[00:44] <radar> hello
[00:45] <EagleScreen> hi radar225
[00:45] <radar225> I found out my VNC problem but still no fix to be found yet
[00:45] <radar225> does anyone know how to get your ScreenSaver to disable when VNC is being used?
[00:47] <EagleScreen> only while VNC is in use?
[00:47] <radar225> problem = on remote desktop the screensaver instantly activates unless I move the mouse constantly
[00:48] <radar225> also VNC over Iphone is near imposible like that
[00:48] <EagleScreen> radar225: what if you disable screensaver?
[00:48] <radar225> with screensaver off it works fine
[00:49] <radar225> ohhh at first i didnt have screensaver installed untill i just got hom
[00:49] <radar225> so it was black screen I will let it time in and then try it
[02:13] <Daskreech> Riddell: You are a bastard :)
[02:13] <Daskreech> Riddell: "I know this may be controvertial with some parts of the community but we can have unity in our new desktop" Nice wording :)
[03:27] <hellder> olá
[04:56] <davesnothere1> any advice on getting bluetooth working on my system?
[05:06] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: what version are you running?
[05:07] <davesnothere1> 10.10
[05:08] <davesnothere1> Daskreech: 10.10
[05:11] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: ok KDE 4.5.2 then?
[05:14] <davesnothere1> Daskreech: new to Linux. How do I find that?
[05:15] <davesnothere1> disregard.
[05:15] <davesnothere1> KDE 4.5.1
[05:15] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: help -> about KDE in any app
[05:15] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: Welcome to Linux and KDE by the way :)
[05:15] <davesnothere1> thanks
[05:15] <davesnothere1> It's been very fun so far.
[05:15] <davesnothere1> just trying to get this Dell laptop working.
[05:17] <Daskreech> Ok I think that you may need Bluedevil
[05:18] <davesnothere1> that, and libbluedevil1 are already installed.
[05:24] <Daskreech> hmm ok
[05:24] <Daskreech> Never tried BT so lets see if we can figure this out
[05:24] <davesnothere1> The OS isn't even recognizing that I have BT on this box.
[05:24] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: what happens when you type bluetooth:/ in krunner?
[05:24] <davesnothere1> I'll check....never used krunner
[05:24] <Daskreech> oh that might be a deeper problem
[05:25] <Daskreech> alt+f2
[05:25] <Daskreech> you should get a little dropdown box
[05:25] <Daskreech> type bluetooth:/ there
[05:26] <davesnothere1> I get BlueDevil, then Adapters, then Devices, then File Transfer, but if I run anything I see no configurable or available adapters.
[05:29] <davesnothere1> and if I finish typing what you said.....Activity
[05:29] <Daskreech> ok
[05:29] <Daskreech> hmm
[05:29] <Daskreech> activity....
[05:29] <Daskreech> ok
[05:29] <Daskreech> What's under devices ?
[05:30] <davesnothere1> No adapters found
[05:34] <Erisianmonk23> hello
[05:36] <Erisianmonk23> why is it that everyone just fucking lurks in irc?
[05:38] <IdleOne> !language | Erisianmonk23
[05:38] <Erisianmonk23> sorry
[05:38] <Erisianmonk23> just expect people to be chatting in a chat room I guess
[05:39] <Daskreech> davesnothere1: Might need drivers then
[05:39] <Erisianmonk23> anywho I am having difficuly connecting my lucid box to the interwebs
[05:39] <Daskreech> Erisianmonk23: how does it connect?
[05:39] <Erisianmonk23> wireless
[05:40] <Erisianmonk23> It was easy before, just autodetected after I set the wep and off to the races
[05:40] <davesnothere1> what kind of wireless adapter Erisianmonk23?
[05:40] <Erisianmonk23> card
[05:40] <Erisianmonk23> I couldn'
[05:40] <Erisianmonk23> t
[05:41] <Erisianmonk23> tell you the make and model off the top of my head
[05:42] <Erisianmonk23> and I'm pretty new to linux so that doesn't help matters
[05:45] <davesnothere1> are you on the linux box now?
[05:45] <Erisianmonk23> no
[05:45] <davesnothere1> do you have access to it now?
[05:45] <Erisianmonk23> sitting right next to me
[05:46] <davesnothere1> go into Terminal and type lspci
[05:46] <davesnothere1> what kind of network controller do you have?
[05:48] <Erisianmonk23> RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
[05:51] <davesnothere1> I'm new to linux but if you had the same network card as I do I might have been able to help
[05:52] <Erisianmonk23> what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[05:59] <Erisianmonk23> I am using Kubuntu 10.04 and the GUI is all different from the ref material
[06:09] <Erisianmonk23> hello hello
[06:09] <Erisianmonk23> echo echo
[06:10] <noaXess> Erisianmonk23: good morning, what is really your probem?
[06:11] <noaXess> hey Daskreech still awake or get up early?
[08:00] <Sonic132> Anyone online that can help me?
[08:03] <Sonic132> Trying to get the Cricket USB modem (Cal-comp a600) to work with Kubuntu 10.04. But the guide I'm following isn't quite getting a connection to the internet. It get's it to show the signal bars though. Which is more than I got before.
[08:03] <Sonic132> Anyone help?
[08:05] <Sonic132> Anyone know how to install a Cricket A600 modem?
[09:44] <Kalidarn> hmm my cpu usage seems to be spiking abnormally but it doesn't show so in the processes table
[09:44] <Kalidarn> i think it's Xorg
[09:45] <Kalidarn> that seems to be taxing the CPU every so often but only shows like 5-10%
[09:45] <Kalidarn> the CPU table in System Load is spiking some cores to 100% sometimes
[09:45] <Kalidarn> my machine completely bogs down, im not sure if it's compositing, but i would have thought my machine was powerful enough, it's a i7 930 with 6GB of ram and a GeForce 470 GTX
[09:46] <Kalidarn> running off a OCZ Vertex 2 SSD
[09:47] <moetunes> Kalidarn:  tried with different vid card drivers?
[09:47] <Kalidarn> i'm using the proprietary ones
[09:47] <Kalidarn> maybe that' sthe issue.
[09:47] <moetunes> could be...
[09:48] <Kalidarn> ill try suspending desktop effects
[09:48] <Kalidarn> and see if it levels out
[09:49] <Kalidarn> is it normal for Xorg to say tax CPU 3% then 0
[09:49] <Kalidarn> then say 5% then 0
[09:49] <Kalidarn> seems to be just pulsing the CPU
[09:49] <Kalidarn> on and off
[09:49] <u19809> hi all, since my upgrade to 10.10 i have serious window focus problems.  often all of a sudden I cannot close windows anymore.  It looks as if the events are not sent to the window in focus.  Keyboard access is the only thing left (besides a restart of the desktop)
[09:49] <u19809> Any ideas ?
[09:53] <zghirc> where can i find the Kubuntu widgets?The link in the pennal didn't work.
[09:57] <Kalidarn> http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8837/cpuusage.png to me CPU usage like that does not seem normal
[09:58] <Kalidarn> http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5372/processtable.png yet the processes table doesn't really reveal any culprits
[09:59] <Kalidarn> http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4250/cpuusage2.png it did calm down though when i logged out and logged back in
[10:17] <nemptor> hello is this the chat room for ubuntu users?
[10:18] <Kalidarn> its the #kubuntu channel
[10:18] <Tm_T> #ubuntu for support questions and #ubuntu-offtopic for chatter
[10:18] <Tm_T> this, #kubuntu channel, is for kubuntu support generally (:
[10:19] <nemptor> ok this is the channel that is stated in the ubuntu site
[10:19] <nemptor> anyway can i ask questions here regarding my problem with my update manager?
[10:23] <Kalidarn> yeah my load average is all over the place
[10:23] <Kalidarn> for some strange reason
[10:55] <hellnest> any bug or stability issued on kubuntu 10.10?
[10:56] <hellnest> *issue i mean
[10:58] <Tm_T> hellnest: not that I know
[11:00] <elimental> Only problem I encountered is pulse audio with 5.1 sound
[11:00] <elimental> Only mutes front speakers when head phone pluged in... rest was smooth sailing
[11:14] <sa_> hello
[11:14] <hellnest> Hello
[11:16] <sa_> how can i switch from openoffice to office in kde? not remember how it called
[11:17] <hellnest> sa_: It's called Koffice. Just go to sypnatics package manager ( if it's installed ) and remove your open office and then install Koffice
[11:18] <sa_> thanks i'll try it now
[11:19] <hellnest> sa_: ok will waiting your report soon ^^
[11:19] <elimental> Oh
[11:20] <elimental> was thinking libreoffice....
[11:20] <elimental> was about to post http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta2/deb/ link :)
[11:21] <hellnest> lol.... :P he said regarding Office from KDE... Libre is open office fork... also there's another alternate from IBM " Symphony"
[11:21] <elimental> I hear a rumor *unutu will go libreoffice in 11.04
[11:22] <elimental> Hope its true
[11:24] <hellnest> yeah they will move to libreoffice for the next release :)
[11:24]  * hellnest is away: Doin some stuff
[11:41] <andeeeuk> hey
[11:41] <andeeeuk> im having a few problems with kde
[11:42] <andeeeuk> it seems as though kde crashed and restarted and now i am not able to enable desktop effects
[11:42] <andeeeuk> has anyone else had this problem?
