[00:14] <Alowishus> Going from a standard Feisty install, now to Gutsy, is it subsequently assumed that I should also install the mythbuntu-desktop metapackage to ease upgrades going forward?
[00:58] <Adin> hello all
[00:59] <Adin> hello
[01:00] <Adin> I NEED HELP!!!!!!!
[01:12] <Adin> can anyone help me?
[01:13] <laga> !ask | adin
[01:13] <ubotu> adin: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:15] <Adin> im new to mythbuntu and im not getting sound with mythtv dvd playback, can anyone help me?
[01:20] <toorima> Adin: do you get sound from other stuff in mythtv? like mythvideos or watchTV
[01:20] <Adin> yes
[01:20] <toorima> Adin: what kind of soundout, spdif etc
[01:21] <Adin> onboard stereo
[01:23] <toorima> hmm do you get ac3 sound from other sources? like hdtv or divx movie with ac3 sound?
[01:23] <laga> is it mono sound on that dvd? is it broken for lots of dvds you own or just for a few?
[01:25] <Adin> laga: lots of movies, i have installed libdvdcss2 --- toorima: i dont have a surround setup (2.1) but i can stream music
[01:47] <JDee2008> hello i anybody had trouble with mythbuntu setup detecting their cd rom?
[01:48] <JDee2008> anybody?
[01:51] <JDee2008> hmm is anyone here?
[01:51] <laga> !ask
[01:51] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:52] <JDee2008> sorry
[01:53] <JDee2008> i had trouble installing mythbuntu, it got to the stage where it was trying to detect my cd-rom and said that there was none present. However it go to that stage using a Mythbuntu cd-rom!
[01:59] <surlyjake> what is the easiest way to stream video's from my library over the web?
[02:12] <Stemming78> Logitech has a pretty exiting new remote: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/universal_remotes/devices/3898&cl=us,en
[02:13] <Stemming78> I was wondering if there is support for this and/or a working Lircd.conf that anyone knows about.
[02:18] <porthmeus_> Hello, I've just installed Mythbuntu on an extra computer, and I've got a strange and annoying problem.  Am I in the right place?
[02:25] <porthmeus> Hello, does anyone know how to fix the problem where xfce4-terminal crashes X in a fresh Mythbuntu 7.10 install?
[02:26] <Stemming78> *Remote in question is the "LOGITECH HARMONY ONE" - anyone have an idea if it is supported by Mythbuntu?
[03:15] <Adin> did anyone answer my previous question?
[04:06] <rhpot1991_laptop> ah man I missed majoridiot
[07:40] <mutatis> morning all. I'm looking for a stable mythbuntu release, via a popular torrent. can some1 point me in the right direction?
[07:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> mutatis: the torrents for 7.10 no longer work IIRC, use the direct download
[07:42] <rhpot1991_laptop> the torrents for 8.04 beta should be pretty speedy now though, if you want to go that route
[07:43] <mutatis> thanks rhpot
[07:50] <mutatis> down in 8 hours!:S
[07:53] <mutatis> you are right that the direct download is a better option! down in 18mins. :D
[10:28] <Tuv0k> QSettings: error creating /home/mythtv/.qt
[11:23] <agm> I've tried to install a Hardy mythtv backend on a Via Epia system but i can't configure mythtv-setup - it crashes with an "illegal instruction (core dumped)" The system worked fine with gutsy and the .20 mythtv. Have the new packages been optimized to 686?
[11:24] <Tuv0k> works fine on a amd64
[11:24] <Tuv0k> not sure if that answers your question
[11:24] <Tuv0k> only to say, I'm pretty sure it is
[11:25] <agm> I can also run it on a vmware install, unfortunately the via C3 processors don't support all of the 686 instructions
[11:25] <Tuv0k> oh
[11:26] <laga> agm: they've been optimized for i686 with mmx.
[11:29] <laga> agm: what instruction are you talking about?
[11:29] <agm> I don't know specifically, I'll upload the crash report to launchpad a little later
[11:30] <agm> I know that it was one of the reasons for keeping the kernel around i386
[11:31] <laga> at least earlier c3 cpus didn't have CMOV which was not mandatory for i686..
[11:31] <agm> yeah - I just found it
[11:32] <laga> how old is that CPU?
[11:32] <laga> looks like the nehemiah cores have CMOV
[11:33] <agm> pre-nehemiah - its an ezra
[11:33] <directhex> via cpu? PURGE IT WITH FLAME
[11:33] <agm> on the early m-10000, m-5000
[11:33] <agm> weak processor, but uses very little electricity
[11:33] <directhex> intel cpus are significantly better on power-per-watt, and via know it
[11:35] <agm> directhex: can you recommend an intel system that uses 50watt at idle
[11:36] <laga> my intel laptop uses 15W when idle ;)
[11:36] <directhex> idle? anything that takes a mobile cpu. or even the D201GLY2A
[11:36] <directhex> trivially
[11:36] <directhex> 50W is a *lot*
[11:37] <laga> but 50W.. should be doable with  efficient chipsets and PSUs
[11:37] <laga> directhex: i dont think the D201GLY2A will do 3d accel in linux, though
[11:37] <directhex> look at it this way: not all MHz are equal (and via MHz are largely worthless). 7W gets you a 1ghz c7; 8W gets you a 1.06ghz core 2 duo
[11:38] <directhex> and 2.5W gets you a 1.8GHz dual-core Atom
[11:38] <directhex> a core2 mhz is worth about 5-6x a via one. per core.
[11:39] <laga> yeah.. and how is that gonna make mythtv run on his c3? :>
[11:39] <agm> laga: i believe it is the cmov instruction
[11:39] <laga> yeah, me too.
[11:39] <directhex> highly likely
[11:39] <laga> i dont think we're gonna remove that.. unless the performance hit is neglible
[11:39] <agm> They seem to debate this frequently (i386 packages) on ubuntu-devel
[11:40] <directhex> go compile whatever that "optimized" gentoo for epia is called
[11:40] <laga> neglibile*
[11:40] <directhex> negligible.
[11:41] <laga> agm: i'd suggest you download the source packages, modify them to remove the cmov stuff and then recompile.. a PPA might be nixe for this
[11:41] <agm> How has the performance improved in the other builds? I had no problem with the mythbackend on gutsy - and this is with a machine with 256 ram :-)
[11:41] <laga> some guy actually has a EPIA repo
[11:41]  * directhex fails to see the point of such a thing
[11:41] <agm> are all of the myth package optimized?
[11:42] <directhex> i typed "suck" instead of "such" by accident, my subconcious is clued up
[11:42] <laga> agm: what other packages do we have? ;)
[11:43] <agm> There could be some bug reports if there are a lot of epia front ends.
[11:43] <laga> agm: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301 <- somewhere in the forums, someone has a PPA for epia specific builds.. maybe you should talk to him
[11:43] <agm> Will do, thanks for the help
[11:44]  * directhex wonders which magical epias are being talked about which are capable of displaying video
[11:44] <agm> who displays video on a backend?
[11:44] <laga> agm: yes.. but unless we see some benchamrks (or measure things ourselves) that prove that removing the cmov instruction won't impact performance (negatively), we won't remove it :)
[11:44] <laga> benchmarks*
[11:44] <laga> we already got a lot of people complaining that 0.21 is slower :/
[11:44] <laga> directhex: xvmc
[11:45] <directhex> laga, yay, xvmc always makes things better. assuming it's supported by the epia in question
[11:46] <laga> lots of people are using epia as their frontends
[11:47] <directhex> more fool them, IME
[11:47] <laga> heh
[12:44] <agm> laga: I'm new to buidling debian packages. Do i need to grab the source for each of the myth debs, change the 686 option in debian/rules and then rebuild?
[12:45] <laga> agm: you just apt-get source mythtv
[12:45] <laga> then you have the source for all mythtv packages
[12:46] <agm> I've got a folder with mythtv-0.21
[12:46] <laga> agm: maybe there's also a --disable-cmov option, see ./configure --help
[12:46] <laga> agm: yeah
[12:46] <agm> building that builds all of the necessary packages?
[12:46] <laga> agm: you can either build it on your system, upload it to a PPA or use pbuilder..
