[02:00]  * P3L|C4N0 saludos
[02:02] <LjL> hi
[13:12] <boredandblogging> locobot is missing from #ubuntu-us-ga
[13:12] <boredandblogging> anyway we can get it back?


[01:14] <bkerensa> slangasek: what do you and kees do for paleo friendly drinks?
[01:26] <slangasek> uh
[01:26] <slangasek> drinks like what?
[01:26] <slangasek> "water"?
[01:36] <shirgall> Yeah, for paleo you need to avoid sodas in general, for example
[01:36] <shirgall> And beers, of course, being grain based
[01:36]  * shirgall has done Atkins, which isn't paleo, but is similar
[02:17] <slangasek> bkerensa: I only drink water, wine, or beer with meals anymore; the latter two certainly not being "paleo friendly", but I've never claimed to be a paleo adherent :)  sugar-free sodas have not been proven to be better than sugared sodas; there've been various studies showing that it makes no difference, and the body's pavlovian response to sweetness is one possible explanation for this result.  Subjectively, I can say that even flavored
[02:17] <slangasek> ... waters make me hungry
[02:18] <bkerensa> slangasek: do you have any pro tips for pale sauce making for meats and veggies?
[02:19] <bkerensa> slangasek: I searched high and low at traders joes and could not find anything paleo for veggies or meats... everything had additives or sugar (even the organic claiming stuff)
[02:19] <slangasek> what kind of sauce are you looking for?
[02:19] <slangasek> butter works as a sauce on veggies :)
[02:20] <slangasek> we've recently found ourselves making our own barbecue sauce, due to Patty's recently-discovered onion allergy... any kind of prepared sauces will be made with onion powder
[02:21] <bkerensa> slangasek: well sauce to add flavor?
[02:21] <bkerensa> less bland
[02:21] <bkerensa> wtf
[02:21] <bkerensa> butter?
[02:21] <bkerensa> this is not paelo
[02:21] <bkerensa> :(
[02:21] <slangasek> so, sugar-free ketchup, + molasses, + vinegar, + spices == barbecue sauce
[02:22] <bkerensa> mm
[02:22] <bkerensa> slangasek: and do you make your own dressing?
[02:23] <slangasek> yes
[02:23] <bkerensa> Lunch today I had a pretty nice Paleo Bowl at Laughing Planet
[02:23] <slangasek> I just do oil + vinegar dressing :)
[02:23] <bkerensa> it had some sort of vinegar based sauce on the kale that was nice
[02:28] <slangasek> as for butter not being paleo, well, paleo is a useful guideline, but if you're not actually lactose-intolerant, why would you care about the dairy part?
[02:29] <slangasek> paleo has the advantage that we can say it's reasonably safe for everybody; but genes *have* changed since then, and wide swaths of the population can handle some sets of foods outside of paleo
[02:29] <slangasek> (which is why I don't do "paleo")
[16:20] <kees> bkerensa: you will fight insane carb cravings for about three weeks. if you can get through that, it'll all be fine. :)


[08:16] <Ram_> i need some help in MaaS 2.0 installation
[08:17] <Ram_> I am not able to import the images
[08:18] <Ram_> Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/usr/lib/python3.5/urllib/request.py", line 1243, in do_open     h.request(req.get_method(), req.selector, req.data, headers)   File "/usr/lib/python3.5/http/client.py", line 1106, in request     self._send_request(method, url, body, headers)   File "/usr/lib/python3.5/http/client.py", line 1151, in _send_request     self.endheaders(body)   File "/usr/lib/python3.5/http/client.py", line 1102, in
[12:10] <mup> Bug #1590406 opened: Cluster is not getting connected <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590406>
[12:27] <kiko> smoser, ^^
[12:27] <kiko> smoser, where should be look at the logs?
[12:27] <kiko> gar, typod in the recall
[12:43] <jojden> issue with cluster controller
[12:43] <jojden> my cluster controller is not getting connected with region controller
[12:43] <jojden> i have done the configuration and gave the secret key too
[12:44] <jojden> but still it showing disconnected in the cluster page
[12:44] <jojden> I am using 1.9.3
[12:49] <jojden> any idea why
[12:49] <jojden> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1590406
[13:15] <smoser> kiko, cluster to region controller enlistment is not something i have anything to do with
[13:15] <kiko> smoser, no, I meant the comment from gimmic from yesterday
[13:18] <smoser> for gimmic, if it is runnign the installer, i believe maas says to put an install log in /tmp/install.log
[13:18] <smoser> anad also /var/log/cloud-init* is probably useful
[13:18] <smoser> if you can get intot he install environment and stop the poweroff, then you can sit and re-run the curtin installation manually and see whats going on
[13:37] <kiko> that's what I thought
[13:37] <kiko> thanks smoser
[13:46] <huats> Hi
[13:47] <huats> I am facing something weird
[14:11] <kiko> huats, the suspense is killing me
[14:15] <huats> kiko: hey
[14:15] <huats> sorry for delay
[14:15] <huats> :)
[14:15] <huats> phonecall :)
[14:15] <huats> I have a weird thing
[14:15] <kiko> ah
[14:15] <huats> I have uploaded a centos image on my maas (1.9)
[14:15] <huats> (built using maas-image-builder)
[14:16] <huats> and when I try to deploy using it, I keep ending with an ubuntu deployment :(
[14:16] <kiko> ubuntu beats centos!
[14:16] <kiko> first question: does deploying [unmodified] centos from our streams work?
[14:16] <huats> your streams ?
[14:17] <huats> never tried...
[14:17] <kiko> huats, that's much easier -- just enable centos
[14:17] <huats> hum
[14:17] <huats> I would be interested if you have any url :)
[14:26] <kiko> roaksoax, blake_r_: how does huats enable the CentOS stream?
[14:26] <kiko> huats, what version of MAAS are you on?
[14:26] <huats> 1.9
[14:29] <roaksoax> kiko: daily streams
[14:29] <roaksoax> huats: ^^
[14:30] <kiko> roaksoax, just settings, etc stream, s/release/daily?
[14:32] <roaksoax> kiko: indeed
[16:04] <huats> kiko: so there is an another way than https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/os-support.html
[16:04] <huats> to get centos ?
[16:05] <kiko> yes
[16:05] <kiko> huats, see above
[16:06] <huats> yeah daily streams ? but I couldn't find where to do that :(
 roaksoax, just settings, etc stream, s/release/daily?
[16:07] <kiko> huats, go to settings, edit the stream URL to say daily
[16:07] <kiko> save
[16:07] <kiko> import images
[16:07] <kiko> selecting centos
[16:08] <huats> so you mean the sync URL to point to http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral-v2/daily
[16:08] <huats> ?
[16:09] <huats> It is the only mention or release I have on that page :(
[16:10] <huats> Oh and now I have centos images !
[16:12] <huats> well there are mentionned "not sync"
[16:12] <huats> I'll wait a bit
[16:12] <huats> :)
[16:12] <kiko> you got it<tm>
[16:12] <huats> thanks !
[16:12] <huats> kiko: and roaksoax ^
[16:12] <kiko> huats, happy to help!
[16:59] <mup> Bug #1590499 opened: 2.0Beta6 | Can edit fabric and subnet on deployed node <ui> <ux> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590499>
[17:02] <mup> Bug #1590499 changed: 2.0Beta6 | Can edit fabric and subnet on deployed node <ui> <ux> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590499>
[17:20] <mup> Bug #1590499 opened: 2.0Beta6 | Can edit fabric and subnet on deployed node <ui> <ux> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590499>
[18:24] <mup> Bug #1590518 opened: Tool to back up and restore MAAS nodes database would be useful <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590518>
[20:19] <mup> Bug #1590546 opened: No reliable way to detect whether a NIC is 10Gig through MAAS commissioning data <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590546>
[20:22] <babbageclunk> blake_r_: ping>
[20:22] <babbageclunk> ?
[23:04] <mup> Bug #1590598 opened: ipv6 interfaces on a machine (in maas) are not added to lxc containers deployed to that machine <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590598>
[23:34] <mup> Bug #1389351 changed: Duplicate eth0 definition <cloud-installer> <landscape> <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389351>
[23:34] <mup> Bug #1587946 changed: IPMI connection failure causes failed deployment and releasing <MAAS 1.9:Triaged> <MAAS 2.0:Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1587946>
[23:34] <mup> Bug #1590598 changed: ipv6 interfaces configured on a machine (in maas) are not added to lxc containers deployed to that machine <juju-core:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590598>
[23:46] <mup> Bug #1039701 changed: Wrong RAM memory size <verification-done> <lshw:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <landscape-client (Ubuntu):Invalid> <lshw (Ubuntu):Fix Released by dannf> <landscape-client (Ubuntu Xenial):Confirmed> <lshw (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Released by dannf> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039701>
[23:46] <mup> Bug #1514648 changed: Got more than one item. - unable to add/modify machines in the UI <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514648>
[23:46] <mup> Bug #1536207 changed: bootstrap times out waiting for deployed state - curtin install > 27 minutes for amd ocp roadrunner system <oil> <curtin:New> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536207>


[01:38] <blackboxsw> vorlon: falcojr sorry for delay, I got pulled away for a bit I've updated the wiki to be more clear about the TODO-PRIOR-TO-PROPOSED vs TODO-SRU-VALIDATION to call out explicit expectations  for when that content is filled https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CloudinitUpdates?action=diff&rev1=13&rev2=14
[07:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-network-run [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [0.2.4-2] (no packageset)
[07:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-lift-type [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-3] (no packageset)
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-lift-type [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-3]
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted haskell-network-run [amd64] (kinetic-proposed) [0.2.4-2]
[18:39] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: fwiw I don't see why pandoc-sidenote is listed as broken; I appear to be able to cross-install libghc-pandoc-sidenote*:riscv64 here
[19:12] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: ah it's cross-installable because it tries to pull in native pandoc, but pandoc is not yet built on armhf or riscv64.  So that'll shake out
[23:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-gmodule [amd64] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [2.0.2-2] (no packageset)
[23:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-gmodule [ppc64el] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [2.0.2-2] (no packageset)
[23:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-gi-gmodule [s390x] (kinetic-proposed/universe) [2.0.2-2] (no packageset)


[00:37] <micahg> hggdh: ah, ok, well, it still worked for me
[00:39] <hggdh> and I cannot figure why it would work for you and not for me. There has to be an explanation
[00:45] <micahg> I can push up the .dsc and the .debian.tar.gz if you like
[00:48] <hggdh> please do
[00:49] <hggdh> I can then find out what is different
[00:53] <micahg> hggdh: http://people.ubuntu.com/~micahg/ajaxterm/
[00:58] <hggdh> thanks, micahg
[01:04] <hggdh> micahg: found the issue -- not only ./runtime.d got deleted, but also the binaries were not loaded
[01:05] <hggdh> so it was correct on one point, and wrong on everything else anyway
[01:12] <hggdh> micahg: and I just checked by moving the rm -rf to before the dh_python2, and rebuilding -- the runtime.d is still there
[01:13] <hggdh> I really would like to have more details documented on that :-(
[01:13] <hggdh> micahg: if you would like to comment -- https://code.launchpad.net/~hggdh2/ubuntu/oneiric/ajaxterm/bug795159
[01:16]  * hggdh stops for the day, 13 hours is quite enough
[08:52] <njin_> Hello, I've got an apport bug, but it cannot reported on launchpad because 'Unexpected form data'. What can I do ?
