[12:14] <_kuja_> It looks like the setting would be in systemsettings -> regional & language -> Keyboard Layout -> XKB Options
[12:17] <ergoproxy> anyone know where i can get the lament screensaver?
[12:18] <cloakable> Does anyone know the current status of the Ralink 2500 in Edgy?
[12:18] <re-align> It should work
[12:19] <re-align> I have a card using the RT-2500 and it's been working since Dapper for me.
[12:19] <cloakable> re-align: WPA?
[12:20] <re-align> Dunno, I don't use WPA. There's probably a wqay to get it working but I haven't pursued it.
[12:21] <aerius> helooooo (im bak with my vmwareplayer probleme :s)
[12:22] <cloakable> Anyone use RT-2500 wireless with WPA under Edgy?
[12:22] <_kuja_> wb aerius
[12:22] <Angrataf> at #kubuntu-de, there is abot! oO !!!111one1
[12:23] <Angrataf> xD
[12:25] <wirelexh> hola
[12:25] <BluesKaj> jackeq crashes when launched ...searched for a fix but the forums don't have much in that area
[12:26] <wirelexh_> hi
[12:26] <londo4> How to install aMule?
[12:26] <wirelexh_> what is spanish server, please?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> !es
[12:26] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:26] <unix_infidel> BluesKaj: why are you using jackeq?
[12:27] <wirelexh_> gracias
[12:27] <BluesKaj> for audio source config
[12:27] <wirelexh_> londo4 try use synaptic
[12:27] <unix_infidel> BluesKaj: there should be some verbose flags you can use at jackeq launch that you can google for.
[12:28] <unix_infidel> things like ardour usually work fine with just standard jack.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> I need it since the audio in my TV Wonder card is missing ...have to use a seperate audio input and jackeq will help integrate it with the video feed so i can record both as an integrated signal onto the hdd then to advd
[12:29] <londo4> wirelexh_: Ok
[12:29] <wirelexh_> thankyou very much!
[12:30] <wirelexh_> i use this mode, but yesterday and last week amule no run
[12:30] <unix_infidel> BluesKaj: that's a terrible hack man.
[12:30] <BluesKaj> I already searched google for a fix ...google is become quite useless at interpreting problems
[12:30] <unix_infidel> like i said, you should try and get some more verbose output from the application
[12:30] <BluesKaj> what's that mean?
[12:31] <wirelexh_> i try reinstall it but it isn't repaired
[12:31] <unix_infidel> BluesKaj: people who code software usually create mechanisms for the user to troubleshoot.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> verebose output
[12:31] <unix_infidel> for instance, on fluxbox, i can use fluxbox logs to troubleshoot my problems.
[12:31] <re-align> _kuja_, tried several settings in the areas you mentioned, no effect.
[12:31] <wirelexh_> londo4 i don't know very much info
[12:32] <BluesKaj> well trhat's you , i would n't now what i was looking at anyway :)
[12:32] <unix_infidel> jackeq looks really cool though, multiple io channels...
[12:32] <wirelexh_> good night!
[12:32] <unix_infidel> BluesKaj: like i said, using jackeq is a terrible hack for getting that card to process audio, get better hardware :)
[12:32] <_kuja_> re-align, if such a setting exists, that would probably have been the place to set it, it might take logging out and logging back in to take full effect, I'm not sure.
[12:32] <BluesKaj> exactly...if i could just get it to launch
[12:33] <re-align> Well I'll have to double check leter then, no time for logging in/out right now.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> apparently jackeq is the thing to use  as reasonable workaround
[12:37] <smub-linux> smubs' back again, how to install invidia card?
[12:43] <ubuntu_> Ok, I need help. I really screwed up windows somehow.
[12:43] <smub-linux> wow, hello
[12:44] <dragonfly7> Ok.
[12:44] <dragonfly7> So I was trying to install kubuntu, but the installation froze halfway through.
[12:44] <aerius> okeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeay thhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinks guuuuuuuuuys my vmware is working :)
[12:44] <nyt> :-o
[12:44] <nyt> waaaaaaaaaa
[12:45] <nyt> do you all sleep?
[12:45] <dragonfly7> When I tried to boot back to windows, I got an error saying that it could not find /system32/hal.dll
[12:45] <aerius> :)
[12:45] <aerius> im gowing to sleep now ;
[12:45] <nyt> :D
[12:45] <dragonfly7> I know how to fix it if I have a Windows startup disk, but I need one.
[12:45] <nyt> i think some o you are 24 hrs online :D
[12:45] <smub-linux> i tried that, just turn the pc off and try again
[12:46] <smub-linux> i had to do it at least 5 times
[12:46] <dragonfly7> So how can I make a MS-DOS startup disk from the Kubuntu live CD?
[12:46] <smub-linux> dont know
[12:47] <smub-linux> ask the guru's
[12:47] <dragonfly7> Does anyone know? I have no way of repairing Windows without it. I am in need of help.
[12:47] <dragonfly7> Where can I find the gurus?
[12:48] <smub-linux> here, ask the question.
[12:49] <dragonfly7> How can I create a MS-DOS boot disk (floppy or CD) from a Kubuntu live CD?
[12:49] <nyt> i'll be back ! i have work to finish
[12:49] <nyt> se yah
[12:49] <nyt> ;)
[12:50] <helge> Is it possible at all?
[12:50] <smub-linux> reboot from c:\  -
[12:50] <dragonfly7> I do not know if it is possible, but I need someway to repair boot.ini on windows.
[12:50] <smub-linux> take the disk out
[12:52] <_kuja_> nyt, caffeine works wonders :D
[12:52] <_kuja_> or wait, nyt left, oops
[12:52] <dragonfly7> reboot from c;\? How do I do that. When I try to boot to windows I get an error saying that "/system32/hal.dll" cannot be found. I think this is cause by Kubuntu breaking the boot.ini on Windows."
[12:53] <smub-linux> ok try to reboot windoze then, if you get stuck come back here.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> kubuntu sets a grunb bootloader for both windows and kubuntu partitions
[12:53] <BluesKaj> grub
[12:54] <smub-linux> IGrubs ok
[12:54] <dragonfly7> I have tried several times. The problem is that my liveCD somehow stopped the install halfway through.
[12:54] <dragonfly7> So GRUB is not installed.
[12:55] <smub-linux> mine did the same lat night
[12:55] <dragonfly7> All I need is a MS-DOS boot disk, but the only way to make those is through windows.
[12:55] <smub-linux> I just kept at it
[12:55] <_kuja_> perhaps the live cd is corrupted or something? that can cause installs to fail midway
[12:55] <smub-linux> Nope, cant be both corrupted
[12:56] <dragonfly7> _kuja_: Perhaps, but thats not the point now. I need to somehow boot to windows so I can create a boot disk to fix windows.
[12:56] <_kuja_> do you have the windows install cd? It can probably repair the file for you
[12:56] <smub-linux> you have it wokng now!
[12:57] <dragonfly7> I do not have the CD. Dell shipped the PC without one. I am running off the live cd, but it cannot install correctly.
[12:57] <smub-linux> no, windows is fine
[12:57] <helge> Could this help? http://www.bootdisk.com/
[12:57] <smub-linux>  WINDOZE IS FINE,, Just lurking
[12:58] <Dasnipa> lurking, or trolling?
[12:58] <smub-linux> So turn tyour PC off and start it then.. BE QUICK and select WINDOWS
[12:59] <dragonfly7> Ok, I will try the boot disk.
[12:59] <dragonfly7> smub-linux: It is not a problem with grub, it is a problem with windows.
[12:59] <smub-linux> if it fails linux will boot
[01:00] <dragonfly7> Linux did not install.
[01:00] <smub-linux> Thats what I think
[01:00] <dragonfly7> So how do I format a floppy in Kubuntu, so that I can try that site that helge gave me.
[01:01] <helge> YOu could use a livelinux cd like slax or something
[01:02] <helge> The gets you up and running and you can have a look around
[01:02] <dragonfly7> With slax, could I edit the boot.ini on the windows partition?
[01:02] <helge> Sure (I think)
[01:02] <livingdaylight> is it an Edgy thing? I used to play my .MOV  clips in Ubuntu but since Edgy the sound is monstrous and horrendous, any ideas anyone?
[01:02] <dragonfly7> helge: You can edit NTFS from slax?
[01:02] <helge> Naaah, dont think so
[01:03] <helge> NTFS is not that good on linux
[01:03] <dragonfly7> Ok. So how do I get Kubuntu to recognize a floppy, so that I can try a disk from that site you gave me.
[01:03] <helge> Many live cds out there maybe shop around for a "rescue distro"
[01:04] <helge> That is an mainboard issue about the floppy I guess
[01:04] <helge> Are you thinking about booting from it or saving into it?
[01:05] <dragonfly7> I want to create a MS-DOS boot floppy from this kubuntu live cd, so that I can use it to start DOS, so I can fix the boot.ini file.
[01:05] <helge> Well I say that kubuntu will recognize your floppy at once
[01:06] <helge> No?
[01:06] <dragonfly7> helge: No. Maybe it is formated strangly? I will look for another.
[01:06] <helge> I sure never tried, but that would be my guess
[01:07] <smub-linux> I have not tried Kubuntu to read my floppy yet,
[01:07] <dragonfly7> Hmm.. thats not working either.
[01:08] <smub-linux> waaait 1
[01:08] <dragonfly7> ?
[01:08] <helge> SO if you insert a floppy, you can not read it?
[01:08] <dragonfly7> Correct.
[01:09] <helge> Never thought of that, hold your horses
[01:09] <dragonfly7> And I need to write to it, to copy "XP Quick Boot Diskette" to it. From that website you gave me.
[01:10] <helge> You should open "storage media" where the drives are, then you should see the floppy there, no?
[01:11] <smub-linux> I was just looking for a 1.44Mb  disk to play with
[01:11] <smub-linux> hda?
[01:12] <dragonfly7> I am not sure. It is a floppy disk...
[01:12] <smub-linux> hda1  the.... guess
[01:12] <smub-linux> like a drive
[01:13] <mohammed> when I come to set my picture it says '' your administrator has disallowed changing your image'' ?
[01:13] <dragonfly7> Ok. If you say so... I am trying to find a rescue distro that can write to NTFS.
[01:13] <Lrrr> faLUCE: Could you register to nickserv please?
[01:14] <faLUCE> lrrr which is the procedure?
[01:14] <smub-linux> what are you ttring to do ?
[01:14] <Lrrr> faLUCE: let me point you to the page
[01:14] <faLUCE> ok
[01:15] <Lrrr> faLUCE: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[01:15] <dragonfly7> smub-linux: Basiccly, I am trying to repair a boot.ini file on a NTFS partition.
[01:15] <faLUCE> ok wait a sec
[01:15] <metatecque> Ok, Here is a legit question that I think has a simple answer - Why when I run "lspci -v" all of my hardware shows that it is only available to root
[01:16] <helge> Since when was it possible to install linux on an ntfs partition?
[01:16] <Lrrr> faLUCE: then we'll discuss emacs on more practical grounds.
[01:16] <LordOliver> I have to transfer files from my fat32 partion in to external device and then move them to my ext3 partion?
[01:16] <dragonfly7> helge: I do not want to install it.
[01:16] <helge> just rescue?
[01:17] <dragonfly7> I broke windows XP, and I need to modify the boot.ini file.
[01:17] <dragonfly7> So that I can boot into it again.
[01:17] <livingdaylight> is Kontact also a newsreader?
[01:17] <helge> OK, I got it, I thougt you would want a dual boot
[01:18] <dragonfly7> helge: I do want to dual boot, but right now I just want to fix windows, so that my mother will not kill me. :)
[01:18] <helge> You can write to NTFS, but I read somewhere that it is experimental , I believe I read that on the ubuntu forum
[01:18] <livingdaylight> I'm getting Library files for "libknodepart.la" not found in paths." when i click on News in Kontact
[01:18] <unix_infidel> dragonfly7: what are you trying to do again?
[01:18] <unix_infidel> and what did linux do to your win partition?
[01:18] <helge> Too late for abortition now, She wont kill you
[01:19] <dragonfly7> I need a LiveCD distro that can write to NTFS so that I can modify a boot.ini file on a windows patition, so that I can boot to windows again. Alternativly, I need some way to create a MS-DOS boot diskette, so that I can repair it that way.
[01:19] <unix_infidel> dragonfly7: why cant you boot into windows?
[01:20] <_kuja_> Could you use something like freedos effectively instead dragonfly?
[01:20] <helge> You dont have the windows cd?
[01:20] <dragonfly7> unix_infidel: Somewhere in the process of resizing the partition and trying to install kubuntu, the boo.ini file of windows got courupted.
[01:20] <dragonfly7> I do not have a windows cd, since dell didn't give me one.
[01:20] <helge> That is a major problem for you!
[01:21] <dragonfly7> And now when I try to boot windows, it says that it cannot find hal.dll, probably because boot.ini was corupted.
[01:21] <helge> They couldnt pend a penny on giving you a cd
[01:21] <unix_infidel> dragonfly7: ok, simple then: rescue and recovery cd, knoppix has captive ntfs support, or you can use bartpe
[01:21] <dragonfly7> So if I could make a MS-DOS floppy, that would work, but now kubuntu wont mount a floppy.
[01:21] <dragonfly7> knoppix can write to ntfs?
[01:21] <Kr4t05> dragonfly7: You don't have a second PC?
[01:22] <helge> You have a friend? With a computer?
[01:22] <dragonfly7> I do not have a second PC, but I may be able to get someone else.
[01:23] <dragonfly7> If knoppix can write to NTFS, I will try getting that, and changing boot.ini.
[01:23] <dragonfly7> Does anyone know where it would be located? system32?
[01:23] <helge> Try google for knoppix and rescue
[01:23] <unix_infidel> dragonfly7: bartpe is a really decent alternative.
[01:23] <helge> But what I would do: Go inn with a live cd, rescue important stuff (pictures etc) , and start all over again
[01:24] <dragonfly7> Can bartpe be downloaded, or do I need something special to use it?  If I am on a live cd, how can I download knoppix? I think I will run out of RAM.
[01:26] <unix_infidel> dragonfly7: that should get you more than started.
[01:27] <unix_infidel> dragonfly7: heh, get a second computer.
[01:27] <helge> Good!
[01:27] <unix_infidel> mount a physical drive and put it on there.
[01:27] <dragonfly7> unix_infidel: Thank you for that link.
[01:28] <helge> Long live hte infidels
[01:28] <helge> Long live the infidels
[01:28] <dragonfly7> unix_infidel: Let me try to mount a physical drive...
[01:29] <dragonfly7> Ok, I am not seeing any physical drives...
[01:29] <dragonfly7> This is scary.
[01:29] <unix_infidel> lol.
[01:29] <dragonfly7> I don't think I have any non-NTFS partitions on there.
[01:30] <dragonfly7> The knoppix download is at 14%. please work.
[01:30] <unix_infidel> well if you have fat32 or free space.
[01:30] <unix_infidel> dragonfly7: it wont, you'll run out of ramdisk soon.
[01:30] <dragonfly7> Maybe I will have to use GParted to make some Fat32 space.
[01:30] <unix_infidel> 1st thing you should do is create a backup partition for all the stuff you should've backed.
[01:31] <unix_infidel> then start working to rescue.
[01:31] <unix_infidel> if worse comes to worse, you can always find a friend with a temporary windows license.
[01:31] <dragonfly7> Ok. I will boot to gparted now. i will be soon. prays.
[01:32] <unix_infidel> Or make the Luna theme for KDE REALLY REALLY convincing.
[01:32] <dragonfly7> unix_infidel: omg, I might have to try that.
[01:32] <dragonfly7> anyway, see you all on the other side.