[12:46] <laga> agm: yes.. but not mythplugins, you will have to rebuild them against your new libmyth*
[12:47] <laga> agm: you probably want to add a new changelog entry before rebuilding
[12:47] <agm> cool, thanks for the help
[12:47] <laga> i use "dch -v" from the devscripts
[12:47] <yotux> can mythbuntu handle blu-ray?
[12:48] <laga> no
[12:49] <laga> agm: use 'apt-get build-dep mythtv' to get all the build dependencies for mythtv.. if you choose to build it locally
[12:49] <yotux> thankz
[12:51] <laga> yotux: it's possible to rip blu ray disks to your hard disks and play them from there, but that's cumbersome and basically circumventing copy protection which is illegal in a lot of countries
[12:51] <yotux> I understand
[12:51] <yotux> most of what we do in linux to watch dvd is in volation of DMCA
[12:52] <yotux> live in the states don't know where your from
[12:58] <Ziroda1> Hi I can't seem to get VNC working, when connecting I get the error that no password has been set even though I have set a password
[13:35] <mutatis> Afternoon all. Is it ok to ask for help in this channel?
[13:36] <sp3ct> Greetings all. I just ran an update on my mythtv server this morning.  And now myth is not very happy. It does not start right, just into X with the window manager. And most every tool I try to use breaks with an "Illegal instruction (core dumped)". any pointers help would be appreciated. is this a CPU incompatiability ?  server uses a Via C3 Ezra chip.
[13:37] <mutatis> *sees*
[13:39] <mutatis> Should USB drives auto-mount in Mythbuntu 7.10?
[13:39] <yotux> mutatis: I think so
[13:41] <yotux> mutatis: what seems to be the issue?
[13:41] <mutatis> well.. I'm new to Linux... so everything is an issue. :)
[13:41] <mutatis> My USB drive doesn't appear
[13:42] <agm> sp3ct: are you running gutsy or hardy
[13:42] <mutatis> and I can't get into root, using 'su root'
[13:42] <yotux> there is no root account in ubuntu
[13:42] <sp3ct> I originally installed from the mythbuntu 7.10, so guessing gutsy
[13:42] <mutatis> is there a default password I missed in the installation?
[13:42] <mutatis> yotux: really? aha.
[13:43] <yotux> if you really need root sudo su
[13:43] <mutatis> so... I'm already root?
[13:43] <yotux> no you are a administrator with sudo rights
[13:43] <yotux> I would use this command sudo lsusb
[13:43] <agm> sp3ct: if you updated to .21 they are build with instructions not supported by the ezra
[13:44] <agm> sp3ct: i got bit by the same thing
[13:44] <yotux> lsusb -- that should list all usb devices connected
[13:45] <sp3ct> agm: ugh...  any easy way to downgrade back ?  and I guess from this point on, I can't apply myth updates..  any way to set that in the apt-get config somewhere ?
[13:45] <sp3ct> Or I just need to upgrade my board...*sigh*
[13:47] <agm> sp3ct: can you get into synaptic?
[13:48] <sp3ct> yes
[13:49] <agm> what repositories do you have enabled?
[13:50] <mutatis> yotux: thanks, it's listed under lsusb
[13:51] <sp3ct> agm, you want me to paste all of them ?
[13:51] <yotux> mutatis:  most of the time my flash drive mount its self @ /media/disk
[13:51] <sp3ct> would of been whatever was per installation + rep that provides restricted/proprietary packages
[13:52] <mutatis> yotux: thanks. and how do i add the files to the video library?
[13:52] <mutatis> it says no files, presumably it's just looking on main hdd atm
[13:52] <yotux> mutatis:  you have video on flash?
[13:53] <mutatis> on portable usb harddrive actually
[13:53] <mutatis> can i set up a symlink or something?
[13:53] <yotux> mutatis: let me do a little digging
[13:55] <agm> sp3ct: check repositories and see if you have gutsy-backports enabled
[13:55] <sp3ct> agm: I do
[13:56] <sp3ct> 2 of them
[13:57] <agm> enabling these brings newer updates than in standard Gutsy
[13:57] <agm> disable these repositories and reload
[13:58] <agm> reload (refresh) the list in synaptic, don't reboot :-)
[13:59] <sp3ct> agm: Done
[14:00] <yotux> mutatis: from doing a little digging I think that you want a plugin called mythvideo
[14:00] <yotux> I have not modified my video library yet
[14:01] <mutatis> ok. thanks yotux
[14:01] <mutatis> will do a little downloading and untarring and let you know how it goes. I'm new to Ubuntu though so it might take a while
[14:01] <mutatis> :)
[14:02] <yotux> i'll install it and play around a little bit with it
[14:02] <agm> sp3ct: do you have a large database of shows or can you lose it and start over?
[14:02] <yotux> I would use apt as much as you can
[14:02] <mutatis> apt?
[14:02] <mutatis> wp:apt
[14:02] <yotux> apt-get install [package name]
[14:02] <mutatis> ah. ok. i'm with you
[14:03] <sp3ct> agm: Well I was just start using mythtv..  and have about 66 G of recorded shows...  So guess I could start fresh...  not overly desireable tho
[14:05] <mutatis> what recording cards do people rate? I'm going to buy (on payday) and I'd like something well supported and reliable with minimum hassles for a newbie.  *asking for moon while he's at it*
[14:05] <sp3ct> via C3 ezra, wasn't the best of cpus...  but i had it laying around...
[14:06] <agm> sp3ct: you could try to dump the database via phpmyadmin first before reverting the version
[14:06] <sp3ct> but I am thinking about doing vlc streaming to a mediaMVP, and will prolly need a better cpu
[14:06] <agm> definitely
[14:06] <agm> if you're transcoding
[14:07] <sp3ct> yeah.. so maybe I just start fresh with a new board...  *sigh*  but really didn't want to spend the $
[14:08] <yotux> mutatis: are you talking about a capture card?
[14:08] <agm> if you just want to get up running again, you can uninstall all the mythtv via synaptic and then reinstall (only the 20.2) will be available
[14:09] <agm> if your database hasn't been modified, it might work. Otherwise drop the database and reconfigure.
[14:10] <agm> I don't use mythbuntu-control-centre, so I don't know much about that
[14:12] <mutatis> yotux: yes, for capture
[14:13] <yotux> Lookjng at SD or HD
[14:14] <yotux> here a link for you http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card
[14:15] <yotux> I bought a Hauppauge PVR-150 MCE has no remote but FM radio instead
[14:15] <yotux> mutatis:  that plugin that I told you about will follow sys links also
[14:16] <lUrkUr0> hi all - can I get some advice on a prob with my dvb-t card?
[14:19] <sp3ct> agm: Thank you for your help, and your advice.
[14:19] <lUrkUr0> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6014/
[14:20] <agm> sp3ct: hope it works out for you
[14:21] <sp3ct> prolly will just wait until I have a board to upgrade too...  now the quest for energy efficient, can ramp up for transcoding, and is quiet...
[14:24] <lUrkUr0> here goes: I have 2 twinhan 3020 cards (bttv driver) - these are detected correctly but no matter what i try i can't pick up any signal from either
[14:25] <lUrkUr0> does anyone know how to trouble shoot this?
[14:30] <yotux> I had a problem like yours but I found out I was using the wrong input device
[14:31] <lUrkUr0> myth correctly detects it  - and so do the dvb-utils like 'scan' but no joy....
[14:44] <agm> lUrkUr0: can you tune with the scan utility?
[14:48] <Ziroday> Hi, I am havig some issues getting vncserver to work, it states that it cannot run on screen 0 because a server is already running there, however when trying to kill vncserver on screen 0 it says that it has no record of vncserver running on screen 0
[14:48] <Ziroday> anyone have any ideas?
[14:55] <Ziroday> Is any one of the 61 people here actually awake[?
[14:58] <laga> Ziroday: no
[15:01] <Ziroday> laga: oh in that case :)
[15:22] <laga> wild_oscar: so, what's the problem?
[15:22] <laga> ;)
[15:22] <laga> wild_oscar: the mythtv devs dont like it if their channel is cluttered up, so it's better to talk here
[15:23] <wild_oscar> :)
[15:23] <wild_oscar> I am trying to use tv_grab_pt of the xmltv
[15:24] <wild_oscar> the current version in the ubuntu repositories (0.5.49) isn't working, so I got the latest cvs one
[15:24] <wild_oscar> which gave me this error
[15:24] <wild_oscar> Can't locate Unicode/UTF8simple.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/tv_grab_pt line 88.
