[03:15] <studio-user293> hi... Installing Ubuntu Studio at this moment.
[03:16] <studio-user293> Done! I'll re-boot my machine.
[13:44] <skinux> WHy does clock disappear after setting it?
[14:05] <OvenWerks> which clock setting how?
[14:05] <OvenWerks> Sorry that was two questions
[14:06] <OvenWerks> which clock has gone and how did you set it?
[14:06] <OvenWerks>  I am thinking I have never set my clock.
[14:07] <OvenWerks> So long as the system is connected to network on install, and the time zone is correct, my clock is correct.
[14:18] <skinux> The panel clock
[14:18] <skinux> I set it in properties
[14:18] <skinux> Well, the clock settings dialog technically
[14:18] <OvenWerks> I must have a different clock ...
[14:18] <skinux> Oh, I keep getting error that NTP needs installed and configured. I installed it, used colmmand-line to configure it.
[14:19] <skinux> I am using default
[14:19] <OvenWerks> I _thought_ I was too.
[14:19] <skinux> How do I find out which one I'm using?
[14:20] <OvenWerks> Anyway, if you use the settings manager and set u0p the panel, you should be able to add the clock back to it.
[14:20] <OvenWerks> there is a tab called Items
[14:21] <skinux> OKay. I now have a clock
[14:21] <OvenWerks> and a button with a + in it. About the 3rd or 4th down is a clock.
[14:22] <OvenWerks> I guess you found it.
[14:23] <skinux> Oh great now all teh other indicators are in the middle of the panel
[14:23] <OvenWerks> That is probably the clock you had before as it does have a time setting in it.
[14:23] <skinux> How do I revert panel settings?
[14:23] <OvenWerks> the pannel set up has arrow buttons.
[14:24] <OvenWerks> go to the item you want to move
[14:24] <OvenWerks> then use the arrow buttons to move them up or down.
[14:25] <OvenWerks> My list from top to bottom (won't be the same as yours probably)
[14:26] <OvenWerks> is:menu, window buttons, separator, notification area, indicator, weather, separator,clock, separator,workspace switcher,separator, action buttons, cpu freq monitor.
[14:27] <OvenWerks> I think if you click on the first separator after window buttons and look at it's properties, it should have "expand" checked.
[14:28] <skinux> I figured out what I did. I had to add another panel
[14:28] <skinux> It's the part with power settings, sound, mail, and battery status that I want to move
[14:29] <OvenWerks> That should be the indicator plugin.
[14:30] <OvenWerks> used to be called ssystray
[14:30] <OvenWerks> *systray
[14:31] <skinux> Well arrow keys don't put it back
[14:31] <OvenWerks> Is there a separator before it?
[14:33] <skinux> Yes
[14:33] <skinux> Found it! I had to expand the seperator
[14:33] <OvenWerks> is that separator set to expand?
[14:38] <OvenWerks> :)
[14:40] <skinux> Yeah.
[14:40] <OvenWerks> It is one of those things I have to relearn every time I install.
[14:41] <skinux> lol
[14:41] <skinux> It's not very intuitive
[14:41] <OvenWerks> panels are something to set once and forget.
[14:41] <OvenWerks> no it's not.
[14:42] <skinux> Thanks for the help
[14:42] <OvenWerks> but from a prgaming point of view, there are not a lot of ways to do that.
[14:42] <skinux> That would have taken me a few retirements to figure out
[14:42] <OvenWerks> you are welcome
[14:43] <skinux> I use Ubuntu Studio, yet I don't use any creative tools. lol
[14:43] <skinux> I installed it so I could edit/create audio, but haven't learned any of hte software


[00:01] <barry> joshuahoover: good news and bad news.  looks like file sync'ing is working now, but notes sync seem kind of broken
[00:01] <duanedesign> aquarius: i can already imagine the possobilities. I just dropped the desktopcouch_gateway.py in the extensions folder and restarted zeitgeist. Looking at the results now :)
[00:01] <aquarius> :)
[00:01] <joshuahoover> barry: how is notes sync broken for you?
[00:02] <aquarius> remember! it is a fun hack project. Beware that there might be bugs with it :)
[00:02] <duanedesign> ;)
[00:03] <barry> joshuahoover: the one.ubuntu.com notes look correct for one machine, but the other machine is out of date with that even though "synchronize notes" appears to complete successfully
[00:07] <joshuahoover> barry: hmmm...ok, i'm about to pack up for the day...can you send a support request to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and attach logs by syncing notes on both machines following these instructions? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Bugs#Notes%20%28Tomboy%29
[00:07] <barry> joshuahoover: will do, and have a good evening
[00:07] <joshuahoover> barry: you too :)
[11:21] <ubuN3wb3> hello world#i need a bit assist cuz cant connect with my wifi stick "wg111v2"
[11:27] <freshleafmedia> honk
[11:28] <commodoor> rye, i saw the update for U1, but it it isn't working do i have to revert the changes that i made in "ubuntu-launch" ?
[11:29] <rye> commodoor, it includes that change
[11:29] <rye> freshleafmedia, hi!
[11:29] <commodoor> rye, ok my U1 still isn't connecting and a friend of mine has the same issue
[11:29] <rye> commodoor, hm, api slaves are now ok, what's the u1sdtool --status ?
[11:30] <freshleafmedia> Hi Rye. I have been told you guys might be able to help me with ubuntu single sign on intergration?
[11:30] <commodoor> Oops, an error ocurred:
[11:30] <commodoor> Traceback (most recent call last):
[11:30] <commodoor> Failure: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[11:31] <rye> commodoor, ok, could you please pastebin ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log ?
[11:31] <commodoor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/517343/
[11:32] <rye> freshleafmedia, i believe you will want to talk to beuno about the integration
[11:32] <freshleafmedia> we maintain linaro.org and have been asked to intergrate this into a forum we have running on the site.
[11:34] <freshleafmedia> rye, thanks.
[11:44] <rye> freshleafmedia, once beuno shows up I will ask him to assist you
[11:45] <freshleafmedia> rye, thanks
[11:48] <commodoor> rye, sorry i wasn't behind pc, but there isn't much in log
[11:49] <rye> commodoor, what's the latest State ?
[11:50] <commodoor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/517343/
[11:50] <commodoor> service is not running
[11:51] <rye> commodoor, is ps auxw | grep [u]buntuone-syncdaemon showing anything ?
[11:51] <duanedesign> morning al
[11:51] <duanedesign> or , all
[11:51] <duanedesign> :)
[11:51] <commodoor> rye, yes
[11:52] <commodoor> duanedesign, morning (it's evening here now :P)
[11:52] <rye> commodoor, okay, is there any records in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log ?
[11:53] <rye> *are
[11:53] <commodoor> rye, it doesn't exist
[11:53] <rye> commodoor, according to top, is ubuntuone-syncdaemon using any resources?
[11:54] <commodoor> 1000      4271  0.0  0.0   4028   752 pts/0    S+   12:54   0:00 grep --color=auto ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[11:56] <rye> commodoor, that's grep, not ubuntuone-syncdaemon
[11:57] <commodoor> when i use the grep it doesn';t show anything
[11:58] <commodoor> rye, from ps aux it doesn't give any output
[11:58] <rye> commodoor, 2010-10-21 12:30:00,680 - how old is that record in your syncdaemon.log file?
[11:58] <commodoor> it's from today, i just noticed that the log is empty
[12:01] <commodoor> rye, how can i turn debug-log on?
[12:01] <rye> commodoor, well, let's try running it all directly - /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug
[12:03] <commodoor> rye, ok
[12:04] <rye> commodoor, I am extremely curious about any exception this can print
[12:05] <commodoor> rye, 2010-10-21 13:03:54,645 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.fsm - INFO - loading updated metadata
[12:05] <rye> commodoor, and nothing else?
[12:05] <commodoor> rye, no
[12:05] <rye> commodoor, ok, is ubuntuone-syncdaemon now in the top ?
[12:06] <commodoor> oh, it's checking local files ow
[12:06] <commodoor> *now
[12:07] <commodoor> rye, ok log file is full now
[12:07] <commodoor> rye, pastebin?
[12:07] <rye> commodoor, yup
[12:07] <commodoor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/517358/
[12:12] <commodoor> rye, brb
[12:13] <rye> commodoor, whenever you come back, could you please run find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon -type d -empty | wc -l
[12:32] <commodoor> rye, im back, i'm at school so the teacher called me
[12:32] <rye> commodoor, atm syncdaemon appears to be working fine
[12:33] <commodoor> rye, U1 is connected right now
[12:33] <commodoor> rye, when i use your command i get, .... is a folder
[12:35] <rye> commodoor, "find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon -type d -empty | wc -l" ?
[12:36] <rye> commodoor, that searches for empty folders in syncdaemon directories - they are useless but take more time to startup
[12:38] <commodoor> rye, it returns -> 1713
[12:38] <commodoor> rye, does this mean 1713 empty folders?
[12:38] <rye> commodoor, wow, ok,  find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/fsm -type d -empty | wc -l
[12:39] <commodoor> rye, returns -> 436
[12:39] <rye> commodoor, yes, 1713 empty folders that get scanned on startup. They are left after a bunch of data has been removed. Metadata files were removed but parent folders stayed
[12:41] <commodoor> rye, wow so many empty folders. if i clean them would it start faster?
[12:41] <rye> commodoor, could you please re-check with fsm folders?
[12:42] <commodoor> rye, 436
[12:43] <rye> commodoor, okay, then it has 1277 in trash dirs. Ok, let's clean them up. FIrst of all, shutdown syncdaemon so that it won't be disturbed by metadata folder changes
[12:43] <commodoor> rye, done
[12:45] <rye> commodoor, ok, now the surgeon part - find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/fsm -type d -empty -delete
[12:45] <rye> commodoor, and then find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/trash -type d -empty -delete
[12:46] <rye> commodoor, afterwards please re-run  find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon -type d -empty | wc -l
[12:47] <commodoor> rye, 458 :s
[12:48] <rye> commodoor, well, ok, let's do ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon -type d -empty -delete
[12:48] <commodoor> rye, returns -> ... is a folder
[12:49] <rye> commodoor, ok, "find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon -type d -empty -delete"
[12:49] <commodoor> rye, ok it's now 0
[12:50] <rye> commodoor, ok, right now it will start fast, since most of metadata is in disk cache, but let's check whether it starts - u1sdtool --start
[12:52] <commodoor> rye, ok it says "ready to connect"
[12:52] <commodoor> rye, it was faster
[12:52] <commodoor> rye, thnx
[12:53] <rye> commodoor, i believe you have 8k files - find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon -type f | wc -l - that would still be taking more time than we would like but I've been promised startup performance will be fixed during this cycle
[12:57] <commodoor> rye, lol lost connection
[12:58] <rye> commodoor, hm, why?
[13:02] <commodoor> rye, the next command returns 16456
[13:02] <commodoor> rye, i'm on school network and it doesn't ubuntu, all my friends wth ubuntu have this issue
[13:03] <commodoor> *doesn't trust ubuntu
[13:03] <rye> commodoor, ok... i feel that .old items are also kept there, hm, let me check on this.
[13:03] <rye> commodoor, re "trust ubuntu" is that happening with Ubuntu One client only or other applications suffer network loss too?
[13:04] <commodoor> rye, i loose connection with wifi i have to reconnect with AP
[13:07] <commodoor> rye, this is the error (for wifi)> Oct 21 14:01:31 IRON wpa_supplicant[1360]: Association request to the driver failed
[13:07] <rye> commodoor, and what's the device - lspci | grep -i 'wireless'
[13:08] <commodoor> rye, returns nothing
[13:10] <rye> commodoor, well, is that a pci/pci-e card or usb?
[13:12] <commodoor> rye, ubuntu sees my wifi as eth1, it's built in broadcom
[13:14] <rye> commodoor, is it using ndiswrapper or reverse-engineered bc43 ?
[13:17] <commodoor> STA Braodcom
[13:29] <commodoor> rye, thnx for everything im off, see you again
[13:30] <rye> commodoor, okay, see you later, will ask about .old files to see how we can speed up sd once again
[13:30] <commodoor> rye, ok thnx
[13:30] <commodoor> bye all
[14:46] <Chipakeitor> rodrigo_: could you drag mandel in here?
[14:46] <beuno> I wish IRC was more like mumble
[14:47] <rodrigo_> Chipakeitor, he's gone from irc
[14:47] <rodrigo_> will do as soon as he comes back
[14:47] <Chipakeitor> bummr
[14:49] <Chipakeitor> ok. looks like i have to reboot, anyway
[14:49] <Chipakeitor> ah, joy
[14:58] <Chipakeitor> woo! it works!
