[00:29] <persia> pyronik: Not specific to Ubuntu Mobile, but certainly (to some degree) within linux itself.  You may need to experiment a bit to get it to work.
[09:27] <DNi2> is there a prevision of the next release ?
[09:28] <DNi2> will it be possible to dual-boot with it ?
[13:28] <persia> Hey!
[13:28] <persia> Is this about issues with an Eee?
[13:30] <elkbuntu> persia, i found -eeepc
[13:31] <persia> elkbuntu: Likely better, as -mobile on the Eee is something nobody ever comes back to report success/failure about.
[19:45] <isaac> hi fellows
[19:45] <isaac> so there exists a toolchain to build for lpia from i386?
[19:45] <isaac> I mean packaged in a PPA or something
[20:01] <sn9> isaac: debootstrap
[20:01] <isaac> oh, so I can debootstrap a lpia system on a i386?
[20:03] <ian_brasil> isaac: yes..use moblin image creator
[20:03] <isaac> yeah, ok
[20:03] <isaac> thanks


[00:08] <phillw> mkdmz: have a read of http://lkubaski.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/understanding-file-associations-in-lxde-and-pcmanfm/
[00:13] <mkdmz> phillw: This seems to explain opening a file (which is what is my second priority), but nothing on getting a new mimetype to be identified with an svg and where to store the svg.
[00:15] <mkdmz> My app doesn't at the time open files with system args, only through a open file dialog.  I will change that, but I would like to have my icon show up for my application files first.
[00:22] <Tin_man> i've a question, I installed KPatience from the package manager.  After the install, and verification of all files dependences, and such.  I went to the games menu, and clicked on Kpatience.  Nothing happened, I did an  uninstall, and repeated the process, same.
[00:24] <Tin_man> i went to the web and looked at some forums, and found that if i go to terminal, an type "kpat -caption % c" the game comes up just fine, i just hate to do that everytime.  It's my wifes machine.
[00:24] <Tin_man> any clues?
[08:42] <leszek> hi
[13:40] <Tin_man> I left a message yesterday, i ended up going to bed, so i'm not sure if anyone responed.
[13:40] <Tin_man> The question was, I installed Kpatience thru the package installer, and it verfied the package,
[13:40] <Tin_man> and all the dependences.  It was installed in the games menu. clicked on it and
[13:40] <Tin_man> nothing!  I deleted it, re-installed, and got the same results.  I searched the
[13:40] <Tin_man> web, and found a post that gave the instructions to enter at terminal {kpat -caption % c}
[13:40] <Tin_man> that brought the game right up.. Does anyone know what needs to be done here, thats OK, but I'd
[13:40] <Tin_man> like to access it from the menu. any help would be appreciated.
[14:15] <Mikaela> Tin_man: install package "alacarte" and open "alacarte" with terminal and find the entry for kpatience and set the command as  that which works.
[14:15] <Mikaela> I don't have any other ideas, so if that doesn't work, someone else might be able to help.
[14:23] <Tin_man> thanks i'll see if i can figure it out from terminal, not to good at terminal yet, but I have a book :-)
[14:27] <Tin_man> hmmm, feel kinda dumb, but how do you open alacarte, i did a help alacarte and nothing was there for it..?
[14:46] <bollo> if it's not somewhere in the menu then open a terminal, type alacarte and press enter
[15:03] <Tin_man> ok thanks
[17:49] <Mydim3> hello
[17:49] <Mydim3> any help?
[17:49] <ianorlin> !ask
[17:50] <Mydim3> i'm trying to instalol left 4 dead 2 on steam
[17:50] <Mydim3> but everytime i try my screen starts flashing black
[17:51] <Mydim3> and this also happens when i just open steam by itself
[17:51] <wxl> Mydim3: what is the installation process and at what point does this happen?
[17:51] <Mydim3> when i started
[17:52] <wxl> Mydim3: what exactly were you doing?
[17:52] <Mydim3> first you have to say where do you want the game to go
[17:52] <Mydim3> i was just installing it]
[17:52] <wxl> so you have steam installed, correct? and it happens when you start steam?
[17:52] <Mydim3> yes and yes
[17:53] <wxl> could be a driver issue
[17:53] <wxl> what driver are you using? nvidia, ati?
[17:53] <Mydim3> nvidia
[17:53] <Mydim3> i think its the graphics card
[17:53] <wxl> have you installed the experimental drivers?
[17:53] <Mydim3> no
[17:54] <wxl> the instructions flat out say you should
[17:54] <Mydim3> how do i do that?
[17:54] <wxl> so i would do that and if you have further problems, go to #ubuntu-steam
[17:54] <wxl> !steam
[17:54] <wxl> ↑ instructions are on that page (the wiki one)
[17:54] <Mydim3> thx
[17:59] <Mydim3_> hey
[17:59] <Mydim3_> wxl you there?
[17:59] <wxl> Mydim3_: yes, as is the rest of the team of people here. as was suggested, just ask your question.
[18:00] <Mydim3_> ok so i have the guide but i don't understand it
[18:00] <Mydim3_> can you help me installing the experimental drivewrs?
[18:00] <Mydim3_> drivers*
[18:01] <wxl> go to Software Sources and click on Additional Drivers
[18:02] <Mydim3_> on steam?
[18:02] <wxl> nope
[18:03] <Mydim3_> software center?
[18:03] <wxl> you should be able to get to it from there
[18:03] <Mydim3_> ok
[18:04] <Mydim3_> im in the ubuntu software center but i dont see it
[18:04] <Mydim3_> do i go to the lubuntu software center?
[18:04] <wxl> you should be able to do it on the command line, too
[18:05] <Mydim3_> whats the command?
[18:05] <wxl> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-experimental-<HIT TAB>
[18:06] <Mydim3_> i hit tab now what?
[18:06] <wxl> it should fill in something or show you a list
[18:06] <Mydim3_> ok
[18:06] <wxl> if it fills in something, hit enter
[18:06] <wxl> if it shows you a list, pick one
[18:07] <Mydim3_> it says done
[18:07] <wxl> then it's probably done
[18:07] <Mydim3_> nope
[18:08] <wxl> try menu > Preferences > Software & Updates > Additional Drivers
[18:09] <wxl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY-LTqHfg64
[18:15] <Mydim3> sorry my computer crashed
[18:16] <Mydim3> wxl do you have team viewer
[18:17] <wxl> Mydim3: no.
[18:17] <Mydim3> ohh
[18:17] <Mydim3> what os are you running?
[18:19] <Mydim3> ?
[18:24] <Mydim3> wxl?
[18:27] <wxl> Mydim3: i'm currently on kubuntu.
[18:28] <Mydim3> ohh im running lubuntu
[18:29] <wxl> normally i am too
[18:29] <wxl> but not at work
[18:29] <wxl> everything i'm giving you should relate to lubuntu
[18:34] <Mydim3> ohh im running lubuntui know
[18:34] <wxl> you should be otherwise it makes no sense to come here
[18:35] <Devme> hai lubuntu...
[18:35] <Mydim3> lol
[18:35] <Mydim3> i have another problem now
[18:36] <Mydim3> with another program
[18:42] <thedoctor> yo
[18:44] <Mydim3> doctor
[18:44] <Mydim3> can you help me?
[18:44] <thedoctor> so i have so questions
[18:44] <wxl> Mydim3: dude, don't ask for help. just ask.
[18:44] <thedoctor> when will lxqt be stable ?
[18:44] <wxl> thedoctor: when it's done :)
[18:44] <thedoctor> just spit it out.
[18:45] <thedoctor> unhappy
[18:45] <thedoctor> i grabbed that beta not bad
[18:45] <Mydim3> do you have team viewer?
[18:45] <Devme> thedoctor??
[18:45] <thedoctor> no
[18:45] <Mydim3> who has teamviewer who can help me?
[18:46] <thedoctor> heard of it no need to use it though
[18:46] <Mydim3> im bad at folloing instructions and i need it
[18:48] <thedoctor> sorry
[18:48] <Mydim3> aww fuk
[18:49] <Mydim3> now i will never play that game
[18:50] <thedoctor> its a game ?
[18:50] <Mydim3> no
[18:50] <thedoctor> for a game ?
