[17:25] <Tm_T> quiet day today
[17:28] <m4v> olaaaaaaaa!
[17:28] <leche> hehe
[17:28] <leche> Tm_T: you like the noisy ones more?
[17:36] <Tm_T> leche: more used to
[17:55] <m4v> ola? :(
[18:01] <leche> hola m4v :)
[18:37] <m4v> :)
[22:19] <erUSUL> what have genii done????
[22:25] <bazhang> luxii had already left
[22:25] <bazhang> (or been removed, rather) so script registered null
[22:29] <erUSUL> bazhang: i read it in #ubuntu :) bad script anyway .... (maybe auto_bleh does that too?)
[22:29]  * erUSUL goes to check
[22:29] <erUSUL> -!- Irssi: Unable to find nick: oscar
[22:29] <bazhang> erUSUL, not sure, never happened that broad (though I did once ban most of Canada)
[22:29] <erUSUL> good old irssi
[22:30] <erUSUL> bazhang: :)
[22:30] <bazhang> hehe
[22:31] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[22:32] <jdong> how do you turn off irssi's tab-to-complete-last-/msg option?


[10:16] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: my bug wishlist ubuntu-docs has been pushed patched :p https://imgur.com/a/LROBJ6b to 19.10


[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:01] <ev> herrow
[15:01] <doko> hi
[15:02] <stokachu> oh harooooo
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jun 12 15:02:24 2013 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:02] <slangasek> stokachu slangasek bdmurray doko stgraber ev barry jodh cjwatson xnox
[15:02] <ev> wooo, time
[15:03] <bdmurray> I will type slowly to bide you time
[15:03] <stokachu> i just got one bug on the list bug 962046
[15:03] <stokachu> the sru template is in the comment but ill move it to the description in a min
[15:03]  * xnox quickly runs to generate a cup of coffee
[15:03] <stokachu> done.
[15:05] <slangasek> stokachu: is the bug still applicable to saucy?  It's marked 'triaged'
[15:05] <stokachu> dosaboy: ^
[15:05] <slangasek> stokachu: and this is at the "Needs upload sponsorship" stage for the SRUs?
[15:05] <ev> bdmurray: :D
[15:06] <stokachu> slangasek: as far as im told they are waiting on upload as well
[15:06] <stokachu> if i dont hear from dosaboy in the next hour ill double check saucy status
[15:06] <slangasek> ok
[15:07] <slangasek> anyone here want to pick those up for SRU sponsorship?
[15:08] <xnox> i can
[15:08] <stgraber> slangasek: I'll do it once we know that it's indeed fixed in saucy
[15:08] <slangasek> xnox got there first :)
[15:08] <slangasek> xnox: thanks :)
[15:08] <slangasek>  * seem to have fixed my kernel swap death issue now by disabling /tmp on tmpfs - thanks, xnox!
[15:08] <slangasek>  * working with Phonedations team on the container flip - udev vs. ueventd, partitioning questions
[15:08] <slangasek>  * established a regular biweekly sync with the QA team to keep aligned on priorities
[15:08] <slangasek>  * prep for Plumbers and for the upcoming client sprint
[15:08] <slangasek> (done)
[15:09] <stokachu> slangasek: is that ods in nov?
[15:09] <bdmurray> uploaded update-manager to S after making it no longer check for auto-launch
[15:09] <bdmurray> uploaded update-notifier to S removing auto-launch key again
[15:09] <bdmurray> searched ubuntu archive using ubuntu-security-tools for update-notifier auto-launch usage
[15:09] <bdmurray> tested bug 981461 regarding WoL
[15:09] <bdmurray> research into ubuntu-drivers-common / nvidia problem seen on errors
[15:09] <bdmurray> errors - redesign of bucketsystems column family
[15:09] <bdmurray> submitted merge proposals for daisy, oops-repository, errors
[15:09] <bdmurray> fixed 'All versions' being missing from the versions table in errors
[15:09] <bdmurray> fixed an OOPS with errors
[15:09] <slangasek> stokachu: Plumbers is in September; the client sprint is a tech-lead-y, manager-y meeting at the end of July
[15:10] <stokachu> ah
[15:10] <bdmurray> fixed a unicode issue with errors
[15:10] <bdmurray> email to ubuntu bug control regarding error tracker
[15:10] <bdmurray> merge proposal for change-override to set the phased_update_percentage
[15:10] <bdmurray> tested Phased-Update-Percentage=0 and Always-Install-Phased-Updates apt option
[15:10] <bdmurray> improvements to my phased-updater code
[15:10] <bdmurray> irc discussion and investigation into bug 982082 with barry
[15:10] <bdmurray> done‼
[15:11] <doko> - updated cross compilers
[15:11] <doko> - fixed cross build of native compiler
[15:11] <doko> - binutils update to the trunk, updated cross binutils
[15:11] <doko> - preparing gcc upload using new binutils
[15:11] <doko> - preparing first test rebuild of saucy
[15:11] <doko> - arm64 stage0 bringup, together with cjwatson
[15:11] <doko> (done)
[15:11] <stgraber> slangasek: I hope to find some time this week to look at the container flip again, last week I was mostly stuck on issues related to read-only / and the Android container behind a bit unhappy about this (ueventd wouldn't start, so SF would fail to start and the container would die taking the system with it)
[15:11] <xnox> doko: when will that rebuild start? weekend?
