[07:51] <nUboon2Age> there will be an Ubuntu event to address the "digital divide" this Sunday in San Mateo 3-5pm at Re-Computer.org.  The announcement is at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2124/detail/ and at http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-SV/events/91900552/
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[20:20] <bkerensa> Happy Early Turkey Day
[20:20] <bkerensa> :)
[20:34] <pleia2> turkey day eve perhaps :)
[21:50] <raevol> steam linux beta invite! eee!
[21:50] <raevol> gotta get home from work T_T
[21:55] <bkerensa> lol
[21:55] <bkerensa> :D


[10:19] <ev> ugh, how exactly is one supposed to clear text in plymouth
[10:31] <CIA-37> wubi: evand * r236 diskimage/data/wubildr-disk.cfg: Fix kernel command line
[10:35] <CIA-37> wubi: evand * r237 diskimage/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Re-enable other distros.


[19:39] <Mohan_chml> O_O
[19:39] <Mohan_chml> IS HE A BOT?? O_o
[19:40] <phillw> hiyas everyone, please meet the newest member of the team, ubuntulo1, our logging bot. This means you will be able to search logs for questions and answers. I'll get some documentation written up a.s.a.p.
[19:40]  * Mohan_chml read it as UBUNTULOL :P
[19:41] <Mohan_chml> sowwie for that :P
[19:41] <phillw> only you could do that :p
[19:41] <phillw> hello, is it national change nick day?
[19:42] <squinky> There was a namespace problem with the bot apparently... I just saw it when I entered the channel so I fixed it
[19:42] <phillw> again, thanks squinky :-)
[19:42] <squinky> np
[19:43] <phillw> one of the canonical system admin people, very nice person.
[19:43] <squinky> all lies!
[19:43] <phillw> oooh, looks like the logging is working :p
[19:47] <Mohan_chml> O_O
[19:47] <Mohan_chml> mu eyes were in the log?? O_o
[19:55] <phillw> Mohan_chml: lol, I've now to remember how to op myself and add the link for the logs to the topic :-)
[19:55] <Mohan_chml> you want me to help there ?? :P
[19:56] <Mohan_chml> phillw: whats his prefix?
[19:56] <phillw> I will ask on #devil
[19:56] <Mohan_chml> missed one # :P
[19:56] <phillw> ##devil
[19:56] <Mohan_chml> :P
[19:57] <Mohan_chml> phillw: OP the bot
[19:57] <Mohan_chml> if and only if you are having its whole contro
[19:57] <Mohan_chml> *l
[19:57] <Mohan_chml> or NEVER DO THAT
[20:01] <Mohan_chml> !grub
[20:01] <Mohan_chml> :o wrong prefix :P
[20:04] <Mohan_chml> OMGz Now I see who the founder is
[20:05] <phillw> yup,
[20:10] <Mohan_chml> hyperair: are you around?
[20:26] <Mohan_chml> Awesome
[20:27]  * Mohan_chml removes the channel operator status from phillw
[20:27] <Mohan_chml> :P
[20:30] <bioterror> I could /exec -o cat  some ascii files ;)
[20:30] <Mohan_chml> (:
[20:40] <Kurdistan> hey guys
[20:40] <Kurdistan> I have problem with booting from usb
[20:41] <Kurdistan> same usb works well with a friends computer
[20:41] <Kurdistan> this comes up when I press enter: Could not find kernel image
[20:44] <Mohan_chml> Kurdistan: is it 19.19 ?
[20:44] <Mohan_chml> aww 10.10
[20:44] <Mohan_chml> sorry for the typo :(
[20:44] <Kurdistan> 10.04
[20:45] <Kurdistan> tried to make lubuntu maverick bootable usb
[20:45] <Kurdistan> works great for my friend
[20:45] <Kurdistan> tried both lubuntu maverick and peppermint
[20:46] <Kurdistan> with ubuntu usb-creator and uneetbootin
[20:46] <Mohan_chml> maverick has some prooblems with Bootable USB for now
[20:46] <Mohan_chml> the bug is triaged and the work is under progress
[20:47] <Kurdistan> mohan okey I see
[20:47] <Kurdistan> I will try lubuntu lucid iso image
[20:47] <phillw> Kurdistan: some computers say they can boot from usb, but cannot. I use 10.04 to make usb boot devices, seems to work better than unetbootin.
[20:47] <Mohan_chml> But the strange thing is, it is working in your friend's machine
[20:47] <Kurdistan> I tried peppermint os based on lubuntu and ubuntu lucid
[20:47] <Kurdistan> it worked great for my friend
[20:48] <Kurdistan> phillw when I press F12, 3 option pop ups. one is booting from usb storage.
[20:48] <Kurdistan> then nothing happens
[20:48] <Kurdistan> when I press enter
[20:49] <Kurdistan> Could not find kernel image <<-- comes up
[20:49] <Mohan_chml> Kurdistan: you tried from other ports too?
[20:49] <phillw> Kurdistan: within that, there may a couple of usb options. else it is possible that your bios is telling lies, I had a devil of a time setting my 'boot from usb' up on this laptop.
[20:49] <Kurdistan> Mohan_chml yes
[20:49] <Kurdistan> I can try to format with fat16 or ex3
[20:49] <Kurdistan> it maybe will help
[20:50] <Kurdistan> phillw the bios looks clean
[20:50] <Mohan_chml> Kurdistan: ext3 will be comfortable
[20:50] <Kurdistan> but can you give me advice?
[20:50] <phillw> Kurdistan: try botting in via 10.04 and your friends machine and use that machine to make a 10.10 usb device
[20:51] <Kurdistan> :) I use my friends battery
[20:51] <phillw> else, as Mohan_chml says, just stick with 10.04 until they get the bug sorted.
[20:51] <Kurdistan> guys I will try to format the usb with fat16
[20:51] <Kurdistan> if thats not working out
[20:51] <Kurdistan> I will wait
[20:52] <Mohan_chml> Good luck Kurdistan
[20:52] <Mohan_chml> (:
[20:52] <Kurdistan> :) thx dear friend
[20:52] <Kurdistan> brb
[20:52] <Mohan_chml> okies
[20:52] <Kurdistan> :) I can be inlogged
[20:53] <Mohan_chml> (:
[20:53]  * Mohan_chml falls doen to phillw's laps and sleeps
[20:53] <Mohan_chml> down*
[20:53] <phillw> Mohan_chml: I told you to keep that quiet :p
[20:54] <Mohan_chml> OMG w00t?
[20:55] <phillw> should make interesting reading in the irc.logs !!!!
[20:56]  * Mohan_chml enables quite mode and plasters his mouth
[20:58] <Kurdistan> trying format with gparted
[20:59] <Kurdistan> does this take time?
[20:59] <Kurdistan> how does the new beta of lubuntu works for you guys?
[21:16] <gos> Hi,  Applications menu in Lubuntu lxde can it be changed to a less minimalist and better looking?
[21:19] <Kurdistan> :) I fixed my own problem
[21:19] <Kurdistan> format it to ex3 solved my issue
[21:20] <Kurdistan> lubuntu maverick here I come :)
[21:20] <Kurdistan> brb
[21:27] <gos> i need a menu like gnomenu for lxde
[21:28] <phillw> gos: that would require more 'eye candy' and therefore greater resources of the computer it is running on. The constant battle to maintain "A Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MiB of RAM is probably a bottom-line configuration" is not easy for the developers to comply to, but the decision is that lubuntu must be able to run on such a machine.
[21:29] <gos> ok but my computer have 2g of ram and 2mhz cpu
[21:31] <phillw> gos: you are welcome to install whatever you want, have a quick look at http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 to see some of the crazy things we've done to our lubuntu installations :-)
[21:35] <gos> phillw, I also have modified it a little Lubuntu: http://picasaweb.google.es/112370194056728732538/Gos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMri5qmjk5-2vQE#slideshow/5520754863970339970
[21:37] <phillw> I'd like to link that to the 'crazy things we do' on my forum, with your permission.
[21:37] <gos> ok
[21:38] <gos> you have my license
[21:39] <phillw> would you email me the pics to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with a quick note to say it is okay to use them.
[21:40] <phillw> and when you get the time, would you email me with how you did it. It will not be in the official area, but as you can see; I do keep some unofficial stuff on the lubuntu area of my forum.
[21:41] <gos> ok now im very tired but i will do it more later
[21:48] <phillw> thanks gos
[21:50] <gos> phillw, gnomenu developer should make a cool menu for lxde
[21:51] <phillw> gos: we don't use gnome, too resource hungry.
[21:52] <phillw> but work is being carried out on things like lxappearance etc.
[21:53] <gos> yes because the lxde menu is very ugly  and minimalist
[21:58] <phillw> gos, as i stated earlier; that is a resource issue. Eye candy uses RAM and processor power, there are fully fledged ubuntu with full gnome stuff. that is not the target for lubuntu.
[21:59] <gos> phillw, but Lubuntu  is faster, boots faster, lighter, saves more energy in the battery, which ubuntu, but have to work hard on your desktop to be as usable as a desktop in ubuntu
[21:59] <floating> thinking of installing a linux os to a netbook and thought i try lubuntu. i read this log mentioning a bug and problems installing 10.10 beta/alpha from the usbstick.. should I install 10.04, or wait some days til 10.10 is released, or just try the beta now
[22:00] <phillw> floating: for some it is working fine, but it is still a pre-release. Either use the 10.04 or wait until 10th October (possibly 11th for lubuntu 10.10).
[22:01] <Seq> I've installed Lubuntu 10.10 Beta 2 successfully from a USB stick today and it worked well, except that the USB stick showed a command prompt
[22:02] <Seq> after typing in "help" and using the enter key the stick booted
[22:02] <floating> you used unetbootin for it ?
[22:03] <Seq> no USB-Creator-GTK in Xubuntu 10.10
[22:03] <Seq> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/617779
[22:03] <phillw> the draft notes for the beta2 are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2 I've fully transferred them yet.
[22:03] <floating> ok
[22:04] <phillw> *I've not fully transferred them yet*
[22:04] <gos> loating with Lubuntu 10.04.1 lts I have not had any problem of mistakes or errors in this distribution
[22:04] <gos> floating
[22:05] <gos> floating, only with the limitations of your desktop
[22:05] <phillw> 10.04 is a stable release, 10.10 is in its final test phase.
[22:06] <Timo_> hi phillw!
[22:06] <Seq> and Lubuntu 10.04 is not a LTS release (although it will be provided with Ubuntu related updates anyway)
[22:06] <floating> joh. i probably can keep busy doing something else and come back to it around 10th , but good to know
[22:06] <phillw> hiyas Timo_ :-)
[22:07] <Timo_> nice work on the log bot :D
[22:07] <phillw> Timo_: I nagged them into submission :p
[22:08] <Timo_> hehe
[22:08] <gos> seq in my desktop i have l10.04.1:http://picasaweb.google.es/112370194056728732538/Gos?authkey=Gv1sRgCMri5qmjk5-2vQE#slideshow/5520754863970339970
[22:08] <phillw> Timo_: in all fairness, we are not officially adopted, it was nice of them to approve of the channel having it.
[22:09] <Timo_> yup, but this is yet another step forward into getting it adopted!
[22:09] <Timo_> Question! I've got lubuntu beta 1 on my desktop, can I upgrade to beta2 from within the system? I think yes?
[22:10] <phillw> Yup, I do not the us knocked back on something silly.
[22:10] <phillw> Timo_: the updates will come automatically to you.
[22:10] <gos> i have lubuntu 10.04.1 lts land my distribution  is lubuntu
[22:11] <phillw> gos: the extra .1 was added by ubuntu as part of the continued support of an LTS (even though lubuntu 10.04 is not LTS).
[22:12] <nhandler> !lxterminal | phillw :)
[22:12] <phillw> things like the kernel etc, are updated accross all the family
[22:12] <phillw> nhandler: well cool :D thanks !!!!!
[22:14] <phillw> nhandler: and no doubt you saw me getting the log bot onto the channel as well :-)  You're a true star !!
[22:14]  * phillw likes making nhandler blush
[22:14] <gos> Does my support Lubuntu ltd will be of 3 years?
[22:15] <phillw> gos: the kernel system will be supported as per a LTS, but the lubuntu part is still evolving.
[22:18] <nhandler> phillw: I didn't do much with either of those things ;)
[22:18] <gos> Lubuntu applications will be reviewed or corrected?
[22:19] <murat> hey guys
[22:19] <murat> :) I use lubuntu
[22:19] <phillw> gos: any serious bugs are corrected, I'm not too sure on the adding of extra functions during an LTS series. I do know it requires heavy testing to get something altered for an LTS.