[08:54] <Ursinha> bdmurray: ^
[08:55] <njin_> the title is:
[08:57] <njin_> jockey-text crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in write(): 'asci' codec can't encode character u'\xe8' in position 120: ordinal not in range(128)
[08:58] <jtaylor> njin_: that is a known bug
[08:59] <jtaylor> probably related to this one: bug 827090
[08:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 827090 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-cli crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in communicate(): 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 40-42: ordinal not in range(128) (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827090
[08:59] <jtaylor> or is it jockey that crashed and not apport?
[09:00] <njin_> jtaylor: thanks, is jockey crashing
[09:00] <jtaylor> could be something else then, but maybe the apport failure is related to your reporting problem
[09:00] <njin_> I've tried to change the title but the reslts is the same.
[13:12] <pedro_> morning hggdh
[13:12] <hggdh> good afternoon pedro_ ! How's life in London?
[13:13] <pedro_> hggdh, going well. Weather is similar than in Santiago though, I'm still looking for the european summer they promised me :P
[13:13] <pedro_> hggdh, how are you today?
[13:13] <hggdh> life is as good as it can get, currently
[13:14] <pedro_> oh i love the notification system of gnome-shell
[13:15] <hggdh> pedro_: at least g-shell is working ;-)
[13:15] <pedro_> hggdh, why i keep hearing that? ;-)
[13:17] <hggdh> pedro_: on my netbook, unity3d fails because compiz crashes on start (and I get an unusable session). g-shell survives...
[13:17] <pedro_> at least for me it crashes a few times per day
[13:18] <hggdh> well, on my work laptop I went back to natty...
[13:18] <pedro_> g-shell seems to work ok
[13:18] <hggdh> yeah
[13:26] <jibel> I'm on 2d for 1 week now. I can't make unity work on any of my system. It's the first time ever it happens.
[13:27] <hggdh> this is sort of worrysome...
[13:30] <pedro_> yay it started to rain in london
[13:30] <pedro_> now i feel like in home...
[13:33] <Ursinha> pedro_: yesterday there was rain enough to make us wet and miserable
[13:33] <Ursinha> not enough to feel home, though
[13:34] <pedro_> Ursinha, i'll be feeling that way if it doesn't stop raining before we leave the building :-/
[13:37]  * hggdh does not quite remember what is rain anymore
[13:43] <Ursinha> hggdh: where are you? Portugal?
[13:48] <hggdh> Ursinha: I wish... I am in Texas
[13:48] <hggdh> heh
[13:58] <jibel> unity 4.8.0-0ubuntu3 has been uploaded. There's hope that will fix my session start failure :)
[13:58] <hggdh> unless it solves the compiz crash I have... no chance here
[14:00] <hggdh> well, well, well, it actually may: Backport r1381 to fix a session start compiz segfault (lp: #825040)
[18:16] <hjd> Hi. bug 731979 requested that clojure should be updated to 1.2, and the latest comment notes it has been included in Debian and could be synced. However, I checked briefly and it turns out it has been packaged as clojure1.2, does this mean I can change status to fix released and point to the other package?
[18:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 731979 in clojure (Debian) (and 1 other project) "please update to clojure 1.2 (affects: 4) (heat: 18)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731979
[18:19] <micahg> hjd: invalid I guess since this source package saw no update
[18:20] <pjbroad> Hi could anyone advise if there is anything more that users can to to advance the resolution of this bug in Lucid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sound-juicer/+bug/455461
[18:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 455461 in sound-juicer (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "Sound Juicer depends on deprecated libmusicbrainz4 (affects: 24) (dups: 2) (heat: 114)" [High,Triaged]
[18:24] <lfaraone> could someone with access to maverick or lucid test whether blogtk loads for them? I suspect it won't due to a missing dependency, which is why I filed  bug 813333
[18:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 813333 in blogtk (Ubuntu) "[removal] Please remove blogtk from lucid, maverick, natty, oneiric (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813333
[18:25] <micahg> lfaraone: I think it can be fixed w/out removing it, I just haven't had time, I thought the package just changed
[18:26] <micahg> oh, maybe not, Debian killed it too :(
[18:26] <lfaraone> micahg: I mean, its not in Debian, and the code depends on something that hasn't been satisifiable since hardy
[18:26] <micahg> lfaraone: it was available in karmic IIRC
[18:26] <lfaraone> (the package itself does not depend on gtkhtml2, but that is a bug)
[18:27] <lfaraone> $ rmadison python-gtkhtml2
[18:27] <lfaraone> python-gtkhtml2 | 2.19.1-0ubuntu7 |         hardy | amd64, i386
[18:27] <lfaraone> python-gtkhtml2 | 2.19.1-0ubuntu7.2 | hardy-security | amd64, i386
[18:27] <lfaraone> python-gtkhtml2 | 2.19.1-0ubuntu7.2 | hardy-updates | amd64, i386
[18:28] <hjd> micahg: done :)
[18:29] <micahg> lfaraone: karmic doesn't show in rmadison anymore :)
[18:29] <charlie-tca> lfaraone: Xubuntu 10.04 errors trying to run blogtk, no module named gtkhtml2
[18:30] <charlie-tca> but it does install without error
[18:30] <lfaraone> charlie-tca: stellar, as expected.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> Do you need the bug report updated?
[18:31] <lfaraone> charlie-tca: nope, just wanted personal confirmation so I could ensure I'm not filing for removal of something that works.
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Okay.
[18:31] <lfaraone> micahg: fwiw, blogtk from the author's PPA works. so if you're particularly attached to this software, I'd be willing to sponsor you uploading it in debian :P
[18:32] <hjd> I have been tagging some bugs upgrade-software-version and I have some questions; should I tag sync/merge request with this as well, or do they fall outside the scope of u-s-v? what about bugs marked feature freeze in the title, are these handled differently?
[18:32] <micahg> lfaraone: I think we're better off SRUing a working version than removing
[18:33] <lfaraone> micahg: from what I can tell, we can either rip out gtkhtml, which would either require us to make it a text-only blog editor (new feature!), port it to another such library (new feature!), or SRU blogtkv2 (loads of new features!)
[18:34] <lfaraone> micahg: but lets → #ubuntu-motu
[18:36] <jtaylor> pjbroad: is it your branch linked against the bug?
[18:37] <negueba> guys, i've a problem with ubuntu 11.04 and with the 11.10 testing versions. seems to me that atl1c and ath9k don't work at the same time. every time the system freezes at the splash screen. to get the system work i need first disable my wireless card directly from bios and then startup the system
[18:38] <pjbroad> jtaylor: sorry, what do you mean?
[18:40] <jtaylor> pjbroad: this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~phw/+junk/sound-juicer-lucid-libmb3
[18:43] <pjbroad> No, that is not my branch.  I did my own test build based on the patch provided.
[20:31] <njin> bug 829022
[20:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 829022 in unity-2d (Ubuntu) "unity-2d-places crashed with SIGSEGV in QMetaObject::activate() (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829022
[21:09] <hggdh> jibel: are you able to use 3d now?
[21:15] <hggdh> jibel: I am still being hit by a compiz crash (sigabort on raise()
[21:21] <jibel> hggdh, yes, much better. that's the 1rst time in a week I'm able to start unity.
[21:21] <hggdh> jibel: lucky you...
[21:21] <jibel> hggdh, do you have a bug # with a backtrace ?
[21:21] <hggdh> I should, let me see
[21:23] <hggdh> jibel: bug 826411, but apport has not yet retraced it
[21:23] <ubot4> hggdh: Bug 826411 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/826411 is private
[21:23] <micahg> hggdh: retracers are broke
[21:23] <hggdh> blast it, I am going to do the retrace myself
[21:24] <jibel> hggdh, could you subscribe me to that report please ?
[21:24] <jibel> unless there's any confidential information I shouldn't be exposed to of course.
[21:26] <hggdh> jibel: of course I can, nothing I have is a secret for you ;-)
[21:26] <jibel> :)
[21:27] <hggdh> jibel: done
[21:31] <jibel> hggdh, thanks. what's your background settings ?
[21:32] <hggdh> jibel: should be full colour, black
[21:33] <hggdh> I am opening a new bug, with a decent backtrace
[21:36] <hggdh> jibel: I opened bug 829049 with a nice backtrace
[21:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 829049 in unity (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGABRT in raise() (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829049
[21:36] <jibel> hggdh, ok I can reproduce it by setting the background to full color.
[21:37] <hggdh> oooohhh perfect!
[21:37] <hggdh> jibel: and I see in the BT a call to change in background
[21:38] <jibel> hggdh, easy workaround, login to 2d, set the bg to a picture :)
[21:38] <hggdh> jibel: indeed, and I was doing it already :-)
[21:39] <hggdh> jibel: one thing that bothers me is I see no indication of where the cursor is on lightdm greeter
[21:39] <hggdh> jibel: confirmed your confirmation of the bypass
[21:40] <hggdh> jibel: can you confirm it, please? Or is it a know issue?
[21:40] <jibel> hggdh, there's a bug about the missing cursor.
[21:40] <hggdh> s/know/&n/
[21:42] <hggdh> ah hell, now Ctrl/Alt/T does not work anymore :-(
[21:44] <jibel> hggdh, it's been reset at some point during the upgrade. You must reconfigure it in gnome-control-center/keyboard shortcuts.
[21:47] <hggdh> jibel: indeed. Pretty much all shortcuts are gone/disabled
[21:47] <hggdh> *now* I can consider upgrading to Oneiric again :-)


[19:08] <BUGabundo> if that doesn't work, file a bug... could be a bug on grub or installer
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Zeroyez: Did you have an external USB drive also connected to the PC when you installed grub?
[19:08] <Zeroyez> i don't have a live cd
[19:08] <BUGabundo> alternate one should have shell too
[19:08] <Zeroyez> i installed from an external usb drive using unetbootin with mini.iso
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> haha!
[19:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought as much
[19:08] <BUGabundo> can you download one of them?
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> What has happened is the device.map thinks that other drive is still there.
[19:09] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: known unetbootin bug?
[19:09] <Zeroyez> i don't own a cd burner
[19:09] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: usb pen?
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> Zeroyez: will it boot if that other drive is connected?
[19:09] <Zeroyez> no
[19:09] <BUGabundo> I think that was for me
[19:09] <Zeroyez> i haven't tried taking the usb stick out
[19:09] <BUGabundo> or not
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> It's still in?
[19:09] <Zeroyez> yeah
[19:09] <IntuitiveNipple> take it out!
[19:10] <Zeroyez> OMG
[19:10] <Zeroyez> IT WORKED
[19:10] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah I know
[19:10] <IntuitiveNipple> simple when you know how :p
[19:10] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[19:10] <BUGabundo> is it filed?
[19:10] <BUGabundo> should be on release notes too
[19:10] <BUGabundo> akgraner: ping
[19:10] <IntuitiveNipple> it's a user error pure and simple
[19:11] <BUGabundo> is it?
[19:11] <Zeroyez> woah, booting jaunty comes up with a billion fails
[19:11] <IntuitiveNipple> BIOS ordering verus OS ordering - common issue with external USB devices that are recognised as bootable by a BIOS
[19:11] <Zeroyez> User syslog does not exist, aborting...
[19:11] <Zeroyez> It was booting from the hard drive, not the USB stick
[19:12] <Zeroyez> must be a grub glitch thinking oh the usb stick exists let's hate on the user
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> No, nothing to do with grub... it takes its info from the BIOS
[19:12] <IntuitiveNipple> but the OS independently IDs the drives
[19:12] <Zeroyez> alright "klog" does not exist, and "syslog" does not exist -- how do i fix these 2 problems?
[19:13] <alex_mayorga> any takers on my bluetoothd crash?
