[01:21] <Nycatelos> lotuspsychje: no, I had it on finger, the top one
[05:43] <wyseguy> hey all
[05:43] <wyseguy> gonna be installing ubuntu on my new T430, was wondering if you would recommend to install the 18.04 beta then just update once the 18.04 stable is released.
[05:43] <wyseguy> thoughts?
[06:30] <valorie> wyseguy: I run kubuntu beta2
[06:31] <valorie> on both my laptops
[06:31] <valorie> so far, great
[06:31] <valorie> I suggest trying before installing though
[06:31] <valorie> otherwise install 17.10.1
[06:31] <wyseguy> okay
[06:32] <wyseguy> use unetbootin on the mac but looks like the T430 doesent like it that way
[06:32] <valorie> dd always works
[06:32] <valorie> kubuntu's usb-writer always works for me though
[06:33] <wyseguy> ya ill just dd it
[06:33] <wyseguy> :)
[06:33] <wyseguy> cant go wrong with that
[06:33] <wyseguy> well you can if you mix up the if and of lol
[06:37] <wyseguy> dam apple adding a dmg at the end of the img
[06:38] <wyseguy> there goes dd
[09:06] <Huck777> hi, how can I disable that the ubuntu dash is merging/grouping my windows?
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> Huck777: what do you mean exactly
[11:00] <Huck777> lotuspsychje: open two terminal windows. they get merged and the dock shows two dots on the terminal icon. i want them separated.
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> Huck777: not sure thats possible, perhaps try in gnome-tweak-tool ?
[11:03] <Huck777> no options there. I'll replace the ubuntu dock with the stock gnome dock and add some extensions.
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> Huck777: your on daily or upgraded?
[14:09] <mifritscher1> how is this "wipe screen to come to desktop" screen called?
[14:34] <akem> Lock screen? actually where you change its background its called Lockscreen.
[14:37] <mifritscher1> ah, slide screen
[14:37] <mifritscher1> it's a pity that a plugin is needed to kill it it seems - and the plugins doesn't work on newer gdm versions it seems
[14:37] <mifritscher1> -> switched to lightdm
[14:40] <akem> I see, also they should make it so that when you press a key this slide screen goes away, maybe it's usefull for tablets but for laptops...
[14:43] <akem> In the gnome settings you can change the Lock screen BG and it will change this slide screen BG in fact, then where you login to your session it remains purple background. Not very important tho.
[16:55] <en1gma> is ubuntu 18.04 beta 2 becoming pretty stable? i have amd 64 desktop 16.04.2 installed but finding alot of software i build is wanting the latest stuff
[16:57] <hggdh> en1gma: it is stable for me, just small nits
[16:59] <en1gma> cool.
[17:00] <en1gma> i have windows 10 dual boot with 16.04.2 right now. grub is the bootloader.
[17:00] <en1gma> how can i install 18.04 to my 16.04 partitions and also have 18.04 grub install over my 16.04 grub?
[17:01] <lapaga> do you want to get rid of 16.04?
[17:02] <en1gma> completely
[17:02] <en1gma> i want an exact replacement of 16.04 with 18.04 and i dont want it to break my windows 10 dual boot as i have alot of info on that area of the drive
[17:03] <lapaga> do you have a seperate /home partition?
[17:03] <en1gma> everything is working perfect right now. wish i could just do a "reset system" with ubuntu so it would take me back to a fresh install and then i would just go an dist-upgrade
[17:05] <lapaga> i have always had a seperate /home so if you don't then someone else needs to chime in
[17:07] <en1gma> i use default settings for "install along side windows" when i installed 16.04
[17:07] <en1gma> now if i install 18.04 fresh i want to be able to manually select those partitions for os install and grub install?
[17:08] <alkisg> Separate /home or not isn't an issue, the installer prompts you to upgrade while keeping /home
[17:08] <alkisg> And in that case it wipes /usr and everything, keeping only /home
[17:08] <alkisg> So it's what you're asking for
[17:25] <bmp0015_> Hi, I'm trying to get a hit the ground running with 18.04 and am attempting to automate the install process with packer and a preseed, but I can't seem to get it to work. The issue is the /install directory inside the beta 2 iso does not contain a initial ramdisk or kernel liek 16.04 and 17 did. Is this something that is just not present on the beta?
[18:08] <en1gma> no i thinking im asking about installing 18.04 to the same exact physical partitions
[18:08] <en1gma> say the drive = /dev/sda
[18:08] <en1gma> root = /dev/sda1
[18:09] <en1gma> swap = /dev/sda2?
[18:09] <en1gma> grub = mbr or gpt?
[18:09] <en1gma> i want grub to install to where grub is now
[18:11] <en1gma> in this dual boot windows 10 and ubuntu 16.04.2 Desktop. i would love to install 18.04 over the same everything and wipe it all out
[18:12] <en1gma> i can boot 18.04 live and wipe and format those partitions
[18:12] <en1gma> i just want 18.04 in the same exact spots 16.04 is currently installed to
[18:13] <enyc> en1gma: hrrm
[18:13] <enyc> en1gma: you CAN also later just 'upgrade' 16.04.x to 18.04 'in place'
[18:14] <enyc> (which is normalyl offered when 18.04.1 becomes available, aiui)
[18:14] <en1gma> enyc i cant do it right now by adding repos?
[18:14] <en1gma> to the 18.04 beta?
[18:15] <en1gma> i still have a ton of unwanted software that i have previously installed and built etc...
[18:15] <en1gma> would really prefer fresh install of beta since i already have it downloaded
[18:16] <enyc> en1gma: ok, that may make sense for you then
[18:16] <enyc> en1gma: but better to wait for release, or possibly 18.04.1
[18:16] <enyc> en1gma: depends on your 'risk management'
[18:17] <enyc> what if 18.04 has some kind of issue with your machine,  or you forget you havede some fiddly-to-compli seftware in your 14.04 you want back,  etc etc...
[18:29] <en1gma> no i dont want nothing back and installing ubuntu "Manually" where you tell it "Not the whole disk" and you manually select where to put everything thats been useable since the beginning of ubuntu i think
[18:29] <en1gma> does anyone know if the "Manual" install to disk is broken or working?
[18:32] <Bashing-om> en1gma: "something else"  works .
[19:12] <donofrio> anyone here messing with command line wsl and have success with /etc/wsl.conf from (https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/02/07/automatically-configuring-wsl/)
[19:12] <donofrio> my do *not* update resolv.conf is the part that is not working....need dns search order to be correct...
[19:36] <en1gma> Bashing-om "something else" will let me install 18.04 to the partitions that 16.04 has already created? like /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, swap and mbr or gpt for grub too which is /dev/sda?
[19:37] <en1gma> how can i tell if ubuntu grub is installed to gpt or mbr right now? do i need to set my bios to anything?
[19:40] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Short answer - yes - in the install stage pay very close attention at the bottom of the screen what/where the installer will install grub to .
[19:44] <en1gma> ok yea thats the important part. do i need to see where my current grub is installed and then with the 18.04 installer select that same thing?
[19:46] <Bashing-om> en1gma: No .. as you are re-intalling to sda1/2 just ensure that grub gets installed to sda ( the device not a partition ) .
[19:49] <lapaga> Would not windows be on sda1&2?
[19:51] <xkent> hi, how do I switch to gnome 2/classic/fallback/falshback in beta 2 ?
[19:51] <Bashing-om> lapaga: Likely . en1gma : ' sudo parted -l ' to know the partitioning .
[19:56] <en1gma> Bashing-om and i dont have to select mbr or gpt?
[19:57] <en1gma> im dual boot windows
[19:57] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Installer will match the partition scheme .
[19:58] <Bashing-om> en1gma: If you dual boot Win10, ensure that you boot the install disk in UEFI mode !!
[21:34] <en1gma> ok cool thanks
[22:32] <en1gma> if i install 18.04 beta 2 will we be able to "apt-get upgrade" to the final release later this month?
[22:33] <valorie> en1gma: well, apt update && apt full-upgrade
[22:33] <valorie> upgrade by itself isn't so great
[22:34] <valorie> doesn't uninstall cruft
[22:34] <en1gma> we should be able to do that with no problems? i mean i wont have to download the final and wipe my drive to install
[22:36] <hggdh> en1gma: no, you will not. Even if you have installed an alpha (or earlier) for Bionic, apt update && apt full-upgrade will bring your install to current level
[22:37] <valorie> en1gma: it's good to run those commands daily (with sudo of course) since there are daily updates now
[22:37] <valorie> or nearly daily
[22:37] <valorie> most tiny changes
[22:42] <en1gma> i always only run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' daily
[22:42] <en1gma> on 16.04.02
[22:44] <en1gma> starting to move my stuff to my spare drive :) got to reboot. thanks all
[22:46] <valorie> upgrade rather than dist-upgrade or full-upgrade is asking for cruft if not actual trouble imo


[00:55] <snap-l> Updated the UGJ information to have the new venue
[00:55] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1526/detail/
[01:23] <VisualAssassin> how do i check the version of ubuntu im running in the terminal?
[01:58] <snap-l> Blazeix: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/Eclipse%20Phase%20-%20RPG/PS%2B21000_EclipsePhase_3rdPrinting.pdf
[01:58] <snap-l> (and for anyone else who likes pen and paper RPGs)
[02:00] <Blazeix> thanks
[02:01] <snap-l> np
[11:38] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:50] <brousch> snap-l: you live about 2 miles from my sister. i will have to visit her saturday
[12:50] <rick_h_> morning
[12:51] <brousch> you are correct sir
[12:55] <tjagoda> Lots of news about the new Windows 8 beta.
[12:55] <tjagoda> Apparently Server 8 also gets stupid metro tiles
[12:56] <tjagoda>  /anger
[12:57] <snap-l> brousch: Is that a good thing?
[12:57] <brousch> it is good since i don't see her often
[12:57] <snap-l> whew.
[12:57] <brousch> actually i may see if she can watch my son and give my wife a day off
[12:58] <snap-l> Is your sone OK with 3 hour car rides?
[12:58] <snap-l> to and from? :)
[12:58] <brousch> yeah, we went to detroit twice last summer
[12:58] <brousch> and it's only 2.5 hours
[12:58] <brousch> zoo and science center
[12:59] <brousch> so this could work really well for me
[13:04] <brousch> snap-l: you want me to bring anything? West MI beer? Black licorice candy?
