[00:24] <skaet> thanks bkerensa!  :)
[00:24] <skaet> ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, mythbuntu desktop's posted
[00:25] <wxl> lubuntu?
[00:25] <skaet> wxl - its building now,  will emerge next
[00:25] <wxl> danke :D
[00:26] <skaet> ubuntu-server, lubuntu alternate posted.
[00:28] <wxl> grr ubuntu alternate for ppc is still oversized
[00:32] <skaet> wxl,  if I can get some focus on pulling it down to size,  you willing to test it for us?
[00:33] <wxl> skaet: absolutely
[00:34] <wxl> that goes for x86 too (the desktop's oversized along with ppc)
[00:34] <wxl> i've been focusing most of my attention on lubuntu but there a couple bugs i'd like to compare against an actual ubuntu install
[00:35] <skaet> wxl,  desktop x86 will likely be pruned back.  For final certainly - hopefully beta.
[00:36] <wxl> skaet: say the word when the ppc is trimmed down and i'll have at it
[00:36] <skaet> wxl,  coolio.    will do.  (and thanks!!)
[00:37] <wxl> skaet: np (thanks to tmux+irssi) i'm always here so don't hesitate to call me out and/or msg me. i'll get back eventually. i also do pay attention to the mailing list
[00:38] <wxl> i actually would really like to post instructions for x86 users to test ppc by emulating (a la qemu) but it seems something is amiss with ppc emulation. there's a related bug out there…
[00:39] <wxl> phillw was hunting around to see if he could find some resolution to the problem but wasn't having a lot of luck. apparently, no one's really bothered with that before :D
[00:40] <infinity> wxl: I hear we actually have a PPC tester.
[00:41] <infinity> (That is, one who isn't me, which is good, cause the images don't boot on my hardware right now)
[00:42] <wxl> hahaha yep infinity
[00:42] <infinity> wxl: Fantastic.  What hardware are you running on?
[00:43] <wxl> infinity: http://wxl.freeshell.org/()/comp/ppc/hardinfo_report.html
[00:43] <wxl> :)
[00:44] <infinity> wxl: G4 PowerBook, then?  Perfect.
[00:44] <wxl> i may be able to drum up some interest in testing among the few lubutnu ppc users we have
[00:44] <infinity> wxl: That falls directly in between my G3 desktop and my POWER5 workstation, so we get some decent coverage there.
[00:44] <wxl> infinity: yep. i also have a g3 but it needs some work to get into a testable state
[00:44] <wxl> (it needs an openfirmware uprgade)
[00:45] <infinity> wxl: If you can actuallt get honest-to-gosh testers who are willing to test images, I'll happily get them into a sane size/state.
[00:45] <infinity> wxl: (keeping in mind that I won't work miracles, they'll boot on what they boot on, ie: people who report that they don't work on beige G3s get to pound dirt, etc)
[00:45] <wxl> infinity: we've had a couple of funky bugs with the lubuntu images that kind of made us wonder if the problem isn't canonical-wide-- so we have wont to test against a standard ubuntu iso
[00:46] <wxl> yeah g3s are…crazy
[00:46] <wxl> openfirmware's pretty funky to begin with, even current versions
[00:46] <infinity> My G3 has a MacOS9 installation just to run BootX.
[00:47] <wxl> yeah the g3 i inherited (wallstreet pb) had the hd wiped
[00:47] <infinity> I feel kinda dirty using MacOS as a "bootloader", but that OF version and quik just never got along.
[00:47] <wxl> and no install disks
[00:47] <wxl> and trying to find just the right version of os9 to use-- good luck.
[00:48] <wxl> it's not like the disks are marked "will boot on stupid version of openfirmware!"
[00:48] <infinity> *snicker*
[00:48] <wxl> so yeah i keep looking. one of these days i'll find one :D
[00:49] <infinity> Anyhow.  I'm assuming your G4 more or less "just works" with our images (modulo size and random bugs), so we'll start there.
[00:49] <wxl> oh yeah the g4 is good to go
[00:49] <infinity> I'll see if I can spend some weekend/community time whipping them into better shape and poke you.
[00:49] <wxl> sounds good!
[00:49] <infinity> While I'm at it, I'll make the images actually boot on my POWER5. :P
[00:49] <wxl> :)
[00:50] <wxl> have you been testing all the buntus?
[00:50] <infinity> But, I have a personal interest in PPC images actually being smoketested to the point where we can at least publish them as "unsupported community images".
[00:50] <wxl> cuz i could always use the opportunity to muster support for lubuntu-on-ppc testing :D
[00:50] <wxl> exactly my thoughts
[00:50] <infinity> Do we build lubuntu on PPC?
[00:50] <wxl> yep!
[00:50] <infinity> Huh.
[00:50] <infinity> Go figure.
[00:50] <wxl> the alternate's now even appropriately sized
[00:51] <infinity> All I cared about was ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-server (and potentially ubuntu-alternate), but others work too, if people are willing to test.
[00:51] <wxl> i know we have at least one guy who's testing on g3, g4, g5
[00:51] <wxl> of course i seem to be the only ppc tester who knows how to use the qa tracker :/
[00:52] <wxl> well (biased opinion) i think given the focus towards low resource usage, lubuntu is perfect for ppc
[00:52] <wxl> and mac users tend to see their machines as so entirely disposable so…
[00:53] <infinity> wxl: Hey, my power5 (and power7s, and...) is hardly slow, or low resource. :P
[00:53] <infinity> wxl: Anyhow, there's no hard and fast rule (especially for community images) around the tester also being the tracker user.
[00:53] <infinity> wxl: If the guy testing on g3/g4/g5 can report his findings to you, you can fill out the tests. :P
[01:24] <wxl> infinity: sorry work was calling but that's a good point! i'll see what i can do :D
[01:26] <skaet> wxl,  lubuntu desktop published...
[01:26] <wxl> skaet: thx! i'll get on it tonight!
[02:20] <skaet> edubuntu's posted
[07:15] <rickspencer3> hey all, what's the word on the street about B1? the smoke tests are looking good at leat ;)
[07:37] <jibel> hey rickspencer3
[07:37] <jibel> no major breakage.
[07:38] <jibel> everything has been respun during the night, and will be again today to catch latest fixes of ubiquity
[07:38] <jibel> we'll have a good picture of the candidates this afternoon
[10:15] <brendand> anyone else having a problem with the keyboard layout screen in ubiquity?
[10:17] <jibel> brendand, good morning
[10:17] <jibel> brendand, what kind of problem ?
[10:18] <brendand> the list views are unresponsive. i'm restarting and trying again
[10:18] <jibel> I have a problem in the sense that if I select French it uses a 'us' layout but not with the scren
[10:18] <jibel> screen
[10:19] <jibel> brendand, do you use arrozs to navigate the lists ?
[10:19] <jibel> *arrows
[10:19] <brendand> jibel, that doesn't work
[10:19] <brendand> jibel, i can't change the selection at all
[10:20] <brendand> also, i guess you've noticed the weird colours that notify-osd uses?
[10:20] <jibel> brendand, could be a regression due to
[10:20] <jibel>     - To avoid issues when quickly changing the selection (easily done by
[10:20] <jibel>       using the keyboard), add a 600ms delay to any user action, reset with
[10:20] <jibel>       any further action
[10:20] <jibel> in 2.9.22
[10:22] <rigved> hi everyone. what should i enter in as the api key on my user profile on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/profile?
[10:22] <brendand> jibel - seems to work better now, but the delay is weird
[10:23] <brendand> jibel - seems more than 600ms
[10:23] <brendand> feels more like 2s
[10:23] <jibel> brendand, trying
[10:23] <brendand> jibel, maybe just the speed of the system though
[10:24] <brendand> jibel - could be something i did last time disturbed it into not working
[10:25] <jibel> brendand, system's speed shouldn't change time length. That's not a quantum laptop I guess
[10:26] <brendand> jibel - well, the perceived delay and the deliberate delay are different
[10:27] <brendand> jibel - did you see the camera bug i raised?
[10:27] <jibel> brendand, yes, I'll confirm it today.
[11:15] <jibel> brendand, I don't reproduce the 2s delay, but if the user is too slow, the focus changes from the list to the input field below the list
[11:16] <brendand> jibel, too slow to? make the first input on the screen?
[11:17] <jibel> brendand, doesn't press up/down arrows quickly to change the layout
[11:18] <jibel> well, and I can't focus the list with tab. keyboard navigation is broken on this screen
[11:19] <brendand> jibel, sounds like what i was seeing
[11:20] <jibel> hm, and cannot focus with the mouse even
[11:20] <jibel> filing a bug
[11:22] <jibel> and it's interesting that the actual keyboard layout doesn't match the selected layout
[11:34] <brendand> jibel, ok. it must be the first time i did it i waited for a while before pressing anything, then the next time i did it quickly
[11:34] <brendand> jibel, do you see problems with notify-osd as well?
[11:38] <jibel> brendand, yes, it's a nice light aubergine
[11:38] <brendand> jibel - sometimes it's rede
[11:38] <brendand> red
[11:38] <brendand> sometimes orange
[11:39] <jibel> I saw it blue
[11:39] <brendand> we can say it is non-deterministic :)
[11:39] <jibel> brendand, did you file a bug already
[11:39] <jibel> ?
[11:39] <brendand> jibel - not yet. i will now
[11:39] <jibel> thanks, I'll confirm it
[11:39] <brendand> jibel - how to file from within ubiquity itself?
[11:41] <jibel> brendand, without the desktop env, I don't think there is a way. you must quit ubiquity and it will start a session
[11:43] <brendand> i'll just do it from the live session
[11:45] <brendand> except i don't get any connection from the live session :(
[11:55] <brendand> jibel, so strange that it only happens in ubiquity
[11:55] <brendand> jibel, in the live session it's transparent
[13:03] <brendand> bug 942572
[13:03] <brendand> is mup on holiday?
[13:04] <brendand> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/942572
[13:07] <jibel> brendand, could you take a picture or a screenshot ?
