[15:28] <keviv> Actually installing Ubuntu takes up 4GB, but using a live USB uses 1GB
[15:29] <keviv> 2 different devices
[15:29] <misheque> sure, because when u actually install ubuntu, it installs lot of additional packages that the live image does not have
[15:29] <TJ-> keviv: For one thing, the Live image is stored in a highly compressed squash file-system
[15:30] <keviv> misheque: anything important that I'm missing?
[15:30] <misheque> also the other way around, if u run live usb you will for example have gparted, but if you fully install fresh ubuntu, gparted won't be installed, you'll have to apt-get it yourself
[15:30] <keviv> What why is it like that?
[15:30] <keviv> TJ- any downsides to that? Like io times, etc.
[15:31] <misheque> keviv: because live image and actual install have different objectives, are optimized for different goals
[15:31] <keviv> Oh like standard use vs recovery
[15:31] <misheque> live image to be "light", low footprint\
[15:32] <TJ-> keviv: I/O times are more affected by the medium, such as DVD or USB2 vs an HDD or SSD
[15:32] <misheque> keviv: think of it as if live image was a preview, that you can extend according to your liking, but that our off the box comes slim
[15:33] <misheque> whereas the actual install assumes that this is what you will be using as a full blown user, plus you will probably not be constrained by a small size of a removable media, etc. and it by defaults will install some additional things
[15:34] <misheque> YJ: I/O times do play a role here, but let's not remember that initrd will actually go straight to RAM in case of live usb/cd
[15:34] <misheque> *not forget
[15:35] <keviv> Misheque: I get that the live version would be more stripped down, bit I was wondering why it might have tools that the standard install DOESN'T
[15:35] <TJ-> keviv: I think you were talking about a persistent multi-boot USB key earlier. I have that, I install a minimal ubuntu non-GUI to a USB as an external hard drive, that can boot on 32 bit and 64-bit architectures, with every possible driver and recovery tool installed. Requires about 1.5GB total
[15:35] <kendrick_> How do I get gnome3 ad my desktop environment?
[15:35] <accent> hi
[15:35] <keviv> Misheque: I was thinking that people use it more for recovery
[15:36] <accent> how are you there
[15:36] <clown_> - -
[15:36] <keviv> TJ- I figured I can use the 32 on any arch. Any issues with that?
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: what do you have now?
[15:37] <FuzzyWhirlpool> I wonder if 3.13 kernel will be upgraded to 3.14
[15:37] <misheque> keviv: that is one of the ways u can use it. But also, u can take ubuntu with u, and use it on any PC that the bios allows you to boot from it, without wondering what OS is onstalled on it
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: what is your present desktop environment?
[15:37] <TJ-> keviv No, I have a 32-bit userland with 32 and 64-bit kernels
[15:38] <misheque> keviv: I have suber tiny pendrive attached to my keys, so I almost always hv it with me, but I do not always carry my laptop along. If i get access to any computer anyway, I can boot ubuntu on it from my pendrive
[15:38] <misheque> if i hv persistence file, I don't hv to install my software and set my settings the way I like every time
[15:38] <TJ-> keviv: From that 32-bit userland I have a 64-bit chroot environment, too.
[15:38] <ajax0x217> And I land on the planet of IRC
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: and what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[15:39] <kendrick_> ActionParsnip, it is unity the default.
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: no, that is a shell
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: its a plugin for Compiz
[15:39] <keviv> So I thought I had "lost" my HDD for about 4 months. Guess where it was?
[15:39] <keviv> My desk. Where it's supposed to be.
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: if you are using Unity then you are using Gnome3 as the desktop environment
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: Unity does not replace gnome
[15:40] <kendrick_> ActionParsnip, how do I switch it to gnome3?
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: you have it
[15:40] <ajax0x217> Lol!! <keviv>
[15:40] <keviv> TJ- so you have 2 64-bot environments on it?
[15:40] <keviv> *bit
[15:40] <kendrick_> ActionParsnip, why did i just sudo apt-get install gnome then lol?
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: if you install gnome-shell from the official repos, log off and log in then you will be using the default Gnome shell for Gnome
[15:40] <xubuntu> hi
[15:40] <kendrick_> oic
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: you already have gnome installed, like I told you. Unity is not a DE so does not replace Gnome. You can run Compiz in LXDE if you wish
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: and you will then be able to run Unity shell
[15:42] <Mcmn> Hi. If ubuntu updates are downloaded over plain text HTTP without HTTPS, how can I know a MITM won't send me some evil updates to take over my computer?
[15:43] <xubuntu__> hi
[15:43] <xubuntu_> hi im trying xubuntu  in live but evrything is laggy
[15:43] <xubuntu_> why
[15:43] <xubuntu_> everything works but mous and all things lags a lot
[15:44] <ikonia> xubuntu_: is it visutally laggy, or slow to actually do things
[15:44] <xubuntu_> ikonia, it lags when i scroll pages when i move mouse and for the menu etc etc
[15:45] <keviv> Yeah I was having the same problem actually
[15:45] <keviv> Just visual
[15:45] <ikonia> xubuntu_: right, think about what I@ve said
[15:45] <ActionParsnip> kendrick_: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell      log off and log into gnome shell session and you will have the official shell for Gnome
[15:45] <ikonia> xubuntu_: is it just visually slow, or is it slow at actually doing things/tasks too
[15:45] <xubuntu_> ikonia, i think visually
[15:45] <xubuntu_> ikonia,  i can tell you my hw if you remember the command
[15:45] <ikonia> xubuntu_: so the first point to check would be your video card, it's support under linux, and it's current configuration
[15:45] <kendrick_> ActionParsnip, thanks
[15:46] <Mcmn> xubuntu_: I think, your computer needs some graphics driver software that is not installed on live cd.
[15:46] <xubuntu_> Mcmn, how can i get that.. i-m a newbie
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: what is the output of:   sudo lshw -C display
[15:46] <ajax0x217> I agree with Xubuntu
[15:47] <Glycan> Hi. My computer has tiny (750MB) RAM. I normally manage quite well just in a TTY, but now I have to do quite a bit of work doing stuff online that doesn't render in links (the browser). Is there any way I can make chrome run faster, maybe by dedicating more resources to it
[15:47] <Glycan> ?
[15:47] <keviv> Mcmm live 10.04 and 12.04 work fine, but 14.04 is really laggy, but only work the mouse
[15:47] <Mcmn> Hi. If ubuntu updates are downloaded over plain text HTTP without HTTPS, how can I know a MITM won't send me some evil updates to take over my computer?
[15:47] <ikonia> Glycan realistically - no
[15:48] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799031/
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: oh god those are always painful
[15:48] <keviv> Mcmn ^^
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: you may need to formulate an xorg.conf file to make it load the relevant driver.
[15:48] <keviv> Sorry I spelled your nick wrong
[15:49] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, im not able to do that
[15:49] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: sure you can, you just need to learn and research
[15:49] <Glycan> ikonia: could you explain why, please?
[15:49] <ikonia> Glycan because your OS will give whatever it can to the applications running
[15:49] <Glycan> ikonia: I remember reading something I didn't really understand enough about nicity and so forth...
[15:49] <ikonia> Glycan: so if it's not giving it more when it asks for it
[15:50] <ikonia> there is nothing more to give
[15:50] <ikonia> Glycan: what desktop environment are you running ?
[15:50] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, ok what do i gotta do
[15:50] <Glycan> ikonia: lubuntu
[15:50] <Glycan> er
[15:50] <Glycan> xfce I think
[15:50] <ikonia> Glycan may want to try lubuntu
[15:50] <Glycan> I am using lubuntu
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: search online for sample xorg.conf files for an S3 UniChrome Pro
[15:51] <ikonia> Glycan: you're not really going to get much better
[15:51] <ajax0x217> I agree with Xubuntu?
[15:51] <ikonia> Glycan: you can tune/tweak/nice but it's not going to make any realistic improvement if your machine is running out of resources
[15:51] <Glycan> surely there are a bunch of background processes that I could give less resources?
[15:51] <ikonia> Glycan: kill anything you're not using
[15:51] <keviv> Glycan: why not just buy a RAM stick?
[15:51] <ikonia> Glycan: any applications/jobs/processes that you don't need, stop/kill them
[15:51] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, thank you. anyway that-s not slow. but seeing it its slow. you got what i mean_
[15:52] <ajax0x217> quit
[15:52] <Glycan> actually, how would I go about finding out why exactly it lags?
[15:52] <keviv> They're not expensive
[15:52] <Glycan> keviv: RAM stick?
[15:52] <keviv> Laptop or desktop?
[15:52] <keviv> Glycan ^^
[15:52] <Glycan> laptop
[15:52] <Glycan> Dell D400.
[15:52] <ikonia> Glycan: the other option is that your video card is not setup right, and it's visually slow to render/draw but there are no other resource issues
[15:53] <keviv> http://www.newegg.com/Laptop-Memory/SubCategory/ID-381
[15:53] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, so the probelm is only gpu?
[15:53] <keviv> Glycan ^^
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: there is no driver loaded for it, there is an opensource driver available but udev doesnt seem to have picked it up
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: either that or your display isnt reporting EDID correctly
[15:54] <Glycan> keviv: I'll check it out, thanks.
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: you wont get 3D accelleration or 3D gaming with that GPU under Linux
[15:54] <Mcmn> Hi. If ubuntu updates are downloaded over plain text HTTP without HTTPS, how can I know a MITM won't send me some evil updates to take over my computer?  So is it only if I download new releases and compare hashsum. Other times it's not safe for me if I use update manager because they download on plain http??
[15:54] <Glycan> ikonia: that sounds very possible, how would I go about finding that out?
[15:54] <Glycan> ikonia: and generally tuning/tweaking general
[15:55] <ikonia> Glycan: tuning/tweaking won't get you anywhere if you are out of resources
[15:55] <Glycan> ikonia: at all?
[15:55] <kasiisomi> looking for recovery tool  cuz testdisk fails  to recover the drive
[15:55] <ikonia> Glycan: look at what video card you've got, what xorg module it should use, check it's using it and configured correctrly
[15:55] <ikonia> Glycan: if you're out of resources, your out of resources....
[15:56] <keviv> And Glycan, depending on where you live, you might have a store that would be cheaper, BUT not all ram is created equally. You'll have to read some reviews/tech blogs to figure out what the best balance between price and performance is for you
[15:56] <Mcmn> ActionParsnip: Can u please help me with my question?
[15:57] <Glycan> keviv, ikonia: thank you
[15:57] <Glycan> ikonia: how does swap factor in?
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> Mcmn: because there is a hash of each package which is checked when it is downloaded
[15:57] <ikonia> it makes your machine slow as it's swapping out
[15:57] <ikonia> Glycan: again - if you're out of resources, you're out of resources
[15:57] <Glycan> I don't follow.
[15:58] <Mcmn> ActionParsnip: but even that hashfile can be changed according to the changed update files if MITM decides, can't he?
[15:58] <ikonia> Glycan: you have resources, you have applications/OS asking for resources, if they want more than you have - your machine slows down while it swaps
[15:58] <Glycan> I have space on my drive (I mostly keep my stuff online) - wouldn't increasing swap help?
[15:58] <Glycan> oh
[15:58] <keviv> Mcmn, isn't there a way to do http only
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: you will need more RAM if you want less swapping
[15:58] <Glycan> What would increasing swap do?
[15:58] <ikonia> make things worse
[15:59] <Glycan> ...really? how?
[15:59] <Glycan> I mean memory allocated to the swap partition
[15:59] <ikonia> Glycan: please try to understand "if you don't have enough resources" - you do not have enough resources, you can't "trick" or "cheat it"
[15:59] <ikonia> memory allocated to the swap partition ???
[15:59] <robairt> Is this like a vm or something?
[16:00] <Glycan> When partitioning, you allocate a certain amount of your drive to be the partition used as swap, no?
[16:00] <ikonia> Glycan: thats right
[16:00] <Glycan> Right, so if you have more of that, why would things be worse?
[16:00] <Glycan> wouldn't you have to swap less if you have more memory to swap into?
[16:00] <Glycan> less times*
[16:00] <ikonia> Glycan: because more software that "should" be running in nice fast ram, is swapped out to bad slow disk
[16:00] <ikonia> Glycan: and everytime it wants to use that resource, it has to swap it in/out of ram/disk which is work
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: how much RAM do you have?
[16:01] <Mcmn> keviv http = no security. So I wonder if a MITM can changed files,he can also change hashsums accordingly?
[16:01] <Glycan> ActionParsnip: 750MB
[16:01] <Mcmn> keviv to match the sums with changed files?
[16:01] <keviv> Mcmn, sorry I meant https
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Mcmn: I think you are being too paranoid. Debian has worked this way fr years.
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: 1Gb RAM costs peanuts
[16:01] <Spec> Mcmn: if you're talking about packages over http -- they are signed cryptographically
[16:02] <Spec> Mcmn: can't correctly calculate a *signed* hash
[16:02] <Glycan> ikonia: hang on, but surely having less available swap doesn't make things better...
