[03:47] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: yeah, see if you can sudo apt-get install wget
[03:49] <angelusco> why my web sites doesn't look like in windogs
[03:49] <cvardar> ye sit succeded setted up wget 1.20-2ubuntu0.1
[03:49] <angelusco> i mean, i tried to enter to some web site and it doesn't look fine, somethings are out of their places and i can't c some java applet
[03:49] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: once you have that installed 'wget -O /dev/null http://www.skycon.net/test.img' that will download a 10MB test image from my server and dump it to /dev/null so you won't really be saving it. Basically just using wget to test your speed to rule out if it's a connection thing or just konqueror.
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: you don't have to download the whole thing, you can hit crtl-c after you let it go for 20 seconds or so, just make note of the speed wget is downloading at.
[03:51] <LjL> LeeJunFan: to test connection speed, I'd use axel and download a file that has many mirrors, so that download speed won't be influenced by the specific host or network one is downloading from
[03:51] <cvardar> for last 20 seconds it says resolving www.skycon.net
[03:52] <cvardar> now ia m downlaodin gwith 159 K/s
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: that might be your problem. your DNS settings don't seem happy.
[03:52] <cvardar> so it seems resolving the addres tkaes barely 30 seconds or so
[03:52] <v-dogg> I changed the language to Finnish and logged out but wasn't able to log back in because the keyboard stoped working
[03:52] <cvardar> i guess so,
[03:52] <v-dogg> rebooting solved it
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: if you cat /etc/resolv.conf what do you see there?
[03:52] <v-dogg> and now I'm using Finnish kubuntu
[03:52] <v-dogg> and it seems to rock :)
[03:53] <cvardar> i see nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> angelusco: that's a side effect of people who design pages and don't care if the pages meet standards, as long as they test it in IE and it look okay for them they figure it must be okay for everyone.
[03:54] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: and I suspect you are using DHCP on your network to configure your networking?
[03:55] <cvardar> yes i do, but i cna avoid it .
[03:55] <cvardar> doe sit make sense?
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: well, if your windows box uses DHCP too then it should be using the same settings for DNS, and if so then it doesn't make sense why it would take so long to resolve with linux.
[03:56] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: maybe your windows box has the DNS settings for your provider manually entered in?
[03:57] <cvardar> lets try to assing fixed ip, to isee if it will change something. actually all other 3 monuters uses dhcp without problem here
[03:57] <angelusco> leejunfan, so i won't c that page fine... well, np i hate when people do that, to make a web just for ie
[03:58] <angelusco> is there something like macromedia flash or even better the macromedia flash for linux ?
[03:58] <PJeremy> does anyone here use Opera?
[03:59] <angelusco> pjeremy, i don't
[03:59] <LjL> PJeremy: used to, but long ago
[03:59] <PJeremy> opera can't find operamotifwrapper-3.. even after i installed libmotif-3 ..
[03:59] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: you may also want to install dnsutils which will give you dig, you can troubleshoot all DNS problems nicely with that.
[04:02] <cvardar> it seems dns utils already isntalled but i never used it. also tried from system settings>netwrok settings, to change the ip manually but they ar enot editable even after clicking on administrator mode and entering password still uneditable from GUI
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> try this, 'dig @<IP_ADDRESS> www.twin-valley.net' and see how long it takes.
[04:06] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: you can edit resolv.conf with a text editor like 'sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf' and change the nameserver IP, but when your DHCP renews itself, or you reboot it will over-write it.
[04:07] <cvardar> dig command took 9 seconds.
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> yeah, that's too long. should be milliseconds, doesn't make much sense though.
[04:08] <cvardar> how can i assign a static ip to this machine?
[04:08] <cvardar> i can assign ip addresses to win xp computers here they work as theyy were workign with dhcp.
[04:08] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: well, I don't do much config stuff by GUI, being a server admin :) but you can edit /etc/network/interfaces, a manual is available 'man interfaces'
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> what brand of router is at <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:09] <cvardar> it would be my pleasure to override the GUI ;)
[04:09] <cvardar> it is a netopia adsl modem
[04:10] <LeeJunFan> It really makes no sense at all that it would resolv a host for windows faster than it would for linux unless there's something wrong with the router itself, any firmware updates available for it?
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: you have other windows machines running there now? try running 'ipconfig /all' from a cmd window and see what it lists for DNS servers.
[04:12] <cvardar> aha, here i have entered dns manually to this xp running pc
[04:13] <cvardar> but on my laptop also running xpo and conencted to the same router it has automatic settings and gateway,dhcp and the dns is <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: it sounds to me like the DNS servers either entered into your router, or the ones it gets from your provider has a dead one in the list and it's taking time to timeout on that dead one until it tries a working one.
[04:14] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: maybe check your router config, what DNS servers are listed there?
[04:15] <cvardar> i think you pointed an inportant point now, what i see from routers info page is: Primary DNS Server
[04:15] <cvardar>  <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:15] <cvardar> Unavailable
[04:15] <cvardar>  Secondary DNS Server
[04:15] <cvardar>  <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:15] <cvardar> rs01.vtx.ch
[04:15] <cvardar>
[04:16] <cvardar> so the first one seems unavailable
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: yup.
[04:16] <LeeJunFan> dig @<IP_ADDRESS> www.google.com
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> and watch it complain, then try the other and it works fine. I'd just make your secondary your primary and delete the primary for now, you don't need 2 to operate.
[04:19] <hussam> should I upgrade to kde 3.5 when it is out, or should I wait for dapper?
[04:20] <cvardar> <IP_ADDRESS> works at perfect speed, <IP_ADDRESS> is not working.
[04:20] <cvardar> :)
[04:20] <cvardar> i will do that thank you !!! but still there exist a question why does not this make a problem in xp and make sproblem in kubuntu ?
[04:21] <nalioth> hussam: beta software can sometimes be nasty
[04:22] <hussam> nalioth: then I probably should stick to kde 3.4.3 and wait for dapper to get 3.5
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> Only thing I can think is that windows has a very short timeout for dns resolution.
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> cvardar: so it's there, just not as noticable
[04:23] <nalioth> hussam: good idea
[04:23] <atidem> hello world
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> atidem: wrong window, this isn't your IDE :)
[04:23] <atidem> lol
[04:24] <atidem> ok I restart
[04:24] <atidem> hello people
[04:24] <atidem> is it better?
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> hi :)
[04:24] <_marcel> atidem: programmers start in irc :)
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> could be worse, I put my root password in this channel last week :)
[04:25] <atidem> I just installed kubuntu
[04:25] <atidem> nice distro
[04:25] <_marcel> atidem: congratulations
[04:25] <atidem> but after upgrade
[04:26] <atidem> no icons devices on storage media
[04:26] <hussam> LeeJunFan: may I please have that root password again. Your IP address may also help :)
[04:26] <hussam> LeeJunFan: just kidding
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> hussam: yeah, sure it's w!ngchun
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> :) of course it WAS.
[04:27] <atidem> what's the problem?
[04:27] <olivier> de que hablas??
[04:27] <atidem> I have searched in the net
[04:27] <atidem> but not finded a solution
[04:27] <hussam> atidem: that's intentional. media:\ will only show mounted removable media
[04:28] <acvardar> hey guys, bad news... my problem about slow page laoding still persists.
[04:28] <atidem> but in a clean install in media:\ icons are present
[04:28] <atidem> ?
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: no soup for you!
[04:28] <olivier> ??
[04:28] <nalioth> olivier: pardon?
[04:28] <olivier> english?
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: make sure your router actually saved the changes befor you rebooted.
[04:28] <angelusco> si oliver, este canal es en ingles =)
[04:29] <nalioth> olivier: quiero canal en espaol?
[04:29] <acvardar> ye sit has saved i suppose, i repbooted router and the linux pc.
[04:29] <hussam> atidem: yes, on a clean install. but an update was released after that to change the behaviour. It's a hal integration thing
[04:29] <angelusco> oliver si quieres en espaol puedes ir a #kubunto-es
[04:29] <acvardar> Primary DNS Server
[04:29] <acvardar>  <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:29] <acvardar> rs01.vtx.ch
[04:29] <acvardar>  Secondary DNS Server
[04:29] <acvardar>  <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:29] <acvardar> any.0.147.212.vtx.ch
[04:29] <acvardar>
[04:29] <olivier> gracias
[04:29] <nalioth> acvardar: dude, the pasting is killin us
[04:29] <atidem> and how can I show them on desktop? just create a link on them?
[04:29] <angelusco> de nada
[04:29] <acvardar> sorry, wont repat ;)
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: dig @<IP_ADDRESS> www.google.com
[04:31] <atidem> acvardar: check if ip6v is enabled
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: that one doesn't seem to be answering DNS queries, at least not for me.
[04:31] <atidem> probably it slows your machine conncection
[04:31] <atidem> *connection
[04:31] <bobesponja> angelusco: kubuntu-es is empty
[04:31] <olivier> en franais
[04:32] <acvardar> ok <IP_ADDRESS> is not working, but if that is the reason why does this machien always finds the unworking dns server ? :) atidem: how can i disable or how can i knwo if it is enabled?
[04:32] <bobesponja> olivier: kubuntu-fr
[04:33] <bobesponja> olivier: #kubuntu-fr
[04:33] <atidem> lsmod | grep ipv6
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: just for the sake of testing 'sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf' and change your nameserver to <IP_ADDRESS>. Then try.
[04:33] <olivier> merci
[04:33] <angelusco> bobesponja, nop there is some people
[04:33] <bobesponja> angelusco: ah yeah but you sent #kubunto-es :) look up
[04:33] <bobesponja> with an O
[04:33] <atidem> mmm, hibernate doesnt work on my inspiron 6000
[04:34] <angelusco> hahah lol, sorry
[04:34] <angelusco> my bad =)
[04:34] <atidem> echo -n disk > /sys/power/state
[04:34] <atidem> shutdown pc
[04:34] <bobesponja> angelusco: it looks like olivier is french anyway
[04:34] <atidem> but I can 't reverse process
[04:34] <olivier> yes i am
[04:34] <angelusco> bobesponja, ok ;)
[04:35] <atidem> is there someone whit same machine on channel?
[04:35] <LeeJunFan> atidem: so it's suspends but won't resume?
[04:35] <atidem> nope
[04:35] <angelusco> i luv this kubuntu rooms, nice peeps
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> atidem: you may need to add resume=/dev/hdaX to your boot params in /boot/grub/menu.lst - where X would be the partition # your swap is on.
[04:36] <atidem> Do I add it on kernel's line?
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> yeah
[04:37] <atidem> I try, thanks for advice
[04:37] <LeeJunFan> This is mine: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.14 root=/dev/hda5 resume=/dev/hda8 ro
[04:37] <acvardar> LeeJunFan: hwo to save and exit from this editor?
[04:38] <LeeJunFan> ctrl-x
[04:38] <bobesponja> does anyone know why arts from rc1 is not working? and if I still need to use beta1 package?
[04:39] <acvardar> haha :) nwo working in perfect order do i need to do this tricky thing on every bootup if one of the dnses is not working listed on the router?
[04:40] <atidem> LeeJunFan: the same option is used by suspend to ram?
[04:40] <LeeJunFan> atidem: no, suspend to ram does not use disk
[04:41] <atidem> ok
[04:41] <klaaner-libby> Hi :-) I'd like to use gtk(2)-engines-geramik, but after installing that package, it doesn't appear in the KDE control center in GTK styles and fonts. What must I do?
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: sorry - missed your post.
[04:47] <atidem> it doesnt work
[04:47] <atidem> :-(
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: well, after your DHCP lease expires your system will renew from the router and use <IP_ADDRESS> again.
[04:47] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: or you could edit /etc/network/interfaces and set a static IP instead of using dhcp and just have your resolv.conf setup to use the real DNS servers instead of your router anyway.
[04:48] <acvardar> can we say that it is a bug that has not been solved in this linux? because in windows we had no such issue when any of the dns servers fails to operate if othe rone operates system works.
[04:49] <Tm_T> ubotu: tell jeppe about repositories
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> acvardar: I honestly don't know how your router handles it, it may be a bug in the way your router is doing it that windows is more tolerant of because of it's loose implementation of standards.
[04:52] <acvardar> :)
[04:52] <atidem> acvardar: try ifdown ethZ, ifup ethZ
[04:53] <atidem> Z is the number of your net interface
[04:53] <brodel> does kubuntu not come with firefox?
[04:54] <atidem> you have to install it
[04:54] <atidem> use adept
[04:55] <brodel> I am thinking of switching to kubuntu from ubuntu
[04:55] <brodel> I downloaded the live CD and was surprised not to see it
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: i think it does come with it
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: dunno about the live cd tho
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: in any case, what's the problem if it doesn't come with it?
