[00:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> edubuntu peoples: has edubuntu gone to the 'ubuntu addon' for 8.04?
[00:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, morning mate (didnt spot you before)
[00:22] <LaserJock> hi
[00:23] <LaserJock> Edubuntu 8.04 is shipping an Ubuntu Educational Addon CD
[00:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> so the 'installing edubuntu standalone' page that i'm looking at is probably incorrect?
[00:25] <LaserJock> yep
[00:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[00:26]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes to burn ubuntu with the edu expantion pack cds
[00:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleh. after downloading them :|
[00:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> kgoetz, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/8.04/alpha-6/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/alpha-6/
[00:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs
[00:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> LaserJock, is someone rewriting it?
[00:35] <LaserJock> not that I know
[00:35] <LaserJock> of
[00:35] <LaserJock> the Handbook either
[00:38] <pygi> heh, nobody ever wanted to do that
[00:38] <pygi> I wish our old team was here :-/
[00:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm off to somewhere with a faster internet connection so i can download the edu addon cd. i'll be back as kgoetz in about an hour probably
[00:39] <pygi> enjoy Kamping_Kaiser
[00:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i'll look at doing some reworking (after not using docbook for two years...heh)
[00:40] <subsume> .
[00:41] <subsume> I just messed up my edubuntu lab's internet connection. only server will connect. can someone please help?
[00:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> subsume, flushed iptables, and reenable routing?
[00:42] <subsume> Kamping_Kaiser never done that.... could you please advise?
[00:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> subsume, iptables -F and echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[00:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> however, i'm heading off
[00:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell subsume about private message
[00:44] <subsume> Kamping_Kaiser -- I know about priv messages I'm just using an unfamil irc client. =)
[00:47] <subsume> Kamping_Kaiser -- I did both of those things on the server machine and nothing is different
[00:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> subsume, check your switches/cabling
[00:48]  * Kamping_Kaiser has to go for a bit
[00:51] <subsume> Kamping_Kaiser -- I really don't think its that. I see a new message relating to 'portmap' when the server starts up. could that be it?
[00:55] <subsume> Screwed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice?
[00:58] <subsume> Screwed up my edubuntu clients internet connection. I think it has something to do with server portmap. Any advice?
[00:59] <pygi> don't repeat yourself, be patient
[00:59] <pygi> it's middle of the night for most of the folks here
[01:02] <subsume> I hate this fuckin room.
[01:03] <LaserJock> oookay ...
[01:08] <subsume> Can someone please help me. I dug myself into a hole--my edubuntu clients can't connect to the internet.
[01:09] <LaserJock> well, you weren't being very nice before, please don't swear
[01:09] <subsume> I thought I was in the #ubuntu room. Its such a circus in there.
[01:10] <LaserJock> k
[01:10] <subsume> Honestly I've never used bitchx to connect to IRC, this channel is always (not so full...but) full of knowledgable helpful people.
[01:11] <LaserJock> I'm not a lot of help, but perhaps give the error message
[01:11] <subsume> Anyway. I don't know what my problem is. I think it might have something to do with portmap running on the server?
[01:11] <subsume> I get a message on startup... but it scrolls to fast.
[01:11] <subsume> I flushed my iptables.
[01:15] <subsume> meh, this is impossible.
[01:15] <subsume> the debian community is so much more prevalent.
[01:16] <LaserJock> prevalent?
[01:16] <subsume> as in, when you run into something you can reliably find some pointers to working it out on IRC.
[01:16] <subsume> edubuntu is always dead and ubuntu is like an elementary school sandbox.
[01:17] <LaserJock> heh
[01:18] <LaserJock> this channel has it's active times, but is not as active as some channels for sure
[01:18] <LaserJock> you can also try #ltsp
[01:18] <LaserJock> I've gotta run
[01:18] <subsume> yepo.
[01:20] <pygi> subsume, you need to be a little bit more polite, and perhaps someone would help you
[01:20] <pygi> thanks for listening
[01:24] <kgoetz> back
[01:29] <subsume> So... any other takers?
[01:34] <pygi> hey kgoetz
[01:35] <pygi> subsume, no idea if this is related, but just read it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=599166
[01:36] <kgoetz> i'm a bit cross - the fast link at itshare is running at almost teh speed of my home connection. i assume its because of public holiday :|
[01:36] <pygi> you should probably run "sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys" anyway ...
[02:15] <subsume_> Not sure how that applies pygi  =)
[02:16] <pygi> subsume, run the ssh ltsp-update-sshkeys pls? ^_^
[02:18] <kgoetz> is there an ulternative mirror to cdimage.ubuntu.com if i want alpha-6? i'm starting to get really irate at this wait
[02:18] <subsume_> in my haste i uninstalled ltsp. need to redo.
[02:19] <subsume_> i will do that now.
[02:24] <subsume_> pygi: i ran that.
[02:40] <subsume_> hmf
[02:43] <subsume_> Can I dist-upgrade edubuntu and end up with 7.10?
[02:43] <subsume_> from 7.04
[02:44] <pygi> yup
[02:53] <subsume_> pygi: Why then does lsb_release -a still give me 7.04 after an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:04] <subsume_> Meh found a doc and its working now.
[03:34] <subsume_> Does anyone suppose a dist-upgrade of edubuntu should hang for 15 minutes on squid
[03:34] <subsume_> ?
[03:35] <kgoetz> probably squids fault
[03:36] <subsume_> what to do?
[03:36] <kgoetz> probably nothing, apart from uncleanly shut down squid
[03:36] <subsume_> but its in the middle of a dist upgrade...
[03:36] <subsume_> should I ctrlz?
[03:37] <kgoetz> so i'm clear - your upgrading squid?
[03:37] <subsume_> no. dist-upgrade of edubuntu entire.
[03:37] <kgoetz> how is squid involved in the upgrade? its on the edubuntu system?>
[03:37] <subsume_> I suppose so.
[03:38] <kgoetz> as long as your not upgrading *through* squid while you upgrade squid you would be ok to simply kill squid off
[03:38] <calimer> isn't it better just to let it run its course?
[03:38] <subsume_> I'm not sure how I can kill squid off without calling off the whole dist-upgrade...kgoetz
[03:38] <kgoetz> calimer: yes it is
[03:38] <subsume_> calimer for how many more minutes?
[03:38] <calimer> for as long as it takes
[03:39] <subsume_> calimer what if the sun nova's first? problem solved?
[03:39] <calimer> when you start playing with it you tend to corrupt software
[03:39] <subsume_> Setting up squid (2.6.14-1ubuntu2.1) ...
[03:39] <subsume_> Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/squid ...
[03:39] <subsume_> *hang*
[03:39] <calimer> I'm sure you are eager to use yoru comp
[03:39] <calimer> your
[03:39] <subsume_> I got all night. =)
[03:39] <calimer> but maybe go watch a movie or some TV
[03:39] <subsume_> Its a strange thing to hang on.
[03:39] <calimer> and come back and see what its status is
[03:39] <calimer> it's comps, it happens
[03:40] <calimer> but to kill it can't you open a new tab in the console and type uh ls -a I think it is
[03:40] <calimer> and then kill by the pid?
[03:40] <subsume_> will that stop whole ugprade process?
[03:40] <calimer> honestly I would just let it keep going
[03:40] <kgoetz> if you break the upgrade, you can resume it later
[03:40] <calimer> it might hang next time you try too
[03:41] <kgoetz> just dont reboot a half upgraded sytem
[03:41] <calimer> the safest thing is to just go catch a movie or some TV and relax
[03:41] <calimer> let it do its thing
[03:41] <calimer> chances are it will move forward on its own
[03:42] <subsume_> calimer -- this config file better have some shakespeare in it!
[03:42] <calimer> why in a mood for some romance?
[03:42] <calimer> haha
[03:43] <subsume_> any config file that takes a computer an hour to write should potentially call the Turing commission to convene.
[03:44] <calimer> honestly I'm not much of an expert on what you are doing right now
[03:44] <calimer> my linux distro is mandrake 10.1
[03:44] <calimer> just talking from my experience installing many many things
[03:44] <calimer> and messing stuff up when I got impatient, haha
[03:45] <subsume_> if I kill the PID it will just move on?
[03:45] <kgoetz> dpkg is very forgiving, if you make the right scrifices
[03:46] <calimer> who knows
[03:46] <subsume_> hmm
[03:46] <subsume_> I might just kill it
[03:46] <calimer> seriously just go out for some pizza or something
[03:46] <subsume_> by the looks of it I don't even WANT squid
[03:46] <subsume_> no I'm gonna kill it!
[03:46] <calimer> I forgot what squid does, isn't it some network security type thing?
[03:46] <subsume_> its a network caching service
[03:47] <subsume_> the idiot who ran this lab beforehand must have thought itw as important
[03:47] <calimer> it's going to blow up
[03:47] <subsume_> that would be a relief!
[03:47] <kgoetz> squid is a caching proxy
[03:47] <subsume_> I will just switch industries if that's the case.
[03:48] <kgoetz> it allows you to plug extra stuff into it like dansguardian which makes it quite flexible
[03:48] <calimer> isn't dansguardian a firewall?
[03:48] <kgoetz> no, its a content filter
[03:49] <subsume_> Now isn't that interesting......... ps -auwx is hanging.
[03:49] <calimer> why do people say linux doesn't need a firewall?
[03:49] <calimer> I think that is kind of crazy talk
[03:49] <kgoetz> calimer: why?
[03:49] <calimer> well I guess it doesn't NEED a firewall
[03:49] <calimer> but that isn't the same as it has the same protection as a win comp with a firewall
[03:50] <kgoetz> dont know about your distro, but the only open ports i have on my systems are ones i open. 80 and 64.
[03:50] <kgoetz> you cant say the same for a windows system
[03:50] <calimer> so maybe your distro has a built in firewall
[03:50] <kgoetz> no, it doesnt
[03:51] <calimer> then how would the other ports be closed on their own?
[03:51] <kgoetz> well, it does, because iptables is part of Linux, but its not filtering
[03:51] <calimer> and are they closed or stealthed?
[03:51] <kgoetz> thier not set to listen on external interfaces
[03:51] <kgoetz> closed.
[03:51] <calimer> so people can still see your comp
[03:51] <kgoetz> sure
[03:51] <calimer> I'm certainly no expert
[03:51] <calimer> but I just think it doesn't hurt to have a nix firewall too
[03:51] <kgoetz> whats a firewall goign to do for me?
[03:52] <calimer> stealth your ports
[03:52] <kgoetz> why would i want to?
