[01:32] <diddledan_> humtetum
[02:40] <Monotoko> dedumdedum
[04:26] <mapps> hmm
[05:24] <daftykins> hey mapps
[05:26] <daftykins> Crucial's new MX100 512GB SSD is soooo cheap :O
[05:43] <MooDoo> moening all
[05:46] <ali1234> daftykins: yes i've been waiting for those to be released
[05:47] <MooDoo> how cheap is cheap
[05:47] <ali1234> yes, how cheap are they?
[05:47] <ali1234> i heard sub $0.50/gb
[05:48] <MooDoo> 167
[05:48] <daftykins> well, i only know in VAT free land terms
[05:49] <daftykins> http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/ssd
[05:49] <ali1234> wow, 256GB is £80
[05:49] <daftykins> gooooo
[05:49] <daftykins> i've got a 512GB in the cart at £133 delivered
[05:49] <daftykins> sooooo tempted
[05:50] <ali1234> it's £166 inc vat from scan
[05:50] <ali1234> 138 without
[05:50] <ali1234> pre order though
[05:51] <ali1234> that really is very cheap indeed
[05:51] <daftykins> indeed
[05:51] <daftykins> the 256GB has worse write speeds, but the 512GB looks ace
[05:52] <daftykins> due to die parallelism
[05:52] <daftykins> naturally
[05:52] <ali1234> yeah looks like they've gone back to the 128 bit chips
[05:52] <ali1234> so this is really somewhere between the M500 and the M550
[05:52] <ali1234> except cheaper than either
[05:53] <daftykins> http://www.anandtech.com/show/8066/crucial-mx100-256gb-512gb-review
[05:54] <daftykins> my laptop is the only thing i have with 6Gb SATA, it already has a crucial m4 256GB
[05:54] <ali1234> yeah that review pretty much confirms it
[05:55] <daftykins> an excellent buy imo
[05:58] <ali1234> yeah seems like it out performs even the M550
[06:00] <mapps> hey daftykins
[06:00] <mapps> up early or no sleep?
[06:00] <mapps> just watched the new 24:D
[06:00] <daftykins> mmm slept maybe 3.5hrs, then the cat miaowed and i've just been reading articles since XD
[06:00] <mapps> heh
[06:01] <mapps> i slept like 12-3am ..fell asleep watching tv
[06:01] <mapps> so only need another 3/4 more :)
[06:02] <daftykins> haha
[06:03] <daftykins> i'm too tight for RM special delivery
[06:03] <daftykins> everyone knows the waiting is the best bit
[06:08] <mapps> :D
[06:08] <mapps> finally got all of Oz downloaded
[06:09] <daftykins> hmm i remember seeing tiny bits of that occasionally
[06:09] <daftykins> mostly just remember the dreds dude in the wheelchair
[06:10] <mapps> ya i emember bits used to be on chan4 late when i was quite young
[06:10] <daftykins> same :>
[06:10] <mapps> so now another series to watch..56 eps..so 2 weeks and il have finished it
[06:10] <mapps> ;p
[06:10] <daftykins> Channel 4 got some pretty decent stuff back in the day
[06:11] <daftykins> i just finished Star Trek DS9 at long last
[06:11] <mapps> ive been watching the bear grylls island thing on chan4
[06:11] <mapps> and its kinda interesting but it irritates me when they say 'we need to find food else we'll be left to die' and bear says 'if they dont find food they wont make it'
[06:11] <mapps> utter nonsense
[06:11] <mapps> no way theyd be left to die and rot away
[06:12] <daftykins> heh ;)
[06:12] <mapps> u seen it?
[06:12] <daftykins> maybe they mean 'make it until the restaurant trip later'
[06:12] <mapps> i mean seriously..if they all sat there and didnt search for food..you believe they'd be left to die?
