[10:16] <penguin42> damn, that would be dangerous: https://discountdragon.co.uk/product/special-bulk-buy-lindt-lindor-milk-chocolate-18g-eggs-total-7kg/
[10:51] <zxmpi> i'd have to eat my choccy orange collection to have space to store it...
[12:51] <knightwise> hey zxmpi penguin42
[12:51] <knightwise> Lindt chocolate is the best :)
[12:51] <knightwise> everytime we go to germany I buy some
[12:53] <zxmpi> it's quality was never in doubt
[12:55] <zxmpi> storage on the other hand... somewhere it won't spoil over a long period of time v somewhere no one else will find it :-D
[12:55] <knightwise> haha
[12:55] <knightwise> freezer ?
[12:56] <zxmpi> i'm more think of the vegtable drawer with a bag of questionable salad on top :-P
[12:57] <knightwise> to control your urges and not eat it all at once , :)
[12:57] <knightwise> i was wondering
[12:57] <knightwise> I have an old G3 imac here, running osx
[12:58] <zxmpi> to keep it safe from any one who wants to rob the gaff! :-)
[12:58] <knightwise> hahah
[12:58] <zxmpi> what colour is your imac?
[12:58] <knightwise> bondy blueeeee
[12:58] <zxmpi> had a pink one many moons ago
[12:58] <knightwise> it won't support SSH or SSL encryption anymore
[12:58] <zxmpi> person selling said no one wanted it. i said it's a theft proof imac :-)
[12:58] <knightwise> but could I in theory, use my Pi as a jumphost  ?
[12:59] <knightwise> run telnet server on the pi
[12:59] <knightwise> telnet over to the pi from the imac
[12:59] <knightwise> and ssh out from there ?
[12:59] <zxmpi> someone hasn't made an updated ssh client for it?!
[12:59] <knightwise> nope
[12:59] <knightwise> been looking for a while now
[12:59] <zxmpi> wow. i was just looking at videos over weekend of people putting c64 online
[12:59] <knightwise> at least not natively
[13:00] <zxmpi> though it was using a pi as a wifi bridge to it's serial port to do the heavy lifting
[13:00] <knightwise> not sure if i understand that setup
[13:01] <knightwise> but open up telnet on imac , telnet to pi, SSH out from pi
[13:02] <waveform> knightwise, apparently there's https://github.com/cy384/ssheven ?
[13:03] <knightwise> hey waveform
[13:03] <knightwise> Oooh ...
[13:03] <knightwise> Looks complicateed
[13:03] <waveform> well, there's some pre-built releases: https://github.com/cy384/ssheven/releases
[13:03] <knightwise> HA!
[13:03] <knightwise> Bin Files ! :)
[13:04] <waveform> though I must admit at this point I'd be hard-pressed to get it onto a floppy ... I could do a writable CD still!
[13:04] <zxmpi> bondi mac does usb like all civilised computers :-)
[13:05] <waveform> ah, modern technology!
[13:06] <zxmpi> and if that fails add a serial port to usb adapter and send it via serial like a caveman :-)
[13:07]  * waveform looks from his hairy knuckles to the serial adapter he's currently hooking up to another pi ...
[13:08] <zxmpi> unga bunga 9600,n,1?
[13:08] <waveform> unga 57600!
[13:09] <waveform> oh, terribly sorry, 115200 actually ... a civilized speed!
[13:11] <zxmpi> you try and send your mp3 collection across it and see how civilised you sound :-P
[13:49] <penguin42> zxmpi: How do you mean a 'long period of time' I doubt it would last that long :-)
[14:18] <zxmpi> just leave a note in fluent dolphin about what to do with the mp3s when it's finished :-)


[09:25] <Orion78> I have a problem with grub. When power-on a computer that was hibernated grub waits infinitely for manual selection, while if I power-on a computer that was simply shutdown grub normally timeouts and process to boot default selection. How to force grub to timeout and boot default selection also after hibernation? And please please please, dont tell me that it is dangerous thing to do, I know it.
[09:30] <Orion78> How to enable autoresume from hibernation? Right now grub waits infinitely for user choice.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[16:26] <paulo_gomes> hi all! Anyone having issues with the fglrx? The backlight from my laptop doesn't work with it :(
[16:32] <holstein> paulo_gomes: doest it work with a supported version of ubuntu?
[16:33] <paulo_gomes> holstein, dont understand your question (english is not my native language) it works with raring, im on saucy
[16:33] <paulo_gomes> holstein, im using the drivers from the repos
[16:34] <paulo_gomes> but ive also tested from amd site and is the same
[16:41] <paulo_gomes> damn internet


[16:15] <mup> PR operator#687 closed: Add real pebble tests to our CI <Created by rwcarlsen> <Merged by pengale> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/687>
[22:32] <mup> Issue operator#688 opened: Move real pebble tests into their own file <good first issue> <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/688>


[01:34] <pochu> ember: if you don't know what to do, feel free to fix exaile and listen multimedia keys, bug 188702... I'm willing to sponsor patches ;)
[01:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188702 in listen "hardy: multimedia keys no longer work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188702
[01:36] <ember> i will have a look thanks
[01:38] <pochu> ember: thanks. if you patch listen, please look at bug 208708 at the same time, which has the fix in a comment
[01:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 208708 in listen "Listen doesn't export playlist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208708
[01:39] <pochu> good night folks
[01:39] <ember> later pochu
[03:19] <gNewPower> anyone here?
[03:21] <gNewPower> I have a sound problem: when I watch a movie with VLC the sounds suddenly goes off.  My suspicion is that the sound daemon crashes.  Is there a way to restart ALSA?
[06:33] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <pochu> morning dholbach
[07:04] <dholbach> hiya pochu
[08:09] <crevette> bonjour
[08:24] <dholbach> hey njpatel, seb128, mvo
[08:24] <seb128> hey dholbach
[08:24] <njpatel> hey dholbach
[08:25] <seb128> everybody looks at the list of bugs closed in the new gnome-panel upload and hug vuntz for the rocking work there ;-)
[08:25]  * seb128 hugs vuntz
[08:27] <mvo> hey dholbach!
[08:27]  * mvo hugs vuntz
[08:28]  * dholbach hugs vuntz :)
[08:29] <seb128> the next one on the hug list is gicmo who worked until 4am apparently to get the new gvfs rolled
[08:29] <dholbach> ROCK
[08:29] <dholbach> desktop team power
[08:29] <seb128> ;-)
[08:30] <dholbach> nothing on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReportingPage though :)
[08:30] <seb128> bonus point for gicmo who won the staying late contest, I crashed in bed a 3am yesterday :-)
[08:30] <dholbach> oh man
[08:30]  * dholbach hugs seb128
[08:30] <seb128> dholbach: I will add a GNOME 2.22.1 packaged there when everything is uploaded
[08:30]  * seb128 hugs dholbach
[08:31] <dholbach> cool
[08:47]  * calc is doing all his sponsor uploads tonight :)
[08:47] <calc> is it common practice for these sponsor bugs not to have debdiffs?
[08:47] <calc> the first two i looked at so far didn't have them
[08:50] <dholbach> calc: which ones?