[13:08] <brendand> ure
[13:08] <brendand> sure
[13:55] <jp_Hranice> Hallo. Got a question. My Ubiquity installer looks diferent after change from usb-creator to Unetbootin.
[13:55] <jp_Hranice> It seems do not match testcases on iso testing tracker.
[14:01] <brendand> jp_Hranice, what does it look like?
[14:03] <jp_Hranice> it is diferent. fistly it ask me for timezone
[14:03] <jp_Hranice> ... keyboard
[14:03] <jp_Hranice> disk partitioning is not fist step
[14:04] <brendand> jp_Hranice, which version?
[14:04] <jp_Hranice> daily life
[14:05] <brendand> ok
[14:05] <jp_Hranice> I do not know version of package
[14:05] <brendand> jibel - if i take a screenshot in ubiquity, where does it go? i can't find it
[14:07] <jibel> brendand, it goes to ~/Pictures IIRC
[14:08] <brendand> jibel, i guess that's only the case if you started ubiquity from the live session. in which case the bug is not reproducable
[14:24] <jp_Hranice> brendand: Miracle. I got no problem now.
[14:25] <jp_Hranice> brendand: I looks problem was in running of ubiquity from Unetbootin menu.
[16:51] <jibel> stgraber, bug 942706
[16:52] <jibel> stgraber, I think that explain the crash you fixed yesterday in ltsp-live
[16:55] <stgraber> jibel: yeah, I'll close it as LTSP on wireless can't work ...
[16:58] <bdmurray> could somebody test going to youtube.com when running a live cd?  I think the plugin finder experience is poor.
[17:02] <SpamapS> Heh.. you go to bed with a download running and wake up and its invalid. Well, thank god for zsync
[17:30] <roignac> bdmurray: i tried going to youtube.com from livecd
[17:30] <roignac> firefox sugegsted a plugin - only gnash, but failed to install it
[17:30] <bdmurray> roignac: right, that was my experience too
[17:30] <SergioMeneses> but why don't use youtube with html5
[17:30] <SergioMeneses> ?
[17:31] <SergioMeneses> or use the plugin non-free
[17:32] <roignac> SergioMeneses: that is livecd, no non-free components
[17:32] <SergioMeneses> roignac, oks... but you can use the html5 configuration
[17:32] <SergioMeneses> I did it
[17:32] <SergioMeneses> and works!
[17:32] <roignac> I would (and I did), but this is about Average Joe
[17:48] <roignac> bdmurray: i've reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/942778
[17:53] <bdmurray> roignac: awesome, thanks
[18:02] <SpamapS> so.. 20120228.1 is cut, but I don't see it on iso.qa.ubuntu.com ... ?
[18:08] <roignac> SpamapS: I suppose, this is a candidate to Precise Beta
[18:08] <jibel> SpamapS, refresh your browser ? it's there excepted arm which is still rebuilding
[18:10] <SpamapS> jibel: I did.. but its very confusing.. I was looking at the old build.. it should be much more apparent than "(archived)" that it has been superseded and I need to go look for a new one.
[18:13] <jibel> SpamapS, desk is close for complaints against the tracker ;)
[18:13] <jibel> stgraber, ^ for you
[18:40] <balloons> cr3, roadmr ping pong.. ;-)
[18:40] <roadmr> balloons: hey! how's it going?
[18:41] <balloons> not too bad, working on getting more tests out there.. I take it you saw my post.. I wanted to speak with ara and your team about plans for beta2 at some point
[18:41] <balloons> but for the moment I had a question about getting my branch onto the checkbox launchpad project
[18:42] <balloons> I'm a newbie to bzr and lp.. it seems I need some sort of project to accept merge requests and my junk branch won't cut it
[18:42] <roignac> balloons: just do 'bzr push lp:~nskaggs/checkbox/my_super_checkbox_branch' from your local branch
[18:43] <balloons> roignac, thanks :-) I knew there had to be a way to keep it in my personal
[18:43] <balloons> however it's a good point about potentially migrating to the actual project
[18:43] <balloons> so I thought I'd bring it up
[18:43] <balloons> i merged your gedit tests btw.. thanks!
[18:44] <roignac> I don't think checkbox guys will mind if you will create just another branch
[18:45] <roignac> great, I was just thinking about adapting checkbox UI to a real 'action' - 'result' layout
[18:45] <roignac> with potential connection to CaseConductor and so on
[18:46] <balloons> roignac, yep.. that's an idea I've been tossing around also
[18:48] <balloons> do you think you could write anymore tests today roignac?
[18:49] <roignac> ehm, 'today' - no, it is 10 PM here =)
[18:49] <roignac> tomorrow - yes, yes, definitely!
[18:49] <balloons> hehe
[18:49] <balloons> awesome.. did you see the list of apps?
[18:50] <balloons> you can see some have nothing.. I'm working on filling in the gaps but I can "save" an app for you if you wish.. lol
[18:50] <roignac> yep, I guess, I'll be able to write smoke tests for each app
[18:50] <roignac> I later will reserve some - like gedit
[18:50] <balloons> ok, I REALLY appreciate it
[18:51] <balloons> by the time you see the branch again it will have tests for everything on that list.. however basic.. feel free to expand on them
[18:52] <roignac> expanding is always easier than creating something from scratch, so this will draw more attention sooner or later
[18:53] <roignac> Yet checkbox should be modified for these changes - like screenshot button or 'report the bug' with pasting the steps possibly
[18:53] <balloons> trying to move the branch to lp:~nskaggs/checkbox/checkbox-app-testing
[18:53] <balloons> roignac, I am working with cr3 on making sure apport pops up to file a bug when you say 'no' to a test :-)
[18:54] <balloons> it's a start on getting there
[18:54] <roignac> yeah, the branch was created and can accept merge requests
[18:54] <roignac> hmm, good idea!
[18:55] <roignac> I'm not familiar with apport-bug, but can we insert a predefined text in bug description? That would be a great feature!
[18:55] <balloons> we can predefine a tag
[18:55] <balloons> should be able to do description as well.. will have to talk to cr3
[18:55] <balloons> and yes.. it would be sweet ;-) we're thinking along the same lines
[18:57] <yofel> you can pre-define bug titles in apport hooks
[18:57] <yofel> description should be doable as well
[18:59] <balloons> arggh. I can't push to my own branch.. got that same bzr bug :-(
[19:03] <roignac> balloons: hmm, which bzr bug?
[19:04] <balloons> i had to push to old one and rebranch
[19:04] <balloons> one I reported yesterday
[19:04] <balloons> sort of a weird error
[19:04] <balloons> let me find
[19:04] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/942150
[19:04] <roignac> hmm, yeah, sometimes bzr just goes crazy out of nowhere
[19:05] <balloons> thanks for letting me know on the merge tho.. updating the post and wiki
[19:05] <roignac> np
[19:05] <roignac> see ya guys tomorrow
[19:31] <yofel> against what should one file a bug about the system not booting with 'vt.handoff=7' on?
[19:35] <SpamapS> yofel: probably 'linux'
[19:35] <SpamapS> yofel: thoul could be plymouth too
[19:36] <yofel> I'll file it against linux and hope someone notices it
[19:37] <SpamapS> yofel: hope is not a strategy.. ;)
[19:37] <yofel> for kernel bugs hope is the only strategy in my experience...
[19:49] <yofel> ok, it's not plymouth. Plymouth is actually there on tty7, but by default I always only get a blinking cursor instead. Filed against the kernel
[20:14] <balloons> cr3, whenever your around I'd like to have some more help on the apport error :-)
[20:18] <cr3> balloons: ok, all yours now. what's up?
[20:18] <balloons> cr3, :-) kk
[20:19] <balloons> we had started to discuss this error:
[20:19] <balloons> 2012-02-28 15:11:17,684 ERROR    Error running event handler /usr/share/checkbox/plugins/apport_prompt.py ApportPrompt.prompt_test(<checkbox_gtk.gtk_interface.GTKInterface object at 0x217add0>, {'status': 'fail', 'data': '', 'description': u"1. Open Terminal using the dash, and typing 'terminal'\n2. Click on Edit, select Profiles, select Edit and select colours.\n3. Modify the colours to a different set\n   -> Colors change in terminal\n4. Set a
[20:19] <balloons>  Background Image\n   -> Terminal background changes\n5. Change the Zoom Level\n   -> Zoom level changes in terminal", 'plugin': 'manual', 'suite': '__gnometerminal__', 'type': 'test', 'requires': ["package.name == 'gnome-terminal'"], 'resources': [{'status': 'Installed', 'desired': 'Install', 'version': '3.3.0-0ubuntu1', 'name': 'gnome-terminal', 'description': 'GNOME terminal emulator application'}], 'name': 'gnometerminal/ter-002'}) for event
[20:19] <balloons>  type 'prompt-test'
[20:19] <balloons> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:19] <balloons>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/checkbox/reactor.py", line 74, in fire
[20:19] <balloons>     results.append(handler(*args, **kwargs))
[20:19] <balloons>   File "/usr/share/checkbox/plugins/apport_prompt.py", line 229, in prompt_test
[20:19] <balloons>     'suite:' : test["suite"]}
[20:19] <balloons> KeyError: 'suite'
[20:19] <balloons> yikes.. that was a bit bigger to paste than i thought, sorry
[20:19] <wxl> balloons: hello?
[20:20] <cr3> balloons: yeah, what wxl said :)
[20:20] <balloons> very sorry
[20:20] <wxl> sorry for being complainy but that sucks :D
[20:20] <cr3> no worries, honnest mistake :)
[20:20] <wxl> and yes, complainy is a euphamism :D
[20:20] <wxl> but yeah, no worries
[20:21] <wxl> irssi won't let you make those big pastes without prompting you (hint hint)
[20:21] <cr3> balloons: let me try your branch to reproduce the problem
[20:21] <balloons> :-) I'm lame wxl.. I use znc, but xchat anyway
[20:21] <balloons> cr3 I moved my branch fyi
[20:21] <cr3> wxl: all other irc clients should spontaneously combust when irssi was introduced :)
[20:21] <balloons> bzr branch lp:~nskaggs/checkbox/checkbox-app-testing
[20:21] <cr3> balloons: thanks
[20:21] <wxl> oooh that is semi lame balloons ;)
[20:22] <wxl> cr3: +1 ;)
[20:22] <wxl> tmux+irssi+bitlbee ftw!