[22:19] <Guest12315> brb its kurdistan
[22:20] <Kurdistan> hey again
[22:20] <Kurdistan> I want to report a bug
[22:20] <nhandler> hyperair or phillw: Can one of you run the second command on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots to set an entrymsg ?
[22:20] <phillw> nhandler: but you tell me where to go nag, badger cajole etc.
[22:21] <Kurdistan> when I install nvidia closed drivers
[22:21] <Kurdistan> ubuntu spalsh screen comes up
[22:21] <Kurdistan> and it goes much slower
[22:21] <phillw> nhandler: I'll OP myself.
[22:21] <Kurdistan> when I use the opensource nvidia drivers it is fast
[22:21] <nhandler> phillw: You don't need to OP yourself to run that command
[22:21] <phillw> Kurdistan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Maverick/Beta/2 has the known bugs in the beta2
[22:22] <nhandler> phillw: Might I also suggest doing: /msg chanserv flags #lubuntu *!*@freenode/staff/* +votiA       ? That will give freenode staff access to intervene in an emergency if the channel operators are not around
[22:22] <phillw> nhandler: let me try...
[22:23] <Kurdistan> but nothing about installing closed nvdia drivers
[22:23] <Kurdistan> make computer run slower and ubuntu splash screen comes up when you make restart
[22:23] <Kurdistan> both when it shoots down
[22:24] <Kurdistan> and same thing with upstarts
[22:24] <Kurdistan> why didnt you guys have software center from ubuntu preinstalled?
[22:25] <Kurdistan> much easier for newbies
[22:26] <phillw> nhandler: I'll have to ask hyperair to issue the freenode staff operation, I do not have authority.
[22:26] <nhandler> phillw: Yeah, sorry. I meant to hilight hyperair on that one. You need +f
[22:27] <gilir> Kurdistan, do you try to run software-center in lubuntu ? it's use 3x more memory than the whole lubuntu session :)
[22:27] <Kurdistan> other then that lubuntu works good :) I will give it a try
[22:27] <Kurdistan> gilir lubuntu session? lubuntu does not have software center only ubuntus synaptic
[22:28] <phillw>  /msg cs DEOP #lubuntu phillw
[22:28] <Kurdistan> gilir the problem with closed nvidia drivers and the problem are you aware of it?
[22:29] <Kurdistan> I get the ubuntu splash screen on upstart/shotdown
[22:29] <Kurdistan> It goes hell slower
[22:29] <Kurdistan> to be exact 10 sec
[22:29] <Kurdistan> it does not make any speed improvent from a normal ubuntu upstart
[22:29] <gilir> Kurdistan, it seems that nvidia drivers are slow on maverick, didn't investigate more
[22:30] <Kurdistan> gilir does lubuntu lucid work better or can I wait for it to work
[22:30] <Kurdistan> I need it to :) see soccer on tv one day
[22:31] <Kurdistan> only reason I use the closed nvidia drivers
[22:31] <Kurdistan> :) I really hope this problem will be solved
[22:32] <Kurdistan> then I will be stuck with your guys forever :)
[22:32] <gilir> Kurdistan, I don't know, I didn't benchmark the 2 situations
[22:33] <phillw> gilir: when do you think hyperair will be next about?
[22:33] <hyperair> phillw: now.
[22:33] <Kurdistan> okey, thats bad.
[22:33] <hyperair> phillw: what's going on?
[22:33] <phillw> hiyas hyperair can you issue the command for the freenode staff, I do not sufficient authority.
[22:34] <hyperair> phillw: what command for freenode staff?
[22:34] <phillw> hyperair: nhandler: phillw: Might I also suggest doing: /msg chanserv flags #lubuntu *!*@freenode/staff/* +votiA       ? That will give freenode staff access to intervene in an emergency if the channel operators are not around
[22:34]  * hyperair is unaware of any such command
[22:34] <Kurdistan> I really hope it will be solved. otherwise I will install the old lady :) ubuntu
[22:35] <Kurdistan> guys brb will try one thing
[22:35] <hyperair> phillw: okay, i've added it to the access list.
[22:36] <phillw> thanks, I tend to do as I'm told when certain things are 'hinted' at :-)
[22:36] <hyperair> ?
[22:36] <hyperair> hinted?
[22:36] <phillw> suggested
[22:36] <hyperair> i know what the word means, i don't know what you mean by that entire sentence.
[22:36] <hyperair> meant*
[22:37] <phillw> it was suggested we give the freenode staffers emergency access, in case the current three OP's are not around.
[22:38] <hyperair> ahokay
[22:38] <hyperair> i'd have thought that they could easily override chanserv to give them access on their own though =\
[22:39] <phillw> possibly, but it more polite to ask :-)
[22:39] <hyperair> heh
[22:39] <hyperair> i mean if the situation arises where this privilege is needed
[22:41] <Timo_> why would such event happen, we're on freenode! Only nice blokesi n here! :D
[22:41]  * phillw has had a good read of http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml as per a request made to me. Hopefully things never to come to the point of having to kick, but as lubuntu gets a wider audience it is sadly inevitable we will get trolls.
[22:58] <Kurdistan> back
[22:58] <Kurdistan> I removed the splash screen :)
[22:59] <Kurdistan> sudo leafpad /etc/default/grub and removed quite splash
[22:59] <Kurdistan> :) now it is only few second slower
[22:59] <Kurdistan> but thats good for me :P
[23:00] <Kurdistan> :) think when some bugs are fixed it will be fantastic
[23:02] <Kurdistan> :( you guys promised me lxde control center
[23:02] <Kurdistan> there is no control center
[23:05] <Kurdistan> brb
[23:21] <Kurdistan> back
[23:21] <Kurdistan> were is the control center?
[23:35] <bioterror> hahahah man I cant stand that bootscreen thingie
[23:35] <bioterror> half of the time it's so fucked up that it's worthless
[23:35] <bioterror> rather have normal init scripts shown
[23:40] <Kurdistan> :) everybody is sleeping
[23:40] <bioterror> I should b
[23:40] <bioterror> e
[23:41] <Kurdistan> guys I hope you will fix all major bugs to 10 oct
[23:41] <Kurdistan> I think people that install closed driver will be confused if they se ubuntu splash screen on shotdown and startup
[23:45] <Kurdistan> I hope I am not hard on you guys


[02:10] <imgbot> [03:40] <imgbot> [03:40] <imgbot> [07:54] <Saviq> trainguards, is it expected that dist-upgrade from PPAs doesn't really work? the 1001 priority for overlay made it so that, for example: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10995761/
[07:56] <Saviq> citrain tool might work because it disables the archive before upgrading?
[08:08] <sil2100> Saviq: hey! I think to answer this question I would have to poke infinity first
[08:09] <Saviq> sil2100, sure, just trying to pre-empt any unforeseen problems - at the very least people need to be informed how to deal with that
[08:09] <Saviq> sil2100, because if they just go add-apt-repository silofoo, the dist-upgrade won't work
[08:21] <Mirv> Saviq: weird
[08:32] <Mirv> sil2100: are teams branching for vivid automatically or should they be pushed? I mean, the first two phone related wily landings are now brewing
[08:32] <Mirv> sil2100: it'd seem like so at least for the indicator-messages and indicator-network, so I guess teams are doing that correctly
[08:33] <Mirv> on the other hand, those are both on desktop too so it's obvious they need the branches
[08:53] <sil2100> Mirv: I think we need to discuss that still
[08:57] <Mirv> Saviq: I can confirm your problem. this is a very recent thing (related to wily release?) since I was successfully upgrading + testing last week still.
[08:58] <Mirv> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10996141/
[08:58] <Saviq> Mirv, yes, there's a new prefs file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/
[08:59] <sil2100> Mirv, Saviq: the archive pinning was enabled only yesterday
[09:00] <sil2100> That's why it's a recent change
[09:05] <Mirv> citrain tool doesn't work either
[09:06] <Mirv> jibel: ^ QA needs to be aware that silo upgrades currently don't work (by default) either via apt or citrain tool
[09:06] <Mirv> so if one trusts the citrain tool the device is not really upgraded
[09:07] <jibel> Mirv, if by "doesn't work" you mean silos must be pinned with a higher score than the overlay PPA, it's part of our silo testing instruction
[09:07] <jibel> s
[09:08] <jibel> Mirv, citrain tool must be fixed indeeed
[09:11] <Mirv> jibel: oh, yes I mean that. then no problem, excellent!
[09:12] <jibel> Mirv, np, thanks for the heads up. The public doc has not been updated, fixing it.
[09:12] <Mirv> filed bug #1452190
[09:16] <jibel> Mirv, FYI https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/SiloTestingGuidelines#Install_silos_with_overlay_PPA_enabled
[09:33] <pete-woods> trainguards: hi guys. any chance of getting my silo request (line 58) allocated? or have I missed something?
[09:35] <sil2100> pete-woods: it looks like we have no free silos right now
[09:36] <pete-woods> sil2100: ah right, that explains it then!
[09:36] <sil2100> pete-woods: so until we have some free, there's no possibility of allocating one...
[09:36] <pete-woods> frustrating when half the silos are "ready to build"
[09:37] <sil2100> Yeah...
[09:38] <pete-woods> although I kinda think that silos should be dynamically allocated by the citrain system
[09:38] <sil2100> Kaleo, dbarth_, greyback__, rsalveti: hey! I see you guys have assigned silos that are not built yet even
[09:38] <pete-woods> as opposed to being a static sresource
[09:38] <sil2100> pete-woods: it's one of the goals, we have plans of having ephemeral silos in the nearest future
[09:39] <pete-woods> nice!
[09:39] <sil2100> But it's still something we don't have
[09:39] <pete-woods> yeah, I understand you guys are super busy holding all this stuff together, while at the same time trying to make newer stuff
[09:40] <greyback__> sil2100: ah I got silo38, I must have missed the notification, thanks
[09:40] <sil2100> I think the ephemeral PPA task is actually on CI team's plate, so we just need to wait for them to find time
[09:42] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2: how's the 'delta' testing of the ubuntu-rtm image going?
[09:42] <jibel> sil2100, we are doing a full run, there are too many updates to just to a delta
[09:43] <jibel> sil2100, overall it's going well, there is a crash in HERE T&C when launched from the wizard
[09:43] <cjwatson> slangasek,sil2100,ogra_: On the nusakan crontab issue: the only good reason for VCS/live divergence right now is that system-image needs to append a few things to the crontab, which don't make sense in lp:ubuntu-cdimage because they require tools from elsewhere.  I very strongly believe that that needs to be split out; as a first step, I would suggest getting a new "system-image" user created on nusakan, and then we can move all the ...
[09:44] <cjwatson> ... system-image stuff across to there and it can have its own crontab
[09:44] <cjwatson> infinity: Not sure I understand the question.  Live filesystem builds aren't really "in" an archive - they have an archive, but it's a source rather than a target.
[09:45] <jibel> sil2100, almost 60% done
[09:45] <cjwatson> slangasek,sil2100,ogra_: (then, at some point before precise goes out of support, we can first move system-image into prodstack with devopsolution, then cdimage)
[09:45] <sil2100> jibel: crash? Didn't we fix that last time with the oxide upload?
[09:45] <jibel> sil2100, it has been fixed, it a slightly different case
[09:45] <jibel> +is
[09:46] <sil2100> cjwatson: hm, I wouldn't mind splitting out the system-image stuff to its own crontab, although I must say that I'm only using these parts on the cdimage user anyway
[09:47] <cjwatson> sil2100: I know, but they don't belong in the cdimage user
[09:48] <cjwatson> sil2100: system-image was (IMO wrongly) deployed under the same user, probably because it was expedient
[09:48] <cjwatson> sil2100: But there's really no good reason that it needs to be, and splitting it out to a separate user would be a good first step towards splitting it out to a separate machine
[09:49] <sil2100> +1
[12:11] <rsalveti> sil2100: I didn't allocate my silos, they were actually removed before the spreadsheet reset
[12:11] <sil2100> rsalveti: ah, ok :)
[12:11] <rsalveti> sil2100: so feel free to clean silo 34 and 36
[12:19] <jibel> sil2100, on the spreadsheet, how is the request id generated for clicks and tarballs, it is missing on some lines
[12:19] <jibel> ?
[12:25] <sil2100> jibel: it's generated by a trainguard by a button-press, but I didn't do that as I knew the scripts weren't re-targetted
[12:25] <sil2100> jibel: are you retargeting now?