[19:13] <IntuitiveNipple> The order in which the devices are recognised by BIOS (relied on by grub-boot) is different from the order the OS reports (relied on by grub-install)
[19:13] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: I think you have the one
[19:14] <BUGabundo> that we are discussing one #ubuntu-bugs
[19:14] <Zeroyez> well i'm glad to know it's a bug in discussion and not a fixed bug >.>
[19:15] <Zeroyez> "cannot open password database!" "segmentation fault"
[19:15] <Zeroyez> doesn't seem to be a very friendly bug
[19:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I think you've got installation issues there
[19:16] <Zeroyez> must have been from running grub-install to every possible combination in the world :/
[19:16] <IntuitiveNipple> the mini ISO may not have everything there
[19:16] <BUGabundo> yeah
[19:16] <BUGabundo> that's not exaclty what we are seeing!
[19:16] <IntuitiveNipple> I can't imagine grub causing those errors... they're OS issues during init
[19:16] <BUGabundo> or a network timeout
[19:16] <BUGabundo> during install
[19:17] <Zeroyez> oh, network timeout is most likely
[19:17] <Zeroyez> i experience 3 second lag spikes every 4 minutes
[19:17] <Infecto> Zeroyez: see dmesg
[19:18] <Zeroyez> think i'll just do a reinstall instead of having to spend hours having the mini install disc redownload the rescue portion of the cd to open up a shell and look at one output message :(
[19:20] <IntuitiveNipple> I've been enjoying using PXE-netboot for all the releases and flavours.
[19:20] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: from local archive?
[19:20] <zxd> jaunty have security updates?  it's supposed to be unstable ? unstables have security updates?
[19:21] <BUGabundo> I used to boot from Web mirrors
[19:21] <BUGabundo> no longer supporteed
[19:21] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Ubuntu/NetbootPxeLiveCDMultipleReleases
[19:21] <BUGabundo> zxd: no
[19:21] <BUGabundo> they just go to main archive
[19:22] <zxd> what is jaunty-security/
[19:22] <zxd> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-security/
[19:22] <Zeroyez> IntuitiveNipple: if i would have known about that page i'd have saved $20 on burnable dvd's
[19:22] <IntuitiveNipple> zxd: That's for when Jaunty has been released
[19:22] <BUGabundo> it should be empty
[19:22] <zxd> I see
[19:22] <BUGabundo> as are backports
[19:22] <BUGabundo> and updates
[19:22] <Infecto> any one use pidgin?
[19:22] <Zeroyez> i do :)
[19:22] <BUGabundo> Infecto: me
[19:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Zeroyez: What page? my Wiki article? I only wrote it end of last week :)
[19:23] <Infecto> to icq?
[19:23] <BUGabundo> 1000 crashs a min?
[19:23] <Infecto> i have problem with connect to server
[19:23] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: no... zxd question
[19:23] <Infecto> say that my client is to old
[19:23] <BUGabundo> Infecto: ask on #pidgin
[19:23] <Zeroyez> IntuitiveNipple: yes, although i've seen hundreds of similar ones...yours actually makes sense
[19:23] <Infecto> but i have last version from repo
[19:23] <Infecto> ok
[19:23] <BUGabundo> but make sure to read /topic
[19:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Zeroyez: thanks... it certainly makes things useful here for testing ... especially exploding a live-CD image and modifying its files for debugging
[19:24] <Infecto> ok ;)
[19:27] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I used to boot from local iso (mounted on grub)
[19:27] <tmeixner> I can't play music on a smb share with amorak on kubuntu. Local files work.  Is that normal?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> and even extrating the image content
[19:27] <BUGabundo> and then chroot from recovery console
[19:27] <BUGabundo> tmeixner: seems like a bug
[19:28] <BUGabundo> check LP for it
[19:28] <BUGabundo> agains gvfs
[19:28] <tmeixner> is that the smb implementation?
[19:30] <BUGabundo> its where stuff gets mounted now
[19:31] <akgraner> BUGabundo: how goes the day?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> calm!
[19:33] <BUGabundo> thanks
[19:35] <bruce89> tmeixner: it is on GNOME, so you're after kio probably
[19:42] <Zeroyez> when i install jaunty, what kernel should i be choosing - i want to use a laptop as a server for some stuffs, and a window comes up giving me the choice between linux-generic, linux-server, linux-image-generic, linux-image-server, linux-image-2.6.28-9-generic, linux-image-2.6.28-9-server
[19:43] <Zeroyez> first of all, what's the difference between linux-generic, linux-image-generic, and linux-image-2.6.28-9-generic?
[19:44] <xtknight> yo can someone do me a favor?
[19:45] <xtknight> "sudo apt-get install vlc-plugin-pulse vlc"  and start vlc.  select the PULSE audio output in the config.  then see if vlc plays audio properly
[19:46] <BUGabundo> xtknight: have something for you
[19:46] <xtknight> i always enjoy getting things
[19:46] <xtknight> ;)
[19:47] <BUGabundo> xtknight: from bryce logs :
[19:47] <BUGabundo>    * 139990 - Fixed & Uploaded - "Xorg with two video cards crashes or
[19:47] <BUGabundo> locks up"
[19:47] <BUGabundo> seems similar to the bug you mention yesterday
[19:47] <xtknight> hmmm
[19:47] <xtknight> my memory is failing me
[19:47] <BUGabundo> xtknight: I won't trust vlc pulse plugin
[19:47] <BUGabundo> only gave me trouble last time I tried it
[19:47] <xtknight> yeah i was going to file bugs on it and try to get it fixed
[19:48] <xtknight> about the xorg thing i cant even remember what i was talking about
[19:48] <xtknight> sure it was me?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> when I have sound back, I'll test it again
[19:48] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:48] <BUGabundo> either you or IntuitiveNipple
[19:48] <BUGabundo> memory fails on me 2
[19:48] <xtknight> yeah dunno
[19:49] <xtknight> and you have snd-hda-intel right?
[19:49] <xtknight> with the jack problem
[19:49] <BUGabundo> someone helping an user with 2 screen
[19:49] <BUGabundo> and failed to get to the login
[19:49] <BUGabundo> on kde I think
[19:49] <xtknight> oh that was IntuitiveNipple
[19:49]  * beardbar gives up on getting skype installed
[19:49] <xtknight> yea for sure
[19:49] <xtknight> i remember
[19:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Wasnt that the one where the user needed to unplug the 2nd screen?
[19:49] <xtknight> xorg not returning screen info correct and compiz messing
[19:50] <xtknight> or returning info for all screens as screen0
[19:50] <IntuitiveNipple> That issue Bryce is referring to is a different one - multiple physical video chipsets caused Xorg to fall over.
[19:51] <BUGabundo> beardbar: use medibuntu static package
[19:51] <BUGabundo> works great on 64bits
[19:51] <BUGabundo> and PulseAudio
[19:51] <BUGabundo> ah ok IntuitiveNipple
[19:51] <BUGabundo> got it wrong then
[19:51] <beardbar> could not get it to work, thats what i used, kept asking me for 32 bit libs when i tried to install
[19:51] <BUGabundo> twice
[19:51] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:52] <BUGabundo> beardbar: sudo apt-get install ia32?
[19:52] <beardbar> yep did that as well
[19:52] <IntuitiveNipple> There are a lot of regressions in the multiple-screen/monitor/device area at present
[19:52] <xtknight> my multiple monitors work great under twinview
[19:52] <Brinstar> i am having serious problems with sound on jaunty
[19:52] <xtknight> Brinstar, aren't we all
[19:53] <beardbar> im running 3 monitors fine, just no effects
[19:53] <xtknight> specifically?
[19:53] <Brinstar> haha oh is it that bad? :)
[19:53] <Brinstar> its cutting out when doing very basic things like watching movies, or playing games
[19:53] <beardbar> ya i havent been able to get sound to work either
[19:53] <xtknight> Brinstar, did you try tsched=0
[19:54] <Brinstar> xtknight: no, where should i use that?
[19:54] <alex_mayorga> beardbar: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free or something similar worked just fine here
[19:54] <xtknight> Brinstar,  gksu gedit /etc/pulse/default.pa
[19:54] <Brinstar> aha thanks
[19:54] <xtknight> add " tsched=0" after module-hal-detect and module-detect
[19:55] <xtknight> load-module module-hal-detect tsched=0
[19:55] <xtknight> load-module module-detect tsched=0
[19:55] <Brinstar> ok
[19:55] <beardbar> tried that too, doesnt work for amd64. ok ya guys have given me a second wind, starting from the top
[19:55] <xtknight> save the file.  now in console, "killall pulseaudio; pulseaudio"
[19:55] <BUGabundo> I just hope no one messes mine! its working 100%%%% great
[19:55] <BUGabundo> for the 1st time in months
[19:55] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: join the groups
[19:55] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: which groups
[19:56] <BUGabundo> no audio
[19:56] <BUGabundo> my latest attempt
[19:56] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/343258
[19:56] <Brinstar> ah ok
[19:57] <matrixblue> when the official release comes out we'll be upgraded automatically right?
[19:58] <xtknight> matrixblue, upgraded from jaunty dev to jaunty final, yes
[19:58] <xtknight> not from intrepid to jaunty
[19:58] <matrixblue> aight
[19:58] <matrixblue> is there any giant leap from Alpha to Beta?
[19:59] <xtknight> depends what alpha
[19:59] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: sorry to be stupid, but what do i do now, just report the bug again?
[19:59] <matrixblue> Alpha 6
[19:59] <xtknight> from alpha 6 probably not,  alpha 6->beta is usually small bugfix time
[19:59] <Brinstar> at the group?
[19:59]  * beardbar shakes head
[19:59] <xtknight> they freeze it after alpha 6 and start fixing bugs only, not introducing new features
[19:59] <xtknight> or something like that
[19:59]  * Brinstar lols
[19:59] <xtknight> Brinstar, so is your audio fixed after restarting pulseaudio?
[20:00] <beardbar> so i installed the packages fromd dolphin, and it installs skype first time fine. when i did from the command line it always errored out. lol so happy now
[20:00] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: depends!
[20:00] <BUGabundo> there are SO many bugs against audio now
[20:00] <BUGabundo> its hard for some one new and even old timers
[20:00] <BUGabundo> to see if its dupe or new
[20:00] <Brinstar> xtknight: i did that, now just waiting to see what happens
[20:00] <BUGabundo> if its new, we only get more and more
[20:00] <Brinstar> BUGabundo: thats what i thought
[20:00] <BUGabundo> and they will probably be forgten
[20:02] <Brinstar> yeah
[20:02] <Brinstar> xtknight: i think some updates came out today for pulseaudio
[20:02] <Brinstar> xtknight: did u check?
[20:02] <matrixblue> this is my first time Alpha testing Ubuntu
[20:03] <matrixblue> I hope they can really fix all the bugs within the next month
[20:03] <xtknight>   *  Reenable  0030_set_tsched0.patch,  which re‐disables glitch‐free;
[20:03] <xtknight> good move on his part...
[20:03] <beardbar> BUGabundo: has anyone written up any general troubleshooting guids for audio and oss that you know of?
[20:03] <matrixblue> my pidign keeps crashing and usb creator crashes as well
[20:04] <matrixblue> plus k3b and Brasero keep failing every 4th CD or so
[20:04] <xtknight> we should be concerned about stability, not new features all the time that are not ready for general use
[20:04] <Zeroyez> pidgin crashes a lot on windows too
[20:04] <tmeixner> matrixblue: I can confirm the usb-creator on kubuntu. but I saw there was already a bug report.