[15:12] <doko> I hope so. need to upload that gcc
[15:12] <dosaboy> stokachu: bug just says precise and quantal but is quite old so maybe we should apply to saucy too?
[15:13] <stgraber> Blueprint-related work:
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Image based updates (BLUEPRINT: foundations-1305-image-based-updates)
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Waiting on review of the GPG implementation plan, need to get the keys generated and signed after that.
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Waiting for IS to setup the image based update server.
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Implemented xz compression/decompression functions in the server code
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Implemented GPG keys generation, keyring generation and file signature functions in the server code
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Good progress on the publishing code (generation of channels.json, index.json and individual update publication)
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Registered a new LP project (ubuntu-system-image) and team to store all the code related to image based upgrades
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Clarified some details in the specs
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Discussed OEM/carrier customizations and how that'll work with image based updates
[15:13] <xnox> dosaboy: how does one exactly test this? should I start an instance in ec2? cause just running the testcase script here locally, simply hangs indefinately.
[15:13] <stgraber> Other work:
[15:13] <stgraber>  - release/cdimage
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Some follow-up e-mails on ~ubuntu-sru expiration of some current members
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Ubuntu touch
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Some more discussions on partitioning and containers
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Discussed OMA with asac and lool
[15:13] <stgraber>  - LXC
[15:13] <stgraber>   - Usual code reviews
[15:13] <stgraber>  - Got bored of my laptop wasting a lot of CPU keeping thunderbird happy, so switched back to offlineimap+mutt, still tweaking the configs so poke me if you see something that doesn't look right (encoding, gpg signature, source address, ...)
[15:13] <stgraber>
[15:14] <stgraber> TODO:
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Try and get the rest of the image updates server tools implemented and tested so they are ready to be used once we have the server online and the keys generated
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Follow-up with the phonedation team on getting the container fliped images to use a read-only rootfs and use the planned partition layout
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Finish self-rebuilds feature implementation on nusakan
[15:14] <stgraber>  - Process some pending merges (ifupdown and resolvconf)
[15:14] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:14] <ev> - Small bug fixes to our back population jobs (that are still falling over -
[15:14] <ev>   working with gnuoy to find out what is sending them SIGKILL).
[15:14] <ev> - Investigating the retracers all falling over because all the Cassandra
[15:14] <ev>   connections went away. Discussed with Tom and decided to increase the timeout
[15:14] <ev>   for individual connections (it was silly-low) and provide better metrics on
[15:14] <ev>   connection failures.
[15:14] <ev> - Fixed our usage on txstatsd reporting into Graphite, with help from sidnei.
[15:14] <ev>   We now have graphs of pycassa connection creations, failures, and disposals.
[15:14] <ev>   This should really help debug some of the "OMG every node is telling us to
[15:14] <ev>   go away" problems we see from time to time, especially on the retracers:
[15:14] <ev>   https://graphite.engineering.canonical.com/render/?width=1129&height=614&_salt=1371049545&target=statsd.whoopsie-daisy.daisy.cassandra_connection_failures.rate&from=-48hours
[15:14] <ev> - More discussion with the server team on error reporting. Making the case for
[15:14] <ev>   a default option in the d-i module of, "Yes, I'd like to help make Ubuntu
[15:14] <ev>   better by turning on automatic error reporting."
[15:14] <ev> - Lots of investigation around why Keystone is *still* throwing 403s at us
[15:14] <ev>   throughout the day when writing core dumps into Swift. We've got myself, the
[15:14] <ev>   GSAs, webops, and U1 looking into it now, so hopefully we'll have a solution
[15:14] <ev>   soon.
[15:14] <ev> - Made my biggest changes to lp:canonical-memento yet, removing HAProxy from in
[15:14] <ev>   front of the Cassandra nodes:
[15:14] <ev>   https://rt.admin.canonical.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=62027
[15:14] <ev> - Discussions with legal on giving Kees access to the error reporting data for
[15:14] <ev>   the purposes of hunting security vulnerabilities. Now have an amended
[15:14] <ev>   document written, just waiting for the signatories to return from events.
[15:14] <ev> - Code review for Brian.
[15:14] <ev> - Our usual review process failed quite spectacularly for some changes in
[15:14] <ev>   support of phased updates. Shepherded some quick fixes through with the help
[15:14] <ev>   of webops, but there was a deeper problem.
[15:14] <ev> - In investigating what was going wrong with the above, finally hooked the unit
[15:14] <ev>   tests for oops-repository up to Tarmac (so we have a safety net for human
[15:14] <ev>   error in the merge review process). I also fixed the bug.
[15:14] <ev> (done!)