[15:00] <Chipakeitor> ok, off to mumble
[15:47] <mandel> rodrigo_ ong
[15:47] <mandel> pong*
[16:30] <beuno> kklimonda_, ping
[16:30] <beuno> karni, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-files
[16:30] <karni> beuno: I saw you set up the team on lp.
[16:30] <beuno> which branch should I push up?
[16:31] <karni> beuno: just a sec
[16:31] <kklimonda_> beuno: pong
[16:32] <karni> beuno: https://launchpad.net/androidu1/0.x as stable. it's still missing the build script, I'm on it. (I used eclipse for that)
[16:32] <beuno> kklimonda_, hi!   I'm looking into your missing music files
[16:32] <beuno> I finally compiled a few cases, and I think I got it figured out
[16:32] <beuno> can you tell me one of the songs that is missing?
[16:33] <kklimonda_> beuno: Iron Maiden - Fear of The Dark (1998 Digital Remaster) from the Fear of The Dark album
[16:33] <beuno> kklimonda_, name of the file?
[16:34] <beuno> kklimonda_, thanks, I'll push uup
[16:34] <kklimonda_> beuno: Fear Of The Dark (1998 Digital Remaster).mp3
[16:34] <beuno> kklimonda_, thanks, I'll get back to you in a bit  :)
[16:58] <beuno> kklimonda_, ok, so we know what the problem is!  \o/
[16:59] <kklimonda_> beuno: great, what is the problem? :)
[16:59] <beuno> will start putting together a fix, and will ping you when things should be back to normal
[16:59] <beuno> kklimonda_, mimetypes aren't being properly stored in the server
[18:32] <beuno> kklimonda_, still around>
[18:32] <beuno> ?
[18:32] <duanedesign> hello beuno
[18:34] <beuno> hiya duanedesign
[18:35] <duanedesign> off for lunch. Everyone have a great day :)
[18:36] <beuno> duanedesign, enjoy
[18:44] <kklimonda_> beuno: yes but I'm a little busy.
[18:44] <kklimonda_> beuno: when I acess getAlbumList.view I get 500 error ;)
[18:56] <barry> joshuahoover: hi again!  would now be a good time to investigate my notes syncing issue?
[19:05] <beuno> kklimonda_, how id you copy yuor files?
[19:05] <beuno> rsync?
[19:05] <beuno> just copy and paste in nautilus?
[19:05] <kklimonda_> beuno: the fear of the dark song I've bought from U1MS
[19:06] <beuno> interesting
[19:08] <beuno> kklimonda_, oh-oh
[19:08] <beuno> yes
[19:55] <joshuahoover> barry: hi, did you send the log files? i'll have to take a look and then go from there
[19:56] <barry> joshuahoover: ah, i didn't.  remind me of the instructions page again
[19:57] <joshuahoover> barry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Bugs#Notes%20%28Tomboy%29 do that on both computers
[19:57] <barry> gotcha, thanks
[20:39] <barry> joshuahoover: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/664705
[20:39] <ubot4`> barry: Error: Bug #664705 is private.
[20:39] <joshuahoover> barry: thanks, taking a look
[20:50] <joshuahoover> barry: we're going to have to dig into this...i don't know enough about how notes sync works and am trying to get someone else to look into it so we can get to the bottom of it
[20:51] <barry> joshuahoover: cool thanks.  happy to help debug anything.  going afk for a little bit tho
[22:00] <CardinalFang> karni, hi hi.
[22:01] <karni> CardinalFang: hello CardinalFang  ^ ^
[22:01] <karni> CardinalFang: you heard the news? AndroidU1 will become Ubuntu One Files for Android, and we'll be working on it together!
[22:01] <CardinalFang> Yes!  Yay!
[22:01] <karni> CardinalFang: I'm very happy
[22:02] <karni> CardinalFang: we'll be pushing AndroidU1 as stable trunk of ubuntuone-android-files
[22:02] <CardinalFang> I'm toying with it now.   I need the oauth jar, and I don't see one online.
[22:02] <karni> CardinalFang: however I reserved ~1 month time to rewrite the app with new backend (delta/generations) and support for UDFs
[22:02] <karni> CardinalFang: right! today I was fighting ant script to build that
[22:02] <karni> CardinalFang: I used maven to fetch those
[22:03] <karni> CardinalFang: how can I give them to you?
[22:03] <karni> CardinalFang: it's so lame, I'm sorry. but I told beuno we can expect ppl hating me for that ;D (That it doesn't build)
[22:03] <CardinalFang> It's no problem.  I think I have it nearly licked.
[22:03] <karni> CardinalFang: I was using eclipse, that's why it's not so obviuos how to compile that
[22:03] <CardinalFang> defeated.
[22:03] <CardinalFang> Ah.
[22:03] <CardinalFang> I'll push up what I have.
[22:04] <karni> CardinalFang: yay!
[22:04] <beuno> kklimonda_, lp:~ubuntuone-android-hackers/ubuntuone-android-files/trunk and lp:~ubuntuone-android-hackers/ubuntuone-android-files/experimental are ready to go
[22:04] <karni> CardinalFang: awesome. how did you do that? ant or maven?
[22:04] <beuno> and yes, I can be to blame for anything gone wrong  :)
[22:04] <karni> beuno: hhehhehe
[22:04]  * karni is a happy coder, ashamed of missing build script
[22:04] <CardinalFang> karni, I'm using ant only, and I branched from  lp:ubuntuone-android-files .  I don't know if that's right.
[22:05] <karni> CardinalFang: that's perfect!
[22:05] <karni> CardinalFang: can I pull it now?
[22:05] <karni> CardinalFang: will you propose merge now or how does it work now?
[22:05] <karni> CardinalFang: beuno: ↑ I'd love to learn that
[22:06] <CardinalFang> karni, in a few seconds,  lp:~cmiller/ubuntuone-android-files/build-setup
[22:06] <karni> CardinalFang: \o/
[22:06] <CardinalFang> karni, if I have the jar file for oauth, I can add it to the project and push that.
[22:06] <karni> CardinalFang: should I mail it to you ;D ?
[22:06] <CardinalFang> karni, sure.
[22:06]  * karni bumps his head against the wall
[22:07] <CardinalFang> One day, we should write a file-sharing system.
[22:07] <karni> CardinalFang: plz send me your mail on priv
[22:07] <CardinalFang> karni<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:07] <karni> CardinalFang: that's kinda already in Ubuntu, isn't it :)
[22:07] <karni> ok, mailing
[22:07] <CardinalFang> karni, :)
[22:08] <karni> CardinalFang: btw did you check under /lib folder ?
[22:08] <karni> CardinalFang: they are in my bzr branch, so they should be there..
[22:08] <karni> o oh
[22:08] <karni> they are not
[22:08] <karni> I mean, oauth. you're right.
[22:09] <karni> I'm sorry, gimme 1"
[22:11]  * karni fires Eclipse to find the dependency
[22:14] <karni> CardinalFang: you'll need top two from http://code.google.com/p/oauth-signpost/downloads/list
[22:15] <karni> CardinalFang: that's for Ubuntu SSO related stuff. however, the protocol by default (ubuntuone-java-storageprotocol) used different OAuth jar, and I think you might need that, too
[22:15] <CardinalFang> "import net.oauth.OAuthException",  not found
[22:16] <karni> CardinalFang: yes, so I was right. you need two more, just a sec.
[22:16] <karni> CardinalFang: we can talk about why we use 4 of those, if you like. I'll happily share my thoughts.
[22:18] <karni> CardinalFang: you've got mail.
[22:18] <karni> CardinalFang: let me know if it's sufficient.
[22:22] <CardinalFang> karni, Thunderbird is wonky, and I must go.
[22:22] <karni> CardinalFang: oh
[22:22] <karni> CardinalFang: see you tomorrow then?
[22:23] <CardinalFang> I'll be here in ~14 hours
[22:23] <karni> CardinalFang: I'll poke you to ask how the build went :)
[22:23] <karni> CardinalFang: great :) same here (~16 hours)
[22:23] <karni> CardinalFang: take care :)
[22:24] <rye> Global announcement: We have an ongoing service outage that impacts File sync and Music Streaming. This is being worked on as we speak.
[22:25] <CardinalFang> karni, ah, received them and updated branch.  Now needs protobuffer jar.
[22:26] <karni> CardinalFang: oh :3 ok!
[22:27] <karni> CardinalFang: that's dependency from the protocol stuff. understood. will mail you (as I understand, you were leaving)
[22:28] <karni> CardinalFang: mailed
[22:37] <karni> CardinalFang: if you're still here - sorry, that's still not it. I used maven to build all deps, now I have to pull them from the maven repo, and that's kinda clumsy. will mail you again
[22:40] <karni> ok, done.
[22:40]  * karni is considering using maven instead of ant if it's so much simpler to get deps automatically
[23:08] <duffydack> did that iphone app ever get made?
[23:09] <beuno> it did
[23:09] <beuno> it's up on the store
[23:11] <duffydack> th
[23:11] <duffydack> thx...
[23:25] <karni> verterok: hi :) it's mkarnicki here. can I put storageprotocol as a dependency in pom.xml for maven (I'm trying to use it for AndroidU1) or I have to direct maven directly to that jar?
[23:25] <verterok> karni: hi
[23:25] <karni> verterok: :)
[23:25] <verterok> karni: no, just put the dependency in the pom
[23:25] <verterok> karni: it will not download the jar as isn't published anywhere
[23:26] <verterok> karni: but maven will pick it from your local maven repository
[23:26] <karni> verterok: I see
[23:26] <karni> verterok: if somebodys missing that file (say, they want to compile AndroidU1), what should they do then?
[23:26] <verterok> karni: in order to that ^ to happen you first need to run: 'mvn install' in the storageprotocol branch ;)
[23:26] <karni> aha!
[23:26] <karni> verterok: thanks :)
[23:26] <verterok> karni: I'm finishing the last bits of generations support
[23:27] <karni> verterok: that's great news :)
[23:27] <verterok> karni: I plan to create the project before Friday, and will read how to upload the storageprotocol to the main maven repository
[23:27] <karni> verterok: great
[23:27] <verterok> karni: once we have that, there will be no need to manually install the protocol in your local repositry :)
[23:28] <karni> verterok: that's neat :)
[23:28] <verterok> but that's the easiest way to get started ATM
[23:28] <karni> verterok: I just pulled the storageprotocol branch, and I got some errors
[23:28] <karni> such as
[23:28] <karni> /home/mike/src/android/ubuntuone-java-storageprotocol/src/main/java/com/ubuntuone/storageprotocol/request/GetDelta.java:[232,9] cannot find symbol
[23:28] <karni> symbol  : class DeltaEnd
[23:28] <karni> verterok: am I missing something?
[23:28] <karni> verterok: I did: bzr pull
[23:28] <verterok> karni: newer ubuntuone-storage-protocol :)
[23:28] <karni> verterok: ;D
[23:29] <karni> verterok: could you tell me the branch :) ?
[23:29] <verterok> karni: just use trunk, lp:ubuntuone-storage-protocol
[23:29] <karni> verterok: that is, if I got it right
[23:29] <karni> ok
[23:29] <verterok> karni: or you can use the maverick version
[23:29] <karni> verterok: any major difference?
[23:29] <verterok> karni: lp:ubuntuone-storage-protocol/stable-1-4
[23:29] <karni> verterok: thank you
[23:30] <verterok> karni: the stable-1-4 is "stable" trunk might start chaging during the cycle
[23:30] <karni> verterok: fetching it right now :)
[23:30] <verterok> karni: then point mv to that storage protocol in order to build the java stuff
[23:30] <karni> verterok: I'm happy I'm almost there with having maven to build AU1
[23:30] <verterok> karni: cool!
[23:31] <karni> verterok: so that other guys can easily compile it
[23:31] <verterok> yes,that's awesome
[23:31] <karni> verterok: thank you :)
[23:32] <karni> verterok: would you be so kind, and rescue me with last hint how to tell maven that I've got the new version of the protocol :D
[23:32] <karni> verterok: it's funny, i'm compiling au1, which depends on u1-java-sp, which depends on u1-sp
[23:32] <verterok> :)
[23:32] <karni> verterok: i guess it'll be much easier on friday ;)
[23:33] <verterok> karni: mvn compile -Dstorageprotocol=$HOME/projects/ubuntuone-storageprotocol-branch
[23:33] <karni> =) thanky ou
[23:33] <verterok> karni: it will be the same :/
[23:33] <karni> *thank you!
