosi> far better for testing anyway
[23:38] <ochosi> swoosh, and it's gone
[23:40] <ochosi> hmm, downloading takes far longer...
[23:40] <knome> ha
[23:40] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'll go through the sound tests now, how long will you be available tonight?
[23:40] <ochosi> (i might need some guidance here or there)
[23:41] <mr_pouit> 5~10 minutes (waiting for xubuntu-artwork 12.04.5 to show up on precise-changes@)
[23:41] <mr_pouit> after that I really need to sleep
[23:42] <ochosi> hmm, ok
[23:42] <ochosi> so just very quickly:
[23:42] <ochosi> first i'll test the mute-thing. but i'm sure unmute won't work
[23:42] <knome> ochosi, we'd need to redo the desktop-slide image
[23:42] <knome> ochosi, that doesn't really fit in...
[23:43] <mr_pouit> ochosi: with the (non-existing) default settings?
[23:43] <ochosi> then i try the proposed change from the bugreport (set xfce4-mixer active-card to pulseaudio)
[23:43] <mr_pouit> I guess it won't work, indeed
[23:43] <mr_pouit> yes
[23:43] <ochosi> then i check whether xfce4-mixer still works and whether it pops up notifications
[23:43] <ochosi> is that it, or shall i uninstall pulseaudio totally as well and see whether that solves anything? :)
[23:44] <mr_pouit> open xfce4-mixer > change the volume using media keys > check that xfce4-mixer reflects the change too
[23:44] <ochosi> mhm
[23:44] <mr_pouit> open xfce4-mixer > change the volume and check that a notification appears
[23:45] <mr_pouit> I guess if they both work as expected, that's perfect
[23:45] <ochosi> and if not?
[23:45] <mr_pouit> (I don't have pulseaudio on debian, and it solves everything :P)
[23:46] <ochosi> i was afraid that would solve everything..
[23:46] <mr_pouit> ochosi: if not, then gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio still sucks, and I'm not sure what's the right decision for precise :<
[23:46] <ochosi> it was an odd (and imo hasty and uninformed) decision of charlie to install that by default...
[23:47] <ochosi> mkay, live-stick is almost ready
[23:47] <mr_pouit> we don't install willingly pulseaudio by default
[23:47] <ochosi> in fact i could even test this in the live-environment
[23:48] <ochosi> we don't?
[23:48] <ochosi> i thought that was a conscious decision
[23:48] <ochosi> so what triggers that then?
[23:48] <mr_pouit> there's no "*pulse*" string in the seeds
[23:48] <mr_pouit> ubuntu uses pulseaudio by default, so something is pulling it for us too
[23:48] <ochosi> meh
[23:49] <ochosi> ok
[23:49] <ochosi> i see
[23:49] <knome> but pulseaudio isn't too bad nowadays, is it?
[23:49] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Ok, thanks!
[23:49] <ochosi> booting into live-system now, brb
[23:50] <mr_pouit> knome: xubuntu-artwork 12.04.5 uploaded (lightdm + badge with the new logo)
[23:50] <knome> \o/
[23:51] <knome> that should be it for the logos
[23:52] <ochosi> back
[23:52] <mr_pouit> knome: pulse isn't too bad I think, but it doesn't interact well with xfce4-{mixer,volumed} right now
[23:53] <mr_pouit> ochosi: fyi, at least indicator-sound-gtk2 depends on pulseaudio
[23:53] <ochosi> mr_pouit: if thats the only thing we could skip it imo
[23:54] <ochosi> but anyway...
[23:54] <ochosi> starting the sound-tests now
[23:54] <ochosi> (oh how i hate us kb-layout)
[23:55] <knome> heh
[23:56] <ochosi> ok, i need to install, otherwise i can't easily restart the session
[23:57]  * knome read "restart the simon"
[23:57] <ochosi> maybe/ubiquity isn't very pretty
[23:58] <knome> we might be okay with 470, if that's good for netbooks
[23:58]  * knome is getting somebody to test that


[00:30] <fathidevops> hello all
 Why Firefox autoupdates on its own? I though that it is controlled by `apt`. … But, at worst possible time, it stops allowing me to open new tabs.
[06:55] <guiverc> @matkoniecz, are you using the default Firefox (maintained by Ubuntu Firefox team) or snap (maintained by Mozilla themselves)
[06:57] <guiverc> Note: I've not noticed firefox update itself ; but it does report it should update itself automatically https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/update-firefox-latest-release
[06:58] <guiverc> though that page implies for Linux it'll update with the package repository
 @guiverc [<guiverc> @matkoniecz, are you using the default Firefox (maintained by Ubuntu F …], Whatever is installed by `apt-get` (`sudo apt-get install firefox` confirms that it is installed this way, probably from default OS config)
[07:03] <guiverc> mine is that too (default system install; 82.0), I don't have any helpful ideas though, i don't really notice mine upgrading..
[13:33] <Guest83706> hi, i have finished installation of lubuntu on my old laptop (Compaq) but after first restart lubuntu does not boot (no calid boot disk). any ideas?
 @Guest83706 [<Guest83706> hi, i have finished installation of lubuntu on my old laptop (Compa …], What is the exact full error message if one appeared?
 Usually screenshot is good, in that case photo of a screen also would be ok
[18:04] <juvas> hello
[18:06] <jimgal> tana houi a ta sounta ta kerasounta
[18:07] <jimgal> ta na mania ta afrikania
[20:40] <krytarik> @matkoniecz, guiverc: I only get that out of nowhere since I got unattended-upgrade enabled - but I thought on Ubuntu it wasn't by default..
[20:50] <wxl> actually this is by design apparently https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/9s78fh/sick_of_getting_restart_required/
 @wxl [<wxl> actually this is by design apparently https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/com …], "You can either configure your system's package manager to update manually, and then only do those updates when you're in a position to restart Firefox (or while Firefox is not actively running), or you can install the Firefox package directl
[22:10] <wxl> unlikely. how did you do it?
 Yeah, … Start menu | Preferences | Software sources | Updates | Automatic updates … was configured to automatically apply security updates. I now disabled this.
[22:11] <wxl> that doesn't necessarily do anything either
[22:11] <wxl> you could get an update not related to security
[22:11] <wxl> and honestly, i wouldn't turn off your security updates
[22:12] <wxl> the one way to ensure it never does this is to remove the firefox package and install it from mozilla.org
 Other updates were already not configured to install on their own. … And I install updates quite often.
[22:12] <wxl> firefox is the one example of this problem
[23:40] <guiverc> what starts up ibus?  (https://askubuntu.com/questions/1287820/japanese-input-doesnt-work-on-20-04)  it doesn't look like I'd have issues on my primary box (hirsute) but a focal box I booted is as OP describes
[23:44] <wxl> we don't ship ibus
[23:47] <wxl> we use fcitx
[23:48] <wxl> ibus is an input method, as is fcitx
[23:48] <wxl> having multiple input methods is a recipe for disaster
[23:48] <guiverc> thanks wxl, I've responded with something using LXQt so I'll wait for a response
[23:49] <guiverc> I'll look some more into fcitx & an alternative..
[23:49] <wxl> they want mozc i see, which the fcitx-mozc package provides
[23:50] <wxl> not installed by default
[23:50] <wxl> i could totally imagine what happened: they didn't have the input methods they wanted, searched for the answer, which suggested ibus, etc.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/T113
[23:51] <wxl> right right
 How to install japanese with fcitx
[23:54] <wxl> speaking of that, fcitx-anthy is another input method for japanese
[23:54] <wxl> as is fcitx-kkc
[23:54] <wxl> so i mean really i don't think we can possibly make it easy to install someone's input method
[23:55] <wxl> even if you can figure out their language, there's still the question of how they prefer to input it


[12:20] <ddaa> wow! colors in the pending branches summary!
