[07:23] <ducasse> good morning
[07:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:48] <Deano59> good morning :) is this channel just a place to say morning and that's it? ;)
[08:48] <Deano59> I don't see much other chat :(
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> Deano59: you can always start a topic
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> topics will wakeup the volunteers :p
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: im reinstalling on that HP, dongle recognized on default iso kernel, after install to check on latest kernels
[10:12] <lordievader> Deano59: This is not a very active channel
[11:04] <Maik> Deano59: IRC isn't anymore what it used to be, it's quiet everywhere
[11:05] <Maik> Deano59: most of the stuff happens on Telegram, Matrix and Discord these days
[11:06] <Maik> the kids took over and destroyed that what's once was IRC.
[11:06] <Maik> s/what's/what
[13:55] <lordievader> Luckily matrix interfaces with IRC just fine.
[13:56] <lordievader> This is a nice talk about these kind of transitions: https://archive.fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/nextgencontributors/
[14:40] <Deano59> I know, lordievader...
[17:25] <Deano59> goodbye, for now...
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: my bug got even weirder; fresh install -desktop kernel 5.4.0-58 wifi & eth not working, but on a lubuntu 20.04 all kernels networking working
[18:25] <jeremy31> That is strange
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> bug #1907984
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> im puzzled lol
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> can a kernel version bork gnome?
[18:32] <jeremy31> Can you disable ampdu on the wifi router
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> dont think so, my router is an isp managed once
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> *once
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> one


[00:16] <oh4> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ciyJB4J9/
[00:16] <oh4> ogra_: it worked!!!
[00:17] <oh4> sorry, had to leave this morning in a hurry for work ;)...thought I would have time to troubleshoot from the office but that was a negative ;)
[04:19] <mup> Bug #1641958 changed: The Cliqz snap will not run from either menu or CLI <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1641958>
[07:06] <bso> Hello, I am new to snap, and I have trouble with a snap flag --dangerous.
[07:06] <bso> I installed snapcraft 2.25 and created a tutorial snap hello_2.10_amd64.snap.
[07:07] <bso> But, the command "sudo snap install --dangerous hello_2.10_amd64.snap" failed with unknown flag "dangerous".
[07:07] <bso> I am on Ubuntu 16.04.
[07:08] <bso> Anybody know if this is a bug or the tutorial is outdated?
[07:17] <nhaines> bso: what version of snapd do you have?
[07:18] <mup> Bug #1658281 opened: --dangerous flag not recognized by snap <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1658281>
[07:18] <bso> @nhaines, I just installed snapcraft 2.25 and it came with snapd 2.11+0.16.04
[07:18] <nothal> bso: No such command!
[07:20] <bso> @nothal, what do you mean? "sudo snap install --dangerous hello.snap" is not a right command?
[07:20] <nothal> bso: No such command!
[07:21] <bso> I was just following the tutorial in snapcraft.io/create
[07:21] <bso> That is the snapcraft getting started guide, right?
[07:23] <bso> @nothal, if the install command is not right, what is the right command I should use to install a snap?
[07:23] <nothal> bso: No such command!
[07:23] <bso> @nothal, are you a robot?
[07:23] <nothal> bso: No such command!
[07:23] <nhaines> bso: the current version of snapd is 2.20.
[07:24] <nhaines> I don't think --dangerous was added until 2.18 or so.
[07:24] <bso> ok, I am not sure how I got the old version.
[07:25] <bso> The tutorial says I have to install snapcraft by "sudo apt install snapcraft", and it seems it installed snapcraft 2.25.
[07:25] <bso> I did not install snapd separately.
[07:26] <bso> Should I upgrade snapd separately?
[07:26] <nhaines> Yes, they're not related.
[07:26] <bso> Oh, I thought snapcraft installed snapd.
[07:27] <nhaines> Nope, doesn't look like it from the package description.
[07:27] <bso> then, probably Ubuntu 16.04 already installed snapd by default.
[07:28] <nhaines> Yes, 16.04 comes with snapd.  But you should certainly upgrade your development environment when building.  :)
[07:29] <bso> @nhaines, once I update snapd to the latest version, I was able to run snap-install successfully.
[07:29] <nothal> bso: No such command!
[07:29] <bso> Thanks a lot.
[07:29] <nhaines> That's great!  :)
[07:36] <mup> Bug #1658281 changed: --dangerous flag not recognized by snap <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1658281>
[08:01] <Skuggen> The --dangerous flag used to be --force-dangerous, just as a note
[10:22] <mup> Bug #1658298 opened: The (administratively maintained) mapping file /etc/iproute2/rt_tables is not writeable. <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1658298>
[17:31] <mup> PR snapd#2675 closed: asserts: implement SuggestFormat to help avoid specifying the wrong format iteration for an assertion <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2675>
[18:28] <Roman> Hi, everybody! Would you, please, clarify current status of snap package manager on CentOS? Is it possible to install it with yum, or build and install it from sources? Thank you so much in advance.
[21:02] <ivo_> Hey Guys, When I try to run a snappy app I get an error msg:  cannot create user data directory:  Read-only file system
[21:02] <ivo_> can you help me solve the issue
[21:02] <ivo_> It is happening with all snappy apps
[21:44] <mup> Bug #1577472 opened: The remapped $HOME directory shows as read-only to applications running in a snap <snapd-interface> <Snappy:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1577472>
[23:30] <mcphail> kyrofa: Thanks for updating nextcloud! DavDroid is working perfectly now. Do the nextcloud apps always get disabled on an update? I had to re-enable them as I was working


[12:05] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:11] <rick_h> morning
[15:26] <greg-g> g'morn
[15:33] <snap-l> Howdy.
[15:34] <snap-l> Quick poll: If there were a separate jobs mailing list for a certain user group that allowed recruiters to post directly to the list, would this be something you would be interested in?
[15:34] <snap-l> (assuming you were in the job market, etc)
[15:40] <_stink_> i'm sure i'd subscribe, then filter then somewhere i would never read
[15:43] <greg-g> liberationtech has a -jobs list, but it doesn't seem to have recruiters post to it, more often the list admin or people from the companies doing the hiring
[16:12] <snap-l> Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of: people will either not subscribe, or they'll not read it
[16:12] <snap-l> then again, it would get some of the traffic off of the main list. :)
[16:13] <greg-g> is this MUG?
[16:13] <snap-l> It could be. :)
[16:13] <snap-l> (yes)
[16:13] <greg-g> (there's no traffic on ubuntu-us-mi, of course :) )
[16:14] <snap-l> Yeah, there's a little traffic on that list.
[16:15] <snap-l> ubuntu-us-mi that is
[16:16] <snap-l> Also, if you ever decide to have a group called mug, or a podcast named "metal", expect folks to try to solicit you ceramic mug manufacturing, or nickel alloys.
[16:19] <greg-g> heh
[16:20] <snap-l> Thank God I don't have an Apple Product liberation blog called Free Ipad or I'd really be in trouble.
[16:34] <brousch> snap-l: How many jobs posts are there to MUG?
[16:42] <snap-l> We usually get about 1-2 a month
[16:42] <snap-l> so it's not horrible traffic, but I'm wondering if we could open it up some more
[16:43] <snap-l> Just wanted to get a general sense if I was completely off-base for suggesting it
[16:48] <brousch> I think there's no point until you get a complaint from a member
[16:49] <brousch> For GRWebDev we set up a free jobs board so people can post. Peoeple interested in the jobs can go there
[16:50] <snap-l> Yeah, we've kicked that around as well
[17:28] <greg-g> I find it funny that Fx nightly plays youtube videos just fine, but chromium consistently gives me "video not available" errors
[17:30] <snap-l> Wonder if it's something to do with Flash between the browsers
[17:30] <snap-l> or perhaps some privacy foo
[17:32] <greg-g> probably option 2
[17:32] <greg-g> but duno
[17:32] <greg-g> +n
[17:32] <greg-g> I even have flashblock going on Fx
[17:32] <greg-g> (so, two clicks needed instead of just one)
[17:42] <jrwren> does chromium come with flash like chrome does?
[17:43] <jcastro> no
[17:46] <jrwren> there ya go.
[17:48] <greg-g> doesn't make sense, wouldn't it give me a "no flash, dur" error instead?
[17:48] <rick_h> because it hates you
[17:48] <rick_h> it's quite personal
[17:48]  * greg-g nods
[17:48] <greg-g> understandable, I dislike it as well
[17:53] <snap-l> https://plus.google.com/+IanBicking/posts/Pzzj4gsfa2U
[17:54] <snap-l> Every time I think "I should learn me some Javascript" I read something like this.
[17:55] <jrwren> snap-l: don't let that stop you. C compilers weren't compatible with each other for many years. it is still a great language.
[17:55] <snap-l> I know C doesn't guard against shit, but it seems like Javascript sets out a welcome mat over a vat of laser-sharks
[17:55] <jrwren> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/C-Extensions.html
[17:56] <jrwren> just follow Crockford style JS and all is good.
[17:57] <rick_h> jslint or bust
[17:57] <rick_h> and if it huts your feelings then man up and get over it
[17:58] <snap-l> Programming is hard. Let's go shoppinmg
[17:59] <jrwren> shopping is hard, lets write a database.
[17:59] <snap-l> Checking integrity is hard. Let's write MongoDB.
[18:00] <snap-l> (aside: I noticed identi.ca was having replication issues with MongoDB. Could only shake my head.))
[18:00] <jrwren> lol
[18:00] <jrwren> mongodb is webscale
[18:01] <snap-l> MongoDB is a steaming pile of webscale.
[18:46] <jrwren> TIL: debian packages nginx in both -core and -light versions.
[18:53] <snap-l> what's the difference between the two?
[18:56] <jrwren> light is not a complete set of core modules.  -full has full core modules.
[18:56] <jrwren> oops, its -full and -light
[18:57] <snap-l> Ah, ok
[19:31] <rick_h> yea, lots of optional modules but requires recompile
[19:32] <jrwren> i'll start with full, then maybe try light
[19:32] <jrwren> since all I really need is uwsgi
[20:47] <jrwren> wtf ubuntu - uwsgi 1.0.3, isn't that ANCIENT?!?
[20:49] <jrwren> oh, its the LTS uwsgi.
[20:50] <rick_h> yea, pip install uwsgi ftw
[20:56] <jrwren> actually 1.0.3 is fine :)
[20:56] <jrwren> adn my good it is FAST
[20:56] <jrwren> nginx+uwsgi FTW
[20:56] <rick_h> yea, it's nice. I run bookie with nginx + uwsgi
[20:57] <rick_h> though I do want to go to gunicorn
[20:57] <jrwren> i adapted http://justcramer.com/2013/06/27/serving-python-web-applications/
[20:57] <jrwren> and WOW this is faster than I thought it would be.
[20:57] <rick_h> http://docs.bmark.us/en/latest/hosting.html#hosting-your-bookie-installation is the bookie docs and a little bit out of date
[20:57] <jrwren> ok i'm still in awe of how fast this is.
[20:58] <rick_h> very cool
[20:58] <jrwren> 1100 rps with running ab -n 10000 -c 100
[21:10] <jrwren> oh, lol, that wasn't hitting the uwsgi, that was just nginx redirecting /a/b/c to /a/b/c/
[21:10] <jrwren> *sigh*
[21:22] <rick_h> lol
[21:22] <rick_h> ok, that makes more sense
[23:12] <snap-l> jrwren: nigix serves /dev/null like a bat out of hell


[02:46] <LLckfan> My modem went out (like the cable company was working on the line) and now the router will not connect to the internet. Is there some way to get it to see the internet again without reinstalling the software? (BTW I am hooked up to the modem right now)
[03:39] <valorie> LLckfan: you are connecting to IRC, and not the internet?
