[05:45] <Kilos> morning all
[05:45] <TaraLS> Sup.
[05:45] <TaraLS> It's been soooooooooo quiet. I don't like these timezone differences.
[05:45] <Kilos> ohi TaraLS you here too
[05:46] <Kilos> they not at work yet
[05:46] <Kilos> or doing early morning things first
[05:48] <TaraLS> yes I know. :P
[05:49] <Kilos> hehe
[05:56] <Squirm> morning
[05:56] <Kilos> lo Squirm
[05:57] <Squirm> the tiredness
[05:58] <Squirm> so happy it's Friday, I could almost smile
[05:58] <Kilos> lol
[05:59] <Kilos> Squirm, whats the trip in loosening them four goodies that hold a lga 775 cpu down
[05:59] <Kilos> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/CPUFan2.jpg
[05:59] <Squirm> twist in the direction of the arrow
[05:59] <Kilos> TaraLS, cant move them
[05:59] <Squirm> and pull it out
[05:59] <Kilos> is it strength related?
[06:00] <Squirm> new ones are easy. but you may need pliars :P make sure you actually twist the top though
[06:00] <Squirm> (the bit with the arrow)
[06:00] <Kilos> they too tight for her methinks
[06:00] <Squirm> so you're going to twist it 90deg, so the arrow is against the side
[06:01] <Squirm> well, pointing to the side
[06:01] <Squirm> twist all for
[06:01] <Kilos> ty
[06:01] <Squirm> then start removing them. pull on the bit you twisted(right at the top)
[06:01] <Squirm> s/for/four
[06:02] <Kilos> oh that whole little tower clamp goody lifts out?
[06:03] <Kilos> cant try here while pc going
[06:03] <Kilos> and other one fighting a messed up hdd
[06:04] <Squirm> well, it's a pin that slides through another piece of plastic
[06:04] <Squirm> so make sure you twist and pull the head of that pin
[06:04] <Squirm> and I wouldnt suggest doing it with a running pc. you may overheat your processor
[06:05] <Kilos> yeah
[06:08] <TaraLS> Okay
[06:08] <TaraLS> but brb
[06:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:16]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[06:16] <Kilos> hi not_found-droid
[06:17] <not_found-droid> Alo
[06:17] <not_found-droid> What is happening?
[06:18] <Kilos> still trying to get TaraLS pc going stably. she trying to swop cpus with moms pc
[06:18] <Kilos> here all is good and there not_found-droid
[06:19] <not_found-droid> Memtest run?
[06:19] <TaraLS> Did it
[06:19] <TaraLS> I've done everything you can think to suggest.
[06:19] <Kilos> done
[06:19] <TaraLS> Anyway, still brb
[06:19] <Kilos> not ram
[06:19] <not_found-droid> I am on a bus
[06:19] <Kilos> we sure its cpu or something onna mb
[06:19] <not_found-droid> Shakey
[06:19] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w
[06:19] <Kilos> uh oh
[06:20] <not_found-droid> All voltage on psu tested?
[06:20] <Kilos> where you going not_found-droid
[06:20] <Kilos> how you test them
[06:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:20] <Kilos> oh ya
[06:20] <not_found-droid> Carefully
[06:20] <Kilos> i saw cpu
[06:20] <Kilos> \lol
[06:20] <Kilos> it shows in bios under pc health methinks
[06:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[06:20] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:21] <not_found-droid> Abu Dhabi to pick up my daughter at the airport
[06:21] <Kilos> nice
[06:22] <not_found-droid> The hardware guru's use ammeters etc to test the psu's
[06:22] <not_found-droid> Above my pay grade
[06:22] <Kilos> she wont have those tools
[06:22] <Kilos> i have flukes here but she 8000 ks away
[06:22] <Kilos> sigh
[06:23] <not_found-droid> :(
[06:26] <TaraLS> Anyhoo
[06:26] <TaraLS> Gonna switch to laptop I guess. brb
[06:31] <TaraLS> Okay on laptop. Sigh.
[06:32] <TaraLS> I don't even know how to get the CPU out of mom's comp
[06:32] <TaraLS> It's the little square thing under the fan, right?
[06:32] <TaraLS> Looks like a square battery
[06:33] <Kilos> wb TaraLS
[06:33] <Kilos> didnt you read what Squirm  said
[06:34] <Kilos> oh wait
[06:34] <Kilos> i will paste for you
[06:34] <TaraLS> Thanks.,
[06:34] <TaraLS> I did.
[06:34] <TaraLS> I'm talking about getting the CPU out of mom's computer
[06:34] <Kilos> twist in the direction of the arrownew ones are easy. but you may need pliars :P make sure you actually twist the top though(the bit with the arrow)
[06:35] <TaraLS> Not the CPU fan off of mine
 so you're going to twist it 90deg, so the arrow is against the side
 well, pointing to the side
 well, it's a pin that slides through another piece of plastic
 so make sure you twist and pull the head of that pin
[06:35] <TaraLS> Kilos, oi
[06:35] <TaraLS> I read what Squirn wrote.
[06:35] <TaraLS> m*
[06:35] <Kilos> cant you not twist them with a pliers even
[06:36] <TaraLS> I don't have pliers
[06:36] <Kilos> borrow one somewhere
[06:36] <Kilos> try neighbour
[06:36] <TaraLS> Ah-HA!
[06:36] <TaraLS> I used a screwdriver
[06:36] <TaraLS> They;re actually easy to twist
[06:37] <TaraLS> The hard part is finding a grip
[06:38] <Kilos> grab the top blob with fingers and turn till it comes up
[06:38] <Kilos> turn and pull gently same time
[06:39] <TaraLS> Yep, I got it out.
[06:40] <TaraLS> I blew dust out too, outside
[06:40] <TaraLS> Lots came out
[06:40] <TaraLS> Now, how to take CPUs out
[06:41] <TaraLS> I don't have any glue stuff to put on the heatsink, though.
[06:41] <Kilos> i told you go blow pc clean at garage
[06:42] <TaraLS> Kilos, I'm not doing that right now.
[06:42] <Kilos> oh my
[06:42] <Kilos> i told you 2 weeks ago but you said you cleaned it
[06:42] <Kilos> grrr
[06:42] <TaraLS> Whatever
[06:42] <TaraLS> Moving forward
[06:42] <not_found-droid> Need thermal paste
[06:42] <Kilos> no other option
[06:42] <TaraLS> Indeed. It's still got grey stuff leftover from last time (whoever did it). Do I NEED to get new thermal paste, or will it be okay?
[06:42] <Kilos> buy thermal paste
[06:43] <not_found-droid> New
[06:43] <TaraLS> Well then this is all pointless right now, isn't it?
[06:43] <not_found-droid> And IPA to clean off the left over
[06:43]  * TaraLS sighs.
[06:43] <not_found-droid> Lol
[06:43] <not_found-droid> Fun and games
[06:44] <Kilos> dont the thermal paste actually get dry and hold cpu and sink together not_found-droid
[06:44] <TaraLS> What is IPA? and where can I find these two things?
[06:45] <Kilos> like glue
[06:45] <Kilos> pc shops
[06:45] <TaraLS> Can I just get them later? Or do I HAVE to get this stuff NOW and THEN put change the CPU over?
[06:45] <Kilos> cpu will blow without paste and sink and fan going
[06:45] <Kilos> is moms cpu stuck to sink\
[06:45] <TaraLS> Well neither one has blown yet
[06:45] <TaraLS> They've both still got grey stuff on it
[06:46] <not_found-droid> All the thermal paste does is help with heat transfer as both surfaces aren't 100 percent smooth
[06:46] <Kilos> before you can start it up again clean and new paste
[06:46] <TaraLS> What I'm asking is... Is danger imminent, or can this wait a few days? Such as, can I use the PC without needing to put new paste on and it won't blow up, or?
[06:47] <Kilos> it will blow
[06:47] <not_found-droid> Can take a chance and just replace heat sink
[06:47] <TaraLS> Why has it not blown yet?
[06:47] <Kilos> new paste on clean cpu then start up not before
[06:47] <TaraLS> Why all of a sudden do I have to worry about this stupid paste?
[06:47] <not_found-droid> But cpu may run hot
[06:47] <TaraLS> If I had left my CPU, you wouldn't be telling me to get this paste
[06:47] <Kilos> because the fan was working and sink was in place
[06:47] <TaraLS> And it will be BACK that way once the comp is again assembles.
[06:47] <TaraLS> d*
[06:48] <TaraLS> I don't understand why no one said "Wait to swap out the CPUs for when you get paste to put on the heatsink" if it's such an immediate thing.
[06:48] <Kilos> you forget that the sink and fan was fitted with thats last lot of paste (grey stuff)
[06:49] <Kilos> so was working
[06:49] <TaraLS> I didn't forget. Not at all.
[06:49]  * not_found-droid wasn't here >. >
[06:49] <TaraLS> lol
[06:49] <TaraLS> Kilos obviously knows this stuff, so he should have said something.
[06:50] <Kilos> is the paste thats on there still soft
[06:50] <Kilos> ya my fault
[06:50] <TaraLS> It comes off my fingers really easily
[06:50] <Kilos> then you might be lucky
[06:50] <TaraLS> Well dude
[06:50] <Kilos> swop cpus
[06:50] <TaraLS> If the paste was an issue, it should have been mentioned.
[06:50] <Kilos> and keep same fans
[06:50] <TaraLS> Obvs.
[06:50] <TaraLS> Now to find out how to take the CPUs out.
[06:50]  * TaraLS googles.
[06:50] <Kilos> no you always say you know
[06:51] <TaraLS> Whatev.
[06:51] <Kilos> there should be 2 clips
[06:51] <TaraLS> I wish they were AMD CPus. They look really easy to remove
[06:51] <Kilos> intels you move the wire brackets and lift it out
[06:52] <not_found-droid> Take a chance and replace. Modern cpu won't just blow up... Normally
[06:52] <TaraLS> Ooh
[06:52] <Kilos> on the side of the cpu must be 2 wire kinda things
[06:52] <not_found-droid> Bbl
[06:52] <TaraLS> not_found-droid:  Well, if it hasn't blown up yet, it's not going to, right?
[06:52] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Yep, I see. I pulled it to the side just a touch and it popped up
[06:52] <TaraLS> brb
[06:56] <TaraLS> Hm
[06:56] <TaraLS> My CPU has different little pins on the underside to mom's
[06:57] <superfly> *yawn*
[06:57] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:58] <superfly> hi Kilos, TaraLS
[06:58] <TaraLS> superfly:  Howdy, Supahflahhh
[06:58] <Kilos> ah then her pc can only take a core2 cpu not a dual core like yours
[06:59] <Kilos> are they actual pins not just shniy surfaces
[06:59] <Kilos> shiny
[07:00] <TaraLS> Whew
[07:00] <TaraLS> Hard to get fan back in
[07:01] <TaraLS> CPU fits fine
[07:01] <TaraLS> Just different underneath for some reason
[07:01] <TaraLS> Fan is giving me trouble
[07:01] <TaraLS> The holding pins (the blobs) won't fit back in the holes
[07:01] <Squirm> to put the fan back
[07:01] <Squirm> you need to pull the pins out
[07:01] <Squirm> twist it back 90deg to the position it was in
[07:02] <Squirm> fit it so everything lines up with the 4 holes
[07:02] <Squirm> then just push down on the top of the little handle/hold/head thing
[07:02] <Squirm> and it pushes the pin back in
[07:03] <TaraLS> Pull the pins off of the fan chassis?
[07:03] <Squirm> took me a while to figure this out :/ then another while to rmemeber how to do it
[07:03] <Squirm> TaraLS: you putting the cpu fan back?