[18:50] <Mydim3> yea
[18:50] <Mydim3> teamviewer lets u cintroll
[18:50] <Mydim3> the other peopls pc
[18:50] <Mydim3> controll
[18:51] <Mydim3> :(
[18:52] <Mydim3> its free
[18:52] <Mydim3> and it needs little space
[19:28] <Mydim3> does anybody have teamviewer?
[19:28] <mkdmz> Anyone here created custom mimetypes?
[19:29] <Mydim3> mimetypes?
[19:30] <mkdmz> I have a bash script that launches my pygtk.  I have a custom document that I want to identify with an icon.  I've followed this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingMimeTypes, and http://lkubaski.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/understanding-file-associations-in-lxde-and-pcmanfm/ and this  https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/mime.html.en
[19:31] <mkdmz> Nothing is working except that I can double click on my icon and it launches, but I can't get the icon to show up, even after loggin in and out.
[19:31] <mkdmz> In short, eveyting worked on those links, except the icon advice.  My custom Icon does not show up for my docuement.  Any ideas?
[19:36] <Mydim3> err
[19:37] <Mydim3> that one is a head scratcher
[20:16] <Ahmuck> I am getting an error message GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
[20:16] <Ahmuck> any idea how to fix
[20:16] <Ahmuck> new install and updated
[20:16] <holstein> is anythig broken?
[20:17] <Ahmuck> well, yes
[20:17] <Ahmuck> it keeps spiting out the message and re-populating the tray icons
[20:17] <holstein> it?
[20:18] <Ahmuck> lubuntu
[20:18] <Ahmuck> holstein: u know general english?
[20:19] <holstein> Ahmuck: im quite versed friend
[20:19] <holstein> Ahmuck: i just dont know what "it" is..
[20:19] <holstein> Ahmuck: any details you can supply volunteers can help us assist you
[20:20] <holstein> Ahmuck: where are you seeing these messages? in tty?
[20:20] <holstein> Ahmuck: what "tray icons" specifically are doing what? specifically?
[20:21] <Ahmuck> upon login, this message comes up.  if i close it it comes up again.  every time it closes and re-opens it populates the system tray with a new set of icons.  after 10 of these i now have ten battery icons
[20:22] <holstein> sounds like a power management issue with the hardware.. can you replicate this on a live CD? this would be an easy way to test "nomodeset" and other options from the F6 menu on the live CD
[20:22] <Ahmuck> it does not replicate live CD
[20:23] <Ahmuck> i've had 13.10 installed on this computer before
[20:23] <Ahmuck> new install on a new drive
[20:23] <Ahmuck> but it's not just the batter icon, the wireless, the keyboard, the volume, etc.
[20:24] <holstein> Ahmuck: so, what icons? specifically?
[20:24] <Ahmuck> system tray and indicator applets
[20:24] <Ahmuck> in the panel
[21:23] <Ahmuck> GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
[21:23] <Ahmuck> can someone help me resolve this error?
[21:29] <Ahmuck> lxpolkit is missing
[21:29] <Ahmuck> think i've got it
[21:32] <hedgebass> bonsoir camarades internautes. Y'a-t-il des personnes françaises "dans la salle" ?
[21:37] <hedgebass> Je m'apprête à installer Lubuntu en dual boot sur un pc windows xp pro, j'aurai quelques questions basiques à poser, si possible, SVP !
[21:38] <genii> !fr
[21:38] <hedgebass> très bien, merci pour l'information. Have a good night ! ^^
[21:43] <Ahmuck> nope, still broke
[22:07] <mkdmz> Is there anyone here who understands how to add icons for new mimetypes on Lubuntu?
[22:07] <mkdmz> The online links are not helping.
[22:08] <mkdmz> Lubuntu has created a non-intuitive and aggravating situation in this area, I hope someone actually know whats going on.
[22:12] <phillw> mkdmz: you had a reply from me. I' suggest you ask on the mailing list... lots of more people on there than 'live' on here https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
[22:13] <phillw> get onto the mailing list :)
[22:13] <mkdmz> Eww!  Why would anyone want to communicate that way?
[22:13] <mkdmz> Mailing lists, what a interface assbackwards way to talk.
[22:14] <mkdmz> But I suppose, if you think it really is where people will answer.
[22:14] <phillw> mkdmz: you have had that answered from the head of the art work team. As he has taken time out to answer you personally now makes me have have issues.
[22:15] <phillw> Unit193: do DE, you kicked him off... go sort.
[22:15] <phillw> *NO De,
[22:19] <mkdmz> phillw: Well I see a forum, is that linked with the mailing lists, do they all get the same converstations?
[22:20] <mkdmz> I prefer forums over mailing lists.
[22:20] <phillw> mkdmz: have a read of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams
[22:20] <mkdmz> Mailing lists are like long email conversations that attach every converstation in each reply, can't stand that.
[22:21] <mkdmz> I mean every reply is like the entire conversation in it.
[22:21] <phillw> mkdmz: as lubuntu are scattered accross the world, on different time zones, you have to accept it.
[22:23] <mkdmz> well, I start learning cocoa on mailing list ironically on the platform that is the Interface King.
[22:25] <phillw> pcman, the guy behind pcmanfm, is a consultant surgeon in Taiewan... what hours will he keep? mkdmz but I assure you of one thing... If you were there and got run over, you'd hope for him and medicalwili to look after you..... You, LINUX IS RUN BY VOLUNTEERS, most of them more inttelligent than us :D
[22:28] <mkdmz> phillw: I can ask on the mailing list, I take your advice.  I will write all the command line stuff I do exactly so there is no assumptions.  But, in the case no one answers, could you point me to some way I could sent an email to a person who would know? This way if I could send them to the question to anyone following in my footsteps could also benefit.
[22:32] <phillw> mkdmz: trust me, you will get an answer.... If not in 48 hours, ping me on here and I'll go hunting. mkdmz there are 63 people on here and 756 active members on the email.... guess what is better :)
[22:32] <mkdmz> ok phillw , thanks, I'm going to write up the question now.
[22:33] <phillw><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:59] <DJ__> hi. i am trying to install lubuntu-desktop but i keep getting Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/lubuntu-default-settings_0.39_all.deb
[23:01] <DJ__> here is how it looks like when i try to install: http://pastebin.com/eRwHU8pS
[23:01] <DJ__> any ideas?
[23:16] <ianorlin> dj_beirut: what version of lubuntu? also I can't see your paste
[23:23] <dj_beirut> ianorlin it's not a lubuntu installation. it's xbmubuntu. i am just trying to install lubuntu-desktop
[23:24] <dj_beirut> ianorlin here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/i7jq6GbJ
[23:26] <dj_beirut> Linux MediaCenter 3.13.0-29-generic #53-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 4 21:00:20 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:35] <ianorlin> xmbcbuntu isn't a supported flavor here I don't think and that is one of the things they added not letting you install lubuntu-default settings as it already has one of the file from lubuntu defualt settings
[23:38] <dj_beirut> ianorlin can i overwrite that file?
[23:39] <ianorlin> you could but why are you installing lubuntu-default settings onto a media center?
[23:48] <dj_beirut> ianorlin because the machine i am using as a media center has so much power i would like to be able to login to it remotely and use it to other stuff than just media center. i was thinking of using x2go wich i use on my vps too


[09:01] <davmor3> popey: the six apps in the top section do they open for you or goto the info on them
[09:47] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1341262
[09:47] <popey> in case anyone else wants to confirm what dave said above
[20:06] <popey> anyone else seeing bug 1341345 ?
[21:15] <ahayzen> popey, yep
[21:23] <popey> thanks


[04:45] <xubuntu48w> how do i turn of the screesaver on xubuntu 14, peeps pls?
[08:16] <dodeluser> hello. how can I remove certain items from xfce menu. if you look here http://snag.gy/sA8t2.jpg     I want to remove the items "file manager, webbrowser, terminal emulator"
[08:16] <dodeluser> via config files.. I have these 4 files that I can edit, which are saved under /home/username/.config/menus/
[08:17] <dodeluser> gnome-applications.menu
[08:17] <dodeluser> gnome-flashback-applications.menu
[08:17] <dodeluser> xfce-applications.menu
[08:17] <dodeluser> xfce-settings-manager.menu
[08:17] <dodeluser> But I cannot find where to delete those entries
[09:58] <El_Presidente> hello, i updated two weeks ago to xubuntu 15.04 and since then the login into my user takes ages till i can use the desktop. i have a pretty decent system with an ssd and xubuntu 14.10 was on that particular spot extremely fast
[10:03] <brainwash> El_Presidente: can you describe the time frame until the desktop is usable in more detail? is the wallpaper only visible? did other elements like the panel load immediately?