[20:22] <balloons> yep.. znc running on an ec2 machine.. that I xchat into from my desktop
[20:22] <balloons> hahahah
[20:22] <cr3> wxl: I also use bitlbee but not tmux, what's it for?
[20:22] <wxl> cr3: tmux is a screen replacement that's a lot nicer and not so "antique" feeling :D
[20:22] <balloons> it's like byobu i think
[20:23] <cr3> wxl: I'm a curmudgeon, so screen all the way
[20:24] <wxl> i resisted it for a long time
[20:24] <wxl> in fact i re-bound all my keys to be screen-like
[20:25] <cr3> wxl: I also use ratpoison, which I hope will not get me kicked from this channel, which is like a screen window manager. same key bindings and all, except for the control key of course :)
[20:25] <wxl> hahahah sweet
[20:25] <wxl> real users use wmii tho cr3 ;)
[20:25] <wxl> j/k
[20:26] <cr3> wxl: it's the reuse of key bindings that attracted me, just like I use the same key bindings in my editor as in my shell. my brain can only take so much
[20:26] <wxl> no wait dwm is more hardcore :D
[20:27] <cr3> wxl: I also tried ion but I could feel the lua oosing from it, to which I couldn't relate
[20:27] <wxl> hahah understandable
[20:27] <wxl> i'm entertained by ratpoison/wmii/dwm/etc. but in the end i'm comfortable with a terminal when i need it and a standard desktop when i don't
[20:28] <wxl> for that matter, i much prefer just a terminal anyways, but there's a few things that are easier with a traditional gui
[20:28] <cr3> wxl: a terminal and browser are usually the only two windows I have open, that's it
[20:29] <wxl> to give you a sense, i'm one of those rare mac users that knows how to use the terminal (and its incredibly funky take on freebsd)
[20:30] <wxl> i must admit i haven't found the perfect email client for terminal. alpine is darn close but it a pain when it comes to dealing with highly organized imap folders across many different accounts (which i strangely have)
[20:30] <wxl> honestly though it deals with it a heck of a lot better than most gui clients, thunderbird excluded
[20:31] <cr3> wxl: I settled for mutt when I finally took the decision to pull email locally and leave a backup copy in gmail, along with procmail it's really powerful
[20:32] <wxl> meh maybe i should give it a go again
[20:33] <cr3> wxl: you could then pickup chicks: "hey baby, I use mutt"
[20:33] <cr3> works all the time
[20:33] <wxl> hahahah
[20:33] <wxl> yeah because my sex life has increased greatly since using bitlbee
[20:34] <wxl> http://www.bitlbee.org/img/comic_3.0.png
[20:35] <cr3> wxl: utopia!
[20:35] <wxl> heh
[20:36] <cr3> balloons: I just tried answering "no" to a gedit test and I'm seeing apport collecting information which will probably finish at some point
[20:36] <balloons> lol.. of course you are!
[20:36] <cr3> balloons: so, here's a suggestion: 1. rm -fr ~/.checkbox and try again; 2. let me know which test you tried and failed to get apport to report
[20:36] <cr3> balloons: oh wait, I was running on oneiric though!
[20:37] <balloons> ok, well still that's a good sign
[20:37] <cr3> balloons: let me try something else but please try to rm -fr ~/.checkbox while we're at it
[20:38] <balloons> yep, same error after clearing.. tried saying no to first gedit test
[20:47] <cr3> balloons: I can reproduce the problem, now looking into it
[20:52] <balloons> cr3, awesome thank you
[21:40] <botfather> oi
[22:15] <balloons> cr3, any updates?
[22:25] <cr3> balloons: sorry, got side tracked :(
[23:06] <botfather> ubuntulog: version
[23:06] <botfather> hmm


[05:26] <didrocks> good morning
[06:03] <RAOF> smspillaz: Around?  Do you take compiz merge requests from launchpad?
[06:04] <smspillaz> RAOF: yes
[06:04] <RAOF> smspillaz: Anything I need to do other than have you set as a reviewer?  (I'm patch-piloting https://code.launchpad.net/~hypodermia/ubuntu/oneiric/compiz/fix-for-bug-301174/+merge/64632 )
[06:04] <RAOF> Heh.  Poor, confused ubot5 :)
[06:06] <smspillaz> RAOF: ah that one
[06:06] <smspillaz> RAOF: yeah, I'll ACK it
[06:06] <smspillaz> (I approved this long ago but never got around to merging it)
[06:06] <RAOF> I've got something I'd like fixed in it ;)
[06:06] <smspillaz> oh ok
[06:06] <smspillaz> hit me
[06:07] <RAOF> It should use an event sound from http://0pointer.de/public/sound-naming-spec.html rather than manually specifying a filename.  That way, sound themes will actually work.
[06:07] <RAOF> Also, it becomes simpler.  Bonus!
[06:07] <RAOF> (I'd suggest bell-window-system)
[06:10] <RAOF> Ah.  Alternatively, that spec could be a pack of lies, and there not actually _be_ a bell-window-system.  Superlative.  There is, however, a bell.  So the not-manually-specifying-a-filename thing stands.
[06:17] <RAOF> Ah, again no.  bell-window-system should alledgedly fall back to just “bell”
[06:18] <RAOF> smspillaz: Anyway, the summary is: don't specify a filename, so that it respects the system sound theme :)
[06:19] <smspillaz> RAOF: ah, ok
[06:19] <RAOF> Note: this advice may need actual, you know, _testing_
[06:19] <smspillaz> that doesn't exist in compizland
[06:19] <RAOF> But if everything works as advertised, that's what should happen!
[06:21] <smspillaz> RAOF: so we need to specify bell-window-system
[06:21] <smspillaz> and instead of CA_PROP_MEDIA_FILENAME ...
[06:21] <RAOF> Right.
[06:22] <RAOF> And instead of CA_PROP_MEDIA_FILENAME, you *don't* specify CA_PROP_MEDIA_FILENAME, and libcanberra looks it up in the sound theme.
[06:22] <smspillaz> I hope canberra uses gtkdoc ...
[06:22] <RAOF> Why, yes it does.
[06:22] <RAOF> http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/libcanberra/gtkdoc/libcanberra-canberra.html#CA-PROP-EVENT-ID:CAPS
[06:23] <smspillaz> oh I see
[06:23] <smspillaz> I think that the filename is actually inteded to be an override
[06:23] <smspillaz> so I might just check for filename size
[06:24] <RAOF> Is there a desperate need for compiz's sounds to be configured differently to the sound theme?
[06:25] <RAOF> Hm.  Actually, the gtkdoc doesn't make it clear whether or CA_PROP_EVENT_ID *overrides* CA_PROP_MEDIA_FILENAME…
[06:26] <RAOF> I guess empirical testing may be in order.  Worse than a superfluous configuration option is a superfluous configuration option that *doesn't even work* :)
[06:28] <RAOF> smspillaz: So, it's possible my concern is actually ‘the option to set the bell sound filename doesn't work’ :)
[06:30] <RAOF> Either it works, and compiz won't follow the sound theme, or it doesn't, and compiz gains a non-functional option.  Score!
[06:32] <smspillaz> RAOF: we just don't se CA_PROP_MEDIA_FILENAME if mFilename is empty
[06:33] <RAOF> smspillaz: And you may need to *not* set CA_PROP_EVENT_ID if mFilename is not empty.  http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/libcanberra/gtkdoc/libcanberra-canberra.html#ca-context-play suggests that it'll override MEDIA_FILENAME.
[06:34] <RAOF> But relying on this crazy documentation thing is probably a bit ambitious.  There should be actual testing to confirm that libcanberra works that way.
[06:35] <RAOF> And I suspect that this testing could be asked of our intrepid branch submitterc.
[06:36] <RAOF> Shall I paste this IRC snippet in as a review comment?
[06:37] <smspillaz> sure
[06:37] <smspillaz> I'll probably just fix it myself though
[06:41] <RAOF> Ok.  I'll add that :)
[07:06] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:10] <didrocks> Kaleo: hey, FYI bug #817896
[08:10] <didrocks> Kaleo: 10:06:22       jibel | on a fresh install, login to Unity-2d and click on the launcher in
[08:10] <didrocks> this is before yesterday's version though
[08:13] <didrocks> jibel: let's wait for Kaleo to show up :)
[08:14] <Kaleo> didrocks: I'm here :)
[08:20] <stylesen> njpatel: ping
[08:25] <njpatel> stylesen, pong
[08:26] <stylesen> njpatel: private message?
[08:26] <njpatel> sure
[08:39] <Amaranth> hmm, nux seems to think all of its .tga files are invalid
[08:39] <Amaranth> WARN  2011-08-02 09:38:29 nux.image GdkGraphics.cpp:80 No pixbuf loaded
[08:39] <Amaranth> ERROR 2011-08-02 09:38:29 nux.image GdkGraphics.cpp:68 Failed to load image '/home/travis/bin/compiz/share/nux/1.0/UITextures/TriangleLeft.tga': Icon has zero width
[08:44] <didrocks> Amaranth: yeah, I got that as well, please report it! didn't have time to report it already
[08:44] <Andy80> hi all
[08:45] <ephan> hey Andy80
[08:46] <Andy80> hi ephan
[08:47] <lucazade> didrocks, I've seen you confirmed bug 818778 .. if need any info i'm here :)
[08:49] <didrocks> lucazade: my script certainly confirmed it for me TBH (it syncs the status when someone else confirmed it) :-)
[08:49] <didrocks> lucazade: but you can ping people here, not sure about that card (it's pulsebo, isn't it?), you should talk about it with jaytaoko when he's around
[08:50] <lucazade> didrocks, ok.. yes it is poulsbo
[08:50] <lucazade> didrocks, I'll ping jaytaoko then
[08:50] <didrocks> he's there in the us time generally
[08:50] <lucazade> didrocks, perfect, good to know
[08:54] <lucazade> didrocks, last thing.. bug 808849 is fixed
[08:55] <didrocks> lucazade: indeed, thanks! marking as such!