[07:03] <TaraLS> The pins under the twisty heads of the fan have like... plastic bits flanking each black pin part.
[07:03] <TaraLS> Squirm:  Yeah. Trying to.
[07:03] <Squirm> yes
[07:03] <TaraLS> And it's like I have to squeeze the plastic bits inward so they'll fit through the holes in the motherboard
[07:04] <Squirm> the pin must be within those plastic bits
[07:04] <Squirm> so if you have it twisted so the arrow is pointing at the fan, you can pull them back. once back, twist is clockwise(back) 90deg
[07:04] <Squirm> do this for all 4
[07:04] <TaraLS> Oh dude
[07:04] <TaraLS> I see now
[07:04] <Squirm> then line everything up
[07:05] <Squirm> then you literally just push on the head of the pin and it pushes down
[07:05] <Squirm> you will hear a 'click' when it's clipped into place
[07:05] <TaraLS> kk
[07:05] <Squirm> either that, ot you wont be able to pull the pin back out(without turning it)
[07:10] <TaraLS> Oh my goodfreakingness
[07:10] <TaraLS> I can only get two down at a time
[07:10] <TaraLS> This is so frustrating
[07:10] <TaraLS> I hate computers
[07:11] <TaraLS> If I worked at a comp shop and someone came in with an issue, I'd be more likely to say "Blow it up :D" than "I can help"
[07:19] <TaraLS> Whew
[07:19] <TaraLS> Still struggling
[07:20] <Squirm> try opposites
[07:20] <Squirm> to push top right, bottom left then say bottom right, top left
[07:20] <Squirm> make sure they're all lined up before you start pushing
[07:21] <Squirm> and sometimes those little plastic covers bend
[07:24] <TaraLS> I can't get opposite sides to sit flush
[07:24] <TaraLS> It's like the CPU under the center of the fan is bulging
[07:25] <TaraLS> What a stupid design
[07:25] <TaraLS> Squirm:
[07:26] <Kilos> put glasses on
[07:27] <Squirm> lol
[07:27] <Squirm> it works well
[07:27] <Kilos> hehe
[07:27] <Squirm> does bend the motherboard a little though
[07:27] <Squirm> I dont like tha
[07:27] <Squirm> t
[07:27] <Kilos> i use glasses and magnifying glass
[07:28] <Squirm> sorry TaraLS, nothing further I can really help you with
[07:28] <Squirm> is your CPU in properly?
[07:28] <TaraLS> Yes
[07:28] <TaraLS> Okay, I somehow got the fan in and all clips are down
[07:28] <TaraLS> Now the wire is too short to plug it into the motherboard
[07:28] <Squirm> are they all tight?
[07:28] <TaraLS> I could have sworn I was putting it in the way I took it out. Blah.
[07:28] <TaraLS> Yeah
[07:28] <Squirm> you can undo the wire from it's little clips though
[07:29] <TaraLS> Yeah, I know. My question is, is it okay no matter what way it goes in?
[07:29] <TaraLS> Like, if the intel sticker is upside down instead of rightside up?
[07:29] <Squirm> doesn't matter at all
[07:29] <Kilos> easier to read if right side up
[07:29] <Squirm> it's just a fan
[07:29] <TaraLS> lol Kilos
[07:29] <TaraLS> Squirm: Okay.
[07:29] <Kilos> hehe
[07:29] <Squirm> and there is nothing to read :P
[07:29] <Squirm> all it says is Intel
[07:29] <TaraLS> PLugging in, then turning on. Here's hoping.
[07:30] <Kilos> ya but its letni upside down
[07:30] <Squirm> if theres an audible bang, you've done something wrong
[07:30] <Banlam> what are the current symptoms?
[07:30] <Kilos> stressful Banlam morning
[07:30] <Banlam> heya kilos,
[07:30] <Banlam> i was referring to TaraLS computer, which i assume isn't workign
[07:31] <Kilos> ya stressful
[07:31] <Kilos> tried changing cpus
[07:31] <Banlam> ok
[07:31] <Banlam> and are neither working, does new oen not work?
[07:31] <TaraLS> Poor PC
[07:31] <TaraLS> Please don't blow up
[07:31] <Kilos> still not sure which one she is putting back
[07:31] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Oh please. I put my mom's CPU into my comp.  Here's hoping there's no bang.  I didn't have to force it.
[07:32] <Banlam> atleast when there's a bang you know something's gone wrong :P it's when it's silent, you
[07:32] <Banlam> re never quite sure
[07:33]  * TaraLS switches on comp and stays away.
[07:33] <Kilos> hehe
[07:33] <Squirm> Banlam: unless iy smokes :P
[07:33] <Squirm> s/iy/it
[07:33] <Squirm> or smells bad
[07:33] <Banlam> squirm, yeah
[07:33] <TaraLS> "New CPU installed! Please enter setup to configure your system"
[07:33] <TaraLS> I guess that's a good sign...
[07:33] <Banlam> 'dat smell'
[07:33] <Kilos> yay
[07:33] <Banlam> wutm your computer specificallt registered a new CPU?
[07:34] <Kilos> now most likely you can disable hyperthreading
[07:34] <TaraLS> F1 to run setup, or F2 to load defaults and continue
[07:34] <Squirm> TaraLS: don't stress too much. if a CPU gets between 100-110def Celsius, it should shut itself off
[07:34] <Squirm> s/def/deg
[07:34] <Squirm> TaraLS: you could just load defaults
[07:34] <Squirm> should be all good
[07:35] <TaraLS> Okay. Loading defaults
[07:35] <TaraLS> If something goes wrong.
[07:35] <TaraLS> Squirm, I keel u.
[07:35] <Kilos> lol
[07:35] <Squirm> TaraLS: you'll have to find me first
[07:35] <Squirm> and this is all at own risk
[07:35] <Squirm> btw
[07:35] <Squirm> :P
[07:35] <Kilos> so easy to blame someone else
[07:35] <TaraLS> 'm sure Kilos will find you for me >D
[07:35] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Shuttup. I'm doing as he directed.
[07:35] <Kilos> rofl
[07:35] <TaraLS> THE SCREEEN ISN'T LOADING.
[07:35] <TaraLS> Hm.
[07:36] <Kilos> now its me involved
[07:36] <Kilos> such manners and respect
[07:36] <Kilos> try ctrl+alt+f2
[07:37] <Kilos> do you see text
[07:37] <TaraLS> Nope no text
[07:37] <TaraLS> First it was the 'black' ubuntu screen before the desktop
[07:37] <Kilos> whew
[07:37] <TaraLS> Then I restarted
[07:38] <Kilos> wait
[07:38] <TaraLS> And it took me to a screen where I could choose boot options
[07:38] <Kilos> maybe its looking for stuff
[07:38] <TaraLS> "Ubuntu" or "advanced settings for ubuntu"
[07:38] <TaraLS> or "memtest"
[07:38] <Kilos> advanced settings
[07:38] <TaraLS> Is it supposed to take longer than my other CPU?
[07:38] <Kilos> should show recovery
[07:38] <Kilos> yes
[07:38] <Kilos> its half the speed
[07:39] <TaraLS> Damn
[07:39] <TaraLS> Well
[07:39] <TaraLS> I went to advanced settings
[07:39] <Kilos> i like the new recovery modes on unity you dont have to manually login and use sudo gdm start
[07:39] <TaraLS> Now lots of text on screen
[07:39] <TaraLS> Stopped at "Freeing initrd memory: 14712l freed"
[07:39] <Kilos> wait
[07:40] <Kilos> its working
[07:40] <TaraLS> Are you sure? :(
[07:40] <Kilos> ya
[07:40] <Kilos> it  will tell you if there are errors
[07:40] <TaraLS> Frick. How long will it take?
[07:40] <TaraLS> It said no plug and play found
[07:40] <Kilos> who knows
[07:40] <TaraLS> But that might just be because plug and play is specifically windows?
[07:40] <Kilos> not too long
[07:40] <Kilos> be done before bedtime
[07:41] <TaraLS> How long is not too long?
[07:41] <TaraLS> lol....
[07:41] <TaraLS> I dunno if it's hanging or what.
[07:41] <TaraLS> So I dunno if I should restart or what
[07:41] <Kilos> wait
[07:41] <TaraLS> Yes man
[07:41] <TaraLS> I'm saying... How long do I wait before restarting?
[07:41] <Kilos> have you got plug and play stuff plugged in
[07:41] <Kilos> like muisic usb
[07:42] <TaraLS> What's muisic?
[07:42] <Kilos> it will open a window and say resume boot
[07:42] <Kilos> music
[07:42] <TaraLS> Well, it's not Ubuntu text specifically. And it's not Ubuntu colors.
[07:42] <Kilos> forget plug and play for now
[07:42] <TaraLS> I don't care about the plug and play
[07:42] <Kilos> it will work dodo
[07:42] <TaraLS> Do you know what the last thing it'll say is?
[07:42] <TaraLS> Like...
[07:42] <TaraLS> It says...
[07:43] <TaraLS> "Write cache; enabled, read cache: enabled"
[07:43] <Kilos> its just telling you what is sees is there now
[07:43] <TaraLS> and then
[07:43] <TaraLS> "attached scsi generic "
[07:43] <TaraLS> and then the "freeing initrd memory" etc
[07:43] <Kilos> yes its working through everything
[07:43] <TaraLS> But it's not moving or changing, is what I'm saying.
[07:43] <TaraLS> It's stuck on the freed memory
[07:43] <TaraLS> And the number hasnt changed from 14712k
[07:43] <Kilos> the recovery mode should fix your dash everytime it stops working as well
[07:44] <TaraLS> I thought Ubuntu was supposed to be error free. Why would I need to fix the dash? I WANT NO MORE ERRORS
[07:44] <Kilos> go make tea or coffee or something
[07:44] <TaraLS> Let's go back to pen and paper, sheesh
[07:44] <Kilos> because you use dash to open stuff it doesnt know about
[07:45] <Kilos> ubuntu is error free mostly
[07:45] <Kilos> peeps add the errors
[07:45]  * TaraLS googles.
[07:45] <TaraLS> Hm.
[07:46] <TaraLS> Maybe I should boot with USB
[07:46] <TaraLS> See what happens
[07:46] <TaraLS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/40093
[07:46] <Kilos> just turn off and then on again
[07:47] <TaraLS> Okay then
[07:47] <Kilos> those are very old ubuntus
[07:48] <TaraLS> Well
[07:48] <TaraLS> I switched off then on
[07:48] <Kilos> dont think every bug on the internet applies to your pc
[07:48] <TaraLS> Selected 'ubuntu'
[07:48] <TaraLS> and it's not going through
[07:48] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Dude
[07:48] <Kilos> you need to state 12.10 in your search
[07:49] <TaraLS> Kilos:  I don't. I was just reading that to see if anyone else had the 'hang' on the 'memory' part
[07:49] <TaraLS> I actually wanted to read if people said "This is normal. It takes x amount of time for it to go to the next stage"
[07:49] <Kilos> do you know what dapper was
[07:49] <TaraLS> Nope
[07:49] <Kilos> Maaz, ubuntu releases
[07:49] <Maaz> 4.10 (Warty Warthog), 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog), 5.10 (Breezy Badger), 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake), 6.10 (Edgy Eft), 7.04 (Feisty Fawn), 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon), 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron), 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex), 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope), 9.10 (Karmic Koala), 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx), 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat), 11.04 (Natty Narwhal), 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot), 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin)
[07:49] <Maaz> 12.10 (Quantal Qu
[07:50]  * TaraLS sighs
[07:50] <Kilos> still not going?
