[00:13] <outoppie> Good night everybody
[11:18] <czajkowski> morning folks
[11:30] <ebel> morning
[11:34] <czajkowski> could have sworn it was friday today
[11:34] <czajkowski> :(


[13:30] <tdaitx> hi, could someone please set LP: #1771363 and LP:#1771815 importances to High and also create a bionic task with High importance for both LP: #1771363 and LP: #1739631?
[13:31] <tdaitx> missed a space to make the bot happy: LP: #1771815


[00:16] <sveinse> I have installed 14.10 server and I have this USB3 SATA adapter. I don't get anything (in the kernel log) when connecting it. It did work on 14.04. What service or driver might I be missing?
[00:17] <sarnold> hey sveinse :)
[00:17] <sveinse> sarnold: Hey :)
[00:18] <sveinse> I got my issue fixed. PEBKAC :) sorry guys
[00:18] <sarnold> \o/
[01:18] <_apocalypse_> hello
[01:18] <_apocalypse_> Is anybody aware of the lucid server rerelease .4?
[01:19] <_apocalypse_> Is it still supported?
[01:23] <_apocalypse_> !lucid
[01:23] <_apocalypse_> !help
[01:23] <_apocalypse_> !list
[01:25] <_apocalypse_> In the lucid server rerelease 10.04.4 it comes with aptitude that crashes when minesweeper is run from it.
[01:26] <_apocalypse_> This is long term support after years of being released and finally rereleased minesweeper is broke?
[01:28] <_apocalypse_> I want to know how something like that occours where is the debugging priority?
[01:28] <_apocalypse_> That the main package manager has critical bugs years into debugging. Any explanation?
[01:28] <_apocalypse_> Is it the 4th release of a 5 year old codebase?
[01:30] <shauno> minesweeper?
[01:35] <_apocalypse_> Why is there a bug in the main package manager on the 4th release of lucid server?
[01:59] <_apocalypse_> Why is there a bug in the main package manager on the 4th release of lucid server?
[09:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:44] <ws2k3> Hello, when i try to do a apt-get upgrade i get  unable to open files list file for package `passwd': No such device or address
[09:50] <YamakasY> hi guys, my unattended upgrade are on 1 but packages are not upgraded
[10:56] <PaulePanter> Hi. When only accessing a server over SSH `console-data` is not needed, right?
[11:06] <bekks> Of course it is needed.
[11:07] <PaulePanter> bekks: For what?
[11:08] <bekks> For setting the keymap.
[11:08] <PaulePanter> bekks: Why do I need that when logging in over SSH?
[11:08] <bekks> Because otherwise your shell doesnt knpw which keymap should be used.
[11:16] <Notwang> hi
[11:17] <Notwang> I'm trying to install ubuntu server 14.04 on a server with gpt
[11:17] <Notwang> is there a guide on how to do that?
[11:34] <Notwang> do I need separate fat partition?
[11:34] <Notwang> why the installer doesn't support it?
[11:46] <gabrielm_za> hi guys.. i did a fresh install today of ubuntu 14.14 x64 and kvm. I am having an issue connecting to the hypervisor...
[11:46] <gabrielm_za> root@zero:/etc# virsh -c qemu:///system list
[11:46] <gabrielm_za> error: failed to connect to the hypervisor
[11:46] <gabrielm_za> error: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': No such file or directory
[11:47] <gabrielm_za> syslogs shows
[11:47] <gabrielm_za> Mar 20 07:14:58 zero kernel: [   12.010116] init: libvirt-bin main process ended, respawning
[11:47] <gabrielm_za> Mar 20 07:14:58 zero kernel: [   12.086729] init: libvirt-bin main process ended, respawning
[11:47] <gabrielm_za> Mar 20 07:14:58 zero kernel: [   12.154322] init: libvirt-bin main process ended, respawning
[11:47] <gabrielm_za> Mar 20 07:14:58 zero kernel: [   12.222302] init: libvirt-bin respawning too fast, stopped
[11:47] <gabrielm_za> any ideas ??
[11:51] <OpenTokix> gabrielm_za: Is your kvm module in kernel? Is VT-x or amd-eq enabled in bios?
[11:52] <gabrielm_za> VT-x is enabled
[11:52] <lordievader> gabrielm_za: Looks like libvirt is crashing.
[11:52] <jpds> gabrielm_za: Check /var/log/upstart for a libvirt failure?
[11:54] <gabrielm_za> root@zero:~# cat /var/log/upstart/ureadahead.log |grep libvirt
[11:54] <gabrielm_za> ureadahead:libvirt: Ignored relative path
[11:54] <gabrielm_za> northing else in /var/log/upstart/*
[11:55] <gabrielm_za> lsmod gives me: kvm_intel             143187  0
[11:55] <gabrielm_za> kvm                   455835  1 kvm_intel
[11:55] <jamespage> coreycb, zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1434526
[11:55] <jpds> gabrielm_za: Try running libvirtd by hand.
[11:57] <gabrielm_za> root@zero:/etc# libvirtd
[11:57] <gabrielm_za> 2015-03-20 11:56:41.265+0000: 2062: info : libvirt version: 1.2.2
[11:57] <gabrielm_za> 2015-03-20 11:56:41.265+0000: 2062: error : virConfParseString:426 : configuration file syntax error: /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf:12: unterminated string
[11:57] <gabrielm_za> 2015-03-20 11:56:41.265+0000: 2062: error : virStateInitialize:749 : Initialization of QEMU state driver failed: configuration file syntax error: /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf:12: unterminated string
[11:57] <gabrielm_za> 2015-03-20 11:56:41.265+0000: 2062: error : daemonRunStateInit:920 : Driver state initialization failed
[11:57] <gabrielm_za> argh
[11:57] <gabrielm_za> dammit
[11:57] <gabrielm_za> thanks jpds....
[11:58] <gabrielm_za> i had altered the vnc line in that file and was missing a " at the end of ..<IP_ADDRESS>"
[11:58] <gabrielm_za> :-)
[11:58] <gabrielm_za> many thanks for the help..!
[11:58] <jpds> No worries.
[11:58] <gabrielm_za> going to reboot... let's see if it comes up now...
[11:58] <gabrielm_za> lol
[11:58] <gabrielm_za> simple mistake
[11:59] <jpds> Happens.
[11:59] <gabrielm_za> root@zero:~# virsh -c qemu:///system list
[11:59] <gabrielm_za>  Id    Name                           State
[11:59] <gabrielm_za> ----------------------------------------------------
[11:59] <gabrielm_za> :)
[12:02] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks for handling that
[12:02] <jamespage> coreycb, its not to bad afaict
[12:02] <jamespage> two of those are refactorings - the other is a simple package
[12:02] <coreycb> jamespage, good to hear
[12:02] <jamespage> coreycb, keystone wants python-cryptography for a new token format
[12:02] <jamespage> need to MIR that
[12:02] <jamespage> might be tricky
[12:03] <coreycb> jamespage, hmm
[12:42] <coreycb> jamespage, for the icehouse pep8 cert changes, should I bump the release to 0ubuntu2?
[12:42] <jamespage> yeah that's fine
[12:42] <jamespage> 1.1 is also ok actually
[12:59] <coreycb> jamespage, here's cinder - https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/cinder/2014.1.4/+merge/253665
[13:50] <skinsky> Hi, when I run dpkg --list | grep linux-image to see what old kernels I can get rid of, it shows old kernels that are not even on the system?  Any idea how to get rid of them?  Or what the problem is?
[13:57] <skinsky> Is it because I have used apt-get remove when I should have used apt-get purge?  Thing is I just used apt-get remove as usual on some kernels that are there and they are gone so maybe not that!
[14:17] <pmatulis> skinsky: consider using a pastebin to show the output you see
[14:19] <skinsky> ok, actually its still showing the ones I recently removed...
[14:22] <skinsky> pmatulis:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/10635009/
[14:22] <skinsky> only 76 & 77 on the system at the moment
[14:25] <skinsky> they don't show wi ls in /boot just with the show image command?
[14:25] <skinsky> dont show in
[14:27] <pmatulis> skinsky: 'r' means it has been removed
[14:27] <skinsky> cetainly has, not on my system, is it a cache error
[14:28] <skinsky> you mean 'rc'
[14:28] <pmatulis> skinsky: yep
[14:29] <skinsky> ok, so I learn something new today, why
[14:29] <skinsky> not on the system thats for sure
[14:32] <skinsky> Googled but Google not been my friend for a while...
[14:32] <pmatulis> skinsky: 'r' for removed and 'c' for configuration remaining.  to rid your system of configuration files use 'apt-get purge' instead of 'apt-get remove'
[14:32] <YamakasY> is it still needed to grab the svn packages from WNADISCO ?