[03:39] <valorie> I very much doubt that software is at fault; I would try resetting the modem
[03:40] <valorie> usually you have to unplug it from the power source for a minute or so
[03:40] <LLckfan> BTW I am hooked right to the router
[03:41] <valorie> when I have such problems I call comcast and get them to test the connection while I'm on the phone with them
[03:41] <LLckfan> The router works
[03:41] <valorie> it's always them, never my computer
[03:42] <LLckfan> The modemn works
[03:42] <LLckfan> It is the router
[03:42] <valorie> first you say that the router won't connect to the internet, then that it works
[03:42] <valorie> which is it?
[03:43] <LLckfan> It does not connect
[03:43] <LLckfan> But it works
[03:43] <LLckfan> The networking works
[03:43] <LLckfan> It will not connect to the internet
[03:59] <fractaline> anyone here has  used mint kde and care to compare?
[03:59] <fractaline> just looking for opinions...
[04:00] <ahoneybun> I have never use the KDE version of Mint
[04:01] <Aethysius> Kubuntu imo is better.
[04:01] <Aethysius> KDE with Mint is clunky, in my experience.
[04:04] <fractaline> thanks for that Aethysius ahoneybun
[04:05] <LLckfan> My modem went out I saw them come back on (like the cable company was working on the line) and now the router will not connect to the internet. Is there some way to get it to see the internet again without reinstalling the software? (BTW I am hooked up to the modem right now)
[04:05] <fractaline> i'm obsessed with finding the 'right'  os
[04:06] <Aethysius> I really like Kubuntu.
[04:07] <ahoneybun> fractaline: I have moved from Mint, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Arch, Charka, Debian
[04:07] <ahoneybun> and I have found my spot in Kubuntu
[04:08] <fractaline> me too, but i am having some bugs.   i believe i need to clean install.   looking into a separate /home partition
[04:08] <fractaline> ahoneybun, that's good to hear,  it really it
[04:08] <fractaline> is
[04:08] <Aethysius> I have my boot disk on a SSD and my /home on a 2TB disk.
[04:08] <ahoneybun> Aethysius: damn lol
[04:08] <Aethysius> I really didn't like Lubuntu, or Unity.
[04:09] <Aethysius> Problem is, my 2TB is split in two from when I had a Windows partition.
[04:09] <ahoneybun> Aethysius: LXDE is not for me once I used KDE, Unity, GNOME shell
[04:09] <fractaline> na, unity is a bit gimmicy
[04:09] <Aethysius> I like KDE and Xfce.
[04:09] <ahoneybun> Aethysius: can't you resize with K Parted?
[04:09] <Aethysius> Well, it has data on it.
[04:10] <ahoneybun> fractaline: I think it can be great it's just a lot of the features in it are in KDE already
[04:10] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:10] <fractaline> i'm doing it all on a laptop with 500gig
[04:10] <ahoneybun> cool
[04:10] <ahoneybun> I wish I could get a new one, I'm currently looking at a new phone serive
[04:10] <ahoneybun> service
[04:11] <fractaline> would 70 gig be enough for /home?
[04:12] <ahoneybun> fractaline: depends what you are using it for
[04:12] <ahoneybun> just for browsing the web and text documents and a few videos and pics sure
[04:12] <fractaline> just average home pc stuff...  music movies web
[04:13] <ahoneybun> fractaline: should be
[04:14] <ElTimo> fractaline: I have 45 GB set for my /home and that's been more than enough for me.
[04:14] <fractaline> i guess i can always move bulky files (movies) if it gets full
[04:14] <ahoneybun> anyway I'm off for the day
[04:15] <fractaline> thanks alot guys i really appreciate it
[04:15] <fractaline> ciao ahoneybun
[04:15] <ahoneybun> see ya
[04:16] <fractaline> the more i get to kknow linux the more i see how much i have to learn... lol
[04:26] <Aethysius> I don't know anything about the command line of Linux. Well, I know a small bit, but not nearly enough.
[04:29] <fractaline> we'll get there Aethysius ;)
[04:33] <neumann> since the last major upgrade 13.04 -- on startup, i'm getting random "an application has crashed now or in the past", and /var/crash/ is referencing ksplashqml and akonadi elements as culprits...
[05:20] <hoverboard> hi
[12:52] <seele> anyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation.
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> seele: what about kde notifications?
[13:01] <seele> ovidiu-florin: i am doing some user interviews if you are interested. i'll be available in about 40 minutes
[13:01] <seele> ovidiu-florin: i will donate $5 to the kde e.v. for your participation
[13:02] <ovidiu-florin> seele: I'm interested
[13:03] <seele> ovidiu-florin: ok great, i'll ping you in about 40 minutes?
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[13:19] <totoro44> Hello everybody
[13:21] <totoro44> I need your help, because i'm trying to rename files, dolphin crashes.
[13:33] <GH0> How am I supposed to disable the KDE Wallet service for a user if one doesn't exist in the Account Details page? http://i.imgur.com/Cdqm4N6.png I don't see anything about disabling the service via cli either.
[13:41] <MySystem> hello how can i view the real grafikadapter not the output of "sudo lspci -v -s `lspci | awk '/VGA/{print $1}'`" because i think this is an error
[13:41] <MySystem> i thought it is an ati card
[13:42] <GH0> Asked in #kde, kwalletmanager needed to be installed. Not sure why it wasn't in the first place.
[13:47] <Fritigern> MySystem: What is the output that you receive?
[13:47] <MySystem> !pastebin
[13:47] <MySystem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5713421/
[13:49] <Fritigern> lspci gets the info directly from the hardware. So all i can say is that you do not seem to have an ATi card as you thought you had.
[13:51] <MySystem> ok thanks fritigern, then its an nvidia nice (better driver support) , thought 9520 is an ati number for the old 95xx series
[14:23] <GH0> What would be the best way to handle and fix this problem: http://i.imgur.com/DVbv5ig.png I saw update-mime-database but that didn't work for me, unless I just pointed it to the wrong directory.
[14:27] <alvin> Is there a way to change the background of the 'homerun' plasma widget? I want to change the opacity. The default setting is barely readable because of the translucency
[14:33] <Akishona> what is: Get Hot New Stuff v2 library for kde platform ?
[14:58] <rance> I am running kubuntu 13.04 and it was running fine till a package upgrade today.  After a requested reboot, when I log in my session appears to have vanished.  No background, no status bars, just black screens.  The keyboard shortcuts I have configured do work, so its not a total loss.  I'm just not sure how to fix.  This happens for all user accounts on the box, not just one.
[14:58] <ovidiu-florin> can you go to tty1?
[15:00] <rance> yes I can go to tty1
[15:01] <ovidiu-florin> reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[15:05] <ovidiu-florin> if this does not fix, also install plasma-desktop
[15:10] <rance> ovidiu-florin: no dice
[15:11] <rance> After a reinstall of both plasma-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, no changes
[15:13] <ovidiu-florin> sorry, it was kde-workspace
[15:13] <ovidiu-florin> dang... I just couldn't remember it
[15:17] <rance> well, dang.  That didn't help either
[15:17] <ovidiu-florin> weird, what have you updated?
[15:18] <rance> I used muon to scan for updates, and it said I had 27 or so.  I updated them, and one was a new kernel.  Thats why it asked me to reboot.
[15:19] <rance> I didn't notice anything in the list of package updates that would have raised suspicions
[15:19] <ovidiu-florin> new version of KDE?
[15:20] <apachelogger> rance: less /var/log/apt/history.log
[15:20] <apachelogger> at the very bottom you should find the most recently installed software
[15:20] <apachelogger> was anything removed?
[15:20] <apachelogger> also... if you hit alt-f2 in your "empty" session ... do you get krunner popping up at the top of the screen?
[15:22] <rance> yes I think it was a new version of KDE, at least I see a lot of libkde*5 packages
[15:23] <rance> even a lib plasma package got updated
[15:23] <rance> apachelogger:  Yes, keyboard shortcuts work
[15:24] <apachelogger> curious enough
[15:24] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:24] <apachelogger> rance: open konsole then ... killall plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop --nofork
[15:24] <apachelogger> any suspicious output?
[15:24] <apachelogger> lordievader: ahoy
[15:25] <lordievader> Hey apachelogger, how are you?
[15:27] <rance> ok, thats the issue, plasma-desktop is not starting automatically
[15:28] <rance> manually starting it fixes it
[15:29] <apachelogger> rance: grep -r NoDisplay=true ~/.config/autostart/ /usr/share/autostart/ /etc/xdg/autostart/ |grep plasma-desktop
[15:29] <apachelogger> any output?
[15:30] <apachelogger> lordievader: my machine is being eaten by  ruby scripts ^^
[15:31] <lordievader> Is that a good or a bad thing?
[15:32] <apachelogger> lordievader: bad for me anyway ;)
[15:33] <rance> Its telling me I don't have a ~/.config/autostart/ directory or file
[15:33] <rance> .config is there but there is no autostart subdir
[15:33] <apachelogger> hm
[15:34] <apachelogger> rance: file /usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
[15:35] <rance> I have that file
[15:35] <apachelogger> this is very odd
[15:36] <apachelogger> rance: dpkg -S autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
[15:37] <apachelogger> any other package that contains the file?
[15:37] <apachelogger> (other than plasma-desktop)
[15:37] <Fritigern> I'm updating right now, and i see some spam in the console saying "kbuildsycoca4(11145) KBuildServiceFactory::createEntry: Invalid Service :  "/usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop" " Wondering is that's related. I could paste one of the full messages to pastebin
[15:38] <rance> kubuntu-settings-active and kubuntu-settings-netbook both have that file and are both installed.  Not sure why I need both of those
[15:39] <Fritigern> http://paste.kde.org/753104/
[15:40] <apachelogger> rance: uhm, you do not need kubuntu-settings-active
[15:40] <apachelogger> but
[15:40] <apachelogger> rance: run kdebugdialog, then select everything and apply
[15:40] <apachelogger> logout and back in again, then in a konsole again: cp ~/.xsession-errors ~/xsession-errors
[15:41] <Fritigern> Red flag in my console : kbuildsycoca4(16847)/kdecore (services) KServicePrivate::init: The desktop entry file  "/usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop"  has Type= "XSession"  instead of "Application" or "Service"
[15:41] <apachelogger> in your home directory is ~/xession-errors, send that to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>please
[15:41] <rance> will do
[15:41] <apachelogger> Fritigern: dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop
[15:42] <Fritigern> No need to search for that, it is installed
[15:43] <dnivra> Hello everyone! I'm running Ubuntu 12.04.2 and everytime I go fullscreen in VLC, the screen goes blank in 2 minutes time. I've disabled every option in energy settings and unchecked start automatically in screensaver. I also tried 'xset -dpms' which does disable dpms but then somehow dpms gets enabled. I tried looking around the internet but couldn't find out a solution. Does anyone here have any ideas how to prevent this?