[15:15] <barry> image based upgrades - the gpg regime is almost complete (one last pathological case to handle).  should be merged into the main trunk today or tomorrow.
[15:15] <barry> LP: #1058884 - all SRUs uploaded, awaiting approval
[15:15] <barry> LP: #982082, LP: #1094218 - thought i had sru'd the fix, but maybe i didn't?
[15:15] <barry> done
[15:15] <stokachu> stgraber: are you a fan of teh docker.io?
[15:16] <stgraber> stokachu: I haven't used it myself, but we are in touch with the guys behind it and try to improve the upstream LXC library to better fit their need and reduce the code duplication (they currently wrap our binaries which isn't really ideal)
[15:17] <stokachu> nice!
[15:17] <xnox> stgraber: if you have any offlineimap patches, feel free to poke me and include them upstream/debian/ubuntu.
[15:17] <dosaboy> xnox: i did not personally do the test, let me find out
[15:17]  * xnox really should resurrect my offlineimap setup.
[15:17] <slangasek> stgraber: resolvconf> so I know Thomas wanted us to drop some of our delta around the maintainer scripts... have you worked through whether that's the right thing to do / safe?
[15:18] <stgraber> slangasek: no. I haven't actually looked at the new resolvconf yet but I remember Thomas' e-mail. My guess is that I'll start with a simple merge, then we can look at reducing the delta after that (should reduce the number of regressions vs doing all of that at once)
[15:19] <xnox> dosaboy: yeah, at the moment I feel like setting the bug to incomplete because it's not possible to follow the test case steps to reproduce the problem. I am guessing it assumes some kind of special environment where that python snippet should be executed.
[15:19] <slangasek> stgraber: ok.  I think the "simple merge" is going to have to deal with this issue, because of how much the code has changed on the Debian side.
[15:20] <stgraber> slangasek: ah, is it that bad? as I said, I haven't looked at the new version yet, but if he did some major changes to the maintainer scripts, then I guess we won't have much choice indeed...
[15:20] <slangasek> cjwatson: no jodh today, you're up
[15:20] <cjwatson> Usual round of syncs, merges, transition management, and pushing NBS up the hill.
[15:20] <cjwatson> Fixed udev-udeb startup script regression that broke d-i (bug 1188864).
[15:20] <cjwatson> foundations-1305-arm64-bringup: Assembled stage0 for new arm64 port, with doko.  Lots of cross-builds, and some fixes pushed to saucy and forwarded to Debian.  debootstrap --variant=buildd now works under emulation, plus apt and debhelper.
[15:20] <cjwatson> foundations-1305-click-package: Added buildsource subcommand to click-package.
[15:20] <cjwatson> Worked on autopkgtest integration in proposed-migration.  I have the general shape of this now and am debugging it into existence.
[15:20] <cjwatson> Debugged a crash in proposed-migration, caused by incorrect undo handling for overlapping virtual packages in different sources involved in the same hint.  Several hours for a one-line fix.
[15:21] <cjwatson> ..
[15:21] <xnox> * Upstart: Uploaded full serialisation cherrypick into saucy, with
[15:21] <xnox>   additional postinst checks as per slangasek's comments. Waiting on
[15:21] <xnox>   smoser to test. And will upload into raring-proposed this week.
[15:21] <xnox> * Helped out hunting down why ecryptfs-tools moved into minimal, and
[15:21] <xnox>   moved it back by uploading adduser.
[15:21] <xnox> * gcc-bionic toolchain: gitified using repo tool, dropped java
[15:21] <xnox>   build-dep, enabled parallel build, pushed to github, send email to
[15:21] <xnox>   doko & phonedations.
[15:21] <xnox> * cryptsetup: changed to conditionally include cryptsetup tools and
[15:21] <xnox>   modules only when required. Tested all cross-combinations of common
[15:22] <xnox>   setups and uploaded. Wrote a blog post to ubuntu planet about the
[15:22] <xnox>   changes.
[15:22] <xnox> * Generated some more overall copyright documents.
[15:22] <xnox> * Upstart Jobs: util-linux: forwarded hwclock upstart jobs to
[15:22] <xnox>   debian. (adjusted to suit debian)
[15:22] <xnox> * Installer: have a patch to drop pkexec (testing remaining flavours),
[15:22] <xnox>   todo fix up logind integration, todo investigate why U1 page hangs.
[15:22] <xnox> ..
[15:22] <slangasek> xnox: cryptsetup++
[15:23] <slangasek> now we get to wait for all the bug reports to trickle in against plymouth from the users who were using ecryptfs and now only see the Ubuntu splash screen for a second at boot ;)
[15:23] <xnox> slangasek: still needs a forward to debian, as it does a lot to determine whether it's needed or not, only to say "setup="yes"" and include it unconditionally anyway.
[15:24] <slangasek> xnox: hwclock> interesting... considering Debian has (incorrectly) opted to use /etc/adjtime instead of a simple config file listing UTC=yes/no, how did that forwarding go?