[07:51] <TaraLS> I'ma try boot from USB
[07:51] <Kilos> then what you gonna do
[07:51] <Kilos> new install
[07:51] <TaraLS> I dunno. I just wanna try different things, see what works, see what doesn't
[07:51] <Kilos> or run from usb
[07:51] <TaraLS> One step at a time
[07:51] <TaraLS> Run from usb obviously.
[07:51] <TaraLS> I don't want to do a new install if I don't have to
[07:52] <TaraLS> Oh wait.
[07:52] <TaraLS> Stupid BIOS had 'floppy drive' set as first boot option
[07:53] <TaraLS> Frickin hell
[07:53] <TaraLS> I'm sick of the floppy
[07:53] <Kilos> lol
[07:54] <TaraLS> Switched to HDD
[07:54] <TaraLS> And hangs on same place
[07:54] <TaraLS> So trying USB now
[07:55] <Kilos> oh actually my 12.04 does that after ive been working on sick drives
[07:55] <Kilos> takes long to get past the purple screen
[07:56] <Kilos> i just go do something else
[07:56] <Kilos> when returning the passwd window is there
[07:56] <TaraLS> Oh.
[07:56] <TaraLS> Well
[07:56] <TaraLS> When I select "ubuntu" instead of "advanced settings for ubuntu", it doesn't even get past the black screen with the little horizontal cursor blinking
[07:57] <TaraLS> So it doesn't even get TO the purple screen
[07:58] <Kilos> boot from live and maybe someone will tell you how to fsck from live
[07:58] <TaraLS> Booting from USB ain't working either
[07:58] <Kilos> or google how to fsck 12.10 from live usb
[07:58] <TaraLS> Ffffff....
[07:58] <Kilos> you gotta tell bios dodo
[07:59] <TaraLS> Unless it's just really, really, really... REALLY slow.
[07:59] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Please. I did.
[07:59] <Kilos> TaraLS> Switched to HDD
[07:59] <TaraLS> Read what came after that.
[07:59]  * TaraLS annoyed.
[07:59] <Kilos> i cant smell from so far away
[07:59] <TaraLS> [18:54] <TaraLS> Switched to HDD [18:54] <TaraLS> And hangs on same place [18:54] <TaraLS> So trying USB now
[08:00] <Kilos> ah
[08:00] <Kilos> just leave it there where it looks like its hanging and go do something else
[08:01] <Kilos> it will get going when its ready
[08:01] <TaraLS> "To be sure if your motherboard is still in good working condition, remove the memory card and power on the PC.  You should hear continuous beep sounds.  If you hear this then your motherboard is fine. "
[08:01] <Kilos> or try boot from xp cd and just see
[08:01] <TaraLS> So THAT'S how you can test the motherboard. :D
[08:01] <TaraLS> Ew. XP.  "Ubuntu advanced options" says...
[08:06] <TaraLS> "Ubuntu, with Linux 3.5.0-18-generic" or "Ubuntu, with Linux 3.5.0-18-generic (recovery mode)" or "Ubuntu, with Linux 3.5.0-17-generic"  or "Ubuntu, with Linux 3.5.0-17-generic (recovery mode)" ?
[08:06] <TaraLS> Or  I can press 'c' for a command line
[08:07] <superfly> TaraLS: WAYTTD?
[08:07] <Kilos> ya c
[08:07] <TaraLS> superfly:  Eh?
[08:07] <superfly> Maaz: WAYTTD
[08:07] <Maaz> superfly: WAYTTD is What Are You Trying To Do?
[08:07] <TaraLS> Oh
[08:07] <TaraLS> superfly:  Trying to boot after changing CPU.
[08:08] <TaraLS> Kilos:  What I do with command line (I haven't selected c yet)?
[08:08] <TaraLS> There's also 'e' to edit the commands
[08:08] <Kilos> ask the guys how to run fsck
[08:09] <Kilos> or try sudo touch /forcefsck and see if it checks on booting
[08:09] <TaraLS> "Use the up and down arrows to select which entry is highlighted. Press enter to boot the selected OS, 'e' to edit the commands before booting or 'c' for a command line. ESC to return"
[08:09] <TaraLS> What's fsck?
[08:09] <Kilos> file system check
[08:09] <TaraLS> Whassat do?
[08:09] <Kilos> fixes files
[08:10] <TaraLS> So maybe the CPU change-over damaged some files somehow?
[08:10] <Kilos> ?
[08:10] <TaraLS> Why are you suggesting I fix files?
[08:10] <Kilos> maybe its lloking for something that aint there anymore
[08:10] <TaraLS> Which means that the CPU swapping must have somehow got rid of it
[08:10] <TaraLS> Weirdly.
[08:10] <Kilos> some cpu specific data
[08:10] <TaraLS> Annoyingly.
[08:11] <TaraLS> Oooh Tonberry
[08:11] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[08:11] <Tonberry> greetings
[08:11] <TaraLS> Tonberry: just put my mother's CPU into my computer, and now Ubuntu won't boot. "Use the up and down keys to select which entry is highlighted. Press enter to boot the selected OS, 'e' to edit the commands efore booting or 'c' for a command-line. ESC to return"
[08:11] <TaraLS> Which should I do?
[08:12] <Kilos> the whole of linux /ubuntu is made up of files
[08:12] <Kilos> no registry like ms
[08:13] <Kilos> some one will correct me if i get things wrong
[08:13] <TaraLS> "Ubuntu, with Linux 3.5.0-18-generic"  and there is ""Ubuntu, with Linux 3.5.0-18-generic (recovery mode)"  And then there are ""Ubuntu, with Linux 3.5.0-17-generic"  and then ""Ubuntu, with Linux 3.5.0-17-generic (recovery mode)"
[08:13] <Kilos> try the bottom recovery mode
[08:13] <Tonberry> mmm
[08:13] <Tonberry> try the top one
[08:13] <Kilos> and be patient
[08:14] <Kilos> no man Tonberry it didnt worek
[08:14] <Tonberry> is there any form of error?
[08:14] <TaraLS> Not that it has shown thus far
[08:14] <Kilos> nope she doesnt wait long enough
[08:14] <TaraLS> It said "no plug and play" but I didn't think that was an error
[08:14] <TaraLS> Kilos: Oi. Tonberry is talking to me. Your snarky remarks do not help the issue.
[08:14] <Tonberry> how old is this cpu?
[08:15] <Kilos> hmm
[08:15] <TaraLS> Tonberry:  Not sure. It's a refurbished computer that we got no more than twoish years ago?
[08:15] <Kilos> old
[08:15] <Kilos> single core
[08:15] <Kilos> but was working on other pc
[08:16] <TaraLS> Yeah.
[08:16] <TaraLS> Works fine in other PC
[08:16] <TaraLS> Starts PC up quickly
[08:16] <TaraLS> PC is just laggy in operation cuz it has 500mb of RAM, no more than.
[08:16] <Tonberry> do you have 64bit ubuntu installed?
[08:16] <TaraLS> Urh...
[08:16] <TaraLS> I have no idea.
[08:16] <TaraLS> Can I check that with a command?
[08:16] <Tonberry> what cd did you use to install it?
[08:16] <TaraLS> I used my USB
[08:16] <Tonberry> is it booted now?
[08:16] <TaraLS> The comp is on now with those options available
[08:17] <Tonberry> ah
[08:17] <TaraLS> The comp boots fine, but Ubuntu doesn't FINISH booting
[08:17] <TaraLS> It doesn't even get to the login screen.
[08:17] <Tonberry> slightly hard to check from there
[08:17] <Tonberry> does recovery mode work?
[08:17] <TaraLS> Well, I can press 'c' for a command-line. Does tha thelp?
[08:17] <Tonberry> any of the options that have (recovery) or something in them
[08:17] <TaraLS> Recovery mode does all sorts of weird text stuff, like it's checking stuff, and it got to 'initrd memory" or something and seemed to stop there.
[08:17] <TaraLS> I didn't wait very long, though. Is that what's supposed to happen in recovery mode?
[08:18] <Tonberry> no terminal?
[08:18] <Tonberry> you get a text terminal
[08:18] <TaraLS> I can't even get to the desktop/login page, so terminal is not an option, but it says I can 'c' for command-line, which is the same as terminal, right?
[08:18] <TaraLS> Just not terminal itself.
[08:18] <Tonberry> mmm or some of the newer ones could spawn some kind of menu
[08:18] <Tonberry> not in the grub sense
[08:19] <TaraLS> I also tried booting from USB, but that didn't work. Didn't even get me to this options page.
[08:19] <Tonberry> mmm
[08:19] <TaraLS> Just got to the black screen with the horizontal cursor bar blinking in the top left corner
[08:19] <TaraLS> I waited for about two minutes but it didn't load past that.
[08:19] <Tonberry> my best guess is you have 64bit media (usb/ubuntu install)
[08:19] <TaraLS> Thing is, I'm not sure how long I'm supposed to wait.
[08:19] <Tonberry> and that cpu is 32bit
[08:19] <TaraLS> Ohh.
[08:19] <TaraLS> I didn't know CPUs were different in that respect.
[08:19] <Tonberry> ok i have to go glue wires to a box
[08:19] <Tonberry> be back later
[08:19] <TaraLS> Can I run 32bit if a CPU is 64bit?
[08:19] <Tonberry> yes
[08:19] <TaraLS> EEH
[08:19] <TaraLS> Okay. So should I get Ubuntu in 32bit mode?
[08:19] <Tonberry> just not the other way around
[08:20] <TaraLS> I think I did that, though, because my Windows was 32bit, and I just went with what was familiar.
[08:20] <Tonberry> you would need a 32bit cd
[08:20] <TaraLS> Would that explain why it doesn't load from the USB?
[08:20] <Tonberry> it could
[08:20] <TaraLS> Okay.
[08:20] <Tonberry> ok really have to go now
[08:20] <TaraLS> Okay thanks
[08:21] <Kilos> ah
[08:21] <Kilos> moms wouldnt boot from usb either?
[08:21] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Oh yeah.... That's right.
[08:21] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Can I see, by opening up the USB folder, what bit the Ubuntu is?
[08:21] <Kilos> and her pc is definitely 32bit
[08:21] <Kilos> i dunno
[08:22] <Kilos> get the 32bit version on the lappy now so you sure you got right bittage
[08:22] <TaraLS> bittage lol
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:23] <TaraLS> Well, I went back to recovery mode and let it do that whilst looking at my current Ubuntu on my USB
[08:23] <Kilos> dunno what else to call it
[08:23] <Kilos> ya leave it to run
[08:23] <Kilos> but if you have 64b on stick that cpu wont work
[08:24] <TaraLS> Yeah.
[08:24] <TaraLS> I just dunno how to check which bittage it is
[08:24] <Kilos> actually get 32 bit and burn to dvd
[08:24] <Kilos> doesnt the site say which are which
[08:24] <Kilos> must do
[08:25] <TaraLS> Yes
[08:25] <TaraLS> 32 bit (recommended)
[08:25] <TaraLS> I really donno why I would have gone for 64bit
[08:25] <TaraLS> So I must not have.
[08:25] <Kilos> and also the install stick remembers some settings and thing when you install
[08:26] <Kilos> so i made a dvd of 12.04 kubuntu
[08:26] <Kilos> where do you have the iso
[08:26] <Kilos> apart from on the stick
[08:27] <TaraLS> I think it was on mom's PC, lol
[08:28] <TaraLS> I really doubt I'd have put 64bit
[08:28] <Kilos> om my
[08:28] <Kilos> if it says i386 in its name its 32 methinks
[08:29] <TaraLS> Hm
[08:30] <TaraLS> Jeez. It's 753mb, I forgot.