[12:26] <sil2100> rsalveti: ACK
[12:28] <sil2100> rsalveti: thanks for the info :)
[12:34] <jibel> sil2100, I'm fixing the bot to create the cards for me
[12:35] <jibel> sil2100, but without a request id there is no way to differentiate landings
[12:36] <sil2100> jibel: I will be setting those as I was before if the bot will be retargetted - as mentioned, normally I was setting the UID everytime I saw the entry but didn't see any sense now since the scripts anyway didn't work
[12:36] <sil2100> One moment
[12:36] <jibel> sil2100, maybe we could just use a version number instead?
[12:37] <jibel> sil2100, since G + H + a version should be unique
[12:37] <jibel> and easier to parse by a human than a timestamp
[12:39] <sil2100> For the UID?
[12:39] <sil2100> What version number would you want to use?
[12:39] <sil2100> Do you use the UID number as a human, or only in scripts?
[12:51] <jibel> sil2100, for clicks it would be the version of the click package, for custom and device the same version that is on the image. If it makes sense. For standard silos, we can get the version from the PPA but for non-package landing it is nowhere
[12:54] <sil2100> Well, the idea is that the UID is generated by a landing team member in the similar way as we assign silos, so that we still keep control of what lands
[12:54] <sil2100> And I didn't want to diverge the UID mechanics from what we had in the main sheet
[12:54] <jibel> sil2100, ack, no problem.
[14:44] <boiko> is the latest vivid-proposed image broken on krillin for anyone else or is it just me?
[15:10] <infinity> cjwatson: Well, yes, there is no real "target", but there's the source where it's built, as you say.  And if you configure extra_ppas via the json/API, then request a cdimage build, you get build-in-primary, wich those PPAs configured.  If you use EXTRA_PPAS="foo bar", you get foo and bar as PPAs, but the livefs built in foo, rather than primary.  That's the bit I was saying was unintuitively different.
[15:10] <infinity> cjwatson: (And, indeed, is potential motivation to use EXTRA_PPAS instead of configuring the livefs via json, in case one wants, say, to be able to update livecd-rootfs/live-build in their PPA_
[15:11] <infinity> )
[15:14] <cjwatson> infinity: Oh, right - the archive is set in the requestBuild call, so you could reasonably change cdimage.livefs.live_build_lp_kwargs to try to fetch that from the livefs metadata if EXTRA_PPAS isn't set.
[15:16] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, one could.  I still think "use the first PPA" is a magic behaviour, though.  Probably breaking out an ARCHIVE= that mirrors the API's archive= would make more sense, for when people really want the build to happen elsewhere.  (it also means you can build in ARCHIVE= without it being configured in the final product via extra_ppas)
[15:16] <infinity> cjwatson: And I'll probably do that.  But was poking you to see if you had a good argument for the current behaviour before I break it. :P
[15:16] <cjwatson> infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10997753/
[15:17] <cjwatson> infinity: I think this is a reasonable default, but I have no problem with you adding ARCHIVE= that overrides it.  At the time I did this we didn't have a standard archive reference syntax.
[15:17] <cjwatson> But now we do, so we might as well use it.
[15:24] <fginther> slangasek, were you able to find what you needed regarding trunk branch transition to wily? If it helps to discuss over a hangout, I'm available
[16:00] <jibel> sil2100, can you add the same headers to the 'Tarballs' tab than the pending tab?
[16:01] <jibel> sil2100, row 3 of the pending sheet
[16:03] <sil2100> jibel: hm, ok, I think I'll make it look exactly the same as the first sheet
[16:05] <jibel> sil2100, works for me, I'd need uids for every new row too, otherwise the entry will be ignored
[16:12] <sil2100> Sure, for the new ones I'll make sure we assign those :)
[16:28] <dobey> fginther: hi. are all the config/job updates for wily done?
[16:31]  * sil2100 drives home in a few mins
[17:32] <fginther> dobey, we're still waiting on ISOs to be available to finish the work, but I can go ahead and move lp:unity-scope-click to wily if it's a blocker
[17:34] <dobey> oh ok, so there are no jenkins slaves set up for wily yet?
[17:34] <fginther> dobey, done, do you need an MP re-run?
[17:34] <fginther> dobey, the builders are setup for wily
[17:35] <dobey> i don't need an MP re-run, no. i'm just wondering so i can get landings through
[18:07] <dobey> fginther: can you move lp:ubuntuone-credentials to wily too?
[18:08] <dobey> oh i guess maybe lunch time over there now :)
[18:09] <fginther> dobey, done
[18:09] <fginther> and yes, your first ping found me at lunch
[18:10] <ogra_> he has people-tracking-pings ?
[18:10]  * ogra_ makes a note to get a pingshield
[18:10] <fginther> scary, isn'tit
[18:10] <dobey> heh
[18:10] <dobey> skynet is here.
[18:11] <dobey> fginther: hmm, we do have an MP for lp:unity-scope-click that was created on friday, which doesn't seem to have been picked up by ps-jenkins bot still.
[18:11] <dobey> fginther: https://code.launchpad.net/~kyrofa/unity-scope-click/utilize_cmake_extras/+merge/258049
[18:15] <fginther> dobey, ack. I'll ask the current vanguard to take a look as it's unrelated to the original topic we were on from yesterday...
[18:16] <dobey> ok
[18:16] <dobey> thanks
[18:16] <fginther> cihelp, please take a look at dobey's request on no CI for https://code.launchpad.net/~kyrofa/unity-scope-click/utilize_cmake_extras/+merge/258049
[18:17] <cprov> fginther: on it
[18:17] <fginther> thanks
[19:36] <dobey> cprov: any luck with that btw? i see it still hasn't been picked up yet
[19:39] <cprov> dobey: yup, https://code.launchpad.net/~kyrofa/unity-scope-click/utilize_cmake_extras/+merge/258049 just finished
[19:40] <dobey> cprov: ah ok, thanks!
[19:42] <cprov> dobey: I am not sure if the otto failure is genuine ... might be related with the missing ISO for wily.
[19:42] <cprov> dobey: err, s/might be/is
[19:43] <dobey> yeah
[19:43] <dobey> but i would expect those to fail anyway
[19:43] <dobey> they've always had problems with restarting unity8 and such
[19:52] <ogra_> imgbot, map 191
[19:52] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 191 maps to mako version: 225"
[19:52] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 191 maps to generic_x86 version: 217"
[19:52] <ogra_> imgbot, map 191 vivid
[19:52] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 191 maps to krillin version: 204"
[19:52] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 191 maps to generic_x86 version: 193"
[19:52] <ogra_> jhodapp, ^^
[19:52] <jhodapp> ogra_, nice :)
[19:53] <jhodapp> imgbot, map 186
[19:53] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 186 maps to mako version: 220"
[19:53] <imgbot> krillin rtm version: 186 maps to generic_x86 version: 212"
[19:53] <ogra_> (note it defaults to RTM)
[19:54] <jhodapp> ogra_, how do you do vivid?
[19:54] <ogra_> append vivid to the request
[19:54] <ogra_> imgbot, map 186 vivid
[19:54] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 186 maps to krillin version: 199"
[19:54] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 186 maps to generic_x86 version: 188"
[19:55] <jhodapp> ogra_, perfect, thanks
[19:55] <ogra_> i'll switch vivid to the default after RTM is gone
[19:55] <rsalveti> nice
[19:55] <ogra_> i should perhaps do that for #snappy too ;)
[19:56] <jhodapp> ogra_, +1
[20:24] <dobey> trainguards: can i get silos for lines 65/66, or we don't have silos available?
[20:30] <robru> dobey: ah, there is just one available. which one do you want first?
[20:33] <dobey> robru: 65, it'll go through fast
[20:52] <robru> dobey: sorry for the delay, 36 is ready
[20:53] <dobey> just started the build :)
[21:10] <nik90> hey guys, is there a document/link which shows all hotfixes that are making its way into OTA-3.5 considering that QA is testing it this week?
[21:10] <jhodapp> imgbot, map 180 vivid
[21:10] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 180 maps to krillin version: 193"
[21:10] <imgbot> mako ubuntu version: 180 maps to generic_x86 version: 182"
[21:11] <pmcgowan> nik90, https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/ww19-ota
[21:11] <nik90> pmcgowan: ah thnx :)
[21:11] <pmcgowan> np
[21:37] <robru> dobey: sigh, I just noticed there are 6 silos that are assigned but totally idle (never built, ppas empty). I'll free those and assign your other one
[21:38] <robru> dobey: no qa for 36?
[21:38] <robru> actually I guess that makes sense for wily.
[21:39] <dobey> robru: it's a simple change that only adds something to the autopilot helpers, the branch is from qa team, and no phone images for wily
[21:39] <robru> dobey: right, thanks
[21:39] <robru> publishing
[21:39] <dobey> thanks
[21:40] <dobey> i'll deal with the other one in the morning i guess. need to go now :)
[21:40] <robru> dobey: ok, it's22 when you're ready
[21:40] <dobey> k, thanks, i guess i can start the build now anyway, as that's easy :)
[21:43] <oSoMoN> trainguards: hey, can I have a silo for line 67, please?
[21:45] <robru> oSoMoN: https://youtu.be/rL5ZVljj4vg
[21:45] <oSoMoN> :)
[21:46] <robru> oSoMoN: ok, silo 4 prepped for you
[21:46] <oSoMoN> robru, thanks man
[21:46] <robru> oSoMoN: you're welcome
[21:47] <robru> alex-abreu: you around? I freed up some silos, but won't assign your requests until you confirm you're around to use them.
[22:57] <alesage> trainguards not finding jhodapp's qtubuntu-media changes in silo 25, instead dialer-app: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11000786/ , something I missed?
[22:58] <robru> alesage: dialer-app is coming from stable-phone-overlay, not silo 25.
[22:58] <alesage> robru I missed a memo :) , can you instruct?
[22:58] <robru> alesage: still looking, one sec
[22:59] <robru> alesage: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-025/+packages not sure what's going on exactly, the package is there in vivid
[23:01] <robru> alesage: so stable-phone-overlay is a blessed PPA that allows us to continue doing "vivid development" without actually destabilizing the official vivid archive. stuff published there gets rolled into phone images but not into desktop or server iimages.
[23:02] <alesage> robru, this change should appear in a fresh flash?  or. . . ?
[23:02] <robru> alesage: basically that's a red herring, it just means that dialer-app has been published since the last time an image was built.
[23:02] <robru> or at least since the image you're using was built
[23:03] <alesage> robru, hmpf sorry this overlay concept is new to me
[23:04] <alesage> robru, is the citrain tool the correct one to use in this case?
[23:04] <robru> alesage: no worries, it's just a PPA like any other, but it has special privileges.
[23:04] <robru> alesage: yeah it should be the same as far as I know
[23:04] <alesage> robru, o got it ok
[23:04] <robru> alesage: can you try like "adb shell sudo apt-get install qtubuntu-media" or something? that package is in the PPA and it's newer than what's in the overlay, I'm not sure why citrain tool won't install it
[23:04] <alesage> robru, but I think I'm missing the 25 intended change, if that makes sense
[23:04] <alesage> right ok one sec
[23:04] <robru> alesage: yeah, still trying to figure thatout
[23:06] <alesage> robru http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11000879/
[23:06] <alesage> possibly something newer came in and preempted?
[23:06] <robru> alesage: oh, the overlay must have pinned it...
[23:06] <alesage> aha
[23:07] <robru> slangasek: ^^ can you comment on that paste? seems lower version from overlay PPA is winning over silo ppa version.
[23:07] <robru> alesage: for now try "adb shell sudo apt-get install qtubuntu-media=0.7.1+15.04.20150428.1-0ubuntu1" and that should unblock you for testing that silo
[23:07] <alesage> robru, many thanks
[23:08] <robru> alesage: you're welcome
[23:29] <slangasek> robru: hah oh boy
[23:29] <slangasek> robru: yes, that's an unexpected side effect of the overlay being pinned
[23:30] <robru> slangasek: what should we do? I guess citrain tool probably should disable overlay PPA, shouldn't it? since it also disables updates from main archive
[23:30] <slangasek> no, the overlay ppa has to be enabled
[23:30] <slangasek> the citrain tool could remove the pin
[23:30] <robru> how do I go about that?
