[00:00] <Rocket2DMn> you know we can take ntfs-3g off of  CategoryThirdPartySoftware i guess, originally it didnt come installed in Ubuntu
[00:02] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc2, please watch when you add tags, you left "#language en " hanging on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USB since it was no longer at the top
[00:03] <Rocket2DMn> you dont need to be a one man army, take your time
[00:14] <technomensc2> ::nod::
[00:16] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc2, are you trying out the new theme?
[00:16] <technomensc2> yes.  and I like it....except for the fact that the edit link is all the way at the bottom
[00:17] <Rocket2DMn> the biggest thing that bothers me is the absence of the lines splitting heading 1
[00:17] <technomensc2> I can see that
[00:17] <technomensc2> that does suck
[00:17] <technomensc2> the other thing is there is no consistency regarding links for PageDiscussion
[00:18] <Rocket2DMn> also, when you search for something on a page and it has to scroll, it gets hidden behind the bottom bar
[00:18] <Rocket2DMn> yeah i was gonna ask about PageDiscussion stuff...
[00:18] <Rocket2DMn> im all for trashing it
[00:18] <Rocket2DMn> except maybe for pages that the doc team uses
[00:24] <Rocket2DMn> ------
[00:24] <technomensc2> here here
[00:24] <technomensc2> I think that might be best for debate
[00:24] <Rocket2DMn> Can we pause for a moment and come to a concensus on one thing - can we _not_ erase content from pages when we mark them for deletion
[00:25] <Rocket2DMn> there have been some pages that when they were marked, their content was just flat out removed
[00:25] <technomensc2> I would agree with that.  I might've done it at the start, but I stopped doing that very very quickly
[00:25] <technomensc2> realizing it was a bad idea
[00:25] <Rocket2DMn> i may be guilty myself when i first started
[00:34] <technomensc2> at least we're nipping it in the bud
[15:00] <cody-somerville> mdke, ping
[15:00] <mdke> cody-somerville: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[15:00] <cody-somerville> mdke, Xubuntu seems to go to the old homepage even with ubufox installed. I'm touching base with asac to see what we can do.
[19:33] <mdke> cody-somerville: yes, ubufox provides the Ubuntu homepage - you need to ship an xubufox to customise the homepage I believe. Asac will know more
[20:04] <cody-somerville> No, it goes to the old xubuntu page
[20:04] <cody-somerville> We ship ubufox
[20:05] <cody-somerville> I already spoke with him
[20:28] <mdke> cody-somerville: and did you resolve it?
[20:39] <cody-somerville> He said to let him know when you break it :P
[20:47] <mdke> cody-somerville: sorry, I don't understand that. Removing the alternatives should have nothing to do with ubufox, they are separate systems for providing the homepage url.
[20:47] <cody-somerville> mdke, If ubufox is offline, it points to the old page
[20:48] <cody-somerville> which uses the alternative system
[20:48] <mdke> cody-somerville: that's contrary to my understanding - I'll talk to him
[20:48] <cody-somerville> s/ubufox/machine


[09:29] <xnox> cjwatson, I believe http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu is out of date. As there should be disco related commits there / on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu. Could you please check if mirror is not stuck?
[09:30] <xnox> (if the mirror is stuck)
[09:35] <cjwatson> xnox: poked, though I don't understand why the cron job didn't do it ...
[09:40] <xnox> thank you
[10:49] <jibel> hi, in live-build there are 2 stages to build an image: install and live. We'd like to define one more for desktop. We added one to auto/config but it's ignored by live-build. Are these stages defined somewhere else in lb?
[10:58] <jibel> nvm, found it


[04:35] <Noskcaj> brainwash, If you're willing to make the FFe (including screenshot of the app working), i'll do the packaging
[08:11] <Noskcaj> brainwash, If you're willing to make the FFe (including screenshot of the app working), i'll do the packaging
[08:12] <elfy> Noskcaj: what's this? ACTION: Noskcaj to be in touch with elfy on xkb-plugin testing
[08:12] <Noskcaj> elfy, I'm still waiting for sponsorship on that one
[08:12] <Unit193> elfy: Think leftovers that was taken care of 3 meetings ago?
[08:13] <Unit193> Ah.
[08:13] <elfy> Noskcaj: k - thanks
[08:13]  * elfy forgets he read that
[08:15] <Unit193> http://goo.gl/UPtH7i looks right to me.
[08:17] <elfy> not to me it doesn't
[08:18] <elfy> shouldn't the time be 7pm
[08:20] <Unit193> DST
[08:20] <Unit193> Everything gets messed up...
[08:21] <elfy> I tend to set times to UTC
[08:21] <elfy> that's early for DST
[09:14] <astraljava> Unit193: Thanks for the tip re: ssh, now I set ServerAliveCountMax and ServerAliveInterval so that under a minute, without a connection, they die and free up the corresponding tab.
[09:22] <ochosi> brainwash: tested the icon-bug in nm-applet yet?
[11:10] <slickymasterWork> knome, ping. You around?
[11:15] <knome> slickymasterWork, for a sec
[11:15] <slickymasterWork> knome: it's quick
[11:15] <knome> go ahead
[11:16] <slickymasterWork> the screenshots you need, do you want thunar to occupied the all desktop or do you want the desktop also visible?
[11:16] <knome> probably better that the desktop is also visible
[11:17] <slickymasterWork> besides thunar, do you want what application?
[11:17]  * knome shrugs
[11:17] <knome> i don't mind too much, it'll be up for a month or so
[11:18] <slickymasterWork> you said yesterday thunar and something else open, Do you mean simultaneously ?
[11:18] <knome> yeah, or something.
[11:18] <knome> use your imagination ;)
[11:18] <slickymasterWork> thanks
[11:18] <slickymasterWork> that's all, I'll mail them in a moment
[11:18] <knome> or look at http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/ and see what we've done before
[11:18] <knome> anything works
[11:18] <knome> but uäm running
[11:18] <knome> *i'm
[11:18] <knome> see you later
[11:19] <slickymasterWork> ttyl
[11:44] <elfy> morning
[11:45] <elfy> what screenshots are we wanting?
[11:48] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy, good morning
[11:49] <slickymasterWork> see this -> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/03/06/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t19:14
[11:49] <slickymasterWork> I already mail them to knome
[11:49] <elfy> oh
[11:49] <elfy> saucy is long gone :p
[11:50] <slickymasterWork> yeah, I had to setup a box just for those
[11:52] <elfy> slickymasterWork reminds elfy of a job he needs to do
[11:53]  * slickymasterWork appreciates the reminder as he doesn't seems to remember what it is
[11:53] <slickymasterWork> :P
[11:53] <elfy> it doesn't involve chorizo nor chickpeas
[11:53] <slickymasterWork> hmmm.. sadly
[11:54] <slickymasterWork> but what is it?
[11:54]  * elfy wants to check that a default panel is readable with the supplied wallpapers
[11:54] <elfy> but can never remember what one actually looks like :p
[11:55] <Unit193> astraljava: Sure, glad it helps.
[11:56] <slickymasterWork> I'm not getting you elfy. Are you saying that you don't remember how a panel looks like?!
[11:56] <slickymasterWork> hey Unit193, morning
[11:56] <Unit193> Howdy.
[11:56] <slickymasterWork> or are you referring to the wallpapers?
[11:58] <elfy> nvm - I also forgot that a default panel isn't completely see through :p
[11:58] <slickymasterWork> not quite elfy, that's configurable
[11:58] <elfy> yes I know it is :)
[11:58] <elfy> mine is completely see through ...
[11:59] <slickymasterWork> mine also :)
[12:00] <slickymasterWork> ohhhh, now I see, elfy. You were not talking about something that I needed to do, but rather about something you needed to do
[12:00] <slickymasterWork> silly slickymasterWork
[12:02] <elfy> yea - sorry - head is elsewhere ... again
[12:45] <slickymasterWork> knome, as you must have probably forgotten, you still have these three MP hanging: 1) https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/xubuntu-docs/chapters-3-4-revisions/+merge/208951 2) https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/208035 and 3) https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-docs/new-appendix/+merge/207310
[13:04] <brainwash> ochosi: yes, your commit fixed it, thanks
[13:22] <jjfrv8> afternoon, slickymasterWork
[13:30] <AussieDownUnder> I must say, I'm impressed how if Windows crashes & I try to boot to xubuntu first, it won't mount the drives windows was using at the time until I re-boot to Windows for whatever reason it is that Windows fixes something before I can use those drives in xubuntu, I figured it's a safety feature to save hard drive corruption or data loss on those hard drives. Can anyone tell me the rifght info if I'm wrong?