[01:32] <helge> Best of luck
[01:32] <unix_infidel> Yes, the side of competence, those of us that back-up our data.
[01:33] <helge> Backup is king!
[01:34] <helge> Installing linux on his mommys computer with no backup
[01:37] <seishinbyou> backup is life
[01:37] <seishinbyou> how long should a hard disk last "in practice" anyways?
[01:38] <zibrah3ed> they are rated in hours of operation
[01:38] <zibrah3ed> look up the specs on your hd
[01:39] <helge> But there are many good online solutions today, say Google and Yahoo
[01:40] <helge> For keeping picutres and documents and stuff
[01:41] <Kr4t05> seishinbyou: Depends on usable.
[01:41] <Kr4t05> If you have a PC on 24/7, I'd expect about 4 years.
[01:41] <seishinbyou> Well, this 80GB Fujitsu in my laptop is already making funny clicks and pausing, and it isn't a year old
[01:41] <Kr4t05> seishinbyou: Defect. :P
[01:41] <peanutb> how do i get kubuntu to forget it has hibernated?
[01:42] <seishinbyou> Yeah, but I tend to go through HDD like water; I wondered if all JP HDDs were build to be used once and thrown away
[01:42] <Jucato> disposable HDD's..
[01:45] <Kr4t05> BRB
[01:49] <dragonfly7> Ok, GPartEd LiveCD is magic. I resized the windows partition and it worked.
[01:50] <dragonfly7> Everything is back to normal. Thank you so much everyone who helped.
[01:50] <dragonfly7> I have to get off now and pretend nothing happened before she gets home.
[01:50] <helge> u welcome
[01:50] <dragonfly7> Again, thanks for you help.
[01:52] <Launchpad-Lap> anyone here run wine?
[01:53] <seishinbyou> yes, wine is good
[01:54] <Launchpad-Lap> im still trying to understand linux
[01:54] <seishinbyou> the latest builds didn't seem to work on Edgy for some reason; I'm still on 0.9.22
[01:54] <seishinbyou> Welcome to your understanding of Linux
[01:54] <Launchpad-Lap> how do i get to root?
[01:54] <helge> WIne wont help you understand things
[01:55] <Launchpad-Lap> nm
[01:55] <Launchpad-Lap> crap
[01:55] <seishinbyou> wine is the escapists path
[01:55] <Launchpad-Lap> lol
[01:55] <seishinbyou> well, sometimes you might want to run Diablo 2 or Starcraft or Paint Shop Pro
[01:55] <Launchpad-Lap> well i want to get ntfs-3g to run but im not that advance
[01:55] <Launchpad-Lap> starcraft for zee win!!
[01:56] <Launchpad-Lap> crap i cant get into su
[01:56] <livingdaylight> can someone help me with my .MOV's?
[01:56] <seishinbyou> sudo su -
[01:56] <Jucato> !sudo Launchpad-Lap
[01:56] <ubotu> sudo: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. In component main, is important. Version 1.6.8p12-4ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 161 kB, installed size 396 kB
[01:56] <livingdaylight> this used to just work in Ubuntu but not anymore for some reason
[01:56] <helge> Livingdaylight: whats up with the .mov?
[01:56] <Launchpad-Lap> ty verymuch
[01:56] <livingdaylight> helge: dude, no idea! it just used to work but not anymore
[01:56] <Launchpad-Lap> so how do u get to root then?\
[01:57] <helge> Tried automatix?
[01:57] <seishinbyou> "sudo su -"
[01:57] <Jucato> !sudo | Launchpad-Lap
[01:57] <ubotu> Launchpad-Lap: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:57] <livingdaylight> helge: i got a Minolta Dimage F200 which is a digital camera which also allows me to take video clips
[01:57] <Launchpad-Lap> but its limited as said before
[01:57] <livingdaylight> helge: i upload them via usb and just click on them to play 'em back
[01:57] <seishinbyou> sudo su - lets you become root
[01:57] <Launchpad-Lap> oo
[01:57] <hastesaver> seishinbyou, usually, "sudo -i" is recommended.
[01:57] <livingdaylight> helge: but now i get a HORRIBLE sound come out i just have to close it
[01:58] <helge> you should try automatix, and install mediaplayers with codecs
[01:58] <livingdaylight> helge: dude, what has Automatix got to do with it?
[01:58] <livingdaylight> !automatix
[01:58] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[01:58] <Launchpad-Lap> :( i miss the rpm packages..
[01:58] <helge> Ahem, well I dont recommend automatix any longer
[01:58] <Launchpad-Lap> just double click and volia its installed
[01:58] <livingdaylight> helge: you should be ashamed of yourself recommenditn automatix :D
[01:59] <Launchpad-Lap> lool
[01:59] <helge> But hey, this is what I did! I have a sony phone and I uploaded my videos to mytube, let them fix it
[02:00] <livingdaylight> i wanna know why they used to run in ubuntu but don't anymore
[02:00] <Jucato> Launchpad-Lap: to install a .deb package, just right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[02:00] <helge> So now I watch my phone videos with strange codec on mytube
[02:00] <livingdaylight> is there something weird with Edgy?
[02:00] <Launchpad-Lap> kewl thanks
[02:00] <Launchpad-Lap> does anyone here own a copy of the ubuntu offical thing book?
[02:01] <livingdaylight> Launchpad-Lap: yea, i do
[02:01] <Launchpad-Lap> living is it worth getting?
[02:01] <Launchpad-Lap> cause i realy wanna learn ubuntu
[02:01] <livingdaylight> Launchpad-Lap: i got it just to support the boys at Canonical
[02:01] <Launchpad-Lap> ooo so it is a good helper?
[02:01] <livingdaylight> Launchpad-Lap: its got a nice forward by Mark shuttleworth endorsing it an dgiving some historical background to Ubuntu
[02:02] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, are you sure the problem is with .movs in general and not just the ones that your camera uploads?
[02:02] <Launchpad-Lap> grr i forgoten most of my linux class
[02:02] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, did you try playing other mov files?
[02:02] <Launchpad-Lap> where would i put my wine folder?
[02:02] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: no, i don't know if it is just my camera or not
[02:02] <Launchpad-Lap> it says top folder
[02:02] <Jucato> Launchpad-Lap: ~/.wine folder is automatically created when you install Wine (at least it should be)
[02:02] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: but i do know  that it used to play back my .movs from my digital camera and now it doesn't
[02:02] <Launchpad-Lap> but i cant put it there
[02:02] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, try that first. (try getting other mov files...)
[02:03] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: wouldn't kno w how to, and besides it is my camera .movs that i want to be able to play back
[02:04] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to get an SD card reader to work on my system.  It is labelled "Alcor Micro Corp. SD Reader" and it looks like it was picked up by my system.  I tried mounting it using "mount /dev/sda /media/sda1" but it says the usual "must specify the filesystem type".  Any ideas?
[02:05] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, yes, but a general tactic for debugging is to isolate the problem first. Only after it is determined where exactly the problem lies can one try solving it. I realise that the ultimate requirement is to be able to play your camera files, but first it is necessary to find out what's wrong. Don't you think so?
[02:05] <havoc> does kubuntu have a disk partitioner similar to mandrake's diskdrake ?
[02:05] <havoc> i.e. something that will show me what drives are detected?
[02:06] <helge> Havoc; system settings, disk and file system (log in)
[02:06] <havoc> ok, lemme run in the other room and check ....
[02:07] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: ok, ok, i know it used to work in Dapper and now in Edgy it doesn't, but ok, i'll google for some .mov's and narrow it down for you that way, and then we'll see why it isn't playing it from my camera
[02:08] <londo4> how  to edit /etc/sources.list?
[02:08] <helge> Try google that londo
[02:08] <helge> And add kubuntu
[02:08] <Admiral_Chicago> londo4: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:09] <metatecque> londo4: ctrl-O saves and ctrl-X exits
[02:09] <londo4> ok
[02:10] <LordOliver> can anyone give me a hint to where java 5 sdk installs to?
[02:11] <Jucato> LordOliver: to set Sun Java as the default java, run this command in Konsole: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[02:11] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, actually, I'm not using Edgy right now :-) So I'm afraid I can't help. Just make sure you have all the codecs installed (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats).
[02:12] <LordOliver> Jucato: that is not my issue I would like to install certain IDE(s) and I need to know where the sdk is installed to, to install the IDE
[02:13] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: i've got all the codecs installed - naturally - thank you
[02:14] <[Goce] >  How do you get videos like music videos to play under FireFox web browser?
[02:14] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: what would be great is if you could track down some .mov file formats for me to test. I'm just finding .wmv and so forth
[02:16] <[Goce] >  I've tried searching the web for help with no luck at all.
[02:16] <LordOliver> may SUN burn in Hell!
[02:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> linuxwizard,
[02:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> err
[02:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> LordOliver,
[02:17] <helge> http://www.google.no/search?hl=en&rls=GGGL%2CGGGL%3A2006-42%2CGGGL%3Ano&q=1.mov&btnG=Search
[02:17] <helge> about .mov
[02:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> /usr/lib/jvm/sun-java5.0-jdk what you are looking for?
[02:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> err
[02:17] <havoc> helge: nice but it doesn't let me partition, unless I'm missing something
[02:17] <LordOliver> let me try that, I think I did
[02:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun
[02:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> that's where apt-get install sun-java5-jdk installed to.
[02:19] <LordOliver> thanks
[02:19] <helge> havoc: Ill be back
[02:19] <Launchpad-Lap> grr gotta clean my laser drum
[02:19] <havoc> I need to partition a new drive, how does one go about that in ubuntu?
[02:19] <Launchpad-Lap> go to install?
[02:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> havoc, try sudo apt-get install qtparted
[02:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> then launch qtparted
[02:20] <havoc> Telroth_Plushie|: no network ATM :(
[02:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> oh
[02:20] <havoc> ok, cfdisk it is then
[02:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> you know your way around the commandline?
[02:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> use parted
[02:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's installed, qtparted is just a gui frontent
[02:20] <havoc> Telroth_Plushie|: yes, and then some
[02:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> sudo parted
[02:20] <havoc> all this GUI stuff is messing with me
[02:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's install by default thank god
[02:21] <helge> Havoc: you may be right (but you can delete partitions there) my bad
[02:21] <havoc> cool, brb then
[02:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> parted creates, resizes, moves, deletes, reformats, and more :)
[02:22] <v3ctor> i am having issues with recent `aptitude dist-upgrade`
[02:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> there is no "commit" or "save"
[02:22] <v3ctor> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/835014
[02:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> every command is final.
[02:22] <v3ctor> is there a problem with nscd package?
[02:24] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, ok, by searching my harddrive for .mov files and then searching the web for that filename, I found this: http://linuxmafia.com/pub/rick-moen-soundfiles/toyota-bugger.mov See it works (it does for me)
[02:27] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: ok,  that works
[02:29] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, so what does mplayer (say) say when you try playing your camera files?
[02:30] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: using kaffeine
[02:30] <BetaCookies> hmmm
[02:30] <BetaCookies> I have a 2WIRE 1000sw router, it only has one ethernet port, which I will soon be using for my mac, is there a way I could get it to work via USB?
[02:30] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, I picked mplayer because it's verbose... Does kaffeine give any error message?
[02:31] <ckd> guten abend @ all
[02:31] <Creepz> GAHHHHHHHHHHH i have an apache server which isnt listed in top and wont shutdown what should i do :(
[02:31] <livingdaylight> no, the thing plays but with horrendous distorted sound
[02:31] <Creepz> ive even removed apache from synaptic and its still there ive done killall apache + apache 2
[02:32] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, oh... are you sure it isn't that your camera's recording device has gone bad? ;-)
[02:32] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: i thought it might be. But i had some old ones saved to cd and they are miss-playing too, so...
[02:33] <Lothar> i have done a server install and i want to remote ssh into the machiene, the problem is that the Ip address is not set properly, what is the command
[02:33] <livingdaylight> hastesaver: when i play it back from the camera although feint i can hear that it is fine too
[02:34] <hastesaver> livingdaylight, oh... maybe you can try using mplayer, and see if it gives an error message (or paste the output to pastebin)
[02:34] <Creepz> Lothar i think its ifconfig
[02:35] <Creepz> type man ifconfig      Lothar
[02:36] <alek66> when I did a modprobe ndiswrapper console froze... and I have loaded ndiswrapper as a module but I dont see the interface
[02:36] <BetaCookies> [amsg]  Be right back, changing internet connection.
[02:39] <Furesho> okay. firefox is installed and java runtime is installed, yet firefox cannot see that java runtime is already installed, so i can't run applets in firefox. how can i get java to work with firefox?
[02:39] <Launchpad-Lap> !flex
[02:39] <ubotu> flex: A fast lexical analyzer generator.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.5.33-4 (edgy), package size 220 kB, installed size 936 kB
[02:40] <Launchpad-Lap> ok tally time.. who here is runing 6.06 and who here is running 6.10
[02:41] <sungam> hi
[02:41] <metatecque> Launchpad-Lap: 6.06.0 - k and g on seperate terms
[02:42] <Launchpad-Lap> i see
[02:42] <helge> 6.06
[02:43] <Furesho> anybody here?
[02:43] <sungam> I followed this tutorial ( http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu_p2?s=aa69957c007c3ffd1f24d3853e173540& ) to compile a kernel on 6.10 (needed to enable hdd protection). The compilation and installation went fine, but when I restart, KDE won't load (KDM will).  If it was just the new one it wouldn't really be a problem.
[02:45] <Dheeraj_k> one stop multimedia solution for ubuntu :) http://thakur.dheeraj.googlepages.com/ubuntuPackage.pdf
[02:46] <Dheeraj_k> have fun
[02:46] <eilker> !grub > eilker
[02:56] <Launchpad-Lap> !lamp
[02:56] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[02:56] <Launchpad-Lap> wtf is lamp lol
[02:59] <Pe_de_panow> oi
[03:00] <eilker> oi
[03:00] <Pe_de_panow> minha primeira vez aki, o pessoal parece meio queto
[03:00] <metatecque> Launchpad-Lap: what do you mean by wtf is lamp - it is the coolest set of server software you will ever learn... oi
[03:01] <Launchpad-Lap> well is it a database.. or what?
[03:02] <Launchpad-Lap> database..webserver.. eh?
[03:02] <metatecque> Then you get to play with - Mambo and Joomla - Dropal and PHP nuke
[03:02] <alek66> How do I unload a loaded module
[03:02] <Launchpad-Lap> first i wanna get through workstation lol
[03:03] <metatecque> linux is the os - apache is the webserver - mysql is the database - PHP is the Perl Hypertext Pre-processor that makes it all work
[03:04] <Pe_de_panow> hi
[03:04] <Launchpad-Lap> another words stuff i dont remember from college
[03:04] <metatecque> hello Pe_de_panow
[03:04] <Pe_de_panow> is this a brazilian channel?
[03:05] <Pe_de_panow> or not?
[03:05] <metatecque> no this is the kde-ubuntu support channel
[03:05] <Pe_de_panow> oh sorry
[03:05] <Pe_de_panow> my first time here
[03:05] <Pe_de_panow> i was speaking in portuguese, i didnt know
[03:06] <Jucato> !pt
[03:06] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[03:06] <metatecque> ty Jucato
[03:06] <Pe_de_panow> tks
[03:06] <helge> Obrigada? Obrigado
[03:07] <LjL> wow
[03:07] <LjL> was about time someone else noticed
[03:07] <LjL> but, nah, i'll leave it. it's a tradition now
[03:08] <Jucato> lol
[03:08] <helge> lol
[03:08] <Launchpad-Lap> grr how come each time i restart kubuntu my mouse doesnt work.. i gotta switch it in the ports
[03:08] <JohnFlux> will ubuntu fiesty have driver support for a star gate?
[03:08] <alek66> how do I bring down a network interface?