[15:43] <apachelogger> Fritigern: what's the output
[15:44] <Fritigern> The output is "openbox: /usr/share/applications/openbox.desktop"
[15:44] <apachelogger> Fritigern: ubuntu-bug openbox
[15:44] <apachelogger> please report a bug, that file should not be in there but /usr/share/xsession/
[15:45] <cadonigi> ciao a tutti
[15:45] <cadonigi> !list
[15:47] <Fritigern> apachelogger: I just figured that this may be related to rance's problem
[15:47] <cadonigi> msg ubottu !bot
[15:48] <apachelogger> cadonigi: what are you doing exactly?
[15:48] <cadonigi>  /msg ubottu !bot
[15:48] <apachelogger> Fritigern: it is not. still a bug though ;)
[15:48] <apachelogger> cadonigi: ?
[15:48] <rance> apachelogger: email sent
[15:51] <apachelogger> also doesn't show what goes wrong -.-
[15:51] <apachelogger> rance: echo $KDEDIRS and please also send /var/log/apt/history.log
[15:54] <Guest43818> was ist hier denn los
[15:54] <rance> apachelogger: second email sent
[15:55] <apachelogger> rance: you are logging into plasma active not plasma desktop ^^
[15:57] <rance> apahelogger:  In my sessions selection during login I only have one choice.  KDE Plasma Desktop  (and the always present "previous choice" selections)
[15:57] <apachelogger> rance: sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-settings-active
[15:57] <apachelogger> that should fix it
[16:00] <rance> That did it, thanks for the help
[16:00] <apachelogger> rance: bug 1185503 FWIW
[16:00] <apachelogger> thanks for the logs
[16:02] <rance> YW, thanks for the help and doing the bug report for me, but since you did it, its already triaged, so that will save some time in the future.
[16:03] <apachelogger> also already on our todo list for 13.10, pretty grave issue that one is
[16:06] <dnivra> So does anyone have any ideas about the issue I'm facing -screen goes blank every two minutes when watching full screen in VLC; Kubuntu 12.04?
[16:07] <apachelogger> dnivra: does it happen with dragon?
[16:09] <dnivra> apachelogger: haven't checked actually. I will check now.
[16:10] <dnivra> apachelogger: just curious - are you asking because it might be a VLC issue? I did disable screensaver and inhibit power management daemon from VLC - can't think of other ways of fixing from within it..
[16:14] <apachelogger> dnivra: well, if it works with dragon it's probably some problem with how vlc inhibits power saving
[16:14] <apachelogger> also I gotta run, so in case it works with dragon #videolan might be able to help
[16:15] <dnivra> apachelogger: I guess there are no issues with dragon player - ran for about 3 mins or so. Guess I'll drop by #videolan. Thanks for your help!
[16:27] <dnivra> apachelogger: I dropped by #videolan. Looks like it's something broken with 2.0 series. Guess the devs are aware of it.
[16:27] <dnivra> thought I'd let you know too
[16:28] <dnivra> And apparently it's fixed in 2.1.
[19:07] <Guest1088> hello
[19:07] <Guest1088> hi
[19:07] <Guest1088> wtf.!\
[19:07] <lordievader> Hey Guest1088
[19:08] <Guest1088> hello sir
[19:08] <lordievader> Guest1088: How are you?
[19:08] <Guest1088> :)
[19:09] <Guest1088> :(
[19:09] <Guest1088> lordievader'
[19:09] <Guest1088> hello
[19:15] <BluesKaj> Guest1088, do you have a support question?
[19:34] <Dry_Lips> Hi guys, is there any good alternative to Dolphin?
[19:35] <tekkbuzz> Dry_Lips: Konqueror
[19:43] <Dry_Lips> tekkbuzz: Ok, thanks, but Konqueror is a web browser too, right? Aren't there other lightweight Qt file managers?
[19:44] <tekkbuzz> lots of them in the repos.
[19:44] <tekkbuzz> but I prefer Konqueror over any of them.
[19:46] <tekkbuzz> try this on the command line:   konqueror --profile filemanagement
[19:46] <soee> running live CD is it possible to resize partition ?
[19:46] <yofel> soee: regarding wubi, do you need the same system? Otherwise it would be easier to re-install on a seperate partition and copy the data you need over later
[19:46] <yofel> or make a backup first
[19:47] <soee> yofel, i do not want to do anything with current system
[19:47] <yofel> then you can just reinstall it no? Ubiquity can resize the windows partition to make space for kubuntu
[19:48] <dapo87> hi every one
[19:49] <Dry_Lips> tekkbuzz: thanks :)
[19:50] <soee> yofel, reinstall ? i want windows + kubuntu stay as they are. using the free space on my lap partition i want to create new empty partition
[19:50] <yofel> soee: I meant reinstalling kubuntu. If you want to do the partitioning yourself, you can select manual partitioning in the installer
[19:51] <yofel> soee: nevermind, I misunderstood
[19:52] <soee> yofel, i dont want to go installer etc :) just use some app like partition manager from live CD to resize current partition and from free space create new one
[19:52] <yofel> soee: is kubuntu installed on an actually real partition currently?
[19:53] <soee> yofel, dont think so, atm i see only 2 partitions in partition managwer, the one with systems and backup
[19:54] <yofel> soee: the windows partition manager?
[19:55] <soee> KDE Partition Manager
[19:56] <yofel> can you please pastebin the 'mount' output?
[19:56] <yofel> just so I can make sure that my wubi assumptions are actually correct
[19:57] <soee> yofel, http://paste.kde.org/753242/
[19:59] <yofel> ok, as expected. The live disk won't help there as you'll need to increase the size of the file that's bound to /dev/loop0
[20:00] <soee> :/
[20:04] <yofel> soee: actually, the live disk is still needed as it has to be unmounted as lordievader said. But what you need to do is boot the live disk, mount the NTFS partition, increase the size of the sparse file and then you can resize the FS to the new file size
[20:05] <soee> yofel, spare file - the one wubi created ?
[20:05] <yofel> soee: this looks reasonable: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sparse_file#Resizing_the_sparse_file
[20:05] <yofel> soee: yeah, the file that wubi installed kubuntu into
[20:06] <soee> yofel, but do i really need this?
[20:06] <soee> if i want new partition that has nothing to do with this wubi file ?
[20:06] <yofel> I forgot what the filename and location are, but fstab or google might tell
[20:07] <yofel> soee: well... I don't know whether wubi can handle real partitions. But what *might* work is:
[20:08] <yofel> create the partition you want, dd the file contents into the new partition, resize the FS that's now in the partition, fix fstab, install grub and you should be able to dual-boot kubuntu and windows without wubi
[20:08] <BluesKaj> I'm surprised how well W7 runs in VB, once set up properly with guest additions.
[20:09] <soee> yofel, ok thank you for your help i try to work it out
[20:28] <fractaline> good morning people
[20:31] <Guest56615> hello
[20:31] <Guest56615> good afternoon creatures
[20:31] <Guest56615> <3
[20:32] <n72567> my x closes after login and i get back to login
[20:35] <BluesKaj> n72567, can you get to a tty prompt ?, ctl+alt+F1  to F6
[20:37] <BluesKaj> if so then run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:37] <n72567> yea
[20:37] <BluesKaj> and which graphics do you have ?
[20:38] <n72567> thats not important as i said other new users can ligin to x
[20:40] <BluesKaj> n72567, where did you say that , I don't see it
[20:41] <n72567> sry u r right
[20:41] <n72567> i can login with a new user credential but not with my own
[20:41] <BluesKaj> oh over in ubuntu maybe
[20:42] <n72567> y
[20:43] <BluesKaj> not real well versed in users and permissions  ...I'm the only user on this pc
[20:45] <yofel> n72567: could you pastebin ~/.xsession-errors from the user that's broken?
[20:45] <n72567> just a secl
[20:49] <n72567>              ;thank you so mush
[20:49] <n72567> much
[20:49] <n72567> i found the error
[20:49] <yofel> what was it?
[20:49] <n72567> it was because of monkeysphere software i had installed
[20:50] <yofel> how would that crash X at login o.O?
[20:50] <n72567> it didnt crash x as i said
[20:50] <n72567> it just closes it and goes back to logn page
[20:50] <yofel> aaah ^^
[20:51] <n72567>      i dont know why it does that but it does
[20:51] <n72567>   again thank you yofel
[20:51] <n72567> bye bye
[21:50] <fractaline> hi, i've got the strangest issue with kwin/plasma.    i did kwin --replace to see if i could get some screen edge settings to stick. after, one of two virtual desktops has reverted to ubuntu/gnome (not unity as there is no unity panel).  eg when i'm on desktop one, my widgets are gone, it's showing the wallpaper that i last set on ubuntu, and right clicking on emty desktop gives me ubuntu right click menu (new folder etc.
[21:50] <fractaline> .)  i can still access my plasma panels so long as the right click menu is not up. i can use keyboard shortcuts to get back to desktop2 and all is well (kubuntu) ... here is a snapshot of the desktop with ubuntu folders and plasma panel. http://i.imgur.com/nCGzhLn.jpg?1     i'm sure a reboot or even logout would fix it for now but it happened yesterday as well.
[21:54] <fractaline> guess it's time for a clean install,  i'd  like to know if i used a backup of /home as it is, could this "bug" be introduced to the new installation?
[21:57] <fractaline> i hope that made some sense...   difficult to explain
[22:54] <valorie> fractaline: you might take your backup of home and rename the ~/.kde or ~/.kde4 folder before reinstalling
[22:55] <valorie> then if you are missing settings you can copy just those back
[22:55] <valorie> one way to check if that will help is to log in with a new user
[22:56] <valorie> but rather than reinstalling, just renaming that folder will probably be the best step
[22:56] <valorie> oops, this is #kubuntu, so it is ~/.kde
[22:56] <valorie> first check with a new user though
[23:01] <fractaline> valorie,  ty...   so are the kwin/plamsa settings in.kde?
[23:02] <fractaline> meaning if i backedup .kde only and copied it back to the new home would that give me those settings?
[23:04] <valorie> please try with a new user, fractaline
[23:04] <valorie> that will tell you for sure whether or not this advice will help
[23:05] <fractaline> or you mean that if i rename .kde then it will be regenerated without the "bug"?
[23:05] <fractaline> i will
[23:05] <valorie> your messed up settings are presumably in ~/.kde
[23:05] <valorie> if they are not, then this won't help
[23:05] <valorie> so a test first is necessary
[23:06] <fractaline> ok so log in as guest and try to reproduce the bug?
[23:07] <fractaline> thanks so much for responding!
[23:11] <valorie> fractaline: exactly
[23:11] <valorie> because guest will have a pristine ~/.kde
[23:12] <fractaline> great.   thanks so much!   brb
[23:29] <fractaline> valorie,  seems like it is in .kde.... i don't have the bug as a guest
[23:30] <fractaline> but it's easily reproduced when i log back in...
[23:31] <fractaline> i think it has to do with cairo dock...  i uninstalled with software center but it is still showing up in other places, eg as a login option.
[23:33] <fractaline> i'm tempted to remove anything cairo in muon package manager  but i'm not sure if i need some of it...
[23:35] <fractaline> you see i installed kubuntu over ubuntu and removed ubuntu-desktop (which lingered in the login menu until just now)
[23:36] <fractaline> so i'm not sure where the issue came from, and whether i should do a clean install to be rid of any "extra" stuff that may not be playing nicely with kubuntu
[23:40] <valorie> yeah, my luck has been chancey with installing kubuntu over ubuntu
[23:41] <valorie> but really, just renaming your ~/.kde folder (while logged out) will do the trick then
[23:41] <valorie> try that first, and then you can just copy back what you want
[23:41] <valorie> if that isn't good enough, you always have the option of a clean install
[23:42] <valorie> esp. with a fresh backup of home already done
[23:42] <valorie> backups are *always* good
[23:42] <fractaline> but how do i know which settings are the trouble in .kde?