[14:32] <skinsky> ok, hence my previous ...
[14:34] <skinsky> pmatulis: perfect, ty
[14:34] <skinsky> note made :)
[14:34] <pmatulis> skinsky: keep on truckin'
[14:34] <skinsky> on the to the next problem ;)
[14:34] <skinsky> onto
[14:35] <skinsky> I keep my boot dir to 500gb and it can fill up
[14:36] <skinsky> never a truer word said that you learn something everyday
[14:37] <skinsky> 500gb?
[14:37] <skinsky> :)
[14:38] <OpenTokix> I have /boot at 256M
[14:38] <skinsky> yeah I meant 500mb sry
[14:39] <skinsky> the kernels come quite frequently :) these days
[14:40] <skinsky> btw guys you still need to sort the -1 problem in grub.cfg
[14:40] <skinsky> servers hang on reboot if not changed after kernel upgrade
[14:40] <skinsky> waits for a keystroke and on a headless that just aint possible
[14:41] <skinsky> needs to be set to 5 or 10
[14:42] <OpenTokix> skinsky: -1 problem?
[14:43] <skinsky> OpenTokix:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/797544
[14:45] <skinsky> I just like servers to come backup after reboot
[14:45] <skinsky> which is quite frequently these days
[14:46] <OpenTokix> skinsky: intresting
[14:46] <OpenTokix> skinsky: have to adjust /etc/default/grub to avoid it
[14:46] <skinsky> OpenTokix: its been there for ages
[14:46] <YamakasY> anyone /
[14:46] <skinsky> its a pain
[14:46] <OpenTokix> skinsky: but from what I see you can fix it by having a proper /etc/default/grub
[14:46] <skinsky> hetzner sort it some how but just my main server provider has yet to get up to speed
[14:47] <skinsky> just should not happen tho should it
[14:47] <OpenTokix> Just another configuration, nut a bug per say - just a weird default
[14:47] <skinsky> never a problem on debian
[14:48] <skinsky> yeah
[14:48] <skinsky> major pain tho if you forget to edit grub, you have to boot to rescue, edit and boot back to normal
[14:48] <OpenTokix> skinsky: Not a problem really, since the configuration managment system handles that.
[14:48] <skinsky> most of my servers are Ubuntu
[14:49] <YamakasY> is us.archive.ubuntu.com lacking ?
[14:50] <OpenTokix> skinsky: get config managmenet
[14:51] <skinsky> OpenTokix:  will check it out, ty
[14:52] <OpenTokix> skinsky: ie. dont expect ubuntu to have a configuration policy that suits your needs. - They only provide a platform to run on, you should make sure it runs as you intend it to run.
[14:54] <skinsky> well its not good for business, all servers I install these days are debian for this very reason
[14:55] <OpenTokix> skinsky: I prefer debian over ubuntu, but I dont really care
[14:55] <skinsky> never heard of a remote server not coming up because of something very basic like that
[14:55] <skinsky> love 12.04 :)
[14:55] <skinsky> and ubuntus eol
[14:58] <andreyst> Hi all, I am trying to install zabbix agent on two different server and the problem is - two different versions get installed.
[14:59] <andreyst> first one install 1:2.2.2+dfsg-1ubuntu1, second one - 1:2.4.4-1+trusty
[14:59] <andreyst> repos in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/zabbix.list are the same
[15:00] <andreyst> installing 2.4.4 manually specifying it for apt-get install doesn't work - cannot find it
[15:00] <andreyst> what am I doing wrong?
[15:00] <pmatulis> skinsky: why did you call it the -1 problem?
[15:01] <skinsky> because you nedd to change the time out from -1 to 5 or 10
[15:01] <skinsky> in grub.cfg to illiminate the problem
[15:01] <skinsky> need
[15:02] <skinsky> when you upgrade you get the warning that less than 0 is no longer supported in grub
[15:02] <skinsky> but ubuntu still sets it to -1
[15:02] <pmatulis> skinsky: oh, '-1' is the default for GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT
[15:02] <skinsky> yeah, sry
[15:02] <skinsky> hangon
[15:02] <pmatulis> alright, yeah that's not a great default
[15:03] <pmatulis> mabye for a desktop, but not a server
[15:03] <skinsky> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10635274/ ubuntu sets it to -1
[15:03] <rbasak> There's a bug that I intend to reopen to fix that.
[15:04] <skinsky> as I said for a headless machine its a pain ;)
[15:04] <rbasak> We basically agreed to change the default to something positive - 30 or something - at least on Vivid.
[15:04] <skinsky> its a majore pain
[15:04] <skinsky> major
[15:04] <skinsky> simple to fix I expect
[15:05] <rbasak> Fixing anything, however simple, is not trivial in Ubuntu. You have to be careful not to accidentally regress every user.
[15:05] <skinsky> rbasak:  needs to be 5 or 10
[15:05] <rbasak> skinsky: not enough for desktop.
[15:05] <skinsky> rbasak:  yeah it must be difficult
[15:06] <rbasak> It's a rare case anyway to get a boot failure that needs reverting
[15:06] <rbasak> Or a power cut doing a boot that makes it think it was a boot failure
[15:06] <rbasak> But I agree we need to eliminate even that small chance.
[15:07] <skinsky> yes the power cut can really throw a spanner in the works but with the -1 it happens on a soft boot, not all the time which I cannot get my head around tho
[15:08] <skinsky> hetzner show change it to 5 but my main server provide just leaves it at -1
[15:08] <skinsky> be nice if Ubuntu would get it sorted once and for all :)
[15:20] <skinsky> off topic, anyone get a good look at the eclipse today, not me totally clouded in the pyrenees :(
[15:23] <skinsky> I suppose when of the sings that your a good sysadmin is that you did not even know there was a major eclipse today
[15:23] <skinsky> signs
[15:23] <skinsky> and better spelling
[15:25] <skinsky> anyway, thanks for all your help, ty pmatulis :)
[15:25] <jamespage> sarnold, re the pysaml2 MIR - I've commented on the bug that due to the state of repoze.who, and the fact that plugin is not used by keystone, i'd like to patchup pysaml2 to push that back to a suggests requirement
[15:25] <jamespage> sarnold, thoughts?
[15:30] <BrianBlaze420> hello everyone I have ubuntu 14.04 LTS and I am trying to figure out where the ssh login messages are. I know that the banner is in /etc/issue.net but where can I find the rest of the login, like all the info after I actually log in?
[15:32] <Walex> BrianBlaze420: that ought to be not SSH specific, but for any login
[15:33] <BrianBlaze420> yeah well I am just curious where the default stuff is located
[15:33] <BrianBlaze420> like where it says  system info and all that
[15:33] <bearface> BrianBlaze420: look into motd and/or update-motd
[15:33] <BrianBlaze420> motd!
[15:33] <BrianBlaze420> i bet thats it XD
[15:33] <BrianBlaze420> thanks
[15:34] <BrianBlaze420> my brain is failing me this morning haha
[15:34] <Walex> BrianBlaze420: it could also be system news, or some PAM plugin
[15:35] <BrianBlaze420> thanks for sending me in a good direction
[15:35] <BrianBlaze420> really appreciate it
[15:57] <smoser> hallyn, so i got addicted to using 'lxc-attach'
[15:57] <smoser> any ideas on how i can get an equivalent for kvm
[15:58] <smoser> or , for bonus points, any remote system
[15:58] <smoser> key feature being that it takes arguments
[16:00] <gabrielm_za> ok, so I added additional space on my logical volume, it shows correctly when I do a lvscan
[16:00] <gabrielm_za>  ACTIVE            '/dev/vmstuff/vm_iso_images' [50,00 GiB] inherit
[16:01] <gabrielm_za> how do I resize the file system as that is still showing the original 10Gigs
[16:01] <gabrielm_za> it is a ext4 file system
[16:01] <gabrielm_za> root@zero:/mnt/vm_iso_images# resize2fs /dev/vmstuff/vm_iso_images
[16:01] <gabrielm_za> resize2fs 1.42.9 (4-Feb-2014)
[16:01] <gabrielm_za> resize2fs: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/vmstuff/vm_iso_images
[16:01] <gabrielm_za> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[16:02] <gabrielm_za> i am not sure if resize2fs only works on ext2/3 file systems ?
[16:02] <hallyn> smoser: ...  ssh ? :)
[16:03] <lordievader> gabrielm_za: Resize2fs works fine with ext4 filesystems too.
[16:03] <lordievader> gabrielm_za: You can even call resize2fs from lvextend :D
[16:03] <smoser> ssh is annoying in that it takes areguments.