[03:08] <JohnFlux> I don't have a dialing device
[03:08] <LjL> alek66: ifdown <interface>
[03:09] <Pe_de_panow> may I ask my questions about kubuntu here?
[03:09] <LjL> Pe_de_panow: yup
[03:09] <alek66> Pe_de_panow, just ask
[03:09] <JohnFlux> Pe_de_panow: of course
[03:09] <Pe_de_panow> is there a way to install mercury messenger using adept?
[03:10] <JohnFlux> Pe_de_panow: never heard of it
[03:10] <alek66> can anyone help me with some ndiswrapper?
[03:10] <LjL> not from the official repos that i can see
[03:10] <eilker> Pe_de_panow:no u cnt
[03:10] <JohnFlux> Pe_de_panow: doesn't seem to.  is it open source
[03:10] <eilker> Pe_de_panow:just follow  www.mercury.to
[03:10] <Pe_de_panow> i've seacherd for it in adept, but i didnt find
[03:10] <eilker> Pe_de_panow: u will need java too
[03:11] <Random_Transit> hey, i can't get k3b to read mp3s
[03:11] <alek66> I want to unload ndiswrapper module... how do i do it?
[03:11] <Pe_de_panow> tks eilker
[03:11] <Random_Transit> can anyone help me??
[03:11] <Pe_de_panow> i will try to download it directly from site
[03:11] <alek66> Random_Transit, just ask
[03:11] <eilker> Pe_de_panow: np
[03:12] <Random_Transit> i'm trying to burn an audio cd with k3b, and it won't let me use mp3s
[03:13] <BetaCookies> hmm
[03:13] <BetaCookies> I have no opengl library installed :\
[03:13] <BetaCookies> configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found
[03:16] <Telroth_Plushie|> sungam, did you fix your problem?
[03:16] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|:  nope
[03:17] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|: I've been trying to find some solution, but I can't seem to
[03:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> when you log in
[03:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> does the screen reset and then kdm reloads?
[03:17] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|:  yes
[03:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> ok
[03:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> press ctrl+f1 to switch to tty1
[03:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> then
[03:17] <Telroth_Plushie|> log in as your normal user
[03:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> if it fills the screen with "bash: permission denied: /dev/null
[03:18] <metatecque> aah - ctrl+alt-f1?
[03:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> hit ctrl+c
[03:18] <ckd> good morning
[03:18] <BetaCookies> how do I get an OpenGL library so I can compile StepMania?
[03:18] <Pe_de_panow> good morning
[03:18] <metatecque> ckd: good evening
[03:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> then type "sudo chmod 777 /dev/null"
[03:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> then press ctrl+alt+f7 to return to kdm
[03:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> and try logging in
[03:18] <Telroth_Plushie|> that's the current problem with my system (6.10)
[03:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> and the work around i have to use every time i boot it up
[03:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> no solution yet.
[03:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> (that i have found)
[03:19] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|:  Just to check if I've gotten it right: Start normally, Try to log in, Press CTRL+F1, log in as normal user, CTRL+C, then type "sudo chmod 777 /dev/null", CTRL+ALT+F7
[03:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> metatecque, you are right, ctrl+alt+f1 in the first instance
[03:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> sungam, don't bother logging into kdm
[03:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> it'll just reset like usual
[03:19] <sungam> kk
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> hit ctrl+alt+f1 when the kdm login appears
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> then the rest as you said
[03:20] <metatecque> Telroth_Plushie|: I try
[03:20] <ckd_> it was broke all 5 minutes
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> log in as normal user
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> ctrl+c
[03:20] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|:  thanks
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> etc.
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> yw
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> let me know if it works
[03:20] <ckd_> everybody know this bug?
[03:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> what bug?
[03:21] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|:  I'll try. Need to get out of windows to see if it works :)
[03:21] <ckd_> dsl connection hang up all the time
[03:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> ckd_, i don't have that problem, my dsl is managed by my router.
[03:22] <dragonfly7> Hey, if anyone is still on who helped me earlier, you will be happy to know Winblows is funtioning.
[03:22] <ckd_> bad shit
[03:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> !language
[03:22] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:22] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|:  trying to reboot now. I'll be back in a bit, I hope :)
[03:22] <metatecque> ckd_: get a router and a S#!^ catcher
[03:22] <ckd_> bad shit i have 16mbit and my  router knows 6 mbit
[03:22] <mc74x> hoal
[03:23] <Kiongku> !language > ckd_
[03:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> ckd_, check your configuration. i haven't seen anyone else with that problem, so it's probably a config error
[03:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> ckd_, they don't make 6mbit routers :P
[03:23] <metatecque> !language > metatecque
[03:23] <Telroth_Plushie|> slowest i know of is 10mbit, and any you buy today are 100mbit
[03:24] <ckd_> bad shit
[03:25] <Pe_de_panow> how do I copy subdirectories using 'cp' at konsole?
[03:25] <LjL> Pe_de_panow: cp -a is an option - but read the man page. "man cp"
[03:25] <ckd_> g8 @ all
[03:26] <Telroth_Plushie|> LjL, how does cp -a differ from cp -r ?
[03:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> i use cp -r to do my recursive copies (subdirs)
[03:27] <LjL> read the manpage ;)
[03:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> ah
[03:27] <Telroth_Plushie|> *feels stupid*
[03:27] <Pe_de_panow> neither -r and -a worked...
[03:27] <LjL> !doesn't work
[03:27] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[03:28] <Telroth_Plushie|> Pe_de_panow, how are you using it?
[03:28] <metatecque> LjL: I like ubotu humor... I should add to it
[03:28] <Pe_de_panow> sudo cp -a /home/leonardo/Desktop/mercury/*.* .
[03:29] <Telroth_Plushie|> sudo cp -a /home/leonardo/Desktop/mercury/* . <-- try this
[03:29] <Pe_de_panow> hum let me try
[03:30] <Pe_de_panow> i think that it worked, telroth... let me see
[03:30] <Pe_de_panow> yes! tks telroth
[03:30] <Pe_de_panow> *.* -> bad DOS memories lol
[03:31] <Telroth_Plushie|> lol Pe_de_panow
[03:31] <Pe_de_panow> newbie with linux
[03:33] <Pe_de_panow> what does this command do? ---------> chgrp -R users /usr/share/mercury
[03:34] <kgx> hi. how can start konsole with 2 tabs with 2 session types?
[03:34] <nickv111> Pe_de_panow: It sets the group mode on /usr/share/mercury recursively to the group "users"
[03:35] <Pe_de_panow> ah i thought that i should replace the word 'users' by something else...
[03:37] <e3> Help! My KDE weather applet says "The requested Station doesnt exist", nomatter what town it tell it to use.
[03:38] <momal> Im looking for a good program that can convert avi files into dvd format then burn to dvd (if possible ability to design menus and that (simple ones doesn't need to be comples))
[03:39] <Pe_de_panow> how do i make visible all the directories on konqueror?
[03:39] <momal> Pe_de_panow: view> show hidden files
[03:39] <Jucato> Pe_de_panow: hidden directories? View menu -> Show hidden files
[03:39] <Jucato> snap
[03:40] <momal> lol
[03:40] <momal> to quick for you :p
[03:40] <Jucato> hehe
[03:40] <kgx> i hate it how it makes all directories hidden in kubuntu 6.10
[03:40] <robotgeek> kgx: f8 or rm ~/.hidden
[03:40] <Jucato> !hidden-root kgx
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hidden-root kgx - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <Jucato> !hidden-root | kgx
[03:41] <ubotu> kgx: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[03:41] <Pe_de_panow> why this?
[03:41] <robotgeek> Jucato: you know anything about sources.list.d directory and its behaviour?
[03:41] <momal> i thought you could only make hidden files/folders by putting . in font of its name
[03:41] <Jucato> momal: this one's special
[03:41] <Jucato> robotgeek: um... nope..
[03:42] <robotgeek> Jucato: heh, okay
[03:42] <kgx> ubotu:  thanks for the link. still on dapper at work but will read that when i get home :-)
[03:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks for the link. still on dapper at work but will read that when i get home :-) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:42] <kgx> ah bot :p
[03:46] <momal> Im looking for a good program that can convert avi files into dvd format then burn to dvd (if possible ability to design menus and that (simple ones doesn't need to be comples))
[03:46] <Telroth_Plushie|> momal, devede
[03:47] <Hawkwind> !devede
[03:47] <ubotu> devede: Video DVD creator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 243 kB, installed size 664 kB
[03:48] <momal> Just an idea.... you should make ubot list dependencies as well :).. or maybe link to a page with the listen deps.
[03:48] <nickv111> What's the command to start up the battery monitor?
[03:49] <momal> Telroth_Plushie|: thanks will check it out
[03:49] <nickv111> Mine quit, and I can't get it bacm
[03:49] <nickv111> back*
[03:49] <Hawkwind> momal: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[03:49] <knapp> Please, someone recommend me a good (great) bittorrent client.
[03:49] <Telroth_Plushie|> momal, apt-cache showpkg devede
[03:50] <Telroth_Plushie|> knapp, azureus
[03:50] <Telroth_Plushie|> no better client
[03:50] <Telroth_Plushie|> however can't be installed concurrently with eclipse
[03:50] <Telroth_Plushie|> due to a naming conflict with dependancies
[03:50] <momal> Knapp: I use torrentflux which is web/python/bittoronado bassed
[03:50] <knapp> I'm currently using Az
[03:50] <Telroth_Plushie|> my second recomendation is ktorrent
[03:50] <Jucato> ktorrent....
[03:50] <knapp> azureus
[03:51] <knapp> but It's having problems.
[03:51] <Telroth_Plushie|> like what?
[03:51] <knapp> I hate ktorrent.
[03:51] <knapp> Like my downloads slow to a halt after a long period of time, but when I close out and reopen it they start full speed again.
[03:51] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|: Tried your workaround, but unfortunately that didn't solve it.
[03:52] <enyawix> where is the non open stuff posted?
[03:52] <knapp> I think I have the bugged version of ktorrent. All torrents contstantly go from active to stalled active to stalled over and over.
[03:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> sungam, when you logged in to the console on tty1, did it print "bash: permission denied: /dev/null" over and over again?
[03:52] <Telroth_Plushie|> knapp, mine do that if i have peers but no one is sharing
[03:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> sometimes one of them will send a few bytes and it goes to "downloading", then it reverts back.
[03:53] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|:  nope :)
[03:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> make sure your udp ports are open for incoming connections
[03:53] <Telroth_Plushie|> that really boosts download speeds
[03:53] <Jucato> knapp: doesn't do that anymore in the current version in Kubuntu
[03:53] <Hawkwind> Azureus does nothing but eat memory with all its memory leaks.  Using a dial-up modem would be better than that app
[03:54] <Hawkwind> knapp: You using Dapper or Edgy ?
[03:54] <knapp> jucato I have 2.0.3
[03:54] <knapp> Edgy
[03:54] <Hawkwind> Get 2.1dev
[03:54] <Jucato> knapp: it doesn't do that anymore. it could be a problem with the torrent itself
[03:54] <Hawkwind> knapp: http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/ktorrent/svn-dapper/
[03:54] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|: what kind of surprises me is that it broke my old kernel as well. thought the kernels worked independent of eachother (separate configs and such)
[03:55] <Pe_de_panow> hey everybody, i gonna sleep, tks everybody for hints
[03:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> sungam, they usually do
[03:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> i have about 6 installed
[03:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> sungam, upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to a pastebin site
[03:56] <Telroth_Plushie|> it should help with the problem
[03:56] <sungam> kinda tricky, unfortunately
[03:56] <sungam> on wlan which doesn't load without x
[03:57] <sungam> or I haven't gotten it to load at least, so I need ot reoboot to windows to get on net
[03:57] <Pe_de_panow> bye
[03:57] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|: but could you look at http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu_p2 ,please and see if there's some obvious flaws? My first time compiling a kernel, so I wouldn't know if I missed out on anything
[03:58] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|:  I did everything there, but if the author missed something I mean
[04:00] <Telroth_Plushie|> sungam, that's not the method i used when i was building my kernels, but i see nothing wrong with it.
[04:02] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|: hmmm... thanks... Thought it might have to do with the make-kpkg way of compiling (not sure what's included), but from a debian.org faq it seems to be a proper way of doing it
[04:06] <LeeJunFan> The DVD version has no rescue?!? That's odd. I tried dapper and edgy tonight after repartitioning my system and restoring from backups, had to use an alternate CD to boot rescue mode.
[04:11] <nikon> I NEED HELP PLEASEEE!!!!! MAJOR EMERGENGY
[04:11] <Dasnipa> major emergency? national security at stake?
[04:11] <eilker> so ask
[04:12] <nikon> i have about 30 seconds before my os freezes again
[04:12] <Dr_willis> wow
[04:12] <drarem> too late
[04:12] <Dr_willis> live cd :)
[04:12] <Dasnipa> so stop chit chattin and ask lol
[04:13] <Dasnipa> probably some overclocker newb
[04:13] <Dasnipa> i only turned it up 500 mhz with stock heat sink. whys it freezing?
[04:14] <sungam> :)
[04:14] <Dasnipa> but i need to waste cpu ticks at a 10% faster rate!
[04:16] <Dasnipa> my wow raid group is counting on it... lol
[04:16] <nikon> ok sorry, im running edgy, everything up to date, no im not an overclocking newb. dont know how to explain it properly, but here it goes. everything works fine, for a bit, then my whole x server freezes for about 2 -5 minutes then comes back. ktorrent wont stay open, amarok freezes about 20 seconds into each song and then comes back a minute later, switches songs the freezes again.
[04:17] <nikon> if i dont answer right away give me a minute and ill be back
[04:17] <Hawkwind> nikon: Run memtest for as many hours as you can to check your RAM
[04:17] <Hawkwind> nikon: That's the first signs of a hardware issue
[04:18] <nikon> "unknown id: memtest"
[04:18] <nikon> got it never mind
[04:19] <Hawkwind> nikon: You have to boot to it.  It's best to let it run overnight while you sleep
[04:19] <Hawkwind> A good 12 - 16 hours would be the best to let it run for
[04:19] <nikon> how do i boot to it?
[04:20] <Hawkwind> Hit ESC when it gets the countdown of grub
[04:20] <Hawkwind> Then you simply select it as if you were selecting another kernel
[04:20] <nikon> ok
[04:20] <eilker> 12-16 hours ??
[04:20] <Hawkwind> eilker: Yes.  That is what memtest is recommended to be run for to do proper checks
[04:21] <eilker> hawkwind:  i  never did it
[04:21] <Dr_willis> or he may be having somthing slurp up all his ram.
[04:22] <nikon> ok back
[04:22] <babob4722> HI ALL
[04:22] <babob4722> im new to linux, just installed it
[04:22] <babob4722> and I must say I LOVE IT
[04:22] <nikon> is there anything else i can do?
[04:22] <Dr_willis> moo
[04:23] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|:  thanks for the help so far, btw. Going to try to recompile according to: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_fedora_p2 , then see if that helps
[04:23] <Dr_willis> nikon,  try a live cd - see if it has issues as well.
[04:23] <Hawkwind> nikon: Best to start there and eliminate that issue first
[04:23] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie|: somehow I doubt it, but it's worth a shot :)
[04:23] <nikon> ok, thanks alot. ill be back
[04:26] <sungam> wish me luck :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> !logs
[04:27] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:28] <eilker> !dual
[04:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:28] <Dr_willis> !duke
[04:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about duke - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:28] <eilker> !boot > eilker
[04:30] <LordOliver> hehehe ... beginners luck strikes again
[04:30] <babob4722> HI
[04:31] <babob4722> I am new to linux, and just installed it, and I love it
[04:31] <babob4722> but there is so much to learn now
[04:31] <babob4722> lol
[04:32] <babob4722> can anyone give me any pointers?
