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[17:35] <upgrader> I have a VM of lubuntu 18.10 on windows+virtualbox. all the usual update methods are failing. how can I get onto 20.04 or some other lts?
[17:38] <upgrader> I think i fixed it by changing to old.* releases https://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[20:06] <hsinou> hello all


[03:11] <nalioth> !member | michalski
[03:11] <ubotu> michalski: Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[03:12] <michalski> wow thanks
[10:45] <sordith> how would somebody go about making a complaint up about a certain Ubuntu Developer, when he failed to respect the Community Guidelines in multiple points?
[10:52] <ompaul> hardly an IRC issue
[10:52] <sordith> how would you know without having heard anything about the issue yet?
[10:52] <ompaul> well then saying developer is masking the issue
[10:53] <sordith> the behaviour was observed here on IRC
[10:53] <ompaul> have you logs?
[10:53] <sordith> if they are required, then i can serve logs
[10:54] <ompaul> you will be required to back up your case
[10:54] <ompaul> now was it an irc issue?
[10:54] <sordith> thats not the main problem for me at the moment, how to backup my claims
[10:54] <ompaul> in an official ubuntu channel?
[10:54] <sordith> i am at my first step to find out who to address
[10:55] <ompaul> define what the problem as you saw it was
[10:55] <ompaul> where it happened
[10:55] <ompaul> I really can't point you in any direction until you do that
[10:55] <sordith> the situation started on #ubuntu-uk, from there i was taken to #ubuntu-ops, where the situation was escalating further, then i was taken to this channel here, where the climax of abuse happened
[10:56] <ompaul> and what was your contribution to this
[10:56] <sordith> my contribution was to play the role of a black sheep for a heavily disturbeb anti social personality
[10:56] <sordith> s/disturbed
[10:57] <ompaul> was this on Friday by any chance?
[10:58] <sordith> i need to check when that was
[10:58] <ompaul> please do so
[10:59] <sordith> Feb 20th, around 10 GMT
[11:00] <ompaul> and give me the nick of the wronged party as you saw
[11:00] <ompaul> it
[11:01] <sordith> the cause was popey, the helpers were Tm_T and Daviey
[11:02] <ompaul> no
[11:02] <ompaul> that is not what I asked
[11:02] <ompaul> what I asked was what was the nick of the party that was considered wronged?
[11:03] <sordith> can you express "considered wronged" in a more simplified way so non-native speakers understand what you are asking for?
[11:04] <ompaul> the person who was on the wrong end of the stick -- you are here making claims and further to that -- you are
[11:05] <ompaul> suggesting they have been wronged
[11:06] <ompaul> ohh well - failure to communicate and I have not got all day
[11:08] <sordith> i am not sure if i get your point, but i was target of popey who felt the need to escalate a situation more and more, and Tm_T and Daviey were helping him to make me feel really bad
[11:08] <ompaul> that kind of text reads in a really familiar way
[11:09] <sordith> i cant control your intuition, nor do i want to
[11:09] <sordith> i am still on my first step to find out who to address with my problem
[11:09] <ompaul> if you are indeed the party they assumed you were you are prohibited from entering freenode
[11:09] <ompaul> if not then fine
[11:09] <sordith> ompaul: shall we ask christel if she has time to fix your problem?
[11:09] <ompaul> hahahaha
[11:10] <sordith> whats funny about that?
[11:10] <sordith> i talked to christel a few times, she knows who i am. and i am sure she can help you with your current problem
[11:11] <sordith> in case you feel a need to blow the current situatioon out of proportion you make my problem much more complex, because i will have to address your behaviour also
[11:11] <ompaul> in what context
[11:11] <ompaul> I find it funny that you refer to staff - I am not staff and have not been for a long time
[11:11] <sordith> feel free to read the backlog since we started to talk while i enjoy a cigarette in my kitchen
[11:14] <ompaul> right so - I am out of here - message time
[11:16] <sordith> try to keep simple problems simple. if your mental state does not allow currently, take a break
[11:17] <sordith> let freenode staff worry whether a person is allowed to visit the network
[11:17] <sordith> now, who do i address with my problem, please?
[11:52] <sordith> thats no problem if i need to take some more time and patience
[11:52] <sordith> i am a nice person actually, if the other involved people manage to communicate in a non-violent manner
[12:52]  * sordith is still waiting patiently
[12:55] <sordith> at the moment my situation feels like the responsible people here think something like "to best we can do is to ignore the problem of this dude"
[12:55] <sordith> that is indeed better than trying to make me go away by brute force
[12:56] <sordith> if popey had style and a stable personality, he could easily fix the problem he caused, by telling me something simple like "sorry for causing harm, lets move on"
[12:58] <sordith> i expect other people to help to keep simple problems simple, so i really want to try to live that by own example
[13:01] <popey> as I said at the time, take it up with whoever you need to, irc council or community council
[13:01] <sordith> popey: why do you want me to escalate the situation between you and me?
[13:02] <popey> There is no issue between you and me as far as I am aware, but if you have an issue with me then I can only suggest you take it up with the appropriate prople.
[13:02] <popey> *people
[13:02] <sordith> popey: the source of our problem is obviously, that you are convinced about the fact that i should not be allowed to visit this chat network. is that so?
[13:02] <popey> Whether that be the Ubuntu IRC council, Freenode or the Ubuntu Community council.
[13:03] <popey> one moment, brb
[13:03] <sordith> take your time
[13:05] <sordith> popey: i joined #ubuntu-uk and you could have simple asked me to leave, because you dont like me for whatever reason. instead you used a ban and told me to go to #ubuntu-ops, where i was treated bad and banned with the comment to go to #ubuntu-irc where i was treated bad and banned
[13:06] <sordith> the reason seems to be that i used to have beef with christel many years ago, which was escalated by multiple people do some massive IRC drama
[13:07] <sordith> there is 2 questions: what benefit do you personally have, when i constantly fall from the network?
[13:07] <sordith> and why is it so hard to keep problems on the smallest possible level?
[13:08] <sordith> what i did to christel was not right. but you cant imagine how often i paid for that already
[13:09] <sordith> so when that is sorted out that i was punished often enough for some private conflict that happened years ago, the next problem to sort out is, that my personality obviously causes discomfort
[13:10] <sordith> there is nothing wrong by telling me, that i am not liked
[13:10] <popey> you are not liked
[13:10] <sordith> there is also nothing wrong by giving me instructions how to do better
[13:10] <sordith> the complaint from me is how that is communicated
[13:11] <sordith> the less violence is involved, the easier i can accept it
[13:12] <sordith> my main problem is, that i unwillingly play the black sheep for a few people who are pretty close to anti social personality disorder
[13:12] <sordith> and i cant fix that all alone
[13:12] <popey> you could start by not insulting me every time I see you
[13:12] <sordith> how did i insult you, as that was not my plan, please?
[13:12] <popey> 12:56:57 < sordith> if popey had style and a stable personality, he could easily fix the problem he caused, by telling me something simple like "sorry for causing harm, lets  move on"
[13:13] <sordith> how is that insulting to you?
[13:13] <popey> calling me unstable
[13:13] <sordith> i admit that can hurt feelings of a sensible and sensitive person, but i dont find that insulting
[13:13] <sordith> cause i did not call you unstable
[13:13] <popey> you implied it
[13:14] <popey> I'm not going to waste my sunday afternoon arguing that
[13:14] <sordith> i made that a condition, that if you are stable and if you have style, then you manage to fix a problem that you caused
[13:14] <popey> Anyway, I have already said what I think you should do
[13:15] <sordith> and i dont plan to go harassing you all sunday about small, not important details. all i wanted is to solve the dispute between you and me
[13:15] <popey> take it to the irc council, cc or freenode
[13:15] <sordith> but i also dont plan to esclate this problem further by writing mails or contacting other people
[13:15] <popey> stalemate then
[13:15] <sordith> so you are not willing to keep small problems as small as possible?
