[02:29] <vorian> er... alsa-base is borked
[02:30] <owen1_> is there a problem with xubuntu cd? i get segmentation fault when trying to burn it.
[03:17] <owen1_> i did a checksum and I tried burning with brasero and xfburn but get errors. any clue?
[03:58] <anilg> is there a command to list all the packages available? dpkg -l only lists installed packages

[03:59] <vorian> display all 36085 possibilties?
[03:59] <vorian> NO!
[04:00] <anilg> wanted something I can use in a script.. so o/p of some command would be helpful
[04:02] <anilg> one workaround is 'apt-cache search a' .. since the letter a is in all the packages or it;s description
[04:02] <Rail> apt-cache pkgnames?
[04:04] <cyphermox> search a will be missing some
[04:12] <anilg> Rail: pkgnames also shows non-existant packages, (but referred to by other packages)
[04:12] <anilg> apt-cache search ""  game me what I was looking for .. all binary packages in the repo
[04:13] <anilg> Thanks for the help
[09:01]  * calc doing another build hoping that the ooo-l10n rosetta stuff is unbroken now
[09:31] <calc> TheMuso: are you aware of the alsa-base failure to install in karmic?
[09:31] <calc> TheMuso: for 1.0.20+dfsg-1ubuntu1
[10:19]  * cjwatson looks around for an MIR reviewer
[10:21] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm not an MIR reviewer, but I play one on TV.
[10:22] <cjwatson> unionfs-fuse bug 379952 kthxbye
[10:30] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm making doko do it, since he refuses to add me to the MIR team without pitti's approval. :P
[10:30] <infinity> cjwatson: (Looks good to me, though)
[10:32] <cjwatson> infinity: heh
[10:32] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:37] <joekluse> hello?
[10:38] <joekluse> Is this a good place to ask about video drivers?
[10:38] <doko> cjwatson: infinity won't have an excuse after this session anymore
[10:39] <joaopinto> joekluse, if it's a support question, the proper channel is #ubuntu
[10:39] <joekluse> thanks
[11:21] <slangasek> hmm, why does "conffile move recipe" not give any useful google results
[11:23] <infinity> slangasek: Result 1 of 1: steal from another package.
[11:24] <slangasek> infinity: which package? :)
[11:24] <infinity> slangasek: initramfs-tools might be okay.
[11:25] <infinity> slangasek: (Moved stuff from /etc/mkinitramfs to /etc/initramfs-tools)
[11:25] <seb128> slangasek: http://www.dpkg.org/dpkg/ConffileHandling
[11:25] <slangasek> infinity: given that I don't see the handling being done in the preinst, I'd go with 'no'
[11:25] <infinity> slangasek: I make no guarantees that it's correct, but I don't recall any horrible critical bugs being filed.
[11:25] <slangasek> seb128: does dpkg.org exist again?
[11:25] <seb128> slangasek: works here
[11:25] <infinity> slangasek: I see mangling in the preinst...
[11:25] <slangasek> ah, cool
[11:25] <infinity> initramfs-tools.preinst:		if [ -d /etc/mkinitramfs ]; then
[11:25] <infinity>  ....
[11:26] <slangasek> infinity: mm - but no 'mv', so that's not what I would expect for a conffile handler
[11:27] <infinity> slangasek: We move the directory, rather than the file, but after verifying files and avoiding spurious conffile prompts.
[11:27] <slangasek> anyway, the dpkg.org one looks right :)
[11:27] <slangasek> also, my use case seems to pathologically not be a conffile
[11:27] <slangasek> so nevermind
[11:27] <infinity> \o/
[11:29]  * hyperair pokes dtchen
[11:29] <hyperair> dtchen: could you do something about alsa-base's preinst script?
[11:29] <hyperair> ah wait
[11:29] <hyperair> nevermind
[11:29] <hyperair> looks like it's done
[11:30]  * hyperair whacks his outdated mirror
[11:35] <TheMuso> hyperair: a fix was uploaded an hour or so ago
[11:35] <TheMuso> hyperair: ah you found it, ok then.
[11:43] <slangasek> the irda-utils maintainer scripts are sapping my will to live
[12:16] <Kano> hi, does anybody like to package httpfs to allow network booting from http server
[12:17] <Kano> i already tested it, it boots even via internet
[13:39] <directhex> sigh. okay, who do i poke to access something on the ubuntu bit of google docs?
[13:39] <directhex> if i click login, it forces<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:40] <Laney> sekkrit docs?
[13:42] <hyperair> directhex: but you're a motu, don't you have @ubuntu.com?
[13:43] <directhex> hyperair, it doesn't openid it, i don't have anything googly with @ubuntu.com
[13:44] <hyperair> launchpad?
[14:01] <thiebaude1> hi folks
[14:11] <dtchen> hyperair: should be fixed
[14:11] <hyperair> dtchen: yes, i realized.
[14:12] <hyperair> i'll just wait for the mirror here to update
[14:16] <ogra> slangasek, poke
[14:49] <directhex> hyperair, google docs does not authenticate using launchpad. it needs a google account with the appropriate email address/j #uds-desktop
[14:49] <directhex> gah
[14:49] <hyperair> heh
[16:12] <calc> doko: ping
[18:53] <pedahzur> Today, after resuming from a hibernate (Jaunty) I didn't have my usb devices. Upon plugging USB devices, syslog shows: vmap allocation failed: use vmalloc=<size> to increase size.  This is running the kernel in -proposed, 2.6.28-12-generic #43-Ubuntu.  The only bug I could find referencing that message had to do with ath5, so I take it this is not a known issue?
[18:56] <pedahzur> Found one post related to Jaunty, but not having to do with USB: http://blog.unitedheroes.net/archives/p/3588/got-my-nvidia-card-working-under-ubuntu/
[19:04] <pedahzur> bug filed
[19:28] <LordMetroid> Yes, sometimes the external USB HDD doesn't mount on startup...
[19:28] <LordMetroid> Easily fixed by cutting power to it and reinsterting it. Annoying though
[19:49] <LaserJock> is there any policy about using PPAs for -proposed testing?
[19:49] <hyperair> never heard of any such policy
[19:54] <LaserJock> hmm, I've some SRUs I'd like to push through but I'm not sure if I can get testers to use -proposed
[20:47] <tyvek> hey, i just upgraded to jaunty. i have a dm-crypt/luks drive on external media that gets prompted for unlocking at boot which is good, but i noticed that the boot console (ctrl-alt-f8) is echoing my password
[20:47] <tyvek> i've tried googling to see if this is a known bug, but i cant find anything
[20:48] <geofft> sounds tangentially related to bug #104602
[20:49] <tyvek> yeah, it's not getting saved anywhere, but it is momentarily exposed on the boot console
[20:51] <geofft> the bug basically being that something odd happens to stdin/stdout of things sufficiently early in the boot process
[20:51] <tyvek> #288408 looks similar
[20:51] <geofft> and therefor stty -echo or whatever doesn't work.
[20:51] <tyvek> is there a known workaround?
[20:53] <tyvek> or am i just going to have to mount these post-boot for a while?
[20:55] <Justin10ec> Hi there, this is the developer channel, right?
[20:56] <hyperair> for ubuntu development, yes
[20:57] <Justin10ec> Alright, I have an idea for ubuntu that may help in the development project but I first need to know something. Is there a feedback system in place for betas/alphas? If it's just on IRC and Forums, I have a great idea.
[21:00] <tyvek> geofft: thx for the help
[21:01] <Justin10ec> Well, I think a lot of Ubuntu users come from Windows, right?
[21:01] <Justin10ec> Those users, and apple users alike are used to sending support ticket type things.
[21:01] <Justin10ec> If we had an offical form for them to fill out, we may get more information. Most likey, people in general are not familiar with IRC or forums?
[21:01] <Justin10ec> If anyone likes the idea, I'd be more than excited to help with it?
[21:02] <Laney> are people coming straight from windows the best people to be running alphas and betas?
[21:03] <Justin10ec> No, and it wouldn't have to just be for the betas, just for general suggestions / questions?