[13:31] <jjfrv8> slickymasterWork, knome, I just pushed a new version of 1) ^^ that has a MenuLibre paragraph in it.
[13:32] <brainwash> AussieDownUnder: hey, this looks like a general ubuntu question, please try asking in #ubuntu
[13:32] <AussieDownUnder> Youre' clearly brainwashing me. I'm using xubuntu
[13:33] <jjfrv8> knome, if you approve the proposed Settings Manager entity changes, we can get busy updating the rest of the chapters.
[13:34] <brainwash> AussieDownUnder: both ubuntu and xubuntu use the same system components and serivces
[13:35] <brainwash> AussieDownUnder: did the behavior change in Xubuntu 14.04?
[13:35] <AussieDownUnder> brainwash, no idea, I went from Ubuntu 12.04 to xubuntu 14.04 beta.
[13:36] <AussieDownUnder> What's more confusing is how different ubuntu or any of its derivatives look if you install & log in with that desktop stuff that let's you choose what interface loads, then the different distro looks the same as a different distro.
[13:38] <brainwash> it's always ubuntu
[13:38] <brainwash> so you can install any desktop environment you like
[13:39] <brainwash> that is the reason why your initial question might be a general ubuntu one
[13:40] <AussieDownUnder> forget it
[13:52] <schproodle> 2 lightdm-greeter instances in taskbar after login on i386 daily
[13:53] <schproodle> What's up with that?
[13:54] <brainwash> ochosi: ^
[13:55] <brainwash> schproodle: do you use the daily lightdm-gtk-greeter PPA?
[13:55] <schproodle> qatracker iso test
[13:56]  * elfy boots daily
[13:56] <schproodle> so, no ppa
[13:56] <brainwash> did you file a report already?
[13:56] <schproodle> no
[13:56] <brainwash> ochosi also mentioned this issue yesterday
[13:57] <schproodle> yes, I thought I saw that yesterday gut something else went screwy with the vm
[13:57] <Unit193> I saw it too.
[13:57] <elfy> schproodle: install and login - or login to live session?
[13:58] <schproodle> install and login only on i386 -- not on amc64
[14:00] <schproodle> right click on entry in taskbar brings of a window --  not responding - selecting quit closes both instances
[14:01] <brainwash> run "ubuntu-bug lightdm-gtk-greeter"
[14:01] <brainwash> maybe we can get some debug hints from the logs
[14:02] <schproodle> just did "erase and install" -- did not happen this time
[14:04] <elfy> installing it in vm now
[14:05] <schproodle> brainwash, ubuntu-bug may not be useful without the problem or is it?
[14:06] <brainwash> you run it after the problem has occurred
[14:06] <schproodle> ok
[14:07] <brainwash> otherwise log files might have been overwritten/replaced in the meantime
[14:07] <elfy> so what am I actually looking for here - is it easy to see
[14:08] <schproodle> yes, two instance of lightdm-greeter in task bar but no window on desktop
[14:08] <schproodle> if it happens again, I will try a screenshot.
[14:14] <elfy> mmm looks same as ever to me
[14:15] <schproodle> elfy, that is, nothing in the taskbar, correct?
[14:15] <elfy> just indicators
[14:15] <elfy> what's expected
[14:15] <schproodle> I am installing another one for iso test now...
[14:22] <schproodle> done, no problem this time.
[14:24] <elfy> sigh ... thunar
[14:30] <elfy> bah
[14:58] <slickymasterWork> hey elfy, as you're in testing mode can you verify something for me, please?
[14:58] <elfy> I'm always testing - but I've not got daily booted
[14:59] <slickymasterWork> ok, but I noticed that you've just setup a trusty box
[14:59] <elfy> I can boot it
[14:59] <elfy> but I am about to afk for 30 minutes
[14:59] <slickymasterWork> so, what I want you to test is the 'Help' button from Settings Manager -> Desktop
[15:00] <slickymasterWork> it's just a matter of seconds ;)
[15:00] <elfy> does nothing
[15:00] <slickymasterWork> yeaps, just wanting to confirm it
[15:00] <slickymasterWork> I already have the bug ready
[15:01] <slickymasterWork> going to report it
[15:01] <elfy> ok - can confirm
[15:21] <PaulW2U> elfy:
[15:30] <slickymasterWork> elfy, brainwash, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1289411
[15:30] <slickymasterWork> going to file also upstream
[15:31] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: ^^^
[15:53] <slickymasterWork> Noskcaj, can you please raise the bug status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfdesktop/+bug/1289411 to 'Triaged'
[15:57] <elfy> slickymasterWork: confirmed
[15:57] <elfy> PaulW2U: hi
[15:58] <PaulW2U> hi elfy, reading channel on the bus, went over a bump, clicked on something in error and attracted your attention, sorry  :o)
[16:06] <slickymasterWork> thanks elfy
[16:09] <elfy> buses ...
[19:39] <Noskcaj> Is anyone else able to add a testimonial to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Xubuntu_PackageSet ?
[19:39] <Noskcaj> micahg, ^
[21:04] <brainwash> Noskcaj: any idea what's wrong here? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/168642293/buildlog.txt.gz
[21:06] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Not really, can you paste you d/rules?
[21:07] <brainwash> I'm trying to build https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/ubuntu/trusty/gnome-system-tools/fix-1185396
[21:07] <brainwash> via (daily) build recipe
[21:09] <brainwash> or should I try via dput?
[21:20] <Noskcaj> brainwash, try dput, but i doubt that's the issue


[06:15] <Saviq> hey all, is "transparency" (aka graphical glitches) in gedit and gnome calculator a known issue? https://imgur.com/a/cooyd
[06:16] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:19] <oSoMoN> hey Saviq. duflu, aka Master of the Shell Bugs, would know
[06:23] <jibel> good morning
[06:23] <oSoMoN> salut jibel
[06:24] <jibel> Saviq, not known. snaps or debs and which graphics drivers?
[06:24] <jibel> oSoMoN, salut osomon
[06:46] <duflu> Saviq: Looks good. Sell it as a feature
[06:47] <duflu> But otherwise I've never heard of that before
[06:55] <duflu> IIRC, macOS does sell that as a feature. Input fields are more transparent than other widgets :)
[06:57] <duflu> Saviq, I would think it's probably a theme regression (with a stray alpha channel value of zero in the colour somewhere). So please 'ubuntu-bug ubuntu-themes'
[06:58] <Saviq> duflu: ack
[06:59] <Saviq> duflu: uninstalled package?
[06:59]  * Saviq purges communitheme
[07:00] <duflu> Saviq, that could be it too. If in doubt, use the binary package name: light-themes
[07:17] <didrocks> good morning
[07:37] <duflu_> Morning didrocks
[07:45] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:47] <seb128> hey duflu, re didrocks, good morning desktopers
[07:47] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:48] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:51] <Nafallo> morning o/
[07:59] <willcooke> morning
[07:59] <didrocks> good morning Nafallo, willcooke
[08:04] <seb128> good morning u.k
[08:04] <seb128> how is the island today?
[08:04] <Laney> WOH
[08:04] <Laney> lots of pings, sorry
[08:04] <Laney> hi!
[08:04] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:04] <seb128> Laney, don't let your IRC on during the w.e :p
[08:07] <Laney> ohoh
[08:07] <Laney> never
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:07] <Laney> what's up?
[08:07] <Laney> I read that france is on strike today, you should join them
[08:07] <seb128> lol
[08:07] <seb128> luckily I don't have to take a train to go to work
[08:08] <duflu> Morning willcooke, Nafallo, Laney
[08:10] <seb128> Saviq, hey, your gedit issue looks similar to bug #1620806 which seems has to do with xim being set in ~/.xinputrc ... did you play with IMs?
[08:17] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:23] <Laney> hey duflu, hey didrocks!
[08:24] <Laney> what's new? good easter?
[08:24] <duflu> Exhausting. Seemed shorter than a regular weekend
[08:24] <duflu> But 5 days to Orthodox Easter!
[08:24] <duflu> You Laney?
[08:26] <didrocks> hey Laney! A little bit sick during week-end (which was only 3 days in France), so stayed in bed for most of it
[08:33] <Laney> duflu: we put a pond in, and then it rained for 3 days!