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: it's as easily installed as any other package
[04:55] <brodel> well I'm a newbie :\
[04:55] <LjL> brodel: aptitude install firefox
[04:56] <LjL> brodel: are you running from the live cd right now?
[04:56] <brodel> some stuff I haven't been able to get installed in ubuntu
[04:56] <brodel> no
[04:56] <nalioth> brodel: just install the "ubuntu-desktop" package, no need to d/l another iso image
[04:56] <brodel> I am running from my ubuntu laptop
[04:56] <nalioth> or kubuntu-desktop, woops
[04:56] <LjL> brodel: please do "aptitude install kubuntu-desktop", don't use apt-get
[04:56] <LjL> brodel: otherwise, it will be very hard to remove it if you even happen to want to remove it
[04:56] <LjL> even=ever
[04:56] <brodel> ljl, you mean in my ubuntu laptop?
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: yes. that will install kubuntu, even though it will also leave ubuntu's gnome desktop isntalled
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: you'll have to remove gnome manually later
[04:57] <LeeJunFan> hrm, my konversation froze.
[04:57] <brodel> well that's sweet
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: i can help you through that
[04:57] <brodel> Can I try both on the same laptop?
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: i think it will still be easier than reformatting and downloading the Kubuntu cd
[04:57] <brodel> go back and forth till I figure out which I want?
[04:57] <LjL> brodel: yeah, they aren't separate distributions
[04:58] <brodel> ha.. that's awesome.
[04:58] <LjL> brodel: kubuntu = kde, ubuntu = gnome
[04:58] <brodel> I google and all I find is idiots arguing over which is better.. I just want solid facts to help me decide.. got tired of looking
[04:58] <LjL> brodel: look, just try "aptitude install kubuntu-desktop", if you want my opinion. you can very easily roll back to the previous state later
[04:59] <brodel> ok. It's going
[04:59] <LjL> brodel: (namely, "aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop" will do the trick)
[05:00] <LjL> brodel: just keep in mind that what you'll see won't be exactly like what you'd see if you installed a fresh Kubuntu: namely, you'll still see all your Gnome (=Ubuntu) apps in the menus
[05:00] <LjL> brodel: that can look a bit confusing. still, all of Kubuntu will be there
[05:00] <Chippie83> I've got a stupid question, but how do I get the w32-codecs for Kubuntu breezy?
[05:00] <LjL> !w32codecs
[05:00] <ubotu> I guess w32codecs is for w32codecs in Breezy visit http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/breezy-seveas/breezy-extras/
[05:01] <Chippie83> thanks! that's what i needed :-)
[05:01] <LjL> Chippie83: you can just download it and "dpkg -i" it, without even adding the repository, if you prefer
[05:02] <brodel> LjL, does it ask me to pick what I want on boot or what?
[05:02] <LjL> brodel: there's nothing to chose at boot. you can choose when you login into X-Windows
[05:02] <nalioth> brodel: at the login, click "sessions"
[05:02] <brodel> ahh ok
[05:03] <brodel> I figured I wasl already in gnome when I got to the login
[05:03] <brodel> I have so much to learn :\
[05:03] <LjL> brodel: in a way, you are, because your login is managed by GDM (the Gnome Display Manager)
[05:03] <LjL> brodel: but you can still login into KDE from GDM
[05:03] <nalioth> brodel: when it asks you about kdm (it'll be a window) stick with gdm
[05:03] <LjL> brodel: or, you can set it to boot into KDM (the KDE Display Manager)
[05:03] <atidem> Chippie83: ftp.merim.net
[05:03] <Chippie83> ok
[05:04] <brodel> I had no idea you could put them both on here though. That's very cool
[05:04] <atidem> add to your source file
[05:04] <nalioth> atidem: please dont advise that
[05:04] <nalioth> atidem: debian binaries will break ubuntu
[05:04] <Chippie83> ok, that's no problem...have used ubuntu first, then I've used SUSE but now I'm back to Kubuntu
[05:05] <atidem> break ubuntu?
[05:05] <atidem> what it does mean?
[05:05] <nalioth> Chippie83: use official ubuntu repos, only please. debian binaries will break ubuntu
[05:05] <nalioth> atidem: ubuntu and debian are NOT binary compatible
[05:05] <slow-motion_> bbl
[05:05] <Chippie83> ok
[05:05] <atidem> hein?
[05:06] <atidem> I dont believe so
[05:06] <LjL> brodel: a word of warning: if you're like me, you'll be frustrated by the default KDE look and feel and working. keep in mind that KDE is, on average, way more configurable than Gnome, so you can change most of the way it works (i mean, you can change a lot of stuff in Gnome as well, just not as much IMHO)
[05:06] <nalioth> atidem: having that repo you advised in your sources.list will have bad consequences
[05:06] <atidem> kubuntu is derived by debian
[05:06] <brodel> well IMO KDE looked much better than gnome does on my current laptop.
[05:07] <LjL> atidem: still they're not binary compatible
[05:07] <atidem> it use the same package management
[05:07] <nalioth> atidem: k/ubuntu is based on debian source code., it is not binary compatible
[05:07] <atidem> first time I hear that
[05:08] <brodel> not that I'm in a rush, but how big is this package I'm downloading for KDE?
[05:09] <LjL> brodel: big
[05:09] <atidem> nalioth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[05:09] <brodel> hehe ok
[05:09] <LjL> brodel: some 300meg, if i recall correctly
[05:09] <brodel> damn
[05:09] <LjL> brodel: well what did you except, they come in separate cds after all :)
[05:09] <brodel> still smaller than downloading the kubuntu ISO
[05:09] <LjL> yep
[05:10] <brodel> Live CD was cool. Just takes too long to boot when I'm out to play with it.
[05:10] <LjL> atidem: that link says debian packages are 'not* compatible
[05:11] <atidem> I know
[05:11] <atidem> but read comment
[05:11] <LjL> brodel: and is a bit too limited to treally try out the power of the system
[05:12] <LjL> atidem: well, anyway, the packages from debian that i did try to install did not work. it's possibly true that the instructions contained in that comment will avoid breaking your system badly, but still
[05:13] <nalioth> atidem: do you know how many people see that page?
[05:14] <LjL> nalioth: the ones who can use google, i.e. probably 10 per country? :)
[05:15] <atidem> it's not my problem nalioth
[05:15] <LjL> atidem: go on and install debian packages, if you know what you're doing. still, you understand that it's not too good to advice it to people
[05:16] <tiepido> ciao
[05:16] <LjL> ciao
[05:16] <LjL> !it
[05:16] <ubotu> italiano es #ubuntu-it per favore, andiamo! Grazi ... prego! :-)
[05:16] <LjL> ah-em
[05:16] <tiepido> qualcuno parla italiano?
[05:16] <nalioth> atidem: yes, please advise folks to see the page you showed me, if they insist on debian repos
[05:17] <LjL> tiepido: qui si parla inglese, se no viene fuori un macello. su #ubuntu-it puoi parlare italiano
[05:17] <nalioth> atidem: there is no reason to have debian repos, anyway
[05:17] <atidem> I installed on my system multimedia package from that repo and it works
[05:18] <nalioth> atidem: did you use the pinning?
[05:19] <LjL> nalioth: don't be so drastic, there *are* some packages one (I) might want to install from debian reps :)
[05:19] <atidem> yes
[05:19] <atidem> I'm looking at /etc/inittab
[05:20] <nalioth> bah we are way off topic here
[05:20] <cvardar> sorry, mirc restarted abnormally, if anybody replied to my post about static hibernate image can he/she please resend?
[05:20] <LjL> atidem: well, for that particular package it makes no sense to install it from a debian rep, even if it worked for you. there is seveas' rep that has it, so let's just use that
[05:20] <brodel> ok, it's done downloading :)
[05:20] <nalioth> LjL: atidem: i advise folks to add deb-src lines and have apt-get build themselves packages that way
[05:20] <brodel> which do you think I should use as the default display manager/
[05:20] <brodel> and how hard is that to change later?
[05:21] <LjL> nalioth: yes, that's a good idea. even though for the package i'm thinking about, that didn't work
[05:21] <nalioth> LjL: really?
[05:21] <nalioth> brodel: gdm
[05:21] <LjL> brodel: i use KDM, but simply because i don't have (or want to have) Gnome installed
[05:21] <LjL> brodel: anyway, it's easy as a piece of cacke to change it
[05:21] <LjL> brodel: "dpkg-reconfigure gdm" or "dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[05:22] <brodel> god.. how do you guys remember all these commands
[05:22] <brodel> I'll use gdm for now I guess
[05:22] <LjL> nalioth: yeah. Qalculate. i ended up compiling from the author's original sources. but anyway, i've filed a backports request for it
[05:22] <nalioth> brodel: i've been doing this linux thing for 18 years
[05:22] <LjL> brodel: well, sometimes i simply *don't* remember them....
[05:22] <brodel> ohhh haha ok then
[05:22] <brodel> I have tried linux like 100 times
[05:22] <nalioth> no, bad math
[05:23] <LjL> brodel: anyway, "man" is your friend. try typing "man -k something", where "something" is a keyword you'd like to know about
[05:23] <brodel> Always ended up getting too frustrated and formatting it
[05:23] <nalioth> bah i'm no good at math
[05:23] <LjL> brodel: you should get some help from people. learning linux all alone ain't a good idea, for what i'm concerned
[05:23] <brodel> Only help I have is the net.
[05:23] <brodel> which is why I'm here hehe
[05:24] <LjL> yep, suppose so ;)
[05:24] <brodel> seems that package still has work to do.. I selected gdm and now it's off doin more
[05:25] <LjL> brodel: at a certain point during the install, it asks you to choose which display manager to use. but that doesn't mean the install has finished
[05:26] <brodel> If I decide to use KDE, you don't think I should reinstall with kubuntu? I am used to windows where a major change like that would cause it to die or slow considerably
[05:26] <brodel> oh.. it's done :)
[05:26] <nalioth> brodel: this is not windows
[05:26] <brodel> I know.
[05:27] <nalioth> brodel: the only similarities between linux and windows is the hardware
[05:27] <brodel> I'm just stuck in that mindset. It's what I've been doing for a long time.
[05:27] <nalioth> brodel: break the mindset
[05:27] <brodel> I'm tryin :)
[05:27] <nalioth> unlearn you must, unlearn
[05:28] <brodel> ok, so it's done installing.. should I just log out and click sessions and see KDE?
[05:28] <nalioth> brodel: please do
[05:28] <bhna> nalioth: and the depency-hell ;-)
[05:28] <LjL> nalioth: and the default looks of window managers and things like that, too
[05:28] <nalioth> brodel: the kde irc client is konversation iirc
[05:28] <brodel> brb then
[05:29] <LjL> nalioth: and also the "AARRGGHHG I HATE THIS THING" factor, at times
[05:30] <nalioth> hate what thing?
[05:30] <LjL> the computer, the OS
[05:30] <LjL> but don't listen to me, i was an AmigaOS user
[05:31] <cvardar> do i need to get any package son top of standard isntallation of kubuntu to listen to mp3 files?
[05:31] <LjL> !mp3
[05:31] <brodel> sweeet
[05:31] <brodel> :D
[05:32] <LjL> uh
[05:32] <nalioth> uh oh
[05:32] <LjL> brodel: works?
[05:32] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cvardar about mp3
[05:32] <brodel> seems to :)
[05:32] <LjL> nalioth: done already in a privmsg, don't worry
[05:32] <LjL> nalioth: ubotu did reply to my "!mp3", it just did it in a query to me
[05:33] <brodel> Can I resize desktop icons? I just moved the edges in gnome.. not sure how to do it in KDE
[05:33] <LjL> nalioth: now what does ubotu querying me have to do with the fattening of it? :o)
[05:33] <LjL> brodel: uh, not sure
[05:33] <LjL> brodel: yeah
[05:33] <nalioth> !mp3
[05:33] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is to enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:33] <strat50s> hi
[05:34] <LjL> brodel: settings / appearence and look / icons
[05:34] <LjL> !mp3
[05:34] <LjL> bof
[05:34] <LjL> still keeps replying in query
[05:34] <strat50s> excuse, I have installed kubuntu right now... any way to automatically get icons on the desktop?
[05:35] <strat50s> !icons
[05:35] <ubotu> If you have missing icons after upgrading to Breezy, change theme at System -> Preferences -> Theme
[05:35] <bhna> !java
[05:35] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:35] <LjL> oh no wait, he just complained to me that "someone already said that 20 seconds ago"
[05:35] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> does anybody here knows how i can set a variable in a shellscript to the value in a file + another var?
