[12:37] <eltigre> not really which ones... and apt-get -f install doesn't work either
[12:37] <jrib> eltigre: messages where?
[12:37] <zvacet> ^Phantom^:I'M not a gamer so all I can help you with is to install java package sorry maybe someone else know better
[12:37] <Ymer-> !backup | mythri
[12:37] <jatt> Oday: try
[12:37] <jatt> deborphan | xargs -i apt-get --purge remove "{}"
[12:37] <jatt> this will remove them.
[12:37] <jrib> mythri: ask him to name the software and see if it affects you :)  (there isn't much)
[12:37] <eltigre> jrib, synaptic and apt-get
[12:37] <jatt> Oday: with sudo of course
[12:37] <ashmew2> mythri: http://www.psychocats.net/ sorry its .net not .org
[12:37] <jrib> eltigre: and what's the exact message you receive from apt-get?
[12:38] <velcroshooz> obengdako, by proprietary i mean games and the like, most apps are going to run fine in 64 bit. very few are going to be 32 bit specific these days.
[12:38] <jrib> Oday: there's not much use for deborphan nowadays.  That functionality is built into apt-get now
[12:38] <mythri> jrib, i have to reinstall the ubuntu ......before that i was tryin to recover my ubuntu documents and files from windows xp partition..my ubuntu doesnt work now
[12:38] <^Phantom^> that's okay, zvacet, I think I might poke around their forums and see if they know anything
[12:38] <txomon> raju, it is a plugin in which you have a local cache copy of the server files you open, and while edditing them, changes are stored in cache
[12:38] <raju> txomon:  had u poke the google about this
[12:38] <txomon> and when you save they are uploaded
[12:38] <thien> somebody please send me download link of ubuntu 11.04
[12:38] <jatt> still deborphan finds unused packages which apt-get doesn't
[12:38] <padi999_> hi all. I can use ping from cmd-line fine but I cannot ping any server using the ubuntu built in Network Tools Ping. It always receives 0 packages. I changed the interface under "Devices" to wlan0 but still, no result
[12:39] <jrib> obengdako: ask him to name the actual software and see if it affects you (there isn't much)
[12:39] <ashmew2> thien: join #ubuntu-release-party
[12:39] <mythri> jrib, when  i did that i only got a back of ROOT.DISK
[12:39] <eltigre> jrib: I only have the German version, but roughly: aborting due to problems in pkgProblemResolver::Resolve
[12:39] <dd214> My UPDATE MANGER reads: "New Ubuntu release '11.04' is available!
[12:39] <Oday> they were all given the Abort choice, jrib
[12:39] <jiltdil> thien:just go to ubuntu home page
[12:39] <obengdako> velcroshooz, so won't installing lib32 and stuff solve those issues because i don't want to have to switch back and forth and can you name some?
[12:39] <txomon> raju, yes, but didnt find nothing reliable
[12:39] <raju> txomo : code.google.com/p/gedit-ftp-browser/ - Similar
[12:39] <jrib> eltigre: you're trying to upgrade?
[12:39] <rapha> Hi alll!
[12:39] <^Phantom^> zvacet, i'm gonna try playing offline
[12:39] <eltigre> jrib, not really
[12:39] <obengdako> jrib, thanks that is a good question do you use 64bit yourself
[12:39] <jrib> obengdako: I've used 64bit for years, yes
[12:39] <velcroshooz> obengdako, lib32 stuff in a 64 bit system is multilib, which should work fine.
[12:40] <rapha> the ISOs uploaded a couple of hours ago, are they "it"?
[12:40] <^Phantom^> i haven't tried that way yet, to see if it happens there
[12:40] <algert> anyone using ubuntu on virtual machine?
[12:40] <jrib> mythri: I don't follow what you are saying
[12:40] <obengdako> jrib, i may still have to download 32bit because i run installations for friends who come with varied machines
[12:40] <jrib> eltigre: prefix your command with "LANG=C" and pastebin
[12:40] <jatt> rapha: yes
[12:40] <mtlife> i cant speak
[12:40] <jiltdil> is it better to run 32 or 64 bit if my hardware supports 64?
[12:41] <mtlife> in ubuntu+1
[12:41] <jrib> obengdako: hmm, not sure what "run installations for friends" means
[12:41] <obengdako> jrib, is there a way to change to 64bit on a 32bit machine maybe a kernel change?
[12:41] <Incarus6> 32bit is allways better
[12:41] <jrib> jiltdil: how much ram do you have?
[12:41] <mythri> jrib, my ubuntu works no more and tried doing back of ubuntu files from diskinternals software i got a file called ROOT.DISK will it have all my documents and files in it?
[12:41] <jiltdil> jrib:4gb
[12:41] <jrib> obengdako: no, you'd have to reinstall
[12:41] <eltigre> jrib, hm it's about python packages... wait a moment
[12:41] <jrib> jiltdil: use 64bit
[12:41] <rapha> jatt: thanks! ... because the homepage of the website has been changed only now
[12:41] <velcroshooz> obengdako, that would require a reinstall
[12:41] <jiltdil> jrib:ok
[12:41] <chazwoza> use 64-bit
[12:41] <KM0201> Incarus6: i wouldn't say "always" better but there's circumstances where its better
[12:41] <jrib> mythri: ah, I do not know
[12:41] <obengdako> i mean people get their cds from me jrib
[12:41] <jrib> obengdako: you mean CDs with packages?
[12:42] <Incarus6> jiltdil, 32bit got a better hardware support, things like flash won't work with 64bit properly
[12:42] <zvacet> ^Phantom^: sorry I was not much of help all the best with game
[12:42] <mythri> my ubuntu works no more and tried doing back of ubuntu files from diskinternals software i got a file called ROOT.DISK will it have all my documents and files in it? i want to do a reinstall of ubuntu..does anyone knows it? please help me i m new to ubuntu
[12:42] <^Phantom^> zvacet, so far no crash yet, playing locally
[12:42] <eltigre> jrib: http://pastebin.com/jqReU10t
[12:42] <jrib> flash works fine on 64bit
[12:42] <KM0201> Incarus6: its been a long time since flash didnj't work properly w/ 64bit... it works fine now
[12:42] <obengdako> velcroshooz, jrib then hmmmm i guess this year i'll be selfish and download for just my machine any 32bit guy can't use my cd now
[12:42] <padi999_> Ah, it looks as if I have this bug :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+bug/709945
[12:42] <kellnola> 64bit hasn't had those problems in a long time
[12:42] <there> so
[12:42] <eltigre> is flash really supposed to work fine on ubuntu?
[12:42] <rgr> someone told me 64 bit was 100% as good as 32 bit. Is that not true?
[12:43] <there> unity was slow
[12:43] <jiltdil> Incarus6:ok thanks any way to make it better "flash' to work fine in 64bit
[12:43] <eltigre> I'm always getting like 100% cpu usage from literally  nothing
[12:43] <jrib> eltigre: « apt-cache policy python »  Where did this strange python version come from?
[12:43] <there> anyone else find unity kinda slowish?
[12:43] <jaredquinn> there: really?
[12:43] <jrib> rgr: it's true
[12:43] <there> yea
[12:43] <kellnola> eltigre, yes flash player works fine
[12:43] <Incarus6> KM0201, I can see still today a lot of 64bit related issues, were is no reason to change to 64bit (except the unix-time-problem)
[12:43] <eltigre> jrib, I have no idea
[12:43] <thegoodcushion> jaredquinn: I reckon I'll just ask periodically here to see what people are experiencing.  I can't seem to find up to date info online
[12:43] <there> jaredquinn: noticeably slower
[12:43] <jaredquinn> there: something wrong there then.. it's designed to be fast and lightweight, which is my experience so far.
[12:43] <jrib> eltigre: what does that command return?
[12:43] <rgr> jrib: not according to jus about every google I have done. Wishful thinking.
[12:43] <there> hmm
[12:43] <[deXter]> Hi all, how can I tell if this ubuntu ISO I downloaded is 32 or 64 bit?
[12:43] <KM0201> there: for me it was... but i'm running 11.04 on an ancient machine.. i just switched to xfce.. i knew that change would come about eventually
[12:43] <jatt> very slow
[12:43] <there> well it's not like really lagging or anything
[12:43] <buzzkill> what is the iso name deXter
[12:43] <jrib> rgr: flash works as fine for me as it does on 32bit or on windows.  I don't know...
[12:43] <Incarus6> eltrige, the latest flash version uses the experimental hardware acceleration, that could causes trouble
[12:43] <zvacet> ^Phantom^: well it is something
[12:44] <jaredquinn> there: so what was slow?
[12:44] <buzzkill> i386 = 32bit
[12:44] <[deXter]> buzzkill: lubuntu-10.10.iso
[12:44] <KM0201> Incarus6: there's no way you can make such a general statement ilke that, and it even be remotely accurate.
[12:44] <kellnola> [deXter], run "file" against any binary on it
[12:44] <KM0201> surely you realize that
[12:44] <[Soma]> hey... I just got up and had 47 updates, one of them being "libkmediaplayer4", and my updating process stopped with "preparing libkmediaplayer4". it's been like that for about 10 minutes. what do I do?
[12:44] <rgr> jrib: works for you. ok. Well the facts are that it doesnt for many others. And to say otherwise is misleading and dishonest.
[12:44] <intruder> hello
[12:44] <jrib> !md5sums | [deXter]
[12:44] <there> it was sort of..hmm.. i kinda have to log back into it and check again
[12:44]  * KM0201 is just glad VLC is finally fixed
[12:44] <[deXter]> None of this is of any help ... the lubuntu CD doesn't have an md5 listed on that page
[12:44] <eltigre> jrib, http://dpaste.com/536729/
[12:44] <jrib> rgr: I don't believe that's the fact.  Flash can be installed and works as fine as flash generally works (hogs cpu, etc)
[12:45] <rgr> nonsense
[12:45] <[deXter]> and the file command won't tell if the ISO contains a 64 or 32bit binary..
[12:45] <DarkStar1> I installed openldap (or at least I think I did) using apt-get but there is no slapd.conf file in the /etc/ldap directory is this normal?
[12:45] <kellnola> [deXter], try what I said
[12:45] <there> i installed gnome 3. it's a bit faster
[12:45] <jaredquinn> there: i've had other issues with it.. but speed hasn't been one of them.   It hasn't been terribly stable through the Natty testing phase.
[12:45] <jrib> rgr: which part is nonsense?
[12:45] <jiltdil> jrib:is there a flash issue in 64bit?
[12:45] <jaredquinn> there: wow..  that's kind of unexpected.. seeing gnome's been slow forever.
[12:45] <[deXter]> kellnola: I did, it just says that it's a bootable ISO.
[12:45] <there> jaredquinn: that's interesting. not sure what's going on here then :|
[12:45] <rgr> about everything you have said. It does not work fine for everyone. And a prooerly configured flash should NOT hog the cpu.
[12:45] <JR0cket1> jiltdil: no more than in 32bit :-)
[12:45] <jrib> eltigre: you have to figure out where that unofficial version of python came from and downgrade back to the official ubuntu version
[12:46] <kellnola> [deXter], mount the iso, and run "file" against any binary WITHIN it
[12:46] <jiltdil> JR)cket1:   :-)
[12:46] <eltigre> jrib, I have a few ppas...
[12:46] <JR0cket1> :-)
[12:46] <exalt> how can i make a bootable usb the best way ?
[12:46] <rgr> even a cursory google shows there to be hundreds if not thousands of people with Flash issues in 64 bit and/or Ubuntu in general. Frequently down to video drivers and xorg configs.
[12:46] <jiltdil> exalt:unetbootin
[12:46] <[deXter]> kellnola: Well nvm, I just looked inside the iso and all the binaries had a _i386 appended to it
[12:46] <[deXter]> :)
[12:46] <jaredquinn> there: my guess would be it would be a video driver issue then..   maybe some software assisted rendering going on or something?
[12:46] <kellnola> exalt, startup disk tool
[12:46] <jrib> rgr: well maybe you misinterpret what I mean by fine.  By "fine" I mean it is usable.
[12:46] <rgr> For you.
[12:46] <rgr> Not for many others.
[12:46] <there> jaredquinn: that's what i was suspecting too
[12:46] <velcroshooz> even on windows flash is a resource hog, so i agree with what jrib says. the issue is whether it is -more- resource intensive than suual
[12:46] <jrib> rgr: for everyone.
[12:46] <jaredquinn> there: did you try unity-2d
[12:46] <there> not yet.
[12:46] <rgr> Why do you continue to talk nonsense. It does not work "fine" for everyone.
[12:47] <kellnola> velcroshooz, yes, flash is kinda shitty, but it does work
[12:47] <exalt> jiltdil: unet bootin makes an stdin: error:0 error kellnola startup disk tool i dont know yet, lets have a look
[12:47] <bazhang> rgr, thats enough please
[12:47] <jrib> rgr: point me to a bug
[12:47] <rgr> And flash works fine on some linu distros and not on others.
[12:47] <rgr> jrib: are you being serious? Even people in this irc channel have reported issues. 2 fps is NOT "running fine".
[12:47] <jaredquinn> I was an icewm user for years because gnome and kde were both too bloated..  kind of happy that people are now finally seeing that a desktop environment doesn't need to get in your way
[12:47] <kellnola> exalt, "System Tools -> Startup Disk Creator"
[12:48] <jatt> rgr: 64bit is a pain in the neck for the desktop. it is excellent for servers running huge applications but for the desktop the wise thing to do is to install 32bit
[12:48] <exalt> kellnola: im on windows
[12:48] <Incarus6> jatt, I agree here
[12:48] <jaredquinn> jatt & rgr..  I agree...
[12:48] <eltigre> jrib: downgrading would basically deinstall most of the software I use, like firefox and gimp
[12:48] <edheldil> Hi all, after a (seeminglly harmless) upgrade of Lucid kvm-qemu package to 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.5, the VMs do not open VNC ports, not even from monitor console, regardless of port number. VMs otherwise run normally. Has anyone encountered this?
[12:48] <txomon> so anyone knows about
[12:48] <rgr> jatt: yes, thats more my opinion. But I dont see the need for msot people to use 32 bit. It can often hog more resources with no notable performance increase too.
[12:48] <jrib> I disagree. There's no reason not to use 64bit on the desktop if your hardware handles it
[12:48] <txomon> a plugin in which you have a local cache copy of the server files you open, and while edditing them, changes are stored in cache
[12:48] <rgr> s/32/64
[12:48] <kellnola> no probs with 64 bit on desktop here. Would not be able to use my 16GB of memory without it
[12:48] <rgr> if you really need 16 gigs then yes
[12:49] <kellnola> I run a lot of VMs
[12:49] <rgr> then it makes sense.
[12:49] <scarra3> My processor is an AMD Athlon x2 2.2 GHz dual core should I go for the x64 version of 11.04?
[12:49] <jaredquinn> kellnola: then it's NOT a desktop
[12:49] <konaya> Could someone fix the goof on the front page? They call Ubuntu "license-free", and it is not.
[12:49] <kellnola> jaredquinn, of course it is
[12:49] <jrib> eltigre: you need to remove that unofficial version of python
[12:49] <jatt> rgr: you are right, but for organizations is not rare to see servers running 64bit because their java "enterprise" applications require 64GB of ram :)
[12:49] <rgr> jaredquinn: huh? Of course it is.
[12:49] <jrib> scarra3: how much ram
[12:49] <kellnola> jatt, LOL. yes
[12:49] <guampa> scarra3: how much ram do you have?
[12:49] <scarra3> jrib: 4 GB
[12:50] <jrib> scarra3: use 64bit
[12:50] <jaredquinn> kellnola: if you're running a heap of virtual machines on it.. then it's a server, and the service it's serving up is machines.\
[12:50] <guampa> yeah, go with 64
[12:50] <there> jaredquinn: i suppose i'll install unity 2d and try it out.
[12:50] <scarra3> jrib: And how do I install drivers for my graphics card its an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
[12:50] <kellnola> jaredquinn, it's a computer.
[12:50] <jrib> !ati | scarra3
[12:50] <Incarus6> scarra3, Im using 32bit with PAE -> better compatibility
[12:50] <rgr> this machine is 64 bit and is 4 years old with 3 gigs. Cant imageine ever needing more ram on it with a Debian install but then I dont run VMs that often.
[12:50] <crashanddie> So, how do we get rid of Unity?
[12:50] <phoque_uni> I've really grown fond of removing the lower panel and installing Docky
[12:50] <crashanddie> maybe I should just install debian.
[12:50] <phoque_uni> granted, very OSX-like
[12:51] <phoque_uni> but that was unity too anways
[12:51] <Incarus6> crashanddie or gnome or another desktop
[12:51] <kellnola> crashanddie, the new debian is pretty awesome
[12:51] <txomon> so anyone knows about an editor in which you have a local cache copy of the server files you open, and while edditing them, changes are stored in cache?