[16:02] <ikonia> Glycan: it can do
[16:02] <Spec> sorry, keviv, ^
[16:02] <ikonia> Glycan: or it just doesn't get used/wasted
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: how much swap space do you have currently?
[16:02] <keviv> Mcmn, no it's my bad
[16:02] <Glycan> ActionParsnip: uhh, just a moment
[16:03] <Mcmn> Spec that means even if hashsums are changed by mitm on route, then cryptographically checking the hashsum file will fail and warn the user?
[16:03] <Spec> yes
[16:03] <Spec> or it'll be re(signed) by the attacker, and it'll tell you you don't trust the signature
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> Mcmn: you need to chillout dude, they aren't coming to get you
[16:03] <Spec> ActionParsnip: that attitude is a dangerous one, many package distribution things have been the target of sophisticated attacks.
[16:04] <Spec> the better attitude is knowing there are cryptographic processes in place that prevent these attacks
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> Spec: so the average user (aimed at the average PC user) needs to know this stuff?
[16:04] <Spec> ActionParsnip: if they care about it, they can be assured.
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: free -m | tail -n 1 | awk {'print $4'}
[16:05] <Mcmn> Spec Does update manager know which signatures to trust by default? So if i compare hashsums when downloading iso of new release, that is enough to get trustable signatures known by update manager?
[16:05] <Spec> Mcmn: signatures are in the debian key ring
[16:05] <Spec> Mcmn: apt-key list to see them all
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> Spec: I let the system do its job, nice and easy
[16:05] <Mcmn> Spec: ActionParsnip: Thanks for the help. Have a nice day!
[16:05] <Spec> Mcmn: oh, well, downloading iso from new release, that's slightly different
[16:05] <Spec> Mcmn: downloading an iso you should get the md5sum or sha1sum from HTTPS
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> Mcmn: plus using torrents helps too
[16:06] <Spec> Mcmn: but the iso need not be from https, just the checksum
[16:06] <Spec> it's also a good idea anyways, to verify the integrity of the download.
[16:07] <Glycan> ActionParsnip: that's free, don't you want total swap? and it's the same as my RAM - 750
[16:07] <Mcmn> Spec: Thanks, i understand now. I will read up on this,
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: free shows swap too
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: run:   free -m      you will see the full output
[16:10] <keviv> Spec: how do you know that the original image wasn't altered? Like when you're just burning a live cd
[16:10] <Glycan> ActionParsnip: I mean, that's free swap, and not total swap, what your command would of shown.
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: my command just carves out the amount of assigned swap space in the system
[16:10] <Spec> keviv: take md5sum and comapre with md5sum from distributer, that you received over SSL
[16:10] <keviv> Spec: true true
[16:10] <Spec> keviv: and/or, grab the *signed md5sum* file and verify the signature first, and then verify the md5sum of the iso
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: ah then {'print $2'} instead of {'print $4'}
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: my bad
[16:11] <Glycan> (I'm a noob, but not a script kiddie...)
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> Glycan: well, you can count ;)
[16:11] <Glycan> :D
[16:12] <oscarhbp> como instalo hdmi
[16:13] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, i searched for somethign about this gpu and xorg.conf but i dind-t get anything of what i read
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> !es | oscarhbp
[16:13] <keviv> Glycan: I don't get that term. I've yet to meet one. Like plenty of noobs (myself included) and that's fine, but I don't know anyone who just blindly hoardes scripts and doesn't know how they work
[16:13] <xubuntu_> im a newbie
[16:14] <xubuntu_> i wanted to replace xp for xubuntu on my uncle-s pc but .... i think i gotta switch back to xp and i-m sad of that
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: XP is no longer supported by Microsoft. I wouldnt bother with it.
[16:16] <keviv> Speaking of XP, are there any good XP Luna themes for unity? Like to draw less attention to tour screen
[16:16] <Glycan> keviv: I personally know at least one person who blindly pastes scripts hoping that they'll work (although with the intent of fixing his computer, however) and I've heard of myriad others - moreover, I don't feel like there's anything particualrly bad in that if they're honest about it (if it's not a priority for them).
[16:16] <Ascavasaion> I tried to move a file from my laptop's hard disk to an external hard disk.  I was using Nautilus.  There was an error, and now the original file is gone, and on the external HDD the destination directory is inaccessible with Nautilus, but if I use Terminal I can access the directory, and do a directory listing with ls -l.  However the file I copied is there but there is a ? for permissions, user, owner, filesize, and the date.
[16:16] <Ascavasaion> Please can someone help me to retrieve the file.
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: is there scope in the system to upgrade the GPU?
[16:17] <keviv> Glycan: yea but I think the connotation is that they aren't up front about it. Like they claim they're soopur haxx0rz and shit
[16:17] <oscarhbp> ok muchas gracias
[16:17] <Glycan> keviv: yes, it generally is
[16:18] <daniel32> hi all. hope you're enjoying this lovely day. can I use the ubuntu startup disc creator to make a multiboot disc? i have a couple of different ubuntu-based distros I need to demonstrate to some people...
[16:18] <Glycan> ikonia: your previous comment about video cards not being configured properly - you mean the drivers, right?
[16:19] <keviv> Glycan: actually now that I think about it, I do know a couple: one who's up front about it, and then one who "hacked together" his own "api" for OS X that can unlock it from the inside
[16:19] <xangua> daniel32: no, you can't use it to create a multiboot disc
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> daniel32: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[16:20] <keviv> And I'm no OS X wiz, but I thought that the reason that TeamViewer is crippled on OS X is cause there's no exposed system call to unlock a session
[16:20] <keviv> Glycan ^^
[16:20] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> gabriela responde
[16:21] <keviv> creeperexplosiv, when did you say something?
[16:21] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> por el chat se creto
[16:21] <gowtham> help
[16:21] <Glycan> keviv: I've used an apple device maybe five times in my life.
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> gowtham: wassup
[16:21] <MACscr> hmm, should i be doing this a different way in order to get the proper linux-source package installed with using a static kernel version?
[16:21] <Glycan> I am not in a position to answer.
[16:21] <MACscr> http://pastie.org/pastes/9394045/text?key=a02ldaxvchhiecu8eovw
[16:22] <Lope> https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase - When I try secure erase my SSD by following the steps here, the command finishes in 0.6 sec... Any ideas?
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> !find linux-source
[16:22] <keviv> Glycan haha yeah they're not much to my liking
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> Lope: try dban to clear deives, or dd
[16:22] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, is there a way to upgrade gpu excluding this one lagging?
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: is the system a desktop or a laptop?
[16:22] <rubytor> CREEEPEREXPLOSIV: la mayoria aqui habla ingles.... si quieres puedes preguntar en #ubuntu-es
[16:22] <Lope> ActionParsnip: not a bad idea but isn't secure erase a better method?
[16:22] <robairt> or a potato
[16:23] <daniel32> thanks actionparsnip
[16:23] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> gabrielaa
[16:23] <keviv> Rubytor: what other languages are there support communities for?
[16:23]  * idefinehell
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> Lope: with a single sweep, the data is gone. It is a secure sweep
[16:24] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> por elchat secreto
[16:24] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, desktop
[16:24] <TJ-> MACscr: "apt-cache search ^linux-source" will show you want the package "linux-source-3.13.0"
[16:24] <the_gryffyn> Hey, guys!
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: then buy a cheap Nvidia graphic card and install it. You will be fine
[16:24] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, i can try to replace the gpu with another one if there is a way to exluding this one and make in way this one will not work
[16:24] <MACscr> TJ-: ok, so how do i do it in dynamic fashion like i can for the headers?
[16:24] <rubytor> keviv: honestly I don't know... I just speak spanish and english therefore I know both channels
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: you will need to disable the S3 GPU in BIOS
[16:25] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, but i think it-s integrated no? so can i exclude this from the system?
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: chck your system to see what sort it will take.
[16:25] <keviv> Rubytor: gotchu
[16:25] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, ok thank you. i think i can find another gpu without paying anything in my father-s office.. so i-lll try that. tahnk you very uch
[16:25] <CREEEPEREXPLOSIV> gabi conetate pli
[16:25] <Pici> keviv: Lots. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList (the Local Ubuntu Channels part)
[16:26] <daniel32> by the by, whats the unique selling point for xubuntu these days, othe than for people who like xfce? I thought it was billed as a smaller, faster ubuntu. but both 14.04s have the same system requirements, apparently...
[16:26] <rubytor> keviv: try #ubuntu-.. then the first 2 letters of the lenguage
[16:26] <kantlivelong> is there a way to disable Aero in Chromium 34?
[16:27] <TheNig> hi altogether
[16:27] <xubuntu_> ActionParsnip, anyway., for now, im gonna try with lubuntu. do you think im wasting my time until ill change gpu?
[16:27] <keviv> Pici: damn that's a ton! And why is there one for each state?
[16:27] <xubuntu_> im sorry for my bad english but thats not my first language
[16:27] <Pici> keviv: user groups
[16:27] <keviv> ?
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> xubuntu_: lubuntu is lighter still, may help
[16:28] <the_gryffyn> Each state?
[16:28] <the_gryffyn> I think you are wrong about that.
[16:28] <TJ-> MACscr: You can't - easily - the latest source package is always found by "linux-generic"
[16:28] <keviv> The_gryffyn: check that link
[16:28] <kantlivelong> srry. Aura
[16:28] <Pici> keviv: They are local user groups. LoCo teams.
[16:29] <MACscr> TJ-: actually wouldnt just linux-source do it?
[16:29] <the_gryffyn> keviv, which link?
[16:29] <keviv> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[16:30] <TJ-> MACscr: it will, yes
[16:30] <TheNig> hi, lxde or xfce for better performance (on old computers)
[16:30] <the_gryffyn> keviv, sorry. Yes, you are right. That is weird.
[16:30] <TheNig> ?
[16:31] <keviv> The_gryffyn: NP. I thought that's weird myself
[16:31] <keviv> Pici: what are they for
[16:31] <keviv> ?
[16:31] <Pici> keviv: Ever heard of a LUG? They're like that, but for Ubuntu.
[16:31] <the_gryffyn> keviv, I believe that those channels are for the Ubuntu Teams in each state.
[16:31] <Pici> yes
[16:32] <keviv> OK gotchu
[16:32] <keviv> Do they actually meet in person sometimes?
[16:32] <TJ-> MACscr: If you want the source to match a particular kernel version though - not the latest - you're better off using e.g. "git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-utopic.git ubuntu-utopic" and then checkout the relevant release tag with "git checkout ..."
[16:33] <the_gryffyn> keviv, I assume so, but they just have so many people spread out that IRC is easier.
[16:33] <keviv> Hey guys, looking at the HDD for an installation, how can you tell the version?
[16:33] <keviv> I'm not running from it
[16:33] <Pici> keviv: Yes. See http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/ and #ubuntu-locoteams
[16:34] <Pici> keviv: look at the contents /etc/issue
[16:34] <StarKat> uname -r
[16:34] <keviv> Pici: thanks :)
[16:35] <keviv> Pici: what's the "\n \l"?
[16:35] <the_gryffyn> StarKat, he means the HDD, not booted.
[16:35] <keviv> Pici: Is that new line-space-something?
[16:35] <Pici> keviv: yeah
[16:37] <keviv> Pici: do you know what it is? It isn't one of the python escaped characters?
[16:37] <Lope> I guess my security erase worked fine. It happened in 0.6 seconds. I guess that's how long it takes on my 40GB SSD.
[16:37] <bigbrovar> I can't seem to burn cds on ubuntu 14.04
[16:37] <the_gryffyn> Lope, That's really short..... even for a 40gb.
[16:37] <bigbrovar> everytime I try and insert a blank cd I get a location is ready mounted error
[16:38] <keviv> The_gryffyn maybe cause it's a SSD?
[16:38] <Pici> keviv: I'm not sure what the \l is.  the \n is a newline.
[16:38] <bigbrovar> I only get an option to create an image
[16:38] <the_gryffyn> keviv, maybe, but a secure erase on an SSD just resets the blocks to zero, so it should be the same.
[16:38] <Lope> the_gryffyn: that's what I thought. But the security password gets cleared after I do the security erase command so I guess it works. And I can't do the security erase command without setting the password. so that all seems legit.
[16:39] <bigbrovar> however when I create the image.. it is saved with a .bin extension... and even though I used braseror to create this file.. braseror is unable to write this file to a cd
[16:39] <the_gryffyn> Lope, Ok then! I haven't had much experience secure erasing SSDs before.
[16:40] <milan_> Check this out! http://99daysoffreedom.com/
[16:40] <mint__> When was the raring repository removed from archive.ubuntu.com?
[16:40] <the_gryffyn> milan_, nice!