[15:24] <xnox> slangasek: it's a "port"
[15:25] <slangasek> hmmmm, ok. :)
[15:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:26] <xnox> slangasek: i have a few questions about their "integration" basically the package was moved to use /etc/adjtime because of systemd-timedated blindly ignoring existing hwclock.sh settings or actually changing all other packages that read & use UTC option.
[15:26] <slangasek> this is probably a short topic today, stokachu gave his 1 bug earlier and bdmurray seems to have been flagging attention to stuff on the list
[15:26] <slangasek> xnox: hmm, I don't think that was the reason for changing the package
[15:27] <bdmurray> I agree with slangasek as I don't have anything else
[15:27] <slangasek> xnox: mostly it was the sysvinit maintainer wanting to pare down /etc/default/rcS to be able to make it a conffile
[15:27] <xnox> slangasek: well it was consolidating two settings into one setting in one location, but chose the wrong file yet the stated claim is that "it's all universal now"
[15:28] <slangasek> heh, ok
[15:28] <cjwatson> slangasek: did you find time for those clock-setup/ubiquity changes, or do I need to?
[15:29] <xnox> slangasek: hmm.... do you have a pointer/URL about this: "wanting to pare down /etc/default/rcS to be able to make it a conffile"
[15:29] <xnox> slangasek: ?
[15:29] <slangasek> xnox: the historical assertion by Keybuk is that we don't need adjtime /at all/.  I haven't proven this to myself however, so I haven't tried to argue it to the util-linux Debian maintainers... maybe you could dig into this and get it sorted?  It's not too late to reverse the /etc/adjtime usage in Debian
[15:29] <slangasek> xnox: um, the pointer is in my brain, it references IRC conversations with rleigh
[15:29] <slangasek> cjwatson: haven't done so yet, but I will this week
[15:29] <cjwatson> ok
[15:29] <xnox> slangasek: systemd uses /etc/adjtime
[15:30] <xnox> slangasek: already as integrated in util-linux package in debian.
[15:30] <slangasek> xnox: this is no proof that it's correct :P
[15:30] <xnox> slangasek: correct, I do not state that.
[15:30] <slangasek> xnox: the changes to util-linux were *not* driven by systemd, they were driven by the sysvinit maintainer
[15:30] <xnox> slangasek: ok. i shall reconcile all of those things in my ahead at one point.
[15:30] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:31] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:31] <slangasek> rants about bugs?  movie reviews?
[15:31] <bdmurray> no spoilers though!
[15:31] <barry> kaiser soze
[15:31] <cjwatson> the titanic sinks at the end
[15:31] <xnox> is the new superman any good / worth going to? (man of steel.... such a pun on 'iron man')
[15:32] <bdmurray> Of course it is worth going to
[15:32] <bdmurray> Its Superman!
[15:32]  * xnox is going to see Swan Lake this evening at Royal Albert Hall
[15:33] <cjwatson> I'd be surprised if the nickname "Man of Steel" didn't predate the Iron Man comics by a couple of decades :)
[15:34] <cjwatson> first Superman comic 1938, first Iron Man comic 1963
[15:34] <slangasek> nonsense, all media was invented in 1998
[15:34] <cjwatson> films I'm watching lately aren't new - taking the kids through Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter
[15:35] <xnox> i'm yet to see the first/old star wars episodes.....
[15:36]  * bdmurray walks away
[15:36] <slangasek> :D
[15:36] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jun 12 15:36:14 2013 UTC.
[15:36] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-06-12-15.02.moin.txt
[15:36] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-06-12-15.02.html
[15:36] <slangasek> Peter Mayhew was detained by the TSA
[15:36] <slangasek> for a lightsaber walking stick
[15:37] <slangasek> thanks, all :)
[15:37] <cjwatson> headdesk


[01:35] <darkscript> voice test
[01:36] <PriceChild> failed
[01:36] <darkscript> =/
[01:38] <Myrtti> epic fail
[01:38] <Myrtti> multifail as we Finns say
[01:38] <PriceChild> r
[01:38] <Myrtti> ok, I ate my staw ... t ... star.... goddammit
[01:39] <Myrtti> strawberries and cream and am off to bed
[01:39] <Myrtti> nightey
[01:39] <PriceChild> Myrtti: its alright for some.
[02:54]  * Hobbsee eats the spam.  thanks, Mez!
[03:08] <jdong> eew that stuff is all saturated fat, it'll go to your waist and coronary arteries... ;-)
[03:14] <tonyyarusso> BUT, you should eat it anyway, because it's made in my state, and thus helps the local economy.
[03:14] <tonyyarusso> Also, we have a museum.
[03:52] <macogw> hey so there's this guy i used to date, and he came to #linuxchix (different server) yesterday and today and got himself "asked to leave" because of his attitude, abrasiveness, and sexism, and he came into #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu as htmljunkie about 20 minutes ago asking everyone to flood #linuxchix and basically torment them because he thinks they're man-hating feminists. its more like they just hate his attitude.  he just switched to osx5 (st
[03:53] <jdong> breathe between your sentences macogw
[03:53] <jdong> they're gettin cut off :)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> macogw:  osx5 (st
[03:54] <macogw> Hobbsee: huh?