[13:16] <popey> I am not willing to waste my sunday afternoon discussing something which could be resolved by a 3rd party
[13:16] <sordith> i am quite sorry then, because the Code of Conduct that you signed as Ubuntu Developer should enable you, to keep problems that _you_ cause simple and small, without unnecessary escalation
[13:17] <popey> this is a necessary escalation IMO
[13:17] <sordith> and its quite scary that i have to lecture you on your guidelines
[13:17] <popey> you dont
[13:17] <popey> you think you do
[13:17] <popey> but you dont
[13:19] <sordith> i just need to move on and go at risk that you do again, what you did on #ubuntu-uk with me, running me then through #ubuntu-ops and #ubuntu-irc to get more and more beatings, only to give you the feeling you helped to punish somebody for something you dont even know?
[13:20] <popey> I apologise for telling you to go to #ubuntu-ops, that was merely a mistake of mine, not realising which channel dealt with these issues
[13:20] <popey> I should have directed you to #ubuntu-irc it seems
[13:20] <sordith> accepted, and i appologize for all the mistakes i did which affected you directly or indirectly
[13:20] <sordith> you can be sure that i will keep working on my personality problems
[13:21] <sordith> you can also be sure that i will do my best to be an advocate of the Freenode Policy and the Freenode Guidelines
[13:33] <sordith> have a good day you all
[14:27] <ompaul> anyone with ops here?
[14:28] <PriceChild> I do yes.
[14:29] <ompaul> PriceChild, see -ops
[14:29] <ompaul> PriceChild,  actually now just mute the other one
[14:29] <ompaul> please
[14:31] <ompaul> PriceChild, you now have two live bots here - please mute ubotu
[14:31] <ompaul> !test
[14:31] <ubotwo> Fbiled.
[14:32] <ompaul> thanks
[14:32] <ompaul> PriceChild, now you know - we will never know :)
[21:03] <zack> hello there
[21:03] <zack> anyone there
[21:03] <zack> ok then
[21:13] <nalioth> wow a whole 30 seconds
[21:16] <Seeker`> nalioth: thats a long time for some people
[21:19] <tonyyarusso> I IRC at relativistic speeds!
[21:20] <no0tic> :)
[21:25] <no0tic> he probably was on a spaceship


[05:22] <luna_> Hello, my computer failed to update from a 5.4 kernel to a 5.8 kernel as i did not have enough diskspace, and broke my system, any easy way to fix this from a live DVD or is reinstalling the best option?
[05:54] <guiverc> luna_, please don't cross post !
[06:15] <guiverc> luna_, I'd treat it like any other failed system due to disk space. select an older kernel at boot & make space, or boot a live system & create space there. I'd not try and login to GUI until space issue resolved (I'd also use runlevel 1 only probably until resolved & `apt -f install` complete successfully.. I've not used rhino, but groovy updated a few days ago to 5.8 I thought
[06:20] <Maik> Rhino follows the devel series of changes/packages, in this case Groovy at this point so that's why they got 5.8 too. Keep in mind that Rhino isn't a official release, it's just a tool to convert an Ubuntu daily build image into a “rolling release”. :)
[06:24] <luna_> guiverc: trying to fix it via chroot now, but now sure how to mount ZFS on an Ubuntu Live DVD
[06:25] <luna_> but only getting unknown filesystem type 'zfs member'
[06:25] <luna_> 'zfs_member'
[06:26] <guiverc> i have no experience with ZFS so cannot help. (I've also no experience on rhino, been on groovy near 5 months though)
[06:26] <luna_> ah alright
[08:00] <tomreyn> make sure the ubuntu live dvd is of the same ubuntu release as the one you are trying to repair.
[08:30] <luna_> Got the system saved now, just having a small system, missing the kernel module to get Ethernet working, anyone can help me solve that?
[08:30] <luna_> tomreyn: it is
[08:31] <tomreyn> luna_: pleas edon't keep cross posting
[08:34] <tomreyn> so you'Re building initramfs with MODULES=dep or =list ?
[08:34] <luna_> tomreyn: i installed the generic-kernel
[08:34] <luna_> so guessing thats missing the axl module and other things i need
[08:34] <luna_> reinstalled*
[08:36] <tomreyn> geez cross-posting to 4 channels, you should really know better by now
[08:39] <luna_> works on a Live DVD but not on the installed system, is there any way to find out what module is being used, and reinstall it?
[08:57] <tomreyn> luna_: you know, this egomaniac approach makes me not want to spend time on supporting you. which otherwise i would. please reconsider your approach next time.
[09:18] <luna_> fixed my broken system now with help, now time to watch aKademy :)
[18:15] <justabeginner> I've install Groovy Gorilla (daily build)
[18:15] <justabeginner> hello people,I am seeking help to set up post installation of Ubuntu on my new Lenovo Ideapad Flex 5 with AMD Ryzen 4 4500 CPU
[18:15] <justabeginner> the trackpad is not working.
[18:16] <justabeginner> have upgrade kernel to Linux 5.9 which the touchscreen is became not working.  now I am booted to Linux 5.8 which touchscreen works
[18:18] <tomreyn> you'll probably need to compromise for now.
[18:19] <justabeginner> need to compromise because hardware is newer ?
[18:19] <justabeginner> tomreyn
[18:19] <tomreyn> to hunt for potential workarounds, see your system logs, identify error messages, search the web for them.
[18:19] <tomreyn> yes, compromise because hardware is very recent
[18:20] <tomreyn> or maybe because things are currently broken in groovy
[18:20] <tomreyn> or both ;-)
[18:21] <justabeginner> I am coming from Debian. Installed Debian stable which graphic card is not supported. Reinstalled Debian testing to sort out the Amd gpu issue and found touch screen is not working
[18:21] <justabeginner> so here I am trying Ubuntu (based on the youtube video review)
[18:22] <tomreyn> it's probably a too early for debian with this hardware
[18:23] <justabeginner> totally, I spent 3 days for wifi, gpu, trackpad, touchscreen driver with Debian stable & testing


[13:24] <smoser> jwilx, how did you see this failure ?
[13:24] <smoser> i laucnhed a vm, and it has 0.7.6 , which is not new enough to see the errors you were seeing.
[15:13] <jwilx> smoser: I had to update it
[15:13] <jwilx> pacman -Syu
[15:13] <jwilx> after I did that
[15:13] <jwilx> it broke
[15:13] <jwilx> when i rebooted
[15:14] <smoser> ah. ok.
[15:33] <jwilx> smoser: did you try it?
[15:34] <smoser> no. not tired updating. that makes sense though.
[15:34] <smoser> jwilx, do you know.. is there openstack api access to luna ?
[15:34] <smoser> or is it just their api, which i think is different.
[15:34] <jwilx> idk
[15:34] <jwilx> you can make a ticket and ask
[19:07] <harlowja> smoser so what was the thoughts on better 'in-image' testing
[19:07] <harlowja> @nrezinorn ^
[19:07] <smoser> in-image ?
[19:08] <smoser> jwilx, i did open a ticket.
[19:08] <smoser> "We use openstack as our backend, but the api is not exposed to public."
[19:09] <smoser> which i responded to with something like "kind of pointless to advertise 'openstack' to someone if you're not exposing the API". i can't think of anything else that would make someone care if you were running openstack
[19:26] <harlowja> smoser like say, building an image with a cloud-init release, then starting it, then, putting it through a few validations, then saying good/bad
[19:27] <smoser> harlowja, so id' really like to not build an image.