[13:07] <tjagoda> I want you to bring my an Ubuntu TV.
[13:09] <brousch> tjagoda: are you going?
[13:10] <brousch> and talk to the canonicoids in the room for that one :P
[13:11] <tjagoda> Am I going to where?
[13:11] <tjagoda> (I think I entered in the middle of this conversation)
[13:12] <brousch> tjagoda: to the ubuntu michigan global jam event on saturday
[13:13] <tjagoda> Oh, I dunno
[13:14] <tjagoda> I have a contractor working on the house, not sure if he'll be doing stuff on saturday actually
[13:14] <brousch> give him the day off
[13:15] <tjagoda> Do you think this is france, where every fourth workday is a vacation? =P
[13:15] <brousch> he is your employee. give him the day off
[13:27] <snap-l> brousch: Bring what you wish to bring
[13:27] <snap-l> we have a fridge
[13:27] <brousch> what do you lack that you would like to have there?  You can keep them.
[13:30] <tjagoda> rofl
[13:31] <snap-l> bbiab
[13:31] <brousch> snap-l: you have quicken loans, automobile companies, and compuware
[13:42] <brousch> this gib person seems interesting
[13:42] <brousch> juno.com email address? juno seriously still exists?
[13:42] <rick_h_> lol
[13:43] <brousch> and it sticks a botox ad in the email?
[13:43] <brousch> a linux user who tolerates this kind of thing must be fascinating
[14:04] <rick_h_> adding a couple of vimbits: http://vimbits.com/bits/273 and http://vimbits.com/bits/272
[14:04] <rick_h_> plus appreciated :)
[14:20] <snap-l> I have to create an account? Bah
[14:21] <rick_h_> :P
[14:26] <snap-l> My Google account is my passport. ;)
[14:27] <rick_h_> I miss college: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_sUeGC-8dyk
[14:27] <snap-l> I miss all of the people who wouldn't give me the time of day
[14:27] <snap-l> oh, wait, I can get that on IRC. ;)
[14:27] <snap-l> It's like I never left.
[14:27] <snap-l> (kidding)
[14:28] <snap-l> Actually, that was more high school than college.
[14:45] <rick_h_> sorry stand up call. the time is 9:44am EST
[14:45] <rick_h_> :P
[14:52] <snap-l> heh
[14:52] <snap-l> We're on God's time here
[15:19] <tjagoda> Somebody misses college?
[15:19] <tjagoda> feel free to come take my java programming course for me then =P
[15:21] <brousch> i wish we'd had java courses when i was in college
[15:21] <brousch> much easier than C and C++
[15:33] <snap-l> brousch: No, no you don't.
[15:38] <tjagoda> I had both
[15:38] <tjagoda> C++ was easier.
[15:39] <brousch> pointers make me cry
[15:39] <brousch> i would rather punch myself in the testicles than manage my own memory
[15:40] <snap-l> public static void up up down down left right left right a b a b is soooooo much better.
[15:40] <snap-l> I'd rather read memory directly than have to cast every God-damn thing.
[15:41] <brousch> "Microsoft's cloudy platform, Windows Azure, is experiencing a major outage: at the time of writing, its service management system had been down for about seven hours worldwide."
[15:47] <krondor> MS just doesn't like leap years
[15:47] <krondor> the guy that worked on the zune leap year bug moved to the azure team
[15:48] <krondor> windows phone team didn't want him :|
[15:48] <brousch> that makes sense
[15:49] <snap-l> If only there were libraries to handle dates
[15:49] <snap-l> ;)
[16:04] <snap-l> Argh.
[16:04] <snap-l> Python is too clever sometimes.
[16:04] <snap-l> class Baz:
[16:04] <rick_h_> oops
[16:04] <snap-l>   def __init__(self, baz=[]):
[16:04] <snap-l>      self.baz = baz
[16:05] <snap-l> a = Baz() and b = Baz() will both point to the same place
[16:05] <rick_h_> - class Baz(object) [use new style classes]
[16:05] <snap-l> er, a.baz and b.baz
[16:05] <snap-l> OK
[16:05] <rick_h_> - bzr=[] [never never never set a default to a mutable default]
[16:05] <snap-l> Feh
[16:05] <rick_h_> baz=None
[16:05] <rick_h_> if not baz: self.baz = []
[16:06] <snap-l> OK
[16:07] <snap-l> I knew I was doing something stupid, but couldn't articulate it for Google. :)
[16:07] <snap-l> Thank you.
[16:08] <rick_h_> yea, been there done that
[16:08] <rick_h_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6794285/python-function-remembering-earlier-argument-kwargs
[16:09] <snap-l> Yeah, I figured that's what it was doing
[16:09] <snap-l> "Hey, I already have a Baz-ified [], I'll just use that!"
[16:10] <rick_h_> yea, eventually you have to figure out the quirks of mutable vs immutable types in python
[16:10] <snap-l> Hah. "Snakenet Metal Radio: Your source for going deaf on the Internet"
[16:11] <snap-l> On the plus side, I now know about id
[16:11] <rick_h_> heh yea
[16:12] <jcastro> latest stackexchange podcast is pure gold
[16:12] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea? /me goes to look
[16:12] <jcastro> jrwren: ^^^^
[16:12] <jcastro> yeah so jeff is leaving and it's basically a summary of their history and what they learned
[16:13] <snap-l> (Stack Overflow is not another place to discuss tabs vs. spaces.) <- That's what Programmers.SE became.
[16:13] <jcastro> hah yeah
[16:14] <jcastro> but at least that stuff gets contained on programmers
[16:14] <snap-l> Sadly, my programmer.se score is higher than my SO score.
[16:14] <jcastro> hah
[16:14] <snap-l> the answer to two questions:
[16:14] <snap-l> What do you wish you learned in college: More C.
[16:15] <snap-l> Will I speed my compiles by using tabs vs. spaces: I will dragon-kick you in the neck.
[16:17] <snap-l> And jcastro, yes I can see Google Maps being replaced in a lot of places now that they've gone and upped the pricing
[16:17] <brousch> i am seeing people asking about alternative
[16:18] <nullspace> yawn
[16:18] <snap-l> fucking piwik
[16:18] <brousch> mapquest actually looks good. use their data or openmaps, drop in google api replacement, free unlimited community version
[16:18] <snap-l> They have a piwik bug on their page.
[16:55] <snap-l> Strange. I have a peak on my network where I was sending as much as I was receiving which was just shy of 6Mbps
[16:55] <snap-l> what's strange about that is my upload cap is 1Mbps
[16:59] <brousch> maybe wifi
[16:59] <brousch> sending inside the lan
[16:59] <brousch> dropbox lan sync?
[16:59] <snap-l> Over wan? Don't think so
[17:11] <brousch> interesting. the kindle app has registered itself a a pdf reader on my NC
[17:11] <brousch> it's a decent alternative to adobe
[17:12] <snap-l> I picked up ezPDF reader.
[17:12] <snap-l> It's OK. Seems to do a bit better on antialiasing than the built-in reader.
[17:13] <brousch> adobe reader stays zoomed in to the level i want when changing pages, but it also slides back and forth with my thumb
[17:13] <snap-l> shame that it doesn't register itself as the last thing you read, though. :)
[17:13] <snap-l> blergh, I hate that
[17:13] <brousch> kindle reader jumps back to full page view when changing pages
[17:14] <brousch> i want a zoom-and-lock funtion
[17:14] <brousch> zoom to these margins and keep them
[17:17] <brousch> oh baby. i just changed one setting and one color and my color scheme is even nicer
[17:17] <brousch> hawt
[17:24] <krondor> hmm, I just realized that imgur.com animates the favicon for animated gifs
[17:25] <krondor> didn't realize that was a thing
[17:26] <krondor> it apparently only works in FF http://i.imgur.com/qdgYU.gif
[18:09] <brousch> sounds annoying
[18:10] <snap-l> How's the Thurdsay so far?
[18:10] <snap-l> Thursday, even
[18:14] <brousch> lookin good
[18:14] <brousch> i'm all set for saturday
[18:14] <rick_h_> meh
[18:16] <snap-l> rick_h_: meh?
[18:16] <rick_h_> yea, thurs is meh
[18:22] <brousch> but you can use vim on android
[18:23] <brousch> that has to pump you up
[19:22] <brousch> snap-l: are you providing lunch saturday?
[19:23] <snap-l> brousch: WE can get pizza if you want
[19:23] <rick_h_> lol
[19:23] <snap-l> I hadn't planned on any food, though
[19:23] <brousch> just wondering if i should eat beforehand
[19:23] <rick_h_> jodee is going to make pie for everyone
[19:23] <brousch> ok, i'll grab something with G
[19:23] <brousch> ooooh, what kind of pie?
[19:23] <snap-l> brousch: Pizza pie
[19:24] <brousch> py pie
[19:24] <rick_h_> your choice I heard
[19:24] <snap-l> Actually, I hadn't thought of it.
[19:24] <rick_h_> I'm officially out
[19:24] <snap-l> and Perry's doesn't open until 4pm
[19:24] <rick_h_> by the way :(
[19:24] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ugh, sorry to hear that.
[19:24] <brousch> booo
[19:24] <rick_h_> gave it a shot, but dad is in town on his anuual trip and my wife let me know what a 'good son' would do
[19:25] <brousch> a good son would bring his dad along so they could bond over freedom?
[19:25] <snap-l> Yeah, cram him into the car and take him to a gathering of his nutty friends in cramped location. ;)
[19:25] <brousch> and so his dad could see what his favorite little guy does all day?
[19:27] <snap-l> brousch: (Somehow I don't think this is working)
[19:27] <brousch> gotta try you know
[19:28] <rick_h_> heh
[19:31] <brousch> snap-l: don't worry about food. i'll grab lunch with my sister and son
[19:34] <snap-l> brousch: Well, we might get something
[19:34] <snap-l> not entirely sure
[19:34] <snap-l> but yeah, don't want G to get off schedule
[19:36] <brousch> he eats all day until 4PM, then he stops
[19:36] <brousch> have to shove dinner down his throat
[19:56] <brousch> hmmmmm http://lusob.com/2012/01/django-ide/
[20:11] <rick_h_> heh, awesome
[20:28] <brousch> wow, this isn't half-bad
[20:30] <brousch> you can actually edit the python files, templates, and css from right in the browser
[20:33] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot17.png
[20:33] <rick_h_> brousch: cool
[20:33] <rick_h_> now can multiple people pull up the same url at the same time?