[03:55] <jdong> macogw: your post was clipped at that point
[03:55] <jdong> we are waiting suspensefully for the conclusion
[03:55] <Hobbsee> i wish irssi had more sensible defaults, and so didn't cut off text.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> konvi will just split the line, and keep sending on the next message
[03:55] <macogw> oh
[03:55] <macogw>  he just switched to osx5 (still in #ubuntu-offtopic) after i told the channel what was really going on, but now he's PMing me
[03:56] <macogw>                 non-stop and um just watch out for htmljunkie, osx5, or darkfate (the nick he used on #linuxchix to hide that he was the jerk from yesterday)
[03:56] <macogw> i'm using irssi too...
[03:56] <Hobbsee> macogw: i can tell.  sucky clients :)
[03:57] <jdong> Hobbsee: pfft....
[03:57] <jdong> :D
[04:15] <macogw> hi elkbuntu
[04:15] <macogw> did you see last night's "excitement" in #linuxchix?
[04:15] <elkbuntu> macogw, no?
[04:17] <macogw> elkbuntu: my ex came really close to getting himself kb'd for trolling...and now he's ranting to freenode channels to go attack the man-hating linuxchix
[04:17] <macogw> see above
[04:17] <macogw> you can see him in your #linuxchix backlog as darkfate
[04:20] <elkbuntu> macogw, my linuxchix backlog must be incomplete, i dont see anything bad from him in that channel...
[04:22] <macogw> oh you werent in there last night
[04:22] <elkbuntu> i see him arguing about asprin, but that's all
[04:24] <macogw> ok there was a mess with him PMing Aishiko and lisa as part of it....called saz and Aishiko a manhater last night
[04:24] <macogw> one of the others may have their client still open from then
[04:26] <macogw> wait is htmljunkie in your backlog?
[04:27] <macogw> he came as darkfate after they were gonna kick him as htmljunkie
[04:35] <elkbuntu> oh i see it
[13:39] <DJones> Hi, Can I suggest a factiod addition for ubotu for Avant Window Navigator?
[13:39] <DJones> !awn is Avant Window Navigator, is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/  Awn-Manager is included in Universe for Hardy, installation instructions for Gutsy can be found here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-avant-window-navigator-awn-in-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html
[13:39] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, DJones said: !awn is Avant Window Navigator, is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/  Awn-Manager is included in Universe for Hardy, installation instructions for Gutsy can be found here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-avant-window-navigator-awn-in-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html
[13:40] <Hobbsee> !awn
[13:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:41] <Pici> !dock
[13:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:41] <Hobbsee> !awn is <reply>Avant Window Navigator, is a dock-like navigation bar for the linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/  Awn-Manager is included in Universe for Hardy, installation instructions for Gutsy can be found here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-avant-window-navigator-awn-in-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon.html
[13:41] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[13:41] <Pici> hm,.. I thought I added that one.
[13:41] <DJones> I did a search on ubotu's web interface, couldn't see anything referencing awn or avant
[13:43] <DJones> Thanks for that
[13:47] <jdong> no, !awn is way too long (tm)
[15:11] <HardDisk> good afternoon, I request an ubuntu cloak please.
[15:12] <LjL> hello
[15:12] <LjL> are you an ubuntu member?
[15:12] <HardDisk> hi LjL, well I'm still not entirely sure what that means exactly.
[15:12] <LjL> !member
[15:12] <ubotu> Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[15:12] <HardDisk> I am part of the ubuntu-eg team.
[15:13] <HardDisk> alrighty.
[15:13] <LjL> HardDisk: if you don't know what it means, then you're not one ;)
[15:13] <HardDisk> fair enough :)
[15:13] <HardDisk> I'll check the site out and see if I qualify.
[15:13] <HardDisk> good day.
[15:22] <Pici> Lots of that lately.
[15:24] <vorian> Pici: about membership?
[15:24] <Pici> vorian: Yeah.
[15:24] <jpatrick> vorian: interesting mail you sent me
[15:24] <vorian> jpatrick: yes, i know
[15:25] <vorian> jpatrick: i am a tard
[15:25] <vorian> I hope you deleted it
[15:25] <jpatrick> vorian: +5000 from me
[15:25] <vorian> thanks :)
[15:28]  * PriceChild is curious
[16:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici, Hi, my niece may be stopping in shortly to get her laptop setup to play DVD's I plan on checking in every now and then, but I need to go lay down for a bit.  I would appreciate it if you could keep an eye out for her.  Thanks
[16:26] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: In which channel?
[16:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Ubuntu
[16:27] <Pici> As?
[16:28] <Jack_Sparrow> No idea....
[16:28] <Pici> Well, I'll try to helpful then.
[16:28] <Jack_Sparrow> She is a ditz..
[16:28] <Pici> uh oh.
[16:28] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks...
[16:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I emailed her info on setting up medibuntu.. as she seems to have already nmessed that all up...