[04:32] <babob4722> tips even?
[04:32] <LordOliver> babob4722: as in tips concerning what?
[04:32] <LordOliver> something you'd like to know more about?
[04:32] <babob4722> anything...
[04:33] <Dr_willis> Tip #1 - dont be vague.
[04:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:33] <Dr_willis> Tip #2 - read read read read... and read more...
[04:33] <babob4722> ok will do
[04:33] <babob4722> thanks
[04:33] <Dr_willis> tldp.org is a good place to start.
[04:33] <Dr_willis> the kubuntu/ubuntu homepage/wikis are also good.
[04:34] <momal> Tip #3 - after completing Tip #2 Read more :).... and if you have another spare box don't be afraid to muck around with it becuase if it dies just format and reinstall :)
[04:35] <Jucato> babob4722: you could probably start with the Kubuntu Desktop Guide that comes with Kubuntu
[04:35] <Jucato> babob4722: K Menu -> Help
[04:35] <LordOliver> wiki's are good though I still can't figure out how to make it less ugly
[04:36] <Dr_willis> make what less ugly? the wiki?
[04:36] <eilker> i use linux/kubuntu/ubuntu since two months, i still didnt understand structure
[04:36] <Jucato> LordOliver: try accessing the wiki using wiki.kubuntu.org instead of wiki.ubuntu.com :)
[04:36] <Jucato> eilker: what structure specifically?
[04:37] <momal> eilker: I have been using linux for 5 years now and im still learning stuff :)
[04:37] <Jucato> learning is really a life-long process :)
[04:37] <Jucato> it also depends on how much you really want to learn, and how determined you are
[04:37] <eilker> jucato: for example mount thing, and symlink etc
[04:38] <eilker> momal: i installed ftp server, web server, will install e-mail server
[04:38] <Jucato> one step at a time :)
[04:38] <Dr_willis> porn server.
[04:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:38] <Jucato> ssshh
[04:38] <LordOliver> Jucato: kubuntu is damn easy to install though it isn't even funny :)
[04:38] <momal> eilker: nice install server's is a good way to get around how configurations work and how to run/stop/start things :)
[04:39] <Jucato> LordOliver: time for you to move to Gentoo hehehe :)
[04:39] <momal> Haha... Gentoo is evil for me :(
[04:39] <LordOliver> jucato: I was thinking Fedora Core 6 ;)
[04:39] <momal> Debian all the way :)
[04:39] <Jucato> lol
[04:39] <eilker> momal: in fact i really liked it, my retired pc is a web host at the moment
[04:39] <Jucato> different strokes :)
[04:40] <momal> eilker: :D.. linux has its good feature to run on old computers unlike the operating system that must remain unspoken :p
[04:41] <Dr_willis> FreeDOS?
[04:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:41] <eilker> for a newbie there r many subjects, studying linux ? or studying os/kubuntu ? or trying to go out windows logic....etc...
[04:42] <eilker> linux is another world for windows users
[04:43] <BetaCookies> linux is easy :P
[04:43] <Dr_willis> Linux users are from Mars... Window Users are from their own perverted realigy.
[04:43] <Dr_willis> reality
[04:43] <levander> When you are dist-upgrading, and a configuration file has changed in a package, does update-manager still let you choose whether to keep your old configuration files that you've modified or upgrade to the new configuration just like apt-get does?  Or, has update-manager "simplified" the process so much, you aren't given this option?
[04:43] <eilker> BetaCookies: i dont agree with you:)
[04:44] <Jucato> lve
[04:44] <levander> Damn, I've asked that same question in 3 ubuntu channels.  No one knows.
[04:44] <LordOliver> why does everyone like the mac osx look?
[04:44] <Jucato> levander: we don't have update-manager in Kubuntu
[04:44] <levander> Jucato: good point
[04:45] <Dr_willis> i was thinking that. :)
[04:45] <Jucato> levander: but afaik, update-manager is just a fancy front-end to apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:45] <babob4722> I do have a ligitmat question now
[04:45] <babob4722> i have a pentium 4 pc compaq to be precise
[04:45] <levander> Jucato: yeah, I'm just trying to make sure it doesn't overwrite the hours of configuration I've done, without informing me.
[04:45] <babob4722> which files do I download for linux programs
[04:46] <Dr_willis> !apt
[04:46] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[04:46] <levander> I've heard with all the problems dist-upgrading to edgy, you're better off using update-manager...
[04:46] <babob4722> x86  x86-64  ppc
[04:46] <Dr_willis> babob4722,  you mean wihc version of the disrto to use?
[04:46] <Jucato> levander: also, afaik, an upgrade always overwrites the configurations in /usr and /etc. if you the configurations you made were saved in $HOME, then those are kept
[04:46] <babob4722> every time i download something it doesnt work
[04:46] <Dr_willis> babob4722,  and your cpu is a ??
[04:46] <babob4722> i dont know
[04:46] <babob4722> its a pentium 4
[04:46] <levander> Jucato: nah, with apt-get, for some packages, you are prompted if you want to keep the old configuration
[04:47] <Dr_willis> x86 then.
[04:47] <babob4722> thank you
[04:47] <Jucato> levander: only some, like KDM. but not always
[04:47] <Jucato> kdm/gdm
[04:47] <Dr_willis> 'i dont know, its a pent 4' :) heh heh heh
[04:47] <levander> Jucato: yeah, true
[04:48] <Jucato> levander: but like I said, if the configuration changes you made affect only your user (hence gets saved in $HOME), you have nothing to worry about
[04:48] <gtrplr> what is the dev release name ?
[04:48] <Jucato> apt doesn't remove things from $HOME
[04:48] <levander> Jucato: no, they don't, i've configured several servers to be the way i want
[04:48] <gtrplr> after edgy
[04:49] <Jucato> Feisty Fawn
[04:49] <Jucato> levander: ah special case, I'm not exactly sure...
[04:49] <gtrplr> Jucato: thank you
[04:49] <eilker> is  symlink dangerous ?
[04:49] <Jucato> gtrplr: for more feisty questions, go to #ubuntu+1 :)
[04:50] <Jucato> eilker: depends on how you use it. generally, no
[04:50] <levander> Jucato: okay, thanks
[04:50] <Dr_willis> are computers dangerous. :)
[04:50] <Jucato> Dr_willis: if you throw them at someone, they are :P
[04:50] <eilker> i hate loosing of data that's why i ask :D
[04:51] <eilker> i hate partitions, i hate mbr too
[04:51] <Dr_willis> take up golf.... sell the pc.
[04:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:51] <Jucato> eilker: mbr is necessary. partitions (should) make your life easier.
[04:52] <Jucato> people hate what they fear. they fear what they don't understand :)
[04:52] <eilker> jucato: u r totaly right
[04:52] <Dr_willis> We have nothing to Fear but MS itself.
[04:52] <babob4722> it says archive type not supported
[04:52] <Jucato> lol
[04:52] <babob4722> what does that mean?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> what is saying what where babob4722
[04:53] <Dr_willis> who when why... :)
[04:53] <Jucato> which how
[04:53] <babob4722> i was trying to download firefox but it keeps telling me that the archive file is not supported
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Ahy are you even downloading it?
[04:54] <babob4722> yes i downloaded it
[04:54] <babob4722> to my desktop
[04:54] <Dr_willis> use the pacakge manager and just install it.
[04:54] <Dr_willis> !apt
[04:54] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[04:54] <Dr_willis> you dont need to 'go download it'
[04:54] <eilker> use adept...
[04:54] <eilker> system/adept
[04:54] <Dr_willis> !info firefox
[04:54] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 28588 kB
[04:55] <Dr_willis> 'sudo apt-get install firefox'
[04:55] <Dr_willis> will download and isntall it.
[04:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:55] <babob4722> oh sorry, i meant firestarter
[04:55] <babob4722> my bad
[04:55] <Dr_willis> !info firestarter
[04:55] <ubotu> firestarter: gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 383 kB, installed size 1884 kB
[04:56] <babob4722> i thought it was to download music
[04:56] <babob4722> lol
[04:56] <babob4722> omg im too new at this
[04:56] <Dr_willis> babob4722,  huh.....
[04:56] <babob4722> i want to download music, are there any programs for linux to do that?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> fire up adept and read the pacakge decriptions.
[04:56] <eilker> !amule
[04:56] <ubotu> amule: client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 1239 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[04:57] <Dr_willis> install some of the various p2p clients...
[04:57] <babob4722> what is adept?
[04:57] <Dr_willis> or use the torrent sites
[04:57] <Dr_willis> !adept
[04:57] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:57] <Dr_willis> 'read read read read.....' :)
[04:57] <babob4722> thank you
[04:58] <eilker> people, can i request ubuntu-server cd from ship-it ?
[04:58] <Dr_willis> eilker,  i dont think so
[04:58] <Jucato> Dapper, probably
[04:59] <Jucato> eilker: http://shipit.ubuntu.com and check your options
[04:59] <babob4722> i didnt even have it installed
[04:59] <babob4722> what a tool i am
[04:59] <babob4722> lol
[04:59] <babob4722> thanks for all your help guys
[04:59] <Dr_willis> You installed Kubuntu and dident have adept installed?
[04:59] <eilker> Dr_willis: i already have installed lamp server on kubuntu , now do i use kubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-server
[04:59] <babob4722> yup
[05:00] <babob4722> im a tool
[05:00] <babob4722> lol
[05:00] <Dr_willis> eilker,  depends on whart you are wanting to do. :)
[05:00] <Jucato> eilker: ah.. sorry, only Desktop CD's are shipped
[05:00] <eilker> Dr_willis: just trying to understand differences between both, is only difference gui ?
[05:01] <Dr_willis> server would have no gui - i am guessing
[05:01] <Dr_willis> those are both meta-packages that install sets of other packages...
[05:01] <Jucato> Dr_willis: the Server CD installs a LAMP system. different from the server install on the Alternate Install CD
[05:01] <eilker> jucato: and limited dsl here:)
[05:02] <Jucato> eilker: how limited? I only have 512kbps
[05:03] <eilker> jucato: 3gb download in a month and 1024 kpbs //and 20 us dollars cost
[05:03] <eilker> jucato: no upload limit
[05:03] <Jucato> ah... mine has a fixed rate and fixed bandwidth (down/upload)
[05:03] <Dr_willis> !info kubuntu-server
[05:03] <Dr_willis> !info kubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <ubotu> Package kubuntu-server does not exist in any distro I know
[05:03] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.22 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB
[05:04] <Jucato> !info ubuntu-standard | Dr_willis
[05:04] <ubotu> ubuntu-standard: The Ubuntu standard system. In component main, is standard. Version 1.30 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB
[05:05] <eilker> is alternate cd same with server cd ?
[05:05] <Jucato> eilker: o
[05:05] <Jucato> er.. "no"
[05:05] <Jucato> Alternate Install CD = text based installer with lots of different advanced options
[05:06] <eilker> jucato: i see, do u choose kde,gnome,xfce ? and lamp install option etc ?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> i install all those desktops. :)
[05:07] <Jucato> eilker: no. you can only install the desktop that comes with the installer: KDE for Kubuntu Alternate Install CD, GNOME for the Ubuntu one
[05:07] <Jucato> also no LAMP option
[05:07] <Dr_willis> You can easially download/install other desktops afterwards
[05:08] <Jucato> Alternate Install options: server (minimal, no GUI) install, expert (choose individual modules, have root enabled by default), LVM support, RAID support, installing GRUB somewhere other than MBR
[05:09] <eilker> lets say i use ubuntu, installed kde-desktop, now is it same with kubuntu ?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> its kubuntu + gnome desktop :)
[05:09] <eilker> jucato: so what is use of alternate cd, may be for engineering?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> normally i install 'kubuntu-desktop'
[05:10] <Jucato> eilker: I already enumerated some features of the CD
[05:10] <Jucato> those features are not in the Desktop CD
[05:10] <Dr_willis> eilker,    i always use the alt install cd. ii find it fetsre then the live cd.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> faster :)
[05:10] <LordOliver> ok, I downloaded a theme and unpacked it now I got shit all over my desktop... what did I do wrong?
[05:10] <eilker> jucato: i see
[05:10] <bLaZeD> hello all......i just tried to ping google and yahoo .com and im now getting this : http://pastebin.ulteo.us/271 ...ive always been able to ping......1st time ive ever seen this b4
[05:10] <eilker> dr_willis: kde-desktop and kubuntu desktop are same or not ?
[05:11] <Jucato> actually, it's the other way around Dr_willis.. the Desktop CD only needs to copy the setup. Alt Install copies, installs, and configures
[05:11] <Jucato> eilker: there is no kde-desktop
[05:11] <babob4722> thanks guys, this is swesome!!!!
[05:11] <_kuja_> Another plus of the alternate cd is a proper partition setter-upper sort of thing ..... ubiquity-kde + qtparted = awful (and will continue being so until they fix up qtparted like they're planning to)
[05:11] <babob4722> awesome even
[05:11] <babob4722> lol
[05:11] <Dr_willis> LordOliver,  depends on the package.. theres a lot of annoying issues with somne 'theme' files.. and theres like 3 different 'areas' that are themeable.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  i find the live cd runs slower.
[05:11] <Jucato> LordOliver: what kind of a theme is it?
[05:12] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I guess the fact that it need to have X up to install does make it slower
[05:12] <eilker> dr_willis: does it impoart that much i mean speed ?
[05:12] <LordOliver> jucato: this one http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=49239
[05:12] <Dr_willis> Window Decoration, Icons, 'widgets' (the stuff in the window/buttons/sliders) then an actual 'theme file' sets up those 3
[05:12] <eilker> dr_willis: does it important* that much i mean speed ?
[05:12] <Dr_willis> eilker,  on my Pent 100 system.. Yes.. :) it takes  so long for the live cd to even boot
[05:13] <maltaethiron> hey guys, im downloading something with ktorrent right now.  if i close it, will it download in the background, or does the window need to stay open?
[05:13] <eilker> dr_willis: what what ?? pent 100 ?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> but i dont mess with the pent 100 much.. its a 'emergancy' ssh machine. :)
[05:13] <Jucato> LordOliver: download the one that says K THeme Manager theme, then extract it, you will get a .kth file
[05:14] <Jucato> LordOliver: press Alt+F2 and type "kcontrol", then go to Appearance & Themes -> Theme Manager. click on Install New Theme and locate the .kth file you just extracted
[05:14] <maltaethiron> anyone have any clue?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> ktorrent can 'close/minimize' to the system tray
[05:14] <maltaethiron> ah
[05:14] <Jucato> LordOliver: er... it says that the it's recommended to use the theme with Beryl....
[05:14] <Dr_willis> i though it auto-minimized when still downloading.
[05:15] <Jucato> LordOliver: it's also recommended that you have QtCurve style installed
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Should i mention that the package manager has a lot of extra kde themes/styles that are not installed by default. :)
[05:16] <RobNyc> ok in gnome the deb package manger is gdebi how about in kubuntu
[05:16] <seven> maltaethiron: settings perfernces general show system tray icon  than it will stay there if you close the window\
[05:16] <maltaethiron> ty seven
[05:17] <Jucato> Dr_willis: styles only. not "themes" (in the KDE sense of the word)
[05:17] <Jucato> Dr_willis: actually: styles, windecos, icons
[05:17] <_kuja_> kde doesn't really have an equivilent of gdebi, yet.
[05:17] <_kuja_> (well, kubuntu anyhow)
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Yea - kde's use of 'themeage' is a bit confuseing at times. :)
[05:17] <RobNyc> _kuja_, thanks
[05:18] <LordOliver> thanks again jucato, simple as can be :)
[05:18] <Dr_willis> kde-look.org  can use a good cleaning up also. heh
[05:18] <Jucato> Dr_willis: actually, it's KDE-Look that makes it confusing
[05:18] <_kuja_> It does and it doesn't really, there's something temporary there with basic functionality ...