[20:33] <rick_h_> pairing?
[20:34] <brousch> not sure
[20:35] <rick_h_> open it in FF and chrome :)
[20:35] <brousch> it let me open both and edit, but changes are not reflected automatically
[20:36] <rick_h_> ok
[20:36] <rick_h_> well curious, didn't think so but worth a test
[20:36] <brousch> actually i can't get the changes to come up at all on the second
[20:36] <rick_h_> still chromebook friendly perhaps
[20:38] <brousch> ok, got the changes across
[20:38] <brousch> basically it lets you open one django app at a time. changes get synced when you leave that app in the editor
[20:38] <brousch> then last edit sticks
[20:39] <brousch> so you could have multiple people in there if they're working on different apps
[20:41] <brousch> also i don't see how to change application-level files like the root urls.py and settings
[20:45] <brousch> but a very interesting start
[20:58] <brousch> hm, he checked .pyc files into github. is that a bad sign?
[20:59] <snap-l> brousch: Punishment must be administered
[20:59] <brousch> also, no changes in 3 months
[21:00] <devinheitmueller> He's just making it more efficient (so you don't have to recompile the modules).  :-)
[21:00] <brousch> riiiight
[21:06] <rick_h_> brousch: no ~/.gitignore ?!
[21:06] <rick_h_> fix your dotfils pls kthx
[21:07] <rick_h_> brousch: should get you started http://paste.mitechie.com/show/554/
[21:08] <brousch> i don;t like it. *.pyc is in there twice
[21:09] <Blazeix> you can never be too careful
[21:10] <rick_h_> clearly :)
[21:12] <brousch> there, added a few http://paste.mitechie.com/show/555/
[21:12] <brousch> now you won't be annoyed by pydev eclipse users
[21:14] <brousch> and the __pycache__ thing is from the newest python versions i think
[22:59] <tjagoda> Holy crap
[23:00] <tjagoda> haven't apt-get upgraded in a while
[23:00] <tjagoda> 495 MB of updates
[23:05] <rick_h_> widox: ooh, you get mixins http://php.net/traits cool
[23:13] <tjagoda> Uhoh
[23:13] <tjagoda> "internal Error, no file name for libc6"
[23:13] <tjagoda> that can't be good.
[23:18] <greg-g> bah, who needs libc?
[23:42] <snap-l> tjagoda: Do an update
[23:42] <snap-l> apt-get update
[23:46] <tjagoda> that's what broke the lib
[23:46] <tjagoda> lol
[23:46] <tjagoda> apt-get -f dist-upgrade in combination with some dpkg seems to have fixed it
[23:50] <tjagoda> Whew
[23:50] <tjagoda> this is a very painful upgrade
[23:51] <tjagoda> shame on me for letting it get to be 6,000 miles long
[23:54] <snap-l> yes


[00:07] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: They've had many warnings in the past.
[05:12] <bazhang> 30 bit color capability?
[05:14] <dax> what about it?
[05:15] <bazhang> odd question
[05:15] <dax> a lot of "32-bit" color systems are actually 30-bit
[06:16] <chu> Umm, m13 in #ubuntu
[06:16] <chu> mi3 even
 btw Lotium is sending queries to people with explicit material. You guys should probably kb him.
[06:54] <chu> Still? I thought dax took care of him, but maybe not.
[06:54] <JoseeAntonioR> chu: Not sure, I told the user to just /ignore. After that being said, he didn't say anything else.
[10:25] <ANub> guys is there any channel for x server support
[14:23] <bazhang> main server? hope he's not confusing repo with server
[14:53] <elky> all works :D
 Bunie: just plugin and you will see it into Nautilus
[14:56] <bazhang> how to mount a drive
[15:56] <mneptok> off for a chore. if you're around, watch "dontknow" in #u?
[15:57] <oCean> yep
[16:21] <bazhang> apt-get install UBUNTU-ULTIMEte --recommends+atumatix
[16:22] <oCean> (:
[16:26] <bazhang> l_r seems to be the exact issue as mr Dontknow
[16:26] <bazhang> uncloak to ban dodge perhaps?
[16:27] <oCean> nah
[16:27] <oCean> dontknow seemed to suddenly have same issues as others
[16:27] <bazhang> dontknow, hello
[16:27] <dontknow> hi
[16:28] <dontknow> i am kicked
[16:28] <dontknow> wtf
[16:28] <bazhang> banned
[16:28] <dontknow> i will never enter #ubuntu now?
[16:28] <bazhang> dontknow, you are forwarded here
[16:29] <dontknow> bazhang, are you admin?
[16:29] <bazhang> dontknow, this is #ubuntu-ops
[16:29] <bazhang> dontknow, do you know why you were banned?
[16:29] <dontknow> bazhang, so what is this? limbo? lol
[16:30] <dontknow> i suggested cinnamon, wat the hell
[16:31] <bazhang> thats not part of ubuntu, it's not supported, and offtopic
[16:32] <dontknow> this attitude is not forgiveable, against linux philosophy
[16:32] <bazhang> ##linux or mintsupport for Mint stuff
[16:32] <dontknow> i am using cinnamon right now instead of toy unity, and it is very stable now
[16:33] <dontknow> bazhang, what are you doing here?
[16:33] <bazhang> then get mintsupport
[16:33] <dontknow> bazhang, are you banned too?
[16:33] <oCean> dontknow: so you think everything that is considered stable should be on topic for the #ubuntu channel?
[16:33] <bazhang> dontknow, mint packages are not part of ubuntu
[16:33] <dontknow> oCean, of course, why not
[16:33] <oCean> dontknow: because it is a specific #ubuntu channel
[16:34] <oCean> for general Linux support/discussion there is already ##linux
[16:34] <oCean> or, specific mint channels
[16:34] <bazhang> or mintsupport
[16:34] <oCean> dontknow: so, the ubuntu community decided to have channels for very specific ubuntu support
[16:34] <bazhang> !mintsupport | dontknow
[16:35] <dontknow> really, what are you two doing here?
[16:35] <oCean> dontknow: have you read the topic?
[16:35] <oCean> /topic
[16:35] <bazhang> dontknow, we moderate ubuntu channels
[16:35] <dontknow> lol
[16:35] <dontknow> are you also developer of ubuntu?
[16:36] <oCean> how is that relevant?
[16:36] <bazhang> dontknow, you are using mint packages, better get help with them
[16:36] <dontknow> bazhang, i am not using mint, using ubuntu with cinnamon, thats just it
[16:37] <bazhang> dontknow, cinnamon is not supported in ubuntu channels. recommending it is also offtopic in ubuntu channels
[16:37] <dontknow> oCean, i don't know, maybe you are also a developer who knows
[16:37] <dontknow> bazhang, it shouldn't be
[16:38] <dontknow> bazhang, and i didn't want support about it actually, i just suggested to a user didn't like lubuntu
[16:39] <bazhang> dontknow, it's not a debate.
[16:39] <bazhang> dontknow, if you dont wish to follow the channel guidelines, then you wont be allowed to use the ubuntu channels
[16:40] <dontknow> bazhang, could you take me out of this limbo?
[16:41] <dontknow> bazhang, do you have restriction for that?
[16:41] <bazhang> dontknow, you need to follow the channel guidelines
[16:42] <dontknow> bazhang, ok ok got it. i have a liriminal record now
[16:42] <bazhang> ?
[16:43] <dontknow> this is like i am guilty and you are the bad cop and good cop, what the hell? :D
[16:44] <dontknow> no no this is more like a limbo, yes
[16:44] <Tm_T> no point
[16:45] <bazhang> thanks Tm_T
[16:45] <dontknow> :D hey
[16:46] <Tm_T> dontknow: so, you're here to discuss your ban, not for making jokes, or other activity
[16:46] <dontknow> Tm_T, ok, i will discuss, but i hope you will take it serious
[16:47] <Tm_T> I am taking it very seriously
[16:48] <dontknow> Tm_T, an user told that didn't like lubuntu and prefers ubuntu, and i suggested him/her use cinnamon
[16:48] <Tm_T> dontknow: you understand that it's not allowed recommendation on #ubuntu?
[16:48] <Tm_T> we don't recommend or support cinnamon on #ubuntu
[16:49] <dontknow> Tm_T, i didn't know that you against it so strongly actually, it suprised me!
[16:50] <Tm_T> basicly, on #ubuntu we support what ubuntu supports
[16:50] <Tm_T> afterall, it is ubuntu support channel
[16:51] <dontknow> Tm_T, ok got it, but it is really interesting
[16:52] <dontknow> Tm_T, could you take this ban now, please?
[16:52] <Tm_T> dontknow: have you read our channel guidelines?
[16:53] <dontknow> Tm_T, no
[16:53] <Tm_T> please do
[16:53] <Tm_T> !guidelines | dontknow
[16:55] <dontknow> Tm_T, ok got it :D
[16:56] <Tm_T> dontknow: also, what do you do when you are uncertain of rules, or disagree when being told in channel?
[16:58] <dontknow> Tm_T, i will tell my ideas
[16:58] <Tm_T> in our support channel?
[16:58] <dontknow> Tm_T, i think unity is like a toy
[16:58] <dontknow> Tm_T, is it wrong to say that? it is my thoughts
[16:58] <Tm_T> dontknow: that has nothing to do with this discussion
[16:59] <oCean> dontknow: #ubuntu is for support, not general discussion
[16:59] <Tm_T> dontknow: also let's make this clear: such opinions don't belong to our support channels
[17:00] <dontknow> Tm_T, i told cinnamon is very stable on ubuntu, and mn(whatever) told me "i wasn't ask"
[17:00] <Tm_T> dontknow: cinnamon discussion doesn't belong to #ubuntu
[17:01] <Tm_T> if you want to rant about unity, do it in your blog or whatever
[17:01] <dontknow> Tm_T, it is not rant, it is really not useful actually
[17:02] <Tm_T> dontknow: that is your opinion
[17:02] <dontknow> Tm_T, yes
[17:02] <Tm_T> that's not ubuntu support
[17:02] <dontknow> Tm_T, ok i got the core what you are saying,  i see
[17:03] <Tm_T> so either provide ubuntu support on #ubuntu, or do your own thing in your own space
[17:04] <dontknow> Tm_T, if someone ask about cinnamon, no one should answer? i would answer if i know
[17:04] <AlanBell> !mint
[17:05] <AlanBell> is a suitable thing to do to direct people to a place where better support of cinamon can be provided
[17:05] <Tm_T> dontknow: you would tell them to go to a channel where cinnamon is supported, as AlanBell is pointing out
[17:06] <dontknow> Tm_T, why should i, after all i know the answer, i would answer them.