[23:33] <karni> verterok: hahaha ok then! I'll note that down!
[23:33] <verterok> karni: I need to learn how to upload stuff to the central maven repo :/
[23:33] <karni> verterok: you're my hero anyway, at all times
[23:33] <verterok> haha
[23:33] <verterok> :)
[23:34] <karni> :)
[23:38] <duanedesign> 'lo all
[23:39] <karni> hi duanedesign :)
[23:39] <karni> verterok: during compilation of u1-sp-stable-1-4 I got loads of errors such as
[23:39] <karni> /home/mike/src/android/target/generated-sources/com/ubuntuone/storageprotocol/DirectoryContentProtocol.java:[210,36] incompatible types
[23:39] <karni> found   : com.ubuntuone.storageprotocol.DirectoryContentProtocol.DirectoryEntry.Builder
[23:39] <karni> required: boolean
[23:39] <karni> verterok: and I remember that typecasting was sufficient to work that around
[23:40] <karni> verterok: is it my java compiler screwing up or something?
[23:40] <karni> verterok: javac 1.6.0_18
[23:40] <verterok> karni: [INFO] BUILD SUCCESSFUL
[23:41] <verterok> karni: something else is going on
[23:41] <karni> hmm
[23:41] <verterok> karni: mvn clean; then compile
[23:41] <karni> verterok: I'm on it! :)
[23:43] <karni> verterok: I'll start fresh, from scratch, and let you know.
[23:43] <verterok> karni: same error?
[23:44] <karni> verterok: maybe I've got some garbled data, old cache, etc. it didn't want to clean, complained about pom.xml missing although its there. let me try from scratch.
[23:44] <karni> verterok: first I do: bzr branch lp:ubuntuone-storage-protocol/stable-1-4 u1-sp right?
[23:44] <verterok> yes
[23:44] <karni> ok, doing that
[23:45] <verterok> karni: then, cd /path/to/java-storageprotocol
[23:45] <karni> i'll pull that now, too
[23:45] <karni> so it's: bzr branch lp:~verterok/+junk/ubuntuone-java-storageprotocol u1-java-sp
[23:45] <karni> got it
[23:45] <karni> cd into u1-java-sp
[23:46] <karni> verterok: now: mvn compile -Dstorageprotocol=$HOME/properpath/u1-sp
[23:46] <karni> verterok: right?
[23:46] <karni> verterok: \o/ !!
[23:47] <verterok> yes
[23:47] <karni> you're my savior (spelled correctly ;d ?)
[23:48] <karni> now that i've got u1-java-sp compiled, i pull androidu1
[23:49] <karni> now I paste my lovely, brand new pom.xml into androidu1 branch folder
[23:56] <karni> verterok: I have compiled and packaged u1-java-sp. how to tell pom.xml from androidu1 to include storageprotocol-1.1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar as dependency?
[23:57] <karni> verterok: I know it must be terribly easy for you, sorry for asking that question.
[23:57] <verterok> karni: can you pastebin the pom?
[23:58] <karni> verterok: I will. paste.ubuntu complains o_O just a sec


[09:36] <cetex> a quick question.. i need to run something after another task has finished completely, the task is "udevtrigger" and it has a "post-stop exec udevadm settle
[09:36] <cetex> currently i'm doing "start on stopped udevtrigger" in another  but it seems it's run too early, how do i make sure it's not run until the post-stop has completed?
[09:37] <cetex> *in another upstart-script*
[09:39] <cetex> Or, if anyone have an idea how i can trigger on when udev has settled i'd be happy..
[10:40] <afournier> hi
[10:41] <afournier> can i know in pre-script if a job is started by the user with the start command or with the "start on" stanza ?
[10:44] <afournier> yay UPSTART_EVENTS !
[17:28] <cetex> hm, another issue.
[17:29] <cetex> how do i (in a script) do something like: "mkdir -p /something/somethingelse" and not have it fail?, i've tried "mkdir .. .. || true", but it doesn't seem to work.


[00:50] <amurray> ddstreet mapreri: thanks for the pings re discussing the backports charter - apologies, I was asleep (that was 2am my local time) - will follow-up on the mailing list
[02:36] <teward> *pokes amurray just to be annoying* :P
[02:36]  * arraybolt3 throws an entire bucket of razor-sharp straws at teward
[02:37] <teward> oh good i'm now bleeding pure chaos liquid.  enjoy cleaning that up.  *says this as the chaos coalesces and creates a massive black hole that just sucks everything in around himself, including arraybolt3*
[02:37] <arraybolt3> AAAAAaaaaaaaa......        <squish>
[02:38]  * arraybolt3 goes back to writing an answer on AskUbuntu
[02:46] <amurray> hey teward - apologies if you felt left out ☺
[02:47] <teward> amurray: lol, nah, just being annoying :)
[02:47] <teward> it's easy to forget I'm on the backports team ;)
[02:47] <teward> I just wear *so* many hats... xD
[02:47] <amurray> indeed - I don't know where you find the time to be honest
[02:48] <teward> indeed.  a lot of times there's a lot of stuff that doesn't need any special action so I mean :P
[02:48] <sarnold> *so* much coffee
[02:48] <teward> ^^ that
[02:48] <teward> and sometimes liquor straight from the bottle
[02:48] <sarnold> yes yes, software developer
[02:48] <teward> but usually coffee
[02:49] <teward> sarnold: oh you're going to love the evil that's coming your way
[02:50] <sarnold> nooooooooo
[02:51] <arraybolt3> Rumor has it teward drinks a quantity of coffee sufficient to power New York City.
[02:52] <teward> *gives sarnold the briefing of the evil coming to Security review next cycle*
[02:54] <teward> sarnold is already screaming, I can hear it from here xD
[02:54] <teward> arraybolt3: the entire state of Pennsylvania actually
[02:54]  * sarnold nods
[15:59] <juliank> o/
[16:00] <bdrung> \o
[16:00] <schopin> o/
[16:00] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:00:47 UTC.  The chair is juliank.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[16:00] <waveform> \o
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[16:00] <zhsj> o/
[16:01] <liushuyu> o/
[16:01] <juliank> The weekly status is here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-02-march-2023/34287
[16:01] <ginggs> o/
[16:01] <slyon> o/
[16:01] <juliank> I forgot I had a meeting the past 30 minutes so mine isn't yet :(
[16:02]  * bdmurray just posted his
[16:02] <dviererbe> Hello o/
[16:02] <ogayot> o/
[16:03]  * juliank has posted
[16:04] <vorlon> hmm jawn-smith not here to ask about libarchive "very stuck"
[16:04] <schopin> vorlon: I picked it up
[16:05] <schopin> should be unstuck once reprepro is published (and triggered correctly)
[16:06] <vorlon> ok
[16:08] <dbungert> audio troubles, brb
[16:09] <liushuyu> do we have any proposed migrations to hand out this week?
[16:09] <juliank> later later
[16:10] <juliank> but I take it we're all done reading now
[16:10] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:10] <juliank> #link https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:10] <juliank> bug 2008279
[16:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2008279 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "glib2.0 2.75.3-3 breaks text input for Firefox & Chromium snaps" [High, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008279
[16:10] <juliank> seems to be with desktop?
[16:11] <juliank> I left a comment asking
[16:11] <juliank> bug 2008789
[16:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2008789 in inetutils (Ubuntu) "[MIR] inetutils" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2008789
[16:12] <juliank> there's a jira issue for this
[16:13] <juliank> I'm gonna remove the tag because it has an issue to track it internally
[16:15] <juliank> rls-kk is empty
[16:15] <juliank> rls-jj has bug 1999345 only which is unchanged status (still w/ security)
[16:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1999345 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "please add luks2 module to the signed grub2 images" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1999345
[16:16] <juliank> #topic proposed-migration
[16:16] <juliank> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:17] <juliank> libarchive I understand is going soon
[16:17] <bdrung> I'll take tzdata (since I caused it and know exactly what to do)
[16:17] <vorlon> schopin: you said libarchive should pass with a retry once "reprepro is published" which it appears to be, so I guess this is in flight and you'll resolve it soon?
[16:18] <schopin> vorlon: yes.
[16:18] <juliank> licensecheck has bug 2003083 as excuse
[16:18] <waveform> sbuild's still with me
[16:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2003083 in licensecheck (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libstring-license-perl" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2003083
[16:18] <vorlon> licensecheck has MIRs that were rejected
[16:18] <vorlon> I don't remember who was working on that one, liushuyu ?
[16:18] <vorlon> no, that was devscripts
[16:19] <vorlon> so I'm not sure MIRs were rejected for licensecheck at all, sorry
[16:19] <liushuyu> I was working on libdigest-md5-file-perl and libswitch-perl for devscripts
[16:19] <juliank> was adrien working on this?
[16:19] <vorlon> yes, adrien did the MIR in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libstring-license-perl/+bug/2003083 so this is in progress/blocked by MIR team
[16:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2003083 in licensecheck (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libstring-license-perl" [Undecided, New]
[16:20] <vorlon> sbuild: waveform: are you ok to continue on this one?
[16:20] <waveform> yes
[16:21] <vorlon> schopin: are you still following glibc?
[16:21] <vorlon> also dammit I just now realized I put my weekly status update in the old discourse post *again* because the link to the old post in the content is more obvious in the emails than the link to the current post
[16:21] <schopin> vorlon: yes. I have lilypond, aad-auth and python2.7 that are new failures.
[16:22] <schopin> The rest can be ignored for various reasons.
[16:23] <vorlon> I see python2.7 blocking, that's an oops from me, there was a badtest hint that I dropped prematurely
[16:23] <schopin> great, one down two to go.
[16:24] <vorlon> devscripts: *this* is the one with the rejected MIRs
[16:24] <vorlon> so it's assigned, but depends on upstream Debian discussions and isn't critical for lunar
[16:24] <bdrung> I volunteer for reviewing merge request for devscripts in Debian, but someone else should provide the patches
[16:24] <vorlon> libio-socket-ssl-perl: adrien: can you take this?
[16:24] <liushuyu> I can work on devscripts, I have the patches ready
[16:25] <vorlon> liushuyu: ack thanks
[16:25] <vorlon> tcl8.6: just needs hinted around a blacklisted autopkgtest, I'll take this
[16:25] <liushuyu> ... however I don't have an account on Debian Salsa instance
[16:25] <juliank> make one :)
[16:25] <liushuyu> I can't open an MR on it
[16:25] <vorlon> boost1.74: bdmurray: can you work on this?
[16:25] <vorlon> liushuyu: it's an awkward signup process but you should get one
[16:25] <bdrung> liushuyu, poke me once you have the MR submitted
[16:26] <vorlon> lsb: dbungert?
[16:26] <bdmurray> vorlon: I'm heading out on holiday tomorrow until the 10th-ish
[16:26] <slyon> liushuyu: otherwise you could also create a merge-proposal on launchpad against devscripts
[16:26] <vorlon> bdmurray: ack
[16:26] <dbungert> lsb is in progress, much of it is complete with retests, dpdk has a test in the queue
[16:26] <slyon> so we can at least land the fixes in Ubuntu. Going through Debian/upstream would be better, though
[16:26] <zhsj> liushuyu: just poke admin on #salsa @ oftc
[16:26] <dbungert> cyrus-impad test look like nonsense, I was condering badtest
[16:26] <enr0n> vorlon: I had libio-socket-ssl-perl last week. Just waiting on test retries.
[16:27] <vorlon> ok
[16:27] <liushuyu> juliank: The new accont creation is restricted currently. I haven't get my account approved yet
[16:27] <dbungert> danilogondolfo: did you look at lsb vs pcs or lsb vs rspamd?
[16:27] <vorlon> adrien: can you take boost1.74 then?
[16:28] <adrien> I can look at that
[16:28] <adrien> that scares me :D
[16:28] <danilogondolfo> dbungert, I did, they pass locally. I saw they were retried and failed again. I need to understand why...
[16:28] <vorlon> there's very little left to chase on boost1.74, I did most of it this week already
[16:28] <vorlon> so waveform had lsb-release-minimal but now we have lsb
[16:29] <schopin> lsb was with danilogondolfo
[16:29] <vorlon> ok
[16:29] <vorlon> cd-boot-images is blocked by kernels
[16:29] <juliank> I think it's ready I'm confirming with xnox
[16:30] <dbungert> lsb was split between danilogondolfo and myself
[16:30] <vorlon> numpy: dbungert can you take this one?
