[14:45] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: FYI, I've updated the SRU template in https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1910835 to use the regular SRU process rather than cloud-init's exception: examination of the patch clearly indicates this only modifies Azure code paths, so I don't think we need a full regression test across all clouds.
[14:45] <Odd_Bloke> (And I'm running the integration tests in Azure against proposed now.)
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: I'm seeing https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/tests/integration_tests/bugs/test_gh632.py fail on Azure; I think it's missing a mark to only run on particular clouds, but it's not immediately clear to me which ones it should run on.  Could you take a look?
[15:29] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: falcojr: Any objection to me fixing the daily builds by merging ubuntu/$series into ubuntu/daily/$series (and fixing conflicts as I do so)?
[15:39] <falcojr> I'll take a look at the test
[15:39] <Odd_Bloke> More specifically: I'll need to merge the packaging branch into the daily branch, and then revert the cherry-pick commit (otherwise we try to apply the cherry-picked quilt patch to master's tree, which already includes that content; unsuccessfully, of course).
[15:39] <falcojr> no objection from me, but I'm probably not the one to ask
[16:00] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: falcojr checking. I *thought* we had a tool to do this :) :(
[16:04] <blackboxsw> I think we want to run https://github.com/canonical/uss-tableflip/blob/master/doc/ubuntu_release_process.md
[16:04] <blackboxsw> uss-tableflip/fix-daily-branch
[16:05] <blackboxsw> looks like I need to update docs there.
[16:05] <blackboxsw> something like fix-daily-branch xenial upstream
[16:09] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: That tool doesn't perform a merge, so it's not clear to me that it does what we need.
[16:10] <Odd_Bloke> I guess I could run it after the merge, and it would do the revert for me automatically.
[16:10] <Odd_Bloke> (I did look at it. :)
[17:18] <blackboxsw> +1 Odd_Bloke as you mentioned in standup we can circle back on the tool to make sure it does what it's supposed to (or avoid using it since the manual steps are not too many)
[17:20] <blackboxsw> looks like we missed office hours last week. I'm bumping it to next week unless there are any objections.
[17:21] <blackboxsw> TLDR Odd_Bloke, falcojr working on SRU verification for a cherry-pick fix for Azure for 20.4 expectation is that we'll roll out this images very soon this week. I see verification logs are already attached
[17:24] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: I wanted a bug to reference in my SRU comment, so I've opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1911230 for the issue we talked about earlier.
[17:47] <Odd_Bloke> SRU verification is complete, and marked as such in the bug; we're now waiting for review from the SRU team to release it into the archive.
[17:56] <blackboxsw> BOOM! Thanks Odd_Bloke for the heavy lifts there
[18:18] <blackboxsw> man 315 line DataSourceOVF.py:get_data painful....
[18:18] <blackboxsw> sooo much nested logic
[19:20] <falcojr> Odd_Bloke: how does having a bug to reference help us?
[19:35] <Odd_Bloke> falcojr: Given the tight turnaround we're asking for, I wanted to be very explicit in our SRU bug about why we were seeing failures in the test results that I posted and that we were in the process of addressing them; if I'd seen your PR by then, I'd have just pointed at that, there's nothing special about A Bug in the context I was using it.
[19:36] <falcojr> sounds good!
[19:46] <blackboxsw> ok done with vmware raw userdata review .... looks good enough but minor changes, docs, var/function names to make it a bit more clear what is happening there https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/691
[21:43] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: I've pushed to https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/tree/ubuntu/daily/focal and have seen the daily build get past the previous point of failure: would you mind reviewing what I've done before I move on to other suites, to confirm it matches your expectations?
[21:43] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Oops, meant to wait until I'd seen a success to hit send on that; please hold, lol.
[21:47] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, right, it builds from the LP mirror which hasn't been updated.
[22:00] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: OK, https://code.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/+archive/ubuntu/daily/+recipebuild/2716114 would have failed by now, so review away!
[22:00] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: looking now
[22:03] <blackboxsw> https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-github-mirror/399/ has run now?
[22:04] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Yep, so my previous build failed because it was still just using the old git repo.
[22:06] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: so the only diff I see after running `git checkout upstream/ubuntu/devel; fix-daily-branch focal upstream;` and the current upstream/ubuntu/devel is here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JF9HFhBXW8/
[22:07] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: so +1 on getting the debian/changelog entry, I think that's what is missing from fix-daily-branch script
[22:07] <blackboxsw> too
[22:07] <blackboxsw> I'm checking the merge order now using ubuntu/focal + ubuntu/daily/focal etc
[22:09] <blackboxsw> and +1 on mergeability and looks like recipe build worked too
[22:12] <Odd_Bloke> So focal was a _merge_ into the daily branch, because the daily branch was last used for reverting the cherry-picks we performed when we did the feature freeze upload.  Other daily branches are just fast-forwarding, because they haven't had any commits applied to them since being refreshed after last time we cherry-picked.
[22:12] <blackboxsw> so that procedure you used should work for any daily branch release
[22:13] <blackboxsw> ahhhh
[22:13] <Odd_Bloke> So next time I think we'll merge everything.
[22:13] <blackboxsw> +1 thanks for the cleanup here
[22:14] <blackboxsw> so we still need doc update on procedure right? I can chat w/ you at standup to see if this fix-daily-branch tool is warranted, or if we just drop it and make sure docs are up to date
[22:28] <Odd_Bloke> Yep, we do; I think the tool is probably warranted (this was the simplest case, if we had multiple cherry-picks as we did for the focal release then it would have been easy to miss one).
[22:29] <Odd_Bloke> And, yeah, we can catch up at stand-up. :)


[01:44] <niedbalski> rbasak: fixed sru templates for lp #1867676 and lp #1867398, if you could please review them again. thank you!
[09:49] <tkamppeter> seb128, My libmtp printer fix made it all the way through to Debian and upstream:
[09:49] <tkamppeter> https://github.com/libmtp/libmtp/issues/24
[09:49] <tkamppeter> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/libmtp/-/commit/01797b1808e5e01115af10d30b557c14d85a8d1b
[10:58] <rbalint> could an archive admin please unblock kodi? LP: #1868499
[11:02] <mantas-baltix> Hi
[11:10] <seb128> rbalint, you have more chance by using ubuntu-archive as an alias on #ubuntu-release, that should highlight the right people. But also it would help if the bug had the anylisis of the rdepends, the list and sign they got checked and they are fine to remove. I would be fine doing removal commands but I don't have the free cycles to do the investigation work atm
[12:38] <ddstreet> it seems like git-remote-bzr has been removed from the archive since eoan, is there some other way to use remote bzr repos locally with git?
[14:01] <rbasak> cpaelzer: uvtool> all sounds good to me. Thanks!
[14:02] <rbasak> I'm also happy to deprecate --host-passthrough
[14:02] <rbasak> With a warning, for eventual removal.
[14:03] <cpaelzer> rbasak: great
[14:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak: we have a bug and I have a card in the roadmpa for next cycle for myself already
[14:05] <cpaelzer> I'll get back to it when it is the right time
[14:05] <rbasak> ack
[14:25] <oSoMoN> how do I suggest/request that a package (jsunit) be added to a package set (mozilla) ?
[15:48] <gQuigs> xnox: are you still running DNSSEC=yes?  would do you expect It to protect you against?  (https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/15158)
[15:50] <oSoMoN> sil2100, being on the developer membership board, do you happen to know I can suggest/request that a package (jsunit) be added to a package set (mozilla) ?
[15:50] <oSoMoN> *how
[15:50] <Laney> oSoMoN: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with the request
[15:50] <oSoMoN> Laney, thanks!
[15:53] <xnox> gQuigs:  do you have resolved debug log from when the second authenitcated no query happens?
[15:54] <gQuigs> xnox: no, but I could get that trivially.. (I think)
[15:59] <xnox> gQuigs:  please
[15:59] <xnox> gQuigs:  i wonder if badssl.com has like highjacked entries too
[16:04] <gQuigs> xnox: added to GH issue..
[16:07] <gQuigs> xnox: it does the right thing if it partially wrong (aka resolvectl query dnssec.fail
[16:07] <gQuigs> dnssec.fail: resolve call failed: DNSSEC validation failed: no-signature) -   was wondering the same thing if there was a public reproducer for what I did...
[16:34] <niedbalski> rbasak: or sil2100 i've updated again the affected series, description and regression potential sections of LP: #1867676
[16:35] <niedbalski> coreycb: rbasak in my opinion this should be a UCA dependency rather than archive. ^^
[16:37] <sil2100> niedbalski: I guess since rbasak did the review, he's the best one to continue on it
[16:51] <coreycb> niedbalski: anything that lives in uca starts in distro
[17:31] <rbasak> coreycb: IIRC we hit this before. I wish I could remember the package to see what happened then.
[17:32] <rbasak> coreycb: it makes sense in the general case that fixes go into the archive first. But here's a case where a change to a package is required only because of a UCA backport. I think, from the POV of the Ubuntu archive, it's not a bug at all?
[17:36] <rbasak> Ah. Here we are: bug 1829823
[17:37] <rbasak> In that case it was an obviously safe patch to an unused (in the archive) upstart script, so staging it was OK.
[17:37] <rbasak> In this case there's more regression risk I think as it actually changes functionality.
[17:38] <rbasak> So it's the same class of question, but the resolution last time is not necessarily appropriate here.
[17:49] <coreycb> rbasak: niedbalski: ok I just re-read the bug. this releases >= rocky (ie. >= cosmic). we can look at fixing in the cloud archive only for those releases.
[17:49] <coreycb> s/this/this affects/
[17:50] <coreycb> rbasak: niedbalski: this is an odd case where we don't already have barbicanclient in the uca for rocky, stein, and train because the version in bionic satisfied the requirement for those uca's, so it's awkward.
[17:51] <rbasak> I appreciate how it's awkward
[17:52] <rbasak> I think the trade-off is awkwardness for UCA maintenance/tooling vs. an SRU (with its regression risk, etc) that isn't otherwise necessary or wanted for the Ubuntu archive itself
[18:13] <coreycb> niedbalski: are you sure this doesn't affect queens (ie. bionic)? this fix is in the upstream stable/queens branch. the regression potential of backporting barbicanclient to 3 uca releases is much higher than backporting a single patch to the bionic package.
[18:18] <rbasak> coreycb: much higher> how so? Wouldn't users be installing exactly the same patched package whichever way?
[18:18] <rbasak> If you're worried about the binary, you could build the package on the oldest UCA release and copy it forward
[18:19] <coreycb> rbasak: not in this case because we don't have the package in the UCA for rocky, stein, or train. the version in bionic satisfies the min required version for those releases.
[18:20] <rbasak> coreycb: so instead of a bionic SRU you'd add it to rocky, and copy it forward (with binaries) to stein and train. The user experience in terms of which package build is being installed will be identical in all cases.
[18:22]  * rbasak EODs
[19:46] <niedbalski> coreycb: rbasak this is is bionic only; i don'
[19:47] <niedbalski> coreycb: unless you think is worth doing what rbasak just mentioned ^^
[19:50] <coreycb> niedbalski: I was trying to figure out if the bug exists in bionic. do you know if it does?
[19:51] <niedbalski> coreycb: remember this bug triggers only with octavia-api, that's UCA only bionic base + a UCA release
[19:55] <coreycb> niedbalski: maybe, or have we only seen it in that scenario
[19:56] <niedbalski> coreycb: well, yes
[20:11] <coreycb> niedbalski: it does look like the issue exists in bionic. since we can't test it with octavia on bionic we should be able to test it with the steps mentioned at: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003197
[21:44] <arunpyasi> Hi everyone, is it mandatory to debuild -S in order to dput to PPA Launchpad ?
[21:45] <tumbleweed> Launchpad only accepts source uploads, if that's what you're asking
[21:48] <Unit193> arunpyasi: What is it that you don't like about that?
[21:53] <niedbalski> coreycb: the sru is targeting bionic, what do you mean?
[21:59] <coreycb> niedbalski: right but I think we need a case for getting it fixed in bionic
[22:04] <arunpyasi> Unit193, not that I don't like but having an issue. I build packages via sbuild but if I dput it I get the following error :
[22:04] <arunpyasi> https://pastebin.com/iqTJuexA
[22:37] <mwhudson> niedbalski: sorry for not getting to that containerd bug, i'm glad you got it uploaded
[22:37] <mwhudson> niedbalski: this is fixed upstream, right? so if i upload 1.3.4 we won't lose the fix?
[22:38] <mwhudson> niedbalski: (the upstream bug was still open when i last looked)
[22:49] <arunpyasi> Is 'python' package depreciated from the focal repo ?