[23:30] <slangasek> or else pin its own packages higher
[23:31] <slangasek> robru: I haven't looked at the file paths, but it'll be /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/preferences.d/<something>
[23:33] <slangasek> robru: if the tool would add a higher pin for the silo, that would give the best / most consistent results
[23:34] <robru> alesage: slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1452190 heh, reported already
[23:54] <alex-abreu> robru, I am around
[23:54] <robru> alex-abreu: great, want a silo? ;-)
[23:54] <alex-abreu> robru, oh yes :)
[23:56] <robru> alex-abreu: ok, 31 and 32
[23:56] <alex-abreu> robru,  thx
[23:56] <robru> alex-abreu: you're welcome


[05:59] <dholbach> good morning
[17:58] <jono> hey all
[18:00] <jono> reload the page, folks
[18:04] <sebsebseb> hi
[18:05] <rickspencer3> QUESTION: jono did you get my memo about the new cover sheets for the TSP reports?
[18:06] <popey> QUESTION: jono. Why do the ubuntu.com website designers hate the community so much!?
[18:06] <rickspencer3> oops, type ... TPS reports
[18:06] <olli_> are they due?
[18:06] <rstreeter> QUESTION: Will Unity 7 be back ported to 12.04?
[18:06] <popey> ooh, good question
[18:10] <icoop> QUESTION: when do you think we will be able to use ubuntu touch as a daily driver on a Nexus phone?
[18:14] <MarkDude> *Mark S*
[18:14]  * MarkDude is known as Mark in FOSS
[18:14] <MarkDude> :D
[18:17] <checkin> will ubuntu phones be released in India
[18:18] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: How was Australia?
[18:18] <vrubium> question: given that gnome is integrating more it's apps is it going to happen to those app on ubuntu?
[18:18] <MarkDude> QUESTION: BBQpad, tell more. Will it be a Juju Charm?
[18:18] <zebaszp> QUESTION: when will the SDK itself reach 1.0?
[18:18] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Will you play guitar for half an hour or so instead :d, if there aren't enough questions?
[18:18] <Marlinc> QUESTION: Jono would you like to fill a little survey with about 10 questions when the session is over?
[18:19] <MarkDude> +1 guitar sebsebseb
[18:19] <rstreeter> QUESTION: When will MIR be implemented into Ubuntu?
[18:19] <sebsebseb> MarkDude: yep indeed :D
[18:20] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Oh you went to Australlia how did you get there?  Hawaii first or ?
[18:20] <vrubium> QUESTION: When should we expect the update thant changes ubuntu +1 to mir and unity next?
[18:21] <checkin_> thank you!
[18:23] <UbuntuBhoy> QUESTION As the 'launch event' for Ubuntu Touch was so successful in generating a buzz in the media, is it a tactic that you guys would consider using again for other areas ?
[18:23] <rstreeter> QUESTION: Why is the Severed Fifth website not working?
[18:23] <zebaszp> bbqs aren't boring...
[18:23] <zebaszp> QUESTION: who is that person behind you?
[18:24]  * MarkDude thinks thats his reflection. Notice lack of hair :D
[18:24] <number22> QUESTION: Some amazing developers ported ubuntu touch on low end devices that doesnt even have minimum requriments, its really slow but it works, should we expect at least usable port at the end of the year
[18:25] <zebaszp> MarkDude, I'm just kidding, everyone always tell's him there's someone behind him
[18:25] <sebsebseb> zebaszp: oh I was about to do that :d
[18:25] <sebsebseb> zebaszp: heh heh
[18:25] <sebsebseb> who's that behind him in the mirror :d
[18:25] <leMe> QUESTION: Would you like to be on Top Gear?
[18:25] <MarkDude> thats cool zebaszp - I like pointing out his lack of hair
[18:26]  * MarkDude has similar thing happening to his own hairline
[18:26] <MarkDude> + music
[18:26] <MarkDude> +1
[18:26] <number22> +1 for music
[18:27] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: What do you think about Wubi in general, and also how it won't be in 13.04?
[18:27] <MarkDude> Wubi stuff is good question
[18:27] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Are there any news on NVidia + MIR so I can test it?
[18:28] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: No I meant where did you have to land on the way to Australlia if anywhere?
[18:28] <sebsebseb> or on way back as well evne
[18:28] <sebsebseb> even
[18:28] <sebsebseb> MarkDude: yep indeed
[18:29] <MarkDude> Jono says the word controversy awesomely.
[18:30] <MarkDude> Can you also say the word Methane?
[18:30] <MarkDude> UK folks say MEEE thane
[18:30] <vrubium> QUESTION: After the transition to unity next and MIr in the desktop, will we be able to seemingly install apps developed for X?
[18:30] <MarkDude> +1
[18:30] <zebaszp> bwahaha, we shall keep freaking you out!
[18:30] <MarkDude> You know you sound like Alanbell?
[18:31] <zebaszp> CONTROVERSEH
[18:32] <FlyingPig> +1 for Top Gear :D
[18:32] <MarkDude> Put Top Gear on the bucket list
[18:32] <zebaszp> QUESTION: how does Mir and Wayland adoption affect video game development?
[18:33] <MarkDude> Along with monocle and cravat...
[18:33] <rstreeter> QUESTION: Does the removal of i386 from the kernel mean Ubuntu is dropping 32 bit version?
[18:33] <sebsebseb> oh that's how he says it, I said diffenrtly
[18:34] <zebaszp> rstreeter, no
[18:34] <zebaszp> only the old 386 processors were dropped
[18:35] <zebaszp> anything 486 and above is ok
[18:36] <checkin> approach for ubuntu touch in enterprise
[18:36] <MarkDude> Tux the Penguin- how awesome is he?
[18:36] <zebaszp> QUESTION: how are you?
[18:36] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: HAve you seen Marks OpenStack presentation?
[18:36] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: What do you think of how more programs or at least GNOME ones anyway, are requireing the need for SystemD as well?
[18:36] <MarkDude> Jack likes metal
[18:37] <vrubium> Question: I want to buy an ubuntu phone, when do you expect this to be possible?
[18:37] <glombart> QUESTION: when did you start losing your hair?
[18:37] <camelinahat> QUESTION: With the main Ubuntu distro going with Mir, and with GNOME supporting Wayland, do you think Ubuntu GNOME flavour be negatively impacted?
[18:37] <MarkDude> lol +1 hair question
[18:37] <rstreeter> QUESTION: What is the thing with the dash icon and its swirl direction?
[18:37] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  Do you like everyone who asks you questions? heh heh
[18:38] <number22> QUESTION: why are you barefoot on severed fifth concerts
[18:39] <zebaszp> QUESTION: with logind, udev and all that jazz, how come systemd isn't in the blueprints?
[18:39] <FlyingPig> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oEioIGqAyNY/R-65Wf-yB0I/AAAAAAAAAAQ/zhB9QDvF_T0/S220/jono.jpg
[18:39] <sebsebseb> zebaszp: Ubuntu usees upstart instead
[18:39] <dshimer> QUESTION: Can you just talk about the next online UDS, plans, goals, topics, how does the new format relate to a release.
[18:39] <camelinahat> heh. BTW.. it's Camel in a hat.. ;)
[18:39] <zebaszp> I know, sebsebseb, that's the point
[18:40] <zebaszp> I think there were blueprints for logind alone, and udev was merged into systemd
[18:41] <zebaszp> Yay! I'm loved!
[18:41] <sebsebseb> zebaszp: well liked
[18:41] <MarkDude> <group hug>
[18:41] <zebaszp> oh god, that photo!
[18:43] <rstreeter> QUESTION: What do you think of System 76?
[18:43] <leMe> QUESTION: Do you like Tim Minchin?
[18:43] <zebaszp> Tim Minchin! \o/
[18:45] <wompa> QUESTION: can we expect a "desktop" ubuntu account login that syns everything to ubuntu one? something like chrome os.
[18:47] <simon-pl> QUESTION: Hello Jono! Are you still working on Ubuntu accomplishments project ? or maybe you start working on secret QML app for ubuntu touch ?
[18:47] <Marlinc> Ooh that would be nice wompa
[18:47] <UbuntuBhoy> QUESTION  will work be done for desktop Unity to make it more touch friendly ?
[18:49] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Would you eat me? :D
[18:49] <zebaszp> what the...?
[18:49] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Do you think its time for the GNOME 2 distros to die, and for users to move on to something else?  This is what will happen to Fuduntu later this year,  a F edora based distro, because of GNOME requiering SystemD, but Fuduntu not doing so, and GTK 2  not really being supported as such anymore.
[18:50]  * zebaszp gives jono some love
[18:50] <rstreeter> QUESTION: How is life as a father going?
[18:51] <jarlath> QUESTION: Hello Jono! :) I thought this event was calendared for 8pm?
[18:52] <number22> QUESTION: why @ubuntuonair tweeted "ono Bacon: Q&A starting in 15 minutes" 5 minutes ago, did we travel in time
[18:52] <dshimer> QUESTION: will UbuntuKylin be %100 complete in 13.04, or what will the status be for this release.
[18:53] <linuxcode19> do you think that unity in future will have the features like dock applerance, position in different place(bottom).
[18:53] <jarlath> Awesome :)
[18:54] <FlyingPig> very coul
[18:54] <zebaszp> double session? that's gonna be like an hour of guitar...
[18:54] <FlyingPig> oops
[18:54] <FlyingPig> :D
[18:54] <zebaszp> I do like double the flavour...
[18:54] <rstreeter> Well work calls I will see ya next time, later all
[18:55] <zebaszp> QUESTION: can the babby join us in the session?
[18:55] <simon-pl> QUESTION: Can we expect Ubuntu Touch to be as smouth as IOS is ? On what I've seen so far it looks promissing and fast ( home screen ) but when I go to application ( like contacts ) the scroling is not as smooth...
[18:56] <zebaszp> I didn't say "baby", I said "babby" :P
[18:56]  * MarkDude used you as a reference for my application for being a Mozilla Rep. Along with Karsten. They do some cool stuff.
[18:56] <dshimer> Double the fun
[18:56] <MarkDude> -1 *double the flavour*
[18:56] <zebaszp> double the guitar!
[18:57] <wompa> Question: just play a song!
[18:57] <MarkDude> +1 guitar
[18:57] <jarlath> I can print some posters!
[18:57] <MarkDude> question: music WHERE is it?
[18:57] <wompa> Question: just sing
[18:57] <peter_m> QUESTION: What kind of drums do you have?
[18:58] <zebaszp> D:
[18:58] <MarkDude> Acoustic?
[18:58] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Whats the weather like wherever you live?
[18:58] <MarkDude> Acapella?
[18:58] <zebaszp> a few minutes? we got like 62...
[18:58] <jarlath> QUESTION: When the baby is sleeping, would you consider ballet? If you're light enough on your feet the baby will never hear it.
[18:58] <MarkDude> +1 for paradise
[18:58] <zebaszp> +1 jarlath
[18:59] <MarkDude> lol
[18:59] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Have you seen Game of Thrones?
[18:59] <xedi> QUESTION: I dreamed about talking to you concerning using a severed fifth song in a video project under CC, have you ever dreamed about me?
[18:59]  * MarkDude sees photoedit of ballet coming
[18:59] <zebaszp> YES
[18:59] <zebaszp> YES, BALLET
[18:59] <swaveck> BELT
[19:00] <zebaszp> awesome!
[19:00] <MarkDude> ALL Hail Tux the Penguin! (for belt)
[19:01] <Marlinc> QUESTION: What do you think about applications that start developed closed-source and go open-source one's its ready
[19:01] <number22> QUESTION: where is JoseeAntonioR
[19:01] <dshimer> QUESTION: Have you ever considered having a guest join the QA? A Canonical celebrity, someone from one of the teams, etc.
[19:03] <sebsebseb> anyone else having video isues
[19:03] <sebsebseb> or just me ?
[19:03] <MarkDude> question: which folks on irc do you hear in their voice or accent?
[19:03] <nadeem> how is your cooperation with Dell on OEM i am living in malaysia and dell sell ubuntu laptops with nvidia graphic cards that does not work at all
[19:03] <nadeem> they ship it with optimus cards
[19:03] <FlyingPig> no
[19:03] <swaveck> video is OK
[19:03]  * MarkDude does this with Christopher Wickert (and other Germans)
[19:03] <Marlinc> No issues :p
[19:03] <FlyingPig> yes
[19:03] <Bons> video is okj
[19:03] <peter_m> it's okay Jono
[19:03] <number22> everything is okay for me
[19:03] <zebaszp> everything A-OK
[19:03] <MarkDude> audio is fine
[19:03] <sebsebseb> pictuer issue now uh let's re load gian
[19:03] <peter_m> i'm on youtube though
[19:04] <xedi> yes
[19:04] <jarlath> A/V  10=10
[19:05] <FlyingPig> Yes!
[19:05] <Bons> yes, sure :)
[19:05] <FlyingPig> Please bring mark
[19:05] <dshimer> Yes
[19:05] <UbuntuBhoy> QUESTION Is Ubuntu for Android effectively dead?