[03:52] <calimer> so people can't see your comp that you don't want
[03:52] <kgoetz> which people? :)
[03:52] <calimer> bad people
[03:53] <calimer> haha
[03:53]  * kgoetz still isnt convinced ;)
[03:53] <calimer> I mean some are just crazy in general
[03:53] <calimer> well whatever works anyway
[03:53] <calimer> just stating my opinion
[03:53] <kgoetz> a public server, sure. firewall it. a home system? bugger that for paranoia
[03:54] <calimer> maybe I am a bit
[03:54] <calimer> though I'm a developer too
[03:54] <subsume_> I can't even open a new terminal to that machine that was hanging...
[03:54] <calimer> so I can't really affort any problems
[03:54] <calimer> er
[03:54] <calimer> afford
[03:54] <kgoetz> subsume_: sounds like its under a lot of load
[03:54] <calimer> I used to host quite a few servers as wel
[03:54] <kgoetz> subsume_: is the HDD thrashing?
[03:55] <subsume_> kgoetz: no
[03:55] <kgoetz> subsume_: hm. i'm wonering if dpkg has started an eternal loop
[03:55] <subsume_> yeah. can I ctrl Z now?
[03:56] <kgoetz> Z is background. C is cancel
[03:56] <calimer> damn my game went to 8 out of 631 on moddb :(
[03:56] <subsume_> oh that's a good one.
[03:56] <calimer> it lost top 5 BOOO
[03:56] <kgoetz> yes you can, but dont expect it to work instantly :) give it a minute to die off
[03:56] <subsume_> ahaha
[03:56] <kgoetz> calimer: aw
[03:56] <calimer> why not just kill by pid
[03:56] <calimer> cleaner
[03:56] <subsume_> hitting CTRL C just skiopped it and continued the install
[03:56] <kgoetz> calimer: he cant opena  shell (he says)
[03:56] <calimer> ah well
[03:57] <calimer> shell is good for you
[03:57] <subsume_> http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf69
[03:58] <kgoetz> ogra_cmpc: ello
[03:59] <kgoetz> subsume_: adduser: `/usr/bin/gpasswd -M proxy winbindd_priv' exited from signal 2. Exiting. <- is the problem
[03:59] <subsume_> crap now NFS is hanging too
[04:00] <kgoetz> subsume_: can you pastebin your sources.list?
[04:00] <subsume_> I wish I could but I can't login from another terminal
[04:01] <kgoetz> are you doing this in single user mode, or full system?
[04:02] <subsume_> root
[04:02] <subsume_> I can't even use ps =(
[04:02] <subsume_> is my system destroyed?
[04:02] <subsume_> dpkg is locked.
[04:03] <kgoetz> root meaning?
[04:03]  * kgoetz hugs his bvd function
[04:03] <subsume_> kgoetz: full system
[04:04] <subsume_> Crap.
[04:04] <kgoetz> heh
[04:04] <subsume_> I've never had a good time with Ubuntu
[04:05] <subsume_> This _always_ happens.
[04:05] <subsume_> I'm afraid to restart my system
[04:05] <kgoetz> subsume_: whats happening?
[04:06] <subsume_> the physical terminal is just blinking
[04:06] <subsume_> new SSH connections fail
[04:06] <subsume_> my existing SSH connection cannot us ps
[04:06] <subsume_> use
[04:06] <kgoetz> hm
[04:06] <subsume_> obviously something is bad.
[04:06] <subsume_> at a low level.
[04:06] <kgoetz> can you still access the logs? reporting a bug with
[04:06] <kgoetz> the pastebin you listed earlier and hte logs it references would probably be valuable
[04:08] <subsume_> nope
[04:08] <subsume_> can't access crap
[04:08] <subsume_> terminal died.
[04:08] <subsume_> I'm having a "wish I was using Debian" moment.
[04:09] <subsume_> power cycle.... lets see what kind of fun happens.
[04:11] <subsume_> psh
[04:11] <subsume_> can't even login as root.
[04:13] <subsume_> maybe an LDAP problem
[04:13] <subsume_> how the heck do I get around that?
[04:14] <kgoetz> cant log in? usually when i get a live/install cd and chroot in and start fixing stuff up like that
[04:20] <subsume_> kgoetz: and what on earth am I going to do therE?
[04:20] <kgoetz> subsume_: finish the upgrade
[04:20] <subsume_> hm. ok.
[04:28] <subsume_> kgoetz: will simply getting a shell into / and running dpkg be your first move?
[04:30] <kgoetz> subsume_: bind in /proc/ and /dev/ from the host, then chroot into the system and run `apt-get -f install` and `dpkg --configure --pending`
[04:30] <kgoetz> fix/remove/add as required to get those two commands to stop complaining.
[04:37] <subsume_> kgoetz: found its choking on ldap-auth-config
[04:37] <subsume_> Unknown terminal: bterm
[04:38] <kgoetz> never heard of bterm
[04:38] <subsume_> dpkg: error processing ldap-auth-config (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error status 255
[04:38] <kgoetz> try to dpkg --configure ldap-auth-config and see if it gives you a better error message
[04:42] <subsume_> kgoetz: gives me the same error, more or less
[04:44] <kgoetz> subsume_: open up /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config and put 'set -ex' at the top then try to --configure again
[04:46] <subsume_> hmm that's elaborate
[04:46] <subsume_> ok
[04:46] <kgoetz> it should enable debug in the script
[04:48] <subsume_> kgoetz: nothing different as far as i can see
[04:48] <subsume_> that file didn't exist, btw.
[04:48] <kgoetz> subsume_: ah
[04:49] <kgoetz> subsume_: you need a .postinst sorry
[04:49] <subsume_> what is that?
[04:49] <kgoetz>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldap-auth-config.postinst
[04:50] <subsume_> nickrud: k
[04:52] <subsume_> kgoetz: got some additional output
[04:52] <subsume_> [ ! ]  ... PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 export PERL_DL_NONLAZY [ ]
[05:11] <subsume_> nickrud: encountered this upon dist-upgrade http://pastebin.com/m6ca4cf69
[09:38] <highvoltage> hi kids!
[09:39]  * RichEd waves to highvoltage and shudders to imagine him as his dad
[09:40] <highvoltage> hah!
[09:42]  * RichEd sees his mother shuderring doubly so ;)
[11:02]  * ogra_cmpc curses intel for not at least putting a pinhole reset button in the classmate
[11:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[11:05] <ogra_cmpc> they use an internal battery, so if i really kill the kernel in a mean way so that not even the power button works i have to dissamble the whole thing to yank the battery out
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. thats going to cause problems
[11:14] <ogra_cmpc> IT COPIES !!!
[11:14]  * ogra_cmpc dances around the classmate installer
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats copying?
[11:18] <ogra_cmpc> my installer
[11:23] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, i should be done with it by the end of the day, so a hardy image will be up tonight  ... i've put some effort in this weekend to make it able to install to *any* attached device ... so if you have a usb key you can just do a test install to it and boot/work from there
[11:23] <RichEd> w00t :)
[11:23] <ogra_cmpc> oh, and the image is only 850M now
[11:23] <RichEd> w00t +n
[11:23] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: got my mail ?
[11:24] <ogra_cmpc> (the installer .... the instaleld system still takes teh whole disk)
[11:24] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, if its important tell me quickly here, i'm staying away from mail atm to get something done
[11:24] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: basically it's about a freeze exception for italc 1.0.7
[11:24] <RichEd> ogra_cmpc: mebbe the whole disk is used ... not critical ... it's now < 1/2 the download volume & speed
[11:25] <RichEd> s/speed/time/
[11:25] <RichEd> makes tight logistics one or two sweat drops less stressful
[11:25] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: it fixes some bugs and make it a lot faster when you have >10 computers, though it also does some UI changes (removing useless stuff and dropping the Userlist panel) :(
[11:26] <ogra_cmpc> hmm, not sure about the UI stuff ...
[11:26] <ogra_cmpc> the others sound like proper bugfixes
[11:27] <ogra_cmpc> RichEd, no no, the installed image didnt change much (size wise) its the same partitioning scheme as in gutsy ... you still have 6-700M space for the user
[11:29] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: well, I was wondering if we could get a FFe for it or should ask Tobias for separated patches (he of course would prefer that we ship 1.0.7 ...) ?
[11:30] <ogra_cmpc> i'll talk to pitti or slangasek
[11:31] <stgraber> thanks, I mailed you the detailed changelog
[11:31] <stgraber> (so you can read it once you have access to a mail client :))
[11:36] <ogra_cmpc> yup, thanks
[13:21] <profe_sp> holas
[13:21] <profe_sp> alguien en español
[13:24] <profe_sp> i have problems to config thinclients
[16:47] <mattward> hello. I am running a edubuntu server in Virtualbox on a machine that has one ethernet port. i am then pxe booting another vm in virtualbox on a second machine. The second vm is not seeing the first edubuntu vm... :) not sure why. is there some sort of config i have to do on the ed-vm? btw this is on a home network
[16:51] <johnny> yes
[16:51] <johnny> you have to set up bridging most likely
[16:51] <johnny> that is.. if you want them to have net
[16:52] <johnny> if you just want them to communicate locally you can use internal network
[16:52] <johnny> but NAT will not work
[16:52] <johnny> NAT is the default i think
[17:33] <mattward> thanks johnny i will try that
[17:34] <johnny> you don't set it on the vm tho
[17:34] <johnny> or rather
[17:34] <johnny> if you just want to use internal network and not have net from your ltsp client or server , then you dont' have to set anything except in the vm config
[17:35] <johnny> if you want them both to have access to the network, then you have to setup bridging on your host machine
[17:35] <johnny> with the generated macs in the vm config
[17:36] <johnny> my host machine is gentoo, so i can't exactly tell you how to do bridged networking in ubuntu/debian
[17:36] <johnny> but iirc there are instructions on the vbox site for how to do so
[17:39] <mattward> when i pxe boot the second vbox vm it does not find anything to boot from.. not sure if it is cause of nat on the lstp vm or not?
[17:39] <johnny> yes
[17:39] <johnny> it is
[17:39] <mattward> ah ok
[17:39] <mattward> so edubuntu vm should be bridged?
[17:39] <johnny> or internal network
[17:39] <mattward> right
[17:40] <mattward> cool thanks. now gotta get back to real work.. i will try that when i get home. :)
[17:48] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, How long is a typical release of Ubuntu supported and which is the nearest Long Term Supported release?
[17:49] <johnny> that's all on the site
[17:49] <johnny> whn you try to download it
[17:49] <johnny> the nearest one is in april
[17:49] <Muhammad_Saad> I have read the FAQ but could not find what I am looking for.
[17:49] <Muhammad_Saad> This April?