[19:27] <smoser> but be able to start from an image
[19:27] <smoser> building is possible, but .. .just a lot less crap if i can pull one.
[19:27] <harlowja> kk
[19:27] <harlowja> fair
[19:28] <harlowja> nrezinorn yt
[19:28] <smoser> so i have a short term hack plan...
[19:28] <smoser> to get lxc working
[19:29] <smoser> generally to allow us to use lxc to pull images, then run arbitrary commands in those images (such as apt-get install) and then to snapshot that and run some tests on it.
[19:29] <smoser> then, a larger long term goal to generalize such that lxc is just a "backend"
[19:29] <smoser> and able to plug in other backends
[19:41] <harlowja> ok, i wonder if nrezinorn and i can pull some strings to get a testing cloud account on godaddy cloud
[19:41] <harlowja> nrezinorn has been at godaddy longer, might know some folks
[19:41] <harlowja> then we could just use some real images
[19:41] <harlowja> *godaddy public cloud
[19:43] <smoser> harlowja, there are centos images too publicly
[19:44] <smoser> and we could make a backend that tested them with nocloud
[19:44] <smoser> but, yeah, for an openstack coud test, we'd need an openstack. :)
[19:45] <harlowja> ya, nrezinorn is eating or something
[19:45] <harlowja> so maybe he has strings that i don't have
[19:47] <smoser> harlowja, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/306391
[19:48] <smoser> does that look sane to you
[19:48] <harlowja> looks sane to me
[19:48] <harlowja> i've been using plumbum recently
[19:49] <harlowja> its sorta neat
[19:49] <harlowja> it sorta abstracts subprocess
[19:49] <harlowja> and makes it work on remote machines also
[19:49] <harlowja> https://github.com/tomerfiliba/plumbum/#plumbum-shell-combinators
[19:49] <nrezinorn> harlowja: i dont have magic powers to get hookups on accounts lol
[19:49] <harlowja> wtf
[19:49] <harlowja> nrezinorn ma
[19:49] <harlowja> *man
[19:49] <harlowja> lol
[19:50] <harlowja> have u completed the magic power quest
[19:50] <harlowja> i guess not
[19:50] <nrezinorn> also the public cloud doesnt expose the openstack apis...  :P
[19:50] <harlowja> i can work through that
[19:50] <harlowja> it doesn't, but it exposes 'close-enough'
[19:50] <nrezinorn> lol
[19:50] <nrezinorn> what do we need to ask for?  "can we get free vms"  lol
[19:51] <harlowja> a free account for cloud-init CI
[19:51] <harlowja> with limited quota
[19:51] <nrezinorn> ok ill ask this week
[19:51] <smoser> chain = ls["-a"] | grep["-v", "\\.py"] | wc["-l"]
[19:51] <smoser> how is that a thing ?
[19:51] <harlowja> nrezinorn see u do know people
[19:51] <harlowja> :)
[19:51] <smoser> is | an operator ?
[19:51] <harlowja> yup
[19:51] <harlowja> >>> 1 | 2
[19:51] <harlowja> 3
[19:52] <harlowja> bit-wise or
[19:52] <harlowja> https://github.com/tomerfiliba/plumbum/#remote-commands-over-ssh is the neat part imho
[19:52] <harlowja> makes the same stuff work on remote machines
[19:52] <harlowja> which i'm using to build out https://github.com/harlowja/multi-devstack smoser
[19:53] <harlowja> (yes yes i shoudl just use juju)
[19:53] <harlowja> i know u about to say that
[19:53] <harlowja> lol
[19:53] <smoser> harlowja, or you couild use anvil
[19:53] <smoser> i think i read about that somewhere
[19:53] <harlowja> nah
[19:54] <harlowja> there was only one maintainer of it
[19:54] <harlowja> and he got tired of being the only one
[19:54] <harlowja> lol
[19:54] <harlowja> (swimming against a stream...)
[19:54] <harlowja> (got boring pretty quick)
[19:54] <harlowja> well not pretty quick, since i guess i started it 3 years ago
[19:54] <harlowja> but quick enough
[19:54] <harlowja> lol
[19:55] <harlowja> quick like a turtle
[19:56] <smoser> ah..
[19:56] <smoser> makes sense.
[19:56] <smoser> but multi-devstack, that will be different!
[19:57] <harlowja> lol
[19:57] <harlowja> ya, its overdue
[19:58] <harlowja> i need to figure out how to create a overlay network though
[19:58] <harlowja> because how this works is that it spins up VMs in an existing openstack cloud
[19:58] <harlowja> then starts targeting each VM as a specific 'kind'
[19:58] <harlowja> and gets devstack cloned on each VM
[19:59] <harlowja> then tells devstack to make this node a hypervisor, or make this node a DB
[19:59] <harlowja> and out pops a mini-openstack
[19:59] <harlowja> which is running in your other openstack
[19:59] <harlowja> so u could theortically boot VMs inside this mini-openstack
[20:00] <harlowja> (but networking is gonna be tricky)
[20:01] <smoser> harlowja, can you tell me why 'tox -e py3' fails, but
[20:01] <smoser>  tox-venv py3 nosetests tests/unittests/test_util.py
[20:01] <smoser> is fine
[20:01] <smoser> ie, just runnin the one file is good. but the whole thing bad.
[20:02] <harlowja> its prob u
[20:02] <harlowja> lol
[20:02] <harlowja> j/k
[20:02] <harlowja> seems weird :-P
[20:02] <harlowja> which `nosetests` is the last one running
[20:02] <harlowja> is it really running inside the venv?
[20:03] <smoser>  tox -e py3 tests/unittests/test_util.py
[20:03] <smoser> that fails too.
[20:03] <smoser> but tox -e py3
[20:03] <smoser> er... wait
[20:03] <smoser>  tox -e py3 tests/unittests/test_util.py
[20:03] <smoser> works
[20:03] <smoser>  tox -e py3
[20:03] <smoser> shows failure
[20:03] <harlowja> weird
[20:05] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23212980/
[20:05] <smoser> something is mucking with os.environ
[20:05] <harlowja> wasn't me
[20:18] <smoser> cc_growpart module is messing it up
[20:20] <harlowja> who wrote that crap
[20:20] <harlowja> lol
[20:20] <harlowja> hahahaa
[20:31] <smoser> harlowja, is that mock.patch going to be sufficiently old to run on cent ?
[20:32] <smoser> or will you not care because unit tests would run in tox ?
[20:34] <harlowja> ya, unittests in tox
[20:34] <harlowja> everything is old on cent
[20:34] <harlowja> its the nature of the game
[20:34] <harlowja> old == more stable remember
[20:34] <harlowja> lol
[21:00] <smoser> harlowja, https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/306283
[21:00] <smoser> that seems sane..
[21:00] <smoser> you've tested that it has some affect ?
[21:20] <harlowja> smoser cancel that one for now
[21:20] <harlowja> nrezinorn is coming up with those patches
[21:20] <harlowja> gonna let him submit up
[21:20] <harlowja> oh, nm
[21:21] <harlowja> well he may have a new set anyway
[21:21] <harlowja> lol
[21:21] <harlowja> but yes that change should be fine, smoser though i don't think its the full thing
[21:21] <harlowja> might be better to have a cloud-init-local-rhel.service
[21:21] <harlowja> because there are also stupid name differences
[21:21] <harlowja> nrezinorn will have a few more changes soonish
[21:30] <harlowja> smoser did u ever hear back from the amazon folks that dropped by once?
[21:30] <harlowja> did they go silent again
[21:57] <nrezinorn> soonish, lol  - im ocd and unless i am happy with it i will have nothing :P
[22:09] <harlowja> notttthing!