[12:21] <ddaa> looking at the diff now
[12:21] <ddaa> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/tim/launchpad/spec-branches/full-diff
[12:22] <ddaa> so... one of the things we agreed on with tim
[12:22] <ddaa> was _not_ to make spec branches look like bugbranches
[12:22] <jamesh> okay
[12:22] <ddaa> in particular, the rule of thumb was "no YAGNI"
[12:22] <ddaa> so, no bugbranch status
[12:22] <ddaa> uh
[12:22] <ddaa> no specbranch lifecycle
[12:23] <ddaa> specificationbranch.summary was added on poolie's request
[12:23] <ddaa> we also decided to make the specbranch page a form
[12:24] <jamesh> so this would be used for comments related to the connection as opposed to spec.whiteboard or branch.whiteboard
[12:24] <ddaa> yes
[12:25] <ddaa> the sort of thing you'd display in body of the spec page and the branch page
[12:25] <ddaa> so, unlike the rest of launchpad, where every object has one read-only _page_ and a number of forms, we decided to have a single form for spec branch that allows editing the details _and_ deleting the spec-branch.
[12:25] <jamesh> so, the main things needed is the browser code, then?
[12:27] <ddaa> right... the form declaration in the zcml is commented out
[12:27] <ddaa> note that defaultView is +status
[12:28] <jamesh> so who should be able to edit what?
[12:28] <ddaa> no comment on specificationbranch.summary too
[12:28] <ddaa> mh
[12:28] <jamesh> +      <require
[12:28] <jamesh> +          permission="launchpad.AnyPerson"
[12:28] <jamesh> +          set_attributes="summary" />
[12:28] <ddaa> I guess the answer would be something "who has the right to edit spec details"
[12:28] <jamesh> is that accurate?
[12:28] <ddaa> but I'm at a complete loss with the spec permission scheme...
[12:30] <ddaa> mh...
[12:30] <ddaa> it's fine with me
[12:30] <ddaa> do you have a better suggestion?
[12:31] <jamesh> if the idea is to have a single form, and be able to delete the link from there, that sounds fine
[12:31] <jamesh> no need to handle changing the branch or spec fields of the link
[12:31] <ddaa> right
[12:32] <jamesh> It does leave the question of who should be allowed to delete the link though
[12:32] <ddaa> the same as who is allowed to create it :)
[12:32] <ddaa> just "any authenticated user" seems fine to me
[12:33] <jamesh> do we base that on the specification permissions then?
[12:33] <ddaa> I have do not grok spec permissions
[12:33] <ddaa> I guess that to preserve the current level of permission it should be "whoever is able to edit the spec whiteboard"
[12:34] <jamesh> yep
[12:34] <jamesh> spec.whiteboard has launchpad.AnyPerson permission
[12:35] <ddaa> then go for it
[12:36] <ddaa> To add a spec-branch, we also need at least one form. We have a branch vocabulary that can be restricted per product. I'm in favour of using the unrestricted branch vocabulary.
[12:36] <ddaa> and put the form in the context of the spec
[12:38] <ddaa> the add form should redirect to the context object (not the specbranch form), and allow setting the summary directly.
[12:38] <ddaa> while you are at it, it would be nice if the branch vocabulary could be extended to recognise the canonical url of branches in launchpad.
[12:39] <jamesh> you mean the bazaar.launchpad.net ones?
[12:39] <ddaa> initially, we do not need the ability to create a spec-branch from the branch page
[12:39] <ddaa> jamesh: I mean launchpad.net/people ones
[12:40] <ddaa> so people can find branches by browsing around, and copy-paste the url of the page, I remember I tried it myself in the past :)
[12:40] <ddaa> but that's arguably an orthogonal change
[12:41] <ddaa> That all I can think of right now.
[12:41] <ddaa> Keep it as simple as possible, and maybe a bit more simple than that if you can get away with it.
[12:42] <ddaa> Any question?
[12:45] <jamesh> nope.  I think that covers it
[12:46] <ddaa> Okay. Thank you for your help.


[01:29] <bluesabre> ochosi, something to come back to in 19.10... GNOME's new icons are pretty bad at smaller resolutions, we'll probably want to add our own for gnome-fonts and gnome-mines
[02:22] <bluesabre> lots of changes since cosmic, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/disco_changes
[02:24] <bluesabre> oh, ubuntu-mono finally got a reasonable package version update (from 16.10+18.10.20181005-0ubuntu1 in cosmic to 19.04-0ubuntu1	in disco)
[02:35] <Unit193> Wooohooo!
[05:45] <flocculant> ochosi: I previously had display power enabled - still did the same thing - xset -q shows this for screensaver > timeout:  300    cycle:  300
[05:45] <flocculant> which I assume is 5 minutes and we'll ignore what you want?
[05:49] <flocculant> ochosi: one other thing - this all suddenly started happening over the last couple of weeks - so it's something 'we' did to my system, I've not been about long enough to do anything to change it myself
[06:25] <flocculant> ochosi: last annoying ping then ... so with display management enabled and presentation mode set to on - we turn my display off
[06:25] <flocculant> installing Ubuntu :D
[09:10] <bluesabre> knome, confirming that the wiki seems to be dead
[09:14] <bluesabre> knome, https://dev.xubuntu.org/ also looks... unwell
[09:15] <knome> weird
[09:16] <knome> i made some changes yesterday -- but nothing that should affect things like this
[09:16] <knome> meh
[09:16] <knome> but let's see..
[09:17] <knome> i retract my statement
[09:17] <Unit193> Duuude, learn to )
[09:17] <knome> there was a parenthesis missing
[09:17] <knome> yeaaaah
[09:17] <knome> but dev still misses the stylesheet
[09:18] <knome> what's that about?
[09:19] <knome> oh
[09:19] <knome> http
[09:19] <knome> there we go
[09:19] <knome> sigh
[09:21] <knome> it's all fixed now
[09:21] <knome> we really should get this all running under wordpress so we didn't have to maintain custom code for stuff
[09:24] <Unit193> So, ran updates too.
[09:26] <knome> thanks
[09:27] <bluesabre> thanks knome and Unit193!
[09:28] <Unit193> (I didn't do it, knome beat me.)
[09:28] <bluesabre> I retract my statement
[09:28] <bluesabre> there was a Unit193 missing
[09:29] <bluesabre> Going to try to bust out a quick 19.04 beta release note
[09:29] <knome> updates?
[09:29] <knome> i think that was pleia2
[09:31] <knome> i try to avoid server maintenance :P
[09:31] <Unit193> I'm still under the impression I'm the backup Just in Case™
[09:32] <knome> well, pleia2 has a kid now
[09:32] <knome> so you might want to change your impression ;)
[09:37] <astraljava> We don't really know whether Unit193 has kids, too, do we? I mean, [s]he's not that open about [his|her] personal life. :p
[09:37] <Unit193> Unfortunately, I'm not as much of a closed book as one might think.
[09:38] <astraljava> Oh ok, well then, maybe some people do know. :)
[10:34] <bluesabre> We should package https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce-announce/2019-February/000671.html for disco
[10:39] <Unit193> Done.
[10:40] <bluesabre> Cool
[10:40] <bluesabre> WIP release notes: https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/19.04/release-notes
[10:41] <Unit193> Is this safe to push, considering beta freeze?
[10:43] <bluesabre> Should be. I think the archive is frozen and somebody will have to release it manually.
[10:48] <Unit193> OK, pushed.
[10:50] <bluesabre> thanks Unit193
[10:53] <Unit193> Did we push weather?
[10:53] <Unit193> And sure thing, I guess we'll see if it gets in.
[10:54] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/disco/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin/+changelog
[10:55] <Unit193> ...Shoulda put your name on it. >_<
[10:55] <bluesabre> nahhhh
[10:56] <bluesabre> I've marked our image ready, and linked our release notes on #ubuntu-release, so I think we should be good to go for today
[10:57] <Unit193> Thanks for writing those too!
[11:04] <Unit193> Need more SASL.
[11:04] <bluesabre> Yeah
[11:05] <bluesabre> Also, some combination of znc/hexchat/+r poorly handles disconnects. Had to restart znc to get back into debian-xfce and other channels
[11:27] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 19.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[11:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, if you have the ability to push https://sources.debian.org/src/gigolo/0.4.90-1/debian/patches/ ?
[11:35] <Unit193> (Xubuntu core hasn't been tested yet, won't be able to until much later today.)
[14:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: please create the corresponding issues against elementary-xfce, i can try to fix that for 19.10
[14:41] <pleia2> I still do regular updates to the dev server, but I haven't done them in a few weeks
[17:34] <flocculant> knome: did you do something - or is it just working now and was local?