[15:24] <wild_oscar> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/tv_grab_pt line 88.
[15:25] <wild_oscar> I tried to look up for this error, and it had probably been fixed in the ubuntu version: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/x/xmltv/xmltv_0.5.49-1ubuntu1/changelog
[15:25] <laga> wild_oscar: did you run apt-get build-dep xmltv?
[15:25] <laga> wild_oscar: if it was fixed in the debian/ubuntu packages, you should try to build the version from hardy on your box instead
[15:26] <wild_oscar> where is that located?
[15:27] <wild_oscar> I used the one from cvs http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/grab/pt/ because it is 2 weeks old
[15:27] <wild_oscar> and latest cvs comment is " Site new date formatting.", which was probably the error I was getting previously
[15:28] <laga> ah.
[15:28] <laga> right.
[15:28] <laga> wild_oscar: i think the best thing you can do is:
[15:28] <laga> get the source package from packages.ubuntu.com for hardy
[15:28] <laga> build that and install the packages on hardy
[15:29] <wild_oscar> I was now trying to change the cvs version to include the changes chris made in the ubuntu version
[15:29] <laga> if tv_grab_pt doesn't work, get the patch from http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/grab/pt/ and apply.. if it works
[15:29] <laga> file a bug report against xmltv in launchpad and we'll fix it for hardy
[15:29] <wild_oscar> i'm running gutsy though
[15:29] <laga> yeah, that's why you have to rebuild xmltv..
[15:30] <laga> wild_oscar: i'd suggest prevu for that
[15:32] <wild_oscar> will have a look
[15:37] <wild_oscar> taking a while to set prevu up
[15:37] <laga> yeah..
[15:37] <laga> i usually do it the complicated way, but i don't want to clutter my normal box with all those -dev packages
[15:38] <wild_oscar> what's the complicated way?
[15:39] <laga> well, that is the complicated way
[15:39] <MythbuntuGuest98> i was going to try out the diskless server, but ended up not having enough room for the image, the client im going to use has a 4g drive in it, if i moved it to the backend it should be big enough shouldnt it?
[15:40] <wild_oscar> laga: yes, it's a tad complicated...I have no idea about this prevu thing
[15:41] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: yes.. you probably need about 1-2GB when creating the image.. and some space for each client
[15:41] <laga> wild_oscar: there's a wiki page
[15:41] <wild_oscar> it builds packages and makes them available on synaptic for previous versions, is that i?
[15:41] <wild_oscar> reading it
[15:41] <MythbuntuGuest98> ok and where should i mount it?
[15:41] <laga> wild_oscar: it may seem more complicated, but i think it'll help greatly when you need to backport additional packages to satisfy new dependencies
[15:42] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: /opt/ltsp/
[15:42] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: the clients put their files in /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless/, you'll probably need 100-200M there
[15:43] <TelnetManta> can anyone tell me how to view a slideshow of my images?
[15:43] <wild_oscar> right now it'll only be interesting for a couple of weeks, as hardy is almost ready
[15:43] <laga> wild_oscar: now imagien that tv_grab_pt is broken in hardy as well ;)
[15:43] <laga> imagine*
[15:45] <wild_oscar> we'll see that in a while! ;)
[15:46] <MythbuntuGuest98> im not exactly sure how it works, but would it be better to just mount it in /media and symlink from each of those peices, that way each place can take as much of the pie as they need?
[15:46] <MythbuntuGuest98> um i mean /media/drivename
[15:47] <laga> MythbuntuGuest98: yeah, you can do that.. i wouldn't use symlinks, bind mounts might work better
[15:48] <MythbuntuGuest98> ok ill look up bind mounts and see how they work
[15:48] <laga> sudo mkdir /media/drivename/ltsp && sudo mkdir /media/drivename/overlay && sudo mount -o bind /media/drivename/ltsp/ /opt/ltsp/...
[15:48] <laga> something like that
[15:48] <laga> you should add them to fstab, too
[15:48] <laga> (won't that 4GB drive be noisy as hell?)
[15:49] <MythbuntuGuest98> i dont know, havent used it in a while, all my hardware is old and noisy though, so i probably wont notice
[15:50] <laga> hah, good call :)
[15:50] <MythbuntuGuest98> the "plan" is once i get everything working good ill put it them all in a room in the basement and run wires from there, doubt ill ever find the motivation though
[15:52] <laga> no wife to yell at you for having noisy computers?
[15:53] <MythbuntuGuest98> yeah, she complains some
[15:53] <MythbuntuGuest98> she has gotten used to it though
[15:53] <laga> too bad for your motivation
[15:54] <MythbuntuGuest98> lol
[16:06] <wild_oscar> laga: shouldn't prevu solve dependencies in the xmltv package?
[16:06] <laga> wild_oscar: i hope so
[16:07] <wild_oscar> it's complaining about "Aptitude couldn't satisfy the build dependencies"
[16:08] <laga> oh
[16:08] <laga> it doesnt do it automagically
[16:08] <laga> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Prevu at the bottom of the page
[16:18] <wild_oscar> aah
[16:18] <wild_oscar> cheers
[16:18] <wild_oscar> all set
[16:20] <wild_oscar> laga: the hardy one is the same as gutsy, I believe
[16:20] <laga> wild_oscar: the xmltv package?
[16:20] <wild_oscar> sorry, not the package, but the tv_grab_pt file problem
[16:22] <laga> okay.. so we need you to identify the patch which fixes this so we can put it into hardy :)
[16:22] <wild_oscar> hmm...wait; I see that the cvs version also doesn't have the web change
[16:22] <laga> ah?
[16:22] <wild_oscar> are you able to run the script in your machine?
[16:22] <wild_oscar> the latest cvs version, preferably
[16:22] <laga> heh
[16:23] <laga> you're lucky, i just updated to the latest CVS
[16:23] <laga> well, i'm in the process of finding out why updating didn't work...
[16:23] <wild_oscar> hehe
[16:24] <wild_oscar> well, when you have the latest tv_grab_pt available for test tell me...I'll try to change the script in the meantim
[16:24] <wild_oscar> *time
[16:29] <laga> i wish the sourceforge CVs servers were faster
[16:38] <wild_oscar> laga: do you know how to check which cvs revision is on the hardy package?
[16:38] <laga> wild_oscar: tv_grab_pt --help
[16:38] <laga> or --version
[16:38] <wild_oscar> plain old --version will do the trick
[16:39] <wild_oscar> well...sort of
[16:40] <wild_oscar> they may have changed some stuff, as the line numbering doesn't match
[16:43] <laga> perl makes me sad.
[16:43] <wild_oscar> lol
[16:43] <wild_oscar> how come?
[16:44] <laga> it looks weird, gives me weird error messages i dont understand and so on
[16:46] <wild_oscar> I have no pearl knowledge...
[16:46] <wild_oscar> *perl
[16:47] <wild_oscar> but it looks simple enough so you can play with it, say, when you want xmltv listings on ester sunday
[16:47] <laga> heh
[16:47] <laga> i didnt know perl either when in started writing my own grabber last year
[16:52] <wild_oscar> what country do u live in?
[16:52] <laga> germany
[16:52] <laga> my grabber is for many european countries, though
[16:52] <laga> commercial, though :/
[16:53] <wild_oscar> I'm having a look at ontv
[16:57] <Tuv0k> wild_oscar, I made that mistake too
[16:57] <Tuv0k> sorry was thinking of another app
[16:57] <Tuv0k> ontv was not bad
[16:58] <wild_oscar> it looks nice
[16:58] <Tuv0k> yeah
[16:58] <wild_oscar> I'm trying to find how to add channel logos now
[16:58] <Tuv0k> good luck
[16:58] <wild_oscar> my main goal is to add channel listings to mythtv
[16:58] <wild_oscar> well, after I configure mythtv properly
[16:58] <Tuv0k> there is a guide for that
[16:59] <laga> wild_oscar: there's a button in mythtv-setup for that :)
[16:59] <Tuv0k> nice, reduced to a button
[16:59] <laga> but someone needs to be have submitted channel logos before.. or rather some other information
[16:59] <laga> i think
[16:59] <wild_oscar> but now I just wanted to get a nice app to make me not forget some tv programs!