[05:18] <LordOliver> jucato: but, why isn't it clear do I need to restart?
[05:18] <Jucato> KDE has always meant a KDE Theme (.kth) when referring to "theme" (single word)
[05:18] <Dr_willis> I  find the way kdes control-center and things handle them to be a bit confusing. :() but i tend to kust use 'plastik' themne.
[05:18] <Jucato> LordOliver: what isn't clear? no you don't need to restart
[05:19] <LordOliver> jucato: in the screen shots everything is transparent, my isn't
[05:19] <Jucato> Dr_willis: KControl is clear. Styles are styles. They are not Theme/Styles, like what KDE-Look says
[05:20] <Jucato> LordOliver: because, like I said earlier, it's recommended to use Beryl with that theme. without it, you don't have transparencies
[05:20] <Jucato> !beryl | LordOliver
[05:20] <ubotu> LordOliver: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:20] <Dr_willis> heck kde-look has themes 'concepts' out in the theme area. :)
[05:24] <RobNyc> so since there's no gdebi for kde .. i install .deb dpkg -i *.deb ?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> thats what i always do anyway :)
[05:24] <Jucato> RobNyc: right-click -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[05:25] <Jucato> btw, gdebi will be coming to KDE/Kubuntu soon :)
[05:25] <RobNyc> ty let me try
[05:25] <sungam> Hi again
[05:25] <RobNyc> Jucato, maybe with the fiesty fawn release
[05:25] <Jucato> it's one of the plans
[05:25] <Jucato> Dr_willis: which way?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> clicking on a .deb ya download.. i cant rember the last time i downloaded a .deb that wasent allready in a repos
[05:26] <Dr_willis> perhaps cedega...
[05:26] <Jucato> Dr_willis: Kubuntu's way is a bit crude... it's just a service menu that launches xterm with the proper dpkg command :)
[05:27] <Dr_willis> Crude! thats the linux way! :)
[05:27] <Dr_willis> lol
[05:28] <sungam> Telroth_Plushie| still no luck. But at least I found a lan hoookup so I don't have to reboot between attempts :)
[05:28] <Jucato> Dr_willis: nah. the linux way is "prehistoric", not crude :P
[05:29] <eilker> people do u use vmware ?
[05:29] <Jucato> I do
[05:29] <sungam> Does anyone else have any suggestions as to what could be wrong? I compiled my own kernel (<IP_ADDRESS>) to enable queue-freeze (hdd active protection). The compilation went fine, and it boots fine, until I try to log in from KDM and the screen just goes blank and then KDM restarts.
[05:30] <eilker> jucato: your ram ?
[05:30] <Jucato> eilker: 1GB :)
[05:30] <eilker> jucato: 512 here:)
[05:30] <eilker> jucato: how many os do u have ?
[05:30] <Jucato> depends on what you're trying to run
[05:30] <Jucato> on vmware?
[05:30] <eilker> yes
[05:31] <Dr_willis> 'go away befor i replace you with a small shell script'   :)
[05:31] <Dr_willis> a ThinkGeek Teeshirt.
[05:31] <Jucato> right now, 2: FC 3 (for studying), and Kubuntu Feisty
[05:31] <eilker> !feisty
[05:31] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is pre-alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[05:32] <eilker> !fc3
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fc3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <Jucato> eilker: Fedora Core 3
[05:32] <eilker> jucato: ohh i see
[05:32] <Jucato> it comes with the Linux Bible 2005 edition I bought
[05:32] <eilker> jucato: how did you get feisty ?
[05:33] <Jucato> installed edgy and dist-upgraded
[05:33] <Dr_willis> 'one of the brave'
[05:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:33] <eilker> how many gb do u give space for every os in vmware ?
[05:34] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I'm only brave because it's on vmware :P
[05:34] <Jucato> eilker: depends. the minimum really. 3-5GB
[05:34] <Dr_willis> eilker,  depends on the os.  I just let them play with 8gb default and keep the file 'allocate as needed'
[05:35] <eilker> jucato: is vmwareplayer(free version) enough for me ?
[05:35] <eilker> just trying for other os
[05:35] <tamacracker> Is anyone else havin a problem with Kcheckgmail?
[05:35] <Jucato> eilker: only if you already have a VMWare image (lots of free ones available in the VMWare page)
[05:37] <eilker> jucato: may i ask what production of wmvare's do u have ?
[05:37] <Jucato> vmware server
[05:37] <eilker> it is free too, right ?
[05:37] <tamacracker> Where can I look up a list of programs for Kubuntu Edgy... and has pretty detailed information of each program?
[05:37] <Jucato> yes. but you have to take some extra steps to install it
[05:38] <eilker> and u dont have vmware player ? so i am gonna only install vmware server ?
[05:38] <Jucato> eilker: install what you want/need
[05:39] <_kuja_> tamacracker: should be able to see a list of things at launchpad.net
[05:40] <eilker> jucato: i couldnt understand between player and server that's why i apply to your comment
[05:40] <tamacracker> thank you kuja
[05:40] <eilker> jucato: i couldnt understand differences* between player and server that's why i apply to your comment
[05:40] <sungam> could someone please remind me where xorg.conf is located?
[05:40] <_kuja_> /etc/X11
[05:40] <eilker> etc/x11
[05:40] <Jucato> eilker: VMWare Player is just that: it runs VMWare images. it has minimal options to modify the image. VMWare Server has extra options to create and modify images
[05:41] <Jucato> but VMWare Player is in the repositories, so installing it is easier. VMware Server isn't
[05:41] <Dr_willis> sungam,  you may want to learn how to use the 'locate' command. :)
[05:41] <Jucato> or the locate:/ kioslave
[05:41] <CVirus> !zgl
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zgl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <CVirus> !xgl
[05:41] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:41] <sungam> thanks
[05:41] <sungam> Dr_willis, I'm sure I do :)
[05:41] <eilker> jucato: last question:) what do u mean by vmware image ?
[05:42] <Jucato> eilker: think of it like an ISO. it's an image of the OS that you are running in VMWare. I think VMWare officially calls them Appliances
[05:42] <Dr_willis> eilker,  check out  http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/
[05:42] <eilker> thanx friends
[05:45] <babob4722> i want to play pogo, but it says i dont have jave environment installed, can I download java for linux?
[05:45] <babob4722> i saw something somewhere that said I couldnt use java
[05:45] <babob4722> is that true?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> !java
[05:45] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:45] <Dr_willis> false to me...
[05:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <sungam> :)
[05:45] <Dr_willis> i use java under linux all the time.
[05:46] <eilker> dr_willis: so? do i need to download images from vmware web site ? will i not able to use my ubuntu cd  to install  ubuntu in vmware
[05:46] <Dr_willis> SUN just decidded to GPL java.
[05:46] <Dr_willis> eilker,  you can do it that way.. or get a vmware image and save time.
[05:46] <tamacracker> launchpad doesn't really give details of each program...
[05:46] <tamacracker> but thanks anyways kuja
[05:47] <Jucatulog> launchpad isn't really the place to look for program/package details
[05:48] <Jucato> tamacracker: you can use Adept Manager to view the package descriptions. or apt:/ (which is just a front end for apt-cache and dpkg) or in http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:49] <sungam> argh... Not getting anywhere with this problem. Got into Konsole once (starting kdm while in recovery mode). Other than that it just boots me back to KDM :(
[05:50] <Dr_willis> sungam,  X starts but crashes?
[05:51] <sungam> Dr_willis: I guess it crashes, at least I'm thrown back into KDM
[05:51] <Dr_willis> sungam,  but KDM uses X... so somthing is odd here.
[05:51] <Dr_willis> sungam,  try making a new user and see if it does the same thing for them.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> if it works for them.. that would imply that your other users .kde settings are some how messed up.
[05:52] <babob4722> once I install it do I need to reboot?
[05:52] <eilker> jucato: i found a guide for vmware server installation :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> babob4722,  Linux 101 - you rarely EVER need to reboot.
[05:53] <Dr_willis> this isent windows. :)
[05:53] <babob4722> ok cool
[05:53] <babob4722> thanks
[05:53] <sungam> Dr_willis, thanks. Would you mind hinting me at how to add a user from command line? :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> adduser
[05:53] <sungam> Dr_willis, nvm... 'adduser' :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:53] <babob4722> well it still isnt working, it keeps telling me I need java, but i installed it already
[05:53] <Dr_willis> hard to rember eh. :)
[05:54] <sungam> it is
[05:54] <Jucato> babob4722: how did you install it?
[05:54] <babob4722> sorry to be a pain in the ass
[05:54] <babob4722> through the adept manager
[05:54] <Dr_willis> babob4722,  you may need to exit/restart the browser.....
[05:54] <babob4722> hmmm oh ok thanks
[05:54] <babob4722> i will try that
[05:54] <Pie-rate> Hi everyone, I'm having a little trouble installing kubuntu
[05:55] <sungam> Dr_willis, thanks. I'll try a reboot and see what happens
[05:55] <joe_> Anyone know how to mount an ISO that is on the harddrive?
[05:55] <Pie-rate> this is on my laptop, right behind me
[05:55] <Dr_willis> !loop
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about loop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:55] <Dr_willis> !iso
[05:55] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[05:55] <Pie-rate> it's stuck on "scanning files" with the progress bar at 0%
[05:56] <Pie-rate> the menu is also unresponsive, although the cursor can still move
[05:56] <dennister> what's happening with synaptic and kde? the first keeps failing, and my kde is such a mess I'm thinking of purging and reinstalling
[05:56] <joe_> thanks ubotu, let me try that
[05:57] <eilker> and here is morning, time to sleep for me, see you friends
[05:57] <Pie-rate> The disc verified using the utility provided on it
[05:57] <dennister> bye eilker
[05:58] <eilker> bye to all
[05:58] <Pie-rate> can anyone help me?
[05:58] <dennister> iv'e never had so many failed downloads before :(
[06:00] <dennister> sorry Pie-rate...i've had so many rpblems, but installing kubuntu was never one of them
[06:00] <Pie-rate> This is strange, perhaps I should try the 32 bit version?
[06:00] <sungam> it worked :)
[06:00] <dennister> Pie-rate: defintiely!
[06:01] <sungam> although my proper user is still broken, at least I'm into kde now
[06:01] <sungam> Thanks, Dr_willis
[06:01] <dennister> i tried for months with 64-bit versions, and am glad I switched
[06:01] <sungam> and Telroth_Plushie| :)
[06:01] <Dr_willis> sungam,  heh could do some cleaning of the .kde dir...  or just whipe it out. :) that will reset all the kde settings
[06:01] <Dr_willis> sungam,  been seeing similer issues a lot lately.. not sure what the deal is.
[06:02] <sungam> Dr_willis, it's not juts KDE, though
[06:02] <Pie-rate> What sort of performance difference will running the 32 bit version instead of the 64 bit version give?
[06:02] <sungam> Dr_willis  *kde
[06:02] <Dr_willis> Pie-rate,  proberly not much. unless you do a lot of number crunching.. or got a lot of ram
[06:02] <Pie-rate> 1gb
[06:02] <sungam> Dr_willis, it's all of those window managers (Gnome, KDE, E17, Fluxbox...)
[06:02] <Dr_willis> sungam,  that  seems very very very odd.
[06:03] <sungam> Dr_willis, sounds kind of weird that all of those would get messed up by compiling a kernel
[06:03] <sungam> Dr_willis, and all work with the new user
[06:03] <Pie-rate> Ok, I'd probably have a lot more driver troubles with the 64bit version anyway.
[06:03] <dennister> Dr_willis: i'm thinking of purging my kde completely, it's such a mess...will i have to do a lot of re-configuring of apps and settingsafter I get it back?
[06:03] <_kuja_> 64-bit will only give speed ups in certain areas (like encoding, rendering, extreme number crunching ....)
[06:04] <dennister> yes, Pie-rate...and check the md5sums on iso disks, as well as data verifitcation with your buner
[06:04] <Pie-rate> Of course, that means I have to spend another day downloading
[06:05] <dennister> Pie-rate: consider it an investment: will save u lots of time and frustration with 64-bit later
[06:05] <Pie-rate> I used the verification utility that was on the boot screen for kubuntu
[06:05] <Pie-rate> I bet the torrent for the 32 bit version goes faster than the 64 bit version too...
[06:05] <dennister> as i said earlier, I wasted months struggling with 64-bit distros
[06:06] <Pie-rate> I'll grab kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent then...
[06:07] <dennister> i love edgy...i just used the server first, then added the graphical desktops
[06:07] <Dr_willis> sungam,  ive not messed with the nerel in ages. :)
[06:07] <sungam> Dr_willis, nerel?
[06:10] <MattCa> Hello. Is anyone still awake?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Its the next geenration Kernel. :)
[06:10] <sungam> Dr_willis  oh.. kernel
[06:10] <Dr_willis> ZZZzzz....
[06:10] <sungam> bah
[06:10] <sungam> :)
[06:10] <Pie-rate> [5.0.0 2006-11-28 21:07:57]  WARNING : Tracker announce still not complete 60 seconds after starting it
[06:10] <Pie-rate> [5.0.0 2006-11-28 21:07:57]  WARNING : Problem connecting to tracker (http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce): Timeout while contacting server.
[06:10] <Pie-rate> [5.0.0 2006-11-28 21:09:57]  WARNING : Problem connecting to tracker (http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce): Timeout while contacting server.
[06:10] <Pie-rate> why is this happening?
[06:11] <MattCa> what version of GCC is used to compile the Ubuntu Kernel?
[06:11] <sungam> Dr_willis, thanks for all your help so far. Going to see if everything works with the old kernel :)
[06:12] <Hawkwind> MattCa: Edgy or Dapper ?
[06:12] <Pie-rate> weird, just got disconnected
[06:12] <Hawkwind> Probably doesn't matter, probably both 4.x
[06:13] <Pie-rate> Torrent won't start, can't connect to the tracker.
[06:13] <MattCa> Hawkwind: Dapper.  No dripping allowed.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:15] <MattCa> I'll take it as a yes
[06:15] <joe_> thanks ubotu the mounting worked.  I just should have done it in an emty directory.  I deleted 3 of my movies.
[06:15] <Dr_willis> !bot
[06:15] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:16] <Dr_willis> if you mounted over a dir with files in it.. UNMOUNT it.. and the files willl  be there.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> should be at least. :)
[06:17] <dennister> is there something wrong with the ubuntu servers perhaps? Pie-rate's having trouble, i'm having trouble with synaptic...
[06:17] <Dr_willis> could be some are down...
[06:17] <Pie-rate> torrent started now
[06:17] <Pie-rate> took it forever though
[06:18] <Pie-rate> it's going nice and fast too, compared to the AMD64 iso
[06:18] <Pie-rate> about twice as fast
[06:18] <dennister> i'm installing xfce, in preparation for purging kde and starting over, and i keep getting timeouts
[06:18] <Dr_willis> its odd that you would have to 'purge' kde.
[06:18] <sungam> Dr_willis, now I can get into E-17, but KDE is still broken. :)
[06:19] <Jucato> you have to purge config files :)
[06:19] <dennister> it's such a mess...kio, kSycoca, klauncer...
[06:19] <MattCa> Hawkwind: thankds for the info
[06:19] <dennister> kded, kinit...
[06:20] <Pie-rate> still not as fast as it should be, it's going 80KB/s, should be going near 180KB/s, but the wireless bridge from the office to the house has been behaving strangely/slowly recently, so i haven't been getting full T1 speeds at the house.