[11:42] <elimental> nope..fx card?
[11:42] <andeeeuk> its an ati card
[11:43] <andeeeuk> i dont think it is an issue with the card itself though
[11:43] <elimental> noted
[11:44] <andeeeuk> cause games play ok
[11:44] <andeeeuk> but my windows manager really skrewed up
[11:44] <andeeeuk> really now good
[11:45] <elimental> tried moving .kde and relog to see if it works?
[11:45] <andeeeuk> ?
[11:46] <andeeeuk> ehats that?
[11:46] <andeeeuk> i installed it through my ubuntu system
[11:46] <andeeeuk> so that i could test it out and ubuntu is working perfectly as well
[11:47] <andeeeuk> just wanted the choice between multiple destops and was told the new kde was amazing
[11:47] <elimental> aaah and the plot thikens
[11:47] <andeeeuk> lol
[11:47] <elimental> what exactly did you install?
[11:48] <andeeeuk> well i installed the base kde packages then the kubuntu packages
[11:48] <elimental> Hope you installed Kubuntu plasma desktop system
[11:48] <elimental> In software manager in Ubuntu
[11:48] <andeeeuk> yeah i have that installed
[11:49] <elimental> you should have selected Kubuntu-desktop
[11:49] <andeeeuk> yeah
[11:49] <elimental> K
[11:49] <andeeeuk> well i installed through synaptic
[11:49] <elimental> should have been the same
[11:49] <andeeeuk> yeah
[11:51] <elimental> Only thing I can think to test is to move /home/$username$/.kde folder to say kdeback and try relogging
[11:51] <andeeeuk> im sure i have all the correct depencancies as i just let it get on with installing the whole of a standard kde system
[11:51] <andeeeuk> just renaming that folder?
[11:52] <elimental> yep
[11:52] <elimental> so KDE will create a new one
[11:52] <elimental> Might be that something went loopy
[11:53] <andeeeuk> im gussing i will just need to reboot after that then?
[11:53] <elimental> just log out and back in
[11:53] <andeeeuk> ok
[11:53] <andeeeuk> thanks
[11:53] <andeeeuk> ill give it a shot
[12:17] <thedog> hi all, someone may tell me why with a vodafone key I can connect my ubuntu 10.10 in a moment and with kubuntu 10.10 it won't work ???
[12:19] <thedog> I've read about a software of betavine to install, but if i've not another connection to download that software I can use the only as dart
[13:09] <Hedron> hi everybody, I have a issue with kubunut 10.10 and intel video whandering if anybody can help
[13:10] <Hedron> there is massive screen coruption when using any application
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:46] <EvilRoey> hi
[14:47] <EvilRoey> how do I find a window's process ID?  I have a blank rectangle in the middle of my screen.  I did 'xwininfo' to try and find information about it and found out it's Chromium, but xwininfo does not give me its pid..
[14:50] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, try applications/system monitor , you can stop or kill the process there too
[14:56] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  see I don't know which chromium process it is, and I only have one multi-tabbed window open.
[14:56] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  thanks though
[14:56] <EvilRoey> this is so stupid... xwininfo needs to show pid too
[15:02] <moetunes> EvilRoey:  try   pidof Chromium   the first opened will have the lowest number
[15:02] <EvilRoey> ah cool thanks
[15:03] <EvilRoey> moetunes:  In the end, I closed it after evaluating all the tabs
[15:03] <moetunes> heh :]
[15:03] <EvilRoey> moetunes:  can pidof return multiple values for multiple processes sharing the same name?
[15:04] <moetunes> it should
[15:04] <EvilRoey> moetunes:  also, is the 'moe' in your nickname from japanese animation
[15:04] <moetunes> EvilRoey:  no more like mo' tunes
[15:04] <EvilRoey> ohhhh got it
[15:04] <EvilRoey> cool
[15:07] <node808> thats disappointing..I thought it was like moet...like the champagne and unes....like unez
[15:08]  * node808 puts on his ghetto thinking cap
[15:08] <node808> oh now it makes sense
[16:19] <juseris> hello everyone
[16:52] <gaddd> hi everyone
[16:53] <gaddd> i want to install kubuntu via the sudo get-apt command in ubuntu 10.10
[16:53] <gaddd> however it says package not found
[16:53] <gaddd> help
[16:53] <gaddd> thanks :)
[16:53] <gvandeweyer> hi, I'm looking for a way to run a X11 program (vmplayer in this case) on a remote machine, without forwarding the X11 part.  sort of as a service for a program that can not be started headless. and it should continue after connection loss of ssh
[16:54] <gvandeweyer> is this possible?  unset DISPLAY will not let the program start afterwards
[16:54] <EagleScreen_> gaddd: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[16:55] <gaddd> thanks a lot EagleScreen_ :)
[16:58] <gvandeweyer> nobody has any suggestions? :-)
[17:08] <dhalsimm> hi, i use twitter with the microblogging plasma widget, but when i clicked on a link, it opens with scribes text editor? ican't find configuration about it
[17:50] <sa_> it works thanks to all
[17:55] <kedare> Hi all
[17:56] <kedare> I have a little problem with Kubuntu, the buttons that control backlights don't works (theys works fine under Ubuntu/Gnome)
[17:56] <kedare> When I use them, the backlight control appear on the screen, but I can't change it
[18:03] <urgen> I should turn off joins and parts for this window
[18:03] <urgen> otherwise I never see the topic
[18:04] <urgen> oh no.. last time I tried this on quassel I think it bogged the system down too much
[18:06] <urgen> wow, most of them were disconnects
[18:06] <urgen> the internet still has a long way to go
[18:42] <kedare> Petite question, vous avez le temps avant décharge sur l'applet de batterie vous ?
[18:43] <Tm_T> !fr | kedare
[18:43] <kedare> ubottu: oups sorry
[18:44] <kedare> Tm_T: sorry, bad tab ;)
[18:55] <spirov92> hi, I just installed kubuntu on a HP 4520s, and I'm having trouble with the touchpad. It is supposed to support multitouch, but 2/3-finger taps and 2-finger scroll don't work
[18:55] <spirov92> I've turned them on in system settings, of course
[18:56] <spirov92> can anyone help?
[18:57] <urgen> have you done your homework?
[18:57] <urgen> is there anyone that has developed multitouch in linux?
[18:57] <urgen> sounds kinda newwave
[18:58] <urgen> most proprietary devices have to be reverse engineered to get them to work in linux
[18:58] <spirov92> urgen: two-finger scroll worked on a much older laptop, which didn't even claim to have multitouch
[18:58] <urgen> hmn
[18:59] <spirov92> what's the difference between kde-config-touchpad(which is installed by default) and kde-config-synaptiks? it seems they can't be installed at the same time
[18:59] <spirov92> meaning when I try to install one, the other is marked for deletion
[19:04] <user5v> hello, how to draw a freehand line in kword on kubuntu 10.10 amd64? If I press a straight line will shown (and if If I release the stylus (a.e. mouse, tablet) there is nothing - I think because the color settings)
[19:04] <user5v> but even with the right color settings I have to enter some points with the mouse/stylus then I see something, but I want draw freehand while pressing mouse/stylus
[19:05] <user5v> what went wrong? thanks
[19:05] <urgen> user download openoffice
[19:06] <urgen> spirov92, is the touchpad on the hp4520 made by synaptics?
[19:07] <spirov92> wait, I'll check
[19:07] <spirov92> urgen: seems so.
[19:09] <urgen> http://www.linlap.com/wiki/hp+probook+4520s
[19:11] <urgen> hmn does your model have ATI graphics?
[19:12] <spirov92> urgen: can't find anything about the touchpad
[19:12] <urgen> ya
[19:12] <spirov92> and yeah, it has a "ati radeon" sticker
[19:12] <urgen> so branch to other models of laptops that may have the same hardware
[19:15]  * KillJoy is away: Per ora assente
[19:16] <Tm_T> !away > KillJoy
[19:19] <urgen> so.. it's looking like you would want to find a way to get in touch with developers in charge of that section of kubuntu and see if they haven't already scheduled attention on your concern. If not submit a request
[19:19] <urgen> if they have it may show up in a month or three or so
[19:19] <spirov92> hmm, switched to the synaptiks package, it says my touchpad can only detect one finger...
[19:35]  * KillJoy is back.
[20:49] <ubuntu_> test
[20:54] <BluesKaj> ok, now we're rockin' . I swapped the graphics cards  on the linux machines .Altho the 8400gs has a lower fps on the 42" tv it's still enough , 100fps at full res full scrn vs 300 fps with the 7600gt on the 22" monitor full res full scrn using glxgears.
[21:04] <BluesKaj> anyway, naptime
[21:12] <aslaen> anyone seen hawkwind lately?