[08:30] <TaraLS> Blah.
[08:31] <Kilos> ya big
[08:32] <Kilos> other pc still doing recovery
[08:32] <Kilos> ?
[08:33] <Kilos> anyway you know how to made it work from dvd
[08:34] <Kilos> this is where its lekker with 2 ubuntu pcs
[08:34] <TaraLS> Other PC is still stuck on the same Freeing initrd memory yep
[08:37] <TaraLS> Whew what a headache
[08:40] <TaraLS> Do you think maybe 4gigs of ram is too much for this cpu?
[08:40] <TaraLS> Kilos:
[08:41] <Kilos> no
[08:41] <Kilos> lotsa ram is good
[08:41] <Kilos> i dont think you can ever have too much ram
[08:41] <TaraLS> It says up top that "HEST s not enabled!" whatever that means.
[08:42] <Kilos> does it show a new line every now and again
[08:42] <TaraLS> Nop
[08:42] <TaraLS> e
[08:42] <TaraLS> Still stuc on this stupid memory thing
[08:42] <Kilos> i dunno whats hests
[08:43] <TaraLS> Okay wait i take photo of whole screen
[08:43] <Kilos> maybe something in bios not enabled
[08:48] <TaraLS> super
[08:48] <TaraLS> superfly: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/RecoveryMode.jpg
[08:48] <TaraLS> inetpro:  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/RecoveryMode.jpg
[08:48] <TaraLS> Kilos:
[08:49] <superfly> TaraLS: nothing out of the ordinary there
[08:49] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Is that the page you had, and then you went and did something else and when you came back, it was on the login screen?
[08:49] <TaraLS> superfly:  Oh good.
[08:49] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:49] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:49] <TaraLS> inetpro:  There you are.
[08:50] <TaraLS> superfly:  Should I just wait then, do you think?
[08:50]  * inetpro a bit busy
[08:50] <superfly> how long have you been waiting?
[08:50]  * superfly is also quite busy
[08:50] <TaraLS> superfly:  Fooorrr about...
[08:51] <Kilos> its still doing something TaraLS
[08:51] <Kilos> let it go more
[08:51] <TaraLS> superfly:  For at least 20 mins
[08:51] <TaraLS> superfly:  and nothing has changed, so i don't know if it's actually doing anything at all.
[08:52] <Kilos> maybe you shoulda been downloading the 12.04 iso
[08:53] <TaraLS> superfly: I've been waiting for thirty mins.
[08:53] <TaraLS> Kilos:  I thought about it, but I don't want to do a fresh install at this point.
[08:53] <Kilos> hi jrgns
[08:54] <Kilos> it shouldnt recover for 30 mins
[08:54] <Kilos> something no good there
[08:54] <superfly> TaraLS: so you plugged in your mom's CPU, and then tried to boot, and your computer wouldn't boot up?
[08:54] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Yeah, see? I should wait, right? lol.
[08:54] <Kilos> try the bottom recovery option
[08:54] <TaraLS> superfly:  Computer boots up. It just doesn't boot all the way into ubuntu.
[08:55] <TaraLS> superfly:  I don't even get to the login screen.
[08:55] <Kilos> she swopped cpus from moms superfly
[08:55] <TaraLS> superfly:  Once I got to the purple screen before the login screen, and it hung there, so I restarted, and then it never got back there.
[08:55] <superfly> Kilos: is one 64 bit and one 32 bit?
[08:56] <Kilos> dunno super
[08:56] <Kilos> moms is 32 like mine
[08:56] <Kilos> i dunno what taras is
[08:56] <TaraLS> superfly:  It goes to a page asking me which thingy to select "Ubuntu" or "Ubuntu with advanced options" or "memtest86" or "memtest86 and something else"
[08:56] <TaraLS> superfly:  My Windows XP was 32bit, so I reckon I would have got the Ubuntu that is 32bit, especially if it says "recommended" on the download.
[08:57] <TaraLS> superfly: Also, I tried the usb stick on mom' computer before, and it didn't boot up, which is why I needed to use DSL
[08:57] <TaraLS> maybe the CPU just isn't powerful enough to run Ubuntu at all?
[08:57] <Kilos> ya but is/was your pc a 64 bit one
[08:57] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Dude....
[08:57] <Kilos> im not dude they in aus
[08:57] <TaraLS> Kilos: I have no clue. I don't think it ever was. I've always done 32bit things when given the option
[08:58] <Kilos> 64 bit things can use 32 bit
[08:58]  * TaraLS sighs.
[08:58] <Kilos> but not other way around
[08:58] <TaraLS> Who knows. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
[08:58] <TaraLS> All I know is that my WINDOWS was 32bit.
[08:58] <Kilos> nice to hear that for a change
[08:58] <TaraLS> I have no idea if my computer stuff is 64 bit
[08:58] <TaraLS> Kilos:  You keep up the snark, I won't talk to you.
[08:59] <Kilos> fine
[08:59] <TaraLS> Kilos:  I'll talk to the guys who actually help me instead of being buttheads.
[08:59] <superfly> TaraLS: it should at least get to the login screen, so although it really should not be the case, I'm inclined to believe you
[08:59] <superfly> or, agree with you
[08:59] <TaraLS> superfly: Agree with me about which/
[08:59] <TaraLS> ?*
 maybe the CPU just isn't powerful enough to run Ubuntu at all?
[08:59] <TaraLS> Yeah.
[08:59] <TaraLS> :(
[09:00] <Kilos> its a 2.8gB cpu
[09:00] <Kilos> oh sorry
[09:00] <Kilos> maybe go join #ubuntu-au
[09:00] <Kilos> they have your timezone
[09:00] <TaraLS> Kilos:  What are you on about now?
[09:01] <Kilos> instead of #ubuntu-za
[09:01] <Kilos> #ubuntu-au
[09:01] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Yes, I get that. But why you suggesting that?
[09:01] <Kilos>  is aus
[09:01] <Kilos> then they not working like the guys here
[09:01] <TaraLS> Hm
[09:02] <TaraLS> I selected the bottom recovery mode
[09:02] <TaraLS> And one of the readouts says...
[09:02] <Kilos> why
[09:02] <TaraLS> "EISA: Cannot allocate resource for mainboard"
[09:02] <Kilos> im a butthead
[09:02] <TaraLS> Kilos:  You're acting like one, yeah. You need to stop it.
[09:02] <Kilos> maybe some bios settings to go through again
[09:03] <TaraLS> Would changing the CPU really reset some BIOS things, though?
[09:03] <Kilos> did it not say new cpu
[09:03] <TaraLS> Yeah
[09:03] <Kilos> did you not choose defaults
[09:03] <TaraLS> Ooh... Should I disable hyperthreading technology?
[09:04] <TaraLS> It's currently enabled
[09:04] <Kilos> did i not say so hours ago
[09:04] <TaraLS> ...
[09:04] <TaraLS> Don't revert to buttheadedness
[09:04] <TaraLS> I didn't see this option before.
[09:04] <TaraLS> Plus, it didn't show in my BIOS with my other CPU so i had no reason to think that it would with a new CPU
[09:06] <superfly> TaraLS: yeah, try disabling it?
[09:07] <inetpro> ahh, she switched CPUs?
[09:07] <inetpro> nice job!
[09:07] <TaraLS> Eeh
[09:07] <inetpro> at least it seems the BIOS is working perfectly, that's a positive
[09:07] <TaraLS> superfly: Kilos  Turned off hyperthreading, and it didn't make a difference
[09:08] <TaraLS> inetpro:  Thanks much, but it looks like the CPU might not be powerful enough for Ubuntu. How outrageous.
[09:08] <TaraLS> inetpro:  Remember, this is the same CPU that was in the comp we tried to run Ubuntu on, but ended up needing to use DSL.
[09:09] <inetpro> maybe it's just a bug on that cpu
[09:09] <TaraLS> When comp starts up, it says "Dual-channel interleaved mode". Whaaaat the heck is that?
[09:09] <inetpro> something that needs to be identified and worked around
[09:10] <TaraLS> Okay here is what the CPU Configurations in Advanced tab of BIOS say...
[09:11] <TaraLS> C1E Support - Enabled. Max CPUID Value Limited - Disabled (apparently for XP). CPU TM Function - Enabled. Execute Disable Bit - Enabled. hyper Threading Technology - Disabled
[09:11] <inetpro> TaraLS: maybe another distro other than ubuntu will work
[09:11] <TaraLS> inetpro:  By distro, you mean OS?
[09:11] <TaraLS> Or... a different linux specifically? Like Kubuntu or Mint?
[09:12] <inetpro> TaraLS: linux is the OS, Ubuntu is just another distribution of Linux
[09:12] <TaraLS> inetpro:  Okay yeah, that's what  thought.
[09:12] <inetpro> many, many flavours of Linux available
[09:12] <TaraLS> But if I get something else, you guys might not be as profficient in helping me. :'(
[09:12] <inetpro> haha
[09:13] <TaraLS> It's not funny! :P I have to think practically, hre.
[09:13] <TaraLS> here*
[09:13] <inetpro> I'm not saying that we should diss Ubuntu just yet
[09:13] <TaraLS> I just wanted to see if my CPU was what was freezing my computer. I can't even do THAT without running into trouble. This is so outrageous.
[09:13] <inetpro> just mentioning different options here
[09:14] <TaraLS> Hm... Okay. Well... I can always run my XP disc and see...
[09:14] <TaraLS> I know that XP runs on this CPU because mom's comp has XP.
[09:14] <Kilos> good idea
[09:15] <TaraLS> Sadly, I can't "try XP". I'll have to install it. BLAH.
[09:15] <TaraLS> superfly:
[09:15] <inetpro> TaraLS: remember, as you mentioned,  that you could not boot with Ubuntu on your moms PC
[09:15] <TaraLS> inetpro:  Yes.
[09:15] <inetpro> the cpu could be the reason
[09:16] <TaraLS> inetpro:  Ya, that's what I was saying before.
[09:16] <superfly> TaraLS: why did you swap the CPUs out?
[09:16] <TaraLS> WHAT A DRAG.
[09:16] <TaraLS> superfly: To see if my original CPU is the problem that is causing my PC to freeze.
[09:16] <superfly> AH
[09:16] <TaraLS> superfly: If it was, then a different CPU shouldn't cause the comp to freeze.
[09:16] <TaraLS> superfly: Sadly, even THAT seems an impossible task.
[09:17] <inetpro> superfly: does it not make sense to do that?
[09:17] <TaraLS> superfly: Kilos inetpro Okay... Are we all in agreement? See if I can install XP?
[09:17]  * TaraLS thinks it really should be possible...
[09:18] <TaraLS> Yeuch, going back to potentially blue screens just makes me nauseous lol
[09:18] <Kilos> just dont use the partitions you have as ?storage and ?spare
[09:18] <inetpro> TaraLS: yes it makes sense to install Windows, just make sure you don't loose precious data
[09:19] <TaraLS> inetpro: I'll just lose forty-two songs, which I can get again. It's just a drag getting them, but yeah.
[09:20] <inetpro> anyway, I have some work to do
[09:20] <TaraLS> Ubuntu should update its "system requirements" to show the minimum hardware needed.
[09:20] <TaraLS> inetpro:  Okay, thanks for your help.
[09:20]  * inetpro was late already, due to having to do stupid FICA processes at the bank
[09:21] <TaraLS> Ew. banks
[09:22] <inetpro> they basically forced me to do it by blocking all transactions on my accounts
[09:22] <TaraLS> Actually wait
[09:22] <TaraLS> Before Ido XP
[09:22] <TaraLS> Maybe I can use the command line to do something
[09:22] <TaraLS> What command should I put in?