[16:59] <wild_oscar> laga: channel logos, that is?
[16:59] <laga> they have a database of channel logos and you need to select the right one, IIRC
[16:59] <laga> yes
[17:00] <wild_oscar> I'm somewhat behind in mythtv though
[17:00] <laga> it's only in 0.21
[17:00] <wild_oscar> I still haven't even made mythv show my tv channels properly
[17:00] <wild_oscar> :p
[17:02] <laga> good luck :)
[17:03] <wild_oscar> yeah...luck and patience!
[17:07] <wild_oscar> brb
[17:27] <wild_oscar> back
[17:33] <wild_oscar> I was going to try to configure mythv...
[17:33] <wild_oscar> but I opened tvtime and mariah carrey is singing on vh1
[17:34] <wild_oscar> and suddently I forgot what I was doing
[17:53] <wild_oscar> I used the tv_grab_pt to grab the channel listings in mythtv...and it told me to run mythfilldatabase --manual
[17:53] <wild_oscar> it is now asking me, presumably, for the channel number of all the xml programming it found
[17:53] <laga> wild_oscar: mythfilldatabase --manual --preset
[17:54] <wild_oscar> how do I know which numbers should go?
[17:54] <wild_oscar> what is the --preset argument for?
[17:54] <laga> --preset will ask you for numbers for the channels, so if you say channel ABC should be on 5, you can just hit 5 on your remote
[17:54] <laga> very useful for europe because we have alphanumeric frequency ids.. the US doesnt have that.
[17:55] <laga> theirs are numeric only.
[17:55] <laga> wild_oscar: you can use 'scantv' from the xawtv package...
[17:55] <laga> or go to the website of your cable company
[17:56] <wild_oscar> are they the same numbers as in, say, the tvtime software?
[17:56] <laga> yeah.
[17:56] <wild_oscar> oh, ok
[17:56] <laga> i hope so at least :)
[17:56] <wild_oscar> I'll check with that then...
[18:06] <wild_oscar> laga: scantv is great! :D
[18:06] <wild_oscar> how does it find the channel name info?
[18:07] <laga> oh, it does? ;) from the 'teletext'/'videotext'..
[18:11] <wild_oscar> the wonders of technology...
[18:11] <wild_oscar> :p
[18:23] <wild_oscar> laga: what's the difference between channel ID and channel preset on fillmydb --preset?
[18:24] <laga> i think that's the primary key for the channels table in mysql.. at least that's what i says on the german wiki
[18:24] <wild_oscar> id is the alphanumeric code (SE11, E8, 44) you get on the output of scantv?
[18:25] <laga> i think you just ender a number there
[18:25] <laga> wild_oscar: no, that's the frequency id
[18:25] <laga> s/ender/enter/
[18:25] <laga> wild_oscar: or check wiki.mythtv.org
[18:45] <wild_oscar> how do you access/change this info after running filldb?
[18:45] <wild_oscar> I presume running filldatabase again will override the previous settings
[18:47] <laga> what settings?
[18:50] <wild_oscar> channel info (id, name, preset, frequencyid, tv format, icon)
[18:50] <laga> now
[18:50] <laga> it's stored in the DB
[18:50] <laga> well
[18:51] <laga> it'll override if you run mythfilldatabase --manual again ;()
[18:51] <laga> IIRC#
[18:51] <laga> but for minor adjustments, mythweb or mythtv-setup are better
[18:53] <npurciful> hey whats up
[18:56] <npurciful> hey i have a question about my hdhomerun about 2 days ago i was unable to lock on my local cbs station @ 9.1 so i did a hdhomerun_config scan it found the channel and so manual st and tuned to the channel. but mythtv cant lock on it
[18:57] <npurciful> SCANNING: 623000000 (us-bcast:39) LOCK: 8vsb (ss=100 snq=74 seq=100) PROGRAM: 9: 9.1 KWTV-1
[18:57] <wild_oscar> what if it runs mythfilldatabase, as it asks for whenever you run mythsetup?
[18:57] <wild_oscar> won't override these settings?
[18:58] <laga> wild_oscar: no, mythfilldatabase just fills the DB with EPG data
[18:58] <wild_oscar> ah, cheers
[18:59] <laga> wild_oscar: do you have a working patch for tv_grab_pt
[18:59] <laga> ?
[19:00] <wild_oscar> oh, sorry
[19:00] <wild_oscar> I do
[19:01] <wild_oscar> it's the same as in cvs 144
[19:01] <wild_oscar> 1.44
[19:01] <shadore> so ... i built a mythbuntu box, and i have a question........ should 2GB of memory be enough to record two live HDTV ota signals at once? I do not do any transcoding on the box, only commerical flagging with low cpu usage
[19:01] <wild_oscar> only the hardy version doesn't match the line numbering of 1.43
[19:01] <shadore> i sometimes get glitches in my hd recordings =/
[19:02] <wild_oscar> the diff is http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/grab/pt/tv_grab_pt?view=diff&r1=text&tr1=1.44&r2=text&tr2=1.43&diff_format=h
[19:02] <laga> wild_oscar: if you could file a bug against xmltv in hardy, we'll fix it there
[19:05] <wild_oscar> in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu ?
[19:05] <laga> wild_oscar: yeah
[19:06] <wild_oscar> will do that
[19:06] <wild_oscar> I take it that I can add/edit presets afterward in mythv?
[19:07] <laga> yes
[19:11] <Cackette> please help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=732020 my box hasnt worked in over a week.
[19:12] <wild_oscar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmltv/+bug/205662
[19:13] <laga> thanks
[19:13] <laga> Cackette: and i'm telling you *again*, try a video display profile which doesn't use xvmc-blit and post the löogs
[19:13] <laga> s/löogs/logs/
[19:16] <Cackette> laga: i've tried every video profile
[19:16] <Cackette> and none of them work
[19:16] <laga> Cackette: yes, but please post logs
[19:16] <Cackette> how do i know which profile doesnt use xvmc-blit
[19:16] <laga> by looking in the profile editor for example
[19:17] <laga> i think it's also display in that window where you choose the profile
[19:17] <Cackette> it'll be a while before i can post logs
[19:17] <Cackette> have some easter stuff going down
[19:20] <Cackette> laga
[19:21] <Cackette> i dont see any profile that doesnt use xv-blit atleast once
[19:22] <laga> Cackette: xv-blit is OK (and it used to be the default), just xvmc-blit is bad
[19:22] <Cackette> ok
[19:23] <Cackette> recommend a profile?
[19:23] <Cackette> maybe Slim? or CPU--
[19:23] <Cackette> CPU-- is the only one i've gotten anything to work in, but only SD
[19:25] <laga> i dont know, i use custom profiles i set up a few months ago :)
[19:25] <Cackette> oh...
[19:30] <Cackette> alright, i gave it a shot w/ one that doesnt have xvmc-blit
[19:31] <Cackette> laga: http://pastebin.org/25012
[19:33] <laga> Cackette: and you get no video? do you get audio?
[19:33] <Cackette> yeah
[19:33] <Cackette> no video, only audio
[19:33] <Cackette> on both HD and SD
[19:34] <laga> ok.. can you go into the video display profile editor and select a different interlacer? maybe none at all, just for testing?
[19:34] <Cackette> video display profile editor?
[19:34] <Cackette> what is that under
[19:34] <laga> it's where you set the video display profile
[19:34] <laga> you can hit "edit" there
[19:34] <Cackette> such as CPU-- or CPU+?
[19:34] <Cackette> playback profile?
[19:35] <laga> yeah
[19:35] <laga> right, playback profile
[19:35] <laga> sorry for the confusion
[19:35] <Cackette> do i have to go thru all 5 and change the interlacer?
