[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford: haven't seen you around in a while
[09:08] <Admiral_Chicago> been busy?
[09:08] <AlexLatchford> well, yes and no
[09:08] <AlexLatchford> my email has been having issues
[09:08] <AlexLatchford> host blocked most of my mailing lists
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> oh yes, I saw that
[09:09] <AlexLatchford> and have been working on school too
[09:09] <AlexLatchford> think I may have them sorted and ill be at the meeting tomorrow
[09:09] <AlexLatchford> do we have an agenda yet?
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, i'll be at the meeting as well
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> good question
[09:09] <AlexLatchford> hmm, no
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> no we don't...okay that is a problem
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> i emailed the list
[09:13] <AlexLatchford> me too lol
[09:13] <AlexLatchford> what code are you working on?
[09:13] <Admiral_Chicago> a GUI in Java to handle a grid. very basic right now but it needs to do some interesting things like 3D rotation etc eventually
[09:14] <AlexLatchford> nice
[09:14] <Admiral_Chicago> its a pain, I forget how to do all the canvas stuff in java
[09:15] <AlexLatchford> ive never programmed in java, however i may be having to learn it for a job I may work at in the summer
[09:19] <Admiral_Chicago> what have you worked in?
[09:21] <AlexLatchford> Python mainly on the desktop, but I do most of my code in PHP/AJAX
[09:22] <AlexLatchford> I produce web objects and AJAX interfaces
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> oh ya you told me that once iirc
[10:51] <asac> hi all
[10:51] <asac> any urgent businees?
[10:51] <ajmitch> hi
[10:52] <ajmitch> thanks for raising the issue about separate libnss/nspr with debian
[10:52] <asac> ajmitch: sure ... in feisty+1 we hopefully will have it
[10:53] <ajmitch> good, I've got FDS built against the current libnss & libnspr, but that may need to change in future
[10:53] <asac> actually i am pretty sure about libnss/nspr ... not yet so sure if we use system-xul (e.g. xulrunner) for ffox & friends
[10:53] <asac> FDS?
[10:53] <asac> whats that?
[10:53] <ajmitch> fedora directory server
[10:53] <asac> ah :)
[10:54] <ajmitch> but I had to package svrcore & mozldap, which I'll try & push into debian as well :)
[10:54] <ajmitch> thunderbird uses its own mozldap, the previous API
[10:54] <ajmitch> not sure if it'll work with 6.x
[10:54] <asac> mozldap? is that the ldap lib used by tbird?
[10:54] <asac> ah
[10:54] <asac> ok
[10:54] <asac> mozldap you use ships from trunk ?
[10:54] <ajmitch> it'd be nice to get ffox & tbird working without bundling 101 libs
[10:55] <ajmitch> probably, it's on ftp.m.o as a separate tarball
[10:55] <asac> hmm ... maybe its from 2.0 branch, which thunderbird has not yet released from
[10:55] <ajmitch> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/directory/c-sdk/releases/v6.0.2/src if you're interested
[10:56] <ajmitch> I still have to do some cleanups in the packages before they can go anywhere
[10:58] <asac> what is fds? something like MS-AD ?
[10:58] <ajmitch> it's an LDAP server
[10:58] <asac> or just a plain ldap?
[10:59] <ajmitch> AD is LDAP with plenty of bits bolted on & tied together
[10:59] <ajmitch> which is being replicated by samba4
[10:59] <ajmitch> all those windows specific bits & schemas, etc
[10:59] <asac> what i referred to is that AD is used for network/system administration
[11:00] <asac> just wondered if FDS is used for the same :)
[11:00] <ajmitch> yes, and FDS can be used for that
[11:00] <asac> ok
[11:00] <ajmitch> we're working to make the integration a whole lot better :)
[11:01] <asac> and fds uses mozldap? ... interesting.
[11:02] <ajmitch> fds used to be netscape directory server
[11:03] <asac> ah ... that makes sense then.
[11:03] <asac> is it even free?
[11:04] <ajmitch> sure
[11:04] <ajmitch> redhat bought it, freed the code
[11:05] <asac> great ;)
[11:05] <ajmitch> the main server core is gpl+linking exception
[11:06] <asac> you filed an ITP @debian ?
[11:06] <asac> for mozldap?
[11:07] <asac> cool bugs became 6-digits in the night
[11:07] <asac> bug 100007
[11:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 100007 in firefox "firefox crashed " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100007
[11:07] <asac> so what is bug 100000
[11:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 100000 in malone "There are still too many bug reports" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100000
[11:07] <asac> lol
[11:08] <ajmitch> not yet, I really should file those ITPs
[11:12] <asac> yeah :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> dont kill me but im testing this.
[12:18] <gnomefreak> !ops
[12:18] <ubotu> Help! dfarning, hjmf, Yawner, asac, Admiral_Chicago, or gnomefreak
[12:18] <gnomefreak> goodie :)
[12:43] <hjmf> what are we going to talk about in the meeting?
[12:43] <hjmf> there aren't any points in the agenda
[12:43] <hjmf> :/
[12:47] <gnomefreak> most likely nothing :(
[12:47] <gnomefreak> everyone wanted meeting 1 time a month so i set it up
[12:48] <gnomefreak> sent 4 or so emails to list and never got a reply
[12:49] <hjmf> quite weird :(
[12:50] <gnomefreak> i sent one out yesterday or sat. about it i havent checked mail since than though
[12:52] <hjmf> Thu, 29 Mar 2007 is the last one I've received
[01:22] <asac> ole
[01:46] <asac> gnomefreak: you ever succeeded with iceape?
[01:46] <asac> e.g. with disabling patch we talked about?
[01:50] <gnomefreak> nope
[01:50] <gnomefreak> it wont build in sid or feisty :( same errors
[01:52] <gnomefreak> im thinking its a problem with the make file but i dont know where to begin to look at debugging builds. it fails during "make" i get past configure with no issues
[01:52] <gnomefreak> asac: have you tried to build it yet?
[01:54] <gnomefreak> was thinking rules file but that just pretty much gives "make" command with parameters/flags afaik
[01:54] <asac> i will try
[01:54] <asac> you have url to .dsc and .diff.gz ? (me is lazy :))
[01:55] <gnomefreak> yeah let me get it
[01:55] <asac> and .orig.tar.gz of course :)
[01:55] <gnomefreak> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/iceape
[01:56] <gnomefreak> its all at bottom assuming thats .orig.tar
[01:56] <gnomefreak> well nvm it says it is :(
[01:57] <gnomefreak> i want to say its failing at around "make" for iceape-calendar but hard to say
[02:02] <hjmf> asac: bug 85020 maybe related to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345309 ; not the same stacktrace but quite similar
[02:02] <ubotu> Malone bug 85020 in firefox "[edgy]  Firefox Crashed [@CNSAdapter_NSPR::JDFileDesc_To_FD]  [@JavaPluginFactory5::CreateSecureEnv] " [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85020
[02:02] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 345309 in Java: OJI "java crashes on opensolaris [@ PR _Close - CNSAdapter_NSPR::JD_Close] " [Critical,New]
[02:06] <asac> gnomefreak: ty
[02:06] <asac> hjmf: looking
[02:06] <gnomefreak> asac: yw let me know what you come up with please.
[02:06] <asac> hmmm bugzilla bot should include url as well
[02:07] <gnomefreak> it doesnt build on sid and i found that strange
[02:07] <asac> ho can take care?
[02:07] <asac> who
[02:07] <gnomefreak> asac: it will if he didnt use the URL
[02:07] <asac> ah:)
[02:07] <asac> blind me
[02:07] <gnomefreak> mozilla 345309
[02:07] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah its strange
[02:07] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 345309 in Java: OJI "java crashes on opensolaris [@ PR _Close - CNSAdapter_NSPR::JD_Close] " [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345309
[02:07] <asac> i try
[02:07] <gnomefreak> see :)
[02:08] <asac> hjmf: we already have duplicates?
[02:08] <asac> iirc, there has been at least one :)
[02:08] <gnomefreak> i figured id let you get intouch with the maintainers since you know them if it is indeed thier issue. i havent tried building seamonkey from mozilla but that was another thought i had
[02:08] <asac> but its not marked
[02:09] <asac> gnomefreak: probably it needs some build depends from experimental as well
[02:09] <asac> but lets see :)
[02:11] <hjmf> right bug 86002
[02:11] <ubotu> Malone bug 86002 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash in java [@JavaPluginFactory5::CreateSecureEnv]  [@ProxyJNIEnv] " [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86002
[02:11] <hjmf> my fault and malone searching tool :)
[02:13] <asac> is upstream already marked properly?
[02:13] <asac> actually i have two topics now for agenda :) -> bughelper + apport hooks for feisty
[02:15] <hjmf> Bug #86002 has no upstream mark if that is what you asked
[02:16] <hjmf> ... I'm reviewing those 28x mt-confirm tagged bugs to find dups
[02:19] <asac> only 28 mt-confirm in need info ... great ... thought my backlog was much more :)
[02:19] <gnomefreak> me be back in an hour or so.
[02:19] <asac> k
[02:19] <asac> gnomefreak: spinning ape now
[02:20] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[02:20] <gnomefreak> about 10-20 minutes in give or take is when it fails
[02:22] <asac> in which module did it fail?
[02:22] <asac> you remember?
[02:22] <asac> anyway, lets see, so nevermind
[02:22] <hjmf> asac 28x = 289 :)
[02:23] <asac> hehe
[02:23] <asac> ;)
[02:24] <asac> thats more what i expected
[02:24] <asac> 289 out of 700 + something
[02:24] <asac> all crashes that have at least one dupe need a master :)
[02:25] <asac> gnomefreak: does it fail in the same way in debian?
[02:36] <hjmf> k
[02:37] <asac> honestly, i have to admit that i should try to find a regular timeslot to do mt-confirm bugs
[02:39] <asac> gnomefreak: interesting thing is that iceape fails differently in feisty, than in sid
[02:39] <asac> for sid its all clear
[02:39] <asac> apparenlty the orig.tar.bz2 has been stripped down too much
[02:39] <asac> in the procedure of freeing the sources
[02:40] <asac> for feisty we have a compiler bug (at least it looks like)
[02:40] <asac> which might have a workaround
[02:40] <asac> but i don't get why we see this bug
[02:41] <asac> gnomefreak: in edgy it should build
[02:41] <asac> (well will fail the same way as sid)
[03:09] <gnomefreak> edgy will fail as sid did or it should build?
[03:21] <asac> gnomefreak: you have to fix tarball i guess
[03:21] <asac> wait a second
[03:22] <asac> gnomefreak: remove everything from iceape and do this
[03:23] <asac> in edgy
[03:23] <asac> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5642
[03:23] <asac> then sqlite3.h should be available and build should succeed
[03:26] <gnomefreak> define everything
[03:26] <gnomefreak> all patches?
[03:27] <gnomefreak> or do you mean remove EVERYTHING and use the commands/script on the pastebin?
[03:33] <asac> yeah ... the latter ... however it still fails. sqlite3.h is somehow removed during build
[03:33] <asac> wierd
[03:37] <gnomefreak> that was the error i was getting i think on feisty after removing that one xpcom patch
[03:37] <asac> really?