[06:20] <Pie-rate>  /ramble
[06:20] <dennister> I installed kgdb, and the list of issues is very long, and I'm not that good at debugging yet
[06:20] <seven> where do i find the "task manager" adept says another instand is still running
[06:20] <Hawkwind> Who needs KDE when you have E17 anyways.  :)
[06:20] <Dr_willis> real men use icewm :)
[06:20] <dennister> what in the world is E17?
[06:20] <Hawkwind> !adept crash fix
[06:20] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:20] <Hawkwind> !e17
[06:20] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[06:21] <dennister> well i'm not a man :)
[06:21] <Pie-rate> Why join #kubuntu if you don't like KDE? isn't KDE the whole idea of kubuntu rather than ubuntu?
[06:21] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | seven
[06:21] <ubotu> seven: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:21] <seven> thanks
[06:22] <sungam> Pie-rate, I don't mind KDE. But E17 is more lightweight. As for why join #kubuntu? I installed it off a Kubuntu disk :)
[06:22] <Pie-rate> Ah.
[06:22] <sungam> and besides...   I can stand 10 minutes of KDE while E17 compiles, then it's no more KDE for me
[06:23] <Dr_willis> I tried E17... and ... well... i dident see much i needed from it. :)
[06:23] <seven> Jucato: worked
[06:23] <Jucato> Dr_willis: ditto
[06:23] <Pie-rate> The laptop I'm currently working on installing kubuntu on has ATI radeon 1100 graphics. Is there any way to get 3d acceleration/power saving features working?
[06:23] <Jucato> :)
[06:23] <Pie-rate> !ati
[06:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:23] <sungam> Dr_willis, it's the bling
[06:23] <dennister> yes Pie-rate
[06:24] <Dr_willis> bling = fling = a 'one night stand' :)
[06:24] <sungam> true, but it's fun while it lasts
[06:24] <Dr_willis> even the bling i saw wasent that bling-o-riffic (tm)
[06:24] <sungam> besides, at the moment it's proven the only window manager that will start
[06:25] <sungam> you should give it a go again with the most recent CVS
[06:25] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install icewm
[06:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:25] <sungam> they've done loads of updates with the new distro being released (the PS3 one)
[06:25] <Dr_willis> i tried it on a Live cd the other day.
[06:25] <Dr_willis> even isntalled it.
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Dont get me started on the PS3 :)
[06:25] <sungam> :)
[06:25] <Bill57785> ok
[06:25] <Bill57785> I really need help
[06:26] <sungam> Dr_willis, E17 fixed KDE. Now that's loading too... this is weird :/
[06:27] <Dr_willis> hehheh
[06:27] <Pie-rate> doesn't the PS3 have a ridiculously fast CPU in it?
[06:27] <Bill57785> I changed the gamma last night to 2.4 (which is what I used t run on Windows), and I tried booting up tonight, and the screen is scrambled
[06:27] <Dr_willis> PS3 brings  "ridiculous'    to mind..
[06:27] <sungam> Pie-rate, yes.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:27] <Pie-rate> hehe
[06:27] <Bill57785> and I don't have a clue how to change it back in command line
[06:27] <Kai> the ps3 has a cell processor
[06:28] <dennister>  Dr_willis: is that it? just icewm? anything else i should install afterwards?
[06:28] <Dr_willis> dennister,  thats about it.. rahter nice  window manager.
[06:28] <Kai> its not ridiculously fast, but its a new technology that has the potential to become rediculously fast
[06:28] <dennister> ok, well it's installing then :)
[06:29] <Dr_willis> it is ridiculously priced
[06:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:29] <Kai> Nah
[06:29] <Bill57785> anyone at all?
[06:29] <sungam> Bill57785, sorry, but I really have no idea. Maybe someone else does, but I don't :)
[06:29] <Kai> thats normal for a new next gen console
[06:30] <dennister> i must say, i'm getting more demanding and less tolerant the more successful I am with linux...started hating gnome after a while, now I'm getting ticked off with kde's problems
[06:30] <Dr_willis> Normal for a 'media-induced-hyped-feeding-frenzy-gotta-have-SOMTHING-for-xmas-hype'
[06:30] <dennister> <-----getting spoiled
[06:30] <Pie-rate> Command-line only IMO.
[06:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:30] <macconline> hi.... how  do a new sesion standard ?
[06:31] <sungam> macconline, if it's KDM it'll log into the last session you were logged into, if I remember correctly
[06:31] <dennister> god...christmas...:( "(
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Jingle Bells.....
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Jingle Bells.....
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Jingle all the way... to the bank..
[06:31] <sungam> macconline, so if you log into KDE, KDE will be the standard until you log into something else. Might be mistaken, but I think that's the way it is
[06:31] <dennister> it's going to be quiet around here...even my son doesn't want to go join the big family getogether
[06:32] <Bill57785> lol....I'm stuck in XP right now trying to find the answer to how to change my gamma back and fix everything in command line....I don't know how else to fix it because the screen is scrambled in kubuntu AND ubuntu....
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Perhaps hes asking where the menu  to select the other sessions are at?
[06:32] <macconline> sungam: is that the file ../xsession/kde.desktop
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Bill57785,  how did you change the gamma under linux?
[06:32] <macconline> sungam: i modify...
[06:32] <dennister> k, folks...i'm gonna restart x now that my other desktops are downloaded...bbs
[06:33] <Pie-rate> Bill57785, can you get a command line for kubuntu?
[06:33] <brett_> Does anyone use or know about Drupal?
[06:33] <sungam> macconline, kde.desktop is KDE's load file. If you want to load another window manager yo uhsould create a .desktop for it
[06:33] <Dr_willis> !info drupal
[06:33] <Bill57785> I can get into a command line and not even boot up kubuntu
[06:33] <ubotu> drupal: fully-featured content management/discussion engine. In component universe, is extra. Version 4.5.8-2 (edgy), package size 478 kB, installed size 1944 kB
[06:33] <Bill57785> but other than that, not really
[06:33] <brett_> thanks doctor
[06:33] <sungam> macconline, or not load file, but the menu item in the KDM menu
[06:33] <brett_> hmm
[06:34] <brett_> i just installed it and dont know how to run it. It isn't meant to be run on a server is it?
[06:34] <macconline> sungam: ok,  thanks....
[06:34] <Dr_willis> No idea. check its homepage perhaps.
[06:34] <brett_> yeah i am on it now
[06:34] <Pie-rate> It probably gets the gamma from the x11 config file, right? I'm kinda noob at linux.
[06:34] <brett_> still kinda clueless
[06:35] <Bill57785> the shell is running, I just can't see what's going on (so in other words, if I knew my way around correctly, I could change settings blindly using only my keyboard)
[06:35] <Bill57785> I changed it under the settings in the programs menu, then under display properties
[06:35] <brett_> is there a web developers forum?
[06:35] <Bill57785> and one of the tabs had gamma options
[06:35] <Dr_willis> i dont see how the gamma setting would mess things up Bill57785
[06:36] <Bill57785> well, it's the only thing I can think of....it was the only thing I changed last night, and now it doesn't work
[06:36] <Bill57785> is there anyway to just reset everything to defaults from command line?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> could of been some other update/kernel upgrade perhaps.. theres no 'defaults'  type thing,. :)
[06:37] <Dr_willis> you could boot to single user mode, and reconfigure the X server
[06:37] <tamacracker> can someone help me change my screen resolution?
[06:37] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[06:37] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:38] <Pie-rate> you might try reseting the graphics configuration by replacing the xf86config file with whatever the backup one is called, I'm not an expert on linux so someone else will have to fill in the blanks...
[06:38] <Dr_willis> - its xorg.conf now a days :)
[06:38] <Pie-rate> oh
[06:38] <Pie-rate> i must be getting old
[06:38] <sungam> :)
[06:38] <tamacracker> i just need to change the resolution back to 1280x1024
[06:38] <Pie-rate> 17 you know, starting to forget all these computery things...
[06:40] <tamacracker> And system settings doesn't let me :(
[06:41] <sungam> go to the guide mentioned above :)
[06:42] <Pie-rate> go to the guide mentioned below
[06:42] <Pie-rate> !fixres
[06:42] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:42] <Dr_willis> go to the guide mentioned to the right.... to the left....
[06:42] <Dr_willis> to the middle.. :)
[06:42] <Pie-rate> "Konversation terminated!" that's a good one
[06:43] <Dr_willis> 'answer hazy, ask again later'
[06:43] <Pie-rate> what's with KDE's obsession with K's anyway?
[06:43] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: because it's the K Desktop Environment :p
[06:43] <Dr_willis> Kde is Kool
[06:43] <Jucato> same goes for GNOME  anyway
[06:44] <seven> i got a problem
[06:44] <Pie-rate> Jucato, Not really.
[06:44] <seven> NOTICE TO CUSTOMER This EULA is a contract between you (either an
[06:44] <seven>                   individual or an entity) and VMware, Inc. ("VMware"), which governs your
[06:44] <seven>
[06:44] <seven>                                                    <Ok>
[06:44] <sungam> I like it. Leaves no confusion :)
[06:44] <sungam> not the EULA, but the obsession with K's and G's
[06:44] <seven> but i can't press ok in adept
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Seveas,  hit tab/click in the sindow perhaps?
[06:45] <binary2k2> seven: ^^ that's to you
[06:45] <seven> no tab dosen't work
[06:45] <Jucato> seven: you can't use Adept to install vmware player
[06:45] <seven> ?
[06:45] <Jucato> seven: close adept, run the "sudo dpkg --configure -a" command in Konsole
[06:45] <Jucato> missing feature in Adept
[06:46] <binary2k2> one of many imho
[06:46] <Dr_willis> i always just use the shell.. :)
[06:46] <tamacracker> that site is not helpin
[06:46] <seven> well at the moment i have the prob that it will come back every restart that vmw is upgradable
[06:46] <tamacracker> right im at 600x800, i just need to change it back to my original settings.
[06:46] <[Amigo] > Hi! Ppl, I install Kubuntu, it's a nice system! Cool :)
[06:47] <binary2k2> seven: once you agree, it won't come back
[06:47] <macconline> sungam: thanks, the problem are that the line Exec=/usr/bin/startkde dont the have.... problem fixer
[06:47] <tamacracker> Amigo welcome to one of the most difficult versions of linux.
[06:47] <Jucato> seven: what do you mean?
[06:47] <Jucato> tamacracker: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ??
[06:48] <binary2k2> tamacracker: it's not, try slack, that's difficult
[06:48] <[Amigo] > tamacracker, thank you! I'm happy :)
[06:48] <sungam> wlan disconnected :(
[06:48] <tamacracker> Jucato... what will that exactly do?
[06:48] <Bill57785> Jucato: What exactly does that line do?
[06:48] <Bill57785> lol
[06:49] <Jucato> tamacracker: reconfigure the X server. part of the process allows you to chose your resolutions
[06:49] <Bill57785> I just wonder if it might help me as well
[06:49] <tamacracker> ah good good
[06:49] <Bill57785> I'll give it a try if these other things don't work
[06:49] <seven> binary2k2: i would agree if i could
[06:49] <Dr_willis> tamacracker,  just becuse you are having issues... dont be so  bitter.
[06:49] <seven> Jucato: i can't even uninstall
[06:50] <Jucato> seven: I thought you were trying to install?
[06:50] <tamacracker> kubuntu just logged onto a crappy resolution
[06:50] <binary2k2> seven: run that command in konsole and you can install (and agree to the EULA)
[06:50] <tamacracker> and the system settings will not let me control my own damn resolutions
[06:50] <tamacracker> i think at the operator of this machine, my system settings should let me access and configure anything i'd like for my personal flavor.
[06:51] <binary2k2> tamacracker: that's because it not set to go any higher in xorg.conf, that's why you reconfigure the x server to change that
[06:51] <tamacracker> and at the moment this is where kubuntu is slacking.
[06:51] <Bill57785> ok, here goes nothing...can't make it any worse...thanks all
[06:52] <Jucato> tamacracker: I forgot, restart X after you finished reconfiguring. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (be sure to save everything you need first)
[06:53] <tamacracker> Ugh... Gnome is too user friendly and made me lazy.
[06:54] <Jucato> can anyone adjust their resolutions (to a lower setting) using Monitors & Display in System Settings?
[06:55] <binary2k2> Jucato: yeah
[06:55] <Jucato> hm... strange...
[06:55] <Jucato> I can't :P
[06:56] <Jucato> I only realized this now hahaha
[06:56] <binary2k2> you on edgy or dapper?
[06:56] <sungam> Jucato, me either :)
[06:56] <momal> Anyone know of a good program like devede but with menu support? (Eg what Nero Vision did on windows)
[06:56] <Jucato> edgy
[06:56] <sungam> same
[06:56] <binary2k2> hmm, me too
[06:56] <Jucato> I vaguely remember being able to do so on dapper...
[06:56] <brett_> is there any file browsers that are better then konqueror
[06:57] <Jucato> depends on your definition of "better", which is very subjective
[06:57] <sungam> Jucato, bet someone inverted some variable. So that the resolution in xorg.conf is the smallest instead of the largest :)
[06:57] <binary2k2> brett_: depends on what you need it for i guess, but konqueror rocks :p
[06:58] <brett_> binary2k2: it has been crashing on me
[06:58] <sungam> brett_: I'm a fan of swiftfox :)
[06:58] <binary2k2> sungam: as a file browser?
[06:58] <Jucato> brett_: do you mean Konqueror crashes when managing files or when browsing web pages?
[06:58] <sungam> binary2k2 , sorry... thought you meant web browser
[06:59] <binary2k2> :p
[06:59] <Jucato> :P
[06:59] <brett_> browsing webpages lately... but also when browsing files
[06:59] <Jucato> Firefox is a popular option
[06:59] <brett_> yeah i have firefox... but konquer auto loads when i click on a link from irc
[06:59] <sungam> brett_ , sorry... getting tired... been up all night, not studying :(
[06:59] <brett_> so i use konquer when i get a link from here
[07:00] <sungam> brett_ , think that's a known bug in Edgy
[07:00] <binary2k2> brett_: you can change that
[07:00] <brett_> really?
[07:00] <Jucato> what's a known bug?
[07:00] <brett_> how?
[07:00] <Jucato> brett_: System Settings -> Default Applications
[07:00] <sungam> that it it doesn't remember that Konqueror's not your default browser
[07:00] <binary2k2> brett_: in Konversation?
[07:01] <brett_> binary2k2: huh?
[07:01] <Jucato> sungam: it does. the only problem is that non-KDE apps do not honor KDE's settings
[07:01] <Jucato> brett_: have you even change the default browser already?
[07:01] <binary2k2> brett_: the IRC client
[07:01] <brett_> Jucato: yes i just did
[07:01] <brett_> binary2k2: what about the irc client?
[07:02] <brett_> Jucato: thanks for the settings fix
[07:02] <binary2k2> brett_: which one are you using, konversation?
[07:02] <Jucato> brett_: it works now?
[07:02] <bill57785> sweet, got rid of the scrambled screen (had to replace the existing config with the backup)....thanks everyone ^_^
[07:02] <brett_> binary2k2: yes konversation
[07:02] <Jucato> brett_: take note that non-KDE apps might not follow this setting
[07:02] <brett_> Jucato: yes it loads firefox now
[07:02] <Jucato> good
[07:02] <binary2k2> brett_: go to Settings, then "Configure Konversation"
[07:03] <brett_> binary2k2: what am i doing in there?
[07:03] <Jucato> binary2k2: it's done already
[07:03] <sungam> Jucato , I'm gonna shut up before I make a fool of myself, but I'm pretty sure I saw it on a "knownIssues" page of a wiki :)
[07:03] <Jucato> binary2k2: <brett_> Jucato: yes it loads firefox now
[07:03] <binary2k2> brett_: then click on the "General" tab under "Behaviour"
[07:03] <brett_> heh
[07:03] <brett_> thanks guys
[07:03] <brett_> brb
[07:04] <Jucato> sungam: it's a known issue for non-KDE apps, like I said. which is only logical since you're only changing the default KDE browser only, not GNOME's/GTK's, etc.