[08:33] <Laney> so, no need to fill it up manually :P
[08:34] <duflu> Good, I think?
[08:34]  * Laney hugs didrocks, hope you are better now
[08:34] <Laney> Might as well be useful if it's going to come...
[08:37]  * didrocks hugs Laney back
[08:37] <didrocks> a little bit better thanks!
[08:42] <andyrock> hey hey
[08:43] <andyrock> seb128: I found a big fat memory (and file) leak in snapd-glib
[08:44] <willcooke> hey andyrock, I saw that bug - nice find.  Is it fixable?
[08:44] <andyrock> the fix (https://github.com/snapcore/snapd-glib/pull/34) should fix all crash in gnome-software that has a "Too many open files" in the stacktrace
[08:44] <ubot5-ng> snapcore bug (Pull request) 34 in snapd-glib "Properly unref SnapdClient" (comments: 0) [Open]
[08:44] <willcooke> ha, yes it is
[08:44] <willcooke> nice one andyrock
[08:45] <seb128> andyrock, hey, nice work. robert_ancell is looking after this project but he's on vac this week
[08:45] <seb128> oh nice
[08:45] <andyrock> kk there is no rush
[08:45] <seb128> that's like one of the most reported issues on gnome-software
[08:45] <andyrock> yeah
[08:45] <seb128> one that Robert didn't know how to figure out
[08:46] <seb128> did you hit the leak by luck in local testing? or did you figure that out?
[08:46] <andyrock> just checking why the "too many open files" was appearing so often
[08:47] <andyrock> with this is easier to reproduce https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rF5tHn5BwG/
[08:47] <andyrock> keep pressed the enter ke for a while
[08:48] <andyrock> *key
[08:48] <andyrock> and you'll see the list of open files growing
[08:48] <seb128> nice finding
[08:49] <andyrock> Also https://github.com/storaged-project/udisks/pull/515
[08:49] <ubot5-ng> storaged-project bug (Pull request) 515 in udisks "main.c: Properly remove sigint source" (comments: 3) [Open]
[08:49] <seb128> I tried to ask on  a few reports for lsof outputs
[08:49] <andyrock> this should fix https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/93775674877696284083874f33927631ec531a70
[08:50] <seb128> andyrock, is that https://github.com/storaged-project/udisks/issues/417#issuecomment-378175412 ?
[08:50] <ubot5-ng> storaged-project bug 417 in udisks "udisks segfault in g_mutex_lock()" (comments: 8) [Open]
[08:51] <seb128> yes, it is
[08:51] <seb128> double amazing today
[08:51] <willcooke> \m/
[08:51] <seb128> that was one of the most reported e.u.c issue as well
[08:51] <seb128> and one people upstream had no clue about from my report
[08:55] <willcooke> I see robert_ancell!  Holiday fail?
[09:00] <seb128> duflu, that bluez fix sounds worth backporting, why do you think it's better to way at this point?
[09:00] <robert_ancell> willcooke, yeah, forgot to cancel that one..
[09:00] <willcooke> robert_ancell, oh - are you not on holiday now?
[09:01] <duflu> seb128, because the workaround is trivial, without a fix. And we get the fix for free in v5.50 too
[09:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey!
[09:02] <didrocks> good evening robert_ancell :)
[09:02] <duflu> Also, just about everything else is more important than that bluez bug
[09:02] <seb128> robert_ancell, seems like andyrock found out a snapd-glib fd leak that could explain those gnome-software gwakeup segfault reports
[09:03] <duflu> Could that explain jibel's gnome-shell crash too?
[09:03] <seb128> duflu, k, my distro-maintainer-instinct makes me want to do just dump that patch in the package and upload :p
[09:03] <robert_ancell> willcooke, depends if kenvandine is able to cancel the booked in holiday :)
[09:03] <seb128> duflu, could be, I'm unsure which one you are referring to
[09:04] <robert_ancell> But yeah, ideally I'm not on holiday this week
[09:04] <seb128> \o/
[09:04] <seb128> wb robert_ancell :p
[09:04] <seb128> robert_ancell, we need you to land the wizard and that snapd-glib fix from andyrock :)
[09:04] <duflu> seb128, bug 1760062
[09:04] <seb128> oh yeah
[09:04] <duflu> It scares me we have a shell that does IO
[09:04] <seb128> duflu, bug #1760795 is the leak reference
[09:06]  * didrocks just uploaded v1.0.3 of the API :)
[09:06] <robert_ancell> seb128, there's a bunch of fixes in one commit... I'll have to pull them apart.
[09:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, or ask andyrock to do it :)
[09:10] <andyrock> I  can do that later today. I need to be afk for a while
[09:10] <seb128> no hurry, it's evening for robert_ancell anyway so I guess that's something for tomorrow for him
[09:14] <willcooke> didrocks, can I share your hub post aboutt the theme snap work on the socials?
[09:16] <didrocks> willcooke: sure, it's not an official announcement yet, I thought to write a blog post once it's all ready (probably start of next week)
[09:17] <didrocks> willcooke: do you want to have that as a pre-warming up? :)
[09:22] <willcooke> didrocks, yeah, just show that we're working on it
[09:22] <willcooke> get people interested
[09:23] <didrocks> doing in a few
[09:24] <willcooke> didrocks,  I can do it
[09:24] <willcooke> didrocks, or I can reshare yours. Whatever is better for you
[09:24] <didrocks> willcooke: no worry, I'll do it in 10 minutes, just finishing up something
[09:24] <willcooke> didrocks, merci
[09:24] <didrocks> de rien :)
[09:27] <robert_ancell> andyrock, I'm committing the simple stuff in separate commits now - you'll have to rebase
[09:29] <didrocks> willcooke: done: https://twitter.com/didrocks/status/981100980971466753 and https://plus.google.com/+DidierRoche/posts/HU8o4AXEfbq
[09:29] <willcooke> didrocks, woot
[09:52] <Saviq> seb128: I did not
[09:52] <Saviq> it's "run_im ibus" there
[09:54] <Saviq> removing .xinput didn't help
[09:58] <Saviq> filed bug #1760818
[10:07] <duflu> Saviq: No idea how to reproduce your bug. But I'll try harder and set up bionic on a similar generation GPU to yours tonight
[10:08]  * duflu puts chef hat on
[10:32] <darkxst> hey desktoppers
[10:33] <andyrock> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/software-properties/livepatch-install-from-stable/+merge/342457
[10:34] <andyrock> and https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/software-properties/depends-on-keyring/+merge/342449
[11:01] <amano> Trevinho, taking a screenshot under wayland using the "prnscrn" key works but using "alt+prnscrn" makes some screenshot colors go funky. Is that known already or shall I file a bug?
[11:13] <doko> oSoMoN: the two font MIRs look fine. please could you add a bug subscriber?
[11:19] <oSoMoN> doko, is ~libreoffice fine?
[11:21] <doko> oSoMoN: I don't think so
[11:24] <oSoMoN> seb128, would you mind subscribing ~desktop-packages to bugs for fonts-liberation2 and fonts-hosny-amiri (bug #1757142 and bug #1757148) ?
[11:33] <seb128> oSoMoN, doko, desktop-pacakges subscribed
[11:34] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[11:37] <seb128> yw!
[11:41] <mgedmin> amano: I've seen an upstream bug for that (some kind of texture format confusion in mesa iirc?), but I don't remember where
[11:41] <mgedmin> amano: ah, thank you chrome history: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/72
[11:41] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug 72 in mutter "Screenshot doesn't have the correct colours" (comments: 9) [Closed]
[11:53] <jibel> seb128, would you know why there are errors like this in retraced stack traces?
[11:53] <jibel> #6  0x00007fe8288efbe1 in start_sync (data=<optimized out>, data=<optimized out>) at snapd-client-sync.c:24
[11:53] <jibel>   [Error: snapd-client-sync.c was not found in source tree]
[11:53] <jibel> for example https://launchpadlibrarian.net/362723254/StacktraceSource.txt
[11:53] <jibel> snapd-client-sync.c comes from snapd-glib
[12:08] <seb128> not without looking at the details of how apport-retrace works but if I had to guess I would say because apport-retrace only unpack the source of the component it's retracing, not from its depends
[12:08] <seb128> and ddeb don't include the .c
[12:09] <seb128> which I think -debug variant of rpms on e.g fedora do
[12:09] <doko> seb128: spech-dispatcher (desktop packages) recommends sound-icons. keep it that way and file a MIR, or drop it to a suggests?