[03:38] <asac> then the patch is probably indeed the problem :)
[03:38] <gnomefreak> yeah im pretty sure it was feisty
[03:38] <asac> same should end up in sid afaik
[03:38] <asac> so what did you remove from xpcom patch ... complete disable?
[03:39] <gnomefreak> disable. just added the # to it in the 00list
[03:39] <gnomefreak> make[4] : *** No rule to make target `sqlite3.h', needed by `export'.  Stop.
[03:40] <asac> ok
[03:40] <gnomefreak> that might have been sid chroot
[03:40] <asac> yeah thats the same for unmodified sid
[03:40] <asac> hmm
[03:41] <asac> no problem :)
[03:42] <asac> it builds ... you upload :)
[03:42] <gnomefreak> sid should build fine if experimental did i assume
[03:42] <asac> somehow you didn't upload the right sources for the binaries you send up
[03:42] <asac> :)
[03:42] <gnomefreak> me?
[03:42] <asac> no you ... as in they
[03:44] <asac> however i have no idea why sqlite3.h is wiped during build
[03:44] <asac> must be something obvious :)
[03:45] <asac> here it is
[03:45] <asac> debian/patches/60_distclean.dpatch:+GARBAGE += sqlite3.h
[03:45] <asac> wtf is going on?
[03:46] <asac> i guess this should be (if at all) DIST_GARBAGE
[03:46] <gnomefreak> lol its not gonna be a right in your face thing (im going to assume that)
[03:47] <gnomefreak> why isnt mysql a build dep if it needs sqlite3 for build
[03:47] <asac> good question ... I guess storage supports two backends
[03:48] <asac> mysql support is probably a proof of concept only
[03:48] <asac> :)
[03:48] <asac> anyway, it allows you to store your calendar in mysql
[03:48] <asac> which is not that bad imo
[03:48] <gnomefreak> i dont see how it is imporant to the build at all
[03:48] <asac> especially in corporate environments
[03:48] <gnomefreak> ah nvm i see
[03:48] <asac> you can choose mysql to store things :) ... yes.
[03:49] <asac> ok redoing with new patch ... lets see
[03:49] <gnomefreak> trying on feisty?
[03:50] <asac> yes
[03:50] <asac> will build i guess :)
[03:50] <gnomefreak> k
[03:50] <asac> 1. disable xpcom
[03:50] <asac> then fix patch
[03:51] <asac> actually i think it will build for the first time you run the build after checkout
[03:51] <asac> because sqlite3.h is only wiped before next build
[03:51] <gnomefreak> fix patch doesnt tell me anything :) i didnt use checkout
[03:51] <asac> you have patch
[03:51] <asac> see above
[03:51] <asac> debian/patches/60_distclean.dpatch:+GARBAGE += sqlite3.h
[03:51] <asac> ->
[03:52] <asac> debian/patches/60_distclean.dpatch:+DIST_GARBAGE += sqlite3.h
[03:52] <asac> ok spinning
[03:52] <asac> i let you know
[03:52] <asac> did fail pretty fast
[03:52] <asac> last time
[03:52] <gnomefreak> ok i have 60_distclean.dpatch
[03:53] <asac> yes ... there is the line above
[03:53] <asac> you have to change
[03:53] <asac> search for sqlite3.h
[03:54] <asac> maybe that is not even garbage at all ... if it is it can only be DIST_GARBAGE as source files cannot be GARBAGE in general
[03:55] <gnomefreak> diff -ruN iceape-1.0.5.orig/db/sqlite3/src/Makefile.in iceape-1.0.5/db/sqlite3/src/Makefile.in
[03:55] <asac> might be ... the line should look like that
[03:55] <asac> i pasted above
[03:56] <gnomefreak> ah hers +GARBAGE += sqlite3
[03:56] <gnomefreak> .h
[03:56] <gnomefreak> +GARBAGE += sqlite3.h
[03:56] <asac> yes
[03:56] <asac> that must be DIST_GARBAGE
[03:56] <asac> (if at all)
[03:56] <asac> but DIST_GARBAGE should do no harm
[03:57] <gnomefreak> ok so +DIST_GARBAGE += sqlite3.h?
[03:57] <gnomefreak> change it to that?
[03:57] <asac> y
[03:57] <asac> bad news
[03:57] <asac> in feisty dropping xpcom_hack
[03:57] <gnomefreak> still fails
[03:57] <asac> does not fix the compiler error
[03:57] <asac> in sid it should build
[03:57] <asac> will try
[03:57] <gnomefreak> i know
[03:57] <gnomefreak> ok i should still change that line in patch
[03:58] <asac> y
[03:58] <gnomefreak> ok added DIST_ to it now save and try to build?
[03:58] <asac> still wonder, why are getting compile error ... afaik firefox builds the same code
[03:58] <asac> y
[03:58] <asac> if you did clean before
[03:59] <asac> otherwise you have to revert patch, run fakeroot ./debian/rules clean ... then change patch again and build
[03:59] <gnomefreak> i did that a while ago this morning and didnt try building after that yet
[03:59] <asac> k
[03:59] <gnomefreak> ill run it to be on sfe side :)
[04:00] <gnomefreak> safe even
[04:00] <gnomefreak> do you remember what xpcom patch it was?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> that we disabled?
[04:01] <gnomefreak> ok found it
[04:01] <asac> gnomefreak: you have to start from fresh sources ... as sqlite3.h is already removed for you
[04:02] <gnomefreak> i have to regrab source?
[04:02] <asac> reextract tarball
[04:02] <gnomefreak> ok i will use the thing you wrote and start fresh :)
[04:02] <asac> yeah
[04:02] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[04:02] <asac> at best don't use export
[04:02] <asac> but checkoiut
[04:02] <asac> checkout
[04:02] <asac> in svn
[04:02] <asac> command
[04:02] <asac> then you can svn update
[04:02] <asac> when fixes land in repository
[04:03] <asac> you need svn installed
[04:03] <asac> ^^ package svn
[04:03] <gnomefreak> svn checkout ......?
[04:03] <asac> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5645
[04:04] <asac> you have to start from seamonkey...tar.gz
[04:05] <asac> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5646
[04:05] <asac> thats the final version :)
[04:05] <gnomefreak> reinstalling subversion :(
[04:05] <asac> ok ... here the post-final one: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5647
[04:06] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:06] <gnomefreak> ok goes to get seamonkey source
[04:07] <gnomefreak> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/  <<< that tar?
[04:09] <asac> releases
[04:09] <asac> 1.1.1
[04:09] <asac> no
[04:10] <asac> http://ftp.mozilla.org/...
[04:10] <gnomefreak> thats where im heading
[04:10] <asac> http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/1.1.1/
[04:10] <gnomefreak> ah ty
[04:10] <gnomefreak> bz2 or gz or does it matter?
[04:12] <gnomefreak> ok grabbing it. its gonna be a while since connection is already working its butt off on another download
[04:13] <asac> doesn't matter
[04:13] <asac> as long as you pull sources :)
[04:14] <gnomefreak> ok bbl im going for my daily walk with gf and baby ;)
[04:17] <asac> sure
[04:17] <asac> have fun
[04:33] <asac> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20218
[04:33] <asac> i think thats the bug we are hit when building iceape in feisty
[04:34] <asac> however there is a patch for that bug included .. maybe i should see if there is a newer version in bugzilla
[04:38] <asac> ok iceape built in sid
[04:45] <asac> ah ... i think i know the problem
[04:54] <asac> gnomefreak: i think iceape builds now here for me
[04:58] <asac> gnomefreak: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/20_visibility.dpatch
[04:58] <asac> replace the one currently in
[04:58] <asac> i will check it into svn
[04:59] <asac> when you can confirm that it fixes things for you in feisty as well
[04:59] <asac> (e.g. i386) ... i just tested x86_64
[05:21] <asac> gnomefreak: iceape built successfully ... let me know if it works for you as well
[05:33] <asac> good ape works like a charm
[05:33] <asac> have fun
[05:35] <asac> hjmf: for me dbgsym appear to work
[05:35] <asac> e.g. by just adding -g
[05:36] <asac> and generating without noopt
[05:36] <asac> lets see i will try with noopt; maybe this causes the problems
[06:13] <asac> hjmf: if i don't use noopt, dbgsym works fine
[06:13] <asac> maybe you need to force install because you had not right versions?
[06:37] <gnomefreak> asac: what about the 80_libxpcom_hack patch? disable it remove it leave it enabled?
[06:40] <asac> can be reenabled i guess
[06:40] <asac> e.g. should be :)
[06:42] <gnomefreak> k ill try it :)
[06:46] <gnomefreak> ok here we go :/
[06:47] <gnomefreak> ill let you know what happens than i will build it for ubuntu ;)
[06:52] <asac> yeah great
[06:55] <gnomefreak> there are 2 libs that are build depends for iceape we dont have in repos but it automaticly switches to our version when you try to install them. im thinking of changing them in control to use our libs
[06:56] <gnomefreak> i would have to look at them again since i dont remember off hand what ones they are
[06:56] <asac> ??
[06:57] <asac> i had non of these problems
[06:58] <gnomefreak> they are not a problem. but when you install them sudo apt-get install lib.... it will tell you it used libx instead and is newest version
[06:58] <gnomefreak> but just to keep it ubuntu i was gonna change it
[06:58] <gnomefreak> fudge
[06:58] <gnomefreak> it failed
[06:59] <gnomefreak> have to disable the libxpcom patch
[07:00] <asac> i don't think so
[07:00] <asac> where did it fail?
[07:00] <gnomefreak> it failed with the xpcom failure
[07:01] <asac> which one?
[07:01] <gnomefreak> i dont have it atm i ran fakeroot clean and lost it since i didnt pipe build.log
[07:01] <asac> k
[07:02] <asac> if it builds without that patch let me know
[07:02] <gnomefreak> will do
[07:02] <gnomefreak> this time im piping the output
[07:10] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm lots of javascript parameters not used
[07:10] <gnomefreak> why would they be there if they are not used?
[07:11] <asac> ?
[07:11] <asac> if you talk about compiler warnings, nevermind :)
[07:11] <gnomefreak> jsxml has unsed parameters and a bunch of others
[07:12] <asac> if those are just warnings its not a problem ... assume authors know what they are doing
[07:12] <gnomefreak> really need to set my scrollback higher when this is done
[07:14] <gnomefreak> xpt_arena.c:184: warning: unused parameter arena
[07:14] <gnomefreak> is one example that one isnt js though
[07:15] <gnomefreak> jsxml.c:5344: warning: unused parameter cx
[07:15] <gnomefreak> those type of warnings
[07:15] <gnomefreak> still failed damnit
[07:16] <gnomefreak> make[3] : *** [libxpcom_compat.so]  Error 1
[07:16] <gnomefreak> thats what made me disable the hack patch but still fails
[07:17] <gnomefreak> asac: this might be more informative:
[07:17] <gnomefreak> SystemDirectoriesKey] +0x1c): undefined reference to `nsHashKey::Write(nsIObjectOutputStream*) const'
[07:17] <gnomefreak> /usr/bin/ld: libxpcom_compat.so: hidden symbol `nsHashtable::Get(nsHashKey*)' isn't defined
[07:17] <asac> you have log?