[09:22] <inetpro> and if I had not done it this morning I would not be able to put fuel for the car, let alone pay my accounts in a few days from now
[09:23]  * inetpro gone to work some
[09:23] <TaraLS> superfly:  Kilos
[09:24] <Kilos> ?
[09:24] <TaraLS> Should I try something in the command line?
[09:24] <TaraLS> Before I go to xp?
[09:24] <TaraLS> "Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported."
[09:24] <Kilos> i would
[09:25] <TaraLS> Okay, but what?
[09:25] <Kilos> try the command i gave earlier
[09:25] <Kilos> and see what it does on booting
[09:25] <TaraLS> That was yonks ago. What was it?
[09:25] <Kilos> sudo touch /forcefsck
[09:26] <TaraLS> Nope
[09:26] <TaraLS> Going to XP
[09:26] <Kilos> ok
[09:26] <Kilos> bye
[09:26] <TaraLS> Er.
[09:26] <TaraLS> Fine. Seeya.
[09:27] <Kilos> good luck
[09:27] <TaraLS> No as in... the sudo thing didn;t work.
[09:27] <TaraLS> So why you saying bye like an emo child?
[09:28] <TaraLS> Okay.... Windows Disc is just on blank screen...
[09:28] <Kilos> ok i dunno that c thing what commands it actually accepts
[09:28] <TaraLS> It said "Setup is checking your hardware configuration" or something... and now it's just a black screen.
[09:28] <TaraLS> Usually it goes right to the windows setup
[09:28] <TaraLS> What the heeeecccckckkk
 Going to XP
 ok
 bye
[09:28] <TaraLS> Yes, I know very well what was said.
[09:29] <Kilos> so where the emo child comes from
[09:29] <TaraLS> You never say bye, for one, and always complain if WE say bye
[09:30] <Kilos> try booting
[09:30] <Kilos> and hit space lots
[09:30] <Kilos> tap tap tap
[09:30] <TaraLS> Eh? What should I expect to happen?
[09:30] <TaraLS> And am I booting with disc or to HDD?
[09:30] <Kilos> hopefully the proper command line
[09:30] <Kilos> hdd
[09:31] <TaraLS> So if I hit space lots... it'll give me the proper command line?
[09:31] <Kilos> thought you can boot from disc
[09:31] <Kilos> stick
[09:31] <TaraLS> Oh for heaven's sake.
[09:31] <Kilos> hopefully yes
[09:31] <Kilos> s/ca/cant/
[09:31] <Kilos> can cant
[09:31] <TaraLS> brb
[09:32] <Squirm> sorry
[09:32] <Squirm> im in and out
[09:32] <TaraLS> Well what do you know
[09:32] <TaraLS> I took out one RAM stick and the Windows disc went to setup
[09:32] <TaraLS> But it says...
[09:33] <TaraLS> "The entry SETUPREG.HIV" in the [SourceDisksFiles] section of the INF file is corrupt or missing. Setup cannot continue. Press any key to exit.
[09:33] <TaraLS> I'm not sure how something can be missing from a disc, but okay.
[09:33] <TaraLS> Lemme try boot to Ubuntu
[09:33] <Squirm> TaraLS: if it's scratch files easily go missing
[09:33] <Squirm> scratched
[09:33] <TaraLS> Squirm: It would have got scratched by a ghost.
[09:33] <TaraLS> I handle discs very carefully.
[09:34] <Squirm> or not written to disk correctly
[09:34] <Squirm> or not read from disk correctly
[09:34] <TaraLS> This disc has worked several times before
[09:35] <Squirm> just letting you know some reason as to why
[09:35]  * Squirm shrugs
[09:36] <TaraLS> I know. I'm just letting you know that those can't be them. Didn't mean to offend.
[09:37] <TaraLS> Whew sick of fiddling with computers.
[09:37] <TaraLS> Well, I'm stuffed with what to do now.
[09:37] <Kilos> can you boot from your ubuntu stick
[09:38] <Kilos> or have you got ubuntu onto a dvd yet
[09:39] <TaraLS> I can't put Ubuntu on disc
[09:39] <TaraLS> As I told you before,  because my discs aren't big enough
[09:40] <Kilos> dvd not big enough?
[09:40] <TaraLS> I don't have dvd discs
[09:40] <TaraLS> Only normal CD-RW
[09:40] <Kilos> ah
[09:40] <TaraLS> 700mbs
[09:40] <Squirm> why are you trying to boot windows?
[09:41] <TaraLS> Squirm: Because I think this CPU isn't powerful enough to run Ubuntu
[09:41] <inetpro> TaraLS: perhaps try getting something like a small distro on the stick
[09:41] <TaraLS> inetpro:  Suggestions?
[09:42] <Kilos> where the dsl
[09:42] <TaraLS> It was a dsl that was usable FROM Windows.
[09:42] <TaraLS> I would need a bootable dsl
[09:42] <inetpro> I say small just so you can get it quickly just to test
[09:42] <inetpro> not necessarily for the long run
[09:42] <TaraLS> Ya
[09:43] <Kilos> puppy or something
[09:43] <TaraLS> I'ma put my CPU in mom's comp and see if her comp starts up
[09:43] <TaraLS> Testing a CPU to see if it WONT freeze is essentially the same as testing the other CPU to see if it WILL
[09:43] <Kilos> tinycore linux zeros a drive if you try install it
[09:52] <TaraLS> Hm
[09:52] <TaraLS> As soon as I press the button on mom's comp, the comp switches on and then turns off.
[09:52] <TaraLS> Weird.
[09:52] <TaraLS> Oh well. Guess my comp is going to the shop, lol. I've really tried everything now.
[09:52] <Kilos> her pc cant take a dual core cpu
[09:52] <Kilos> only core2
[09:53] <Kilos> or single core
[09:53] <TaraLS> Okeydoke
[09:56] <Kilos> try your cpu back in your pc
[09:57] <TaraLS> I am
[09:58] <TaraLS> Now I get to go through the fan debacle again, yeeeey...
[09:58] <Kilos> lol
[09:58] <Kilos> pc prob sorting is serious labour
[09:59] <Kilos> and takes biiig patience.
[09:59] <Kilos> lotsa trial and error involved
[10:00] <TaraLS> Yeah, I'm not doing it anymore.
[10:00] <TaraLS> Thanks everyone for your help over the last couple weeks.
[10:00] <TaraLS> Very much appreciated.
[10:01] <Kilos> ok toods kiddo
[10:01] <Kilos> what you gonna do
[10:01] <Kilos> start with your cpu in and do a reinstall
[10:02] <Kilos> if it doesnt boot that is
[10:03] <Kilos> but i think it will and recovery will get it going again
[10:03] <TaraLS> what. is. the. point. of doing a reinstall?
[10:03] <Kilos> trying to get a working pc
[10:04] <Kilos> one doesnt need to stream all the time
[10:04] <TaraLS> omg
[10:04] <TaraLS> Streaming isn't the only thing that makes the comp freeze
[10:04] <TaraLS> That's just what I use to test it.
[10:04] <TaraLS> Instead of installing all my programs and using them. Which I can't with Ubuntu, ANYway.
[10:05] <Kilos> did you look for alternatives?
[10:05] <TaraLS> Not going over this again.
[10:05] <TaraLS> Anyway, thanks for your help.
[10:05] <Kilos> ok toods
[10:07] <Kilos> whew
[10:10] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:10]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:10] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[10:10] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[10:10] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[10:10] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[10:10] <Kilos> and tranquilisers
[10:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:14] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[10:14] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[10:20] <TaraLS> Just letting you all know that my comp started up fine with my CPU back in it.
[10:20] <Kilos> hmm working
[10:20] <Kilos> maybe the removing some dust helped too
[10:20] <TaraLS> We'll have to wait and see.
[10:21] <TaraLS> For now, I'm going to vegetate. My brain is on overload.
[10:21]  * TaraLS waves goodnight for the time being.
[10:21] <Tonberry> night?
[10:21] <Tonberry> what planet is this?
[10:21] <TaraLS> Planet Australia
[10:21] <TaraLS> 9:20pm
[10:21] <Tonberry> ah
[10:21] <Kilos> wow
[10:22] <Kilos> leep loose TaraLS
[10:22] <TaraLS> Ya
[10:22] <TaraLS> Toods
[11:28] <magespawn> afternoon all
[11:32] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[11:32] <Kilos> lo mazal
[11:33] <mazal> Aftrnoon Kilos , magespawn
[11:34] <Kilos> hows things mazal ?
[11:34] <mazal> Bit rough oom
[11:34] <Kilos> again?
[11:34] <mazal> Health this time
[11:34] <Kilos> struggling with ms again?
[11:34] <Kilos> oh my
[11:35] <mazal> Home sick
[11:35] <Kilos> flu?
[11:35] <mazal> uhm
[11:35] <Kilos> aw
[11:35] <mazal> Is a kinda private problem
[11:35] <Kilos> ok
[11:35] <aquarat> awkward
[11:35] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[11:35] <aquarat> hi Kilos :P
[11:36]  * aquarat is waiting for a download to finish
[11:36] <aquarat> paranoid about bricking devices
[11:37] <Kilos> whats bricking devices
[11:38] <aquarat> if you modify software on a device and as a result the device stops working
[11:38] <aquarat> like a phone that won't turn on
[11:38] <Kilos> ouch
[11:38] <aquarat> because the software on the phone is corrupt
[11:38] <aquarat> hasn't happened
[11:39] <aquarat> I'm trying ubuntu on the nexus 7
[11:39] <aquarat> but the flashing didn't go so well, so I'm quickly reverting back to stock
[11:40] <Kilos> eeek
[11:40] <mazal> oi
[11:41] <aquarat> it's unlikely that I'd actually brick it
[11:41] <mazal> Btw Kilos, before I forget AGAIN
[11:42] <Kilos> what?
[11:42] <mazal> I haven't had a shutdown issues yet this week so far
[11:42] <Kilos> great
[11:42] <mazal> Looks like that upstart re-install did the thing
[11:42] <Kilos> good
[11:42] <Kilos> the pro taught me that
[11:43] <Kilos> i think my memory is getting better
[11:44] <Kilos> remembering who taught me what
[11:44] <mazal> I can't even remember what I was taught , let alone who taught it lol
[11:44] <Kilos> lol looks like when its big issues i member them
[11:45] <Kilos> was scared of losing maverick at the time
[11:45] <Kilos> and i still have maverick now
[11:45] <Kilos> 10.10
[11:46] <Kilos> even though not supported anymore
[11:46]  * mazal moet eers weer gaan
[11:46] <mazal> bbl
[11:47] <Kilos> ok
[12:25] <mazal> back for a bit
[12:25] <Kilos> ah
[12:25] <Kilos> hi simeon
[12:26] <mazal> What's the difference between http://ubuntu-za.org/ and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za ?
[12:26] <mazal> I know one is the wiki and the other the launchpad team
[12:27] <mazal> But when do we use which one and what for ?