[19:35] <Cackette> like all 5 edit buttons
[19:35] <Cackette> or what
[19:36] <laga> only for the ones which match your setup.. eg quartz won't apply unless you use mac os X ;)
[19:36] <Cackette> how do i know which ones match my setup
[19:39] <laga> just modify them all ;)
[19:39] <Cackette> to what
[19:39] <laga> Cackette: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles here is some documentation
[19:39] <Cackette> i'm considering going to Hardy 8.04, they seem to have abandoned Gutsy
[19:40] <laga> Cackette: disable the deinterlacer..
[19:40] <laga> Cackette: who's "they"? :)
[19:40] <Cackette> yeah, i'll try that first
[19:40] <Cackette> the mythbuntu guys
[19:40] <Cackette> should I try it on CPU--, where SD playback wroks?
[19:40] <Cackette> and see if maybe HD playback will start
[19:40] <laga> no, cpu-- will try xvmc-blit i think
[19:40] <Cackette> oh, true
[19:41] <laga> the problem with xvmc-blit is that it'll fall back to opengl, and opengl doesn't work everywhere
[19:41] <laga> we have yet to fix that
[19:41] <Cackette> stick w/ the current one i used in the log?
[19:41] <laga> Cackette: of course, you can try hardy, but i don't recall any fixes going into mythtv in hardy which would benefit your current problem..
[19:41] <Cackette> CPU++ is the only one where i've actually seen HD video, but the video freezes 1 sec after it starts, and the audio continues
[19:42] <Cackette> uses xv-blit
[19:42] <wild_oscar> phew...all channels inserted
[19:43] <Cackette> should i try that one, laga?
[19:43] <laga> Cackette: yes, try cpu++
[19:43] <laga> and remove the deinterlacing
[19:43] <Cackette> ok
[19:43] <Cackette> want a log w/ it?
[19:43] <laga> sure.. unless it starts working ;)
[19:43] <Cackette> ok
[19:45] <Cackette> actually, it says None is default
[19:45] <Cackette> both primary and secondary are None
[19:46] <laga> for all resolutions
[19:46] <Cackette> should i try setting them to what the playback_profiles wiki says'
[19:47] <Cackette> bobdeint and linearblend
[19:47] <laga> it can't hurt..
[19:47] <Cackette> ok
[19:47] <laga> i was assuming/hoping that the yadif deinterlacer used in the playback profile from which you showed me the logs was simply overloading your system..
[19:47] <laga> now that i'm looking at the profiles, "slim" seems like a good choice
[19:48] <laga> Cackette: is this a frontend or a combined frontend/backend computer?
[19:50] <Cackette> combined
[19:50] <Cackette> i have a new log
[19:50] <laga> that's too bad.. otherwise it would have been very easy to try hardy :/
[19:50] <Cackette> yeah
[19:51] <Cackette> this time, w/ CPU++, SD had no video and had audio, HD had neither video nor audio
[19:51] <Cackette> http://pastebin.org/25017
[19:51] <laga> that's very unfortunate
[19:51] <Cackette> so i should try Slim?
[19:52] <laga> yeah.. i dont think it's gonna work, though.
[19:52] <Cackette> :(
[19:52] <Cackette> what is wrong
[19:52] <laga> i also wonder why you're getting these "audio stream changed" messages.
[19:54] <Cackette> i want .20 back :( it worked fine
[19:54] <laga> Cackette: then downgrade ;)
[19:55] <laga> can you play that recording in mplayer?
[19:55] <Cackette> i dont know how
[19:55] <Cackette> actually, i cant get any of the recordings to work on the linux box
[19:55] <Cackette> but when i download them from MythWeb to my windows boxes, they work
[19:55] <wild_oscar> any idea why video is sluggish and audio a bit out of sync in mythtv?
[19:55] <wild_oscar> while running ok in other applications
[19:57] <laga> Cackette: try mplayer. open a terminal, then run mplayer -vo xv /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/some-file-there
[19:57] <laga> wild_oscar: check the mythtv wiki
[19:57] <laga> that's a FAQ i think
[19:57] <Cackette> laga: is that any different that just opening mplayer and loading a file into it
[19:59] <wild_oscar> searching for it
[20:00] <laga> Cackette: not really..
[20:00] <laga> Cackette: except that you explicitly tell it to use xv
[20:01] <Cackette> ok, no worky
[20:01] <Cackette> http://pastebin.org/25018
[20:02] <laga> Cackette: ugh, weird. does it work with -vo x11?
[20:02] <laga> if that's a HD recording, it'll probably be very stuttery
[20:02] <Cackette> mplayer -vo x11 you mean?
[20:02] <Cackette> yeah, thats an HD recording
[20:03] <laga> yes, mplayer -vo x11
[20:03] <Cackette> lemme check
[20:05] <Cackette> http://pastebin.org/25019 video, but no audio
[20:06] <laga> so
[20:06] <laga> hum
[20:06] <laga> if we ignore the audio problem, i'd say that your video drivers are broken.
[20:06] <laga> but the audio might be relevant
[20:06] <laga> can you play mp3s on that computer?
[20:06] <Cackette> i'm using the restricted driver
[20:07] <Cackette> because the regular ones wouldnt do 1920x1080
[20:08] <Cackette> as for mp3 playback, lemme try
[20:08] <Cackette> what program do i use to try it
[20:08] <laga> mplayer ;)
[20:08] <Cackette> ok
[20:09] <Cackette> any command line stuff or just open it
[20:09] <Cackette> the mp3 i just transferred is in /var/lib/mythtv/music
[20:09] <laga> just open it
[20:09] <Cackette> ok
[20:09] <Cackette> brb
[20:10] <wild_oscar> laga: do you have any idea where in the wiki they address sluggish performance and audio sync problems? can't find it for television
[20:10] <laga> wild_oscar: in the FAQ, no? if your audio is out of sync be 1-2 seconds and you use a framegrabber card, then it should be in the faq
[20:11] <Cackette> oh snap, laga
[20:11] <Cackette> the audio actually does work in mplayer, it was just muted
[20:12] <Cackette> on the mpg and the mp3
[20:13] <laga> heh
[20:13] <Cackette> so with x11, the HD video worked fully
[20:13] <Cackette> both video and audio
[20:14] <Cackette> should i try it on a SD video as well? or will it work the same
[20:19] <wild_oscar> what's a framegrabber card?
[20:19] <Cackette> SD works fine as well
[20:19] <Cackette> so, laga, now what?
[20:25] <wild_oscar> laga: it's not only a question of out-of-sync audio
[20:25] <wild_oscar> it's out-of-sync and/or sluggish
[20:39] <wild_oscar> laga: if I use /dev/dsp as the audio device of the card I don't get a sluggish performance, but a weirder issue
[20:39] <wild_oscar> audio is echoed with a 0.5 second delay
[20:39] <wild_oscar> and audio continues even after closing mythtb
[20:39] <wild_oscar> tv
[20:41] <tgm4883> ^^ classic software encoder issue
[20:41] <pdragon> upgraded to alpha 4 and now I can't watch LiveTV. Went into the backend setup and my Input Connection is now saying "Could not open '/dev/video0' to probe it's inputs
[20:41] <tgm4883> wait, scratch that
[20:41] <tgm4883> ^^ textbook software encoder issue
[20:41] <tgm4883> pdragon, what cards?
[20:42] <pdragon> hauppauge 150
[20:42] <tgm4883> are you fully updated?
[20:42] <pdragon> yes
[20:42] <tgm4883> (beta is out now)
[20:42] <tgm4883> i386?
[20:42] <pdragon> hrm.. well, i did the update-manager -c -d thing
[20:42] <tgm4883> or amd64?
[20:42] <pdragon> i386
[20:42] <tgm4883> whats the output of uname -a
[20:43] <pdragon> Linux mediacenter 2.6.24-12-386 #1 Wed Mar 12 22:30:29 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:44] <tgm4883> yep, just as I thought
[20:44] <tgm4883> do you have a keyboard hooked up to your computer?
[20:44] <pdragon> yes
[20:44] <tgm4883> good
[20:44] <tgm4883> notice that the 386 kernel is installed and not the generic one
[20:45] <pdragon> ok
[20:45] <tgm4883> reboot and select the generic kernel during oot
[20:45] <tgm4883> see if it fixes your problem
[20:45] <tgm4883> if it does, there are a few things we need to do
[20:45] <pdragon> ok. have to reconnect to irc quick. usually keep it running on my mythtv box :)
[20:45] <pdragon> brb
[20:46] <pdragon> ok. rebooting it now
[20:47] <pdragon> i take it if this fixes it, i'll just need to fix the grub menu?