[12:51] <rgr> Whats the general feeling about Unity? Is it easy to turn off?
[12:51] <jaredquinn> crashanddie: if you *really* want to.. at the login prompt... you just select "Classic"
[12:51] <there> i kind of like the look and feel of gnome 3 though. although that might just be the novelty of it.
[12:51] <zvacet> scarra3: trx from system>admin<additional drivers
[12:51] <lucas> #btrfs
[12:51] <velcroshooz> crashanddie, there is an option when booting to choose ubuntu classic instead
[12:51] <jatt> crashanddie: I think you can chose a gnome session instead of a unity session on login, don't give up so fast (I know unity sucks tho)
[12:51] <rgr> unity is gnoe isnt it?
[12:51] <jatt> nope
[12:51] <jrib> rgr: you select "classic desktop" at the login screen to turn it off
[12:51] <velcroshooz> rgr, no
[12:51] <Incarus6> rgr, it isnt
[12:51] <crashanddie> well, gnome 3 sucks, and unity is horrendous.
[12:51] <crashanddie> I can't see the future getting better at this point.
[12:51] <rgr> I thought it was a new WM for gnome. Oh well!
[12:51] <Incarus6> rgr, its an own developement of canonical
[12:51] <scarra3> zvacet: Ok awesome thanks now I hope that my touchpad will finally work since it didn't work in 10.10
[12:52] <kellnola> crashanddie, oh well, back to windowmaker
[12:52] <Sidewinder1> Would anyone be kind enough to provide the md5sum hash for the released i386 desktop 11.04 or a link to same? TIA
[12:52] <Incarus6> crashaddie, Im using KDE ;)
[12:52] <jatt> canonical wanted unity and gnome but gnome guys were against it (you know why once you see unity)
[12:52] <rgr> crikey.  A whole new DE? Are they releasing their own desktop apps as well?
[12:52] <jatt> s/and/in
[12:52] <jaredquinn> jatt: it's not just about the look of it either
[12:52] <crashanddie> kellnola, or I'll fork gnome2 and keep maintaining it :)
[12:52] <kellnola> unity looks like it is meant for a touchscreen to me
[12:52] <velcroshooz> all new UI take time for them to mature, when kde 4 started everyone hated it, it has come around, grnome 2.x has had -years- of dev ..
[12:52] <Incarus6> rgr, correct
[12:52] <rgr> eek
[12:53] <damicita> why you think that unity is bad ?
[12:53] <jaredquinn> jatt: it's designed with a slightly different appraoch to how a desktop environment should hang together, and ultimately you will have gnome, kde and other apps all running happily under it, rendering their bits the right way, sending notifications to teh right places and everything being magical.
[12:53] <Incarus6> jatt, Im going to test unity in a couple of minutes. but im not sure about unity. I got a proprietary graphic card driver
[12:53] <th^^> crashanddie: just select 'Ubuntu Classic' in the login screen...
[12:53] <jaredquinn> damicita: I don't.. I love it.
[12:53] <jatt> yeah but canonical doesn't have the resources to maintain unity in the long term, gnome can be hated but they have lots of experience and developers on their side
[12:53] <th^^> but yes, it's easier to go emo about unity and install debian than click one dropdown...
[12:53] <karlhunt> You can still start in gnome by choosing ubuntu classic at login
[12:53] <jaredquinn> damicita: but only because i've been digging around deep within it for a few weeks
[12:53] <Incarus6> damicita, no support for proprietary graphic cards
[12:53] <zvacet> scarra3:  np I hope it will work
[12:53] <eltigre> jrib: hm... another stupid question, I tried to do that with synaptic but I can't actually perform the action because it says I have to repair defective packages
[12:53] <rgr> jaredquinn: it will mother all the different DE apps to look and life the same? Ha. I will believe that when I see it.
[12:53] <rgr> s/life/feel
[12:53] <damicita> oh ...
[12:54] <scarra3> zvacet: Ya its an alps touchpad on my sony vaio
[12:54] <g4> is it easy to test unity and then turn it off?
[12:54] <jaredquinn> g4 YES
[12:54] <Sandeep_Kr_FOSS> So Ubuntu 11.04 has been released, a big THANK YOU to all the devs and contributors! :)
[12:54] <g4> jaredquinn: link?
[12:54] <thien> what is the fastest download accelerator for ubuntu?
[12:54] <Incarus6> g4, repos
[12:54] <g4> ty
[12:54] <scarra3> Btw do the torrents work yet
[12:54] <jaredquinn> g4: read above
[12:54] <jaredquinn> g4: you just select CLASSIC at the login prompt
[12:54] <jaredquinn> g4: and you get gnome\
[12:54] <Incarus6> g4, http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/unity
[12:54]  * rgr predicts unity will produce yet another incompatible suite of apoplication setting repositories and people will get very frustrated ...
[12:54] <g4> ahh great :)
[12:54] <jaredquinn> FFS
[12:54] <jaredquinn> Read the doco people.
[12:54] <zvacet> eltigre:  in synaptic fix broken packages
[12:54] <g4> <3 Ubuntu!
[12:55] <eltigre> zvacet, won't work
[12:55] <edheldil> Hi all, after a (seeminglly harmless) upgrade of Lucid kvm-qemu package to 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.5, the VMs do not open VNC ports, not even from monitor console, regardless of port number. VMs otherwise run normally. Has anyone encountered this?
[12:55] <ikonia> jaredquinn: easy on the language please
[12:55] <jaredquinn> ... and please give unity a chance.. and not just for five mintues.
[12:55] <eltigre> but I think I found a way now
[12:55] <jbache> any UDS organizers here?
[12:55] <zetheroo> sigh .... thought there would be at least 2000 ppl in here ...
[12:55] <rgr> ikonia: what are you talking about? He didnt swear.
[12:55] <SuperRoach> disappointed?
[12:55] <jatt> ultimately unity will die if they don't provide software that pleases the user
[12:55] <ikonia> rgr: yes he did
[12:55] <rgr> No he didn't.
[12:55] <jatt> no matter how smart their idea/architecture is
[12:55] <simion314> i get a strange bug, during boot my keyboard led is turning off and nothing will happen,if i press the power button the keyboard led will turn on and the bott continue
[12:55] <zvacet> eltigre:  in terminal   sudo dpkg --configure -a    sudo apt-get -f install
[12:55] <fix> woot woot in the boot
[12:56] <bazhang> rgr, lets move on
[12:56] <eltigre> zvacet, thanks
[12:56] <Eduard> Hell guys
[12:56] <jaredquinn> good idea..  I didn't literally swear, but the implication was definitely carried in what i said.  So you are both right.
[12:56] <Incarus6> did he say "hell"?
[12:56] <rgr> ban him! ;)
[12:56] <zetheroo> are there any known chipsets that are buggy with Unity?
[12:57] <velcroshooz> not important
[12:57] <zvacet> eltigre: np
[12:57] <rgr> why would chipsets be buggy with unity?
[12:57] <DirtyDawg> wow i am getting slow speed on the new release downloading
[12:57] <CVirus> What's Narwhal in Arabic :-D ?
[12:57] <Dr_Willis|2> they would be buggy with compiz :)
[12:57] <Incarus6> zetheroo, yes, all proprietary graphic cards arent supported in unity-3D
[12:57] <Eduard> Does anybody know, if the nasty broken dependencies on nvidia-96 drivers was fixed with 11.04?
[12:57] <kellnola> rgr, 'cause unity requires 3D
[12:57] <rgr> DirtyDawg: thats a surprise on release day.
[12:57] <jaredquinn> zetheroo:  Unity can't casuse you issues with teh chipset...
[12:57] <DirtyDawg> hehe
[12:57] <zetheroo> rgr: or Unity being buggy with chipsets ...
[12:57] <jatt> there is unity-2d
[12:57] <karlhunt> Im running sandy bridge which works ok but graphics is poor. 2d support only
[12:57] <karlhunt> lots of tearing etc
[12:57] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: but.. there has been a few issues with the Intel lappy chipsets .. but they have been a kernel issue.
[12:57] <zetheroo> Incarus6: Intel?
[12:57] <Eduard> Does anybody know, if the nasty broken dependencies on nvidia-96 drivers was fixed with 11.04?
[12:57] <rgr> karlhunt: which drivers?
[12:57] <Incarus6> karlhunt, did you try the latest manline kernel?
[12:57] <karlhunt> default
[12:58] <zetheroo> jaredquinn: darn .. that is too bad
[12:58] <vega> !repeat | eduard
[12:58] <Incarus6> zetheroo, intel drivers arent proprietary, as I remember
[12:58] <CVirus> الناروال الأنيق ؟
[12:58] <rgr> Eduard: nvidia issues? have you used sgfxi?
[12:58] <karlhunt> Incarus6, I just keep up to date with the ubuntu kernel
[12:58] <Eduard> rgr: sec
[12:58] <karlhunt> is there a more upstream one?
[12:58] <g4> so how is unity compared to docky?  I would rather not upgrade only to find out the 3D Unity doesn't work ...
[12:59] <Eduard> rgr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/741930
[12:59] <rgr> There is a terrible tendency for those that offer the least help in this group to be the ones popping in with the most net nannying. Its very sad.
[12:59] <Eduard> rgr: no updates on it for quite a while
[12:59] <Incarus6> zetheroo, otherwise try unity-2D
[12:59] <karlhunt> zetheroo, unity worked on my old gma intel chipset but sandy bridge has a new one.
[12:59] <Incarus6> karlhunt, are you using 11.04?
[12:59] <zetheroo>  Incarus6: but I REALLY want the 3D :)
[12:59] <karlhunt> Incarus6, yup
[13:00] <Incarus6> karlhunt, Im not sure about the kernel version, what was it again in Natty?
[13:00] <rgr> Eduard: I had issues with liquorix kernels with nvidia too. I dropped the liquorix usage as a result.
[13:00] <karlhunt> Incarus6, been running beta for a few weeks and did a dist-upgrade last night
[13:00] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: what chipset are you on?
[13:00] <zetheroo> karlhunt: mine is Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
[13:00] <karlhunt> Incarus6, 2.6.38-8-generic
[13:00] <rgr> Intel graphics?
[13:01] <tomasz> it will be google-earth on ubuntu 11.04 ?
[13:01] <rgr> good luck with that..
[13:01] <zetheroo> jaredquinn: GM965/GL96
[13:01] <Incarus6> karlhunt, yeah, that looks actual. I read something about the sandy bridge drivers in the changelog. cant remember if it was 2.6.38 or 2.6.39
[13:01] <karlhunt> I think my chip is an intel hd3000 whatever that is
[13:02] <zetheroo> how do I know if mine is a "sandy bridge" chipset?
[13:02] <Incarus6> zetheroo, I wasn't talking to you?
[13:02] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: is that the same driver as the i915 / Arrandale?
[13:02] <genupulas> hi friends ...we all know that ubuntu partitions are going to be mounted without any password . but i wanna make some security to my harddisk partitions while mounting them . so can any one help me to solve this problem
[13:03] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: I think it is.
[13:03] <Incarus6> dammit, I can't upgrade
[13:03] <zetheroo> zetheroo: you asked me what my chipset was ...
[13:03] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: my problem is only when the screen is coming back after a hibernate
[13:03] <LjL> genupulas: you'd have to encrypt them, i don't think it's entirely trivial
[13:03] <vibhav> offically realesed now?
[13:03] <LjL> vibhav: yes
[13:03] <bazhang> vibhav, yes
[13:03] <genupulas> LjL:  how can i do that
[13:03] <Eduard> guys, where do i find 11.04 release notes?
[13:03] <zetheroo> jaredquinn: ok ... well I don't hibernate my machine ...
[13:03] <karlhunt> zetheroo, did you buy it in the last 2 months and is it core i5/i7 if not then unlikely
[13:03] <tomasz> jaredquinn try 2 times press change screen on keyboard
[13:03] <vibhav> OK!
[13:04] <tomasz> Fn + F4 i have
[13:04] <zetheroo> karlhunt: hehe ... ok ... nah this is an R61 Thinkpad ... C2D
[13:04] <tomasz> screen back
[13:04] <karlhunt> zetheroo, your graphics will be fine
[13:04] <zetheroo> cool
[13:04] <zetheroo> then I am really tempted to upgrade :)
[13:04] <padi999_> Can anyone give me a decent network traffic controller (ping and alerts if rtt reaches a certain #ms) with graphic UI preferably? The built in NM in ubuntu 10.10 does not work. Thank you for your appreciation.
[13:04] <genupulas> LjL:  now i am doing in my college system .do i have any links for this . i
[13:05] <LjL> genupulas: i can't point you to a specific document because help.ubuntu.com has a few of them and i honestly don't know which ones are currently recommended. try skimming through the stuff at http://www.google.com/search?q=encrypt+partitions+site:help.ubuntu.com
[13:05] <Incarus6> whooot, I cant upgrade :D can someone have a look: http://pastebin.com/ac3tH5g5
[13:05] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: just do it :)
[13:05] <jaredquinn> zetheroo: I've been running it for a couple of weeks.. and not had any major issues
[13:05] <zetheroo>  jaredquinn: they always say that ... .
[13:05] <genupulas> LjL:  cool , i hope ubuntu forums can solve this . ....any way thanks man
[13:06] <MaRk-I> !encryption | genupulas
[13:06] <kellnola> zetheroo, yeah, if all you use the computer for is web browsing and irc ... I am frankly horrified about video editing. 10.10 is bad enough
[13:06] <genupulas> MaRk-I:  thank you man
[13:06] <jaredquinn> Incarus6: you've a bunch of stuff installed from other repos?   I'm guessing maybe Ubuntu Studio?
[13:07] <zetheroo>  jaredquinn: ok ... here goes everything ... ;)
[13:07] <Incarus6> jaredquinn, yeah.. but not ubuntu studio... any idea how I can upgrade? (or which package that causes? (maybe xorg))
[13:08] <zetheroo> kellnola: I do a bit more than browsing and irc ... but no production level stuff
[13:08] <genupulas> MaRk-I:  that is great . i hope this can solve my issue .
[13:08] <jaredquinn> icewaterman: how did you start your upgrade?
[13:08] <MaRk-I> genupulas: yw, good luck
[13:08] <avij> hi, can someone please point me to an Ubuntu mirror that is a) accessible with rsync and b) carries the .iso images and c) is located somewhere in Europe. I'd like to conserve some bandwidth by rsyncing from the beta2 .iso images that I already have.
[13:08] <Incarus6> jaredquinn, line 588 could cause that problem
[13:08] <falxx> do-release-upgrade tells me that I can't upgrade, I believe that's because I've installed kde from ppa on my current system.. what's the way forward from there?
[13:09] <kellnola> falxx, I would remove any ppa's before upgrading. and remove the software first
[13:09] <Incarus6> falxx, isnt related with the KDE ppa
[13:10] <jaredquinn> icewaterman: did you answer how you kicked that upgrade off?
[13:10] <falxx> incarus6: oh, well, may be virtualbox then?
[13:10] <Incarus6> falxx, pls paste /var/log/dist-upgrade/ files
[13:10] <zvacet> Incarus6:  try apt-get -f install
[13:11] <zvacet> Incarus6: sudo apt-get -f install
[13:11] <benovic> HI Guys, I get strange outbound connections from unison-gtk, e.g. to <IP_ADDRESS> (google). Its firestarter displaying me these connections. Can somebody explain what happens?
[13:11] <Incarus6> zvacet, isn't working (it is working but doesnt fix it), because all dependencies are correct. it seems to be a too new xorg version, so I have to fix it by hand
[13:11] <velcroshooz> can anyone running 11.04 confirm the seperate wallpaper for dual monitor bug is gone? in 10.10 you need to ctrl alt f7 /ctrl alt f1 for it to work
[13:12] <zvacet> Incarus6:  ok then I didn' try natty yet
[13:12] <Incarus6> zvacet, im still in 10.10
[13:12]  * AdmV0rl0n hates unity :/
[13:12] <jaredquinn> Incarus6: did you do a update-manager and then let it handle all the other bits?
[13:12] <jaredquinn> AdmV0rl0n: why?
[13:13] <Incarus6> jaredquinn, yes. did you look at line 588?
[13:13] <karlhunt> When my screen dims it lags coming back out. Im going to try an upstream kernel
[13:14] <jaredquinn> Incarus6: the one that says   Fixing mountall:i386 via keep of plymouth:i386
[13:14] <Incarus6> jaredquinn, http://pastebin.com/ac3tH5g5 no
[13:16] <obscurant1st> apt-get dist-upgrade is it enough for updating my beta natty to the final release?
[13:16] <jaredquinn> obscurant1st: should be
[13:16] <ashmew2> if you need to do it cli-based try do-release-upgrade (should be in the package update-manager-core)
[13:17] <obscurant1st> ashmew2, do-release-upgrade ?