[16:30] <juliank> (we released shim already)
[16:30] <dbungert> vorlon: ack for numpy
[16:30] <vorlon> glibc blocking audit, might just need a retry
[16:30] <vorlon> audit: ginggs?
[16:31] <ginggs> sure
[16:31] <vorlon> lintian: dviererbe?
[16:31] <vorlon> simplejson: xypron?
[16:31] <xypron> ok
[16:31] <liushuyu> zhsj: will do
[16:31] <dviererbe> ok
[16:31] <vorlon> libsereal-decoder-perl: juliank?
[16:31] <liushuyu> bdrung: understood
[16:32] <juliank> ack
[16:32] <vorlon> sphinx/librsvg: slyon?
[16:32] <slyon> ok
[16:32] <vorlon> python3.11: enr0n?
[16:32] <enr0n> vorlon: ack
[16:32] <vorlon> xz-utils: ogayot?
[16:33] <vorlon> libzstd: liushuyu?
[16:33] <ogayot> vorlon: ack, I might no be able to get to it before next meeting since I'm off next week though
[16:33] <vorlon> publicsuffix: I'll take this
[16:33] <vorlon> ogayot: ok
[16:33] <liushuyu> vorlon: I can take libzstd
[16:33] <vorlon> liushuyu: thanks
[16:33] <vorlon> who's not here that should take some
[16:33] <vorlon> binutils: mwhudson
[16:33] <vorlon> kmod: vpa1977
[16:34] <vorlon> python3-stdlib-extensions: zhsj
[16:34] <zhsj> i merged kmod, so maybe me..
[16:34] <vorlon> oh
[16:34] <vorlon> yes, please take kmod and ignore python3-stdlib-extensions
[16:34] <vorlon> juliank: back to you
[16:34] <schopin> should vpa1977 take the latter one then?
[16:35] <vorlon> yes
[16:35] <juliank> #topic AOB
[16:35] <juliank> I added a task for mclemenceau to document how to optimally discover proposed-migration items in the jira workflow
[16:35] <bdmurray> I'm going on holiday until what is effectively the 13th starting tomorrow
[16:36] <slyon> I'm out tomorrow & monday
[16:36] <schopin> I'm out on Monday.
[16:36] <adrien> I'm out on tomorrow
[16:36] <juliank> Debian hard freeze is next week (the 12th), if you have stuff to upstream hurry up (and only small targeted fixes).
[16:36] <bdrung> I'll be off tomorrow and there is a local public holiday next Wednesday
[16:36] <mclemenceau> juliank: Ack ;)
[16:37] <zhsj> juliank: it's today, 10days migration :)
[16:37] <enr0n> I have a local public holiday next Tuesday
[16:37] <dbungert> what do we think about badtesting cyrus-imapd?  It looks like it has been in a bad state for some time, and I'm unsure why we un-badtested it.
[16:37] <juliank> hmm
[16:38] <vorlon> dbungert: it hasn't had a badtest hint since Apr 2022 and then only on ppc64el
[16:38] <vorlon> if it's flaky, a baseline retest (retry-autopkgtest-regressions --no-proposed) is likely better than a badtest
[16:38] <zhsj> it's timed out?
[16:39] <zhsj> maybe big package?
[16:39] <vorlon> sometimes it takes a half hour, sometimes it takes 3 hours
[16:40] <vorlon> that seems worth investigating before we throw it into long_tests
[16:42] <juliank> #endmeeting
[16:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:42:43 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-03-02-16.00.moin.txt
[16:42] <vorlon> juliank: thanks!
[16:53] <cpaelzer> dbungert: I uploaded a fix for the DPDK tests which fail on one of our clouds as the chips are different
[16:54] <cpaelzer> dbungert: I'll retrigger lsb (and others) once ready (probably tomorrow morning)
[16:55] <dbungert> cpaelzer: nice, thanks.  dpdk test is running now on arm64, perhaps it will pass there
[16:55] <cpaelzer> if it runs on bos01 it will always work and on bos02 it will always fail
[16:55] <cpaelzer> with the fix it will work or skip
[16:55] <cpaelzer> after checking with paride and bdmurray that there is no way to express to only be able to run on either
[19:46] <diddledani> #ubuntu-rmb
[19:47] <diddledani> oops
[19:47] <Bashing-om> diddledani: :)
[19:56] <Bashing-om> Guest539: Bad config still, Wildman ??
[19:57] <Guest539> Hi this is Wild Man, I do not know but it seems so
[19:58] <diddledani> Hi Guest539
[19:58] <Guest539> hi diddledani
[20:00] <Bashing-om> Guest539: Have you registeed your username 'Wildman'on the network ?
[20:01] <Kilos> hi guys
[20:01] <Guest539> Yes, it was working again so i do not know what happened but I do not have time to worry about it right now
[20:02] <diddledani> we're still waiting on the candidate
[20:12] <diddledani> I'll give them till quarter past and then let you all go if they're not here by then
[20:12] <Kilos> oh my, not often an applicant is late
[20:13] <Guest539> They may have the time wrong it happens
[20:13] <Kilos> any contact info on him?
[20:13] <diddledani> yeah, might be worth it if you all can to pop back at the 22:00 meeting time in case they got the wrong entry for today
[20:14] <diddledani> There's no public email on their LP page, but we can use the "contact" feature on there
[20:14] <Bashing-om> ^ Looking on the agenda page and the meeting date has been changed for Efstathios Iosifidis (??) .
[20:15] <Kilos> i just mailed him
[20:15] <diddledani> I mentioned that in my email last night - the date on that page is *not* their chosen meeting date - that is the date they added their entry
[20:15] <Kilos> oh my
[20:16] <diddledani> So, Feb 10th is after the previous Thursday meeting for February, therefore they are scheduled for today
[20:16] <diddledani> It doesn't help that the heading bar isn't showing due to some changes in the wiki
[20:16] <Kilos> I thought today as well
[20:17] <Kilos> what is involved to get every thing back to the old way
[20:17] <diddledani> with highlight (sorry about accessibility issues for poor eyesight) you can see the heading bar is supposed to indicate "date added" to the list: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/y4h0Hzzg/image.png
[20:17] <Kilos> like launchpad and wiki instead of concours
[20:18] <Bashing-om> Kilos: I can try and revert to the old version of the WIKI. I looked at this earlier and I do think that I can do that,
[20:18] <Kilos> that will be great Bashing-om
[20:18] <diddledani> I think the issue is the wiki version was changed which broke styles across the whole wiki
[20:18] <diddledani> i.e. not just our pages, but everywhere
[20:19] <Kilos> and applicants must be pointed to launchpad not concourse
[20:19] <diddledani> the top bar is broken styling too: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gOYmhVWD/image.png
[20:20] <Kilos> I cant find madhen, emails dont deliver either
[20:21] <diddledani> she left Canonical
[20:21] <Kilos> so why ubuntu as well?
[20:21] <Kilos> grrr
[20:22] <Kilos> diddledani  can you remember the guy who helped her with concourse
[20:23] <diddledani> no, I don't know who that was
[20:26] <Kilos> Who owns the concourse  thing? maybe he/she can point it to our fridge calender
[20:26] <Kilos> the membership application that is
[20:27] <Kilos> genii  hi there, long time no hear
[20:27] <Bashing-om> iosifidis: is here :) Is there time now to process the application ?
[20:28] <iosifidis> Hello. Did I miss the meeting?
[20:28] <iosifidis> Yes yes
[20:28] <Kilos> hi io
[20:28] <Kilos> iosifidis  welcome
[20:28] <iosifidis> Hello to everone
[20:28] <Kilos> lets go diddledani
[20:29] <diddledani> maybe Mauro Gaspari can point the way for whoever was involved with discourse
[20:29] <diddledani> https://launchpad.net/~ilvipero
[20:30] <diddledani> ok, I'm just about to start the meeting
[20:30] <diddledani> #startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board
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[20:31] <diddledani> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for 2nd March 2023. The wiki page for the Review Boards is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[20:31] <diddledani> We will attempt to get through all the applicants that have added themselves to that list, or posted a thread to the Ubuntu Discourse, before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the complete list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[20:31] <diddledani> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[20:31] <diddledani> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page or Ubuntu Discourse thread. After the introduction, the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[20:31] <diddledani> During this time, it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[20:31] <diddledani> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If most of the voting board members vote +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (Feel free congratulate them!)
[20:31] <diddledani> Now, with any further ado, let's get started with the first applicant...
[20:31] <diddledani> only one candidate today: Efstathios Iosifidis
[20:32] <iosifidis> Hello.
[20:32] <diddledani> @iosifidis could you introduce yourself to the board and share your links to your discourse or wiki post and your launchpad page (if you have a prepared statement, please deliver it)
[20:32]  * genii slides Kilos a surprise coffee and then runs back to work again
[20:32] <nicoz> :) o/*
[20:32] <iosifidis> My name is Stathis. My day job is Veterinarian. I decided to make a career change and now I am a 3rd-year student of applied informatics at the university of Macedonia. My first involvement with open source started with Shipt. My first version was 7.04 but my favorite was Hardy Heron 8.04. Since then I got involved with many events, either
[20:32] <iosifidis> organized by me or as a guest speaker at conferences. I got involved in GNOME community. Greek community hosted GUADEC 2019 in my city.
[20:33]  * Kilos smlies and sips, ty so much
[20:33] <iosifidis> I am a very active member of the Loco team. My late involvement with Ubuntu is a promotion at my university to the open source team. I am hosting release parties. I will organize presentations involving Ubuntu technologies. We are planning to create a script and/or an ISO with the software we are using at the university. That is a future project. I
[20:33] <iosifidis> have been to Ubuntu Summit 2022 and I was amazed by the community. I have been to many conferences in the past. I have to say that Summit was the best conference I have been to.
[20:33] <iosifidis> My university is going to host KDE Akademy (KDE's conference). I am on the organizing committee and I am promoting it to the rest of the academic community.
[20:33] <iosifidis> My university promotes startups, and spinoffs and I am planning to create something using Ubuntu technologies. I am still forming the idea that solves a problem.
[20:33] <iosifidis> My Discourse application is https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/efstathios-iosifidis-membership-application/33695
[20:33] <iosifidis> My wiki is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iosifidis
[20:34] <iosifidis> And Launchpad is https://launchpad.net/~iosifidis
[20:35] <iosifidis> I am here if you need to clarify anything.
[20:35] <diddledani> thank you. I'll give the board a few moments to have a read through your links and then will open the floor to any questions they may have (and I'll get a glass of water while they do that :-) )
[20:35] <iosifidis> Thanks
[20:37] <diddledani> ok, let's open the floor to questions - first one from me: you've signed the code of conduct. did you understand everything in the code and do you agree to abide by its rules for the duration of your membership should you be successful today?
[20:37] <iosifidis> Yes. Of course.
[20:38] <diddledani> awesome
[20:38] <iosifidis> Every conference I organize, I always look code of conduct
[20:38] <Kilos> great
[20:40] <Bashing-om> Eminently qualified with good testimonial of service - I have no questions.
[20:41] <diddledani> ok, anyone else have any questions? I'm happy to move onto the vote if we're all set?
[20:41] <Kilos> no questions guys, he has been working for a long time for us
[20:41] <diddledani> awesome, let's do the vote then - wait till I've marked who the expected voters are with the bot...
[20:42] <diddledani> #vote Efstathios Iosifidis' application for ubuntu membership
[20:42] <meetingology> Please vote on: Efstathios Iosifidis' application for ubuntu membership
[20:42] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[20:42] <diddledani> #voters kilos, Bashing-om, diddledani
[20:42] <meetingology> Current voters: Bashing-om, diddledani, kilos
[20:42] <Bashing-om> +1
[20:42] <meetingology> +1 received from Bashing-om
[20:42] <Kilos> +1 keep up the good work
[20:42] <Kilos> grrrr
[20:42] <Kilos> +1
[20:43] <Kilos> the bot hates me
[20:43] <diddledani> +1 from me, too, this is a thorough application and has goot testimonials
[20:43] <meetingology> +1 from me, too, this is a thorough application and has goot testimonials received from diddledani
[20:43] <diddledani> oh that's my fault, Kilos
[20:43] <diddledani> #voters Kilos, Bashing-om, diddledani
[20:43] <meetingology> Current voters: Bashing-om, Kilos, diddledani, kilos
[20:43] <Kilos> lol
[20:43] <diddledani> try now
[20:43] <Kilos> +1 keep up the good work
[20:43] <meetingology> +1 keep up the good work received from Kilos
[20:43] <Kilos> woohoooo
[20:43] <diddledani> silly case-sensitive bot
[20:44] <diddledani> we also have a +1 by proxy
[20:44] <iosifidis> Thank you all.