[05:35] <strat50s> !desktop
[05:35] <ubotu> strat50s: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:36] <strat50s> k sorry
[05:36] <strat50s> :p
[05:36] <nalioth> strat50s: dont !fish !please
[05:36] <strat50s> ok
[05:36] <brodel> roger that
[05:36] <brodel> so far so good
[05:37] <LjL> brodel: do you by any chance like macos-style menus that are on the top of the screen instead of stupidly inside the applications' windows? :)
[05:37] <brodel> not sure what you mean
[05:38] <LjL> brodel: "File", "Edit", "View" and so on... MacOS and other systems have them on top of the screen. they're more easily reachable with the mouse, and you save screen space, 'cause only one menu bar is shown
[05:38] <nalioth> LjL: how do you get those?
[05:39] <LjL> nalioth: right click on the desktop, "Configure desktop", and "MacOS-style". don't be fooled by the ugly appearence, the menubar is actually a panel, and you can add all applets and stuff to it
[05:39] <LjL> nalioth: only, the weird thing is that you can't have the menubar on the *main* panel. it's weird because you could in previous KDE versions, there was a "Menubar" applet (it's actually still there, but it's set as "hidden", and indeed it doesn't work correctly)
[05:40] <nalioth> LjL: and that'll take all the context menus up to the bar?
[05:40] <LjL> nalioth: no, not the context menus, those will still come up with a right click... the main application menus
[05:40] <LjL> nalioth: "File", "Edit", and all
[05:40] <brodel> maybe I'm just an idiot. I don't see the difference with menus nor do I see a Mac OS style in there :\
[05:41] <nalioth> cool
[05:41] <nalioth> brodel: dont worry about it
[05:41] <nalioth> brodel: it'll make you crazy if you aren't used to it
[05:41] <brodel> I have enough to get used to with all this stuff for now I guess.
[05:41] <LjL> brodel: sorry, i wasn't specific. you should go to the "behavior" tab, and you'll find it there
[05:41] <LjL> nalioth: nah, they're easy :)
[05:42] <brodel> ahh.. now I see it
[05:43] <brodel> that's weird
[05:43] <bhna> LjL wich applet do you mean?
[05:43] <LjL> brodel: one advantage of it is that you can be much less precise with the mouse, to hit your menus... you can just crank your mouse to the top of the screen
[05:43] <cvardar> anybody has an idea about static hibernate image?
[05:44] <LjL> bhna: right click on the panel; "Add to panel"; "Applet"; "Menubar". but you won't really find that applet, unless you edit a .desktop file somewhere, as it's been set to hidden
[05:44] <slow-motion> re
[05:44] <brodel> it seems like things can be smaller here
[05:45] <LjL> brodel: what do you mean?
[05:45] <brodel> with gnome everything looked bigger if that makes ANY sense
[05:45] <brodel> It always got on my nerves that all my windows had to be so big..
[05:45] <LjL> brodel: actually, no, not to me :) actually, one of the things i dislike of KDE's default look is that everything is way too big! ;)
[05:45] <bhna> LjL but there is no need for this applet. i have all the things in the main menubar
[05:45] <LjL> bhna: ?
[05:46] <bla|patrick> someone here using ati drivers?
[05:46] <LjL> bhna: i'm not sure i understand what you mean, but, yes, you can put applets and stuff on the menubar, but you must keep a "main panel" somewhere (i keep it very small and hidden in a corner)
[05:46] <brodel> ok, so how do I make it smaller? like I have gaim open.. the text is small enough.. but I want the window to be smaller and I can't drag it down any more.
[05:46] <bla|patrick> need help
[05:46] <nalioth> bla|patrick: no pasting in here, either
[05:47] <bla|patrick> nalioth, where should i paste it then?
[05:47] <LjL> bhna: and the "menubar panel" just doesn't integrate correctly with other KDE panels. it doesn't show up in the config, etc
[05:47] <bla|patrick> have lost my bookmarks
[05:47] <nalioth> !paste
[05:47] <ubotu> [paste]  please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[05:47] <LjL> bhna: the older behavior was just saner
[05:47] <bla|patrick> kk
[05:47] <bla|patrick> well... nalioth: why is the ati string not there?
[05:47] <bla|patrick> i dont get it
[05:47] <LjL> brodel: oh, you meant that... well, that's application specific, AFAIK you can't change that kind of behavior
[05:47] <bla|patrick> followed any tutorial i found until now
[05:47] <nalioth> bla|patrick: i dont know anything bout ati
[05:48] <brodel> ahh ok
[05:48] <bla|patrick> i guess its not a ati problem
[05:48] <bhna> LjL: the baghira package has such a applet.
[05:48] <bla|patrick> there must be something weired in the system!
[05:49] <LjL> bhna: tried it, but it doesn't work, at least not without tweaking. but anyway, baghira is an add-on, the applet should be in KDE, and it actually *used to* be in KDE... i hope it's just a temporary problem. perhaps it's even right back again in KDE 3.5
[05:49] <LjL> brodel: anything you'd like to configure and change and stuff?
[05:49] <brodel> Wouldn't know where to start.. I'm just toying around in the menus now
[05:50] <brodel> I do think I like this better than gnome though.
[05:50] <nalioth> brodel: xubuntu tomorrow, then?
[05:50] <LjL> brodel: i see... as i said, the menus will be a bit confusing, as you still have all the Gnome apps hanging around in them
[05:50] <LjL> oh, by the way, i ought to install KDE 3.5rc1
[05:50] <brodel> gnome seemed to be more popular so I just said hey I'll use that one.
[05:51] <brodel> nalioth: what's xubuntu?
[05:51] <PJeremy> how do i get the icons in the menubar to get bigger when i move the cursor over them, like in kanotix?
[05:51] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[05:51] <ubotu> [xubuntu]  Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[05:51] <LjL> brodel: i don't know if gnome is actually more popular... it certainly is with Ubuntu, since it comes with it and was Gnome-based originally, but...
[05:51] <LjL> brodel: it has to be said that many major distributions use Gnome by default
[05:51] <brodel> well my main concern since I am a major linux newbie is getting support for it when I get stuck.
[05:51] <brodel> so I went with what I thought I could get help easier on.
[05:52] <LjL> PJeremy: i'm afraid that behavior has been removed in the latest versions of KDE. i'm not sure if it can be turned back in...
[05:52] <bhna> LjL: the menuapplet.desktop is still there and not hidden?
[05:52] <LjL> brodel: that shouldn't be a concern, i think
[05:52] <LjL> bhna: you mean where? in 3.5?
[05:52] <nalioth> LjL: kubuntu or kde?
[05:52] <bhna> LjL: in kde 3.4.3
[05:52] <PJeremy> LjL: meh :( i enjoyed it when i reinstalled grub with a kanotix-cd yesterday
[05:52] <LjL> nalioth: what?
[05:52] <LjL> bhna: no, in 3.4.3 it's hidden and not working
[05:53] <bhna> LjL: /usr/share/apps/kicker/applets
[05:53] <nalioth> LjL: the fancy expanding icons on mouseover are not in kubuntu or kde?
[05:53] <bhna> LjL: what do you mean with hidden? i can see it.
[05:53] <PJeremy> LjL: do you know what that behaviour was called so i can ask in #kde ?
[05:53] <LjL> PJeremy: well, i read an article by a KDE developer somewhere who said he would remove the big-icons behaviour... but then maybe he's partially changed his mind, and that behavior can still be activated. dunno, look around
[05:53] <brodel> can I make the title bars smaller? Like here where it says "konversation"
[05:54] <LjL> bhna: look at the second line in that file, it says "Hidden=true"
[05:54] <LjL> brodel: yeah
[05:54] <LjL> brodel: settings / appearence and stuff / windows decorations
[05:55] <bhna> LjL ah! ok
[05:55] <LjL> nalioth: i think they're not in KDE anymore, not a Kubuntu specific thing.
[05:55] <LjL> PJeremy: no, i don't
[05:55] <bla|patrick> btw. why is everybody only giving botlinks that dont help in my case
[05:55] <LjL> PJeremy: but i suppose just describing it as "icons magnifying when the mouse hovers over them" would do it :)
[05:55] <bla|patrick> why does nobody listen even one time and give a clue or say that he has no idea
[05:55] <bla|patrick> this is annoying
[05:56] <bla|patrick> today i repeated my story again and again
[05:56] <PJeremy> LjL: hehe, i suppose so :)
[05:56] <bla|patrick> and everytime i got the same useless crap
[05:56] <bla|patrick> :/
[05:56] <LjL> bla|patrick: dunno about the others, but myself, i'm already typing *more* than as fast as i can
[05:56] <nalioth> bla|patrick: there are no ATI volunteers here atm
[05:56] <nalioth> bla|patrick: we are all volunteers
[05:57] <bla|patrick> nalioth, i know, but if i have nothing to add i will say that i have no idea
[05:57] <brodel> LjL: thanks. They should have a tinyER though :)
[05:57] <bla|patrick> i explained that links in forums didnt helped
[05:57] <LjL> brodel: ;-) anyway, you can change your windows decorations, i'm sure there are some that make the titlebar quite small
[05:57] <bla|patrick> nalioth, all i know until now is if i make the installercommand there should be an output of three debs
[05:58] <bla|patrick> but here it only creates a temporary folder and deletes the folder and files afterwards
[05:58] <LjL> bla|patrick: try "B II" for example. perhaps you won't like it, but it *is* small
[05:58] <bla|patrick> this seems not to be related to the ati drivers itself
[05:58] <bla|patrick> the aptget command seems to be inoperable as well...
[05:58] <bla|patrick> :/
[05:58] <bla|patrick> aptget --i URL worked for me in hoary
[05:59] <LjL> bla|patrick: oh, but wait, if you're using the default "Plastik" style, i'm afraid you can't change the title bar size from there... but you can change the titlebar *font*, and i think that will change the size as well
[05:59] <bla|patrick> apt-get
[05:59] <bla|patrick> LjL, ???
[05:59] <LjL> ah-ehm............ my last two sentences were to brodel, not bla|patrick. sorry
[05:59] <bla|patrick> ah :D
[05:59] <bla|patrick> this is confusing me x)
[05:59] <bhna> LjL: i have disable hidden. this applet had the same bohavior as the main menu on top!
[06:00] <nalioth> kkathman-zzzz: howdy and wakey wakey
[06:00] <LjL> bla|patrick: it's definitely confusing me too :)
[06:00] <brodel> I'm confused..
[06:00] <brodel> I changed to some others..
[06:00] <LjL> bhna: does it? it doesn't work for me... do you have to keep the "MacOS-style" option enabled, or not?
[06:00] <brodel> but now when I go back to KDE2 "tiny" is no longer there as an option..
[06:00] <bla|patrick> i dont understand WHY the compiler creates a tempfolder and deletes it afterwards
[06:00] <LjL> brodel: KDE2 isn't what you were using initially. "Plastik" is
[06:00] <nalioth> kkathman: bla|patrick needs some help
[06:01] <brodel> oh..
[06:01] <brodel> hehe there is is.. ::smacks himself::
[06:01] <LjL> brodel: not your fault i'm afraid, i recall it did say "KDE2" over here as well. a tiny bug, i suppose
[06:01] <bla|patrick> in any tutorial i read it was supposed to place 3 debs in the same folder where the installer is
[06:01] <kkathman> llhuh?
[06:01] <bla|patrick> i am a linux newby and anything i can do is reading tutorials to get knowledge
[06:02] <LjL> brodel: but the "tiny" thing in Plastik only changes the *border* of the windows anyway, not the titlebar size
[06:02] <bla|patrick> but what shall i do if my linux behaves totally different from that what is expected?
[06:02] <bhna> LjL: no you have to enable another panel and then the applet.
[06:02] <bla|patrick> *sigh*
[06:02] <LjL> brodel: you really should either try changing your *font* size for titlebars, or switching to another decoration
[06:02] <kkathman> mornin nalioth had to restart my DSL modem..power outage last night :(
[06:02] <LjL> bhna: you mean the applet still can't reside on the main panel?
[06:02] <kkathman> so whats the issue bla|patrick  ?
[06:03] <nalioth> nasty power outages
[06:03] <kkathman> yah
[06:03] <bla|patrick> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Installation_Guide
[06:03] <bla|patrick> method 2
[06:03] <bla|patrick> 1st removed the old driver
[06:03] <bla|patrick> 2nd installed the compiler
[06:03] <LjL> broderl: oh, also try this: "aptitude install kdeartwork", this should get all the available themes and stuff installed
[06:03] <kkathman> ok
[06:04] <LjL> brodel: you'll have some more to choose from
[06:04] <bla|patrick> made that sh command expecting get those three debs for installing the driver
[06:05] <bla|patrick> but all the terminal say is  that the compiler creates a tmp folder and after processing the installer it deletes it instantly
[06:05] <bla|patrick> no files
[06:05] <bla|patrick> nothing
[06:05] <brodel> bah. went to do terminal and forgot my keyboard shortcut was set in gnome
[06:05] <bla|patrick> i cant explain it better in english
[06:05] <bhna> LjL: you can enable this on the main panel to. then change the behavior. after this your main panel on top is emty and your menu is in the applet.