[22:52] <gQuigs> arunpyasi: short answer, yes it's gone..  if you need python2, install/depend on python2
[22:52] <arunpyasi> gQuigs, oh ok. Thank you very much for quick response.
[22:53] <niedbalski> mwhudson: o/
[22:54] <niedbalski> $ git show --oneline 37b9a34 | head -n1
[22:54] <niedbalski> 37b9a34 Improve host fallback behaviour in docker remote
[22:54] <niedbalski> $ git tag --contains 37b9a34
[22:54] <niedbalski> mwhudson: afak 1.3.4 hasn't been tagged yet, so yes .. that fix is contained in the current 1.3 release branch but not yet tagged afaiu.
[22:54] <mwhudson> niedbalski: ok cool
[22:55] <mwhudson> uh i guess we should fix in focal anyway, release is close
[22:58] <niedbalski> mwhudson: focal and eoan, last time i checked they were on 1.2.X, which doesn't have this particular issue. did you upload 1.3.3 series there recently?, probably uploading 1.3.4 soon-ish would be the way to go.
[22:59] <mwhudson> niedbalski: focal and eoan have 1.3.3
[22:59] <mwhudson> we don't upload newer versions to stable releases than devel usually...
[23:03] <niedbalski> mwhudson: then yes, same patch will have to be promulgated to eoan and focal as well if they have 1.3.3, if you have no other plan (as doing a 1.3.4 upgrade), i can go ahead and propose the backports for both tomorrow morning.
[23:03] <mwhudson> niedbalski: do you happen to know when 1.3.4 will be out?
[23:03] <mwhudson> but yeah, we shold get the patch into f&e, it's my friday but i can upload on monday if not before
[23:05] <niedbalski> mwhudson: amazing, thanks. i'll ping you once the debdiffs are up in the bug report.
[23:05] <niedbalski> mwhudson: asked here for the 1.3.4 release cut dates https://github.com/containerd/containerd/pull/4104#issuecomment-604731418
[23:06] <niedbalski> lets see


[01:29] <JRicketts_> good evening, anyone have a good guide on how to install a LAMP server onto Ubuntu? I am new at this and recently aquired a static IP from comcast and would like to host my own webserver. Its only going to support one site and would like to setup with either ISPconfig or Webmin? Thanks for support
[01:30] <sarnold> JRicketts_: I'd like to strongly recommend staying away from the web frontend things, they are almost always without exception horrible code.
[01:31] <JRicketts_> you know I have heard bad things about all excpet Cpanel, but I don't want to pay 500 bucks. I have heard you can run almost everything from the from the source itself
[01:32] <JRicketts_> I have been reading up on it and have found that Ubuntu is a strong webserver software, was playing around with Centos then heard good and bad about both then went to linux.org and ready a lot of good reviews about Ubuntu, so trying it out
[01:32] <sarnold> JRicketts_: I _think_ if you install the "tasksel" package, you'll be able to "taskel install lamp", or something similar, but I don't think it does anything that you can'd do yourself with "apt-get install apache php5 mysql-server mysql-client" ...
[01:32] <JRicketts_> great thats the exact answer I was looking for
[01:34] <JRicketts_> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_lamp_for_newbies found this guide on howtoforge, its pretyt old but anyone think its about the same?
[01:36] <sarnold> JRicketts_: I don't immediately see anything wrong with it, that's a plus :) hehe
[01:36] <sarnold> JRicketts_: note also: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/index.html
[01:37] <JRicketts_> Sarnold, great, thank you for feedback
[01:37] <sarnold> JRicketts_: have fun :)
[01:37] <JRicketts_> i will, i think the only problem I am going to have is when I have everything setup
[01:38] <excalibr> Hello. Anyone is familiar with lxc? Why it takes so long to be ready to use when I start it up with lxc-start?
[01:39] <JRicketts_> I need to portforward so when someone types my domain name it goes to the correct computer on my network, I have my modem bridged by comcast, and my router taking care of the firewall so far. I also have godaddy hosting my DNS and SSL, so I need to figure out how to set that all up, but first need to install LAMP and Ubuntu
[01:41] <sarnold> excalibr: I wonder if you have hit this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/1193594
[01:46] <JRicketts_> stupid ?, should the hostname matter since its on my network?
[01:47] <sarnold> JRicketts_: the name mostly doesn't matter, but i'd avoid giving it a domainname of '.local', newfangled mdns things assume .local is entirely theirs
[01:48] <sarnold> JRicketts_: the hostname will also be customer-facing in some apache error pages, so be tasteful :)
[01:48] <JRicketts_> thanks for adivce
[01:50] <excalibr> sarnold: Nope, can't reproduce it on my ubuntu. Maybe because I'm not using 64-bit ubuntu
[01:53] <JRicketts_> sarnold: would you reccomend setting up the encryption for the home directroy? Its an option during setup? Will that mess with any system files etc to run the LAMP server?
[01:54] <sarnold> JRicketts_: you can set it up if you'd prefer to keep the contents of your home directory encrypted when you are not logged in
[01:54] <sarnold> JRicketts_: it's especially nice if you have multiple users and want to make sure one can't easily get to the other of another user..
[01:55] <sarnold> JRicketts_: since my machines are all single-user machines, I'm content to not use the home-directory encryption and rely upon my hard drive vendor's whole-disk encryption. (Which is iffy, since hard drive vendors sometimes screw it up.)
[01:56] <JRicketts_> Thanks
[01:57] <sarnold> JRicketts_: (note that hard-drive-vendor whole-disk encryption requires a passphrase at boot -- probably not a good idea for unattended server)
[01:58] <JRicketts_> i decided to use the extra security, i am not always around to look at the server and I think it would be a great Idea to do that
[01:58] <JRicketts_> thanks for info on it, it makes since whats it used for
[02:01] <JRicketts_> I just realized i like how Ubuntu has the Package Tasks, I see how it has LAMP in it... Happy camper so far :)
[02:11] <JRicketts_> reccomendations for having openssh installed along with LAMP?
[02:11] <roaksoax> adam_g: still around?
[02:25] <fluvvell> JRicketts_, install ssh - yes!
[02:28] <JRicketts_> i got it :)
[02:30] <JRicketts_> looked i up, quick question for anyone... Got the LAMP server installed and everything working great! I even got the default page up and running... Now this is the hard part for me. I need to point my domain which is hosted by godaddy to my new server. I do have a static IP, but I noticed whe I ogged in onto the server the first time its using the DHCP fromt he routher which I expected, How do I portforward any req
[02:31] <JRicketts_> setup but just don't know how to setup through ubuntu, I did make it static IP on ubuntu
[02:34] <JRicketts_> found how to edit Ubuntu https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[02:34] <JRicketts_> sorry will look further before asking stupid ?s lol
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[03:35] <JRicketts_> anyone avaiable to assit in IP configs behind a firewall? I have searched the internet and just confused? Trying to access server from another source using my domain name from godaddy
[03:35]  * JRicketts_ is no longer away - Gone for 30 mins 40 secs
[04:00] <adam_g> roaksoax, heren ow
[04:05]  * JRicketts_ is now away - Reason : Auto-Away (Away from Keyboard for 30 minutes)
[04:05] <ScottK> !away | JRicketts_
[09:43] <iliv> hi, I was applying updates and I "lost" a couple of updates. Meaning, I saw in apt-get -s dist-upgrade output "Inst python-libvirt [0.9.8-2ubuntu17.8] (0.9.8-2ubuntu17.10 Ubuntu:12.04/precise-updates [amd64])" this line, and after running apt-get update followed up with apt-get install ...
[09:43] <iliv> ... libpython2.7 python python-minimal python2.7 python2.7-minimal (i.e. deliberately omitting python-libvirt and other libvirt packages) apt now reports that a) the update is no longer there available b) current version of python-libvirt is still 0.9.8-2ubuntu17.8, i.e. the old one. Looks like ...
[09:43] <iliv> ... nothing was upgraded (and that's good), but the updates are gone (that's bad). Has anyone ever run into a situation like this before?
[11:18] <hadifarnoud> my ubuntu server is under DDoS attack. I managed to block most of it but I'm getting a strange http GET requests. https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/c761a50fa53b90befbf1
[12:49] <thelionroars> Can anyone tell me what this means: pam_unix(login:account): account xxx has password changed in future
[12:53] <zul> jamespage:  so would you be upset if i didnt include mongodb and happybase for ceilometer MIR
[13:01] <zul> jamespage:  and we definently need new kombu otherwise ceilometer isnt going to work
[13:46] <aandy> hi guys, i'm trying to force setting a pw (with passwd) via ssh, which fails for one of two generic reasons: Permissions denied, or Unexpected failure. Password file/table unchanged". the error happens when trying to put the cmd as part of the ssh cmd line, and not if it is separated (ssh line to login, then manually typing passwd), which leads me to believe it's a tty issue. any ideas how i can proceed?
[13:51] <aandy> i can generate the hashed pw, but i'd really prefer NOT tampering with the shadow file myself (very ugly and error prone solution for what should be a trivial problem)
[13:52] <psivaa> hallyn: sorry to bother you again but the floodlight test appears to hang and the bug (bug #1181315)that was impacting the test does not seem to be the reason for this hang afaik
[13:52] <psivaa> hallyn: there is a VM active with this issue in the server if you'd like to investigate
[14:04] <hallyn> psivaa: which vm?
[14:05] <psivaa> hallyn: utah-10632-saucy-server-amd64
[14:08] <hallyn> psivaa: looks like utah itself may be hung?  I see:
[14:08] <hallyn> root      2584  2478  0 08:01 ?        00:00:01 python /usr/bin/utah -f yaml -r /tmp/floodlight.run -o /var/lib/utah/utah.out
[14:08] <hallyn> root      2603  2584  0 08:02 ?        00:00:00 [sh] <defunct>
[14:11] <psivaa> hallyn: probably.. but i was not sure why this only happens with floodlight tests. i was wondering if the following is any reason
[14:11] <psivaa> 107       7065  0.5 36.7 1175516 184788 ?      Ssl  09:19   0:16 java -Dpython.home=/usr/share/jython -Dlogback.configurationFile=/etc/floodlight/logba
[14:13] <hallyn> psivaa: could be.  but i don't know what that is, or the floodlight tests for that matter
[14:14] <psivaa> hallyn: ok, ill ping utah team to see if they could shed some light. thanks for your time
[14:14] <hallyn> psivaa: ok.  fwiw i started a manual run and it's going ok so far.
[14:14] <hallyn> starting to worry this could be a qemu bug on the host...
[14:15] <hallyn> though really utah bug seems likely :)
[14:15] <psivaa> hallyn: ok, i assume that you are trying with today or yesterday's image because this issue only came up with yesterday's image
[14:16] <psivaa> doanac: would you mind taking a look at utah-10632-saucy-server-amd64 in aldebaran to see if utah is causing the hang please?
[14:17] <hallyn> psivaa: no i meant i was running it insside that vm
[14:17] <psivaa> doanac: this is a floodlight saucy server test on amd64 and from yesterday the test appear to hang and does not timeout
[14:18] <psivaa> hallyn: ohh then my question to doanac is more meaningful :)
[14:19] <doanac> psivaa: sure. in a meeting now. so I need a bit
[14:20] <psivaa> doanac: sure. can wait. thanks
[14:30] <doanac> psivaa: utah is hung.
[14:30] <doanac> the VM is logging to /var/lib/ubuntu-server-iso-testing/workspace/saucy-server-amd64-smoke-floodlight/log/utah-10632.syslog.log however, utah isn't seeing new messages in that file somehow
[14:32] <doanac> psivaa: please open a bug. this is the first bug i've seen like this live
[14:36] <psivaa> doanac: will do, thanks
[14:41] <hadifarnoud> my ubuntu server is under DDoS attack. I managed to block most of it but I'm getting a strange http GET requests. https://gist.github.com/hadifarnoud/c761a50fa53b90befbf1
[14:59] <kaje> My /boot partition filled up and now apt is choking. I've cleared some space, but I'm getting this error when I try to install anything: http://pastebin.com/bGtWrA1F
[14:59] <kaje> What should I do to fix this problem?
[15:28] <hadifarnoud> kaje: ask in #ubuntu. it's very quiet here and your question is more of a general one.
[15:30] <kaje> I'm not getting any help there... Can I remove the linux-server package and then install it?   But I also have a custom log called _responsetime.log, and that one is not being rotated.
[19:09] <sarnold> savid: hrm, does apache's configuration need any tweeking to know to close/open _that_ log file as well?
[19:34] <adam_g_> smoser, in what log did you notice upstart upgrade borking cloud-init?