[17:06] <AlanBell> because nobody else knows if you are right or wrong
[17:06] <Tm_T> also it's offtopic
[17:06] <AlanBell> if we are supporting ubuntu then there is peer review of the support
[17:07] <AlanBell> if you are supporting something else in there it is noisy, and we can't assess the quality of the support
[17:08] <dontknow> AlanBell, are you checking every chat line?
[17:09] <dontknow> AlanBell, every support line
[17:09] <dontknow> i doubt it
[17:09] <AlanBell> dontknow: it would be great if we could get you back into #ubuntu providing support on Ubuntu
[17:10] <AlanBell> do you want to do that?
[17:10] <dontknow> AlanBell, yes, take back this ban, please
[17:12] <dontknow> AlanBell, but i am not approve that something open source is forbidden to chat about it
[17:13] <AlanBell> it is not forbidden, it is just off topic for that area, somewhat like discussing washing machine repairs in there would be
[17:14] <dontknow> AlanBell, i think it is not like that, but its ok, i would like to go back #ubuntu
[17:14] <dontknow> AlanBell, because i have had issues time to time
[17:15] <dontknow> and i am really getting help
[17:15] <AlanBell> it is a valuable resource, because it is focussed :)
[17:20] <dontknow> why am i still banned?
[17:20] <AlanBell> one sec dontknow
[17:21] <AlanBell> dontknow: please rejoin #ubuntu and continue providing and receiving quality support on *ubuntu*
[17:21] <dontknow> AlanBell, thanks
[17:22] <AlanBell> and please part this channel once you have successfully rejoined
[17:22] <dontknow> AlanBell, you mean #ubuntu-ops? do you want me to moderate :P
[17:23] <dontknow> *do you want me to as admin :P
[17:23] <AlanBell> one step at a time :)
[17:23] <AlanBell> we ask people not to idle here so we can resolve issues one at a time
[17:25] <dontknow> AlanBell, yes, i can join now
[17:25] <IdleOne> dontknow: Please /part this channel now.
[17:26] <dontknow> IdleOne, do you mean i should type "/part dontknow"
[17:26] <IdleOne> dontknow: I mean leave #ubuntu-ops
[17:27] <dontknow> IdleOne, lol i see, bye :)
[19:07] <bazhang> why is the floodbot flagging redviper like that
[19:18] <bazhang> not sure how much clearer I can be
[19:18] <bazhang> does ifconfig show eth0
[19:28] <mneptok> here's another issue today from dontknow. happened earlier than the off-topicness, and may be missed in the BT.
[19:29]  * mneptok pastes mildly
[19:29] <mneptok> 04:26 < dontknow> hd2400 with catalyst video performance sucks
[19:29] <mneptok> 04:27 < MonkeyDust> dontknow mind your language
[19:29] <mneptok> 04:39 < dontknow> MonkeyDust, shut up i know that you are troll
[19:29] <mneptok> so, short leash.
[19:30] <bazhang> oy vey
 Can someone help me convert xp to ubuntu? I downloaded the ISO i don't know how to mount it now :(


[22:24] <valorie> got three boxes from Ubuntu for LFNW - it's lookin' real.....
 Oh snap
 \o/
[22:29] <valorie> I took a photo of the boxes and will ask if it's safe to open 'em and how to return stuff come Monday
[22:45] <valorie> I'll CC the council with my reply email with attached photos
[22:46] <valorie> especially because they are labeled 1 of 4, 3 of 4, 4 of 4
[22:46] <valorie> no sign of another box
[22:46] <valorie> but maybe one is inside anotehr
[22:46] <valorie> another
[23:16] <arraybolt3> 2 of 4 will show up a week or two after you needed it


[14:44] <smartboyhw> Er, is there an update to the http://www.doadjustyourset.com/ blog for today?
[14:46] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, yes, coming soon
[15:17] <jhodapp> New weekly update is live: http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/08/20/ubuntu-tv-weekly-update-7/
[15:18] <jhodapp> feel free to pass the news around on social networks
[15:19] <smartboyhw> Thanks
[22:48] <tgm4883> mhall119, are you still working?
[22:48] <tgm4883> IDK what timezone you are in :/
[22:48] <mhall119> tgm4883: not technically
[22:48] <tgm4883> ok, I'll shoot you an email
[22:49] <tgm4883> have a question on UDS sponsor stuff
[22:49] <mhall119> thanks
[22:49] <tgm4883> np
[23:05] <mhall119> tgm4883: you have everything filled out
[23:05] <tgm4883> mhall119, heh, thanks
[23:06] <mhall119> np
[23:06] <tgm4883> you weren't suppose to be doing any more work tonight ;)
[23:06] <mhall119> that's never stopped me before ;)
[23:07] <mhall119> besides, a quick check on a sponsorship application is easy
[23:07] <tgm4883> thats good, I didn't want to be the reason you aren't enjoying your evening


[03:32] <DaskreecH> nixternal: read  the Suse blogs?
[05:31] <nixternal> DaskreecH: I read them every now and then..is there something I am missing?
[05:34] <DaskreecH> nixternal: 'http://www.suseblog.com/?p=342'
[05:34] <DaskreecH> No wait
[05:34] <DaskreecH> 'http://www.suseblog.com/?p=340'
[05:35] <nixternal> am I looking for something?
[05:37] <DaskreecH> Lotsa migrations
[05:37] <DaskreecH> Add jamaica to the list
[05:37] <nixternal> ahh, hehe
[06:26] <manchicken> w00t!  dadchicken and son http://manchicken.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2
[07:42] <Serega> hey hey hey!
[07:48] <Daskreech> hey heyhey
[07:49] <coreymon77> hi everybody!
[11:56] <\sh> moins
[15:04] <txwikinger> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/238322
[15:07] <\sh> txwikinger: he's CnC ;)
[15:21]  * Serega is returned from a picnic
[15:27] <Hobbsee> \o/
[15:28] <\sh> Hobbsee: good morning ;)
[15:28] <Hobbsee> heya \sh!
[15:28] <gnomefreak> too hot for picnic
[15:29] <Serega> gnomefreak: true :)
[15:29] <\sh> Hobbsee: 00:28?
[15:29] <Hobbsee> \sh: sorry?
[15:29] <Hobbsee> \sh: oh, yes.
[15:29] <\sh> Hobbsee: gotcha
[15:29] <Nightrose> yay - heavy rain just as i have to get rady to go out to watch football with friends \o/
[15:29] <\sh> Nightrose: bah..
[15:29] <Nightrose> exactly ;-)
[15:30]  * \sh already drank all beer from the fridge
[15:30] <Nightrose> hope it gets better until i have to leave
[15:30] <Hobbsee> \sh: i just wrote up http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/25416211.html for posterity.
[15:31] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: rofl...
[15:31] <Nightrose> you have some great costumers there ;-)
[15:31] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: yes.... :)
[15:31] <\sh> Hobbsee: hmmmmm....sounds a bit like sru
[15:32] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: that has been the most outlandish thing i've seen, so far.
[15:32] <Hobbsee> \sh: sru?
[15:32] <\sh> Hobbsee: the discussion right now of upgrading motu-sru team...
[15:32] <\sh> everything is going tooooo fast
[15:33] <Hobbsee> \sh: ahhh.  i've not been watching it
[15:33] <\sh> anyways.../me is watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W9diAwzixg and thinking: hopefully noone ever will know about it
[15:34] <Nightrose> \sh: and the best way to acchieve that is to post it here? :P
[15:34] <Serega> how extragear software must be packaged for intrepid? with no -kde4? to /usr ?
[15:35] <\sh> Serega: 1. extragear needs to be stable
[15:35] <\sh> Serega: 2. yes somehow
[15:35] <Serega> \sh: hm... Riddell told me to package it from here: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.0.80/src/extragear/
[15:35] <\sh> Nightrose: I meant "noone german will know...."
[15:36] <Serega> ok
[15:36] <\sh> Serega: that's not stable..it's beta...and mostly doesn't work..you should check trunk
[15:38]  * Serega wants just to adapt current hardy package for intrepid, to figure out what is it at all
[15:39]  * Serega is a bit confused
[15:40] <Serega> should it be a new version of kcoloredit and kcoloredit-kde4 must be buried?
[15:40] <\sh> Serega: /me is on crack^Wtrunk ;)
[15:40] <Serega> :)
[15:40]  * Serega is on beeeeer
[15:41] <Serega> will we supply KDE3 versions of that stuff? and how it must be packaged if yes? I guess as -kde3 to /usr/kde3
[15:41] <Serega> doh...
[15:42] <Nightrose> Serega: kde 3 stuff should be replaced by kde 4 where possible
[15:42] <Nightrose> so kde 4 programms install as updates for kde 3 ones
[15:42] <Serega> Nightrose: oh, good, thank you
[15:42] <vorian> speaking of which ...
[15:43]  * vorian needs to update ktorrent
[16:50] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:52] <txwikinger> hi nixternal
[16:53] <RameTux> evening :D
[17:00] <yuriy> morning
[17:08] <etretyak> hi everyone
[17:24] <ryanakca> Should I delete debian's kmplayer-common from our package (since we use kmplayer-base), or do I leave it?
[17:35] <Sarisel> This the right channel for KDevelop?
[18:36] <nixternal> why do fonts for Konsole/Yakuake suck?
[18:36] <nixternal> I can't find that perfect font
[18:43] <etretyak> nixternal: what do you mean? are they look blurry?
[18:44] <etretyak> nixternal: or Full Hint style ?
[18:46] <nixternal> some are blurry...I have messed with sizes, hinting, and smoothing
[18:46] <nixternal> Consolas is about the best I can find for my setup thus far
[18:46] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: do we have the kde4 bindings yet? I need to prepare for the tutorial day :P
[18:46] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: they don't build
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> bleh
[18:47] <nixternal> issue with Smoke and DOM::Element iirc
[18:47] <nixternal> I will look at that now
[18:49] <Sarisel> How to compile for 64-bit with g++ ?