[16:40] <keviv> The_gryffyn Lope I was thinking that maybe SSDs can erase all bits at once, instead of one at a time (or 1 per head at a time iirc) like a HDD
[16:40] <bigbrovar> its really weird and frustrating.. spending close to 2 hours trying to burn a freaging cd so I can play me some guerrilas and jamiroquai on my way home from work.. I mean seriously.. its hardly the most complicated task for a modern operating system gosh!
[16:41] <Pici> mint__: probably recently.  It has been out of support for over 6 months now.
[16:41] <pravinmishra> How do I check gcc version on my system?
[16:42] <Lope> keviv: makes sense buddy.
[16:42] <Lope> I'm gonna setup my 40GB SSD as a caching drive for bcache. How over-provisioned do you think the corsair F40 (40GB SSD is?). I'm wondering if I should make a partition for my cache that's only 93% of the 40GB and leave the other space empty?
[16:42] <mint__> Pici: I'd like to know the month, if not the exact date. raring went out of support in January, but was the repo still on archive.ubuntu.com after January?
[16:42] <keviv> Pici: "\l" isn't listed in the man page for echo...
[16:42] <mint__> pravinmishra: apt-cache policy gcc
[16:42] <MACscr> I think its funny/sad that people are up in arms about the whole facebook thing
[16:42] <bigbrovar> apparently this is a know bug with ubuntu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1071739 which is marked low has been confirmed and since 2012..
[16:43] <pravinmishra> mint__: thanks
[16:43] <Pici> mint__: Typically, the archive admins do not remove the release from the server the day that it goes EOL.  Support ended on January 27, 2014 for raring.
[16:43] <bigbrovar> I spent the better part of today configuring ldap and kerberos..  I meant my laptop not work servers... burning a simple cd should not be as hard as configuring ldap and kerberos
[16:46] <mint__> if you need help, ask a question and wait until somebody answers. leave emotional language out of here, thanks
[16:46] <keviv> Pici: If I want to upgrade that installation, can I just overwrite the boot part with a new image?
[16:46] <the_gryffyn> bigbrovar, I agree. There is support for it out of the box, so I have no idea.
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> bigbrovar  what goes wrong when you try to burn a cd?
[16:47] <bigbrovar> I get a location already mounted error
[16:47] <bigbrovar> which is really weird
[16:47] <MonkeyDust> bigbrovar  a dialog should popup when you insert the empty cd
[16:47] <the_gryffyn> Try unmounting everything in the CD drive.
[16:48] <Pici> keviv: what do you mean by "upgrade"?
[16:48] <keviv> Like 12.10 to 14.04
[16:48] <mint__> bigbrovar: does that message impede you to burn the disk?
[16:49] <Pici> keviv: firstly, you can't upgrade directly from 12.10 to 14.04, secondly that sort of upgrade requires the OS be running, you can't just replace the kernel image and have it work.
[16:49] <bigbrovar> mint__, well it says cant write to disk then gives the reasons as location already mounted
[16:49] <keviv> Pici: so what are valid upgrade paths? And why must the OS be running
[16:50] <the_gryffyn> keviv, you need to upgrade to 13.04 by reinstalling from DVD or USB, then upgrading to 14.04 the same way.
[16:50] <the_gryffyn> Backup first, though.
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> keviv  backup, the clean install is the fastest, easiest and most efficient
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> way
[16:50] <Pici> keviv: I guess you could chroot into the drive and run the install. You can only upgrade from one release to the next, or from one LTS to the next.  So you'd need to do 12.10->13.04->13.10->14.04
[16:51] <keviv> Boy that's a lot of upgrades
[16:51] <keviv> OK thanks guys!
[16:51] <MonkeyDust> keviv  backup, then clean install is the fastest, easiest and most efficient way    <-- typos removed
[16:51] <bigbrovar> ahh nothing is working.. heading home .. thanks everyone who tried to help
[16:52] <netameta> ufw allow 53 -- how do i allow range ?
[16:53] <the_gryffyn> keviv, I agree with MonkeyDust. Backup then fresh install of 14.04. Simplest, and easiest.
[16:53] <keviv> The_gryffyn: I can just backup /home, format, install 14.04, and then move /home back onto it right?
[16:54] <the_gryffyn> keviv, yes, but you may want to backup PPAs and installed packages.
[16:55] <the_gryffyn> keviv, to do so, install "aptik". It can backup apps, and PPAs.
[16:55] <keviv> The_gryffyn I hadn't installed much anyway
[16:55] <keviv> Might it be better to just apt-get stuff as I need it?
[16:55] <the_gryffyn> keviv, yes.
[16:55] <keviv> OK cool
[16:55] <TJ-> keviv: You should also back-up "/etc/*" in case it contains system-settings you later need to copy over
[16:56] <tshot> Hi
[16:56] <the_gryffyn> I agree, TJ-
[16:56] <keviv> TJ- all of it?
[16:56] <the_gryffyn> That's what the /* means.
[16:56] <keviv> There's nothing that would conflict though?
[16:56] <TJ-> keviv: I do... it's only text files mostly... not much space, especially as a tar.gz
[16:57] <the_gryffyn> No, not really.
[16:57] <Pici> keviv: don't blindly copy that on top of your new install though.
[16:57] <TJ-> keviv: I keep old "/etc/" from every release, just in case there's something in one I need again later and have forgotten about.
[16:57] <keviv> Oh so just selectively if I need something ok
[16:57] <TJ-> keviv: If I realise something is missing, I can go look through the back-ups
[16:57] <keviv> That's a good idea then
[16:58] <the_gryffyn> keviv, you should create the DVD or USB beforehand and backup the other things, then wipe.
[16:58] <the_gryffyn> That was slightly obvious, though.
[16:58] <the_gryffyn> I need to go now, thanks guys!
[16:58] <concord> Any word on the ubuntu phone?
[16:58] <keviv> Thanks the_gryffyn!
[16:59] <TJ-> keviv: Also, if you've done much using 'sudo' as root, think about backing up "/root/" in case there's saved preferences, key-files, etc., there too
[16:59] <DJones> concord: Probably best asking in #ubuntu-touch for that
[16:59] <concord> DJones: thanks
[16:59] <TJ-> keviv: I'm thinking particularly of SSH keys in "/root/.ssh/"
[17:00] <keviv> TJ- I really don't think that I even used it once actually. I can't seem to get the stupid win 8 secure boot out of the way
[17:00] <TJ-> keviv: Also... !!! .... if you've created virtual machines, you may want to back those images up (e.g. "/var/lib/libvirt/" )
[17:02] <keviv> TJ- OK so I won't have to this time, but in the future I should bak /home/, /etc/, /root/, and /var/lib/libvrt/ (if I've created any VMs) right?
[17:02] <tinker> log in as root, is it enough to sudo?
[17:04] <fff> i'm the guy facing troubles with xubuntu who's the guy was heloping me?
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> fff  ask the channel
[17:05] <fff> anyway
[17:05] <fff> what is that?
[17:05] <TJ-> keviv: There is an easier way, the way I do it. Install using LVM Logical Volumes ... don't allocate all the space, just enough for what is needed. Seperate out per-release directories (root-fs, /var/) from cross-release (/home/, /usr/local/ /var/lib/libvirt/, etc.) one LV each as separate mountpoints... then when you want to do a clean install you can do it alongside those without deleting or disturbing them, simply by allocating additional space to new LVs for t
[17:05] <TJ-> he new install
[17:05] <fff> is that the support channel?
[17:05] <MonkeyDust> fff  this is the support channel yes
[17:06] <netameta> i am trying to set up nodeMailer. getting connrefus errror, how can i connect to a certain address to check if something blocks it in ubuntu
[17:06] <fff> ok
[17:06] <keviv> TJ- yea I did that with /home but I didn't think to do it with anything ekset
[17:06] <keviv> *else
[17:07] <fff> my gpu was lagging a lot whit xubuntu but everythign worked good. i tried lubuntu finally it's good,. but i don't know why it don't get my usb pen for wifi modem
[17:07] <fff> how can i get the internet access?
[17:07] <TJ-> keviv: my current LV mounts: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799368/
[17:08] <netameta> Anyone ?
[17:09] <MonkeyDust> netameta  don't say "anyone?", better repeat your question every 10 minutes or so, until someone can help
[17:09] <fff> MonkeyDust: do you how i can solve that
[17:09] <netameta> ok
[17:10] <netameta> how can i check if i can connect to a certain address to make sure its not blocked
[17:11] <keviv> TJ- oh. Why not one volume for all of /home?
[17:13] <TJ-> keviv: Because I have a "/home/all/" as a base mountpoint for all file-systems shared across users
[17:14] <TJ-> keviv: By using LVs like that they can be extended and shrunk as needed. I do a lot of software build and test, so file-systems grow and shrink alot
[17:14] <keviv> But why not count /home as one fs? It'll still shrink and grow, but less to handle
[17:17] <TJ-> keviv: Because if /home/ file-system is purely for user home directories ... separation into separate smaller file-system makes snapshots, backups, sharing and cloning more fine-grained and easier to manage
[17:18] <keviv> TJ- okay well I'd probably only be using it for light programing, and probably torrenting anyway
[17:18] <TJ-> keviv: If I boot into an alternate OS install, I can still mount some of those file-systems without needing to do anything special to protect /home/ from being modified in a way that would upset the user accounts
[17:19] <keviv> Oh true
[17:19] <TJ-> keviv: Another useful aspect of LVs is, if say VirtualMachines runs out of space that won't affect my /home/$USER/ directory
[17:19] <Malsasa> Hello, I was using Chromium 25 (and today 34). Everyday, no problem in my Ubuntu 12.04 since first install in 2012. But now, I don't know why, everytime I start Chromium (or Rekonq or Konqueror) to browse, I get my cursor disappearing. It is very annoying. It disappear when I click, right click, hover to a button that has tooltip, and always disappear when scrolling. Just open Chromium/those browsers and my cursor disappearing in every other applications
[17:19] <Malsasa> (including Libreoffice and Dolphin). This problem doesn't occured in Firefox at all. I have asked #freedesktop and a guy say "it is strange, i can't help", I have googled and try many ways from askubuntu, it is same. I don't have any idea why this problem occured. Any idea for me? Thank you. I use Ubuntu 12.04, Chromium 34 from official repo.
[17:19] <TJ-> keviv: so no weird 0-length config files that then cause strange failures in applications
[17:21] <keviv> TJ- yeah that's one reason that I did one volume for /home, bit it makes sense to make a new volume for each categorical subdirectory within /home
[17:22] <TJ-> keviv: I've had servers that have run out of space for "/var/log/" and having that in its own file-system helps prevent wider system issues if "/var/" would be out of space instead
[17:23] <netameta> how can i check if i can connect to a certain address to make sure its not blocked
[17:23] <keviv> TJ- I like that
[17:23] <keviv> netameta ping
[17:23] <netameta> ping address port ?
[17:24] <TJ-> keviv: The best part of using LVs is being able to do "sudo lvextend -L +4G VG/LV && sudo resize2fs /dev/mapper/VG-LV" and have it do an online resize without needing an unmount
[17:24] <TJ-> netameta: Is it a TCP port? is it TLS/SSL? You can use "telnet $IP $PORT" or "openssl s_client -connect $IP:$PORT"
[17:25] <keviv> Netameta: is it a remote address or are you testing a local poet?
[17:25] <netameta> its a secure smpt server
[17:25] <keviv> *port
[17:25] <TJ-> netameta: OK, use the s_client approach then
[17:25] <netameta> like smtp.gmail.com 465
[17:26] <keviv> TJ- O.O that's awesome
[17:26] <netameta> you have any article or link about that so i can read ?
[17:26] <TJ-> netameta: "openssl s_client smtp.gmail.com:465" => "220 mx.google.com ESMTP jb16sm46045978wic.10 - gsmtp" => "QUIT"
[17:27] <netameta> so 220 mx.google.com ESMTP d10sm26952397qaq.10 - gsmtp means its not blocked ?
[17:28] <TJ-> netameta: That's the SMTP server talking :)
[17:28] <netameta> ah
[17:28] <netameta> Crap so it is open to me..
[17:28] <TJ-> netameta: send it "QUIT" to drop the connection
[17:28] <netameta> there's something else then
[17:28] <netameta> Ahh this is awesome i can talk back
[17:29] <keviv> That reminds me I still need to change my passwords back from heartbleed
[17:30] <TJ-> netameta: You can send an email that way "EHLO your.domain.tld" then "MAIL FROM<EMAIL_ADDRESS>At this point you may require to do "AUTH LOGIN"
[17:31] <sambuco> let's check everything
[17:32] <TJ-> netameta: Are you trying to deliver mail to Gmail, or use it as your upstream SMTP relay (if Google provides your email service)
[17:32] <ssarah> guys, whats the keyboard shorcut to move windows to the right or left?
[17:32] <ssarah> like in windows: Winkey+Left or +Right
[17:33] <netameta> i am trying to setup a mail client on nodeMailer
[17:33] <netameta> TJ- is it possible that i need to configure my nginx or it shouldnt matter ?