[19:34] <smoser> no logs
[19:35] <smoser> oh.
[19:35] <smoser> /var/log/cloud-init-output.log
[19:35] <smoser> if the upgrade has upstart or any of its dependencies in it
[19:42] <vmuser1000> anyone running geronimo 3.0 on 12.04?
[19:51] <adam_g_> smoser, is there somewhere else this info gets published now? https://maas.ubuntu.com/images/query/saucy/ephemeral/daily-dl.current.txt
[20:13] <Chocobo> I am having a problem with nova-compute.   NFS needs to be mounted before nova-compute can start.  With upstart is there a way to ensure a certain condition before a service is started?
[20:13] <Chocobo> or at the very least try periodicially to start it?
[20:14] <patdk-wk_> upstart does both
[20:14] <patdk-wk_> start on (remote-filesystems and .......
[20:15] <patdk-wk_> respawn limit x x
[20:15] <Chocobo> patdk-wk_: this is the default "start on":  start on runlevel [2345]
[20:16] <Chocobo> so I could just modify it to:  start on (remote-filesystems and runlevel [2345])
[20:16] <patdk-wk_> yep
[20:16] <Chocobo> that is pretty bad add actually
[20:16] <Chocobo> s/add/ass
[20:16] <patdk-wk_> heh?
[20:16] <Chocobo> bad ass.
[20:17] <Chocobo> patdk-wk_: thanks
[20:31] <gQuigs> on fresh reboot, sunrpc debug flags are 0
[20:31] <gQuigs> but I have them specified in sysctl.conf and when I run sysctl -p they get set correctly
[20:31] <gQuigs> what am I doing wrong?
[20:31] <gQuigs> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5799593/
[20:42] <smoser> adam_g_, i dont thinks so.
[20:42] <smoser> (wrt maas iamges data)
[20:42] <adam_g_> smoser, yea. looks like all other releases have recent ephemerals but saucy
[20:42] <smoser> hm.
[20:46] <smoser> adam_g_, yeah, they're failing to build. not sure why.
[20:47] <adam_g_> smoser, hm ok
[20:48] <LargePrime> I have a few virtual Hosting questions
[20:49] <LargePrime> they are best practice related
[20:49] <LargePrime> should i ask here or look for a apatche2 channel?
[20:52] <jacobw_> LargePrime, we can probably answer most questions about virtual hosts here
[20:53] <LargePrime> is it better to have all of the sies in the conf file or use site-enable
[20:54] <LargePrime> is there a best practice for that
[20:57] <LargePrime> or is it just preference?
[21:00] <gQuigs> my issue was weird openstack issue, works fine in stock vm
[21:14] <smoser> adam_g_, ok. maybe i fixed that...
[21:18] <adam_g_> smoser, nice
[21:20] <smoser> adam_g_, sent mail. that build failed.
[21:21] <adam_g_> smoser,thanks.
[21:21] <adam_g_> smoser, also did you see my late-night msg last week regarding openstack + m1.tiny?
[22:24] <Vec_> Hey guys, i am installing ubuntu server. I am running a BIOS-raid mirror (fakeraid). I am at the point where i choose where to install the GRUB boot loader. Where do i install it? Under /dev/mapper/{array name}? or just /dev/sda ?
[22:29] <shankstaBytes> how can i set a chroot on a user account?
[22:30] <xnox> Vec_: depends, for intel raid /dev/mapper/{array name}
[22:30] <shankstaBytes> i want their home directory to chroot them
[22:30] <xnox> Vec_: for others that expose the raid array as /dev/sdX then well /dev/sdX
[22:30] <shankstaBytes> is it a permission thing?
[22:30] <shankstaBytes> i dont want them to leave that directory
[22:31] <xnox> Vec_: you do want to install bootloader on the array.
[22:31] <xnox> shankstaBytes: the two are arthogonal, as it's trivial to escape chroot and get & browse files outside of chroot.
[22:32] <xnox> shankstaBytes: setup an lxc-container and let the person inside that, or a virtual machine and let them inside that only.
[22:32] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: that's miserably difficult. this might be more to your liking: http://wiki.apparmor.net/index.php/Pam_apparmor_example
[22:33] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: xnox's suggestions are also quite good, if the user isn't expected to be able to share data with other users or services on the machine
[22:33] <Vec_> xnox: thanks, im on intel arcitechture if thats what you ment. so /dev/mapper/<arrayname> then?
[22:33] <xnox> sarnold: intersting, didn't know about capabilities pam_apparmor
[22:33] <xnox> Vec_: yeah
[22:34]  * Vec_ started learning linux today ~
[22:34] <Vec_> Alright, when i LS my /mapper i get like, erm, hold on
[22:34] <Vec_> "control", "nvidia_cafjdbgb", "nvidia_cafjdbgb1", "nvidia_cafjdbgb2", "nvidia_cafjdbgb5"
[22:35] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: i think this is more then i am going for
[22:35] <Vec_> I assume "nvidia_cafjdbgb" is the name i'm supposed to enter as bootloader install place?
[22:35] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: i am using vsftp trying to just let a person login to a folder but do nothing elsee
[22:35] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: ah, could be, but it does save the hassle of trying to set up a chroot environment or lxc environments..
[22:36] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: vsftpd has some provisions for chrooting, doesn't it?
[22:36] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: ya but they dont seem to be working
[22:36] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: aha :) any error messages in the logs?
[22:38] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: oh im sorry it is working the issue is that the user can login via ssh
[22:38] <shankstaBytes> i was just using sftp:// instead of ftp://
[22:39] <sarnold> xnox: pam_apparmor is mighty-heavy artillery, very nice for enforcing some system-wide constraints on users whenever they log in through PAM-aware services...
[22:39] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: i will have to look into as i have heard good things
[22:39] <sarnold> xnox: but I haven't set it up for myself on my own laptop, so...
[22:39] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: aha! confusing sftp with ftps is too easy and too common.
[22:39] <shankstaBytes> xnox: i have looked into lxc containers and they are awesome but i heard not ready for production
[22:40] <xnox> sarnold: =))) well on ubuntu escaping pam is harder than escaping chroot. so that sounds good.
[22:40] <sarnold> xnox: hehehe :)
[22:40] <sarnold> xnox: well put :)
[22:41] <xnox> shankstaBytes: please define "ready for production". It's quite an arbitrary phrase, mostly used as a fake excuse.
[22:42] <xnox> shankstaBytes: it's fully supported to launch ubuntu server, desktop and cloud (with/without cloud init) from 12.04 LTS and up, fully integrated and well supported in main across the board.
[22:42] <shankstaBytes> xnox: when i hear that it means i should not use it because the creators don't think it is ready to be used in a real business situation.
[22:42] <shankstaBytes> maybe we are talking about something else
[22:42] <shankstaBytes> oh im thinking of docker
[22:43] <Vec_> xnox: you were correct, grub loader @ dev/mapper/<arrayname> worked like a charm!
[22:43] <shankstaBytes> http://www.docker.io/
[22:44] <xnox> shankstaBytes: lxc is the most secure, stable, scalable container solution.
[22:44] <xnox> shankstaBytes: i'd not trust docker, but they are working on better/proper underlying lxc foundation so one day it might be good...... but you can use lxc with LTS today ;-)
[22:48] <shankstaBytes> xnox: i se
[22:48] <shankstaBytes> see*
[22:49] <shankstaBytes> figured out how to disable ssh login that wasn't so bad
[22:49] <shankstaBytes> man i was trying to figure out a graphical solution to get done what i wanted but it was really like 5 commands to setup vsftp with chroot and disable ssh login
[22:50] <shankstaBytes> some one said it was easy to break out of chroot?  Does that only apply when your logged in via ssh?
[22:51] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: chroot is best considered a convience option than a security option; it _only_ changes the filesystem root for a given process and all its children. it doesn't stop sending signals, IPC, or ptrace; setuid executables can be used to escape, /proc/ can be used to escape, etc.
[22:52] <shankstaBytes> ahh
[22:52] <shankstaBytes> i think in this instance i would be better served just enabling some logging and reviewing it later
[22:52] <sarnold> giving someone ssh access typically grants a huge pile of tools to users that could probably be combined to escape. but there's nothing magic about ssh being involved that would make it easier or harder
[22:52] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: is there any way i can monitor all actions on the server by a specific ip?
[22:54] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: not particularly easy, since a given remote peer could communicate via a huge number of services, and the actions taken don't necessarily obviously line up with remote-initiated vs local-initiated..
[22:54] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: i am giving the user access to execute php scripts as well so really if they wanted to they could make a script that allows them to execute some code on it, but i dont think the default www-data user would be allowed to execute code outside of /var/www
[22:54] <shankstaBytes> any experience with this?
[22:55] <shankstaBytes> i semi-trust them so
[22:55] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: the PAM stack logs logins and logouts to /var/log/auth or /var/log/audit/audit.log (if you've got auditd installed) -- but once authenticated, it is up to each service to log whatever activities would be performed on behalf of the remote user, and something like apache isn't going to go through the PAM stack...
[22:55] <shankstaBytes> ill probably backup as well
[22:55] <shankstaBytes> ok
[22:55] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: ooof. defintely look into apparmor or similar tools.
[22:55] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: its just a test server gonna do some development with a guy
[22:55] <shankstaBytes> so not super serious
[22:56] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: okay, so a guy you'd happily give your root password to and ask him to not abuse it. :)
[22:56] <shankstaBytes> haha i dont know about that
[22:56] <shankstaBytes> i dont trust anyone with my root! :D
[22:57] <shankstaBytes> my time for setup is limited i guess i will just have to take a small risk
[22:57] <sarnold> fair enough
[22:57] <sarnold> your time is valuable, must be measured against other things you can do :)
[22:58] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: it doesn't have anything important on it though it is pretty much a new apache setup
[22:58] <sarnold> do consider running that apache/php stuff in an lxc or virtual machine too...
[22:58] <shankstaBytes> sarnold: what would that involve?
[22:58] <sarnold> shankstaBytes: I've never tried lxc outside of juju, so I'm pretty fuzzy there..
[22:58] <shankstaBytes> sudo do-magic-container
[22:59] <shankstaBytes> that would be sweet


[00:08] <vila> gotgenes: did you look at bug #141105 ?
[00:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141105 in bzr "Crash with authenticated https checkout" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141105
[00:10] <gotgenes> bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "svn+https://gotgenes.com/svn/csbs/trunk"
[00:12] <gotgenes> hmm, but I should have bzr-svn installed, it's under /usr/local
[00:22] <gotgenes> any ideas?
[00:30] <gotgenes> right, I suppose I didn't install the plugin properly, considering the README says to just copy the directory as ~/.bazaar/plugins/svn
[00:30]  * gotgenes sighs
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #154670 in bzr "bzr can delete a user's working directory, resulting in subsequent errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154670
[04:04] <thumper> pinging poolie or spiv or lifeless
[04:04] <fullermd> Oh my!
[04:07] <spiv> thumper: pong
[04:07] <thumper> spiv: call?
[04:07] <thumper> it'll be quick
[04:08] <spiv> thumper: you can try my mobile.  Not sure how good the reception will be... (I'm at my parents' place, it has iffy internet and iffy phone coverage)
[04:08] <thumper> spiv: :)
[04:08] <spiv> thumper: irc is fine too ;)
[04:09] <fullermd> Communication is always difficult across generations   :p
[07:05] <lifeless> thumper: yo
[07:05] <thumper> lifeless: hi
[07:05] <lifeless> whats up?
[07:05] <thumper> lifeless: mostly sorted now
[07:05] <thumper> spiv has sorted it out
[07:06] <lifeless> ok
[07:06] <lifeless> ciao
[07:06] <thumper> bye
[07:08] <thumper> spiv: see privmsg
[07:08] <thumper> spiv: ping
[07:08] <thumper> spiv: ^^^
[07:08]  * thumper does it all incase there are special ping rules...
[07:10] <fullermd> OK, so is the "xyz inconsistent parents" line that just showed up in check to do with that reconcile thing that's been going around?
[07:17] <thumper> fullermd: I think so
[07:18] <thumper> fullermd: you'd know (I think) - how do I apply a bundle?
[07:18] <thumper> say one that is attached to an email
[07:33] <fullermd> 'pull' or 'merge' should eat it.
[07:45] <lifeless> thumper: save hte mail to disk, bzr merge filenameofmail
[07:47] <fullermd> lifeless: Should I be expecting rather large number of those 'inconsistent parents'?  I've got, like, twice as many as I have revisions...