[21:03] <Laney> we have lots of support avenues already
[21:03] <Laney> perhaps you would want to make a better interface to one of those?
[21:04] <Justin10ec> Could you direct me to one of these? I'd like to see what could be improved?
[21:04] <geofft> Justin10ec: there's Launchpad, and some interface for questions as opposed to bugs
[21:05] <Justin10ec> I totally forgot about Launchpad!
[21:05] <Laney> Launchpad Answers, forums, Brainstorm (for suggestions), IRC, ubuntu-users mailing list
[21:06] <Justin10ec> Other than helping with problems with software and hardware, what could I do to help Ubuntu? I'm great with software, yes, but I much rather enjoy other things like forum management or something like that.
[21:08] <Laney> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/
[21:08] <Laney> see what takes your fancy
[21:10] <Justin10ec> Documentation Team... Would this include rewritting things so that they make better since? Proofreading, grammar, spelling, etc?
[21:10] <Justin10ec> sense*
[21:10] <Laney> I guess so
[21:10] <Laney> they probably have an IRC channel
[21:10] <Pici> #ubuntu-doc
[21:12] <Justin10ec> Thanks :)
[22:14] <NCommander> calc, ping, where is this KDE4 patch for OOo
[22:14] <Riddell> NCommander: it's in the source package (which is a tar within a tar or something)
[22:14] <Riddell> NCommander: shtylman is looking at it too
[22:15] <NCommander> Ah
[22:16] <NCommander> Riddell, I'd like to do something to help improve KDE this cycle :-/
[22:17] <calc> NCommander: look in the source
[22:17] <Riddell> NCommander: he may well not succeed, it's an elite task
[22:17] <calc> NCommander: specifically under
[22:17] <Riddell> NCommander: KDM guest session patch! :)
[22:18] <calc> NCommander: ooo-build/patches/ooo300/apply (there is several KDE 4 patches in a KDE 4 target)
[22:18] <calc> NCommander: its currently not set to be used but the patches are there
[22:29] <TheMuso> dtchen: your alsa-driver changes uploaded.
[22:36] <cellofellow> quick Q, not sure if it's the right place but figured I'd try. How do I enable the Bazaar Nautilus plugin? I installed bzr-gtk and nautilus-python, but nothing.
[22:39]  * calc thinks the alsa guys broke it on purpose because karmic was too stable ;-)
[22:41] <ScottK> cellofellow: #ubuntu for support or maybe #bzr.
[22:45] <cellofellow> ScottK: yeah, just found #bzr, thanks
[22:59]  * calc hates Sun
[22:59] <calc> closed bug won't fix for conflicting shortcuts with gtk
[23:00]  * calc will be glad once OOo is wringed from their control and is taken over by sane community people
[23:03] <directhex> calc, careful, that kind of talk gets you tarred & feathered by boycottnovell
[23:03] <calc> hehe
[23:04]  * calc should keep a list of braindead bug closings for the next time Sun asks me what they should be doing to help out Ubuntu
[23:04] <calc> they basically told me to fork OOo to make it work correctly, yet also want me to run vanilla OOo in Ubuntu
[23:04] <calc> they are insane
[23:06] <directhex> evand1, non-a11y banshee widget 1 of 5 is now patched (but untested) by upstream
[23:06] <ajmitch> directhex: but boycottnovell always have responsible, accurate reporting
[23:06] <directhex> ajmitch, and soft, soft t-shirts
[23:09] <calc> my anti-redhat shirt violates the CoC so i can't wear it :\
[23:10] <ajmitch> that's hardly fun
[23:27] <evand1> directhex: AWESOME!
[23:30] <ion_> calc: :-D
[23:35] <Viper550> whoa whoa whoa...no english language support.
[23:52] <Viper550> soren, kernel mode switching


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[14:32] <jphilips> yep i reached out to my arabic contact and he did some work on default-settings
[14:32] <jphilips> bluesabre: we will need to revert changes made by 'Leonardo Muñoz' as he's been using a translator app for his submissions
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[15:58] <jphilips> bluesabre: my other 2 patches from the other day
[15:58] <jphilips> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/2
[15:58] <jphilips> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/3
[19:48] <jphilips> does anyone know a recommended guide for manual partitioning during installation
[19:49] <jphilips> found this askubuntu page but it has various people's recommendations - https://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation
[21:31] <ali1234> jphilips: i have never been able to find one
[21:31] <ali1234> the official line is "if you don't know what you want, then don't use manual partitioning"
[21:31] <ali1234> this is not really a satisfying answer when what you want is "the defaults, but with this one thing changed"
[21:33] <ali1234> and this is something i have been complaining about for 10 years
[21:35] <ali1234> one thing i did noticed recently is that when you select manual partitioning on the new style server install, it is pre-filled with what you would get when selecting automatic. at least i think it is
[21:44] <jphilips> ali1234: thanks for the info
[21:44] <jphilips> i came across a few pages on the ubuntu website
[21:45] <jphilips> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[21:45] <jphilips> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/install.en.pdf
[21:45] <jphilips> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskSpace
[21:45] <jphilips> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes
[21:45] <jphilips> just not sure which to follow or to link to
[21:46] <jphilips> was listening recently to a podcast which did the debate on the swap file vs disk and its size which also had me thinking


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[05:25] <bazhang> !trustee
[05:25] <bazhang> oops
[05:30] <bazhang> qotd: "I destroy drives with thermite"
[08:43] <bazhang> MINT!!111
[08:43] <k1l> no, lxle
[08:43] <bazhang> sounds like axle
[08:43] <k1l> lightweight is the new wallbuntu
[08:43] <bazhang> as in broken axle
[09:19] <k1l> ikonia is spamming, instaban!!!11111
[09:19] <k1l> ;p
[09:19] <ikonia> damn cat jumped up and my thumb slipped moving the laptop
[09:20] <k1l> ah yes, the "it was my cat" excuse works :)
[09:20] <ikonia> always the best
[09:20] <ikonia> it was my thumb though,
[09:21]  * Tm_T huggles ikonia
[09:21] <Tm_T> there's your punishment
[09:22] <ikonia> ha
[09:23] <k1l> :X
[10:28] <Pricey> Didn't realise you were a cat man ikonia, you've moved up in my eyes.
[10:29] <ikonia> Pricey: yes, cats cats cats
[11:06] <Tm_T> cat /dev/urandom
[11:09] <Myrtti> meaow
[13:09] <Pici> LjL: is your banforward supposed to be active still?
[13:14] <Myrtti> guise, the -offtopic banlist needs a serious cull
[13:17] <LjL> Pici: it is, it was by IP
[13:18] <LjL> Pici: and, before now, i think she had always been using the same IP (or at least the same range). now it's changed completely.
[14:10] <d4rkt1m3s> why can't I get on #ubuntu-offtopic?
[14:19] <genii> d4rkt1m3s: According to logs, because you insist on pasting dangerous commands into the channel, in addition to constantly using foul language. The ban will not be lifted any time soon.
[14:20] <d4rkt1m3s> what?
[14:20] <d4rkt1m3s> I don't remember doing that. :/
[14:22] <d4rkt1m3s> Is your blocker perhaps based on IP?
[14:23] <d4rkt1m3s> we've got a lot of idiots that go to school here.
[14:29] <d4rkt1m3s> aanyways, I'd like to have someone to talk to other than opensuse-chat which is a really dead channel.
[14:30] <genii> d4rkt1m3s: We are discussing it now. Please wait
[14:30] <d4rkt1m3s> thank you for your consideration
[14:40] <genii> d4rkt1m3s: We are giving benefit of doubt in this case, the ban has been lifted and you should now be able to enter #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:40] <LjL> d4rkt1m3s, we can't know with certainty whether it's two different people from the same IP, or the same person. even if we could, if an address causes trouble, we need to address that - which has happened with school addresses in the past. still, for now, i suppose we can lift the ban, but we can't promise it'll stay lifted if we observe further bad behavior from it
[14:41] <d4rkt1m3s> thanks for the help.