[17:50] <johnny> yes
[17:50] <johnny> when you try to download ubuntu, it tells you which release is lts
[17:51] <Muhammad_Saad> How long will 7.10 be supported?
[17:51] <johnny> not nearly as long :)
[17:51] <johnny> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[17:52] <Muhammad_Saad> Please tell me exactly how long is a usual release supported and what is the period of support for an LTS release?
[17:52] <Muhammad_Saad> I currently have the CD of 7.10
[17:52] <johnny> it says so
[17:52] <johnny> rightt here
[17:52] <johnny> on that link
[17:55] <Muhammad_Saad> I estimate that a usual release is supported for 1.5 years. Am I correct?
[17:56] <Muhammad_Saad> And an LTS release for 3 years.
[17:56] <Muhammad_Saad> Am I correct?
[17:58] <johnny> did you read?
[17:58] <Muhammad_Saad> Yes.
[17:58] <johnny> The "LTS" version of Ubuntu receives long-term support. 3 years for desktop versions and 5 years for server versions.
[17:58] <johnny> don'tforget server
[17:59] <Muhammad_Saad> If I install edubuntu 7.10 now, will I have to re-install it when the new version is available?
[17:59] <johnny> you can upgrade
[18:00] <Muhammad_Saad> How? I donot have a fast internet connection
[18:00] <Muhammad_Saad> I use dial-up
[18:00] <johnny> you can order a new cd
[18:00] <johnny> and upgrade from that
[18:01] <Muhammad_Saad> Will it provide me any options?
[18:01] <johnny> you use your current ubuntu and tell it touse the cd
[18:03] <Muhammad_Saad> How?
[18:03] <LaserJock> johnny: you can't upgrade from the shipit CDs
[18:03] <johnny> you can't tell the current ubuntu to use the new cd for packages?
[18:03] <LaserJock> well, maybe if you do Edubuntu
[18:03] <LaserJock> johnny: you can't upgrade via LiveCDs
[18:03] <johnny> why not?
[18:03] <johnny> that sounds kinda lame
[18:04] <LaserJock> there aren't any packages
[18:04] <LaserJock> it's a live system, not packages
[18:04] <Muhammad_Saad> I am asking such questions because I want to make everything sure before I install it. Please donot get mad if I ask too much questions. :)
[18:04] <LaserJock> so there's nothing there to use to upgrade
[18:04] <johnny> so, how are folks on dialup supposeds to upgrade?
[18:04] <Muhammad_Saad> So please tell me the detailed process to upgrade.
[18:04] <LaserJock> well, I would find a computer that has a good connection
[18:05] <LaserJock> to download the Alternate CD
[18:05] <johnny> that is no good..
[18:05] <johnny> and impossible in some places
[18:05] <LaserJock> yep, it's a very difficult issue
[18:05] <johnny> can't ubuntu provide an upgrade cd then?
[18:05] <LaserJock> not for free
[18:05] <johnny> that people can order?
[18:06] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm sure you can buy them
[18:06] <Muhammad_Saad> So should I wait for the LTS release?
[18:06] <LaserJock> you just have to get the Ubuntu Alternate CD
[18:06] <johnny> you can't order the alternate cd via shipit ?
[18:06] <Muhammad_Saad> What is Alternate CD?
[18:07] <LaserJock> johnny: no
[18:07] <johnny> i'm glad you spoke up then..
[18:07] <LaserJock> they're already spending millions I believe shipping free CDs to people
[18:07] <LaserJock> they don't want to ship any more than they have to
[18:07] <johnny> i bet many folks are getting shipit cds they can't use
[18:08] <LaserJock> well, a lot of people do fresh installs
[18:08] <johnny> does hardy's installer actually let you keep your /home ?
[18:08] <LaserJock> if you have a separate /home partition you can have it keep it I believe
[18:09] <LaserJock> I just backup and wipe the whole thing
[18:09] <johnny> not everybody has that luxury either
[18:09] <LaserJock> I know
[18:09] <LaserJock> it's a difficult issue
[18:09] <johnny> i know they were talking about adding that feature
[18:09] <johnny> adding an option to keep your home is not a difficult issue afaik
[18:09] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: the regular CD you get from Shipit and downloads is what is know as a LiveCD
[18:09] <johnny> it's just linux..
[18:10] <LaserJock> johnny: Ubuntu doesn't want people using separate /home partitions
[18:10] <johnny> then can't they rm -rf everything but /homet then?
[18:10] <johnny> or similiar
[18:10] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: a LiveCD has an actual Ubuntu installation that it runs off the CD
[18:11] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: a Alternate CD is another way to  install that isn't a LiveCD
[18:11] <LaserJock> it uses the actual software packages to install
[18:11] <Muhammad_Saad> Please tell me. If I install the current version and then I want to upgrade using the shipit CD, What do I have to do?
[18:11] <LaserJock> johnny: I would think that'd be quite error-prone,  but possibly
[18:12] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: I think you would want to backup the files you have and then do a new installation from the shipit CD
[18:13] <Muhammad_Saad> OK. Thanks for the help.
[18:14] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: if you can get access to an Alternate CD for Ubuntu 8.04 you could use that for upgrading
[18:14] <LaserJock> but I don't think you can get that from Shipit
[18:14] <Muhammad_Saad> how?
[18:14] <Muhammad_Saad> boot from the CD?
[18:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[18:14] <Muhammad_Saad> will it ask me to upgrade or install a fresh system?
[18:15] <LaserJock> I believe so
[18:15] <LaserJock> either that or you can put the CD in when you are logged into your current system
[18:15] <Muhammad_Saad> Isn't Edubuntu an Alternate CD?
[18:15] <LaserJock> well
[18:16] <LaserJock> Edubuntu 8.04 will use the Ubuntu Alternate CD for LTSP
[18:17] <LaserJock> so it may be available from shipit
[18:17] <LaserJock> but I don't know for sure
[18:17] <Muhammad_Saad> If I want to upgrade from the CD while logged in, what do I have to do?
[18:17] <LaserJock> I haven't heard the 8.04 shipit plans
[18:17] <LaserJock> Muhammad_Saad: put the CD in
[18:17] <LaserJock> I think that should do it
[18:18] <Muhammad_Saad> automagically?
[18:18] <LaserJock> pretty much
[18:20] <Muhammad_Saad> Please hurry. I feel like I am going to be disconnected.
[18:20] <Muhammad_Saad> ok
[18:20] <Muhammad_Saad> I shall try that.
[18:21] <Muhammad_Saad> Now I have to leave. Thanks a lot for all the support.
[18:21] <LaserJock> I mean, you can install 7.10 now and see how it goes
[18:21] <LaserJock> then figure out how to upgrade later
[18:21] <LaserJock> maybe things will change in the mean time
[18:22] <Muhammad_Saad> May be, May be not.
[18:22] <LaserJock> but it's really not going to hurt anything
[18:22] <Muhammad_Saad> But at least I can try.
[18:23] <Muhammad_Saad> Bye.
[18:23] <LaserJock> cya
[18:27] <LaserJock> johnny: yeah, upgrading can be a beast if you don't have a decent internet connection
[19:09] <highvoltage> hmm, missed him
[20:22] <subsume> So would a common edubuntu configuration somehow block access to the WAN to all clients?  I can't recall exactly what step stopped it. I am trying to isolate it before I go into the cables.
[20:23] <even> hi all
[20:23] <even> i'm looking for a how to for customize ltsp with icewm. where i found that ?
[20:59] <subsume> I thought net booting would be as simple as setting network boot in the bios but i am getting not found errors.
[21:21] <juliux> ogra, ping
[21:21] <juliux> ogra_cmpc, ping
[21:23] <subsume> juliux: ?? that to me?
[21:55] <subsume> What a ghosttown.
[22:39] <subsume> Anyone know why a thin client would hang at 'STarting system log daemon'??
[22:40] <johnny> are you using ldap?
[22:40] <johnny> i just know that i saw somebody have that problem only in that case, but i don't know what it is really related to
[22:49] <subsume> johnny: yes
[23:11] <subsume> All the clients in my edubuntu lab cannot connect to the internet. The server can connect.  What could be to blame?
[23:11] <subsume> I believe it happened while dist-ugprading
[23:17] <LaserJock> subsume: did you email edubuntu-users?
[23:17] <sudobash> subsume try ifconfig
[23:17] <subsume> LaserJock: No
[23:17] <subsume> sudobash: on client? ok
[23:17] <sudobash> yes
[23:18] <sudobash> tell me what it says
[23:20] <subsume> boink
[23:22] <subsume> I can ping the server... I know it can because the client machines have an NFS loaded home drive
[23:22] <subsume> from the server
[23:22] <subsume> sudobash: ^
[23:23] <sudobash> I think it is the gateway
[23:23] <subsume> hmm
[23:23] <subsume> Honestly this is an unfamiliar lab....
[23:24] <subsume> based on what i pasted you, is the gateway the router or the server?
[23:24] <sudobash> well it is wherever your Internet is coming from
[23:25] <sudobash> gateway to internet
[23:25] <sudobash> so the IP which houses the connection to the NET
[23:25] <sudobash> maybe you have an OpenBSD server with multiple NICS i dont know
[23:25] <subsume> sudobash: sadly I see nothing about gateway in what i pasted you from ifconfig
[23:25] <sudobash> or maybe it is a Netgear or Linksys Routers
[23:26] <subsume> edubuntu server, edubuntu clients, 3com wifi router connceting clients
[23:26] <sudobash> so the edubuntu is the server which has the NET and it is the Gateway
[23:27] <sudobash> go to System -> Administration-> Network
[23:27] <sudobash> and configure gateway on every machine as the Ed Server
[23:27] <sudobash> BRB
[23:28] <subsume> sudobash: hmm.
[23:30] <sudobash> that is what is i guarantee
[23:30] <sudobash> as long as the Net is not going to 3COM and is going to server
[23:30] <sudobash> there are a few ways to have it set up like you say
[23:30] <sudobash> multiple NIC's on the EDUserver
[23:30] <subsume> sudobash: there are two NICs on the server
[23:31] <sudobash> or having the 3COM hooked to the NET
[23:31] <sudobash> right so you probably have one NIC coming from NET and one coming from 3COM
[23:31] <sudobash> then your gateway is the SERVER
[23:31] <sudobash> not the 3com
[23:32] <sudobash> once you have configured the gateway in you will want to do this... you can even make a script
[23:32] <sudobash> sudo apt-get ra0 down
[23:32] <sudobash> sudo apt-get ra0 up
[23:32] <sudobash> wait
[23:32] <sudobash> sorry
[23:33] <subsume> sudobash: but this was all set up fine a day ago... maybe I can jsut fix whatever happened to the server to make it a dysfunctional gateway?