[08:48] <lifeless> thumper: well you can have many per revision
[08:48] <lifeless> wel
[08:48] <lifeless> fullermd: ^
[08:49] <lifeless> sorry thumper didn't mean you
[08:50] <fullermd> Well, I thought they were fallout from really old versions.  All the revs here are fairly young (post-0.16, mostly post-0.18)
[10:43] <weigon_> hmm, I'm missing a piece here:
[10:43] <weigon_> $ bzr pull
[10:43] <weigon_> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. Use the merge command to reconcile them.
[10:43] <weigon_> $ bzr merge
[10:43] <weigon_> ... (patches)
[10:44] <weigon_> $ bzr status
[10:44] <weigon_> ...
[10:44] <weigon_> pending merges:
[10:44] <weigon_>   Jan Kneschke 2007-10-20 fixed test-case to start the field-indexing at 1 instead of 0
[10:44] <weigon_> how can I use the old commit msg as new commit msg ?
[10:44] <weigon_> "$ bzr commit" asks me for a new one
[10:46] <Peng> I guess you'd just have to copy and paste it.
[10:47] <Peng> Usually people use a message like "Merged <branch>".
[10:47] <Peng> You don't really need to repeat the message -- 'bzr log' will show it.
[10:48] <weigon_> *doh* now that I see it
[10:49] <weigon_> I assumed there would be a obvious thing I missed :)
[14:22] <weigon_> jelmer: where do you want to have bugs reported to for bzr-svn ?
[14:22] <jelmer> weigon_: on launchpad please, https://launchpad.net/bzr-svn
[14:22] <weigon_> -> bzr: ERROR: libsvn._core.SubversionException: ("File already exists: filesystem '/svnroot/mysql-proxy/db', transaction '265-1', path '/trunk/tests/suite/base/r/query_analizer1.result'", 160020)
[15:12] <jelmer> weigon_: please report that on launchpad :-)
[15:12] <jelmer> weigon_: This was during a push?
[16:36] <weigon_> jelmer: yes
[16:36] <weigon_> jelmer: it was a mixed merge + files added
[16:36] <weigon_> a partial commit failed with:
[16:36] <weigon_> $ bzr commit lib/proxy/strict.lua lib/proxy/Makefile.am
[16:36] <weigon_> bzr: ERROR: Selected-file commit of merges is not supported yet: files trunk/lib/proxy/strict.lua, trunk/lib/proxy/Makefile.am
[16:37] <weigon_> so I tried to commit and push everything afterwards
[16:40] <jelmer> weigon_: ah, ok
[16:41] <jelmer> weigon_: I'm actually working on that bug right now
[16:41] <weigon_> I run 0.91 + bzr-svn 0.4-bzr right now
[16:41] <weigon_> just tell me and I'll test it
[16:43] <jelmer> this is bug 145148
[16:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145148 in bzr-svn "svn and bzr-svn clash on commit" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145148
[16:43] <jelmer> weigon_: ok
[16:43] <weigon_> this is my paste http://p.caboo.se/109159
[16:44] <weigon_> I tried to register on launchpad, but it didn't seem to like my mailhost
[16:47] <jelmer> weigon_: thanks - that does indeed look like bug 145148
[16:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145148 in bzr-svn "svn and bzr-svn clash on commit" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145148
[17:42] <danigm> hi all again, yesterday I send a question about the distributed development, and the push. dato, ana` says me that you'll respond me, but I go before. Can you help me??
[17:43] <dato> oh well.
[18:06] <Lo-lan-do> jelmer: Is bug #145148 the same as Debian #444775, do you think?
[18:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145148 in bzr-svn "svn and bzr-svn clash on commit" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145148
[18:06] <ubotu> Debian bug 444775 in bzr-svn "bzr-svn: Can't push to SVN when a file has been created there" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/444775
[18:07] <Lo-lan-do> (If so, I'll mark the latter as forwarded to the former)
[18:32] <jelmer> re
[18:32] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: I think so, but I'm not 100% sure
[18:32] <jelmer> should have a fix soon
[18:47] <Lo-lan-do> The backtraces look remarkably similar in structure
[18:48] <Lo-lan-do> Mine has several calls of _dir_process, but I suspect that's because I'm seeing the bug on a file that's not in the top-level directory, contrary to the test case.
[18:48] <jelmer> yeah, indeed
[18:49] <jelmer> yours is a little bit more complex though - because of the messing around with the property contents
[18:50] <Lo-lan-do> Ah yes, I had forgotten about that.
[19:13] <jelmer> weigon_: can you please try again?
[21:30] <schierbeck> hello lads
[21:30] <schierbeck> jelmer: ping?
[21:30] <jelmer> schierbeck, pong!
[21:30] <schierbeck> hehe
[21:31] <schierbeck> so, i'm trying to pull the treeview out of branchwin
[21:31] <schierbeck> do you have an opinion on what the base class of the new widget should be?
[21:32] <schierbeck> i'm thinking either just the treeview, the scrollwindow surrounding it, or an entirely new widget
[21:36] <schierbeck> with a new widget, we could have more control of what signals were sent, and simplify the interface
[21:40] <jelmer> re
[21:41] <jelmer> schierbeck: ... and perhaps embed it in new places
[21:41] <schierbeck> jelmer: well, we could do that with a scrollwin, too
[21:42] <schierbeck> i'd just like to keep the interface as simple as possible
[21:42] <jelmer> schierbeck: yeah, agreed
[21:42] <schierbeck> it's possible to add your own signals, right?
[21:42] <jelmer> schierbeck: yeah
[21:42] <schierbeck> okay
[21:42] <schierbeck> i'll work on it a bit
[21:42] <jelmer> schierbeck: either treeview or scrollwindow as base class sounds fine
[21:43] <schierbeck> i'll start with scrollwin -- if we need more encapsulation we can always change that later
[21:53] <lifeless> moin
[22:00] <nekohayo> hi folks, I have a basic VCS question. Between two revisions, only the changes are saved right?
[22:00] <nekohayo> for example, if I have a repository that is very heavy in filesize, it will not be duplicated?
[22:24] <lifeless> nekohayo: yes, bzr delta-compresses the repository
[22:24] <lifeless> nekohayo: though conceptually we work with full texts
[23:08] <schierbeck> jelmer: ping
[23:08] <jelmer> schierbeck, pong
[23:08] <schierbeck> :)
[23:08] <schierbeck> okay, it seems to be working now
[23:09] <schierbeck> i started off conservatively
[23:09] <schierbeck> wanna have a look?
[23:09] <schierbeck> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dasch/bzr-gtk/treeview


[07:51] <dax> elky: please add an ubuntu member cloak to my account, my LPID is https://launchpad.net/~rww
[07:51] <dax> P:
[07:52] <elky> staff, please cloak dax
[07:53] <dax> hrm
[07:53] <dax> ubottu: whoami
[07:53] <dax> ih8u
[07:53] <dax> @whoami
[07:53] <dax> figured
[08:16] <dax> @whoami
[08:16] <dax> @login
[08:16] <dax> ... lol
[22:49] <elky> Fuchs: after several memos and an unresponsive PM session, i feel we've given enough warning and done due diligence now, so when you get a moment, can you either shut down #ubuntu-it-touch and #ubuntu-it-phone or transfer them to the ubuntuirccouncil account?
[22:50] <elky> (i'm aware you're not around right now, but when you do appear)


[03:52] <guiverc> Bashing-om, my read thru is [finally] complete/done; looks good
[03:55] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Great - thanks for all your efforts .
[10:42] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Top CIO Challenges in 2023 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/top_cios_challenges_2023
[15:49] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Expandable Folder View Returns to Nautilus in Ubuntu 23.04 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/02/nautilus-44-in-ubuntu-23-04 (by Joey Sneddon)
[23:15] <Bashing-om> UWN: Electical power restored - beginning to make the push.
[23:18] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om, i was waiting...
[23:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Working onner :D
[23:25] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away ... Doing the Forums post next.
[23:26] <guiverc> thanks; yeah the WIP disappeared to refreshes ago on wiki (but I failed to mentally notice); I'll switch to UWN now
[23:34] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/02/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-774/
[23:35] <guiverc> (one link altered; other news)
[23:38] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums post done - Re-directs next.
[23:44] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-dieect completed.
[23:45] <guiverc> i don't see UWN 773 on twitter?  (looking back in irclog)
[23:47] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spt cheal and all looks good.
[23:48] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I do not reacall that I followed through last week checking what had been posted :(
[23:50] <guiverc> 773 was large discussion on changing away from wiki.. oh well.   Do i ignore the 773? (twitter) or publish late (& now out of order?)
[23:50] <guiverc> I could delete 774 on twitter; post 773 then re-post 774 too I guess
[23:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: My oponion - is Twitter and there are bigger issues there - I say we skip posting 773.
[23:52] <krytarik> guiverc: Could post it out of order and amend the intro text slightly..
[23:55] <guiverc> thanks krytarik; i used that, ie. "(belated) Issue 773 of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter covering the week of January 29 - February 4, 2023 [link]"
[23:56] <guiverc> posted to telegram, reddit, mewe , but sorry about missing 773 on twitter last week !
[23:57] <guiverc> tor-browser is still 404 here, I'll post to fb later today (on different box)
[23:57] <krytarik> Well, considering I've been thinking about dropping it altogether in favor of Mastodon.. :P
[23:57] <guiverc> dropping it?  which it?
[23:58] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 774 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/02/13/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-774/
[23:58] <krytarik> Tbh, FB could be dropped too, but I was responding to the Twitter thing here.


[22:46] <luca> Cynthia: I am trying to do that, but I can't: it keeps saying Can't open /dev/null, permission denied
[22:46] <MichRT> hzlocky i'm sure you know now, but get the AMD64 CD
[22:46] <luca> carlosgaldino: definitely not, sorry :)
[22:46] <darthanubis> 185.18.36
[22:46] <carlosgaldino> luca, ok, i think was "luka"
[22:46] <Cynthia> dev/null can't be opened, now that's a big bug :\ I don't know what to do with that
[22:46] <darthanubis> that is the driver version
[22:46] <carlosgaldino> luca, thanks
[22:46] <luca> carlosgaldino: np
[22:46] <darthanubis> Everything is up to date Karmic
[22:47] <carlosgaldino> anyone knows how to disable the bip when a sound file is open?
[22:47] <MichRT> darthanubis, I have no clue. just open a file browser and move it over the shadow.
[22:47] <Cynthia> luca: From within the liveCD, run Synaptic and mark for upgrades the packages os-prober and grub (or grub2?), they've been updated since the beta
[22:47] <Cynthia> apply, then try sudo update-grub again
[22:48] <Cynthia> (yes, sorry, update-grub must be run as root or sudo, did you just type update-grub?)
[22:48] <darthanubis> MichRT, none of that works.
[22:48] <Olimpico> MichRT, what do you mean?
[22:48] <antoine> Anyone here having problems with gconf?
[22:48] <darthanubis> Is someone going to try this like I asked, now that I've answered everyones questions?
[22:49] <Cynthia> darthanubis: MichRT wants you to move a window on top of the rogue applet shadow. Or just make a selection rectangle on the desktop.
[22:49] <MichRT> OK, open up you home folder. Grab the title bar, and move the window so it COMPLETLY COVERS the shadow. move the window away, and the shadow is gone. Used to have this problem.
[22:49] <Cynthia> This worked around bug 428783 when I had it
[22:49] <luca> Cynthia: ok, thanks, trying that
[22:49] <darthanubis> Cynthia, That Does Not Remove The Ghost
[22:49] <Cynthia> It doesn't?
[22:49] <MichRT> wierd
[22:50] <darthanubis> Cynthia, thank you for the link to the bug report
[22:50] <Cynthia> See, I used to have that bug, but now I never have it under any circumstance anymore
[22:50] <darthanubis> Cynthia, No
[22:50] <Cynthia> Running Intel i915, Karmic updated, amd64
[22:50] <carlosgaldino> someone could tell me how can i solve the problem with the sound? every time i open a sound file the computer make a bip
[22:50] <darthanubis> Cynthia, I'll read the report
[22:50] <Cynthia> darthanubis: what differs in your configuration? (also, compiz)
[22:51] <darthanubis> Cynthia, That is what I'm trying to determine by comparing notes with you guys. But the cooperation is lopsided as of right now, you know:/?
[22:51] <MichRT> for sound, go to sound settings in administration. de-check "sound on select" or something like that
[22:51] <Cynthia> The calendar applet used to do this. You're using a different applet?