[17:35] <flocculant> ochosi: well - I'm now trying to see what happens if I purge xfce4-screensaver and use light-locker instead
[17:37] <flocculant> knome: never mind - missing lines from logs here for some reason - found missing bits on irclogs.u.c
[18:02] <flocculant> ochosi: wasn't that then ... very annoying
[18:12] <oleks> Hi, I was wondering, is there a way to change the "Please unlock disk"-text when booting into an Xubuntu with full disk encryption?
[18:13] <oleks> wandering*
[18:13] <flocculant> wondering was right :)
[18:14] <oleks> true
[18:15] <flocculant> oleks: it'll likely be a string in a file somewhere - which you might be able to change - try using grep -R "search string" - I looked here but as I don't have encryption I don't have the file
[18:22] <ochosi> flocculant: okeydokey
[18:25] <flocculant> ochosi: not sure what's causing it - can't find anything in /home relatable - last option will be to nuke .xfce stuff and see - would rather not though lol
[18:25] <ochosi> how about just creating a new user?
[18:25] <ochosi> you can easily delete it again later
[18:25] <ochosi> then you don't have to mess with your settings
[18:31] <oleks> flocculant: it occurs in /usr/share/cryptsetup/initramfs/bin/cryptroot-unlock, /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/cryptroot, and /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions
[18:35] <flocculant> ochosi: true
[18:35] <flocculant> ochosi: I stopped thinking about things like this lately lol - catches me out all over again ...
[18:39] <flocculant> oleks: ok - I'm just going to do a test install for tomorrow's beta - I'll do an encrypt test - and see if it goes horribly wrong changing the string
[18:39] <ochosi> hehe, sure
[18:39] <flocculant> ochosi: ;)
[18:46] <oleks> flocculant: I'm fine testing, it's a fresh install
[18:47] <oleks> I just need to know how to reinstall initramfs after changing its configurations
[18:48] <flocculant> no idea without looking
[19:25] <flocculant> ochosi: checked a new user - works as expected
[19:26] <flocculant> I'll dig a bit deeper next week - or just nuke me
[20:41] <ochosi> flocculant: ok nice
[22:02] <Unit193> Xubuntu Core hit https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=892010
[22:10] <Unit193> As noted by Emery Fletcher, not me.
[22:47] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 19.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.


[04:59] <knome> madnick, mmm... good morning! i just installed a new psu!
[05:00] <knome> (on other words, a very late evening to you all)
[05:01] <pleia2> morning, knome :)
[05:02] <Unit193> Good night pleia2 , knome (not going to sleep, just a greeting)
[05:02] <pleia2> night Unit193
[05:06] <knome> hehe
[05:06] <knome> i just made a decision, that i'll never ever buy a non-modular psu again
[05:07] <pleia2> modular++
[05:07] <knome> of course, i'm (probably) forced to do that on the next occasion, but as far as i can choose..
[05:07] <pleia2> I learned that the hard way too
[05:07] <knome> didn't learn that the hard way really
[05:07] <knome> that was my first ever self-installed PSU's
[05:07] <pleia2> oh :)
[05:08] <knome> upgraded from 450W to 650W, and now all the devices are turned on every boot
[05:08] <knome> (yay)
[05:08] <pleia2> hehe, that's good
[05:08] <knome> yeah, that's kind of nice :P
[05:08] <Unit193> Eh, you don't need a CD drive...
[05:08] <Unit193> Or a HDD
[05:09] <knome> actually, the problem was that the sound card was not turned on every boot
[05:09] <knome> no problems with other devices at all.
[05:09] <pleia2> I bet that was fun to debug
[05:10] <knome> boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, gmb, play, BLAH, boot, "oh, i have sound"
[05:10] <knome> i think my record was 9 boots.
[05:10] <knome> you can imagine i also hit the fsck boot quite often..
[05:11] <pleia2> heh
[05:11] <knome> well of course i cancelled, but..
[05:11] <knome> i'm wondering what my next move will be
[05:11] <knome> sleep won't work, that will end up with zombie-knome for the rest of the day
[05:11] <knome> a shower and some more food might do
[05:12] <pleia2> :)
[05:12] <knome> any more alcohol will also probably fail...
[05:13] <pleia2> lol
[05:14] <pleia2> only if it's with orange juice, that makes it healthy and breakfasty
[05:15] <knome> rum with orange juice? :|
[05:15] <knome> though i don't think we have any orange juice
[05:15] <pleia2> usually it would be vodka or sparkling wine
[05:16] <knome> the only alcohol there is is rum
[05:16] <knome> and a bottle of beer preserved for special occasion
[05:16] <knome> and that's got nothing to do with orange juice.
[05:16] <pleia2> indeed
[05:17] <knome> i think the next step is updating my beerlog
[05:17] <pleia2> beerlog++
[05:18] <knome> huh, this was definitely night of crazy ideas
[05:18] <knome> we went to shop to buy a new PS3 controller for a friend, just so we could play a game with three players
[05:19] <knome> (i also bought the PSU on the same trip)
[05:19] <pleia2> hehe
[05:19]  * knome 's beerlog for this year is at http://wiki.knome.fi/olut:2011
[05:21] <pleia2> I had Innis & Gunn for the first time recently
[05:21] <knome> the rum cask version is fabulous
[05:22] <knome> we ended the beer-drinking night today with that
[05:22] <knome> then went to rum
[05:22] <knome> :P
[05:22] <pleia2> nicely done
[05:22] <knome> also, if you can get your hands on one of those longer matured bottles, they are very fantastic too
[05:22] <knome> (i&g)
[05:23] <pleia2> I haven't looked for it around here (was in canada visiting my sister when I had it)
[05:23] <knome> mm-hmm
[05:24] <knome> what did you think of it, btw? :P
[05:24] <knome> i instantly thought you'd love it
[05:24] <pleia2> I liked it, the one I had was very vanillay
[05:24] <knome> they all have that sameish aroma
[05:24] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5774149187/
[05:25] <pleia2> the blonde
[05:25] <knome> blonde? i've never had that
[05:25] <knome> how much alc vol%
[05:25] <pleia2> the internet says 6%
[05:25] <knome> mm-hmmm
[05:26] <knome> the rum cask and the original have more
[05:26] <pleia2> yeah, 6 is on the low end of what I typically enjoy
[05:26] <knome> i think that actually even improves it, without having had the "lighter" version
[05:32] <knome> oki, beerlog updated :)
[10:26] <knome> madnick, shall we look at the theme stuff later today?
[10:26] <madnick> knome: yes please :D
[10:27] <knome> madnick, didn't go to summer cottage this weekend to be able to get some free time with these
[10:27] <madnick> :)
[10:27] <knome> i need to eat first, a friend is coming over for that in an hour or so, and after that i'm free
[10:27] <knome> (before that, i think i'll do some work with other things)
[10:28] <madnick> okay, ill be here, if not, just highlight me :)
[10:29] <knome> sure, great
[10:31] <madnick> I hope the oneiric cd's work today, have not been able to test the lightdm theme :<
[10:37] <knome> :|
[10:55] <knome> bbl
[11:56] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft6.png
[12:03] <madnick> oh, yes, password shouldnt have < > ;(
[13:31] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:31] <madnick> morning
[13:31] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do you have time to see why the desktop image is failing to build?
[13:33] <charlie-tca> madnick: how goes the lightdm screen?
[13:37] <madnick> charlie-tca: ill paste a screesshot, let me just fire up the testmode :)
[13:38] <charlie-tca> astraljava: gilir from lubuntu is fixing the issues with Users and Groups for derivatives
[13:38] <madnick> charlie-tca: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft7.png
[13:39] <knome> madnick, that looks realy good. can we maybe make the text on the boxes lighter?
[13:39] <madnick> Should I add "Select session" to make it clearer?
[13:39] <madnick> knome: yes sure
[13:39] <knome> i don't think "select session" is needed
[13:39] <charlie-tca> That looks good
[13:39] <knome> "session" is already quite descriptive
[13:39] <charlie-tca> If the text is lighter, will it disappear?