[18:50] <nixternal> like you would with 32-bit
[18:51] <Sarisel> Have Kdevelop and 64-bit Kubuntu Hardy installed
[18:52] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: can't you just do one set of bindings at a time?
[19:35]  * Serega waves to etretyak
[19:41]  * etretyak waves Serega too
[19:43] <Serega> nixternal: ping
[19:50]  * Serega want to get intrepid already...
[21:41] <ryanakca> Could a Kubuntu devel review bug #230830 please?
[22:01]  * apachelogger got a new graphics card
[22:01] <apachelogger> hm
[22:01] <apachelogger> jeez
[22:01]  * apachelogger gives mhb a whole bag filled with cookies
[22:01] <apachelogger> jockey is tha usefullest
[22:02] <apachelogger> *x restart*
[22:04] <apachelogger> even works
[22:09] <ryanakca> hurra :)


[17:16] <funabashi> Hi if i want access my Uubntu machine fro a Win machine. Which RDP tool is best for that ?
[17:51] <rfm> funabashi, does it have to be the actual best?  I haven't tried every combination so I can't say what is best (or even what's best for me, which might not be best for you.)
[17:52] <funabashi> rfm: yeah but please someonee maybe can recommedn me
[17:54] <rfm> funabashi, I was able to get the combination of Microsoft's Remote Desktop connection on Windows and xrdp on Ubuntu to work, but I use Xubuntu (Xfce4), not gnome, and I had to edit /etc/xrdp/startwm.sh to run /usr/bin/startxfce4 instead of /etc/X11/Xsession to get it to work.


[00:58] <ahoneybun> mhall119, still kicking?
[01:23] <ahoneybun> mm I can't use PageHeader, ToolbarItems or anything
[01:23] <ahoneybun> they just don't exist to the SDK
[01:56] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, check your manifest
[01:56] <ahoneybun> for?
[01:57] <ahoneybun> framework?
[01:58] <ahayzen> yah
[01:59] <ahoneybun> I've changed it to them all and no luck
[01:59] <ahoneybun> g2g
[01:59] <ahoneybun> right now it is ubuntu-sdk-15.04-qml
[01:59] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, that is old
[01:59] <ahoneybun> which one?
[01:59] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~music-app-dev/music-app/trunk/view/head:/manifest.json.in#L4
[02:00] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-15.04.3-qml", is the latest
[02:00] <ahayzen> that is in "stable"
[02:00] <ahoneybun> same error
[02:00] <ahoneybun> cannot assign to non-existent property "tools"
[02:00] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, you have done an import Ubuntu.Components 1.3 ?
[02:00] <ahoneybun> yea
[02:01]  * ahayzen hasn't actually used that component yet but plans to later in the week
[02:01] <ahoneybun> funny that line is underlined red though
[02:01] <ahoneybun> is usually bad
[02:01] <ahoneybun> g2g
[02:01] <ahayzen> ahoneybun, is "tools" even a thing? https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.1/Ubuntu.Components.PageHeader/
[02:02] <ahoneybun>  tools: ToolbarItems {
[09:41] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Plimsoll Day! 😃
[12:00] <popey> renatu: when you get a moment could you resolve the conflicts in https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix-add-guest-search-field/+merge/284121 ?
[12:00] <popey> dbarth: got any ideas on a test plan for https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/ubuntu-calendar-app/push-helper/+merge/280697 ? :)
[12:01] <renatu> popey, sure
[12:01] <popey> thanks renatu
[13:20] <dbarth> popey: hey
[13:20] <popey> yo
[13:20] <dbarth> popey: mostly i create an event and set a reminder 5 min. in the future
[13:20] <popey> ok, nice and simple then
[13:20] <popey> I'll give it some testing on device here
[13:20] <popey> thanks
[13:21] <dbarth> then i check the indicators plays it; then i move that 2 min. turn off notification in system settings > notifications > calendar app
[13:21] <dbarth> and check that it won't play
[13:21] <dbarth> and then i use the clock to set an alarm, and confirm that the alarm fires event if notifications are off
[13:23] <popey> ok
[13:30] <renatu> popey, conflicts solved
[13:41] <popey> thanks renatu


[00:40] <tiox> How to confuse your peers with Pidgin;
[00:40] <tiox> 1) Use Windows
[00:40] <tiox> 2) Make a directory with an NB-space
[00:40] <tiox> 3) Try to have your friends launch Pidgin with your profile
[00:40] <tiox> 4) Cry tears of laughter.
[00:40] <tiox> Seriously I was flummoxed until I used... wait for it... 8.3 notation for the directory with a space. Thank #%^& for that.
[00:51] <alanmate1604> good evening
[01:42] <tiox> I need somebody to open TeamViewer so I can connect to them and show a problem I am having.
[01:43] <tiox> Because here is some funky madness for you; I am trying to cchage my cursor right? Did everything my thread said per other people's responses; https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/6878
[01:43] <tiox> My mouse cursor is still screwed. But when I try to screencap the problem, it appears right when it really isn't.
[04:58] <walrider> :)
[04:58] <walrider> helo all good morning
[04:59] <ouroumov> hello walrider
[05:00] <walrider> today is my 1st day at ubuntu mate
[05:00] <walrider> oh ho ouroumov
[05:00] <walrider> hi
[05:00] <ouroumov> You mean using the OS or here in the community? x)
[05:01] <walrider> both :D
[05:01] <ouroumov> Welcome then :]
[05:02] <walrider>        thanks :)
[05:02] <walrider> now im downloading steam gotta play some call of duty on linux xD
[05:03] <Gallomimia> try Nuclear Dawn ;)
[05:03] <walrider> i have ND
[05:03] <walrider> i have ND on my lib
[05:03] <Gallomimia> oh great
[05:04] <Gallomimia> well, it's only really active in north-american mornings, when the euro players are also awake
[05:04] <walrider> steam/walrider add me ther
[05:04] <walrider> there
[05:04] <Gallomimia> also Gallomimia
[05:04] <walrider> ok no prblm after updating done
[05:04] <Gallomimia> uh.... there are 202 walriders :P
[05:04] <walrider> i was wondering how to play lol
[05:05] <walrider> league of legends
[05:05] <Gallomimia> well, there's a simple formula that is impossibly difficult to apply
[05:05] <walrider> steam.com/walrider < link is directly url to my profile
[05:05] <Gallomimia> priorities: 1. defend your team's structures. 2. capture resource points. 3. attack the enemy
[05:06] <walrider> i know how to play lol but i need to now whot to run lol on linux
[05:06] <walrider> wine / playonlinux ?
[05:06] <walrider> how ?
[05:06] <Gallomimia> no.
[05:06] <Gallomimia> it's native
[05:07] <walrider> hmm
[05:07] <Gallomimia> step one: install steam. step two: click play
[05:07] <walrider> steam in cross platform thanks to lord gaben :O :D
[05:07] <Gallomimia> indeed
[05:07] <Gallomimia> the steam machines were what did it
[05:07] <walrider> yes yes yes :D
[05:08] <walrider> hmm
[05:08] <walrider> those are expensive guts
[05:08] <walrider> 700-900$
[05:08] <Gallomimia> valve actually came out and told their devs prior to the steam machine announcements "it would be a pretty good idea going forward to support both linux and big-picture"
[05:08] <Gallomimia> overpriced guts.
[05:08] <walrider> yep
[05:08] <Gallomimia> my desktop is worth more than double that. plays way better
[05:08] <Gallomimia> tip: everything looks better at 2560x1440
[05:08] <Gallomimia> *EVERYTHING*
[05:09] <walrider> hwo much fps on csgo  ?
[05:09] <Gallomimia> 60
[05:09] <walrider> max ?
[05:09] <Gallomimia> well, i haven't tried it yet
[05:09] <Gallomimia> but other games with similar engines, yes
[05:09] <walrider> ok np
[05:09] <walrider> i get it
[05:09] <Gallomimia> gtx780Ti
[05:10] <walrider> one of my nerd is fond of sakura cliker :3
[05:10] <walrider> nerd friend
[05:10] <walrider> :3
[05:10] <Gallomimia> the model numbers don't mean jack. look at the specs
[05:10] <Gallomimia> haha yeah i've heard of that
[05:10] <Gallomimia> it looks nice
[05:10] <Gallomimia> i mean, when its dark and i feel lonely
[05:10] <walrider> hentai xD
[05:10] <walrider> xD
[05:10] <walrider> ill install hero siege
[05:10] <walrider> and ND
[05:11] <walrider> and css
[05:11] <Gallomimia> i prefer to install all the games i can run
[05:11] <walrider> and rainbow six vegas 2 if available for linux
[05:11] <Gallomimia> nice!
[05:11] <Gallomimia> i'd like to pick that one up
[05:11] <Gallomimia> haven't had much budget for games lately
[05:11] <walrider> vegas 2 ?
[05:11] <Gallomimia> right now i'm playing one called Factorio
[05:11] <Gallomimia> amazingly fun.
[05:11] <Gallomimia> graphics aren't much to write home about. it's sprite based 2d
[05:12] <Gallomimia> but... there can be 60 000 sprites on screen at a time
[05:12] <Gallomimia> so it does need some power and some vram
[05:12] <walrider> my invest for games is 0.00$ and i own 35-40 game including csgo that i cant run on 1.6ghz dual core laptop xD
[05:12] <walrider> RIP ME xD
[05:12] <Gallomimia> hah
[05:12] <Gallomimia> well that's pretty decent
[05:12] <Gallomimia> i'm really afraid to find out how much i spent on my steam account :(
[05:13] <walrider> 40 fps in lol
[05:13] <Gallomimia> i was going to go thru the banking records but i told one bank to stuff their client card right up their...
[05:13] <walrider> its fine for me
[05:13] <Gallomimia> so, now i can't get those records
[05:13] <walrider> ah sad
[05:13] <Gallomimia> ah yes. well, my desktop is packed away for now
[05:13] <walrider> wc
[05:13] <walrider> oh
[05:13] <Gallomimia> i'm on a 13" laptop
[05:14] <walrider> 11.13 am now my exam will start at 2.00 pm
[05:14] <Gallomimia> really hard to go back to after the beast
[05:14] <Gallomimia> might as well Q a few downloads and do a bit of review
[05:14] <Gallomimia> what subject?