[10:04] <El_Presidente> the top bar is almost immedately visible
[10:04] <El_Presidente> the background is grey
[10:04] <El_Presidente> it takes then about 10 seconds till the background and the icons appear
[10:06] <El_Presidente> also the xubuntu start button acts very delayed till the wallpaper / icons appear
[10:07] <brainwash> El_Presidente: you could run "killall xfdesktop" and see how much time it takes to reload the desktop
[10:07] <El_Presidente> okay will do
[10:07] <brainwash> and look at the session log file ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[10:07] <El_Presidente> its there instantly
[10:08] <brainwash> ok
[10:08] <El_Presidente> do you want a pastebin of the file?
[10:08] <brainwash> I guess
[10:10] <brainwash> oh, one important step in the debug progress is to check if the strange behavior is reproducible with the guest session (or a new user account)
[10:10] <El_Presidente> ok i will check that asap
[10:10] <brainwash> you've upgraded to a newer release, so you are reusing an older user account most likely
[10:11] <El_Presidente> indeed
[10:11] <El_Presidente> hmm it seems the logfile rotation grabbed my log file in this moment
[10:12] <El_Presidente> i will test with a new user first
[10:12] <El_Presidente> brb
[10:12] <brainwash> alright
[10:15] <El_Presidente> well the new user has its desktop icons almost immediately there
[10:15] <El_Presidente> and my other account takes the 10 seconds
[10:16] <brainwash> could be something in your ~/.config/autostart
[10:17] <El_Presidente> brainwash, http://pastebin.com/SJS0MpAD this is the old startxfce4
[10:17] <brainwash> or maybe the result of restoring the previous session on session start
[10:17] <brainwash> (settings manager > session and startup > session > clear cache)
[10:18] <El_Presidente> well there are no windows open or so
[10:18] <El_Presidente> but i can give it a try
[10:19] <El_Presidente> brb
[10:19] <El_Presidente> well that was notably faster
[10:20] <El_Presidente> still not as fast as the pristine account
[10:20] <El_Presidente> but ok
[10:20] <brainwash> take a look at settings manager > session and startup > startup apps
[10:21] <El_Presidente> i make a screen
[10:21] <brainwash> you can also rename ~/.config/xfce4 to reset your Xfce specific settings, and see if this helps
[10:22] <El_Presidente> its not much in there
[10:22] <El_Presidente> xfwm4  / thunar / xfce4-panel / xfsettingsd / xfdesktop / energieverwaltung / pulseaudio
[10:23] <brainwash> from the session tab?
[10:23] <El_Presidente> yes
[10:23] <brainwash> and the startup applications tab?
[10:24] <El_Presidente> now i will upload both ...
[10:25] <El_Presidente> http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=7d0b87-1431686057.png
[10:26] <El_Presidente> it looks pretty standard for me
[10:27] <brainwash> it does
[10:27] <El_Presidente> well the delay is now at 2 seconds
[10:27] <El_Presidente> that is tolerable for me
[10:28] <brainwash> yeah, the difference may be result of you having many desktop icons or panel plugins added to your panel or something like that
[10:28] <El_Presidente> could be
[10:28] <El_Presidente> thank you for your time brainwash
[10:28] <El_Presidente> :)
[10:28] <brainwash> you're welcome :)
[12:07] <knob> Good morning everyone!!
[15:02] <redraw> hey
[15:02] <redraw> it would be nice if network manager indicator icon tells you there's no internet
[15:04] <drc> redraw: Actually, it does.  I just disconnected my (wired) connection and the indicator icon changed from a bright white to dull grey, Plugged it back in and it returned to the origibal white.
[15:05] <drc> This presumes one is using the default icoon set, of course.
[15:05] <redraw> drc, mm yes
[15:05] <redraw> but
[15:05] <redraw> in wireless connection I may be connected to a router
[15:06] <redraw> and because router is working, and I am connected to a LAN, it shows as connected
[15:06] <drc> So what you want is to be told that "the router" is not connected?
[15:06] <redraw> yes = no internet on the machine
[15:08] <drc> So, if one is connected to an "intra"net and not a "inter"net, it will show the connection as down?
[15:08] <redraw> well, maybe another color, not as down
[15:10] <redraw> windows shows an alert inside the icon when this happens, which isn't fully right as you point if you are connected to an intranet
[15:10] <redraw> but, using another color could be an option.
[15:10] <drc> Put it in the widh list
[15:10] <drc> s/widh/wish/
[15:11] <drc> or...code it yourself and submit it.
[15:12] <redraw> i'll write it on the wish list
[15:12] <redraw> where does it live?
[15:12] <redraw> i'll code it write now if i knew.
[15:13] <drc> No idea...I <think> one can file a bug report and label it as "wish".  Think, mind you.
[15:14] <drc> Not a bad idea...there have been times I could have used something like this.
[15:18] <drc> redraw: FYI, what you are looking at is "network-manager-gnome <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4", so I'm not sure whether you'd have to talk to 1) ubuntu or 2) gnome.
[15:20] <redraw> i haven't talked yet
[15:20] <redraw> so that's the package
[15:21] <redraw> do you mean that is the package to make the request, or you are saying that what I am saying is already implemented?
[15:21] <redraw> @drc
[15:22] <drc> 1) yes, 2) no.
[15:24] <redraw> ok
[15:24] <drc> redraw: You might as on #xubuntu-devel as to the correct way and place to file-the-bug/make-the-request...they'd probably know.
[15:24] <drc> s/as/ask/
[15:25] <redraw> ok, thanks!
[15:26] <drc> You misht nort get an immediate answer, but soon or later someone will know and answer (probably :)
[15:26] <drc>   sudo fingers-learn-how-to-type :(
[15:29] <redraw> that isn't fixed with regex :p
[15:30] <drc> For me, it's not fixed with anything.
[15:30] <redraw> xD
[16:54] <eatmyid> Hello.
[16:56] <eatmyid> Just about to d/l & try xubunu, is there any reason not to choose 15.04?
[16:56] <pleia2> eatmyid: I recommend reading the release announcement and deciding for yourself: http://xubuntu.org/news/15-04-release/
[16:59] <drc> eatmyid: Unless you have a problem with any of the Known Issues listed in the link pleia2 gave you, nope, no reason not to...has worked flawlessly for me since Beta 1.
[17:02] <eatmyid> Ya, can't see any problems. Does 14.03 have the same pkg versions/updates, inc xfce 4.12?
[17:03] <pleia2> only 15.04 has 4.12 supported by default, 14.04 and 14.10 do not (there is no 14.03)
[17:03] <drc> You mean 14.04?  Nope, 15.04 has xfce 4.12, not 4.10
[17:04] <eatmyid> ;) my mistake.
[17:04] <eatmyid> 14.04
[17:04] <drc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu should give you more information.
[17:05] <drc> and http://xfce.org/download/changelogs/4.12 for the updates in xfce 4.12
[17:06] <eatmyid> Ok 15.04/4.12 it is then.
[17:06] <eatmyid> TY all.
[17:06] <drc> np, enjoy
[18:20] <eatmyid> Is there no checksum for 15.04?
[18:23] <brainwash> eatmyid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[18:24] <eatmyid> thanks brainwash
[20:11] <parsnip> is there a way to see all workspaces?
[20:12] <parsnip> like zoom out to an overview?
[20:14] <Unit193> Well, xfdashboard can do that...
[20:17] <parsnip> hmm, thank you. i was hoping something a little more minimal like https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TpVFQJqQ9nQ/hqdefault.jpg
[20:17] <parsnip> xfdashboard looks more like gnome 3 dealy.
[20:39] <bynarie> has anyone here installed nvidia-349 on xubuntu 15.04 successfully???
[20:40] <bynarie> everytime i do, it crashes the whole system and cant get to a shell or anything
[20:44] <drc> bynarie: Have you tried -349 on any other distros, and did it work (if so, what version of the kernel were they using?)?
