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[01:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gap-autodoc [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2017.09.08-1] (no packageset)
[03:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: e17 [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.22.1-3] (no packageset)
[03:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libio-stream-perl [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.0.2-1] (no packageset)
[03:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: e17 [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.22.1-3] (no packageset)
[03:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: e17 [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.22.1-3] (no packageset)
[03:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: e17 [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.22.1-3] (no packageset)
[04:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: e17 [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.22.1-3] (no packageset)
[04:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: e17 [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.22.1-3] (no packageset)
[05:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ssh-tools [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/none) [1.4-1] (no packageset)
[06:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-rsqlite [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2.1.0-1]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-music [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+ds-1]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-music [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+ds-1]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted e17 [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.22.1-3]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted e17 [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [0.22.1-3]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted e17 [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [0.22.1-3]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libio-stream-perl [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.2-1]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-music [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+ds-1]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted e17 [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [0.22.1-3]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gap-autodoc [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2017.09.08-1]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted e17 [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.22.1-3]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ssh-tools [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.4-1]
[06:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted e17 [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [0.22.1-3]
[06:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: haskell-hledger-ui (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.2-1 => 1.2-1build1] (no packageset)
[06:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: haskell-hledger-web (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.2-1 => 1.2-1build1] (no packageset)
[07:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openjdk-lts (cosmic-proposed/main) [10.0.1+10-3ubuntu1 => 10.0.1+10-4ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[07:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openjdk-lts [source] (cosmic-proposed) [10.0.1+10-4ubuntu1]
[07:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted haskell-hledger-ui [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.2-1build1]
[07:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted haskell-hledger-web [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.2-1build1]
[07:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: r-cran-withr (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.1.0-1ubuntu3 => 2.1.2-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[07:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vdr-plugin-games (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.6.3-46ubuntu1 => 0.6.3-46ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[07:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gr-gsm (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.41.2-2 => 0.41.2-2build1] (no packageset)
[07:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openggsn (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.92-2 => 0.92-2build1] (no packageset)
[07:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openbsc (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-2 => 1.0.0-2build1] (no packageset)
[07:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: osmo-bts (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.7.0-1 => 0.7.0-1build1] (no packageset)
[07:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gr-gsm [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.41.2-2build1]
[07:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openggsn [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.92-2build1]
[07:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-withr [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2.1.2-2]
[07:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openbsc [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0.0-2build1]
[07:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted vdr-plugin-games [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.6.3-46ubuntu2]
[07:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted osmo-bts [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7.0-1build1]
[07:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: proftpd-mod-autohost (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.4-2 => 0.4-2build1] (no packageset)
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: proftpd-mod-clamav (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.14~rc2-1build2 => 0.14~rc2-1build3] (no packageset)
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: proftpd-mod-tar (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.3.3-2 => 0.3.3-2build1] (no packageset)
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: proftpd-mod-case (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.7+git73896501cf-1 => 0.7+git73896501cf-1build1] (no packageset)
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: proftpd-mod-vroot (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.9.4-2 => 0.9.4-2build1] (no packageset)
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: proftpd-mod-dnsbl (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.1.5-4build3 => 0.1.5-4build4] (no packageset)
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted proftpd-mod-autohost [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.4-2build1]
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted proftpd-mod-clamav [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.14~rc2-1build3]
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted proftpd-mod-tar [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.3-2build1]
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted proftpd-mod-case [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.7+git73896501cf-1build1]
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted proftpd-mod-vroot [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.9.4-2build1]
[07:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted proftpd-mod-dnsbl [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.1.5-4build4]
[07:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dune-grid-glue (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.6~20180130-1 => 2.6~20180130-1build1] (no packageset)
[07:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dune-pdelab (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.6~20180302-1 => 2.6~20180302-1build1] (no packageset)
[07:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dune-grid (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.6.0-1 => 2.6.0-1build1] (no packageset)
[08:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dune-grid-glue [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.6~20180130-1build1]
[08:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dune-pdelab [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.6~20180302-1build1]
[08:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted dune-grid [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.6.0-1build1]
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: glewlwyd (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3.1-1 => 1.3.1-1build1] (no packageset)
[08:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ulfius (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.2.4-1 => 2.2.4-1build1] (no packageset)
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: hoel (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3.1-1 => 1.3.1-1build1] (no packageset)
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: yder (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.3.3-2 => 1.3.3-2build1] (no packageset)
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glewlwyd [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.3.1-1build1]
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ulfius [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.2.4-1build1]
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted hoel [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.3.1-1build1]
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted yder [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.3.3-2build1]
[08:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: llvm-toolchain-3.7 (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1:3.7.1-5ubuntu3 => 1:3.7.1-5ubuntu4] (no packageset)
[08:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted llvm-toolchain-3.7 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1:3.7.1-5ubuntu4]
[08:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libfcgi-ev-perl [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.0.1-1] (no packageset)
[08:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libfcgi-ev-perl [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.1-1]
[09:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bpfcc (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.5.0-5ubuntu1 => 0.5.0-5ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[09:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bpfcc [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.5.0-5ubuntu2]
[11:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gnuradio [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2] (no packageset)
[11:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mmdb [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.0.5-1] (no packageset)
[11:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mmdb [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.0.5-1] (no packageset)
[11:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mmdb [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.0.5-1] (no packageset)
[11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mmdb [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.0.5-1] (no packageset)
[11:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mmdb [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.0.5-1] (no packageset)
[11:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mmdb [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [2.0.5-1] (no packageset)
[11:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: biboumi (cosmic-proposed/universe) [7.2-2 => 7.2-2build1] (no packageset)
[11:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qtcreator (cosmic-proposed/universe) [4.6.0-3 => 4.6.0-3build1] (qt5)
[11:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: edbus (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.7.10-1ubuntu2 => 1.7.10-1ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: elementary (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.8.5-2 => 1.8.5-2build1] (no packageset)
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: terminology (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-3 => 1.1.1-3build1] (no packageset)
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: intone (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.77+git20120308-1build3 => 0.77+git20120308-1build4] (no packageset)
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted biboumi [source] (cosmic-proposed) [7.2-2build1]
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted elementary [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.8.5-2build1]
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtcreator [source] (cosmic-proposed) [4.6.0-3build1]
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted edbus [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.7.10-1ubuntu3]
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted terminology [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.1.1-3build1]
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted intone [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.77+git20120308-1build4]
[12:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-7 (cosmic-proposed/main) [7.3.0-17ubuntu1 => 7.3.0-18ubuntu1] (core)
[12:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-7 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [7.3.0-18ubuntu1]
[12:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-7 (cosmic-proposed/main) [7.3.0-17ubuntu1 => 7.3.0-18ubuntu2] (core)
[12:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-7 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [7.3.0-18ubuntu2]
[12:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-8 (cosmic-proposed/main) [8.1.0-1ubuntu2 => 8.1.0-1ubuntu3] (core)
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-8 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [8.1.0-1ubuntu3]
[12:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libplack-handler-fcgi-ev-perl [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.01-1] (no packageset)
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnuradio [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2]
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mmdb [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.5-1]
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mmdb [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.5-1]
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mmdb [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.5-1]
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libplack-handler-fcgi-ev-perl [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.01-1]
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mmdb [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.5-1]
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mmdb [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.5-1]
[12:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mmdb [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [2.0.5-1]
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: emacs-pdf-tools (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.80-3 => 0.80-3build1] (no packageset)
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zathura-cb (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.1.8-2 => 0.1.8-2build1] (no packageset)
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zathura-pdf-poppler (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.2.9-1 => 0.2.9-1build1] (no packageset)
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zathura (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.3.9-2 => 0.3.9-2build1] (no packageset)
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gummi (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.6.6-4 => 0.6.6-4build1] (no packageset)
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zathura-ps (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.2.6-1 => 0.2.6-1build1] (no packageset)
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zathura-djvu (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.2.8-1 => 0.2.8-1build1] (no packageset)
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted emacs-pdf-tools [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.80-3build1]
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zathura-cb [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.1.8-2build1]
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zathura-pdf-poppler [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.2.9-1build1]
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zathura [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.9-2build1]
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gummi [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.6.6-4build1]
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zathura-ps [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.2.6-1build1]
[14:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted zathura-djvu [source] (cosmic-proposed) [0.2.8-1build1]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gr-fosphor [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>.7b6b996-3] (no packageset)
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gr-fosphor [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>.7b6b996-3]
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ssm [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.4.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ssm [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.4.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ssm [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.4.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ssm [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.4.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ssm [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.4.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ssm [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.4.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: parole (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.0.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.0.1-1] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu) (sync)
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tumbler (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-0ubuntu1 => 0.2.1-1] (xubuntu) (sync)
[19:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kwallet-pam (cosmic-proposed/universe) [4:5.12.5-0ubuntu1 => 4:5.12.5-0ubuntu2] (kubuntu)
[19:06] <wxl> where are the mini.iso hashes published at?
[19:17] <infinity> wxl: In the parent directory.
[19:17] <infinity> wxl: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
[19:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ssm [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[19:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ssm [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[19:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ssm [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[19:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ssm [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[19:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ssm [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[19:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ssm [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [1.4.0-1]
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: readline (cosmic-proposed/main) [7.0-4ubuntu1 => 7.0-5] (core) (sync)
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kwallet-pam [source] (cosmic-proposed) [4:5.12.5-0ubuntu2]
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted readline [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [7.0-5]
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted parole [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0.1-1]
[19:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tumbler [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.2.1-1]
[20:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgnatcoll [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [17.0.2017-4] (no packageset)
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgnatcoll [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [17.0.2017-4] (no packageset)
[20:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: starpu-contrib [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/multiverse) [1.2.4+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[20:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: starpu-contrib [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/multiverse) [1.2.4+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libgnatcoll [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [17.0.2017-4]
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted starpu-contrib [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.2.4+dfsg-1]
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libgnatcoll [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [17.0.2017-4]
[20:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted starpu-contrib [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [1.2.4+dfsg-1]
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgnatcoll [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [17.0.2017-4] (no packageset)
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libgnatcoll [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [17.0.2017-4] (no packageset)
[20:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libgnatcoll [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [17.0.2017-4]
[20:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libgnatcoll [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [17.0.2017-4]
[20:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: golang-pault-go-archive [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.0~git20180223.29fe7b6-1] (no packageset)
[20:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-pault-go-archive [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.0~git20180223.29fe7b6-1]
[21:52]  * tsimonq2 wonders when things will be finalized so we don't have to listen to the bot. ;)
[21:53] <valorie> poor thing, progress is sooooo noisy!