[07:17] <gnomefreak> yep
[07:17] <asac> can you paste the "configure" part?
[07:17] <gnomefreak> k
[07:17] <asac> so just the first hundred lines or so :)
[07:20] <gnomefreak> i think i got a few make lines in there
[07:20] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/421141
[07:21] <gnomefreak> it created a bunch of libxpcom things
[07:22] <gnomefreak> somewhere around line 1180
[07:24] <gnomefreak> re-enabled xpcom_hack patch but i will wait a bit before rebuilding
[07:33] <gnomefreak> asac: is that enough of the log to tell?
[07:33] <asac> yes
[07:33] <asac> enough
[07:34] <asac> the visibility hidden bug checks in configure are broken
[07:34] <asac> sorry i forgot :)
[07:34] <asac> you need another patch to make the 20_visibility patch active
[07:34] <gnomefreak> its all good ;)
[07:35] <asac> http://people.debian.org/~asac/99_configure.dpatch
[07:35] <gnomefreak> ty
[07:35] <asac> replace the currently existing as wenn
[07:35] <asac> well
[07:35] <asac> ok ... got to go ... be back later
[07:36] <gnomefreak> k ill let you know :)
[07:45] <gnomefreak> asac: lol applying patch 80_libxpcom_hack to ./ ... failed.
[07:45] <gnomefreak> im gonna try with it disabled :(
[08:10] <gnomefreak> asac: with both of your patches and xpcom commented out again here is the full log. http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/421197
[09:39] <hjmf> asac: obviously I'm doing something wrong because the -dbgsym package is too small
[09:50] <hjmf> out for a while
[10:07] <asac> gnomefreak: you did not fix the sqlite patch
[10:08] <asac> e.g. GARBAGE -> DIST_GARBAGE
[10:08] <asac> libxpcom should apply
[10:09] <asac> better start from clean iceape ... e.g. checkout from svn
[10:09] <asac> then overwrite patches I gave you
[10:09] <asac> fix the garbage thing
[10:09] <asac> and rebuild
[10:09] <asac> i guess you started from experimental iceape tar.gz
[10:09] <asac> which is already broken
[10:10] <asac> so you need the svn way to get a good orig.tar.gz that contains sqlite3.h
[10:33] <hjmf> asac: absolute weird, if I run directly: ~$ pkg_create_dbgsym mozilla-thunderbird /path-to-mozilla-thunderbird/sources/
[10:33] <hjmf> then the size is OK :
[10:33] <hjmf> ls -l mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1_i386.ddeb
[10:33] <hjmf> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 50377098 Mar  7 14:09 mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1_i386.ddeb
[10:34] <hjmf> Though I'm still getting the (no debugging symbols found) warning in gdb
[10:35] <hjmf> ... and of course the backtrace is useless
[10:39] <asac> hmm
[10:39] <asac> wierd thing
[10:39] <asac> ah
[10:39] <asac> :)
[10:40] <hjmf> I think I'm messing too much things at this late our :)
[10:40] <asac> so you cannot build automgically?
[10:40] <asac> yeah, like s/our/hour/ :-D
[10:40] <asac> :-P
[10:40] <hjmf> lol
[10:40] <hjmf> I've built today with same results I got yesterday
[10:41] <hjmf> the dbgsym package is too small
[10:41] <asac> i really can't tell ... probably you should retry :) with clean thing
[10:41] <asac> i successfully did it
[10:41] <asac> both with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noopt
[10:41] <asac> and without
[10:41] <asac> with that option: no debugging symbols found
[10:41] <asac> without that option: fine!
[10:41] <asac> i just added to -g to the no noopt case in debian/rules
[10:42] <hjmf> I'm too newbie at it and I cant tell you what I'm doing wrong, the last test I did (desperate) was with...
[10:42] <hjmf> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip noopt"
[10:43] <hjmf> from a howto :)
[10:43] <hjmf> ofcourse always adding the -g option as you told me
[10:44] <asac> which howto?
[10:44] <asac> yeah ... thats wrong
[10:44] <asac> if you build thunderbird with noopt
[10:44] <asac> it is build without optimization
[10:44] <asac> result: debug symbols will not match those of released binaries
[10:44] <asac> so -> no debugging symbols
[10:44] <hjmf> not sure, which howto, I think was some about building dbg packages :/
[10:44] <asac> if that is really the standard way to do, we would need to do optimization even for noopt
[10:45] <asac> ok ... i told you before :) ... so not my fault ... spinning just plain without any option is your friend
[10:45] <hjmf> :)
[10:46] <hjmf> I'm going to leave it building with your hints and see how it looks tomorrow
[10:46] <asac> yeah :)
[10:46] <hjmf> good night :)
[10:46] <asac> hjmf: good night
[11:13] <gnomefreak> thought i did
[11:13] <gnomefreak> relooking
[11:17] <gnomefreak> reverting patch 60_distclean from ./ ... failed.
[11:18] <gnomefreak>  LOCAL_INCLUDES += -I$(srcdir)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> +
[11:18] <gnomefreak> +DIST_GARBAGE += sqlite3.h
[11:18] <gnomefreak> asac: that is the change right?
[11:19] <asac> yes
[11:19] <gnomefreak> its failing during fakeroot clean after changing
[11:19] <asac> yeah your patch state is messed up (e.g. if failed) ... you have to start from beginning
[11:19] <asac> you probably changed patch without clean first
[11:19] <asac> (once)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> i can get rid of debbian and go with svn again
[11:53] <gnomefreak> ok re did it all step by step and change the patch and replaced the 2 now i run fakeroot clean than build :)
[12:04] <asac> gnomefreak: did you fix the sqlite patch?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Bug 100100
[12:07] <ubotu> Malone bug 100100 in firefox "www.helsingborg.se looks strange in firefox, looks good in windows with same ff-version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/100100
[12:07] <gnomefreak> oh wtf
[12:08] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get a minute can you look at bug 100100
[12:08] <gnomefreak> am i here
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yay its still building :)


[02:39] <Pikkachu> is this channel suitable for questions about ppas?
[02:42] <micahg> depends, if it's about how to package something, #ubuntu-packaging would be more appropriate, if it's other stuff, probably here is better
[02:43] <nigelb> oh wow. this is the second time this week. I type out half a response and micahg reponds before me :P
[02:48] <lifeless> nigelb: slacker ;P
[02:49] <nigelb> lifeless: Hah
[03:26] <Pikkachu> micahg: ok thanks...
[03:30] <Pikkachu> where can I talk about how autistic some pidgin/purple-pack developers look like? seriously...I wanted purple plugin pack 2.7 packaged for oneiric...current version is from natty yet
[03:31] <micahg> !coc | Pikkachu
[03:32] <Pikkachu> micahg: ok ok
[03:32] <Pikkachu> micahg: how about the matter
[03:33] <micahg> #ubuntu-motu for asking about new versions for that (answer is that we get it unchanged from Debian and they haven't updated it)
[03:33] <nigelb> 32
[03:34] <nigelb> ugh, sorry.
[03:35] <Pikkachu> micahg: they said the guy responsible for building the debs just disappeared and no one took his job over
[06:07] <madrazr> Hello everyone, https://launchpad.net/~madhusudancs/+archive/madhusudancs/+build/3234355 does this mean that I have to wait for 8 more hours for my package to build?
[06:17] <fairuz_> hi guys.. I try to upload my first ppa (following the guide) with dput. It finished ok but I don't see the ppa in my ppa page. Any additional step to do this
[06:18] <fairuz_> ?
[06:18] <madrazr> fairuz_: do you see a mail?
[06:18] <madrazr> fairuz_: and also have you setup your opengpg keys?
[06:18] <fairuz_> madrazr: no
[06:19] <fairuz_> madrazr: opengpg yes
[06:19] <madrazr> fairuz_: I ran into the same problem just yesterday
[06:20] <fairuz_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/855033/
[06:20] <madrazr> fairuz_: if you have your keys verified on launchpad before uploading your package to PPA, you should see an email
[06:20] <fairuz_> It means it is good right? hmm
[06:20] <fairuz_> oh I setup the keys long time ago
[06:20] <fairuz_> so yes I have that email about the keys
[06:20] <madrazr> fairuz_: are you sure it is verified?
[06:20] <madrazr> can I look at your PPA page?
[06:20] <fairuz_> madrazr: It come out on my profile page
[06:21] <fairuz_> https://launchpad.net/~wmfairuz-wanismail
[06:21] <madrazr> fairuz_: looks like you have, how long has it been since you uploaded the package?
[06:22] <fairuz_> the package, just 7-8 hours ago
[06:22] <madrazr> fairuz_: Oh wow! You should have seen a mail much before that, now I am not sure what is going on
[06:22] <madrazr> :)
[06:23] <madrazr> fairuz_: sorry about that, may be some one else can help
[06:23] <fairuz_> madrazr: ok thanks. I see there's a channel for packaging
[06:23] <fairuz_> maybe I should ask there :D
[06:23] <madrazr> fairuz_: may be, I am not sure :)
[06:24] <fairuz_> madrazr: Do we receive an email if we succesfully upload something?
[06:24] <madrazr> fairuz_: yes, if your keys are verified, you should get an email to the email account with which your keys are associated
[06:25] <madrazr> in less than 10 minutes of successful upload
[06:25] <fairuz_> Hmm
[06:25] <fairuz_> Something wrong with the key then
[06:28] <fairuz_> madrazr: Hey, shame on me. I do received the key. Just the email from lp is archived in a folder. :)
[06:28] <madrazr> fairuz_: heh Ok :)
[06:28] <fairuz_> madrazr: The email said the thing is rejected for wrong section
[06:28] <fairuz_> what should we put on the section?
[06:28] <madrazr> fairuz_: ah!
[06:28] <fairuz_> kqrcode_0.6-0ubuntu1.dsc: Unknown section 'whatisthis'
[06:28] <madrazr> what is your section currently?
[06:29] <fairuz_> madrazr: Well I put whatisthis because I don't knwo what a section is :)
[06:29] <fairuz_> s/knwo/know
[06:30] <madrazr> fairuz_: I am not sure what sections are available
[06:30] <madrazr> but I have put "devel" till now
[06:31] <fairuz_> I should to put devel too
[06:31] <fairuz_> since this is just a learning ppa
[06:35] <fairuz_> madrazr: So the step is, use debuild to build the deb then use debsign to sign the .changes, then use dput to upload the ppa?
[06:35] <madrazr> debuild should also sign your packages?
[06:35] <fairuz_> madrazr: hm it is not
[06:36] <fairuz_> I use debuild -uc
[06:36] <madrazr> debuild and then use pbuilder to make sure everything builds properly and then use dput to upload
[06:36] <madrazr> fairuz_: ah then yes
[06:36] <fairuz_> I should use -k mykeyid?
[06:36] <madrazr> fairuz_: I am not sure about that, I have set the DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL in my bashrc
[06:36] <madrazr> so it picks up things from there
[06:38] <fairuz_> At the end of my debuild, it just sign the dsc file
[06:38] <fairuz_> not the changes
[06:42] <madrazr> fairuz_: I am not sure what you mean
[06:42] <fairuz_> madrazr: Just uploaded a new one
[06:43] <fairuz_> Source/binary (i.e. mixed) uploads are not allowed. <-- got this error
[06:43] <fairuz_> Another reject email :)
[06:44] <madrazr> fairuz_: what kind of builds are you trying single binaries?