[20:44] <drc> bynarie: What version of the kernel are you using with 15.04, .15 or .16?
[20:45] <bynarie> well i was originally using the stock 3.19 kernel with xubuntu 15.04, tried nvidia349.. no go
[20:45] <bynarie> only ubuntu, no other distros
[20:45] <drc> bynarie: Does the 340 kernel that xubuntu lists in Additional Drivers work?
[20:45] <bynarie> hm.. mine does not have a 340
[20:46] <bynarie> i got 4 - 346.xx
[20:46] <bynarie> and right now im running kernel 4.0.1
[20:47] <drc> Must be the kernel4 :)
[20:47] <bynarie> yea, but i have also tried with the stock 3.19
[20:47] <bynarie> still didnt work =[
[20:48] <drc> with the stock .16 kernel I get 2 340's , tested and updates.
[20:48] <bynarie> hm
[20:48] <bynarie> oh well ill figure it out
[20:49] <drc> No idea then, sorry
[20:49] <bynarie> im only trying to change because of the bug where the cursor disappears at top of screen
[20:49] <bynarie> have you heard of this?
[20:49] <bynarie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-346/+bug/1440012
[20:49] <drc> nope, and I don't see that behavior on my box.
[20:50] <drc> but then I use -340-updated.
[20:50] <bynarie> are you using the standard repos for nvidia drivers?
[20:50] <drc> yes
[20:50] <bynarie> oh my bad.. i do have a 340
[20:50] <bynarie> ill switch and see if that makes a difference
[20:51] <bynarie> what would be the difference between the 340-updates and 340
[20:51] <drc> TBH, not sure, but I've always gone with updated and never had a problem..
[20:51] <bynarie> ok
[20:52] <bynarie> ill give it a shot.. thanks
[20:53] <drc> bynarie: so what you're going to try is kernel4+nvidia-340-something?
[20:53] <bynarie> yes
[20:54] <drc> let us know?
[20:54] <bynarie> i will
[20:54] <bynarie> one sec
[21:12] <bynarie> well i was actually able to install 349
[21:12] <bynarie> BUT if i run apt-get upgrade, some reason when i reboot my system crashes
[21:15] <nomic> upgrade upgrades version # of your system
[21:15] <nomic> ubuntu version #
[21:27] <bekks> nomic: No it doesnt ;)
[21:27] <nomic> ok
[21:27] <bekks> do-release-upgrade upgrades the version of your ubuntu, update fetches repository content files, upgrade installs upgrades of installed packages, and dist-upgrade does the same, but more safely.
[21:28] <nomic> i see
[21:28] <nomic> DIST. upgrade
[21:28] <nomic> ok tyvm
[22:03] <Ricky_> hey, I'm trying to define the a button-up action for the system shortcuts. is that actually possible?
[22:07] <Ricky_> and is there any chance, that the shortcut-bug for input methods are going to be fixed in near future? I was trying ubunto about > 6 years ago and it also didn't work back then :/
[22:10] <xubuntu42w> hi, why does xubuntu not support mtp by default?
[22:19] <xubuntu42w> I have permission problems with mtp support on xubuntu. I need help.
[23:12] <bazhang> !info gmtp
[23:12] <bazhang> try that, never mind the description


[00:51] <SpamapS> wow.. sitting here thinking I might be able to hack out some kind of LXC provider. Everything is twisted around twisted. :-P
[00:59] <m_3> SpamapS: you can test out an LXC ensemble entirely within a KVM vm.. <grin>
[01:00] <m_3> SpamapS: ssounds fun man
[01:09] <SpamapS> m_3: just trying to wrap my head around how to make "deferred" objects for commands that will run locally is kind of weird. I wish it was more straightforward. :p
[01:09]  * SpamapS prefers threads and locking to event based and non-blocking. :p
[01:11] <hazmat> SpamapS, coroutines ftw
[01:11] <SpamapS> hazmat: indeed :)
[01:12] <hazmat> event based isn't the problem per se.. callback oriented programming is not fun
[01:12] <SpamapS> It can be.. gearman makes it pretty simple.. but thats because you say "when told to do X, run function Y".. same with libevent ..
[01:12] <hazmat> SpamapS, what are you looking into?
[01:12] <SpamapS> twisted seems to take it 2 or 3 steps further. :-P
[01:12] <hazmat> SpamapS, yeah... ruby 1.9 fibers with libevent are nice
[01:12] <SpamapS> hazmat: I'm tired of whining about having LXC .. i want to JFDI
[01:13] <hazmat> SpamapS, awesome! ;-) how's it going so far?
[01:13] <SpamapS> hazmat: mostly just renaming stuff.. the spots that reference txaws .. I need an equivilent for lxc basically
[01:13] <m_3> SpamapS: libvirt in-between or not?
[01:14] <hazmat> SpamapS, yeah.. the dummy provider is probably your best starting point
[01:14] <SpamapS> I'd love to use libvirt but at this point I'm not really very well versed in working with virsh or libvirt.. whereas I know all the steps involved for direct LXC containers.
[01:14] <SpamapS> hazmat: I hadn't thought of that.. I'll take another stab later tonight w/ the dummy provider.. the EC2 one has so much .. ec2-ness.. ;)
[01:15] <SpamapS> Some things that EC2 wraps in an API call we'll have to emulate.. like generating Ids and allocating storage.. but thats not really all that difficult given that the target is just the local machine.
[01:15] <hazmat> SpamapS, ic some benefits of libvirt on the desktop.. but mainly that its already got the networking work setup.
[01:15] <SpamapS> hazmat: lxc has the networking stuff done too
[01:17] <SpamapS> there are basically 3 steps.. pick bridged or not.. lxc-create to create your container image.. lxc-start to boot it.
[01:17] <hazmat> SpamapS, it still requires some manual setup of dnsmasq vs. libvirt
[01:17] <SpamapS> hazmat: if you've setup libvirt once, it "just works" magically. :)
[01:17] <SpamapS> its kind of cheating..
[01:18] <hazmat> SpamapS, anyways.. libvirt definitely has a lot more moving parts, if you want to go straight lxc, that rocks as well
[01:18] <SpamapS> hazmat: so I guess lxc doesn't have it directly worked out.. but 'Depends: libvirt-bin' is kind of all you need.
[01:19] <SpamapS> hazmat: would love to do it w/ libvirt .. gains a lot of ability to have kvm and qemu
[01:19] <SpamapS> anyway, I'll keep pounding on it. :-P
[01:19] <hazmat> SpamapS, indeed.. that would be nice with orchestra
[01:19] <hazmat> SpamapS, cool.. if you got any questions i'll be around
[01:20] <m_3> SpamapS: libvirt would rock... either way would be great though!
[01:20] <SpamapS> hazmat: sweet. :)
[01:20] <SpamapS> Yeah I'm just kind of tired of waiting on the 1s latency for every command (even w/ open-tunnel) chatting with Amazon.
[01:20] <SpamapS> and not spending $1.25/formula change to run all my tests would be good too. :)
[01:21]  * SpamapS disappears
[04:20] <hazmat__>  SpamapS out of curiosity outside of the current dir for hooks, are there any other things you think need working on in the formula dev cycle? leader election perhaps? or..?
[08:28] <kim0> morning everyone
[12:35] <hazmat__> g
[13:34] <kim0> hazmat__: hmm .. I cannot connect to a bootstrap node .. getting → ERROR Can't yet connect to started machine: Invalid SSH key
[13:34] <kim0> was this part of the code changed recently ?
[13:50] <hazmat__> kim0: no its the same
[13:51] <hazmat__> kim0: its possible cloud-init hasn
[13:51] <kim0> hazmat__: yeah .. I viewed the key ssh inserts and it's not mine
[13:51] <hazmat__> dropped the ssh key yet
[13:51] <kim0> any idea where that key comes from
[13:51] <hazmat__> kim0: odd.. its sniffed from your home directory ~/.ssh else its pulled from an explicit path or content specified in environments.yaml
[13:52] <kim0> hmm
[17:06] <SpamapS> so, have we all seen this yet? http://www.livestream.com/oreillyconfs/video?clipId=pla_ae0330db-596b-4b7d-ad28-ccd6ec230b7d&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb
[17:13] <SpamapS> It appears to me that cast isn't really all that similar to ensemble in its design, and limits its focus to "deployment" instead of "service orchestration"
[17:13] <SpamapS> still, we need to start giving these exact kind of lightning talks
[17:14] <m_3> SpamapS: agree
[17:15] <hazmat__> SpamapS: interesting, haven't seen it yet, thanks for the pointer
[17:15] <SpamapS> one slide.. they want it to be a 'zookeeper-lite'
[17:27] <kim0> is zk-lite the so called noah ..