[13:17]  * ugisozols starting upgrade
[13:17] <ashmew2> yeah
[13:17] <Incarus6> this **** log files doesnt tell me anything :D
[13:17]  * ashmew2 starting upgrade. :)
[13:17]  * Incarus6 starting fixing
[13:17] <jaredquinn> ashmew2:  he is already running the 11.04 beta
[13:17] <falxx> icarus6: allright, pasting 1450 lines
[13:17] <zvacet> ashmew2:  he is upgrading from beta so there is no need for that
[13:18] <ashmew2> jaredquinn: OH !. i must have overlooked
[13:18] <ashmew2> sorry
[13:18] <ashmew2> =/
[13:18] <ashmew2> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:18] <obscurant1st> so apt-get dist-upgrade is fine?
[13:18] <Pici> obscurant1st: yes
[13:18] <ashmew2> yes. (lol...)
[13:18] <zvacet> ashmew2:  ;)
[13:18] <obscurant1st> and btw is there anyway I can check if its final?
[13:18] <falxx> Incarus6: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600238/ - quite broken I would think
[13:18] <Incarus6> falxx, link?
[13:18] <obscurant1st> final release*
[13:19] <ashmew2> zvacet :: hehe :P
[13:19] <zvacet> lsb_release -a
[13:19] <AdmV0rl0n> jaredquinn: there isn't even one likeable aspect to unity. not for me anyway. don't worry, I feel the same about gmone3 also. I have no idea what the UI designers think they are doing, but they are not building anything of value.
[13:19] <mithran> hi all, is there a good application i can use to keep track of tasks, with that minimizes to the tray maybe?
[13:19] <obscurant1st> zvacet, thanks
[13:19] <Incarus6> falxx, look at line 438
[13:19] <edheldil> Hi all, after a (seeminglly harmless) upgrade of Lucid kvm-qemu package to 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.5, the VMs do not open VNC ports, not even from monitor console, regardless of port number. VMs otherwise run normally. Has anyone encountered this?
[13:19] <zvacet> obscurant1st: yw
[13:19] <genupulas> falxx how u guys are going to analyse this much ....where is the mistake ?
[13:20] <Incarus6> genupulas, he cant upgrade
[13:20] <bencc> is it ok to create a user with name "user" ?
[13:20] <Guest7243> hello, is there any website about unity?
[13:20] <kellnola> bencc, yes but it isn't very useful
[13:20] <falxx> Incarus6: yeah, and then 200 more of those.. uninstall all packages marked as broken?
[13:20] <bencc> kellnola: why not?
[13:20] <Soothsayer> Guest7243: what about it ?
[13:21] <genupulas> Incarus6:  how  can you say that  ? how you have analysed that
[13:21] <zvacet> bencc:  name it as you wish
[13:21] <velcroshooz> bencc, sure why not.
[13:21] <Incarus6> falxx, are you sure, tha package "amd64" is in the repo? that package seems to be the reason
[13:21] <henux> hi
[13:21] <Soothsayer> why is the ubuntu website broken ?
[13:21] <jatt> Guest7243: -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/648180
[13:21] <Guest7243> Soothsayer: so I can check out some screenshots or videos? :)
[13:21] <henux> quup: hi
[13:21] <Incarus6> genupulas, he said it isn't working, wer are analysing the log files now
[13:21] <quup> henux: hello
[13:21] <falxx> Incarus6: "ure"?
[13:21] <Soothsayer> Guest7243: omgubuntu.co.uk/natty/
[13:21] <bencc> zvacet: velcroshooz:  I thought there is a reserved name or something
[13:21] <quup> Soothsayer: because no one could have predicted the extra traffic today :p
[13:21] <Incarus6> falxx, "ure"?
[13:21] <kellnola> bencc, well, if everyone did that ...
[13:22] <Guest7243> Soothsayer: thanks!
[13:22] <falxx> Incarus6: ure [ amd64 ] it says
[13:22] <velcroshooz> bencc, dont name another one root, thats about it
[13:22] <zvacet> Soothsayer:  overloaded probably  :)
[13:22] <falxx> Incarus6: its just the arch
[13:22] <Soothsayer> well.. ye some dependencies css, js files, etc are not loading
[13:22]  * kellnola is waiting until June to dist-upgrade
[13:23] <genupulas> Incarus6:  you mean the entire code he has given ....
[13:23] <bencc> zvacet: velcroshooz: kellnola: ok, thanks.
[13:23] <Soothsayer> why is the 32-bit 'recommended' ?
[13:23] <Incarus6> falxx.. i never said "ure" *confused* or right.. the package ure... yeah, that could cause the problem
[13:23] <falxx> but hey, I can just remove openoffice for now
[13:23] <zvacet> Soothsayer: everyone want new release at first day so we all can have problems with servers
[13:23] <henux> ubuntu.com works for me
[13:23] <william2> I've installed vnc4server and ubuntu desktop.  I started :1 and killed it to create the config file for VNC.  I get the error "GTK-Warning ** cannot open display" when I execute "sudo gedit ~/.vnc/xstartup".  How can I remedy this?
[13:23] <Incarus6> genupulas, its a log file (var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
[13:23] <bencc> Soothsayer: for most use cases it takes less memory
[13:23] <jatt> 64-bit as a long history of trouble in the desktop
[13:23] <jbwiv___> is the website hosed for anyone else (from a stylesheet perspective?
[13:23] <kellnola> TORRENTS people
[13:23] <kellnola> jatt, yeah like 4 years ago
[13:23] <velcroshooz> batman people
[13:23] <Psydoll> Hello I need some help please!
[13:23] <jbwiv___> jatt, rly? I've run 64-bit on the desktop for years with no problem
[13:23] <bencc> Soothsayer: if you have more than 4GB of ram, maybe you need the 64bit (on windows you do)
[13:24] <zvacet> kellnola:  +1
[13:24] <Incarus6> jbwiv___, it was, reload cache
[13:24] <Soothsayer> true
[13:24] <Psydoll> Does anyone here use any kind of programe for linux like photoshop???
[13:24] <Incarus6> !ask | psydoll
[13:24] <kellnola> Psydoll, gimp is the best by far
[13:24] <[TK]D-Fender> Psydoll: GIMP
[13:24] <velcroshooz> Psydoll, gimp
[13:24] <Psydoll> gimp i see!
[13:24] <ubuntu> Higlighted icons for Kaffeine and Amarok in launcher (or dash) look like disaster...
[13:24] <velory1> Hi, 11.04 released today right ?
[13:24] <kellnola> Psydoll, but it does not have all the features of photoshop 4 or 5
[13:25] <PhoenixSTF> velory1, yes
[13:25] <Psydoll> sudo apt-get install gimp?
[13:25] <velory1> asking this because I was using 11.04 beta and today I can't see any update
[13:25] <zvacet> velory1:  it is out
[13:25] <jatt> kellnola: o'rly? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/linux/+bug/659143
[13:25] <velory1> zvacet, PhoenixS ^^
[13:25] <jatt> 64-bit is a pain in the neck
[13:25] <jatt> anyway
[13:26] <zvacet> Psydoll:  I think you have gimp by default
[13:26] <jatt> so the sane thing to do is to use 32bit you won't lose performance or anything
[13:26] <Psydoll> zvacet i cant find it under applications?
[13:26] <falxx> works fine for me
[13:26] <jatt> unless you need lots of ram
[13:26] <AdmV0rl0n> I'll torrent the new release for a while. Should help as its a 100MB connection.
[13:26] <velory1> so can't we update from rc to release version or did I already updated?
[13:26] <falxx> 8gb mem, I need 64bit
[13:26] <velcroshooz> gimp is not installed by default.
[13:26] <velory1> how can I know
[13:26] <arand> jatt: It's the other way around.
[13:26] <KM0201> velcroshooz: i don't think it was in in 10.10 either
[13:26] <zvacet> Psydoll: under graphic I think (I'm not at ubuntu comp right now)
[13:26] <kellnola> is gimp stil under active development? it doesn't seem to have moved forward in a while
[13:27] <Psydoll> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install gimp
[13:27] <Psydoll> Reading package lists... Done
[13:27] <Psydoll> Building dependency tree
[13:27] <Psydoll> Reading state information... Done
[13:27] <Psydoll> E: Unable to locate package gimp
[13:27] <FloodBot2> Psydoll: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:27] <LjL> !info gimp
[13:27] <Psydoll> sorry i got that errir
[13:27] <Incarus6> kellnola, yes, gimp 3 is to be released soon
[13:27] <kellnola> Incarus6, \o/
[13:27] <Psydoll> zvacet its not there it doesnt come with it
[13:27] <KM0201> Psydoll: its int he repos, cuz i installed it, check your repository listing
[13:27] <LjL> Psydoll: uhm. please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources
[13:27] <velcroshooz> gimp is soon to hit a new milestone, still inder active development
[13:27] <LjL> Psydoll: uhm. please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:27] <trans> hello guys, just upgraded to natty, how to get dash full screen by default
[13:27] <william2> I get the error "GTK-Warning ** cannot open display" when I execute "sudo gedit ~/.vnc/xstartup".  What can I do?
[13:27] <velory1> can't I update from RC version to Release version or how can I know which version I'm using right now ?
[13:27] <Incarus6> kellnola, they got a slow programming progress ;)
[13:27] <kellnola> trans, ? ctrl-alt F1
[13:27] <LjL> william2: use gksudo gedit instead
[13:28] <jrib> !final | velory1
[13:28] <tsaknorris> william2: your DM isnt running :/
[13:28] <arand> jatt: 64bit is almost always better as far as performance goes, and PAE allows using < 64G memoery on 32bit..
[13:28] <zvacet> Psydoll:  enable universe repo in ubuntu software center>edit>repositories
[13:28] <tsaknorris> william2: if you use gnome its GDM
[13:28] <william2> hmm
[13:28] <VlRUS> :(
[13:28] <VlRUS> I hate natty whale
[13:28] <VlRUS> :S
[13:29] <VlRUS> I don't have full window effect
[13:29] <VlRUS> why?
[13:29] <velcroshooz> he is a narwhal, big differnece
[13:29] <Incarus6> VlRUS, are u using Unity?
[13:29] <william2> I tried sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[13:29] <VlRUS> Nop
[13:29] <VlRUS> Ubuntu classic
[13:29] <velory1> jrib:  so is it possible to learn which version I'm using ?
[13:29] <Incarus6> VlRUS, sure you arent?
[13:29] <LjL> william2: do you currently have a graphical desktop, or not?
[13:29] <william2> nope
[13:29] <jrib> !version | velory1
[13:29] <tsaknorris> william2: ok nothing happened??
[13:29] <VlRUS> I'm using Gnome
[13:29] <kellnola> really, 32 bit is for 1GB or less, anything more gives a performance hit vs. 64 bit. I can't imagine anyone having 1GB on a desktop these days. I am broke and have the mem.
[13:29] <Incarus6> william2, better try "sudo start gdm" or "sudo stop gdm"
[13:29] <LjL> william2: then gedit won't work. use "sudo nano" instead, it's quite easy to use as an editor
[13:30] <velory1> jrib:  thanks
[13:30] <william2> It saok
[13:30] <velcroshooz> kellnola, some of us dont want to deal with multilib issues, so stick with 32
[13:30] <VlRUS> And I installed amd radeon 6850 hd drivers (catalyst) and i haven't fully window effects
[13:30] <VlRUS> :S
[13:30] <velory1> where can we look window effects ?
[13:30] <william2> Sudo start gdm > job is already running: gdm
[13:31] <kellnola> velcroshooz, yeah. One of the things RHEL actually did right was make all 32 bit libs and apps available by just appending ".i386" to the package name
[13:31] <tsaknorris> william2: alt + f7
[13:31] <zvacet> velory1:  system>preferences>appearance
[13:32] <Jarod51> Hi
[13:32] <william2> sorry im in SSH
[13:32] <velcroshooz> kellnola, i have to run wine still so 64 bit makes me jump through a few hooops i would rather not
[13:32] <zfk> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/218010_1973723108619_1409281673_2277450_8019470_n.jpg
[13:32] <william2> i can load vnc session :1 and see a terminal box
[13:32] <william2> but that's it
[13:32] <velory1> zvacet:  because of new (on the left) menu I can't find system > preferences :Ğ
[13:32] <velory1> :P
[13:32] <william2> i have installed gnome
[13:32] <william2> hmm
[13:32] <FloodBot2> william2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:32] <zfk> I SAID SAUSAGE MCMUFFIN YOU FAGGOTS NOT SAUSAGE MCGRIDDLE
[13:32]  * zfk pukes
[13:32] <FloodBot2> zfk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:32] <tsaknorris> william2: but that other computer where you have connection
[13:32] <tsaknorris> william2: is there GDM
[13:32] <velory1> zvacet:  there's no window effects tab
[13:32] <zvacet> velory1:  using natty?
[13:32] <william2> no im on a mac
[13:33] <Jarod51> I have upgraded to 11.04 and that is reaaaaaaally nice ! I have a just alittle problem. I have a dual screen setup and my unity launcher is on th wrong one... how do i move it ?
[13:33] <velory1> zvacet:  yes
[13:33] <LjL> zfk: join #ubuntu-ops if you wish to be unmuted
[13:33] <william2> sorry, let me clarify. i'm trying to get vnc remote desktop sessions running on a vps
[13:33] <VlRUS> I have Ubuntu 11.04 natthy whale final version Buuuuuuuut i don't have window effects!! Extra effects i'm telling T.T
[13:33] <zvacet> velory1:  sorry then I didn't try it yet
[13:33] <william2> i just installed ubuntu 10.04 lts
[13:33] <kellnola> Jarod51, switch the cables? :/
[13:33] <jnlsnl_> sd
[13:33] <Jarod51> kellnola, hé hé hé
[13:33] <kellnola> Jarod51, you can do it in Xorg.conf
[13:34] <sdh> i think the "-d" in "do-release-upgrade -d" can be removed now from the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[13:34] <Incarus6> sdh, I think so too
[13:35] <william2> tsaknorris: you still there? :p
[13:35] <tsaknorris> william2: yes i am
[13:35] <VlRUS> Where can I find this window in 11.04? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kzYRFxk8_bE/SK6-ymhKRzI/AAAAAAAAABE/kDRms8Ub4Hc/s320/Screenshot-Appearance+Preferences.png
[13:35] <tsaknorris> william2: i know that you can startup graphics with ssh
[13:35] <tsaknorris> william2: there is own parameter for that
[13:35] <histo> VlRUS: hit window key and type in appearance
[13:36] <VlRUS> window key?
[13:36] <histo> VlRUS: nvm they got rid of it. You'd have to install compizconfig-settings-manager if you want to add more effects
[13:36] <v_v> i just installed 11.04, and it seems awesome
[13:36] <DETERMIN> same here v
[13:37] <v_v> :)
[13:37] <kellnola> wait, does unity use compiz or does it have it's own thing?
[13:37] <velcroshooz> kellnola, usews compiz
[13:37] <tsaknorris> william2: -X parameter read from man ssh
[13:37] <v_v> compiz is on
[13:37] <rumpe1> kellnola, now compiz, somewhere in the far future wayland...
[13:37] <william2> tsaknorris: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600248/
[13:37] <Psydoll> whats GOING ON?
[13:37] <DarkStar1> can someone help me pls with openldap configuration pls? the slapd.conf file doesn't exist despite the fact that the daemon runs
[13:37] <LjL> Psydoll: i don't know, what is?
[13:37] <Psydoll> CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO PLAY EVE ONLINE ON UBUNTU?
[13:38] <LjL> !caps | Psydoll
[13:38] <Psydoll> ok
[13:38] <tsaknorris> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600249/
[13:38] <Psydoll> sorry
[13:38] <kellnola> DarkStar1, IIRC, isn't it in /etc/slapd/ ?
[13:38] <tsaknorris> william2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600249/
[13:38] <DarkStar1> Psydoll: wine/virtualbox => windows => ubuntu :0
[13:38] <william2> ok
[13:38] <[TK]D-Fender> Psydoll: http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&xhr=t&q=eve+online+ubuntu&cp=13&pf=p&sclient=psy&biw=1920&bih=1115&source=hp&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=eve+online+ub&pbx=1&fp=8b5a1f5ac460de07
[13:39] <An_Ony_Moose> this laptop often shuts down randomly after a while. I can't find anything indicating a reason for this in syslog, where should I look? It seems to be a normal shutdown as started by running sudo halt - windows close one by one until only the desktop background is visible, then the normal splash screen shows up and the computer turns off after a while.
[13:39] <[TK]D-Fender> PsyI see more than half a dozen "how-to's" in the first page of results...
[13:39] <DarkStar1> kellnola: no such directory..