[12:09] <seb128> doko, let me have a look
[12:14] <amano> mgedmin, thanks. If I read that correctly the fix will be present in mutter 3.28.1 then (it is on the 3.28 branch already)
[12:19] <seb128> doko, downgrading to suggests sound fine to me for now, we have enough MIRs in process for this cycle
[13:16] <oSoMoN> seb128, I guess you didn't have time to look at my lib{,app}indicator multiarch changes last week, any chance you can have a look some time this week?
[13:16] <doko> jbicha, seb128: there is a fix for the brotli ftbfs: https://github.com/google/brotli/pull/656
[13:16] <ubot5-ng> google bug (Pull request) 656 in brotli "Update" (comments: 0) [Closed]
[13:16] <oSoMoN> (not urgent by any means, just checking on it to not forget)
[13:24] <seb128> doko, right, I still think it's not correct to block the MIR for a bug in the proposed version when bionic itself is fine
[13:24] <seb128> oSoMoN, no I didn't, I'm going to try, I would still not say no if Laney wanted to do that though :)
[13:30] <willcooke> It's the new meeting time
[13:31] <didrocks> o/
[13:31] <willcooke> We might have caught some folk by surprise, let's see
[13:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2018-04-03
[13:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Apr  3 13:31:50 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:32] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine (out), laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:32] <andyrock> o/
[13:32] <seb128> hey
[13:32] <heber> o/
[13:32] <jibel> o/
[13:32] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:33] <willcooke> Looks like we've got enough people to get started
[13:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[13:33] <jbicha> o/
[13:33] <andyrock> - Update patch to hide snaps from gnome-system-monitor (LP: #1749007). Blocked waiting
[13:33] <andyrock>   for squashfs to reponds us back.
[13:33] <andyrock> - Fix proposed upstream for LP: #1707451 (approved, need to build a debdiff)
[13:33] <andyrock> - Fix merged upstream for LP: #1760005 (we'll get in once 3.28.1 is released)
[13:33] <andyrock> - Fix proposed for LP: #1760096 (blocked on below MP)
[13:33] <andyrock> - Fix proposed for LP: #1760117 (small change required after review)
[13:33] <andyrock> - Fix proposed for LP: #1760795 (under active review!)
[13:33] <andyrock> - Fix proposed upstream for LP: #1760858 (waiting for upstream review)
[13:33] <andyrock> - Additional work for Livepatch Page and ubuntu-welcome.
[13:33] <andyrock> Reviews:
[13:33] <andyrock> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/backdrop-switch-fix/+merge/342261
[13:33] <andyrock> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/only-child-scale-states-fix/+merge/342262
[13:33] <andyrock> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/headerbar-switch-sep-margins/+merge/342260
[13:33] <andyrock> - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/windowbuttons-bg-and-padding/+merge/342171
[13:33] <andyrock> EOW
[13:34] <willcooke> busy week, thanks andyrock
[13:34] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[13:34] <dgadomski> hey
[13:34] <dgadomski> I was on holidays for most of the last week and sprinting the week before so nothing this week.
[13:34] <dgadomski> eof
[13:34] <willcooke> cheers dgadomski
[13:34] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[13:34] <didrocks> hey
[13:34] <didrocks> 4 days week (Monday was off)
[13:34] <didrocks> * Telemetry:
[13:34] <didrocks>   - ubiquity: report booleans when fitting, and add last step "user_done" to know for how long the last user step took. (https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubiquity/telemetry-adjustements/+merge/342120)
[13:34] <didrocks>   - ubuntu-report: debian packaging, removing vendoring support for ubuntu, add autopkgtests, incremental changes on the C API from Robert's feedback.
[13:34] <didrocks>   - push FFe for telemetry https://launchpad.net/bugs/1755456 and MIR https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-report/+bug/1759540
[13:34] <didrocks> * Default experience:
[13:34] <didrocks>   - rebase ubuntu dock on latest dash to dock master
[13:34] <didrocks>   - rebase appindicator extension on latest master
[13:34] <didrocks> * Communitheme:
[13:34] <didrocks>   - started to bring the communitheme snap support into bionic.
[13:34] <didrocks>   - gnome-shell: ensure that theme lookup respect XDG_DATA_DIRS: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.28.0-0ubuntu2. Also pushed the patch upstream: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/70
[13:34] <didrocks>   - session: add the new theme session: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/3.28.0-0ubuntu2
[13:34] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 70 in gnome-shell "ui: Theme lookup should respect XDG_DATA_DIRS" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:34] <didrocks>   - ubuntu-settings: default settings for the new session type https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/18.04.1
[13:35] <didrocks>   - communicate and follow discussions on the snapification: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/snapping-communitheme/4890
[13:35] <didrocks>   - promote gnome-themes-extra and gtk2-engines-pixbuf needed for communitheme
[13:35] <didrocks> * Misc:
[13:35] <didrocks>   - fixed targeted for release translation bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1719462
[13:35] <didrocks>   - amazon removed from minimal install
[13:35] <didrocks>   - discussion and remote help on session handling for xrdp
[13:35] <didrocks> .oOo.
[13:35] <willcooke> also very busy!  Thanks didrocks
[13:35] <willcooke> #topic duflu
[13:35] <willcooke> * Gnome Shell memory usage (was my main focus this week):
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Ongoing massive leak from opening activities overview (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/160) - I am making measurable progress on this each day (including a third of my Easter weekend) in narrowing down the issue. Although I do now have a couple of workarounds that work, I would rather get to the root cause (and that's also the only type of fix upstream likes anyway).
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Large mmaps due to PulseAudio client code (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/159) - Not explored yet.
[13:35] <willcooke> * Bluetooth audio news, unexpectedly:
[13:35] <willcooke>   - PulseAudio upstream has maybe just figured out how to fix (most) skipping. When the fix lands upstream we will grab it. (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/405294)
[13:35] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug 160 in gnome-shell "st_widget_paint_background leaks about 5MB of textures every time I open/close the activities overview" (comments: 6) [Opened]
[13:35] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug 159 in gnome-shell "80% (512MB) of gnome-shell's memory mappings at start up are due to PulseAudio" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:35] <willcooke>   - BlueZ regression in 5.48/18.04: Bluetooth audio fails to reconnect after resume (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1759628). The fix exists already but it's not major enough to patch just yet.
[13:35] <willcooke> * Gnome Shell performance:
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Xorg and Wayland:
[13:35] <willcooke>     . Clock/animations smoothness fix: Still blocked awaiting upstream review, although Marco said last week he was in the process of landing it (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/26)
[13:36] <willcooke>   - Wayland-only:
[13:36] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 26 in mutter "clutter: Smooth out master clock to smooth visuals" (comments: 4) [Opened]
[13:36] <willcooke>     . More efficient rendering for Wayland sessions: Finally landed this one upstream in mutter master and is in 3.28.1 too: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/25
[13:36] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 25 in mutter "renderer-native: Swap then await earlier flips." (comments: 5) [Merged]
[13:36] <willcooke>     . eglnative (Wayland) flipping clean-up: Still blocked awaiting upstream review (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/29)
[13:36] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 29 in mutter "eglnative: Simplify and remove 'fb_in_use'" (comments: 4) [Opened]
[13:36] <willcooke> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.
[13:36] <willcooke>   - Progress, mostly backwards this week: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive
[13:36] <willcooke> #topic jbicha
[13:36] <jbicha> • Turned off auto-suspend when plugged in LP: #1759008 (and a few other ubuntu-settings fixes)
[13:36] <jbicha> • Finished UI change for the installer LP: #1758082
[13:36] <jbicha> • Packaged gimp 2.8.22 and had Debian GNOME team adopt the package to help updates be more timely in the future
[13:36] <jbicha> • Packaged gimp 2.10 RC1 in experimental and its 2 new dependencies (libmypaint and mypaint-data)
[13:36] <jbicha> • Fixed gdebi issue (restored a vte2.91 patch that upstream suggested we could delete) LP: #1756238
[13:37] <jbicha> • darkxst did his first unsponsored uploads to Debian last week
[13:37] <jbicha> • Made some suggestions for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/0.177
[13:37] <jbicha> • Uploaded new vala point release to fix last vala rdepend FTBFS introduced by the 0.40 series. Thanks ricotz!