[13:39] <madnick> nope
[13:39] <knome> charlie-tca, no, it will stand out more
[13:40] <charlie-tca> knome, madnick : agreed on session
[13:40] <charlie-tca> already descriptive enough
[13:40] <knome> either you know what session is or then don't "select" doesn't really help
[13:40] <charlie-tca> up
[13:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[13:40] <knome> and might confuse, if you think you always need to select something :)
[13:40] <madnick> Im setting up a dev environment on Oneiric now
[13:40] <charlie-tca> It's just the icon alone that left me confused as to what I needed for a session
[13:41] <madnick> to test this
[13:41] <knome> madnick, from which icon theme are those icons? elementary?
[13:41] <madnick> knome: yes
[13:41] <madnick> from elementary
[13:41] <knome> okay. i'll give you better icons soonish, based on those
[13:41] <madnick> okay
[13:41] <knome> also, i think the arrows work like this as well (no special reason to make them up/down)
[13:42] <madnick> knome: i thought that it might be too small to click on
[13:42] <knome> can you bold them (does that make any difference to the looks?)
[13:42] <madnick> if they where ^
[13:42] <knome> yeah
[13:42] <knome> they arent exactly large now either
[13:42] <madnick> Nope, but they are spread out
[13:42] <madnick> So you cant click on wrong :P
[13:42] <knome> so there is some invisible, but clickable padding?
[13:42] <charlie-tca> With them on both ends this way, there is less chance of hitting the wrong one
[13:43] <madnick> knome: there could be
[13:43] <knome> madnick, that would be nice. that could even spread to the border of the screen
[13:43] <madnick> :)
[13:43] <knome> madnick, then it would be REALLY easy to hit one of those
[13:43] <knome> if that's too hard, just forget it, but some padding would definitely be ++
[13:44] <madnick> oki, but knome shall we work on plymouth?
[13:44] <knome> charlie-tca, does the accessibility icon definitely need the blue circle, or would it work without it as well?
[13:44] <knome> sure, i'll just work those icons out now, so we can get lightdm finished now
[13:45] <knome> at least from the graphical side
[13:45] <madnick> lightdm needs more C code, but the UI
[13:45] <madnick> yeah
[13:45] <madnick> :P
[13:45] <knome> do you remember those icon paths/names from the top of your head?
[13:45] <madnick> yes
[13:46] <knome> shoot
[13:46] <charlie-tca> Internationally recognized symbol for accessibility is the man in a cirlce,
[13:46] <madnick> /usr/share/icons/elementary/apps/32$
[13:46] <madnick> -$ :)
[13:46] <knome> thanks
[13:46] <charlie-tca> so, if we can, it would be best to keep it
[13:46] <knome> charlie-tca, okay, i'll keep it there, but not quite as it is now - i'll let you have a look first
[13:47] <madnick> i really need help packaging plymouth later, because i made my package look like the old plymouth, but im not sure how to "build it", and i get conflicting information from the internet
[13:47] <knome> heh
[13:47] <charlie-tca> knome: can make it an outline instead of shaded circle, too
[13:48] <knome> charlie-tca, i think a circle would work, just a sec
[13:48] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: it should be fixed already (murrine-themes got synced when I was away, so I couldn't upload a fixed xubuntu-artwork right after)
[13:48] <madnick> knome: btw, the high contrast for accessability; it needs to be implemented into the greeter
[13:48] <madnick> And im not sure what high contrast would mean :)
[13:48] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Thanks, will look for them tomorrow to test then
[13:49] <knome> madnick, is it as easy as me telling you which colors to put where?
[13:49] <charlie-tca> madnick: high contrast is just a theme selected for the desktop
[13:49] <madnick> knome: yes it is
[13:49] <knome> oki
[13:49] <charlie-tca> install accessibility themes, gives you "high contrast"  in both appearance and xfwm4
[13:50] <madnick> Yes, I guess I could read the data from that theme
[13:50] <charlie-tca> It changes the displays to white background, black outlines, black text, black icons
[13:51] <charlie-tca> Do you want a screenshot?
[13:52] <madnick> charlie-tca: hm, in lightdm gtk greeter, it changes to dark blue, and like yellowish stuff
[13:52] <charlie-tca> To those who do not need it, it is quite difficult to use
[13:52] <charlie-tca> That will work. It should be very good contrast as opposed to normal
[13:52] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/accessibility_icon.png
[13:52] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_lightdm/shutdown_icon.png
[13:52] <knome> madnick, ^ try those
[13:53] <madnick> knome: okay
[13:53] <knome> madnick, also, add some padding vs. the top and the right edge of screen (maybe sth like 5-7px)
[13:53] <charlie-tca> knome: those are fine
[13:53] <knome> yeah
[13:53] <knome> a bit simpler than the default elementary icons, but fine for the lightdm
[13:54] <knome> madnick, so, the thing with plymouth is... only the progress bar/circle?
[13:54] <knome> or is there something else left to think?
[13:55] <knome> i'm starting to think, just keep the bar going back and forth for now, and fix it in oneiric+1
[13:55] <madnick> :P
[13:55] <knome> no really
[13:55] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft8.png
[13:55] <knome> it's badish, but it's not the end of the world
[13:55] <knome> great!
[13:56] <knome> do you think the icons are maybe a tad big?
[13:56] <madnick> so, keep plymouth as it is?
[13:56] <knome> can i have one more shot of it, and then i can say yes
[13:56] <knome> ;)
[13:56] <madnick> knome: not on a normal screen :P
[13:56] <knome> okay, that's probably true
[13:56] <madnick> knome: 1 more shot?
[13:56] <madnick> ok
[13:56] <knome> yeah
[13:56] <knome> i'm not sure about the lightdm "log in" button either
[13:57]  * madnick thought you meant screenshot :)
[13:57] <knome> it's a bit... weird
[13:57] <knome> yes, screenshot :D
[13:57] <knome> so i can just see that it is fine, really
[13:57] <madnick> what should i change in the ldm
[13:57] <madnick> or did you mean
[13:57] <knome> mmh
[13:57] <madnick> plymouth?
[13:57] <knome> no i meant
[13:57] <knome> 1) can i have a screenshot of plymouth, so i can tell you it's ok
[13:57] <madnick> okay
[13:58] <knome> 2) the lightdm log in -button needs tweaking graphically
[13:58] <madnick> ok, ill setup a new screenshot of plymouth 1 sec
[13:58] <knome> thanks
[13:58] <knome> i'll get something to drink
[13:58] <madnick> err, it uses the old one :)
[13:58] <madnick> 1 sec
[13:59] <knome> heh, no hurry
[14:02] <knome> what does our livecd boot screen look like?
[14:02] <knome> i mean, the equivalent to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Xubuntu_Live_or_install.png
[14:02] <knome> charlie-tca?
[14:04] <madnick> oh holy ... this was hard, i ruined the configs
[14:04] <charlie-tca> That is the menu screen from the desktop cd
[14:04] <knome> ouch? :)
[14:04] <knome> charlie-tca, we still have the same old logo there?
[14:04] <charlie-tca> from there, if you choose the top option, you get plymouth until the live session starts
[14:04] <charlie-tca> yes, we do
[14:04] <knome> ouch...
[14:05] <knome> mr_pouit, madnick: know how to change that? :P
[14:05] <charlie-tca> we have a bug on it, but it may have gotten confused with the "still shows 11.04 logo "  bug
[14:05] <knome> 11.04? ;)
[14:06] <charlie-tca> yes, plymouth in text mode shows "Xubuntu 11.04" with the dots under it
[14:06] <knome> right
[14:06] <charlie-tca> I think mr_pouit fixed that today
[14:06] <knome> heh, okay
[14:06] <knome> but the livecd still uses the old loho?
[14:07] <knome> *logo
[14:07] <charlie-tca> but we still have the old logo on the cd menu, yes
[14:07] <knome> i can export/create one suitable for that today, if somebody tells me the specs
[14:07] <knome> *wink*
[14:07] <charlie-tca> Keep in mind, that is on both images
[14:07] <knome> sure
[14:07] <charlie-tca> alternate and desktop cd use a menu
[14:07] <knome> yeah
[14:07] <knome> the worse it is that we do have the old logo there
[14:08] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/screenie.png
[14:08] <madnick> thats without fsck
[14:08] <madnick> and without prompt
[14:09] <madnick> this is what 99% of users will see 99% of the time
[14:09] <knome> looks fine to me.