[22:24] <wxl> how does the whole minimal-install thing work for flavors? cuz i don't think it's working for lubuntu, at least not in an expected way
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nftables [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.4-1] (no packageset)
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: nftables [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8.4-1] (no packageset)
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[23:36] <infinity> wxl: It does exactly nothing unless your livefs build spits out a manifest-minimal-remove file like so: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/cosmic/ubuntu/+build/131330
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[00:40] <jphilips> anyone experienced with gnome software can explain the updates tab, as there is an update for firefox in software updater but nothing shows up on the updates tab
[00:41] <jphilips> the usability and bugs in gnome center keep me away from using it
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[00:20] <tuga3d> hi all!
[00:20] <tuga3d> does anybody uses blender?
[00:20] <evil_tech> whats blender
[00:21] <tuga3d> www.blender.org
[00:21] <evil_tech> nifty
[00:24] <tuga3d> ? what's nifty?
[00:24] <tuga3d> i don't know the word, sorry.
[00:24] <evil_tech> nifty= cool
[00:25] <tuga3d> :)
[00:26] <tuga3d> i've just compile the latest svn source of blender and i'm having a little problem, and if someone here uses it i could compare
[00:47] <neur1> hello again
[00:54] <neur1> anyone else trying to use xubuntu with a thinkpad?
[00:54] <crimsun> I've used an X41 pretty consistently with several Xubuntu releases
[00:55] <neur1> I have an old one and have sound issues (600E)
[00:55] <evil_tech> thinking about putting it on my T40
[00:55] <crimsun> neur1: namely, "it doesn't work" or "no sound card detected"?
[00:55] <evil_tech> thats a common issue with the 600e
[00:55] <neur1> lol yes
[00:55] <evil_tech> xubuntu mis identifies the soundcard
[00:56] <crimsun> neur1: right, fairly easily resolved.  Use http://trilug.org/~crimsun/tp-init-snd-cs4236.sh
[00:56] <neur1> ebay special
[00:56] <crimsun> neur1: also, make sure fast/quick/easy boot is /disabled/ in bios.
[00:56] <neur1> did the bio's thing
[00:57] <crimsun> evil_tech: err, no, it doesn't misidentify it.  It's a resource clash with non-compliant hardware.
[00:57] <crimsun> pretty common back then, and sadly, even today.
[00:57] <evil_tech> oh
[00:59] <evil_tech> the place i got the fix from has the problem labeled wrong
[01:00] <neur1> whoa is that a link to a file to download?
[01:00] <crimsun> neur1: yes.
[01:01] <crimsun> neur1: it's a community-written script that I modified for *buntu quite some time ago.
[01:01] <neur1> do i save or open with less (default)?
[01:01] <tuga3d> how do i share an internet connection in xubuntu?
[01:02] <crimsun> neur1: save it.
[01:02] <neur1> o.k.
[01:03] <crimsun> (you'll need to execute it with sudo)
[01:03] <neur1> open a terminal?
[01:03] <alain> Unable to contact the Xfce Trash service. anyone know something about this ?
[01:05] <neur1> crimsun, how do I execute?
[01:06] <crimsun> neur1: sudo bash tp-init-snd-cs4236.sh
[01:07] <neur1> what if I get no file or directory
[01:07] <neur1> how do I point it to the file
[01:08] <crimsun> neur1: did you download it to your desktop?
[01:08] <neur1> it's on the desktop yes
[01:08] <crimsun> neur1: then it probably needs to be `sudo bash ~/Desktop/tp-init-snd-cs4236.sh`
[01:09] <crimsun> I don't recall offhand if the Desktop entry has the same dirname
[01:10] <neur1> still no file found
[01:10] <crimsun> find ~ -name 'tp-init-snd-cs4236.sh'
[01:11] <crimsun> (what does that command return?)
[01:12] <neur1> - /home/neuro: is a directory
[01:13] <crimsun> you need to copy and paste verbatim what I typed above
[01:13] <neur1> including find?
[01:13] <crimsun> yes.
[01:13] <crimsun> the entire command /exactly/ as I typed it.
[01:14] <neur1> nothing it goes to a new line
[01:14] <crimsun> ok, now replace the '~' with '/'
[01:15] <neur1> permision denied
[01:27] <crimsun> neur1: for which command?
[01:29] <neur1> when i changed ~ to /
[01:31] <neur1> find / -name 'tp-init-snd-cs4236.sh'
[01:40] <neur1> should I move it to a home file?
[01:40] <crimsun> just download it again and save it to your unprivileged user's home directory
[01:48] <neur1> so just leave it on the desktop for now?
[01:48] <crimsun> right, and then run the original command I gave you (using ~/Desktop)
[01:49] <neur1> instead of find
[01:49] <crimsun> yes
[01:54] <neur1> this? ~/desktop ~ -name 'tp-init-snd-cs4236.sh'
[01:54] <crimsun> no
[01:54] <crimsun> sudo bash ~/Desktop/tp-init-snd-cs4236.sh
[01:55] <crimsun> the coffee shop is closing here, so I need to go
[01:55] <neur1> o.k. thank you
[02:02] <merovingian58> if anyone has some experience with my problem, i'd appreciate some help.  my roommate is trying to install ubuntu, and I am trying to install xubuntu.  i've tried the installer and the alternate installer for version 7.10.  We both get the installers to start, and then about 3/4 of the way through the install, our laptops go to a black screen and the install stops dead.  any advice???
[02:28] <s2welee> I am noticing that the battery monitor seems to use quite a bit of processor power.  Has anyone else noticed this?
[02:29] <merovingian58> if anyone has some experience with my problem, i'd appreciate some help.  my roommate is trying to install ubuntu, and I am trying to install xubuntu.  i've tried the installer and the alternate installer for version 7.10.  We both get the installers to start, and then about 3/4 of the way through the install, our laptops go to a black screen and the install stops dead.  any advice???
[02:36] <s2welee> merovingian58:  I had a similar issue and I could not ever get around it.  I ended up installing 7.04 with no issues.  I am not sure why, but it might be worth a shot.
[02:37] <merovingian58> thanks for that.  i'm going to try it!
[02:39] <s2welee> I cannot assure you that it will work, but all of my 7.04 installs have gone much better than 7.10.  Good luck!
[03:45] <mortal1> let me rephrase that, can anyone tell me how to reconfigure x like it did when i installed xubuntu (alternate install)
[04:13] <homebrewcider> can someone tell me how to check if my video card is properly identified and using the appropriate drivers please?
[04:19] <homebrewcider> sorry DC, can someone tell me how to check if my video card is properly identified and using the appropriate drivers please
[04:26] <mortal1> could someone please tell me how to install the whole OO.org suite, and make it so that OO sees the sun jdk I've installed from repositories and doesn't ask for gcj
[04:27] <homebrewcider> install OO from system>add/remove
[04:27] <homebrewcider> worked for me
[04:28] <mortal1> homebrewcider, that installs gcj, I have sun's jdk already installed
[04:28] <homebrewcider> ah okay
[04:28] <mortal1> i do not want gcj on my machine, as it is the spawn of satan...
[04:30] <homebrewcider> can someone tell me how to check if my video card is properly identified and using the appropriate drivers please
[04:42] <somerville32> homebrewcider, I forget the command, sorry :(
[05:13] <toot> i need help with the live cd
[05:13] <toot> it isnot working
[05:13] <toot> what can i do
[05:14] <toot> any help here or i should see another place


[00:05] <minimal> falcojr: noticed that growpart/RPI/LUKS issues. A couple of things, in the launchpad bug you said "That can only happen once the encrypted partition has been unlocked", as its a RPI (where boot is a separate non-encrypted partition/fs) and he mentioned its the root encryption (holding rootfs) that's encrypted then by the time that cloud-init runs to run growpart then the rootpart would obviously be unlocked that that stage.
[00:07] <minimal> falcojr: the other point is that he said he used cryptsetup with "-sector-size 4096". The cryptsetup manpage says that's only available for LUKSv2 and says that the sector size should not be large than the underlying device's sector size, so unless he's using a 4K device (I'd assume a 4K/4K devices rather than a 512/4K device even) then using "--sector-size 4096" is risky
[00:10] <minimal> falcojr: I've been meaning to test growpart with LUKS partitions, I just haven't gotten around to it so far but I'll try and find some time to test it and see what happens (none of this is RPI-specific, I've got scripts to create Adiantum-based LUKS rootfs VMs (with cloud-init) disk images
[07:02] <meena> on (Open)BSD we could replace sudo with doas…
[13:51] <meena> mounts module claims it works on all distros, but config.tmpl disables it on BSD
[13:56] <meena> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1992798
[13:56] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 1992798 in cloud-init "cc_mounts: module claims it works on all distros, but config disables it on BSD" [Undecided, New]
[13:59] <minimal> meena: perhaps it just hasn't been tested by anyone on BSD?
[14:00] <meena> minimal: makes sense
[14:01] <minimal> meena: not sure if /etc/fstab fields are exactly the same between Linux and BSD
[14:02] <meena> https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?fstab(5)#EXAMPLES
[14:03] <meena> minimal: looks the same as on my Linux box
[14:10] <minimal> try it and see, its the best way to know :-)
[14:17] <meena> minimal: it's on my todo list
[20:47] <hadmut> Hi, question about cloud-init on LXD: I want to provide both user-data and vendor-data, but the vendor-data is not executed if user-data is present, only if absent. Why that? Shouldn't they be executed both?
[20:48] <falcojr> hadmut if both define the same keys, user data will ovewrite vendor data. Would that be relevant in your case?