[15:17] <genii> -server seems pretty quiet today as far as helpers go :-/
[16:14] <IdleOne> Some people should not be allowed to computer
[16:16] <IdleOne> !jaunty
[16:25] <genii> IdleOne: I say we transition them over to Etch-A-Sketch and tell em they're the latest greatest tablets available
[16:25] <IdleOne> they will complain it doesn't have retina display
[16:26] <genii> Yeah, probably.
[16:39] <h00k> but great battery life.
[17:45] <ahhhhhh> Hello
[17:45] <ahhhhhh> Something happened
[17:45] <ahhhhhh> I followed the instructions in the ubuntu thing
[17:45] <ahhhhhh> and i went to the irc council
[17:45] <ahhhhhh> and no one responded
[17:46] <ahhhhhh> i idled all day
[17:46] <ahhhhhh> over a period of days
[17:47] <Myrtti> unfortunately the IRC council isn't an instantaneous cure it all
[17:47] <Myrtti> so you do have to wait, and email might be a better medium too as people are in several timezones
[17:47] <h00k> I was just about to suggest the email option as well
[17:51] <ahhhhhh> Is there a place where I can register a free e-mail account
[17:51] <ahhhhhh> I used to use Yahoo for disposable e-mails
[17:51] <ahhhhhh> but now they jewed out and require you to verify with a cell phone
[17:54] <Pici> It sounds like the Ubuntu irc channels and yourself are not a good fit.
[17:55] <ahhhhhh> Pici, why do you say that?
[17:55] <Pici> Just a gut feeling.
[17:55] <ahhhhhh> I am a good fit
[17:55] <ahhhhhh> In order to be a good fit you just need to use Ubuntu
[17:55] <ahhhhhh> and I am using Ubuntu as I type
[17:56] <ahhhhhh> send me a version request
[17:56] <LjL> oh that's really so untrue
[17:58] <ahhhhhh> LjL, How so?
[17:59] <ahhhhhh> I am not a bad fit for a channel just because certain powerful users of that channel (read: ops) choose to bully me and single me out
[18:00] <LjL> ahhhhhh, i don't know what's the background story on this, but using Ubuntu is really not a necessary *or* sufficient condition to be a good fit for our channels. on the other hand, respecting the CoC, guidelines, local channel etiquette and common sense are all things that help.
[18:02] <ahhhhhh> LjL, do you realize that one possible pronunciation of the  acronym CoC is 'Cock"?
[18:03] <LjL> do you realize one possible pronunciation of the word "kick" is "kick"?
[18:03] <ahhhhhh> sorry
[18:05] <ahhhhhh> how can I find a list of #ubuntu-* channels?
[18:06] <LjL> oh, this is not a support channel
[18:07] <Myrtti> alis is usually quite helpful
[18:07] <ahhhhhh> thanks Myrtti
[18:07] <Myrtti> !irc
[18:07] <ahhhhhh> thats the command I was looking for
[18:08] <ahhhhhh> how would I use it
[18:08] <ahhhhhh> /alis ubuntu
[18:08] <ahhhhhh> like that?
[18:08] <Myrtti> /msg alis help
[18:10] <ahhhhhh> dayum
[18:10] <ahhhhhh> there are a lot of #ubuntu-* channels
[18:30] <IdleOne> We done here?
[18:31] <ahhhhhh> It ain't ovah until it's ovah
[18:31] <ahhhhhh> yolo
[18:31] <IdleOne> well, you have had your 15 minutes, time for you to go now.
[18:35] <ahhhhhh> wait
[18:36] <ahhhhhh> there was one more thing
[18:36] <ahhhhhh> I'll come back when my memory comes back to me
[19:10] <bazhang>  Hundred is now known as FukUmist
[19:11] <Pici> no surprise there
[19:11] <bazhang> starting to troll multiple channels, including #ubuntu network-wide
[19:21] <k1l_> what is the right channel for that? <afigueiras> hi, can someone explain to me how can I get a locoteam approved?
[19:21] <LjL> there is an #ubuntu-locoteams
[19:23] <k1l_> thanks
[19:35]  * IdleOne hits the Fix Everything Easy button
[19:35] <IdleOne> There, all is good in the world.
[19:36] <genii> http://globalmoxie.com/bm~pix/easy-button~s800x800.jpg
[19:37] <genii> I have one of these, from Staples :)
[19:37] <IdleOne> heh
[19:39] <IdleOne> I'm going to get a seeing eye dog for #ubuntu
[19:39] <IdleOne> or whatever they are called
[19:40] <genii> Ah, yes. vershan and abuhafs. Blind leading the blind.
[19:42] <IdleOne> he could have been back by now thanking me for the awesome help.
[19:53] <IdleOne> genii: I am eating a smoked meat sandwich with lots-o-mustard
[19:54] <genii> IdleOne: Beats the tasteless but healthy mush I was forced to eat for lunch
[19:54] <IdleOne> what is the point of eating healthy if you don't enjoy it
[19:55] <bazhang> longer life
[19:55] <IdleOne> you mean more time to not enjoy your food
[19:56] <k1l_> long joyless life
[19:56]  * k1l_ had a burger with guacamole and pommes frittes for dinner
[19:56] <genii> Hopefully it will only be a few days, week most, then I too can get back to actual tasty and sinful eating.
[19:57] <genii> Right now need this other crap to help my ulcer heal
[19:58] <genii> Fortified oatmeal, beasically.
[19:58] <genii> *basically


[01:23] <darkxst> bdmurray, I can take a look now, or are you already on it?
[01:40] <bdmurray> darkxst: I've uploaded a fix now.
[02:06] <darkxst> bdmurray, ok thanks
[10:00] <alexlist> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid3/+bug/1571166
[10:05] <infinity> alexlist: That's not the version in 16.04, so a curious report already. :P
[10:05] <infinity> alexlist: Can you attach the apt term log from the upgrade?
[10:55] <alexlist> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid3/+bug/1571174
[11:01] <infinity> alexlist: Can you try upgrading ufw first, on a hunch?
[11:02] <infinity> alexlist: I might need to do some fiddling to force upgrade order there.
[11:03] <alexlist> infinity: you mean manually installing the xenial ufw on a wily box? Sure, can try...
[11:13] <xpheres> hello, I'm trying to create a scope from ubuntu sdk, however there are no virtual device to do it and I can not add an armdevice to qt
[11:13] <xpheres> anyone knows why this happens?
[13:24] <ogra_> hmm, vlc upnp support seems broken in xenial
[13:39] <r1nuz> Question, i'm trying to read eglibc code. If I get it using apt-get source eglibc it will be automatically patched to the way it's used in ubuntu, correct?
[13:40] <r1nuz> Also, if I wanted to find what build configuration is used in the actual distributed version, where could I find that?
[14:41] <alexlist> infinity: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15873401/ -> started ubuntu 15.10 in privileged docker container, installed squid-deb-proxy and ufw, installed ubuntu-release-upgrader-core, installed xenial ufw, ran release upgrade without issues. Will amend bug report.
[14:42]  * ogra_ files bug 1571199
[14:54] <xpheres>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Starting /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-app-launcher... Setting import path to:   [0416/165255:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_client.cc(126)] Check failed: IsFileSystemAccessDenied().
[14:54] <xpheres> why?
[16:08] <tumbleweed> r1nuz: yes. The build configuration is what you see in the package
[16:09] <r1nuz> tumbleweed: thanks, so when i run make without ./configure first it should build the way it's distributed?
[16:09] <r1nuz> because when i try, i get:
[16:09] <r1nuz> $ make
[16:09] <r1nuz> Makeconfig:42: *** missing separator.  Stop.
[16:09] <tumbleweed> r1nuz: when you run dpkg-buildpackage -B
[16:09] <tumbleweed> (on the same ubuntu release)
[16:11] <r1nuz> tumbleweed: awesome, thanks :)
[16:11] <r1nuz> will that also create the proper Makefile btw?