[20:47] <tgm4883> well kinda
[20:47] <tgm4883> we will remove the 386 kernel and it will fix the grub menu
[20:47] <pdragon> well, not just that i imagine
[20:47] <pdragon> ok
[20:48] <tgm4883> actually, IIRC, it is just removing the 386 kernel
[20:48] <tgm4883> laga, will comment on that just to be sure though
[20:48] <pdragon> been having some other issues with livetv since the last 7.10 kernel update and .21. figured i'd just upgrade to hardy to help test and see if maybe it can fix anything
[20:49] <pdragon> hmm... i think it's hanging and not booting now
[20:50] <pdragon> purple bar is just going back and forth at the loading screen
[20:51] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[20:52] <TelnetManta> what can I do if mythbuntu-desktop didnt finish installing?
[20:52] <tgm4883_laptop> was the generic kernel 2.6.24-12-generic?
[20:52] <pdragon> yes
[20:52] <tgm4883_laptop> TelnetManta, apt-get -f install
[20:52] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[20:53] <TelnetManta> 0\
[20:53] <TelnetManta> 0 0 0
[20:53] <TelnetManta> nothing to fix
[20:54] <MythbuntuGuest75> hey all,  maybe i'm being dense here but i just downloaded mythbuntu 7.1 and im wondering how the heck do you burn this to a cd?  Its not an iso?
[20:54] <tgm4883_laptop> sudo apt-get remove mythbuntu-desktop
[20:54] <tgm4883_laptop> then
[20:54] <tgm4883_laptop> install it again
[20:54] <tgm4883_laptop> it's a metapackage
[20:54] <MythbuntuGuest75> unfortunately im running windows vista on my home machine
[20:54] <pdragon> rebooted and using the 386 kernel it starts right up
[20:55] <tgm4883_laptop> it is an iso
[20:55] <JThundley> MythbuntuGuest75: it should be an iso
[20:55] <pdragon> any log you want me to check?
[20:55] <wild_oscar> tgm4883 - the textbook software encoder issue is the one I refered?
[20:55] <MythbuntuGuest75> hmmm all i get is a .rar file and a md5 checksum
[20:56] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest75, where did you download from?
[20:56] <MythbuntuGuest75> mythbuntu's site
[20:56] <tgm4883_laptop> oh nm, i know the issue
[20:56] <tgm4883_laptop> it is a iso
[20:56] <tgm4883_laptop> but winrar sometimes thinks it can handle iso files
[20:57] <TelnetManta> tgm4883_laptop: Ok, that didnt work either....
[20:57] <TelnetManta> tgm4883_laptop: I removed it then went to the webpage and it reinstalled but the script didnt run to set it up....
[20:57] <MythbuntuGuest75> alright, ill check the settings in there and get nero installed again
[20:58] <Nikas> So. How do i add a new mysql-user with all rights?
[20:58] <Nikas> i cant use root. complains about password?
[20:58] <tgm4883_laptop> Nikas, do you have any other users that have all rights?
[20:59] <tgm4883_laptop> or that can grant rights?
[20:59] <tgm4883_laptop> TelnetManta, sounds like everything is installed, whats happening?
[20:59] <Nikas> tgm4883_laptop, i dont know. i just know about the "mythtv"-account and no grant there :/
[21:00] <Nikas> i need to add a database and one more user but i dont know how.
[21:00]  * tgm4883_laptop has bitten off more than he can chew
[21:00] <TelnetManta> tgm4883_laptop: I found the control center under administratoin menu
[21:04] <tgm4883_laptop> wild_oscar, yes
[21:04] <pdragon> hehe
[21:05] <wild_oscar> tgm4883_laptop: I have managed to stop that problem
[21:05] <wild_oscar> by muting the "Aux" device of alsamixer
[21:05] <wild_oscar> which is the one that has to be used in tvtime
[21:06] <wild_oscar> then I got razzy sound as described here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sound_Troubleshooting#Echo_on_audio_input
[21:08] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, do this
[21:08] <tgm4883_laptop> dmesg | grep ivtv and pastebin the output
[21:08] <wild_oscar> and changed the audio as described in the same page:  Prepend "ALSA:" to the name of the device, eg "ALSA:default:CARD=nForce2"
[21:09] <wild_oscar> now I get good sound, but a) delayed about half a second and b) continues even after I close mythtv
[21:09] <pdragon> http://pastebin.com/d3a06e33
[21:10] <pdragon> this is when it's booted with the non-generic kernel
[21:12] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, yep.  It's exactly the same problem that I had
[21:12] <tgm4883_laptop> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/188287
[21:12] <tgm4883_laptop> TelnetManta, what part isn't being setup correctly? the db?
[21:12] <pdragon> not getting any sound at all either
[21:13] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, yes, thats because your modules are for the generic kernel
[21:13] <tgm4883_laptop> it's interesting though that you are unable to boot the generic kernel tough
[21:14] <tgm4883_laptop> wild_oscar, yes, thats textbook.  What is happening is that you are grabbing the direct audio, but the video is coming from your hard drive
[21:14] <tgm4883_laptop> is the a/v in sync?
[21:14] <tgm4883_laptop> Nikas, why do you need to grant another user access?
[21:15] <Nikas> tgm4883_laptop: i dont need to really but i need a new database and a new user for another application on the same box
[21:15] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[21:15] <tgm4883_laptop> try this
[21:15] <Nikas> i dont need a new user with grant i mean
[21:16] <tgm4883_laptop> wel first, what password are you using for root?
[21:16] <Nikas> tgm4883_laptop: none? ;)
[21:16] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, and you didn't setup a root password?
[21:16] <Nikas> i dont know. just using the mythtv-user
[21:17] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, can you try this
[21:17] <tgm4883_laptop> mysql -u root
[21:17] <Nikas> yes i did but the password does not let me in
[21:18] <Nikas> Access denied
[21:18] <tgm4883_laptop> reason?
[21:18] <wild_oscar> oh, man...this is A LOT harder than I expected
[21:18] <Nikas> Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[21:18] <wild_oscar> tgm4883_laptop: it depends
[21:18] <tgm4883_laptop> wild_oscar, unfortunatly it is with cheap cards
[21:18] <Nikas> i have tried -pPASSWORDS_I_KNOW
[21:19] <wild_oscar> now I get static on the sound
[21:20] <wild_oscar> tgm4883_laptop: when I have echoed sound I can't see if a/v is sync
[21:21] <wild_oscar> if I mute the cd/aux in alsamixer I get static in mythtv
[21:21] <TelnetManta> tgm4883_laptop: I got it installed but it wont run at all....
[21:21] <wild_oscar> but it works ok in tvtime
[21:21] <TelnetManta> I mean, I ran the configurator and setup the DB connection to the BE and it tested fine. But when I launch the frontend it doenst do anything
[21:22] <wild_oscar> although, after I run mythtv tvtime also outputs static: I have to change default audio standard to PAL-BG in that program
[21:22] <pdragon> tgm4883_laptop: i know you're swamped. when you have a chance, any idea where to look to see why the generic kernel isn't booting?
[21:22] <tgm4883_laptop> TelnetManta, error messages?
[21:23] <pdragon> tried looking in logs, but not really sure what to look for
[21:23] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, you need to boot the kernel in non quiet mode.  That way you can see where it hangs
[21:23] <pdragon> how do i do that?
[21:23] <tgm4883_laptop> you might also be able to just ctrl alt F1 during boot to see it
[21:23] <pdragon> <--- noob
[21:23] <pdragon> i tried doing that
[21:23] <pdragon> it didn't respond
[21:24] <foxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, hey...I need help!
[21:24]  * tgm4883_laptop stabs foxbuntu with a rusty spoon
[21:24] <wild_oscar> tgm4883_laptop: if I change the audio in mythv from ALSA:default:CARD=Intel to ALSA:default:CARD=SAA7134 it works with a/v out of sync and without stopping when I leave mythtv
[21:25] <wild_oscar> tgm4883_laptop: any of this makes sense?