[20:48] <blackboxsw> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/vendordata.html?#vendor-data mentions the intent and reasoning there for merge priority
[20:48] <hadmut> Both do correctly arrive in /var/lib/cloud/instances/UUID/cloud-config.txt and vendor-cloud-config.txt
[20:49] <hadmut> Currently just testing, each containing just a runcmd – touch somefilename
[20:50] <hadmut> So vendor cannot execute a command if user executes any other command?
[20:52] <meena> holman: re https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1783 why are you reverting the sys.executable change here: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1778 ?
[20:52] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1783 in canonical/cloud-init "Do not override existing value for PYTHON and do not hardocde the binary in unittest target" [Open]
[20:52] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1778 in canonical/cloud-init "Ansible Control Module" [Open]
[20:52] <waldi> hadmut: so "if both define the same keys" is true
[20:55] <hadmut> waldi does this make any sense if any command executed by the user cancels all commands given by the vendor?
[20:55] <waldi> hadmut: and your case is even described in the document blackboxsw gave you
[20:55] <holman> meena: that was unintentional, fixed
[20:56] <hadmut> waldi blackboxsw not really. I've read that before, and it stresses that the user *can* disable the vendor, if he wants, but not, that his data enforces cancelling.
[20:57] <blackboxsw> hadmut: right. any user can override anything vendors perfer by providing same config keys in their own user-data or going so far as providing the following to turn off any vendor_data
[20:57] <blackboxsw> #cloud-config
[20:57] <blackboxsw> vendor_data:
[20:57] <blackboxsw>   enabled: false
[20:58] <falcojr> hadmut: https://i.imgur.com/Wh4wyAa.png
[20:59] <falcojr> also, if you're looking to just run a script, I'm pretty sure you can just pass a script for vendor data, rather than cloud-config
[20:59] <blackboxsw> and vendor scripts themselves can be put into custom images in /var/lib/cloud/scripts/vendor if desired which won't get overwritten https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#scripts-vendor
[21:00] <meena> holman: good, good https://youtu.be/01-e3-6CVn0
[21:04] <hadmut> I have not yet figured out where this scripts/vendor directory is on LXD. The docs just say "On select Datasources"...
[21:05] <hadmut> Are you just experienced users, or are you developers/product owners?
[21:06] <blackboxsw> good pt falcojr on passing a script as vendor_data. If cloud-init recognized the #! it would just run that and it won't be overridden by typical #cloud-config userdata https://paste.opendev.org/show/bUv7BmkZ5VDpcYCpvtRm/   hadmut
[21:07] <blackboxsw> the paste above shows how to quicky set both vendor-data and user-data and have them both active w/out collision
[21:08] <blackboxsw> per "I have not yet figured out where this scripts/vendor directory is on LXD" sorry that's a doc problem, I'll fix that now hadmut. `/var/lib/cloud/sciprts/vendor` on any dataousrce
[21:08] <blackboxsw> *datasource
[21:08] <falcojr> blackboxsw: surprised that worked tbh...you have no #! in your vendor data
[21:09] <hadmut> So how would I put a script in there if write_files: doesn't work either?
[21:10] <blackboxsw>  falcojr hadmut sorry paste fail. re-paste of the above https://paste.opendev.org/show/bUFTdWpF69iL5c3fcr5O/
[21:10] <blackboxsw> I have a leading shebang there
[21:10] <meena> falcojr: to test the change you suggested for cc_ntp, i opened: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1992853
[21:10] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 1992853 in cloud-init "add sysvinit config for OpenBSD" [Undecided, New]
[21:12] <falcojr> makes sense
[21:12] <blackboxsw> hadmut: falcojr.holman and I are upstream developers for cloud-init, meena/minimal are  two super active contributors from BSD and Alpine respoectively. waldi, thanks for helping here too!
[21:13] <hadmut> So you need to run a shebang shell script to workaround a design that doesn't work itself?
[21:13] <meena> for a project sponsored by the FreeBSD Foundation, I'm doing way too much work for OpenBSD…
[21:14] <hadmut> Why do the docs then claim that vendor-data just works as user-data, if such workarounds are needed?
[21:14] <blackboxsw> hadmut: the design works as intended.   base configuration comes from the filesystem comes first in terms of merge priority the default config metadata from a cloud can supplement/override that config, then vendor data, then user-data
[21:15] <falcojr> hadmut: "user supplied cloud-config is merged over cloud-config from vendordata." is on the vendor data page
[21:15] <blackboxsw> because priority of final configuration should be in the hands ultimately of the user to squelch or silence any vendordata or base config they don't want.
[21:16] <blackboxsw> back in a few folks. short conference
[21:18] <meena> also: merging scripts sounds pretty dangerous to me
[21:19] <hadmut> Sorry to say that, no offense, but a broken design never ever got better by mentioning in the docs that it is broken.
[21:19] <sam_> minimal: sorry, been busy last few days, if I have tried openrc+gentoo, it was a while ago, I can ask around though
[21:20] <meena> sam_: would be cool if you could also get a feel for how common it is.
[21:21] <minimal> sam_: no problem, I'm still intending to submit openrc tweaks for Alpine in alpine.py but perhaps they later be made more generic to also cover Gentoo
[21:22] <minimal> hadmut: as blackboxsw indicated it is working as intended so it is not broken
[21:23] <meena> it might be unintuitive, but that's a different issue
[21:24] <hadmut> minimal: working as intended is not enough for not beeing broken, especially if broken by design. Everything broken by design is as intended. The problem is that this leads to unpredictable results because you never know when a user (who usually doesnt see vendor data) accidently overrides a some configuration details. Sorry, but that is terrible.
[21:24] <meena> if you think about it for a while tho, you will realize that it makes no sense: vendor-data is often opaque to users, so there could be destructive interactions
[21:26] <hadmut> meena: Exactly, that's the problem. And if that was intended, this is broken by design.
[21:28] <minimal> hadmut: I don't want to start an argument, you believe it is broken by design, others may not believe that
[21:29] <hadmut> minimal: for every broken design, there is someone not believing it's broken, e.g. those who broke it.
[21:30] <meena> hadmut: that's enough now. we get it.
[21:30] <hadmut> Thank you. Bye.
[21:31] <meena> people should not use system configuration / provisioning software in anger.
[22:16] <blackboxsw> -> back school parent/teacher conference achieved.
[22:16] <minimal> blackbox: drama missed lol
[22:17] <blackboxsw> thx folks for continuing the conversation minimal & meena. :)
[22:19] <blackboxsw>  In the meantime, sounds like a feature would be to allow the broader visibility to vendordata (which can be seen from a user's point of view with cloud-init query vendordata)  or possibly the ability to  allow a datasource or base config to scope #cloud-config vendor-data as something treated distinctly that wouldn't collide or merge w/ user-data #cloud-config
[22:20] <blackboxsw> that represents in a change in behavior from how this was vendor-data was treated in the past, but we still have the user-data switch to "vendor_data:\n enable: false" that could provide users the say as to whether or not they trust vendor_data for their particular deployment needs.
[22:24] <blackboxsw> " The problem is that this leads to unpredictable results because you never know when a user (who usually doesnt see vendor data) accidently overrides a some configuration details...." valid feature request. We could easily make this more conspicuous by logging warnings when we see user-data #cloud-config keys that override vendor-data. So that'd raise awareness for users unaware of such overrides.
[22:26] <blackboxsw> but. we should ultimately allow users to retain control to be able to override vendor-data or disable it completely if unwanted. What we have at the moment is granularity for overrides in any vendor_data key due to our merge order prioritization. Maybe they want some of vendor_data to apply, but not others for certain use-cases.  `vendor_data: enable:(true|false)` only gives the user a hammer to ignore  all vendor_data.
[22:27] <blackboxsw> this would need more thought to spec out implications. but, yeah maybe hadmut will return and help participate in developing that use-case more :)


[00:03] <doctormo> maco: I see him every Sunday now at Grendals.
[00:03] <doctormo> paultag: You winding down on BT and UbuntuStudio?
[00:09] <JFo> <- building song set lists for Budapest just in case I get to DJ again. :-)
[01:34]  * mhall119 hopes the narwals song is on the list
[01:44] <paultag> doctormo: just BT. Why?
[01:44] <doctormo> paultag: curious about your step down email.
[01:45] <paultag> doctormo: ah. Did not know you were on beginners
[01:46] <doctormo> paultag: that's the third time you've said that
[01:47] <Pendulum> paultag: you stepped down from BT?
[01:48] <paultag> Pendulum: yes, it's quite depressing. It's my "Home" team. I'm going to maintain membership, just because it was my first team ( and being on the team when we started it and stuff )
[01:48]  * Pendulum hugs paultag
[01:48] <paultag> Pendulum: but I'm leaving all my leadership roles behind me for the BT to try and snag some breathing room
[01:48]  * paultag hugs Pendulum
[01:48] <Pendulum> *nods*
[01:49] <paultag> It's a bit sad, but it's been a while coming
[01:49]  * doctormo hugs Pendulum
[01:49]  * Pendulum hugs doctormo
[01:49] <Pendulum> there has not be enough hugging in this channel lately
[01:49] <paultag> +1 to that
[01:49] <doctormo> +1
[01:50]  * doctormo hugs jcastro
[01:50] <paultag> Yeah, it's a shame but I'm getting burned out, so I need to drop weight. Sadsies.
[01:50] <paultag> I'll blog about it after the process is in progress, methinks
[01:50] <Pendulum> better to take care of yourself
[01:50] <paultag> +1 Pendulum
[03:03]  * nigelb hugs paultag
[03:14] <doctormo> Most awesome wallpaper, must be seen!
[03:14] <doctormo> http://fav.me/d398ufo
[03:57] <akgraner-android> Woo hoo finally got irc working on my phone...i luv my phone
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:40] <nigelb> hey dholbach :)
[07:40] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:40] <dholbach> nigelb, what's "hello" in Hindi or Malayalam?
[07:40] <dholbach> or well, how would you pronounce it?
[07:43] <nigelb> dholbach: 'Namaskaram' in malyalam and 'Namaste' in Hindi :)
[07:43] <dholbach> ah yes, in Hindi I should've known, yes :)
[07:43] <dholbach> one of the few non-food-related words I remember ;-)
[07:43] <nigelb> haha
[07:43] <nigelb> Paneer must be your favorite food word :p
[07:44] <dholbach> one of them, yes :)
[07:44] <dholbach> and it's the same in Persian
[07:44] <nigelb> Ahhh.