[23:33] <sudobash> wow how did i type that?
[23:33] <sudobash> sudo ifconfig ra0 down
[23:33] <sudobash> sudo ifconfig ra0 up
[23:34] <subsume> Ok, I'm confused.... "no" ?
[23:36] <sudobash> you asked if the gateway was in the info you gave
[23:37] <subsume> No.
[23:37] <sudobash> but you can tell it what gateway to use for the internet
[23:37] <subsume> What I mean is ....
[23:37] <subsume> sudobash: but this was all set up fine a day ago... maybe I can jsut fix whatever happened to the server to make it a dysfunctional gateway?
[23:38] <sudobash> i dont think it is a dysfunctional gateway i think is a weirdly configured network that needs proper network admin tasks done to it for it to work 100% of the time
[23:39] <sudobash> it is just proper technique as a Network Admin to set a Gateway address in situations like this
[23:39] <subsume> sudobash: oh yeah? ok.
[23:40] <sudobash> all the gateway does is say that is the PC with the INTERNET use that router to get to the NET
[23:40] <sudobash> route* not router
[23:41] <sudobash> TCP/IP traffic follows routes
[23:41] <sudobash> they may pass over several NICs while getting where they are going but it is all invisible unless you uncap your NIC with software
[23:44] <subsume> yeah you're kind of speaking above my head
[23:44] <subsume> but i think i get you
[23:44] <sudobash> but setting the gateway should work if it doesn't let me know and I will help you out some more
[23:45] <subsume> ok, thanks
[23:45] <subsume> sudobash: Do I run the risk of overflooding the gateway?
[23:45] <sudobash> how fast is your server?
[23:45] <sudobash> andhowmany clients accessing it?
[23:46] <subsume> maybe 25 clients
[23:46] <subsume> using NFS loaded home drive
[23:46] <subsume> "Fat clients"
[23:46] <sudobash> if it was windows i would say yes
[23:46] <sudobash> if the server was windows yes
[23:46] <sudobash> but Ubuntu I doubt it
[23:46] <subsume> hmm ok
[23:47] <sudobash> but you may have to setup more clients that can access storage
[23:47] <sudobash> like ftp and ssh even
[23:47] <sudobash> setup how many clients the daemons all allow at one time
[23:47] <sudobash> but maybe not 25 isnt too many
[23:48] <sudobash> if the server is of decent speed you should be fine
[23:48] <subsume> ok.
[23:48] <sudobash> tell me if the internet works when you set the gateway
[23:48] <subsume> have you set up thin-clients before?
[23:49] <sudobash> ummm some not very many... I can maybe get someone else to help you with it though
[23:49] <subsume> hmm
[23:49] <subsume> I'm not really sure how to set up the gateway.
[23:49] <subsume> is it the same as netmask?
[23:49] <sudobash> no the netmask is the subnetmask
[23:50] <sudobash> like 192.168.*.* is <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:51] <sudobash> what you need to do is go to system-> administration->network and you should be able to specify an IP subnet and gateway along with DNS and what not
[23:51] <subsume> ok but I'm not even sure how to find out what the gateway should be
[23:51] <subsume> checked /etc/network/interfaces on server. nothing
[23:51] <sudobash> go to server and do ifconfig
[23:52] <subsume> I see nothing about gateway sudobash
[23:52] <sudobash> your client <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:52] <subsume> yes
[23:52] <subsume> 0.10 is my server
[23:53] <sudobash> the gateway for <IP_ADDRESS> or whatever client there is... is going to be the IP of the Server... you have 2 nics
[23:53] <sudobash> one IP is going to be the Internet IP and one is going to be the Local Area Network IP
[23:53] <subsume> the one that goes out says IP = 1.5
[23:54] <subsume> so...  <IP_ADDRESS>?
[23:54] <sudobash> what is the other one
[23:54] <subsume> 0.10
[23:54] <sudobash> <IP_ADDRESS> is not reacable from <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:54] <sudobash> *your client)
[23:54] <sudobash> (
[23:54] <subsume> ......
[23:54] <sudobash> so the gateway is the 0.10
[23:55] <sudobash> and <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP the houses the Net most likely
[23:55] <subsume> I'm really just not sure what you're even saying anymore
[23:55] <sudobash> 1 nic is on the clients network 1 is not
[23:56] <sudobash> yeah its hard to explain if you dont know much about networking
[23:56] <subsume> I already get most of what you are saying
[23:56] <subsume> But I'm not sure what you are implying I should do about all of this
[23:56] <sudobash> <IP_ADDRESS> is the Net IP most likely and <IP_ADDRESS> is the IP of the SERVER communicating with the clients
[23:57] <subsume> You said specify new gateway for clients, then said the new address is unreachable by the clients.
[23:57] <subsume> I could have told you a year ago 0.10 was the server
[23:57] <sudobash> they are bot the server but 0.10 is the one reachable by the clients not 1.5
[23:57] <sudobash> but*
[23:58] <subsume> yes....which leads me to believe some configuration in the server machine has gone awry and needs fixing
[23:58] <subsume> but to that you said, no, i need to redo something about the clients
[23:58] <subsume> which makes no sense because they were never touched in the first place
[23:58] <sudobash> tell me something
[23:59] <sudobash> is there a Modem of WAN cable plugged straight to the EDU Server
[23:59] <sudobash> like a cable or dsl modem
[23:59] <sudobash> or T1
[23:59] <sudobash> or T3?
[23:59] <subsume> Its hard to say because this thing goes into the ceiling but it looks to me like the server connects to a 3Com wifi router
[23:59] <sudobash> or maybe just a network cable coming from somewhere else (another server/router)
[23:59] <subsume> (hard plugged)
[23:59] <sudobash> yeah i figured that
[23:59] <subsume> I am talking to you right now by plugging myself into that same router


[04:23] <dragon> MarkDude: BBQ?
[08:13] <MarkDude> dragon, = maybe sunday?
[08:13] <MarkDude> You have a monitor that will work with the Pis?


[05:32] <Kilos> morning all
[06:14] <nlsthzn> morning uncle Kilos
[06:15] <Kilos> hiya nlsthznyou use kde?
[06:15] <Kilos> ai! that space again
[06:15] <nlsthzn> well I got kde on a little notebook...
[06:15] <Kilos> i gotta try stop vlc trying to open everything without removing it
[06:16] <Kilos> even tries to open sticks with text files on
[06:16] <Kilos> grrr
[06:16] <Kilos> morning superfly
[06:17] <nlsthzn> look for fiel associations under settings uncle Kilos
[06:17] <nlsthzn> *file
[06:17] <Kilos> ok lemme look again ty
[06:22] <Kilos> theres so much in there but dont see what to choose or how to make it ask what i wanna open media with
[06:26] <Kilos> its a carry over prob from lubuntu+mate+unity. i didnt delete /home
[06:26] <superfly> morning Kilos, nlsthzn
[06:27] <Kilos> aw and im using quassel not konversation
[06:27] <Kilos> lemme install it first
[06:34] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:39] <magespawn> just set notifications in quassel, need to adjust the volume
[06:39] <magespawn> whats up this morning Kilos?
[06:43] <nlsthzn> hiya superfly , magespawn
[06:43] <magespawn> hey nlsthzn
[06:44] <superfly> magespawn: 2 months!
[06:45] <Kilos> trying to stop vlc opening all media magespawn
[06:45] <magespawn> ?
[06:45] <magespawn> till you come up here superfly?
[06:45] <superfly> yup
[06:45] <magespawn> ah right cool
[06:46] <magespawn> Kilos: explain a little
[06:46] <superfly> magespawn: we'll be in hluhluwe that first week of June
[06:46] <magespawn> superfly: are you going to spend time in Durban?
[06:46] <Kilos> if i plug in a stick vlc tries to open it, no choice to use file viewer
[06:47] <magespawn> Kilos: sounds like it is set to do that automatically, why i do not know
[06:47] <superfly> magespawn: no, we'll be down in Port Shepstone the previous week
[06:50] <magespawn> lots of traveling
[06:50] <superfly> yup
[06:51] <superfly> with a nearly 4 year old and a 10 month old
[06:51] <magespawn> car seat?
[06:51] <superfly> yup
[06:53] <magespawn> we try to split the kids one in the front one in the back, makes it easy for the one not driving to deal with the little one
[06:53] <superfly> magespawn: we've made provision for LOTS of driving time
[06:54] <Kilos> eish superfly its far
[06:54] <superfly> Kilos: ja, we're taking 3 days to drive up :-)
[06:54] <Kilos> did the trip down the coast once. took forever
[06:54] <Kilos> 18 hours non stop i think
[06:55] <Kilos> if you split it over 3 days it should be fine
[06:56] <Kilos> dont your kids sleep lots in the car
[06:56] <magespawn> usually takes me about 10 hours to Klerksdorp 780kms
[06:56] <Kilos> ian even today if someone else drives just sleeps
[06:57] <superfly> we're driving Cape Town -> Plettenberg Bay -> Haga Haga (East London) -> Port Shepstone
[06:58] <Kilos> ya same route but will be good over 3 days
[06:58] <Kilos> and views are good
[06:58] <Kilos> beautiful country
[06:59] <magespawn> superfly: first long rid trip with the whole family?
[07:00] <Kilos> yo Jabberwocky_
[07:01] <superfly> 'Twas brillig, and the slithey toves did gire and gimble in the wabe...
[07:01] <Kilos> huh?
[07:01] <Kilos> you been drinking?
[07:02] <superfly> All mimsey were the borogroves, and the mome raths outgrabe.
[07:02] <superfly> Beware the Jabberwock my son, the jaws that bite, the claws that snatch. Beware the juju bird, and shun the frumious bandersnatch.
[07:03] <Kilos> hehe
[07:03] <Jabberwocky_> good morning Kilos :)
[07:04] <magespawn> hey Jabberwocky_
[07:04] <magespawn> superfly is that from memory?
[07:06] <superfly> He took his vorpel sword in hand, long time the manksome foe he sought. So rested he by the tum-tum tree, and stood a while in thought.
[07:06] <superfly> And as in uffish thought he stood, the Jabberwock with eyes of flame came whiffling through the tulgey woods, and burbled as it came.
[07:07] <superfly> One, two! One, two! And through and through, the vorpel blade went snicker-snack. He left it dead, and with its head, he went galumphing back.
[07:09] <superfly> And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! Oh frabjous day! Callooh, callay! He chortled in his joy.