[06:05] <LjL> brodel: oh, and about terminals... try "aptitude install yakuake", then start it (you should find it in the "Utilities" menu), and then press F12. it's very handy
[06:05] <bla|patrick> i have absolutely no idea why this happens :/
[06:05] <kkathman> bla|patrick: so you were able to download everything ok right?
[06:06] <PJeremy> LjL: you were right about it being removed..
[06:06] <LjL> bhna: let me try it... 1) have "MacOS-style" disabled  2) create another panel   3)  add the applet to a panel   4) enable "MacOS-style"    is this correct?
[06:06] <bla|patrick> ya... downloaded the 8.19.10 thing for x86
[06:06] <bhna> LjL: yes
[06:07] <bla|patrick> and then i made a i was tolded n that
[06:07] <kkathman> bla|patrick:  In that method you got as far as the sudo sh ??
[06:07] <jmwagner> hoi
[06:07] <bla|patrick> i wonder why it uses gcc 3.4 although breezy was supposed to have gcc4
[06:07] <bla|patrick> jap...
[06:07] <bhna> LjL: you have ti change the second line to Hidden=false
[06:07] <bla|patrick> sudo sh *driver* --buildpkg breezy
[06:07] <nalioth> bla|patrick: the kernel was compiled using 3.4
[06:07] <bla|patrick> kk
[06:07] <kkathman> bla|patrick: that doesnt matter
[06:07] <bla|patrick> so thats not the reason
[06:08] <LjL> bhna: yes, of course
[06:08] <bla|patrick> gcc3.4 is part of defaul-setup
[06:08] <kkathman> ok... bla|patrick what happened when youdid the sudo sh ???  any errors?
[06:08] <LjL> bhna: it does seem to work, with those steps in the right order
[06:08] <LjL> bhna: i'll try logging out and back in to see if it stays
[06:08] <jmwagner> just set up kubuntu
[06:08] <jmwagner> <---
[06:09] <jmwagner> its kool
[06:09] <jmwagner> and real easy and good to install
[06:09] <brodel> I don't see yakuake in utilities
[06:09] <jmwagner> not that much useless progs as debian
[06:09] <jmwagner> but i need help
[06:09] <kkathman> brodel get it from the repos
[06:09] <bla|patrick> !paste
[06:09] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[06:10] <jmwagner> i havent set a admin-password during install - how could i know it now i want to install some packages?
[06:10] <brodel> I just installed it using aptitude
[06:10] <jmwagner> hm
[06:10] <LjL> bhna: still works
[06:10] <brodel> nm.. it's under system
[06:10] <LjL> bhna: i've also tried moving the menubar to another panel, and it works flawlessly
[06:10] <bla|patrick> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4419
[06:10] <kkathman> brodel do a:   whereis yakualke....its most likely in /usr/bin
[06:10] <bla|patrick> thats everything i get
[06:10] <jmwagner> how do i get to know my admin pw - i havent set one durning install
[06:11] <LjL> bhna: apparently, it all depends on the order you do things in when you first enable it
[06:11] <kkathman> brodel you'll need to create an icon on your desktop
[06:11] <brodel> whoa
[06:11] <LjL> what?
[06:11] <brodel> that's awesome
[06:11] <bhna> LjL: i think the applet is hidden because is working after changing to amcos behavior?
[06:11] <LjL> trying yakuake, brodel?
[06:11] <jmwagner> i dunno whats my admins password
[06:11] <brodel> yeah
[06:11] <jmwagner> how may i get to know?
[06:12] <kkathman> bla|patrick: that output is truncated
[06:12] <bla|patrick> and following the howto i expected to get these files: fglrx-control_8.19.10-1_i386.deb fglrx-kernel-source_8.19.10-1_i386.deb xorg-driver-fglrx_8.19.10-1_i386.deb
[06:12] <brodel> can I get that to just start when I boot up or login so I don't have to start it every time?
[06:12] <LjL> bhna: possibly. it's strange though, cause i remember that i tried a few combinations and i couldn't get it to work. i suppose i have probably tried all the combinations except the right one :-)
[06:12] <bla|patrick> kkathman, thats the whole output
[06:12] <bla|patrick> after that a new commandline starts
[06:12] <LjL> bhna: anyway, i suppose this definitely qualifies as a bug... but the KDE guys must know about it, if they disabled the applet. unless it's the Kubuntu team that disabled it
[06:13] <LjL> brodel: yes you can
[06:13] <kkathman> bla|patrick: baffles me then...cuz I would have though you should have gottent the 3 debs
[06:13] <LjL> brodel: by default, in KDE, when you login you find all the programs that you had loaded, loaded
[06:13] <kkathman> I dont see in that procedure where they come fromt
[06:13] <LjL> brodel: that's including yakuake. and that's the way i use to keep it loaded at startup, even though i suppose there might be some other way
[06:13] <bhna> LjL: i think its not diabled its hidden because the applet works auomaticaly when you change to macos menu
[06:13] <bla|patrick> the folder is empty execept a file called fglrx-installer_8.19.10-1_i386.changes
[06:14] <kkathman> as long as you were in the directory that you downloaded the driver, that should have been ok
[06:14] <LjL> bhna: ah, i see what you mean now... but that applet used to be NOT hidden, and it's a useful applet anyway!
[06:14] <bla|patrick> i was in the folder /home/patrick/ATI
[06:14] <bla|patrick> there is the installer
[06:14] <LjL> bhna: just selecting "MacOS-style" isn't quite the best thing to do it
[06:14] <bla|patrick> and there should be 3 debs now
[06:15] <brodel> so, if I shutdown right now, all of these apps will be open when I reboot?
[06:15] <LjL> bhna: for starters, the pseudo-panel that "MacOS-style" automatically creates is a very strange panel, that cannot be moved or configured...
[06:15] <LjL> brodel: yeah
[06:15] <bla|patrick> kkathman, no idea whats wrong here?
[06:15] <brodel> cool
[06:15] <kkathman> yah...as long as you were in the same directory as the one you downloaded the installer into
[06:15] <LjL> brodel: of course you can disable that behaviour if you prefer
[06:15] <bla|patrick> opera has downloaded it to that folder!
[06:16] <kkathman> if you installed the ati-driver-installer....  to /home/downloads  you need to run the sudo sh in that directory also
[06:16] <bla|patrick> then i used cd *folder* to get there in terminal
[06:16] <bhna> LjL: i could'nt see any difference
[06:16] <bla|patrick> kkathman, explain plz
[06:16] <bla|patrick> what have i to do?
[06:17] <bla|patrick> that folder has 777 as accessrights
[06:17] <kkathman> bla|patrick: ok when you clicked the ati file...it downloaded a file called ati-driver-installer.....  right?
[06:17] <LjL> bhna: oh well, just right-click on any panel, and "configure panel". in the "Settings for" combo-box, you'll see every panel you have open, *except* for the menu panel. that's not good!
[06:17] <bla|patrick> ya
[06:17] <kkathman> bla|patrick: ok, so lets say you downloaded that to /home/downloads
[06:17] <bla|patrick> ya
[06:18] <LjL> bhna: say, what if i want to have my menus on the *bottom* of the screen? not that i do, but, it should be doable. the panel containing your menus should be treated like every other panel
[06:18] <bla|patrick> folder has 777
[06:18] <bla|patrick> and the installer too
[06:18] <kkathman> bla|patrick: you have to navigate to /home/downloads and run that sudo sh command
[06:18] <LjL> bhna: hence, a "menubar" applet would be (is) the best solution, rather than the current unintuitive stuff
[06:18] <bla|patrick> i am
[06:18] <bla|patrick> sudu su
[06:18] <bla|patrick> then cd folder
[06:18] <bla|patrick> then i run the command
[06:18] <kkathman> sudo
[06:19] <bla|patrick> i run the command a root
[06:19] <bla|patrick> sh installer -- build package for ubuntu
[06:19] <bla|patrick> thats it
[06:19] <kkathman> is that what the method said to do?
[06:19] <LjL> brodel: try typing alt+space. you can start applications and stuff from there, you might find it nicer than the menu at times
[06:19] <C0r3Dump> is there any toshiba user here ?
[06:19] <bla|patrick> it doesnt work with sudo
[06:19] <bla|patrick> it doestn work as root
[06:19] <C0r3Dump> I have problems with irDa
[06:19] <bla|patrick> kkathman, where is the difference
[06:20] <LjL> brodel: just type (a part of) the name of the thing you want started
[06:20] <bla|patrick> making it as root without sudo should be the same as making it with sudo
[06:20] <bla|patrick> tried both
[06:20] <kkathman> bla|patrick: ownership....I NEVER assume root in the system
[06:20] <bla|patrick> say what i shall
[06:20] <bla|patrick> file is in home patrick ATI
[06:20] <kkathman> bla|patrick: course I dunno, ATI is very linux unfriendly, so their installer may be messed up too
[06:20] <bla|patrick> crap :(
[06:21] <bla|patrick> well... what can i do now?
[06:21] <kkathman> if you followed the steps, chances are, the card is imcompatible or the driver is mal-formed
[06:21] <kkathman> prolly the latter
[06:22] <kkathman> I think I would certainly contact ATI customer support but they wont be very helpful from what I hear...cuz everyone there is windows
[06:22] <kkathman> but you could insist on talking to a level 3 linux technician
[06:23] <bla|patrick> what?
[06:23] <bla|patrick> didnt understand anything from ur last sentence
[06:23] <kkathman> bla|patrick: you will notice, tho, that the wiki page you are on says it is the "Unofficial" wiki
[06:23] <bla|patrick> ati support isnt helpful as windows either
[06:23] <fenix> how to set transparence on yakuake?
[06:23] <bla|patrick> coze the officials are terrebly outdated
[06:24] <kkathman> how old is the card?
[06:24] <bla|patrick> its a radeon 9800pro
[06:24] <bla|patrick> so the drivers will support it
[06:24] <bla|patrick> in hoary they worked fine
[06:24] <bla|patrick> but i upgraded from hoary to breezy
[06:24] <kkathman> actually Im not sure why they shouldnt have just migrated
[06:24] <bla|patrick> and the result of that were dozens of little bugs
[06:25] <bla|patrick> it ended up that i decided to make a clean install
[06:25] <bla|patrick> now i wasted 12 hours for that ati crap
[06:25] <kkathman> unless there is some dependency that didnt get updated yet...but I have no idea about that
[06:25] <bla|patrick> kkathman, its a fresh install... repo cd
[06:25] <bla|patrick> even!
[06:25] <kkathman> You could buy an nVidia card and eliminate the problem
[06:25] <bla|patrick> then updated from internet
[06:25] <bla|patrick> kkathman, give me the money
[06:26] <bla|patrick> i should shoot everybody who give me that advise
[06:26] <bla|patrick> a 6800 for agp costs still 333 at least
[06:26] <bla|patrick> an i dont even have 60 actually
[06:26] <bla|patrick> O_o
[06:26] <kkathman> if you had come here, everyone would have told you nVidia, but im sorry thats no solace for you....the Radeon is a great card in Windows tho
[06:27] <bla|patrick> kkathman, i had the radeon before i started linux
[06:27] <bla|patrick> the radeon is about 3 years old
[06:27] <kkathman> I gotta jet to a band contest...bbk
[06:27] <bla|patrick> i try linux for 3 month now
[06:27] <bla|patrick> never expected that it would be this troublesome
[06:27] <bla|patrick> oh he left
[06:27] <bla|patrick> crap
[06:27] <bla|patrick> well...
[06:27] <bla|patrick> then i give up
[06:28] <LjL> drivers for hardware *can* be troublesome in linux unfortunately
[06:28] <bla|patrick> LjL, ja, but this extreme?
[06:28] <nalioth> especially ATI
[06:28] <LjL> bla|patrick: well, i'm currently running in VESA mode 'cause that's about the only possibility with my card, you go figure
[06:28] <bla|patrick> nalioth, today they are a lot better than the first time i tried linux with my ati in 2004
[06:28] <bla|patrick> and if u buy a notebook u dont have much choise
[06:29] <bla|patrick> if u want 3d power and a longrund notebook u only can choose ati
[06:29] <nalioth> LjL: i've run vesa quite a bit
[06:29] <bla|patrick> nvidia sucks there
[06:29] <bla|patrick> still!