[07:45] <dholbach> what's chicken? morgh?
[07:45] <nigelb> Murg in Hindi
[07:45] <dholbach> 'morgh' in Persian :)
[07:46] <dholbach> it always makes me chuckle when I look at a menu :)
[07:46] <nigelb> heh
[07:46] <nigelb> All this talk of food reminds me its lunch time ^-^
[07:46] <dholbach> ok, it's breakfast time, I should put Indian food out of my mind for a bit
[07:47] <nigelb> hehe
[08:07] <dpm> good morning all
[08:11] <nigelb> hola dpm, ara :)
[08:12] <dpm> hey nigelb
[08:56] <dholbach> oh no!
[08:57] <dholbach> #u-classroom is booked on Friday 4th March already
[08:57] <dholbach> pleia2, ^ can we move this somewhere else? :/
[08:57] <dholbach> that's UDW week
[08:58] <nigelb> let me look
[09:00] <dholbach> the Fridge calendar says it's booked for ubuntu-meeting and there's no other meeting at the time
[09:00] <dholbach> but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WeeklyQandA says #u-classroom
[09:00] <dholbach> I'll talk to Jono
[09:00] <dholbach> he seems to have set it up
[09:00] <dholbach> nigelb, I can CC pleia2 and you
[09:00] <nigelb> dholbach: it is the Q and A session.
[09:00] <dholbach> yes, I know
[09:00] <nigelb> dholbach: Yeah, that'd be great.  Its jono's thing
[09:01] <nigelb> dholbach: or you can talk to david mandella and make it right before UDW ;)
[09:01] <dholbach> luckily we still have some time
[09:01] <dholbach> so I'll suggest to them to move to #u-meeting
[09:02] <dholbach> or move it by a week
[09:02] <nigelb> If I'd known of it, we could have fit it into the schedule
[09:02] <dholbach> yes
[09:03] <nigelb> dholbach: I event went to get rickspencer to do a Q and A inside of UDW.  Sigh.  If I'd known we could have had this Q and A into the schedule
[09:03] <dholbach> don't worry
[09:03] <dholbach> it's going to be fine
[09:04] <nigelb> :)
[09:04] <dholbach> I'll add the other sessions to the classroom schedule now
[09:04] <dholbach> if I never said it that explicitly: I hate doing that :)
[09:05] <nigelb> lol
[09:05] <nigelb> I can help
[09:05] <nigelb> lets split up
[09:05] <dholbach> no, it's fine - don't bother :)
[09:05] <nigelb> I'll do the last 2 days :)
[09:05] <dholbach> we'll crash Google Calendar or something :)
[09:05] <nigelb> haha, entirely possible :p
[09:06] <nigelb> YOu know what, we should automate this
[09:06] <nigelb> I'll try to find a way over the weekend (and probably present it at UDW :P)
[09:06] <dholbach> agreed - I would need something like that for the patch pilot calendar as well
[09:07] <dholbach> at least I installed python-gdata already, but I didn't do anything about it yet :)
[09:07] <dholbach> no, not the weekend - it's packed with other stuff already
[09:07] <nigelb> Lets get some time and hack something to automate this :D
[09:08] <dholbach> and dealing with iCal and vCard stuff is really not what I consider "fun weekend stuff"
[09:08] <nigelb> haha
[09:08] <nigelb> I'll look it up and figure out a way.  I've got some time.
[09:55] <dholbach> nigelb, in the calendar, do I need to specify an event somewhere?
[09:56] <dholbach> or is it just helper, instructor, moderated?
[09:57]  * popey hugs dholbach
[09:57]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[10:00] <dholbach> ok, I guess I need to add "Event: Ubuntu Developer Week"
[10:05] <dholbach> done
[10:05] <dholbach> one problem I can see is that lernid seems to be a bit broken in natty
[10:18] <dholbach> popey, we have that line in the draft email
[10:18] <popey> oh, doh
[10:18] <popey> sorry :( (I did read it honest)
[10:18] <dholbach> haha
[10:18] <dholbach> brb
[10:45] <nigelb> dholbach: yes, if you specify event, don't specify moderated
[10:45]  * nigelb looks at cal
[10:45] <dholbach> aha?!
[10:46] <nigelb> dholbach: if you specify an event, we assume that the event is moderated, which is aways the case
[10:47] <dholbach> I did both - should be alright, no?
[10:48] <nigelb> dholbach: Its fine.  Less work for next time.
[10:48] <dholbach> yeah :)
[11:37] <nigelb> dholbach: can you link me to the patch pilot calender?
[11:37] <dholbach><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:37] <nigelb> thanks
[11:38] <nigelb> dholbach: you've got to do this every month?
[11:38] <dholbach> yes
[11:38] <nigelb> Ew.  No wonder you hate doing this.
[11:38] <nigelb> Will try to get you something by monday :)
[11:40] <dholbach> whooo: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=189930157694069
[11:45] <nigelb> Invited a bunch of friends :)
[11:46] <nigelb> dholbach: btw, erm, we stopped recommended lernid to anyone
[11:46] <dholbach> right
[11:47] <nigelb> We = Classroom Team
[11:47] <dholbach> I guess it's still in the wiki page instructions somewhere
[11:47] <dholbach> I'll talk to Jono about it
[11:47] <nigelb> Because a lot of people had issues and we want to wait till its stable enough for us to spend time debugging
[11:47] <nigelb> *for us *NOT* to spend time...
[11:48]  * dholbach nods
[11:48] <dholbach> http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/tmp/Bildschirmfoto.png - anything I forgot?
[11:49] <nigelb> talk about #ubuntu-classroom-chat too?
[11:49] <dholbach> it's in the link
[11:49] <dholbach> :)
[11:49] <nigelb> In that case, all looks good :)
[11:51] <dholbach> published
[11:52] <dholbach> I'll add it to UWN
[11:53] <nigelb> woo :)
[11:53] <dholbach> thanks a lot for the help nigelb
[11:56] <nigelb> dholbach: No problem.  It is afterall a classroom event :)
[12:08] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:08] <nigelb> hey duanedesign
[12:09] <duanedesign> howdy nigelb
[12:54] <dholbach> thanks nhandler
[12:54] <nhandler> dholbach: You are welcome. You know that you have access to the ubuntu-classroom blog for posting stuff like this, right?
[12:54] <dholbach> yes
[12:55] <dholbach> I'll repost it from there in the next few days
[12:55] <dholbach> so we keep the message on planet :)
[12:57] <dholbach> hi daker
[12:57] <daker> hey dholbach ツ
[13:02] <nigelb> nhandler: ping?
[13:47] <mhall119> nigelb: I added myself to the lighting session
[13:48] <mhall119> for XDG Launcher
[14:36] <doctormo> akgraner: Android phone you have and luv?
[14:37] <akgraner> doctormo, Galaxy S - (same one you have)
[14:38] <akgraner> but don't try to get the update - the update from samsung bricked my other Galaxy
[14:38] <akgraner> wait for the t-mobile to push their version of the update over-the-air as it's almost ready
[14:39] <doctormo> akgraner: Is it? interesting
[14:39] <akgraner> the samsung update required a user to hook the phone to a windows machine to get it
[14:39] <doctormo> akgraner: Mine is rooted, should I update anyway? I mean I like what it does.
[14:40] <akgraner> no don't do the update
[14:40] <akgraner> so not worth it
[14:40] <doctormo> The t-mobile update?
[14:40] <akgraner> no the samsung update
[14:40] <akgraner> you would have gotten an email from t-mobile telling you about the update
[14:41] <akgraner> don't use that one - wait on the other update (which is not ready yet but will be soon) and will NOT require you to use a windows machine for the update
[14:41] <akgraner> it will be an over the air update
[14:41] <akgraner> and it will give you wifi calling
[14:42] <doctormo> akgraner: Right, so I don'tbelieve any updates require a windows machine. You can use the sdk to install any updates.
[14:42] <akgraner> right now I can't receive or send calls only data over wifi
[14:42] <akgraner> no the samsung update requires users to hook phone up to a windows machine to get it
[14:42] <akgraner> I spent 3 days dealing with samsung and t-mobile over having to do that
[14:44] <akgraner> they told me it was the only way (for now) so I tried it - and then my phone was bricked - spent another day dealing with them over the fact the application locked up the windows machine in the middle of the update, which bricked my phone, and the emergency recovery software failed - hence the reason I got a new phone
[14:45] <akgraner> Found out I am not the only that happened too, the Samsung update is broken, so t-mobile is releasing a new over the air update soon (no what their def of soon is I don't know)
[14:45] <akgraner> no [idea] what  - I mean
[14:46] <doctormo> What is the samsung update exactly? Is it a file? Updates to androids are fairly standard.
[14:46] <akgraner> It enables the Galaxy S to have wifi calling enabled
[14:47] <doctormo> You slap them in the memory card, reboot the device over usb with the _recover_ flag and hold onto your pants.
[14:47] <akgraner> not exactly - you have to download some custom samsung application
[14:48] <doctormo> akgraner: Can you cabextract it?
[14:48] <akgraner> I'll get you a better more technical explanation later today
[14:50] <akgraner> doctormo, I'm an end user for my phone - I don't know about all the stuff your asking :-/ sorry - but I'll find out for you.  I followed the manufactures and re-sellers instructors and so did many others and it failed big time.  So I don't want anyone else having those same issues that's all :-)
[14:50] <duanedesign> hello akgraner and doctormo
[14:51] <akgraner> doctormo, I'll get the answers and blog about it in more detail but for now I gotta get back to work :-)  hi duanedesign!
[15:07] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[15:08] <jcastro> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072552440_99kAA
[15:08] <jcastro> get down!
[15:23] <doctormo> hey duanedesign, thansk akgraner
[15:34] <jono> hi all
[15:46] <czajkowski> jono: were you looking for me last night. took the evening off
[15:47] <jono> czajkowski, I was, we had our call scheduled this week, wanted to reschedule
[15:47] <czajkowski> oh I'd forgotten that :o
[15:47] <czajkowski> I never forget :(
[15:47] <czajkowski> sorry
[15:48] <jono> no worries!