[19:05] <checkin_> s...
[19:05] <jarlath> Sounds cool. Ten minutes is enough though :)
[19:05] <jarlath> +1 for Mark
[19:05] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Maybe you should get some person who asks you questions on :d  what you think to that ?
[19:05]  * MarkDude sounds like surfer
[19:06] <peter_m> QUESTION: Any thoughts on games running on ubuntu?
[19:06] <FlyingPig> QUESTIONS: Have you installed any Steam games?
[19:06] <thisIsNotMyNick> QUESTION: Any plans to deploy ubuntu with windows instead of just ubuntu?
[19:06] <Ubunoob> QUESTION: can you tell me more about ubuntu for android?  Having a one device to rule them all approach appeals to me. Is Ubuntu touch pushing ubuntu for android back and will ubuntu touch have the dock for desktop mode?
[19:07] <simon-pl> QUESTION: Submitting apps to USC is a bit pain... Can we expect kind of automated app reviewing system so it doesn’t take that long to get app in or update to USC ? At the moment its about 14days for commercial app and extremely long for free app. any plans on that ?
[19:07] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: NO I meant as the guest, maybe you should have someone on, who usauly asks you questions?
[19:07] <seedymac> when is the official release date of 13.04? sorry if it was talked about already.
[19:08] <Marlinc> QUESTION: If there is Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu for Android how would apps work. Would Ubuntu apps work on Ubuntu for Android. And will it have the same interface?
[19:08] <jarlath> QUESTION: Were the reported huge performance improvements in 13.04 intentional?
[19:09] <thisIsNotMyNick> QUESTION: I was meaning new computers. Ubuntu and windows by default.
[19:09] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  Ok a differnet kind of question,  why did you become just jono on IRC instead of something more exciting?
[19:09] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: I haven't heard much about Ubuntu TV lately. Are there any news on that?
[19:09] <icoop> QUESTION: what do you think about the whole smart watch rumors and announcements? Do you think ubuntu will extend it's convergence to watches in future?
[19:11] <nadeem> QUESTION: what kind of cooperation on OEM , i live in malaysia and dell making ubuntu laptops with nonworking graphic cards (nvidia optimus)??
[19:11] <firelinks> QUESTION: HOw well does Ubuntu Phone OS work with JavaScript/HTML5 Frameworks and is there scope for more support?
[19:11] <peter_m> QUESTION: I work at a PC shop in Hungary - would it be okay for me to install ubuntu on OEM PC's? Do i need some kind of a permission?
[19:11] <schauer97> QUESTION: I hope i can ask this technical question.  Why can i not start a [Name].sh script in Ubuntu 13.04 with doubleklick? Is this a bug or a feature? I used the commmand: chmod +x to execute!
[19:12] <techman246> what are the plans for 14.04?
[19:12] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  No I mean people stil ask qustions as normal, but  you also have this guest on, someone who would normaly ask you questions as wel?  In fact maybe thsi person would get asked some questions to.  I mean trying something differnet as a guest,  instead of someone from Canonical or whatever.
[19:12] <sebsebseb> oh how text can be interrupted in diffenret ways at  times heh heh
[19:13] <MunkyBone> BELT BUCKLE: Smoke my meat.
[19:14] <jarlath> BELT_BUCKLE: Download link for Ubuntu!
[19:14] <techman246> BELT BUCKLE humanity twords others
[19:14] <zebaszp> BELT BUCKLE: got root?
[19:15] <peter_m> BELT BUCKLE: Double the Belt Buckle
[19:15] <FlyingPig> BELT BUCKLE: No place like <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:17] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: What about Ubuntu on belt buckles?
[19:17] <zebaszp> QUESTION: what about ballet? https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-OLNRBjYpbjI/UW71LHhPOZI/AAAAAAAAAtk/ZGShOi3kJEg/w307-h428-p-o/jono+ballet.jpg
[19:18] <zebaszp> MarkDude, there you go
[19:18] <jarlath> QUESTION: Do you find it crazy that in 2013, a file manager takes longer than .0001 seconds to open on a desktop? I'm talking about Win/Lin/Mac. I've been expecting it to get faster since it first bothered me in 1997 but it hasn't happened!
[19:19] <techman246> how hard is it to get a job with cononical
[19:19] <zebaszp> QUESTION: let's bring Bryan Lunduke!
[19:19] <thisIsNotMyNick> QUESTION: how can ubuntu cooperate with projects like MER?
[19:19] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Are you going to a release party for raring?
[19:20] <hip2dajive> BELT BUCKLE: Ubuntu... mmmmm Bacon
[19:20] <MunkyBone> QUESTION: is there a character limit on the belt buckle?
[19:21] <checkin_> will ubuntu phone stream interfaces to docks like laptop, desktop, tablet, tv wirelessly
[19:22] <zebaszp> that's 5 minutes of GIMP for you
[19:22] <zebaszp> oh god, I can't stop laughing...
[19:22] <MarkDude> Gimp rocks
[19:23] <simon-pl> QUESTION: When can we expect Mir to be included in daily Ubuntu Touch images as default?
[19:23] <peter_m> Bryan rocks!
[19:23] <zebaszp> oh god, really? I'd love to see that!
[19:24] <thisIsNotMyNick> QUESTION: http://merproject.org/
[19:24] <MunkyBone> BELT BUCKLE: U-bacon-tu
[19:24] <techman246> what could i do to maybe get a job with canonical?
[19:24] <FlyingPig> techman246: type QUESTION
[19:24] <jarlath> zebaszp: that was _very_ funny :)
[19:24] <swaveck> BELT BUCKLE: be my SUDO
[19:25] <zebaszp> I'm so gonna share that on the G+ community...
[19:26] <thisIsNotMyNick> BELT BUCKLE: PRESS FOR SURPRISE
[19:26] <peter_m> QUESTION: Do you listen to Meshuggah?
[19:26] <MunkyBone> BELT BUCKLE: Why are you staring at my crotch?
[19:27] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: What shall I ask?
[19:28] <swaveck> QUESTION: what type of lcd screen are you using now ?
[19:28] <Marlinc> QUESTION: This is not really a question but I send a email with the survey
[19:28] <techman246> what should i look forward to in 14.04?
[19:28] <Marlinc> It is about how you use the clipboard for a app some friends and me are working on
[19:29] <zebaszp> I'm still laughing at my picture...
[19:29] <Marlinc> If more people would fill it would be awesome :)
[19:29] <Marlinc> http://goo.gl/vFW7U is the URL to it
[19:29] <techman246> cool\
[19:29] <FlyingPig> Marlinc: What language is that? Oo
[19:29] <zebaszp> I don't speak dutch :(
[19:30] <dscassel_> QUESTION: What are your thoughts on city-based LoCo teams?
[19:30] <schauer97> QUESTION: Do you know a good alternative for Wirecast, but under Linux? But no ffmpeg or Webcamstudio?
[19:30] <Marlinc> Woops wrong one
[19:30] <tetris4> QUESTION: Where can someone interested in Community Management/Interction in FOSS start? Can you provide some general guidelines on studies, jobs, internships etc?
[19:30] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Will the Ubuntu SDK be extended to more programming languages?
[19:30] <swaveck> QUESTION: would it be possible to create official webpage with Canonical and Ubuntu history ? pictures from summits, etc ?
[19:30] <Marlinc> https://docs.google.com/a/mms-projects.net/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHdFV2Fyd0xnRU52a2o0TWg1Z1VRZVE6MQ#gid=0
[19:30] <Marlinc> That is the link to it
[19:30] <icoop> Research firm Gartner expects the market for wearable smart electronics to be a $10 billion industry by 2016
[19:30] <techman246> how could you setup a loco team?
[19:31] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Whats your opinion on Boston?
[19:32] <zebaszp> ahayzen, I really doubt it
[19:32] <jarlath> QUESTION: What's you're favourite non-default application/lense/feature on Ubuntu?
[19:32] <Marlinc> There are some more specific clipboard questions in the survey jono. If you would like to answer it would be great if it would be through the form
[19:33] <hip2dajive> QUESTION: Are there any plans to make the Ubuntu1 back-end server open-source?  - For most security minded people storing files unencrypted on American servers is a complete no-no.
[19:33] <swaveck> YES, YES YES
[19:33] <jjed> QUESTION: How do you think Red Hat and Canonical can patch things up? There seems to be a lot of barely concealed hostility.
[19:34] <icoop> QUESTION: Will we see WiFi Direct / Miracast in ubuntu touch?
[19:36] <zebaszp> YEAH, GO GEANY!
[19:37] <zebaszp> geany is truly amazing
[19:37] <simon-pl> UBUNTU HISTORY ( bare in mind its in polish + images ) http://www.ubuntu-pomoc.org/historia-ubuntu-w-obrazkach/
[19:37] <orange_> QUESTION: What do you think about autohide menu in Unity? Personally I dislike it
[19:37] <schauer97> Geany is awsome
[19:38] <hip2dajive> Extra Note: US law states that the US government can access non-citizen's data freely and for no reason, check out the EFF website
[19:39] <MarkDude> https://plus.google.com/u/0/105095769731159704550/posts/M6qW1RFkDAx
[19:39] <MarkDude> Another Jono ballet pic
[19:39] <fine> will Ubuntu phone be able to stream wirelessly interfaces to docks like laptop, desktop, tablet, tv
[19:41] <MarkDude> Also Fedora has sucked since F14
[19:41] <MarkDude> Note my Fedora cloak.
[19:42] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Why is the video with Nelson Mandela no longer shipped with ubuntu?
[19:42] <MarkDude> Jono is telling the truth here,
[19:42] <MarkDude> +1 for Spatula
[19:43] <MarkDude> Note: Jan is reasonable, minus how he judges Americans that visit Germany and *wear shorts*
[19:45] <techman246> will we be able to forward a mir session over network or internet like in X?
[19:46] <zebaszp> QUESTION: did you see MarkDude's pic? mine's better anyways...DOUBLE THE BALLET
[19:47] <MarkDude> Courtney is here laughing too
[19:47] <zebaszp> this shall become a meme
[19:47] <zebaszp> DOUBLE THE MEME
[19:47] <FlyingPig> quick! someone has to upload it to 9gag
[19:47] <peter_m> I'm thinking 13.04 default wallpaper
[19:47] <MarkDude>  #jonoballet meme
[19:48] <orange_> QUESTION: Do you like cats?
[19:48] <zebaszp> #jonoballet YES
[19:48] <fine> music
[19:48] <jarlath> Thank you Jono.
[19:48] <swaveck> ---> simon-pl:  that's exactly I'm referring to
[19:48] <dscassel_> Thanks, Jono.
[19:48] <zebaszp> you're awesome, jono, thank you a lot
[19:49] <jono> thanks everyone!
[19:49] <zebaszp> that was freaking hilarious
[19:49] <ahayzen> thanks, jono
[19:49] <zebaszp> you do remember when jarlath suggested ballet because of the baby, right?
[19:50] <zebaszp> just to put context into the whole joke, otherwise it's just weird
[19:51] <MarkDude> Yes
[19:51] <zebaszp> don't hate me, jono D:
[19:51]  * MarkDude had to explain context
[19:51] <MarkDude> He's cool with it
[19:51] <jono> zebaszp, never :-)
[19:51] <zebaszp> yay! :D
[19:51] <zebaszp> anyways, thanks a lot, I'll be leaving now
[19:52] <zebaszp> have a good one!
[20:14] <ahoneybun> Hello Jono
[20:15] <ahoneybun> I can see you


[15:14] <lordcirth_work> QRM, 6 hours to configure?  Y'all need Saltstack.  Or scripts.
[15:15] <QRM> agreed
[15:18] <tomreyn> or puppet, ansible, chef, ...
[15:18] <tomreyn> pick your poison
[15:23] <lordcirth_work> I may be slightly biased.  I use Saltstack for work and have gotten PR's accepted (so excited!).  But I do think it's the best.


[02:51] <wubba> We are looking at writing a front end for windows that can attach to ubuntu private clouds.  Where can we begin?
[02:55] <flaccid> where would you like to begin?
[02:57] <wubba> Well - I'd like to have my programmer start working on a front end for windows that can attach to the ubuntu cloud.  And I am not sure what tools he would need to write it.  Is there like an SDK or something.
[03:09] <flaccid> wubba: http://open.eucalyptus.com/forum/eucalyptus-apis and euca tools
[03:10] <flaccid> hmm, is there an actual api yet, i forget..
[03:10] <wubba> great - that will be enough to get him started.