[17:34] <TJ-> netameta: But is that Google SMTP service your upstream SMTP relay? The AUTH challenge suggests that it is only for authorised customers to send their mail via, so your client will need to AUTH with some gmail credentials
[17:36] <netameta> TJ-, My client do authenticate with username/password
[17:36] <TJ-> netameta: OK, so you've got a local config issue then, it sounds like
[17:37] <netameta> it should not have anything to do with appache or nginx right ? i mean this is more for http server
[17:37] <netameta> those*
[17:38] <TJ-> netameta: I doubt an HTTP server is going to have anything to do with the SMTP client, but I'm not familiar with what you're doing
[17:38] <netameta> TJ- Thanks very much for you're help
[17:47] <Lope> why is bcache-tools not in the main ubuntu repo? how can I install it?
[17:51] <MonkeyDust> !find bcache
[17:52] <Pici> Lope: Their website states that there is a PPA available.  It doesn't look like it has been submitted to the repositories for inclusion.
[17:52] <TJ-> Lope: Ubuntu inherits/syncs most packages from Debian. bcache is currently in debian-mentoring
[17:52] <Pici> or that.
[17:52] <TJ-> Lope see http://mentors.debian.net/package/bcache-tools
[17:53] <Lope> thanks
[17:56] <mojtaba> Hi, I have two ubuntu machine behind the router in the same LAN segment. Is there anyway to ssh them without changing the port number of one of them?
[17:58]  * MonkeyDust has never changed a port for ssh
[17:58] <MonkeyDust> mojtaba  why would you change a port?
[17:59] <MonkeyDust> mojtaba  are you trying to ssh them from outside the LAN?
[18:00] <Alpha-Omega> Does anyone know why MPV doesn't show an OSD on version 14.04?
[18:00] <mojtaba> MonkeyDust: Yes, both at the same time
[18:00] <Alpha-Omega> I see that there should be an OSD to control, and seek, and volume, but I don't see anything.
[18:00] <^Lestat> um, I downloaded a tarball of sublime text 2. Wehre should I extract it to?
[18:02] <OerHeks> ^Lestat, an universal place can be /opt/<folder>
[18:03] <^Lestat> hmmm
[18:04] <gimmic> using netboot, can you point the install at an older kernel?
[18:04] <gimmic> maybe with preseed?
[18:05] <^Lestat> is that in home/opt ?
[18:05] <^Lestat> answer: no
[18:05] <^Lestat> I need to think BEFORE I ask
[18:06] <OerHeks> no, /opt/ is in the root of your system /
[18:06] <OerHeks> it will be available to all users, if you config it right
[18:12] <mojtaba> any idea? MonkeyDust
[18:16] <OerHeks> mojtaba, easiest way is to give one ssh service a different port, and forward that port in your router, so you can reach both from WAN
[18:16] <mojtaba> OerHeks: Is there any other way to do this?
[18:16] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/InstallingConfiguringTesting#Start_sshd_on_a_Different_Listening_Port
[18:17] <OerHeks> mojtaba, not that i know
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[18:23] <danbower> i've got a dual monitor setup and i'm experiencing an issue where program A sitting within monitor X outputs prompts to monitor Y. any way to sort this?
[18:23] <nnathanb> is it ok to restart a server while services are running on it eg apache
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> danbower: did you try xrandr
[18:24] <danbower> never heard of it..i'll look into it now. thanks lotuspsychje
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | danbower
[18:24] <Myrtti> nnathanb: uh, what do you actually mean by that?
[18:25] <nnathanb> Myrtti, well if apache is currently running server users, should it be stopped before issuing shutdown -r now
[18:26] <Myrtti> nnathanb: the services will be stopped anyway before shutdown
[18:26] <nnathanb> i understand that but will they be shutdown correctly ?
[18:27] <hotmedal> Can anyone tell me how a possibly corrupt SD card can cause Kernel Panic just by trying to read from it?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: i have seen some issues before with sdcard slot and weird errors in syslog
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: what version of ubuntu is this?
[18:28] <hotmedal> lotuspsychje: 14.04
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: maybe try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and play with your sdcard a bit for realtime errors
[18:29] <hotmedal> unfortunately I no longer have the culprit SD card
[18:29] <hotmedal> but I do have another question
[18:30] <Myrtti> nnathanb: I don't see why not
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: ask mate
[18:31] <hotmedal> on startup I see a bunch of lines sometimes with "ata" in them. Can't really read it all. But most of the times they arent there, there's just something about cfg wl (the wifi driver). Where can I see the log?
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: /var/log/syslog
[18:31] <jumanji> hey guys can someone recommend a firewall that lets me block all ips except for the ip of mydomain.com
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> hotmedal: or dmesg in terminal
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> !firewall | jumanji
[18:35] <hotmedal> lotuspsychje: hotmedal@hotmedal-Lenovo:~$ dmesg | grep DRDY
[18:35] <hotmedal> [    5.458481] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <hotmedal> [    5.795784] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <hotmedal> [   27.460318] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <hotmedal> [   27.809893] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <hotmedal> [   29.116344] ata3.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
[18:35] <unopaste> hotmedal you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[18:35] <unopaste> hotmedal you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[18:35] <MarkyC> hotmedal: ~pastebin
[18:37] <hotmedal> crap
[18:37] <hotmedal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799735/
[18:40] <hotmedal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799735/    < did this go through?
[18:40] <Beldar> hotmedal, If you see it we do, and the frustration comment is not needed.
[18:41] <hotmedal> sorry, didn't think that would be too many lines
[18:44] <hotmedal> Google says run fsck, should I?
[18:45] <Beldar> hotmedal, From a quick look at DRDY I see bad HD, and connectios in general, do a smart check from disks top right gear drop down.
[18:45] <Loshki> hotmedal: this is usually a disk error (grep for ata3.00 in your dmesg) I think, due to the disk not being ready. It could mean the disk is pre-failure, or it could be the disk needs time to spin up. An fsck can't hurt, followed by SMART checks.
[18:46] <thephreak> hey quick question, I'm running 12.04 (precise) and trying to upgrade to 12.10, none of the mirrors seem to have the quantal files. I'm getting the error: quantal.tar.gz.gpg
[18:47] <IdleOne> thephreak: that is because 12.10 is EOL
[18:47] <IdleOne> !EOL
[18:48] <Beldar> thephreak, 12.10 and 13.04 are eol and 13.10 will be within weeks, I would go to 14.04 when it shows in the update/upgrade gui and be backed up.
[18:49] <thephreak> okay, can I upgrade to another release then? I'd rather not do a fresh install
[18:49] <thephreak> .
[18:50] <kostkon> thephreak, when 14.04.1 comes out you will be given the option to upgrade to it. That in a couple of weeks
[18:50] <Beldar> thephreak, I answered that.
[18:50] <kostkon> thephreak, just be patient
[18:50] <thephreak> sorry so much scrolls by in my little term window with all the join/quit messages.
[18:50] <thephreak> Thank you very much
[18:51] <Beldar> thephreak, You can turn of the join/quit
[18:51] <thephreak> in epic4?
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> thephreak  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule  <-- july 24
[18:52] <Beldar> thephreak, Any app by telling the freenode server.
[18:53] <thephreak> oh perfect, I see
[18:53] <keviv> Is there a built-in key combo to launch a terminal emulator?
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> keviv  ctrl alt t
[18:53] <keviv> Thanks.
[18:56] <gadgetron> Hey guys. Need some advice on boot issues in trusty
[18:56] <Lope> I need to decide between bcache enhanceIO and dm-cache. I'm starting with an empty backing drive and an empty cache drive. So although people complain about having to start with empty drives, that doesn't matter to me. What do you think?
[18:57] <anonymous_> I installed google chrome stable but he won't рун
[18:57] <anonymous_> run*
[18:58] <gadgetron> Boot seems to lag at certain places. went through the dmesg logs and found certain jumps. A quick google did not take me anywhere. Anyone have an idea on what i can do about it. Where do i post the dmesg log so you guys can look at it?
[18:58] <rewbycraft> !paste
[18:58] <keviv> Why don't we use pastebin?
[18:59] <rewbycraft> keviv: I usually do. I just wanted to use a command for once.
[18:59] <keviv> Haha :)
[18:59] <MACscr> why do some network devices get persistent rules setup by default with 14.04, but others dont?
[19:00] <MonkeyDust> MACscr  that's more for #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:00] <MACscr> i am having a horrible time trying to get consistent network device names
[19:00] <Beldar> gadgetron, Time of boot and context like is this encrypted, is it a uefi....etc would help.
[19:01] <MACscr> MonkeyDust: how so?
[19:01] <OEP> Is there some reason why the "drawstuff" library isn't included with "libode" when you isntall it?
[19:01] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Also, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting can give you insight into what's taking so long.
[19:01] <Beldar> gadgetron, Have you done a text boot to see what is going on?
[19:02] <gadgetron> @beldar @rewbycraft : i tried bootchart. Here is the dmesg log
[19:02] <gadgetron> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7799866/
[19:03] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Can you give us the bootchart?
[19:03] <gadgetron> How do i post the image?
[19:03] <rewbycraft> !paste
[19:04] <rewbycraft> !screenshots
[19:04] <rewbycraft> (substitute screenshot with bootchart png)
[19:04] <Beldar> rewbycraft, Be sure to preface nicks when addressing others. ;)
[19:05] <nabilhassein> I have a question about unattended-upgrades. I'm following these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates but I want to automate the setup
[19:05] <nabilhassein> so the purple dialog that results from `sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades` is pretty annoying
[19:05] <gadgetron> rewbycraft ,Here its is http://imgur.com/jrJpGF4
[19:05] <nabilhassein> is there another way to configure unattended-upgrades?
[19:05] <rewbycraft> nabilhassein: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates#Using_cron_and_aptitude
[19:07] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft , What i understood from dmesg was that it seems to repair the partition every time and takes too long for something like "random: nonblocking pool is initialized"
[19:07] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: It seems it's hanging on disk seeks. If you wanna speed it up, I suggest getting a SSD.
[19:07] <nabilhassein> rewbycraft: thanks. There won't be any difference in behavior between this and the above method?
[19:08] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft : I am pretty sure its a ubuntu only issue. I run eos luna which boots up pretty quickly and does not have such jumps in the dmesg
[19:08] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: And I don't know where you're getting the partition repair thing from. I'm not seeing that in the log you gave.
[19:08] <rewbycraft> nabilhassein: Cron is how you automate stuff like this.
[19:08] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft: it was there in the dmesg
[19:08] <rewbycraft> nabilhassein: I have a cron job on my servers that update them every day at 24:00.
[19:08] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Where?
[19:09] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft : at the 9.02 mark
[19:09] <nabilhassein> rewbycraft: I'm familiar with cron. I was just curious about how to automate the kind of dialog that dpkg-reconfigure pops up. I don't know what that kind of dialog is called so I couldn't google it
[19:09] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft:something about recovery required
[19:09] <rewbycraft> nabilhassein: Ah, like that.
[19:10] <Lope> I have an empty hard drive and an empty SSD. (no need to migrate data etc, any FS is ok) Should I use bcache or dm-cache?
[19:10] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Oh that, yes I saw that. But it's already done with that before the delay in messages.
[19:10] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: So that doesn't matter.
[19:10] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Although you might wanna look into that because it shouldn't be happening.
[19:11] <theToastIsDone> i dont know if this is the place to offer this, but.. I own a domain name (ubuntuftw.com, in other words Ubuntu FTW), if anyone is interested in buying it... just wondering
[19:11] <kostkon> theToastIsDone, #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:11] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft: it jumped to 18 seconds after that. Sometimes i even get something about plymouth termination issue.
[19:11] <theToastIsDone> ahh ok, thx
[19:12] <gadgetron> @rewbycraft: this is the other bootchart image
[19:12] <gadgetron> http://imgur.com/s2KYVkP
[19:12] <curious2000> hello. i have a newbie question. how do i disable the log on whenever i boot up my computer?
[19:13] <cuddylier> If a user had access to the /etc/passwd file, would they be able to e.g. change the root password?
[19:13] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: The plymouth thing is because it doesn't always co-operate with systemd. It jumps to 18 seconds because after recovery the partition is mounted and all the binaries are being looked up and loaded into memory. In order to do this it needs to go all over the disk to find the data, which is causing the delay.
[19:13] <anonymous_> hot to reinstall ubuntu with command line
[19:13] <anonymous_> how*
[19:13] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: If they had (write) access to that file, you'd have bigger problems than that.
[19:13] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Could you look into this slightly earlier bootchart? http://imgur.com/s2KYVkP
[19:13] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: it's not writeable, just readable
[19:13] <MonkeyDust> !install | anonymous_ start here
[19:14] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: Then no.
[19:14] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: Okay great, thanks
[19:14] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: Read access is normal, it is used to authenticate you.