[07:04] <Jucato> at that point, the solution is to use this command: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[07:05] <sungam> :)
[07:06] <binary2k2> I did both, but konversition ignored both settings
[07:06] <binary2k2> strange
[07:06] <tamacracker> nvm i used a game to change the resolution.
[07:06] <tamacracker> thanks.
[07:13] <dennister> checked out icewm, now in xfce for second time...crashing all over the place, the second i log in :(
[07:13] <seven> thanks binary2k2 and Jucato worked now where do i get the *.vmx files
[07:14] <Jucato> vmware.com
[07:14] <seven> i thought so
[07:14] <dennister> of course, latest crash was knotify...sig 11
[07:14] <binary2k2> seven: If you want to create you own, use http://www.easyvmx.com/
[07:15] <Jucato> seven: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/
[07:15] <seven> thanks for your help
[07:15] <Jucato> hm.. easyvmx... interesting
[07:16] <binary2k2> yeah, found it when vmware server stoped workin on edgy :p
[07:16] <dennister> why in the world is knotify bugging me with it's crashes if i'm not in kde?
[07:16] <dennister> is it because I'm using some kapps?
[07:17] <Jucato> binary2k2: server is still working for me here... although I can't go to any tty in VMWare
[07:18] <binary2k2> Jucato: I haven't tryed to install it an a while, the kernel module wouldn't compile, so I used vmware player and easyvmx to create the .vmx files
[07:18] <Jucato> binary2k2: and what do you use to modify the .vmx files?
[07:18] <dennister> i don't understand at all how these different desktops and apps work...wondering if I shouldn't start from scratch again...but I've put so much work into this installation
[07:18] <Jucato> you do it by hand?
[07:19] <binary2k2> Jucato: yeah, kate notmaly
[07:19] <Jucato> binary2k2: and vmware tools?
[07:19] <magnusda> what's the easiest way to purge all my kde settings for a user? remove .kde/ from the home directory?
[07:20] <binary2k2> Jucato: I have the ISOs from the vmware server install package
[07:20] <Jucato> anyway.. time for bed... bye! :)
[07:20] <Jucato> aaah
[07:20] <dennister> night jucato
[07:20] <binary2k2> Jucato: so i just use them
[07:20] <Jucato> smart move :)
[07:20] <Jucato> anyway.. bye! :)
[07:22] <dennister> i think it's time for sleep myself...i'll wait until my tuner comes back from hophog and see how the situation is then
[07:22] <magnusda> it's kinda strange. The only two window managers that will load are Fluxbox and E17. Gnome, KDE and Metacity refuse to load :)
[07:22] <dennister> good night all
[07:22] <magnusda> dennister  g'nite
[07:26] <RawSushi> man..I'm running the game nexuiz
[07:26] <RawSushi> and it's laggy
[07:26] <RawSushi> I wonder how to fix it
[07:27] <RawSushi> it plays nice and everything when it's not skipping
[07:32] <Admiral_Chicago> magnusda: X error?
[07:42] <Pie-rate> is it unethical to download all of futurama from thepiratebay.org?
[07:45] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: depends if you get caught :P
[07:45] <seven> i got one more problems   every once in a while my screen size changes to very big icons   sometimes it helps to restartx    nothing changed in kcontrol  or /etc/X11/xorg.conf    i might have the wrong driver
[07:45] <Pie-rate> does it cost the creators of futurama anything?
[07:46] <seven> graphic card  nv   driver nv  in kcontrol
[07:47] <Pie-rate> might want to get the official nvidia drivers
[07:48] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: only if you were gonna buy it, then it costs them
[07:48] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: but it's still illegal
[07:48] <seven> this one was autodetected
[07:48] <seven> how do i know which one i need
[07:48] <Pie-rate> except it's still perfectly legal to record it from the TV
[07:49] <marvelous> hi
[07:49] <binary2k2> !nvidia > seven
[07:49] <noiesmo> I don't think so Pie-rate if you check you will find that public opinion is it's ok but the law says no
[07:49] <marvelous> can anybody help me_ I-ve troubles getting beryl to work
[07:50] <binary2k2> marvelous: what trouble?
[07:50] <Pie-rate> except millions of people have TiVO, and if TiVO did anything illegal then it would be sued into oblivion, being the large public company that it is
[07:51] <marvelous> when I run it, all the windows crash and everything stops working so I need to mannually restart the pc
[07:51] <binary2k2> marvelous: how/from where did you install it
[07:51] <Pie-rate> i was about to type more but i wont start a discussion on the ethical and legal implications of downloading and/or recording tv shows
[07:52] <Pie-rate> here
[07:52] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: do that in #amievil :P
[07:52] <marvelous> from the Konsole I did apt-get
[07:52] <Pie-rate> 1 person in room
[07:53] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: i just made it up, didn't think it was real :p
[07:53] <Pie-rate> the 1 person was me
[07:53] <binary2k2> marvelous: did you follow the guide on the ubuntu help/wiki site?
[07:53] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: that's why then
[07:54] <marvelous> yep
[07:54] <binary2k2> marvelous: what video card do you have?
[07:54] <marvelous> i-ve been trying with lots of them but always geetin troubles
[07:55] <binary2k2> marvelous: is it with XGL or AIGLX?
[07:55] <marvelous> ati a9250 gamer edition
[07:56] <marvelous> aiglx
[07:57] <binary2k2> marvelous: I think the ATI cards need to use XGL, with the binary drivers
[07:59] <marvelous> and where can i get them? or is there a lace with a full beryl instalation guide for this one??
[07:59] <kai> hello every one, I have question as tohow I can totally get rid og gnome desktop
[07:59] <binary2k2> !ati | marvelous
[07:59] <ubotu> marvelous: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:00] <binary2k2> marvelous: and follow the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[08:01] <binary2k2> kai: are you on edgy ot dapper?
[08:01] <marvelous> thks a lot
[08:01] <binary2k2> marvelous: no problem :)
[08:01] <kai> 6.06
[08:01] <marvelous> i'll check them right away
[08:01] <kai> I think iots Edgy
[08:01] <binary2k2> kai: 6.06 is dapper
[08:01] <kai> I had Suse 10.1
[08:02] <binary2k2> kai: there is no easy way to get rid of the gnome desktop, that i know of
[08:02] <kai> so ubuntu is new to new to me and I dread the gnome and want nothing to do with it  and want to get rid of anything dealing with it
[08:02] <kai> really? Where would I start to get .mpeg and mp3 support?
[08:03] <wildchild> khm, wine can't load application
[08:03] <binary2k2> !mp3 | kai
[08:03] <ubotu> kai: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:03] <magnusda> binary2k2, would't removing 'ubuntu-desktop' package do it?
[08:04] <binary2k2> magnusda: 'ubuntu-desktop' is just a metapackage and removeing it will do nothing
[08:04] <wildchild> why can't start application wine: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34708/
[08:04] <kai> really, I think I tried something like that and it didnt do anything, I figure I could save some space cus I will never use the gnome again
[08:04] <magnusda> binary2k2 , ah. Thought it uninstalled the same packages as it installed :)
[08:05] <binary2k2> magnusda: no, on edgy they intorduced the "apt-get autoremove" which will let you do it, but it's not on dapper
[08:05] <kai> but can't I upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10?
[08:06] <magnusda> binary2k2 , ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying
[08:06] <binary2k2> wildchild: have you tried in #wine ?
[08:06] <wildchild> no..
[08:06] <binary2k2> kai: if you can, you could save your files to a CD/DVD/USB stick and install kubuntu
[08:07] <wildchild> there is only 2 nicks
[08:07] <wildchild> me and someone else..
[08:07] <wildchild> so..
[08:07] <kai> That sux, I got the Ubuntu dvds from their website
[08:08] <kai> ..and all I got was the ubuntu ones
[08:09] <binary2k2> wildchild: try #wineHQ
[08:09] <noiesmo> wildchild, you are trying to run a key generator its hardly an app
[08:09] <binary2k2> kai: there is a Kubuntu DVD too
[08:10] <kai> I didn't know that
[08:11] <binary2k2> kai: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/release.1/
[08:11] <wildchild> hello noiesmo, but it is app, it's exe
[08:11] <kai> thank you
[08:12] <ironfroggy> are there any packages for Stackless?
[08:12] <binary2k2> your welcome :)
[08:12] <binary2k2> ironfroggy: what's Stackless?
[08:13] <ironfroggy> a branch of python that doesnt use the C-stack for calls.
[08:14] <binary2k2> than i don't know then, check on http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:20] <magnusda> brb
[08:25] <londo4> How can I login Msn via kopete?\
[08:26] <binary2k2> londo4: select MSN as the protocol to use
[08:26] <wildchild> !picasa
[08:26] <ubotu> Picasa from Google can be downloaded in .deb format from: http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html
[08:27] <RawSushi> question...When I plug in my mic, the amplifier is on
[08:28] <RawSushi> How do I turn it off?
[08:28] <kraut> moin
[08:28] <RawSushi> kmix doesn't seem to get rid of it
[08:29] <binary2k2> RawSushi: did you turn the "Mic Boost (+20dB)" off?
[08:29] <RawSushi> yeah it's off
[08:29] <RawSushi> it was already off
[08:30] <binary2k2> RawSushi: then it may be a hardware thing then
[08:30] <RawSushi> hmm
[08:30] <RawSushi> man there's several things about my box that needs fixing
[08:31] <RawSushi> I have windows and linux both set up on different hard drives
[08:31] <binary2k2> like on my kubuntu box, the mic is loud, on another win box, you can't hear a thing
[08:31] <RawSushi> and when I boot into linux, my clock is messed up, but my windows one is fine
[08:31] <RawSushi> then I fix the one in linux
[08:31] <RawSushi> and my windows one messes up
[08:32] <RawSushi> right now it says 7:31
[08:32] <RawSushi> and it's more like 1:31
[08:32] <RawSushi> am
[08:32] <binary2k2> did you set the timezone right, 7:31 is the UTC time
[08:32] <jason> have you readjusted the clock and made sure you are set to the correct time zone?
[08:34] <RawSushi> I've tried everything I think
[08:34] <RawSushi> Do I do this in KDE?
[08:35] <jason> yes right click on the clock and go to configure
[08:35] <jason> there will be a tab for timezones
[08:36] <binary2k2> in "Adjust Date & Time..."
[08:37] <kai> I found a way to totally get rid of gnome
[08:37] <kai> ..if any one cares
[08:38] <binary2k2> kai: do tell ... :)
[08:38] <labkom> \server plasa
[08:38] <kai> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekdedapper
[08:38] <kai> the very first code set
[08:39] <kai> cut copy and past :)
[08:39] <kai> well it works
[08:40] <binary2k2> forgot about aptitude
[08:40] <londo4> I try to connect msn, but I get this Warning:  If you have a router/firevell. please check thaaaat yyu
[08:40] <binary2k2> londo4: do you have a firewall or router?
[08:41] <londo4> that you  have port 26375 udp open. Decentrallised tracking require this
[08:41] <londo4> no I have switch
[08:41] <londo4> I have cisco 1900 switcher
[08:42] <londo4> yesterday was working good
[08:44] <binary2k2> londo4: that do any port forwarding?
[08:44] <londo4> yes
[08:45] <binary2k2> londo4: is it setup to forward that port to your computer? (26375)
[08:47] <londo4> yes
[08:47] <RawSushi> man
[08:47] <RawSushi> my box crashed again
[08:47] <RawSushi> that's the second time
[08:47] <RawSushi> now I wonder what's causing that
[08:47] <RawSushi> it hard froze twice
[08:48] <binary2k2> londo4: if it won't work then. it may be a network issue. either with MSN or your ISP
[08:48] <londo4> Ok
[08:49] <RawSushi> so I fixed my clock
[08:49] <RawSushi> now to get rid of the hard crashed
[08:49] <RawSushi> crashes
[08:49] <RawSushi> I just got a new video card..wonder if it has anything to do with that
[08:49] <binary2k2> londo4: try and get your friends on to another network, MSN is flakey (and owned by the evil one :P )
[08:50] <binary2k2> RawSushi: if the crashes started when you installed the card, then thats a safe bet
[08:50] <kruemeltee> :-)
[08:51] <londo4> I  have another computer connected on the same switch but msn is werking
[08:51] <londo4> working good
[08:51] <binary2k2> londo4: do you have a local firewall then?
[08:51] <RawSushi> it's a better card and all
[08:51] <RawSushi> my older one was an nvidia and this one is an nvidia
[08:51] <londo4> kruemeltee: good morning
[08:52] <RawSushi> I had my nvidia driver installed already from the old one
[08:52] <londo4> binary2k2: No
[08:52] <RawSushi> and I got this one
[08:52] <binary2k2> RawSushi: what driver, open or binary?
[08:52] <RawSushi> and all I did was edited xorg.conf
[08:52] <RawSushi> and changed nv to nvidia
[08:52] <RawSushi> hm
[08:52] <RawSushi> oh..binary
[08:52] <londo4> binary2k2: I did not  install a firewall on this system
[08:52] <binary2k2> it may be the nvidia driver not playing nice with the kernel
[08:53] <RawSushi> but anyway
[08:53] <RawSushi> man I want to fix me up a nice desktop :/
[08:53] <binary2k2> londo4: then I'm flummoxed, try connecting with gaim
[08:53] <RawSushi> I want to get creative here
[08:53] <londo4> ok
[08:53] <RawSushi> I want to fix it where everything I need is there quick
[08:53] <RawSushi> and I want it high tech looking :P
[08:54] <RawSushi> can't decide what to use though
[08:54] <Pie-rate> will 64 bit ever be widely adopted?
[08:55] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: eventually, but most apps are 32bit, so untill they are ported and more are written for 64bit, 32bit will be most used
[08:56] <binary2k2> RawSushi: beryl is cool and high-tech looking :P
[08:56] <RawSushi> not only that but I want it to be easy to get around on
[08:57] <RawSushi> when I'm on LSD
[08:57] <RawSushi> I get on my computer
[08:57] <RawSushi> and I have trouble figuring things out sometimes
[08:57] <RawSushi> whether in windows or linux
[08:57] <binary2k2> then don't do LSD :P
[08:57] <RawSushi> and I want to get around this when I'm tripping
[08:57] <RawSushi> my mind is just going too much
[08:57] <cox377> when something is loading under ubuntu the image icon bounces up and down, is there anyway to turn that into a timer or something similar to the rotating wheel like under ubuntu?
[08:58] <RawSushi> for me to figure some things out
[08:58] <RawSushi> my mind wanders on LSD
[08:58] <RawSushi> I certainly won't stop doing L
[08:58] <RawSushi> but anyway..enough about LSD
[08:58] <RawSushi> beryl..
[08:58] <binary2k2> cox377: change the curser theme
[08:58] <cox377> kk
[08:58] <cox377> binary2k2: is that under settings?
[08:58] <Pie-rate> god i hate that fucking bouncing icon
[08:58] <binary2k2> yeah, Look and Feel i think
[08:59] <RawSushi> ...
[08:59] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: why don't youturn it off?
[08:59] <RawSushi> apparently beryl isn't a windowmanager
[08:59] <Pie-rate> i intend to as soon as i can get kubuntu installed
[08:59] <binary2k2> RawSushi: huh?
[08:59] <RawSushi> oh!
[08:59] <RawSushi> beryl is nice
[09:00] <RawSushi> I wouldn't say high tech looking
[09:00] <RawSushi> but nice
[09:00] <RawSushi> I want it
[09:00] <binary2k2> it's high-tech looking when you get the 3D rotating desktop cube :p
[09:01] <RawSushi> I take it it's not free
[09:01] <RawSushi> and obsolete?