[08:51] <calc> elinks, nano
[08:51] <calc> 201769
[08:51] <calc> 187936
[08:52] <calc> when i'm too busy^Wlazy to sponsor quickly it is harder to determine the changes, but i used snapshot.debian.net to get it done
[08:52] <dholbach> calc: 187936 has a .dsc and a .diff.gz
[08:53] <dholbach> and 201769 has a .diff.gz too
[08:53] <calc> aren't we supposed to be reviewing what was changed when we upload though?
[08:53] <dholbach> sure
[08:53] <calc> diff.gz just shows everything, not what was changed from Debian
[08:53] <calc> to get that you need a debdiff
[08:54] <calc> actually a debdiff is really all you need at all, but diff.gz is nice too i guess
[08:54] <dholbach> zcat old.diff.gz | patch -p1 -R; zcat new.diff.gz | patch -p1; debuild -S; cd ..; debdiff bla blubb - I knot it's a bit cumbersome, but it does work
[08:54] <calc> if a package is no longer in the debian archive you have to go to snapshot.d.n to get the original diff.gz
[08:55] <calc> assuming it is there, which it is in 99% of the cases (at least)
[08:56] <calc> its not that hard to deal with later but it would be nice to remind people creating patches to attach them as debdiff's
[08:56] <dholbach> sure, just do it
[08:56] <calc> it takes < 1m usually to review a debdiff but considerably longer to deal with diff.gz for review purposes
[08:57]  * calc is almost done with all of his regardless :)
[08:57] <dholbach> I agree
[08:58]  * calc isn't meaning to be rude about the situation, i just noticed what looked like a trend with the first two sponsor uploads I did :)
[08:58] <calc> the third had a debdiff, yipee :)
[08:59] <crevette> hello
[09:00] <calc> dholbach: btw assuming any more pop up this week don't assign them to me :) i will be at a conference this week
[09:00] <dholbach> calc: alright
[09:00] <calc> and aiui we aren't supposed to upload any more after thursday anyway(?)
[09:00] <dholbach> calc: I don't know anything about that
[09:01] <calc> dholbach: Final Freeze I think is this thursday, then RC next thursday
[09:02] <dholbach> OK
[09:03] <calc> so i wouldn't be able to get to them (since i will be in the air flying) if they are assigned to me as a last minute upload :)
[09:03] <calc> at least if i understand what we are supposed to be doing wrt stopping uploads
[09:04] <calc> thats why i am still up at 3am :)
[09:04] <calc> getting all my work done before my flight
[09:05] <calc> i'm done with all the sponsor requests :)
[09:06] <dholbach> I'll wait for slangasek's announce of that
[09:06] <dholbach> calc: thanks
[09:06] <calc> ok
[09:06] <calc> have a good morning, time for me to go to bed
[09:06] <dholbach> sleep tight
[09:23] <seb128> lut huats
[09:23] <seb128> lool: will the mobile team do the cheese update?
[09:24] <huats> salut seb128
[09:24] <seb128> huats: is your gcalctool upload to sponsor now?
[09:24] <pochu> good morning!
[09:25] <seb128> hey pochu
[09:25] <huats> seb128: working on it right now.
[09:25] <seb128> ok
[09:25] <huats> it'll be in a few minutes
[09:25] <pochu> morning seb128 :)
[09:25] <seb128> huats: do you want to do the yelp update too?
[09:25] <huats> moring pochu
[09:25] <huats> seb128: it was on my todo list for today too :)
[09:25] <pochu> hey huats
[09:25] <huats> and the libgweather too :)
[09:26] <huats> unless you need them right now....
[09:26] <seb128> huats: ok, could you download updated rosetta translations and update the patch while doing the update?
[09:26] <huats> of course
[09:26] <huats> I am asking for the updates
[09:26] <seb128> huats: libgweather has a soname change and was required for gnome-panel and gnome-applets, I did it this night
[09:26] <huats> ok
[09:27] <huats> (I saw the soname change in the <IP_ADDRESS> :)
[09:27] <huats> do I need to also ask for translations for gcalctool ?
[09:27] <seb128> I had to ask nicely to vuntz to roll a new tarball since he didn't change it in 2.22.1 ;-)
[09:27] <huats> :)
[09:28] <huats> that was my guess
[09:28] <huats> (that is was a mistake)
[09:28] <seb128> huats: no, yelp is a special case because it has translated xml which are not language packable for the documentations, other applications don't need such changes
[09:28] <huats> ok
[09:28] <huats> (the next question was how do I now when to ask for updates... but you already answered it)
[09:31] <lool> seb128: Ok
[09:31] <lool> seb128: I'll ping tremolux today; this one should be easier
[09:33] <andreasn> mpt: hello
[09:41] <seb128> lool: thanks
[09:41] <seb128> hey andreasn
[09:41] <andreasn> hi seb128!
[09:42] <mpt> hi andreasn, I saw your question but I was on a plane at the time, I'll look at it today after work
[09:42] <andreasn> mpt: ah, great!
[09:42] <andreasn> you mean the emblems, right?
[09:42] <mpt> I don't know what it was about
[09:43] <mpt> something in Banshee, iirc
[09:43] <andreasn> I feel like I have delegated a dozen things to you of late
[09:43] <andreasn> ah, the dialog thing
[09:43] <andreasn> I sent a e-mail to usability list a couple of days ago regarding emblems, thought you meant that first
[09:44] <andreasn> anyway, thanks a lot
[09:45] <mvo> seb128: I would like to touch gnome-session next and patch gnome-wm to add a check if the window manager in the gconf dir is actually available on the system :) is that ok or is someone working on the package currently?
[09:45] <seb128> mvo: it's ok but I uploaded a new version this morning, make sure to get this one
[09:45]  * mvo nods
[09:45] <mvo> thanks
[09:45] <seb128> you are welcome
[09:46] <mpt> andreasn, the Banshee thing is the only one I've seen ... If there are any others, please resend or send me links if you can
[09:46] <mvo> ubuntulog: @seen MacSlow
[09:53] <huats> seb128: gcalctool is ready for sponsoring :)
[09:53] <seb128> huats: ok, did you subscribe the sponsor team to the bug?
[09:53] <huats> I was doing it right now
[09:53] <seb128> ok
[09:53] <seb128> thanks
[10:03] <mvo> hey MacSlow!
[10:14] <seb128> asac: do you think you will manage to do the epiphany-browse update today? trying to get the new GNOME available in hardy today
[10:15] <asac> think so yes.
[10:15] <seb128> cool, thanks
[10:16] <seb128> asac: http://download.gnome.org/sources/epiphany/2.22/epiphany-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz is the current tarball
[10:16] <seb128> brb
[10:16] <andreasn> mpt: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2008-April/msg00010.html
[10:17] <andreasn> mpt: and bugs http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469407 & http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469317
[10:17] <ubotu> Gnome bug 469407 in general "Emblem icon work" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:46] <mpt> andreasn, I don't think I have anything useful to say about emblems
[10:46] <mpt> except that it might be a problem that emblems being user-controlled prevents their use for showing standard metadata (e.g. read-only, shared, template)
[10:47] <andreasn> right
[10:47] <andreasn> I always thought of emblems as tags, but crap :)
[10:48] <mpt> haha
[10:48] <mpt> s/emblems/folders/
[10:49] <andreasn> I guess that if nautilus get a tracker-based tag system (or whatever), emblems will be phased out, but I guess we can leave them as it is for now
[10:49] <andreasn> well, yeah, that too...