[20:44] <nicoz> congratulations iosifidis
[20:44] <diddledani> #endvote
[20:44] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Efstathios Iosifidis' application for ubuntu membership
[20:44] <meetingology> Votes for: 3, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[20:44] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:44] <diddledani> Congratulations
[20:44] <Kilos> iosifidis  congrats and welcome to the team
[20:44] <iosifidis> Thank you.
[20:45] <diddledani> iosifidis: before you go, I'd like to share some info about the perks
[20:45] <iosifidis> OK. I would also like to ask for next steps.
[20:45] <Bashing-om> iosifidis: \o/ !
[20:46] <diddledani> I'll be adding you to the ~ubuntumembers group on LP, after which time your  @ubuntu.com email address should be activated between 48-72 hours. Do *not* set this as your LaunchPad primary email address as that will cause an infinite loop in the forwarding service
[20:47] <diddledani> Also, once I've added you to ~ubuntumembers you'll be able to claim your certificate of membership signed by Mark Shuttleworth at https://forms.canonical.com/certificate/. You can see the other perks at https://ubuntu.com/community/membership/perks.
[20:48] <iosifidis> Perfect
[20:48] <diddledani> Could I ask you to send me an email address that will get to you but must be acceptable for you to be publicly visible in the mailing list archives for the announcement of your successful application. Also could you let me know your pronouns (e.g. mine are She/Her). DM is fine for these.
[20:50] <diddledani> With that I'll end the meeting, thank you everyone for coming along, and congratulations again, iosifidis!
[20:50] <Kilos> thanks for chairing agin diddledani
[20:50] <iosifidis> Thank you all for your support.
[20:51] <diddledani> my pleasure, Kilos , and it's the whole board's pleasure, iosifidis <3
[20:51] <diddledani> #endmeeting
[20:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 20:51:31 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-03-02-20.30.moin.txt
[20:52] <iosifidis> Bye for now.


[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <dholbach> hola dpm
[08:19] <dpm> hola dholbach!
[08:20] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:49] <nigelbabu> morning dholbach, dpm :)
[08:51] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[09:18] <dpm> heya nigelb :)
[09:20] <dholbach> hi bobbo
[09:20] <bobbo> hey dholbach :)
[09:24] <dholbach> hola randa_
[09:26] <randa_> hi dholbach
[09:56] <dpm> hi randa_
[09:56] <dpm> hey bobbo
[09:56] <bobbo> hey dpm :)
[09:56] <randa_> hi dpm
[10:55] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[10:58] <nigelbabu> aloha czajkowski :)
[11:12] <dholbach> dpm: the translated LoCoCouncil page looks good to me :)
[11:12] <dholbach> dpm: I'll ask everybody to review the daily builds stuff again, then we can maybe see who's interested in translating it
[11:13] <czajkowski> aye the loco council page does
[11:13] <czajkowski> and it's good to see councils translating their pages especially as the community is so large
[11:21] <dpm> dholbach, ah, cool
[12:15] <bobbo> dholbach, ping
[12:16] <dholbach> bobbo: pong
[12:17] <bobbo> hey dholbach, I've written and attached a patch for edit-patch. mvo is sponsoring it right now
[12:17] <dholbach> bobbo: HOLY COW
[12:17] <dholbach> bobbo: that's awesome
[12:17] <dholbach> bobbo: did you test it with a couple of different patch systems?
[12:17] <bobbo> yeah, did at least 2 for each tons for quilt, seems everyone's using it nowadays)
[12:18] <dholbach> that's fantastic
[12:18] <dholbach> bobbo: you could have uploaded it yourself! :)
[12:18] <dholbach> bobbo: but it's a good idea to have mvo have a look over it
[12:19] <bobbo> I thought you had to be core-dev to upload u-d-t?
[12:19] <dholbach> it's in universe
[12:19] <dholbach> apt-cache showsrc ubuntu-dev-tools
[12:19] <dholbach> bobbo: man this is amazing
[12:19] <dholbach> nigelbabu: ^
[12:19] <dholbach> great work :D
[12:19] <bobbo> thanks :D
[12:19] <dholbach> there might be others interested in this
[12:20] <nigelbabu> WOW
[12:20] <nigelbabu> dholbach: can we have 10 of bobbo? ;)
[12:24] <bobbo> dholbach, what would you like me to do now?
[12:25] <dholbach> bobbo: I was just thinking: maybe it'd be good to test-drive the process a bit and see if any kind of problems come up - like: have a look at a couple of bugs and have a think if it's obvious for somebody new having the docs that we have
[12:25] <dholbach> bobbo: do you think that makes sense?
[12:26] <bobbo> dholbach, sure, that sounds pretty good
[12:26] <dholbach> awesome
[12:26]  * dholbach hugs bobbo
[12:27]  * bobbo hugs dholbach back
[14:41]  * popey needs a jono
[14:48] <czajkowski> likewise
[14:52] <akgraner> popey, where does one buy a "jono" that you speak of?
[14:53] <popey> poundland
[14:56] <akgraner> hehe
[15:04] <highvoltage> heh
[15:14] <jcastro> dholbach: ping
[15:15] <dholbach> jcastro: pong
[15:15] <jcastro> dholbach: I don't think red is a good color for your graph
[15:16] <jcastro> green is more inspiring!
[15:16] <popey> aubergine!
[15:16] <popey> oh
[15:16] <dholbach> if you can give me the RGB values, I'll change it
[15:16] <popey> 0000ff :)
[15:16] <popey> oh, hang on
[15:16] <dholbach> I think it's 200, 0, 0 in the script now
[15:17] <dholbach> or 255,0,0
[15:17] <dholbach> because I was too lazy to look something up
[15:17] <popey> A woman came in the office last week, a few people commented on her rather nice new chunky shoes. I looked and said (in a rather too loud and alarmed fashion) "Aubergine!" (for they were that colour) and mentioned that it was a very 'in' colour. She seemed surprised that I'd know this :D
[15:17] <popey> blagging :)
[15:18] <dholbach> :-)
[15:20] <jcastro> dholbach: I have some import questions
[15:21] <jcastro> remember that we need to have the upstream imported into lp to do the dailies right?
[15:21] <dholbach> jcastro: yes
[15:21] <jcastro> so I went to go make sure shotwell was imported
[15:21] <dholbach> jcastro: code and packaging need to be in LP
[15:21] <jcastro> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/shotwell
[15:21] <jcastro> yeah, so, I imported it, but it's under ~jorge
[15:21] <jcastro> did we set up a team or something?
[15:22] <dholbach> ~jorge should be fine
[15:22] <dholbach> you can set up a team if it's what the shotwell guys will be using
[15:23] <jcastro> oh I see what you mean
[15:23] <jcastro> so I think I should set up a team for each upstream then
[15:23] <jcastro> that way I can hand it over
[15:23] <dholbach> basically it's an ACL thing
[15:23]  * jcastro nods
[15:24] <dholbach> but which branch it's built from doesn't matter
[15:25] <jcastro> ok also
[15:25] <jcastro> on your getting started page
[15:25] <jcastro> I am confused already
[15:26] <jcastro> for "Writing it"
[15:26] <dholbach> that's good - finally somebody reviews it ;-)
[15:26] <jcastro> shouldn't we just show the trunk and the packaging bits?
[15:26] <jcastro> and save the merging of fixes and all that junk until later?
[15:26] <dholbach> what do you mean?
[15:26] <jcastro> basically, get it set up first
[15:27] <jcastro> then go into "let's say james fixes it and proposes a branch and you want to test it, this is how you add it to your recipe"
[15:27] <dholbach> which merging of fixes?
[15:27] <jcastro> because the initial recipe should be like 2 lines right?
[15:27] <dholbach> oh
[15:27] <dholbach> sorry
[15:27] <dholbach> yes
[15:27] <dholbach> I talked to james_w
[15:27] <dholbach> and he wants to give ma plethora of recipes
[15:27] <jcastro> merge fix-build lp:~bzr/bzr/fix-build
[15:27] <dholbach> I just copied the only example I had
[15:27] <jcastro> I think the recipes are fine
[15:27] <jcastro> we should just split it
[15:27] <dholbach> yes
[15:27] <jcastro> the first section should be like "how to get your daily started"
[15:27] <dholbach> that was the idea
[15:27] <jcastro> and 2 lines
[15:28] <dholbach> sometimes you'll need a more complicated recipe to get you going
[15:28] <jcastro> and then at the bottom say "ok, now that you've got all that set up, here's some james crack.
[15:28] <dholbach> but we can add<PHONE_NUMBER>946 of them on a separate page
[15:28] <dholbach> and link to it
[15:28] <dholbach> totally agree
[15:28] <jcastro> are you sure? I've only ever needed like 2 lines
[15:28] <jcastro> but then again, I don't build anything complicated
[15:28] <dholbach> if you need to merge something from some other place or weirdos like the desktop team just store debian/ in a separate branch and you need to use that
[15:28] <dholbach> ...
[15:29] <dholbach> the recipe gets a bit longer :)
[15:30]  * popey fires a mail off to the ubuntu-users list again
[15:30] <dholbach> I think we can just say someting like: here's the standard recipe that will work for you in a lot of cases, you can also tell the build recipe to merge from some other branch or you can nest a directory in there, or do XYZ, for more examples see LINK
[15:30] <dholbach> jcastro: ^
[15:30] <jcastro> yeah!
[15:30] <dholbach> jcastro: once I get the stuff from james_w, I'll make it so
[15:30] <jcastro> ok
[15:30] <jcastro> ok so, I see some bits on edge
[15:30] <jcastro> should I go ahead and try using these instructions for real?
[15:31] <dholbach> jcastro: try it, but I think some stuff is broken there
[15:31] <dholbach> jcastro: abentley would know
[15:31] <jcastro> ok
[15:36] <jcastro> dholbach: man, we are screwed on work items
[15:37] <jcastro> dholbach: theoretically, I should be able to merge the ubuntu bzr packaging for something, mush it in with the upstream trunk, and be good right?
[15:42] <jcastro> dholbach: mind if I add stuff to DailyBuilds?
[15:42] <dholbach> jcastro: yes
[15:42] <dholbach> jcastro: please do it - totally
[15:42] <dholbach> jcastro: I never wanted it to be "my page"
[15:42] <dholbach> :)
[15:49] <jcastro> dholbach: what do you think about those revisions?
[15:49] <jcastro> I wanted more bullety points
[15:50] <jcastro> so like an upstream can see a list of awesome things
[15:50] <jcastro> I came up with some bad ones too
[15:52] <dholbach> jcastro: which?
[15:52] <dholbach> ah on the main page
[15:52] <jcastro> "Why Daily Builds"
[15:52] <jcastro> yeah
[15:53] <dholbach> looks great
[15:53] <dholbach> awesome
[15:59] <maco> so if i'm upstream on something, and i want to make a package... i recall hearing that upstreams should *not* include debian/ in their source tree. where *should* i put something like that?
[15:59] <maco> i'm using lp.  should i put a debian dir in a branch?
[15:59] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/shotwell/ubuntu
[15:59] <jcastro> there's an example maco
[16:00] <jcastro> but yeah, you're correct
[16:00] <maco> thanks
[16:00] <dholbach> you can just merge it from the source package branch of ubuntu
[16:00] <dholbach> or debian
[16:02] <maco> dholbach: not in yet. it'll be in before feature freeze though
[16:02] <dholbach> yeah, I was just saying
[16:02] <dholbach> … theoretically
[16:03] <maco> oh ok
[16:03] <nigelb> hola folks
[16:05] <jcastro> hi!
[16:06] <nigelb> jcastro: can you give us a blog post on cleansweep tomorrow?
[16:06] <nigelb> daniel rocked the planet today
[16:06] <jcastro> certainly!
[16:06] <jcastro> I will tweet it today though
[16:06] <nigelb> yay, thanks :)
[16:08] <jcastro> dholbach: ok, I mailed the shotwell guys just now informing them of my evil daily build plans for them
[16:08] <dholbach> awesome
[16:08] <jcastro> dholbach: anything else for dailies today?