[21:32] <sresu> Themes downloaded for Login screen are not reflecting in the Themes slection tab. What's wrong?
[21:32] <sresu> System Settings Version 1.0 Using KDE Development Platform 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1)
[21:49] <westmi> sup channel I cant find power settings for monitor
[21:50] <westmi> so insted of screensaver it powers off monitor
[21:59] <tsimpson> westmi: system settings -> power management
[22:02] <mahasamoot> sorry to be a bother, I've googled and come up empty handed
[22:03] <mahasamoot> I've just installed 10.10, and I'm looking for the option that lets you define accations for the corners of the screen
[22:04] <mahasamoot> id est, put your mouse pointer in one corner, and see all open windows, put it in another and get the desktop cube ....
[22:07] <lunitik> Hello, it says on Riddell's blog that Kubuntu is switching to Unity? Is this a joke or something?
[22:08] <Kalidarn> unity?
[22:08] <lunitik> Kalidarn: the new Ubuntu interface
[22:08] <apparle> hi
[22:09] <Kalidarn> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Unity hmm
[22:09] <Kalidarn> isnt that for netbooks
[22:09] <lunitik> Kalidarn: the Kubuntu wiki seems to mirror the Ubuntu wiki with the Kubuntu theme...
[22:09] <Kalidarn> oh lol.
[22:09] <lunitik> Kalidarn: no, they are changing the desktop to it also... where have you been?  :P
[22:09] <Kalidarn> mmmmm
[22:09] <mahasamoot> never mind, I just found it, it's under window behavoir
[22:10] <Kalidarn> lunitik: please link i want to read about this
[22:10] <lunitik> Riddell: you about?
[22:10] <apparle> kubuntu is changing to unity...... nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[22:11] <lunitik> Kalidarn: http://voices.canonical.com/user/53/
[22:11] <lunitik> Apparently Kubuntu is going to be Unity+Plasma... although I don't understand how that will work at all
[22:12] <Anj> When VLC can't play a DVD that Kaffeine can play, is there anything I can do? Likewise for an m4v file that only VLC can play...
[22:12] <lunitik> Unity basically only offers what Plasma does, so idgi
[22:12] <Kalidarn> lunitik: are you sure for normal desktop they're going to do that
[22:12] <lunitik> Kalidarn: yes, its all over every tech site related to Linux atm
[22:13] <apparle> damn it. I thought kubuntu was all about KDE as it is
[22:13] <Kalidarn> i kinda like the menustrip actually being the window border
[22:13] <Kalidarn> that's a cool idea
[22:13] <lunitik> Anj: you have libdvdcss installed from the Ubuntu Multimedia repo?
[22:13] <Anj> yes
[22:14] <lunitik> Anj: then they should both work fine
[22:14] <Kalidarn> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/5105537204_ee7e0c150a_b.jpg if that image is anything to go by
[22:14] <apparle> If kubuntu and ubuntu are alike, then what's the point? in keeping two distros?
[22:14] <Anj> lunitik, I have w32codecs, libdvdcss and everything. it's just that I need both kaffeine and VLC because neither one plays everything. :/
[22:14] <lunitik> apparle: perhaps that's the point... I mean, Zimmerman - head of tech for Canonical - just came out saying how he loves Qt... maybe they're coming together?
[22:15] <Kalidarn> oh that would be nice if they did
[22:15] <apparle> maybe maybe not
[22:15] <Kalidarn> i love Qt too :P
[22:15] <apparle> I always loved the fact that kubuntu was not for really dumb people.
[22:15] <edulix> can I download a kubuntu iso with all current updates inside?
[22:15] <Riddell> lunitik: not really
[22:16] <Kalidarn> (07:45:38) apparle: I always loved the fact that kubuntu was not for really dumb people.
[22:16] <Kalidarn> if by that you mean KDE has had usability issues in the past
[22:16] <Kalidarn> i hardly doubt that is the same thing
[22:16] <apparle> Kalidarn: no
[22:16] <lunitik> Riddell: Care to explain how Kubuntu will be using Unity? I don't really understand and can find nothing on the subject via the wiki or internet
[22:16] <Kalidarn> gnome changes were much more conservative
[22:17] <Kalidarn> i don't consider myself a dumb person but I stopped using Kubuntu around 6.04
[22:17]  * lunitik loves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4vv7yFaqxw which is entirely Qt (heavily utilizing QML)
[22:17] <apparle> I meant that, kubuntu and KDE are for power users. There you have lots and lots of options and not just some default options and nothing else
[22:17] <Kalidarn> doesn't maemo use Qt heaps?
[22:18] <Kalidarn> i do like plasma folderview
[22:18] <lunitik> Kalidarn: Maemo doesn't exist anymore... Maemo and Moblin merged into MeeGo, which that video shows off
[22:18] <apparle> guys don't drift, Qt is awesome but what is happening to kubuntu
[22:18] <Kalidarn> ah
[22:18] <Kalidarn> meego looks like macosx lion
[22:18] <lunitik> apparle: if Riddell is too busy to elaborate, we can't really continue that discussion
[22:19] <lunitik> Kalidarn: not really, but I can see why you might say that
[22:19] <apparle> if kubuntu and ubuntu have same desktop interfaces then lets just remove the K
[22:19] <apparle> :(
[22:19] <apparle> :'(
[22:19] <Kalidarn> i doubt that it would be like that at all
[22:19] <apparle> lets hope
[22:20] <lunitik> apparle: I'm sure it'll still utilize KDE apps
[22:20] <Kalidarn> yeah
[22:20] <apparle> I suppose maybe in 2-3 years ubuntu will shift to gnome
[22:20] <apparle> it should rather
[22:20] <Kalidarn> lol what are you going on about
[22:20] <Riddell> lunitik: it won't, we use KDE
[22:20] <Kalidarn> ubuntu is already gnome
[22:20] <lunitik> apparle: Ubuntu is shifting away from Gnome it seems
[22:21] <apparle> sorry
[22:21] <apparle> I wanted to say kde
[22:21] <apparle> :P
[22:21] <Kalidarn> kde has become more stable and is really set up nicely ;)
[22:21] <Kalidarn> more stability and it will be awesome
[22:21] <lunitik> Riddell: Then how come your blog says you're dropping KDE and using Unity?
[22:21] <Kalidarn> because to be honest im not impressed by gnome 3
[22:21] <Kalidarn> i think it includes a bunch of wank
[22:22] <lunitik> Riddell: just a pun based on how Plasma is actually what people believe KDE is?
[22:22] <apparle> I was happy that by KDE 4.5 kubuntu will be awesomely stable, but now comes unity
[22:22] <Kalidarn> i like kickoff way more than i like their menu
[22:22] <Riddell> lunitik: it says the branding changed from KDE Desktop to Plasma Workspace (made by KDE)
[22:23] <Kalidarn> actually ive wondered why the kickoff menu still has a KDE icon and not a kubuntu one actually
[22:23] <apparle> even if unity is superawesome then also it will not be stable, so again we have to suffer instability like in intrepid
[22:23] <lunitik> Riddell: ahh, you scared me when I first read your blog... lol
[22:23] <apparle> Kalidarn: I read an article somwhere on it
[22:23] <Kalidarn> they changed the gnome foot to an ubunu logo
[22:24] <Kalidarn> that said i like the K gear
[22:24] <Kalidarn> it is cool
[22:24] <Kalidarn> it would make a good tatoo
[22:24] <Kalidarn> *tattoo
[22:25] <Kalidarn> now i should figure out why kdelibs won't compile on my mac :P
[22:31] <apparle> Riddell: I seriously suggest you change the wordings in your blog..... you scared me......
[22:32] <Riddell> apparle: well it's ment to do that on first reading but become clear on second reading, maybe not everyone does that second reading
[22:32] <apparle> Riddell: :)
[22:41] <teadict> can I ecryptf-umount my home partition from live kubuntu?
[22:42]  * Torch is reminded of "no more desktop icons"
[23:00] <lieuwe> hey, to write scripts for konversation i need to use dcop, but the python-dcop package doesnt seem to exist, any sugestions?
[23:01] <Torch> lieuwe: kde4?
[23:02] <lieuwe> Torch: eh, dunno :P, probably
[23:03] <lieuwe> Torch: no idea how to interface with konversation without dcop...
[23:03] <Kalidarn> i think your supposed to use dbus now
[23:03] <Torch> lieuwe: kde4 does not use dcop anymore
[23:03] <Torch> lieuwe: use dbus.
[23:03] <lieuwe> Torch: ooohkey
[23:03] <Torch> lieuwe: google helps ;-)
[23:03] <lieuwe> ...
[23:03] <Torch> lieuwe: qdbus shows you what an app can do.
[23:04] <Kalidarn> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-faq.html#dcop
[23:06] <lieuwe> Torch: next problem, wtf is the well known name for konversation? cant find it on google
[23:10] <Torch> lieuwe: konversation is konversation.