[06:44] <fairuz_> madrazr: Yes
[06:45] <madrazr> fairuz_: are you running debuild -S
[06:45] <madrazr> ?
[06:45] <fairuz_> madrazr: no
[06:45] <madrazr> fairuz_: why not?
[06:45] <madrazr> and what does your dput line look like?
[06:46] <fairuz_> madrazr: Because I don't know
[06:46] <fairuz_> dput ppa:wmfairuz-wanismail/ppa ../../kqrcode_0.6-0ubuntu1_i386.changes
[06:46] <fairuz_> I will retry with debuild -S
[06:46] <madrazr> fairuz_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic
[06:46] <madrazr> you should definitely go through that
[06:47] <fairuz_> That's the guide that I'm following though :(
[06:48] <fairuz_> madrazr: Ah not that one, it's the other guide from ubuntu
[06:49] <fairuz_> madrazr: Thanks for your help. I just upload a new one
[06:49] <fairuz_> let see what happen
[08:09] <stokachu> when obtaining a oauth_token, does that token expire after a week?
[08:19] <wgrant> stokachu: The user specifies how long the token should last.
[08:19] <wgrant> One of the options is forever.
[08:23] <stokachu> wgrant: ahhh
[08:23] <stokachu> wgrant: thanks :D
[10:31] <_16aR_> Hello
[10:34] <_16aR_> czajkowski, I got a problem with my launchpad account
[10:34] <czajkowski> _16aR_: hi
[10:34] <_16aR_> it is linked to a mail I don't own anymore
[10:34] <_16aR_> and the bigger problem is that I forgot the password
[10:34] <_16aR_> then, no possible reinitialization of the password possible
[10:35] <czajkowski> _16aR_: what is the account?
[10:35] <_16aR_> ~dolanor
[10:36] <_16aR_> I still have acces to my gpg secret key though
[10:36] <_16aR_> so it can make connection so I'm not a fraud :p
[10:37] <czajkowski> no way to reset you password on the email ?
[10:37] <_16aR_> no
[10:37] <_16aR_> because I don't have access to this email anymore
[10:37] <czajkowski> why dont you have access to the email ?
[10:37] <_16aR_> server got hacked
[10:38] <czajkowski> let me see
[10:38] <_16aR_> and I didn't managed to reinstall all the stuff there (dns, mail, etc)
[10:39] <_16aR_> and since I have trouble with some package I need to reinstall my server, I would like to participate via launchpad
[10:39] <_16aR_> and the snake eats his own tail
[10:40] <czajkowski> _16aR_: for now, I'll have to get you to mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with as much information about the ac please
[10:41] <_16aR_> ok, thank you
[10:41] <czajkowski> np
[18:23] <Pikkachu> LP is not allowing me to change the usptream bug for a given project, the error message is not explanatory. Is there any way to do so? I want to change it to other value because it was marked as duplicate in upstream
[18:25] <Pikkachu> oh my bad, just fixed it nevermind
[20:04] <cjohnston> If there is a sprint created in launchpad with a launchpad team assigned as the driver, is it possible for a blueprint created by a member of the driver team to not be automatically approved?


[02:45] <Immy1101> hi
[02:45] <Immy1101> i've just set up a system fully updated
[02:46] <Immy1101> ive connected to ethernet with manual settings, and i've added a vpn. both work... but when i reboot, the ethernet does not start automatically, after setting the ethernet to connect via vpn whenever the former is detected
[02:47] <Immy1101> it finally connected
[02:47] <Immy1101> like two minutes after boot
[02:47] <Immy1101> what is with that?
[06:57] <meway> two questions. Will my Acer iconia tab w500, work with lubuntu? how do I run it side and side with windows in case lubuntu doesn't work?
[06:58] <tsimonq2> You can try it out from a USB drive without installing it, and that should answer both questions.
[07:01] <meway> How do I install it without a usb drive?
[07:02] <meway> is there a way to do it manually?
[07:02] <tsimonq2> I'm about to go to bed; #ubuntu might have more specifics. Sorry.
[07:02] <meway> rip
[18:14] <simba_> hurt... anyone in here?
[18:14] <simba_> hurt = huro
[18:15] <simba_> the links for the Mac installers are not working :(
[20:49] <wary> What should I use with this HP Paviliondv1000?
[21:38] <porkchops> hello guys, a quick question
[21:39] <porkchops> I wanted to download the lts iso from the lubuntu official site, however I found two domains from google
[21:39] <porkchops> which are lubuntu.me and lubuntu.net
[21:39] <porkchops> are any of those valid, or should I get the files from only one of them?
[21:40] <krytarik> porkchops: The first is the valid one, also see the topic here.
[21:42] <porkchops> ah, that explains it
[21:42] <porkchops> thank you
[21:43] <porkchops> I remember using lubuntu.net a few years ago, so I was wondering if it was a fake one
[21:44] <krytarik> Well, it was valid at that time.
[21:45] <porkchops> gotcha


[00:37] <ompaul> tuxice, is there anything else?
[00:38] <ompaul> tuxice, I point you to the topic
[00:38] <ompaul> Topic for #ubuntu-ops is: Welcome to the home of the Ubuntu IRC Team operators | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam | This channel   is for operator/abuse questions in the IRC Team domain only | Support in #ubuntu, #kubuntu etc... | LoCo channel discussion etc. to #ubuntu-irc |   We reserve the right to remove idlers from the channel | Channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Be good!
[00:39] <Nafallo> I'm always good, no? :-)
[00:39] <ompaul> i.e. the part about being idle
[00:40] <ompaul> Nafallo, what kind of an oxymoron is that question? ;-) in general we find the aforementioned Nafallo to be a good upstanding member of the community ....
[00:40] <Nafallo> :-)
[00:40] <ompaul> Nafallo, stand up and be counted, for what you are about to receive - we are the dealers and we give you all the source you need
[00:40] <ompaul> ..........
[00:41] <Nafallo> ehrm...
[00:41] <Nafallo> I haz source in the datacenters ;-)
[00:41] <ompaul> Nafallo, AC/DC does Free Software?
[00:42] <Nafallo> dunno?
[00:42] <ompaul> that was a direct misquote of them
[00:46] <ompaul> tuxice, ?
[00:46] <ompaul> last call for tuxice
[00:56] <nalioth> elky_work: elky, myrtti  none of the floodbots are on my local server
[00:56] <nalioth> seems the one in Germany mysteriously disappeared
[00:56] <nalioth> anyway, fb2 is back now
[00:56] <elky_work> nalioth: yeah, and you were not around to un-disappear it
[00:56] <nalioth> we still have over 60% of folks w/o power here
[00:56] <elky_work> im not surprised
[00:57] <nalioth> i'm sure the DSL is gonna be upsy-daisy for a while, too
[00:57] <elky_work> has it been saner than katrina?
[00:57] <nalioth> of course.  we're Texans.
[00:59] <elky_work> i mean, the government side of 'oh, you mean there are corpses littering the streets, maybe we should, um, do something'
[00:59] <nalioth> you see, we're not welfare people here, who depend on the gov to think and act for us
[00:59] <nalioth> unlike New Orleans
[01:00] <nalioth> man o man.
[01:01] <elky_work> so you didnt need the army to send help or anything like that?
[01:07] <nalioth> i am my own army.
[02:27] <mneptok> explains the multiple latrines.
[02:31]  * nalioth reminds mneptok to keep his car windows rolled up when he's not in attendance
[02:34] <jrib> indeed it is
[02:48] <jdong> urr...
[02:48] <jrib> I wonder if he missed the part about his request being forwarded to ops
[02:52]  * nalioth wonders if badfish cares
[02:52] <Pici> jrib: I'd probably ignore that if I said foo is foo.
[03:17] <jrib> !samba
[03:17] <jrib> !samba ~= s/  Also see bug #212098//
[03:17] <jrib> !samba ~= s/SWAT./SWAT.  Also see bug #212098/
[03:17] <jrib> !samba
[03:18] <jrib> awww, he doesn't recurse
[03:19] <jrib> !samba ~= s!bug #212098!https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212098!
[03:37] <iFvwm> hi, anyone here can help me to invite ubottu to #ubuntu-cn
[03:37] <iFvwm> Jack_Sparrow: ..
[03:38] <nalioth> iFvwm: do you need an infobot?
[03:38] <iFvwm> Flannel: but no one answer..
[03:38] <Flannel> iFvwm: What?
[03:38] <iFvwm> nalioth: i need ubottu only
[03:38] <nickrud> nalioth, did you finally move out of houston?
[03:39] <nalioth> iFvwm: ubot3 and ubot5 are clones of ubottu, would one of those work?
[03:39] <iFvwm> Flannel: i do not know who is the master of ubottu.
[03:39] <nalioth> nickrud: nope, power and phone got repaired today
[03:39] <iFvwm> nalioth: clone, all right. if you can help. just invite to #ubuntu-cn
[03:40] <iFvwm> nalioth: so thanks. :D
[03:41] <nalioth> you are welcome, iFvwm
[06:06] <nalioth> Madpilot: <ahem> klined
[06:06] <Madpilot> nalioth, wondered, but hit enter on the +b anywya
[06:06] <nalioth> you can see it in the channel
[07:35] <jussi01> ooh, nalioth is back :D
[07:36] <jussi01> nalioth: good to see you :)
[07:41]  * nalioth waves
[08:49] <jussi01> wow #u is dead...
[08:49] <jussi01> I mean 4 mins without a word... in #ubuntu?
[08:51]  * nalioth breaks out the crash cart
[10:14] <jussi01> !test
[10:14] <jussi01> hrm, what happened to ubottu :(
[10:15] <jussi01> !bot
[10:17] <stdin> well, that's the reason then
[10:18] <jussi01> yep
[10:18] <elky> heh
[10:18] <stdin> now wait 5 mins and do a test :p
[10:19] <elky> nalioth, might pay to move ubot3 to connect to a different leaf?
[10:20] <jussi01> !test
[10:21] <jussi01> :)
[10:21] <elky> did they both connect to the same place?
[10:22] <jussi01> no idea.
[10:22] <jussi01> stdin: do you know?
[10:23] <stdin> I think ubot3 is on brown and ubottu is on zelazny
[10:23] <stdin> no. ubottu is on wolfe
[10:25] <elky> thanks, i coulnt get an ubot3 /wii to respond
[10:27] <stdin> !kopete ~= s/and IRC/and, in KDE 3, IRC/
[10:29] <sykopomp> http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/lpc_2008_keynote.html Please help linux development. The community would appreciate it if ubuntu stopped acting like a fork and more like part of a community.
[10:29] <sykopomp> ktx
[10:29] <stdin> umm, what?
[10:30] <stdin> I wonder if you generated your stats fairly...
[10:31] <sykopomp> this is not news.
[10:31] <stdin> in fact, I'd just say "no you didn't" now
[10:31] <sykopomp> I didn't generate it. I'm just linking.