[22:51] <MichRT> Ya, what applet
[22:52] <antoine> Failed to get connection to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[22:52] <Cynthia> Oh, stock/invest
[22:52] <darthanubis> Cynthia, I'm using the invest applet, and yes the calender applet did this too me as well, but not anymore, only the invest applet
[22:52]  * Cynthia tries it, does anyone have any sample stock symbols for me to add? :)
[22:53] <darthanubis> Cynthia, goog, amd, intc
[22:54] <Cynthia> thanks
[22:54] <darthanubis> thx you
[22:54] <Cynthia> oh hrm
[22:54] <Cynthia> the shadow appears as a window always-on-bottom
[22:54] <MichRT> Time to go experiment some more on Karmic. See yall later!
[22:55] <Cynthia> so if I have a Firefox over it, it doesn't show the shadow, but then I minimise all apps and only the shadow shows... confirmed on Intel! Do you have a bug number for this?
[22:55] <darthanubis> Cynthia, told you
[22:55] <darthanubis> Cynthia, only the bug # you gave me?
[22:56] <Cynthia> it seems to be a separate issue to the calendar applet issue, but with the same symptoms
[22:56] <darthanubis> yup
[22:56] <Cynthia> I'll post in that bug report asking for more info WRT the Invest applet
[22:57] <darthanubis> Cynthia, I greatly appreciate your efforts concerning this matter!
[22:58] <carlosgaldino> any solution?
[23:02] <Cynthia> darthanubis: see the last comment on that linked bug, subscribe to it and click "This bug affects me too"
[23:02] <darthanubis> will do
[23:03] <Cynthia> add another comment if you wish
[23:03] <FFEMTcJ> If I updated firefox to 3.5.5pre via the firefox repo, is there a way for me to go back to the 3.5 that ships with 9.10?
[23:04] <darthanubis> Cynthia, Done. And thanks again.
[23:04] <Cynthia> FFEMTcJ: 1. check which version ships with karmic by running 'apt-cache policy firefox' and seeing which version number has 'ubuntu' in it; 2. use 'apt-get install firefox=VERSIONNUMBER'
[23:05] <Cynthia> and 3. accept the downgrade warning
[23:07] <FFEMTcJ> Cynthia: would i then need to reboot? it looks like it downgraded, but when i run ff again, it still shows 3.5.5pre
[23:08] <Cynthia> FFEMTcJ: hmm... try 'dpkg -s firefox'
[23:08] <Cynthia> here it says Version: 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[23:09] <FFEMTcJ> thats what it says here too
[23:09] <Cynthia> if you still had a firefox up during the downgrade, close and restart it
[23:09] <FFEMTcJ> didnt
[23:10] <FFEMTcJ> i guess ill try a reboot?
[23:10] <Cynthia> repeat the steps from earlier, but with 'firefox-3.5=VERSION' instead
[23:10] <Cynthia> it looks like firefox is a mere metapackage, this kinda confuses me a bit
[23:10] <FFEMTcJ> that looks like it may be better
[23:11] <FFEMTcJ> ty Cynthia
[23:11] <FFEMTcJ> that worked
[23:11] <sneakers> I'm trying to install 9.10 with auto|manual ext3|ext4 partitions from the live CD and each time with each combination I get the error "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext3|ext4 ... at / failed." Anybody have any ideas why?
[23:12] <Cynthia> FFEMTcJ: you're welcome :)
[23:13] <MichRT> Back again. bored.
[23:14] <MichRT> Oh, and has anyone tried MTP in Karmic?
[23:14] <Cynthia> MichRT: as in Media Transfer Protocol?
[23:14] <MichRT> Ya
[23:15] <Cynthia> nah, I only do USB mass storage
[23:15] <Cynthia> others?
[23:15] <evilaim> Man, this is all starting to work "too good"
[23:15] <MichRT> Well, I do too, but my brother has a Sandisk Sansa Fuze, and I need it for that.
[23:16] <MichRT> I looked it up, but from experience rhythmbox hate Sandisk.
[23:17] <Lars_G> Well, I had to format my partition and lost all :(
[23:18] <Lars_G> at least I got to create my separate home dir, and encrypt it from the installer (seems encryptfs is used)
[23:18] <evilaim> Nice, pidgin allows for editing the theme!
[23:18] <evilaim> That makes me happy
[23:18] <Lars_G> but now I'm updating the 347 packages from the beta to the lattest
[23:18] <Lars_G> mehç
[23:19] <MichRT> See yall later!
[23:26] <carl0s-> Latest updates broke my ATI FireGL Thinkpad t43 laptop .. The system hangs about where I'd expect X to be. Any ideas?
[23:37] <jdu> Running the livecd of 9.10 beta on a usb stick, it only starts sometimes.  Is this likely a result of the upstart changes, or is it likely that it will be fixed with a real install?
[23:37] <jdu> this amd64
[23:37] <evilaim> ya, I'm on amd64
[23:37] <evilaim> It's very nice
[23:37] <evilaim> But I really really need to upgrade ram
[23:37] <evilaim> haha
[23:38] <jdu> evilaim: i haven't tested to see whether my ram usage really goes up as expected with a 64 bit install
[23:39] <evilaim> I have a bunch of stuff running and I'm only at 522MB
[23:39] <evilaim> conky, pidgin, deluge, irssi, gnome-do, thunderbird...
[23:40] <billybigrigger> anyone know what happened to the virtualbox-3.0 package?
[23:46] <sneakers> if anybody is interested, it seems the install partitioner wouldn't work until I deleted all partitions on the drives I was setting up
[23:46] <sneakers> removing all partitions with gparted allowed me to manually partition in the installer
[23:46] <Cynthia> sneakers: I installed Alpha 5, Alpha 6 and Beta over manually-specified partitions :\
[23:47] <Cynthia> manually specified, and existing
[23:47] <sneakers> with each combination I tried, it just told me it failed
[23:47] <evilaim> Hey, does pidgin support video now?
[23:49] <zniavre> jabber and another network but not the msn protocol yet
[23:50] <Cynthia> the other protocol is XMPP or something
[23:52] <Stonk> hi there. I've got the 9.10 beta 64 bit running right now and the installed can't see my harddisk. fdisk -l returns nothing either. Any ideas?
[23:53] <ectropy> Stonk: Get a hard disk! :P
[23:53] <wirechief_> Stonk did it see your HD when it was tested as a live session ?
[23:54] <Stonk> I'm in the live session right now. I know the harddisk works because I can reboot into *ahem* vista that came with it
[23:54] <wirechief_> Stonk if you didn't already, check the media, select the integrity check on the grub screen.
[23:55] <Stonk> it's a fully intel mobo so...
[23:55] <Cynthia> Stonk: does 'ls /dev/{h,s}d*' in a terminal return anything?
[23:55] <Stonk> I don't really want to leave my live session right now ;-)
[23:56] <Stonk> default /dev/sd{a-d}
[23:56] <Stonk> but black
[23:56] <wirechief_> Stonk well you might  be able to check the media with sha256sum /dev/cdrom and see if it compares
[23:56] <Stonk> i dont understand sorry, I'm unable to install it
[23:56] <wirechief_> unless you know the md5sum then use it instead.
[23:57] <Stonk> Sorry, you've lost me wirechief_
[23:57] <wirechief_> Stonk use the terminal and do the above commands and compare your results
[23:58] <Stonk> oh you think my cd is screwed? hmm ok
[23:58] <wirechief_> that will verify the integrity of your current session anyways.
[23:58] <wirechief_> yes i do think its mucked
[23:58] <wirechief_> but it could be something else
[23:58] <Stonk> It's been running live for the last 4 hours
[23:58] <Stonk> but ok... it's doing it
[23:59] <wirechief_> that does not mean anything. all you need to do is lose a few bits and you have a install thats screwed
[23:59] <gnubie> billybigrigger; http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-virtualbox-3.0-on-an-ubuntu-9.04-desktop   I just followed this and now have vbox 3.0 install on 9.10
[23:59] <coz_> hey guys.. i wanted to make a comment about the "no icons " under some menus as being a dis-service to visually impaired individuals who would more likely see the icon as a color variation to work with where as text alone..being similar to all text in the menus most likely might not be distinguushed from any other text in the menu


[23:22] <msnbot> how can I install manual for cpp. like man string.hhow can I install manual for cpp. like man string.h
[23:22] <yacc> Cimmo, Well, if it sucks to much, I'll probably rotate desktop environment yet another time, ...
[23:22] <dr_willis> chexck the package manager - seeif theres a kdevlop doc.
[23:22] <yacc> I think next in the periodic env change queue is ion3 ;)
[23:23] <dr_willis> apt-cache search doc          for a start perhaps?
[23:23] <msnbot> dr_willis:  man socket works in interpid but not in hardy.
[23:23] <msnbot> I need the package name
[23:24] <szrhawaii> do you want the dev files for dev
[23:25] <dr_willis> check the packae listings for both machines and compare the 2 i guess.
[23:25] <szrhawaii> yeah
[23:25] <yacc> cimmo: My "distribution-upgrader" window hangs and does not paint itself anymore ;(
[23:25] <szrhawaii> it should be kdevelop, kdevelop-data, kdevelop-dev, kdevelop-doc
[23:25] <msnbot> i found cpp-4.2-doc may be it will hap
[23:26] <msnbot> szrhawaii: kdevelop-doc is not working. says the package is missing
[23:26] <Cimmo> yacc: wait...
[23:26] <szrhawaii> did you download it
[23:28] <msnbot> szrhawaii: no. its what apt-get says
[23:29] <szrhawaii> then you got to go to your package manager and download it
[23:29] <msnbot> I just need "man socket", "man mysql_connect". cause I forget it. it my finger works faster in console.
[23:29] <msnbot> apt-get install kedevelop-doc does notwork.
[23:30] <yacc> Cimmo, yeah, it just too some time to figure out that it will take 41 minutes to fetch the packages ;)
[23:30] <msnbot> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[23:30] <msnbot> is only available from another source
[23:30] <msnbot> E: Package kdevelop-doc has no installation candidate
[23:30] <szrhawaii> try changing your repos
[23:30] <msnbot> sorry for multiple lines
[23:30] <szrhawaii> to allow you to
[23:31] <msnbot> Idont know which repo it is in.
[23:31] <szrhawaii> try the third party one
[23:32] <msnbot> szrhawaii: it should be in official repo. I used it built in installed in Fedora.
[23:32] <szrhawaii> are you using synaptic
[23:32] <szrhawaii> it should be
[23:32] <szrhawaii> it is for hardy
[23:32] <dwidmann> yacc: see kubuntu.org for upgrade instructions
[23:32] <msnbot> szrhawaii: no. I am using console
[23:32] <yacc> dwidmann, I'm already in progress ;)
[23:32] <szrhawaii> try using your synaptic
[23:33] <szrhawaii> see what happens
[23:33] <yacc> dwidmann, now the only "fascinating" thing is to see if the stupid thing will reboot after the upgrade.
[23:33] <dwidmann> yacc: , ah, good, especially seeing as I wasn't scrolled all the way down :s
[23:33] <msnbot> is synaptic in Kubuntu? I am a pure Kubuntu Guy.
[23:33] <szrhawaii> its i kde
[23:33] <yacc> LMV-on-LUKS setup.
[23:33] <dwidmann> yacc: I'm assuming you found out about the "dist-upgrade-devel" option?
[23:33] <yacc> dwidmann, yeah.
[23:34] <szrhawaii> well the new kde has synaptic in the system settings
[23:34] <BluesKaj> actually synaptic is a gnome app, but it's more thorough than adept with dependencies , so I prefer it .
[23:34] <dwidmann> szrhawaii: no.
[23:34] <szrhawaii> when i had the new one it was synaptic
[23:34] <szrhawaii> then the old one had hardy
[23:34] <szrhawaii> dont know how that happened
[23:35] <yacc> dwidmann, I'm using the waiting time to scout for a new laptop should this one die ;)
[23:35] <szrhawaii> i have adept
[23:35] <msnbot> syanptic looks like a GTK app.
[23:36] <Cimmo> it IS a gtk app
[23:36] <Cimmo> but it is way better than poor adept
[23:36] <szrhawaii> it does file better
[23:36] <Cimmo> trust me: kubuntu 8.10 is a bunch of beta and unfinished software
[23:36] <Cimmo> leave it alove
[23:37] <Cimmo> *alone
[23:37] <msnbot> szrhawaii: wow. its downloading. why it didnt work with apt-get??
[23:37] <szrhawaii> if no one uses it then they cant work out the bugs
[23:37] <szrhawaii> that happens to me sometimes
[23:37] <Cimmo> I'm using it, but only on secondary machine
[23:37] <szrhawaii> its like i get locked out of terminal
[23:38] <szrhawaii> then have to use the package manager
[23:38] <dwidmann> Cimmo: I'd say it's a gnome app, what with all the gnome depends it has
[23:38] <msnbot> Kubuntu Hardy is not LTS.  I didnt know.