[23:10] <lieuwe> okay
[23:10] <lieuwe> :-3
[23:10] <Torch> lieuwe: i don't see why you're asking that. use qdbus to query konversation what it offers via dbus
[23:10] <Torch> lieuwe: there's also #konversation
[23:12] <lieuwe> Torch: #konversation is pretty much dead, qdbus gives me an error
[23:12] <Torch> lieuwe: #konversation definitely is not dead
[23:12] <Torch> lieuwe: it might be quiet right now. show some patience.
[23:12] <Torch> lieuwe: what's the error you're getting?
[23:13] <lieuwe> Torch: http://pastebin.com/rSj0REQh
[23:14] <apparle> how to update from lucid to maverick from command line?
[23:14] <Torch> lieuwe: this is from just plain calling qdbus on a shell prompt without args?
[23:14] <lieuwe> no, i was being silly, got it :-3
[23:15] <apparle> !update
[23:16] <apparle> !upgrade
[23:17] <apparle> Isn't there any command line way to do upgrade?
[23:17] <Torch> apparle: there is. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:18] <apparle> Torch: that's it? is that what an update does? just the list and then pkg update?
[23:18] <Torch> apparle: yes.
[23:18] <Torch> apparle: this is debian ;-)
[23:19] <apparle> that is simple
[23:19] <apparle> I mean if packages install well :P
[23:19] <bazhang> Torch, apparle thats not the recommended nor supported method
[23:19] <apparle> bazhang: what is recommended then?
[23:19] <bazhang> apparle, you running a server?
[23:19] <apparle> no
[23:20] <apparle> bazhang: but I hate kpackagekit
[23:20] <bazhang> apparle, read the upgrade link yet?
[23:20] <apparle> bazhang: ya
[23:20] <Torch> bazhang: what's wrong with itß
[23:20] <Torch> bazhang: what's wrong with it?
[23:20] <FloodBotK2> Torch: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:20] <apparle> it shows gui only method?
[23:20] <bazhang> Torch, its not supported nor recommended, so please dont recommend it here, thanks.
[23:21] <Torch> bazhang: again, what is wrong with it?
[23:21] <Torch> bazhang: do you understand what it does?
[23:21] <bazhang> Torch, of course. lets move on please
[23:21] <apparle> bazhang any ideas for me
[23:21] <Torch> apparle: just use apt-get and be done with it.
[23:22] <apparle> Torch: ohhh come on.. don't be stubborn, let me see the recommended method
[23:22] <Torch> apparle: i have no idea what (k)ubuntu recommend
[23:22] <Torch> apparle: it's how debian-based distributions are being updated.
[23:22] <apparle> bazhang: ?
[23:23] <viliny_> Hello!
[23:24] <viliny_> i have some questions - be it kde or gnome - is there any way to reduce the size of the header of windowses - the part that shows window name and buttons? running on a netbook here and i could use the screen space
[23:24] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20Kubuntu%20Desktops%20%28Recommended%29  apparle
[23:25] <viliny_> also, is there a way to pretend use a largers resolution running above what the netbook supports natively with some screen compression?
[23:26] <apparle> bazhang: it sends me here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu which doesn't suggest any non gui method
[23:27] <apparle> viliny_: are you aware of the netbook edition?
[23:27] <viliny_> yes i am
[23:27] <viliny_> in fact i have that installed
[23:27] <viliny_> but this is a question that i also had from using my desktops and laptop - unnecessarily large borders
[23:27] <apparle> :P I don't know anything else..... never used a netbook myself
[23:28] <apparle> viliny_: I also have noticed that in case of KDE,
[23:28] <apparle> viliny_: but it is the way it looks so, I don't think it can be changed
[23:29] <viliny_> aww
[23:30] <apparle> viliny_: but don't take my word because I have not made it :P Maybe you can find a theme with slimer border etc
[23:38] <apparle> viliny_: have you tried meego
[23:38] <apparle> viliny_: not exactly ready for primetime but seems good from screen shots
[23:39] <viliny_> my phone has maemo :)


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[00:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gnome-control-center-signon [sync] (xenial-proposed) [0.1.9+16.04.20161212-0ubuntu1]
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[14:30] <nacc> hrm, odd situation in #ubuntu -- someone upgraded to 17.04, which no longer ships software-center, but in 16.10, gnome-software opens software-center. On upgrade it still does. Shouldn't we do something so that software-center gets autoremoved?
[14:33] <nacc> hrm, nevermind
[14:33] <nacc> misunderstanding on my part
[17:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: uvtool (trusty-proposed/universe) [0~bzr92-0ubuntu1 => 0~bzr92-0ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[17:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted uvtool [source] (trusty-proposed) [0~bzr92-0ubuntu1.1]
[19:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-lts-trusty [amd64] (precise-proposed) [3.13.0-117.164~precise1]
[19:45] <wxl> um
[19:45] <wxl> lubuntu alternates for 17.04 appear to go nowhere https://d18fwbn370j49e.cloudfront.net/lubuntu-17.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[19:47] <Bashing-om> ^ confirmed " This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below." .
[20:40] <bdmurray> wxl: Somebody is working on it.
[20:53] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: People have been piggybacking on bug 1647031 with relevant updates.
[22:50] <slangasek> tsimonq2: ITYM irrelevant updates, since that bug is fixed
[22:51] <tsimonq2> slangasek: :P
[22:51] <slangasek> tsimonq2: people really need to open fresh bug reports instead of dogpiling on already-fixed bugs with vaguely related symptoms
[22:52] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Updates relevant to me, not relevant to the bug report :P


[20:13] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[20:13] <SlimeyPete> ubuntuLive: it's academic anyway - as I say, the problem was with the flash player. None of the OSes were actually compromised, and the hacker who did it says that the same vulnerability exists in the Linux flash player
[20:14] <SlimeyPete> don't get me wrong,Linux in general is more secure
[20:14] <coreymon77> and so is mac os
[20:14] <coreymon77> but be honest
[20:14] <SlimeyPete> but I think the security benefits are being overhyped somewhat
[20:14] <coreymon77> if someone really wanted to hack your computer, it wouldnt matter what you were using
[20:15] <ubuntuLive> True enough
[20:15] <gonel> quiero instalar el flash player pero nose como hacerlo  quien me ayuda
[20:15] <dwidmann> If a (good) hacker has physical access to your computer while it's on you're completey screwed
[20:16] <ubuntuLive> No offence, but that's a given. Heck, password it as much as you want.. if I get near a PC with a password and my CDs near... I can crack the password thanks to one of my tools, or at least part of it.
[20:17] <gonel> como se instala el flash player para ver los videos de youtube???
[20:17] <ubuntuLive> All thanks to SlackLinux LiveCDs
[20:17] <coreymon77> !es | gonel
[20:17] <ubotu> gonel: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:18] <gonel> thanx
[20:18] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: that deends on how much time you have, strong passwords can take a long time to crack - even encryption can be compromised easily if the computer is still running and the keys are cached in memory ...
[20:18]  * dwidmann decides that any more conversation should probably go into #kubuntu-offtopic though
[20:18] <ubuntuLive> True enough
[20:19] <dwidmann> ubuntuLive: if it's non-encrypted you don't even need a password though .... just a live cd
[20:20] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: You need an Enter key you mean ;)
[20:20] <dwidmann> hm?
[20:20] <ubuntuLive> Just hit enter and you get in
[20:21] <dwidmann> practically (you'd still need the livecd), but any moron with half a brain could do it
[20:21] <ubuntuLive> Well thanks for the help guys, I have to get off for now. Might pop back later once the beta becomes... nonbeta. But this has been a learning experince. Ciao
[20:21] <ubuntuLive> dwidmann: True true
[20:21] <ubuntuLive> Anyway, bye for now
[20:24] <falieson> what is the apt repository line for kubuntu that I can add some kubuntu packages to my ubuntu gutsy install?
[20:25] <Coggz>  artscat
[20:25] <Coggz> unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/ksocket-luke/lukes-tablet-14c6-21dae58d)
[20:25] <Coggz> Can't connect to sound server
[20:25] <Coggz> what does that mean?
[20:27] <snikker> i've got a problem with KsCd. it tell me thst i've no permission to read cd... (same thing with sudo)
[20:28] <falieson> kubuntu apt repository is ?
[20:28] <flipstar> falieson: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources and maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[20:28] <flipstar> snikker: can you access that cd without kscd ?
[20:28] <falieson> flipstar: thanks
[20:29] <falieson> flipstar: nope, that doesn't help - i need the deb http://archive.server.com/blah/ gutsy free non-free line
[20:30] <flipstar> its in the second link
[20:30] <falieson> kubuntu does have a seperate repository than ubuntu right?
[20:30] <SlimeyPete> nope
[20:30] <coreymon77> falieson: not really
[20:30] <coreymon77> falieson: no
[20:31] <falieson> oh.. I thought kubuntu had ktorrent 3.0
[20:31] <SlimeyPete> same repositories, different default package
[20:31] <flipstar> falieson: ktorrent 3.0 is ktorrent-kde4
[20:31] <falieson> well that'd be why I didn't find teh apt repository I was looking for :-)
[20:31] <falieson> flipstar: yeah, I know - does that mean i can't get it through synaptic or ?