[19:15] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: Yeah, I thought that
[19:15] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: And this is another issue thats causing boot to slow 3.427987] random: nonblocking pool is initialized
[19:15] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Same thing. It's waiting for the partition to mount and then it suddenly starts loading a variety of programs needed to boot the system. Those programs, though, are located all over the disk.
[19:15] <cuddylier> For my web directories, is it safe to just set them all to root to avoid e.g. the webuser, www-data from being able to go into folders it shouldn't?
[19:16] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Not an issue. Just a notification that the random number gen is online.
[19:16] <anonymous_> ok, thanks .
[19:16] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: Why would you do that? That way the http server can't access them.
[19:17] <UltimaKR> Hi, does anyone know about lubuntu and graphics cards?
[19:17] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: It seems it still can, because someone made a script that got into one of my sites and since they all had the user as www-data they were able to go into all the website folders eventhough the permissions were 711
[19:17] <gadgetron> rewbycraft:  Then there is nothing out of place in the boot process? The latest one ended at 34 in the log. The boot before that ended at 23.
[19:17] <cuddylier> And 711 is meant to be the public can't read
[19:17] <cuddylier> I changed that and the tool they used can no longer read the files but the website works fine
[19:17] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: That's how it's supposed to work. The webserver is www-data.
[19:18] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Nothing is out of place other than the recovery thing (although that isn't what's slowing you down).  The only issue so far was the boot time. My laptop is fairly specced and runs really well most of the time. Does not lag at all.
[19:18] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: how can I stop a script that is injected into one of my sites then going into other website folders?
[19:19] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: The script accessing the folders is not the issue. The fact that they can inject the script, however, is.
[19:19] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: i5 , HD8730 , 1600MHz ram
[19:19] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: You still have a mechanical hdd. Lemme see if I can find the instructional/explainational vid I usually give people.
[19:20] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I dual boot it with windows 8 with takes 30 seconds if i restart or 15 seconds from shutdown(hybrid)
[19:20] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: yes it is, I have found how they do it but just incase it happens again I mean
[19:20] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Windows 8 does all sorts of weird things to make it go like that.
[19:21] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: The script is most likely executed in the context of the webserver. As long as the server can access stuff, so can an injected script.
[19:21] <danbower> what exactly do you mean by injected script?
[19:21] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I was only wondering why ubuntu was taking longer. I know a SSD will speed things up. Elementary os luna is based on ubuntu 12.04 but it still manages to boot in under 22 seconds. I mentioned dual boot. its actually a triple boot.
[19:21] <cuddylier> rewbycraft: So if I changed the website folder owner to e.g. 'root' then the script could use root?
[19:21] <cuddylier> As at the moment the script has a console on it and everything
[19:21] <rewbycraft> cuddylier: No. The script has whatever use perms the http server has.
[19:22] <danbower> cuddylier, how is this script being injected?
[19:22] <cuddylier> danbower: It was via WHMCS
[19:22] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Granted ubuntu loads more stuff on boot then elementary. But the same thing applies to both. Windows on the other hand does some black magic.
[19:24] <^Lestat> voodoo
[19:24] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Windows i believe does a hybrid shutdown which enables it boot faster. but if you restart it , it will take much longer. for me the restart was atmost 30 seconds and normal boot( booting after a simple shutdown) was 15seconds. Luna takes 20 seconds. Seems to be something deeper than i can see is causing the lag. I guess the extra 10sec wait is still worth it.
[19:24] <kostkon> gadgetron, yeah, your boot speed is a bit on the slow side. even my atom netbook boots vanilla 12.04 faster than your i5. probably fsck is slowing things down, assuming that for some reason it is being started and checks your hd on every boot
[19:25] <danbower> cuddylier, oh. well i'm not particularly experienced with servers but i use "virtualmin" on my dev box which automates a lot of it. basically each host is represented as a user. so there'd be ~foo/public_html/ and ~bar/public_html/. naturally foo can only access stuff belonging to foo with this setup
[19:25] <cuddylier> danbower: I see, or even separate VPSs for each website I guess would be another solution
[19:26] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Maybe a later reinstall will fix it. Anyway thanks for your support. If i find something that works , i will let you know. #been using ubuntu since 11.10.
[19:26] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Me too. BTW: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404258,00.asp
[19:26] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Explains HDD vs SSD
[19:26] <danbower> cuddylier, yeah that could work too. maybe have a play with virtualmin? not sure how it integrates with whmcs but i personally like it
[19:26] <rewbycraft> kostkon: That seems weird. I almost never get fsck nowadays.
[19:27] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: thanks for the link. But i am well versed with such things.
[19:27] <cuddylier> Mhm maybe, thanks
[19:27] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: I can't assume anything in terms of knowledge. Sorry if you feel offended.
[19:28] <danbower> cuddylier, even if you don't use you could get a feel for it how sets up such things
[19:28] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: of course not. You might have come to a different conclusion if you had been physically debugging the laptop. I was just stating things.
[19:29] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: True. I usually prefer having my hands on the actual machine. But helping people via irc is a nice challenge.
[19:29] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Yep. Agree with that. It works on a level thats better than simple googling.
[19:30] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Still, your bootchart is about the same as mine and I've spend enough time to know that it means one thing: You're hitting the physical limits of the HDD seek time.
[19:31] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I wanted to ask this too. Did you have any luck with getting multitouch on the trackpad to work with gestures? simple two finger gestures work fine. Found something called touchegg which did not work ||  Ubuntu 13.10 booted much faster. Thats why i said it seemed to be isolated to 14.04 for me.
[19:32] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Depends on what you want it to do?
[19:32] <rock_> Hiii
[19:32] <mjuszczak> Is there a way with bzr to get the current version of the package?  I'm trying to use --newversion so that I can add "ppa1" but I want to script it... which means it would need to read the current version number so that I could pass it into --newversion with "ppa1" appended.  Any thoughts?
[19:33] <gadgetron> rewbycraft : Like 3 finger upward swipe to imitate the (super+w) function? Helpful when multitasking. I ended up using hotcorners for that and the workspace , but it would feel nice to have gestures for that.
[19:34] <rewbycraft> It seems to be supported by default if the wiki is to be believed. (I only use awesomewm and not unity)
[19:35] <gadgetron> rewbycraft : What was that again? awesomewm? can you link some resource for that desktop environment?
[19:37] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: It's a tiling window manager (and it doesn't have gestures, almost everything is done with the keyboard).
[19:37] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: http://awesome.naquadah.org/ (is available as "awesome" in the ubuntu repos)
[19:39] <Caroga> hi guys
[19:39] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: seems nice. But not something i would go to for now. Oldschool geek style.
[19:39] <Caroga> was wondering, any of you ever noticed internet/wifi stability problems when using wifi AND bluetooth ?
[19:40] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Kinda. But you can configure it to look and behave however you want it. I spent a good time configuring it, but worth it. (sadly java doesn't wanna co-operate)
[19:40] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Do you have any solution for improving battery life? Been using tlp and thermald, it works in a way, but not as much as i would have liked it to.
[19:41] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Then its not for me. Need java for too many things unfortunately.
[19:41] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Turn down backlighting. Also, powertop can really show you what's using power.
[19:41] <saqib_> hi
[19:41] <saqib_> i need help sir
[19:42] <saqib_> how are you all ?
[19:42] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Let me clarify: java works, the context menus are just a bit weird and select the item below what I'm hovering over.
[19:42] <saqib_> my usb mouse suspend after hibernate what should i do ?
[19:42] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Makes Intellij a bit annoying, but keyboard shortcuts save the day.
[19:42] <saqib_> help help help
[19:42] <saqib_> help me pleae
[19:42] <saqib_> please
[19:43] <Beldar> !please | saqib_
[19:43] <saqib_> my usb mouse suspend after restart can any one provide me solutions ?
[19:43] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: The powerstat power usage stats dont make sense some times. Usage is about 12 watts sometimes and then its fine. But occasionally it does not get below 16 watts. Sometimes a restart works, sometimes it does not.
[19:43] <saqib_> hello
[19:43] <saqib_> ok bye
[19:44] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: I use powertop to because it shows you what device is using the power.
[19:44] <Beldar> saqib_, State your issue an just that.
[19:44] <danbower> saqib_, do you have another mouse to try? i'm not entirely sure what you mean by "suspend" but perhaps it has just died?
[19:45] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: right now it says some usb device : usb 2.0 generic is using about 11 watts even though no usb device is connected.
[19:45] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Internal usb. Do you have bluetooth?
[19:46] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: yes but its off.
[19:46] <rewbycraft> WiFi then?
[19:46] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Anything with lights and/or antenna's is generally the issue.
[19:46] <rewbycraft> *antennas
[19:46] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: i guess its just showing the wrong device id.
[19:47] <gadgetron> rewbycraft : i use a intel wifi card. supposed to be efficient at power managemtn.
[19:47] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Could be. It's fairly common for internal WiFi and bluetooth modules to actually be usb devices connected to an internal usb bus.
[19:48] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Yeah. Need to check into how its on mine.
[19:49] <gadgetron> i used to be able to get it down to 9 watt usage on 13.10
[19:49] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: by switching ooff the dedicated graphics.
[19:49] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Like I said, a general rule of thumb that seems to work for me: The order of power consumption is: Screen backlight -> anything with an antenna -> gpu/cpu -> hdd -> other stuff
[19:50] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Even then i guess on any given laptop ubuntu seems to run out faster than windows.
[19:50] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: You have a machine with dual gfx? I only have a dedicated nvidia card.
[19:50] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: dedicated AMD. HD8730
[19:51] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Yeah. Ubuntu takes a bit more power than windows because it's doing more than windows is (it likes to keep things running full power).
[19:51] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Neat.
[19:52] <^Lestat> Can I just delete aplication folders like I do in unix?
[19:52] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: <- the gfx card I mean.
[19:52] <Beldar> ^Lestat, And the end goal doing that is?
[19:52] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Thanks. Dont game much but black flag does look pretty good when hooked up to a hdtv
[19:53] <^Lestat> removing an ap?
[19:53] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: I mostly play minecraft but a good gfx card allows me to pull all sorts of fancy stuff.
[19:53] <ropuros> ciao
[19:53] <Beldar> ^Lestat, No, if you want it removed you need apt-get remove if purged apt-get purge
[19:53] <^Lestat> and if I "installed it" via untarring it?
[19:54] <Beldar> ^Lestat, This is on apps from the repos, ones you install may be different.
[19:54] <rewbycraft> ^Lestat: make uninstall
[19:54] <Beldar> ^Lestat, Any legit tar should have a read me with info.
[19:54] <rewbycraft> ^Lestat: If you ran "sudo make install" than deleting the src dir (the untarred dir) isn't going to do much.
[19:54] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Seems the tunables section in powertop is acutally useful. Never worked in 13.10 and assumed it wouldnt continue in 14.04. But it does! usage down to 11 watts now. Yeah, i like converting videos and using the GPU to do it is much faster. and rendering the app layout on SDK's is much faster when having a good GPU. or using the video processing software.
[19:55] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Or just making your desktop look fancy.
[19:55] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: True that. do you have any suggestion for a good IRC client? Empathy is fine but dont really like it that much
[19:56] <mw> hello, I have a problem with jackd
[19:56] <Beldar> !details | mw
[19:56] <mw> is it possible to use it in parallel with alsa?
[19:56] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: XChat.
[19:56] <mw> when I enable jack, programs using alsa stop playing
[19:57] <mw> my friend suggested me to set plughw in jackd but it didnt help
[19:57] <ses1984> hi, i'm trying to use php5-imap module from the repositories and running into some weird problem. i do apt-get install php5-imap and it says i have the latest version installed. but then i try php -m | grep -i imap and it is not listed...what's going on? is there something else i need to do to complete the install?
[19:57] <Beldar> mw, Be careful in spreading the info across more than one post you will get lost possibly.
[19:57] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Hmm. will try that. Rarely use IRC. Glad i did today though. Only place where you can mention anything about linux and people dont gape.
[19:58] <mw> I have a problem: I can't use jackd in parallel with ALSA - when I enable jackd, programs using ALSA stop sending audio output. Is it possible to run both at once?
[19:59] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Well, the internet has many places where linux users gather.
[19:59] <Pici> mw: If you don't get an answer here, you may want to ask in #ubuntustudio :)
[19:59] <mw> thanks pici - that's what im using, but ubuntu has larger community ;D
[19:59] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I change that to one of the few places. But then internet always has everything you can think of.
[20:00] <Pici> mw: yes, but #ubuntustudio has people who know a lot more about jackd than we do
[20:00] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Yup.
[20:00] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Thats the best part about it. Recent moves by the russian gvt about user data is troubling though.
[20:01] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Such moves will only encourage the chinese govt about their orwellien great firewall.
[20:01] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: If we're going down that hole we'd better continue the convo in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:01] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Of course. Does using TLP really help with battery life?
[20:02] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: TLP?