[14:09] <madnick> me too :P
[14:09] <charlie-tca> That looks good!
[14:09] <charlie-tca> let's package it
[14:09] <madnick> charlie-tca: question is how :\
[14:09] <madnick> I did a package in 2006 IIRC
[14:09] <madnick> :P
[14:09] <knome> let's file a bug about the progress element not being circular right after UI freeze ;)
[14:09] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: how do we get the new plymouth package ready now?
[14:10] <madnick> knome: :D
[14:10] <knome> i'm serious.
[14:10] <charlie-tca> we need help, mr_pouit
[14:10] <knome> i want that fixed in o+1
[14:10] <charlie-tca> got a new lightdm screen and plymouth for oneiric, but don't know how to get it packaged to put into the images and seeds
[14:11] <charlie-tca> Wishlist, knome
[14:11] <knome> i think i'll just file a high priority bug, assigned to me
[14:11] <knome> ;)
[14:11] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: and we will need a FFe, won't we?
[14:12] <madnick> Someone said we had one for plymouth
[14:12] <knome> a new plymouth/light theme isn't exactly a new feature, is it?
[14:12] <madnick> iirc
[14:12] <madnick> not really a feature
[14:12] <madnick> That is true :P
[14:12] <charlie-tca> Depends on whether or not we ever had one, doesn't it?
[14:13] <knome> as long as we've seeded plymouth before FF, i don't think a new theme makes a new feature, even if we didn't have plymouth in natty
[14:13] <knome> but that's just me, and the ubuntu bureaucracy might think differently
[14:13] <charlie-tca> well, I guess we wait for mr_pouit to give us the answer
[14:14] <knome> in any case, i don't think getting a FFe is too hard
[14:15] <madnick> I need a license dont i :((
[14:15] <madnick> I just GPL it?
[14:15] <madnick> put the standard GPL stuff in there
[14:15] <knome> just use whatever license we've used before
[14:15] <madnick> so GPL
[14:16] <knome> from my POV, it could even be PD, but i think mr_pouit has wanted to use GPL ;)
[14:16] <madnick> Well, there is 1 function i semi stole from the previous script
[14:16] <madnick> the atoi function
[14:16] <knome> heh
[14:16] <madnick> So it will need to be GPL i guess :P
[14:17] <knome> no problem for me.
[14:18] <knome> you will actually need to change one more thing on both plymouth and lightdm.
[14:18] <knome> the wallpaper
[14:18] <madnick> :O
[14:18] <madnick> what shall we use instead?
[14:18] <knome> something i'm working on RIGHT NOW
[14:18] <madnick> oh ^^
[14:19] <madnick> I know what I will make for my personal LightDM screen :))
[14:20] <knome> heh
[14:20] <charlie-tca> No wallpaper change until it has been approved!
[14:20] <knome> heh
[14:20] <knome> yeah
[14:20] <knome> you can approve it right after it's ready! ;)
[14:20] <knome> this is going to be awesome
[14:20] <charlie-tca> madnick: ignore that. We can use it as is
[14:20] <knome> i know it already
[14:20] <knome> what?
[14:20] <knome> :)
[14:20] <knome> i told i was going to work on a wallpaper this weekend
[14:21] <madnick> btw, 1 more thing for LightDM
[14:21] <knome> mm?
[14:21] <madnick> version number from lsb_release
[14:22] <madnick> but that will ahve to be a string
[14:24] <madnick> (todays oneiric had the dev environment tools needed to test lightdm :D)
[14:26] <charlie-tca> Oh, good
[14:46] <charlie-tca> knome: why not finish the website, so we can get it up and running before release of oneiric?
[14:47] <knome> charlie-tca, i do have time today, and tomorrow too. i'm using it all for all this, so i can definitely do both.
[14:54] <charlie-tca> We really need to get the website done, you know it will take IT a while to get it up for us
[14:59] <knome> yes.
[14:59] <knome> i am aware of the whole process we need to go through
[15:11] <charlie-tca> and, yes, I am aware that a really good wallpaper is desireable for this release. Let's see what you can do. But the website should be a priority, please.
[15:12] <charlie-tca> I guess that is one of the key things about Xubuntu, we seldom run the same wallpaper twice :)
[15:13] <madnick> No luck getting --test-mode to run my greeter
[15:13] <madnick> Wasnt there a way of installing greeters in a simple manner?
[15:14] <charlie-tca> The only thing I have is:
[15:14] <charlie-tca> sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --session=xubuntu
[15:14] <charlie-tca> sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --greeter=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:14] <charlie-tca> if you don't want to override any existing settings, add --keep-old
[15:14] <charlie-tca> from mr_pouit
[15:14] <charlie-tca> and it worked to replace the unity-greeter here
[15:15] <madnick> ok, thanks
[15:17] <charlie-tca> so much has changed with lightdm, I am not sure any of the docs are right any more.
[15:17] <mr_pouit> i'm available in ~15 min if you need me :p
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Okay
[15:18] <charlie-tca> yes, we need you
[15:18] <madnick> no, it is a bit of a pain, and even tho there is docs about writing a greeter, some of the source code is plain wrong
[15:18] <madnick> best thing is to look at the example-gtk-greeter
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Wrong because of the recent changes, isn't it?
[15:18] <madnick> Yes to headers
[15:18] <mr_pouit> for the plymouth/lightdm thing, you can either prepare a tarball for me, or a bzr branch, or look in lp:xubuntu-artwork, or we'll see after :P
[15:18] <madnick> And also wrong because of actual typos :P
[15:18] <charlie-tca> madnick: ^  ^
[15:19] <madnick> mr_pouit: ill setup a tarball
[15:19] <charlie-tca> You might have a wallpaper change yet, give it until monday if you can?
[15:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: how do we change the logo used on the cd menus?
[15:19] <charlie-tca> We are still using the old old logo
[15:20] <madnick> Might as well have a tarball ready that just swaps the bg
[15:20] <charlie-tca> knome: ^  ^  okay?
[15:20] <mr_pouit> I filed a bug about that a long time ago, but I forgot about it I guess (and people didn't see it)
[15:20] <knome> sure
[15:20] <charlie-tca> I remembered seeing it, but don't know if I can find it
[15:21] <knome> i think i need to get some more tree-photo-material
[15:25] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-plymouth.tar.gz
[15:26] <madnick> thunder :|
[15:26] <knome> sunshine
[15:26] <madnick> its been raining for 2 days, like *alot* :)
[15:26] <knome> heh
[15:27] <charlie-tca> You have to ping mr_pouit with the url when you are ready to have it added
[15:27] <knome> i'll ping him today, whether we have a new wall or not
[15:28] <madnick> okay :)
[15:32] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: bug 720652 ?
[15:38] <mr_pouit> hehe, that's the one
[15:38] <charlie-tca> I will push it then, starting Monday, and get us an answer
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Hard to get responses from anyone this weekend
[15:39] <mr_pouit> madnick: xubuntu-plymouth-text.plymouth seems identical to the current one
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Oh-oh. That's the one I probably see every boot
[15:40] <mr_pouit> (just to be sure it's normal :p)
[15:42] <mr_pouit> and am I expected to use default.plymouth or xubuntu-plymouth.plymouth for xubuntu-logo? :p
[15:42] <mr_pouit> ^_~
[15:43] <charlie-tca> madnick: mr_pouit asks the tough questions...
[15:46] <mr_pouit> (forget about the second question, but I'd rather be sure about the first one before uploading)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> hm, he's hiding now?