[05:14] <walrider> entreprenureship
[05:15] <walrider> but im student od computer science xD
[05:15] <walrider> of*
[05:15] <walrider> 7 semester final exam
[05:16] <walrider> we have 8 semester in a diploma on our country
[05:16] <walrider> 7 semester study and last semester internship
[05:19] <walrider> add sent
[05:23] <walrider> wc
[05:27] <walrider> anyone here?
[05:28] <walrider> im getting this error after installing steam // Running Steam on ubuntu 15.10 32-bit
[05:28] <walrider> STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
[05:28] <walrider> [2016-06-16 11:27:09] Startup - updater built Jun 14 2016 23:23:08
[05:28] <walrider> SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred
[05:28] <walrider> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[05:28] <walrider>  //
[05:40] <walrider> fixed it
[06:15] <walrider>   /join bangladesh
[06:21] <walrider> wc
[06:42] <ahmad> hi
[06:43] <ahmad> hello every one
[12:15] <Hypatia11> uygyug'
[14:07] <NeedHelpHere> Hi all i love this distro
[14:09] <NeedHelpHere> i'm about to install lastest Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS Once i done installing i just updated and ready to go ? or there is else i need to add or do?
[14:09] <Akuli> Not really
[14:10] <Akuli> I like to turn on the firewall on my computers, but i'm not sure if its needed or not
[14:10] <NeedHelpHere> thanks Akuli  is amazing i love Mate
[14:10] <Akuli> if  you want to be sure you can run 'sudo ufw enable' on a terminal
[14:11] <NeedHelpHere> so we get 100% identical to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS just with Mate looks right?
[14:12] <Akuli> it also comes with different programs, but that should be it for the differences
[14:12] <Akuli> so if you find some instructions for ubuntu 16.04 they'll work on your system
[14:12] <NeedHelpHere> can you tell me wich differences they are in programs ? also i would like to know if it has the icon like linux mint that tells you that system is up to date?
[14:12] <Akuli> oh that
[14:12] <Akuli> i hate linux mint's update manager :D
[14:13] <NeedHelpHere> well is usefull to know if system is update do we also have it?
[14:13] <NeedHelpHere> as i need to know if im uptodate like on windows
[14:13] <Akuli> you don't really need to worry about it
[14:13] <Akuli> just update it once a week or so and you're good to go :)
[14:14] <NeedHelpHere> thanks Akuli  but if i want to get a gui that tells me i heard is possible right how i do that?
[14:14] <Akuli> there should also be an update manager in the menu
[14:14] <Akuli> i've never actually used 16.04, so i don't know :)
[14:15] <NeedHelpHere> that's very cool as for anti rookiet and antivirus that opensuse has you think we don't need that also just ufv firewall gui right?
[14:15] <Akuli> sure, you can install a gui for ufw too
[14:15] <Akuli> its called gufw
[14:15] <Akuli> and thats it :)
[14:15] <NeedHelpHere> this mate is amazing i was waiting long time for it
[14:16] <NeedHelpHere> i heard also linux is immune to the ivisible pc the bogon who try connect hack your pc like on windows
[14:16] <NeedHelpHere> is this true?
[14:16] <Akuli> well
[14:16] <Akuli> windows is pretty hard to hack into if you haven't disabled its firewall
[14:16] <Akuli> same thing here :)
[14:17] <NeedHelpHere> actually metasploit can hack windows in few minutes
[14:17] <NeedHelpHere> any windows
[14:18] <NeedHelpHere> as all systems got backdoors nsa implanted to controll spy you and buggy so i think is very easy you diden't know of metasploit?
[14:19] <NeedHelpHere> to not speak of windows 10 that is a backdoor for nsa it's self i read
[14:19] <NeedHelpHere> you think windows is safe Akuli ?
[14:19] <Akuli> i use windows 7 without an antivirus, but i update it
[14:20] <Akuli> seriously though, viruses come in through your web browser
[14:20] <Akuli> if you keep that updated and you don't use flash you're safe
[14:25] <NeedHelpHere> Thanks for info are we safe from metasploit and nsa hacks and backdoors on Ubuntu Akuli ?
[14:25] <Akuli> well, much safer than windows :)
[14:26] <Akuli> NeedHelpHere, if you want to know more read this, ubuntu is basically a gnu operating system https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.en.html
[14:27] <NeedHelpHere> Thanks
[14:27] <Akuli> its basically all the worst things about windows and microsoft collected to one place :)
[14:28] <NeedHelpHere> i got last question i have a friend who is study pc science to become ethickal hacker
[14:29] <NeedHelpHere> he told me we can use backbox linux wich is Ubuntu as main os also is this tue?
[14:29] <NeedHelpHere> true*
[14:29] <Akuli> you mean, hack into or from ubuntu?
[14:30] <NeedHelpHere> no i mean this distro for pen testers called backbock linux that unlike kali parrots os and all other pen testing linux distros is Ubuntu latest with all updates
[14:30] <NeedHelpHere> he says we can use backbox if someone wants as main desktop os is that true?
[14:30] <Akuli> your distro choice doesn't really change anything
[14:30] <Akuli> you can install the same programs on any distro
[14:32] <NeedHelpHere> some hacker distros are not safe to install as main os as they run as root
[14:33] <NeedHelpHere> so you saying once you remove root they all can be installed as main os like backbox ?
[14:35] <NeedHelpHere> https://www.quora.com/How-is-good-is-BackBox-Linux-for-use-on-a-day-to-day-basis
[14:35] <NeedHelpHere> ok i find answer :l
[14:35] <NeedHelpHere> thanks you know this Ubuntu based distro Akuli ?
[14:35] <Akuli> no, i don't
[14:36] <Akuli> like i said, you can turn any distro into anything you want
[14:38] <NeedHelpHere> nice this one i like mate is perfect
[14:48] <NeedHelpHere> see you later Akuli  thanks for the info
[16:12] <danut> a
[16:12] <danut> heyo
[16:12] <danut> anyone here?
[16:39] <Bomber4Chats> How/Where can I download more MATE Tweak panels?
[16:40] <Bomber4Chats> I'm coming from Kubuntu with KDE Plasma 5 and I really enjoyed the start menu they had there. In U-Mate, the openSUSE option looks the closest, but the search option in the start menu isn't the same as in plasma
[16:40] <Bomber4Chats> kinda looking for that :-/
[16:40] <Bomber4Chats> or just simply to discover new panel options
[16:40] <Bomber4Chats> Or should I revert to installing a different distro?
[16:44] <Bomber4Chats> yo
[18:29] <Walrider> wcback
[18:47] <BigBoss> Hello!
[18:49] <BigBoss> A question: is there any difference between getting Ubuntu-Mate distro from ubuntu-mate.org and getting Ubuntu from ubuntu.com and then replace Unity with Mate via package download?
[18:52] <BigBoss> Pregunta: ¿Hay alguna diferencia entre obtener Ubuntu-Mate desde ubuntu-mate.og y obtener ubuntu de ubuntu.com y luego descargar e instalar los paquetes de mate desde el repositorio?
[18:57] <Akuli> BigBoss, removing all the unity crap will be hard if you download the unity ubuntu first
[18:57] <Akuli> other than that should be about the same
[19:03] <teward> BigBoss: you save yourself a massive headache by just downloading the Ubuntu Mate installer ISO
[19:04] <BigBoss> oh, ok. I'm running Ubuntu 14.04lts now on my pc and i replace unity with mate following the tutorial from ubuntu-mate.org. Now I've installed ubuntu 16.04lts on my notebook and i was thinking reinstall the OS and replace it with mate. I'm doubting if just install the mate packages or downloading iso of Ubuntu-Mate and reinstall all again
[19:04] <BigBoss> Do you recomend me reinstalling?
[19:05] <Akuli> probably a good idea, and if you simply copy /home/yourusername somewhere you can add all your settings and files to the new install easily
[19:06] <Akuli> just copy everything back, be sure to include hidden files. you can view/hide them by pressing Ctrl+H
[19:08] <BigBoss> Ok. Thanks. I will do that. I just hate the dock on the left and all the graphical resources waisted. Love Mate.
[19:08] <BigBoss> Thanks all for the help
[20:19] <walrider> gallomimia ?
[20:19] <Gallomimia> hi
[20:20] <walrider> cs source 4.6 GB :S
[20:20] <walrider> for linux
[20:20] <walrider> for windows 2GB i think
[20:20] <walrider> do you have source ?
[20:29] <chaotix> hello..  in the mate desktop, there are some themes that do not work with compiz that do under other marco.  from what i can gather it has to do with the contents of the metacity folder inside the theme folder
[20:29] <chaotix> i was thinking maybe it has to do with the xml files
[20:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Hey, it's chaotix !
[20:30] <chaotix> does anyone have any input on how to make a theme compatible with compiz?
[20:30] <chaotix> hey, it's SonikkuAmerica
[20:30] <chaotix> :)
[20:30] <chaotix> long time!
[20:30] <SonikkuAmerica> indeed
[20:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Some things don't work with Compiz, you say...
[20:31] <chaotix> yes..  specifically a theme called flattastic..  the metacity window borders wont load..
[20:31] <chaotix> i was wondering maybe if it is because of the type and contents of the xl files
[20:31] <chaotix> xml
[20:33] <SonikkuAmerica> lol, the "XL" files
[20:33] <SonikkuAmerica> I have no idea; I'm on GNOME 3.20 :P
[20:33] <chaotix> lol
[20:34] <chaotix> how are you liking it?
[20:34] <SonikkuAmerica> It's great; Arch is great; systemd is great; PlayOnLinux is great; etc.
[20:34] <chaotix> i was using unity for the longest time as my go to, and it still is probably my go to, but i dont have a unity desktop installed on anything right now...  i have been pretty happy with mate and compiz
[20:35] <chaotix> its like i went back to 2010
[20:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Ah, 10.04
[20:35] <SonikkuAmerica> we all dream of those days
[20:35] <chaotix> they are back with mate!
[20:37] <chaotix> i was in kubuntu for about a month, too...  i just got so sick of the gtk3 titlebars
[20:37] <chaotix> themes look so much better when there is a title bar in my opinion...
[20:39] <chaotix> i am curious to try gnome 3.20, i just got a touch screen laptop and i want to see how good the functionality compares to windows 10
[20:47] <labyrinths> Hello.
[20:47] <labyrinths> Anyone else get a Firewall Config update today?
[20:51] <ouroumov> labyrinths, yes
[20:51] <labyrinths> What's it for?