[10:31] <sykopomp> just letting you all know ;)
[10:31] <stdin> why did you link it then?
[10:32] <stdin> oh
[10:32] <sykopomp> because it's important for people to be aware of this?
[10:32] <stdin> so what's with the message with the link
[10:32] <stdin> that page is not a fair representation, and I'll prove it
[10:32] <sykopomp> go ahead
[10:33] <stdin> how long has Red Hat been around? and, how long has Canonical been around?
[10:33] <stdin> there. done
[10:33] <sykopomp> ok
[10:33] <sykopomp> how long has linux existed?
[10:33] <elky> stdin, stop feeding
[10:34] <sykopomp> elky: "if it doesn't like ubuntu or the Ubuntu Way, it must be a troll!"
[10:34] <sykopomp> elky: makes sense.
[10:34] <elky> sykopomp, no, if it comes in here to bait, it must be a troll.
[10:35] <sykopomp> elky: label things however you like.
[10:35] <elky> and since you are very clearly in here to bait reaction...
[10:35] <stdin> how long the Linux kernel has existed is besides the point, and is irrelevant. if you agree with the page, fine whatever.
[10:35] <sykopomp> stdin: Look at the sheer proportion of Red Hat contributions vs. Canonical's. That can't be brushed off as 'red hat has been around longer'
[10:35] <elky> stdin is right however. you are quite free to use Debian or Red Hat if you really think they have a better product or are better contributors. We're certainly not going to stop you leaving us alone.
[10:36] <stdin> sykopomp: yes it can, as I've proven. thanks, bye
[10:36] <sykopomp> elky: I'm not talking about the distros at all. Ubuntu is a pretty huge distro in the community, and has plenty of active developers. The fact that so much work is being put into something, and so little is being given back, is a downright shame.
[10:37] <elky> sykopomp, you realise this is not a developer's channel, right?
[10:37] <elky> this is an irc operators channel.
[10:37] <sykopomp> elky: Shhhhh
[10:37] <sykopomp> >_>
[10:37] <sykopomp> <_<
[10:38] <elky> o.O
[10:38] <elky> keep an eye on motu and devel
[10:42] <elky> someone give me ops in -devel already :(
[10:42] <stdin> now I know it's a troll for sure
[11:34] <jussi01> for anyone after the auto_bleh script you can get it at: http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/auto_bleh.pl
[11:38] <gnomefreak> jussi01: you have a diff for the new one
[11:38] <gnomefreak> compared to older one
[11:39] <jussi01> gnomefreak: was that a question?
[11:40] <gnomefreak> jussi01: yes but i made a diff already
[11:40] <jussi01> hehe
[11:41] <jussi01> was gonna tell you to do that anywya.. :P
[12:34] <Pici> !test
[12:50] <tuxice> am i able to have my bot join #ubuntu-bots
[12:51] <tuxice> or no?
[12:56] <Pici> tuxice: Its my understanding that #ubuntu-bots is only...
[12:56] <Pici> er
[12:56] <Pici> @btlogin
[12:56] <Pici> !ping
[12:57] <Pici> ubottu seems to be ignoring me for factoids in pm and @ commands everywhere.
[12:57] <Pici> oh quiet you
[13:01] <bazhang> ubottu coc
[13:03] <bazhang> @login
[13:04] <bazhang> Pici, at some point ubottu quit, a relogin has it working again here at least (ie @login)
[13:13] <bazhang> that was strange
[13:14] <bazhang> doing a !ko had that response
[13:16] <Pici> @login
[13:16] <Pici> bazhang: ah, now shes responding to me, weird.
[13:18] <bazhang> Pici, heh
[13:18] <bazhang> kamozin is in mediation but so far no response; has a .de isp but was speaking broken russian.
[13:35] <PriceChild> is in mediation?
[13:39] <jussi01> hehe
[13:43] <PriceChild> bazhang: ?
[13:44] <Pici> maybe he meant meditation
[13:45] <Tm_T> medication... I need that, btw
[13:47] <jussi01> I guess if you s/mediation/pm/ then the sentence works...
[13:48] <Pici> jrib: :D
[13:56] <TiredWolf> ubottu's stopped responding to my PMs again...
[13:56] <TiredWolf> it works in the channel
[13:57] <Pici> TiredWolf: same thing happened to me until I did a @login
[13:58] <TiredWolf> well i don't have a problem going to -bots
[13:58] <TiredWolf> but that's no good for random people wanting to use the bots
[13:59] <Pici> jussi01: ping
[13:59] <jussi01> Pici: pong
[13:59] <Pici> jussi01: See above regarding the bots inability to respond in PM
[14:01] <jussi01> !wfm | Pici
[14:01] <Pici> jussi01: It only started to work for me when I did @login
[14:01] <jussi01> see this is weird, works fine for me.
[14:01] <TiredWolf> this happened another time during the summer
[14:01] <TiredWolf> turned out you needed to be identified to services
[14:02] <Pici> I am IDed though.
[14:02] <jussi01> stdin: ping
[14:02] <TiredWolf> or at least, the bot had to believe you were
[14:05] <TiredWolf> i suppose nal's back?
[14:06] <TiredWolf> or at least his machine is
[14:07] <bazhang> PriceChild, sorry; he was flooding with ot broken russian; muted him and was trying to mediate
[14:08] <Pici> TiredWolf: yes, just yesterday
[14:08] <TiredWolf> Pici: everything alright with him?
[14:08] <Pici> TiredWolf: He seemsed okay
[14:09] <Pici> er, seemed.
[14:29] <Pici> Whenever we're done playing with the topic in -ot, can we make sure that the guidelines url and a something about support being in #ubuntu gets added to it.
[14:30] <Pici> I may not be active to add those points.
[14:33] <TiredWolf> Pici, do you think i'm *that* irresponsible
[14:33] <Pici> TiredWolf: Of course not, but you're also busy
[14:33] <TiredWolf> oh yeah, so busy
[15:38] <ikonia> ls
[15:38] <ikonia> oops
[15:39] <TiredWolf> ikonia: as long as it's just "ls" and not the complete sequence of sudo / password / sudo halt / password, like i did once because i couldn't be bothered turning on the monitor...
[15:51] <ikonia> TiredWolf: laughing hard
[15:51] <ikonia> just managed to gain access to my box from a clients site, so pleased
[16:10] <stdin> jussi01: one character out of place :|
[16:16] <Flannel> Er...
[16:16] <Flannel> IdleOne: surely you mean this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[16:17] <IdleOne> Flannel: indeed. I should have searched wiki before hand ;/
[16:17] <IdleOne> thanks, and sorry
[16:18] <Flannel> Mmmm, we still don't have a lost password factoid, do we.
[16:18] <IdleOne> we do
[16:18] <IdleOne> !lostpassword
[16:18] <Flannel> Thats not really a lost password one
[16:18] <IdleOne> well it can be edited to add the wiki page
[16:19] <Flannel> Better to make a new one.
[16:19] <Flannel> I'll take care of it
[16:24] <Flannel> !password
[16:24] <Flannel> I guess it didn't get too much longer.
[16:25] <Flannel> IdleOne: anything else we can do for you today?
[16:25] <Pici> methinks hes an idle one.
[16:26] <IdleOne> nope that is good thanks
[16:26] <IdleOne> Pici: :P
[16:26] <IdleOne> later folks
[16:26] <Pici> byas
[19:35] <Pici> danielm_mc: How can we help you today?
[19:40] <Pici> !idle | danielm_mc
[19:40] <danielm_mc> sorry, was just hanging out to get the ubottus
[19:40] <danielm_mc> trying to work my way up to being an operator on #ubuntu
[19:40] <danielm_mc> and #ubuntu-server
[19:41] <danielm_mc> :)
[19:42] <Jack_Sparrow> danielm_mc Please dont idle
[19:42] <Pici> danielm_mc: Well, we usually pick a helper from the community when we feel that we need more operators.  The source code for the bots are also available if you want.
[19:45] <danielm_mc> k
[22:38] <ompaul> seekingtruth found truth about o4o at the end of my ban stick
[22:39] <Seeker`> the internet would be a much better place without all the other people
[22:42] <ompaul> hehe
[22:43] <Seeker`> sadly, i'm not joking
[22:53] <ompaul> Seeker`, consider that a knowing chuckle
[22:56] <Seeker`> heh
[22:57] <Seeker`> almost time for bed
[22:57] <Seeker`> otherwise it will be time for interview before i actually get to sleep


[13:10] <erUSUL> Is it possible to "whitelist" ubottu so it does not get banned by floodbots ??
[13:10] <Pici> Yes, but we're not sure if thats a good idea.  If shes spamming for whatever reason, it might be best to curtail it.
[13:11] <erUSUL> Pici: ok; i see thanks ;)
[15:44] <zed> hi there !
[16:05] <zed> I'm taking care of the LocoBots which log channels for locoteams, and we moved the bots from one machine to another today
[16:06] <zed> I was wondering if we could raise the max number of channel each bot can be on (it is 20 currently) ?
[16:12] <Rafik> hi zed
[16:12] <Rafik> PriceChild, nalioth or tomaw can answer you, as the are freenode staff
[16:12] <[NikO]> +y
[16:14] <zed> Rafik: ok, thanks
[16:15] <zed> and if possible, request also a "cloak host" because the reverse hostname of the new machine is not as beautiful as the old one
[16:15] <zed> (and doesn't have ubuntu in it, as the old one)
[16:16] <LjL> zed: yes, possible
[16:17] <zed> ok, great what do i have to do ? :)
[16:17] <nalioth> identify yourself to services, for a start  :)
[16:17] <LjL> zed: nothing
[16:17] <LjL> well, that would help ues
[16:17] <LjL> yes
[16:18] <zed> ah yes :)
[16:18] <[NikO]> :)
[16:18] <zed> i'm not an "official" ubuntu member, i don't think i deserve all these stuffs
[16:18] <zed> (if that was the question behind the ns identify)
[16:18] <zed> :)
[16:19] <LjL> zed: it was just a matter of confirming your identity (which can be important)
[16:19] <LjL> as for the locobots, they're very well-estabilished bots that are useful to the ubuntu irc channels at large so the cloak request is definitely warranted
[16:19] <zed> LjL: ok
[16:21] <LjL> zed: are they all grouped to the LocoBot account?
[16:21] <zed> LjL: affirmative !
[17:32] <juliux>  /window 26
[17:46] <trucMuche> tomaw,
[17:46] <trucMuche> * Vous êtes invité sur #sikelo par simon49 (lindbohm.freenode.net)
[17:46] <trucMuche> :|
[17:46] <trucMuche> this chanel not closed ?
[17:47] <trucMuche> houps .. ban chanel ..sorry
[17:49] <Zic> it's the third time he's spaming, and second in #ubuntu-fr
[17:57] <[NikO]> thanks a lot t
[20:06] <[NikO]> same problems, again with simon49
[20:06] <[NikO]> http://mediabox.pastebin.com/m65cf6239
[20:07] <[NikO]> coming with his bot, spam #ubuntu-fr for join his channel
[20:09] <[NikO]> freenode staff available ?
[20:09] <Pici> Can you not ban him?
[20:10] <[NikO]> he use dynamic ip
[20:10] <Pici> What about his nick? or realname?