[09:01] <binary2k2> berly, no
[09:01] <binary2k2> free and recent
[09:02] <RawSushi> beryl or berly?
[09:02] <binary2k2> beryl
[09:02] <RawSushi> ah
[09:02] <binary2k2> don't take any notice of my typeos
[09:03] <binary2k2> :P
[09:03] <RawSushi> so..
[09:03] <RawSushi> I want it..
[09:03] <RawSushi> man I hadn't used linux in a while
[09:03] <RawSushi> I lost my touch
[09:03] <binary2k2> !beryl | RawSushi
[09:03] <ubotu> RawSushi: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[09:04] <RawSushi> hm
[09:05] <RawSushi> how can I tell if I have Dapper?
[09:05] <RawSushi> man..I feel like a complete n00b
[09:05] <binary2k2> RawSushi: cat /etc/lsb-release
[09:05] <binary2k2> ok, now i'm away :P
[09:06] <RawSushi> thanks
[09:09] <londo4> binary2k2: Its working with gaim
[09:12] <binary2k2> londo4: it's a problem with kopete then
[09:12] <binary2k2> londo4: file a bug report
[09:12] <Kream> hi all
[09:12] <binary2k2> !bugs | londo4
[09:12] <ubotu> londo4: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:19] <naught101> ever time I start konversation from kubuntu, I get this error: "No addressbook IDs given" - any idea why, or how I fix it?
[09:19] <londo4> How can I solve this problem: GPG error: http://packages.freecontrib.org dapper Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F120156012B83718
[09:20] <Vladdy> adding the gpg key for that place to your repository
[09:20] <binary2k2> londo4: in konsole run "gpg --recv-keys F120156012B83718"
[09:21] <binary2k2> londo4: then "gpg --export -a 12B83718|sudo apt-key add -"
[09:21] <binary2k2> londo4: notice the '-' at the end is important
[09:23] <londo4> binary2k2: With the last comand I get this: gpg: WARNING: nothing exported, gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found
[09:23] <mr_interweb> Does anyone know of a list of package source mirrors for  apt
[09:24] <binary2k2> londo4: did you run the 1st command?
[09:24] <m0ns00n> Except for phpmyadmin and mysql (the shell command!), is there any _good_ mysql editors like old msqlcc using qt or sqlyog (using wine)?
[09:24] <londo4> yes, did it again now is good
[09:25] <m0ns00n> londo4: that's a britney song =)
[09:25] <mr_interweb> m0ns00n, check out the mysql site.  they have some free GUIs
[09:25] <m0ns00n> mr_interweb: the gtk ones aren't really up to it
[09:25] <m0ns00n> mr_interweb: I'm thinking of the scale of old mysqlcc and sqlyog
[09:26] <londo4> binary2k2: but the problem is still
[09:26] <m0ns00n> mr_interweb: I'm pretty knowing about the various clients, but perhaps I've overlooked something
[09:26] <londo4> it did not solve the problem
[09:26] <binary2k2> londo4: when you ran the 2nd command, did it say "OK" after?
[09:26] <mr_interweb> I usually use Navicat
[09:27] <mr_interweb> but that one is anything but free
[09:28] <mr_interweb> m0ns00n: I don't know of any decent opensource mysql editors
[09:28] <m0ns00n> mr_interweb: :-/ then I'm in the know at least. Old mysqlcc was a step in the right direction but mysql.com killed it
[09:39] <Pie-rate> ok the kubuntu installer crashed, this time it was the 32 bit version and it gave an error report
[09:40] <Pie-rate> could it be a bad hard drive maybe? because the whole reason i'm installing kubuntu is windows was corrupted
[09:40] <cpk1> explain this to me: fstab says /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0 but trying to mount it i get mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist
[09:41] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: what's the output of: sudo fdisk -l
[09:41] <Pie-rate> mmm, hold on
[09:41] <Pie-rate> the kubuntu live cd crashed completely
[09:42] <Pie-rate> menu/task bar thing disappeared and then the whole thing went unresponsive
[09:42] <Pie-rate> starting it again
[09:42] <binary2k2> use pastebin to show the output
[09:42] <binary2k2> !pastebin | Pie-rate
[09:42] <ubotu> Pie-rate: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:43] <mr_interweb> Anyone know where a good list of package mirrors are to add to Adept?
[09:44] <binary2k2> mr_interweb: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ has a big list the packages download pages: http://tinyurl.com/y836vn
[09:45] <Pie-rate> buffer i/o error on device hdb
[09:45] <Pie-rate> ,logical block 307322
[09:45] <Pie-rate> i'm thinking hdb is the dvd drive, and hda is the hard drive?
[09:46] <mr_interweb> binary2k2: Thanks for the tip
[09:46] <livingdaylight> i've never seen a more thorough test print  - it wants to KOMPLETELY drain me of my color cartridges
[09:46] <Pie-rate> can someone tell me if the above message is correct so i can stop panicing about my harddrive being screwed over?
[09:47] <Pie-rate> binary2k2: (00:44:56) Pie-rate: buffer i/o error on device hdb
[09:47] <Pie-rate> (00:45:10) Pie-rate: ,logical block 307322
[09:47] <Pie-rate> (00:45:29) Pie-rate: i'm thinking hdb is the dvd drive, and hda is the hard drive?
[09:49] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: hda is the primary master drive, hdb is the primary slave, hdc is the secondaty master ..etc
[09:49] <Pie-rate> this is a laptop
[09:49] <Pie-rate> there is only 1
[09:49] <Pie-rate> in terms of hard drives
[09:49] <Pie-rate> but i suppose the primary slave could be the dvd drive
[09:49] <binary2k2> not just hard drives, CD/DVD drives count too
[09:50] <Pie-rate> yeah
[09:50] <livingdaylight> is there an easy photo printing facility in Kubuntu (KDE) In Gnome they have something called Gnome-photo-printer which simply lets one eaily access , size and print photos without having to open Gimp or something big and complicated
[09:50] <Pie-rate> ok so i suppose its the disc?
[09:50] <Pie-rate> or the disc drive possibly
[09:50] <Pie-rate> god this is such a pain in the ass
[09:50] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: what dose /etc/cdrom symlink point to, that's normally the cd/dvd drive
[09:51] <binary2k2> damn
[09:51] <Pie-rate> why don't the cheap ass cd-rs my parents buy ever work?
[09:51] <Pie-rate> its still loading again
[09:51] <Pie-rate> it might have a read error again too
[09:51] <binary2k2> its /dev/cdrom
[09:51] <Pie-rate> so i don't know
[09:52] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: how old is the laptop?
[09:52] <Pie-rate> Buffer I/O error on device HDB
[09:52] <Pie-rate> 2 weeks
[09:52] <Pie-rate> ACER 5100 series
[09:53] <binary2k2> laptops normaly will have hda as the hard drive and hdc as the cd/dvd drive
[09:53] <binary2k2> don't know what hdb is
[09:54] <guglielf> hi, i'm using konversation, does anyone know how to filter part/join messages in the chan window?
[09:54] <Pie-rate> i'm pretty sure it's the cd drive
[09:55] <binary2k2> guglielf: it's in the settings
[09:55] <malician> hiya all, i'm trying to install kubuntu and it keeps crashing at the same point every time
[09:55] <livingdaylight>  is there an easy photo printing facility in Kubuntu (KDE) In Gnome they have something called Gnome-photo-printer which simply lets one eaily access , size and print photos without having to open Gimp or something big and complicated
[09:55] <malician> it copies all the files, and then it crashes @ 67% - which is creating users
[09:55] <guglielf> binary2k2: k, tnx go diggin there
[09:55] <Pie-rate> ok i have an unlabeled ubuntu disc here, how do i know what version it is from windows?
[09:56] <livingdaylight> AND can someone tell me why i have xine movie player twice in my menu?
[09:56] <binary2k2> guglielf: settings > behaviour -> chat window
[09:57] <malician> I have no idea what to do
[09:57] <malician> or how to get the install to work
[09:57] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: thare's a file on the root of the diak that tells you
[09:58] <Pie-rate> Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper Drake"
[09:58] <Pie-rate> yeah found it
[09:58] <guglielf> binary2k2: found! tnk you mate
[09:58] <binary2k2> guglielf: no problem
[09:59] <livingdaylight> and is there xane in kubuntu or do i have to install it?
[10:00] <Pie-rate> well at this point i'm just hoping its the disc and not the cpu, ram, or hdd
[10:00] <Pie-rate> or disc drive
[10:00] <livingdaylight> Pie-rate: who are you?
[10:00] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: did you run a md5sum check on the disk?
[10:00] <livingdaylight> Pie-rate: are you just flooding the chat room or what?
[10:01] <binary2k2> livingdaylight: why'd you think that?
[10:01] <Pie-rate> livingdaylight: not intentionally
[10:01] <livingdaylight> Pie-rate: i can't get a word in edgways and i've never come to #kubuntu and not got any help - is it due to you mouthing off so much?
[10:02] <binary2k2> livingdaylight: if you don't get a reply, then no one knows here
[10:02] <livingdaylight> binary2k2: where are all the regular gurus who know everything?
[10:02] <nino> !upgrade
[10:02] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:02] <Pie-rate> binary2k2: no, i did not.
[10:03] <livingdaylight> Pie-rate: don't you have some homework to do?
[10:03] <Pie-rate> livingdaylight: don't you have somewhere else to go and be an attention whore?
[10:03] <livingdaylight> ooooohh! :o
[10:03] <binary2k2> !patience | livingdaylight
[10:03] <ubotu> livingdaylight: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:04] <livingdaylight> @lark | binary2k2
[10:04] <binary2k2> that won't work in here
[10:04] <livingdaylight> hehe
[10:04] <malician> mreh.  being that the last two attempted installs crashed while it was creating users
[10:05] <malician> I'm trying this install with different username
[10:05] <malician> and hoping that changes things
[10:05] <malician> does anybody know of some bug that causes the 6.10 install cd to crash when it's in the creating users part of the installation process?
[10:05] <malician> and/or how I could bypass it?
[10:06] <livingdaylight> malician: skip it
[10:06] <malician> huh?
[10:06] <binary2k2> malician: I don't know of any bug like that, but check http://bugs.ubuntu.com/
[10:06] <livingdaylight> malician: are you creating multi users?
[10:06] <malician> Nope
[10:06] <livingdaylight> just you?
[10:06] <malician> i'm just filling out the form in the install process
[10:07] <livingdaylight> geez
[10:07] <malician> username, name, password, etc
[10:07] <livingdaylight> have you checked the cd?
[10:07] <binary2k2> the install only sets up one user
[10:07] <livingdaylight> binary2k2: true, forgot
[10:07] <livingdaylight> malician: have you checked the cd for defects?
[10:07] <malician> No - I guess I should do that if this install fails
[10:07] <malician> how long does that usually take?
[10:08] <livingdaylight> 2,3,4 minutes
[10:08] <malician> oh, wow.  i thought it was like 40
[10:08] <livingdaylight> malician: its the first thing you do, otherwise you could waste time
[10:08] <binary2k2> depends on drive speed and cpu power tho
[10:08] <livingdaylight> malician: reboot your cd and click on check cd for defects or whatever it says
[10:09] <livingdaylight> binary2k2, is again right, the quoted time is how long it takes here  on a P4, 3ghz with 512ram
[10:09] <malician> willdo if this install fails
[10:10] <[Amigo] > What doing Katapult?
[10:11] <binary2k2> [Amigo] : huh?
[10:11] <malician> yeah, it crashed again thsi time - rebooting to check cd for errors
[10:11] <[Amigo] > What role in KDE?
[10:12] <[Amigo] > binary2k2, if I remove it aplication?
[10:12] <binary2k2> [Amigo] : if you remove it, KDE will be fine
[10:13] <[Amigo] > binary2k2, seriosly?
[10:13] <binary2k2> [Amigo] : yes, it's an optional application
[10:15] <[Amigo] > binary2k2, when I remove Katapult, apt-get write me: (next packets will be removed katapult kubuntu-desktop) - it's normaly?
[10:15] <Pie-rate> Is there any way to install kubuntu using a 512mb usb drive?
[10:15] <binary2k2> [Amigo] : kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, you can remove it safely
[10:16] <Vladdy> Pie-rate: sure.. if you have an existing linux
[10:16] <[Amigo] > binary2k2, OK.
[10:16] <Pie-rate> Vladdy: what do you mean?
[10:16] <binary2k2> Pie-rate: I don't think 512mb is enough, unless you do a net-install
[10:16] <[Amigo] > binary2k2, next question?
[10:16] <Vladdy> but it's not easy lol
[10:16] <Vladdy> easiest is to burn a kubuntu cd
[10:17] <Pie-rate> well i have no cd-rs right now
[10:17] <[Amigo] > binary2k2,  thnx
[10:17] <Vladdy> g2g
[10:17] <[Amigo] > bay
[10:17] <[Amigo] > buy
[10:17] <[Amigo] > :)
[10:17] <Pie-rate> of the two i had left one of them i put the amd64 version on which i didn't like and the other ended up corrupted i guess
[10:18] <Pie-rate> "  !" oh noes, a terrorist!
[10:18] <Jucatulog> hm...
[10:21] <Pie-rate> is there any way to install kubuntu without a cd?
[10:21] <abattoir> Pie-rate: sure
[10:22] <abattoir> !install | Pie-rate
[10:22] <ubotu> Pie-rate: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[10:28] <osiris> has anyone tried dual booting vista and ubuntu ?
[10:29] <binary2k2> osiris: it should be the same as dual booting xp (or any windows) and ubuntu
[10:30] <Pie-rate> I assume since i'm being spammed by "Buffer I/O error on device HDB, logical block 2783XX (where XX is incrementing), my cd is bad?
[10:31] <Pie-rate> this is after a while of running the cd tester
[10:31] <justMatt> Hey guys - I have just done an install of 6.10 - but Konqueror seems to have ultra high latency. Is this a know problem or is there something I should be looking for?
[10:31] <abattoir> Pie-rate: you have 2 hard disks?
[10:31] <Pie-rate> or could it be a bad HDD or CD drive?
[10:31] <Pie-rate> no, its a laptop
[10:32] <abattoir> Pie-rate: then it's most probably the optical drive
[10:32] <abattoir> (generally it's hdc though)
[10:32] <Pie-rate> the drive or the cd?
[10:32] <Pie-rate> please tell me the drive isn't bad...
[10:32] <abattoir> i meant hdb is the drive, yes, the problem should be w/ the cd
[10:32] <abattoir> Pie-rate: is this a pressed disc or did you burn it?
[10:33] <Pie-rate> how would I check the CD without using the cd tester provided on the cd?
[10:33] <Pie-rate> burned
[10:33] <ubuntu> I just checked my disc and it passed the tests
[10:33] <Malician> sorry
[10:33] <Malician> Anyway, I keep getting an usersetupapply error
[10:33] <Malician> when I try to install 6.10
[10:34] <guiden> does mac computers use gnome?
[10:34] <guiden> wrong channel
[10:34] <abattoir> guiden: no, they use OSX by default
[10:35] <guiden> ok
[10:35] <londo4> how can I open a usb storage media,  like usk  pen
[10:35] <Malician> does anybody know how to deal with installations repeatedly failing at the creating user stage?
[10:35] <osiris> aqua i believe is the name
[10:35] <abattoir> londo4: when you plug it in, you'll be asked what you want to do...
[10:36] <mr_interweb> when adept says that it can't install a package "BREAK (Install)" what is the best way to resolve that problem?
[10:36] <abattoir> Malician: the live cd installer?
[10:36] <Malician> yeah
[10:36] <Malician> 6.10