[15:48] <czajkowski> jono: 9pm or 10pm on monday? o any time before 5:30pm on monday
[15:48] <jono> let me check my cal
[15:49] <jcastro> bbi 10, new session/unity time
[15:49] <dholbach> jcastro, oh! my! god
[15:53] <maco> dholbach: what, did you come across the images he linked yesterday?
[15:53] <dholbach> I don't know about pictures from yesterday
[15:56] <maco> check the logs
[15:56] <maco> he was finding pictures of you looking silly at uds
[15:58] <jcastro> you mean looking AWESOME
[15:59] <jcastro> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072549424_Crk3n
[15:59] <popey> WHeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[15:59] <jcastro> can anyone explain what the heck is going on there?
[15:59] <czajkowski> and he wonders why I call him dodgey Daviey
[15:59] <jcastro> there's something very english about that whole thing
[16:01] <czajkowski> jcastro: what were you doing   http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072191959_BNfQD
[16:01] <jcastro> I believe the concensus is that I was mid-air-guitar/headbanging
[16:01] <jcastro> which would make sense
[16:02] <czajkowski> indeed
[16:02]  * czajkowski hugs jcastro
[16:02] <czajkowski> very special :)
[16:02] <maco> jono: "no really daviey, im a chair"
[16:03] <dholbach> the best comment I saw about this one http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072324655_3ai7N-L-LB was "I can see your natty narwhals"
[16:03] <Daviey> maco, uh?
[16:03] <dholbach> but that was on FB :)
[16:03] <maco> Daviey: look at the one jcastro linked
[16:03] <dpm> calling it a day, see you all on Monday!
[16:04] <Daviey> Ahhhhhhhh!
[16:04] <Daviey> there are pics
[16:04] <jono> I love Daviey
[16:04] <jono> :-)
[16:04] <Daviey> heh
[16:05] <Daviey> Borris is making some moves in the background
[16:06] <daker> Woow Congrats Mubarak is out!!
[16:10] <dholbach> this is awesome news!
[16:10]  * dholbach hugs kim0|Celebrating and daker
[16:12] <daker> well i think Egypt will not sleep tonight :D
[16:12] <dholbach> http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ if you want to see a big party
[16:24] <daker> a massive flood on twitter
[16:28] <jcastro> man that's awesome
[16:29]  * maco is glad to be nowhere near the egyptian embassy today
[16:29] <mhall119> Mubarak is gone?
[16:29] <daker> yeah
[16:29] <dholbach> mhall119, yes
[16:29] <mhall119> \o/
[16:30] <paultag> huzzah
[16:30] <dholbach> mhall119, http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
[16:30] <mhall119> gone gone, or like almost sorta kinda gone but still officially President?
[16:30] <maco> resigned
[16:30] <daker> mhall119, he resigns as president and hands over power to the Supreme Council for the Armed Forces
[16:33] <JanC> actually, sounds more like the military announced he resigned, so let's hope they won't just put another puppet in his place...
[16:33] <daker> they will not do that :)
[16:34] <mhall119> I hope so, it's going to be a crazy time in Egypt for a while though
[16:35] <JanC> eh, sounds like the square is getting dangerous because of too many people, let's hope no accidents happen there...  :-(
[16:36] <daker> mhall119, i don't think those crazy times will be like the last 30 years
[16:37] <daker> JanC, i don't think you know very well the Muslims
[16:38] <mhall119> so is the VP now going to be president?
[16:38] <daker> mhall119, no
[16:38] <mhall119> did he resign too?
[16:38] <JanC> daker: not sure what that has to do with "the Muslims" ?
[16:38] <JanC> no
[16:38] <JanC> the military more or less took over government as far as I understand
[16:38] <daker> mhall119, the Supreme Council for the Armed Forces takes the control
[16:39] <mhall119> hmm...I'm not sure if that's good or bad
[16:39] <JanC> it's good if it's temporary  ;)
[16:39] <mhall119> armed forces meaning the army?
[16:39] <daker> yex
[16:39] <daker> yes*
[16:39] <daker> mhall119, it's very good
[16:39] <mhall119> it was my understanding that the airforce and military police were still loyal to Mubarak
[16:40] <maco> mhall119: from what an egyptian was posting on reddit about the protests, the military were protecting the people from the pro-mubarak police forces
[16:40] <JanC> maco: sometimes they did
[16:40] <mhall119> maco: the army was, yes
[16:40] <mhall119> again, my understanding was that some divisions of the armed forces were still loyal to the regime
[16:41] <maco> oh is this that "there's more than one kind of 'servicemember'" thing that always confuses me?
[16:41] <mhall119> yeah, army vs. air force
[16:41] <maco> why cant they all just be army, and then you have the airplane people and the boat people and the ground people
[16:41] <mhall119> like how the US has army/navy/air force/marine corp
[16:41] <maco> would be so much more understandable
[16:41] <mhall119> air force used to be the Army Air Corp over here
[16:42] <maco> why does the US have a navy and marines?
[16:42] <maco> theyre both just "fight in water" right?
[16:42] <mhall119> different duties
[16:42] <mhall119> no
[16:42] <maco> O_o
[16:43] <maco> im pretty sure navy is water people...and marine...well "marine life" means "aquatic life" so...marine must mean water too...
[16:43] <daker> JanC, have you seen the scene 5 hours ago ?
[16:43] <mhall119> marines use the navy for mobility, but mostly fight on land
[16:43] <JanC> maco: and to make things confusing, the navy and the ground troups probably have their own airplanes...  ;)
[16:43] <maco> JanC: that shouldnt be allowed
[16:43] <mhall119> yes, they all have their own air crafts
[16:44] <maco> if you want airplanes, tuse the air force
[16:44] <mhall119> I'm pretty sure they all have their own boats too
[16:44] <maco> if you want boats, use the water people and darnit you only need one set of em!
[16:44] <jcastro> the navy has more planes than the airforce
[16:44] <jcastro> and the army has more boats than the navy
[16:44] <mhall119> think of them like different distros ;)
[16:44] <maco> jcastro: that seems stupid
[16:45] <maco> do any of them have any sense of purpose at all?
[16:45] <mhall119> man, this AJ live stream is eating up my CPI
[16:45] <mhall119> CPU
[16:45] <maco> "our job is to pretend to be water people and instead do stuff in air planes!"
[16:45] <mhall119> maco: yes
[16:45] <jcastro> the planes go on top of the ships
[16:45] <mhall119> the airplanes are used to compliment the water craft
[16:45] <mhall119> but the main purpose of the navy is to provide sea power
[16:46] <maco> hrmph. this is like giving an archer a ole arm
[16:46] <maco> *pole arm
[16:46] <maco> or putting infantry on horses. they by definition cease to be infantry and become cavalry
[16:46]  * mhall119 goes to see if CNN is coverting this story yet
[16:47] <mhall119> maco: well now they all ride in motorized vehicles
[16:47] <popey> simplistic maco is simplistic
[16:48] <JanC> well, the cavalry still has horses for parade days  :P
[16:48] <mhall119> yeah, the marines have swords for the same reason
[16:48] <JanC> in some armies teh cavalry is on off-road motorbikes now
[16:48] <mhall119> there's one for maco, the marines who don't fight on water and carry swords
[16:49] <maco> id call that a swordsman
[16:49] <maco> possibly a knight
[16:49] <mhall119> maco: also, the coast guard isn't part of the navy, go figure that one
[16:49] <popey> we have cross-service boards/councils
[16:49] <maco> how shiny is their armor?
[16:50] <mhall119> mostly dirty brown or green
[16:50] <maco> ok so robinhood
[16:50] <JanC> lol
[16:50] <mhall119> ha
[16:50] <maco> nah, he was an archer ;-)
[16:51] <mhall119> oh, the VP is announcing Mubarak's resignation now
[16:53] <JanC> he did some time ago  ;)
[16:53]  * mhall119 really hopes Egypt gets a civilian, republican government
[16:53] <daker> JanC, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-jJllBxZLI
[16:55] <JanC> daker: like I said, I hope it doesn't get too crowded there (as journalists reports large groups of people from all over the city want to celebrate and are moving towards the square)
[16:56] <JanC> you can only put so many persons on 1m²...
[16:56] <daker> if they are oganized yes :)
[16:58] <mhall119> daker: the problem is that when there isn't enough room, people can be accidentally hurt
[16:58] <mhall119> I think that's what JanC is worried about
[16:58] <JanC> exactly, that's what I mean
[16:58] <daker> yes i know :)
[16:58] <mhall119> when 200 people are moving in one direction, and 1 person is going the other way...
[16:59] <daker> mhall119, the video say it all
[17:00] <JanC> it looked safe at the time of that video, yes
[17:00] <daker> maybe i should show you the video of today
[17:01] <daker> they were more than 2millions according to Aljazeera in Tahrir square
[17:03] <dholbach> cam somebody stickify  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10449345 ?
[17:03] <dholbach> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10449347 please
[17:05] <daker> haha rm -rf Mubarak && sudo apt-get install Egypt-2.0
[17:06] <popey> :)
[17:08] <mhall119> lol
[17:13] <daker> mhall119, the VP is not anymore VP just because the army takes the control
[17:13] <dholbach> alright my friends - keep on celebrating - I call it a day - see you all next week! have a good one!
[17:13] <daker> dholbach, bon week end!!
[17:13] <dholbach> daker, merci mon ami :)
[17:32] <jono> can someone give me access to #ubuntu-classroom
[17:33] <popey> I wonder what news source I am missing.
[17:33] <popey> I have not seen any announcement of these Q&A sessions
[17:33] <czajkowski> hmm no jcastro
[17:34] <daker> popey, each friday there is a Q&A sessions
[17:34] <popey> ok, this is news to me
[17:34] <popey> where was it announced?
[17:34] <AlanBell> facebook
[17:34] <popey> you are kidding?