[16:04] <smoser> errr. doesn't take arguments. forces through your shell
[16:04] <OpenTokix> smoser: What do you mean?
[16:05] <gabrielm_za> lordievader: the fiel system is unmounted, but i keep on getting device or resouce busy when i run the resize2fs command
[16:05] <gabrielm_za> *file
[16:06] <smoser> OpenTokix, lxc-attach -n my-container -- my command "$&$$(" "and" "my arguments"
[16:06] <lordievader> gabrielm_za: Is it?
[16:06] <smoser> try that with ssh
[16:06] <smoser> ssh host my command "**  " 'asdf "'
[16:06] <OpenTokix> smoser: ssh user@hosts "command --blhadiba > log.log"
[16:07] <smoser> i dont want shell interpretation on the other end.
[16:07] <gabrielm_za> pffft, i'll come scratch around a little later again..
[16:07] <OpenTokix> smoser: ok, since ssh is... secure shell, it is kind of hard to avoid
[16:07] <lordievader> gabrielm_za: lsof /dev/vmstuff/vm_iso_images
[16:08] <hallyn> smoser: sorry i don't have any ideas :)  just use p9 to mount the kvm's rootfs and then do it locally :)
[16:16] <OpenTokix> smoser: I dont see the problem
[16:27] <StathisA> ok, i've set up a localhost ssmtp and apticron and i can receive its notifications in gmail so it is working. now is it possible for apticron to use another smtp server in the same lan for the notification? - i dont want to nd up having ssmtp installations in all the servers ><
[16:32] <hanlon2> Hi.  I'm not sure if this is a Xen or Ubuntu question ... I've installed an Ubuntu Vivid DomU.  I notice that the kernel no longer provides a "/proc/sys/xen" dir.  That's mentioned, similarly, for Debian @ https://wiki.debian.org/Xen.  Does that now mean we need to run ntpd in each DomU?
[16:38] <OpenTokix> hanlon2: you have never had to run ntpd i a xen domu, since the dom0 handles the time of the guest. - very unreliably to  =)
[16:40] <hanlon2> OpenTokix: I was just informed by the Linode ops that you MUST run ntpd in the DomU with pv_ops.
[16:42] <OpenTokix> hanlon2: ok
[17:51] <squisher> rbasak, ok, pushed some changes for bcache-tools. I'd appreciate a check if I'm actually using gbp correctly.
[18:13] <squisher> rbasak, also I don't really like the --git-ignore-new option. Maybe a debian/.gitignore is a good idea?
[18:19] <rbasak> squisher: your changes look fine to me.
[18:19] <rbasak> squisher: though, try and push the Makefile change to upstream if you can (wherever that is - I appreciate it's unclear)
[18:19] <rbasak> squisher: saves us accidentally forking
[18:20] <rbasak> squisher: what don't you like about --git-ignore-new?
[18:20] <rbasak> squisher: you might be able to put something in .git/gbp.conf or ~/.gbp.conf to always --git-ignore-new if it's just a personal preference
[18:22] <rbasak> squisher: though you're pushing changes right now, so if you want a debian/.gitignore for now I'm fine for you to go ahead and add it. I'll only push to take it out if it actually (rather than hypothetically) causes me pain.
[18:40] <hanlon2> I've installed gpgv2 in Vivid.  I've no need/want for gpgv1 -- but an apt remove of gnupg looks 'serious'.  Is it intended that gpgv1 is still tigthly wired in?
[18:40] <hanlon2> tightly, even
[20:04] <bitfury> hey guys, is there an easy way to install the same packages (same versions) installed on one to another ?
[20:16] <henkjan> bitfury: dpkg --get-selections
[20:17] <henkjan> bitfury: https://kura.io/2010/07/02/using-dpkg-selections-to-backup-and-install-packages/
[20:19] <bitfury> henkjan: hmm ok, but that just gives me a list of names which I can use on the new system to install, but how do I keep it from installing candidate versions which might be newer?
[20:21] <henkjan> bitfury: i suppose you are running the same ubuntu release on both servers?
[20:21] <henkjan> and keep them up2date
[20:21] <henkjan> then you won't have any differences in versions
[20:22] <bitfury> henkjan: they're running the same ubuntu release with just the latest security updates.
[20:25] <henkjan> bitfury: in that case you should end up with 2 servers with the same package
[20:28] <bitfury> henkjan: oh ok, so the iso's from releases do not include the latest updates?
[20:28] <bekks> bitfury: correct.
[20:29] <bitfury> oh, now I remember there's a prompt during installation to do it if you like.
[20:29] <bitfury> thanks guys
[20:39] <blackyboy> I cant upgrade the packages getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/10637487/
[22:21] <luifer> hello
[22:21] <luifer> I need to configure ubuntu server like a proxy, any one?


 Would they both come from the same graphics card? Does it improve image quality?
[09:24] <Kilos> hehe
[09:24] <Squirm2> hello there Kilos
[09:25] <Kilos> lo brother to Squirm
[09:25] <Kilos> Squirm, is it just as cold the at night as here
[09:26] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[09:27] <Kilos> oh ya Squirm are you gonna sit in on the LPI classes
[09:37] <kbmonkey> dag hello o/
[09:41] <Squirm> what LPI classes?
[09:41] <Squirm> and last night wasn't that cold
[09:41] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[09:42] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  and nuvolari  are gonna give classes here
[09:42] <Squirm> interesting
[09:43] <kbmonkey> and Kilos will be our test subject =D
[09:45] <Kilos> kbmonkey, give him the link to get the book please
[09:45] <kbmonkey> okay the link is http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[09:52] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI manual
[09:52] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[09:53] <Kilos> there now maaz has it for future refs
[09:57] <Kilos> Maaz, LPI manual
[09:57] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[09:57] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ^^
[11:06] <inetpro> Kilos: hi
[11:44] <Kilos-> what is the correct command to get back to desktop after c+a+F2 please
[11:44] <Kilos-> i tried sudo gdm start and it told me its bailing out
[11:45] <kilos> something with init in i think
[11:49] <superfly> kilos: ctrl+alt+f7
[11:54] <kilos> ty superfly
[11:56] <kbmonkey> got back to your desktop okay kilos ?
[11:57] <kilos> i will try it again hust now
[11:57] <kilos> hehe
[11:57] <kbmonkey> sjoe i have email backlog again, see a few ubuntu list mails unread :p
[11:57] <kilos> pulled the plug last time
[12:12] <kilos> yay ctrl+alt+F7 works like a charm
[12:33] <kilos> Yay. langjan has xchat installed
[12:40] <kilos> whether it is gonna work remains to be seen
[12:53] <kilos> hi Langjan
[12:54] <kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:54] <Langjan> hi kilos
[12:54] <kilos> looks like we having some success hey Langjan
[12:55] <Langjan> You certainly are a kanniedood!
[12:56] <kilos> lol
[13:01] <kilos> is everything working now Langjan
[13:02] <Langjan> Havent checked, will get back to yuo but seems like you think it will be...
[13:05] <kbmonkey> welcome back Langjan
[13:06] <Langjan> thanks kbmonkey, looks like all is well thanks to kilos and you, have just been able to install some new packages.
[13:07] <kbmonkey> you have? kilos what did you do, you fixed it!
[13:07] <kbmonkey> mooi so XD
[13:08] <kilos> we went c+a+f2
[13:08] <kilos> then sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:19] <kilos> oh and he should have aptitude now too
[13:20] <kilos> now i cant remember if gparted has to be installed in maverick or if its already there
[13:20]  * kilos does a jig
[13:21] <Langjan> yes you had me start with aptitude
[13:23] <kilos> good now if you want to install stuff
[13:24] <kilos> sudo aptitude install package
[13:24] <kilos> and with  older stuff that might be a bit updated
[13:24] <kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall package
[13:25] <kilos> also dont forget to untick the check for updates in update manager
[13:25] <kbmonkey> i don't know if gparted is on maverick,
[13:25] <kbmonkey> maybe also uncheck the option for partial updates
[13:25] <kbmonkey> if there is such an option?
[13:31] <kilos> i dont think so
[13:31] <kilos> it normally only asks that if you lose connection while updating
[13:39]  * scar[w] pokes highvoltage
[13:45] <kilos> Langjan, as in sudo aptitude install gparted
[13:46] <kilos> gparted is a patitioning tool so you can make a storage partition for backups and saving your packages you have downloaded
[13:46] <highvoltage> ouch
[13:47] <kilos> lol lo highvoltage
[13:47] <highvoltage> hello kilos and scar[w] :)
[13:48] <highvoltage> scar[w]: ctwug scar?