[22:09] <harlowja> lol
[22:19] <harlowja> smoser do u know if there is someone who can send a folk here our copy of the signed godaddy + canonical CLA
[22:20] <harlowja> the folks here don't seem to have one, and when i was checking to make sure nrezinorn was on it, they were like we never got a copy, but nrezinorn should be fine to go ahead and submit stuff
[22:20] <harlowja> so anyone u know who can send a guy here an email :-P
[22:20] <harlowja> (with that copy or whatever)


[01:44] <zumo__> Anyone here using lubuntu ppc?
[02:20] <zumo__> Can anybody help me with a ppc installl
[02:20] <Unit193> Should ask the question, no one can answer a question that hasn't been asked.
[03:53] <wxl> ok suddenly my eeepc's trackpad only wants to scroll
[03:53] <wxl> anyone had this bizarre problem?
[03:53] <wxl> an openbox fixed it once, or appeared to, but that doesn't seem to be fixing anything
[03:54] <wxl> i tried to re-set my synclient/syndaemon settings and that did nothing
[04:19] <Larr> anyone here who has idea why lubuntu freezes?
[04:20] <Larr> man! this is worst than what I 've ever seen
[04:20] <Larr> even Windows don't suck as much as lubuntu 12.04
[04:37] <bioterror> that comparing does not work. also we are immune to it.
[04:38] <bioterror> more likely you should tell us where and how it freezes
[04:38] <Larr> how?
[04:38] <Larr> it freezes randomly
[04:38] <bioterror> is it just X11 or can you access tty's
[04:38] <Larr> i have been using ubuntu since 2007
[04:39] <Larr> and this is first time i gotta a crappy version in my hand
[04:39] <bioterror> good, I have 5.04, what did I win?
[04:39] <Larr> my production env, turned into a crappy environment
[04:41] <bioterror> can you acceess that computer by using ssh when it freezes?
[04:42] <Larr> no
[04:43] <wxl> bioterror: you don't have any ideas about my malfunctioning trackpad, do you? openbox --restart, sadly, had no affect
[04:44] <alek66> hey everyone, I keep getting crashes with vino server
[04:44] <alek66> any ideas?
[04:45] <wxl> alek66: have you had these crashes only with lubuntu? cuz otherwise i'd check with the vino folks
[04:46] <alek66> wxl: only on lubuntu, vino is running and I get avahi to advertise it over my network...
[04:46] <alek66> I restarted avahi, no luck
[04:46] <wxl> alek66: well if avahi is working you should be good. have you checked the logs?
[04:47] <alek66> which ones do you recommend me to look
[04:47] <wxl> gimme a sec and i'll look it up
[04:50] <bioterror> Larr, i would try 26-kernel myself if you said that it the 12.04
[04:50] <bioterror> also check logs after restart
[04:51] <bioterror> there could be something
[04:51] <bioterror> wxl, sorry no
[04:51] <Larr> http://pastebin.com/P00ThYgR
[04:51] <Larr> my xorg.log
[04:51] <Larr> can you have a look at it?
[04:54] <Larr> I'd also like to know how to do what you said right now
[04:54] <Larr> about 2.6 kernel
[04:57] <wxl> alek66: annoyingly there are no logs, but you can get it to give you output http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4829710/where-are-the-logs-of-the-gnome-vino-server
[04:58] <alek66>  wxl great… thanks a lot for the link I will get into it
[04:58] <wxl> alek66: np. that will help you diagnose where the issue is.
[04:58] <wxl> might not be lubuntu that's the problem but how you have configured it on this system.
[05:00] <alek66> wxl: I did apt-get to install it, no custom configuration, I will check into it.
[05:01] <alek66> wxl: I had a rough saturday also, my monitoring sw ajenti crash on me and can't find any info about it
[05:02] <Larr> something wonderful happened just now
[05:02] <Larr> the video
[05:02] <Larr> problem
[05:16] <alek66> Open question, is there a way to set a particular app to work as a service, so I can control it using sudo service xxx start/stop, also so I can monitor them ?
[05:27] <bioterror> Larr, your output does not tell anything again
[05:27] <Larr> somebody said it is because of overheating
[05:28] <Larr> but i think its not the problem
[05:32] <Larr> thanks bioterror for your time
[05:33] <Larr> I think it's not worth spending time on it
[09:45] <Atlantic777> I can't get iso images from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[09:45] <Atlantic777> it seems that cdimages.ubuntu.com is unresponsive.
[09:45] <Atlantic777> I've just tried both http and torrent. Is there any other place where can I get "official" install images?
[09:49] <psichas> do you want lubuntu 12.04?
[09:49] <SoulTrain> HEllo
[09:50] <SoulTrain> is it possible to use "Compiz visual effects" with  LXDE?
[09:51] <Atlantic777> psichas: yes, 12.04
[09:51] <psichas> Atlantic777, try just lubuntu.net after open https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[09:52] <Atlantic777> psichas: it's redirecting to the cdimage.ubuntu.com
[09:52] <Atlantic777> and every other site does that, too
[09:52] <Atlantic777> I can't beleive, I can't find a mirror for like 10 mins.
[09:53] <psichas> go to lubuntu.net i think it just bug,
[09:53] <Atlantic777> I have already tryied that. This is the link from lubuntu.net http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/lubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[09:54] <Atlantic777> Can you download that torrent file? If you can, would you send it to me?
[09:54] <psichas> i can
[09:54] <Atlantic777> great
[09:55] <psichas> x86 pc?
[09:55] <Atlantic777> yes
[10:51] <jackk> Hello, can someone tell me if this Linux has flash preinstalled? I am a huge fan of porn and would like to know.
[11:06] <bioterror> hahaha
[11:06] <bioterror> you can install flash yourself
[11:06] <bioterror> !flash
[11:26] <silverarrow> well, flash is still important regardless of porn fans lol
[11:27] <jackk> biosilverarrow: pornfan?
[11:28] <jackk> silverarrow#
[11:29] <silverarrow> jack, have you trouble with adobe flash?
[11:29] <jackk> Yeah
[11:30] <jackk> my videos low quality
[11:30] <jackk> silverarrow: Not enough sperm
[11:30] <silverarrow> there are two restricted packages listet in package manager, one of them contains regular adobe flash
[11:30] <jackk> silverarrow: OK I WIll Download It Okay
[11:31] <silverarrow> vitamin c might help
[11:31] <silverarrow> lol
[11:31] <jackk> Help with more cum?
[11:32] <silverarrow> well, quality
[11:32] <silverarrow> gnash can work all fine, but sometimes a bit jerky, depends on hardware I think
[11:33] <jackk> silverarrow: Do you like CentOS
[11:33] <silverarrow> never heard of it
[11:34] <jackk> what
[11:34] <jackk> How new are you to LINUX?
[11:34] <silverarrow> CentOS?
[11:34] <psichas> lol :) i liked jackk CentOS :)
[11:34] <jackk> psichas: What do you speak english?
[11:34]  * silverarrow gooles CentOS
[11:35] <psichas> i speak english bad :D
[11:35] <jackk> psichas: you like me or centos?
[11:35] <jackk> I dont get what u sai
[11:35] <jackk> d
[11:35] <silverarrow> lol, both
[11:35] <psichas> rolf :)
[11:35] <psichas> i liked CentOS
[11:36] <jackk> oh cool
[11:36] <jackk> anyway cya
[11:56] <psichas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1155184/ any idea?
[12:08] <bioterror> jackk, try to behave
[12:08] <bioterror> !language | jackk
[12:10] <silverarrow> is anyone on powerpc now?
[12:16] <livingdaylight> greetings
[12:17] <silverarrow> hi
[12:17] <livingdaylight> anyone know and can tell me difference lubuntu and wattos ? both use ubuntu core + lxde
[12:17] <livingdaylight> hi silverarrow
[12:18] <silverarrow> wattos?