[23:43] <valorie> if you log out and rename ~/.kde
[23:43] <valorie> when you log back in you'll have a clean one
[23:43] <valorie> then if you are missing some settings you can copy them back in
[23:43] <valorie> otherwise, if everything is fine, you're done
[23:44] <valorie> that's why it's good to rename rather than erase
[23:44] <valorie> you always have a fallback
[23:44] <fractaline> ya, a good practice
[23:45] <fractaline> could cairo have caused this do you think?
[23:47] <valorie> no idea; I've never used cairo
[23:48] <fractaline> also will i need to give guest any permissions to rename .kde?
[23:49] <fractaline> or just open dolphin in konsole with sudokde?
[23:53] <fractaline> valorie,  would that be the correct command?  sudokde dolphin   ??
[23:53] <valorie> no, you need to be logged out of KDE
[23:54] <fractaline> from where will i rename?
[23:55] <valorie> so log out and use control+ alt+ f2, log in as yourself, then cp ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[23:55] <valorie> then control alt f6 or so to get back to login screen, and login again
[23:56] <fractaline> that's tty right?
[23:56] <valorie> when I say control alt f6 or so, you can try this out now and see which it is
[23:56] <valorie> without logging out
[23:56] <valorie> yes, tty
[23:56] <valorie> what works for me is f2 and f6, but it might be a bit different for you
[23:57] <fractaline> i'll check now
[23:57] <fractaline> f7 for me
[23:58] <valorie> cool, so now you know that
[23:58] <fractaline> ok, brb   thanks so, so much for your help
[23:58] <valorie> have fun!
[23:59] <fractaline> :)


 https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/75974-Commercial-Support-Emerge-Open
 I have no idea...
[20:20] <valorie> KDAB, but I'm not sure that's what they are after
[20:21] <valorie> and there are companies in Assam in India, and in Formosa, but in the rest of the world?
 valorie: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/dfigpt/successful_transition_to_linux_for_a_grandmother/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x


[00:50] <darkfrog> I was using Mythbuntu fine, but wanted to switch to Gnome and now when I boot up I just get a black screen with the mouse cursor...how do I switch back to Xfce?
[01:03] <mooseman089> hey
[01:04] <mooseman089> in my frontend under status it says the backend is using like 993megs of its 1gig of ram but in the system monitor it only shows 333megs of use
[02:29] <darthanubis> why does totem mythtv plugin return "an error has occured no stream data"?
[02:31] <darthanubis> can anyone watch their myth content with totem?
[02:45] <buntunub> sure but why would you want to
[03:04] <darkfrog> I screwed something up on my mythbuntu installation and tried to switch to using Gnome and then KDE...both come up, but I get a black screen with the mouse cursor....how do I get back to my Mythbuntu desktop?
[03:05] <darkfrog> iamlindoro, you still around?
[03:08] <darthanubis> remote not working after kernel upgrade
[03:08] <buntunub> try setting it back up again
[03:09] <darthanubis> really?
[03:09] <darthanubis> @/sarcasm off :-P
[03:17] <darkfrog> Doesn't Mythbuntu use Xfce4 by default?
[03:24] <darthanubis> dunno
[03:24] <darthanubis> there seems to be no gurus here tonight
[03:25] <darthanubis> totem does not play myth content
[03:33] <KillerKiwi2005> darkfrrog: yes mythbuntu is xfce
[03:33] <KillerKiwi2005> darthanbuis: totem does work but Id call it beta quality at best
[03:34] <KillerKiwi2005> darkfrog: try reinstalling mythbuntu-desktop
[03:35] <KillerKiwi2005> and mythbuntu-default-settings
[03:41] <darthanubis> totem is not working here with myth content at all
[03:41] <KillerKiwi2005> darthanubis: Have you setup you gconf keys?
[03:42] <darthanubis> my pvr150 was working fine until the last mass update to .18 and new myth update
[03:42] <darthanubis> and yes of course i edited the gconf likethe website calls for
[03:42] <darthanubis> I don't want to go back to the old kernel just to use my remote
[03:42] <darthanubis> totem has never played myth content for me
[03:42] <KillerKiwi2005> Ive got a usb remote
[03:43] <KillerKiwi2005> totem works here
[03:43] <darthanubis> usb?
[03:43] <darthanubis> whats the point?
[03:43] <KillerKiwi2005> msusb remote
[03:43] <darthanubis> your "remote" is wired via usb?
[03:43] <darthanubis> isn't that called a mouse?
[03:44] <KillerKiwi2005> nope its a remote... via lirc
[03:44] <darthanubis> There was a guy here that helped me with my remote a while back
[03:44] <darthanubis> I did what we did and still no remote action
[03:44] <KillerKiwi2005> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes
[03:45] <KillerKiwi2005> new kernel?
[03:45] <KillerKiwi2005> did you have to compile modules last time?
[03:45] <darthanubis> dunno if I "HAD" to
[03:45] <darthanubis> but I did
[03:45] <darthanubis> and did this time as well
[03:45] <darthanubis> still no joy
[03:47] <KillerKiwi2005> I had that before.... i think I had to upgrade the package first to the correct module cause it crapped out after upgrading to 8.04
[03:48] <darthanubis> I've done all I can think to do
[03:48] <darthanubis> .confs are proper everything
[03:48] <darthanubis> lircd loads fine
[03:48] <darthanubis> all modules loaded
[03:48] <darthanubis> irw hanged but no reply when buttons pressed
[03:48] <KillerKiwi2005> you have a /dev/lirc* ?
[03:49] <darthanubis> yup
[03:49] <darthanubis> and it responds when I press the remote
[03:49] <KillerKiwi2005> maybe wrong lirc.conf ?
[03:49] <KillerKiwi2005> *guessing*
[03:49] <darthanubis> nope
[03:50] <KillerKiwi2005> see if irrecord sees it you could always do a manual config if that works...
[03:51] <KillerKiwi2005> sudo  irrecord --device=/dev/lirc0 custom_lirc.conf
[03:52] <darthanubis> but I have never had to do such a ridiculous thing with this popular remote that works
[03:53] <KillerKiwi2005> true but if irrecord works then it must be your conf files....
[03:53] <darthanubis> it seems ubuntu is trying its best to keep the pvr150 remote in a borken state
[03:53] <darthanubis> its the same config files that worked yesterday
[03:53] <darthanubis> and forever
[03:53] <darthanubis> its not working conf files thats the problem here
[03:54] <KillerKiwi2005> well if you have an /dev/lirc and it outputs content then the driver is fine....
[03:54] <KillerKiwi2005> that just leaves conf files...
[05:01] <hads> KillerKiwi2005: Where are you from?
[05:01] <KillerKiwi2005> nz
[05:01] <hads> KillerKiwi2005: Yeah, I guessed that bit :) Where abouts?
[05:02] <KillerKiwi2005> Right now... Auckland
[05:02] <hads> Cool. I'm in Timaru.
[05:02] <darthanubis> this remote situation is really the worst
[05:02] <KillerKiwi2005> hads you got freeview dvb-s?
[05:02] <hads> KillerKiwi2005: Yes
[05:03] <KillerKiwi2005> sweet, I hooked that up for my parents
[05:03] <hads> Cool, works well. What do you do for EPG?
[05:03] <KillerKiwi2005> im using tvnzXML at the moment
[05:04] <KillerKiwi2005> or is it xmlTVNZ
[05:04] <hads> Ah yes.
[05:04] <KillerKiwi2005> I see theres a zip file on the mythtv nz mailing list but I havnt tried it yet
[05:07] <hads> Yeah, that's generated with epgsnoop from the Sky EIT data, it probably contains more info and is more reliable thatn xmltvnz
[05:08] <KillerKiwi2005> I may switch to it... I get scared of touching the setup some times though ;) once its working.......
[05:08] <hads> Fair enough :) Anyway must dash out for a bit, nice to meet you.
[05:08] <KillerKiwi2005> later
[06:06] <Bob24> hello
[06:06] <Bob24> how do you add thumbmails on videos in ubuntu?
[06:06] <Bob24> i mean mythbuntu
[07:05] <Bob24> hello
[07:06] <Bob24> can someone please tell me how to find the IMDB number or a movie
[07:06] <Bob24> of a movie i mean
[08:22] <Bob24> hi, could someone please tell me why the copy speed over lan from windows to ubuntu/mythbuntu is so slow? From ftp its fast but i would like to know what would be causing this please?
[08:48] <tony_> anyone know the command to clear the mysql password
[13:22] <darthanubis> lirc is running , /dev/lirc0 replies
[13:22] <darthanubis> irw waits for cmds
[13:23] <darthanubis> but no response when remote used
[13:23] <darthanubis> ysing the same .conf files as .17 kernel when the remote worked perfect
[13:23] <darthanubis> I'm stuck
[13:23] <darthanubis> I have recompiled the kernel modules
[13:24] <darthanubis> hmmm, maybe I'll make sure I have the restricted modules packages
[13:24] <darthanubis> whats it called?
[13:24] <darthanubis> ubuntu.modules?
[15:05] <darthanubis> !lirc
[15:06] <darthanubis> I really could use some help with my remote
[15:06] <darthanubis> mythtv remote setup not working as before
[15:07] <darthanubis> cat /dev/lirc0 works
[15:12] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, which remote?
[15:13] <darthanubis> pvr150
[15:13] <darthanubis> glad to see you!
[15:13] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, lol
[15:14] <darthanubis> last time the guess was that the name for the remote was "wrong"
[15:14] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, well..I dont recall anything we may have done, I have been working on about 3 projects at the same time and the old brain is mush
[15:15] <darthanubis> not us
[15:15] <darthanubis> another guy here
[15:15] <foxbuntu> oh
[15:16] <darthanubis> http://pastebin.com/d5e927b74
[15:18] <darthanubis> I just can't understand why it works then after updates it does not work
[15:18] <darthanubis> and even if I repreat steps that made it work before, it does not work
[15:18] <filleokus> hello
[15:19] <filleokus> Has anyone here got a mce-keyboard connected to a *buntu machine? :)
[15:19] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, what part isnt working? transmit or receive?
[15:19] <darthanubis> neither
[15:19] <darthanubis> irw does nto echo cmds
[15:20] <filleokus> has got my remote to work, but the keyboard and its integrated mouse is deead
[15:20] <filleokus> dead*
[15:20] <filleokus> and the pain-in-the-ass part is that i did get work on 8
[15:20] <foxbuntu> darthanubis, do you know which revision of the remote you have?
[15:21] <filleokus> mythubuntu 7*, but then i reformatted and updated to 8 but i cant find the guide*
[15:21] <darthanubis> the one that just worked last week?;) The silver one?
[15:21] <darthanubis> a415-hpg
[15:22] <foxbuntu> it worked last week? what changed?
[15:23] <darthanubis> http://i3.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/d3/42/b5a8_12.JPG
[15:23] <darthanubis> The kernel, and mythtv
[15:24] <darthanubis> there were massive updates
[15:24] <darthanubis> kernel .17 to .18 to now .19
[15:24] <darthanubis> I guess 8.04.1 came out?
[15:26] <laga> not yet
[15:26] <darthanubis> oh
[15:26] <darthanubis> well I guess updates are trickling in via the update manager
[15:26] <laga> does it work with an older kernel?