[16:11] <r1nuz> guess i should read the dpkg manpage
[16:12] <r1nuz> (what i secretly really want is the appropriate Makefile config so that i can use unifdef to make the libc sources more readable but consistent with my distro)
[16:14] <tumbleweed> I have no experience in the eglibc package, but I'd expect it to be a little complex and weird
[16:14] <cjwatson> r1nuz: debian/rules is the entry point for the packaged build system.  And what tumbleweed says
[16:14] <r1nuz> tumbleweed cjwatson thanks
[16:14] <r1nuz> looks like dpkg-buildflags might be what i want
[16:14] <cjwatson> no
[16:14] <cjwatson> what I said is what you want
[16:14] <cjwatson> dpkg-buildflags is a small piece
[16:15] <cjwatson> that's generic distribution-wide flags basically, not package-specific changes, of which I'm sure glibc has many
[16:15] <cjwatson> if you want to understand an Ubuntu (or Debian) source package, start with debian/rules
[16:15] <r1nuz> oh debian/rules file, i see
[16:15] <r1nuz> thanks
[16:16] <r1nuz> appreciate it
[16:16] <cjwatson> you'll have to chase up a lot of references from there
[16:16] <r1nuz> ah well, i enjoy a good rabbithole :)
[16:16] <cjwatson> but normally at least the set of configure flags and such is in there
[16:16] <cjwatson> (I think in glibc's case it may actually be in an included makefile under debian/rules ...)
[16:16] <tumbleweed> the best might be to build it and read the build log (or just read the log for the most recent ubuntu build)
[16:17] <r1nuz> where could i find that latter log? for the most recent build?
[16:18] <tumbleweed> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc
[16:18] <r1nuz> thanks
[16:18] <tumbleweed> follow the links through to a version, and then an architecture
[16:19] <cjwatson> and note that Ubuntu switched back to glibc after 14.04, so if you're based on anything newer than that then you want https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc instead
[16:21] <r1nuz> ah good to know, still on 14.04 for this machine
[17:50] <ShalokShalom_> hi there :)
[17:51] <ShalokShalom_> is it true, that snappy is something like the Google Play Store?
[17:51] <ShalokShalom_> no mirrors anymore?
[17:51] <ShalokShalom_> no forks?
[17:53] <teward> ShalokShalom: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/#tour <-- start here?
[17:54] <teward> !crosspost | ShalokShalom
[17:54] <ShalokShalom> i post in each related room
[17:54] <ShalokShalom> some people are just in one room and i aim to reach them as well
[17:54] <teward> it's better to pick one room, ask, and if nobody answers in 15 minutes, try another one.
[17:55] <teward> rather than just post in every room at once
[17:57] <ShalokShalom> teward: why do you link me a post, which doesnt answer my questions?
[17:57] <ShalokShalom> this page shows only the pros
[21:55] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[21:57] <Umeaboy> I keep forgetting the answer, the installer terminal output can be translated WHERE?
[21:57] <Umeaboy> The terminal like window that appears when you click the arrow when the installation starts.
[21:58] <Umeaboy> I hope someone knows what I mean.
[21:58] <Umeaboy> I want to translate it more.
[21:58] <Umeaboy> I searched for bash, but that seems to be fully translated now.
[21:59] <Umeaboy> Should I check with ubiquity?
[22:19] <infinity> Umeaboy: That output is intentionally not translated so that bug reports are readable by the developers.
[22:23] <Umeaboy> OK.
[22:23] <Umeaboy> infinity: What about when you install updates in the terminal window then?
[23:14] <cyphermox> Umeaboy: it can't be translated anywhere special, that's just the output from whatever gets run as part of the install, mostly debug information for the developers as infinity pointed out
[23:14] <cyphermox> you'll see some pieces *are* translated, those are the ones that would be translated on the installed system, from commands an user would run and care about
[23:14] <cyphermox> ie. "Installing $package" or "Preparing to unpack $package"
[23:15] <cyphermox> we translate the "high level" messages that show just above the terminal window so users still know what is happening
[23:17] <Umeaboy> OK.
[23:31] <Umeaboy> cyphermox: What parts of Ubuntu are need to be more translated? I wish launchpad only would show me the stuff that needs to be translated and hide thoose that are finished.
[23:32] <Umeaboy> It currently can't.
[23:32] <Umeaboy> At least I haven't found a way to do so.
[23:33] <cyphermox> I don't know off hand. You would have to look at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ which will display the languages your launchpad page says you know, and then click on a langauge, that will show all the different bits and pieces
[23:33] <cyphermox> from there you dig in in the fourth column which is "untranslated", sometimes there are numbers there
[23:33] <cyphermox> for example, if you scroll to the bottom of https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+lang/es
[23:34] <cyphermox> there are four untranslated strings for gnome-software and also four for nm-applet
[23:36] <cyphermox> we're past the translation deadlines though, so your work may only go in later
[23:58] <Umeaboy> cyphermox: OK so Xenial is about to be released now?
[23:59] <dax> thursday


[01:17] <bluesabre> Added some comparison screenshots for Snap Store: https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-development/issues/17#issuecomment-1888236751
[01:17] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Issue 17 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-development "Consider replacing GNOME Software with Flutter-based Snap Store" [Open]
[02:01] <JackFrost> bluesabre: My general input: I much prefer something that isn't NIH, you know?  I also don't use software stores soo...not really my area.  That being said you called it quicker and more functional, and the GNOME one will no longer be specifically maintained in Ubuntu soo..


[04:03] <tritium> Good evening.
[04:04] <nick125> So this is odd. Gnome keeps losing various applets on my panels..this time, it lost the window list, system tray and the power options menu.
[04:05] <tritium> Hi, nick125.
[04:05] <nick125> Hey tritium.
[04:05] <tritium> How have you been?
[04:06] <nick125> Not too bad. Recovering from first quarter of classes.
[04:07] <tritium> Are you back home for Thanksgiving?
[04:09] <nick125> I'm staying with my roommate. It's too expensive to fly around the holidays.
[04:09] <tritium> It sure is.
[04:13] <tritium> Well, just wanted to say hi.  Have a good night.
[04:13] <nick125> I think it would've cost ~$500 for me to fly home.
[04:13] <nick125> tritium: Night! Nice talking to you :)
[04:14] <tritium> Yeah, that's a bit much.  Hope you're doing well!  Nice talking to you too!
[19:02] <adcoma> hi!
[19:03] <adcoma> i have a problem with d510mo...  with r8111dl network card, driver 8169.
[19:03] <adcoma>  on occasion it works and sometimes not
[19:03] <adcoma> http://amk1.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/realtek-8168-module-issue , This not work for me
[19:03] <adcoma> help me pleaseeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
[19:10] <mneptok> adcoma: did you follow the instructions on downloading, compiling and inserting the correct kernel module, and blacklisting the incorrect module?
[19:10] <adcoma> yes!!!!
[19:12] <mneptok> does lsmod show the correct module loaded?
[19:14] <adcoma> yes! but not work!
[21:43] <nick125> Hmm..so it seems that every time I load Gnome, more and more applets are gone..
[21:44]  * mneptok whispers "It's GNOME. All caps."
[21:44] <mneptok> :)
[21:47] <nick125> heh
[21:48] <nick125> I'm afraid if I restart it again, the panel is just going to disappear :P
[22:06] <nick125> I really wish there was a viable alternative to GNOME. KDE is just..I mean, they have some interesting ideas, but the polish from the distros just isn't there, LXDE is starting to get some attention, but at the moment, it seems to be a hodgepodge of different components, XFCE is nearly as bloated as GNOME without the features..
[22:23] <mneptok> OpenBox
[22:24] <nick125> That would require me to be not-as-lazy.
[22:25] <mneptok> then your complaint is not really with window managers or desktop environments, but rather with your own sloth. ;)
[22:25] <nick125> I want things to just work.
[22:25] <mneptok> without you having to expend effort?
[22:26] <mneptok> i'm guessing you've never had a long-term girlfriend. because that would disabuse you of that idea quickly. ;)
[22:26] <nick125> It's not that I don't mind expending effort..