[12:18] <silverarrow> new to me
[12:19] <silverarrow> let me google
[12:20] <SkippersBoss> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=wattos
[12:23] <silverarrow> livingdaylight: I haven`t tried it
[12:23] <silverarrow> I think you might get better support with lubuntu
[12:23] <silverarrow> arguably
[12:24] <SkippersBoss> I'll second that
[12:24] <livingdaylight> well, yea, their irc room is empty, lol
[12:24] <silverarrow> since it is an officially part of the ubuntu releases now
[12:25] <silverarrow> that too, but there is the forum, and perhaps more work done to keep lubuntu up
[12:25] <livingdaylight> wonder what the intention driving wattos is when it looks like lubuntu with different wallpaper
[12:26] <livingdaylight> I was hoping that they would have focused on optimizing their derivative lubuntu distro
[12:26] <livingdaylight> I'm not convinced that ubuntu + light DE is as light and efficient as it could be. Not all xfce / lxde etc distros are the same.
[12:27] <silverarrow> you just have to try I suppose
[12:27] <livingdaylight> sure
[12:28] <livingdaylight> hoped someone might have somehting specific to say
[12:28] <SkippersBoss> I see that R5 is based on 11.10
[12:28] <livingdaylight> yes, wonder why that is?
[12:28] <SkippersBoss> Xubuntu is close to releasing 12.10
[12:28] <silverarrow> some say debian basic might be a better starting  point
[12:28] <livingdaylight> when I tried lubuntu on a live-usb i was surprised that memory usage was up in the 600+
[12:28] <livingdaylight> debian basic silverarrow ?
[12:29] <SkippersBoss> livingdaylight, As they say on their Blog they have geared it towards older computer and energy usage
[12:29] <silverarrow> must be live cd at least
[12:30] <silverarrow> I have rarely anything more than close to 300MB in RAM
[12:30] <silverarrow> however 64 bit uses a lot
[12:31] <silverarrow> browser could take huge amouts of ram when available
[12:31] <livingdaylight> SkippersBoss, I'm running Voyager, which is a customized xubuntu iso on the Desktop. Its not 'light' maybe as resource hungry as any gnome kde distro, but its on the desktop where i don't mind that being so. I@m looking for something for the laptop now. I tried Fuduntu which brags 30% better battery performance than any other distro because of their focus on laptops. The founder is also the creator of Jupiter, so,
[12:31] <livingdaylight>  energy efficiency is his domain - his "thing" but and this was my barrier, its still running gnome2 which i'm not really a fan of, its rpm based which i'm not familiar with, and it was lacking in a lot of applications, xmind, gnash, nicotine+, ratiotray were just some
[12:32] <silverarrow> livingdaylight: if you use debian and build strategically for personal needs I mean
[12:33] <livingdaylight> yea, its the geared towards energy usage advertised on their website which drew my attention. Its where I thought they may have done something more to their os than merely glueing ubuntu +lxde
[12:33] <SkippersBoss> The beauty of linux is that there is never a 1 size fits all solution. Each person has his own wish list
[12:34] <livingdaylight> silverarrow, yea, I wish I could. Then I might build up from the ground like you suggest or Arch, but, I'm more simply a user of software, not a hacker/geek
[12:34] <silverarrow> of the ubuntu distros, lubuntu is the only one considerably lighter running in my experience
[12:34] <silverarrow> I think it has to do with applications selected
[12:41] <silverarrow> lost connection
[12:51] <silverarrow> here is my htop screen running hardly any applications
[12:51] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/225103
[12:52] <silverarrow> here with firefox running, and a few tabs open
[12:52] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/225104
[12:53] <silverarrow> lubuntu 12.04
[12:56] <silverarrow> livingdaylight: what kind of OS do you have installed now?
[12:57] <livingdaylight> silverarrow, I had bodhilinux and switched to fuduntu only coz I thought I would be doing my laptop a favor. But for the reasons I shared, I am not happy there. So, either go back to Bodhi or try a lxde distro.
[12:57] <livingdaylight> your htop reading are good
[12:58] <livingdaylight> similar to Bodhi
[12:58] <livingdaylight> that's 32-bit, right?
[12:58] <silverarrow> I was thinking of bohdi linux too, cool name lol
[12:58] <silverarrow> no, poweroc
[12:58] <silverarrow> powerpc
[12:58] <silverarrow> an old iBook
[12:58] <livingdaylight> My laptop had a 64bit windows on it previously, but only 3gb ram. Would you recommend using 64bit or 32?
[12:59] <silverarrow> well yes, powerpc is 32bit?
[12:59] <livingdaylight> Bodhilinux is the distro for tao seekers ,)
[12:59] <silverarrow> lol
[13:00] <silverarrow> it`s and old iBook G4
[13:00] <livingdaylight> i see
[13:00] <silverarrow> bohdi linux does not have ppc iso
[13:00] <livingdaylight> aha
[13:01] <silverarrow> hmm, you could try 64 bit
[13:01] <livingdaylight> Mine's Acer Aspire TimelineX 4830T it was one of the best performing out there for battery and now I barely get 3hrs using gnu/linux :s
[13:01] <livingdaylight> ok
[13:01] <silverarrow> it does depend if it makes usage of 3GB ram in 32bit
[13:02] <livingdaylight> sure, why wouldn't it?
[13:02] <silverarrow> it is all about the RAM I think
[13:02] <silverarrow> I have a core2 duo laptop with only 1GB ram
[13:03] <silverarrow> which should be able to benefit from 64 bit with more ram
[13:04] <silverarrow> in my experience os doesn`t make full usage of RAM, but it varies
[13:04] <silverarrow> for 64 bit RAM usage jumps enourmously
[13:05] <silverarrow> 3GB is good though
[13:08] <silverarrow> battery performance drops very fast
[13:08] <silverarrow> sadly
[13:08] <silverarrow> after one year, noticeably
[13:08] <silverarrow> after three years, get a new one
[13:09] <livingdaylight> true, degradation is a factor across the board
[13:09] <silverarrow> you laptop looks very nice though
[13:12] <livingdaylight> I chose it because of the long battery life it boasted, and having touch-tested the chassis of all available laptops in shops found this one was just cool to the touch.  Unfortunately, linux doesn't perform on it at all like windows did
[13:12] <silverarrow> yeah, typical issue
[13:13] <silverarrow> at least for some models
[13:13] <silverarrow> I think it has to do with drivers and cpu
[13:13] <silverarrow> perhaps graphic card too
[13:13] <silverarrow> it runs hot too
[13:14] <silverarrow> my iBook G4 runs just as cool with lubuntu as osx
[13:14] <livingdaylight> mine's intel + onboard graphics
[13:14] <silverarrow> cpu runs on full with flash streams and things like that
[13:15] <silverarrow> and gets hotter then
[13:15] <silverarrow> but for the single applicaton it is still silent and cool
[13:15] <holstein> livingdaylight: i was thinking after our conversation.. there is nothing the lubuntu team can do about the kernel, but if you feel the lubuntu documentation is misrepresenting, you can always ammend what is public and attend meeting for adding or changing information
[13:16] <silverarrow> i5 is a good one
[13:19] <holstein> i was just doing some maintenance on my girlfriends mac... running OSX 10.6.. i say this, even though it is arguably OT to say, sometimes its just dust around the CPU, or in the machine that can cause heat to build up
[13:20] <holstein> her macbook pro is running much cooler since just spraying some of the dust out
[13:21] <silverarrow> oh, the fan outlet can be clogged on some laptops
[13:21] <silverarrow> litterally
[13:21] <silverarrow> spelling cuoudl be better
[13:22] <silverarrow> lol
[13:22] <holstein> comes up though the keyboard on those macbooks...