[20:04] <matrixblue> good point there
[20:04] <Brinstar> matrixblue: think of it as doing your bit, each time an app crashes on you its for the greater good :)
[20:04] <matrixblue> I do try to see it that way
[20:05] <Brinstar> really? pidgin has been rock solid for me so far on alpha
[20:05] <matrixblue> especially when these bug reports are more than 10 megs to upload
[20:05] <Brinstar> yeah i know
[20:05] <matrixblue> Do you use MSN?
[20:05] <Brinstar> yeah
[20:05]  * BUGabundo hasn't check updates today yet! 2G is too slow for that
[20:05] <Brinstar> msn and irc mostly
[20:05] <BUGabundo> beardbar: there are a few wiki pages plus dan and themuse blogs
[20:05] <matrixblue> I get some DNS error then it gives a segmentation fault
[20:06] <BUGabundo> xtknight: want stable? go debian
[20:06] <Brinstar> did u install alpha 6 as a new install?
[20:06] <xtknight> BUGabundo, but then we get no features
[20:06] <xtknight> ;)
[20:06] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: most pidgin crashs are plugin, network, or gtk related
[20:06] <xtknight> and i did try that....
[20:06] <matrixblue> I started with alpha5
[20:06] <Brinstar> hmm
[20:06] <Brinstar> you could have some settings left over from alpha 5 that were a bit screwy
[20:07] <BUGabundo> xtknight: can't have both
[20:07] <BUGabundo> errr you can but only with a lot more devs and code, and test...
[20:07] <BUGabundo> o wai
[20:07] <xtknight> but you can make smart decisions about the new features that go in
[20:07] <BUGabundo> oh wait.. that's what we are doing every 6 months
[20:07] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:07] <xtknight> there's a happy medium here
[20:07] <matrixblue> I disabled all my plugins
[20:08] <tmeixner> could someone please confirm that kubuntu amarok can't play files on a smb share before I file a bugreport?
[20:08] <xtknight> the kernel was ready to go in, ext4 was ready...no serious issues with those...
[20:09] <matrixblue> I'm beginning to think that a new version every 6 months is a bit excessive
[20:09] <xtknight> 9 months would be better
[20:09] <Zeroyez> lol how do i turn pc beep off
[20:09] <tmeixner> I think suse went to 8 month recently.
[20:10] <matrixblue> let's go with annually
[20:10] <xtknight> 3 more months to get all the bugs out...and yet we could all still be using jaunty
[20:10] <xtknight> annually isn't bad either
[20:10] <Zeroyez> backspace in console too much = very very very very very loud beep
[20:10] <xtknight> i'm not concerned about how it is now, i'm concerned how it's going to end up when it's released
[20:10] <Cycom> Zeroyez: rmmod pcspkr...
[20:10] <xtknight> bugs now are par for the course
[20:10] <xtknight> but a lot of times serious bugs still spill into the release
[20:10] <beardbar> xtknight: how many monitors you running, and did you get the bug when holding down keys in input boxes on non primary displays restarting kde?
[20:11] <Zeroyez> cycom: it's still beepin
[20:11] <matrixblue> Can we really expect magic in 5 weeks?
[20:11] <xtknight> beardbar, hrmm well i don't use kde, but i'm runnig 2 monitors
[20:11] <beardbar> ahh ok
[20:11] <Cycom> Zeroyez: you did "sudo rmmod pcspkr"?
[20:11] <Zeroyez> no just rmmod pcspkr, i don't have sudo installed as it's an annoyance to me
[20:11] <xtknight> Zeroyez, or terminal profile has options for the "terminal bell" which needs to be off
[20:12] <Cycom> Zeroyez: are you even running ubuntu?
[20:12] <Zeroyez> of course :)
[20:12] <xtknight> he's using root
[20:12] <Zeroyez> there's an option in the advanced install to install with "just root, ignore users, no sudo"
[20:12] <Cycom> Zeroyez: it's an unusual choice... but ok.
[20:12] <matrixblue> Why would someone do that?
[20:13] <Zeroyez> hey, it's normal on etch
[20:13] <xtknight> my brother does that with his kubuntu
[20:13] <crdlb> btw, use 'modprobe -r' not rmmod
[20:13] <matrixblue> that makes his installation just like windows
[20:13] <Zeroyez> indeed it does, who doesn't love windows?!
[20:13] <xtknight> i mean, i dont see the big deal with root privs all the time.  u pretty much need them to do anything useful
[20:14] <matrixblue> I don't
[20:14] <BUGabundo> Zeroyez: really??????
[20:14] <xtknight> and if a virus gets on ur pc without root privs, it can still delete all ur personal documents
[20:14] <Zeroyez> bah still beeping
[20:14] <crdlb> xtknight: accidents
[20:14] <BUGabundo> that's not the  buntu policy
[20:14] <xtknight> crdlb, yeah that's true
[20:14] <crdlb> it's much easier to back up your documents than your system
[20:14] <xtknight> well not really
[20:14] <Zeroyez> pssh who gets a virus without an internet browser
[20:14] <xtknight> i dont care so much about my system
[20:14] <xtknight> i can reinstall that
[20:15] <BUGabundo> xtknight: you just run test systems
[20:15] <Zeroyez> the most insecure peice of software on my system is apt-get
[20:15] <BUGabundo> you don't know what personal Computer is
[20:15] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:15] <xtknight> pfft ;p
[20:15] <xtknight> i reinstall every month anyway.  or end up doing that for whatever reason.  so that's why i dont care :0
[20:15] <matrixblue> Why do you re-install every month?
[20:15] <Zeroyez> ^ does same, except every 3 days
[20:15] <xtknight> haha
[20:16] <crdlb> I've only done two clean installs on this laptop ever (which I got in Dec 2004)
[20:16] <Brinstar> :)
[20:16] <Zeroyez> "oh, hit the wrong configure option on alsa, damnit, reinstalling"
[20:16] <crdlb> the first was gentoo, the second was ubuntu
[20:16] <BUGabundo> I resinstall around release
[20:16] <BUGabundo> and then distupgrade (or um -d)
[20:16] <Cycom> crdlb: how was gentoo on it?
[20:16] <xtknight> matrixblue, not necessarily true, but has been true lately.  i've been hit with a terrible nvidia bug and when i force rebooted my system, it more or less destroyed xorg.  was easier to reinstall.  and that took about 3 installs to debug that nvidia bug fully
[20:16] <xtknight> very, very elusive bug
[20:16] <crdlb> Cycom: fine?
[20:17] <xtknight> i keep my /home separate
[20:17] <Zeroyez> hmm, can i install the x server from intrepid on jaunty?
[20:17] <Cycom> crdlb: last time I installed gentoo I went nuts because stuff segfaulted constantly on x86. two different machines.
[20:17] <crdlb> ouch
[20:17] <xtknight>  / more or less does not change much at all, except for the packages i end up installing
[20:17] <Zeroyez> considering ATi sucks at updating graphics drivers
[20:18] <Cycom> Zeroyez: only if you don't run windows :)
[20:18] <crdlb> Zeroyez: you can try, it might not work though :)
[20:18] <matrixblue> I have an ATI card too
[20:18] <matrixblue> and they do suck
[20:18] <BUGabundo> xtknight: since hardy you can have just one partition
[20:18] <BUGabundo> installer will remove system files and keep users ones
[20:18] <xtknight> i always reinstall when a new ubuntu releas comes out.  dist-upgrades are recipes for disaster. no??
[20:18] <BUGabundo> IF you don't choose to format
[20:18] <crdlb> c'mon ATI, fglrx 9.3 has to support xserver 1.6 >_<
[20:18] <crdlb> if it doesn't, they might as well not release it ...
[20:19] <Zeroyez> they said they were putting 1.6 support in 9.4, not 9.3
[20:19] <crdlb> I know
[20:19] <Brinstar> ATI dont care about linux users
[20:19] <BUGabundo> xtknight: dist-upgrades work before alpah1
[20:19] <crdlb> but that's freaking stupid
[20:19] <Cycom> crdlb: I still get that nvidia bug with the stuff flashing black occasionally, but turning off anything related to VSync in compiz and nvidia settings has reduced/fixed it :)
[20:19] <Brinstar> nor do nvidia
[20:19] <BUGabundo> after that I would go with um -d
[20:19] <Zeroyez> are you sure Brinstar?
[20:19] <Brinstar> nvidia are lesser of two evils though
[20:19] <xtknight> BUGabundo, ah cool.  i did not know that.  still for disasters i like my /home separate.
[20:19] <crdlb> Brinstar: are you Kanye?
[20:20] <Zeroyez> every linux nvidia driver i have ever installed on any linux distro has worked with 0 problems
[20:20] <Brinstar> yeah if they did, they wouldnt consistently release such shitty drivers
[20:20] <Brinstar> crdlb: as in the singer, no, as in whoever else, no again :)
[20:20] <Zeroyez> however, every ati graphics driver on linux is more of a 1 in 100 it worked thing
[20:20] <xtknight> Zeroyez, lol i know
[20:20] <crdlb> Brinstar: I meant the singer :)
[20:20] <matrixblue> I just use the Mesa drivers
[20:21] <Brinstar> :)
[20:21] <BUGabundo> does every one see this on Update Manager
[20:21] <BUGabundo> E: The package cache file is corrupted
[20:21] <BUGabundo> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[20:21] <BUGabundo> ??????????
[20:21] <xtknight> try 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[20:21] <BUGabundo> me?
[20:21] <xtknight> yea
[20:21] <xtknight> the upside of always FUBARing your system is knowing how to fix it lol
[20:21] <Zeroyez> i found the best graphics support on jaunty is to install it in virtualbox with ati drivers on windows host and vbox drivers on ubuntu and use full screen mode :)
[20:21] <BUGabundo> nothing there
[20:21] <BUGabundo> and just one update?????
[20:22] <bruce89> !who | BUGabundo
[20:22] <BUGabundo> mirror must be crazy
[20:22] <Zeroyez> just pretend windows isn't there
[20:22] <Brinstar> intel drivers, even though the hardware is usually crap, are consistently stable
[20:22] <xtknight> Zeroyez, may be a good idea heheh
[20:22] <BUGabundo> bruce89: I think that was meant to xtknight
[20:22] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:22] <bruce89> och, whoever it was, read it
[20:22] <xtknight> Brinstar, i kinda disagree
[20:22] <BUGabundo> Brinstar: intel driver were good
[20:22] <Zeroyez> intel hardware is great
[20:22] <BUGabundo> until the EXA / UXA stuff pop in
[20:22] <SwedeMike> Brinstar: apart from for instance the fact that you can't use a GM4500HD on 8.10 even though drivers were released in july, way before it was really released.
[20:22] <Brinstar> xtknight: hehe i wish
[20:23] <xtknight> Brinstar, someone yesterday was affected by a memory leak in the intel drivers afaik and the intel wireless iwl3945 has been terrible for my other friend
[20:23] <xtknight> i thought they were awesome too until i saw these problems
[20:23] <Brinstar> SwedeMike: yeah but for the larger number of cards intel have, the drivers are good though
[20:23] <xtknight> they sure seem to support linux more and have more open source stuff...
[20:23] <SwedeMike> I'm actually running UXA on 9.04 and it usually works, at last with vblank off
[20:23] <Brinstar> i know there have been problems recently like with the GMA900 and as you say the 4500HD
[20:25] <Brinstar> xtknight: i see what you mean, but on the whole, i notice a lot more people raise support queries for ATI drivers than for intel ones
[20:25] <xtknight> Brinstar, yup
[20:25] <CarlFK1> what package will satisfy  ffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libavutil.so.50: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:25] <xtknight> CarlFK1, none on jaunty
[20:25] <xtknight> you will have to compile libavutil
[20:26] <xtknight> u prolly compiled ffmpeg or something?