[23:39] <msnbot> but Kubuntu Dapar was LTS.
[23:40] <e-head> hey
[23:40] <e-head> I don't seem to have an inittab file
[23:40] <e-head> Is this file still used?  Do I have to make one?
[23:40] <msnbot> e-head: no its not used anymore
[23:41] <e-head> no way!
[23:41] <e-head> are you serious?
[23:41] <dwidmann> !upstart
[23:41] <msnbot> e-head: but if you place one there it will work.
[23:41] <e-head> okay. thanks.
[23:41] <e-head> Kubuntu uses System V init doesn't it?
[23:41] <msnbot> no
[23:41] <e-head> really? what does it use?
[23:41] <dwidmann> e-head: switched it out with upstart years ago
[23:42] <e-head> damn.  i'm way behind the times I guess.
[23:42] <msnbot> e-head:  If you want to work with inittab. place an inittab file there. It will simulate
[23:42] <e-head> gotcha.
[23:42] <e-head> thanks.
[23:42] <e-head> can you still do "init 3" commands, etc...
[23:42] <Guest823> Just switched over form archlinux and I was wondering if there is some way to set up konqueror to work like it does in thier iteration.
[23:42] <e-head> did it put a simlink there for me?
[23:43] <msnbot> e-head: everything works.
[23:43] <dwidmann> upstart emulates sys-v-init for compatibility though, as well as doing its own thing
[23:43] <e-head> Is this pretty common for new linux distros... to use this upstart?
[23:43] <ahmos> hi , i need agood firewal and easy to configure,anyone knows one?
[23:43] <Guest823> Found a few things on the net about restoring factory settings for konq but they all seem to apply to old versions
[23:43] <dwidmann> e-head: think it's an ubuntu thing, or at least it started as one
[23:43] <loganWHD> can i ask a question:  can i take Kubuntu 8.10 down to KDE3?
[23:44] <e-head> how would I kill my X-server and go into a console only mode?
[23:44] <dwidmann> loganWHD: short of finding relible third party packages or compiling it yourself,no.
[23:44] <ahmos> !firewall
[23:44] <e-head> without doing a ctrl-alt-backspace
[23:44] <szrhawaii> !mplayer
[23:45] <szrhawaii> #compiz-fusion
[23:45] <msnbot> I never used compiz. :(
[23:45] <loganWHD> so really i gotta go to Kubuntu 8.04
[23:45] <loganWHD> ugh
[23:46] <loganWHD> so much dang reinstalling this week
[23:46] <szrhawaii> oh sorry i was lazy and decided to link from there
[23:46] <loganWHD> well that was depressing piece of news
[23:46] <loganWHD> hehe
[23:47] <Guest823> any help for konq defaults
[23:47] <burn_> where can i check is my comp linux compatibile?
[23:47] <burn_> i wanna buy new desktop and want to know are my new components copmatible, any sites?
[23:48] <dwidmann> burn_: what i would do would be to google the part names, yes, part by part.
[23:48] <msnbot> burn_: make sure the components/devices you buy has linux driver
[23:48] <burn_> graphic has linux rivers
[23:48] <burn_> drivers
[23:49] <szrhawaii> if you go into the bios on the new comps sometimes it says it in the settings for linux
[23:49] <msnbot> burn_: : as long as you buy device from famous company they will have linux driver. eg. Intel
[23:49] <burn_> thnx
[23:49] <dwidmann> burn_: wouldn't be so sure about that really
[23:50] <xxx_> i am having problems with klamav. When i try to update it i get the "Update process died unexpectedly! did you kill it manually?" error message.
[23:50] <szrhawaii> anyone know how to patch the mplayer
[23:50] <xxx_> anyone can help me ? or redirect me ?
[23:50] <szrhawaii> i have a patch source but forgot how to do it
[23:50] <msnbot> normally the problem arise when its a laptop and the compay doesnt provide support any more.
[23:50] <dwidmann> burn_: definitely check into the ethernet controller, disk controller, and the graphics card, at the least.
[23:51] <dwidmann> szrhawaii: patch -p1 < file.patch
[23:51] <burn_> graphic card has linux drivers, checked ati radeon 3870
[23:51] <dwidmann> szrhawaii: or something like that
[23:51] <szrhawaii> thanks
[23:51] <loganWHD> anyone here using 8.04 and a dell 9400?
[23:51] <msnbot> nvidia graphics card has driver.
[23:51] <szrhawaii> not working
[23:52] <burn_> i used both graphic card on linux
[23:52] <msnbot> dont buy any chep chinese sound card.
[23:52] <burn_> both working good
[23:52] <dwidmann> burn_: one thing that's also worth checking is *how well* those particular drivers are working, for the particular device(s)
[23:52] <loganWHD> i am thinking i am going back to 8.04 but not sure if anyone is having the same sound card issues etc
[23:52] <dwidmann> burn_: whether things work (properly!!) or not can vary from model to model ...
[23:52] <szrhawaii> got nothing
[23:52] <burn_> where to check how well the york? i have ati radeon 3650 and it works great, am gonna buy 3870
[23:52] <xxx_> anyone help ?
[23:52] <xxx_> ^
[23:53] <dwidmann> szrhawaii: do you have the patch and run the command from the root of the source directory?
[23:53] <szrhawaii> i have the patch saved on my comp
[23:54] <szrhawaii> so i got to go to the mplayer root
[23:54] <dougl> does kubuntu install compiz fusion by default? ie will it work after I install the nvidia drivers?
[23:55] <PleXuS> hi all, having problem with samba fileserver smbd stopped running :s
[23:55] <PleXuS>  * smbd is not running.
[23:55] <burn_> anyone use amsn? if anyone use tell me where to put skins to use them?
[23:55] <e-head> Hey, what packages do I need to install to get apache2/php5/mysql system up and running?
[23:55] <dwidmann> burn_: I would do a google search something similar to "linux ati radeon hd3870 problem|bug
[23:55] <dwidmann> "
[23:56] <burn_> apache2 , php5 and mysql , check them in adept
[23:56] <dwidmann> burn_: if you see lots of problems that might effect you, then be wary, eh?
[23:56] <dougl> dwidmann, canadian to eh?
[23:56] <burn_> :D
[23:56] <Mr-S> hello
[23:57] <e-head> thanks
[23:57] <dwidmann> dougl: 'fraid not, just a weird american
[23:58] <e-head> what's this apache2-mpm-prefork package it's trying to pull in?
[23:59] <e-head> It says this is a Multi-Processing Module apache
[23:59] <e-head> How come my current apache2 won't work?
[23:59] <burn_> u tryed localhost?


[03:29] <czajkowski> nn folks
[08:08] <jussi> czajkowski: when you wake up, one thing I just noticed about the loco directory. I was trying to find a loco that included boston, but when I searched for boston, only a few venues came up, not any locos. that could probably work better.
[08:40] <AlanBell> http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-source-procurement-toolkit UK government talks about open source and Ubuntu gets a mention alongside RedHat in the Open Source Options document
[09:25] <jussi> AlanBell: epically awesome!
[09:25] <AlanBell> only took 2 years of lobbying to get that :)
[11:06] <czajkowski> jussi: all LD dev stuff is cjohnston or mhall119
[11:06] <jussi> czajkowski: ok. mhall119 cjohnston ^^^ :D
[11:07] <jussi> oh, and good morning czajkowski :)
[11:08] <czajkowski> jussi: morning
[11:08] <czajkowski> boston is the Ma team though so not sure what else you're looking for
[11:09] <jussi> czajkowski: yeah, I figured that. but Im after that the ma team comes up when I serarch for boston.
[11:09] <jussi> (it doesnt currently)
[11:09] <nigelb_> jussi: could you file a bug please?
[11:09] <jussi> nigelb_: of course. where?
[11:09] <czajkowski> jussi: on the ld
[11:09] <czajkowski> the footer says file a bug
[11:09] <jussi> oh :)
[11:09] <nigelb_> jussi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug
[11:12] <jussi> nigelb: bug 885631
[11:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 885631 in loco-directory "Loco directory search does not show up loco when searching fro large/capital city. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/885631
[11:14] <nigelb> jussi: Thanks :)
[11:15] <nigelb> jussi: So, right now its only a text search. That's why it doesn't work so well.
[11:15] <jussi> nigelb: yeah, I figured. now go fixor it! :D
[11:15] <nigelb> heh
[11:15]  * jussi hugs nigelb
[11:15] <nigelb> I've been careful to take up only things that I can finish this cycle :D
[11:15] <nigelb> Like, getting moe developers involved.
[11:15] <nigelb> jussi: Join us to fix it!
[11:15] <nigelb> :D
[11:16] <jussi> actually, nigelb, I didnt hug you at UDS. this is a large issue that needs rectifying!
[11:17] <nigelb> jussi: haha
[11:17]  * nigelb hugs jussi
[12:35] <AlanBell> we need to fix search on summit
[12:35] <nigelb> There's either a bug or a work item for that.
[12:35] <nigelb> If it isn't, its on my list anyway.
[12:36] <AlanBell> the flat list of sessions should do it
[12:36] <nigelb> yeah, like what tumbleweed has
[12:36] <AlanBell> right now I am opening ical feeds in gedit and searching there
[12:36] <nigelb> Nice hack ;)
[12:36] <AlanBell> ctrl+f on the schedule page is useless
[12:37] <nigelb> Totally.
[14:02] <doctormo-other> txwikinger: Because Florida is one of the worst places I've ever visited, only better than Dallas.
[14:04] <txwikinger> doctormo-other: I was at UDS in Dallas
[14:04] <txwikinger> We met there
[14:04] <doctormo-other> yes
[14:04] <txwikinger> I used to live in Dallas
[14:05] <doctormo-other> Now mind you it wasn't the people, it was the paratide that really got on my nerves.
[14:05] <txwikinger> paratide?
[14:05] <txwikinger> Well.. Dallas is a special town
[14:05] <txwikinger> They should have gone to a hotel in the suburbs
[14:06] <txwikinger> Nobody wants to be around the placce UDS was
[14:07] <doctormo-other> apartheid*
[14:08] <txwikinger> We should have a UDS in Toronto
[14:11] <doctormo-other> txwikinger: We should have UDS in England, we've never had it there ;-)
[14:11] <AlanBell> won't happen :(
[14:11] <Daviey> doctormo-other: lets have it at my house.
[14:11] <doctormo-other> I still can't connect to these audio thigns, what are they supposed to play in?
[14:11] <AlanBell> doctormo-other: vlc or totem
[14:11] <doctormo-other> totem is a no go, nothing plays fromt he m3u file
[14:12] <Daviey> doctormo-other: fwiw, the very first UDS was in England.. :)
[14:12] <Daviey> Although, not sure it was called UDS then :(
[14:12] <doctormo-other> Daviey: doesn't count, I wasn't invited.
[14:12] <nigelb> Daviey: UDS at your house? I'm in!
[14:12] <Daviey> groovy.
[14:13] <txwikinger> Daviey: No sure I am reay to go back to UK though ;P
[14:13] <Daviey> me neither, it's nice and warm here.
[14:13] <txwikinger> ha.. I am waiting for the snow
[14:13]  * txwikinger loves winter with snow
[14:14]  * txwikinger shouldn't forget his dentist appointment today over all the UDS stuff
[14:15] <txwikinger> Is it only me, or are there far fewer interesting sessions this year?
[14:15] <popey> its lts
[14:15] <popey> there are far fewer interesting things happening
[14:15] <popey> bugfix and polish is the order of the day
[14:15] <doctormo-other> txwikinger: Compared to when? I think the most interesting one was UDS Boston, because I was the most ignorant then.
[14:15] <AlanBell> may you live in interesting times
[14:16] <popey> i need more stickers for my laptop
[14:16] <popey> decided to cover it
[14:16] <doctormo-other> popey: What kind would you like?
[14:16] <txwikinger> Well I was only at the one  at Dallas, and I could hardly get some breath there
[14:17] <txwikinger> the one afte that was good also, I got up every morning at 4am not to miss anything
[14:18] <txwikinger> popey: I have no problems with bugfixes and polish.. however, some things are not as easy to attend when remote
[14:18] <doctormo-other> txwikinger: The dinners are really hard to attend remotely.