[08:59] <Amaranth> didrocks: will try to fix it instead, blocking me right now
[09:08] <Amaranth> gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file is failing
[09:10] <andyrock> good morning
[09:11] <andyrock> unity-panel-service not found... suggestions?
[09:21] <didrocks> lucazade: the global menu isn't in fact
[09:21] <didrocks> lucazade: look at the title in unity-2d
[09:26] <mnieper__> Hi...  When I log in ldm, only nautilus and compiz are being started when I select the "Ubuntu" session. Afterwards I have to add the rest of Unity by running "unity" in a terminal.
[09:26] <mnieper__> The funny thing is that everything works with the "Classic Gnome" session, even in 3D.
[09:28] <Amaranth> hmm, I didn't know windows .ico files were the TGA format
[09:28] <Amaranth> gdk-pixbuf is trying to load the tgas with its ico loader
[09:31] <Amaranth> didrocks: Do you know why some of the tga files have RLE and some don't?
[09:31] <Amaranth> The ones with RLE load fine, the ones without go through gdk-pixbuf's ico loader for some reason
[09:31] <didrocks> Amaranth: not really, should be a question for the nux guys
[09:31] <didrocks> or maybe thumper as well
[09:31] <didrocks> he made some work there
[09:32] <Amaranth> didrocks: the nux guys being DBO and jaytaoko?
[09:32]  * Amaranth misses the times when DBO didn't sleep
[09:35] <didrocks> Amaranth: indeed
[09:39] <Cimi_> hey seb
[09:48] <Amaranth> didrocks: So it looks like my choices are to fix gdk-pixbuf or compress all of the tga files since the compressed ones work
[09:48] <Amaranth> Going to decide on compressing
[09:48] <didrocks> Amaranth: I would go for compression :)
[09:48] <didrocks> yeah!
[09:49] <andyrock> didrocks, unity-panel-service non found... suggestions?
[09:49] <didrocks> andyrock: unity-services package is installed?
[09:51] <andyrock> didrocks, yes... and /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service exist
[09:51] <andyrock> *exists
[09:51] <didrocks> andyrock: check if you have a local version installed
[09:51] <didrocks> andyrock: like a .service file starting a local one
[09:52] <andyrock> and /usr/share/dbus-1/services/... is ok
[09:52] <didrocks> andyrock: in local?
[09:52] <andyrock> didrocks, let me check
[09:53] <Amaranth> didrocks: Or I could convert them all to PNG and reduce the size rather dramatically
[09:54] <andyrock> didrocks,  I always installed unity using as prefix /usr
[09:54] <andyrock> didrocks, i don't like /opt/unity :)
[09:54] <didrocks> andyrock: dunno then, if you don't have anything in /ussr/local… try starting it by hand for now at least
[09:55] <didrocks> Amaranth: talk maybe with jaytaoko before doing it?
[09:55] <Amaranth> didrocks: i guess so
[09:55] <Amaranth> otherwise it looks like only the gimp knows how to save RLE targa files
[09:55] <Amaranth> so I'll need to manually open all of these in the gimp and resave them
[10:43] <lucazade> didrocks, I see the font issue in title in unity-2d
[10:44] <didrocks> lucazade: yeah,same here, so not fixed
[10:44] <lucazade> didrocks, yes, not fixed :)
[11:02] <andyrock> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/723866 for unity is marked as confirmed, but the problem is not unity, but unity files place
[11:02] <andyrock> and for unity file place it is marked as fix commited
[11:03] <andyrock> so this bug is a little messy...
[11:03] <didrocks> andyrock: seems to be fix committed only, not released, right ?
[11:04] <didrocks> andyrock: unity can be see there as "master task", but as someone opened a downstream task, it's not considered as such
[11:04] <andyrock> yes... someone should release a new  0.5.46-0ubuntu(7)
[11:05] <didrocks> andyrock: yeah, I'm just rollback the bug status then
[11:05] <andyrock> didrocks, thx
[11:23] <ephan> Why are people using systray for the notification applet? It's not like the process is called systray.exe
[11:29] <njpatel> ephan, some people are just used to that (i.e. me)
[11:30] <njpatel> also, it's much shorter than "notification area"
[11:30] <ephan> notification applet, that's not the correct way either, it's indicator applet. either way, it's sad people are using the Windows name in my opinion, but what can be done XD
[11:31] <njpatel> ephan, oh, they are using it for the indicators?!
[11:32] <njpatel> that's Not Cool. :)
[11:32] <ephan> yeah i've seen systray being used for the Indicator Applet of Ubuntu a few times in Launchpad
[11:32] <njpatel> urgh
[11:33] <ephan> Well, IIRC Microsoft invented the Notificion Area some years ago, but the process was called "systray.exe". So people started using "system tray" for it.    Now ubuntu implemented this and people call it systray, Not Cool
[11:55] <om26er> latest update broke unity on my intel system works fine with nvidia, it does not start anymore. compiz without unity words fine
[11:55] <ephan> report it
[11:56] <ephan> bugs.launchpad.net/unity
[11:58] <om26er> ephan, no .crash file is created
[11:58] <ephan> That doesn't mean the bug can't be reported
[11:59] <om26er> ephan, saying "unity does not start" in a bug report is quite useless I believe
[11:59] <ephan> There's a lot of information you can give besides the .crash fiel
[12:00] <ephan> And just as useless it may be to make a bug saying "unity does not start", it's even more useless to join the channel to say that
[12:01] <om26er> ephan, no its not useless to say it here, atleast I don't think so.
[12:01] <ephan> I didn't say it was useless.
[12:01] <ephan> However, there are more changes the bug will be fixed if you report it
[12:02] <ephan> the right way.
[12:02] <andyrock> ephan, om26er is one of the most important unity contributors regarding unity bug :)
[12:02] <didrocks> ephan: you should maybe know that om26er is doing some huge ubuntu triaging work for the past few years and I totally trust him for that task and his opinion is something worth reporting or not
[12:03] <andyrock> didrocks, don't copy me :)
[12:03] <didrocks> andyrock: I typed a too long sentence! :-)
[12:03] <andyrock> om26er, btw you builded unity from sources?
[12:03] <didrocks> om26er: can it be: https://launchpad.net/bugs/819727 ?
[12:03] <ephan> om26er, then please tell us what U
[12:03] <ephan> ack
[12:04] <om26er> andyrock, its from repos
[12:04] <ephan> i'm so being ninja'd
[12:04] <om26er> just to check if there was nothing wrong locally i reinstalled todays oneiric build
[12:04] <andyrock> om26er, mmm ok...
[12:05] <om26er>  didrocks yes its seems thats the bug
[12:05] <didrocks> om26er: can you se that with jibel?
[12:05] <didrocks> njpatel: ^^
[12:05] <didrocks> see*
[12:07] <ephan> om26er, sorry if my response was inadequate.  I thought this because you didn't mention your Ubuntu version, I thought it was "latest update of 11.04 broke my system". But it seems you were building from source, the latest version of Unity for Ubuntu 11.10. So I see, it is adequate to post it here, as you know for a long time. Sorry :$
[12:09]  * om26er_ lost power :/
[12:23] <jibel> didrocks, Omega could bug 819739 be the same than brendan, also session fails to start on my test netbook after applying latest updates
[12:23] <jibel> bug 819739
[12:23] <didrocks> jibel: what do you mean "after applygin latest updates"?
[12:23] <didrocks> jibel: the latest iso + latest updates,
[12:24] <didrocks> njpatel: seems a jaytaoko's issue ^
[12:24] <jibel> didrocks, not latest iso, I updated compiz/nux/unity to the version you pushed last night
[12:24] <didrocks> jibel: ok, let's wait for jaytaoko's and njpatel's to answer there
[12:25] <didrocks> seems the shader doesn't wok on intel
[12:28] <jibel> I get the same trace on my netbook. So if you need guinea pigs, count me in.
[12:29] <didrocks> dbarth: FYI ^
[12:39] <jaytaoko> jibel: hello
[12:39] <jibel> Hey jaytaoko
[12:40] <jaytaoko> jibel: I have enable all system that supports it to use the GLSL shader code path, but there could be some special cases to handle
[12:40] <jaytaoko> jibel: can you paste the glxinfo and lspci of your system that fails?
[12:44] <jibel> jaytaoko, http://paste.ubuntu.com/657156/
[12:44] <jaytaoko> jibel: thanks
[12:50] <didrocks> njpatel: jaytaoko: can rev 402 be the cause?
[12:50] <didrocks> there are some shader's "mem leak fixes"
[12:50] <didrocks> didn't see any other shader's code changes
[12:51] <jaytaoko> jibel: I see that your system supports opengl 1.4, it also reports that it supports GLSL shaders (GL_ARB_vertex_shader and GL_ARB_fragment_shader). But it does not report that it supports a shader language version. No string with "OpenGL shading language version string". So something is off with the driver report I believe...
[12:53] <jaytaoko> didrocks: it is rev 401.
[12:55] <jaytaoko> didrocks: the code is ok, but it looks that some systems incorrectly reports supports for GLSL shaders... Or maybe it is because the driver are still being worked out...
[12:55] <didrocks> jaytaoko: one of the issue is that this intel card is the most popular netbook one
[12:56] <jaytaoko> didrocks: but its report of opengl capability seems off...
[12:57] <didrocks> jaytaoko: time for a workaround then?
[12:57] <jaytaoko> didrocks: jibel: I believe I have a fix for this... I will push in a few minutes...
[13:06] <Andy80> a question that could be OT, so please if you can point me to the right person/channel it would be apreciated. Let's suppose a quite famous company would like to develop and distribute a game trough Ubuntu Software Center... who should contact exactly?
[13:10] <mnieper__> Does anyone know by chance where gdm selects the "unity" profile of compiz when I ask for a unity session?
[13:10] <mnieper__> Due to some error here, the Standard profile (which does not include the unity plugin) is always loaded regardless of session.