[03:10] <flaccid> http://open.eucalyptus.com/participate/wiki/euca2ools-windows
[03:11] <flaccid> http://open.eucalyptus.com/participate/wiki/euca2ools-windows
[03:11] <flaccid> sorry, http://cssoss.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/eucalyptus-beginner’s-guide-–-uec-edition-chapter-10-–-euca commands/
[03:11] <flaccid> far out, they still have a long way to go
[03:12] <flaccid> shouldn't have to go through the source for the api
[03:12] <wubba> so the Eucalyptus is the 'cloud' software
[03:13] <flaccid> sure, ubuntu just fork it and call their implementation UEC
[03:13] <wubba> Ah.  Ok.  I will need to build the cloud so I can give my programmer something to write to.  Thanks.  I appreciate it.
[03:14] <flaccid> build the cloud?
[03:17] <flaccid> i think the best you can do atm is probably create a Qt or Java app and have that use eucatools
[03:17] <wubba> build the server
[03:17] <flaccid> well uec is pretty much out of the box..
[03:18] <wubba> OK - but you don't believe that there is really any way to write a front end in windows to attach to the UEC servers?
[03:18] <wubba> yet
[03:23] <flaccid> i just provided a real way..
[03:23] <flaccid> tis what i would do
[03:24] <wubba> ok
[03:24] <flaccid> i hope your dude is not a .net person..
[03:27] <wubba> He is :)
[03:27] <wubba> mostly
[03:27] <wubba> but I think he has c# experience too
[03:28] <wubba> qt is expensive
[03:28] <flaccid> c# is a programming language dominantly used in .net
[03:28] <flaccid> Qt is dual licensed. it is free and it costs less than .net if you are looking at purchasing a license
[03:29] <flaccid> Java is also free
[03:29] <wubba> true
[03:29] <flaccid> there is no reason to limit yourself to windows only by using .net.
[03:34] <wubba> Very true.


[21:29] <ActionParsnip> i fiind opera is drastically faster
[21:29] <deany> but i find FF a lot more useful
[21:30] <bjsnider> is this going to get ugly now?
[21:30] <deany> lol, nope
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> nar
[21:30] <deany> everyones happy.
[21:30] <bjsnider> i sense tension
[21:30] <bjsnider> possibly leading to violence
[21:30] <JMFTheVCI> happy with Firefox....
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> i'm not especially but belly aching here does very little
[21:31] <Volkodav> epiphany beats them all on speed at least
[21:31] <Volkodav> since gnome integrated
[21:31] <ActionParsnip> you'll find w3m is faster
[21:32] <JMFTheVCI> chromiun is very fast, but incomplete
[21:32] <zash> deluge craches my internets :(
[21:32] <JMFTheVCI> zash: you have more than one Internet?
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> yeah chromium should be sweet
[21:32] <zash> JMFTheVCI: ... yes .. i do
[21:33] <JMFTheVCI> Internet - There can be only one!
[21:33] <bjsnider> deluge has been terrible since the 1.0 release
[21:33] <JMFTheVCI> <off topic already.....>
[21:33] <zash> JMFTheVCI: http://p.zash.se/9UiRyA.txt
[21:33] <Volkodav> I don't trust google anymore
[21:34] <craigubuntu> hi all
[21:34] <Volkodav> and reasons they created their own browser
[21:34] <craigubuntu> Hi all i wonder if someone can help a newbie ubuntu user- i am using the ubuntu 9.04 and am trying to set up a network - basically got wireless router - on dhcp for two computers - which work perfectly /networking etc (ip range 192.168.1.x). I also have another router which i am using wired ip range 192.168.2.x.  I can ping the other computer so the network is working but i want to be able to use the wired for shares etc. at moment it isnt allowing me
[21:34] <ikonia> craigubuntu: as I explained I would strongly advise using a stable release, 9.04 is not stable
[21:35] <craigubuntu> ikonia thanks i appreciate the advice - the issue here is not the stability for the moment (though it may be later!) this is a networking question in regards to linux
[21:35] <bjsnider> craigubuntu, by default there aren't any firewall rules to prevent sharing
[21:35] <ikonia> craigubuntu: then if you are unable to master the basic of networking - I suggest you may be struggling to use the beta
[21:36] <Volkodav> they don't even have chromium for 64 bit ?
[21:36] <ikonia> craigubuntu: the routing table will be the same on 8.04/8.10/9.04
[21:36] <ikonia> Volkodav: ask google
[21:36] <slytherin> craigubuntu: is it networking question or file sharing question?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: theres no linux chromium yet afaik
[21:36] <craigubuntu> ok so if there is two network cards ubuntu should recognise this with regards to hostname ?
[21:36] <JMFTheVCI> The 9.04 beta is not the place for relative newbies to be debugging networks issues.
[21:36] <Volkodav> do apt-cache search chromium
[21:36] <ikonia> craigubuntu: no, with regard to ip
[21:36] <ikonia> craigubuntu: or name resolution
[21:36] <Volkodav> chromium-browser - Chromium browser
[21:36] <Volkodav> ia32-libs-chromium-browser - Chromium browser, ia32-libs
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: thats the windows version running via wine
[21:38] <craigubuntu> ok so when accessing a share using smb the ipaddress doesnt work - any advice
[21:38] <craigubuntu> it works on the wireless card
[21:38] <craigubuntu> but not on the wired connection
[21:39] <ikonia> craigubuntu: I suggest a stable release - that's my advice
[21:39] <craigubuntu> ikonia ok suppose i asked the same question regarding the stable release
[21:39] <craigubuntu> what would be your solution?
[21:39] <Squark> maybe you need to restart network manager.
[21:39] <JMFTheVCI> craigubuntu: Two network cards in a box will require an IP for each. If they are on different networks then you may need routing to get between the two. Have you tried disabling wireless and then see if wired, the only valid connection, works?
[21:39] <ikonia> craigubuntu: your not - so that's not m answer
[21:39] <slytherin> craigubuntu: seems to be related to route. are you able to ping the machine?
[21:39] <ikonia> craigubuntu: I would remove basic networking issues out of the problem
[21:39] <craigubuntu> I will try that Squark
[21:40] <craigubuntu> yep sly i am able to ping
[21:40] <Volkodav> ActionParsnip no it is not
[21:40] <Volkodav> I have it installed and it is linux pre alpha
[21:40] <ikonia> samba will bind to the ip of the hostname only unless you say explicitly in the config
[21:40] <JMFTheVCI> can you ping the machine on both networks/IPs?
[21:41] <craigubuntu> yep
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: can yuo link me up
[21:41] <craigubuntu> one is on range 192.168.1.x (wireless) and wired is 192.168.2.x
[21:41] <ikonia> craigubuntu: you need to set your routing properly and make sure samba is bound to the correct interface
[21:42] <Squark> When I try to install latest Jaunty with ext4 when it comes to partitioning the disk I simply cannot choose EXT4. There's no ext4 in the menu.
[21:42] <Squark> I've already tried with two different builds..
[21:42] <Squark> same problem.
[21:42] <craigubuntu> ahh ok ikonia that is sorta making sense
[21:42] <slytherin> Squark: graphical installer or text installer?
[21:42] <Squark> Graphical.
[21:43] <Squark> Live-Cd.
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Squark: known bug. its fixed now
[21:43] <Squark> now, like in latest build?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Squark: bug 354851
[21:43] <Volkodav> ActionParsnip do you have this on your apt sources ?  http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main
[21:43] <Squark> Ok, I will check it out.
[21:44] <Squark> Thanks.
[21:44] <craigubuntu> is samba not installed by default in Ubuntu?
[21:45] <craigubuntu> is the filesharing feature ubuntu uses different
[21:45] <Volkodav> If not get it in and install as normal your chromium
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> let me try
[21:45] <ikonia> craigubuntu: I don't think samba is installed by default, but smbfs is
[21:45] <ikonia> craigubuntu: just check for yourself
[21:45] <craigubuntu> ahh
[21:45] <craigubuntu> ok ikonia
[21:45] <craigubuntu> thanks
[21:45] <bjsnider> Volkodav, the only chromium i've got here is a game
[21:45] <craigubuntu> yep must have been good being born knowing linux!
[21:45] <ActionParsnip> !info chromium
[21:46] <slytherin> craigubuntu: samba server is not installed by default.
[21:46] <craigubuntu> thanks sly
[21:46] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: chromium-browser
[21:46] <craigubuntu> yep got it now figured
[21:46] <Volkodav> you have to have  http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main
[21:46] <craigubuntu> thanks all for assistance!
[21:46] <BUGabundo> from univirse
[21:46] <JMFTheVCI> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main
[21:46] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, not here
[21:46] <Volkodav> it is sooo not ready though
[21:47] <JMFTheVCI> for those wanting to use Chromium
[21:47] <BUGabundo> JMFTheVCI: that's for ibex! you want the one for jaunty
[21:47] <Volkodav> Setting up chromium-browser (<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090310r11348-0ubuntu1~fta1) ...
[21:47] <JMFTheVCI> Sorry, There is a jaunty version. Just change the last bit.
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: http://pastebin.com/f2bf8ba1
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> ok let me add the repo
[21:48] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: you are right! its not in Universe
[21:48] <bjsnider> i'm not right, i'm correct
[21:49] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:49] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: or to the left
[21:49] <bjsnider> i'm not left either
[21:50] <Volkodav> add the repo I said anf it will show up http://pastebin.com/m31d84fe6
[21:51] <bjsnider> is it using gtk?
[21:54] <Volkodav> yes
[21:54] <bjsnider> which version of webkit?
[21:56] <bytor4232> Jaunty has brought new life to my old Compaq laptop!
[21:56] <bytor4232> Memory management must be improved or something.
[21:57] <bjsnider> compaqs never had any life to begin with
[21:57] <bytor4232> This thing won't die.  Presario 700, 500 mhz processor, 256 megs of ram.
[21:58] <bjsnider> put vista on it
[21:58] <bytor4232> I installed Jaunty from the netboot, cli only install.  Ran "apt-get install xfce4" and I was golden.  Its running really well.
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> Volkodav: yeah its really not ready, but seems not bad
[22:01] <JMFTheVCI> ActionParsnip: It can be ready for some. I'm not willing to break my very stable intrepid just yet.
[22:01] <JMFTheVCI> I keep checking in here to see just how stable the latest beta still is?
[22:03] <bjsnider> JMFTheVCI, what graphics card?
[22:05] <BluesKaj> JMFTheVCI, interesting , but jaunty is more stable than intrepid on my setup..I had all kinds of graphical artifacts with it
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: same here
[22:07] <JMFTheVCI> I have standard Intel graphics. No NVIDIA
[22:08] <bjsnider> JMFTheVCI, well, that's a problem
[22:09] <JMFTheVCI> I come in and see a new "it's broken" message very other day. Python, Nvidia etc. They do get fixed but I am not that into fixing linux. I like it to work. I am learning more but I like an easier life....
[22:09] <bjsnider> then wait
[22:11] <JMFTheVCI> I am.
[22:11] <JMFTheVCI> and I am not griping about the speed. I am quite content to wait to the RC or even the GA...
[22:12] <bytor4232> JMFTheVCI, Upgrading to the beta made me run to Xubuntu on my laptop.  I had it pretty cherried out, Compiz, Avant, all the bells and whistles.  I had nothing but problems after I made the jump.
[22:13] <seven> Hi guys, Im having some issues with my keyboard layout, it isnt working as intend under wine, especially a game called wow, If I press the numeric keys above azerty, 6 and 8 don't work as intended , and the = key triggers the function that is binded to 6
[22:13] <bytor4232> JMFTheVCI, Don't let the "beta" label fool ya, I've found from experience that Release Candidates are the only "stable" development release.
[22:13] <LinuxRevolution> how can i stop this beep alarm when I want to shutdown?
[22:15] <JMFTheVCI> bytor4232: Yes, and that is fine. I will give it a go and deal with the issues. I will just look for a time when less bugs appear.
[22:15] <JMFTheVCI> or less showstopper bugs appear.
[22:15] <LinuxRevolution> please help
[22:15] <JMFTheVCI> or bugs that don't effect my particular system.
[22:16] <JMFTheVCI> LinuxRevolution: Does this beep occur at a particular time in the shutdown?
[22:16] <bytor4232> JMFTheVCI, It was like this with 8.10, 8.04, 7.10.  They run pretty unstable, and warn you that it will be unstable, right up to the Release. Makes sense, but usually when you see "Beta" you feel a little safe.
[22:16] <LinuxRevolution> JMFTheVCI: when I wanna shut down it Beeeeeeeeeeeeep :D
[22:16] <KRF> hey there, is the vpnc stuff in the network manager in kubuntu jaunty supposed to work?