[10:50]  * andreasn is never able to find anything on his laptop :(
[10:51] <mpt> For me Tracker always returns 0 results and I don't know why
[10:51] <mpt> Probably there's a checkbox somewhere that I don't know I need to check
[10:54] <andreasn> hey, that happens to me to
[10:54] <andreasn> beagle seems to be able find stuff for me, it also seems to be able to make my harddrive make ticking sounds all the time
[10:55] <andreasn> and go berserk on my performance from time to time
[10:57] <andreasn> but it will probably sort itself out in the end
[11:53] <kwwii> seb128: I have two (hopefully final) updates
[11:53] <kwwii> seb128: one for ubuntulooks and one for human-theme
[11:54] <kwwii> seb128: basically, I updated the gtkrcs and added clearlooks again
[11:54] <seb128> ok, cool
[11:54] <seb128> where are the dsc to sponsor?
[11:55] <kwwii> seb128: http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.13.dsc and  http://sinecera.de/ubuntulooks_0.9.12-11.dsc
[11:55] <seb128> ok, will sponsor that after lunch
[11:57] <kwwii> seb128: great, thanks
[11:57] <kwwii> I built both and tested them as well :-)
[11:57] <seb128> you are welcome
[12:19] <mvo> seb128: do you mind if I add a replace to liblaunchpad-integration? just overheard http://paste.ubuntu.com/6612/ on #ubuntu+1
[12:19] <seb128> mvo: read #ubuntu-devel?
[12:19] <mvo> no
[12:19] <mvo> heh :)
[12:19] <mvo> ok
[12:19] <seb128> ;-)
[12:21] <slomo> vuntz: why are you breaking API/ABI with libgweather in a stable release? :)
[12:24] <seb128> slomo: because there was no other way to fix all the 2.22.0 borkages
[12:24] <slomo> ok :)
[12:26] <seb128> mvo: we should figure a way to block obvious conflict cases at upload or in the upgrade tools
[12:29] <mvo> tricky, the conflicts checker might be a good candidate, but I'm not sure if he will not produce false positives
[12:30] <seb128> mvo: how so?
[12:30] <seb128> mvo: just look if something else in the current distribution conflict
[12:31] <mvo> seb128: you talk about the liblaunchpad-integration0/1 file overwrite problem and that we should have a way to automatically detect this? sorry, I just want to be sure I'm on the same page :)
[12:32] <seb128> mvo: yes
[12:32] <vuntz> slomo: because I hate packagers!
[12:32] <mvo> seb128: do you have a good idea/way of doing that?
[12:32] <seb128> mvo: I mean that's basically iterate over the binary uploaded content and look if the current distribution content list any of those in a different binary
[12:33] <seb128> mvo: and if they do check if there is replaces used
[12:35] <mvo> right, I think the conflicts checker (by robert colins) is doing something like this. that should indeed work pretty well for all but corner cases (e.g. update-alternatives)
[12:35] <seb128> not perfect is still better than nothing ;-)
[12:35] <mvo> yeah :)
[12:36] <seb128> otherwise couldn't apt do an unpack similation to check conflicts or something and hold the update is there is one?
[12:36] <seb128> s/similation/simulation
[12:36] <seb128> what is bad is not that the package stay in a broken state but that all other upgrades are stopped
[12:39] <seb128> mvo: other crackful idea, could update-manager detect that the issue is a conflict? and display a warning about the issue and a "retry" button which would do the apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure calls?
[12:50] <fernando> moin all
[12:50] <seb128> hey fernando
[12:51] <fernando> hey seb128
[12:51] <pochu> hi fernando
[12:51] <fernando> hi pochu
[12:51] <seb128> hey pochu
[12:52] <pochu> yo seb128
[12:53] <crevette> :)
[12:53]  * pochu waves at crevette :)
[12:54] <pochu> crevette: will you be at UDS?
[12:54] <crevette> what ?
[12:54] <crevette> arf
[12:54] <crevette> no :)
[12:54] <crevette> I'm not really kind of ubuntu developper
[12:55] <pwnguin> plus its like in brasil or somewhere ;)
[12:55] <crevette> Prague, Czech Republic
[12:55] <crevette> hey
[12:55] <crevette> I'm interested :)
[12:56] <pochu> that's a pity, you should come!
[12:56] <fernando> uds on brazil? cool ;)
[12:56] <andreasn> crevette: I'm thinking of going there, would be cool to meet you
[12:56] <andreasn> unless it too close to LGM so I run out of money
[13:09] <crevette> andreasn, :)
[13:09] <crevette> hmm Prague
[13:10] <crevette> I've been said this is a beautiful place, whin nice buildings
[13:15] <huats> lut crevette
[13:17]  * crevette is happy so much people want to see him
[13:17] <crevette> hello huats
[13:17] <huats> crevette: you're a star :)
[13:17] <huats> get used to it ;)
[13:17] <crevette> not sure
[13:17] <pochu> no, he's a hero
[13:17] <pochu> a guitarhero :)
[13:17] <crevette> I more a kind a people slacking on every chan IRC has
[13:17] <crevette> pcou
[13:18] <crevette> pochu, yeah I am
[13:18] <huats> :)
[13:18]  * crevette received guitarhero III for its birthday
[13:18] <crevette> btw http://live.gnome.org/Wii/GuitarHeroIII
[13:18] <crevette> :)
[13:19] <seb128> crevette: happy birthday
[13:19] <seb128> crevette: is it any good?
[13:19] <huats> LOL
[13:19] <huats> thus happy birthday  crevette
[13:19] <huats> :)
[13:20] <seb128> I don't really see the point to play guitar this way but maybe that's because I never tried this game ;-)
[13:21] <pochu> crevette: oh, happy birthday!
[13:29] <crevette> my birthyday is few week away now
[13:29] <crevette> but thanks you very much
[13:29] <crevette> :)
[13:29] <crevette> seb128, it is really funny and attractive
[13:30] <seb128> crevette: how does it work, do you have a pad to play guitar?
[13:30] <crevette> you have a plastic guitar with 5 buttons on the "manches" :)
[13:31] <crevette> http://www.axsion.ca/store/xcart/images/T/guitar%2520hero%25203.jpg
[13:31] <crevette> you can do vibrato
[13:32] <crevette> the tracks are nice
[13:32] <crevette> you have punk, calssic rock
[13:33] <crevette> http://dynamite.web-2-0.fr/wp-content/0000077371.jpg
[13:33] <crevette> this is the Wii guitar
[13:33] <crevette> you can play over the net
[13:33] <Keybuk> 5 buttons?
[13:34] <crevette> youp
[13:34] <crevette> plus the buttons in the body of the guitar
[13:34] <crevette> s/in/on/
[13:34] <crevette> this is a nice piece of game to have; specially to play with friends
[13:35] <crevette> you should have one for UDS
[13:35] <crevette> :)
[13:35] <Keybuk> how can you play a guitar with five buttons?