[06:30] <LjL> by the way, there's an ATI Radeon Something (i'm not into video cards at all, but i can look it up) for 30... do you think i could find an nVidia, or something very linux-friendly anyway, for a similar price?
[06:31] <nalioth> LjL: you can
[06:31] <LjL> mind you, i'm *very* clueless when it comes to graphics cards :)
[06:31] <brodel> How would Kubuntu run on a 600Mhz PC with 192MB of RAM
[06:31] <nalioth> LjL: nvidia is now selling entry level cards for next to nothing
[06:31] <bla|patrick> but theyre not worth to be called 3d card
[06:31] <bla|patrick> theyre damned slow
[06:31] <bla|patrick> and i will play with my computer
[06:32] <LjL> i don't care, i want to spend as little as possible... i'm not into 3d gaming, i'd just like to have some decent 3d once in a while
[06:32] <bla|patrick> if i put that damned slow card into my pc it would be insane
[06:32] <bla|patrick> to think of GAMING
[06:32] <LjL> my old Hercules card would even be good enough, if it weren't for drivers (both windows and linux, btw)
[06:33] <bla|patrick> i am waiting for nv6800 with 2 dvi under 200
[06:33] <bla|patrick> but there wont be some with agp i guess
[06:33] <bla|patrick> below 200?
[06:33] <bla|patrick> how is it spelled in EN, if the price should be below 200
[06:33] <bla|patrick> whatever
[06:33] <LjL> under, below
[06:34] <bla|patrick> kk
[06:34] <LjL> i think both are ok
[06:34] <LjL> i'm not a native speaker tho
[06:34] <bla|patrick> kk
[06:34] <LjL> do you know anything about some brand called "Club 3D"? there are some on a store's site here, they seem to sell both nVidia and ATI chipsets, if that makes sense
[06:35] <bla|patrick> ya... thats not the point
[06:35] <bla|patrick> all of them buys chips or even complete cards from ati or nv
[06:35] <bla|patrick> they simply put on that a cooler
[06:35] <bla|patrick> and thats it
[06:35] <LjL> suppose so... but the point is, would it make any difference with respect to linux drivers?
[06:36] <bla|patrick> 2dvi, 1dvi/1vga or even vivo
[06:36] <bla|patrick> everything is depended on standardlayouts
[06:36] <bla|patrick> ljl, today i would buy a nvidia
[06:36] <bla|patrick> but in 2003 i bought a ati because nvidia sucked with their fx series
[06:37] <bla|patrick> today i have not even a sparetime job anymore
[06:37] <bla|patrick> dont even find one
[06:37] <LjL> bla|patrick: yeah but if i buy an nVidia from this "Club 3D" or some other sub-brand, it won't make any difference to my linux drivers, would it?
[06:37] <bla|patrick> wont...
[06:37] <bla|patrick> all of them are from nvidia
[06:37] <LjL> that's good
[06:37] <bla|patrick> if u buy a notebook chipset with nv u will need drivers from the notebook manufacture
[06:38] <bla|patrick> ati started to support those as well...
[06:38] <LjL> will i? doh... anyway, i'm not with a laptop
[06:38] <bla|patrick> nv still has not decided this
[06:39] <nalioth> LjL: tomshardware.com
[06:39] <bla|patrick> LjL, ja ok
[06:39] <bla|patrick> if i had money today, i would buy that shullte xpc witch pentium m
[06:39] <bla|patrick> pcie + pentium m
[06:39] <bla|patrick> silent and fast x)
[06:39] <bla|patrick> ah... anyway...
[06:39] <bla|patrick> have to leave now.
[06:39] <bla|patrick> i'll try to make a 2nd reinstall of breezy
[06:40] <LjL> =|
[06:40] <bla|patrick> i hope it worx then as it is supposed to do
[06:40] <LjL> cya
[06:40] <LjL> well good luck =)
[06:40] <bla|patrick> ljl... bye
[06:40] <bla|patrick> :)
[06:40] <_StarScream> hi guys, anyone here with an ibook ?
[06:42] <nalioth> _StarScream: um yes
[06:42] <_StarScream> nalioth: running kubuntu ?
[06:42] <nalioth> _StarScream: sometimes
[06:42] <_StarScream> nalioth: ok, is sleep working correctly for you ?
[06:43] <nalioth> nope
[06:43] <nalioth> i've not found sleep suspend to work at all on any ubuntu version i've had on my 'books
[06:43] <_StarScream> nalioth: hmm me either...there was a release of breezy for which it was.
[06:43] <_StarScream> pre-beta
[06:43] <_StarScream> it worked perfectly
[06:44] <_StarScream> the rest of breezy didn't, but that did
[06:44] <_StarScream> and now its broken again
[06:44] <nalioth> dont know why, the hardware on the ibooks is well documented
[06:44] <LjL> sleep and hibernation don't even work decently on my AMD desktop computer
[06:45] <_StarScream> nalioth: i think its something to do with the ati chipset...but anyway, i don't see how they can un-fix it once its been fixed
[06:47] <LjL> then you haven't seen enough software :)
[06:47] <brodel> ljl, that MacOSX style menubar you were telling me about. Does that only work for certain applications? It works for konversation, but Gaim still has it's menus
[06:47] <LjL> brodel: yeah, unfortunately it only works for KDE applications. that's one of the reasons why i'm trying to *only* use KDE applications
[06:47] <_StarScream> brodel: probably KDE apps only, since they would have dcop entries
[06:47] <brodel> ahh ok
[06:47] <brodel> figured it was somethin like that.
[06:48] <LjL> brodel: another reason is to not have Gnome *AND* KDE libraries loaded all the time, and another reason yet is to have an interface that's decently consistent and integrated...
[06:48] <LjL> brodel: tried Kopete (should have it installed) instead of Gaim?
[06:48] <_StarScream> also bugs me that non kde app systray icons aren't fully transparent
[06:48] <brodel> Yeah, I tried it. I've been using Gaim too long though.
[06:48] <LjL> brodel: i see
[06:49] <_StarScream> hmm lots of people prefer gaim.... i don't see much difference my self, except for the integration you get with contact / kopete
[06:49] <_StarScream> kontact*
[06:49] <LjL> i really cannot say, i haven't been using instant messenging stuff for a long while
[06:50] <LjL> brodel: do your GTK/Gnome applications at least show the same look (buttons, etc) as KDE applications? they're supposed to, in theory, though in my experience that doesn't always work
[06:52] <brodel> The only other apps I have open right now are gaim and remote desktop to my windows box
[06:52] <_StarScream> there are still a few GTK apps that have no KDE equiv unfortunately
[06:53] <LjL> brodel: well does Gaim show KDE-like buttons?
[06:53] <LjL> _StarScream: the opposite is true, as well, though... anyway, what apps are you thinking about? sometimes one just misses some weirdly-names package, at least i do
[06:54] <_StarScream> LjL: just things like GIMP (although in a year or so krita will have sort of replaced that), and generally java apps which have GTK bindings tend not to have KDE/QT ones
[06:55] <LjL> yeah, gimp is a biggie, but i think krita is coming up real well
[06:55] <LjL> and it even already has big features that aren't in gimp, like 16-bit support
[06:56] <LjL> about java apps, dunno really... but at least, those don't need gnome libraries (i suppose), just the GTK libs
[06:56] <LjL> and the gtk-qt-engine is doing a decent job of making them look like QT apps now, at least
[06:57] <brodel> LjL: http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9918/snapshot14mt.png
[06:58] <LjL> brodel: hmm, it's not showing the right look
[06:58] <LjL> brodel: try settings / appearence and gimmicks / GTK styles and fonts
[06:59] <gochoo> Hi all
[06:59] <brodel> says use my KDE style.
[06:59] <LjL> brodel: try to mess a little with that, and hopefully you'll be able to make it understand it should use the GTK-QT wrapper, if it hasn't decided to be too stubborn this time
[06:59] <LjL> brodel: well, try to select some other style, say "OK", then open it again, and reselect "KDE style".... or things like that
[07:00] <LjL> brodel: i've been swearing for a little while, but in the end i've managed to make it work
[07:00] <brodel> I'll toy with it a bit later
[07:00] <gochoo> I'm having problem with my network connection, is there anyone who can help me?
[07:01] <brodel> I actually need to get out of here.. already running late. Too much to learn :D
[07:01] <LjL> brodel: ok, see you
[07:01] <brodel> Thanks for all your help. I'm sure I'll probably be back here soon enough.
[07:02] <gochoo> I just installed Kubuntu on my laptop(Dell inspiron 5100)
[07:03] <brodel> told ya I'd be back haha
[07:03] <brodel> How do I shutdown?! Before I just hit logout and selected shutdown
[07:03] <brodel> Now it just says end session
[07:04] <nalioth> brodel: kde's shutdown is a 2 step process
[07:04] <nalioth> brodel: end the session and you'll see
[07:04] <N1omi> hmm, mine has always just said end session. i end it and shut down from there, but i don't shut down often
[07:04] <brodel> roger that. Thanks again
[07:05] <LjL> uh...
[07:05] <LjL> i do log off, then "shut down computer"
[07:05] <LjL> sorry, that's "turn off computer", but anyway
[07:06] <LjL> oh by the way, is there a way to change or remove the picture in the end session dialog?
[07:07] <gochooo> Hi All,
[07:07] <gochooo> having problem with kubuntu on dell inspiron 5100, ethernet card is automatilly disabled, and after i enable it from gui, after 2 secoonds it becomes disabled again , what may be the reason ?
[07:08] <gochooo> by the way, the card is a Broadcom 440x 10/100
[07:10] <dyngnosis> hmmm... stil not too sure about Kubuntu
[07:11] <volker> hi. i cant install w32codecs.
[07:11] <dyngnosis> im kind of missing ubuntu :)
[07:11] <dyngnosis> volker: just install VLC :)
[07:11] <LeeJunFan> gochooo: run 'dmesg' and see if there's any clues there about your card.
[07:11] <volker> it tells me it cant authenticate the package
[07:13] <LjL> when does it tell it so?
[07:13] <nalioth> volker: did you direct download the pkg?
[07:13] <LjL> after aptitude update or when actaully installing?
[07:13] <volker> nalioth: no
[07:13] <nalioth> volker: or did you add something to your sources.list?
[07:13] <volker> yes ive added something to my source.list
[07:14] <michael> I've?
[07:14] <michael> Mkay..
[07:14] <nalioth> volker: may i ask which line you added?
[07:14] <LjL> volker: if aptitude update is telling you about a GPG error, you may usually just ignore it
[07:14] <nalioth> LjL: that's not the problem here
[07:15] <LjL> well i dunno what actually is meant by "cannot authenticate the package", honestly
[07:15] <volker> nalioth: LjL :heres my source.list http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426785
[07:16] <volker> nalioth: any ideas?
[07:17] <nalioth> volker: the two bottom lines are unnecesary. mirrormax is gone forever and youve duplicated backports lines with one above
[07:17] <nalioth> volker: and no repos are necessary for w32codecs
[07:17] <nalioth> ubotu: tell volker about w32codecs
[07:17] <volker> hmm can u edit end paste what u mean?
[07:19] <nalioth> volker: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426792
[07:20] <volker> nalioth: THANKS
[07:20] <nalioth> volker: bitte
[07:22] <volker> nalioth: do u know about the antesis repos?
[07:22] <nalioth> volker: ich weiss nicht
[07:22] <volker> nalioth: kannst du deutsch?;)
[07:23] <nalioth> volker: ich habe ein bischen deutsch
[07:23] <volker> nalioth: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[07:23] <volker> nalioth: ok now i know. the server is down :(
[07:24] <nalioth> ping tells all
[07:25] <volker> look into the wiki. they say that the repo is down for 1-2 days
[07:27] <N1omi> oh, the repos are down? that explains things
[07:28] <tarheelcoxn> bah. who needs updates?
[07:28] <tarheelcoxn> :P
[07:28] <volker> N1omi: what?
[07:29] <hussam> is there a KDE/QT3 network configuration tool? the one in kcontrol or system settings in breezy is pretty broken even worse than it was in hoary.
[07:30] <nalioth> volker: i'd be wary of the repo and only enable it for specific packages
[07:31] <nalioth> N1omi: no. only some specialized high risk repos volker is interested in
[07:32] <N1omi> nalioth: oh. i guess my sources.list is still borked. XD what kind of specialised high risk repositories? :D
[07:33] <nalioth> N1omi: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf
[07:35] <LjL> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list  --  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1 breezy main  -- apt update; apt dist-upgrade
[07:35] <LjL> wish me luck ;P
[07:36] <LjL> hey, it's going to take 12 more megabytes
[07:36] <LjL> sucks!
[07:36] <volker> lol
[07:37] <murray_> anyone any idea about turning fans on & off via acpi ?