[13:48] <scar[w]> jip jip
[13:48] <highvoltage> cool
[13:49] <scar[w]> ek wou se ekt gister 'n matroos gewaar op een van jou accounts
[13:51] <scar[w]> het gelyk asof jy besig was om 'n baie mooi email te tik
[13:52] <highvoltage> 'n matroos?
[13:58] <kilos> a sailor
[13:58] <scar[w]> ja iemand het daar gepraat van voort *** en sulke goed
[13:58] <kilos> musta been lotsa swearing
[13:58] <scar[w]> yeah
[14:18] <highvoltage> scar[w]: aaah :)
[15:24] <kilos> lo nlsthzn queery
[15:25] <queery> hi oom kilos
[15:25] <kilos> im not a oom anymore Langjan is the new oom
[15:25] <kilos> hee hee
[15:26] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle kilos ... two toppies are better than none :D
[15:26] <kilos> lol
[15:27] <Langjan> Lekker om 'n toppie te wees, kilos, are you saying I should no longer use update manager?
[15:28] <kilos> you can just to do the settings untick and then  let it update
[15:29] <kilos> Langjan, but in future you will update when it suits you
[15:29] <nlsthzn> So is ucle Langjan's PC working now?
[15:30] <kilos> i am sure because update manager couldnt get past the broken package to install
[15:30] <kilos> nlsthzn, yip
[15:30] <kilos> yoohoo
[15:31] <kilos> and other packages couldnt be install because update manager was running without being able to do anything that was the problem
[15:33] <nlsthzn> Well I am glad you guys got it sorted out... way to go :D
[15:33] <kilos> Langjan, updte manager does your linux kernel updates and all the security updayes very lekker
[15:34] <kilos> hehe i am glad too because maverick rocks and i dont like to see peeps struggling with it
[15:34]  * kilos loves maverick
[15:35] <nlsthzn> The meerkat is allright :)
[15:35] <kilos> allright=understatement
[15:36] <kilos> Maaz, maverick ++
[15:37] <nlsthzn> Maverick has a few issues that they should have addressed IMO... Like upgrading the software store to have paid for apps...
[15:37] <kilos> well nlsthzn suggest that to the powers that be and hear what they say
[15:38] <kilos> if i could get vodacom as friendly  as maverick i would be very happy
[15:39] <nlsthzn> Oh... they know... but the policies will not allow it... 12.04 it will be rectified
[15:39] <kilos> ah
[15:40] <kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:40]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[15:40] <queery> Maaz, coffee please
[15:40] <Maaz> queery: Done
[15:43] <nlsthzn> Maaz: tea please
[15:43] <Maaz> Everybody here drinks coffee or goes thirsty
[15:43] <nlsthzn> :/
[15:44] <kilos> lol
[15:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kilos and queery!
[15:44] <kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[15:44] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[15:45] <queery> Maaz, botsnack
[15:45] <Maaz> queery: :-)
[15:58] <kilos> Maaz, whats for supper
[15:58] <Maaz> A nice thick homemade  oxtail and vegetable soup for starters and then Spaghetti bolognese
[16:00] <nlsthzn> yuck
[16:00] <kilos> what yuck?
[16:01] <nlsthzn> soup
[16:01] <kilos> hey hot soup does down well in cold weather
[16:02] <kilos> we like 2' c tonight
[16:02] <kilos> i dunno how to make a degrees sing
[16:02] <kilos> sign
[16:04] <nlsthzn> I always just right degC
[16:04] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:05] <kilos> lol
[16:05] <kilos> Maaz, arab supper
[16:05] <Maaz> Camel steaks and dates
[16:08] <kilos> i wonder why all ibids only make coffee
[16:11] <scar[w]> I also prefer natty if I'm running full opensource, maverick over natty if I have any proprietary software especially 3d drivers
[16:11] <scar[w]> bye everyone hope you have a nice weekend!
[16:12] <scar[w]> *also maverick
[16:12] <Kilos> cheers scar[w]
[16:13] <Kilos> see ya monday
[16:13] <scar[w]> cya Kilos
[16:22] <Kilos> 10°
[16:22] <Kilos> hee hee
[16:22] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ^^
[16:23] <nlsthzn> I don't like dates... or camels for supper... congrats on the degree uncle Kilos :)
[16:24] <Kilos> hold down ctrl+shift and type in ub0
[17:09] <nlsthzn> Cool... I knew the Windows Office keys for special characters but not anything in Linux... Cool
[17:15] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn: it's actually really easy in linux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_Key
[17:17] <nlsthzn> My keyboard doesn't have such a key
[17:21] <tumbleweed> you can configure it to have one
[17:21] <tumbleweed> check your keyboard settings
[17:28] <Kilos> thats all the windows key is good for. making a compose key
[17:31] <Kilos> Langjan, we also have a small afrikaans channel
[17:32] <Kilos> you type in /j #ubuntu-afr or add it in there by favourite channels by adding a , after #ubuntu-za
[17:34] <Langjan> does it help, ons afrikaners kan mos nie saamstaan nie...
[17:34] <Kilos> dis hoekom die kanaal klyn is
[17:34] <Kilos> lol
[17:34] <Kilos> klein
[17:35] <Kilos> we use it when this channel is kinda busy
[17:41] <nlsthzn> I like to use the windows key to launch the thingy in natty that makes me run applications... (all the new terminolgy makes my head spin)
[17:52] <Langjan> Kilos where do I type in /j #ubuntu-afr?
[17:53] <Kilos> here jan
[17:53] <Kilos> eish here Langjan
[17:58] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn: that's what the left windows key is for :)
[17:59] <nlsthzn> tumbleweed: my lappy has but one of those keys :p
[17:59] <tumbleweed> nlsthzn: also, there are other spare keys, like the right alt key, or caps lock
[17:59] <nlsthzn> /join #ubuntu-afr
[17:59] <Tonberry> the menu key
[17:59] <nlsthzn> Langjan: ^^
[18:38] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight and warm
[18:38] <Kilos> nlsthzn, sleep cool
[18:38] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <nlsthzn> Kilos: night
[19:09] <nlsthzn> Cheers for a while... but in the imortal words of some guy: "I'll be back!"


[03:15] <help> hi
[03:15] <help> hello?
[04:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> how to redirect the sound to bluetooth headset. lubuntu 12.04
[07:50] <JohnDoe71rus> how to redirect the sound to bluetooth headset. lubuntu 12.04
[09:15] <MK`> When alpha/beta builds are released, do they just freeze the packages on a certain day, like the normal releases, and do some updates, and then build it with that?
[09:17] <MK`> or I guess more generally, is the Lubuntu build it the same as as the Ubuntu alpha/beta/release build, just with different default packages?
[11:08] <hosoka> hello all
[11:08] <hosoka> upgraded to 12.10 and did not getting any audio bac
[14:19] <Ascavasaion> How would a system running an AMD 2500+ XP (rated at 2500MHz) and actually 1833 MHz (real), with 384Mb RAM, 60Gb + 20Gb + 20Gb HDDs run Lubuntu?
[14:19] <holstein> Ascavasaion: you can try it live... i would expect it to be quite tolerable
[14:19] <holstein> i would say getting a faster system would require some more compromises
[14:20] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Aaaah, thank you :)  Want to use it for storing data, Scanning, print server.
[14:23] <Ascavasaion> holstein: What would you say I should rather use then?  Puppylinuyx?
[14:26] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i say you should decide what you need
[14:27] <holstein> i dont think anyone will argue there are faster distros than lubuntu, but the nice thing about lubuntu is the balance...
[14:27] <Ascavasaion> Distro to use as a print server for small home network, with scanner.  Also to use as a music player and file server for rest of network?
[14:27] <holstein> it is quite fast, but you can install anything from the ubuntu repositories easily
[14:27] <holstein> Ascavasaion: depends on the scanner
[14:27] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Yes, and LXDE is a nice desktop too.
[14:28] <holstein> sure, but you can do all of what you are talking about without a GUI... without lxde
[14:28] <holstein> is lxde a good choice? sure... do you need it? i dont know that
[14:29] <bioterror> not that much RAM
[14:29] <bioterror> I would not expect much
[14:30] <Ascavasaion> holstein: My wife needs to be able to use the machine as well... hence why I wanted a lighter desktop like Lubuntu.  I tried Xubuntu but I never liked the feel of it.
[14:31] <holstein> LXDE isnt all that much different.. without stating more about what you and your wife are looking for, its hard to say
[14:32] <holstein> you can literally load up the live CD and see what its like, or install LXDE or lubuntu-desktop in xubuntu or ubuntu
[14:32] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Basically something easy to use like Windows XP but simple enough to work on this old machine.