[20:02] <mw> xchat is really good and reliable - I use it
[20:02] <mw> it's also a default client in ubuntu
[20:03] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: yeah. A quick googling about battery saving turns up tlp.
[20:03] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Link?
[20:03] <gadgetron> rewbycraft:http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html
[20:05] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: If it does what it says then yes.
[20:06] <mjuszczak> Anyone here familiar with bzr?
[20:09] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: I am not really sure about its efficiency. But then again something is better than nothing is it not.
[20:10] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Why not just try it and see?
[20:11] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Its already installed. Have to perform a test case when i next reinstall from scratch without installing tlp for a while.
[20:14] <rewbycraft> gadgetron: Keep me posted. I'm rather interested.
[20:15] <gadgetron> rewbycraft: Will do.
[20:25] <Tom3211> when im using fdisk to create new partition
[20:25] <Tom3211> it asks me about sectors, not cylinders as in many guides
[20:25] <Tom3211> what is diffrence and why it ask me about sectors?
[20:25] <Tom3211> im using virtualboxed linux to learn ;)
[20:28] <sukrit> Here . Running into Hash Sum mismatch with trusty while running apt-get update  (when run for first time) ....    Started happenin 1 hour back. Things have been working before....  ANyone aware of this issue
[20:29] <Spec> sukrit: i've seen that happen while a mirror was updating
[20:30] <sukrit> Spec:   Is it getting updated now  ?  My script is constantly failing ....   was wondering how long the process takes ....
[20:30] <Spec> sukrit: no idea
[20:31] <rewbycraft> sukrit: Run "sudo rm -fR /var/lib/apt/lists/*" (without quotes) and then run "sudo apt-get update"
[20:32] <sukrit> rewbtcraft: let me try that
[20:33] <rewbycraft> sukrit: What you're experiencing is a corrupted package list on disk. The commands I gave delete the lists on your hdd and then redownloads them from the servers.
[20:34] <Loshki> Tom3211: why aren't you using gparted instead? Much easier...
[20:34] <sukrit> ahh...  Looks like than issue with the ubuntu docker image ....
[20:34] <rewbycraft> sukrit: Can happen.
[20:35] <rewbycraft> Tom3211: Loshki: Or even parted (the cli version of gparted)
[20:35] <sukrit> rewbycraft:  will check if they pushed a new image which had this issue    ... Thanks for your help
[20:35] <rewbycraft> sukrit: Then you need to execute these commands on the image. Also, no problem.
[20:41] <nathanel1itane> does anyone know how get a proper zenity exit status when pressing cancel?
[20:41] <^Lestat> ack! http://pastebin.com/QxqhEhkV
[20:42] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: $?
[20:43] <nathanel1itane> rewbycraft: yes, i know, but when i press cancel, i still get 0 = 0
[20:44] <nathanel1itane> *0 == 0
[20:44] <nathanel1itane> rewbycraft: http://sprunge.us/aVPB
[20:45] <sukrit> rewbycraft:  Surprisingly , there has been no new pushes ...  and now the problem is gone ... wondering if there was problem in upstream ubuntu repository....
[20:46] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: Try this: http://pastebin.com/AwLksHb3
[20:47] <rewbycraft> sukrit: *shrug* As long as it works.
[20:48] <wannabegeekster> Ubuntu Desktop 14.04 on VirtualBox.  Is it normal for there to be no xorg.conf file anywhere?  I am only getting 640x480 resolution right now
[20:49] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: Yes. It's dynamically generated on boot. In order to fix the resolution you'll wanna install virtualbox-guest-dkms in the vm and reboot.
[20:49] <rewbycraft> *boot=the fly
[20:49] <tinker> cd ~ && wget -O - "https://www.dropbox.com/download?plat=lnx.x86_64" | tar xzf -
[20:49] <tinker> where does that install?
[20:49] <wannabegeekster> Ok thanks
[20:49] <rewbycraft> tinker: You're home directory.
[20:50] <rewbycraft> *your (it's getting late, can you tell?)
[20:50] <varunendra> wannabegeekster, the xorg.conf file is no longer needed by the default Ubuntu installation. It gets generated, if required, by proprietary drivers like nvidia or fglrx (ATI). To get proper resolution in VBox, you need to install "Guest Additions" in the guest OS.
[20:51] <rewbycraft> varunendra: VBox guest additions is also known as virtualbox-guest-dkms in the ubuntu repos.
[20:51] <wannabegeekster> Doing  that now.  Will see what happens on the reboot
[20:51] <allgoodAtTaoti> hi all, trying out a build of 14.04 to switch some php servers to. I'm testing mysql but am getting mysql_gone_away errors for what should be a pretty standard application. Before I spend a ton of time debugging is this a common issue that's been happening in 14.04? I realize this may be a question for #mysql but I ask here because mysql was installed using apt-get install mysql-server-5.6 but my application is reporting 5.5.37-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:51] <allgoodAtTaoti> which seems inconsistant
[20:51] <nathanel1itane> rewbycraft: no go
[20:52] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: Did you reboot the vm?
[20:52] <nathanel1itane> the else still goes to 0 == 0
[20:52] <varunendra> rewbycraft, but installing it on Host is not enough, one has to install it from within the Guest OS as well - which I'm sure you already know :)
[20:52] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: Sorry, wrong person.
[20:52] <rewbycraft> varunendra: That's what i said. There's no use in guest additions on the host.
[20:52] <wannabegeekster> Loud and clear rewbycraft
[20:53] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: Does it work now?
[20:53] <rewbycraft> nathanel1itane: I don't know then. I was looking at this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19812843/shell-script-zenity-check-if-canceled
[20:54] <wannabegeekster> Rebooting as we speak.  Will let you know momentarily
[20:54] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: First command I issue on any ubuntu vm: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-dkms -y && sudo reboot
[20:54] <wannabegeekster> Definitely working
[20:55] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: Great!
[20:55] <wannabegeekster> THanks rewbycraft, will keep that in my toolkit
[20:55] <rewbycraft> wannabegeekster: No problem.
[20:55] <ethern0t> heyo
[20:55] <wannabegeekster> and thank you varunendra
[20:56] <varunendra> rewbycraft, I thought it is the package that only retrieves the guest-additions iso. Good info to keep in mind. Thanks :)
[20:56] <varunendra> wannabegeekster, I learned something too :)
[20:57] <rewbycraft> varunendra: Nah that's: virtualbox-guest-additions-iso. virtualbox-guest-dkms installs the kernel modules that the iso would install. I prefer virtualbox-guest-dkms because it's proper package and can easily be removed.
[20:58] <rewbycraft> varunendra: In contrast to the iso which isn't easily undone. (or upgraded for that matter, another reason why i prefer the package)
[20:58] <tinker> I care mostly about speed. Which is faster: Unity, KDE, Gnome?
[20:58] <varunendra> rewbycraft, just checked it with 'apt-cache show..' - confirmed already. Good to know there is something .deb for the purpose.
[20:58] <q_> i need help with wine
[20:59] <q_> if anyone is here
[20:59] <ajoul> Any suggestions on how I can customize ubuntu?
[20:59] <varunendra> tinker, among the three you listed, I guess KDE, otherwise XFCE is the hot choice these days
[21:00] <q_> i got it download and i got notepad++ and do i need to installed but still cant get it to work
[21:00] <varunendra> tinker, and I am assuming gnome == gnome3
[21:00] <q_> huh
[21:01] <varunendra> q_ did you get the .exe installer of notepad++ ? Does its installation fail on wine?
[21:01] <k1l> q_: wine is already packaged in the ubuntu repo. so you dont need to download stuff by hand.
[21:02] <q_> i downloaded the ery first one on the list
[21:02] <k1l> q_: and what do you need notepad++ for? doesnt another native linux editor suit your needs?
[21:02] <stelios> 045975265
[21:03] <ajoul> stelios mas gamas
[21:03] <ajoul> Any suggestions on how I can customize ubuntu?
[21:11] <Beldar> ajoul, This is direct support for problems, you might come up with some and ask when you run into trouble, keeping in mind the channels support norms.
[21:11] <ajoul> Beldar, how is this not support
[21:11] <ajoul> you would rather have an empty chat\
[21:12] <Beldar> ajoul, No this is not chat, but support fir actual issues.
[21:12] <guntbert> ajoul: state a concrete question and we will be happy to help
[21:12] <Beldar> not your wishes
[21:12] <ajoul> guntbert, how can I customize ubuntu?
[21:13] <eeee> conky
[21:13] <Beldar> ajoul, #ubuntu-oftopic would be better is all.
[21:13] <Beldar> offtopic*
[21:13] <varunendra> ajoul, you should probably state what kind of customization(s) you want.
[21:13] <guntbert> ajoul: thats a very general question, like "how can I customize my car?"
[21:13] <OerHeks> ajoul, install a theme, use unity-tweak and experiment with it
[21:13] <ajoul> varunendra, I want to remove the launcher and change the layout of the start bar
[21:13] <Beldar> your just feeding a continuation of not understanding the channels role
[21:13] <eeee> ajoul: you can try cairo dock
[21:14] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> Is there anyway i can change my account name?
[21:14] <BrandonC> hey all
[21:14] <eeee> GuyThatNeedsHelp: yes but it's cleaner to create a new one i think
[21:14] <Beldar> GuyThatNeedsHelp, Yes but it has it's issues in permissions, be very careful
[21:15] <Beldar> +1 new user
[21:15] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> all i wanna do is capitalize the first letter
[21:15] <Beldar> response is still the same a change is a change
[21:16] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> Does anyone know the command to make another user?
[21:16] <eeee> GuyThatNeedsHelp:  adduser
[21:16] <mbhatnag> hello
[21:17] <guntbert> GuyThatNeedsHelp: read up:  man adduser
[21:17] <DJ_U|Laptop> For future reference, hopefully near future.  Would it cause any major issues when I get a new GPU with my current install on the desktop (which remains down due to a dead GPU), providing it remains an nVidia GPU?
[21:17] <q_> does anyone know     wine      i need help with      wine       please thank you                    and can i please    i m     you i cant read what you all  say with this ping  in  and   out   crap all over the screen         thank you
[21:18] <guntbert> q_: stop the nonsense please
[21:18] <q_> what nonsece i just asking
[21:18] <Beldar> q_, State you issue clearly without the please...etc and maybe #wine is your place
[21:19] <q_> may br if you read it again yhou would find a please
[21:19] <q_> read a gain
[21:19] <mbhatnag> I'm trying to get vim to display italics in konsole. any idea how to do that? gvim shows the italics just fine and I can get italic text in konsole with 'echo -e "\e[3mitalic\e[m"'
[21:19] <guntbert> Beldar: that'd be #winehq  iirc
[21:19] <OerHeks> q_, join #winehq for application help with notepad++
[21:20] <Beldar> guntbert, Yeah just realized that thanks, my bad
[21:20] <cool_boy> how to check version of installed sofrware?
[21:20] <cool_boy> I want to check version of freetds
[21:20] <q_> i dont get it iv read win hq and it does not work
[21:21] <JV___> Hi
[21:21] <JV___> I am facing this issues
[21:22] <JV___> Fetched 39.8 kB in 0s (3,256 kB/s) E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libp/libpciaccess/libpciaccess0_0.13.2-1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxdamage/libxdamage1_1.1.4-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxfixes/libxfixes3_5.0.1-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mism
[21:22] <OerHeks> cool_boy,  dpkg --status YOUR_PACKAGE | grep ^Version
[21:22] <JV___> during the time of instkkation nova
[21:22] <OerHeks> cool_boy, or look it up in softwarecenter
[21:22] <JV___> this is 14.04
[21:22] <guntbert> !paste | JV___
[21:24] <JV___> i pasted
[21:25] <guntbert> JV___: don't paste into the channel, read what ubottu tolde you
[21:25] <guntbert> *told
[21:25] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured via the NAME_REGEX[_SYSTEM] configuration variable.  Use the `--force-badname' option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX.
[21:25] <GuyThatNeedsHelp> wat
[21:26] <pack^> lol
[21:26] <JV___> not getting you
[21:26] <JV___> this is some kind of bug with 14.04 server
[21:27] <kantlivelong> hey all.. im having an odd issue with suspend. my mini PCIe SSD doesnt seem to suspend...? it gets hot
[21:27] <JV___> can you pls help
[21:27] <JV___> this is very strange issues
[21:27] <reisio> kantlivelong: what state are you using?
[21:28] <guntbert> !patience | JV___
[21:28] <kantlivelong> reisio: its a laptop so id imagine S3. it definitely suspends but heat keeps being generated and my battery doesnt last more than 8 hours (normal 1 hr batt)
[21:29] <cool_boy> OerHeks: dpkg is giving error, and in software center can't find
[21:29] <kantlivelong> reisio: its very weird.. ive never encountered a suspend issue like this
[21:29] <cool_boy> and how to find correct name of package?
[21:29] <JV___> dont talk as too smart
[21:30] <JV___> we try all the way
[21:30] <kantlivelong> and i can confirm that the SSD is still on as the LED on it is on.