[17:39] <SpamapS> So, I'm thinking of importing all of the non-ubuntu formulas into principia, but separating them out using a file in principia-tools.. one for "contrib" and one for "principia" .. contrib being formulas that make use of software not in the formula and/or ubuntu itself.
[17:40] <SpamapS> Anybody have thoughts? (I'll send this to the ML too)
[17:41] <kim0> +1 for raising visibility .. yesternight I was contemplating formulizing bigcouch .. and was discouraged since it wasn't packaged either duh
[17:41] <m_3> +1 shows examples of how formulas will be actually used in the wild
[17:41] <kim0> Yes
[17:42] <SpamapS> kim0: well.. there are .. I dunno.. 1000 things already in the archive that you could write formulas for...
[17:43] <SpamapS> Its intriguing that people are submitting more formulas for stuff not in Ubuntu than stuff in Ubuntu.
[17:44] <m_3> SpamapS: some of that's laziness too... less constrained... less debconf
[17:44] <sidnei> was about to say that
[17:44] <m_3> path of least resistance
[17:45] <SpamapS> The constraints are there to protect users though.
[17:45] <m_3> it's important we put out as many as we can off the packages... to show how
[17:45] <m_3> and, most importantly, for them to clone / cut-paste
[17:46] <SpamapS> And truthfully.. packaging makes it easier to write a formula. :)
[17:46] <m_3> SpamapS: so contrib's critical, but we should always prefer packages when possible
[17:46] <m_3> SpamapS: harder maintainer's job
[17:46] <SpamapS> Well I'm not so sure what we prefer will matter all that much..
[17:46] <m_3> SpamapS: ha
[17:46] <m_3> SpamapS: yes
[17:47] <SpamapS> This is a non issue for Ubuntu.. they don't offer anything that can't be in the archive.
[17:47] <m_3> SpamapS: easy to find (search) examples that can be forked
[17:47] <SpamapS> But this is sort of like the flash installer..
[17:47] <SpamapS> Its a formula tha downloads what you want.
[17:48] <SpamapS> I wonder.. maybe we should make it a policy that if you download the software from somewhere else, you must be able to cryptographically verify it.
[17:48] <m_3> SpamapS: oooh, hotbutton analogy
[17:48] <SpamapS> Like, we'll be signing formulas.. so drop the accepted key in there, and gpg --verify the tarball.
[17:49] <m_3> wow, that's pretty limiting
[17:50] <m_3> as a user, I'd wanna pull from my repo... crypto be damned
[17:50] <SpamapS> I'm talking only about principia
[17:50] <SpamapS> as a user, write a formula that rm -rf's /
[17:50] <SpamapS> I don't care
[17:50] <m_3> SpamapS: oh, right... sorry
[17:51] <SpamapS> But for distributing to others..
[17:51] <SpamapS> I'm suggesting that we should hav a social contract, like Debian and Ubuntu, that tells users what they can expect from the default ensemble formula namespaces.
[17:54] <m_3> SpamapS: is it too much of a hassle to implement later?
[17:54] <m_3> SpamapS: i.e., anything goes for now while we're getting the word out?
[17:55] <SpamapS> Anything goes, until somebody's database winds up in a russian hacker's hands. ;)
[17:55] <m_3> SpamapS: although trust/integrity is important... don't have an answer
[17:55] <m_3> SpamapS: right
[17:55] <SpamapS> This isn't that hard.
[17:55] <SpamapS> Its not like we're asking everybody to have two signatures from our keyring.
[17:55] <m_3> SpamapS: worth trying... see what it does to constraints in contrib
[17:56] <SpamapS> Just verify the tarball.
[17:56] <SpamapS> Honestly if its not verifiable.. then its not suitable for common distribution.
[17:56] <SpamapS> We can make some tools for making it easy too.
[17:57] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-ec2-provider r260 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:57] <_mup_> Initial commit
[17:57] <SpamapS> Of course.. I tend to call those tools.. dpkg and debhelper.. ;)
[17:57] <m_3> SpamapS: yup
[17:58] <m_3> SpamapS: there are plans for an open formula exchange?
[18:10] <SpamapS> m_3: yes, it should end up working just like PPA's
[18:20] <_mup_> txzookeeper/session-event-handling r48 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:20] <_mup_> add a test for expired session events, address some review comments [1-3]
[18:46] <kim0> niemeyer: SpamapS hazmat jimbaker .. I'm starting to push Ensemble outside our usual circle of readers, by getting the word out through guest articles on other high traffic sites. Infoq.com have sent me a preliminary approval, so I'm starting with them. Here is the very crude article I have today (stealing great content from SpamapS :) http://j.mp/lVUEuZ .. It's crude at the moment (just done writing it) .. but your feedback (direct edits or comment
[18:47] <kim0> Also it might be a good idea to add a section about Ensemble's software architecture ... if any of the devs is interested in adding that part
[18:47] <kim0> v0ld3m0rt: hi there
[18:49] <v0ld3m0rt> hi..
[18:50] <kim0> v0ld3m0rt: first time to land in #ubuntu-ensemble ?
[18:50] <v0ld3m0rt> yep
[18:50] <kim0> Then you're up for the official welcome
[18:50]  * kim0 prepares a Royal ceremony :)
[18:50] <v0ld3m0rt> thank u...
[18:50] <v0ld3m0rt> lolz..
[18:50] <kim0> hehe
[18:51] <v0ld3m0rt> i wud be starting on ensemble..
[18:51] <kim0> v0ld3m0rt: how did you find out about ensemble
[18:51] <kim0> great news!
[18:51] <v0ld3m0rt> i have been a inquisitive developer..
[18:51] <v0ld3m0rt> i like to explore mailing lists and forums..
[18:51] <kim0> good find!
[18:52] <v0ld3m0rt> so thats where i heard abt ensemble..
[18:52] <kim0> v0ld3m0rt: so have you already played with it .. read the docs ..etc yet ?
[18:53] <v0ld3m0rt> i hv just started.
[18:53] <kim0> v0ld3m0rt: check out https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/docs/ then :)
[18:53] <v0ld3m0rt> oh..thankyou..
[18:54] <v0ld3m0rt> i was looking for that..
[18:54] <v0ld3m0rt> though i started with code..
[18:54] <v0ld3m0rt> just to get feel of it..
[18:54] <kim0> yeah
[18:55] <kim0> v0ld3m0rt: feel free to grab me anytime to help with anything .. enjoy hacking
[18:55] <v0ld3m0rt> yeah sure....thank u very much....
[18:55] <v0ld3m0rt> u guys are really friendly..
[18:55] <v0ld3m0rt> :)
[18:55] <kim0> hehe :)
[18:56] <SpamapS> hazmat: so, this special AMI that we're using .. I need to duplicate that for the LXC thing I'm working on
[18:57] <SpamapS> hazmat: any tips on where to find the bits that do that?
[19:15] <SpamapS> hazmat: also, since the copyright MP doesn't change any code.. can you just merge it, or do you want to wait for a 2nd +1 ?
[19:15] <SpamapS> hazmat: err, the txzookeeper merge I mean
[19:20] <SpamapS> ahh.. bin/ensemble-make-image
[19:20]  * SpamapS wonders if he can just run that
[19:21] <SpamapS> dur.. no
[19:24] <m_3> SpamapS: ubuntu-vm-builder and then copy dpkg selections over from the AMI?
[19:24] <m_3> SpamapS: AMI's gonna have all the /etc/init/cloud-init metadata deps anyways
[19:31] <SpamapS> lxc has a simpler shell script based template that I'm using..
[19:31] <SpamapS> just finishing the cloud-init bits.