[13:39] <v_v> i tried 11.04 on my box. im considering  replace the debian on my laptop
[13:39] <DarkStar1> kellnola: and I have installed slapd twice now
[13:39] <Incarus6> An_Ony_Moose
[13:39] <Incarus6> An_Ony_Moose, did you google the issue. sry
[13:40] <kellnola> DarkStar1, dpkg -L slapd
[13:40] <nameless`> english question : is the sentence « he's a man of the good » correct ? or grammatically right ?
[13:40] <kellnola> nameless`, no
[13:40] <kellnola> grammatically, yes I suppose
[13:41] <nameless`> kellnola: even in a book ? something unusual ?n
[13:41] <VlRUS> Uhm
[13:41] <kellnola> nameless`, well if it's creative writing ok
[13:41] <velcroshooz> nameless`, it works, he's a good man is more appropriate these days, but whatev
[13:42] <An_Ony_Moose> Incarus6: what should I google? ubuntu shutdown? It isn't a very specific issue and I'd like to know where to look for a reason.
[13:42] <nameless`> velcroshooz: kellnola thanks to both of you
[13:42] <thegoodcushion> Hi everyone.  My Ubuntu can't seem to access the repos.  Is that because of overuse?
[13:42] <nameless`> thegoodcushion: did you try to apt-get update before ?
[13:42] <thegoodcushion> nameless`: That won't complete
[13:43] <nameless`> thegoodcushion: change your mirrors then
[13:43] <DJones> thegoodcushion: Most likely, with it being a new release, the servers will be under heavy use
[13:43] <thegoodcushion> nameless`: It's saying "Downloaded 0B of 1B"
[13:43] <thegoodcushion> it's ridiculous
[13:44] <Incarus6> An_Ony_Moose, it could be an issue related to your hardware. sounds like a problem with overheating or in general something like that (energy saving?). Or it could be that you press the wrong buttons
[13:44] <thegoodcushion> anyway I suppose I can live with a couple of days of no repo
[13:44] <DarkStar1> anyon else? since kellnola has disappeared?
[13:44] <Incarus6> thegoodcushion, you can try to change the update server to a local one instead of the generl servers
[13:45] <thegoodcushion> ok
[13:45] <Incarus6> DarkStar1, explain the exact problem
[13:45] <thegoodcushion> So what's the verdict on 11.04?
[13:45] <jatt> don't upgrade
[13:45] <Incarus6> can't upgrade
[13:46] <thegoodcushion> I'm a bit unsure about Unity
[13:46] <^Phantom^> i have more info on the minecraft crashing issue
[13:46] <AdmV0rl0n> I'm not.
[13:46] <^Phantom^> here's a pastebin of the java console output
[13:46] <^Phantom^> http://pastebin.com/9Wk10TPt
[13:46] <DarkStar1> Incarus6: I've installed slapd twice now and trying to configure it, and check the conf file for errors because I can't add schemas to openldap but it doesn't have a slapd.conf file as listed by the tutorials
[13:46] <AdmV0rl0n> Unity isn't for me.
[13:47] <AdmV0rl0n> Not unless it goes through a sever amount of adding configurability to it.
[13:47] <thegoodcushion> is it as simple as just selecting not to use it?
[13:47] <buff27> AdmV0rl0n, not for me either.... I moved to Xubuntu
[13:47] <Flynsarmy> I installed pidgin and closed the contact list. i have a contact window open. How do i get the contact list back? Clicking on the pidgin icon in the unity bar on the left does nothing. there's no system tray icon.
[13:47] <petisnnake> hello, where can I find the httpd binary?
[13:47] <buff27> thegoodcushion, log into clasic desktop instead
[13:47] <AdmV0rl0n> gnome 3 isn't for me either.
[13:47] <Incarus6> DarkStar1, sometimes ubuntu tries to find the right configuration and you dont have a configuration file by default (like xorg.conf), so you have to create it. or did it change the "position" / directory?
[13:47] <thegoodcushion> buff27: is it as simple as that?
[13:48] <Macer> hm. found some cpus for my ubuntu server for $50
[13:48] <thegoodcushion> AdmV0rl0n: are you a KDE man?
[13:48] <AdmV0rl0n> nope
[13:48] <Macer> 2.6 dual core opterons.. awesome
[13:48] <buff27> thegoodcushion, pretty much for 11.04
[13:48] <Macer> i have 2 dual core 1.8 265s now :)
[13:48] <thegoodcushion> buff27: I worry that the GNOME environment won't be as well-supported as Ubuntu moves away from it
[13:48] <buff27> thegoodcushion, 11.10 may not be
[13:48] <Macer> that should be a good bump
[13:48] <AdmV0rl0n> I have not liked much now for a long time. I think most of the desktop direction is wrong, is bad, and seems to be being built for tablets, not desktops.
[13:48] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: so you didnt got that SUN JAVA even minecraft needs it
[13:49] <maco> DarkStar1: dpkg -L slapd    <-- maybe there's a sample config file somewhere?
[13:49] <An_Ony_Moose> Incarus6: but how would I find out? /var/log/syslog tells me nothing useful, where else can I look?
[13:49] <LALALLAA> hello when come 11.10
[13:49] <nerdshell> When I try to open the settings of a virtual machine in VM Box it says "failed to access the USB subsystem". What can I do please ?
[13:49] <buff27> thegoodcushion, have you taken a look at what gnome is doing anyway....... looks similar to unity to me
[13:49] <^Phantom^> tsaknorris, I did, but I can't figure out how to launch it with that one via terminal
[13:49] <avij> hi, can someone please point me to an Ubuntu mirror that is a) accessible with rsync and b) carries the .iso images and c) is located somewhere in Europe. I'd like to conserve some bandwidth by rsyncing from the beta2 .iso images that I already have.
[13:49] <thegoodcushion> buff27: GNOME is not Unity
[13:49] <DarkStar1> Incarus6: no it didn't change directory but according to the document it comes with a config file but I don't see any in it's directory
[13:49] <Macer> uhm... is zfs built into the 11.04 install?
[13:49] <LALALLAA> hello when come 11.10
[13:49] <thegoodcushion> So any other opinions about 11.04 out there?
[13:49] <thegoodcushion> LALALLAA: October 2011
[13:49] <Incarus6> An_Ony_Moose, I can't help you with that, sry
[13:50] <An_Ony_Moose> Incarus6: ok, thanks anyway
[13:50] <Flynsarmy> anyone? seems like a pretty awful UI...can't even get the contact list back. no system tray icon
[13:50] <Kereltis> I just installed 11.04 and I'm loving it :)
[13:50] <buff27> thegoodcushion, i realise that, but gnome 3 screenshots (shell) look similar to unity shell
[13:50] <lukus> hi
[13:50] <arand> Macer: Not as far as I know, and likely might never be..
[13:50] <Incarus6> DarkStar1, /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist too, you have to create that file first
[13:50] <lukus> is natty good to go?
[13:50] <DarkStar1> maco: I grepped a .conf out of that just now and found just one file in the manual directory?
[13:50] <thegoodcushion> What's the gcc/clang on 11.04?
[13:50] <histo> avij: any of the mirrors should support rsync
[13:50] <nerdshell> !ubuntu+1 | lukus
[13:50] <brianl> So i was running the 11.04 beta release, and when i try and to an update, it says I can only do a partial upgrade?
[13:50] <thegoodcushion> which version I mean
[13:50] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[13:50] <Macer> arand: hopefully some day
[13:50] <histo> avij: rsync doesnt care where you are pulling from
[13:50] <nerdshell> When I try to open the settings of a virtual machine in VM Box it says "failed to access the USB subsystem". What can I do please ?
[13:50] <Pici> nerdshell: Natty is released.
[13:51] <^Phantom^> got it
[13:51] <maco> DarkStar1: thatd probably be a sensible place to put example files
[13:51] <lukus> nerdshell, I thought it had been released
[13:51] <Macer> anyways... bbl.. when the 11.04 hype dies down
[13:51] <^Phantom^> I have the runtime installed
[13:51] <thegoodcushion> nerdshell: that needs to be updated
[13:51] <AdmV0rl0n> er... distrowatch say its released
[13:51] <Macer> :)
[13:51] <thegoodcushion> 11.04 is officially released, the bot needs to be updated
[13:51] <fslima0> xubuntu 11.04 also released?
[13:51] <DarkStar1> Incarus6: it's a very complicated file to create and as it's supposed to have stuff in there that, when I read about, looks very complicated... Can't believe it's meant to be created by your average joe
[13:51] <nerdshell> When I try to open the settings of a virtual machine in VM Box it says "failed to access the USB subsystem". What can I do please ?
[13:51] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: replace jre also with jdk
[13:51] <Sidewinder1> !natty
[13:51] <DarkStar1> esp a beginner
[13:51] <numberto> My dash in ubuntu is not working - when I type to search for gedit, the circle just spins for couple of seconds and finds nothing
[13:52] <avij> histo: I wasn't able to find such a server. care to give me an example of a mirror that fulfills all the three conditions I mentioned?
[13:52] <brianl> So i was running the 11.04 beta release, and when i try and to an update, it says I can only do a partial upgrade? And that doesn't even seem to work...Am i not able to update via update-manager?
[13:52] <Pici> thegoodcushion: factoid updated.
[13:52] <histo> numberto: is it installed?
[13:52] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: and you cannot maybe use both javas..open and sun...you have to remove openjdk....
[13:52] <Sidewinder1> As above...
[13:52] <thegoodcushion> Pici: good work
[13:52] <numberto> histo: I installed ubuntu 11.04     3 days agon
[13:52] <Ongika> Ola bruderz
[13:52] <histo> numberto: no are you sure gedit is installed
[13:52] <^Phantom^> tsaknorris, so maybe it's still going through openjdk even though I choose sun?
[13:52] <Ongika> Pici bruder && ikonia bruder
[13:52] <numberto> yes
[13:52]  * ^Phantom^ goes and removes open
[13:53] <numberto> histo:  it does not find anything
[13:53] <thegoodcushion> Can anyone with 11.04 type gcc -v and clang -v and tell me what versions of each are installed by default?
[13:53] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: you can use synaptic package manager its easier....
[13:53] <Incarus6> DarkStar1, that could help: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/openldap-error-cant-find-slapd-conf-721784/
[13:53] <tsaknorris> ^Phantom^: yes
[13:53] <coz_> ^Phantom^,  open synaptic   hit search  and type  icedtea,,, remove all installed packages  and sun will be default at t hat point
[13:53] <numberto> histo:  neither alt + 2
[13:53] <jrib> thegoodcushion: packages.ubuntu.com is likely enough for you
[13:53] <^Phantom^> doing so now
[13:53] <Flynsarmy> Is there a way to attach menus back onto their app windows? having it in the top bar is very annoying
[13:53] <tsaknorris> im off now..bye all :)
[13:54] <coz_> oh boy ,, is everyone on natty now ?? :)
[13:54] <numberto> shuould I reinstall unity?
[13:54] <jatt> no
[13:54] <jatt> uninstall it
[13:54] <coz_> Flynsarmy,   you mean in Unity?
[13:54] <Flynsarmy> coz_: if i were allowed I would be using many creative words to describe how i feel about unity right about now lol
[13:54] <Flynsarmy> coz_: yep
[13:54] <coz_> Flynsarmy,  well no unless you log off and then change the session to classic gnome
[13:55] <histo> numberto: huh?
[13:55] <velcroshooz> Flynsarmy, on login you can choose ubuntu classic, gnome 2.x
[13:55] <Flynsarmy> velcroshooz: that'll only save me until they remove classic :(
[13:55] <[Soma]> I'd like to move the top-bar in unity to the bottom, which is the way I had it before upgrading to 11.04. but I'm not even able to right-click the top bar or drag it or do anything. suggestions?
[13:55] <coz_> Flynsarmy,  I hear you  for sure,,   Unity is best used on small screens  so   use classic gnome
[13:55] <cornel_> hello ll
[13:55] <Trashi1> whats the easiest way to add a shortcut to the new unity sidebar?
[13:55] <AceKing> Damn! took me 3 minutes to download 11.04! I'm surprised it wasn't slower with all the downloads going on.
[13:55] <velcroshooz> Flynsarmy, thats six months to the day at the VERY leats ;)
[13:55] <histo> Trashi1: drag it there
[13:55] <coz_> Flynsarmy,  if classic is removed at some point,, I am guessing it will be an easy install
[13:56] <jatt> lol not many people use ubuntu
[13:56] <Trashi1> histo: doesnt work
[13:56] <lukus> has anyone here upgraded to natty yet?
[13:56] <cornel_> i have one problem: "sudo: must be setuid root" in 10.04
[13:56] <numberto> histo:  I really don't know what to do.  I watched the video of new 11.04 and wanted to try it. I really love how it  look but most functions does not work. I wander if there something which didn't install correctly, just don't know how to find out
[13:56] <^Phantom^> okay, trying with openjdk uninstalled
[13:56] <Flynsarmy> i wonder if the point of unity was to make things easier to do or to hide things from the screen. seems everything takes at the bare minimum 1 extra click to do. hell - finding what apps you have installed is now a fight between man and machine
[13:56] <coz_> actually  there should be 2  releases   Unity   and ubuntu
[13:56] <launch> Hi, what is the difiference between version terminating by .10 and those   terminating by .04
[13:56] <thegoodcushion> For the record, clang 2.8 and gcc 4.5.2
[13:56] <coz_> at least that is my opinion
[13:56] <lukus> launch, its the month number
[13:56] <coz_> ok let me boot into natty
[13:57] <histo> launch: .10 comes out in october .04 is in april
[13:57] <launch> lukus, histo: thanks
[13:58] <lukus> so some people are having problems with natty?
[13:58] <[Soma]> wow having an app open in unity is annoying. and I can't even alt-tab into a new tab. I have to minimise my app so I can select another one. since of course there's no task bar either
[13:58] <[Soma]> :S
[13:58] <elb0w> If I upgrade to 11.04 what do I lose from 10.10?
[13:58] <^Phantom^> Seems to be running good so far
[13:58] <z0mbyk1d> ok, has anyone dist-upgraded to 11.04 from 10.10 server i386? have any 'gotchas' been discovered? :)
[13:58]  * ^Phantom^ knocks on wood
[13:59] <jatt> unity was intended to by an April 1.
[13:59] <Flynsarmy> has anyone got anything good to say about unity lol
[13:59] <jatt> joke
[13:59] <peto_> join
[13:59] <[Soma]> Flynsarmy : not yet :o
[13:59] <velcroshooz> this channel is going to be drowned with unity haters for the next few months :/
[13:59] <z0mbyk1d> haha
[13:59] <elb0w> how do I install gnome3 on 11.04?
[13:59] <z0mbyk1d> yeah i am not bothering with ubuntu desktop
[13:59] <z0mbyk1d> interested in server though...
[13:59] <[Soma]> I'd love to love unity, but I can't figure out how anything works.
[14:00] <LjL> !netsplit
[14:00] <OerHeks> elb0w, you can install the unstable ppa
[14:00] <HF_acid> [Soma]: I agree
[14:00] <[Soma]> it doesn't seem very handy :S
[14:00] <[TK]D-Fender> elb0w: http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=install+gnome3+on+11.04&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=8b5a1f5ac460de07
[14:00] <OerHeks> !gnome3
[14:00] <end_user> Unity in suffering
[14:00] <jatt> hehe
[14:00] <velcroshooz> i am not a guinea pig, i wait for everyone else to figure out the problems
[14:00] <elb0w> [TK]D-Fender, was asking here incase of the "DONT DO IT"
[14:01] <jatt> unity is beta
[14:01] <Flynsarmy> i dreaded icons on the left but they turned out to be a pleasant surprise so i went into this very open minded. but....the only real way to describe this is 'wtf'. what were they thinking?
[14:01] <HF_acid> hey guys, I just installed Natty and upon attempting to connect to the wireless it's asking for me to unlock the default keyring.  It's not the password I created on install and leaving it blank doesn't work either. I'm not using autologin which reportedly would create this prompt in order to create a password. Unfortunately I'm woefully lacking knowledge of the keyring system
[14:01] <jatt> can you move the unity bar to the bottom?
[14:01] <jatt> the left one
[14:01] <[TK]D-Fender> elb0w: Then you should have asked "Is it a bad idea to install Gnome3 on 11.04?"
[14:01] <MohammadAG> is there a way to upgrade without update-manager? dist-upgrade doesn't show any new packages
[14:02] <histo> jatt: let me check
[14:02] <coz_> elb0w,  if you install gnome3  it will break Unity
[14:02] <z0mbyk1d> MohammadAG: you need to update, safe-upgrade first
[14:02] <z0mbyk1d> so that the new update-manager can be installed
[14:02] <^Phantom^> Thank you for your time, everyone that helped me.  It is playing fine once again.
[14:02] <Soothsayer> If I'm going to dual boot windows 7 and ubuntu..
[14:02] <Soothsayer> If I'm going to dual boot windows 7 and ubuntu, all the NTFS partitions will be available to both right ?
[14:02] <jatt> histo: I guess is not possible?