[15:46] <madnick> wait
[15:47] <madnick> ill answer sioon mneed to stop cookoing
[15:47] <madnick> stop cooking*
[15:47] <charlie-tca> heh
[15:47] <charlie-tca> okeydokey
[15:48] <madnick> ok, stove is off
[15:48] <madnick> mr_pouit: yes, it just a version change, it's just the text part, its not themeable
[15:49] <madnick> Its an ascii string
[15:49] <mr_pouit> okay (I uploaded a new xubuntu artwork package this morning with 11.10 instead of 11.04, that's why they're the same then)
[15:49] <madnick> ah :)
[15:50] <mr_pouit> I've renamed xubuntu-plymouth back to xubuntu-logo, as I prefer not to change the existing theme name. I hope you're fine with that
[15:50] <madnick> Sure
[15:51] <madnick> It was just when testing I did not want a conflict with the previous one
[15:51] <madnick> I shouldve packed it differently in the tarball
[15:51] <madnick> I was just in a little rush :)
[15:51] <mr_pouit> that was ok ;-)
[15:51] <mr_pouit> madnick: did you write the script from scratch, or did you reuse something existing?
[15:52] <mr_pouit> (it's for the debian/copyright)
[15:52] <madnick> i rewrote everything except
[15:52] <madnick> the atoi function
[15:53] <madnick> however there is a minor change to it, i dont remember what but its basically the same atoi functino
[15:53] <mr_pouit> mmh, I guess I'll keep the (C) 2009 Canonical Ltd. then :P
[15:53] <madnick> sure
[15:54] <charlie-tca> So, all this means I see the same black screen with Xubuntu 11.10 now?
[15:55] <madnick> hehe, we could change the background color, but i dont see the point :P
[15:56] <madnick> i did not really spend much time with the text version
[15:56] <madnick> i was focused on the graphical one
[15:57] <mr_pouit> well, I put black and white because it was easy to do (and when your screen shows some offset at some low resolutions, it's nice with a black background it's not visible)
[15:57] <mr_pouit> but you can change the colors if you want
[15:58] <mr_pouit> anyway, thanks for the theme, I'll upload right now
[15:58] <charlie-tca> yeah, the current black/white is fine. It is not important enough to spend time on
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Having seen the nightmare that the alternate installer background and lightdm backgrounds become when they start changing colors, I don't think I will be the one to say anything.
[16:01] <mr_pouit> madnick: (last) question: does your theme include some feedback for fsck? (so I can close Bug #775392)
[16:01] <madnick> mr_pouit: yes
[16:01] <mr_pouit> I think it does, I just want to be sure
[16:01] <mr_pouit> nice :)
[16:02] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: are you still affected by Bug #552000 ? I think plymouth will now fallback to the text theme when it can't display the graphical one properly
[16:02] <charlie-tca> The logo is still cloudy on my old machines
[16:03] <charlie-tca> It is a direct result of the way it is drawn, though. If we are not changing every place it exists, we can sign it off as "by design".
[16:03] <charlie-tca> That's what makes the logo bright and shiny looking, too.
[16:04] <charlie-tca> I finally understand why it does it!
[16:08] <knome> charlie-tca, with this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/552000/comments/4 we can fix it, just provide an alternative image for lower bit depths
[16:08] <knome> oh, mr_pouit already commented stuff, blah
[16:09] <mr_pouit> mmh?
[16:09] <knome> nvm
[16:09] <mr_pouit> okay ^_^
[16:10] <charlie-tca> I did provide an alternate image, didn't I?
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Should be attached to the bug report
[16:10] <knome> hmm. is it pixel edited?
[16:11] <charlie-tca> probably
[16:11] <knome> right, we could just export that from the svg file
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I did it in gimp, where I can blow them up and darken each square
[16:11] <charlie-tca> so it becomes a one color image, instead of blended
[16:12] <charlie-tca> You do know you lost me in all this, right?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> My brain is only partially working today, I guess :)
[16:13] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I think knome said he can make it work
[16:13] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/xubuntu_logo_lowdepth.png
[16:13] <knome> charlie-tca, ^ a better replacement image for you
[16:14] <knome> i know it doesn't look like anything, because it's white on white. :P
[16:15] <knome> i just know it can be done technically, i don't know how exactly do that, but steve langasek told it's possible
[16:16] <charlie-tca> I can see it! That's really good, knome
[16:16] <charlie-tca> That is a clear image here, when I put the background black
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Much nicer to see than the other one.
[16:18] <mr_pouit> okay, and what do I do with it? :P
[16:18] <knome> yeah, because it's exported directly from the original vector
[16:20] <mr_pouit> the theme now includes many images
[16:20] <madnick> yup
[16:20] <mr_pouit> so I don't think changing this one only will look as expected
[16:20] <madnick> However quite small ones :)
[16:20] <knome> mr_pouit, you write the code that probes if the bit depth is <32bit, and then use that image instead ;)
[16:21] <mr_pouit> you got the wrong m, use less <tab> :P
[16:21]  * mr_pouit hides
[16:21] <knome> ;)
[16:21] <madnick> That would need to be an external program
[16:21] <charlie-tca> So, now we made more work for mr_pouit ?
[16:21] <knome> or madnick
[16:21] <madnick> That invokes plymouth
[16:22] <charlie-tca> simpler to sign it off as "by design team"
[16:22] <madnick> and sends a status message of screen depth
[16:22] <madnick> :P
[16:22] <knome> madnick, but we are talking about plymouth
[16:22] <knome> ...
[16:23] <madnick> hm, what is it that you want to be done? i didnt quite understand
[16:23] <knome> madnick, use that image for low depth stuff in plymouth, instead of the glowy one
[16:24] <charlie-tca> We want to determine screen depth or something like that, and then switch graphics depending on screen capability
[16:24] <charlie-tca> knome: what if we just used that one for the text version, and the glowing one for the graphics version?
[16:24] <madnick> yes, that would need to be an external call to plymouth with that information
[16:24] <mr_pouit> bits_per_pixel = Window.GetBitsPerPixel ();
[16:24] <mr_pouit> from the ubuntu-logo theme :)
[16:24] <madnick> Oh
[16:24] <knome> heh, there you go
[16:25]  * knome offers mr_pouit a biscuit
[16:25] <madnick> See, the reference did not mention that :)
[16:25] <mr_pouit> maybe it's ubuntu specific
[16:25] <knome> maybe
[16:25] <mr_pouit> (I mean, that would not be the first time they did that)
[16:25] <knome> o'rly
[16:26] <charlie-tca> !cookie
[16:26] <charlie-tca> true enough, Ubuntu does do things just to frustrate the rest of us ;)
[16:28] <mr_pouit> madnick: http://paste.ubuntu.com/671056/
[16:28] <mr_pouit> here's the test from ubuntu-logo
[16:28] <madnick> okay
[16:28] <madnick> shall i put an equiv in?
[16:29] <mr_pouit> if knome can provide the needed pictures, I guess it's ok
[16:29] <knome> mr_pouit, let me think... no, i don't think i can ;)
[16:29] <knome> of course i can
[16:30] <madnick> But only the logotype?
[16:30] <knome> i think all the stuff that has the glow
[16:30] <madnick> its gonna be *alot* if images :)
[16:30] <knome> i know.
[16:30] <knome> it's not a big thing though
[16:30] <knome> but i'll do that a bit later, a short break ->
[16:30] <charlie-tca> At least the text based screen
[16:32] <madnick> Why do they do bits_per_pixel==4?
[16:32] <madnick> isnt that quite very low? :P
[16:32] <charlie-tca> for people with monitors like mine?
[16:33] <madnick> No I mean, I dont quite understand bits per pixel, are we talking VGA mode?
[16:33]  * charlie-tca going hide; sounds like a language he didn't learn yet
[16:34] <mr_pouit> madnick: apparently, when normal images are supported, it returns 0 ;D
[16:34] <madnick> oh
[16:35] <madnick> oh i found a comitt
[16:35] <madnick> commit*
[16:38] <madnick> unless i know why it returns 4
[16:38] <madnick> I should probagbly do == 0) {} else
[16:39] <mr_pouit> uhm, no, imho you should do what the ubuntu-logo theme does
[16:41] <madnick> Well, 4 bits per pixel, 16 colors right? Did we not want < 32?
[16:43] <madnick> 18:20 < knome> mr_pouit, you write the code that probes if the bit depth is  <32bit
[16:43] <madnick> But Ill just use that version, but I bet there is a reason to it returning 4 :P
[16:44] <charlie-tca> yes, old monitors won't show right at 32
[16:44] <mr_pouit> madnick: I also think that ;-)
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Some of the old monitors only work at 16 color
[16:44] <charlie-tca> before the file buffers or something is changed
[16:46] <charlie-tca> or something else I don't understand
[16:55] <madnick> I wish I could answer, but I never finished my VGA project ( http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/vga.jpg ) other than that I know mostly about pure text mode, because thats what i encountered in my work :\
[16:58] <charlie-tca> isn't that like building the hardware itself?