[19:32] <hazmat> SpamapS, i'll just merge it
[19:33] <hazmat> SpamapS, the bits are in a couple of pieces for the install. the ec2 providers launch setups a cloud config that will effectively recreate it (on a vanilla image)
[19:35] <hazmat> SpamapS, common packages defined in ensemble/providers/common.py which gets formatted by ensemble/providers/ec2/utils format_cloud_ini ... the actual commands run to setup the agents are passed to format_cloud_ini by ensemble/providers/ec2/launch.py and differ depending on if its a bootstrap node vs. service unit node.
[19:36] <hazmat> SpamapS, the bin/ensemble-make-image script is used to create the images with the packages preinstalled
[19:36] <hazmat> the images haven't been updated yet to default to the ppa
[19:37] <SpamapS> hazmat: So what I'm doing is setting an environment variable 'ENSEMBLE_LXC_PROVIDER_CONFIG' which is a script the lxc template will run to configure the agent startup, since I"m not entirely sure how to make cloud-init read a local file.
[19:38] <SpamapS> Since everything else seems to be the same, I'm doing all of that in the initial "bootstrap" phase which is basically like making an AMI. :)
[19:42] <hazmat> SpamapS, SpamapS, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/seed/README
[19:42] <hazmat> SpamapS, smoser pointed that out to me a few weeks ago
[19:42] <hazmat> as docs on using the on disk data for cloud-init
[19:43] <SpamapS> Yeah
[19:43] <SpamapS> So the format_cloud_ini call is in the wrong place
[19:43] <SpamapS> should be in common
[19:43] <SpamapS> s/call/definition
[19:43] <hazmat> SpamapS, agreed
[19:45] <SpamapS> Oh man, I hate when I try to work on Ensemble and end up working on Ensmeble
[19:45] <SpamapS>    if [ -n "$ENSMEBLE_LXC_PROVIDER_CONFIG" ] ; then
[19:45] <SpamapS>         $ENSMEBLE_LXC_PROVIDER_CONFIG $rootfs
[19:45] <SpamapS> consistent mispellur
[19:47] <m_3> SpamapS: my fingers kept doing ensemple for the longest time
[19:56] <SpamapS> hazmat: seems like a lot of the stuff in ec2 should be common
[19:57] <hazmat> SpamapS, you mean from ec2.utils or other stuff?
[19:57] <SpamapS> hazmat: there's really nothing EC2 about ec2.get_machine_variables
[19:57] <SpamapS> hazmat: except the curl to get the instance-id .. but.. hrm.
[19:58] <SpamapS> maybe not
[19:59] <hazmat> SpamapS, yeah.. that does look pretty generically useful
[19:59] <hazmat> get machine options has some ec2 specifics, but the variables are meant for cloud init formatting
[19:59] <SpamapS> hazmat: the curl to get the instance-id seems a bit of a hack .. we should be able to just pass that in.
[20:00] <hazmat> SpamapS, user-data is passed in the api that returns the instance id
[20:01] <SpamapS> Ok, I'm going to go try having a sip of 5 hour energy and see if I can actually think this through. :-P
[20:01]  * SpamapS suddenly feels he has lost most cognitive function
[20:03]  * hazmat recommends coffee
[20:04] <hazmat> "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion."
[20:05] <m_3> hazmat: nice
[20:05] <hazmat> classic dune derivation
[20:08] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-ec2-provider r261 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:08] <_mup_> Fix open_port/close_port spike
[23:20] <SpamapS> hazmat: there's a *ton* of useful generic code in ec2/launch.py
[23:21]  * SpamapS 's been refactoring on En-Sem-Ble... alll the live long daaaay
[23:21] <SpamapS> most of it just copies right into common.py without modification... just nice little generic routines for setting up a machine to run the agents and such
[23:22] <hazmat> SpamapS, nice
[23:45] <SpamapS> Could not find the main class: org.apache.zookeeper.server.quorum.QuorumPeerMain. Program will exit.
[23:45] <SpamapS> Hrm.. how do I run the test suite?
[23:47] <ajmitch> SpamapS: how are you going at getting this into debian?
[23:48] <SpamapS> ajmitch: Not much traction thus far.
[23:48] <ajmitch> is the hold up sponsorship or getting it ready?
[23:48] <SpamapS> ajmitch: sponsorship, but truthfully, I think i need to re-submit txzookeeper with the license clarified.
[23:49]  * ajmitch can probably help out with some sponsorship at least
[23:49] <SpamapS> ajmitch: given the ubuntu-specific nature of ensemble today.. its not 100% critical it go into Debian. It currently hard-codes an AMI that is Ubuntu.. so it can't even drive a Debian EC2 node.
[23:49] <SpamapS> ajmitch: much appreciated! :)
[23:50] <ajmitch> being less ubuntu-specific in the future would be nice :)
[23:50] <SpamapS> But I figure getting ensemble, the client, onto as many platforms as possible, is a good idea. :)
[23:50] <SpamapS> ajmitch: thats up to the community. We're.. kind of focused on that platform. :)
[23:50]  * SpamapS points to the channel name.. and domain name.. and funding party..
[23:50] <ajmitch> I can't imagine why :P
[23:51] <SpamapS> ajmitch: honestly it should be easily doable. Especially if other platforms adopt cloud-init.
[23:51] <SpamapS> Scary as it sounds, ensemble should be pretty easily portable to the Amazon AMI's
[23:52] <ajmitch> I'm still a bit fuzzy on the details of how the bits fit together
[23:52] <SpamapS> ajmitch: We need more pictures
[23:53] <ajmitch> such as whether it relies on ec2/similar cloud platforms
[23:54] <SpamapS> Right now, the only "provider" is EC2
[23:54] <SpamapS> which actually means Eucalyptus and OpenStack should work
[23:54] <SpamapS> I'm working on a local-only LXC provider so I can develop while disconnected and not sit waiting for Amazon constantly. :)
[23:55] <ajmitch> my 'development environment' at work is simply using virtualbox on a desktop with plenty of RAM :)
[23:55] <SpamapS> This is the typical engineer idea.. "I can't possibly wait 1 second for every command.. so I'll spend 40 hours writing a solution."
[23:55] <SpamapS> ajmitch: Yeah, LXC should alleviate some of that RAM requirement.. shared VFS cache.. shared heap.
[23:56] <ajmitch> I'd probably need to grab that backported kernel to do so, running on lucid
[23:56] <SpamapS> chroot + network isolation basically
[23:56] <SpamapS> Yeah, you would. :P
[23:56] <SpamapS> But I hear that it works quite well.
[23:58] <ajmitch> a bit worrying to see that zookeeper will be orphaned in debian
[23:59] <SpamapS> Thats a tempest in a teapot.
[23:59] <ajmitch> probably
[23:59] <SpamapS> We'll be taking on maintenance of it if nobody else wants it more.
[23:59]  * ajmitch always thinks of zookeepr, which is rather different :)
[23:59] <SpamapS> James Page, one of our guys who has been active w/ the debian java team, has drafted an email and we should be on our way to taking it on soon. Plus I'm actively seeking DD status.


[05:31] <RAOF> Aaargh. How do I convince Launchpad that my gpg key is not expired? keyserver.ubuntu.com sees my keys with an expiry of 2019-06-07!
[05:40] <jamesh> RAOF: try pushing your key to keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[05:40] <jamesh> oh.  It already has the up to date version
[05:41] <RAOF> Yup! It's been up there for a number of weeks.
[06:21] <jamesh> RAOF: are you able to remove and re-add the key?
[06:21] <jamesh> I'm just wondering if it stops checking the key once it believes it is expired
[06:23] <RAOF> jamesh: not on launchpad. I can deactivate, and then fall to reactivate because launchpad considers the key expired, though 🤦♂
[06:26] <RAOF> There's apparently an ongoing failure with key server replication.
[06:30] <jamesh> My memory was that the gpg code in LP would always start by importing the key, so it shouldn't be a stale version of the key in a ~/.gnupg directory on the app server
[07:05] <RAOF> popey https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1817553 is the `nodejs` plugin failing to handle the simplified case of a single binary; if you can mangle the package.json you can work around it by turning it into the equivalent dictionary.
[11:00] <lesshaste> is it technically possible to boot off a USB stick (say) from a running linux install? This would be to save having to reboot through a BIOS you can't reconfigure for example
[11:11] <SwedeMike> lesshaste: https://linux.die.net/man/8/kexec ?