[06:12] <daftykins> nah i don't have broadcast
[06:12] <mapps> like lol no way
[06:12] <mapps> hahaha yea
[06:12] <mapps> like when he was found to be staying in hotels overnight
[06:13] <daftykins> XD i think i had heard about that guys shenanigans
[06:13] <daftykins> like the "deep outback" aussie locations that were just beside main roads
[06:13] <mapps> lol
[06:14] <mapps> watched all 6 eps of cuckoo yesterday7
[06:14] <mapps> dont know how i missed it when it was on tv..bbc show..adam samberg in it
[06:18] <mapps> 280mb for normal 24 ep..1,23gb for 720p
[06:18] <mapps> heh
[06:19] <daftykins> only 720p ;)
[06:19] <daftykins> there we go, one drive ordered!
[06:19] <daftykins> i had to go and check my CVV code, crikey
[06:56] <ali1234> mapps: they'd not be allowed on TV if they did that, which is worse than being dead
[07:00] <Myrtti> do I get any benefit if I go to doctors and ask for allergy meds on prescription vs. going to pharmacy and getting my stuff from there?
[07:01] <MooDoo> Myrtti: are you able to get prescription meds for free or would you still have to pay?
[07:01] <Myrtti> would have to pay
[07:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Depends if you have any state benfits?
[07:01] <MooDoo> probably easier just to walk to the nearest chemists and get them there then
[07:01] <Myrtti> I assume. I'm not under 18, pregnant, unemployed or disabled
[07:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pregnant yes.
[07:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think you should get prescriptions free shouldn't you?
[07:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/941.aspx?CategoryID=68&SubCategoryID=161#close
[07:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Congratulations by the way :-D
[07:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh. Sorry - misread that whole sentence ;-) lol
[07:03] <Myrtti> :-D
[07:03] <Myrtti> hmm.
[07:03] <Myrtti> but levocetirizine is only on prescription
[07:04] <Myrtti> so if I'd want that, I'd need a prescription
[07:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - My son has allergies, he gets cetirizine
[07:05] <Myrtti> on the other hand I could try loratadine
[07:06] <Myrtti> or I could just suffer until noon when my meeting is over and then smack myself with the normal cetirizine and try to fight the sleep then
[07:06] <Myrtti> because the normal stuff I do have
[07:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can buy Piriton over the counter though.
[07:07] <Myrtti> yeah.
[07:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lods on here: http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/healthcare/allergies/cat-876?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=antihistamine&utm_campaign=EN+|+Medicine+|+Hayfever+%26+Allergy&utm_content=slfj6OaCl|dc_pcrid_26314622325_kword_antihistamine_match_e_plid_
[07:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\Lods\Loads
[07:07] <Myrtti> not tried that tho
[07:07] <Myrtti> in any case, it'll have to wait until noon
[07:08] <Myrtti> and if I'm going to venture out to get something, I need to check my bike tyres
[07:30] <dwatkins> moin moin
[07:31] <Myrtti> looks like I'll have the sleepi^Wallergy medicine now :-| can't take the sneezing anymore
[07:33] <dwatkins> too much pepper in the soup
[07:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Chimborazo Day! :-D
[07:48] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[07:52] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[07:53] <dwatkins> "Chimborazo is a currently inactive stratovolcano in the Cordillera Occidental range of the Andes" - should we expect it to start erupting?
[07:58] <JamesTait> Let's hope not. ;)
[08:00] <bashrc> morning
[08:00] <Myrtti> and half an hour later I feel so much better.
[08:00] <Myrtti> nice.
[08:00] <DJones> I thought "Chimborazo Day" was going to be something to do with the patio wood burners that seem to be all the rage now
[08:06] <diplo> Morning all
[08:07] <BigRedS_> Goood Morning!
[08:21] <foobarry> is cetizirine drowsy-making?