[13:24] <livingdaylight> holstein, i wasn't focused on lubuntu and accusing it of anything. I hope our conversation didn't upset you.
[13:25] <silverarrow> I need to get a table and a chair
[13:25] <holstein> livingdaylight: nope... i just wanted to be clear.. the great thing about linux and opensource for me is the community.. you can always join that community and make things just as you want/need them to be
[13:26] <holstein> if you want the lubuntu site to read "due to regressions, the kernel is crap" you can argue and try and get that printed
[13:26] <holstein> and as an open community, your opinion will be at least heard, if not represented
[13:28] <livingdaylight> yea, I know all that holstein. I have been using gnu/linux since, well, since quite a while... you can sound like a company spokesman, no offense, and I'm sure you are just trying to help - peace
[13:30] <holstein> livingdaylight: im actually just trying to be clear.. you didnt come across as someone who understood the community, and i wanted to solidify this idea in case it was foriegn
[13:31] <livingdaylight> ok, holstein, lol... is this Round2 ?  I hope not  :)
[13:31] <holstein> livingdaylight: sure.. i can let it go, just know that i wont/cant just idle... i will direct you to where you can actually resolve your issues and concerns
[13:34] <livingdaylight> i was being perfectly clear and gave you no ground to assume I don't understand the ''community'' as I didn't address that at all, I just came to ask about lubuntus energy efficiency being incorporated or not. You didn't even know that some, as you falsely stated that NO distro focused on this, when fuduntu for e.g actually does. I thought lubuntu may also have - that's all... All the rest about "getting involved"
[13:34] <livingdaylight>  and speaking upstream to kernel this and that is just peripheral and what I call company spokesmanship
[13:35] <holstein> livingdaylight: what i stated might have been misunderstood.. i dont think there are a lot of distros that create custom kernels to address the issue you were bringing up about power management however
[13:36] <livingdaylight> no there isn't - that is true. That doesn't mean that there aren't any, which is what you said, or, that there shouldn't be more, which is what I was being open with in speaking out aloud.
[13:37] <holstein> there are so many distros, and i can really only speak for the buntu distros that mostly use the main ubuntu kernels.. my poin was, coming to the lubuntu channel and "complaining" about the kernel really is irrelavant, and you would need to go to the kenrel team
[13:38] <livingdaylight> I came to ask whether lubuntu might have addressed it. I didn't walk in here just to complain about regression, just for the sake of it. That came out of the conversation - put and lets keep it in context
[13:38] <livingdaylight> Are we clear now, or should we carry on?
[13:38] <holstein> livingdaylight: im crystal clear, as im sure you are
[13:39] <livingdaylight> anything more you want to say?
[13:39] <silverarrow> I suppose you just  have to get to the right person who works with it or at least knows
[13:39] <silverarrow> what is regression ?
[13:39] <holstein> you *can* complain about the kernel.. i did when i first noticed this regression in 10.10
[13:39]  * silverarrow googles regression
[13:40] <holstein> you should complain if you want... but, lubuntu has nothing to do with the kernel, and it wont help or be productive here... all i can offer is clearing up whatever you find misleading on the site
[13:40] <livingdaylight> silverarrow, its the so-called kernel regression issue, since 2.6 or something that has compromised energy efficiency inlaptops, i.e. battery life and laptops running hot
[13:41] <silverarrow> wich is a debian thing?
[13:42] <livingdaylight> no, its a kernel thing across all distros
[13:43] <livingdaylight> they were optimized for performance but didn't have the necessary what's-it to manage and optimize energy efficiency
[13:43] <livingdaylight> ok, I'm going for a swim now
[13:44] <livingdaylight> shanti
[13:44] <silverarrow> definitely an issue that needs attetion sooner or later
[13:45] <silverarrow> :- )
[13:45] <silverarrow> see you later perhaps livingdaylight
[13:45] <silverarrow> I`m off for a ride on my bike
[14:09] <zumodoki> Just installed lubuntu.
[14:09] <zumodoki> Anyone have any suggestions for me?
[14:26] <silverarrow> how do I get lastest java version
[14:27] <zumodoki> Anyone have any theme suggestions?
[14:29] <zumodoki> Interface its very blue
[14:30] <silverarrow> you mean the desktop?
[14:30] <silverarrow> I  like it blue
[14:30] <silverarrow> with wavy lines
[14:32] <zumodoki> Thats just a wallpaper no?
[14:33] <zumodoki> I mean the "menu bar" It was nice in the last version, Im just not used to blue nor am I a fan of the colour. I like green.
[14:35] <silverarrow> mint
[14:35] <silverarrow> midori
[14:36] <zumodoki> Ive used mint I like cinnamon but to bloated for what I Need..
[14:37] <zumodoki> Does anyone have any suggestions on things I should install or do with this machine?
[14:37] <silverarrow> well, if you want green...
[14:37] <silverarrow> there are some desktops to choose from I think
[14:37] <silverarrow> zumodoki: what kind of computer then?
[14:40] <silverarrow> am I still here?
[14:41] <zumodoki> Your still here
[14:41] <silverarrow> good
[14:42] <zumodoki> Its not that I want green, Its just a colour I find visually pleasing.
[14:42] <silverarrow> connection has been a bit unstable
[14:42] <zumodoki> Anyway the computer is a AMD 2400+ 1.5Ghz with 768MB Ram
[14:43] <silverarrow> you have lubuntu 12.04?
[14:43] <silverarrow> which should run fine
[14:44] <zumodoki> Do you have any suggestions on things to install?
[14:44] <silverarrow> software applications?
[14:44] <zumodoki> Yes
[14:44] <silverarrow> well, I need a word processor
[14:44] <silverarrow> this time I chose libre office
[14:44] <manel_> Hi , Why in Lubuntu never active  the animation of moving white circle with the mouse ?
[14:45] <silverarrow> white circle?
[14:45] <manel_> yeah is an animation of mouse
[14:45] <silverarrow> zumodoki: fresh install just now?
[14:46] <manel_> or cursor
[14:46] <silverarrow> cursor works?
[14:46] <silverarrow> the white arrow you mean?
[14:46] <manel_> yeainh but the animation of circle  not
[14:46] <silverarrow> which in some applications is a hand
[14:47] <silverarrow> I think they have omitted the fancy stuff
[14:47] <silverarrow> to keep useage of recources down
[14:47] <zumodoki> In the processes yes
[14:47] <silverarrow> it might be there though
[14:47] <manel_> when i run a app on the desktop dont work this animation but in ubuntu ever
[14:47] <silverarrow> or graphic cards on older hardware
[14:48] <silverarrow> manel, there should be a setting for it though
[14:48] <manel_> i have nvidia
[14:48] <manel_> and the drivers
[14:48] <manel_> for lubuntu
[14:51] <manel_> why the animation of mouse (circle) doesnt work on the desktop and in ubuntu ever works?
[14:51] <silverarrow> not much activity here right now
[14:51] <manel_> when i run a app on the desktop of lubuntu
[14:52] <silverarrow> you could ask in the ubuntu room, there are more people there
[14:52] <silverarrow> oh, you mean the waiting sign
[14:53] <silverarrow> some sytems have an hour-glass?
[14:53] <manel_> in your lubuntu the animation of circle works on the desktop ever ?
[14:54] <silverarrow> I don`t think it is there
[14:54] <silverarrow> you have to install a package for it perhaps
[14:55] <silverarrow> yes it is there
[14:55] <silverarrow> open package manager
[14:55] <manel_> ok
[14:56] <silverarrow> manel_:  you see it?
[14:56] <manel_> which ?
[14:56] <manel_> package?
[14:56] <manel_> name?