[20:31] <SlimeyPete> heh
[20:31] <coreymon77> that would be it :P
[20:31] <coreymon77> falieson: yes you can, you just have to add the repo
[20:31] <flipstar> falieson: sure you can..after adding kde4 sources
[20:32] <falieson> right, which synaptic should get as dependencies anyways
[20:32] <falieson> i did a search for ktorrent-kde4 before jumping in this channel and didn't get any hits
[20:32] <falieson> (in synaptic)
[20:33] <flipstar> falieson: see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php
[20:33] <coreymon77> you have to add the repositories for kde4 first
[20:34] <falieson> ah
[20:35] <martijn81> ktorrent 3.0.1 is a little unstable in some eareas though
[20:35] <martijn81> you can better compile the lastest svn
[20:36] <falieson> thanks for the warning
[20:37] <falieson> ktorrent 2.x is decent, but I hate that you can't select which files to download or see a file by file progress - 3.x is worth the risk :-)
[20:37] <martijn81> falieson: you actually can select which files to download in the 2.2.5 version
[20:38] <falieson> yes, but you can't see their progress
[20:38] <falieson> individuallyu
[20:38] <martijn81> a file by process too
[20:38] <martijn81> you only need to load the info widget
[20:38] <falieson> oh - cool
[20:39] <falieson> well, I guess if ktorrent 3.x kills a lot of things I'll go the 2.2.5 route
[20:39] <martijn81> well, current svn is quite stable actually, and has even webseeding
[20:40] <falieson> i originally was just looking for a ktorrent add-in I figured there were others out there with the demand! but then I saw 3.x was out and figured I'd go ahead and try it - worse thing that happens is I have to uninstall some stuff and synaptic so far my system has been pretty well maintained
[20:40] <falieson> I'll be sure to check it out as an alternative
[20:40] <falieson> hmm... will ktorrent-kde4 take over all my current downloads I have with ktorrent automagically? prolly not - heh
[20:41] <dwidmann> falieson: kde4 apps use a seperate conf directory (
[20:41] <dwidmann> ~/.kder) (grr, stupid enter key)
[20:41] <falieson> heh
[20:41] <martijn81> nope, as it will will use another temporarly directory
[20:42] <dwidmann> kde4
[20:42] <martijn81> yup
[20:42] <martijn81> ~/.kde vs. ~/.kde4
[20:42] <falieson> well, the beauty of linux is there is always a way to fix it :-)
[20:42] <falieson> and 95% of the time - someone has done it before you, and written a howto
[20:43] <dwidmann> I wouldn't say 95% .... but yeah, it has all been done before for sure
[20:44] <falieson> well yeah, 95% of the time for the first half, I was going to say 30% of the time for the howto but figured it was too BS to even utter
[20:45] <falieson> I mention it because I've been downloading a torrent file "Family Guy Seasons 1-5" for about two weeks now
[20:45] <falieson> I'd like to know which eps are done!
[20:45] <dwidmann> falieson: possibly none .... bittorrent doesn't exactly go in order, at all.
[20:45] <flipstar> falieson: just click on 'files' in ktorrent btw i hope this download is legal..
[20:46] <flipstar> it provides a status in percent of each file
[20:47] <flipstar> you also can deal with priority's there
[20:47] <flipstar> e.g prefer the first file
[20:50] <snikker> flipstar: yes i can
[20:50] <snikker> flipstar: yes i can acces to cd without kscd
[20:51] <flipstar> okay..then its probably an problem with kscd itself..you choosed the right device there..?
[20:53] <user1> any app that shows me full details of active internet connections. their speed and process/file using them?
[20:53] <flipstar> user1: iftop
[20:54] <flipstar> snikker: also make sure there is no second instance open
[20:55] <MrJoey> Does anybody know if there are any Free Software companies with a Free File Alliance?  (thus enabling them/it to file US taxes online)
[20:55] <snikker> flipstar: i think yes, the strage thing is that sometime it work fine and sometime not... no other istance open
[20:55] <dwidmann> MrJoey: waiting to the last minute huh?
[20:55] <user1> !iftop
[20:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iftop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:55] <Coggz> anyone here got perbox-voice?
[20:55] <user1> !info iftop
[20:55] <ubotu> iftop (source: iftop): displays bandwidth usage information on an network interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.17-4 (gutsy), package size 31 kB, installed size 104 kB
[20:55] <user1> flipstar no such package
[20:55] <MrJoey> dwidmann> No second to last minute :)
[20:56] <MrJoey> I just want to see if there are any FOSS alternatives to filling out the PDF with okular-kde4
[20:56] <user1> flipstar  my apt says. thers no package
[20:56] <MrJoey> (that is, the f1040.pdf or f1040ez.pdf
[20:56] <falieson> how do I have it reload possibilities for when you double tab in a terminal?
[20:57] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm trying to get 3d desktop effects to work with KDE4. Under Desktop Effects in system settings, I am told that the required X extensions, XComposite and XDamage, are unavailable. Where can I get the libraries to provide these functionalities? Thanks in advance.
[20:58] <flipstar> snikker: try sudo killall kscd and try again ..
[20:58] <kkerwin> #kubuntu-kde4 seems to be dead, otherwise, I would ask there. Thank you.
[20:58] <dwidmann> MrJoey: I'm googling for one
[20:58] <MrJoey> This lists all the companies with alliances:  http://www.irs.gov/app/freeFile/jsp/index.jsp?ck#Company1
[20:58] <MrJoey> I was just wondering if anybody happened to know from experience if an FOSS company had emerged for taxes.
[20:59] <flipstar> kkerwin: you have graphic drivers installed ?
[20:59] <dwidmann> MrJoey: http://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/ maybe?
[20:59] <kkerwin> I have checked that libxcomposite1 and libxdamage1 are installed.
[21:00] <kkerwin> flipstar: Pretty sure. What are they for the Radeon 9600 Mobility, just so I can double check?
[21:00] <snikker> flipstar: kscd: no processes
[21:00] <Coggz> #voice
[21:00] <Coggz> oops
[21:00] <flipstar> kkerwin: just use the restricted-manager
[21:01] <flipstar> snikker: hm..but <kdesu kscd> still not working ?
[21:01] <kkerwin> flipstar: Uhm. What's the command to run that? "restricted-manager" doesn't seem to do that trick.
[21:01] <flipstar> kkerwin: .. you have kde4 on hardy ?
[21:02] <kkerwin> flipstar: Ya.
[21:02] <flipstar> then its something with jockey
[21:02] <kkerwin> flipstar: Erhh ...
[21:02] <flipstar> put that in a terminal and press tab
[21:02] <kkerwin> flipstar: No, I think gutsy.
[21:02] <MrJoey> dwidmann> Thanks.  I guess there are no companies that have a Free File Alliance that maintain a GPLed tax program that can e-file.
[21:03] <flipstar> kkerwin: just search for restricted in kmenu ..
[21:03] <MrJoey> It'd be cool if someone started such a project (it would probably have to be an entrepreneur)
[21:03] <snikker> flipstar: same error... no permission to access /dev/hdb
[21:04] <martijn81> kkerwin: also see this: TsP5wy5si8
[21:04] <martijn81> oops
[21:04] <martijn81> hhee
[21:04] <martijn81> kkerwin: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/COMPOSITE_HOWTO?revision=767563&view=markup
[21:05] <martijn81> maybe we can add that link to the !composite-kde4
[21:05] <martijn81> i dunno how that works, someone?
[21:05] <flipstar> snikker: hdb ?? thats a hard drive ..
[21:06] <kkerwin> martijn81: What am I looking at here? What do you want me to look for?
[21:06] <martijn81> kkerwin: there is information how to configure X for composite effects
[21:06] <eagles0513875> 623xvnqh48
[21:06] <kkerwin> Ok.
[21:06] <eagles0513875> sry cant type tonight
[21:07] <kkerwin> Ok. Have verified that graphics drivers are installed. What's next?
[21:07] <snikker> flipstar: no, it's cdrom... i'm shure
[21:07] <martijn81> configure xorg.conf
[21:08] <flipstar> kkerwin: maybe add Option  "Composite"     "Enable" in xorg.conf
[21:09] <flipstar> snikker: oh..kay sorry no further idea..maybe ask in #kde ..
[21:09] <kkerwin> Ok. Did that. Any other options that I should consider?
[21:09] <martijn81> anyone can add my link to the bot?
[21:09] <kkerwin> That is, before I restart X?
[21:09] <snikker> flipstar: ok, thanks
[21:09] <martijn81> kkerwin: read my link, all is there for you to know
[21:10] <flipstar> martijn81: type "/msg ubotu howdy"
[21:10] <kkerwin> martijn81: Your link is in regards to an NVidia card. Mine is an ATI Radeon 9600 Mobility. Will the same hold true?
[21:10] <flipstar> no..