[20:10] <[NikO]> three days now ...
[20:10] <Pici> whois simon49
[20:10] <[NikO]> registerer simon49
[20:10] <Pici> oops
[20:10] <[NikO]> he invite lots of people to join his channel
[20:11] <[NikO]> banned from #backtrack-fr #ubuntu-fr ....


[00:58] <graydog> hi is anybody here? i am a person with some c,c++ expertise and i want to participate in ubuntu. one of my friends told me to join this. how do i start?
[00:59] <RAOF> !contribute
[00:59] <RAOF> That's a good starting point.
[01:03] <graydog> RAOF:  hmmm.. well thanks. i understand triaging should be starting point.
[01:04] <RAOF> graydog: Depends on what you want to do, really.
[01:04] <RAOF> If you'd like to triage bugs, that's great, and very useful.
[01:04] <RAOF> If you'd like to do some debugging and _fix_ bugs, that's also wonderful :)
[01:05] <graydog> RAOF: I really would love to code, ie solve bugs. does traiging help in gaining a better understanding of how the code and packages are organized?
[01:05] <graydog> or should i start somewhere else. my goal is to debug. maybe create some apps later.
[01:06] <graydog> i have read the various contributing options and traiging seems the best path to start from. :)
[01:06] <RAOF> Generally, people will often do a bit of everything.  If you want to fix bugs, though, you can start with a package you care about and look at the already-triaged bugs.
[01:07] <graydog> ok raof thanks. that helps.
[01:50] <mrooney> asac: tag!
[04:01] <ziroday> What is the difference between invalid and wont fix?
[04:24] <nellery_> ziroday: that's explained here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[04:29] <mrooney> anyone know what to do with bug 278385?
[04:31] <ziroday> nellery_: thanks
[04:33] <nellery_> mrooney, looks like a simple upgrade request
[05:22] <mrooney> nellery_: I guess I don't really have experience with those, if it isn't upgraded in debian
[05:22] <mrooney> what should happen?
[05:23] <nellery_> mrooney, tag it as upgrade, and rename the description to something like "New upstream release v.xx"
[05:23] <nellery_> and generally you would confirm it and mark it as wishlist
[09:56] <tseliot> tjaalton: we need a FFE to get latest Nvidia driver too, right?
[10:01] <tjaalton> tseliot: yes
[10:01] <tseliot> ok, I just wanted to be sure
[10:23] <SpudULike> I am gathering info to submit a bug.  For me on my laptop, suspend worked well in Ibex Alpha, but has stopped working in the beta release.  The keyboard doesn't work on resume.  What is the most useful information to include from both versions?  I am not sure if there is a package I should submit this under either.
[10:29] <SpudULike> 'tis OK, I've found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI - I think that's where suspend problems reside.
[10:38] <mnemo> if somebody wants to learn some of basics of how to analyze bugs using gdb etc... I wrote down pretty much __all__ the steps I went though to analyze a 100% CPU spin in totem (which was using the gstreamer pulseaudio backend)... the bug has already been fixed by the gstreamer devs but for learning gdb basics check out this bug report --> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554771
[11:59] <ziroday`> Hi, could some one give me some guidance on this report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd/+bug/277643
[11:59] <ziroday`> it very much seems the guys trolling
[12:03] <Hobbsee> ziroday`: i'd subscribe to it, but not comment on it, in the hope he goes away.
[12:03] <Hobbsee> he may well just be confused / off the planet / etc.
[12:03] <ziroday`> ziroday`: done so already
[12:03] <ziroday`> woops
[12:03] <ziroday`> Hobbsee: yeah, I couldn't work out if he was a troll or just nuts
[12:04] <ziroday`> or had an actual problem but didn't know how to describe it
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ziroday`: i'd probably go with the "nuts".  He's not continually asking questions, so probably not the third option
[12:04] <ziroday`> Hobbsee: alright, thanks a load :)
[12:05] <Hobbsee> ziroday`: if he were a troll, i would have expected him to reopen it / demand it being reopened.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> s/being/be/
[12:05] <Hobbsee> ziroday`: you're welcome
[12:05]  * ziroday` goes back to his 5 a day
[12:46] <mnemo> why doesn't valgrind have a dbgsym package (I got ddebs enabled and I got -dbgsym package for everything except valgrind it seems??)
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> ping kees
[15:53] <nhandler_> 5/mark
[17:13] <kees> chrisccoulson: pong.  sup?
[17:34] <niadh> Am looking at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/70077 and the issue appears to have been uncovered, it seems such a major issue that needs solving so am looking for help as to how to deal with it
[17:43] <mrooney> niadh: you might want to ping bdmurray as he was originally looking at it
[17:43] <niadh> ok
[17:44] <mrooney> the confirmation that it still exists in the .27 kernel plus the suse info could help
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> kees - are you still about?
[17:52] <niadh> Was also thinking that there's a work around too, which may help
[17:53] <kees> chrisccoulson: yawp, I just saw your AA bug email
[17:54] <kees> chrisccoulson: I was actually just doing an upstream re-merge with the AppArmor codebase, so I'll include that bug in my testing.
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> thats what i was going to ask you about. i wanted to get your thoughts before i reassigned it from gdm-guest-session to apparmor
[17:54] <kees> chrisccoulson: let me go read it, one sec
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> i've reassigned it now anyway. i think there's enough evidence to show that the bug is outside of gdm-guest-session
[17:56] <kees> chrisccoulson: yeah, I'd agree
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> thats good then :)
[17:57] <kees> I've milestoned it so it'll be sure to get attention.  (but I'll be looking into it more closely on monday for sure)
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> thanks for that kees
[17:57] <kees> chrisccoulson: thanks for pinging me.  :P  kind of a bad regression.  ;)
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> it is a bit. i use apparmor quite extensively on my machine, but i havent migrated any profiles from hardy yet so i didn't notice this problem until i came across that bug report
[17:58]  * kees nods
[19:26] <pjbroad> hi, could someone consider convert this bug to a wishlist #278299 thanks.
[19:27] <hggdh> bug 278299
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> is anyone here familiar with HAL?
[19:30] <hggdh> pjbroad, done
[19:32] <pjbroad> thanks hggdh
[23:32] <asac> mrooney: ?


[00:02] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196303 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (8 files in 2 dirs) Add a rudimentary breadcrumb widget. At the moment you can't go up without forgetting where you just were, and it's not very pretty yet (completeness before paint(), I always say), but it is useable
[00:26] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196309 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Only delete previous views when we are going down a level from a parent that already has a child
[00:39] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196318 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (AvailableView.cpp AvailableView.h) Fix a bug where you could not go back to a category you had been to if you visited another category in between
[00:40] <JontheEchidna> Yay, breadcrumb works pretty reliably now. Just gotta make the categories view handle subcategories...
[01:13] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196323 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (AvailableView.cpp AvailableView.h) Stop ApplicationWidgets from accumulating when going back to a category's package listing and clicking a new category
[01:21] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196325 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Icon support for Breadcrumbs
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> http://imgur.com/VEIfS
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> gotta write a QPushButton subclass with a neat paint() function to make the breadcrumbs pretty
[01:28]  * JontheEchidna will rip the one off of amarok's breadcrumb button widget
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> or maybe just "borrow" the whole widget P-:
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> P-: == smiley
[01:55] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196332 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (9 files in 2 dirs) "Borrow" the BreadcrumbItemButton from Amarok and tweak it to suit our purposes... isn't open soure great? ;-)
[02:03] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196333 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AvailableView.cpp Use a horizontal KSeparator to separate the BreadcrumbWidget from the rest of the view
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> just needs arrows in the breadcrumb: http://imgur.com/mUvlH
[03:18] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196341 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/BreadcrumbWidget/BreadcrumbWidget.cpp I can't figure out how to get arrows and icons on the breadcrumbs without screwing up the painting, so keep the icons and space the crumbs a bit more
[03:31] <valorie> \o/ for code re-use!
[04:29] <dasKreech> valorie: I'd like to express something but I'll reuse your \o/
[04:33] <valorie> lol
[04:35] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196348 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AvailableView.cpp Don't crash when going forward to a widget we just went back from
[04:35] <JontheEchidna> technically it's a code copy, which is somewhat not \o/
[04:36] <dasKreech> \o
[04:36] <JontheEchidna> o/
[04:36] <valorie> lol
[04:36] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196349 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 2 dirs) We are not at all pressed for space here, so an eliding button doesn't really make sense in our case
[04:37] <valorie> why isn't code copying good too?
[04:37] <valorie> why overwork the brain and fingers when you don't have to?
[04:41] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196350 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (AvailableView.cpp BreadcrumbWidget/BreadcrumbWidget.h) Correctly bold breadcrumb items when navigating back to already-visited views
[04:41] <JontheEchidna> having two separate copies of the code mean that fixes in one don't make it to the other
[04:42] <JontheEchidna> sharing code in the form of a shared library is great, but a code copy is not so great
[04:45] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196351 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AvailableView.cpp I really, really wish QStandardItems were not editable by default :/
[04:51] <valorie> well, I see that point
[04:52] <valorie> however, display code seems a bit different to me
[04:52] <valorie> if you truly were doing a fix, I'll bet you would send a patch along to amarok
[04:53] <JontheEchidna> probably. It's not a very big class at all. Just a thin wrapper over a QPushButton with a different appearance, so it's not that big of a deal
[04:53] <valorie> otoh, if it's something lots of people will use, you could always make it a little lib
[04:53] <valorie> seems a bit obscure though
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> A KBreadcrumbWidget framework would be neat
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> might be a bit hard to make it generic enough for everybody, yet flexible enough for everybody
[04:55] <JontheEchidna> well, I'm satisified with my breadcrumb for tonight: http://imgur.com/H74Bu
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> g'night
[04:58] <dasKreech> night
[04:59] <dasKreech> haha are those lil icons instead of arrows?
[04:59] <dasKreech> that's neat
[05:42] <CIA-42> [muon] yurchor * 1196355 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWidget.cpp fix typo
[09:19] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: i got commit access to KDE :P
[09:19] <evilshadeslayer> whee
[09:20] <valorie> that's a relief
[09:20] <valorie> what if an EVIL shadeslayer had commit access!
[09:24] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[09:57] <apachelogger> neversfelde: a translation of what?
[09:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: surely the name is awesome
[09:58] <apachelogger> evilnhandler_: I wonder if that is good :P
[09:59] <apachelogger> dantti: IMHO printd should not be a d at all
[09:59] <apachelogger> more like a tray app
[10:17] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196389 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/AddPrinterAssistant.cpp hide help button since currently there is no help
[10:34] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: there is a typo in installer/ApplicationWidget.cpp:163, there is an extra 's'
[10:38] <apachelogger> eheheheh
[10:38] <apachelogger> dantti: that CupsThreadRequest looks odd
[10:40] <apachelogger> dantti: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2006/12/04/threading-without-the-headache/ seems more like what was intended
[10:45] <valorie> apachelogger: http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2010/11/10/white-trash-repairs-my-little-soldering-iron/
[10:47] <apachelogger> ahahaha, the blog post by doctormo is awesome
[10:48] <apachelogger> much truth in there, even on a $DEPRJECT vs $DISTRO level
[10:48] <apachelogger> valorie: zomg!