[16:09] <dholbach> jcastro: as I said: some stuff is a bit broken still I think
[16:09] <jcastro> oh it is
[16:09] <jcastro> he told me
[16:16] <vish> jcastro: is there a bug jam in the near future?
[16:16] <jcastro> I don't remember!
[16:17] <nigelb> vish: plan one!
[16:17] <jcastro> you're like the 2nd person to ask today though
[16:17] <jcastro> let's ambush jono with that
[16:17] <vish> jcastro: oh , well , dont forget your TODO for papercuts ;)
[16:23] <dpm> the questions on bug jams might have been prompted by http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/myfenris/~3/O5Jj0x08q_c/ I must say they're a bit late (or a bit early!) for the global jam, but it's really cool they're organizing one!
[16:25] <jcastro> vish: wait, which one?
[16:27] <vish> jcastro: [jorge] Bug jam will check with papercuts project: TODO  > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/design-m-papercuts
[16:27] <vish> hmm , and papercuts is becoming more of community work now
[16:28] <jcastro> oh good, that's on my list, I had just mentally forgotten about it
[16:28] <vish> jcastro: nothing much , in that TODO though , to refresh , you agreed to mention include papercuts in the next bug jam :)
[16:29] <jcastro> right
[16:29] <jcastro> I have this recurring nightmare where I wake up and there's like 40 work items in launchpad I had no idea about
[16:29] <vish> lol!
[16:33] <qense> jcastro: Why isn't the design team making the workitems show up in the graphs, but are they adding them to blueprint whiteboards?
[16:33] <jcastro> not sure
[16:37] <dholbach> hello jono
[16:38] <qense> jcastro, jono: Have you both read <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/many-hands-make-light-work-few-make-it.html>? It is talked about a lot and I'm sure many, many people will start asking questions about it.
[16:39] <jcastro> qense: yeah I read it this morning
[16:42] <jcastro> qense: articles like that end up pointing out the same thing when you distill it all down - Not enough people working on ubuntu.
[16:42] <jcastro> which is always the problem
[16:43] <qense> jcastro: That might be true, but I think you could also say that in that case we should make up our minds and decide not to fix everything and the world at once. Also, opening up the development of the Ayatana projects might not be such a bad idea. I mean, there isn't even a starting page for those projects at the moment.
[16:43] <qense> jcastro: We've achieved a lot, but we can do it better. :)
[16:43] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/
[16:43] <jcastro> admittedly it's kind of crap
[16:43] <jcastro> but it exists!
[16:44] <qense> jcastro: Ah, I forgot about that page. But we should get a more shiny one! Like the planned 'developer.ubuntu.com', but on 'ayatana.ubuntu.com' and geared towards people looking for more information about getting involved in or using Ayatana.
[16:45] <jcastro> right
[16:45] <vish> jcastro: qense: re: the design team and charts , they have been pining pitti to get it working , it seems to be on his todo list
[16:45] <vish> pinging*
[16:45] <qense> vish: Hey! That sounds like something's to be expected soon. :)
[16:47] <jcastro> his thing on brainstorm is totally wrong
[16:47] <jcastro> it was never a place where people can vote on what canonical developers work on
[16:47] <qense> That is a true thing.
[16:48] <vish> heh , a lot of the posts on OMG are just opinions [sometimes a bit misinformed]  , but readers take it to the truth
[16:48] <vish> to be the*
[16:48] <qense> Ubuntu Brainstorm creates expectations, but I don't think that currently it is capable of living up to it. Maybe it should be made more clear how to proceed once people say they like the idea.
[16:49] <vish> qense: brainstorm ,IMO ,is just to divert some traffic from lp ;)
[16:49] <qense> Or else, if no one looks at it, we should consider whether it is something we want to continue to spend resources on.
[16:49] <vish> qense: some people do use it effectively though , mpt often goes through brainstorm
[16:49] <jcastro> there's a whole Faq on expectations and all that stuff for brainstorm
[16:49] <qense> vish: It does feel like that. :) A /dev/null we divert people to when they've got things to say, but we have not time or place to listen to them.
[16:50] <jcastro> I check it every day!
[16:51] <jcastro> the thing is the ideas are so general
[16:51] <jcastro> "Networking sucks"
[16:51] <jcastro> but like, we know that already
[16:52] <dholbach> jono: 8m?
[16:54] <qense> jcastro: That is indeed the problem of most of the ideas. They're part bug report part general ideas everyone agrees on.
[16:54] <qense> We all want 'better file management', but tell me how!
[16:54] <czajkowski> vish: I think thats unfortunately due to people pusing omgubuntu as the palce to get information these days, so if it's on there it has to be true
[16:55] <james_w> dholbach: I've no idea what most of the stuff in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dholbach/harvest/bug518887/+merge/21548 is doing, care to explain?
[16:56] <jcastro> czajkowski: the article isn't info per se, it's more an opinion piece
[16:57] <jono> dholbach, yep
[16:57] <dholbach> james_w: basically instead of listing ALL opportunity lists with all their opportunities (which takes ages) it just lists them in a clickable way
[16:57] <dholbach> jono: awesome
[16:57] <czajkowski> jcastro: it does seem to be the only way inforamtion is being pushed to the outside world at present
[16:57] <jcastro> what makes you say that?
[16:57] <czajkowski> jono: aloha
[16:57] <jono> bobbo, how is your week going :)
[16:57] <qense> jono: I'm currently working on the d.u.c content about Ayatana. I'm leaving out all the stuff that is still in development for Maverick. I think we need to look at when to add information about that. Most of the stuff hasn't been shown to the world yet. I'd say there are two options: add info when stuff is made available in maverick, or wait for the final release. In the first case we should add huge "WIP" ribbons and risk the technology
[16:57] <qense> not being used after all, or being changed radically. In the latter case the app developers would only learn about the new technologies after the release.
[16:58] <jono> hey czajkowski
[16:58] <bobbo> jono, great so far, I'm really enjoying it :)
[16:58] <qense> I'm still in doubt what the best way to solve this would be.
[16:58] <czajkowski> jcastro: I'm not seeing discussions regrding ububtu and new features discssed on ubuntu mailing lists or come from ubuntu /canonical folks, we seem to be pushing all news to come from omgubuntu
[16:58] <jono> bobbo, woo!
[16:58] <jono> bobbo, dholbach treating you well?
[16:58] <jono> bobbo, he is a slavedriver
[16:59] <bobbo> jono, yeah, he's keeping me busy :D
[16:59] <jono> bobbo, but a puppydog at heart
[16:59] <bobbo> hehe :D
[16:59] <dholbach> jono: slavedriver? says who?
[16:59] <jono> bobbo, also with Project Cleansweep announced you are ultimately responsible for it's success...no pressure :P
[16:59] <jcastro> hi bobbo!
[16:59] <jono> dholbach, lol, kidding
[16:59] <bobbo> hehe :D
[16:59] <bobbo> hey jcastro :)
[16:59] <dholbach> james_w: basically the view will go away eventually it's of little use once we have Dylan's "Fantastic Filters"(tm)
[17:00] <qense> dinner time, afk!
[17:01] <dholbach> james_w: it's just so that once we deploy nobody goes and kills the server
[17:01] <jono> dholbach, ok, one sec
[17:03] <dholbach> james_w: see how Dylan is making me code better - one day he'll make me write docstrings
[17:03] <jono> dholbach, logging on now
[17:04] <james_w> dholbach: never!
[17:04] <vish> czajkowski: yes , sad but its just human nature to like sensationalism more ;)
[17:04] <dholbach> james_w: yeah :)
[17:24] <bencrisford> afternoon
[17:39] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:39] <dholbach> see you!
[17:40] <nigelb> g'night!
[17:43] <jussi> laters dholbach
[17:43] <dholbach> bye guys
[18:55] <jono> jcastro, call in 5?
[18:56] <jcastro> jono: yessir
[18:56] <jcastro> jono: mumble?
[18:59] <jono> jcastro, yep
[18:59] <jono> ready when you are
[18:59] <jono> jcastro, cant hear you
[19:00] <jcastro> jono: ok one sec
[19:13] <jcastro> jono: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-m-app-indicator
[19:16] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationAreaTransition/CompatibilityFixes
[19:18] <jcastro> jono: you dropped out
[19:53] <popey> jono: hey! I sent you a mail, could you have a look when you get a mo?
[19:53] <jono> popey, will do
[19:53] <popey> thanks
[20:40] <jcastro> jono: can you send me the notes from the call please?
[20:40] <jono> jcastro, yep
[21:03]  * jcastro steps out for about an hour
[21:03] <jcastro> brb
[21:55] <boredandblogging> anyone know why empathy doesn't allow irc accounts to be set up if there are no existing accounts already?
[22:02] <doctormo> boredandblogging: Sounds like a bug
[22:02] <boredandblogging> doctormo: yeah
[22:03] <JanC> boredandblogging: does that happen in karmic too?
[22:03] <boredandblogging> JanC: don't know, don't have anything running karmic
[22:03] <Pendulum> JanC: I think I heard that as a thing with empathy in karmic, but I don't remember nwo
[22:04] <JanC> I found the new account "wizard" in empathy in lucid quite confusing
[22:04] <JanC> or maybe karmic (don't remember when I had to set up an account last)
[22:04] <JanC> I mean, I found it confusing on lucid, maybe it was like that in karmic too
[22:06] <JanC> although I doubt it was (I think I set up jabber in one of my karmic new-install test systems)
[22:58] <doctormo> JanC: Do some mock-ups of a design you would like to see.
[23:00] <JanC> doctormo: I found the previous dialogs less confusing, but maybe that's because I know how things work technically  ;)
[23:01] <doctormo> JanC: Think about what you would see if you had never seen a chat program before
[23:01] <doctormo> JanC: That's how it should be design IMO
[23:02] <czajkowski> Pendulum: I feel the need http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_75rGr5vENs
[23:02] <JanC> well, that doesn't work for people who know IM protocols exist  ;-)
[23:02] <Pendulum> the Ubuntu version of the Rickroll (not that I didn't know exactly what it was when you linked it :) )
[23:02] <JanC> maybe it can be fixed with some more explanation...
[23:03] <czajkowski> Pendulum: hah, I'd not listened to  it in ages!
[23:03] <JanC> (in the wizard's dialog window)
[23:04] <Pendulum> my only question when I saw the link was whether it was this version or the group singing at UDS :-)
[23:06] <JanC> doctormo: I don't believe in "what you would see if you had never seen a chat program before" as the only source for design ideas BTW  ;)
[23:07] <JanC> let's see if I can see what I mean in a guest account...
[23:09] <czajkowski> Pendulum: no that doesnt inspire me as much as the video
[23:10] <czajkowski> :p
[23:10] <Pendulum> czajkowski: also, you're about 6 hours early from when we were watching it in Brussels :P
[23:10] <czajkowski> Pendulum: eh?
[23:12] <JanC> doctormo: okay, so the thing was, I wanted to use/make a "local XMPP" aka "iChat" account, and the option to choose was something like "I only want to see local people" (which seems to think there is only one way to implement that, which is plainly wrong)
[23:12] <JanC> and of course no way to select that protocol from the protocol list
[23:13] <JanC> and I can confirm there is no way to use or make an IRC account  ☺
[23:14] <JanC> (I think the wizard should include an option to create a registered Freenode account)
[23:14] <Pendulum> czajkowski: we watched it at about 6AM every morning when we got up, it won't be 6AM In Brussels for another 6hours :P
[23:15] <JanC> I guess I should file a bug on empathy upstream about that...  ;)
[23:19] <doctormo> JanC: Needs more attention
[23:20] <czajkowski> Pendulum: gotcha
[23:25] <doctormo> czajkowski: I have to smile at that video you posted, I remember discovering half of the art works on deviantArt.
[23:25] <czajkowski> I love that video
[23:26] <czajkowski> it really makes my day, clearly either 2 hrs sleep makes me happy, or I am very easily pleased
[23:28] <Pendulum> :)
[23:38] <czajkowski> we have dates
[23:38] <czajkowski>  11.04 UDS - October 25-29 (2010)
[23:38] <czajkowski>         11.10 UDS - May 9-13 (2011)
[23:38] <czajkowski>         12.04 UDS - October 24-28 (2011)
[23:38] <Pendulum> \o/
[23:38] <maco> yay!
[23:39] <maco> Pendulum: do you know how to say "yay" (or "festival" or "party") in ASL?
[23:39]  * maco reeeeeeeeally hopes there are no midterms the last week of october
[23:45] <Pendulum> maco: no :(
[23:46] <maco> Pendulum: it's like \o/  put your fits next to your head and swirl 'em around
[23:49] <Pendulum> cool :)
[23:49] <Pendulum> I assume bigger the swirl, the more enthusiastic?