[07:09] <superfly> 'Twas brillig, and the slithey toves did gire and gimble in the wabe. All mimsey were the borogroves, and the mome raths outgrabe.
[07:09] <superfly> magespawn: yes.
[07:09] <Kilos> wow
[07:10] <superfly> the greatest poem EVER.
[07:14] <magespawn> that and the Lobster Quadrill (sp?)
[07:15] <magespawn> Quadrille
[07:17] <magespawn> although that is technically a song
[07:22] <Kilos> vlc even tries to open /home
[07:22] <Kilos> time for clean install and formatted home
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[07:23] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos, before you do that
[07:23] <Kilos> yes?
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> take a look at ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list and see if vlc is listed there
[07:24] <Kilos> ok
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think it's there
[07:27] <Kilos> yip with audio and video
[07:28] <Kilos> and
[07:28] <Kilos> x-content/audio-cdda=vlc.desktop;
[07:30] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2UZA41bwA
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm that's weird, it shouldn't want to handle you browsing a directory then :-/
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> inode/directory=mmc.desktop;vlc.desktop;
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> delete that line
[07:31] <Kilos> ok ty
[07:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> it should just work once you save the change, i don't think you'll need to log out and back in again
[07:34] <Kilos> how did that get there to cause the prob?
[07:35] <Kilos> yay ty ThatGraemeGuy i can open home properly again
[07:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> that i don't know, it hasn't happened to me frequently enough to determine what causes it
[07:36] <Kilos> very frustrating
[07:36] <Kilos> was ready for a clean install
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's almost never necessary :)
[07:37] <Kilos> thats what the guys all tell me , but i dont like bugging you all for help all the time
[07:37] <magespawn> Kilos:  seems to do that as regular exercise ThatGraemeGuy
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe
[07:37] <Kilos> hehe
[07:38] <magespawn> superfly: The Walrus and the Carpenter
[07:38] <Kilos> ive installed 12.04 more than any 20 other peeps
[07:39] <magespawn> Kilos: only 20?
[07:40] <Kilos> yeah and they are the admins of very large companies
[07:46] <Kilos> sudo acpi_osi=off
[07:46] <Kilos> is that all i need to stop boot splash?
[07:47] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[07:47] <Kilos> lotsa stuff there
[07:48] <magespawn> superfly http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/046/2/8/the_jabberwocky_by_chriskuhlmann-d39ndnm.jpg
[07:50] <Kilos> ai!
[07:52] <magespawn> you also need to update the grub for it to tack effect
[07:52] <magespawn> sudo update-grub2, i think
[07:56] <nlsthzn> what is a coral reef in afrikaans?!
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> koraalrif
[08:00] <Kilos> koraal rif
[08:00] <Kilos> hehe
[08:01] <Kilos> you too fast ThatGraemeGuy
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> ooooops! ;)
[08:11] <Kilos> hehe
[08:30] <charl> good morning
[08:30] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:30]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:35] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:47] <superfly> magespawn: lovely! thanks :-D
[08:50] <nlsthzn> thanks guys
[08:53] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:53] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:53] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:55] <Kilos> inetpro: cremora
[09:04] <Kilos> ohi not_found
[09:04] <Kilos> toods neelsie
[09:06] <not_found> lol
[09:06] <not_found> still me
[09:06] <not_found> but different
[09:06] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[09:06] <Kilos> ya now lost
[09:11] <charl> wow, downloaded ubuntu over ipv6 at close to 1000mBps
[09:12] <charl> not bad, just under 8 seconds
[09:14] <Kilos> wow
[09:15] <charl> make that 100mBps excuse me, one too many zeroes
[09:16] <charl> i wish the world would just upgrade to ipv6, it's extremely fast and well optimised for high bandwidth connections
[09:16] <charl> ipv4 is a dinosaur that needs to die
[09:16] <charl> along with nat routing :)
[09:17] <Kilos> no man we cant all use ipv6
[09:18] <Kilos> even gprs is better than no connection and thats like 8 mB/s
[09:19] <charl> gprs? 8mBps? that's 8*8=64mbps
[09:19] <charl> that's not a bad connection, but i thought gprs was uber slow?\
[09:19] <Kilos> it is
[09:19] <Kilos> i got something wrong
[09:19] <Kilos> 8 kB/s
[09:19] <Kilos> hehe
[09:20] <Kilos> and drops to 2 sometimes
[09:21] <charl> ah 64kbps
[09:21] <charl> yeah that's pretty slow
[09:22] <Kilos> cant get mail and run irc and pidgin same time
[09:22] <Kilos> mail gotta qwait
[09:22] <charl> it's confusing because connection speed is usually measured in bits and data in bytes
[09:22] <charl> so when you download a file, you don't get the connection speed, you get the actual transfer rate of the data, measured in bytes
[09:23] <charl> but then when you talk about connection speed again, you have to calculate it back into bits, and then take protocol overhead into account
[09:23] <Kilos> suffice to say grprs is very slow
[09:23] <charl> although i think protocol overhead is minimal these days, especially with ipv6
[09:23] <tonberry352_> and connections speeds are often in 1000ds while actual file sizes are in 1024s
[09:24] <charl> i think connection speeds usually do get measured in powers of 2
[09:24] <tonberry352_> could just be the crazies in the computer science department here
[09:25] <charl> http://www.google.nl/search?q=1kbps+to+bps
[09:25] <charl> but it gets confusing because: http://www.google.nl/search?q=1mbps+to+kbps
[09:25] <tonberry352_> guess i better make sure
[09:25] <charl> therefore: http://www.google.nl/search?q=1mbps+to+bps
[09:26] <charl> it's the same as: http://www.google.nl/search?q=1024*1024
[09:28] <charl> there is another weird thing
[09:28] <charl> storage device manufacturers (hard drives, solid state drives, flash drives, etc) measure 1kB as 1000B
[09:29] <charl> while the rest of the world measure 1kB as 1024B https://www.google.nl/search?q=1+kilobyte+to+bytes
[09:30] <charl> so when you take a look at, for example, df -u, you don't see a terabyte hard drive as 1T but as 917G
[09:30] <charl> it's called "confusing the sh*t out of people" :)
[09:33] <charl> here's another cool one: http://www.google.nl/search?q=1Bps+to+bps so http://www.google.nl/search?q=1kBps+to+bps
[09:34] <charl> it's simple, it's 1024*8 (first kilobits -> bits and then tims 8)
[09:34] <charl> *times
[09:39] <charl> hahaha i just read through what i said above and then they wonder why computer science is only for people with spectrum autism :)
[09:42] <tonberry352_> sane people do not dare to tread in this realm
[09:48] <Kilos> i go see if bootsplash begone
[09:53] <Kilos> ai!
[10:22] <charl> hi Kilos
[10:22] <charl> did it work?
[10:22] <charl> mine is gone now after the change i made the other day
[10:27] <Kilos> i went the route of a link
[10:27] <Kilos> still shows black and white stripes
[10:27] <Kilos> does yours show text
[10:27] <Kilos> charl: ^^
[10:29] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[10:30] <Kilos> did an edit of /etc/default/grub
[10:30] <Kilos> added nomodeset
[10:30] <Kilos> but still yucky splash
[10:33] <Kilos> how did you change yours?
[10:45] <charl> hi sorry, am back now
[10:45] <charl> ok
[10:45] <Kilos> np
[10:46] <charl> i edited that file to: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[10:46] <charl> did not add nomodeset
[10:46] <charl> the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line in the file to, i mean
[10:49] <Kilos> ok i try that ty
[10:51] <Kilos> i go see what happened
[10:55] <Kilos> ai!
[10:58] <Kilos> didnt work either
[12:32] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[12:34] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[12:35] <Kilos> hi James-N7
[12:36] <theblazehen> awe James-N7
[12:37] <James-N7> Hey Kilos  Sorry I missed the meeting last Monday  Pretty cool, I'm chatting with my BB :) James-N7: oops
[12:37] <Kilos> np James-N7next one on the 15th
[12:37] <James-N7> Hey theblazehen
[12:37] <James-N7> will try attend :)
[12:40] <charl> Kilos: did it work?
[12:41] <charl> sorry it seems like my connection went poppencorken und spitsensparken
[12:41] <Kilos> nope charl
[12:41] <charl> that's really strange
[12:41] <charl> you remembered to regenerate your grub right?
[12:42] <Kilos> yeah
[12:43] <charl> and your screen keeps flickering?
[12:43] <charl> or stripes
[12:44] <Kilos> told me this
[12:44] <Kilos> ai
[12:44] <Kilos>     /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 11: /etc/default/grub: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT: not found
[12:44] <charl> he
[12:45] <charl> did you remove the line?
[12:45] <Kilos> black and white vertical stripes
[12:45] <charl> no you did something wrong in that file
[12:45] <charl> that's why your grub didn't regenerate and it's still loading the splash screen
[12:45] <Kilos> nope just from the =
[12:45] <charl> no that's wrong
[12:45] <charl> you need to have =""
[12:46] <Kilos> ok lemme try again
[12:46] <charl> make it exactly like i gave you above: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[12:46] <charl> otherwise it will give you that error
[12:47] <Kilos> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[12:47] <Kilos> like that??
[12:47] <charl> yup exactly
[12:47] <Kilos> ok i go save
[12:47] <charl> now save and try to regenerate, this time it should work
[12:48] <Kilos> regenerate??
[12:48] <Kilos> update-grub?
[12:49] <charl> yup
[12:49] <Kilos> why not say so man?
[12:49] <charl> sorry :)
[12:49] <charl> am trying to do 10 things at once here
[12:51] <Kilos> wbb i reboot and see
[12:55] <Kilos> eek now even uglier
[12:56] <Kilos> white squares printing across black window
[13:01] <charl> wow ok
[13:02] <charl> well something changed so what you did you did right
[13:02] <charl> but there seems to be general chaos between linux and your graphics card
[13:02] <charl> what exactly were you looking for? most things you should be able to find back in your syslog
[13:03] <Kilos> trying this now
[13:03] <Kilos> http://www.schmut.com/howto/turn-off-the-boot-splash-screen
[13:04] <Kilos> i need to see the boot text so if fsck is running i can do f for fix etc
[13:05] <Kilos> wbb
[13:08] <charl> wb
[13:08] <Kilos> yay
[13:08] <Kilos> ty
[13:08] <charl> it works?
[13:08] <Kilos> lotsa text
[13:08] <Kilos> very lekker now ty
[13:09] <charl> ah interesting, you had to do the first thing and in addition add this? GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[13:09] <Kilos> have to uncomment that other line too
[13:09] <Kilos> ya
[13:10] <charl> i will do it as well
[13:10] <charl> thanks!