[22:27] <mneptok> right. it's that you *do* mind expending effort. ;)
[22:27] <nick125> Bah.
[22:27]  * mneptok polishes his halo
[22:27] <mneptok> :)


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[02:23] <insanity_muffin> toki a
[02:24] <insanity_muffin> mi jan Mosi. jan pi ma ni li toki ala toki toki pona?
[02:27] <insanity_muffin> sorry, just being a little silly. i hardly ever get onto IRC anymore!
[02:30] <pi___> anyone here?
[02:42] <insanity_muffin> me but i'm entirely unhelpful
[02:45] <guiverc> If you have a Lubuntu support question, please just ask it (try and keep details to a single line & be patient; please respond as they're able to)
[03:07] <pi___> Excuse me, I installed lxqt on my arm computer. I just tested whether the IRC application works normally. Have a nice day!


[01:57] <broder> micahg: as i've said at the TB meetings, i don't think anybody understands how the backports pocket works right now. but i'm pretty sure i've seen uploads from either me or Laney for main packages
[01:57] <broder> but i didn't think it was connected to upload rights to the release pocket
[13:40] <jtaylor> what is the backport-package versioning going to do when the release names go beyond z?
[13:45] <geser> jtaylor: I assume it's not decided yet what happens to the versioning scheme to assure the monotic increase of version numbers
[13:45] <mdeslaur> jtaylor: use release numbers instead of release names?
[13:47] <jtaylor> so it wil probably change before r to get something like r14.04?
[13:48] <geser> mdeslaur: don't numbers sort before letters?
[13:49] <mdeslaur> geser: what's the versioning scheme for backports now?
[13:49] <geser> jtaylor: or perhaps for "u" (u14.04)
[13:49] <jtaylor> mdeslaur ~releasename#
[13:50] <mdeslaur> so just eventually switch to ~10.04.1 or something
[13:51] <mdeslaur> oh, I see the issue, if you already have some with names
[13:51] <geser> dpkg --compare-versions 1~precise1 gt 1~12.04.1 && echo yes => yes
[13:52] <mdeslaur> yes, you'll need to use versions instead of names for all releases, without mixing them
[13:52] <geser> perhaps we switch to unicode release names after "z" :)
[13:53] <mdeslaur> you're assuming release names will continue alphabetically...honestly, I don't think that's set in stone
[13:54] <mdeslaur> maybe versions numbers should be used soon
[13:54] <jtaylor> might be a good idea
[13:55] <jtaylor> as long as we still have letters left with which we can prefix the number to be compatible with the old scheme
[13:55] <mdeslaur> you don't need to be compatible with the old scheme, the next release's version is always higher
[13:55] <geser> jtaylor: it's only a problem if there are existing backports with the same upstream version
[13:56] <mdeslaur> jtaylor: do you have an example of a source package that would be problematic now?
[13:56] <jtaylor> no, but I assume it could happen
[13:57] <mdeslaur> it could, would probably just be a couple of exceptions
[13:57] <mdeslaur> so a few get named ~z12.04.1
[13:57] <mdeslaur> meh
[13:59] <geser> I'm still thinking in which case one might need that (assuming nobody uses the version name instead of the release number by mistake)
[15:31] <l3on> Hi guys... how can I know the reason due a packages is no more in Ubuntu ?
[15:32] <l3on> for example, last build of root-system is for maverick...
[15:32] <and`> l3on: check for it on Debian and look around for an RM bug, packages dropped in Debian are automatically dropped in Ubuntu as well
[15:33] <jtaylor> root-system may be added again at some point
[15:33] <jtaylor> I think last time it was removed due to lack of a maintainer
[15:33] <l3on> thanks and` :)
[15:33] <and`> l3on: yw :) as a reference http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/r/root-system/root-system_5.18.00-2.3~lenny1/changelog
[15:34] <jtaylor> its not hard to build it yourself though
[15:34] <and`> l3on: last upload dated 2009 :)
[15:34] <and`> l3on: and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610011
[15:35] <jtaylor> on oneiric you need to use trunk or build without as-needed
[15:35] <jtaylor> 5.30 does not work with as-needed
[15:35] <l3on> mmm well.. it could be nice find out a new maintainer :D
[15:36] <l3on> I'll try to pack it for debian, we'll see...
[15:36] <jtaylor> it sort of has
[15:36] <jtaylor> packaging root is no easy task
[15:36] <jtaylor> its a huge framework
[20:52] <l3on> Hi all.. someone aroud?
[20:52] <l3on> I'm trying to merge forked-daapd
[20:52] <l3on> but I've some problem during configure:
[20:52] <l3on> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find crt1.o: No such file or directory
[20:52] <l3on> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find crti.o: No such file or directory
[20:52] <l3on> clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)
[20:53] <l3on> build log is here: http://debomatic.debian.net/precise/pool/forked-daapd_0.19gcd-2ubuntu1/forked-daapd_0.19gcd-2ubuntu1.buildlog
[20:53] <l3on> On 11.10 "make -f debian/rules build" does not fail at that step...
[21:00] <Ampelbein> l3on: Yes, that's bug 792146
[21:01] <l3on> Ampelbein, but in 11.10 configure works fine :/
[21:02] <l3on> the problem is in precise
[21:02] <Ampelbein> l3on: Yes, because precise wasn't added yet as a ubuntu distro.
[21:02] <l3on> Ampelbein, and so... what have I to do ? :)
[21:02] <Ampelbein> l3on: (In clang's ToolChains.cpp)
[21:04] <Ampelbein> l3on: You'd have to add precise in clang-2.9/tools/clang/lib/Driver/ToolChains.cpp in clang.
[21:05] <l3on> ah ok, Ampelbein I'll do it :)
[21:06] <l3on> Ampelbein, in this case I've to send patch at debian, right?
[21:07] <Ampelbein> l3on: Ideally, yes. But Ubuntu works well, too.
[21:14] <l3on> Ampelbein, one question about clang... but no-supported ubuntu releases can be removed ?
[21:15] <Ampelbein> l3on: They could be removed, yes.
[21:17] <l3on> Ampelbein, should I add ubuntu+1 too ?
[21:19] <l3on> mmm... does Ubuntu (Q) have a name? :P
[21:19] <broder> l3on: not yet. n+1 is not generally announced until just before n releases
[21:20] <l3on> ah ok :)
[23:56] <broder> l3on: did you ever put a patch for clang together? i'd be happy to upload it
[23:56] <l3on> broder, I did
[23:57] <l3on> bug 896695
[23:58] <broder> l3on: ok. i think i'm going to dupe that bug to bug #792146, tweak the changelog, double-check the patch, and upload. sound good?
[23:59] <l3on> broder, ok :)


[00:00] <BobJonkman1> Yes, sadly I will be returning to regular hours in April.  So someone will have to take over...
[00:00] <dscassel> BobJonkman1: There's always the monthly Waterloo hour. :)
[00:00] <BobJonkman1> Hurray!
[00:01] <dscassel> Whelp, it's 8.  if anybody needs help getting LoCo directory events set up or getting access to the website (maybe), we'll be online for a bit.
[00:02] <dscassel> Ask away.
[00:03] <komputes> If anyone here is testing Natty and has bugs they would like to discuss, feel free to send Bug URLs my way on a private message.
[00:03] <txwikinger> next meeting will be sometime before the release parties maybe about 10-14 days before that
[00:04] <staticsafe> heh, can't wait till Natty comes out.
[00:05] <dscassel> Thanks, komputes.
[00:05] <dscassel> I'll be upgrading my netbook in the next couple days.
[00:05]  * txwikinger has already one natty server running
[00:05] <komputes> staticsafe: Remember Beta is March 31st
[00:05] <dscassel> (I can live without it if it falls over. :)
[00:06] <staticsafe> I wanna give Ubuntu another go on my Macbook Pro
[00:06] <staticsafe> so I'm waiting till Natty
[00:06] <komputes> staticsafe: MBP 7,1 ?