[21:30] <JV___> then only ask you
[21:31] <reisio> kantlivelong: I'd play with the BIOS prefs and the software power manager prefs for suspend first
[21:31] <JV___> hey
[21:31] <JV___> help any one
[21:31] <kantlivelong> reisio: arent really any on the laptop
[21:31] <JV___> Fetched 39.8 kB in 0s (2,729 kB/s) E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libp/libpciaccess/libpciaccess0_0.13.2-1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxdamage/libxdamage1_1.1.4-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libx/libxfixes/libxfixes3_5.0.1-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mism
[21:31] <reisio> kantlivelong: things that say "spin down hard disks", etc., might actually also apply
[21:31] <reisio> kantlivelong: well there are software power manager prefs, even if the BIOS hasn't any
[21:32] <kantlivelong> reisio: ah. any recommendatiosn for ssds?
[21:32] <kantlivelong> or just regular hdparm?
[21:32] <OerHeks> cool_boy, should be there > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freetds
[21:33] <guntbert> !ops | JV___
[21:33] <k1l> JV___: please use a pastebin for your error messages
[21:33] <phunyguy> JV___: please ask your question in one line, and use a pastebin tool to paste
[21:33] <reisio> kantlivelong: I'm sure there are GUI pref dialogues for the settings in question
[21:34] <reisio> kantlivelong: but you could play with hdparm or sdparm et al. too
[21:34] <k1l> !in | JV___ maybe try in this channel if its hard for you to talk in english
[21:34] <Tha-Fox> hi! I just found that m XBMCbuntu is running ubuntu 12.10 and the support ended in May. the next release 13.04 has also been unsupported since January. any idea how I'm able to upgrade to 14.04? I just run "do-release-upgrade -d" and it's downloading from repos "saucy-updates, saucy-backports" etc. is it possible to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.10 as this seems to try to do?
[21:35] <JV___> nothing like that
[21:35] <JV___> i pasted the same
[21:35] <JV___> not sure how do we share
[21:35] <k1l> !paste | JV___
[21:35] <kantlivelong> ugh. chrome on 14.04 is aweful
[21:36] <ryan-c> Is the alternative install still a thing? I can't find an alternative ISO for 14.04.
[21:36] <reisio> ryan-c: they renamed it, basically, to 'minimalcd'
[21:36] <k1l> ryan-c: its deprecated, iirc. use the minimal install if you dont want the live install iso
[21:36] <guntbert> ryan-c: no, doesn't exist any more
[21:36] <JV___> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7800460/
[21:36] <JV___> can u open it ?
[21:36] <kostkon> !eolupgrades | Tha-Fox, this might help you
[21:37] <reisio> ryan-c: if you do a lot of installs, you might look into debootstrap; if you just need to clone installs, there are even better approaches
[21:38] <Tha-Fox> kostkon: thanks a lot! I use most of the time Arch, so Ubuntu upgrades are not too familiar. I'll see what I can accomplish with those directions
[21:38] <ryan-c> reisio: I don't do many installs, I just prefer the text installer and a minimal set of packages.
[21:38] <k1l> JV___: did you try the solution suggested in the end of the error message?
[21:38] <kostkon> Tha-Fox: np
[21:38] <JV___> Yes
[21:38] <ryan-c> I saw a network install that uses pxe boot, is that the one you're talking about as 'minimal'?
[21:38] <reisio> ryan-c: don't we all
[21:38] <JV___> done muliple time
[21:38] <reisio> ryan-c: just type ubuntu minimal cd into your browser
[21:39] <JV___> many time
[21:39] <k1l> JV___: run apt-get update?
[21:39] <ryan-c> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD < Ah, this?
[21:39] <JV___> yes
[21:39] <reisio> ryan-c: undoubtedly
[21:39] <JV___> done the same
[21:39] <ryan-c> oh, that really is minimal
[21:39] <reisio> ryan-c: well, it fits on a CD
[21:39] <reisio> which is a start
[21:39] <ryan-c> it says it's ~37MB
[21:40] <JV___> i removed and added the apt source list too
[21:40] <JV___> clean many time yeat same
[21:40] <k1l> JV___: try to switch to the main mirror or wait until your mirror is repaired
[21:41] <reisio> ryan-c: normal for a Debian 'businesscard' "netinstall" image
[21:41] <reisio> =)
[21:41] <gimmic> when using netboot to install/deploy LTS, how could I specify a different kernel(earlier)?
[21:41] <JV___> its some kind of repo server  level issues ?
[21:41] <ryan-c> reisio: I use debian's netinstall fairly often
[21:42] <gimmic> actually same vein as the current discussion
[21:42] <JV___> last 4 hours i try few many way but same issues
[21:42] <gimmic> I use foreman/puppet to deploy ubuntu to several systems
[21:42] <reisio> I use george/mspiggy
[21:42] <gimmic> the problem is I can't use the current kernel- 3.13.0-30
[21:42] <gimmic> I need to use 3.13.0-29
[21:43] <gimmic> but If I downgrade to it later, I have boot failures. It seems like there should be a way with the netinstall to specify kernel
[21:43] <JV___> any way to over come now ?
[21:43] <Sc0tty-> how do I run a program from the terminal?
[21:44] <cool_boy> OerHeks: thanks
[21:44] <reisio> Sc0tty-: which program?
[21:44] <k1l> JV___: do you even read what people tell you?
[21:44] <Sc0tty-> one I have written and compiled with gcc
[21:45] <reisio> Sc0tty-: just chmod +x it, type its path and hit enter
[21:45] <JV___> not getting
[21:45] <reisio> Sc0tty-: or put it into any path in PATH (echo $PATH / export PATH)
[21:45] <k1l> JV___: switch to the main servers. or dont ask any question if you dont read the answers
[21:47] <JV___> swich to main server means default repo instead of  apt-catch ?
[21:47] <Sc0tty-> reisio: thanks!
[21:48] <k1l> JV___: no. it means the main server instead of the country mirrors
[21:50] <JV___> may be i am not getting correctly . can you share any link how to change ? i would try the same
[21:50] <k1l> JV___: or remove the local apt lists in /var/lib/apt/.
[21:50] <JV___> this is i done
[21:50] <JV___> i tried
[21:51] <k1l> JV___: as i told you already. if you dont understand properly try to ask in #ubuntu-in
[21:52] <Tha-Fox> unfortunately this does not help me: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades it is still trying to upgrade me straight to saucy salamander instead of unsupported raring ringtail (13.04). could the old "sed trick" still work where I change all occurrences of "quental" to "raring" in my sources.list if the urls point to old-releases.ubuntu.com?
[21:53] <JV___> i think your way of talk is much smart
[21:53] <JV___> anyway bye
[21:54] <trism> Tha-Fox: it is supposed to be possible, it is documented on the saucy upgrades page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades
[21:55] <trism> Tha-Fox: since 12.10 was sort of a strange release in that it is supported longer than 13.04 because of the change in support periods
[21:56] <Tha-Fox> trism: thanks for the answer. I too noticed that it's longer supported than the next one :)
[21:57] <JV___> some kind of kernel level bug
[21:57] <JV___> on 14.04
[22:01] <theUser1241> HI, how to use xdotool delay? xdotool --delay 50 type "Hi" says delay is no option...
[22:03] <ajf> I want my directory sizes without seeing literally every subdirectory of every directory
[22:03] <ajf> Is there a way to make du do that
[22:03] <trism> theUser1241: you just got the order wrong: xdotool type --delay 50 Hi
[22:04] <theUser1241> trism: oh, ty! I noticed if i use it with a line of text, it will loose characters, or type some bad characters
[22:09] <MonkeyDust> ajf  du -d 1
[22:10] <ajf> Ah thanks
[22:10] <ajf> I ended up doing just sudo du -s for each of the 7 dirs I had
[22:11] <MonkeyDust> ajf  or du -hd 1
[22:11] <edition> i ruined pulseaudio, is there a way of reinstalling it for xubuntu?
[22:11] <ajf> Uninstall and reinstall?
[22:12] <ajf> MonkeyDust: Any way to exclude hidden dirs?
[22:12] <edition> oh. fixed it!
[22:12] <ajf> actually
[22:13] <edition> :)
[22:13] <ajf> that would’ve been bad
[22:13] <ajf> Just noticed how big .dogecoin is...
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> ajf  man du
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> edition   sudo apt-get install --reinstall pulseaudio
[22:13] <edition> thanks. the problem was with  /etc/pulse/default.pa
[22:13] <edition> btw, where do most applications store their config?
[22:14] <MonkeyDust> edition  in /etc/
[22:14] <MonkeyDust> edition  and in ~/.config
[22:14] <edition> both?
[22:14] <edition> ok
[22:15] <edition> so if I need to completely reinstall an app, including the config..
[22:18] <edition> firefox has no sound!
[22:19] <ajf> :(
[22:20] <edition> why???
[22:22] <etronik> HI all, I just added a HDD (from prior laptop) to a system with an SSD, and now PC keeps booting from the HDD instead of from the SSD, how do I go back to booting from SSD ? TIA!
[22:22] <etronik> btw, old HDD had older version of Ubuntu, SSD has 14.04
[22:23] <Tzunamii> etronik: Just go into the new system's BIOS and change the boot order
[22:23] <edition> under /etc, where is jack?
[22:23] <etronik> Tzunamii: the BIOS already is statig the SDD as 1st boot priority
[22:24] <friendlyfascism> etronik, How old is the computer?
[22:24] <etronik> friendlyfascism: hmm a few days old
[22:24] <MonkeyDust> edition  whereis jack
[22:24] <friendlyfascism> etronik, The SSD was the only HD before the other HD?
[22:24] <edition> :/
[22:25] <monoton> hello and good evening.
[22:25] <monoton> is Ubuntu 10.04 the last version before they went gnome3, or are there later versions?
[22:25] <etronik> friendlyfascism: e brand new :-) Z97 chipset and yes the SSD was the only hd before addign the other one
[22:26] <friendlyfascism> etronik, Strange a computer with no slave setup should boot from the HD read first are you sure you have this set correctly?
[22:27] <etronik> friendlyfascism: set what up correctly ? the BIOS ?
[22:27] <friendlyfascism> etronik, Yes the bios, and no change in the type in the bios?
[22:27] <friendlyfascism> sata..etc
[22:28] <etronik> friendlyfascism: in my UEFI BIOS there's not much to go wrong, 1st order is the SSD (and I don't even see the HDD), only deep in the advanced setup and it's listed as second priority
[22:28] <Cloud1997> I have a 220gb drive with two partitions on it. 1=100gb Linux, 2=140gb Windows. Drive is blank. Question 1: Why can't I choose NTFS anymore for Windows? Question 2: What Mount points do I select for each partition?
[22:29] <friendlyfascism> etronik, Than change the advanced
[22:29] <etronik> friendlyfascism: change to what ? HDD in the first priority ?
[22:29] <friendlyfascism> YES
[22:29] <friendlyfascism> it is not rocket science
[22:29] <Cloud1997> What is friendly fascism?
[22:30] <etronik> but.. I want to boot from the SSD not the HDD...  does not seem logivcal
[22:30] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, It's a book read it.
[22:30] <friendlyfascism> a concept
[22:30] <Cloud1997> I get it.
[22:30] <friendlyfascism> etronik> friendlyfascism: in my UEFI BIOS there's not much to go wrong, 1st order is the SSD (and I don't even see the HDD), only deep in the advanced setup and it's listed as second priority. Does this mean in the advanced the SSD is second?
[22:31] <Cloud1997> It's the bankers.
[22:31] <etronik> friendlyfascism: deep in the advanced menu, HDD is listed as second priotity ! why would I change that to list HDD as first priority ?
[22:32] <friendlyfascism> etronik, Since you seem to not understand me I'm asking you to be clear as well.
[22:32] <monoton> Cloud1997: remember that usually Windows want to be the first partition on the disk...
[22:32] <etronik> ah ok, it was not cristal clear... sorry
[22:32] <Cloud1997> So what mount points do I select?
[22:32] <tubular39485> I'm having some issues with video drivers on an AMD laptop with an ATI card. Was using fglrx, Xorg took ~50% CPU (some of the time, anyways) and a huge amount of ram. Switched to fglrx-updates, seemed to be doing the same thing (reinstalled drivers, logged out and back in, which seemed to reset Xorg, before restarting - I have now restarted and we'll see if it changes.)
[22:33] <etronik> friendlyfascism: to clear it up: basic options SSD as 1st prio, deep in the advanced settings SSD as 1st prio
[22:34] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Do you have 4 primary partitions as of now?
[22:34] <tubular39485> Thing is, I switched away from the free drivers because the screen wasn't coming back on at all after suspend, and the proprietary drivers fixed that problem. Any advice on fixing either problem? (suspend seems doable if only I knew Linux magic)
[22:34] <monoton> Cloud1997: I'm not sure I got the problem right... you are about to install ubuntu, and have windwos installed before, or nothing installed before, or?