[17:34] <daker> this was announced by jono
[17:34] <AlanBell> most recent stuff
[17:35] <popey> well, that's why I haven't seen it then
[17:35] <AlanBell> it seems to be an effective means of reaching oodles of random people and bypassing a lot of Ubuntu geeks
[17:35] <popey> Seems that way.
[17:35] <pleia2> it should probably be posted on ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com too (which goes to planet) but I'm not sure who on the classroom team jono is working with
[17:36] <AlanBell> doesn't turn up on my main facebook news feed, only on the "recent crap from everyone" page
[17:36] <jono> pleia2, oh that is news to me
[17:36] <pleia2> I just got the schedule updated yesterday in the learning events calendar
[17:36] <jono> yeah we need to promote this a little more
[17:36] <popey> +12
[17:37] <jono> can someone give me the web link to the online webchat for the two channels?
[17:37] <pleia2> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-classroom%2Cubuntu-classroom-chat
[17:38] <pleia2> the bot automatically announces it to the ubuntuclassroom feeds on identica and twitter
[17:45] <nigelb> mhall119: \o/ thanks
[17:45] <nigelb> jono: hey, did you get the conflict fixed for us? :)
[17:46] <jono> nigelb, conflict? you mean for dev week?
[17:46] <nigelb> jono: yup
[17:46] <jono> nigelb, not yet
[17:46] <jono> will do though
[17:46] <jono> should be simple enough
[17:46] <nigelb> :)
[17:47] <popey> questions queueing up... :)
[17:47] <nigelb> mhall119: I think I might build an app over the weekend and show case it ;)
[17:50] <jono> can someone voice robbie in -classroom ?
[17:50] <nigelb> jono: robbie is voiced
[17:51] <jono> he cant speak
[17:51] <doctormo> AlanBell: I'm detecting a pattern myself
[17:51] <doctormo> That's not like robbie at all ;-)
[17:54] <AlanBell> pleia2: there are better ways of doing a webchat link, you can do one with settings that turn off joins and parts
[17:55] <AlanBell> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-classroom%2Cubuntu-classroom-chat&uio=Mj10cnVlJjQ9dHJ1ZSY5PXRydWUmMTA9dHJ1ZSYxMT0yODcmMTI9dHJ1ZQf8
[17:55] <AlanBell> like that
[17:55] <pleia2> AlanBell: I find that option more annoying than useful so I never looked into it, but I guess for new users it would be better
[17:56] <AlanBell> 17:49 < runar_> everything i'm seeing are quits and joins
[17:56] <AlanBell> few messages like that in -chat
[17:56] <pleia2> yeah, you have to weigh that against the "nothing is happening, my browser is broken!111 hello???" comments
[17:57] <doctormo> AlanBell: How do you do that?
[17:57] <AlanBell> doctormo: top left, follow the wizard for add webchat to your website
[17:58] <doctormo> ok, thanks, perhaps we should put that into the link on loco directory?
[17:58] <AlanBell> doctormo: funnily enough, I coded the loco directory webchat integration . . .
[17:58] <AlanBell> it doesn't show joins and parts
[17:59] <doctormo> AlanBell: I thought I did that part... or maybe I just did the awesome icon for it.
[17:59] <doctormo> I forget
[18:01] <AlanBell> ah yes, I changed the functionality of the awesome icon
[18:01] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk
[18:01] <AlanBell> now in an iframe
[18:02] <doctormo> AlanBell: Why? that doesn't seem to make design sense.
[18:02] <AlanBell> did to me
[18:03] <doctormo> AlanBell: None of the other buttons do embeded iframes, and what happens if you have javascript switched off?
[18:04] <AlanBell> this one was nicely integrated http://loco.ubuntu.com/irc/
[18:05] <AlanBell> the loco ones launched a whole new window
[18:05] <AlanBell> and had confusing joins and parts turned on
[18:06] <AlanBell> if people see IP addresses they think it has all gone horribly wrong
[18:06] <doctormo> true
[18:07] <AlanBell> I think if you have javascript turned off then it is game over for the webchat anyhow
[18:11] <doctormo> AlanBell: But not for info about how to get to irc. Anyway I do think the irc chat button is cool
[18:12] <JanC> I think most people who really need a webchat have JavaScript enabled
[18:13] <JanC> and often don't know how to disable it...
[18:13] <JanC> or know how to re-enable
[18:14] <doctormo> JanC: Consider someone who is an expert god of the command line. How will they know what that icon means, how does it translate to a specific irc name
[18:14] <doctormo> that they can manually get to.
[18:17] <JanC> hm, good point, maybe the icon should link to a separate page that includes the correct info
[18:19] <JanC> so make sure it points to such a page by default, and if JavaScript is enabled you can still do something different?
[18:20] <JanC> (replace the link target with some action when JavaScript is enabled)
[18:51] <AlanBell> alt="IRC Channel (#ubuntu-uk)" title="IRC Channel (#ubuntu-uk)"
[18:51] <AlanBell> ^^ that is how
[18:53] <AlanBell> I am totally up for making it better
[19:00] <JanC> AlanBell: for peopel who don't see/read alt/title, make it a link with a href to a page that lists the info?
[19:02] <AlanBell> does <a href="irc:#ubuntu-uk"> have any merit in doing? Does that ever work?
[19:04] <JanC> AlanBell: only works in some browsers/systems, better link to a web page that has text (and maybe an irc: link for those with a browser+system that supports it)
[19:04] <JanC> not to mention you would also need to include the server
[19:04] <AlanBell> yeah, whatever the syntax is supposed to be
[19:05] <AlanBell> irc://irc.freenode.org/ubuntu-uk
[19:05] <JanC> it's disabled by default in Firefox IIRC
[19:05] <JanC> but enabled when you install ChatZilla
[19:05] <AlanBell> actually kind of works in chromium, launches xchat for me
[19:06] <AlanBell> not sure it would work with empathy
[19:06] <JanC> depends on a combination of browser support and MIME/url registrations
[19:06] <AlanBell> this is a cool feature btw: http://ubuntu-uk.org/todays-chatter/
[19:07] <AlanBell> that would be good to get in loco directory, it always embeds *todays* log for the channel
[19:07] <AlanBell> and we have this as the embedded webchat http://ubuntu-uk.org/join-the-conversation/
[19:08] <AlanBell> I see webchat as a basic introductory IRC client that will just work in a browser when you happen to arrive, then you get hooked and we start giving out the hard crack
[19:08] <JanC> well, not too much chatter on the ubuntu-be channel outside meetings, so maybe less useful for us  ;)
[19:09] <JanC> the "todays chatter" I mean
[19:09] <AlanBell> true, ours is a chatty place every day
[19:09] <JanC> and I agree that I consider web-chat mostly useful for "newbies"
[19:10] <nigelb> AlanBell: I'd +1 chattiness of #ubuntu-uk
[19:10] <JanC> although occasionally useful for others who are behind a proxy
[19:11] <JanC> or need to use somebody else's PC
[19:18] <JanC> #ubuntu-nl-offtopic is very chatty too, especially in the evening/night  ;)
[21:21] <nigelb> heya sense :)
[21:22] <sense> hey nigelb!
[21:22] <sense> How're you doing?
[21:22] <nigelb> Good good.  How about you?
[21:23] <duanedesign> hello sense
[21:23] <sense> Fine, had a busy period at school, but things have calmed down a bit now. Currently working on the reorganisation of Ubuntu Nederland.
[21:23] <sense> hi duanedesign
[21:23] <duanedesign> nigelb: how did your blog come across LinkedIn?
[21:23] <nigelb> duanedesign: wait, what?
[21:24] <duanedesign> nigelb: I got an email with a digest of different blogs from the Ubuntu Members on LinkedIn
[21:24] <duanedesign> nigelb: yours was one of them :)
[21:25] <duanedesign> It was the 'Have an interesting project you want to talk about? | Working with Ubuntu' blog post
[21:25] <nigelb> duanedesign: I'm guessign that's synced with planet
[21:25] <duanedesign> hmm, interesting
[21:26] <duanedesign> cool, just curious if you did something special
[21:26] <nigelb> heh, no
[21:26] <duanedesign> :)
[21:32] <jcastro> hmmmm
[21:32] <jcastro> tmobile is giving away phones for valentines
[21:32] <jcastro> I am thinking of upgrading
[21:32] <sense> Giving away?
[21:33] <jcastro> well, if I go back on contract
[21:33] <sense> ah
[21:33] <jcastro> and they're not free free, they just make you pay more per month
[21:33] <jcastro> I am delightfully on a european-style plan
[21:33] <sense> I did hear bad stories about T-Mobile in the US, though I don't have any troubles with them here.
[21:34] <sense> jcastro: What's the difference between an European-style and an US-style plan? :)
[21:34] <jcastro> but at $500 a pop an upgrade for me and my wife is like $1000 right up front, and that's brutal
[21:34] <jcastro> in the US the cell companies subsidize the phones
[21:34] <sense> here too
[21:34] <JanC> so "giving away in exchange for a way too expensive contract"  :P
[21:34] <sense> Paying up front is only necessary for cheaper contracts.
[21:34] <jcastro> so like, my G1 was originally $199 + a 2 year contract
[21:35] <jcastro> JanC: yeah, I just need to do the math to figure out if it's worth it
[21:35] <jcastro> but I know if I go there I'm going to get all excited when I play with a galaxy S
[21:35] <JanC> they want to make more money, not less  ;)
[21:37] <JanC> jcastro: you can buy subsidized phones in Europe too, it's just cheaper (in the long run) if you pay for your phone immediately
[21:37] <jcastro> ah
[21:38] <JanC> I'm pretty sure US phone companies work like that too  ;)
[21:38] <maco> im not sure about that
[21:38] <jcastro> I'm pretty sure we get screwed more
[21:38] <JanC> maco: I doubt they give free credit?
[21:38] <nigelb> I guessphone calls aer far less expensive for India than anywhere else ;)
[21:38] <maco> its like $60/mo if you want to setup a smartphone on tmobile that you bought elsewhere
[21:39] <JanC> maco: heh
[21:39] <maco> thats no cheaper than having a plan
[21:39] <duanedesign> jcastro: here there was a guy that waited 12 hours in front of a verizon store to get the iphone. When the store opened there were only two other people there to get the phone. I lol'd hard
[21:40] <JanC> so phone companies prefer to pre-finance your phone (and having to pay intrests themselves) over you doing so?