[15:27] <darthanubis> I had hoped so but no, I got all turned around.
[15:27] <darthanubis> recompiling lirc-modules-source, running mythbuntu remote cofig
[15:27] <laga> does it work with an older version of lirc?
[15:27] <laga> but i dont believe there has been a lirc update
[15:27] <darthanubis> I've done these things so often, I think I cooked the good setup
[15:28] <darthanubis> I'm trying to remain calm, but I've lost my patience:(
[15:29] <darthanubis> normally its something obvious, like a missing /dev/lirc0
[15:29] <darthanubis> or bad lircd.conf
[15:29] <laga> nothing in the logs?
[15:29] <darthanubis> but the config is the same as before
[15:30] <darthanubis> the apropo modules are loaded, the device is present and echoes keys, but irw does not echo
[15:30] <darthanubis> which logs, myth's?
[15:30] <laga> then your lircd.conf must be broken
[15:30] <laga> try irrecord?
[15:30] <laga> or can you pastebin the lircd.conf?
[15:31] <darthanubis> sure
[15:31] <darthanubis> lircd.conf just symlinks here  /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge
[15:32] <laga> i suggest copying that file to /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and removing all remotes except for yourws
[15:32] <laga> -w
[15:32] <darthanubis> http://pastebin.com/d333f9c57
[15:33] <darthanubis> /etc/lirc/lircd.conf is a symlink to the file you suggest copying over
[15:34] <laga> yes.
[15:34] <darthanubis> http://pastebin.com/d5e927b74
[15:34] <darthanubis> so ifs a symlink to the same data, where is the difference?
[15:35] <darthanubis> I dunno who thought it a good idea to use all these symlinks to begin with
[15:36] <laga> it wont be a symlink to the same data
[15:37] <laga> try removing all remotes xcept for yours
[15:37] <laga> in that file
[15:44] <darthanubis> brb
[15:57] <darthanubis> :(
[16:02] <laga> ?
[16:02] <darthanubis> none of this is working
[16:03] <laga> did you try removing the other remotes?
[16:03] <darthanubis> no, because they did not interfere before, it makes no sense in my mind that they would now:/
[16:04] <darthanubis> I don't want to blindly go around just hacking at stuff
[16:04] <darthanubis> I need logica reasons as to why something like that would even work
[16:05] <laga> my ati remote didn't work. remove some medion remote from the config.
[16:05] <laga> it works.
[16:11] <darthanubis> wow
[16:12] <laga> so, i'm not offering advice i gathered while hitting the pipe ;)
[16:16] <darthanubis> now I've lost /dev/lirc0 completely
[16:16] <darthanubis> &%*&#%
[16:16] <darthanubis> laga, I did edit the file as you reccomended
[16:16] <laga> and now the device node is gone? is lircd still running?
[16:17] <darthanubis> /etc/init.d/lirc restart work gave 2 oks
[16:17] <darthanubis> but no device
[16:19] <darthanubis> nvm
[16:26] <darthanubis> irw does not even hang anymore
[16:27] <laga> working now?
[16:27] <darthanubis> its never taken me this long to fix this
[16:27] <laga> or does it just exit?
[16:27] <darthanubis> no
[16:27] <darthanubis> just exits
[16:27] <laga> :(
[16:27] <laga> what's in daemon.log regarding lirc?
[16:28] <darthanubis> there is no lirc device anymorre
[16:29] <darthanubis> although I compiled lirc from source no modules are being loaded at boot
[16:29]  * sabhain feels darthanubis' pain
[16:36] <darthanubis> Times like these I want to hop distros
[16:37] <darthanubis> now the daemon neither starts or stops
[16:38] <laga> and all you did was changing lircd.conf?
[16:40] <darthanubis> yes
[16:41] <darthanubis> I eally don't know what the hell just happened
[16:43] <kjurt77> Hi. I'm having core dumps from mythfrontend since upgrading mythtv with the proposed update last week or so. Also tried to use the weekly build but still core dumps :(. Attempting to view a recorded program will cause it to core dump.. anyone else having this?
[16:46] <laga> kjurt77: can you file a bug report with a backtrace?
[16:47] <laga> letz me get you the url
[16:47] <laga> kjurt77: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=809791
[16:49] <kjurt77> laga: thanks... will do
[17:08] <saxomophone> hi, can anyone in here help me? I'm trying to set up mythbuntu using my stb through firewire, but mythprime keeps failing
[17:09] <saxomophone> i have an sa4250
[17:09] <saxomophone> hd
[17:09] <jphillip> saxomophone check your encrpytion status in the diagnostic menu
[17:11] <sardiskan> I need help, I can burn recordings to DVD
[17:13] <jphillip> saxomophone stb itself
[17:13] <sardiskan> I can't transcode anything either
[17:18] <sardiskan> found something on DVD creation
[17:18] <sardiskan> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive#MythArchive_doesn.27t_work._It_gets_to_the_log_viewer_and_just_sits_there._What.27s_wrong.3F
[17:21] <darthanubis> the lirc modules are no longer loading at boot
[17:21] <darthanubis> this is so maddening
[17:22] <darthanubis> it seems Hardy gets worse after every update
[17:22] <darthanubis> nothing but ubuntu has been on this box, but Hardy is saddening me
[17:35] <saxomophone> okay, i got into my diagnostics menu, what do I look for to see if it's encrypted?
[17:35] <saxomophone> source ID says 0x0C0B
[17:42] <saxomophone> okay, i found a page in the diagnostics that says "copy protection"
[17:42] <saxomophone> It says "1394: Unavailable"
[17:42] <saxomophone> does that mean the port is disabled?
[17:43] <normski1066> can someone please help me with using the live CD
[18:00] <saxomophone> anyone else have ideas why mythprime isn't priming my stb?
[18:07] <darthanubis> anyone using totem to watch mythtv recordings?
[18:09] <saxomophone> is mythprime isn't working, can i try to follow the instructions for setting up firewire in .20?
[18:11] <saxomophone> or would i have more success reinstalling with the 7.10 version instead of the 8.04?
[18:11] <saxomophone> as it seems the support for 8.04 isn't as wide yet
[18:39] <jphillip> why don't users stick around for answers?
[18:45] <sabhain> like a hurricane in here ... wow
[18:50] <Sypher|NL> anyone here in this room with experience with Alsa?
[18:51] <jphillip> Sypher|NL better to ask your question and see if anyone knows, Alsa is kinda a broad subject
[18:57] <Sypher|NL> ok sorry
[18:58] <Sypher|NL> well: I am new to Myth/Ubuntu/Alsa and I installed my mediacenter with MythBuntu. The pc has a Creative Audigy and I finally got the "stereo surround" to work but I cannot get it to work with MythMusic
[19:01] <Sypher|NL> It works with mplayer (using default settings / software mixer)
[19:01] <Sypher|NL> last.fm works
[19:02] <Sypher|NL> but i cannot get it to work in myth :(
[20:23] <saxomophone> Hi, I'm having some trouble configuring a firewire STB. plugreport shows port 0 node 1, but firewire tester fails every time
[20:24] <saxomophone> I know how to get into the diagnostic page on my stb, but i'm not sure what to look for in there
[20:25] <jphillip> saxomophone it sounds like your firewire isn't enabled based on what you said earlier
[20:25] <saxomophone> even though plugreport detects it?
[20:26] <jphillip> other things to check for are 5c encryption status or CCI flags (but they should only apply per channel)
[20:26] <jphillip> well your stb says its not enabled
[20:26] <jphillip> on my motorola it comes up as enabled, might want to track someone down who has a working SA
[20:26] <saxomophone> kk
[20:27] <jphillip> try the forums, there are a few people in there who have them I believe
[20:27] <saxomophone> should I call the cable company and complain that by law it's supposed to work?
[20:27] <jphillip> 0.21 firewire support is a lot nicer than 0.20.2 though, so I wouldn't switch back
[20:27] <jphillip> 0.20.2 had a node skipping problem which is no longer of concern in 0.21
[20:28] <saxomophone> ok
[20:29] <saxomophone> if i can't get firewire working at all, what are my other options?
[20:29] <jphillip> depends what you are trying to accomplish
[20:30] <saxomophone> pvr
[20:30] <saxomophone> where it says the 1394 is unavailable is in a page in the diagnostic about copy protection.
[20:31] <saxomophone> but the other outputs just say none, except hdmi which says hdcp
[20:31] <saxomophone> so i guess that means the port on the box must be off.
[20:31] <jphillip> so it says available now?
[20:31] <saxomophone> Will the cable company do anything if I call do you think?
[20:31] <saxomophone> no
[20:31] <saxomophone> it says unavailable
[20:31] <saxomophone> for copy protection on the 1394
[20:31] <saxomophone> that's the only place i see anything about the 1394
[20:32] <jphillip> by law yes they have to provide you with firewire access to your local OTA channels
[20:32] <jphillip> search for firewire on wiki.mythtv.org
[20:32] <jphillip> there is a blurb there you can read back to them if they give you a hard time
[20:32] <saxomophone> kk
[20:32] <jphillip> might want to ask for a manager if they give you a hard time too, as the person you talk to most likely will not even know what firewire is
[20:32] <saxomophone> the box is currently tuned to a loca ota channel
[20:32] <saxomophone> lol
[20:32] <saxomophone> okay
[20:32] <jphillip> but in reality few companies care about firewire or fcc mandatings it
[20:33] <saxomophone> gotcha
[20:33] <saxomophone> i have cablevision if that means anything to you
[20:33] <jphillip> I've heard that some will enable that for you remotely, but there are some that will flat out lie to you and say they can't or some other excuse
[20:33] <jphillip> nope, comcast here
[20:33] <jphillip> they suck equally, but at least I'm able to get some stuff from my firewire
[20:34] <saxomophone> so if they won't enable the firewire, what are my best hardware options to use mythbuntu as a pvr
[20:35] <saxomophone> is there a pci card that will record off component inputs, or hdmi?
[20:36] <jphillip> hauppauge hdpvr (model 1212) is rumored to have linux drivers very shortly
[20:37] <jphillip> other than that a HD Homerun can do OTA and unencrpyted QAM
[20:37] <saxomophone> kk
[20:37] <jphillip> you could always switch cable companies???
[20:37] <saxomophone> then i lose the best internet in the area
[20:37] <jphillip> or look up numbers for execs for your cable company and call them up
[20:38] <jphillip> it all depends how much you want to fight for the rights that you deserve
[20:38] <saxomophone> no other cable options here, just satellite
[20:38] <jphillip> in the end it could end up being OTA channels only anyways, with the HDHR will get you
[20:38] <jphillip> s/with/witch/
[20:38] <jphillip> which even
[20:40] <foxbuntu> jphillip, actually to be fair the cable co's only have to provide the local HD channels that can be accessed OTA via their cable service unencrypted, the firewire and premium channels are not required and most cable co's lock them out
[20:41] <foxbuntu> I personally use the HDHR to record off the QAM access from my cable co for my local HD content
[20:42] <saxomophone> yeah, when tuned to a local hd channel that i should be able to recieve ota, all 1394 related stuff is "unavailable"
[20:43] <saxomophone> so is there any hardware that will record all the channels you have available?
[20:43] <saxomophone> or do you have to just give in a pay for the dvr
[20:45] <jphillip> foxbuntu they are required to provide you those same channels over firewire as well
[20:46] <foxbuntu> jphillip, not required "urged"
[20:46] <jphillip> I'm pretty sure its a fcc mandate
[20:48] <jphillip> (i) Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace anyleased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional.