[21:25] <tgm4883_laptop> wild_oscar, makes perfect sense as to why that is happening
[21:25] <tgm4883_laptop> foxbuntu, really need help?
[21:25] <wild_oscar> could you please enlighten me?
[21:25] <tgm4883_laptop> wild_oscar, sec
[21:25] <foxbuntu> no...just saw your earlier message ;)
[21:25] <wild_oscar> I'm half way asking you for that rusty spoon... :s
[21:26] <TelnetManta> tgm4883_laptop: No errors, it just doesnt run
[21:26] <tgm4883_laptop> TelnetManta, open it from the terminal
[21:27] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, you need to edit the boot line in grub
[21:27] <tgm4883_laptop> and remove the quiet
[21:27] <pdragon> ok
[21:27] <TelnetManta> mythfrontend
[21:27] <TelnetManta> sudo apt-get remove mythbuntu-desktop
[21:27] <TelnetManta> oops
[21:27] <tgm4883_laptop> TelnetManta, yes
[21:27] <TelnetManta> tgm4883_laptop: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171
[21:27] <TelnetManta>   Major opcode:  149
[21:27] <TelnetManta>   Minor opcode:  3
[21:27] <TelnetManta>   Resource id:  0x0
[21:27] <TelnetManta> Failed to open device
[21:27] <TelnetManta> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171
[21:27] <TelnetManta>   Major opcode:  149
[21:27] <TelnetManta>   Minor opcode:  3
[21:27] <TelnetManta>   Resource id:  0x0
[21:27] <TelnetManta> Failed to open device
[21:27] <TelnetManta> 2008-03-23 17:26:59.458 Using runtime prefix = /usr/local
[21:27] <TelnetManta> 2008-03-23 17:26:59.460 DPMS is active.
[21:27] <TelnetManta> 2008-03-23 17:26:59.473 New DB connection, total: 1
[21:27] <TelnetManta> i know, I know.......... pastebin!
[21:27] <TelnetManta> sorry
[21:28] <wild_oscar> tgm4883_laptop: will have a snack, nudge me when you can explain please
[21:28] <wild_oscar> brb
[21:31] <pdragon> where should the output be going if i removed the 'quiet'. still went to the mythbuntu load screen and hung there
[21:32] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[21:32] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, sec
[21:32] <pdragon> k
[21:33] <pdragon> hmm... did it get rid of the Autostart application menu?
[21:34] <tgm4883_laptop> pdragon, take a look at this  https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/7197  it should let you see what is happening
[21:34] <pdragon> meh... never mind that now
[21:36] <pdragon> bleh... i'm dumb. i commented out the wrong "quiet" i think
[21:36] <pdragon> there's one on the kernel line and another later in each entry
[21:41] <pdragon> It's hanging at: "Begin: Waiting for root file system ... ..."
[21:44] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, hello
[21:45] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, tgm4883_laptop tells me that you had mythbunut-desktop fail to install or is installed but broken
[21:52] <wild_oscar> tgm4883_laptop: back
[21:55] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, I was talking to tgm4883_laptop about your issue
[21:55] <foxbuntu> can you give me just a quick overview
[21:56] <foxbuntu> I think I have a clue, but need a quick ack story
[22:00] <Bojer> I have just installed mythbuntu 8.04 on two machines. 1st is the master backend and the 2nd is the frontend. On the 1st machine i am able to get the frontend to connect but on the 2nd machine i get an error saying "Could not connect to the master backend server - is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?". On the 1st machine the frontend is configured to use the lan ip and not <IP_ADDRESS>. If i open
[22:00] <Bojer> the Mythbuntu Control Center on the 2nd machine and try to test the MySQL connection it passes. What could be wrong?
[22:04] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu:
[22:04] <wild_oscar> sound works well on external tv player, such as tvtime
[22:05] <weebay> anyone willing to chat about mythbuntu + firewire?
[22:06] <wild_oscar> on mythtv-setup, /dev/dsp is chosen
[22:07] <wild_oscar> on frontend, audio output device: ALSA: default:CARD=SAA7134
[22:07] <wild_oscar> a/v out of sync and audio continues even after closing frontend
[22:07] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, have you tried in the FE turning off the internal Myth controls, setting the device to ALSA:default and then making sure that PCM is not turned all the way up/down in alsamixer?
[22:08] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, and I assume you are up-to-date?
[22:09] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: if ALSA:default is chosen, I get crappy sound
[22:10] <wild_oscar> "razzy" sound
[22:10] <wild_oscar> distorted sound
[22:10] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, have you checked PCM?
[22:11] <pdragon> tgm4883_laptop: seems like the generic kernel can't see my root hard drive
[22:11] <foxbuntu> it sounds like your PCM channel is saturated
[22:11] <wild_oscar> and the echo, which I can eliminate by muting the cd/aux of alsamixer
[22:11] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: checked what, specifically?
[22:11] <foxbuntu> pdragon, what type of HDD and which kernel?
[22:12] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, have you been into alsamixer?
[22:12] <pdragon> western digital 250gb sata. the 386 kernel that got installed can see it fine and boots up, but my tuner and sound don't work
[22:12] <pdragon> tgm suggested picking the generic kernel from the boot menu, but it hangs during bootup
[22:12] <pdragon> It's hanging at: "Begin: Waiting for root file system ... ..."
[22:13] <pdragon> then drops to a busybox prompt saying /dev/sda1 cannot be found
[22:13] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: and/or gnome-volume-control, when I tried to fix the echo sound problem
[22:13] <pdragon> or "does not exist" are the exact words
[22:14] <foxbuntu> pdragon, I think I saw a bug similar to that, what is your arch?
[22:14] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, open alsamixer
[22:14] <pdragon> what does arch mean?
[22:14] <wild_oscar> so basically, I get either a)distorted sound and deletable echo or b) a/v out of sync and audio persistent after closing mythtv (until I open tvtime)
[22:14] <foxbuntu> type of cpu
[22:15] <pdragon> 2.80 Intel Celeron
[22:15] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: yes...
[22:15] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: Hi, thats correct
[22:15] <pdragon> 2.80ghz
[22:15] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: mythfrontend wont start on my gutsy desktop
[22:16] <Bojer> can somone give me a hand?
[22:16] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, MythTV 0.20.2 or 0.21?
[22:16] <foxbuntu> Bojer, start your question and let someone try to answer :)
[22:17] <Bojer> I have just installed mythbuntu 8.04 on two machines. 1st is the master backend and the 2nd is the frontend. On the 1st machine i am able to get the frontend to connect but on the 2nd machine i get an error saying "Could not connect to the master backend server - is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?". On the 1st machine the frontend is configured to use the lan ip and not <IP_ADDRESS>. If i open
[22:17] <Bojer> the Mythbuntu Control Center on the 2nd machine and try to test the MySQL connection it passes. What could be wrong?
[22:17] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, look at PCM in there is the volume level all the way up or down?
[22:17] <Bojer> :-)
[22:17] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: Im not sure what the backend is. Its pretty current.
[22:17] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: half way through
[22:17] <wild_oscar> 70%
[22:18] <foxbuntu> Bojer, sounds like you didn't enable the MySQL service, I also suggest setting a Static IP on the master backend
[22:18] <Bojer> nmap shows: 3306/tcp open  mysql
[22:19] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: README says 0.21
[22:19] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, you need to make sure the BE and FE are the same generation of software 0.21 will NOT work with 0.20.2
[22:19] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: Confirmed, my backend is .21
[22:19] <foxbuntu> Bojer, it will show that but there are default locks in MySQL for security
[22:19] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, is the FE 0.21 also?
[22:20] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, ok...that sounds normal level
[22:20] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: Its mythbuntu from http://mythbuntu.org/download/getmythbuntu.php
[22:20] <Cackette> laga
[22:20] <Cackette> you around?
[22:20] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, all on the same machine?
[22:20] <TelnetManta> no
[22:21] <Bojer> foxbuntu: how do i check if it is enabled?
[22:21] <foxbuntu> Bojer, open MCC and under services > MySQL Service, make sure it is set to Enabled
[22:21] <TelnetManta> I have my backend configured to allow remote FS's and use mythtv on windows already.
[22:22] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, your FE is seperate but all from the 8.04 Beta or Alpha 4 disks?