[16:59] <madnick> I do build hardware myself, I was an embeded developer, but the VGA stuff is the same on normal computers as in what i had in mind :)
[17:03] <mr_pouit> ok, I've uploaded your theme as is
[17:03] <madnick> oh
[17:03] <madnick> Okay
[17:03] <mr_pouit> I'll include the 16bpp fallback tomorrow
[17:03] <madnick> I made the changes, just waiting on filenames
[17:03] <madnick> oh okay
[17:03] <madnick> :)
[17:03] <mr_pouit> maybe with other fixes if testers report some issues ;-)
[17:03] <madnick> :D
[17:03] <madnick> It has been tested
[17:03] <madnick> Alot ;)
[17:04] <mr_pouit> huhu
[17:04] <madnick> So i hope its all in order
[17:04] <charlie-tca> hueard it all before... :)
[17:04] <madnick> :D
[17:04] <mr_pouit> (I also want to see how much oversized we are before adding even more pngs)
[17:08] <mr_pouit> ah, i386 ships one more langpack, so we can remove it if necessary
[22:51] <knome> madnick, mr_pouit: let's ship with the old wall
[22:51] <knome> got to go to bed + stuff
[22:51] <knome> see you tomorrow
[22:52] <knome> madnick, i'll export you the low depth stuff tomorrow too
[23:02] <madnick> knome: okay cool :)
[23:21] <Unit193> Awww... We don't get to see what he's working on :P
[23:53] <madnick> :(


[08:37] <praisethemoon> Morning o/
[08:56] <Dro> mroning
[08:56] <Dro> morning* :d
[09:00] <rhabbachi> Hey Morning Dro
[09:01] <rhabbachi> How is life?
[09:02] <Dro> rhabbachi, life is boring, trying to work with D8 :P
[09:02] <Dro> what about u?
[09:02] <rhabbachi> hah :D
[09:02] <rhabbachi> well
[09:02] <Dro> well boring, but enjoying that anyway :D
[09:02] <Dro> the secret is not to what u like.. but to like what u do :D
[09:02] <rhabbachi> working with D7, and life is good
[09:03] <rhabbachi> hhhhh
[09:03] <Dro> is not to do what u like*
[09:03] <rhabbachi> I totally agree
[09:03] <Dro> sometimes i feel that I start falling in love with D8
[09:03] <rhabbachi> Sometimes it may seems hard
[09:03] <Dro> but sometimes I feel bored :D
[09:03] <Dro> anyway, learning something new is always good :)
[09:04] <rhabbachi> I guess that's because of the complexity
[09:04] <Dro> that's because I have a binary mind: 1 or 0.. i'm always trying to make things PERFECT
[09:04] <rhabbachi> undertaking and trying to assimilate a complex system and trying stuff that only work 1/3 of the time is boaring
[09:04] <Dro> if its not 100% perfect I get bored :D haha
[09:04] <Dro> but D8 is not really complicated.. especially if u worked with Symfony before
[09:05] <rhabbachi> Yep
[09:06] <Dro> u know that feeling when u learn something u try to always use the best practices..
[09:07] <Dro> without best practices, even if it works u don't like it :P
[09:07] <rhabbachi> well
[09:07] <rhabbachi> I think that the important thing is to make it work
[09:08] <rhabbachi> you can't try to make it right from the first time
[09:08] <Dro> for my side NO, i'm very strict on this :D
[09:08] <Dro> always trying to use the best practices
[09:08] <rhabbachi> because for me "right" is relative
[09:09] <rhabbachi> and D8 is still kinda new
[09:09] <rhabbachi> so best practices may change
[09:09] <Dro> yes, and there no much documentation about it
[09:09] <rhabbachi> exactly
[09:10] <rhabbachi> I will advice to ship something first
[09:10] <Dro> and it does not matter.. the guys who made it are not better than us :D
[09:10] <rhabbachi> and refactor later
[09:10] <rhabbachi> same as the guys that made D8
[09:10] <Dro> i'm talking about them btw :p
[09:14] <rhabbachi> :D
[09:17] <Dro> brb, I need to have a coffee before continuing my D8 war :D
[09:23] <rhabbachi> o/
[09:24] <rhabbachi> So Dro you are doing this for a client as part of web agency or something? or is it for a school project?
[10:16] <Dro> back
[10:16] <Dro> rhabbachi, its my end of studies project :P
[10:23] <rhabbachi> Dro Great! Looking forward for a drupal.org or github repo
[10:23] <rhabbachi> :D
[10:25] <Dro> rhabbachi, haha I'll be not able to publish it without the company permission.. they have some confidential informations inside :D
[13:05] <nzoueidi> Morning utn
[13:06] <elacheche> Hey nzoueidi
[13:07] <nzoueidi> How are you elacheche
[13:08] <elacheche> Alive nzoueidi x)
[13:09] <nzoueidi> x) elacheche when you tried gentoo did you tried to compile and build FF or any product related to Mozilla?
[13:09] <elacheche> nope nzoueidi.. Why that can be special!
[13:11] <nzoueidi> They re using hg as cvs, but if you change the structure of the repo to git, you can not proceed in compiling/building
[13:12] <elacheche> Weird.. Hold on, let's see how gentoo ebuild are made
[13:13] <praisethemoon> what is ebuild?
[13:13] <nzoueidi> It is not weird, they have a python script you need to checkout and excute this script to grab the building tools, the same script check for the repo if it was made by hg or not
[13:14] <nzoueidi> I am just wondering why they use a total different cvs :/
[13:15] <nzoueidi> praisethemoon: hey :D it is a text file which identify a specific software package
[13:15] <nzoueidi> how it might be built and who are the maintainers/managers of the packages provided
[13:16] <elacheche> nzoueidi: Did you tried to use the official Git mirror?
[13:16] <elacheche> https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-projects
[13:16] <u-la-la> [ GitHub - mozilla/gecko-projects: r/o mirror of hg.mozilla.org/projects/ -- 'master' never updated, check the branch you care about. ] - INVALID_LOGIN
[13:16] <nzoueidi> It is not up to date elacheche :/
[13:17] <elacheche> Oh! :/
[13:17] <elacheche> praisethemoon: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Ebuild
[13:17] <u-la-la> [ ebuild - Gentoo Wiki ] - INVALID_LOGIN
[13:17] <praisethemoon> Guess who's back :D
[13:17] <praisethemoon> wait what?
[13:17] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, what have you done :'(
[13:18] <pavlushka> Guess who's back
[13:18] <u-la-la> KeyError: u"Guess who's back" (file "/home/peruvian/Downloads/jenni/modules/chicken_reply.py", line 71, in chicken_reply)
[13:18] <nzoueidi> nice error :D
[13:18] <pavlushka> lol, in a minute
[13:20] <pavlushka> Guess who's back
[13:20] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Its praisethemoon :)
[13:20] <nzoueidi> \o/
[13:20] <praisethemoon> \o/
[14:06] <Dro> Guess who's back
[14:06] <u-la-la> Dro: Its praisethemoon :)
[14:06] <Dro> no its nizarus
[14:06] <praisethemoon> \o/
[14:06] <Dro> stupid bot :P
[14:06] <praisethemoon> NO
[14:06] <praisethemoon> u-la-la, is the smartest of bost
[14:06] <praisethemoon> bots*
[14:06] <Dro> lol
[14:06] <u-la-la> Dro: lol
[14:06] <praisethemoon> u-la-la, entertain Dro
[14:06] <Dro> he just see praisethemoon
[14:06] <praisethemoon> maybe he isn't xD
[14:07] <nizarus> ?