[20:50] <jphillip> saxomophone HDHR or HD-PVR like I said before
[20:55] <saxomophone> jphillip thank you
[20:55] <saxomophone> i'm going to try calling the cable company now
[20:55] <jphillip> saxomophone good luck
[20:56] <jphillip> if you need any advice on the HDHR or HDPRV just ask, HDPVR drivers aren't available yet but a lot of people use HDHRs
[21:00] <foxbuntu> jphillip, the law reads that they are required to provide a functional IEEE 1394 interface but it does not state that they are required to provide a functional video stream from that interface
[21:04] <jphillip> I thought that the same OTA stream law applied to firewire
[21:05] <jphillip> either way if all they give you is the OTA stream then you might as well get a HDHR and not mess with firewire
[21:05] <braniff> has anyone tried to upgrade php on their 8.04 mythbuntu install ? i upgraded with apt and now mythweb is hosed
[21:06] <jphillip> braniff how old is this php upgrade?
[21:06] <braniff> a few hours old
[21:07] <jphillip> what version of php, 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1 ?
[21:08] <braniff> 5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1
[21:09] <braniff> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=652380  <-- this is the problem i had with the upgrade
[21:09] <braniff> though not my post
[21:11] <braniff> i've been trying to fix that problem for four hours
[21:11]  * braniff is clueless about apache/php but not about linux
[21:13] <jphillip> did you try to enable php modules like it says in that post?
[21:13] <braniff> yes: [warn] module php5_module is already loaded, skipping
[21:14] <braniff> now apache serves up php as text file without executing it
[21:14] <saxomophone> bastards disconnected me
[21:15] <jphillip> can you verify other php pages work or don't work?
[21:15] <saxomophone> do they have some kind of "if customer calls asking about firewire, hang up on them" policy
[21:15] <jphillip> saxomophone they have an "if customer calls about *, hang up on them" policy
[21:16] <braniff> i have no other php apps installed
[21:16] <jphillip> have you tried restarting apache since the upgrade?
[21:16]  * jphillip is trying to think of the easiest fixes
[21:16] <braniff> probably restarted it about 30 times
[21:17] <jphillip> I'd purge mythweb and reinstall it then
[21:17] <jphillip> possibly do the same with php
[21:17] <braniff> when i do that, apt wants to uninstall all mythtv apps due to dependencies
[21:17] <jphillip> serving up them as txt sounds like its an apache config issue
[21:18] <braniff> i want to just reinstall the mythbuntu box, but i get a warm fuzzy feeling of computer security by running the latest php
[21:19] <braniff> i want to expose mythweb to the internet somehow to control mythweb using my blackberry
[21:19]  * kees doubts that "latest" really helps.  ;)
[21:19] <kees> braniff: just basicauth protect it?
[21:20] <jphillip> for mythweb?
[21:20] <braniff> i'd like to SSL to it or something
[21:20] <kees> braniff: yeah, that'd be even better.
[21:20] <jphillip> are you sure you did mythweb and not mythtv?
[21:21] <braniff> yes
[21:21] <jphillip> braniff I'd put some authentication on it and maybe run it on an alternate port
[21:22] <braniff> apt-get remove --purge php* apache* mythweb*
[21:22] <braniff> i'd really like to port-knock with the blackberry or vpn with it, but j2me is limited in its api
[21:22] <jphillip> don't do apache
[21:22] <jphillip> just start with mythweb
[21:23] <jphillip> see if that fixes it then deal with more from there
[21:23] <jphillip> do dpkg -l |grep php and pastebin that
[21:24] <jphillip> I'm wondering if youa re missing libapache2-mod-php5
[21:25] <braniff> that's in dpkg -l
[21:26] <braniff> i have reinstalled just mythweb now and am getting an apache error
[21:26] <braniff> the same one i had before
[21:26]  * braniff hosed his apache install
[21:28] <jphillip> odd, I don't have a /var/www/mythweb/.htaccess file
[21:28] <jphillip> did you put that there yourself?
[21:29] <jphillip> mythweb does digest encryption anymore
[21:29] <jphillip> stores that stuff in your config instead
[21:30] <braniff> i followed an *old* mythweb howto that told me to put .htaccess
[21:30] <jphillip> remove/backups/move that and see if it helps
[21:31] <jphillip> you should be able to enable a username/password for mythweb through MCC
[21:32] <jphillip> I gotta run, I'll check back in a bit to see if that helped
[21:32] <braniff> thanks for the help
[21:33] <braniff> reinstallation is the lesser of 2 evils though at this point
[21:37] <szakulec> QDVDauthor is pretty awesome
[21:40] <saxomophone> well, no luck from the cable company.
[21:52] <saxomophone> here's a pastebin of my mythprime output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17695/
[22:11] <ffm> Is it possible to install mythbuntu via the mini.iso?
[22:16] <sabhain> ffm .. yes.  Just got done doing that for my front ends .. works like a champ
[22:17] <sabhain> I have 2 pseudo diskless front ends that I wanted to function as standalone .. but use an NFS share as the root, and did the mini-iso install several times .. goes ok.
[22:27] <sabhain> the only real hurdle I had was the US mirror timing out.  In the mini iso cli install you can't control the specific mirror, only a country .. the us would time out .. ended up with success w/ the Mexican one
[22:34] <ffm> sabhain: yeah, you can!
[22:34] <ffm> sabhain: press pageup until you get to "manually enter mirror"
[22:34]  * ffm is using mit atm
[22:41] <ffm> Can I reuse a mini.iso from an older 'buntu release?
[22:41] <Sypher|NL> is the included non-opensource driver for nvidia, included in MythBuntu, XvMC capable?
[22:47] <rhpot1991> Sypher|NL: yes it should be
[22:47] <rhpot1991> been a while since I used it though
[23:00] <sabhain> ffm .. didn't know that .. oh well .. already done with that
[23:00] <sabhain> I pulled the mini.iso from the current released version ..  I didn't do the full.  I did an apt-get install mythbuntu-desktop after the mini install was done .. then it went out and grabbed just that system.  I'm pretty sure you could do an ubuntu-desktop instead.
[23:23] <ffm> sabhain: ah...
[23:23] <sabhain> gotta run .. but good luck .. I think you'll find that it works pretty well, though I don't know what to tell you about the alpha ..
[23:25] <ffm> sabhain: seems to be wrorking ok.
[23:27] <sabhain> hope so.


[12:05] <flor> hello, tunderbird does not start properly. there is a post saysing its already running but in the system monitor there isn't any thunderbird listed, and killall does not help either. what's wrong and how do i get it running again?
[12:06] <flor> "post..." "message", I mean.
[12:12] <flor> solved it by myself.
[12:12] <flor> I had the folder renamed where my mail is stored
[12:12] <flor> byebye
[16:06] <fta> micahg, here it is: linux/stable (9.0.597.107 -> 10.0.648.127)
[16:06] <fta> i'm on it
[16:07] <micahg> fta: great, thanks
[16:22] <fta> micahg, gasp, may take longer than expected. I have a problem on my lan. corrupted packets when I generate too much traffic
[16:22] <micahg> fta: no worries, whenever you're ready
[16:23] <fta> i'm more annoyed than worried ;)
[16:24] <fta> bzr export chromium-browser-964/translations-export lp:~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations-exports.head
[16:24] <fta> Corrupted MAC on input.
[16:24] <fta> Disconnecting: Packet corrupt
[16:24] <fta> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[16:36] <dpm> hi chrisccoulson, have you got a minute to help me with something? I'm trying to find out why the firefox template in LP is apparently out of date. Did you do any disabling of the en_US.xpi template creation recently?
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> dpm - no, that should still be running ok
[16:38] <dpm> chrisccoulson, it seems that the last update was on the 22nd Feb. So if you haven't disabled it, I'll go and check with the LP people.
[16:38] <dpm> thanks
[18:34] <fta> micahg, bug 731520
[18:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 731520 in chromium-browser "9.0.597.107 -> 10.0.648.127" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731520
[18:58] <BUGabundo> evening
[18:59] <micahg> fta: ACK
[19:29] <micahg> fta: with this release, we have to push libvpx 0.95, right?
[19:32] <fta> micahg, right, i will bump the build-deps for the lucid & maverick ports
[19:32] <fta> didn't do it in natty, not needed
[20:34] <fta> micahg, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/10.0.648.127~r76697/
[20:34] <fta> jdstrand, ^^
[20:34] <micahg> fta: thanks
[20:35] <fta> i don't know who's taking care of the system webkit, but good luck
[20:35] <jdstrand> fta: thanks, micahg will be handling it (and webkit)
[20:37] <fta> jdstrand, micahg: i reviewed and sorted the security bugs by projects, i guess we need them all fixed too
[20:37] <fta> if not already done
[20:37] <fta> impossible for me to match the USNs
[20:38] <micahg> fta: well, libv8 is in universe, but ffmpeg and libxslt are in main
[20:39] <micahg> fta: thanks, I'll try to coordinate updates for the others
[20:41] <jdstrand> micahg: we should probably be treating libv8 like we do chromium... ie, it should get updates
[20:41] <micahg> jdstrand: I think chromium uses an internal copy
[20:41]  * jdstrand wasn't sure it still was
[20:41] <jdstrand> or rather, moved to that
[20:42] <jdstrand> I thought it was a dep on chromium
[20:42] <micahg> jdstrand: yep, internal, vpx is system though
[20:42] <jdstrand> I might have been thinking of vpx
[21:20] <fta> is planet ubuntu broken? no updates in hours
[21:22] <BUGabundo> everyone is in carnival :P
[21:36] <fta> BUGabundo, no, I have one of my posts missing ;)
[22:11] <fta> jcastro, is planet ubuntu stuck?
[22:16] <jcastro> did you post something?
[22:16] <jcastro> I think the cron is like 15 minutes?
[22:19] <fta> jcastro, yep, hours ago
[22:20] <fta> jcastro, 4h+ ago
[23:02] <fta> micahg, i used "Fix Committed" as it's committed in the release branches
[23:18] <micahg> fta: ok, I just still have to review the packages before I upload, that's why I changed it


[01:09] <duflu> RAOF: In case you didn't notice, this is yours now :)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1553549
[01:09] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1553549 in unity-system-compositor (Ubuntu) "unity-system-compositor crashed with SIGSEGV in get_adjusted_ptr(), when proprietary Nvidia drivers are installed" [High,Confirmed]
[01:13] <RAOF> Indeed I noticed.
[11:00] <suebt> greyback: Just got everything setup and ran gdb again. Unfortunately, there's no useful output :| (at least I think there is no): http://paste.ubuntu.com/15558754/
[11:01] <greyback> suebt: libc6-dbg installed?
[11:02] <greyback> but address at frame 2 does look weird
[11:02] <suebt> greyback: oh no, forget I reflashed it so no... will do, sorry
[11:03] <suebt> s/forget/forgot
[11:03] <suebt> Do I have to run it from inside the ch thing?
[11:04] <greyback> suebt: this is where you need to take care. The chroot is ideal for building code, since you can install all the dependencies without filling up your phone's root filesystem
[11:05] <greyback> but running code inside chroot is less convenient, as it can get in the way. Example, you may not be able to connect to mir, which lives outside the chroot, while you are inside the chroot
[11:06] <greyback> so usually I build my stuff in the chroot, then copy/install the built bits into the root filesystem. And then I test outside the chroot
[11:06] <suebt> greyback: Ah, allright okay. But how does the system know that I installed the debug packages in the chroot oO Is a reboot required?