[07:38] <murray_> got a laptop running kubuntu 5.10, can't figure out how to control the fan...
[07:38] <N1omi> woa, litigious in wikipedia gives a result for litigious bastards which redirects to google bombs. o_o
[07:39] <LjL> murray_: dunno, but have a look at /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh and /etc/acpi/resume.sh
[07:39] <LjL> i recall they contain some lines that are supposed to turn fans on or off
[07:40] <murray_> looked in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/... won't let me write/update/cat any of the files it has
[07:45] <LjL> KDE 3.5rc1: at first attempt, aptitude install bailed out with dependencies errors. at second attempt, it is now installing some more stuff, and i think it is going to work
[07:46] <murray_> re fans: all i see in /etc/acpi is "rmmod fan" and "modprobe fan"
[07:50] <v-dogg> yet another windows migration question: can I get Konqueror to look like windows explorer (with tree/folder view on the left and mapped network drives there too)?
[07:50] <Riddell> v-dogg: F9 for sidebar, remote:/ for network drives
[07:54] <Kao|Sleep> v-dogg: it doesnt stay tho...
[07:55] <v-dogg> hmm...
[07:56] <v-dogg> well.. I just have to get used to this then
[07:56] <gochooo> could not make the ethernet card work on kubuntu, and decided to install kubuntu on another machien , this time i am having problem at the very first step of installation. I boot from the Kubuntu 5.10 CD then when it asks type of installation i hit ENTER, then the next windo that asks for lkanguage and other things appear in a weird format where lines of the screen has toggled and it is not possible to read what is written on the screen. any ide
[07:57] <v-dogg> is there any other "explorer" than Konqueror?
[07:57] <buz> mhh
[07:57] <buz> kommander?
[07:57] <nalioth> v-dogg: plenty of them. endeavour, xfm, emelfm2 and many others
[07:57] <buz> personally i consider konqui to be the best filemanager ever
[07:57] <N1omi> i'll agree
[07:58] <buz> (and OSX finder is likely the worst)
[07:58] <nalioth> v-dogg: you also have nautilus and xffm
[07:58] <N1omi> i use it in gnome also.
[07:58] <nalioth> v-dogg: but there are far more then the ones that have been mentioned
[07:58] <murray_> is there a way to make mplayer actually scale video to fullscreen, rather than giving me a large black box over the whole screen, and a tiny regular sized video in the middle?
[08:02] <_luis> necesito ayuda!
[08:03] <v-dogg> does nautilus work with kde?
[08:03] <_luis> he intalado kubuntu y al intentar instalar algo en la consola siempre me aparece un msj de error q dice q no encuentra el comando CC:
[08:03] <buz> v-dogg: it dows
[08:03] <buz> does
[08:03] <buz> if you have the gnome libs installed that is
[08:04] <_luis> I have KDE
[08:04] <_luis> and when i install anything with konsole
[08:05] <_luis> apear error ---> cc: command not found
[08:05] <v-dogg> cc is a c compiler
[08:05] <buz> try
[08:05] <buz> sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[08:06] <v-dogg> _luis: you're trying to compile something yourself?
[08:06] <buz> there must be something wrong about the way the kernel module is built
[08:06] <buz> after loading it, weird stuff happens
[08:06] <buz> (sudo just hangs, for one)
[08:06] <ttrocal> Hello, I've just installed Kubuntu Breezy and am having a few problems.  First of all, about a dozen packages (all from main/universe/multiverse) failed to configure when I updated/upgraded.  Shall I post the exact dpkg output to pastebin?
[08:07] <libertyaikido> Test.
[08:07] <buz> ttrocal: did you upgrade from hoary?
[08:07] <luciano> hellow, download encode mp3 for grip ?
[08:07] <_luis> I try to install binutils
[08:07] <ttrocal> buz: No, installed from a Breezy CD.
[08:07] <buz> binutils is already installed by default?!?
[08:07] <manveru> luciano: you want to encode wavs?
[08:08] <buz> ttrocal: and now you tried to upgrade to the latest packages?
[08:08] <ttrocal> buz: Yes, and added a few that I wanted such as ubuntu-desktop.
[08:08] <_luis> how? I'm nobbie
[08:08] <v-dogg> _luis: why don't you install it using apt (and have you checked it isn't installed already)?
[08:08] <buz> i suggest to try running apt-get upgrade a few more times
[08:08] <buz> usually that clears the errors for me
[08:09] <murray_> ahh, mplayer -zoom makes it fullscreen properly :)
[08:09] <ttrocal> buz: I' had already updated and upgraded a few more times, but I just gave it another try to no avail.
[08:09] <_luis> o upgrades
[08:09] <buz> will we see some xorg 6.9 or 7.0 packages in december? or is that dapper only?
[08:09] <luciano> manveru: encode CDA -> MP3
[08:10] <buz> ttrocal: best to put the error to paste bin then
[08:10] <Riddell> buz: only dapper gets new packages
[08:10] <buz> too bad ;)
[08:10] <ttrocal> buz: Alright, just posted as 'ttrocal'
[08:11] <buz> can't you provide the url???
[08:11] <manveru> luciano: you can do this very easy, just open your cd in konqueror and drag the mp3-files in the folder mp3 to a folder on your harddisk
[08:11] <buz> after getting burnt with early breezy, i don't necessarily want to use dapper this early ;)
[08:11] <ttrocal> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/426876
[08:11] <_luis> please I'm spanish any spaniard?
[08:11] <_luis> to help me
[08:11] <nalioth> !es
[08:11] <manveru> luciano: but you have to make sure you have some things installed to do this, please check following:
[08:11] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:11] <manveru> ubotu: tell luciano about mp3
[08:11] <_luis> thanks
[08:11] <{{corona}}> hi i have a couple of error messages popping up on boot after which i end up at busybox ash prompt. i have the error msgs anyone help???
[08:12] <manveru> {{corona}}: please paste the to http://rafb.net/paste
[08:12] <{{corona}}> ok
[08:12] <buz> ttrocal: did you try "Please run defoma-reconfigure -f to fix its broken status." like it suggests?
[08:12] <manveru> e/the/them
[08:13] <manveru> oh man, i hate mp3s... the playback of them is completly distorted with arts...
[08:13] <ttrocal> buz: I saw that, not exactly sure what command to run.  Should it be 'dpkg defoma-reconfigure -f'?
[08:13] <ttrocal> Because that doesn't seem right
[08:14] <{{corona}}> hi i have pasted, it's taken me to a page please see this http://rafb.net/paste/results/cjo3Oh54.html
[08:14] <Pupeno> What program do you recommend to rip a DVD to have the video as a file ? possibly transcodding it to make it smaller.
[08:14] <buz> ttrocal: try sudo defoma-reconfigure -f
[08:15] <buz> not sure why it got broken in the first place though
[08:17] <ttrocal> buz: Ah, that worked, I feel stupid.  Anyway, that returned an error: '/usr/bin/defoma-reconfigure: line 50: 10341 Segmentation fault  defoma-app update $APP
[08:17] <ttrocal> /usr/bin/defoma-reconfigure: `defoma-app update x-ttcidfont-conf' failed (0).
[08:17] <ttrocal> '
[08:17] <buz> could it be that your hardware is broken?
[08:17] <luciano> ubotu: Thanks
[08:17] <ubotu> luciano: gern geschehen
[08:17] <{{corona}}> manveru: did you get the paste?
[08:17] <ttrocal> buz: Um, I suppose.  What hardware problem would cause this type of problem, though?
[08:17] <luciano> manveru: thanks
[08:17] <buz> segfaults are often caused by bad ram i believe
[08:17] <buz> also bad power supplies can cause a lot of trouble
[08:18] <buz> have you ever noticed other oddities with that machine?
[08:18] <ttrocal> Are they?  Because I've been having a LOT of segfaulting problems on this computer, I didn't realize it might be a RAM issue.
[08:18] <ttrocal> The RAM in this computer is new, too, so that might make sense.
[08:19] <buz> i'd try running memtest for say a whole night or so
[08:19] <jatos> btw, anyone here think that adept sucks big time?
[08:19] <buz> jatos: i happen to love it
[08:19] <ttrocal> I just tried defo-reconfigure again and it didn't segfault.  I tried dpkg --configure -a again and now only about four packages return errors.
[08:19] <ttrocal> Memtest, eh?  Let me look into that.
[08:19] <jatos> to me its just eye candy nothing else
[08:19] <buz> you're likely not the target audience then ;)
[08:20] <jatos> whos the target audience?
[08:22] <{{corona}}> hi can someone help with a boot up problem?
[08:23] <mornfall> jatos: care to elaborate?
[08:24] <manveru> {{corona}}: i fear that you have done something really evil
[08:24] <{{corona}}> like?? oh no
[08:24] <manveru> {{corona}}: base on the error-message i guess that your /sbin/init is missing
[08:25] <manveru> {{corona}}: wich means that your system has been severe damaged
[08:25] <{{corona}}> it was a "regular" crash thats been happening for some time now
[08:25] <{{corona}}> kde
[08:25] <manveru> {{corona}}: there are no "regular" crashes in linux...
[08:25] <manveru> except kopete...
[08:26] <nalioth> manveru: and konqueror
[08:26] <manveru> really?
[08:26] <{{corona}}> i meant kde had been giving trouble a lot of kgreet crashes
[08:26] <manveru> well, however, when KDE crashes it has some reason
[08:27] <manveru> i am not sure what you or KDE did exactly - but i don't think you can boot your system anymore
[08:27] <{{corona}}> ok that sucks
[08:27] <manveru> indeed
[08:27] <{{corona}}> i just about installed it
[08:27] <mornfall> jatos: hmm?
[08:27] <manveru> was it a fresh install?
[08:28] <{{corona}}> ya this is my first ubuntu install
[08:28] <{{corona}}> it was fresh in that sense
[08:28] <manveru> do you have previous linux-experience?
[08:28] <{{corona}}> about a week ago
[08:28] <{{corona}}> ya a bit on suse 9.1
[08:29] <{{corona}}> but this just is out of the blue
[08:29] <manveru> ok, well i think there are very many reasons why this happened
[08:29] <mornfall> jatos: dude, at least give some reason why it sucks, huh?
[08:29] <{{corona}}> just before the reboot i had installed numlockx
[08:30] <manveru> {{corona}}: the kicker-applet?
[08:30] <{{corona}}> no it switches on the num lock on boot up
[08:30] <manveru> {{corona}}: you know that there is a kicker-applet that does the same (and displays the status in a nice way)?
[08:30] <{{corona}}> had to edit the kde start script and add the path to this prog there
[08:31] <{{corona}}> no i don't...
[08:31] <{{corona}}> kicker?
[08:31] <manveru> however, if there is something crucial for your existence on the current system?
[08:32] <manveru> the name of the applet is keybled
[08:32] <{{corona}}> anyway so i think i killed it...no not really i have windows primary and was trying to figure out linux migration
[08:32] <{{corona}}> ok
[08:32] <{{corona}}> keybled does the same-- num lock on?
[08:32] <manveru> i suggest you do a clean install, as i'm not sure you can easily repair the system
[08:33] <manveru> if you want it turns numlock on
[08:33] <manveru> and displays status of capslock
[08:33] <{{corona}}> ok so i format ext partition
[08:33] <{{corona}}> and all that
[08:33] <manveru> no, not format - just install
[08:34] <{{corona}}> over root?
[08:34] <manveru> yeah
[08:34] <{{corona}}> what happens to all the installed stuff
[08:34] <{{corona}}> under /home
[08:34] <manveru> did you make a seperate partition for home?
[08:34] <oracel> dapper drake - does it use kde 3.5?
[08:34] <{{corona}}> yes
[08:34] <manveru> so your stuff in home is save
[08:35] <{{corona}}> ok but wont those progs stop working like wine is under home
[08:35] <manveru> oracel: i think so - at least it is planned
[08:35] <manveru> you have to reinstall wine, but your config-files stay the same
[08:35] <manveru> that means every personal config you had
[08:36] <{{corona}}> ok so i have to reinstall most of the stuff
[08:36] <manveru> even kde will look the same :)
[08:36] <oracel> on breezy, if I upgrade from 3.4.3 to 3.5, can I expect problems?
[08:36] <{{corona}}> something for the loss :)
[08:36] <nalioth> oracel: yes
[08:36] <manveru> oracel: yeah
[08:36] <buz> oracel: it seems like rc1 works quite well now
[08:36] <buz> but you SHOULD expect  trouble
[08:36] <manveru> oracel: especially with sound i was told
[08:36] <buz> beta2 had all sorts of issues with arts
[08:36] <{{corona}}> i am wondering if 3.4 kde is all unstable
[08:37] <buz> manveru: it seems to me that arts is fixed in 3.5RC1 packages
[08:37] <buz> it doesnt crash upon loading for me, anyway
[08:37] <oracel> I see..