[20:26] <crdlb> if you did, just rebuild ffmpeg
[20:26] <Brinstar> with ATI its like getting the drivers to work is a game in itself
[20:26] <crdlb> that's just an ABI soname bump
[20:26] <crdlb> Brinstar: except for radeon :D
[20:26] <Brinstar> hehe
[20:26] <CarlFK1> xtknight: right - trying to build in x264
[20:27] <BUGabundo> CarlFK1: isn't x264 already in?
[20:27] <CarlFK1> crdlb: I just did, ran it, got that message.
[20:27] <BUGabundo> I watch stuff fine
[20:27] <BUGabundo> or is it encoding?
[20:27] <crdlb> CarlFK1: then it's looking in the wrong place I guess
[20:27] <CarlFK1> BUGabundo: right - trying to encode
[20:27] <SwedeMike> oh, and sometimes when I resume from suspend I am logged out because something crashed.. I don't know if it's compiz or the X server, but it has restarted.
[20:28] <crdlb> is libavutil is part of ffmpeg?
[20:28] <xtknight> i think
[20:28] <crdlb> SwedeMike: with intel?
[20:28] <SwedeMike> crdlb: yes. Thinkpad X200 with 4500
[20:28] <crdlb> there's a bug filed for that
[20:29] <SwedeMike> ah. nice. I didn't know what to file it for.
[20:30] <BUGabundo> SwedeMike: me too
[20:30] <BUGabundo> bug 335465
[20:31] <BUGabundo> its invalid?
[20:31] <Brinstar> offtopic but thats what i gotta get next, the x200
[20:31] <crdlb> CarlFK1: what prefix did you use?
[20:31] <xtknight> BUGabundo, because he has to provide bryce with a backtrace before the bug is valid again
[20:31] <BUGabundo> xtknight: He is ME
[20:31] <xtknight> well he=yo
[20:31] <xtknight> :P
[20:32] <SwedeMike> hm, that doesn't match my behaviour
[20:32] <maco> its still a valid bug...
[20:32] <BUGabundo> I closed it and forgot about it
[20:32] <crdlb>  there's a different bug against the intel driver
[20:32] <maco> just not a useful one :P
[20:32] <BUGabundo> maco I can't ssh to the machine
[20:32] <BUGabundo> if that's the only one I have in hand when it crashes
[20:32] <SwedeMike> hm, oki, this started happening a few weeks back, before that I had little problems. like most of january was stable.
[20:33] <BUGabundo> SwedeMike: agreed
[20:33] <SwedeMike> for me it just restarts, I have little problem apart from the fact I have to login again and restart applications
[20:33] <crdlb> when it happens here, X sometimes shows a trace in VT7 mentioning a double-free
[20:33] <SwedeMike> let me look at Xorg log
[20:34] <BUGabundo> crdlb: here too
[20:34] <BUGabundo> but not always
[20:34] <BUGabundo> last one, I got reconnect to tty 7
[20:34] <SwedeMike> oh, and now it happened again, I just get static in mplayer when playing ... then pulseaudio dies, restarts by itself, and then everything is fine again for a while
[20:34] <BUGabundo> and not 8 as usual, with trace on 7
[20:34] <alex_mayorga> confirm please https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/343316
[20:36] <Brinstar> that happens to me too SwedeMike
[20:36] <Brinstar> it just works for a few minutes then stops then returns
[20:37] <exco> someone else having problems with wireless? (disconnects every few minutes, slow "authentication", ...)
[20:37] <SwedeMike> Brinstar: well, mine can work for several hours then it starts misbehaving, I restart mplayer a couple of times, pulseaudio says internal error, dies, mplayer uses alsa, I restart mplayer again, everything is fine again, it's using pulse again
[20:37] <BUGabundo> exco: are you far way from the AP?
[20:38] <exco> not further than in Intrepid/Hardy ;-)
[20:38] <BUGabundo> need a confirmation for bug 297523
[20:38] <exco> about 5 meters
[20:38] <BUGabundo> exco: many drivers have change
[20:38] <BUGabundo> oh ok... that's close
[20:38] <BUGabundo> WPA? WPA2?
[20:39] <SwedeMike> http://pastebin.com/m42fadc68 I think this is when my intel Xorg dies
[20:39] <exco> the intel 2915abg is particularly worse than before - I have to use an additional pcmcia ralink card to have somewhat useable internet
[20:40] <SwedeMike> well, at least intel 5ghz works again
[20:40] <xtknight> BUGabundo, hmm not sure exactly how to reproduce this.  which column are u resizing?
[20:41] <exco> BUGabundo: wpa2 is a nogo - have to try that again a few more times, but the ralink card doesn't support it so I'm now using wpa only to be able to switch to the second card if the first one won't connect
[20:41] <BUGabundo> xtknight: any
[20:41] <BUGabundo> ususally 1st
[20:41] <xtknight> BUGabundo, "Package"?
[20:41] <xtknight> i dont get a resize column on the "S" or " " columns
[20:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I've found another apparent bug/issue with pulseaudio. Can anyone else confirm this? Whilst a local mp3 is playing in Rhythmbox the Gnome panel System Monitor network monitor shows a high level of network activity - it didn't do that previously. Using iftop I can see 1.73Mbps of traffic on "lo"
[20:41] <xtknight> but i cannot seem to reproduce it
[20:42] <BUGabundo> xtknight: trying to search any thing and resize any collum tends to fail to me
[20:42] <xtknight> BUGabundo, hmmm
[20:42] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I think that because some apps are streaming the sound via TCP
[20:42] <BUGabundo> now that PA accept it
[20:42] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: that 'first-click' issue isn't limited to Synaptic, and it has been around since Hardy. I often get it with Nautilus for example
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: that would make sense.
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: annoying though since I can't filter in the System Monitor
[20:43] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: are you sure? I only see it on Syn
[20:43] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: install/add the netspeed applet
[20:43] <BUGabundo> and set it to Lo
[20:43] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: very... it has been frustrating me for over a year. I made a bug report about it ages ago
[20:43] <BUGabundo> I have 2
[20:44] <xtknight> i can't tell which bug u guys are talking about
[20:44] <BUGabundo> one for lo and one for card (wifi, 3g,vpn, wired)
[20:44] <BUGabundo> xtknight: by now. me neither
[20:44] <BUGabundo> my attention span is close to zero
[20:45] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: just be aware and please test bug 335507
[20:45] <BUGabundo> if you install it
[20:45] <exco> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/d5ad6cd48 I don't see anything particular that's wrong...
[20:46] <xtknight> IntuitiveNipple, well sending stuff over 'lo' is just like using a named pipe...but i dont see any traffic on lo at all with iftop
[20:46] <xtknight> while playing audio in totem
[20:46] <BUGabundo> exco: you won't see anything there
[20:46] <BUGabundo> you need to enable debug
[20:46] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingNetworkManager
[20:47] <BUGabundo> xtknight: my lo is at 2.7KiBs
[20:47] <xtknight> BUGabundo, sudo iftop -i lo
[20:47] <xtknight> ?
[20:47] <BUGabundo> sudo: iftop: command not found
[20:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[20:47] <BUGabundo> serves nethogs?
[20:47] <xtknight> apt-get it
[20:47] <exco> BUGabundo: I will read that and file a bug report/s - the jaunty forum is full of wireless issues btw
[20:48] <BUGabundo> TX:             cumm:  77.0KB   peak:    273Kb                                                rates:   13.3Kb  77.0Kb  77.0Kb
[20:48] <xtknight> ya i get 0 0 0 0 0 0 nothing whatsoever while playing audio
[20:48] <BUGabundo> exco: I'm subcribed to all NM packages
[20:48] <BUGabundo> so I know how much bug mail it gets
[20:48] <xtknight> and i know it's not broken.  ping localhost gives me traffic
[20:48] <BUGabundo> I just have pidgin and FF
[20:50] <BUGabundo> brb
[20:50] <BUGabundo> friend at door
[21:17] <herenbdy> heya... changed to Jaunty Jackelope on my EEE PC, now when windows maximize, they completely ignore the top panel
[21:17] <herenbdy> if I set the panel to Autohide, maximized windows still go too far
[21:18] <herenbdy> really annoying.. can't see the title bars :(
[21:18] <BUGabundo1> you guys are really obbeying! lol I asked and you guys stood calm until I came back... nice
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> ok
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> corner case but need a confirmation
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> kmail on gnome
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> opening links fails the 1st time
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> works on the next few for a while
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> if I stop a few minutes
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> the 1st attemp fails again
[21:26] <BUGabundo1> kio bug?
[21:28] <BUGabundo1> where is everyone??
[21:28] <YDdraigGoch> Here!
[21:29] <YDdraigGoch> BUGabundo1, was that meant to be a #ubuntu=bugs question? :)
[21:29] <BUGabundo1> YDdraigGoch: not quite
[21:29] <BUGabundo1> its a jaunty thing
[21:29] <BUGabundo1> actaully its NEW
[21:29] <BUGabundo1> started this week
[21:35] <melik> anyone know what all the kinit errors and synaptic resume reset errors are about?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> I don't
[21:35] <BUGabundo> but I think I already told you that
[21:35] <melik> yeah you did, i remember
[21:35] <melik> :$
[21:35] <rayne_> How is the current build of Jaunty?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> and asked to be put on the loop if you find out
[21:36] <BUGabundo> rayne_: give it a try your self
[21:36] <melik> BUGabundo, where can i find the bootup log file?
[21:36] <rayne_> BUGabundo, Thinking about it, if it is reasonably stable :)
[21:36] <melik> im in /var/log/
[21:36] <BUGabundo> boot? dmesg? kernel?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> any of them
[21:37] <BUGabundo> rayne_: ppl on #ubuntu+1 feel its is quite stable for an alpha
[21:37] <rayne_> BUGabundo, Will I be able to update to final release through it? Or will it require a complete re-install?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> sure
[21:37] <rayne_> Again that is... after installing the latest Alpha
[21:38] <BUGabundo> ah??
[21:38] <BUGabundo> update-manager makes it all good
[21:38] <hggdh> rayne_, if you keep on updating from current Jaunty, you will get the final release
[21:38] <BUGabundo> talking on updates, no new packages today?
[21:38] <hggdh> or, for that matter, any Jaunty you install
[21:38] <BUGabundo> did archive admins took weekend off?
[21:39] <rayne_> hggdh, Do you have a linky for the current build?
[21:39] <hggdh> there is a link for daily builds, but you can pretty much just get alpha6
[21:39] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[21:40] <hggdh> thanks, BUGabundo
[21:40] <rayne_> Thanks
[21:40] <BUGabundo> no prob
[21:40] <BUGabundo> I have it on hand
[21:42] <rayne_> Anything I should try once I boot up Jaunty?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> rayne_: Backups Backups Backups
[21:43] <BUGabundo> and after that Backups  ?
[21:43] <rayne_> lol
[21:43] <BUGabundo> plus read the release notes
[21:43] <BUGabundo> I'm not laughing
[21:43] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[21:43] <BUGabundo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha6
[21:43] <rayne_> I have use 3 partitions, so the only one I will be effecting is the OS one
[21:43] <BUGabundo> not really
[21:43] <BUGabundo> I've been hit by upgrades that mess users conf files
[21:44] <BUGabundo> or isntallers emptying entire disks
[21:44] <BUGabundo> or user error
[21:44] <BUGabundo> or even a laptop never boot again (this past week on one of my FOSS class)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> so Backups Backups Backups
[21:45] <melik> when is the beta due?