[14:32] <holstein> Ascavasaion: sure, but thats opinion
[14:32] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Okay, will experiment a little then.  thank you.
[14:32] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i personally dont fine XP "easy to use". its likely more that you and/or your wife are just more accustomed to it
[14:33] <holstein> there are more "clones" of windows xp out there that you might enjoy more
[14:33] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Yes, wife is a Windows user.
[14:36] <holstein> that machine should run windows XP just fine
[14:37] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Yes, but I do not have legit Windows XP.
[14:40] <kanliot> Ascavasaion, lubuntu will do what you want.  dont worry.  you might download the altenate cd just in case the desktop cd doesn't work right
[14:40] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: Thank you :)
[14:41] <kanliot> but i can't guarantee that your scanner will work
[14:41] <kanliot> and generally you need 512MB to run the liveCD
[14:41] <kanliot> but anythings possible
[14:41] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: Oh :(
[14:41] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: Aaaah, so I should experiment hehe
[14:41] <kanliot> if you're going to dual boot
[14:41] <kanliot> you're really better off with the alternate installer
[14:43] <kanliot> the alternate installer is a lot slower, might take nearly an hour to install 12.04
[14:43] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: No dual boot... just Linux.
[14:43] <kanliot> ok
[14:43] <kanliot> try the desktop installer then
[14:43] <kanliot> make sure you "install lubuntu" not try Lubuntu
[14:44] <kanliot> and select "use whole disk" not "do somthing else"
[14:45] <Ascavasaion> kanliot: Okay, cool, thank you.  Will try that when I am home again.  We have laptops that we use for everyday stuff, but would like a machine to leave running downloads, to play music perhaps, to print from and to scan on.
[16:57] <Fersure> Hello.
[16:57] <wxl> morning
[16:57] <Fersure> I'm using Lubuntu 12.10 Beta and when I try to access the preferences in gnome-mplayer, the preferences dialog completely freezes.
[16:57] <Fersure> Is this a known issue?
[16:57] <wxl> have you searched launchpad?
[16:59] <wxl> using 1.0.6-1 i don't seem to have a problem with the dialog freezing
[16:59] <wxl> it's a little slow but not freezing
[16:59] <Fersure> no open bugs.
[16:59] <Fersure> and uh
[16:59] <Fersure> it completely freezes for like five minutes
[16:59] <Fersure> or whatever.
[16:59] <Fersure> then it's fine
[16:59] <wxl> yeah i don't have that long of an issue
[17:00] <kanliot> i've reported it
[17:00] <wxl> and i have a very resource limited vm i'm running it on at present
[17:00] <kanliot> was reported last month
[17:00] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1048785
[17:00] <wxl> yep you did
[17:00] <Fersure> I have 4GB RAM and a quad-core 2.2GHz processor on this machine
[17:00] <wxl> yep you've got a TON more processing power than me; memory too
[17:00] <wxl> so it's obviously not a resource issue
[17:01] <TheLordOfTime> *sigh*  i always love it when people don't put any data on bugs from apt
[17:01] <wxl> please confirm that bug Fersure
[17:01] <TheLordOfTime> s/apt/apport/
[17:01] <kanliot> TheLordOfTime, what you talkin bout
[17:01] <TheLordOfTime> kanliot, just the occasional whining about lack of apport bugdata :P
[17:03] <kanliot> TheLordOfTime, you a dev? areyou talking about users, or devs building apport templates?
[17:03] <wxl> if i may, TheLordOfTime, i think kanliot works hard to report every bug possible and tries to do it in the best possible way that he knows and i think if i were in his shoes i'd be concerned that you were complaining about this bug report?
[17:03] <TheLordOfTime> kanliot, neither, i'm talking about using the apport data collection features of ubuntu-bug
[17:03] <TheLordOfTime> which then autoattaches dependencies, additional config data baout a system, current OS, etc.
[17:04] <wxl> doesn't it do that automatically?
[17:04] <TheLordOfTime> nope
[17:04] <TheLordOfTime> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:04] <kanliot> if you could give me an example i could understand better please
[17:04] <TheLordOfTime> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#A4._Collect_information_about_the_bug
[17:04] <Fersure> wxl: Confirmed.
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> or you could read.
[17:05] <wxl> Fersure: thanks
[17:05] <Fersure> np, and ty. :>
[17:05] <wxl> right under "collect information about the bug" it suggests using ubuntu-bug <package> TheLordOfTime
[17:05] <wxl> Fersure: make sure you're subscribed to it too so you can keep up to date on changes
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> or if a bug is already filed
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> you can use apport-collect
[17:05] <TheLordOfTime> but that's irrelevant :p
[17:05] <wxl> so this is a new bug
[17:05] <wxl> which he used ubuntu-bug on
[17:06] <TheLordOfTime> lemme find a bug that *has* such info
[17:06] <wxl> what else is it missing?
[17:06] <TheLordOfTime> that doesnt' fall under the secureinfo
[17:06] <wxl> anbd what, without links, would you suggest different?
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> you're saying this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1042679) had apport data attached to it?
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> or are we on a different bug?
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> because the one you linked was a *duplicate* of 1042679
[17:07] <wxl> i'm just saying it was obviously filed with ubuntu-bug
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> prove it
[17:07] <TheLordOfTime> this onew was: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1048785
[17:07] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1048785 was i mean
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> but its a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1042679
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> i'm talking about that parent bug :P
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> confirming a duplicate is kind of pointless
[17:08] <wxl> should have made the other one a dupe XD
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> Remember, this bug report is a duplicate of bug #1042679.
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> Comment here only if you think the duplicate status is wrong.
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> chrono order :P
[17:08] <TheLordOfTime> shut up ubottu, nobody asked you!
[17:08] <wxl> i've seen bugs where that's not true
[17:09] <wxl> hold on lemme find one
[17:09]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[17:09] <TheLordOfTime> this sucks, no coffee...
[17:10] <wxl> mmm iced coffee yumm
[17:10]  * wxl waves his glass around proudly
[17:10]  * TheLordOfTime glares at wxl evilly
[17:10] <wxl> that's why i'm happy and you're a crabby patty
[17:10] <wxl> :)
[17:10] <wxl> speaking of crabby patties we better get on topic on Unit193 is gonna kick our butts
[17:11] <wxl> Fersure: in case the above doesn't make sense you should actually confirm and subscribe to bug 1048785
[17:12] <TheLordOfTime> except 1048785 is already confirmed :P
[17:12] <TheLordOfTime> okay, screw it, coffee time
[17:12] <wxl> i'm just saying the one that matters is the other one but whatever
[17:12]  * TheLordOfTime heads off to find somewhere that has coffee
[17:12] <Fersure> wxl: Yeah, that's the one I confirmed/subscribed to.
[17:13] <wxl> Fersure: great! thanks again! i'd suggest in the future if you've got something funky, check launchpad. if you don't come up with something, then irc/mailing list is a good place to check. sometimes you just don't have the right terms. despite that, when the bugs are triaged, they'll get lumped together as dupes if they are. as a general rule, file a bug.
[17:14] <Fersure> Ah, okay. ^^
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> REALLY? NOWHERE HAS COFFEE?
[17:14]  * TheLordOfTime grumbles
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> anyways, yeah, reporting a bug even if another bug already exists is fine, but chekcing launchpad first is always appreciated
[17:15] <wxl> indeed
[17:16] <Fersure> I'll be honest, using lubuntu wasn't my first choice. ;x
[17:16] <Fersure> I was hoping to install gentoo but the install completely failed. D:
[17:16]  * wxl gasps in shock
[17:17] <Fersure> `emerge syslog-ng` just completely failed. with seemingly no fix.
[17:17] <wxl> wellll i won't start the distro wars, Fersure, but we're happy with what we got :)
[17:17] <Fersure> oh, I love lubuntu
[17:17] <Fersure> It's just.
[17:17] <Fersure> Portage.
[17:17] <Fersure> :<
[17:18] <Fersure> I always loved portage. It's just... in a bad state these days.
[17:18] <Fersure> So.
[17:18] <Fersure> Lubuntu. :D
 I have 4GB RAM and a quad-core 2.2GHz processor on this machine
[17:18] <wxl> honestly i've never used gentoo
[17:18]  * kanliot invites fersure to #lubuntu-offtopic
[17:18] <wxl> UGH APPORT_COLLECT CAN KISS MY SOMETHING I SHOULDNT SAY HERE
[17:20] <wxl> oh, no, pebkac
[17:31] <jakeLubuntu> When I go to update my Lubuntu 12.04 release via sudo apt-get update, it gives me a long list of errors saying it can't fetch several packages from the Ubuntu server; help?
[17:32] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: can you pastebin the results?