[21:10] <martijn81> ati is there too
[21:10] <martijn81> scroll down
[21:11] <kkerwin> martijn81: Gutsy Tribe 5: Kernel Module error when enabling Nvidia restricted driver?
[21:11] <user1> is there an ap that inverts all colors in a picture file?
[21:12] <martijn81> kkerwin: sorry, dunnno what you are talking about
[21:13] <kkerwin> martijn81: Sorry. I see what happened. I'm looking at the wrong window. I'll have a look at this. Thanks again.
[21:13] <astan> anyone know of a program that will just show the picture from my webcam that is in official repos? dmesg says it's supported.
[21:13] <astan> i just want to know it works.
[21:13] <eagles0513875> !webcam
[21:13] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[21:13] <Coggz> user1: try gimp
[21:13] <flipstar> user1: gimp is _the_ prog for picture editing
[21:13] <Coggz> agreed^^
[21:14] <dubby> hey anyone, I am trying to run ksudoku but moving the cube around is all blocky and when the blocks are in the correct position
[21:14] <astan> eagles0513875: thanks a bunch.
[21:14] <Coggz> on par with photoshop
[21:14] <dubby> it used to be very smooth
[21:14] <eagles0513875> astan: no prob
[21:14] <martijn81> kkerwin: also note that enabling the composite effect "blur" braked normal booting into X on kde 4.0.2, i dunno the status in current 4.0.3
[21:14] <user1> ok
[21:14] <kkerwin> martijn81: K
[21:15] <flipstar> Coggz: some people also talking about 'pixel' .. but its non-free and i didnt tried
[21:15] <Coggz> hmm
[21:15] <flipstar> only a free demo (with watermarks)
[21:18] <martijn81> flipstar: that only give me a hi
[21:18] <flipstar> martijn81: yes..but it opens a query ..
[21:18] <flipstar> now you can talk to ubotu :)
[21:18] <martijn81> lol, but i need to know how to add info
[21:19] <flipstar> oh
[21:19] <flipstar> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots then
[21:19] <martijn81> k
[21:20] <kkerwin> Ok. Restarting X now.
[21:22] <mefisto__> where's the proper place to keep executables (shell scripts, etc) to keep them separate from /usr/bin ?
[21:22] <aib> how can I record a video of my desktop?
[21:22] <flipstar> martijn81: if you want to request an factoid or so maybe in #ubuntu-bots
[21:22] <Coggz> kdesktoprecorder
[21:23] <aib> Coggz, tx
[21:23] <user1> can i plug off hardisk or a cd rom . plug it again. while the system is still runing in ram?
[21:23] <aib> Coggz, no google results for kdesktoprecorder
[21:23] <eagles0513875> user1: nope
[21:24] <Coggz> oh
[21:24] <flipstar> aib: probably a typo in there
[21:24] <Coggz> it was something like that
[21:24] <aib> i didn't typo..i also don't see an app likes this
[21:24] <user1> eagles0513875 why . someone said linux is smarter in that. more than windows
[21:24] <eagles0513875> user1: i could be wrong on what i said i know u can do it with a raided hdd array
[21:25] <user1> hm
[21:25] <eagles0513875> user1: what u planning on doing
[21:25] <user1> eagles0513875 preparing for a hd cdrom failure
[21:26] <flipstar> aib: maybe try xvidcap
[21:26] <eagles0513875> user1: so a hd and cd driver r dying on ya
[21:26] <flipstar> mefisto__: you can place scripts anywhere .. you can edit common paths in /etc/environment
[21:26] <user1> eagles0513875 i dont think so. but hd is most unrealiable
[21:27] <eagles0513875> u have a raided array
[21:27] <user1> whats that
[21:27] <flipstar> user1: you can chroot into hdd then unmount the cd
[21:28] <user1> flipstar dont understand
[21:28] <flipstar> wait let me catch what you trying to do
[21:28] <user1> flipstar whast chrooting
[21:28] <user1> k
[21:28] <eagles0513875> user1: if ur wanting to change ur cd drive ur goign to need to shut it down
[21:29] <eagles0513875> user1: in regards to ur hd if u wanna hot swap it it has to be in raid array
[21:29] <flipstar> or SATA
[21:29] <mefisto__> flipstar: yeah of course, but there is a dir set aside for non-core executables. Is it /usr/local/bin I'm thinking of?
[21:30] <flipstar> mefisto__: yes..sure /usr/local/bin/ or /opt
[21:31] <Hamra> !lbex
[21:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lbex - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:31] <flipstar> user1: linux can survive few moments without a harddrive/cdrom but not live without it
[21:31] <user1> system is important enough not to want to shut down in case of hardware failure,
[21:31] <eagles0513875> !info | lbex
[21:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:31] <flipstar> user1: if the hardware fails there is no way
[21:31] <eagles0513875> !info | obex
[21:32] <flipstar> Intrepid Ibex is 8.10
[21:32] <user1> flipstar if it can survive . then i can replace the hd... right?
[21:32] <eagles0513875> !intrepid
[21:32] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[21:32] <flipstar> user1: if its exactly the same hard drive..(partitions, content) and youre fast..maybe
[21:33] <eagles0513875> flipstar: dont think so far ahead lol we dont have hardy yet
[21:33] <user1> flipstar ya.. nice. idea
[21:33] <flipstar> eagles0513875: pre alpha is in june or so :))
[21:33] <eagles0513875> flipstar: well im goign to be on that testing that out
[21:33] <user1> flipstar but linux can survieve without  a hd...?
[21:33] <eagles0513875> user1: it should but then again not to sure bout that
[21:34] <flipstar> user1: as i said survive a short moment..but not life without a filesystem..
[21:34] <flipstar> you still can use a cdrom or so instead
[21:34] <flipstar> usb etc
[21:34] <eagles0513875> flipstar: that changes though when ur in a raid array though
[21:34] <saki> Does CompizFusion support KDE4 yet?
[21:35] <user1> eagles0513875 flipstar hmm..  ok
[21:35] <user1> eagles0513875 flipstar  thanks!
[21:35] <eagles0513875> saki: im on kde4 with compiz seems to be working for me
[21:35] <eagles0513875> user1: no prob
[21:36] <flipstar> in a raid you can also chroot to a usb pen ..
[21:36] <kkerwin> Ok. Here's what I got:
[21:36] <kkerwin> (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727)
[21:36] <kkerwin> (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[21:36] <user1> whats chrooting? flipstar
[21:36] <kkerwin> Pardon. This is from my xorg.conf.
[21:36] <kkerwin> martijn81: Ideas?
[21:36] <flipstar> and when the raid controller is clever enough it automaticly configures the new drive :)
[21:37] <eagles0513875> yep
[21:37] <eagles0513875> !pastebin | kkerwin
[21:37] <ubotu> kkerwin: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:37] <flipstar> user1: chroot is changing the environment
[21:37] <saki> Anyone know how to "bridge" two network connections?
[21:37] <martijn81> kkerwin: have you done acactly what the doc descriped?
[21:38] <eagles0513875> !icecast2
[21:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icecast2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:38] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Yes. I know. I thought that it would only come across as one line, and it seemed to be alright.
[21:38] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: just a friendly reminer
[21:38] <kkerwin> martijn81: Yes. Everything int he Intel portion.
[21:38] <martijn81> weird
[21:38] <martijn81> i have an nvidia though, that worked fine with that doc
[21:38] <fdoving> saki: yes. you need bridge-utils.
[21:38] <kkerwin> martijn81: Actually, X refused to run with the AIGLX explicitly stated in the xorg.conf
[21:39] <fdoving> saki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces
[21:39] <flipstar> kkerwin: start with one value.. compositing for e.g
[21:39] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: what kinda card u got
[21:39] <martijn81> kkerwin: i dunno, you said you run gutsy right? i would try hardy
[21:40] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Radeon 9600 Mobility
[21:40] <eagles0513875> interesting for my im on a radeon xpress 200m and i think u should be using fglrx
[21:40] <eagles0513875> at least thats what im using
[21:40] <eagles0513875> !ati
[21:40] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:40] <Coggz> make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
[21:40] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: It uses fglrx indeed.
[21:40] <Coggz> how do i fix
[21:40] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: What is at issue?
[21:41] <Coggz> !make
[21:41] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[21:41] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: y is martijn81messing round with aiglx
[21:41] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Because it's less of a hack than Xgl?
[21:41] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: i have an easy how to to get open gl working on ati cards if u would like it
[21:42] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Yes plz.
[21:43] <eagles0513875> :)
[21:43] <eagles0513875> this link is from edgy but they have for gutsy as well
[21:44] <eagles0513875> r u guys both on gutsy
[21:44] <kkerwin> <-- Gutsy. Yes.
[21:45] <martijn81> hardy, and i got it working
[21:45] <eagles0513875> for both of u im suprised the restricted managers didnt pick up ur cards and set it up for ya
[21:45] <flipstar> Coggz: yes read that..you probably need to configure first
[21:46] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: i want u to open up ur system settings and underadvanced it shoudl say restricted manager
[21:46] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: click on that and let me know what comes up
[21:46] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Can't find restricted-manager there ...