[12:30] <Kilos> i dunno
[12:35] <Kilos> oh yay i am a member of the team
[12:35] <Kilos> w000t
[12:37] <Kilos> looks like second one is where you sign up or join and first one is the whats happened site
[12:37] <inetpro> mazal: oh there's more
[12:38] <inetpro> there's also http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za
[12:39] <inetpro> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam
[12:40] <inetpro> mazal: our own site is at http://ubuntu-za.org/
[12:40] <inetpro> launchpad and the others are somewhat controlled by canonical
[12:44]  * Kilos hates those capcha things
[12:44] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[12:44] <Kilos> i battle to see them man
[12:44] <Kilos> always gotta try 3 or 4 times
[12:44] <inetpro> those things help a lot to keep things running
[12:45] <Kilos> yeah stops bots etc i accept but stops me most of the time too
[12:46] <inetpro> Kilos: tell me if you find a better solution :-)
[12:46] <Kilos> you forget one of my eyes is blind and the other one also cant see
[12:46] <Kilos> hehe
[12:47] <inetpro> Kilos: no worries, I have the exact same problem
[12:47] <Kilos> i dont think there is a better solution found yet sir
[12:48] <Kilos> do you also sukkel with capchas
[12:48] <Kilos> oh my
[12:48] <Kilos> sometimes i just give up and do something else
[12:48] <inetpro> some sites often use very very weird characters
[12:49] <Kilos> yeah them i give up completely
[12:50] <Kilos> now if we use these last sights you gave instead of the first 2 isnt it less thats visible for the reapproval trip
[12:50] <Kilos> who actually approves us
[12:51] <Kilos> is canonical involved
[12:53] <Kilos> ty you and the fly for your patience this morning
[12:53] <Kilos> if ian was like that id be ashamed
[12:54] <inetpro> Kilos: forget about it
[12:55] <inetpro> in this channel she's just another ubuntu peep
[12:56] <inetpro> she will have to learn to respect the ubuntu code of conduct
[12:56] <Kilos> thats an idea
[12:56] <Kilos> someone else will have to point it out though
[12:56] <Kilos> lol
[12:56] <inetpro> exactly
[12:56] <Kilos> or im the butthead again
[12:56] <Kilos> rofl
[12:57] <inetpro> Kilos: so sometimes you will also have to learn to stay out of it
[12:57] <Kilos> lol then i get asked why im ignoring her
[12:58] <inetpro> family matters must stay at home
[12:58] <Kilos> she is too used to being thew centre of attention
[12:59] <Kilos> ya
[12:59]  * Squirm yawns
[13:00] <Kilos> tired again Squirm y
[13:00] <Squirm> Kilos: always
[13:00] <Kilos> late nights bad for you small town peeps
[13:01] <Squirm> no
[13:01] <Squirm> I'm just always tired
[13:01] <Squirm> ok, today I'm a bit grumy
[13:01] <Squirm> grumpy
[13:01] <Kilos> then something wrong man
[13:01] <Kilos> maybe you got worms and they stealing all the good outa your food
[13:01] <Kilos> hehe
[13:11] <Squirm> Kilos: oh no
[13:11] <Squirm> I know why I'm always
[13:12] <Kilos> then fix it lad
[13:12] <Kilos> its yucky feeling tired
[13:14] <Kilos> ah
[13:14] <Kilos> its your hat
[13:14] <Kilos> spoosed to be a red one
[14:44] <charl_> good afternoon
[14:44] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[14:44]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[14:44] <Kilos> oh my wb charl_
[14:44] <charl_> hi Kilos
[14:44] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[14:44] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[14:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[14:48] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:48] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:48] <charl_> Maaz: dank je
[14:48] <Maaz> charl_: Huh?
[14:48] <charl_> Maaz: danke
[14:48] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[14:48] <charl_> can't speak dutch to the bot, have to do it in german :P
[14:49] <Kilos> lol
[14:49] <charl_> Kilos: long time no speak to, how's it going
[14:49] <Kilos> good here ty . where you been loafing
[14:49] <charl_> i have been sick with a flu
[14:49] <charl_> outside of that, just been busy
[14:49] <Kilos> for a month?
[14:49] <charl_> no, only for a few days, it hasn't been that long (i think)
[14:51] <Kilos> i coulda told you if you warned me before you came on now
[14:51] <Kilos> Maaz, members
[14:51] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[14:52] <charl_> ???
[14:52] <Kilos> as in
[14:52] <Kilos> Maaz, seen sflr
[14:52] <Maaz> Kilos: sflr was last seen 2 months, 10 days, 6 hours, 22 minutes and 32 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-09-14 01:30:09 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-09-14 01:41:39 PDT
[14:54] <charl_> oh yes
[14:54] <charl_> Maaz: seen charl
[14:54] <Maaz> charl_: charl was last seen 12 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes and 54 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-11-10 11:17:56 PST], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-11-10 17:08:11 PST
[14:55] <charl_> see, less than two weeks :)
[14:59] <Kilos> ah
[14:59] <Kilos> 2 weeks
[14:59] <Kilos> lo Ludo
[14:59] <Kilos> i go get sheep
[14:59] <charl_> i see a lot of people are moving away from ubuntu to mint now
[14:59] <charl_> ok ciao
[15:09] <Kilos> buncha chickens
[15:25] <Kilos> magespawn, you quiet today
[15:25] <Kilos> you scared we make you work
[15:25] <Kilos> ?
[15:28]  * mazal peeks in
[15:29] <charl_> hi Maaz
[15:29] <charl_> hi mazal
[15:29] <charl_> sorry :)
[15:29] <Kilos> lol
[15:30] <mazal> Lo Charl
[15:48]  * mazal teug lang tand aan 'n koppie green tea
[15:50]  * charl_ zit aan een kopje indische chai thee te drinken (mijn laatste kopje want ik ga zowiezo naar huis)
[17:18] <Kilos> hmmmmmer
[17:18] <Kilos> lo superfly inetpro and other lurkersa
[17:19] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:19]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:19] <Kilos> inetpro, how much rain last night?
[17:20] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:23] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:23] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:23] <zeref> yay
[17:23] <zeref> got my new lappy
[17:24] <Kilos> thats nice zeref you happy hey
[17:24] <zeref> :DDDDDDDDD
[17:24] <Kilos> what you got?
[17:24] <Kilos> specs wise
[17:25] <Kilos> right click my computer and go properties
[17:25] <Kilos> lol
[17:25] <zeref> lol
[17:26] <zeref> intel core i5, nvidia 630, 6GB RAM, 750 GB HDD
[17:26] <Kilos> lovely
[17:27] <zeref> hav not even iven windows a chance to boot
[17:27] <Kilos> rofl
[17:27] <Kilos> well done
[17:27] <Kilos> i wonder why
[17:27] <Kilos> win 7 or 8
[17:28] <zeref> 7
[17:28] <zeref> they wanted to put 8
[17:28] <Kilos> sell the cd
[17:28] <zeref> was like nought bru
[17:29] <Kilos> im regressing
[17:30] <Kilos> have to use winsucks to fix some drives
[17:31] <zeref> I'll keep the windows side for games
[17:32] <Kilos> they should sell a booklet with each pc giving instructions on how to fixmbr and fixboot
[17:32] <zeref> fixmbr, fixboot???
[17:32] <Kilos> i would cry if i had such a nice drive crash on me
[17:33] <Kilos> you boot with an xp cd and go recovery mode and then enter those 2 commands
[17:33] <Kilos> fixboot first
[17:33] <zeref> i see
[17:34] <Kilos> dunno what win7 has in that line
[17:34] <zeref> fix drivers. why not just reinstall?
[17:34] <Kilos> sometimes the mbr is corrupted
[17:34] <Kilos> virus writers are clever
[17:35] <Kilos> other times boot sector is corrupt
[17:35] <Kilos> cant install
[17:35] <zeref> virus, who is that?
[17:35] <zeref> :)
[17:35] <Kilos> hehe
[17:37] <Kilos> saw one poor yank ask for help to fix his drive. data recovery peeps wanted $2500 and a new same size drive is liks $160 or something like that
[17:37] <Kilos> shame
[17:37] <mazal> backups backups backups
[17:38] <mazal> Oh , did I mention backups :)
[17:38] <Kilos> yeah
[17:38] <Kilos> hehe
[17:38] <mazal> I build a whole ubuntu server for my users to be able to backup their docs and still they don't do it
[17:39] <mazal> All they have to do is double-click a shortcut , but noooooooooooooo
[17:39] <Kilos> ya winsucks mentality
[17:39] <Kilos> ive got antivirus and firewall and anti malware. nothing can happen to me
[17:40] <mazal> It's "on the computer" , it's safe
[17:41] <mazal> I always teach them that everything you have only in 1 place you don't have at all , that's my rule
[17:41] <Kilos> then HELP my pc crashe3d
[17:41] <Kilos> ya
[17:50] <superfly> I don't offer Windows support. My family knows this too. If you want computer support from me, run Linux or use a Mac. I refuse to support Windows.
[17:51] <Kilos> well done superfly
[17:51] <zeref> lol @ superfly
[17:51] <Kilos> i havent even seen a mac yet
[17:54]  * Kilos wonders what happened to magespawn
[17:55] <Kilos> hi timkeller
[17:55] <Kilos> have you joined our mailing list
[18:02] <magtie> Hi Kilos & Everybody
[18:03] <Kilos> hi magtie
[18:03] <Kilos> you well auntie?
[18:03] <magtie> I am very well
[18:03] <Kilos> great
[18:03] <magtie> Building a car...
[18:04] <Kilos> what kind?
[18:04] <magtie> out of cake!
[18:04] <Kilos> yummy
[18:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <Kilos> whose birthday
[18:04] <magtie> The smiling bakkie from 'Cars'
[18:04] <magtie> with the teeth
[18:04] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:05] <magtie> a 60 yo gentleman
[18:05] <Kilos> you people watch too much tv
[18:05] <magtie> ordered by his daughter
[18:05] <Kilos> ah
[18:05] <Kilos> old man hey
[18:05] <magtie> I say,  Food chanel gets hectic sometimes
[18:06] <magtie> Spring chicken
[18:06] <Kilos> what?
[18:06] <Kilos> 60 spring chicken
[18:06] <Kilos> whew
[18:07] <magtie> must be - Im 59
[18:07] <Kilos> really?
[18:07] <magtie> ja
[18:08] <Kilos> wow then i have to stop calling you tannie
[18:08] <Kilos> there isnt a 10 year gap
[18:08] <Kilos> sigh
[18:11] <magtie> with your children fooling around on computers
[18:11] <magtie> maybe a little over 21
[18:12] <magtie> ------ my grand children does too..
[18:12] <Kilos> oh my kids be older
[18:12] <magtie> hell, I'm OLD!
[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:12] <Kilos> spring chicken man
[18:12] <Kilos> girl
[18:13] <magtie> as old as you feel
[18:13] <Kilos> i dont have grandkids yet
[18:13] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_l
[18:13] <SmilyBorg_l> Hi there
[18:13] <Kilos> you been ignoring us SmilyBorg
[18:13] <Kilos> meanie
[18:14] <SmilyBorg> Sorry Kilos, been having a really hard time lately
[18:14] <Kilos> congrats magtie you doing a great job
[18:14] <Kilos> aw again
[18:16] <Kilos> magtie, and smiley please try be here on the 18th december
[18:16] <magtie> will try
[18:16] <Kilos> its our reacceptance goody
[18:16] <magtie> what is that?
[18:17] <Kilos> whew i get mixed up some. reacceptance into ubuntu somewhere
[18:17] <Kilos> and a registered ubuntu something or other
[18:18] <Kilos> i wish some of the experts would help me about now
[18:18] <SmilyBorg> 18th, thats a tuesday
[18:18] <Kilos> mazal, whats it about?
[18:19] <Kilos> yeah and our monthly meeting is the monday
[18:20] <Kilos> its actually on #ubuntu-meeting channel but we start from here i think
[18:20] <SmilyBorg> will see what I can do. will be on leave then
[18:21] <Kilos> ah ty
[18:21] <mazal> It's in #ubuntu-mmeting , not here
[18:21] <mazal> And it's for re-approval to be a loco
[18:21] <Kilos> ya that thing
[18:22] <Kilos> ty mazal
[18:22] <magtie> tu mazal
[18:22] <Kilos> just today i said memory getting better
[18:22] <Kilos> sigh
[18:23] <mazal> Didn't you guys see the email ?