[20:52] <labyrinths> Upgrade: gufw:amd64 (16.04.1-0ubuntu1, 16.04.1-0ubuntu1.1)
[20:52] <labyrinths> You got this?
[20:54] <ouroumov> I don't know, I was watching the GUI version of the updater
[20:54] <ouroumov> Hang on a sec
[20:57] <ouroumov> Damn this shitty wifi
[20:57] <ouroumov> labyrinths, have you done the upgrade yet?
[20:58] <labyrinths> Yes.
[20:58] <labyrinths> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/gufw
[20:59] <labyrinths> Found it there.
[20:59] <ouroumov> Right, also phased update
[21:00] <ouroumov> Okay my other machine has the update
[21:03] <ouroumov> ...
[21:03] <ouroumov> Well
[21:03] <ouroumov> nevermind
[21:04] <ouroumov> He'll probably able to find out it was a bug fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gui-ufw/+bug/1573567 on his own
[21:13] <fifty-sevenC> Yo yo yo. Wassup homies?
[21:20] <nirux> hello anyone on that can help me with an issue i have?
[21:21] <bekks> nirux: that strongly depends on your issue :)
[21:21] <nirux> Is this the proper channel to discuss help issues?
[21:21] <bekks> Yes.
[21:22] <nirux> I'm on Ubuntu MATE and my brightness and battery applets have a red exclamation symbol on them
[21:24] <nirux> and i get a crash on mate-power-manager
[21:34] <fifty-sevenC> He must have crashed
[23:27] <mate|43204> Anyone have experience with UM on Banana PI board?
[23:32] <nomic> no, but on a pi
[23:32] <nomic> what is your problem
[23:33] <mate|43204> Well, I'm considering a Banaa PI
[23:34] <mate|43204> I just wanted to know if UM would run on a B-PI


[01:31] <Roguehorse> Hello
[01:31] <ianorlin> hi
[01:32] <Roguehorse> my first meeting with you guys......
[01:32] <ianorlin> starts in nearly half an hour
[01:32] <pleia2> welcome Roguehorse
[01:32] <Roguehorse> pleia2: Lyz right?
[01:32] <rww> hihi
[01:33] <Roguehorse> rww: Hey
[01:34] <Roguehorse> How many here going to be in SF?
[01:34]  * ianorlin is Torrance so a little far
[01:34] <rww> me and pleia2 will be
[01:34] <Roguehorse> cool
[01:35] <arrith> my friend and i should be
[01:35] <Roguehorse> I have a Web Builder group on Wed.... Then SF Thur
[01:35] <Roguehorse> arrith: Good deal
[01:35] <arrith> there was something about an installfest possibly happening, but something about that only being at mozilla and it's not being held at mozilla..?
[01:36] <rww> arrith: there's an installfest in socal. I don't know of another one that got past the "we should think about doing this" stage
[01:36] <Roguehorse> arrith: ?? Hmm....dk
[01:36] <arrith> rww: how far into socal..?
[01:36] <rww> orange county
[01:36] <arrith> the further you go the more you have to pay off those dang cartels
[01:36] <arrith> hm
[01:37] <arrith> i forget if that's claimed territory
[01:37] <arrith> potential roadtrip though
[01:38] <ianorlin> it is at cal state fullerton
[01:43] <Roguehorse> Everyone already do the upgrade?
[01:43]  * ianorlin was testing 14.04 lubuntu on external hard drives then I just upgraded the one on my intenral hard drive on laptop
[01:45] <Roguehorse> It came through one morning fopr me on startup, and I just went with it.
[01:46] <Roguehorse> Seems to be ok, but now my Mint in VM is acting funky. Not sure why.
[01:50] <Roguehorse> I upgraded VB GE hoping that would help, but not that I can tell. I winder if it's the change in graphics drivers?
[01:50] <pleia2> Roguehorse: your n7 needs one of these! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ED3KMRQ/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[01:50] <darthrobot> Title: [Amazon.com: Blurex Ultra-Slim Case for Nexus Tabet -- With Smart Cover Auto Wake / Sleep Feature Nexus 7 FHD Gen II (Tangelo): Computers & Accessories]
[01:50] <pleia2> I will show you on thursday, it's lovely
[01:51] <Roguehorse> pleia2: I don't have one of those. I have an Acer A500
[01:52] <lrcaballero> Hello everyone and good evening!
[01:53] <Roguehorse> lrcaballero: Hi
[01:54] <pleia2> Roguehorse: oops, I meant rww!
[01:54] <pleia2> darn tab completion, sorry :)
[01:55] <pleia2> Roguehorse: I'll show you on thursday anyway, since it'll be attached to my tablet ;)
[01:56] <pleia2> which I'll be letting folks play with
[01:57] <Roguehorse> pleia2: LOL! No worries....sounds good
[01:58] <Roguehorse> I'm thinking about flashing my old A500 for Ubuntu but I don't know if it can handle it
[01:58] <Roguehorse> it's running ICS 4.0.1 now
[01:59] <pleia2> yeah, I've only tried it on officially supported devices
[01:59]  * ianorlin doesn't even have a smartphone or tablet
[01:59] <Roguehorse> ianorlin: sorry.....to be honest, I don't use my tablet much but my 4yr old son loves it
[02:00] <Roguehorse> <a little too much> if you know what I mean?
[02:00] <ianorlin> no I don't really want one
[02:00] <pleia2> ok, meeting time!
[02:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:00] <darthrobot> Meeting started Mon Apr 21 02:00:34 2014 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[02:00] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14April20
[02:00] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/14April20 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:00] <pleia2> really just the release party stuff :)
[02:01] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting?
[02:01] <nhaines> _o/
[02:01] <ianorlin> o/
[02:01] <lrcaballero> o/
[02:01] <eps> o/
[02:01] <pleia2> #topic 14.04 Release event planning
[02:02] <pleia2> so things are coming together here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/TrustyRelease
[02:02] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/TrustyRelease - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:02] <rww> o/
[02:02] <Roguehorse> o/
[02:02] <pleia2> I don't see philip here now, but he's hosting a little Ubuntu Hour-esque get together in San Diego on Thursday: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2765-ubuntu-san-diego-1404-release-party/
[02:02] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu San Diego 14.04 Release Party | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:03] <pleia2> I've been working with folks to get the San Francisco event to come together: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/TrustyRelease/SanFrancisco
[02:03] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/TrustyRelease/SanFrancisco - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:03] <pleia2> we'll have three Nexus 7s running Ubuntu for folks to check out :D
[02:03] <rww> How does the SD release party time work when the place it's at closes at 11:30?
[02:03] <raevol> ack a little late,  but here!
[02:03] <rww> post-starbucks bar time?
[02:04] <pleia2> rww: hah, good question (for philip)
[02:04] <nhaines> Yeah, the party ends a couple hours after that Starbucks closes.  Something to track.
[02:04] <nhaines> Oh hey, I should read the entire scrollback.  But yes.
[02:05] <pleia2> :)
[02:05] <rww> anyways, San Francisco
[02:05] <pleia2> we have a lot of signups
[02:05] <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2761-san-francisco-trusty-release-party/
[02:05] <darthrobot> Title: [San Francisco Trusty Release Party | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:05] <pleia2> more than we've had for an event before, I'm impressed :)
[02:05] <pleia2> (and a little scared)
[02:05] <rww> hehe :)
[02:06] <pleia2> the venue has that URL to track RSVPs, so they know what's coming, I'll follow up directly with them to make sure all is in order
[02:06] <rww> what's left on the todo list?
[02:06] <Roguehorse> What's the parking like around there and how close to BART?
[02:06] <nhaines> That's good news.  :)
[02:06] <pleia2> Roguehorse: it's between Powell and Civic Center BART, very close
[02:06] <pleia2> Roguehorse: parking is awful, downtown and all
[02:06]  * rww is BARTing
[02:06] <Roguehorse> pleia2: BART it is!
[02:06]  * pleia2 recommends Powell :)
[02:07] <Roguehorse> pleia2: K, TY
[02:07] <nhaines> pleia2: if there's a massive turnout and everyone's using public transport, maybe you can get a special price at the bar.
[02:07] <pleia2> rww: todo list - I don't think anything
[02:07] <pleia2> nhaines: the venue is providing drinks already :)
[02:07] <nhaines> ooh  :)
[02:07] <rww> pleia2: food?
[02:07] <nhaines> rww: the important part is covered though.
[02:07] <pleia2> rww: I submitted a community funding request to Canonical for food
[02:07] <nhaines> Clever!
[02:08] <pleia2> it's landing on my credit card though, will submit receipts for reimbursement (hopefully they approve it!)
[02:08]  * nhaines crosses his fingers.
[02:08] <Roguehorse> Ouch
[02:08] <pleia2> we'll order a bunch of pizzas from Extreme pizza probably should figure out what actually
[02:08] <nhaines> Make sure you get extra anchovies.
[02:08] <pleia2> we were going to do Costco pizzas, but logistics for getting hot pizzas to the venus is hard :\
[02:08] <nhaines> They get soggy, but pickles will add more crunch.
[02:09] <pleia2> I want folks to have fun, not be sending everyone out on pizza runs
[02:09] <nhaines> Please report back on that.
[02:09]  * rww glares at nhaines
[02:09] <pleia2> hah
[02:09] <rww> pleia2: did you get the quiz sorted out :D?
[02:09]  * rww is trying to think of things to do
[02:09] <pleia2> rww: haven't even started :)
[02:09] <Roguehorse> Pizza works, easy. Trash can be a bugger though.
[02:09] <pleia2> rww: I can create a google doc and we can collaborate on questions if you want
[02:10] <rww> pleia2: woohoo. works for me
[02:10] <Roguehorse> pleia2: Smart idea
[02:10] <rww> btw, i'll be leaving work at 4:30 so i'll be there a bit after it starts
[02:10] <rww> do you need volunteers to help set up, or is it minimal setup?
[02:10] <pleia2> rww: PM me your email address for sharing goog docs?
[02:10] <pleia2> rww: might need setup volunteers to make sure we have cords and things run properly
[02:11] <pleia2> rww: if you could also bring the SCaLE stuff, we might use some of that
[02:11] <rww> pleia2: sure
[02:11] <eps> Roguehorse: There is paid parking at the Fifth and Mission garage. See http://sfpark.org/
[02:11] <darthrobot> Title: [SFpark]
[02:11] <Roguehorse> I would help set up but have to wait for a sitter before I can go.