[00:06] <staticsafe> komputes: 5,5
[00:06] <staticsafe> late 2009 model
[00:07] <staticsafe> i have installed lucid and maverick on it before, just waiting till natty comes out to install Ubuntu on it
[00:07] <komputes> staticsafe: oh. have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Maverick and write up diffs for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Natty if you can.
[00:08] <staticsafe> will do
[00:08] <komputes> staticsafe: feel free to ping me if you need help
[00:09] <staticsafe> cool
[00:13] <BobJonkman1> Things have gone quiet.  Is the meeting over?
[00:13] <dscassel> BobJonkman1: Yup.  but people are still around.
[00:15] <BobJonkman1> OK...  Among other laptop miseries, yesterday I tried out "indicator-network" as recommened by http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/indicator-network-is-looking-good-in-natty/
[00:15] <BobJonkman1> It's not as slick in Meekrat as it will be in Narwhal, so I removed it.
[00:16] <BobJonkman1> But now my Bluetooth is missing; and I miss my BT Mouse.
[00:17] <BobJonkman1> Any hints on how to restore BT?  The "System, Preferences, Bluetooth" tool doesn't show any Bluetooth devices on my laptop.
[00:19] <BobJonkman1> The "System, Preferences, Bluetooth Manager" tool shows previously used BT devices, but gives the error message "Connection Failed: Host is down (112)"
[00:21] <BobJonkman1> O HO!  Just went through the setup and pairing process again, and now my BT Mouse is restored.
[01:33] <dscassel> Bluetooth mice always seem to get shafted.
[02:26] <Amgine> argh. I was out having dinner and missed the meting.
[02:35] <willwh> << me too
[02:35] <willwh> I just got back in the door :(
[02:38] <dscassel> Amgine, willwh anything you want to add?  :)
[02:38] <Amgine> Unfortunately I'm being pinged to death and haven't had a chance to read the backscroll... but likely not.
[02:39] <willwh> dscassel: nor me likely, actually not running ubuntu on any of my boxes
[02:39] <willwh> all servers are debian squeeze now :o
[02:39] <willwh> laptop is running arch
[02:39] <dscassel> *shrug*, we've got a few Debian people in our Ubuntu Waterloo group.
[02:39] <willwh> yah :]
[02:39] <dscassel> I'm not offended. :)
[02:39] <willwh> s'why I'm still ere
[02:40] <willwh> just likely don't have too much to contrib tonight
[02:40] <willwh> anyone here use drupal?
[02:40] <willwh> I am looking for some tips on my debugging environment
[02:40] <willwh> trying to learn php
[02:40] <dscassel> txwikinger is a drupal guy.  BobJonkman1 does some as well.
[02:40] <dscassel> (I try not to touch it. :)
[02:41] <Amgine> <mediawiki person>
[02:43] <dscassel> willwh: Are you trying to debug a module? Or Drupal itself?
[02:43] <willwh> a module :]
[02:43] <dscassel> (not that I have too many suggestions...)
[02:44] <willwh> yeah - well - I have my lamp box under teh floor (server)
[02:44] <willwh> so have xdebug, eclipse etc
[02:44] <willwh> and - I guess this module is in a state of flux
[02:46] <Amgine> I know a wonderful drupal person, but I don't think she's cheap.
[02:48] <Amgine> https://identi.ca/notice/67070502 <- Majnoona is Evan's SO, http://www.majink.org
[09:04] <whoaski> can anybody help me w/ my server?
[09:07] <whoaski> i just installed ubuntu 10.10 server on a computer with apache2,mysql, and rails
[09:08] <whoaski> but I don't know how to configure it from the command line
[09:08] <whoaski> anybody know any resources or links to learn the command line for ubuntu?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:24]  * genii-around makes coffee
[14:33] <dscassel> Morning, BluesKaj, genii-around
[14:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning , genii-around, dscassel
[14:34]  * genii-around passes around the breakfast bagels
[14:52] <wmat> morning
[14:52]  * BluesKaj watches the snow melt....kinda boring
[14:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning, wmat
[15:13]  * BluesKaj wonders what going on with this german guy sipherdee, joining and flooding
[15:38] <cyphermox> BluesKaj, I think sipherdee actually isn't there but his bouncer has issues
[15:40] <BluesKaj> cyphermox, right , he's probly got an malfunctioning autojoin in his irc client
[15:40] <dscassel> I ignore joins parts and quits.  That's probably why I'm not seeing any shenanigans.
[15:41] <dscassel> If it's a problem, I can see if I can do something about it.
[15:41] <cyphermox> dscassel, wise move
[15:41] <dscassel> But I'm pretty ignorant about IRC stuff, still
[15:42] <cyphermox> dscassel, dunno. I banned him on #ubuntu-qc after sending him a memo to tell him to ping me when his stuff is fixed today, and I'll clean up the ban later regardless
[15:42] <cyphermox> it's not overly disruptive anyway
[15:44]  * BluesKaj prefers to see who joins and quits , guess it's just my curious nature
[15:44] <dscassel> It's kind of annoying when someone you go to talk to has already left and you don't know about it.
[15:45] <dscassel> But otherwise, it's just too much noise.
[15:46] <dscassel> I kinda wish sometimes I had one of those new-fangled "GUI" IRC clients that just showed you who was there.
[15:47] <dscassel> But I <3 screen + irssi.  I could never leave it.
[16:16] <komputes> dscassel: hey there
[16:20] <cyphermox> dscassel, gotta agree there that irssi + screen is great, but I find it falls apart when you follow more than about 10 channels
[16:21] <willwh> cyphermox: really? I'm in 27 across 3 servers
[16:22] <willwh> and it's just fine here :]
[16:22] <willwh> I guess depends on how you display channels etc
[16:24] <wmat> cyphermox: falls apart how?  Similar to willwh, I'm in 18 channels across 4 servers and love irssi + screen.
[16:25] <willwh> http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi <- this puppy gets so much traction
[16:25] <willwh> it really is a nice way to set it all up though :]
[16:26] <cyphermox> really, then my setup must be crap
[16:26] <willwh> I'd say so :)
[16:26] <willwh> without seeing it
[16:26] <willwh> one sec I'll show you a screenshot of mine
[16:27] <cyphermox> heh, looks like the guide pretty much already lists what I had set up
[16:28] <willwh> ah
[16:28] <cyphermox> maybe I'm just lazy, I like the 0-9 shortcuts but at some point you got too many channels for that no?
[16:28] <willwh> yeah it goes onward to letters
[16:29] <wmat> cyphermox: 11->19 == q->o
[16:29] <willwh> 20+ = a bit craxzy
[16:29] <willwh> enough ways to window switch though
[16:29] <willwh> and split windows / etc
[16:29] <willwh> argh phone
[16:30] <cyphermox> willwh, yeah, I got the 11-19, but I have more windows open when you count the 4 networks and some 30 channels :/
[16:30] <cyphermox> but I get what you mean, the names can be typed too
[16:31] <cyphermox> the annoying thing with xchat and all is that you can't stay connected ^.^
[16:33] <willwh> yeah
[16:33] <willwh> well
[16:33] <willwh> you should check out quassel then :]
[16:33] <willwh> it's like screen & irssi functionality
[16:34] <willwh> with an xchat style QT interface
[16:34] <willwh> i.e. server / client
[16:34] <willwh> I used it for a while
[16:34] <willwh> but I <3 irssi too much
[16:40] <genii-around> the quassel package with current Natty crashes on me too much. I had to pull don the git version. But that seems to be stable for now.
[16:44] <genii-around> Weird. So that one just crashed on me now after not misbehaving for 4-5 days
[16:44] <BluesKaj> konversation is stable as a rock on natty
[16:45] <genii-around> Cool.