[16:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Appreciate it.. back in a few..
[16:29] <Pici> Sure
[16:39] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[16:39] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[16:47] <tonyyarusso> May I suggest a proactive campaign to urge legitimate users to register properly with nickserv if they haven't already prior to the 24th?
[16:50] <Pici> tonyyarusso: How do you suggest we do that?
[16:50] <Pici> besides changing the topic?
[16:51] <tonyyarusso> Pici: perhaps a topic, or perhaps a once-a-day /notice.  Or just putting it in our quit messages, if any of us ever quit...  :P
[16:52] <LjL> don't like notice
[16:52] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[16:52] <tonyyarusso> just thinking out loud really
[16:53] <LjL> you'd figure the daily +rR's due to attacks would convince those who're ready to be convinced, besides :)
[16:53] <tonyyarusso> You'd _think_, yes!
[16:53] <LjL> well, if those don't, i doubt a notice will do much better
[16:53] <tonyyarusso> true
[16:53] <LjL> those at least *show* you the hassles of not being registered
[16:54] <tonyyarusso> Also, any other brainstorming for any ways to make release day smoother that we haven't thought of already should probably start being tossed around shortly here.
[16:54] <Pici> Perhaps a list of factoids to modify
[16:54] <LjL> i'm starting to be for an #ubuntu-install for the first couple of days, for install and upgrade questions
[17:05] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, Nirkus said: ubotu: thanks. there is no usb stick image then, i guess?
[17:06] <Pici> handled.
[17:06] <tonyyarusso> hmm, that's not a bad idea LjL
[17:10] <Mez> tonyyarusso, why prior to the 24th ?
[17:11] <Mez> oh... release day :D hehe
[17:11] <PriceChild> Mez: will attract nasties
[17:11] <Mez> arent we going to do -release-party again ?
[17:12] <LjL> think so
[17:12] <LjL> but that won't stop #ubuntu from becoming unusable for a few day, as usual
[17:13] <Mez> just set it +r and get Floodbot or similar to /msg users that arent ?
[17:13] <LjL> hmmm
[17:13] <Mez> or force unregistered to join a new channel during the release? (or even just -unregged
[17:14] <LjL> not sure that'd be good
[17:14] <tonyyarusso> That's a bit heavy-handed, and unfortunately, I think it would confuse too many people.
[17:15] <tonyyarusso> I'd _like_ it to work, but know too much about users.  :P
[17:15] <tonyyarusso> -release-party should still happen though, yes.
[17:56] <LjL> !eeepc is <reply> Information about installing Ubuntu on an Asus EeePC can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC
[17:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[18:00] <Seeker`> all this planning would be easy if it wasn't for those pesky users
[18:01] <PriceChild> Seeker`: I think that makes the solution obvious then.
[18:02] <PriceChild> Seeker`: we go to the route of the problem and eliminate it there rather than working around
[18:02] <Seeker`> +b *!*@*?
[18:05] <LjL> someone's saying in #ubuntu that http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download defaults to the 64 bit version for them, any idea...? (doesn't for me)
[18:06] <Seeker`> Defaults to x86 for me
[18:06] <PriceChild> fine for me... tell them to make sure they've clicked the right one, or try a different mirror
[18:07] <LjL> but the *checkbox* in the download page seems to default to 64bit for him
[18:07] <Pici> What checkbox?
[18:08] <PriceChild> LjL: well then he can check the other one?
[18:08] <LjL> the ones on that page?
[18:08] <Pici> I only see one for the alternate disc
[18:08] <LjL> PriceChild: yes but he's just asking why on earth the site would default to 64 bit. and i agree: why on earth would it?
[18:08] <LjL> Pici, under "What type of computer do you have?"
[18:08] <PriceChild> file a bug? what browser?
[18:09] <Pici> LjL: Those are radio buttons/selectors.
[18:09] <LjL> meh
[18:09] <LjL> whatever
[18:09] <Pici> I'm guessing its some sort of residual form completion bug in his browser.
[18:48] <sarah____> hello
[18:49] <Pici> sarah____: Hello, how can we help you today?
[18:53] <sarah____> hi  Pici
[18:53] <sarah____> can you test me for the bug?
[18:54] <LjL> vulnerable
[18:54] <LjL> and has to be unbanned manually because i banned sarah_*
[22:06] <Seeker`> quiet in here today
[22:07]  * ompaul sneaks up behind Seeker`
[22:07] <ompaul> Seeker`  BOO!!
[22:11] <Seeker`> :O
[22:15]  * mneptok craps on the carpet
[22:16] <DBO> ping Amaranth
[22:16]  * ompaul points
[22:16] <ompaul> its a DBO
[22:17] <ompaul> hiya
[22:17] <DBO> heya ompaul =)
[22:17] <DBO> i was about to do my weekly whining about nvidia packages being bad =)
[22:18] <ompaul> DBO, don't bother it is a well known fact
[22:20] <DBO> yeah, i know
[22:20] <DBO> but bothering Amaranth is something of a pass-time for me
[22:20] <DBO> plus there are now people who seem to have solved it, so I am going to try a solution, brb
[22:30] <nalioth> it's not a DBO
[22:30]  * nalioth notes that that DBO was unidentified
[22:31] <Seeker`> nalioth: That doesn't mean that it wasn't a DBO
[22:31] <ompaul> well there were clues
[22:31] <ompaul> but it was not an authed dbo this is true
[22:54] <ubotu> MrObvious called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[23:15] <nalioth> WHEEEE! HAI DBO
[23:15] <nalioth> howzitgoin!?