[13:13] <mnieper__> (In case this is the wrong channel to ask these kind of questions do you happen to know where I could ask?)
[13:14] <om26er> mnieper__, #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 might be more related I believe
[13:25] <om26er> HarryHaaren, Hi
[13:25] <om26er> HarryHaaren, you closed bug 778082 without any reason, seems like a valid bug
[13:29] <HarryHaaren> om26er, I'll check which it is now, one sec
[13:31] <HarryHaaren> om26er, yes Its a duplicate of another, should have been marked as dup but that didn't happen, will do now
[13:31] <om26er> HarryHaaren, ah, ok ;)
[13:33] <Trevinho> Andy80: try ask to Canonical guys...
[13:34] <Andy80> Trevinho: yeah thanks, I'll make sure both parts will get in touch :)
[15:49] <API> didrocks, one question, does this:
[15:49] <API> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/compiz/+bug/724093
[15:49] <API> still applies?
[15:49] <API> AFAIK, alt-tab is being
[15:49] <didrocks> API: not sure, better to ask to smspillaz
[15:49] <API> implemented on Unity itself,
[15:49] <didrocks> or TheMuso
[15:49] <API> smspillaz, ^
[15:49] <API> TheMuso, ^
[15:59] <didrocks> om26er_: thanks for confirming the fix :)
[16:00] <smspillaz> API: we'll implement atk support in the new switcher
[16:00] <om26er_> didrocks, happy to ;)
[16:00] <smspillaz> it's broken in the old one and I haven't yet had the time to fix it
[16:01] <API> smspillaz, so that bug doesn't apply anymore, right?
[16:02] <smspillaz> API: yes and no
[16:02] <smspillaz> API: it needs to be fixed in compiz proper
[16:02] <wellark> hi
[16:02] <API> smspillaz, in compiz? I thought that new alt-tab was a unity thing
[16:02] <wellark> just hit a reproducable bug in unity-window-decorator on oneiric
[16:02] <wellark> trying to get gdb backtrace right now
[16:02] <smspillaz> wellark: I'm currently rewriting that ... but what is it?
[16:04] <wellark> smspillaz: I opened VLC's "Convert / Export" dialog
[16:04] <wellark> and that crashes uwd
[16:04] <wellark> and the dialog shows empty
[16:04] <smspillaz> wellark: sounds like some other application is not setting the wm_transient_for property correctly :(
[16:04] <smspillaz> we'll have to handle that case I guess
[16:05] <wellark> and as long as the dialog is open uwd will crash every time it's launched
[16:05] <API> didrocks, one question, what means "NULL project", I'm doing some triagging of the a11y bugs and this:
[16:05] <API> https://bugs.launchpad.net/null/+bug/702672
[16:05] <wellark> backtrace in a bit
[16:05] <API> is still open due that NULL project, but was fixed a long time ago
[16:05] <didrocks> API: Null project is a way to remove a project from a bug
[16:05] <didrocks> API: it's a dummy one
[16:06] <API> didrocks,  so it is normal if that bug is still open due the dummy project, in spite of being solved on unity?
[16:08] <didrocks> API: yeah, please put it as Fix released
[16:08] <API> didrocks, on the NULL projecT?
[16:10] <didrocks> API: right
[16:10] <API> didrocks, ok, done, thanks
[16:10] <didrocks> API: it's a dummy launchpad project, but still a project :)
[16:10] <didrocks> API: thanks!
[16:10] <didrocks> there is NULL2, NULL3 ;)
[16:13] <wellark> smspillaz: double unref(), maybe?  http://pastebin.com/z5n6Jg5P
[16:14] <wellark> that backtrace isn't much of use
[16:15] <smspillaz> wellark: these things are often race conditions
[16:16] <smspillaz> wellark: hopefully you won't see that crash with my rewritten decorator
[16:16] <wellark> let's hope :)
[16:16] <wellark> when can I test? :)
[16:17] <smspillaz> when its done
[16:17] <wellark> naturally. ;p
[16:17] <smspillaz> I don't usually give ETAs for these sorts of things because window managers are tricky
[16:17] <wellark> really (:p)
[16:17] <smspillaz> yes :)
[16:18] <wellark> ronoc: hi!
[16:18] <wellark> smspillaz: any idea how I could work around this?
[16:18] <wellark> I would really need to use the dialog somehow
[16:19] <wellark> It's just pure graphicsbuffer garbage
[16:21] <wellark> smspillaz: just give me a ping when you are about to release something. I would be happy to test your code. I even can use gdb if I have to ;)
[18:41] <Trevinho> smspillaz: did you see the workaround I used to "solve" the problem we was talking about last time?
[18:54] <fhd> I'm working on a patch that adds a text - what do I have to do to get it translated?
[18:54] <andyrock> _("text")
[18:55] <andyrock> fhd ^^^
[18:56] <fhd> andyrock: No need to ping some translation team, generate po files or something like that?
[18:57] <andyrock> fhd, add the _ macro
[18:58] <andyrock> then run cmake ...
[18:58] <andyrock> make
[18:58] <andyrock> and it will generate po files for you
[18:58] <andyrock> no need to ping translation team
[18:59] <andyrock> lp will do it for you
[18:59] <fhd> andyrock: Okay, that's nice
[18:59] <fhd> andyrock: But aren't the po files in bzr?
[18:59] <fhd> andyrock: Don't I have to add them?
[19:00] <andyrock> fhd, cmake and make (i don't remember the exact one) will do it for you
[19:00] <fhd> andyrock: Fair enough, thanks :)
[19:01] <wellark> couldn't canonical move all it's components to Scons?
[19:01]  * wellark hides
[19:02] <andyrock> fhd, yw
[19:48] <Andy80> AbsintheSyringe: hey :)
[19:49] <AbsintheSyringe> Andy80, hey :)
[19:49] <Andy80> AbsintheSyringe: I really missed the DebConf, but as you know I could not attend :(
[19:51] <AbsintheSyringe> Andy80, :( well we had fun! :)
[21:28] <thumper> morning
[21:45] <Amaranth> jaytaoko: you around?
[21:46] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: yes, hello
[21:46] <Amaranth> jaytaoko: so it seems half the tga files in nux are compressed and half aren't
[21:46] <Amaranth> the ones that aren't hit a bug in gdk-pixbuf that tries to load them as windows ico files
[21:46] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: so you mean some are RLE ?
[21:46] <Amaranth> right
[21:47] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: wow! so that is the problem we have been having for some time now...
[21:47] <Amaranth> so I can't actually run anything with nux right now because it can't load those files :)
[21:47] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: right, I can fix this for you
[21:48] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: or do you have something in mind?
[21:48] <Amaranth> want to get a merge request to you as soon as I get this all up and running
[21:48] <Amaranth> jaytaoko: well ideally you'd just convert them all to PNG and be done with it ;)
[21:48] <Amaranth> saves quite a bit of room, actually
[21:49] <Amaranth> but saving them with RLE would be fine, I was going to but that would require opening them in gimp one by one
[21:49] <Amaranth> since imagemagick doesn't support saving RLE targa, only reading
[21:49] <Amaranth> even though it appears to have an option to do RLE when saving
[21:50] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: ok, I can save them with RLE, I believe I have something for that...
[21:50] <Amaranth> xnconvert looked promising but I didn't try it
[21:52] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: alright, I will start withing an hour and I ping you as soon as it is done. Thanks for the tip!
[21:52] <Amaranth> jaytaoko: thanks
[22:10] <Amaranth> jaytaoko: btw why are you still changing the API after the 1.0 release :P
[22:10] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: yes
[22:11] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: we are making some changes... but they are necessary for unity
[22:11] <Amaranth> while I'm ranting, a commit to change the whitespace?
[22:11] <Amaranth> that may have been only unity, bit fuzzy on that
[22:11] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: whitespace to what?
[22:12] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: we are using white space instead of tab if that is what you mean...
[22:12] <Amaranth> I mean unity had one whitespace style and then suddenly had another one
[22:13] <Amaranth> so I had to basically manually rebase my changes on top of the new version
[22:13] <Amaranth> can't remember if nux had the same problem or not, don't think so
[22:13] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: Nux use to be 4 whiye space but we are switching it to 2 spaces for tabs
[22:14] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: what if your Nux version was merged with ours, would that make it easier?
[22:14] <Amaranth> jaytaoko: If it was merged with yours I'd be done :P
[22:14] <Amaranth> afaik it's done, I've just been forward porting it as I chase down a weird blending issue with unity
[22:15] <Amaranth> which I'm about to give up on and see if you guys can figure out anyway :)
[22:15] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: yes, I would like to help you with that after we make the feature freeze...
[22:16] <Amaranth> yeah, my problem is I need to get all of this in for feature freeze or get an exception :)
[22:56] <jaytaoko> Amaranth: I have pushed the converted tga files. give it a try please


[00:02] <n1ckn4me09876543> hey, do I need firewall in linux like with lubuntu to keep unauthorized access to my pc? I'm mainly talking about home/public network
[00:03] <n1ckn4me09876543> or will I know it if someone is trying to break into my lubuntu
[00:03] <will_> You should
[00:04] <will_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[00:04] <n1ckn4me09876543> I'm new to linux I normally use comodo firewall in windows
[00:05] <n1ckn4me09876543> nice link will_ ty
[00:07] <will_> You'd generally want to default to deny all incoming connections by default. For a desktop, you rarely will want to allow anything incoming
[00:11] <n1ckn4me09876543> I'm newb to networking, but if I deny all incoming connection, I wont be able to go to internet? or is that different to home/public network?
[00:13] <will_> It denies new connections
[00:13] <will_> new incoming connections
[00:16] <kanliot> ubuntu and lubuntu have a built in firewall
[00:16] <kanliot> enabled by default
[00:21] <stlsaint> kanliot: ??
[00:21] <stlsaint> kanliot: firewall?
[00:21] <stlsaint> kanliot: you refering to iptables?