[22:22] <TelnetManta> I got the mythbuntu metapackage from http://mythbuntu.org/download/getmythbuntu.php
[22:22] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, have you tried pass through or extra audio buffering in the FE settings?
[22:22] <TelnetManta> maybe I just need to build mythtv from source like on my BE.
[22:23] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, no
[22:23] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, we use the same thing
[22:23] <foxbuntu> well...when you say you built from source, are you using the trunk?
[22:23] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: I had .20 on this workstation a while back. I wonder if some of its files are conflicting?
[22:23] <TelnetManta> yes, trunk
[22:24] <wild_oscar> I tried changing the passtrhough, but it didn't work so i changed it back to default
[22:24] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, thats your issue
[22:24] <Bojer> foxbuntu: it is enabled
[22:24] <foxbuntu> everything has to match
[22:24] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: Which? trunk?
[22:24] <TelnetManta> or the old .20 install
[22:24] <foxbuntu> the trunk on the BE and downloading the live version from us
[22:25] <TelnetManta> ok, so mythbuntu isnt compatible with trunk.
[22:25] <Bojer> foxbuntu: and i am using ip adresses and not dns names
[22:25] <TelnetManta> good to know :0)
[22:25] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, you can switch ours to trunk however
[22:26] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, check out the Weekly builds on our site
[22:26] <foxbuntu> Bojer, thats ok
[22:26] <TelnetManta> I really like the control center. but I don't mind building from source.
[22:26] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, MCC can work with any version of MythTV and Ubuntu currently out
[22:27] <foxbuntu> well I should say Gutsy and Hardy
[22:27] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: Sweet!
[22:28] <Bojer> i tried googling the error but all the replayes i get seems to be related to the database beeing corupt, but sins my 1st machine can connect that can't be the problem
[22:28] <foxbuntu> Bojer, pastebin the logs from the Frontend
[22:28] <TelnetManta> foxbuntu: I'll try to figure out how to switch it to Trunk then
[22:28] <foxbuntu> TelnetManta, I suggest the weekly builds PPA we support
[22:28] <foxbuntu> that is trunk
[22:29] <foxbuntu> but it requires Hardy now
[22:29] <TelnetManta> bummer
[22:29] <foxbuntu> Hardy is fairly stable at this stage
[22:29] <foxbuntu> I am using it on most of my live boxes at this point
[22:30]  * foxbuntu is about the last on the project dev team to switch :)
[22:30] <pdragon> hehe
[22:30] <pdragon> any idea on the generic kernel not finding the hard drive?
[22:30] <Bojer> foxbuntu: where is the log located
[22:30] <pdragon> can't seem to find anything myself
[22:31] <foxbuntu> Bojer, /var/log/mythtv
[22:31] <foxbuntu> Bojer, also pastebin any other errors you are seeing
[22:31] <foxbuntu> pdragon, I seem to remember a bug filled about something like that, which kernel are you using (Hardy/Gusty)
[22:32] <pdragon> hardy. i upgraded to the mythbuntu beta and this started
[22:32] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: any other idea why the sound is so bad?
[22:32] <foxbuntu> pdragon, yeah I think its in the newest kernel
[22:32] <Bojer> foxbuntu: that would be my guess as well but there is no log there
[22:33] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, did you switch those settings in the frontend (im sorry if i missed you saying it)
[22:33] <Bojer> and the only error i am getting is the one mentioned above
[22:33] <foxbuntu> Bojer, strange
[22:33] <Bojer> yes i deed
[22:33] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: I tried changing the passtrhough, but it didn't work so i changed it back to default
[22:33] <Bojer> yes in deed
[22:34] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, I meant to set the internal controls to off
[22:34] <foxbuntu> no the audio level, the actual controls
[22:34] <foxbuntu> Bojer, is the FE and BE on the same machine?
[22:35] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: I don't even know how to do that...
[22:35] <Bojer> foxbuntu: i am trying on the FE
[22:35] <Bojer> foxbuntu: i just started the frontend form a terminal and i get
[22:35] <Bojer> 2008-03-23 23:34:13.744 Connecting to backend server: <IP_ADDRESS>:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[22:36] <foxbuntu> Bojer, is the backend on the same machine?
[22:36] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: inside the FE I don't have any option to set the internal controls to off
[22:36] <Bojer> foxbuntu: no but i configured the FE to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:36] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, in the same spot you change the audio device in the frontend, there is an option to turn off internal controls
[22:37] <foxbuntu> Bojer, in mythtv-setup or mythfrontend?
[22:38] <Bojer> foxbuntu: mythfrontend
[22:38] <Bojer> foxbuntu: do you have to set the server address anyware else then in the database setup?
[22:41] <foxbuntu> Bojer, yes, when you have a remote IP you have to change it in mythtv-setup as well
[22:41] <foxbuntu> on the first page under general
[22:41] <foxbuntu> their are two IP fields make both of them the same
[22:41] <foxbuntu> default is loop back (<IP_ADDRESS>) and you will need to change them to the one you set in the FE
[22:42] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: I disabled it, but the sound still isn't good
[22:42] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, are you trying the same recording each time?
[22:42] <pdragon> foxbuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/188287
[22:42] <pdragon> is that the bug you mean?
[22:42] <pdragon> my problem is related but i'm having a different resulting issue
[22:42] <pdragon> i posted it there
[22:43] <pdragon> it won't boot the generic kernel, but does boot the 386 one that's not supposed to be there
[22:43] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: no, I'm comparing live tv between mythtv and tvtime
[22:43] <foxbuntu> pdragon, I dont think so, but I might just be wildly confused
[22:44] <pdragon> hehe ok
[22:44] <foxbuntu> ( I have been looking at bugs for 2 days)
[22:44] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, what type of tuner are you using?
[22:46] <Bojer> foxbuntu: thanks a lot for the help, i am realy embaressed i should lern to read some day
[22:47] <foxbuntu> pdragon, I would check back later tonight or sometime tomorrow night and try to catch up with superm1 as he is our ninja of the kernel
[22:47] <Bojer> foxbuntu: sorry for taking you time it works now
[22:47] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: analog V4L capture card
[22:47] <pdragon> ok
[22:47] <foxbuntu> Bojer, np, its what we are here for
[22:47] <wild_oscar> knc one tv-station rds / typho
[22:47] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, pastebin your dmesg
[22:51] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: http://pastebin.com/d3efe20fc
[22:52] <Cackette> laga
[22:52] <Cackette> you around?
[22:53] <foxbuntu> Cackette, hes not here
[22:54] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, that a USB tuner?
[22:55] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: no
[22:55] <wild_oscar> the usb video stuff is from a webcam
[22:56] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, have you made sure in mythtv-setup that its not confusing the webcam and the tuner? I have heard of it doing that with webcams involved
[22:56] <foxbuntu> ...or perhaps un-plug the webcam for testing
[23:01] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, I gtg for a bit, be back later, however I think tgm4883_laptop is around again
[23:05] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: I unplugged the webcam
[23:05] <wild_oscar> but it looks as if it's the same
[23:05] <wild_oscar> after some weird static sounds
[23:40] <foxbuntu> wild_oscar, try this for me, record something in mythtv, and try playing the recording back in myth and in VLC
[23:40] <lime4x4> will this work for using 2 folders for videos if i add this line in the mythtv setup  /var/lib/mythtv/videos:/media/sdb1/videos1
[23:41] <foxbuntu> lime4x4, are you using mythtv 0.21?
[23:41] <lime4x4> yes on hardy
[23:41] <foxbuntu> lime just create storage groups in mythtv setup
[23:42] <lime4x4> ok
[23:50] <wild_oscar> foxbuntu: how do I quickly record something?
[23:50] <superm1> i'm no ninja
[23:50] <superm1> i dont know what you are saying.
[23:50] <superm1> i dropped out of 'karate' when i was like 8
[23:54] <pdragon> hey sup
[23:54] <pdragon> upgraded to the beta and now my system won't boot with the generic kernel
[23:55] <pdragon> boots with the 386 that is apparently an accidental install, but sound and tuner don't work with it of course
[23:56] <superm1> pdragon, run update-initramfs -u
[23:56] <superm1> and then try to boot into the generic again


[09:53] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[16:53] <InHisName> Afternoon, all