[13:37] <jbicha> LP: #1756803
[13:37] <jbicha> • Removed ancient mozjs from Debian (will do the same in bionic soon). Debian bug 894238
[13:37] <jbicha> • The only thing using mozjs38 is cjs which will be fixed in their next release, (the only thing left usiing mozjs52 is gjs)
[13:37] <jbicha> eof
[13:37] <willcooke> thanks for changing the power settings when plugged in.  That's been annoying me on my test machine this week ;)
[13:37] <willcooke> thanks jbicha
[13:37] <willcooke> #topic jamesh
[13:38] <willcooke> I didn't get an update from James, and Ken has an appointment this morning.
[13:38] <willcooke> So let's move on.
[13:38] <willcooke> #topic jibel / heber
[13:38] <jibel> hi
[13:38] <jibel> - Reviewed and merged changes to updates & software page of Ubiquity
[13:38] <jibel> - Reviewed and merged updates to the installer slideshow for 18.04
[13:38] <jibel> - Reviewed and verified changes in casper to disable gnome-software service on the live session
[13:38] <jibel> - Triaged and cleaned up gnome-software crashes in bionic.
[13:38] <jibel> - Analyze and fix ubiquity tests in jenkins
[13:38] <jibel> - Analyze and fix ubuntu system tests that are filing in jenkins
[13:38] <jibel> and done
[13:39] <willcooke> nice, thanks jibel
[13:39] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[13:39] <willcooke> Ken had to go out, and didnt realise we'd move the meeting
[13:39] <willcooke> He can update us later
[13:39] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[13:40] <seb128> willcooke, btw I'm not sure we are reviewing the milestoned bugs people have as we go?
[13:40] <Laney> • v short week
[13:40] <Laney> • autopkgtest:
[13:40] <Laney> ∘ review pinning change from elbrus
[13:40] <Laney> ∘ another pinning bug triggered by python which killed armhf this morning, handheld the fix for that
[13:40] <Laney> ∘ tried to ping on whether the sprint is happening, no luck yet
[13:40] <Laney> • release:
[13:40] <Laney> ∘ reviewed some FFes and stuff
[13:40] <Laney> ∘ livecd-rootfs changes for lubuntu merged and uploaded
[13:40] <Laney> • rls bugs:
[13:40] <Laney> ∘ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1747717: previous upgrade failure seems gone, didn't manage to reproduce this in a chroot, currently installing a VM to see if it happens there
[13:40] <Laney> ∘ http://launchpad.net/bugs/1750846: I didn't make much progress on that this week, going to make a hacked ISO with more logging turned on as it's really hard to get into that early environment (although systemd.unit=rescue.target is quite helpful)
[13:40] <Laney> • reviewed/tested/uploaded JB's casper fix to not start gnome-session
[13:40] <Laney> • spent some time debugging glib2.0 test failure, fix proposed upstream now https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794801
[13:40] <ubot5-ng> bugzilla.gnome.org bug 794801 in gio "/network-monitor/add_networks fails if there is a proxy and glib-networking is installed" [Normal, New] - Assigned to gtkdev
[13:40] <Laney> 🐇
[13:40] <willcooke> seb128, oh I was going to do that at the end
[13:40] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[13:40] <seb128> would maybe be more clear if people added a "no milestoned bug" when they don't have any
[13:40] <Laney> thought we were supposed to put them in the status
[13:41] <seb128> willcooke, oh ok, we said we would include them in status updates
[13:41] <seb128> yes
[13:41] <willcooke> kk, let's do that from here on it, and I can come back to the others at the end
[13:41] <seb128> otherwise we do a review round for those, then one for tagged bugs, then one for...
[13:41] <willcooke> ack
[13:41] <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN
[13:41] <oSoMoN> hey
[13:41] <oSoMoN> • firefox
[13:41] <oSoMoN>   ∘ filed and fixed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1449864
[13:41] <ubot5-ng> bugzilla.mozilla.org bug 1449864 in Release Automation "[snap package] removable-media plug needed to allow saving downloaded files to /media" [Normal, Unconfirmed] - Assigned to olivier
[13:41] <oSoMoN> • chromium
[13:41] <oSoMoN>   ∘ 65.0.3325.181 now in {trusty,xenial,artful}-{security,updates}
[13:41] <oSoMoN>   ∘ catching up on beta builds
[13:42] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
[13:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ prepared 5.4.6 build for artful, currently sitting in the unapproved queue
[13:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ fonts-liberation2 and fonts-hosny-amiri now promoted to main (I had filed MIRs to fix component mismatches a couple of weeks ago)
[13:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ 6.0.3 RC1 is in the candidate channel, and I'm preparing a build of 6.0.3 RC2
[13:42] <oSoMoN> • snaps
[13:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ investigated https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cant-use-input-method-in-snap-apps/4712 and submitted a couple of PRs to make ibus input work out of the box in snaps that use the desktop-gtk{2,3} launchers
[13:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ looked a bit into ibus support in Qt apps, but haven't figured out all the missing pieces yet
[13:42] <oSoMoN> • rls-bb bugs:
[13:42] <oSoMoN>   ∘ bug #1754671 - haven't looked at it yet (too short a week), will do tomorrow
[13:42] <oSoMoN> 🤸
[13:42] <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN
[13:42] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[13:43] <seb128> this week
[13:43] <seb128> • 3 work days only this week
[13:43] <seb128> • reviewed ubuntu-report for source/bin NEW - https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-report
[13:43] <seb128> • helped with some bionic translations issues (e-d-s import, discussed launchpad/plural form/gettext validation issue impacting gnome-shell, snapd, unity indicators) - https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756547 https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/translation-management/4798
[13:43] <seb128> • some sponsoring (gsequencer)
[13:43] <seb128> • updated bolt - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bolt/0.2-0ubuntu1
[13:43] <seb128> • debugged udisks flacky test and backported an upstream fix - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks2/2.7.6-2ubuntu5
[13:43] <seb128> • changed dconf to create ~/.config not as worldreadable - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/d-conf/0.26.0-2ubuntu3
[13:43] <seb128> • spent some time fighting with lxc/lxd/autopkgtest to try to debug the d-conf update issue (which is not an armhf one but a under-lxc problem, thanks Laney for the thint)
[13:43] <seb128> • reviewed the trello board/features status
[13:43] <seb128> • bionic milestoned bugs
[13:43] <seb128> ∘ bug 1756378 - fix uploaded
[13:43] <seb128> ∘ bug 1735929 - half of the fixes uploaded, other coming this week

[13:43] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[13:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[13:43] <tkamppeter> - Milestone Bugs: CUPS 2.2.7 is out and packaged for Debian and Ubuntu fixing lots of bugs, fixes backported from CUPS 2.3.x according to upstream. This includes the known crashers.
[13:43] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.20.2 fixing several bugs. Especially if one creates a print queue with the same name as cups-browsed uses cups-browsed rleases the name then and does not remove the queue on shutdown. Also made distinguishing of remote CUPS printers and IPP network printers more reliable. Uploaded this version also to Ubuntu.
[13:43] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Got a major modification (as pull request) to make the communication between socket and USB printer working without content parsing. Tested this new version and reported what still needs to get fixed.
[13:43] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Made sure that all mentors for OpenPrinting are correctly assigned to their students, asked the non-OpenPrinting groups of the Linux Foundation to do the same and tell about their need of student slots, to find the total number of needed slots.
[13:43] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[13:44] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[13:44] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[13:44] <jbicha> tkamppeter: did you see my comment at LP: #1752579 ?
[13:44] <seb128> willcooke, I've Trevinho's update
[13:44] <seb128> · Various reviews on mutter, landed and cherry picked couple of fixes, including duflu fix
[13:44] <seb128>   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/25
[13:44] <seb128> · Theme fixes (including better usability of window buttons) done and landed:
[13:44] <seb128>   - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/windowbuttons-bg-and-padding/+merge/342171
[13:44] <seb128>   - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/backdrop-switch-fix/+merge/342261
[13:44] <seb128>   - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/only-child-scale-states-fix/+merge/342262
[13:44] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 25 in mutter "renderer-native: Swap then await earlier flips." (comments: 5) [Merged]
[13:44] <seb128>   - https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/headerbar-switch-sep-margins/+merge/342260
[13:44] <seb128> · Found an issue in gtk on scaling css images, wrote and proposed but upstream rejected as not a bug for them.