[23:16] <DBO> not bad
[23:16] <DBO> yourself?
[23:16]  * nalioth is nalioth
[23:16] <DBO> setting up LDAP proxies
[23:17] <DBO> i guess so long as I am going to be on IRC, I may as well try to get my hands on that wonderful chanserv.py


[00:05] <Bashing-om> Some-one decided on a stay-at-home- job ! ( and done good for all )
[00:13] <OerHeks> oh?
[00:20] <Bashing-om> Old farm - back in operation as an archard . Going to work - climb on the tractor .
[00:42] <daftykins> :D
[01:34] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: 7 minutes ^^, that is an odd down time .
[01:44] <daftykins> o0
[03:22] <OerHeks> oh, my bad, i started reading news, and forgot to login
[03:26] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: I guess that excuse is as good as any other. Sometimes we all get just a tad behind :))
[03:28] <OerHeks> ... and after login i watched an episode of Elementary
[03:28] <OerHeks> :-D
[03:28] <OerHeks> nice question in ubuntu,, glucose meter software
[03:30] <daftykins> o0
[03:30] <daftykins> diabetics? funky
[03:30] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Good you could respond . Went clean over my head - my response average this session is horrible :(
[03:31] <OerHeks> but looking at the projects, no readme how to buikld it :-(
[03:31] <OerHeks> -k
[03:35] <Bashing-om> Still a bump in the right direction - will keep in mind such tools are availabale .
[03:36] <OerHeks> The meter itself does the job, this is just data software i guess
[03:36] <OerHeks> might as well be a libreoffice-plugin
[03:36] <OerHeks> connect-click-read-print-save
[03:40] <Bashing-om> just massaging data .// but how much else is there than a level reading ? a single data point - not much value there .
[03:41] <OerHeks> "Congress Warns Donald Trump: Stop Deleting Your Tweets" lolz
[03:45] <OerHeks> Where is lotuspsychje? it is 04:41 already ...
[03:48] <Bashing-om> He had 4 days off work .. maybe he went AWOL ( away with out leave ) ???
[03:49] <OerHeks> oh, no he is not that kind of person, AFAIK
[03:52] <daftykins> g'night guys, time for me to scoot
[03:52] <Bashing-om> Yeah .. would not be in character . Maybe he is sleeeping on for a change ?
[03:52] <Bashing-om> nite daftykins ' sleep well .
[03:53] <daftykins> cheers :>
[03:53] <OerHeks> nighty night daftykins
[04:02] <daftykins> oh, new kernel 3.13.0-112
[04:33] <Bashing-om> Thunderstorms ; shutting down .
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:21] <OerHeks> hi lotuspsychje
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey hey OerHeks
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> whats new?
[06:22] <alkisg> 'morning guys :)
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg glad you found your way back here :p
[06:23] <alkisg> Haha, it's for leisure time, when work is slow :D
[06:23] <OerHeks> new kernel, new chrome, new day
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> its updating ubuntu base here 7mb this morning
[06:23] <OerHeks> new grub
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> wikileaks news got on our local tv
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/wikileaks
[06:28] <OerHeks> mehh .. wikileaks is a hoax, probably Trump himself
[06:29] <OerHeks> i do not believe that sh*t leaked, all old stuff, propaganda
[06:29] <OerHeks> :-D
[06:29] <OerHeks> .. but i think i am the only one who thinks so ..
[06:30] <OerHeks> Anyone seen Assange lately ?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> nop
[06:34] <OerHeks> and i agree with this dude, Co² is not the problem, wifi and telephone and sattelite networks is the problem, a blanket that keeps us warm .. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/09/epa-scott-pruitt-carbon-dioxide-global-warming-climate-change
[06:34] <OerHeks> also he is the only one ...
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah its like a digital cage
[06:34] <OerHeks> it is logical .. trees need Co2
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> 11 million ppl on the run from climate change in africa
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/force-enable-firefox-52-npapi-support
[06:43] <OerHeks> oh nooo !!!
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/firefox-53-0-won-t-work-on-linux-pcs-with-cpus-older-than-pentium-4-amd-opteron-513716.shtml
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:45] <JanC> so, it won't work on 15yo PCs by default any more?
[06:46] <OerHeks> indeed, JanC
[06:46] <OerHeks> debian is stopping 32 bit in 2 years i read somewhere
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> i tryed to install 5 diff browsers on an old acer aspire
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> none of them wants to install
[06:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> morning lordievader
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys shopping today
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one
[07:04] <ducasse> morning all
[07:05] <lordievader> Hey ducasse, how are you?