[16:50] <willwh> < gnome user :)
[16:50] <willwh> on the laptop anyway
[16:50] <willwh> my desktop rig is running (gasp!) Windows 7
[16:51] <BluesKaj> rig ? , must be an audio geek too, willwh
[16:52] <willwh> nae, just heard the term a lot
[16:52] <willwh> and it works :>
[16:53] <BluesKaj> well, for audio I aleays thought it was a silly word ,made it sound industrial. like firing up my krell amp ...exaggerating the power and size of the system
[16:54] <BluesKaj> audio geek BS in other words :)
[17:22]  * dscassel is back from lunch.
[17:22] <staticsafe> wb dscassel
[17:22] <dscassel> Hey, komputes
[17:22] <staticsafe> Irssi 0.8.14 (20090728) - http://irssi.org/
[17:22] <staticsafe> hmm
[17:22] <komputes> Hey dscassel , just read your response to the Unity thread.
[17:23] <komputes> dscassel: I was just wondering, where did you see that Xubuntu was an officially supported derivative?
[17:23] <staticsafe> dscassel: got some responses from TLUG about the Ubuntu Hour
[17:25] <dscassel> komputes: Isn't it one of the official *buntus?
[17:25] <dscassel> Looking...
[17:25] <dscassel> staticsafe: Anything positive? :)
[17:25] <dscassel> I could be wrong.  It happens sometimes...
[17:26] <staticsafe> dscassel: a guys named Sammy said he has been talking to you
[17:26] <dscassel> ...Sammy...
[17:26] <dscassel> Oh yeah, the Free Geek Toronto guy!
[17:26] <dscassel> Yeah, cool.
[17:27] <komputes> dscassel: I believe that other than Ubuntu, derivatives are community-supported. I was just wondering if what you mentioned is published anywhere.
[17:27] <komputes> if not, thats ok
[17:28] <dscassel> The last Ubuntu-uk podcast had the list of official *buntus as a trivia question...
[17:29] <dscassel> Of course, the distinction between "official" and "supported" is probably more important and better understood by the people actually providing said support.. :)
[17:38] <genii-around> Weird. I was just over at FreeGeek on Sunday working on a small clustering project.
[17:39] <staticsafe> damn, the FreeGeek place seems to be a little far from here in Scarborough
[17:39] <genii-around> staticsafe: Yeah it's near Dundas and Steeles
[18:56] <cyphermox> komputes, you're kind of right but at the same time Xubuntu and Kubuntu are special (like ubuntustudio, ubuntu-server, mythbuntu...), in the way that they have official daily builds, and milestone testing... whereas other spins do not (e.g. lubuntu doesn't have dailies yet, gobuntu no longer does...)
[18:56] <cyphermox> ^ and they all have the same plumbing layer, or almost the same, which means the core OS is supported, even if part of the UI isn't
[19:11] <komputes> cyphermox: good point, I could see how dailies would make people perceive that they are fully supported
[19:15] <cyphermox> furthermore, I'm under the impression that most of these things are under main
[19:15] <cyphermox> what's in main is Canonical supported, no?
[19:16] <cyphermox> I know edubuntu is a special case because it does not, but xubuntu would mostly like in main, I think
[19:16] <cyphermox> and I find myself being totally wrong
[19:18] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/581262/ -- thunar, the default file manager in xubuntu, is in universe. so is xubuntu-default-settings
[19:20] <genii-around> Hm. I wonder if I can scoop the decorative penguin here at work without someone noticing
[19:32] <willwh> genii-around: pixx pls
[19:33] <genii-around> I'll have to use my laptop cam, the phone one is busted
[19:48] <genii-around> willwh: http://imagebin.org/143402
[19:49] <hypatia> that is a serious penguin
[19:50] <genii-around> Hehe, yes
[19:50] <dscassel> cyphermox, komputes: is ubuntu-qc doing anything for global jam?
[19:51] <genii-around> hypatia: There are some others around, but not with feathers like this one. They use em here for Christmas decorations
[19:52] <komputes> dscassel: we discussed it and it will probably take place at SupInfo, a private tech school near McGill
[19:53] <willwh> uhhh
[19:53] <willwh> genii-around: haha - I am not quite sure what to say
[19:53] <willwh> I love penguins, don't get me wrong
[19:53] <willwh> but that one, is a little creepy :)
[19:54] <willwh> creepy, yet, the more I look at it, the more awesome it is
[19:54] <willwh> haha :)
[19:54] <genii-around> Hangon. I'll get the two other "cute" ones :)
[19:57] <cyphermox> dscassel, yup, just waiting for the confirmation from the supinfo people that we're okay for the rooms, and I'll announce it
[19:57] <cyphermox> this time I haven't made a call for people who were interested in helping organize this because I don't have time :/
[19:58] <cyphermox> but hopefully we'll have enough interest for some good bug finding -> bug fixing -> upload process going on
[19:59] <genii-around> OK, got em. http://imagebin.org/143405  and http://imagebin.org/143407
[20:00] <genii-around> They're pretty dusty from being down here in the basement :(
[20:10] <genii-around> willwh: I do like the feathery one best
[20:12] <dscassel> cyphermox: Cool, drop a note here when you make the announcment.
[20:12] <dscassel> I want to get something up on the ubuntu-ca.org site about it soon.
[20:15] <cyphermox> dscassel, yup, good plan. I'd probably need to fetch whomever updates the ubuntu-qc.org site too ;)
[23:01] <capmtripps> hey all
[23:02] <staticsafe> hey capmtripps
[23:12] <capmtripps> so, whats new with ubuntu?
[23:12] <capmtripps> i got 10.10 and didnt really find much difference with 10.04 (my first intall


[21:17] <lfaraone> I currently have an Ubuntu IRC cloak. I recently became a Debian developer, and am also a MOTU. If I were to also talk to the Debian Freenode Group Contact, could I have a cloak "debian+ubuntu/developer/lfaraone"?
[21:27] <rww> lfaraone: 1) ubuntu only does ubuntu/member cloaks, there aren't separate ubuntu/developer ones. 2) cloaks are combined like this: cloak1a/cloak1b/cloak2a.cloak2b.accountname
[21:28] <maco> so ubuntu/debian/member.developer.lfaraone ?
[21:28] <rww> no, the other way :(
[21:28] <rww> ubuntu/member/freenode.staff.nhandlr, for example :)
[21:28] <maco> ubuntu/member/debian.developer.lfaraone?
[21:30] <lfaraone> maco: looks good to me :)
[21:31] <rww> there's also the slight issue that I've never seen anyone with a debian cloak, so iono if they even have them
[21:32] <lfaraone> rww: they do, see http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/resources.html#irc-channels
[21:33] <lfaraone> rww: should I email jorge ccing ??? asking for such a combination cloak?
[21:35] <rww> lfaraone: for the Ubuntu side of things, it'd be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and that looks like a good plan. I don't know whether the Ubuntu GCs need to ACK it, but it can't hurt
[21:37] <lfaraone> rww: do i need to be subscribed to post to that list?
[21:38] <rww> lfaraone: nope


[08:01] <valkalon> Hi guys
[08:01] <valkalon> I may have found a bug on the 'whereis' command, would like to check with you if I'm doing everything correctly
[08:01] <valkalon> is there anyone available ?
[20:51] <redwolf> hello. I have a question. how do I convert non-real bugs to questions? they're affecting some packages in my team (lubuntu artwork) and I'm not allowed
[20:54] <redwolf> thanks in advance! :)
[22:37] <teward> redwolf: there should be a "Convert to Question" button; if it's against a package and there's not, give me a ping i'll see if I can't help
[22:37] <redwolf> I see it, but when I click on it, I get this: http://pasteboard.co/1bIbfOTl.png
[22:46] <redwolf> any idea why this happens, teward?
[22:47] <teward> yeah you don't have perms probably
[22:47] <teward> redwolf: is it a bug against a package, or a project your team has governance/owner-state on?
[22:47] <redwolf> a package, lubuntu-artwork. is there any difference?