[11:30] <lesshaste> SwedeMike, that looks exactly it.. thank you
[11:31] <lesshaste> SwedeMike, well it solves the problem of changing kernel.. Now I have to work out how to actually go through the whole boot process
[16:09] <tomreyn> after a chromium-browser crash whoopsie states it cannot report it because "BFD: warning: /tmp/apport_core[..] is truncated" - the core file was indeed truncated. should ubuntu raise those limits in general if some RAM heavy apps are becoming more and more common?
[16:10] <doko> oSoMoN: when do you plan the next lo upload for bionic?
[16:24] <teward> anyone know why debuild and such can't verify my new PGP key that I'm using for things, even though I have the private key and such in my keyring...? o.O
[16:26] <ahasenack> hi, any idea why the backuppc dep8 tests didn't run for trusty? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/trusty/update_excuses.html#backuppc
[16:26] <seb128> teward, did you use -k<...> or change the default?
[16:26] <ahasenack> this is an update that added them
[16:26] <ahasenack> it worked in the xenial case (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html#backuppc)
[16:26] <LocutusOfBorg> teward, ~/.devscripts ?
[16:26] <teward> seb128: shouldn't it inherit DEBSIGN_KEYID from devscripts?
[16:27] <teward> 'cause the key i'm signing with and it's prompting for my passcode for *is* the key i've stated in that in devscripts
[16:27] <seb128> what error do you get?
[16:28] <LocutusOfBorg> somewhere I exported also DEB_SIGN_KEYID
[16:28] <teward> seb128: ahhh I see, it's when i dput and it tries to sig-verify it fails
[16:28] <teward> but debuild works without issue and DOES sign with the key
[16:28] <teward> *needs more coffee*
[16:29] <teward> still interesting that dput won't verify the signature with the key that's in my keyring :|
[16:30] <teward> or does it use a different keyring?
[16:34] <teward> ahhh i see what happened
[16:34] <teward> seb128: looks like when gpg created my new private and public key pair I'm using, it didn't set the local trust to 'ultimate'.  WHoopsies?
[16:34] <teward> (verification errors have since ceased)
[16:40] <oSoMoN> doko, can do today, shall I use bug #1814133 in the changelog ?
[16:51] <doko> oSoMoN: sure
[16:51] <doko> oSoMoN: I already prepared writer2latex
[16:52] <oSoMoN> ok, I'll prepare an upload soon
[16:56] <doko> oSoMoN: please let me know where I can find it. Need to build it against the security pocket
[17:04] <CarlFK> what are the chances of 50MB being added to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/pending/disco-server-amd64.iso  752M
[17:05] <sladen> 50MB(?)(!)
[17:05] <CarlFK> which will then bump into bug 1807047
[17:06] <CarlFK> \wondering about translation strings or whatever isn't there now but was there for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/18.04/release/ubuntu-18.04.2-server-amd64.iso 883M
[17:16] <bdmurray> jbicha: Why were these patches dropped in gnome-desktop3 for cosmic?
[17:34] <oSoMoN> doko, https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice-6.0.7/
[17:43] <jbicha> bdmurray: because they were included in the new release
[17:47] <bdmurray> jbicha: Got it, I can read now.
[17:56] <doko> oSoMoN: ta, could you upload to ppa:openjdk-11-transition/apps
[17:57] <oSoMoN> doing
[18:10] <oSoMoN> d’oh, my uploads were rejected because they target the security pocket…
[19:37] <vorlon> xnox: do your comments on LP: #1815691 mean you believe the bug is invalid?
[19:48] <bdmurray> vorlon: There's no way for an ordinary user to see that kernel message so I think it should be surfaced better.
[19:48] <vorlon> bdmurray: did making the firmware config change solve the problem for you?
[19:49] <bdmurray> vorlon: I haven't tested that but guess I probably could w/o losing anything.
[19:59] <vorlon> kees, stgraber, mdeslaur, infinity: TB meeting ping
[20:03] <vorlon> bdmurray: if you now have timeouts in apport for gdb hangs, is there anything further to do on https://bugs.launchpad.net/apport/+bug/1760207 ?
[20:40] <bdmurray> vorlon: No, I think I missed flipping it to Fix Released when updating the retracers.
[20:44] <bdmurray> vorlon: although it'd still be best if apport were to install the libc6 version from the crash report as the gdb dep if the gdb dep is unversioned.
[20:47]  * vorlon nods
[20:51] <bdmurray> vorlon: I'll make that a separate bug though
[20:51] <vorlon> ok


[07:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:41] <santa_> morning. I'm about to be done with my latest mass merge proposal \o/
[12:00] <yofel> ok, with upower 0.99 we're losing suspend
[12:03] <yofel> Noskcaj: ^
[12:03] <yofel> I'll take another look if we can somehow use ubuntu's logind
[12:40] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[12:41] <yofel> as you looked at that last
[12:46] <yofel> TBH, I'm wondering why it's broken though, as with your upstart changes this should work..
[13:12] <sgclark> santa_: ping
[13:13] <santa_> sgclark: pong
[13:14] <sgclark> what is the purpose of the bin packages?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:15] <sgclark> morning
[13:17] <santa_> sgclark: not shipping stuff in the library package which is not the library, this is a good practice in general because if the soname changes you won't have conflicting packages
[13:17] <santa_> supose you have libfoo5
[13:18] <santa_> this package ships /usr/bin/whatever
[13:19] <santa_> then if you have a soname bump you will have libfoo6
[13:20] <santa_> if libfoo6 ships again /usr/bin/whatever, you will have to declare a breaks/replaces against the old package
[13:20] <santa_> and that's undesirable
[13:21] <santa_> in fact debian's abi manager was created to avoid that kind of situations
[13:21] <sgclark> santa_: thanks for the explanation :) merging these now
[13:21] <sgclark> makes sense
[13:22] <santa_> sgclark: regarding binary compatibility soname bumps and everything let me find some links
[13:33] <santa_> sgclark: ok, found the stuff, here we go:
[13:33] <santa_> http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C++
[13:34] <santa_> ↑ this one is about binary compatibility in general
[13:34] <santa_> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[13:34] <santa_> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[13:35] <santa_> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2011-March/001574.html
[13:35] <santa_> ↑ these 3 are about packaging
[13:35] <sgclark> santa_: thanks!
[13:36] <santa_> when the kde frameworks abi becomes stable, ideally we should inspect the missing symbols from *.symbols files
[13:37] <santa_> most of them won't produce an abi break and would be fine
[13:37] <santa_> but when they do, they are various possible cases and strategies to follow
[13:38] <sgclark> ok
[13:39] <santa_> sgclark: so when you are done reading that, feel free to give me a ping and I will explain you how abi breaks are handled in debian's kde packaging
[13:39] <sgclark> santa_: ok great, thank you so much
[13:40] <santa_> I worked for debian for a few ¿years? until I got expelled for bad behaviour, so I have some practice dealing with abi breaks and other stuff
[13:42] <santa_> OT: " until I got expelled for bad behaviour" ->  even acdc made a song about the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhgt6g78GTw
[13:43] <santa_> they forgot to mention I signed the ubuntu code of conduct though
[13:54] <mparillo> Following the instructions here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Installing_Project_Neon_5 and logging into my Neon5 session, under System Settings, I see duplicate Oxygen cursor themes. I assume that only occurs for people with both Plasma 4 and Neon5 installed together? Not a bug?
[14:03] <santa_> mparillo: not sure, if I remember I will check in a "kde 5" only installation
[14:07] <mparillo> TY santa_
[14:10] <sgclark> santa_: you only have +Multi-Arch: foreign on some of these -data packages, is this on purpose?
[14:11] <santa_> sgclark: nope, I must have missed some, which ones?
[14:13] <santa_> ah, ok, fixing kparts...
[14:14] <sgclark> yeah that one sorry, also santa_: it need Architecture: all
[14:16] <santa_> sgclark: resubmitted, let me know if you find more issues
[14:19] <mparillo> Just in case it is a bug, I created https://bugs.launchpad.net/project-neon/+bug/1332825  P.S. Launchpad no longer routinely crashes Rekonq.