[00:22] <stlsaint> n1ckn4me09876543: try a scan on your network ;)
[00:25] <kanliot> stlsaint, yes
[00:26] <will_> ufw isn't installed by default though :(
[00:30] <n1ckn4me09876543> stlsaint: how do I scan my network and see who's connected? what's the command line
[00:44] <Resistance> kanliot:  iptables is included by default, not enabled by default
[00:44] <Resistance> just to clarify
[00:45] <Resistance> on installation its defaults are to ALLOW everything
[00:45] <Resistance> you can use ufw to set up a firewall easily
[00:51] <Casey> I need some help with installing some packages
[00:51] <Casey> what is the command to install packages
[00:51] <kanliot> wait, if "ubuntu ships with no open ports by default"  this doesn't mean the firewall is on?  just means there's no kind of thing running?  Resistance?
[00:51] <kanliot> synaptic package manager
[00:51] <kanliot> sudo synaptic
[00:52] <Resistance> kanliot:  ubuntu ships with iptables installed, but there's no rules on it by default
[00:52] <Resistance> confirmed with clean Ubuntu 12.04
[00:52] <Casey> welli'm starting with the minial install
[00:52] <Resistance> so ports are "open" then
[00:52] <Resistance> but there's nothing listening on them
[00:52] <kanliot> ok
[00:52] <kanliot> casey new users might be better off using the alternate installer
[00:53] <Resistance> of course, since i back up my iptables rules remotely, i just downloaded the rules and put iptables-persistent on :P  so my rules are restored
[00:53] <Casey> i just need to know the commands
[00:53] <Casey> well how do i put in synaptic package manager
[00:53] <kanliot> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[00:54] <kanliot> resistance, what do you use for backups?
[00:54] <Resistance> kanliot:  of...?
[00:54] <Casey> chromo is jsut chromo
[00:55] <Resistance> kanliot:  on shutdown i have an rsync to a remote server of the iptables rules
[00:55] <Casey> chrome
[00:55] <kanliot> i guess stuff under 100M
[00:55] <Resistance> kanliot:  ahh
[00:55] <Resistance> kanliot:  i back up my non-critical information manually to an external drive
[00:55] <Resistance> but my firewall is 100% critical, so i rsync that offsite
[00:56] <kanliot> chrome is a game
[00:56] <kanliot> or i mean chromium is a game
[00:57] <kanliot> google-chrome-stable is what you want
[00:57] <kanliot> but i think its in the ubuntu partners repository
[00:57] <kanliot> @ casey
[00:58] <Casey> ok what is the update mangure
[01:01] <kanliot> casey seriously. no offense but you should try the alternate cd
[01:01] <kanliot> unless you really need the minimal
[01:01] <Casey> yes i just need a few things as its going to be used as a server with gui
[01:01] <will_> :(
[01:02] <will_> It's a bit unsafe to run a GUI on a server
[01:03] <Casey> then why is ther one on windows server hehe
[01:03] <will_> That's a whole different story
[01:03] <kanliot> i don't think theres any difference in ram use between lubuntu and lubuntu minimal, but i could be wrong
[01:03] <will_> You can hardly compare the two
[01:03] <kanliot> or cpu either
[01:04] <will_> Casey: I think you should use the Ubuntu-server edition
[01:04] <Casey> anyway what i need is update-manager right?
[01:04] <kanliot> there's a how-to on the wiki on how to install remote desktop on lubuntu
[01:04] <kanliot> but please don't use minimal
[01:05] <Casey> what do you think ishould use?
[01:06] <kanliot> lubuntu desktop 64bit... then install remote desktop
[01:07] <Casey> i don't need remote desktop
[01:07] <kanliot> ok
[01:07] <Casey> and its not a 64bit cpu
[01:07] <kanliot> how much ram
[01:07] <Casey> 254mb
[01:07] <kanliot> ok
[01:07] <kanliot> use alternate
[01:07] <will_> ouch
[01:08] <Casey> i did have 10.04 running on it
[01:08] <kanliot> you said you needed a gui
[01:10] <Casey> why don't i want minimal?
[01:12] <kanliot> i thought it would help ya out since you are only now learning how to install packages
[01:12] <kanliot> synaptic is great for new users, and minimal has it
[01:13] <Casey> well i have been use linux soem  but i haven't istall that many packages
[01:13] <kanliot> do you use ssh?
[01:14] <Casey> som e
[01:15] <kanliot> well i really don't know what you need
[01:15] <kanliot> its bad form to try and help people by guessing what you need
[01:17] <Casey> ok what version of lubuntu should i use the new version or 10.04?
[01:17] <kanliot> 12.04
[01:18] <Casey> ok
[01:18] <kanliot> but that's a guess :)
[01:19] <Casey> why woulkd i want 10.04
[01:19] <kanliot> you wouldn't if 12.04 is working well
[01:21] <Casey> ok
[01:21] <Casey> i was thinking of puting in the minimal and then add the browers and updater and notpad
[01:22] <kanliot> yeah
[01:22] <kanliot> well you might try just plain lubuntu alternate
[01:22] <kanliot> it will save you time
[01:22] <Casey> ok
[01:34] <pibarnas> kanliot, what's this alternate?
[01:37] <kanliot> its a simple installer for low ram
[01:37] <Unit193> !alternate
[01:38] <will_> !minimal
[01:38] <pibarnas> interesting. thanks.
[02:30] <arbolwhahine> Hmm, not seeing any activity yet . . . newbie, here
[02:31] <LordOfTime> arbolwhahine:  patience :P
[02:31] <LordOfTime> you've only been here a minute :P
[02:31] <Yos> welcome
[02:31] <Unit193> !ask
[02:35] <arbolwhahine> Dang, didn't realize patience would be necessary :).  Ok, just inlled Lubuntu (had been using Ubuntu Lucid Lynx).  The look was all funky, so I decided to start by changing the wallpaper, which I did.  Apparently, though what I've been looking at wasn't the wallpaper?  It's this tabbed menu thing with a blue background.  When I shut down or start up, the wallpaper I configured flashes on the screen for a moment, but then all I g
[02:36] <Unit193> You got cutoff, but sounds like you're using the "Netbook" login.
[02:36] <arbolwhahine> Unit193:  Yes!  Ok, the standard login will give me different results?
[02:37] <Unit193> Yep, that's basically a test interface.
[02:37] <arbolwhahine> Right on!  Many thanks - I would have spent hours trying to figure this out and who knows if that would have even occurred to me!
[02:37] <Unit193> Heh, welcome.
[02:39] <arbolwhahine> I will display my gratitude by taking my IRC ineptitude and exiting, stage left.  May your good deed and patience be rewarded many times over.
[02:39] <Unit193> Heh, have a great evening.
[02:52] <uvtc> dpkg -l | grep gnome | wc -l
[02:52] <uvtc> 41
[02:52] <uvtc> Do others have about that many?
[02:52] <uvtc> I can't recall if I installed something that pulled them in, or if lubuntu simply comes with a number of gnome packages. Anyone?
[02:53] <Yos> I have 50
[02:53] <uvtc> thanks, Yos. Do you think it's normal for Lubuntu to have that many?
[02:54] <Yos> I'm new to all this so I wouldn't know
[02:54] <uvtc> Ok, thanks, Yos.
[02:55] <uvtc> I'm curious to know how much Gnome that Lubuntu actually uses.
[02:55] <Yos> !purelubuntu
[02:56] <Yos> hmm
[02:56] <Unit193> s/lubuntu/lxde
[02:56] <Yos> !purelxde
[02:57] <Yos> uvtc, ^^
[02:57] <Unit193> And I only have 26
[02:58] <uvtc> thanks, ubottu. My hunch is that I do in fact like the ease-of-use that Ubuntu brings. I'm not sure what I'd be doing without if I were to go pure-lxde.
[02:59] <uvtc> ubottu, but those lists of packages on that page are interesting...
[02:59] <uvtc> Oh my, I seem to have failed a turing test. :)
[03:03] <uvtc> Interesting that there are so many gnomish items in that list.
[03:03] <uvtc> Thanks for the link, Yos.
[03:05] <Yos> yw
[03:08] <IdleOne> .!purelubuntu has been added and can now be used
[03:08] <IdleOne> Good night.
[03:09] <uvtc> !purelubuntu
[03:11] <Unit193> Good night, IdleOne.
[03:13] <uvtc> Unit193, funny that you only have 26 packages on your system. Are you running Lubuntu?
[03:14] <uvtc> Unit193, s/packages/gnome packages/
[03:14] <uvtc> or, at least, packages with "gnome" in the name.
[03:15] <uvtc> If I take that list of lubuntu packages at <http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelubuntu>, put them one on each line, then grep gnome | wc -l, I get 46.
[03:18] <Unit193> uvtc: Yes, and mainly libs.
[03:19] <Unit193> That doesn't get you back to fresh Lubuntu install either.
[03:19] <uvtc> Yeah, I don't think I'd try it.
[03:20] <uvtc> But I do find it interesting how much gnome Lubuntu uses. I've used Gnome a lot in the past, I'm just not crazy about the new direction they've gone in wrt the UI. Maybe I'd like it if I spent more time with it. Dunno.
[05:53] <kantoquad> hello, I am installing lubuntu on an old nc6000 laptop, it see the wireless networks, but refuses to connect
[05:53] <kantoquad> I tried wicd, no good either
[05:54] <kantoquad> stuck a usb wifi stick on, same thing
[05:55] <kantoquad> any idea
[05:55] <kantoquad> it works with Bodhi withou a hitch
[05:55] <kantoquad> only problem is, I like lubuntu better than Bohdi
[07:38] <Homely_Girl> Hello, Am I tio early
[07:38] <Unit193> For what?
[07:39] <Homely_Girl> My word, Batman, dont u ever sleep??
[07:39] <Homely_Girl> lol
[07:40] <Unit193> Oooh, that's a new thought! Considering it'z 03:40, might be a good one too.
[07:40] <Homely_Girl> It's with regret I ask this......to have a dual bit windows and Linux pc....
[07:41] <Homely_Girl> Sky sod lol
[07:41] <Homely_Girl> no silly!!
[07:41] <Unit193> So what's the question bit?