[13:35] <crevette> you're not playing really
[13:35] <crevette> you have to type on the requeted button(s) when you have to
[13:36] <crevette> if you have flash look at some video on youtube /dailymotion
[13:47] <pwnguin> frets on fire!!
[13:47] <pwnguin> its wiitar compatible ;)
[13:48] <pwnguin> our ubuntu installfest mostly failed, but we did have a guy demo frets on fire with the wiitar
[13:58] <crevette> pwnguin, pairing a wiimote over bluetooth works mfine ?
[13:59] <huats> seb128: I am sure you know that already bug 213926
[13:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213926 in launchpad-integration "package liblaunchpad-integration1 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/liblaunchpad-integration1.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/lpi-bug.png', which is also in package liblaunchpad-integration0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213926
[13:59] <pwnguin> crevette: wminput
[13:59] <seb128> huats: yes, the fix has been uploaded for an hour and there is a zillion duplicates
[14:00] <huats> :)
[14:00] <pwnguin> crevette: and yes
[14:00] <huats> ok
[14:00] <pwnguin> crevette: my mythtv box uses a wiimote for controls ;)
[14:00] <pwnguin> crevette: and playing emulators with the classic controller extension
[14:01] <crevette> okay
[14:01] <crevette> classic ?
[14:01] <crevette> withouth the guitar you mean ?
[14:01] <crevette> :)
[14:01] <pwnguin> the wiimote has several extensions
[14:02] <pwnguin> one of them is a nunchuck, another is the wiitar, the classic controller is very nearly a ps2 controller
[14:02] <crevette> ah I don't own a classic controller
[14:03] <crevette> I have the old gamecube pad
[14:03] <pwnguin> there's little reason to, unless you like to experiment
[14:03] <pwnguin> precisely
[14:03] <crevette> damn
[14:03] <crevette> I kept it to play with mario kart
[14:03] <pwnguin> works great for smash bros brawl
[14:03] <crevette> s/it/them/
[14:04] <pwnguin> the classic controller is passable, but awkward in comparison to the cube pad
[14:04] <pwnguin> at any rate, you can use a wiitar to play frets on fire
[14:15] <crevette> pwnguin, thanks
[14:15] <crevette> i'll try then
[14:15] <crevette> pwnguin, so for wminput I need to add a new input in Xorg I assume
[14:15] <pwnguin> nope
[14:15] <crevette> hmm, I'll look the documentation
[14:16] <pwnguin> the wiki's fairly straightforward
[14:16] <pwnguin> you have to run uinput
[14:16] <pwnguin> a first step would be to try wmgui
[14:39] <mvo> is anyone working on gdm ATM?
[14:40] <ember> not me
[14:42] <mvo> seb128: if you are not working on gdm currently I would like to upload a fix that check for /etc/environment as fallback for /etc/default/locale
[14:42] <mvo> this fixes a ugly i18n problem on dapper->hardy upgraes
[14:44] <seb128> mvo: wouldn't the fix to make sure that the default locale is set?
[14:44] <mvo> you mean that on dapper->hardy we should ensure that /etc/default/locale is created?
[14:45] <seb128> yes
[14:45] <mvo> that would be ideal, but is slightly more work than the two lines gdm patch
[14:45] <mvo> /etc/default/locale has no package that owns it (according to dpkg -S, I think the installer creates it)
[14:47] <seb128> mvo: ok, feel free to modify gdm, makes sure to get the version uploaded today
[14:47] <mvo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6622
[14:47] <mvo> if you want to review
[14:48] <seb128> looks fine to me
[15:06] <mvo> seb128: can you think of anything we can do with gdm.conf-custom for dapper->hardy? I would like to prevent a conffile prompt when the user has changed e.g. the auto-login settings
[15:06] <mvo> but I guess we can not do a great deal here
[15:07] <seb128> nop, no idea about what we could change
[15:19] <mvo> gdmsetup (not the very latest, the 2.20.0 I think) took  a long time to start here, is that known?
[15:20] <seb128> what distro do you run?
[15:20] <mvo> hardy
[15:20] <mvo> ^Wdebian/potato
[15:20] <seb128> 2.20.0 is the gutsy version
[15:20] <mvo> oh
[15:20] <seb128> yes, there is some bugs about it being slow the first time it's ran
[15:21] <seb128> didn't investigate those yet though
[15:21] <seb128> and I don't get the issue
[15:21] <mvo> ok, that is fine, I was just curious
[15:21] <seb128> if you get the bug you are welcome to have a quick look
[15:21] <seb128> does it eat cpu?
[15:21] <seb128> could you strace it?
[15:26] <mvo> yeah, give me a bit
[15:28] <mvo> seb128: some BEGIN AUTH EXTERNAL writes to some external helper
[15:28] <seb128> hum, k
[15:28] <mvo> over gvfsdbus it seems
[15:28] <seb128> nothing obvious
[15:29] <seb128> gdm doesn't use gvfs, that's weird
[15:29] <mvo> it polls() on this fd for ~60s
[15:30] <mvo> it looks like its trying to talk over dubs
[15:32] <seb128> mvo: ok, thanks, maybe another issue due to gksu use
[15:33] <mvo> I don't think so, I used sudo directly, it seems to not make a difference
[15:33] <mvo> this is a dapper->hardy upgrade
[15:34] <mvo> let me check if I get it on a regular system too
[15:34] <seb128> mvo: all the bug we got were stock hardy installs so that's not an upgrade issue
[15:34] <seb128> mvo: no such issue on the CD
[15:35] <seb128> only after the first run once installed
[15:35] <mvo> aha, ok
[15:54] <seb128> fta: around?
[15:58] <seb128> fta: I'm doing the cairo update
[16:17] <seb128> could somebody who has the chan log give me the .dsc urls kwwii gave some hours ago?
[16:19] <seb128> dholbach: ?
[16:21] <Hobbsee> [22:30] <kwwii> 20:55:07> seb128: http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.13.dsc and  http://sinecera.de/ubuntulooks_0.9.12-11.dsc
[16:21] <dholbach> http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.13.dsc and  http://sinecera.de/ubuntulooks_0.9.12-11.dsc
[16:21] <seb128> Hobbsee: thank you
[16:21] <Hobbsee> seb128: y/w
[16:22] <seb128> kwwii: you can't downgrade version, current human-theme is 0.15
[16:25] <kwwii> seb128: erm, must have made a stupid mistake
[16:25] <kwwii> I didn't mean to
[16:25] <seb128> kwwii: and the ubuntulooks diff.gz seems to not be there either
[16:26] <kwwii> no, you mentioned that you only wanted the dsc :-)
[16:26] <seb128> heh
[16:26] <kwwii> seb128: I will upload the ubuntulooks stuff and fix the human-theme and upload it all too
[16:26] <seb128> ok, thanks
[16:26] <seb128> I only want the dsc url, so I can use dget on it and it'll download the diff.gz etc automatically
[16:27] <seb128> but those need to be available online, dget can't guess what you did
[16:27] <kwwii> seb128: lol, I pasted the wrong url :p
[16:27] <kwwii> It did make them right
[16:27] <seb128> otherwise we would not need you we could just dget to do the artwork updates ;-)
[16:27] <kwwii> :-)
[16:27] <seb128> ok
[16:28] <seb128> so the issue is that you copied only the dsc
[16:28] <seb128> and not the tar and dif
[16:28] <kwwii> right
[16:28] <seb128> diff.gz
[16:31] <seb128> hey tedg
[16:31] <seb128> tedg: new gnome-screensaver to package for you
[16:33] <kwwii> seb128: ok, http://sinecera.de/ubuntulooks_0.9.12-11.dsc is up with the other files
[16:33] <kwwii> seb128: and http://sinecera.de/human-theme_0.16.dsc along with the tar.gz, source.changes, source.build
[16:35] <tedg> seb128: Heh, another small bugfix there.  It seems the releases are barely worth the .0.1 that they're getting :)
[16:35] <tedg> seb128: I haven't gotten through my e-mail, but hopefully I'll have another GPM today also.