[21:47] <kkerwin> But, I can run "restricted-manager-kde" ...
[21:47] <eagles0513875> thats it
[21:47] <eagles0513875> try that
[21:47] <eagles0513875> that should bring up a box to enable all restricted drivers for all devices like broadcom wifi cards as well as ur video card
[21:47] <user1> flipstar can you further tel what is chroot
[21:47] <kkerwin> ATI accelerated graphics driver is checked and marked as "in use"
[21:47] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: type glxinfo and at the top it should say direct rendering yes
[21:48] <flipstar> user1: google for it :) or search the ubuntu wiki..
[21:48] <flipstar> user1: or the manpages :P
[21:48] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Yes.
[21:48] <user1> flipstar ok.
[21:48] <user1> flipstar one advise about security of my server
[21:48] <user1> what about network intrussion. un auth access, ports scannin. etc..exploites.. etc?
[21:48] <eagles0513875> then ur up and running
[21:48] <bmk789> how do i use pulseaudio on KDE?
[21:49] <kkerwin> Ok. But I'm trying to get compositing to work.
[21:49] <flipstar> user1: you might want to install/run tiger
[21:49] <flipstar> its a security checker
[21:49] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: in regards to compiz
[21:50] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: In regards to the compositing native to KDE4.
[21:50] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: ahhh gotcha whats it supposed to do
[21:50] <flipstar> user1: run tiger -e and it will give you a bunch of good tips with detailed explanaitions
[21:50] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: One moment.
[21:50] <eagles0513875> ok
[21:51] <user1> flipstar k
[21:51] <eagles0513875> !shoutcast
[21:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shoutcast - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:53] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Ok. It's no longer complaining that XComposite and XDamage are missing. But I still do not see the desktop effects.
[21:53] <flipstar> user1: about open ports..you have to check the application behind that..same with exploits
[21:53] <flipstar> just keep it uptodate
[21:53] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: can u explain to me the desktops effects of kde4
[21:53] <eagles0513875> im running compiz with it
[21:53] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Oh, I see.
[21:54] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: I'm not sure. They are located in System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects in KDE4.
[21:54] <matisse> hi
[21:54] <matisse> which Package do I have to install if "glib 2.0 environment" is missing ?
[21:55] <user1> flipstar you mean i got to check apache if irun a webhost?
[21:55] <fdoving> matisse: libglib2.0-dev
[21:55] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: i dont have that and im on hardy beta
[21:56] <matisse> fdoving: why not without "dev" ?
[21:56] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Ah. I see.
[21:56] <flipstar> user1: i mean check if apache updates are released..via mailing list or so and check that it is prober configured
[21:56] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Perhaps I should simply run compiz?
[21:56] <fdoving> matisse: i assume you're trying to compile something?
[21:56] <eagles0513875> go for it its addicting once u have it setup
[21:56] <matisse> fdoving: right
[21:56] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: In regards to running compiz, how do I set it up?
[21:56] <eagles0513875> sudo apt-get install compiz-fusion
[21:56] <jussi01> !compiz
[21:56] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:56] <fdoving> matisse: then you want the -dev package, as that's exactly what it's for.
[21:56] <user1> flipstar hmm. still peple get hacked on updates systems
[21:57] <matisse> fdoving: than thanks for the fast answer
[21:57] <flipstar> user1: becorse configuration is weak..right
[21:57] <user1> flipstar hmm..
[21:58] <matisse> fdoving: "GTK+ 2.0 environment not found" is now the answer
[21:58] <flipstar> apache has much unneeded stuff by default
[21:59] <rawb> i have arrived
[21:59]  * kkerwin runs furiously to get away from rawb ...
[21:59] <kkerwin> Just kidding ...
[21:59] <wells_> :)
[21:59] <matisse> fdoving: libgtk2.0-dev right ?
[22:00] <wells_> i'm planing tu buy a new box an run ubuntu on it
[22:00] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: if u have compiz questions once u get it setup let me know
[22:01] <fdoving> matisse: correct :)
[22:01] <wells_> I would like to know if the box I want will run ubuntu without any problem
[22:01] <user1> flipstar can you name an anti network intrusion tool?
[22:01] <matisse> fdoving: it is no problem having installed gtk1 and gtk2 ?
[22:01] <wells_> intel core duo E8400-3.0/6M/133
[22:01] <fdoving> matisse: no, they can coexist just fine.
[22:01] <fernando> hello
[22:01] <matisse> ok
[22:02] <fernando> having problems with DVD drive
[22:02] <fernando> and k3b
[22:02] <wells_> Mb asus P5b 1333FBS ddr2 pci-e
[22:02] <fernando> anybody can help?
[22:02] <flipstar> user1: no..sorry just type it in adept
[22:02] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Compiz wants me to use Xgl?
[22:02] <wells_> geforce 8500T 512 M pci-e
[22:02] <user1> flipstar k
[22:02] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: didnt ask me
[22:03] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: thing is i installed compiz first then kde4
[22:03] <fernando> hello! K3B is freezing my DVD drive, anybody has ideas?
[22:03] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: http://pastebin.com/m32e8b7ba
[22:03] <wells_> anyone can help ?
[22:04] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: what does the compiz --replace command do
[22:04] <user1> can any one name an anti network intrusion tool?
[22:04] <eagles0513875> fernando: gutsy or hardy beta
[22:04] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: did u download the compiz-fusion pkg
[22:04] <fernando> which one is 7.x ?
[22:05] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: I followed the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[22:05] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: scrath those instructions
[22:05] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Okie dokie. What instead?
[22:05] <user1> flipstar snort
[22:05] <eagles0513875> i just instaled the compiz-fusion pkg and the ccsm pkg which allows u to mod the compiz settings and thats all i did
[22:06] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: And where did you get these packages?
[22:06] <flipstar> user1: yes..snort is one of them :)
[22:06] <flipstar> use oinkmaster or so to control it
[22:06] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: in the repos
[22:06] <user1> > use oinkmaster or so to control it me?
[22:07] <eagles0513875> do apt-cache search for em
[22:07] <kkerwin> Are you using hardy or gutsy?
[22:07] <fernando> eagles: I have kubuntu 7.10
[22:07] <flipstar> user1: to control the rules for snort
[22:07] <fernando> isn't that feisty?
[22:07] <eagles0513875> fernando: ok how olds the drive in question
[22:07] <user1> flipstar is it gui?
[22:07] <flipstar> nope
[22:07] <eagles0513875> fernando: gutsy
[22:07] <user1> flipstar k
[22:07] <fernando> it's an HP 400i
[22:07] <fernando> a few years old
[22:07] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Ok. Now I'm getting confused whom you are talking to.
[22:08] <fernando> I noticed that drives are recognised as SCSI, even though theyare IDE
[22:08] <fernando> I read somewhere that SATA is used now for everything
[22:08] <fernando> could that be the problem?
[22:08] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: thats to fernando did u get the pkgs from the repos
[22:08] <fernando> yes
[22:08] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: No. I was asking you if that is the gutsy or hardy repos.
[22:08] <fernando> ah, ok
[22:08] <eagles0513875> fernando: did u do an upgrade rom feisty with no cd
[22:08] <fernando> just a sec...
[22:09] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: can u run an apt-cache search for compiz-fusion cuz i honestly am not sure
[22:09] <fernando> all my lines in sources.lst say "feisty"
[22:09] <eagles0513875> fernando: there might be ur problem
[22:10] <fernando> my kernel is 2.6.20-16-generic
[22:10] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: It only lists the package name, and not what repo it comes from.
[22:10] <eagles0513875> u did a cdless upgrade from feisty to gutsy and that is still quite buggy cuz dependecies sometimes dont work right
[22:10] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: then ull have to go into the pkg manager
[22:10] <fernando> yes, I did my upgrade through the internet
[22:10] <eagles0513875> fernando: u need to do a clean install
[22:10] <fernando> oops!
[22:11] <fernando> no other way around?
[22:11] <eagles0513875> fernando: that way tends to break alot of stuff
[22:11] <eagles0513875> not really unless u can live with out the drive
[22:11] <fernando> what if I run a dist-upgrade?
[22:12] <kkerwin> eagles0513875: Ok. I'm going to get rid of all of these extra packages that this installed first. I'll probably upgrade to hardy and see if compiz-fusion is in hardy's repos, because it is not in gutsy's repos.
[22:12] <fernando> how do I know exactly which version I am running?
[22:12] <eagles0513875> kkerwin: it is cuz im on hardy beta
[22:12] <eagles0513875> !version
[22:12] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[22:12] <fernando> ok
[22:12] <eagles0513875> fernando: 7.10 is gutsy
[22:12] <fernando> ok, it says 7,04 feisty
[22:13] <fernando> I thought I had 7.10
[22:13] <eagles0513875> then thats different
[22:13] <fernando> ok, so I am seemingly one version behind
[22:13] <fernando> however I'm sure I ran a dist-upgrade at some point
[22:14] <eagles0513875> lol fernando dont do cdless upgrade reinstall is best and safest way to not end up with dependency issues of pkgs that have been taken out of gutsy repos
[22:14] <eagles0513875> u understand what im saying
[22:14] <fernando> yes
[22:14] <fernando> but apt is supposed to take care of those things
[22:15] <fernando> debian upgrades are normally quite safe
[22:15] <eagles0513875> fernando: ive done it in the past and ive encountered problems
[22:15] <fernando> is this an ubuntu issue?