[22:48] <redwolf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1530383
[22:48] <redwolf> wxl was able to convert it to a question, what I was trying to do
[22:51]  * teward pokes wxl's profile page
[22:51] <wxl> i doubt it's limited to bug control (though i am)
[22:51] <wxl> but it may be limited to bug squad
[22:51] <wxl> since essentially it's a triage task
[22:51] <teward> wxl: bugsquad has no additional privs
[22:51] <teward> at least, last i checked
[22:52] <teward> bugcontrol has "triage" power to set to Triaged
[22:52] <redwolf> so I lack some perm
[22:52] <teward> redwolf: link to your LP?
[22:52] <redwolf> https://launchpad.net/~rafaellaguna
[22:53] <teward> the only difference between you and wxl, afaict, would be the bug control perms.
[22:53] <wxl> he's not bug squad tho is he?
[22:53] <teward> wxl: see #launchpad, i'm hoping to stab this shortly in the testing instances to see if I can actually narrow down
[22:53] <teward> but no he's not
[22:54] <redwolf> o.o
[22:54] <teward> hmm
[22:54] <teward> y'know, bdmurray may know the perms layout better than I
[22:54] <wxl> yeah well he's probably out living la vida loca, so
[22:54] <teward> heh
[22:55] <redwolf> so you think it's that, teward? I'm de-privileged?
[22:55] <teward> redwolf: unprivileged is the correct word
[22:56] <redwolf> but not so funny :|
[22:56] <teward> redwolf: it's likely a case that you're not in a group with the proper privileges to access, but I would either need to test that, or find someone who knows the perm structure in and out
[22:56] <redwolf> interesting
[22:56] <wxl> i can tell you what it's not: owner/dev access to the package
[22:56] <wxl> since he's artwork head honcho
[22:56] <redwolf> so some users simply can do that, and others don't
[22:57] <teward> wxl: i don't think it's package-level access
[22:57] <redwolf> yup, I'm "da boss" here
[22:57] <teward> i think it's a 'global bugs permissions' thing
[22:57] <redwolf> but this is some LP specific behaviour
[23:04] <teward> or, specific to Ubuntu project
[23:05] <teward> again, that's why i'm poking things :)
[23:09] <redwolf> okies
[23:09] <redwolf> I'll dig a bit more tomorrow
[23:09] <redwolf> thanks, anyway, teward
[23:11] <teward> well on the sandbox i can convert to a question as an unprivileged user; was the bug marked "Private" or something?
[23:16] <redwolf> no, a normal bug
[23:17] <redwolf> sorry, teward. bed time!
[23:17] <redwolf> o/


[00:21] <svwilliams> any help with a little programming ... issue dealing in translation to python?
[00:22] <svwilliams> wow that sounded better in my head then in text
[00:22] <svwilliams> if x is none or ( y in x and z in x):
[00:23] <svwilliams> it looks right .. sort of but I'm having trouble finding examples of compound statements in python
[00:23] <svwilliams> I may not be looking in the right way or places
[03:40] <doctormon> svwilliams: That looks right to me.
[19:42] <cjohnston> svwilliams: im lookin at your agenda logs link
[19:42] <cjohnston> im just not sure how intuitive it is
[19:42] <pleia2> cjohnston: when you guys are doing dev work for loco.ubuntu.com do you have local installs that you test fixes on?
[19:43] <cjohnston> pleia2: ya
[19:43] <svwilliams> cjohnston, yeah I think we might want to look at the entire design
[19:43] <svwilliams> because to put the full like adds clutter
[19:43] <svwilliams> but that line is already pretty long
[19:43] <cjohnston> svwilliams: im wondering about just a link that say "Log" or "IRC Log"
[19:44] <cjohnston> czajkowski: im looking
[19:44] <svwilliams> I had that at one point .. but then it was alot of text about alot of different things on one line
[19:45] <cjohnston> or just linking the agenda item to the log?
[19:45] <czajkowski> cjohnston: eh ?
[19:45] <pleia2> cjohnston: is it hard to set up, or do I just check out the code and toss it at django?
[19:46] <cjohnston> czajkowski: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/  no idea why it didnt work for you
[19:46] <cjohnston> pleia2: pretty much that
[19:46] <cjohnston> czajkowski: the very first time I tried it it worked
[19:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: ahh
[19:46] <pleia2> cjohnston: ok, thanks
[19:46] <cjohnston> czajkowski: can you see if you can edit that one please?
[19:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: has my ability to create global events been removed?
[19:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: course
[19:46] <cjohnston> shouldnt have
[19:47] <cjohnston> czajkowski: if you had access to click add global jam, you should have access to submit a global jam
[19:47] <cjohnston> the link doesnt appear if you dont have access
[19:47] <czajkowski> cjohnston: grand
[19:47] <cjohnston> czajkowski: ill double check my email to see if i got any errors
[19:48] <czajkowski> hmm lp wont let me log in now
[19:48] <cjohnston> LP or loco?
[19:48] <cjohnston> czajkowski: interesting stat: 31590 people from 24 LoCos and 16 countries are participating in this event!
[19:48] <czajkowski> right now in
[19:49] <cjohnston> ?
[19:49] <cjohnston> pleia2: are you wanting to dev?
[19:49] <czajkowski> logged in but it's going soo slow
[19:49] <cjohnston> czajkowski: hmm
[19:50] <pleia2> cjohnston: I'm a recovering perl addict who is still learning python, I'm probably a couple months away from a commit but I'm exploring my project options :)
[19:50] <cjohnston> we'd love to have you
[19:50] <pleia2> and I really, really want team reports popping out of the loco team portal, and I figure the only way that'll happen is if I do it
[19:51] <cjohnston> I got cprofitt his first bug fix the other day
[19:51] <czajkowski> cjohnston: edited but it was slow as hell
[19:51] <cjohnston> pleia2: that is probably true
[19:51] <cjohnston> czajkowski: it seems fine on my system
[19:51] <czajkowski> cjohnston: hmm
[19:51] <cjohnston> i really dont know
[19:51] <czajkowski> clicking links like past events takes about 20 seconds to load
[19:51] <czajkowski> every other page I open on the net is fine
[19:51] <czajkowski> just LTP is slow for me today at work and at hone
[19:51] <czajkowski> *home
[19:52] <czajkowski> I need to create Ubuntu hours for next year now
[19:52] <cjohnston> past events is going to be slow until we figure out a fix
[19:52] <cjohnston> we have two things that are going to help... but we need to seperate by year or something
[19:52] <czajkowski> whats the issue ?
[19:52] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[19:53] <cjohnston> db queries
[19:53] <cjohnston> trying to look up a gazillion events
[19:53] <czajkowski> wondering should I update Ubuntu hour to extend for another year
[19:53] <svwilliams> cjohnston, I'm at work right now ... I'll come up with something and maybe submit some images to the bug and we can go from there?
[19:53] <czajkowski> we have The Ubuntu Hour and Ubuntu hour as past events
[19:55] <cjohnston> czajkowski: we make a new one each year iirc
[19:55] <czajkowski> hmm ok
[19:56] <czajkowski> any reason why outta curioristy ?
[19:57] <cjohnston> to get yearly stats and so that we dont have gazillions of ubuntu hours on the page.. just one years worth
[19:57] <czajkowski> ok
[19:58] <cjohnston> the dont disappear from the page after the event happens like the regular /events/ page does
[19:58] <czajkowski> nods
[19:58] <czajkowski> grand
[19:58] <cjohnston> :-)
[19:59] <cjohnston> maybe name the new one Ubuntu Hour 2012 or something?
[20:02] <czajkowski> cjohnston: same issue again
[20:02] <czajkowski> just tried to create Ubuntu hour
[20:02] <czajkowski> clicked submit
[20:02] <czajkowski> and nada
[20:02] <czajkowski> :/
[20:02] <czajkowski> just having dinner
[20:02] <czajkowski> back in 20
[20:03] <cjohnston> k
[20:05] <cjohnston> czajkowski: log out please and then back in
[20:11] <czajkowski> cjohnston: ok
[20:13] <czajkowski> cjohnston: ahh that worked
[20:13] <czajkowski> what did you do
[20:13] <cjohnston> nothing
[20:20] <czajkowski> cjohnston: odd