[13:12] <Kilos> ty
[13:13] <charl> while you were away i was reading this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49925
[13:13] <charl> i was also taking a look at my /var/log/boot.log
[13:14] <Kilos> what they say?
[13:14] <charl> apparently there is a BOOTLOGD
[13:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone know why "select-to-copy / middle-click-to-paste" would suddenly stop working? :-/
[13:14] <charl> you can enable it in /etc/default/bootlogd
[13:15] <charl> then your /var/log/boot will be filled when you reboot
[13:17] <Kilos> ouch ThatGraemeGuy
[13:17] <Kilos> after updating or sommer just stopped working
[13:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> its not even consistent, i need to spend some time and figure out exactly where its not working
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> works in chrome, not in skype
[13:18] <Kilos> ah
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> sometimes seems to work in terminal
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> but not using multissh
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgghh!
[13:19] <Kilos> charl: that bootlogd is so you can read what happens hey
[13:19] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: can you pin it down to a particular application or group of applications?
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> will have to try and do that, just a bit busy at the moment
[13:35] <charl> Kilos: yeah of course, but i thought that is what you wanted to do?
[13:35] <charl> or did you want the splash screen gone for some other reason?
[13:36] <Kilos> no charl i need any boot screen where i can see if fsck needs to fix errors or so
[13:36] <Kilos> even a graphics boot that i can see not just stripes
[13:37] <charl> ah i see, ok
[13:37] <Kilos> couldnt read any text
[13:37] <Kilos> hehe
[13:37] <Kilos> but only since i using this pci graphics card
[13:38] <charl> for me, i hate all this extra nonsense that abstracts what's going on
[13:38] <charl> it's part of "prettifying" linux up to make it acceptable to the masses :)
[13:38] <charl> by alianating people like us that have always used linux, takes me days just to strip all the crap out
[13:38] <charl> but the end lusers they feel "intimidated" by all the text right? ;)
[13:39] <Kilos> yeah like most shrink when you mention cli
[13:39] <Kilos> or command prompt
[13:40] <Kilos> no thats for specialists use only
[13:45] <charl> hahaha :D
[13:45] <charl> yeah
[13:46] <charl> i grew up with dos so it's hard to intimidate me :P
[13:56] <Kilos> hehe
[13:56] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[13:58] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[15:19] <Vince-0> I got an OpenWeb ADSL account! Busy comparing to MWeb, FNBconnect
[15:23] <Kilos> compairing price wise or speed wise
[15:23] <Kilos> or stability wise
[15:24] <Vince-0> Stability should have little to do with the DSL provider - it's almost always the last mile (copper). Except now SEACOM/eazi is broken although recovering
[15:25] <Vince-0> Pricing differs greatly so that is an easy choice: OpenWeb
[15:25] <Vince-0> FNBConnect is prepaid and R75/3GB or something stupid
[15:26] <Vince-0> MWeb from where I live has been 100% perfect. 4 Telkom problems in the past year
[15:27] <Vince-0> Some speedtest.net results between and some game experience: GuildWars2(EU),BattleField3(ZA), Diablo3(EU)
[15:27] <Vince-0> hey Kilos, do you have an adsl service? I might have an extra DSL account?
[15:28] <Kilos> nope 3g only here ty Vince-0
[15:28] <Vince-0> aw, my parents are also out in the "wilderness". copper theft
[15:29] <Kilos> on a plot where fone lines were stolen so often telkom gave up replacing them
[15:29] <Kilos> yeh it sucks hey
[15:29] <Vince-0> my parents can't get 8ta, not even a reliable Vodacom signal
[15:31] <Kilos> have they queried directly from he providers on what the chances are of upgrading in the area
[15:31] <cocooncrash> inetpro, Squirm-, nuvolari_, magespawn: Thanks for the birthday wishes
[15:31] <Kilos> how many peeps are in the area
[15:31] <Kilos> aw sorry cocooncrash i didnt know. hope you had a good one
[15:31] <Vince-0> not more than 30, not many who care for broadband.
[15:32] <Kilos> the swines didnt tell me
[15:32] <Kilos> where are they Vince-0?
[15:33] <Vince-0> 50km south of Durban. A place called green point
[15:33] <Kilos> if there is a mtn tower not too far telkom puts their equipment on the same tower
[15:33] <Vince-0> aah, I must check that out. 3G is expensive for skype
[15:33] <Kilos> wow never heard of it
[15:34] <Vince-0> in the sticks
[15:34] <Kilos> scotburgh hiberdene then i forget
[15:34] <Kilos> inland?
[15:35] <Kilos> ya skype and 3g aint very user friendly
[15:37] <Kilos> Vince-0: where are you?
[15:38] <Vince-0> I'm in Umhlanga, not far from where the Seacom cable lands
[15:42] <Kilos> oh near nuvo
[15:42] <Vince-0> yes! I've actually had the pleasure of meeting
[15:42] <Kilos> lucky
[15:43] <Kilos> ive only met the pro
[15:46] <Kilos> hi henkj no one even greeted you today
[15:46] <Kilos> sorry
[15:47] <henkj> hi Kilos
[15:47]  * henkj is idling anyway
[15:47] <Kilos> hehe
[16:01] <Kilos> lo inetpro  lewe jy nog?
[16:08] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[16:09] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[16:09] <Cantide> nou eet ek '<
[16:11] <Kilos> hehe
[16:21] <nuvolari_> *cough*
[16:21] <nuvolari_> o/ hi oom Kilos, Cantide
[16:21] <Cantide> hello :)
[16:22] <Kilos> lo nuvolari_
[16:22] <nuvolari_> wb Vince-0
[16:22] <nuvolari_> hoe gaan dit oom Kilos ?
[16:22] <nuvolari_> we're wasing away in Kzn
[16:22] <nuvolari_> *washing
[16:22] <Kilos> nie te sleg nie dankie en jy ?
[16:23] <Cantide> yeah, awesome rain :)
[16:23] <nuvolari_> dit gaan goed dankie oom!
[16:23] <Kilos> mooi
[16:23] <nuvolari_> Ballito was about 90% gridlock today when I went home
[16:23] <nuvolari_> I didn't hear anything on the radio :-/
[16:23] <nuvolari_> I wonder what was going on
[16:23] <Kilos> gridlock?
[16:24] <nuvolari_> Kilos: when the cars are in such a position that nobody can move
[16:24] <Kilos> lol
[16:24] <nuvolari_> Maaz: define gridlock
[16:24] <Maaz> nuvolari_: gridlock n 1: a traffic jam so bad that no movement is possible
[16:25] <nuvolari_> being in that situation sucks
[16:25] <Kilos> just start smashing cars with a baseball bat and watch how quick they find a way out
[16:26] <nuvolari_> or you'll end up dead
[16:26] <nuvolari_> there's nowhere to go
[16:26] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[16:26] <Kilos> yeah then you dont have to worry anyway
[16:26] <inetpro> and good evening everyone else
[16:26] <nuvolari_> jislaaik inetpro, dis sons-ondergang :P nie opkoms nie...
[16:26] <Kilos> dag inetpro  is jy ok?
[16:26] <inetpro> :-)
[16:26] <inetpro> I'm all good Kilos
[16:26] <Kilos> lelik skaars ne
[16:26] <inetpro> high and dry at home
[16:27] <Kilos> dunno where todays 60% was
[16:27] <Kilos> lets hope
[16:27] <nuvolari_> we got it
[16:27] <Kilos> you lucky we had none
[16:28] <Kilos> how much did you get today? we gotr 19mm last night
[16:28]  * inetpro had 38mm
[16:28] <Kilos> last night and today?
[16:28] <Kilos> lucky chap
[16:28] <inetpro> Kilos: no just last night
[16:29] <Kilos> wow
[16:29] <Kilos> and today
[16:29] <inetpro> uh... not sure
[16:29] <inetpro> lemme go check, can't be much
[16:31] <inetpro> nope, nada here
[16:32] <inetpro> but there's big fat clouds in the skies
[16:32] <Kilos> ya nothing today
[16:32] <inetpro> and in town we had some rain
[16:32] <Kilos> oh well, heres hoping
[16:33] <Kilos> oh did you read the extra that needs doing to remove the boot splash screen
[16:33] <Kilos> gotta uncomment one thing too
[16:33] <inetpro> obviously
[16:34] <Kilos> no man that link you gave didnt have it
[16:34] <inetpro> well you have to put one and one together
[16:34] <inetpro> that posting was old
[16:34] <inetpro> things change over time
[16:35] <Kilos> well i have it saved in a file here now so heres hoping
[16:36] <Kilos> peeps should just update their posts as things change
[16:36] <inetpro> Kilos: that link I gave was just to give you some clues and apply it to your circumstances
[16:36] <Kilos> ja ja
[16:36] <inetpro> keeping documentation up to date is tough
[16:37] <inetpro> and forums are not really part of documentation
[16:37] <inetpro> this stuff should be documented somewhere else
[16:37] <Kilos> oh actually i didnt look. can one add things to posts there
[16:38] <inetpro> of course
[16:38] <Kilos> so google finds complete cures
[16:39] <inetpro> the issues differ
[16:40] <inetpro> your issue was different to the one the guy had who posted in the forum
[16:40] <Kilos> oh
[16:42] <Kilos> i didnt figure it was the change to pci graphics card till i tried from 3 different drives and they all had the black/white vertical stripes boot splash
[16:44] <inetpro> I see jrgns took his Galaxy S3 for a swim
[16:45] <Kilos> eek where you saw that?
[16:45] <inetpro> Kilos: https://twitter.com/jrgns/status/316576167991853056
[16:45] <Kilos> oh he tweets
[16:46] <Kilos> i forget you peeps are addicted to twitter
[16:47] <inetpro> Kilos: so should I tell him to contact you for advice?
[16:47] <Kilos> on getting it going again
[16:47] <Kilos> ??
[16:47] <inetpro> yep
[16:47] <Kilos> first move remove battery
[16:47] <Kilos> ya he can
[16:47] <Cantide> i heard that rice is a good idea
[16:48] <Kilos> never power up a wet cell
[16:48] <inetpro> maybe I tell him to join and discuss here?
[16:48] <Kilos> ya here is best
[16:49] <Kilos> arent new  fones insured?
[16:49] <Kilos> oh not if you buy cash i spose
[16:50] <inetpro> Kilos: ask him when he comes here
[16:50] <Kilos> ok but tell him wait. i go eat in 8 mins
[16:51] <Kilos> oh inetpro  betcha plustwo  didnt get switch cleaner yet hey?