[13:44] <seb128>  - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/merge_requests/93
[13:44] <seb128> · Moved fix as per above to Mutter then (hidpi fix for mutter theming):
[13:44] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 93 in gtk "cssimagesurface: scale cache using the css provider scaling" (comments: 7) [Closed]
[13:44] <seb128>  - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/61
[13:44] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 61 in mutter "theme, frames: Use surface device scale instead of cairo_scale" (comments: 2) [1. Bug, Opened]
[13:44] <seb128> · More mutter fixes for theming and HiDPI:
[13:44] <seb128>  - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/60
[13:44] <seb128>  - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/62
[13:44] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 60 in mutter "theme: Add ".appmenu" class to the appmenu button" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:44] <seb128>  - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/64
[13:44] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 62 in mutter "theme: Use gtk_render_icon_suface to paint button icons" (comments: 1) [Opened]
[13:45] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 64 in mutter "theme: Get scaling from GDK_SCALE if set" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:45] <seb128>  - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/63
[13:45] <ubot5-ng> GNOME bug (Merge request) 63 in mutter "theme: Allow to override the theme using GTK_THEME env variable" (comments: 2) [Opened]
[13:45] <seb128>  - Working on opacity support (needed by appmenu)
[13:45] <seb128> · Some new review of ken's script:
[13:45] <seb128>  - https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/103
[13:45] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 103 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "If the user-dirs.* exists in the $REALHOME, link them into the snap's XDG_CONFIG_HOME." (comments: 3) [Open]
[13:45] <seb128> · Review and landing of robert u-s-d branch:
[13:45] <seb128>  - https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/accountsservice-background/+merge/335431
[13:45] <tkamppeter> jbicha, yes, but I did not really do any testing not having an appropriate printer.
[13:45] <seb128> </trevinho's update>
[13:45] <jbicha> tkamppeter: I believe you can still file the FFe in that case, just mention that detail
[13:45] <willcooke> Does Trevinho have any milestoned bugs?  Looking....
[13:46] <seb128> bug #1756826 and bug #1758712
[13:46] <seb128> looks like he didn't act on those yet
[13:46] <tkamppeter> jbicha, I have only seen that new upstream version and replaced the upstream source the new one.
[13:46] <seb128> I'm going to remind him :)
[13:46] <tkamppeter> jbicha, and it built.
[13:46] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[13:46] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ please include the status of your assigned/milestoned bugs next week  (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=3v1n0)
[13:47] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[13:47] <willcooke> - Integrated gnome-initial-setup with new ubuntu-report metric service
[13:47] <willcooke> - GNOME Software SRU to Xenial (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/3.20.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)
[13:47] <willcooke> - Update GNOME software patch to mockup featured snaps
[13:48] <willcooke> (looking at his bugs)
[13:48] <willcooke> looks o
[13:48] <willcooke> ok
[13:48] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=robert-ancell has 3
[13:49] <seb128> seems like he didn't look at those yet
[13:49] <willcooke> that's a useful search, thanks seb128, obviously better than mine
[13:49] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ it might be worth reminding him to do that for next week?
[13:49] <seb128> willcooke, :)
[13:50] <willcooke> #topic rls bugs
[13:50] <willcooke> andyrock, any release bugs?
[13:50] <andyrock> nope
[13:51] <willcooke> didrocks, any rls bugs?
[13:51] <didrocks> that was part of my report: I fixed one, didn't mention more as I don't have any still opened, should have been explicit
[13:51] <seb128> is that covering the people where we didn't ask before?
[13:51] <willcooke> yeah
[13:51] <seb128> k
[13:51] <willcooke> well, those who are here
[13:51] <jbicha> my only rls bug was the suspend issue which is done
[13:51] <willcooke> jbicha, any rls bugs?
[13:51] <willcooke> :)
[13:51] <willcooke> thanks
[13:51] <willcooke> jibel, any for you?
[13:51] <seb128> andyrock, you have 2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/?field.assignee=azzar1, but they are waiting for review/sponsoring
[13:52] <andyrock> ah I tough we were talking about http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:52] <willcooke> that's coming next :)
[13:52] <andyrock> ah
[13:52] <jibel> willcooke, I'd like to reconsider bug 1748450 that has benn removed from the list last week.
[13:52] <andyrock> so yeah I'm working on those right now
[13:53] <jibel> other than that anything else is on the list
[13:53] <willcooke> ok, let's review the incoming list then.
[13:53] <seb128> jibel, willcooke, Tim pointed that this issue is a gdm/greeter one and should have no user visible impact out of apport spam
[13:53] <willcooke> This time it will be a simple yes or no as to whether or not we will (try to) fix it
[13:53] <seb128> which we wouldn't have if we turned nagging off by default :p
[13:54] <willcooke> seb128, lets talk about that after the meeting? nagging that is
[13:54] <seb128> k
[13:54] <Laney> again?
[13:54] <willcooke> #topic rls-bb-incoming review
[13:55] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1724439
[13:55] <willcooke> duflu wanted that on the list, and has linked to some upstream fixes
[13:55] <seb128> let's assign to him then?
[13:56] <willcooke> +1
[13:56] <willcooke> just reading upstream
[13:56] <willcooke> next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1741119
[13:57] <willcooke> jibel,  is that happening a lot?
[13:57] <didrocks> quite some dups
[13:58] <seb128> that's likely a dup from the snapd-glib fd leak that andyrock chassed down
[13:58] <seb128> bug #1760795
[13:58] <seb128> it hits a lack of fds
[13:58] <willcooke> k, assigning to robert then
[13:58] <seb128> +1
[13:59] <andyrock> core file should include the list of open files
[13:59] <willcooke> next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1758647
[14:00] <willcooke> Anyone want to take that one?
[14:00] <seb128> yes, you can assign to me I want to at least have a look
[14:00] <willcooke> the Dutchman
[14:00] <seb128> :p
[14:00] <jibel> willcooke, it's frequent but could find a way to reproduce it
[14:00] <jibel> could not*
[14:00] <willcooke> which bit is the right bit? ubiquity?
[14:01] <seb128> g-s I guess
[14:01] <jibel> it could be due to the switch of order of the keyboard page
[14:01] <willcooke> next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks2/+bug/1757321
[14:01] <jbicha> LP: #1754422 was approved by Security, just needs a final MIR approval
[14:02] <willcooke> jbicha, can I assign to you?
[14:02] <seb128> good!
[14:02] <jbicha> willcooke: um, I think it needs a MIR team member to say we're good, after that, I can add the recommends back
[14:02] <jbicha> (I assume we don't need it to be a depends)
[14:02] <seb128> that's a misleading representation of their position
[14:03] <jbicha> approved reluctantly
[14:03] <seb128> but we said we should argue over the bugs content here
[14:03] <seb128> well, they said they would prefer to bring back the old method of handling those
[14:03] <jibel> as long as the dependency is installed on upgrade it's fine
[14:03] <seb128> which we didn't look if it was possible
[14:03] <seb128> anyway, not a topic for that part of the meeting
[14:03] <jbicha> seb128: I don't think it's really practical for us to fork udisks…
[14:04] <willcooke> lets not dig in too deep now, who can own the problem?
[14:04] <seb128> willcooke, we said previous week that we didn't know how to handle a MIR and decided to skip over that one, let's do the same again?
[14:04] <willcooke> ok
[14:04] <seb128> since that's not under our team control
[14:04] <willcooke> maybe next week it will be approved etc
[14:04] <jbicha> I can handle it except that I don't think it's appropriate to assign me the MIR because of MIR processes
[14:04] <seb128> yeah
[14:04] <willcooke> next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/system-config-printer/+bug/1760027
[14:04] <seb128> thx jbicha
[14:05] <seb128> seems like a missing depends
[14:05] <seb128> yes, assign to tkamppeter?
[14:05] <willcooke> ah yes
[14:06] <willcooke> next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1747566
[14:06] <jibel> it was maybe just transitional because it stopped after march 26th
[14:06] <Laney> it only ever had 39 reports, is that a good candidate for a rls bug?
[14:06] <Laney> sorry, moved on already
[14:07] <seb128> Laney, it's trivial to fix if it's a missing depends...
[14:07] <Laney> so every easy bug should be an rls bug?