[16:42] <seb128> kwwii: sponsored
[16:43] <seb128> tedg: ok, let me know if you need sponsoring
[16:46] <tedg> kwwii: Heh, "This site was made with nifty software and can be viewed with nifty software."
[16:53] <kwwii> seb128: thanks :-)
[16:53] <kwwii> the website that never gets finished
[16:54] <seb128> kwwii: you're welcome
[16:54] <seb128> slomo: is there any reason you didn't upload you gedit-plugins update to debian?
[16:54] <slomo> seb128: yes, totem-pl-parser waits for binNMU because of new evolution-data-server and is uninstallable atm
[16:54] <seb128> k
[16:55] <slomo> apart from that it's good :)
[17:02] <tedg> seb128: Is there Evolution issues with the Exchange backend on Hardy?
[17:02] <tedg> seb128: There are a couple of people reporting it as "unusable" on the evolution-hackers list.
[17:02] <seb128> tedg: no idea, I'm just doing upstream updates, I've no exchange server to use it
[17:02] <seb128> we use the stock upstream code so if there is an upstream that's likely an upstream one
[17:02] <tedg> Good point, I was more curious if there was a bunch of bug traffic.
[17:03] <tedg> One guy mentioned that it was more evident on the 64-bit version.
[17:03] <seb128> there is lot of bug on evolution-exchange
[17:03] <seb128> but nobody has an exchange server to work on those
[17:04] <seb128> slomo: did you try your gnome-user-share update in debian?
[17:04] <seb128> slomo: building it on hardy I get a
[17:04] <seb128> Syntax error on line 45 of /usr/share/gnome-user-share/dav_user.conf:
[17:04] <seb128> Invalid command 'MinSpareServers', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[17:04] <seb128> spawning httpd failed
[17:05] <seb128> slomo: when running /usr/lib/gnome-user-share/gnome-user-share
[17:06] <seb128> slomo:
[17:06] <seb128> +<IfModule prefork.c>
[17:06] <seb128>  StartServers 1
[17:06] <seb128>  MinSpareServers 1
[17:06] <seb128>  MaxSpareServers 1
[17:06] <seb128>  MaxClients 3
[17:06] <seb128> +</IfModule>
[17:06] <seb128> slomo: why did you drop this change?
[17:24] <huats> I guess I'll never remember that : what can I do in order to rebuild an autoreconf patch ?
[17:25] <huats> which of course do not apply anymore with a new upstream version
[17:27] <seb128> huats: move it away, edit, run autoreconf --verbose --force, rm -rf autom4te.cache
[17:28] <huats> Ok
[17:28] <huats> thanks
[17:28] <huats> today I have decide : I start a wiki page with this stuffs...
[17:28] <huats> to remember them
[17:33] <seb128> huats: ;-)
[17:34] <seb128> huats: ideally those should be comments in the patch rather
[17:34] <seb128> but right, documentation on autoreconf patches would not hurt either
[17:34] <huats> oh
[17:34] <huats> I mean
[17:35] <huats> I was adding that to the wiki page I have started with 'recurrent' actions / sentences
[17:35] <huats> :)
[17:35] <huats> wihch is so far really personnal
[17:35] <huats> but you are right
[17:35] <huats> giving that to anyone might be great too...
[17:39] <slomo> seb128: hrm, i thought it was added upstream... if you want fix in pkg-gnome svn and upload, otherwise i'll do it tomorrow
[17:39] <seb128> slomo: I'm still busy doing GNOME 2.22.1 updates and trying to fix hardy issues before the freeze so it's not likelu
[17:40] <seb128> slomo: I wanted to see if we can sync the new debian version for this one
[17:40] <slomo> well, you can tomorrow :)
[17:40] <ember> hmm gnome-panel is kinda broken in map_refresh
[17:41] <vuntz> ember: 2.22.1 or <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[17:42] <ember> 2.22.1
[17:43] <vuntz> ember: fixed in <IP_ADDRESS> :-)
[17:43] <ember> cool, thanks
[17:47] <huats> seb128: the  yelp update is ready and main-sponsors subscribed
[17:48] <seb128> huats: thanks, I'll be away for diner soon but I'll look to that later
[17:48] <huats> seb128: don't worry
[17:48] <huats> I am not hurried :)
[17:48] <seb128> I'm not worried ;-)
[17:48] <huats> enjoy some rest :)
[17:48] <seb128> that was just for information
[17:48] <huats> and a nice dinenr
[17:48] <seb128> thanks
[17:48] <huats> ok
[17:48] <huats> no problem
[17:49] <huats> anyway tonight I have an important ubuntu-fr meeting...
[19:13] <pwnguin> heh; Human Looks on the DS
[19:13] <pwnguin> http://www.ds-scene.net/?s=viewtopic&nid=5377
[20:59] <fta> seb128, thanks for cairo
[21:00] <fta> btw, pixman failed on hppa. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13186093/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-hppa.pixman_0.10.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:01] <fta> not sure about the issue. could you try a respin just be sure it's not a builder issue ?
[21:01] <fta> i mean a "retry" without upload
[21:01] <seb128> pitti: ^ could you retry this one?
[21:09] <tedg> seb128: Could you please sponsor GPM and GSS updates?
[21:09] <seb128> tedg: sure
[21:10] <tedg> seb128: Thanks.
[21:53] <asac> mvo: still there?
[21:53] <mvo> asac: yes
[21:53]  * mvo is half-asleep
[21:53] <asac> mvo: can you point me to the code where i could add a mime type mapping for --xul-extensions=firefox-2 ?
[21:53] <asac> (gnome-app-install)
[21:53] <seb128_> asac: hey, epiphany-browser update? ;-)
[21:54] <asac> we are cleaning up extension data now that most extensions are in
[21:54] <mvo> yes, give me a sec
[21:54] <asac> seb128_: hey ... its not yet 11
[21:54] <asac> ;)
[21:57]  * tedg is really sad that upstream epiphany dropped del.icio.us...
[21:57] <tedg> I need a new plan for my bookmarks.
[21:58] <Nafallo> tedg: hi there. seb128 told me to talk to you about getting my backlight back on the Sony Vaio :-)
[21:59] <tedg> Nafallo: Back?