[16:51] <inetpro> np, I'm sure he doesn't read his tweets the whole time
[16:52] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... not sure what happened there
[16:53] <Kilos> its rather scarce at the moment. apparently there is a container full at the docks not unpacked because of strikes
[16:53] <inetpro> huh?
[16:53] <inetpro> Kilos: what's that for?
[16:53] <Kilos> switch cleaner and other stuff
[16:55] <Kilos> switch cleaner cleans electronic pc boards, pots, connectors etc
[16:55] <Kilos> removes water and corrosion
[16:55] <inetpro> is it called switch cleaner?
[16:55] <Kilos> yes
[16:55] <inetpro> didn't you use something else?
[16:55] <Kilos> only available at electronic suppliers like communica
[16:56] <Kilos> nope i use servisol or spanjaard lubricating switch cleaner
[16:56] <Kilos> used servisol. it pricey now
[16:57] <inetpro> ahh
[16:57] <inetpro> that I remember now
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat. wbb
[16:59]  * inetpro to
[17:24] <Kilos> too
[17:30] <Kilos> too =also as well
[17:31] <inetpro> ai!
[17:34] <Cantide> hey smile4ever :)
[17:34] <smile4ever> hoi Cantide :)
[17:34] <smile4ever> how are you? :)
[17:35] <Cantide> i'm okay '-'
[17:35] <Cantide> and you?
[17:41] <smile4ever> Cantide: too! :D
[17:42] <Cantide> '-'
[17:42] <smile4ever> I'm doing an internship
[17:42] <smile4ever> :)
[17:42] <Cantide> i wonder what i should do now... hmmm
[17:42] <Cantide> oh!
[17:42] <Cantide> what work?
[17:44] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[17:50] <smile4ever> Cantide: programming
[17:50] <Cantide> ooooooh~
[17:50] <Cantide> very cool :)
[17:50] <Cantide> what language(s) ?
[17:50] <smile4ever> the past week I spent my time programming with LDAP/Active Directory :)
[17:50] <smile4ever> in ASP
[17:50] <smile4ever> the old ASP, yes :p
[17:50] <Cantide> ah
[17:50] <Cantide> not aspx?
[17:50] <smile4ever> no :)
[17:50] <Cantide> :)
[17:50] <Cantide> i'm a PHP fan myself
[17:51] <smile4ever> me too ;)
[17:51] <Cantide> i'd be lost with asp :)
[17:51] <smile4ever> but I have no choice :D
[17:51] <Cantide> haha
[17:51] <Cantide> how are you finding it?
[17:51] <smile4ever> It's okay to work with
[17:51] <smile4ever> but it's slow
[17:51] <smile4ever> ;)
[17:51] <Cantide> haha
[17:51] <smile4ever> and the error handling sucks
[17:51] <smile4ever> compared to ASP.NET
[17:51] <smile4ever> ;)
[17:51] <Cantide> I remember once going crazy because i couldn't have more than one form on a page..
[17:51] <Cantide> but this is like 10 years ago :p
[17:51] <smile4ever> just give it a name, cantide :p
[17:51] <smile4ever> or a group :p
[17:52] <Cantide> ah
[17:52] <Cantide> so it's because i didn't really know what i was doing :) i see
[17:52] <Cantide> well, PHP was kind to me
[17:57] <smile4ever> Cantide: hehe, debugging is always fun :P
[17:57] <smile4ever> error 0515151d
[17:57] <smile4ever> oh yeah, i understand
[17:58] <smile4ever> :p
[17:58] <smile4ever> oh, you mean I forgot a "& "
[17:58] <Cantide> google might be your friend :p
[17:58] <smile4ever> might :)
[17:58] <smile4ever> I have an multidimensional array :)
[17:58] <Cantide> you never know with microsoft stuff
[17:58]  * Cantide coughs
[17:58] <smile4ever> so user(5)(20)
[17:59] <smile4ever> => 6 users, 21 properties
[17:59] <smile4ever> :p
[17:59] <smile4ever> I can't redeclare it :o
[17:59] <Cantide> :o
[17:59] <smile4ever> Have no clue why, I tried every way
[17:59] <smile4ever> I don't know how many users I have, it can change over time too
[17:59] <smile4ever> so I just declared it for 200+1 users
[17:59] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:00] <Cantide> that kinda sucks
[18:00] <Cantide> i had trouble with a dynamic array in C++
[18:01] <Cantide> have to destroy it and recreate it 1 larger each time -.-v
[18:02] <smile4ever> Cantide: great
[18:02] <smile4ever> it was a possibility for me, too
[18:03] <smile4ever> :)
[18:03] <smile4ever> but re-loading it every time
[18:03] <smile4ever> takes much time
[18:03] <Cantide> ah
[18:03] <Cantide> hence you saying it's slow
[18:03] <smile4ever> so it was easier to make it just big enough :D
[18:03] <smile4ever> the company won't have more than 200 employeees
[18:03] <smile4ever> :)
[18:03] <Cantide> or so you hope :)
[18:03] <superfly> Cantide: #include <vector>
[18:04] <Cantide> maybe in a few years their system will crash
[18:04] <Cantide> ah
[18:04] <Cantide> that could help :p
[18:04] <smile4ever> Cantide: they can change a number, can they
[18:04] <smile4ever> :p
[18:04] <superfly> Cantide: don't forget "using namespace std;"
[18:05] <superfly> Python FTW
[18:06] <Cantide> i don't use C++ much these days :p
[18:06] <Cantide> used it to modify text files recently
[18:06] <Cantide> that's about it :p
[18:07] <superfly> I'm a firmware developer
[18:08] <Cantide> you use C then?
[18:12] <Kilos> inetpro: im there by custom shortcuts but cant get ctrl+t to open a konsole
[18:12] <Kilos> what am i doing wrong
[18:13] <Kilos> must i delete comment and put konsole in there
[18:19] <smile4ever> Cantide: can you program in C? :p
[18:19] <smile4ever> ctrl+shift+t, Kilos? :p
[18:19] <Kilos> in kde smile4ever
[18:19] <Kilos> making a custom shortcut to open konsole
[18:19] <smile4ever> I see :)
[18:20] <smile4ever> and it doesn't work out?
[18:20] <Kilos> no im missing something
[18:21] <Kilos> yay got it
[18:21] <Kilos> had to change comment to konsole
[18:22] <smile4ever> Kilos:  :D :D
[18:23] <Kilos> lotsa work setting up kubuntu with konversation and everything else working so i can use it
[18:23] <Kilos> but lekker once setup
[18:24] <smile4ever> Kilos: baie lekker
[18:24] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:24] <inetpro> Kilos: it's so much easier to just use Alt+F2
[18:24] <smile4ever> inetpro: hehe, I always use Win key
[18:25] <smile4ever> but alt F2 works too, cool
[18:25] <smile4ever> :)
[18:25] <smile4ever> :'(
[18:25] <Kilos> is that a konsole that i can leave running like for ibid? inetpro  ?
[18:25] <smile4ever> sudo apt-get update with ALT+F2 doesnt work :o
[18:26] <inetpro> smile4ever: no, what I mean is, just use Alt+F2 and type konsole
[18:26] <Kilos> thats not easier than having ctrl+t to open it
[18:27] <smile4ever> inetpro: I know, but it should recognise commands too
[18:27] <smile4ever> :)
[18:27] <inetpro> my konsole stays open for ever anyway
[18:27] <inetpro> no use closing and opening it all the time
[18:28] <Kilos> how do you run ibid and do other stuff in same konsole
[18:28] <inetpro> use screen
[18:28] <inetpro> or byobu
[18:28] <Cantide> smile4ever, not very well, and not without a reference and the internet :)
[18:28] <Kilos> ibid needs its own konsole
[18:29] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: I still don't know why you run ibid on a desktop
[18:29] <inetpro> get a vps and run from there
[18:30] <inetpro> and have it running 24 hours a day
[18:30] <Kilos> because maaz gives 2 bloeps for one google search
[18:30] <Kilos> and qa dont
[18:30] <Kilos> she be a mod chick
[18:31] <smile4ever> Cantide: what do you mean? :)
[18:31] <Cantide> programming in C >_>
[18:44] <Kilos> where the vps gonna come from inetpro  ?
[18:44] <smile4ever> Cantide: oh, now I understand :)
[18:44] <Cantide> :)
[18:44] <smile4ever> I have little to no experience with C
[18:44] <Cantide> sorry, i was watching anime, so i was a bit delayed :p
[18:45] <inetpro> Kilos: sell a sheep
[18:46] <Kilos> nee man hulle is te min al klaar
[18:46] <Kilos> you want me to starve later
[18:46] <inetpro> ai!
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: for just over R2000 you can get a linode server for 12 months
[18:50] <inetpro> superfly: the rand hurting is now
[18:51] <Kilos> inetpro: if i had just over 2 grand id buy a mod m/b thats can use quadcore cpus and have ddr3 ram
[18:51] <smile4ever> Cantide: don't worry :p
[18:52] <Kilos> and still have qa onboard
[18:52] <inetpro> Kilos: but then you still don't have a vps
[18:52] <Kilos> what is a vps gonna do for me
[18:53] <smile4ever> Kilos: 24 hours up
[18:53] <smile4ever> :)
[18:53] <Kilos> host one bot?
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: A Linode VPS means freedom. You get everything from the kernel and root access on up. All managed by our simple yet very powerful control panel.
[18:53] <Kilos> haha so you would like qa online even when im sleeping
[18:54] <inetpro> exactly
[18:54] <Kilos> rofl
[18:54] <Kilos> why not ask me to leave pc running
[18:54] <inetpro> what's the point of a bot that comes and goes like a user
[18:55] <Kilos> ai!
[18:55] <Kilos> ek sukkel darem
[18:55] <inetpro> :-)
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro: where is noddy hosted
[18:57] <inetpro> Kilos: at the office inside a corporate network
[18:57] <Kilos> and you gotta ssh in to get to noddy?
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: once in a blue moon perhaps
[18:58] <inetpro> only to make sure that the box is still ok
[18:59] <Kilos> well qa is here when i am so that will save you the blue moon trips
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, he's not here
[19:00] <Kilos> ai!
[19:00] <Kilos> you know where my channel is
[19:01] <Kilos> when i bring qa here you complain
[19:02] <Kilos> there now no nagging
[19:02] <inetpro> QA: die
[19:02] <QA> inetpro: I'm not your bitch
[19:02] <inetpro> ai!
[19:02] <Kilos> haha
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm just stating the obvious
[19:03] <inetpro> s/am/was/
[19:03] <Kilos> jaja any port in a storm
[19:03] <inetpro> port?