[21:40]  * JanC thought the US was a capitalist country...  :-/
[21:41] <jcastro> our telco carriers are pretty backwards
[21:42] <sense> The first contract I can find that doesn't require an up-front fee for the Galaxy S would be € 36,45 a month.
[21:42] <sense> Google says that is $49,28
[21:43] <JanC> sense: you mean a telco-financed phone?
[21:43] <sense> yes
[21:43] <JanC> and how long does that contract run (minimum)
[21:43] <JanC> 2 years probably?
[21:43] <sense> yep
[21:44] <sense> For one year there is always an up-front fee.
[21:45] <JanC> so that's 874,8 € for a Galaxy S, without doing any calls, or do you get any free calls?  ;)
[21:45] <jcastro> the thing is, the phones rev so fast it doesn't seem to make sense to do such an  upfront expense
[21:45] <sense> The cheapest two-year contract is € 21,45($29,00) a month, with an start fee of € 232,00($313,64)
[21:46] <sense> JanC: that is calls, texting and web.
[21:46]  * JanC has pre-paid, which costs me < 10 € / month, all calls included  :P
[21:46] <JanC> no data though
[21:46] <JanC> I could get data for 5€ extar or so
[21:46] <sense> I've got a very cheap Nokia 6300 with a €6,95/month two-year text-and-voice-only contract.
[21:47] <sense> Good enough for now, the contract will end once I start at uni.
[21:47] <paultag> I am livid right now. I did a site for someone, and it came out good. I'm no hack, I know when something's good. I just got a *text* telling me to pull it because it looks "bad"
[21:47] <JanC> sense: but 6.95 € doesn't include phone calles etc. I guess?
[21:47] <nigelb> paultag: WHAT!
[21:47] <paultag> nigelb: yeah. I'm not cheep, either.
[21:47] <sense> JanC: Of course, that's what you've got a contract for, for calls and texting.
[21:48] <sense> paultag: That is not nice.
[21:48] <JanC> sense: not in .be
[21:48] <paultag> sense: yeah, I'm not stoked.
[21:48] <sense> That's not how you treat people who do something for you.
[21:48] <JanC> you get some amount for free
[21:48] <sense> of coruse
[21:48] <paultag> sense: that's the last time I help out family
[21:48] <maco> paultag: oh family's always like that
[21:49] <maco> expect special treatment and extra discounts
[21:49] <nigelb> paultag: never do buisness with family.
[21:49] <maco> and think they can push you around
[21:49] <maco> yeah, what nigelb said
[21:49] <paultag> maco: it's exteded, so it's just far away enough to where we're not buddies
[21:49] <sense> Not always. I did a site for a family member, didn't turn out as bad as what you're describing.
[21:49] <paultag> maco: I've met them like twice before, and my mom was the one to ask me, it's really odd
[21:49] <jcastro> paultag: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell
[21:49] <jcastro> this will make you feel better
[21:49] <paultag> jcastro: +1 on that
[21:50] <paultag> jcastro: that is *exactly* where I see this going
[21:50] <nigelb> paultag: also, http://clientsfromhell.net/ will help
[21:50] <paultag> jcastro: so I'm cutting my losses and bailing
[21:50] <JanC> paultag: and now you mom will get the flack from both sides...  ;)
[21:50] <jcastro> paultag: smart man
[21:50] <paultag> JanC: +1 there
[21:50] <czajkowski> I'm well chuffed http://www.osor.eu/news/uk-government-committed-to-open-source
[21:50] <jcastro> do the next poor sap a favor and send that link to the guy
[21:51] <JanC> czajkowski: nice, doing a lightning talk and getting media attention  ;)
[21:51] <paultag> heh
[21:51] <czajkowski> aye
[21:52] <JanC> and I think osor.eu is relevant media for EU government stuff
[21:53] <sense> OSOR is the right place for this, I believe.
[21:53] <JanC> government IT departments all over the EU follow that
[21:53] <sense> czajkowski: Congratulations on getting mentioned there!
[21:53] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:53] <JanC> not all of them, but some of them at least
[21:53] <czajkowski> turns out I speak VERY fast
[21:53] <czajkowski> :s
[21:54] <JanC> I know FedICT do
[21:54] <JanC> czajkowski: for a lightning talk that's okay  ;)
[21:54] <czajkowski> I finished early
[21:54] <czajkowski> :)
[21:54] <czajkowski> then had 6 questions
[21:54] <JanC> nice
[21:54] <czajkowski> then went and drank a lot of beer!!
[21:54] <JanC> lol
[21:55] <nigelb> paultag: Web 2.0 is one word I *HATE* hearing right now
[21:55] <JanC> and ate chocolate I hope  ;)
[21:55] <czajkowski> oh yes
[21:55] <czajkowski> I did a lot of that
[21:55] <paultag> nigelb: dude, I'm not happy with them right now, at all. I don't want to hear anything web, at all
[21:55] <paultag> That's the last time I do web work, that's for sure.
[21:56] <czajkowski> paultag: oh cranky tag
[21:56] <czajkowski> :p
[21:56] <nigelb> paultag: /nick crabbytag? ;)
[21:56] <paultag> czajkowski: no, not cranky tag
[21:56] <paultag> czajkowski: I got screwed, it's not my fault this time
[21:57] <czajkowski> paultag: I deal with muppets for you shall I
[21:57] <czajkowski> I need a good old rant at something/one
[21:57] <paultag> czajkowski: they're my extended family, and they had me do a website for them. I just got a text saying to take it down because it was "bad"
[21:59] <czajkowski> *mutters*
[21:59] <czajkowski> see I've a rule. no work for family.
[21:59] <czajkowski> never lets me down
[21:59] <paultag> czajkowski: and it was most certenly not bad, it was work that I stand by, and I don't stand by crap, that's for shit sure
[21:59] <paultag> I'd delay and rewrite before I'd give someone crap
[21:59] <czajkowski> indeed
[21:59] <paultag> yeah, no more web, and no more family after this
[22:00] <czajkowski> safest
[22:09] <JanC> "bad" might mean "not my style"
[22:09] <paultag> "hi paul   is there any way to turn off the web page. Its not what we wanted and does not look good"
[22:09] <paultag> JanC: that's the text, verbatum
[22:09] <paultag> BRB, going to drink wine
[22:10] <JanC> paultag: maybe you'll need something stronger?  :P
[22:10] <nigelb> JanC: +1
[22:10] <Pendulum> paultag: wine is far too weak for that
[22:11] <JanC> OTOH, becoming honest might not fare well among family  ;)
[22:14] <AlanBell> paultag: go get a drink and contemplate what you might put on the website now, if you were evil
[23:46] <paultag> AlanBell: yeah, yeah :P
[23:46] <paultag> +1 there JanC
[23:46] <paultag> Pendulum: +1 :)
[23:58]  * JanC sends paultag a Belgian beer over IRC  :P
[23:58] <JanC> say, a Cookie Beer ?  ;)


[00:01] <tomas050786> hey guys i was wondering if there is any place i could go to get some help on Java programing i am a newbe at it and have to get some help for an assigmnent
[00:32] <lifeless> #java or something, I would say
[00:41] <tomas050786> hi is there any one here who can help me
[03:26] <mothdragon> Hi, I have very little experience in Java, but I was wondering if it is possible to compile a program in Java so that it does not need the JVM to run?
[03:26] <lifeless> gcj
[03:26] <lifeless> may help you there
[03:26] <mothdragon> gcj?
[03:26] <lifeless> gcj
[03:27] <lifeless> it has some limits and I've not used it to do stuff without the jvm, so I can't help you with it
[03:27] <mothdragon> well that's farther than i was before. I'm looking at it's site now. thanks!
[03:27] <mothdragon> what kind of limitations does it have that you know of?
[09:52] <slytherin> ttx: there?


[05:36] <lotuspsychje> morning guys
[05:39] <Sveta> hi lotuspsychje :)
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> hey Sveta
[06:41] <ducasse> morning all
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse :p
[06:42] <ducasse> hiya lotuspsychje
[06:43] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: work day ahead?
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> yess
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> whole week :p
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> 4 weeks till xmass
[06:46] <ducasse> ugh, yes...
[06:47] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:48] <ducasse> \o  lordievader
[06:49] <lordievader> Hey ducasse , how are you?
[06:51] <ducasse> a bit stressed today, but i'm sure it will work out. and you?
[06:51] <lordievader> Doing good
[06:51] <lordievader> Bit early at work today.
[06:51] <lordievader> But oh, well.
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> whats up ducasse ?
[06:56] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[06:56] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> great here
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> coffee before work
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> cold n rainy in belgium brrr
[06:56] <lordievader> Yeah, same here.
[06:56] <lordievader> 😞
[06:57] <ducasse> doesn't really look that cold here, just really, really dark
[06:58] <jink> WHAZZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[06:58] <jink> Is het al weekend? :)
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> uh oh
[06:58] <jink> ^__^
[06:58]  * lotuspsychje runs away fast
[07:00] <lordievader> ducasse: We got dark too, want some? Takes way too long before the sun is up.
[07:02] <ducasse> no thanks, we've got plenty :)
[07:14] <ducasse> oooh, heavy snow tomorrow - i'm sure that will be popular
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> jingle bells...
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> jink smells
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> batman got away..
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> batmobile lost his wheel
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> and oerheks got away
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> or something :p
[07:18] <ducasse> :)
[07:18] <jink> lotuspsychje: Awwwwwwwwwwww, ben je vast met Sinterklaas begonnen?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> erm..i dont believe in santa claus anymore
[07:19] <jink> :P
[07:20] <jink> Neither do my kids, but you know. :)
[07:20] <jink> Is that even a thing in Belgium?