[23:50] <Pendulum> and is there a specific direction they should swirl in?
[23:58] <maco> umm when i do it, my right hand goes counter clockwise and left goes clockwise
[23:58] <maco> so they both go inward toward your head when they're going across the front of the circle they're making


[17:55] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Finally installing fresh 18.10. I will see how it boots when I am done. Note that I always install normal BIOS method because the rest of my drive is already set that way.
[17:58] <OvenWerks> I do note an error in the logs though: Sep  8 17:55:29 ubuntu-studio ubiquity: /usr/lib/ubiquity/target-config/48ubuntu
[17:58] <OvenWerks> studio_maybe_ubiquity: 19: .: Can't open /scripts/casper-functions
[17:59] <OvenWerks> That may affect the ability to not install everything
[18:01] <OvenWerks> Anyway time to reboot
[18:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I just booted US Cosmic from yesterday's DL.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> qjackctl's default configuration is bad (auto kill jack on exit, The rest we don't care about)
[18:19] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-controls has been released
[18:19] <OvenWerks> ... I need to do a reboot to see how it works.
[18:19] <OvenWerks> -controls has some bugs:
[18:20] <OvenWerks> the GUI does not have the same defaults as the daemon
[18:21] <OvenWerks> The GUI shows jack autostart enabled, but the backend default is not.
[18:23] <OvenWerks> Actually thats it that I can see... it's missing the tablet stuff... I guess I haven't finished that yet :)
[18:23] <OvenWerks> reboot
[18:25] <OvenWerks> Bugs in cosmic: The icon used for Studdio in the menu is over sized, rightclick on desktop and select Applications to see this.
[18:41] <OvenWerks> another bug in -controls: it appears /lib/* is not installed so cpu governor is not set at boot.
[18:46] <OvenWerks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-controls/+bug/1791457
[18:50] <OvenWerks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-controls/+bug/1791459
[19:56] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: fixes committed for both bugs... needs new release/upload.


[08:50] <ogra_> ppisati, ddi you include the fix for bug 746137 in your last upload ?
[08:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746137 in linux-ti-omap4 "Page allocation failure on Pandaboard and Beagle XM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746137
[08:50] <ogra_> seems QA is seeing it recently on the bamboo-feeder http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1212016/
[09:15] <ppisati> ogra_: AFAIK there's no fix
[09:15] <ogra_> err, cooloney worked one out weeks agai
[09:16] <ogra_> *ago
[09:16] <ppisati> then i'm not aware of it
[09:16] <ppisati> i know there's a systcl to workaround it
[09:16] <ppisati> but IMO all the fixes proposed so far
[09:16] <ppisati> are not working
[09:16] <ogra_> GFP_ATOMIC vs GFP_KERNEL i think
[09:16] <ppisati> cooloney: ^
[09:16] <cooloney> ogra_: i saw patches for Panda was merged by ppisati
[09:17] <cooloney> the patch is a hack from Andy Green
[09:17] <ogra_> oh, he merged it without knowing ?
[09:17] <ogra_> haha
[09:17] <ogra_> k, as long as its in ...
[09:17] <cooloney> that's for panda, not for Beagle
[09:17] <ogra_> ah
[09:17] <ogra_> well, would be good to have it in beagle too
[09:17]  * ppisati is schizophrenic then
[09:17] <ppisati> well guys
[09:17] <ogra_> since we have no way to apply userspace hacks anymore like we did with preinstalled images
[09:18] <ppisati> but if we still have that problem even with the supposed fix
[09:18] <cooloney> ogra_: i tried a patch MingLei gave to me from upstream some maintainer.
[09:18] <ppisati> it's clearly not working
[09:18] <cooloney> ogra_: but it doesn't work.
[09:18] <ogra_> ppisati, how would you know ?
[09:18] <ogra_> your upload is in the archive but we have no new images with it yet
[09:18] <ppisati> ogra_: but it's not there for sure
[09:18] <ppisati> i mean
[09:18] <ppisati> cooloney: which patch were you referring?
[09:19] <ppisati> ogra_: in the last upload there's the video/unity flickering fix
[09:19] <ogra_> hmpf, i had the impression that was long fixed
[09:19] <ppisati> ogra_: and a rebase on origin/master (latest 3.5 stable)
[09:19] <cooloney> ppisati: a patch not in public, it is for smsc95xx usb net driver
[09:19] <ogra_> ah, if its driver specific that should work for beagle too then
[09:19] <cooloney> ppisati: the patch from Andy is in your ti-omap4, so it should be workarounded
[09:20] <ogra_> they use the same chip
[09:20] <cooloney> but for beagle it is in master.
[09:20] <ppisati> ogra_: iirc, conrad approached me weeks ago and told they have the same problem on builders
[09:20] <cooloney> the hack will touch other flavors.
[09:20] <ogra_> conrad ?
[09:20] <ppisati> ogra_: adam
[09:20] <ogra_> do you mean infinity ?
[09:20] <ppisati> yes
[09:20] <cooloney> infinity: ^^
[09:20] <ogra_> ah, conrad adam ... the evil twin of adam conrad *g*
[09:21] <ppisati> :)
[09:21] <ogra_> i dont think the builders run quantal, so thats not a surprise
[09:22] <ogra_> and they dont use preinstalled images to set them up (which would get them the fix) but use ubuntu-core with manual config or some such
[09:22] <ppisati> ogra_: yep
[09:22] <ppisati> ogra_: what i meant was that we never really fixed it
[09:22] <ogra_> s/get them the fix/get them the userspace fix/
[09:23] <ppisati> ogra_: and if we have a supposed workaround in
[09:23] <ppisati> ogra_: but we still experience it
[09:23] <ogra_> well, i lost the opportunity to work around it in userspace ...
[09:23] <ppisati> ogra_: then we should a) investigate the problem b) back out the workaround
[09:23] <ogra_> and i havent seen it in ages here in my tests
[09:24] <ogra_> so i personally had the impression it was long fixed
[09:24] <infinity> ogra_: The buildds use d-i over PXE on precise, but they have the userspace hack in puppet.
[09:24] <ogra_> until hggdh pinged me over night today
[09:24] <ppisati> infinity: and do they suffer the problem?
[09:24] <infinity> ppisati: No.
[09:24] <ppisati> uhm
[09:24] <ogra_> and funnily the saem thing is discussed on #beagle today too
[09:24] <ogra_> ppisati, the userspace hack always worked
[09:25] <infinity> ppisati: But any machine installing from an installer that doesn't put the userspace hack in place will have the issue.
[09:25] <ppisati> the userspace stuff was the sysctl config, right?
[09:25] <infinity> Right.
[09:25] <ogra_> right
[09:25] <ogra_> worst case we should just bump it at build time for certain arches
[09:25] <ogra_> in the kernel code ... if thats possible
[09:26] <ogra_> so we would just move the userspace hack into the kernel
[09:26] <ppisati> i wonder if can pass it via cmdline
[09:26] <ogra_> well you can definitely just create the sysctl.d file ... its a one liner
[09:27] <ogra_> not susre sysctl values are read from cmdline
[09:27] <ppisati> right
[09:27] <infinity> If it should always start at a certain value, and it's not, passing it on the cmdline (or sysctl) is the wrong answer.
[09:27] <infinity> The initial value should be correct.
[09:27] <infinity> I think we've been over this a few dozen times.
[09:27] <ppisati> but they are kernel variables
[09:27] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[09:27] <infinity> ppisati: Yes, it's a variable, but variables should have sane defaults.  This one clearly isn't sane for ARM.
[09:30] <ppisati> vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192
[09:30] <infinity> Anyhow, I should sleep.
[09:30] <ppisati> uhm
[09:30] <infinity> If I recall, apw was deeply involved in the last round of this conversation.
[09:30] <cooloney> ppisati: i suggest we instroduce a config option in master branch like CONFIG_VM_MIN_FREE_KBYTES
[09:30] <ppisati> sleep well
[09:30] <infinity> And he doesn't seem to be in the channel.
[09:30] <infinity> So you might want to take this to #-kernel.
[09:30] <cooloney> which should be 8192 by default for x86, powerpc
[09:31] <cooloney> and 32768 for ARM
[09:31] <ppisati> vm.min_free_kbytes = 32768
[09:31] <ppisati> on my Q/omap4
[09:31] <cooloney> and porting Andy's hacking patch to master
[09:31] <cooloney> ppisati: yeah, it should be 32768 for ARM since it was forced to be that in mm/page_alloc.c
[09:32] <ppisati> so we are "already "good"
[09:32] <ppisati> ?
[09:32] <infinity> Oh, kay, so we HAVE worked around it in the kernel?
[09:32] <cooloney> yeah, but beagle is omap3, which is master kernel
[09:32] <ogra_> on omap4, but not on omap (which uses the same driver)
[09:32] <cooloney> not on your branch,
[09:32] <infinity> Ahh, not in master.  Check.
[09:32] <ppisati> wait
[09:32] <cooloney> we need put such similar patch in master
[09:33] <infinity> Couldn't you just wrap it in #ifdef __ARM__ and commit to master?
[09:33] <ppisati> ogra_: didn't you say we hit this problem on omap4 tonight?
[09:33] <cooloney> if you put the same patch in master, it will set it to 32768 for all the flavors
[09:33] <cooloney> like x86 and powerpc
[09:33] <infinity> I guess highbank and armadaxp would pick it up too, then, but that's not world-ending.
[09:33] <ogra_> ppisati, i was notified by hggdh in #ubuntu-bugs tonight with the pastebin i gave above ... havent talked to him yet
[09:33] <infinity> cooloney: Hence why I said wrap it in an ifdef.
[09:33] <ppisati> ogra_: oh
[09:33] <infinity> cooloney: Though, obviously a CONFIG_ is better.
[09:34] <ogra_> (since he is asleep like every sane person on that american continent atm)
[09:34] <ppisati> so, even with the fix
[09:34] <ppisati> we hit the problem
[09:34] <infinity> cooloney: And the CONFIG_ change would be upstreamable even.
[09:34] <cooloney> infinity: yeah, that should be ok for just local hacking, heh
[09:34] <ogra_> ppisati, well, lets see what exactly he tested there
[09:34] <ppisati> ok
[09:34] <ogra_> i need to talk to him first
[09:34] <cooloney> infinity: i don't think we need such hacking for highbank and amadaxp
[09:34] <ppisati> ok
[09:34] <ppisati> wait a sec
[09:34] <ogra_> in any case people in #beagle are seeing it and have discussed it today
[09:35] <cooloney> because they don't use usb ethernet controller
[09:35] <infinity> cooloney: Right, hence why a CONFIG_ would be better.
[09:35] <ppisati> qait wait
[09:35] <ppisati> i just noticed one thing
[09:35] <cooloney> only beagle
[09:35] <cooloney> infinity: CONFIG_ can be set as different value for different flavor
[09:35] <infinity> ogra_: That pastebin is an ancient kernel.
[09:36] <ppisati> tight
[09:36] <ppisati> rigjt
[09:36] <ppisati> ah
[09:36] <ppisati> it's a 3.4.x
[09:36] <ogra_> i have heard many reports that people on intel have seen it too btw
[09:36] <infinity> cooloney: Yes, I know. :P
[09:36] <ppisati> we have the fix in 3.5
[09:36] <ogra_> it isnt arch specific but USB related
[09:36] <cooloney> or just use #ifdef USB_NET SMSC95XX
[09:36] <cooloney> like this kind of hacking
[09:37] <cooloney> ppisati: what's kind of fix in 3.5?
[09:44] <ppisati> 86b83747713545234c28e5347c6f0e5efb652332
[09:44] <ppisati> HACK force min_free_kbytes set by proc to min 32K to workaround smsc problems
[09:44] <ppisati> Signed-off-by: Andy Green<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:45] <ppisati> actually even this one
[09:45] <ppisati> 89b16e837180b215b667affdd4227220827f8bb4
[09:45] <ppisati> HACK force min_free_kbytes to 32K to workaround smsc problems
[09:45] <ppisati> both are needed
[09:45] <ppisati> the second one is a safe belt
[09:45] <ppisati> the first one is the real one
[09:53] <ogra_> ppisati, did you put the LP bug number for the flickering in the changelog ? (i didnt see it in teh pull request mail)
[09:53] <ogra_> Laney, ^^^
[09:54] <cooloney> ppisati: i didn't see that patch in the real code. can you see that code in the mm/page_alloc.c?