[17:33] <jakeLubuntu> yep. just a sec.
[17:33] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: also it might be useful to see the content of /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:33] <jakeLubuntu>                                         W: GPG error: http://extras.ubuntu.com precise InRelease: File /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/extras.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_InRelease doesn't start with a clearsigned message W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise InRelease: File /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise_InRelease doesn't start with a clearsigned message W: GPG error: http://secu
[17:33] <wxl> that's one of the bugs in ppc lubuntu 12.10 :(
[17:33] <wxl> oops
[17:34] <jakeLubuntu> ok, no big deal. I thought I was running 12.04 though- still applicable?
[17:34] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: please pastebin the results starting with the command to the end. don't paste. pastebin.
[17:34] <jakeLubuntu> how do i pastebin? new command to me.
[17:34] <TheLordOfTime> !pastebin
[17:38] <jakeLubuntu> URL for the paste. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205236/
[17:38] <wxl> you have several errors here
[17:39] <wxl> pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:39] <wxl> it might be easier to sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[17:39] <wxl> then you can cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit and it will return the url
[17:39] <jakeLubuntu> yeah... i had them on a previous install of the same Lubuntu 12.04 and though reinstalling the OS would work, it didnt. :/
[17:40] <miniCruzer> Fersure: :O
[17:40] <Fersure> miniCruzer: :O
[17:40] <miniCruzer> who r u
[17:41] <Fersure> Not Joah.
[17:41] <Fersure> He sucks.
[17:41] <miniCruzer> he does
[17:42] <Fersure> you'd know.
[17:42] <Fersure> ;x
[17:42] <miniCruzer> lxterminal is about to get the smackdown
[17:42] <jakeLubuntu> my command line refuses the sudo apt-get pastebinit.
[17:42] <miniCruzer> jakeLubuntu: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[17:43] <jakeLubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205249/
[17:45] <jakeLubuntu> tried the install, it's not working. lists can't be parsed. see my pastebin above at 11:43
[17:45] <wxl> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
[17:45] <kanliot> jakeLubuntu, please pastebin /etc/apt/source.list w/o using pastebinit, just cut and paste
[17:45] <wxl> then try again
[17:51] <jakeLubuntu> ok, had a class end- got the sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf part, was anything posted after?
[17:51] <wxl> nope jakeLubuntu go for it and try over and you should be good
[17:52] <jakeLubuntu> alright, hitting the update now...
[17:55] <jakeLubuntu> same issue. makin a paste with the rm results and then the apt-get update.
[17:56] <kanliot> please pastebin /etc/apt/source.list w/o using pastebinit, just cut and paste  it might not be neccessary but please
[17:56] <jakeLubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205290/
[17:56] <jakeLubuntu> sorry, that's the paste of the code. going for the /etc now
[18:00] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: try sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -rvf
[18:01] <jakeLubuntu> tried the /etc/apt/source.list, must be doin it wrong. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205309/
[18:01] <jakeLubuntu> i'll try that sudo command again, tried it before- results pastebin'd at 11:56
[18:02] <kanliot> leafpad /etc/apt/source.list
[18:02] <kanliot> no sudo
[18:02] <wxl> jakeLubuntu: no it's slightly different; there's an r in there
[18:02] <kanliot> we're just looking at the contents
[18:02] <wxl> also it's sources.list not source.list
[18:02] <kanliot> :(
[18:02]  * wxl pats kanliot
[18:03] <jakeLubuntu> have source list, paste bin in 3, 2...
[18:04] <jakeLubuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205318/
[18:04] <jakeLubuntu> tried the new rm command @wxl, gonna try the update again...
[18:06] <jakeLubuntu> WOOO! *jake hugs wxl
[18:06]  * wxl hi5s jakeLubuntu
[18:06] <jakeLubuntu> so, what does that command do?
[18:06] <jakeLubuntu> i see it rm part of the lists, btu what are the -rvf for?
[18:06] <jakeLubuntu> and the * at the end of the directory? :)
[18:06] <wxl> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -rvf
[18:07] <wxl> sorry had to remind me of it
[18:07] <wxl> so sudo makes you superuser for the command
[18:07] <wxl> rm actually is the remove command
[18:07] <wxl>  /var/lib/apt/lists/ is a directory
[18:07] <wxl> it includes a directory called partial
[18:08] <wxl> these are indexes apt downloads
[18:08] <wxl> and technically every front end (liek synaptic) downloads
[18:08] <wxl> the partial one includes ones that haven't fully downloaded
[18:08] <wxl> somehow or another something in there got corrupted
[18:09] <wxl> since these are really only temporary files they can be deleted and will be refreshed when apt-get update is run again
[18:09] <wxl> -r says to be recursive
[18:09] <wxl> -v says to be verbose
[18:09] <wxl> -f says don't ask to confirm, just do it
[18:10] <wxl> so basically the command says "remove every apt index and any files within that directory without asking for my permission and make sure you tell me all about it. and oh, by the way, i have clearance to do it; ask for my password if you don't believe me"
[18:10] <wxl> ya dig?
[18:11] <jakeLubuntu> ok, thanks man. i get every word of it... so with the temp files that were deleted (and just now refreshed), they're basically what the computer thinks exists to be checked for updates?
[18:12] <wxl> yeah it's like it's first going to download these indexes of what is available to download
[18:12] <wxl> once it has that it can use that to download specific files
[18:12] <wxl> if you're doing "install <package>" it will parse them for instances of that package
[18:12] <jakeLubuntu> ok, and we just cleared what ended up being corrupted indexes... sweet!
[18:12] <wxl> or if you're doing "update" it wioll parse them based on what you have already installed
[18:12] <wxl> yep
[18:12] <jakeLubuntu> i'm a compsci major and i love this stuff. haha.
[18:13] <wxl> now i'm going to warn you that rm -rf is not a command you want to exercise lightly
[18:13] <wxl> for example don't EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER do sudo rm -rf /
[18:13] <wxl> man it gives me chills just typing it
[18:13] <wxl> that will erase your whole hard drive without asking
[18:13] <jakeLubuntu> i getcha already. any recursive deletion can be fatal to the system. that would be nice if in a different directory and rebooting a hard drive though.
[18:14] <wxl> there amy be reasons to use it, i'm just saying be careful; it's clear you grok that
[18:14] <kanliot> yeah that's bad when you put a space after the /
[18:15] <jakeLubuntu> well, sweet. i'll save hte command in case it does it a third time. did it before on an earlier install of lubuntu, and then just now after i rebooted the system (just a school netbook, so it's not the end of the world haha).
[18:16] <wxl> in general, these sorts of problems are quite rare
[18:16] <wxl> i've encountered them personally maybe once
[18:16] <wxl> and i have 3+ lubuntu machines
[18:16] <wxl> oh, 4+
[18:16] <wxl> forgot about the desktop i have hidden in the corner of the room
[18:17] <kanliot> man find lubuntu | wxl
[19:40] <Menethoril> Is there any shortage of beta testers for Lubuntu 12.10?
[19:41] <TheLordOfTime> everyone's welcome to betatest a release :p
[19:42] <kanliot> if you would like to help you are more than welcome
[19:42] <Menethoril> I realize that, but I didn't want to flood the Launchpad with my admittedly amateur bug reports if it is already being tested liberally.
[19:42] <kanliot> please join #ubuntu-testing
[19:42] <kanliot> we will preview or review your bugs
[19:43] <Menethoril> I'll do that, then.  I've got an old P4 at home I was hoping to resurrect.  Hopefully this will help both of us :)
[19:43] <kanliot> :)
[19:43] <Menethoril> Rather, all of us
[20:00] <Ascavasaion> Lubuntu runs my printer and scanner amazingly!  I richt clicked and shared the printer on the Lubuntu
[20:00] <Ascavasaion> Lubuntu runs my printer and scanner amazingly!  I richt clicked and shared the printer on the Lubuntu machine.  I was wondering how I would install it via network on this Ubuntu machine?
[20:01] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i typically set the printer to be shared, and just add a printer in the wizard... usually its pretty automatic
[20:02] <Ascavasaion> holstein: I got it to print and scan so easily... WOW.  I am so impressed with Lubuntu.  And it is quick.
[20:04] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Is it Samba, LPD/LPR, ipp, Jet Direct, Find Network Printer, Other?  I have tried them all and no luck.
[20:06] <kanliot> Ascavasaion, there's some articles on the wiki about sharing printers
[20:07] <holstein> i usually double check firewall settings
[20:07] <holstein> check and make sure i can ping the machines fom one another
[20:07] <holstein> from*
[20:07] <Ascavasaion> what ports does printing use? 9100?