[10:49] <valorie> cute/disturbing
[10:49] <apachelogger> uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:49] <apachelogger> kdualaction
[10:49] <valorie> every time I look at it I can't decide which side wins
[10:50] <apachelogger> aurelien is my hero
[10:50] <apachelogger> valorie: disturbing clearly
[10:50] <apachelogger> how would you like to get things plugged into your forehead?
[10:51] <apachelogger> ... => disturbing
[10:53] <valorie> well, but I'm a sentient being
[10:53] <valorie> I guess I haven't watched Toy Story enough
[10:53] <apachelogger> AND UNICORNS ARE NOT!?!??!?!!?!!?!??!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?FNb/n
[10:53] <valorie> rofl
[10:53] <valorie> but clearly, this would be a most useful unicorn!
[10:54] <valorie> especially if you have some flux around
[10:54] <valorie> a little hardware geek unicorn
[11:01]  * apachelogger is creeped out by hardware geeks
[11:01] <apachelogger> they are a bit like nano
[11:02] <apachelogger> yay
[11:02] <apachelogger> woohooo
[11:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: ice cream!
[11:03] <apachelogger> do you like vanilla? :D
[11:25] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196402 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/PrinterDescription.ui (log message trimmed)
[11:25] <CIA-42> When using a form layout, the layout needs to allow expanding for expanding
[11:25] <CIA-42> widgets or text will be cut off. Word-wrap apparently does not have any effect
[11:25]  * apachelogger should go buy stuff
[11:26]  * apachelogger needs food and usb cables and usb hubs and alcohol and a space ship
[11:26] <ulysses> s/space\ ship/TARDIS/
[11:27] <valorie> where ya goin' in the spaceship?
[11:27] <apachelogger> home
[11:27] <valorie> lol
[11:28] <apachelogger> ulysses: is that sed?
[11:28]  * apachelogger thinks we should use supremacy and go with :%s/space ship /TARDIS/
[11:28] <apachelogger> silly whitespace escapes
[11:29] <ulysses> I hope
[11:30] <apachelogger> ulysses: surely one can avoid the whitespace escape in a sed context too
[11:30]  * apachelogger thinks the whitespace escapes where unnecessary and ulysses is messing with apachelogger's madness
[11:30] <apachelogger> :%s/madness/sanity/
[11:31]  * apachelogger finds qformlayouts very strange
[11:34] <dantti> apachelogger: not sure that site solves the problem, would thread->start() make thread his own parent?
[11:34] <apachelogger> hm, my docs blog post needs some work
[11:35] <apachelogger> dantti: why would it need to be its own parent?
[11:35] <apachelogger> (the thread of itself that is)
[11:35] <apachelogger> sounds kinda sick too ^^
[11:35] <dantti> because the problem is that the thread object was not created inside a thread so the signals are not received by the thread itself that's basic qt threading
[11:36] <dantti> I mean all thread slots actually run on the creator of the thread which makes the thread useless
[11:37] <apachelogger> not sure I flollow
[11:37] <dantti> at first i didn't understand but after thiago telling me this was how it works i understant
[11:37] <apachelogger> at the point you move an object to a thread it will run within the context of the thread's eventloop
[11:38] <dantti> apachelogger: ok, but I can move the QThread subclass to itself?
[11:38] <dantti> *can I
[11:38] <apachelogger> why do you need the sublcass?
[11:38] <apachelogger> the idea is that you do not need to sublcass at all
[11:38] <apachelogger> but have an object, create it in the current thread and then move it to a generic QThread
[11:38] <dantti> hmm right, ok
[11:40] <dantti> apachelogger: but that blog post says that you still have to have a QThread subclass to call exec()
[11:40] <apachelogger> not anymore
[11:40] <apachelogger> that got changed in 4.4 or so
[11:40] <dantti> Qt alread does this?
[11:40] <dantti> ok
[11:40] <apachelogger> the default qthread now implements a run that calls exec
[11:40] <dantti> well that code is very sensible but I'll try to do that..
[11:41] <apachelogger> dantti: also, I think we need to look into the qformlayout for the kcm description widget
[11:41] <apachelogger> that sizing in there does not look l10n/fontsize save at all
[11:41] <dantti> go to go church now.. or I gona be late :P cya later
[11:42] <apachelogger> dantti: btw, what in particular is not implemented with the add printer dialog?
[11:42] <apachelogger> from what I have seen it actually adds local printers just fine
[11:42] <apachelogger> then again it failed for me since I used bogus device URIs ^^
[11:43] <dantti> apachelogger: well, the py thing has some smarteness like probing a samba server, and suggesting a proper dirver
[11:43] <apachelogger> ah
[11:43] <apachelogger> ok
[11:43] <apachelogger> own ppd file is also not working ;)
[11:43] <dantti> also it add printers automaggically which printd needs to get notified and call add-printer
[11:44] <apachelogger> printd needs to be made printray :P
[11:44] <dantti> well it goes in kded so d:P
[11:44] <apachelogger> that needs to be changed
[11:44] <apachelogger> or is there use that actually is daemonish?
[11:45] <dantti> it is, it periodically check for new jobs
[11:45] <apachelogger> that is tray use
[11:45] <dantti> to show a printer tray icon
[11:45] <apachelogger> that is the problem there... the daemon is way too fat because it incorporates ui stuff, which it really should not do
[11:46] <apachelogger> kdeds should be lightwight and notify consumers about interesting events
[11:46] <dantti> well any way need to go now... cya
[11:46] <apachelogger> dantti: o/
[11:46] <apachelogger> at the least the daemon should be split into tray and actual daemon
[11:47] <apachelogger> however that has little merit since the daemon only watches for new printers and only has one consumer (the tray icon)
[13:03] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196434 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWidget.cpp Typo fixes for i18n context
[13:10] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196435 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (7 files) Rename ApplicationWidget -> ApplicationDetailsWidget
[13:35] <apparle> Is there anyway to decide what notifications should be minimized into the notifcation widget, and what are just shown and then discarded and not stored
[13:36] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196440 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Move more category-modelish stuff down into the CategoryView
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which phone do you have btw?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: Desire Z isnt available here, and its supposed to be coming after 3 months, i dont want to wait that logn
[15:03] <Quintasan> :/
[15:03] <Quintasan> meh
[15:03] <Quintasan> dunno then
[15:03] <Quintasan> get something else then
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Probably the desire
[15:04] <shadeslayer> wth
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you cant install apps on the SD card?
[15:04] <Quintasan> Well, there are two ways to install apps on SD
[15:04] <Quintasan> apps2sd in Froyo
[15:05] <Quintasan> or
[15:05] <shadeslayer> does it require rooting and such?
[15:05] <Quintasan> create and ext3 or 2 or even 4 partition on your SDcard and symlink the partition as /data/data
[15:05] <shadeslayer> that sounds better
[15:05] <Quintasan> apps2sd in Froyo doesnt require any ingerention in software
[15:06] <Quintasan> however not all apps support native apps2sd
[15:06] <shadeslayer> so symlinking is better?
[15:06] <Quintasan> but if you symlink the partition as /data/data they have nothing to complain about because they won't even know that they are on sdcard
[15:06] <Quintasan> it is better
[15:06] <Quintasan> but u need rootz
[15:06] <shadeslayer> and does that require rooting?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:06] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:06] <Quintasan> and you need to format your sd card
[15:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you don't want to root your phone?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: after i root the SD card, can i un-root it?
[15:07] <Quintasan> lol dude
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i dont have a phone right now :P
[15:07] <shadeslayer> wait
[15:07] <shadeslayer> s/SDcard/Phone
[15:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Android is basically Linux
[15:07] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:07] <Quintasan> yeah, you can unroot it
[15:07] <Quintasan> it's just two files
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: im concerned about the warranty shitz :P
[15:07] <shadeslayer> incase i break it and such
[15:07] <Quintasan> usually /system/xbin/su and /system/apps/Superuser.apk
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ah kewl
[15:08] <Quintasan> unless you are flashing ROM you can't break it permamently by rooting
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: so the HTC page says the desire supports face recognition, the reviews say it doesnt....
[15:09] <shadeslayer> oh and the reseller told me HTC doesnt have a good reputation for keyboards
[15:09] <Quintasan> lol
[15:09] <Quintasan> their on-screen keyboard is the most popular android keyboard
[15:09] <Quintasan> and QWERTY in desire z is apparently better than the milestone one
[15:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: the physical one .......
[15:10] <Quintasan> read XDA instead of asking resellers
[15:10] <Quintasan> they will want you to buy the most useless phones they have on stock :P
[15:11] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: any comments on the Desire
[15:15] <Quintasan> Well, I had it in my hands only for few hours but I was quite impressed
[15:15] <Quintasan> Looked like a nice phone
[15:15] <Quintasan> Has a few rock solid ROMs on XDA
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695667 << .exe files? :O
[15:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I think those are self-extracting archives
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i cant see a LED on the Desire
[15:21] <shadeslayer> does it have one? ( the status notifying LED )
[15:22] <Quintasan> >I can confirm red when the battery is low, orange when it is charging, and green when it is fully powered, AND when there are notifications.
[15:23] <shadeslayer> where it it?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> *is it?
[15:23] <Quintasan> upper right corner I think
[15:24] <Quintasan> http://www.xda-developers.com/android/toggle-blue-led-on-htc-desire/
[15:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: xda is your best resource on HTC phones
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: im still trying to get my way around that site :P
[15:25] <shadeslayer> ahh
[15:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: a space invader 3000
[15:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :O ... it didnt look like one
[15:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, it is disgusing as something else for you native terrans
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ahh
[15:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: should i wait for android 2.3 or just go with the desire
[15:32] <Quintasan> no idea
[15:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should get a n900
[15:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its a fricking old phone
[15:33] <apachelogger> or wait for the n900+k - zomg edition
[15:33] <shadeslayer> epicly old
[15:33] <shadeslayer> the wait would kill ne
[15:33] <shadeslayer> *me
[15:34] <yofel> I found the 'please connect  to the Pc Suite to update' message for the last Maemo5 update my n900 amusing, apt-get dist-upgrade FTW :D
[15:34] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[15:36]  * apachelogger thinks his eyephone is malfunctioning
[15:43]  * claydoh craves a Galaxy Tab - a big android phone,  but without the phone
[15:59] <Quintasan> It's about the time Quintasan starts learning physics instead of wasting time
[16:00]  * Quintasan has caught many bad grades just beacause he was lazy
[16:05] <apachelogger> argh
[16:05] <apachelogger> no jt around
[16:05] <apachelogger> -.-
[16:10] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You should be able to run Kubuntu Mobile on  (n900).
[16:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i can also run debian on the Desire :P
[16:25] <ScottK> No plasma mobile in Debian.