[14:07] <seb128> I'm unsure we are consistent on what to do for those cases, I though you argued we should fix one of the bugs previous week because it was an obvious error and easy to fix case
[14:08] <seb128> I don't have a strong opinion
[14:08] <didrocks> sounds like on the G-S one that this one got review (yes!) but Marco didn't answer on it for a couple of month, I've always been annoyed by that one, filing up logs
[14:08] <seb128> it would take me less time to upload the fix than this argument :p
[14:08] <willcooke> That next bug is already assigned to Trevinho
[14:08] <willcooke> so going to target
[14:08] <seb128> k
[14:08] <didrocks> yeah, he may needs a ping to fix the comments though
[14:09] <seb128> willcooke, do you have an opinion on the trivial bugs should be targetted or not?
[14:09] <seb128> which is a fair point Laney raised
[14:09] <seb128> didrocks, willcooke, I can nag Trevinho about that comment
[14:09] <didrocks> thx ;)
[14:09] <jibel> for reference, I added this bug because we receive a fair amount of report over a short period of time. But since it stopped, so it could be removed from the list
[14:10] <willcooke> seb128, hard to say.  Each one needs looking at on its own.  If that's a simple fix and tkamppeter has time to fix it, then yes, let's fix it.
[14:10] <jibel> received even
[14:10] <willcooke> next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1577885
[14:10] <seb128> willcooke, that's for foundations I would say
[14:10] <seb128> via the systemd side
[14:11] <didrocks> thanks for keeping an eye on old bug seb128 when comments shed some lights on them! :)
[14:11] <willcooke> could be a network manager bug as well though?  Or feature really.
[14:11] <willcooke> let's see if foundations can fix via systemd
[14:11] <seb128> didrocks, yw!
[14:12] <willcooke> there's seemingly a workaround for that one too
[14:12] <willcooke> moving on
[14:12] <didrocks> I don't think the nework-manager "all users are/aren't allowed to touch wifi" should impact the shutdown time, so systemd for me
[14:12] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128! I understand that you are busy with bug triaging. Just a reminder that we need your advice at bug #1760435. Unity translation is a mess.
[14:12] <willcooke> next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1760308
[14:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, we are in the meeting, but yeah, I started typing on that report
[14:13] <willcooke> GunnarHj, that bug I posted ^ is one from you.  You need some help working out what's going on?  You think it's a release blocker?
[14:14] <seb128> willcooke, I think it's a well known/standard way to input utf chars
[14:14] <seb128> and without it working people might not be able to type things they need (like password)
[14:14] <jbicha> we should check if it only affects GNOME Shell
[14:14] <Laney> ☄works for me
[14:14] <GunnarHj> willcooke: I have no idea what's causing it, but I consider it important for those affected.
[14:14] <seb128> I think I would +1 targetting it
[14:15] <willcooke> who can help on that one?
[14:15] <GunnarHj> Would be good if someone could check if it works on Fedora.
[14:15] <GunnarHj> with 3.28
[14:15] <seb128> that wouldn't help us much
[14:15] <seb128> still need to figure out the issue
[14:16] <seb128> willcooke, I guess I can have a look and assign back to someone else if needed
[14:16] <willcooke> thanks a lot seb128
[14:16] <willcooke> looking at the others....
[14:17] <willcooke> looks ok
[14:17] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:17] <willcooke> Anyone got anything else?
[14:18] <willcooke> going once
[14:18] <didrocks> shouldn't bug #1718254 be reviewed as well ? (dx-packages and unknown section)
[14:18]  * didrocks wonders why the importance is set to critical
[14:18] <Laney> there are some bugs on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html that have nobody assigned
[14:19] <k_alam> GunnarHj: Can explain it bit more why wouldn't it work X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes if template is working?
[14:20] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1758035
[14:21] <willcooke> looks like duflu is looking at that one
[14:21] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1631750
[14:21] <willcooke> jbicha, are you looking at that one? ^
[14:21] <jbicha> willcooke: no, that's a very complex feature request, won't happen for 18.04 really
[14:22] <willcooke> should we untarget it?
[14:22] <didrocks> that's the one we workarounded last cycle with the additional button, correct?
[14:22] <jbicha> didrocks: yes
[14:22] <didrocks> imho, it's too large at this stage of the cycle and shouldn't be consider, plus, we have an (ugly) workaround, but tested at least
[14:22] <jbicha> at least complex enough it's not been fixed in a year and a half
[14:23] <didrocks> yeah, it should be planned as a card from the start of the cycle IMHO
[14:23] <didrocks> as a feature
[14:23] <Laney> it already has a card
[14:23] <didrocks> :)
[14:24] <willcooke> So should I just click the delete icon for Bionic?
[14:24] <willcooke> Need to hurry up as I have another meeting
[14:24] <didrocks> +1
[14:24] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/session-migration/+bug/1735929
[14:24] <jbicha> willcooke: yes
[14:24] <willcooke> looks like seb128 and didrocks are on the case
[14:24] <jbicha> (I reclosed the Deja Dup gigacage bug)
[14:24] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1751252
[14:25] <willcooke> waiting for Steve to comment
[14:25] <didrocks> pending slangasek to answer apparently
[14:25] <seb128> willcooke, that's one for foundations I would say
[14:25] <didrocks> he might need a ping
[14:25] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1735415
[14:25] <willcooke> Looks like Robert is looking at it
[14:26] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1749472
[14:26] <willcooke> looks like tsimonq2 is looking at that one and has a fix ^
[14:26] <willcooke> and then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd-glib/+bug/1760795
[14:26] <willcooke> which we know about
[14:26] <didrocks> yep
[14:26] <seb128> right
[14:26] <willcooke> I think that's all of that list
[14:27] <willcooke> oh
[14:27] <willcooke> good timing
[14:28] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[14:28] <kenvandine> :)
[14:28] <kenvandine> * Attempted to reproduce bug #1750995, which was live session taking several minutes to logout.  I can no longer reproduce the issue with the daily live image from 03/27/2018. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/1750995
[14:28] <kenvandine> * Fixed gnome-control-center spawning mulitple instances of system-config-printers (LP: #1755514)
[14:28] <kenvandine> * Debugged and fixed issues with xrdp and Hyper-V logging in with the proper Ubuntu session https://github.com/jterry75/xrdp-init/pull/21
[14:28] <kenvandine> * More progress on XDG User Dirs handling, I've gotten support for reading the user's user-dirs.dirs which fixes the translated directories issues but still working on migrating data in existing dirs.  https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/103
[14:28] <Laney> some of those need a bit of cleaning up
[14:28] <ubot5-ng> jterry75 bug (Pull request) 21 in xrdp-init "Use the Ubuntu session for 18.04 " (comments: 1) [Closed]
[14:28] <ubot5-ng> ubuntu bug (Pull request) 103 in snapcraft-desktop-helpers "If the user-dirs.* exists in the $REALHOME, link them into the snap's XDG_CONFIG_HOME." (comments: 3) [Open]
[14:28] <Laney> oops
[14:28] <kenvandine> ⚾
[14:28] <willcooke> kenvandine, there are a couple of actions up there for you ^^ and could you poke jamesh about meeting updates again please :)
[14:28] <kenvandine> willcooke, sure :)
[14:29] <willcooke> Laney, do you want chair while I go to a meeting, and then you can close the meeting later
[14:29] <willcooke> or shall we just close now and carry on?
[14:30] <Laney> it's ok
[14:30] <Laney> Just we went through them a bit fast without closing tasks or assigning people
[14:30] <Laney> means we probably look at the same bugs again next week :P
[14:30] <Laney> so I tried to do that
[14:30] <Laney> no need to keep the meeting
[14:30] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Apr  3 14:30:45 2018 UTC.
[14:30] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-04-03-13.31.moin.txt
[14:30] <didrocks> thx
[14:35] <seb128> kenvandine, willcooke, we rushed a bit through end of meeting and AOB, but would be nice to land ubuntu-welcome this week/for beta, what's the status?
[14:36] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll find out, in a meeting right now
[14:36] <Laney> missed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1706939 too
[14:36] <seb128> kenvandine, thx
[14:36] <seb128> Laney, right
[14:38] <seb128> jibel, tkamppeter, Laney, those s-c-p report were from lxde session it seems so I guess lubuntu just added a depends to gir1.2-secret-1 or something
[14:42] <Laney> fair enough
[14:42] <Laney> if the depends is missing it's a clear fix
[14:42] <jbicha> seb128: tkamppeter: s-c-p-common already recommends gir1.2-secret-1 but Lubuntu doesn't install Recommends :( (it apparently needs bumped to a Depends anyway)
[14:43] <seb128> right
[14:45] <seb128> GunnarHj, I commented on the indicators bug
[14:45] <GunnarHj> seb128: thx
[14:50] <jbicha> seb128: was there anything more to discuss with LP: #1754422 ?