[21:48] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[21:48] <BUGabundo> melik: ^^^^^
[21:49] <melik> oh wow, so close =)
[21:50] <BUGabundo> eeheh
[21:51] <Dembroski13> hello
[21:51] <BUGabundo> Dembroski13: hi
[21:52] <Dembroski13> I decided to give in and install the beta. I ran 8.10 sence the 5th alpha I think
[21:53] <hggdh> Dembroski13, you mean the alpha6, right?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> no
[21:53] <Dembroski13> for 8.10 I got the alpha 5
[21:53] <BUGabundo> he means beta on jaunty
[21:53] <BUGabundo> and a5 on ibex
[21:53] <BUGabundo> on jaunty I started the earliest ever
[21:53] <hggdh> ? are we already on beta?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> pre alpha1
[21:53] <BUGabundo> hggdh: not yet
[21:54] <hggdh> so there...
[21:54] <BUGabundo> again, Dembroski13 said he would start using jaunty on beta
[21:54] <BUGabundo> heeh
[21:54] <hggdh> ah. I am really slow today...
[21:54] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:54] <Dembroski13> correct. I'm downloading it now.
[21:55] <hggdh> OTH, I just succeeded on rebooting after a weird error, so I guess I have a nice excuse ;-)
[21:56] <BUGabundo> Dembroski13: tehre no beta yet
[21:56] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:57]  * BUGabundo this is getting confused
[21:57] <Dembroski13> Yes. indeed it is
[21:57]  * hggdh welcomes BUGabundo
[21:58] <hggdh> to the same confused area
[21:59] <BUGabundo> Dembroski13: alpha 6 come out this week
[21:59] <BUGabundo> you can have a more up to date daily image
[21:59] <BUGabundo> check
[21:59] <Dembroski13> I know. I'm install alpha 5
[21:59] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[21:59] <BUGabundo> to know the release date of beta
[21:59] <BUGabundo> Alpha5 is really old
[21:59] <BUGabundo> get A6 or daily
[21:59] <Dembroski13> I am aware of that
[21:59] <BUGabundo> and save the bandwith of updating
[22:00] <BUGabundo> or installer probs/bugs
[22:00] <Dembroski13> So stop the download of alpha 5?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> sure
[22:00] <BUGabundo> if you just started
[22:01]  * BUGabundo to help us relax, /me offers http://www.funtasticus.com/20090310/tooshie-tuesday-march-10-2009/ (NSFW)
[22:01] <Dembroski13> I have downloaded like 900 packages
[22:02] <BUGabundo> packages???
[22:02] <BUGabundo> or iso ?
[22:03] <Dembroski13> packages...like I said
[22:03] <BUGabundo> please explain
[22:04] <Dembroski13> It says 950 out of 1108 packages downloaded
[22:04] <Dembroski13> I'm doing it through the "Distribution upgrade"
[22:05] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:05] <BUGabundo> using update-manager -d ?
[22:05] <Dembroski13> correct
[22:06] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:06] <Dembroski13> Should I just cancel it?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> no no
[22:26] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I've just updated your bug #335507
[22:27] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:27]  * BUGabundo looks
[22:28] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: I'm not that noob
[22:28] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:28] <BUGabundo> I know about the combo
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I enable and disable it at will
[22:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Well, with that enabled I can monitor all the devices
[22:29] <BUGabundo> not for me
[22:29]  * DanaG is bored
[22:29] <BUGabundo> that's the bug
[22:29] <BUGabundo> its stopped working for wired
[22:29]  * DanaG wishes open-source ATI driver supported compiz.  =þ
[22:29] <DanaG> and power management.
[22:30] <BUGabundo> and the world was a safer place, no?
[22:30] <IntuitiveNipple> So you select eth0 and nothing is reported?
[22:32]  * DanaG wishes there were a fglrx for jaunty NOW.
[22:34] <maco> DanaG: it does
[22:34] <maco> DanaG: well depends on the card
[22:34] <DanaG> Not for R600.
[22:34] <DanaG> I guess I should've been more specific.
[22:35] <maco> but on a radeon 9250, fglrx will do compiz at like 1fps and menus wont open. but with -ati open source, it's great. i once fought opensuse when it tried to force fglrx for that card with compiz :P
[22:35] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple: eth0 just shows as unplug
[22:35] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: but it is the active connection on the system?
[22:36] <BUGabundo> sure
[22:38] <IntuitiveNipple> It calls glibtop_get_netload(). There was an update to libgtop2-7 very recently
[22:39] <IntuitiveNipple> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/libg/libgtop2/libgtop2_2.25.91-0ubuntu1/changelog
[22:41] <lbt> Hi, a clean install of jaunty just gave me the old  perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").      http://pastebin.com/d3c65eb36
[22:42] <lbt> I'm pretty sure this is becase LC_TIME = "en_GB", and not LC_TIME = "en_GB.UTF-8"
[22:45] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: yes that would do it
[22:45] <IntuitiveNipple> How did you install Jaunty?
[22:45] <lbt> iso into VirtualBox
[22:46] <matrixblue> Did anyone ever figure out how to change your keyring password?
[22:46] <lbt> I can't see where LC_TIME is set
[22:46] <lbt> file /etc/default/locale only has :  LANG="en_GB.UTF-8"
[22:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I meant as in which installation method? live-CD, alternate CD, debboostrap ?
[22:47] <IntuitiveNipple> It comes from the locale
[22:47] <lbt> sorry, 1sec
[22:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I solved that in a set of scripts for installing to VMs using debboostrap a while ago... let me dig out the article.
[22:48] <lbt> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/ then mounted iso as a CDROM
[22:48] <lbt> then normal desktop install to 8Gb vdk file/disk
[22:49] <lbt> AFAICT I was simulating a normal install
[22:49] <lbt> and, TBH this has plagued every Debian/Ubuntu install I've ever had <grin>
[22:50] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: The key will be the packages language-pack-en language-pack-en-base and having...
[22:50] <lbt> trivial problem that I can't fix "properly"
[22:50] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt... /etc/localtime symlinked to the correct zoneinfo
[22:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Here's what my script does: sudo ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/${UML_TZ} /etc/localtime
[22:51] <lbt> there is no localetime
[22:51] <DanaG> ugh, damned PIO sdhc card reader.
[22:51] <DanaG> No DMA == suckage.
[22:52] <lbt> sorry I looked for localEtime; localtime is not a symlink
[22:52] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: sudo ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London /etc/localtime
[22:53] <lbt> I'm more reporting it to be fixed pre-release :)
[22:53] <IntuitiveNipple> If the zoneinfo is missing that's the "tzdata" package
[22:53] <BUGabundo> ppl see you tomorrow
[22:53] <BUGabundo> [[]]
[22:53] <IntuitiveNipple> BUGabundo: I'm building you a debug version of netspeed_applet2 to get some info
[22:53] <lbt> no, zoneinfo is there and fine
[22:54] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: Looks like something didn't manage to create the initial link.
[22:54] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:54] <lbt> no, it created a file though
[22:55] <lbt> damn, I deleted it
[22:55] <lbt> it looks like something copied the London file
[22:55] <lbt> (same size)
[22:57] <lbt> is it worth putting on launchpad?
[23:00] <IntuitiveNipple> If you can reproduce it, yes.
[23:02] <lbt> OK - ta
[23:08] <danbhfive> !schedule
[23:11] <lbt> IntuitiveNipple: that didn't fix it :(
[23:11] <IntuitiveNipple> which "that" in particular?
[23:11] <lbt> linking /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/London
[23:12] <lbt> I found several bugs<PHONE_NUMBER>35
[23:13] <lbt> which seems a harsh summary. A "standard" ubuntu response to typing "perl" is 9 lines of error
[23:15] <bruce89> bug 315335
[23:15] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: Just looked at my script again. The other thing it does is write to /etc/environment "LANG=${UML_LANG}"
[23:16] <IntuitiveNipple> UML_LANG is a valid language string
[23:16] <lbt> :)
[23:17] <lbt> but LANG is set... ?
[23:18] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah... you say LC_TIME looked wrong though?
[23:18] <lbt> I did
[23:18] <lbt> it's en_GB
[23:18] <lbt> it should be en_GB.UTF-8
[23:18] <lbt> (or = $LANG)
[23:18] <lbt> AFAIUI
[23:18] <IntuitiveNipple> that is weird. That looks like it got chopped by a sed operation :)
[23:19] <lbt> well....
[23:19] <lbt> en_GB is valid I think
[23:19] <lbt> but not if LANG is more explicit
[23:19] <lbt> I *think*
[23:20] <lbt> or maybe not
[23:21] <lbt> LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8 perl is nice and quiet
[23:21] <DanaG> oh yeah, so I finally did get Jaunty on an SDHC card.
[23:22] <DanaG> What's up with g-p-m using the OLD notifications for brightness?
[23:29] <melik> http://omploader.org/vMWR3Mw/pasta
[23:30] <melik> anyone know what thats all about?
[23:39] <IntuitiveNipple> melik: It means what it says. You're not running a real-time kernel so there's no RT support
[23:40] <melik> it kept crashing flashplugin
[23:40] <IntuitiveNipple> really?
[23:40] <melik> i just added my user to pulse-rt
[23:40] <melik> and its fine now
[23:40] <melik> yeah IntuitiveNipple
[23:41] <IntuitiveNipple> nice one! post a bug report for that!
[23:41] <lbt> As an aside that's not actually what it says. It says the user doesn't have privileges, not that the feature isn't in the kernel
[23:41] <IntuitiveNipple> lbt: yeah, I was being liberal.
[23:41] <lbt> sorry :)
[23:42] <IntuitiveNipple> real-time isn't going to be enabled for pulseaudio because the preempt stuff can cause more issues than we care to deal with
[23:42] <melik> yeah going to ahead now
[23:42] <IntuitiveNipple> thanks melik
[23:42] <IntuitiveNipple> That's a neat discovery... suggests the package might add users to that group regardless of RT caps
[23:42] <melik> well ill be honest, i don't really know if that was the reason flash kept crashing.
[23:42] <melik> but i'm pretty sure
[23:51] <melik> IntuitiveNipple, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/343413
[23:51] <melik> is that fine, i havent reported a bug before :/
[23:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Let's see if I can reproduce it :)
[23:53] <melik> im not really sure if it was because of pulse-rt
[23:53] <melik> but it seems to be working fine now
[23:57] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm... flaw in my plan... need a way to make flash crash on demand :D
[23:58] <hix> u should be in groups: pulse, pulse-rt, pulse-access  it seems. I had no sound in flash, this made it work
[23:59] <IntuitiveNipple> I've always had flash sound withouth those


[13:20] <mdz> apw, do we still need /proc/version_signature now that uname() provides all of the relevant information?
[14:59] <cnd> where is the modules.alias file in the initramfs generated?
[14:59] <cnd> anyone know?
[15:09] <smb> cnd, Not for sure. Either when running update-initramfs or taking the one generated when installing the kernel. Probably depmod -a and then update-initramfs helps
[15:09] <cnd> smb, thanks, I think I've found what I need
[15:12] <JFo> hi folks, I have been having some issues getting to a few systems, so I don't have the weekly buglist e-mail out. I'll send the few I have to the list in just a minute for the call.
[16:40] <cnd> apw: install vga16fb /sbin/load-vga16fb $CMDLINE_OPTS
[16:40] <cnd> that in /etc/modprobe.d/vga16fb.conf
[18:30] <ia> hello. could anyone tell me, please, does linux kernel in lucid with proprietary nvidia driver has kms support for nvidia [ion] cards?
[18:31] <jjohansen> ia: no the proprietary driver will never have kms support
[18:34] <ia> jjohansen: ok, thanks for information.
[18:34] <ia> and how about gma500/poulsbo?