[14:03] <HF_acid> Soothsayer: should be
[14:03] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Yes
[14:03] <palmje> Soothsayer: linux can read/write ntfs partitions
[14:03] <Soothsayer> So that means even the main Windows 7 partition will be available ?
[14:03] <Soothsayer> where the windows os is installed?
[14:03] <MohammadAG> z0mbyk1d, well, update-manager's crashing/hanging when I click upgrade, so I'm looking for another way to do that
[14:03] <arand> HF_acid: Go into passwords and encryption keys, I presume is should be there, you can delete it from there which will re-make it next time..
[14:03] <launch> yes
[14:03] <blacknumber> yes
[14:03] <blacknumber> it is
[14:03] <histo> jatt: I don't see a way but you can check. If you install compizconfig-settings-manager it will give you all theoptions to configure unity
[14:04] <coz_> Soothsayer,  yes although I would google      ubuntu dual boot  windows 7   to be sure there are no particular things that have to be done
[14:04] <elb0w> coz_, do you promise? haha
[14:04] <elb0w> Will it break anything else?
[14:04] <HF_acid> arand: thanks I'll give it a try
[14:04] <jatt> histo: I am using unity-2d
[14:04] <jatt> histo: no compiz I guess
[14:04] <kristoffer_> whats the relase room?
[14:04] <velcroshooz> always expect it to break everything.
[14:04] <ImperialXT> I'm sure this has been answered a hundred times already, but is there anyway to install gnome 3 on 11.04 ? I know it doesn't come with it by default
[14:04] <elb0w> guess ill wait a bit then before I put it on my dev box
[14:04] <coz_> elb0w,    that one I am not sure,,, you could remove unity,,, and then install gnome3  ,, however,,, gnome3 uses mutter as the compositor,, I dont think it can   compete with compiz
[14:04] <histo> !party > kristoffer_
[14:05] <DirtyDawg> quick Question guys, if i am doing a regular install and not a wubi one, and i am using 2 partitions (3 inc swap) one for / and one for home, what size / should be a good size
[14:05] <HF_acid> ImperialXT: I heard there's a PPA if you want to try that, I have no experience with it though
[14:05] <ImperialXT> HF_acid:  kk ty
[14:05] <arand> DirtyDawg: ~20G
[14:05] <brianl> Has anyone been able to upgrade to the 11.04 release from the 11.04 beta release through update-manager??
[14:05] <Schoentoon> Hello, are there any easy ways to get a touch screen to work on ubuntu?
[14:05] <DirtyDawg> arand: k mate thx
[14:05] <Pici> !final | brianl
[14:05] <zamba> 11.04 is LTS?
[14:05] <Omega> Good day #ubuntu, it's going to be a long day today :)
[14:06] <Pici> zamba: No.
[14:06] <arand> DirtyDawg: Or, well with a separate home, you'll probably be more thatn fine with ~10G
[14:06] <zamba> Pici: when's the next LTS out?
[14:06] <velcroshooz> DirtyDawg, the OS requires around 4 gigs, so how much you need for apps and ata outside of that is your decision
[14:06] <coz_> brianl,   all you need to do is  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  to get up to speed
[14:06] <brianl> That is what I have been doing
[14:06] <pioruns_> Hi guys. I wanted to report an issue: when I boot Ubuntu 11.04, it stops loading. And doing nothing, until I press ENTER. It happen on boot screen (this bronze background, and nothing else, even Ubuntu logo). Where I should report it, which package to report (Launchpad?). I'm using Nvidia proprietary driver.
[14:06] <DirtyDawg> kk
[14:06] <zamba> Pici: lucid is the current LTS, right?
[14:06] <ImperialXT> zamba: 12.04
[14:06] <Pici> zamba: 12.04 (2012, April)
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> how do i upgrade the server edition from maverick to natty??
[14:06] <zamba> aight
[14:06] <thien> which one should i choose to install ubuntu, ext3 or ext4?
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't do anything
[14:06] <Pici> z0mbyk1d: sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> ahh right
[14:06] <Pici> !dist-upgrade | z0mbyk1d
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> any gotchas with server pici?
[14:06] <z0mbyk1d> like, should I not do it?
[14:06] <zamba> does 11.04 include a kernel for running as domU on xen?
[14:06] <Pici> z0mbyk1d: I didn't have any issues here.
[14:06] <brianl> coz_, Its saying I can only do a partial upgrade?
[14:06] <coz_> z0mbyk1d,    try sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade
[14:07] <NerdPatrol> Hello ALL! I just woke up - Is Natty out yet?
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> i dont use apt-get
[14:07] <coz_> brianl,  ooo
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> i'll use do-release-upgrade
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> thanks pici
[14:07] <coz_> brianl,  well right now I cant even get an update / upgrade,,, the servers are bogged down,, so hold on for a bit
[14:07]  * ImperialXT slaps NerdPatrol and points at the topic
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> gonna be pissed if it breaks this system
[14:07] <SeRVeR01> NerdPatrol, it's out
[14:07] <pioruns_> Hi guys. I wanted to report an issue: when I boot Ubuntu 11.04, it stops loading. And doing nothing, until I press ENTER. It happen on boot screen (this bronze background, and nothing else, even Ubuntu logo). Where I should report it, which package to report (Launchpad?). I'm using Nvidia proprietary driver.
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> it's my monitoring machine
[14:07] <z0mbyk1d> mysql, cacti, nagios, etc
[14:07] <brianl> coz_, Yeah, I guess that is the same problem I am having, it won't let me upgrade anything :D
[14:08] <brianl> coz_, E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. <-- error I am getting when trying to update
[14:08] <ImperialXT> I had to remove my ppa's
[14:08] <ubuntutryout777> good day. im on a LIVE CD right now, but i have no settings for compiz or any graphic effecs. no unity either. what can i do?
[14:08] <ImperialXT> from my update list
[14:09] <Soothsayer> sorry, back.
[14:09] <brianl> ImperialXT, ppa's?
[14:09] <coz_> brianl,  ok open synaptic package manager and under the "Edit"  menu   click   "fix broken packages"
[14:09] <ImperialXT> !ppa brianl
[14:09] <ImperialXT> !ppa | brianl
[14:09] <HF_acid> ubuntutryout777: that's typical of the live cd, I'm not sure if you can force enable them, but after install unity and the like worked just fine
[14:11] <ubuntutryout777> HF_acid, you mean after you installed the ubuntu on harddrive, or do you have to install unity manually? i thought its on the ISO already.
[14:11] <brianl> coz_, Okay thanks, ill try again
[14:11] <brianl> ImperialXT, okay thank you
[14:11] <Soothsayer> I have two hard drives and I plan to dual boot Win 7 and Ubuntu.. I've heard that it's better (in terms of performance) to put both the operating systems on one drive and all data files on another
[14:11] <HF_acid> ubuntutryout777: after I installed on the harddrive, it's on the iso but I don't think it's enabled during livecd runs
[14:11] <Soothsayer> Is there really a considerable difference?
[14:12] <kaushal> hi
[14:12] <kaushal> whats the default Filesystem in 11.04 ?
[14:12] <dsathe> ext4
[14:12] <Pici> kaushal: ext4
[14:12] <Soothsayer> kaushal: ext4
[14:12] <Soothsayer> lol
[14:12] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Well is something goes wrong with your boot drive you don't have to worry about the data on your other drive
[14:12] <trans> hello guys, how to get dash in full screen mode by default
[14:12] <dsathe> trans edit dconf
[14:13] <dsathe> dconf-editor
[14:13] <kaushal> is btrfs recommended ?
[14:13] <dsathe> gstreamer>unity>form factor
[14:13] <pioruns_> Hi guys. I wanted to report an issue: when I boot Ubuntu 11.04, it stops loading. And doing nothing, until I press ENTER. It happen on boot screen (this bronze background, and nothing else, even Ubuntu logo). Where I should report it, which package to report (Launchpad?). I'm using Nvidia proprietary driver. Can somebody answer me please?
[14:13] <dsathe> Kaushal no
[14:13] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: true. Though I'm talking about performance?
[14:13] <trans> oh, ok
[14:13] <kaushal> dsathe: Any specific reason ?
[14:13] <ubuntutryout777> Soothsayer, i think its always a good idea to have th operating system and data on different partitions/harddrives, reguardless of dual boot
[14:13] <trans> any updated themes for natty, old themes aren't working nice
[14:13] <Soothsayer> ubuntutryout777: ok.
[14:13] <pfarrell_> hi! is it possible to tell update-manager to download the packages for upgrading to natty now, and then use them to do the upgrade later?
[14:13] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Having less simultaneous access on your drives should give higher performance
[14:13] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Common logic
[14:13] <histo> avij: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage?action=show&redirect=RsyncCdImage
[14:14] <konaya> pioruns_, try to disable the bootup screen and see on what it freezes.
[14:14] <zniavre> good afternoon
[14:14] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: so what locations would I mount on the other drive in Ubuntu ?
[14:14] <Soothsayer> the /home/ , /var/   ?
[14:15] <escott> kaushal, no it is very very beta
[14:15] <Psydoll> exit
[14:15] <aLky> guys, i get this error: After your package information was updated the essential package 'ubuntu-minimal' can not be found anymore
[14:15] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: normally Ubuntu will point them to /mnt automatically and you just click to mount from Nautilus
[14:15] <pioruns_> konaya, how to disable it? splash off or something, in GRUB?
[14:15] <zniavre> at startup unity session  tells me unity can't run due harware , but if i launch manualy 'unity --replace' unity starts but gnome-panel stays present
[14:15] <zniavre> what can i do please?
[14:15] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: Or /media .. I mix those up sometimes
[14:15] <Incarus6> zniavre, did you try unity-2d?
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> zniavre: what video chip do you use?
[14:16] <botcity> pioruns_, i am experiencing some similar problems i will be downloading the alternative cd tomorrow you may need to press f6 at the halt !
[14:16] <konaya> pioruns_, I don't know the exact procedure. Worse, I'm on my way out. Google it and/or get help from someone else. I think I pushed you in the right direction, though
[14:16] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: I didn't understand this "normally Ubuntu will point them to /mnt automatically and you just click to mount from Nautilus"
[14:16] <pioruns_> zniavre, kill gnome-panel app
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> aLky: is this a clean install or an upgrade?
[14:16] <aLky> upgrade
[14:16] <ubuntutryout777> hmm, does anyone know if theres a way to force effects and unity on LIVE run? i would like to try out before installing.
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> aLky: are you using natty?
[14:16] <Soothsayer> ubuntutryout777, [TK]D-Fender : my home directory should be on the data drive right ?
[14:17] <Flynsarmy> aLky: there were alot of issues on the issues page when doing upgrades
[14:17] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: My other drives were always visible in Nautilus.  I click and it auto-mounts and I'm just going through my partitions on it
[14:17] <ezl> where can i set the email addresses that apticron emails when updates are necessary?
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> ubuntutryout777: what video chip are you using?
[14:17] <pioruns_> thanks, konaya, botcity. Also in my foreign ubuntu forum I saw posts from people with same problem. I will investigate it later
[14:17] <trans> dsathe: installed dconf, what next
[14:17] <JohnFlux> Ubuntu 10.10 is telling me EVERY 5 MINUTES to update to Natsy!
[14:17] <[TK]D-Fender> [09:16]	Soothsayer	ubuntutryout777, [TK]D-Fender : my home directory should be on the data drive right ? <- up to you
[14:17] <JohnFlux> How do I tell it shut up? :)
[14:17] <dsathe> open dconf-editor
[14:17] <zniavre> Incarus6,  i do not like unity-2d
[14:17] <riktking> is natty released yet? ;-)
[14:17] <zniavre> ActionParsnip,  nvidia fx5500 173.14.30 drivers
[14:17] <aLky> ActionParsnip, not sure, it just came up asking me to upgrade. Flynsarmy I think i will just do a clean install then, thanks
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> JohnFlux: it's natty
[14:17] <Incarus6> zniavre, which graphic card are you using?
[14:17] <sacarlson> anyone having this problem php5-gmp:
[14:17] <html_inprogress> rrr there hers always been  a bit of problems with upgrading
[14:17] <sacarlson>   Depends: php5-common (=5.3.2-1ubuntu4) but 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.2 is to be installed
[14:17] <Incarus6> riktking, yes
[14:17] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: I use /home on my OS drive and I manually move what I want to my data drive.  I count my entire OS drive as being separate.
[14:18] <zniavre> pioruns_, it restarts
[14:18] <html_inprogress> hi yall
[14:18] <trans> dsathe: dconf-editor is not valid command
[14:18] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: I also want to do some database intensive development work. And I believe MySQL stores the database in /var , so where should I mount the /var ?
[14:18] <ubuntutryout777> ActionParsnip, i git a GTX460
[14:18] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: You don't have to keep stuff in /home
[14:18] <dsathe> go to desktop>unity
[14:18] <damiano__> hey guys
[14:18] <dsathe> change the form factor in drop down to
[14:18] <trans> then
[14:18] <damiano__> is there a package that block an user inside a directory ?
[14:18] <Necrocyber> hello anyone!!
[14:18] <dsathe> nretbook
[14:18] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: I see. I'm just used to seeing everything in /home .. like the documents, pictures, etc
[14:18] <dsathe> netbook
[14:18] <damiano__> example: user1 ---> /var/test
[14:18] <dsathe> n restart compiz
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> ubuntutryout777: then install nvidia-current then restart the X server, you will be able to run unity
[14:18] <pfarrell_> hi! is it possible to tell update-manager to download the packages for upgrading to natty now, and then use them to do the upgrade later?
[14:18] <dsathe> compiz --replace
[14:18] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer:That's a personal choice.  I have always preferred to file things where *I* want them to be
[14:19] <brianl> I am using Natty, and for some reason I can't seem to find/get working lib32ncurses5-dev,is32-libs,lib32readline5-dev, or lib32z-dev? On 10.10 or 10.04 I was able to just apt-get install them but not on natty?
[14:19] <damiano__> so if i'm using user1 i cant read below /var/test
[14:19] <damiano__> is it possible?
[14:19] <dsathe> trans u need to install it
[14:19] <mah454> Hello ...
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> aLky: your call dude, all you need are the nvidia drivers installing
[14:19] <Incarus6> ActionParsnip, i thought Unity-3D isnt supported with proprietary nvidie drivers?
[14:19] <mah454> Where is ubuntu-11.04 DVDs ?
[14:19] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: So you are saying just keep the entire Ubuntu on one drive... and then use a partition from the data drive for all my data?
[14:19] <trans> yes
[14:19] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: For your DB question... I'd say put it on the drive where it will have the most % of free resources to itself
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> Incarus6: sure it is, if you have 3D accelleration you can run Unity
[14:19] <trans> dsathe : I installed just "dconf"
[14:19] <trans> now installing proper one
[14:20] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: won't that be the data drive?
[14:20] <[TK]D-Fender> [09:19]	Soothsayer	[TK]D-Fender: So you are saying just keep the entire Ubuntu on one drive... and then use a partition from the data drive for all my data? <- That is what I like to do.  Its a personal thing.  For me the OS is a tool, but my datat is sacred
[14:20] <coz_> mah454,   this is one link   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/   but its for the daily build
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> mah454: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[14:20] <ubuntutryout777> hmm i thought you can run unity without drivers. i mean i cant even run compiz. i was able to do so on my old system on older builds without drivers
[14:20] <dsathe> oops i used rsync to daily
[14:20] <Lungan> Is it possible to customize unity?
[14:20] <dsathe> is tht same as fink
[14:20] <[TK]D-Fender> [09:20]	Soothsayer	[TK]D-Fender: won't that be the data drive? <- for the case you've been describing, it sounds like "yes"
[14:20] <damiano__> no?
[14:20] <dsathe> lugan
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> coz_: its released today so won't it be the same thing?
[14:20] <dsathe> a little
[14:20] <Incarus6> ActionParsnip, acording to http://askubuntu.com/questions/21427/does-unity-require-proprietary-graphics-card-drivers it isnt.
[14:20] <coz_> ActionParsnip,  I didnt think so   thanks
[14:21] <Lungan> dsathe, How?
[14:21] <coz_> Lungan,   not sure  ,, depends on what you want to customize
[14:21] <dsathe> i wud recoment omgubuntu.co.uk and webupd8.org
[14:21] <dsathe> brillinat for all goodies info
[14:21] <Pici> !who | dsathe
[14:21] <dsathe> lugan
[14:21] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: hmm.. so how should I keep the databases itself onto the other drive ... through a symlink ?
[14:21] <dsathe> in ccsm
[14:21] <damiano__> someone could hel me ?
[14:21] <Lungan> coz_, Would like to customize the bar at the top of the screen
[14:21] <damiano__> *help
[14:21] <coz_> Lungan,   the gnome panel... yes?
[14:22] <Soothsayer> I'm not sure.. if I don't mount /var to the data drive, then how do I make sure MySQL databases are actually on the data drive.