[08:37] <manveru> {{corona}}: not if you don't do too fancy stuff that is unstable
[08:37] <buz> kde 3.4.3 is rock solid
[08:38] <manveru> buz: not with composite for me :)
[08:38] <buz> manveru: that's largely an X issue no?
[08:38] <{{corona}}> ok all i did was install fluxbox, wine and inkscape gimp
[08:38] <manveru> i guess so
[08:39] <{{corona}}> anyway i shall try/look around and let you know if things work or i just go ahead and install it again
[08:40] <{{corona}}> thanks a lot
[08:40] <oracel> 3.4.3 works extremely good for me
[08:41] <nalioth> oracel: then perhaps you should stick with it, in linux, stability is prized over "the latest and greatest"
[08:41] <{{corona}}> i don't know if it was those backdoor repositories
[08:41] <oracel> nalioth, yes, but it could have been interesting to try it on my laptop
[08:42] <{{corona}}> must have done something stupid with them
[08:57] <NotLarry> I am running kubuntu on a box next to me but want to open a desktop to a remote kubuntu box.  How can I do that?:)
[09:02] <pvh> I am having difficulty with what appears be a conflict between dbus and Beagle.
[09:03] <pvh> Beagle works fine on my Xubuntu laptop, but the daemon crashes, complaining about being unable to load dbus-sharp.
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> oh, hey.. i like the look of XFCE...
[09:08] <v-dogg> hmm... my /etc/X11/xorg.conf says "1400x1050" but only 1280x1024 is available when I try to change resolution from kde settings
[09:09] <KaoticEvil> i may be formatting my drive again...
[09:12] <manveru> KaoticEvil: btw, grml is sweeet :)
[09:13] <pvh> KaoticEvil: It's not bad, but it has a ways to go.
[09:13] <KaoticEvil> manveru: grml?
[09:13] <KaoticEvil> pv_: im looking for something that will be slightly faster on my old-ass machine :(
[09:14] <pvh> KaoticEvil: XFMedia won't play videos in my current version.
[09:14] <manveru> KaoticEvil: it's a bit bad to make ads for another distro here... :)
[09:14] <pvh> manveru: It's all Ubuntu, man.
[09:14] <KaoticEvil> manveru: yup :)
[09:14] <manveru> pvh: more debian i would say :)
[09:14] <pvh> manveru: It's in breezy/universe.
[09:14] <manveru> it's all about apt-get
[09:14] <KaoticEvil> manveru: i was talking about xubuntu ;)
[09:14] <manveru> KaoticEvil: i know, and i'm talking about grml
[09:14] <pvh> manveru: oh, heh. talking across purposes. got you,.
[09:14] <KaoticEvil> ah
[09:15] <manveru> however, it might be the fastest thing you can get for an old box
[09:15] <manveru> you can even start X if you have to...
[09:15] <manveru> ^^
[09:16] <pvh> heh
[09:16] <KaoticEvil> manveru: doh...
[09:17] <manveru> i just consider switching my laptop to it, so i have a better workstation
[09:17] <pvh> Considering I use my old laptop for watching downloaded lectures, listening to music on the bus and attaching to my server over NoMachine... That might not help me.
[09:17] <manveru> pvh: it comes with wmi, fastbox and fvwm afaik
[09:18] <manveru> only problem i might get is getting amarok running without kde...
[09:18] <KaoticEvil> ok, that didnt work...
[09:21] <NotLarry> Ok, lets try this.  I want to share a folder on my remote kubuntu box with a windows network.  How?:)
[09:25] <seth_k|lappy> SystemSettings > Sharing
[09:25] <libben> any easy way to unpack an xbox iso on linux? cause on windows i needed a special app for reading the iso and extracting it
[09:26] <nalioth> libben: the tools on linux work on any medium, i'd imagine
[09:26] <fatejudger> is there a linux app to download off of itunes
[09:27] <seth_k|lappy> sharpmusique
[09:28] <libben> aaah. app for paying to itunes?
[09:30] <oracel> if I switch to dapper drake repos now, can I expect a lot of problems? :)
[09:30] <buz> oracel: likely so
[09:31] <libben> wait like 2 months more. and it will be somemore convienience for u
[09:31] <libben> nalioth: is there any iso installed by default?
[09:31] <libben> i mean program to read them with
[09:31] <nalioth> libben: the system has the ability to mount iso images
[09:31] <PhxGuy> anyone ever try installing kubuntu on a mac inside a virtualPC image
[09:32] <nalioth> libben: then you browse them with konqueror
[09:32] <libben> so i just mount it as i do with my cd
[09:32] <KaoticEvil> anyone ever setup an ice/shoutcast server?
[09:32] <nalioth> libben: technically, yes
[09:33] <libben> nalioth: wanna hit me with the line for it? or point me to a site that explains it?
[09:33] <nalioth> libben: how to mount an iso image? ask in #ubuntu please
[09:35] <mornfall> |lart jatos
[09:36] <pvh> manveru: Life without Amarok? Unthinkable!
[09:37] <pvh> manveru: That would be like using Windows again.
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> lol Phazeman
[09:37] <KaoticEvil> phv even
[09:37] <pvh> manveru: Though I must say, I think the Dynamic Playlist thing is VERY poorly implemented right now.
[09:38] <manveru> pvh: well, i have to agree
[09:39] <manveru> pvh: my collection is too large, and everytime it loads something i don't want to hear right now
[09:40] <manveru> pvh: in the beginning i thought it had to learn... but after some weeks i have to say that it acts just dumb
[09:42] <da|patrick> hi
[09:42] <da|patrick> need help
[09:42] <da|patrick> issues in the system if i try to compile
[09:43] <nalioth> da|patrick: ask your specific question
[09:44] <da|patrick> the same as 3hours in the past
[09:44] <da|patrick> ati, driver, compiling
[09:44] <da|patrick> resulst should be 3 debs
[09:44] <da|patrick> but i see only a plain folder with some log file
[09:44] <da|patrick> etc.
[09:44] <pvh> manveru: The implementor doesn't like my suggestions about how to fix it.
[09:44] <da|patrick> as i said...
[09:44] <pvh> manveru: (Which is not suprising.)
[09:44] <da|patrick> this time its a clean system...
[09:44] <da|patrick> no security updates
[09:44] <da|patrick> only that gcc-3.4 compiler
[09:45] <da|patrick> and the ati driver
[09:45] <hussam> I read in ubuntuforums.org that the network config applet in breezy in kcontrol/system settings is broken. Is there an alternative netork config tool?
[09:45] <da|patrick> as told in the tutorial i found
[09:45] <manveru> pvh: i never suggested anything, so i cannot explain
[09:45] <manveru> hussam: ifconfig
[09:45] <nalioth> hussam: i believe there is an updated program, but check with someone else in here to be sure
[09:46] <hussam> nalioth: I haven't actually used the network config tools. I've just edited the config files manually. Somebody here helped me with that a few weeks ago.
[09:46] <pvh> manveru: I figure dynamic mode should just be a meta-playlist. A playlist of playlists.
[09:47] <pvh> manveru: But that would require "suggested songs" to become a playlist.
[09:47] <manveru> pvh: no, not for me...
[09:47] <pvh> manveru: No? Why not?
[09:47] <manveru> pvh: i would just love when it appends the suggested songs...
[09:47] <nalioth> da|patrick: may i suggest you enable channel logging in your irc client?
[09:48] <pvh> manveru: I'm not suggesting getting rid of that, but I should probably think more about it.
[09:48] <_snake> Hey all
[09:48] <pvh> manveru: I miss the simple "auto-append" flag.
[09:48] <da|patrick> nalioth, ???
[09:48] <da|patrick> lost my pass
[09:48] <manveru> pvh: auto-append-suggested?
[09:49] <da|patrick> nalioth, last time no recommendation solved the problem
[09:49] <nalioth> da|patrick: in your personal irc client, you can enable logging
[09:49] <_snake> I dont mean to be a bug, but is there anyone that can help me out real quick? I need to know how to install files without using the package manager...if possible
[09:49] <pvh> manveru: Yeah. It was good.
[09:49] <da|patrick> so i am asking vor new clues
[09:49] <da|patrick> nalioth, i deleted ubuntu again
[09:50] <hussam> nalioth: iirc, Mepis used some kde network config tool. but don't rememeber well. I only used mepis for 5 hours and it was a year ago.
[09:50] <da|patrick> absolut fresh install this time
[09:50] <pvh> manveru: Except it appended too many at a time, so over time your appendings gradually became less and less relevant.
[09:50] <da|patrick> so even i have logged
[09:50] <da|patrick> there wont be any files
[09:50] <nalioth> hussam: go with what you know
[09:50] <manveru> pvh: yeah, but that is the time where you come in and throw out what you don't like
[09:50] <manveru> pvh: i have no problem doing that a few times, but the system has to learn
[09:50] <pvh> manveru: It uses audioscrobbler, which theoretically has learned already.
[09:50] <ttrocal> Hello, I was in here a second ago to get help with a problem I was having on a new Kubntu Breezy install.  I'm having another problem, though, Opera 8.5 is continually exiting with a segfault on startup.  I've made sure my /home/user/.opera folder is chowned to the proper user, what else can I do?
[09:51] <_snake> Lol....I really hate  to  do this, but seriously fellas, please, is there anyone in here that can help a noob?
[09:51] <manveru> _snake: of course we can help you
[09:51] <hussam> nalioth: actually a lot of the admin tool applets in kcontrol in breezy are broken, not just the netwrok one
[09:52] <manveru> _snake: what do you mean without _package manager_ ?
[09:52] <_snake> How do I send hidden messages..
[09:52] <nalioth> hussam: yes, but iirc there is supposedly a fixed pkg, (but ask a kubuntu regular)
[09:52] <nalioth> _snake: you dont send any msgs on this network unless you're registered with nickserv
[09:53] <_snake> How are you guys sending it in red o.0!
[09:53] <_snake> lol
[09:53] <manveru> _snake: we just say your name...
[09:54] <_snake> Uhh okay whatever, Im just trying to install aim, and I have no idea how
[09:54] <_snake> Like I know how to use the package manager...obviously...but its not avalible there
[09:54] <_snake> just GAIM, but I need the direcrt connect features
[09:54] <manveru> _snake: you have to install a client that supports gaim, since aol won't make a client for linux
[09:55] <_snake> But they did
[09:55] <_snake> aim 1.5 for linux
[09:55] <_snake> http://www.aim.com/get_aim/linux/latest_linux.adp?aolp=#tgz2
[09:55] <nalioth> _snake: when someone says your nick, your client hilights it for you
[09:55] <nalioth> _snake: kopete
[09:56] <_snake> I was going to use that, but it didnt seem like it works :D
[09:57] <_snake> apparently it does tho...
[09:57] <_snake> How would I direct connect on this tho?
[09:57] <ttrocal> _snake: Some of the direct connect features work with gaim.  I've used displaying pictures in chats and sending files, specifically.
[09:59] <_snake> Thats why I wasnt using it! It shows all of my buddies offline
[10:00] <_snake> Any idea on that one guys?
[10:04] <da|patrick> has someone a clue, why gcc does not compile?
[10:08] <_snake> Well this will work
[10:08] <nalioth> da|patrick: did you install gcc-3.4?
[10:08] <_snake> Thanks guys
[10:08] <da|patrick> yep
[10:08] <da|patrick> i'll try to use xorg 6.8 rpm now
[10:08] <da|patrick> nalioth, could u guide me
[10:08] <da|patrick> :)
[10:09] <da|patrick> how does compiling work if source is rpm
[10:09] <nalioth> da|patrick: um, sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[10:09] <da|patrick> no... rpm of that driver for 6.8
[10:09] <nalioth> da|patrick: dont use rpms
[10:10] <da|patrick> sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 module-assistant build-essential fakeroot dh-make debconf <-- that command should have installed gcc3.4
[10:10] <nalioth> da|patrick: get the source code from the homepage
[10:10] <da|patrick> nalioth, ati, driver proprietary
[10:10] <da|patrick> --> no source
[10:10] <nalioth> da|patrick: then i dont know what to tell you
[10:10] <da|patrick> i dl the rpm
[10:10] <da|patrick> how do i get debs from that?