[22:15] <eagles0513875> k/ubuntu ya
[22:15] <fernando> I see
[22:16] <fernando> hmmm....not good....
[22:16] <fernando> :-(
[22:16] <fernando> thanks!
[22:16] <mefisto__> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy without problems
[22:17] <eagles0513875> mefisto__: lucky u
[22:17] <eagles0513875> fernando: back up ur data try it at least u would have ur data backup just in case something does go wrong
[22:17] <fernando> yes
[22:18] <mefisto__> fernando: I had to run a dist-upgrade a few times
[22:18] <fernando> so the problem was the dist-upgrade?
[22:18] <eagles0513875> give it a try is all i gotta say
[22:18] <eagles0513875> guys u know u have to edit ur source list with gutsy repo list
[22:18] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[22:18] <ubotu> source-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.
[22:18] <fernando> right, yes, I see. thanks for the advise
[22:18] <eagles0513875> fernando: but that site i wanted to link u is no more
[22:19] <eagles0513875> btw dist-upgrade downloads all pkgs even pkgs that have been held back
[22:19] <fernando> I see
[22:19]  * cracko is away: Gone away for now.
[22:19] <fernando> but why is my sources.lst still saying feisty?
[22:21] <mefisto__> fernando: probably the upgrade is not complete. try to update and dist-upgrade again and see what happens
[22:21] <fernando> right
[22:22] <fernando> ok, I'll try that.
[22:22] <fernando> thanks
[22:24] <eagles0513875> no prob
[22:25] <matisse> "X11 environment not found" - which package is that  ? libx11-dev is already installed. fdoving maybe ?
[22:28] <matisse> where do I find the autostart config files ?
[22:29] <eagles0513875> matisse: u on cli right now
[22:30] <matisse> eagles0513875: what ?
[22:30] <eagles0513875> matisse: u on a command line interface right now
[22:30] <matisse> uhm yes
[22:30] <matisse> i know how to work with bash :-)
[22:30] <eagles0513875> have u tried the command startx
[22:31] <matisse> oh, thats what you mean...
[22:31] <eagles0513875> ya
[22:31] <matisse> no, kde is already started
[22:31] <matisse> dont know what you understood...
[22:33] <jussio1> !autostart | matisse
[22:33] <ubotu> matisse: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[22:33] <jussio1> !bum | matisse
[22:33] <matisse> I would like to stop thttpd from starting at the boot up
[22:33] <ubotu> matisse: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[22:33] <matisse> thx
[22:33] <jussio1> :)
[22:37] <trillis> Can someone help me install something?
[22:37] <dwidmann> ugghhhhhh, I accidentally nuked my fstab for the first time in over a year :(
[22:38] <trillis> I'm trying to install something called Rosegarden, however, me being a noob in linux doesn
[22:38] <trillis> t
[22:38] <jussio1> trillis: wahts the issue?
[22:38] <trillis> help me install anything.
[22:38] <trillis> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/getting/
[22:39] <trillis> "We don't make ready-to-run binaries; you should get those as packages tailored for a particular Linux distribution"
[22:39] <jussio1> trillis: open adept manager (system - adept) then search for rosegarden and click install
[22:39] <jussio1> trillis: really easy
[22:39] <jussio1> :)
[22:39] <trillis> oh..
[22:39] <trillis> hehe
[22:40] <jussio1> same with most stuff
[22:40] <coreymon77> trillis: most stuff will be installed that way
[22:40] <coreymon77> trillis: adept is the easiest and best way to install software
[22:40] <trillis> Thanks!
[22:46] <trillis> Hmm...
[22:46] <trillis> I hit 'Request install' to install yes?
[22:49] <Kaevik> then Apply changes
[23:04] <jonathan_> hello!
[23:04] <PhilRod> hi jonathan_
[23:05] <maduser> !hello
[23:05] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[23:05] <jonathan_> I need your help! :) I downloaded firefox for Kubuntu as a tar.gz file. What is the next thing to do??
[23:05] <maduser> why didn't you use apt?
[23:05] <SlimeyPete> !adept
[23:05] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[23:05] <SlimeyPete> !apt
[23:05] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[23:05] <SlimeyPete> use apt/adept to install things, not .tar.gz files
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> if at all possible
[23:06] <jonathan_> thank you!! :)
[23:06] <jonathan_> I didn't use it because i didn't know it exists :D
[23:06] <SlimeyPete> :)
[23:06] <nonewmsgs> :) another satisfied customer
[23:07] <algyz> yes, nice :)
[23:08] <saki> Synaptic ftw
[23:08] <derenrich> When I try to use desktop-effects to add desktop effects it seems to kill kwin and then nothing starts to manage the windows...
[23:12] <cannon> hi all
[23:14] <matisse> hi
[23:15] <matisse> any question cannon  ?
[23:16] <cannon> kinda, but it's relating to centos-5 .. i can't get my internet to work on it
[23:17] <matisse> i dunno if this is the right channel for that
[23:18] <algyz> cannon:  try channel centos, also google is often helpful
[23:19] <cannon> lol
[23:19] <cannon> i've tried everyuthing
[23:19] <cannon> i've been at it all day ... not very good for a guy on meds let me tell ya
[23:19] <cannon> been throwing things accross the room! lol
[23:20] <algyz> cannon:  what kind of connection?
[23:33] <v6lur> how can i get rid of kwrite? safe to just rename it into /usr/bin/kwrite-bak and then symlink kate to kwrite?
[23:34] <v6lur> amarok script manager keeps calling kwrite, though kate is set as default text editor
[23:34] <PhilRod> should be fine I think, although it might be tidier to find the places where kwrite gets opened (eg file associations) and chenge it there
[23:34] <PhilRod> s/chenge/change/
[23:43] <v6lur> erm... which package contains kwrite?
[23:44] <PhilRod> kdelibs or kdebase
[23:45] <PhilRod> ah, I think the katepart, which is the editor which both kwrite and kate use, is in kdelibs, while the kwrite and kate applications live in kdebase
[23:45] <PhilRod> ICBW though
[23:46] <Jucato> kdebase in KDE 3 and kdebase/apps in KDE 4
[23:46] <Jucato> v6lur:  ^^^^
[23:46] <Jucato> unless you are talking about distro packages, that can be a totally different thing
[23:47] <Jucato> er wait lol sorry wrong channel... kwrite has a kwrite package :)
[23:47]  * Jucato blames PhilRod for being confused
[23:48] <PhilRod> heh, and I need to remember that the answer to a question depends on what channel I'm in
[23:48] <PhilRod> if (channel=="#kubuntu") shutUp();
[23:48] <Jucato> PhilRod: not really :)
[23:48] <Jucato> it's just the "KDE doesn't package stuff" mentality :)
[23:49] <PhilRod> if (channel=="#kubuntu") thinkBeforeSpeaking(); then :-)
[23:49] <v6lur> ok, thanks..
[23:52] <stefan_> hi
[23:53] <stefan_> wow, 14 hours of installing linux
[23:54] <stefan_> first the installer locked at step 3 then i killed my windows mbr ;) *lol*, then the beta 8.04 gnome locked after 10 minutes on my laptop, then kubuntu 7.10 destroyed itself via adept
[23:55] <stefan_> now everthing fine
[23:57] <stefan_> does anybody here has installed kde4 on kubuntu 7.10 ?
[23:58] <cannon> any idea why kaffiene won't play avi's?
[23:58] <mefisto__> I do, stefan_
[23:58] <cannon> whats kde4?
[23:59] <mefisto__> cannon: upcoming version of kde (the window manager/interface that kubuntu uses)
[23:59] <cannon> is it eye candy?


[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[16:37] <DJones> nhandler: I see your interview for ubuntu-user.com has just been slashdot'd
[22:27] <nhandler> DJones: Yeah, but they got their information wrong


[19:17] <Budgie^Smore> so I am trying to commission nodes but it keeps failing on "'cloudinit' running config-ntp with frequency once-per-instance", any suggestions?
[21:12] <Budgie^Smore> this makes no sense :-/ I can't get MAAS to commission nodes because of ntp!
[21:30] <Budgie^Smore> looks like I have finally figured out what was going wrong :)
[21:43] <Budgie^Smore> for the record, the issue was with the maas region / rack controller not using the right name server


[12:49] <mup> PR snapd#9574 closed: o/devicestate,a/sysdb: make a backup of the device serial to save <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9574>
[16:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#3346 closed: Fix rosdep ROS_PYTHON_VERSION <Created by artivis> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3346>
[16:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#3337 closed: cli,plugins: assume that core22 base wants v2 plugins <Created by xnox> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3337>