[14:07] <Dro> nizarus, well nothing, pavlushka is trying to make a script to log the last person entering the channel lol
[14:07] <Dro> but FAIL :D
[14:08] <pavlushka> lol
[14:08] <u-la-la> pavlushka: lol
[14:08] <nizarus> u-la-la: yezzi mel dhe7k
[14:08] <nizarus> Dro: ok :-) bon courage pavlushka
[14:08] <pavlushka> u-la-la: have been quieted :p
[14:09] <pavlushka> nizarus: u-la-la is not smart, need an ai plugin for that :p
[14:10] <pavlushka> s/not/not that
[14:10] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: nizarus: u-la-la is not that smart, need an ai plugin for that :p
[14:11] <nizarus> ça c'est bien u-la-la :p
[14:12] <pavlushka> d also we have to hire Unit193
[14:13] <elacheche> nizarus: pavlushka don't speak arabic or French x)
[14:13] <nizarus> ah sorry :-)
[14:15] <elacheche> He's from Bangladesh
[14:17] <nizarus> welcome to our channel :-)
[14:30] <davlefou> elacheche, va falloir lui apprendre le français pour le civiliser :<))))
[14:31] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, that's an interesting thing to do!
[14:31] <praisethemoon> teach u-la-la AI
[14:32] <praisethemoon> Make chatbots great again!
[14:32] <praisethemoon> #voteforpavlushka
[14:32] <davlefou> Pour le festival du libre, on fait quelque chose? Besoin de conférence?
[14:32] <praisethemoon> huehuehue
[14:32] <davlefou> nizarus, c'est toi pour Sousse?
[14:38] <nizarus> davlefou: non c'est pas moi :-) c'est le bureau CLibre
[14:38] <nizarus> sinon, je viens d'avoir une proposistion d'event à Sbitla :-p ça vous intéresse ?
[14:39] <elacheche> Sure nizarus I'll go whenever I can :D x)
[14:41] <elacheche> davlefou: Yeah sure! We'll plan something.. We need to got confirmation from the CLibre office 1st :/
[14:54] <davlefou> elacheche, je suis partant pour des trucs...
[15:29] <nzoueidi> Sbita is in el Kasserine? yes that would be the 1st FOSS event there :)
[15:31] <nzoueidi> s/Sbita/Sbitla
[15:31] <u-la-la> nzoueidi meant to say: Sbitla is in el Kasserine? yes that would be the 1st FOSS event there :)
[15:38] <nizarus> nzoueidi: i was there last year for a Free Culture event
[15:39] <nzoueidi> About Wikimedia I think?
[15:40] <nizarus> no ! FOSS
[15:46] <nizarus> mais c'était une petite conférence où j'ai présenté le logiciel libre et son esprit :-)
[16:00] <pavlushka> sorry praisethemoon , I owe you a rofl :p
[16:00] <praisethemoon> ^^
[16:00] <pavlushka> s/I owe you/you owe me
[16:00] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: sorry praisethemoon , you owe me a rofl :p
[16:01] <praisethemoon> wait wut
[16:01] <pavlushka> s/a rofl/an rofl
[16:01] <u-la-la> pavlushka meant to say: sorry praisethemoon , you owe me an rofl :p
[16:02] <pavlushka> praisethemoon> Make chatbots great again!
[16:02] <praisethemoon> ahhhhh XD
[16:04] <praisethemoon> pavlushka, we can do it xD
[16:04] <praisethemoon> there are a lot of python ai toolkits
[16:05] <praisethemoon> for NLP (natural language processing)
[16:06] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: will take time, atm I am preparing question papers for KG school :p
[16:07] <pavlushka> .addquote praisethemoon Make chatbots great again!
[16:07] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Quote added.
[16:07] <pavlushka> .quote praisethemoon
[16:07] <u-la-la> No quotes by that nick!
[16:08] <praisethemoon> Woups
[16:08] <praisethemoon> xD
[16:08] <u-la-la> praisethemoon: XD
[16:08] <pavlushka> .quote praisethemoon
[16:08] <u-la-la> No quotes by that nick!
[16:09] <pavlushka> .grabquote praisethemoon
[16:09] <pavlushka> .quote praisethemoon
[16:09] <u-la-la> No quotes by that nick!
[16:10] <pavlushka> .grabquote praisethemoon
[16:10] <pavlushka> .grab praisethemoon
[16:10] <u-la-la> quote added: <praisethemoon> xD
[16:10] <pavlushka> .quote praisethemoon
[16:10] <u-la-la> Quote 3 of 3: <praisethemoon> xD
[16:10] <pavlushka> .quote praisethemoon 2
[16:10] <u-la-la> Quote 3 of 3: <praisethemoon> xD
[16:11] <pavlushka> .quote 2|praisethemoon
[16:11] <u-la-la> No quotes by that nick!
[16:11] <pavlushka> .quote 2 | praisethemoon
[16:11] <u-la-la> Quote 2 of 3: praisethemoon Make chatbots great again!
[16:11] <u-la-la> Quote 2 of 3: praisethemoon Make chatbots great again!
[16:11] <pavlushka> .quote 1 | praisethemoon
[16:11] <u-la-la> Quote 1 of 3: pavlushka
[16:12] <pavlushka> .grab Dro
[16:12] <u-la-la> quote added: <Dro> but FAIL :D
[16:12] <praisethemoon> .quote 1 | pavlushka
[16:12] <u-la-la> Quote 1 of 4: pavlushka
[16:12] <praisethemoon> .quote 2.f | u-la-la
[16:12] <u-la-la> No quotes by that nick!
[16:12]  * praisethemoon is just messing around :3
[16:13] <pavlushka> .quote praisethemoon
[16:13] <u-la-la> Quote 3 of 4: <praisethemoon> xD
[16:13] <pavlushka> .quote 4 | praisethemoon
[16:13] <u-la-la> Quote 4 of 4: <Dro> but FAIL :D
[16:13] <elacheche> Guys! Stop spammin gthe channel! x(
[16:13] <pavlushka> .quote 4
[16:13] <u-la-la> Quote 4 of 4: <Dro> but FAIL :D
[16:14] <pavlushka> .grab elacheche
[16:14] <u-la-la> quote added: <elacheche> Guys!  :D
[16:14] <praisethemoon> elacheche, make channel great again!
[16:15] <pavlushka> .grab praisethemoon
[16:15] <u-la-la> quote added: <praisethemoon> elacheche, make channel great again!
[16:17] <nizarus> +42 elacheche
[16:18] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: we can play here,  #jenni-playground :)
[16:19] <pavlushka> nizarus: are you describing elacheche's age :p
[16:19] <Dro> lol
[16:19] <u-la-la> Dro: lol
[16:19] <praisethemoon> on pavlushka, it's elacheche's salary in USD
[16:19] <praisethemoon> no*
[16:19] <praisethemoon> 1k USD
[16:19] <praisethemoon> ok I nailed it
[16:20] <Dro> .quote " elacheche salary .... "
[16:20] <u-la-la> No quotes by that nick!
[16:20] <u-la-la> No quotes by that nick!
[16:20] <Dro> .quote elacheche
[16:20] <u-la-la> Quote 5 of 6: <elacheche> Guys! Stop spammin gthe channel! x(
[16:20] <Dro> .quote praisethemoon
[16:20] <u-la-la> Quote 6 of 6: <praisethemoon> elacheche, make channel great again!
[16:20] <Dro> .quote u-la-la
[16:20] <u-la-la> No quotes by that nick!
[16:20] <praisethemoon> omg elacheche's face must be turning blue by now xD
[16:20] <elacheche> I have an abandoned chennel, if you like, you can go play there in private
[16:21] <praisethemoon> elacheche, what is it?
[16:21] <Dro> #elacheche-tn
[16:21] <elacheche> praisethemoon Dro pavlushka take u-la-la and go there.. There is a ChanServ in there too.. #ubuntiste-msakni
[16:21] <elacheche> if you need it
[16:21] <Dro> hhhhhhhhhh
[16:22] <elacheche> ubuntulog_: is not happy.. elacheche is not happy too..
[16:22] <praisethemoon> well I agree, we overflooded ^^
[16:40] <pavlushka> u-la-la: join #ubuntiste-msakni
[16:41] <pavlushka> u-la-la: join #ubuntiste-msakni


[21:26] <canthus13> Heh. It takes an internet outage to get me to set up SASL. :P
[21:33] <Unit193> The SASL plugin has failed, so I still have the server password set as Unit193:ilikepinkponies
[21:35] <canthus13> heh.