[08:21] <foobarry> had a discussion with someone about it. i took it for a few days and could hardly stay awake
[08:22] <foobarry> OTOH loratadine is fine but i'm unsure if it actually works
[08:28] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1SM813W6H36YA
[08:34] <foobarry> i got taken in by the rocky bar rebranding. i thought they were new flavours :(
[08:34] <foobarry> rugged chocolate and molten caramel are the same old biscuit
[08:39] <Myrtti> foobarry: well I'm desperate at this point and I don't care anymore if I fall asleep
[08:40] <foobarry> i have a nose torch
[08:40] <Myrtti> atleast I've got freshly washed cloth hankies
[08:40] <foobarry> seems to help more/as much as anything else i take
[08:40] <Myrtti> I don't know where mine is and if I've got batteries for it
[08:40] <Myrtti> it's somewhere in the moving boxes I think
[08:40] <Myrtti> which - no clue
[08:44] <foobarry> where have you moved to?
[08:44] <Myrtti> UK
[08:44] <Myrtti> :-D
[08:45] <foobarry> and your hayfever exploded? :(
[08:45] <Myrtti> this happens whenever there's hay in bloom no matter which country
[08:45] <popey> oh, you're in the UK now?
[08:45] <foobarry> UKIP don't like your type
[08:45] <popey> awesome
[08:45] <Myrtti> popey: yeah, officially for a month now
[08:46] <Myrtti> my stuff has been here since early March but we haven't really a place for three boxes of books and two boxes of random junk, so the stuff is still in moving boxes
[08:47] <foobarry> i don't think my book swill ever be unpacked again
[08:47] <foobarry> i got a "best of" bookcase
[08:47] <foobarry> and the rest in the loft
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:58] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:59] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:21] <twager> Can anyone recommend a portable device that will play music from usb sticks ?
[09:26] <funkyHat> A laptop :(
[09:27] <funkyHat> Oh oh, an android device which supports USB OTG
[09:29] <popey> http://www.funstock.co.uk/retron-5  wat!
[09:35] <twager> popey thanks for the reply but the item is out of stock. Could I achieve my aim using a Raspberry pie?
[09:35] <Laney> mmm pie
[09:41] <popey> twager: wasn't aimed at you ☻
[10:06] <ali1234> wow, barclays have just increased the effective interest rate on agreed overdrafts by 100x
[10:35] <Armag3dd0n24> sup
[10:35] <MooDoo> sky
[10:35] <MooDoo> bitter?  tea?
[10:35] <MooDoo> ;)
[11:10] <dvrr> Hi....everyone
[11:11] <popey> hi
[11:13] <Armag3dd0n24> wut??? :p
[11:13] <Myrtti> god I hate allergy season
[11:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:24] <ali1234> is it possible for a user to have more than one home directory?
[11:25] <ali1234> let's say there's a piece of proprietary software that i want to run
[11:25] <ali1234> let's call it "bleam"
[11:25] <ali1234> i know it's going to download hundreds of gigabytes of stuff and save it in my home directory
[11:26] <ali1234> i don't want it to do that. i want it to store that stuff somewhere else, so that if i wipe my home directory i don't have to download all that stuff again
[11:26] <Myrtti> env HOME=/foobar/wibble; export blalala, run?
[11:26] <ali1234> is that guaranteed to work though?
[11:26]  * Myrtti pulls a rabbit out her hat
[11:26] <ali1234> what if "bleam" uses some syscall to get the user homedir?
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> there's a syscall for that?!
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> $HOME is a convention (made by the passwd file) right.. not forced by the kernel?
[11:27] <ali1234> i dunno, that's why i'm asking :)
[11:28] <ali1234> what sets $HOME?
[11:29] <ali1234> also, what about $XAUTHORITY?
[11:31] <shauno> I believe the login process sets $HOME
[11:31] <ali1234> i guess another way to put this question is how can i have one steam install shared between multiple homedirs?
[11:31] <ali1234> i mean "bleam"
[11:32] <ali1234> like a "portable" configuration
[11:34] <directhex> ali1234, steam supports an arbitrary number of library folders. you can add an arbitrary empty folder as a library, and games will be installed there instead of the default
[11:35] <ali1234> okay, and if i do that, and then delete my entire home folder and redownload and reinstall steam, how do i make it see the games i still have? and what about all my saves etc?