[02:11] <pleia2> eps: thanks!
[02:12] <Roguehorse> eps: Thanks, I'll go BART though.
[02:12] <pleia2> I have jyo coming by my place to help me haul over goodies too, 3 laptops and snacks from Costco (meeting eps at Costco the night before to pick up cookies and things)
[02:13] <pleia2> I'll firm up what time we want to meet for setup, event starts at 6:00 so getting there by 5:30 for setup seems fine
[02:13]  * ianorlin wonders if laptops will run out of power or if they are plugs?
[02:13] <pleia2> ianorlin: I've packed a power strip, but I should ask about actual access to power :)
[02:14] <Roguehorse> Has anyone checked the weather forcast? Just for giggles if anything else.
[02:14] <pleia2> I have my little presentation prepped too, only like 10 minutes long (and will crib from nhaines' as well once that's around)
[02:14]  * pleia2 never looks at weather forecasts
[02:14]  * eps wonders about the wisdom of bringing touchscreens to an event where everyone's likely to have greasy fingers
[02:14] <pleia2> haha
[02:14] <Roguehorse> eps: LOL!!!!!
[02:14] <Roguehorse> good call
[02:14] <rww> yeah, I was bothered about that. figure i can just clean it off at the end of the evening though :P
[02:15]  * pleia2 makes sign "please wipe pizza grease off hands before fondling tablets" :P
[02:15] <Roguehorse> have packets of wipes EVERYWHERE!
[02:15] <pleia2> haha, not a bad idea
[02:15] <eps> +1
[02:15] <pleia2> eps: haz wipes at costco? :)
[02:15] <Roguehorse> get a case of baby wipes
[02:16] <pleia2> alright, cool
[02:16] <Roguehorse> ok, maybe a case is much
[02:16] <pleia2> hehe
[02:16] <lrcaballero> If someone can bring a couple of microfiber towels can help with the graese part...Costco sells 30 of them for like $18
[02:17] <Roguehorse> lrcaballero: Good thought, but the microfibers can't be tossed
[02:17] <nhaines> Fry's had 4 for $5.  Might be more economical for just one night.
[02:17] <nhaines> Roguehorse: you wash them.  :)
[02:17] <Roguehorse> nhaines: but that many people at once?
[02:17] <eps> I should just look for Wet-Naps. (Smart and Final or Cash and Carry?)
[02:17] <lrcaballero> Roguehorse: save them, wash them and use them for the car...hehe!
[02:18] <Roguehorse> eh, bring em anyway
[02:18] <nhaines> eps: giant bottle of hydrogen peroxide.
[02:18] <pleia2> lol
[02:18] <Roguehorse> nhaines: LOL!!!
[02:18] <rww> cover the tablets in clingwrap
[02:18] <eps> nhaines: planning on removing blood stains?
[02:18] <Roguehorse> are we getting off topic?
[02:18] <Roguehorse> ; P
[02:18] <pleia2> ok, point taken about grease, I'll bring something along to handle it and remind attendees to be respectful
[02:19] <Roguehorse> pleia2: +1
[02:19] <nhaines> +1
[02:19] <pleia2> anything else we can think of?
[02:19]  * ianorlin has nothing else
[02:19] <rww> remember to install stallboard on your tablets
[02:20] <rww> for the ultimate ubuntu touch experience
[02:20] <Roguehorse> maybe extra cords in case some fool is mean and takes one?
[02:21] <nhaines> During the party?
[02:21] <raevol> power strips?
[02:21] <Roguehorse> idk, it was just a thought
[02:21] <Roguehorse> nah, interface
[02:21] <Roguehorse> no one is going to go for a PS cord
[02:22] <pleia2> rww: haha, I am trying to avoid it to avoid offending people :)
[02:22]  * pleia2 went with "random cats"
[02:22] <nhaines> cats! \o/
[02:22] <rww> pleia2: i have been terrorising elky with it
[02:22] <pleia2> lol
[02:23] <pleia2> this is shaping up nicely, I'm excited :)
[02:23] <rww> so am I :D
[02:23] <Roguehorse> agreed
[02:23] <pleia2> any other release party updates from anyone?
[02:23] <pleia2> s/party/event
[02:23] <rww> i was excited when it was 20 people, then i looked today and was wowed
[02:23] <Roguehorse> what r we @?
[02:23] <nhaines> I have some related forms I'll publish soon.
[02:23] <pleia2> 30 registered on the site, 6 emailed me directly, and 17 maybes
[02:24] <Roguehorse> not bad!
[02:24] <nhaines> We have a promotional flyer, an attendee datasheet based on the Installfest HOWTO forms...
[02:24] <raevol> u'll bug phil about the SD one
[02:24] <rww> do we have anything else going on apart from SF, SD, and the installfest at OCLUG?
[02:24] <pleia2> oh, I'm bringing "Hello, my name is" stickers too ;)
[02:24] <Roguehorse> this is going to be fun! : )
[02:24] <pleia2> nhaines: nice!
[02:24] <pleia2> rww: I think that's it
[02:24] <Roguehorse> pleia2: LOL! Always a fave
[02:24] <rww> any action items?
[02:24] <eps> We need "Hello, my nick is" stickers ;-)
[02:24] <nhaines> And best of all, the CSUF faculty are really excited, so I have a full-page "talking points" sheet that breaks down Ubuntu, Installfests, and OCLUG.
[02:25] <nhaines> So that'll be easy to adapt.  :)
[02:25] <Roguehorse> eps: Going to have to custom do those
[02:25] <pleia2> nhaines: that's awesome
[02:26] <Roguehorse> eps: http://www.vistaprint.com/
[02:26] <darthrobot> [R: www.vistaprint.com] Title: [Browsing's better with cookies enabled.]
[02:26] <nhaines> All Ubuntu color palette.  The LUG saw it this month and were really happy with them.
[02:26] <rww> i should get business cards one of these years
[02:26] <nhaines> Otherwise, the installfest is looking like it's going to be good.  So I'll keep everyone up to date.  :)
[02:26] <pleia2> \o/
[02:26] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[02:27] <pleia2> any other topics anyone wants to bring up?
[02:27] <Roguehorse> anyone have raffle prizes to donate?
[02:27] <raevol> texted phil, SD release party on for this thursday at 7pm, that venue should be open then
[02:28] <rww> raevol: yep, it's the ending time i was confused about
[02:28] <rww> since it ends at 1am and starbucks closes at 11:30pm
[02:28] <nhaines> Can we get that on the wiki or something?
[02:28] <raevol> i think that's if we stroll over to a more late-night oriented venue :p haha
[02:28] <rww> ah, okays :)
[02:28] <pleia2> so far the raffle prizes are:
[02:28] <pleia2>  * 1 Ubuntu Unleashed 2014 book
[02:28] <pleia2>  * 1 Official Ubuntu Server book
[02:28] <rww> nhaines: lyz just did
[02:28] <nhaines> yay
[02:28] <pleia2> if anyone else has new Ubuntu goodies to bring along as prizes, please do :)
[02:29] <pleia2> I also asked jono if he had anything to bring
[02:29] <eps> Do we know if he's coming?
[02:29] <pleia2> he is!
[02:29] <nhaines> pleia2: have him bring a Nexus 4 or something.
[02:29] <nhaines> Or the Official Ubuntu Book!
[02:29] <pleia2> nhaines: haha, for the raffle? :)
[02:29] <nhaines> pleia2: yes  :)
[02:29] <pleia2> Official Ubuntu Book is 7th edition and getting a bit long in the tooth :\
[02:29] <rww> then we can prank call mozilla on it
[02:31] <Roguehorse> I'm out of ideas
[02:31] <pleia2> hah, me too
[02:31] <pleia2> might be meeting end time :)
[02:31] <nhaines> Oh!  One thing.
[02:31] <Roguehorse> ??
[02:31] <nhaines> I put links to the OCLUG installfest documents on the mailing list on April 9th.  So far they're still the same.
[02:31] <pleia2> cool
[02:31] <nhaines> So if anyone wants printables for a release party, there's a start.
[02:32] <eps> pleia2: will we need cups, plates, tableware, etc.?
[02:32] <Roguehorse> eps: just wet wipes
[02:32] <pleia2> eps: I don't think so, but I'll doublecheck (and extreme can provide if needed)
[02:32] <Roguehorse> LOL!!
[02:32] <pleia2> definitely won't need cups
[02:33] <Roguehorse> of course not, we won't have any printers there
[02:34] <pleia2> :P
[02:34] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[02:34] <raevol> \o/
[02:34] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:34] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Apr 21 02:34:30 2014 UTC.
[02:34] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2014/ubuntu-us-ca.2014-04-21-02.00.moin.txt
[02:34] <nhaines> yay
[02:34] <lrcaballero> good night
[02:34] <Roguehorse> Good meeting!
[02:35] <pleia2> Roguehorse: thanks for coming :)
[02:36] <Roguehorse> No worries.....you guys are a cool crowd : P
[02:36] <Roguehorse> thanks for having me
[02:37] <nhaines> Roguehorse: you're always welcome!
[02:37] <Roguehorse> TY
[02:41] <Roguehorse> Anyone still around?
[02:42] <geom> Please don't tell me I missed the meeting again?
[02:42] <Roguehorse> geom: :P
[02:42] <Roguehorse> yep
[02:42] <Roguehorse> ended early
[02:43] <geom> OK, thanks.
[02:43] <Roguehorse> no worries
[02:43] <geom> Thanks.
[02:44] <ianorlin> minutes are  http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2014/ubuntu-us-ca.2014-04 │ eps
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[02:45] <geom> Great, thanks for the minutes.  Appreciate it.  \
[02:45] <ianorlin> argh messed up that link
[06:32] <nhaines> Yay, Cosmos tonight featured the Argonne National Laboratory.  That's my Ubuntu mirror.  :)
[07:11] <arrith> anl is so fast
[07:11] <arrith> love those guys
[07:11] <arrith> pleia2: what does helping move stuff entail? do you need car(s) or just people with hands/bags?
[07:12] <arrith> good to hear that jono is going to be there. i hope the event was annoucned on local LUG mailing lists
[16:41] <pleia2> arrith: just hands/bags :)
[16:41] <pleia2> arrith: and yes, it was announced to the local lists
[17:27] <pleia2> nhaines: happy birthday!
[21:38] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!  :D