[20:08] <holstein> Ascavasaion: id have to look it up, but thats why i just pull the firewalls down when im on a trusted network for troubleshooting
[20:09] <Ascavasaion> holstein: Okies.
[20:11] <kanliot> if you just installed lubuntu, you won't have a firewall
[20:11] <kanliot> nor will you need one
[20:13] <Ascavasaion> I have Firestarter.
[20:23] <Ascavasaion> Does this look correct - dnssd://Samsung%20SCX-3200%20Series%20%40%20entmoot._ipp._tcp.local/cups
[20:24] <holstein> Ascavasaion: depends.. i would just try some different sharing configurations til it works
[20:24] <Ascavasaion> that is what it autodetected.
[20:25] <holstein> Ascavasaion: wont hurt to try it
[20:25] <holstein> Ascavasaion: i find sometimes i just have to try a few different ones
[20:25] <Ascavasaion> Okay, trying ti ... just installing drivers.
[20:28] <Ascavasaion> Hmmm, it is not printing.  It is late, and I am working tomorrow... will try again another day.  Thank you so much holstein and kanliot ... Lubuntu is most impressive.
[20:28] <Ascavasaion> Night night.
[20:28] <holstein> Ascavasaion: GN.. we'll get it going when you have time :)
[20:29] <Ascavasaion> Ta, night.
[20:29] <Ascavasaion> :)
[20:45] <NotLarry> ok, since I can't find the faq:)  How much space is good for a lubuntu install (I'm going to use it for pentest and netsec learning)?
[20:47] <NotLarry> ok, found the faq:)


[02:05] <Noldorin> wgz, pqm/tarmac?
[02:05] <Noldorin> wgz, wouldn't they have to poll, whatever they are?
[16:45] <cyberkilla> Hello, quick question. I want to set up a central repository on a network share and have myself and others commit to it, but it never seems to save the files to the network share. Only the .bzr file is updated. Am I missing something here?
[16:46] <cyberkilla> Just to clarify: Repository on network share (NAS), checkout code to edit locally, and commit back to the main repository on the network share. That's what I thought was possible with bzr, but it isn't working out.
[16:46] <wilx> cyberkilla: You mean that the working copy is not updated?
[16:47] <cyberkilla> wilx, yes, the network share only has ".bzr" in the folder. It never saves anything else.
[16:47] <wilx> Well...
[16:48] <wilx> AFAIK, you should not need a working copy for the central repo.
[16:48] <cyberkilla> The tutorial on the bazaar website says to do a bzr push to get the initial code up into the repository, then bind to it, but it just creates a bzr file.
[16:49] <cyberkilla> The thing is, the source code is 1.7MB and the .bzr file is 206 bytes. I, so I don't know what it has actually achieved. :(
[16:49] <cyberkilla> wilx, I had assumed that myself. I had thought that perhaps it just kept all of the deltas in .bzr, and didn't need a working tree. The thing is, I don't think it is actually saving anything.
[16:50] <cyberkilla> wilx, thanks for responding btw. I thought it would be a quick task, but it's fighting me at every step.
[16:51] <wilx> Personally, I have not had any prolems with this...
[16:51] <wilx> bzr push has worked for me always.
[16:51] <cyberkilla> Do you push to a network share, or local drive?
[16:51] <wilx> I was pushing over Samba to a share.
[16:52] <cyberkilla> Does it only copy to .bzr, and nothing else?
[16:52] <wilx> Well, I used the --no-trees switch.
[16:53] <wilx> ...for the shared repo.
[16:53] <cyberkilla> The bzr push command's manual entry says: "The target branch will not have its working tree populated because this is both expensive, and is not supported on remote file systems."
[16:54] <cyberkilla> That suggests that it won't in fact copy the working tree (which I assume is the actual source code being versioned here)
[16:54] <cyberkilla> So I'll only get the revision history. I just can't seem to grasp the concept of this. I followed the tutorial to the letter.
[16:55] <wilx> Which tutorial exactly?
[16:56] <cyberkilla> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-guide/publishing_a_branch.html
[16:56] <cyberkilla> That's the one, I believe.
[16:56] <fullermd> The working tree is the exploded out files that you can edit and read and compile and whatnot.
[16:56] <fullermd> push just pushes the history [to remote locations].
[16:57] <wilx> cyberkilla: Well, if you have followed that then you have used --no-trees option for the repository and hence it does not have any working copy.
[16:58] <cyberkilla> fullermd, how do I commit changes to a central repository, so that others may checkout a branch, make changes, and commit back to the central repository? I'm sure it's my misunderstanding of how bzr works that is the problem, rather than bzr itself.
[16:58] <vila> . o O (Why mention http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/MatthewFuller/SpotDocs/PiecesInBrief when The main itself answers...)
[16:59] <vila> s/main/man/ damn ruining jokes tyops
[16:59] <cyberkilla> wilx, oh
[17:00] <wilx> cyberkilla: The changes, files, metadata are all packed together in the .bzr directory.
[17:00]  * fullermd points and laughs at vila.
[17:00] <cyberkilla> wilx, well, that's what I had thought, but it's not including any of the changes :(
[17:00] <wilx> cyberkilla: How have you propagated the changes to the central repo?
[17:00] <fullermd> When you push, you push all the history, which is everything needed to _make_ the WT.  Anybody branching/pulling from it gets all that.
[17:01] <wilx> Also, how have you committed them to your local branch.
[17:01] <vila> cyberkilla: .bzr is a directory not a file, if it's empty it means you've never successfully pushed to it
[17:01] <fullermd> It just doesn't split out the files on the remote side.
[17:01] <cyberkilla> wilx, bzr init && bzr add && bzr commit -m "Initial import" && bzr push ____
[17:02] <vila> cyberkilla: what does 'bzr info -v' says in the directory where you pushed ?
[17:02] <vila> !paste
[17:02] <cyberkilla> vila, it's not empty, it has files. It's just that the total size of the directory is under 300 bytes in size, but the code is at least 1.7MB of PHP and PNGs
[17:03] <vila> cyberkilla: then you never successfully pushed there
[17:03] <vila> cyberkilla: so maybe you pushed elsewhere
[17:03] <vila> cyberkilla: 'bzr info -v' should tell you where
[17:04] <cyberkilla> vila, it creates the .bzr folder when you push, because it pushes the folder, creating it on the share. This is all very strange.
[17:04] <fullermd> Did you do an init-repo around there before you pushed?
[17:05] <vila> fullermd: nice catch ;)
[17:05] <cyberkilla> fullermd, I did an init-repo in the folder that the folder being pushed was create in. e.g. R:\bzr\project and R:\bzr\project\trunk
[17:06] <vila> cyberkilla: any .bzr under  R:\bzr\project ?
[17:06] <cyberkilla> fullermd, I believe so, but I'll check...
[17:07] <cyberkilla> fullermd, Yes, there is one.
[17:07]  * fullermd takes all the credit and retires in victory.
[17:07]  * vila bows
[17:08] <cyberkilla> Is that a bad thing to do? :) I thought I was following the tutorial correctly:P
[17:08] <vila> cyberkilla: so, the current theory is that your shared repo is at R:\bzr\project and your branch is at R:\bzr\project\trunk
[17:08] <cyberkilla> vila, Yes
[17:08] <vila> this means the .bzr folder for your branch is very small and will always be
[17:09] <cyberkilla> Oh!
[17:10] <vila> the revisions are stored in the repository, the .bzr folder there contains a 'repository' folder there which doesn't exist in your branch .bzr folder
[17:11] <cyberkilla> vila, thank you for enlightening me :-)
[17:11] <vila> cyberkilla: congratulations on identifying the 3 main bzr components so early ! With these pieces in mind, you're now ready to read http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/MatthewFuller/SpotDocs/PiecesInLength)
[17:12]  * vila ducks and bows in direction of both wiki pages author
[17:13] <cyberkilla> vila, am I right in thinking that I can point to R:\bzr\project\trunk to checkout a copy of the code, or is it more complicated than that?
[17:13] <vila> cyberkilla: perfectly right
[17:14] <vila> cyberkilla: read 'bzr help branch' and 'bzr help checkout' as they may imply different workflows
[17:14] <cyberkilla> vila, excellent, I'll give it a try. Thanks again to the both of you.
[17:15] <vila> cyberkilla: if you end up using lightweight checkouts though, think twice as misunderstanding them lead to a few traps (they are fine in themselves if used as appropriate)
[17:16] <vila> cyberkilla: experimenting  with 'bzr qlog' is also great to visualize how revisions move from a branch to another
[17:17] <fullermd> Yeah, vila used lightweight checkouts once, and look what it did to his tpying.