[11:06] <greyback> which means, you need the dbg symbols outside the chroot too
[11:07] <greyback> suebt: gdb is configured to look for dbg packages in /usr/lib/dbg. As you're inside the chroot, it will not see the dbg packages outside your chroot
[11:07] <suebt> oh :| So how can I get them in the rootfs?
[11:08] <suebt> or can I tell gdb that I have dbg packages in the chroot?
[11:08] <greyback> suebt: the usual: apt-get install libc6-dbg
[11:08] <greyback> suebt: you can, using the "dir" or directory command
[11:08] <greyback> but I think you'd be safer just installing dbg packages on the rootfs
[11:09] <suebt> Huh, okay … but then I will be running out of space again, won't I?
[11:10] <greyback> suebt: that's a danger, yes. But by not having the build packages installed too (instead having them in chroot), you've made that less likely
[11:11] <greyback> usually I can manage to install about 300MB of debug packages before I hit that issue
[11:12] <suebt> Okay, so I installed libc6 to the rootfs. The same with the mir debug package?
[11:12] <suebt> s/libc6/libc6-dbg
[11:13] <greyback> suebt: well, try gdb again, see if you get more detail in your stacktrace
[11:14] <greyback> if you do, but it stops at something from the  "mirclient" library, then install the mirclient dbg package, and try again
[11:14] <greyback> it's a bit iterative
[11:17] <suebt> ok, thanks for your help. Let me try.
[11:23] <suebt> greyback: okay, here's the lock with libc6-dbg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15558852/
[11:28] <greyback> suebt: hmm, no improvement. I would try installing the mirclient dbg, just in case.
[11:29] <greyback> but frame 2 has a weird address. Hope something isn't smashing the stack
[11:30] <suebt> greyback: so I'll enable the overlay ppa as I did for the chroot and install it?
[11:30] <greyback> suebt: yep
[11:30] <suebt> greyback ok..
[11:32] <greyback> lots of work, eh? :)
[11:33] <suebt> hah, I'm just bagging it won' t fill up my rootfs again xD
[11:36] <suebt> greyback: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15558908/
[11:36] <suebt> meh /0\
[11:36] <greyback> :(
[11:36] <suebt> greyback: What could be the root for this? Could it be a mir problem at all?
[11:37] <suebt> or is it more likly a problem with my libraries
[11:37] <greyback> suebt: it's impossible to say with this information. Something between mir & SDL
[11:37] <anpok> sdl dynamically loads mirclient
[11:38] <suebt> greyback: Is there anything I could do now?
[11:38] <greyback> suebt: all I can recommend is ensuring you're using the most recent pull of the sdl libraries - I know the mir support was changing a lot recently
[11:39] <greyback> suebt: and bschaefer would be the best guy to ask (he based on west coast US, usually online 8+ hours from now)
[11:39] <suebt> Hmm … okay. Actually it used to segfault because of missing/obsolete SDL libs before. But then I did the custom build and it no longer segfaulted. Instead I got the message that sdl is missing libsndio.
[11:40] <suebt> Only after including this lib, this segfault we're taling about is happening.
[11:40] <suebt> Not sure if that info is relevant
[11:40] <suebt> okay
[11:41] <greyback> yeah sorry, I'm not the expert on SDL
[11:42] <suebt> me even less :D thanks for all your help anyway!
[11:42] <greyback> I wish you luck. Thanks for the digging. I hope you learned something anyway
[11:42] <anpok> suebt: can you point me to the source code version of libsdl that you are using?
[11:43] <suebt> greyback: yes! I know now how to install debug packages, have a nice chroot where I can build stuff ... it's great! Thanks so much :)
[11:43] <suebt> anpok: yeah sure
[11:44] <suebt> https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-sdl2-gles2-template I was using this to build my sdl libraries. This is known to work on the phone, that's why I was choosing it.
[11:45] <suebt> Not sure if it would help, but I can upload the stuff I have. At least the python stuff seems to be working :)
[11:46] <suebt> anpok: Or is a newer version required and I'm wrong?
[11:46] <slvn_> suebt,  . ... just reading, I can help if you want to build sdl2 for ubuntu device
[11:47] <slvn_> (just sum up your question again ...)
[11:48] <anpok> ok
[11:48] <suebt> hi slvn_, I building seems to have worked but the problem above started when I included libsndio which sdl was claiming for. Do you have an idea what could be wrong with that?
[11:48] <anpok> hm the sdl archive contains code that loads mir_connection_create_surface_sync
[11:48] <slvn_> not sure that sdl claims libsndio  ?!
[11:48] <slvn_> is it SDL2 ? not SDL.1.2 ?
[11:49] <anpok> and I believe that one only part of libmirclient8 and no longer part of libmirclient9
[11:49] <anpok> SDL2
[11:49] <slvn_> ok
[11:49] <suebt> one moment, slvn_
[11:50] <suebt> slvn_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15558973/
[11:50] <suebt> ^ that's what happens without it. FYI: it's about trying to get kivy (https://kivy.org) running.
[11:52] <slvn_> yep, but kivy is not sdl2 ...   I have check SDL2 source and there is actually some part about libsndio
[11:53] <suebt> okay, I thought it was sdl2 cause of the "sdl2 - ImportError" ...
[11:54] <slvn_>  probably it is. since SDL2 contains some code that use libsndio
[11:54] <slvn_> in "configure" there are some reference to libsndio
[11:55] <slvn_> but, I have checked my partial chroot and I have no libsndio installed
[11:56] <slvn_> "find . | grep libsnd"  > ./partial-armhf-chroot/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libsndfile.so.1
[11:56] <slvn_> don't know wether libsndfile is different of libsndio ...
[11:57] <suebt> I haven't seen other apps shipping libsndio as well. Dunno why kivy wants that for sdl2...
[11:58] <slvn_> does kivy provides SDL2 libs for ubuntu device ? do you recompile your self ? do you actually need the libsndio ?
[12:00] <suebt> No, it doesn't provide SDL libs for the phone, I compiled them myself. I want to get kivy running, I'm not sure whether libsndio is neccessary, all I know is that it claims for it when I don't have it and that I receive a segfault when I include it :/
[12:05] <slvn_> SDL2 can look for various audio back-end and pick the available one. According to the "configure --help", libsndio is set as "default == yes". ...
[12:06] <slvn_> from my chroot which is a few month old
[12:06] <slvn_> Audio drivers   : disk dummy oss alsa(dynamic) pulse(dynamic) nas(dynamic)
[12:07] <slvn_> "checking sndio.h usability... no"
[12:07] <slvn_> my SDL2 on ubuntu device has no libsndio I guess
[12:08] <slvn_> I think this is *kivy* which try to load libsndio
[12:08] <slvn_> "ImportError: libsndio"
[12:08] <slvn_> this is python, not sdl2 ?
[12:08] <slvn_> maybe ask the channel #SDL2  ?
[12:09] <slvn_> maybe ask the channel #SDL ?
[12:13] <suebt> So, according to the kivy devs it's SDL2 xD Can you show me how you built it withoud sndio?
[12:16] <slvn_> suebt, this is my configure line http://paste.ubuntu.com/15559095/
[12:17] <slvn_> and the sum up http://paste.ubuntu.com/15559098/
[12:18] <slvn_> I think the audio back end is pulse, because  I remember having some issue with it ...
[12:31] <suebt> slvn_ hhmmm, this configuration is a bit different to what I used ...
[12:32] <slvn_> suebt, for instance ?
[12:33] <suebt> --enable-mir-shared --enable-video-mir instead of  --disable-mir-shared
[12:33] <suebt> not sure if that makes a difference tho
[12:33] <slvn_> should not matter, this is not related to libsndio
[12:33] <suebt> yes...
[12:34] <slvn_> I mean "configure script" won't find libsndio with the default chroot I guess
[12:34] <slvn_> so SDL2 shouldn't not even try to load lib sdl2 ..
[12:34] <slvn_> libsndio
[12:34] <suebt> yeah ...
[12:36] <slvn_> what is the output of the configure script ? "audio driver ..."
[12:41] <suebt> Audio drivers   : disk dummy oss
[12:41] <suebt> Video drivers   : dummy opengl_es2 mir
[12:41] <suebt> Input drivers   : linuxev linuxkd
[12:41] <suebt> Using libudev   : YES
[12:41] <suebt> Using dbus      : YES
[12:41] <suebt> Using ibus      : NO
[12:41] <suebt> What I'm just wondering, kivy wants libSDL2_image, libSDL2_ttf and LibSDL2_mixer as well.
[12:41] <suebt> Might it be that those require libsndio?
[12:43] <slvn_> no,
[12:43] <slvn_> but I have found your issue
[12:44] <slvn_> you need more dependencies in your chroot
[12:44] <slvn_> in your script "setup-partial-armhf-chroot.sh"
[12:44] <slvn_> you need to add some dependencie :
[12:44] <slvn_> builddeps+=" libfreetype6-dev libfreetype6 libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev"
[12:44] <slvn_> builddeps+=" libpulse-dev libpulse0
[12:45] <slvn_> this is probably the reason for I have a different line "Audio drivers"
[12:48] <suebt> slvn_: Sorry, what script are you talking about?
[12:50] <slvn_> suebt,  I prepare my partial chroot to compile, with a script from mir.  Maybe you did it another way.
[12:50] <slvn_> Anyway, you need to have the previous packages installed
[12:50] <slvn_> so that the "configuration" of SDL2 is done correctly
[12:51] <suebt> Ah ok :) Would you mind sharing your script?
[12:54] <slvn_> suebt,  there was a little tutorial + files there : https://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2805
[12:54] <ubot5`> bugzilla.libsdl.org bug 2805 in *don't know* "resources to build SDL libs on ARM Ubuntu touch" [Normal,New]
[12:54] <slvn_> I will update it
[12:56] <bregma> just out of curiosity, why are you guys trying to build libSDL instead of using the pre-built binaries available in Ubuntu Touch?
[12:56] <suebt> slvn_ nice, thanks
[12:57] <suebt> bregma: I tried those too. There is the same problem with sndio ...
[12:59] <slvn_> suebt, I have updated the previous ticket ..
[13:01] <slvn_> bregma, when I was compiling SDL2 there was no pre-built binaries available for ubuntu touch .. I also have a couple of minor patches  ..
[13:01] <suebt> slvn_: thanks I'll try it again with your scripts
[13:01] <slvn_> the tutorial is from 2014-12-06 ...
[13:03] <slvn_> you may have an issue with the "fullscreen" mode, because the status bar is still there ...
[13:03] <slvn_> you need to add "MIR_mir_surface_spec_set_state(spec, mir_surface_state_fullscreen);"  after "MIR_mir_surface_spec_set_name(spec, "Mir surface");" in the file "src/video/mir/SDL_mirwindow.c"
[13:04] <bregma> slvn_, ah, right, it was supposed to be available but I guess someone (me) didn't follow through -- it is available in the PPA https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/ubuntu/staging but I think bschaefer needs to update that, too
[13:05] <bregma> I'll see if I can poke him to make sure it's up-to-date and available somewhere
[13:05] <suebt> slvn_: hah, I'd be happy if I would get this thing running at all /0\
[13:05] <bregma> he'll be online in a couple of hours
[13:07] <bregma> he's the guy who maintains the Mir port
[13:08] <slvn_> I found the issue .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1519338
[13:08] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1519338 in QtMir "API "mir_surface_apply_spec" is not supported in qtmir/u8 " [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:09] <slvn_> I have to go away, I be back in 1 hour.++
[15:10] <bschaefer> suebt, hey, soo hmm not really sure why that library would cause you issue, you're trying to run a program from the command line for unity8?