[18:23] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[18:23] <Kilos> i dunno if they have joined our lists
[18:24] <Kilos> magtie, SmilyBorg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:24] <smile4ever> hi Kilos :p
[18:24] <Kilos> if you havent joined please do
[18:24] <Kilos> we need some numbers as well
[18:24] <SmilyBorg> I'm on there. have been for ages
[18:25] <Kilos> good girl
[18:25] <Kilos> ty
[18:25] <mazal> " It is time for our loco to be re-approved. The benefits of being an approved LoCo is that we get DVDs and sometimes we get exhibition stuff, e.g. banner and table cloth.
[18:25] <mazal> Our reapproval date is 5 Dec 2012 but the next re-approval meeting will be Tuesday 18th December 2012, 20:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net. I have put us on the agenda. "
[18:25] <Kilos> they want stats
[18:25] <mazal> That's a little extract from the mail
[18:26] <Kilos> ty mazal
[18:26] <mazal> " To be re-approved we need 2 things:
[18:26] <mazal> 1. a re-approval application showing the LoCo council that we have been active in the past 2 years
[18:26] <mazal> 2. people from the team at the meeting to answer questions and explain items on the wiki page "
[18:26] <mazal> " Find the wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2012 "
[18:26] <mazal> " Some areas on the wiki page that I need info:
[18:26] <mazal> webpage stats
[18:26] <mazal> irc stats
[18:26] <mazal> mailing list stats "
[18:27] <mazal> " anything else you can think of that shows what we have been doing. "
[18:27] <mazal> " I will be at the LoCo council meeting but anyone who wants to come and give support would be great as well. "
[18:27] <mazal> That all is from Maia
[18:28] <SmilyBorg> sorry, I need to go. need to pack for a trip to JHB tomorrow that I have to be up at 4am for
[18:28] <Kilos> go safe SmilyBorg
[18:28] <Kilos> ty for the visit
[18:29] <SmilyBorg> thanks will try. anxious as hell. been roped in at the last minute at I usualy like to plan trips in great detail so I dont have any surprises.
[18:29] <SmilyBorg> cya
[18:30] <Kilos> toods
[18:39] <mazal> Ek gaan maar lê oom
[18:39] <mazal> Het seer
[18:39] <Kilos> lekker slaap mazal
[18:39] <mazal> Lekker aand verder
[18:39] <Kilos> kan jou glo
[18:39] <Kilos> dankie
[18:53] <Kilos> i go crash too peeps
[18:54] <Kilos> night magtie  and others
[18:54] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:34] <smile4ever> byee :p
[20:02] <inetpro> good evening
[20:04] <Squirm> good night
[20:06] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:06] <inetpro> Squirm: lekker slaap


[00:13] <thumper> :(
[00:49] <johnjosephbachir> hello -- i'm not very savvy with pgp -- if i've set up authentication with launchpad on one machine, how do i do the same on a second machine?
[01:29] <thumper> johnjosephbachir: what are you wanting to do?
[02:47] <johnjosephbachir> thumper-afk: i want to check things out of launchpad
[02:47] <johnjosephbachir> branch branches
[02:47] <johnjosephbachir> you know. live the dream.
[02:48] <wgrant> johnjosephbachir: Read-only access doesn't require any key setup, and writing requires *SSH* (not OpenPGP) keys.
[02:49] <johnjosephbachir> wgrant: reading--  that's what i assumed, but bzr branch lp:bzr.webdav says "Permission denied (publickey)"
[02:50] <johnjosephbachir> wgrant: writing-- i'm talking about this-- https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey
[02:50] <wgrant> johnjosephbachir: You've run 'bzr launchpad-login', so it will try to use your SSH keys.
[02:50] <johnjosephbachir> but maybe i've been led astray
[02:50] <wgrant> johnjosephbachir: You have indeed been led astray.
[02:50]  * wgrant finds the correct page.
[02:54] <wgrant> johnjosephbachir: Read https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch?
[02:54] <johnjosephbachir> wgrant: thanks! so-- in the meantime, how do i fix my reading?
[02:54] <wgrant> johnjosephbachir: Remove your Launchpad username from ~/.bazaar/authentication.conf
[02:56]  * johnjosephbachir looks for a good pastbin
[02:57] <johnjosephbachir> wgrant: http://paste-bin.com/view/7e22179c
[02:58] <wgrant> johnjosephbachir: Oh, right. launchpad_username in ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf too.
[02:59] <johnjosephbachir> wgrant: working now -- thanks!!
[02:59] <wgrant> johnjosephbachir: np
[03:19] <johnjosephbachir> if i want to change the parent branch of a branch, do i use pull --remember ? what if i have local changes, will they get overwritten?
[03:19]  * johnjosephbachir tries it
[03:19] <johnjosephbachir> Yes.
[03:19] <johnjosephbachir> : )
[05:36] <wgrant> How do I withdraw a merge proposal?
[05:36] <lifeless> mark it as eclined
[05:37] <wgrant> I can't seem to do that on my own MP.
[05:37] <wgrant> Maybe only the target's reviewers can.
[05:37] <lifeless> :(
[05:37] <lifeless> yes, I suspect so. Patch time.
[05:37] <wgrant> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/project-3.0-fixes/+merge/10225 should be declined.
[06:08] <thumper> wgrant: you can delete it
[06:09] <thumper> wgrant: we don't have a withdrawn, only rejected
[06:09] <thumper> wgrant: which you don't have rights to ...
[06:09] <thumper> hmm
[06:17] <wgrant> thumper: Deletion is wrong.
[06:27] <lifeless> wgrant: morally or functionally?
[06:56] <wgrant> lifeless: Both!
[06:58] <wgrant> It doesn't make sense, and it erases informative history of that branch.
[06:58] <lifeless> if you don't want something merged, I'm not sure that delete is /wrong/
[06:58] <lifeless> unless you need the conversation kept
[06:58] <lifeless> ?
[06:59] <wgrant> I find history deletion reprehensible.
[07:00] <lifeless> so, before you put a lot of effort in, I've already suggested a bug/patch to let you decline yourself.
[07:00] <lifeless> but that said, I think deleting things is often fine and appropriate. Its not at all the same thing as trying to remove historical records.
[07:02] <lifeless> cheap deletes makes fixing mistakes easier
[07:03] <wgrant> Indeed. But I'm not sure it's appropriate for this.
[07:03] <lifeless> are you arguing \/ merge reviews or this specific one
[08:16] <happyaron> launchpad is hating me, slower and slower
[08:50] <apparle> guys I want to build a software which is not mine  using https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA plz help
[08:52] <noodles775> apparle: which software do you want to build?
[08:53] <apparle> noodles775: http://ipmsg.org/index.html.en the GNOME2 version under UNIX
[08:57] <noodles775> apparle: have you got a debian source package to build? If not, then I'd suggest the place to start is here: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage
[08:58] <apparle> noodles775: what do you mean by debian source package.....................I only want the DEB for that software.........you only tell what to do
[08:59] <noodles775> apparle: I'm not sure I'm understanding what you want to do? If you want to build the software for debian/Ubuntu and provide it via a PPA, then I think the link I gave you is the place to start. Otherwise, I've misunderstood exactly what you want to do.
[09:07] <apparle> noodles775: I just want a deb for that software.........I don't want to distribute it.......I don't know how to build a deb..and I don't have good enough connection to download the dev libraries
[09:08] <wgrant> apparle: To produce a .deb, you need to know how to construct a Debian source package and build it.
[09:08] <wgrant> And that's not a trivial task.
[09:08] <apparle> wgrant: can you make me the DEB file..............I only want one for that software
[09:09] <wgrant> Not really, no.
[09:10] <apparle> can anyone make me a 32bit deb package
[09:10] <noodles775> apparle: OK, so you're looking for someone to provide that software. It looks quite out of date (the unix versions), I've just searched PPAs on Launchpad, and ipmsg doesn't appear in any.
[09:11] <noodles775> apparle: but is this the same application? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=823451
[09:11] <noodles775> If so, it should already be part of ubuntu (see the second post).
[09:13] <apparle> noodles775:yes its the same,but xipmsg as in the repositories is the X version without any features. The GNOME2 version has all the features.........can anyone add it to the uubntu repo
[09:15] <noodles775> apparle: I'd suggest perhaps trying to contact the maintainer of xipmsg. This really isn't the place to ask for people to package things for you.
[09:15] <apparle> Also the Gnome2 version is not that old and works fine I had compiled it earlier.........but now I don't have good net to download all the dev packages to comiple it
[09:15] <apparle> ok
[09:16] <apparle> I will check with maintainer
[09:16] <noodles775> Great.
[09:16] <apparle> but how to contact him.........
[09:17] <noodles775> apparle: if you right-click on the package in synaptic, you can view the maintainer's email.
[09:18] <apparle> noodles775: I don't have synaptic I use kubuntu
[09:19] <apparle> and I don't see it in Kpackagekit
[09:26] <noodles775> apparle: After reading up, it's probably best *not* to contact the original maintainer, as noted here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/karmic/xipmsg
[09:26] <noodles775> heh
[09:27] <wgrant> Sigh.
[10:55] <sladen> hello people.  One of my packages in Universe uses a non-standard translations format.  Being Win32 originated, it uses an [ini] style syntax with  [Component]  and then  mystring = Ooops, the world went wrong   (newline terminated)
[10:56] <sladen> ; comments   should be ignored, but preserved
[10:57] <sladen> should I bother writing an importer/exporter for LP;  or to write a .po translator, or do something else, or not bother?
[10:59] <intellectronica> sladen: it's your lucky day. danilos is the best person to ask that question
[11:00] <danilos> sladen, intellectronica: I just connected here, I'd need to see the question again :)
[11:00] <sladen> sadly it's not on the end of http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/08/17/%23launchpad.txt  yet
[11:03] <intellectronica> (10:55:45) sladen: hello people.  One of my packages in Universe uses a non-standard translations format.  Being Win32 originated, it uses an [ini] style syntax with  [Component]  and then  mystring = Ooops, the world went wrong   (newline terminated)
[11:03] <intellectronica> (10:56:08) sladen: ; comments   should be ignored, but preserved
[11:03] <intellectronica> (10:56:48) sladen: should I bother writing an importer/exporter for LP;  or to write a .po translator, or do something else, or not bother?
[11:03] <danilos> sladen: basically, it'd be fine to write an importer for Launchpad, but if it's not a format that's widely used in software, I wouldn't like to integrate it (i.e. more code to maintain for little benefits); writing a PO converter would probably work best, and you might even be able to use intltool-extract to parse those files if they are anything like .desktop files
[11:03] <danilos> intellectronica: sladen just pasted it for me privately, thanks
[11:04] <intellectronica> cool
[11:05] <sladen> danilos: when upstream add/remove a string, they paste it into all of the language config files (untranslated)
[11:06] <danilos> sladen: right, sounds like an ugly approach for them, but not our problem :) anyway, it should be simple to produce PO files out of those files, and we wouldn't have to worry about another set of bugs an importer would introduce (encodings, formatting, different formats around, etc)
[11:07] <sladen> danilos: (there isn't a "default"  and then an overlay).  So I guess I need to stuck the "original" back from en-US.cfg pre-pend that as msgid
[11:07] <sladen> I'll have a look at (extending) the Desktop file importer
[11:08] <danilos> sladen: yeah, in general though, you'd only need to worry about English base one after you've done an initial import of translations
[11:08] <danilos> sladen: note that there's no .desktop importer in Launchpad, we basically only support PO files and a limited subset of XPI files
[11:08] <sladen> danilos: and then (not having done this before) when/_how_ should I push the updates to launchpad?  Is it something I do manually, or can I include a script that launchpad runs to extract them (like dh_strip) on upload
[11:10] <Daviey> sladen: you know LP can automagically import .pot/.po files from bzr and recommit changes made through rosetta?