[14:22] <html_inprogress> aLky, thats the best, unless you want work ahead,and dont mind,  theres has been problems in the pasts with it upgrading ubuntu
[14:22] <Lungan> coz_, Yeah
[14:22] <coz_> Lungan,  well do you want to change its appearance or add applets to it?
[14:22] <damiano__> no ?
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> Incarus6: nowhere on that page does it say Unity isn't supported on proprietary drivers
[14:22] <Lungan> coz_, both
[14:22] <[TK]D-Fender> Soothsayer: That is certainly one way to do it.  I'm pretty sure you could change your configs to explicitly point elsewhere through... that is a DB config issue you'd have to actually look at their own docs for
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> Incarus6: its users saying if you want 3d effects you will need proprietary
[14:23] <aLky> thanks
[14:23] <zniavre> Lungan, you are allowaed to change the shadow of the top panel
[14:23] <Soothsayer> [TK]D-Fender: makes sense.
[14:23] <dsathe> Unity is definitely supported on nvid ia closed drivers
[14:23] <coz_> Lungan,   ok,, well to change its appearance you need to go to system/preferences/appearance  and hit the customize button,,, to add applets to it  just right click the panel    "Add to panel"  and choose from a list of available applets
[14:23] <_cory> has anyone tried 11.04 yet?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Happy Release Day
[14:23] <trans> guys is 11.04 slow, it hangs whenevr I try to access dash, do I need to install unity 2d, I'm using P4 machine with 1 gb ram
[14:23] <Lungan> coz_, since upgrading to 11.04 nothing happens when rightklicking?
[14:24] <[TK]D-Fender> 20 mins until both 32/64 bit releases finish downloading here :)
[14:24] <larsemil> any way to disable meta button to open launcher?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> Lungan: if you boot to regular desktop then make the unity bar you can change the top bar
[14:24] <html_inprogress> damiano__, yes
[14:24] <mah454> tnx :)
[14:24] <coz_>  Lungan  ooo,,, that's not good,, I assume you have already rebooted ,, probably several times... not sure then,, troubleshooting an upgrade as opposed to a clean install,, can sometimes be painful
[14:24] <Incarus6> ActionParsnip, ar, you are right. I found that and it says proprietary drivers are working: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DemystifyingUnityGraphicsHardwareRequirements
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> trans: have you installed 3D drivers. also make sure you are fully upgraded
[14:25] <Lungan> coz_, Hmm ok, but maybe they will fix it in the future? Its not that i cant use thecomputer
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> Incarus6: :)
[14:25] <perlsyntax> does ubuntu 11.04 come with gnome 3.0?
[14:25] <LjL> perlsyntax: no
[14:25] <perlsyntax> good
[14:25] <DeathKnight> is natty being released today?
[14:25] <perlsyntax> :)
[14:25] <leagris> it is
[14:25] <DJones> DeathKnight: It has been
[14:25] <trans> ActionParsnip: I have installed nvidia drivers, nvidia 8400gs
[14:25] <coz_> Lungan,  oh  wow thats bad,, did you try to  change the session to  classic gnome?   see if there is a performance difference
[14:25] <Incarus6> ActionParsnip, "/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p" is interesting
[14:25] <trans> ActionParsnip: I have installed nvidia drivers, nvidia 8400gs, 512mb
[14:25] <DeathKnight> DJones, wow.. and i missed it.
[14:26]  * Incarus6 still can't upgrade
[14:26] <trans> dsathe : Which key should I alter in dconf-editor
[14:26] <leagris> upgrading from OVH IPv6 mirror, hehe
[14:26] <coz_> trans,  you already rebooted after install the nvidia drivers ....yes?
[14:26] <Lungan> coz_, I will try. I like the new dock thought
[14:26] <perlsyntax> i hope there got perl 5.12.3
[14:26] <[TK]D-Fender> DeathKnight: No you haven't... it's still "released" ;)
[14:26] <ChaosR> compiz ain't working on 11.04 here, I have AMD catalyst drivers (latest),  glxinfo gives "X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)"
[14:26] <dsathe> trans desktop>unity>formfactor
[14:26] <trans> coz_: yes, I upgraded today morning since then its slow
[14:26] <Lungan> coz_, But is there anywhere I can choose size and so on on the dock?
[14:26] <dsathe> just clik on it itll drop down
[14:26] <coz_> Lungan,  ok  well,, if your system cant handle it,,, and from you mentioned it should work fine,, you can in stall  unity-2d  ,,, by the way   which video card is on that system?
[14:26] <DeathKnight> [TK]D-Fender, thanks for sympathy. :D
[14:27]  * ugisozols just booted into 11.04
[14:27] <ubuntutryout777> ok installing nvidia drivers right now
[14:27] <aLky> whats a fast mirror? (downloading with 60k atm and i dont think its my connection)
[14:27] <Incarus6> stupid ugisozols got a working 11.04 -.- :D
[14:27] <rgr> one in a hundred is pretty good for a Ubuntu release.
[14:27] <Flynsarmy> how do i revert to proper gnome?
[14:27] <ugisozols> damn me :P
[14:27] <coz_> ubuntutryout777,  dont forget to reboot the system after installing that driver :)
[14:27] <bercik_> Will my ubuntu beta update to release version automaticly?
[14:28] <bazhang> bercik_, yes
[14:28] <Incarus6> Flynsarmy, choose gnome at startup / login screen
[14:28] <trans> dsathe : there is no form factor option inside unity, only options available are "devices","launcher","panel"
[14:28] <bercik_> bazhang: thanks
[14:28] <ubuntutryout777> reboot the system? on a LIVE system?
[14:28] <Flynsarmy> Incarus6: thanks
[14:28] <_cory> is it worth upgrading to 11.04?
[14:28] <dsathe> dconf-editor
[14:28] <dsathe> not gconf
[14:28] <ikonia> _cory: your call
[14:28] <rgr> Flynsarmy: you wouldnt think to check the login dialog options?
[14:28] <coz_> ubuntutryout777,  you are installing the nvidia driver on a live session?
[14:28] <Incarus6> bercik_, yes, with apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:28] <dsathe> its very much dere
[14:28] <Gawwad> Hello, I'm on Ubuntu 10.4 and wanting to upgrade to 11.4 as I just read it was released. However, it's not listed in the update manager after refreshing. (I have it set to normal releases) Only 10.10 is shown. Am I missing something?
[14:28] <Flynsarmy> rgr: i wouldn't. i would have figured it'd be in appearance settings
[14:28] <coz_> ubuntutryout777,   let me know if it works
[14:28] <ubuntutryout777> yes, since i want to tryout ubunto, not install it on HDD
[14:29] <trans> dsathe : sorry for my dumb question, I got it
[14:29] <rgr> its far more than appearance its the entire DE.
[14:29] <_cory> ite I'm going for it lol
[14:29] <ubuntutryout777> ubuntu*
[14:29] <DJones> Gawwad: You have to upgrade to 10.10 before you can upgrade to 11.04
[14:29] <html_inprogress> hi
[14:29] <Flynsarmy> rgr: in addition search for 'unity' and you get a little window called 'launcher & menus' with 2 options on it. why was that not also in appearance. seems very hidden away
[14:29] <ecolitan> hello, is it possible to do the upgrade from the commandline?
[14:29] <Gawwad> Ok, thanks! Was sure you were able to upgrade from long term version to another :)
[14:29] <Pici> Gawwad: 11.04 is not LTS
[14:29] <DJKorbit> hi
[14:29] <html_inprogress> hio
[14:29] <Pici> ecolitan: Yes, do-release-upgrade.
[14:30] <ecolitan> ty Pici
[14:30] <DJones> Gawwad: You can from LTS to LTS, but 11.04 is a normal release and not an LTS
[14:30] <DJKorbit> i'm having trouble starting unity by default, even when choosing "Ubuntu" from gdm combobox
[14:30] <Gawwad> Oh, I thought all the x.04's were long term
[14:30] <Incarus6> Pici, that is also working with the desktop edition?
[14:30] <DJKorbit> how can i set unity as default?
[14:30] <Pici> Incarus6: Yes.
[14:30] <DeathKnight> so it doesn't come with gnome3... why?
[14:30] <Incarus6> Pici, thx
[14:30] <trans> ActionParsnip: whenever I click on dash it takes about 3 seconds for the dash to launch
[14:30] <html_inprogress> unity,whats that?
[14:30] <coz_> Gawwad,  no next lts is 12.04   april of 2012
[14:30] <rgr> because Ubuntu is branching more and more from mainline Linux desktops.
[14:31] <Gawwad> Thank you coz_
[14:31] <ubuntutryout777> ok, whats the command to restart x server?
[14:31] <DJones> Gawwad: 6.06, 8.04, 10.04 were LTS, about every 2 years between LTS versions
[14:31] <rgr> html_inprogress: a buggy attempt by canonical to tie people to Ubuntu.
[14:31] <Schoentoon> ubuntutryout777: usually sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart does the trick.
[14:31] <tieinv> 47b5d74bfe8352e95b9699
[14:31] <Pici> rgr: Lets try to stay on-topic here. this is a support channel.
[14:31] <ghufran> hi. i cannot download the latest release. link i get appears to be broken
[14:31] <ghufran> http://mirror-cybernet.lums.edu.pk/pub/ubuntu-releases//natty/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:31] <DeathKnight> i got problem with xorg in my laptop for ubuntu greater than 8.10 ... so am using backtrack right now.... even ubutnu 8.04 has problems. :(
[14:31] <dsathe> Schoentoon: kill x
[14:31] <coz_> Gawwad,  no problem ,, if you prefer LTS  then dont bother moving to this release,,
[14:32] <dsathe> go to tty
[14:32] <rgr> Pici: he asked a Q as to what unity is. I answered.
[14:32] <ghufran> is there any other mirror i can try?
[14:32] <Gawwad> So 10.4 is LTS but 11.4 is normal? But upgrading from 8.04 to 10.04 would work then?
[14:32] <ubuntutryout777> why does everything need to be so cryptic in the linux world :/
[14:32] <robertf> hello
[14:32] <Pici> Gawwad: Yes.
[14:32] <Schoentoon> dsathe: Not really a safe solution, but it can do the trick :P
[14:32] <Pici> !ot | ubuntutryout777
[14:32] <Gawwad> No I prefer the newest :)
[14:32] <robertf> i'm seeding 11.04 by torrent :)
[14:32] <Incarus6> DeathKnight, I remember 8.04 as unusuable ;)
[14:32] <dsathe> tty is safe olright
[14:32] <whoodat> Is there a page that shows known problems with hardware for 11.04?
[14:32] <DeathKnight> Incarus6, may i know why?
[14:32] <Gawwad> Thank for all the info, Pici, coz_ DJones! Bye
[14:32] <coz_> Gawwad,  yes and you can upgrade to 12.04  when it is release,, a direct upgrade from 10.4  ot 12.04
[14:32] <coz_> to
[14:32] <greg_72> hi there how can I query that a given file belongs to which package?
[14:32] <DeathKnight> Incarus6, or are you referring it is unusable now? :D
[14:33] <jatt> greg_72: dpkg -S
[14:33] <z0mbyk1d> how do i put something in a bash script that will run in parallel? for instance i have a script where i use mail to send a notice, but i don't want the parent script to get hung up with any problems
[14:33] <Incarus6> DeathKnight, no, 8.04 was unusable. I was using Debian at that time. It got better with 8.10
[14:33] <rgr> z0mbyk1d: google. "&".
[14:33] <z0mbyk1d> i want to be able to have the script exit but this mail task still be running if need be
[14:33] <h3roo> in term of CHMOD, SUID and SGID what does it meens? >>>>> 7000 >> in need the letters??????
[14:33] <z0mbyk1d> oh it's that simple?
[14:34] <aLky> found a fast mirror (university of kent)
[14:34] <ghufran> can anyone give me a working link to download 64bit 11.04 ? the only link i get from my location is broken..
[14:34] <rgr> yes. #bash.
[14:34] <DeathKnight> Incarus6, ok. i dont know.. the bt i am currently using is based on 8.10. performance is ok but KDE is bit irritating.
[14:34] <z0mbyk1d> thanks rgr
[14:34] <jatt> !mirror
[14:34] <Incarus6> someone know that error (I know it is german): 2011-04-28 13:45:38,575 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'E:Fehler: Unterbrechungen durch pkgProblemResolver::Resolve hervorgerufen; dies kÃ¶nnte durch gehaltene Pakete verursacht worden sein.'
[14:35] <z0mbyk1d> INFO: using unknown version '/usr/bin/python2.7' (debian_defaults not up-to-date?)
[14:35] <narf_> erm, finding quite a few bugs with this new ubuntu... if I minamize things, where does it 'go'
[14:35] <z0mbyk1d> saw this during my release-upgrade ^
[14:35] <narf_> Also most apps don't know how to install in the new 'launcher'
[14:35] <rgr> Incarus6: you're German?
[14:35] <Incarus6> rgr, correct. should I translate?
[14:35] <html_inprogress> rgr, what ever it is if you or some dont like it do something about it, this isnt "ms"
[14:35] <dob1> what a fail unity
[14:36] <rgr> Looks like dependency issues from here.
[14:36] <dsathe> dob1: its bettr of then shell
[14:36] <Lungan> Is it possible to change the size of the dock unity?
[14:36] <dsathe> at least for now
[14:36] <dsathe> lugkhast:
[14:36] <dsathe> srry
[14:36] <rgr> html_inprogress: what are you ranting about? Whats ms got to to with it? I am a FOSS programmer.
[14:36] <dsathe> Lungan:
[14:36] <Incarus6> rgr, yeah but Im not sure which package is causing that issue. Im installing ubuntu-desktop right now and hope that fixed it
[14:36] <Winkie> hey guys, i'm installing ubuntu through FAI, and it's currently hanging on 'updating the system logo'
[14:36] <dsathe> yess
[14:36] <Winkie> it shows the logo, but doesn't proceed any further into boot
[14:36] <dsathe> icon size in ccsm
[14:36] <Winkie> any suggestions on how to debug it?
[14:36] <coz_> Lungan,   as I recal  I dont think so,, there were plans to have it able to move anywhere on the screen but I think that was not included either
[14:37] <Lungan> coz_, Hmmm okey, there really is room for making the dock awesome in unity
[14:37] <dob1> dsathe: it's better the classic desktop, i know you can choose but don't put it as default if you want to make linux popoular, it's a fail
[14:37] <dsathe> hmm
[14:37] <dsathe> huge debate
[14:37] <coz_> Lungan,   I agree,, but I prefer cairo dock :)
[14:37] <dsathe> there
[14:37] <Flynsarmy> i thought i recalled a video on omg ubuntu where the left bar would disappear and only start appearing if you dragged your window near it. however i can't get it to disappear without maximizing my current window (a bad idea on a 24" monitor). any ideas?
[14:38] <Lungan> coz_, Cairo? I will check that ou
[14:38] <Incarus6> rgr, Do you know a way to find out, which packages are "hold"
[14:38] <rgr> is ubuntu with Unity as a default called UUbuntu? Ubuntu by definition is a gnome distro.
[14:38] <dsathe> Flynsarmy: yep autohide opts
[14:38] <coz_> Lungan,   cairo-dock    it should be in the repository
[14:38] <Flynsarmy> dsathe: how do you get to them?
[14:38] <dsathe> it is
[14:38] <Lungan> coz_, okok brb
[14:38] <jatt> not anymore
[14:38] <dob1> i don't understand, ubunty has a community, why they choice to put unity as default?  i don't think the community agree to this
[14:38] <jatt> ubuntu is now a unity distro
[14:38] <jatt> they should create a new distribution gubuntu
[14:39] <dsathe> Flynsarmy:
[14:39] <DeathKnight> gubuntu?
[14:39] <dsathe> in ccsm
[14:39] <rgr> No. They should leave it as it is and give a special name to the Unity distro.
[14:39] <jatt> lol
[14:39] <dsathe> unity plugin
[14:39] <bazhang> !ot | jatt rgr
[14:39] <dsathe> compiz is beter den mutter
[14:39] <coz_> jatt,  a new version  named   GTR  will be available at some point.. not through canonical,, it is   ubuntu gnome remix,, with gnome3 as default
[14:39] <dob1> they ruin the good work of the last years inho
[14:39] <dsathe> so disable unity if u dun like it
[14:39] <dsathe> its ony a plugin
[14:39] <bazhang> dob1, thats enough
[14:39] <rgr> bazhang: we are discussing ubuntu issues. Unity is one such.
[14:39] <pfarrell_> hi! is it possible to tell update-manager to download the packages for upgrading to natty now, and then use them to do the upgrade later?
[14:40] <bazhang> rgr, wrong place for it.