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> yep
[07:20] <jink> (Y)
[07:21] <jink> brb, ran out of fuel^Wcoffee
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:22]  * lotuspsychje grabs some gasoline
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[07:27] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i used to admin the computer systems at a newspaper. one day two of the journalists walked into the break room while i was making tea, sat down, and one of them sighed deeply. "what's wrong?" said the first one. the other replied "nothing some good cocaine wouldn't cure"
[07:27] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:28] <EriC^^> heh, reminds me of hunter s. thompson
[07:29]  * lotuspsychje loves narcotics movies
[07:30] <EriC^^> spun, train spotting, requiem for a dream
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> blow
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> rush
[07:31] <EriC^^> fear & loathing, blow
[07:31] <EriC^^> rush hmm never seen that
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: rather old, but nice movie
[07:32] <EriC^^> formula 1 car?
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> rush from (drugs)
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> training day also love
[07:32] <EriC^^> yeah
[07:33] <EriC^^> have you seen spun?
[07:33] <EriC^^> not that it's so good, but it's horendous graphically
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> no
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> brb
[07:36] <ducasse> EriC^^: hunter thompson was a personal hero of mine, have you read his collections of letters etc? some fantastic stuff there :)
[07:38] <ducasse> you also might like an old movie, "where the buffalo roams", where hunter is being played by bill murray
[07:57] <ducasse> has anyone here gotten ncmpcpp to work on artful?
[08:02] <lordievader> ncmpcpp doesnt work?
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 today ttyl
[08:09] <ducasse> lordievader: it's odd. the same version is in both zesty and artful, but on artful i get 'connection refused' when attempting to connect to the mpd server, despite using the same exact config file
[08:09] <lordievader> Mpd is running?
[08:09] <lordievader> And mpc can connect to it?
[08:10] <ducasse> sure, it works fine if i connect from the zesty box, and gmpc works fine from the artful box
[08:10] <lordievader> Hmm
[08:11] <lordievader> Do you see connections on the mpd host?
[08:11] <lordievader> From ncmpcpp I mean.
[08:11] <ducasse> i haven't gotten that far, i was thinking of sniffing the traffic with wireshark or tcpdump next
[08:12] <ducasse> just wondered if anyone else here was using it
[08:17] <ducasse> ok, the connection from gmpc shows up in mpd.log, but nothing when i try ncmpcpp
[08:30] <lordievader> Well, I use it. But I'm not on Ubuntu.
[08:33] <ducasse> i found a ppa with a later version, i'll try that. should probably still report a bug, i guess, this is a totally virgin install...
[08:34] <ducasse> either that, or switch this machine to arch as well :)
[08:35]  * lordievader is running 0.7.7
[08:36] <ducasse> !info ncmpcpp artful
[08:37] <lordievader> 0.7.7 is the (oldest) stable version in the portage tree
[08:38] <ducasse> weird it didn't get an update for artful, 0.8.1 is the version in the ppa
[08:45] <lordievader> Anything interesting with the 0.8 upgrade?
[08:46] <ducasse> features, you mean?
[08:49] <lordievader> For example/
[08:52] <ducasse> haven't installed yet, looking for other problem reports and comparing dependencies atm
[08:53] <ducasse> https://rybczak.net/ncmpcpp/
[08:53] <ducasse> release notes there :)
[08:56] <lordievader> Quite the list of changes for 0.8
[09:01] <ducasse> ok, upgraded to 0.8.1, and still the same problem. now i'm confused.
[09:12] <lordievader> Firewall?
[09:13] <EriC^^> back
[09:19] <ducasse> lordievader: no firewall. and as i said, another mpd client works just fine on the same host...
[09:20] <lordievader> Yeah, that is the strange thing.
[09:21] <lordievader> Ncmpcpp is using the config you specify?
[09:33] <ducasse> i've literally copied the config file from the (working) zesty box. also tried commenting out everything non-essential for establishing a connection. i think this is a problem in libboost, as upgrading the ncmpcpp package itself didn't help. the versions of the dependencies are the only thing that differs.
[09:40] <lordievader> Hmm, yes. Guess your right.
[10:14] <Ben64> wow, biggest xy problem i've seen for some time
[10:27] <ducasse> heading out, bbl
[10:45] <EriC^^> morning all
[10:46] <EriC^^> ducasse: do you help out in other ubuntu related freenode channels?
[10:47] <EriC^^> how can i maybe become an op in the lebanese ubuntu channel i wonder? there are 2 people there, and the topic says latest release 12.04 :D
[12:03] <EriC^^> !Ping
[12:03] <EriC^^> !ping
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:23] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hey EriC^^
[14:43] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader,IMO  think that burt guy has some kind of illogical obsession
[14:44] <lordievader> Yeah, I see no real purpose in hiding menu-categories. But hey, who am I.
[16:44] <nicomachus> #ubuntu seems slow today
[16:44] <nicomachus> Had to check to see if my connection died.
[17:30] <nicomachus> i'm going to lunch. mustmodify should be all set once he clears out /boot
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit nicomachus
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the headsup, we takeover from here :p
[17:31] <oerheks> heya lotus
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> heyyy oerheks
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> http://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-linux-torvalds-gives-security-developers-guidance/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> !apt-clean
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RemoveOldKernels
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> this would be useful as trigger right?
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> dax: think this would be usefull^
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> alot of users with full kernel lists, never clean it
[17:52] <dax> surprised that still isn't automated
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> we someone said to me once, its because of system doesnt know what kernel you gonna use
[17:53] <dax> meh. keep current, highest version, and highest version minus one
[17:53] <dax> anyway
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah sounds logic to me also
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> why keep kernels that are security risks anyway
[17:55] <dax> !kernelcleanup
[17:55] <dax> (just added)
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> tnx mate, thats gonna rocknroll
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> your the man dax :p
[18:07] <nicomachus> dax: it's supposed to be automated but sometimes they get marked as manually installed and don't get removed.
[18:08] <nicomachus> or people don't run autoremove like they're supposed to.
[18:08] <dax> ah
[18:09] <oerheks> this should be no issue on a fresh 17.10, one partition for all folders incl swapfile
[18:09] <oerheks> i'd love to see a system with max 25 kernels :-D
[18:10] <oerheks> or something like that, grub-limit
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:12] <daftykins> hey folks :)
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> heyy dafty
[18:12] <daftykins> seems the source packages made folks run out of inodes sooner than hitting a limit in the past
[18:12] <BluesKaj> Hi daftykins
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[18:13] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje
[18:23] <immu> hi oerheks lotuspsychje daftykins blur
[18:23] <immu> BluesKaj,
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> hi
[18:23] <daftykins> \o
[18:24] <BluesKaj> hi immu
[18:25] <immu> whats up
[18:27] <daftykins> mmm builders are getting close to finishing my house here, feels good :D
[18:27] <daftykins> soon i will be able to start cleaning and it'll actually STAY clean!
[18:27] <immu> nice, daftykins send us few pics
[18:28] <daftykins> oh there'll be video come the end
[18:29] <immu> cool let me know when its ready
[18:29] <daftykins> the end of the week might work, as they think they'll be leaving Wednesday
[18:31] <immu> anytime
[18:33] <immu> if you had to choose between a iphone X and Note8, which one would your choose?
[18:34] <daftykins> most likely neither, Apple are pretty evil and Samsung make nice hardware but ruin it by preloading a tonne of junk
[18:35] <daftykins> immu: here are a few from yesterday - https://dafty.rocks/nextcloud/index.php/s/uvrLu94rMy6wc03
[18:43] <immu> nice
[18:44] <daftykins> the last is a new window box which got installed, today there is plasterboard around the sides ready for a plaster coat tomorrow
[18:45] <immu> cool
[18:45] <immu> when its ready give us a sweet video tour yeah
[18:45] <immu> i am off to sleep
[18:45] <immu> see you all tomm amigos
[18:45] <immu> :)
[18:46] <daftykins> hehe, that fella
[20:26] <oerheks> Did Mark filed a bugreport yet? https://www.rt.com/news/411039-living-bacteria-iss-surface/
[21:17] <EriC^^> evening gentlemen
[21:17] <daftykins> heya \o
[21:18] <EriC^^> !ping
[21:18] <daftykins> >:D
[21:23] <EriC^^> hey :D
[21:23] <daftykins> what's new?
[21:24] <EriC^^> not much, you?
[21:25] <daftykins> very close to having the house work complete :)
[21:31] <EriC^^> awesome
[21:38] <oerheks> nope, he ain't selling it, EriC^^
[21:39] <daftykins> ^_^
[21:40] <EriC^^> heh :D
[21:57] <EriC^^> what if the bacteria is dangerous
[21:58] <EriC^^> like in the movie "life" !
[21:58] <EriC^^> they should study them in outer space not bring them back to earth, smh these scientists need to watch more hollywood movies to know a thing or two! wth! :D
[22:01] <daftykins> :D
[22:01] <daftykins> fair point
[22:02] <oerheks> i guess we all are infected now, carry on
[22:03]  * EriC^^ prepares for zombie apocalypse by ordering as many pizza's as possible
[22:06] <daftykins> i've got lots of deliveries expected this week, tomorrow could be exciting :)
[22:09] <EriC^^> goodies?
[22:09] <EriC^^> is thanksgiving celebrated in britain?
[22:09] <daftykins> nah
[22:10] <daftykins> yep, lots! the first thing i ordered is some new coaxial cable to re-do my TV services (we have roof antenna and satellite dish services here that can be tuned into)
[22:10] <daftykins> should be fun
[22:11] <EriC^^> cool!
[22:17] <EriC^^> lol
[22:18] <daftykins> i like nerding out with cabling tasks :)
[22:18] <EriC^^> i just spilled a cup that was full of coffee from the morning, i was too lazy to put a bag in the trash bin, so i poured earlier the ashtray full of cigs in the cup, now it's all on the floor
[22:18] <daftykins> D: nooooo
[22:18] <EriC^^> it smells appauling
[22:21] <oerheks> new channel rule: pic, or it didn't happen
[22:21] <oerheks> :-P
[22:25] <daftykins> ^
[22:30] <oerheks> happens to me too, often. my dealer has the ks400 and k120 in stock for me
[22:30] <oerheks> 13.99 https://www.bcc.nl/accessoires/accessoires-computer/toetsenbord/logitech-toetsenbord-k120/225879
[22:31] <oerheks> really really cheap
[22:34] <daftykins> ah ha