[11:35] <directhex> you re-add that library folder, and saves are a per-game thing. games using steam cloud should sync saves from the net, but not all games use steam cloud
[11:36] <ali1234> right, hence why i thought changing $HOME would be a good idea
[11:36] <ali1234> because then all things spawned by steam would save in the fake-home
[11:36] <ali1234> and i could just back that up
[11:37] <ali1234> i would just run the whole thing under a different user, but then i'd have xauth problems and who knows what else...
[11:38] <directhex> it might work. but you're sailing a long way from supported configurations
[11:46] <ali1234> perhaps it could be done with chroot
[11:46] <dvrr> how to  configure  "ldap server"  client side  ubuntu & windows 7 authentication  please guide me
[11:47] <ali1234> mount -o bind / /tmp/fakeroot; mount -o bind /home/fakehome /tmp/fakeroot/home/al; chroot /tmp/fakeroot steam
[11:48] <dvrr> MooDoo
[12:07] <Myrtti> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27677712
[12:07] <Myrtti> "Pixar to give away 'Toy Story' 3D RenderMan software "
[12:07] <Myrtti> (via gordonjcp)
[12:09] <ali1234> looks like simply changing $HOME might just work...
[12:22] <MooDoo> Myrtti: wow
[12:23] <Myrtti> comments from elsewhere "that's only the renderer though, if they were giving out the animator (Presto), I'd be 100x more interested"
[12:24] <MooDoo> Myrtti: http://renderman.pixar.com/view/25946
[12:48] <ali1234> is it common for games that supposedly support cloud sync to have it just not work at all on linux?
[12:48] <MooDoo> pah facebook
[12:50] <dwatkins> Facebook for cloud sync, that's a good idea...
[12:53] <MooDoo> dwatkins: no just moaning about it
[13:04] <dwatkins> MooDoo: I guessed as much, but it's crazy enough that it might just work. Perhaps better to use Google Drive or something, mind.
[13:08]  * dwatkins spent an hour yesterday watching videos about Google's "Project Loon", which also sounds utterly insane, but appears to work to provide internets to rural areas
[13:10] <diplo> That the balloon one dwatkins ?
[13:10] <dwatkins> yeah, diplo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m96tYpEk1Ao&list=UU85vZzdL-PEn_5hl8_FDHoA&index=4
[13:10] <diplo> Well an update to that
[13:10] <diplo> http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/2/5771322/google-reportedly-launching-180-satellites-for-worldwide-internet
[13:10] <dwatkins> yeah, reading about the satellites was what made me look up Project Loon's progress
[13:10] <diplo> I'm guessing Loon may be dropped if they do that
[13:11] <diplo> Is that video a new one ?
[13:11] <diplo> nah watched that one :)
[13:12] <shauno> the 180 satellites one sounds silly :/
[13:12] <dwatkins> diplo: there are 17 in the set, but they're mostly from last year, I think.
[13:13] <dwatkins> My guess is that the satellites will be for different scenarios than home use.
[13:13] <diplo> I've probably watched most of them then, I was quite interested in the beginning :)
[13:17] <shauno> I just hope they're not trying to jump on the picosat train
[13:27] <dwatkins> Loon seems to be progressing well.
[13:31] <ali1234> my guess would be the satellites providing the backbone transport for the balloons?
[13:31] <mapps> ;]
[13:31] <dwatkins> give them time, and they'll set this up on Mars, too...
[14:08] <Myrtti> I wonder would the catalogue order people understand if I'd put a sign on the door "don't waste your catalogues - we won't order anything from unsolicited catalogues"
[14:11] <popey> you get unsolicited catalogs!?
[14:12] <Myrtti> Avon, Betterware, Jamie at Home...
[14:12] <Seeker> if they understood, do you think they would listen?