[22:17] <JMFTheVCI> LinuxRev: As soon as you click the shutdown icon?
[22:18] <LinuxRevolution> JMFTheVCI: yes yes
[22:18] <JMFTheVCI> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=977018
[22:18] <JMFTheVCI> About disabling beeps.
[22:19] <LinuxRevolution> JMFTheVCI: thanks a lot :)
[22:19] <JMFTheVCI> Google is your friend.
[22:19] <LinuxRevolution> JMFTheVCI: i did but couldnt find this page
[22:34] <dooglus> I'm trying to install the 9.04 beta using the wubi.exe installer
[22:35] <dooglus> it seems to die as soon as I click 'install inside windows'
[22:35] <dooglus> what do I need to do?
[22:38] <pHreaksYcle1> my nautilus gives me a seg. fault, i don't get a desktop with icons. someone, please help me
[22:38] <pHreaksYcle1> basically right now my nautilus will not start up, either automatically or manually
[22:40] <pHreaksYcle1> anyone seen this before?
[22:40] <filosofix> when playing regular or flash video the playback will slow down for 10-15 seconds , while audio plays normally, before it speeds up to catch up with the sounds. This can happen every 4-5 minutes during video-playback... anyone knows what is wrong?
[22:41] <thiebaude> filosofix: did you try and re-install flash?
[22:41] <pHreaksYcle1> . . .
[22:41] <filosofix> thiebaude : it happens with any video file too...
[22:41] <filosofix> thiebaude : and any player...
[22:41] <thiebaude> pHreaksYcle1: i dont why your getting a segmentation fault
[22:41] <pHreaksYcle1> thiebaude: me either :)
[22:42] <pHreaksYcle1> evilaim: are you there?
[22:42] <TuoDrable> aha great
[22:42] <TuoDrable> hotkey's fixed
[22:42] <thiebaude> pHreaksYcle1: if you cant use nautilus maybe you can use thunar
[22:43] <thiebaude> ?
[22:43] <pHreaksYcle1> thiebaude: how exactly do you mean? make it my default?
[22:43] <thiebaude> TuoDrable: i know i'am glad
[22:43] <TuoDrable> That leaves one last problem
[22:43] <pHreaksYcle1> i am using it right now to get at files, but i need to be able to have files on the desktop
[22:43] <TuoDrable> sound in flash :(
[22:43] <thiebaude> no, use thunar if you cant use nautilus
[22:43] <TuoDrable> it was a pain in 8.10 too
[22:44] <filosofix> thiebaude : it seems to not be a problem when compiz is disabled...
[22:44] <pHreaksYcle1> thiebaude: right, but i install thunar and when i click things it still tries to open in nautilus and there still are no icons on the desktop
[22:44] <dtchen> TuoDrable: make sure you're using Flash 10, and make sure the stream is being directed to the desired sink.
[22:44] <dtchen> TuoDrable: install pavucontrol and check
[22:44] <TuoDrable> will do, thanks
[22:45] <pHreaksYcle1> wtf.
[22:48] <pHreaksYcle1> Okay, if anyone can help me with this problem I would appreciate it. Right now, when I boot up, I get no icons on my desktop. When I try to run nautilus on my CLI it tells me Segmentation fault (core dumped). Right now I cannot get nautilus to work, and a reinstall did not help. Please PLEASE help me out, been at this like 15 hours.
[22:48] <TuoDrable> hmm
[22:49] <TuoDrable> and how did it happen?
[22:49] <pHreaksYcle1> how did what happen?
[22:49] <TuoDrable> since you installed it?
[22:49] <filosofix> is the system updated?
[22:49] <pHreaksYcle1> filosofix: indeed.
[22:50] <pHreaksYcle1> filosofix: its been like this the whole time, but i install ubuntu-restriced-extras, the medibunto repo
[22:50] <pHreaksYcle1> and wine
[22:50] <pHreaksYcle1> but it's been like this the whole way through im afraid
[22:50] <TuoDrable> so your nautilus is just broken
[22:50] <pHreaksYcle1> like a champ
[22:51] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: segfault = game over
[22:51] <pHreaksYcle1> ikonia: so, what action should I take?
[22:51] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: you need to narrow it done as much as possible
[22:51] <pHreaksYcle1> ikonia: please be more specific, im lacking some sleep :)
[22:52] <pHreaksYcle1> ikonia: like, what causes it?
[22:52] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: think about these questions. 1.) are you overclocking at all 2.) have you ran memcheck on your hardware for at least 4 full cycles 3.) did 8.04 /8.10 work well 4.) did nautlius ever work from a clean install, or did it break at a certain point
[22:53] <pHreaksYcle1> 1.) No 2.) No 3.) Was on XP 4.) Nautilus has NEVER worked from a clean install. In fact, on the Live CD there was a bug in which it would try to start itself over and over, amounting to like 10 instances. then one would die, and another would instantly take its place. raped my PC the whole time.
[22:55] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: do 2.) - 3.) you being on XP means nothing - veryify with 8.04 and 8.10
[22:55] <pHreaksYcle1> I'm about to memtest, good idea. i said i was on XP just to tell you that i had no clue if 8.10 ran well.
[22:55] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: also verify the version of ubuntu you're downloading, chek the md5's to make sure it's come from a legtitmate source and is infact ubuntu, rather than a clone distro
[22:56] <pHreaksYcle1> i got the torrent file from the ubuntu site
[22:56] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: confirm problems against stable releases, jumping straight in on unknown beta products is not good
[22:56] <pHreaksYcle1> this is true
[22:56] <afallenhope> is there an issue with mysql?
[22:56] <pHreaksYcle1> okay, ill be back
[22:56] <ikonia> afallenhope: what sort of issue ?
[22:56] <TuoDrable> ach, good news
[22:56] <pHreaksYcle1> ikonia: will you be here for awhile?
[22:56] <TuoDrable> my flash sound is fixed as well :)
[22:56] <afallenhope> ikonia, can't install it
[22:56] <ikonia> pHreaksYcle1: not sure, getting tired
[22:57] <ikonia> afallenhope: details detail details please.
[22:57] <pHreaksYcle1> iknonia: okay, may or may not see you
[22:57] <afallenhope> You have 1 broken package on your system! Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[22:57] <afallenhope> then.. I get the following: (E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10_amd64.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[22:58] <ikonia> afallenhope: remove the file from the cache - re-do apt-get update, then re-install the package, see if it gets teh same error
[22:58] <ikonia> afallenhope: normal issue is the dependencies have been updated, but your trying to install a version thats' from your cache, rarther than updated from the rpo
[22:58] <ikonia> repo
[22:58] <afallenhope> http://pastebin.ca/1384166
[22:59] <dooglus> can anyone suggest something please?
[22:59] <ikonia> dooglus: about what ?
[22:59] <dooglus> ikonia: I'm trying to install 9.04 beta inside windows by running wubi.exe
[22:59] <ikonia> dooglus: I suggest you don't
[22:59] <ultratek> can someone help me?
[22:59] <dooglus> a menu appears, I click the middle entry
[22:59] <dooglus> the menu disappears, and nothing else happens
[22:59] <dooglus> ikonia: why?
[22:59] <afallenhope> wubi is the devil lol.
[22:59] <ikonia> dooglus: I personally don't rate wubi - and using it on a beta product I rate even less
[23:00] <dooglus> afallenhope: I don't want the devel version - I have the desktop cd
[23:00] <ikonia> afallenhope: is that error afte ryou have removed the package from the cache ?
[23:00] <ikonia> dooglus: then why are you asking in the development channel ?
[23:00] <dooglus> ikonia: 'cos the #ubuntu channel won't support it
[23:00] <TuoDrable> ?
[23:00] <ikonia> dooglus: the development channel is used for 9.04 discussion
[23:00] <afallenhope> ikonia, not sure how to remove it from cache just did apt-cache gencaches
[23:01] <ikonia> dooglus: #ubuntu is the correct place to ask
[23:01] <dooglus> ikonia: ok, I want the 9.04 beta of the desktop cd
[23:01] <TuoDrable> nha
[23:01] <ikonia> dooglus: you just said you didn't
[23:01] <dooglus> ikonia: ok, if you say so
[23:01] <ikonia> dooglus: I've not seen you even ask in #ubuntu
[23:01] <ikonia>  dooglus> afallenhope: I don't want the devel version - I have the desktop cd
[23:01] <dooglus> ikonia: I've not asked about beta cds there for a year or two, but I doubt the rules have changed have they?
[23:01] <ikonia> dooglus: that's what you just said "I don't want the devel version"
[23:02] <afallenhope> dooglus, I never said devel I said DEVIL lol. as in Satan lol.
[23:02] <dooglus> ikonia: oh, I see.  by 'devel' you mean 'beta'?
[23:02] <ikonia> afallenhope: remove the file from  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[23:02] <ikonia> dooglus: yes
[23:02] <dooglus> afallenhope: which is the satanic version?
[23:02] <dooglus> I'm confused now
[23:02] <ikonia> dooglus: this channel is for 9.04 discussion
[23:02] <dooglus> I thoguht that was BSD
[23:02] <ikonia> just to be clear
[23:02] <ikonia> dooglus: check the /topic of the channel if your in any doubt
[23:02] <TuoDrable> haha :D
[23:03] <dooglus> ikonia: it says " hotkey-setup fixed, may still be mirroring | Welcome to the Ubuntu Jaunty Jacka"?
[23:03] <TuoDrable> dooglus, you are trying to install 9.04 via Wubi.exe, is that correct?
[23:03] <dooglus> TuoDrable: yes, that's correct
[23:03] <TuoDrable> allrighty
[23:03] <TuoDrable> then you're good here
[23:03] <filosofix> ikonia : do you know if ther is an issue with the latest nvidia-new driver and videoplayback ?
[23:03] <ikonia> dooglus: that's not what the topci says. Don't mess me around please.
[23:03] <dooglus> TuoDrable: I don't mind how much Satan it has - I just want it installed.  I'm currently running XP, so I doubt the levels of evil will increase by switching to ubuntu
[23:03] <dooglus> ikonia: I copy/pasted it exactly
[23:04] <evan_> hello! how can i add an second screen unto my laptop, nvidia card?
[23:04] <ikonia> dooglus: it says a lot more than 1 line - check again
[23:04] <ikonia> filosofix: no idea to be honest
[23:04] <TuoDrable> ikonia, it's allright
[23:04] <andre_pl> how do i configure what messages show up in the new notifier?
[23:04] <TuoDrable> dooglus, what's the problem with wubi?
[23:05] <andre_pl> can i disable certain pidgin notifications or anything like that?
[23:05] <andre_pl> i cant find a single config option
[23:05] <dooglus> TuoDrable: should I be able to just mount the .iso using MS's tool and then double-click wubi.exe to install?
[23:05] <TuoDrable> yes, dooglus, that's the idea
[23:05] <dooglus> TuoDrable: I mounted the .iso using something called VCdControlTool.exe that I got from microsoft.com
[23:05] <dooglus> double-click wubi.exe
[23:05] <dooglus> get a window with 3 choices - the middle one is 'install inside windows'
[23:05] <afallenhope> dooglus, I just meant to say that wubi.exe is bad.. some like it. others dont. I do not like it personally.
[23:06] <dooglus> I click that, the window disappears, the wubi.exe process disappears from the task manager, and nothing else appears to happen
[23:06] <TuoDrable> ok, and then?
[23:06] <filosofix> dooglus : you don't have to mount the iso
[23:06] <dooglus> filosofix: you mean I should burn it to a disk instead?
[23:06] <dooglus> TuoDrable: then I ran irssi and came here
[23:06] <filosofix> just put it in the same folder as wubi.exe and doubbleclick on wubi.exe
[23:07] <dooglus> filosofix: but wubi.exe is inside the .iso...
[23:07] <evan_> is here any nvidia fanboy willing to help me??
[23:07] <filosofix> dooglus : I guess you can mount it and copy wubi.exe to your harddrive then
[23:07] <TuoDrable> evan_, isn't there a whole nvidia settings menu?
[23:07] <andre_pl> evan_: whats up?
[23:08] <evan_> TuoDrable: a few days before they told me here not to use nvidia setting
[23:08] <filosofix> TuoDrable : nvidia-settings-manager
[23:08] <evan_> s
[23:08] <TuoDrable> aha
[23:08] <evan_> andre_pl: i want to add a secodn screen
[23:08] <TuoDrable> then I'm out :)
[23:08] <dooglus> filosofix: I'll try that
[23:08] <filosofix> TuoDrable : sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings-manager
[23:08] <dooglus> filosofix: the same happens
[23:09] <filosofix> dooglus : have you unmounted the iso?