[22:00] <mvo> asac: you need to add desktop files with MimeType=application/x-debian-xul-extension-firefox-2 to app-install-data-ubuntu (or just sent them to me)
[22:00] <mvo> asac: then gnome-app-install --xul-extnesion=firefox-2 should pick them up automatically
[22:00] <Nafallo> tedg: something made it disappear, and I'm not sure what. I think seb blamed g-p-m ;-)
[22:01] <tedg> Nafallo: So, it worked with Gutsy, or sometime along with Hardy?
[22:01] <Nafallo> tedg: it worked up until some week ago (or days even?)
[22:01] <Nafallo> :-)#
[22:01] <Nafallo> hardy
[22:02] <tedg> Nafallo: And what does it do now?  Are we talking the keyboard keys?  Does the brightness applet work?
[22:02] <mvo> asac: let me test my theory
[22:03] <Nafallo> tedg: the keyboard keys does nothing and the screen is very dark. I honestly never heard of an applet for this :-)
[22:04] <mvo> asac: yep, thats it, call it from firefox-2 with --xul-extension=firefox-2 and add desktop files with the mime-type I mentioned above
[22:04] <Nafallo> tedg: brightness applet worked. let's hope it stays default now :-)
[22:05] <Nafallo> tedg: thanks. my brightness just was at 0 one day and I found no way to turn it back up ;-)
[22:06] <asac> mvo: thanks. thats simple :)
[22:06] <mvo> asac: yeah, I'm amazed myself :-D
[22:26] <seb128_> asac: when you do the epiphany-browser update, could you remove the <separator/> in 06_lpi and updated the launchpad-integration build-depends requirement to 0.1.17?
[22:34] <asac> test build is going. lets see
[22:40] <seb128_> asac: http://download.gnome.org/sources/epiphany-extensions/2.22/epiphany-extensions-2.22.1.tar.gz is also to update if you want, they have applied some xul1.9 changes
[22:41] <asac> seb128_: which separator to remove? there are two
[22:43] <seb128_> asac: the two separators, launchpad integration add those automatically now, which means you can uninstall launchpad integration and not get extra items there
[22:43] <asac> k
[22:48] <fta> seb128_, cairo 1.5.20 out
[22:48] <seb128_> fta: that's the one I packaged some hours ago, I though you replied on the chan already about it no?
[22:48] <fta> no
[22:48] <fta> i wasn't there at all today
[22:49] <seb128_> ah ok
[22:49] <seb128_> I let you a message saying that I was doing the update on the chan this afternoon
[22:50] <fta> ok then.
[22:50] <seb128_> 1.5.18 has some graphical corruption issues and made xulrunner crash on some websites
[22:50] <seb128_> so I did the update quickly
[23:15] <asac> seb128_: upload in progress
[23:15] <asac> seb128_: some things might work better ... others less good. let me know which suck more. i can put a little work in epiphany still
[23:15] <asac> seb128_: would be interesting to know if the crashes are less frequent now
[23:38] <seb128_> asac: ok
[23:39] <seb128_> asac: did you look at this crash on closing issue where I attached a valgrind log?§
[23:39] <seb128_> ?
[23:42] <huats> seb128_: plop
[23:42] <seb128_> re huats
[23:42] <huats> thanks for yelp ;)
[23:43] <seb128_> thank you for doing the update ;-)


[03:27] <blahdeblah> Is there any magic invocation I can make to make the PPA publisher go faster?
[03:28] <tsimonq2> blahdeblah: This may point you in the right direction: https://dev.launchpad.net/Soyuz/TechnicalDetails
[03:28] <tsimonq2> I'd pop open cronscripts/publishing/cron.ppa and see what it calls - then try to understand if there's an explicit argument for a PPA. I seem to recall there being one.
[03:32] <tsimonq2> blahdeblah: https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/archiveuploader/scripts/processupload.py#n64
[03:32] <tsimonq2> I think that's as far as my knowledge goes. :)


[06:38] <imrabti_> can anyone know how can i desactivate my CD ROM Reader
[06:39] <imrabti_> Please
[06:45] <imrabti_> Please I want some help


[04:22] <hikiko> Hi
[04:29] <TheMuso`> Hey hikiko.
[04:29] <hikiko> Hi TheMuso`
[05:52] <pitti> Bonjour
[06:06] <pitti> Laney, chrisccoulson: oh noes!
[06:19] <TheMuso`> Hey pitti.
[06:19] <TheMuso`> My comiserations to those affected by this, don't really understand the bigger picture, so I hope it works out for all of you.
[06:20] <TheMuso`> gah typing
[06:23] <pitti> hey TheMuso`
[06:23] <pitti> yes, this debate had gotten way too emotional
[06:24] <TheMuso`> I know if I were a UK citizin, I'd probably not be sure what it would mean either way.
[06:24] <TheMuso`> Although I may know then I do as an Australian citizin.
[06:25] <TheMuso`> know more than I do/
[06:25] <TheMuso> gah spelling... Speech synths suck sometimes. :p
[06:31] <didrocks> pitti: yep, didn't expect to really happen as well…
[06:31] <didrocks> (good morning btw! :))
[06:31] <didrocks> hey TheMuso
[06:31] <pitti> didrocks: some morning to you too!
[06:32] <pitti> (not sure if it's "good" :) )
[06:32] <pitti> anyway, time for running before it gets too hot
[06:32] <didrocks> enjoy!
[06:40] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks.
[06:40]  * TheMuso -> EOW
[06:50] <chrisccoulson> pitti, yeah, I'm not very happy this morning https://www.facebook.com/chrisccoulson/posts/10157040696845092 :(
[06:51]  * didrocks hugs chrisccoulson
[08:04] <Laney> morning
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> I would say Good Morning, but Morning will have to suffice today.
[08:06] <didrocks> hey Laney, flexiondotorg
[08:06] <flexiondotorg> o/
[08:06] <Laney> Dramatic
[08:07] <Laney> No flames, no helicopters, my VPS is still up, Yakkety still boots
[08:07] <Laney> Could be worse
[08:09] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:10] <Laney> hi pitti
[08:10] <Laney> how are you?
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: slightly stirred, but okay
[08:12]  * Laney goes with trepidation to fidelity.co.uk
[08:13] <pitti> I hope you bought a ton of EURs last week
[08:13] <Laney> No change, guess I should look later on
[08:13] <Laney> haha
[08:13] <Laney> everybody thought that remain would win (even Farage called it early on yesterday evening)
[08:13] <Laney> so I would have bet the wrong way
[08:13] <Laney> fortunately I didn't :)
[08:13] <pitti> yeah, neither did I
[08:14] <pitti> selling stocks in anger is almost never a good idea
[08:14] <pitti> (and I don't buy foreign currencies at all, that just feels wrong)
[08:15] <Laney> nod
[08:15] <Laney> Probably a good time to buy into the banks if you're into that
[08:15] <Laney> not that my investment advice is sound :P
[08:16] <flexiondotorg> I bought more bitcoin a few weeks back.