[14:12] <diplo> Myrtti, they never listen to me
[14:13] <diplo> Also, betterware etc change the delivery people so often they don't share that info
[14:13] <Myrtti> Seeker: well as I understand it, they lose money if I don't return the catalogue
[14:13] <mapps> yea i get that rubbish Myrtti
[14:13] <Myrtti> so if I put a note upfront telling them to not waste their money on trying to get us to order, they'd be better off
[14:13] <mapps> and it irritates me.so i dont even look at them so even if there was (unlikely) something i wanted i wont be ordering
[14:14] <diplo> I also leave them outside the front door ( we don't use it very often ) and 3-4 weeks later they are still there waiting to be collected.
[14:16] <Myrtti> yeah well we tend to forget to do that :-/
[14:31] <foobarry> what sort of person buys from a catalogue?
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: argos
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> aliens
[14:35] <Myrtti> argos catalogue is a catalogue you in theory signed up for
[14:35] <Myrtti> as is Nisbets, or Screwfix, or whatever
[14:36] <foobarry> when crashplan say they allow unlimited size backup , what do they mean?
[14:40] <foobarry> http://www.qxs.ch/2011/02/25/does-crashplan-really-offer-unlimted-storage/
[14:42] <foobarry> basically if u have over ~200GB to back then you pay for seeded service
[14:44] <popey> I quite like catalogs..
[14:44] <popey> or the "laminated book of dreams" as Bill Bailey calls it
[14:45] <ali1234> inb4 popey gets signed up for every catalogue ever
[14:46] <popey> hah
[14:46] <foobarry> pre internet days a lot of rude stuff was ordered via catalogue
[14:46] <popey> i used to love flicking through the argos catalog as a kid
[14:46] <foobarry> or from back pages of viz
[14:46] <foobarry> argos is the christmas present canon
[14:46] <popey> also recall my first attempt at buying shareware was via a catalog
[14:49] <foobarry> me too
[14:49] <foobarry> used to buy acorn demo disks
[14:49] <foobarry> by brothers in arm
[14:50] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VtnaGabyoc
[15:00] <dwatkins> when scrolling text was difficult
[16:05] <bigcalm> Cating up on UUPC.   I can listen to radio4 on the radio, but not on the internet (because they're broadcasting cricket)


[10:23] <tjaalton> halp, need someone to approve mesa & mesa-lts-quantal
[10:24] <mlankhorst> HALPPP PLXX
[10:27] <infinity> On it.
[10:28] <tjaalton> :)
[10:28] <tjaalton> thanks
[10:28] <tjaalton> I'll do the same for raring
[10:29] <infinity> mesa-lts-quantal's changelog history seems to have gotten mangled.
[10:29] <tjaalton> we don't care about that
[10:29] <tjaalton> it's scripted
[10:30] <tjaalton> the changelog should have everything via the quantal "upstream"
[10:30] <tjaalton> the latest one just adds ~preciseN
[10:30] <mlankhorst> sec
[10:31] <tjaalton> of course this is the first time I'm on this, so could have messed things
[10:31] <mlankhorst> you did mess up
[10:31] <mlankhorst> :P
[10:31] <tjaalton> damn
[10:31] <tjaalton> how?
[10:31] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/144071101/mesa-lts-quantal_9.0.3-0ubuntu0.3~precise1_9.0.3-0ubuntu0.4~precise1.diff.gz
[10:32] <mlankhorst> that's why lts-pkg-rename takes an argument to the old stack dir
[10:32] <tjaalton> oh
[10:32] <mlankhorst> but just fix it up manually
[10:32] <tjaalton> so you did have those
[10:32] <tjaalton> *keep
[10:33] <mlankhorst> yeah, just the ones in release, the ubuntu0.3 one never left NEW so I don't care about it
[10:33] <mlankhorst> but you wiped the original LP bug entry
[10:34] <tjaalton> the diff doesn't show 0.3
[10:34] <tjaalton> oh I see
[10:34] <mlankhorst> still shows up in the changes file though, so meh..
[10:34] <tjaalton> I'll merge that too then
[10:34] <infinity> What do you mean "0.3 never left NEW"?