[07:42] <Homely_Girl> Bear with me, am on my phone
[07:43] <Homely_Girl> Sip I have to instal windows first then do I boot from Linux cd and instal it next to doze??
[07:43] <Homely_Girl> sip =so
[07:43] <Unit193> Yes, you install windows first then linux, unless you've already done otherwise.
[07:44] <Homely_Girl> Well I have no data on the machine, and vaguely recall someone saying better to do it that way???
[07:46] <Homely_Girl> I doing really wanna but need to Skype with cam
[07:46] <Homely_Girl> How do I instal webcam on Lubuntu?
[07:46] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows Should have the rest if you'd like that as well.
[07:47] <Unit193> Don't have one, but there is a program called "cheese"(?) that works with them.
[07:48] <Homely_Girl> I know cheese, but it didn't work.  All my family are in Africa, so regretably gonna have to dual boot!!
[07:49] <Homely_Girl> :-(
[07:49] <Homely_Girl> Think it's time to get up and face the dual boot. , Sleep well Batman. :-)
[07:50] <Homely_Girl> adios
[11:14] <smile> :D
[14:10] <cheryl> Hello
[14:25] <kanliot> hi
[14:30] <murple> I have installed Ubuntu 12.04 Server + LXDE and I'm having trouble getting my webcam to work. It worked in my previously installation of Ubuntu Desktop (I believe I had upgraded it to Natty).
[14:31] <murple> I think it's a UVC driver problem but I'm not sure and I'm having difficulties troubleshooting.
[14:31] <murple> Or rather, troubleshooting is going great, I just can't get the darn thing to work anymore.
[14:31] <holstein> murple: i would look in lscpi and/or lsusb ..see if the device is showing up there
[14:31] <murple> I see the webcam listed in Cheese and similar programs, but I cannot select uit.
[14:31] <murple> holstein: I will, I don't believe it is.
[14:33] <murple> holstein: The webcam I'm trying to make work is not listed, however the built-in iSight webcam is showing (I have an old iMac) . I can't get that to work either though.
[14:33] <holstein> murple: the imac? or the isight?
[14:33] <murple> There must be some component/driver/thinamagig that Ubuntu Desktop installs by default and Ubuntu Server does not install by default.
[14:33] <holstein> you have several "unknowns" that i see.. the USB ports on the device its self need to be tested, both hardware and software
[14:34] <murple> The old iMac is working as well as can be expected, much thanks to LXDE.
[14:34] <murple> The iSight doesn't work.
[14:34] <holstein> murple: ubuntuserver *is* ubuntu.. if you installed LXDE, you might not have gotten something... but lubuntu-desktop would be the same
[14:34] <murple> Well... possibly but everything was working in my previous install of Ubuntu Desktop.
[14:34] <holstein> murple: on that hardware?
[14:34] <murple> yes.
[14:35] <holstein> murple: that was a different kernel *if* it was 11.10
[14:35] <murple> the same webcam, the same iMac, the same iSight. Everything was working with a previous installation of Ubuntu Desktop.
[14:35] <murple> I believe so, Natty Narwhal I think it was.
[14:35] <holstein> murple: right.. you need to *know*
[14:35] <murple> I feel like there is something that is not installed/activated by default in Ubuntu Server, which is installed/activated by default in Ubuntu Desktop.
[14:35] <holstein> that would be the likely cause though... kernel version.. the DE really doesnt atter
[14:36] <murple> DE?
[14:36] <holstein> murple: grab a 12.04 live CD and try it
[14:36] <murple> Desktop .Environment.
[14:36] <holstein> DE = desktop envirnment
[14:36] <murple> Gotcha.
[14:36] <murple> hmm.
[14:36] <holstein> that what you are proposing, and grabbing an ubuntu 12.04 live CD will tell you that
[14:37] <holstein> if it works with the 12.04 live CD, then you are missing a package
[14:37] <murple> hmm.
[14:37] <murple> If this were a driver issue would the USB webcam still show up in lsusb or not?
[14:37] <holstein> murple: the kernel has the drivers
[14:38] <holstein> if the drivers are there, it shows up.. thats a good first step
[14:38] <murple> But only the iSight webcam is showing up, not the other webcam I need to have working.
[14:38] <holstein> murple: cool
[14:38] <murple> so "all drivers" are included in the kernel?
[14:39] <holstein> murple: and the 11.10 kernel could have supported the device
[14:39] <murple> but not the 12.04 kernel?
[14:39] <holstein> murple: not all.. thats how support gets dropped
[14:39] <holstein> doesnt mean you cant add it back
[14:39] <murple> right, but how would I go about finding and installing what I need?
[14:39] <holstein> murple: i would try a 12.04 live CD
[14:39] <murple> I'm sorry if you have to repeat yourself, I'm still something of a Linux noob.
[14:40] <holstein> murple: `i would get out the 11.10 live CD and poke around
[14:40] <murple> But I don't understand why, I'm already running 12.04??
[14:40] <murple> That makes more sense.
[14:40] <holstein> murple: sure, but you think you are missing a package
[14:40] <murple> No point in using a 12.04 live CD when I'm already running 12.04 right?
[14:40] <holstein> murple: and if you try the 12.04 live CD, then you'll know for sure
[14:41] <murple> I understand, but downloading and testing both 11.10 and 12.04 involves a whole lot of time and effort and I thought there was a better/faster approach to troubloot.
[14:41] <murple> troubleshoot.
[14:42] <holstein> well, you will need to take some time and spend some effort somewhere
[14:42] <holstein> its up to you how you want to spend that time
[14:42] <murple> Other than bugging you on IRC? : )
[14:42] <murple> arg!
[14:42] <holstein> hehe.. i dont mind.. i just dont know without having the hardware in front of me
[14:42] <murple> yeah.
[14:42] <holstein> and, i typically use the live CD's as a tool
[14:43] <holstein> if you think its the DE, or a missing package, fire up a live CD and confirm.. could be the case
[14:43] <murple> In Windows I would just google my hardware, find the appropriate driver and install it.
[14:43] <holstein> murple: you cant compare that
[14:43] <murple> I don't think it's the DE, I never meant that.
[14:43] <holstein> murple: you can ask the manufacturer to supply you a driver as they did for you in windows
[14:44] <murple> I meant the Server edition as opposed to the Desktop edition of Ubuntu might have something to do with it.
[14:44] <holstein> "windows" didnt have anything to do with that driver
[14:44] <murple> There are two downloads of 12.04 Desktop and Server and that's what I was referring to earlier.
[14:44] <holstein> murple: sure.. and i say, open the desktop edition up and confirm that
[14:44] <murple> right
[14:44] <holstein> murple: this is PPC as well correct?
[14:44] <murple> Not sure what that is, it's an old Intel iMac.
[14:45] <murple> Power PC? Don't think so.
[14:45] <holstein> PPC is not officially supported anymore either.. i might just stick with 11.10 if its working, or 10.04
[14:45] <holstein> murple: you need to *know* that too
[14:45] <holstein> if its intel, then its not PPC
[14:45] <kanliot> i thought it was supported
[14:45] <murple> Okay, then it's not a PPC. This was the first iMac with an Intel in it.
[14:45] <murple> blah!
[14:45] <holstein> kanliot: official support was dropped in 10.10, right?.. im not sure
[14:46] <kanliot> we dropped k5 or something in 10.10
[14:46] <murple> ok.
[14:46] <murple> well...
[14:46] <kanliot> it's on the download wiki page if you need 2 check
[14:46] <murple> I suppose I'm going to take a break from this and continue later.
[14:46] <kanliot> :)
[14:46] <murple> holstein: Thank you very much for your time and assistance.
[14:46] <murple> much appreciated
[14:47] <murple> (although entirely fruitless!)
[14:47] <murple> j/k.
[14:47] <holstein> murple: lol... anytime
[15:24] <raphaelle> hello @ll, is that natural that during 11.10 to 12.04 upgrade nothing appears on screen ?
[15:41] <smile> hi :)
[15:42] <smile> raphaelle: I don't think so? :)
[15:44] <smile> raphaelle: did you try a clean install?
[16:11] <raphaelle> smile, sorry I've been out, I did not try a clean install yet, since my lubuntu 11.10 is fine. Though, trying to upgrade to 12.10 through update manager, I entered my root password and now there is a "precise" task running background and consumming 70-80 % of CPU... but no update message on screen ! Should this happen ?
[16:12] <raphaelle> sorry, of course I'm upgrading to 12.04, not 12.10 :-)
[16:12] <smile> raphaelle: it shouldn't ;)
[16:12] <smile> but it seems to be on the upgrade way :p
[16:13] <smile> so, my advice: hands off :p
[16:14] <raphaelle> OK, wait and see...
[16:26] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo all
[16:29] <smile> raphaelle: good luck
[16:29] <smile> :)
[16:36] <stiltzkin> Hi all, I just installed Lubuntu 12.04 on my desktop, but it refuses to boot. Graphical boot just shows a black screen, and if I do recovery mode it hangs on a line that says just "hostname stop/waiting." Any idea what could cause this?
[16:37] <holstein> stiltzkin: graphics card driver.. bad hardware... somethine with the network
[16:37] <holstein> stiltzkin: were you able to get to the live desktop?