[07:09] <ducasse> good thanks, and you?
[07:20] <lordievader> Doing good
[07:22] <ducasse> had your morning coffee yet?
[07:23] <lordievader> Having it now ;)
[07:23] <lordievader> You?
[07:24] <ducasse> working my way through first cup of tea :) after that, firmware upgrade of the router and ap :)
[07:31] <lordievader> Good luck.
[07:31] <lordievader> I'm busy with making my Puppet modules more Foreman friendly :)
[07:44] <ducasse> have fun with that :)
[07:45] <lordievader> Thanks :D
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[17:43]  * nacc is 40% convinced legordied is a troll
[18:50] <ducasse> EriC^^: this ecryptfs is learning the hard way why he's a complete idiot to be using disk encryption without backups...
[18:50] <EriC^^> :/
[18:51] <ducasse> the wrong block fails and it's all gone...
[18:52] <EriC^^> it's that sensitive? i had heard it's not block-sensitive
[18:53] <ducasse> EriC^^: does it store copies of the wrapped passphrase or something?
[18:54] <EriC^^> oh i get what you mean
[18:54] <EriC^^> the block that has the wrapped passphrase goes
[18:54] <EriC^^> thought you meant just some random bad sector or something and then it all crumbles
[18:54] <nacc> i mean, ecryptfs feels ancillary here -- always have backups because disks fail period
[18:55] <nacc> ecryptfs is maybe highly sensitive to a specific block, i suppose
[18:55] <ducasse> that was what i was trying to say initially :)
[18:56] <ducasse> i wouldn't think the underlying fs would know to try a backup if it can't read the passphrase.
[18:56] <EriC^^> i'm not exactly sure how it works, i dont think it needs any passphrase file
[18:57]  * nacc treats it like a blackbox and also has no idea how it works
[18:57] <EriC^^> i think what it usually does it use the user's login name, to wrap the actual passphrase on disk, so the username password can decrypt everything
[18:57] <ducasse> aiui it stores the crypto key encryped with your password on disk.
[18:57] <EriC^^> if you have the passphrase written down as you should, you can still decrypt it even if the block goes
[18:57] <EriC^^> yeah to make it easier to decrypt with just the login pass
[18:58] <EriC^^> not too sure, but that's what i think it works
[18:58] <ducasse> but you still need the actual key, i think. but who cares - backup all the things!
[18:58] <EriC^^> can you change the actual passphrase any time you want? or just the login pass that had it wrapped?
[18:58] <EriC^^> yeah, the key should be somewhere for sure
[18:59] <ducasse> the actual passphrase is random and you can only change your login password with the gui tools.
[18:59] <EriC^^> i think it's not sensitive to block damage then
[19:00] <ducasse> possible, but he should still have backed up. would be a whole lot easier than the mess he's in now.
[19:02] <EriC^^> oh yeah for sure
[19:02] <EriC^^> backups are a must always
[19:03] <ducasse> which reminds me, time to buy an extra backup disk. starting to get low on space.
[19:06] <EriC^^> i just thought about something
[19:06] <EriC^^> essentially ecryptfs is only as strong as your login password xD
[19:06] <EriC^^> if you have something silly there somebody could easily decrypt everything
[19:07] <ducasse> yep, as long as it's set up the standard ubuntu way.
[19:10] <nacc> EriC^^: right, i have mine setup with two distinct passwords unrelated to each other, which seems like the only sane way to really use it
[19:13] <ducasse> nacc: do you use it for all of ~ or just for something like ~/Private?
[19:15] <ducasse> i'm curious as to how you get prompted if all of your homedir is encrypted, and you don't use your login pw.
[19:18] <nacc> ducasse: whole disk, i'm realizing now
[19:19] <ducasse> ah, right.
[21:19] <OerHeks> tip 3 ... hmmm


[04:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:52] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: \o
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> hey there Bashing-om
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> workspaces stuck on unity :p
[04:55] <Bashing-om> chocolate chip cookie fest here , want one or seven ?  I do not remember how to activate work spaces :( When I get back top worling on 17.04 will work on that .
[04:58]  * lotuspsychje opens his hand for chocolats :p
[04:59] <Bashing-om> *I/U // I did do unity for 17.04 ... must be too many cookies .,
[04:59]  * Bashing-om slides a stack over lotuspsychje's way .
[05:00] <Bashing-om> Breakfast of champions !
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> yay
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> perhaps ill reset lightdm later
[05:03] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: short cut keys to switch work spaces work ?
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> hmm never use them really
[05:08] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Not used unity since shortly after 12.04 .. so my memory not to be trusted .
[05:09] <lotuspsychje> no sweat, ill find whats going on
[06:12] <Bashing-om> 'Nuf .. we do this more later. G nite .
[07:18] <ducasse> good morning all
[08:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:46] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj, how are you today? :)
[14:46] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, doing well thanks , and you?
[14:50] <ducasse> all good, thanks. just sitting down to catch up on news etc.