[23:09] <dooglus> filosofix: no
[23:09] <dooglus> I'll do that
[23:09] <andre_pl> i always use nvidia-settings for that, and set them as separate x screens
[23:09] <andre_pl> haven't done it on jaunty though
[23:10] <dooglus> filosofix: now when I run wubi.exe the window pops up for a millisecond then vanishes again
[23:10] <evan_> andre_pl: ok ill just rtry again :)
[23:10] <dooglus> filosofix: I have ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso and wubi.exe in the same new folder
[23:10] <filosofix> dooglus : hmm..  wait one sec...
[23:10] <dooglus> filosofix: I've tried that
[23:10] <dooglus> filosofix: I've waited for 600 of them and still nothing
[23:11] <dooglus> I tried rebooting too, just in case something it didn't like was running
[23:11] <dooglus> I torrented the .iso file, and it passes the checksum after downloading, so I doubt it's corrupted
[23:12] <afallenhope> MySQL package is broken.. here's my log: http://pastebin.ca/1384183
[23:12] <Stormx2> right, how can I disable notifications? Most annoying feature ever ;_;
[23:13] <bruce89> gnome-straccitella-session
[23:13] <filosofix> dooglus : Then I guess you have encountered a buf ;)
[23:13] <filosofix> bug
[23:14] <filosofix> dooglus : I've not tried wubi on 9.04... have you tried the 8.10 version?
[23:14] <dooglus> filosofix: when I mount the iso, there are options like 'suppress UDF', 'suppress Joliet', and 'persistent mount'.  They're all unchecked by default.  Think checking them would help?
[23:14] <dooglus> filosofix: I've not
[23:15] <filosofix> dooglus : you don't have to mount the iso at all
[23:15] <dooglus> filosofix: it works better if I do
[23:15] <filosofix> dooglus : how?
[23:15] <dooglus> ie. I get to see the menu long enough for my brain to recognise it
[23:15] <dooglus> without the .iso mounted it flickers on and off the screen too fast to see
[23:16] <dooglus> of course, I'm only guessing it's the same menu - it's too fast to be sure
[23:16] <filosofix> dooglus : I would go for the stable release if I were you.
[23:17] <dooglus> when's that due?
[23:17] <TuoDrable> you know what dooglus... just burn the damn thing and make it run on boot
[23:17] <TuoDrable> then try it out
[23:17] <TuoDrable> see if it works
[23:17] <TuoDrable> if so, choose install
[23:17] <dooglus> TuoDrable: you can get wubi to run on boot?
[23:17] <dooglus> or you mean run it like a live CD?
[23:17] <TuoDrable> live cd
[23:17] <dooglus> I think then to install I'd have to repartition
[23:17] <filosofix> dooglus : just download the 8.10 Hardy Heron version from ubuntu.com
[23:17] <dooglus> I don't want to repartition - it's too risky
[23:18] <TuoDrable> ach, well
[23:18] <dooglus> filosofix: OK, I'll try that
[23:18] <TuoDrable> then take filosofix' advise
[23:18] <filosofix> dooglus : good luck then ;)
[23:18] <dooglus> filosofix: from releases.ubuntu.com?
[23:18] <TuoDrable> a question from me: how do I disable the system beep in kubuntu?
[23:18] <filosofix> dooglus : yup... 810
[23:19] <filosofix> 8.10 - Hardy Heron
[23:19] <TuoDrable> there was never a system beep in my Ubuntu 8.10
[23:19] <dooglus> is it worth reporting the issue I'm havinG?
[23:19] <filosofix> dooglus : yup it is ;)
[23:20] <Jason_CO> hi folks - -running kubuntu jaunty beta, and its working great except that i cant seem to get the nvidia driver to go for my GeForces 6600 -- i use jockey to install it - and it seems to install but it never activates
[23:20] <Jason_CO> any help would be apprecaited
[23:20] <filosofix> TuoDrable : in System ->Prefs -> Sounds   ?
[23:20] <Ienorand> filosofix: Hardy is 8.04, 8.10 is Ibex
[23:21] <filosofix> lenorand : so sorry
[23:21] <filosofix> lenorand : I should get to bed now ;)
[23:21] <TuoDrable> filosofix, where's the sound menu in kubuntu?
[23:22] <Ienorand> filosofix: I know I should, since I have nothing better to do than being pedantic on irc
[23:22] <TuoDrable> in ubuntu it's there, I've been there
[23:22] <filosofix> lenorand : ;)
[23:22] <bruce89> Ienorand: it's Intrepid anywa
[23:22] <filosofix> TuoDrable : I'm sorry, I didnt get that you were using kubuntu...
[23:22] <Ienorand> Jason_CO : This your bug?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/bug/342926
[23:23] <TuoDrable> no prob filosofix
[23:23] <TuoDrable> I better see if I can get a settings menu item instead
[23:23] <Ienorand> Jason_CO: That seems to be the most common reason for not being able to install them... I think
[23:23] <Jason_CO> Ienorand: that returned a page not found
[23:24] <Ienorand> Jason_CO: Ooops sorry:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/342926
[23:25] <Jason_CO> Ienorand: doesnt seem to be - this machien only has 1gb
[23:26] <Ienorand> Jason_CO: Hmm
[23:27] <TuoDrable> well have I ever...
[23:27] <TuoDrable> I found the system bell setting
[23:27] <TuoDrable> but it's off
[23:28] <|mstrkent|> Ienorand: back -- sorry -- client crash
[23:28] <TuoDrable> and I still hear it
[23:28] <TuoDrable> anybody?
[23:28] <Ienorand> Jason_CO: what does your Xorg log say about it?
[23:28] <jasonco_> hang on  -- lemme check
[23:28] <filosofix> TuoDrable : is it the speaker inside your computer you are hearing?
[23:28] <TuoDrable> yes, the system beep
[23:29] <TuoDrable> everytime I press backspace in this chat :)
[23:29] <TuoDrable> now I found the menu
[23:29] <TuoDrable> and the setting
[23:29] <TuoDrable> but it says it's disable
[23:29] <TuoDrable> d
[23:29] <TuoDrable> but it's... not really
[23:29] <Aizawa> How do I fix the hotkey-setup problem?
[23:30] <TuoDrable> there's a "fi" missing in /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup
[23:30] <jasonco_> Ienorand: Xorg.0.log doesnt seem to say anything about it
[23:30] <zash> TuoDrable: try rmmod pcspkr or similar
[23:31] <TuoDrable> thanks zash :)
[23:31] <Aizawa> TuoDrable: Where's the "fi" supposed to be?
[23:32] <Ienorand> jasonco_: Nothing about trying to load nvidia driver at all?
[23:32] <filosofix> TuoDrable : Have you tried to mute the system beeb in your volume-preferences?
[23:32] <TuoDrable> Aizawa, near the end of the file, after do_video
[23:32] <gnomefreak> TuoDrable: the fix has hit repos already
[23:33] <gnomefreak> hotkey-setup 0.1-23ubuntu12  is the fixed version
[23:33] <TuoDrable> oh well
[23:34] <TuoDrable> filosofix, rmmod pcspkr worked ;-)
[23:34] <Ienorand> jasonco_: What you also could try is uninstalling all packages with nvidia in their name and reinstalling the appropriate nvidia-glx-### driver package (e.g. 180 177)
[23:35] <jasonco_> Ienorand: the only thing i can find is in /var/log/messages about a segault in glxinfo
[23:35] <jasonco_> ok
[23:36] <jasonco_> Ienorand: is it safe to assume it will pull in with it everything it needs?
[23:37] <TuoDrable> allright, I'm going to sleep
[23:37] <TuoDrable> see ya later
[23:37] <histo> this should be interesting updating my server to jaunty via ssh
[23:38] <histo> err should say while i'm ssh'd in issued do-release
[23:38] <Ienorand> jasonco_: It worked for me, can't promise anything on your behalf...
[23:38] <jasonco_> okies
[23:38] <histo> !worksforme
[23:38] <bruce89> histo: servers using a devel relase sounds bad
[23:38] <histo> bruce89: its in my house not really serving much other than a printer and home dns
[23:39] <bruce89> even so, Jaunty's not going to make much difference (hopefully)
[23:40] <histo> The boot times are pretty impresive


[10:37] <Guest87> hi all
[10:37] <Guest87> I have question on thunderbird on ubuntu mate
[10:38] <Guest87> How to hide email addresss on thunderbird and how to have password prompt at launch
[10:38] <Guest87> ?
[10:39] <Mekaneck> not Ubuntu Mate related but thunderbird, so ask them
[10:40] <Guest87> whenever I have to  restart computer, I have to find and connect and pair my bluetooth mouse in ubuntu mate
[10:40] <Guest87> How can I prevent that?
[10:42] <Mekaneck> ask on the forum, there's not much activity here in the channel at this point
[10:47] <sixwheeledbeast> Guest87: it's off topic but the thunderbird password is available as an addon i can't recall what it's called.
[10:47] <sixwheeledbeast> ...
[11:08] <alkisg> I'm using thunderbird with a master password without an addon
[11:08] <alkisg> But I think it was in the "experimental new features" and I needed to enable something in about:config
[11:08] <alkisg> I found a tutorial about that in google, it should be easy to search it
[11:36] <sixwheeledbeast> that souds familiar maybe master password was an addon but got integrated like the calender stuffs.
[11:36] <sixwheeledbeast> lightning? or whatever it was called
[14:52] <Elliria> Hey there, does anyone have a link to a page that does a round-up of all the different ways one can add external software to Ubuntu (like snaps, .deb files, PPAs, etc.)? I've been searching on Google, but am going down a whole lot of related rabbit holes without finding all of it on one page.
[15:02] <sixwheeledbeast> I doubt they would be.
[15:03] <sixwheeledbeast> You could download sources and compile them too, repos. Is there a reason?
[15:05] <Elliria> Yeah, I'm answering a mailing list message and suggesting that the person, who sounds like he wants to always have cutting-edge software, might want to consider one of those ways of getting it onto his machine.
[15:06] <Elliria> First, I recommended that he try using the Ubuntu interim releases instead of the LTS releases he's using.
[15:06] <Elliria> But I figured I'd add the other info just in case and don't want to litter the message with a whole bunch of links or don't give him any at all.
[15:14] <alkisg> If he wants the latest, he could use a rolling distribution
[15:14] <Elliria> Ubuntu doesn't offer that, does it?
[15:15] <superkuh> If you want latest Ubuntu isn't the best choice.
[15:15] <Elliria> He mentioned that the software he uses is released every 6 months, which is why I figured the Ubuntu interim releases would suit him. But the six-month mark might not coincide with his schedule, which is why I thought I'd suggest possibly using external ways of getting the latest software.
[15:15] <superkuh> Adding a bunch of out of repo hacks will just make it so you can never upgrade to the next release.
[15:16] <Elliria> Agreed.
[15:16] <Elliria> I don't decide, though. I just lay down the options and let others decide.
[15:17] <superkuh> I guess I'd say there's 4 classes. Normal and extended repo stuff, PPAs, containers (flatpack, snap, appimage, etc), and compiling it yourself.
[15:18] <superkuh> Oh, I guess just downloading binaries and hoping works too.
[15:18] <Elliria> Thanks. I'll add the parts of that that I was missing in my list to the message I'm sending him.
[16:41] <Swift110-mobile> sup folks


[08:07] <elacheche> https://github.com/Lukas-W/font-linux
[08:07] <u-la-la> [ GitHub - Lukas-W/font-linux: An icon font providing popular linux distro's logos ] - https://github.com
[08:14] <praisethemoon> good morning
[08:23] <elacheche> Hey praisethemoon
[08:24] <praisethemoon> good day elacheche
[08:24] <praisethemoon> How is it going?
[08:24] <elacheche> Good praisethemoon :=
[08:24] <praisethemoon> I see you managed to survive through your coffee thurst pain xD
[08:29] <elacheche> As far as no one mention "coffee" -_-
[08:29] <elacheche> Thank you -_-
[09:11] <elacheche> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=radeonsi-win-catching&num=1
[09:11] <u-la-la> [ Radeon's Open-Source Linux GPU Driver Has Nearly Caught Up With Windows' Driver - Phoronix ] - http://www.phoronix.com
[09:12] <praisethemoon> I don't see any reason why they would not match Windows drivers' performance
[09:12] <praisethemoon> wait .. unless the original driver is closed source :/
[09:13] <elacheche> You got it :
[09:13] <elacheche> :)
[18:58] <fwhcat> yop