[10:34] <tjaalton> infinity: ok I'll fix it up
[10:34] <infinity> It's in -proposed.
[10:34] <tjaalton> it's in NEW
[10:34] <infinity> Oh, it's in binary NEW, sure.
[10:34] <infinity> I can fix that. :P
[10:35] <mlankhorst> hehehe
[10:35] <tjaalton> you could fix xserver-xorg-video-intel-lts-quantal still being there :)
[10:35] <mlankhorst> yeah I hate this stuff
[10:35] <tjaalton> I'll fix the changelog and reupload, feel free to reject the current one
[10:35] <mlankhorst> dual-level changelogs suck
[10:35] <tjaalton> right, two steps to bug the archive admins
[10:35] <tjaalton> that too
[10:37] <mlankhorst> infinity: xxv-intel-lts-raring is in unapproved, can you accept it too?
[10:45] <infinity> mesa-lts-raring also seems to have a vaguely confused changelog, but maybe that one's unavoidable, I dunno.
[10:47] <mlankhorst> sadly no way out
[10:48] <mlankhorst> it had to close the original bug too
[10:50] <tjaalton> ok new version uploaded
[10:55] <tjaalton> meh, mesa 9.1.4 needs an sru bug
[11:51] <doko> cjwatson, removed all the binaries built with gdc-v1 on powerpc. except for plplot, which ftbfs for qt reasons currently
[11:52] <doko> and cleaned up the lib*-ruby binaries
[11:52] <cjwatson> armhf too?
[11:54] <doko> there were none
[11:54] <doko> that was gcc-4.4 based
[12:20] <xnox> infinity: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnuradio/<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1/+build/4766558 is dead, can that build be done on the fast one? (sagari?!)
[12:23] <infinity> xnox: I don't imagine speed will help it much, but it could be tried.
[12:23] <cjwatson> doko: There are certainly some out-of-dates on armhf from the set of packages we were talking about.
[12:37] <infinity> xnox: Retried on sagari.  Good luck.  Maybe I should bump the timeout back up a bit.  That said, a build that produces no output for 60m isn't ideal.
[12:39] <xnox> infinity: it only took 27minutes to build on amd64....
[12:40]  * xnox likes the build score of 99999999
[17:13] <jbicha> who should I ask politely to review mozjs17 in new?
[19:14] <Laney> hmm
[19:14] <Laney> Could it be that proposed-migration is forgetting about failed tests?
[19:14] <Laney> I just uploaded glib2.0 and some rdep autopkgtests definitely did fail - colord and firefox are two examples. They were on excuses as FAILED but now they're not there.
[19:17] <ScottK> Did someone override the results?
[19:20] <Laney> firefox is, yeah, but not colord as far as I can see
[19:20] <Laney> wait, I can't remember which way around the force-footests are
[19:21] <ScottK> Did you see the new way to do it (-release)
[19:21] <Laney> I only know force-badtest force-skiptest
[19:21] <ScottK> Thos.
[19:21]  * Laney nods
[19:21] <ScottK> Those even
[19:22] <ScottK> badtest means skip that test for all cases since the test is bad.
[19:22] <Laney> OK, so firefox is skipped then
[19:22] <ScottK> skiptest means don't trigger tests for this package, skip them because we want it in -release ASAP.
[19:22] <Laney> but still colord.
[19:22] <ScottK> Dunno
[19:23] <ScottK> Maybe it's bug.  Not sure how cjwatson tested it.
[19:24] <Laney> Not gonna complain if it lets it migrate. ;-)
[19:34] <jibel> Laney, "forgotten failed" is a bug. I have a fix that will be pushed tomorrow morning.
[19:35] <ScottK> Laney: Quick, upload today.
[20:47] <slangasek> Laney: forgetting failed tests> yes, cjwatson mentioned something about that today
[20:48] <slangasek> right, jibel said already
[20:48] <Laney> slangasek: yeah, jibel just confirmed
[20:48] <Laney> :-)