[14:18] <txwikinger> doctormo-other: indeed
[14:43] <cjohnston> AlanBell: could the 'legacy' pad be kept for a while after the switch
[14:44] <AlanBell> yeah, probably
[14:53] <doctormo-other> popey: Grab a Vancouver Ubuntu sticker, oh wait, not at UDS right. :-(
[14:54] <AlanBell> cjohnston: ideally we would iterate through all the created pages, scoop up the text and chuck it into the etherpad lite server, but I don't want to set that as an expectation just yet
[14:55] <AlanBell> if people are pleasantly surprised we kept all their data then that is perfect
[15:00] <cjohnston> right.. and im asking for worst case
[15:01] <AlanBell> yeah, we can definitely keep the current pad server kicking about for as long as we want
[15:02] <AlanBell> but it might have to move off the pad.ubuntu.com URL to oldpad.ubuntu.com or something
[15:03] <AlanBell> and we won't be putting anything into production before the end of this year
[15:03] <cjohnston> !fail
[15:03] <ubot2> Shaka, when the walls fell.
[15:03] <cjohnston> massive !fail
[15:03] <AlanBell> what is?
[15:03] <nigelb> cjohnston: You are welcome to do the mgiration.
[15:04] <cjohnston> not moving sooner
[15:04] <nigelb> cjohnston: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[15:04] <nigelb> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[15:04] <nigelb> Really? :D
[15:05] <AlanBell> actually, we should do it this evening to be ready for friday sessions nigelb
[15:05] <cjohnston> no
[15:05] <cjohnston> but the next <2 months
[15:05] <AlanBell> to production?
[15:05] <cjohnston> yes
[15:06] <cjohnston> jcastro: if you see dpm please send him to bonaire-4
[15:06] <AlanBell> is there some time pressure we don't know about?
[15:07] <cjohnston> yes.. not doing crap the week before uds
[15:07] <AlanBell> I have *no* intention of doing crap in the week before UDS
[15:07] <nigelb> cjohnston: I can guarantee you something,
[15:07] <nigelb> Its not happening at least in the next 4 months.
[15:07] <cjohnston> that it will be done in the middle of the next uds
[15:07] <AlanBell> I am thinking of doing the SSO before christmas, then deploying in january
[15:08] <cjohnston> by sso what do you mean
[15:08] <AlanBell> if we deploy to production before the SSO is done then that would be silly
[15:08] <AlanBell> login.ubuntu.com integration with node.js
[15:08] <cjohnston> is that not done already?
[15:08] <AlanBell> so the pad knows who you are, and requires login to edit and presents read only to unauthed users
[15:08] <AlanBell> no
[15:09] <AlanBell> and we don't fancy doing it on the java based etherpad
[15:09] <nigelb> +1
[15:10] <cjohnston> k
[15:11] <AlanBell> at the moment there is an ugly hack with an apache reverse proxy in front of the etherpad server, and you need SSO to get the proxy to happen
[15:11] <AlanBell> etherpad doesn't know who you are at all, so we can't kick out anyone being disruptive
[15:11] <AlanBell> it is security theatre at the moment
[15:14] <popey> jcastro: can I do a lightning talk tomorrow pls?
[15:15] <nigelb> popey: be there after lunch in the queue.
[15:15] <nigelb> That's it.
[15:15] <nigelb> First come, first serve
[17:12] <doctormo-other> pleia2: *hug* thanks for mentioning deviantArt
[17:55] <pleia2> doctormo-other: of course :)
[20:22] <bkerensa> AlanBell: PM?
[20:22] <AlanBell> sure
[21:02] <AlanBell> popey: bkerensa: o/
[21:03] <bkerensa> ?
[21:03] <popey> hello
[21:03] <AlanBell> I gave popey a link to the draft post
[21:04] <AlanBell> popey: I suggested also linking to the canonical blog white paper article
[21:04] <popey> also worth pointing out the guy who maintains the installer for Ubuntu (Colin Watson) believes there is no malicious intent from HP (or other vendors) which is implied by the article.
[21:05] <popey> More likely it's just a bug in the Ubuntu installer
[21:05] <popey> and the absolutely best thing that could be done is file a bug about the issue
[21:05] <AlanBell> has that been done bkerensa?
[21:06] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Idk... Allison Randal (Canonical) is helping the person via ML last time I checked
[21:09] <bkerensa> posted
[21:09]  * bkerensa has to do a conference call to L.A. ttyl
[21:10] <AlanBell> great
[21:18] <bkerensa> OMG
[21:18] <bkerensa> :(
[21:18] <bkerensa> epic echo
[21:33] <czajkowski> what is scott richies irc nick
[21:34] <cjohnston> YokoZar
[21:37] <czajkowski> cjohnston: thanks
[22:31] <doctormo-other> cjohnston: It's taking forever to download some test data for the loco directory, do you have any advice?
[22:36] <AlanBell> put the kettle on?
[22:37] <AlanBell> it does take ages
[22:37] <doctormo-other> AlanBell: Nah i decided to hack commands/import-live-data.py and disable a few of the big ones, like users and comments.
[22:37] <AlanBell> good thinking
[22:38] <AlanBell> what are comments?
[22:38] <doctormo-other> No idea, even if they're empty I don't need them ;-)
[22:39] <doctormo-other> AlanBell: How are you today?
[22:41] <AlanBell> good thanks
[22:45] <doctormo-other> OK so semi-data isn't useful, which is annoying.
[22:46] <doctormo-other> And the data from live is too big to be useful.
[23:21] <doctormo-other> AlanBell, cjohnston: optional banner art for loco team pages: http://imagebin.org/182343
[23:22] <AlanBell> interesting stuff :)
[23:22] <doctormo-other> Turn your loco page into your home page! read the brain wave.
[23:22] <AlanBell> would that stay there for all things within the loco?
[23:22] <AlanBell> so if you are on an event or whatever
[23:23] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1373/detail/ for example
[23:23] <AlanBell> not sure the banner should be between main nav and subnav, but that isn't essential to the concept
[23:24] <doctormo-other> AlanBell: On my example code, it's only on the team_detail page, but it's intergrated into the theme so any page could switch it on.
[23:24] <AlanBell> that kind of thing might help it feel more like a microsite for the loco
[23:25] <doctormo-other> AlanBell: You're not attending your own event?
[23:25] <AlanBell> nah, far too far for me
[23:26] <AlanBell> I am running the Happy Hour series, not going to every one of them :)
[23:26] <doctormo-other> But yes that looks like just the kind of page to put this on.
[23:27] <AlanBell> a fairly recent change I made was on the event page the first option on the subnav now goes back to the ubuntu-uk team_details page
[23:27] <AlanBell> rather than to the somewhat offputting global events list http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[23:28] <doctormo-other> Good change!
[23:28] <AlanBell> I see very little value in the global list of events and meetings tbh
[23:29] <doctormo-other> That's a programmers design: list all
[23:29] <doctormo-other> Well if I can get two loco directory devels to thumbs up the concept, I'll finish the coding.
[23:52] <mhall119> doctormo-other: I like the idea, but agree with AlanBell that it looks odd sitting between the main nav and sub nav
[23:52] <mhall119> also, we'll have to make sure that the image adheres to certain width and height restrictions
[23:53] <mhall119> and I assume that we're going to allow teams to upload the picture, rather than having it hosted elsewhere, so I'll need to check with IS and make sure we've got a place on the filesystem to store them


[02:56] <cjwatson> wgrant: Thanks, that looks like excellent advice on db-index-bpph-datecreated.  The COUNT(*) did actually come from a real query, but that's because I was using list() on the collection; not totally unreasonable since I wanted the whole collection anyway, but I'd forgotten that it concealed a race.
[02:56] <cjwatson> (And yes, I know it's a silly time.  Fell asleep getting the children to bed and in a slightly odd state of sleepiness as a result; I'm going back to bed soon.)
[02:56] <wgrant> Heh
[02:57] <wgrant> cjwatson: The racy version probably wouldn't be too bad, but the fixes to make it non-racy should be pretty easy I think.
[02:57] <cjwatson> I agree.
[03:02] <cjwatson> Perhaps it makes sense to add a similar ordering parameter to getPublishedSources as well.  We don't need it in this case, but it's easy to imagine, and it's better to keep APIs symmetric where they don't need to be asymmetric.
[03:03] <wgrant> cjwatson: I don't know, anyone using the API would probably be upset by such consistency or sense.
[03:04] <wgrant> The LP API just wouldn't feel the same without smatterings of exact_match=False and the like.
[03:04] <cjwatson> We should be applying PHP design patterns?
[03:04] <wgrant> Precisely.
[03:04] <cjwatson> Noted.
[03:06] <cjwatson> I should probably Stormify getAPB too before my eyes bleed too much.
[03:07] <wgrant> IIRC it has very few internal callsites, so it should be easy enough to port.
[03:07] <cjwatson> Two.
[03:07] <cjwatson> (One of which is annoyingly *almost* test-only.)
[03:08] <cjwatson> Oh, well, two for _getBinaryPublishingBaseClauses, probably more for getAllPublishedBinaries.
[03:40] <blr> pit y            console.log(Y.Node.DOM_EVENTS.key.eventDef.KEY_MAP);
[03:40] <blr> err pity. Only 5 keys in that map
[03:43] <blr> kind of loath to use the charCodes in tests, but adding a new KeyEvent map there seems redundant.
[03:43] <blr> wgrant: anyhow, have some integration tests for nav, and found a bug in the process which was nice.
[03:44] <blr> wgrant: afaict we don't have js unittests?
[03:47] <wgrant> blr: There aren't many proper unit tests, no.
[03:48] <blr> wgrant: a bit more noise in the diff now, I fixed some js lintiness.
[03:50] <blr> wgrant: if we can modernised our js build process, we could consider adopting something like karma.
[03:50] <blr> have used that in the past and it is rather good.
[03:53] <blr> did you have a chance to look at babel?
[03:53] <wgrant> It sounded too good to be true :P
[03:53] <blr> hah right
[03:54] <blr> wgrant: I have a friend at mozilla, I should ask him about it - they're using it apparently.
[04:02] <blr> wgrant: transitioning to something like webpack/babel/gulp seems sensible, but I'm not certain how we do that while also supporting yui3. Suspect it is going to be messy.
[04:08] <wgrant> I suspect it would be reasonably possible to use webpack to load YUI3, but it won't be totally trivial.
[04:18] <blr> something to experiment with a bit later perhaps.
[04:19] <wgrant> Yep.
[05:04] <wgrant> tsk
[05:25] <blr> wgrant: for some reason lp-land wants to uses a curses browser, but firefox is set as my x-www-browser alternative - have you seen that?
[05:25] <wgrant> blr: You're not accidentally running it inside a container?
[05:25] <blr> err... maybe? >.>
[05:25] <blr> thanks
[05:27] <wgrant> Heh, I do that all the time...
[11:57] <cjwatson> wgrant: Hm, inserting StormRangeFactory here is less than trivial; all the uses to date have been in browser code, not webservice.  I think lazr.restful might need some extensions here - perhaps by adding a range_factory to ICollection?
[12:06] <cjwatson> And maybe an optional parameter to export_as_webservice_collection
[12:13] <wgrant> cjwatson: Hmm, you may well be right...
[12:14] <wgrant> It's also possible that launchpadlib won't like it.
[12:14] <wgrant> I remember we ran into this years ago, but we may not have solved it.
[12:14] <cjwatson> I can start in on the lazr.restful changes, though I have the sense of a rabbit-hole
[12:15] <wgrant> Quite.
[12:15] <cjwatson> All I want is ddebs damnit
[12:16] <wgrant> Still, most of the benefit can be gained without SRF
[12:16] <cjwatson> We can't run it reliably without SRF, can we?
[12:16] <wgrant> Because the traversal will be shallow with the collection sanely ordered.
[12:16] <cjwatson> Because the memos will be wrong
[12:16] <wgrant> Oh, yeah.
[12:17] <cjwatson> Although the batch is only going to be shuffled backwards
[12:17] <wgrant> Yeah, in this case it's probably safeish.
[12:17] <wgrant> It can be shuffled the other direction if things get deleted.
[12:17] <cjwatson> That is, the ordering means that the worst case is that elements 76-150 (say) in the batch were previously elements 75-149 or earlier
[12:17] <wgrant> (which they often do, nowdaays)
[12:17] <cjwatson> Oh?  Bah, good point.
[12:18] <cjwatson> So I think I need to at least try to attack this.
[12:18] <wgrant> The alternative, of course, is to let the status filter be omitted.
[12:19] <cjwatson> We arguably want that anyway
[12:19] <wgrant> Quite.
[12:19] <cjwatson> For more reliable retracing, ddeb-retriever wants to catch up with everything, not just what's Published right now
[12:19] <wgrant> Well, that will be achieved eventually with the retracers not using ddebs.u.c at all.
[12:19] <cjwatson> Yes, but not for a while.