[22:35] <Cloud1997> Nothing installed before.
[22:35] <Cloud1997> Fresh pc
[22:35] <Cloud1997> I want Linux + Windows. I get to the partition screen and it's asking for mount points?
[22:35] <monoton> yeah suspend seems to still be a problem on lots of laptops :( and no userfriendly way to fix their problem in sight....
 I have a 220gb drive with two partitions on it. 1=100gb Linux, 2=140gb Windows. Drive is blank. Question 1: Why can't I choose NTFS anymore for Windows? Question 2: What Mount points do I select for each partition? HOw can you have partitions and a blank drive?
[22:36] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Pastebin sudo parted -l
[22:36] <Cloud1997> friendlyfascism:  Why would there be 4 partitions?
[22:36] <monoton> Cloud1997: if you have an empty hard disk, and want to have both Windows and Linux, then I recommend to install Windows first, on first half of the disk, and then Linux on the other half
[22:37] <Maltahl> i have some problems connecting to a VPN (PPTP) on Ubuntu Server 14.04 i have tried installing the GUI to see if that helped using network-manager-pptp. but when i enter the details are provided by my VPN provider i click the On Switch and then it stays saying not connected. Then when i click the on/off button agian to turn it off it crashes the network-manager
[22:37] <Cloud1997> monoton:  Windows hasn't arrived yet so I'm just going to put Linux on for now and leave the other partition for later. Yes I know Windows will destroy the boot loader but I think I remember how to restore it.
[22:37] <monoton> or if you have files on the disk before, move those last on the disk perhaps, as third partition maybe
[22:38] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Your description is raggedy, pastebin sudo parted -l
[22:39] <Cloud1997> friendlyfascism:  I am on a laptop separate from the pc which has nothing on it. No browser, no pastebin!
[22:39] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Boot the live cd and run it.
[22:39] <Cloud1997> No
[22:39] <friendlyfascism> dvd/usb actually
[22:39] <monoton> Cloud1997: ok. yeah you can fix the boot loader and grub boot menu later after the Windows install. just leave enough space in the start of the disk for windows. make an empty partition there for it
[22:39] <friendlyfascism> Cloud1997, Cool, but not being on the computer to show stuff is bad use of the channel.
[22:40] <friendlyfascism> you are making us guess that is not good
[22:41] <ajf> Hey
[22:41] <ajf> does setgid propagate for dirs?
[22:41] <ajf> If I make a dir in a setgid folder
[22:41] <ajf> will it have setgid too?
[22:41] <Cloud1997> monoton:  Yep. I was going to leave it just blank as EXT4 partition. But it asks what the mount points should be. Perhaps it's / for the main parition, /home for the other one but it's just a guess. I went on a google search and it didn't help that much.
[22:42] <monoton> Cloud, depending on your needs, a third partition for data (to be used by both your windows and linux programs) can be nice to have. I usually do that as fat32 wich is nice if you don't need files that are larger than 4 GB (video editing maybe?)
[22:42] <Cloud1997> I found an almost identical problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/370208/what-mount-point-should-i-use-for-data-free-space
[22:43] <ajf> Aha
[22:43] <ajf> setgid does propagate :)
[22:43] <monoton> Cload1997 yeah "/" is where linux os is installed. if you want a separate partition for your home directory (why?) then that one would be /home/
[22:46] <kmitchell> hey what's the terminal command name to open display settings window?
[22:46] <causasui> so, when executed in the shell, this command gives no output. but when executed in cron, I get log entries with the output of the ping command. What gives? if ping -c 1 hostname 1> /dev/null ; then ssh -fgNTR 1999:localhost:22 me@hostname -p 22222; fi # names changed to protect the innocent
[22:47] <monoton> Cloud1997: I'm not sure how ubuntu installation program is these days, but you can always partition the disk before install with gparted. (if gparted is not included in the ubuntu livedvd you can get it with synaptic package manager or Softwarecenter (if you have enough ram memory), in gparted you can format the first gonna-be-windows as ntfs perhaps (or fat32 and the windows installation will reformat it as ntfs later...)
[22:47] <etronik> rehi - somehow solved the sdd booting thing
[22:48] <Cloud1997> monoton:  The issue was that I was selecting Primary each time for both partitions. So it was asking me to choose a different mount point each time. It's accepted / for both now.
[22:48] <nolo> so i have this weird issue where randomly tf2 becomes sluggish. i suspect it has to do with unity in that it doesn't happen with gnome or kde. it happened with my previous amd card, and my now nvidia card, both with proprietary drivers (although was fine with the open source amd one). anyone else have similar issues?
[22:49] <monoton> Cloud1997: oh now I think I understand your questsion, you wonder about what to set the partitions that is not gonna be used by linux to? and no you sohuld not set a mount point to them!
[22:49] <Cloud1997> Yes
[22:50] <Cloud1997> But why would it not allow me to choose NTFS anymore?
[22:51] <monoton> only the partitions where you will install linux (or have swap or your linux username home) can be made in the ubuntu installation program. Other partitions where you will not put linux things must be made outside the installation program. like the NTFS partition. make those with gparted instead
[22:53] <monoton> if you didn't have any partitions on the disk before, then I recommend to quit the installation program and run gparted first from the livecd before installing, so you can make the (empty) windows partition first
[22:53] <monoton> and then run the installation program.
[22:53] <Cloud1997> monoton:  I get it. Thanks for the help.
[22:53] <etronik> I'm creating a new swap partition on the HDD, what filesystem do I specify for it ?
[22:54] <kmitchell> ANyone know the shell command to open settings?
[22:54] <Cloud1997> etronik:  I think there is a swap option itself.
[22:54] <kmitchell> or the display settings in 14.04
[22:55] <Tzunamii> Yes, there's a filesystem specifically for swap
[22:55] <etronik> Cloud1997, yeah I did specify swap as the partition type...
[22:55] <friendlyfascism> kmitchell, why are you using the terminal for that?
[22:56] <etronik> but do I need to format that swap partition (before was something else) - brand new partition on a secondary HDD
[22:56] <kmitchell> friendly fascim i'm in awesome window manager and have two monitors on ...
[22:56] <Guest65244> Hey guys
[22:57] <robd_> I set a hard and soft limit for a user in /etc/security/limits.conf but it's not being reflected when I run "ulimit -a" as the user
[22:57] <friendlyfascism> kmitchell, It would easier to use synapse..etc
[22:57] <robd_> I've logged out / logged back in and am still getting the lower default limit
[22:58] <kmitchell> friendlyfascism: i found it but unfortunately won't let me choose one monitor. an error shows up...
[22:58] <friendlyfascism> kmitchell, found what?
[23:00] <infinmed> Hello everyone!
[23:00] <friendlyfascism> displays is a gui does it even show in  awesome window manager
[23:00] <monoton> hello infinmed
[23:01] <tubular39485> kmitchell: monitors can be set using xrandr (though you'll have to learn how to use it), unity-control-center may be what you're looking for
[23:01] <monoton> what is tha last version of Ubuntu before it used gnome3?
[23:03] <kmitchell> tubular39485: do you know how to work xrandr?
[23:03] <k1l_> monoton: there is no supported ubuntu desktop version with gnome2 anymore. but you can use another desktop enviroment on ubuntu
[23:04] <friendlyfascism> !xrandr | kmitchell
[23:05] <k1l_> monoton: if you want the gnome2 look back try the fallback mode or see if xubuntu or Lubuntu fit your needs
[23:07] <friendlyfascism> monoton, mate is in 14.04 might be closer to gnome 2, your call.
[23:08] <philippe> hi everyone :)
[23:08] <scaredpianobench> http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/florida-man-drowns-after-beating-girlfriend-her-mother-to-death-police
[23:09] <scaredpianobench> james earl jones be beatin wimmenz to def
[23:09] <scaredpianobench> did i get kicked?
[23:10] <Guest17855> Hello. I try to get dwm work here. So I use a custom .desktop with the entry /etc/X11/Xsession but then the screen blanks and I have to put my password again...
[23:10] <monoton> ok
[23:10] <k1l_> scaredpianobench: yes. if you want to take part in this technical support channel act according to the guidelines
[23:11] <scaredpianobench> no links about murder?
[23:12] <monoton> Guest17855: what are you trying to do?
[23:15] <Guest17855> monoton: thx. I try to make lightdm run my .xinitrc basically
[23:17] <wheresmypaaants> l
[23:17] <maxflax> Trying to get bootcamp making me a partition so I can install linux. It whines about that I need to insert a Windows 7 disc in the drive. Anyone have any tips how to circumvent this?
[23:17] <borbit> Are you on mac?
[23:17] <maxflax> borbit: yes
[23:17] <borbit> I think bootcamp only does windows en osX
[23:18] <borbit> maxflax: bootcamp only does win and osX
[23:18] <borbit> how do say something to someone?
[23:18] <maxflax> Have used bootcamp on earlier OS X so I could install linux but with OS X Maverick they have changed this as it seems.
[23:18] <monoton> Guest17855: sorry I can't say I know anything about lightdm :-/
[23:18] <friendlyfascism> !tab | borbit
[23:19] <borbit> friendlyfascism, like this?
[23:19] <friendlyfascism> yep
[23:20] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: i could not use bootcamp on maverics either... refit did it...
[23:20] <borbit> Now you get some extra alert?
[23:20] <friendlyfascism> borbit, yes it is colored here.
[23:20] <tubular39485> maxflax: it can be done, you just have to partition and install yourself. rEFIt for bootloader?
[23:20] <friendlyfascism> green
[23:20] <tubular39485> borbit: yep, irc clients higlight your own name
[23:20] <Guest17855> monoton: I'll try to read my Xorg log, thx anyway
[23:20] <amed> how to download all images from https://drive.google.com/ with wget ?
[23:21] <borbit> Oke I'm thinking to buy a asus t100 transformer tablet/ laptop. Is it possible to use ubuntu on it? Dual boot. Or does it not work on such a device? I think it had a normal intel cpu?
[23:21] <borbit> intel atom or something?
[23:21] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: ok, I guess you did your own partitioning before refit?
[23:22] <friendlyfascism> borbit, https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=ubuntu+asus+t100+transformer+tablet&gbv=1&sei=o7fFU9uXAsXNigLI6YHACA
[23:22] <amed> #join ubuntu-es
[23:22] <maxflax> tubular39485: using rEFInd
[23:23] <friendlyfascism> amed, /join
[23:23] <amed> friendlyfascism, lol
[23:23] <borbit> friendlyfascism, thanks. That website looks really useful. Is it only for searching computer related things or also other things?
[23:24] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: yeap..if i remember correctly
[23:24] <friendlyfascism> borbit, I just gave you a google search, what website?
[23:24] <borbit> friendlyfascism, yes google. It looks really useful!
[23:25] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: Wanted to avoid reinstalling osx. but I guess Im forced to if a I want to install linux on it.
[23:25] <friendlyfascism> borbit, It or any other of the handful of search engines
[23:25] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: why?
[23:25] <iamwhoiam> i didnt
[23:26] <borbit> friendlyfascism, what is this "search engine" you speak off? I'm not a mechanic. I no very little about engines.
[23:26] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: only have my hfs+ partition now.
[23:26] <friendlyfascism> borbit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine
[23:27] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: or can I rezise it with ubuntu live cd installer?
[23:28] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: if i remember correctly, i installed refit.. then disk utility (sth like that?) to create the partitions, insert live cd/dvd
[23:28] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: and format the partitions from there
[23:29] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: am i missing something?
[23:29] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: and keeping your os x installation?
[23:29] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: yeap... booting is done by refit,
[23:29] <binary> hi, is it possible to change the ubuntu logo during grub boot screen for an install iso? i am having a hard time finding any documention. the only documentation i have found is for live isos, not install isos
[23:30] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: I know, but can the live cd rezise the hfs+ partition so I can create new partitions?
[23:30] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: i use macosx only when i need the battery, so not really mac user
[23:30] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: this you will do from within macosx..
[23:30] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: disk utility is called, no?
[23:30] <ice9> is there a forked project from gnome 2?
[23:31] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: ok, testing it right now,
[23:33] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: 1. install refit, 2. disk utility and create/resize the partitions you are going to need, 3. boot *ubuntu and just choose the partitions you ae going to need
[23:34] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: keep in mind this is the general steps, if something is needed in between, you have to check as i dont remember (had a lot of issues making things running afterwards)
[23:34] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: I know, using rEFInd thou.. refit is no longer developed.
[23:36] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: vale.. good luck
[23:36] <maxflax> iamwhoiam: Did it 2 years ago... decided to upgrade my OSX to Maverick which destroyed all so now Im doing a fresh install.
[23:36] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: your upgrade destroyed everything? mine, from the apple store thing was fine
[23:37] <iamwhoiam> maxflax: it created problems within mac, changed directories of compilers and libraries, so i never used it again for work.. but the linux part was ok - besides its own problems that it already had