[14:50] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1754422 in volume-key (Ubuntu) "[MIR] volume-key" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754422
[14:51] <seb128> jbicha, I don't think so, I was just pointing out that saying that the security team gave a +1 was somewhat misleading
[14:51] <jbicha> ok
[14:51] <seb128> I didn't look if it would be easy to revert to the old way of handling encrypted devices
[14:52] <jbicha> you mean revert to artful's udisks2, right?
[14:52] <seb128> would be nice if upstream has such reviews when they consider adopting new depends
[14:52] <seb128> well, either revert commits for that specific feature
[14:52] <seb128> or version
[14:53] <jbicha> my understanding is that the problem is they switched to libblockdev
[15:25] <GunnarHj> seb128: The bionic templates indicator-* seem to be back. See for instance:
[15:25] <GunnarHj> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+translations
[15:25] <GunnarHj> Do you have any idea what's going on?
[15:28] <Trevinho> willcooke, seb128: sorry I sent the status update first than you sent the the email so I didn't add milestone bugs, but well theme and g-s fix are in the radar or allmost done. Nautilus needs some more study
[15:29] <Laney> yeah do-release-upgrade -d totally just worked
[15:29]  * Laney doesn't see this gnome-menus bug
[15:30] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:34] <GunnarHj> seb128: Saw your latest bug comment. Ok.
[15:37] <GunnarHj> seb128: Somebody may have thought that they shouldn't have so high priority any longer, which I can understand, but then they should have lowered the priority and not deactivated, right?
[16:14] <seb128> GunnarHj, yeah, I don't know who desactivated them and why, and we don't have an activity log for those changes
[16:20] <seb128> willcooke, Laney, kenvandine, sorry, I had my days shifted with the monday off and only saw the reminder for that meeting 10 min after it started :/
[16:20] <kenvandine> seb128, no worries!
[16:21] <seb128> kenvandine, you are off in the next days?
[16:21] <kenvandine> yeah, rest of the week
[16:22] <seb128> k, I guess somebody else needs to catch Robert about uploading the wizard then
[16:22] <seb128> kenvandine, enjoy the days off!
[16:25] <jbicha> did we decide whether we were going to take over the gnome-initial-setup package for that upload or do a separate source package?
[16:25] <kenvandine> seb128, i emailed robert and included willcooke on it to cover for me while I'm out
[16:25] <kenvandine> jbicha, i think a new package
[16:25] <seb128> thanks
[16:35] <kenvandine> willcooke, just saw the xdg-desktop-portals PR for snap support was merged today!
[16:35]  * kenvandine does a little dance
[16:36] <willcooke> \m/
[16:36] <willcooke> thanks Alex
[16:41] <Laney> thalex
[17:05] <Laney> night!
[17:05]  * Laney goes to check if the pond got filled up during the monsoon
[17:05] <willcooke> see ya Laney
[17:06] <didrocks> bye bye Laney
[17:19] <willcooke> night all
[17:51] <jbicha> kenvandine: I installed the Solus Steam snap following the instructions at https://github.com/solus-project/linux-steam-integration
[17:52] <jbicha> it seems to work (except I can't figure out hidpi). I'm not really a gamer though :)
[17:53] <jbicha> I opened LP: #1759715 because the steam package we inherited from Debian has some issues
[17:53] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1759715 in steam (Ubuntu) "Remove steam and add to sync blacklist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759715
[19:20] <kenvandine> jbicha, that's great, actually i think his issues were more about using his solus base snap
[19:21] <kenvandine> jbicha, oh, and --devmode
[19:21] <kenvandine> so not confined yet
[19:29] <jbicha> yeah, it's not actually available for install in GNOME Software yet
[20:10] <oSoMoN> good night all
[21:02] <tsimonq2> Laney: That mesa bug was fixed months ago and nobody closed the bug.


[04:39] <delt> Hello
[04:39] <delt> quick question, is there a way to mark a package so that it doesn't get updated? ie. if i'm working on a project, and i don't want apt-get to overwrite my local version of that project....?
[16:10] <holstein> delt: package pinning
[16:10] <holstein> delt: you can do that from the GUI easily in synaptic
[16:11] <holstein> delt: it can be problematic
[19:49] <jarnos_> htop shows 150% CPU usage for X when I use Google Maps by Firefox on Ubuntu Studio 14.04 64bit.
[19:49] <holstein> jarnos_: is that flash?
[19:49] <holstein> jarnos_: if so, try the pepperflash in chrome..
[19:49] <holstein> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[19:50] <jarnos_> holstein, I think it is not flash.
[19:51] <holstein> jarnos_: cool.. just confirm that it is or not, and  go from there
[19:51] <holstein> jarnos_: you can always easily install chromium-browser or something like midori and test.. isolate firefox from the euqation easily
[20:01] <jarnos_> holstein, there is an issue with chromium-browser in my system: mouse cursor stops moving, if I e.g. watch youtube video, and I have to reboot.
[20:01] <holstein> jarnos_: sure, friend.. again, thats flash related
[20:01] <holstein> jarnos_: you can see at http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ where, flash is *not* provided for linux desktop anymore
[20:02] <holstein> jarnos_: you can visit http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ and see that your flash version is older, and consider using the pepperflash i reference, that, as uyou can read at http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ is the latest version
[20:02] <jarnos_> holstein, no, it also happens, if I have not installed that pepperflash thing.
[20:03] <holstein> jarnos_: how about this, *try* using the pepperflash, since, you state you have not, and you and i can both read, factually, that adobe doesnt support your situation now
[20:03] <holstein> i think you'll find that, your issue with youtue in chromium is directly related to flash, and im assuming that the google chrome issue in firefox is also related
[20:04] <holstein> if you find that its not.. you can use
[20:04] <holstein> !bug
[20:04] <holstein> and the support channels for adobe, and firefox directly to try and work it out.. and also, main #ubuntu ,since ubuntustudio is just pulling in firefox and other parts of this, and not doing anything to prevent them from working
[20:05] <holstein> jarnos_: to prevent from having to "reboot" while testing, use TTY
[20:05] <holstein> !tty
[20:05] <holstein> you can either reboot there without forcing anything, or kill processes
[20:10] <_DB> sup
[20:10] <_DB> I'm a game developer just bought a new laptop but it came with windows 8
[20:10] <jarnos_> holstein, the problem is with chromium with and without pepperflash.
[20:11] <_DB> was wondering does ubuntu studio come with any 3 modelling programs / photoshop like programs / and music producing programs
[20:12] <jarnos_> holstein, problem might be a bug in graphics driver.
[20:15] <jarnos_> holstein, do you think I could make cursor move again without rebooting?
[20:43] <jarnos_> holstein, I could test google maps in chromium without flash and hardware acceleration disabled (in advanced settings) and it is still faster than in Firefox.
[21:27] <OvenWerks> _DB: Blender comes top mind
[21:29] <OvenWerks> Blender was used to create Sintel, Big Buck Bunny and others.
[21:36] <rwb> Blender (3D modeling/animation), Gimp (Photoshop) Ardour (DAW)...  I would separate Ardour on its own machine though if you are serious about an audio workstation.


[07:50] <JackYu> ypwong, the latest version of qtqq: http://ubuntuone.com/53T8K2odMvxOFjgA8jTzp6
[07:55] <ypwong> JackYu, thanks, but it's buggy
[07:55] <ypwong> friend list does not show any one of my friends
[07:55] <ypwong> the only thing i can do is login
[07:57] <JackYu> 登录以后可以看到好友列表和群
[07:57] <JackYu> 但功能仍然很弱
[08:03] <ypwong> JackYu, 我这边看不到。
[08:04] <ypwong> tried two different accounts
[08:09] <JackYu> 我将登录后的显示情况截屏发给你了
[08:09] <JackYu> 可以看到好友、群和最近联系人
[08:09] <JackYu> ypwong, 发你邮箱了
[08:10] <ypwong> 所以程序 bug 啊，或者是因为我用 12.04.2?
[08:10] <JackYu> 噢。。。有可能
[08:11] <JackYu> 我是在13.04上build的