[17:18] <cyberkilla> :)
[17:19] <cyberkilla> I have a couple of years of revision history, but I don't think it'll be too big of an overhead to checkout in full.
[17:19] <vila> fullermd: correction, I never used them as I feel I'm naked (no bragging implied, it's just too cold around there to be wearing only a leaf, a branch is required)
[17:21] <cyberkilla> Actually, earlier today I tried bzr join to try to version the parent folder. You see, I used to use a standalone tree on project/src (another project), but inside of project were project/bin project/tools and I wanted to versiont those too.
[17:21] <fullermd> Well, great.  Now I have to go bleach my mind's eye after that...
[17:23] <cyberkilla> So, I did bzr init on ./project, then bzr join src to pull it in. Seemed to work, but then everything imploded and bzr add started adding .bzr.retired files, bzr update through python errors, and I decided I'd just start from scratch :p
[17:24] <fullermd> You wouldn't do an add after a join.  Join is handwavingly like merging another branch into a subdir, so just like after a merge, you've got that as a pending change to commit.
[17:26] <cyberkilla> fullermd, I tried it after committing gave me errors about unexpected file deltas, or something similarly confusing. I had probably did it in the wrong order. I have a backup, so all is not lost.
[17:26] <cyberkilla> But for now, my problem is solved. Thanks again :)
[17:26] <fullermd> Backup?!  Pfui.  Backups are for pessimists.
[17:28] <cyberkilla> fullermd, I like to be in a position to mindlessly press buttons without there being dire consequences. :-P
[19:38] <meoblast001> hi
[19:39] <meoblast001> suppose i want to develop something outside the main branch, but i will be responsible for merging it into the main branch
[19:39] <meoblast001> do i need to maintain 2 separate trees of the project?
[20:15] <vila> meoblast001: you don't need to, but the workflow will be easier
[20:15] <meoblast001> ah, ok
[20:16] <vila> If the size is not an issue, you'd be better served by 2 working trees, and if they share their repository, the overhead is only the size of the working tree
[20:20] <meoblast001> vila: share the same repository?
[20:21] <meoblast001> ooh, if i store them in one working tree?
[20:22] <vila> no, a working tree needs a branch, a branch needs a repository
[20:22] <vila> but several branches can share the same repository
[20:22] <meoblast001> oh
[20:22] <vila> http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/MatthewFuller/SpotDocs/PiecesInBrief
[20:23] <vila> meoblast001: how big is your working tree ? ('bzr info -v' will tell you)
[20:24] <meoblast001> vila: it doesn't give it as a size
[20:24] <meoblast001> just amounts of files
[20:25] <meoblast001> would it be a good idea to have 2 branches, and 2 branches on the server... separate directories and working trees.. push my personal one to my personal branch on the server
[20:25] <vila> yup, any file browser can give you the whole size (as well as the one of the .bzr directory)
[20:25] <meoblast001> then, go to my main branch on my local machine, and merge in the remote personal directory when i'm ready
[20:25] <meoblast001> and push that up to the main remote directory
[20:25] <vila> yes
[20:26] <meoblast001> and that would be a normal way of doing things where i shouldn't expect problems?
[20:26] <meoblast001> also, 77.6 KB.. it's a small project so far
[20:51] <Noldorin> hi folks
[20:52] <Noldorin> does anyone know what the path in bzr+ssh URLs corresponds to on the fS?
[20:55] <jelmer> Noldorin: hi
[20:55] <Noldorin> hi jelmer
[20:55] <jelmer> Noldorin: whatever the remote SSH server does
[20:55] <Noldorin> jelmer, it's openssh sshd
[20:55] <Noldorin> under cygwin
[20:56] <jelmer> Noldorin: where does it end up if you ssh in manually?
[20:56] <Noldorin> jelmer, the home directory which i configured :-)
[20:57] <jelmer> Noldorin: and what is / ?
[20:57] <jelmer> Noldorin: all paths will be relative to /, and ~ is translated to the home directory
[20:58] <Noldorin> jelmer, how do i find out what / is ?
[20:59] <jelmer> Noldorin: "ls /" ?
[21:00] <Noldorin> jelmer, contains bin, dev, etc, home, lib, proc...
[21:00] <Noldorin> usr
[21:00] <Noldorin> var
[21:00] <Noldorin> tmp
[21:06] <jelmer> Noldorin: where / is depends on your server configuration, which will depend on cygwin
[21:09] <Noldorin> jelmer, c:\cygwin probably...?
[21:09] <Noldorin> jelmer, but bzr+ssh most deinfitely treats root as my home dir
[21:13] <jelmer> Noldorin: does "ssh yourhost ls /" list the contents of your home dir?
[21:13] <Noldorin> yes
[21:13] <Noldorin> err
[21:13] <Noldorin> wait a sec
[21:14] <Noldorin> jelmer, can't do that with putty
[21:19] <vila> meoblast001: sry, was afk, yes, perfectly normal
[21:19] <meoblast001> ah, ok, thanks :)
[21:19] <meoblast001> vila: i now have an interesting problem, btw
[21:20] <meoblast001> well, it's nothing you can fix, nor i :P
[21:20] <meoblast001> i use Bazaar on my personal projects, and Git at work now
[21:20] <meoblast001> and now i find myself joining #git asking how to make Git do what Bazaar does, and joining #bzr asking how to make Bazaar do what Git does
[21:20] <Noldorin> jelmer, so?
[21:24] <vila> meoblast001: as long as you find a way to address your needs, I don't see where the problem is ;)
[21:25] <meoblast001> yup :P
[21:53] <Noldorin> jelmer, brb anyway
[23:01] <jelmer> Noldorin: wb
[23:01] <Noldorin> ty jelmer
[23:01] <jelmer> Noldorin: Sorry, I have no idea of to use ssh on windows exactly
[23:02] <Noldorin> jelmer, well it's exactly lke openssh but just running in cygwin ;-)
[23:02] <Noldorin> so should be quite simple
[23:07] <Noldorin> jelmer, shouldn't bzr+ssh urls be root-based though?
[23:07] <Noldorin> as you said earlier
[23:07] <Noldorin> even that's not happening
[23:08] <Noldorin> so very weird
[23:15] <jelmer> Noldorin: bzr basically runs "ssh YOURHOST bzr serve --directory=/ --allow-writes"
[23:15] <jelmer> oh, and --inet
[23:20] <Noldorin> jelmer, what's inet?
[23:32] <Noldorin>   zzz
[23:33] <Noldorin> *thinks jelmer is on a cycle of chat 1 minute, afk 10 mins, repeat*
[23:35] <jelmer> Noldorin: inet means using stdin/stdout
[23:35] <jelmer> Noldorin: (used for inetd on POSIX)
[23:35] <Noldorin> ok
[23:35] <Noldorin> i see
[23:35] <Noldorin> jelmer, so can i change these default options maybe?
[23:36] <jelmer> Noldorin: which default options?
[23:36] <Noldorin> huh?
[23:36] <Noldorin> the bzr serve ones
[23:36] <jelmer> Noldorin: I don't see how that would help.
[23:36] <Noldorin> jelmer, changing directory maybe?
[23:36] <jelmer> Noldorin: the directory is already set to /
[23:37] <Noldorin> jelmer, yeah but i want something like /cygdrive/c/projects don't i? :-P
[23:39] <jelmer> Noldorin: does "bzr log bzr+ssh://host/cygdrive/c/projects/.../" work?
[23:39] <jelmer> Noldorin: / should already mean paths are relative to the root.
[23:39] <Noldorin> jelmer, but you're confusing the windows and cygwin roots...
[23:40] <jelmer> Noldorin: bzr+ssh paths would be relative to the cygwin root
[23:40] <Noldorin> yes that's my point
[23:40] <Noldorin> :-P
[23:40] <Noldorin> not what i want though
[23:40] <Noldorin> one sec
[23:40] <Noldorin> let me test
[23:40] <jelmer> Noldorin: Sorry, I have a hard time following what you're trying to do and what exactly doesn't work..
[23:41] <Noldorin> jelmer, that cmd (bzr log ) returns "not a branchj"
[23:42] <Noldorin> jelmer, the problem seems to be that bzr is using paths relative to the home directory *regardless* of what i give it
[23:45] <Noldorin> jelmer, and we've confirmed that a normal ssh in detects the correct route
[23:45] <Noldorin> so sounds like a bzr bug to me :-(
[23:51] <Noldorin> jelmer, some way to debug bzr maybe?


[09:24] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, if we did get netboot into testdrive it would use a heap of extra code. maybe save it for after the hangout and put it in at the same time as cloud
[09:25] <Noskcaj> woop, wrong channel
[10:40] <smartboyhw> LOL