[15:10] <bschaefer> or do you have your own mir server running?
[15:10] <bschaefer> as otherwise you'll get blocked, since you should have a *.desktop file in order to run on U8
[15:11] <suebt> Hey bschaefer, I'm running on the phone!
[15:12] <bschaefer> suebt, right, but you're trying to run the application from the command line for U8?
[15:12] <suebt> Yes.
[15:12] <bschaefer> you need a *.desktop file in order to be approved to run on unity8
[15:13] <bschaefer> otherwise you'll be blocked and strange things can happen (ie. no window can be created)
[15:13] <bschaefer> [CRITICAL          ] [Window      ] Unable to find any valuable Window provider at all!
[15:13] <bschaefer> that seems like the main error to me
[15:13] <suebt> Oh kay, that would be a very simple solution for this problem.
[15:13] <bschaefer> hopefully it is the solution :)
[15:13] <suebt> How can I archieve this?
[15:13] <suebt> I mean how do I set the desktop file path when running it?
[15:14] <bschaefer> suebt, i usually copy the webbrowser-app.desktop
[15:14] <bschaefer> in /usr/share/applications
[15:14] <bschaefer> and change the exec path to the path of my binary
[15:14] <bschaefer> or a script file
[15:14] <suebt> Okay, so I should just start it via the launcher.
[15:14] <bschaefer> suebt, the other thing you might want to include is SDL_VIDEODRIVER=mir
[15:15] <bschaefer> suebt, yes! Or in the dash
[15:15] <bschaefer> once you get a new *.desktop file up, just search for the name you set in Name=
[15:15] <suebt> Okay, I'll try both, thanks!
[15:15] <bschaefer> let me know!
[15:15] <suebt> sure :)
[15:20] <bregma> put your custom .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications
[15:21] <bregma> use the "env" command in the Exec= line to set environment variable when running
[15:21] <bschaefer> suebt, bregma knows best ^
[15:21] <bregma> if you do not launch using a .desktop file, the Unity 8 Mir server will reject the connection (this prevents thinks like keylogging attacks)
[15:23] <bregma> if you want to launch from the command line instead of the Dash, you will still need a .desktop file and pass it to the ubuntu-app-launch tool
[15:23] <suebt> okay, thank you bregma, bschaefer, I'm trying...
[15:23] <suebt> I now have the Exec line "Exec=env KIVY_WINDOW=sdl2 SDL_VIDEODRIVER=mir /home/phablet/Documents/mainv3/main".
[15:24] <suebt> It hangs on the startup splash screen. How can I read command line output when starting the app from the dash?
[15:24] <bschaefer> IIRC the sys log will let you know if its rejected and you can look in ~/.cache/upstart/<desktop_file_name_log> for more info
[15:24] <bschaefer> suebt, check ~/.cache/upstart/ and the name of the desktop file
[15:25] <bschaefer> like legacy application <desktop file name> something like that
[15:26] <suebt> Ah, thanks bschaefer. Okay, hmm ... the kivy environment variable didn't work this time, was my exec line correct?
[15:27] <bschaefer> suebt, i usually just make the Exec line point to a *.sh file :)
[15:27] <suebt> will do :)
[15:27] <bschaefer> just a simple bash script that exports the env
[15:27] <bschaefer> then execs your app
[15:32] <suebt> /home/phablet/Documents/mainv3/start.sh: 3: ./main: not found
[15:32] <suebt> hmm, it won't find my executable from within that script oO
[15:32] <bschaefer> well sounds like the path is off :)
[15:33] <suebt> it doesn't work with the absolute path as well -.-
[15:34]  * bschaefer isnt sure though
[15:34] <bschaefer> suebt, best bet is to just do exec <full/path/to/main>
[15:35]  * bschaefer internet died
[15:35] <bschaefer> suebt, umm you saw the part about full path to main?
[15:35] <suebt> yep, thx, one moment
[15:37] <suebt> bschaefer: All right, it "works" now (the path is right now), but it crashes with the same error as before: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15560297/
[15:37] <bschaefer> well : [CRITICAL          ] [Window      ] Unable to find any valuable Window provider at all!
[15:37] <bschaefer> isnt a good sign :)
[15:38] <suebt> yeah :/
[15:45]  * bschaefer seems to keep having internet issues
[15:45]  * bschaefer writes a simple SDL2 app
[15:55] <bschaefer> suebt, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15560412/
[15:55] <bschaefer> if you can cross compile that for ubuntu touch
[15:55] <bschaefer> then test that works
[15:55] <bschaefer> for Mir
[15:55] <bschaefer> on U8
[15:56] <suebt> Allright, will try bschaefer
[15:56] <bschaefer> opps, replace ... that third error with failed to create renderer :)
[15:56] <suebt> ok
[16:02] <suebt> meh, my chroot seems broken, trying to install libsdl2-dev to it, "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages."
[16:03] <bschaefer> :(
[16:03] <suebt> let me create a new one
[16:05] <suebt> need to go off now, I let the sdk create a new chroot and will try it as soon as I'm back.
[16:05] <suebt> s/let/currently letting
[16:07] <bschaefer> suebt, ill be around!
[16:08] <suebt> great :) I'll have some pizza see you in 1-2h
[18:49] <suebt> hey, I'm back, having some trouble though
[18:50] <suebt> Can't I install libsdl2-dev to my click chroot? It still doesn't works ...
[18:52] <bschaefer> :(
[18:52] <suebt> How do you do this?
[18:52]  * bschaefer isnt to good with clicks... i usually just use a pbuilder
[18:52] <bschaefer> slvn_, posted this earlier: https://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2805
[18:52] <ubot5`> bugzilla.libsdl.org bug 2805 in *don't know* "resources to build SDL libs on ARM Ubuntu touch" [Normal,New]
[18:52] <suebt> Okay, let me try with the includes from the source code-
[18:52]  * bschaefer isnt 100% how helpful that is
[18:53] <suebt> c++ noob question how do I tell the compiler where it finds additional includes?
[18:54] <bschaefer> -I
[18:54] <bschaefer> -I/path/to/includes
[18:54] <suebt> ah right, thx
[18:55] <slvn_> suebt,  the scripts from the SDL2 ticked should work pretty fine ... I spent hours to update them in order to make minimal user action
[18:55] <bschaefer> np
[18:56] <suebt> slvn_ I tried it but it failed for me :| it was missing something, I gave up in the end :/
[18:58] <slvn_> well I use it, and got +10 apps published ... if you report the error I may help you ... though it should be better to use the official package ..
[19:05] <suebt> let me try again.
[19:19] <suebt> slvn_ it says: "gpg-error, gpg could not been executed (is it installed?)" (translated)
[19:21] <suebt> *gpgv http://paste.ubuntu.com/15562381/
[19:36] <slvn_> suebt,   "sudo apt-get install gpgv"  ?!
[19:36] <slvn_> you need to install this tool ..


 I was having problems coping with that 0% uptime on my system so I found a cool command line utility that gives detaile information about the server
 it's called "glances"  you can  … "sudo apt install glances" … then just run with … "glances" … it's pretty neat.  Although there most certainly must be a way to turn down it's CPU usage :O
 ubuntu 18.04 sips CPU utilization!
 @AdamOutler - https://kmyers.me/blog/chromeos/linux-apps-appears-in-chromeos-settings-menu-and-several-major-changes/
 https://www.androidauthority.com/google-now-launcher-gone-861326/
 @AdamOutler what issue were you having with cpu usage on your Ubuntu machine? I'm currently using vmware workstation pro running 6 heavy vms and my ram usage shows untouched and cpu usage is pretty idle. It's odd. The ram may be because of page sharing
 Glances is amazing though. Neat find.   I expect 0.02-3.  this means we need more detailed /proc/loadavg which is where uptime gets it's info.
 There is no way the server can have 0% utilization.
 It needs more decimals or loadavg is not taking into account system processes.


[18:15] <holstein> *due to the holidays, the ubuntustudio meeting scheduled for 15 minutes ago will be cancelled
[18:16] <shnatsel> lol
[18:16] <shnatsel> is it going to be re-scheduled?
[18:17] <shnatsel> holidays actually explain why I got no response in -dev mailing list and why it's so quiet
[18:30] <holstein> shnatsel: we could reschedule
[18:30] <holstein> are you here for the ubuntustudio meeting?
[18:31] <shnatsel> holstein: yes
[18:31] <shnatsel> holstein: I got no response on the mailing list so I came here
[18:31] <shnatsel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2011-June/003391.html
[18:32] <StevenR> that would explain the fireworks earlier
[18:32] <StevenR> (actual fireworks that I could hear from my house)
[18:33] <holstein> hehe
[18:33] <holstein> shnatsel: would you join #ubuntustudio-devel ??
[18:33] <shnatsel> holstein: np


[07:05] <davidcalle> Good morning o/
[08:02] <popey> morning
[08:02] <popey> I love waking up to new core apps contributions \o/
[08:02] <popey> especially ones that fix bugs I reported
[08:02] <popey> \o/
[08:28] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:29] <popey> Word.
[08:29] <czajkowski> how is everyone this lovely friday morning
[08:29] <popey> GREAT!
[08:32] <nigelb> trying to recover from a terrible cold that's morphing into a flu
[08:32] <czajkowski> popey: Excellent!
[08:33] <czajkowski> nigelb: less goood
[08:38] <nigelb> czajkowski: How're you doing? :)
[08:39] <czajkowski> good thanks
[08:39] <czajkowski> busy with work and now planning a wedding
[08:39] <czajkowski> set a date so now happy out in planning mode
[08:42] <popey> ooh, when is the date?
[08:44] <czajkowski> 2016 april 23rd
[08:52] <popey> 2 days after LTS release :)
[08:54] <popey> hah, also. St Georges day.
[09:03] <czajkowski> :D
[09:04] <popey> I'll come over dressed in one of these http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0234/5963/products/os_mr-jack_white-background_front-2_0ad74adf-579e-45c2-b120-98a46b14891a.jpg?v=1428689123
[09:04] <popey> :)
[09:04] <popey> Cultural sensitivity at its best.
[09:14] <czajkowski> popey: half the guest list is from UK
[09:14] <czajkowski> I'm sure you'll blend in
[09:20] <popey> :)
[12:48] <balloons> happy friday everyone!
[12:49] <popey> Ya!
[14:59] <philipballew> dpm Do you know where to find Spanish flyers or handouts for Ubuntu? Spreadubuntu seems to be somewhat thin.
[15:17] <dpm> hi philipballew, I don't know, sorry
[15:17] <dpm> philipballew, IIRC jose did translations into Spanish of our app dev schools presentations, you might want to ask him
[15:18] <philipballew> dpm, alright, I'll do that. Thanks man!
[15:18] <dpm> np ;)
[19:12] <jcastro> hey pleia2
[19:12] <jcastro> https://insights.ubuntu.com/event/big-data-mine-and-mingle/
[19:12] <jcastro> just posted this to the california list


[19:37] <Proksima> I have a script that dynamically populate fstab. Is "start on starting mountall" the right anchor if I want it to complete before mountall starts?
[20:33] <JanC> if it's defined as a task, yes
[20:34] <Proksima> Good, thanks ! :)