[14:40] <z0mbyk1d> pfarrell_: not that ive seen
[14:40] <jrib> rgr: this channel is meant for ubuntu *support*, #ubuntu-offtopic is a good place to discuss unity
[14:40] <z0mbyk1d> but maybe
[14:40] <dob1> dsathe: the normal user, the one that try linux for the first time doesn't understant what is that unity, it doesn't know how to disable, it saw this = this is linux
[14:40] <rgr> Why is it that the people with the least to contribute are the ones that chuck around the ops threats and power the most. Everything was perfectly friendly.
[14:40] <narf_> ok guys honestly this new ubuntu layout is screwed... anyway i can go back to the old layout... I can't find jack shit this way, things just 'dissapere'
[14:40] <Incarus6> How can I found out which packages are "hold" (or locked?) ?
[14:40] <asmogator> hello
[14:40] <dsathe> dob1: given
[14:40] <Flynsarmy> dob1: lol i've been using ubuntu for many years and i didn't know how to disable unity until someone told me
[14:40] <asmogator> does someone know a dyndns client for ubuntu on command line ?
[14:41] <Flynsarmy> dob1: i couldn't even figure out how to open the pidgin contact list - turns out its hidden away under the envelope icon
[14:41] <dob1> i don't get it, there was like a pool, a discussion about this,  how this come out?
[14:41] <LALALLAA> hi
[14:41] <nick> hi all
[14:41] <DJones> !info dyndns | asmogator
[14:41] <Incarus6> Flynsarmy, pidgin isn't the default IM software anymore
[14:42] <JoshuaL> asmogator, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS
[14:42] <coz_> asmogator,  maybe read here?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS
[14:42] <coz_> :)
[14:42] <Flynsarmy> Incarus6: i know but the bundled one is useless in every possible way
[14:42] <Guest31762> I have a second hard drive from OSX as my second drive and everything works but work let me write anything. I have tried alot to get the filepermissions fixed. The last thing is it says ivalid partion table
[14:42] <asmogator> THANK YOU :)
[14:42] <phoque_uni> wow, the Natty GUI is choppy as hell
[14:43] <Flynsarmy> phoque_uni: wait until you try to alt+tab
[14:43] <narf_> phoque_uni, how can I go back to the old look
[14:43] <z0mbyk1d> lol
[14:43] <coz_> phoque_uni,   out of curiosity,, which video card do you have ?
[14:43] <Incarus6> Flynsarmy, its the same in KDE, KDE doesn't want you to use any other instand messenger then Kopete
[14:43] <ciphergoth> I'm looking forward to trying Unity more than ever now :-)
[14:43] <soyo> So I am in the middle of upgrading to 11.04 (so if I disappear for a few days.. ;) Debconf is asking me if I want to keep the old grub but wouldn't that leave no option for booting into 11.04?
[14:43] <phoque_uni> Flynsarmy, narf_, I'm on Ubuntu Classic/Gnome
[14:43] <narf_> phoque_uni, nothing works, stuff just dissaperes
[14:43] <escott> Guest31762, examine the partition table with gdisk
[14:43] <coz_> narf_,   log off  change session to  classic gnome
[14:43] <narf_> tx
[14:43] <Guest31762> kk
[14:43] <z0mbyk1d> soyo: i would imagine so yes
[14:44] <TheRedOctober> I guess it is time to try out Natty...wish me luck
[14:44] <dob1> well i don't want to critic the work of other people, thanks for the work of ubuntu anyway, but just put this unity as an option not as default, that's all
[14:44] <phoque_uni> coz_, ATI 4870
[14:44] <Incarus6> TheRedOctober, I still try to install Natty :D
[14:44] <soyo> z0mbyk1d: I am guessing its asking me because it asks about any conf file..
[14:44] <ciphergoth> I need to install Ubuntu over the network. Do these instructions look right? http://www.techienote.com/2010/06/pxe-booting-lucid-lynx-ubuntu-10-04.html
[14:44] <coz_> phoque_uni,   ok  ,, I know too little about ati to be any use,,,
[14:44] <z0mbyk1d> soyo: yeah that question is always asked
[14:44] <bp0> so if you don't want to go to natty, is it better to go back to 10.04?
[14:44] <TheRedOctober> Incarus6: that is the sentiment around the office as well...
[14:45] <jatt> yes 10.04 is LTS and proven
[14:45] <soyo> z0mbyk1d: Should I try the merge.. lol j/k
[14:45] <coz_> bp0,  you can yes for sure since that is LTS
[14:45] <vabigoon> Hello, can you explain me what's that Unity?
[14:45] <jatt> if you want to play around then natty is ok
[14:45] <bp0> ok
[14:45] <jatt> unity is canonical's own desktop environment
[14:45] <coz_> vabigoon,    go to youtube.com    search for  ubuntu 11.0   or  ubuntu  Unity
[14:45] <Flynsarmy> vabigoon: it's a piece of software designed to get people outside more often
[14:45] <saml> hey, i clicked upgrade to 11.04.. and desktop is broken
[14:45] <jatt> so you have now gnome, kde, xfce and unity
[14:45] <Incarus6> TheRedOctober, :D I got some strange dependency errors. tell me if you have some issues with the installation
[14:45] <saml> looks like compiz is gone..
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> /etc/bash_completion.d <- is this new?
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> interesting, never noticed it before
[14:46] <Sterist> anyone have contact with www.psubuntu.com 's moderators?
[14:46] <coz_> saml,   no compiz is the compositor for Unity
[14:46] <Incarus6> saml, wait, you pressed the button and the desktop was suddenly broken?
[14:46] <escott> z0mbyk1d, within the last 3 years or so
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> great idea if it is what i think it is
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> lol ok
[14:46] <saml> Incarus6, yah
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> new rsyslog.conf, i'll have to merge in my tweaks
[14:46] <Omega> !ot | Flynsarmy
[14:46] <Incarus6> saml, you can try the comand line way
[14:46] <vabigoon> Ok, thank you, is that some Gnome modification or the completely new environment
[14:46] <z0mbyk1d> looks like the upgrade is nearly done
[14:46] <escott> z0mbyk1d, not sure when the /etc entry was introduced
[14:47] <saml> and the left column thingy  is weird.. leaving marks  like when windows is frozen and you move window...
[14:47] <Khr0n0s> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu 11.04 except when I tried to boot into it I got given an error message saying that my hardware isn't supported and that I'll be shown the classic environment. I have an ATI 5850 graphics card with the latest FGLRX drivers installed so I'm not sure why it's causing this. Anyone have any ideas?
[14:47] <escott> z0mbyk1d, you might consider installing etckeeper
[14:47] <coz_> vabigoon,  it is just a alternative   DE  environment ,, you can change it to classic gnome via sessions when you log in
[14:47] <jatt> completely new environment
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> Khr0n0s: is it an upgrade or a clean install?
[14:47] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, paste "/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p"
[14:47] <Khr0n0s> Upgrade
[14:48] <vibhav> downoloading torrent
[14:48] <cordoval_> I can't access ubuntu+1
[14:48] <Dr_Willis|2> Khr0n0s:  just guessing.. but i would think the fglrx driver is not working, or did not instal lproperly
[14:48] <phoque_uni> drop shadows are not done by Compiz anymore?
[14:48] <z0mbyk1d> smb.conf too
[14:48] <z0mbyk1d> show differences is ugly as hell
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> Khr0n0s: remove the proprietary driver, reboot, install the proprietary driver and reboot, should be ok
[14:48] <z0mbyk1d> and i can never interpret it
[14:48] <vibhav> Cannot join #ubuntu+1 (Channel is invite only).
[14:48] <z0mbyk1d> :/
[14:48] <vabigoon> thank you guys, So the next puzzle solved  ;D
[14:48] <cordoval_> anyone knows how to insert a second bar on top of the screen to have the regular applets that I had before?
[14:48] <Incarus6> Dr_Willis|2, I think it doesn't pass the unity test, he said he got that error
[14:48] <cordoval_> on natty
[14:48] <Dr_Willis|2> phoque_uni:  if the plugin is messing. it may be in the repso.
[14:48] <jatt> there are no applets in unity
[14:48] <arand> vibhav: It's just closed
[14:48] <freaky[t]> natty has been released yay :D
[14:48] <coz_> phoque_uni,  they should be ,, but if you want to be sure go to #compiz-dev and ask  smspillaz  the main developer
[14:48] <saml> how can I change workspace?
[14:48] <cordoval_> really?
[14:48] <thegoodcushion> Hi gang.  Anyone just downloaded 11.04 and want to express an opinion about it?  What about Unity?
[14:48] <jatt> yes
[14:48] <DJones> vibhav: There isn't a +1 version yet, so the channel is closed
[14:48] <cordoval_> how come?
[14:49] <cordoval_> where to go
[14:49] <jatt> no applets no panels
[14:49] <cordoval_> how to upgrade?
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> saml: ctrl+alt+cursors
[14:49] <FloodBot2> cordoval_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:49] <JuJuBee> Do any music players manage playlists on iPod's yet?
[14:49] <dscastro> hi..
[14:49] <echo2> hi.
[14:49] <Omega> vibhav: It will be open when oneiric opens.
[14:49] <Khr0n0s> unity_support_test gave  No such file or directory
[14:49] <saml> ActionParsnip, don't work with 11.04
[14:49] <cordoval_> please tell me what I do to get it
[14:49] <echo2> how do I use unity in vmware?
[14:49] <coz_> DJones,  that channel will be availabe in about a week or 2
[14:49] <cordoval_> I already am on natty but not the latest
[14:49] <dscastro> trying do upgrade to 11 i'm getting errors
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> saml: then you will need to expand the number of desktops in ccsm
[14:49] <saml> i want to have only one workspace
[14:49] <saml> ccsm?
[14:49] <Dr_Willis|2> dscastro:  servers may be overloaded right now.
[14:49] <Omega> dscastro: The servers are overloaded.
[14:49] <TheRedOctober> Incarus6: the update failed outright, unable to calculate space (no exception or anything, just loudly failed)
[14:49] <Dr_Willis|2> !ccsm | saml
[14:49] <echo2> is there a support chan
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> saml: yes, set the horizontal and vertical workplace value to 1
[14:50] <saml> Dr_Willis|2, 11.04 is not compiz
[14:50] <dscastro> Dr_Willis|2, errors about packages
[14:50] <echo2> is there a support chan
[14:50] <saml> compiz is gone
[14:50] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, uhm, and you got unity installed?
[14:50] <cordoval_> no it is not
[14:50] <Omega> echo2: I don't know about VMware, but I saw a guide for virtualbox.
[14:50] <Dr_Willis|2> saml:  unity is running on top of compiz. and has compiz plugins..
[14:50] <MohammadAG> I'll ask again, is there a way to upgrade without update-manager?
[14:50] <echo2> link me, omega
[14:50] <Incarus6> TheRedOctober, nice. can you paste /var/log/dist-upgrade/ files?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> saml: then you need to reinstate 3D accelleration
[14:50] <Dr_Willis|2> saml:  at least it did last week when i was playing with it.
[14:50] <LukasIgnat> how to upgrade from beta to final release?
[14:50] <escott> saml, think you are confusing with gnome3, unity does use compiz
[14:50] <Omega> echo2: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/heads-up-unity-working-with-the-lastest-virtualbox/
[14:50] <echo2> thanks
[14:50] <coz_> LukasIgnat,   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> LukasIgnat: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -y upgrade
[14:50] <DaSinge> What is wrong: http://paste.ubuntu.com/600274/
[14:51] <Khr0n0s> I just did a standard upgrade :S
[14:51] <saml> ActionParsnip, how can I do that?
[14:51] <saml> reinstate 3d acceleration
[14:51] <vibhav> 61 percent!
[14:51] <Khr0n0s> But it looks like unity-common wasn't installed...
[14:51] <Incarus6> kr0n0s, gnome or kde or something else?
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> saml: what video chip are you using?
[14:51] <vibhav> Khr0n0s whats the problem guys?
[14:51] <saml> ActionParsnip, it is ATI
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> saml: which model?
[14:51] <saml> and I'm using Additional Drivers
[14:51] <vibhav> saml whats the problem?
[14:52] <z0mbyk1d> weird it didnt ask me about the postfix config which is definitely locally modified
[14:52] <escott> DaSinge, please talk to #bash overloaded by 11.04 questions here
[14:52] <z0mbyk1d> does that package handle upgrades?
[14:52] <DaSinge> ok
[14:52] <saml> how can I find out my video chip?
[14:52] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, are you in gnome right now?
[14:52] <escott> saml, lspci
[14:52] <LALALLAA> hi
[14:52] <Khr0n0s> incarus6, yes
[14:52] <saml> vibhav, desktop is funky. left column taskbar thingy is funky
[14:52] <Dr_Willis|2> saml:  you could try rerunning the addationa-drivers tool
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> saml: remove the driver, reboot, install the driver then reinstall the driver
[14:52] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, unity is saying my hardware isn't installed
[14:52] <ChrisGagnon> saml: you can use 'lshw -C display'
[14:53] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, sorry tired. *compatible
[14:53]  * ToeKutter is downloading now... <panting in antisipation>
[14:53] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, That error tells you, that you can't use Unity. are you planning to use Unity?
[14:53] <saml> 0f:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 68a9
[14:53] <euclid> upgrading!
[14:53] <vibhav> Khr0n0s refer to this to find about your video card b
[14:53] <vibhav> Khr0n0s refer to this to find about your video card http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-tell-which-graphics-vga-card-installed/
[14:54] <Khr0n0s> incarus6, hopefully. Don't see how my hardware isn't compatible since I only bought the graphics card last year (ATI 5850)
[14:54] <saml> that sucks.. this graphic gard is pretty good card
[14:54] <evdvelde> hi all, i installed Natty and now my bluetooth mighty mouse does not respond to clicks, scrolling works... any ideas?
[14:54] <saml> thankfuly i still have display
[14:54] <saml> ubuntu upgrade is always  a mess for graphics
[14:54] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, 5850 ATI
[14:54] <Incarus6> khr0n0s, Unity is a new desktop which isn't completly stable yet
[14:55] <jubei_> hello i am trying to setup a home gateway/router, i am running ubuntu 10.04 server, i have 2 NICs eth1  dials PPPoE to mweb, and eth0 goes to a switch. I have setup DHCP on eth0 to dish out IPs to clients plugged into the switch.from the server i can ping out to internet locations, and i can also ping clients on the switch, from clients i can ping the server, however, from the clients i cant
[14:55] <euclid> after I upgrade will unity take over?
[14:55] <jubei_> ping internet locations, ie i can't get past the gateway. what do i need to setup on the gateway/router server to allow clients to get outside?
[14:55] <vibhav> Khr0n0s what does the prblem say?
[14:55] <saml> euclid, don't upgrade
[14:55] <Incarus6> How can I fix "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.?
[14:55] <Incarus6> "
[14:55] <euclid> why?
 http://fossplanet.com/f10/%5Bbug-700292%5D-%5Bnew%5D-bluetooth-keybord-after-natty-upgrade-not-working-92191/index2.html
[14:55] <farciarz84> hi, which technology canonical uses to build ubuntu.com?
[14:56] <avatar_> Hi guys, party on!
[14:56] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, It seems that you do not have the hardware required to run Unity. Please choose Ubuntu Classic at the login screen and you will be using the traditional environment.
[14:56] <rcconf> Why Ubuntu torrent is so damn slow?
 what is the graphic card memory?
[14:56] <coz_> rcconf,  because a gazillion people are using it ?
[14:56] <z0mbyk1d> [14:56] <rcconf> !party
[14:56] <escott> jubei_, do you have dnsmasq configured (NAT)
[14:56] <z0mbyk1d> w00t! waiting on the reboot
[14:56] <moshe_> rcconf allow more peers to be connected
[14:56]  * z0mbyk1d crosses fingers
[14:56] <euclid> after I upgrade will unity take over?
[14:56] <Dr_Willis|2> rcconf:  the torrent is quite quick here.
[14:56] <Khr0n0s> vibhav, 1GB. it's a mid/upper end graphics card
[14:56] <jatt> euclid: yes
[14:56] <JuJuBee> jubei_: may  I pm you?
[14:56] <andeeeuk> hey
[14:57] <euclid> fuck
 yes
[14:57] <jatt> lol
[14:57] <coz_> euclid,  as long as your drivers are installed ,, yes
[14:57] <rcconf> maxium peers is 60 here
 must be some bug.. lemme see
[14:57] <Pici> euclid: mind your language please.
[14:57] <evdvelde> vibhav: sounds similar, thoug it is with keyboard
[14:57] <andeeeuk> has anyone updated to 11.04 from repo yet?
[14:57] <rcconf> it's not a client problem. i download other stuff at full speed
[14:57] <euclid> sorry
[14:57] <Pici> euclid: And no, you can pick which desktop envornment you want.
[14:57] <z0mbyk1d> i like how it spawns a screen for the upgrade
[14:57] <z0mbyk1d> fancy
[14:57] <Dr_Willis|2> rcconf:  got 70 seeds and 300 peers here.