[14:56] <silverarrow> menu-system tools- synaptic package manater
[14:56] <silverarrow> manager*
[14:57] <silverarrow> sorry for the spelling
[14:57] <manel_> ok is open
[14:57] <manel_> and ?
[14:57] <manel_> the name of package ?
[14:57] <silverarrow> you don`t get the waithing circle before it loads fully?
[14:58] <silverarrow> I did
[14:58] <silverarrow> or animation of circle as you call it
[14:58] <silverarrow> is it the one you are thinking of?
[14:59] <manel_> i run an app and in ubuntu work the animation of circle on the desk top but in lubuntu not
[14:59] <silverarrow> I`m not sure I know which animation you are thinking of
[15:00] <silverarrow> I have to be off though
[15:00] <silverarrow> see you later
[15:00] <manel_> is the animation of mouse with a  cartoon of a circle not static
[15:01] <manel_> colour of circle , white or black like option
[15:01] <silverarrow> when you lauched synaptic package manager, was there a version of this sign?
[15:01] <silverarrow> just before the packages had loaded fully?
[15:02] <silverarrow> close package manager and relaunch
[15:02] <silverarrow> pay attention to the cursor on packager manager window
[15:03] <silverarrow> manel_:  what do you get?
[15:04] <manel_> ok but the circle donk work when i run an app on the desktop like in ubuntu , before of run the app
[15:04] <silverarrow> https://www.google.com/search?q=subpixel+geometry&oe=utf-8&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=LP0wUNO5DpHLswb6iIDwCA&biw=1024&bih=602&sei=NP0wUPjfEIzxsgb0kIDADA#um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=cursor+wait+&oq=cursor+wait+&gs_l=img.3..0i24l4.174444.174992.2.175<IP_ADDRESS>.<IP_ADDRESS>8.1238.2-2j1j1.4.0...0.0...1c.5ETV5DBzCa4&pbx=1&b
[15:04] <silverarrow> av=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=327ad11e83b09525&biw=1024&bih=602
[15:04] <manel_> why ?
[15:04] <silverarrow> have no idea
[15:05] <silverarrow> I must admit i have not payed much attention to it, neither have I been missing it
[15:06] <silverarrow> probably because it`s not set tu appear on every single app
[15:06] <silverarrow> to*
[15:06] <manel_> in windows when you run an app on the desktop the animation not static works too
[15:06] <manel_> but in lubuntu not
[15:06] <manel_> why ?
[15:07] <manel_> and what is the solution ?
[15:07] <zumodoki> the animation is on the live cd
[15:07] <manel_> not
[15:07] <manel_> in lubuntu livecd not in ubuntu ever
[15:08] <silverarrow> maybe the desktop enviroment
[15:08] <silverarrow> if you changed from open box and lxde to something else
[15:09] <manel_> in all the os when you run an app on the desktop the animation not static works  ever, before of open the app, but in lubuntu not , solution ??
[15:10] <zumodoki> What version are you running??
[15:10] <manel_> lubuntu precise
[15:10] <manel_> 12.04
[15:10] <SAKKED> LTS is coming next spring?
[15:11] <manel_> has lubuntu a support lts ???
[15:12] <silverarrow> if you change desktop enviroment to one with this feature, I think it is the only solution
[15:12] <silverarrow> or do some search on lxde
[15:12] <silverarrow> lxde fatures
[15:13] <manel_> ok for this reason lubuntu has a bug of desktop ?
[15:15] <manel_> LTS is coming next spring? has lubuntu a lts or in a future ?
[15:17] <SAKKED> lubuntu has lts verssion
[15:17] <SAKKED> 10.04
[15:18] <manel_> nand when a new lts for  lubuntu?
[15:18] <manel_> and
[15:19] <manel_> bye
[15:19] <SAKKED> lol
[15:19] <manel_> xd
[15:19] <SAKKED> lts version support will end next spring
[15:19] <silverarrow> what?
[15:25] <zumodoki> Anybody ever used spinrite6?
[15:26] <silverarrow> no
[15:26] <zumodoki> Ive had it for years, But ive still to figure out how to actually use it. I just dont have the time to let it do it
[15:47] <silverghost> guys i have a funny question why not make lubuntu based of debian directly instead of ubuntu :D
[15:50] <livingdaylight> silverghost, because some ubuntu people decided to make a lxde version? Is there not a debian + lxde distro?
[15:51] <livingdaylight> the really funny question is why the hell are there so many distros?
[15:51] <silverghost> hahaha
[15:51] <silverghost> i was just giving an opinion xD
[16:08] <silverarrow> silverghost, it is debian basted lol
[16:08] <silverarrow> from what I understand packages comes straight from debian to be built into lubuntu
[17:42] <silverarrow> is anyone here?
[17:42] <zleap> sort of
[17:42] <zleap> off to watch last of the summer wine at 7
[17:45] <renu> hey guys, i have a problem with using this site for learning languages livemocha - they require some new version of flash, but when i go on adobe site, and try to download it, a new window pops up, but it's empty, and no download starts. anyone knows what the problem is or had a similar issue?
[17:46] <renu> i'm using chromium
[17:46] <Unit193> If you are using chromium, do you have something against chrome?
[17:47] <renu> can i run it in lubuntu?
[17:47] <Unit193> Chrome has the newest version of "pepper" flash bundled in, and yes you can.
[17:47] <renu> oh i see
[17:48] <Unit193> https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/?platform=linux
[17:48] <renu> will try it then, thanks! :)
[17:49] <renu> hang on, what's the difference between Chromium and Chrome?
[17:49] <zumodoki> Not much these days
[17:49] <renu> I see
[17:49] <Unit193> Chromium is the opensource version, basically.
[17:51] <renu> ahaa... but hmm i'm a bit skeptical about google and would prefer to use an open source version... so if there a way to get the newest flash there?
[17:53] <Unit193> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome  Pepperflash is a bit different, and I *think* you can install chrome and use chromium with pepperflash that came with Chrome (don't know, don't use or like either. :P)
[17:53] <renu> ok, thanks! will check!
[17:53] <zumodoki> I need help with my install
[17:53] <zumodoki> Its wont complete.
[17:54] <Unit193> http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html  How does that work for you as is?
[17:54] <Unit193> zumodoki: Need more info than that, what went wrong?
[17:55] <zumodoki> Installed it on my machine and once it gets to the last stage where it cycles through information and pictures it that vanishes
[17:55] <zumodoki> and im left with a "busy" circle spinninmg
[17:58] <zumodoki> If I reboot the machine doesnt seem to have an OS to boot.
[18:00] <Unit193> Bit strange, and as you wouldn't have any logs or anything now, and it seems either it didn't install or grub didn't, I'd generally recommend the alternate installer without more info than this.
[18:01] <zumodoki> Its still on at the momment, This is the second time ive gave it a try
[18:01] <zumodoki> So if it made a log I could dig it out
[18:02] <renu> hey Unit193 - sorry just saw you wrote that up, that page actually works fine!
[18:02] <renu> i mean, it says my flash is running
[18:04] <renu> yeah and i have the latest version installed
[18:05] <renu> must be then either a bug on this site or windows have a newer version :-/
[18:15] <zumodoki> Unit193 any ideas on my issues?
[21:04] <Gosy_> Hey guys
[21:04] <Gosy_> Is anyone here hehe ?
[21:05] <silverarrow> hi
[21:06] <kanliot> don't ask to ask, just ask
[21:09] <Gosy_> ah well
[21:10] <Gosy_> I would like to use a windows program on lubuntu
[21:10] <Gosy_> but i can't get it to work with Wine
[21:13] <Gosy_> anyone ?