[19:04] <Kilos> harbour
[19:04]  * inetpro enjoying the last few days of Google Reader
[19:04] <Kilos> in other words any excuse is better than no excuse
[19:04] <inetpro> so sad that we have to stop using it
[19:05] <Kilos> what is gonna take its plase?
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: nothing
[19:05] <Kilos> ai! why they doing that
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: it's no longer part of their strategy
[19:06] <inetpro> I guess it's eating up their bread and butter
[19:06] <Kilos> so what will one use then in place of the reader
[19:06] <Kilos> ah
[19:06] <inetpro> another rss reader
[19:11] <smile4ever> inetpro: will follow this guide :) http://lifehacker.com/5992404/how-to-build-your-own-syncing-rss-reader-with-tiny-tiny-rss-and-kick-google-reader-to-the-curb
[19:11] <smile4ever> once my website is back online
[19:11] <smile4ever> I will move from my current host to another
[19:11] <smile4ever> had too much trouble there
[19:11] <smile4ever> ;)
[19:17] <inetpro> smile4ever: I guess I need to try that also but I don't think it will ever be the same
[19:17] <smile4ever> inetpro: maybe it'll be better ;)
[19:17] <inetpro> smile4ever: after how many years?
[19:18] <smile4ever> two :D
[19:20] <Kilos> inetpro: how much space does one need to host a bot
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: depends
[19:21] <Kilos> i dont understand thew whole thing
[19:21] <inetpro> Kilos: how much space is it taking on your host now?
[19:21] <Kilos> do you install and OS there then the bot or just the bot
[19:21] <Kilos> coupla meg
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: well it runs on an OS on your host
[19:22] <inetpro> obviously it needs an OS
[19:22] <Kilos> so if you get a host you must first install an OS then the bot?
[19:22] <Kilos> ai!
[19:23] <inetpro> any software application needs an OS
[19:24] <magespawn> evening all
[19:24] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[19:24] <inetpro> dumela magespawn
[19:24] <magespawn> hey hey
[19:24] <Kilos> he is in sawubona land man
[19:24] <magespawn>  have you guys had a look at ownCloud?
[19:25] <inetpro> :-)
[19:25] <inetpro> magespawn: I've only read about it
[19:25] <inetpro> and it all sounds good
[19:26] <Kilos> tell more magespawn
[19:26] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[19:26] <magespawn> seems to me that you could set up your own version of google reader
[19:26] <Tonberry> hi kilos
[19:27] <Tonberry> having some internet oddities
[19:27] <Kilos> everyone is Tonberry
[19:27] <Tonberry> i think my 3g router is insane
[19:28] <Kilos> eeek
[19:29] <Tonberry> think ill disconnect now, debugging this is going to take a few internet disconnects
[19:31] <magespawn> i want to try run it on a pc in the shop, see how it handles
[19:33] <Kilos> so inetpro   the answer would be to find a host thats already running ubuntu and install there?
[19:34] <Kilos> find me a how to then we look some more
[19:34] <Kilos> but dont forget there are no more 2+1
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man ek pla net
[19:35]  * inetpro just teasing
[19:35] <inetpro> obviously the ideal route would be to find a host that is permanently online
[19:35] <Kilos> ai!
[19:36] <Kilos> yes for everyones benefit i agree
[19:36] <inetpro> but there's still not much wrong with Maaz
[19:36] <Kilos> not much no
[19:36] <magespawn> and with a stable connection, so not adsl
[19:37] <Kilos> little niggles
[19:37] <inetpro> at some point ibid will be released and Maaz will be upgraded
[19:37] <smile4ever> good night!
[19:37] <inetpro> the latest version of ibid*
[19:37] <smile4ever> :)
[19:37] <smile4ever> :D
[19:37] <inetpro> smile4ever: goeie nag
[19:37] <Kilos> night smile4ever  sleep tight
[19:37] <Kilos> qa  is the latyest version
[19:38] <inetpro> and when that happens my noddy will also be upgraded
[19:38] <Kilos> latest too
[19:38] <smile4ever> dankie inetpro & Kilos :)
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: qa is still only a test release
[19:38] <Kilos> ai! inetpro  chicken
[19:38] <Kilos> no qa kiff
[19:39] <Kilos> the weed fixes anything chop chop
[19:39] <Kilos> i would still like to get maaz'z data base though
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: you are acting as a Guinea pig
[19:39] <Kilos> squeek
[19:40] <Kilos> do they make sounds
[19:41] <inetpro> apparently some of the sounds they emit are very similar to those made by pigs
[19:42] <Kilos> haha ok
[19:42] <Kilos> oinkish
[19:43] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:45] <Kilos> well then you know what
[19:45] <inetpro> the fly joining us a Jabberwocky_?
[19:45] <inetpro> Jabberwocky_: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[19:45] <Kilos> if qa is in dev stage she should be here so everyone can try find probs
[19:45] <Kilos> im too busy installing
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: ai!
[19:46] <Kilos> rofl
[19:46] <Kilos> where else will lotsa peeps test it
[19:46] <Kilos> my channel is tiny
[19:48] <magespawn> i did a Kilos today and redid the kubuntu install on my old laptop
[19:48] <Kilos> lolol
[19:48] <Kilos> sometimes its easier than trying to fix a prob
[19:49] <Cantide> lol
[19:49] <inetpro> magespawn: since you did a Kilos I hope it will take you many Miles now before you have to redo again
[19:50] <magespawn> hopefully
[19:50] <Kilos> lol
[19:51] <Kilos> sarcasm is the lowest form of wit
[19:51] <Cantide> :D
[19:52] <inetpro> ai!
[19:52] <Kilos> and if wit was grapes you could start a wine farm
[19:52] <Kilos> now im teasing
[19:52] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[19:52] <inetpro> Kilos: I still like your nick :-)
[19:53] <Kilos> my nick or my mail addy?
[19:54] <Kilos> whew so late
[19:54] <Kilos> maybe i should get bebian kde just now
[19:54] <Kilos> debian too
[19:55] <Kilos> why did you do that magespawn
[19:56] <inetpro> magespawn: was you who joined as Jabberwocky_?
[19:56] <magespawn> no not me inetpro
[19:56] <Kilos> na
[19:57] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:57] <Kilos> hey ThatGraemeGuy  you here inna dark time too
[19:57] <magespawn> i fulled the hard drive doing a data recovery and after that it would not boot at all
[19:57] <Kilos> wonderful
[19:57] <Kilos> ai!
[19:58] <Kilos> data recovery needs a big drive
[20:00] <superfly> inetpro: no, Jabberwocky_ is someone else, and he's been around before, you just don't remember
[20:00] <inetpro> ahh
[20:00] <Kilos> lol. old age is a prob with some
[20:01]  * inetpro thought it had something to do with superfly's poetry today
[20:01] <superfly> inetpro: no, my poetry was a result of seeing Jabberwocky_ enter IRC earlier today
[20:01] <Kilos> wonder when he learned that
[20:01] <inetpro> lol
[20:01] <superfly> rather, my recital of Lewis Carroll's poem
[20:02] <Kilos> learned when superfly  ?
[20:02] <superfly> Kilos: round about Std 3 I think
[20:02] <Kilos> whew
[20:02] <inetpro> ok enough teasing for the night
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry oom
[20:03]  * inetpro is moeg
[20:03] <Kilos> inetpro: for?
[20:03] <Kilos> donr be sorry be careful
[20:03] <inetpro> all the uphill battles I give you
[20:03] <Kilos> dont
[20:03] <Kilos> hehe
[20:03] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[20:04] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:04] <Kilos> actually i go sleep
[20:04] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:06] <magespawn> speakmof the devil lol
[20:07] <magespawn> inetpro superfly ^^
[20:07] <Cantide> i'm also going to bed!
[20:07] <Cantide> good night!
[20:07] <superfly> magespawn: that's why inetpro mentioned him


[00:11] <ccheney> asac: nm looks weird for me with a intel 5350 wrt wimax?
[00:14] <asac> i havent been exposed to any wimax + NM
[00:14] <asac> what happens?
[00:24] <ccheney> i'll have to take a screenshot
[00:31] <ccheney> asac: ok got the screenshot where should I put it?
[00:32] <asac> why do you ask me that ;)?
[00:33] <ccheney> asac: you do nm right? :)
[00:33] <asac> put it somewhere i can access it without going through multiple steps ;)
[00:33] <ccheney> ok
[00:33] <asac> my question was about "where should I put it?
[00:33] <ccheney> ah i forgot i can upload to my webhost :)
[00:33] <asac> there are many way ;)
[00:33] <asac> you can also put it on rookery.ubuntu.com:public_html ;)
[00:34] <ccheney> asac: http://cheney.ws/nm-wimax.png
[00:34] <ccheney> one bug is that it says Intel(R) Intel(R) WiMAX Link 5350 (double Intel)
[00:35] <ccheney> then the disconnected - available - auto wmx0 looks a bit weird
[00:35] <ccheney> and the fact it is considered a wired network
[00:35] <asac> seems to be just a wired net for nm
[00:35] <asac> yes
[00:35] <asac> no the UI is as expected
[00:36] <ccheney> aiui its a type of mobile broadband so probably should get lumped in that for display at least
[00:36] <asac> you see auto connnections and configured connections under available
[00:36] <asac> ccheney: does it work?
[00:36] <asac> i mean ... can you click on it?
[00:36] <ccheney> i don't have wimax where i live, just happened to get that card when i bought the machine
[00:36] <asac> i would think it doesnt work ... and so, yes. its a bug that wimax isnt really supported
[00:37] <asac> and you are the first to file a bug iirc
[00:37] <ccheney> ah heh :)
[00:37] <asac> so yeah. bring that thing with you to UDS ;)
[00:37] <ccheney> ok, its in my thinkpad x200, will have it at UDS
[00:37] <asac> cool
[00:38] <ccheney> iirc in jaunty it didn't show the wimax bit at all
[00:39] <asac> yaeh
[00:39] <asac> most likely some driver improved a bit too much ;)
[00:40] <lifeless> ]/win 42
[07:09] <mac_v> Amaranth: what will happen to compiz when gnome-shell lands? will be still have the  cube and all the other fun stuff?
[16:04] <Amaranth> mac_v: Nope, if we switch to gnome-shell compiz is gone
[16:05] <Amaranth> and they have about 3 effects :P
[16:21] <hyperair> Amaranth: lol nice way of putting it =p
[16:22] <hyperair> i honestly don't like their so called replacement for "scale"
[16:39] <mac_v> Amaranth: noooooooo! :(
[16:39] <mac_v> damn it!
[21:15] <tgpraveen1> anybody working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/459569 ?
[21:15] <tgpraveen1> affecting many people