[08:16] <pitti> I have a lot of stocks in renewable power and water supplies, I hope/don't think they will be particularly affected
[08:16] <Laney> It is better to light a candle than curse the darkness. In the months ahead we will try to ensure that we lay the foundations for a better country. We must prove to the world that Britain will not
[08:16] <Laney> +become a byword for intolerance, insularity and despair. Another Europe is possible. Another Britain is necessary.
[08:17] <Laney> oops
[08:17] <Laney> but nice quote
[08:17] <Laney> meant to link https://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=LON:RBS,+LON:BARC&ei=PuxsV4H8KoeeU_T8rbAD
[08:17] <pitti> http://www.thecountrycaller.com/23083-barclays-plc-adr-bcs-stops-accepting-stop-loss-orders/ -- oops!
[08:18] <pitti> I guess bank's computers got DoSed with stop-loss triggers this morning..
[08:23] <Sweet5hark1> moin
[08:26] <Laney> hi Sweet5hark1
[08:28] <Sweet5hark1> I discovers the UK found a way to bring "devalue your currency, drive up exports!" strategy to scorched earth levels.
[08:31] <Laney> chrisccoulson: east midlands was the most eurosceptic region
[08:31] <Laney> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mI2o0smlVC_TyzhsnweLEayc3tRgtBxIDCotABtUIX0/edit#gid=519932029
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> Laney, yeah, that doesn't surprise me
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> We've been surrounded by leave billboards for the last few weeks. Not a remain billboard in sight, and outside of my house I've yet to meet someone who was planning to vote remain
[09:01] <pitti> I'm trying to understand where this actually comes from
[09:01] <pitti> is it really the EU, or is that just a scapegoat for the real issues, like unregulated capitalism slowly destroying the middle and working classes?
[09:02] <pitti> at least in polls here it's usually the latter
[10:22] <andyrock> good morning
[11:22] <flexiondotorg> Anyone able to review this merge proposal? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/indicator-session/mate-compatibility/+merge/297183
[12:32] <willcooke> :((((
[12:32] <willcooke> Laney, get your big suitcase.  I've found a nice park.  We'll hold up here until we can get in to Canada.
[12:36]  * Laney wibbles at willcooke
[12:36] <Laney> good time to BUY BUY BUY
[12:36] <Laney> ...if you can stomach the long term
[12:39] <willcooke> You think it will make a big difference?
[12:42] <Laney> quite the adjustment
[12:44] <Odd_Bloke> Turns out I chose my Canadian wife well. :)
[12:47] <willcooke> Odd_Bloke, smooth move :)
[12:48] <Odd_Bloke> (We were already planning to move to Canada early next year, but now we're planning extra hard :p)
[12:50] <willcooke> :)
[13:01]  * Laney is setting things up in a VM to be able to work offline
[13:01] <Laney> Want to go mope in a cafe which may or may not have wifi
[13:01] <Laney> bacon sandwich make everything good
[14:51] <Laney> k, actually doing ^ now
[14:51] <Laney> hopefully be online from cafe, but if not - happy weekend
[14:53] <willcooke> see ya Laney
[14:56] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[15:15] <pitti> seb128: I don't understand you comment on bug 1571640
[15:15] <pitti>  unity-settings-daemon | 15.04.1+16.04.20160209-0ubuntu2   | xenial-updates  | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x
[15:15] <pitti> -Recommends: unity-settings-daemon,
[15:15] <pitti> +         unity-settings-daemon (>= 15.04.1+16.04.20160209-0ubuntu2)
[15:15] <pitti> seb128: that seems to match
[15:15] <seb128> pitti, that version doesn't have the xsettings change
[15:16] <seb128> it's a power plugin fix for keyboard backlight
[15:16] <pitti> seb128: ah, so the recommends: change is insufficient? I'll reject this then
[15:16] <seb128> yes
[15:16] <seb128> we need to do a SRU for u-s-d
[15:16] <seb128> then to bump the requirement to that version
[15:16] <pitti> seb128: merci
[15:16] <seb128> de rien
[15:16] <seb128> sorry the comment was not clear
[15:17] <pitti> no worries, I was just missing context
[15:17] <pitti> thanks
[15:18] <seb128> np!
[15:49] <Laney> meow
[15:50] <Laney> weird gnome-terminal issue
[15:50] <Laney> *if* one class has a css name
[15:50] <Laney> *and* there's no menubar shown in the window
[15:50] <Laney> then it shrinks to 1x1
[15:51] <Laney> got to go get on a train
[15:51] <Laney> that's a good environment to look at this code
[15:51] <Laney> o/
[16:12] <Sweet5hark1> woha, italian bank for sale at 25% discount, PER 6.41/
[21:54] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hi Jeremy, do you possibly have any thoughts on bug #1594681?
[22:04] <jbicha> I don't know much about ibus except that GNOME Shell has for years only support ibus
[22:04] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?h=gnome-3-18&id=39f146e6c5727105a3c88c2290654c6ef83102c5
[22:05] <jbicha> what you found in gnome-session is a rather recent addition ^
[22:08] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/tree/js/ui/status/keyboard.js
[22:10] <jbicha> GunnarHj: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/tree/js/misc/ibusManager.js#n70
[22:13] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks, apparently gnome-shell is heavily involved. The fact that GNOME starts the ibus daemon is not the problem, if we just could stop it from setting those variables.
[22:16] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Currently im-config is installed by default in Ubuntu GNOME, and the point with that package is to make it possible for users to choose input method framework. So logically there is two ways to go: Either tell the users "we only support IBus in Ubuntu GNOME", or
[22:17] <GunnarHj> stop GNOME from setting those variables.
[22:21] <jbicha> I believe ibus is the only integrated im method for GNOME
[22:22] <jbicha> my instinct is to just follow GNOME's lead since AFAIK there hasn't been much work to integrate other im methods
[22:22] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Right, it is. But what I'm trying to achieve is making it possible to use e.g. fcitx in an unintegrated manner.
[22:22] <jbicha> but I don't use im methods
[22:23] <GunnarHj> jbicha: I don't either. ;) But in Ubuntu fcitx is now the default IM framework for CJK, since it seems to be preferred by the CJK users.
[22:27] <jbicha> I think it would help a lot if you could find a CJK developer then :)
[22:28] <jbicha> the Arch wiki suggests https://github.com/wengxt/kimpanel-for-gnome-shell
[22:29] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Probably a good idea. ;) Thanks for the tip!


[16:58] <GeekMaster> Hi everyone
[16:59] <GeekMaster> could anyone tell me why the links for the "About and Get Ubuntu poster" for the bigger ones does not work?
[16:59] <GeekMaster> All I  get is the preview one!
[17:01] <Flannel> GeekMaster: Where?
[17:03] <GeekMaster> in this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Materials
[17:04] <Flannel> GeekMaster: Ah, because some of those links are wrong.  But you can find the fullsized ones here: http://nox-hand.com/docs/ubuntuposter/
[17:07] <GeekMaster> thank you Flannel


[01:19] <SonikkuAmerica> @login
[09:44] <bazhang> tpmreyn been a issue before?