[21:14] <silverarrow> you should though
[21:14] <silverarrow> wine might require minimal specs to run
[21:14] <silverarrow> I have not installed wine, i am on a  powerpc and have enough trouble
[21:15] <Gosy_> Well i got wine and i try to run the program and it doesn't work
[21:15] <Gosy_> just loads for an eternity
[21:16] <kanliot> what program?
[21:16] <kanliot> using wine takes a lot of fiddling
[21:16] <Gosy_> Well it's more a emulator
[21:16] <Gosy_> for gameboy advanced
[21:17] <kanliot> i don't know if we have a wine channel, but you should ask there
[21:17] <kanliot> it's all about wine
[21:17] <kanliot> this question
[21:17] <Gosy_> hmm, okey, well, is there a only wine channel?
[21:17] <kanliot> i donno
[21:18] <kanliot> appdb.winehq.org/
[21:18] <kanliot> swww.winehq.org/help/
[21:18] <kanliot> start there
[21:19] <kanliot> mistyped www
[21:24] <Unit193> !info gngb
[21:24] <Unit193> mednafen and maybe bsnes too.
[21:26] <Gosy_> but what im playing is gameboy advanced
[21:26] <Gosy_> dont think its the same as gameboy color
[21:34] <Shogoot> quick question, does the iptable block or allow connections by default?  out of the box sort of speak?
[21:34] <Unit193> sudo iptables -L   to list all.
[21:34] <Unit193> And should allow.
[21:35] <Shogoot> Unit193, thanks
[21:35] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:36] <Shogoot> i used the -L and it showed nothing. My program must be confused ;)
[21:37] <Unit193> Weird, I tried it before saying so (wasn't fully sure it was -L over -l )
[22:02] <Jotekk> hello everybody
[22:03] <Jotekk> i have a few questions
[22:04] <Gosy_> Jotekk: just state ur questions mate
[22:04] <Jotekk> well... first of all sorry if ill make some mistakes in my sentences, im polish :P
[22:05] <Jotekk> im totally new in linux and ive downloaded "Tibia" from its main site
[22:05] <Jotekk> and i have no idea how to run it
[22:08] <Jotekk> it was special version for linux
[22:09] <Jotekk> and there is such a launcher (a rack on the gray background as the icon)
[22:10] <Jotekk> but when im openning it, there appears a window, where I have to choose a program to run it
[22:10] <Jotekk> and if i choose terminal - nothing happens
[22:12] <Jotekk> does anybody have any idea how to run it?
[22:25] <Jotekk> Gosy, would you be able to help me?
[22:56] <Jotekk> anybody?
[23:05] <kosaidpo> hello people
[23:07] <Jotekk> hey
[23:12] <kosaidpo> supp Jotekk
[23:12] <kosaidpo> none here
[23:12] <Jotekk> i have a problem
[23:14] <kosaidpo> what is post your question
[23:14] <kosaidpo> if someone kno will awnser it
[23:14] <kosaidpo> Jotekk:  ; ]
[23:15] <Jotekk> ^ ^


[10:22] <mazal> Afternoon all
[10:27] <mazal> Anybody that can answer me on questions regarding updates on Ubuntu server ?
[10:36] <zeref> ??
[10:39] <confluency> What kinds of questions?  Don't ask if you can ask; just ask.
[10:40] <confluency> mazal: ^^^
[10:47] <mazal> I sommer put it in the email list , think that would be easier
[10:47] <mazal> So you guys will see it there thanx
[10:48] <mazal> I am so up and down that I am gonna talk in too much "payment" here :P
[10:57] <confluency> mazal: you *can*, and it *should* work, but obviously make backups and stuff.  If you have a lot of custom config in /etc, you may need to do a bit of manual admin to merge it with any new changes introduced in updated packages.
[10:58] <superfly> mazal: I just replied to your e-mail.
[10:58] <confluency> I'm personally underwhelmed by the way this is handled by teh upgrade -- I think that whatever you pick it will save the other file in the same directory with a suffix, but it doesn't *tell* you this.
[10:59] <confluency> And it doesn't let you do a custom merge on the spot (I think), so you have to go back to do it later, which is annoying.  You should write down all the config files that are affected, because I don't think it keeps a record.
[10:59] <confluency> In an emergency, I think you can do a locate on whatever the suffix is.
[11:00] <confluency> You know what?  I should paste all that into an email.
[11:07] <superfly> confluency: I agree. I'd prefer to get the new config file, but I'd like to know what changed, or at least the diff between my file and the incoming one.
[11:08] <confluency> I find it really annoying that you can't do a merge immediately.  I've usually just added one or two lines, and it's super simple to fix.
[11:27] <mazal> Thank you guys
[16:01] <queery> none of my bootable devices want to work
[16:01] <queery> I got the ISO form ubuntu.com
[16:01] <queery> and not my CD nor my Flash want to boot prop
[16:01] <queery> actually at all....
[16:02] <queery> Maaz: coffee on
[16:02]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[16:06] <queery> Maaz: ty
[16:06] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[16:06] <queery> Maaz: botsnack
[16:06] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[17:21] <Kilos> hi superfly smile psydroid inetpro nuvolari and other lurkers
[17:22] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:22] <Kilos> another day without power
[17:22] <smile> hi ;)
[17:23] <Kilos> hopefully escom will soon have the whole country wired and not need to switch off for 2 days to make a new connection
[17:27] <Kilos> inetpro, is dit al koud genoeg vir jou??
[17:30] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:30] <psydroid> hoi smile
[17:31] <psydroid> smile, snakker du norsk?
[17:31] <smile> :)
[17:31] <smile> psydroid: nein! :p
[17:31] <psydroid> smile :)
[17:31] <smile> psydroid: bedoel je: versta je noors?
[17:32] <psydroid> the grammar of norwegian is about as simple as that of afrikaans
[17:32] <psydroid> smile, spreek je noors?
[17:33] <psydroid> førstår du norsk?
[17:33] <psydroid> is volgens mij wat jij bedoelt
[17:33] <smile> psydroid: nee, ik spreek geen noors. wat zei je dan? :)
[17:34] <psydroid> smile, nog niet veel :P
[17:35] <psydroid> ik moet later maar weer eens een keer met WASDx gaan praten in het Zweeds :)
[17:35] <smile> oke! :)
[17:38] <psydroid> haha
[17:39] <psydroid> maar hij praat alleen maar over eenden
[17:39] <psydroid> dus dan wordt een uur praten wel een beetje langdradig
[17:51] <Kilos> too cold to sit at pc. i go have a hot bath and bed. night all. sleep tight
[18:37] <smile> bye :)


[05:14] <andystar> I have some questions about Xubuntu, but I don't think there are enough people in here to answer my question.
[05:14] <andystar> Most people will be idle.
[06:31] <andystar> @mark
[12:20] <wiredfool1> is there a way to tile/snap windows to 1/3 width in xubuntu 14.04?  I've got the half working, but I'd rather have narrower windows on the big screen.
[14:50] <bodom> Hi there! In lightdm, what's the difference between "xfce" and "xubuntu-session"?
[14:51] <cfhowlett> bodom, strictly speaking xfce is the desktop environment.  xubuntu-session = xfce + xubuntu apps
[14:52] <bodom> cfhowlett: but when i start xfce i have xubuntu apps anyway
[14:53] <cfhowlett> bodom, because you have xubuntu.
[14:54] <bodom> cfhowlett: so there is no difference?
[14:54] <cfhowlett> bodom, if you installed xfce4 on ubuntu that would *not* be xubuntu because no xubuntu apps.
[14:58] <bodom> cfhowlett: thank you
[14:58] <cfhowlett> bodom, happy2help!
[15:54] <krytarik> bodom: I think this explains it pretty well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2105703&p=12459424#post12459424
[15:59] <bodom> krytarik: thank you, it's very clear now