[16:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK: N900 is way too outdated
[16:27] <CIA-42> [kdebase-workspace] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (changelog patches/series) (log message trimmed)
[16:27] <CIA-42> Add kubuntu_01_kdewallpapers_install.diff, which adds a button to the Plasma
[16:27] <CIA-42> wallpaper config to easily install the kdewallpapers package. The button is only
[16:28] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra?field.series_filter=natty << bluedevil packaged, can someone sponsor them :)
[16:28] <shadeslayer> night all
[16:31] <CIA-42> [kdebase-workspace] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) rename to 03 and actually add patch
[16:32] <CIA-42> [kdebase-workspace] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/patches/series add knewstuff patch to series
[16:36] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-debug-installer] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 11.04ubuntu1
[16:50]  * neversfelde is back online
[17:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  Actually vanilla is my favorite.  Thanks for the ice cream.
[18:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you work on docbook fixing?  kmetronome is broken due to this and could stand a fixup.
[18:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sure can do, but this really needs upstream poking
[18:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes, but they are generally more responsive when you have a patch in hand.
[18:33] <shadeslayer> but.. i cant do it this week, i can only do it next week :)
[18:34] <ScottK> shadeslayer: OK.  Next week starts tomorrow, so that's fine.
[18:34] <shadeslayer> the week after that :P
[18:34] <shadeslayer> im looking at the FTBFS rho
[18:34] <shadeslayer> *tho
[18:34] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:34] <shadeslayer> bahaha
[18:35] <shadeslayer> is kmetronome in git/svn ?
[18:36] <ScottK> No idea.
[18:36] <ScottK> Just saw it on the FTBFS page.
[18:36] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: heh http://pastebin.com/Nr8Pk6Nx
[18:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You have Universe enabled?
[18:43] <ScottK> libdrumstick-dev is most definitely not a virtual package.
[18:43] <shadeslayer> hmm... natty pbuilder might not have it
[18:44] <shadeslayer> lemme check
[18:44] <shadeslayer> universe not enabled :P
[19:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ive uploaded the fixed package to https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra?field.series_filter=natty
[19:04] <shadeslayer> so thats 3 packages that need sponsoring
[19:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you and Quintasan agree on who's bluedevil package we'd use?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> uh... afaik he said he was testing my packages
[19:05] <ScottK> Did he give you a result?
[19:07] <rbelem> shadeslayer, ScottK, do you know where i can find kdelibs coding style?
[19:08] <ScottK> rbelem: JontheEchidna and apachelogger know about that.
[19:08] <rbelem> cool :-)
[19:08] <shadeslayer> rbelem: http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Kdelibs_Coding_Style
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ^^ for when theyre not around :P
[19:10] <rbelem> thx shadeslayer :-)
[19:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kmetronome uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.
[19:33] <shadeslayer> kewl :)
[19:33] <maco> Riddell: you around? i need someone with epoxy experience
[20:54] <ScottK> What kind of epoxy?
[21:16] <maco> ScottK: im using shoe-goo and wanted to know how to smooth it out... but the itnernet said ice cubes, so i went with that
[21:16] <ScottK> OK.
[21:17] <ScottK> Can't argue with the internet.
[21:18] <apachelogger> you can, you'd need to go into pornography though...
[21:19]  * apachelogger needs more minions
[21:19] <apachelogger> this world needs a libphononexperimental package
[21:23]  * JontheEchidna is listening to Uzi Does It Ft. Chevy Jones by Get Busy Committee on Uzi Does It [Amarok]
[21:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: You should probably speak to our phonon maintainer about that.
[21:23] <ScottK> Oh wait ....
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> heh
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what's the story w/ libphononexperimental anyways?
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> seems like that should just be another git branch in trunk
[21:24] <apachelogger> why?
[21:24] <apachelogger> it extends phonon with features that are not yet ready for primetime
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> just wondering why it needs to be a whole shared library
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> out of curiosity, especially since I don't do Phonon hacking
[21:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: because it is not part of Qt's phonon for example ;)
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> Argh. Yeah, I can see how that would make things weird
[21:29]  * JontheEchidna notes that one course of action suggested in the UDS summary is to bring torches to Brisbane for inflicting QtMultimediaKit on us
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[21:32] <apachelogger> I was thinking about sending a printer....
[21:32] <apachelogger> oh my
[21:32] <apachelogger> did I just write that
[21:32] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[21:33] <apachelogger> Mamarok: kde bug 226329 is all messed up
[21:33]  * apachelogger counts at least 3 problems that are not even related
[21:34] <apachelogger> one being PEBKAC
[21:41]  * ScottK is tired of waiting for management to make a decision about the whole IT/Thumb2 thing and so is fixoring packages.
[21:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: fix0r the pkg-kde-tools :P
[21:42] <ScottK> You think?
[21:42] <ScottK> OK.
[21:42] <apachelogger> well, fixing it in each package is way more work
[21:43] <apachelogger> also if management comes after you with a big poking stick you do not need to revert a bazillion packages ^^
[21:57] <tazz> hey i am having trouble building kde from trunk, specifically polkit from kdesupport here is the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/531410/
[21:59] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get install pkg-config
[22:00] <tazz> pkg-config is already the newest version.
[22:00] <apachelogger> whoops
[22:00] <apachelogger> my bade
[22:00] <apachelogger> !find polkit-gobject
[22:01] <apachelogger> tazz: ^
[22:01] <tazz> libpolkit-gobject-1-0 is already the newest version.
[22:01] <tazz> libpolkit-gobject-1-dev is already the newest version.
[22:01] <tazz> :-/
[22:01] <tazz> thats the problem.
[22:03] <yofel> erm, if you mean polkit-qt-1, that's not in kdesupport anymore, and polkit-qt won't build on anything newer than lucid since lucid is the last version that has polkit 0.9
[22:05] <tazz> yofel, it seems you are right, but dont i need it while building kdelib, for someof the backend stuff ?
[22:06] <yofel> our project-neon-kdelibs package currently builds fine without polkit-qt-1, but cmake says it's strongly recommended (kauth stuff I think)
[22:06] <tazz> yofel, exactly
[22:06] <yofel> well, polkit-qt-1 is here now if you need it: http://gitweb.kde.org/polkit-qt-1.git
[22:07] <tazz> yofel, thats where i am pulling it from, but i thought it was under kdesupport, so i pulled it under kdesupport.
[22:09] <tazz> ah, let it be, i'll justgo ahead without it :p
[22:11] <yofel> it *was* until recently, they moved it to git on 2010-10-26 (kdesupport r1189944)
[22:12] <apachelogger> tazz: maybe their cmake file is crap(tm)
[22:13]  * tazz shrugs if its good enough for kde trunk, kubuntu its good enough for me...
[22:13] <tazz> :)
[22:15] <apachelogger> it is not part of kde trunk
[22:16] <tazz> yea its not any more, so i need not worry
[22:17] <tazz> thanks for pointing that out, yofel apachelogger
[22:17] <apachelogger> tazz: it never was :P
[22:17] <apachelogger> it is part of kdesupport
[22:17] <apachelogger> that is a whole different story
[22:17] <tazz> doh!
[22:17] <yofel> heh
[22:19]  * yofel hits cmake with a sledgehammer
[22:20] <yofel> stupid error output, it's not that it doesn't find the package, it's that it doesn't make a difference between 'package not there' and 'package version too old' *-.-
[22:21] <yofel> tazz: you'll have to pull polkit from natty should you need polkit-qt-1
[22:21] <apachelogger> that is when you do not implement non-crappy cmake stuff :P
[22:21] <apachelogger> yofel: or just use the regular polkit :P
[22:21]  * yofel was thinking in project-neon dimensions :P
[22:21] <tazz> hehe, for now i dont need polkit, when i do i'll probably help fix it.
[22:22] <yofel> out TODO list only gets longer... *sigh*
[22:22]  * apachelogger wanted neon out the door the week after uds.....
[22:23] <tazz> btw i would like to help with neon stuff, its just that i am new to packaging in kubuntu and havent had any solid success building even a single package.
[22:23] <tazz> s/neon/neon natty/
[22:25] <yofel> natty is on hold until bug 669703 is fixed
[22:25] <yofel> we have *some* packages for maverick and lucid so far
[22:25] <yofel> current TODO https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon/Packaging
[22:26]  * tazz looks
[22:26] <yofel> here's the ppa if you want to use something from it https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+packages
[22:28] <yofel> the kde* package aren't really ready yet, but kdesupport stuff should be fine to use
[22:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: whom could we poke with that bug?
[22:32] <ScottK> The Launchpad bug?
[22:32] <apachelogger> aye
[22:32]  * apachelogger considers poking jcastro to poke someone for lack of better ideas
[22:33] <ScottK> I'd ask barry on Monday (or if you see him before) who best to poke.
[22:33] <apachelogger> very well
[22:33] <apachelogger> yofel: ^
[22:35] <yofel> thanks, natty isn't that much of a priority though currently..
[22:35] <yofel> tazz: btw, if you're interested visit us in #project-neon
[22:43] <apparle> why can't I install services in dolphin from the get new services?
[22:46] <apachelogger> huh?
[22:46] <apparle> apachelogger: whatever services I install, don't appear
[22:46] <apachelogger> there is a get new service thing for service menus?
[22:46] <apachelogger> anyhow
[22:47] <apachelogger> most likely the creators were unable to package their crap properly
[22:50] <apparle> apachelogger: I tried 2-3 packages, neither of them appear on the menu
[22:54] <apparle> apachelogger: what are the packages have to be made like?
[22:54] <apachelogger> I have no idea
[22:55] <apparle> :D
[23:16] <apparle> guys, the new notification system has got problems... particularly with kopete and quassel
[23:17] <apparle> a 15 min chat with someone and the notification widget is filled up with all the messages and useful ones get hidden
[23:47] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196729 * trunk/ (13 files in 4 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[23:47] <CIA-42> I did some thinking and have made some vast improvements to the view hierarchy.
[23:47] <CIA-42> Before, the root view (AvailableView in this instance) was doing it all: Housing
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> Sketching out heirarchies really helps
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> *hierarchies
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> who needs some fancy-schmancy diagramming program? pencil + paper ftw
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> I keep mine in a notebook. It's fun seeing how designs evolve the more you think about them
[23:59] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196740 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CategoryView/CategoryViewWidget.cpp Don't leak subviews


[05:31] <mup> Bug #1899730 opened: MAAS 2.8 showing wrong NUMA architecture <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899730>
[05:34] <mup> Bug #1899730 changed: MAAS 2.8 showing wrong NUMA architecture <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899730>
[05:40] <mup> Bug #1899730 opened: MAAS 2.8 showing wrong NUMA architecture <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899730>
[05:46] <mup> Bug #1899730 changed: MAAS 2.8 showing wrong NUMA architecture <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899730>
[05:52] <mup> Bug #1899730 opened: MAAS 2.8 showing wrong NUMA architecture <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899730>
[20:41] <mup> Bug #1899840 opened: MAAS fails to deploy HP DL380 Gen10 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899840>
[20:44] <mup> Bug #1899840 changed: MAAS fails to deploy HP DL380 Gen10 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899840>
[20:50] <mup> Bug #1899840 opened: MAAS fails to deploy HP DL380 Gen10 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899840>
[22:20] <mup> Bug #1899849 opened: maas does not talk to it own subnet/network <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899849>
[22:23] <mup> Bug #1899849 changed: maas does not talk to it own subnet/network <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899849>
[22:26] <mup> Bug #1899849 opened: maas does not talk to it own subnet/network <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899849>