[18:35] <mjg59> ia: No
[18:48] <nosse1> Is there some nifty tool for comparing two kernel config files?
[19:00] <bladernr_> Can anyone tell me real quick what package opens up the "Default Application" windows to open when a USB device is connected to a Lucid box?
[19:01] <bladernr_> I'm only asking here as it has something to do with the USB subsystem
[19:01] <bladernr_> I just don't know what to open the bug against yet...
[19:16] <nosse1> Where can I find representative kernel settings for Ubuntu (ARM Lucid)? I'm trying to build an ARM kernel in which to run Lucid, however I need to know which kernel feats that needs to be enables (e.g. upstart req'd DEVTMPFS)
[19:17] <bjf> nosse1, which arm proc are you targeting? have you looked at the lucid topic branches in our git repo?
[19:18] <nosse1> I'm targeting AM3517. I'm trying to bring up Lucid on the TI AM3517-evm
[19:19] <nosse1> What's the URL to your git repo?
[19:23] <bjf> nosse1, git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git
[19:23] <amitk> nosse1: meld is a great tool
[19:25] <nosse1> amikt: Thanks, but that a ordinary diff tool. Many times the kernel settings are out of order, so you need to sort the file or something in advance
[19:25] <bjf> nosse1, we don't have anything better than meld (no special tools)
[19:26] <nosse1> oh, ok
[19:35] <nosse1> Ush. Same as last time upstart dies with "procps main process terminated with status 255"
[19:35] <nosse1> ..so what kernel option have I forgot to enable.... hmmm
[19:47] <nosse1> I have now cloned the ubuntu kernel repo. Where can I start to find kernel settings?
[19:50] <nosse1> .. I found it
[19:55] <bjf> nosse1, if you are interested in the arm configs you want to checkout one of them
[19:56] <bjf> nosse1, there are 4 arm topic branches
[19:57] <nosse1> Yes, I found some in debian.master/
[19:57] <nosse1> debian.master/config/*
[20:00] <amitk> nosse1: as bjf pointed out, the arm configs are in the arm branches in git (git branch -a). You'll find them in the respective debian.<soc>/config/
[20:04]  * nosse1 is noob: How do I switch the branch including the checked out files? "git checkout -b remotes/origin/ti-omap" ?
[20:17] <bjf> nosse1, in your clone tree do a 'git branch -r'
[20:18] <bjf> nosse1, that will show you all the topic branches
[20:19] <bjf> nosse1, I then (for example) 'git branch --track ti-omap origin/ti-omap;git checkout ti-omap'
[20:20] <nosse1> bjf: I think I messed up my git repo. How can I reset everything the way it was, without cloning everything for scratch?
[20:21] <mjg59> git reset --hard
[20:22] <mjg59> Will let you go to a specific sha
[20:22] <mjg59> But it kind of depends what you're trying to do
[20:23] <nosse1> I have messed up using git branch, and now I just junk branches which I'm trying to rid myself of.
[20:35] <nosse1> bjf: Thanks
[23:05] <crimsun> manjo: thanks for following up on those mic bugs. :-)


[06:57] <inetpro> good morning
[07:56] <nuvolari> inetpro: It's annoying.
[07:56] <nuvolari> thanks for the link!
[07:58] <inetpro> nuvolari: is it not just a matter of getting used to it?
[07:58] <inetpro> we all hate change
[08:40] <nuvolari> I couldn't get used to it
[08:40] <nuvolari> and it's frustrating most of the time
[08:52] <inetpro> nuvolari: no worries
[08:52] <inetpro> tbh I also found it annoying
[08:56] <charlvn> good morning all
[08:56] <charlvn> what's the annoyance today?
[08:56] <nlsthzn> o/
[08:56] <nlsthzn> \o
[08:57] <inetpro> charlvn: nuvolari's sliders
[08:58] <charlvn> sliders???
[08:58] <inetpro> or rather the new ubuntu overlay-scrollbar
[08:58] <charlvn> ah
[08:58] <charlvn> yes i know the feeling
[08:58] <charlvn> although i guess it's just a matter of getting used to it
[08:59] <inetpro> luckily we don't have them in kubuntu
[09:00] <inetpro> nlsthzn: wb
[09:01] <charlvn> yup also on kubuntu here
[09:01] <inetpro> nlsthzn: 09/05 20:47:52 <Kilos> inetpro, do me a favour and say hi to neil if you see him online during the day please
[09:02] <nlsthzn> thanks inetpro ... yes... time has been scarce... could you return the favour if you see him before me?
[09:02] <inetpro> :-)
[09:03] <nlsthzn> having used the sliders since inception I have gotten used to them... still find them annoying sometimes
[09:04] <inetpro> nlsthzn: will do with pleasure if I have a chance
[09:04] <inetpro> I guess he's run out of airtime again
[09:04] <nlsthzn> :(
[09:04] <nlsthzn> thanks inetpro
[09:17] <nuvolari> I doubt one can get used to it...
[09:26] <nlsthzn> when it works like it should there is no distraction... then the next app comes and I am all over the place :p
[09:40] <charlvn> i would find it hard to get worked up about something as simple as a scrollbar... to think we still need to have a discussion like this in 2012, you would think we would be on to bigger and better things by now
[09:40] <charlvn> than having to rethink UI concepts from the 80's/90's
[09:40] <charlvn> don't get me wrong, i am all for innovation... but seriously, some things are just not meant to be changed right?
[09:41] <charlvn> this feels to me a bit like "we should start to eat from square-shaped plates instead of round-shaped plates"
[09:41] <charlvn> or "we need to adopt a hybrid fork-spoon or use chopsticks"
[09:43] <charlvn> sure, there might be practical advantages... but seriously... let's just move to dvorak keyboards first :P
[09:47] <nlsthzn> got to agree... ox wagens is still the way to go...
[09:48] <nlsthzn> just saying :p
[09:51] <charlvn> yeah, they are eco friendly after all; they run off organic renewable fuel sources and and the ox droppings can be used as fertilizer
[10:15] <nuvolari> lol ++
[11:44] <inetpro> hmm....
[11:45] <inetpro> nuvolari: didn't you say you use a dvorak keyboard anyway?
[11:48] <charlvn> i would use a dvorak keyboard if i only used one computer but i use various computers and some of them are not my property
[11:48] <charlvn> and various other people use them as well
[11:48] <charlvn> so it would just confuse the living cr4p out of me considering typing is something i do subconciously
[12:10] <inetpro> wb morgs
[12:10] <morgs> hi inetpro
[12:16] <superfly> hey morgs
[12:16] <morgs> hi superfly
[12:16] <morgs> first production site deployed on Server 12.04 - very shiny.
[12:16] <superfly> morgs: great
[13:22] <nlsthzn> http://debian-handbook.info/get/
[13:38] <charlvn> hi morgs, long time no speak to
[13:39] <morgs> charlvn: hi!
[13:39] <morgs> charlvn: you with ushahidi now, right?
[13:39] <charlvn> morgs: no i left ushahidi back in feburary
[13:41] <charlvn> morgs: you still with praekelt?
[13:41] <morgs> charlvn: yup
[13:42] <nlsthzn> http://debian-handbook.info/get/
[13:42] <nlsthzn> crap... sorry didn't see I had posted the link already :/
[13:42] <charlvn> lol
[13:42] <charlvn> it happens
[14:03] <superfly> nice, thanks nlsthzn
[14:03] <superfly> hrm, all the teal-coloured people are in IRC today
[14:03] <nlsthzn> np superfly ...
[14:03] <charlvn> teal-coloured?
[14:04] <superfly> charlvn: yeah, my IRC client colours nicks, and it has set the colour for you, inetpro, morgs and nlsthzn to teal
[14:04] <charlvn> haha
[14:04] <charlvn> what client is that, if you don't mind me asking?
[14:04] <nlsthzn> I got most yellow :p
[14:05] <superfly> charlvn: Quassel
[14:05] <charlvn> ah yes
[14:05] <charlvn> have used it once or twice
[14:05] <superfly> I use it for its bouncer setup
[14:06]  * superfly prefers not having to log into a server to
[14:16] <Squirm> hello
[14:21] <charlvn> hi Squirm
[14:27] <Squirm> home time
[14:30] <inetpro> superfly: you upgraded to quassel-0.8.0 ?
[14:30] <superfly> inetpro: it seems so
[14:31] <marcog> superfly: the irssi nickcolour script lets you change colours for nicks if they're not what you want
[14:31] <marcog> i love that feature
[14:32] <marcog> although i wish clients were more intelligent about assigning same colour to nicks who often talk at the same time or have the same length
[14:35] <superfly> marcog: it doesn't bother me, I thought it was just interesting/humourous that all the teal-coloured nicks were the ones that were talking at the time
[14:37] <Squirm> home
[14:40] <WOLFEYES> Good day everyone
[14:41] <superfly> hi WOLFEYES
[14:41] <WOLFEYES> how you doing
[14:44] <marcog> superfly: interestingly enough, btw, you, morgs and charlvn are all red by default in irssi
[14:44] <marcog> superfly: i find it much easier to follow when colours are distinct
[14:46] <superfly> marcog: yeah, mine are usually distinct too (you're a bright pink, for whatever reason, and Squirm is red)
[14:50] <WOLFEYES> lol
[15:05] <inetpro> superfly: hang on, how did you set the colors?
[15:06]  * inetpro just noticed that I'm also on quassel-0.8.0
[16:25] <WOLFEYES> nite eveyone
[16:45] <mazal> Evening all
[17:40] <Mezenir> greetings
[17:45] <Squirm> evening
[17:49] <superfly> hi Mezenir, Squirm
[17:52] <Mezenir> whats new tonight
[18:00] <Kilos> hi superfly and other fellas
[18:01] <Kilos> hi refusenik
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <Kilos> evening psydroid inetpro etc etc\
[18:01] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:01] <charlvn> hi all
[18:01] <charlvn> hi kilos
[18:01] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[18:02] <Kilos> zeref, where are you?
[18:02] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> yo Mezenir
[18:02] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> mmm i feel popular tonight
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: Neil is sending regards
[18:03] <Kilos> ah ty very much inetpro
[18:03] <inetpro> says time has been scarce
[18:03] <Kilos> i miss lots just visiting here at night
[18:04] <Kilos> is all well with everyone inetpro ?
[18:04] <Kilos> here and home?
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: no big stresses that I know of
[18:05] <Kilos> good
[18:05] <inetpro> apart from primary school driving me up the walls with to many projects
[18:05] <inetpro> for the kids
[18:06] <Kilos> what kinda projects
[18:06] <Kilos> oh their homework
[18:06] <inetpro> with activities and all on many afternoons there's not a lot of time for homework
[18:07] <Kilos> eish
[18:07] <inetpro> the stuff that they get these days is out of this world
[18:07] <psydroid> hi Kilos inetpro Mezenir Squirm charlvn
[18:07] <inetpro> not stuffs that they can actually do on their own
[18:07] <charlvn> hi psydroid
[18:07] <charlvn> oh my goodness, the first part of this video is totally hilarious http://revision3.com/hak5/monkey-business
[18:08] <Mezenir> hey psy
[18:08] <inetpro> and it's not like anybody teaches them exactly how to do research et al
[18:08] <Kilos> the schools save by making the parents do half the teaching
[18:08] <Mezenir> lol
[18:08] <Mezenir> well at least you can teach them well
[18:08] <Kilos> lol are you teaching them that google is their friend inetpro
[18:09] <inetpro> Mezenir: heh, when I get back from work I am generally tired up to my ears
[18:09] <Mezenir> you work overtime a lot ?