[12:20] <wgrant> But I've long wanted a getPublishedBinaries that was designed to be used.
[12:20] <cjwatson> How about I timebox this: I'll spend until end of day today seeing how far I get with inserting SRF
[12:21] <wgrant> Works for me.
[12:21] <cjwatson> If the madness continues I can give up and go for the stupid and duplicative approach.
[13:34] <cjwatson> wgrant: Could I have PyPI access to lazr.batchnavigator, please, so that I can finish up bug 872086 while I'm buried in all of this anyway?
[13:34] <mup> Bug #872086: Distribution:+ppas and Distribution:+questions issue unlimited queries when memo=0&direction=backwards <qa-ok> <regression> <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by rvb> <lazr.batchnavigator:Fix Committed by rvb> <Storm:Fix Released by rvb> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/872086>
[13:34] <cjwatson> wgrant: Maybe also lazr.restful
[13:38] <wgrant> cjwatson: You're cjwatson?
[13:43] <cjwatson> wgrant: Yes.
[13:43] <wgrant> cjwatson: Done.
[13:43] <cjwatson> Thanks
[16:36] <cjwatson> wgrant: Looking harder, I'm not sure what you mean about the status filter.  It can be omitted already and you get publications with any status.
[16:37] <cjwatson> wgrant: I think I have a first cut at the lazr.restful changes, although I'm sufficiently unfamiliar with the lazr.restful test suite that I won't be especially confident in them until I've tried hooking that up to LP.
[22:23] <wgrant> cjwatson: Oh, forgot status was optional.


[00:42] <michi> robru: I just replied to your MR. It was just a few silly typos.
[11:00] <doko> texlive-extra (2015.20160215-1 to 2015.20160223-2)
[11:00] <doko> texlive-htmlxml/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: tex4ht (>= 20051214)
[11:01] <doko> however tex4ht is 20090611-1.1build1. what am I missing?
[11:48] <infinity> doko: Possibly fixed.  Will see after a publisher run or two.
[21:40] <yofel> could someone please add an ignore hint for http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/plasma-framework/xenial/s390x/
[21:40] <yofel> that's building for the wrong version for whatever reason and is holding packages in proposed
[22:32] <infinity> yofel: "building for the wrong version"?
[22:33] <yofel> infinity: it keeps building the tests for 5.15, how do I get it to build 5.18 - or am I misunderstanding how this works?
[22:34] <infinity> yofel: Ahh, I can fix that.
[22:34] <infinity> Looks like someone attempted to fix it two days ago.
[22:34] <infinity> But there were more uploads since.  I see.


[00:00] <bluesabre>  yes, agreed
[00:01] <ochosi> (the only thing we might have to keep in mind is to autoremove lls on the next LTS->LTS upgrade)
[00:02] <bluesabre> yeah, no big deal there
[00:02] <ochosi> if you wanna hack at xfpm-settings, i
[00:02] <ochosi> 'd be up for another 30mins
[00:03] <bluesabre> we're running out to the store now
[00:03] <ochosi> oh right
[00:03] <ochosi> bad timing
[00:03] <bluesabre> I'll get started on it though when I get back
[00:03] <bluesabre> put it in a branch so you can hack on it too :D
[00:04] <ochosi> hm, just a quick question before you run out
[00:04] <bluesabre> k
[00:04] <ochosi> cause i could add the tab to the glade file up front for you
[00:04] <ochosi> but then again, how would you wanna make it conditional?
[00:04] <ochosi> bake it in via a separate builder file?
[00:04] <ochosi> or just show/hide the tab in the code?
[00:04] <bluesabre> we can selectively hide/show the tab
[00:06] <ochosi> right, then i can quickly hack at the ui file and post a diff
[00:06] <ochosi> then you have something to start with
[00:06] <bluesabre> great, that would help a lot
[00:06] <ochosi> i'll leave the gsettings-binds to you
[00:06] <bluesabre> :)
[00:07] <ochosi> note: this'll be based on xfpm-master
[00:07] <bluesabre> bbabl
[00:07] <bluesabre> ok, thats cool with me
[00:07] <ochosi> good, ttyl
[00:07] <ochosi> (or actually, !ttyl :))
[00:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: took a tiny bit longer than 30mins because i re-arranged everything from boxes to a table (cleaner code): http://i.imgur.com/VubvTHB.png
[00:57] <ochosi> this just mirrors the light-locker settings UI now
[00:58] <ochosi> obviously the security-frame in the system-tab has to be hidden when that tab is shown
[00:58] <ochosi> (for the duplicate lock-on-suspend option)
[00:58] <ochosi> and you have to create the callbacks and hook them up to gsettings
[00:58] <ochosi> and finally you have to fill the combobox for the auto-lock-modes
[00:58] <ochosi> but that's it
[00:59] <ochosi> (ok, i forgot: the late-locking option needs its own format in order to display seconds instead of minutes)
[01:05] <ochosi> excuse the ridiculously long widget-names, but (1) consistency and (2) avoiding potential conflict with other widgets that might get added to xfpm-settings was the idea behind it
[01:05] <ochosi> http://dpaste.com/301PJNA
[01:05] <ochosi> there ya go ^
[01:05] <ochosi> and i'm out
[01:06] <ochosi> nighty all
[01:42] <ochosi> Unit193: just so you know, i assigned a mini-workitem to you, since you're now part of -dev ;)
[01:43] <ochosi> Noskcaj: btw, i tested bluez5 and found no issues so far. is there anything you're expecting to happen/break?
[01:59] <Noskcaj> ochosi, as long as blueman isn't breaking, we're all good
[02:03] <Noskcaj> I have nothing to do with bluez5 now, just hoping it will be done soon
[02:24] <Unit193> ochosi: Right, though shouldn't do it yet, since xfpm still doesn't have it. :P
[09:09] <brainwash> ochosi: you've marked the parole bug as invalid despite "Also, it does not matter whether the option to prevent the screen saver is on or off in parole preferences."
[09:09] <brainwash> is this problem not a bug in the parole code?
[10:07] <ochosi> brainwash: hm right, yeah, there seems to be a different problem, forgot about that one
[10:07] <brainwash> ochosi: I was about to mark the ubuntu report as invalid also, but I noticed this little detail then
[10:09] <brainwash> It's possible that fixing xdg-screensaver will make changes to the parole code unnecessary though
[10:11] <ochosi> nah, there is something fishy there
[10:11] <ochosi> not sure, we'll have to look at it
[10:11] <ochosi> seems like it always prevents the screensaver, independently of the setting
[10:11] <ochosi> plus it resets it to default when the setting is off
[10:11] <ochosi> so there's definitely a problem here
[10:16] <brainwash> I'll take a closer look later, it shouldn't be that hard to fix
[10:16] <ochosi> okeydokey, bbl
[11:02] <bluesabre> ochosi: I started work on xfpm and light-locker packaging last night, will probably get it done today... nothing to commit or upload yet
[11:02] <bluesabre> I think we used hoards of boxes because its difficult to nicely position elements otherwise, but we should be able to get by
[11:08] <bluesabre> usually a bit more limited with gtk2
[11:10] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[11:10] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[11:10] <ochosi> well actually i was using more tables, but hjudt redid it all with boxes because of the potentially long translations and stuff
[11:10] <ochosi> anyway, for the light-locker tab it's fine to use a table
[11:10] <bluesabre> ah, gotcha
[11:11] <ochosi> xfpm packaging? you mean 1.4.2?
[11:11] <bluesabre> no, light-locker packaging
[11:11] <bluesabre> for 1.5.1
[11:11] <ochosi> ah ok
[11:11] <bluesabre> :)
[11:11] <ochosi> ah got it now :)
[11:12] <bluesabre> should be pretty painless to plug light-locker in though, I think I can do it tonight
[11:12] <ochosi> nice
[11:13] <brainwash> do the elementary guys include light-locker into their settings interface?
[11:13] <bluesabre> they will probably write a plug for it
[11:13] <ochosi> i'll talk to the others about whether we want that patch upstream as well, since it detects light-locker and all
[11:13] <ochosi> yeah, they either have been working on it already or are working on it
[11:14] <ochosi> but also included in some security/privacy plug i think
[11:14] <brainwash> light-locker-settings will not be maintained anymore?
[11:14] <ochosi> nope
[11:14] <brainwash> ok :)
[11:14] <ochosi> everybody can change settings via dconf-editor et al now
[11:14] <bluesabre> I'll probably do another patch to make lls work
[11:14] <ochosi> meh :)
[11:14] <bluesabre> not everybody will use xfpm
[11:14] <ochosi> i thought we were getting rid of maintenance load here
[11:15] <ochosi> yeah true, but then again, gsettings...
[11:15] <bluesabre> we can ask for it to be removed from the archive then
[11:15] <bluesabre> I don't want something with our names on it to not work ;)
[11:15] <ochosi> also, there was a plan to have a cli switches to change light-locker's settings
[11:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: well, we can just add a note: "works with light-locker <=1.4"
[11:16] <ochosi> imo that's enough
[11:16] <bluesabre> right
[11:16] <bluesabre> but it would need to be removed from the archive
[11:16] <ochosi> or saying "this piece of software is deprecated and only works with..."
[11:16] <bluesabre> where light-locker 1.5.1 will now reside
[11:16] <ochosi> yeah
[11:16] <ochosi> true
[11:17] <bluesabre> or we can just patch it for the new gsettings (minimal work) and users can enjoy it
[11:17] <ochosi> i was actually thinking of the launchpad page for some reason
[11:17] <ochosi> heh, as you wish
[11:17] <bluesabre> :)
[11:17] <ochosi> as long as you promise that we do this *after* the workitems i added last night
[11:18] <bluesabre> ofc
[11:18] <bluesabre> lls is not top priority
[11:18] <ochosi> (cause i know you love python and would much rather do that then work on xfpm)
[11:18] <bluesabre> but Unit193, do not drop from the archive until I've uploaded the fixes for lls
[11:18] <bluesabre> otherwise will have a fun time trying to sponsor
[11:25] <Unit193> Archive being seed? :)
[11:25] <ochosi> :)
[11:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: I wasn't going to drop until xfpm got the fix, or until the new one was usable that is.  Besides, isn't Lubuntu the "only" other seeder of it?  They have xfpm (though, issues with OnlyShowIn=xfce)
[11:28] <ochosi> yeah, i think lubuntu is the only one
[11:28] <ochosi> what do -studio and myth- do?
[11:28] <Unit193> Don't know, but they don't directly seed it.
[11:29] <Unit193> Then there is also Debian #745509, but not really your problem.
[11:31] <Unit193> ochosi: xscreensaver.
[11:36] <bluesabre> k
[11:36] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:36] <ochosi> ttyl bluesabre
[11:38] <ochosi> hmpf, indicator-sound is still a bit borked with gtk3.14
[11:39] <ochosi> yay custom widgetry
[11:39] <bluesabre> I'll also try to get indicator things added to the seed today, unless you guys want to poke it
[11:40] <bluesabre> really bbl
[11:40] <ochosi> Unit193: ^ ?
[11:40] <ochosi> k :)
[11:40] <Unit193> Hmm?
[11:42] <ochosi> the indicator things for ubiquity
[11:42] <ochosi> (at least i assume that's what bluesabre meant with "indicator things")
[11:42] <ochosi> has that commit of yours even been looked at/merged yet?
[11:46] <Unit193> I'd presume he means add indicator-{sound,application} to the packageset, because I know of nothing else.  And not that I know of, no.
[11:55] <ochosi> have you subscribed xnox to it yet?
[11:57] <Unit193> I may not have, yeah.
[12:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: please don't forget to actually approve the MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubiquity/xfwm4-panel/+merge/244437
[12:12] <Unit193> Into Ubiquity itself? :)
[12:13] <ochosi> well you asked for his review
[12:13] <ochosi> not sure xnox will approve if there's another MR-review pending
[18:06] <ochosi> knome: thanks for replying to Ridell, i thought we don't have to actively opt-out of a1 (otherwise i'd have sent an email to -release earlier already)
[18:27] <elfy> ochosi: we might not need to actively optout - but I got asked (same time as knome) so it's only polite to reply :)
[21:13] <knome> ochosi, what elfy said :)
[23:52] <bluesabre> ochosi, Unit193: if there are panel indicator things, then yes
[23:53] <ochosi> oh hey bluesabre
[23:53] <bluesabre> otherwise, I was talking about libindicator et
[23:53] <ochosi> oh, the python thingy for bluetooth?
[23:54] <bluesabre> yeah, that one
[23:54] <bluesabre> but I can get to that tonight now that I am home
[23:57] <ochosi> cool