[14:57] <Elie-Tucan> Hi everyone, could someone point me the mono icons guidelines please, I can't find them ?
[14:57] <moshe_> rcconf it might be torrent spesific properties too
[14:57] <jubei_> escott: i have read up on many tutorials about what i need to set in, and none seem to work. I want to now backtrack a little and do some reading on networking and how it all works: could you point me in the right direction? ie. read up about "dnsmasq" - read about "ip masquesrading" - read up about "routing table"
[14:57] <arand> euclid: You can easily choose classic at the login screen to not use it
[14:57] <euclid> Pici, really?
[14:58] <Pici> euclid: Yes, really.
[14:58] <euclid> :)
[14:58] <rcconf> 50 peers
 try to post it in the ubuntu fourms
[14:58] <rcconf> 2.905 seeders
[14:58] <farciarz84> which web framework canonical uses to build ubuntu.com?
[14:58] <Dr_Willis|2> getting 1.4mb/sec on the torrent.
[14:58] <escott> jubei_, assuming addresses on the eth0 subnet are not valid inet addresses (192.168.* or 10.10.*) you need to use NAT dnsmasq to allow the traffic to get back to them, you could have a route out, but nothing back in
[14:59] <JuJuBee> jubei_: you need to tell your server to do ip forwarding... change the 0 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to a 1
[14:59] <Younder> is dapper out yet?
[14:59] <rcconf> 403kb/s damn slow
[14:59] <escott> jubei_, JuJuBee asked for a pm i think
[14:59] <psalden> there isn't some channel dedicated to the gnome3 ppa, is there?
[14:59] <rcconf> Dr_Willis|2: it's peers thing
[14:59] <OfficiallyPC> How to convert an .ogv video to .avi?
[14:59] <Dr_Willis|2> OfficiallyPC:  ffmpeg, mencoder,. or front ends to those apps
[14:59] <jubei_> JuJuBee, i did that but it didnt allow the clients to get past the gateway
[14:59] <Sc0tt> OfficiallyPC, use avidemux
[15:00] <mbeierl> OfficiallyPC: ffmpeg can, but I find Handbrake to be more flexible
[15:00] <rcconf> 2mb/s
[15:00] <jubei_> escott: i have a network map with ip's on and such in jpg, could you suggest a place to upload and then u can see?
[15:00] <rcconf> but it's very unstable
[15:00] <JuJuBee> jubei_: also did you change the value in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[15:00] <kl_> Anyone know how to remove the little resize icon on each windows?
[15:00] <escott> !pastebin | jubei_
  Install WinFF from Ubuntu Software Center
[15:00] <jubei_> JuJuBee, i changed it there and then did sysctl -p to restart it
[15:00] <euclid> jubei_, imgur
[15:00] <JuJuBee> jubei_: ok, what about iptables?
[15:01] <moshe_> oh wow why is my latency so high in this server
[15:01] <JuJuBee> jubei_: do you have firewall rules preventing?
[15:01] <Elie-Tucan> Hi everyone, could someone point me to the mono icons guidelines please, I can't find them ?
[15:01] <victorhugo289> Guys, to download the new Ubuntu torrent, is it "ubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent" or "ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent"?
[15:01] <ChogyDan> !alternate | victorhugo289
[15:02] <Dr_Willis|2> victorhugo289:  alternate is a text based installer.. eitehr can work
[15:02] <victorhugo289> My computer is desktop, 32 bit, I use Alternate? ok
[15:02] <chchatzop> can i change unity?
[15:02] <victorhugo289> thanks!
 to upgrade use alternate CD to make a fresh install use desktop one
[15:02] <Sterist> has anyone heard if any development on ubuntu for playstation 3 has resumed?
[15:02] <saml> hey, in unity, how can I reduce number of workspaces?
[15:02] <saml> I only need one workspace
[15:02] <escott> saml, ccsm
[15:02] <rcconf> 3 mb/s now
[15:02] <victorhugo289> I want to do a fresh Install
[15:02] <tomasz> tu change unity !! logout and change on down screen
[15:02] <victorhugo289> I use Desktop then?
[15:03] <kl_> Anyone know how to remove the little resize icon on the lower right on each windows?
[15:03] <o_> hi , xubuntu 11.04 is not announced in distrowatch. Is it released?
[15:03] <rcconf> o_: #xubuntu
[15:03] <escott> victorhugo289, yes and if the installer fails to boot try the alternate
[15:03] <davzie> Apparantly the Queen said to Kate Middleton, two things to remember, always wear a seatbelt and don't piss me off.
[15:03] <victorhugo289> ok
[15:03] <saml> no.. ccsm doesn't work... Win+n  does not negative window.. it opens dash board
[15:03] <jubei_> JuJuBee/Escott: I am so lost with all of this - i dont know how all the different parts (packetforwarding/dnsmasq/iptables/route -n) work together to produce the result, i have no understanding and am blindly entering commands and hoping they work, I want to understand, any books/links/resources you have in this regard would be amazing!! map of network : http://imagebin.org/150608
[15:03] <moshe_> rcconf what did you do to fix it?
[15:03] <vibhav> saml refer to http://www.streamreader.org/askubuntu/questions/34572/how-can-i-reduce-or-increase-the-number-of-workspaces-in-unity
[15:04] <escott> jubei_, the tldp may have some good docs
[15:04] <waldir> I just upgraded to natty and I want to re-enable the world map in the time/date. How can I do that?
[15:04] <LALALLAA> hi
[15:04] <LALALLAA> which ubuntu should i install ?
[15:04] <rcconf> moshe_: stopped other torrents, limited upload speed to half, and changed number of peers
[15:04] <jubei_> yeah i been reading tldp but they mostly out of date, and they are howto style - just tell you what to do no explaining what it does ... :(
[15:04] <alakoo> LALALLAA: how about 11.04
[15:04] <Ruuuumb0> LALALLAA: Hi
[15:04] <Ruuuumb0> LALALLAA: english%irc.freenode.com
[15:04] <Ruuuumb0> ups
[15:04] <jubei_> i think i need a basic-advanced networking type book
[15:05] <saml> vibhav, thanks
[15:05] <JuJuBee> jubei_: see my pm
[15:05] <Ruuuumb0> LALALLAA: "ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso
[15:05] <vibhav> saml No problem!
[15:05] <hinogi> okay I have some kind of wireless issue. I cannot optain an ip from my router if I use wicd. if I use the network-manager no wireless networks show up. iwlist lists the wireless networks nonetheless.
[15:05] <hinogi> and wicd does too
[15:05] <LALALLAA> no i dont like  11.04
[15:05] <zorion> hi ererybody
[15:05] <LALALLAA> .
[15:05] <rcconf> LALALLAA: #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:06] <kl_> Anyone know how to remove the little resize icon on the lower right on each windows?
[15:06] <Dr_Willis|2> klaas:  thats part of the theme i thought.
[15:06] <vibhav> kl_ you using ubuntu 11.04
[15:06] <kl_> vibhav: yes
[15:06] <andeeeuk> has anyone completed an update to 11.04 from the repo?
[15:06] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_ you mean the resize handel>
[15:07] <vibhav> ok
[15:07] <Ruuuumb0> vibhav:  ubuntu 11.04 released ?
[15:07] <hinogi> is there away to see the communication between my wlan card and the router?
[15:07] <Dr_Willis|2> andeeeuk:  servers may be overloaded at this time.
[15:07] <vibhav> Ruuuumb0 yes
[15:07] <escott> hinogi, ntop
[15:07] <rcconf> Ruuuumb0: yes.
[15:07] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: Could be it it looks like a transparent triangle
[15:07] <Ruuuumb0> Cool !
[15:07] <[Dmitry]1> Hello. Question 1) There is a Russian? 2) Who collects the deb packages?
[15:07] <andeeeuk> ok thanks
[15:07] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:  that the window decorations theme part then.
[15:07] <Ruuuumb0> Go to upgrade )
[15:07] <escott> !ru | [Dmitry]1
[15:07] <ToeKutter> super easy installer.. sweet
[15:07] <andeeeuk> have been having problems with any updates
[15:07] <hinogi> then I'd need network connection first I guess
[15:07] <banished> How do I move windows to another Desktop with unity?
[15:08] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: you know how to remove it then?
[15:08] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_ change your theme perhaps
[15:08] <Sterist> this is a very low-profile release on the ubuntu website.... you cannot find anything saying 11.04 Released
[15:08] <vibhav> kl_ can you further explain?
[15:08] <[Dmitry]1> escott: thx captain
[15:08] <escott> banished, click on the workspace switcher and drag them
[15:08] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: can't I modify the theme?
[15:08] <Pr070cal> anyone know how to configure ufw ?
[15:08] <vibhav> why does ubuntu.com has a dell laptop that hides all the text?
[15:08] <kl_> vibhav: on the lower right you see a triangle
[15:08] <chchatzop> where do i find all the preferences and settings in unity?
[15:08] <rcconf> Pr070cal: yes
[15:08] <moshe_> does 11.4 includes gnome 3?
[15:08] <escott> Pr070cal, gufw
[15:08] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_ You could make your own theme i imagine.
[15:09] <[Dmitry]1> moshe_: no
[15:09] <cyberkilla> moshe_, I don't think so.
[15:09] <banished> escott: is there no more convenient way?
[15:09] <vibhav> kl_ yes
[15:09] <escott> moshe_, no, there is a ppa, but it breaks lots of stuff
[15:09] <vibhav> why does ubuntu.com has a dell laptop that hides all the text?
[15:09] <Incarus6> moshe_ no, 2.30 http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/gnome
[15:09] <arand> banished: ctrl+alt+shift+arrowkeys
[15:09] <escott> banished, right click on the title bar and say move to... its still compiz so all the old gnome2 methods should work
[15:09] <[Dmitry]1> Who here is engaged in building packages?
[15:10] <vibhav> 19 minutes letf!
[15:10] <vibhav> 19 minutes left!
[15:10] <dajhorn> vibhav: It is probably a web site bug.  I can see it too.
[15:10] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: you know where the theme files are located?
[15:10] <Dr_Willis|2> !changtheme | kl_
[15:10] <moshe_> thanks
[15:10] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: found it
[15:10] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:   Not really. the gnome-look site has themnes you could look at and figure out how to modify.
[15:11] <Incarus6> dajhorn, http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new
[15:11] <Pici> [Dmitry]1: #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-packaging, also see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[15:11] <Dr_Willis|2> I tend to just pick a simple theme and thats it.
[15:11] <banished> arand, escott ok, I was hoping I could somehow just drag it to the other workspace instead of half maximizing it
[15:11] <kl_> Dr_Willis|2: you know the exact name for the size tingie?
[15:11] <[Dmitry]1> Pici: Thx you.
 is it possible to get it though?
[15:11] <chchatzop> how do i access the equivalent of "system" at unity?
[15:11] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:  nope.
[15:11] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips?
[15:11] <Dr_Willis|2> kl_:  other then 'resize handel' perhaps
[15:11] <arand> chchatzop: Through the shutdown menu
[15:11] <Incarus6> moshe_, yes, over ppa's, escott said that
[15:12] <chchatzop> arand: thx
[15:12] <dr0id> well
[15:12] <Incarus6> moshe_, http://blog.mypapit.net/2011/04/installing-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal.html
[15:12] <dr0id> how to know which OS I am using exactly ?
[15:12] <dr0id> uname -a doesn't tell me really :P
[15:12] <Pr070cal> escott: i tried ufw, but im having problems denying all out and in then allow 80 out
[15:12] <ChogyDan> dr0id: lsb_release -a
[15:12] <escott> Pr070cal, have you tried gufw gui
[15:13] <dr0id> it's not ubuntu, so says command not found
[15:13] <avij> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download links to http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-netbook-i386.iso.torrent , but the latter link gives me a 404. problem?
[15:13] <Pici> dr0id: And you're asking for support in #ubuntu?
 thank you very much for your time sir.
[15:13] <Sylphid> Pr070cal,  why are you denying out?
[15:13] <dr0id> not sure where to ask, well will move on to #linux then :)
[15:13] <dr0id> thanks anyway
[15:13] <Incarus6> moshe_, your welcome
[15:14] <Dr_Willis|2> dr0id:  if it follows the standards   lsb_release -1
[15:14] <Dr_Willis|2> dr0id:  if it follows the standards   lsb_release -a I mean...
[15:14] <dr0id> -bash: lsb_release: command not found
[15:14] <jay_> hello everyone
[15:14] <Incarus6> avij, a netbook version doesnt exist: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.04/
[15:14] <Pici> avij: there is no separate netbook release. I'll see about getting that link fixed though.
[15:14] <dr0id> lsb_release and uname are the first things I try :)
[15:14] <chchatzop> can i get back to gnome?
[15:14] <Dr_Willis|2> dr0id:  time to start digging in etc then  i guess.
[15:14] <Pr070cal> Sylphid: so its restictive setup like i had firestarter
[15:15] <escott> chchatzop, ubuntu classic/gnome classic from the gdm login screen
[15:15] <chchatzop> thanks
[15:15] <Pr070cal> Sylphid: i dont want data sent out unless i allow it
[15:15] <jatt> no love for unity
[15:15] <jdahm> does the ubuntu installer support pre-configured mdadm raid arrays?
[15:15] <Sylphid> Pr070cal, make sure you are adding your related, established rules
[15:15] <jnye> can anyone help? upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 now just boots to an ubuntu logo and 5 red dots and doesn't go any further? virtualbox 4.0.6 on windows host
[15:15] <dr0id> cat /etc/issue Dr_Willis|2 :)
[15:15] <dr0id> centos 5.5
[15:15] <chchatzop> didnt like it
[15:16] <apriliyanus> is upgrading
[15:16] <Squall5668> jnye: boot in recovery mode to see where the problem is
[15:16] <Pr070cal> Sylphid: i deny out to all and allow 80 but it doesnt work
[15:16] <jnye> Squall5668: any details on how to do that? is there a key combo or something?
[15:16] <Sylphid> Pr070cal, dont forget that connections use random source port
[15:17] <bakanub> Somehow natty doesnt like my notebook. Native resolution is 1280x800, but Natty only allows me to choose 1024x768 (the rest is simply cropped). VGA is an integrated intel mobile gm965/gl960. Liveusb and a clean install gives the same result... What to do?
[15:17] <rcconf> prey
[15:17] <Squall5668> jnye it asks you at boot, in the grub menu, if you cant see the grub menu press ESC
[15:17] <kornicameister>  I need to establish logging the events from the network via rsyslog, I had already added appropriate lines into rsyslog.conf, by these lines I mean the line which loads the module listing on the tcp port and added my own ruleset to it
[15:17] <kornicameister> but it does not work
[15:18] <Sylphid> hey all....having a problem with front panel audio, if i start audio it everything defaults to rear panel however if i run aplay /some/audio.wav and start another track durring the aplay it goes to the front panel, any tips?
[15:18] <hinogi> well ntop only works with established network connection but I don't get there with my wlan thats why I need a monitor that showes me why I don't get a connection
[15:19] <sam-_-> how can i install gnome 3? (and gnome-shell)? just via ppa?
[15:19] <avij> Pici: thanks. not that I'd be needing a netbook version, but I just happened to notice that there's a mistake.
[15:19] <Squall5668> hinogi google: packet sniffing
[15:19] <Pici> avij: Sure. Thanks for letting us know.
[15:19] <Incarus6> AAAAAAAAAAAGHAHA.. i cant upgrade
[15:19] <Sylphid> Pr070cal, you could also try logging the connection drops to debunk where they are getting dropped
[15:20] <Incarus6> Pici, if upgrade fails, do you recommend to fix it or a fresh installation?
[15:20] <escott> hinogi, sorry didn't realize you meant montior MODE
[15:20] <bakanub> sam-_-, yes
[15:20] <vibhav> Pici I recommend a fresh install
[15:20] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: how did it fail?
[15:20] <_empty> Just me having problems installing the new ubuntu? Booting from cd?
[15:20] <hinogi> anyone else having problems with broadcom wireless and ubuntu 11.04?
[15:20] <sam-_-> bakanub: why didn't they include gnome 3? i thought it's stable
[15:20] <Bovola> ciao
[15:20] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages."
[15:21] <Doonz> Hey guys is there a way when using the cp command to see what the transfer speed is going at or a status on the file being compied?
[15:21] <Bovola> !list
[15:21] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: I think we can debug that
[15:21] <vibhav> http://paste.ubuntu.com/600285/
[15:21] <riktking> hinogi: hve u tried updating it? i have always had issues with broadcom addaptors, but there is an installer
[15:21] <ChogyDan> Incarus6: I don't think the upgrade started yet
[15:21] <Incarus6> ChogyDan, ok, thank you. It could be related with xorg
[15:21] <thegoodcushion> anyone want to say what they think of 11.04?  What about Unity?