[14:28] <santa_> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/118865/
[15:00] <sgclark> santa_: sorry I am not clear, you do want depends -bin on the debug packages as well?
[15:01] <sgclark> err recommends
[15:01] <santa_> yes, that was the idea
[15:02] <santa_> but probably I forgot some
[15:03] <sgclark> ok ty
[15:03] <sgclark> I will look out for others now
[15:03] <santa_> ok
[15:38] <sgclark> santa_ now I see one with -data package also recommend -bin which I have not seen before, we need all to recommend  -bin?
[15:39] <santa_> sgclark: nope, -data shouldn't recommend -bin, which one has that?
[15:39] <sgclark> kconfig
[15:43] <santa_> sgclark: ah no, -data doesn't recommend it, but the other library
[15:43] <sgclark> santa_: plasma-workspace and kauth will need to be reviewed by Riddell or someone else with more experience. They have items I am not well versed in yet and can't review properly.
[15:43] <santa_> I think each library should recommend -bin
[15:43] <santa_> but not -data
[15:44] <santa_> sgclark: ok, thank you for all you merged so far :)
[15:44] <sgclark> santa_ oh my eyes playing tricks o me, my apologies.. merging
[15:49] <sgclark> santa_: kmediaplayer needs information if you could
[15:53] <santa_> done
[15:54] <sgclark> gosh it doesn't remove you merge request when merged? this is hard to keep track of what is done :(
[15:55] <santa_> nope. but should mark it as merged
[15:55] <santa_> in any case this link https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+activereviews shows only the active ones
[15:56] <sgclark> santa_: I have to step out for a bit, I think I got most of them though. I will check back later this afternoon (I am in the US)
[15:56] <santa_> i.e. not merged or superseedeed
[15:56] <santa_> sgclark: ok thank you. have a nice day
[15:56] <sgclark> oh nifty, thanks!
[15:56] <sgclark> np, you too
[17:03] <sgclark> santa_ kde-baseapps tar is up in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next/+packages, please note that this has not yet had full review by Riddell. But suggetstions welcome, ok really gone now.
[20:37] <Noskcaj_> yofel: Thanks for looking into kde upower. Now i only need someone who maintains sugar
[20:57] <yofel> meh, upower also broke the device notifier
[21:02] <Noskcaj> Is that with a rebuild of the kde parts or just updating the version of upower in the OS?
[21:08] <yofel> latter for now, AFAIK kde uses mostly the dbus interface, not the lib
[21:09] <yofel> although I'm rebuilding kde-workspace too
[21:09] <yofel> kdelibs is also on the list
[23:36] <valorie> I've gotten two comments on my G+ repost of apachelogger's post about our ISOs for testing, that download is extremely slow
[23:36] <valorie> perhaps we should have a torrent file available
[23:36] <valorie> ? I would seed a torrent, and I'm sure others would as well
[23:45] <apachelogger> valorie: yeah, we talked about it briefly the other day, problem is we'd need an initial seed for which we have no setup right now
[23:46] <apachelogger> valorie: you could poke kde-sysadmin perhaps they have an idea how to speed up things, currently it all runs over the same server, if we had a couple of mirrors it would probably work a lot better
[23:46] <valorie> ok
[23:50] <valorie> I'll file a ticket if I don't get a reply in channel
[23:58] <valorie> also, from #kde-multimedia:
[23:58] <valorie> [14:36] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/phonon-4-7-2-phonon-vlc-0-7-2-and-phonon-gstreamer-4-7-2/
[23:58] <valorie> [14:36] <apachelogger> longest title ever
[23:58] <valorie> [14:38] <valorie> apachelogger: will we see this fixes backported to kub. 14.04 ?
[23:59]  * valorie hopes so


[10:45] <rock_> Hi. I want to know  What "Curtin" script will do exactly ?  And Can I edit "curtin" Script?
[12:18] <rock_> roaksoax/kiko:  Can you please tell me about what "Curtin script " will do exactly?
[13:06] <roaksoax_> rock_: that cna be anything you want it to do
[13:06] <roaksoax_> maas uses curtin to the isntallation
[13:06] <roaksoax_> you can add extra scripts
[13:09] <rock_> roaksoax: Thank you. For enlisting, commissioning and deploying maas will use separate scripts right? I mean the scripts present under /etc/maas/preceeds
[13:10] <roaksoax_> rock_: different preseeds yes
[13:11] <rock_> roaksoax: So for example, If I write a script for deployment. So how I can I tell maas use my script instead of default one.
[13:12] <roaksoax_> rock_: you can't override MAAS' preseed completely
[13:12] <roaksoax_> rock_: you can do additional stuff, either before installation or after installation
[13:15] <rock_> roaksoax: So I understand like this. For Existing preseed scripts[whether commission script (or) deployment scripet(or) enlist script)  I can just  add stuff  right.
[13:17] <rock_> roaksoax: How MAAS will check the provided machines are ubuntu certified? MAAS will check or not?
[13:25] <rock_> roaksoax: So I have to give a demo to my collegues on MAAS. So I want to get clarification on my questions.
[13:31] <rock_> roaksoax/kiko: I am using dell servers.  In that i used SATA and SAS disks. So when MAAS discovered the dell nodes automatically, then I commissioned them . But MAAS not able to list nodes hard disks. But when I manually added nodes to MAAS and then did the commission then MAAS listing hard disks successfully. This was the problem with MAAS? I tried with both MAAS 1.9 and MAAS 2.0
[13:36] <rock_> roaksoax/kiko: In MAAS 1.9.4 cluster controller present in MAAS 2.0 rack controller replaced cluster controller. I saw fuctionality wise both are OK. MAAS UI is differed from MAAS 1.9 to MAAS 2.0. Apart from these MAAS rack controller has any specific feature?
[14:12] <roaksoax_> rock_: In teh seetings page, try using Trusty with hwe-x as kernel for commissioning to discover your disks
[14:24] <rock_> roaksoax: OK. thank you.  I will try that.
[15:02] <baldpope> anyone who has access to insights.ubuntu.com - verify database connection error?
[15:03] <roaksoax_> baldpope: some services are down atm
[15:03] <baldpope> ok, just making sure someone knew
[15:03] <baldpope> thanks roaksoax_
[15:03] <roaksoax_> baldpope: thank you!
[15:07] <baldpope> appears up roaksoax_
[15:21] <samba35> i have installed local harddisk to maas client ,but in maas server gui when i try to depoly it give me message /error
[15:21] <samba35>  The deploy action for 1 node failed with error: {"storage": ["Specify a storage device to be able to deploy this node.", "Mount the root '/' filesystem to be able to deploy this node."]}
[15:21] <samba35> machine /client status is ready
[15:23] <samba35> this is my 1st maas client /server setup ,have no idea how to start from ,it could be procedure mistake  ?
[15:23] <samba35> when i click on machine on storage do i suppose to see hardisk ? or i have to create harddisk ?
[15:24] <samba35> Storage >>
[15:24] <samba35>     No storage information. Commissioning this node will gather the storage information.
[15:24] <samba35>     Specify a storage device to be able to deploy this node.
[15:24] <samba35>     Mount the root '/' filesystem to be able to deploy this node.
[15:25] <samba35> machine has 2 gb ram
[19:00] <spaok> in MAAS / Juju 2.0, where does juju get DNS from? the machine I'm running juju commands on looks at the MAAS server for DNS, but the juju status shows the DNS as the IP's of the machines, MAAS 1.9.3 didn't have this issue and shows FQDN
[19:01] <spaok> the juju add-machine command used the MAAS names for the nodes with no issues
[20:42] <mup> Bug # changed: 1573528, 1623994, 1624522, 1625663, 1625668, 1625671, 1625674, 1625689, 1625812, 1626669, 1626722, 1626727, 1626748
[22:03] <mup> Bug #1623760 changed: [2.1] If Region and Rack controller are in the same machine, NTP service tracker is listed under rack <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623760>
[22:30] <mup> Bug #1627873 opened: [2.1 UI] Clicking on 'admin' in the first-user journey loops back to the first-user journey <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627873>
[22:33] <roaksoax> ~/win 2
[23:00] <mup> Bug #1627884 opened: regiond PID should appear in regiond.log <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627884>


[09:15] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks for following up with him on that (and sorry I didn't)
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