[11:10] <sladen> danilos: if it's not "automatic", it something I probably need to run past upstream first before it gets into a giant tizz about who has the best (FSVO best) when translations overlap
[11:11] <Daviey> They automagic level can vary by choice,to not recommit changes back - but allow downloading of a tarball for manual fun.
[11:12] <sladen> Daviey: okay, so I have a separate bzr branch with just tarballs and I thunk between that and the git for the package with some tailor fun
[11:12] <sladen> s/just tarballs/just .po mashups/
[11:14] <Daviey> sladen: yeah, a simple example of having a seperate translations branch cab be seen with byobu.. I use development focus trunk, for a project that is native to ubuntu
[11:16] <Daviey> trying to get translators is another issue :)
[11:17] <sladen> Daviey: I'm not really bothered whether they come;  there's 19 translations from upstream already, each with > 500 strings
[11:23] <Daviey> sladen: that is good, one thing i should say - there is currently a bug that LP won't daily commit translations to a branch owned by a team.. so if that is your hope, you need to own it yourself - set up the autocommit, then restore ownership to the team.
[11:26] <dpm> Daviey: on the question of getting translators, the first thing is letting them know about your app and that it is translatable. Other than blogging about it, you can also announce your app on the launchpad-translators list (or ubuntu-translators if the project is Ubuntu-specific).
[11:28] <Daviey> dpm: good thinking.. i did blog it, and that seemed to bring in some help.. but the ubuntu-translators might be a good idea.  As the project isn't yet in Ubuntu archives, it's not showing in general pool, making it somewhat hidden :(
[11:29] <Daviey> i'll try the ML, thanks
[11:29] <dpm> cool
[11:36] <Daviey> done
[13:26] <MrWizard> hi... I can't seem to create a new account for my email
[13:26] <MrWizard> when I try it says: The email address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is already registered in the Launchpad Login Service (used by the Ubuntu shop and other OpenID sites). Please use the same email and password to log into Launchpad.
[13:28] <MrWizard> but when I try to use "forgotten password", it says "Your account details have not been found. Please check your subscription email address and try again."
[14:44] <blackmoon> hi i i've make a deb package with a firmware (redistribution permitted but no source code available) for a usb wireless card, can i upload it on my ppa?
[14:45] <noodles775> blackmoon: no, it's not possible to upload binaries without source.
[14:46] <noodles775> In the not too distant future it will be possible to upload binaries for unsupported architecture where the source is already present, but that won't help you :/
[14:49] <bigjools> noodles775: I think he's asking if he can upload restricted software, in effect
[14:49] <geser> noodles775: as I understood blackmoon, he made a deb for a firmware and asks if he can upload the source package for it to PPA although he doesn't have the source for the firmware (but permission to redistribute it)
[14:49] <blackmoon> noodles775: so, i can use the kernel driver (with source code) but not the binary firmware, right? but without the firmware the wireless card doesn't work...
[14:49] <bigjools> I'm not entirely sure what our policy is on that, mrevell?
[14:50] <noodles775> Ah ok.
[14:50] <blackmoon> geser: yes, it is
[14:50] <nh2> I need some help creating PPA builds: my software compiles extra features for pulseaudio if libpulse-dev is installed (as it is locally), but it isn't installed in the LP build per default. How can I enable it?
[14:51] <bigjools> nh2: you need to add a build-dependency to your package
[14:51] <geser> nh2: add it to Build-Depends in your debian/control
[14:51] <bigjools> and it will get installed during the build
[14:52] <james_w> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/13574
[14:52] <noodles775> Nice one, thanks james_w !
[14:53] <blackmoon> thanks james_w
[14:53] <mrevell> bigjools, blackmoon: If you're not providing the source code, you can't use the PPA to store/directly distribute the binary. The alternative is to use your PPA to distribute a script that fetches and installs a binary from elsewhere
[14:54] <bigjools> mrevell: see the above question, looks like it's ok
[14:54] <bigjools> it's just firmware
[15:02] <blackmoon> i'm a little bit confused...
[15:04] <blackmoon> https://help.launchpad.net/PPATermsofUse  ref. to "DFSG Compliant" say that the source code must be included...
[15:04] <blackmoon> ..but also for firmware?
[16:42] <nh2> bigjools, geser: thanks
[16:43] <bigjools> blackmoon: I am pretty sure you're ok with the firmware if PPA follows the same ToS as Ubuntu restricted modules
[17:00] <micahg> intellectronica: why was the follow idea bad?
[17:01] <intellectronica> micahg: i don't think that it's necessarily bad, just that it's not something i think we want to do now
[17:01] <intellectronica> it will be very hard to get it right with security, for example, so it will require careful planning
[17:02] <micahg> What about project/distro admins only being allowed to follow
[17:02] <micahg> like bug control for Ubuntu
[17:02] <micahg> that should alleviate the security concerns
[17:03] <blackmoon> bigjools: so i can upload it without run the risk of breach the Term of Use of PPA?
[17:03] <intellectronica> micahg: well, you already can subscribe to bug mail for an entire project or package. that should cover that use case
[17:03] <bigjools> blackmoon: as I interpret it, yes
[17:03] <micahg> no, because you can't filter...wait...maybe you can
[17:03] <micahg> you can filter on subscriber
[17:04] <micahg> and commenter
[17:04] <blackmoon> bigjools: ok, thank you
[17:04] <bigjools> np
[17:05] <micahg> intellectronica: well, it requires getting more mail, but we can do it now...thanks
[17:05] <micahg> I'll advise the bug control team
[17:24] <kirkland> https://edge.launchpad.net/ecryptfs/ <---   (Error ID: OOPS-1325EB207)
[17:37] <kirkland> help?
[17:37] <kirkland> bigjools: around, still?
[17:38] <BjornT> sinzui: have you seen kirkland's oops above?
[17:39] <sinzui> BjornT: Yes, I fixed it Friday. I am still waiting for a reivew
[17:40] <bigjools> kirkland: yep
[17:40] <kirkland> bigjools: i'm seeing the error above, when trying to access my upstream project
[17:41] <bigjools> kirkland: see BjornT's comment just above :)
[17:41] <kirkland> bigjools: gotcha, thanks, i'll sit tight
[17:41] <bigjools> er sinzui's in fact
[17:42] <sinzui> kirkland: only the index page is broken. You can access the page on bug or a deeper page without issue
[17:43] <kirkland> sinzui: thanks, i just noticed that ;-)
[17:43] <sinzui> kirkland: I hope to land the fix for our daily rollout to edge
[17:44] <kirkland> sinzui: cool
[17:46] <bigjools> kirkland: don't forget you can disable redirection and use the main site if you need
[17:46] <kirkland> bigjools: ah, right, thanks.
[18:27] <ideamonk> anyone experienced with translation in launchpad, i need some help...
[18:27] <henninge> ideamonk: what is the problem?
[18:28] <ideamonk> well i've completed translation of gwibber into hindi
[18:28] <ideamonk> it says 1 untranslated remaining
[18:28] <ideamonk> and its linked as this - https://translations.launchpad.net/gwibber/gwibber.dev/+pots/gwibber/hi/+translate?show=untranslated
[18:28] <ondrej> hi
[18:28] <ideamonk> im unable to understand it
[18:29] <ondrej> i would like to ask how to delete a branch, that i have originally requested to have imported from cvs
[18:30] <ondrej> i have a question open to ask for that, but it seems to have died without resolution: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/79107
[18:31] <henninge> ideamonk: those are the name of previous translators and they cannot be edited. Leave it as they are.
[18:32] <ideamonk> henninge, allright ! thanks
[18:32] <ideamonk> henninge, it says http://paste.pocoo.org/show/134827/
[18:33] <ideamonk> sorrty
[18:33] <ideamonk> sorry
[18:33] <ideamonk> it says Translated so far: 99%
[18:33] <henninge> ondrej: can't you click on the trash can icon next to the branch name?
[18:33] <ideamonk> when would it be 100%
[18:34] <henninge> ideamonk: I am not sure actually
[18:34] <ideamonk> k
[18:34] <ondrej> henninge, i do not own it
[18:35] <ondrej> it belongs to the vcs import team
[18:36] <ondrej> this one: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/cp2k/trunk
[18:45] <henninge> ondrej: I just deleted it. Dunno why that got held up so long ...
[18:46] <ondrej> henninge, thanks a lot, resolved
[19:34] <mterry> Bug 414959 seems bad
[19:35] <mterry> (on edge)
[19:39] <rockstar> mterry, eep.
[19:42] <matsubara> sinzui, can you assing that one ^ to someone?
[19:42] <rockstar> matsubara, ^^  Could you investigate this?
[19:43] <rockstar> :)
[19:43] <beuno> matsubara, rockstar, sinzui has the fix alraedy
[19:43] <matsubara> rockstar, triaged, looks like a typo in the template
[19:43] <matsubara> beuno, cool
[19:43] <sinzui> matsubara: it's a dup, the fix is being playing now
[19:44] <matsubara> cool. thanks sinzui
[19:45] <thekorn_> wow, this inline bug editing is really awesome!
[19:45] <thekorn_> super cool
[19:45] <intellectronica> thekorn_: glad you like it. and there's more coming
[19:53] <thekorn_> intellectronica, yes, it is great, I was a bit sceptic about all this JS things at first, but now it turns out all this changes are helpful and make the users daily work much easier
[19:54] <thekorn_> hmm, I think I just found a bug, this inline description thing allows me to create empty diffs
[19:56] <thekorn_> click on the pencil, change nothing, click the green check -> this creates a new activity log entry
[21:26] <mkanat> gmb: Hey, I'm around if you have any questions for me.
[21:50] <gmb> mkanat: None at the moment, thanks - since you pointed out the bleeding obvious :). So far everything's working as I expected. I'll let you know if I run into anything, however.
[21:51] <mkanat> gmb: Okay, great.
[23:06] <jtatum> I've been getting a timeout on a code.launchpad.net user page all day... Known isue?
[23:06] <Ursinha> jtatum, in which page?
[23:06] <jtatum> https://code.launchpad.net/~eeejay
[23:07] <thumper> jtatum: try edge
[23:07] <jtatum> edge works
[23:07] <thumper> jtatum: it is a known issue
[23:07] <thumper> jtatum: the fix has landed
[23:07] <thumper> jtatum: but not cherrypicked to prod
[23:08] <jtatum> thumper: OK - thanks :)
[23:08] <Ursinha> omg, I love the new tabs


[13:44] <newz2000> cjohnston: are you on twitter or identica?
[13:45] <newz2000> ah, found you
[14:27] <cjohnston> uh oh
[22:08] <AlanBell> newz2000: wassup with bug 675316 then?
[22:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 675316 in ubuntu-website "Light Theme ordered & un-ordered lists not indenting (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675316
[22:09] <newz2000> AlanBell: I had to do an emergency release, your patch is going in today or tomorrow morning
[22:09] <newz2000> As well as some other packages
[22:09] <newz2000> but in the mean time, that bug is closed
[22:09] <AlanBell> ok, fair enough, emergencies happen :)
[22:10] <AlanBell> I was just a little concerned to see live getting ahead of trunk