[09:54] <cooloney> ppisati: although i can git show that patches you posted
[09:58] <ppisati> ogra_: i didn't know there was a bug opened for it
[09:59] <ogra_> bug 1045491
[09:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1045491 in linux-ti-omap4 "Moving mouse messes up the desktop" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045491
[09:59] <ppisati> ah ok
[09:59] <ppisati> ok
[09:59] <ppisati> i'll close it manually
[10:00] <ogra_> well, let me take care
[10:00] <ogra_> i'll close it if it has been tested with the images :)
[10:02] <ogra_> (if i dont, kate will hunt me down anyway)
[11:34] <ppisati> ogra_: where is the template for preEnv.txt? or, how do i make it look as i like? or how do i make flash-kernel NOT replace its content at every run?
[11:35] <ogra_> ppisati, /etc/default/flash-kernel
[11:35] <ppisati> ogra_: ack
[12:09] <sveinse> As a part of a custom/proprietary first-boot system, I need to run a series of disk partitioning operations prior to mounting the real root. What would be preferred: a dash script with the required support tools (sfdisk, awk, grep, etc.) or to pull in python into initramfs?
[12:10] <ogra_> sveinse, have a look at the jasper-initramfs code
[12:11] <sveinse> ogra_, voila. Thanks
[12:11] <ogra_> specifically at the jasper_growroot script
[12:11]  * sveinse discoveres that the wheel has already been invented
[12:12] <ogra_> and obsoleted too :)
[12:12] <sveinse> I'm not there yet :P
[12:39] <sveinse> Any of you people the author(s) of jasper-initramfs?
[12:39] <ogra_> yes
[12:39] <sveinse> Why do you reboot after resizing root?
[12:39] <ogra_> any of me are :)
[12:40] <ogra_> because i'm a coward :)
[12:40] <ogra_> and want to make sure it actually worked before moving on with the install
[12:40] <ogra_> its not actually necessary if you are sure its all fine
[12:41] <ogra_> (i.e. if you dont have people with random SD cards as media)
[12:41] <sveinse> its just that there any isn't more you can do with a reboot compared to just continue. But I get the point
[12:42] <sveinse> Except that you know that the bootloader is still intact after altering the parttables
[12:42] <ogra_> you do test if the UUID and partitioning is still  right and if the bootloader still does the right thing on a fresh boot
[12:43] <sveinse> yup
[12:43] <ogra_> jasper_growroot also isnt the only script there ... jasper modifies other things too and sets them up
[12:43] <sveinse> i also noticed a loop around resize2fs. Doesn't it do enough in one iteration?
[12:44] <sveinse> (not that I've deciphered the sed and char logic in there)
[12:44] <ogra_> thats for plymouth
[12:45] <sveinse> ah. of course
[12:45] <ogra_> resize2fs runs through several iterations, the loop just picks up the output and dumps it to plymouth or the text console
[12:45] <ogra_> its not resize2fs itself thats gets looped over ... only the output
[12:46] <sveinse> you mean resize2fs does NOT run in loop, yes, I see that now
[12:46] <ogra_> right
[12:46] <ogra_> the while sits after the pipe
[12:48] <sveinse> and I also found some nice sysctl settings for having root on sd-cards. Are there any more goodies like this I should be aware of?
[12:49] <lilstevie> I need to start using that :p
[12:50] <lilstevie> I often get users of my transformer images complaining about it just stopping when resize2fs is running
[12:51] <ogra_> sveinse, the zram-conf package is helpful if your kernel supports it (speeds up swapping a lot)
[12:51] <ogra_> and here on my ac100 i just experiment with a journal-less ext4 ... thats classes faster than any FS i have tried yet
[12:52] <ogra_> though with that you should force an fsck on every boot
[12:53] <ogra_> ogra@horus:~$ cat /etc/security/limits.d/90-stack.conf
[12:53] <ogra_> * soft stack 256
[12:53] <ogra_> thats also pretty helpful when being low on ram
[12:54] <lilstevie> what is required for zram anyway
[12:54] <ogra_> (default is 8k per thread stack, makes your apps use less ram (and since its soft they can just ask for more if needed))
[12:54] <ogra_> lilstevie, that you enable it in your kernel config
[12:54] <lilstevie> I have no idea if I included the right bits
[12:55] <lilstevie> :p
[12:55] <ogra_> i think there is only one option (or probably two)
[12:55] <lilstevie> config_cramfs?
[12:56] <lilstevie> I guess I should just try it lol
[12:56] <ogra_> no, thats a filesystem
[12:56] <lilstevie> ah right
[12:56] <ogra_> search for zram
[12:57] <ogra_> (hit / in menuconfig)
[12:57] <lilstevie> yeah I know how to search :p
[12:58] <lilstevie> ok yeah CONFIG_ZRAM
[12:58] <lilstevie> and it is enabled
[12:58] <ogra_> great
[13:00] <lilstevie> I have double the ram of the ac100, but IMO 1GB is far from enough
[13:02] <ogra_> yeah, imho zram should become a default as staging swap
[13:03] <ogra_> so that you first swap into compressed ram before actually writing to disk
[13:03] <lilstevie> yeah
[13:03] <lilstevie> I will have to give it a go, see how much of a performance increase it gets
[13:05] <ogra_> you will only note it when swapping
[13:05] <lilstevie> so the moment I open chromium then :p
[13:06] <ogra_> yeah, firefox uses lots less ram in its recent versions ...
[13:26] <sveinse> What's the deal with CHS geometry on omap3 and bootloader? I haven't been able to find any other combination other than H=255, S=63 that works. But I see H=128, S=32 is used in jasper
[13:26] <sveinse> so I guess that also works
[13:26] <ogra_> the ROM needs to find the first stage loader at a certain point on a vfat to boot
[13:27] <sveinse> (I have to admit I'm confused about CHS vs LBA and how they interact)
[13:27] <ogra_> thats omap specific
[13:28] <ogra_> i doubt you need CHS on tegra
[13:30] <lilstevie> ogra_, tegra scans until it finds the bct
[13:30] <ogra_> right
[13:30] <sveinse> from what I understand, there partition table contains both CHS and LBA fields. And Linux uses only LBA, right.
[13:31] <sveinse> So given that you're able to boot, when sfdisk complains about partitions not on cylinder boundaries is just a warning, but it does not affect anything
[13:49] <sveinse> ogra_, A proposal: You dont strictly need to use fdisk to determine the size of the disk. sfdisk can do that as well. So you can spare a binary in initramfs
[13:49] <ogra_> sveinse, well, jasper is pretty much dead beef
[13:50] <sveinse> ok, just saying
[13:50] <ogra_> we only keep it in the archive in case we will actually spin preinstalleds once again
[13:50] <ogra_> over time it will vanish from the arhcive though, i wont put any work into it
[13:51] <ogra_> and yeah, i know that sfdisk can do this
[14:40]  * ogra_ looks at bug 1044709 and wonders what got infinity the honor to be the new unity slave
[14:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1044709 in unity/6.0 "unity-6.4.0 from quantal-proposed crashed with SIGSEGV on omap4" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044709
[14:41] <ogra_> oh you actually commited that to their tree
[20:40] <jimerickson> omap4+armhf: it works. enough said.
[20:44] <GrueMaster> jimerickson: Erm, when didn't it?
[20:54] <jimerickson> was have some flashing screen problems with the last kernel. but this latest update has resolved it.
[21:03] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[21:14] <Deformati> Anyone here know about performance counters?
[21:46] <GrueMaster> I do, sort of.
[21:46] <GrueMaster> At least from the Pentium Pro days.
[22:54] <Deformati> GrueMaster, For some reason on omap4 devices the performance counters are disabled and there doesn't seem to be documentation for enabling them.
[22:54] <Deformati> So I suppose pentium pro isn't relevant.
[22:55] <GrueMaster> Yea, propably not.  :P
[22:55] <GrueMaster> You might ask on #pandaboard though.  They can probably help, if it is harder than simply rebuilding the kernel.
[23:00] <GrueMaster> It should be fairly straight-forward though.  Looks like it can be done by downloading the kernel source package for the kernel you are using, then modify the config to enable perf counters.
[23:00] <GrueMaster> And rebuild.
[23:00] <GrueMaster> Documentation is at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[23:27] <Deformati> GrueMaster, I tried that.
[23:28] <Deformati> There is a bug report on launchpad.
[23:28] <GrueMaster> And the new custom kernel didn't work?
[23:28] <Deformati> The existing kernel has it enabled.
[23:28] <GrueMaster> ah, ok.
[23:29] <Deformati> But warmcat says on the launchpad bug report that it is intentionally disabled, i cannot find what they disabled or where.
[23:29] <Deformati> I just get errors every time I try to use the PMU.
[23:32] <GrueMaster> Sounds like possibly a #linaro or #pandaboard issue.
[23:32] <Deformati> Ok.
[23:33] <GrueMaster> I seem to remember some discussion on this a while back (like 11.10 timeframe).


[08:22] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu mernilio joins - makes offtopic comments /parts, multiple people have asked him to stop,
[17:26] <popey> @btlogin
[19:00] <Flannel> ikonia: stop spamming, sheesh.
[19:22] <ikonia> quiet, or I'll ddos you


[07:30] <kapidaevum> I want to install Kubuntu linux os on a laptop from Lenovo (Legion 5 AMD 4800H).... the trackpad will not work .
[07:32] <kapidaevum> how can i make the trackpad work
[07:34] <diogenes_> kapidaevum, does it even work at all?
[07:41] <kapidaevum> yes
[07:41] <kapidaevum> everything works well, but trackpad no chance.
[07:42] <kapidaevum> i belive that it needs a driver or something
[07:44] <alkisg> kapidaevum: usually, drivers are included in the kernel. Which kernel are you using now? uname -r
[07:45] <kapidaevum> 5.8.50 -generic
[07:45] <alkisg> Can you try with the kubuntu 21.04 live cd? That one should have kernel 5.11
[07:45] <kapidaevum> <IP_ADDRESS>-generic
[07:46] <alkisg> If it works in 5.11, then you can install 5.11 in your existing kubuntu installation
[07:47] <kapidaevum> ok thanks
[09:00] <Guest_49> hi everyone! Can anyone help me with non-systematic boot problems? Dell Inspiron 5593 and the errors I randomly get are "can't find command hwmatch" and "you need to load kernel first".
[11:43] <Elonmusk11> I am unable to boot to the desktop screen, It's stuck at login screen after entering the password. I tried to update system by pressing alt+f2 in terminal but still issue is not fixed. Any way to fix this?  I changed some global theme only after that I am facing this i
[11:44] <Elonmusk11> Issue
[11:45] <Elonmusk11> Any one available?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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[17:29] <n0yd> Hello. Been tinkering with panels/qidgets. I added back the default application launcher and default panel setup. But my issue is the icon size for the application launcher dwarfs the size of all my other app icons, unless I make the panel size really small. Isn't the onmly fix to just find the very large sized icon, use that, and let the panel downsize it?
[17:35] <mernilio> Thanks for giving me woice
[17:36] <mernilio> :-)
[17:37] <mernilio> Im a long time asshole  so hold your horses!
[17:38] <n0yd> brb
[17:41] <mernilio> danish?
[17:42] <n0yd>  :-/
[17:42] <n0yd> It seems like no matter the launcher, the icon size issue persists. Even with different icons
[17:43] <mernilio> welcome back n0yd you have been missed
[17:44] <mernilio> dearly!
[17:44] <n0yd> ``````lol thx
[17:45] <mernilio> ;-)
[17:45] <n0yd> You joined right after i asked my question (before I left last)
[17:45] <n0yd> Shall I ask again?
[17:46] <n0yd> Been tinkering with panels/qidgets. I added back the default application launcher and default panel setup. But my issue is the icon size for the application launcher dwarfs the size of all my other app icons, unless I make the panel size really small. Isn't the onmly fix to just find the very large sized icon, use that, and let the panel downsize it?
[17:46] <mernilio> Im fine .. thank you
[17:48] <n0yd> Also, I noticed I can't get my meta/windows key working properly. It should just kind of work in 5.8 and up from what I read, I made sure I also had proper setting in kwinrc, but it still wont work by itself as shortcut. I know there is ksuperkey or whatever it jwas called, but even that says it shouldnt be needed in newer plasma releases
[17:58] <n0yd>  Is there any good Amarok replacements? Something that offers the "power user" feel/options of it?