[18:10] <inetpro> Mezenir: I can't really call it overtime but I do a lot of reading in the evenings
[18:10] <inetpro> reading that is very often work related
[18:11] <Mezenir> ah
[18:11] <Mezenir> self improvement
[18:11] <inetpro> exactly
[18:11] <Mezenir> necessary part of tech jobs
[18:11] <Mezenir> too bad they dont give you time for that
[18:12] <Mezenir> since by the time i get home im seldom in the mood for reading
[18:12] <Kilos> yeah things improve or move ahead so was in the IT world its a massive job to keep up
[18:12] <inetpro> heh, most days end on a note where I just cut my losses and go home
[18:13] <mazal> **sigh** , IT , what can one say
[18:13] <mazal> lo all
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:13] <Kilos> hi mazal
[18:13] <Mezenir> hi mazal
[18:13] <mazal> Some days I wish the two of us never met
[18:13] <Mezenir> thou these days info is fairly accessible
[18:13] <inetpro> mazal: same here
[18:14] <Mezenir> anyone look at khanacademy ?
[18:14] <Mezenir> some interesting stuff there
[18:14] <mazal> Using it is fun , keeping things going is a different story
[18:14] <Mezenir> hehe
[18:14] <inetpro> the trick is to keep working smarter rather than harder
[18:15] <inetpro> but it doesn't always work out
[18:16] <inetpro> at least I still enjoy most of my work
[18:16] <inetpro> so I'm not here to complain
[18:16] <Mezenir> yeah in programming there are lots of tools to make life easier
[18:18]  * superfly is almost always hacking on some OSS
[18:19] <Mezenir> really ?
[18:19] <Mezenir> what kind
[18:20] <superfly> Mezenir: http://openlp.org is by far my biggest project, but I try to find time for http://projecthq.org
[18:21] <mazal> I have a tricky thing I can't find the problem too
[18:22] <Mezenir> interesting
[18:22] <mazal> Solution too even
[18:22] <mazal> I use 12.04 , unity 3d
[18:23] <mazal> I never use screen power off settings , just don't like
[18:23] <mazal> so I disable that k
[18:23] <superfly> k
[18:23] <mazal> However , the screen still blanks
[18:23] <mazal> But ONLY if no apps are open
[18:23] <mazal> If for example my Thunderbird is open , then it won't blank
[18:24] <mazal> If if everything is minimized it won't blank , as long as something is open
[18:24] <mazal> But if I just logged in and haven't opened anything yet then it will blank after a while'
[18:24] <mazal> strange
[18:24] <mazal> Not a train smash , but would like to know why
[18:25] <Mezenir> weird
[18:28] <Kilos> mazal, what happens if you activate a screensaver
[18:28] <Kilos> does it still blank
[18:28] <mazal> I don't have screensaver
[18:29] <Kilos> in those settings where you can choose one does yours show blank screen instead of using a screensaver
[18:29] <mazal> You must mos enable screensavers in some way , there isn't any by default
[18:30] <mazal> as far as I know anyway
[18:30] <Kilos> you most likely are timing out to blank screen
[18:30] <mazal> Turn screen of when inactive are set to "never"
[18:31] <Kilos> check in system - preferences - screensaver what the timeout is
[18:31] <mazal> I can only find a brightness and lock
[18:32] <mazal> No screensaver seettings
[18:32] <Kilos> oh my
[18:32] <Kilos> have they removed that in 12.04
[18:32] <mazal> Yes
[18:33] <mazal> There is some extra stuff you must do to enable screensavers
[18:33] <Kilos> can you install it afterwards
[18:33] <inetpro> mazal: desktop or laptop?
[18:33] <mazal> But I didn't do it as I never use it , don't like a screen that turns off
[18:33] <mazal> Laptop , Acer 5742G
[18:34] <mazal> With open apps I can leave it all day and it won't turn off. But with no open apps , turns off
[18:34] <Kilos> strange
[18:35] <Kilos> not that hibernate function that needs to be deactivated
[18:35] <inetpro> mazal: not perhaps a BIOS setting?
[18:35] <mazal> What can it be in Bios inetpro ?
[18:36] <inetpro> power saving
[18:37] <mazal> I'll have a look in there , haven't looked for such a setting in my bios yet so don't know if there is any
[18:37] <inetpro> I'm just guessing
[18:38] <mazal> Hehehe at this stage it's a way of reminding me that I forgot to open my mail lol
[18:38] <mazal> Walk past office , screen off , "Ah you must still open your mail"
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <mazal> Have a good evening all
[18:42] <mazal> sleep well
[18:51] <Kilos> night all , sleep tight
[19:04] <magespawn> Evening all
[19:10] <superfly> sup magespawn
[19:10] <magespawn> Hey writing 50 promo cd for a lodge and you?
[19:10] <superfly> btw, magespawn, that e-mail you sent our sales lady... hehehe... she didn't know how to respond to your questions :-D
[19:11] <superfly> promo CD?
[19:11] <magespawn> Promotional cd. To give out at the Indaba
[19:11] <magespawn> Lol
[19:12] <magespawn> Have looked into these machines before, so had the questiins lined up.
[19:13] <magespawn> They all seem to work in the same way more or less.
[19:13] <superfly> magespawn: yeah
[19:13] <superfly> magespawn: our target market is really taxi drivers, street sellers, and the like
[19:14] <superfly> folks who don't necessarily have a plug socket or a telephone nearby
[19:15] <Mezenir> nite all
[19:16] <magespawn> Yes thats where most are aimed at, but it is also a good fit for an internet cafe, and I am also going into a animal feed and whole salers that cater to them same sort of market
[19:16] <magespawn> Also looking for prepaid/pay phone setup
[19:21] <superfly> magespawn: we've noticed that people actually prefer ours to the others out there. We have a couple of sellers who actually have one or two of our competitors' devices, and they prefer using ours :-)
[19:22] <magespawn> I also one of the others, did not work so well, main draw back was we had to keep the sim recharged.
[19:23] <superfly> ah
[19:36] <magespawn> http://debian-handbook.info/2012/the-debian-administrators-handbook-is-available/
[19:37] <superfly> magespawn: I saw
[19:37] <superfly> very awesome
[19:39] <magespawn> Indeed
[20:02] <nuvolari> inetpro: I am using dvorak ya, why?
[20:03] <inetpro> nuvolari: 10/05 11:43:21 <charlvn> sure, there might be practical advantages... but seriously... let's just move to dvorak keyboards first :P
[20:05] <nuvolari> ah! I missed that :P
[20:05] <nuvolari> see, I then have reason to complain about scrollbars :P
[20:05] <nuvolari> if that's the next step
[20:05] <nuvolari> (after keyboards)
[20:17] <magespawn> What is a dvorak keyboard?
[20:17] <magespawn> Brb going google
[20:18] <Banlam> it is hell on earth
[20:19] <Banlam> for 99% of the english speaking population
[20:19] <Tonberry> confusion incarnate
[20:19] <Banlam> it's bad enough on a german keyboard when the Y and Z are switched
[20:22] <magespawn> Do you hardware versions? If not then it would be nearly impossible to learn.
[20:22] <Banlam> you do get dvorak keyboards
[20:22] <Banlam> you can also just buy stickers
[20:22] <Banlam> to put onto a normal keyboard
[20:24] <magespawn> Ahh right, I would need to learn to type again but if it really is better would not mind that.
[20:26] <Banlam> that's the thiong
[20:26] <Banlam> "if it's really better"
[20:28] <nuvolari> well, you don't need stickers, that's the idea of touchtyping, typing without looking
[20:28] <nuvolari> so I opted for a DASKeyboard, without any printing on it :>
[20:29] <nuvolari> so imagine someone trying to work at my desk... no keys to look at, and a different layout :P
[20:29] <Banlam> i'm fine with a keyboard without letters
[20:29] <Banlam> but if you're trying to learn a new layout
[20:30] <magespawn> Can touch type semi well most of the time
[20:30] <magespawn> So would need tonlearn the new layout
[20:31] <Banlam> what layout do you use?
[20:31] <Banlam> @ nuvolari
[20:31] <nuvolari> Banlam: dvorak
[20:32] <nuvolari> even on my android :P
[20:32] <Banlam> the fewtimes I've had to suffer through a dvorak keyboard, it at least had markings
[20:32] <Banlam> but i felt like an utter retard
[20:32] <Banlam> sitting there
[20:32] <Banlam> at like 6 words a minute
[20:32] <nuvolari> Banlam: that's me now on a qwerty keyboard
[20:32] <magespawn> Maybe I can try it on my droid since it is software only.
[20:33] <Banlam> nuvolari, how long ago did you switch though?
[20:33] <nuvolari> Banlam: well, around 3 years ago
[20:34] <Banlam> thought a bit of muscle memory would still keep you going on a QWERTY :)
[20:34] <magespawn> How fast do you type now?
[20:34] <Banlam> who?
[20:35] <nuvolari> well, on typeracer.com it's averaging on 70/71 wpm
[20:35] <magespawn> Anyone.
[20:35]  * Banlam gives it a go
[20:35] <nuvolari> the people have crazy scores there! I don't know how it's physically possible
[20:36] <magespawn> Thats good though, you could be a typist or pa.
[20:37] <nuvolari> ye, that speed is not helping at all when you're coding :P
[20:37] <Banlam> 87 wpm
[20:37] <Banlam> but that's just one paragraph
[20:38] <magespawn> Look like I n3ed to practice a bit, ha, thought 28 wpm was smoking.
[20:39] <Banlam> It really depends what you do
[20:39] <Banlam> If your work relies on you typign a fair amount
[20:39] <Banlam> you will become faster
[20:41] <nuvolari> ye, and race on typeracer
[20:41] <magespawn> Lol
[20:41] <Banlam> with typing tests like that, it also helps when it's sentences in your home language
[20:41] <nuvolari> my average increased by about 15wpm since I've started
[20:42] <superfly> Forget it. When I race to type fast, my typing goes to the dogs
[20:42] <superfly> and it only slows me down
[20:42] <Banlam> haha
[20:42] <superfly> I can probably do faster if I'm not pressurised to type fast and accurate
[20:43] <superfly> and I don't have to look much at the keyboard
[20:43] <superfly> (typed all while not looking at my keyboard)
[20:45] <superfly> I think I need to seriously look into moving to a dvorak keyboard... it would certainly throw all of my co-workers for a loop :-D
[20:46] <magespawn> Friend of mine was on mixit so much he could type with outlooking at the phone, madness.
[20:46] <Banlam> magespawn, a qwerty or numpad phone?
[20:47] <magespawn> Might lose all the extra time gained explaining what it was.
[20:47] <nuvolari> it took around 1-2 months to master dvorak
[20:47] <magespawn> Numpad phone.
[20:47] <nuvolari> 1 more to use it efficiently
[20:47] <Banlam> magespawn, but numpad phones are easy :O
[20:47] <Banlam> :P
[20:48] <Banlam> you just need to be sure about some of the ambiguous predictive text choices
[20:48] <magespawn> That is still madness.
[20:50] <magespawn> Nuvolari lots of mistakes at first or just really slow typing?
[20:55] <nuvolari> magespawn: well, little bit of both. But it's better to try to not make mistakes, as one might learn those mistakes and then it takes longer
[20:56] <nuvolari> magespawn: I also used dvorak7min
[20:56] <nuvolari> which is a tutor in the terminal
[20:56] <magespawn> Practice makes perfect.
[20:56] <nuvolari> you'll start with the important keys, then down the line to the least important
[20:59] <nuvolari> I'm going to call it a day.
[21:00] <nuvolari> night everyone
[21:00] <magespawn> Is it better?
[21:00] <magespawn>  Night.
[21:11] <magespawn> Good night all.