[09:44] <bazhang> tom
[09:45] <bazhang> steam installer is ugly <- yeah thats a support issue
[09:47] <ducasse> hi! could somebody please edit the topic in #ubuntu-server? it says "14.04 to 16.04 will be offered on July 21st when 16.04.1 is released"
[13:02] <rly> ikonia has been harassing me.
[13:02] <ikonia> please grow up
[13:02] <rly> It's a clear abuse of power.
[13:02] <ikonia> no-one has harassed you
[13:03] <ikonia> what do you actually want other than to make more noise
[13:03] <ikonia> as that will not continue in this channel
[13:03] <rly> Please kick ikonia off the channel and ban him for life.
[13:10] <rly> Anyone other than ikonia?
[13:10] <ikonia> I suggest you stop pretending I'm on ignore
[13:10] <ikonia> and start addressing your behaviour/bans
[13:10] <ikonia> rather than play these silly games
[13:11] <rly> My request is that you ban ikonia for life and unban me.
[13:12] <ikonia> yeah, that sounds reasonable
[13:12] <rly> ikonia is the largest troll I have ever seen on IRC.
[13:12] <rly> He even has a reputation (see ##hardware for proof).
[13:12] <chu> I will talk with you if you don't want to talk to ikonia, but he is not leaving.
[13:12] <ikonia> what are you talking about see hardware for proof ?
[13:12] <rly> chu: have you completed any university education?
[13:13] <chu> Yes
[13:13] <rly> chu: anything technical?
[13:13] <chu> I'm not sure how it is relevant.
[13:13] <ikonia> chu: he's playing the silly IQ game
[13:13] <ikonia> he'll only talk to people with a high enough IQ
[13:13] <ikonia> and silly claims like that
[13:13] <chu> Please keep discussion to the channel topic.
[13:13] <ikonia> you'll see this junk in BT
[13:13] <rly> chu: well, I have the impression that the problem is that ikonia is just not mentally able to follow my actions.
[13:13] <rly> chu: as such, discussing something with someone of the same level would just repeat the process.
[13:14] <chu> OK, now, without the insults, let's try and discuss this.
[13:14] <rly> chu: I think it's intelligent to ask a question which might have multiple causes in the channels related to it. In this case #ubuntu and ##hardware.
[13:15] <rly> chu: I also asked slightly different questions.
[13:15] <rly> chu: for example in #ubuntu I mentioned that I used unetbootin.
[13:15] <rly> chu: but the real issue is just that ikonia hates me.
[13:15] <rly> chu: which is a mutual feeling.
[13:16] <rly> chu: I have absolutely no respect for ikonia and ikonia has this twisted idea that everyone should respect anyone in the Ubuntu community and even outside of it.
[13:16] <rly> chu: and you can write everything down in your community "rules", but that gives no right to ikonia to act like a dick.
[13:17] <rly> chu: ikonia has never contributed anything remotely useful, imho.
[13:17] <rly> chu: I even have him on ignore and have had him on ignore in the past.
[13:17] <rly> chu: in short, I really do not understand what you want with ikonia.
[13:18] <rly> chu: it's just a waste of star dust.
[13:18] <rly> chu: so, that's about it.
[13:18] <rly> chu: it's not at all reasonable to ban people for doing intelligent actions.
[13:19] <rly> chu: spamming channels with even the same question can be a reasonable action.
[13:20] <rly> chu: because this depends on the complexity of the question.  I dropped off when you were saying that "ikonia is just not mentally able to follow my actions" - if you want to resolve an issue, we can do so; but we do so in a calm environment. Considering your history in the ban-tracker, I don't get the impression you're interested in anything here except for some
[13:25] <chu> personal vendetta against ikonia.
[13:25] <ikonia> it's not just me sadly, is anyone who stops him doing exactly what he wants
[13:25] <rly> chu: I just want access to #ubuntu and I would like to have you forbid ikonia to ever contact me again.
[13:26] <ikonia> I didn't engage with him in any way shape or form, I just removed him as he's had mutliple warnings
[13:26] <rly> chu: they are not insults; they are describing the limitations of a person.
[13:26] <rly> chu: it's the limitations which cause all of this misery.
[13:26] <ikonia> so how can that work ???  This is no different.
[13:26] <rly> crashes*
[13:26] <ikonia> and as you can see this is just some petty insult story
[13:26] <ikonia> rather than actually any real interest in using ubuntu
[13:27] <rly> chu: the reason there are issues is that there is an intelligence gap between me and ikonia.
[13:27] <chu> rly: Regardless of whether or not you see them as insults, how do they add content to the conversation at all?
[13:27] <rly> chu: it's the core issue.
[13:27] <rly> chu: it's not about specific issues.
[13:27] <rly> chu: the core problem is that ikonia lacks the intelligence to understand what I say.
[13:27] <chu> It's as bad as a wannabe academic just name-dropping. Let me talk substance.
[13:27] <rly> chu: you can see that in the channel log.
[13:28] <rly> chu: he was unable to understand me introducing variable names for devices for example.
[13:28] <rly> chu: anyone with any mathematical background would have understood that.
[13:28] <ikonia> chu: I'll leave you to it, it's pointless to try to engage with this guy, hence why he gets banned from everywhere he visits
[13:28] <rly> chu: I see a long history of such interactions.
[13:28] <ikonia> the attitude is just self deluded or a troll
[13:28] <ikonia> I can't work out which one it is
[13:28] <chu> No. I can see repeated abuse of channel guidelines in the ban-tracker, and now a holier-than-thou user trying to crawl back in as if they have done nothing wrong.
[13:28] <rly> chu: ikonia should just never talk to me, because he can't understand what I say.
[13:29] <chu> It's amazing to me that you claim to have such an intelligence, yet are apparently too blunt to see that. But what would I know, I did drop out of high-school.
[13:29] <rly> chu: ok, so another drop out.
[13:30] <rly> chu: then there is no reason to talk to you either.
[13:30] <ikonia> chu: love that he thinks I'm a drop out, so you're now classed as another
[13:31] <chu> He actually started frustrating me just then.
[13:31] <ikonia> he's just a waste of time being open about it
[13:31] <chu> Yep. I didn't know, and then I checked the bt
[13:31] <ikonia> he's now joining random channels and asking
[13:31] <ikonia> 4:31 < rly> Just curious, but is there anyone in here who also hates ikonia?
[13:31] <chu> I should remember the name.
[13:31] <ikonia> to try to build some sort of case against me
[13:31] <chu> Which channel?
[13:32] <ikonia> doing archlinux at the moment and gentoo
[13:32] <chu> lol
[13:32] <ikonia> I think he may have some sort of social issue, I don't know though
[13:33] <chu> Unfortunately I that might be the likely case.
[21:36] <SonikkuAmerica> @login
[21:37] <Unit193> You, uh, really don't need to keep doing that if you aren't going to comment on a ban or change factoids, fwiw.
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh OK
[21:40] <seednode> Little do they realise, I still haven't actually logged in yet
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Still getting a feel for things
[21:45] <Myrtti> and, you can do it in pm, too!
[21:46]  * seednode takes notes
[22:34] <Unit193> /q Myrtti @login
[22:34] <Unit193> Oopsie.
[22:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Lol