[16:38] <stiltzkin> holstein, yeah I was able to get to the live desktop
[16:38] <stiltzkin> this has an Nvidia GeForce 5800, old card. Bad hardware is certainly not out of the question, this is an old machine
[16:39] <stiltzkin> I was actually able to get it to boot, but just once...I had to do recovery mode and then it let me continue a normal boot. Restarted to install wireless drivers and now it's back to this error
[16:40] <holstein> stiltzkin: if you are able to get to the live desktop without any tricks, then it shouldnt be the graphics driver.. i would test the hard drive and ram and go from there
[16:41] <stiltzkin> Already ran Memtest86+, RAM should be OK. And 768MB should be enough for LXDE I think. Hard drive should be alright too, I wiped it entirely for this install
[16:42] <stiltzkin> I'm installing Lubuntu on this machine because when it had Windows XP on it, it would just randomly freeze up. Like entirely without warning, the entire OS would just freeze. And this is after several clean installs of Windows. So I figured either it was a software problem with Windows or a hardware problem with the computer itself. With Lubuntu failing to work I'm starting to think it's the latter, but I'm not sure what e
[16:42] <stiltzkin> xactly could be broken
[16:43] <holstein> stiltzkin: if you didnt test the hard drive, then i would
[16:44] <holstein> ubuntu/lubuntu is not magic.. if you had a hardware issue causing freezing, you should expect the same in linux
[16:44] <stiltzkin> Probably not a bad idea. I could just throw a different drive in there too and see if the problem persists
[16:44] <holstein> you can load the live CD... use if for a while.. if it doesnt freeze, could be the hard drive
[16:45] <stiltzkin> Of course, I didn't expect it to...but the message "hostname stop/waiting" didn't seem like a hard drive type problem
[16:47] <stiltzkin> Actually it's not booting the LiveCD now either. Something else must be broken...definitely hardware related :/
[16:50] <holstein> stiltzkin: you can always test the memory til you are *sure*... remove the physical hard drive... boot the live cd til you get a desktop... turn things off in the bios, or remove hardware til you are sure what is the issue
[16:53] <stiltzkin> Yeah trying to boot with the drive disconnected now.
[17:02] <stiltzkin> holstein, Yeah fails to boot even with the drive disconnected...but Memtest86+ passes the RAM...something else is up
[17:03] <holstein> graphics card driver.. you can hit shift on boot, and F6 and pass some kernel options such as "nomodeset"
[17:12] <stiltzkin> holstein, successfully booted the livecd with nomodeset, interesting...
[17:17] <holstein> stiltzkin: if its a desktop, i might just go and put another graphics card in... you can use nomodeset to install.. its likely you can add that option to the kernel easy enough and just boot what you have installed
[17:19] <razvan986> hy there
[17:19] <razvan986> anyone can help me?
[17:19] <holstein> razvan986: you'll need to just ask, and see
[17:19] <razvan986> why radio tray crashes after i switch radio channels
[17:20] <holstein> razvan986: with what software?
[17:20] <razvan986> it gives me an error report
[17:20] <razvan986> Lubuntu
[17:20] <holstein> razvan986: what operating system?
[17:20] <razvan986> latest
[17:20] <holstein> lubuntu 12.04?
[17:20] <holstein> what software?
[17:20] <razvan986> yes
[17:20] <razvan986> radio tray
[17:20] <holstein> im not familiar with that.. is that in one of the music players?
[17:21] <razvan986> just an internet radio streamer
[17:21] <holstein> razvan986: sure.. what software?
[17:22] <razvan986> http://radiotray.sourceforge.net/
[17:23] <holstein> razvan986: i would say, if you can start it from the terminal and see any helpful output, note that output
[17:23] <holstein> i would try and either upgrade or downgrade radiotray in synaptic or the package manager of your chioce
[17:23] <razvan986> how to start it from terminal?
[17:23] <holstein> choice*
[17:24] <holstein> razvan986: i typically just type the command that starts the application.. maybe that is "radiotray"
[17:24] <razvan986> ok
[17:28] <stiltzkin> holstein, thanks for your help...looks like my problem is a known issue with the card: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/geforce-fx-5200-ubuntu-whenever-i-try-to-boot-into-graphical-mode-it-freezes-808071/
[17:29] <holstein> stiltzkin: you can use the vesa driver though.. thats what just work (or so i assume)
[17:29] <stiltzkin> holstein, isn't there a proprietary nvidia driver I can install for this card? There's not really much point in me having it in the machine if I only use the vesa driver
[17:30] <holstein> stiltzkin: you can check with nvidia
[17:30] <stiltzkin> jockey-gtk reports no available proprietary drivers
[17:31] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[17:31] <holstein> stiltzkin: i would use the vesa one... or put in another card
[17:33] <razvan986> (radiotray:9012): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-WARNING **: Translation has an invalid value 'st-dr' for default text direction.  Defaulting to left-to-right.
[17:33] <razvan986> /usr/share/radiotray/plugins
[17:33] <razvan986> Gnome Media Keys, Controls Radio Tray through keyboard multimedia keys, GnomeMediaKeysPlugin.py, Carlos Ribeiro
[17:33] <razvan986> Sleep Timer, Stops playing after a predefined time, SleepTimerPlugin.py, Carlos Ribeiro
[17:33] <razvan986> Notifications, Shows message notifications on the desktop, NotificationPlugin.py, Carlos Ribeiro
[17:33] <razvan986> HelloWorld, This is a test plugin, HelloWorld.py, Carlos Ribeiro
[17:33] <razvan986> started
[17:33] <razvan986> History, Shows song history, HistoryPlugin.py, Carlos Ribeiro
[17:34] <razvan986> i started radio tray from terminal
[17:34] <holstein> razvan986: you can paste output like that to pastebin
[17:34] <holstein> !paste
[17:35] <holstein> razvan986: i would likely just try and contact the maintainer.. the maintainer will suggest you use the package from the site instead of the repacakged version from ubuntu
[17:35] <razvan986> ok
[17:35] <holstein> razvan986: you can try upgrading or downgrading the package in synaptic or the package manager of your choice
[17:52] <kristian-T61p> cheers
[17:52] <kanliot> hi
[17:53] <kristian-T61p> Unit193, how  are you today?
[17:53]  * kristian-T61p kids
[17:53] <kristian-T61p> I just had a crash and sent an error rapport via Apport
[17:53] <Unit193> Did it also give a bug number?
[17:53] <kristian-T61p> ah, wait... how do I check?
[17:53] <kristian-T61p> I rebooted in the mean time
[17:53] <kanliot> bug 1000000
[17:54] <Unit193> I have gotten a few crashes, but apport never works. :P
[17:55] <kristian-T61p> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 <--- this is still my fave
[17:55] <Unit193> Meh, it's not a real bug, so....
[17:55] <kristian-T61p> I love the idea of sending bugs automatically, though
[17:56] <kristian-T61p> Unit193, Shuttleworth himself submitted it, I think it is real ;)
[17:56] <kanliot> actually i just read a debian guys blog who says he hates launchpad for all the clutter
[17:56] <Unit193> Nope, still not a real bug, doesn't change with who does it.
[17:56] <kristian-T61p> can I somehow increase the logging and sending of reports?
[17:56] <kanliot> yeah debug builds
[17:57] <kanliot> right?
[17:57] <kristian-T61p> ah, sorry... I meant automatically
[17:57] <kristian-T61p> sign up for some program... install a package
[17:58] <kanliot> well apport tells you if your bug was already reported right?
[17:59] <kristian-T61p> actually, Apport kept restarting
[17:59] <kanliot> huh that sounds bad
[18:01] <kristian-T61p> yes...
[18:13] <arbolwhahine> I want to configure my VPN.  I click on the Network Manager icon --> VPN Connections --> Configure VPN.  The little box pops up, but when I go to the VPN tab, the "Add" button is greyed out and I can't select it.
[18:17] <zleap> does ubuntu customisation kit work for lubntu
[18:17] <zleap> trying to create custom 12.04 cd have archives frm netboot apt cache archive folder so can i add those to the cd
[18:18] <kanliot> this is an old thread but it might work for u
[18:18] <kanliot> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588337
[18:18] <kanliot> arbolwhahine,
[18:19] <arbolwhahine> Thanks Kanliot.  I'll give it a try.
[18:29] <smile> bye :)
[19:39] <raphaelle> hello @ll,  " upgrade monitor" disapeared once I clicked on "upgrade to 12.04", and now "precise" is running in the background, and I could "strace" a lot of "no such file or directory" see  http://pastebin.com/ABmyft0a Should I let this "precise" stuff carry on ?
[19:45] <Unit193> Well, you may have to fix your sources.list, and I have no idea if that's what it's supposed to do as I always use the terminal method. :/
[20:02] <raphaelle> Unit193, I finally killed "precise" and launched sudo apt-get upgrade wiche works fine. thanks anyway !
[20:03] <Unit193> upgrade won't update to precise, just update current oneiric.
[20:26] <subman> I'm having a problem with my hard drive filling up very fast.  I noticed while troubleshooting that every directory shows, for example, 1 MB of size, but size on disk is 8 MB.  Every directory shows the same, 8x's actual space taken up on the disk.  I have a fairly plain, new installation and it is showing 5.02 GB of space taken up on my 8GB hard drive.  Any ideas?
[20:33] <will_> Hello
[20:36] <wxl> subman: that's a real stumper. have you tried a re-install? what processes are running? is this directories on / as well as within ~? what sort of drive? have you had similar problems on any other os?
[22:01] <will_> Has anyone measured how much power is actually saved by running Lubuntu?
[22:23] <kristian-T61p> will_, this was up some time ago
[22:23] <kristian-T61p> some researcher, I think...
[22:23] <will_> Oh hey, you have a T61p? :) I just bought one
[22:23] <will_> Was it a significant amount of power savings?
[22:26] <kristian-T61p> will_, I don't remember
[22:27] <kristian-T61p> and yes, I have a T61p ;)
[22:27] <will_> Do you like it? I just bought one with a 1920x1200 screen, yesterday
[22:27] <will_> Everything on it compatible with Lubuntu?
[22:28] <kristian-T61p> yes, I like it pretty much
[22:28] <kristian-T61p> it is a bit heavy to drag around, is my sole complaint
[22:28] <will_> ah
[22:28] <kristian-T61p> everything works with 12.04... or everything I have tested
[22:29] <kristian-T61p> LXPanel crashes often, it will be interesting to see if this happens to you also
[22:30] <will_> Ok. yeah, I've had some stability problems with openbox on 12.04. It restarts nicely, but just a pain
[22:30] <will_> (This is on an R60)
[22:33] <kristian-T61p> actually, the only distro where I've had success with the wifi is Lubuntu...
[22:33] <will_> Ubuntu gave you problems?
[22:33] <will_> This was with the built in wifi?
[22:34] <kristian-T61p> I have not tried "Vanilla" Ubuntu
[22:35] <kristian-T61p> those that failed shall remain unnamed ;)
[22:35] <will_> lol