[10:11] <da|patrick> or could u try to build debs for me
[10:11] <da|patrick> that ati driver can export distributionbuilts
[10:11] <da|patrick> compiling failes on my machine
[10:11] <da|patrick> i dunno why
[10:11] <da|patrick> and i dont know how to fix it
[10:11] <da|patrick> on some machines it work
[10:12] <da|patrick> on mine it doest
[10:12] <da|patrick> would u do that please :D
[10:12] <da|patrick> :)
[10:15] <da|patrick> come on... dont ignore me:(
[10:16] <da|patrick> no one in forums has an idea what to do
[10:16] <da|patrick> in chat i am ignored
[10:16] <da|patrick> wasting hours here
[10:16] <da|patrick> for nothing :(
[10:17] <nalioth> da|patrick: act like an adult please
[10:17] <nalioth> da|patrick: open a terminal and type "man alien"
[10:18] <nalioth> da|patrick: if you dont have "alien", install it
[10:19] <da|patrick> what is alien?
[10:20] <nalioth> !info alien
[10:20] <ubotu> alien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.53 (breezy), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 288 kB
[10:22] <jHo> ello. is there a battery meter applet that comes w/ kde?
[10:23] <buz> there is
[10:23] <buz> on my laptop, it gets displayed automagically
[10:23] <nalioth_zZz> jHo: klaptopdaemon
[10:23] <da|patrick> thx nalioth_zZz
[10:24] <jHo> ty
[10:25] <cvardar> hey guys, i am having problem during installation kubuntu to a pc with embedded graphics controller
[10:25] <cvardar> it cannot go into graph mode, and i can only install server version
[10:25] <cvardar> any idea?
[10:27] <mgorbach228> how do i get 3.5 rc?
[10:27] <fatejudger> !kde3.5
[10:27] <ubotu> [kde3.5]  KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf - the repository to add is "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc1/ breezy main"
[10:29] <cvardar> tehr eis more than a hundred people her eand no idea about this problem ?
[10:30] <DrGayus> maybe theyre sleeping
[10:30] <fatejudger> doubt it
[10:30] <fatejudger> cvardar: you aren't giving me much to go on
[10:30] <fatejudger> cvardar: it's probably some crappy non-standard computer
[10:30] <fatejudger> cvardar: I wouldn't know much about that
[10:30] <cvardar> ok, if there is someone interested in the topic lets go in details
[10:30] <cvardar> the graphics controller is a via VLE266
[10:30] <fatejudger> what is up with the people compiling KDE 3.5?
[10:31] <cvardar> and cpu is via 733 MHz.
[10:31] <fatejudger> is it THAT hard to get a working arts package?
[10:31] <cvardar> normally this configuration runs windows xp professional without problem
[10:31] <fatejudger> cvardar: XP on a 733 MHz computer???
[10:31] <fatejudger> cvardar: holy crap that must be slow
[10:32] <cvardar> no it is not and running a software with lots of opengl models etc..
[10:32] <cvardar> with %30 cpu load only.
[10:32] <DrGayus> im on kubuntu... how can i make from Konqueror to open shell in the directory im curently browsing?
[10:33] <rikva> DrGayus: f4
[10:33] <nalioth_zZz> DrGayus: right click on the dir, > actions > open terminal here
[10:33] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: what is up with the RC1 packages?
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: have you had a chance to try them?
[10:34] <nalioth_zZz> fatejudger: i'm not that cutting edge
[10:34] <Mars> What is the best FTP client for kde?
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: have you heard anyone else complain?
[10:34] <rikva> Mars: konqueror
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: I see on the beta problems page that arts still doesn't work
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: I really don't get why they wouldn't have fixed that by now
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: and the KDE people know nothing of this error, so it must be the gcc version that is used to compile it
[10:34] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: or something like that...
[10:35] <nalioth_zZz> fatejudger: it is being addressed as we speak
[10:35] <DrGayus> k thanks
[10:35] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: arts?
[10:35] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: by the Kubuntu people or the KDE people?
[10:35] <nalioth_zZz> fatejudger: ubuntu has long had a history of failed compiles that only affect ubuntu
[10:35] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: why do they release them then?
[10:36] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: and is somebody going to recompile RC1?
[10:36] <nalioth_zZz> fatejudger: as mentioned, i'm sure it's being addressed as we speak
[10:36] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: well there was arts breakage in Beta 2 and no one ever addressed it
[10:36] <nalioth_zZz> and as i sleep
[10:36] <cvardar> fatejudger: may you please take a look at the screenshot at : http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=1582.0
[10:36] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: isn't RIddell the one in charge of that compile?
[10:37] <DrGayus> fresh Kubuntu install ... Cant install Firefox .... i unzipped in directory but no installer runs... tried ./firefox-installer , firefox-installer , firefox-installer-bin.... they give error : command not found  but ./firefox-installer-bin gives error: libstdc++.so.5 cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[10:37] <fatejudger> cvardar: who is we?
[10:38] <fatejudger> DrGayus: download the deb package instead
[10:38] <rikva> DrGayus: why not install firefox from apt
[10:38] <fatejudger> DrGayus: sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:38] <fatejudger> rikva: he probably wants RC2
[10:38] <rikva> possible
[10:38] <fatejudger> why not use Konqueror?
[10:38] <fatejudger> Konqueror is MUCH faster in KDE than is Firefox
[10:38] <cvardar> fatejudger: we is i and my firend gochoo.
[10:39] <rikva> some people like firefox more (for it extensions for example)
[10:39] <DrGayus> im using VMWARE and things are slow  to load... i thought maybe firefox...
[10:39] <nalioth_zZz> konqueror has extensions
[10:39] <fatejudger> and Konqueror has AdBlock now
[10:39] <rikva> flash,java,adblock,firefox extensions don't work in konqueror and i am lazy ;)
[10:40] <fatejudger> flash works in Konq
[10:40] <fatejudger> so does Java
[10:40] <rikva> i'm too lazy
[10:40] <fatejudger> and Kaffeine is integrated into Konq
[10:40] <fatejudger> lazy?
[10:40] <rikva> and i hate kaffeine
[10:40] <fatejudger> Konq is already installed!
[10:40] <nalioth_zZz> night y'all
[10:40] <fatejudger> nalioth_zZz: night
[10:40] <rikva> gn8 nalioth_zZz
[10:41] <DrGayus> i guess there is no fix for this weird vmware slowness in networking?
[10:42] <fatejudger> dunno, I don't like vmware and I don't use it
[10:42] <fatejudger> dual booting kicks ass
[10:42] <fatejudger> where is Riddell when you need him?
[10:46] <DrGayus> sudo apt-get install firefox : package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.. .... ... blah.... package firefox has no installation candidate
[10:46] <fatejudger> should I download the KDE Beta 2 packages before I download the KDE RC 1 packages?
[10:47] <fatejudger> DrGayus: I think it's in universe
[10:47] <fatejudger> DrGayus: you need to get those repos in the sources.list file
[10:47] <DrGayus> sorry...i dont know what that means
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: try sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:48] <KaoticEvil> ubotu: tell DrGayus about repos
[10:49] <DrGayus> no go... same error
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: read what ubotu just told you
[10:49] <DrGayus> ok thanks
[10:49] <KaoticEvil> np :)
[10:50] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: that's the transitional package
[10:50] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: the package he wants is called just firefox
[10:51] <fatejudger> DrGayus: Battlestar Galactica?
[10:51] <DrGayus> what?
[10:51] <fatejudger> DrGayus: your name
[10:51] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: is it?
[10:52] <fatejudger> DrGayus: is your name from Battlestar Galactica?
[10:52] <DrGayus> no, from simsons when theyre mocking planet of the apes "dr zaius dr zaius"
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> i couldnt get package firefox to install...
[10:52] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: well that's the package
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> hmm.. odd.. ok
[10:52] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: it's stands
[10:52] <fatejudger> KaoticEvil: not sits
[10:52] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: but im sitting ;)
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> :P
[10:53] <fatejudger> lol
[10:53] <KaoticEvil> fatejudger: so its "sits corrected", not stands ;) :P
[10:54] <willtux> hi !
[10:54] <willtux> I need help
[10:55] <willtux> I cannot to install some programs in Kubuntu 5.10
[10:55] <willtux> anybody can help me
[10:55] <willtux> ?
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> ah, theres the problem :)
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> willtux: which ones?
[10:56] <willtux> what?
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> which programs?
[10:57] <willtux> all
[10:57] <KaoticEvil> willtux: using adept, or compiling from source?
[10:58] <willtux> the message is = only root can that
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> ubotu: tell willtux about sudo
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> willtux: check out what ubotu just told you :)
[10:58] <KaoticEvil> that should help ya
[10:59] <willtux> ok, thanks
[10:59] <KaoticEvil> np :)
[11:00] <DrGayus> man... this linux is complicated like heck
[11:00] <PJeremy> not really..
[11:00] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: sometimes, yeah
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> especially to some one who is used to windows doing everything for em lol
[11:01] <DrGayus> theres 100000 commands vs 10 of dos for example
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: yup
[11:01] <KaoticEvil> would someone care to help me make sure that my shoutcast server is working?
[11:01] <DrGayus> sure :D
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> DrGayus: PM?
[11:02] <DrGayus> k got firefox installed :D thanks ya'll
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> :)
[11:02] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: what are you playing
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> PJeremy: ive got a whole list... lol
[11:02] <KaoticEvil> its a mixed setup.. a lil bit of everything
[11:03] <PJeremy> KaoticEvil: nice
[11:03] <KaoticEvil> right now, Maraiah Carey - Shake It Off... xmms has 332 songs in its lists right now, on a random playback
[11:04] <PJeremy> mmh, i'd rather see carey than hear her sing/talk ;)
[11:04] <manveru> DrGayus: regarding the commands - 100000 doesn't count the options :)
[11:04] <KaoticEvil> PJeremy: its bon jovi now ;)
[11:05] <KaoticEvil> like i said.. totally mixed
[11:05] <PJeremy> one of the greatest carey moments was when she said she'd like to be as skinny as 3rd world country citizens but without all the flies and death..
[11:06] <KaoticEvil> ROFL!
[11:17] <DrGayus> is there a way to make shadow under windows (for decorative purpose :)
[11:24] <maciek> hi
[11:25] <JustinS> how do?
[11:25] <maciek> i have problem with kde on kubuntu... my windows are too big and they dont fit in desktop
[11:28] <maciek> for example (system settings/apperance/window decoration)
[11:28] <JustinS> I'm of not much help there ..  My server is in trouble right now so the sounds just going to stay broken ..
[11:28] <Delvien> Isnt there some kind of weather applet for KDE panel?
[11:30] <Delvien> anyone know?
[11:33] <os2mac> there is a weather applet for the KDE panel.
[11:34] <os2mac> if you right click on the kicker bar and go to add applet its in there.
[11:34] <Delvien> os2mac its not there, i checked, which is wierd. whats it called
[11:35] <Delvien> os2mac i had it on my last install, but for some reason i dont have it anymore.
[11:35] <Delvien> kweather.. i think
[11:35] <os2mac> hang on a sec.. I am on windows atm
[11:35] <Delvien> i got it
[11:40] <KaoticEvil> bloody samba o.o
[11:47] <Delvien> ugh isnt there anything better than KWeather that goes in the KDE panel?
[11:49] <oracel> hm
[11:49] <_sam> anyone know when kde3.5 final coming
[11:49] <oracel> you could use superkaramba and get a widget on your desktop
[11:49] <oracel> liquidweather++
[11:50] <_sam> good wifget
[11:50] <Delvien> aye but was trying to avoid something on my desktop
[11:50] <Delvien> i already have my system moniter that i made
[11:51] <_sam> kweather?
[11:52] <DrGayus> how come i cant play mp3 (from win xp) over lan but got to copy first?
[11:52] <resolve> hi is there anyway to change kde fonts... i find it big and kind of ugly
[11:52] <kkathman> has anyone installed the KDE 3.5 RC1 yet?
[11:53] <kkathman> resolve: icons where?
[11:53] <resolve> sustym in general ... taskbar menu etc...
[11:53] <kkathman> resolve all these are set using System Settings
[11:53] <resolve> it is so big and so dark that its loosing me
[11:53] <sampan> resolve: kmenu --> system settings --> appearances --> fonts iirc
[11:54] <resolve> ok thx
[11:54] <kkathman> resolve: the taskbar is set by right clicking on the taskbar and configuring the size
[11:58] <resolve> although i might head back to gnome :S
[11:58] <sampan> ewww ;)
[11:59] <resolve> find it kind of clearer and doesnt give me that microsoft feels... anyway maybe personal choice
[11:59] <sampan> it's all personal choice i think... for me, the nice thing about kde is that every itty bitty part of the gui is customizable -- gnome feels like a straightjacket in comparison
[11:59] <Delvien> trying to use liquidweather for superKaramba but the guy who made it has shitty mirrors..
[11:59] <resolve> maybe i should get more familiar with kde before switching again
[12:03] <sampan> could always try other desktops too -- xfce is very nice -- the level of customization is about like gnome (i.e., not as many settings as kde) but really light on resources